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Outrage of the week was surely the sentences handed down by New York Judge Mark Dwyer against two Proud Boys, Maxwell Hare and John Kinsman. Dwyer gave them four years each for defending themselves against antifa thugs who’d been waiting in the street for them after a Gavin McInnes event in October last year.

Here’s the laugh-out-loud paragraph, quote:

The victims in the case were never identified, and Antifa refused to cooperate with the investigation. Prosecutors said that if they could have located the Antifa members, they would have also been charged.

Proud Boys members get prison for brawl with Antifa protesters, by Rebecca Rosenberg, NY Post, October 22, 2019

“If they could have located them”? They were right there on the street with Hare and Kinsman.

“Antifa refused to cooperate with the investigation”? Say what? So as long as I don’t co-operate with the authorities, I won’t be arrested and prosecuted?

It couldn’t be any plainer that Antifa are the enforcement arm of the progressive establishment, with full license to do as they please, masked and hooded, against citizens with unfashionable opinions. At one point in the trial John Kinsman’s lawyer, Jack Goldberg, referred to the prosecution as the, quote, “New York County district Antifa office.” Yep, that’s what they are.

One good thing came out of this gross travesty of justice. That was the five-minute video about the sentencing posted by Gavin McInnes. I’ve known Gavin for years. He’s a witty, thoughtful, tolerant fellow. In this video he is eloquent and passionate, in a way I’ve not seen him before. In fact he is spitting mad—with very good cause.

In the name of truth and justice, and to understand the country we now live in, please watch that video.

(Republished from VDare by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. What the Proud Boys fail to understand is this:

    New York City is Politically Blue because of Nonwhite LEGAL IMMIGRANTS+NONWHITE CHILDREN OF NONWHITE LEGAL IMMIGRANTS=Democratic Politicians get to control the Legal System……Demographics is Legal System Power…

    As Paul Kersey says:”No one is comming to save us”

    The Constitution is not going to save the Proud Boys….Demographics is fundamental…..Nonwhite Demographics says:”FUCK YOUR CONSTITUTION!!”

    Donald Trump is enthusiastically importing the highly RACIALIZED Democratic Party Voting Bloc…..LEGALLY….

    Here is another way to think of it:

    No passage of the 1965 NONWHITE LEGAL IMMIGRANT ACT…..Irish Cockroach Grifter Terry McCaulife elected Governor of Virginia…..What happened in Charlottesville never happens….0 probability of happening…..

    The Proud Boys are stupid fucking Civic Nationalist Cucks….

    The passage of the 1965 NONWHITE LEGAL IMMIGRANT INCREASE ACT=The Democrats get to pick the County Judges and Federal Judges….And the Democratic Party Judges get to interpret the Constitution…….while Alex Jones sells male enhancement herbal supplements on Infowars……Think about it…

  2. Above comment should read:No passage of the 1965 NONWHITE LEGAL IMMIGRANT INCREASE ACT….Irish Catholic Cockroach Grifter Terry McCaulife is never elected Democratic Governor of Virginia……

  3. I should rob a bank and then refuse to cooperate with prosecutors. I see big upside here.

    In other news, Antifa’s David Campbell was convicted and sentenced to prison for attacking and choking a Trump supporter in Manhattan. But the victim in this case was Jewish, so Campbell’s non-cooperation with prosecutors failed to do the trick.

  4. The White Men in the Gavin McInnis Brigade are paying a terrible price for Gavin McInnis’s buttplug jackass nonesense…. Without a doubt the US is now in a Civil War between the majority nonwhite Democratic Party and the majority White D0nald Trump Party….But this of course makes it a RACE WAR……..It is now no exaggeration to state this…..

    Donald Trump has completely betrayed his loyal White Male Voting Bloc…..

    Here is the thing about the Proud Boys…..In terms of policies they support, the Proud Boys approximate the homosexual PEDERAST ANTIFA rather closely…..

    The much larger and fundamental issue:THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY WANTS TO EXTERMINATE WORKING CLASS NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICAN MALES….The Great Replacement is very real………WHITE GENOCIDE IS VERY REAL….

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  5. I’m on their side. But they really should call themselves the dumb boys. Brawling with Antifa in the street will only land you in jail. The Proud Boys have outed themselves. They will never be of any use against the Communists.

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @Anonymous
  6. @Bragadocious

    The most striking example of Jewish Privilege I have seen is the violent group assault on Taj Patterson, a young gay black art student, by a Jewish neighborhood patrol in Brooklyn. They mistakenly thought was a car thief. They called him racial epithets while kicking him after he was down and he was seriously injured. After a long court battle a couple of the attackers were sentenced to community service. Unlike Jussie Smollett’s fake assault, no senators tweeted about the outrage or its apocalyptic implications for the future of democracy. Nobody proposed a new national conversation. It was nearly buried. Imagine if the attackers were four white gentiles from Georgia visiting Manhattan.

    • Replies: @animalogic
    , @Bragadocious
  7. Paul says:

    What is going on? What is going on is that the trial was in New York.

    Anyone who thinks that courts are apolitical is living in a fairy-tale world.

    • Agree: unit472, Hail
  8. Realist says:
    @WorkingClass

    Antifa must be dealt with on an individual, personal basis.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  9. @jack daniels

    Oh no! Not community service! These poor men — they may have to mix with an indiscriminate mob of non-tribalists…. Or, probably not….

    • Replies: @dvorak
  10. Berlin 1930s redux, except the “facists” don’t seem to be on top of their game. Gavin McInnes is no Adolph Hitler. The communists are winning this one.

    Welcome to the Casino Gulag (h/t Max Keiser).

  11. For the moment, Antifa is protected by the corrupt establishment. This won’t last.

    Sooner or later, anti Antifa forces will reach out and take them out from a distance. This really is the start of a coming violent readjustment in the society that is way over due.

    ‘Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.’
    John F. Kennedy

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  12. unit472 says:

    To quote James Clapper its time to start taking ‘kill shots’ at the elites. If they are too well protected and most are, their families are not. A million AR-15 march into Washington, D.C. and through the streets of Georgetown with some accidental discharges through the windows of their homes.

  13. The Democratic Party wants to EXTERMINATE WORKING CLASS WHITE MALES

    And this means the DEMOCRATIC PARTY wants to MURDER WORKING CLASS WHITE MALES IN COLD BLOOD!!!

    IN COLD BLOOD!!!!

    IN COLD BLOOD!!!!

    IN COLD BLOOD!!!!

    IN COLD BLOOD!!!!

    IN COLD BLOOD!!!!

    IN COLD BLOOD!!!!

    WW2 WASN’T WORTH IT

    THE CIVIL WAR WASN’T WORTH IT

  14. I support the Proud Boys and I love Gavin. Clearly this whole situation was preposterous and never should have gotten as far as it did.

    My one question is: Gavin and the PB maintain that Antifa attacked them. But the NYT has video which it claims demonstrates the opposite. I haven’t seen that video but, what about that? Honest question.

    • Replies: @Chris Mallory
  15. The judiciary is falling into, or has already fallen into, the hands of the Counterculture. Add to the clearly excessive sentences of the Proud Boys the conviction and absurdly long sentence of James Fields for murder (his worst offense was the much less serious crime of manslaughter), the sentences handed out to members of Generation Identitaire in France for protesting illegal invasions at the Italian border, and the sedition convictions and long sentences given to Catalonian secessionists in Spain.

    For members of the dissident right, the message is clear: the police and the courts view you as dangerous enemies. Comport yourself accordingly.

  16. Gavin butt-plug-up-the-ass-McInnis……

    The Proud Boys are GLOBAL-HOMO…What exactly is there to like about The Proud Boys…..?

    • Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin
  17. @Jesse the Green

    The NY Post story linked also has that video. In it you see the six roaches standing in frame. Their attention is off frame. One throws what looks like a bottle off frame. A second later the front roach is hit by a running man wearing a red cap. The brawl moves to the right off frame a nd then back to the left in front of the camera.

    Not cooperating with law enforcement is the smart thing to do. At the first question your response should be ” I am exercising my 5th Amendment right to remain silent and I want my lawyer. “. Any thing else and you are only talking yourself into charges.

    The old “Five Words” can be used, but a case a couple of years ago said that unless you actively assert you 5th Amendment right your silence can be used against you. Salinas v TEXAS JUNE 2013.

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @Anonymous
  18. @Bragadocious

    There’s a plan! If we’re attacked by Antifa or any other members of the far left, we self-identify as Jewish. They’ll no longer be able to attack us with impunity.

    Tomorrow I’m going to go out and buy a bunch of gold chains, one even with a Star of David, to wear to the next Trump rally.

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
  19. @War for Blair Mountain

    Civic-nationalism is bulls**t.

    (Poor Gavin. He and his boys so desperate to be good whites, and TPTB, grateful for their efforts, didn’t approvingly pat them on their heads.)

  20. @jack daniels

    Yikes, one of these Talmudic thugs gouged out his eye. I can see how this never reached CNN. I’m sure the Jewish patrol refused to cooperate with prosecutors. It really does work!

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
    , @Mr McKenna
  21. JimDandy says:

    I can’t watch the video. I know the whole story and I can’t bring myself to listen to it again. Yes, Antifa is part of the Progressive machine.

    1.) Masked Antifa vandalized the Republican Club, made ominous threats of violence, viciously attacked Proud Boys, and forced Proud Boys to defend themselves.
    2.) Police were under orders to look for reasons to attack Proud Boys, and they did.
    3.) Within hours, Cuomo publicly found Proud Boys guilty without a trial and declared that they were banned from New York City in the cringiest of tweets: “Hate cannot and will not be tolerated in New York. Here’s a message from a Queens boy to the so-called ‘proud boys’ – ​NY has zero tolerance for your bs.”
    4.) NY Police officers privately admitted that word came from the top: arrest Proud Boys–and arrest no Antifa.
    5.) Two decent, white regular Joes have been sentenced by a lapdog liberal judge to serve four years in prison with the worst of the worst–for defending themselves against violent masked thugs. This verdict was essentially determined when then men were arrested.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  22. @Kolya Krassotkin

    Sure, slap on your yarmulke and call yourself Ben Shapiro, Jr.

    • Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin
  23. The passage of the 1965 NONWHITE LEGAL IMMIGRANT INCREASE ACT has transferred massive Demographic Racial Power to the Democratic Party Politicians and the nonwhite Democratic Party Voting Bloc….They get to pick the DAs and Judges…..IT’S A RACE WAR AGAINST WHITEY!!!!

    And I blame the filthy fucking Irish Catholic Cockroaches JFK and his brother Teddy for all of this…

    1+1=2 easy to understand…unless you have internalized the post-1965 System of Oppression……

  24. @War for Blair Mountain

    Don’t consent to be governed by the POST-1965 ORDER OF THINGS…

    If you vote for the filthy fucking cockroach Donald Trump…you are consenting to be voted into a WHITE RACIAL FOREIGNER-WHITE RACIAL MINORITY within the borders of America by nonwhite LEGAL IMMIGRANTS and their Nonwhite US Born Geneline…

    DON’T VOTE!!!… because you can’t vote your way out of the open and deliberate policy of WHITE GENOCIDE……

  25. lavoisier says: • Website

    Does JD think this latest outrage of justice has anything to do with the Jewish control over the society and the corresponding persecution of the Gentile?

    Is there any relationship here that can be studied?

    • Replies: @Gast
  26. SDC says:

    Maybe the proud soys can beg their deity, President Donald Trump, to pardon them.

  27. This story is particularly disturbing, unfair, and intolerable.

    Over and over and over Antifa attack white people and nothing is done.

    Our guys defend themselves and go to prison.

    How much more can white people take?

  28. @War for Blair Mountain

    Celler and Javitz wrote the legislation.

    Kennedy was a drunken freshman Senator, a useful idiot, but he did not originate the bill.

  29. I wish that everyone seeking my understanding or support would refrain from adding a sound track to video evidence supposed to be taken seriously. Documentaries do this all the time; it’s rhetorically cheap.

  30. @Robert Dolan

    What do you suggest people do?

    Southpark Season 21 Episode 10 commiserates with the Whites.

  31. @Cloudbuster

    How to distinguish Ben Shapiro, jr. from Ben Shapiro: Ben Shapiro, jr is at least a half foot taller.

    • LOL: Mr McKenna
  32. Glory to the Antifa.

    • Disagree: Hail
  33. KenH says:

    The DA’s name was (((Steinglass))) but I’m sure that’s insignificant. In rendering the sentence the so called judge used antifa talking points about preventing the rise of fascism and events in 1930’s Germany to justify the harsh sentence he handed down. The verdict should be thrown out based on the DA’s and judge’s obvious left wing political bias. I hope these Proud Boys appeal the verdict and the sentencing.

    So now right of center Americans exercising their first amendment rights is fascism and defending themselves from left wing thugs is also fascism.

    Gavin McInnes needs to put up or shut up and provide funds for an appeal instead of whining on jewtube.

  34. Dannyboy says:

    So the moral of the story is: If you’re going to confront Leftist ratfilth, you might as well kill them and get your money’s worth. 😉

  35. This will not end well…
    for the Communists like Cuomo and a host of others. These scum will reap it.
    Guaranteed.

  36. @Bragadocious

    the Jewish patrol refused to cooperate with prosecutors

    That’s basically the same strategy by which (((they))) get away with being a nuclear-armed power but remaining outside of nuclear non-proliferation treaties and IAEA inspections. If US law applied to the powerful, the Symington Amendment to the US Arms Export Control Act would be enforced.

    But US law – like all laws of States – is an apparatus of convenience, and simply doesn’t apply to the high-level parasites. The only way to make high-level parasites (and their apparatchiki) accountable is late night home visits; in another decade or so that will become even more obvious.

    If Iran said “We have a policy of nuclear ambiguity“, every neocon on the planet would unleash their unhinged “Book of Joshua” bloodlust.

    • Agree: Mr McKenna
  37. Bike Lock Antifa professor got off scot-free.

    This is Jew-run America. Whites are now treated like Palestinians in W. Bank.

    Yet, Derb sucks up to JSP or Jewish Supremacist Power.

    • Agree: Robert Dolan
  38. Yes….white people are the new Palestinians…..they just haven’t figured it out quite yet.

  39. Anonymous[250] • Disclaimer says:
    @Robert Dolan

    How much more can white people take?

    The answer to that question and the likelihood of political action and retaliation, lies in the percentage of white Americans who still remember Jeffrey Epstein.

    And who know that the Mossad operated a child grooming gang of their gentile kids to blackmail their political elites for political gain; that Epstein was murdered in the highest security prison in the USA in front of the eyes of the world; while the entire media complex they own reported it as suicide.

    Now, compare this reality to the founding myth of the Ancient Roman republic. The sexual harassement of Lucretia by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sextus_Tarquinius

    And you have a good measure on where the gentile cattle and US democracy stand.

  40. I feel terrible about what has happened to the Proud Boys, but I have to admit that I always really disliked their name. It makes me think of that old Duran Duran song, Wild Boys.

  41. @War for Blair Mountain

    I don’t care if you are black, white, yellow, red, green or purple…

    Signed,

    Civic Nationalists and regular Americans (1965-2016) who don’t have a clue about demographics.

  42. Anonymous[302] • Disclaimer says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    Thank Yahweh putzes like you are around to guide us, Obi-wan Kenutless. Without passive, do-nothing whiners like you, America might have survived. How many hours a day does Steinem let you lick her jackboots?

  43. Anonymous[354] • Disclaimer says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    >”WHITE GENOCIDE IS VERY REAL”

    If true, Mr. ALL-CAPS, what have you done about it, exactly?

    Thought so.

    >”the Proud Boys approximate the homosexual PEDERAST ANTIFA rather closely…..”

    Au contraire, mon frêre. I rather suspect it is YOU, and YOUR supine “Insert your john-thomases here, laddies!” stance of do-nothingness that approximates that of gerbilists.

  44. Anonymous[354] • Disclaimer says:
    @WorkingClass

    Yes, yes. They should be like you and done nothing for 50 years while the Left reamed everything you SAID you valued.

    Think antifa would have lasted a day during WWII vet times?

    Western men today are pussies. They refused to fight for 5 decades. Now they whine online about all the shite they let happen in reality.

    WWII vets would have ripped off Antifa masks and decked them if they got witin an arm’s length away. They would have said, “Now youse can’t leave!”

  45. I was hoping that the Stanford Law Kamala Harris would be America’s next President…..But this SYPHYLLITIC whore got clobbered in debate by the Hawaii Pacific grad Tulsi Gabbard…

    Why would I want the Negro-Hindu-Slut Kamala Harris as our next POTUS?…..Answer:ACCELERATIONISM!!!!…

    If Michele Obama decides to jump into the POTUS Race….Sheman will defeat Trump by a wide margin….

    Trump defeats Warren in a toss-of-the-coin-statistical-dead-heat…..White Males are pulled out of their cars that night by Negro Youth and set on fire…..California secedes….

    Elizabeth Warren wins….open RACE WAR against WORKING CLASS NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICAN MALES…..They will announce this at 8 PM election night….Juan Castro or Cory Booker her VP…possibly even Pete Buttplug…..maybe even the Negro-Hindu Slut with incurable venereal disease and vaginal warts in the shape of Willie Brown’s head to boot…..real nasty shit….

    You can keep fantasizing about a Policy Wonk soft landing…but that ship has left port….The RACE WAR had already arrived….on Nov 7 2007……Although I believe it actually started back in Oct 1965…..

  46. Anonymous[302] • Disclaimer says:
    @Realist

    >”Antifa must be dealt with on an individual, personal basis.”

    Right. Just like lone men oppose huge, organized, well-funded feminist GROUPS.

    Just like lone, isolated male snipers defeated the Axis in WWII.

    FACT: There are no stupider beings on Earth than today’s Western men. They fight armies alone…which means they never do…while urging fellow men to oppose lions with flatulence.

    It’s like men no longer know why unions, armies, associations exist.

    They’re like that father in Texas who never joined a men’s rights group, yet wonders why his wife can chemically castrate his son based on anti-male Family Court laws feminist GROUPS passed that men never opposed.

    So, sure: keep going mano-a-mano with armies and continue to lose. You must love losing.

    • Replies: @Realist
  47. Anonymous[401] • Disclaimer says:
    @JimDandy

    >”This verdict was essentially determined when then men were arrested.”

    No, it was determined by 5 decades of cucked Western men refusing to unite and fight forces attacking them 24-7-365.

    Since there is nothing stopping the Left, it will not stop.

    The Right will simply act outraged at the next, inevitable and inevitably more outrageous, Leftist crime.

    The Left knows that the Right if filled with Manginas who hope Santa will stop bullies.

    • Replies: @lavoisier
  48. If you vote for Trump….you are consenting for THE NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICAN HISTORIC RACIAL MAJORITY to be race-replaced across America……………….by nonwhite LEGAL IMMIGRANTS and their Nonwhite US Born Geneline….

    1+1=2………

  49. Gast says:
    @lavoisier

    Yeah, I agree one should call out half-truther agent JD for missing the most obvious connections for decades. What a shill of jewish power this clown is.

  50. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Robert Dolan

    Our guys defend themselves and go to prison.

    How much more can white people take?

    The only good that can come from this is to help to inform the uninformed that there is indeed a war against white people going on in this country and the government is not on your side.

    Whether we like it or not these examples of gross injustice make it clear that the Gulag has arrived in the United States.

    It is long past time to realize that there is a war going on and only one side is fighting that war and they are winning. They will continue to push to crush any and all dissent from their policies absent a meaningful response from us.

    Every one of our major institutions in this country are hostile to the interests of the historic American nation and the people who founded and developed this nation. .

    If you are white and signing up to serve in the military you are delusional.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  51. Realist says:
    @Anonymous

    Just like lone, isolated male snipers defeated the Axis in WWII.

    Evidently English is not your first language. You’re comparing Antifa to the WWII Axis???

    So, sure: keep going mano-a-mano with armies and continue to lose.

    That is a nonsensical, stupid statement…man to man with armies??? WTF is that???
    Groups opposed to Antifa are arrested when they fight back…so the fight is against the police in shitlib cities. Those opposed to Antifa need to deal with individual Antifa members on a personal basis. So they will not be arrested.

    Your dumb fuck, implied, suggestion is to raise an army to fight Antifa…go get ’em genius.

    You must love being a loser.

  52. I have all the sympathy in the world for these guys getting thrown in jail.

    HOWEVER

    It needs to be acknowledged that for all of the cries for ANTIFA to be prosecuted, those same people refuse to acknowledge that Gavin McGuiness deserves to be on trial just as much as they do. While it is true that Gavin started the group as just an outspoken boys club, he also decided to fan their flames after the Portland protests. There’s numerous clips out there of Gavin outwardsly asking his guys to be violent, and threatening more violence. I do think alot of it was just Gavin trying to be Billy Bad-Ass, and not actually leading a hate mob. But instead of trying to snuff the animosity out on his end and INB4 culpability before the events at Charlottesville, he gave the media the charicature that they needed. And for him to abandon his guys when they were arrested so he could start a free speech site with Milo using his donars money and start a BS lawsuit to sue the SPLC (which I believe he did to muddy the waters to get people who though tthey were donating to the arrest lawsuit instead) shows to me that Gavin is an oppotunists termite. In summation: Fuck ANTIFA for what they did, but fuck Gavin as well.

  53. Practical Questions:

    1. Is there an appeal coming up?

    2. In the meantime, anything we can do to help? Write letters, send stuff?

  54. The problem I have with the proud boys is that they haven’t made it clear as to what they stand for or what the plan is. They show up and fight antifa but they aren’t telling us what they want.

    Their lack of a political platform allows the MSM to define them as part of some nefarious movement that is the result of current politics, with of course the message that society needs to change direction to save itself.

    It seems they should just call themselves dudes that beat up antifa and drop this pretense of having a political agenda.

    They do seem to have some “minimalist government” leanings which shows a novice response to the current situation. If libertarian theory was correct about the free market being everything then Somalia should be a utopia.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  55. I’m not sure why anyone really cares about Antifa. They certainly aren’t worth going to jail over, even for a night.

    The real problem is the establishment.

    Antifa might as well be a gang of street punks.

    Sure they wear Commie symbols but the mainstream left doesn’t want anything to do with them. This idea of another red revolution is a joke. The mainstream left is led by globalists that drink $200 bottles of wine. If anything the globalists are against the traditional reds because it can lead to locked down White ethno-states. The globalist left has grudgingly figured out that race matters more than economic systems and the only option they see is to turn the the US and Europe into Brazil. Well other than admit they were wrong of course.

  56. Like the members of RAM, these Proud Boys should have been bettering themselves, starting families, and creating communities rather than engaging in Nazi Cosplay. Until the Alt-Right has true leadership and a plan, this is really the only sane action to take. I predict there will be a Black Swan event that will galvanize a large percentage of the White population and truly balkanize this country. That is when these young men should make themselves known.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  57. @John Johnson

    They show up and fight antifa but they aren’t telling us what they want.

    I’m not sure what you mean by that, John. It’s not like they showed up TO fight antifa. They were having an “event”, whether that meant a normal meeting, a talk, a rally, or whatever. They had every right in the world to meet.

    Just as with the Unite-the-Right small crowd (too small, unfortunately) in Charlottesville 2 years back, the Proud Boys expected trouble from the antifa and got it. (They did not meet up TO fight the antifa, is what I’m getting at.). Were they supposed to just meet in extreme secrecy for the rest of their lives or call it all off? Now, that would be cowardice and surrender. It’d also be cowardly for them to just run if what they expected happened, so being prepared to fight back was THE option.

    The antifa know they have the entire establishment on their side, so they won’t suffer. That is, until some on the right have just not quite so much to lose anymore. That’s when some of these antifa people will have to think twice about coming back, either from the hospital room or the funeral. Again, what JFK said.

  58. @MalePaleStale

    I don’t agree. Once you start a family, you’ve got a whole lot more to lose. Do you think that’d make people like the Proud Boys more or less likely to resist the increasing pressure from the ctrl-left instigators of violence?

    Don’t get me wrong, MPS. It’s best if lots of the alt-right have families. There must be some reasonably young single guys ready to fight though. As much as you may want to DO SOMETHING, the thought of the ruin of your family may stop you cold. There may be a better time and place for all this, but it’s these type of guys who are necessary to eventually take care of business. It ain’t gonna be done in the voting booth – you obviously know that.

  59. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    Since there is nothing stopping the Left, it will not stop.

    The Right will simply act outraged at the next, inevitable and inevitably more outrageous, Leftist crime.

    The Left knows that the Right if filled with Manginas who hope Santa will stop bullies.

    Your first statement is correct. The outrageous injustice will continue unless it is stopped. The left will not stop on its own.

    Your latter two statements I think are incorrect. The Right would fight back if they could get behind a leader who would defend their interests. Donald Trump is not that man.

    You would have a million man march on Washington if Trump had kept faith with his base and did all in his power to keep his promises. Can you imagine if Trump told the National Guard to police the border and the Democrats and the courts blocked this and he stood his ground and precipitated a constitutional crisis? People who voted for the man would show up in huge numbers to support him.

    What if he made it clear that Antifascists are nothing more than scum and force their prosecution for assault and battery?

    As it is the historic American nation and its people have nobody, and I mean nobody, who will go to the mat for them. They are without leaders and hence do not know how to respond to the constant assaults on their freedoms and their integrity from virtually every major power source in America and the West today.

    They are not cowards, many are itching to fight against this injustice, but they need a leader.

    Trump is not that man, but if that man comes along, the equation changes immediately.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  60. Thank you so much for this piece, John.

    I was at the NY Met Republican Club the night of this incident and these young men are my friends. They were falsely charged and convicted for a high-level crime for what amounted to legally, at most, maybe disorderly conduct. Or simply self-defense (not a crime!).

    The day before the incident Antifa members vandalized the NY Met Club. Antifa frequently go about instigating and committing actual violence around the world like assaulting innocent elderly persons, at times with impunity, because of powerful elites pulling strings in the justice system.

    Two of the Proud Boys were just sentenced to a 4 year prison sentence, and it was the same judge who presided over a convicted child sex offender case, where the offender got merely months.

    Justice is dead in many parts of America, where innocent people are convicted of “crimes” just for defending themselves or simply being at the wrong place at the wrong time.

    America needs to stand up and act and demand justice!

    • Replies: @Telemachos
  61. Sean says:
    @Chris Mallory

    front roach is hit by a running man wearing a red cap.

    Right under the noses of the comps. Talk about foolhardy.

    The brawl moves to the right off frame and then back to the left in front of the camera.

    Cameras had a lot to do with them getting arrested.

    Not cooperating with law enforcement is the smart thing to do. At the first question your response should be ” I am exercising my 5th Amendment right to remain silent and I want my lawyer. “. Any thing else and you are only talking yourself into charges.

    They might quote that to a jury and you would sound like a man who knew his rights because he thought he was going to need them. Better to say ‘thank you, but I will wait until I have seen my lawyer before making a statement’ And when you are asked who is your lawyer if you you don’t have one, just say so.

    Nothing you can say will stop them arresting you and charging you anyway. The reason to remain silent is guilty or innocent, talking to the police can only make it easier for the prosecutors to get a conviction, but it cannot help you.

  62. @AmericanPatriot

    I think there may be a good opportunity for that standing up and demanding justice in this case. For example, I’ve been looking at two youtube videos: McInnes’ ‘Four Years’ that Derbyshire linked to above, and one of the videos of the incident. Each has nearly 5,000 comments, and nearly all of them are sympathetic because, in this case, the issue is simply too clear: as you say, what was at worst disorderly conduct, under clear provocation (the thrown bottle, the vandalism, the barrage of shouting etc) did not deserve a prison sentence.

    Also, the entire mainstream media and wikipedia are transparently phony, solemnly calling Antifa “anti-fascists” while heaping terms of abuse on the PBs with almost no substance. For example, the Guardian’s account is stupid even by Guardian standards, nothing but a long string of ominous noises about how far-right groups have been committing violence in American streets, and the police have wickedly refrained from punishing them….until now…and of course ending with the ritual noise about how the SPLC (“An organization that monitors American hate groups”) “has designated” etc etc…actually, if you didn’t know anything, and you read that Guardian piece, you’d really believe that we were in the middle of a crisis of nazism (“neo-nazis and other far-right groups” whose “well-documented assaults occur in public” etc.)

    During the two or three lines that the Guardian condescended to devote to the details of this specific case, all they say is that, according to the defense, antifa started the fight by throwing that bottle. (They don’t comment here because, um, what could they say? Antifa DID start that fight not only by throwing that bottle but by a night of shouting, vandalism, etc…)

    And wikipedia if anything is worse than the Guardian. (By the way…that bike-lock incident? Why the total silence? If wikipedia mentions it anywhere, I haven’t found it. The only place that does mention it is a Berkeley paper and there, too, nearly all the comments are sanely horrified: nothing but probation for a vicious and unprovoked assault.)

    So yes, it’s crystal clear here that they were given an unjust sentence simply out of political hatred; that judge Dwyer lives in the same mental universe as the Guardian writer, the dark night of fascism is threatening to descend, he probably believes that he’s taken a brave stand against it…he forgot that he has to rule according to what they actually did.

    This is why I’m so encouraged by the thousands of supportive comments on both youtube videos. And by the deafening silence of antifa and their friends, who presumably know they don’t have a case. Also, many, many of the youtube commenters can see that the PBs are not, in fact, hateful figures, and that some sort of smear campaign seems to be going on.

    And, many of them are asking, and I also ask, what practical, useful actions can be taken? First, to set the record straight, protest, etc; secondly to support whatever appeal is in progress (I assume the case is being appealed?)

    Anyway, as for the standing up and demanding justice part, perhaps this is the right moment?

    • Replies: @Telemachos
  63. @Telemachos

    Lest you think I’m exaggerating about the youtube comments, here’s a sample, and I’m not cherry-picking; these are seven of the first dozen I see:

    1. “so four years for defending your self from masked thugs out to attack innocent people and vandalize property gets you 4 years in jail? It is the judge who should be behind bars. The sentence is a politically motivated crime.”

    2. “It’s clear the proud boys are defending themselves. the fact that some of these guys were prosecuted is clearly a political prosecution. Shame on NYC.”

    3. “I see no assault here. I see a group of friends stopping a thief from stealing another friend’s private property and dealing with the thief accordingly. It doesn’t matter if it’s a hat, a wallet, jewelry or the shirt off the mans back, nobody has the right to take anyone’s property. Antifa is the lowest form of scumbag on the planet.”

    4. “Proper looking American dudes of every race. I’d stand with those guys any day.”

    5. “So I went to the page because the media seemed to indicate that the Metropolitan Club (right around to the corner from where I live) was hosting Nazi white supremacists, which I would have a big problem with. Well, I was really surprised. The video shows quite a different scene. Most of the “Proud Boys” seemed to be quite diverse. There were Asians, blacks, Indians … who else was represented here? What I did see was protesters trying to stop freedom of speech and THAT I have a problem with. Am I missing something here? This isn’t the progressive NYC that I want to be part of. I’d rather side with those “Proud Boys”.”

    6. “The Proud Boys have more diversity than Antifa lol.”

    7. “Let’s go let’s go? They have the right to walk anywhere there. The police should have been arresting those violent Antifa parasites.”

    And on and on it goes in that vein. And what encourages me is that the vast majority of these comments do not sound at all as if they are coming from rabid partisans, but from ordinary people who recognize injustice when they see it.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  64. @Telemachos

    Great stuff. Thank you. That is encouraging, Telemachos.

  65. Anonymous[496] • Disclaimer says:
    @Chris Mallory

    Yep, mistake number one by these PB was thinking that the cops would be on their side. Never, ever talk with the police. They are never your friend. Nothing comes before or between their $160k-$300k/year gigs, their pensions, and, for a lot of them, their generous VA disability handouts. Life is good for these types and TPTB have seen to it that this class of white males get generous handouts and generously-salaried jobs as added security that this class of won’t start, or be part of, any uprising. I figured this out a long ago when I saw Irish Catholic cops clubbing the heads and kneeling in the backs of elderly women saying the rosary on sidewalks in front of abortion clinics.

    What this video by a Regent Univ. Law School professor James Duane (B.A., Harvard; J.D., Harvard Law; fmr. federal prosecutor) and get his book on Audible:

    https://youtu.be/i8z7NC5sgik

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  66. As far as I am concerned the PB are wasting their time. They need to target who/what antifa stands for; immigrants and niggers. The filth of humanity. North America must rid itself of these useless parasites.

  67. If white men don’t support white men who will?

  68. @Bragadocious

    2013, and I’m just learning about it now, here, on UNZ. A local story, don’t you know. Unlike Jussie, who was international front-page news for weeks.

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