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Nice to see my old pal the Dalai Lama in the news. His Holiness spoke at a conference titled “The Art of Happiness and Peace” in the city of Malmö, Sweden.

The event was hosted by a Swedish outfit named—please pardon my Swedish—Individuell Människohjälp, “IM” for short. I think the full Swedish name means “Individual Assistance.” It’s some kind of international do-gooder outfit which “now works in thirteen countries worldwide focussing on people’s right to education, good health and the ability to sustain a life in dignity.” Sounds very Swedish. I wonder if they take money from George Soros.

I shouldn’t be so reflexively sour and cynical, though—Heaven forbid! Jolly good luck to IM. Most to the point, they did give the Dalai Lama a platform to say something sensible.

I’ve always had a soft spot for this Dalai Lama. I met him once, 34 years ago, when he and I were both much younger (he is currently 83). He struck me as having just the right balance of humanity and gravitas that I’d want in a religious leader. Of course, a lot of what he said was bland religious-leader stuff about world peace and such. But nothing was plainly false or idiotic, and some was refreshingly honest.

Here for example is a thing he said, recorded in Tibet, Tibet: A Personal History of a Lost Land, Patrick French’s book about Tibet, concerning Westerners who take up Buddhism:

In the West, I do not think it advisable to follow Buddhism. Changing religions is not like changing professions. Excitement lessens over the years, and soon you are not excited, and then where are you? Homeless inside yourself.

If Tibetan Buddhism has a Marketing Department, that must have got them wailing and rending their garments. It’s true, though.

The Dalai Lama’s remarks in Malmö were similarly sensible. On the topic of Third-Worlders flooding into Europe uninvited, he said: “Receive them, help them, educate them … but ultimately they should develop their own country … I think Europe belongs to the Europeans …”[Dalai Lama: 'Europe belongs to the Europeans', AFP/The Local, September 13, 2018]

So, OK, he’s accepting the flim-flam about them being refugees, which hardly any of them actually are, and he presumably thinks they are penniless and desperate, when in fact they are mostly well-dressed middle-class types with cellphones who could afford to pay the people-smugglers.

He is also looking at the issue from his own point of view, as a genuine refugee. The Dalai Lama fled his homeland sixty years ago when Communist China asserted totalitarian control over the country. Since then he’s kept alive the dream of himself and his fellow exiles one day returning to a Free Tibet.

So, OK, there are qualifications to be made. Still the Dalai Lama said a sensible thing at the end there: “Europe belongs to the Europeans.” Yes, it does.

His saying that thing of course generated much gasping and sputtering among Goodthinkful Europeans. ['Europe Belongs to Europeans': Dalai Lama Stuns Swedish Public, Sputnik, September 14, 2018] A depressingly common response was, “Why don’t the Dalai Lama and his followers set an example by returning to their own country?” Answer: because they would, beyond a doubt, be tortured and killed by the ChiCom Gestapo. You really don’t need a Ph.D. in Far Eastern Studies to know that.

The Dalai Lama’s observation turned my thoughts to the sea change in the international order that’s occurred over my lifetime: the drift from pride to parasitism.

Case in point: Another remark that caused shrieking and wailing among Goodthinkers this week was President Trumps’ skepticism about an updated count of deaths from Hurricane Maria, which hit Puerto Rico in mid-September last year. The government of the place recorded 64 deaths. A few days ago, researchers at George Washington University published a report that estimated “there were 2,975 excess deaths in Puerto Rico due to Hurricane Maria between September 2017 and February 2018.”[GW Researchers: 2,975 Excess Deaths Linked to Hurricane Maria, August 29, 2018]

President Trump took it personally, tweet: “This was done by the Democrats in order to make me look as bad as possible when I was successfully raising billions of dollars to help rebuild Puerto Rico.”

That’s what ignited the shrieking and wailing. Hispanic supremacist Representative Luis Gutierrezcalled it “delusional” and predicted that Trump will respond more energetically to this week’s Hurricane Florence than he did to last year’s Hurricane Maria because Trump “has a golf club in North Carolina.” [Gutiérrez Responds To President On Puerto Rico Hurricane Deaths, September 13, 2018]

Whatever. Clinging as I am to the hope that Trump may actually do something to restore our national sovereignty, and believing as I do that Representative Luis Gutierrez is pond scum, I’ll take the President’s side on this one.

Mention of Puerto Rico, though, brings to my mind that great slow decades-long trend from pride to parasitism among the peoples of the Third World.

The trend is vivid to me because I’ve watched it across these decades, starting in my college years in England during the early 1960s.

Those were the last years of European colonialism. I knew some of the people whose countries had been colonized. I was at college with them: bright young guys from Africa and the Muslim world, on scholarships at my university. They were full of pride and hope for their new, newly-independent countries.

Now the white colonialists had gone home, they told me, talented locals like themselves would take over—become president of the national airline, the national bank, the national university. White-colonial supremacy would be replaced by local meritocracy. These black and Muslim classmates of mine couldn’t wait to get home and take up some high-level position in their new, proud, independent nations.

ORDER IT NOW

It’s embarrassing to look back on that from today. The pride and hope has all evaporated. Meritocracy never gained much of a market share in black or Muslim nations. The president of the national airline in Upper Bongalia is the nephew of some big political playah or gangster boss; nobody interested in actually learning anything attends the national university, which is just a make-work government program. The goal for any Third Worlder with anything on the ball is to get to some Western country—to Europe, North America, Australia.

Faith in the ability of these old colonial territories to govern themselves in any rational way has faded away across the decades I’ve been watching. Everybody out there in black Africa or Islamia wants to get to a country run by white Europeans. That’s why they’ve been crossing the Mediterranean, south to north, in the hundreds of thousands and millions.

The trend in the New World hasn’t been so clear, mainly because colonialism over here was less British and French, more Spanish, and Spain got out of the colonialism business long before the 1960s. In Puerto Rico Spain was replaced by the U.S.A., and in some of the Central American states like Guatemala there was a sort of unofficial commercial colonialism by U.S. corporations. Both things generated local resistance, and there were strong movements for national pride and independence through the early and middle 20th century, egged on by the U.S.S.R. through the Cold War, and actually victorious in Cuba and Nicaragua.

But now, as in the Old World, it’s all evaporated. The mood among Guatemalans, Puerto Ricans, and the rest is not one of pride, it’s one of parasitism. They don’t want to take charge of their own affairs in a spirit of pride and national independence; they want to break into, or be absorbed by, some prosperous First World welfare state.

In a referendum conducted last year, before Hurricane Maria, less than two percent of Puerto Ricans voted for independence—a lunatic fringe. (Pro-independence parties said they were boycotting the election.) [23% of Puerto Ricans Vote in Referendum, 97% of Them for Statehood, By Frances Robles, New York Times, June 11, 2017] The overwhelming majority of Puerto Ricans want the same thing that black Africans, Pakistanis, Iraqis, and other inhabitants of Old World colonialized territories want: they want to live in countries established by and run by white Europeans.

Taking the wide view, looking at humanity as a whole, this is nothing to be happy about. Pride is much more positive, more admirable, than parasitism. In a happy, harmonious world like the one the Dalai Lama dreams of and does his best to coax into being, distinct people—including Tibetans—would all have their own countries, under their own control, practicing rational government with proper respect for their own and others’ cultural traditions.

It’s really too bad that we don’t live in a world anything like that. Even worse: No world anything like that looks like coming into being any time soon.

Concluding thought: One of my favorite little useless historical factlets concerns Colonel Younghusband’s 1904 expedition to Tibet as a representative of the British government. The principal Tibetan government official Younghusband ended up negotiating a treaty with had the title “Chief Doctor of Divinity and Metaphysics.” (Pictured right.)

I have wondered, ever since reading that, whether perhaps we shouldn’t have a metaphysician at the topmost levels of our own governments here in the West.

The subject-matter of metaphysics, after all, is the nature of reality. The metaphysical theory currently dominant in the Western world, as illustrated by that last segment, is that reality is whatever makes us feel good.

Do we really want our societies to be run by people who believe that? Perhaps a little more metaphysical sophistication at the top wouldn’t hurt.

(Republished from VDare by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. sflicht says:

    I assume it should be metaphysicist not metaphysician, but perhaps I am wrong?

  2. DB Cooper says:

    The Dalai Lama is a fraud. Nothing holy about His Holiness. First off Tibetans never address their Rinpoche (the esteemed one) using the term “His Holiness”. This is distinctly non-Tibetan. The Dalai Lama make it like that for the consumption of the gullible Western audience to go along with his new age bull$hit. The guy is actually quite an a$$hole. Next time Mr. Derbyshire meet him I hope he will ask him about Unit 22. What about Unit 22? It is about sending teenage Tibetan orphanage to go to war for India against Pakistan. What kind of person will send underage orphanage to go to war for a country they have nothing to do with? An a$$hole! This is all in the Wikileaks but I am sure the Western media are not interested in reporting it. After all the Dalai Lama as a moral authority is a Western creation designed to beat up China. Nothing more than that. He is definitely not a geniune refugee. He is China’s Ahmed Chalabi. Remember that guy? The Iraqi Shiite the CIA funded in the early days of the second Gulf war? The Dalai Lama is in the CIA payroll as far back as in the 1950s until Trump cut the funding. This is not even controversial because the Dalai Lama has admitted it openly and reported in no less than the New York times. No refugee will get millions from the CIA. The Dalai Lama is not only an a$$hole but a liar. Even his personal friend Patrick French can’t stand him and has to call him out as such in the New York times:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/22/opinion/22french.html

    This whole Tibetan issue stinks to high heaven from the start. It start out when the British has an empire in South Asia and Tibet became the next logical territorial expansion so the British created/nurtured and support separatist groups and serendipitously bagged a leader of the largest religious sect (the Gelugpa sect, the Yellow Hat) as a separatist leader. Later when Britain no longer has an empire in South Asia it still found Tibet useful. This time to keep it in the boil as a bargaining chip in case the Chinese want to take back Hong Kong.

    https://orientalreview.org/2013/08/12/arms-and-the-elephant-i/

    So here is a short real history of whats going on between Tibet China, Britian and the US.

    • Replies: @Moi
    , @lulu
    , @lulu
    , @Escher
  3. anon[348] • Disclaimer says:

    Again the mindless support for Jeff Sessions. Why did Trump fire Comey? It was because he was urged on to do exactly that by Jew weasel Rod Rosenstein. Rosenstein wrote a letter to Trump urging him to fire Comey, then as soon as Trump did it, he immediately commissioned Robert Mueller to begin the special investigation. The timing of Mueller’s entry was almost immediately after Comey’s firing, signaling this was all pre-arranged. All that’s left to do was convincing Trump to do the firing. Rosenstein enlisted the help of naive fool Jared Kushner to help convince his father-in-law, who fell for the trap hook, line and sinker because the advice came from his golden boy son-in-law, at the time his closest confidante, who has since been rightly kicked to the curb.

    This Russian collusion investigation that Derbyshire and Ann Coulter so casually dismiss as “an investigation no one cares about” is actually hugely important and could end up getting Trump impeached. Mueller is basically given carte blanche to investigate anything and everything about Trump, not even just limited to the collusion. Sooner or later he will dig something up — like the Cohen indictment. Meanwhile, Rosenstein and the Deep State are using this investigation as leverage to squeeze everything they want out of Trump, esp. on foreign policy on Syria and Iran.

    I believe the op-ed in the NYT was written by either Nikki Haley or John Kelly, the only 2 top personnel who have not come out to deny involvement. Kelly and Pence have staffed the whole WH with RINOs. The whole MAGA agenda has been hijacked. Jeff Sessions is the only one who could’ve stepped up and stopped this takeover. His focus on immigration is pissing in the wind at this point. The elephant in the room is the Deep State. He needs to fire Rosenstein, Mueller and clean house in the DOJ, DHS, CIA and FBI, then go after the Clintons and bring down the entire DNC and Deep State. But he’s too much of a pussy and has fallen in with Pence and his crowd. Pence has been staging this soft coup since Day 1. Trump is royally fucked if the GOP loses the house in Nov. If they also lose the Senate, he’s as good as dead.

    Sessions is a big FAIL. Trump should’ve fired him when he wanted to a year ago.

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @RadicalCenter
  4. MBlanc46 says:

    I have been a constituent of Rep. Gutierrez for several years. Referring to him as pond scum is a grave insult to pond scum.

    • LOL: Z-man
    • Replies: @europeasant
  5. Patrick French (mentioned above as the author of Tibet, Tibet) wrote a very readable biography of Col. Francis Younghusband titled Younghusband: The Last Great Imperial Adventurer. I recommend it.

    • Replies: @Joe Wong
  6. Derbyshire, you’re one of the biggest parasites in the world. You imported yourself from England and then imported a Chinese woman to marry. Your barely mediocre Chinese offspring are nothing but trouble for the USA.

    VDare has held several fundraisers for you for several years because you don’t have any money. You worked on Wall Street. You most certainly did not pick-up any money-making tips while there. Surprising, since you bow down to Jews.

    So, it’s not just the mediocre Chinese woman who passed her mediocre genes to her offspring. You didn’t contribute anything either. You have no pride since keep you keep writing nonsense.

  7. Biff says:

    Faith in the ability of these old colonial territories to govern themselves in any rational way has faded away across the decades I’ve been watching.

    This sounds like NPR blaming the locals who can’t seem to elect the right people with ‘their’ interests at heart, while completing ignoring that when they do, and have in the past; that government is quickly disposed of by the CIA – Guatemala is a good example, but a better one would be Libya.
    Libya pre-2011 had the highest standard of living in all of Africa. Property rights and health care rivaled some western countries. The gold back dinar was driving western currencies out of North Africa, and western bankers just couldn’t tolerate it. Africa is made to be exploited, not to become a competitor. So the western pirates busted a very typical move, and now Libya is the largest conduit of Muslims to Europe.

    Everybody out there in black Africa or Islamia wants to get to a country run by white Europeans.

    If said country isn’t run by white Europeans, it is bombed until a vassal Government can be installed, or just broken up into little pieces so Israel can move in, in the name of security and stability. Well, the latter hasn’t happened yet, but stay tuned.

  8. Realist says:
    @anon

    Sessions is a big FAIL. Trump should’ve fired him when he wanted to a year ago.

    Trump should never have hired him. But then Trump is also a big fail, he is part of the Deep State. How else to explain Bolton and so many other Trump dumb ass appointments and actions or lack of?

    • Replies: @Realist
  9. A movie, 7 Years in Tibet was made about that country in the period just after WW II, starring Brad Pitt, with a large role for the Dalai Lama’s sister Jetsun Pema. Like her brother, she seems like a person of considerable charm and intelligence.

  10. anonymous[405] • Disclaimer says:

    Answer: because they would, beyond a doubt, be tortured and killed by the ChiCom Gestapo. You really don’t need a Ph.D. in Far Eastern Studies to know that.

    As long as they don’t advocate for separatism, they would be welcomed back to China.

    • Replies: @lulu
  11. anon[241] • Disclaimer says:

    And if the people of the Third World do not want to be governed by the great Western powers, they will have their economies ruined by embargoes and eventually suffer bombings and invasions, until the glorious Americans and Europeans can implant their perfect economic order. Stupid racists like Derbyshire pretend they do not see it.

  12. TheOldOne says:

    Pence is a typical Repuke; I think he is dumb enough to believe he will succeed Trump.

    He won’t.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  13. @Biff

    If said country isn’t run by white Europeans, it is bombed until a vassal Government can be installed

    Or as Tom Lehrer put it:

    For might makes right
    Until they’ve seen the light
    They’ve got to be protected
    All their rights respected
    Til somebody we like can be elected

  14. Anonymous[970] • Disclaimer says:
    @attilathehen

    You’re just some bitter childless harpy and Ellis Islander trash from the northeast.

  15. @anon

    It would indeed be very bad for Trump if the Democrats win both houses of Congress. And on balance, bad for the country too, IMHO.

    But doesn’t convicting and removing a president on an article of impeachment require a 2/3 vote of the Senate? Would that many Republicans defect?

  16. @Anonymous

    I might have sided with you until your needless, and foolish slur against the vast number of patriotic white Americans who owe our presence here to our “Ellis Islander trash” ancestors.

    I wish I knew how to tell you to screw off in all the European languages of my ancestors, but I’ll settle for English at the moment.

  17. @TheOldOne

    Agree, but only because the Dems likely won’t have much of a majority in the Senate from Jan. 2021 to Jan. 2023, and conviction on an article of impeachment requires the yes vote of 2/3 of the Senators.

    For all my disappointment with Trump thus far, I definitely prefer him staying in office over Pence or some other tool — Republican or Democrat — taking over.

  18. DB Cooper says:
    @Dana Thompson

    7 Years in Tibet is a Hollywood fantasy that is not grounded in reality. But that does not mean the main storyline of the movie did not happen. There is in fact a big country gobbled up a small Himalayan Buddhist kingdom in the last century. The big country is called India and the small country is called Sikkim. Hollywood should remake 7 Years in Tibet to 12 Years in Sikkim and replace the Austrian climber Heinrich Harrer to the American debutante Hope Cooke. Hope Cooke was married to the Sikkim king in a fairy tale marriage but the marriage was cut short when India brutally invaded and annexed Sikkim in 1975 and kept his husband in house arrest for the rest of his life. Hope Cooke is still alive. She can serve as the advisor to the movie. Free Sikkim!

    • Replies: @pyrrhus
    , @Malla
  19. pyrrhus says:
    @Biff

    Israel’s getting tense,
    Wants one in self defense,
    The Lord’s my shepherd, says the psalm,
    But just in case, we better get a bomb..

    From TWTWTW

  20. pyrrhus says:
    @DB Cooper

    But the book Seven Years in Tibet is very interesting…It came out in the early ’50s, before PC took over..

  21. DB Cooper says:
    @pyrrhus

    The movie is actually not bad. I actually like it even though it is a piece of propaganda nonsense. I haven’t read the book but the movie is certainly deceitful. For example the Dalai Lama is actually vice-chairman of the Chinese national congress (or something like that) until 1959 when he hooked up with the CIA and fled the country. But the movie conveys a sense that Tibet was a country that China invaded and annexed, although it never explicitly put it that way as far as I can remember. This is why I think Hollywood should make a sequel called 12 Years in Sikkim telling the life of Hope Cooke in Sikkim before she managed to escape back to the US when India start closing in. This time it will be real history dramatized of course for cinematography purpose. I think it will be a success. Here you have a love story, political intrigue, exotic location and an American connection.

    But before doing that Hollywood directors can consider making a movie called 10 Years in South Tibet. The background of the story is of course about India annexation of South Tibet. In 1951, four years after the British Raj has already left, India invaded and annexed South Tibet. South Tibet includes historic Tawang, birthplace of the Sixth Dalai Lama and home to a four hundred years old Tibetan monastery. In 1987 India renamed South Tibet to Arunachal Pradesh and make it a state. Since annexation India has bring its specialty to South Tibet, rape and gang rape, what else? For now I couldn’t think of any Western connection to South Tibet. But Hollywood can make up some composite characters of Tibetan girls being raped by Indian colonizers in South Tibet. And 10 Years in South Tibet will be about the plight of these Tibetan girls. Free South Tibet!

    • Replies: @Malla
  22. DB Cooper says:
    @pyrrhus

    By the way I don’t know when PC took over but destabilization of China’s Tibet traced all the way back to Younghusband in the early years of the last century.

    • Replies: @El Dato
  23. DB Cooper says:
    @pyrrhus

    Here should be the background story for 10 years in South Tibet

    https://www.news18.com/news/india/arunachal-pradesh-school-hostel-warden-arrested-for-raping-14-girls-634887.html

    The article:

    “A shocking case of rape of 14 minor girls allegedly by the hostel warden of a private school in Likabai in West Siang district of Arunachal Pradesh has come to light after a few students reported the matter to police. The rape of the girls in the age group of 4 to 13 for over three years has triggered protests with local residents, students and members from the civil society hitting the streets on Tuesday evening to protest against the crime. They also gheraoed the Likabali Police Station demanding capital punishment for the culprits.

    The incident came to light when a few students of the school on Tuesday managed to report the crime to the Likabali Police Station, police said in Itanagar on Wednesday. Vipin Wisvan, a non-Arunachalee teacher in the school, who also serves as the warden of the hostel, was arrested on Tuesday in this connection. The school principal and two other staff were also detained for interrogation. A case had been registered at the Likabali Police Station and an investigation was on, the police said. According to police, the molestation and rape of students were going on at the school for the last three years. After committing the offence, the accused had threatened the girls with dire consequences if they disclosed his act to the parents. It was alleged that when the matter was brought to the knowledge of the school principal by the students on Tuesday, the principal tried to hush up the matter. Then a few students mustered courage to scale the boundary wall and reported the matter at the police station. The Arunachal Law Students Union, Galo Students Union, All Galo Students Union condemned the incident and appealed to the authorities not to grant bail to the culprits. Other organisations too demanded harsh punishment to the offenders. “

  24. El Dato says:
    @DB Cooper

    But China either didn’t exist (i.e. was a warlord area being subjected to gunboat diplomacy), was Chiang’s China or was very occupied with the Japanese Sharknado, with the Commies looking on.

    So how could it be China’s Tibet?

    • Agree: Miggle
    • Replies: @DB Cooper
    , @Miggle
  25. anonymous[819] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s embarrassing to look back on that from today. The pride and hope has all evaporated. Meritocracy never gained much of a market share in black or Muslim nations.

    That is because the white racist mofing imperialists installed and still support the vilest of tyrants in all those black or Muslim nations… you white racist mf!!

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Patricus
  26. Jeff77450 says:

    If FEMA’s response to Florence is better than their response to Maria was last year then perhaps it’s because last year FEMA had three category-4 hurricanes to deal with in less than a month, the other two being Harvey and Irma. Another issue is that responding to a hurricane that hit’s the mainland is probably easier than one that hits an island where supplies can’t be trucked in.

  27. Truth says:
    @Biff

    Nothing I can add to this. Good job.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  28. Truth says:
    @Anonymous

    Well the Mayflower only had so many seats, Old Sport.

  29. As much as I appreciate Derbyshire thoughts and insight on all matters related to culture race and politics, I at times find find your statements highly glib and superficial. Especially as it related to international politics and the push and pull of global economic oligarchs and power politics.

    You insistent attack on refugees always baffles me, as if Ghaddafi bombed and killed himself along and than came back to life to destroy the rest of Libya and open the sea passage ways to Europe, as if those admittingly middle class Syrian, Iraqi Eritrean etc “refugees” that you disparate destroyed their own countries and than conspired with a resurrected Ghaddafi to get themselves into Europe. John, you must not be familiar with all the coups and attempted coups and assassination of hundreds off African and Arab leaders that have occurred from the pre-colonial, wars of liberation and post-colonial eras in that region of the world, assassinations which snuffed out leaders who tried to build their nations up. Only to be replaced by parasitic bloody despotic leaders put there by the real warlords in France, England and America, the IMF, World Bank etc. John, did you not read Diary of an economic hit man? Do you even know that Francophone Africa is still a colony of France and the French central bank still prints and controls that entire regions currency. That whenever leaders rose up to confront the mafia in Paris that controls francophone Africa and keeps it underdeveloped those leaders have been killed. Leaders such as Thomas Sankara in Burkina Faso only to be replaced by France with a dictator who ran that country for over 20 years. I challenge you to read the history of Cameroons fight for independence against France. France snuffed out the entire leadership of the anti-colonial movement in a variety of vicious assassinations which included beheadings and installed a dictator Biya who I believe is the longest ruling President in the world at around 39 years in power.

    I am sure you know about the assassination of Lumumba of Congo at the hands of the CIA and Belgium intelligence. Eisenhower’s last foreign policy act. I believe he was killed two days before JFK’s inauguration. I can go on, but I will stop there.

    Your ignorance on the vicious wolves who run the EU/England where you are from and Anglo-America where you reside is embarrassing. All of us on Unz are against this wave of refugees but your constant insistence on framing this epidemic in a way which personally disparaging refugees, as if they are the agents in this affair, instead of the Western warlords, who are using them to implement what Salvini called modern day slavery, truly discredits you in so many ways.

    • Agree: Biff
  30. DB Cooper says:
    @El Dato

    China either didn’t exist? Many of Qing’s emperor were Tibetan Buddhist. Qianlong emperor was a Tibetan Buddhist. Qianlong was famously dismissive of things foreign. Why would he be a Tibetan Buddhist if Tibet wasn’t part of China then.

    Here is a map made by the National Geograhic in 1912. You can see the whole of Tibet, including South Tibet and Tawang was part of China. South Tibet is currently occupied by India and renamed to the so called Arunachal Pradesh. By the way the Republic of China (aka Taiwan) also claims the whole of Tibet including South Tibet and Tawang to be part of Republic of China. In fact when India made South Tibet into a state and renamed it to the so called Arunachal Pradesh in 1987, the Nationalist government of Taiwan put out a statement vehemently protest such act and resolutely do not recognized India’s land grab.

    https://www.digitalcommonwealth.org/search/commonwealth:x633f939c

    • Replies: @Mactoul
    , @Miggle
  31. Pick an opening image where ‘independent’ is spelled correctly.

  32. So I guess your argument is “Let the Puerto Ricans die.”

    My god, are you vile.

  33. Changing religions is indeed like changing professions. Excitement lessens over the years, and soon you are not excited…

  34. Magnificent article. I just love it. Plain truth. (And gentle sarcasm.)
    Concerning the three thousand dead Porto Ricans.
    One grave should take about 2 sq meters. For walkways we should add 1 sq meter.
    3 times three thousand equals 900 sq meters.
    So I would believe in this fairy tale when I will see that new cemetery.
    Maybe we should send somebody from CNN to take pictures of that new cemetery.
    (Or maybe Porto Ricans do not bury their dead. Maybe they just throw them into ocean?)

  35. Mactoul says:
    @DB Cooper

    Is there any refugee flow from South Tibet to Tibet North?
    If not, why not?

    • Replies: @DB Cooper
  36. “All of us on Unz are against this wave of refugees but your constant insistence on framing this epidemic in a way which personally disparaging refugees”

    Most of the ‘refugees’ entering Europe are not refugees. They cannot be, since they don’t declare that status at the nearest safe country.

    Most of them are economic moochers and future rapists.

  37. Malla says:
    @anonymous

    That is because the white racist mofing imperialists installed and still support the vilest of tyrants in all those black or Muslim nations

    Nonsense. It is the elites and their pet commie/third world nationalist ‘revolutionaries’ who are behind all this. The same elites destroyed the European colonial Empires too.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  38. Why does Derb allege that Iraqis “want to be ruled by whites”? That’s absolute nonsense. Ditto on most of the North African countries that the West has intermittently invaded, colonized and dominated.

    Furthermore, most native North Africans and Middle Easterners–including Iraqis–are IN FACT white (Caucasoid). This includes Iranians (Persians) and Arabs.

    Derb doesn’t know this?

    Derb needs to go back to college.

    Derb makes no distinction between the Middle East, North Africa, and Sub-Saharan Africa.

    How come?

    Significantly, it is (black) sub-Saharan Africa that is not Caucasoid and most dysfunctional. Sub-Sahara Africa is Negroid and, interestingly, majority Christian–like virtually all of dysfunctional Latin America (including Mexico).

    So the problem (and solution) is not about religion. So please quit prevaricating.

    It’s time for Derb to give his anti-Muslim jingoism a rest. After all, it was the ‘Judeo-Christian’ West that went in an ‘preemptively’ ANNIHILATED Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan (ongoing), Palestine, and Syria. The invaders were Caucasoid peoples and most of the victims were Caucasoid (and Muslim) peoples. These are the facts.

    The bloodthirst invaders were Christian and Zionized whites. The architects were disproportionately Jewish or under Zionist supervision. These facts deserves attention. But Derb ignores them.

    Does Derb watch a lot of TV? It sure smells that way. How could he be so wrong?

    Why do pundits (including Derb) incessantly treat a philosophy and religion (Islam) as if it’s a race? Islam is definitely is not a race. Only Judaism (Israel) has a race test. Get a clue, Derb.

    But Derb never dares touch the Jewish angle in much of anything. This makes him a strategic liar as well as a COWARD.

    Derb also prevaricates when he claims that “these black and Muslim classmates of mine couldn’t wait to get home and take up some high-level position in their new, proud, independent nations.” Why does Derb not mention ‘black Christians’?

    I’m not here to bash Christians, but Derb’s needless conflation of race and religion is distracting as well as misleading.

    So please get off your Muslim-hating BS, Derb. Christianity–not Islam–is the majority religion in post-colonial countries such as So. Africa, Zimbabwe, Kenya and Nigeria. Quit blaming ‘Muslims’. These ‘black Christians’ have fled their countries because they were strategically destroyed by Zio-Washington.

    On the other hand, black Africans (mostly Christian) are fleeing their dysfunctional nations and heading into the white West because they, in general, are incapable of self-rule or economic development. So please stop bashing Muslims, Mr. Derbyshire. They’re here because our bombs went there.

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @Anon
    , @Malla
  39. @conceptpolitico

    I’ve known Syrian and Libyan middle-class people in Dubai and they don’t rape 12 year old boys in a swimming pool or have some gang rape in public.

    The Arabs coming to Europe are not middle-class.

    As for the Africans, theirs is TSAB-Typical Sub-Saharan Behavior of males. They’re a LITTLE better than African-Americans because they did not grow up in the worst sort of ghetto environments and start smoking crack at 12 but the hypersexual behavior and higher metabolic rate that drives their own impulsiveness is there.

    There is some irony in that the countries that went after Libya and Iraq-the US and UK-are safely isolated by water and Arabs and Blacks have yet to be able to sail across the Atlantic.

    And in point of fact the same US government that has told Germany and Scandinavia to somehow situate smelly hulking African males and hairy ominous young Arab men who will rape and steal would order its Coast Guard to intercept a vessel coming into US waters or even possibly fire a torpedo into the vessel.

    Jews in the US are aware-if they are clever enough to have transformed the average white American in the Flyover into an Oxy-gobbling porn-addicted whigger-that the Jews in France have basically been porgromed out of the country. The same is sort of happening in UK.

    And Jewish Americans have to good of a gig to really want millions of Muslims imported to the US who will doubtlessly settle in the same urban areas as Jews as oppose to the wilds of Idaho and soon begin blowing Brooklynites away in their Kosher Supermarkets.

    Here’s another irony. The Chicanos and Cubans won’t want it at all. They too would side with Jews and Anglo-Saxons to lobby against the unrestricted flow of Muslim Arabs and Africans into the United States.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @RadicalCenter
  40. Malla says:
    @DB Cooper

    Tibetan Lama Buddhism/ Vajrayana Tantra Buddhism is in many ways extremely close to corrupt Puranic Hinduism compared to the other major schools of Buddhism (Theravada, Mahayana schools like Zen etc..). Tibet is quite close to the Gangetic plains, the stronghold of Puranic Hinduism (the Hinduism prevalent now as against the much much older Aryan Vedic Hinduism). Many negative elements of Brahmanism and Tantra have entered Tibetan Buddhism. Come to think of it, even before Lama Buddhism made its way to Tibet, Tibet’s native Bon pagan religion had influenced Puranic Hinduism (Lord Shiva and Mount Kailash) in it’s formative phase and there have been many a philosophical and spiritual influence both directions in between Tibet on one hand and the Gangetic plains of India and Bengal on the other, throughout the centuries. Some of these negative influences from Brahmanism and Tantra include the guru disciple phenomenon which can be easily abused as well as a caste like elitist and manipulative Judaeo Brahmanic mindset. That is why many Tibetan Buddhist cults and Lamas face accusations similar to slimey perverted Hindu Gurus in the west.
    I am not saying that there are no positive things in Vijrayana and Mahayana Buddhism, there definitely are. Great philosophy and meditation techniques etc…. It is just that, compared to Theravada Buddhism, Mahayana Buddhism up to some extent and Vijrayana Buddhism up to a greater extent have been corrupted by Satanic Brahmanical and Tantric elements of Puranic Hinduism and thus they have deviated partially from the original message of Lord Buddha. Thus steps need to be taken to remove these negative Satanic Puranic Hindu elements from Vijrayana and Mahayana Buddhism without discarding these sects all together as there are many good positive elements in them too.

    From

    https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2008/09/10/brahmin-deception-through-dalai-lama-part-1/

    But the most cunning race on earth, the Brahmins infiltrated Buddhism and destroyed it in India. Adi Shankaracharya, the wily Brahmin pygmy priest destroyed Buddhism with the help of kings like Pushyamitra Sunga. The Brahmins destroyed the Buddha Viharas and converted the Buddhist Idols into Hindu gods. They made the great humanist Buddha into the ninth avatar of the inhuman Vishnu. The Brahmins are excellent fiction writers and their fictions are called Puranas. They have enslaved the people of India using these fictions.
    What was once a humanitarian Buddhist country became the inhuman casteist India.”
    …snip…
    The Brahmins have a tradition called ‘Purva Paksha’, that is study the enemy well before attacking. These pseudo Buddhists like Kosambi are the people who studied Buddhism so that Brahmins can strategize against the enemies. Babasaheb [Ambedkar, the leaders of the lower caste Dalits and the person who wrote the Constitution of India] who understood the filthy Brahmin mind and strategies more than anyone else, had studied Buddhism for twenty years before converting to the religion at the historic Nagpur ceremony in 1956. The Brahmins as usual had an eye on this conversion. They sniffed this threat.”
    …snip…
    “At the same time as Babasaheb [Ambedkar the leader of lower caste Indians, converted to Buddhism as a revolt against Puranic Hinduism or basically Brahmanism ] converted to Buddhism the Tibetian tyrant Dalai Lama was being kicked out by the Chinese. The Chinese were in the process of liberating the Tibetians from the tyranny of the monkhood of the corrupt lotus eating Lamas, which is no different from the Brahmin religious institutions of Shankaracharaya, Swami Narayana or the Veershaivas. The only difference is in the rituals and these monks do not even understand the basics of the Buddha’s teaching which is Humanistic Rationalism. The monks had exploited the toiling Tibetian masses, the dalits of Tibet for centuries through the rule of Dalai Lama and the corrupt regents. The Dalai Lama finally bundled his loot and transferred his money to Swiss banks and escaped to India with the help of the Brahmin Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru, the first prime minister of India . The Hindu Brahmins were waiting in 1959 at the Indo-Tibet border to welcome Dalai Lama. Nehru’s trusted friend the playboy prince of Oundh, Apa Panth was incharge of this operation.
    The Dalai Lama was recognized by all the major Brahmins in India as a great religious leader. No wonder Dalai Lama has no problem sharing the podium with the Brahmin leaders. These Tibetian lamas and Hindu Gurus worked together to counter the Ambedkar Buddhists. Dalai Lama has refused to associate himself with Navayana Buddhism of Ambedkar because his whole superstitious worldview and serfdom will collapse. Now Dalai Lama is featured in playboy magazines with Hollywood stars. He has a huge collection of gold watches and jewelry. He has brought huge tracts of land in France and has funded grape farming for the local wineries in Europe. He is no friend of the Dalits but a Brahmin stooge who visits all brahmin ashrams like Ramanashram, Osho Commune or Kanchi Kamakoti peetam or the art of decieving guru Sri Sri Ravishankar.”

    • Replies: @DB Cooper
  41. Mr. Brown says:

    “23% of Puerto Ricans Vote in Referendum, 97% of Them for Statehood, ” ONLY 23 % voted in Referendum, which means that the Referendum was useless or let´s put it different, 75 % of Puerto Ricans do not want to be a US state.

    • Replies: @prusmc
  42. Miggle says:
    @El Dato

    Right. China’s annexation and sending Han swarming in disgusts me.

    But if Israel didn’t exist and hadn’t been given the absolute right to launch wars of aggression with impunity whenever it felt like it, no such example would have been available for China to follow, no prior vindication of whatever China wanted to do, so Tibet would be independent today.

    So something disgusts me more.

  43. Saying you should’n’t be a buddhist because it’s not Western is absurd, like saying that you should’nt believe in relativity theory because it’s Jewish. These are matters of truth and falsity, or they should be at least, and taking an ‘ethnic’ attitude to them is just silly.

  44. Miggle says:
    @DB Cooper

    A 1912 map showing that China claimed Tibet back then proves nothing. Give us the words of Tibetans in 1912 on the subject.

    China’s claim seems to be based on the fact that centuries earlier China had become part of the Mongolian empire, of which Tibet was also a part.

    But Tibetans were much closer to the Mongols in every way, racial and religious. That China was conquered by the Mongols didn’t give China any right to Tibet.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  45. Deschutes says:
    @attilathehen

    Nice post, couldn’t have said it better. Derbyshire sucks. Angry reactionary white boy bitching and whining blaming blacks, reds, yellows etc for his own miserable failings.

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @RadicalCenter
  46. Deschutes says:

    Hi Mister Derbyshire,

    Just a quick note to let you know your articles suck.

    Leaving you to your bitching, whingeing, and blaming non-whites for all your problems,

    DM

  47. @sflicht

    Metaphysician is the correct construction.

  48. Malla says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Here’s another irony. The Chicanos and Cubans won’t want it at all. They too would side with Jews and Anglo-Saxons to lobby against the unrestricted flow of Muslim Arabs and Africans into the United States.

    Some non Whites have been primed up with so much irrational hatred for YT that they would support the entry of any non White tribe in their war against YT. But things do not always turn out that way. Hispanics coming to the USA has been very bad for blacks and Hispanics are wiping them off California. Asian muslims gangs fight black gangs in UK. Muslim Asians and Gypsies hating each other in the UK.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  49. Malla says:
    @DB Cooper

    Since annexation India has bring its specialty to South Tibet, rape and gang rape, what else?

    Oy Vey!!! Smelly hairy Caucasoid Australoid desi guys around cute Mongoloid Tibetic girls. I can smell rapes and horniness already.
    Same as like smelly hairy African and Arab guys around European women.

  50. @Dana Thompson

    Based on
    Heinrich Harrer, ‘Zeven jaar in Tibet, Mijn leven aan het hof van de Dalai Lama’, 1987, 1998, Amsterdam/ Antwerpen (Sieben Jahre in Tibet, mein Leben am Hofe des Dalai Lama, Wien 1952, 1996 Frankfurt am Main)
    The Dalai Lama is described as a curious intelligent boy.
    Harrer was a German, held in a British concentration camp in N India.
    He escaped with a fellow German, both were expirienced mountaineers, he lived for seven years in Tibet.
    The book however romantices life in Tibet, the monasteries keeping the population poor, as the catholic church did, a lot of money was needed for escaping hell.
    L. Austine Waddell, ‘Lhasa and its mysteries, With a record of the British Tibetan Expedition of 1903-1904’, New York, 1905, 1988
    L. Austine Waddell, ‘Tibetan Buddism, With its Mystic Cults, Symbolism and Mythology’, New York 1972, (London 1895)

  51. Black Africa indeed seems to be more and more a disaster, S Africa killing ad expelling th whites who ran the country.
    Uganda expelled the Indians, the country deteriorated.

    However, if Islamic countries cannot rule themselves, open to discussion.
    If Iraq, Lybia, Syria, were or are Islamic countries, also open to discussion, the leaders were not or hardly Muslims.
    But who lived in these countries, and accepted the dictators, was better off than today.
    The mentioned countries are clan, tribe, extended family countries, in such countries, in my opinion, democracy is impossible.

    Then Iran, a Muslim country ran by Muslims, since 1979.
    How Iran would have fared without the USA trying to subjugate Iran again, speculation.
    The Muslim clergy is widely accused of enriching themselves, there is little doubt that they do.
    However, the west already three times destroyed Iranian democracy, 1911, in WWII, and in 1953.

    I wonder which Islamic countries, that is, ran by Muslims, exist, except Iran.
    Egypt a good example, the Islamic president began reforms, the army, paid by the USA, removed him.
    Indonesia, Muslims have hardly any influence in the country with the largest number of Muslims.

  52. @attilathehen

    He probably earned a better salary than your male relatives and paid more into the tax system as a result.

    The reason he married a Chinese women is that she gave him the p*ssy. Now you cannot blame the man for that.

    His wife was vetted through the immigration process legally.

  53. @Malla

    I think Brahmin are the best example of that. They seemed to somehow maintain their cast superiority by being clerks in the British Ray.

    • Replies: @Malla
  54. Anonymous[183] • Disclaimer says:
    @attilathehen

    Did you stop worshiping the imported Asian savior Jewsus?

    “We worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews.” John 4:22

    No European ever needed an Asian savior.

    And you’re too much of a pussy to defend your Asian faith.

    • Replies: @Joe Wong
    , @RadicalCenter
  55. Europe for the Europeans. Great idea. It would be nice if Americans accepted that principle and stopped trying to tell us how to run our countries. I have always assumed that the people paying the smugglers and supplying the refugees with fancy cellphones were part of the US anti-EU faction, who see the refugees as a way of “drowning” European culture. . By the way, Puerto Rico isn’t the only Caribbean island that isn’t independent! The US also has the Virgin Islands and Britain, France and the Netherlands still have three or four islands each.

  56. @Truth

    Dubai was not a mess. Bahamas is no worse than Sicily.

  57. @Miggle

    Uh…Tibetan princes went to the Ming court to renew their titles and were granted titles from the Ming court, which was not at all Mongol. At any rate, China militarily occupied Tibet by 1720.

    Arguments for Tibetian independence are tortured at best. Not even the Tibetians in China want independence at this point.

  58. @Anonymous

    She is probably not from the Northeast.

    The coarse mien and blaring parochialism is rural or exurban and Midwestern, maybe. Or Southern.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  59. Tibet doesn’t belong to China but it’s entirely possible that the Yellow Kingdom may belong to Tibet, i.e. to the Mongols. Of course, the Dalai Lama is the least of China’s problems knowing that it is only matter of time before the U.S. gets ready to pounce on the wannabe hegemon, thus the sideshow about his ‘holiness!’

    • Replies: @Malla
  60. prusmc says: • Website
    @Mr. Brown

    This article is a hodge podge of random thoughts that may be in part true but they fit no pattern. It isn’t unusual for an Unz comment thread to stray off course and “cover the waterfront”of ideas and opinions, but to wander aimlessly around the main topic only stimulates an off topic commentary.

    I wish writers, not just Derb, would pick a subject and stay with it. That being said, how about a real, in depth analysis and synthesis of the situation with and in Puerto Rico?
    Most reports are either pathetic stories of a poor and exploited underclass. These victims can only be up-lifted by repudiating a 70 billion debt now. Then passing a Senate proposal for 138 billion proposal to rebuild all aspects of the economic social structure. On the other hand much discussion is framed in remarks about welfare parasites.

    Add to that the idea popular in the island of a “blood tax or debt ” because Puerto Ricans served in wars and sustained casualties. This is offered as an obligation demanding endless redress. Rational discussion is difficult or more likely umpossible.

  61. “In the West, I do not think it advisable to follow Buddhism. Changing religions is not like changing professions. Excitement lessens over the years, and soon you are not excited, and then where are you? Homeless inside yourself.”

    This is a very interesting thought, and probably good advice. Though very admirable in many ways, Buddhism is as alien to Whites as Hinduism. And though we’ve been immersed in it for a thousand years or so, semitic desert religions like Christianity are as alien too, on a deeper spiritual level.

    Spiritually inclined Whites should explore their own native, Pagan religions. They do at least come naturally to us and connect us to our own past, rather than those of alien peoples like Arabs and Tibetans.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
  62. @obwandiyag

    “So I guess your argument is “Let the Puerto Ricans die.” “

    Isn’t saying that they would die without the White man taking care of them kind of admitting that they’re incapable of looking after themselves, like infants? Which would thus prove his main point; that most black and brown people really are parasites.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  63. Malla says:
    @Biff

    So the western pirates busted a very typical move, and now Libya is the largest conduit of Muslims to Europe.

    Those Western pirates were Jews, marannos and shabbas goys. Gadaffi was attacked on the Jewish holiday of Purim for a reason.

    Gadaffi was attacked on Purim, Saddam was attacked on the Jewish festival of Purim, the German National Socialists (Nazis) after the Nurenberg Kangaroo Court trials were hanged on Purim. Julius Streicher on knowing the date of his hanging excliamed ‘This is a Purim fest’.

    From

    http://survincity.com/2010/07/sarkozy-gaddafi-and-purim/

    Sarkozy, Gaddafi and Purim

    “In 2009, during the Extraordinary Summit of the African Union, Muammar Gaddafi said that “all military conflicts on the African continent is Israel”
    AFP notes that Gaddafi has repeatedly issued strident anti-Israeli statements, in particular, it offered to all member countries of the African Union to break off diplomatic relations with Israel, because, according to Gaddafi, the Israeli authorities are nothing more than a “gang.”

    “Or look at Purim. We celebrate nothing more than a mass killing of tens of thousands of men, women and children, which we did not like.
    But Haman was executed eleven months before Purim, so that the threat is long past. No, we’re just celebrating the massacre of enemies, rather than just getting rid ”

    So the slaughter of Gaddafi during the Jewish holiday with a very bright light of the moon looks very symbolic. You could even call this ritual slaughter.

    Incidentally, the U.S. attack on Iraq in 2003, also took place during this Jewish holiday.”

    You are blaming the wrong people but I guess brown blacks will always hate YT, it is our mental disease.

  64. @pyrrhus

    I still have my (actually my late father’s) hardcover copy with photos and somewhat tattered dust-jacket. Much of the later movie dollars, euros, etc. was filmed near the Argentine village of Uspallata and the village brings in quite a few tourist dollars, euros, etc. owing to that connection. The book is well worth reading and the movie is, well, bearable with good scenery.

  65. Truth says:
    @mark green

    But Derb never dares touch the Jewish angle in much of anything. This makes him a strategic liar as well as a COWARD.

    That sound like a challenge if I ever heard one Derby.

  66. Malla says:
    @Johnny Smoggins

    Though very admirable in many ways, Buddhism is as alien to Whites as Hinduism.

    Except that Lord Buddha most probably himself was a YT.

    Buddha is called Sakyamuni, Sakya or Sacas from the Scythians amd Muni means sage/hermit.

    Scythians were blond/red haired blue eyed White people
    FROM

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythians

    “In artworks, the Scythians are portrayed exhibiting European traits.[128] In Histories, the 5th-century Greek historian Herodotus describes the Budini of Scythia as red-haired and grey-eyed.[128] In the 5th century BC, Greek physician Hippocrates argued that the Scythians have purron (ruddy) skin.[128][129] In the 3rd century BC, the Greek poet Callimachus described the Arismapes (Arimaspi) of Scythia as fair-haired.[128][130] The 2nd century BC Han Chinese envoy Zhang Qian described the Sai (Scythians) as having yellow (probably meaning hazel or green), and blue eyes.[128] In Natural History, the 1st century AD Roman author Pliny the Elder characterizes the Seres, sometimes identified as Iranians (Scythians) or Tocharians, as red-haired and blue-eyed.[128][131] In the late 2nd century AD, the Christian theologian Clement of Alexandria says that the Scythians are fair-haired.[128][132] The 2nd century Greek philosopher Polemon includes the Scythians among the northern peoples characterized by red hair and blue-grey eyes.[128] In the late 2nd or early 3rd century AD, the Greek physician Galen declares that Sarmatians, Scythians and other northern peoples have reddish hair.[128][133] The fourth-century Roman historian Ammianus Marcellinus wrote that the Alans, a people closely related to the Scythians, were tall, blond and light-eyed.[134] The 4th century bishop of Nyssa Gregory of Nyssa wrote that the Scythians were fair skinned and blond haired.[135] The 5th-century physician Adamantius, who often follow Polemon, describes the Scythians are fair-haired.”

    and some of them ruled India and settled in India as royal Kshatriyas

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Scythians

    Physical characteristics of the Buddha

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_characteristics_of_the_Buddha

    Characteristics 29: Deep Blue Eyes

    You will get more details about it here

    http://thaimangoes.blogspot.in/2009/08/h9.html

    • Replies: @Allan
  67. Malla says:
    @Johnny Smoggins

    Euros could have a closer look at Zoroastrian philosophy as it close to the Aryan soul and does not have the self hate ‘born a sinner’ mentality of Christianity. Christianity has good things in it but it is hard to remove the Semitic crap at it’s core.

    https://authenticgathazoroastrianism.org/2016/08/04/immortality-and-the-eternal-quest-for-excellence/

    From

    https://authenticgathazoroastrianism.org/2013/01/03/is-god-the-mirror-image-of-man-in-zoroastrianism/

    “When the great philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche says; Mortal Man is a rope, tied between beast and a superb power—a bridge over an abyss … what is great in mortal man is that he is a bridge and not an end ….He very accurately summarizes the position of the ancient Aryan seer/prophet on mankind, for what Zarathúshtrá teaches is an Evolutionary Philosophy. The evolving mind/spirit of man must overcome his limitations and embark on a fascinating journey culminating in a far more superior mind/spirit.”

    https://authenticgathazoroastrianism.org/2013/08/12/the-poetic-gathas-according-and-will-to-become-godlike/

    “Here the self of one’s own person (ahyá) is identified with godhood or the power to become godlike (ahü.) It is a marvelous journey of empowerment, an odyssey in which the evolving self is vested with ever more virtues and powers (vástárem) and thereby becomes endlessly better and ever more wonderful (vahyö.)
    We also read in the Vársht-mánßar commentary of the Haptán or Seven songs in verse 4: What the adorable Gd wants from the creation is “the perfection of self” and what the adorable Gd gives to the creation is that which is ever better and more amazing.
    For according to Yasna 33.10, 2nd rhymed verse line; Mazda is all the knowledge, all the powers, all the new and unknown splendors and horizons that have yet to be. (yávß-chá mazdá bavaiñtí)”

    That is an Aryan religion right there. No wonder Friedrich Nietzsche chose Zoaraster to deliver his message of superman. To be honourable, beautiful, strong etc… is good and godly and to be dishonourable etc… is bad. No White guilt for being better and excessive self sacrifice as in Christianity.
    This religion is Aryanism concentrated and can be easily adopted by the European mind and soul. Similarities in between Aryan Persian Zoroastrianism and the pagan European religions (Greco Roman, Germanic/Norse, Celtic, Slavic, Dacian, Baltic etc…) of old as well as ancient Vedic religion in ancient India.

    https://authenticgathazoroastrianism.org/2016/10/17/moslem-designation-of-the-vikings-as-majus-or-heathen-zoroastrians-and-the-maga-fellowship-of-zarathustra/

    Moslem designation of the Vikings as Majus or heathen Zoroastrians, and the Maga fellowship of Zarathustra

    https://authenticgathazoroastrianism.org/2017/03/06/frya-or-love-in-the-gathas-old-norse-freya-and-frigg/

    Frya or love in the gathas, Old Norse Freya and Frigg

    https://authenticgathazoroastrianism.org/2011/10/17/ayathrima-the-last-autumnal-thanksgiving-festival-and-celtic-samhain/

    Ayáthrimá, the last autumnal thanksgiving festival and Celtic Samhain

    https://authenticgathazoroastrianism.org/2014/12/10/the-shining-twin-yima-vedic-yama-and-old-norse-ymir/

    The shining Twin Yima, Vedic Yama and Old Norse Ymir

    https://authenticgathazoroastrianism.org/2016/07/13/avestan-airyaman-irmin-got-as-a-name-of-odin-and-the-irish-eremon/

    Avestan Airyaman, Irmin-got as a name of Odin and the Irish Éremón

    • Replies: @Malla
  68. Yee says:

    Mactoul,

    “Is there any refugee flow from South Tibet to Tibet North?
    If not, why not?”

    Because South Tibet is a valley area south of the Himalayas, it’s lower altitudes and has always been the population center. People usually don’t move into rural snowy mountains.

    South Tibet locates next to Bhutan, which is next to Sikkim, which is next to Nepal. None of these places belong to India, all of which India wants to annex.

    At the middle of the map, from left to right: Nepal (green), Sikkim(purple), Bhutan (green), South Tibet(yellow). The little red spot between Sikkim and Bhutan belongs to China.

    • Replies: @Malla
  69. Anon[436] • Disclaimer says:
    @mark green

    You must have some mental disability to take time to spout sll that verbiage after starting it in a way which total undermines the persusiveness of anything you say. I refer to the faxt that Derb didn’t write that Iraqis “want to be ruled by whites”. Why do you write something important to your case that is demonstrably false? Are you so stupid that you don’t even know how easily and quickly your falsehood can be found out?

    He merely noted the large number of non-Europeans seeking admission to countries which owe what they are to Europeans. Are you too stupid the see the distinction?

  70. Malla says:
    @Yee

    None of these places belong to India, all of which India wants to annex.

    Except that Sikkim is already annexed by India in a sneaky way. India used the Hindu Nepali majority as proxies and the rivalry in between the Kazi and the Buddhist Chogyal (King) Palden Thondup Namgyal to engineer a ‘popular movement’ against the King to annex an independent Kingdom of Sikkim into India. And yet Indians bleat and bray about the evul British colonialism. How hypocritical is that? I thot only evul YT does things like this, that is what Jew/commie media tells me.
    The King of Sikkim was warned about these sneaky Indian plans (directed by the then Indian Prime Minister Indira Gandhi) by the King of Nepal but the Sikkimese King did not believe that a democratic brown darky India who sees herself the leader of anti colonialism could not do something like this. Besides he was a honourary general in the Indian Army. And he was wrong.
    Indeed if the Kingdom of Bhutan had not attained UN recognition, Bhutan would have met the same fate. There were fingerprints of India’s external spy agency RAW in this “revolution”. The RAW was trained by the CIA, so I guess they learnt the sinister Jewish freemasonic techniques of formenting “people’s revolutions” behind the scenes to attain certain objectives and thus look innocent and hidden in history books.

    An Indian official wrote a book about it

    A review of the book from

    https://www.dailypioneer.com/2014/book-reviews/the-smash-and-grab-story.html

    “Those of us who have grown up reading and believing that the integration of Sikkim into the Indian Union had been driven by an overwhelming desire of its people to join this country, will be rudely jolted by Sunanda K Datta-Ray’s narrative in Smash and Grab: Annexation of Sikkim. In what is perhaps the most authentic account of the historic event, the author proceeds to smash the long-held perception of a benign New Delhi stepping in to offer ‘relief’ to the ‘suffering’ people of Sikkim, and grab the reality which the authorities have carefully hidden behind the curtains since the “annexation” — this is what Datta-Ray unapologetically terms the manner in which Sikkim was taken into the Indian fold — happened in April 1975.
    His sensational narrative had come into the open barely 10 years after the monumental event, but the book had mysteriously disappeared from the market. It is widely believed that the Indian establishment had moved swiftly to ensure that nobody — or only the least number of people — got to read the truth. The recent arrival of the book, now in a revised version, was therefore more of a re-release, in the hope that this time around Smash and Grab will remain accessible to the public at large.”
    One can read the book here

    https://archive.org/download/in.ernet.dli.2015.131331/2015.131331.Smash-And-Grab-Annexation-Of-Sikkim.pdf

    • Replies: @lulu
  71. Alfa158 says:

    Yes, that’s exactly what he’s saying but he, perhaps inadvertently, is raising an important point.
    I support Mr Derbyshire’s policy of what might be called Benign Indifference, but we have to be clear-eyed about the consequences. Many of these countries are racially and culturally incapable of sustaining their exploding populations on their own. They are propped up by combinations of:
    - First world aid and philanthropy.
    - Peacekeeping functions.
    - Imported medicine, agricultural machinery and fertilizers, and technology in general.
    - Emigration to White countries and remittances back home.
    - Income derived from First World entities extracting their natural resources and paying for them.
    - First World creation of infrastructure to support this resource extraction.
    - Corporate scale export agriculture and sweatshop manufacturing.
    Mr. Obwandiyag appears by his name to be African, so he understands that a policy of Benign Indifference, in the case of many countries, would not lead to a “happy, harmonious” Wakanda-like state, but Malthusian collapse back into the original hunter/gatherer/small plot agriculture tribal societies. They might be stable, self-sustaining, carbon neutral societies, and the wildlife would breathe a sigh of relief, but we have to face the reality that hundreds of millions would die in the re-adjustment.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  72. Numinous says:

    I suppose John Derbyshire’s English ancestors were parasites too and had no pride in Mother England, back during the colonial era when they spread out from their small islands to the newly discovered continents?

    What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
  73. Malla says:
    @mark green

    Great post Mark, except that even though I admire certain things about Islam (Islamic Justice, philosophy written by great Islamic scholars etc…), Islam has some problems in the post Industrial Revolution World.

    From Islam and the Psychology of the Musulman, authored by Andre Servier
    Chapter 14

    http://musulmanbook.blogspot.com/2005/11/ch-xiv-14-mind-of-musulman.html

    “FROM the point at which we have arrived in this essay, it is not impossible to understand and to explain the psychology of the Arab, and consequently of the Muslim. For the Muslim, whoever he may be, subjected for centuries to the religious law, in itself an expression of the Arab mind, has received so deep an impression from it as to have become totally Arabized. To understand the psychology of the Arab, the mechanism of his brain, is by the same token to account for the psychology of any given Muslim. The African Berber thinks on the same lines, and acts on the same lines as the Syrian, the Turk, the Persian, the Cossack, or the native of Java. All these people being Islamized think and behave as the Arab does.

    The religious law, of Arab inspiration, that has been imposed upon the Muslim world, has had the effect of imparting to the very diverse individuals, of whom that world is composed, a unity of thought, of feeling, of conceptions, and of judgment. The scale that has served to measure this thought, these feelings, etc., is an Arab scale; and consequently the minds of all Muslims have been leveled down to the stature of the Arab mind.

    The chief characteristic of the Arab, and therefore of the Muslim, is a fixed belief in his own intellectual superiority. Incapable as he is, through the barrenness of his mind and the poverty of his imagination, of conceiving any other condition than his own, any other mode of thought, he firmly believes that he has arrived at an unequaled pitch of perfection; that he is the sole possessor of the true faith, of the true doctrine, the true wisdom; that he alone is in possession of the truth, no relative truth subject to revision, but truth intangible, imperfectible [which cannot be corrupted] — absolute Truth.”

    …snip….

    This conviction, which nothing can weaken, inspires the Muslim with an inalienable attachment to his traditions. Outside Islam there can be no safety; outside its law, no truth, no happiness. The evolution of foreign nations, the increasing accumulations of their knowledge, scientific progress, the improvements effected by human effort in material well-being leave him indifferent. He is the Believer, par excellence, the superior, the perfect Being.

    This conception, as has been truly remarked, (2) divides the world into two parts: Believers and Infidels. The Believer is in a state of perpetual war with the Infidel, and this right, this duty of eternal war can only be suspended: “Make war,” says the Holy Book, “on those who believe neither in God nor in the last judgment, who do not regard as forbidden what God and his Prophet have forbidden, on those who do not profess the true religion, until they, humbled in spirit, shall pay tribute with their own hands.”

    (2) Snouck Hurgronje, Muslim Law

    The Muslim, convinced of his own superiority, will not suffer any teaching. ”

    …snip….

    “Intellectually, the Muslim is, nevertheless, a paralytic; his brain, subjected in the course of centuries to the rough discipline of Islam, is closed to all that has not been foreseen, announced and specified by the religious law. He is, therefore, systematically hostile to all novelty, to all modification, to all innovation.

    Whatever exists has been created by the will of the Almighty. It is not for man to modify His work. If God had wished that what exists should be different, he would have made it so, irrespective of all human volition. To act is thus, to some extent, to misunderstand the divine decisions, to wish to substitute human desires for them, to commit an act of insubordination. Such a conception puts all progress out of the question; and, in fact, immobility is the essential characteristic of every Muslim community.

    As has been remarked, “the Muslim, remaining faithful to his religion, has not progressed; he has remained stationary in a world of swiftly moving modern forces. It is, indeed, one of the salient features of Islamism that it immobilizes in their native barbarism the races whom it enslaves. It is fixed in a crystallization inert and impenetrable. It is unchangeable; and political, social or economic changes have no repercussion upon it.” (4)”

  74. Malla says:
    @Malla

    What is interesting is that journey of the soul to improve oneself until one becomes God like oneself as found in Zoroastrian doctrine has strange similarities with Mormon doctrines. There are theories that Mormonism was a Christian attempt to return partially to an Aryan pagan past, philosophically speaking.

    • Replies: @ploni almoni
  75. @Malla

    Don’t be silly. A cult is created to control people for one’s own interests. The tablets bringing the book of Mormon are a fraud; John the Baptist appearing on the banks of the Susquehanna to make Smith and Young Zadokite priests is a fraud. Every religion has some cult aspects, but some cults have no or minimum religious aspects. Use your head the hookah smoking caterpillar said.

    • Replies: @Malla
  76. Malla says:
    @conceptpolitico

    All your African independence struggles were fake, supported by bankers and their pet commies. Now those elite wall street bankers exploit Africa, give aid to Africa to increase black African population and now use blacks as migrants to White lands to finish off the hated White race before the Satanic elites build their Satanic NWO.
    Blaming YT for the work of Satanic Joo elites. The black immigrants should be sent to live in the houses of those Satanic elites.

  77. @Malla

    Muslims have hated Gypsies since the Punjab. That is nothing new. The Gypsies fled India because of the Muslim spread into the Northern subcontinent.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @RadicalCenter
  78. @obwandiyag

    As I predicted. A scumbag gives a real classic scumbag reply. Admitting that he does want to kill all Puerto Ricans. Lovely.

  79. @Malla

    I’ve been around Brahmin and know them well. A few of them handle being around whites badly when they discover that Goras don’t give a shit at all about their religion and their pale complexions mean nothing and their money is not worth much. I knew a Bengali Gaur woman who went crazy at whites about it and quit her job in our office.

    …But most Brahmin are clever and adapt. Despite some distant link to tough Slavs from the Ukraine 3,000 years ago they are soft and rather fruity now, not the Aryan “tough guys” that their distant founding populations who came down the Kush were.

    They tend to have some of the same qualities as Jews. A high IQ with a particular verbal dexterity and a real brilliant capacity for finding openings in power structures.

    It makes sense that whites would prefer them over other Indians. Dalits seem to low-grade idiots a great deal of time who cannot handle alcohol. Muslims and Sikhs are too macho. Nair are untrustworthy crooks and thieves who lie so much that they don’t often know reality from fantasy themselves because of their constant untruthfulness.

    • Replies: @Malla
  80. lulu says:
    @Dana Thompson

    You should listen and watch it with this video “Michael Parenti – Tibet: Friendly Fuedalism?” to have a better picture of what Tibet looked like under Dalai Lama’s theocracy government: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiLbAEQqrqY

    Here is a longer version of Mr. Parenti’s “Friendly Feudalism: The Tibet Myth“: http://www.michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html. Take a look and see how much MSM has been brainwashing you with dis-/misinformation/lies about Tibet to create this current Tibetan Myth, which has been champing by Hollywood.

    The protagonist Heinrich Harrer was a Nazi Party member, joined Sturmabteilung (SA) in October 1933 and Schutzstaffel (SS) in 1938 as Oberscharführer (Sergeant).

  81. @Malla

    Brahmin have a flair for finding vacuums in power structures. They are not as savvy as Jews at finding a demand and supplying it but better at seeing the opening in a power structure than Jews.

    • Replies: @Malla
  82. Malla says:
    @ploni almoni

    Mormonism might be a cult but I see parallels in between Mormonism, Nietzscheism and the Zoroastrian Aryan concept of the superman becoming a God himself. And I have already shown of the deep similarities in between Persian Zoroastrianism and European pre Christian Paganism. I see this recurring theme of the superman becoming a God himself in Mormonism and Nietzscheism as an Aryan spiritual voice coming out regularly like the ancient Persian priests of old.
    And I am not the only one to realise this similarity in between the two.
    The webpage author is not a Mormon by the way.

    http://akinokure.blogspot.com/2015/02/mormon-paganism-gods-that-are-created.html

    Mormon paganism: Gods that are created and mortal for a time, not transcendent
    In the comment below in the page, the poster “Agnostic” writes
    “They are similar to the Zoroastrians in those respects. Zoroastrians focus more on ritual than reflecting on our inner sinful natures and trying to change our nature. They were historically an ethnically similar group — Persians — except for a phase when they ruled over an extensive and diverse empire.

    However, while I think the Parsis are the closest analog to the Mormons today, I wouldn’t say that Mormonism and Zoroastrianism are sister religions, or that both are equally pre-Axial.”

    What Mormons Believe: Their Own Planet

    In Zoroastrianism,

    https://authenticgathazoroastrianism.org/2013/08/12/the-poetic-gathas-according-and-will-to-become-godlike/

    Here the self of one’s own person (ahyá) is identified with godhood or the power to become Godlike (ahü.) It is a marvelous journey of empowerment, an odyssey in which the evolving self is vested with ever more virtues and powers (vástárem) and thereby becomes endlessly better and ever more wonderful (vahyö.)

    There are uncanny similarities in between Mormonism and Zoroastrianism. The Aryan Superman becomes a God himself after a journey of continues spiritual self improvement.
    Like in Hinduism, a disciple becomes a Guru himself by perfecting himself morally and spiritually and the first Gurus were the Hindu Devas (Gods) themselves as well as the primordial Rishis (Sages) of the ancient Rig Vedas.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
  83. Malla says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Very true. Pakistanis and Eastern European Gypsies are not getting along with each other in the UK lately.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  84. Malla says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    They are not as savvy as Jews at finding a demand and supplying

    That would the mercantile Baniya (trader) Indians, good at demand and supply. Jews are a combination of Brahmins and Baniyas.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  85. Malla says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Despite some distant link to tough Slavs from the Ukraine 3,000 years ago they are soft and rather fruity now, not the Aryan “tough guys” that their distant founding populations who came down the Kush were.

    People have got mixed throughout the ages in the Indian subcontinent. India is Brazil/Mexico on Steroids. I have seen Brahmins whose looks differ from tall tough Nordic looking ones all the way to weak Jewish yeshiva student looking ones. My caste, North Indian Kayasthas have similar range in looks too. My Y DNA is R1a1 and has origins in Central Asia/Ukraine.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  86. Malla says:
    @Malla

    Sorry I forgot to add this in my last post
    From

    http://akinokure.blogspot.com/2015/02/mormon-paganism-gods-that-are-created.html

    “In 19th-century America, Mormonism restored the much earlier pagan view of our creator as just one example of a created being, one who had existed in earlier mortal form, and whose godlike nature it was possible for us mortals to attain. This view continued to be mainstream among LDS Church leaders right through their fastest period of recent growth, roughly 1960 to 1990.”

  87. denk says:

    THE TIBET THAT NO ANGLOS AND INDIANS WANNA TALK ABOUT….

    How about something closer at home , hmdl ?
    Why’r black Dravidian squatting in yellow men’s land ?

    The so-called ‘Indian Northeast’ doesnt belong in India,
    Those are Mongoloid stock..

    They were gobbled up by the British Raj and ‘bequeathed’ to India . Those who demanded their independence were invaded by divisions of barbaric jawans. The Indians used genocides, mass rapes and scotched earth to crush the indigenous .
    But resistance to Indian rule persist to this day, the entire NE , together with Kashmir, are still under the yoke of the dreaded AFSPA, widely regarded as the most draconian ‘anti insurgency’ law in the world.

    The NE folks suffer a double whammy under Indian tyranny. At home they’r brutalised by the notorious Assam rifles, women bear the blunt of assault by the sex crazed occupying army…

    [nude protest at the notorious Assam rifles hq , after yet another gang rape cum murder in Manipur]

    When NE folks go to the cities looking for jobs, they are at the mercy of heartless heartlanders. They are taunted as ‘chinks, gooks, chowmain‘, abused , beaten up , even murdered simply because of their looks.

    NE women are doubly vulnerable to sex crimes in the heartland because of their fair skin. They are leered at, taunted ,molested in the street and at their work place. Many suffered the even worse fate of being gang raped and killed.

    Exhibit A
    A guy from hmdl’s birth place Tawang, [re-named Arunachal Pradesh after annexed by India], beaten to death by a mob in Delhi because of his ‘chinki’ look.

    https://www.countercurrents.org/kamei020214.htm

    Where’s hmdl ?
    Wow, he’s doing his international circuit currying favor with the alt right, telling the blacks they dont belong in whitey’s land !

    Hey hmdl , whatever happens to ‘charity starts at home‘ eh ?

    Exhibit B
    A protest on Indian sex crimes targeting NE girls who have fair complexion.

  88. denk says:

    because they would, beyond a doubt, be tortured and killed by the ChiCom Gestapo. You really don’t need a Ph.D. in Far Eastern Studies to know that.

    Perfidious Albion.

  89. @Malla

    Gypsies fled the Punjab because of Muslims 1000 years ago in the first place.

  90. @Malla

    I’ve worked with Gujaratis. Jews are not quite as good at business as Gujarati nor as good at finding power structure weaknesses as Brahmin BUT possess the qualities of both in a sort of well-rounded combo for being a market-dominant minority.

  91. Malla says:
    @Malla

    One could also see similar tendencies in Buddhism. Gautama Buddha was an Indo Scythian (Saca in Sanskrit) prince. The Scythians were very closely related to the ancient Persian culturally and even genetically. In Theravada Buddhism, a person can become a Buddha himself once he attain Nirvana. A mortal can become a Buddha, attain Buddhahood as equal to Gautama Buddha himself by spiritual development. In Semitic Islam, a person cannot become Allah.

  92. @Malla

    “Brazil”

    Goa has a Hispanic feel to it.

    • Replies: @Malla
  93. Allan says:
    @Malla

    It’s unlikely that S. Gotama “most probably himself was a YT” unless it’s correct to stretch the meaning of white a great deal or to interpret #14, “Golden-hued body”, as meaning well tanned. Gotama, however, was not known for laying out in the sun but, instead, for his efforts in the shade of a large fig tree immediately prior to his claim that he’d become a Buddha.

    • Replies: @Malla
  94. Moi says:
    @DB Cooper

    Many westerners think the Dalai Lama stands at the left hand of Jesus.

  95. Jaylon says:

    Here is another video for the truth on Tibet. I fully expect the video to be no longer available within the next year or so, as it clearly does not fit the US ministry of truth narrative

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wvo8MXny5XI&feature=youtu.be&bpctr=1537471324

    • Replies: @DB Cooper
  96. lulu says:
    @DB Cooper

    It always dumbfounds me to see how the Westerners, even those “waken-up” ones including Mr. Derbyshire gladly devour the spoon-fed MSM propaganda against China without blinking an eye while they do demonstrate their suspicion/critical thinking against MSM’s propaganda about Russia , Syria, Iran and Trump.

    Firstly, take a look at the Why We Fight: “Battle of China (ca. 1944) by US government war film:

    (From 3:02, you can see on the map where US government put Tibet in.)

    Ask yourself why now US government is supporting the Tibetan separatists (CIA & NED training and funding)?

    Secondly, Western MSM is trying to spin the China “invaded” Tibet in 1959 narratives by totally cutting off the historical facts between Chinese Central Government and Tibet:

    - In 1653, – (long before the mass white European immigration/invasion of N. America)-, Qing Emperor offically granted/conferred the title Dalai to the head of Gelug Schools of Buddhism in Tibet. Since then any reincarnation aka successor of Dalai has to be approved and confirmed by Chinese central government.

    The current Dalai Lama was officiated in 1940 by then Chinese Government run by Kumingtang, which fled to Taiwan after its defeat to CPC in 1949. (PS. The 14th Dalai Lama has said himself that his first language was “a broken Xining language, a dialect of Chinese, and his family did not speak the Tibetan language when he was selected.)

    - In 1751, – (25 years before USA declared its independence)-, Qing Government issued 13 administrative rules/regulations regarding Tibet governing structure and power distribution. (《 西藏善后章程》:https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E8%A5%BF%E8%97%8F%E5%96%84%E5%BE%8C%E7%AB%A0%E7%A8%8B)

    - In 1793, -(11 years before Napoleonic Code, the pan European adopted legal code, came into being )-, the Chinese Central Government promulgated formal administrative laws regarding Tibetan government and relegions. (《钦定藏内善后章程》:https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%AC%BD%E5%AE%9A%E8%97%8F%E5%85%A7%E5%96%84%E5%BE%8C%E7%AB%A0%E7%A8%8B).

    One of the important rules is the “Golden Urn” (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Urn) to select the successors of rinpoches, lamas and other high offices within Tibetan Buddhism: each of the names of the reincarnation candidates of Dalai Lama would be put into the Golden Urn, then under the supervision of Central Government officials one of these names would be picked up to be declared as the official successor of Dalai Lama.

    The government of Republic of China followed the same rule after Qing Dynasty, and PRC also followed the same rule when selecting the incarnation successor of 10th Panchen Lama. The one that picked up by Dalai Lama is illegal, not vice versa as MSM and exil-Tibetans want you to believe.

    By leaving out these historical facts, MSM is trying to make its spinnings as facts to misleading its readers/audiences. This type behaviour is just as shameless and baseless as what it is doing now with “Russia Gate”, “White Helmet”, calling AQ terrorists in Idlib as “rebels” and iFUKUS should protect them. Total psychopath and schizophrenia!

    • Replies: @DB Cooper
  97. AaronB says:

    Malla there are basically two kinds of spirituality – horizontal, and vertical. I forget who invented these terms.

    Vertical spirituality is when you are trying to get somewhere, to transform yourself into something – the here and now is bad, but if you can just get to this other place or be this superior person, you’ll be happy. Happiness is always in the future, and now is always miserable.

    This kind of spirituality runs like a thread through all forms of ancient spirituality but doesn’t dominate it and competes with a different kind of spirituality.

    The modern world is almost entirely vertical – progress, evolution, etc. Our hopes are on the future. We will get somewhere fantastic and amazing, transform ourselves into something amazing. But now sucks – except that before sucked even more.

    Mormonism is an entirely modern religion in this sense and sees the human task as to evolve to a superior state. That’s why its friendly to technology and transhumanism.

    This kind of thinking appeals to people who’ve lost hope for the present, and have never felt contentment or happiness in the now. These people are unhappy, restless, and pin all their hopes on some never arriving state. They are typically depressed.

    This describes the state of the modern world.

    Horizontal spirituality says we are already in paradise, it is not some distant place we have to get to. We are already perfect, we don’t have to evolve into Gods. The only thing we have to do is realize this, cease striving or struggling, and let things be. Our striving makes a hell of this world. We must live according to this insight.

    Some forms of Buddhism and Taoism and Christianity are of this type, although vertical strains are also heavily apparent in all three traditions. Sufi Islam may also be considered of this type, although not all types.

    The Tao Te Ching, the Zen sermons of Boddhidharma, the Sermon On The Mount, the Christian mystics, the famous Sufi poets, are the classic texts of horizontal spirituality.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
    , @RadicalCenter
  98. Jaylon says:

    In another era not too long ago, the US Ministry of truth was saying great things about China and her peoples, and even showed clearly China’s clearly delineated borders. Of course, every thing was turned 180 as soon as Mao won. See for yourself

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    , @Malla
  99. Patricus says:
    @anonymous

    Mark Twain visited the Middle East and North Africa. He said wherever there is Muslim rule the people are in rags.

  100. lulu says:
    @DB Cooper

    Thirdly, how many of you are fully aware that your dear CIA has been training, financing and parachuting the Tibetans to wage “political action, propaganda, paramilitary and intelligence operations” against China?

    - CIA Tibetan program: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_Tibetan_program. The goal of the program was “to keep the political concept of an autonomous Tibet alive within Tibet and among foreign nations” Sounds eerily familiar when look at the FUKUS are doing in Syria, Libya and Iran.

    - The Shadow Circus: The CIA in Tibet:

    - Behind Dalai Lama’s holy cloak: “The 14th Dalai Lama was financially supported by the CIA between the late 1950s and the mid 1970s, receiving 180,000 dollars per annum. (https://www.theage.com.au/business/behind-dalai-lamas-holy-cloak-20070523-ge4yfk.html )

    As usual, US dumped those poor Tibetan guys without hesitation once Nixon and Kissinger decided to make friends with CPC. Now there has been a sea-change in US intelligence attitudes towards Tibetan. Old operational plans have been dusted off and updated. MSM and academy on cue “suddenly” become interested in supporting “Free Tibet. 2008 is the year that the sound bite “Free Tibet” formally came into the conscious of ordinary Westerners.

    - 2017 NED lists its support for Tibet (https://www.ned.org/region/asia/china-tibet-2017/):

    -> A Symposium for Tibetan Intellectuals and Artists – Filming for Tibet
    -> Amplifying Voices from Tibet – The Tibet Relief Fund of the United Kingdom
    -> Strengthening the Tibetan Movement – Campaigning and Leadership Training – Students for a Free Tibet, Inc.
    -> Empowering a New Generation of Tibetan Leaders – Rights Action Lab Inc.
    ->Strengthening International Support for Human Rights in Tibet – International Tibet Network

    MSM and colonist mentality mislead Western to romanticise Dalai Lama’s theocratic rule as “paradise on earth”, while in fact Tibet was a serfdom, and more than 90% Tibetans were serfs.

    “Until 1959, …… most of the arable land was still organized into manorial estates worked by serfs. These estates were owned by two social groups: the rich secular landlords and the rich theocratic lamas…The Dalai Lama himself ‘lived richly in the 1000-room, 14-story Potala Palace.’

    “There also were slaves, usually domestic servants, who owned nothing. Their offspring were born into slavery. The majority of the rural population were serfs. Treated little better than slaves, the serfs went without schooling or medical care, They were under a lifetime bond to work the lord’s land–or the monastery’s land–without pay, ……Their masters told them what crops to grow and what animals to raise. They could not get married without the consent of their lord or lama. And they might easily be separated from their families should their owners lease them out to work in a distant location. ”

    Yet, a February 16, 2010 NED press release describes the former Tibetan feudal overlord “not only as a moral and religious leader respected throughout the world but as a fellow democrat who shares America’s deepest values.” (https://gowans.wordpress.com/2010/03/22/the-ned-tibet-north-korea-and-zimbabwe/)

    - Tibet Diary – Episode 1-6 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pI4SB4GXho&list=PLC8D4496FBF6EEEBA) tells you what today’s Tibet really looks like in the eyes of Western travelers.

    • Replies: @Logan
  101. DB Cooper says:
    @Mactoul

    “Is there any refugee flow from South Tibet to Tibet North?
    If not, why not?”

    No there is not. The reason is that South Tibet is tightly controlled by India and is shut off from the outside world. The place is on a permanent virtual lock down. Foreigners cannot freely go there unless they get a special permit from the Indian government and permits are seldomly granted. The people in South Tibet are seething with anger and India knows it. This is why India imposes the notorious AFSPA (Armed Force Special Power Act) on South Tibet. AFSPA gives the state the power to detain or kill anyone with impunity. It is law meant to intimidate the locals and suppress dissents. It is imposed on area India deemed ‘disturbed’, such as South Tibet and Kashmir.

    In terms of Tibetans exiled in India moving back to China? Yes there are increasing number of Tibetans exiled wanting to go back to China and some have succeeded, including one of Dalai Lama’s top lieutenent.

    You will never read this is main stream media. Free South Tibet from the Indian rapists!

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
  102. DB Cooper says:
    @lulu

    Yes I don’t know why. May be it is politically incorrect to say the Dalai Lama is a fraud and Tibet was part of China. I think it has a lot to do with commie this commie that. Once you utter the ‘c’ word it f*ck up their logic.

  103. DB Cooper says:
    @Jaylon

    Wow, I tried to access the youtube clip and it is tag with “The following content has been identified by the YouTube community as inappropriate or offensive to some audiences.”

    WTF? Why is it offensive?

    • Replies: @jaylon
  104. DB Cooper says:
    @Malla

    You are right. The DL is no friend of the Dalits. DL’s politics is pretty right wing although his admirers are mostly liberal leftwing type. He loves rich white people and hate Tibetans (this is not a typo, as a long time DL’s observer I cannot but concluded that the Dalai Lama hates Tibetans), Palestinians, Blacks and any other poor oppressed people.

  105. lulu says:
    @anonymous

    I’d like strongly suggest Mr. Derbyshire take a look of how Tibetans live today under “ChiCom Gestapo”:

    - Tibetan guy Tashi Phuntsok (扎西平措) won 2017 Voice of China (aka Chinese version of American Idol), top rate entertaining TV show:

    -> His first song “Quiet Lake Water” (a mix of pop/rap/Indian music in Mandarin & Tibetan):

    -> Battle song “Mother” (Lyrics by his elder brother – the man with neo-placard at 4:38, the woman beside him is his sister-in-law, music by himself. Though don’t understand Tibetan but this song is my favorite, it touches my heart. Hope you guys like it as well ):

    - Though posted already, it still worth re-posting Tibet Diary- Episode 1-6 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pI4SB4GXho&list=PLC8D4496FBF6EEEBA). Watch the ground level reality of Tibet in the eyes of Western travelers.

    See for yourselves how ridiculously MSM has been brainwashing you.

    • Replies: @jaylon
    , @Malla
    , @Malla
  106. @Jeff Stryker

    You’re projecting again. I’ve seen some other comments you’ve made. Apparently, you are now of German stock. When we started commenting you said you were some kind of Eastern European who fled the US because you’re afraid of blacks. Also, you live in Asia. What do you care about my male relatives? They are Americans and not involved with Asian women.

    If Derbyshire wanted Asian poontang, fine. But he should have moved to Asia for it. He didn’t. Instead, he imported and created Democratic voters.

    Yes, his wife was allowed in because of our evil and degenerate immigration policy. That’s the problem. But, again, instead of being grateful, Derbyshire writes evil columns about the West and whites. If he does not like whites, why does he live in the West?

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  107. jaylon says:
    @DB Cooper

    Obviously it is offensive because it does not fit the US Ministry of Truth narrative on China!

  108. jaylon says:
    @lulu

    I am permanently resigned to accepting nonsense even from learned people, including those from alternative medias including unz authors. Mostly the nonsense came from pure ignorance, and the illusion of knowledge that they possess. (Hint, which is worse? the absence of knowledge, or the illusion of knowledge?)
    They could have easily remedy such shortcomings themselves by simply travelling to the place that they “think” they know for some period of time. But heck, no, it’s too much to ask, after all, they think they know already. It’s like armchair generals who think they can win wars by staying in their ivory tower.

    • Replies: @DB Cooper
    , @lulu
  109. jaylon says:

    @DB Cooper
    It’s “offensive” because it’s not Political Correct => it does not show China in bad light.

  110. jaylon says:

    @lulu
    “I’d like strongly suggest Mr. Derbyshire take a look of how Tibetans live today under “ChiCom Gestapo”

    Yes, the sad truth is that many people in the US, even those from “alternative media” have been so brainwashed that they possess the illusion of knowledge, when they are ignorant on the subject matter they expound their views on. It’s really kind of sad.
    There is a Chinese old saying “Just travel for 1000 miles beats reading a 10000 page book”.
    All people like Mr. Derbyshire needs to do is simply take a long vacation to China and see for themselves, but no, that’s too much to ask, plus it might burst the mental illusion they are in!

    Which is worse ? the absence of knowledge or the illusion of knowledge?

  111. DB Cooper says:
    @jaylon

    One reason I could think of is that these oppression things (religious and ethnic) conform to what these Unz authors understand as ‘human nature’ because these have been the historic experience of the West. So when Chinese people protest that they don’t religious and ethnically oppress it simply just doesn’t make sense.

    Granted during the Cultural Revolution many Tibetan monasteries were destroyed and many monks were force to go secular but these happened all over China and has nothing to do with religious and ethnic oppression and has everything to do with the political craziness of the time. What the Dalai Lama did is that he rebrand this episode of history as religious and ethnic oppression and when the Westerners hear the phrase religious and ethnic oppression they immediately ‘get it’. ‘Of course’ they will say.

    • Replies: @DB Cooper
  112. DB Cooper says:
    @DB Cooper

    Indians are for a different reason. Indian’s reason is to confuse the issue and keep China on the defensive so as to obfuscate the fact that it is India that has invaded and is still occuping a piece of Tibet, South Tibet (Arunachal Pradesh).

    • Replies: @denk
  113. anonomy says:

    Parasitism aside, what is done is done. I have always maintained that whites in the US and Africa should go back to Europe. That isn’t exclusive to whites in other areas. There is no future for those whites outside of Europe.For the US, Africa and even Australia, the only way to crawl out from under the yoke of white bad, is to go back to our own land and live with our own people. There is no escape from the constant barrage of grief that we endure on a daily basis. There is no fix other than going back to our own land and people
    Why would Europe want the middle east when they should be advertising for us, white Americans. The same way they convinced millions to leave their homes in Europe to come to this country the US is the same advertising to go home. I’m with the Dalai Lama, we whites have been here too long, time to go hone.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
    , @Malla
  114. @attilathehen

    I was simply informing the other poster that you were not from the Northeast. I’m from Detroit and I would know.

    You’re pure Midwestern townie. A hick one.

    It is hard to believe you are female and I make you for a white male in figurative drag but white hick Podunk women are so salty and without a trace of femininity that it is not impossible that you are a woman. Probably middle-aged, if so.

    I’m simply correcting the other poster because there is no way you are from the Northeast and urban.

    The stench of exurban Podunk hillbilly rust-belt never-been-anywhere townie cloaks you.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  115. Malla says:
    @AaronB

    Thanks for your insight.
    Oh well, Zoroastrianism would be a type of Vertical spirituality then.

    Happiness is always in the future, and now is always miserable.

    I think happiness is not the end or aim in this form of thought but it is the duty of man to continuously improve oneself. Like what Nietzsche said.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  116. @anonomy

    “They’re an embarrassment to France,” a Parisian once describe the Cajun French. “They’re descended from sailors and girls of ill repute around Breton harbors.”

    That’s probably, deep-down, what most Europeans believe. America was a way to thin out an underclass to begin.

    Scotland for example, does not want an intractable underclass from the Appalachians.

    African-Americans are not Africans whose ancestry can be traced to a single country. They are a composite of many different tribes from Senegal all the way South to Angola and most of them are 20% white as well.

    • Replies: @anonomy
  117. Malla says:
    @Allan

    Yes, it is possible Gutama Buddha was mixed with the Mongoloid Kiratas of Nepal.

  118. Joe Wong says:
    @sflicht

    “The Dalai is a wolf in monk’s robes, a devil with a human face but the heart of a beast,”

    The Pre-1951 TIBET CONSTITUTION —- & SLAVERY when Dalai-Lama ruled Tibet as supremo.
    In 1951, the Tibetan Constitution makes slavery/serfdom legal.
    It allows the buying and selling of slaves/serfs.
    It divides Tibetan people into 3 main castes and 12 sub-castes — with the slaves, the lowest castes.
    (1) the Tibetan nick-names for slaves was “Two-legged cattle”
    (2) these slaves were indeed bought and sold like cattle
    (3) They live in the cattle-shed together with the cattle
    (4) when 2 Tibetan slaves meet each other for the first time, they greet by asking “Who is your master?” instead of “what is your name”?
    *5) They were routinely tortured, abused, raped by their masters; gouging eyes, chopping hands and skinning alive were the common penalties under the Dalai Lama rule.
    (6) They had very little vocabulary and they speak in a babble-like chatter
    (7) When the escaped slaves ran to the monasteries for help they were told by monks to accept their Fate as KARMA — and not to rebel , otherwise they would re-incarnate as something worse.

    The Dalai Lama in 1951 himself had owned 6500 slaves
    All the monasteries had owned slaves who do all the menial/dirty work.
    All of the above, the British and the American were serving the Dalai Lama as political advisors on the governing council.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @jilles dykstra
  119. Malla says:
    @DB Cooper

    Nobody wanted to go to China during the Mao period. During that time, Democratic India was a better option. Now things are different. China is more prosporous, stable and people have more freedom while India remains a shithole even though we got a head start over the Chinese due to the development done during the British Raj.

    • Replies: @Joe Wong
  120. Malla says:
    @anonomy

    the only way to crawl out from under the yoke of white bad, is to go back to our own land and live with our own people. There is no escape from the constant barrage of grief that we endure on a daily basis. There is no fix other than going back to our own land and people

    LOL White bad has more to do with brown blacks and their irrational hatred and jealousy of YT. These emotions are riled up further by Joos and the excited brown blacks are to be the untermensch slave army for their joo masters to attack and finish of YT only for the brown blacks to become slaves in the coming Satanic Joo World Order. They will never be satisfied, you could all leave the Americas, Australia/ New Zealand and even Siberia. They will never stop complaining. Nothing you do will satisfy them until you all are extinct form this planet and even then they will attack all the signs of YT existence of Earth. Cathedrals and buildings will be destroyed till no sign of the existance of YT is left.

    If YTs leave Australia and the Americas, these places will revert back into shitholes unless North East Asians take over. California is becoming a brownie land and it is becoming a shithole. YT gave up Detroit to the ‘vibrant’ blacks, blacks are still complaining and Detroit is a major shithole.

  121. anonomy says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    No one said anything about Africans or them or others going anywhere, I was only talking about whites. Nothing would be forced simply voluntary for whites seeking a better life. The early Christians came here as refugees in a way escaping not only the Catholic church but the Church of England. We are no longer refugees, like the Dalai Lama says and maybe it’s time we leave and go back to our land and live with our people. We can’t live here with their endless attacks. I have spent a life time now listening to their non-sense, there is no future for whites to be white people or to be a people. There is no way to escape their endless guilt complex and no way for South Africans to live either, without going back and standing together with our own, no more guilt.

  122. AaronB says:
    @Malla

    You’re a vertical guy :)

    I had that feeling!

    For the horizontal, there is no need to improve.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
  123. Malla says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Goa has a Hispanic feel to it.

    Goa part of Portuguese Empire for 400 years and rest of India (with exceptions like French Pondicherry) part of British Empire. Portuguese like other Med Euros were people of Carnival and flair. The Victorian Brits were more serious and practical. The effect of both these Empires can still be felt at the Goa border with the rest of India. Once you enter Goa by road, the atmosphere changes completely, you have just left behind the serious India and entered party India.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  124. Malla says:
    @AaronB

    You’re a vertical guy :)

    I had that feeling!

    Very true.
    You have a remarkably good intuition about things.

  125. Malla says:
    @lulu

    Well, on India’s account, many Indians from the North East regularly win Indian singing contests.
    Check out Thupten Tsering from Arunachal Pradesh, South Tibet who won Indian Idol

    Prashant Tamang from Sikkim winner of Indian Idol many years back

    Even Indians of Chinese ancestry have won great acclaim in Indian singing contests, such as Meiyang Chang.

    YE HASEEN WADIYAN | HIMANI KAPOOR | MEIYANG CHANG

    Maula | Meiyang Chang, Rashmeet Kaur

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @lulu
  126. Malla says:
    @AaronB

    I had this thought. This imposition of Christianity on Europeans would have a strange effect on the European mind. Since ancient Aryans had this tendency to become like their Gods, could it be that European Christians take this “becoming like Christ” a bit to seriously. Jesus Christ, the only son of God sacrificed himself for the sins of mankind. Would you say this European tendency towards guilt, to sacrifice themselves in the name of morality, trying to become like their God Jesus Christ is a twisted way of becoming like their Aryan Gods of old? Continues guilt, continues sacrifice. I do not see this in non White Christians too much.

    As this page says

    https://authenticgathazoroastrianism.org/2017/03/06/frya-or-love-in-the-gathas-old-norse-freya-and-frigg/

    “The submissive and slavish relation of man to Gods is NOT characteristic of Zoroastrianism. Mortals in Zoroastrianism are not slaves before an omnipotent God whose nature is intimidation and terror.”

    Very different from Islam where man has to submit to the laws of Allah, the creator.
    In the rest of the world, especially in the brown black world, man is a slave to scary spiritual beings, to Gods and demons. Thus Christianity does not have this negative effect on brown blacks. Most Brown Black Christians just consider Jesus as this great power who has to be prayed to, to get things.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  127. @Johnny Smoggins

    Already in the sixties my professor development of third world countries explained to us that the governments of these countries do not want medical aid, more mouths that need food.
    Malthus was not completely right, but indeed available food limits the size of a population.
    Even in a novel about mid 19th century France, you can read that the grandfather on a farm, it was customary that three generations lived together, was worried about another grandchild, how to feed it ?
    George Sand, La Mare au Diable.

  128. Malla says:
    @AaronB

    Though I must add that when I read your insightful sermons…errr…I mean, posts on Unz, I go a bit horizontal.

    • LOL: AaronB
    • Replies: @Silva
  129. @Malla

    They’re also Catholic.

    You always see the cross tattooed on the hand.

    I spent years of my life in and out of Goa.

  130. denk says:
    @DB Cooper

    Letter from China, 1963 ..

    On the 1962 border war and Tibet….

    *Probably no POW camps were ever run in quite this style, but it is an old tradition with the People’s Liberation Army to make friends of captured soldiers.

    Thousands of Japanese captured during the Japanese occupation of China, are today China’s best friends in Japan. One wonders how these Indians, so wishfully hailing their homes, will be treated in India.*

    Yet the jp and Indians repay China’s generosity and kindness with malice, both joining up with the re-kindled eight nations alliance against China,

    *If these men ever reached home or any place where they could talk freely, the Western reporters in India have been lax on their job. The only mention I have found was in the Sunday Telegraph, March 17 (British)

    which said that some people tried to get anti-China statements from the returned captives but gave it up, because the men had nothing but praises for their treatment and wishes for Sino-Indian reconciliation*

    Same old, same old.
    fukus aint interested in facts,what they want is to make the Chinese look bad in the world.

    In India, fukus studiously overlook daily dose of human rights abuses in the Tibet that no angl/indian wanna talk about, Kashmir, dalits ,,….

    OTOH, fukus ignore highly benevolent policies in Tibet proper, grossly distort and exaggerate problems , conjure up downright lies to demonise China.

    From what I gather, its a roaring success.
    Sinophobia is a consensus in the 5lies sphere, across the board,left, right and centre.

    Rednecks say ‘China is our enemy’,
    ‘Progressives’ say ‘China just as bad as us, if not worse’
    The way ‘progressives’ readily swallow official stories on China even when they staunchly challenge official stories on 911, or so-called Russian interference says it all.

    *If anything has become clear in the past six months, it is that China wants peace, a quiet border and Sino-Indian friendship, while the Indian ruling class wants tension. “Neither war nor peace”, but tension and a hostile border where no Indians can make friends with Chinese. They want this for many reasons including the billions this policy gets them in Western aid.

    All this is evidence that Nehru’s India wants
    No quiet border, but expanding power!

    Knowing,–and saying–that India cannot accomplish this alone, India’s ruling class confers feverishly with American and British strategists, seeking “aid” from the West. And Western imperialists cynically seek their own aims through India: a new dominance of Asia by Western imperialism, using Indians as cheap cannon fodder. *

    Rings a bell ?
    These days we’r told that India is the ‘natural leader in Asia Indo Pacific’, fukus natural partner to thwart the yellow peril.

    hhhhh

    *That “massive thrust” on the eastern border that brought the Chinese “to the gates of Assam” was Tibetan territory for centuries into which Britain began to penetrate in the 1940′s, claiming it by a line drawn by the British officer McMahon which no Chinese government ever recognized. Much of it was never even taken by Britain but by Nehru’s troops in their surprise attack on Tawang in 1951.
    This was the area into which Chinese troops made
    “massive thrust” in their October-November “counter-attack” in 1962, and from which they then at once withdrew, refusing to recover even their own territory by force!*

    There’r still Anglos/Indians who bleat about ‘Chinese invasion in 1962′

    Some Indians even taunted Chinese posters in a forum, ‘You won the war…but we keep the land, ‘

    Some cheek !

    hhhhhhhh

    https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/strong-anna-louise/1963/letters_china/ch08.htm

    Moral of the story….

    The leopard never changes its spots,

    India , once a sepoy, always a sepoy.

    fukus, once a liar, always a liar.

    • Replies: @Malla
  131. @anonomy

    By the time I had spent two years in Dubai and I was ready to immigrate anywhere. But that is extremely difficult.

    Look at the situation of the Boers in Africa.

    Now the IT tech millionaires all have second passports to New Zealand.

    But the people who would need to immigrate most like the white prole in Yorkshire who might actually be better off in the US just cannot get out.

    They cannot even move 40 miles away. They’re stuck.

  132. Malla says:
    @Jaylon

    In another era not too long ago, the US Ministry of truth

    They were lying about Japan and Germany then. Now they lie about China and some years back they lied about Iraq and Libya and Yugoslavia.

  133. @anonomy

    If the Australian or Swiss government is excepting whites from urban US cities or Boers let me know. I’ll sign up.

    Whites are always running away from black crime in the United States. Moving from suburbs to exurbs.

    Since South Africa has less physical space there is nowhere for Boers to run. But the US is getting there. There is hardly anywhere left to run.

    • Replies: @Malla
  134. Malla says:
    @Joe Wong

    When the escaped slaves ran to the monasteries for help they were told by monks to accept their Fate as KARMA — and not to rebel , otherwise they would re-incarnate as something worse.

    Yup, the influence of Satanic Brahmanism and Tantra on Lama Buddhism. That is what the whole concept of reincarnation all about in Hinduism. You are a low caste person, live your life by wahsing the toilet of Brahmins because this is punishment for your KARMA in your last birth. If you do your duty well of washing toilets, in your next birth you may be born a higher caste then what you are now. One of the best system of slavery ever made by man.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  135. @Malla

    The Brahmins I know sure didn’t believe in that…they would try ANYTHING…you’ve never seen sexual favors until you’ve seen a married Brahmin woman who thinks that screwing the boss will help her career. Mohanna was the chick’s name. Her arranged marriage must have meant nothing because her husband did not care much.

    Brahmin are foul-mouthed (Much of the time), vindictive (in petty non-violent ways), often child molesters or gay or nymphomaniacs and often drunkards.

    So they sure don’t believe in karma. They’ll try anything.

    The sad thing is that the Indians who actually prop them up and are manipulated by them and Hinduvas are lower-caste.

    However, Brahmin generally seem to be the most amoral.

    • Replies: @Malla
  136. KenH says:

    It’s time to cut Puerto Rico loose. It’s not personal and I don’t hate Puerto Ricans but we get nothing out of the deal except to hemorrhage gobs of money to a dysfunctional nation while giving two Senate seats to the radical Democrats. People like Ocasio-Cortez offer no new ideas and will just give us Puerto Rico style corruption and dysfunction.

    For all the horrors we supposedly visited upon the third world they sure do love living with white people in white nations. It’s like white nationalists bitching about Jews and Mexicans then demanding to live in Israel or Mexico.

    It’s time to erect a real firewall against continued third world immigration and encourage as many as possible to go back to their home countries (which won’t happen because life is too good in “white supremacist” nations). It’s time for the third world and its people to start sorting out their own problems. If that means civil wars and revolutions to make progress that consume large numbers of them then so be it.

    The U.S. will also need to butt the hell out of the rest of the world nations affairs and stop taking sides in every conflict.

  137. Malla says:
    @Spartoi Dragon

    before the U.S. gets ready to pounce on the wannabe hegemon

    But the US deep state created this wannbe hegemon. American bankers funded Mao and the creation of Communist China. PRC is an experiment in corporate communism to be imposed on the entire world one day by the globalist elites. This whole USA VS PRC is a farce.

  138. @Joe Wong

    The Dalai Lama, as the Japanese emperor, had no real power whatsoever.
    When, after the two atomic bombs, and the destruction of the Japanese Kwantung army, he decided to force capitulation on the army fanatics, his life was in danger.

  139. @KenH

    The USA will never do that.
    The Netherlands more or less controls some islands in the Carabbean, that just cost us money, and cause trouble, because the USA wants us to.
    No more Cuba’s.

    • Replies: @Malla
  140. Malla says:
    @denk

    Oh stop this fake Fukusi vs noble China B.S. Communist China was created by Fukus elites.

    Mao, Yale, CIA, China!

    US State Dept put Mao in power

    Joseph Stalin’s reluctance to create Communist China

    kill Switch Diplomacy: How the Rothschilds Prepared China to Be the Next USA

    heheheheh

    • Replies: @denk
  141. Malla says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    LOl Brahmins are already Brahmins because of their good Karma in their past. Karma is for the other castes. They can do whatever they like. They are supposed to be Gods on Earth.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  142. How ?
    Jung Chang, Jon Halliday, ‘Mao, Das Leben eines Mannes, das Schicksal eines Volkes’, München 2005 (Mao, London 2005)
    Barbara W. Tuchman, ‘Stilwell and the American Experience in China, 1911- 45’, New York, 1970, 1985
    No mention of any USA money.
    On the contrary, Tsjang was the USA favourite.

    FLYING TIGERS Chennault in China, Ballantine’s Illustrated History of World War II
    Ron Heiferman

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
    , @DB Cooper
  143. @KenH

    Show me any white Supremacist who wants to live in Israel or Mexico?

    Not that I am a white supremacist but after my experiences (Which were few but dangerous) with Cholos in Phoenix I don’t know how anybody could possibly want to live in Mexico.

    If Puerto Rico is no longer a territory they will become illegal aliens anyhow.

    • Replies: @KenH
  144. Malla says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Whites are always running away from black crime in the United States. Moving from suburbs to exurbs.

    Very Very good for the real estate business. Blacks are Real estate businessmen’s best friend or shall we say weapons of mass maigration. Send some hoodrat blacks into a nice suburb area and the prices drop like a stone and the people run. The earliest to run out will get the most money out their house sale. Whites buy new property somewhere else, all good for the real estate business. Then the area turns into a shithole. Then some decades later, redevelop the shithole (gentrification) and sell overpriced apartments to some dumb libtard artsy Whites. All of this good for business.

  145. @Malla

    I would not say Brahmin are stupid at all, not one bit.

    Nor are they Hindutvas. They blend with whites fairly easily.’

    The weird thing is the real pig-headed Hindutvas are not Bania caste at all.

  146. Malla says:
    @jilles dykstra

    The Netherlands more or less controls some islands in the Carabbean, that just cost us money, and cause trouble

    Most colonies cost money. Even in the Soviet Union, the Central Asian Soviet Republics costed the White Soviet republics money.

  147. I’ll buy Derbs central thesis; it’s not the complete story however.
    He neglects to mention that a judeo-bolshevik 5th column has laboured for over a hundred years to destroy and wreck our societies. The fact that our societies are still viable is a testament to white resilience.
    Name the Jew Derb.
    This explains Feminism, globohomo laws, holohaux and hate crime nonsense.
    We want our countries back sans ALL parasites.
    Fuck the hard left and the globalists. Vermin.

  148. Malla says:
    @jilles dykstra

    More on this Hindu Brahmanical infused Lama Buddhism

    https://extibetanbuddhist.com/chinas-false-gifts/

    “Only one problem. It is Tibetan “Buddhism”, i.e. the Vajrayana Tantra of the Wheel of Destruction, the real mythology of the Dalai Lama and his Tibetan ‘Buddhism,’ behind his sweet smile. And it is nothing the Buddha ever taught.

    It is going to enhance and expand Tibetan Tantra and its chaotic influences in our democratic societies, particularly in the United States, where it appears masters of oppression have taken over as the ‘liberators” once again, through the foundation of Dzongsar Khyentse.

    You know, Dzongsar Khyentse, the lama who rushed to mindfully lobotomize the Rigpa cult members of the notoriously sexually abusive Lama Sogyal, (after being tranquilized with a month-long mindfulness dathun from Shambhala International’s, pre-imploding, inner circle,) with his declaration that “the Vajrayana was above Western Law.”

    Lama Dzongsar is bankrolled by the wealthy Tibetophile, R.N. H. Ho, his favorite Chinese billionaire, who wants to establish a Buddhocracy all over the world. Most particularly in the West and in China. Based on Tibetan Tantra that he is helping to promote as just ‘Buddhism.’

    The Chinese Karmapa, recognized by both the Dalai Lama and the now-totally-corrupted Karme Kagyu lineage, and its spin-off organizations like Shambhala International, has been fooling our former liberal, now- left-of -center politicians; our former academic institutes of no-longer-higher -learning; our CEO s of our mega-corporations, and now our medical communities, for decades.”

    …snip…

    Most of Trungpa’s early students were left radicals. Many still are. Most, first had Hindu gurus and/or came into Lamaist Tantric Tibetan Buddhism through Transcendental Meditation (TM©).

    These are guru-worshiping Hindu Tantric Tibetan organizations of the occult, now politically hooked up with a socialist agenda, that is really the right-wing amongst us.

    We have been here before.

    Plus les choses le changent; plus elle restent le memes

    Tibetan Buddhism and Transcendental Meditation are guru-worshiping cults of Indian shamans and sorcerers promoting guru-worship and institutional and religiously justified sexual abusive and not what the Buddha taught, who are here to spread their three-stream meditation technique to create a larger population, a critical mass in fact, who no longer are able to judge good from bad; right from wrong, and will be less able to reason. Who will prefer to be in a trance that they believe is ‘enlightenment.’ And who will feel compelled to bring everyone else under this spell, too. This will make more people passive and pliable, stupid and confused; not enlightened as they claim. We can already see its effects now.

    It is not a healthy thing when The New York Times former Managing Editor in Chief’s wife is in love with Tibetan Lamas and their Tantra, and sits on the Manitou Foundation Board of the Eco-Cult Prophetess of the Spiritual Alliance for the future, Hanne Strong, Tibetan Tantric Buddhist herself, and promoter of the 17th Chinese Communist Karmapa; along with her other Board members. Not a good thing, at all.”

    • Replies: @lulu
  149. Truth says:
    @Deschutes

    I think Tillie is slowly and surreptitiously gain new recruits in the REAL White Nationalist campaign. All of you lukewarm WN’s better be scared, it’s getting interesting around here.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  150. Malla says:
    @jilles dykstra

    No need of USA money. The Americans backstabbed the Nationalists. Both the Soviets and the Americans supported the Nationalists against the Japanese to bleed both sides but after the War, the Nationalists were back stabbed. After the War, Stalin wanted a mainland China divided like Korea between the Soviets and Americans. This was because after the War he thought that it would be hard for the Soviets and especially the Russian SSR to fund a full mainland communist China. But he was convinced by Rockefellar to support Mao for a complete communist Mainland China, the nationalists can have Taiwan. The Soviets did loot Japanese industries in Manchuria and then gave it to the CCP.
    They wanted a Communist China for a long term experiment of Communism mixed with Capitalism, which we have in the PRC today.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @lulu
  151. Truth says:
    @KenH

    Territory Senators don’t vote.

    • Replies: @KenH
  152. “Answer: because they would, beyond a doubt, be tortured and killed by the ChiCom Gestapo.”

    This is, of course, a total and absolute, deliberate lie. The only mass torture and imprisonment that happened in Tibet was during the feudal Lamaist rule when the lamas literally used the peasantry as a parasite uses its host. The peasants were invariably kept illiterate and lived on a subsistence basis in order to keep the bonzes in comfort. Today’s Tibetans are educated and the autonomous region, despite its difficult geography, is being developed by the Chinese at a blistering pace…..while not one of the Tibetans “in exile” who returned to China was arrested or tortured.

    As for the canard about refugees being “well dressed types with cellphones who can pay the people smugglers”, I’m sure the starving,half naked passengers on overloaded rustbuckets who are one leak from drowning in the Mediterranean, who sold all they had for the passage, would appreciate knowing that they’re actually middle class.

    This article is despicable rubbish, but of course its author has the full right to expose his mendacity as bigotry.

  153. AaronB says:
    @Malla

    Well, I think there is no need for conjecture – to become Christ-like was an explicit goal of Christians.

    But I think every religion upholds an ideal to emulate – whether its a revered saint or the God of that religion.

    Whether you are trying to become just like your God or “slavishly” obeying the laws of your God on how to be an upright man, you are following external dictates.

    The whole “slavish” thing strikes me as just a bit of propaganda on the part of modernity, but the distinction is artificial not just between religions but even between religion and modernity.

    As beings who inhabit a world we did not make, any path we follow in order to flourish means following external dictates.

    Modern man who boldly charts his own course and rejects slavishness (in his own mind) is desperately trying to discover physical and scientific laws which govern his life that he can then follow.

    I know you idealized the West and I am by no means anti-Western, but I think the West really has sinned against the spirit in a way no other civilization has.

    I think a Buddhist, Taoist, or Muslim civilization that did what the West did would also be burdened by a heavy sense of guilt.

    The way back to health, I believe, isn’t by coming up with theories about why the guilt is pathological or artificially caused by Jews, etc, but accepting that it is legitimate and doing what’s needed to get rid of it.

    This guilt has been with us since the 18th century, it has been remarkably stable and only grows in strength, it showed up well before the Jews. 1500 years of Christian civilization – no guilt, despite violence, conquest, etc. Then, the moment the West develops these philosophies like individualism, materialism, mechanistic civilization, harsh competition, survival of the fittest – voila, “pathological” guilt!

    I think the fantasy of magicking it away through “realizing” its all a mistake is s fools dream – at some point you have to accept the guilt is deserved. Its not going away.

    The Lefts way of dealing with the guilt – through masochistic self hatred, is if anything more retarded and will lead to the non-white cultures acquiring a heavy burden of guilt.

    This “guilt” isn’t some terrible catastrophe not is it particularly hard or mysterious yo get rid of – and it certainly doesn’t require white self hatred or madochism.

    All it takes is admitting 500 years ago the West took a wrong turn – and correcting it. That’s it. As long as no actual correction takes place, the guilt will stay, and thoughtful and sensitive whites will continue to defect.

    As long as the West keeps on producing things like HBD, Evolution, theories of competition, materialism – the guilt will not be “magicked” away. The more these monstrosities are the charactetistic products of the West, the more Steve Sailers and Anatoly Karlins are the Seats distinctive product, were screwed.

    And this is universal – China seems to be taking a massive wrong turn and I bet in a few decades will be wracked with self hatred and nihilism as well.

    The moment the West turns away from these things the self hatred, the masochism, etc, will stop.

    Sorry for the sermon I can’t help myself :)

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @Malla
    , @denk
  154. Joe Wong says:
    @PiltdownMan

    Younghusband: The Last Great Imperial Adventurer is a fabrication and a typical European colonial era fiction to gloss over the White supremacy.

    The book said “Sir Francis Younghusband was the last of the great imperialists—a dashing adventurer, who in 1903 single-handedly invaded Tibet, wiped out its entire army.” In fact the British force invaded Tibet twice with great cost, both of them with a large expeditionary force of more than 5000 strong armed with cannon and machine guns against the patriotic Tibetan people resisting the British invaders with primitive weapons like Zulus. British gained control of Tibet was not because Francis Younghusband wiped out Tibetan entire army single-handedly, but because the weak Manchurian Qing court suppressed the local resistance and handed Tibet to the British after the Opium Wars.

    During the early 19th century, many Anglo and Europeans wrote about China out of their fanatic missionary Christian cult imagination because they do not know Chinese, Edward Harper Parker and Patrick French are the examples. Those writings formed the core Western understanding of Chinese and its civilization, those writings formed the basis of Orientalism.

    People like Edward Harper Parker and Patrick French were basically unscrupulous thugs and swindlers.

  155. @Jeff Stryker

    Again, you’re avoiding the fact that you ran away from the West and are involved with Asian poontang, thus a complete degenerate.

    I’m actually quite urban. I was a raised a post-Vatican II, Roman Catholic, who discovered the Latin Mass and attended such a church until the day black/Asian priests filed into the church.

    I graduated from a Jesuit university and speak German and Spanish. I studied at the University of Vienna. Again, a completely Western, Christian upbringing and living.

    No Asian women can ever be like me because she is Asian. Even if she spoke European languages and attended European schools, she is not Western.

    You have serious mental issues with being white. The Midwest is not full of “hillbillies.” The Northeast is very degenerate. Also, the USA is a very mobile society. People are not locked into their circumstances. They can change them. Your attacks on white women in particular incurred a rebuttal from another commentator a couple of weeks ago. You chose Asia. Fine. But don’t attack whites. Attacking whites is all you do. And you attack them, because the majority will never approve of what you did. You’re looking for approval of your racial degeneracy.

    I can attack Asians because I live in the West and Asians do not belong in the West.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  156. denk says:
    @Dana Thompson

    It seems for every fukus R2p[lunder] project, there’d be HOllywood big shots eager to lend their celebrity halo to promote fukus cause.
    [Richard Gere, Brad Pitt, George Cooney, Jovi.....etc etc]
    Ever wonder why nobody has ever taken up the cudgel for the ‘unpeople’ who have no voice….Chagosians, Okinawans, Jeju villagers, Iraq DU victims, ….?

    https://www.workers.org/ww/tibet1204.html

  157. denk says:
    @Malla

    TAM ‘massacre’,

    Brutal repression in Tibet,

    Brutal repression in Xinjiang,

    Brutal repression of ‘dissidents’…

    Chinese hackers stripping murikkans bare,

    Here’s the latest,
    1000000 uIghurs rotting in Chinese gulags !

    This is no way to promote the ‘new host‘ as you suggest…

    P.S.
    as for your vid, broken records much ?

    hhhhhh

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
  158. Joe Wong says:
    @Anonymous

    European including their offshoots American, Aussie, etc. became rich and powerful through imperialism, colonialism, selling opium, religious indoctrination of the conquered, ethnic cleansing, genocide, slavery, racial discrimination, regime change, weapons trade, shock and awe, skillful propaganda, etc. in Asia and around the world, but the Europeans called themselves the God chosen one and they were sent to Asia as savior to save the savages, despite Asia was more advanced and prosper than the Europe then.

    Asian has to be an European’s savior in order to return European’s favor as they are in deep trouble with Muslim.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @sb
    , @Jeff Stryker
    , @Malla
    , @Malla
  159. AaronB says:
    @AaronB

    There is s coda I wanted to add, Malla –

    The only true freedom lies in frivolity – not taking this absurd world seriously.

    This is the essence of religion, I believe – the Buddha preached detachment. All this means is to not take anything seriously.

    But people couldn’t stand that, so they made it into this big thing about effort enlightenment blah blah, “becoming” a Buddha, etc.

    See through the nonsense.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Intelligent Dasein
  160. Joe Wong says:
    @Dana Thompson

    Please read comment No. 125 for what Tibet was like when it was ruled by the current Dalai Lama

  161. Logan says:
    @lulu

    All quite true. At least the part about conditions in Tibet.

    “Free Tibet” has of course two possible meanings:
    1. Individual freedom for the Tibetan people from domestic or foreign oppression.
    2. Freedom or autonomy for Tibet, which of course as is usual in human history simply allowed the people to be oppressed by natives rather than foreigners.

    The difference is illustrated, in spectacularly ahistorical fashion, by the movie Braveheart.

    Freedom for Scotland did not mean freedom for the Scots commoners, who were under the thumb of their Scots overlords. It meant freedom for Scotland from English rule.

    And of course while it’s under Chinese rule Tibet has little to no chance of becoming free in sense 1.

    • Replies: @DB Cooper
  162. anon[322] • Disclaimer says:

    NYTimes just had an explosive article on Rod Rosenstein. The weasel actually wanted to secretly record Trump to invoke the 25th amendment after he convinced Trump to fire Comey. Jeff Sessions has no excuse not to step up. Trump needs to fire them all – Sessions, Rosenstein, Mueller, Ohr, Wray, Nielsen, Kelly, Bolton, Haley, Pompeo, Mattis, Javanka — drain the swamp once and for all!

    Derbyshire and Coulter both need to wake the hell up and stop defending Sessions. He is weak and worthless. You can’t fix immigration until you’ve drained the swamp, and Trump will not be able to drain the swamp with spineless Sessions as his AG. Replace him with Kris Kobach, now!

  163. Talha says:
    @Malla

    That Maula song was very deep – do you understand Urdu/Hindi at that level? I ask because I’ve met Indians that actually don’t speak much Hindi.

    First time hearing it, but it sounds like a Sufi qawwali (at least in origin).

    Also very crazy to see a Chinese-looking guy singing flawlessly with no accent.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
    , @Malla
  164. DB Cooper says:
    @jilles dykstra

    Talking about the FLYING TIGERS Chennault he married a young Chinese girl when he was in the war time Chinese capital Chong Qing. After the war the couple moved back to the states and his wife is quite a go-getter and later became quite active in the upper echelon of the Republican party circles especially with those old ‘China Hand’ types. I forgot how I know it but her connection land this guy a job as the director of the US Mint.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_C._Moy

    One time I went to a Chinese restaurant and saw some pictures framed on a wall and I took a closer look. Turns out its she with the restaurant owner. Besides those pictures is some hand writing written by her put in a frame and it basically says the food of the restaurant is very good. One thing that struck in my memory is how lousy her penmanship is. It looks like the handicraft of a six years old. I don’t think she is very educated based on her handwritings.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
    , @lulu
  165. DB Cooper says:
    @Logan

    Chinese people don’t oppress like the English. Call it oriental inscrutability if you will. Anyway you should go to South Tibet and tell the Tibetans there that they should free themselves from Indian oppression.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
  166. Malla says:
    @Joe Wong

    European including their offshoots American, Aussie, etc. became rich and powerful through imperialism, colonialism, selling opium, religious indoctrination of the conquered, ethnic cleansing, genocide, slavery, racial discrimination, regime change, weapons trade, shock and awe, skillful propaganda, etc. in Asia and around the world, but the Europeans called themselves the God chosen one and they were sent to Asia as savior to save the savages, despite Asia was more advanced and prosper than the Europe then.

    Europe became rich thanks to the Industrial revolution, innovation and having a high IQ highly productive workforce.

    • Replies: @Joe Wong
  167. Malla says:
    @DB Cooper

    Chinese people don’t oppress like the English.

    Most people in the world are more capable of oppressing more than the English.

    • Replies: @denk
  168. Malla says:
    @Talha

    do you understand Urdu/Hindi at that level? I ask because I’ve met Indians that actually don’t speak much Hindi.

    To an extent. I actually like Urdu more than Hindi. Urdu is more flowery and beutiful to my ears. Ex Chief Justice of India Markanday Katju, a Kashmiri Brahmin had said in an interview that it is in Urdu that a man can express his deep feelings the best.

    Also very crazy to see a Chinese-looking guy singing flawlessly with no accent.

    He is born in India and lived here all his life. He has an Indian citizenship and most consider him an Indian even though his ancestors were Chinese. Also during the Indian Idol show, he used to regularly get the female vote, most girls voted for him by phone. And he has acted in some Bollywood movies too.
    However during the Indo Chinese war of 1962, ethnic Chinese in India, were interned by the Indian government like how Japanese Americans were interned in the USA during WW2.

    but it sounds like a Sufi qawwali (at least in origin).

    It most probably is a Sufi Qawwali in origin.

    • Replies: @Talha
  169. Malla says:
    @AaronB

    Thanks a million for your sermon and making me horizontal and this time literally. I was lying in my bed having deep thoughts.

    The only true freedom lies in frivolity – not taking this absurd world seriously.

    Yes that is the Buddhist and in some way the Hindu thought. The world is an illusion. Similar to Echart Tolle’s philosophy. The world is there to frustrate you so that you see the light and learn to detach.

    Judaism however tells Jews to stick to the world and ‘make it a better place’. It is their ‘making a better place and watering the flower’ which scares me.

  170. Lemme guess… Younghusband is pronounced “yemen”. Right?

  171. Malla says:
    @denk

    A big Kabuki play, denk. An Opera. A big stage to fool the world with fake cold wars. But all under the control of Satanic bankers.
    You watch Japanese Kabuki plays and Chinese/Western Opera shows, denk?

    hehehehe

    • Replies: @denk
  172. Malla says:
    @Talha

    I ask because I’ve met Indians that actually don’t speak much Hindi.

    South Indians or North East Indians. Tamils, one of the South Indians hate Hindi, they would prefer English to Hindi. They are afraid of North Indian cultural colonialism via Hindi. If you go to Chennai (formerly Madras), the capital of Tamil Nadu state and speak in Hindi to a Taxi Driver, he will torture you, take you to wrong place, over charge you. People may not respond to you if you speak in Hindi. Safer to use English.

    • Replies: @Talha
  173. Malla says:
    @DB Cooper

    Chinese people don’t oppress like the English.

    Like the Dzungar genocide

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzungar_genocide

    The Dzungar genocide was the mass extermination of the Mongol Buddhist Dzungar people, sometimes referred as “Zunghars”, at the hands of the Manchu[2] Qing dynasty of China and the Uyghurs of Xinjiang. The Qianlong Emperor ordered the genocide due to the rebellion in 1755 by Dzungar leader Amursana against Qing rule, after the dynasty first conquered the Dzungar Khanate with Amursana’s support. The genocide was perpetrated by Manchu generals of the Qing army sent to crush the Dzungars, supported by allies and vassals like Uyghur leader Khoja Emin due to the Uyghurs revolt against Dzungar rule.

    The Dzungars were a confederation of several Tibetan Buddhist Oirat Mongols tribes that emerged suddenly in the early 17th century. The Dzungar Khanate was the last great nomadic empire in Asia. Some scholars estimate that about 80% of the Dzungar population, or around 500,000 to 800,000 people, were killed by a combination of warfare and disease during or after the Qing conquest in 1755–1757.[3][4] After wiping out the native population of Dzungaria, the Qing government then resettled Han, Hui, Uyghur, and Xibe people on state farms in Dzungaria along with Manchu Bannermen to repopulate the area.

    Or the
    Suppression of the Jinchuan hill peoples (1747–49, 1771–76)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Great_Campaigns#Suppression_of_the_Jinchuan_hill_peoples_(1747–49,_1771–76)

    The suppression of the Jinchuan Tibetans was the costliest and most difficult, and also the most destructive of the Ten Great Campaigns. Jinchuan (lit. “Golden Stream”) was located northwest of Chengdu in western Sichuan. The tribal peoples there were related to the Tibetans of Amdo. The first campaign in 1747–1749 was a simple affair; with little use of force the Qing army induced the native chieftains to accept a peace plan, and departed.

    Interethnic conflict brought Qing intervention back after 20 years. The result was the Qing forces being forced to fight a protracted war of attrition costing the Imperial Treasury several times the amounts expended on the earlier conquests of the Dzungars and Xinjiang. The resisting tribes retreated to their stone towers and forts in steep mountains and could only be dislodged by cannon fire. The Qing generals were ruthless in annihilating the local Tibetans, then reorganised the region in a military prefecture and repopulated it with more cooperative inhabitants.[2] When victorious troops returned to Beijing, a celebratory hymn was sung in their honour. A Manchu version of the hymn was recorded by the French Jesuit Jean Joseph Marie Amiot and sent to Paris.[3]

    • Replies: @DB Cooper
  174. Malla says:
    @AaronB

    and will lead to the non-white cultures acquiring a heavy burden of guilt.

    LOL Aaron, I would not count on that. Non Whites and guilt!!!! Very unlikely. Maybe the Japanese upto some extent or other North East Asians. Browns and Blacks. A few of us maybe but not the majority.

  175. Talha says:
    @Malla

    Urdu is extremely poetic. Just using that term “Mawla” to refer to God has so much hidden meaning.

    he used to regularly get the female vote,

    Not surprising. Besides having an extraordinary voice, he is also photogenic.

    Pretty cool, thanks for introducing him to us.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
  176. Talha says:
    @Malla

    Exactly the impression I got from certain Indians…India is really a lot like Europe in some senses…seems to me to be just LARPing at actually being a single nation.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Malla
  177. Joe Wong says:
    @Malla

    This is what the White said about India. India is in the form of radical militant Hinduism which is the world’s most Degenerated, Duplicitous, and Debauched nation to have ever existed – carnage is happening today in India the likes of which has not been seen in thousands of years. When India and Pakistan were born and in its aftermath 100 million were killed and many more were displaced by the fascist Hindutva fanatics. India is the only caste system nation in the world that abuses human beings by birth, e.g. the higher caste can gang rape lower caste and lynch the victim afterwards as one of the caste privileges.

    The Anglo said London had an obligation to return to the subcontinent to prevent carnage and postpone the independence process till civility returned to the region.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
  178. Malla says:
    @DB Cooper

    You will never read this is main stream media. Free South Tibet from the Indian rapists!

    Western media is scared to criticize the Indian Government. A BBC chorrespondent in India had said in an interview that they had strict orders not to criticize the Indian government.

  179. @AaronB

    This is the essence of religion, I believe – the Buddha preached detachment. All this means is to not take anything seriously.

    I’m sorry but this is very incorrect.

    The Buddha, beginning from the seldom acknowledged starting point of the extremely materialist and atheistic Sankhya philosophy, developed a rather exacting system of disciplines for quickly bringing about the complete extinction of the will. The goal of Buddhism is nothing less than the total and literal unmaking of the world. The adherent strives first to undo himself by putting an end to the domino effect of causality that operates within and around him. He does this through a process of radical negation and asceticism, by fasting and abstinence, my mortification of the flesh, and by a rigorous process of meditation even unto death. In this way he purifies his “karma” (involvement with things) and erases himself from existence.

    But there is more. The Buddhist believes that by putting an end to causal chains, he is producing “runs” in the tapestry of the world that will eventually result in its total unweaving. That is the object of all Buddhist activity—the complete absorption of everything into Atman, into nothingness. For the Buddhist, “compassion” means only this, i.e. the breaking of causal chains leading to involvement, which increases the advance of The Nothing.

    Do not mistake the ruthless logic of this system for “chicken soup for the soul.” The true Buddhist conforms himself to nothingness; he is the avatar and crusader of nothingness. It’s not that he doesn’t take the world seriously, but that he fights the apparent reality of it tooth and nail. Any other reading of Buddhism—which only a dilettante would ever compare with Christianity—is a product of the sophistry of late Western cult-tasting and is not really religious in any sense whatsoever.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  180. Malla says:
    @Joe Wong

    This is what the White said about India. India is in the form of radical militant Hinduism which is the world’s most Degenerated, Duplicitous, and Debauched nation to have ever existed – carnage is happening today in India the likes of which has not been seen in thousands of years. When India and Pakistan were born and in its aftermath 100 million were killed and many more were displaced by the fascist Hindutva fanatics. India is the only caste system nation in the world that abuses human beings by birth, e.g. the higher caste can gang rape lower caste and lynch the victim afterwards as one of the caste privileges.

    And yet your Chinese ancestors took so much from us degenerated, duplicitious and debauched Hindus. Chinese scholars came to India to get Indian texts but Indian scholers would find it funny to go to mleccha China to gain knowledge.
    Hu Shih, former Ambassador of China to USA once said “India conquered and dominated China culturally for 20 centuries without ever having to send a single soldier across her border.”

    According to the ancient Indians, Chinese like all foreigners were barbarians or Mlecchas.

    The great Hindu text Mahabharata, Book 6, chapter 9 (MBh.6.9) mentions like this:-
    Among the tribes of the north are the Mlecchas (lowly uncivilised Barbarians), and the Kruras, the Yavanas, the Chinas, the Kamvojas, the Darunas, and many Mleccha tribes; the Sukritvahas, the Kulatthas, the Hunas, and the Parasikas; the Ramanas, and the Dasamalikas. Chinas were mentioned along with Chivukas and Pulindas and Khasas, Hunas, Pahlavas, Sakas, Yavanas, Savaras, Paundras, Kiratas, Kanchis, Dravidas, Sinhalasand Keralas.

    But what can we superior civilised Hindus expect from lowly Chinese Han barbabrians.

  181. Malla says:
    @Talha

    It may be LARPing but it is one polity today. Except North Easteners (Nagas, Sikkim, Mizoram etc..), Kashmiris and some Sikhs, most Indians are happy with the Union and do not want it destroyed. Tamils do not want an independent Tamil homeland. There are some who speak of independent Dravida homeland in South but these concepts are not popular at all.

    • Replies: @Talha
  182. Malla says:
    @Joe Wong

    The Anglo said London had an obligation to return to the subcontinent to prevent carnage and postpone the independence process till civility returned to the region.

    LOL, Joe, the Anglo must first get independence from their Jewish banking elites and make London Anglo again. Parts of London feels like India. Anglos themselves have to get independence from foreigners like Indians and Arabs and blacks before they can think of coming to India and improving the place.

    Besides I would not suggest Whiteys to bring back colonialism as it is expensive. As Ask the Americans. The Anglos lost more money in Empire than it was worth.

  183. Malla says:
    @Talha

    Pretty cool, thanks for introducing him to us.

    Welcome and Peace

  184. Malla says:
    @Talha

    Not surprising. Besides having an extraordinary voice, he is also photogenic.

    Hehehe. I wonder if you know Alisha Chinoy, the female Indian pop singer who sang that song ‘Made in India’ many years ago.

    Well she was one of the judges of Indian Idol when Menyang Chang was a contestant. He was her favourite and at times she would even flirt with him, even tho he was much younger than her.

  185. DB Cooper says:
    @Malla

    What I mean is that Chinese people don’t oppress for religious or ethnic reasons. I never said Chinese people are not capable of violence, especially political violence. The things you mentioned are political violence in nature and have nothing to do with religion and ethnicity. Amdo Tibetans have a reputation of fiercely independent and don’t answer to any political establishment, even the Lhasa government. They were nomadic and is considered ‘wild’ by the Lhasa Tibetans. They have a history of fighting the Tibetan Lhasa government. Many of the Qing emperor themselves were Tibetan Buddhist.

    • Replies: @Malla
  186. Malla says:
    @denk

    The Western elite’s love for commies.
    One example
    In 1946 Soviet jet engine designers approached Stalin with a request to buy jet designs from Western sources to overcome design difficulties. Stalin is said to have replied: “What fool will sell us his secrets?” However, he gave his assent to the proposal, and Soviet scientists and designers travelled to the United Kingdom to meet Stafford Cripps and request the engines. To Stalin’s amazement, Cripps and the Labour government were perfectly willing to provide technical information on the Rolls-Royce Nene centrifugal-flow jet engine designed by RAF officer Frank Whittle, along with discussions of a licence to manufacture Nene engines. The Nene engine was promptly reverse-engineered and produced in modified form as the Soviet Klimov VK-1 jet engine, later incorporated into the MiG-15 which flew in time to deploy in combat against UN forces in North Korea in 1950, causing the loss of several B-29 bombers and cancellation of their daylight bombing missions over North Korea.

    “Anglos are fools, shoot arrow at own foot” so says Stalin, the cunning Georgian criminal.

  187. sb says:
    @Joe Wong

    Europeans and their kin got rich because they were explorers,adventurers,inventors , entrepreneurs etc etc …

    They were both smart and risktakers.
    NorthEast Asians are just smart.

    ..

    • Replies: @Joe Wong
    , @Anonymous
  188. @DB Cooper

    Is it possible that she knows quite well how to write Chinese ?
    Thousands of letters.
    I met a Chinese in the Netherlands, they run a chinese take away, decent, hard working people, three generations at work.
    The children are proud on being bi lingual, the grandfather proud on Chinese, far more letters, characters, than the Korean language.
    I began to speak to them when the grandfather was helping his granddaughter with her German.
    Alas, maybe a year or so later, I asked how her German was, not good, she answered.
    German indeed is a complicated language, far more than Dutch, what is also not easy.
    English speaking persons hardly ever realise how simple English is.
    Arabic, for example, far more complicated than any European language.

  189. @attilathehen

    I left the Midwest because it is full of townies like you who are unworldly and coarse whose standard of living has plummeted like a far in a space suit for economic and social reasons.

    I would not have cared who my female partner was because I simply wanted out. The Midwest and Rust belt is a toilet bowl and I did not want to live in Phoenix either.

    In fact, I could not stomach living in the United States at all around white women like you have tramp stamps and expose their mid-riffs when they are 20 pounds overweight and watch silly Reality TV shows.

    You don’t hear me complaining that Jews run my life or my mind has been rotted out by Hollywood. that is because I live off the grid overseas.

    Some white males who never had much of a reason to love the US to begin with go overseas simply because they can have a better standard of living.

    White women rare overseas. The last one I spent a night with was an ex-Navy woman working as a deckhand on a commercial vessel who docked Cebu for a weekend and she came into my girly bar. Having not been intimate with a white woman in 15 years previous to that I took her to my villa after she got drunk in my bar.

    But there are very few white women in Asia. None of them live there by choice. No matter how bad the US gets, white women are more or less stuck there. You are not like white males who can simply pack a bag and move to another country and will be happier.

    So you see, I’m not overseas because of Asian sex partners. I live here because the Midwest sucks.

    I do not have to ride public transport and worry about “chimp outs” or when a brawl will break out in Popeye’s.

    I actually was able to make more (Or about the same) money abroad as I could have in the United States so why should I give a shit?

    Since I don’t want to be around whiggers or whigger sluts, or Cholos, or screeching 250 pound black women, or Hood Rats of a bunch of short guys in funny hats who apparently run the country from Brooklyn.

    Tell me, since I can eke out a living anywhere, what the US offers a white man like me?

    Certainly not a decent sex partner.

    Now don’t get me wrong, you Polish girls (I THINK you are Polish Catholic or Slav from inference) have nice exotic cheekbones and lovely figures in the glory of youth. You actually look good into middle age.

    But your expectations are high. And a white man like me just cannot be bothered, if you can dig that, to work his ass off for that .

    A good number of white men just think they don’t get enough out of the US to hang around.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
    , @Truth
  190. @Joe Wong

    That must explain why Mainland Chinese were the original boat people swimming to Hong Kong when it was a British colony.

    Not to mention all those Chinese who would sail for 10 months on a boat to work on US railroads.

    Come to think of it, Chinese are still climbing over their own mothers to immigrate to Australia or Canada (US is a little passe now).

    That explains it. The silk route.

  191. Malla says:
    @Talha

    Have you heard of this Englishwoman who sings Hindi/Urdu Songs, Tanya Wells.

    Check out her rendition of Ore Piya

    Clear, crisp beautiful soulful soft singing. Of course this song was sung very well by the great Pakistani singer Rahat Fateh Ali Khan Sahab, my favourite singer because his voice can express emotions with all its nuances the best.
    Now here comes the interesting part. Rahat Fateh Ali Khan’s uncle Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan sang this great song, Afreen.
    The interesting part is this.
    The word ‘Piya’ from the song (Ore Piya) above which you very well know in Hindi and Urdu means ‘beloved, loved one’ and comes from Sanskrit term ‘Priya’. The interesting thing is Piya, Priya and Persian ‘Afreen’ are related as they all come from the ancient Aryan languages of Europe, North India, ancient Hittites, ancient Tocharians,Persia and Afghanistan (Dari, Pashtu). But Tanya Well’s Anglo Saxon ancestors were in this too. The pre Christian Anglo Saxon Norse Germanic Goddess of love was called ‘Freya’ connected to the ancient Sanskrit Vedic ‘Priya’ (the beautiful Vedic primordial Goddess of Dawn) all having same Aryan roots. The fifth day of the week, ‘Friday’ is named after Goddess Freya, Godess of love and similar to Roman Venus. That is why Friday in Romance languages like French is called ‘Vendredi’ after goddess Venus, Roman Goddess of love and ‘Sukrawar’ in North Indian languages, after Sukra, the Indian God of love. The word for Friday in most Romance languages is derived from Latin dies Veneris or “day of Venus”, Venus the Roman Freya. Freya=Venus=Sukra. I wonder if anybody told Tanya Wells this fact. Priya is a common female name among Hindus.

    From

    https://authenticgathazoroastrianism.org/2017/03/06/frya-or-love-in-the-gathas-old-norse-freya-and-frigg/

    “In the ancient Persian poetic gathas, fryá is the personification of “love.” Intense feeling of passion/love appears as fryá, fryái and fryö in the sacred poetry of the gathas. Fryán “lovely, free” appears as a personal name in Yasna 46.12, 2nd rhymed verse line of the gathic songs.

    Avestan fryá “lovely, dear and free” is cognate with the reconstructed Proto Germanic friyō “Lovely,” Old Norse frī “beloved,” and Old Norse Frigg, “the wife of Odin/Woden,” and Vedic priyá.

    Modern Persian áfrin “blessing, divine favor” is derived from the same ancient root. The English weekday Friday is named after Norse goddess Frigg, and Old High German Frîja, who was the northern equivalent of Venus. In Rig Veda 1.46.1, the beautiful Dawn goddess is called priyá.”

    In Norse Mythology frigg is the goddess of love. Frigg bore Baldur the personification of light whose death will initiate a series of apocalyptic events leading to Ragnarök or twilight of the Gods.

    The relationship of the divine to mortals is expressed in the term fryá or friiá “love” in the gathas. The divine epithet Fryá “love, intense passion” comes in close connection with the supreme god of “Inspiration, Creativity, Imagination, Mind Power Mazdá and the brilliance of the cosmic order ašá/arthá in the gathas.”

    Crazy small world this.

    • Replies: @Truth
  192. Malla says:
    @Joe Wong

    LOL by Communist brother Joe, China is doing the colonising. Ironic is it not?

    South Africa “”Youth Leader” Julius Malema Doesn’t Want China Colonising Africa

    China is slowly taking over the Caribbean and Africa. Exposed !!!

    Africa We Have a PROBLEM!! #China #ChineseTakeover Dr. Mumbi Show

    Is Zambia China’s 1st African Colony?? Dr. Mumbi Show

    Chinese man caught on video insulting Kenyan President Uhuru calling Kenyans monkeys, to be deported

    China is becoming rich and powerful through imperialism, colonialism, linguistic indoctrination of the conquered, racial discrimination, skillful propaganda, etc. in Africa.

  193. Malla says:
    @Joe Wong

    Lets see what African brothas and sisters are saying about communist china colonialists.

    black African poster Davidson Vincent writes
    “I used to think that China is being kind to Africa but now I think differently. Africa really needs to wake up!”

    black African poster Raya Xoxo writes
    “We should start anti Chinese movement in Africa”

    black African poster Dze Hoi writes
    “China no get debt forgiveness ; China will seize the continent for 99 years and make Africans slaves. Western slavery that we have not recovered from will look like eating jollof rice..”

    black African poster Toks Banks writes
    “By the time African leaders will wake up from their Naivety and foolishness, China would have owned the whole African. Then African will need another Independent from China. Fools, all they could see is free money”

    • Replies: @denk
  194. Talha says:
    @Malla

    I’ll agree, on the whole, India definitely has major support from most of its various people as being advantageous over dissolution.

    I hadn’t heard of Tanya Wells, quite interesting and talented.

    Much thanks for the insights on the linguistic connections between the various cultures – wow!

    Peace.

  195. Malla says:
    @DB Cooper

    What I mean is that Chinese people don’t oppress for religious or ethnic reasons

    No ethnic reasons?? Mongol Dzungars were an ethnic group nearly wiped out.

    Religious reasons. Now that is something I like about the Chinese and East Asians in general. Very few religious wars compared to the rest of the world. That is mostly because of the absence of Abrahamic faiths and Brahmanical faiths. Confucianism, Shinto, Taoism, Buddhism, Shamanism etc… got along much well with each other compared to the other regions of the world. Also maybe because North East Asians are more high IQ and tendency towards civility in mannerisms.

    • Replies: @DB Cooper
  196. Yee says:

    Jeff Stryker,

    I can’t understand why you keep bringing up this “Chinese emigrate to the US” question. They do it for the same reason your grandfather did it.

    It’s normal for people to move to a richer coutry if they have a choice.

    This emigrating question doesn’t refute the fact that most of the rich countries today were the colonists in the past few centuries. The Eight Countries Alliance that invaded China were: Britain, France, US, Germany, Czarist Russia, Italy, Austro-Hungary, Japan.

    Wealth comes from natural resources plus labor. Everything in your daily life comes from nature, plus labour. Food and clothes come from soil; chair and table comes from forest; plastic box comes from oil; cars and TV and smartphones come from a combination of mineral, oil, sand etc.; no matter how many layers of processing needed for a product, it all starts from natural resources and labor. And those were what the colonist took from their colony by force.

    Why do you want to deny this?

  197. Vojkan says:

    I confess that my initial opinion of the Dalai Lama was a sort of a Pavlovian reflex. A guy so praised by liberals and ‘human rights’ groups can’t be good. I’m proven wrong.
    It takes unwavering honesty and courage to refuse being instrumentalised by audiences that pander to him but hold exactly opposite opinions.

  198. KenH says:
    @Truth

    Territory Senators don’t vote.

    I realize that but if they are granted statehood then they would have two senate seats and several seats in the lower chamber based on their population.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  199. AaronB says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Thanks for your reply, Dasein.

    A few quibbles –

    1) Buddha preached the Middle Way, not extreme asceticism. He rejected the extreme asceticism of his contemporaries. The reason is that extreme asceticism develops the will as much as indulgence.

    2) Buddhist compassion seems based on a sense of the underlying unity of everything (“nothing” is conceptually the same as “everything”. Each individual thing is defined by its attributes. If there is no “thing”, everything us One). Self seeking makes no sense if there is no other.

    3) The Nothingness of Buddhism is a bit of a tricky concept – it’s not mere negation. Buddhists say you must not get attached to Nothingness as another “thing” – i.e a clearly comprehensible concept that you can then settle down in and cling to for comfort. Buddha also said he is neither an eternalist nor an annihilationalist.

    If you “understand” Nothingness (as mere absence), it isn’t Nothingness – you are clinging to a concept.

    The problem with negation is that in a way it is the same thing as affirmation. If you are negating, you are really affirming (clinging to a one sided view). That’s why the Middle Way is neither negation nor affirmation, neither asceticism nor indulgence (although by our standards it us asceticism).

    4) I generally agree with your analysis – that is more or less how many schools of Buddhism think, however Buddhists try to “undo” this world in favor of a better world that is so utterly beyond the categories of this world as to be inconceivable (Nothing that is yet Something).

    5) My take on Buddhism is that the way it later developed was a misunderstanding – people want to cling to “something”, so they made it into this elaborate positive system of accomplishment. The true message was too radical.

    Mahayana Buddhism later tried to restore this original message, and then when that too got converted into a system of effort and accomplishment, Chan/Zen tried a third time to restore the radical simplicity of the original message.

    Zen also got converted into an “effort based” system in due time, though it always kept traces of its original non-striving message.

    6) Religion in general seems based on a radical seeing-through the physical world – the world apprehensible to our senses. Doctrines differ, but they all share this core sense that “the world” isn’t so important.

    Of course, most religion them posit what is important and worth striving for – it is my somewhat eccentric take that this is a later overlay, and that the core of religion is Detachment and Mystery.

    But I definitely understand if others want something more positive to sink their teeth into.

  200. KenH says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Show me any white Supremacist who wants to live in Israel or Mexico?

    That was the point I was making that you missed. Blacks complain endlessly about white pepo and “white racism” but do all they can to move in to white locales and live next to whites when they get the chance. Other non-white groups have various complaints against white people and America yet either won’t return to the their land of origin if they’re here or are the first to get in line for an American visa or scam the system by claiming asylum or posing as a refugee to gain entry.

    So called white supremacists, race realists or white nationalists may complain about Jews and non-whites but don’t seek to live next to them if they can help it or emigrate to their nations.

    If Puerto Rico is no longer a territory they will become illegal aliens anyhow.

    Only if the U.S. rescinds territory status and U.S. citizenship of Puerto Ricans living on the island which we should do but probably won’t do since Jewish buttheads in the media would howl racism and white supremacy. None of this is under serious consideration.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  201. @Yee

    YEE

    You’ve got me there, as I would say to my Yunnan wife.

    However, it has to be said that Europeans created legal systems of law that have remained intact for 200 years in Singapore or Hong Kong so not everything the whites brought to East Asia was detrimental.

    I’m a white man who has lived in Asia for most of his life; you know this about me. You also know that my children are (half) ethnic Chinese and go to Chinese schools and that I am familiar with your society because I exist in it.

    The fact of the matter is that white contributions to East Asia were a mixed bag. The Portuguese and Spanish were totally useless and brought nothing but corruption.

    The Northern Europeans brought a mixed-bag. Chinese, as always, found kept the element of value (English systems of law) and discarded the rest (Including the English themselves).

    Of course whites absorbed much of your cultural contributions (Right down to the gun and the compass and everything else invented in China).

    But I cannot sit here and listen to Chinese men label us useless colonists that contributed zero to the Far East as a civilization.

  202. @Yee

    YEE

    You’ve known me for years across blogs and time and space and you are aware that I live in an ethnic Chinese community and that my children are half ethnic Chinese. You know my entire story.

    You cannot compare the English to the Japanese, a race of mindless rapacious barbarians who did nothing but steal your culture for 1,000 years and then repay you with war crimes.

    Northern Europeans have been a mixed-bag. Some (though of course not all) of what they brought was useful and you have stuck with it. Our simplistic systems of law without the huge bureaucracy of Chinese emperors worked, so you have retained them. Much as the whites have retained the compass or the gun.

    Portuguese were utterly useless and brought nothing to China. The Dutch were useless and brought nothing to Taiwan and the natives were grateful when you got rid of them.

    But the English introduced a few things you have stuck with.

    • Replies: @Malla
  203. Malla says:
    @Yee

    By that logic Portugal and Spain would have been the richest countries of Europe but only some years back were second world countries in Europe. Finland with no colonies would have been a poor backwater. China was not colonized as India but average Chinese were just as poor as average Indians at the end of WW2. Thailand and Iran was hardly colonized and their people are not much richer at the end of WW2.
    Besides the Afghans under Ahmed Shah Abdali looted millions of dollars worth of booty from their invasion of India. What innovation did they give out of this looted wealth? The Dahomey in (today’s Benin) Africa continuously conquered it’s neighbouring tribes, what innovation did they give us?

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
    , @Vojkan
  204. Malla says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    You cannot compare the English to the Japanese, a race of mindless rapacious barbarians

    LOL The Japanese are not barbarians. Far more civilised than most populations on Earth. Their war crimes were blown out of proportion.

  205. DB Cooper says:
    @Malla

    “No ethnic reasons?? Mongol Dzungars were an ethnic group nearly wiped out.” The fact that the Mongol Dzungars were an ethnic group is incidental and not the reason they were bein wiped out. So why were they being wiped out? You have already said it. Here is what you said.

    “The Qianlong Emperor ordered the genocide due to the rebellion in 1755 by Dzungar leader Amursana against Qing rule,…”

    In other words any group that do the same thing as the Mongol Dzungars (rebel) will get the same response from Qing. This is an act of political violence and not ethnic oppression.

    • Replies: @Malla
  206. Silva says:
    @Malla

    … I can imagine 2 meanings to this (both funny!). Can you clarify whether you like his posts?

    • Replies: @Malla
  207. Yee says:

    Jeff Stryker,

    Please don’t sink to the level of Indians who defend colonialism by saying people being colonized should be grateful because the colonists brought some good to them.

    This is like a rapist telling his victim she should be grateful he gave her a child, even if she love the child. I can’t believe you buy such rubbish.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Jeff Stryker
  208. Malla says:
    @Yee

    It’s normal for people to move to a richer coutry if they have a choice.

    This emigrating question doesn’t refute the fact that most of the rich countries today were the colonists in the past few centuries.

    Don’t go by these false theories friend. You may get the opposite impression but I admire Chinese culture. These false theories will open up the floodgates of black migration into China in the future and China will get negrified/brownified and become a permanent shithole never to emerge out of shitholery till the end of time. Already the blacks in Africa have started chimpouting about China looting Africa, this will most probably increase in the future.
    You Chinese do not need these theories against the West anymore. Taiwan, HongKong/Macau and Singapore are first world lands and China is improving in standard of living with breakneck speed. Japan and South Korea already developed nearby. These stupid false theories which were a balm in the past of hurt ego vis a vis West or Japan are not needed anymore. They WILL be used against you and your descendants in the future.
    If the White world gets negrified/brownified, East Asia will be the last hope of civilized mankind and future technological world. And such Jew created theories will sound the death knell of North East Asia too.

  209. Malla says:
    @Silva

    I do not agree with all of what he says but I learn a lot from him. Makes me see history, reality, cycles of civilization, religion, culture etc… in a novel way. It was not sarcasm if that is what you meant. It was serious.
    Yes his ideology of accepting the world as it is, is polar opposite to my vertical ways. So when I read his posts, my vertical ways get grinded down a bit. Or you can say I become the Leaning tower of Pisa at least.

    • Replies: @Silva
  210. DB Cooper says:
    @Malla

    “Their war crimes were blown out of proportion.”

    Quite the opposite. Their war crimes were not recognized enough because China and Southeast Asia was a nobody. The savagery of Unit 731 is on a class of its own, not to mention the Rape of Nanjing.

    • Replies: @Malla
  211. @Malla

    I don’t absolve the Brits of blame. Churchhill was partly resposible for Kashmir, West Pakistan etc….

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
  212. Malla says:
    @DB Cooper

    In other words any group that do the same thing as the Mongol Dzungars (rebel) will get the same response from Qing. This is an act of political violence and not ethnic oppression.

    In other words any group that do the same thing as the Jews did will get the same response from the Third Reich. (tho the holohoax was most probably a lie)
    In other words any group that do the same thing as the North African pirate powers did will get the same response from European powers (colonialism).
    I could go on and on.

    This is an act of political violence and not ethnic oppression.

    It is ethnic. An entire ethnic group was punished. It was genocide pure and simple.

    • Replies: @DB Cooper
  213. @Malla

    There is only so much you can suck out of a colony.

    • Replies: @Malla
  214. Vojkan says:
    @Malla

    Growing lazy and jaded offspring off other people’s sweat and blood is a recipe for decadence.

    • Replies: @Malla
  215. Vojkan says:
    @Malla

    Correction. You cannot compare the Japanese to the English… The Japanese crimes are dwarfed by the English crimes.

    • Replies: @Malla
  216. Malla says:
    @Yee

    Jeff Stryker, some (actually many) people love living their brain washed lives. They have been brainwashed like slaves to believe what they believed from childhood and remain mental slaves till the end of time. School taught me so and so, so it must be right. My elders tell me so and so, so it must be right. The government brainwashes me to believe so and so, so it must be right. Most people will always be slaves. Most people are just born to be ruled over. Just give them illusions that they will buy into.

    All good, BUT the Universe only respects reality not the illusions of commie brainwashers. Stupid Universe!!!

  217. Yee says:

    AaronB,

    No point wasting time making simple things complicated. Religion is just ancient time psycho-therapy.

    And any economic, social, political secular power gained by using religion is solely for selfish human greed, be that for individuals or for certain groups. Equivalent to un-ethical therapist.

    Confucius had the smartest approach – “Respect the spirits and gods, but stay away from them (敬鬼神而远之).”

  218. @MBlanc46

    He has also been referred to as a ” little Pipsqueak” by a north side alderman many years ago.

  219. @Malla

    Which war crimes ?
    At the Tokyo war crimes show both the Indian and the Dutch judge were of the opinion that the accused were innocent.
    Alas, the USA judges had the majority.
    From memory, the Indian judge wrote a 1600 pages defence.

    • Replies: @Malla
  220. denk says:

    THE TIBET THAT NO ANGLO/INDIAN DARE TO TALK ABOUT…..

    —————–

    http://www.fuccha.in/assets/timthumb.php?src=http://www.fuccha.in/uploads/post/northeast.jpg&w=893&h=502

    WTF’s up with these ‘chinki’ faced chicks begging to be accepted as Northeast ‘Indians’ ?

    Dont forget they once fought mighty India for decades to defend their land and their identity, !

    These aint no ‘Indians’ at all, they are Mongoloid folks from the former Southern Tibet and its peripherals.
    The seven sisters….

    They were annexed by the British Raj.
    The Brits left them to the mercy of the Indians when they packed up and went home.

    The seven sisters thought they could have their own independence , Delhi’s response was to send in divisions of savages to crush indigenous resistance.
    The Nagas fought the invaders with their typical gallantry, but the result was inevitable.
    Out manned , outgunned, resistance in the seven sisters was eventually crushed .
    Hundreds of thousands of Nagas massacred , their women folks raped to their death in front of the families,

    This crime will not be televised.

    No, they want YOU to look the other way…at the Tibet proper in China, which enjoys the world’s most benevolent minority policies,,,…deserving a Nobel peace prize no less. [0]

    Tibet proper is too peaceful for fukus liking, so they’d orchestrate some bloody riots and broadcast to the world as ‘ccp repression of peaceful Tibetans’…. just like what they did in TAM 1989.

    Thus we have to endure the endless stream of nincompoop,sashaying into any China thread with the admonition…..
    ‘just ask the Tibetans’,
    ‘just ask the Uighurs’,
    they even add in ‘just ask the Mongolians’ these days . [sic]…….as if they actually knew jack shit beyond the incessant B.S. fed to them 24×7.

    Here we’ve Devonshire declaring so smugly,

    ‘Why don’t the Dalai Lama and his followers set an example by returning to their own country?” Answer:
    because they would, beyond a doubt, be tortured and killed by the ChiCom Gestapo. You really don’t need a Ph.D. in Far Eastern Studies to know that.’

    ROFLMAO,
    Where’s the logic in that ?
    Devonshire call himself a mathematician !

    Lemme tell you something buddy, the 5lies people are the most brainwashed folks bar none, your minds are all
    fucked up, old chap.

    The seven sisters fought gallantly for decades against all odds, they were finally subdued and crushed.
    After losing so many of their sons and daughters, they say enough is enough.
    These days they just wanna go forward with their life , let bygone be bygone.

    ‘Please dont beat me up ,dont kill me cuz I look chinki’
    ‘Please dont rape me because I’ve fair complexion’

    WE AINT NO CHINKS,
    ‘WE WANNA BE INDIANS NOW , PLEASE’ [
    1]

    What a pitiful sight.

    But here comes the ultimate insult, when they go to the heartland , they are told ….
    ‘GO BACK TO WHERE YOU BELONG OR WE’LL KILL YOU’ [2]

    [1]
    ‘Do we look like Indians?’

    https://newint.org/features/1994/06/05/keynote/

    [2]
    Letter from Arunachal Pradesh, Tawang…..hmdl’s very birth place !

    https://www.thebetterindia.com/91757/northeast-india-racism/

    Trust hmdl to cozy up with the whiteys…
    ‘you dont need no darkies in your white land

    while his own birth place has been WMMed by ‘darkies’ riding roughshod over his dear subjects.

    hhhhhhhh

    • Replies: @DB Cooper
  221. DB Cooper says:
    @Malla

    I suppose the Mongol Buddhist Dzungar were ethnically closer to the Manchu than the Uyghurs are. If ethnic reasons were at work shouldn’t the Manchu works with the Mongol Buddhist Dzungar to suppress the Uyghurs instead of the other way?

    Are you saying that if the Mongol Buddhist Dzungar didn’t end up on the wrong side of the Qing emperor they would still have been wiped out because they were Mongol Buddhist Dzungar?

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Talha
  222. Malla says:
    @Vojkan

    English crimes are tiny compared to the crimes of the brown black world. If a brown or black nation would have the same power as the English or even the Japanese, there would have been far more genocides and screw ups.

    • Replies: @Vojkan
  223. denk says:
    @Malla

    Your ‘thesis’ simply dont jibe with reality…..

    This is no way to promote your ‘new host’

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/afp/article-6194687/US-denounces-awful-abuses-Muslim-Uighurs-detained-China.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ito=1490&ns_campaign=1490

    meet the new chosen ones….

    ‘“India, indeed, stands like a beacon on a hill, building a future on the power of ideas … not on castles of sand that threaten the rules-based architecture that has served us all so very well,” Harris said. American officials have in the past referred to China’s constructions in the region as “sand castles.”’

    Thats how you sell your future host to the world.
    hhhhhhh

    https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/03/03/u-s-urging-greater-indian-military-presence-in-south-china-sea-to-counter-china/

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @DB Cooper
  224. Malla says:
    @DB Cooper

    Are you saying that if the Mongol Buddhist Dzungar didn’t end up on the wrong side of the Qing emperor they would still have been wiped out because they were Mongol Buddhist Dzungar?

    Are you telling me that an entire ethnic group can be punished for the actions of a few? Can an entire ethnic group be termed a criminal tribe? How is that different from racism?
    So the British should have killed all Muslims in India for the actions of mutineers in 1857. I guess they could kill all Brahmins and Baniyas because the upper castes Hindus dominated the revolting Indian National Congress. My, the British did not get the memo.

    • Replies: @DB Cooper
  225. denk says:
    @AaronB

    I know you idealized the West

    That ‘d be an understatement.

    Malla is an ‘Indian’ who’s even more unapologetic than a white apologist.

    hhhhhh

  226. Malla says:
    @Vojkan

    Growing lazy and jaded offspring off other people’s sweat and blood is a recipe for decadence.

    I do not understand brother.

  227. DB Cooper says:
    @denk

    Anytime Indians and clueless Westerners says “just ask the Tibetans” I would say Tibetans has been asked and they are more nationalistic Chinese than their Han counterparts.


    Yes I have seen these Northeast people in India saying ‘we are Indians’ in Youtube as if by declaring that they will face less discrimination and oppression from India. We should response in Youtube telling them if they cannot walk in Dehli or any part of India without risk being called ethnic slurs or even beat up then they are not Indian.

    Free the Northeast from India!

    • Replies: @Malla
  228. Malla says:
    @DB Cooper

    Quite the opposite. Their war crimes were not recognized enough because China and Southeast Asia was a nobody.

    Non sense. It was in the interests of the Americans and the other allies including the Nationalist Chinese to show the Japanese much worse than they were. Americans are masters at propaganda and the Chinese were not much less.

    • Replies: @DB Cooper
  229. Malla says:
    @denk

    You do not understand Kabuki do you?

    • Replies: @denk
  230. DB Cooper says:
    @denk

    The whole of Northeast and Kashmir are restless and this is why India imposes the disgusting AFSPA on Northeast including South Tibet. And the Western human rights extraordinaire couldn’t’ care less. Human rights my a$$.

    • Replies: @denk
  231. Silva says:
    @Malla

    “Insightful sermons” looked like sarcasm. I think like you on that. Also, thanks: I hadn’t noticed Freyja/Priya.

    • Replies: @Malla
  232. Malla says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    In many cases, they were losing money on the colonies. There was more trade in between Britain and Europe and USA than with the colonies including White colonies like Canada, Australia, South Africa and New Zealand.

  233. Talha says:
    @DB Cooper

    No, I think he is saying the Qing response was disproportionate; see waning Ottoman Empire’s response to Armenian rebellions on its borders for another example.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Malla
  234. DB Cooper says:
    @Malla

    “How is that different from racism?”

    The different is in the mindset. The Qing weren’t thinking about “Oh these are Mongol Buddhist Dzungar therefore we should wipe them out”. They were thinking “these people poses a threat to the stability of the Qing domain therefore we should wipe them out.”

    It’s like proving the motive of a crime. If you want to prove racism you have to show the motive. Someone got murdered and what is the motive of the perpetuator? Money? Race? Love? Revenge?

    • Replies: @Malla
  235. Malla says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    No it was the Muslim League which wanted Pakistan, they felt that the Indian national Congress did not represent them. The Indian National Congress was dominated by upper caste Hindus.

    Ambedkar the writer of the Indian Constitution wrote

    “If there is any doubt about her dual personality, it has now been dispelled by the Resolution of the Muslim League demanding the cutting up of India into two, Pakistan and Hindustan, so that these conflicts and convulsions due to a dual personality having been bound in one may cease forever, and so freed from each other, may dwell in separate homes congenial to their respective cultures, Hindu and Muslim.
    It is beyond question that Pakistan is a scheme which will have to be taken into account. The Muslims will insist upon the scheme being considered. The British will insist upon some kind of settlement being reached between the Hindus and the Muslims before they consent to any devolution of political power. There is no use blaming the British for insisting upon such a settlement as a condition precedent to the transfer of power. The British cannot consent to settle power upon an aggressive Hindu majority and make it its heir, leaving it to deal with the minorities at its sweet pleasure. That would not be ending imperialism. It would be creating another imperialism. The Hindus, therefore, cannot avoid coming to grips with Pakistan, much as they would like to do.

    If the scheme of Pakistan has to be considered, and there is no escape from it, then there are certain points which must be borne in mind.

    The first point to note is that the Hindus and Muslims must decide the question themselves. They cannot invoke the aid of anyone else. Certainly, they cannot expect the British to decide it for them. From the point of view of the Empire, it matters very little to the British whether India remains one undivided whole, or is partitioned into two parts, Pakistan and Hindustan, or into twenty linguistic fragments as planned by the Congress, so long as all of them are content to live within the Empire. The British need not interfere for the simple reason that they are not affected by such territorial divisions.

    Further, if the Hindus are hoping that the British will use force to put down Pakistan, that is impossible. In the first place, coercion is no remedy. The futility of force and resistance was pointed out by Burke long ago in his speeches relating to the coercion of the American colonies.”

  236. Vojkan says:
    @Malla

    History says otherwise. With the notable exception of the Zulu empire, no other African kingdom / empire has shown genocidal tendencies. Their power games have been just as our power games, albeit less technologically advanced. Assimilation has always been favoured over genocide everywhere. Among blacks as among whites. The Rwandan genocide, crop growers mass murdering cattle breeders, after centuries of mainly tolerant cohabitation, definitely not genocidal hatred, before whites came in, is an exception and should make you dig into History further before making affirmations.
    That said, I do feel for the Boers who went into a vacant land and made it thrive, while the tribes roaming around never had the idea to grow crops in the fertile soil God has granted them with.

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    , @Silva
    , @Malla
  237. Malla says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    The British wanted a United India, partition was forced on them by the Muslim league
    From British parliament records Hansard

    https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1947/jul/15/indian-independence-bill

    The President of the Board of Trade (Sir Stafford Cripps) said on the floor of the British parliament while discussing the INDIAN INDEPENDENCE BILL 15 July 1947

    “We take this action, not because it is forced upon us by circumstances outside our control, but because it is consistent with all that we hold to be just and right. It is true, as many have remarked in the course of our discussions on the future of India, that we would far rather have passed a Bill setting up a single united government for India as a whole. That has not proved possible and it is not the sole fault of any of us, Indians or Englishmen, that it has not proved possible. It is the inevitable outcome of a long history of difficulties and of tensions, of lost opportunities and human failures of which we have all had our share. None of us can point our finger at others and say, “But for you, all would have been well.” I am perfectly conscious myself in the small part I have played in these matters, that by greater wisdom and understanding at particular moments I might have made a better contribution to a united India, but it is of no profit now to review the past. This Bill will launch us into a new and, let us hope, a happier era.
    I have always held and often stated that we should never achieve true and worthwhile co-operation with India until we could deal with one another upon the basis of absolute equality. It is that equality which this Bill will establish for the first time. It will thus create a basis for a far deeper and more significant friendship between the peoples of our two countries. Some have thought in the past that we could hold India in close association with ourselves on some basis of modified domination. That is not possible, and to believe it shows a profound misunderstanding of all that is inherent in the democratic principles which we have spread throughout the world from this country. I am convinced, therefore, that this Bill will do more to create a real and living friendship with India than any other action which this country has ever taken.
    A great deal has been said in the course of the Debates on this Bill on the subject of the Muslim and Hindu communities and the difficulties resulting from their inability to co-operate, but let us not forget that there are other important elements in India besides these two communities. To name two, there are the Sikhs and the Pathans. In some ways the position is far more difficult for these two communities than for the two major communities. It is not practicable, short of the complete Balkanisation of India, which I think no one desires, to give to every individual community the complete and undiluted rights of self-government which the two major communities attain through this Bill. But that fact does nothing to diminish our care or anxiety that the Sikhs and the Pathans should receive the fullest measure of recognition for their racial and cultural differences. 229Both these people have shown restraint in their most difficult situation and we hope and believe that those to whom, by this Bill, we are now remitting power in Pakistan and India will do their utmost to admit the reasonable claims of these two splendid peoples who have contributed so much to the life of India.”

    Mr. R. A. Butler (Saffron Walden) said in the same session of parliament
    “It is always said that the most remarkable frontier affecting the British Commonwealth is that between the United States and Canada, where one can see no guard and where there are miles and miles of friendly contact. Those of us who know some of the difficulties and sorrows of the partitions that are taking place, and in particular those in the Punjab, will realise that it is too much to hope that there will be no unfriendly gestures, or no unfortunate skirmishing. But let us at least hope that, thanks to the Dominion relationship that will prevail between these two new Dominions, frontiers may be set up and observed which, in time, may be regarded as just as friendly as the famous frontier to which I have drawn the attention of the House. But we must remember that in the partition of the Punjab, which is the second partition, apart from the partition of India itself, we have left the Sikh community, to whom the right hon. and learned Gentleman made reference, almost exactly divided as between one side of the frontier and another.
    It is to be hoped that the boundary commission, on which the most serious237responsibility will fall, will be able so to arrange the boundary that shrines and properties, and other things held dear to the Sikhs, may he amassed, as far as possible, in one area, provided that no violence is done to a proper division between Muslim and non-Muslim areas, in the same way, it is hoped that the partition of Bengal will so take place that the industrial welfare of the Eastern portion may not be prejudiced, and that access may be had to the sea through the port of Calcutta in some satisfactory manner.
    I cannot help feeling, although the partition of India appears violently necessary at the present time, that as history develops, certain contacts must be made between the two portions of India which have been divided, and that the conception of a greater whole will arise. I looked over many of the documents and papers which we had to study in the course of the preparation of the 1935 Act, those relating to communications, to railways, and, in particular, to the provision of water in one section of India to the other. Very often a water supply to the villages it has to serve may be divided by the frontier. In the question of finance, in all of these aspects some nexus will be necessary, and how that is to be invented is at present beyond the wit of man. Immediate arrangements have to be made before the appointed day. There is a violent hurry, and it is quite clear to any who have studied this matter scientifically at all that many of these great questions are left unsolved at the present time, and for some time in the future. I trust, therefore, that the relationship between the Governors-General and the Ministers of the various Governments may be friendly, and that matters to be decided, may be taken to the Arbitral Tribunal, which was mentioned yesterday in the course of our deliberations. I should like the Government to consider in another place whether the Arbitral Tribunal cannot be brought more into the picture, and whether they have given their final decision as to its inclusion in the Bill.”

  238. Malla says:
    @Silva

    Also, thanks: I hadn’t noticed Freyja/Priya.

    Welcome Bud.

  239. DB Cooper says:
    @Malla

    “It was in the interests of the Americans and the other allies including the Nationalist Chinese to show the Japanese much worse than they were. ”

    In war time propaganda you always want to show your enemy in the worst light. I get that. But the brutality of the Japanese weren’t given enough coverage by the Western press for the reason that the victims were Asians and not Europeans, which is understandable. After the war the biological and germ warfare research results conducted by Unit 731 were given to the US in exchange that the perpetuator of Unit 731 were let off the hook. Many became professors or work in the relevant industries. You always read about the Nazi gas chambers but how many people in the West know about Unit 731?

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  240. @Jeff Stryker

    So your Chinese poontang and low IQ Chinese offspring are now your immortality. Pure degeneracy. Again, you are your own worst enemy and problem. You rail against whites because there is something wrong with you. You couldn’t cut it in the West, especially with white women, so naturally you had to degenerate to a lower race, i.e. Asian. There are no white men in Asian so you don’t have to compete with them. Asian males are a second tier type of maleness.

    Again, fine. But stop attacking whites. Or maybe, deep down there is buyer’s remorse. Chinese poontang is expensive. You are now paying the price. It is obvious in your comments. Yes, keep telling yourself about the Midwest, Phoenix, etc. I hope there are opium dens near you and that you use them to escape temporarily from the ugliness around you – i.e., your Chinese family.

    You scribbled to another commentator about China providing what produced civilization, i.e, gunpowder, the compass. Like Europeans couldn’t have invented these things. China contributed nothing to the creation and development of the West.

    Stop using the computer, television, airplane, car, telephone, the list is endless. Use the abacus for your mathematical calculations.

    Again, you are projecting your cowardice, cuckiness on Western males. You and Debryshire once again prove what I say about what happens to a Western man when he gets swallowed by Asian poontang.

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  241. Malla says:
    @DB Cooper

    Free the Northeast from India!

    I am with you on that. North East of India including the Chitagong Hill Tracts of Bangladesh should be separated from India and Bangladesh and made an independent federal country. It has to be federal as there are many ethnic groups like Nagas, Mizos, Chakmas etc…
    Arunachal Pradesh/South Tibet could have a plebiscite to decide if they want to join China or become an independent country.
    Sikkim should be given independence and the descendants of the Royal family of Sikkim be invited back and the Indian government should ask for formal apology to the Sikkimese for its past mistake
    India should stop interfering into the affairs of the Kingdom of Bhutan and allow Bhutan to have an independent foreign policy including the right to have full diplomatic relations with China.

    I personally would not mind if Kashmir gets independence too on some conditions:
    1] Ladakh should be separated from Kashmir and made it’s own independent polity. Ladakhis are Tibetic Buddhists and are very different from majority Kashmiris.
    2] Some part of Kashmir be retained by India for the Kashmiri Pandits. Most of them are living as refugees in the rest of India. Parts of Kashmir with Hindu Holy sites like Vaishnodevi Temple should be retained and settled by Kashmiri Hindu Pandits.
    3] The rest of Indian Kashmir (without Ladakh and Hindu Kashmir) should be united with Pakistani Kashmir as a united Kashmir and they could have a plebiscite under the UN. If Kashmir decides to become an independent country all the best to it. If it decides to become part of Pakistan, good for it too.
    4] Some autonomy or protections/safegaurds be written into the legislature of Kashmir for the protection of the rights of Shia regions within Kashmir.
    There you go, problem solved.

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  242. denk says:
    @DB Cooper

    Exactly.

    Zhou Gong for now .

    hhhhh

  243. Malla says:
    @DB Cooper

    You always read about the Nazi gas chambers

    LOL. Why is that?
    Here is why

    I think many people know about Unit 731
    The Nanking Massacre on the other hand is a bit controversial

    http://www2.biglobe.ne.jp/~remnant/nankingm.htm


    [MORE]

    After the battle, many Nanking citizens, who had abhorred bad deeds done by the Chinese military in the city, welcomed the Japanese military. This is a photo of Japanese soldiers and the Nanking citizens giving cheers, on the day of the Japanese military’s ceremonial entry into Nanking (Dec. 17, 1937, 4 days after the fall of Nanking). The citizens are wearing armbands of the flag of Japan, which were given to all civilians of Nanking to distinguish them from hiding Chinese soldiers in civilian clothing.

    Japanese soldiers distributing gifts to Chinese citizens in Nanking. Photo from the British newspaper North China Daily News, published in China in English on December 24, 1937, eleven days after the Japanese occupation of Nanking

    Japanese soldiers playing with Chinese children in Nanking using toys, and their parents wearing armbands of the flag of Japan. Photo taken on Dec. 20, 1937, seven days after the occupation, and published in the pictorial book, Shina-jihen Shasin Zensyu, in 1938.

    Japanese soldiers nursing Chinese wounded soldiers. Photo taken in Nanking on December 20, 1937, seven days after the occupation, by the correspondent Mr. Hayashi; placed in the Japanese pictorial magazine, Asahi-ban Shina-jihen Gaho, and published on January 27, 1938.

    Nanking citizens with armbands of the flag of Japan selling vegetables on the street on December 15, 1937.

    Chinese boy smiling and Second Lieutenant Takashi Akaboshi, who led a fight along the Yangzi River. Photo taken near the walls of Nanking just after the Japanese occupation (courtesy of Takashi’s wife).

    When Japanese soldiers distributed food and sweets, Chinese adults and children gathered together. (December 18, 1937, in Nanking. From the Tokyo Nichinichi Shimbun.)

    Chinese citizens rejoicing to receive confectionery from Japanese soldiers on December 20, 1937, in Nanking. (From Asahi-ban Shina-jihen Gaho, published on January 27, 1938.)

    Liu Qixiong, a Chinese soldier who was hiding in the Nanking Safety Zone and caught as a POW. He was used as a coolie for a while, but later became the commander of a brigade for Wang Jingwei’s pro-Japanese government.


    Japanese soldier handing paper money to a Chinese family in the Nanking Safety Zone. Photo taken on December 27, 1937, fourteen days after the Japanese occupation, by the correspondent Mr. Kageyama; from Asahi-ban Shina-jihen Gaho, published on January 27, 1938.

    Chinese merchants selling to Japanese soldiers in Nanking. Photo from the pictorial magazine Mainichi-ban Shina-jihen Gaho, published on February 1, 1938.

    Chinese women coming out of an air-raid shelter and protected by the Japanese military. Photo taken on December 14, 1937, the day after the fall of Nanking, by the correspondent Kadono, and published in the Asahi Shimbun on December 16, 1937.

    Citizens celebrating the start of Nanking’s self-government on January 3, 1938, waving the Japanese flag and the Chinese five-color flag.

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    , @DB Cooper
  244. Malla says:
    @Malla

    Indian government should ask for formal apology to the Sikkimese for its past mistake

    Sorry I meant, Indian government should submit a formal apology and ask for forgiveness for its past action against Sikkim.

    Also the Indian government should come out clean and tell the Indian people the truth about the 1962 war, that we were the aggressors and that the PLA treated Indian POWs well. I know this would be SHOCKING to all Indians. It is like when a person comes to know that the holocaust never happened. But facts are facts. India should then give a formal apology for the 1962 war to China and solve the border dispute (after giving Sikkim, Arunachal Pradesh etc… independence there will only be a small border only at the border with Himachal Pradesh state ) amicably by both sides. China has solved all its border dispute amicably. Maybe India should do the same.

    Also India should stop bullying Nepal and solve its border disputes with Nepal and not interfere in Nepal’s internal affairs.

    Then hopefully we can have peace with China and Pakistan.

  245. Malla says:
    @Vojkan

    Are you Afrikaner?
    I know about the Afrikaner genocide but remember that the Brits were acting as today’s USA and there was a powerful Jewish lobby and they were driven by Jewish mining magnates like the Oppenheimers who were very close to Rhodes. What happened to the Afrikaner women and children was a big shame. No denying that.

    But the Empire did a lot of good in other parts of the world such as India.

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  246. Malla says:
    @Talha

    Yes that is what I mean. If the response was because of disturbance of peace than many such actions by others could be termed as disturbance of peace. And the response seems very disproportionate.

  247. Malla says:
    @DB Cooper

    The Qing weren’t thinking about “Oh these are Mongol Buddhist Dzungar therefore we should wipe them out”. They were thinking “these people poses a threat to the stability of the Qing domain therefore we should wipe them out.”

    I think a lot of wiping out down by other powers was because they were considered a threat to the stability of their Empires or nations.

  248. Silva says:
    @Vojkan

    According to René Lemarchand in Rwanda and Burundi, “tolerant cohabitation” describes Burundi, not Rwanda – the latter had a rigid Tutsi supremacy maintained with … look up “kalinga drum decorated”.

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  249. DB Cooper says:
    @Malla

    Oh please. The Rape of Nanjing is well-documented and is not controversial. Please show some footage of Chinese being buried alive by the Japanese soldiers or some Chinese being hacked by Japanese on the neck but somehow survived or a Japanese newspaper of that time bragging about which soldier killed more Chinese in a day in some kind of sick competition. I have seen all those footage. They should be available in youtube.

    Or you can read about John Rabe. John Rabe was a member of the Nazi party and Germany and Japan at that time were the axis countries. He has no reason to demonize Japan.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Rabe

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  250. VojkanM says:
    @Malla

    I am French-Serbian and have no Afrikaner acquaintance. I only try to look at things with as much objectivity as I can. The British have done a lot of positive things, and a lot of negative things also, like setting up concentration camps for Boers in the early 1900s.

  251. DB Cooper says:
    @Malla

    By the way I check out that link. All I can say is that Jap Arimasa Kubo is a sick person.

    • Replies: @Malla
  252. Truth says:
    @Malla

    That “chick’s” hand is a little…Massive…Bro.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
  253. Malla says:
    @DB Cooper

    Oh please. The Rape of Nanjing is well-documented and is not controversial. Please show some footage of Chinese being buried alive by the Japanese soldiers or some Chinese being hacked by Japanese

    Many seem doctored or setup. The Americans did similar things in Yugoslavia.

    http://www2.biglobe.ne.jp/~remnant/nankingm.htm

    Biased Reports of John Rabe

    Masaaki Tanaka, the ex-secretary of General Iwane Matsui, claims that there are many contradictions in John Rabe’s descriptions. For instance, according to him, General Matsui ordered a cease-fire on December 9, distributed to the city surrender recommendation handbills, and waited until noon of December 10 for the answer. Tanaka then points out, “Rabe wrote in his diary that the combat was continuing and Rabe did not mention anything about the cease-fire or the handbills.”

    Rabe wrote that he saw here and there “dead women who had canes rammed in their vaginas”; however, such a practice was Chinese, not Japanese.

    James McCallum, a medical doctor in Nanking, wrote in his diary on December 29, 1937, “We have had some very pleasant Japanese who have treated us with courtesy and respect. Occasionally I have seen a Japanese helping some Chinese, or picking up a Chinese baby to play with it.” However, Rabe did not write any such things, and only wrote that the Safety Zone had been like a hell full of fire and rape every day. Tanaka thus argues that Rabe’s descriptions are not reliable. Tanaka writes, “Rabe’s descriptions were very biased fishy stories. I think I can understand the reason why Adolf Hitler did not trust his report, but rather imprisoned him.”

    Professor Higashinakano also points out that James McCallum wrote in his diary on January 8, 1938 that he had heard a Chinese refugee testify, “I can prove that the rape, looting and arson were committed by Chinese soldiers, not Japanese soldiers”; however, Rabe reported as if all of the rape, looting and arson had been committed by only Japanese soldiers. Higashinakano claims that Rabe’s report was a similar-natured one to the anti-Japanese maneuvering of the Chinese officers he had sheltered.

    P. Scharfienberg, the secretary general of the German Embassy to China, who returned to Nanking on January 9, 1938, tried to investigate himself the facts about the alleged Japanese atrocities mentioned in Rabe’s report. Scharfienberg wrote to the German Embassy at Hankow on February 10:

    “Rabe is still actively trying to counter the bloody excesses of Japanese looters, which have unfortunately increased of late. To my mind, this should not concern us Germans, particularly since one can clearly see that the Chinese, once left to depend solely on the Japanese, immediately fraternize. And as for all these excesses, one hears only one side of it, after all.”

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  254. Truth says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    I’ont know, Stryke-Dogg,I appreciate the attempts to meet a fellow Caucazoid halfway, and I haven’t read her response yet, but I don’t get the feeling that Tillie ain’t much on coming to the negotiating table. When she smells a little conciliation from a “degenerate” I get the feeling she’s going to be like a barracuda on an injured yellowfin!

    • LOL: Talha
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  255. Malla says:
    @Malla

    Things seem a bit controversial. Maybe a massacre happened and it was hyped up or maybe it was a major fabrication I do not know. But there are controversies.

    The Politically Incorrect Truth About Japan in World War II Part I

    The Politically Incorrect Truth About Japan in World War II Part II

    The Politically Incorrect Truth About Japan in World War II Part III

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  256. Malla says:
    @DB Cooper

    Most Indians will call you a sick person if you say that it was India which invaded China in 1962. For most Indians China invaded our country and denying this is like denying the holocaust for us. Try it with some Indians and see.

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  257. Malla says:
    @Truth

    Oh my god!!! But her voice is so feminine. You seem to be eyeing everyone suspiciously for hijraness lately. But I do not blame you.

    • Replies: @Truth
  258. Malla says:
    @Vojkan

    Most societies were based on increase of power. Very few societies were like the Arawaks of the Caribbean, peace loving. Most wanted to increase their power.

    Prof Gates in West Africa

    At 33:20, the Dahomey were warlike, wars every year. Enemies were beheaded. Conquest and power and being greedy of power was considered a good thing for the King to have in Dahomey culture.
    At 34:50 Human sacrifice of enemy kings
    At 37:38 How much slavery was in the Dahomey kingdom
    At 45:15 a black guy of Benin said that the people sold into slavery were lucky or they would have been sacrificed, so slavery saved the lives of the blacks sold as slaves.

    Thats is how most societies were. Aztecs, Mughals etc… you name it. English are not unique in building Empires. As that Dahomey researcher talking to Prof Gates said, conquest and increase in power was what was desired out of Kings. That is how most societies were once. Yeah you had some Kings somewhere banning slavery, becoming a monk, becoming peaceful but in those days morality was a bit different.

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  259. DB Cooper says:
    @Malla

    “Most Indians will call you a sick person if you say that it was India which invaded China in 1962. For most Indians China invaded our country and denying this is like denying the holocaust for us. Try it with some Indians and see.”

    I know what you mean. And I applaud you for that. But there is no similiarities between the two. The Rape of Nanking is well-documented right after the war and only a segment of Japanese society denied it like that guy in the link. There are Japanese soldiers come out years after the war because their consious get to them. Are you saying those Japanese soldiers lying and make things up? I couldn’t think of one motive that anyone will do that. There are old footage, photos, documents and other corroborating evidence from that era offering irrefutable evidence. Just because someone raise doubt doesn’t mean it is controversial. There are people saying moon landing is a hoax. Is moon landing controversial? Of course there will be some people in Japan trying to minimize or deny the Rape of Nanking had happened? And there is very good reason those people do that.

  260. Vojkan says:
    @Silva

    Rwanda and Burundi, and Uganda, are different countries because their borders have been drawn by European colonisers who made deals between themselves regardless of the interests of the native people. When I applied for French citizenship, I assumed that all the shit the French have done will be a shit I own too.

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  261. Ace says:
    @attilathehen

    Your genetic insights are noted.

  262. Vojkan says:
    @Malla

    We are worse than animals because animals don’t rationalise their killing instincts.
    They kill to eat or to make an offering to their human master. We kill for what, prestige?
    No other animal on Earth kills for prestige.

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  263. VojkanM says:
    @Malla

    There’s plenty to reproach to India. It’s a matter of taking what comfourts you in your hatred of India or of trying to grasp what is beyond your reach. I chose the second option because I prefer the effort to understand to the temptation to condamn.

    • Replies: @Malla
  264. @Truth

    LOL!!! I don’t like the term white nationalism. I am a Western nationalist. The West is best. Then, as you know, I define what the West is not. It is not black/Asian/Jewish/Muslim. What disgusts me the most is someone like Derbyshire who has no gratitude towards his Western heritage. He lives in the safety and comfort of the West and has the chutzpah to write that Asians are smarter than Caucasians!!! The West he despises is what created his safety and comfort. At least Stryker moved to Asia. When this geezer kicks off, he’s leaving a genetic mess behind. His Chinese offspring are worthless. But they will never go to China to fight for freedom. They will just be parasites in the USA, will marry other Asians and create more degenerates like themselves.

    The orange wussy-in-chief has to start building the wall on the Texas-Mexico border. Once this is done, we can focus on getting rid of those who don’t belong. This means Derbyshire and his Chinese family.

    • Replies: @sb
  265. Malla says:
    @Vojkan

    We are worse than animals because animals don’t rationalise their killing instincts.
    They kill to eat or to make an offering to their human master. We kill for what, prestige?
    No other animal on Earth kills for prestige.

    True

  266. Malla says:
    @VojkanM

    What does this even mean? What does India has to do with Japanese Empire? The Japanese Empire actually was helping Subhash Chandra Bose, a famous Indian revolutionary.

  267. Malla says:
    @jilles dykstra

    Yeah, Radhabinod Pal, the Indian judge. The Defence can be downloaded from the internet. A lot of kangaroo courts about in that period.

  268. @Yee

    China was so advanced by the time the Brits arrived that there was not as much that the Brits could do to you as oppose to Africans or Indians.

    And the Brits came and went from China and did not affect its trajectory much in my opinion.

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    , @Malla
  269. @Malla

    All very interesting. Where do you get it from – including the Rockefeller reference?

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  270. @attilathehen

    “I hope there are opium dens near you”

    I suspect you nearer to an Opoid source than I am.

    “Couldn’t cut it in the West”

    Most whites from the lower middle class don’t have the skills to work overseas so they do not go overseas young and therefore have no basis of comparison or perspective because they are townies.

    “Ugliness around you”

    A working middle class white like me is surrounded by a shitload more ugliness in the average US city than Asia….The Hood rats…the Cholos…the whiggers…the white sluts with tattoos all over them you see in Wal-Mart…the retarded psychotics out of their minds on Meth…it is all well and good if you can afford to live in a bedroom community but what will you do to earn a living there….

    “Cuckiness”

    My Chinese wife cannot live off my alimony in my house and be some Cougar. If we divorce she keeps the house and I walk off. That’s it. That is a divorce in Asia. I’d be out $20,000. That is that.

    “White women”

    I was lucky my college girlfriend broke up with me. Tell me, what would have ended up with in Southeast Michigan? A kid that got pummeled in junior high and maybe introduced to pot in the 6th grade? A house worth nothing on the market in a neighborhood where the property value is worth nothing? Seeing the local white kids grow up to be whiggers with a bunch of tattoos who try act like black jailbirds?

    Is that really worth making a lifetime commitment

    Why should a white man bother?

    Sure, you Polish Catholic women (I suspect from the hints you’ve dropped about your region and religion) are exotic beauties as young women with your high cheekbones and perfect bone structures/figures.

    But it ain’t worth it overall. You get stuck in credit card debt (I don’t have a credit card in Asia I can pay straight up cash) and having to somehow miss meals to send your daughter to a Catholic school and one Section 8 is built in your zip code and suddenly crackhead Negros are stumbling around with blood shot eyes offering to perform oral sex for $30 or trying to invade your house or shooting at one another.

  271. @Truth

    What difference does it make to the white man who moves overseas?

    As you know from Kuwait, many of us live forever overseas.

    White women don’t have much of a choice but to simply stick it out. They cannot easily live overseas.

    So they have a stake in their community. They cannot easily just throw the diploma into a suitcase and fly off.

    As a black man, you know that white men don’t often form the sort of community attachments that blacks or Mestizos do.

    We’ve always been a race of immigrants and freebooters. London turns to shit…get on a boat to Australia…and so on.

  272. Yee says:

    Jeff Stryker,

    Chinese people blame our own corrupt ruling class more than the imperialists.

    The ruling class ran the country into a hellhole so the invaders had a chance to plunder us. It has happened several times in our long history.

    But it’s still ridiculous to defend colonialism.

  273. Truth says:
    @Malla

    Estrogen and vocal chord tightening. You pull them tighter, the voice gets higher, opposite to turn a woman in to a man.

    • Replies: @Malla
  274. sb says:
    @attilathehen

    As I see it the big issue for the Derb Dynasty is what the next generation does.
    Will his children marry whites or leave the white race for ever ?

    I don’t have too much of a problem with white men marrying out (not the opposite ) as unfortunately it can be very difficult for some beta white males to find a suitable white mate (not me by the way )

    So will the Derb grandchildren think of Europe or Asia as their ancestral home ?
    (Maybe I should add that I divide my time between Australia and Thailand )

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  275. Malla says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    That is true, China was quite advanced in many ways compared to India and the Middle East (and definitley Africa) at that time. But the West was moving ahead fast irrespective of Empire.

    Japan was too.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_history_of_Japan

    “Renaissance Europeans were quite admiring of Japan when they reached the country in the 16th century.”

    …snip…

    “Japan was also perceived as a sophisticated feudal society with a high culture and advanced pre-industrial technology. It was densely populated and urbanized. Prominent European observers of the time seemed to agree that the Japanese “excel not only all the other Oriental peoples, they surpass the Europeans as well” (Alessandro Valignano, 1584, “Historia del Principo y Progresso de la Compania de Jesus en las Indias Orientales).”

    It seems like compared to the lower IQ Reds, Browns and Blacks, Europeans had the hardest time conquering the high IQ Yellows. China could not be colonised in the same way as India or Africa, there were just outposts. Japan was never colonised by any European power and Korea was colonised by fellow North East Asian Japanese. Only Taiwan was colonised by the Dutch I think. Mongolia was colonised by the Soviet Union only much later and it became a satellite Communist state. North East Asia was the hardest nut to crack for Europeans/Americans. IQ might have played a role here.

  276. Malla says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Check out the videos post 147 of this page.

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  277. Malla says:
    @Malla

    As far as possible Rockefellar involvement, not only in the third video in post 147 (Joseph Stalin’s reluctance to create Communist China), Russian Historian Andrei Fursov mentions the Rockefellar but the videos below does too.

    United States Betrayed China Into Communism. But Why?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  278. Anon[561] • Disclaimer says:
    @Yee

    Fortunately China hasn’t depended on your standard of analysis for its advance. You have entirely left out intellectual property** and its public good equivalents in institutional and organisational innovation. (Yes that includes getting rid of chattel slavery). Without these the criterion of higher national income per head reasonably fairly distributed is virtually impossible to meet.

    Of course it is a bit simple minded to ignore the difference between the demographics of the pre Malthusian world and the modern world as well as the great innovations of modern medicine and of birth control. If you think 200 million people having a life expectancy of 70 years is better than 100 million with a 50 year life expectancy can you leave that out of your assessment?

    **Why does China go on stealing intellectual property generated in and by the people and institutions of other countries? At least in the 19th century the US hadn’t signed up to protect other’s – principally Europeans – intellectual property as China has.

    • Replies: @Malla
  279. Malla says:
    @lulu

    Tashi Phuntsok’s ‘Quiet Lake Water’ and ‘Mother’ are awesome. Thanks for bringing it to our notice.

  280. Malla says:
    @Anon

    China might have stolen a lot but it got a lot of help from Western governments too. Western corporations were forced to give their secrets to the Chinese in some cases. But now everything has changed, the Chinese are innovating on their own and are going ahead of many developed countries in innovation and R&D. You give secrets to a high IQ studious race and what do you expect?

  281. @Malla

    It is not that Indians are unintelligent but that Brahmin are willing to co-operate with white financiers in exchange for being petty administrators.

    To this day, this continues in Dubai. The Bania caste in general and the Sikhs cut deals with the Brits.

    You could almost say that the British Raj was run by the Bania and backed by the Brits.

    • Replies: @Malla
  282. @Malla

    WHITE SUPREMACISTS AND THEIR LACKEYS

    Winston Churchill once remarked that Brahmin were “the first to arrive and the last to leave” and this is true. Slowly the Brahmin are leaving India to be Westerners.

    The same is true in Latin America. Anglo-Americans always cut deals with the whites or half-whites who then became lackeys for a bigger piece of the pie than they could have gotten otherwise.

    Whereas the Far East never had a white elite like India or Latin America with a bunch of writhing peasants beneath them.

    Britain more or less had to get Chinese hooked on Opium at gunpoint because there was no preexisting fissure they could exploit like they did with Sikhs, various American Indian tribes, Africans etc.

    • Replies: @Malla
  283. Malla says:
    @Truth

    Estrogen and vocal chord tightening. You pull them tighter, the voice gets higher, opposite to turn a woman in to a man.

    Interesting stuff. Now a days I am scared of watching anything from any entertainment industry worldwide. God knows what effect this has had on our minds.
    I was oblivious to all this once like most sheepie but the first person who gave me doubts (even before I knew about such a conspiracy) was Sandra Bullock. There was something about her (him/it) which shouted hijraness.

    • Replies: @Malla
  284. Malla says:
    @Malla

    You know we have all these Hijras in India roaming about and there are even Hijra Gods in our religion, not so much in the ancient Aryan Vedic period but much later. Sometimes I wonder, for a number of reasons if Hindu India is an end result or residue of an earlier failed NWO Babylonian attempt cycle millennia ago. But this is just a speculation. You know pansexuals, man-animal hybrids in our pantheon, makes one wonder. There are such cases in Egypt too such as Anubis the God man hybrid. Who knows what the REAL history of these civilizations are. Are we in another such cycle? Who knows.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Jeff Stryker
    , @Truth
  285. Malla says:
    @Malla

    such as Anubis the God man hybrid.

    Sorry Anubis the dog man hybrid God

  286. @Malla

    MALLA-You are actually quite right. The Aryans, Greeks, Scythian empire…all reached the end of the road in Northern Indian.

    It is where all empires went to fade away and be absorbed into India as castes.

    Alexanders men became Punjabi, Scythian became Rajput, Aryans Brahmin…

    Indian was the graveyard of empires.

    When you think about it, even the British empire.

    Nobody really noticed when Hong Kong went back to China or whatever.

    • Replies: @Malla
  287. Joe Wong says:
    @Malla

    It has been proven time and again on the UNZ that White has lower IQ and productivity than Asian, you are obviously lying. BTW Indian is considered by the Anglo their little brownman, so they are not Asian the Anglo said.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
    , @Anon
  288. Malla says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    But the baniyas and the Brahmins backstabbed the British, which is not surprising because it is their nature to backstab. They benefited the most from the coming of the British actually (so did the Parsis and my caste) as the British destroyed Islamic power after the mutiny. But the lower castes benefited too. And the Brahmins did not like the lower castes getting equality and all that for the first time in centuries. So they backstabbed the British. The Brahmins also hated Christianity as lower caste Dalits could escape from Hindusim to Christinity and there would be equality even though the caste system exists in Indian Christians too but to a much less degree. Christianity, Islam and Buddhism are more egalitarian, but being in the Indian subcontinent some amout of caste system always remains though with a much lower intensity.
    This explains why the Indian National Congress which was fighting for Independence was so full of Brahmins and Baniyas. Similar to the African National Congress of South Africa which is very Xhosa dominated.

    The Muslism had their go at getting rid of the British in the 1857 Mutiny, the planners of that mutiny were muslims trying to bring back the Mughal Empire back as the British had conqueredand destroyed the Hindu Maratha and Sikh Empires. But that attampt failed, the muslims after that were quiter. Later on it were the upper caste Hindus who took up the (fake) independence struggle. Fake becuse they had inside support from some elements in the British government who wanted to dissolve the British Empire.
    The Muslims lost their power so now they thought British rule was better option because if independence came, Hindus would be majority and things would become dangerous. Besides the British were impartial outsiders and atleast people of the Book (back when the Brits took Christianity more seriously). But when the Muslims realised that the Hindu dominated Congress would get independnce, the Muslim League started asking for a Islamic Pakistan to save themselves from a Hindu Majority which was getting a bit radicalised.

    Check out what Churchill said

    https://www.winstonchurchill.org/resources/speeches/1930-1938-the-wilderness/our-duty-in-india/

    “If the British people are to lose their Indian Empire, they shall do so with their eyes open, and not be led blindfold into a trap.”

    ….snip….

    “Gandhi stands for the substitution of Brahmin domination for British rule in India. You will never be able to come to terms with Gandhi.”

    ….snip….

    “But that is not all. To abandon India to the rule of the Brahmins would be an act of cruel and wicked negligence. It would shame for ever those who bore its guilt. These Brahmins who mouth and patter the principles of Western Liberalism, and pose as philosophic and democratic politicians, are the same Brahmins who deny the primary rights of existence to nearly sixty millions of their own fellow countrymen whom they call ‘untouchable’, and whom they have by thousands of years of oppression actually taught to accept this sad position. They will not eat with these sixty millions, nor drink with them, nor treat them as human beings. They consider themselves contaminated even by their approach. And then in a moment they turn round and begin chopping logic with John Stuart Mill, or pleading the rights of man with Jean Jacques Rousseau.”

    …..snip…..

    Let me just direct your attention once more upon these untouchables, fifty or sixty millions of them, that is to say more than the whole population of the British Isles; all living their lives in acceptance of the validity of the awful curse pronounced upon them by the Brahmins. A multitude as big as a nation, men, women and children deprived of hope and of the status of humanity. Their plight is worse than that of slaves, because they have been taught to consent not only to a physical but to a psychic servitude and prostration.

    ……snip…..

    “There is a more squalid aspect. Hitherto for generations it has been the British policy that no white official should have any interest or profit other than his salary and pension out of Indian administration. All concession-hunters and European adventurers, company-promoters and profit-seekers have been rigorously barred and banned. But now that there is spread through India the belief that we are a broken, bankrupt, played-out power, and that our rule is going to pass away and be transferred in the name of the majority to the Brahmin sect, all sorts of greedy appetites have been excited, and many itching fingers are stretching and scratching at the vast pillage of a derelict Empire. I read in the Times newspaper, in the Times mind you, only last week of the crowd of rich Bombay merchants and millionaire millowners, millionaires on sweated labour, who surround Mr. Gandhi, the saint, the lawyer, Lord Irwin’s dear colleague and companion. What are they doing there, these men, and what is he doing in their houses?

    They are making arrangements that the greatest bluff, the greatest humbug and the greatest betrayal shall be followed by the greatest ramp. Nepotism, back-scratching, graft and corruption in every form will be the handmaidens of a Brahmin domination.”

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  289. Joe Wong says:
    @sb

    Europeans and their offshoots are liars, pirates, and cult fanatics like Muslims, they are morally defunct beyond the imagination of Chinese. Chinese went East and West with benevolence intention during the Ming time hundred some years before Vasco da Gama on the basis that human beings are innocent, but not knowing the European culture was built on “Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam” finally did they in.

    Even nowadays, despite Chinese supporting the Americans and Westerners the life style they can not afford themselves, but the Americans are still complaining and waging wars against Chinese for wanting more.

    BTW Vasco da Gama did not discover the way to East, he hired an Arab pilot to lead him to the East on a very active route during that time.

    • Replies: @Malla
  290. Malla says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    You could almost say that the British Raj was run by the Bania and backed by the Brits.

    You can say that about the opium trade at least. The opium trade was basically a Jewish, Baniya, Parsi operation at the core supported by British military power. Some Brits and some powerful American families (President FDR’s Delano family) made their money as remora fish (swiming behind sharks) from this whole operation. The trade was ended by presure from British Protestant missionaries.
    What is strange is Yale University Skull and Bones made a lot of money from the Opium trade and they reared Mao to eventually rule China. And President FDR whose family made money transporting the opium from India to China played a big part in destroying Third Reich Germany and Imperial Japan so that Communism could spread across Eurasia after WW2.

  291. Malla says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Yeah, very intersting point. Thanks

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  292. Malla says:
    @Joe Wong

    BTW Indian is considered by the Anglo their little brownman, so they are not Asian the Anglo said.

    I never heard any Anglo say this.
    We are not Asians?
    Communist school brainwashing propaganda is very effective, I see.
    In Britain, unlike in the USA, South Asians are called Asians and East Asians are called Orientals. So British people call us Asians everyday. LOL.
    Your comments makes me doubt the findings that East Asian average IQ is high. But IQ is a bell curve and there are many at the left end amongst East Asians too. So…
    Actually your comments have much more in common with low IQ Hinduvadi fools than you think.

  293. Yee says:

    Anon[561],

    “Why does China go on stealing intellectual property generated in and by the people and institutions of other countries? ”

    You realize intellectual property is privately owned, don’t you? They don’t belong to “other countries”, they’re private. There’s hardly any need to steal, except perhaps for military technology. They can be bought, so China bought them.

    This private ownership of technology is very convenient, I must say. Offer them enough money, the owners will sell. After all, the point of owning those technologies is to make money.

    Personally, I am against monopoly of knowledge. Although monopoly is the best way to make money, but it always hinder the advancing of technology. But since the West makes the rules, private ownership in other countries is the next best thing for China.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  294. Malla says:
    @Joe Wong

    It has been proven time and again on the UNZ that White has lower IQ and productivity than Asian, you are obviously lying.

    The Industrial Revolution started in England and it is that revolution which eventually gave us this modern Industrial technological World today. Did the Chinese have railways, aircrafts, automobiles etc… when the Europeans first came there? I think not.

  295. Silva says:
    @Vojkan

    Rwanda and Burundi are an exception, having been kingdoms that passed from Tutsis to Germans, then to Belgians (unrelated to Leopold), then to independence again. Their areas are larger than the pre-colonial ones because the Germans supported their Tutsi king vassals’ expansion.

  296. Malla says:
    @Joe Wong

    Even nowadays, despite Chinese supporting the Americans and Westerners the life style they can not afford themselves, but the Americans are still complaining

    White devil American always complain, that is their devil nature but why are the noble Africans complaining about noble Chinese?
    Check post 199.
    Why Why?

    Europeans and their offshoots are liars, pirates, and cult fanatics like Muslims, they are morally defunct beyond the imagination of Chinese.

    Because they are White and Brown devils. So it is the nature of Muslims and Europeans to behave like that.
    But why are noble Africans calling noble Chinese liars and pirates. Check post 199.
    Why Why?

  297. Yee says:

    And Anon[561], there’s no need to fix your criticism on China, unless you represent England.

    Industrial Revolution started in England, spreaded to France and Germany, and then to the US, Japen, these countries either stole or bought technologies as well, they didn’t re-invent everything.

    China is just going the same route. 200 years late, but 200 years isn’t that much in the long history of human development.

  298. Silva says:
    @Malla

    Taiwan was colonized because the Dutch wanted an outpost in China (which didn’t include Taiwan – which had migrant Han uncovered by Chinese laws), but the (Ming) emperor said “Nope. Go to that island, it’s none of my business.”. And Koxinga booted them, then got booted by the Qing, which is how Taiwan fell to China (for the first and only time).

    • Replies: @Malla
  299. @Malla

    Low-caste Indians were converting to Islam in South India prior to the arrival of the Europeans.

    To some degree, getting rid of Brahmin HAS improved Kerala. South India is the only place in India that socialism sort of worked.

    Socialism was always a total disaster in Northern India.

    The Muslims were right, by the way.

    Things did become dangerous in Hindu North India (But not the South) when the British left. They still are today.

    • Replies: @Malla
  300. Anon[561] • Disclaimer says:
    @Joe Wong

    If you weren’t claiming, no doubt correctly, to be ethnically Chinese you would have a good chance of being accepted as white trash. (Like attilathehen). It is really rather pathetic that you haven’t understood that class is again the big divide with the billionaires being allowed to play their games but the the major distinction now in a modern prosperous world being that between the Anywhere People and the Somewhere People with the latter gathering up sad wannabes like you out of charity to the homeless (when they’re not kicking you in the face as an outsider in their limited and limiting homeland).

  301. Malla says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    I think the Chinese civilisation was a bit different from Islamic and European civilisation as in they rarely got fanatical about religion or ideology. Chinese culture was more towards building harmony among many complicated social forces and this needs a high level of intelligence and tact. That is why the Chinese found European culture very different and a bit too linear. The Europeans on the other hand, at least Christian missionaries were very linear about Christian morality and the desire to spread morality around the world (White Man’s burden), they were right in their own way and the Chinese were right and pragmatic in their own way. I think this experience jolted the Chinese. This explains some of Joe Wongs comments. But what is interesting is how some Chinese became extremely linearly fanatical about Maoist Communism all of them waving their Mao’s red books. Very interesting.

  302. @Malla

    I have reservations about treating the John Birch Society as a reliable, let alone authoritative, source – and I think you should also.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
  303. Truth says:
    @Malla

    I think Hindus call it the Kaliuga, the state we are now in.

    Practically every woman celebrity, everywhere was born a man. I estimate to people at 95% which I think is a little low. This is in Europe, in Nigeria, in India, In Japan and everywhere else. It is a worldwide Satanic conspiracy.

    PS, you look at a few Indian movies, you will notice how “girly-looking” a few of the dudes are. They may be tall, and be projected as macho, but, …yep.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Truth
  304. Malla says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    You are free to have your reservations but Andrei Fursov does not belongs to the John Birch Society. He probably never heard of the John Birch Society.

  305. denk says:
    @Malla

    US punish Israel for selling arms to China but ,
    Tel Aviv is allowed to export hi tech weaponry to India, even if its at the expense of murikkan MIC !

    and now,
    I understand Washington is considering a waiver of sanction on India, over its intent to purchase s400 from Russia……

    Now, This is what I call a very special relationship .

    dONT by coy, you are the new chosen people.

    hhhhh

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
  306. Malla says:
    @Truth

    Hey Truths, but her ring fingers seem shorter than her index fingers. She seems a she.

  307. Malla says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    To some degree, getting rid of Brahmin HAS improved Kerala. South India is the only place in India that socialism sort of worked.

    In South India, the Brahmin population percentage was very thin. The stronghold of the Brahmins is my ancestral homeland, the Gangetic plains of UP and Bihar. No wonder that part of India called ‘the cow belt’ is the most screwed up part of India. Brahmins are smart but they tend to be exploitative.
    However not all Brahmins are bad, many westernized Brahmins are just normal good people and many individuals are very good people. But that is true for all peoples on Earth.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  308. denk says:
    @Malla

    You reminds me of that FKS MAX dude, both are youtube vid freaks.

    some people figure that vid are more ‘convincing’ than articles,
    thats naive .

    The litmus test for both vid/links is the same….

    Is the source credible ? [youtube is infested with tons of CIA fake news, now you dont need a phd to figure that out !]

    Is the narrator /’witness’ himself credible ?

    Is his pov credible/verifiable ?

    last but not least, even if his claim is verified,
    is it representative of population at large ?

    No point grabbing vid from youtube if none of the above an be verified.

    Lets go scientific,

    somebody [not ccp] has actually done a massive onsite survey and concludes that Chinese investments in Africa mostly live up to its reputation….bringing jobs to Africa and tranfering technology to the locals.
    A win/win proposition.

    ‘Contrary to popular belief, these scenarios are not unusual. A groundbreaking McKinsey report last year, which surveyed more than 1,000 Chinese companies in construction, manufacturing, trade, real estate, and services in eight African countries, including Ethiopia, found that on average 89% of employees were African.

    Several million African jobs had been created by China on the continent. Nearly two-thirds of Chinese companies provided skills training, while half offered apprenticeships, and a third had introduced a new technology.

    It was the first time a large-scale dataset on Chinese hiring practices in Africa had been made available, and it rebutted the criticisms voiced by Tillerson. “I believe that (his claim) was very short-sighted,” Arkebe says.
    It’s hard to believe a secretary of state was misinformed.

    https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2018/08/world/china-africa-ethiopia-manufacturing-jobs-intl/

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
    , @Malla
  309. @Malla

    There is an old Sean Connery film with Michael Caine called MAN WHO WOULD BE KING based on a true story of two delusional Redcoat Brits who decide to truck up to a Kashmir village and try to convince the locals they are kings.

    The British commander tells them that Alexander was killed there.

    If you look at the castes of the Punjab and North India they are essentially the remnants of earlier races that reached the end of the line in India.

    The Aryans probably never intended to “invade” India, they just ended up there following cattle in their wagons (They apparently were the first groups to master the horse and wheel).

    Out of the Scythian come the Rajputs.

    The Jatts are apparently descended from Greeks soldiers.

    Tamerlane ended up defeated there.

    What’s my point?

    That North Indians are essentially a new race composed of the world’s dead empires.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
  310. denk says:
    @Malla

    In view of India’s perfidy in the 1959 CIA/RAW Tibet ‘uprising’ , 1962 border war, 2008 Tibet riots…
    again 2017 Doklam provocation,,,,..

    Why should China rush to accommodate India in this ‘terrorists’ fiasco ?

    Besides, how do we know India isnt crying wolf again,
    like it did in the ‘Valley of death‘ episode and the Mumbai FF etc ?

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
  311. Malla says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    BTW The U.S. Government has a long history of spreading communism around the world behind the scenes (as well as squashing communist movements when it does not suit them) while pretending to be a “champion of democracy”.
    An interview with Mr. Earl T. Smith, American Ambassador to Cuba in between 1957 and 1959.

    US Government Brought Fidel Castro to Power (Full Documentary)

    From the youtube page
    “A rare detailed account of the Communist takeover of Cuba and America’s role in Fidel Castro’s dictatorship. Former US Ambassador to Cuba, Earl T. Smith is interviewed and reveals the State Department’s involvement in violation of neutrality laws, supporting a known communist with a documented history of violent criminal behavior, and committing high treason by deliberately aiding an enemy of the United States and concealing a clear and imminent threat to our national security. This conspiracy against the citizens of Cuba has cost thousands of lives, devastated families, and has left the dispossessed Cubans stateless and destitute. It is a deliberate case of economic and cultural genocide that merits investigation and restitution. Please watch, share and expose. Smith also details this collusion in his book, “The Fourth Floor”, a curiously hard to find book he wrote in 1962 “as a footnote to history and to the science of government”. He added “I am convinced that my experience as the United States Ambassador to Cuba was unusual in the sense that I lived through the Castro Communist Revolution, and I feel that I owe it to the American people to try to establish the fact that the Castro Communist Revolution need never have occurred. From this experience, i learned not only that our techniques of relations with Cuba were faulty but that the modus operandi for the determination of policy is not only inadequate but dangerous to the defense of our country”

    Batista was their guy too but he was backstabbed just like the backstab suffered by the Chinese Nationalists.
    Mr Smith openly states that in general the United States has always prefered to support the spread of Left Winged dictators over Right Winged dictators because the lefties are considered more progressive. (a most dubious term, progressing towards what?)

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  312. Malla says:
    @denk

    Much bigger and complicated Kabuki for you to understand or comprehend. Give it a rest.

  313. Malla says:
    @denk

    In view of India’s perfidy in the 1959 CIA/RAW Tibet ‘uprising’ , 1962 border war, 2008 Tibet riots…
    again 2017 Doklam provocation,,,,..

    1959 Tibet Uprising by RAW???? 1962 border war with China by RAW??? Your bull shit has no limit. RAW did not even exist then!!!!! Indian RAW (Research and Analysis Wing) was created after 1962.

    • Replies: @denk
  314. Malla says:
    @Truth

    I think Hindus call it the Kaliuga, the state we are now in.

    Yeah Kaliyuga, we are in it now. In Hindu eschatology, the last avatar of Lord Vishnu, Kalki will come and will bring an end to this age and bring back Satya Yuga (age of truth). Similar to the coming back of Christ in Christian and Islamic eschatology (add the 12th Iman or Mahdi in certain Islamic sects) or the coming of Messiah in Jewish eschatology. Though many like Karl Marx and Israel Shamir believe that the Messiah is the Jewish people themselves.

    This is in Europe, in Nigeria, in India, In Japan and everywhere else. It is a worldwide Satanic conspiracy.

    In the Nigerian movie Industry too!!!!Wow, it really is world wide.

  315. Malla says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    There is an old Sean Connery film with Michael Caine called MAN WHO WOULD BE KING based on a true story of two delusional Redcoat Brits who decide to truck up to a Kashmir village and try to convince the locals they are kings.

    That was a great movie and a great performance by Micheal Caine and Shaun Connery. But it was not based in Kashmir but in Kafiristan in Afghanistan, now called Nuristan. It was based on a novel by Sir Rudyard Kipling by the same name. Just a century back, the people there in Nuristan were pagans and their religion resembled the original pure Aryan Vedic Hinduism not the Puranic mish mash Hindusim we have in India today. For example, you would have noticed in the movie they prayed to Imbra/Indra. Indra is basically the Indian version of Thor, the Thunder God as well as the Slavic thunder God Perun and the Greek Zues. They also had legends about Alexander the Great (locally called Sikandar). The Muslim Afghans had tried in vain for centuries to convert them but were not successful. Kaffiristanis were fierce warriors. But just a hundred years ago when the Muslim Afghans got European guns, they were finally able to conquer and convert them. So Kafiristan was renamed as Nuristan and now they are some of the most devout Muslims in Afghanistan and some of the fiercest fighters during the Soviet Campaign too. Indeed I believe it is they who fought the Soviets the most fiercest of all the Afghans. Many of them have light eyes, light hair and very fair skin.

    The book’s/movie’s message or Rudyard Kipling’s message (as I understand is) that the British Indian Empire was created by adventurous men like Robert Clive but later the Empire was run by bureaucrats who did not want to loot but govern their subjects well. And that screwed everything up. If the adventurous men had just looted and went away, the British Indian story would have ended well but when they try to wisely and benevolently govern complicated places like India, things screw up and they end up getting hated. So you see Shaun Connery’s character Daniel Dravot wants to rule wisely like Alexander the Great and he brings great justice and prosperity in the land. But everything screws up at the end. He could have taken the great treasure given by the priests and left and he and Peachy Carnehan (Micheal Caine) would have been very very rich men. Could have retired as rich men in London or the Bahamas But noo.. He wanted to benevolently rule the people there. His rule was benevolent but it all screwed up at the end. The man they meet in the newspaper office represents Kipling himself.
    So the message for would be imperials is if you conquer, just loot and leave, do not try to be wise and benevolent rules in places like India. You will always screw up at the end. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. This story is about the British Raj in India.

    • Replies: @Malla
  316. denk says:
    @Malla

    I didnt say RAW in 1962 war.

    As for 1959, we shall settle for Washington/Delhi’s role
    for now/

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @DB Cooper
    , @Malla
  317. Malla says:

    The Aryans probably never intended to “invade” India, they just ended up there following cattle in their wagons (They apparently were the first groups to master the horse and wheel).

    There is a theory that the Aryans who came to India came because of religious differences with another group of Aryans in Persia. They were like the Pilgrims who went to America because of their differences with the established church in England.
    See in many Aryan cultures including India, the Devas are good Gods. The word for God in Lithuanian is ‘Dievas’, in Latin it is ‘Deus’. In Hindu culture Gods are called ‘Devas’.
    Now always remember that Sanskrit ‘s’ becomes ‘h’ in Persia. So the term ‘Hindu’ is a Persian term for the Indus river, the Sanskrit term for it is Sindhu. ‘S’ of Sanskrit became ‘H’ in Persian.
    In Hindusim Devas are the Good Gods but Ashuras are the bad Gods. There are constant battles in between them. But the Persians did something very strange among all the Aryan peoples. Of all the Aryans they for some reason reversed the whole thing where the ‘ahuras’ (asuras with a h in Persian) became the good Gods and the Devas became the bad Gods. Thus the Vedic main God or Deva Indra becomes a bad demon God in Persian mythology. They just reversed the whole thing. When the Persians became monotheist under Zoroastrianism, their One God was called ‘Ahura Mazda’. Ahura is Asura with an ‘h’ in place of a ‘s’. It is due this mismatch the Aryans who wanted to continue the original order of Gods decided to leave Persia and come to India and became the Indian Aryans.

  318. Malla says:
    @denk

    India was an enemy of USA in 1959. We were an ally of USSR.

    • Replies: @denk
  319. Malla says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Tamerlane ended up defeated there.

    Talermane raped and pillaged Delhi and killed hundreds of thousands. We escaped the original Mongol armies of Genghis Khan. We were lucky and for some strange reason, Genghis Khan did not seem interested in treasure rich India. He wanted an empire from the Atlantic to the Pacific. We did not mind that, we were happy we escaped. The Persians and Arabs got raped (literally) by the Mongols and even the Russians and Chinese were conquered by them, they failed conquering Japan tho. But we Indians escaped but could not escape his descendants like Tamerlane (Timur) and finally Babar who founded the Mughal Empire. Babur was Uzbek Uyghur Mongol ancestry.

  320. Malla says:
    @denk

    I didnt say RAW in 1962 war.

    Ofcourse you did, check the original post no.322

    India’s perfidy in the 1959 CIA/RAW Tibet ‘uprising’ , 1962 border war

    • Replies: @denk
  321. Malla says:
    @Silva

    Cool thanks for the info. I guess Taiwan was called Formosa them.

  322. denk says:
    @Malla

    Officially, that’s :-)

    In 1962 war, it had the backing of both USA and USSR,

    Even today, its fervently courted by USA/RUSSIA/CHINA

    lucky you !

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
  323. DB Cooper says:
    @Dana Thompson

    “Like her brother, she [Jetsun Pema] seems like a person of considerable charm and intelligence.”

    Don’t know much about Jetsun Pema, may be she is a black sheep in the family and not an a$$hole like her brother and her other sister, Tsering Dolma who is also an a$$hole.

    http://transmissionsmedia.com/the-dark-side-of-dalai-lama/

    Here is an excerpt of the article about Her A$$Holiness Tsering Dolma:

    “In characteristic nepostic fashion (see Michael Backman’sexcellent article on the Dalai Lama’s Nepotism, and also his book ‘The Asian Insider’) the Dalai Lama appointed his elder sister, Tsering Dolma, to manage the funds donated for the welfare of the Tibetans orphans. A western visitor to the orphanage described the conditions she found there:
    ‘Some one thousand refugees, mainly children, lived there. Two hundred boys slept in one room, arranged with bunk beds all around the walls and with mattresses covering the floor. The boys slept crosswise to a mattress seven on each one of them. The girls slept in smaller rooms in similar conditions.
    Overcrowding was rife and of course infections spread like wildfire. Tibetan children were used to the relatively germ-free conditions of the Tibetan plateau and were vulnerable to the diseases of the Indian plains especially while travelling across them to reach Dharamsala. They had no immunity to the diseases of a hot climate. Many children died during a measles outbreak and from hepatitis from infected water. Most children suffered from scabies, eye and ear infections, worms, dysentery. Many got pneumonia and other respiratory infections.’

    She found Dalai Lama’s sister’s attitude to the orphans heartbreaking:
    ‘Mrs Tsering Dolma was most concerned lest Westerners who occasionally visited showed too much affection to the children.’

    As Tom Grunfeld noted in his book, The Making of Modern Tibet:
    ‘ …while the children in her care were frequently on the verge of starvation, [Tsering Dolma] was noted for her formal twelve-course luncheons. Meanwhile, in bitterly cold weather the children were clad in thin, sleeveless cotton frocks―though when VIPs visit the Upper Nursery, every child there is dressed warmly in tweeds, wool, heavy socks, and strong boots.’”

  324. denk says:
    @Malla

    Your faulty interpretation,

    • Replies: @Malla
  325. Malla says:
    @denk

    US punish Israel for selling arms to China but ,
    Tel Aviv is allowed to export hi tech weaponry to India, even if its at the expense of murikkan MIC !

    Why use Israel when USA can give directly?

    https://www.econlib.org/lets-transfer-more-technology-to-china/

    Let’s transfer more technology to China
    American Scott Sumner is encouraging USA to give more technology to China.

    “Noah Smith has a new Bloomberg column that expresses worry about too much technology being transferred to China. This partly reflects a widespread concern about China stealing technology, which might reduce the incentive of inventors to create new ideas. But most of Smith’s column focuses on more legitimate forms of technology transfer, such as Chinese foreign investments and joint ventures with Western firms.”

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/08/14/china-must-stop-forcing-us-firms-share-intellectual-property-peter-navarro-column/563151001/

    China must stop forcing U.S. firms to share intellectual property: Trump trade official
    Peter Navarro, USA Today Aug. 14, 2017
    When a U.S. company turns over technology in exchange for access to today’s Chinese market, it creates a Chinese competitor in tomorrow’s global markets.

    https://www.chinabusinessreview.com/transferring-technology-to-transform-china-is-it-worth-it/

    Transferring Technology to Transform China—Is It Worth It?
    Over the past 30 years, PRC leaders have adopted numerous policies to encourage technology transfer. Leveraging foreign interest in its huge market, China’s leaders expected companies to provide access to high-tech products and systems as evidence of their commitment to China’s growth and development.

    USA give technology directly to secret butt buddy PR China. No need of Israel.

    hehehe

    • Replies: @denk
  326. Truth says:
    @Truth

    I have nothing against this person and yes she has a nice voice. I hope that her life is productive and that she is kind to people, but the finger thing is a indication, not a smoking gun. About 5% of women, from what I have read, have a longer ring finger.

    This thing just is what it is…

    • Replies: @Malla
  327. Malla says:
    @Malla

    Jeff come to think of it you are right. India is really some kind of Graveyard of Empires. Maybe that is Rudyard Kipling’s message. If you try playing Alexander the Great, marry a Roxanne (as Daniel Dravot, Shaun Connery’s character, tries doing), try to be glorious etc… you will end up like Alexander.

    The Movie is a classic

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  328. Malla says:
    @denk

    In 1962 war, it had the backing of both USA and USSR,

    No it did not.

    Besides how could both USA and USSR support us. Are you agreeing that the famous ‘Cold War’ in between the USA and USSR was fake? We have all being fooled??

    • Replies: @DB Cooper
  329. @Jeff Stryker

    “Why should a white man bother?” Again, you have summed up exactly what you are: a coward. You are to blame for your problems and degeneracy, not anyone else. Your long-winded responses are worthless. The words cowardly cuck are your apt description. Again, why waste your time railing against the West? You no longer live here and have no genetic connection.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  330. @sb

    The son will most likely marry an Asian and the daughter may marry a black guy. The Chinese wife and daughter voted for Obummer. That’s a hint as to what kind of male they like. The Chinese wife did not show gratitude for having been rescued from working in a rice paddy her entire life. The daughter is pretty degenerate. The son had to be put in the army to straighten him out.

    Most hapas marry other Asians or blacks. I see this where I live. Derbyshire could have redeemed himself if his China woman would have made a statement at an AmRen conference that Asians are a second-tier race, that China is an inferior country and the West is best. She will never do this this because she believes China is the greatest country on the planet. The degenerate Derbyshire wrote an article stating that Asians are smarter than whites. This is not true. And, comparing the Chinese to the Japanese, the Japanese are smarter than the Chinese. Which country is better? Japan or China?

    No, it is rare for a hapa to want to have white offspring.

    Why do you spend time in Thailand? Australia, that I understand.

    • Replies: @sb
  331. DB Cooper says:
    @Malla

    Just because there was Cold War between the USA and USSR doesn’t mean India cannot have good relation with both. India at that time has good relations with both the US and USSR, just like today. Kennedy was an open admirer of Nehru. In fact during the brief 1962 war Nehru cabled Kennedy for emergency supplies of arms but China end the war abruptly before the US has a chance to act upon the request.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
    , @Malla
  332. Malla says:
    @denk

    What rubbish are you spewing, USA was always on the side of Pakistan. Pakistan was India’s enemy. India was on the side of USSR. Pakistan was the USA’s best buddy in the region and helped the USA in the war in Afghanistan against the Soviet Union. China too was friend of Pakistan. Pakistan played a big role in improving relationship in between the USA and PRC during Chairman Mao and President Nixon and Henry Kissinger. I see a Pakistan, USA, PRC lovefest. How was USA on India’s side? India was on the side of USSR and always voted against the USA in the UN on the side of the USSR.

    Don’t you know basic history?

  333. Malla says:
    @DB Cooper

    The USA was always a greater friend of Paksitan. Pakistan was our enemy. India was on the side of the USSR. China had relations with the USA and USSR too after Nixon. So what?
    Pakistan bought most of its weapons from the USA, we bought most of our weapons from the USSR. How hard is that to understand? Also the USA had sent battleships against India in the Bay of Bengal in the 1971 Indo Pak war in which Bangladesh got independence from Pakistan. The USA tried everything it could to help Pakistan, it could not. The Indian Army moved in ahd helped Bangladesh get independence. Both the USA and China were on Pakistan’s side but haplessly watched from the sides as Indian forces moved into East Pakistan. We had Soviet support of course. So how did we have a special relationship with the USA?

  334. Malla says:
    @Truth

    I have nothing against this person and yes she has a nice voice. I hope that her life is productive and that she is kind to people, but the finger thing is a indication, not a smoking gun.

    Honestly Truths you did not need to give this disclaimer. Why would you have anything against her? Chill.

    About 5% of women, from what I have read, have a longer ring finger.

    I did not know that. I just looked at that indicator while re listening to the song. It really makes no difference to me if ‘she’ is a ‘he’. We are sorrounded by these deceptions, one more person makes no difference. You are one of the few on Unz who atleast knows and accepts this conspiracy. Most do not.

  335. Malla says:
    @DB Cooper

    Just because there was Cold War between the USA and USSR doesn’t mean India cannot have good relation with both.

    Having good relationships does not mean the same as backing for a war, is it? There is no way two enemy superpowers will support the same country in war like the 1962 war. Either the Cold War was fake or semi fake, or India did not have the support of both. China has had good relationships with the USA and USSR/Russian Federation at the same time.

  336. Malla says:
    @DB Cooper

    Kennedy was an open admirer of Nehru.

    Makes no difference. USA is a democracy and new Presidents get elected.

    Under other Presidents it at times became worse

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/jun/29/india.usa

    “Former US president Richard Nixon called then-Indian prime minister Indira Gandhi an “old witch” and Indians a “slippery treacherous people”, according to recently released transcripts of Oval Office tapes.
    The comments were made during a private conversation between Nixon and his national security adviser, Henry Kissinger, on November 5 1971, and Mr Kissinger appeared to support his views.

    “We really slobbered over the old witch,” Nixon told Mr Kissinger of his meeting with Gandhi the previous day.

    “While she was a bitch, we got what we wanted too,” Mr Kissinger said. “She will not be able to go home and say that the United States didn’t give her a warm reception and therefore in despair she’s got to go to war.””

    “Indians are “a slippery, treacherous people,” Nixon said.

    “The Indians are bastards anyway,” Mr Kissinger replied. “They are the most aggressive goddamn people around.”

    The transcripts and other newly declassified documents were released yesterday as part of a state department collection of significant documents on UN foreign policy. They cover the build up to the 1971 India-Pakistan war, which led to the creation of Bangladesh.”

    “Relations between India and the US were strained for decades as a result of cold war alliances, and they have only recently improved. ”

    More on Indo US relationships

    1966: In response to India’s criticism of the US intervention in Vietnam, President Lyndon B. Johnson restricted the supply of grain shipments to India under Public Law 480 programme.
    1967: A predominantly Anti-American worldview led India to reject a founding membership in the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN).
    1968: India rejected the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) proposed by the world’s leading nuclear powers.
    1971: The USA had maintained a studious silence on Pakistan’s repressive policies in East Pakistan. The then Secretary of State Henry Kissinger visited Delhi to make India comply to not support liberation movements in East Pakistan. Indira Gandhi’s intransigence was met with diplomatic muscle-flexing. Next month, India signed a Treaty of Friendship, Peace and Cooperation with the Soviet Union, seen as a blatant shift from India’s Non-Alignment policies. US President Richard Nixon in a retaliatory move chose to explicitly tilt American policy in favour of Pakistan and suspended $87 million worth of economic aid to India. American naval fleet USS Enterprise traversed the Bay of Bengal, issuing mild threats. India won the Bangladesh Liberation War as the Pakistani Army embarrassingly surrendered more than 90,000 troops.
    1974: India conducted its first nuclear weapon test at Pokhran, and it came as a major jolt to the USA who made plans to upgrade its presence at Diego Garcia, a British-controlled island in the Indian ocean.

    • Replies: @DB Cooper
  337. Malla says:
    @denk

    Your faulty interpretation,

    Nice try denk, to get out of a corner. Will not work.

  338. Anonymous[103] • Disclaimer says:
    @sb

    Europeans were lucky with their geographic location which made them the natural discoverers of America. (We can indeed ask why it took them so long…)

    It was the wealth of America that turned Europe into the powerhouse it subsequently became.

    • LOL: Wizard of Oz
    • Replies: @Malla
  339. Anonymous[103] • Disclaimer says:
    @Yee

    All rising nations ‘steal’ the ideas of established powers. The Americans were notorious for this in the 19th century. European patents and copyrights did not apply in the U.S. and the U.S. government laughed at Europeans who tried to enforce them there.

  340. Malla says:
    @denk

    somebody [not ccp] has actually done a massive onsite survey and concludes that Chinese investments in Africa mostly live up to its reputation….bringing jobs to Africa and tranfering technology to the locals.
    A win/win proposition.

    Paid money by the CCP to write good points about China Africa investsments. Yeah rite….
    Explain that to Africans who are complaining and calling China the new colonialist.

  341. DB Cooper says:
    @Malla

    “Kennedy was an open admirer of Nehru. Makes no difference. ”

    Yes Nixon dislike Indira but the 1962 war happened when Kennedy was the president, who was an open admirer of Nehru. US-India relations during the Nixon years is irrelevant because we are talking about the war in 1962.

    India was never anti-United States the way North Korea, Iran or Castro’s cuba was. Just because India was considered in the Soviet camp doesn’t mean it does not have good relation with the US during the Kennedy’s years. India prides itself for having an independent foreign policy and make sure its relation with the US was never too bad to preserve its strategic leverage.

    “Having good relationships does not mean the same as backing for a war, is it? There is no way two enemy superpowers will support the same country in war like the 1962 war. ”

    Yes it happened because the target country is China, which at that time has hostile relations with both the Soviet Union and the United States. Have you heard of the phrase “my enemy’s enemy is my friend”? And India wasn’t even an enemy of the US. It just have a closer working relationship with the USSR than the US. Don’t you think the US likes to see China get a beating from India? When the war didn’t go the way India wants Nehru wrote to Kennedy seeking fighter jets from the US.

    https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/nehru-sought-us-assistance-during-1962-indo-china-war-says-new-book-1232058

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
  342. Malla says:
    @DB Cooper

    India was never anti-United States the way North Korea, Iran or Castro’s cuba was.

    Castro? The USA got Castro into power. Do not give this show enemity.

    India during the cold war was most of the time anti American. Ask any Indian above the age of 50 (I am only 27 but I talk to my relatives), he or she will tell you that in those days we considered our country anti American. It is only recently among the young crowd that he USA has become more popular but even then most Indians do not trust the USA that much, it is just that they trust China even less.

    Just because India was considered in the Soviet camp doesn’t mean it does not have good relation with the US during the Kennedy’s years.

    Kennedy Years? How long did that last? Is that the entire Cold War? Was he the only President
    during the Cold War? Was there no Nixon or Carter or Reagan?

    India prides itself for having an independent foreign policy and make sure its relation with the US was never too bad to preserve its strategic leverage.

    India may have an independent foreign policy but it is common knowledge we were in the Soviet camp and pretty anti American.

    Yes it happened because the target country is China

    The World does not revolve around China. Do not behave like a Chinese version of a dumb Indian Nationalist, who believes that the world is out to get India. That both USA and China wants to keep us down.

    Don’t you think the US likes to see China get a beating from India?

    Yes, maybe as a democracy defeating a Communist country.
    Listen, let me get one thing clear. India’s problems with China has very little to do with the West. We had an independent problem with China on the border issue. The Indian people wanted action against China, Nehru had no option. Anglos are not even involved and Indian people do not give a rats ass about what Anglos think. It is the masses of India who wanted the Government to take action against China. They looked at China as the new British.
    If this is the official policy of the PRC that India’s action against China is just an extension of the West, IT IS A BIG BLUNDER. India will oppose China to safeguard her interest even if the West, the whole Anglo World comes on China’s Side. Get that straight. That is why India did not sign the NPT because it felt it unacceptable and discriminatory that only the five nuclear powers have the right to have nuclear weapons. The Anglos opposed us, arm twisted us to sign the NPT. All the 5 permanent members of an outdated system in the UN wanted us to sign the NPT as it was not in any of their interest to have another nuclear power. It was not in America’s interest, not in Soviet interest, not in British interest, not in French interest nor in China’s interest that there be a new nuclear power outside the NPT. We showed the whole world the middle finger and did not sign the NPT. And we went ahead with nuclear tests. As a nuclear scientist told on BBC hard talk that it was a conspiracy by the White Yellow countries to deny us the ability to have nuclear weapons. But we will have nuclear weapons. The Anglos can go to hell, the Chinese can go to hell, the French can go to hell, it is in the interest of India to have nucelar weapons, we will get nuclear weapons, that is the stand the government took. We faced American sanctions for the nuclear tests, most Indians were bravely ready to face American sanctions, to make any sacrifice. And the main reason was that most Indians do not trust China or the USA.
    My main point here is: India’s difficult relationship with China is only a partial extension of the West. At best 20%. 80% of India’s difficulties with China is because India feels her interests are being violated, West can go to hell. It has nothing to do with the West. India always looks out for her interests irrespective of what the West does and feels. We have relationships with Iran as well as Russia even if USA opposes.

    When the war didn’t go the way India wants Nehru wrote to Kennedy seeking fighter jets from the US.

    What option did Nehru have? The Soviet Union would not act against another Communist country. And Nehru was very humbled going to the Americans as Nehru had always supported the Soviets in nearly all policies against the USA. But the situation demanded this action. The Americans were having the time of their lives to see arrogant pro Soviet India coming to them and begging for help.

    • Replies: @DB Cooper
    , @Jeff Stryker
  343. Malla says:
    @Anonymous

    It was the wealth of America that turned Europe into the powerhouse it subsequently became.

    What are you smoking? European countries were powerhouses when the USA was a weakling.

    Europeans were lucky with their geographic location which made them the natural discoverers of America.

    Why didn’t the Africans discover America? Africa is quite close to South America. Why didn’t the Native Americans discover Europe?

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  344. Malla says:
    @DB Cooper

    From the link provided by you

    https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/nehru-sought-us-assistance-during-1962-indo-china-war-says-new-book-1232058

    “The main objective of Mao Zedong, the founding father of the People’s Republic of China, to attack India in 1962 was to “humiliate” Mr Nehru who was emerging as a leader of the third world, the book said.”

    Now tell me how can India trust such an aggressive and unstable country like China at its borders who only enjoys to humiliate our leader out of jealousy of his popularity? Now you understand why we need nuclear weapons and long range missiles to protect ourselves and to make sure something like this does not happen. That is why we were ready to eat grass to get nukes, even when USA put sanctiosn against us. Fortunately we are developing them at great speed.

    However the linked article also makes it clear that China wanted to humiliate the Soviets as well as the Americans, so you have a point. What is with you commie countries? Cannot even remain allies in a cold war? Soviets and Chinese?

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  345. lulu says:

    By your logic, Syria doesn’t exist because US/Kurd occupies its East/North, Turkey occupies the North, Islam extremists/Jihadists/rebels occupies the North/West, yet Assad government is still the sole international recognized legitimate government.

    So did Chiang’s government represent China internally and internationally despite the warlords and Japanese invaders.

    The current Dalai Lama was officiated by Chiang’s Government in 1940 as it had been done since 1793, the year when Qing Emperor officially set the rule that all reincarnation of high ranking lamas would be officiated by the Central government.

    Pls take a look at my post @102 and get yourself informed.

    Just because BigLie MSM cut the historical facts about Tibet and China off its reports, that doesn’t mean you should get yourself fooled by MSM to buy into its misleading narratives.

  346. lulu says:
    @Malla

    China’s map still marked Sikkim as independent country until a few years ago when China and India settled the border along China-ex-Sikkim Kingdom.

    • Replies: @Malla
  347. Malla says:
    @denk

    Why should China rush to accommodate India in this ‘terrorists’ fiasco ?

    Oh so China decides which terrorists are true and which terrorists are fiascos according to her own convenience. Nice logic……

  348. DB Cooper says:

    There are many points I want to address but I pick some for now.

    “The Soviet Union would not act against another Communist country.”

    But it did. The Sino-Soviet split dates back to 1956 and by 1962 relation between China and the Soviet Union were extemely hostile. The Soviet Union has a border war with China in 1969 regarding the Zhenbao island.

    Kennedy Years? How long did that last?
    Long enough that it spans the one month long border war between India and China in 1962.

  349. lulu says:
    @jaylon

    Same here!

    It never stop amazing me that people who are pretty cynical about MSM when talking about Russia, Iran and Syria, even Libya “suddenly and full-heartedly” embrace the sppon-fed bullcrap about China, be it Tibet or Uyghurs, without one bit of critical thinking!

    Is it a racial issue, ideological issue or both?

  350. Malla says:
    @denk

    Is the source credible ? [youtube is infested with tons of CIA fake news, now you dont need a phd to figure that out !]

    Is the narrator /’witness’ himself credible ?

    Is his pov credible/verifiable ?

    Are you such a dumb fool? Umar Johnson is CIA agent? Tell that to a black American guy, he would laugh so hard, you would probably faint. Julius Malema, the revolutionary leader of South Africa, a CIA agent? Julius Malema who is against Whites and the West? Umar Johnson who is very anti White, anti Anglo, A CIA agent?
    Ask any Nigerian if she is credible, go ahead ask. Ask any Kenyan if Dr. Mumbi is credible.
    So only what China says is credible but others are not credible? Wow. Nice logic.
    China not likey likey, claim CIA did it. Bam problem solved, lose credibility. China likey likey, it is credible. Wow so nice.

  351. lulu says:
    @Malla

    Thanks for sharing!

    Like the Tibetan guy’s singing. Are they allowed to sing in Tibetan/Chinese/whatever their mother tongues?

    • Replies: @Malla
  352. DB Cooper says:
    @Malla

    “India’s difficult relationship with China is only a partial extension of the West. At best 20%. 80% of India’s difficulties with China is because India feels her interests are being violated, West can go to hell. ”

    That I can agree. India has difficult relation with not just China but practically every single of its neighbors. The often touted only one good relation India has between India and Bhutan is only because Bhutan assumes a totally submissive posture towards India and when India senses Bhutan didn’t show enough deference towards India it can come down hard on Bhutan. The reason India feels her interests are being violated is because India still carries the colonial mindset of sphere of influence in her neighborhood in the British Raj mentality. Only this time India is the British Raj.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @Malla
  353. lulu says:
    @DB Cooper

    The Flying Tigers have always been well remembered in China.

    During the war time, Chinese tried their best to save the American pilots who were shot down by Japanese; Some Chinese were even killed for saving and protecting these injured pilots because the Japanese couldn’t locate where the shot-down pilots were so they killed those who saved them.

    Isn’t it crazy today American regard the Japanese as their friends and Chinese as their enemy?!

    • Replies: @DB Cooper
  354. lulu says:
    @Malla

    Stalin wanted to divide China but along the Yangtze River: CPC in the Northern; Chiang Kaishek in the Southern. But Mao wouldn’t listen to him, and drove Chiang and Kumingtang all the way to Taiwan.

    In fact, USSR first gave much more support to Kumingtang than Chinese Communist Party at the begining. Chiang’s eld son, Chiang Ching-kuo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiang_Ching-kuo), who became the President after his dad, went to study and lived in USSR for 12 years, and married a Russian woman, with whom he had four children.

    Mao is more a nationalist than a communist, IMO. He didn’t enjoy a good relationship with Stalin, was pushed out the power several times by the InterCom before 1940s. He broke the relationship with USSR in end of 1950 – early 1960s.

    China and USSR didn’t normalised their relationship till 1989 when Gorbachev paid a visit to China.

    • Replies: @Malla
  355. lulu says:
    @Malla

    Have you ever read this “I was a Tantric sex slave” (http://www.trimondi.de/EN/deba02.html)?

    For years June Campbell was the`consort`of a senior Tibetan Buddhist monk. She was threatened with death if she broke her vow of secrecy. But then enlightenment can be like that.

    For those who don’t know the true face of Tantric Buddhism, this can be a rude waken-up. It is far away from the typical MSM and Hollywood narratives.

    • Replies: @Malla
  356. @Malla

    The Nair in Kerala sure wanted to get rid of the few there were.

    The interesting thing about Jews, to the extent that they are an influential group, is their ability to fly under the radar.

    St. Thomas Christians are some sort of Syrian Jew minority and highly influential in Kochi but managed not to be so glaringly obvious about it.

  357. @Malla

    Africans did not even discover of Madagascar. It was Indonesians who first reached that island.

    The United States was a European colony-Britain’s, Holland’s, France’s, Spain’s, Russia’s. Britain set up the vast agrarian US South, Holland established the world trade in New York when that was Dutch Colony, France owned the interior of the US, Spain and Russia owned California.

    So it got the mantle when these powers receded.

    • Replies: @Malla
  358. @Malla

    I’m 44 and Indians my age had a love/hate relationship with Britain. To this day there are commonwealth ties.

    Prior to the IT industry in the 90′s when I was a teenager, the relationship was between UK and India.

    The US had a much more pivotal relationship with Pakistan because in those days they and Afghanistan were Cold War allies.

    You are also too young to remember when Kashmir was the world’s Syria with the US vacillating between India and Pakistan. Which was a concern for India.

  359. @Malla

    You’re too young to remember when Kashmir was the world’s Syria.

    The US sorta kinda backed Pakistan because it was a Cold War ally.

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  360. @attilathehen

    The place was full of people like you…that is why I left.

    Here’s a male revelation…we can go anywhere. As a Midwest townie female you cannot go overseas-fears about harassment by local males, bad yeast infections, no familial support network, unfamiliar surroundings…

    Males don’t care about these things.

    And the internal third world exurbs of the US interior are so rundown they can not even be called “the West”…they are almost an internal second world country.

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  361. @Malla

    Roxanne…the white trash Supremacist name for those who think they are noble Aryans…

  362. @DB Cooper

    How do you explain the similar mindset of China that does not need to grab the South China Sea and other rocks in neighbours’ waters to protect its territory from invasion or conquest?

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  363. @Numinous

    You’re wasting electrons, preaching to the non-convertible.

    One thing that characterises Anglocentric “lower the portcullis” types, is a complete rejection of

    ⓐ the fact that the Anglos showed no respect whatsoever for non-Anglo “immigration policies” (i.e., rights to exclude) when they swarmed over the Earth like a plague of locusts (after the development of ocean navigation and cannon); and

    ⓑ the ravages wrought by Anglo imperialism/colonialism didn’t stop the day that the colonists handed over the keys to the government of former colonies.

    Basically, the “stop the boats” narrative is based on the idea that the Anglos had a ‘right’ to steal people’s shit for centuries, then retreat to their castle, raise the drawbridge (and lower the portcullis)… anyone who complains is a low-IQ fuzzy-wuzzy, as is anyone who thinks that it makes sense to follow Whitey back to where all the stolen shit was sent.
    .

    I have said before – many, many times – that the ongoing shit-show in Sub-Saharan Africa is part of the legacy of colonialism; that legacy should not be expected to play out over the course of a few decades, but it will eventually be sorted out.

    The same is true in Northern Africa – if you extend the definition of Anglo-Saxon to include the French (a taxonomic mistake, but let’s use ‘Anglo’ instead of ‘Eurotrash’).
    .

    African colonialism ended in the mid-20th century: the notion that these former colonies should have wrestled themselves to parity with their former exploiters ‘by now’, is simply ludicrous. The aftermath of decolonisation is messy, and should be expected to take at least a generation even begin to stabilise.

    This is especially true since the standard practice before de-colonising was to grant long-tailed contracts giving resource-extraction rights to companies owned by (soon to be former) colonists. The incoming (indigenous) political leaders had to honour these, under pain of being excluded from international capital markets.

    This causes profit flows to continue to go offshore, and the indigenes are left with the returns to labour. The resource-rich Maghreb has (roughly) the same resource base per capita as Australia, but the profits from Australian resource-extraction have remained in Australia since Federation. And that is mostly by luck, for the simple reason that most of the Australian resource deposits were undiscovered in 1901; bauxite, iron ore, copper, uranium, oil, gas, coal, diamonds and most of the non-alluvial gold. (BHP was founded in 1885 as a tin and silver mine: they had no idea their claim included one of the world’s biggest deposits of silver, lead and zinc). If the English had known what resources Australia had, there’s a good chance that Australia would have had to undertake an armed struggle for independence like Algeria.

    But it gets no better in the generation or so after independence… the fledgling nation has to transform its infrastructure from a type designed to maximise colonists’ extractive revenue, to one designed to deliver services to its (still-deprived) society.

    That costs plenty and takes considerable engineering expertise, and that’s where the vampires get their foot in the door.

    First come the ‘aid-project vampires’ – where infrastructure projects are funded by a mix of debt and aid, where the aid is conditional on the use of lead contractors from the donor country. (This is ‘aid recycling’ – a particular favourite of the US, where it’s simply a disguised subsidy to KBR, Halliburton, and so forth). Those firms source everything except labour from their own region, and they transfer-price (i.e., feather-bed, over-charge and under-deliver), which in turn requires the debt portion of the project’s funding to be greater than anticipated.

    At every stage of the project, ‘consultants’ advise the fledgling government that the additional debt will not be too onerous, and plus, the reputation of the government is now inextricably tied to the completion of the project.

    By the end of the project, the project is late, and is way over budget; it’s carrying far too much debt, and that debt is issued on terms that insure that interest expense becomes a significant problem for the project, if not for the government.

    Then the second-stage vampires enter the scene, and ‘consultants’ from the IMF, ADB, World Bank and so forth advocate for the sale of these ‘debt-ridden’, ‘under-performing’ assets… to foreign entities.

    And all of a sudden, the water treatment infrastructure that was to provide potable water to the countryside at negligible cost… well, now it’s run by Veolia and the locals can’t afford its output – but Coke and Nestlé can.

    Give Africa another generation or two to get its feet under it: then hope that they don’t harbour the same grudges as the Chinese (do not for a second think that the Chinese have forgiven and forgotten the Opium Wars: they fucking hate the British in particular, but the West in general).

    And in the late-21st, early 22nd century ,don’t be surprised if the ‘estimate’ of the Sub-Saharan African IQ rises to parity with ‘us’ – in the same way that the Dutch and Irish ‘estimates’ from the mid-20th century presented both groups as almost retarded… now they’re on a par with ‘us’. Odd, that.

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  364. DB Cooper says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    China has no such mindset of sphere of influence. China couldn’t care less if its neighbors has good relations with other countries. China’s action on the South China Sea is about protecting its sovereignty on the islands in the South China Sea per international law.

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  365. @DB Cooper

    Since the only determination on the international legal situation was one that was against China (and which it refuses to recognise) would you please explain what you mean by the possibly ambiguous “according to international law” and how you reason the international legal position.

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  366. DB Cooper says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    “Since the only determination on the international legal situation was one that was against China (and which it refuses to recognise) would you please explain what you mean by the possibly ambiguous “according to international law” and how you reason the international legal position.”

    I guess you mean the PCA, Permanent Court of Arbitration which has no legal standing because 1) it is not an UN agency (although it shares the same building as the ICJ, Internation Court of Justice, which is an UN agency). 2)it is an arbritration service, not a court and the act of China refusal to participate makes the ruling void, 3) against the Unclos provision of no jursidiction on sovereignty matters.

    Here is a good article on China’s sovereignty on the islands in the South China Sea.

    https://chasfreeman.net/diplomacy-on-the-rocks-china-and-other-claimants-in-the-south-china-sea/

  367. Malla says:
    @lulu

    Like the Tibetan guy’s singing. Are they allowed to sing in Tibetan/Chinese/whatever their mother tongues?

    I think they are allowed to sing in their mother tongue but normally most contestants sing in Hindi.

  368. Malla says:
    @lulu

    In fact, USSR first gave much more support to Kumingtang than Chinese Communist Party at the begining.

    That is very true. Same with the USA, they wanted the Japanese and Kumingtang to fight each other and weaken each other.

    Mao is more a nationalist than a communist, IMO. He didn’t enjoy a good relationship with Stalin, was pushed out the power several times by the InterCom before 1940s. He broke the relationship with USSR in end of 1950 – early 1960s.

    Maybe because they did not get along was the reason why Stalin was luke warm to the idea of 100% CCP controlled Chinese mainland. But also Soviet Union was nearly bankrupt after fighting Germany after WW2. Stalin was told to cooperate with Mao by the Rockefellars after WW2. The American bankers wanted Mao Zedong to win.
    After the war, Stalin advised Mao against taking power and to collaborate with the Nationalists, because of Stalin’s Treaty of Friendship and Alliance with the Kuomintang. Because of communist solidarity, Mao followed Stalin’s advice. But when Chiang Kai-shek opposed the USSR’s annexation of Tannu Uriankhai, three months after the Japanese surrender, Stalin broke the treaty requiring Soviet withdrawal from Manchuria, gave Mao control of the region, and ordered Gen. Malinovsky to give the Japanese army’s spoils of war to the Chinese Communists. The Japanese had built up a lot of Industries in Machukao/Manchuria. The Soviets looted them and gave it to Mao’s forces.

    Besides that, Mao Zedong did not get along with Nikita Khrushchev even more. Khrushchev was anti Stalinist and pro Trotskyist and he had a bit of a rough personality. It was during Khrushchev’s period that the split actually happened. The Chinese Communist Party formally denounced Khrushchev’s de–Stalinization policies many times.

  369. denk says:
    @Malla

    USA give technology directly to secret butt buddy PR China. No need of Israel.]

    Indian cow dung !

    Trading some low end manufacturing tech for market access isnt ‘giving‘. [1]

    murikkans thought it’s a good deal but now they regret it now. In fact uncle sham is badgering all the 6lies + jp to stop business with Huawei, the biggest competitor to CISCO, all attempt by China to acquire hi tech Co in euro, USA, 6LIES are blocked by washington’s diktat.

    Now thats no way to treat a ‘buddy’
    hhhhh

    Now the talk is hi tech/military collaboration with India.

    Seems you are the new ‘host’ to big Z.

    hhhhhh

    On 1962 war,

    *Besides how could both USA and USSR support us.

    If Im not mistaken , I read it in Neville Maxwell’s
    INDIA’S CHINA WAR.
    USSR had in fact offered India aerial support, but the ever so paranoid Indians were weary about MiG piloted by Russians joing the battle, so they declined.

    I couldnt find the book now, damn,

    on sino/pak,

    *What rubbish are you spewing, USA was always on the side of Pakistan. Pakistan was India’s enemy. India was on the side of USSR. Pakistan was the *

    didnt Kissinger say,
    ‘With friend like this.…..’

    exhibit Raymond Davis

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article27441.htm

    re Africans accusation on Chinese investments,

    *Are you such a dumb fool? Umar Johnson is CIA agent?*

    You say it, not me .
    All I say is their accusation , like all accusation, are subject to verification.

    re Mckinsy’s report on Chinese investment,

    *Paid money by the CCP to write good points about China Africa investsments. Yeah rite….
    Explain that to Africans who are complaining and calling China the new colonialist.*

    They did onsite audit of 1000 Chinese firms.
    You accusing Mckinsy was paid to cook the book for CCP, thats serious, any evidence for that ?
    careful there, they have the resources to sue your pants off.

    hhhhh

    [1]
    murikka outsouce low end assembly line jobs to China but keep all the core tech at home, chips, robotics,.
    See the way they whacked ZTE,

    For example, for every Iphone sold, 99% of the profit goes back to the likes of Qualcomm, Samsung….cuz they hold the patent for core tech.

    poor chicoms slog for a pittance so that you guys could enjoy cheap iphone, consider it a gift from China, hhhhh

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  370. Malla says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    You’re too young to remember when Kashmir was the world’s Syria.

    Thanks for letting me know.

  371. sb says:
    @attilathehen

    Well I am Australian .In case you haven’t noticed this site gets a lot of non American readers as the issues raised are often universal especially for those of us from the white English speaking world

    Thailand is cheaper living for a retiree ( and pleasant living )
    And in the neighbourhood .I can sleep in my Australian bed ,travel ,then sleep in my Asian bed that night

  372. @Jeff Stryker

    You are so incredibly stupid. Again, why do you care about what goes on in the West? You left it. You have your Chinese poontang and low IQ spawn.

    Yes, males can go anywhere. But, a true Western male returns to his roots in the West. You’re the only one who doesn’t care about these things because you’re a coward. Why would I want to go to live in a third world country? Your degeneracy is beyond belief. You are projecting your insane thoughts on Western males. You left because you can’t handle Caucasians.

  373. Malla says:
    @DB Cooper

    The reason India feels her interests are being violated is because India still carries the colonial mindset of sphere of influence in her neighborhood in the British Raj mentality. Only this time India is the British Raj.

    I think this has more to do with, Chanakya’s (also called Kautalya, the ancient Indian philosopher) treatise on on statecraft called ‘Arthashashtra’ then British Raj policies. India follows ‘Arthashashtra’ policies when dealing with neighbours. The Arthashashtra suggests ways to control and conquer your neighbours.

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  374. Malla says:
    @denk

    Indian cow dung !

    Trading some low end manufacturing tech for market access isnt ‘giving‘. [1]

    murikkans thought it’s a good deal but now they regret it now. In fact uncle sham is badgering all the 6lies + jp to stop business with Huawei, the biggest competitor to CISCO, all attempt by China to acquire hi tech Co in euro, USA, 6LIES are blocked by washington’s diktat.

    Now thats no way to treat a ‘buddy’
    hhhhh

    Now the talk is hi tech/military collaboration with India.

    Holy Chinese fiery Dragon Dung!!!!

    The West helping in the build up of China as China is the new baby of the Globalists once USA is destroyed. British Empire destroyed to make the USA, the globalist’s blue eyed baby. Now USA will be destroyed to make PRC, the globalists’s cute Asian baby. In PRC, USA and USSR become one.

    poor chicoms slog for a pittance so that you guys could enjoy cheap iphone,

    Slog for pittance? I though Communism make Worker’s paradise. Is this Worker’s paradise according to Communist philosophy, slog for pittance. Is that why Chinese people support COmmunist revolution? To make cheap phones for World’s consumption. Fat American sits in front of telly while poor Communist CHinese slogs in factory for fat American and fat Indian.
    hehehehe
    Now you know why the bankers wanted Mao to win.

    For example, for every Iphone sold, 99% of the profit goes back to the likes of Qualcomm, Samsung….cuz they hold the patent for core tech.

    Of course the Communist Chinese respect patent very much.LOL. Money now not important. Money come, money go. Money like Goddess Fortuna, read to ‘O Fortuna’ poem from Carmina Burana. Knowledge important, knowledge always increase. PRC increase knowledge and get help from West to get knowledge just like once given by Soviets.

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  375. DB Cooper says:
    @Malla

    “I think this has more to do with, Chanakya’s (also called Kautalya, the ancient Indian philosopher) treatise on on statecraft called ‘Arthashashtra’ then British Raj policies. India follows ‘Arthashashtra’ policies when dealing with neighbours. The Arthashashtra suggests ways to control and conquer your neighbours.”

    Could be. I have read the name of Chanakya mentioned here and there. Is he some kind of strategist in the past? Did he advocate a foreign policy statecraft of keeping your neighbors off balance or something like that?

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  376. @attilathehen

    I left because Southeast Michigan was full of white chicks like you.

    Though on the purely physical level the Polish and Italian girls I grew up with probably some of the hottest their demands and expectations are too high. Plus, in a divorce they keep everything and you have to pay to support them while they sit in your house and hit the cougar bars. It just is not a good deal for the white guy.

    Your own coarseness and shrill expectations are a reminder of why I got the hell out of the Midwest away from white ethnic Catholic girls like you and bolted overseas.

  377. DB Cooper says:
    @lulu

    I predict Japan will do an above face strategic shift within the next three decades and relations between the US and Japan will have a 180 degree turn.

  378. Malla says:
    @Kratoklastes

    I have said before – many, many times – that the ongoing shit-show in Sub-Saharan Africa is part of the legacy of colonialism; that legacy should not be expected to play out over the course of a few decades, but it will eventually be sorted out.

    Nope not really. After colonialism ended things became worse. The difference in between per capita income in between African and European countries increased after the end of colonialism. Besides, Colonialism was actually expensive.

    This causes profit flows to continue to go offshore, and the indigenes are left with the returns to labour.

    Strangely does not happen in places like Singapore or Malaysia.

    anyone who complains is a low-IQ fuzzy-wuzzy, as is anyone who thinks that it makes sense to follow Whitey back to where all the stolen shit was sent.

    There was no stolen shit. YT lost money in colonialism. It was not worth it. The Chinese will realise this very soon.

    do not for a second think that the Chinese have forgiven and forgotten the Opium Wars: they fucking hate the British in particular,

    They should be hating the Jews (Sassons) and Indian baniyas actually. Also FDR, whose family became rich on the opium trade but FDR made the spread of Communism possible in China by inciting the Japanese to a World War with the USA. Strange that.

    And in the late-21st, early 22nd century ,don’t be surprised if the ‘estimate’ of the Sub-Saharan African IQ rises to parity with ‘us’ – in the same way that the Dutch and Irish ‘estimates’ from the mid-20th century presented both groups as almost retarded… now they’re on a par with ‘us’. Odd, that.

    The odd part is $8,643 per capita earning Chinese are outscoring (or scoring the same as in some cases) $39,735 per capita earning Brits and definitley outscoring by a big margin, $21,120 per capita earning Saudis.

  379. Malla says:
    @DB Cooper

    Is he some kind of strategist in the past?

    Yup. Something of the kind. He was a brahmin who lived in ancient India who helped the Emperor Chandragupta Maurya in his rise to power, the one who created the Maurya Empire and he was the Emperor’s chief advisor and helped in the expansion of the Empire. He is kind of an Indian Machiavelli.

    Did he advocate a foreign policy statecraft of keeping your neighbors off balance or something like that?

    Constant expansion through deception and war was his motto. And he was good at spying himself in person. He would have felt at home in Mossad HQ.

  380. @attilathehen

    TO THE FEMALE POSTERS

    I understand your point of view, in fact. Obviously you want your family to grow in a decent neighborhood and for your children to attend decent schools.

    But it is getting harder and harder to stay in the middle class and many white men like me just cannot be bothered to try.

    Its too much effort.

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  381. @Malla

    “Hate the Baniyas”

    Jews and the Southeast Asian market-dominant-minority should study Parsis for their skill at refusing to integrate into their host population (A Parsis will ALWAYS tell a white man that he is Iranian even though he has lived in India for 1000 years) and being prejudiced towards the people (Though Parsis are legally forced to marry Indians now because they are so inbred) and quietly grabbing the biggest piece of the pie like Tata.

    Oh, and a good many are degenerates like Freddie Mercury. Gays mostly. Flamboyant homosexuality seems to run through the Parsis male population.

    But they’ve stayed under the radar.

    They were never pogromed like the Jews in Europe or the Chinese in Southeast Asia.

  382. Malla says:
    @denk

    somebody [not ccp] has actually done a massive onsite survey and concludes that Chinese investments in Africa mostly live up to its reputation….bringing jobs to Africa and tranfering technology to the locals.
    A win/win proposition.

    That may be true, it may really be “win win”. But that is not important. Public perception is important. Colonialism brought many good things, bring technology, better health, improve standard of living, rule of law etc… But people perceived it bad (or were incited by paid rabble rousers to perceive as bad) many times out of jealousy. Perception more important.

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  383. Malla says:
    @lulu

    And Sikkim should be independent.

  384. Malla says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    It was Indonesians who first reached that island.

    This is quite a fascinating part of human history. The Indonesians were great mariners. Even we Indians did not discover Madagascar, we are nearer than the Indonesians.

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  385. Anonymous[174] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    There was no need for the British to be in India to develop the country. The independent Indians could have just as well bought machines from England, and sent students to learn engineering and medicine in England, without having a single Englishman in their country.

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  386. Malla says:
    @Anonymous

    There was no need for the British to be in India to develop the country. The independent Indians could have just as well bought machines from England, and sent students to learn engineering and medicine in England, without having a single Englishman in their country.

    Firstly there was no independent Indians. There were independent Marathas, Sikhs, Bengalis etc… Some of them were fighting for independence of each other’s rule. Maratha were fighting a war of independence from Mughal Rule. Some Mulsims did not like Sikh rule, they wanted independence. So what independent India?
    BTW 30% of India during British Raj were Princely States. They were more or less independent. They had their own railways, their own currency, their own postage stamps. They did not turn into paragons of development. The major cities were in British ruled parts of India. Bombay, Madras, Calcutta etc.. and Indians were flocking to live in these cities.
    Independent China had like 20% of the railways compared to what ‘not so independent’ India had. Independent Afghanistan has no railways at all.
    Without British rule, the coastal kingdoms would have developed the most and the interior kingdoms would have remained backwards. Eventually the coastal kingdoms would have built modern armies and gone on a conquering spree into the interior.
    India was not Japan with Meiji Restoration. It was a very different society.

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  387. @Malla

    you discovered the Seychelles and Maldives. The Africans didn’t. This is because they thought “MUH DICK”…

  388. @Malla

    Well done with a level head a nd no BS. As I say to my Indian friends, after noting that my first Australian ancestor was an Irish Catholic convict who claimed to be a rebel against English rule long before Indians got round to it, we are lucky to have been oppressed by the best empire we were likely to be invaded by. Luck of course all round for the most part. See John of Gaunt’s dying (Shakespearean) speech and note the advantage to liberty and prosperity (hence a tincture of magnanimity) of being protected by the sea. Nearly all the Anglophone countries have had that advantage – including no standing conscript armies….

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  389. denk says:
    @Malla

    Glad your agree that….
    No giving, just horse trading.

    hhhhh

  390. @Jeff Stryker

    TO THE FEMALE POSTERS:

    It is not many white, middle-class men who are like Stryker. It is just Stryker. Use him as a poster cuck for what your children should not become.

  391. buckwheat says:

    Just look at the United States, if the slaves had been returned to Africa in 1865 imagine how it would look today. Crime, welfare, and the fuxication of the all the major cities would hardly be the same. Help the immigrants but if you don’t want to end up like America send them back, the sooner the better.

  392. I see. I assume you live in an Australian community. I guess that’s fine.

    I forgot about other English-speaking countries. I read articles about some bad things that are going on in Australia regarding immigration, but I also read that there is some censorship, so I don’t know what gets through.

    It’s nice to know that our comments are getting read in many parts of the world. This will translate into more robust political actions.

  393. Malla says:
    @lulu

    No I did not. Thanks for bringing it to my notice. I have always been saying that some dark elements of Puranic Hinduism has made its way into Lama Buddhism as Tibet is so close to India.

  394. Malla says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Very true. The British Empire had its dark side. But it had a lot more good and has changed the World for the better in many ways.

    • Replies: @Malla
  395. Malla says:
    @Malla

    Bruce Gilley, a Political Science PhD and Associate Professor at Portland State University has recently published a paper named ‘The case for colonialism ‘ in the THIRD WORLD QUARTERLY. Obviously the libtards and SJWs want ape and started bleating and gyrating and asked the article be widrawn.

    The SJW mob forces Bruce Gilley to ask for his paper to be withdrawn

    BTW you can get the article here

    https://archive.org/details/Gilley

    I agree him except that he did talk about bringing European colonialism back for the betterment of the Third World as it would mean Good governance. I say: Are you freaking kidding me!!!! Nothing can save the Third World, the brown black world only means trouble. Europeans need to build walls and isolate themselves from the Brown Black World as much as possible.

    As far as the French Empire, French colonisation cost more than it yielded 2 years out of 3. 2,1 % of french GDP was spent on an average in French colonies each year during about a century…
    That is 3 times more than the OECD recommendation established in 1969 for ODA (0,7% of GDP).
    That is overall the equivalent of 7 European Recovery Program (“Marshall Plan” as they say in France) that was GIVEN, not lended, to the colonies by France.
    This is a proven fact by French historians(cf Jacques Marseille and Daniel Lefeuvre works).
    And what about soldiers of French colonies during WW1 and WW2 ?
    Historian Marc Michel showed that soldiers of French colonies during WW1 and WW2 didn’t suffer more % losses than French soldiers. They rather suffered a little less losses.

    There is also Prof Milton Friedman on Slavery and Colonization

    “A student poses a question to Milton Friedman in which he asks for an appraisal of just how exactly the riches that now exist in the so called “capitalist democracies” were obtained and how those countries became so rich so quick. Specifically he asks Friedman to account for the effect that having free labor derived from slavery allowed them to enrich themselves, and how the possession of colonies allowed rich countries to bleed wealth out of their colonial domains.

    Friedman responds by claiming it’s simply untrue that the wealth that arose in Western countries was due to slavery. Slavery was a disgrace and a blot on the United States’ record, but many rich Western nations did not have slavery. Britain and Japan did not have slaves when they developed and Hong Kong does not have slaves today.

    He goes onto claim that the facts are against the notion that the wealth was created due to the West exploiting its colonies. The reason people are quick to think so is that they have an ingrained predisposition to see view the world as a zero-sum game where if one man gains the other man looses. In reality a free market allows everyone to gain through mutually beneficial voluntary transactions. When the West colonized Africa they brought with them technology that greatly improved the condition of the people that lived there and actually made them better off. The wheel for example had not even been invented in Africa in the 19th century. As a result of Africa’s contacts with the West their condition improved greatly from what it previously was.

    To the charge that colonizers bleed wealth from their colonies, Friedman notes that it has always cost the mother country more to maintain its colonies then what was ever received in direct or indirect economic benefit. In the famous case of India, conclusive studies have shown that it cost Britain far more to maintain India then if it had never had it. Furthermore, many Western nations never possessed colonies yet became wealthy despite that fact.”

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  396. Malla says:
    @Malla

    Some snippets from the article by Bruce Gilley

    Perhaps the most egregious violation of epistemic virtues is internal coherence (or non-contradiction). Eminent scholars repeatedly make the logically contradictory claim that colonialism was both too disruptive and not disruptive enough, whether with regard to boundaries, governing institutions, economic systems or social structures, as evidenced in the short space of just two pages by Young. Africanists in particular applaud the work both of Herbst, who argued that colonialism did too little tate-making, and Young, who earlier argued that it did too much. New territorial boundaries are criticised for forcing social integration while old ones are criticised for reinforcing tribalism, a contradiction noted by Lefebvre. Marxist scholars found colonialism at fault when it did not invest in public health
    and infrastructure (showing a callous disregard for labour) and when it did (in order to exploit it). Colonialism is credited with near-magical powers to sweep away everything good in its path (like tribal chiefs or ethnic identity) and with equally magical powers to make permanent everything bad in its path (like tribal chiefs or ethnic identity).

    Finally, there is the simple epistemic virtue of falsification. This is most pointed in the treatment of what was undoubtedly a benefit of colonialism: the abolition of slave-trading. Anti-colonial critics squirm and fidget over this issue because it puts the greatest strain on their ‘colonialism bad’ perspective. The result is a constant stream of revisionism: it did not happen fast enough; there were mixed motives; not all colonial officials supported it; former slaves remained poor and former slave owners remained rich; it should never have existed in the first place.

    Of course, not all research falls afoul of the basic prescriptions above. Research that is careful in conceptualising and measuring controls, that establishes a feasible counterfactual, that includes multiple dimensions of costs and benefits weighted in some justified way, and that adheres to basic epistemic virtues often finds that at least some if not many or most episodes of Western colonialism were a net benefit, as the literature review by Juan and Pierskalla shows. Such works have found evidence for significant social, economic and political gains under colonialism: expanded education, improved public health, the abolition of slavery, widened employment opportunities, improved administration, the creation of basic infrastructure, female rights, enfranchisement of untouchable or historically excluded communities, fair taxation, access to capital, the generation of historical and cultural knowledge, and national identify formation, to mention just a few dimensions.

    This leads to the second failure of anti-colonial critique. Given that objective costs and benefits varied with time and place, another approach is simply to defer to the judgements of those affected. The subjective legitimacy approach asks whether the people subject to colonialism treated it, through their beliefs and actions, as rightful. As Hechter showed, alien rule has often been legitimate in world history because it has provided better governance than the indigenous alternative.

    Anti-colonial critics simply assert that colonialism was, in Hopkins’s words, ‘a foreign imposition lacking popular legitimacy’. Yet until very late, European colonialism appears to have been highly legitimate and for good reasons. Millions of people moved closer to areas of more intensive colonial rule, sent their children to colonial schools and hospitals, went beyond the call of duty in positions in colonial governments, reported crimes to colonial police, migrated from non-colonised to colonised areas, fought for colonial armies and participated in colonial political processes – all relatively voluntary acts. Indeed, the rapid spread and persistence of Western colonialism with very little force relative to the populations and areas concerned is prima facie evidence of its acceptance by subject populations compared to the feasible alternatives. The ‘preservers’, ‘facilitators’and ‘collaborators’ of colonialism, as Abernethy shows, far outnumbered the’resisters’at least until very late:‘lmperial expansion was frequently the result not just of European push but also of indigenous pull’. In Borneo,
    the Sultan of Brunei installed an English traveler, James Brooke, as the rajah of his chaotic province of Sarawak in 1841 , after which order and prosperity expanded to such an extent that even once a British protectorate was established in 1888, the Sultan preferred to leave it under Brooke family control until 1946.

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  397. Malla says:
    @Malla

    More from the article by Bruce Gilley

    Sir Alan Burns, the governor of the Gold Coast during World War II, noted that had the people of the Gold Coast wished to push us into the sea there was little to prevent them. But this was the time when the people came forward in their thousands, not with empty protestations of loyalty but with men to serve in the army … and with liberal gifts to war funds and war charities. This was curious conduct for people tired of British rule .

    In most colonial areas, subject peoples either faced grave security threats from rival groups or they saw the benefits of being governed by a modernised and liberal state. Patrice Lumumba, who became an anti-colonial agitator only very late, praised Belgian colonial rule in his autobiography of 1 962 for’restoring our human dignity and turning us into free, happy, vigorous, and civilized men’. Chinua Achebe’s many pro-colonial statements, meanwhile, have been virtually airbrushed from memory by anti-colonial ideology. The few scholars who take note of such evidence typically dismiss it as a form of false consciousness.

    The failure of anti-colonial critique to come to terms with the objective benefits and subjective legitimacy of colonialism points to a third and deeper failure: it was never intended to be ‘true’ in the sense of being a scientific claim justified through shared standards of inquiry that was liable to falsification. The origins of anti-colonial thought were political and ideological. The purpose was not historical accuracy but contemporaneous advocacy. Today, activists associate ‘decolonisation’ (or ‘postcolonialism’) with all manner of radical social transformation, which unintentionally ties historic conclusions to present-day endeavours. Unmoored from historical fact, postcolonialism became what Williams called a metropolitan flaneur culture of attitude and performance whose recent achievements include an inquiry into the glories of sado-masochism among Third World women and a burgeoning literature on the horrors of colonialism under countries that never had colonies.

    This third failure of anti-colonial critique is perhaps most damaging. It is not just an obstacle to historical truth, which itself is a grave disservice. Even as a means of contemporary advocacy, it is self-wounding.

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  398. Malla says:
    @Malla

    More from Bruce Gilley

    The costs of anti-colonialism

    It is hard to overstate the pernicious effects of global anti-colonialism on domestic and international affairs since the end of World War II. Anti-colonialism ravaged countries as nationalist elites mobilised illiterate populations with appeals to destroy the market economies, pluralistic and constitutional polities, and rational policy processes of European colonisers. In our ‘age of apology’ for atrocities, one of the many conspicuous silences has been an apology for the many atrocities visited upon Third World peoples by anti-colonial advocates.

    Few cases better illustrate this than Guinea-Bissau and its anti-colonial ‘hero’ Amilcar Cabral. In launching a guerrilla war against Portuguese rule in 1963 Cabral insisted that it was ‘necessary to totally destroy, to break, to reduce to ash all aspects of the colonial state in our country in order to make everything possible for our people’. He took aim at a successful colonial state that had quadrupled rice production and initiated sustained gains in life expectancy since bringing the territory under control in 1936. Cabral, in his own words, was ‘never able to mobilize the people on the basis of the struggle against colonialism’. Instead, he secured training and arms from Cuba, Russia and Czechoslovakia and economic assistance from Sweden. The resulting war killed 1 5,000 combatants (out of a population of 600,000) and at least as many civilians, and displaced another 1 50,000 (a quarter of the population).

    Once’liberation’was achieved in 1974, a second human tragedy unfolded, costing at least 1 0,000 further lives as a direct result of conflict. By 1980, rice production had fallen by more than 50% to 80,000 tonnes (from a peak of 1 82,000 tonnes under the Portuguese). Politics became a cantankerous din of former revolutionaries’ in the words of Forrest. Cabral’s half- brother, who became president, unleashed the secret police on the tiny opposition – 500 bodies were found in three mass graves for dissidents in 1 981 , A tenth of the remaining population upped stakes for Senegal. 38 The Cabralian one-party state expanded to 1 5,000 employees, 1 0 times as big as the Portuguese administration at its peak. Confused Marxist scholars blamed the legacies of colonialism or the weather or Israel.

    Things have gotten worse. Guinea-Bissau has a more or less permanent United Nations (UN) peacekeeping force and continues to suck up millions in aid as the ‘continuadores de Cabral’ squabble under what the World Bank calls ‘continuing political disarray’. Today, in per-capita terms, rice production is still only one-third of what it was under the Portuguese despite 40 years of international aid and technological advances.The health transition, meanwhile, slowed considerably after independence. By 2015, the average Guinea-Bissauan was living to just 55, meaning gains of just 0.3 years of extra life per year since independence, less than half of the 0.73 extra years of life per year being gained in the late colonial period. What might have become a prosperous and humane Macau or Goa of Africa is today a cesspool of human suffering. Western and African anti-colonial scholars continue to extol Cabral’s ‘national liberation’ ideas. But actually existing Guineans may be asking: When are the Portuguese coming back?

    Guinea-Bissau seems like an extreme case. It is not. Of the 80 countries that threw off the colonial ‘yoke’ after World War II, at least half experienced similar trauma, while most of the rest limped on. For 60 years, Third World despots have raised the spectre of recolonisation to discredit democratic oppositions and ruin their economies. Yet there is virtually nothing written about most of these postcolonial traumas since, as Igreja notes, it still assumed that anti-colonial movements were victims rather than victimisers. Scholars in full Eurocentric mode prefer to churn out books on colonial atrocities or to suggest that ‘colonial legacies’ have something to do with the follies and body blows inflicted on these countries by their anti-colonial leaders.

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  399. Anonymous[174] • Disclaimer says:

    A lot of imperialism was a form of speculation. Land was taken, not because it was valuable, but because it might become valuable in future.

    There was also a ‘dog in the manger’ attitude driven by inter-European rivalry. The British may have had no use for territory X, but they still didn’t want the French to have it (and vice-versa.)

  400. Malla says:

    There was also a ‘dog in the manger’ attitude driven by inter-European rivalry. The British may have had no use for territory X, but they still didn’t want the French to have it (and vice-versa.)

    Exactly!!!Inter European rivalry (and later, rivalry with Japan) might have been a big driver of colonial Empires. They all got sucked into an imperial race for prestige, fear of the other power becoming more powerful etc….

  401. Talha says:
    @Malla

    Technically, almost anyone in that position can make they claim for themselves; Neocons can also say they got rid of Saddam and replaced Sunni autocratic rule with a more democratic rule by the Shiah majority – and they would actually be correct.

    The question is; do the people on the receiving end buy the narrative since it’s they who will write the history books for their people.

    Peace.

  402. Malla says:

    Technically, almost anyone in that position can make they claim for themselves; Neocons can also say they got rid of Saddam and replaced Sunni autocratic rule with a more democratic rule by the Shiah majority – and they would actually be correct.

    Technically yes but the quality of life of Iraqis have become much much worse than it was under Saddam. Libya has been a total disaster. I believe they meant it to go bad. It is part of their wider Middle East Policy.

    do the people on the receiving end buy the narrative since it’s they who will write the history books for their people.

    Point is every revolution tries to show the pre revolution condition as much much worse than it really was to justify the revolution and to mythologize the revolution. This has been the case with the French ‘revolution’, the English ‘revolution’ of Cromwell, the Communist ‘revolutions’ etc.. So they will try to cover this fact. For example most Indians are taught that it were the British who are responsible for the division of India, which is a blatant lie as I have shown. They would not tell that the Muslim League was not satisfied by the Indian National Congress and a rise in Hindu fundamentalism scared the Muslim elites. Most people will not do research on history and agree with what has been taught.

    BTW I had seen a video by Orya Maqbool Jan, a knowledgeable Pakistani (I cannot find the particular video, will post it when I find it). He was talking about the exploitation of countries by the IMF etc.. He was discussing the loan debts Pakistan was taking to build a Metro system. He blatantly told in the program how the during the British Raj even though taxes were so low, the Brits were able to build huge railway systems and Universities. Basically the American led (read Wall Street banker pigs led) post WW2 Global economic system is even worse than the Colonial period.
    And I had also posted a link which explained that after the Great Depression, where Wall Street using the federal reserve gobbled up independent American businesses, most other powers were alarmed. The British Empire put restrictions on trade in between the USA and the British Empire to protect the Empire from future such Wall Street excesses. Added to this there was the reaction from Germany, which had suffered a lot due this Wall Street action during the depression and this led to the rise of Adolf Hitler as a reaction. So Wall Street moved in to destroy the Axis forces first but according to them the colonial Empires was a bigger threat to their global expansion than the Soviet Union!!! So once the Axis forces were destroyed, they moved in to destroy the various colonial Empires. Douglas Reed in his books of Africa wrote about how many of the anti colonial forces had the support of Wall Street and the communists both at once. There were banking elites in those colonial Empires too but the post colonial system is even worse.
    BTW James Perloff (who is Jewish himself BTW) has shown that from the earliest days of the USA till the creation of the Federal reserve, there was very little inflation except during wars like the Civil wars. For centuries there was very little inflation. But after the Federal Reserve was formed there has been massive inflation. Inflation basically means theft of labour. Once we go from this B.S. paper money system to electronic money system, things will become even worse. No need to even print, just create electronically. That is why cash less systems are been promoted throughout the world.

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  403. Talha says:
    @Malla

    Point is every revolution tries to show the pre revolution condition as much much worse than it really was to justify the revolution and to mythologize the revolution.

    Totally agree here. I like more factual history. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not one of those guys who says there were no benefits to British Raj rule. There must have been since many smaller kingdoms obviously signed on to their divide and rule policy.

    I take a more historical and contextual approach to it. In the age before post-WW2 international protocols it was all fair in the game of empires. If you could, you expanded – that’s just how everyone rolled – if you were weak, you got rolled over. At that point, it was basically only about how you treated the locals. The British were far better a colonizer to deal with than the Spanish. Sure they had some exploitative policies, but they introduced some good things too – so one can’t discount that.

    a rise in Hindu fundamentalism scared the Muslim elites

    Aw hell yeah – I mean Gandhi himself was assassinated by one – so that should clue people in. I’m still divided on whether or not partition was a good thing – I think the jury is still out on that one.

    By the way, don’t know if you have heard this song about the time of partition, but it brings me fond memories (even though it is tragic) since my father used to play this when I was younger:

    He was talking about the exploitation of countries by the IMF

    Big time – and the loans are usually dug into by these corrupt elites, but the nation ends up on the hook to pay them back.

    Peace.

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  404. @Malla

    After colonialism ended things became worse. The difference in between per capita income in between African and European countries increased after the end of colonialism.

    Nobody is disputing this, so it’s not clear why you would mention it. It is entirely, 100% consistent with what happens when the profit stream from resource-exploitation goes offshore (i.e., to Paris or London): taking the ‘surplus’ value outside the national borders (in ways that do not count as ‘exports’) reduces the rate of capital accumulation, which reduces the capital-labour ratio. It also reduces the rate at which the new indigenous government can alter the sectoral distribution of capital stocks.

    Quite apart from that, though, is that post-colonial periods are generally characterised by internal tensions as the political aspirants line up to hold office – and during this time, the former colonists (again, generally) play “Great Power” games to attempt to ensure that the ‘right sort of chappies’ end up in charge.

    [Me]This causes profit flows to continue to go offshore, and the indigenes are left with the returns to labour.

    Strangely does not happen in places like Singapore or Malaysia.

    Singapore and Malaysia had very different colonial (and post-colonial) trajectories. During the colonial period, Malaysia was exploited for its rubber and tin (the largest producer of tin in the world in the 19th century), while Singapore’s main value was as a ‘free port’ (a trading hub, similar to Hong Kong). The Poms tried to annul Singapore’s free-port status in the 1800s, but failed; one problem with a free port is that you can’t monetise it monopolistically.

    So let’s concentrate on the Malay peninsula, and check if the thesis (i.e., long-tailed interference in resource-extraction) holds. Bear in mind this is despite the fact that when Britain took colonial possession, most ‘extractive’ industry was small scale (Chinese hand-mining tin in the hinterland) – and what’s more the Poms were tip-toeing around the Dutch, with a lot of near-overlap in territorial control after the Anglo-Dutch Treaty of 1824.

    As I mentioned, the two big extraction-worthy resources were tin and rubber. Let’s examine each in turn…

    Tin
    The Straits Trading Company secured an almost-perpetual lease on a smelter location near a deep-water port (the ‘Bon Accord‘ property on Palau Brauni); their smelting operation also had a near-monopoly on tin smelting that persisted until it became unprofitable (the price of tin dropped precipitously during the Depression: from $145 per pikul in 1927, to $60 in 1931; that’s roughly $2400 a tonne to $990 a tonne in 4 years).

    A large amount of STC’s infrastructure was destroyed during the Japanese invasion and occupation of Malaya in WWII; STC spent most of the 1940s and 1950s trying to get compensation from the UK government for losses incurred during the war.

    So summarise: the reason STC (and other similar firms in the tin industry) didn’t get to exploit long-tailed contracts, is because by that time their holdings in Malaya were losing value.

    Besides, by then STC was making most of its money outside Malaya: it’s hard to get numbers for the period, but there’s every chance that its Malayan operations were of marginal profitability – those operations had slashed managerial headcount and average managerial salary… which is not what you do if you have a profitable business in a colony.

    Rubber

    The big problem for rubber producers was that the 10 years after WWII (the ‘pre-decolonisation’ period) coincided with the rise of artificial rubber. Also, rubber production at the time was inherently labour-intensive and not very profitable.

    Besides, Colonialism was actually expensive.
    [and]
    There was no stolen shit. YT lost money in colonialism. It was not worth it. The Chinese will realise this very soon.

    I think you misunderstand why colonialism happens. It does not aim to enrich the invader country: it aims to enrich a politically-connected clique within the invader country. It underwrites that ‘selective’ enrichment using public resources.

    Invasion (and colonialism) is always a net losing proposition for the invader society as a whole: it always has been, and a moment’s reflection makes that obvious. Conquest is always more costly than trade (not least because conquest then requires continued security).

    It would be more efficient if the political class simply transferred tax money directly from the demos to the favoured clique – but doing that at the levels required would not be politically feasible for very long. (It still happens: all the Death Merchants who suckle at the teat of the MIC are a good example. The F35 is a case study of tax transfers under the pretence of bulding something useful).

    So once the politicians and their cronies have finished stealing everything that’s not nailed down in their own country, there are “Grand Schemes” for “National Greatness”… and the board and shareholders of a group of favoured companies (e.g., the East India Company; KBR, Halliburton, Blackwater) line their pockets and the tax base picks up most of the actual operational tab (both for the initial land seizure, and for ongoing security).

    Imperialism has been a racket (as has war more generally) for millennia. Only the preternaturally gullible believe that the political class mistakenly thinks that imperialism/colonialism is attempting to benefit the entire invader society.

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  405. @Talha

    India as a country didn’t exist before the Raj so it would be difficult to really frame comparison.

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  406. Talha says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    No country as we know them today existed way back in the day. You can basically only compare the previous large Indian empires (Mughal, Maratha, etc.) – or even the local kingdoms – to the British enterprise. All you can get are approximations.

    Peace.

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  407. Talha says:
    @Kratoklastes

    It does not aim to enrich the invader country: it aims to enrich a politically-connected clique within the invader country.

    Excellent point (as well as your other points)…and I generally agree with this axiom (especially if you look at empires that are city-based). However, I would like to add that this likely does not hold true when taking into account those large-scale invasions where a population literally moves in; various Germanic tribes taking over the Roman Empire or Mongols taking over Persia and China as examples (it’s the Ibn Khaldun cycle). I don’t think this holds true outside of nomadic people though.

    Peace.

  408. @Talha

    India was a British creation as a political state.

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  409. @KenH

    Our territories do not have U.S. Senators, non-voting or otherwise. Thank God.

    Cut PR loose, and swamp the Chamorro simpletons in Guam with mainland settlers.

  410. @Jeff Stryker

    No, the Latinos will stupidly keep voting democrat to get free stuff at the expense of taxpayers (disproportionately white and Asian Americans), and the Dems will bring in more Muslims. Latinos might complain, but they won’t vote any differently.

  411. @Deschutes

    Mr. Derbyshire is quite intelligent and has had a succcessful career as a mathematician and a writer, hardly a loser in economic, professional, or social terms. We can’t act like leftists and invent facts because it feels good to cast aspersions on him after we disagree with something he has written.

    As for derb’s assessment of the damage that African-“Americans” do to the rest of us every day, and the constant threat they pose — not just to whites — he is utterly right and accurate.

    Now, his wife and offspring apparently voting for shrillery, that’s a disappointment.

  412. @Anonymous

    That DOES seem like a rather troubling comment in the book of John.

  413. @Michael Kenny

    Michael, if you actually speak to normal white Americans, especially those who either weren’t brainwashed in college or are well beyond their college years, you’ll find enormous anger and sadness at the African/Arab/Muslim immivasion of Europe. We are proud of our european genes and heritage and want the best for our cousins back in the old countries.

    Yet another reason why our federal government needs to be legally cleaned out, root and branch, along with your euro governments.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  414. Talha says:

    The pozzing of India in real-time continues:
    “India’s top court has ruled that adultery is no longer a crime, declaring the colonial-era law that punished the offence unconstitutional and discriminatory. The court ruled unanimously on Thursday that Section 497, a 158-year-old law, ‘perpetuates the subordinate status of women, denies dignity and sexual autonomy, and is based on gender stereotypes’….Despite a string of recent liberal-progressive rulings from India’s Supreme Court, including the decriminalisation of gay sex, India’s conservative and patriarchal attitudes are deeply entrenched.”

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/09/india-supreme-court-rules-adultery-crime-anymore-180927081617969.html

    Peace.

  415. @Jeff Stryker

    Even on a blog where we get nasty and sarcastic sometimes, there is no call for talking about a man and his wife like that.

  416. @Michael Kenny

    True, but the UK has NO overseas possession with meaningful population.

    All fourteen British overseas possessions have a combined population less than a quarter million.

    Four of them are essentially uninhabited except by temporarily stationed military and scientific personnel and their families.

  417. @Jeff Stryker

    My experience in the Northeast, where I’m from, must be different from yours. Lots of good people there, but certainly not getting better and not like it was.

    I’ve lived in the Midwest, several locations, and I’ll take people in most of the Midwest, certainly Upper Midwest / Great Lakes region, anyday.

  418. @Alfa158

    Terrible, but better than US dying or being subjugated by their endless and growing waves of people fleeing their miserable continent.

  419. @Jeff Stryker

    Were the Muslims wrong about the gypsies? Something doesn’t become wrong merely because Muslims think it, and I’m CERTAINLY no fan of Islam.

  420. @AaronB

    Horizontal spirituality seems to make more sense when one of our children hugs me or looks at me with those pure eyes and says “I love you, Daddy.” That’s my heaven right there, and i can’t imagine what I could strive for that’s better — except to be with them, love them, be loved by them, forever.

  421. Corvinus says:
    @RadicalCenter

    “Michael, if you actually speak to normal white Americans, especially those who either weren’t brainwashed in college or are well beyond their college years…”

    You have a warped view about what constitutes “normal white Americans”. They need not be brainwashed, nor allegedly anti-white, or lacking pride in their “European genes”.

    “Yet another reason why our federal government needs to be legally cleaned out, root and branch, along with your euro governments.”

    So, Daddy Warbucks, set up a fund and engage in direct action rather than talk about it.

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  422. @Corvinus

    I’ve spent PLENTY of money, time, and effort trying to effect change, Vaginus.

    And I’ve never claimed to be rich, at all.

    I know it’s hard for you to understand, like so many things, but one can both do and talk about what needs to be done. Genius.

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  423. Corvinus says:
    @RadicalCenter

    “I know it’s hard for you to understand, like so many things, but one can both do and talk about what needs to be done. Genius.”

    I understand a number of things, like how you are trying to pigeon-hole what constitutes a “normal white American”. By your metrics, that would mean race is a social construct.

  424. Escher says:
    @DB Cooper

    Should have known one of the first comments will be from the PRCs Hasbala department 666.

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