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This is one of those weeks where the inside pages of the newspapers (for those of you who remember newspapers) grab one’s attention better than the big headlines. The story that the comment threads are talking about: the four young blacks in Chicago who kidnapped and tortured a retarded young white guy.

The blacks are in custody; their mugshots have been broadcast to the media. You don’t have to look very long at those pictures to know where we are here: on the left-hand side of the Bell Curve.

Intelligence-wise, in fact, we’re on the left-hand side of the black Bell Curve—IQs in the high seventies or low eighties.

It’s worth making the effort of imagination to see how the world seems to people like that.

So how does it seem? Well, it looks the way the images and the Narrative promoted in our Main Strea m Media and the schools portray it. These blacks, aged 18, 18, 18, and 24, grew up on a steady diet of school textbooks, TV shows, and movies keeping alive the resentments about slavery and Jim Crow.

Their teachers told them more about the underground railroad than about Thomas Edison; more about Harriet Tubman than about George Washington; more about Frederick Douglass than about Mark Twain.

If they were given any poetry it was Maya Angelou, not Longfellow. Movie producers gave them The Butler, Twelve Years a Slave, The Birth of a Nation.

All that picking at historical scabs left these dimwitted youngsters with the feeling that whatever happens to whites, they have it coming. Mix that in with the different behavioral profiles of blacks—low impulse control, high levels of psychopathology, the pack mentality—and you get events like this one.

Indeed, you get much worse: anyone remember the Knoxville Horror?

Do whites do cruel things to blacks? Yes, they do. One exceptionally cruel thing, the Charleston church murders of 2015, is still generating small news storie s on page sixteen.

The differences are in numbers and style.

Numbers: Single-offender interracial crimes of violence break five black on nonblack to one the other way. Five out of six are black on nonblack.

That at any rate was the case up to 2008—when the Department of Justice mysteriously stopped producing the relevant tables.

Style: And that’s single-offender style. I can’t find numbers for gang attacks, but my impression from news stories is that this is very much a black thing. If interracial single-offender violence breaks five to one, I bet gang attacks are at least twice as disproportionate.

Race differences in behavior account for much of this, of course. But those differences are amplified by the strange modern fashion, among nonblack educators and media creators, to nurture and inflame black hatred of whites — to keep black resentment alive.

There is a corresponding effort to keep white people hating their own ancestors, their own country, and themselves — keeping white ethnomasochism alive.

So there’s nothing very surprising here. The main interest of this story in fact is that it goes against the cherished liberal Narrative of heartless whites being cruel to soulful blacks.

Reporting on it therefore faced a headwind of fudging and equivocation from the Main Stream Media. It’s been almost painful to watch the reluctance with which respectable outlets dribbled forth the racial facts of the Chicago case.

Without that Facebook video of the torturing, they probably wouldn’t have done so at all.

The MSM air was thick with excuses and equivocation. The gem here was a 600-word piece in Thursday’s Washington Post:

If the attackers had been white and the victim had been black, the incident would have, of course, conjured America’s ugly history of white mobs committing violence against black people. There is no parallel history of the reverse happening on anything remotely approaching the same scale. [Link (to a piece about lynching in the 19th and early 20th centuries) in original]

Pro-Trump narratives converge in one awful attack streamed on Facebook, by Callum Borchers, January 7, 2017

As Steve Sailer commented on Borchers’s bizarre argument:

Obviously, if you stop and think, hundreds of thousands if not millions of white individuals have suffered violence at the hands of mobs of multiple blacks over the last 50+ years, but that’s not a Thing in our national discourse. That’s just noise. Regrettable and forgettable.

How many memorials to crime victims are there in this country? (I believe there is one in Orange County, CA and one in Long Island, NY.) Why do you even know such things? Are you racist?

I’d like to see the actual statistics on gang attacks — in recent times, not in 1850-something. If the Washington Post were a real newspaper, instead of a preening mirror for insulated Goodwhite elites, it would have dug them up for us.

I can recall some incidents of white gang violence against blacks — the Howard Beach vigilante attack back in the 1980s, for example [Michael Griffith dies fleeing a white mob in Howard Beach in 1986,NY Daily News Flashback, December 20, 2016]. But it really doesn’t seem to be much of a thing in this century, certainly nothing like as much a thing as black gang attacks on lone whites.

Probably that’s just confirmation bias on my part, though. The truth of the matter could easily be shown by the numbers.

So what are the numbers for gang attacks, black on nonblack versus nonblack on black?

Didn’t MSM journalists used to research and publish this kind of thing so that the American public was well-informed?

Hello, MSM journalists?

Hello? Hello? …

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John Derbyshire [email him] writes an incredible amount on all sorts of subjectsfor all kinds of outlets. (This no longer includes National Review, whose editors had some kind of tantrum and fired him. ) He is the author of We Are Doomed: Reclaiming Conservative Pessimism and several other books. He’s had two books published by VDARE.com: FROM THE DISSIDENT RIGHT (also available in Kindle) and From the Dissident Right II: Essays 2013. His writings are archived atJohnDerbyshire.com.

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  1. Truth says:

    LOL, the first 400 years post Columbus, in the Western Hemisphere was a “racial gang attack”

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    • Replies: @The Albino Sasquatch
    “the first 400 years post Columbus, in the Western Hemisphere was a “racial gang attack”
    You might want to change your commenter name to Ministry of Truth, with such a mendacious telling of history.
    Get thee to the Azalea Banks Eunuch Collective. And take Tiny Duck with you.
    , @Johnny Smoggins
    But for the White man, all aboriginals in the Americas and all black Africans, including you, would still be living in the stone age. The whippings your great, great grandpappy took were a small price to pay for being able to live in America and not the Congo....boy
    , @anon
    Maybe so but that doesn't lead anywhere nice,

    alternatively...

    every human population used to have a lot of killer genes - cos they were useful - until they made the switch to farming and the psycho genes were gradually culled over time - hence east Asians having say 1%, white 2% and black maybe 4-8%

    and until that percentage drops to "normal" (technically abnormal) levels everyone sensible is going to want to avoid black people - including the non-psycho ones
    , @bomag

    the first 400 years post Columbus, in the Western Hemisphere was a “racial gang attack”
     
    Then we need more of those type of "racial gang attacks", since they led to more civilizational attainment, unlike the current "racial gang atttacks", which just makes things worse.
    , @Craig Nelsen
    And pre-Columbian America was a love-in. So tired of you ignorant turd-suckers.
    , @A narco capitalist
    LOL, the first 400 years

    LOL, always living in the past.

    No one gives a shit about your opinion about that blacks had it the worst of non-white groups. It's an ultimately meaningless concept.

    Move on or move back.
    , @Erik Sieven
    fair enough. This observation could lead to the idea that current absurd levels of black on white levels are morally justified. The question remains: for how long? 400 years? Forever?
    Also the colonial history does not morally justify black on asian, black on hispanic violence etc.
    , @Joe Wong
    The first 400 years post Columbus, it was a "racial gang attack" all over the world and that racial gang attack has not stopped yet, only the excuses to white wash and gloss over the attack have changed, from overt White supremacy to democracy and human rights.
    , @Robert Dunn
    You mean the period of time when Euro-Americans created the greatest nation in the history of the planet?? You know, the one the mud races simply can't stay out of?? Here's your solution 'Truth' to your further enduring the 'racial gang attack' of the last 400 years: move to Africa!
    , @guest
    Do you write for the Washington Post? Because that's pretty much their argument, except you expand it to all white on non-white violence. (Which of course is assumed in every case to be whitey's fault).

    How long before this argument runs out? I'll check back in 2365 (400 years after the peak of the civil rights movement) and see how many people blacks have killed by then.

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  2. Prudence alone suggests that if you are white, that you should avoid black neighborhoods and large concentrations of blacks anywhere else. Yet, the smartphone app that made it easy to do this was denounced by many liberals. It appears that liberals do not believe in prudence.

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    The teacher was teaching plurals.

    “What do you say when there’s more than one cow?”

    “Cows.”

    “Very good. What do you say when there’s more than one goose?”

    “Geese.”

    “Excellent, and what do you say when there’s more than one negro?”

    “We better leave now.”

    Ba-dum. I'll be here all week. Try the veal.
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  3. KenH says:

    Do whites do cruel things to blacks? Yes, they do. One exceptionally cruel thing, the Charleston church murders of 2015, is still generating small news storie s on page sixteen.

    Doesn’t count. The knowledge of black violent crime and terrorism committed against whites since 1965 and the deafening silence from the media and the government to this fact is what motivated Dylan Roof to retaliate and murder those nine blacks. The lopsidedness of this undeclared but very real race war since 1965 puts Roof’s actions into their proper context.

    The only comparison would be the dragging death of James Byrd by three whites in Texas in the 1990′s although I recall that one of the whites was brutalized and possibly sodomized by blacks in a Texas prison and emerged from the experience with a violent hatred of them as a result. Regardless, whites commit a truly heinous crime against blacks about once a decade while blacks commit torture-murder and other animalistic crimes against whites many more times that on a yearly basis.

    Of course, the government, media and web bloggers who excuse every act of Muslim terrorism and violence against Americans and Europeans are some of the same people who will hold a white killer of blacks totally responsible for his actions while casting aspersions on his beliefs and that of any white person who doesn’t acquiesce to the multiracial tyranny that is upon them. It’s zero tolerance for whitey but unlimited tolerance for Mohammed and Ahmed.

    Racial integration between blacks and whites is the God that failed.

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    KenH, yours is one of the more disgusting comments I have read. If we let Dylann Roof of the hook because "blacks are generally attacking whites", then blacks are within their rights to attack whites because "whitey was oppressing them" (maybe a few decades ago). Now that Dylann Roof is sentenced to death, I'm hoping he gets executed on national television alongside a couple of black wannabe bangers who accidentally shot up an innocent child. That way, they won't have a thing to complain about.
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  4. anon says: • Disclaimer

    I still think you’re suffering from a failure of imagination in trying to understand how intellectually empty their world is, and way overestimating their mental furniture. Mississippi Burning? Maya Angelou? Maybe theres a chance they were exposed to some of that in school but honestly I doubt it. And even if they were shown that stuff I’m sure they absorbed nil.

    More likely the media they consume is trash TV and 106 and Park / BET, local gangsta rap about selling drugs, murder and respeck, and if there was any news it would be a rare morsel in a Facebook feed that to us would appear almost completely unintelligible.

    I listen to Bay Area rap music and therefore see these peoples instagram profiles. They live in an eternal present that is very much disconnected from ANY abstract ideas. The most shallow materialism, babies, liquor, weed, where they stand in the social hierarchy. That is what fills these peoples days. They’re not really political people, either. I’m sure those 4 had never voted.

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    "I still think you’re suffering from a failure of imagination in trying to understand how intellectually empty their world is, and way overestimating their mental furniture. Mississippi Burning? Maya Angelou? Maybe theres a chance they were exposed to some of that in school but honestly I doubt it. And even if they were shown that stuff I’m sure they absorbed nil."

    You're right. The average black thug knows or cares none of that stuff. They kind of movies they watch is Booty-Call movies. Their music is rap, rap, rap.

    Stuff like MISSISSIPPI BURNING has influence of white elites and black elites. It fills whitey with 'guilt' and paralysis. And it fills black elites with righteous moral rage, and as such, they are always in blame-whitey mode than honestly dealing with problems in the black community.

    Also, if indeed mass media are the reason for black hostility, why do blacks attack ALL races. Lots of blacks attack blacks as well as whites. And they attack browns, Muslims, Asians, Jews, and etc as well as whites. Hollywood movies don't show Mexican slave-owners of blacks(even though there were some), yet there's a lot of black on brown violence. And mass media and education don't feature yellows as oppressors of blacks, but blacks attack yellows too.
    And Jewish Hollywood has been featuring Jews as best friends of blacks, but there's a lot of black on Jewish hostility too.

    Among the black elites, it has to do with resentment. But black elites don't strike out in violence. They might apologize for the violence of black thugs, but they themselves are not violent.

    As for black thugs, they are just impulsive, aggressive, and wild due to evolutionary reasons. Many black Africans act the same way. To be sure, some Africans are better behaved because they grew up in villages where youngsters are forced to respect elders. If they don't, they get whupped bad. So, they got some manners.

    But blacks in America are the result of family breakdown from too much freedom and welfare. And they run wild with their savage nature. And they know they are tougher than other races. They know they can whup whitey, brownie, yellowie, Jewie, Arabie, Hinduie, and etc. There are exceptions where non-whites whup blacks, but the chances are blacks will have the advantage.

    Also, rap culture promotes crazy violence, and of course, this fuels much of black-on-black violence.
    , @advancedatheist

    They live in an eternal present that is very much disconnected from ANY abstract ideas.
     
    Years ago it struck me how the Lost Boys in the Peter Pan stories model how many blacks live, minus the drugs, sex and senseless "music," of course. Blacks' bodies mature earlier than whites' bodies, but their minds clearly don't.
    , @Stan d Mute

    I still think you’re suffering from a failure of imagination in trying to understand how intellectually empty their world is, and way overestimating their mental furniture.
     
    Unless you've spent a pretty significant amount of time among negroes, in a majority negro environment, I don't think it possible to accurately envision their cognitive abilities or the depth of their hatred for whites. Media is massively saturated with programming that features the "magic negro" (genius negro who saves the day with brilliant science, technology, medicine, jurisprudence, etc) - try boycotting such programming and see how limited your options for tv/film entertainment become. And aside from whites forced to live in majority negro jails/prisons, what above average IQ white spends any time immersed in negro society?

    The closest most whites will ever come may be exposure to a retarded family member. An IQ of 55-70, just one or two standard deviations below the negro average of 85, is profoundly stupid and ineducable. Reading microwave instructions for frozen TV dinners is beyond many of these people. It's not that they refuse to understand or care about negro disproportionality in crime, its that they are incapable of understanding. This is why you so often hear negroes respond to news about negro crime or welfare use, "they's mo whites on welfay doe!" and just repeat this at louder and louder tone if anyone attempts to explain proportion to them. This is also one big reason for negro hatred of whites. All their lives they've been told they are just as smart (smarter if they're afrocentrists) as whites yet obviously far poorer. Why is the negro a janitor when the white guy has the big corner office and company Mercedes-Benz? Obviously "rayciss" is the only answer.

    Given their illiteracy, innumeracy, and severe disability in mental processing, combined with their constant indoctrination about whitey's evil, it would only be surprising if they didn't harbor this resentment and hatred so commonly revealed in violence against whites.
    , @Alden
    I totally agree that they don't absorb the black propaganda taught in schools. White kids do. Asians, hispanics and MENA and White immigrant kids reject the propaganda.

    Why? Because the notice how blacks behave.
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  5. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Mr. Derbyshire,
    By your own account, this crime was committed by a gang of dimwitted black young men. The majority of Black Americans are far more interested in attaining a comfortable lifestyle similar to yours and many middle class folks. That crushing poverty continues to afflict large numbers of African Americans is a symptom of the racist attitude that you and your cohorts continue to nurture and promote. I am neither American nor Black, and so it seems to me that America would be far better off if you were to go back to your place of origin and let real patriotic Americans make America great again for their fellow blacks and whites. Please!

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    it seems to me that America would be far better off if you were to go back to your place of origin and let real patriotic Americans make America great again for their fellow blacks and whites. Please!
     
    You heard him Derb!

    You and the lovely Missus run along and pack your bags and head back to your hometown...

    BEIJING!

    , @KenH

    The majority of Black Americans are far more interested in attaining a comfortable lifestyle similar to yours and many middle class folks.
     
    And they can easily attain that with the innumerable government set asides and affirmative action programs. That most of them still fail is a testament to their sub Saharan African DNA and lower IQ (~15 points lower than whites) and not the "racist" attitudes of commentators like John Derbyshire. The welfare state is breeding dumber and more atavistic and violent blacks with each passing generation which was on display with this latest black on white atrocity.
    , @anon

    The majority of Black Americans are far more interested in attaining a comfortable lifestyle similar to yours and many middle class folks.
     
    Yes - they're trying to get away from the gangbangers too.

    That crushing poverty continues to afflict large numbers of African Americans is a symptom of the racist attitude that you and your cohorts continue to nurture and promote. I am neither American nor Black
     
    It's partly a symptom of excessive criminality caused by genetics which can't be fixed unless people like you stop blinding yourself to reality.
    , @Niels
    Crushing poverty? Seriously?
    Black gangs of Somali and Sudanese "refugees" are going on the rampage here in Australia and they are living in anything but crushing poverty.
    , @Wally
    And there's Africa, which blows away your laughable nonsense.

    In fact, EVERY continent, region, country, state, county, city, and block where blacks are numerous results in the same thing:
    murders, violent assaults, crime in general, extremely low school performance, high STD rates, children with no fathers around, and an affinity for laziness that is hard to comprehend.

    All one has to do is look to see it.

    It's on them and only them.

    , @Bill jones
    I do like well done satire, please play again soon.
    , @Cletus Rothschild
    "By your own account, this crime was committed by a gang of dimwitted black young men."

    His account shows that it was an equal number of women AND men. You must be sexist.
    , @another fred

    He spoke. And drank rapidly a glass of water.
     
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    , @King Baeksu

    it seems to me that America would be far better off if you were to go back to your place of origin
     
    Mr. Derbyshire is a legal American citizen, and as a tenth-generation American myself (one whose ancestors fought on the side of the Union in the Civil War and served as scouts for Lewis and Clark), I consider him a welcome addition to the nation of my forebears.

    I am neither American nor Black
     
    "Whereof one cannot speak, thereof must one be silent." – Ludwig Wittgenstein
    , @marieinbethpage
    "That crushing poverty continues to afflict large numbers of African Americans is a symptom of the racist attitude that you and your cohorts continue to nurture and promote." These African Americans are the product of dysgenics that foolish people like you continue to nurture and promote. These dimwitted Black young men are born not created.
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  6. Forbes says:

    That at any rate was the case up to 2008—when the Department of Justice mysteriously stopped producing the relevant tables.

    When you can’t deny the facts–just hide ‘em.

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  7. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Mr. Derbyshire,
    By your own account, this crime was committed by a gang of dimwitted black young men. The majority of Black Americans are far more interested in attaining a comfortable lifestyle similar to yours and many middle class folks. That crushing poverty continues to afflict large numbers of African Americans is a symptom of the racist attitude that you and your cohorts continue to nurture and promote. I am neither American nor Black, and so it seems to me that America would be far better off if you were to go back to your place of origin and let real patriotic Americans make America great again for their fellow blacks and whites. Please!

    Agreed. This kind of stuff Derb writes about serves no purpose but to generate paranoia and racism. Even though most criminal predators are are black, they are only a small fraction of the overall black population. Why doesn’t Derb write about the much more pernicious minority group that drags us into trillion-dollar wars and is a enemy of Christian culture?? Oh, never mind, I know.

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    This kind of stuff Derb writes about serves no purpose but to generate paranoia and racism.
     
    Most of our problems are fixable if the media and academia stopped lying to us.

    So attacking one or both of the obstacles to fixing things serves a good purpose.
    , @Bill

    Even though most criminal predators are are black, they are only a small fraction of the overall black population.
     
    No. More than one in four black males spends time in prison during their lifetime. It's far from a small minority.

    Why doesn’t Derb write about the much more pernicious minority group that drags us into trillion-dollar wars and is a enemy of Christian culture??
     
    He's explained that: fear and then habit.
    , @Alden
    Plenty of people write about Jews and their agenda. Derb writes about a variety of subjects.
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  8. Truth says:
    @Anon
    Mr. Derbyshire,
    By your own account, this crime was committed by a gang of dimwitted black young men. The majority of Black Americans are far more interested in attaining a comfortable lifestyle similar to yours and many middle class folks. That crushing poverty continues to afflict large numbers of African Americans is a symptom of the racist attitude that you and your cohorts continue to nurture and promote. I am neither American nor Black, and so it seems to me that America would be far better off if you were to go back to your place of origin and let real patriotic Americans make America great again for their fellow blacks and whites. Please!

    it seems to me that America would be far better off if you were to go back to your place of origin and let real patriotic Americans make America great again for their fellow blacks and whites. Please!

    You heard him Derb!

    You and the lovely Missus run along and pack your bags and head back to your hometown…

    BEIJING!

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  9. nsa says:

    Anyone remember the Zebra murders of the 1970s in and around San Francisco? Teams of Black Muslim members targeted and killed whites at random, maybe murdering as many as 250…..no one really knows how many. Racial motivation was ruled out from the beginning, harming the police investigation. In fact, two affirmative action afro detectives ratted out police progress to the local mosque. Right up to the time of the trial, racial hatred was still being denied by the authorities. One young gay guy was kidnapped, tortured, his hands and feet lopped off while alive, then decapitated and trussed up with wire like a thanksgiving day turkey ready for the pan. While race was being ruled out as the motivation, asians and afros were interviewed and openly stated they weren’t fearful and worried, as only whites were being targeted…..with more than a few sniggering (like that word?) that whitey deserved it.

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    I was a San Francisco Probation Officer at the time and Thank God we lived in Marin.

    The papers kept it very, very quiet. The news was actually spread by word of mouth. The killers committed some of the killings in front of witnesses just to show Whitey how powerful they were.

    The police were told to stand down at first. But as word spread the restaurant and entertainment industry realized that the normal weekend business was at a standstill The suburbanites stayed home and San Franciscans ran home after work and stayed home.
    Then the tourist trade dropped. At which point the tourism business and chamber of commerce told the Mayor it had to stop.

    By 1972 the police department was filled with black women clerks administrators and dispatchers as well as men and women black officers. Most were ready to help the black Muslims.
    The 1970 census had the black population as 11 percent. The San Francisco criminal's were about 98 percent black.

    There were only about 1,500 blacks in San Francisco n the 1930s. But then they were brought in to work in the shipyards and port in WW2 and unleashed a storm of crime

    Excellent websites to read about black crime are Council of Conservative Citizens, amren.com, theconservativetreehouse.com daily kenn. If you want to read a real horror story that was covered up by national media Google Jessica chambers at conservative treehouse

    As former law enforcement my advice if you want to stay safe in cities is: 2 black men are probably ok, but 3 or more black men are almost always a mugging gang rape team

    Advice for women from a 5ft 3 115 pd woman. Tuck a plastic grocery bag in your purse. As soon as it gets dark, or near a dark neighborhood, put the purse in the grocery bag

    Check the cars behind you night and day in case a criminal follows you. When you get home check the street sidewalks and yards before you get out of the car.

    Best of all, just abandon the cities to the blacks and the Jews who love them so much and live and work in all White suburbs

    Remember, White flight is White revenge!!!
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  10. The ruling class does their best to keep us focused on race and gender. If we were to focus instead on class we would unite against them. Why would we unite against them? Because of the trend. When the ruling class has everything the rest of us will have nothing. This is simple. No high IQ required. I am in agreement with race realists. And I am a class realist.

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  11. KenH says:
    @Anon
    Mr. Derbyshire,
    By your own account, this crime was committed by a gang of dimwitted black young men. The majority of Black Americans are far more interested in attaining a comfortable lifestyle similar to yours and many middle class folks. That crushing poverty continues to afflict large numbers of African Americans is a symptom of the racist attitude that you and your cohorts continue to nurture and promote. I am neither American nor Black, and so it seems to me that America would be far better off if you were to go back to your place of origin and let real patriotic Americans make America great again for their fellow blacks and whites. Please!

    The majority of Black Americans are far more interested in attaining a comfortable lifestyle similar to yours and many middle class folks.

    And they can easily attain that with the innumerable government set asides and affirmative action programs. That most of them still fail is a testament to their sub Saharan African DNA and lower IQ (~15 points lower than whites) and not the “racist” attitudes of commentators like John Derbyshire. The welfare state is breeding dumber and more atavistic and violent blacks with each passing generation which was on display with this latest black on white atrocity.

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    • Replies: @wmayhue7
    Everyone should view the movie "Idiocracy" and see where our government is driving the population...it should worry EVERYONE....
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  12. asdf says:

    You could tell they were geniuses by the fact that they put the crime up on Facebook. They apparently have no idea how the internet works.

    Real criminal masterminds these.

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    gangbangers post their rape videos online all the time - Facebook / youtube etc remove them

    i guess they don't care as long as their friends get to see it before it's taken down

    the thing with this is live-streaming it on FB - i don't know how common that is - maybe a more recent thing?
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  13. @Truth
    LOL, the first 400 years post Columbus, in the Western Hemisphere was a "racial gang attack"

    “the first 400 years post Columbus, in the Western Hemisphere was a “racial gang attack”
    You might want to change your commenter name to Ministry of Truth, with such a mendacious telling of history.
    Get thee to the Azalea Banks Eunuch Collective. And take Tiny Duck with you.

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    Get thee to the Azalea Banks Eunuch Collective. And take Tiny Duck with you.
     
    "Azalea Banks Witchcraft Collective" I could see..

    "Azalea Banks Santeria Collective" Would suffice...

    "Azalea Banks Hate Whitey Collective" We could even work with...

    But what exactly does Azalea Banks have to do with Eunuchs?

    Oh, wait, I figured it out...

    You're an imbecile.
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  14. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @anon
    I still think you're suffering from a failure of imagination in trying to understand how intellectually empty their world is, and way overestimating their mental furniture. Mississippi Burning? Maya Angelou? Maybe theres a chance they were exposed to some of that in school but honestly I doubt it. And even if they were shown that stuff I'm sure they absorbed nil.

    More likely the media they consume is trash TV and 106 and Park / BET, local gangsta rap about selling drugs, murder and respeck, and if there was any news it would be a rare morsel in a Facebook feed that to us would appear almost completely unintelligible.

    I listen to Bay Area rap music and therefore see these peoples instagram profiles. They live in an eternal present that is very much disconnected from ANY abstract ideas. The most shallow materialism, babies, liquor, weed, where they stand in the social hierarchy. That is what fills these peoples days. They're not really political people, either. I'm sure those 4 had never voted.

    “I still think you’re suffering from a failure of imagination in trying to understand how intellectually empty their world is, and way overestimating their mental furniture. Mississippi Burning? Maya Angelou? Maybe theres a chance they were exposed to some of that in school but honestly I doubt it. And even if they were shown that stuff I’m sure they absorbed nil.”

    You’re right. The average black thug knows or cares none of that stuff. They kind of movies they watch is Booty-Call movies. Their music is rap, rap, rap.

    Stuff like MISSISSIPPI BURNING has influence of white elites and black elites. It fills whitey with ‘guilt’ and paralysis. And it fills black elites with righteous moral rage, and as such, they are always in blame-whitey mode than honestly dealing with problems in the black community.

    Also, if indeed mass media are the reason for black hostility, why do blacks attack ALL races. Lots of blacks attack blacks as well as whites. And they attack browns, Muslims, Asians, Jews, and etc as well as whites. Hollywood movies don’t show Mexican slave-owners of blacks(even though there were some), yet there’s a lot of black on brown violence. And mass media and education don’t feature yellows as oppressors of blacks, but blacks attack yellows too.
    And Jewish Hollywood has been featuring Jews as best friends of blacks, but there’s a lot of black on Jewish hostility too.

    Among the black elites, it has to do with resentment. But black elites don’t strike out in violence. They might apologize for the violence of black thugs, but they themselves are not violent.

    As for black thugs, they are just impulsive, aggressive, and wild due to evolutionary reasons. Many black Africans act the same way. To be sure, some Africans are better behaved because they grew up in villages where youngsters are forced to respect elders. If they don’t, they get whupped bad. So, they got some manners.

    But blacks in America are the result of family breakdown from too much freedom and welfare. And they run wild with their savage nature. And they know they are tougher than other races. They know they can whup whitey, brownie, yellowie, Jewie, Arabie, Hinduie, and etc. There are exceptions where non-whites whup blacks, but the chances are blacks will have the advantage.

    Also, rap culture promotes crazy violence, and of course, this fuels much of black-on-black violence.

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    Yes listening to rap lyrics will clue you in to the vapidity and violence of these people. Presumably the successful rappers are from the right hand side of the iq distribution (there are plenty of bad amateur rappers on soundcloud with obviously less verbal faculty). And yet they will have songs that express inch deep "conscious" messages about how the racist police oppress their community and not see the irony of having other songs where they talk about how they've sold millions of dollars worth of cocaine and murdered gang rivals. In the ghetto any "intellectual" talk about racism is just parroting of elite black pseudo-intellectuals, and it occurs against a backdrop of jaw droppingly senseless acts of extreme violence. The Chicago torture, like the hundreds of Chicago murders last year, was not committed in any sort of intellectual framework. The crimes are perpetrated for financial gain, or due to a perceived insult, or for fun, or for absolutely no reason at all.
    , @jacques sheete

    Also, rap culture promotes crazy violence, and of course, this fuels much of black-on-black violence.
     
    And who/what promotes "rap?"

    This article could be totally bogus. On the other hand...


    “…the [media] companies we work for had invested millions into the building of privately owned prisons …[they] recieved funding from the government based on the number of inmates. The more inmates, the more money the government would pay these prisons.

    Our job would be to help make this happen by marketing music which promotes criminal behavior, rap being the music of choice.”

    http://worldtruth.tv/the-secret-meeting-that-changed-rap-music-and-destroyed-a-generation/

     

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  15. Truth says:
    @The Albino Sasquatch
    “the first 400 years post Columbus, in the Western Hemisphere was a “racial gang attack”
    You might want to change your commenter name to Ministry of Truth, with such a mendacious telling of history.
    Get thee to the Azalea Banks Eunuch Collective. And take Tiny Duck with you.

    Get thee to the Azalea Banks Eunuch Collective. And take Tiny Duck with you.

    “Azalea Banks Witchcraft Collective” I could see..

    “Azalea Banks Santeria Collective” Would suffice…

    “Azalea Banks Hate Whitey Collective” We could even work with…

    But what exactly does Azalea Banks have to do with Eunuchs?

    Oh, wait, I figured it out…

    You’re an imbecile.

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  16. Langley says:

    Gang rape in America is almost entirely done by Blacks:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_rape

    Please look up the stories behind the gang rapes in the references section to confirm this:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_rape#References

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    Aren't you forgetting Haven Monahan and his lily white frat brothers?
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  17. @Abelard Lindsey
    Prudence alone suggests that if you are white, that you should avoid black neighborhoods and large concentrations of blacks anywhere else. Yet, the smartphone app that made it easy to do this was denounced by many liberals. It appears that liberals do not believe in prudence.

    The teacher was teaching plurals.

    “What do you say when there’s more than one cow?”

    “Cows.”

    “Very good. What do you say when there’s more than one goose?”

    “Geese.”

    “Excellent, and what do you say when there’s more than one negro?”

    “We better leave now.”

    Ba-dum. I’ll be here all week. Try the veal.

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  18. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    the left-hand side of the black Bell Curve—IQs in the high seventies or low eighties.

    That’s nothing like the The Unz Review Reader Bell Curve indeed (120 could be the median here).

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  19. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Anon
    "I still think you’re suffering from a failure of imagination in trying to understand how intellectually empty their world is, and way overestimating their mental furniture. Mississippi Burning? Maya Angelou? Maybe theres a chance they were exposed to some of that in school but honestly I doubt it. And even if they were shown that stuff I’m sure they absorbed nil."

    You're right. The average black thug knows or cares none of that stuff. They kind of movies they watch is Booty-Call movies. Their music is rap, rap, rap.

    Stuff like MISSISSIPPI BURNING has influence of white elites and black elites. It fills whitey with 'guilt' and paralysis. And it fills black elites with righteous moral rage, and as such, they are always in blame-whitey mode than honestly dealing with problems in the black community.

    Also, if indeed mass media are the reason for black hostility, why do blacks attack ALL races. Lots of blacks attack blacks as well as whites. And they attack browns, Muslims, Asians, Jews, and etc as well as whites. Hollywood movies don't show Mexican slave-owners of blacks(even though there were some), yet there's a lot of black on brown violence. And mass media and education don't feature yellows as oppressors of blacks, but blacks attack yellows too.
    And Jewish Hollywood has been featuring Jews as best friends of blacks, but there's a lot of black on Jewish hostility too.

    Among the black elites, it has to do with resentment. But black elites don't strike out in violence. They might apologize for the violence of black thugs, but they themselves are not violent.

    As for black thugs, they are just impulsive, aggressive, and wild due to evolutionary reasons. Many black Africans act the same way. To be sure, some Africans are better behaved because they grew up in villages where youngsters are forced to respect elders. If they don't, they get whupped bad. So, they got some manners.

    But blacks in America are the result of family breakdown from too much freedom and welfare. And they run wild with their savage nature. And they know they are tougher than other races. They know they can whup whitey, brownie, yellowie, Jewie, Arabie, Hinduie, and etc. There are exceptions where non-whites whup blacks, but the chances are blacks will have the advantage.

    Also, rap culture promotes crazy violence, and of course, this fuels much of black-on-black violence.

    Yes listening to rap lyrics will clue you in to the vapidity and violence of these people. Presumably the successful rappers are from the right hand side of the iq distribution (there are plenty of bad amateur rappers on soundcloud with obviously less verbal faculty). And yet they will have songs that express inch deep “conscious” messages about how the racist police oppress their community and not see the irony of having other songs where they talk about how they’ve sold millions of dollars worth of cocaine and murdered gang rivals. In the ghetto any “intellectual” talk about racism is just parroting of elite black pseudo-intellectuals, and it occurs against a backdrop of jaw droppingly senseless acts of extreme violence. The Chicago torture, like the hundreds of Chicago murders last year, was not committed in any sort of intellectual framework. The crimes are perpetrated for financial gain, or due to a perceived insult, or for fun, or for absolutely no reason at all.

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    And WHO bankrolls and supports these "rappers"? The "chosen", of course...what better way to debase and coarsen the culture...
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  20. @Truth
    LOL, the first 400 years post Columbus, in the Western Hemisphere was a "racial gang attack"

    But for the White man, all aboriginals in the Americas and all black Africans, including you, would still be living in the stone age. The whippings your great, great grandpappy took were a small price to pay for being able to live in America and not the Congo….boy

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    Well I'm going to have to quarrel with you a bit there, Son; America is a melting pot in which one group so graciously volunteered it's land, and a group of others, one especially, so graciously volunteered their labor to make a third group rich. and a small degree of benefit trickled down to SOME of the other groups, but, it was, in totality a group effort. That's why damn near any European (including the one who wrote the article)100 years ago, 50 years ago, or now, would have given his eye teeth, to leave his lilly-white hometown to move here amongst the Beaners and Knee-grows.

    And BTW, the only boy relevant to you right now, Johnniekins, is your mom, she's calling you to go upstairs and exfoliate her back hairs.
    , @Numinous

    The whippings your great, great grandpappy took were a small price to pay for being able to live in America
     
    And any problems you current face due to globalization are a small price to pay for a future where all of humankind will live in peace and harmony and prosperity. So let the immigrants flow in, jobs flow out, and grin and bear it.
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  21. Truth says:
    @Johnny Smoggins
    But for the White man, all aboriginals in the Americas and all black Africans, including you, would still be living in the stone age. The whippings your great, great grandpappy took were a small price to pay for being able to live in America and not the Congo....boy

    Well I’m going to have to quarrel with you a bit there, Son; America is a melting pot in which one group so graciously volunteered it’s land, and a group of others, one especially, so graciously volunteered their labor to make a third group rich. and a small degree of benefit trickled down to SOME of the other groups, but, it was, in totality a group effort. That’s why damn near any European (including the one who wrote the article)100 years ago, 50 years ago, or now, would have given his eye teeth, to leave his lilly-white hometown to move here amongst the Beaners and Knee-grows.

    And BTW, the only boy relevant to you right now, Johnniekins, is your mom, she’s calling you to go upstairs and exfoliate her back hairs.

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    The Whites who colonized America would have become rich and made a success of it with or without African slave labour. As in all things, your kind adds no value. You are simply donkeys who've learned to approximate human speech.

    Indeed Truth, were it not for the benevolence of the other tribe that first captured your forefathers, the Arabs and Jews who traded some baubles for him, and the southern planter who finally came to own him, you would be back in Africa having as your finest possessions a 1998 model Nokia phone and a third hand knockoff Arsenal shirt.

    Show some gratitude you ape.

    And from now, you will address me as Sir if you wish to be graced with a response.
    , @WJ
    Do you believe the immigrants from the west, that crossed the Bering land bridge, did so, harmoniously, peacefully and in an organized fashion? Of course not. They killed, raped, and robbed their fellow "aboriginals" and pushed the weaker tribes to other areas. How else would some loser tribe end up in Patagonia?

    Perhaps if those very first immigrants from the west had better organizational skills , better technology, or heck, if they would have even had had horses they could have resisted the immigrants from the east better.
    , @Negrolphin Pool
    The injun savage didn't own sh*t.
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  22. anon says: • Disclaimer

    I’m thinking that rap oriented black culture is much more powerful than Black History Month in terms harming race relations.

    Who decided it was OK? Nigga? It’s ridiculous. Its racist. It promotes negative stereotypes of blacks.

    It’s hard to split out the impact of culture vs nature. But a black culture with ghetto rap music/lifestyle at its core is going to produce bad outcomes. It was never OK. Black music has a distinguished history. Jazz. Blues, Ragtime, Motown, etc. I’m no expert, but did we have to end up with this?

    Whites financed and consumed enough of this crap to make it commercially lucrative. There is more than enough blame to go around.

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    Great observation.

    The loss by the black community of their own marvelous music : Jazz was a profound stepping stone towards the criminalization of their mislead youth, mislead by the "rap" idiots and thug glorifiers.

    I cannot imagine a black kid leaving the house with the idea of mugging someone, after listening to Count Basie or John Coltrane, or Miles Davis.

    One the top (black) jazz stars stated a few years ago that it was heartbreaking for him to look out at an audience and see only white faces.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member since 1973, and pro jazz artist.
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  23. Dindu flash mob in Huntington Beach, of all places. Last night.

    http://www.ocregister.com/articles/beach-740570-robbery-detained.html

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    The party bus was charted by a group from the notorious black Nickerson Gardens projects
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  24. anon says: • Disclaimer

    As far as the reparations argument — I see it closely related to immigration.

    One problem with porous or open borders is that American Citizenship has financial value. We have been giving it away. But blacks — as American Citizens have a piece of it. And its value has been diminished by allowing open borders.

    The ‘great migration’ was a huge success for the first generation. Getting out of the economically challenged South into the much more wealthy and industrialized Northern cities was a good deal. https://www.amazon.com/Promised-Land-Migration-Changed-America/dp/0679733477

    But it isn’t frequently recognized as related to shutting the door to unlimited European immigration in the mid 1920′s. And the failure of the civil rights movement to produce better outcomes for blacks as a group is related to lax immigration enforcement beginning in the 50′s.

    Blacks are being displaced in Chicago by Mexicans. There was a black mayor in the 80′s. Whatever political power they had was wasted by thinking about a Rainbow coalition and other pipe dreams. Their remaining political influence was spent in the self destructive ACLU agreement to prohibit proactive policing. One result being that blacks are fleeing their city neighborhoods. Especially their professional and working classes. As well as the pressures to reduce incarceration of blacks.

    It’s not like blacks have any monopoly on incompetent and destructive political leaders. But they had some political capital and this pissed it away.

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  25. anon says: • Disclaimer

    So is Derb’s maths question of the week to find the numbers ourselves? Should I go for the elegant solution or the enumerative one? How about the probalistic one? Maybe i could go down to Chicago and take my chances.

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  26. anon says: • Disclaimer

    So what are the numbers for gang attacks, black on nonblack versus nonblack on black?

    black-on-black also as this kind of thing happens every day and the media won’t report it when it’s that way round either

    (the significance of that being that the media’s excuse for covering it all up – if it was ever forced to give one – would be they don’t want to incite anti-black sentiment but the millions of ghetto gang rapes they cover up to protect their “blacks good, whites bad” narrative signals to me the media don’t care about black people – it’s all about attacking white people)

    whenever you see some media scum on the TV being all morally superior it’s worth remembering they all have blood on their hands up to their elbows

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  27. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Truth
    LOL, the first 400 years post Columbus, in the Western Hemisphere was a "racial gang attack"

    Maybe so but that doesn’t lead anywhere nice,

    alternatively…

    every human population used to have a lot of killer genes – cos they were useful – until they made the switch to farming and the psycho genes were gradually culled over time – hence east Asians having say 1%, white 2% and black maybe 4-8%

    and until that percentage drops to “normal” (technically abnormal) levels everyone sensible is going to want to avoid black people – including the non-psycho ones

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    The 2-R allele of the MAOA gene has a frequency of 5.5% among US black males, about .1-.2% among US white males and essentially 0% among Northeast Asian males.
    , @Truth



    every human population used to have a lot of killer genes – cos they were useful – until they made the switch to farming and the psycho genes were gradually culled over time – hence east Asians having say 1%, white 2% and black maybe 4-8%
     
    I'm guessing these numbers are ascertained from your Caltech Genetics PhD?
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  28. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Anon
    Mr. Derbyshire,
    By your own account, this crime was committed by a gang of dimwitted black young men. The majority of Black Americans are far more interested in attaining a comfortable lifestyle similar to yours and many middle class folks. That crushing poverty continues to afflict large numbers of African Americans is a symptom of the racist attitude that you and your cohorts continue to nurture and promote. I am neither American nor Black, and so it seems to me that America would be far better off if you were to go back to your place of origin and let real patriotic Americans make America great again for their fellow blacks and whites. Please!

    The majority of Black Americans are far more interested in attaining a comfortable lifestyle similar to yours and many middle class folks.

    Yes – they’re trying to get away from the gangbangers too.

    That crushing poverty continues to afflict large numbers of African Americans is a symptom of the racist attitude that you and your cohorts continue to nurture and promote. I am neither American nor Black

    It’s partly a symptom of excessive criminality caused by genetics which can’t be fixed unless people like you stop blinding yourself to reality.

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  29. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Anonymous

    Mr. Derbyshire,
    By your own account, this crime was committed by a gang of dimwitted black young men. The majority of Black Americans are far more interested in attaining a comfortable lifestyle similar to yours and many middle class folks. That crushing poverty continues to afflict large numbers of African Americans is a symptom of the racist attitude that you and your cohorts continue to nurture and promote. I am neither American nor Black, and so it seems to me that America would be far better off if you were to go back to your place of origin and let real patriotic Americans make America great again for their fellow blacks and whites. Please!
     
    Agreed. This kind of stuff Derb writes about serves no purpose but to generate paranoia and racism. Even though most criminal predators are are black, they are only a small fraction of the overall black population. Why doesn't Derb write about the much more pernicious minority group that drags us into trillion-dollar wars and is a enemy of Christian culture?? Oh, never mind, I know.

    This kind of stuff Derb writes about serves no purpose but to generate paranoia and racism.

    Most of our problems are fixable if the media and academia stopped lying to us.

    So attacking one or both of the obstacles to fixing things serves a good purpose.

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  30. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @asdf
    You could tell they were geniuses by the fact that they put the crime up on Facebook. They apparently have no idea how the internet works.

    Real criminal masterminds these.

    gangbangers post their rape videos online all the time – Facebook / youtube etc remove them

    i guess they don’t care as long as their friends get to see it before it’s taken down

    the thing with this is live-streaming it on FB – i don’t know how common that is – maybe a more recent thing?

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  31. @Truth
    Well I'm going to have to quarrel with you a bit there, Son; America is a melting pot in which one group so graciously volunteered it's land, and a group of others, one especially, so graciously volunteered their labor to make a third group rich. and a small degree of benefit trickled down to SOME of the other groups, but, it was, in totality a group effort. That's why damn near any European (including the one who wrote the article)100 years ago, 50 years ago, or now, would have given his eye teeth, to leave his lilly-white hometown to move here amongst the Beaners and Knee-grows.

    And BTW, the only boy relevant to you right now, Johnniekins, is your mom, she's calling you to go upstairs and exfoliate her back hairs.

    The Whites who colonized America would have become rich and made a success of it with or without African slave labour. As in all things, your kind adds no value. You are simply donkeys who’ve learned to approximate human speech.

    Indeed Truth, were it not for the benevolence of the other tribe that first captured your forefathers, the Arabs and Jews who traded some baubles for him, and the southern planter who finally came to own him, you would be back in Africa having as your finest possessions a 1998 model Nokia phone and a third hand knockoff Arsenal shirt.

    Show some gratitude you ape.

    And from now, you will address me as Sir if you wish to be graced with a response.

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    The Whites who colonized America would have become rich and made a success of it with or without African slave labour.
     
    Then why did they spend so much time, money and resources, acquiring and breeding it?




    And from now, you will address me as Sir if you wish to be graced with a response.
     
    You got it; Sir Numbnutz.
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  32. Numinous says:
    @Johnny Smoggins
    But for the White man, all aboriginals in the Americas and all black Africans, including you, would still be living in the stone age. The whippings your great, great grandpappy took were a small price to pay for being able to live in America and not the Congo....boy

    The whippings your great, great grandpappy took were a small price to pay for being able to live in America

    And any problems you current face due to globalization are a small price to pay for a future where all of humankind will live in peace and harmony and prosperity. So let the immigrants flow in, jobs flow out, and grin and bear it.

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    globalization is a wage arbitrage scam that is going to run the world over a cliff for the short term benefit of a pack of greedy sociopaths (aka banking mafia)

    it's not the first time they've done it but it will be the first time they do it everywhere at once
    , @Johnny Smoggins
    Humankind?

    Please, if you wish to be taken seriously, it's mankind.
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  33. Jim says:
    @anon
    Maybe so but that doesn't lead anywhere nice,

    alternatively...

    every human population used to have a lot of killer genes - cos they were useful - until they made the switch to farming and the psycho genes were gradually culled over time - hence east Asians having say 1%, white 2% and black maybe 4-8%

    and until that percentage drops to "normal" (technically abnormal) levels everyone sensible is going to want to avoid black people - including the non-psycho ones

    The 2-R allele of the MAOA gene has a frequency of 5.5% among US black males, about .1-.2% among US white males and essentially 0% among Northeast Asian males.

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    yes - that would be the first place to look
    , @Corvinus
    "The 2-R allele of the MAOA gene has a frequency of 5.5% among US black males, about .1-.2% among US white males and essentially 0% among Northeast Asian males."

    Tell the entire story.

    https://scientiasalon.wordpress.com/2014/07/31/the-extreme-warrior-gene-a-reality-check/

    Over the past 12 years research on MAOA genes has examined how low-activity gene variants interact with environmental factors to influence violence and other antisocial behaviors. In 2002, Avshalom Caspi, then at King’s College in London, and his colleagues published their landmark study. Caspi’s team reported that adults with the low-expression MAOA who were mistreated as children were more prone to developing antisocial problems later in life. But maltreated children with the high-activity variant were less likely to engage in delinquent or criminal activities. It seems low-activity MAOA variants make people more responsive to abuse.

    MAOA-3R — the “original warrior gene” — was the first gene linked with antisocial characteristics. But Maori were not the only ethnic group with a high frequency of this variant. It turned out that while 3R was found in 56% of Maori males, it occurred in 58% of African American males and 34% of European males. Misinterpreted by the media, the 3R variant quickly became a lead character in a pop science narrative intended to explain why certain racial groups appear to have increased tendencies toward violence. When a disproportionately high number of males of an ethnic group carries a less common gene linked with aggressive behaviors, the discussion about that gene immediately takes on racial overtones.

    Interestingly, the press ignored studies indicating that the 3R variant occurred in 61% of Taiwanese males and 56% of Chinese males.

    In 2008, University of North Carolina sociologist Guang Guo and his colleagues found that antisocial behaviors in male youth were associated with three genes — low-activity MAOA variants and two dopamine-related genes. But it was 2R — the “extreme warrior gene” — that captivated researchers searching for a still illusive genetic basis of criminal predispositions. Guo’s team analyzed data on male youth from Add Health — a national sample of adolescents in grades 7-12. Their findings showed that the rare variant, 2R, was correlated with higher levels of self-reported serious and violent delinquency. The association was also observed in females, but it was too weak to merit further study.

    More recently, Beaver’s team has focused only on the 2R variant rather than the low-expression variants combined [6, 7]. He and his colleagues have discovered that African American males carrying 2R were more likely to be involved in extreme violence — shooting and stabbing — than African American men with other MAOA variants. The relationship between the rare MAOA version and antisocial behaviors has raised eyebrows because, quite simply, this gene is not distributed equally across ethnic groups. In the Add Health database, 5.5% of African American men, 0.9% of Caucasian men, and 0.00067% of Asian men have 2R. (No information is currently available on the frequency of 2R in males of African black descent outside the United States.)

    Since the rare MAOA variant is virtually non-existent in whites, all of the males in Beaver’s study were black Americans.

    Part of the skepticism surrounding Beaver’s studies may lie in popular misinterpretations of his research. As Beaver explains, “It is probably correct to assume that social behaviors are due to gene-environment interaction. But statistical models are quantifying variance — that is, they are looking at differences between persons. Why an individual turns out a certain way might be due to gene-environment interaction. But person-to-person differences do not always result from gene-environment interaction. The reason that people vary in criminal propensities could be due to only genetics, only environments, or either of these free from gene-environment interaction."

    Beaver’s findings may shed light on whether a single gene might underlie individual differences in criminal tendencies. So far, his investigations have targeted only African American males because too few whites carry the rare MAOA variant to include them. The rates of 2R are more than five times higher in African American males than in American white males, at least in the Add Health sample. Beaver claims that 2R alone may be strong enough to account for a significant amount of violent behavior in African American men.

    But he doesn’t think this rare gene version explains all of the variation between men who have and don’t have severe antisocial traits. As he puts it, “Even if MAOA-2R is causally linked with antisocial behaviors, it is not common enough in African Americans to solely account for crime rates in blacks”.
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  34. @anon
    I'm thinking that rap oriented black culture is much more powerful than Black History Month in terms harming race relations.

    Who decided it was OK? Nigga? It's ridiculous. Its racist. It promotes negative stereotypes of blacks.

    It's hard to split out the impact of culture vs nature. But a black culture with ghetto rap music/lifestyle at its core is going to produce bad outcomes. It was never OK. Black music has a distinguished history. Jazz. Blues, Ragtime, Motown, etc. I'm no expert, but did we have to end up with this?

    Whites financed and consumed enough of this crap to make it commercially lucrative. There is more than enough blame to go around.

    Great observation.

    The loss by the black community of their own marvelous music : Jazz was a profound stepping stone towards the criminalization of their mislead youth, mislead by the “rap” idiots and thug glorifiers.

    I cannot imagine a black kid leaving the house with the idea of mugging someone, after listening to Count Basie or John Coltrane, or Miles Davis.

    One the top (black) jazz stars stated a few years ago that it was heartbreaking for him to look out at an audience and see only white faces.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” society member since 1973, and pro jazz artist.

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    "One the top (black) jazz stars stated a few years ago that it was heartbreaking for him to look out at an audience and see only white faces."

    He charged too much, blacks couldn't afford the ticket price.
    , @Pat Kittle
    Sorry to burst your bubble but...

    Miles Davis:
    “If somebody told me I had only one hour to live, I’d spend it choking a white man. I’d do it nice and slow.”
    -- [ https://www.aim.org/wls/i-want-to-choke-a-white-man/ ]

    , @Father O'Hara
    Was it "heartbreaking" when he cashed the check?
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  35. Truth says:
    @anon
    Maybe so but that doesn't lead anywhere nice,

    alternatively...

    every human population used to have a lot of killer genes - cos they were useful - until they made the switch to farming and the psycho genes were gradually culled over time - hence east Asians having say 1%, white 2% and black maybe 4-8%

    and until that percentage drops to "normal" (technically abnormal) levels everyone sensible is going to want to avoid black people - including the non-psycho ones

    every human population used to have a lot of killer genes – cos they were useful – until they made the switch to farming and the psycho genes were gradually culled over time – hence east Asians having say 1%, white 2% and black maybe 4-8%

    I’m guessing these numbers are ascertained from your Caltech Genetics PhD?

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    based on growing up somewhere not nice

    (although the MAOA research seems to be in the same ballpark which makes me curious about it)
    , @Negrolphin Pool
    It's a very reasonable guess at rates of scoring >30 on the PCLR by race.
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  36. Truth says:
    @Johnny Smoggins
    The Whites who colonized America would have become rich and made a success of it with or without African slave labour. As in all things, your kind adds no value. You are simply donkeys who've learned to approximate human speech.

    Indeed Truth, were it not for the benevolence of the other tribe that first captured your forefathers, the Arabs and Jews who traded some baubles for him, and the southern planter who finally came to own him, you would be back in Africa having as your finest possessions a 1998 model Nokia phone and a third hand knockoff Arsenal shirt.

    Show some gratitude you ape.

    And from now, you will address me as Sir if you wish to be graced with a response.

    The Whites who colonized America would have become rich and made a success of it with or without African slave labour.

    Then why did they spend so much time, money and resources, acquiring and breeding it?

    And from now, you will address me as Sir if you wish to be graced with a response.

    You got it; Sir Numbnutz.

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    Then why did they spend so much time, money and resources, acquiring and breeding it?
     
    History is littered with failed economic efforts. This is one of them.
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  37. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Jim
    The 2-R allele of the MAOA gene has a frequency of 5.5% among US black males, about .1-.2% among US white males and essentially 0% among Northeast Asian males.

    yes – that would be the first place to look

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  38. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Truth



    every human population used to have a lot of killer genes – cos they were useful – until they made the switch to farming and the psycho genes were gradually culled over time – hence east Asians having say 1%, white 2% and black maybe 4-8%
     
    I'm guessing these numbers are ascertained from your Caltech Genetics PhD?

    based on growing up somewhere not nice

    (although the MAOA research seems to be in the same ballpark which makes me curious about it)

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  39. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Numinous

    The whippings your great, great grandpappy took were a small price to pay for being able to live in America
     
    And any problems you current face due to globalization are a small price to pay for a future where all of humankind will live in peace and harmony and prosperity. So let the immigrants flow in, jobs flow out, and grin and bear it.

    globalization is a wage arbitrage scam that is going to run the world over a cliff for the short term benefit of a pack of greedy sociopaths (aka banking mafia)

    it’s not the first time they’ve done it but it will be the first time they do it everywhere at once

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  40. @Numinous

    The whippings your great, great grandpappy took were a small price to pay for being able to live in America
     
    And any problems you current face due to globalization are a small price to pay for a future where all of humankind will live in peace and harmony and prosperity. So let the immigrants flow in, jobs flow out, and grin and bear it.

    Humankind?

    Please, if you wish to be taken seriously, it’s mankind.

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  41. joef says:

    There are several reasons for this:
    - – Liberal sincere true believers cannot handle the truth;
    - – The New Left are deliberately hiding the truth to advance their revolutionary agenda;
    - – Fashionable (suburban) libs do not care as long as it does not affect them.
    - -There are useful idiots who believe what ever the MSM reports, even against their own rational self interest.
    - – The average American is preoccupied with bread and circuses.

    Anyone who was a white flight urban refugee can tell you how common these events actually are. When street justice was not actively discouraged by prosecutors/politicians/MSM this was mostly contained and inner city working class neighborhoods could still thrive. Radical afro americans mainly wanted easy targets by exploiting some unfair advantage against their victim (either in physical size/numbers/weapons; or choosing some pandering white person who would be more than happy with complying in being a victim, so they can give back some mythological black suffering). The radicalized afro american would usually shy away when challenged on equal footing (there were always exceptions of course).
    With the elimination of street justice, radical afro american violence increased.

    The problem is that now the millennial offspring of white flight refugees do not know anything about what their parents have escaped from. Add to that is the frustration of our current employment situation, and the fact that the millennials lack resiliency to handle problems, they now identify with the radical afro american pseudo grievance mentality. This aiding and abetting of afro american dysfunction only empowers further antisocial behavior.

    And the more we pander the worst its going to get. What we are suffering now is a low grade unreported race (forever) war. Radicalized afro americans attack people of all races, as well as whites (especially Asians), but that goes unreported too, because it challenges the leftist paradigm that afro americans belong to a anti white male racial coalition (which defies the reality of what is actually occurring).

    The MSM has successfully promoted: the elimination of the prudent use of street justice, hate crimes legislation, political correctness to silence dissent, reduced criminal sentencing, and has curtailed urban policing (who also lost public support because many suburban police departments overzealous use of summons quotas).

    The next step in this MSM lib agenda is obviously gun control. Once they get that, then they can intimidate us into financial appeasement of afro americans indefinitely. They will tell us if we do not want anymore radical afro american violence, we must then pay up in more taxes.

    Govt itself has gone from the primary function of providing necessary public services (picking up the garbage, putting out the fires, and fixing the roads) to merely providing entitlements and Govt transfer payments.

    Its a mess, and its not going to end until the day it cannot go on anymore (because we will be bankrupted by then).

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  42. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Abe Lincoln himself was waylaid as a young man by a gang of blacks and just barely escaped. This has been going on all along. I saw a black flash mob come out of nowhere and swarm a lone white person and beat them up way back in the late 50′s when I was a child. It was hard as a child to process what that was about. Now I know. There’s nothing new, just the technology they use to stay in touch with each other and recruit participants has improved. They’ve also got a huge lobby to explain away anything they do and help drop a curtain over the reality of what’s been going on. People have had to read the smoke signals to find out where to avoid, often too late for them. It’s been a constant, never ending struggle to maintain civilized public spaces in this country due to the presence of you know who.

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  43. Svigor says:

    What was the history of the Slave Coast of Africa, in those 400 years? Makes American Blacks’ woes look like chicken feed; no YT around to keep Blacks’ evil in check. In fact, what’s sub-Saharan Africa in general been like, since Columbus?

    Well I’m going to have to quarrel with you a bit there, Son; America is a melting pot in which one group so graciously volunteered it’s land, and a group of others, one especially, so graciously volunteered their labor to make a third group rich. and a small degree of benefit trickled down to SOME of the other groups, but, it was, in totality a group effort. That’s why damn near any European (including the one who wrote the article)100 years ago, 50 years ago, or now, would have given his eye teeth, to leave his lilly-white hometown to move here amongst the Beaners and Knee-grows.

    Mmm, no. Look at the living standard in Western Europe, vs. the living standard in sub-Saharan Africa. The ceiling of the sub-Saharan African contribution to America is seen in Sub-Saharan Africa. Same goes for the mestizos and their homelands.

    I suppose if a mule could talk, he’d talk like blacks do; claim his share of the credit, avoid his share of any blame, all while talking about how wrong it was that he was yoked (you know, during which time he made his mighty, involuntary contributions).

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    On a whim, I looked at the respective population sizes of Whites in Africa and Blacks in Europe, and this is what I found:

    (1) Whites in Africa : 5.65 million https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Africans_of_European_ancestry

    (2) Blacks in Europe : less than 8 m + 2 m in U.K
    https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=black+population+in+Europe

    So, given the relative population sizes in each continent [Africa: 1.03 b, Europe: 738m]
    https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=total+populations+by+Continent ,

    it does not appear to be a badly unbalanced swap, never mind colonial history, economics and all sorts of annoying, insignificant details.

    Furthermore, if Blacks are so terrible, make a hash of everything they touch, their continent so bloody awful etc. what in the name of heavens are Whites doing there today?

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  44. Svigor says:

    First 400 years of blacks’ contributions to America since Columbus = 0. They were whipped into doing it by others.

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  45. Realist says:
    @Authenticjazzman
    Great observation.

    The loss by the black community of their own marvelous music : Jazz was a profound stepping stone towards the criminalization of their mislead youth, mislead by the "rap" idiots and thug glorifiers.

    I cannot imagine a black kid leaving the house with the idea of mugging someone, after listening to Count Basie or John Coltrane, or Miles Davis.

    One the top (black) jazz stars stated a few years ago that it was heartbreaking for him to look out at an audience and see only white faces.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member since 1973, and pro jazz artist.

    “One the top (black) jazz stars stated a few years ago that it was heartbreaking for him to look out at an audience and see only white faces.”

    He charged too much, blacks couldn’t afford the ticket price.

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    I've never known a black who was even aware of jazz. The audience is composed of pompous, pretentious White liberals. I doubt they like the music for itself but because supposedly it was created by blacks.
    But there were as many Whites as blacks involved.
    , @Authenticjazzman
    " He charged too much, blacks couldn't afford the ticket price"

    Nonsense = The Detroit jazz fest, one of the top world-wide charges no admission, all shows are free.

    Look I am, myself, a jazz player with over fifty years on the bandstand, my last gig was sunday past, and I know what I am talking about = Jazz music is sadly not appreciated in the black community anymore, with the exception of a few kids in school programs who are studying it , and older folks who never disconnected from it.

    If you would ask the majority of young blacks in their twenties who Charlie Parker or Wes Montgomery were, you would get a blank stare and puzzlement, but they would be able to list all of the rap-thugs name by name.

    Authenticjazzman, "Mensa" society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.

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  46. Bill says:
    @Anonymous

    Mr. Derbyshire,
    By your own account, this crime was committed by a gang of dimwitted black young men. The majority of Black Americans are far more interested in attaining a comfortable lifestyle similar to yours and many middle class folks. That crushing poverty continues to afflict large numbers of African Americans is a symptom of the racist attitude that you and your cohorts continue to nurture and promote. I am neither American nor Black, and so it seems to me that America would be far better off if you were to go back to your place of origin and let real patriotic Americans make America great again for their fellow blacks and whites. Please!
     
    Agreed. This kind of stuff Derb writes about serves no purpose but to generate paranoia and racism. Even though most criminal predators are are black, they are only a small fraction of the overall black population. Why doesn't Derb write about the much more pernicious minority group that drags us into trillion-dollar wars and is a enemy of Christian culture?? Oh, never mind, I know.

    Even though most criminal predators are are black, they are only a small fraction of the overall black population.

    No. More than one in four black males spends time in prison during their lifetime. It’s far from a small minority.

    Why doesn’t Derb write about the much more pernicious minority group that drags us into trillion-dollar wars and is a enemy of Christian culture??

    He’s explained that: fear and then habit.

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    Consider that some proportion of those who commit violent crimes are apprehended. Consider that some proportion of those are arraigned, and charged. Some proportion of those actually stand trial. Some proportion of those are convicted. And finally, some proportion of those ever serve time.

    If one out of four black males serves time, it's definitely understating the situation.
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  47. “Why Won’t the MSM Tell Us the Numbers?”

    Is it part of a delaying action (affirmative action???) for the inevitable genocide by which these troubles will come to resolution?

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  48. Niels says:
    @Anon
    Mr. Derbyshire,
    By your own account, this crime was committed by a gang of dimwitted black young men. The majority of Black Americans are far more interested in attaining a comfortable lifestyle similar to yours and many middle class folks. That crushing poverty continues to afflict large numbers of African Americans is a symptom of the racist attitude that you and your cohorts continue to nurture and promote. I am neither American nor Black, and so it seems to me that America would be far better off if you were to go back to your place of origin and let real patriotic Americans make America great again for their fellow blacks and whites. Please!

    Crushing poverty? Seriously?
    Black gangs of Somali and Sudanese “refugees” are going on the rampage here in Australia and they are living in anything but crushing poverty.

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    The "poverty" excuse is one of the weakest. None are starving or anywhere near it. Indeed, obesity is common. I get off at a metro in a black area, and most are pushing babies in state-of-the-art strollers, kids in new outfits and expensive sneakers. I'm not sure where the money is coming from, but they are not experiencing "crushing poverty" of the sort that would excuse psycho violence. In fact, people who actually live in crushing poverty are quite noble by comparison.
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  49. Wally says:
    @Anon
    Mr. Derbyshire,
    By your own account, this crime was committed by a gang of dimwitted black young men. The majority of Black Americans are far more interested in attaining a comfortable lifestyle similar to yours and many middle class folks. That crushing poverty continues to afflict large numbers of African Americans is a symptom of the racist attitude that you and your cohorts continue to nurture and promote. I am neither American nor Black, and so it seems to me that America would be far better off if you were to go back to your place of origin and let real patriotic Americans make America great again for their fellow blacks and whites. Please!

    And there’s Africa, which blows away your laughable nonsense.

    In fact, EVERY continent, region, country, state, county, city, and block where blacks are numerous results in the same thing:
    murders, violent assaults, crime in general, extremely low school performance, high STD rates, children with no fathers around, and an affinity for laziness that is hard to comprehend.

    All one has to do is look to see it.

    It’s on them and only them.

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    Here are the top 20 nations in murder rate: Brazil, India, Mexico, Ethiopia, Indonesia, Nigeria, S. Africa, Colombia, Russia, Pakistan, DR Congo, China, Venezuela, U.S.A., Uganda, Cote d'Ivoire, Tanzania, Sudan, Kenya, Honduras.

    I count nine of those countries as having minimal or no black populations whatsoever. The African countries that are uniformly black are clustered near the bottom.

    You might also want to consider what's driving the violence in these countries. In DR Congo, Uganda, Cote D'Ivoire, and Sudan, it's being driven by civil war. In Nigeria and Kenya, it's largely Muslim fundamental terrorism.

    Allegations about fatherlessness in African countries would need to be demonstrated by you. So would an "affinity for laziness." Considering that most people in these countries who live outside cities work in subsistence agriculture, I'd suggest that, unless you make a living doing physical labor, you're much lazier than they are.
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  50. Alden says:
    @fred c dobbs
    Dindu flash mob in Huntington Beach, of all places. Last night.

    http://www.ocregister.com/articles/beach-740570-robbery-detained.html

    The party bus was charted by a group from the notorious black Nickerson Gardens projects

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  51. Alden says:
    @Realist
    "One the top (black) jazz stars stated a few years ago that it was heartbreaking for him to look out at an audience and see only white faces."

    He charged too much, blacks couldn't afford the ticket price.

    I’ve never known a black who was even aware of jazz. The audience is composed of pompous, pretentious White liberals. I doubt they like the music for itself but because supposedly it was created by blacks.
    But there were as many Whites as blacks involved.

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    "I've never known a black who was even aware of jazz, the audience is composed of pompous , pretentious white liberals".

    This statement is beyond rediculous, and myself as a jazz player with over fifty years on the bandstand can state that white liberals do not make up the majority of jazz audiences, rather, strange as it sounds, conservative white business types make up the majority of informed jazz fans, of course if it is presented in a university setting the audience will be composed of mostly leftists.

    Regarding blacks not being aware of jazz : yes this is now sadly true, however forty years ago they were, along with white folks, avid fans of jazz music, and considered it an achievement of their own race, and this mind-set has been lost to the takeover of black entertainment by rap-thugs with their, you can't even call it music, violent garbage

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member of forty-plus yeras and pro jazz artist.

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  52. @Anon
    Mr. Derbyshire,
    By your own account, this crime was committed by a gang of dimwitted black young men. The majority of Black Americans are far more interested in attaining a comfortable lifestyle similar to yours and many middle class folks. That crushing poverty continues to afflict large numbers of African Americans is a symptom of the racist attitude that you and your cohorts continue to nurture and promote. I am neither American nor Black, and so it seems to me that America would be far better off if you were to go back to your place of origin and let real patriotic Americans make America great again for their fellow blacks and whites. Please!

    I do like well done satire, please play again soon.

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  53. Alden says:
    @nsa
    Anyone remember the Zebra murders of the 1970s in and around San Francisco? Teams of Black Muslim members targeted and killed whites at random, maybe murdering as many as 250.....no one really knows how many. Racial motivation was ruled out from the beginning, harming the police investigation. In fact, two affirmative action afro detectives ratted out police progress to the local mosque. Right up to the time of the trial, racial hatred was still being denied by the authorities. One young gay guy was kidnapped, tortured, his hands and feet lopped off while alive, then decapitated and trussed up with wire like a thanksgiving day turkey ready for the pan. While race was being ruled out as the motivation, asians and afros were interviewed and openly stated they weren't fearful and worried, as only whites were being targeted.....with more than a few sniggering (like that word?) that whitey deserved it.

    I was a San Francisco Probation Officer at the time and Thank God we lived in Marin.

    The papers kept it very, very quiet. The news was actually spread by word of mouth. The killers committed some of the killings in front of witnesses just to show Whitey how powerful they were.

    The police were told to stand down at first. But as word spread the restaurant and entertainment industry realized that the normal weekend business was at a standstill The suburbanites stayed home and San Franciscans ran home after work and stayed home.
    Then the tourist trade dropped. At which point the tourism business and chamber of commerce told the Mayor it had to stop.

    By 1972 the police department was filled with black women clerks administrators and dispatchers as well as men and women black officers. Most were ready to help the black Muslims.
    The 1970 census had the black population as 11 percent. The San Francisco criminal’s were about 98 percent black.

    There were only about 1,500 blacks in San Francisco n the 1930s. But then they were brought in to work in the shipyards and port in WW2 and unleashed a storm of crime

    Excellent websites to read about black crime are Council of Conservative Citizens, amren.com, theconservativetreehouse.com daily kenn. If you want to read a real horror story that was covered up by national media Google Jessica chambers at conservative treehouse

    As former law enforcement my advice if you want to stay safe in cities is: 2 black men are probably ok, but 3 or more black men are almost always a mugging gang rape team

    Advice for women from a 5ft 3 115 pd woman. Tuck a plastic grocery bag in your purse. As soon as it gets dark, or near a dark neighborhood, put the purse in the grocery bag

    Check the cars behind you night and day in case a criminal follows you. When you get home check the street sidewalks and yards before you get out of the car.

    Best of all, just abandon the cities to the blacks and the Jews who love them so much and live and work in all White suburbs

    Remember, White flight is White revenge!!!

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  54. Alden says:
    @Anonymous

    Mr. Derbyshire,
    By your own account, this crime was committed by a gang of dimwitted black young men. The majority of Black Americans are far more interested in attaining a comfortable lifestyle similar to yours and many middle class folks. That crushing poverty continues to afflict large numbers of African Americans is a symptom of the racist attitude that you and your cohorts continue to nurture and promote. I am neither American nor Black, and so it seems to me that America would be far better off if you were to go back to your place of origin and let real patriotic Americans make America great again for their fellow blacks and whites. Please!
     
    Agreed. This kind of stuff Derb writes about serves no purpose but to generate paranoia and racism. Even though most criminal predators are are black, they are only a small fraction of the overall black population. Why doesn't Derb write about the much more pernicious minority group that drags us into trillion-dollar wars and is a enemy of Christian culture?? Oh, never mind, I know.

    Plenty of people write about Jews and their agenda. Derb writes about a variety of subjects.

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  55. @Bill

    Even though most criminal predators are are black, they are only a small fraction of the overall black population.
     
    No. More than one in four black males spends time in prison during their lifetime. It's far from a small minority.

    Why doesn’t Derb write about the much more pernicious minority group that drags us into trillion-dollar wars and is a enemy of Christian culture??
     
    He's explained that: fear and then habit.

    Consider that some proportion of those who commit violent crimes are apprehended. Consider that some proportion of those are arraigned, and charged. Some proportion of those actually stand trial. Some proportion of those are convicted. And finally, some proportion of those ever serve time.

    If one out of four black males serves time, it’s definitely understating the situation.

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    It's more like 35, 38 percent.
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  56. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    If you speak honestly about black violence, you will be accused of ‘hate speech’.

    HONEST SPEECH is ‘hate speech’ in the west.

    That’s the best that the GLOB can do. Having no ideas left and no facts on their side, they want to shut down free debate by mewling and yelping about ‘hate’.

    Yeah, HONEST SPEECH or TRUTH-SPEECH is hate speech in that it hates mendacity, duplicity, hypocrisy, cowardice, and cravenness.

    We need MORE Truth Speech, not less.

    But the PC GLOB is so precious. They got their fancy Haute Speech.

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  57. @Anon
    Mr. Derbyshire,
    By your own account, this crime was committed by a gang of dimwitted black young men. The majority of Black Americans are far more interested in attaining a comfortable lifestyle similar to yours and many middle class folks. That crushing poverty continues to afflict large numbers of African Americans is a symptom of the racist attitude that you and your cohorts continue to nurture and promote. I am neither American nor Black, and so it seems to me that America would be far better off if you were to go back to your place of origin and let real patriotic Americans make America great again for their fellow blacks and whites. Please!

    “By your own account, this crime was committed by a gang of dimwitted black young men.”

    His account shows that it was an equal number of women AND men. You must be sexist.

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  58. bomag says:
    @Truth
    LOL, the first 400 years post Columbus, in the Western Hemisphere was a "racial gang attack"

    the first 400 years post Columbus, in the Western Hemisphere was a “racial gang attack”

    Then we need more of those type of “racial gang attacks”, since they led to more civilizational attainment, unlike the current “racial gang atttacks”, which just makes things worse.

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    "Then we need more of those type of “racial gang attacks”, since they led to more civilizational attainment."

    Africans and Asians were living in their own civilizations they themselves built, albeit not as technologically as advanced, compared to Europeans on the dawn of the Age of Exploration. Regardless, these groups met the definition of civilization and being civilized.
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  59. @Truth
    LOL, the first 400 years post Columbus, in the Western Hemisphere was a "racial gang attack"

    And pre-Columbian America was a love-in. So tired of you ignorant turd-suckers.

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    Never said it was
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  60. @Realist
    "One the top (black) jazz stars stated a few years ago that it was heartbreaking for him to look out at an audience and see only white faces."

    He charged too much, blacks couldn't afford the ticket price.

    ” He charged too much, blacks couldn’t afford the ticket price”

    Nonsense = The Detroit jazz fest, one of the top world-wide charges no admission, all shows are free.

    Look I am, myself, a jazz player with over fifty years on the bandstand, my last gig was sunday past, and I know what I am talking about = Jazz music is sadly not appreciated in the black community anymore, with the exception of a few kids in school programs who are studying it , and older folks who never disconnected from it.

    If you would ask the majority of young blacks in their twenties who Charlie Parker or Wes Montgomery were, you would get a blank stare and puzzlement, but they would be able to list all of the rap-thugs name by name.

    Authenticjazzman, “Mensa” society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.

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    A lot of the great rock gods of the 60s and 70s started off life as jazz musicians (e.g., Ginger Baker, just to pick one). Some as bluegrass musicians, Jerry Garcia. I can't help but wonder if the general decline of rock music isn't in some way related to the decline of these other forms. I go to jazz shows from time to time, but the musicians are overwhelmingly white.
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  61. bomag says:
    @Truth

    The Whites who colonized America would have become rich and made a success of it with or without African slave labour.
     
    Then why did they spend so much time, money and resources, acquiring and breeding it?




    And from now, you will address me as Sir if you wish to be graced with a response.
     
    You got it; Sir Numbnutz.

    Then why did they spend so much time, money and resources, acquiring and breeding it?

    History is littered with failed economic efforts. This is one of them.

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  62. @Truth
    LOL, the first 400 years post Columbus, in the Western Hemisphere was a "racial gang attack"

    LOL, the first 400 years

    LOL, always living in the past.

    No one gives a shit about your opinion about that blacks had it the worst of non-white groups. It’s an ultimately meaningless concept.

    Move on or move back.

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    Yeah. Hey, what's OJ doing this week?
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  63. WJ says:
    @Truth
    Well I'm going to have to quarrel with you a bit there, Son; America is a melting pot in which one group so graciously volunteered it's land, and a group of others, one especially, so graciously volunteered their labor to make a third group rich. and a small degree of benefit trickled down to SOME of the other groups, but, it was, in totality a group effort. That's why damn near any European (including the one who wrote the article)100 years ago, 50 years ago, or now, would have given his eye teeth, to leave his lilly-white hometown to move here amongst the Beaners and Knee-grows.

    And BTW, the only boy relevant to you right now, Johnniekins, is your mom, she's calling you to go upstairs and exfoliate her back hairs.

    Do you believe the immigrants from the west, that crossed the Bering land bridge, did so, harmoniously, peacefully and in an organized fashion? Of course not. They killed, raped, and robbed their fellow “aboriginals” and pushed the weaker tribes to other areas. How else would some loser tribe end up in Patagonia?

    Perhaps if those very first immigrants from the west had better organizational skills , better technology, or heck, if they would have even had had horses they could have resisted the immigrants from the east better.

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    Everything you know about practically everything, fossil fuels, the space program, the ball earth, dinosaurs, is fiction.
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  64. Agent76 says:

    Aug 21, 2016 Just Say No: Don’t Federalize Local Police!

    Some people want you to think that the solution to problems with police is to get the federal government more involved. But they’ve got things completely backwards.

    June 16, 2016 Supreme Court Ruling: Police Have No Duty to Protect the General Public

    However, did you know that the government, and specifically law enforcement, does not have any duty to protect the general public? Based on the headline and this information, you might assume this is a new, landmark decision. However, it has long been the court’s stance that, essentially, the American people are responsible for taking case of their own personal safety.

    http://tribunist.com/news/supreme-court-ruling-police-have-no-duty-to-protect-the-general-public/

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    One of the things my elder friend use to tell me was..."The police are there to uphold the law, not protect you."

    I like the idea of sending some of those old folks into schools to tell the kids a few things, before they get some of these wrongheaded notions put into them.
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  65. @Anon
    "I still think you’re suffering from a failure of imagination in trying to understand how intellectually empty their world is, and way overestimating their mental furniture. Mississippi Burning? Maya Angelou? Maybe theres a chance they were exposed to some of that in school but honestly I doubt it. And even if they were shown that stuff I’m sure they absorbed nil."

    You're right. The average black thug knows or cares none of that stuff. They kind of movies they watch is Booty-Call movies. Their music is rap, rap, rap.

    Stuff like MISSISSIPPI BURNING has influence of white elites and black elites. It fills whitey with 'guilt' and paralysis. And it fills black elites with righteous moral rage, and as such, they are always in blame-whitey mode than honestly dealing with problems in the black community.

    Also, if indeed mass media are the reason for black hostility, why do blacks attack ALL races. Lots of blacks attack blacks as well as whites. And they attack browns, Muslims, Asians, Jews, and etc as well as whites. Hollywood movies don't show Mexican slave-owners of blacks(even though there were some), yet there's a lot of black on brown violence. And mass media and education don't feature yellows as oppressors of blacks, but blacks attack yellows too.
    And Jewish Hollywood has been featuring Jews as best friends of blacks, but there's a lot of black on Jewish hostility too.

    Among the black elites, it has to do with resentment. But black elites don't strike out in violence. They might apologize for the violence of black thugs, but they themselves are not violent.

    As for black thugs, they are just impulsive, aggressive, and wild due to evolutionary reasons. Many black Africans act the same way. To be sure, some Africans are better behaved because they grew up in villages where youngsters are forced to respect elders. If they don't, they get whupped bad. So, they got some manners.

    But blacks in America are the result of family breakdown from too much freedom and welfare. And they run wild with their savage nature. And they know they are tougher than other races. They know they can whup whitey, brownie, yellowie, Jewie, Arabie, Hinduie, and etc. There are exceptions where non-whites whup blacks, but the chances are blacks will have the advantage.

    Also, rap culture promotes crazy violence, and of course, this fuels much of black-on-black violence.

    Also, rap culture promotes crazy violence, and of course, this fuels much of black-on-black violence.

    And who/what promotes “rap?”

    This article could be totally bogus. On the other hand…

    “…the [media] companies we work for had invested millions into the building of privately owned prisons …[they] recieved funding from the government based on the number of inmates. The more inmates, the more money the government would pay these prisons.

    Our job would be to help make this happen by marketing music which promotes criminal behavior, rap being the music of choice.”

    http://worldtruth.tv/the-secret-meeting-that-changed-rap-music-and-destroyed-a-generation/

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    I can believe a conspiracy like that existed, but you don't need to conspire to get blacks to commit crimes. Just like you don't need advertising whizzes to get people to want fatty foods. You need them to get people into McDonald's, specifically, or to get blacks to listen to rapper X. It's sorta like the CIA and crack, which blacks like to talk about. Okay, let's say Ollie North hand-delivered it to the streets of L.A. You didn't have to smoke it.

    The need is already inside them. Or a result of social and historical causes to complex for me to summarize. Some combination thereof.

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  66. Agent76 says:

    January 4, 2017 US Cops Killed 230 Times More People than their British Counterparts in 2016

    Police in England killed a total of 4 people in all of 2016. Cops in America killed 230 times more than them, coming in with a total of 1,152 lives taken. If this doesn’t say, ‘hey we have a problem,’ what does? Already, only four days into 2017, American cops have killed two times as many people as England has in the entire year of 2016. But America has a much larger population and therefore these numbers don’t matter, right? Wrong. China, whose population is 4 and 1/2 times the size of the United States, recorded a single killing by law enforcement officers in 2016.

    http://thefreethoughtproject.com/cops-america-killed-230-times-people-british-counterparts/#d4hF3VBkUwt1Grfv.99

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    US Cops Killed 230 Times More People than their British Counterparts
     
    The answer is that there are not as many violent afros in other nations.
    Federalizing the police is the goal of many leftist who want to criminalize normal people and decriminalize violent afro american felons. The SCOTUS case you discussed earlier is to get the government off the hook for not protecting people from afro american thugs in general. But that also misses the point because if violent afro american felons were incarcerated properly then there would be less need for police intervention in general.

    Unfortunately urban policing have been shut down against violent afro american violence in the cities (and if you grew up there you would understand what I am talking about in this respect), and troopers/suburban/rural police departments have been turned into revenue agents to sustain the unsustainable government budgets.

    But this is the real problem: I judge police shootings on the same basis as if a civilian did it, would it be reasonable and justified. That is because if they take away the police ability to use justified use of force to protect their own life (that everyone has a rational self interest in) then this will also apply to the rest of us as well.

    Case in point is the Trayvon Martin case. What the MSM refused to emphasize was that is was highly unlikely that Zim received the blows to the back of his head (by Tray banging Zims head against the pavement - - which is deadly force capable of causing death and or serious injury) after he fatally shot Tray. Thus Zim was justified in defending his own life even if he initiated contact with Tray (Tray was the first to escalate the confrontation to deadly force level). Zim had a rational self interest to protect his own life.

    The right to self defense is a fundamental right that should not be taken away from any segment of society, and it is so self evident that only a delusional lib can dispute it.

    , @anon
    America has more violent criminals - so they have more violent cops.

    Fix the criminals and the cops will change.

    (coz laziness)
    , @Diversity Heretic
    Make the population of any country on planet Earth 10% feral Negroes, and watch what happens to the number of law enforcement shootings (assuming accurate reporting).
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  67. David says:

    I don’t know anything about City Journal or Heather Mac Donald except this hate-fact filled commentary on interracial violence in the United States that Memorandum posted yesterday. I now love Heather.

    http://www.city-journal.org/html/window-depraved-culture-14929.html

    For example, she writes, “In 2012, blacks committed 560,600 acts of violence against whites, and whites committed 99,403 acts of violence against blacks, according to data from the National Crime Victimization Survey…”

    She discribes Coates’ Between the World and Me as “acclaimed phantasmagoria of racial victimology.”

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    she's great
    , @PV van der Byl
    If you've only just come across Heather McDonald, you have a great deal of catching up to do.

    But, you'll really enjoy reading her stuff!

    She started out a real liberal with sterling Establishment/SWPL credentials: Yale BA, Cambridge MA, Stanford JD. But she saw the light not too many years after moving to NYC.

    Much of her best writing is available on the website of the City Journal, the quarterly publication of the Manhattan Institute.
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  68. @Truth
    LOL, the first 400 years post Columbus, in the Western Hemisphere was a "racial gang attack"

    fair enough. This observation could lead to the idea that current absurd levels of black on white levels are morally justified. The question remains: for how long? 400 years? Forever?
    Also the colonial history does not morally justify black on asian, black on hispanic violence etc.

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  69. Truth says:
    @Craig Nelsen
    And pre-Columbian America was a love-in. So tired of you ignorant turd-suckers.

    Never said it was

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  70. Truth says:
    @A narco capitalist
    LOL, the first 400 years

    LOL, always living in the past.

    No one gives a shit about your opinion about that blacks had it the worst of non-white groups. It's an ultimately meaningless concept.

    Move on or move back.

    Yeah. Hey, what’s OJ doing this week?

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  71. Truth says:
    @WJ
    Do you believe the immigrants from the west, that crossed the Bering land bridge, did so, harmoniously, peacefully and in an organized fashion? Of course not. They killed, raped, and robbed their fellow "aboriginals" and pushed the weaker tribes to other areas. How else would some loser tribe end up in Patagonia?

    Perhaps if those very first immigrants from the west had better organizational skills , better technology, or heck, if they would have even had had horses they could have resisted the immigrants from the east better.

    Everything you know about practically everything, fossil fuels, the space program, the ball earth, dinosaurs, is fiction.

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  72. Okay the most impacting element of the whole racial malaise being a seemingly trivial unaddressed aspec, however it is the bottom line cause of what is happening in the black community and this being the
    “Ideal” most strived for amongst young black males.

    This most strived after ideal state amongst young black males being the condition of :

    BAD.

    This is the ideal state for which countless young black males are living and breathing, for the attainment of the state of BAD, and the possibility of landing in jail really doesn’t steer them away for the goal of reaching this state as the state of BADness is only enhanced, crazy as it sounds, through the state of imprisonment.

    And of course the state of bad is most prominently exhibited by the thug-rappers which set the behavioral tone for young black folks.

    Authenticjazzman, “Mensa” society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.

    PS approx thirty years ago a fellow musician ( black) informed myself that I know more about black people than any white guy he had ever encountered.

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    Being bad seems to rely in part on an over-reliance on, or dependency on, a purely transactional approach to life. Each encounter, transaction or interaction has to be won, points scored, impressions made. That seems to me to represent an extreme case of favoring the present over the future. That includes virtually no consideration of investment in future outcomes beyond an impression left. That may be known by other names, such as time-preference. What would break someone out of such a reliance on presentism?
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  73. Those four look like the (S&S) state-sponsored GB GVT ads. All dindus, one raghead, one White Woman & not one White Man, despite White Men providing the tax money for it.

    #BoycottLloydsBank

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  74. nsa says:

    It is always fun watching the vile filthy lefties react when two protected diversity groups have a go at one another. Four afro predators torturing a disabled white (disability trumps afro), a muzzie shooting up a Florida gay bar (gay trumps muzzie), ghetto rats pillaging a Korean liquor store (toss up), female raped by illegal (tough call), etc. Out here, we had some brave warriors of the Makah tribe insist on realizing their traditional Indian values. They decided it was within their rights to murder a gray whale to appease the great earth mother. So they located a traditional war canoe, loaded the harpoons, and set out…….just kidding. They actually mounted a 50 cal single shot to the bow of a Bayliner, loaded up a couple cases of Ice House, and set to sea…..amidst the cheers of their 300 pound womenfolk in tavern jackets waving hankies. The victim was quickly located, minding its own business feeding on plankton. But being Indians, they of coursed made a botch of it……wounding the hapless critter…..which headed out to sea while being tracked by the coast guard. The Indians turned around…probably out of swill. The critter lasted 24 hours and then succumbed, sounding for the last time. Over in vile repulsive leftie Seattle, the cog diss was massive. In the end, they came down on the side of the indigenous vermin, who thereby avoided prosecution……you see, in loathsome leftie Diversity World, indigenous trumps whale.

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  75. Corvinus says:
    @bomag

    the first 400 years post Columbus, in the Western Hemisphere was a “racial gang attack”
     
    Then we need more of those type of "racial gang attacks", since they led to more civilizational attainment, unlike the current "racial gang atttacks", which just makes things worse.

    “Then we need more of those type of “racial gang attacks”, since they led to more civilizational attainment.”

    Africans and Asians were living in their own civilizations they themselves built, albeit not as technologically as advanced, compared to Europeans on the dawn of the Age of Exploration. Regardless, these groups met the definition of civilization and being civilized.

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    ...were living in their own civilizations they themselves built
     
    I'll grant what you said. I was responding the moral equivalence argument and the rather facetious notion that today's racial gang attacks are going to lead to any type of improvement in the situation.
    , @Lurker

    Africans and Asians were living in their own civilizations they themselves built
     
    And they still can. So from tomorrow morning I'll expect to see no more new arrivals and the rest of them heading home.
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  76. joef says:
    @Agent76
    January 4, 2017 US Cops Killed 230 Times More People than their British Counterparts in 2016

    Police in England killed a total of 4 people in all of 2016. Cops in America killed 230 times more than them, coming in with a total of 1,152 lives taken. If this doesn’t say, ‘hey we have a problem,’ what does? Already, only four days into 2017, American cops have killed two times as many people as England has in the entire year of 2016. But America has a much larger population and therefore these numbers don’t matter, right? Wrong. China, whose population is 4 and 1/2 times the size of the United States, recorded a single killing by law enforcement officers in 2016.

    http://thefreethoughtproject.com/cops-america-killed-230-times-people-british-counterparts/#d4hF3VBkUwt1Grfv.99

    US Cops Killed 230 Times More People than their British Counterparts

    The answer is that there are not as many violent afros in other nations.
    Federalizing the police is the goal of many leftist who want to criminalize normal people and decriminalize violent afro american felons. The SCOTUS case you discussed earlier is to get the government off the hook for not protecting people from afro american thugs in general. But that also misses the point because if violent afro american felons were incarcerated properly then there would be less need for police intervention in general.

    Unfortunately urban policing have been shut down against violent afro american violence in the cities (and if you grew up there you would understand what I am talking about in this respect), and troopers/suburban/rural police departments have been turned into revenue agents to sustain the unsustainable government budgets.

    But this is the real problem: I judge police shootings on the same basis as if a civilian did it, would it be reasonable and justified. That is because if they take away the police ability to use justified use of force to protect their own life (that everyone has a rational self interest in) then this will also apply to the rest of us as well.

    Case in point is the Trayvon Martin case. What the MSM refused to emphasize was that is was highly unlikely that Zim received the blows to the back of his head (by Tray banging Zims head against the pavement – – which is deadly force capable of causing death and or serious injury) after he fatally shot Tray. Thus Zim was justified in defending his own life even if he initiated contact with Tray (Tray was the first to escalate the confrontation to deadly force level). Zim had a rational self interest to protect his own life.

    The right to self defense is a fundamental right that should not be taken away from any segment of society, and it is so self evident that only a delusional lib can dispute it.

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  77. @Alden
    I've never known a black who was even aware of jazz. The audience is composed of pompous, pretentious White liberals. I doubt they like the music for itself but because supposedly it was created by blacks.
    But there were as many Whites as blacks involved.

    “I’ve never known a black who was even aware of jazz, the audience is composed of pompous , pretentious white liberals”.

    This statement is beyond rediculous, and myself as a jazz player with over fifty years on the bandstand can state that white liberals do not make up the majority of jazz audiences, rather, strange as it sounds, conservative white business types make up the majority of informed jazz fans, of course if it is presented in a university setting the audience will be composed of mostly leftists.

    Regarding blacks not being aware of jazz : yes this is now sadly true, however forty years ago they were, along with white folks, avid fans of jazz music, and considered it an achievement of their own race, and this mind-set has been lost to the takeover of black entertainment by rap-thugs with their, you can’t even call it music, violent garbage

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” society member of forty-plus yeras and pro jazz artist.

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    I didn't mean to denigrate jazz music itself. It's just that the only people I've ever met who listen to jazz are pompous pretentious old White liberals. And they seem far more admiring of the fact that blacks created it than the music itself.
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  78. Corvinus says:
    @Jim
    The 2-R allele of the MAOA gene has a frequency of 5.5% among US black males, about .1-.2% among US white males and essentially 0% among Northeast Asian males.

    “The 2-R allele of the MAOA gene has a frequency of 5.5% among US black males, about .1-.2% among US white males and essentially 0% among Northeast Asian males.”

    Tell the entire story.

    https://scientiasalon.wordpress.com/2014/07/31/the-extreme-warrior-gene-a-reality-check/

    Over the past 12 years research on MAOA genes has examined how low-activity gene variants interact with environmental factors to influence violence and other antisocial behaviors. In 2002, Avshalom Caspi, then at King’s College in London, and his colleagues published their landmark study. Caspi’s team reported that adults with the low-expression MAOA who were mistreated as children were more prone to developing antisocial problems later in life. But maltreated children with the high-activity variant were less likely to engage in delinquent or criminal activities. It seems low-activity MAOA variants make people more responsive to abuse.

    MAOA-3R — the “original warrior gene” — was the first gene linked with antisocial characteristics. But Maori were not the only ethnic group with a high frequency of this variant. It turned out that while 3R was found in 56% of Maori males, it occurred in 58% of African American males and 34% of European males. Misinterpreted by the media, the 3R variant quickly became a lead character in a pop science narrative intended to explain why certain racial groups appear to have increased tendencies toward violence. When a disproportionately high number of males of an ethnic group carries a less common gene linked with aggressive behaviors, the discussion about that gene immediately takes on racial overtones.

    Interestingly, the press ignored studies indicating that the 3R variant occurred in 61% of Taiwanese males and 56% of Chinese males.

    In 2008, University of North Carolina sociologist Guang Guo and his colleagues found that antisocial behaviors in male youth were associated with three genes — low-activity MAOA variants and two dopamine-related genes. But it was 2R — the “extreme warrior gene” — that captivated researchers searching for a still illusive genetic basis of criminal predispositions. Guo’s team analyzed data on male youth from Add Health — a national sample of adolescents in grades 7-12. Their findings showed that the rare variant, 2R, was correlated with higher levels of self-reported serious and violent delinquency. The association was also observed in females, but it was too weak to merit further study.

    More recently, Beaver’s team has focused only on the 2R variant rather than the low-expression variants combined [6, 7]. He and his colleagues have discovered that African American males carrying 2R were more likely to be involved in extreme violence — shooting and stabbing — than African American men with other MAOA variants. The relationship between the rare MAOA version and antisocial behaviors has raised eyebrows because, quite simply, this gene is not distributed equally across ethnic groups. In the Add Health database, 5.5% of African American men, 0.9% of Caucasian men, and 0.00067% of Asian men have 2R. (No information is currently available on the frequency of 2R in males of African black descent outside the United States.)

    Since the rare MAOA variant is virtually non-existent in whites, all of the males in Beaver’s study were black Americans.

    Part of the skepticism surrounding Beaver’s studies may lie in popular misinterpretations of his research. As Beaver explains, “It is probably correct to assume that social behaviors are due to gene-environment interaction. But statistical models are quantifying variance — that is, they are looking at differences between persons. Why an individual turns out a certain way might be due to gene-environment interaction. But person-to-person differences do not always result from gene-environment interaction. The reason that people vary in criminal propensities could be due to only genetics, only environments, or either of these free from gene-environment interaction.”

    Beaver’s findings may shed light on whether a single gene might underlie individual differences in criminal tendencies. So far, his investigations have targeted only African American males because too few whites carry the rare MAOA variant to include them. The rates of 2R are more than five times higher in African American males than in American white males, at least in the Add Health sample. Beaver claims that 2R alone may be strong enough to account for a significant amount of violent behavior in African American men.

    But he doesn’t think this rare gene version explains all of the variation between men who have and don’t have severe antisocial traits. As he puts it, “Even if MAOA-2R is causally linked with antisocial behaviors, it is not common enough in African Americans to solely account for crime rates in blacks”.

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    But he doesn’t think this rare gene version explains all of the variation between men who have and don’t have severe antisocial traits. As he puts it, “Even if MAOA-2R is causally linked with antisocial behaviors, it is not common enough in African Americans to solely account for crime rates in blacks”.
     
    Classic. Because it doesn't explain all the variation or solely account for crime rates in blacks it must not matter.

    And you endorse this pathetic reasoning, Corvinus. That says a lot.

    Not to mention rejecting "Even if MAOA-2R is causally linked with antisocial behaviors" as relevant. At least these people make their bias obvious.
    , @anon

    But he doesn’t think this rare gene version explains all of the variation between men who have and don’t have severe antisocial traits. As he puts it, “Even if MAOA-2R is causally linked with antisocial behaviors, it is not common enough in African Americans to solely account for crime rates in blacks”.
     
    Yes - I'd agree there's zero chance that a single gene could explain violence as a whole (and personally think it will turn out to be the *balance* of violence and restraint genes) but having one example with such a strong association should have sparked massive research in the whole area - but it didn't, cos PC.
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  79. res says:
    @Corvinus
    "The 2-R allele of the MAOA gene has a frequency of 5.5% among US black males, about .1-.2% among US white males and essentially 0% among Northeast Asian males."

    Tell the entire story.

    https://scientiasalon.wordpress.com/2014/07/31/the-extreme-warrior-gene-a-reality-check/

    Over the past 12 years research on MAOA genes has examined how low-activity gene variants interact with environmental factors to influence violence and other antisocial behaviors. In 2002, Avshalom Caspi, then at King’s College in London, and his colleagues published their landmark study. Caspi’s team reported that adults with the low-expression MAOA who were mistreated as children were more prone to developing antisocial problems later in life. But maltreated children with the high-activity variant were less likely to engage in delinquent or criminal activities. It seems low-activity MAOA variants make people more responsive to abuse.

    MAOA-3R — the “original warrior gene” — was the first gene linked with antisocial characteristics. But Maori were not the only ethnic group with a high frequency of this variant. It turned out that while 3R was found in 56% of Maori males, it occurred in 58% of African American males and 34% of European males. Misinterpreted by the media, the 3R variant quickly became a lead character in a pop science narrative intended to explain why certain racial groups appear to have increased tendencies toward violence. When a disproportionately high number of males of an ethnic group carries a less common gene linked with aggressive behaviors, the discussion about that gene immediately takes on racial overtones.

    Interestingly, the press ignored studies indicating that the 3R variant occurred in 61% of Taiwanese males and 56% of Chinese males.

    In 2008, University of North Carolina sociologist Guang Guo and his colleagues found that antisocial behaviors in male youth were associated with three genes — low-activity MAOA variants and two dopamine-related genes. But it was 2R — the “extreme warrior gene” — that captivated researchers searching for a still illusive genetic basis of criminal predispositions. Guo’s team analyzed data on male youth from Add Health — a national sample of adolescents in grades 7-12. Their findings showed that the rare variant, 2R, was correlated with higher levels of self-reported serious and violent delinquency. The association was also observed in females, but it was too weak to merit further study.

    More recently, Beaver’s team has focused only on the 2R variant rather than the low-expression variants combined [6, 7]. He and his colleagues have discovered that African American males carrying 2R were more likely to be involved in extreme violence — shooting and stabbing — than African American men with other MAOA variants. The relationship between the rare MAOA version and antisocial behaviors has raised eyebrows because, quite simply, this gene is not distributed equally across ethnic groups. In the Add Health database, 5.5% of African American men, 0.9% of Caucasian men, and 0.00067% of Asian men have 2R. (No information is currently available on the frequency of 2R in males of African black descent outside the United States.)

    Since the rare MAOA variant is virtually non-existent in whites, all of the males in Beaver’s study were black Americans.

    Part of the skepticism surrounding Beaver’s studies may lie in popular misinterpretations of his research. As Beaver explains, “It is probably correct to assume that social behaviors are due to gene-environment interaction. But statistical models are quantifying variance — that is, they are looking at differences between persons. Why an individual turns out a certain way might be due to gene-environment interaction. But person-to-person differences do not always result from gene-environment interaction. The reason that people vary in criminal propensities could be due to only genetics, only environments, or either of these free from gene-environment interaction."

    Beaver’s findings may shed light on whether a single gene might underlie individual differences in criminal tendencies. So far, his investigations have targeted only African American males because too few whites carry the rare MAOA variant to include them. The rates of 2R are more than five times higher in African American males than in American white males, at least in the Add Health sample. Beaver claims that 2R alone may be strong enough to account for a significant amount of violent behavior in African American men.

    But he doesn’t think this rare gene version explains all of the variation between men who have and don’t have severe antisocial traits. As he puts it, “Even if MAOA-2R is causally linked with antisocial behaviors, it is not common enough in African Americans to solely account for crime rates in blacks”.

    But he doesn’t think this rare gene version explains all of the variation between men who have and don’t have severe antisocial traits. As he puts it, “Even if MAOA-2R is causally linked with antisocial behaviors, it is not common enough in African Americans to solely account for crime rates in blacks”.

    Classic. Because it doesn’t explain all the variation or solely account for crime rates in blacks it must not matter.

    And you endorse this pathetic reasoning, Corvinus. That says a lot.

    Not to mention rejecting “Even if MAOA-2R is causally linked with antisocial behaviors” as relevant. At least these people make their bias obvious.

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    "Classic. Because it doesn’t explain all the variation or solely account for crime rates in blacks it must not matter."

    It matters, just not that much, as stated by the author of the study.

    "And you endorse this pathetic reasoning, Corvinus. That says a lot."

    You have to prove that his reasoning is flawed.
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  80. @anon
    I still think you're suffering from a failure of imagination in trying to understand how intellectually empty their world is, and way overestimating their mental furniture. Mississippi Burning? Maya Angelou? Maybe theres a chance they were exposed to some of that in school but honestly I doubt it. And even if they were shown that stuff I'm sure they absorbed nil.

    More likely the media they consume is trash TV and 106 and Park / BET, local gangsta rap about selling drugs, murder and respeck, and if there was any news it would be a rare morsel in a Facebook feed that to us would appear almost completely unintelligible.

    I listen to Bay Area rap music and therefore see these peoples instagram profiles. They live in an eternal present that is very much disconnected from ANY abstract ideas. The most shallow materialism, babies, liquor, weed, where they stand in the social hierarchy. That is what fills these peoples days. They're not really political people, either. I'm sure those 4 had never voted.

    They live in an eternal present that is very much disconnected from ANY abstract ideas.

    Years ago it struck me how the Lost Boys in the Peter Pan stories model how many blacks live, minus the drugs, sex and senseless “music,” of course. Blacks’ bodies mature earlier than whites’ bodies, but their minds clearly don’t.

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  81. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Agent76
    January 4, 2017 US Cops Killed 230 Times More People than their British Counterparts in 2016

    Police in England killed a total of 4 people in all of 2016. Cops in America killed 230 times more than them, coming in with a total of 1,152 lives taken. If this doesn’t say, ‘hey we have a problem,’ what does? Already, only four days into 2017, American cops have killed two times as many people as England has in the entire year of 2016. But America has a much larger population and therefore these numbers don’t matter, right? Wrong. China, whose population is 4 and 1/2 times the size of the United States, recorded a single killing by law enforcement officers in 2016.

    http://thefreethoughtproject.com/cops-america-killed-230-times-people-british-counterparts/#d4hF3VBkUwt1Grfv.99

    America has more violent criminals – so they have more violent cops.

    Fix the criminals and the cops will change.

    (coz laziness)

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  82. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @David
    I don't know anything about City Journal or Heather Mac Donald except this hate-fact filled commentary on interracial violence in the United States that Memorandum posted yesterday. I now love Heather.

    http://www.city-journal.org/html/window-depraved-culture-14929.html

    For example, she writes, "In 2012, blacks committed 560,600 acts of violence against whites, and whites committed 99,403 acts of violence against blacks, according to data from the National Crime Victimization Survey..."

    She discribes Coates' Between the World and Me as "acclaimed phantasmagoria of racial victimology."

    she’s great

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  83. @Anon
    Mr. Derbyshire,
    By your own account, this crime was committed by a gang of dimwitted black young men. The majority of Black Americans are far more interested in attaining a comfortable lifestyle similar to yours and many middle class folks. That crushing poverty continues to afflict large numbers of African Americans is a symptom of the racist attitude that you and your cohorts continue to nurture and promote. I am neither American nor Black, and so it seems to me that America would be far better off if you were to go back to your place of origin and let real patriotic Americans make America great again for their fellow blacks and whites. Please!

    He spoke. And drank rapidly a glass of water.

    https://sites.google.com/site/theliteratureofpoetry/3

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  84. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Corvinus
    "The 2-R allele of the MAOA gene has a frequency of 5.5% among US black males, about .1-.2% among US white males and essentially 0% among Northeast Asian males."

    Tell the entire story.

    https://scientiasalon.wordpress.com/2014/07/31/the-extreme-warrior-gene-a-reality-check/

    Over the past 12 years research on MAOA genes has examined how low-activity gene variants interact with environmental factors to influence violence and other antisocial behaviors. In 2002, Avshalom Caspi, then at King’s College in London, and his colleagues published their landmark study. Caspi’s team reported that adults with the low-expression MAOA who were mistreated as children were more prone to developing antisocial problems later in life. But maltreated children with the high-activity variant were less likely to engage in delinquent or criminal activities. It seems low-activity MAOA variants make people more responsive to abuse.

    MAOA-3R — the “original warrior gene” — was the first gene linked with antisocial characteristics. But Maori were not the only ethnic group with a high frequency of this variant. It turned out that while 3R was found in 56% of Maori males, it occurred in 58% of African American males and 34% of European males. Misinterpreted by the media, the 3R variant quickly became a lead character in a pop science narrative intended to explain why certain racial groups appear to have increased tendencies toward violence. When a disproportionately high number of males of an ethnic group carries a less common gene linked with aggressive behaviors, the discussion about that gene immediately takes on racial overtones.

    Interestingly, the press ignored studies indicating that the 3R variant occurred in 61% of Taiwanese males and 56% of Chinese males.

    In 2008, University of North Carolina sociologist Guang Guo and his colleagues found that antisocial behaviors in male youth were associated with three genes — low-activity MAOA variants and two dopamine-related genes. But it was 2R — the “extreme warrior gene” — that captivated researchers searching for a still illusive genetic basis of criminal predispositions. Guo’s team analyzed data on male youth from Add Health — a national sample of adolescents in grades 7-12. Their findings showed that the rare variant, 2R, was correlated with higher levels of self-reported serious and violent delinquency. The association was also observed in females, but it was too weak to merit further study.

    More recently, Beaver’s team has focused only on the 2R variant rather than the low-expression variants combined [6, 7]. He and his colleagues have discovered that African American males carrying 2R were more likely to be involved in extreme violence — shooting and stabbing — than African American men with other MAOA variants. The relationship between the rare MAOA version and antisocial behaviors has raised eyebrows because, quite simply, this gene is not distributed equally across ethnic groups. In the Add Health database, 5.5% of African American men, 0.9% of Caucasian men, and 0.00067% of Asian men have 2R. (No information is currently available on the frequency of 2R in males of African black descent outside the United States.)

    Since the rare MAOA variant is virtually non-existent in whites, all of the males in Beaver’s study were black Americans.

    Part of the skepticism surrounding Beaver’s studies may lie in popular misinterpretations of his research. As Beaver explains, “It is probably correct to assume that social behaviors are due to gene-environment interaction. But statistical models are quantifying variance — that is, they are looking at differences between persons. Why an individual turns out a certain way might be due to gene-environment interaction. But person-to-person differences do not always result from gene-environment interaction. The reason that people vary in criminal propensities could be due to only genetics, only environments, or either of these free from gene-environment interaction."

    Beaver’s findings may shed light on whether a single gene might underlie individual differences in criminal tendencies. So far, his investigations have targeted only African American males because too few whites carry the rare MAOA variant to include them. The rates of 2R are more than five times higher in African American males than in American white males, at least in the Add Health sample. Beaver claims that 2R alone may be strong enough to account for a significant amount of violent behavior in African American men.

    But he doesn’t think this rare gene version explains all of the variation between men who have and don’t have severe antisocial traits. As he puts it, “Even if MAOA-2R is causally linked with antisocial behaviors, it is not common enough in African Americans to solely account for crime rates in blacks”.

    But he doesn’t think this rare gene version explains all of the variation between men who have and don’t have severe antisocial traits. As he puts it, “Even if MAOA-2R is causally linked with antisocial behaviors, it is not common enough in African Americans to solely account for crime rates in blacks”.

    Yes – I’d agree there’s zero chance that a single gene could explain violence as a whole (and personally think it will turn out to be the *balance* of violence and restraint genes) but having one example with such a strong association should have sparked massive research in the whole area – but it didn’t, cos PC.

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    "but having one example with such a strong association should have sparked massive research in the whole area – but it didn’t, cos PC."

    Association, indeed. Correlation does NOT equal causation.
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  85. Joe Wong says:
    @Truth
    LOL, the first 400 years post Columbus, in the Western Hemisphere was a "racial gang attack"

    The first 400 years post Columbus, it was a “racial gang attack” all over the world and that racial gang attack has not stopped yet, only the excuses to white wash and gloss over the attack have changed, from overt White supremacy to democracy and human rights.

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    yes, white people have to stop trying to be nice or the desire for revenge from when we were bad will be inflicted on our grand-children

    you've convinced me - white debils need to go back to being debils
    , @Malcolm X-Lax
    War and conquest has been the way of the world since before recorded history. The conquerors one century became the conquered the next and vice versa. Don't blame white people for developing superior technology sooner. In other words, you're Wong, Joe.
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  86. Sam Shama says:
    @Svigor
    What was the history of the Slave Coast of Africa, in those 400 years? Makes American Blacks' woes look like chicken feed; no YT around to keep Blacks' evil in check. In fact, what's sub-Saharan Africa in general been like, since Columbus?

    Well I’m going to have to quarrel with you a bit there, Son; America is a melting pot in which one group so graciously volunteered it’s land, and a group of others, one especially, so graciously volunteered their labor to make a third group rich. and a small degree of benefit trickled down to SOME of the other groups, but, it was, in totality a group effort. That’s why damn near any European (including the one who wrote the article)100 years ago, 50 years ago, or now, would have given his eye teeth, to leave his lilly-white hometown to move here amongst the Beaners and Knee-grows.
     
    Mmm, no. Look at the living standard in Western Europe, vs. the living standard in sub-Saharan Africa. The ceiling of the sub-Saharan African contribution to America is seen in Sub-Saharan Africa. Same goes for the mestizos and their homelands.

    I suppose if a mule could talk, he'd talk like blacks do; claim his share of the credit, avoid his share of any blame, all while talking about how wrong it was that he was yoked (you know, during which time he made his mighty, involuntary contributions).

    On a whim, I looked at the respective population sizes of Whites in Africa and Blacks in Europe, and this is what I found:

    (1) Whites in Africa : 5.65 million https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Africans_of_European_ancestry

    (2) Blacks in Europe : less than 8 m + 2 m in U.K

    https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=black+population+in+Europe

    So, given the relative population sizes in each continent [Africa: 1.03 b, Europe: 738m]
    https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=total+populations+by+Continent ,

    it does not appear to be a badly unbalanced swap, never mind colonial history, economics and all sorts of annoying, insignificant details.

    Furthermore, if Blacks are so terrible, make a hash of everything they touch, their continent so bloody awful etc. what in the name of heavens are Whites doing there today?

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    Sorry, this was meant to be a general comment, not specifically written as a reply to Svigor
    , @bomag

    if Blacks are so terrible, make a hash of everything they touch, their continent so bloody awful etc. what in the name of heavens are Whites doing there today?
     
    Certainly there is room for improvement in Africa, and Whites can work that arbitrage.

    Blacks in Europe: not so much a force for improvement.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    You can do better than that Sam. You know very well that nearly all the Caucasians there who aren't missionaries or (mostly mining) entrepreneurs are in South Africa which had mostly whites and non Bantu blacks at the Cape for over 150 years and then had Afrikaner Orange Free State and Transvaal until modern money making from gold and diamonds caught up with them.

    As to those numbers you quote, you are a numerate person so try doing something with comparative fertility rates instead of giving succour to those who argue (not *entirely* incorrectly?) that multiculturalism is part if a Jewish strategy for undermining the old WASP or white Christian majority and ruling class, which stopped making sense perhaps 60 years ago....

    , @anon
    as usual, anti-white dishonest actors leave out out the age/gender proportions

    1 million 60 year olds != 1 million 18 year olds
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  87. Sam Shama says:
    @Sam Shama
    On a whim, I looked at the respective population sizes of Whites in Africa and Blacks in Europe, and this is what I found:

    (1) Whites in Africa : 5.65 million https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Africans_of_European_ancestry

    (2) Blacks in Europe : less than 8 m + 2 m in U.K
    https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=black+population+in+Europe

    So, given the relative population sizes in each continent [Africa: 1.03 b, Europe: 738m]
    https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=total+populations+by+Continent ,

    it does not appear to be a badly unbalanced swap, never mind colonial history, economics and all sorts of annoying, insignificant details.

    Furthermore, if Blacks are so terrible, make a hash of everything they touch, their continent so bloody awful etc. what in the name of heavens are Whites doing there today?

    Sorry, this was meant to be a general comment, not specifically written as a reply to Svigor

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  88. Ivy says:
    @Authenticjazzman
    Okay the most impacting element of the whole racial malaise being a seemingly trivial unaddressed aspec, however it is the bottom line cause of what is happening in the black community and this being the
    "Ideal" most strived for amongst young black males.

    This most strived after ideal state amongst young black males being the condition of :

    BAD.

    This is the ideal state for which countless young black males are living and breathing, for the attainment of the state of BAD, and the possibility of landing in jail really doesn't steer them away for the goal of reaching this state as the state of BADness is only enhanced, crazy as it sounds, through the state of imprisonment.

    And of course the state of bad is most prominently exhibited by the thug-rappers which set the behavioral tone for young black folks.

    Authenticjazzman, "Mensa" society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.

    PS approx thirty years ago a fellow musician ( black) informed myself that I know more about black people than any white guy he had ever encountered.

    Being bad seems to rely in part on an over-reliance on, or dependency on, a purely transactional approach to life. Each encounter, transaction or interaction has to be won, points scored, impressions made. That seems to me to represent an extreme case of favoring the present over the future. That includes virtually no consideration of investment in future outcomes beyond an impression left. That may be known by other names, such as time-preference. What would break someone out of such a reliance on presentism?

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  89. bomag says:
    @Corvinus
    "Then we need more of those type of “racial gang attacks”, since they led to more civilizational attainment."

    Africans and Asians were living in their own civilizations they themselves built, albeit not as technologically as advanced, compared to Europeans on the dawn of the Age of Exploration. Regardless, these groups met the definition of civilization and being civilized.

    …were living in their own civilizations they themselves built

    I’ll grant what you said. I was responding the moral equivalence argument and the rather facetious notion that today’s racial gang attacks are going to lead to any type of improvement in the situation.

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  90. bomag says:
    @Sam Shama
    On a whim, I looked at the respective population sizes of Whites in Africa and Blacks in Europe, and this is what I found:

    (1) Whites in Africa : 5.65 million https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Africans_of_European_ancestry

    (2) Blacks in Europe : less than 8 m + 2 m in U.K
    https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=black+population+in+Europe

    So, given the relative population sizes in each continent [Africa: 1.03 b, Europe: 738m]
    https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=total+populations+by+Continent ,

    it does not appear to be a badly unbalanced swap, never mind colonial history, economics and all sorts of annoying, insignificant details.

    Furthermore, if Blacks are so terrible, make a hash of everything they touch, their continent so bloody awful etc. what in the name of heavens are Whites doing there today?

    if Blacks are so terrible, make a hash of everything they touch, their continent so bloody awful etc. what in the name of heavens are Whites doing there today?

    Certainly there is room for improvement in Africa, and Whites can work that arbitrage.

    Blacks in Europe: not so much a force for improvement.

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  91. Agent76 says:

    January 08, 2017 US Deep State in Deep Trouble

    US ruling power is in deep trouble because there are growing signs that the mass of citizens are no longer beholden to the supposed authority residing in Washington. Once the legitimacy of would-be authorities begins to collapse in the eyes of the people, then profound political change is in the offing, as history shows us through countless empires that came and went – often ignominiously.

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/46182.htm

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  92. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Wally
    And there's Africa, which blows away your laughable nonsense.

    In fact, EVERY continent, region, country, state, county, city, and block where blacks are numerous results in the same thing:
    murders, violent assaults, crime in general, extremely low school performance, high STD rates, children with no fathers around, and an affinity for laziness that is hard to comprehend.

    All one has to do is look to see it.

    It's on them and only them.

    Here are the top 20 nations in murder rate: Brazil, India, Mexico, Ethiopia, Indonesia, Nigeria, S. Africa, Colombia, Russia, Pakistan, DR Congo, China, Venezuela, U.S.A., Uganda, Cote d’Ivoire, Tanzania, Sudan, Kenya, Honduras.

    I count nine of those countries as having minimal or no black populations whatsoever. The African countries that are uniformly black are clustered near the bottom.

    You might also want to consider what’s driving the violence in these countries. In DR Congo, Uganda, Cote D’Ivoire, and Sudan, it’s being driven by civil war. In Nigeria and Kenya, it’s largely Muslim fundamental terrorism.

    Allegations about fatherlessness in African countries would need to be demonstrated by you. So would an “affinity for laziness.” Considering that most people in these countries who live outside cities work in subsistence agriculture, I’d suggest that, unless you make a living doing physical labor, you’re much lazier than they are.

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    subsistence agriculture
     
    Done by women.

    driven by civil war
     
    Part of the pathology.

    Here are the top 20 nations in murder rate
     
    Note the problems in unifying reporting standards.

    Though an all Black nation could have a low rate among their citizens, when Blacks move elsewhere, they inevitably ramp up such stats.
    , @Wally
    You lie, see graph here:

    '25 Countries With The Highest Murder Rates In The World'
    http://list25.com/25-countries-with-the-highest-murder-rates-in-the-world/

    Africa leads the pack.

    and:
    'Most homicidal countries'
    http://www.pri.org/stories/2016-06-27/map-here-are-countries-worlds-highest-murder-rates

    All heavily black populated counties.

    I also suggest:
    https://www.amren.com/the-color-of-crime/

    I win again.

    , @Anon
    Some countries have high rates due to organized crime. Much of black mayhem is just crazy, which makes it far more uncontrollable.

    Also, I don't think black African nations keep good stats.
    A lot of murdered people are just buried and forgotten.
    They just don't count the dead.
    , @Alden
    It's the black women who do ALL the work in subsistence agriculture. They also run all the non criminal small businesses.

    Except for herding, men just lay about getting into trouble.
    , @anon

    I count nine of those countries as having minimal or no black populations whatsoever.
     
    If it was just black then from your list:

    Cote d’Ivoire, DR Congo, Ethiopia, Honduras, Kenya, Nigeria, S. Africa, Sudan, Tanzania, Uganda,

    would fit and you could make a case for

    Brazil, Colombia, Mexico, U.S.A, Venezuela

    also

    (Mexico?)

    but not so much

    China, India, Indonesia, Mexico, Pakistan, Russia.

    #

    Alternate theory:

    if it's more to do with how recently - if ever - people switched to settled farming and therefore how long the farming cull of psycho genes has been in operation among different populations then looking at the list again the questions i'd be interested in would be

    - are the India/Pakistan rates mostly connected to "honor" killing of women or do their tribal areas have very high areas of murder also?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adivasi

    same in Indonesia - honor killing or indigenous HG populations?

    China, Russia the same - is the rate distorted by the rate among tribal or recently tribal peoples?

    (far north were herders or partially HG for longer than elsewhere - although alcohol effects that also)

    Mexico, Colombia - rate distorted by drug trade maybe but do they have regions with their own "Chechens" - people who were recently or still are from clannish, pastoral or ex HG populations?
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  93. It’s not a ”attack”, it’s just a emotional exaltation…

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  94. bomag says:
    @Anon
    Here are the top 20 nations in murder rate: Brazil, India, Mexico, Ethiopia, Indonesia, Nigeria, S. Africa, Colombia, Russia, Pakistan, DR Congo, China, Venezuela, U.S.A., Uganda, Cote d'Ivoire, Tanzania, Sudan, Kenya, Honduras.

    I count nine of those countries as having minimal or no black populations whatsoever. The African countries that are uniformly black are clustered near the bottom.

    You might also want to consider what's driving the violence in these countries. In DR Congo, Uganda, Cote D'Ivoire, and Sudan, it's being driven by civil war. In Nigeria and Kenya, it's largely Muslim fundamental terrorism.

    Allegations about fatherlessness in African countries would need to be demonstrated by you. So would an "affinity for laziness." Considering that most people in these countries who live outside cities work in subsistence agriculture, I'd suggest that, unless you make a living doing physical labor, you're much lazier than they are.

    subsistence agriculture

    Done by women.

    driven by civil war

    Part of the pathology.

    Here are the top 20 nations in murder rate

    Note the problems in unifying reporting standards.

    Though an all Black nation could have a low rate among their citizens, when Blacks move elsewhere, they inevitably ramp up such stats.

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  95. Gene Su says:
    @KenH

    Do whites do cruel things to blacks? Yes, they do. One exceptionally cruel thing, the Charleston church murders of 2015, is still generating small news storie s on page sixteen.
     
    Doesn't count. The knowledge of black violent crime and terrorism committed against whites since 1965 and the deafening silence from the media and the government to this fact is what motivated Dylan Roof to retaliate and murder those nine blacks. The lopsidedness of this undeclared but very real race war since 1965 puts Roof's actions into their proper context.

    The only comparison would be the dragging death of James Byrd by three whites in Texas in the 1990's although I recall that one of the whites was brutalized and possibly sodomized by blacks in a Texas prison and emerged from the experience with a violent hatred of them as a result. Regardless, whites commit a truly heinous crime against blacks about once a decade while blacks commit torture-murder and other animalistic crimes against whites many more times that on a yearly basis.

    Of course, the government, media and web bloggers who excuse every act of Muslim terrorism and violence against Americans and Europeans are some of the same people who will hold a white killer of blacks totally responsible for his actions while casting aspersions on his beliefs and that of any white person who doesn't acquiesce to the multiracial tyranny that is upon them. It's zero tolerance for whitey but unlimited tolerance for Mohammed and Ahmed.

    Racial integration between blacks and whites is the God that failed.

    KenH, yours is one of the more disgusting comments I have read. If we let Dylann Roof of the hook because “blacks are generally attacking whites”, then blacks are within their rights to attack whites because “whitey was oppressing them” (maybe a few decades ago). Now that Dylann Roof is sentenced to death, I’m hoping he gets executed on national television alongside a couple of black wannabe bangers who accidentally shot up an innocent child. That way, they won’t have a thing to complain about.

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    KenH, yours is one of the more disgusting comments I have read.
     
    That's because you're an anti-white bigot who's incapable of objectivity or of seeing things from the white point of view. You're also are in dire need of a history lesson since blacks were slaves in Africa, there were black slave owners in America (some treated their black slaves brutally), and some whites were consigned to indentured servitude.

    then blacks are within their rights to attack whites because “whitey was oppressing them” (maybe a few decades ago).
     
    Blacks no longer have reasons for attacking whites other than to punish them for their own failures in life and/or an atavistic, irrational hatred.

    Since 1965 this nation has spent trillions of dollars, upended the Constitution and persecuted and mocked whites all for the sake of helping blacks and atoning for past wrongs, both real and imaginary. And for that blacks hate us even more and have waged a one sided race war against whites judging by the interracial violent crime statistics. Many black leaders and commentators either applaud, excuse, ignore or gloss over this reality, so do you find this as "disgusting" as you find my comments? White commentators and leaders don't want to dare be seen siding with their own people since that's "racism" and "white supremacy".

    No such effort has been made to redress the legitimate grievances of whites since 1965 or address the disparity in interracial crime and permit whites to take appropriate action to protect their schools and communities. Dylan Roof was acutely aware of the race war being waged on his people and the deliberate refusal of the establishment to acknowledge it and institute corrective action and he snapped.

    Enlighten me on your solution to the race problem.
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  96. Here’s the answer to your question: Those who own and control America’s MSM hate white people and European people as it has been THEY that have steadfastly resisted their nation destroying agenda for over 2,000 years! How many European nations have cast them out?? Will we??? They are behind the glut of ‘refugees’ coming in, now, from Somalia and other parts of Africa and not just the US but ALL of Europe! And rape, filth, ignorance, and violence just come along with them! Any resistance to this is immediately greeting with the damning tag of ‘racist’ which some whites are actually dumb enough to fall for! And these half-apes are granted access to every US home as CNN and all the MSM hires them to say (as an example) that Trump’s victory was a ‘white out’! Show like ‘The Family Guy’ and many others portray whites as ignorant, square, etc if not inbred rednecks on a regular basis! Are they forgetting the last time the white race threw a race riot they gave it a name: WWII??? Yet these same kosher nation destroyers want to fill out country with this jungle filth AND take away our means to protecting ourselves and ALL with the end goal – an easily dominated pool of racial chaos to be controlled and exploited by the international Jew!

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  97. Only slightly off-topic, a couple more of Obama’s kids in the feel-good video of the day:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4106236/Armed-robber-killed-camera-tries-hold-gun-store-quick-thinking-owner-64-shot-dead-accomplice-fled.html

    Question: Will the MSM in America find some way to blame this on Trump too? And will the ‘Occupation Government’ find some way to bring federal charges against the 64-year-old grandfather? Damn, I hope my reflexes are that good when I’m 64.

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  98. @Truth
    LOL, the first 400 years post Columbus, in the Western Hemisphere was a "racial gang attack"

    You mean the period of time when Euro-Americans created the greatest nation in the history of the planet?? You know, the one the mud races simply can’t stay out of?? Here’s your solution ‘Truth’ to your further enduring the ‘racial gang attack’ of the last 400 years: move to Africa!

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    "My" family has been here longer than "yours", statistically anyway, "I" have probably worked harder to make this country what it is, so you move.
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  99. @Sam Shama
    On a whim, I looked at the respective population sizes of Whites in Africa and Blacks in Europe, and this is what I found:

    (1) Whites in Africa : 5.65 million https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Africans_of_European_ancestry

    (2) Blacks in Europe : less than 8 m + 2 m in U.K
    https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=black+population+in+Europe

    So, given the relative population sizes in each continent [Africa: 1.03 b, Europe: 738m]
    https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=total+populations+by+Continent ,

    it does not appear to be a badly unbalanced swap, never mind colonial history, economics and all sorts of annoying, insignificant details.

    Furthermore, if Blacks are so terrible, make a hash of everything they touch, their continent so bloody awful etc. what in the name of heavens are Whites doing there today?

    You can do better than that Sam. You know very well that nearly all the Caucasians there who aren’t missionaries or (mostly mining) entrepreneurs are in South Africa which had mostly whites and non Bantu blacks at the Cape for over 150 years and then had Afrikaner Orange Free State and Transvaal until modern money making from gold and diamonds caught up with them.

    As to those numbers you quote, you are a numerate person so try doing something with comparative fertility rates instead of giving succour to those who argue (not *entirely* incorrectly?) that multiculturalism is part if a Jewish strategy for undermining the old WASP or white Christian majority and ruling class, which stopped making sense perhaps 60 years ago….

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    [You know very well that nearly all the Caucasians there who aren’t missionaries or (mostly mining) entrepreneurs are in South Africa ]

    "....nearly all the Caucasians" - not nearly. South Africa 8.7%, Namibia 8%, Swaziland and Botswana 3% each, and after that the distribution among various African countries appears somewhat uniform. Be that as it may, my comment sought chiefly to explore any validity of the prevailing notion on this board that Africa and Africans are worthless; for if they were, the implications of White presence in the midst of worthlessness is, at least, perplexing, is it not?

    [.....try doing something with comparative fertility rates instead of giving succour to those who argue (not *entirely* incorrectly?) that multiculturalism is part if a Jewish strategy for undermining the old WASP or white Christian majority and ruling class, which stopped making sense perhaps 60 years ago….]

    Fertility rates and infant mortality rates are directly proportional; both result from poverty and a lack of technology and education.

    Wiz, I am not persuaded by uninformed assertions of a jewish conspiracy promoting multiculturalism, apparently to unseat anglos from their positions of power and privilege. It is a pointless subject which flourishes with the supercilious madness of the commentator. So if my writing gives that notion succour, it is only in the hopes that it perishes under the weight of its hubris.

    Permit me to be clear. Multiculturalism as a euphemism for immigrant inflow, I view with an eye clear on the essence of numbers, and the numbers today while not alarming need not to expand any further; exactly the point which Trump makes. Yet commentators cloaked in trite nationalism are only a few paces away from fascism. They start with unobjectionable, even laudable ideas of cultural pride only to succumb to the baser instincts we know all too well. Moreover, I have not encountered a satisfying definition for American culture, one which recognises changing hues over the arc of her history; and for whatever flimsy reasons allegedly needs defending.

    I think Derb makes valid observations on the lot and attitude of Blacks in the U.S. I am less convinced by similar arguments levelled at Hispanics, for reasons, not least of which is their general attitude toward labour; faith helps as well. I'll hazard another observation which is that AA has been an unmitigated disaster for Blacks; for it fostered a dependent and entitled class worsened and manifested further in unscrupulous movements such as the BLM. These trends need to be expunged and replaced with enlightenment, and for better or worse this country owns that responsibility.

    Lastly, whatever the disposition of Blacks in this country, it does not most certainly lead to a corollary which consigns all African nations to the same pile.
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  100. Alden says:
    @Authenticjazzman
    "I've never known a black who was even aware of jazz, the audience is composed of pompous , pretentious white liberals".

    This statement is beyond rediculous, and myself as a jazz player with over fifty years on the bandstand can state that white liberals do not make up the majority of jazz audiences, rather, strange as it sounds, conservative white business types make up the majority of informed jazz fans, of course if it is presented in a university setting the audience will be composed of mostly leftists.

    Regarding blacks not being aware of jazz : yes this is now sadly true, however forty years ago they were, along with white folks, avid fans of jazz music, and considered it an achievement of their own race, and this mind-set has been lost to the takeover of black entertainment by rap-thugs with their, you can't even call it music, violent garbage

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member of forty-plus yeras and pro jazz artist.

    I didn’t mean to denigrate jazz music itself. It’s just that the only people I’ve ever met who listen to jazz are pompous pretentious old White liberals. And they seem far more admiring of the fact that blacks created it than the music itself.

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    " It's just that the only people I've ever met who listen to jazz are pompous pretentious old white liberals".

    Geez I just don't know how to explain this in more simple terms but I'll try one more time :

    I myself am a professional jazz performer ( winds) and this for the last fifty-plus years. My last gig was sunday past and my next gig is on saturday coming.

    On basis of these facts I am stating that I most certainly have more knowledge in this field than you do, and I will again state : "Pompous old white liberals" do not make up the majority of jazz listeners and fans, rather the majority of the typical jazz audience is composed of average , middle of the road politically, down to earth every-day type folks and not, as you are suggesting pompous "Liberal" perhaps academic types, case closed.

    Authenticjazzman " Mensa" society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.
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  101. Junior says:

    What is this race-baiting garbage?

    Hey, Derbyshire, you’re just as bad as the race-baiting media that seeks to divide and conquer us.

    It’s quite clear after reading this article along with that other one you wrote “Israel is NOT that important to America”, in which you pretend to be criticizing Israel but do nothing but make excuses for them throughout the whole article, that you are either:

    A. a Zionist Shill

    or

    B. a Brainwashed Fool

    Being that you wrote for NeoCons-R-Us at the National Review, I’m going with choice A.

    I hope that nobody is fooled by this shilling charlatan. His job is to misdirect attention away from the true powers behind the scenes that control our Politicians, Finances, Judicial systems, and Media. They seek to keep Americans fighting amongst ourselves so that we ignore them while they destroy and rob this country blind. This shill is helping them.

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    I trust for the sake of any family or dependents you may have that you don't make investments with as little knowledge and care about evidence as you exhibit in your comments on John Derbyshire. It really isn't difficult to find 20 years of evidence of his views snd purposes and common decency, even hidden behind a pseudonym (one suggesting you are still wet behind the ears it is true) requires at least attention to evidence before launching a vicious attack on anyone such as yours on JD.

    Your shots at Derbyshire don't even make the outer ring of the target. All wrong.

    , @Truth

    you are either:

    A. a Zionist Shill

    or

    B. a Brainwashed Fool
     

    LOL, I wouldn't assume those two are exclusive of each other.
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  102. Wally says:
    @Anon
    Here are the top 20 nations in murder rate: Brazil, India, Mexico, Ethiopia, Indonesia, Nigeria, S. Africa, Colombia, Russia, Pakistan, DR Congo, China, Venezuela, U.S.A., Uganda, Cote d'Ivoire, Tanzania, Sudan, Kenya, Honduras.

    I count nine of those countries as having minimal or no black populations whatsoever. The African countries that are uniformly black are clustered near the bottom.

    You might also want to consider what's driving the violence in these countries. In DR Congo, Uganda, Cote D'Ivoire, and Sudan, it's being driven by civil war. In Nigeria and Kenya, it's largely Muslim fundamental terrorism.

    Allegations about fatherlessness in African countries would need to be demonstrated by you. So would an "affinity for laziness." Considering that most people in these countries who live outside cities work in subsistence agriculture, I'd suggest that, unless you make a living doing physical labor, you're much lazier than they are.

    You lie, see graph here:

    ’25 Countries With The Highest Murder Rates In The World’

    http://list25.com/25-countries-with-the-highest-murder-rates-in-the-world/

    Africa leads the pack.

    and:
    ‘Most homicidal countries’

    http://www.pri.org/stories/2016-06-27/map-here-are-countries-worlds-highest-murder-rates

    All heavily black populated counties.

    I also suggest:

    https://www.amren.com/the-color-of-crime/

    I win again.

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    You realize that the top 3 spots on both lists you provided are Central and South American countries?m, don't you?

    You are truly a stupid person.
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  103. Alden says:
    @Kyle McKenna
    Consider that some proportion of those who commit violent crimes are apprehended. Consider that some proportion of those are arraigned, and charged. Some proportion of those actually stand trial. Some proportion of those are convicted. And finally, some proportion of those ever serve time.

    If one out of four black males serves time, it's definitely understating the situation.

    It’s more like 35, 38 percent.

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  104. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Anon
    Here are the top 20 nations in murder rate: Brazil, India, Mexico, Ethiopia, Indonesia, Nigeria, S. Africa, Colombia, Russia, Pakistan, DR Congo, China, Venezuela, U.S.A., Uganda, Cote d'Ivoire, Tanzania, Sudan, Kenya, Honduras.

    I count nine of those countries as having minimal or no black populations whatsoever. The African countries that are uniformly black are clustered near the bottom.

    You might also want to consider what's driving the violence in these countries. In DR Congo, Uganda, Cote D'Ivoire, and Sudan, it's being driven by civil war. In Nigeria and Kenya, it's largely Muslim fundamental terrorism.

    Allegations about fatherlessness in African countries would need to be demonstrated by you. So would an "affinity for laziness." Considering that most people in these countries who live outside cities work in subsistence agriculture, I'd suggest that, unless you make a living doing physical labor, you're much lazier than they are.

    Some countries have high rates due to organized crime. Much of black mayhem is just crazy, which makes it far more uncontrollable.

    Also, I don’t think black African nations keep good stats.
    A lot of murdered people are just buried and forgotten.
    They just don’t count the dead.

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  105. @Junior
    What is this race-baiting garbage?

    Hey, Derbyshire, you're just as bad as the race-baiting media that seeks to divide and conquer us.

    It's quite clear after reading this article along with that other one you wrote "Israel is NOT that important to America", in which you pretend to be criticizing Israel but do nothing but make excuses for them throughout the whole article, that you are either:

    A. a Zionist Shill

    or

    B. a Brainwashed Fool

    Being that you wrote for NeoCons-R-Us at the National Review, I'm going with choice A.

    I hope that nobody is fooled by this shilling charlatan. His job is to misdirect attention away from the true powers behind the scenes that control our Politicians, Finances, Judicial systems, and Media. They seek to keep Americans fighting amongst ourselves so that we ignore them while they destroy and rob this country blind. This shill is helping them.

    I trust for the sake of any family or dependents you may have that you don’t make investments with as little knowledge and care about evidence as you exhibit in your comments on John Derbyshire. It really isn’t difficult to find 20 years of evidence of his views snd purposes and common decency, even hidden behind a pseudonym (one suggesting you are still wet behind the ears it is true) requires at least attention to evidence before launching a vicious attack on anyone such as yours on JD.

    Your shots at Derbyshire don’t even make the outer ring of the target. All wrong.

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    Oops! My bad, Wiz. I didn't mean to interrupt the show. I didn't realize that so many of Derbyshire's fans from Israel, that he pretends to be SO confused about having, were in attendance. Wow, it is a packed house!

    My apologies. I'll let you get back to your White Al Sharpton's latest showing of "How to keep Prisoners attacking each other instead of their Jailers." It really is AMAZING how good he is at casting those shadows up on Plato's cave walls, don't ya think?! All I can get to show up in shadow puppets on walls are a bird or a dog. :( But they say practice makes perfect, I guess that's why Derbyshire is just so damn good at it.

    Again, sorry to interrupt.

    Enjoy the show! :)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLPXMdrxroc
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  106. Corvinus says:
    @anon

    But he doesn’t think this rare gene version explains all of the variation between men who have and don’t have severe antisocial traits. As he puts it, “Even if MAOA-2R is causally linked with antisocial behaviors, it is not common enough in African Americans to solely account for crime rates in blacks”.
     
    Yes - I'd agree there's zero chance that a single gene could explain violence as a whole (and personally think it will turn out to be the *balance* of violence and restraint genes) but having one example with such a strong association should have sparked massive research in the whole area - but it didn't, cos PC.

    “but having one example with such a strong association should have sparked massive research in the whole area – but it didn’t, cos PC.”

    Association, indeed. Correlation does NOT equal causation.

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    right - correlation equals investigation
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  107. Corvinus says:
    @res

    But he doesn’t think this rare gene version explains all of the variation between men who have and don’t have severe antisocial traits. As he puts it, “Even if MAOA-2R is causally linked with antisocial behaviors, it is not common enough in African Americans to solely account for crime rates in blacks”.
     
    Classic. Because it doesn't explain all the variation or solely account for crime rates in blacks it must not matter.

    And you endorse this pathetic reasoning, Corvinus. That says a lot.

    Not to mention rejecting "Even if MAOA-2R is causally linked with antisocial behaviors" as relevant. At least these people make their bias obvious.

    “Classic. Because it doesn’t explain all the variation or solely account for crime rates in blacks it must not matter.”

    It matters, just not that much, as stated by the author of the study.

    “And you endorse this pathetic reasoning, Corvinus. That says a lot.”

    You have to prove that his reasoning is flawed.

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  108. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Wally
    You lie, see graph here:

    '25 Countries With The Highest Murder Rates In The World'
    http://list25.com/25-countries-with-the-highest-murder-rates-in-the-world/

    Africa leads the pack.

    and:
    'Most homicidal countries'
    http://www.pri.org/stories/2016-06-27/map-here-are-countries-worlds-highest-murder-rates

    All heavily black populated counties.

    I also suggest:
    https://www.amren.com/the-color-of-crime/

    I win again.

    You realize that the top 3 spots on both lists you provided are Central and South American countries?m, don’t you?

    You are truly a stupid person.

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    Catch up dumsky. From my OP :

    "In fact, EVERY continent, region, country, state, county, city, and block where blacks are numerous results in the same thing:
    murders, violent assaults, crime in general, extremely low school performance, high STD rates, children with no fathers around, and an affinity for laziness that is hard to comprehend."

    You're a clueless schmuck, I win
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  109. Alden says:
    @Anon
    Here are the top 20 nations in murder rate: Brazil, India, Mexico, Ethiopia, Indonesia, Nigeria, S. Africa, Colombia, Russia, Pakistan, DR Congo, China, Venezuela, U.S.A., Uganda, Cote d'Ivoire, Tanzania, Sudan, Kenya, Honduras.

    I count nine of those countries as having minimal or no black populations whatsoever. The African countries that are uniformly black are clustered near the bottom.

    You might also want to consider what's driving the violence in these countries. In DR Congo, Uganda, Cote D'Ivoire, and Sudan, it's being driven by civil war. In Nigeria and Kenya, it's largely Muslim fundamental terrorism.

    Allegations about fatherlessness in African countries would need to be demonstrated by you. So would an "affinity for laziness." Considering that most people in these countries who live outside cities work in subsistence agriculture, I'd suggest that, unless you make a living doing physical labor, you're much lazier than they are.

    It’s the black women who do ALL the work in subsistence agriculture. They also run all the non criminal small businesses.

    Except for herding, men just lay about getting into trouble.

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  110. joef says:

    As long as the majority of people are willing victims to radical afro american aggression, this will never end; while we are extorted into paying excessive taxes to appease the afros with growing entitlements.

    It will not stop until it cannot go on anymore, becoming bankrupted by this ungrateful lot… and then, when we can no longer give them anymore freebies, the real games will begin…and the leftist will be destroyed by the angry Frankenstein monster that they helped to create (no loss there).

    Anyone who believes that race relations with the afros will improve on there own is simply deceiving themselves. The afros have no incentive to change, and the libs just want to pander more and more, while the leftist fill their heads with false propaganda of white privilege.

    The only problem that the MSM/academia/politicians see is that many of us will not accept the unacceptable (anti social afro behavior). This will eventually end badly for everyone (including blacks) with chaos, social unrest, scarcity, and economic turmoil becoming the norm. And no matter how much I wish I was wrong, it simply is what it is. So get ready because we are yet to see the worst of it.

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    Proof?

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  112. @Truth
    Well I'm going to have to quarrel with you a bit there, Son; America is a melting pot in which one group so graciously volunteered it's land, and a group of others, one especially, so graciously volunteered their labor to make a third group rich. and a small degree of benefit trickled down to SOME of the other groups, but, it was, in totality a group effort. That's why damn near any European (including the one who wrote the article)100 years ago, 50 years ago, or now, would have given his eye teeth, to leave his lilly-white hometown to move here amongst the Beaners and Knee-grows.

    And BTW, the only boy relevant to you right now, Johnniekins, is your mom, she's calling you to go upstairs and exfoliate her back hairs.

    The injun savage didn’t own sh*t.

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  113. @Truth



    every human population used to have a lot of killer genes – cos they were useful – until they made the switch to farming and the psycho genes were gradually culled over time – hence east Asians having say 1%, white 2% and black maybe 4-8%
     
    I'm guessing these numbers are ascertained from your Caltech Genetics PhD?

    It’s a very reasonable guess at rates of scoring >30 on the PCLR by race.

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    I saw no indication of race there.
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  114. Junior says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    I trust for the sake of any family or dependents you may have that you don't make investments with as little knowledge and care about evidence as you exhibit in your comments on John Derbyshire. It really isn't difficult to find 20 years of evidence of his views snd purposes and common decency, even hidden behind a pseudonym (one suggesting you are still wet behind the ears it is true) requires at least attention to evidence before launching a vicious attack on anyone such as yours on JD.

    Your shots at Derbyshire don't even make the outer ring of the target. All wrong.

    Oops! My bad, Wiz. I didn’t mean to interrupt the show. I didn’t realize that so many of Derbyshire’s fans from Israel, that he pretends to be SO confused about having, were in attendance. Wow, it is a packed house!

    My apologies. I’ll let you get back to your White Al Sharpton’s latest showing of “How to keep Prisoners attacking each other instead of their Jailers.” It really is AMAZING how good he is at casting those shadows up on Plato’s cave walls, don’t ya think?! All I can get to show up in shadow puppets on walls are a bird or a dog. :( But they say practice makes perfect, I guess that’s why Derbyshire is just so damn good at it.

    Again, sorry to interrupt.

    Enjoy the show! :)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLPXMdrxroc

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    My apologies. I’ll let you get back to your White Al Sharpton’s latest showing of “How to keep Prisoners attacking each other instead of their Jailers.”
     
    I think that show won a Golden Globe last week.
    , @utu
    I’ll let you get back to your White Al Sharpton’s latest showing of “How to keep Prisoners attacking each other instead of their Jailers.”

    You got it right.
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  115. @Agent76
    January 4, 2017 US Cops Killed 230 Times More People than their British Counterparts in 2016

    Police in England killed a total of 4 people in all of 2016. Cops in America killed 230 times more than them, coming in with a total of 1,152 lives taken. If this doesn’t say, ‘hey we have a problem,’ what does? Already, only four days into 2017, American cops have killed two times as many people as England has in the entire year of 2016. But America has a much larger population and therefore these numbers don’t matter, right? Wrong. China, whose population is 4 and 1/2 times the size of the United States, recorded a single killing by law enforcement officers in 2016.

    http://thefreethoughtproject.com/cops-america-killed-230-times-people-british-counterparts/#d4hF3VBkUwt1Grfv.99

    Make the population of any country on planet Earth 10% feral Negroes, and watch what happens to the number of law enforcement shootings (assuming accurate reporting).

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    Excellent comment. You said in a sentence what it took paragraphs for me to say.
    , @Corvinus
    "Make the population of any country on planet Earth 10% feral Negroes, and watch what happens to the number of law enforcement shootings (assuming accurate reporting)."

    You neglected to include feral whites, feral Asians, and/or feral Hispanics.
    , @Truth
    1936 Warsaw didn't have %10 Negros; but I'm guessing the police shootings were off the charts.
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  116. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Sam Shama
    On a whim, I looked at the respective population sizes of Whites in Africa and Blacks in Europe, and this is what I found:

    (1) Whites in Africa : 5.65 million https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Africans_of_European_ancestry

    (2) Blacks in Europe : less than 8 m + 2 m in U.K
    https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=black+population+in+Europe

    So, given the relative population sizes in each continent [Africa: 1.03 b, Europe: 738m]
    https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=total+populations+by+Continent ,

    it does not appear to be a badly unbalanced swap, never mind colonial history, economics and all sorts of annoying, insignificant details.

    Furthermore, if Blacks are so terrible, make a hash of everything they touch, their continent so bloody awful etc. what in the name of heavens are Whites doing there today?

    as usual, anti-white dishonest actors leave out out the age/gender proportions

    1 million 60 year olds != 1 million 18 year olds

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  117. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Joe Wong
    The first 400 years post Columbus, it was a "racial gang attack" all over the world and that racial gang attack has not stopped yet, only the excuses to white wash and gloss over the attack have changed, from overt White supremacy to democracy and human rights.

    yes, white people have to stop trying to be nice or the desire for revenge from when we were bad will be inflicted on our grand-children

    you’ve convinced me – white debils need to go back to being debils

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    If you call "non-stop bombing, killing and torturing on the fabricated phantom WMD allegation as humanitarian intervention around the world" as nice who needs devils that commit war crimes, crimes against peace and crimes against peace?
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  118. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Anon
    Here are the top 20 nations in murder rate: Brazil, India, Mexico, Ethiopia, Indonesia, Nigeria, S. Africa, Colombia, Russia, Pakistan, DR Congo, China, Venezuela, U.S.A., Uganda, Cote d'Ivoire, Tanzania, Sudan, Kenya, Honduras.

    I count nine of those countries as having minimal or no black populations whatsoever. The African countries that are uniformly black are clustered near the bottom.

    You might also want to consider what's driving the violence in these countries. In DR Congo, Uganda, Cote D'Ivoire, and Sudan, it's being driven by civil war. In Nigeria and Kenya, it's largely Muslim fundamental terrorism.

    Allegations about fatherlessness in African countries would need to be demonstrated by you. So would an "affinity for laziness." Considering that most people in these countries who live outside cities work in subsistence agriculture, I'd suggest that, unless you make a living doing physical labor, you're much lazier than they are.

    I count nine of those countries as having minimal or no black populations whatsoever.

    If it was just black then from your list:

    Cote d’Ivoire, DR Congo, Ethiopia, Honduras, Kenya, Nigeria, S. Africa, Sudan, Tanzania, Uganda,

    would fit and you could make a case for

    Brazil, Colombia, Mexico, U.S.A, Venezuela

    also

    (Mexico?)

    but not so much

    China, India, Indonesia, Mexico, Pakistan, Russia.

    #

    Alternate theory:

    if it’s more to do with how recently – if ever – people switched to settled farming and therefore how long the farming cull of psycho genes has been in operation among different populations then looking at the list again the questions i’d be interested in would be

    - are the India/Pakistan rates mostly connected to “honor” killing of women or do their tribal areas have very high areas of murder also?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adivasi

    same in Indonesia – honor killing or indigenous HG populations?

    China, Russia the same – is the rate distorted by the rate among tribal or recently tribal peoples?

    (far north were herders or partially HG for longer than elsewhere – although alcohol effects that also)

    Mexico, Colombia – rate distorted by drug trade maybe but do they have regions with their own “Chechens” – people who were recently or still are from clannish, pastoral or ex HG populations?

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    I actually think the factor that's most correlated that no one is discussing much is population density -- there is a direct correlation between population density and homicide rate. That's why murders tend to happen more often in cities (in addition to other factors like poverty). If, as you say, the culling of warrior genes was consequent to agricultural development, then it can't account for urbanization, which was the logical outgrowth of industrialization of agriculture. Something else must be at play. Population density explains a lot of it.
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  119. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Corvinus
    "but having one example with such a strong association should have sparked massive research in the whole area – but it didn’t, cos PC."

    Association, indeed. Correlation does NOT equal causation.

    right – correlation equals investigation

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    "right – correlation equals investigation"

    I said correlation does not equal causation. Read what I said next time.

    Regardless, there have been investigations conducted and will continue to be studies on this matter, especially since there is a strong connection between abuse in childhood, MAOA-L gene variants, and violent behavior in adulthood. A recent review declared that several studies have shown that MAOA-L men regardless of race previously exposed to early life abuse engaged in significantly higher levels of violent behavior than men with high levels of MAOA.
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  120. @Alden
    I didn't mean to denigrate jazz music itself. It's just that the only people I've ever met who listen to jazz are pompous pretentious old White liberals. And they seem far more admiring of the fact that blacks created it than the music itself.

    ” It’s just that the only people I’ve ever met who listen to jazz are pompous pretentious old white liberals”.

    Geez I just don’t know how to explain this in more simple terms but I’ll try one more time :

    I myself am a professional jazz performer ( winds) and this for the last fifty-plus years. My last gig was sunday past and my next gig is on saturday coming.

    On basis of these facts I am stating that I most certainly have more knowledge in this field than you do, and I will again state : “Pompous old white liberals” do not make up the majority of jazz listeners and fans, rather the majority of the typical jazz audience is composed of average , middle of the road politically, down to earth every-day type folks and not, as you are suggesting pompous “Liberal” perhaps academic types, case closed.

    Authenticjazzman ” Mensa” society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.

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  121. joef says:
    @Diversity Heretic
    Make the population of any country on planet Earth 10% feral Negroes, and watch what happens to the number of law enforcement shootings (assuming accurate reporting).

    Excellent comment. You said in a sentence what it took paragraphs for me to say.

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  122. Wally says:
    @Anon
    You realize that the top 3 spots on both lists you provided are Central and South American countries?m, don't you?

    You are truly a stupid person.

    Catch up dumsky. From my OP :

    “In fact, EVERY continent, region, country, state, county, city, and block where blacks are numerous results in the same thing:
    murders, violent assaults, crime in general, extremely low school performance, high STD rates, children with no fathers around, and an affinity for laziness that is hard to comprehend.”

    You’re a clueless schmuck, I win

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    And so you apparently think that Central and South America -- specifically Honduras, El Salvador, and Venezuela, which are in the top 5 of both lists -- are places "where blacks are numerous."

    Here are links to the CIA Factbook entries for these three countries:

    El Salvador: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/es.html - black population is 0.1%

    Honduras: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ho.html - black population is 2%

    Venezuela: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ve.html - Africans listed among ethnic groups but no percentages are given, but Britannica says 10% of the population is black: http://kids.britannica.com/comptons/article-209779/Venezuela

    So is that 10% committing the murders in Venezuela that put it in the uppermost echelon? Experts don't identify it as such:

    http://fusion.net/story/4593/how-did-venezuela-become-so-violent/

    Here's the NYTimes on homicide in Venezuela:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/29/world/americas/venezuela-murder-rate-for-year-may-be-worlds-worst-report-says.html?_r=0

    "The group said that killings in Venezuela this year surpassed those in Honduras and that the country now rivals El Salvador as the world’s deadliest."

    And a fascinating statistic here:

    http://www.insightcrime.org/news-briefs/caracas-most-violent-city-in-the-world-2015-report

    "The top 50 ranking [of cities with the highest homicide rates] included 21 cities in Brazil, eight in Venezuela, five in Mexico, three in Colombia and two in Honduras. El Salvador, Guatemala and Jamaica had one city each. Latin America accounted for 41 out of 50 cities."

    So Jamaica, a black country, had one city in the top 50, Venezuela had eight. Brazil has a large black population and a high murder rate, but it also has a very large population and several cities with more than a million people, so you can't chalk up the fact that it has 21 cities in the top 50 to "blacks."

    The nine cities not in Latin America are all in S. Africa and the U.S.
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  123. Corvinus says:
    @anon
    right - correlation equals investigation

    “right – correlation equals investigation”

    I said correlation does not equal causation. Read what I said next time.

    Regardless, there have been investigations conducted and will continue to be studies on this matter, especially since there is a strong connection between abuse in childhood, MAOA-L gene variants, and violent behavior in adulthood. A recent review declared that several studies have shown that MAOA-L men regardless of race previously exposed to early life abuse engaged in significantly higher levels of violent behavior than men with high levels of MAOA.

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    I said correlation does not equal causation.
     
    Right and I changed it to the new improved version that I just invented: “correlation equals investigation.”
    , @res

    A recent review declared that several studies have shown that MAOA-L men regardless of race previously exposed to early life abuse engaged in significantly higher levels of violent behavior than men with high levels of MAOA.
     
    I wonder how much of "early life abuse" is familial. Perhaps there are additional genetic factors related to violence that are passed along?

    Hopefully the research is more sophisticated than you convey, but this sounds all too similar to the research that looks at things like vocabulary exposure from parents to children as an environmental factor for intelligence while ignoring the obvious genetic aspect.

    P.S. Are you willfully misunderstanding anon by refusing to acknowledge his point that one of the ways we find promising ideas to investigate is by noticing correlations (but I guess that would require you to read and make an attempt to respond to his actual point rather than a strawman in your mind)? Pretty laughable given that his initial statement specifically mentioned this. From your comment 106:

    “but having one example with such a strong association should have sparked massive research in the whole area – but it didn’t, cos PC.”

    Association, indeed. Correlation does NOT equal causation.
     
    Holy non sequitur Batman. Stating the association should have prompted more research says nothing about causation.
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  124. Corvinus says:
    @Diversity Heretic
    Make the population of any country on planet Earth 10% feral Negroes, and watch what happens to the number of law enforcement shootings (assuming accurate reporting).

    “Make the population of any country on planet Earth 10% feral Negroes, and watch what happens to the number of law enforcement shootings (assuming accurate reporting).”

    You neglected to include feral whites, feral Asians, and/or feral Hispanics.

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    Feral whites get into fistfights, feral Asians cheat each other in business transactions, and feral Hispanics resemble whites more than Negroes. It's feral Negroes who kill each other and, depending on proximity and opportunity, the other groups, in truly astounding numbers.
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  125. Sam Shama says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    You can do better than that Sam. You know very well that nearly all the Caucasians there who aren't missionaries or (mostly mining) entrepreneurs are in South Africa which had mostly whites and non Bantu blacks at the Cape for over 150 years and then had Afrikaner Orange Free State and Transvaal until modern money making from gold and diamonds caught up with them.

    As to those numbers you quote, you are a numerate person so try doing something with comparative fertility rates instead of giving succour to those who argue (not *entirely* incorrectly?) that multiculturalism is part if a Jewish strategy for undermining the old WASP or white Christian majority and ruling class, which stopped making sense perhaps 60 years ago....

    [You know very well that nearly all the Caucasians there who aren’t missionaries or (mostly mining) entrepreneurs are in South Africa ]

    “….nearly all the Caucasians” – not nearly. South Africa 8.7%, Namibia 8%, Swaziland and Botswana 3% each, and after that the distribution among various African countries appears somewhat uniform. Be that as it may, my comment sought chiefly to explore any validity of the prevailing notion on this board that Africa and Africans are worthless; for if they were, the implications of White presence in the midst of worthlessness is, at least, perplexing, is it not?

    [.....try doing something with comparative fertility rates instead of giving succour to those who argue (not *entirely* incorrectly?) that multiculturalism is part if a Jewish strategy for undermining the old WASP or white Christian majority and ruling class, which stopped making sense perhaps 60 years ago….]

    Fertility rates and infant mortality rates are directly proportional; both result from poverty and a lack of technology and education.

    Wiz, I am not persuaded by uninformed assertions of a jewish conspiracy promoting multiculturalism, apparently to unseat anglos from their positions of power and privilege. It is a pointless subject which flourishes with the supercilious madness of the commentator. So if my writing gives that notion succour, it is only in the hopes that it perishes under the weight of its hubris.

    Permit me to be clear. Multiculturalism as a euphemism for immigrant inflow, I view with an eye clear on the essence of numbers, and the numbers today while not alarming need not to expand any further; exactly the point which Trump makes. Yet commentators cloaked in trite nationalism are only a few paces away from fascism. They start with unobjectionable, even laudable ideas of cultural pride only to succumb to the baser instincts we know all too well. Moreover, I have not encountered a satisfying definition for American culture, one which recognises changing hues over the arc of her history; and for whatever flimsy reasons allegedly needs defending.

    I think Derb makes valid observations on the lot and attitude of Blacks in the U.S. I am less convinced by similar arguments levelled at Hispanics, for reasons, not least of which is their general attitude toward labour; faith helps as well. I’ll hazard another observation which is that AA has been an unmitigated disaster for Blacks; for it fostered a dependent and entitled class worsened and manifested further in unscrupulous movements such as the BLM. These trends need to be expunged and replaced with enlightenment, and for better or worse this country owns that responsibility.

    Lastly, whatever the disposition of Blacks in this country, it does not most certainly lead to a corollary which consigns all African nations to the same pile.

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    Thanks Sam. I seem to have lost a very long reply I had composed but let me just repeat the minor point that your figures on whites in Africa are nonsense. 4.5 million plus still in South Africa for historical reasons. No more than 100,000 in Namibia and the rest are saving souls or making money (including tax free salaries at NGOs or UN related bodies).
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  126. Truth says:
    @Robert Dunn
    You mean the period of time when Euro-Americans created the greatest nation in the history of the planet?? You know, the one the mud races simply can't stay out of?? Here's your solution 'Truth' to your further enduring the 'racial gang attack' of the last 400 years: move to Africa!

    “My” family has been here longer than “yours”, statistically anyway, “I” have probably worked harder to make this country what it is, so you move.

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  127. Truth says:
    @Junior
    What is this race-baiting garbage?

    Hey, Derbyshire, you're just as bad as the race-baiting media that seeks to divide and conquer us.

    It's quite clear after reading this article along with that other one you wrote "Israel is NOT that important to America", in which you pretend to be criticizing Israel but do nothing but make excuses for them throughout the whole article, that you are either:

    A. a Zionist Shill

    or

    B. a Brainwashed Fool

    Being that you wrote for NeoCons-R-Us at the National Review, I'm going with choice A.

    I hope that nobody is fooled by this shilling charlatan. His job is to misdirect attention away from the true powers behind the scenes that control our Politicians, Finances, Judicial systems, and Media. They seek to keep Americans fighting amongst ourselves so that we ignore them while they destroy and rob this country blind. This shill is helping them.

    you are either:

    A. a Zionist Shill

    or

    B. a Brainwashed Fool

    LOL, I wouldn’t assume those two are exclusive of each other.

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  128. Truth says:
    @Negrolphin Pool
    It's a very reasonable guess at rates of scoring >30 on the PCLR by race.

    I saw no indication of race there.

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  129. @Corvinus
    "Make the population of any country on planet Earth 10% feral Negroes, and watch what happens to the number of law enforcement shootings (assuming accurate reporting)."

    You neglected to include feral whites, feral Asians, and/or feral Hispanics.

    Feral whites get into fistfights, feral Asians cheat each other in business transactions, and feral Hispanics resemble whites more than Negroes. It’s feral Negroes who kill each other and, depending on proximity and opportunity, the other groups, in truly astounding numbers.

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    "Feral whites get into fistfights..."

    And commit rape and murder in large numbers.

    "Feral Asians cheat each other in business transactions..."

    And commit rape and murder in large numbers.

    "and feral Hispanics resemble whites more than Negroes."

    Yet also commit rape and murder in large numbers.
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  130. Truth says:
    @Junior
    Oops! My bad, Wiz. I didn't mean to interrupt the show. I didn't realize that so many of Derbyshire's fans from Israel, that he pretends to be SO confused about having, were in attendance. Wow, it is a packed house!

    My apologies. I'll let you get back to your White Al Sharpton's latest showing of "How to keep Prisoners attacking each other instead of their Jailers." It really is AMAZING how good he is at casting those shadows up on Plato's cave walls, don't ya think?! All I can get to show up in shadow puppets on walls are a bird or a dog. :( But they say practice makes perfect, I guess that's why Derbyshire is just so damn good at it.

    Again, sorry to interrupt.

    Enjoy the show! :)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLPXMdrxroc

    My apologies. I’ll let you get back to your White Al Sharpton’s latest showing of “How to keep Prisoners attacking each other instead of their Jailers.”

    I think that show won a Golden Globe last week.

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    I think that show won a Golden Globe last week.
     
    Speaking of the Golden Globes, can I just say how absolutely PROUD I am that Meryl Streep showed such courage in her criticism of Trump for mocking that reporter. The man has a VERY serious condition because he has been disabled by one of the WORST diseases that a person can get... the disease of Liberalism.

    The disease of Liberalism is no joking matter and we should be trying to help people that have been afflicted with it. I myself, am a recovering Liberal so I know the intense pain that this man and Meryl feel when being mocked for it. Thankfully, mine has gone into remission but that does not mean that I will just allow my Pointy-Headed Liberal fellow Americans to be mocked for it. I remember where I came from. They need help for their disability, NOT jokes about them!

    That's why it's so great that Meryl has brought this issue to the forefront. SHAME ON YOU, MR. TRUMP!

    Well done, Meryl! Let your pointy-headed flag wave high for all the world to see that the disability of Liberalism is NO joking matter!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aYFC_7ZIn4
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  131. Truth says:
    @Diversity Heretic
    Make the population of any country on planet Earth 10% feral Negroes, and watch what happens to the number of law enforcement shootings (assuming accurate reporting).

    1936 Warsaw didn’t have %10 Negros; but I’m guessing the police shootings were off the charts.

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  132. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Wally
    Catch up dumsky. From my OP :

    "In fact, EVERY continent, region, country, state, county, city, and block where blacks are numerous results in the same thing:
    murders, violent assaults, crime in general, extremely low school performance, high STD rates, children with no fathers around, and an affinity for laziness that is hard to comprehend."

    You're a clueless schmuck, I win

    And so you apparently think that Central and South America — specifically Honduras, El Salvador, and Venezuela, which are in the top 5 of both lists — are places “where blacks are numerous.”

    Here are links to the CIA Factbook entries for these three countries:

    El Salvador: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/es.html – black population is 0.1%

    Honduras: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ho.html – black population is 2%

    Venezuela: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ve.html – Africans listed among ethnic groups but no percentages are given, but Britannica says 10% of the population is black: http://kids.britannica.com/comptons/article-209779/Venezuela

    So is that 10% committing the murders in Venezuela that put it in the uppermost echelon? Experts don’t identify it as such:

    http://fusion.net/story/4593/how-did-venezuela-become-so-violent/

    Here’s the NYTimes on homicide in Venezuela:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/29/world/americas/venezuela-murder-rate-for-year-may-be-worlds-worst-report-says.html?_r=0

    “The group said that killings in Venezuela this year surpassed those in Honduras and that the country now rivals El Salvador as the world’s deadliest.”

    And a fascinating statistic here:

    http://www.insightcrime.org/news-briefs/caracas-most-violent-city-in-the-world-2015-report

    “The top 50 ranking [of cities with the highest homicide rates] included 21 cities in Brazil, eight in Venezuela, five in Mexico, three in Colombia and two in Honduras. El Salvador, Guatemala and Jamaica had one city each. Latin America accounted for 41 out of 50 cities.”

    So Jamaica, a black country, had one city in the top 50, Venezuela had eight. Brazil has a large black population and a high murder rate, but it also has a very large population and several cities with more than a million people, so you can’t chalk up the fact that it has 21 cities in the top 50 to “blacks.”

    The nine cities not in Latin America are all in S. Africa and the U.S.

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    How many blacks there are as a % of total population is a false, strawman argument.

    i.e:
    "Despite making up just 13% of the population, blacks committed half of homicides in the United States for nearly 30 years. "
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/28/5-devastating-facts-black-black-crime/

    Ouch!

    , @anon

    And so you apparently think that Central and South America — specifically Honduras, El Salvador, and Venezuela, which are in the top 5 of both lists — are places “where blacks are numerous.”
     
    There's a lot of African dna in central America.

    The first slave sugar plantations weren't built in the Americas they were built on the Atlantic islands and a mixed population called Atlantic Creole was created on those islands and those Atlantic Creoles became a large part of the founding populations of central America.

    However - at the same time some of those countries probably also have amerindian HG ancestry.
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  133. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @anon

    I count nine of those countries as having minimal or no black populations whatsoever.
     
    If it was just black then from your list:

    Cote d’Ivoire, DR Congo, Ethiopia, Honduras, Kenya, Nigeria, S. Africa, Sudan, Tanzania, Uganda,

    would fit and you could make a case for

    Brazil, Colombia, Mexico, U.S.A, Venezuela

    also

    (Mexico?)

    but not so much

    China, India, Indonesia, Mexico, Pakistan, Russia.

    #

    Alternate theory:

    if it's more to do with how recently - if ever - people switched to settled farming and therefore how long the farming cull of psycho genes has been in operation among different populations then looking at the list again the questions i'd be interested in would be

    - are the India/Pakistan rates mostly connected to "honor" killing of women or do their tribal areas have very high areas of murder also?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adivasi

    same in Indonesia - honor killing or indigenous HG populations?

    China, Russia the same - is the rate distorted by the rate among tribal or recently tribal peoples?

    (far north were herders or partially HG for longer than elsewhere - although alcohol effects that also)

    Mexico, Colombia - rate distorted by drug trade maybe but do they have regions with their own "Chechens" - people who were recently or still are from clannish, pastoral or ex HG populations?

    I actually think the factor that’s most correlated that no one is discussing much is population density — there is a direct correlation between population density and homicide rate. That’s why murders tend to happen more often in cities (in addition to other factors like poverty). If, as you say, the culling of warrior genes was consequent to agricultural development, then it can’t account for urbanization, which was the logical outgrowth of industrialization of agriculture. Something else must be at play. Population density explains a lot of it.

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    Population density explains a lot of it.
     
    John B. Calhoun's work identified density at first, but later investigations showed that crowding was a better correlator.

    Crowding, in general, relates more to encounters with the potential to trigger high levels of stress.

    This is the problem with mixing peoples of different cultures, especially without prescribed boundaries on behavior. Port cities have long been recognized as more violent than others because of this kind of mixing.

    It is hypothesized that India is able to sustain a greater population density because of the caste system that "keeps people in their place*". China does so because of the dominance of the Han except in areas like Xinjiang and Tibet where the natives do not feel themselves subdued. You don't have to be in China (or Hong Kong or Taiwan) for very long to understand that behavior is very tightly prescribed.

    *Nature is not "interested in" fairness except as one factor among many others.

    , @anon

    If, as you say, the culling of warrior genes was consequent to agricultural development, then it can’t account for urbanization, which was the logical outgrowth of industrialization of agriculture.
     
    Well you explain how it accounts for urbanization yourself - urbanization is generally a consequence of agriculture so if the culling process begins with the switch to farming and the farming surplus leads to towns then the culling process would extend to the towns also - probably more so in fact if crowding magnified it.

    #

    I'd agree that over crowding is a big factor but imo one that magnifies whatever the genetic base rate is. If so then relatively recent and sudden urbanization would lead to a big spike.

    Say

    violence = base violence factor * crowding factor

    and the base factor was 3

    and the rural/urban crowding factors were 1 and 2 respectively

    then the final scores would be rural 3 and urban 6.

    If correct then whenever you get sudden urbanization with a rural population rapidly moving to a cities then you would expect a massive spike in violence.

    (That could be a factor in China's homicide rate also.)

    (Although another factor in that is when you get rapid moves to the cities it is often young men who go first creating a disproportion.)
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  134. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Corvinus
    "right – correlation equals investigation"

    I said correlation does not equal causation. Read what I said next time.

    Regardless, there have been investigations conducted and will continue to be studies on this matter, especially since there is a strong connection between abuse in childhood, MAOA-L gene variants, and violent behavior in adulthood. A recent review declared that several studies have shown that MAOA-L men regardless of race previously exposed to early life abuse engaged in significantly higher levels of violent behavior than men with high levels of MAOA.

    I said correlation does not equal causation.

    Right and I changed it to the new improved version that I just invented: “correlation equals investigation.”

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    "Right and I changed it to the new improved version that I just invented: “correlation equals investigation.”

    Depends upon the strength of that correlation and to what extent the resources required to conduct a study will be of potential scientific benefit.
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  135. res says:
    @Corvinus
    "right – correlation equals investigation"

    I said correlation does not equal causation. Read what I said next time.

    Regardless, there have been investigations conducted and will continue to be studies on this matter, especially since there is a strong connection between abuse in childhood, MAOA-L gene variants, and violent behavior in adulthood. A recent review declared that several studies have shown that MAOA-L men regardless of race previously exposed to early life abuse engaged in significantly higher levels of violent behavior than men with high levels of MAOA.

    A recent review declared that several studies have shown that MAOA-L men regardless of race previously exposed to early life abuse engaged in significantly higher levels of violent behavior than men with high levels of MAOA.

    I wonder how much of “early life abuse” is familial. Perhaps there are additional genetic factors related to violence that are passed along?

    Hopefully the research is more sophisticated than you convey, but this sounds all too similar to the research that looks at things like vocabulary exposure from parents to children as an environmental factor for intelligence while ignoring the obvious genetic aspect.

    P.S. Are you willfully misunderstanding anon by refusing to acknowledge his point that one of the ways we find promising ideas to investigate is by noticing correlations (but I guess that would require you to read and make an attempt to respond to his actual point rather than a strawman in your mind)? Pretty laughable given that his initial statement specifically mentioned this. From your comment 106:

    “but having one example with such a strong association should have sparked massive research in the whole area – but it didn’t, cos PC.”

    Association, indeed. Correlation does NOT equal causation.

    Holy non sequitur Batman. Stating the association should have prompted more research says nothing about causation.

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    I wonder how much of “early life abuse” is familial. Perhaps there are additional genetic factors related to violence that are passed along?

    "Hopefully the research is more sophisticated than you convey..."

    I conveyed a source from a leading research in this field who employed a sophisticated approach t0 his research, and he discussed his findings clearly and concisely. I cannot help that you are desperately trying to look more into his statements for a genetic "smoking gun" when he acknowledged a genetic component, but cautioned against people making it THE overarching factor.

    "but this sounds all too similar to the research that looks at things like vocabulary exposure from parents to children as an environmental factor for intelligence while ignoring the obvious genetic aspect."

    "P.S. Are you willfully misunderstanding anon by refusing to acknowledge his point that one of the ways we find promising ideas to investigate is by noticing correlations (but I guess that would require you to read and make an attempt to respond to his actual point rather than a strawman in your mind)?"

    No, that would be YOU making up this alleged refusal on my part.
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  136. Svigor says:

    “Classic. Because it doesn’t explain all the variation or solely account for crime rates in blacks it must not matter.”

    It matters, just not that much, as stated by the author of the study.

    “And you endorse this pathetic reasoning, Corvinus. That says a lot.”

    You have to prove that his reasoning is flawed.

    More of Corvanus’ mendacious stupidity. When you make an assertion that Corvanus doesn’t like, it’s your job to prove it’s correct. When someone else makes an assertion that Corvanus does like, it’s obviously true, and it’s your job to prove it’s incorrect.

    Corvanus’ mother was a whore, and his father was one of the Johns. A retarded one. Nobody can prove that’s incorrect.

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  137. utu says:
    @Junior
    Oops! My bad, Wiz. I didn't mean to interrupt the show. I didn't realize that so many of Derbyshire's fans from Israel, that he pretends to be SO confused about having, were in attendance. Wow, it is a packed house!

    My apologies. I'll let you get back to your White Al Sharpton's latest showing of "How to keep Prisoners attacking each other instead of their Jailers." It really is AMAZING how good he is at casting those shadows up on Plato's cave walls, don't ya think?! All I can get to show up in shadow puppets on walls are a bird or a dog. :( But they say practice makes perfect, I guess that's why Derbyshire is just so damn good at it.

    Again, sorry to interrupt.

    Enjoy the show! :)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLPXMdrxroc

    I’ll let you get back to your White Al Sharpton’s latest showing of “How to keep Prisoners attacking each other instead of their Jailers.”

    You got it right.

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  138. Svigor says:

    I actually think the factor that’s most correlated that no one is discussing much is population density — there is a direct correlation between population density and homicide rate. That’s why murders tend to happen more often in cities (in addition to other factors like poverty). If, as you say, the culling of warrior genes was consequent to agricultural development, then it can’t account for urbanization, which was the logical outgrowth of industrialization of agriculture. Something else must be at play. Population density explains a lot of it.

    I’ve been harping on population density here for years.

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  139. guest says:
    @Truth
    LOL, the first 400 years post Columbus, in the Western Hemisphere was a "racial gang attack"

    Do you write for the Washington Post? Because that’s pretty much their argument, except you expand it to all white on non-white violence. (Which of course is assumed in every case to be whitey’s fault).

    How long before this argument runs out? I’ll check back in 2365 (400 years after the peak of the civil rights movement) and see how many people blacks have killed by then.

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  140. @Anon
    I actually think the factor that's most correlated that no one is discussing much is population density -- there is a direct correlation between population density and homicide rate. That's why murders tend to happen more often in cities (in addition to other factors like poverty). If, as you say, the culling of warrior genes was consequent to agricultural development, then it can't account for urbanization, which was the logical outgrowth of industrialization of agriculture. Something else must be at play. Population density explains a lot of it.

    Population density explains a lot of it.

    John B. Calhoun’s work identified density at first, but later investigations showed that crowding was a better correlator.

    Crowding, in general, relates more to encounters with the potential to trigger high levels of stress.

    This is the problem with mixing peoples of different cultures, especially without prescribed boundaries on behavior. Port cities have long been recognized as more violent than others because of this kind of mixing.

    It is hypothesized that India is able to sustain a greater population density because of the caste system that “keeps people in their place*”. China does so because of the dominance of the Han except in areas like Xinjiang and Tibet where the natives do not feel themselves subdued. You don’t have to be in China (or Hong Kong or Taiwan) for very long to understand that behavior is very tightly prescribed.

    *Nature is not “interested in” fairness except as one factor among many others.

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    I think we mostly agree. I'd add only that those countries with the highest standards of living tend to have high ethnic homogeneity, low pop density/crowding, or both: for instance, Japan, Australia, and Iceland respectively.
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  141. @Joe Wong
    The first 400 years post Columbus, it was a "racial gang attack" all over the world and that racial gang attack has not stopped yet, only the excuses to white wash and gloss over the attack have changed, from overt White supremacy to democracy and human rights.

    War and conquest has been the way of the world since before recorded history. The conquerors one century became the conquered the next and vice versa. Don’t blame white people for developing superior technology sooner. In other words, you’re Wong, Joe.

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    Sorry I cannot agree with you, if your assertion stands then humanity will forever be trapped in a mindset belonging to the past, stalled in the old days of colonialism, and constrained by the bagger-thy-neighbour zero-sum cold war mentality.

    For the future of humanity we must have empathy for the disadvantaged, and make peace, cooperation, development and mutual benefit the trend of our times, therefore the perpetrators must be called out to take responsibility for the crimes they committed in order to prevent the humanity from falling back into the vicious cycle you asserted.
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  142. guest says:
    @jacques sheete

    Also, rap culture promotes crazy violence, and of course, this fuels much of black-on-black violence.
     
    And who/what promotes "rap?"

    This article could be totally bogus. On the other hand...


    “…the [media] companies we work for had invested millions into the building of privately owned prisons …[they] recieved funding from the government based on the number of inmates. The more inmates, the more money the government would pay these prisons.

    Our job would be to help make this happen by marketing music which promotes criminal behavior, rap being the music of choice.”

    http://worldtruth.tv/the-secret-meeting-that-changed-rap-music-and-destroyed-a-generation/

     

    I can believe a conspiracy like that existed, but you don’t need to conspire to get blacks to commit crimes. Just like you don’t need advertising whizzes to get people to want fatty foods. You need them to get people into McDonald’s, specifically, or to get blacks to listen to rapper X. It’s sorta like the CIA and crack, which blacks like to talk about. Okay, let’s say Ollie North hand-delivered it to the streets of L.A. You didn’t have to smoke it.

    The need is already inside them. Or a result of social and historical causes to complex for me to summarize. Some combination thereof.

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  143. Truth says:

    I’ll check back in 2365 (400 years after the peak of the civil rights movement) and see how many people blacks have killed by then

    .

    Well there are roughly 4oo or so a year, so assuming the current rate continues, there will be a total of 143,600 black on non-black murders during the above time frame. Now,Michigan stadium, home of the wolverines, holds 109,901, sothe make-believe descendants of the kids you will never have will have to tailgate out in the parking lot…of course the population of the country will probably be a billion by then.

    And you see, at this point, whites kill roughly half as many blacks as vice-versa, so in terms of net, there are a few indoor ventures that would house the victims.

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    At least you admit that the interracial statistics on murder, rape and assault are wildly disproportionate. That black on white crime is lots more common than the opposite. And that this interracial crime wave is generated by a population roughly one fifth the size of America's white population.
    You are not so crazy to go along with the BLM/black lives matter narrative which is identical to the Democrat Party's narrative. I'll give credit to America's black citizens for not believing or investing in Hillary/that ragged old white lady in a K Mart pantsuit/ and sitting out the Presidential election.

    Where is Hillary anyway? Laying low in recovery mode...glad that she lost.
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  144. Joe Wong says:
    @anon
    yes, white people have to stop trying to be nice or the desire for revenge from when we were bad will be inflicted on our grand-children

    you've convinced me - white debils need to go back to being debils

    If you call “non-stop bombing, killing and torturing on the fabricated phantom WMD allegation as humanitarian intervention around the world” as nice who needs devils that commit war crimes, crimes against peace and crimes against peace?

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    true but note how white debils have to be manipulated nowadays.

    in the past glory or profit was a good enough reason and acceptable in public - now the elites have to manufacture massive moral and empathy driven narratives to get white debils to blow the **** out of everything

    it's all lies sure - but the change is significant imo
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  145. Joe Wong says:
    @Malcolm X-Lax
    War and conquest has been the way of the world since before recorded history. The conquerors one century became the conquered the next and vice versa. Don't blame white people for developing superior technology sooner. In other words, you're Wong, Joe.

    Sorry I cannot agree with you, if your assertion stands then humanity will forever be trapped in a mindset belonging to the past, stalled in the old days of colonialism, and constrained by the bagger-thy-neighbour zero-sum cold war mentality.

    For the future of humanity we must have empathy for the disadvantaged, and make peace, cooperation, development and mutual benefit the trend of our times, therefore the perpetrators must be called out to take responsibility for the crimes they committed in order to prevent the humanity from falling back into the vicious cycle you asserted.

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    therefore the perpetrators must be called out to take responsibility for the crimes they committed
     
    thing is, i can understand that point of view and in one context i could agree with it but...

    in the context of white people becoming a minority in every country they used to be a majority in then inciting anti-white animosity among a looming hostile majority towards my posterity is a big fat - no way

    and if the only way to prevent that is red in tooth and claw then so be it
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  146. Wally says:
    @Anon
    And so you apparently think that Central and South America -- specifically Honduras, El Salvador, and Venezuela, which are in the top 5 of both lists -- are places "where blacks are numerous."

    Here are links to the CIA Factbook entries for these three countries:

    El Salvador: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/es.html - black population is 0.1%

    Honduras: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ho.html - black population is 2%

    Venezuela: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ve.html - Africans listed among ethnic groups but no percentages are given, but Britannica says 10% of the population is black: http://kids.britannica.com/comptons/article-209779/Venezuela

    So is that 10% committing the murders in Venezuela that put it in the uppermost echelon? Experts don't identify it as such:

    http://fusion.net/story/4593/how-did-venezuela-become-so-violent/

    Here's the NYTimes on homicide in Venezuela:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/29/world/americas/venezuela-murder-rate-for-year-may-be-worlds-worst-report-says.html?_r=0

    "The group said that killings in Venezuela this year surpassed those in Honduras and that the country now rivals El Salvador as the world’s deadliest."

    And a fascinating statistic here:

    http://www.insightcrime.org/news-briefs/caracas-most-violent-city-in-the-world-2015-report

    "The top 50 ranking [of cities with the highest homicide rates] included 21 cities in Brazil, eight in Venezuela, five in Mexico, three in Colombia and two in Honduras. El Salvador, Guatemala and Jamaica had one city each. Latin America accounted for 41 out of 50 cities."

    So Jamaica, a black country, had one city in the top 50, Venezuela had eight. Brazil has a large black population and a high murder rate, but it also has a very large population and several cities with more than a million people, so you can't chalk up the fact that it has 21 cities in the top 50 to "blacks."

    The nine cities not in Latin America are all in S. Africa and the U.S.

    How many blacks there are as a % of total population is a false, strawman argument.

    i.e:
    “Despite making up just 13% of the population, blacks committed half of homicides in the United States for nearly 30 years. ”

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/28/5-devastating-facts-black-black-crime/

    Ouch!

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    So a country with among the highest murder rates with less than 1% black population can still blame those murders on blacks?

    Are you trying to sound stupid and racist?
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  147. Junior says:

    For any who might be getting lost in the fog of CNN’s divide-and-conquer tactics from the left or Derbyshire’s divide-and-conquer tactics from the right…

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  148. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Wally
    How many blacks there are as a % of total population is a false, strawman argument.

    i.e:
    "Despite making up just 13% of the population, blacks committed half of homicides in the United States for nearly 30 years. "
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/28/5-devastating-facts-black-black-crime/

    Ouch!

    So a country with among the highest murder rates with less than 1% black population can still blame those murders on blacks?

    Are you trying to sound stupid and racist?

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    He's only trying to sound racist, sounding stupid is a gift.
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  149. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @another fred

    Population density explains a lot of it.
     
    John B. Calhoun's work identified density at first, but later investigations showed that crowding was a better correlator.

    Crowding, in general, relates more to encounters with the potential to trigger high levels of stress.

    This is the problem with mixing peoples of different cultures, especially without prescribed boundaries on behavior. Port cities have long been recognized as more violent than others because of this kind of mixing.

    It is hypothesized that India is able to sustain a greater population density because of the caste system that "keeps people in their place*". China does so because of the dominance of the Han except in areas like Xinjiang and Tibet where the natives do not feel themselves subdued. You don't have to be in China (or Hong Kong or Taiwan) for very long to understand that behavior is very tightly prescribed.

    *Nature is not "interested in" fairness except as one factor among many others.

    I think we mostly agree. I’d add only that those countries with the highest standards of living tend to have high ethnic homogeneity, low pop density/crowding, or both: for instance, Japan, Australia, and Iceland respectively.

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  150. @Sam Shama
    [You know very well that nearly all the Caucasians there who aren’t missionaries or (mostly mining) entrepreneurs are in South Africa ]

    "....nearly all the Caucasians" - not nearly. South Africa 8.7%, Namibia 8%, Swaziland and Botswana 3% each, and after that the distribution among various African countries appears somewhat uniform. Be that as it may, my comment sought chiefly to explore any validity of the prevailing notion on this board that Africa and Africans are worthless; for if they were, the implications of White presence in the midst of worthlessness is, at least, perplexing, is it not?

    [.....try doing something with comparative fertility rates instead of giving succour to those who argue (not *entirely* incorrectly?) that multiculturalism is part if a Jewish strategy for undermining the old WASP or white Christian majority and ruling class, which stopped making sense perhaps 60 years ago….]

    Fertility rates and infant mortality rates are directly proportional; both result from poverty and a lack of technology and education.

    Wiz, I am not persuaded by uninformed assertions of a jewish conspiracy promoting multiculturalism, apparently to unseat anglos from their positions of power and privilege. It is a pointless subject which flourishes with the supercilious madness of the commentator. So if my writing gives that notion succour, it is only in the hopes that it perishes under the weight of its hubris.

    Permit me to be clear. Multiculturalism as a euphemism for immigrant inflow, I view with an eye clear on the essence of numbers, and the numbers today while not alarming need not to expand any further; exactly the point which Trump makes. Yet commentators cloaked in trite nationalism are only a few paces away from fascism. They start with unobjectionable, even laudable ideas of cultural pride only to succumb to the baser instincts we know all too well. Moreover, I have not encountered a satisfying definition for American culture, one which recognises changing hues over the arc of her history; and for whatever flimsy reasons allegedly needs defending.

    I think Derb makes valid observations on the lot and attitude of Blacks in the U.S. I am less convinced by similar arguments levelled at Hispanics, for reasons, not least of which is their general attitude toward labour; faith helps as well. I'll hazard another observation which is that AA has been an unmitigated disaster for Blacks; for it fostered a dependent and entitled class worsened and manifested further in unscrupulous movements such as the BLM. These trends need to be expunged and replaced with enlightenment, and for better or worse this country owns that responsibility.

    Lastly, whatever the disposition of Blacks in this country, it does not most certainly lead to a corollary which consigns all African nations to the same pile.

    Thanks Sam. I seem to have lost a very long reply I had composed but let me just repeat the minor point that your figures on whites in Africa are nonsense. 4.5 million plus still in South Africa for historical reasons. No more than 100,000 in Namibia and the rest are saving souls or making money (including tax free salaries at NGOs or UN related bodies).

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  151. King Baeksu says: • Website
    @Anon
    Mr. Derbyshire,
    By your own account, this crime was committed by a gang of dimwitted black young men. The majority of Black Americans are far more interested in attaining a comfortable lifestyle similar to yours and many middle class folks. That crushing poverty continues to afflict large numbers of African Americans is a symptom of the racist attitude that you and your cohorts continue to nurture and promote. I am neither American nor Black, and so it seems to me that America would be far better off if you were to go back to your place of origin and let real patriotic Americans make America great again for their fellow blacks and whites. Please!

    it seems to me that America would be far better off if you were to go back to your place of origin

    Mr. Derbyshire is a legal American citizen, and as a tenth-generation American myself (one whose ancestors fought on the side of the Union in the Civil War and served as scouts for Lewis and Clark), I consider him a welcome addition to the nation of my forebears.

    I am neither American nor Black

    “Whereof one cannot speak, thereof must one be silent.” – Ludwig Wittgenstein

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  152. Truth says:
    @Anon
    So a country with among the highest murder rates with less than 1% black population can still blame those murders on blacks?

    Are you trying to sound stupid and racist?

    He’s only trying to sound racist, sounding stupid is a gift.

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  153. Corvinus says:
    @Diversity Heretic
    Feral whites get into fistfights, feral Asians cheat each other in business transactions, and feral Hispanics resemble whites more than Negroes. It's feral Negroes who kill each other and, depending on proximity and opportunity, the other groups, in truly astounding numbers.

    “Feral whites get into fistfights…”

    And commit rape and murder in large numbers.

    “Feral Asians cheat each other in business transactions…”

    And commit rape and murder in large numbers.

    “and feral Hispanics resemble whites more than Negroes.”

    Yet also commit rape and murder in large numbers.

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    Whites and Hispanics really can't compete with Blacks in per capita rates for rape and (especially) murder.

    Here is the data:
    https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/crime-in-the-u.s.-2015/tables/table-43
    But don't let that get in the way of your attempt at a narrative, Corvinus.
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  154. Corvinus says:
    @res

    A recent review declared that several studies have shown that MAOA-L men regardless of race previously exposed to early life abuse engaged in significantly higher levels of violent behavior than men with high levels of MAOA.
     
    I wonder how much of "early life abuse" is familial. Perhaps there are additional genetic factors related to violence that are passed along?

    Hopefully the research is more sophisticated than you convey, but this sounds all too similar to the research that looks at things like vocabulary exposure from parents to children as an environmental factor for intelligence while ignoring the obvious genetic aspect.

    P.S. Are you willfully misunderstanding anon by refusing to acknowledge his point that one of the ways we find promising ideas to investigate is by noticing correlations (but I guess that would require you to read and make an attempt to respond to his actual point rather than a strawman in your mind)? Pretty laughable given that his initial statement specifically mentioned this. From your comment 106:

    “but having one example with such a strong association should have sparked massive research in the whole area – but it didn’t, cos PC.”

    Association, indeed. Correlation does NOT equal causation.
     
    Holy non sequitur Batman. Stating the association should have prompted more research says nothing about causation.

    I wonder how much of “early life abuse” is familial. Perhaps there are additional genetic factors related to violence that are passed along?

    “Hopefully the research is more sophisticated than you convey…”

    I conveyed a source from a leading research in this field who employed a sophisticated approach t0 his research, and he discussed his findings clearly and concisely. I cannot help that you are desperately trying to look more into his statements for a genetic “smoking gun” when he acknowledged a genetic component, but cautioned against people making it THE overarching factor.

    “but this sounds all too similar to the research that looks at things like vocabulary exposure from parents to children as an environmental factor for intelligence while ignoring the obvious genetic aspect.”

    “P.S. Are you willfully misunderstanding anon by refusing to acknowledge his point that one of the ways we find promising ideas to investigate is by noticing correlations (but I guess that would require you to read and make an attempt to respond to his actual point rather than a strawman in your mind)?”

    No, that would be YOU making up this alleged refusal on my part.

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    No, that would be YOU making up this alleged refusal on my part.
     
    HA HA HA! You try that after I give a direct quote and a reference to the comment where you made it. You aren't even trying to make sense anymore.

    Since you have a remarkable gift for not quoting the relevant parts of my comments, here is part of my comment 135 again (starting after the end of the strawman quote in your comment):

    Pretty laughable given that his initial statement specifically mentioned this. From your comment 106:

    “but having one example with such a strong association should have sparked massive research in the whole area – but it didn’t, cos PC.”

    Association, indeed. Correlation does NOT equal causation.
     
    Holy non sequitur Batman. Stating the association should have prompted more research says nothing about causation.

     

    I think that's sufficient evidence to support my allegation of you refusing to respond to his point (until after my comment).

    But at least you finally did respond in comment 155 with this weak equivocation:

    Depends upon the strength of that correlation and to what extent the resources required to conduct a study will be of potential scientific benefit.
     
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  155. Corvinus says:
    @anon

    I said correlation does not equal causation.
     
    Right and I changed it to the new improved version that I just invented: “correlation equals investigation.”

    “Right and I changed it to the new improved version that I just invented: “correlation equals investigation.”

    Depends upon the strength of that correlation and to what extent the resources required to conduct a study will be of potential scientific benefit.

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  156. Clyde says:
    @Truth

    I’ll check back in 2365 (400 years after the peak of the civil rights movement) and see how many people blacks have killed by then
     
    .

    Well there are roughly 4oo or so a year, so assuming the current rate continues, there will be a total of 143,600 black on non-black murders during the above time frame. Now,Michigan stadium, home of the wolverines, holds 109,901, sothe make-believe descendants of the kids you will never have will have to tailgate out in the parking lot...of course the population of the country will probably be a billion by then.

    And you see, at this point, whites kill roughly half as many blacks as vice-versa, so in terms of net, there are a few indoor ventures that would house the victims.

    At least you admit that the interracial statistics on murder, rape and assault are wildly disproportionate. That black on white crime is lots more common than the opposite. And that this interracial crime wave is generated by a population roughly one fifth the size of America’s white population.
    You are not so crazy to go along with the BLM/black lives matter narrative which is identical to the Democrat Party’s narrative. I’ll give credit to America’s black citizens for not believing or investing in Hillary/that ragged old white lady in a K Mart pantsuit/ and sitting out the Presidential election.

    Where is Hillary anyway? Laying low in recovery mode…glad that she lost.

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    That black on white crime is lots more common than the opposite.
     
    In the global, historical perspective, the white on ANYBODY crime rate is ridiculously higher than the inverse. Sorry Bro, don't shoot the messenger.


    And that this interracial crime wave is generated by a population roughly one fifth the size of America’s white population

     

    This is an error in simple logic that I have read her continuously for years. In comparing black on white crime to the inverse, the ratio of people is the same, so it makes no difference.



    Where is Hillary anyway? Laying low in recovery mode…glad that she lost.
     
    I was entertained by the fact that she lost, but as I've said here repeatedly; Barry, Donna, Hill-Billy, doesn't matter, one Satanist puppet is just as bad as the next.
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  157. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Anon
    And so you apparently think that Central and South America -- specifically Honduras, El Salvador, and Venezuela, which are in the top 5 of both lists -- are places "where blacks are numerous."

    Here are links to the CIA Factbook entries for these three countries:

    El Salvador: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/es.html - black population is 0.1%

    Honduras: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ho.html - black population is 2%

    Venezuela: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ve.html - Africans listed among ethnic groups but no percentages are given, but Britannica says 10% of the population is black: http://kids.britannica.com/comptons/article-209779/Venezuela

    So is that 10% committing the murders in Venezuela that put it in the uppermost echelon? Experts don't identify it as such:

    http://fusion.net/story/4593/how-did-venezuela-become-so-violent/

    Here's the NYTimes on homicide in Venezuela:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/29/world/americas/venezuela-murder-rate-for-year-may-be-worlds-worst-report-says.html?_r=0

    "The group said that killings in Venezuela this year surpassed those in Honduras and that the country now rivals El Salvador as the world’s deadliest."

    And a fascinating statistic here:

    http://www.insightcrime.org/news-briefs/caracas-most-violent-city-in-the-world-2015-report

    "The top 50 ranking [of cities with the highest homicide rates] included 21 cities in Brazil, eight in Venezuela, five in Mexico, three in Colombia and two in Honduras. El Salvador, Guatemala and Jamaica had one city each. Latin America accounted for 41 out of 50 cities."

    So Jamaica, a black country, had one city in the top 50, Venezuela had eight. Brazil has a large black population and a high murder rate, but it also has a very large population and several cities with more than a million people, so you can't chalk up the fact that it has 21 cities in the top 50 to "blacks."

    The nine cities not in Latin America are all in S. Africa and the U.S.

    And so you apparently think that Central and South America — specifically Honduras, El Salvador, and Venezuela, which are in the top 5 of both lists — are places “where blacks are numerous.”

    There’s a lot of African dna in central America.

    The first slave sugar plantations weren’t built in the Americas they were built on the Atlantic islands and a mixed population called Atlantic Creole was created on those islands and those Atlantic Creoles became a large part of the founding populations of central America.

    However – at the same time some of those countries probably also have amerindian HG ancestry.

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    Not so for Central America (except for Belize) as much as for the Caribbean and coastal S. America.
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  158. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Anon
    I actually think the factor that's most correlated that no one is discussing much is population density -- there is a direct correlation between population density and homicide rate. That's why murders tend to happen more often in cities (in addition to other factors like poverty). If, as you say, the culling of warrior genes was consequent to agricultural development, then it can't account for urbanization, which was the logical outgrowth of industrialization of agriculture. Something else must be at play. Population density explains a lot of it.

    If, as you say, the culling of warrior genes was consequent to agricultural development, then it can’t account for urbanization, which was the logical outgrowth of industrialization of agriculture.

    Well you explain how it accounts for urbanization yourself – urbanization is generally a consequence of agriculture so if the culling process begins with the switch to farming and the farming surplus leads to towns then the culling process would extend to the towns also – probably more so in fact if crowding magnified it.

    #

    I’d agree that over crowding is a big factor but imo one that magnifies whatever the genetic base rate is. If so then relatively recent and sudden urbanization would lead to a big spike.

    Say

    violence = base violence factor * crowding factor

    and the base factor was 3

    and the rural/urban crowding factors were 1 and 2 respectively

    then the final scores would be rural 3 and urban 6.

    If correct then whenever you get sudden urbanization with a rural population rapidly moving to a cities then you would expect a massive spike in violence.

    (That could be a factor in China’s homicide rate also.)

    (Although another factor in that is when you get rapid moves to the cities it is often young men who go first creating a disproportion.)

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    Good points all, particularly on China, though I'd amend to say that urbanization is the outgrowth of industrialization of agriculture. Agriculture leads to permanent settlement, which within certain parameters allows for spread but not necessarily urbanization; mechanization leads to surplus labor and thus to urbanization, although obviously things like population size and level of technological advancement are also important. That is, it didn't take the industrial revolution for the Sumerians to urbanize, but it did take the IR for the Brits to do it, at least in part because the larger population of the U.K. in 1600 required more Brits stay on farms, whereas the population of Sumer circa 3500 BC was small enough that irrigation was an advanced enough technology to give rise to surplus labor and thus urbanization (Ur, Babylon, etc.).

    I hope that makes sense.

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  159. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Joe Wong
    If you call "non-stop bombing, killing and torturing on the fabricated phantom WMD allegation as humanitarian intervention around the world" as nice who needs devils that commit war crimes, crimes against peace and crimes against peace?

    true but note how white debils have to be manipulated nowadays.

    in the past glory or profit was a good enough reason and acceptable in public – now the elites have to manufacture massive moral and empathy driven narratives to get white debils to blow the **** out of everything

    it’s all lies sure – but the change is significant imo

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  160. res says:
    @Corvinus
    "Feral whites get into fistfights..."

    And commit rape and murder in large numbers.

    "Feral Asians cheat each other in business transactions..."

    And commit rape and murder in large numbers.

    "and feral Hispanics resemble whites more than Negroes."

    Yet also commit rape and murder in large numbers.

    Whites and Hispanics really can’t compete with Blacks in per capita rates for rape and (especially) murder.

    Here is the data:

    https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/crime-in-the-u.s.-2015/tables/table-43

    But don’t let that get in the way of your attempt at a narrative, Corvinus.

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    Yes, too many fantasy narratives, on how people wish things are, get in the way. Its tough for them to examine things as they truly are. Sometimes its their own assumption that if they did not personally experience it, or the MSM did not report it, or an academic did not teach it, it does not exist (because they prefer it not to exist).

    For the rest of us, who actually lived in the urban reality, it comes down to this simple core of relevance (using Occam's Razor): Radical afro american entitlements is slowly bankrupting us on the local/state/national levels (at differing rates). When this process is completed, and there is no more extortion to give, then the afro american initiated race war will begin where they exist at a high population density levels. All lib methods of appeasing afro hostility have proven fruitless, and the afros themselves have no incentive to change, thus there is no diversion from our future course.

    Urban policing has been shut down by leftist obfuscations that excuses afro violence with the result of the afros themselves being killed by each other at an ever more increasing rate. The MSM expects all of us to lament this fact, but the afros are actually suffering from the fate that they themselves created. Afro thugs killing afro thugs has an unintended benefit, because for everyone of them killed saves countless of future potential victims (of all races) from their criminality. Thus my advice to urban ghetto cops is to lay low and only get minimally involved (why risk your life and career to save the ungrateful radical afro from each other),

    , @Corvinus
    I am well aware of the narrative. Blacks and Hispanics commit violent crimes in larger proportions compared to their population. Because genetics, not environment. Yet, whites STILL commit more crimes in larger overall numbers. Would not their propensity also be indicative of nature rather than nurture? Now, as far as I know, the source does NOT account for repeat offenders, nor multiple charges for a perpetrator. So this data is skewed for all races.
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  161. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Joe Wong
    Sorry I cannot agree with you, if your assertion stands then humanity will forever be trapped in a mindset belonging to the past, stalled in the old days of colonialism, and constrained by the bagger-thy-neighbour zero-sum cold war mentality.

    For the future of humanity we must have empathy for the disadvantaged, and make peace, cooperation, development and mutual benefit the trend of our times, therefore the perpetrators must be called out to take responsibility for the crimes they committed in order to prevent the humanity from falling back into the vicious cycle you asserted.

    therefore the perpetrators must be called out to take responsibility for the crimes they committed

    thing is, i can understand that point of view and in one context i could agree with it but…

    in the context of white people becoming a minority in every country they used to be a majority in then inciting anti-white animosity among a looming hostile majority towards my posterity is a big fat – no way

    and if the only way to prevent that is red in tooth and claw then so be it

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    I don't even really bother trying to persuade non-white people. It doesn't matter. They're tribal, always. Let China, Japan or the Koreas open up their borders to Africa for the next 100 years then maybe we can talk.
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  162. res says:
    @Corvinus
    I wonder how much of “early life abuse” is familial. Perhaps there are additional genetic factors related to violence that are passed along?

    "Hopefully the research is more sophisticated than you convey..."

    I conveyed a source from a leading research in this field who employed a sophisticated approach t0 his research, and he discussed his findings clearly and concisely. I cannot help that you are desperately trying to look more into his statements for a genetic "smoking gun" when he acknowledged a genetic component, but cautioned against people making it THE overarching factor.

    "but this sounds all too similar to the research that looks at things like vocabulary exposure from parents to children as an environmental factor for intelligence while ignoring the obvious genetic aspect."

    "P.S. Are you willfully misunderstanding anon by refusing to acknowledge his point that one of the ways we find promising ideas to investigate is by noticing correlations (but I guess that would require you to read and make an attempt to respond to his actual point rather than a strawman in your mind)?"

    No, that would be YOU making up this alleged refusal on my part.

    No, that would be YOU making up this alleged refusal on my part.

    HA HA HA! You try that after I give a direct quote and a reference to the comment where you made it. You aren’t even trying to make sense anymore.

    Since you have a remarkable gift for not quoting the relevant parts of my comments, here is part of my comment 135 again (starting after the end of the strawman quote in your comment):

    Pretty laughable given that his initial statement specifically mentioned this. From your comment 106:

    “but having one example with such a strong association should have sparked massive research in the whole area – but it didn’t, cos PC.”

    Association, indeed. Correlation does NOT equal causation.

    Holy non sequitur Batman. Stating the association should have prompted more research says nothing about causation.

    I think that’s sufficient evidence to support my allegation of you refusing to respond to his point (until after my comment).

    But at least you finally did respond in comment 155 with this weak equivocation:

    Depends upon the strength of that correlation and to what extent the resources required to conduct a study will be of potential scientific benefit.

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    Because I neglected initially to agree, since I was not asked the question in the first place, that correlations that spark interest ought to be investigated, you spun it to make it appear that I was "willfully misunderstanding" anon. That is classic SJW logic on your part. You are closer to their line of thinking more than you know.

    "But at least you finally did respond in comment 155 with this weak equivocation..."

    Not weak at all. Big pharma is not about to spend oodles of cash on an "strong association" until a cost analysis is conducted, which includes to what extent is it beneficial to their bottom line and to overall progress in this particular area of research.
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  163. Truth says:
    @Clyde
    At least you admit that the interracial statistics on murder, rape and assault are wildly disproportionate. That black on white crime is lots more common than the opposite. And that this interracial crime wave is generated by a population roughly one fifth the size of America's white population.
    You are not so crazy to go along with the BLM/black lives matter narrative which is identical to the Democrat Party's narrative. I'll give credit to America's black citizens for not believing or investing in Hillary/that ragged old white lady in a K Mart pantsuit/ and sitting out the Presidential election.

    Where is Hillary anyway? Laying low in recovery mode...glad that she lost.

    That black on white crime is lots more common than the opposite.

    In the global, historical perspective, the white on ANYBODY crime rate is ridiculously higher than the inverse. Sorry Bro, don’t shoot the messenger.

    And that this interracial crime wave is generated by a population roughly one fifth the size of America’s white population

    This is an error in simple logic that I have read her continuously for years. In comparing black on white crime to the inverse, the ratio of people is the same, so it makes no difference.

    Where is Hillary anyway? Laying low in recovery mode…glad that she lost.

    I was entertained by the fact that she lost, but as I’ve said here repeatedly; Barry, Donna, Hill-Billy, doesn’t matter, one Satanist puppet is just as bad as the next.

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    This is an error in simple logic that I have read her continuously for years. In comparing black on white crime to the inverse, the ratio of people is the same, so it makes no difference.
     
    Not exactly. The ratio of potential victims is exactly opposite that of potential offenders. This isn't quite true practically speaking because of how age and sex demographics affect the potential victim/offender pools.

    In any case, I think it's clear that blacks commit interracial crime (per capita) at a far higher rate than whites. It is arguable how much of this is due to the larger pool of potential victims, but I think the black on black crime rates suggest that is of limited relevance.
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  164. joef says:
    @res
    Whites and Hispanics really can't compete with Blacks in per capita rates for rape and (especially) murder.

    Here is the data:
    https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/crime-in-the-u.s.-2015/tables/table-43
    But don't let that get in the way of your attempt at a narrative, Corvinus.

    Yes, too many fantasy narratives, on how people wish things are, get in the way. Its tough for them to examine things as they truly are. Sometimes its their own assumption that if they did not personally experience it, or the MSM did not report it, or an academic did not teach it, it does not exist (because they prefer it not to exist).

    For the rest of us, who actually lived in the urban reality, it comes down to this simple core of relevance (using Occam’s Razor): Radical afro american entitlements is slowly bankrupting us on the local/state/national levels (at differing rates). When this process is completed, and there is no more extortion to give, then the afro american initiated race war will begin where they exist at a high population density levels. All lib methods of appeasing afro hostility have proven fruitless, and the afros themselves have no incentive to change, thus there is no diversion from our future course.

    Urban policing has been shut down by leftist obfuscations that excuses afro violence with the result of the afros themselves being killed by each other at an ever more increasing rate. The MSM expects all of us to lament this fact, but the afros are actually suffering from the fate that they themselves created. Afro thugs killing afro thugs has an unintended benefit, because for everyone of them killed saves countless of future potential victims (of all races) from their criminality. Thus my advice to urban ghetto cops is to lay low and only get minimally involved (why risk your life and career to save the ungrateful radical afro from each other),

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  165. Clyde says:

    This is an error in simple logic that I have read her continuously for years. In comparing black on white crime to the inverse, the ratio of people is the same, so it makes no difference.

    Wrong! Aside from the US black population being about about one fifth of the US white population. The number of blacks per one hundred thousand blacks committing interracial crimes is much higher than the number of whites per one hundred thousand whites committing interracial crime. No ratio needed here but the above two numbers will be very interesting. .

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  166. res says:
    @Truth

    That black on white crime is lots more common than the opposite.
     
    In the global, historical perspective, the white on ANYBODY crime rate is ridiculously higher than the inverse. Sorry Bro, don't shoot the messenger.


    And that this interracial crime wave is generated by a population roughly one fifth the size of America’s white population

     

    This is an error in simple logic that I have read her continuously for years. In comparing black on white crime to the inverse, the ratio of people is the same, so it makes no difference.



    Where is Hillary anyway? Laying low in recovery mode…glad that she lost.
     
    I was entertained by the fact that she lost, but as I've said here repeatedly; Barry, Donna, Hill-Billy, doesn't matter, one Satanist puppet is just as bad as the next.

    This is an error in simple logic that I have read her continuously for years. In comparing black on white crime to the inverse, the ratio of people is the same, so it makes no difference.

    Not exactly. The ratio of potential victims is exactly opposite that of potential offenders. This isn’t quite true practically speaking because of how age and sex demographics affect the potential victim/offender pools.

    In any case, I think it’s clear that blacks commit interracial crime (per capita) at a far higher rate than whites. It is arguable how much of this is due to the larger pool of potential victims, but I think the black on black crime rates suggest that is of limited relevance.

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  167. Corvinus says:
    @res
    Whites and Hispanics really can't compete with Blacks in per capita rates for rape and (especially) murder.

    Here is the data:
    https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/crime-in-the-u.s.-2015/tables/table-43
    But don't let that get in the way of your attempt at a narrative, Corvinus.

    I am well aware of the narrative. Blacks and Hispanics commit violent crimes in larger proportions compared to their population. Because genetics, not environment. Yet, whites STILL commit more crimes in larger overall numbers. Would not their propensity also be indicative of nature rather than nurture? Now, as far as I know, the source does NOT account for repeat offenders, nor multiple charges for a perpetrator. So this data is skewed for all races.

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    I am well aware of the narrative. Blacks and Hispanics commit violent crimes in larger proportions compared to their population. Because genetics, not environment.
     
    So aware you don't acknowledge the presence of multiple competing narratives? The narrative you give is neither the Narrative nor your own beliefs (AFAICT anyway). Not sure how many believe "Because genetics, not environment" outside of your strawman world, but my experience is that few people believe in a zero environmental contribution.

    Would not their propensity also be indicative of nature rather than nurture?
     
    Probably (at least if you say "in addition to" rather than "rather"). We're all human after all and humans can be violent.


    Now, as far as I know, the source does NOT account for repeat offenders, nor multiple charges for a perpetrator. So this data is skewed for all races.
     
    Perhaps. Care to take a guess at which direction the data skews? (Are repeat offenders and multiple charges more likely to happen for blacks or whites?) Or even better, provide evidence/analysis? Right, you are just spewing FUD like a good cuttlefish spews ink when confronted with a situation it does not like. It is really a bummer when reality fails to conform to your views, isn't it?
    , @joef
    nurture/nature? It really does not matter. Afros (not Hispanics) are unfortunately the most destructive force in this nation regardless of the reason for it. And this applies to our nation's finances as well as social decay and crime. The situation will eventually self correct itself when the afros exceed our collective financial carrying capacity, and we will all suffer from the results.

    And for what? Just so to allow afros, libs, and lefties to blame whitey in order to feel good about their own self created shortcomings and failures. These unproductive & misguided efforts at dismissing afro culpability, while making the rest of us pay for it, will be the ruin of us all (including blacks).

    What cannot be ignored is that afros kill more people in this nation than any other group, including terrorism. And ignoring that fact does not make it any less true. And we didn't even have scarcity yet.

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  168. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @anon

    And so you apparently think that Central and South America — specifically Honduras, El Salvador, and Venezuela, which are in the top 5 of both lists — are places “where blacks are numerous.”
     
    There's a lot of African dna in central America.

    The first slave sugar plantations weren't built in the Americas they were built on the Atlantic islands and a mixed population called Atlantic Creole was created on those islands and those Atlantic Creoles became a large part of the founding populations of central America.

    However - at the same time some of those countries probably also have amerindian HG ancestry.

    Not so for Central America (except for Belize) as much as for the Caribbean and coastal S. America.

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    yes - hence my thinking that if the cause is relatively recent HG ancestry then it could equally be native HG dna

    however if 13% is responsible for 50% of the homicides in the US then 8% or so in a lot of central America is significant

    (although i still think looking for a native HG correlation is more productive as the argument over nature vs nurture becomes clearer if *all* relatively recently HG groups have a high homicide rate)

    #

    http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1003925

    https://stanfordcehg.wordpress.com/2013/11/26/genomic-analyses-of-ancestry-of-caribbean-populations/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_Central_America#Afro_Central_Americans

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Creole (you have to read between the lines a bit with this group)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miskito_people

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garifuna_people

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caracoles

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  169. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @anon

    If, as you say, the culling of warrior genes was consequent to agricultural development, then it can’t account for urbanization, which was the logical outgrowth of industrialization of agriculture.
     
    Well you explain how it accounts for urbanization yourself - urbanization is generally a consequence of agriculture so if the culling process begins with the switch to farming and the farming surplus leads to towns then the culling process would extend to the towns also - probably more so in fact if crowding magnified it.

    #

    I'd agree that over crowding is a big factor but imo one that magnifies whatever the genetic base rate is. If so then relatively recent and sudden urbanization would lead to a big spike.

    Say

    violence = base violence factor * crowding factor

    and the base factor was 3

    and the rural/urban crowding factors were 1 and 2 respectively

    then the final scores would be rural 3 and urban 6.

    If correct then whenever you get sudden urbanization with a rural population rapidly moving to a cities then you would expect a massive spike in violence.

    (That could be a factor in China's homicide rate also.)

    (Although another factor in that is when you get rapid moves to the cities it is often young men who go first creating a disproportion.)

    Good points all, particularly on China, though I’d amend to say that urbanization is the outgrowth of industrialization of agriculture. Agriculture leads to permanent settlement, which within certain parameters allows for spread but not necessarily urbanization; mechanization leads to surplus labor and thus to urbanization, although obviously things like population size and level of technological advancement are also important. That is, it didn’t take the industrial revolution for the Sumerians to urbanize, but it did take the IR for the Brits to do it, at least in part because the larger population of the U.K. in 1600 required more Brits stay on farms, whereas the population of Sumer circa 3500 BC was small enough that irrigation was an advanced enough technology to give rise to surplus labor and thus urbanization (Ur, Babylon, etc.).

    I hope that makes sense.

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  170. Svigor says:

    I am well aware of the narrative. Blacks and Hispanics commit violent crimes in larger proportions compared to their population. Because genetics, not environment. Yet, whites STILL commit more crimes in larger overall numbers. Would not their propensity also be indicative of nature rather than nurture? Now, as far as I know, the source does NOT account for repeat offenders, nor multiple charges for a perpetrator. So this data is skewed for all races.

    One doubts one’s ability to reason with a creature like Corvanus (did it get it’s handle from a stupid vampire movie series, swiped from an angsty emo roleplaying game?). This mess doesn’t even rise to what is expected of fifth-graders. Anyone who can find and explain some relevant point here, please do speak up. Anyone other than Corvanus, I mean; Corvanus obviously thinks he can make a coherent point, but belief and ability are not synonymous.

    I suppose I can answer one valid (if tendentious) question, only half-covered in Corvanus’ mental muck: YES, of course the null hypothesis is to answer the nature vs. nurture question in a race-neutral way; that is, yes, the default assumption is that nature and nurture determinative in the same ratio for the various races (though on the other hand, on any given specific, there’s no reason to be dogmatic about it; it’s merely the default assumption).

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  171. res says:
    @Corvinus
    I am well aware of the narrative. Blacks and Hispanics commit violent crimes in larger proportions compared to their population. Because genetics, not environment. Yet, whites STILL commit more crimes in larger overall numbers. Would not their propensity also be indicative of nature rather than nurture? Now, as far as I know, the source does NOT account for repeat offenders, nor multiple charges for a perpetrator. So this data is skewed for all races.

    I am well aware of the narrative. Blacks and Hispanics commit violent crimes in larger proportions compared to their population. Because genetics, not environment.

    So aware you don’t acknowledge the presence of multiple competing narratives? The narrative you give is neither the Narrative nor your own beliefs (AFAICT anyway). Not sure how many believe “Because genetics, not environment” outside of your strawman world, but my experience is that few people believe in a zero environmental contribution.

    Would not their propensity also be indicative of nature rather than nurture?

    Probably (at least if you say “in addition to” rather than “rather”). We’re all human after all and humans can be violent.

    Now, as far as I know, the source does NOT account for repeat offenders, nor multiple charges for a perpetrator. So this data is skewed for all races.

    Perhaps. Care to take a guess at which direction the data skews? (Are repeat offenders and multiple charges more likely to happen for blacks or whites?) Or even better, provide evidence/analysis? Right, you are just spewing FUD like a good cuttlefish spews ink when confronted with a situation it does not like. It is really a bummer when reality fails to conform to your views, isn’t it?

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    "So aware you don’t acknowledge the presence of multiple competing narratives?"

    Are you that dense? The narrative I am referring to the one that is popularized here--blacks compared to whites are genetically hardwired for violence, and that environmental factors play little role.

    "Not sure how many believe “Because genetics, not environment” outside of your strawman world, but my experience is that few people believe in a zero environmental contribution."

    YOUR experience. The competing positions consists of those who believe blacks commit violence 1) primarily because of genetics, or 2) because of a combination of genetics and environment, or 3) primarily because of environment. What is YOUR position?

    "Probably (at least if you say “in addition to” rather than “rather”). We’re all human after all and humans can be violent."

    And based on sheer numbers, more whites than blacks are genetically inclined to commit murder and rape, if one is taking a nature approach to violence.

    "Perhaps. Care to take a guess at which direction the data skews? (Are repeat offenders and multiple charges more likely to happen for blacks or whites?) Or even better, provide evidence/analysis?"

    I'm sure it skews toward blacks regarding repeat offenders. But do people here take the caveat that I presented into account?

    "Right, you are just spewing FUD like a good cuttlefish spews ink when confronted with a situation it does not like. It is really a bummer when reality fails to conform to your views, isn’t it?"

    I get it. Blacks are dumb. Blacks are violent. Blacks are evil. Yada, yada, yada.

    Still doesn't change the fact that more whites in sheer numbers commit more violent crimes. So, in this case, is it because primarily due to genetics, a combination of genetics and environment, or primarily due to environment? Please do tell...
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  172. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @anon
    Not so for Central America (except for Belize) as much as for the Caribbean and coastal S. America.

    yes – hence my thinking that if the cause is relatively recent HG ancestry then it could equally be native HG dna

    however if 13% is responsible for 50% of the homicides in the US then 8% or so in a lot of central America is significant

    (although i still think looking for a native HG correlation is more productive as the argument over nature vs nurture becomes clearer if *all* relatively recently HG groups have a high homicide rate)

    #

    http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1003925

    https://stanfordcehg.wordpress.com/2013/11/26/genomic-analyses-of-ancestry-of-caribbean-populations/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_Central_America#Afro_Central_Americans

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Creole (you have to read between the lines a bit with this group)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miskito_people

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garifuna_people

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caracoles

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    replying to self

    (although i still think looking for a native HG correlation is more productive as the argument over nature vs nurture becomes clearer if *all* relatively recently HG groups have a high homicide rate)
     
    we already know it's true of some recently ex HG groups: Aborigines, Native Americans, Eskimo etc and no doubt there are many other factors but if it was true of all South and/or Central American recently HG populations and mixed populations (and Asian in some cases e.g. Hmong) then it could get away from "it's a black thing" to "it's a recent HG thing."

    This won't effect the media as their agenda is different but it might tempt some SJWs to change sides - as potentially halving the homicide rate would end an awful lot of unnecessary bleeding.
    , @Anon
    It isn't likely that HG groups in general have a greater tendency toward violence because violence as a trait only becomes evolutionarily favorable when there's property to protect. Some research suggests that pastoralism and herding societies tend to select particularly robustly for violence since a reputation for violence is often necessary to protect herds, particularly before the advent of branding. Conversely, HG societies, being largely property deprived would tend to select for cooperativeness and thus against violence.

    Expanding this point out to race in the U.S., it's important to remember that most West Africans were already living in complex non-HG societies by 1600. If some genetic trait were inherent favoring violence, it would be one consonant with a sedentary lifestyle. Some research suggests that living around Southern whites was a major factor, since the Scottish and highlander backgrounds of these populations would have selected for violence. At some point, imitation becomes a behavior that is favored evolutionarily.
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  173. joef says:
    @Corvinus
    I am well aware of the narrative. Blacks and Hispanics commit violent crimes in larger proportions compared to their population. Because genetics, not environment. Yet, whites STILL commit more crimes in larger overall numbers. Would not their propensity also be indicative of nature rather than nurture? Now, as far as I know, the source does NOT account for repeat offenders, nor multiple charges for a perpetrator. So this data is skewed for all races.

    nurture/nature? It really does not matter. Afros (not Hispanics) are unfortunately the most destructive force in this nation regardless of the reason for it. And this applies to our nation’s finances as well as social decay and crime. The situation will eventually self correct itself when the afros exceed our collective financial carrying capacity, and we will all suffer from the results.

    And for what? Just so to allow afros, libs, and lefties to blame whitey in order to feel good about their own self created shortcomings and failures. These unproductive & misguided efforts at dismissing afro culpability, while making the rest of us pay for it, will be the ruin of us all (including blacks).

    What cannot be ignored is that afros kill more people in this nation than any other group, including terrorism. And ignoring that fact does not make it any less true. And we didn’t even have scarcity yet.

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    "nurture/nature? It really does not matter."

    Actually, it DOES matter. Ask the HBD'er crowd how nature plays a role in black dysfunction.

    "Afros (not Hispanics) are unfortunately the most destructive force in this nation regardless of the reason for it."

    No, the factors as to why blacks are violent are critically important to understand.

    And this applies to our nation’s finances as well as social decay and crime. The situation will eventually self correct itself when the afros exceed our collective financial carrying capacity, and we will all suffer from the results.

    "These unproductive & misguided efforts at dismissing afro culpability, while making the rest of us pay for it, will be the ruin of us all (including blacks)."

    [Sigh] Ok, Chicken Little. What are YOU doing about this situation? How are you going to help matters?
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  174. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @anon
    yes - hence my thinking that if the cause is relatively recent HG ancestry then it could equally be native HG dna

    however if 13% is responsible for 50% of the homicides in the US then 8% or so in a lot of central America is significant

    (although i still think looking for a native HG correlation is more productive as the argument over nature vs nurture becomes clearer if *all* relatively recently HG groups have a high homicide rate)

    #

    http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1003925

    https://stanfordcehg.wordpress.com/2013/11/26/genomic-analyses-of-ancestry-of-caribbean-populations/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_Central_America#Afro_Central_Americans

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Creole (you have to read between the lines a bit with this group)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miskito_people

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garifuna_people

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caracoles

    replying to self

    (although i still think looking for a native HG correlation is more productive as the argument over nature vs nurture becomes clearer if *all* relatively recently HG groups have a high homicide rate)

    we already know it’s true of some recently ex HG groups: Aborigines, Native Americans, Eskimo etc and no doubt there are many other factors but if it was true of all South and/or Central American recently HG populations and mixed populations (and Asian in some cases e.g. Hmong) then it could get away from “it’s a black thing” to “it’s a recent HG thing.”

    This won’t effect the media as their agenda is different but it might tempt some SJWs to change sides – as potentially halving the homicide rate would end an awful lot of unnecessary bleeding.

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  175. Junior says:
    @Truth

    My apologies. I’ll let you get back to your White Al Sharpton’s latest showing of “How to keep Prisoners attacking each other instead of their Jailers.”
     
    I think that show won a Golden Globe last week.

    I think that show won a Golden Globe last week.

    Speaking of the Golden Globes, can I just say how absolutely PROUD I am that Meryl Streep showed such courage in her criticism of Trump for mocking that reporter. The man has a VERY serious condition because he has been disabled by one of the WORST diseases that a person can get… the disease of Liberalism.

    The disease of Liberalism is no joking matter and we should be trying to help people that have been afflicted with it. I myself, am a recovering Liberal so I know the intense pain that this man and Meryl feel when being mocked for it. Thankfully, mine has gone into remission but that does not mean that I will just allow my Pointy-Headed Liberal fellow Americans to be mocked for it. I remember where I came from. They need help for their disability, NOT jokes about them!

    That’s why it’s so great that Meryl has brought this issue to the forefront. SHAME ON YOU, MR. TRUMP!

    Well done, Meryl! Let your pointy-headed flag wave high for all the world to see that the disability of Liberalism is NO joking matter!

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    Here's what REAL courage looks like when accepting an award:

    And I salute you. And I pay tribute to you and I think you should be very proud that in the last few weeks you've stood firm. And you have refused to be intimidated by the threats of a small bunch of Zionist Hoodlums, whose behavior is an insult to the stature of Jews all over the world and to their great and heroic record of struggle against Facism and Oppression. And I pledge to you that I will continue to fight against Anti-Semitism and Facism. Thank You.
    - Vanessa Redgrave accepting the Best Supporting Actress Award at the 1978 Oscars

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeGWxHvKs48
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  176. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @anon
    yes - hence my thinking that if the cause is relatively recent HG ancestry then it could equally be native HG dna

    however if 13% is responsible for 50% of the homicides in the US then 8% or so in a lot of central America is significant

    (although i still think looking for a native HG correlation is more productive as the argument over nature vs nurture becomes clearer if *all* relatively recently HG groups have a high homicide rate)

    #

    http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1003925

    https://stanfordcehg.wordpress.com/2013/11/26/genomic-analyses-of-ancestry-of-caribbean-populations/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_Central_America#Afro_Central_Americans

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Creole (you have to read between the lines a bit with this group)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miskito_people

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garifuna_people

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caracoles

    It isn’t likely that HG groups in general have a greater tendency toward violence because violence as a trait only becomes evolutionarily favorable when there’s property to protect. Some research suggests that pastoralism and herding societies tend to select particularly robustly for violence since a reputation for violence is often necessary to protect herds, particularly before the advent of branding. Conversely, HG societies, being largely property deprived would tend to select for cooperativeness and thus against violence.

    Expanding this point out to race in the U.S., it’s important to remember that most West Africans were already living in complex non-HG societies by 1600. If some genetic trait were inherent favoring violence, it would be one consonant with a sedentary lifestyle. Some research suggests that living around Southern whites was a major factor, since the Scottish and highlander backgrounds of these populations would have selected for violence. At some point, imitation becomes a behavior that is favored evolutionarily.

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    It isn’t likely that HG groups in general have a greater tendency toward violence because violence as a trait only becomes evolutionarily favorable when there’s property to protect.
     
    it's the other way round

    violence becomes evolutionarily favorable whenever it leads to reproductive success

    so if there's no property to attract females with then violence becomes a bigger factor

    (however more importantly imo selection for these genes isn't necessarily for human vs human conflict - killer genes are useful to the hunter part of hunter-gatherer - the human vs human part could be a side effect)

    (has anyone ever checked tigers for MAOA?)

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  177. Junior says:
    @Junior

    I think that show won a Golden Globe last week.
     
    Speaking of the Golden Globes, can I just say how absolutely PROUD I am that Meryl Streep showed such courage in her criticism of Trump for mocking that reporter. The man has a VERY serious condition because he has been disabled by one of the WORST diseases that a person can get... the disease of Liberalism.

    The disease of Liberalism is no joking matter and we should be trying to help people that have been afflicted with it. I myself, am a recovering Liberal so I know the intense pain that this man and Meryl feel when being mocked for it. Thankfully, mine has gone into remission but that does not mean that I will just allow my Pointy-Headed Liberal fellow Americans to be mocked for it. I remember where I came from. They need help for their disability, NOT jokes about them!

    That's why it's so great that Meryl has brought this issue to the forefront. SHAME ON YOU, MR. TRUMP!

    Well done, Meryl! Let your pointy-headed flag wave high for all the world to see that the disability of Liberalism is NO joking matter!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aYFC_7ZIn4

    Here’s what REAL courage looks like when accepting an award:

    And I salute you. And I pay tribute to you and I think you should be very proud that in the last few weeks you’ve stood firm. And you have refused to be intimidated by the threats of a small bunch of Zionist Hoodlums, whose behavior is an insult to the stature of Jews all over the world and to their great and heroic record of struggle against Facism and Oppression. And I pledge to you that I will continue to fight against Anti-Semitism and Facism. Thank You.
    - Vanessa Redgrave accepting the Best Supporting Actress Award at the 1978 Oscars

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  178. Loose shoes, a warm place to go to the bathroom, and a tight vagina and none of this would be happening.

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  179. KenH says:
    @Gene Su
    KenH, yours is one of the more disgusting comments I have read. If we let Dylann Roof of the hook because "blacks are generally attacking whites", then blacks are within their rights to attack whites because "whitey was oppressing them" (maybe a few decades ago). Now that Dylann Roof is sentenced to death, I'm hoping he gets executed on national television alongside a couple of black wannabe bangers who accidentally shot up an innocent child. That way, they won't have a thing to complain about.

    KenH, yours is one of the more disgusting comments I have read.

    That’s because you’re an anti-white bigot who’s incapable of objectivity or of seeing things from the white point of view. You’re also are in dire need of a history lesson since blacks were slaves in Africa, there were black slave owners in America (some treated their black slaves brutally), and some whites were consigned to indentured servitude.

    then blacks are within their rights to attack whites because “whitey was oppressing them” (maybe a few decades ago).

    Blacks no longer have reasons for attacking whites other than to punish them for their own failures in life and/or an atavistic, irrational hatred.

    Since 1965 this nation has spent trillions of dollars, upended the Constitution and persecuted and mocked whites all for the sake of helping blacks and atoning for past wrongs, both real and imaginary. And for that blacks hate us even more and have waged a one sided race war against whites judging by the interracial violent crime statistics. Many black leaders and commentators either applaud, excuse, ignore or gloss over this reality, so do you find this as “disgusting” as you find my comments? White commentators and leaders don’t want to dare be seen siding with their own people since that’s “racism” and “white supremacy”.

    No such effort has been made to redress the legitimate grievances of whites since 1965 or address the disparity in interracial crime and permit whites to take appropriate action to protect their schools and communities. Dylan Roof was acutely aware of the race war being waged on his people and the deliberate refusal of the establishment to acknowledge it and institute corrective action and he snapped.

    Enlighten me on your solution to the race problem.

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    That’s because you’re an anti-white bigot who’s incapable of objectivity or of seeing things from the white point of view.
     
    Sinking to ad hominem name-calling, are we? I was mugged twice by "Knee-Grows" in New York. I know to avoid them and not to send my children to a public school full of blacks. That doesn't give anyone the right to excuse Dylann Roof, though.

    You’re also are in dire need of a history lesson since blacks were slaves in Africa, there were black slave owners in America (some treated their black slaves brutally), and some whites were consigned to indentured servitude.
     
    I'm fully aware that Roots is a fraud. I know that the choice for blacks was NOT between slavery in America and freedom in Africa. I know that the options were slavery in Africa, slavery in the Islamic Middle East, and slavery in America. I also know that the latter was the most humane of choices for them, despite what black academics say.

    Dylan Roof was acutely aware of the race war being waged on his people and the deliberate refusal of the establishment to acknowledge it and institute corrective action and he snapped.
     
    You want a race war? Fine then. Why don't you get gangs of wannabe Klansmen to come with assault weapons to Newark, Detroit, Philadelphia, and every black urban area in America, preferably all in the same week? I'd love to see whether America's infrastructure can be taken apart by a black rebellion.

    Enlighten me on your solution to the race problem.
     
    1. Anyone who is a murderer must be executed, according to most traditional code of laws. Execute Dylann Roof on television with a firing squad. Then execute the perpetrators of the Knoxville Horror along with some wannabe gangstas. Get the ever-so photogenic Donald Trump to write up an executive order to do this. Have Jeff Sessions sign the death warrants.

    2. With non-lethal attacks like the one in Chicago the problem becomes sadly more subjective. Children, especially adolescent boys, like to get into fisticuffs. What jail sentence does a black eye warrant? Bloody nose? Broken teeth? Broken ribs? If every fist fight became a legal matter, it will clog the courts!
    But most fistfights occur in school or places like school (summer camps and day care). Young boys don't like going to school. We can lower the number of fist fights by making school non-compulsory as well as loosening child care laws so that parents can leave children unsupervised.
    , @Malla
    I remember reading in the book 'Among the Believers', a book on Islam by Nobel laureate V.S. Naipaul where a well traveled and bright Pakistani scholar tells Mr. Naipaul why islam is the best. His explanation went some thing like this: Judaism is all laws. Christianity is all about love and mercy. The Pakistani told Mr. Naipaul that such endless love and mercy will never make sense for a primitive people like Africans (yes he specifically mentions Africans), it will only anger the African further. Thus according to him, Islam is best as it includes Jewish law and Christian mercy.

    Hmmmmm...... excessive kindness and mercy actually making blacks even angrier?? This Pakistani' persons insight is what the West needs. White people have a habit of projecting their own tendencies on other races and thus suffer as a result. They believe that if Whites respond well with mercy and justice, black people will/should too. Yes there will be a few blacks who will respond in a civilized way like most White people but for the vast majority of black people 'White ways' do not work and will never work ever in the future. Maybe those apartheid (keeping the races apart) era South Africans were on to something.

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  180. Corvinus says:
    @res

    No, that would be YOU making up this alleged refusal on my part.
     
    HA HA HA! You try that after I give a direct quote and a reference to the comment where you made it. You aren't even trying to make sense anymore.

    Since you have a remarkable gift for not quoting the relevant parts of my comments, here is part of my comment 135 again (starting after the end of the strawman quote in your comment):

    Pretty laughable given that his initial statement specifically mentioned this. From your comment 106:

    “but having one example with such a strong association should have sparked massive research in the whole area – but it didn’t, cos PC.”

    Association, indeed. Correlation does NOT equal causation.
     
    Holy non sequitur Batman. Stating the association should have prompted more research says nothing about causation.

     

    I think that's sufficient evidence to support my allegation of you refusing to respond to his point (until after my comment).

    But at least you finally did respond in comment 155 with this weak equivocation:

    Depends upon the strength of that correlation and to what extent the resources required to conduct a study will be of potential scientific benefit.
     

    Because I neglected initially to agree, since I was not asked the question in the first place, that correlations that spark interest ought to be investigated, you spun it to make it appear that I was “willfully misunderstanding” anon. That is classic SJW logic on your part. You are closer to their line of thinking more than you know.

    “But at least you finally did respond in comment 155 with this weak equivocation…”

    Not weak at all. Big pharma is not about to spend oodles of cash on an “strong association” until a cost analysis is conducted, which includes to what extent is it beneficial to their bottom line and to overall progress in this particular area of research.

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  181. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Anon
    It isn't likely that HG groups in general have a greater tendency toward violence because violence as a trait only becomes evolutionarily favorable when there's property to protect. Some research suggests that pastoralism and herding societies tend to select particularly robustly for violence since a reputation for violence is often necessary to protect herds, particularly before the advent of branding. Conversely, HG societies, being largely property deprived would tend to select for cooperativeness and thus against violence.

    Expanding this point out to race in the U.S., it's important to remember that most West Africans were already living in complex non-HG societies by 1600. If some genetic trait were inherent favoring violence, it would be one consonant with a sedentary lifestyle. Some research suggests that living around Southern whites was a major factor, since the Scottish and highlander backgrounds of these populations would have selected for violence. At some point, imitation becomes a behavior that is favored evolutionarily.

    It isn’t likely that HG groups in general have a greater tendency toward violence because violence as a trait only becomes evolutionarily favorable when there’s property to protect.

    it’s the other way round

    violence becomes evolutionarily favorable whenever it leads to reproductive success

    so if there’s no property to attract females with then violence becomes a bigger factor

    (however more importantly imo selection for these genes isn’t necessarily for human vs human conflict – killer genes are useful to the hunter part of hunter-gatherer – the human vs human part could be a side effect)

    (has anyone ever checked tigers for MAOA?)

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    So there are a few problems, IMO, with your assessment. First of all, it's not clear that either resources or violence would have been essential in reproductive success among HGs. There are a couple of reasons for this. First of all, some of what we know about human sexuality (penis shape, female vocalization) indicates that early human sexuality was characterized by women having multiple partners, which of course also presumes men having multiple partners, children being raised in common, etc. Violence is only a factor in the individual, immediate contest between men for a single women, but provided there are enough women to go around, everyone gets to reproduce. When critical mass is reached and there's no longer sufficient sex partners, a band breaks off and a new one is formed. However, life expectancy is short enough and infant and maternal mortality high enough that this doesn't happen very often.

    Moreover, violence isn't really necessary to provide food sources for HGs. Most HGs hunt animals that aren't predators and are more likely to run away than fight back. Instead, we "naturally" hunt things that require a group effort to catch. Some research suggests we were essentially evolutionarily selected to hunt deer, which would explain things like why men prefer quiet, why we can run long distances without becoming exhausted, why we throw the way we do, etc. So I'm a bit hard-pressed to think of HG instances in which violence is actually a beneficial trait. Sure, you might be able to rape a woman, but the other men in the band will probably end up killing you or at least pushing you out because of the threat you pose to group cohesion. This is another fundamental misunderstanding about human evolution: yes, we evolutionarily favor "selfish genes," but not to the detriment of the core group.

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  182. Corvinus says:
    @res

    I am well aware of the narrative. Blacks and Hispanics commit violent crimes in larger proportions compared to their population. Because genetics, not environment.
     
    So aware you don't acknowledge the presence of multiple competing narratives? The narrative you give is neither the Narrative nor your own beliefs (AFAICT anyway). Not sure how many believe "Because genetics, not environment" outside of your strawman world, but my experience is that few people believe in a zero environmental contribution.

    Would not their propensity also be indicative of nature rather than nurture?
     
    Probably (at least if you say "in addition to" rather than "rather"). We're all human after all and humans can be violent.


    Now, as far as I know, the source does NOT account for repeat offenders, nor multiple charges for a perpetrator. So this data is skewed for all races.
     
    Perhaps. Care to take a guess at which direction the data skews? (Are repeat offenders and multiple charges more likely to happen for blacks or whites?) Or even better, provide evidence/analysis? Right, you are just spewing FUD like a good cuttlefish spews ink when confronted with a situation it does not like. It is really a bummer when reality fails to conform to your views, isn't it?

    “So aware you don’t acknowledge the presence of multiple competing narratives?”

    Are you that dense? The narrative I am referring to the one that is popularized here–blacks compared to whites are genetically hardwired for violence, and that environmental factors play little role.

    “Not sure how many believe “Because genetics, not environment” outside of your strawman world, but my experience is that few people believe in a zero environmental contribution.”

    YOUR experience. The competing positions consists of those who believe blacks commit violence 1) primarily because of genetics, or 2) because of a combination of genetics and environment, or 3) primarily because of environment. What is YOUR position?

    “Probably (at least if you say “in addition to” rather than “rather”). We’re all human after all and humans can be violent.”

    And based on sheer numbers, more whites than blacks are genetically inclined to commit murder and rape, if one is taking a nature approach to violence.

    “Perhaps. Care to take a guess at which direction the data skews? (Are repeat offenders and multiple charges more likely to happen for blacks or whites?) Or even better, provide evidence/analysis?”

    I’m sure it skews toward blacks regarding repeat offenders. But do people here take the caveat that I presented into account?

    “Right, you are just spewing FUD like a good cuttlefish spews ink when confronted with a situation it does not like. It is really a bummer when reality fails to conform to your views, isn’t it?”

    I get it. Blacks are dumb. Blacks are violent. Blacks are evil. Yada, yada, yada.

    Still doesn’t change the fact that more whites in sheer numbers commit more violent crimes. So, in this case, is it because primarily due to genetics, a combination of genetics and environment, or primarily due to environment? Please do tell…

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    The competing positions consists of those who believe blacks commit violence 1) primarily because of genetics, or 2) because of a combination of genetics and environment, or 3) primarily because of environment. What is YOUR position?
     
    2. of course. I am stunned that you are unable to infer that from my comments here. I also try not to deemphasize either component because both matter and which matters more may vary depending on the individuals/groups being compared (because the relative size of the genetic and environmental differences may vary). The supreme irony of taking extreme measures to equalize environments is that it only makes the genetic component seem more important.

    Also worth mentioning that there is a difference between primarily and exclusively in your 1 and 3.. One which you elide frequently while attempting to use the motte and bailey fallacy to your rhetorical advantage.

    I get it. Blacks are dumb. Blacks are violent. Blacks are evil. Yada, yada, yada.
     
    If that's how you interpret my comments you need to work on your reading comprehension.

    So, in this case, is it because primarily due to genetics, a combination of genetics and environment, or primarily due to environment? Please do tell…

     

    See above. Since this was important enough for you to ask me twice in one comment, what are your views here?

    Still doesn’t change the fact that more whites in sheer numbers commit more violent crimes.
     
    Well, except for murder and robbery. See https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/crime-in-the-u.s.-2015/tables/table-43
    Pretty impressive that the black 13% of the US population manages to commit more murders than the white 63%.
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  183. Corvinus says:
    @joef
    nurture/nature? It really does not matter. Afros (not Hispanics) are unfortunately the most destructive force in this nation regardless of the reason for it. And this applies to our nation's finances as well as social decay and crime. The situation will eventually self correct itself when the afros exceed our collective financial carrying capacity, and we will all suffer from the results.

    And for what? Just so to allow afros, libs, and lefties to blame whitey in order to feel good about their own self created shortcomings and failures. These unproductive & misguided efforts at dismissing afro culpability, while making the rest of us pay for it, will be the ruin of us all (including blacks).

    What cannot be ignored is that afros kill more people in this nation than any other group, including terrorism. And ignoring that fact does not make it any less true. And we didn't even have scarcity yet.

    “nurture/nature? It really does not matter.”

    Actually, it DOES matter. Ask the HBD’er crowd how nature plays a role in black dysfunction.

    “Afros (not Hispanics) are unfortunately the most destructive force in this nation regardless of the reason for it.”

    No, the factors as to why blacks are violent are critically important to understand.

    And this applies to our nation’s finances as well as social decay and crime. The situation will eventually self correct itself when the afros exceed our collective financial carrying capacity, and we will all suffer from the results.

    “These unproductive & misguided efforts at dismissing afro culpability, while making the rest of us pay for it, will be the ruin of us all (including blacks).”

    [Sigh] Ok, Chicken Little. What are YOU doing about this situation? How are you going to help matters?

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    [Sigh] Ok, Chicken Little. What are YOU doing about this situation? How are you going to help matters?
     
    This shtick would be a lot more effective if you would outline what YOU are doing to help matters and perhaps discuss some of your successes.
    , @joef
    There is no helping matters when the burden of afros to the country is so great, aided and abetted by misguided libs & deceitful leftist. Your obfuscations do not change reality.

    Otherwise just waiting for this historical journey to end:
    - - afros demand more & more without end;
    - - libs appease/pander/praise more (ad nauseam);
    - - the rest of us pay more to sustain the unsustainable economic afro burden;
    - - more cities go default; and then states eventually start to go into default;
    - - the federal govt picks up the tab until in cannot;
    - - by then all govt services will have been drastically reduced, to pay for more afro cry baby entitlements;
    - - eventually it will not be able to continue, everything crashes, and hardcore scarcity hits;
    - - afros (who believe that there is such a thing as a free lunch) go wild by looting, arson, and rioting;
    - - after, many afros will starve & freeze to death (being mostly incapable of self care without govt handouts) because there is no more government sugar daddy to rebuild what the afros destroyed;
    - - then after a long period of struggle, the rest of us can start to rebuild;
    - - and hopefully we will learn from the error of our ways (especially that pandering to unreasonable demands does not work with an ungrateful radicalized afro population that chooses to blame whitey for everything, instead of improving their own condition and learning to get along with people).

    We did not ask for this, it was thrusted upon us by the MSM/academia/political elites. But now we must adapt to what is coming, which is that the afro entitlement state is going to eventually exceed its carrying capacity. And without hard agreed upon solutions (we are even unwilling to agree on the problem) then there is nothing to prevent the above from happening. The chicken littles are the ones who refuse to recognize the reality of where we are heading. Pray that I am wrong!

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  184. Here’s an interesting article on predatory behavior. Note that the specific “kill” impulse is separated from social aggression (at least as far as this particular brain region – not to say that the whole brain response wouldn’t mix things).

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/01/170112130133.htm

    Social aggression/submission has been studied here:

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/06/160629135255.htm

    “Our study is the first to demonstrate that bullying behavior activates a primary brain reward circuit that makes it pleasurable to a subset of individuals,” says Scott Russo, PhD, Associate Professor of Neuroscience at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai. “Furthermore, we show that manipulating activity in this circuit alters the activity of brain cells and ultimately, aggression behavior.”

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    yes - if you have psycho genes you get a dopamine hit from doing cruel/sadistic things

    if you also have empathy genes then about 3 nano-seconds later you get a baseball bat of anti-dopamine which stops you doing it but you briefly get the pleasure part

    the compromise if you have both is beating up bullies so you get the pleasure without the guilt
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  185. res says:
    @Corvinus
    "So aware you don’t acknowledge the presence of multiple competing narratives?"

    Are you that dense? The narrative I am referring to the one that is popularized here--blacks compared to whites are genetically hardwired for violence, and that environmental factors play little role.

    "Not sure how many believe “Because genetics, not environment” outside of your strawman world, but my experience is that few people believe in a zero environmental contribution."

    YOUR experience. The competing positions consists of those who believe blacks commit violence 1) primarily because of genetics, or 2) because of a combination of genetics and environment, or 3) primarily because of environment. What is YOUR position?

    "Probably (at least if you say “in addition to” rather than “rather”). We’re all human after all and humans can be violent."

    And based on sheer numbers, more whites than blacks are genetically inclined to commit murder and rape, if one is taking a nature approach to violence.

    "Perhaps. Care to take a guess at which direction the data skews? (Are repeat offenders and multiple charges more likely to happen for blacks or whites?) Or even better, provide evidence/analysis?"

    I'm sure it skews toward blacks regarding repeat offenders. But do people here take the caveat that I presented into account?

    "Right, you are just spewing FUD like a good cuttlefish spews ink when confronted with a situation it does not like. It is really a bummer when reality fails to conform to your views, isn’t it?"

    I get it. Blacks are dumb. Blacks are violent. Blacks are evil. Yada, yada, yada.

    Still doesn't change the fact that more whites in sheer numbers commit more violent crimes. So, in this case, is it because primarily due to genetics, a combination of genetics and environment, or primarily due to environment? Please do tell...

    The competing positions consists of those who believe blacks commit violence 1) primarily because of genetics, or 2) because of a combination of genetics and environment, or 3) primarily because of environment. What is YOUR position?

    2. of course. I am stunned that you are unable to infer that from my comments here. I also try not to deemphasize either component because both matter and which matters more may vary depending on the individuals/groups being compared (because the relative size of the genetic and environmental differences may vary). The supreme irony of taking extreme measures to equalize environments is that it only makes the genetic component seem more important.

    Also worth mentioning that there is a difference between primarily and exclusively in your 1 and 3.. One which you elide frequently while attempting to use the motte and bailey fallacy to your rhetorical advantage.

    I get it. Blacks are dumb. Blacks are violent. Blacks are evil. Yada, yada, yada.

    If that’s how you interpret my comments you need to work on your reading comprehension.

    So, in this case, is it because primarily due to genetics, a combination of genetics and environment, or primarily due to environment? Please do tell…

    See above. Since this was important enough for you to ask me twice in one comment, what are your views here?

    Still doesn’t change the fact that more whites in sheer numbers commit more violent crimes.

    Well, except for murder and robbery. See https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/crime-in-the-u.s.-2015/tables/table-43
    Pretty impressive that the black 13% of the US population manages to commit more murders than the white 63%.

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    "2. of course."

    Genetics and environment each play a role in a person's actions. We agree on something.
    I would assume then that regardless of race those who commit violent crimes do so because of nature and nurture, correct? Or are of you the notion that black criminals compared to white criminals are driven by their inherent propensity to commit such acts? That is, for the biological side of things, blacks are more prone to criminality because of in born traits than whites?

    "Also worth mentioning that there is a difference between primarily and exclusively in your 1 and 3."

    So now there are people who believe in exclusively in genetics, primarily in genetics, genetics and environment, primarily in genetics, and exclusively in genetics. Fine, there are five gradients in this argument. I used primarily in the context of first and foremost.

    "Pretty impressive that the black 13% of the US population manages to commit more murders than the white 63%."

    Not impressive. Depressing.
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  186. res says:
    @Corvinus
    "nurture/nature? It really does not matter."

    Actually, it DOES matter. Ask the HBD'er crowd how nature plays a role in black dysfunction.

    "Afros (not Hispanics) are unfortunately the most destructive force in this nation regardless of the reason for it."

    No, the factors as to why blacks are violent are critically important to understand.

    And this applies to our nation’s finances as well as social decay and crime. The situation will eventually self correct itself when the afros exceed our collective financial carrying capacity, and we will all suffer from the results.

    "These unproductive & misguided efforts at dismissing afro culpability, while making the rest of us pay for it, will be the ruin of us all (including blacks)."

    [Sigh] Ok, Chicken Little. What are YOU doing about this situation? How are you going to help matters?

    [Sigh] Ok, Chicken Little. What are YOU doing about this situation? How are you going to help matters?

    This shtick would be a lot more effective if you would outline what YOU are doing to help matters and perhaps discuss some of your successes.

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    "This shtick would be a lot more effective if you would outline what YOU are doing to help matters and perhaps discuss some of your successes."

    Simple. Refrain from buying the memes of the Coalition of the Fringes Left and Right regarding "white privilege" or "race realism" or "SJW's Always Lie" or "Trump Voters Are Racist". Read liberal and conservative publications and try to sift through their Fake News.
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  187. joef says:
    @Corvinus
    "nurture/nature? It really does not matter."

    Actually, it DOES matter. Ask the HBD'er crowd how nature plays a role in black dysfunction.

    "Afros (not Hispanics) are unfortunately the most destructive force in this nation regardless of the reason for it."

    No, the factors as to why blacks are violent are critically important to understand.

    And this applies to our nation’s finances as well as social decay and crime. The situation will eventually self correct itself when the afros exceed our collective financial carrying capacity, and we will all suffer from the results.

    "These unproductive & misguided efforts at dismissing afro culpability, while making the rest of us pay for it, will be the ruin of us all (including blacks)."

    [Sigh] Ok, Chicken Little. What are YOU doing about this situation? How are you going to help matters?

    There is no helping matters when the burden of afros to the country is so great, aided and abetted by misguided libs & deceitful leftist. Your obfuscations do not change reality.

    Otherwise just waiting for this historical journey to end:
    - – afros demand more & more without end;
    - – libs appease/pander/praise more (ad nauseam);
    - – the rest of us pay more to sustain the unsustainable economic afro burden;
    - – more cities go default; and then states eventually start to go into default;
    - – the federal govt picks up the tab until in cannot;
    - – by then all govt services will have been drastically reduced, to pay for more afro cry baby entitlements;
    - – eventually it will not be able to continue, everything crashes, and hardcore scarcity hits;
    - – afros (who believe that there is such a thing as a free lunch) go wild by looting, arson, and rioting;
    - – after, many afros will starve & freeze to death (being mostly incapable of self care without govt handouts) because there is no more government sugar daddy to rebuild what the afros destroyed;
    - – then after a long period of struggle, the rest of us can start to rebuild;
    - – and hopefully we will learn from the error of our ways (especially that pandering to unreasonable demands does not work with an ungrateful radicalized afro population that chooses to blame whitey for everything, instead of improving their own condition and learning to get along with people).

    We did not ask for this, it was thrusted upon us by the MSM/academia/political elites. But now we must adapt to what is coming, which is that the afro entitlement state is going to eventually exceed its carrying capacity. And without hard agreed upon solutions (we are even unwilling to agree on the problem) then there is nothing to prevent the above from happening. The chicken littles are the ones who refuse to recognize the reality of where we are heading. Pray that I am wrong!

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    "There is no helping matters when the burden of afros to the country is so great, aided and abetted by misguided libs & deceitful leftist."

    You forgot to add those troublesome Jew elites. They are the real source of that misguidance!

    "Otherwise just waiting for this historical journey to end..."

    You should write a book. I hear Castalia House is looking for authors on this impending apocalypse.

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  188. Anon says: • Disclaimer
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    It isn’t likely that HG groups in general have a greater tendency toward violence because violence as a trait only becomes evolutionarily favorable when there’s property to protect.
     
    it's the other way round

    violence becomes evolutionarily favorable whenever it leads to reproductive success

    so if there's no property to attract females with then violence becomes a bigger factor

    (however more importantly imo selection for these genes isn't necessarily for human vs human conflict - killer genes are useful to the hunter part of hunter-gatherer - the human vs human part could be a side effect)

    (has anyone ever checked tigers for MAOA?)

    So there are a few problems, IMO, with your assessment. First of all, it’s not clear that either resources or violence would have been essential in reproductive success among HGs. There are a couple of reasons for this. First of all, some of what we know about human sexuality (penis shape, female vocalization) indicates that early human sexuality was characterized by women having multiple partners, which of course also presumes men having multiple partners, children being raised in common, etc. Violence is only a factor in the individual, immediate contest between men for a single women, but provided there are enough women to go around, everyone gets to reproduce. When critical mass is reached and there’s no longer sufficient sex partners, a band breaks off and a new one is formed. However, life expectancy is short enough and infant and maternal mortality high enough that this doesn’t happen very often.

    Moreover, violence isn’t really necessary to provide food sources for HGs. Most HGs hunt animals that aren’t predators and are more likely to run away than fight back. Instead, we “naturally” hunt things that require a group effort to catch. Some research suggests we were essentially evolutionarily selected to hunt deer, which would explain things like why men prefer quiet, why we can run long distances without becoming exhausted, why we throw the way we do, etc. So I’m a bit hard-pressed to think of HG instances in which violence is actually a beneficial trait. Sure, you might be able to rape a woman, but the other men in the band will probably end up killing you or at least pushing you out because of the threat you pose to group cohesion. This is another fundamental misunderstanding about human evolution: yes, we evolutionarily favor “selfish genes,” but not to the detriment of the core group.

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    So I’m a bit hard-pressed to think of HG instances in which violence is actually a beneficial trait.
     

    This is another fundamental misunderstanding about human evolution: yes, we evolutionarily favor “selfish genes,” but not to the detriment of the core group.
     
    Society is man's most powerful tool and weapon, but it is forged in competition - sometimes violent competition. Nature does not work in a pure "violence vs the outgroup and cooperation with the ingroup" mode, but by pitting various impulses (inside an individual brain) against each other to see what works out.

    Pace Pinker, a lot of scientists like to point out errors in Lorenz's On Aggression, but he still appears right about the social bond being bound up in aggressive behavior. Establishing a place in a social order is a struggle, often violent. That struggle prepares a group to defend its resources against competitors.

    These scientists are teasing out the biology of the dominance v. submission contest in the brain:
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/06/160629135255.htm

    , @another fred

    Sure, you might be able to rape a woman, but the other men in the band will probably end up killing you or at least pushing you out because of the threat you pose to group cohesion.
     
    Stealing (and raping) women from other groups is fairly common from HG groups all the way up to the Roman rape of the Sabine women and ISIS today.

    Seems I recall Margaret Meade writing about something called Moetotolo (sleeping rape) in Polynesia.

    , @anon

    Violence is only a factor in the individual, immediate contest between men for a single women, but provided there are enough women to go around, everyone gets to reproduce.
     
    What if one guy wants more than his share?

    Moreover, violence isn’t really necessary to provide food sources for HGs.
     
    Violence isn't necessary for killing?

    So I’m a bit hard-pressed to think of HG instances in which violence is actually a beneficial trait.
     
    The H in HG.

    Sure, you might be able to rape a woman, but the other men in the band will probably end up killing you or at least pushing you out because of the threat you pose to group cohesion.
     
    That's what gangs are for.

    #

    You're either an idiot or this is deliberate sophistry.

    #

    Anyway the basic point is - if killer genes are an HG legacy disguised by 60s hippie wishful thinking then it would be worth finding out.

    In particular any black researchers as it would shift from "it's a black thing" to it's a recent HG thing."

    And again, given that we share a lot of basic genes with other mammals then i wonder if tigers / deer share genes like MAOA?
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  189. blevene says:

    Graph is misleading. The Y axis shows absolute numbers of people at each IQ point. Since White people outnumber Black people by about 7 to 1, the Y axis for Whites is going to be larger. A more accurate portrayal of IQ differences requires that you show proportions rather than absolute numbers, e.g. X% of Black people have an IQ of 100 compared to Y% of White people with an IQ of 100.

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  190. @Anon
    So there are a few problems, IMO, with your assessment. First of all, it's not clear that either resources or violence would have been essential in reproductive success among HGs. There are a couple of reasons for this. First of all, some of what we know about human sexuality (penis shape, female vocalization) indicates that early human sexuality was characterized by women having multiple partners, which of course also presumes men having multiple partners, children being raised in common, etc. Violence is only a factor in the individual, immediate contest between men for a single women, but provided there are enough women to go around, everyone gets to reproduce. When critical mass is reached and there's no longer sufficient sex partners, a band breaks off and a new one is formed. However, life expectancy is short enough and infant and maternal mortality high enough that this doesn't happen very often.

    Moreover, violence isn't really necessary to provide food sources for HGs. Most HGs hunt animals that aren't predators and are more likely to run away than fight back. Instead, we "naturally" hunt things that require a group effort to catch. Some research suggests we were essentially evolutionarily selected to hunt deer, which would explain things like why men prefer quiet, why we can run long distances without becoming exhausted, why we throw the way we do, etc. So I'm a bit hard-pressed to think of HG instances in which violence is actually a beneficial trait. Sure, you might be able to rape a woman, but the other men in the band will probably end up killing you or at least pushing you out because of the threat you pose to group cohesion. This is another fundamental misunderstanding about human evolution: yes, we evolutionarily favor "selfish genes," but not to the detriment of the core group.

    So I’m a bit hard-pressed to think of HG instances in which violence is actually a beneficial trait.

    This is another fundamental misunderstanding about human evolution: yes, we evolutionarily favor “selfish genes,” but not to the detriment of the core group.

    Society is man’s most powerful tool and weapon, but it is forged in competition – sometimes violent competition. Nature does not work in a pure “violence vs the outgroup and cooperation with the ingroup” mode, but by pitting various impulses (inside an individual brain) against each other to see what works out.

    Pace Pinker, a lot of scientists like to point out errors in Lorenz’s On Aggression, but he still appears right about the social bond being bound up in aggressive behavior. Establishing a place in a social order is a struggle, often violent. That struggle prepares a group to defend its resources against competitors.

    These scientists are teasing out the biology of the dominance v. submission contest in the brain:

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/06/160629135255.htm

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  191. @Anon
    So there are a few problems, IMO, with your assessment. First of all, it's not clear that either resources or violence would have been essential in reproductive success among HGs. There are a couple of reasons for this. First of all, some of what we know about human sexuality (penis shape, female vocalization) indicates that early human sexuality was characterized by women having multiple partners, which of course also presumes men having multiple partners, children being raised in common, etc. Violence is only a factor in the individual, immediate contest between men for a single women, but provided there are enough women to go around, everyone gets to reproduce. When critical mass is reached and there's no longer sufficient sex partners, a band breaks off and a new one is formed. However, life expectancy is short enough and infant and maternal mortality high enough that this doesn't happen very often.

    Moreover, violence isn't really necessary to provide food sources for HGs. Most HGs hunt animals that aren't predators and are more likely to run away than fight back. Instead, we "naturally" hunt things that require a group effort to catch. Some research suggests we were essentially evolutionarily selected to hunt deer, which would explain things like why men prefer quiet, why we can run long distances without becoming exhausted, why we throw the way we do, etc. So I'm a bit hard-pressed to think of HG instances in which violence is actually a beneficial trait. Sure, you might be able to rape a woman, but the other men in the band will probably end up killing you or at least pushing you out because of the threat you pose to group cohesion. This is another fundamental misunderstanding about human evolution: yes, we evolutionarily favor "selfish genes," but not to the detriment of the core group.

    Sure, you might be able to rape a woman, but the other men in the band will probably end up killing you or at least pushing you out because of the threat you pose to group cohesion.

    Stealing (and raping) women from other groups is fairly common from HG groups all the way up to the Roman rape of the Sabine women and ISIS today.

    Seems I recall Margaret Meade writing about something called Moetotolo (sleeping rape) in Polynesia.

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    Neither the Romans nor ISIS are meaningfully HGs (if the term means, as I think it does, hunter-gatherer). And I wouldn't trust Margaret as far as I could throw her decayed remains.

    Bride capture is fairly common historically, either as part of war or otherwise; it's essentially a form of theft.

    On second thought I think I misread you; I'm sorry for seeming to contradict you if we actually agree.
    , @Anon
    Rape from other groups is common; rape within groups, except AFAIK as a punitive measure (Yanomami are a particularly notorious example), is comparatively rare.
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  192. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @another fred

    Sure, you might be able to rape a woman, but the other men in the band will probably end up killing you or at least pushing you out because of the threat you pose to group cohesion.
     
    Stealing (and raping) women from other groups is fairly common from HG groups all the way up to the Roman rape of the Sabine women and ISIS today.

    Seems I recall Margaret Meade writing about something called Moetotolo (sleeping rape) in Polynesia.

    Neither the Romans nor ISIS are meaningfully HGs (if the term means, as I think it does, hunter-gatherer). And I wouldn’t trust Margaret as far as I could throw her decayed remains.

    Bride capture is fairly common historically, either as part of war or otherwise; it’s essentially a form of theft.

    On second thought I think I misread you; I’m sorry for seeming to contradict you if we actually agree.

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    And I wouldn’t trust Margaret as far as I could throw her decayed remains.
     
    Margaret Meade is not one of my heroes, but since most of her lies were told to "pacify" the groups she studied, I trust more when she reluctantly admits to the darker side of humanity. IIRC, she did try to put the best face she could on "sleeping rape."
    , @another fred
    To try to be a little more clear about my point:

    A lot of current science (at least that which makes sense to me) shows that there are "modules" in the brain that interact, but some of them, maybe most, are pretty much single function, i.e. the module for sexual arousal causes sexual arousal, full stop. Circumstances and "targets" are mediated by interaction with other modules and by "learning" in the neocortex. The varied experiences and interactions are why we can get so much variation in human sexual behavior. Without arousal there is little sexual behavior in test animals (not "none").

    The same goes for "violence" in its different forms (e.g. hunting v. dominance, etc.). It is therefore not possible to talk about "HG instances in which violence is actually a beneficial trait" as violence, as a trait, is not subject to "instances" only its expression is.

    To the larger point of discussion regarding the expression in HG groups: MAOA is believed to act by oxidizing (consuming) monoamines like serotonin and dopamine (the "reward" chemicals in the brain). They (mostly dopamine) are very primitive and "reward" social animals (and others) for different behaviors essential to life including the four "Fs", feeding, fighting, fleeing, and reproducing.

    The theory on the more active MAO-As is that they have evolved to inhibit impulses, including to violence, by more strongly consuming the monoamine that provides the reward for violence when the other parts of the brain send inhibitory signals. It is not that HG groups evolved a less active (more inhibitory) version than "civilized" groups, but vice-versa. The more active version has been selected (maybe evolved) because of the greater need for inhibiting violence in more crowded groups. There is evidence that it inhibits more impulses than just that for violence. Violence is itself a complex behavior, not one thing.

    The science is new, but it is quite likely, by theory, that our primitive ancestors had much less active versions still, and were much more likely to act on impulse. MAO-A is not the whole story, other things, like tachykinins (substance "P") seem to be also involved. Tachykinin means "fast action", like "fast twitch" muscles, but we won't go there.

    , @anon

    Neither the Romans nor ISIS are meaningfully HGs
     
    That's not the argument.

    The argument is whether genes for violence ultimately stem from those times and that groups with the longest history of settled farming have the least and populations with the shortest history of settled farming have the most.
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  193. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @another fred

    Sure, you might be able to rape a woman, but the other men in the band will probably end up killing you or at least pushing you out because of the threat you pose to group cohesion.
     
    Stealing (and raping) women from other groups is fairly common from HG groups all the way up to the Roman rape of the Sabine women and ISIS today.

    Seems I recall Margaret Meade writing about something called Moetotolo (sleeping rape) in Polynesia.

    Rape from other groups is common; rape within groups, except AFAIK as a punitive measure (Yanomami are a particularly notorious example), is comparatively rare.

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  194. @Anon
    Neither the Romans nor ISIS are meaningfully HGs (if the term means, as I think it does, hunter-gatherer). And I wouldn't trust Margaret as far as I could throw her decayed remains.

    Bride capture is fairly common historically, either as part of war or otherwise; it's essentially a form of theft.

    On second thought I think I misread you; I'm sorry for seeming to contradict you if we actually agree.

    And I wouldn’t trust Margaret as far as I could throw her decayed remains.

    Margaret Meade is not one of my heroes, but since most of her lies were told to “pacify” the groups she studied, I trust more when she reluctantly admits to the darker side of humanity. IIRC, she did try to put the best face she could on “sleeping rape.”

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  195. @Anon
    Neither the Romans nor ISIS are meaningfully HGs (if the term means, as I think it does, hunter-gatherer). And I wouldn't trust Margaret as far as I could throw her decayed remains.

    Bride capture is fairly common historically, either as part of war or otherwise; it's essentially a form of theft.

    On second thought I think I misread you; I'm sorry for seeming to contradict you if we actually agree.

    To try to be a little more clear about my point:

    A lot of current science (at least that which makes sense to me) shows that there are “modules” in the brain that interact, but some of them, maybe most, are pretty much single function, i.e. the module for sexual arousal causes sexual arousal, full stop. Circumstances and “targets” are mediated by interaction with other modules and by “learning” in the neocortex. The varied experiences and interactions are why we can get so much variation in human sexual behavior. Without arousal there is little sexual behavior in test animals (not “none”).

    The same goes for “violence” in its different forms (e.g. hunting v. dominance, etc.). It is therefore not possible to talk about “HG instances in which violence is actually a beneficial trait” as violence, as a trait, is not subject to “instances” only its expression is.

    To the larger point of discussion regarding the expression in HG groups: MAOA is believed to act by oxidizing (consuming) monoamines like serotonin and dopamine (the “reward” chemicals in the brain). They (mostly dopamine) are very primitive and “reward” social animals (and others) for different behaviors essential to life including the four “Fs”, feeding, fighting, fleeing, and reproducing.

    The theory on the more active MAO-As is that they have evolved to inhibit impulses, including to violence, by more strongly consuming the monoamine that provides the reward for violence when the other parts of the brain send inhibitory signals. It is not that HG groups evolved a less active (more inhibitory) version than “civilized” groups, but vice-versa. The more active version has been selected (maybe evolved) because of the greater need for inhibiting violence in more crowded groups. There is evidence that it inhibits more impulses than just that for violence. Violence is itself a complex behavior, not one thing.

    The science is new, but it is quite likely, by theory, that our primitive ancestors had much less active versions still, and were much more likely to act on impulse. MAO-A is not the whole story, other things, like tachykinins (substance “P”) seem to be also involved. Tachykinin means “fast action”, like “fast twitch” muscles, but we won’t go there.

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    Crap!

    It is not that HG groups evolved a less active (more less inhibitory) version than “civilized” groups, but vice-versa.
    , @anon

    The theory on the more active MAO-As is that they have evolved to inhibit impulses, including to violence, by more strongly consuming the monoamine that provides the reward for violence when the other parts of the brain send inhibitory signals.
     
    sounds a bit like my experience
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  196. @another fred
    To try to be a little more clear about my point:

    A lot of current science (at least that which makes sense to me) shows that there are "modules" in the brain that interact, but some of them, maybe most, are pretty much single function, i.e. the module for sexual arousal causes sexual arousal, full stop. Circumstances and "targets" are mediated by interaction with other modules and by "learning" in the neocortex. The varied experiences and interactions are why we can get so much variation in human sexual behavior. Without arousal there is little sexual behavior in test animals (not "none").

    The same goes for "violence" in its different forms (e.g. hunting v. dominance, etc.). It is therefore not possible to talk about "HG instances in which violence is actually a beneficial trait" as violence, as a trait, is not subject to "instances" only its expression is.

    To the larger point of discussion regarding the expression in HG groups: MAOA is believed to act by oxidizing (consuming) monoamines like serotonin and dopamine (the "reward" chemicals in the brain). They (mostly dopamine) are very primitive and "reward" social animals (and others) for different behaviors essential to life including the four "Fs", feeding, fighting, fleeing, and reproducing.

    The theory on the more active MAO-As is that they have evolved to inhibit impulses, including to violence, by more strongly consuming the monoamine that provides the reward for violence when the other parts of the brain send inhibitory signals. It is not that HG groups evolved a less active (more inhibitory) version than "civilized" groups, but vice-versa. The more active version has been selected (maybe evolved) because of the greater need for inhibiting violence in more crowded groups. There is evidence that it inhibits more impulses than just that for violence. Violence is itself a complex behavior, not one thing.

    The science is new, but it is quite likely, by theory, that our primitive ancestors had much less active versions still, and were much more likely to act on impulse. MAO-A is not the whole story, other things, like tachykinins (substance "P") seem to be also involved. Tachykinin means "fast action", like "fast twitch" muscles, but we won't go there.

    Crap!

    It is not that HG groups evolved a less active (more less inhibitory) version than “civilized” groups, but vice-versa.

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  197. Corvinus says:
    @res

    [Sigh] Ok, Chicken Little. What are YOU doing about this situation? How are you going to help matters?
     
    This shtick would be a lot more effective if you would outline what YOU are doing to help matters and perhaps discuss some of your successes.

    “This shtick would be a lot more effective if you would outline what YOU are doing to help matters and perhaps discuss some of your successes.”

    Simple. Refrain from buying the memes of the Coalition of the Fringes Left and Right regarding “white privilege” or “race realism” or “SJW’s Always Lie” or “Trump Voters Are Racist”. Read liberal and conservative publications and try to sift through their Fake News.

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  198. joef says:

    The nature/nurture/IQ arguments are not as important as the results of all this afro caused societal decay. We are way beyond the intellectual exercise of deciding what the root causes are, and are instead suffering the consequences of dealing with the unsustainable burdens of a hostile unproductive class of people. The nation is suffering a bring down from a group of people who collectively take more than they give, and eventually there will not be anything left to take. Then we will all reap what liberals sowed (and that is why libs cannot handle reality, because they do not believe in the concept of reaping what you sow… they hate the idea of consequences).

    Intellectual debates on how we got here may be interesting, but its not going to solve our continuing decline. If the unproductive hostile afros would just go back to Africa (of course the Africans wouldn’t really want them), the majority of this nation’s problems would go with them. But of course they won’t go back, because they know they have it too good here living off the dole. But eventually the dole will run out.

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  199. Corvinus says:
    @res

    The competing positions consists of those who believe blacks commit violence 1) primarily because of genetics, or 2) because of a combination of genetics and environment, or 3) primarily because of environment. What is YOUR position?
     
    2. of course. I am stunned that you are unable to infer that from my comments here. I also try not to deemphasize either component because both matter and which matters more may vary depending on the individuals/groups being compared (because the relative size of the genetic and environmental differences may vary). The supreme irony of taking extreme measures to equalize environments is that it only makes the genetic component seem more important.

    Also worth mentioning that there is a difference between primarily and exclusively in your 1 and 3.. One which you elide frequently while attempting to use the motte and bailey fallacy to your rhetorical advantage.

    I get it. Blacks are dumb. Blacks are violent. Blacks are evil. Yada, yada, yada.
     
    If that's how you interpret my comments you need to work on your reading comprehension.

    So, in this case, is it because primarily due to genetics, a combination of genetics and environment, or primarily due to environment? Please do tell…

     

    See above. Since this was important enough for you to ask me twice in one comment, what are your views here?

    Still doesn’t change the fact that more whites in sheer numbers commit more violent crimes.
     
    Well, except for murder and robbery. See https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/crime-in-the-u.s.-2015/tables/table-43
    Pretty impressive that the black 13% of the US population manages to commit more murders than the white 63%.

    “2. of course.”

    Genetics and environment each play a role in a person’s actions. We agree on something.
    I would assume then that regardless of race those who commit violent crimes do so because of nature and nurture, correct? Or are of you the notion that black criminals compared to white criminals are driven by their inherent propensity to commit such acts? That is, for the biological side of things, blacks are more prone to criminality because of in born traits than whites?

    “Also worth mentioning that there is a difference between primarily and exclusively in your 1 and 3.”

    So now there are people who believe in exclusively in genetics, primarily in genetics, genetics and environment, primarily in genetics, and exclusively in genetics. Fine, there are five gradients in this argument. I used primarily in the context of first and foremost.

    “Pretty impressive that the black 13% of the US population manages to commit more murders than the white 63%.”

    Not impressive. Depressing.

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    We agree on a fair bit it seems (as we discover whenever we drill down into details). I have trouble seeing how you get from our points of agreement to some of your opinions/comments though. For example:

    I would assume then that regardless of race those who commit violent crimes do so because of nature and nurture, correct?
     
    Agreed.

    Or are of you the notion that black criminals compared to white criminals are driven by their inherent propensity to commit such acts?

     

    Not sure about this wording.

    That is, for the biological side of things, blacks are more prone to criminality because of in born traits than whites?
     
    But if this is a restatement, I agree with this statement (do you? I don't see how it is inconsistent with both). To clarify, I believe that inborn traits including those discussed above are a contributing factor. There are likely environmental factors as well (and I have not seen definitive research for the balance of causes so I assume 50/50 until proven otherwise), but the consistency of the black/white differences in criminality across time, space, and cultures provides compelling evidence for me.

    To be more precise, I would say the quoted "because" above is accurate but insufficient (or incomplete). I would say the same about "blacks are more prone to criminality because of environmental factors than whites." (do you agree with that statement?) And I would say using either statement to rebut the other without acknowledging the relevance of both is at best misleading.

    And this all begs the question of how much of the environmental factors is due to dysfunction partially caused by the genetics of family/others.

    I don't like this any more than you do, but as far as I can tell it is our reality. And the first step in dealing with reality is recognizing it IMHO.


    Not impressive. Depressing.
     
    Something else we agree on. It is depressing. I also find our media's apparent inability to notice and discuss this even more depressing though (see first step in dealing with reality above).
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  200. Corvinus says:
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    There is no helping matters when the burden of afros to the country is so great, aided and abetted by misguided libs & deceitful leftist. Your obfuscations do not change reality.

    Otherwise just waiting for this historical journey to end:
    - - afros demand more & more without end;
    - - libs appease/pander/praise more (ad nauseam);
    - - the rest of us pay more to sustain the unsustainable economic afro burden;
    - - more cities go default; and then states eventually start to go into default;
    - - the federal govt picks up the tab until in cannot;
    - - by then all govt services will have been drastically reduced, to pay for more afro cry baby entitlements;
    - - eventually it will not be able to continue, everything crashes, and hardcore scarcity hits;
    - - afros (who believe that there is such a thing as a free lunch) go wild by looting, arson, and rioting;
    - - after, many afros will starve & freeze to death (being mostly incapable of self care without govt handouts) because there is no more government sugar daddy to rebuild what the afros destroyed;
    - - then after a long period of struggle, the rest of us can start to rebuild;
    - - and hopefully we will learn from the error of our ways (especially that pandering to unreasonable demands does not work with an ungrateful radicalized afro population that chooses to blame whitey for everything, instead of improving their own condition and learning to get along with people).

    We did not ask for this, it was thrusted upon us by the MSM/academia/political elites. But now we must adapt to what is coming, which is that the afro entitlement state is going to eventually exceed its carrying capacity. And without hard agreed upon solutions (we are even unwilling to agree on the problem) then there is nothing to prevent the above from happening. The chicken littles are the ones who refuse to recognize the reality of where we are heading. Pray that I am wrong!

    “There is no helping matters when the burden of afros to the country is so great, aided and abetted by misguided libs & deceitful leftist.”

    You forgot to add those troublesome Jew elites. They are the real source of that misguidance!

    “Otherwise just waiting for this historical journey to end…”

    You should write a book. I hear Castalia House is looking for authors on this impending apocalypse.

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    You should write a book. I hear Castalia House is looking for authors on this impending apocalypse.
     
    I wish it was science fiction; instead its just simple cause and effect, mathematical analysis, and foresight. I prefer not to be right on this, but that doesn't change the facts. And I refuse to live in a fool's paradise, nor do I allow myself to be deceived by clever sophists. Either I am correct, partially correct, or simply wrong. Better hope that I am wrong, because it won't be good.

    Note that in the rest of human history, and to 80 % of the world, prosperity is not the norm, Hardship is. And just because you do not like something bad does not mean it can't happen. There are plenty historical examples of civilizations that went through a decline (mostly self inflicted), we are just another one in the dust bin of history.

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  201. joef says:
    @Corvinus
    "There is no helping matters when the burden of afros to the country is so great, aided and abetted by misguided libs & deceitful leftist."

    You forgot to add those troublesome Jew elites. They are the real source of that misguidance!

    "Otherwise just waiting for this historical journey to end..."

    You should write a book. I hear Castalia House is looking for authors on this impending apocalypse.

    You should write a book. I hear Castalia House is looking for authors on this impending apocalypse.

    I wish it was science fiction; instead its just simple cause and effect, mathematical analysis, and foresight. I prefer not to be right on this, but that doesn’t change the facts. And I refuse to live in a fool’s paradise, nor do I allow myself to be deceived by clever sophists. Either I am correct, partially correct, or simply wrong. Better hope that I am wrong, because it won’t be good.

    Note that in the rest of human history, and to 80 % of the world, prosperity is not the norm, Hardship is. And just because you do not like something bad does not mean it can’t happen. There are plenty historical examples of civilizations that went through a decline (mostly self inflicted), we are just another one in the dust bin of history.

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  202. anon says: • Disclaimer
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    Here's an interesting article on predatory behavior. Note that the specific "kill" impulse is separated from social aggression (at least as far as this particular brain region - not to say that the whole brain response wouldn't mix things).

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/01/170112130133.htm

    Social aggression/submission has been studied here:

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/06/160629135255.htm

    "Our study is the first to demonstrate that bullying behavior activates a primary brain reward circuit that makes it pleasurable to a subset of individuals," says Scott Russo, PhD, Associate Professor of Neuroscience at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai. "Furthermore, we show that manipulating activity in this circuit alters the activity of brain cells and ultimately, aggression behavior."
     

    yes – if you have psycho genes you get a dopamine hit from doing cruel/sadistic things

    if you also have empathy genes then about 3 nano-seconds later you get a baseball bat of anti-dopamine which stops you doing it but you briefly get the pleasure part

    the compromise if you have both is beating up bullies so you get the pleasure without the guilt

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  203. anon says: • Disclaimer
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    So there are a few problems, IMO, with your assessment. First of all, it's not clear that either resources or violence would have been essential in reproductive success among HGs. There are a couple of reasons for this. First of all, some of what we know about human sexuality (penis shape, female vocalization) indicates that early human sexuality was characterized by women having multiple partners, which of course also presumes men having multiple partners, children being raised in common, etc. Violence is only a factor in the individual, immediate contest between men for a single women, but provided there are enough women to go around, everyone gets to reproduce. When critical mass is reached and there's no longer sufficient sex partners, a band breaks off and a new one is formed. However, life expectancy is short enough and infant and maternal mortality high enough that this doesn't happen very often.

    Moreover, violence isn't really necessary to provide food sources for HGs. Most HGs hunt animals that aren't predators and are more likely to run away than fight back. Instead, we "naturally" hunt things that require a group effort to catch. Some research suggests we were essentially evolutionarily selected to hunt deer, which would explain things like why men prefer quiet, why we can run long distances without becoming exhausted, why we throw the way we do, etc. So I'm a bit hard-pressed to think of HG instances in which violence is actually a beneficial trait. Sure, you might be able to rape a woman, but the other men in the band will probably end up killing you or at least pushing you out because of the threat you pose to group cohesion. This is another fundamental misunderstanding about human evolution: yes, we evolutionarily favor "selfish genes," but not to the detriment of the core group.

    Violence is only a factor in the individual, immediate contest between men for a single women, but provided there are enough women to go around, everyone gets to reproduce.

    What if one guy wants more than his share?

    Moreover, violence isn’t really necessary to provide food sources for HGs.

    Violence isn’t necessary for killing?

    So I’m a bit hard-pressed to think of HG instances in which violence is actually a beneficial trait.

    The H in HG.

    Sure, you might be able to rape a woman, but the other men in the band will probably end up killing you or at least pushing you out because of the threat you pose to group cohesion.

    That’s what gangs are for.

    #

    You’re either an idiot or this is deliberate sophistry.

    #

    Anyway the basic point is – if killer genes are an HG legacy disguised by 60s hippie wishful thinking then it would be worth finding out.

    In particular any black researchers as it would shift from “it’s a black thing” to it’s a recent HG thing.”

    And again, given that we share a lot of basic genes with other mammals then i wonder if tigers / deer share genes like MAOA?

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    You’re either an idiot or this is deliberate sophistry.
     
    Well that was nice while it lasted
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  204. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Anon
    Neither the Romans nor ISIS are meaningfully HGs (if the term means, as I think it does, hunter-gatherer). And I wouldn't trust Margaret as far as I could throw her decayed remains.

    Bride capture is fairly common historically, either as part of war or otherwise; it's essentially a form of theft.

    On second thought I think I misread you; I'm sorry for seeming to contradict you if we actually agree.

    Neither the Romans nor ISIS are meaningfully HGs

    That’s not the argument.

    The argument is whether genes for violence ultimately stem from those times and that groups with the longest history of settled farming have the least and populations with the shortest history of settled farming have the most.

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  205. anon says: • Disclaimer
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    To try to be a little more clear about my point:

    A lot of current science (at least that which makes sense to me) shows that there are "modules" in the brain that interact, but some of them, maybe most, are pretty much single function, i.e. the module for sexual arousal causes sexual arousal, full stop. Circumstances and "targets" are mediated by interaction with other modules and by "learning" in the neocortex. The varied experiences and interactions are why we can get so much variation in human sexual behavior. Without arousal there is little sexual behavior in test animals (not "none").

    The same goes for "violence" in its different forms (e.g. hunting v. dominance, etc.). It is therefore not possible to talk about "HG instances in which violence is actually a beneficial trait" as violence, as a trait, is not subject to "instances" only its expression is.

    To the larger point of discussion regarding the expression in HG groups: MAOA is believed to act by oxidizing (consuming) monoamines like serotonin and dopamine (the "reward" chemicals in the brain). They (mostly dopamine) are very primitive and "reward" social animals (and others) for different behaviors essential to life including the four "Fs", feeding, fighting, fleeing, and reproducing.

    The theory on the more active MAO-As is that they have evolved to inhibit impulses, including to violence, by more strongly consuming the monoamine that provides the reward for violence when the other parts of the brain send inhibitory signals. It is not that HG groups evolved a less active (more inhibitory) version than "civilized" groups, but vice-versa. The more active version has been selected (maybe evolved) because of the greater need for inhibiting violence in more crowded groups. There is evidence that it inhibits more impulses than just that for violence. Violence is itself a complex behavior, not one thing.

    The science is new, but it is quite likely, by theory, that our primitive ancestors had much less active versions still, and were much more likely to act on impulse. MAO-A is not the whole story, other things, like tachykinins (substance "P") seem to be also involved. Tachykinin means "fast action", like "fast twitch" muscles, but we won't go there.

    The theory on the more active MAO-As is that they have evolved to inhibit impulses, including to violence, by more strongly consuming the monoamine that provides the reward for violence when the other parts of the brain send inhibitory signals.

    sounds a bit like my experience

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  206. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Black and White American soldiers are dying in the Middle East for Israel.

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    would it be harder to stir up black-white conflict if the black homicide rate was the same as the white homicide rate?
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  207. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Anon
    Black and White American soldiers are dying in the Middle East for Israel.

    would it be harder to stir up black-white conflict if the black homicide rate was the same as the white homicide rate?

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  208. Gene Su says:
    @KenH

    KenH, yours is one of the more disgusting comments I have read.
     
    That's because you're an anti-white bigot who's incapable of objectivity or of seeing things from the white point of view. You're also are in dire need of a history lesson since blacks were slaves in Africa, there were black slave owners in America (some treated their black slaves brutally), and some whites were consigned to indentured servitude.

    then blacks are within their rights to attack whites because “whitey was oppressing them” (maybe a few decades ago).
     
    Blacks no longer have reasons for attacking whites other than to punish them for their own failures in life and/or an atavistic, irrational hatred.

    Since 1965 this nation has spent trillions of dollars, upended the Constitution and persecuted and mocked whites all for the sake of helping blacks and atoning for past wrongs, both real and imaginary. And for that blacks hate us even more and have waged a one sided race war against whites judging by the interracial violent crime statistics. Many black leaders and commentators either applaud, excuse, ignore or gloss over this reality, so do you find this as "disgusting" as you find my comments? White commentators and leaders don't want to dare be seen siding with their own people since that's "racism" and "white supremacy".

    No such effort has been made to redress the legitimate grievances of whites since 1965 or address the disparity in interracial crime and permit whites to take appropriate action to protect their schools and communities. Dylan Roof was acutely aware of the race war being waged on his people and the deliberate refusal of the establishment to acknowledge it and institute corrective action and he snapped.

    Enlighten me on your solution to the race problem.

    That’s because you’re an anti-white bigot who’s incapable of objectivity or of seeing things from the white point of view.

    Sinking to ad hominem name-calling, are we? I was mugged twice by “Knee-Grows” in New York. I know to avoid them and not to send my children to a public school full of blacks. That doesn’t give anyone the right to excuse Dylann Roof, though.

    You’re also are in dire need of a history lesson since blacks were slaves in Africa, there were black slave owners in America (some treated their black slaves brutally), and some whites were consigned to indentured servitude.

    I’m fully aware that Roots is a fraud. I know that the choice for blacks was NOT between slavery in America and freedom in Africa. I know that the options were slavery in Africa, slavery in the Islamic Middle East, and slavery in America. I also know that the latter was the most humane of choices for them, despite what black academics say.

    Dylan Roof was acutely aware of the race war being waged on his people and the deliberate refusal of the establishment to acknowledge it and institute corrective action and he snapped.

    You want a race war? Fine then. Why don’t you get gangs of wannabe Klansmen to come with assault weapons to Newark, Detroit, Philadelphia, and every black urban area in America, preferably all in the same week? I’d love to see whether America’s infrastructure can be taken apart by a black rebellion.

    Enlighten me on your solution to the race problem.

    1. Anyone who is a murderer must be executed, according to most traditional code of laws. Execute Dylann Roof on television with a firing squad. Then execute the perpetrators of the Knoxville Horror along with some wannabe gangstas. Get the ever-so photogenic Donald Trump to write up an executive order to do this. Have Jeff Sessions sign the death warrants.

    2. With non-lethal attacks like the one in Chicago the problem becomes sadly more subjective. Children, especially adolescent boys, like to get into fisticuffs. What jail sentence does a black eye warrant? Bloody nose? Broken teeth? Broken ribs? If every fist fight became a legal matter, it will clog the courts!
    But most fistfights occur in school or places like school (summer camps and day care). Young boys don’t like going to school. We can lower the number of fist fights by making school non-compulsory as well as loosening child care laws so that parents can leave children unsupervised.

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    Sinking to ad hominem name-calling, are we? I was mugged twice by “Knee-Grows” in New York. I know to avoid them and not to send my children to a public school full of blacks. That doesn’t give anyone the right to excuse Dylann Roof, though.
     
    Agreed, if we excuse Dylann Roof's actions then we are just as bad as the radical afros that are criticized in these comments. Even if Dylann Roof was acting out of frustration from what he perceived as an impending race war does not allow for indiscriminate killing of Blacks, in a church no less, who had nothing to do with anything against him. Collective guilt by group identification, instead of individual actions, is very dangerous territory. He did not choose to shoot any afro revolutionary thugs, but instead randomly chose a place that he was least likely to find one. He made the mistake in thinking that all Blacks are monolithically in agreement with the radical afro american anti white agenda.

    I do not understand the point of it, and it certainly diminished the ability to communicate any valid criticisms of radical afro american behavior. In my opinion hostile afros are one of the biggest problems in contemporary America today in terms of economic burden, social chaos, and violence. However, that does not mean every Black person is responsible for it, nor should we randomly punish them for it. However lets be aware that radical afros do want to punish every white person, while at the same time accepting our handouts, in the same way Roof did. Roof is guilty, but that does not eliminate the guilt of all the unpublicized hostile acts that afros commit against the rest of society.

    This whole thing is just one convoluted mess, that will probably never be resolved (thanks to our liberal/leftist enablers), until it eventually runs out of resources to continue. Hopefully these lessons (re: the social destruction from balkanization, and the economic burden of creating a hostile unproductive class of people) will not be wasted on future generations. Mankind always seems to have to make mistakes before he learns his lessons. And it seems that these lessons are going to be learned through a lot of pain & suffering.

    , @KenH

    Sinking to ad hominem name-calling, are we?
     
    No, but your seemingly visceral reaction and claims of disgust is typical of what one gets from anti-racist (anti-white) types. Before you go off the deep end I will call your attention to black Omar Thornton who brutally assassinated eight of his white coworkers because he deemed them racist.

    In reality, he was stealing from the company and was on the verge of getting fired, so they be "dissing" the brutha, of course. The media and Thorton's black wife essentially blamed the innocent white victims and predictably this act was not condemned by the NAACP, anti-racist watchdogs like SPCL or politicians of any stripe, or in a few cases where it was it was not characterized as black racism.

    And you expect me and other whites to take the high road when one of ours strikes out against blacks in a similar manner? I don't think so and until blacks police themselves and take steps to curb black on white violence I will continue to rationalize and excuse racially motivated white on black murders. This is only common sense and self defense.


    I’m fully aware that Roots is a fraud.
     
    Great. Now we're making progress.

    You want a race war? Fine then.
     
    I didn't say that and your putting words in my mouth. But Dylan Roof would probably be more fondly remembered if he took his frustrations out on black gang bangers or members of the new black panther party.

    Then execute the perpetrators of the Knoxville Horror along with some wannabe gangstas.
     
    And the Wichita massacre, and the Connecticut massacre (Omar Thornton), and 8yr old Kevin Shiflet getting his throat slashed by a black supremacist and the little white boy in Houston who was kidnapped and blowtorched to death by a black female and the 15-40K black on white rapes annually and on and on and on.

    2. With non-lethal attacks like the one in Chicago the problem becomes sadly more subjective. Children, especially adolescent boys, like to get into fisticuffs.
     
    Ok, but I'm not sure what this has to do with anything.
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  209. Anon says: • Disclaimer
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    Violence is only a factor in the individual, immediate contest between men for a single women, but provided there are enough women to go around, everyone gets to reproduce.
     
    What if one guy wants more than his share?

    Moreover, violence isn’t really necessary to provide food sources for HGs.
     
    Violence isn't necessary for killing?

    So I’m a bit hard-pressed to think of HG instances in which violence is actually a beneficial trait.
     
    The H in HG.

    Sure, you might be able to rape a woman, but the other men in the band will probably end up killing you or at least pushing you out because of the threat you pose to group cohesion.
     
    That's what gangs are for.

    #

    You're either an idiot or this is deliberate sophistry.

    #

    Anyway the basic point is - if killer genes are an HG legacy disguised by 60s hippie wishful thinking then it would be worth finding out.

    In particular any black researchers as it would shift from "it's a black thing" to it's a recent HG thing."

    And again, given that we share a lot of basic genes with other mammals then i wonder if tigers / deer share genes like MAOA?

    You’re either an idiot or this is deliberate sophistry.

    Well that was nice while it lasted

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  210. res says:
    @Corvinus
    "2. of course."

    Genetics and environment each play a role in a person's actions. We agree on something.
    I would assume then that regardless of race those who commit violent crimes do so because of nature and nurture, correct? Or are of you the notion that black criminals compared to white criminals are driven by their inherent propensity to commit such acts? That is, for the biological side of things, blacks are more prone to criminality because of in born traits than whites?

    "Also worth mentioning that there is a difference between primarily and exclusively in your 1 and 3."

    So now there are people who believe in exclusively in genetics, primarily in genetics, genetics and environment, primarily in genetics, and exclusively in genetics. Fine, there are five gradients in this argument. I used primarily in the context of first and foremost.

    "Pretty impressive that the black 13% of the US population manages to commit more murders than the white 63%."

    Not impressive. Depressing.

    We agree on a fair bit it seems (as we discover whenever we drill down into details). I have trouble seeing how you get from our points of agreement to some of your opinions/comments though. For example:

    I would assume then that regardless of race those who commit violent crimes do so because of nature and nurture, correct?

    Agreed.

    Or are of you the notion that black criminals compared to white criminals are driven by their inherent propensity to commit such acts?

    Not sure about this wording.

    That is, for the biological side of things, blacks are more prone to criminality because of in born traits than whites?

    But if this is a restatement, I agree with this statement (do you? I don’t see how it is inconsistent with both). To clarify, I believe that inborn traits including those discussed above are a contributing factor. There are likely environmental factors as well (and I have not seen definitive research for the balance of causes so I assume 50/50 until proven otherwise), but the consistency of the black/white differences in criminality across time, space, and cultures provides compelling evidence for me.

    To be more precise, I would say the quoted “because” above is accurate but insufficient (or incomplete). I would say the same about “blacks are more prone to criminality because of environmental factors than whites.” (do you agree with that statement?) And I would say using either statement to rebut the other without acknowledging the relevance of both is at best misleading.

    And this all begs the question of how much of the environmental factors is due to dysfunction partially caused by the genetics of family/others.

    I don’t like this any more than you do, but as far as I can tell it is our reality. And the first step in dealing with reality is recognizing it IMHO.

    Not impressive. Depressing.

    Something else we agree on. It is depressing. I also find our media’s apparent inability to notice and discuss this even more depressing though (see first step in dealing with reality above).

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  211. joef says:
    @Gene Su

    That’s because you’re an anti-white bigot who’s incapable of objectivity or of seeing things from the white point of view.
     
    Sinking to ad hominem name-calling, are we? I was mugged twice by "Knee-Grows" in New York. I know to avoid them and not to send my children to a public school full of blacks. That doesn't give anyone the right to excuse Dylann Roof, though.

    You’re also are in dire need of a history lesson since blacks were slaves in Africa, there were black slave owners in America (some treated their black slaves brutally), and some whites were consigned to indentured servitude.
     
    I'm fully aware that Roots is a fraud. I know that the choice for blacks was NOT between slavery in America and freedom in Africa. I know that the options were slavery in Africa, slavery in the Islamic Middle East, and slavery in America. I also know that the latter was the most humane of choices for them, despite what black academics say.

    Dylan Roof was acutely aware of the race war being waged on his people and the deliberate refusal of the establishment to acknowledge it and institute corrective action and he snapped.
     
    You want a race war? Fine then. Why don't you get gangs of wannabe Klansmen to come with assault weapons to Newark, Detroit, Philadelphia, and every black urban area in America, preferably all in the same week? I'd love to see whether America's infrastructure can be taken apart by a black rebellion.

    Enlighten me on your solution to the race problem.
     
    1. Anyone who is a murderer must be executed, according to most traditional code of laws. Execute Dylann Roof on television with a firing squad. Then execute the perpetrators of the Knoxville Horror along with some wannabe gangstas. Get the ever-so photogenic Donald Trump to write up an executive order to do this. Have Jeff Sessions sign the death warrants.

    2. With non-lethal attacks like the one in Chicago the problem becomes sadly more subjective. Children, especially adolescent boys, like to get into fisticuffs. What jail sentence does a black eye warrant? Bloody nose? Broken teeth? Broken ribs? If every fist fight became a legal matter, it will clog the courts!
    But most fistfights occur in school or places like school (summer camps and day care). Young boys don't like going to school. We can lower the number of fist fights by making school non-compulsory as well as loosening child care laws so that parents can leave children unsupervised.

    Sinking to ad hominem name-calling, are we? I was mugged twice by “Knee-Grows” in New York. I know to avoid them and not to send my children to a public school full of blacks. That doesn’t give anyone the right to excuse Dylann Roof, though.

    Agreed, if we excuse Dylann Roof’s actions then we are just as bad as the radical afros that are criticized in these comments. Even if Dylann Roof was acting out of frustration from what he perceived as an impending race war does not allow for indiscriminate killing of Blacks, in a church no less, who had nothing to do with anything against him. Collective guilt by group identification, instead of individual actions, is very dangerous territory. He did not choose to shoot any afro revolutionary thugs, but instead randomly chose a place that he was least likely to find one. He made the mistake in thinking that all Blacks are monolithically in agreement with the radical afro american anti white agenda.

    I do not understand the point of it, and it certainly diminished the ability to communicate any valid criticisms of radical afro american behavior. In my opinion hostile afros are one of the biggest problems in contemporary America today in terms of economic burden, social chaos, and violence. However, that does not mean every Black person is responsible for it, nor should we randomly punish them for it. However lets be aware that radical afros do want to punish every white person, while at the same time accepting our handouts, in the same way Roof did. Roof is guilty, but that does not eliminate the guilt of all the unpublicized hostile acts that afros commit against the rest of society.

    This whole thing is just one convoluted mess, that will probably never be resolved (thanks to our liberal/leftist enablers), until it eventually runs out of resources to continue. Hopefully these lessons (re: the social destruction from balkanization, and the economic burden of creating a hostile unproductive class of people) will not be wasted on future generations. Mankind always seems to have to make mistakes before he learns his lessons. And it seems that these lessons are going to be learned through a lot of pain & suffering.

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  212. @Authenticjazzman
    Great observation.

    The loss by the black community of their own marvelous music : Jazz was a profound stepping stone towards the criminalization of their mislead youth, mislead by the "rap" idiots and thug glorifiers.

    I cannot imagine a black kid leaving the house with the idea of mugging someone, after listening to Count Basie or John Coltrane, or Miles Davis.

    One the top (black) jazz stars stated a few years ago that it was heartbreaking for him to look out at an audience and see only white faces.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member since 1973, and pro jazz artist.

    Sorry to burst your bubble but…

    Miles Davis:
    “If somebody told me I had only one hour to live, I’d spend it choking a white man. I’d do it nice and slow.”
    — (https://www.aim.org/wls/i-want-to-choke-a-white-man/ ]

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  213. ” Sorry to burst your bubble” :
    Which bubble? Just how does this burst my bubble?

    Miles was famous for saying a lot of off the wall crap, and he employed myriads of white musicians in his various bands.
    And by the way I played with a drummer who had played with Miles.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.

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    @Authenticjazzman:

    You don't deny Miles Davis said:

    “If somebody told me I had only one hour to live, I’d spend it choking a white man. I’d do it nice and slow.”

    You say that's OK because "Miles was famous for saying a lot of off the wall crap."

    It doesn't seem to bother you that while famous Blacks joke about torturing Whites to death, we live in a real world where Blacks are really doing that.

    We understand. You're a musician. Your "cred" depends on you being a hip white boy.
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  215. KenH says:
    @Gene Su

    That’s because you’re an anti-white bigot who’s incapable of objectivity or of seeing things from the white point of view.
     
    Sinking to ad hominem name-calling, are we? I was mugged twice by "Knee-Grows" in New York. I know to avoid them and not to send my children to a public school full of blacks. That doesn't give anyone the right to excuse Dylann Roof, though.

    You’re also are in dire need of a history lesson since blacks were slaves in Africa, there were black slave owners in America (some treated their black slaves brutally), and some whites were consigned to indentured servitude.
     
    I'm fully aware that Roots is a fraud. I know that the choice for blacks was NOT between slavery in America and freedom in Africa. I know that the options were slavery in Africa, slavery in the Islamic Middle East, and slavery in America. I also know that the latter was the most humane of choices for them, despite what black academics say.

    Dylan Roof was acutely aware of the race war being waged on his people and the deliberate refusal of the establishment to acknowledge it and institute corrective action and he snapped.
     
    You want a race war? Fine then. Why don't you get gangs of wannabe Klansmen to come with assault weapons to Newark, Detroit, Philadelphia, and every black urban area in America, preferably all in the same week? I'd love to see whether America's infrastructure can be taken apart by a black rebellion.

    Enlighten me on your solution to the race problem.
     
    1. Anyone who is a murderer must be executed, according to most traditional code of laws. Execute Dylann Roof on television with a firing squad. Then execute the perpetrators of the Knoxville Horror along with some wannabe gangstas. Get the ever-so photogenic Donald Trump to write up an executive order to do this. Have Jeff Sessions sign the death warrants.

    2. With non-lethal attacks like the one in Chicago the problem becomes sadly more subjective. Children, especially adolescent boys, like to get into fisticuffs. What jail sentence does a black eye warrant? Bloody nose? Broken teeth? Broken ribs? If every fist fight became a legal matter, it will clog the courts!
    But most fistfights occur in school or places like school (summer camps and day care). Young boys don't like going to school. We can lower the number of fist fights by making school non-compulsory as well as loosening child care laws so that parents can leave children unsupervised.

    Sinking to ad hominem name-calling, are we?

    No, but your seemingly visceral reaction and claims of disgust is typical of what one gets from anti-racist (anti-white) types. Before you go off the deep end I will call your attention to black Omar Thornton who brutally assassinated eight of his white coworkers because he deemed them racist.

    In reality, he was stealing from the company and was on the verge of getting fired, so they be “dissing” the brutha, of course. The media and Thorton’s black wife essentially blamed the innocent white victims and predictably this act was not condemned by the NAACP, anti-racist watchdogs like SPCL or politicians of any stripe, or in a few cases where it was it was not characterized as black racism.

    And you expect me and other whites to take the high road when one of ours strikes out against blacks in a similar manner? I don’t think so and until blacks police themselves and take steps to curb black on white violence I will continue to rationalize and excuse racially motivated white on black murders. This is only common sense and self defense.

    I’m fully aware that Roots is a fraud.

    Great. Now we’re making progress.

    You want a race war? Fine then.

    I didn’t say that and your putting words in my mouth. But Dylan Roof would probably be more fondly remembered if he took his frustrations out on black gang bangers or members of the new black panther party.

    Then execute the perpetrators of the Knoxville Horror along with some wannabe gangstas.

    And the Wichita massacre, and the Connecticut massacre (Omar Thornton), and 8yr old Kevin Shiflet getting his throat slashed by a black supremacist and the little white boy in Houston who was kidnapped and blowtorched to death by a black female and the 15-40K black on white rapes annually and on and on and on.

    2. With non-lethal attacks like the one in Chicago the problem becomes sadly more subjective. Children, especially adolescent boys, like to get into fisticuffs.

    Ok, but I’m not sure what this has to do with anything.

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  216. @Authenticjazzman
    " Sorry to burst your bubble" :
    Which bubble? Just how does this burst my bubble?

    Miles was famous for saying a lot of off the wall crap, and he employed myriads of white musicians in his various bands.
    And by the way I played with a drummer who had played with Miles.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.

    You don’t deny Miles Davis said:

    “If somebody told me I had only one hour to live, I’d spend it choking a white man. I’d do it nice and slow.”

    You say that’s OK because “Miles was famous for saying a lot of off the wall crap.”

    It doesn’t seem to bother you that while famous Blacks joke about torturing Whites to death, we live in a real world where Blacks are really doing that.

    We understand. You’re a musician. Your “cred” depends on you being a hip white boy.

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    Miles Davis ALLEGEDLY said this in 1960. That is 55 years ago. If we judged all of your heroes by what they said in 1960 or 1860, no one would pass muster.
    , @Authenticjazzman
    " Your "cred" depends on you being a hip white boy"

    This is total BS, as I am a seventy six year old musician, not a "Boy" and artist if you will, and I simply do not give a shit about being "hip", never have as I knew that I was born "hip", therefore I did not have to strive to attain or maintain this state, And by the way : I voted for DT, so you are attacking the wrong guy.

    Authenticjazzman, "Mensa" society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.

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  217. joef says:

    I didn’t say that and your putting words in my mouth. But Dylan Roof would probably be more fondly remembered if he took his frustrations out on black gang bangers or members of the new black panther party.

    That is a problem when we point out hostile antagonistic afro behavior, and refuse to become a victim to it, we are accused of wanting a race war. I think the people who accuse others of ‘wanting a race war’ do not follow the logical progression: afros act in a violent manner, we react to their actions; that is, we are not initiating the violence, they are. We are simply reacting to their proactive violence. If they were not acting in such a way, we would all just go about our own lives.

    Thus its is the afro community who are instigating the race war themselves, we are just forced to react to it (and libs react to it by pandering more). The MSM may ignore all the victims of afro violence because it conflicts with their fantasy narrative, but that does not mean that the rest of us forget our negative daily experiences of dealing with the urban afro, nor forget the victims of urban afro violence we personally know.

    If the afros stopped the white hatred and violence, then we would have nothing to complain about. The only reason we have something to talk about here is afro bad behavior. Act X leads to response Y, and only myopic libs cannot understand that.

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    "afros act in a violent manner, we react to their actions; that is, we are not initiating the violence, they are."

    Corrected for accuracy --> People from different races, due to a host of factors, one of which may be genetic, act in a violent manner, by which society reacts to that conduct. There are millions of daily interactions between whites and blacks, with a fraction of these meetings resulting in verbal confrontation or physical violence.
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  218. Truth says:
    @Pat Kittle
    @Authenticjazzman:

    You don't deny Miles Davis said:

    “If somebody told me I had only one hour to live, I’d spend it choking a white man. I’d do it nice and slow.”

    You say that's OK because "Miles was famous for saying a lot of off the wall crap."

    It doesn't seem to bother you that while famous Blacks joke about torturing Whites to death, we live in a real world where Blacks are really doing that.

    We understand. You're a musician. Your "cred" depends on you being a hip white boy.

    Miles Davis ALLEGEDLY said this in 1960. That is 55 years ago. If we judged all of your heroes by what they said in 1960 or 1860, no one would pass muster.

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    " Miles Davis allegedly said this in 1960"

    In 1959 he put together the biggest selling jazz recording of all time : "Kind of blue" which reportedly is still moving 25000 times per month across the counter, to this day.
    He made millions from this recording, which is by the way, a great work of art.
    The piano man was the legendary Bill Evans (white) , and I am quite sure that Miles had no desire to "Choke" him.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.

    , @Pat Kittle
    @Authenticjazzman:

    Your constant need to assert your credentials ("Mensa," "Authentic," "artist," betrays your assertion that you aren't concerned about your "cred."

    You of course know Blacks commonly refer to White men as "White boy." It's obviously a racist slur which most Whites tolerate through guilt, intimidation, or whatever.

    You know this, don't play dumb. Has a Black ever called you "White boy"? Have you ever heard a Black use that anti-White racist slur? Of course you have. What is your response? Nothing, of course. You get huffy when I call you "White boy" but I'm merely pointing out the hypocrisy of anti-White racism.
    , @Pat Kittle
    Miles Davis "joked" about torturing a White man to death slowly.

    Hilarious! How could anyone be offended? Especially since he said it "55 years ago"!

    Today happens to be Martin Luther King Day, and as always we'll be hearing PLENTY about what happened 55 years ago.

    Anti-White racism is today's reality, and you are doing your share. Congratulations!
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  219. @Pat Kittle
    @Authenticjazzman:

    You don't deny Miles Davis said:

    “If somebody told me I had only one hour to live, I’d spend it choking a white man. I’d do it nice and slow.”

    You say that's OK because "Miles was famous for saying a lot of off the wall crap."

    It doesn't seem to bother you that while famous Blacks joke about torturing Whites to death, we live in a real world where Blacks are really doing that.

    We understand. You're a musician. Your "cred" depends on you being a hip white boy.

    ” Your “cred” depends on you being a hip white boy”

    This is total BS, as I am a seventy six year old musician, not a “Boy” and artist if you will, and I simply do not give a shit about being “hip”, never have as I knew that I was born “hip”, therefore I did not have to strive to attain or maintain this state, And by the way : I voted for DT, so you are attacking the wrong guy.

    Authenticjazzman, “Mensa” society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.

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  220. Corvinus says:

    “I’m fully aware that Roots is a fraud. I know that the choice for blacks was NOT between slavery in America and freedom in Africa. I know that the options were slavery in Africa, slavery in the Islamic Middle East, and slavery in America. I also know that the latter was the most humane of choices for them, despite what black academics say.”

    The story about black slavery in the United States is highly accurate. White European slaves made the choice for Africans–come to the New World in our ships or be murdered. The options were freedom or slavery for Africans. There is nothing humane about slavery, past or current. Are you that ignorant about this topic?

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  221. Corvinus says:
    @joef

    I didn’t say that and your putting words in my mouth. But Dylan Roof would probably be more fondly remembered if he took his frustrations out on black gang bangers or members of the new black panther party.
     
    That is a problem when we point out hostile antagonistic afro behavior, and refuse to become a victim to it, we are accused of wanting a race war. I think the people who accuse others of 'wanting a race war' do not follow the logical progression: afros act in a violent manner, we react to their actions; that is, we are not initiating the violence, they are. We are simply reacting to their proactive violence. If they were not acting in such a way, we would all just go about our own lives.

    Thus its is the afro community who are instigating the race war themselves, we are just forced to react to it (and libs react to it by pandering more). The MSM may ignore all the victims of afro violence because it conflicts with their fantasy narrative, but that does not mean that the rest of us forget our negative daily experiences of dealing with the urban afro, nor forget the victims of urban afro violence we personally know.

    If the afros stopped the white hatred and violence, then we would have nothing to complain about. The only reason we have something to talk about here is afro bad behavior. Act X leads to response Y, and only myopic libs cannot understand that.

    “afros act in a violent manner, we react to their actions; that is, we are not initiating the violence, they are.”

    Corrected for accuracy –> People from different races, due to a host of factors, one of which may be genetic, act in a violent manner, by which society reacts to that conduct. There are millions of daily interactions between whites and blacks, with a fraction of these meetings resulting in verbal confrontation or physical violence.

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    There are millions of daily interactions between whites and blacks, with a fraction of these meetings resulting in verbal confrontation or physical violence.
     
    That is true, however there are thousands of acts from afros that are initiated out of predatory ambitions or racial hatreds. And it vastly outnumbers these types of occurrences initiated by other groups. Thus, we have a problem in this nation with afro aggression towards their fellow human beings. The percentage of bad afro acts is apparent enough to gain recognition even as the MSM/academia desperately try to downplay it, and facilitate the false narrative that it is all caused by whitey. That MSM mantra is losing credibility as there is an accumulation of more & more victims of afro aggression.

    The solution is that afros should realize that its better to get along with the rest of society (that are also struggling with their own lives) before they eventually bankrupt the system. Once the system is bankrupted then it will be too late for all of us. Unfortunately even if afros chose to leave their dysfunctions behind and become productive Black people, the conniving leftist will still try to fan the flames of racial animosity in order to promote their failed version of social change.

    Hardship is the norm of human history: world wars, great depressions, famines, plagues, and fall of Rome, etc; yet we think we are immune. Cooperation works better than hostility, but I do not believe the afros truly understand that idea.

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  222. @Truth
    Miles Davis ALLEGEDLY said this in 1960. That is 55 years ago. If we judged all of your heroes by what they said in 1960 or 1860, no one would pass muster.

    ” Miles Davis allegedly said this in 1960″

    In 1959 he put together the biggest selling jazz recording of all time : “Kind of blue” which reportedly is still moving 25000 times per month across the counter, to this day.
    He made millions from this recording, which is by the way, a great work of art.
    The piano man was the legendary Bill Evans (white) , and I am quite sure that Miles had no desire to “Choke” him.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.

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  223. joef says:
    @Corvinus
    "afros act in a violent manner, we react to their actions; that is, we are not initiating the violence, they are."

    Corrected for accuracy --> People from different races, due to a host of factors, one of which may be genetic, act in a violent manner, by which society reacts to that conduct. There are millions of daily interactions between whites and blacks, with a fraction of these meetings resulting in verbal confrontation or physical violence.

    There are millions of daily interactions between whites and blacks, with a fraction of these meetings resulting in verbal confrontation or physical violence.

    That is true, however there are thousands of acts from afros that are initiated out of predatory ambitions or racial hatreds. And it vastly outnumbers these types of occurrences initiated by other groups. Thus, we have a problem in this nation with afro aggression towards their fellow human beings. The percentage of bad afro acts is apparent enough to gain recognition even as the MSM/academia desperately try to downplay it, and facilitate the false narrative that it is all caused by whitey. That MSM mantra is losing credibility as there is an accumulation of more & more victims of afro aggression.

    The solution is that afros should realize that its better to get along with the rest of society (that are also struggling with their own lives) before they eventually bankrupt the system. Once the system is bankrupted then it will be too late for all of us. Unfortunately even if afros chose to leave their dysfunctions behind and become productive Black people, the conniving leftist will still try to fan the flames of racial animosity in order to promote their failed version of social change.

    Hardship is the norm of human history: world wars, great depressions, famines, plagues, and fall of Rome, etc; yet we think we are immune. Cooperation works better than hostility, but I do not believe the afros truly understand that idea.

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  224. Svigor says:

    Since the edit window is still 2 minutes too short:

    Corvanus: liar who laughably claims to be a moderate opposed to both the left and right extremes, while only criticizing rightists and never leftists (he has admitted that he doesn’t balance out his criticism of rightists here, with criticism of leftists elsewhere). Oh, and who criticizes Christians frequently, but never Muslims or Jews; on the contrary, he defends Muslims and punts when you ask him about Israel. All of which adds up to someone who bears considerable animus towards White Christian conservatives.

    Peppered throughout his comments are such logical gems as “when you assert something, you must prove it with citations and studies, but they will never, ever be enough for me to acknowledge said ‘proven’ status,” and “when I assert something, it’s true until you prove it false, but your proof will never, ever be enough for me to acknowledge said ‘disproven’ status.” He’s never this honest, I am providing the Reader’s Digest version.

    Because I neglected initially to agree, since I was not asked the question in the first place, that correlations that spark interest ought to be investigated, you spun it to make it appear that I was “willfully misunderstanding” anon. That is classic SJW logic on your part. You are closer to their line of thinking more than you know.

    It’s odd how the only time Corvanus calls out “SJW logic” or leftist behavior, is when he’s referring to right-wingers’ behavior. Since he only criticizes rightists, and never leftists, the only logical conclusion is that Corvanus doesn’t want rightists using leftist tactics or behavior. He’s perfectly fine with the same behaviors, when leftists do it.

    Not weak at all. Big pharma is not about to spend oodles of cash on an “strong association” until a cost analysis is conducted, which includes to what extent is it beneficial to their bottom line and to overall progress in this particular area of research.

    Until Corvanus documents the proof for this opinion, that’s all it is: mere opinion on Corvanus’ part.

    Corvanus asks: “Are you that dense?”

    Oh, the irony.

    The narrative I am referring to the one that is popularized here–blacks compared to whites are genetically hardwired for violence, and that environmental factors play little role.

    False. This is merely Corvanus’ opinion, one he cannot prove. Which is why he has provided no cites, no evidence, no studies, no proof.

    And based on sheer numbers, more whites than blacks are genetically inclined to commit murder and rape, if one is taking a nature approach to violence.

    Corvanus is math-challenged, as well. Has difficulties with simple arithmetic, doesn’t understand what “rate” means, etc.

    Still doesn’t change the fact that more whites in sheer numbers commit more violent crimes. So, in this case, is it because primarily due to genetics, a combination of genetics and environment, or primarily due to environment? Please do tell…

    I addressed this above, but Corvanus is too stupid to notice.

    Corvanus asks someone:

    [Sigh] Ok, Chicken Little. What are YOU doing about this situation? How are you going to help matters?

    Here’s how Corvanus approaches his asserted goal of balancing out the political extremes in America:

    Only criticizing rightists and never leftists (he has admitted that he doesn’t balance out his criticism of rightists here, with criticism of leftists elsewhere). Oh, and who criticizes Christians frequently, but never Muslims or Jews; on the contrary, he defends Muslims and punts when you ask him about Israel. All of which adds up to someone who bears considerable animus towards White Christian conservatives.

    Let’s just say, Corvanus has established zero credibility in the realms of problem-solving, or in knowing problem-solving when he sees it.

    Simple. Refrain from buying the memes of the Coalition of the Fringes Left and Right regarding “white privilege” or “race realism” or “SJW’s Always Lie” or “Trump Voters Are Racist”. Read liberal and conservative publications and try to sift through their Fake News.

    This is more of Corvanus’ phoniness. All of his criticism is reserved for the right, never the left. And for Christians, never Jews or Muslims. It’s laughably phony; he’s an anti-White, anti-Christian, leftist bigot.

    “There is no helping matters when the burden of afros to the country is so great, aided and abetted by misguided libs & deceitful leftist.”

    You forgot to add those troublesome Jew elites. They are the real source of that misguidance!

    See? Pro-Jewish sarcasm, but never pro-Christian. Criticism of Christians, but never of Muslims or Jews. Pro-Jewish, pro-Muslim, anti-Christian, anti-White, leftist bigot. Which is all the long form of “leftist.”

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    Is there any point in preaching to the choir?
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  225. Svigor says:

    “I’m fully aware that Roots is a fraud. I know that the choice for blacks was NOT between slavery in America and freedom in Africa. I know that the options were slavery in Africa, slavery in the Islamic Middle East, and slavery in America. I also know that the latter was the most humane of choices for them, despite what black academics say.”

    The story about black slavery in the United States is highly accurate. White European slaves made the choice for Africans–come to the New World in our ships or be murdered. The options were freedom or slavery for Africans. There is nothing humane about slavery, past or current. Are you that ignorant about this topic?

    Actually, there is something quite humane about slavery: it was often the only alternative to death, after being captured in war. That was usually the choice available, because in pre-modern times there was no other practical way to handle POWs. The fact that so very many people over the years willingly chose slavery over death (suicide was always a way out) implies that it was the more humane outcome.

    Leftists are full of shit, it’s their one consistency. They don’t condemn Black-on-Black slavery, despite it predating and outliving white-on-black slavery. Far more Black slaves have been owned by Blacks, than by other races. Part of leftists’ excuse for looking the other way on Black-on-Black slavery is precisely because they claim that it was a humane form of slavery. They don’t condemn Arab-on-Black slavery, despite it being larger in scope and timeframe than White-on-Black slavery. They don’t condemn Jewish-on-Black slavery, or Jews’ epic role in the White-on-Black slave trade.

    Note how Corvanus’ response conforms closely to the leftist pattern; ignore slavery in Africa, ignore slavery in Muslim world, focus exclusively on YT’s deeds. Because he’s a leftist, anti-White, anti-Christian bigot.

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  226. Truth says:
    @Svigor
    Since the edit window is still 2 minutes too short:

    Corvanus: liar who laughably claims to be a moderate opposed to both the left and right extremes, while only criticizing rightists and never leftists (he has admitted that he doesn't balance out his criticism of rightists here, with criticism of leftists elsewhere). Oh, and who criticizes Christians frequently, but never Muslims or Jews; on the contrary, he defends Muslims and punts when you ask him about Israel. All of which adds up to someone who bears considerable animus towards White Christian conservatives.

    Peppered throughout his comments are such logical gems as "when you assert something, you must prove it with citations and studies, but they will never, ever be enough for me to acknowledge said 'proven' status," and "when I assert something, it's true until you prove it false, but your proof will never, ever be enough for me to acknowledge said 'disproven' status." He's never this honest, I am providing the Reader's Digest version.

    Because I neglected initially to agree, since I was not asked the question in the first place, that correlations that spark interest ought to be investigated, you spun it to make it appear that I was “willfully misunderstanding” anon. That is classic SJW logic on your part. You are closer to their line of thinking more than you know.
     
    It's odd how the only time Corvanus calls out "SJW logic" or leftist behavior, is when he's referring to right-wingers' behavior. Since he only criticizes rightists, and never leftists, the only logical conclusion is that Corvanus doesn't want rightists using leftist tactics or behavior. He's perfectly fine with the same behaviors, when leftists do it.

    Not weak at all. Big pharma is not about to spend oodles of cash on an “strong association” until a cost analysis is conducted, which includes to what extent is it beneficial to their bottom line and to overall progress in this particular area of research.
     
    Until Corvanus documents the proof for this opinion, that's all it is: mere opinion on Corvanus' part.

    Corvanus asks: "Are you that dense?"

    Oh, the irony.

    The narrative I am referring to the one that is popularized here–blacks compared to whites are genetically hardwired for violence, and that environmental factors play little role.
     
    False. This is merely Corvanus' opinion, one he cannot prove. Which is why he has provided no cites, no evidence, no studies, no proof.

    And based on sheer numbers, more whites than blacks are genetically inclined to commit murder and rape, if one is taking a nature approach to violence.
     
    Corvanus is math-challenged, as well. Has difficulties with simple arithmetic, doesn't understand what "rate" means, etc.

    Still doesn’t change the fact that more whites in sheer numbers commit more violent crimes. So, in this case, is it because primarily due to genetics, a combination of genetics and environment, or primarily due to environment? Please do tell…
     
    I addressed this above, but Corvanus is too stupid to notice.

    Corvanus asks someone:

    [Sigh] Ok, Chicken Little. What are YOU doing about this situation? How are you going to help matters?
     
    Here's how Corvanus approaches his asserted goal of balancing out the political extremes in America:

    Only criticizing rightists and never leftists (he has admitted that he doesn't balance out his criticism of rightists here, with criticism of leftists elsewhere). Oh, and who criticizes Christians frequently, but never Muslims or Jews; on the contrary, he defends Muslims and punts when you ask him about Israel. All of which adds up to someone who bears considerable animus towards White Christian conservatives.

    Let's just say, Corvanus has established zero credibility in the realms of problem-solving, or in knowing problem-solving when he sees it.

    Simple. Refrain from buying the memes of the Coalition of the Fringes Left and Right regarding “white privilege” or “race realism” or “SJW’s Always Lie” or “Trump Voters Are Racist”. Read liberal and conservative publications and try to sift through their Fake News.
     
    This is more of Corvanus' phoniness. All of his criticism is reserved for the right, never the left. And for Christians, never Jews or Muslims. It's laughably phony; he's an anti-White, anti-Christian, leftist bigot.

    “There is no helping matters when the burden of afros to the country is so great, aided and abetted by misguided libs & deceitful leftist.”

    You forgot to add those troublesome Jew elites. They are the real source of that misguidance!
     
    See? Pro-Jewish sarcasm, but never pro-Christian. Criticism of Christians, but never of Muslims or Jews. Pro-Jewish, pro-Muslim, anti-Christian, anti-White, leftist bigot. Which is all the long form of "leftist."

    Is there any point in preaching to the choir?

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  227. @Truth
    Miles Davis ALLEGEDLY said this in 1960. That is 55 years ago. If we judged all of your heroes by what they said in 1960 or 1860, no one would pass muster.

    Your constant need to assert your credentials (“Mensa,” “Authentic,” “artist,” betrays your assertion that you aren’t concerned about your “cred.”

    You of course know Blacks commonly refer to White men as “White boy.” It’s obviously a racist slur which most Whites tolerate through guilt, intimidation, or whatever.

    You know this, don’t play dumb. Has a Black ever called you “White boy”? Have you ever heard a Black use that anti-White racist slur? Of course you have. What is your response? Nothing, of course. You get huffy when I call you “White boy” but I’m merely pointing out the hypocrisy of anti-White racism.

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    White men refer to other white men as "white boy."
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  228. @Truth
    Miles Davis ALLEGEDLY said this in 1960. That is 55 years ago. If we judged all of your heroes by what they said in 1960 or 1860, no one would pass muster.

    Miles Davis “joked” about torturing a White man to death slowly.

    Hilarious! How could anyone be offended? Especially since he said it “55 years ago”!

    Today happens to be Martin Luther King Day, and as always we’ll be hearing PLENTY about what happened 55 years ago.

    Anti-White racism is today’s reality, and you are doing your share. Congratulations!

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    Your "founding fathers" owned, bought and sold, and raped people. Does that mean they aren't "great"?
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  229. @anon

    therefore the perpetrators must be called out to take responsibility for the crimes they committed
     
    thing is, i can understand that point of view and in one context i could agree with it but...

    in the context of white people becoming a minority in every country they used to be a majority in then inciting anti-white animosity among a looming hostile majority towards my posterity is a big fat - no way

    and if the only way to prevent that is red in tooth and claw then so be it

    I don’t even really bother trying to persuade non-white people. It doesn’t matter. They’re tribal, always. Let China, Japan or the Koreas open up their borders to Africa for the next 100 years then maybe we can talk.

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    The Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans aren't pushing open borders on Western countries.

    For that we can thank the Chosen Ones -- let Israel open its borders first.
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  230. @Malcolm X-Lax
    I don't even really bother trying to persuade non-white people. It doesn't matter. They're tribal, always. Let China, Japan or the Koreas open up their borders to Africa for the next 100 years then maybe we can talk.

    The Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans aren’t pushing open borders on Western countries.

    For that we can thank the Chosen Ones — let Israel open its borders first.

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    Of that, I'm aware. The context was a prior comment by Mr. Wong. As for the oriental countries, I'm sure they observe the West's self-destructive stupidity with a combination of astonishment and delight.
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  231. Truth says:
    @Pat Kittle
    @Authenticjazzman:

    Your constant need to assert your credentials ("Mensa," "Authentic," "artist," betrays your assertion that you aren't concerned about your "cred."

    You of course know Blacks commonly refer to White men as "White boy." It's obviously a racist slur which most Whites tolerate through guilt, intimidation, or whatever.

    You know this, don't play dumb. Has a Black ever called you "White boy"? Have you ever heard a Black use that anti-White racist slur? Of course you have. What is your response? Nothing, of course. You get huffy when I call you "White boy" but I'm merely pointing out the hypocrisy of anti-White racism.

    White men refer to other white men as “white boy.”

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    Just answer the question. I repeat:

    You know this, don't play dumb. Has a Black ever called you "White boy"? Have you ever heard a Black use that anti-White racist slur? Of course you have. What is your response? Nothing, of course. You get huffy when I call you "White boy" but I'm merely pointing out the hypocrisy of anti-White racism.
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  232. Truth says:
    @Pat Kittle
    Miles Davis "joked" about torturing a White man to death slowly.

    Hilarious! How could anyone be offended? Especially since he said it "55 years ago"!

    Today happens to be Martin Luther King Day, and as always we'll be hearing PLENTY about what happened 55 years ago.

    Anti-White racism is today's reality, and you are doing your share. Congratulations!

    Your “founding fathers” owned, bought and sold, and raped people. Does that mean they aren’t “great”?

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    You sure you're in Mensa?

    You fatuously recite the "White-Founding-Fathers-owned-slaves" mantra, as if (((Hollywood))), (((Broadway))), etc. don't routinely drive the point home.

    Step right up, folks, and look at evil Whitey!

    Never mind the fact that Blacks (& possibly Muslims) sold the slaves in the first place -- and other Blacks & even American Indians were slave owners. And Jews (!) were right at the very upper echelons of the slave trade!

    Keywords:
    [ JEWISH SLAVE TRADE ].

    So what -- let's just blame Evil Whitey!

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  233. @Truth
    White men refer to other white men as "white boy."

    Just answer the question. I repeat:

    You know this, don’t play dumb. Has a Black ever called you “White boy”? Have you ever heard a Black use that anti-White racist slur? Of course you have. What is your response? Nothing, of course. You get huffy when I call you “White boy” but I’m merely pointing out the hypocrisy of anti-White racism.

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  234. @Truth
    Your "founding fathers" owned, bought and sold, and raped people. Does that mean they aren't "great"?

    You sure you’re in Mensa?

    You fatuously recite the “White-Founding-Fathers-owned-slaves” mantra, as if (((Hollywood))), (((Broadway))), etc. don’t routinely drive the point home.

    Step right up, folks, and look at evil Whitey!

    Never mind the fact that Blacks (& possibly Muslims) sold the slaves in the first place — and other Blacks & even American Indians were slave owners. And Jews (!) were right at the very upper echelons of the slave trade!

    Keywords:
    [ JEWISH SLAVE TRADE ].

    So what — let’s just blame Evil Whitey!

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  235. @Pat Kittle
    The Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans aren't pushing open borders on Western countries.

    For that we can thank the Chosen Ones -- let Israel open its borders first.

    Of that, I’m aware. The context was a prior comment by Mr. Wong. As for the oriental countries, I’m sure they observe the West’s self-destructive stupidity with a combination of astonishment and delight.

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  236. @Langley
    Gang rape in America is almost entirely done by Blacks:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_rape

    Please look up the stories behind the gang rapes in the references section to confirm this:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_rape#References

    Aren’t you forgetting Haven Monahan and his lily white frat brothers?

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  237. A Black Lives Matter activist, who also claims to be a pre-school teacher, gave a fiery speech at an anti-Trump rally in Seattle. “We need to start killing people,” she said to a smattering of applause. “First off, we need to start killing the White House. The White House must die.”

    The unidentified woman also had choice words to say about white people and reparations.

    “White people, give your fucking money, your fucking house, your fucking property, give it fucking all,” she said during Sunday’s protest. “You need to reparate[sic] black and indigenous people right now.”

    “It ain’t just your fucking time, it’s your fucking money and your life is now devoted to social change.”

    Heatstreet 1/31/17

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  238. @David
    I don't know anything about City Journal or Heather Mac Donald except this hate-fact filled commentary on interracial violence in the United States that Memorandum posted yesterday. I now love Heather.

    http://www.city-journal.org/html/window-depraved-culture-14929.html

    For example, she writes, "In 2012, blacks committed 560,600 acts of violence against whites, and whites committed 99,403 acts of violence against blacks, according to data from the National Crime Victimization Survey..."

    She discribes Coates' Between the World and Me as "acclaimed phantasmagoria of racial victimology."

    If you’ve only just come across Heather McDonald, you have a great deal of catching up to do.

    But, you’ll really enjoy reading her stuff!

    She started out a real liberal with sterling Establishment/SWPL credentials: Yale BA, Cambridge MA, Stanford JD. But she saw the light not too many years after moving to NYC.

    Much of her best writing is available on the website of the City Journal, the quarterly publication of the Manhattan Institute.

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  239. Malla says:
    @KenH

    KenH, yours is one of the more disgusting comments I have read.
     
    That's because you're an anti-white bigot who's incapable of objectivity or of seeing things from the white point of view. You're also are in dire need of a history lesson since blacks were slaves in Africa, there were black slave owners in America (some treated their black slaves brutally), and some whites were consigned to indentured servitude.

    then blacks are within their rights to attack whites because “whitey was oppressing them” (maybe a few decades ago).
     
    Blacks no longer have reasons for attacking whites other than to punish them for their own failures in life and/or an atavistic, irrational hatred.

    Since 1965 this nation has spent trillions of dollars, upended the Constitution and persecuted and mocked whites all for the sake of helping blacks and atoning for past wrongs, both real and imaginary. And for that blacks hate us even more and have waged a one sided race war against whites judging by the interracial violent crime statistics. Many black leaders and commentators either applaud, excuse, ignore or gloss over this reality, so do you find this as "disgusting" as you find my comments? White commentators and leaders don't want to dare be seen siding with their own people since that's "racism" and "white supremacy".

    No such effort has been made to redress the legitimate grievances of whites since 1965 or address the disparity in interracial crime and permit whites to take appropriate action to protect their schools and communities. Dylan Roof was acutely aware of the race war being waged on his people and the deliberate refusal of the establishment to acknowledge it and institute corrective action and he snapped.

    Enlighten me on your solution to the race problem.

    I remember reading in the book ‘Among the Believers’, a book on Islam by Nobel laureate V.S. Naipaul where a well traveled and bright Pakistani scholar tells Mr. Naipaul why islam is the best. His explanation went some thing like this: Judaism is all laws. Christianity is all about love and mercy. The Pakistani told Mr. Naipaul that such endless love and mercy will never make sense for a primitive people like Africans (yes he specifically mentions Africans), it will only anger the African further. Thus according to him, Islam is best as it includes Jewish law and Christian mercy.

    Hmmmmm…… excessive kindness and mercy actually making blacks even angrier?? This Pakistani’ persons insight is what the West needs. White people have a habit of projecting their own tendencies on other races and thus suffer as a result. They believe that if Whites respond well with mercy and justice, black people will/should too. Yes there will be a few blacks who will respond in a civilized way like most White people but for the vast majority of black people ‘White ways’ do not work and will never work ever in the future. Maybe those apartheid (keeping the races apart) era South Africans were on to something.

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  240. Curle says:
    @Authenticjazzman
    " He charged too much, blacks couldn't afford the ticket price"

    Nonsense = The Detroit jazz fest, one of the top world-wide charges no admission, all shows are free.

    Look I am, myself, a jazz player with over fifty years on the bandstand, my last gig was sunday past, and I know what I am talking about = Jazz music is sadly not appreciated in the black community anymore, with the exception of a few kids in school programs who are studying it , and older folks who never disconnected from it.

    If you would ask the majority of young blacks in their twenties who Charlie Parker or Wes Montgomery were, you would get a blank stare and puzzlement, but they would be able to list all of the rap-thugs name by name.

    Authenticjazzman, "Mensa" society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.

    A lot of the great rock gods of the 60s and 70s started off life as jazz musicians (e.g., Ginger Baker, just to pick one). Some as bluegrass musicians, Jerry Garcia. I can’t help but wonder if the general decline of rock music isn’t in some way related to the decline of these other forms. I go to jazz shows from time to time, but the musicians are overwhelmingly white.

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  241. anarchyst says:
    @anon
    Yes listening to rap lyrics will clue you in to the vapidity and violence of these people. Presumably the successful rappers are from the right hand side of the iq distribution (there are plenty of bad amateur rappers on soundcloud with obviously less verbal faculty). And yet they will have songs that express inch deep "conscious" messages about how the racist police oppress their community and not see the irony of having other songs where they talk about how they've sold millions of dollars worth of cocaine and murdered gang rivals. In the ghetto any "intellectual" talk about racism is just parroting of elite black pseudo-intellectuals, and it occurs against a backdrop of jaw droppingly senseless acts of extreme violence. The Chicago torture, like the hundreds of Chicago murders last year, was not committed in any sort of intellectual framework. The crimes are perpetrated for financial gain, or due to a perceived insult, or for fun, or for absolutely no reason at all.

    And WHO bankrolls and supports these “rappers”? The “chosen”, of course…what better way to debase and coarsen the culture…

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  242. @Authenticjazzman
    Great observation.

    The loss by the black community of their own marvelous music : Jazz was a profound stepping stone towards the criminalization of their mislead youth, mislead by the "rap" idiots and thug glorifiers.

    I cannot imagine a black kid leaving the house with the idea of mugging someone, after listening to Count Basie or John Coltrane, or Miles Davis.

    One the top (black) jazz stars stated a few years ago that it was heartbreaking for him to look out at an audience and see only white faces.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member since 1973, and pro jazz artist.

    Was it “heartbreaking” when he cashed the check?

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