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There’s something to report almost daily now in the war between Muslims and infidels being played out on the streets of Western cities. It’s getting to be so that any news outlet needs to just include a regular slot for these events, like the weather report. If things get any worse, some entrepreneur might start an entire cable TV channel—you know, like the Weather Channel. He could call it the Terror Channel.

Well, here’s this week’s Terror Report.

I logged four incidents this week: Two on Monday, one on Tuesday, one on Wednesday.

There was terrorism elsewhere, too, of course. Muslim fanatics attacked a tourist resort in Mali last Sunday, killing four or five people, it’s not clear [Mali: Death Toll Rises in Mali Attack, AllAfrica.com, June 19, 2017] But hey, Mali. If you care about Mali, go read about it. I care about the civilized world.

London, Monday, shortly after midnight local time. Darren Osborne, no known religious affiliation, a middle-aged Welshman, drove a van into a crowd of Muslims outside a mosque in north London. One Muslim died in the attack and nine were hospitalized. Witnesses quoted Osborne on the scene saying he wanted to “kill all Muslims.” [London terror attack near mosque: New info on suspect, CBS, June 20, 2017]

Paris, Monday afternoon. A few hours after the London attack, on Monday afternoon, Adam Djaziri, Muslim, of Tunisian origin, deliberately crashed his car into the lead car of a police convoy on the Champs Elysées boulevard. The car was full of guns and explosives. It did in fact explode after the impact, killing Mr. Djaziri but no-one else. [Prosecutor: Champs-Elysees attacker pledged allegiance to IS, By Elaine Ganley, Associated Press,June 22, 2017]

Brussels, Tuesday evening. Oussama Zariouh, Muslim, a Moroccan national resident in Belgium, tried to blow himself and many other people up at the main railroad station. The attempt failed; his bomb only caught fire. Distraught at his failure, Zariouh ran back and forth on the station platform until he encountered a soldier. He shouted “Allahu akbar!” at the soldier, who thereupon shot him dead. Zariouh’s bomb did later explode, but no-one was hurt. [Brussels explosion: Prosecutors say major terror attack at station averted after bomb packed with nails fails, by Lizzie Dearden, Independent, June 21, 2017.]

Flint, Michigan, Wednesday morning. Amor Ftouhi, Muslim, a Canadian citizen born in Tunisia, stabbed a member of the Flint airport police force while shouting “Allahu akbar!” Ftouhi gave his motive as hatred of the U.S.A. He is in custody; the cop is recovering in hospital.

That’s the butcher’s bill for this week. I don’t have anything new to say about the attacks themselves, nor about the weather. The reactions to the attacks have been interesting, though.

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That first attack, the one in London where a non-Muslim drove his van into a crowd of Muslims, drew some crowing from out here on the Alt Right. “It’s started!” people were saying. Occidental Dissent ran the story under the headline When the Saxon Began to Hate. [By Marcus Cicero, June 19, 2017]

That’s a misquote from Kipling, who in reference to World War I wrote a poem with the refrain, “When the English began to hate.”

Kipling did not write, “When the Saxons began to hate.” It would have been odd if he did, since Saxons are Germans, natives of Saxony. In World War I, Saxons were the enemy, along of course with Bavarians, Swabians, Prussians, Silesians, and other Germans.

And while I’m picking nits, I note that the guy who drove the van was Welsh. A Welshman will not thank you for calling him English, and he’ll be plain baffled if you call him a Saxon.

All that aside, this talk about the Cold Civil War turning hot is unconvincing. Real civil wars turn on sectionalism—big geographical territories at loggerheads with each other. That’s not the case, either in Britain or the U.S.A. Sure, we have red states and blue states; but the red states are 52 percent red and the blue states are 53 percent blue. We don’t have sections.

If you cut down to the county level you can get sectionalism: Professor Michael Hart has written a book about that. Much as I admire Prof Hart and his work, I think this is a stretch. [VDARE.com Editor Peter Brimelow does not agree].

Looking at the toll from our last Civil War, I hope to God we don’t have another one. For sure we don’t need one. What we need is sane immigration policies, that’s all.

Comment from the CultMarx multiculturalists in the Main Stream Media gravitated towards moral equivalence on the London van attack. Sample from the New York Times, June 20th:

Brendan Cox, whose wife, Jo Cox, a member of Parliament, was shot and killed [last year] by a right-wing extremist, urged the country to fight hateful ideology against Muslims, just as much as it was fighting Islamist militancy.

“When islamist terrorists attack we rightly seek out hate preachers who spur them on,” Mr. Cox wrote on Twitter. “We must do the same to those who peddle Islamophobia” …

Said Shiraz Kothia of the London Muslim Community Forum, “We’ve got the right-wing extremists and we’ve got the Muslim extremists.”

An Attack on Muslims Shakes Cosmopolitan London, By Katrin Bennhold, June 19, 2017

For the full moral-equivalence shtick, I recommend the opinion column published at MailOnline June 19th. The writer is Piers Morgan, who is some kind of Bigfoot mainstream opinion journalist over there. The headline of the piece says it all, quote: Finsbury Park [that’s where the mosque was] is just what ISIS wants. It’s what the Far Right Islamophobes want. And it’s up to the rest of us to fight the hate and lies from both.

The problem with this moral equivalence is that the morals aren’t equivalent.

Suppose, for example, that this violence between Muslims and natives got so bad, life in Britain became intolerable for Muslims. What could they do?

Why, they could go back to the Muslim countries that they or their parents came from. I seriously doub t the Brits would try to stop them.

Now suppose that things got so bad, life in Britain became intolerable for the natives. What could they do? Where could they go?

There isn’t any English-speaking country not afflicted with mass Third World immigration. There are hardly any white countries, though there are a few—Poland is trying hard to remain Polish.

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Moral equivalence is a crock. On the one side, here you have people whose ancestors have lived for centuries in the same country, who resent foreigners coming in by the hundreds of thousands, taking over their towns and demanding that the natives accommodate their customs and religion. On the other side, you have those foreigners.

The two things are not equivalent. With no respect at all to Piers Morgan, the problem here is not some generalized “hate,” equally immoral among both people who are having their country taken away and the people who are taking it. The problem is insane levels of mass Muslim settlement.

Britain never needed Muslims and it was criminally foolish of the Brits to allow Muslim settlement in such numbers.

As we say out here on the Alt Right: That’s what separate countries are for.

John Derbyshire [email him] writes an incredible amount on all sorts of subjects for all kinds of outlets. (This no longer includes National Review, whose editors had some kind of tantrum and fired him. ) He is the author of We Are Doomed: Reclaiming Conservative Pessimism and several other books. He’s had two books published by VDARE.com: FROM THE DISSIDENT RIGHT (also available in Kindle) and From the Dissident Right II: Essays 2013. His writings are archived at JohnDerbyshire.com.

(Republished from VDare.com by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Animosity is often expressed after Islamic terrorist attacks, but the general public has been silent after the Welshman Darren Osborne drove his van onto the sidewalk/pavement outside Finsbury Mosque.

    I shall remedy this by reciting a nursery rhyme I recall from childhood, from my Mother Goose rhyme book.

    Taffy was a Welshman, Taffy was a thief;
    Taffy came to my house and stole a leg of beef;
    I went to Taffy’s house and Taffy was in bed;
    So I picked up the jerry pot and hit him on the head.

    Taffy was a Welshman, Taffy was a thief;
    Taffy came to my house and stole a piece of beef;
    I went to Taffy’s house, Taffy wasn’t in;
    I jumped upon his Sunday hat and poked it with a pin.

    Taffy was a Welshman, Taffy was a sham;
    Taffy came to my house and stole a piece of lamb;
    I went to Taffy’s house, Taffy was away,
    I stuffed his socks with sawdust and filled his shoes with clay.

    Taffy was a Welshman, Taffy was a cheat,
    Taffy came to my house, and stole a piece of meat;
    I went to Taffy’s house, Taffy was not there,
    I hung his coat and trousers to roast before a fire.

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  2. Two nits to pick with John’s commentary. Not all civil wars are fought along geographic lines. Examples that occur to me are the Russian Civil War of the 1920s and the Algerian War of the 1950s. There may be others. Sometimes a civil war can end with a geographic split, such as the India-Pakistan partition in 1947.

    I’ve read that Kipling’s poem originally referred to “when the English began to hate.” I don’t know when it got rechristened “The Wrath of the Awakened Saxon.” But Kipling often referred to the inhabitants of England at the time of the Norman Conquest as Saxons, so perhaps he wouldn’t be too unhappy with the modification. (Don’t know what to make of those Celts in Scotland and Wales!)

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    • Replies: @Barnard
    I think Derb's larger point is correct though, there is no natural way for the country to divide today. The Southern Alt-Right people at Occidental Dissent and other sites who think they are going to reclaim the South don't seem to have any understanding how small a minority they are in their own states. If it came time to actually secede and the residents of Alabama or Tennessee were told what that meant for them financially, the percentage of those who would support it would be in the low to mid single digits. The only way I see something happening in the United States is after a total financial meltdown, people would need to feel like they had nothing left to lose.
    , @Immigrant from former USSR
    I just have listened the Radio Derb 2017 / 06 /23 in full.
    Being an immigrant myself, I must be careful declaring that I support Derbyshire
    in his justified energetic objections against
    substitution of the population of Western countries,
    including European ones, and of the USA.
    On the other hand, I value very much that Derbyshire, along with Steve Sailer,
    are rare examples of “numerati”. Let us compare the numbers: number of people killed and or maimed by terrorist attacks in the West and the number of people killed and or maimed in Iraq, Syria (without attaching the labels “good” or “bad” to them.) Without claiming any moral equivalencies, it is a duty of the “numerati”, to pay attention to it.
    *
    In somewhat different words, here we have from our beloved John D.
    an energetic condemnation of the part “Invite the World” of triade
    http://www.vdare.com/posts/globalism-versus-the-great-wall-of-america
    Invite the World, Invade the World, in Hock with the World”,
    where is the condemnation of the second part of the triade ?
    Best to Derbyshires !
  3. unit472 says:

    We in the west should count ourselves lucky our Muslim bomb makers are not as skilled as their brethren in the Middle East. That could soon change however as a result of our misguided war on ISIS. When the Caliphate loses its territorial base in Syria and Iraq their skilled bombmakers will become ‘refugees’ and start showing up in Western Europe ( Trump can be expected to keep them out of the US, god and the federal judiciary willing).

    Once in France or Britain they will be able to start a barber shop or hair salon and acquire the hydrogen peroxide and other supplies necessary to make first rate bombs and deploy local nut jobs to detonate them. If you thought Manchester was horrific just wait till an explosives laden lorry is detonated outside Parliament or Notre Dame Cathedral.

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  4. dearieme says:

    “Brendan Cox, whose wife, Jo Cox, a member of Parliament, was shot and killed [last year] by a right-wing extremist, urged the country to fight hateful ideology against Muslims, …”

    St Jo Cox, as she surely will soon be, spent much of her political energy agitating for British invasion of, and airstrikes against, Syria i.e. she was pro-war, pro-blowing up Moslems. She did, however, abstain in the Commons vote on attacking Syria presumably for careerist reasons.

    Why was she so keen on war against Syria? I don’t know: she was a keen supporter of Corbyn for Labour leader so she clearly had no objection to terrorism and brutality. Maybe she wanted the Alawite regime destroyed because her seat has many Sunni electors.

    Her WKPD suggests that she’d never had an honest job in her life.

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    • Replies: @El Dato

    Why was she so keen on war against Syria?
     
    Guess it was the usual

    "Assad is killing his own people (and possibly is worse than Hitler) and we must do something."

    This is how this all started. A protest gone wrong.

    Why anyone would particularly care for Syria I dunno

    (unless you are Israeli - an atomized Syria is good for you - or a coalition soldier during the Iraq war - as most of the really hot bombers came from Syria with support by Syrian authorities - or maybe a french aristocrat - payback for the loss of muh colonial territories; Kurds and Turks and Saudi Arabia have their own reason)
    , @Eagle Eye

    Brendan Cox, whose wife, Jo Cox, a member of Parliament, was shot and killed [last year] by a right-wing extremist, urged the country to fight hateful ideology against Muslims, just as much as it was fighting Islamist militancy.
     
    The official story of the murder of St. Jo seems far too neat and far too convenient to be other than a criminal fabrication. (Yes, a "conspiracy.")

    Consider the actual outcome:

    (1) A somewhat unstable and activist Labour MP is dead.

    (2) The death is blamed - FINALLY! - an a "right wing extremist" white male without even the most remote organizational contacts to known nationalist groups.

    (3) Grieving spouse Brendan Cox - a long-time political operator - becomes a minor celebrity and after a decent interval will no doubt "move on" to a younger and less activist model.

    "Conspiracy theory" (in the famous CIA-coined phrase)? Perhaps. But conspiracies happen.

    Brits perhaps lack an American's Fifth Sense for stories of sole assassins who conveniently turn out to be mentally deranged and/or themselves meet a violent end before they have a chance to spill the beans. (INVESTMENT TIP: Short the stock of whichever life insurance company that issued a policy on the life of the convicted alleged assassin, one Thomas Mair.)

    OFFICIAL STORY: The official version is that Helen Joanne "Jo" Cox was murdered by a 52 year-old man.

    The assassin "had a history of psychiatric problems" but bizarrely was nonetheless found guilty in a criminal trial (rather than acquitted by reasons of insanity) and conveniently sentenced to a "whole-life tariff."

    Any decent defense attorney would have used this background to secure acquittal by reason of insanity, perhaps with commitment to a mental hospital.

    Closer investigation on the ground would no doubt uncover a few more strange anomalies and discrepancies.
  5. “Moral Equivalence”….What the fuck does this even mean?…Answer:it’s an analytically meaningless expression…

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    • Replies: @englishmike

    “Moral Equivalence”….What the fuck does this even mean?…Answer:it’s an analytically meaningless expression…
     
    Courtesy of Wikipedia:

    Moral equivalence is a term used in political debate, usually to criticize any denial that a moral hierarchy can be assessed of two sides in a conflict, or in the actions or tactics of two sides. The term has some limited currency in polemic debates about the Cold War, and more currently, the Arab–Israeli conflict. "Moral equivalence" began to be used as a polemic term-of-retort to "moral relativism", which had been gaining use as an indictment against political foreign policy that appeared to use only a situation-based application of widely held ethical standards.
     
    They can also define a "tautology" for you.
    , @SMK
    Actually, "moral equivalence" would be a salutary improvement. To the ruling-elites and governing-classes of the U.K. and also the U.S. and Canada and Western Europe, a women like Katie Hopkins is more execrable than Muslims preaching jihad and hatred of infidels and provoking and supporting and celebrating acts of terrorism. Rational and honest criticism of and contempt for Islam -a uniquely pernicious and hateful religion founded by a despicable warlord, terrorist, jihadist, misogynist (a real misogynist, as opposed to men -but only white men- who didn't vote for Hillary Clinton), child rapist (a real child rapist -the youngest of the prophets many wives was 6 when they married and 9 when their sacred union was consummated- as opposed to women teachers who allow biological men under age 18 to penetrate them in factually consensual relationships)- is more execrable than the hatred of Muslims for infidels and acts of terrorism. Opposition to Muslim immigration is more execrable than the Muslim invasion of and ultimate destruction of the U.K., France, Germany, Sweden, Belgium, etc. "Islamophobia" is far worse than Muslim hatred, bigotry, misogyny, terrorism, etc.
    , @james c
    You ask what 'moral equivalence 'means.

    You will have to do your own research, but I seem to remember the term being used by Jean Kirkpatrick, when she was downplaying the atrocities of certain regimes in Central America.

    I think it dates from that time and is thus a propaganda term.

    The idea is that not all deaths are equal and it is wrong to claim those from right wing death squads are 'morally equivalent' to those from communists.

    To do so would be a terrible thing, and something no interviewer would admit to.

    Whenever an interview got trciky, Jean would play the moral equivalence card.
  6. When discussing deaths from Islamic terrorism in Europe and the USA, it’s worth remembering that Steve Sailer’s mnemonic triad of insane US policies begins with “invade the world”. Every week that brings a score or so of terrorist deaths in Europe and the USA sees hundreds and more probably thousands of deaths in North Africa, the Levant and the Middle East as a direct result of US policies.

    Many of these deaths result from direct military action by the US or its allies although the victims are all too often civilian men, women and children. A large proportion, perhaps a majority, are deaths from disease and starvation as a result of destroyed infrastructure and US “sanctions”. These “sanctions” deny innocent civilians the most basic necessities of life and often doom them to suffering and gruesome deaths from starvation and untreated disease.

    Perhaps if the USA and its allies stopped prosecuting their criminal aggression against this part of the world the understandable impulse to strike back in any way possible that seems to animate Islamic terrorists might dissipate. If their homelands once again became the relatively calm and comfortable places they were before US aggression perhaps a large part of the populations from which these terrorists are drawn might even return to the homelands from which they’ve they’ve been driven.

    Of course all this is a pipe dream as long as Israel’s Zionist fifth column within the USA effectively dictates US military and foreign policy.

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    • Agree: donut, jacques sheete, Druid
    • Replies: @Immigrant from former USSR
    I concur.
    The verb picked up from the movie "Catch me if you can":
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch_Me_If_You_Can
    , @JoaoAlfaiate
    We bomb them and they bomb us, why is that so difficult for most folks to understand? Why do we in the west think we are so special that when we kill Arabs they are not going to come after us? It has taken years to really anger these third worlders. And now, having angered literally millions of them, this problem is not going to go away anytime soon.
    , @John Pepple
    There are many instances of violent acts by Muslims that have nothing to do with the U.S. or its allies. The shooting of Malala, the assassination of Benazir Bhutto, the many thousands of leftists murdered in Iran beginning in 1979, the massacre of the Charlie Hebdo cartoonists, the massacre in Orlando, etc. Adding in threats of violence, we can include the fatwa against Salman Rushdie. Add in destructive acts, we can include the destruction of the Buddhist statues in Afghanistan and the destruction of some ancient Islamic manuscripts in Timbuktu.

    All of these, together with those supposedly explained as revenge for what America is doing in the Middle East, are better explained by the rise over the past several decades of fundamentalist Islam, which strongly encourages its adherents to make war on the infidel (including those Muslims who are not perceived as true Muslims). If we left the Middle East alone, that would do nothing to help, say, the Sunni-Shi'ite split, nor would it help Christians and other religious minorities in the Muslim world.
  7. Barnard says:
    @Diversity Heretic
    Two nits to pick with John's commentary. Not all civil wars are fought along geographic lines. Examples that occur to me are the Russian Civil War of the 1920s and the Algerian War of the 1950s. There may be others. Sometimes a civil war can end with a geographic split, such as the India-Pakistan partition in 1947.

    I've read that Kipling's poem originally referred to "when the English began to hate." I don't know when it got rechristened "The Wrath of the Awakened Saxon." But Kipling often referred to the inhabitants of England at the time of the Norman Conquest as Saxons, so perhaps he wouldn't be too unhappy with the modification. (Don't know what to make of those Celts in Scotland and Wales!)

    I think Derb’s larger point is correct though, there is no natural way for the country to divide today. The Southern Alt-Right people at Occidental Dissent and other sites who think they are going to reclaim the South don’t seem to have any understanding how small a minority they are in their own states. If it came time to actually secede and the residents of Alabama or Tennessee were told what that meant for them financially, the percentage of those who would support it would be in the low to mid single digits. The only way I see something happening in the United States is after a total financial meltdown, people would need to feel like they had nothing left to lose.

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    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
    Agreed, the geography of any U.S. dissolution/secession/partition is agonizing. And the first southern secession failed spectacularly. But don't overlook the possibility of a Republica del Norte in the southwest in a couple of generations.
    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    A new political division of the current USA after some type of civil war is easier to imagine if one does three things: (1) looks at a county level map of results in the past presidential election; (2) remembers that sprawling nation-states are not the only plausible political entities; (3) considers the possibility of semi-independent city-states like the multitude that existed within the Holy Roman Empire and even early modern nation-states like France and the UK. In fact, many of the United States' current problems could be solved if a new constitution were written recognizing that each of the urban agglomerations -- comprising about 200+ counties in all -- that went Democrat in the last election are distinct political entities and doing the same for the agglomerations of counties -- about 3000 in all -- that went Republican. All these agglomerations could be given new levels of internal and external autonomy and a new system of relating politically to all other such agglomerations. The deal wold be difficult but not impossible and far fairer and less restrictive than the federal system we have today. BTW, please note that I am not suggesting the Democrat cities should have the status accorded states in our current system.
    , @Neuday

    The only way I see something happening in the United States is after a total financial meltdown, people would need to feel like they had nothing left to lose.
     
    Yeah, and what are the odds of THAT happening?
    , @Rod1963
    If you look at the power centers of the white urban liberals - they are all in coastal cities that also happen to have lots of minorities. There area few inland like Chicago - but that's already dying. The other thing about almost all of them, they are loaded to the gills with millions of 3rd world savages and dindu's who are one SNAP card malfunction from burning those cities down along with all the whites that have been supporters of white democide and social engineering for the last 50 years.

    The ones who stagger out of the cities - shoot them. End of problem.

    Here's the thing, I'm old enough to remember white flight from California that infested OR, AZ, WA and CO to the point that anyone with a CA license plate was seen as the enemy by locals. Why were the locals pissed? Because they brought with them the same toxic Leftism that poisoned CA so bad that they fled and the next thing you know things started going bad in those states.
  8. @Barnard
    I think Derb's larger point is correct though, there is no natural way for the country to divide today. The Southern Alt-Right people at Occidental Dissent and other sites who think they are going to reclaim the South don't seem to have any understanding how small a minority they are in their own states. If it came time to actually secede and the residents of Alabama or Tennessee were told what that meant for them financially, the percentage of those who would support it would be in the low to mid single digits. The only way I see something happening in the United States is after a total financial meltdown, people would need to feel like they had nothing left to lose.

    Agreed, the geography of any U.S. dissolution/secession/partition is agonizing. And the first southern secession failed spectacularly. But don’t overlook the possibility of a Republica del Norte in the southwest in a couple of generations.

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    "[D]on’t overlook the possibility of a Republica del Norte in the southwest in a couple of generations."
     
    My dear Diversity Heretic, I shouldn't discount that possibility any more than I should discount what the $ellout E$tabli$hment really desires and has shown that it's aiming to impose: a political union of all three North America countries, a scheme quite like that of the no-passport free-travel EU Schengen states, and, worse, perhaps even including Central, South American, and Caribbean states. The $ellout E$tabli$hment would brand and its Enemedia-Pravda Propaganda Ministry along with the useful idiot Thought Police Left would shill for a Schengen scheme as "comprehensive immigration reform."
    , @jacques sheete

    But don’t overlook the possibility of a Republica del Norte in the southwest in a couple of generations.
     
    There's been a de facto Republik of the Western Hemisphere ever since the imposition of the Monroe Doctrine. I doubt that the rich owners of the entity ever even needed passports as they shuttle back and forth freely in their yachts and jets.
  9. El Dato says:
    @dearieme
    "Brendan Cox, whose wife, Jo Cox, a member of Parliament, was shot and killed [last year] by a right-wing extremist, urged the country to fight hateful ideology against Muslims, ..."

    St Jo Cox, as she surely will soon be, spent much of her political energy agitating for British invasion of, and airstrikes against, Syria i.e. she was pro-war, pro-blowing up Moslems. She did, however, abstain in the Commons vote on attacking Syria presumably for careerist reasons.

    Why was she so keen on war against Syria? I don't know: she was a keen supporter of Corbyn for Labour leader so she clearly had no objection to terrorism and brutality. Maybe she wanted the Alawite regime destroyed because her seat has many Sunni electors.

    Her WKPD suggests that she'd never had an honest job in her life.

    Why was she so keen on war against Syria?

    Guess it was the usual

    “Assad is killing his own people (and possibly is worse than Hitler) and we must do something.”

    This is how this all started. A protest gone wrong.

    Why anyone would particularly care for Syria I dunno

    (unless you are Israeli – an atomized Syria is good for you – or a coalition soldier during the Iraq war – as most of the really hot bombers came from Syria with support by Syrian authorities – or maybe a french aristocrat – payback for the loss of muh colonial territories; Kurds and Turks and Saudi Arabia have their own reason)

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    • Replies: @Immigrant from former USSR
    Duplicate (second time):
    A male colleague of mine together with his wife
    visited their Arabist daughter in Syria,
    and went to give lectures at several Syrian Universities, about 10 years ago.
    They described not a hint of political suppression.
    Universities (at least their STEM parts) were
    at a reasonable “Mediterranean” level: not much better, but not much worse.
    I can not even make myself to think,
    what happened to those Universities nowadays.
  10. @Diversity Heretic
    Two nits to pick with John's commentary. Not all civil wars are fought along geographic lines. Examples that occur to me are the Russian Civil War of the 1920s and the Algerian War of the 1950s. There may be others. Sometimes a civil war can end with a geographic split, such as the India-Pakistan partition in 1947.

    I've read that Kipling's poem originally referred to "when the English began to hate." I don't know when it got rechristened "The Wrath of the Awakened Saxon." But Kipling often referred to the inhabitants of England at the time of the Norman Conquest as Saxons, so perhaps he wouldn't be too unhappy with the modification. (Don't know what to make of those Celts in Scotland and Wales!)

    I just have listened the Radio Derb 2017 / 06 /23 in full.
    Being an immigrant myself, I must be careful declaring that I support Derbyshire
    in his justified energetic objections against
    substitution of the population of Western countries,
    including European ones, and of the USA.
    On the other hand, I value very much that Derbyshire, along with Steve Sailer,
    are rare examples of “numerati”. Let us compare the numbers: number of people killed and or maimed by terrorist attacks in the West and the number of people killed and or maimed in Iraq, Syria (without attaching the labels “good” or “bad” to them.) Without claiming any moral equivalencies, it is a duty of the “numerati”, to pay attention to it.
    *
    In somewhat different words, here we have from our beloved John D.
    an energetic condemnation of the part “Invite the World” of triade

    http://www.vdare.com/posts/globalism-versus-the-great-wall-of-america

    Invite the World, Invade the World, in Hock with the World”,
    where is the condemnation of the second part of the triade ?
    Best to Derbyshires !

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    • Replies: @Negrolphin Pool
    While there can be found instances of condemnation of military adventurism coming from the Alt Right, it does seem like yet another example where the dissident left and dissident right are just talking past each other. One of the most striking features when comparing right to left is their tendency to focus on totally different issues, largely ignoring core components of the other's ideology. It's why you can see such profound ignorance on racial matters from otherwise astute people who mostly read left-leaning publications. I suppose this is to be expected. Different values systems result in different prioritizations.

    Likewise, some on the right may be less aware of lefty pet causes (I am), an example might be the minutiae of discretionary wars, as reported by the likes of Nick Turse or Jeremy Scahill. But the Unz comentariat seems uniquely well-rounded, and I just read something purportedly scientific the other day that said the right is generally more factually adept when discussing left wing views than vice-versa.

  11. @Jus' Sayin'...
    When discussing deaths from Islamic terrorism in Europe and the USA, it's worth remembering that Steve Sailer's mnemonic triad of insane US policies begins with "invade the world". Every week that brings a score or so of terrorist deaths in Europe and the USA sees hundreds and more probably thousands of deaths in North Africa, the Levant and the Middle East as a direct result of US policies.

    Many of these deaths result from direct military action by the US or its allies although the victims are all too often civilian men, women and children. A large proportion, perhaps a majority, are deaths from disease and starvation as a result of destroyed infrastructure and US "sanctions". These "sanctions" deny innocent civilians the most basic necessities of life and often doom them to suffering and gruesome deaths from starvation and untreated disease.

    Perhaps if the USA and its allies stopped prosecuting their criminal aggression against this part of the world the understandable impulse to strike back in any way possible that seems to animate Islamic terrorists might dissipate. If their homelands once again became the relatively calm and comfortable places they were before US aggression perhaps a large part of the populations from which these terrorists are drawn might even return to the homelands from which they've they've been driven.

    Of course all this is a pipe dream as long as Israel's Zionist fifth column within the USA effectively dictates US military and foreign policy.

    I concur.
    The verb picked up from the movie “Catch me if you can”:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch_Me_If_You_Can

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  12. @El Dato

    Why was she so keen on war against Syria?
     
    Guess it was the usual

    "Assad is killing his own people (and possibly is worse than Hitler) and we must do something."

    This is how this all started. A protest gone wrong.

    Why anyone would particularly care for Syria I dunno

    (unless you are Israeli - an atomized Syria is good for you - or a coalition soldier during the Iraq war - as most of the really hot bombers came from Syria with support by Syrian authorities - or maybe a french aristocrat - payback for the loss of muh colonial territories; Kurds and Turks and Saudi Arabia have their own reason)

    Duplicate (second time):
    A male colleague of mine together with his wife
    visited their Arabist daughter in Syria,
    and went to give lectures at several Syrian Universities, about 10 years ago.
    They described not a hint of political suppression.
    Universities (at least their STEM parts) were
    at a reasonable “Mediterranean” level: not much better, but not much worse.
    I can not even make myself to think,
    what happened to those Universities nowadays.

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    • Replies: @donut
    Let's ask Syrian Girl what she thinks .

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pO5xpTZ4C0g

    Subscribe to :
    SyrianGirlpartisan

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4unV5BVmWubfAF0Al_AVdw
  13. @Barnard
    I think Derb's larger point is correct though, there is no natural way for the country to divide today. The Southern Alt-Right people at Occidental Dissent and other sites who think they are going to reclaim the South don't seem to have any understanding how small a minority they are in their own states. If it came time to actually secede and the residents of Alabama or Tennessee were told what that meant for them financially, the percentage of those who would support it would be in the low to mid single digits. The only way I see something happening in the United States is after a total financial meltdown, people would need to feel like they had nothing left to lose.

    A new political division of the current USA after some type of civil war is easier to imagine if one does three things: (1) looks at a county level map of results in the past presidential election; (2) remembers that sprawling nation-states are not the only plausible political entities; (3) considers the possibility of semi-independent city-states like the multitude that existed within the Holy Roman Empire and even early modern nation-states like France and the UK. In fact, many of the United States’ current problems could be solved if a new constitution were written recognizing that each of the urban agglomerations — comprising about 200+ counties in all — that went Democrat in the last election are distinct political entities and doing the same for the agglomerations of counties — about 3000 in all — that went Republican. All these agglomerations could be given new levels of internal and external autonomy and a new system of relating politically to all other such agglomerations. The deal wold be difficult but not impossible and far fairer and less restrictive than the federal system we have today. BTW, please note that I am not suggesting the Democrat cities should have the status accorded states in our current system.

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    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
    That's a very good suggestion. We need a constitutional convention to make some other political arrangement than the present federal one if the United States is not to dissolve into civil war. George Kennan made a suggestion along similar lines in his book "Around the Cragged Hill." Unfortunately, the level of division in the United States probably precludes it. Can you even imagine an American politician making such a perfectly reasonable suggestion?
    , @Capn Mike
    Pretty close there. BUT the aggregation of all those red counties puts us right back in the frying pan. Split those into small pieces as well. Think of Swiss cantons for example.
    You may want to investigate Hans Hoppe's excellent work in this area. maybe you already have, you sound bright).
    , @Corvinus
    Your plan is mere fantasy. But I give you props for creativity.
  14. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    This is the New France that must be celebrated.

    These days, even Japan is being Africanized with Japanese women having black babies who take over sports.

    But in France, it’s much worse. Even the culture is being taken over by invaders.

    http://www.avclub.com/review/directorial-debuts-are-rarely-confident-stylish-an-245990

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  15. Am I the only one who wants to see Derb debate Morgan on this issue?

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  16. And while I’m picking nits, I note that the guy who drove the van was Welsh. A Welshman will not thank you for calling him English, and he’ll be plain baffled if you call him a Saxon.

    Oooh you’re going to cop it from the Taff, Derbs. Ozzy is from Weston (-super-Mare), on the English side of the bridge. He only moved to Cardiff a few years ago.
    We’re going to have to reconcile the diff. by admitting that Wurzel Death Squads are, indeed, a Thing. Oooo-aaarrrr. Ban all tractors.

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  17. Renoman says:

    England is doomed, they sold their Country and they sold it cheap so they could take the high road of human rights. They will now be hacked to pieces.

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  18. Extra! Extra! Read All About It!

    Anti-white defamation by yet another ‘hate hoax’.

    It is the national pastime of America. ‘HateBall’.

    The Glob that controls media and academia has spread the idea that White Christian Nazis are romping all around. Problem is it’s all fiction.

    So, Muslims, Jews, and blacks make up stuff to make ‘reality’ fit their fantasy.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/06/24/woman-suspected-setting-iowa-mosque-fire/426050001/

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  19. fnn says:

    Tucker Carlson must have some Welsh blood, he went out of his way to slam the Chicoms:

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    This is something I just can never get. We are constantly being told about the high IQ's of the Chinese - yet they seem to be among the most superstitious & insanely cruel people on Earth. They torture poor little dogs to death, believing, on no grounds whatsoever, that the more the dogs suffer, the better the meat will taste. (As if the better taste would justify the cruelty!) They hunt African rhino's to extinction because of absurd beliefs about the aphrodisiac properties of their horns. And so on and so forth.

    Three or four years ago, I accompanied my elderly mother on a trip to China. One stop was at a fish market. I stopped at a booth where a guy was stripping the scales off a fish, as it struggled to escape. It slipped away, a couple of times, but he retrieved it, and continued stripping away the scales - without killing it. He saw me watching - and laughed and laughed - apparently thinking that I would share in his amusement.
  20. @Diversity Heretic
    Agreed, the geography of any U.S. dissolution/secession/partition is agonizing. And the first southern secession failed spectacularly. But don't overlook the possibility of a Republica del Norte in the southwest in a couple of generations.

    “[D]on’t overlook the possibility of a Republica del Norte in the southwest in a couple of generations.”

    My dear Diversity Heretic, I shouldn’t discount that possibility any more than I should discount what the $ellout E$tabli$hment really desires and has shown that it’s aiming to impose: a political union of all three North America countries, a scheme quite like that of the no-passport free-travel EU Schengen states, and, worse, perhaps even including Central, South American, and Caribbean states. The $ellout E$tabli$hment would brand and its Enemedia-Pravda Propaganda Ministry along with the useful idiot Thought Police Left would shill for a Schengen scheme as “comprehensive immigration reform.”

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    • Replies: @englishmike

    ...a political union of all three North America countries, a scheme quite like that of the no-passport free-travel EU Schengen states, and, worse, perhaps even including Central, South American, and Caribbean states.
     
    No doubt you remember the remarks "wikileaked" from Hillary's secret speech to a minor European bank:

    “My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, some time in the future with energy that is as green and sustainable as we can get it, powering growth and opportunity for every person in the hemisphere.” [05162013 Remarks to Banco Itau.doc, p. 28]
     
    As Breitbart reported at the time of the leak:

    Clinton also denounced the idea of putting up barriers to global trade, a statement which will likely raise concerns with grassroots and working-class voters in her own party. “We have to resist protectionism, other kinds of barriers to market access and to trade,” Clinton said.

    Even though it has gone virtually unreported by corporate media, Breitbart News has extensively documented the Clintons’ longstanding support for “open borders.” Interestingly, as the Los Angeles Times observed in 2007, the Clinton’s praise for globalization and open borders frequently comes when they are speaking before a wealthy foreign audiences and donors.

    In July 2007, Bill Clinton praised the benefits of “open borders” and “easy immigration” while delivering the keynote address at the 16th Telugu Association of North America (TANA) conference in Washington D.C. to a crowd of thousands of Indian Americans. 

    As the Los Angeles Times reported at the time, Clinton “drew applause at a conference of 14,000 Indian Americans in Washington as he extolled the benefits of ‘open borders, easy travel, easy immigration.’” It went on to report, “The same day, he headlined a fundraiser at the conference for his wife’s [failed 2008 presidential] campaign.”

    In a 2003 speech delivered to Yale University, Bill Clinton called for the establishment of a “global community,” praised the “openness of our borders to immigrants,” and declared that America “has great obligations to open our borders.” Clinton said that he believes the formation of a “genuine global community”—complete with an “over-arching system” to regulate it—to be “the great mission of the 21st century.”
     
    This material comes from Hillary: ‘My Dream Is a Hemispheric Common Market with Open Trade and Open Borders’October 7, 2016 at conservativeread.com

    They also quoted the opinion of Jeff Sessions:

    “For the first time in a long time, this November will give Americans a clear choice on perhaps the most important issue facing our country and our civilization: whether we remain a nation-state that serves its own people, or whether we slide irrevocably toward a soulless globalism that treats humans as interchangeable widgets in the world market.”

     

  21. @Immigrant from former USSR
    I just have listened the Radio Derb 2017 / 06 /23 in full.
    Being an immigrant myself, I must be careful declaring that I support Derbyshire
    in his justified energetic objections against
    substitution of the population of Western countries,
    including European ones, and of the USA.
    On the other hand, I value very much that Derbyshire, along with Steve Sailer,
    are rare examples of “numerati”. Let us compare the numbers: number of people killed and or maimed by terrorist attacks in the West and the number of people killed and or maimed in Iraq, Syria (without attaching the labels “good” or “bad” to them.) Without claiming any moral equivalencies, it is a duty of the “numerati”, to pay attention to it.
    *
    In somewhat different words, here we have from our beloved John D.
    an energetic condemnation of the part “Invite the World” of triade
    http://www.vdare.com/posts/globalism-versus-the-great-wall-of-america
    Invite the World, Invade the World, in Hock with the World”,
    where is the condemnation of the second part of the triade ?
    Best to Derbyshires !

    While there can be found instances of condemnation of military adventurism coming from the Alt Right, it does seem like yet another example where the dissident left and dissident right are just talking past each other. One of the most striking features when comparing right to left is their tendency to focus on totally different issues, largely ignoring core components of the other’s ideology. It’s why you can see such profound ignorance on racial matters from otherwise astute people who mostly read left-leaning publications. I suppose this is to be expected. Different values systems result in different prioritizations.

    Likewise, some on the right may be less aware of lefty pet causes (I am), an example might be the minutiae of discretionary wars, as reported by the likes of Nick Turse or Jeremy Scahill. But the Unz comentariat seems uniquely well-rounded, and I just read something purportedly scientific the other day that said the right is generally more factually adept when discussing left wing views than vice-versa.

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    How Many Bombs Did the United States Drop in 2016?

    https://www.cfr.org/blog-post/how-many-bombs-did-united-states-drop-2016
    "cfr" stands for Council on Foreign Relations.

    Total: 26172 .
    ...
    Syria: 12,192 ,
    Iraq: 12,095 ,
    ...
    Counting about 1 ton per bomb, one gets about 12 kilotons for Syria: about 1 Hiroshima for Syria in 2016 alone.

  22. Eagle Eye says:
    @dearieme
    "Brendan Cox, whose wife, Jo Cox, a member of Parliament, was shot and killed [last year] by a right-wing extremist, urged the country to fight hateful ideology against Muslims, ..."

    St Jo Cox, as she surely will soon be, spent much of her political energy agitating for British invasion of, and airstrikes against, Syria i.e. she was pro-war, pro-blowing up Moslems. She did, however, abstain in the Commons vote on attacking Syria presumably for careerist reasons.

    Why was she so keen on war against Syria? I don't know: she was a keen supporter of Corbyn for Labour leader so she clearly had no objection to terrorism and brutality. Maybe she wanted the Alawite regime destroyed because her seat has many Sunni electors.

    Her WKPD suggests that she'd never had an honest job in her life.

    Brendan Cox, whose wife, Jo Cox, a member of Parliament, was shot and killed [last year] by a right-wing extremist, urged the country to fight hateful ideology against Muslims, just as much as it was fighting Islamist militancy.

    The official story of the murder of St. Jo seems far too neat and far too convenient to be other than a criminal fabrication. (Yes, a “conspiracy.”)

    Consider the actual outcome:

    (1) A somewhat unstable and activist Labour MP is dead.

    (2) The death is blamed – FINALLY! – an a “right wing extremist” white male without even the most remote organizational contacts to known nationalist groups.

    (3) Grieving spouse Brendan Cox – a long-time political operator – becomes a minor celebrity and after a decent interval will no doubt “move on” to a younger and less activist model.

    “Conspiracy theory” (in the famous CIA-coined phrase)? Perhaps. But conspiracies happen.

    Brits perhaps lack an American’s Fifth Sense for stories of sole assassins who conveniently turn out to be mentally deranged and/or themselves meet a violent end before they have a chance to spill the beans. (INVESTMENT TIP: Short the stock of whichever life insurance company that issued a policy on the life of the convicted alleged assassin, one Thomas Mair.)

    OFFICIAL STORY: The official version is that Helen Joanne “Jo” Cox was murdered by a 52 year-old man.

    The assassin “had a history of psychiatric problems” but bizarrely was nonetheless found guilty in a criminal trial (rather than acquitted by reasons of insanity) and conveniently sentenced to a “whole-life tariff.”

    Any decent defense attorney would have used this background to secure acquittal by reason of insanity, perhaps with commitment to a mental hospital.

    Closer investigation on the ground would no doubt uncover a few more strange anomalies and discrepancies.

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    I completely agree with Eagle Eye on the Thomas Mair case.

    The guy had certified mental health issues yet his attorney did not even plead manslaughter through diminished responsibility. Any half beat attorney pleads this (even for example in the recent case of a Welsh man killing his mistress claiming manslaughter on account of Asperger's Syndrome)

    A few other anomalies. The police said the gun used had been stolen in the previous year but offered no evidence on how it had come into Mair's possession. Since Mair hardly ever went out, it hardly seems likely he managed to buy it in a pub or through a criminal syndicate. He was supposed to be racist but never touched Cox's Asian friend who was trying to fend him off with a handbag.

    Another anomaly. Of course Mair's internet usage on his home computer and the one he supposedly used in the public library showed the usual things associated with a right-wing extremist, visits to a few gun sites, white supremacist sites etc. Nobody seemed to think it odd i) why he needed to go to the public library at all ii) why he did not delete the web histories and/or go incognito iii) what his web history was prior to more than just a few days before the killing.

    Yet another anomaly. He had the requisite books on Nazi history/ regalia / weapons in his house but no evidence I believe was presented as to when and where they had been bought or if they had been read.

    Of course the clincher was the fact that virtually less than 2 hours after the killing, it was revealed by an American civil rights group that Mr Mair had bought one or more combat magazines about South African white supremacist groups on the internet 17 years before. The internet was barely being used by most people 17 years ago never mind for internet shopping! Could anybody find an internet receipt for anything they had bought more than 4 years ago?

    Usually in a trial we find out background about the alleged criminal which throws light on how and why he might have carried out the alleged crime. However in the case of Mair we found out nothing - not how much money he had, how he shopped, who his friends (if any) were.

    My strong suspicion was that the Deep State recruited him as a sleeper patsy agent many years ago who they activated in the closing steps of the Referendum when it looked like Leave were edging ahead. Everything including his bizarre comments at his committal proceedings, his refusal to give evidence or even talk to his attorney and then his desire to make a statement after sentencing, only suggests someone not only mentally ill but operating under instructions.

    Jo Cox was a suitably saintly but inconsequential figure to play the victim role. The less said about her husband who should have been asking all of the above questions, the better.

    When will the British public wake up?
  23. Churchill in 1918 defended in parliament his use of poison gas in Damascus.
    The same Churchill in 1898 glorified a British genocide in what now is N Afghanistan.
    Western terror against Muslims has a long history.
    This terror has two effects:
    - Muslims hate us
    - they have no other option but fleeing towards enemy territory.
    Of course world leaders know this

    http://www.achgut.com/artikel/anmerkungen_eines_nicht_hilfreichen

    Sarrazin ends with the question if Merkel’s immigration policy has other goals than German goals.
    Is it possible that Muslims and christians exterminating each other is the objective ?

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    • Replies: @dearieme
    "Churchill in 1918 defended in parliament his use of poison gas in Damascus."

    But in 1918 Churchill was Minister of Munitions, supervising the munitions factories. I'm surprised he'd time to nip out to the Middle East and be an amateur general. I suspect you're talking bollocks.
  24. @Jus' Sayin'...
    A new political division of the current USA after some type of civil war is easier to imagine if one does three things: (1) looks at a county level map of results in the past presidential election; (2) remembers that sprawling nation-states are not the only plausible political entities; (3) considers the possibility of semi-independent city-states like the multitude that existed within the Holy Roman Empire and even early modern nation-states like France and the UK. In fact, many of the United States' current problems could be solved if a new constitution were written recognizing that each of the urban agglomerations -- comprising about 200+ counties in all -- that went Democrat in the last election are distinct political entities and doing the same for the agglomerations of counties -- about 3000 in all -- that went Republican. All these agglomerations could be given new levels of internal and external autonomy and a new system of relating politically to all other such agglomerations. The deal wold be difficult but not impossible and far fairer and less restrictive than the federal system we have today. BTW, please note that I am not suggesting the Democrat cities should have the status accorded states in our current system.

    That’s a very good suggestion. We need a constitutional convention to make some other political arrangement than the present federal one if the United States is not to dissolve into civil war. George Kennan made a suggestion along similar lines in his book “Around the Cragged Hill.” Unfortunately, the level of division in the United States probably precludes it. Can you even imagine an American politician making such a perfectly reasonable suggestion?

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  25. @War for Blair Mountain
    "Moral Equivalence"....What the fuck does this even mean?...Answer:it's an analytically meaningless expression...

    “Moral Equivalence”….What the fuck does this even mean?…Answer:it’s an analytically meaningless expression…

    Courtesy of Wikipedia:

    Moral equivalence is a term used in political debate, usually to criticize any denial that a moral hierarchy can be assessed of two sides in a conflict, or in the actions or tactics of two sides. The term has some limited currency in polemic debates about the Cold War, and more currently, the Arab–Israeli conflict. “Moral equivalence” began to be used as a polemic term-of-retort to “moral relativism”, which had been gaining use as an indictment against political foreign policy that appeared to use only a situation-based application of widely held ethical standards.

    They can also define a “tautology” for you.

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    Dear englishturd

    Perhaps you shouldn't use Wikipedia as an oracle to all the questions in life. Perhaps one day you can learn how to think for yourself.

    "moral equivalence" is a term that has lots of propaganda value...It's a debating trick used by debaters...But the expression contains no serious analytical value.
  26. @Auntie Analogue

    "[D]on’t overlook the possibility of a Republica del Norte in the southwest in a couple of generations."
     
    My dear Diversity Heretic, I shouldn't discount that possibility any more than I should discount what the $ellout E$tabli$hment really desires and has shown that it's aiming to impose: a political union of all three North America countries, a scheme quite like that of the no-passport free-travel EU Schengen states, and, worse, perhaps even including Central, South American, and Caribbean states. The $ellout E$tabli$hment would brand and its Enemedia-Pravda Propaganda Ministry along with the useful idiot Thought Police Left would shill for a Schengen scheme as "comprehensive immigration reform."

    …a political union of all three North America countries, a scheme quite like that of the no-passport free-travel EU Schengen states, and, worse, perhaps even including Central, South American, and Caribbean states.

    No doubt you remember the remarks “wikileaked” from Hillary’s secret speech to a minor European bank:

    “My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, some time in the future with energy that is as green and sustainable as we can get it, powering growth and opportunity for every person in the hemisphere.” [05162013 Remarks to Banco Itau.doc, p. 28]

    As Breitbart reported at the time of the leak:

    Clinton also denounced the idea of putting up barriers to global trade, a statement which will likely raise concerns with grassroots and working-class voters in her own party. “We have to resist protectionism, other kinds of barriers to market access and to trade,” Clinton said.

    Even though it has gone virtually unreported by corporate media, Breitbart News has extensively documented the Clintons’ longstanding support for “open borders.” Interestingly, as the Los Angeles Times observed in 2007, the Clinton’s praise for globalization and open borders frequently comes when they are speaking before a wealthy foreign audiences and donors.

    In July 2007, Bill Clinton praised the benefits of “open borders” and “easy immigration” while delivering the keynote address at the 16th Telugu Association of North America (TANA) conference in Washington D.C. to a crowd of thousands of Indian Americans. 

    As the Los Angeles Times reported at the time, Clinton “drew applause at a conference of 14,000 Indian Americans in Washington as he extolled the benefits of ‘open borders, easy travel, easy immigration.’” It went on to report, “The same day, he headlined a fundraiser at the conference for his wife’s [failed 2008 presidential] campaign.”

    In a 2003 speech delivered to Yale University, Bill Clinton called for the establishment of a “global community,” praised the “openness of our borders to immigrants,” and declared that America “has great obligations to open our borders.” Clinton said that he believes the formation of a “genuine global community”—complete with an “over-arching system” to regulate it—to be “the great mission of the 21st century.”

    This material comes from Hillary: ‘My Dream Is a Hemispheric Common Market with Open Trade and Open Borders’October 7, 2016 at conservativeread.com

    They also quoted the opinion of Jeff Sessions:

    “For the first time in a long time, this November will give Americans a clear choice on perhaps the most important issue facing our country and our civilization: whether we remain a nation-state that serves its own people, or whether we slide irrevocably toward a soulless globalism that treats humans as interchangeable widgets in the world market.”

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    My dear englishmike, your reply fleshes out my having written "what the $ellout E$tabli$hment really desires and has shown that it's aiming to impose*." In this the Bush family and many others of both political parties, besides Hillary Clinton herself, are manifestly, avowedly complicit; and the same is true of the $ellout E$tabli$hment in the United Kingdom and western Europe, the latter including, and especially, in Sweden.

    [Italics not in my original comment No. 20, applied here above for emphasis.]
    , @englishmike

    My dear englishmike, your reply fleshes out my having written "what the $ellout E$tabli$hment really desires and has shown that it's aiming to impose*."
     
    I thought it was worth amplifying your point. Hope you didn't mind.

    and the same is true of the $ellout E$tabli$hment in the United Kingdom and western Europe
     
    Yes. And the establishment that took Britain into the Common Market ("EU") was the headed by something calling itself the "Conservative Party".

    Btw: am I right in thinking that Donald Trump is the only US presidential candidate who ever supported the right of the British to vote "leave"?
  27. @Jus' Sayin'...
    When discussing deaths from Islamic terrorism in Europe and the USA, it's worth remembering that Steve Sailer's mnemonic triad of insane US policies begins with "invade the world". Every week that brings a score or so of terrorist deaths in Europe and the USA sees hundreds and more probably thousands of deaths in North Africa, the Levant and the Middle East as a direct result of US policies.

    Many of these deaths result from direct military action by the US or its allies although the victims are all too often civilian men, women and children. A large proportion, perhaps a majority, are deaths from disease and starvation as a result of destroyed infrastructure and US "sanctions". These "sanctions" deny innocent civilians the most basic necessities of life and often doom them to suffering and gruesome deaths from starvation and untreated disease.

    Perhaps if the USA and its allies stopped prosecuting their criminal aggression against this part of the world the understandable impulse to strike back in any way possible that seems to animate Islamic terrorists might dissipate. If their homelands once again became the relatively calm and comfortable places they were before US aggression perhaps a large part of the populations from which these terrorists are drawn might even return to the homelands from which they've they've been driven.

    Of course all this is a pipe dream as long as Israel's Zionist fifth column within the USA effectively dictates US military and foreign policy.

    We bomb them and they bomb us, why is that so difficult for most folks to understand? Why do we in the west think we are so special that when we kill Arabs they are not going to come after us? It has taken years to really anger these third worlders. And now, having angered literally millions of them, this problem is not going to go away anytime soon.

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  28. That’s the butcher’s bill for this week.

    Not quite.

    How many people died as a result of American military/ corporate action (aka terrorism) all over the world?

    Get your definitions straight, and keep ‘em consistent, Sonny.

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  29. Britain never needed Muslims and it was criminally foolish of the Brits to allow Muslim settlement in such numbers

    (Sigh) Must we go through this tedious nonsense yet again…? Yes, we must.

    At NO time EVER in the past 60 years has ANY British person ever been ALLOWED or PERMITTED – let alone asked, requested, cajoled or persuaded – to give his/her opinion on the prima facie destruction of his country by mass displacement-level third-world Moslem immigration. Everything which has taken place from 1950 onwards, when the first Blacks from the West Indies began to arrive – as we were told, to “help re-build” after the war, and without fanfare or any form of formal public anouncement or discussion – the British people were increasingly confused, anxious and unhappy as to how exactly such levels of foreign immigration were taking place out of a blue sky, without the slightest mention of such things in the mother of Parliaments. It’s important to remember that at that time, certainly in Britain, people actually TRUSTED their government representatives to look after them, and their nation. Shock horror. For a very long time – far, far too long in hindsight – nothing was said by the people – and nothing was discussed, and certainly not changed, by their “elected representatives”.

    This was bad enough, but once the first waves of Moslems – from Pakistan of all places, the dirtiest possible man of the dirty Islamic world – began to arrive in large numbers in the 1960′s and 1970′s – and, despite their immigrant “pennilessness”, to buy up corner shops, newsagents, small inner-city trades and stalls of every description – the rot, for many highly-intelligent, far-seeing and anxious but still mostly silent ordinary British people had already begun to set in. Pakistani “businesses” everywhere – many of them little more than bazaar stalls straight from the stinking rubbish-filled streets of Karachi and Lahore – quickly became a byword amongst White British people,for dishonesty, change-fiddling and petty theft. White people avoided them accordingly – and were labelled “racists” in response by the ruling liberal class of race traitors who had facilitated their discomfort. Soon the first “educated” Moslems, mostly Doctors and almost all Pakistanis, though some Indians also, had begun to arrive – and inexplicably moved straight into hundreds of quiet, friendly, old-fashioned suburban Doctor’s Practices as well as clinics and larger Hospitals. There, a whole generation of older, timid, often half-deaf British Pensioners who had never met a foreigner in their lives before routinely left their medical appointments in tears of confusion and anguish – as despite their pain, distress and worry they had not been able to understand a word their new “Doctor” had mumbled to them through his completely inadequate “educated” English and impenetrable Pakistani accent. Nor had they been able to arrange, very often, the treatment or medication they sorely needed. No White British person of that time – myself included though I was only a child – has forgotten nor will ever forgive those shameful, immoral, day-to-day humiliations of ordinary decent British people – in their own land and previously tight-knit, happy communities.

    By the time Enoch Powell – a deeply brave, plain-speaking and wonderfully stubborn Member of Parliament from the ignored English Midlands made his now-infamous “rivers of blood” speech in 1968, setting out as clear as crystal what awaited a nation and people whose communities, culture, way of life and physical territory was being usurped at high speed by a race of outsiders with whom we had nothing whatever in common – and who, worse still, plainly despised the nation and the culture to which THEY had chosen to emigrate – many British White people sensed that it was already too late to reverse, or even block, the rot. And still, from Parliament – Nothing. Not a jot of an explanation as to exactly how or why, despite 4-yearly General Elections and routinely-changing political administrations with opposite economic and social goals, mass displacement-level, overwhelmingly Moslem immigration simply carried on – undebated, un-voted, and unchanged. The hated, despised – and of course rushed, substantially un-debated – Race Relations Act of 1974 fulfilled it’s primary design purpose also, in ensuring that any White person who so much as commented publicly on the countless obvious drawbacks, downsides and problems with mass immigrant presence would be promptly hauled before a court of law for “race hatred”, and almost certainly as a result lose his job, livelihood and reputation -amidst routine gleeful tabloid newspaper sensationalism.

    Beyond that, by 1978 the writing was on the wall. First, in what many believe to have been direct, undebated government response to the revolution upheaval of Iran returning to a medieval Islamic theocracy after it’s most settled and prosperous period under a civilised, educated, western-looking Shah, the “educated”, exiled Iranians, Iraquis and Egyptians arrived in Britain througout the 1980′s in huge numbers – to fill high-paid vacancies in laboratories, science-based companies and research organisations which had barely been advertised to indigenous White British people. By this time, middle-east Moslem immigration was only the latest and most disturbing manifestation of the seemingly-endless flood to Britain of the throng of all nations, for in the meantime, in addition to Libyans, Algerians and thousands more West Indians every year, there had been, in short order, every year tens of thousands of Nigerians, Kenyans, Zimbabweans, and eventually Ugandans, whose own national trauma under the blood-soaked cannibal maniac Idi Amin had resulted in the British government immediately and generously agreeing to receive upwards of 60,000 “Ugandan Asians” expelled by racist Amin – these without any substantial working skills, Passports or even in many cases provable identification.

    What happened under the race traitors and war criminals Blair, Brown and Campbell after the long-awaited Labour election victory of 1997 is now itself history. From a peacock-posturing victory celebration over the hated Tories, the Jewish-funded, Jewish-controlled champagne socialist scum Tony Blair and his old-school Labour party cronies newly in government moved quickly to a proven private policy decison to “rub the noses of the Right in Diversity” – by importing hundreds of thousands more immigrants to join the millions since 1950. This was also a deliberate and well-calculated snub to a whole raft of their own helpless British people – now reeling under the effects of a broken society which had undergone massive and irreversible social change in two generations. The race traitors of the “New Labour” party government perceived ordinary White people to be snobbish, “bourgeois”, middle-class – and simply, in their own lands, far too “White”. By the time anyone realised that the post-2000 flood of Moslems was, not the few hundred thousand the Labour scum had sniggered about but well over 5 million in ten years – legal and illegal, and most of them from the very worst and most dangerous corners of ruined Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya, no one even in the dispirited, opposing Conservative party had anything to offer by way of remedy. Much less could the British people exercise power – that had long since been removed from them by force.

    Put the blame where it truly belongs – and don’t forget through all of this the hidden hand of malevolent, ruthless, murderous White-hating racist power behind all of these passing scenes. One day the veil will fall at last.

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    • Agree: anarchyst
    • Replies: @jacques sheete

    Everything which has taken place from 1950 onwards, when the first Blacks from the West Indies began to arrive – as we were told, to “help re-build” after the war
     
    Duped again, yet "we" never learn.

    "We" still think "we" won de war!

    Amazing.


    By the time Enoch Powell – a deeply brave, plain-speaking and wonderfully stubborn Member of Parliament from the ignored English Midlands made his now-infamous “rivers of blood” speech in 1968, setting out as clear as crystal what awaited a nation and people whose communities, culture, way of life and physical territory was being usurped at high speed by a race of outsiders...
     
    Funny how Hitler was condemned, demonized and destroyed for expressing similar ideas.

    From Powell's speech, and this is a huge flaw in political systems.


    By the same token, they attract little attention in comparison with current troubles,
    which are both indisputable and pressing: whence the besetting temptation of all politics to
    concern itself with the immediate present at the expense of the future.
     
    , @AnnonimouseToo
    Not to worry. All those whites will go to heaven when they die. It's guaranteed by the salesmen for the crucified (((savior))). The real power behind the scene has been around for a very long time.
  30. donut says:
    @Immigrant from former USSR
    Duplicate (second time):
    A male colleague of mine together with his wife
    visited their Arabist daughter in Syria,
    and went to give lectures at several Syrian Universities, about 10 years ago.
    They described not a hint of political suppression.
    Universities (at least their STEM parts) were
    at a reasonable “Mediterranean” level: not much better, but not much worse.
    I can not even make myself to think,
    what happened to those Universities nowadays.

    Let’s ask Syrian Girl what she thinks .

    Subscribe to :
    SyrianGirlpartisan

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4unV5BVmWubfAF0Al_AVdw

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  31. @Dave Bowman

    Britain never needed Muslims and it was criminally foolish of the Brits to allow Muslim settlement in such numbers
     
    (Sigh) Must we go through this tedious nonsense yet again...? Yes, we must.

    At NO time EVER in the past 60 years has ANY British person ever been ALLOWED or PERMITTED - let alone asked, requested, cajoled or persuaded - to give his/her opinion on the prima facie destruction of his country by mass displacement-level third-world Moslem immigration. Everything which has taken place from 1950 onwards, when the first Blacks from the West Indies began to arrive - as we were told, to "help re-build" after the war, and without fanfare or any form of formal public anouncement or discussion - the British people were increasingly confused, anxious and unhappy as to how exactly such levels of foreign immigration were taking place out of a blue sky, without the slightest mention of such things in the mother of Parliaments. It's important to remember that at that time, certainly in Britain, people actually TRUSTED their government representatives to look after them, and their nation. Shock horror. For a very long time - far, far too long in hindsight - nothing was said by the people - and nothing was discussed, and certainly not changed, by their "elected representatives".

    This was bad enough, but once the first waves of Moslems - from Pakistan of all places, the dirtiest possible man of the dirty Islamic world - began to arrive in large numbers in the 1960's and 1970's - and, despite their immigrant "pennilessness", to buy up corner shops, newsagents, small inner-city trades and stalls of every description - the rot, for many highly-intelligent, far-seeing and anxious but still mostly silent ordinary British people had already begun to set in. Pakistani "businesses" everywhere - many of them little more than bazaar stalls straight from the stinking rubbish-filled streets of Karachi and Lahore - quickly became a byword amongst White British people,for dishonesty, change-fiddling and petty theft. White people avoided them accordingly - and were labelled "racists" in response by the ruling liberal class of race traitors who had facilitated their discomfort. Soon the first "educated" Moslems, mostly Doctors and almost all Pakistanis, though some Indians also, had begun to arrive - and inexplicably moved straight into hundreds of quiet, friendly, old-fashioned suburban Doctor's Practices as well as clinics and larger Hospitals. There, a whole generation of older, timid, often half-deaf British Pensioners who had never met a foreigner in their lives before routinely left their medical appointments in tears of confusion and anguish - as despite their pain, distress and worry they had not been able to understand a word their new "Doctor" had mumbled to them through his completely inadequate "educated" English and impenetrable Pakistani accent. Nor had they been able to arrange, very often, the treatment or medication they sorely needed. No White British person of that time - myself included though I was only a child - has forgotten nor will ever forgive those shameful, immoral, day-to-day humiliations of ordinary decent British people - in their own land and previously tight-knit, happy communities.

    By the time Enoch Powell - a deeply brave, plain-speaking and wonderfully stubborn Member of Parliament from the ignored English Midlands made his now-infamous "rivers of blood" speech in 1968, setting out as clear as crystal what awaited a nation and people whose communities, culture, way of life and physical territory was being usurped at high speed by a race of outsiders with whom we had nothing whatever in common - and who, worse still, plainly despised the nation and the culture to which THEY had chosen to emigrate - many British White people sensed that it was already too late to reverse, or even block, the rot. And still, from Parliament - Nothing. Not a jot of an explanation as to exactly how or why, despite 4-yearly General Elections and routinely-changing political administrations with opposite economic and social goals, mass displacement-level, overwhelmingly Moslem immigration simply carried on - undebated, un-voted, and unchanged. The hated, despised - and of course rushed, substantially un-debated - Race Relations Act of 1974 fulfilled it's primary design purpose also, in ensuring that any White person who so much as commented publicly on the countless obvious drawbacks, downsides and problems with mass immigrant presence would be promptly hauled before a court of law for "race hatred", and almost certainly as a result lose his job, livelihood and reputation -amidst routine gleeful tabloid newspaper sensationalism.

    Beyond that, by 1978 the writing was on the wall. First, in what many believe to have been direct, undebated government response to the revolution upheaval of Iran returning to a medieval Islamic theocracy after it's most settled and prosperous period under a civilised, educated, western-looking Shah, the "educated", exiled Iranians, Iraquis and Egyptians arrived in Britain througout the 1980's in huge numbers - to fill high-paid vacancies in laboratories, science-based companies and research organisations which had barely been advertised to indigenous White British people. By this time, middle-east Moslem immigration was only the latest and most disturbing manifestation of the seemingly-endless flood to Britain of the throng of all nations, for in the meantime, in addition to Libyans, Algerians and thousands more West Indians every year, there had been, in short order, every year tens of thousands of Nigerians, Kenyans, Zimbabweans, and eventually Ugandans, whose own national trauma under the blood-soaked cannibal maniac Idi Amin had resulted in the British government immediately and generously agreeing to receive upwards of 60,000 "Ugandan Asians" expelled by racist Amin - these without any substantial working skills, Passports or even in many cases provable identification.

    What happened under the race traitors and war criminals Blair, Brown and Campbell after the long-awaited Labour election victory of 1997 is now itself history. From a peacock-posturing victory celebration over the hated Tories, the Jewish-funded, Jewish-controlled champagne socialist scum Tony Blair and his old-school Labour party cronies newly in government moved quickly to a proven private policy decison to "rub the noses of the Right in Diversity" - by importing hundreds of thousands more immigrants to join the millions since 1950. This was also a deliberate and well-calculated snub to a whole raft of their own helpless British people - now reeling under the effects of a broken society which had undergone massive and irreversible social change in two generations. The race traitors of the "New Labour" party government perceived ordinary White people to be snobbish, "bourgeois", middle-class - and simply, in their own lands, far too "White". By the time anyone realised that the post-2000 flood of Moslems was, not the few hundred thousand the Labour scum had sniggered about but well over 5 million in ten years - legal and illegal, and most of them from the very worst and most dangerous corners of ruined Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya, no one even in the dispirited, opposing Conservative party had anything to offer by way of remedy. Much less could the British people exercise power - that had long since been removed from them by force.

    Put the blame where it truly belongs - and don't forget through all of this the hidden hand of malevolent, ruthless, murderous White-hating racist power behind all of these passing scenes. One day the veil will fall at last.

    Everything which has taken place from 1950 onwards, when the first Blacks from the West Indies began to arrive – as we were told, to “help re-build” after the war

    Duped again, yet “we” never learn.

    “We” still think “we” won de war!

    Amazing.

    By the time Enoch Powell – a deeply brave, plain-speaking and wonderfully stubborn Member of Parliament from the ignored English Midlands made his now-infamous “rivers of blood” speech in 1968, setting out as clear as crystal what awaited a nation and people whose communities, culture, way of life and physical territory was being usurped at high speed by a race of outsiders…

    Funny how Hitler was condemned, demonized and destroyed for expressing similar ideas.

    From Powell’s speech, and this is a huge flaw in political systems.

    By the same token, they attract little attention in comparison with current troubles,
    which are both indisputable and pressing: whence the besetting temptation of all politics to
    concern itself with the immediate present at the expense of the future.

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    • Replies: @reiner Tor

    Hitler was condemned, demonized and destroyed for expressing similar ideas.
     
    Hitler didn't merely express those ideas. He endorsed them, for Germans to invade and usurp the territories of other peoples, especially those of Slavs, and he started a war to achieve that: perhaps the bloodiest conflict in human memory, at least in absolute numbers.
  32. @Eagle Eye

    Brendan Cox, whose wife, Jo Cox, a member of Parliament, was shot and killed [last year] by a right-wing extremist, urged the country to fight hateful ideology against Muslims, just as much as it was fighting Islamist militancy.
     
    The official story of the murder of St. Jo seems far too neat and far too convenient to be other than a criminal fabrication. (Yes, a "conspiracy.")

    Consider the actual outcome:

    (1) A somewhat unstable and activist Labour MP is dead.

    (2) The death is blamed - FINALLY! - an a "right wing extremist" white male without even the most remote organizational contacts to known nationalist groups.

    (3) Grieving spouse Brendan Cox - a long-time political operator - becomes a minor celebrity and after a decent interval will no doubt "move on" to a younger and less activist model.

    "Conspiracy theory" (in the famous CIA-coined phrase)? Perhaps. But conspiracies happen.

    Brits perhaps lack an American's Fifth Sense for stories of sole assassins who conveniently turn out to be mentally deranged and/or themselves meet a violent end before they have a chance to spill the beans. (INVESTMENT TIP: Short the stock of whichever life insurance company that issued a policy on the life of the convicted alleged assassin, one Thomas Mair.)

    OFFICIAL STORY: The official version is that Helen Joanne "Jo" Cox was murdered by a 52 year-old man.

    The assassin "had a history of psychiatric problems" but bizarrely was nonetheless found guilty in a criminal trial (rather than acquitted by reasons of insanity) and conveniently sentenced to a "whole-life tariff."

    Any decent defense attorney would have used this background to secure acquittal by reason of insanity, perhaps with commitment to a mental hospital.

    Closer investigation on the ground would no doubt uncover a few more strange anomalies and discrepancies.

    I completely agree with Eagle Eye on the Thomas Mair case.

    The guy had certified mental health issues yet his attorney did not even plead manslaughter through diminished responsibility. Any half beat attorney pleads this (even for example in the recent case of a Welsh man killing his mistress claiming manslaughter on account of Asperger’s Syndrome)

    A few other anomalies. The police said the gun used had been stolen in the previous year but offered no evidence on how it had come into Mair’s possession. Since Mair hardly ever went out, it hardly seems likely he managed to buy it in a pub or through a criminal syndicate. He was supposed to be racist but never touched Cox’s Asian friend who was trying to fend him off with a handbag.

    Another anomaly. Of course Mair’s internet usage on his home computer and the one he supposedly used in the public library showed the usual things associated with a right-wing extremist, visits to a few gun sites, white supremacist sites etc. Nobody seemed to think it odd i) why he needed to go to the public library at all ii) why he did not delete the web histories and/or go incognito iii) what his web history was prior to more than just a few days before the killing.

    Yet another anomaly. He had the requisite books on Nazi history/ regalia / weapons in his house but no evidence I believe was presented as to when and where they had been bought or if they had been read.

    Of course the clincher was the fact that virtually less than 2 hours after the killing, it was revealed by an American civil rights group that Mr Mair had bought one or more combat magazines about South African white supremacist groups on the internet 17 years before. The internet was barely being used by most people 17 years ago never mind for internet shopping! Could anybody find an internet receipt for anything they had bought more than 4 years ago?

    Usually in a trial we find out background about the alleged criminal which throws light on how and why he might have carried out the alleged crime. However in the case of Mair we found out nothing – not how much money he had, how he shopped, who his friends (if any) were.

    My strong suspicion was that the Deep State recruited him as a sleeper patsy agent many years ago who they activated in the closing steps of the Referendum when it looked like Leave were edging ahead. Everything including his bizarre comments at his committal proceedings, his refusal to give evidence or even talk to his attorney and then his desire to make a statement after sentencing, only suggests someone not only mentally ill but operating under instructions.

    Jo Cox was a suitably saintly but inconsequential figure to play the victim role. The less said about her husband who should have been asking all of the above questions, the better.

    When will the British public wake up?

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    • Replies: @Eagle Eye
    Thanks for the careful and detailed exposition.

    The idea that an individual with clinically confirmed mental issues simply goes out and purchases a gun in a country where possession and sale of guns is illegal is at least highly suspicious.

    British gun laws were drastically tightened after the convenient "Dunblane school massacre" in 1996. That incident also involved a mentally challenged individual and after barely a "decent interval" was seized on as an excuse to disarm the few British citizens still in possession of guns.

    A few weeks later, the show opened "successfully" in Tasmania, Australia where it was equally exploited to disarm the formerly rugged but now Scandinavianized Australians.

    Asking ANOTHER QUESTION sometimes helps bring otherwise inexplicable events into focus, just as looking AWAY from a faint star enables the eye to see it.

    For example, rather than asking the obvious question - e.g. who murdered JFK? - it is sometimes more illuminating to look into a seemingly minor but more manageable aspect of a case.

    For example, one might profitably ponder the question "Who was really behind the murder of Lee Harvey Oswald?" Few people are aware of that Oswald had been entrusted by the CIA with the crucial job of radio operator supporting U-2 pilot Gary Powers. (Powers himself confirmed this in a book. Powers worked as a helicopter pilot doing traffic watch programs for a TV station. Powers died in a crash shortly before he was to testify.)

  33. @Dave Bowman

    Britain never needed Muslims and it was criminally foolish of the Brits to allow Muslim settlement in such numbers
     
    (Sigh) Must we go through this tedious nonsense yet again...? Yes, we must.

    At NO time EVER in the past 60 years has ANY British person ever been ALLOWED or PERMITTED - let alone asked, requested, cajoled or persuaded - to give his/her opinion on the prima facie destruction of his country by mass displacement-level third-world Moslem immigration. Everything which has taken place from 1950 onwards, when the first Blacks from the West Indies began to arrive - as we were told, to "help re-build" after the war, and without fanfare or any form of formal public anouncement or discussion - the British people were increasingly confused, anxious and unhappy as to how exactly such levels of foreign immigration were taking place out of a blue sky, without the slightest mention of such things in the mother of Parliaments. It's important to remember that at that time, certainly in Britain, people actually TRUSTED their government representatives to look after them, and their nation. Shock horror. For a very long time - far, far too long in hindsight - nothing was said by the people - and nothing was discussed, and certainly not changed, by their "elected representatives".

    This was bad enough, but once the first waves of Moslems - from Pakistan of all places, the dirtiest possible man of the dirty Islamic world - began to arrive in large numbers in the 1960's and 1970's - and, despite their immigrant "pennilessness", to buy up corner shops, newsagents, small inner-city trades and stalls of every description - the rot, for many highly-intelligent, far-seeing and anxious but still mostly silent ordinary British people had already begun to set in. Pakistani "businesses" everywhere - many of them little more than bazaar stalls straight from the stinking rubbish-filled streets of Karachi and Lahore - quickly became a byword amongst White British people,for dishonesty, change-fiddling and petty theft. White people avoided them accordingly - and were labelled "racists" in response by the ruling liberal class of race traitors who had facilitated their discomfort. Soon the first "educated" Moslems, mostly Doctors and almost all Pakistanis, though some Indians also, had begun to arrive - and inexplicably moved straight into hundreds of quiet, friendly, old-fashioned suburban Doctor's Practices as well as clinics and larger Hospitals. There, a whole generation of older, timid, often half-deaf British Pensioners who had never met a foreigner in their lives before routinely left their medical appointments in tears of confusion and anguish - as despite their pain, distress and worry they had not been able to understand a word their new "Doctor" had mumbled to them through his completely inadequate "educated" English and impenetrable Pakistani accent. Nor had they been able to arrange, very often, the treatment or medication they sorely needed. No White British person of that time - myself included though I was only a child - has forgotten nor will ever forgive those shameful, immoral, day-to-day humiliations of ordinary decent British people - in their own land and previously tight-knit, happy communities.

    By the time Enoch Powell - a deeply brave, plain-speaking and wonderfully stubborn Member of Parliament from the ignored English Midlands made his now-infamous "rivers of blood" speech in 1968, setting out as clear as crystal what awaited a nation and people whose communities, culture, way of life and physical territory was being usurped at high speed by a race of outsiders with whom we had nothing whatever in common - and who, worse still, plainly despised the nation and the culture to which THEY had chosen to emigrate - many British White people sensed that it was already too late to reverse, or even block, the rot. And still, from Parliament - Nothing. Not a jot of an explanation as to exactly how or why, despite 4-yearly General Elections and routinely-changing political administrations with opposite economic and social goals, mass displacement-level, overwhelmingly Moslem immigration simply carried on - undebated, un-voted, and unchanged. The hated, despised - and of course rushed, substantially un-debated - Race Relations Act of 1974 fulfilled it's primary design purpose also, in ensuring that any White person who so much as commented publicly on the countless obvious drawbacks, downsides and problems with mass immigrant presence would be promptly hauled before a court of law for "race hatred", and almost certainly as a result lose his job, livelihood and reputation -amidst routine gleeful tabloid newspaper sensationalism.

    Beyond that, by 1978 the writing was on the wall. First, in what many believe to have been direct, undebated government response to the revolution upheaval of Iran returning to a medieval Islamic theocracy after it's most settled and prosperous period under a civilised, educated, western-looking Shah, the "educated", exiled Iranians, Iraquis and Egyptians arrived in Britain througout the 1980's in huge numbers - to fill high-paid vacancies in laboratories, science-based companies and research organisations which had barely been advertised to indigenous White British people. By this time, middle-east Moslem immigration was only the latest and most disturbing manifestation of the seemingly-endless flood to Britain of the throng of all nations, for in the meantime, in addition to Libyans, Algerians and thousands more West Indians every year, there had been, in short order, every year tens of thousands of Nigerians, Kenyans, Zimbabweans, and eventually Ugandans, whose own national trauma under the blood-soaked cannibal maniac Idi Amin had resulted in the British government immediately and generously agreeing to receive upwards of 60,000 "Ugandan Asians" expelled by racist Amin - these without any substantial working skills, Passports or even in many cases provable identification.

    What happened under the race traitors and war criminals Blair, Brown and Campbell after the long-awaited Labour election victory of 1997 is now itself history. From a peacock-posturing victory celebration over the hated Tories, the Jewish-funded, Jewish-controlled champagne socialist scum Tony Blair and his old-school Labour party cronies newly in government moved quickly to a proven private policy decison to "rub the noses of the Right in Diversity" - by importing hundreds of thousands more immigrants to join the millions since 1950. This was also a deliberate and well-calculated snub to a whole raft of their own helpless British people - now reeling under the effects of a broken society which had undergone massive and irreversible social change in two generations. The race traitors of the "New Labour" party government perceived ordinary White people to be snobbish, "bourgeois", middle-class - and simply, in their own lands, far too "White". By the time anyone realised that the post-2000 flood of Moslems was, not the few hundred thousand the Labour scum had sniggered about but well over 5 million in ten years - legal and illegal, and most of them from the very worst and most dangerous corners of ruined Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya, no one even in the dispirited, opposing Conservative party had anything to offer by way of remedy. Much less could the British people exercise power - that had long since been removed from them by force.

    Put the blame where it truly belongs - and don't forget through all of this the hidden hand of malevolent, ruthless, murderous White-hating racist power behind all of these passing scenes. One day the veil will fall at last.

    Not to worry. All those whites will go to heaven when they die. It’s guaranteed by the salesmen for the crucified (((savior))). The real power behind the scene has been around for a very long time.

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  34. Neuday says:
    @Barnard
    I think Derb's larger point is correct though, there is no natural way for the country to divide today. The Southern Alt-Right people at Occidental Dissent and other sites who think they are going to reclaim the South don't seem to have any understanding how small a minority they are in their own states. If it came time to actually secede and the residents of Alabama or Tennessee were told what that meant for them financially, the percentage of those who would support it would be in the low to mid single digits. The only way I see something happening in the United States is after a total financial meltdown, people would need to feel like they had nothing left to lose.

    The only way I see something happening in the United States is after a total financial meltdown, people would need to feel like they had nothing left to lose.

    Yeah, and what are the odds of THAT happening?

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  35. @englishmike

    “Moral Equivalence”….What the fuck does this even mean?…Answer:it’s an analytically meaningless expression…
     
    Courtesy of Wikipedia:

    Moral equivalence is a term used in political debate, usually to criticize any denial that a moral hierarchy can be assessed of two sides in a conflict, or in the actions or tactics of two sides. The term has some limited currency in polemic debates about the Cold War, and more currently, the Arab–Israeli conflict. "Moral equivalence" began to be used as a polemic term-of-retort to "moral relativism", which had been gaining use as an indictment against political foreign policy that appeared to use only a situation-based application of widely held ethical standards.
     
    They can also define a "tautology" for you.

    Dear englishturd

    Perhaps you shouldn’t use Wikipedia as an oracle to all the questions in life. Perhaps one day you can learn how to think for yourself.

    “moral equivalence” is a term that has lots of propaganda value…It’s a debating trick used by debaters…But the expression contains no serious analytical value.

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    • Replies: @englishmike
    Dear fellow commenter.
    You inquired as to the meaning of a meaningless expression.
    I don't use the expression myself; but I looked it up and shared Wikipedia's explanation with you.
    You're welcome.
    Mike.

    PS. I was also mildly sarcastic about your tautology. That was discourteous. I apologise.
    , @animalogic
    "Moral equivalence" has some use IF it is accepted only as a "rough guide". Naturally, no two actions can be EXACTLY the same (no two snow flakes are exactly the same etc etc)
    The danger is, if there is NO moral equivalency, then the road is wide open for moral relativism or (worse) moral subjectivity. Ethics demands that actions can be compared & contrasted: this implies that moral actions MAY be similar if not "equivalent".
  36. dearieme says:
    @jilles dykstra
    Churchill in 1918 defended in parliament his use of poison gas in Damascus.
    The same Churchill in 1898 glorified a British genocide in what now is N Afghanistan.
    Western terror against Muslims has a long history.
    This terror has two effects:
    - Muslims hate us
    - they have no other option but fleeing towards enemy territory.
    Of course world leaders know this
    http://www.achgut.com/artikel/anmerkungen_eines_nicht_hilfreichen
    Sarrazin ends with the question if Merkel's immigration policy has other goals than German goals.
    Is it possible that Muslims and christians exterminating each other is the objective ?

    “Churchill in 1918 defended in parliament his use of poison gas in Damascus.”

    But in 1918 Churchill was Minister of Munitions, supervising the munitions factories. I’m surprised he’d time to nip out to the Middle East and be an amateur general. I suspect you’re talking bollocks.

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    It seems Churchill was referring to tear gas re the Arabs, but was okay with mustard gas against the Germans.

    Winston Churchill's Secret Poison Gas Memo

    Winston S. Churchill: departmental minute (Churchill papers: 16/16) 12 May 1919 War Office:


    I do not understand this squeamishness about the use of gas. We have definitely adopted the position at the Peace Conference of arguing in favour of the retention of gas as a permanent method of warfare. It is sheer affectation to lacerate a man with the poisonous fragment of a bursting shell and to boggle at making his eyes water by means of lachrymatory gas.

    I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes. The moral effect should be so good that the loss of life should be reduced to a minimum. It is not necessary to use only the most deadly gasses: gasses can be used which cause great inconvenience and would spread a lively terror and yet would leave no serious permanent effects on most of those affected.
     

    from Companion Volume 4, Part 1 of the official biography, WINSTON S. CHURCHILL, by Martin Gilbert (London: Heinemann, 1976)
  37. KenH says:

    Poland is trying hard to remain Polish.

    Poland protects its people be not admitting any Muslims. I’ve talked to people who’ve traveled there for business and they love going there since the people are friendly and there’s almost no third world presence, so Poland is virtually free of “no go” areas that plague Western Europe. People remark how safe and white it is (the two do go hand in hand).

    Add Hungary, Czechoslovakia and possibly Austria to the list of nations who protect their people and choose life over death by Islam and multiculturalism. But will it last and will the (((Soros))) brigade try to identity and groom the Merkels, Mays and Macrons in each of those nation so they, too, eventually become Muslim safe spaces?

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    Add Hungary, Czechoslovakia and possibly Austria to the list of nations who protect their people
     
    Apparently, Bulgaria is trying to do that. During the peak of the migration crisis, the illegals avoided the Turkey to Bulgaria land route, preferring to cross by sea to Greece because the word got out that Bulgarians frequently beat up the illegal immigrants.
    , @anonymous
    Ah sunny Africa:

    At least 19 killed in hotel attack in Somali capital
    June 15, 2017 12:20pm UTC

    By Feisal Omar; REUTERS/Stringer

    MOGADISHU (Reuters) - At least 19 people were killed when Islamist militants launched a car bomb and gun attack on a busy hotel and adjacent restaurant in the Somali capital, a police officer said on Thursday.

    In a separate incident later in the day, at least two soldiers were killed when a roadside bomb, planted by the Islamist militant group al Shabaab, struck a car carrying government troops in Central Shabelle outside of the capital, the military said.

    In the Wednesday evening attack, a car driven by a suicide bomber rammed into the Posh Hotel in south Mogadishu before gunmen rushed into Pizza House, an adjacent restaurant, and took 20 people hostage. Posh Hotel is the only venue with a discotheque in the capital.

    District police chief Abdi Bashir told Reuters Somali security forces took back control of the restaurant at midnight after the gunmen had held hostages inside for several hours. Five of the gunmen were killed, Bashir said.

    "We are in control of the hotel but it was mostly destroyed by the suicide bomber," he told Reuters by phone.

    Witnesses said there were bodies lying at the scene on Thursday morning as ambulances came to take them away.

    Ahmed Mohamud Adow, the spokesman for the country's interior ministry, said the dead included a Syrian national who worked at the restaurant. He did not identify the dead Syrian who local residents said worked as a chef at the Pizza House.

    Another 27 civilians were taken to hospital with various injuries, ambulance services said. Witnesses said the attack was launched after the Iftar dinner for customers who are fasting for Ramadan. Most of them were still inside relaxing.

    The wreckage of three-wheeled scooters caught up in the blast at the hotel, which also housed a massage parlour, lay overturned around the scene.

    Al Shabaab claimed responsibility for the attack. The group claimed on Thursday morning it killed more than 20 people including soldiers and government workers.

    Al Shabaab usually provides a higher death toll from its attacks than the government's figures.

    The group has carried out a campaign of suicide bombings in its bid to topple the Somali government and impose its strict interpretation of Islam.

    The Horn of Africa country has been racked by armed conflict since 1991, when clan-based warlords overthrew dictator Siad Barre and then turned on each other.

    President Mohamed Abdullahi Mohamed, who was elected into office earlier this year, promised to defeat al Shabaab.

    (Writing by Duncan Miriri; Editing by Ralph Boulton and Pritha Sarkar)
     
  38. I am glad John that you are wrong on one detail. It is not true that there is no English speaking country not afflicted by mass third world immigration. Certainly Australia’s immigration is not “mass Third World” apart from foolish small gestures at pious refugee policy which has allowed in enough Somalis and Sudanese to provide inoculation against the true immigration idiocy virus. We have a very big service industry (occasionally) teaching and often ripping off Indian and Chinese students. Many stay on. The only anomaly that comes to mind is that our schools don’t seem to have been doing very well in PISA tests in recent years though I can’t be sure that it is not to do with some kind of Flynn Effect in other countries’ schools. Of course Australia might be suffering a delayed effect from the 40s to 60s’ Ten Pound Poms though the particular scourge of the Scottish Shop Steward wss manifested more politically than in obvious dysgenics.

    While I would be willing to sponsor you as my butler with some peculiar talent** I can’t say I would lift a finger to let in the English working or lower middle class today.
    ** I have in mind improvised Ogden Nash ditties in two languages between each of the 12 courses for my Chinese guests.

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  39. vinteuil says:
    @fnn
    Tucker Carlson must have some Welsh blood, he went out of his way to slam the Chicoms:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3cy6z82bgQ&ab

    This is something I just can never get. We are constantly being told about the high IQ’s of the Chinese – yet they seem to be among the most superstitious & insanely cruel people on Earth. They torture poor little dogs to death, believing, on no grounds whatsoever, that the more the dogs suffer, the better the meat will taste. (As if the better taste would justify the cruelty!) They hunt African rhino’s to extinction because of absurd beliefs about the aphrodisiac properties of their horns. And so on and so forth.

    Three or four years ago, I accompanied my elderly mother on a trip to China. One stop was at a fish market. I stopped at a booth where a guy was stripping the scales off a fish, as it struggled to escape. It slipped away, a couple of times, but he retrieved it, and continued stripping away the scales – without killing it. He saw me watching – and laughed and laughed – apparently thinking that I would share in his amusement.

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  40. @KenH

    Poland is trying hard to remain Polish.
     
    Poland protects its people be not admitting any Muslims. I've talked to people who've traveled there for business and they love going there since the people are friendly and there's almost no third world presence, so Poland is virtually free of "no go" areas that plague Western Europe. People remark how safe and white it is (the two do go hand in hand).

    Add Hungary, Czechoslovakia and possibly Austria to the list of nations who protect their people and choose life over death by Islam and multiculturalism. But will it last and will the (((Soros))) brigade try to identity and groom the Merkels, Mays and Macrons in each of those nation so they, too, eventually become Muslim safe spaces?

    Add Hungary, Czechoslovakia and possibly Austria to the list of nations who protect their people

    Apparently, Bulgaria is trying to do that. During the peak of the migration crisis, the illegals avoided the Turkey to Bulgaria land route, preferring to cross by sea to Greece because the word got out that Bulgarians frequently beat up the illegal immigrants.

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  41. Agent76 says:

    If only more folk’s only knew their government’s are not their friend or helper in any shape matter or form.

    Nov 16, 2015 What Happened Just Before the Paris Attacks

    If there would have been a meeting to devise a strategy for a false flag terror attack in Paris as part of a grand plan to keep the Western countries in line fighting a proxy war against Russia in Syria, it would’ve looked something like…

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    Love the comments starting at 3:53.

    "How can anyone ever buy their bullshit?"

    Centuries of bullshit, yet people continue to believe...

    , @Wizard of Oz
    How dare you waste people's time with a video 99 per cent of whose visual content doesn't add anything to to an evidence free trant by a male and a female voice with no claim to authority? I resent that imposition. What value can you claim to have added by this emptyheaded way of attempting to make up for the deficiencies of your own output?
  42. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    US Army gave arms and equipment to Islamic State under Obama

    Amnesty International has confirmed that the US Army gave ISIS $1 billion worth of arms and equipment in Iraq during President Obama’s final year in office, according to a report. The data was obtained by the human rights group following a freedom of information request for a 2016 government audit.

    “This audit provides a worrying insight into the US Army’s flawed — and potentially dangerous system for controlling millions of dollars’ worth of arms transfers to a hugely volatile region,” Patrick Wilcken, Amnesty’s researcher on international arms control, said in a statement. “It makes for especially sobering reading given the long history of leakage of US arms to multiple armed groups committing atrocities in Iraq, including the armed group calling itself the Islamic State.”

    In 2015, the US gave $1.57 billion worth of equipment to Iraq to help them fight ISIS through the Iraq Train and Equip Fund. Now it has been revealed they also funded the enemy, providing them with weapons.

    Tens of thousands of assault rifles, hundreds of mortar rounds and armored Humvees were among the equipment given to ISIS in Iraq, Amnesty said. According to Amnesty, the US army’s lack of control over its weapons was also exposed in a 2015 audit.

    http://www.neonnettle.com/news/2211-amnesty-international-confirms-us-gave-isis-1-billion-of-weapons-in-2016

    And this continues under Herr Trump and ‘Mad Dog’ Mattis. The USA has been arming, paying, transporting, training, providing air support and political cover to these thugs for at least a decade, so any ‘terror’ attacks can be traced back to the USA, Israel, Saudi Arabia and England.

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  43. Talk, talk, talk.

    Did Algerians and Vietnamese gain independence just by talking?

    If talk doesn’t lead to walk, it’s just BS.

    Likewise, if Zionism had remained only in the realm of talk, Israel never would have been.

    If Founding Fathers only talked, there never would have been Independence.

    And one thing for sure, what began as anti-white talk is now turning into anti-white walk.

    Monuments are removed and whites are attacked in the streets.

    Jews cheer the punching of Spencer and urge more.

    Media hardly condemn physical attack on Charles Murray.

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  44. whoever says: • Website
    @dearieme
    "Churchill in 1918 defended in parliament his use of poison gas in Damascus."

    But in 1918 Churchill was Minister of Munitions, supervising the munitions factories. I'm surprised he'd time to nip out to the Middle East and be an amateur general. I suspect you're talking bollocks.

    It seems Churchill was referring to tear gas re the Arabs, but was okay with mustard gas against the Germans.

    Winston Churchill’s Secret Poison Gas Memo

    Winston S. Churchill: departmental minute (Churchill papers: 16/16) 12 May 1919 War Office:

    I do not understand this squeamishness about the use of gas. We have definitely adopted the position at the Peace Conference of arguing in favour of the retention of gas as a permanent method of warfare. It is sheer affectation to lacerate a man with the poisonous fragment of a bursting shell and to boggle at making his eyes water by means of lachrymatory gas.

    I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes. The moral effect should be so good that the loss of life should be reduced to a minimum. It is not necessary to use only the most deadly gasses: gasses can be used which cause great inconvenience and would spread a lively terror and yet would leave no serious permanent effects on most of those affected.

    from Companion Volume 4, Part 1 of the official biography, WINSTON S. CHURCHILL, by Martin Gilbert (London: Heinemann, 1976)

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    Thanks, so it wasn't 1918 and it was only tear gas. Your link says that it wasn't Damascus either. So the original post wasn't too hot, was it?

    As for mustard gas against the Germans in WWI, it's a classic case of "they started it". Do you expect their enemies not to reply in kind? Heavens, in WWII the Americans transported mustard gas around in case they needed it for retaliation.

  45. @englishmike

    ...a political union of all three North America countries, a scheme quite like that of the no-passport free-travel EU Schengen states, and, worse, perhaps even including Central, South American, and Caribbean states.
     
    No doubt you remember the remarks "wikileaked" from Hillary's secret speech to a minor European bank:

    “My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, some time in the future with energy that is as green and sustainable as we can get it, powering growth and opportunity for every person in the hemisphere.” [05162013 Remarks to Banco Itau.doc, p. 28]
     
    As Breitbart reported at the time of the leak:

    Clinton also denounced the idea of putting up barriers to global trade, a statement which will likely raise concerns with grassroots and working-class voters in her own party. “We have to resist protectionism, other kinds of barriers to market access and to trade,” Clinton said.

    Even though it has gone virtually unreported by corporate media, Breitbart News has extensively documented the Clintons’ longstanding support for “open borders.” Interestingly, as the Los Angeles Times observed in 2007, the Clinton’s praise for globalization and open borders frequently comes when they are speaking before a wealthy foreign audiences and donors.

    In July 2007, Bill Clinton praised the benefits of “open borders” and “easy immigration” while delivering the keynote address at the 16th Telugu Association of North America (TANA) conference in Washington D.C. to a crowd of thousands of Indian Americans. 

    As the Los Angeles Times reported at the time, Clinton “drew applause at a conference of 14,000 Indian Americans in Washington as he extolled the benefits of ‘open borders, easy travel, easy immigration.’” It went on to report, “The same day, he headlined a fundraiser at the conference for his wife’s [failed 2008 presidential] campaign.”

    In a 2003 speech delivered to Yale University, Bill Clinton called for the establishment of a “global community,” praised the “openness of our borders to immigrants,” and declared that America “has great obligations to open our borders.” Clinton said that he believes the formation of a “genuine global community”—complete with an “over-arching system” to regulate it—to be “the great mission of the 21st century.”
     
    This material comes from Hillary: ‘My Dream Is a Hemispheric Common Market with Open Trade and Open Borders’October 7, 2016 at conservativeread.com

    They also quoted the opinion of Jeff Sessions:

    “For the first time in a long time, this November will give Americans a clear choice on perhaps the most important issue facing our country and our civilization: whether we remain a nation-state that serves its own people, or whether we slide irrevocably toward a soulless globalism that treats humans as interchangeable widgets in the world market.”

     

    My dear englishmike, your reply fleshes out my having written “what the $ellout E$tabli$hment really desires and has shown that it’s aiming to impose*.” In this the Bush family and many others of both political parties, besides Hillary Clinton herself, are manifestly, avowedly complicit; and the same is true of the $ellout E$tabli$hment in the United Kingdom and western Europe, the latter including, and especially, in Sweden.

    [Italics not in my original comment No. 20, applied here above for emphasis.]

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  46. @Agent76
    If only more folk's only knew their government's are not their friend or helper in any shape matter or form.

    Nov 16, 2015 What Happened Just Before the Paris Attacks

    If there would have been a meeting to devise a strategy for a false flag terror attack in Paris as part of a grand plan to keep the Western countries in line fighting a proxy war against Russia in Syria, it would've looked something like...

    https://youtu.be/HM3A_-PRJ5o

    Love the comments starting at 3:53.

    “How can anyone ever buy their bullshit?”

    Centuries of bullshit, yet people continue to believe…

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    Jacques Sheete this quote nails the issue, "The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the people versus the banks." Lord Acton
  47. @Diversity Heretic
    Agreed, the geography of any U.S. dissolution/secession/partition is agonizing. And the first southern secession failed spectacularly. But don't overlook the possibility of a Republica del Norte in the southwest in a couple of generations.

    But don’t overlook the possibility of a Republica del Norte in the southwest in a couple of generations.

    There’s been a de facto Republik of the Western Hemisphere ever since the imposition of the Monroe Doctrine. I doubt that the rich owners of the entity ever even needed passports as they shuttle back and forth freely in their yachts and jets.

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  48. Agent76 says:
    @jacques sheete
    Love the comments starting at 3:53.

    "How can anyone ever buy their bullshit?"

    Centuries of bullshit, yet people continue to believe...

    Jacques Sheete this quote nails the issue, “The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the people versus the banks.” Lord Acton

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    “The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the people versus the banks.” Lord Acton
     
    It sure does and it's an age-old issue. It amazes me how difficult it is to get people to understand that concept.
  49. @Jus' Sayin'...
    When discussing deaths from Islamic terrorism in Europe and the USA, it's worth remembering that Steve Sailer's mnemonic triad of insane US policies begins with "invade the world". Every week that brings a score or so of terrorist deaths in Europe and the USA sees hundreds and more probably thousands of deaths in North Africa, the Levant and the Middle East as a direct result of US policies.

    Many of these deaths result from direct military action by the US or its allies although the victims are all too often civilian men, women and children. A large proportion, perhaps a majority, are deaths from disease and starvation as a result of destroyed infrastructure and US "sanctions". These "sanctions" deny innocent civilians the most basic necessities of life and often doom them to suffering and gruesome deaths from starvation and untreated disease.

    Perhaps if the USA and its allies stopped prosecuting their criminal aggression against this part of the world the understandable impulse to strike back in any way possible that seems to animate Islamic terrorists might dissipate. If their homelands once again became the relatively calm and comfortable places they were before US aggression perhaps a large part of the populations from which these terrorists are drawn might even return to the homelands from which they've they've been driven.

    Of course all this is a pipe dream as long as Israel's Zionist fifth column within the USA effectively dictates US military and foreign policy.

    There are many instances of violent acts by Muslims that have nothing to do with the U.S. or its allies. The shooting of Malala, the assassination of Benazir Bhutto, the many thousands of leftists murdered in Iran beginning in 1979, the massacre of the Charlie Hebdo cartoonists, the massacre in Orlando, etc. Adding in threats of violence, we can include the fatwa against Salman Rushdie. Add in destructive acts, we can include the destruction of the Buddhist statues in Afghanistan and the destruction of some ancient Islamic manuscripts in Timbuktu.

    All of these, together with those supposedly explained as revenge for what America is doing in the Middle East, are better explained by the rise over the past several decades of fundamentalist Islam, which strongly encourages its adherents to make war on the infidel (including those Muslims who are not perceived as true Muslims). If we left the Middle East alone, that would do nothing to help, say, the Sunni-Shi’ite split, nor would it help Christians and other religious minorities in the Muslim world.

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  50. Capn Mike says:
    @Jus' Sayin'...
    A new political division of the current USA after some type of civil war is easier to imagine if one does three things: (1) looks at a county level map of results in the past presidential election; (2) remembers that sprawling nation-states are not the only plausible political entities; (3) considers the possibility of semi-independent city-states like the multitude that existed within the Holy Roman Empire and even early modern nation-states like France and the UK. In fact, many of the United States' current problems could be solved if a new constitution were written recognizing that each of the urban agglomerations -- comprising about 200+ counties in all -- that went Democrat in the last election are distinct political entities and doing the same for the agglomerations of counties -- about 3000 in all -- that went Republican. All these agglomerations could be given new levels of internal and external autonomy and a new system of relating politically to all other such agglomerations. The deal wold be difficult but not impossible and far fairer and less restrictive than the federal system we have today. BTW, please note that I am not suggesting the Democrat cities should have the status accorded states in our current system.

    Pretty close there. BUT the aggregation of all those red counties puts us right back in the frying pan. Split those into small pieces as well. Think of Swiss cantons for example.
    You may want to investigate Hans Hoppe’s excellent work in this area. maybe you already have, you sound bright).

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    I apologize for my lack of clarity. With a few exceptions, red counties could be aggregated back into the fifty states they once were minus the blue bits. This would be a first approximation if such a thing were to occur. I expect that there would then be a lot of fine tuning.
  51. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @KenH

    Poland is trying hard to remain Polish.
     
    Poland protects its people be not admitting any Muslims. I've talked to people who've traveled there for business and they love going there since the people are friendly and there's almost no third world presence, so Poland is virtually free of "no go" areas that plague Western Europe. People remark how safe and white it is (the two do go hand in hand).

    Add Hungary, Czechoslovakia and possibly Austria to the list of nations who protect their people and choose life over death by Islam and multiculturalism. But will it last and will the (((Soros))) brigade try to identity and groom the Merkels, Mays and Macrons in each of those nation so they, too, eventually become Muslim safe spaces?

    Ah sunny Africa:

    [MORE]

    At least 19 killed in hotel attack in Somali capital
    June 15, 2017 12:20pm UTC

    By Feisal Omar; REUTERS/Stringer

    MOGADISHU (Reuters) – At least 19 people were killed when Islamist militants launched a car bomb and gun attack on a busy hotel and adjacent restaurant in the Somali capital, a police officer said on Thursday.

    In a separate incident later in the day, at least two soldiers were killed when a roadside bomb, planted by the Islamist militant group al Shabaab, struck a car carrying government troops in Central Shabelle outside of the capital, the military said.

    In the Wednesday evening attack, a car driven by a suicide bomber rammed into the Posh Hotel in south Mogadishu before gunmen rushed into Pizza House, an adjacent restaurant, and took 20 people hostage. Posh Hotel is the only venue with a discotheque in the capital.

    District police chief Abdi Bashir told Reuters Somali security forces took back control of the restaurant at midnight after the gunmen had held hostages inside for several hours. Five of the gunmen were killed, Bashir said.

    “We are in control of the hotel but it was mostly destroyed by the suicide bomber,” he told Reuters by phone.

    Witnesses said there were bodies lying at the scene on Thursday morning as ambulances came to take them away.

    Ahmed Mohamud Adow, the spokesman for the country’s interior ministry, said the dead included a Syrian national who worked at the restaurant. He did not identify the dead Syrian who local residents said worked as a chef at the Pizza House.

    Another 27 civilians were taken to hospital with various injuries, ambulance services said. Witnesses said the attack was launched after the Iftar dinner for customers who are fasting for Ramadan. Most of them were still inside relaxing.

    The wreckage of three-wheeled scooters caught up in the blast at the hotel, which also housed a massage parlour, lay overturned around the scene.

    Al Shabaab claimed responsibility for the attack. The group claimed on Thursday morning it killed more than 20 people including soldiers and government workers.

    Al Shabaab usually provides a higher death toll from its attacks than the government’s figures.

    The group has carried out a campaign of suicide bombings in its bid to topple the Somali government and impose its strict interpretation of Islam.

    The Horn of Africa country has been racked by armed conflict since 1991, when clan-based warlords overthrew dictator Siad Barre and then turned on each other.

    President Mohamed Abdullahi Mohamed, who was elected into office earlier this year, promised to defeat al Shabaab.

    (Writing by Duncan Miriri; Editing by Ralph Boulton and Pritha Sarkar)

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  52. @Agent76
    If only more folk's only knew their government's are not their friend or helper in any shape matter or form.

    Nov 16, 2015 What Happened Just Before the Paris Attacks

    If there would have been a meeting to devise a strategy for a false flag terror attack in Paris as part of a grand plan to keep the Western countries in line fighting a proxy war against Russia in Syria, it would've looked something like...

    https://youtu.be/HM3A_-PRJ5o

    How dare you waste people’s time with a video 99 per cent of whose visual content doesn’t add anything to to an evidence free trant by a male and a female voice with no claim to authority? I resent that imposition. What value can you claim to have added by this emptyheaded way of attempting to make up for the deficiencies of your own output?

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    "To belittle, you have to be little." Kahlil Gibran
  53. SMK says: • Website
    @War for Blair Mountain
    "Moral Equivalence"....What the fuck does this even mean?...Answer:it's an analytically meaningless expression...

    Actually, “moral equivalence” would be a salutary improvement. To the ruling-elites and governing-classes of the U.K. and also the U.S. and Canada and Western Europe, a women like Katie Hopkins is more execrable than Muslims preaching jihad and hatred of infidels and provoking and supporting and celebrating acts of terrorism. Rational and honest criticism of and contempt for Islam -a uniquely pernicious and hateful religion founded by a despicable warlord, terrorist, jihadist, misogynist (a real misogynist, as opposed to men -but only white men- who didn’t vote for Hillary Clinton), child rapist (a real child rapist -the youngest of the prophets many wives was 6 when they married and 9 when their sacred union was consummated- as opposed to women teachers who allow biological men under age 18 to penetrate them in factually consensual relationships)- is more execrable than the hatred of Muslims for infidels and acts of terrorism. Opposition to Muslim immigration is more execrable than the Muslim invasion of and ultimate destruction of the U.K., France, Germany, Sweden, Belgium, etc. “Islamophobia” is far worse than Muslim hatred, bigotry, misogyny, terrorism, etc.

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  54. dearieme says:
    @whoever
    It seems Churchill was referring to tear gas re the Arabs, but was okay with mustard gas against the Germans.

    Winston Churchill's Secret Poison Gas Memo

    Winston S. Churchill: departmental minute (Churchill papers: 16/16) 12 May 1919 War Office:


    I do not understand this squeamishness about the use of gas. We have definitely adopted the position at the Peace Conference of arguing in favour of the retention of gas as a permanent method of warfare. It is sheer affectation to lacerate a man with the poisonous fragment of a bursting shell and to boggle at making his eyes water by means of lachrymatory gas.

    I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes. The moral effect should be so good that the loss of life should be reduced to a minimum. It is not necessary to use only the most deadly gasses: gasses can be used which cause great inconvenience and would spread a lively terror and yet would leave no serious permanent effects on most of those affected.
     

    from Companion Volume 4, Part 1 of the official biography, WINSTON S. CHURCHILL, by Martin Gilbert (London: Heinemann, 1976)

    Thanks, so it wasn’t 1918 and it was only tear gas. Your link says that it wasn’t Damascus either. So the original post wasn’t too hot, was it?

    As for mustard gas against the Germans in WWI, it’s a classic case of “they started it”. Do you expect their enemies not to reply in kind? Heavens, in WWII the Americans transported mustard gas around in case they needed it for retaliation.

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    Apparently, the Mesopotamian gas usage was quite notorious at one time. Thomas Pynchon even uses it in Gravity's Rainbow. But it's largely faded from memory now.
    The artist Richard Carline produced some interesting sketches and paintings of British air operations in that theater.
    Incidentally, my reference to Churchill being okay with using mustard gas against Germans was referring to World War II, as in this quote from the document cited:
    "I should be prepared to do [underline] anything [stop underline] that would hit the enemy in a murderous place. I may certainly have to ask you to support me in using poison gas. We could drench the cities of the Ruhr and many other cities in Germany in such a way that most of the population would be requiring constant medical attention."
  55. “America never needed Europeans and it was criminally foolish of the natives to allow European settlement in such numbers”!

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    There was a brief period when the European settlers could have been pushed back into the sea, but that probably would not have lasted long with stories of massacres making it back to Madrid and London.
  56. http://www.historyvshollywood.com/reelfaces/a-united-kingdom/

    This movie says the fate of UK is ACOWW or Afro-Colonization of White Wombs

    Europe is Vagina and Womb; Africa is Penis and Balls.

    Junglo-Saxons are the future race of Britons.

    Yet, dummy ‘patriots’ are most worried about Muslims and Sharia.
    At least Muslims blow up pop concerts that promoting ACOWW.

    It is not some Muslims in cars that are conquering Europe.

    It is Negroes who gain ownership of white wombs. Via ACOWW, Afrobortion happens. A white-child-that-might-have-been is killed or Afroborted to produce a black child.

    All white kids came from white wombs. When white wombs are colonized by black men, white-kids-that-could-have-been are killed and replaced with black babies like Obama scumbag.

    But Great Cucktain now promote this as national value.

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  57. @Capn Mike
    Pretty close there. BUT the aggregation of all those red counties puts us right back in the frying pan. Split those into small pieces as well. Think of Swiss cantons for example.
    You may want to investigate Hans Hoppe's excellent work in this area. maybe you already have, you sound bright).

    I apologize for my lack of clarity. With a few exceptions, red counties could be aggregated back into the fifty states they once were minus the blue bits. This would be a first approximation if such a thing were to occur. I expect that there would then be a lot of fine tuning.

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    Gotcha.
    But I still think the red counties should downsize as well. 300+ million people (minus the Blues) ruled from a swamp in Virginia is not workable even WITHOUT the Dems. Break it up. See: Tenth Amendment Center.
  58. Capn Mike says:
    @Jus' Sayin'...
    I apologize for my lack of clarity. With a few exceptions, red counties could be aggregated back into the fifty states they once were minus the blue bits. This would be a first approximation if such a thing were to occur. I expect that there would then be a lot of fine tuning.

    Gotcha.
    But I still think the red counties should downsize as well. 300+ million people (minus the Blues) ruled from a swamp in Virginia is not workable even WITHOUT the Dems. Break it up. See: Tenth Amendment Center.

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  59. joe webb says:

    ‘Looking at the toll from our last Civil War, I hope to God we don’t have another one. For sure we don’t need one. What we need is sane immigration policies, that’s all.” Sanity gave way to Sentimentalism some time ago, like post-war, especially with Jewish subversion .

    The Western Individualist and Egalitarian/Christian combined altruism (genetically) and religion , as in Abolitionism aways back which can be symbolized by John Brown( and confessedly myself a few decades back) produced the Civil War. And that was when Negroes were probably ten points stupider than they are now but also probably, with less obvious criminality.

    There was probably no avoiding it.

    Same thing now. The John Browns amongst us need to be expelled and or otherwise treated as in wartime…concentration n camps, etc, or other expedients. The Negroes need to be resegregated and the Mexicans shipped South.

    A terrible Truth I suppose, but the historical civil war killed 6 or 7 hundred thousand white men in a country of about 25 million whites. Do the math for our time right now…Whites as in 63 % or so of 300 plus million.

    Triage Time. Save the West, Save the US Civilization of Whiteness.

    We are headed for more and worsening civil strife, street killings, etc. The cops cannot prevent it and Words cannot prevent it.

    Joe Webb

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    Shires just love killing, especially each other. Consider 60 million killed in the the two world wars, now trying to start a new war with Russia. . You guys are cray!
  60. joe webb says:

    The Left has always started the Revolutions. Just go back to 1920s with communist rebellions in Europe. That flipped Mussolini, and created Hitler, and the various quasi-fascist movements in Europe.

    Mussolini and Hitler led the counter-revolution, and dozens of more or less fascist outfits in Europe followed suit.

    Jewyork times reported a couple days ago in a column by Edsall, that contrary to the usual lie of liberals that economics is more important that race to Americans, the exact contrary is true. Will send it on. Joe Webb

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  61. joe webb says:

    Fw: NYTimes.com: The End of the Left and the Right as We Knew Them (Douthat again worth reading….race, the largest single factor in US voting, contrary to the usual lib position…)

    Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 10:44 PM
    Subject: Fw: NYTimes.com: The End of the Left and the Right as We Knew Them (Douthat again worth reading….race, the largest single factor in US voting, contrary to the usual lib position…)
    that it is economics that is #1.

    “Did Racial Bias Tip the Presidential Election?
    A national survey of voting-age Americans found that racial resentment, more than economic anxiety, influenced the presidential election. The survey period was both before and after the election; respondents’ average answers are shown here on a scale from zero to 100″. (TheUS election)

    THE The table did not print so you will have to read the article

    The concluding paragraph: “What we are seeing now is the replacement of class-based politics, a trend apparent in the United States and Europe. This gives us a more racialized and xenophobic politics, on one hand, and a politics capitalizing on increasing levels of education and open-mindedness in the electorate on the other. If the building of a viable left coalition is possible, it is likely to require some thoughtful and humane co-optation in the form of deference to our limits and boundaries.”

    To put it in other terms, racial attitudes are headed toward the boiling point among the people who have to live next to the interesting illegal and legal immigrants, about whom they were never asked if that it what they wanted, and, ‘increasing levels of [technical ] education’ which is the cash nexus, status, and ticket to the suburbs wherein one does not have to live next door to niggers and beaners, etc is the plain english translation here.

    Then ‘open mindedness’ is actually one of the qualifications for membership to the upper middle class. An Open Mind is largely an Empty Mind, particularly with regard to what it is like to live next door to niggers, et al, walk on the same streets and attend the same schools, etc, with the many varieties of wretched humanity now introduced, like bugs and snakes into the once pure White lands. These white suburbs expats, and raised by Dreamers with zero experience of the ghettos, truly have Empty minds except for Abstractions without a referent to actual reality…but with plenty of Peter Panism and Utopian fancies.

    Everything they have been taught is a melange of MLK, Holocaust, Black is Beautiful, Race Equality, yet almost zero history of communism, Jews, and White Accomplishment in general. Whiteness is bad and the rest of it. Dark is Good.

    So , the average smart white upper college bound student is a sink of Utopian sludge and self-hatred.

    The non-college folks have not been dipped in shit, like their smarter brothers and sisters, and you can be sure that their parents are completely immune to the college crap. Hence, The lies of race equality and so on are creating counter-revolution with the schooling haves vs. the have-nots. That is the new Contradiction of our times as opposed to the class war of a hundred and more years ago.

    If you see it in terms of numbers, in the old days, the capitalist class was infinitely small and the proletariat was huge. Now the college educated fools are, say, one third of the country, while the semi-proletariat of working class whites is about half, with the racial dregs of mexicans and negroes siding with the Dems…the liberals with their Luv of the Darkies …always kept at a safe distance to preserve the white liberal Idea of darkies …suffering Humanity…but useful as voters…taking up the flanks of the Don Quixote Liberals…their sort of Sancho Panzas. except with knives and guns …. not too reliable.

    The parents of these SJW types , too comfortable in the suburbs for many of their kids to stomach, especially those living in Mom and Dad’s basements…they got no excuse for being comfortable, and their kids think bad thoughts about them.

    The Death of Liberalism even in the privacy of one’s home. Revolution…. Eating…., and all of that. Plus the Trump Derangement Syndrome…who coined that? These liberals are nuts and will never make good soldiers.

    So per the above quote, the Left is beset with so many hatreds, including within its own ranks, that it appears not to be much of a threat to the GOP, even with the GOP just being the Lesser lovers of the Darkies, etc. Identity Politics is wrecking at least part of the Dem’s base. Ho ho. But actually, that is all the DEm Party is today: a clutch of rival grievance-based racist minorities, financed by Jews and led by their jews and shabbas goyim, and hustlers of every stripe, especially the beaners and darkies. Whatever Philosophy the Dems have is merely Free Money are Darkies, and Kill Whitey. But Whitey has almost all the guns…the average negro in Chicago, etc. shares a gun with his entire gang…not exactly soldierly respectable. And they are very poor shots.

    How long all of this lunacy based on Lies abut Race, can go on…we will find out I guess. Meanwhile pay attention and buy guns.

    Joe Webb PS, the Arabs/Muzzies are also on the minds of the US White public, and probably also most of the colored folks.

    PPS, the term xenophobic is a liberal magic word. A Phobia, in psychology is an irrational fear. To be afraid of Negroes, ARabs, Mexicans is not irrational…they bring Africa, etc to the suburbs of White America, something Whites don’t want. Reasonably enough.

    JW

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    In the combination

    the capitalist class was infinitely small and the proletariat was huge
     
    one should use not infinitely small, but infinitesimally small.
  62. Druid says:
    @Priss Factor
    http://www.historyvshollywood.com/reelfaces/a-united-kingdom/

    This movie says the fate of UK is ACOWW or Afro-Colonization of White Wombs

    Europe is Vagina and Womb; Africa is Penis and Balls.

    Junglo-Saxons are the future race of Britons.

    Yet, dummy 'patriots' are most worried about Muslims and Sharia.
    At least Muslims blow up pop concerts that promoting ACOWW.

    It is not some Muslims in cars that are conquering Europe.

    It is Negroes who gain ownership of white wombs. Via ACOWW, Afrobortion happens. A white-child-that-might-have-been is killed or Afroborted to produce a black child.

    All white kids came from white wombs. When white wombs are colonized by black men, white-kids-that-could-have-been are killed and replaced with black babies like Obama scumbag.

    But Great Cucktain now promote this as national value.

    So true!

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  63. Druid says:
    @joe webb
    'Looking at the toll from our last Civil War, I hope to God we don’t have another one. For sure we don’t need one. What we need is sane immigration policies, that’s all." Sanity gave way to Sentimentalism some time ago, like post-war, especially with Jewish subversion .

    The Western Individualist and Egalitarian/Christian combined altruism (genetically) and religion , as in Abolitionism aways back which can be symbolized by John Brown( and confessedly myself a few decades back) produced the Civil War. And that was when Negroes were probably ten points stupider than they are now but also probably, with less obvious criminality.

    There was probably no avoiding it.

    Same thing now. The John Browns amongst us need to be expelled and or otherwise treated as in wartime...concentration n camps, etc, or other expedients. The Negroes need to be resegregated and the Mexicans shipped South.

    A terrible Truth I suppose, but the historical civil war killed 6 or 7 hundred thousand white men in a country of about 25 million whites. Do the math for our time right now...Whites as in 63 % or so of 300 plus million.

    Triage Time. Save the West, Save the US Civilization of Whiteness.

    We are headed for more and worsening civil strife, street killings, etc. The cops cannot prevent it and Words cannot prevent it.

    Joe Webb

    Shires just love killing, especially each other. Consider 60 million killed in the the two world wars, now trying to start a new war with Russia. . You guys are cray!

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  64. reiner Tor says: • Website
    @jacques sheete

    Everything which has taken place from 1950 onwards, when the first Blacks from the West Indies began to arrive – as we were told, to “help re-build” after the war
     
    Duped again, yet "we" never learn.

    "We" still think "we" won de war!

    Amazing.


    By the time Enoch Powell – a deeply brave, plain-speaking and wonderfully stubborn Member of Parliament from the ignored English Midlands made his now-infamous “rivers of blood” speech in 1968, setting out as clear as crystal what awaited a nation and people whose communities, culture, way of life and physical territory was being usurped at high speed by a race of outsiders...
     
    Funny how Hitler was condemned, demonized and destroyed for expressing similar ideas.

    From Powell's speech, and this is a huge flaw in political systems.


    By the same token, they attract little attention in comparison with current troubles,
    which are both indisputable and pressing: whence the besetting temptation of all politics to
    concern itself with the immediate present at the expense of the future.
     

    Hitler was condemned, demonized and destroyed for expressing similar ideas.

    Hitler didn’t merely express those ideas. He endorsed them, for Germans to invade and usurp the territories of other peoples, especially those of Slavs, and he started a war to achieve that: perhaps the bloodiest conflict in human memory, at least in absolute numbers.

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  65. Rod1963 says:
    @Barnard
    I think Derb's larger point is correct though, there is no natural way for the country to divide today. The Southern Alt-Right people at Occidental Dissent and other sites who think they are going to reclaim the South don't seem to have any understanding how small a minority they are in their own states. If it came time to actually secede and the residents of Alabama or Tennessee were told what that meant for them financially, the percentage of those who would support it would be in the low to mid single digits. The only way I see something happening in the United States is after a total financial meltdown, people would need to feel like they had nothing left to lose.

    If you look at the power centers of the white urban liberals – they are all in coastal cities that also happen to have lots of minorities. There area few inland like Chicago – but that’s already dying. The other thing about almost all of them, they are loaded to the gills with millions of 3rd world savages and dindu’s who are one SNAP card malfunction from burning those cities down along with all the whites that have been supporters of white democide and social engineering for the last 50 years.

    The ones who stagger out of the cities – shoot them. End of problem.

    Here’s the thing, I’m old enough to remember white flight from California that infested OR, AZ, WA and CO to the point that anyone with a CA license plate was seen as the enemy by locals. Why were the locals pissed? Because they brought with them the same toxic Leftism that poisoned CA so bad that they fled and the next thing you know things started going bad in those states.

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  66. Eagle Eye says:
    @Malaysian Truther
    I completely agree with Eagle Eye on the Thomas Mair case.

    The guy had certified mental health issues yet his attorney did not even plead manslaughter through diminished responsibility. Any half beat attorney pleads this (even for example in the recent case of a Welsh man killing his mistress claiming manslaughter on account of Asperger's Syndrome)

    A few other anomalies. The police said the gun used had been stolen in the previous year but offered no evidence on how it had come into Mair's possession. Since Mair hardly ever went out, it hardly seems likely he managed to buy it in a pub or through a criminal syndicate. He was supposed to be racist but never touched Cox's Asian friend who was trying to fend him off with a handbag.

    Another anomaly. Of course Mair's internet usage on his home computer and the one he supposedly used in the public library showed the usual things associated with a right-wing extremist, visits to a few gun sites, white supremacist sites etc. Nobody seemed to think it odd i) why he needed to go to the public library at all ii) why he did not delete the web histories and/or go incognito iii) what his web history was prior to more than just a few days before the killing.

    Yet another anomaly. He had the requisite books on Nazi history/ regalia / weapons in his house but no evidence I believe was presented as to when and where they had been bought or if they had been read.

    Of course the clincher was the fact that virtually less than 2 hours after the killing, it was revealed by an American civil rights group that Mr Mair had bought one or more combat magazines about South African white supremacist groups on the internet 17 years before. The internet was barely being used by most people 17 years ago never mind for internet shopping! Could anybody find an internet receipt for anything they had bought more than 4 years ago?

    Usually in a trial we find out background about the alleged criminal which throws light on how and why he might have carried out the alleged crime. However in the case of Mair we found out nothing - not how much money he had, how he shopped, who his friends (if any) were.

    My strong suspicion was that the Deep State recruited him as a sleeper patsy agent many years ago who they activated in the closing steps of the Referendum when it looked like Leave were edging ahead. Everything including his bizarre comments at his committal proceedings, his refusal to give evidence or even talk to his attorney and then his desire to make a statement after sentencing, only suggests someone not only mentally ill but operating under instructions.

    Jo Cox was a suitably saintly but inconsequential figure to play the victim role. The less said about her husband who should have been asking all of the above questions, the better.

    When will the British public wake up?

    Thanks for the careful and detailed exposition.

    The idea that an individual with clinically confirmed mental issues simply goes out and purchases a gun in a country where possession and sale of guns is illegal is at least highly suspicious.

    British gun laws were drastically tightened after the convenient “Dunblane school massacre” in 1996. That incident also involved a mentally challenged individual and after barely a “decent interval” was seized on as an excuse to disarm the few British citizens still in possession of guns.

    A few weeks later, the show opened “successfully” in Tasmania, Australia where it was equally exploited to disarm the formerly rugged but now Scandinavianized Australians.

    Asking ANOTHER QUESTION sometimes helps bring otherwise inexplicable events into focus, just as looking AWAY from a faint star enables the eye to see it.

    For example, rather than asking the obvious question – e.g. who murdered JFK? – it is sometimes more illuminating to look into a seemingly minor but more manageable aspect of a case.

    For example, one might profitably ponder the question “Who was really behind the murder of Lee Harvey Oswald?” Few people are aware of that Oswald had been entrusted by the CIA with the crucial job of radio operator supporting U-2 pilot Gary Powers. (Powers himself confirmed this in a book. Powers worked as a helicopter pilot doing traffic watch programs for a TV station. Powers died in a crash shortly before he was to testify.)

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  67. @englishmike

    ...a political union of all three North America countries, a scheme quite like that of the no-passport free-travel EU Schengen states, and, worse, perhaps even including Central, South American, and Caribbean states.
     
    No doubt you remember the remarks "wikileaked" from Hillary's secret speech to a minor European bank:

    “My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, some time in the future with energy that is as green and sustainable as we can get it, powering growth and opportunity for every person in the hemisphere.” [05162013 Remarks to Banco Itau.doc, p. 28]
     
    As Breitbart reported at the time of the leak:

    Clinton also denounced the idea of putting up barriers to global trade, a statement which will likely raise concerns with grassroots and working-class voters in her own party. “We have to resist protectionism, other kinds of barriers to market access and to trade,” Clinton said.

    Even though it has gone virtually unreported by corporate media, Breitbart News has extensively documented the Clintons’ longstanding support for “open borders.” Interestingly, as the Los Angeles Times observed in 2007, the Clinton’s praise for globalization and open borders frequently comes when they are speaking before a wealthy foreign audiences and donors.

    In July 2007, Bill Clinton praised the benefits of “open borders” and “easy immigration” while delivering the keynote address at the 16th Telugu Association of North America (TANA) conference in Washington D.C. to a crowd of thousands of Indian Americans. 

    As the Los Angeles Times reported at the time, Clinton “drew applause at a conference of 14,000 Indian Americans in Washington as he extolled the benefits of ‘open borders, easy travel, easy immigration.’” It went on to report, “The same day, he headlined a fundraiser at the conference for his wife’s [failed 2008 presidential] campaign.”

    In a 2003 speech delivered to Yale University, Bill Clinton called for the establishment of a “global community,” praised the “openness of our borders to immigrants,” and declared that America “has great obligations to open our borders.” Clinton said that he believes the formation of a “genuine global community”—complete with an “over-arching system” to regulate it—to be “the great mission of the 21st century.”
     
    This material comes from Hillary: ‘My Dream Is a Hemispheric Common Market with Open Trade and Open Borders’October 7, 2016 at conservativeread.com

    They also quoted the opinion of Jeff Sessions:

    “For the first time in a long time, this November will give Americans a clear choice on perhaps the most important issue facing our country and our civilization: whether we remain a nation-state that serves its own people, or whether we slide irrevocably toward a soulless globalism that treats humans as interchangeable widgets in the world market.”

     

    My dear englishmike, your reply fleshes out my having written “what the $ellout E$tabli$hment really desires and has shown that it’s aiming to impose*.”

    I thought it was worth amplifying your point. Hope you didn’t mind.

    and the same is true of the $ellout E$tabli$hment in the United Kingdom and western Europe

    Yes. And the establishment that took Britain into the Common Market (“EU”) was the headed by something calling itself the “Conservative Party”.

    Btw: am I right in thinking that Donald Trump is the only US presidential candidate who ever supported the right of the British to vote “leave”?

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    "I thought it was worth amplifying your point. Hope you didn’t mind."
     
    Mind? Of course not, my dear englishmike. Your contribution of an example of one of the many of our "betters" scheming, avowing, and undemocratically imposing and forcing us to pay for policies to ignore, belittle, betray and $ell out us ordinary citizens (and British subjects) of Western Civilization is most welcome. I expect you and I concur in Mr. Derbyshire's expressed desire to see the $ellout$ suspended from the lampposts.
  68. @War for Blair Mountain
    Dear englishturd

    Perhaps you shouldn't use Wikipedia as an oracle to all the questions in life. Perhaps one day you can learn how to think for yourself.

    "moral equivalence" is a term that has lots of propaganda value...It's a debating trick used by debaters...But the expression contains no serious analytical value.

    Dear fellow commenter.
    You inquired as to the meaning of a meaningless expression.
    I don’t use the expression myself; but I looked it up and shared Wikipedia’s explanation with you.
    You’re welcome.
    Mike.

    PS. I was also mildly sarcastic about your tautology. That was discourteous. I apologise.

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  69. @War for Blair Mountain
    Dear englishturd

    Perhaps you shouldn't use Wikipedia as an oracle to all the questions in life. Perhaps one day you can learn how to think for yourself.

    "moral equivalence" is a term that has lots of propaganda value...It's a debating trick used by debaters...But the expression contains no serious analytical value.

    “Moral equivalence” has some use IF it is accepted only as a “rough guide”. Naturally, no two actions can be EXACTLY the same (no two snow flakes are exactly the same etc etc)
    The danger is, if there is NO moral equivalency, then the road is wide open for moral relativism or (worse) moral subjectivity. Ethics demands that actions can be compared & contrasted: this implies that moral actions MAY be similar if not “equivalent”.

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  70. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @joe webb
    Fw: NYTimes.com: The End of the Left and the Right as We Knew Them (Douthat again worth reading....race, the largest single factor in US voting, contrary to the usual lib position...)

    Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 10:44 PM
    Subject: Fw: NYTimes.com: The End of the Left and the Right as We Knew Them (Douthat again worth reading....race, the largest single factor in US voting, contrary to the usual lib position...)
    that it is economics that is #1.

    "Did Racial Bias Tip the Presidential Election?
    A national survey of voting-age Americans found that racial resentment, more than economic anxiety, influenced the presidential election. The survey period was both before and after the election; respondents’ average answers are shown here on a scale from zero to 100". (TheUS election)

    THE The table did not print so you will have to read the article

    The concluding paragraph: "What we are seeing now is the replacement of class-based politics, a trend apparent in the United States and Europe. This gives us a more racialized and xenophobic politics, on one hand, and a politics capitalizing on increasing levels of education and open-mindedness in the electorate on the other. If the building of a viable left coalition is possible, it is likely to require some thoughtful and humane co-optation in the form of deference to our limits and boundaries."

    To put it in other terms, racial attitudes are headed toward the boiling point among the people who have to live next to the interesting illegal and legal immigrants, about whom they were never asked if that it what they wanted, and, 'increasing levels of [technical ] education' which is the cash nexus, status, and ticket to the suburbs wherein one does not have to live next door to niggers and beaners, etc is the plain english translation here.

    Then 'open mindedness' is actually one of the qualifications for membership to the upper middle class. An Open Mind is largely an Empty Mind, particularly with regard to what it is like to live next door to niggers, et al, walk on the same streets and attend the same schools, etc, with the many varieties of wretched humanity now introduced, like bugs and snakes into the once pure White lands. These white suburbs expats, and raised by Dreamers with zero experience of the ghettos, truly have Empty minds except for Abstractions without a referent to actual reality...but with plenty of Peter Panism and Utopian fancies.

    Everything they have been taught is a melange of MLK, Holocaust, Black is Beautiful, Race Equality, yet almost zero history of communism, Jews, and White Accomplishment in general. Whiteness is bad and the rest of it. Dark is Good.

    So , the average smart white upper college bound student is a sink of Utopian sludge and self-hatred.

    The non-college folks have not been dipped in shit, like their smarter brothers and sisters, and you can be sure that their parents are completely immune to the college crap. Hence, The lies of race equality and so on are creating counter-revolution with the schooling haves vs. the have-nots. That is the new Contradiction of our times as opposed to the class war of a hundred and more years ago.

    If you see it in terms of numbers, in the old days, the capitalist class was infinitely small and the proletariat was huge. Now the college educated fools are, say, one third of the country, while the semi-proletariat of working class whites is about half, with the racial dregs of mexicans and negroes siding with the Dems...the liberals with their Luv of the Darkies ...always kept at a safe distance to preserve the white liberal Idea of darkies ...suffering Humanity...but useful as voters...taking up the flanks of the Don Quixote Liberals...their sort of Sancho Panzas. except with knives and guns .... not too reliable.

    The parents of these SJW types , too comfortable in the suburbs for many of their kids to stomach, especially those living in Mom and Dad's basements...they got no excuse for being comfortable, and their kids think bad thoughts about them.

    The Death of Liberalism even in the privacy of one's home. Revolution.... Eating...., and all of that. Plus the Trump Derangement Syndrome...who coined that? These liberals are nuts and will never make good soldiers.

    So per the above quote, the Left is beset with so many hatreds, including within its own ranks, that it appears not to be much of a threat to the GOP, even with the GOP just being the Lesser lovers of the Darkies, etc. Identity Politics is wrecking at least part of the Dem's base. Ho ho. But actually, that is all the DEm Party is today: a clutch of rival grievance-based racist minorities, financed by Jews and led by their jews and shabbas goyim, and hustlers of every stripe, especially the beaners and darkies. Whatever Philosophy the Dems have is merely Free Money are Darkies, and Kill Whitey. But Whitey has almost all the guns...the average negro in Chicago, etc. shares a gun with his entire gang...not exactly soldierly respectable. And they are very poor shots.

    How long all of this lunacy based on Lies abut Race, can go on...we will find out I guess. Meanwhile pay attention and buy guns.

    Joe Webb PS, the Arabs/Muzzies are also on the minds of the US White public, and probably also most of the colored folks.

    PPS, the term xenophobic is a liberal magic word. A Phobia, in psychology is an irrational fear. To be afraid of Negroes, ARabs, Mexicans is not irrational...they bring Africa, etc to the suburbs of White America, something Whites don't want. Reasonably enough.

    JW

    In the combination

    the capitalist class was infinitely small and the proletariat was huge

    one should use not infinitely small, but infinitesimally small.

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  71. Agent76 says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    How dare you waste people's time with a video 99 per cent of whose visual content doesn't add anything to to an evidence free trant by a male and a female voice with no claim to authority? I resent that imposition. What value can you claim to have added by this emptyheaded way of attempting to make up for the deficiencies of your own output?

    “To belittle, you have to be little.” Kahlil Gibran

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    I was introduced to Gibran's poetic emissions many years ago by a troubled friend who must have seen in the "Prophet's" platitudes something to soften her path to an eventual split from her very good and capable husband. He didn't offer much to appeal to the intellect. But seeing your curious reference as if his name should carry some weight I looked him to see what your quoting him might say about you. I was left wondering whether your mind hadn't been addled as a 60s hipster when his popularity reached its peak.
  72. MarkinLA says:
    @Fran Macadam
    "America never needed Europeans and it was criminally foolish of the natives to allow European settlement in such numbers"!

    There was a brief period when the European settlers could have been pushed back into the sea, but that probably would not have lasted long with stories of massacres making it back to Madrid and London.

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  73. whoever says: • Website
    @dearieme
    Thanks, so it wasn't 1918 and it was only tear gas. Your link says that it wasn't Damascus either. So the original post wasn't too hot, was it?

    As for mustard gas against the Germans in WWI, it's a classic case of "they started it". Do you expect their enemies not to reply in kind? Heavens, in WWII the Americans transported mustard gas around in case they needed it for retaliation.

    Apparently, the Mesopotamian gas usage was quite notorious at one time. Thomas Pynchon even uses it in Gravity’s Rainbow. But it’s largely faded from memory now.
    The artist Richard Carline produced some interesting sketches and paintings of British air operations in that theater.
    Incidentally, my reference to Churchill being okay with using mustard gas against Germans was referring to World War II, as in this quote from the document cited:
    “I should be prepared to do [underline] anything [stop underline] that would hit the enemy in a murderous place. I may certainly have to ask you to support me in using poison gas. We could drench the cities of the Ruhr and many other cities in Germany in such a way that most of the population would be requiring constant medical attention.”

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    "the Mesopotamian gas usage was quite notorious at one time": that's odd because it was never actually used. It might have been reasonable to use it - heavens, nowadays police forces use it with little fuss - but it was never done.

    In WWII he certainly explained that he'd order the use of mustard gas on the beaches if the Germans invaded. Seems reasonable to me, given what we know about the Nazis. He seems to have changed his mind about using it elsewhere, does he not? The result was the the only British casualties from mustard gas were from US mustard gas. Irony, eh?
  74. @englishmike

    My dear englishmike, your reply fleshes out my having written "what the $ellout E$tabli$hment really desires and has shown that it's aiming to impose*."
     
    I thought it was worth amplifying your point. Hope you didn't mind.

    and the same is true of the $ellout E$tabli$hment in the United Kingdom and western Europe
     
    Yes. And the establishment that took Britain into the Common Market ("EU") was the headed by something calling itself the "Conservative Party".

    Btw: am I right in thinking that Donald Trump is the only US presidential candidate who ever supported the right of the British to vote "leave"?

    “I thought it was worth amplifying your point. Hope you didn’t mind.”

    Mind? Of course not, my dear englishmike. Your contribution of an example of one of the many of our “betters” scheming, avowing, and undemocratically imposing and forcing us to pay for policies to ignore, belittle, betray and $ell out us ordinary citizens (and British subjects) of Western Civilization is most welcome. I expect you and I concur in Mr. Derbyshire’s expressed desire to see the $ellout$ suspended from the lampposts.

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    I expect you and I concur in Mr. Derbyshire’s expressed desire to see the $ellout$ suspended from the lampposts.
     
    Speaking of which, is it true that the open-borders globalist, Mark $uckerberg, is considering a run for the US Presidency?
  75. dearieme says:
    @whoever
    Apparently, the Mesopotamian gas usage was quite notorious at one time. Thomas Pynchon even uses it in Gravity's Rainbow. But it's largely faded from memory now.
    The artist Richard Carline produced some interesting sketches and paintings of British air operations in that theater.
    Incidentally, my reference to Churchill being okay with using mustard gas against Germans was referring to World War II, as in this quote from the document cited:
    "I should be prepared to do [underline] anything [stop underline] that would hit the enemy in a murderous place. I may certainly have to ask you to support me in using poison gas. We could drench the cities of the Ruhr and many other cities in Germany in such a way that most of the population would be requiring constant medical attention."

    “the Mesopotamian gas usage was quite notorious at one time”: that’s odd because it was never actually used. It might have been reasonable to use it – heavens, nowadays police forces use it with little fuss – but it was never done.

    In WWII he certainly explained that he’d order the use of mustard gas on the beaches if the Germans invaded. Seems reasonable to me, given what we know about the Nazis. He seems to have changed his mind about using it elsewhere, does he not? The result was the the only British casualties from mustard gas were from US mustard gas. Irony, eh?

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  76. @Agent76
    "To belittle, you have to be little." Kahlil Gibran

    I was introduced to Gibran’s poetic emissions many years ago by a troubled friend who must have seen in the “Prophet’s” platitudes something to soften her path to an eventual split from her very good and capable husband. He didn’t offer much to appeal to the intellect. But seeing your curious reference as if his name should carry some weight I looked him to see what your quoting him might say about you. I was left wondering whether your mind hadn’t been addled as a 60s hipster when his popularity reached its peak.

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  77. @Auntie Analogue

    "I thought it was worth amplifying your point. Hope you didn’t mind."
     
    Mind? Of course not, my dear englishmike. Your contribution of an example of one of the many of our "betters" scheming, avowing, and undemocratically imposing and forcing us to pay for policies to ignore, belittle, betray and $ell out us ordinary citizens (and British subjects) of Western Civilization is most welcome. I expect you and I concur in Mr. Derbyshire's expressed desire to see the $ellout$ suspended from the lampposts.

    I expect you and I concur in Mr. Derbyshire’s expressed desire to see the $ellout$ suspended from the lampposts.

    Speaking of which, is it true that the open-borders globalist, Mark $uckerberg, is considering a run for the US Presidency?

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    My dear englishmike, if $uckerberg is aiming to become president it would not surprise me, especially considering the One World Open Border$ Diversity Über Alles boilerplate he's recently been reciting, and even more especially in view of his company's $ellout E$tabli$hment practice of avoiding hiring American workers while Importing Cheap Third World Scab Labor.
  78. @englishmike

    I expect you and I concur in Mr. Derbyshire’s expressed desire to see the $ellout$ suspended from the lampposts.
     
    Speaking of which, is it true that the open-borders globalist, Mark $uckerberg, is considering a run for the US Presidency?

    My dear englishmike, if $uckerberg is aiming to become president it would not surprise me, especially considering the One World Open Border$ Diversity Über Alles boilerplate he’s recently been reciting, and even more especially in view of his company’s $ellout E$tabli$hment practice of avoiding hiring American workers while Importing Cheap Third World Scab Labor.

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  79. @Agent76
    Jacques Sheete this quote nails the issue, "The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the people versus the banks." Lord Acton

    “The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the people versus the banks.” Lord Acton

    It sure does and it’s an age-old issue. It amazes me how difficult it is to get people to understand that concept.

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    Are you sure that Acton said that? It doesn't sound like him.
  80. Hitler didn’t merely express those ideas. He endorsed them, for Germans to invade and usurp the territories of other peoples, especially those of Slavs, and he started a war to achieve that:

    He started the war?

    The bankster supported Bolshies had nothing to do with it?

    Tsk, tsk.

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  81. dearieme says:
    @jacques sheete

    “The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the people versus the banks.” Lord Acton
     
    It sure does and it's an age-old issue. It amazes me how difficult it is to get people to understand that concept.

    Are you sure that Acton said that? It doesn’t sound like him.

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  82. @reiner Tor

    Hitler was condemned, demonized and destroyed for expressing similar ideas.
     
    Hitler didn't merely express those ideas. He endorsed them, for Germans to invade and usurp the territories of other peoples, especially those of Slavs, and he started a war to achieve that: perhaps the bloodiest conflict in human memory, at least in absolute numbers.

    Britain declared war on Germany.

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    But he said that Hitler started the war, not that Hitler declared war on Britain. He started the war by invading Poland, based on a pretext so feeble that even the USA would be embarrassed to use it.
  83. dearieme says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome
    Britain declared war on Germany.

    But he said that Hitler started the war, not that Hitler declared war on Britain. He started the war by invading Poland, based on a pretext so feeble that even the USA would be embarrassed to use it.

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  84. David says:

    Tangential to topic, a 24-year old Egyptian, Ismail Ahmed Abdelmonem Ismail, drowned off the Jersey shore a few days ago. “Police said Ismail recently arrived in the United States to work on the boardwalk.”

    What could this man have to offer us? Why would we do this to ourselves? If only they all came to this end.

    http://www.philly.com/philly/news/new_jersey/shore/north-wildwood-drowning-victim-identified-20170629.html

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  85. anonymous says: • Website • Disclaimer

    OT … Derbyshire’s tenth law in action:

    PHILADELPHIA — District Attorney R. Seth Williams pleaded guilty to bribery and quit his position as Philadelphia’s chief law enforcement officer on Thursday, bringing to an abrupt halt his trial on federal corruption charges.

    The sudden plea came after some two weeks of testimony in which prosecutors alleged that Mr. Williams took cash and gifts from businesspeople in return for offers of legal help with their cases or those of their friends.

    Mr. Williams, who was elected in 2009 as the city’s first black district attorney, now faces a prison term of up to five years and a fine of up to $250,000 when he is sentenced on Oct. 24. He is being held in custody until the sentencing.

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  86. james c says:
    @War for Blair Mountain
    "Moral Equivalence"....What the fuck does this even mean?...Answer:it's an analytically meaningless expression...

    You ask what ‘moral equivalence ‘means.

    You will have to do your own research, but I seem to remember the term being used by Jean Kirkpatrick, when she was downplaying the atrocities of certain regimes in Central America.

    I think it dates from that time and is thus a propaganda term.

    The idea is that not all deaths are equal and it is wrong to claim those from right wing death squads are ‘morally equivalent’ to those from communists.

    To do so would be a terrible thing, and something no interviewer would admit to.

    Whenever an interview got trciky, Jean would play the moral equivalence card.

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  87. Corvinus says:
    @Jus' Sayin'...
    A new political division of the current USA after some type of civil war is easier to imagine if one does three things: (1) looks at a county level map of results in the past presidential election; (2) remembers that sprawling nation-states are not the only plausible political entities; (3) considers the possibility of semi-independent city-states like the multitude that existed within the Holy Roman Empire and even early modern nation-states like France and the UK. In fact, many of the United States' current problems could be solved if a new constitution were written recognizing that each of the urban agglomerations -- comprising about 200+ counties in all -- that went Democrat in the last election are distinct political entities and doing the same for the agglomerations of counties -- about 3000 in all -- that went Republican. All these agglomerations could be given new levels of internal and external autonomy and a new system of relating politically to all other such agglomerations. The deal wold be difficult but not impossible and far fairer and less restrictive than the federal system we have today. BTW, please note that I am not suggesting the Democrat cities should have the status accorded states in our current system.

    Your plan is mere fantasy. But I give you props for creativity.

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  88. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Negrolphin Pool
    While there can be found instances of condemnation of military adventurism coming from the Alt Right, it does seem like yet another example where the dissident left and dissident right are just talking past each other. One of the most striking features when comparing right to left is their tendency to focus on totally different issues, largely ignoring core components of the other's ideology. It's why you can see such profound ignorance on racial matters from otherwise astute people who mostly read left-leaning publications. I suppose this is to be expected. Different values systems result in different prioritizations.

    Likewise, some on the right may be less aware of lefty pet causes (I am), an example might be the minutiae of discretionary wars, as reported by the likes of Nick Turse or Jeremy Scahill. But the Unz comentariat seems uniquely well-rounded, and I just read something purportedly scientific the other day that said the right is generally more factually adept when discussing left wing views than vice-versa.

    How Many Bombs Did the United States Drop in 2016?

    https://www.cfr.org/blog-post/how-many-bombs-did-united-states-drop-2016

    “cfr” stands for Council on Foreign Relations.

    Total: 26172 .

    Syria: 12,192 ,
    Iraq: 12,095 ,

    Counting about 1 ton per bomb, one gets about 12 kilotons for Syria: about 1 Hiroshima for Syria in 2016 alone.

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