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Following on from my last week’s analysis of the International Math Olympiad results (here, with supplementary posts here and here), I have a couple of items on science education and the Left’s continuing war against human nature.

First, an opinion piece for the blog of The Smithsonian magazine. The author is one Shannon Palus, [Email her] described as “a science writer and a researcher for Popular Science.”

Ms. Palus’ blog post laments the under-representation of blacks,Hispanics, and women in American college science faculties.

In the matter of racial under-representation, we get this:

According to the new survey data, just 2.1% of physics faculty in the country are African American and 3.2% Hispanic … The overwhelming majority—79.2%—of physics faculty are white.

[We Know Physics is Largely White and Male, But Exactly How White and Male is Still Striking by Shannon Palus,, July 14, 2014]

As one of Ms. Palus’ commenters points out, adding the three numbers there gives a total of 84.5 percent. Who are the missing 15.5 percent? Perhaps they are some analog of the mysterious “dark matter” that physicists tell us lurks in the interstices of spacetime?

Answer, of course: Asians. For some reason, Ms. Paulus isn’t interested in them.

If you factor in sex, which Ms. Palus needless to say calls “gender,” the discrepancies are even greater:

In the entire United States, of the thousands and thousands of college physics and astronomy faculty, only 75 are African American or Hispanic women, says the American Institute of Physics. According to a new survey by the AIP, female racial minorities make up less than 1% of the 9,050 physics faculty members in the country.

Presumably “racial minorities” does not include that 15.5 percent of dark matter.

What accounts for these under-representations, though? You have one guess: Bias!

The roots of bias run deep, and in some part stem from the idea that physics is a select club, the exclusive realm of brilliant, excentric [sic] white men.

Eliminating irrational biases in faculty hiring, supposing such biases exist, would obviously be an advance in fairness. But Ms. Palus thinks it would also improve the actual quality of science:

New ideas often come from new ways of thinking. The different perspectives and experiences of those who—by nature of their gender or skin color—have tred [sic] a different path through life should be valuable to all people who care about scientific discovery. Not just because diverse ways of thinking could set the stage for new scientific ideas but because, at its heart, physics explores the underpinnings of the universe, and the keys to the cosmos should be accessible to everyone.

(It would be disgracefully male-supremacist of me to pass in chivalrous silence over Ms. Palus’ not knowing the perfect participle of “tread” or the correct spelling of “eccentric,” so I won’t.)

The assumption: women and blacks bring “diverse ways of thinking” to sciences like physics and astronomy; not by virtue of innate differences in neurological wiring—perish the thought!—but as a result of having trodden those different paths through life.

This is not absolutely implausible, though it would be nice to see some evidence. Science at the highest levels advances in part by imaginative leaps—Albert Einstein’s career famously attests to this—and the imagination is nourished by varieties of experience.

Nevertheless, your first filter in hiring in to a physics faculty must be the applicant’s ability to handle the cognitively very demanding material of advanced physics. And that ability is differently distributed by sex and race. There is the fundamental reason for those different percentages.

Ms. Palus’ case is not entirely without merit. She links to a much-discussed 2012 study on sex bias, which presented faculty hirers with résumés to which male or female names had been assigned at random. Sex bias did indeed show up.

The effect is slight, and is present in female hirers as well as males (“female faculty participants did not rate the female [applicant] as more competent or hirable than did male faculty”), so presumably is not an artefact of patriarchal oppression. What is it an artefact of?JayMan chews over five possibilities here. (For example, “any sort of test is likely to overpredict the performance of high-scoring individuals, and much more so for those from low-scoring groups…[Thus the hirers’] experience with female students/employees has shown them to be, overall, weaker performers, and it this, quite unfortunately, colors their decision.”)

In the matter of race, the next most important factor after differences in cognitive ability is the law of supply and demand, as a different commenter on Palus’ article points out:

As a former administrator in a major engineering college in the United States, I can tell you that the primary limitation that we faced in recruiting engineering or physics undergraduate students into our graduate programs who were people of color or women was not “bias” or “racism” or any such thing—it was that they were universally able to find extremely lucrative positions elsewhere.

Non-academic or high-prestige academic employers, keen to fill their race and sex quotas, snap up the small numbers of black and female science graduates, leaving nothing for middling colleges.

Second science education item: The assault on New York City’s specialized science schools.

Within New York City’s public-school system are nine elite specialized high schools, in which very able kids can get a supercharged education free of charge. By New York State law, the only way to get accepted in eight of the nine is by an open competitive standard examination. (The ninth school is for music and drama; it selects by audition.)

New York’s specialized high schools, including Stuyvesant [High School] and the equally storied Bronx High School of Science, along with Brooklyn Technical High School and five smaller schools, have produced 14 Nobel laureates—more than most countries.

[To make elite schools ‘fair,’ city will punish poor Asians, by Dennis Saffran, New York Post, July 19, 2014.]

The state-mandated competitive examination of course yields different pass rates for different races.


Blacks and Hispanics make up seventy percent of the relevant age group in the city; in this year’s exam they only got twelve percent of the seats in those eight schools. Non-Hispanic whites are only twelve percent of New York’s student population, they got 26 percent of the seats. Asians are only fifteen percent of the student population: they got fifty-three percent of the seats.

Immigration patriots might wonder about the wisdom of importing so many Asians and supplying their kids with a premium education at taxpayers’ expense. Do we really need another high-IQ overclass?

I would say not. That’s an argument against mass nonwhite immigration, though, not against specialized high schools with meritocratic admissions criteria.

If you know your statistics, you’ll know that these discrepancies are going to be most prominent at the tails of the distribution. The best-known of the eight schools is Stuyvesant High, and that’s also the one with the highest cutoff for admission. Stuyvesant will take in 950 freshmen this fall. Only 21 will be Hispanic; only seven will be black. Percentagewise that’s 2.2 and 0.7.

Similarly, at Bronx Science, black enrollment has fallen from 12 percent in 1994 to 3 percent currently and Hispanic enrollment has leveled off, from about 10 percent to 6 percent. The figures are even more striking at the less selective Brooklyn Tech, where blacks made up 37 percent of the student body in 1994 but only 8 percent today, while Hispanic numbers plunged from about 15 percent to 8 percent.

The big winners here, as Dennis Saffran’s title makes clear, are the city’s poor Asian kids. Poor they mostly are:

Half the students at the specialized high schools qualify for free or subsidized school lunches, including 47 percent at Stuyvesant and 48 percent at Bronx Science—figures that have increased correspondingly with Asians’ rising numbers at these schools. Based upon these figures, Stuyvesant and Bronx Science (as well as four of the other six specialized schools) are eligible for federal Title I funding, given to schools with large numbers of low-income students.

To Mayor Bill de Blasio and the other limousine Leninists in charge of the city government, the situation is scandalous. Those numerical discrepancies are evidence of discrimination.

Two years ago the NAACP filed a civil rights complaint with the federal Department of Education, charging “bias” in the entrance examination.De Blasio has now signed on to the suit. The push is for “holistic” admissions to the specialized high schools. As Andrew Ferguson observed in Crazy U: “A more practical and accurate term for holistic admissions is ‘completely subjective.’”

And as always with Leftist projects, the beneficiaries will be affluent or well-connected Leftists.

De Blasio suggested, for example, that a student’s extracurricular activities should be one of the selection factors. But as a past president of the Stuyvesant Parents Association noted, “the kids that have the best résumés in seventh and eighth grades have money.”

A Chinese student … who has to help out in his parents’ Laundromat is not going on “service” trips to Nicaragua with the children in de Blasio’s affluent Park Slope neighborhood. The [NAACP’s] suggested admissions criteria—student portfolios, leadership skills and community service—are all subject to privileged parents’ ability to buy their children the indicia of impressiveness.

The war against human nature continues. Human nature will win.

John Derbyshire [email him] writes an incredible amount on all sorts of subjects for all kinds of outlets. (This no longer includes National Review, whose editors had some kind of tantrum and fired him. ) He is the author of We Are Doomed: Reclaiming Conservative Pessimismand several other books. His most recent book, published by com is FROM THE DISSIDENT RIGHT (also available in Kindle).His writings are archived at

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  1. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Why is anyone surprised? Because the Cultural Marxists have been slowly ingesting academia for decades. They’ve already enveloped and digested the humanities like some giant blob and spat out a hideous intellectual mess on the back end that Lysenko and Rasputin could approve of.

    Logic dictates that the Marxist jihadis would make the last bastion of white males their next target. Oh how they want to cast the white men into the corn field and replace them with politically and culturally correct feminists and minorities. It matters not if they don’t know the difference between quadratic equation and Tensor Calculus. Or what applications a digital signal processor used on as opposed to a 8 bit RISC microcontroller.

    Change always comes with a cost, in this case competency and intelligence gotta hit the road.

    We need to get hip to the new faith – Equality. But some are more equal than others in this new faith. Feminists, transgenders and brown skinned folk are part of the protected class and beyond criticism of any sort. Royalty by government fiat and court order.

    Orwell would have understood what is happening quite well.

  2. The roots of bias run deep, and in some part stem from the idea that physics is a select club, the exclusive realm of brilliant, excentric [sic] white men.

    Excentric white men who can put letters and numbers in their correct places?

  3. Alek says:

    Many years ago, before moving to the business world, I was a Statistics professor for a few years. All junior professors were expected to serve on some committees, and I was member of the Search (i.e. recruiting) Committee. There were no black professors in the Statistics department, and we were under immense pressure from higher-ups to recruit at least one.

    At the beginning of each academic year, we would scour all the Statistics departments in the country to locate black PhD candidates in Statistics. Our holy grail was to hire a graduating black PhD in Statistics as an Assistant professor. The problem was that there were very few of them, and the one or two of them available each year would get grabbed by the Harvards and Berkeleys of the world.

    The author of the Smithsonian article seems clueless about the real world. The reason that there are few Black or Hispanic professors in STEM subjects is that few members of these groups (expect for white hispanics from Spain or South America) are PhD candidates in these subjects. Even if he author understood the reasons why there are so few such candidates, it will probably be professional suicide to say so.

  4. I’m late to this, but a few things:

    1) Many of those Asians getting into the elite high schools are illegal immigrants.
    2) I am unable to say with certainty whether or not there is cheating going on. What I can say is that some good fraction of those kids gamed the test and their scores are not representative of their underlying knowledge. I work with a *lot* of recent Asian immigrants, and frequently run into huge gaps between their test scores and demonstrated ability–in both math and English.
    3) If these schools are typical, the influx of Asians is driving whites away, and not because of the competition.

    Also, this is not true of all Asians, and is particularly not true of second or third generation Asians. However, they assimilated as true minorities. Asians don’t do that any more–they live in areas that are 30, 40,60, or even 80% Asian. So they don’t assimilate.

    I don’t know how to square this with the reality that the average cognitive ability is higher, and I don’t support affirmative action. I’m just sayin’.

    • Replies: @jack
    , @gdpbull
  5. jack says:
    @Education Realist

    thanks for the link -educational realist.

    since Derb is aware of the HBD theories, i wonder if the cheating we see from the Asian populations across the globe can be related to their genetics ? obviously their culture has an influence, and their long history of test taking

    we know Asians are a group which is controlled by shame while Europeans are more influenced by guilt. Some in the HBD community claim this is due to the way Europeans evolved to be more individualistic.

    now that America has more and more Asian dominated communities it will be interesting to see how this effects American society. Credentialism is getting worse and worse in America, which favors the cheaters and the affluent.

    would be interesting to see the ethnic breakdown of those attending Stuyvesant [High School]. How many are Italian , Irish, English, Jewish, Polish etc…also the ethnic breakdown of the Asians and how it corresponds to the New York City demographics. While Jews are probably 50% of the “white” population, I assume they are more than 50% of the “white” students at Stuyvesant.

    • Replies: @Anon
  6. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Bill Blizzard and his Men"] says:

    The US is quite capable of being labor self-sufficient in the the technology-science labor markets. One of the great things about a largely labor self-sufficient America with a National Origins Immigration Policy was that it kept America demographically 90 perent White. With this kind of very high real wage labor policy, a demograpically 90 percent Native Born White America placed 12 Alpha Native Born White American Males with advanced engineering degrees and jet fighter experience on the Moon. The “Blessings of a Diverse Workforce” argument is motivated by genocidal intent toward the White Natives.

    Since we are on the eve of another war of mass extermination between two tribes of European peoples in the Ukraine…think of all the future Gregory Voronois that will not be born would create incredible usefull mathematical sturctures like the Ukrainian Gregory Voronoi did. Where would engineering-computer science be today without Voronoi diagrams?

    If the majority nonwhite Democratic Party lead by a Kenyan Foreigner has its way there will be no more future Ukrainian mathematical geniuses in the mold of Gregori Voronoi.

  7. Tom Welsh says:

    So, if I understand Ms Paulus correctly, the problem boils down to a serious shortage of people who belong to minorities? But surely if there were more of them, they wouldn’t be minorities.

  8. SFG says:

    “If the majority nonwhite Democratic Party lead by a Kenyan Foreigner has its way there will be no more future Ukrainian mathematical geniuses in the mold of Gregori Voronoi.”

    There will, they’ll just be in Ukraine (or Russia) making them rich.

    Anyway, I doubt many Europeans want to come here now. They’ve more or less quit killing each other, and that social democracy conservatives hate so much makes the country much more pleasant for the middle class.

    (Yes, I support immigration restriction.)

  9. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Last stat I saw was Asians were approx, 73% of Stuyvesant. Of these, East Asians, as opposed to South Asians, were prominent. So probably highly of Chinese origin, with an also sizable Korean contingent and some South Asian.

    Jews as 50% of the “white” population – You mean overall in NY Public Schools? Don’t know the stat but it’s certainly below that. And guessing below 50% of Stuyvesant “white” students are. At one time schools like Stuy would have been strongly Jewish. I know of Bronx HS of Science going back to the late 60’s. But that was before Asian influxes and when the Bronx itself was pretty Jewish, before many left for suburbs. And the smartest Catholics in the area often went to a parochial HS – Cardinal Spellman. Which I was reminded of when Sotomayer was nominated for the Supreme Court and saw she was a grad of there.

    • Replies: @Bliss
  10. gdpbull says:
    @Education Realist

    I looked at your link and I’m calling BS on it. You have shown no proper statistical studies on cheating by ethnicity. Its all anecdotal, including the studies and reports you link to. That doesn’t mean what you are alleging may not be true in reality, but its not a proper statistical study.

  11. Bliss says:

    Where there is a true meritocracy in admissions asians, in particular the chinese, absolutely dominate. What Stuyvesant is to high schools in New York, Caltech is to colleges in America. Check out Caltech’s freshman class 2013:

    Asians: 43%……..from 5% of the total population)
    Whites: 30%……..from 65%
    NAMs: 14%………from 28%

    So while asians are at more than 8 times their share of the general population, whites are at less than half, and non-asian minorities (blacks, hispanics, natives etc) are at half.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    , @Oldeguy
  12. Lurker says:

    Since many of those whites are actually jewish it’s clear that if there is any discrimination going on, it’s directed at whites.

    • Replies: @Bliss
  13. I agree 100% with this article (where “the left” is mentioned several times), but I think it more than ironic that it’s “the right” in America that leads the war on science — creationism, global warming denying and anti-environmentalism.

  14. Bliss says:

    There is no discrimination on the basis of race at Caltech or Stuyvesant. They are strictly meritocratic.

    So how do HBDers reconcile NAMs slightly besting whites and asians destroying them when it comes to admissions to the most stringently meritocratic elite science college in America?

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
  15. Bliss says:

    Some interesting facts:

    37% of last year’s freshman class at Caltech were girls, compared to 30% for white boys and girls combined. That means females (of all races) who are half the general population were substantially more successful at getting into this extremely difficult to get into college than whites (of both sexes) who are two-thirds of the general population. Take that Fred Reed…take also that iranian woman who just won the Fields medal, the Nobel Prize equivalent of mathematics.

    At Stuyvesant 41% of the student body is girls, overwhelmingly asian of course.

    In the International Math Olympiad’s Hall of Fame the best record belongs to a german girl (though she is listed second):

    • Replies: @pyrrhus
  16. @Bliss

    You’re new to iSteve, aren’t you?

    • Replies: @SFG
  17. Oldeguy says:

    I find it ( pleasantly ) astounding that Blacks and Hispanics make up 14% of the incoming freshman class- do they graduate ?

  18. SFG says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Technically, he’s not on iSteve, he’s on But I totally get your thought process–half the readership’s here for Sailer or one of the people he used to link to.

    Is Caltech truly meritocratic? At 14% NAMs it seems there’s something going on, though obviously the affirmative action isn’t as extreme as, say, Harvard.

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  19. Joe Walker says: • Website

    A better title for her article would have been “We Know Physics is Largely Ashkenazi Jewish and Male, But Exactly How Ashkenazi Jewish and Male is Still Striking”, but of course if she had used that title it probably would never have made its way into publication.

  20. Bliss says:

    37% of last year’s freshman class at Caltech were girls, compared to 30% for white boys and girls combined.

    Which means that there are more non-white girls than white boys in that freshman class at Caltech.

    Is the IQ of whites declining?

    Some studies have shown the average IQ of Westerners has plunged 10 points or more since Victorian times and others claim it will keep decreasing

    That might also explain why the party of whites, the Republican Party, especially its whitest subset the Tea Party, is widely known as the “party of stupid”. Even some Republicans themselves are calling it that.

  21. Ron Unz says:

    I normally don’t involve myself in these comment threads, but happened to notice the discussion of the ethnic enrollment figures for various elite schools, a subject that I analyzed in exhaustive detail a couple of years ago:

    As it happens, the university enrollment data is all publicly available on a quasi-governmental website, but only in exceptionally inconvenient form so almost nobody uses it. Therefore, last year I decided to download the data and make it much more accessible on this website so as to allow informed discussion to replace empty, conflicting claims.

    We now provide the ethnic enrollments over the last 30-odd years for each of the thousands of colleges in America. Just go to this link and type in the college name:

    As an example, here’s the data for Caltech discussed above. As you can see, the 14% “NAM” figure is correct:

    Indeed, I had previously cited some of this data in a 2012 column:

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    , @SFG
  22. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Is the IQ of whites declining?

    The definition of “white” has steadily expanded to include not only Europeans, but also North Africans, Arabs, Palestinians, Persians, Turks, North and Central Asians, etc. (The latter group consists of groups such as Uzbeks, whose average IQ is 87, and Kazakhs, whose average IQ is 94.) As the number of low-IQ, high fertility populations subsumed under the definition of “white” grows, the average “white” IQ will necessarily drop.

    Imagine, for example, a “white” population consisting of ethnic European peoples with a average IQ of 100. If, due to mass immigration from Iraq, the “white” population begins to consist of 90% Europeans with an average IQ of 100 and 10% Iraqis with an average IQ of 87, then the “white” IQ becomes.((0.9)(100)+0.1(87)/1, or 98.7. While the media will gleefully spin this as blue-eyed ethnic Europeans becoming less intelligent, the reality is the lower number reflects non-Europeans being counted as “white” for sociopolitical reasons.

    That said, I believe that environmental factors also play an important role in the decline of White countries. White cognitive outcomes have not benefited from psychiatry’s drive to pump bright young White children full of Ritalin and Prozac, the replacement of outdoor activities with passive television watching, or the increased stress hormone release stemming from residence in “diverse” neighborhoods. Another factor is fluoridation, which as been linked to adverse health effects — including lowered IQ – by Asian, Eastern European, South American, and Israeli scientists. (Israel, FWIW, just banned water fluoridation.) The response of the Anglosphere countries? To place the issue of fluoridation effectively beyond debate and beyond democracy, using democratically unaccountable judges and technocrats to impose fluoridation on resisting populations.

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  23. Bliss says:
    @Ron Unz

    Thank you very much for providing this useful resource. Looking at the data from your site for Caltech I learn that:

    1. Hispanics account for the lion’s share of NAMs at Caltech today. And their percentage of total enrollment is almost 3 times what it was in 1980.

    2. Asians have more than tripled since 1980.

    3. Blacks have remained more or less the same for that period.

    4. Whites on the other hand have suffered a huge decline. From 74.5% in 1980 to 31.5% in 2012. In 2013 it was down to 30%.

    Remarkably, this trend is repeated at Stanford and MIT and even (to a lesser extent) in the less strictly meritocratic Ivy League colleges. Simply put, recent immigrants (asians and hispanics) have together more than tripled their numbers at the most elite colleges in 34 years…… the expense of non-hispanic whites, not blacks. And since, as you have shown, jews are still heavily over-represented in the Ivy League (rightly or wrongly), it is white gentiles alone who are getting squeezed out of the elite institutions because of asian and hispanic immigration.

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  24. Bliss says:

    The definition of “white” has steadily expanded to include not only Europeans, but also North Africans, Arabs, Palestinians, Persians, Turks, North and Central Asians, etc

    That research specifically mentioned westerners.

    The non-westerners you mentioned have IQs in the same ball park as african-americans. Which is another good example of data that is conveniently ignored by HBDers/race realists.

  25. Bliss says:

    Another remarkable finding from Unz’s site:

    At Stanford, Caltech, MIT and each of the Ivy League colleges there are more females of all races than there are non-hispanic whites of both sexes. Which means that asian + NAM girls outnumber white boys in the most elite colleges of America.

    This must be very traumatic news for racist and sexist white males!

  26. Clarke says:


    From your tone, I could tell it wouldn’t be hard to punch some holes in your weekend.

    1) disingenuous to compare Caltech’s demographics to the U.S. population only. It’s the California Institute of Technology, so a little better to compare it to 14% Asian California than 5% Asian U.S. Also, 9% of its undergrad students and 41% of its graduate program are international, so obviously need to compare the ethnicities on those not just to the US but rather to the world’s. And the grad program is larger than undergrad, so about 1/3 of all Caltech students are international.

    2)You sure about Caltech being “strictly meritocratic” in admissions? It’s a small school (2.2k students grad +undergrad) and they have an awful lot of diversity committees and such.

    3)Judging by the pictures I’ve looked at from Caltech’s Club Latino, almost all of the Hispanics there are white. Lots from South America and Spain. And they’re not stupid, which is why they checked the Hispanic box.

    4)Why would it surprise HBDers that Asians do better than whites overall on math exams? If it surprises you, then you’re definitely new here.

    Anyway, whitey is doing fine at Caltech. And what happens when the white and Asian students get out into the real world?

    • Replies: @Bliss
  27. Clarke says:


    For a laugh, you’ve really got to spend 20 minutes online scoping out the ethnic makeup of Caltech’s 10% “Hispanic” population; it’s whiter than a Shins Concert in Minneapolis.

    Here are some pictures from an event held by one of the main Hispanic clubs on campus:

  28. Bliss says:

    disingenuous to compare Caltech’s demographics to the U.S. population only. It’s the California Institute of Technology, so a little better to compare it to 14% Asian California than 5% Asian U.S. Also, 9% of its undergrad students and 41% of its graduate program are international,

    1. We are talking of undergraduate enrollment of american citizens here, so why are you bringing up graduate students and international students?

    2. Caltech is an elite college not a state university. It attracts applicants from all across America. Californians pay the same tuition as everyone else. Besides Caltech’s asian proportion is almost 3 times the 14% asian population of California anyway. So what is your point?

    almost all of the Hispanics there are white. Lots from South America and Spain.

    Again the dishonesty. Foreign students don’t count. These are american hispanics. It is also very silly and dishonest of you to claim that the students in those pictures, some of whom could be international students, look whiter than the mostly scandinavian whites of Minneapolis.

    • Replies: @Oldeguy
  29. pyrrhus says:

    Pretty obviously some kind of affirmative action is going on at Caltech, since girls scores on the SAT remain much lower than boys. The percentage of NAMs also cannot be reconciled with reality.

  30. Oldeguy says:

    I noticed that you did not answer my question concerning NAM graduation- no reason that you should really- it’s up to me to do the research and I tried. At Forbes I was able to get a breakdown of the NAM for their most recent academic year: total 12% ( not 14% ) and broken down as Hispanic 10% , Black 2%. Didn’t much surprise me, I’ve always been more sanguine regarding the future prospects of our Hispanic as opposed to Black populations. Anyone having any extensive contact with the “Hispanic” population is aware of the enormous racial and cultural diversity WITHIN that group.

  31. Clarke says:

    Bliss, in comment #11 you’re claiming that your link leads to the 2014-2015 freshman class, but that’s actually the entire undergraduate enrollment. If you must cherry-pick stats to suit your obvious agenda, can you at least cherry-pick them accurately?

    Why is it irrelevant what the ethnic makeup of the grad school is? Because that doesn’t suit your purposes as well? The grad school is larger than the undergrad school; and I’m sure it’s more of a “strict meritocracy” than you claim the whole school is.

    Especially with your tone and agenda, this is pretty close to trolling. It’s that sloppy and obvious — for example, unless you’re really a newb on the subject, I can’t believe you think HBDers are stunned by Asians outperforming whites in math.

    • Replies: @Bliss
  32. Bliss says:

    By the way, I think we need to cull down the “white” category even further to at least non-hispanic and non-jewish whites. If you do that the proportion of such whites comes down to ~25% or less across the board at the Ivies, Stanford, Caltech and MIT. While blacks are consistent at 6 -7% at all these elite colleges, with the striking exception of Caltech. Hispanics range anywhere from 8% to 17%. Basically, the newer americans (asians and hispanics) are outperforming the older americans (whites and blacks). Which means the 1965 Immigration Act has proved to be a boon for the US.

    Actually it makes even more sense to make it non-hispanic, non-jewish, non-MENA whites. Maybe we can call them non-HJM whites? What say you HBDers?

  33. Bliss says:

    Bliss, in comment #11 you’re claiming that your link leads to the 2014-2015 freshman class, but that’s actually the entire undergraduate enrollment.

    You are dishonest in every one of your posts, which convinces me that you are a troll and a dumb one at that. For anyone can check to see that you are lying again. I provided the official link to Caltech in that post which gives the composition of the freshman class for the year 2013-2014.

    Here it is again:

    Oldeguy needs to look at it again as well: NAMs are at 14% not 12%. Our new culled down category of non-HJM whites would be less than 25% in that class. Now that is at the most strictly meritocratic college in America. So all the usual whining about “affirmative action” explaining very low white enrollment in elite colleges are clearly exposed for what they are: excuses.

    • Replies: @Oldeguy
  34. Clarke says:


    It doesn’t say “Freshman Class,” it says “Fall Enrollment / Undergraduate.”

    Wikipedia says Caltech has 978 undergrads, this list says 979. It’s all undergraduates.

  35. Bliss says:

    I also think chinese-americans deserve a separate category, for they are in a league of their own when it comes to academic performance. And they represent a billion-plus international ethnicity. Anyone agree?

    • Replies: @Lurker
    , @pyrrhus
  36. Oldeguy says:

    I used the latest ( 2013-2014 academic year ) Forbes figures, not the 2012 figures.

  37. map says:

    I see…so ethnic preferences are given to NAMs and Asians at the expense of Whites. This is obviously not meritocracy but some sort of political purge.

    I’d like to know how minority these faculties are.

    • Replies: @map
  38. map says:

    Let me add something else…regardless of how “meritocratic” Caltech may be, I’d really like to know what incredible advances in science and technology have been woven into the fabric of society since all these minorities and women came to dominate?

    The Manhattan Project went from purely theoretical science as of 1941, to the atom bomb in 1945, to practical nuclear energy within a decade. That’s a 14-year period.

    The Space Race resulted in a man on the moon within a decade.

    Countless other inventions were created in the decades before minority over-representation in science and engineering: rockets, radar, x-rays, commercialization of autos and aircraft, the computer, the discovery of DNA, microwave ovens, wireless communication, polio vaccine and vaccines in general, a revolution in medicine. The list goes on.

    All of this was created by White men.

    Where are all the remarkable inventions, technologies and new scientific discoveries that are supposed come out of all of these Asian geniuses? Where are the revolutionary advances? Where is anything being built today that had the incredible impact of the White scientists in the decades before their enrollment at Caltech dropped from 74% in 1981 to 30% today?

    Really, none. These Asians are doing nothing but refining science and tech that was discovered decades ago. This is the “meritocracy” of the Civil Service exam, not the traditional merit of great men doing great things.

    A bunch of Asians from the faculty to the student have ruined everything.

    • Replies: @Hacienda
  39. Lurker says:

    I also think chinese-americans deserve a separate category, for they are in a league of their own when it comes to academic performance. And they represent a billion-plus international ethnicity. Anyone agree?

    I’m guessing whites don’t get to belong to an international ethnicity do they?

    Lets get this straight – because there a ton of Chinese people in the world they get to have some sort of reserved quota at a US educational institution?

    There is another ethnicity thats well represented in many elite colleges, they represent a tiny minority in world terms, so Im guessing under Bliss rules they’ll see their numbers slashed. Im sure they’ll be happy to sign up to that.

  40. SFG says:
    @Ron Unz

    Ah–thanks. Surprised, but if that’s the data, that’s the data, as scientists are supposed to say.

    Maybe there is AA at Caltech, but not enough NAMs actually *want* to be techie nerds to fill their numbers as high as they’d like. (Similarly, I expect the Jewish decline in National Merit Scholars is due to the fourth- and fifth-generation Ashkenazim having tracked so far upward they’ve turned into lazy rich kids, like the WASPs before them. Maybe you’ve got some clever reverse-engineered way of figuring out the answer?)

    If I really wanted to troll our readers, I’d say you’d done a mitzvah. 😉

  41. pyrrhus says:

    No. They certainly aren’t smarter than either Northern European whites or Japanese, and they don’t have nearly as many Nobel prizes.

  42. David II says:

    I disagree with EdReal’s diagnosis of cheating, too, but I think I know where he’s coming from. I know Asians are supposed to view things more holistically than Europeans generally, but in my experience as a tutor to college math students at NYU and as a manager of a small team of pricing actuaries, I feel that Asians often learn facts or methods without integrating them with all the other things they know. I don’t think they are cheaters. It’s simply that they can solve word problems on a test that they can’t formulate in real life. When they get to work, or to the next math course, the inability to formulate new solvable problems is debilitating. Speaking very generally.

  43. Hacienda says:

    Blame x colored race for y problems of YT. Fortunately for POCs, we’ve gotten well inoculated from this pathology.

    Disagree that Asians have “ruined everything”. I guess that depends on
    your POV. Lots of POC and even whites believe that YT has “ruined everything”.

    Also disagree with your implication that tech has slowed down. You can
    do the research, there’s no point in me doing in for you.

    And few, if any, Asian is preventing whites from forming their own white-only MIT, Caltech.
    Asians don’t have any legal or political clout in the US. Whatever it is that’s led to this
    current situation, it’s not the fault of Asians.

    Bartender, give this SOB (get it? sob) another beer. His virtual flood of tears have ruined the one he’s got.

    One last thing. It’s not as if Asians can’t do tech. It’s just that tech is
    not the be all and end all.

    • Replies: @map
  44. map says:


    Look, you can link wikipedia all you want, but, if the Chinese really invented this stuff, then why was the impact on Chinese society nowhere near as transformative as it was on European society?

    I mean, really? The Chinese invented paper, printing, gunpowder and the compass, yet these inventions had no impact at all on Chinese society. You really believe that the Chinese invented things but completely missed the usefulness of said inventions? That really makes sense to you, huh?

    You don’t see at all that Asians can somehow takeover Caltech but cannot build their own universities. They are supposedly brilliant scientists and engineers but are not responsible for inventing or creating any of the things they are supposedly good at?

    None of these incongruencies lead you to question the prevailing narrative, huh?

    I ask again. Give me one example of a brilliant, revolutionary technology that we use today that springs from the mind of your Asian robot. Just one.

    And, no, I don’t accept the USB port.

    • Replies: @Hacienda
  45. Hacienda says:

    If you’re talking about individual Asian American or fundamental contribution to inventions or
    techniques. Here’s some:

    Superconductivity, magnetic memory core, fiber optics, memristor,
    PCS, molecular beam epitaxy , electroporation, biomechanics,
    bioengineering, chemotherapy treatment of cancer, green fluorescent protein, electrical properties of thin films, crossed molecular beam.

    Yeah, this isn’t like the invention of the computer, or space program. But much like what you’d expect from a scattered population of technologists. More broadly, NE Asians
    are increasingly lights out in the patents granted per capita world wide. Korea already far exceeds
    US patent granting per capita. Rather astonishing considering income levels from just
    20 years ago. If you look at trend lines, you’ll see Asian inventions increasing and correlated
    to income levels. This isn’t something that’s not happening, it’s not an illusion. Wake up,
    you aren’t living in 1952, 1962, 1972, 1982, even 2002 anymore.
    There might be a reason why 50% of MIT is Asian. But feel free to dismiss.
    I’m not here to convince the likes of you.

    • Replies: @map
  46. Asians will only become a problem when they begin to displace Jews. It is already occurring in medicine and science but once they get into Law and Finance the gig will be up. Hollywood will be the last redoubt and it will be defended at all cost.

  47. map says:

    Amazing how a little bit of research unravels your lies. Take note: having some Asian on a team does not make an invention Asian.

    One point on patents. Patent law was changed in the early 00’s allowing for the publishing of all submitted patent proposals 18 months after submission, even if rejected. Patents mean very little nowadays.

    From Wikipedia:

    Superconductivity: Discovered by Heike Kamerlingh Onnes in 1911. Not Asian.

    Magnetic memory core: There were many different people working on this. The inventor that got the patent was Jay Forrester. Yes, An Wang did “substantial work”, but his work had no influence on Forrester’s. Quote: In April 2011, Forrester recalled, “the Wang use of cores did not have any influence on my development of random-access memory. The Wang memory was expensive and complicated. As I recall, which may not be entirely correct, it used two cores per binary bit and was essentially a delay line that moved a bit forward. To the extent that I may have focused on it, the approach was not suitable for our purposes.” Yeah, some Asian was doing inferior work to the white guy. Forrester got the patent.

    Fiber optics: Guiding of light by refraction, the principle that makes fiber optics possible, was first demonstrated by Daniel Colladon and Jacques Babinet in Paris in the early 1840s. Not Asian.

    Memristor: Leon Chua himself claims that the first experiments demonstrating the memresistor were done by Sir Humphry Davy. Plus, no practical application for a memresistor exists today.

    PCS: what is this acronym?

    Molecular beam epitaxy (MBE): is one of several methods of depositing single crystals. It was invented in the late 1960s at Bell Telephone Laboratories by J. R. Arthur and Alfred Y. Cho. Oh, look another white guy.

    Electrporation: No inventor is listed for this process.

    Biomechanics: The word “biomechanics” (1899) and the related “biomechanical” (1856) were coined by Nikolai Bernstein.

    Bioengineering: No inventor.

    Chemotherapy: The term was coined in the early 1900s by Paul Ehrlich as meaning any use of chemicals to treat any disease (chemo- + -therapy), such as the use of antibiotics (antibacterial chemotherapy). No Asian.

    Green Fluorescent Protein: Martin Chalfie, Osamu Shimomura, and Roger Y. Tsien were awarded the 2008 Nobel Prize in Chemistry on 10 October 2008 for their discovery and development of the green fluorescent protein. Again, a white guy on the team.

    Electrical properties of thin films: No inventor is listed.

    Cross Molecular Beam: The crossed molecular beam technique was developed by Dudley Herschbach and Yuan T. Lee, for which they were awarded the 1986 Nobel Prize in Chemistry.[3] While the technique was demonstrated in 1953 by Taylor and Datz of Oak Ridge National Laboratory,[4] Herschbach and Lee refined the apparatus and began probing gas-phase reactions in unprecedented detail. Again, a white guy is intimately involved.

    • Replies: @Hacienda
  48. Hacienda says:

    Your selective filters too strong to engage. No point in arguing with fanatics.

    I didn’t say the above technologies were all invented by Asians, just fundamental contributions. Pay attention if you want to have meaningful dialogue.

    • Replies: @map
  49. map says:

    I don’t have ideological blinders. Half the technologies you mentioned have no Asian involvement at all. You rattled off a list as if but for the presence of Asians, the technology would either not exist or be severely crippled. Nothing is further from the truth.

    I am not debating with you over whether Asians are employed in these fields. i know that they are. I am arguing that there presence is largely either fraud or statistical noise. Fraud, because Asians do cheat. Noise, because if you have a population of nearly 1.5 billion people, chance are some of them are going to be smart and fill out the class at CalTech. Despite that, Asians are not creating any real lasting science. All you are getting is a gentleman’s agreement to cite each other on one another’s papers.

  50. Olorin says:

    The de Blasios of the world have as their ideal “science magnet schools” that admit kids according to how well they will fit into the Diversitocracy, and how well they will lull the masses into thinking they’re smart.

    Their model and the poster child for all this is Neil De Grasse Tyson.

    He flunked out of astrophysics at UT because his self-admitted slackerism and taste for pretentious hobbies (wine, dancing, crew)…but still thinks UT was racist.

    “I should’ve spent more time in the lab,” Tyson admits, “but that wasn’t me. I took my studies very seriously, but I also did these other pursuits.”

    “Back in the lab, though, things weren’t going as well. Tyson wasn’t making progress on his dissertation, and professors encouraged him to consider alternate careers.”

    “After Tyson finished his master’s thesis, his advisors dissolved his dissertation committee—essentially flunking him. “I still don’t talk about it much,” he says, “because it was a failed experiment, and I’ve moved on from that chapter of my life.”

    “After UT, Tyson transferred to Columbia, where he earned his PhD in 1988. From there, it was a straight shot to a postdoc at Princeton, and then the directorship at the Hayden Planetarium. ”

    I have never been able to find ANYTHING that this man ever authored that looks like serious peer-reviewed or cutting edge science. He’s a showman, and they gave him a Ph.D and a spot on the (dreadful) new Cosmos series. He can never hold his own in a science discussion with real astrophysicists or other science; when challenged on his facts he gets angry and pouty and throws things. But hey, he’s COLORFUL! (It is said.)

    The only thing I can find that he ever did that looks like an actual accomplishment is he got into the Bronx High School of Science in the old days, when merit was required…but still his dad was a powerful figure at City Hall, so I can’t imagine him being flunked. Anybody know where his admissions records are? Should be public.

    Notably, his father was one of the old NYC black-political-grievance elite, the “100 Black Men” and HARYOU. The latter drew enormous money to BRA-in-the-making from the Johnson Administration.

    HARYOU “was designed to teach residents of Harlem how to work with governmental agencies to meet their demands.”

  51. Calogero says:

    If the glorious people of vibrant color are so clever and innovative, why is it that all of these great universities that seemingly every halfway intelligent person on God’s green Earth would like to get into, were all founded and made into internationally recognized centers of learning solely by the actions of those boring, non-vibrant pale males, almost exclusively of the Gentile variety?

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