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This week’s big story on the CultMarx front was the firing of Google employee James Damore. The firing offense was, he had written a document titled Google’s Ideological Echo Chamber and circulated it on Google’s internal network. The document was leaked to journalists, the nation’s CultMarxists threw a collective fit of hysteria, and Damore got the push.

The topic of the document was the representation of sexes in Google’s workforce. Damore came at the topic from an attitude of biological realism, buttressed with references to human-sciences literature. Some random samples:

  • “Google’s Left bias has created a politically correct monoculture that maintains its hold by shaming dissenters into silence.”
  • “I’m simply stating that the distribution of preferences and abilities of men and women differ in part due to biological causes and that these differences may explain why we don’t see equal representation of women in tech and leadership.”
  • “Women, on average, have more openness directed towards feelings and aesthetics rather than ideas.”
  • “Women on average show a higher interest in people and men in things.”
  • “In addition to the Left’s affinity for those it sees as weak, humans are generally biased towards protecting females.”
  • “The same compassion for those seen as weak creates political correctness, which constrains discourse and is complacent to the extremely sensitive PC-authoritarians that use violence and shaming to advance their cause.”

You can read the whole thing at its very own website, diversitymemo.com. Note the supporting hyperlinks—suppressed by Gizmodo when it published the memo, which it shamelessly then criticized for “lacking empirical support.”

The document closes with a list of constructive suggestions, among them, “De-moralize diversity … Stop alienating conservatives … Have an open and honest discussion about the costs and benefits of our diversity programs … Be open about the science of human nature …”

The document is all written in an earnest, reasonable tone. It actually came across to me as a bit cucky. Damore for example uses the CultMarx jargon term “gender” to mean “sex.” There are flashes of virtue-signalling: “I strongly believe in gender and racial diversity, and I think we should strive for more.”

None of that helped Damore at all. To the CultMarx mob, his document was Hate Speech and he is a loathsome bigot—Literally Hitler. The CultMarx websites and newspapers went into a full Two Minutes Hate. [Google’s sexist memo has provided the alt-right with a new martyr, by Owen Jones, Guardian, August 8, 2017, and Stop Equating “Science” With Truth | Evolutionary psychology is just the most obvious example of science’s flaws, by Chanda Prescod-Weinstein, Slate, August 8, 2017]

Those elements of cuckiness notwithstanding, I totally support James Damore. He’s a fellow spirit: an open-minded, curious empiricist who believes in an external world and thinks that by careful inquiry we can understand it. As he told us in his interview with Stefan Molyneux, “I really like understanding things.”

The ironies have been much noted. A guy writes a memo saying that women on average are more emotional than men; women respond by shrieking and fainting … and so on. Steve Sailer’s been covering the story very diligently.

The only thing I’d add, because I don’t think it’s gotten enough attention, is a grudging, qualified, very slightly sympathetic word on behalf of Google.

The context here is employment discrimination laws, especially federal ones. They are really driving this whole story; and of course the Trial Lawyers’ Association is driving them.

I’ve worked in big modern corporations and seen their Human Resources departments close up. They are under constant peril of discrimination lawsuits, which are bad for the company’s image and often very expensive.

As a Freedom of Association absolutist, I’d like to see all anti-discrimination laws repealed. They are nothing but a cash cow for the trial lawyers. Their effect on our economy, and on our social harmony, is entirely negative.

Joy Pullman has a very good article arguing this case over at The Federalist this week. Money quote:

Outcome equality is simply incompatible with procedural equality. If we apply the same rules equally to all people, we will get some disparate group outcomes, because people are different. We must therefore choose whether we want equality before the law or unequal preferences in an attempt to engineer outcome equality. Google, and liberals at large, attempt to have both, but the two are fundamentally incompatible, as Google is painfully discovering. It’s Time To End All Discrimination Policies And Restore Equal Protection, August 10, 2017

It follows from that, by the way, that while I embrace James Damore as a kindred spirit, I’m sorry to see that he is getting lawyered up over his dismissal.

Again: Freedom of Association absolutism is the rule at Radio Derb. Any employer should be able to fire anyone at any time for any reason, or for no reason at all. Being fired from a job should, in my opinion, be no more litigable than being dumped by a girlfriend … although I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that the trial-lawyer parasites are working on that one, too.

Sex equality: back to the Paleolithic

Before leaving the case of James Damore and Google, I can’t resist the opportunity for a little self-advertisement.

In Damore’s original memo, the one that started all the fuss and led to his firing, he included this little nugget of evolutionary psychology, quote:

Note that contrary to what a social constructionist would argue,research suggests that “greater nation-level gender equality leads to psychological dissimilarity in men’s and women’s personality traits.” Because as “society becomes more prosperous and more egalitarian, innate dispositional differences between men and women have more space to develop and the gap that exists between men and women in their personality becomes wider.”

My self-advertisement is a long quote from the sex chapter, Chapter Five, of my galaxy-sundering 2009 bestseller We Are Doomed:

Some human-science researchers are mulling over a theory that goes roughly as follows.

  • Before the rise of agriculture 10,000 or so years ago, when human beings lived in small hunter-gatherer groups, men and women treated each other in a fairly egalitarian sort of way, but innate male-female differences in traits like recklessness (more in men) and emotional responsiveness (more in women) were freely and fully expressed. Mating was based on straightforward mutual affection, constrained only by incest taboos and tribal solidarity, but complicated, no doubt often fatally, by love triangles. Then …
  • With agriculture came the higher-density, better-organized, hierarchical, and more constrained societies with which we are familiar. The sexes were less egalitarian in the way they treated each other. (Think of Chinese foot-binding.) On the other hand, paradoxically, innate male-female personality differences were squished down by all that social pressure: men constrained to be less reckless, women less emotional. Mating was way constrained: Think of the plots of Romeo and Juliet and La Traviata. The older, freer, wilder ways of mating lived on in myth and folk memory—think of the plot of Tristan und Isolde. Now …
  • Modern post-industrial society is taking us back to the Pleistocene. Once again we are egalitarian in our treatment of each other; but our inner Mars and Venus are freer to express themselves without restraint than in those laced-up millennia of agricultural-industrial patriarchy. (Think of the plot of Fatal Attraction.)

John Tierney, science editor of the New York Times, covered this theory in September 2008. He quoted David Schmitt of Bradley University: “Humanity’s jaunt into monotheism, agriculturally based economies and the monopolization of power and resources by a few men was ‘unnatural’ in many ways,” Dr. Schmitt says, alluding to evidence that hunter-gatherers were relatively egalitarian. “In some ways modern progressive cultures are returning us psychologically to our hunter-gatherer roots,” he argues. “That means high sociopolitical gender equality over all, but with men and women expressing predisposed interests in different domains. Removing the stresses of traditional agricultural societies could allow men’s, and to a lesser extent women’s, more ‘natural’ personality traits to emerge.”

I’d be amused, and flattered, to think that James Damore picked up that nugget from reading my book.

If that is indeed the case, James, mail your copy of We Are Doomed to me c/o VDARE.com, and I’ll inscribe it with an uplifting message for you.

Men fight, women gossip.

Finally, a bit of personal reminiscence, and kind of geeky, for which I apologize to non-geeks.

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In the Fall of 1969, after two years of school teaching, I realized I would never be any good at that line of work, and got myself a job as a computer programmer. My employer was Britain’s National Data Processing Service, the IT arm of the British Post Office, which for reasons it would take much too long to explain also controlled the country’s telephone system.

At that point, twenty years into the Computer Age, the bureaucrats had still not come up with job titles for programmers. My actual job title as a programmer—I swear I am not making this up—was Assistant Postal Controller, Grade II.

So if you have any trouble getting your mail delivered, drop me a line; I may be able to help.

Anyway, there I was 48 years ago in my first coding shop. A lot of my colleagues—I think it was at least half—were females. They had a reputation as being good programmers. Please note that this was long before Political Correctness or the “Diversity” rackets came up, before discrimination lawsuits. I don’t think Britain even had a Trial Lawyers Association in 1969.

The environment was one where, if you were good at your job, people respected you for it, regardless of sex; and if you were not good, people let you know, and unless you were ornery and looking for a fight, you sought other employment … as indeed I had.

Imagine that! Such a simple world!

I actually spent a lot of time pondering why these ladies were so good at coding. I came to some rough conclusions at last.

This was Assembler Language coding, which is very, very fiddly. To divide two numbers and get quotient and remainder, you had to write half a dozen instructions. You had to keep track of which registers you were using in the CPU, which addressing system this particular stretch of code was using, and so on. It was fiddly. “Coding down to the metal,” we used to call it.

Now, my mother was very keen on needlework. From childhood, I watched her stitching away at crochet and tapestry work. She claimed she could make lace, too, but “It’s too fiddly. All those bobbins!”

There was my clue. The coding these women were doing, Assembler Language coding, was like needlework. It needed endless precision, infinite patience.

One of the differences between men and women is that men are more easily bored. These lassies could peck and stitch at their code all day long, and stay after work to finish it. Me, by five p.m. I wanted to run out and break some glass somewhere.

But no, I’m not going to tell you that women are better at coding than men. Assembler Language coding was already, even then, giving way to high-level languages like FORTRAN and COBOL. Linear styles of program construction were yielding to modular programming, which then morphed into object-oriented programming—much more fluid and less fiddly than Assembler Language needlework.

There is still a feminine side to systems engineering. There are way, way more users now than there were in 1969, so more need for people skills in figuring out what the users want and the best way to give it to them.

Down in the code mills, though, it’s likely guys who are generating the neat ideas and pushing the projects forward.

Men fight, women gossip … while doing needlework.

No, of course, it’s not a straitjacket, and shouldn’t be. Back in the sixties here was a football player, a big beefy NFL star—I had forgotten his name, but Google (of course) supplied it—who boasted that when he wasn’t crashing into other big beefy players on the gridiron, he liked to relax with needlepoint.

Regardless, if I wanted some needlework done, NFL headquarters wouldn’t be my first call.

The variety of human types is infinite and fascinating. When a lot of us are thrown together, though—as in a company workforce—statistics take over. There are group differences—by race, by sex—and as the numbers mount up, they will show.

If you don’t have a good basic grasp of statistics, your opinions on things like this Google fuss will be ill-founded. Absolutely no offense intended to anyone.

(Republished from VDare by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Chrisj says:

    I also thought of Rosey Grier and his knitting when the gender flap at Google came along. He is a good example that group averages don’t determine individual cases, and that individual cases don’t negate the reality of group averages.
    By the way, Rosey was part of the Robert Kennedy campaign entourage and he is the one who tackled Sirhan Sirhan after the shooting.

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    Rosey was also part of the fearsome foursome.
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  2. One answer to diversity was also supplied by Rosey Greer, in the movie he did with Ray Milland, where the two of them shared one body via an extra head transplant. Now there’s your tech solution making the point, er, needlepoint.

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  3. Very intersting & insightful article. Agree with much of it — except:

    “Any employer should be able to fire anyone at any time for any reason, or for no reason at all. Being fired from a job should, in my opinion, be no more litigable than being dumped by a girlfriend …”

    This is a “libertarian” version of freedom & equality. Ignore entirely the power disequilibrium between these “equal” agents, employer/employee. Ignore the fact that the employer/employee relationship is a legal one from its very inception, unlike a girl/boy friend relationship (which may or may not take on a future legal dimension).

    The law intervenes in the employer/employee relationship, because it intervenes in ALL contractual relations. Not to, is to regress to a modern version of the “law of the jungle”.
    Of course, whether the Law should intervene more or less, is an entirely debatable point.

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    • Agree: SMK, Dissident
    • Replies: @SMK
    In American today and in the near and distant future as opposed to a society with a plethora of good jobs and labor shortages in nearly all states and communities, giving employers the right to fire "anyone at any time for any reason or not reason at all" would result in immiseration, poverty, homelessness, suicide, divorce, and the emasculation and debasement of males who'd be forced to stay home to take care of infants nad toddlers and clean toilets and mop floors and such while their wives work in offices and factories or as police and soldiers and guards in male prisons to support the family.

    Millions and ultimately tens of millions of people, especially white males, would be the victims of such a policy and often for "no reason at all."

    Such a policy is tantamount to giving jail and prison guards the arbitrary right and power to send inmates to the "hole" or to punish them in some other manner for "any reason or no reason at all" because their sadists who revel in cruelty or detest an inmate for whatever reason, however petty and unjust and irrational.

    At present, such a policy would give employers, mostly white males, the right and power to fire American citizens, especially white males, for "any reason or no reason at all" and replace them with legal and illegal aliens, further depressing wages and further enriches themselves.

    And in the future, a majority of employers and bosses will be non-white males ("Asians," Mestizos/Amerindians, blacks, Muslims) and females of all races. Imagine a society in which they have the arbitrary right and power to fire white males "for any reason or no reason at all!
    , @Kemerd
    I was to write about the same reply. The only thing I would add is that this kind of confusions of freedom exists only in the US, everywhere else the relationship is well understood by both parties as well as commentators.
    The only thing that separates an employee from a slave in the modern world is the employment laws that has been paid for by blood a significant part of it being American workers' blood yet such idiots still profess about freedom of contract incidentally the same argument used by British industrialists of victorian times who suggested that the child workers they employ use their freedom of contract thus there is no moral wrongdoing
    , @attilathehen
    You have to watch Derbyshire very closely because this man is a degenerate. He babbles very libertarian ideas but he is a Sinophile and philosemitic and would have them as overlords over Caucasians and the West.

    Derbyshire needs to have full disclosure when he writes articles. He is married to a Chinese woman and has Chinese offspring. He is compromised. These articles he writes are so strange because deep down he is not for the West and its peoples. Another example of this degeneracy is J.D. Vance who wrote "Hillbilly Elegy." He is married to an East Indian woman. Jim Webb, the Democratic great white hope politician, is married to a Vietnamese woman and has Vietnamese offspring. There is nothing Chinese/East Indian/Vietnamese about the West.

    Cherchez la femme/le homme when these "libertarians," "conservatives," write about saving the West and helping its peoples.

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  4. Goolag Search for Truth

    I can already tell the article is good reading, from the beginning. I will save it for after breakfast. Good morning, all.

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  5. Again: Freedom of Association absolutism is the rule at Radio Derb. Any employer should be able to fire anyone at any time for any reason, or for no reason at all. Being fired from a job should, in my opinion, be no more litigable than being dumped by a girlfriend …

    Sorry Derb. This is bullshit. Employees should have a contract with their employer spelling out the rights and responsibilities of both including what constitutes cause for firing. Firing me because I won’t suck your dick or because you are having a bad day is wrong.

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    • Agree: SMK
    • Replies: @David
    Like the Derb says, the liberals are the potty-mouthed.
    , @SMK
    I realize that JD's advocacy of such an extreme and iniquitous policy is wholly theoretical, like most fanciful, dogmatic libertarian theorizing. An America in which white males have the right and power to fire women of all races and nonwhite males "for any reason or no reason at all"! Given the zeitgeist, in a country in which the left controls almost everything, such a policy has as much chance of becoming law as a ban on Muslim and all other non-European immigration.
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  6. Freedom of Association absolutism is the rule at Radio Derb. Any employer should be able to fire anyone at any time for any reason, or for no reason at all. Being fired from a job should, in my opinion, be no more litigable than being dumped by a girlfriend … although I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that the trial-lawyer parasites are working on that one, too.

    What??! Libertarian thoughts from a conservative? Heavens-to-murgetroid (or Betsy, if that’s your thing)! Watch out, John Derbyshire, or they’ll be calling you a radical,
    liberal, fanatical, criminal … won’t you sign up your name, we’d like to feel you’re
    acceptable, respectable, presentable, a vegetable! Dig it, dig it, dig it, yeah….

    Hey, these guys are from your neck-o-the-woods, but their best stuff was “Breakfast in America”. (listen to “Child of Vision“, the last cut – great long fade-out instrumental!)

    PS. I like trial lawyers just as little as Mr. Derbyshire.

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  7. Ben Frank says:

    If you look at the WaPo comments about this the clear mainstream is “We don’t care what he said, stomp him!”

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  8. David says:
    @WorkingClass

    Again: Freedom of Association absolutism is the rule at Radio Derb. Any employer should be able to fire anyone at any time for any reason, or for no reason at all. Being fired from a job should, in my opinion, be no more litigable than being dumped by a girlfriend …
     
    Sorry Derb. This is bullshit. Employees should have a contract with their employer spelling out the rights and responsibilities of both including what constitutes cause for firing. Firing me because I won't suck your dick or because you are having a bad day is wrong.

    Like the Derb says, the liberals are the potty-mouthed.

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    What makes you think I'm a liberal?
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  9. @David
    Like the Derb says, the liberals are the potty-mouthed.

    What makes you think I’m a liberal?

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    I meant liberal as in someone eager to pass laws, someone who makes arguments about right and wrong without any nuance.

    There are some devils in the details of the contract you propose. Laws against things don't stop them from taking place. Many employers will be falsely accused. The institutions to enforce the laws have costs. And the costs grow as the court or agency becomes a liberal fiefdom itself.

    Employers being tyrannical is harmful but the costs of the State having a mandate to prevent it is greater than the relief gained.

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  10. Forgot to say, that was another good article, Mr. Derbyshire, though Steve Sailer has been all over this till there’s nothing more to say. I agree also that the guy’s memo sounded pretty cucked-out, but maybe he had a plan and was trying to be cautious about it.

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  11. So far I actually find the Google incident very encouraging. The guy got fired, but he has the truth on his side, he’s sticking to his guns, he’s getting support, and I think it’s making Google and the media look bad and putting pressure on them.

    I think this could embolden other white guys who are sick of being unfairly blamed and scapegoated for average group differences that they didn’t cause and can’t fix.

    I wonder if a similar incident involving race differences is next, and not far off. It’s a lot of the same arguments in the memo. I think it will be a lot harder though, for two reasons:

    1. Race differences are just a much more sensitive subject. At the end of the day, I think everybody knows that men and women are different and most people, including most women, don’t really think it’s a big deal. It’s really just the media and the activists that get hysterical about it. I think it was Gerald Ford that said there couldn’t be a war between the sexes because there’s too much fraternizing with the enemy.

    2. Sex differences are simply not scientifically controversial at all among researchers, and scientists are free to discuss and publish on this subject and have been doing so for years. So it’s easy in this case to draw on the authority of Steven Pinker types and just make it crystal clear that the media and activists are the ones who are ignorant and denialist about the facts.

    With race, I get the impression that while researchers probably do generally believe the biological differences are real and significant and there has been some discussion of it (e.g. Nicholas Wade), overall the consensus seems murkier and we can expect less public support because it will be much riskier for academic elites to speak up.

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    Not Gerald Ford, Henry Kissinger
    , @JW Bell
    Nobody has ever committed genocide because of sex differences. It happens often with race and ethnicity.
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  12. “Google’s Left bias has created a politically correct monoculture that maintains its hold by shaming dissenters into silence.”

    Langness traces millennial pathology to the boomers.

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  13. But see it this way.

    Google prefers to discuss sex than race. And this ‘sex scandal’ is good diversion from race issue.

    After all, Google will have better luck finding smart white/Asian/Jewish women than finding smart blacks of either sex. Easier to find Googirls than Negroogles or Googaz.

    Also, the gorks at Google want more women cuz they want girlfriends.

    Better girls than this:

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  14. I’ve been dropping little pieces of facts and advice on my 16 year old son.
    The last one was that women speak times the number of words that men do.
    Men don’t listen to women.

    You should assume that if you tell one woman something, you’ve told them all.

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    3 times.
    , @englishmike

    You should assume that if you tell one woman something, you’ve told them all.

     

    Or, as I once heard it explained: "To a woman, a secret is something you should only share with one other person"
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  15. @Bill Jones
    I've been dropping little pieces of facts and advice on my 16 year old son.
    The last one was that women speak times the number of words that men do.
    Men don't listen to women.

    You should assume that if you tell one woman something, you've told them all.

    3 times.

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  16. David says:
    @WorkingClass
    What makes you think I'm a liberal?

    I meant liberal as in someone eager to pass laws, someone who makes arguments about right and wrong without any nuance.

    There are some devils in the details of the contract you propose. Laws against things don’t stop them from taking place. Many employers will be falsely accused. The institutions to enforce the laws have costs. And the costs grow as the court or agency becomes a liberal fiefdom itself.

    Employers being tyrannical is harmful but the costs of the State having a mandate to prevent it is greater than the relief gained.

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    I see. I was a union man back in the day. Teamsters and IBEW. One of the reasons I liked union work was we had a contract with the employer. The contract took away all the tension between labor and management. If a man got fired it was because he broke the rules everybody had agreed to. The whole arrangement of course had to comply with labor law. An argument can be made that there should be no labor law. That the law of the jungle should prevail. You won't hear that argument however from an actual worker who is simply at his employers mercy in the absence of a contract.

    I'm a card carrying deplorable. I'm not liberal but neither am I Libertarian. It's the Libertarians and Republicans (not necessarily Conservatives) and beginning with Clinton, the Democrats, who think a lone wage earner vs. a multinational corporation is a fair fight. That's why I called bullshit.

    Thanks for your response.

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  17. @Bill Jones
    I've been dropping little pieces of facts and advice on my 16 year old son.
    The last one was that women speak times the number of words that men do.
    Men don't listen to women.

    You should assume that if you tell one woman something, you've told them all.

    You should assume that if you tell one woman something, you’ve told them all.

    Or, as I once heard it explained: “To a woman, a secret is something you should only share with one other person”

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    As a friend used to say, "Telephone, Telegraph, Tell a broad..." Not remotely PC but this was 30 years ago.
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  18. Numinous says:

    As a Freedom of Association absolutist, I’d like to see all anti-discrimination laws repealed.

    But not across borders?

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  19. @Loveofknowledge
    So far I actually find the Google incident very encouraging. The guy got fired, but he has the truth on his side, he's sticking to his guns, he's getting support, and I think it's making Google and the media look bad and putting pressure on them.

    I think this could embolden other white guys who are sick of being unfairly blamed and scapegoated for average group differences that they didn't cause and can't fix.

    I wonder if a similar incident involving race differences is next, and not far off. It's a lot of the same arguments in the memo. I think it will be a lot harder though, for two reasons:

    1. Race differences are just a much more sensitive subject. At the end of the day, I think everybody knows that men and women are different and most people, including most women, don't really think it's a big deal. It's really just the media and the activists that get hysterical about it. I think it was Gerald Ford that said there couldn't be a war between the sexes because there's too much fraternizing with the enemy.

    2. Sex differences are simply not scientifically controversial at all among researchers, and scientists are free to discuss and publish on this subject and have been doing so for years. So it's easy in this case to draw on the authority of Steven Pinker types and just make it crystal clear that the media and activists are the ones who are ignorant and denialist about the facts.

    With race, I get the impression that while researchers probably do generally believe the biological differences are real and significant and there has been some discussion of it (e.g. Nicholas Wade), overall the consensus seems murkier and we can expect less public support because it will be much riskier for academic elites to speak up.

    Not Gerald Ford, Henry Kissinger

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  20. @David
    I meant liberal as in someone eager to pass laws, someone who makes arguments about right and wrong without any nuance.

    There are some devils in the details of the contract you propose. Laws against things don't stop them from taking place. Many employers will be falsely accused. The institutions to enforce the laws have costs. And the costs grow as the court or agency becomes a liberal fiefdom itself.

    Employers being tyrannical is harmful but the costs of the State having a mandate to prevent it is greater than the relief gained.

    I see. I was a union man back in the day. Teamsters and IBEW. One of the reasons I liked union work was we had a contract with the employer. The contract took away all the tension between labor and management. If a man got fired it was because he broke the rules everybody had agreed to. The whole arrangement of course had to comply with labor law. An argument can be made that there should be no labor law. That the law of the jungle should prevail. You won’t hear that argument however from an actual worker who is simply at his employers mercy in the absence of a contract.

    I’m a card carrying deplorable. I’m not liberal but neither am I Libertarian. It’s the Libertarians and Republicans (not necessarily Conservatives) and beginning with Clinton, the Democrats, who think a lone wage earner vs. a multinational corporation is a fair fight. That’s why I called bullshit.

    Thanks for your response.

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    "The contract took away all the tension between labor and management."

    You've got to be kidding.
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  21. Hibernian says:
    @WorkingClass
    I see. I was a union man back in the day. Teamsters and IBEW. One of the reasons I liked union work was we had a contract with the employer. The contract took away all the tension between labor and management. If a man got fired it was because he broke the rules everybody had agreed to. The whole arrangement of course had to comply with labor law. An argument can be made that there should be no labor law. That the law of the jungle should prevail. You won't hear that argument however from an actual worker who is simply at his employers mercy in the absence of a contract.

    I'm a card carrying deplorable. I'm not liberal but neither am I Libertarian. It's the Libertarians and Republicans (not necessarily Conservatives) and beginning with Clinton, the Democrats, who think a lone wage earner vs. a multinational corporation is a fair fight. That's why I called bullshit.

    Thanks for your response.

    “The contract took away all the tension between labor and management.”

    You’ve got to be kidding.

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    WorkingClass is referring to the workers, and managers, involved in the actual work - not those involved in negotiating the contract between labor and management.
    , @WorkingClass
    When the contract expires the elected union officers will negotiate a new contract. This is conflict by definition and can result in a strike or a lock out. But neither the old nor the new contract will allow management to fire without cause. You don't have to worry about whether the boss likes you or not. The workplace rules are in writing. Do your job and Follow the rules and your job is secure.
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  22. Rosey Grier is a really interesting guy. He’s 85 and is running for Gov. of California next year (as a Republican).

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  23. SMK says: • Website
    @animalogic
    Very intersting & insightful article. Agree with much of it -- except:

    "Any employer should be able to fire anyone at any time for any reason, or for no reason at all. Being fired from a job should, in my opinion, be no more litigable than being dumped by a girlfriend …"

    This is a "libertarian" version of freedom & equality. Ignore entirely the power disequilibrium between these "equal" agents, employer/employee. Ignore the fact that the employer/employee relationship is a legal one from its very inception, unlike a girl/boy friend relationship (which may or may not take on a future legal dimension).

    The law intervenes in the employer/employee relationship, because it intervenes in ALL contractual relations. Not to, is to regress to a modern version of the "law of the jungle".
    Of course, whether the Law should intervene more or less, is an entirely debatable point.

    In American today and in the near and distant future as opposed to a society with a plethora of good jobs and labor shortages in nearly all states and communities, giving employers the right to fire “anyone at any time for any reason or not reason at all” would result in immiseration, poverty, homelessness, suicide, divorce, and the emasculation and debasement of males who’d be forced to stay home to take care of infants nad toddlers and clean toilets and mop floors and such while their wives work in offices and factories or as police and soldiers and guards in male prisons to support the family.

    Millions and ultimately tens of millions of people, especially white males, would be the victims of such a policy and often for “no reason at all.”

    Such a policy is tantamount to giving jail and prison guards the arbitrary right and power to send inmates to the “hole” or to punish them in some other manner for “any reason or no reason at all” because their sadists who revel in cruelty or detest an inmate for whatever reason, however petty and unjust and irrational.

    At present, such a policy would give employers, mostly white males, the right and power to fire American citizens, especially white males, for “any reason or no reason at all” and replace them with legal and illegal aliens, further depressing wages and further enriches themselves.

    And in the future, a majority of employers and bosses will be non-white males (“Asians,” Mestizos/Amerindians, blacks, Muslims) and females of all races. Imagine a society in which they have the arbitrary right and power to fire white males “for any reason or no reason at all!

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    100%, SMK.
    , @Marshall Lentini
    Buy land now.
    , @AnotherDad

    At present, such a policy would give employers, mostly white males, the right and power to fire American citizens, especially white males, for “any reason or no reason at all” and replace them with legal and illegal aliens, further depressing wages and further enriches themselves.
     
    Employers can effectively do this replacement anyway regardless of all the employment regulation. They sack whole divisions of Americans, outsource them, replace them with H1Bs, etc. They hire cheaper labor whenever they can get away with it.

    Your argument is entirely an argument against our open immigration policies, not employment at will.

    In the net the encroachment upon the natural right to hire and fire who you like, has not favored whites, men or white men. Employers after all need people who can get the job done. That in most cases is ... white guys. (That's why white guys are still employed.) Yeah, employers can get the job done with cheaper Mexicans in some cases (e.g. slaughterhouses). But for skilled labor--white guys. What employment regulation has done has given employment to lots of deadwood that white guys have to carry around with their labor, and made the work lives of white guys much more tedious--with "diversity" bullshit, and a general "watch yourself" atmosphere.
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  24. SMK says: • Website
    @WorkingClass

    Again: Freedom of Association absolutism is the rule at Radio Derb. Any employer should be able to fire anyone at any time for any reason, or for no reason at all. Being fired from a job should, in my opinion, be no more litigable than being dumped by a girlfriend …
     
    Sorry Derb. This is bullshit. Employees should have a contract with their employer spelling out the rights and responsibilities of both including what constitutes cause for firing. Firing me because I won't suck your dick or because you are having a bad day is wrong.

    I realize that JD’s advocacy of such an extreme and iniquitous policy is wholly theoretical, like most fanciful, dogmatic libertarian theorizing. An America in which white males have the right and power to fire women of all races and nonwhite males “for any reason or no reason at all”! Given the zeitgeist, in a country in which the left controls almost everything, such a policy has as much chance of becoming law as a ban on Muslim and all other non-European immigration.

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    I realize that JD’s advocacy of such an extreme and iniquitous policy is wholly theoretical, like most fanciful, dogmatic libertarian theorizing.
     
    Libertarians live in a fantasy world of their own making. They're cultists and they're crazier than marxists. Luckily no-one takes libertarians seriously.
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    I realize that JD’s advocacy of such an extreme and iniquitous policy is wholly theoretical, like most fanciful, dogmatic libertarian theorizing. An America in which white males have the right and power to fire women of all races and nonwhite males “for any reason or no reason at all”! Given the zeitgeist, in a country in which the left control almost everything, such a policy has as much chance of becoming law as a ban on Muslim and all other non-European immigration.

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  26. Men fight, women gossip.

    Listen to sports radio and see if you don’t think men gossip.

    As to women not fighting, they don’t grow long nails for nothing.

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  27. @englishmike

    You should assume that if you tell one woman something, you’ve told them all.

     

    Or, as I once heard it explained: "To a woman, a secret is something you should only share with one other person"

    As a friend used to say, “Telephone, Telegraph, Tell a broad…” Not remotely PC but this was 30 years ago.

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  28. @SMK
    In American today and in the near and distant future as opposed to a society with a plethora of good jobs and labor shortages in nearly all states and communities, giving employers the right to fire "anyone at any time for any reason or not reason at all" would result in immiseration, poverty, homelessness, suicide, divorce, and the emasculation and debasement of males who'd be forced to stay home to take care of infants nad toddlers and clean toilets and mop floors and such while their wives work in offices and factories or as police and soldiers and guards in male prisons to support the family.

    Millions and ultimately tens of millions of people, especially white males, would be the victims of such a policy and often for "no reason at all."

    Such a policy is tantamount to giving jail and prison guards the arbitrary right and power to send inmates to the "hole" or to punish them in some other manner for "any reason or no reason at all" because their sadists who revel in cruelty or detest an inmate for whatever reason, however petty and unjust and irrational.

    At present, such a policy would give employers, mostly white males, the right and power to fire American citizens, especially white males, for "any reason or no reason at all" and replace them with legal and illegal aliens, further depressing wages and further enriches themselves.

    And in the future, a majority of employers and bosses will be non-white males ("Asians," Mestizos/Amerindians, blacks, Muslims) and females of all races. Imagine a society in which they have the arbitrary right and power to fire white males "for any reason or no reason at all!

    100%, SMK.

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  29. Is Charlie Rose the John McCain of TV interview shows?

    Why won’t he invite Roger Waters on the program?

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  30. The name of NFL star Rosie Grier, a huge genial man who was a celebrity for quite awhile, comes up at various unexpected points in history.

    In June 1968, he wrestled RFK’s assassin Sirhan Sirhan to the ground while writer George Plimpton and/or Olympian Rafer Johnson grabbed his gun.

    After football, he became a minister. In that capacity he visited O.J. Simpson in jail. A jail guard reported that he overheard an overwrought O.J. confessing the murder to Rev. Rosie:

    http://www.ocregister.com/2013/11/13/deputy-heard-oj-simpson-confess-maybe/

    But Judge Ito didn’t allow the guard to testify to what he heard OJ say to Rosie.

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    Rosie Grier had a recurring role on Kojack that I liked. He would ham it up as bounty hunter Salathiel Harms.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    Hi Steve

    I'm addressing this to you - as well as JD and Ron - in the expectation that you might be able to post and dissectthe article in The Economist which bils itself as what James Damore ought to have said as well as criticising him.

    My three articles a week have been used and I wouldn't like to commit myself to The Economiat by paying.....

    I don't need to tell you where my sympathies lie :-)
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  31. anon says: • Disclaimer

    What do you say to a woman with 2 black eyes?

    Nothing- you’ve already told her twice.

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  32. JW Bell says:
    @Loveofknowledge
    So far I actually find the Google incident very encouraging. The guy got fired, but he has the truth on his side, he's sticking to his guns, he's getting support, and I think it's making Google and the media look bad and putting pressure on them.

    I think this could embolden other white guys who are sick of being unfairly blamed and scapegoated for average group differences that they didn't cause and can't fix.

    I wonder if a similar incident involving race differences is next, and not far off. It's a lot of the same arguments in the memo. I think it will be a lot harder though, for two reasons:

    1. Race differences are just a much more sensitive subject. At the end of the day, I think everybody knows that men and women are different and most people, including most women, don't really think it's a big deal. It's really just the media and the activists that get hysterical about it. I think it was Gerald Ford that said there couldn't be a war between the sexes because there's too much fraternizing with the enemy.

    2. Sex differences are simply not scientifically controversial at all among researchers, and scientists are free to discuss and publish on this subject and have been doing so for years. So it's easy in this case to draw on the authority of Steven Pinker types and just make it crystal clear that the media and activists are the ones who are ignorant and denialist about the facts.

    With race, I get the impression that while researchers probably do generally believe the biological differences are real and significant and there has been some discussion of it (e.g. Nicholas Wade), overall the consensus seems murkier and we can expect less public support because it will be much riskier for academic elites to speak up.

    Nobody has ever committed genocide because of sex differences. It happens often with race and ethnicity.

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  33. El Dato says:

    There was my clue. The coding these women were doing, Assembler Language coding, was like needlework. It needed endless precision, infinite patience.

    Some quick comments here, as the word “coding” seems to encompass different activities. There should be a distinction between design, “encoding” and evidently testing of machine-executable artifacts.

    Today, there is strong overlap between design and encoding, as high-level programming languages and design tools allow you to more naturally express your ideas and generate exectuable artifacts. You do not have to code in assembler directly, or, God forbid, enter the artifact’s bit pattern at the console. So you can write things like, say, this (FizzBuzz problem in Java) or even this (FizzBuzz problem in Prolog) as opposed to this (FizzBuzz in IBM 360 assembler). Yes, “coders” today mostly really eat quiche. And so do I.

    So, if the women were “coding in assembler”, they were probably translating high-level operations handed in by the design team (i.e. flowcharts and possibly data structure diagrams), whereas “coding” today has shifted its meaning to “designing while also being aware of how to handle the next lower level of detail”.

    I agree that the former is a lot like knitting. The ladies were performing what would be regarded as repetitive though technically demanding tasks. Like this mechanical assembly for the Apollo 11 computer.

    Back when I wrote floating-point operations in assembler (for exercise) for NS 320xx, the fun part was the design. Several pages of paper with boxes, arrows and bit patterns on it. Typing the code in was a tad mechanical. The resulting neat instructions appealed to the eye, though they had “low meaning density”, pages and pages of aligned text for rather mundane stuff, most of it housekeeping. Debugging this “least expressive form of telling the machine how to twiddle a thumb” was hell but the rush when it finally passed all tests was worth it. Sadly, for people typing up the code from boxes, only the “tad mechanical” part would remain.

    One of the differences between men and women is that men are more easily bored. These lassies could peck and stitch at their code all day long, and stay after work to finish it. Me, by five p.m. I wanted to run out and break some glass somewhere.

    Not sure about this. Indeed, if you “code/design” some complex stuff you get into some kind of mental daze (aka “flow”) from which it may actually be difficult to break out. Hence, you will find disgusting pizza and caffeinated beverage on-desk and leave office at oh-dark-thirty, then feel lousy about it. I haven’t ever seen a lady who went that far.

    Rambling on, “coding” (at least in “business”, i.e. in non-sciency, non-engineering scenarios) today consists in a large part in wiring up preexisting chunks of functionality (aka. “libraries” and “framworks”), getting data in/out of the relational database, checking that user access control is implemented correctly, checking that the interface is understable to outside customers or the people in management / HR / accounting (they see the machine as a black box that shall fulfill their wishes, even if badly expressed), then adding a few slivers of “business logic” (you know, computing annuities etc.) and finally performing never-ending debugging, adaptations, extensions, performance tweaks and attending-of-meetings.

    These applications are not terrifyingly hard to do and are mainly subject to organizational problems. Sadly due to ever-changing fads, bad skillsets, ignorance of basic computer science, underinvestment in training, the presence of converta-programmers who formerly were taxi drivers and extremely lousy “management” practices bordering on contempt for the technical underpinnings of the company, the results are still often less than stellar. But that’s another problem entirely.

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    Thanks for your thoughtful comment. One of the best looks at coding that I have seen during the whole Damore kerfuffle. One comment on:

    Not sure about this. Indeed, if you “code/design” some complex stuff you get into some kind of mental daze (aka “flow”) from which it may actually be difficult to break out. Hence, you will find disgusting pizza and caffeinated beverage on-desk and leave office at oh-dark-thirty, then feel lousy about it. I haven’t ever seen a lady who went that far.
     
    I think your comment more validates rather than counters the boredom point. I think the difference is that women are more able to push through the boring parts, but men are more likely to end up in an obsessive flow state when interested.

    What do you think about that assertion?
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  34. Nick363 says:

    Unlike with physical traits, people don’t yet understand enough about the human brain to say whether gender differences are caused by environment, or biology, or both.

    This is pure speculation, without any basis in any published scientific studies.

    Normally, speculation is okay, when it’s just speculation and nothing else. But speculation about human biology has a long history of being used to justify sexism, slavery, racial discrimination, and the Nazi Holocaust.

    That’s why it’s so upsetting for many people.

    Re-opening old wounds and re-starting an old conflict is bound to cause a lot of controversy. And it’s this historical context that virtually everybody seems to be missing here.

    My suggestion for both sides in this controversy is to read a little more history and find out what it was like to be on the receiving end of biological speculation in the past for women, for blacks, for Asians, and for Jews in Nazi Germany.

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    Unlike with physical traits, people don’t yet understand enough about the human brain to say whether gender differences are caused by environment, or biology, or both.
    This is pure speculation, without any basis in any published scientific studies.
     
    Um, no. One way to look at this is to do studies in multiple environments. For example:

    Gender Differences in Personality and Interests: When, Where, and Why?

    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1751-9004.2010.00320.x/abstract

    gender differences on the people–things dimension of interests are ‘very large’ (d = 1.18), with women more people-oriented and less thing-oriented than men.
     

    The results of the three cross-cultural studies discussed earlier are reasonably consistent. Both Costa et al. (2001) and Schmitt et al. (2008) reported that gender differences in personality traits were larger in ‘modern,’ individualistic, gender-egalitarian societies, and smaller in ‘traditional,’ collectivistic, gender-inegalitarian societies. Schmitt et al. (2008) further found that cross-nation variations in sex differences resulted more from variations in men’s than women’s trait levels. Lippa’s (2010) cross-cultural results were less consistent. The one personality trait that showed systematic cross-cultural variation in gender differences (agreeableness) conformed to the patterns revealed by the other two crosscultural studies – i.e., larger differences in gender-egalitarian than in gender-nonegalitarian countries. The other traits (extraversion, neuroticism, and people-versus-thing orientation) showed gender differences that were stable across countries and unrelated to national indices of gender equality and economic development.
     
    Though not definitive this certainly rises above pure speculation and demonstrates that your statement is the worst kind of speculation--the simply wrong kind.

    Your advice on reading history is good. I would similarly advise people who want to comment on what the research literature says to spend some time actually taking a good hard look at that literature. And not just the people and papers that say what they want to hear.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    Such nonsense. Been om the receiving end, but crying about it is pointless. Differences exist and aren't a bad thing.
    , @James N. Kennett
    Coders tend to have particular Myers-Briggs personality types. Those types are not distributed equally between the sexes: about 75% are men, 25% are women.

    James Damore expressed the influence of personality (without the percentage figures) but in a slightly different way - for example, he used the term "neuroticism", which is one of the personality traits in the "Big Five" classification, an alternative to Myers-Briggs.

    Anyone who is unaware that "neuroticism" is a jargon term used by psychologists, and that Damore was using the word in that sense, will immediately freak out: "WHAT? You're telling me that women are neurotic, you male chauvinist pig?"

    There are other minor ways in which Damore could have expressed his ideas more agreeably; but to insist on perfection is part of the tyranny of the Ideological Echo Chamber. Even when expressing valid and reasonable ideas, any critic of the status quo is expected to walk a tightrope of precision, inoffensiveness, and deference - one slip and you're dead. The same constraint does not apply to those who hold the Megaphone, who can say whatever they please as long as it does not challenge the Narrative. For example, the precise reason given by Google for firing Damore was unimportant - as long as he was actually fired, and the Narrative was preserved.

    , @grapesoda
    Funny how allegations of "sexism," whatever that means, only go in one direction.

    If everyone else is just going to put their own demographic group first (ie women, non-whites, etc.) then white men are going to do that too. Why play the game of life with one hand tied behind one's back?
    , @Jeff77450
    "Unlike with physical traits, people don’t yet understand enough about the human brain to say whether gender differences are caused by environment, or biology, or both."

    I'm not a scientist of any sort but I encourage you to watch these two videos:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mc9VV2NN8FA female developer's view on Norwegian Gender Paradox, 5 minutes

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5LRdW8xw70 The gender equality paradox, 39 minutes
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  35. @Hibernian
    "The contract took away all the tension between labor and management."

    You've got to be kidding.

    WorkingClass is referring to the workers, and managers, involved in the actual work – not those involved in negotiating the contract between labor and management.

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    My comment stands. Sure the contract probably resolves a lot of bones of contention, but certainly not all of them perfectly. Not anywhere near. And I was once was a union member myself.
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  36. res says:
    @Nick363
    Unlike with physical traits, people don't yet understand enough about the human brain to say whether gender differences are caused by environment, or biology, or both.

    This is pure speculation, without any basis in any published scientific studies.

    Normally, speculation is okay, when it's just speculation and nothing else. But speculation about human biology has a long history of being used to justify sexism, slavery, racial discrimination, and the Nazi Holocaust.

    That's why it's so upsetting for many people.

    Re-opening old wounds and re-starting an old conflict is bound to cause a lot of controversy. And it's this historical context that virtually everybody seems to be missing here.

    My suggestion for both sides in this controversy is to read a little more history and find out what it was like to be on the receiving end of biological speculation in the past for women, for blacks, for Asians, and for Jews in Nazi Germany.

    Unlike with physical traits, people don’t yet understand enough about the human brain to say whether gender differences are caused by environment, or biology, or both.
    This is pure speculation, without any basis in any published scientific studies.

    Um, no. One way to look at this is to do studies in multiple environments. For example:

    Gender Differences in Personality and Interests: When, Where, and Why?

    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1751-9004.2010.00320.x/abstract

    gender differences on the people–things dimension of interests are ‘very large’ (d = 1.18), with women more people-oriented and less thing-oriented than men.

    The results of the three cross-cultural studies discussed earlier are reasonably consistent. Both Costa et al. (2001) and Schmitt et al. (2008) reported that gender differences in personality traits were larger in ‘modern,’ individualistic, gender-egalitarian societies, and smaller in ‘traditional,’ collectivistic, gender-inegalitarian societies. Schmitt et al. (2008) further found that cross-nation variations in sex differences resulted more from variations in men’s than women’s trait levels. Lippa’s (2010) cross-cultural results were less consistent. The one personality trait that showed systematic cross-cultural variation in gender differences (agreeableness) conformed to the patterns revealed by the other two crosscultural studies – i.e., larger differences in gender-egalitarian than in gender-nonegalitarian countries. The other traits (extraversion, neuroticism, and people-versus-thing orientation) showed gender differences that were stable across countries and unrelated to national indices of gender equality and economic development.

    Though not definitive this certainly rises above pure speculation and demonstrates that your statement is the worst kind of speculation–the simply wrong kind.

    Your advice on reading history is good. I would similarly advise people who want to comment on what the research literature says to spend some time actually taking a good hard look at that literature. And not just the people and papers that say what they want to hear.

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    Cross-cultural studies isn't biology. Because this doesn't deal at all with the mechanism of how the brain works and how it can develop under different influences.

    Without any understanding of the mechanism, it's just pure correlation and speculation, rather than real science.

    It's like using correlation studies to compare various computers, without any understanding of their software and hardware. This is such primitive understanding that it has little or no value in understanding of what's going on.

    This is pseudo-science rather than real science. Because it uses correlations rather than experiments according to the Scientific Method.

    Perhaps conducting experiments on people might be unethical and not viable to do. But then you just have to admit that you don't know, rather resort to some Voodo pseudo-science and pretend that you know.

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  37. res says:
    @El Dato

    There was my clue. The coding these women were doing, Assembler Language coding, was like needlework. It needed endless precision, infinite patience.
     
    Some quick comments here, as the word "coding" seems to encompass different activities. There should be a distinction between design, "encoding" and evidently testing of machine-executable artifacts.

    Today, there is strong overlap between design and encoding, as high-level programming languages and design tools allow you to more naturally express your ideas and generate exectuable artifacts. You do not have to code in assembler directly, or, God forbid, enter the artifact's bit pattern at the console. So you can write things like, say, this (FizzBuzz problem in Java) or even this (FizzBuzz problem in Prolog) as opposed to this (FizzBuzz in IBM 360 assembler). Yes, "coders" today mostly really eat quiche. And so do I.

    So, if the women were "coding in assembler", they were probably translating high-level operations handed in by the design team (i.e. flowcharts and possibly data structure diagrams), whereas "coding" today has shifted its meaning to "designing while also being aware of how to handle the next lower level of detail".

    I agree that the former is a lot like knitting. The ladies were performing what would be regarded as repetitive though technically demanding tasks. Like this mechanical assembly for the Apollo 11 computer.

    Back when I wrote floating-point operations in assembler (for exercise) for NS 320xx, the fun part was the design. Several pages of paper with boxes, arrows and bit patterns on it. Typing the code in was a tad mechanical. The resulting neat instructions appealed to the eye, though they had "low meaning density", pages and pages of aligned text for rather mundane stuff, most of it housekeeping. Debugging this "least expressive form of telling the machine how to twiddle a thumb" was hell but the rush when it finally passed all tests was worth it. Sadly, for people typing up the code from boxes, only the "tad mechanical" part would remain.


    One of the differences between men and women is that men are more easily bored. These lassies could peck and stitch at their code all day long, and stay after work to finish it. Me, by five p.m. I wanted to run out and break some glass somewhere.

     

    Not sure about this. Indeed, if you "code/design" some complex stuff you get into some kind of mental daze (aka "flow") from which it may actually be difficult to break out. Hence, you will find disgusting pizza and caffeinated beverage on-desk and leave office at oh-dark-thirty, then feel lousy about it. I haven't ever seen a lady who went that far.

    Rambling on, "coding" (at least in "business", i.e. in non-sciency, non-engineering scenarios) today consists in a large part in wiring up preexisting chunks of functionality (aka. "libraries" and "framworks"), getting data in/out of the relational database, checking that user access control is implemented correctly, checking that the interface is understable to outside customers or the people in management / HR / accounting (they see the machine as a black box that shall fulfill their wishes, even if badly expressed), then adding a few slivers of "business logic" (you know, computing annuities etc.) and finally performing never-ending debugging, adaptations, extensions, performance tweaks and attending-of-meetings.

    These applications are not terrifyingly hard to do and are mainly subject to organizational problems. Sadly due to ever-changing fads, bad skillsets, ignorance of basic computer science, underinvestment in training, the presence of converta-programmers who formerly were taxi drivers and extremely lousy "management" practices bordering on contempt for the technical underpinnings of the company, the results are still often less than stellar. But that's another problem entirely.
     

    Thanks for your thoughtful comment. One of the best looks at coding that I have seen during the whole Damore kerfuffle. One comment on:

    Not sure about this. Indeed, if you “code/design” some complex stuff you get into some kind of mental daze (aka “flow”) from which it may actually be difficult to break out. Hence, you will find disgusting pizza and caffeinated beverage on-desk and leave office at oh-dark-thirty, then feel lousy about it. I haven’t ever seen a lady who went that far.

    I think your comment more validates rather than counters the boredom point. I think the difference is that women are more able to push through the boring parts, but men are more likely to end up in an obsessive flow state when interested.

    What do you think about that assertion?

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    It's more like the ache of finishing a difficult puzzle; men love puzzles! Cracking it quickly, achieving the end result, is the raison detre so speak. Afterwards, it's cigarette time. Females look at this process totally differently, not unlike sexual etiquette––Oops! Probably just committed a foul.
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  38. Again: Freedom of Association absolutism is the rule at Radio Derb. Any employer should be able to fire anyone at any time for any reason, or for no reason at all. Being fired from a job should, in my opinion, be no more litigable than being dumped by a girlfriend …

    Maybe that’s why they call it “wage slavery,” which is a concept that ought to be much better understood than it apparently is.

    There’s something drastically wrong with a society full of people who require wages to earn a living. One of the most loathsome situations I ever experienced was having to punch a time card while having to answer to some damned moronic fool, but I’m thankful for the experience since it taught me what not to do. Most of my extended family have flipped a big bird to the concept as well.

    Having a job should not be equated with earning a living.

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    So, Bernie, you have a problem with the concept of working for a living.

    Nice excuse for the lazy to take from the productive.
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  39. mngwa says:

    It’s simply weird, but not the way Americans get it. My political inclination is leftwards as (almost) someone can get, yet (not only me, but the quite big majority of the leftists on this planet) would agree with James Damore, and simply astonished to contemplate (yet again) Americans can have such a distorted view. No communist (or anarchist for that matter) and especially no Marxist in his/her right mind would attempt even for a second to equate people (of whatever distinction, be it sex or else) in such a way. We have always asked and struggled and will do so as long as this atavistic need (inherited from our ancestors before the rising of class differentiation) for the equality of opportunity, yet we do not want a bit of not such calamity. Those who ask for it outside of Anglo-Saxon sphere are quite few and almost exclusively heavily influenced by this viewpoint, one way or another. And such deviance between Anglo-Saxon (primarily American) standpoint and others (the huge majority of the world) exist not only in politics, but also regarding other cultures’ (yes, they exist) perceptions and viewpoints on Earth. I have to say this is not sole misconception you have, for just one example: I am Caucasian from either sides geographically speaking and ethnically from maternal side. I have been enormously surprised he first time I heard Americans use this ethno-geographical term for people with white skin and in order to differentiate those from people with other skin shades (not colors, shades). Furthermore, I am deeply nauseated when I understood the meaning of true racism which is nothing more an attempt to demonize and diminish other people on the basis of their differences with respect to look/belief/culture etc. in order to readily exploit them. Many so-called (I say so, because they have much less African culture inherited from their ethnic and/or cultural forefathers than say American and even European sources, whether willingly or unwillingly) Afro-Americans can easily pass as whites in my country. (NB: I have to admit that my culture, while originally had no such misconceptions, nowadays have many of them even if most of them are slight and have always tend rather to favor fairer skin with respect to beauty perception, and yet a beautiful person can overcome this prejudice, particularly if he/she is intelligent and have a good character. ) Furthermore, the term “black” is also irrelevant, giving the fact that even Africans can have various shades of skin: most frequently dark brown, and than in descending order of frequency light brown, coal black, reddish pitch black (most akin to eggplant), bluish pitch black, (and for Sans and Hottentos) golden /yellowish brown.

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    Is this a parody of left-wing/"cultMarx" mumbo jumbo/jabberwocky?
    , @Kemerd
    Yes, indeed. I think the main reason the so called left in the US tinker with such ridiculous notions as gender equality when referring to everything else but equality in opportunity is that they purposefully avoid the actual hotpoint for left such as class struggle, the exploitation of working class by the elites, the evils of their own government, etc.

    When I see an American refer to Marx, and especially when they mean it as slender, I smile as I am quite sure that they even don't read the communist manifesto unlike most other commentators who tend to have a lot wider range in their reading list and certainty the actual works of Marx. I think that is also the reason that such primitive notions as libertarianism can still have some footing in the US while it is dismissed outright by almost everyone in elsewhere
    , @Anonymous
    TL;DR: "Some of us who still don't have enough experience living with the shitskins are desperately clinging to the multicultural fairytales..."

    Did you ever wonder why a multi-culti society breeds resentments and racism on all sides? Did you see Sweden transforming from a safe, prosperous, 99% white, high-trust society to a rape/grenade capital of Europe with 61+ no-go zones and no future?
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  40. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    It follows from that, by the way, that while I embrace James Damore as a kindred spirit, I’m sorry to see that he is getting lawyered up over his dismissal.

    Why? Not only is Google putting political pressure on their employees but they’re doing it to the users of their monopolised services. Any semblance of democracy, free-speech rights and personal or national sovereignty will disappear if we allow multinationals to put us in the box.

    Google’s management is not forced to do what they’re doing by the globalist forces – they are a willing, significant player in that game.

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    Leveraging victimhood, the modern American ethos.

    He may also somersault his way into reproductive success thanks to this, as Giovanni Dannato points out.

    Hence the pretty boy profile pic. While you're on here praising him, he's sorting through at least a couple dozen females doing so on Facebook.

    "You're so brave!"

    Always, everywhere, ask how it benefits you directly.
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  41. It follows from that, by the way, that while I embrace James Damore as a kindred spirit, I’m sorry to see that he is getting lawyered up over his dismissal.

    Damore ‘lawyered up’ because he filed a complaint with the (state?) labor board over his employer’s political advocacy at mandatory employee meetings.

    Labor boards are another subject entirely, about which I generally have mixed feelings, but see a need for them in many contexts. Given Goggle’s monopoly in many areas, I can accept that the state’s power may be needed to redress wrongs such as Damore’s complaint.

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    Given Goggle’s monopoly in many areas, I can accept that the state’s power may be needed to redress wrongs such as Damore’s complaint.
     
    And this is where Trump must get his shit together. If he can't cleanse, harness and employ the most powerful nation's government apparatus to challenge this subversive, supranational power centre - he's fucked - and we're all staring at WW3.
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  42. Nick363 says:
    @res

    Unlike with physical traits, people don’t yet understand enough about the human brain to say whether gender differences are caused by environment, or biology, or both.
    This is pure speculation, without any basis in any published scientific studies.
     
    Um, no. One way to look at this is to do studies in multiple environments. For example:

    Gender Differences in Personality and Interests: When, Where, and Why?

    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1751-9004.2010.00320.x/abstract

    gender differences on the people–things dimension of interests are ‘very large’ (d = 1.18), with women more people-oriented and less thing-oriented than men.
     

    The results of the three cross-cultural studies discussed earlier are reasonably consistent. Both Costa et al. (2001) and Schmitt et al. (2008) reported that gender differences in personality traits were larger in ‘modern,’ individualistic, gender-egalitarian societies, and smaller in ‘traditional,’ collectivistic, gender-inegalitarian societies. Schmitt et al. (2008) further found that cross-nation variations in sex differences resulted more from variations in men’s than women’s trait levels. Lippa’s (2010) cross-cultural results were less consistent. The one personality trait that showed systematic cross-cultural variation in gender differences (agreeableness) conformed to the patterns revealed by the other two crosscultural studies – i.e., larger differences in gender-egalitarian than in gender-nonegalitarian countries. The other traits (extraversion, neuroticism, and people-versus-thing orientation) showed gender differences that were stable across countries and unrelated to national indices of gender equality and economic development.
     
    Though not definitive this certainly rises above pure speculation and demonstrates that your statement is the worst kind of speculation--the simply wrong kind.

    Your advice on reading history is good. I would similarly advise people who want to comment on what the research literature says to spend some time actually taking a good hard look at that literature. And not just the people and papers that say what they want to hear.

    Cross-cultural studies isn’t biology. Because this doesn’t deal at all with the mechanism of how the brain works and how it can develop under different influences.

    Without any understanding of the mechanism, it’s just pure correlation and speculation, rather than real science.

    It’s like using correlation studies to compare various computers, without any understanding of their software and hardware. This is such primitive understanding that it has little or no value in understanding of what’s going on.

    This is pseudo-science rather than real science. Because it uses correlations rather than experiments according to the Scientific Method.

    Perhaps conducting experiments on people might be unethical and not viable to do. But then you just have to admit that you don’t know, rather resort to some Voodo pseudo-science and pretend that you know.

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    Cross-cultural studies isn’t biology.
     
    Cross cultural studies demonstrate that the effect exists across a variety of environments. Please pay attention to the words I used: "Though not definitive this certainly rises above pure speculation and demonstrates that your statement is the worst kind of speculation--the simply wrong kind. "

    Seeing that an effect exists consistently across cultures (i.e. different environments) is an indicator that it is probably not just due to environment. Most likely biology plays a role.

    Get over it. Your "everyone is just alike biologically" ideology is a fantasy.

    I'm curious, what exactly is your scientific background? Statements like these sound more like religion than science to me:
    "Without any understanding of the mechanism, it’s just pure correlation and speculation, rather than real science."
    "This is pseudo-science rather than real science. Because it uses correlations rather than experiments according to the Scientific Method."
    "But then you just have to admit that you don’t know, rather resort to some Voodo pseudo-science and pretend that you know."
    , @res
    If you are actually interested in possible mechanisms (i.e. aren't just spewing FUD) this link is worth a look: http://infoproc.blogspot.com/2017/08/meanwhile-down-on-farm.html

    The Spring 2017 issue of the Stanford Medical School magazine has a special theme: Sex, Gender, and Medicine. I recommend the article excerpted below to journalists covering the Google Manifesto / James Damore firing. After reading it, they can decide for themselves whether his memo is based on established neuroscience or bro-pseudoscience.

    Perhaps top Google executives will want to head down the road to Stanford for a refresher course in reality.
     
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  43. @SMK
    In American today and in the near and distant future as opposed to a society with a plethora of good jobs and labor shortages in nearly all states and communities, giving employers the right to fire "anyone at any time for any reason or not reason at all" would result in immiseration, poverty, homelessness, suicide, divorce, and the emasculation and debasement of males who'd be forced to stay home to take care of infants nad toddlers and clean toilets and mop floors and such while their wives work in offices and factories or as police and soldiers and guards in male prisons to support the family.

    Millions and ultimately tens of millions of people, especially white males, would be the victims of such a policy and often for "no reason at all."

    Such a policy is tantamount to giving jail and prison guards the arbitrary right and power to send inmates to the "hole" or to punish them in some other manner for "any reason or no reason at all" because their sadists who revel in cruelty or detest an inmate for whatever reason, however petty and unjust and irrational.

    At present, such a policy would give employers, mostly white males, the right and power to fire American citizens, especially white males, for "any reason or no reason at all" and replace them with legal and illegal aliens, further depressing wages and further enriches themselves.

    And in the future, a majority of employers and bosses will be non-white males ("Asians," Mestizos/Amerindians, blacks, Muslims) and females of all races. Imagine a society in which they have the arbitrary right and power to fire white males "for any reason or no reason at all!

    Buy land now.

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  44. res says:
    @Nick363
    Cross-cultural studies isn't biology. Because this doesn't deal at all with the mechanism of how the brain works and how it can develop under different influences.

    Without any understanding of the mechanism, it's just pure correlation and speculation, rather than real science.

    It's like using correlation studies to compare various computers, without any understanding of their software and hardware. This is such primitive understanding that it has little or no value in understanding of what's going on.

    This is pseudo-science rather than real science. Because it uses correlations rather than experiments according to the Scientific Method.

    Perhaps conducting experiments on people might be unethical and not viable to do. But then you just have to admit that you don't know, rather resort to some Voodo pseudo-science and pretend that you know.

    Cross-cultural studies isn’t biology.

    Cross cultural studies demonstrate that the effect exists across a variety of environments. Please pay attention to the words I used: “Though not definitive this certainly rises above pure speculation and demonstrates that your statement is the worst kind of speculation–the simply wrong kind. ”

    Seeing that an effect exists consistently across cultures (i.e. different environments) is an indicator that it is probably not just due to environment. Most likely biology plays a role.

    Get over it. Your “everyone is just alike biologically” ideology is a fantasy.

    I’m curious, what exactly is your scientific background? Statements like these sound more like religion than science to me:
    “Without any understanding of the mechanism, it’s just pure correlation and speculation, rather than real science.”
    “This is pseudo-science rather than real science. Because it uses correlations rather than experiments according to the Scientific Method.”
    “But then you just have to admit that you don’t know, rather resort to some Voodo pseudo-science and pretend that you know.”

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    Indeed, chimpanzees have over 98% human DNA, but ....

    The average IQs in some African countries are below what US courts determine to be mentally capable to stand trial.

    Of course stupid people don't like science, it reveals what they are.

    You won't see hordes of 'immigrants' trying to establish residence in low IQ countries, regions.

    , @lavoisier
    Your argument is straightforward and valid. This idea that there is no scientific evidence showing a biological basis to human behavioral differences is absurd. The data is coming out all the time.

    Those who insist that all human beings are biologically the same, and that the differences between people and groups of people are culturally determined, are fools by any other name.

    This marxist fiction is a sickness embraced far too readily without any evidence by the fools on the left.
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  45. @Anonymous

    It follows from that, by the way, that while I embrace James Damore as a kindred spirit, I’m sorry to see that he is getting lawyered up over his dismissal.
     
    Why? Not only is Google putting political pressure on their employees but they're doing it to the users of their monopolised services. Any semblance of democracy, free-speech rights and personal or national sovereignty will disappear if we allow multinationals to put us in the box.

    Google's management is not forced to do what they're doing by the globalist forces - they are a willing, significant player in that game.

    Leveraging victimhood, the modern American ethos.

    He may also somersault his way into reproductive success thanks to this, as Giovanni Dannato points out.

    Hence the pretty boy profile pic. While you’re on here praising him, he’s sorting through at least a couple dozen females doing so on Facebook.

    “You’re so brave!”

    Always, everywhere, ask how it benefits you directly.

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    That's all speculative, my friend. Frankly, I'm not sure you understand how Internet works nowadays. You didn't provide any evidence or reason (important stuff) so all I'm left with to work with is:

    he’s sorting through at least a couple dozen females doing so on Facebook
     
    Ugh.

    Always, everywhere, ask how it benefits you directly.
     
    You're a sociopath, right?
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  46. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @hooodathunkit

    It follows from that, by the way, that while I embrace James Damore as a kindred spirit, I’m sorry to see that he is getting lawyered up over his dismissal.
     
    Damore 'lawyered up' because he filed a complaint with the (state?) labor board over his employer's political advocacy at mandatory employee meetings.

    Labor boards are another subject entirely, about which I generally have mixed feelings, but see a need for them in many contexts. Given Goggle's monopoly in many areas, I can accept that the state's power may be needed to redress wrongs such as Damore's complaint.

    Given Goggle’s monopoly in many areas, I can accept that the state’s power may be needed to redress wrongs such as Damore’s complaint.

    And this is where Trump must get his shit together. If he can’t cleanse, harness and employ the most powerful nation’s government apparatus to challenge this subversive, supranational power centre – he’s fucked – and we’re all staring at WW3.

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  47. Wally says:
    @jacques sheete

    Again: Freedom of Association absolutism is the rule at Radio Derb. Any employer should be able to fire anyone at any time for any reason, or for no reason at all. Being fired from a job should, in my opinion, be no more litigable than being dumped by a girlfriend …
     
    Maybe that's why they call it "wage slavery," which is a concept that ought to be much better understood than it apparently is.

    There's something drastically wrong with a society full of people who require wages to earn a living. One of the most loathsome situations I ever experienced was having to punch a time card while having to answer to some damned moronic fool, but I'm thankful for the experience since it taught me what not to do. Most of my extended family have flipped a big bird to the concept as well.

    Having a job should not be equated with earning a living.

    So, Bernie, you have a problem with the concept of working for a living.

    Nice excuse for the lazy to take from the productive.

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    So, Bernie, you have a problem with the concept of working for a living.
     
    Not by a long shot.

    How you got that from my comment is beyond reason since I specifically mentioned earning a living.

    Wage (and salary) slavery are for uncreative people who can't think for themselves, who don't know any better, and couldn't do any better if their life depended on it. Mass schooling attempts to train people to subject themselves to the degrading efforts. Masses of people looking to a boss for a paycheck is yet another sign of a degenerate society.

    Wear your chains proudly! Or get a clue from what's being said in comment #51. ;)

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  48. @Hibernian
    "The contract took away all the tension between labor and management."

    You've got to be kidding.

    When the contract expires the elected union officers will negotiate a new contract. This is conflict by definition and can result in a strike or a lock out. But neither the old nor the new contract will allow management to fire without cause. You don’t have to worry about whether the boss likes you or not. The workplace rules are in writing. Do your job and Follow the rules and your job is secure.

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  49. Wally says:
    @res

    Cross-cultural studies isn’t biology.
     
    Cross cultural studies demonstrate that the effect exists across a variety of environments. Please pay attention to the words I used: "Though not definitive this certainly rises above pure speculation and demonstrates that your statement is the worst kind of speculation--the simply wrong kind. "

    Seeing that an effect exists consistently across cultures (i.e. different environments) is an indicator that it is probably not just due to environment. Most likely biology plays a role.

    Get over it. Your "everyone is just alike biologically" ideology is a fantasy.

    I'm curious, what exactly is your scientific background? Statements like these sound more like religion than science to me:
    "Without any understanding of the mechanism, it’s just pure correlation and speculation, rather than real science."
    "This is pseudo-science rather than real science. Because it uses correlations rather than experiments according to the Scientific Method."
    "But then you just have to admit that you don’t know, rather resort to some Voodo pseudo-science and pretend that you know."

    Indeed, chimpanzees have over 98% human DNA, but ….

    The average IQs in some African countries are below what US courts determine to be mentally capable to stand trial.

    Of course stupid people don’t like science, it reveals what they are.

    You won’t see hordes of ‘immigrants’ trying to establish residence in low IQ countries, regions.

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  50. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Marshall Lentini
    Leveraging victimhood, the modern American ethos.

    He may also somersault his way into reproductive success thanks to this, as Giovanni Dannato points out.

    Hence the pretty boy profile pic. While you're on here praising him, he's sorting through at least a couple dozen females doing so on Facebook.

    "You're so brave!"

    Always, everywhere, ask how it benefits you directly.

    That’s all speculative, my friend. Frankly, I’m not sure you understand how Internet works nowadays. You didn’t provide any evidence or reason (important stuff) so all I’m left with to work with is:

    he’s sorting through at least a couple dozen females doing so on Facebook

    Ugh.

    Always, everywhere, ask how it benefits you directly.

    You’re a sociopath, right?

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    Nope. Just a poor shmuck with nothing to lose, and no reason to pretend.

    It isn't speculation that he is attempting to leverage his dismissal. It is, in fact, one of the only remaining methods of getting ahead in this society.

    Big out of court settlement? book deal? alt right-friendly startup? all that and more? Makes no diff: none of us really gains by it.

    At some point the disenfranchised have to stop pretending that symbolic value is real value.
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  51. Teachers never tells students about the real reasons for treating genders differently. Keeping women in the home and out of the marketplace economy has proven over thousands of years to be a distinct survival advantage for those that follow this practice. This is why this was ubiquitous until very recently. Europeans and Americans do not know about this, because they have been literate for such a very short time compared with those in the Middle East, Persia, India, and China. All trade and usury based economies rise and fall, rise and fall with surprising frequency; it never last for all that long before destruction and crash come again. If you keep half the work force out of that trade-dependent economy, if women are kept strictly in the home, then their gardens and small flocks, dried fruits and stored foods are still there when the economy stops. People who live in large, extended families with women in the home along with the very old and young — these groups survive over many centuries.

    The Americans and Europeans expect to push on forever with their raging economy based on continually growing trade and wildly inflated currencies. They honestly think that they are going to carry on without interruption forever. Basing their systems on self-evident truth instead of practical experienced gleaned over several millennia of experience in the real world, they expect to push on until they control the entire universe from childless, gender neutral starships, which in the movies always have secular Jews as pilots. Religious Jews, like religious Christians and Muslims, students of Confucius and those who understand history — these folks know better.

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    People who live in large, extended families with women in the home along with the very old and young — these groups survive over many centuries.
     
    Thank you. This is profound. This is conservatism that I could subscribe to.
    , @jacques sheete
    Thanks for contributing your comment. I've long admired cultures that do as you describe, and feel very fortunate to have married into one.

    I view the fragmentation of the extended family as a tragedy and one that seems to have been engineered by the usual money centered grubs. It appears to me as one example of why our 'Merkin society is sick beyond redemption.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    Almost total BS. "Europeans and Americans don't know about this etc." Almost every express and implied assertion is total crap as is the reasoning. Too much rubbish to deal with but pray tell how Greek and Calabrian farmers are unaware of how large rural families lived. Nor did my literate great grandparents fail to leave letters and diaries from which a great many people have learned how the typical pre birth control family lived.

    If you want a shred of credibility please follow up with your researches on the extent of literacy over the ages and its relevance to your thesis.
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  52. @Anonymous
    That's all speculative, my friend. Frankly, I'm not sure you understand how Internet works nowadays. You didn't provide any evidence or reason (important stuff) so all I'm left with to work with is:

    he’s sorting through at least a couple dozen females doing so on Facebook
     
    Ugh.

    Always, everywhere, ask how it benefits you directly.
     
    You're a sociopath, right?

    Nope. Just a poor shmuck with nothing to lose, and no reason to pretend.

    It isn’t speculation that he is attempting to leverage his dismissal. It is, in fact, one of the only remaining methods of getting ahead in this society.

    Big out of court settlement? book deal? alt right-friendly startup? all that and more? Makes no diff: none of us really gains by it.

    At some point the disenfranchised have to stop pretending that symbolic value is real value.

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  53. They are free to fire him, but not to libel him. I am betti g on a libel suit, settled out of court for undisclosed terms and no admission of wrongdoing.

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  54. Even inthe US, would not Gizmodo’s defamation supported by suppression of his hyperlinks give Damore a lucrative libel case?

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  55. @Nick363
    Unlike with physical traits, people don't yet understand enough about the human brain to say whether gender differences are caused by environment, or biology, or both.

    This is pure speculation, without any basis in any published scientific studies.

    Normally, speculation is okay, when it's just speculation and nothing else. But speculation about human biology has a long history of being used to justify sexism, slavery, racial discrimination, and the Nazi Holocaust.

    That's why it's so upsetting for many people.

    Re-opening old wounds and re-starting an old conflict is bound to cause a lot of controversy. And it's this historical context that virtually everybody seems to be missing here.

    My suggestion for both sides in this controversy is to read a little more history and find out what it was like to be on the receiving end of biological speculation in the past for women, for blacks, for Asians, and for Jews in Nazi Germany.

    Such nonsense. Been om the receiving end, but crying about it is pointless. Differences exist and aren’t a bad thing.

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  56. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Random thought: If “gender equality” were indeed factual, why would there be any need for transexualism? Why would Boy A NEED to become Girl A with full government and medical support, plus the enthusiastic backing of society as a whole. They’re the same, no? They are build of common attributes. Girl A would not feel anything Boy A would not feel. Someone wants it both ways.

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    You're using the word "gender" as if it were synonymous with "sex." "Sex" connotes maleness/femaleness; "gender"connotes masculine/feminine. Thus Bruce Jenner was a "woman in a man's body." Feminist don't deny the reality of maleness and femaleness. They argue that men and women and boys and girls are exactly the same apart from the inescapable differences in anatomy; that "gender" (masculine/feminine) as opposed to sex (male/female) is an "artificial social construct."
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  57. @SMK
    In American today and in the near and distant future as opposed to a society with a plethora of good jobs and labor shortages in nearly all states and communities, giving employers the right to fire "anyone at any time for any reason or not reason at all" would result in immiseration, poverty, homelessness, suicide, divorce, and the emasculation and debasement of males who'd be forced to stay home to take care of infants nad toddlers and clean toilets and mop floors and such while their wives work in offices and factories or as police and soldiers and guards in male prisons to support the family.

    Millions and ultimately tens of millions of people, especially white males, would be the victims of such a policy and often for "no reason at all."

    Such a policy is tantamount to giving jail and prison guards the arbitrary right and power to send inmates to the "hole" or to punish them in some other manner for "any reason or no reason at all" because their sadists who revel in cruelty or detest an inmate for whatever reason, however petty and unjust and irrational.

    At present, such a policy would give employers, mostly white males, the right and power to fire American citizens, especially white males, for "any reason or no reason at all" and replace them with legal and illegal aliens, further depressing wages and further enriches themselves.

    And in the future, a majority of employers and bosses will be non-white males ("Asians," Mestizos/Amerindians, blacks, Muslims) and females of all races. Imagine a society in which they have the arbitrary right and power to fire white males "for any reason or no reason at all!

    At present, such a policy would give employers, mostly white males, the right and power to fire American citizens, especially white males, for “any reason or no reason at all” and replace them with legal and illegal aliens, further depressing wages and further enriches themselves.

    Employers can effectively do this replacement anyway regardless of all the employment regulation. They sack whole divisions of Americans, outsource them, replace them with H1Bs, etc. They hire cheaper labor whenever they can get away with it.

    Your argument is entirely an argument against our open immigration policies, not employment at will.

    In the net the encroachment upon the natural right to hire and fire who you like, has not favored whites, men or white men. Employers after all need people who can get the job done. That in most cases is … white guys. (That’s why white guys are still employed.) Yeah, employers can get the job done with cheaper Mexicans in some cases (e.g. slaughterhouses). But for skilled labor–white guys. What employment regulation has done has given employment to lots of deadwood that white guys have to carry around with their labor, and made the work lives of white guys much more tedious–with “diversity” bullshit, and a general “watch yourself” atmosphere.

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  58. @Wally
    So, Bernie, you have a problem with the concept of working for a living.

    Nice excuse for the lazy to take from the productive.

    So, Bernie, you have a problem with the concept of working for a living.

    Not by a long shot.

    How you got that from my comment is beyond reason since I specifically mentioned earning a living.

    Wage (and salary) slavery are for uncreative people who can’t think for themselves, who don’t know any better, and couldn’t do any better if their life depended on it. Mass schooling attempts to train people to subject themselves to the degrading efforts. Masses of people looking to a boss for a paycheck is yet another sign of a degenerate society.

    Wear your chains proudly! Or get a clue from what’s being said in comment #51. ;)

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  59. @Leslie Jacobs
    Teachers never tells students about the real reasons for treating genders differently. Keeping women in the home and out of the marketplace economy has proven over thousands of years to be a distinct survival advantage for those that follow this practice. This is why this was ubiquitous until very recently. Europeans and Americans do not know about this, because they have been literate for such a very short time compared with those in the Middle East, Persia, India, and China. All trade and usury based economies rise and fall, rise and fall with surprising frequency; it never last for all that long before destruction and crash come again. If you keep half the work force out of that trade-dependent economy, if women are kept strictly in the home, then their gardens and small flocks, dried fruits and stored foods are still there when the economy stops. People who live in large, extended families with women in the home along with the very old and young -- these groups survive over many centuries.

    The Americans and Europeans expect to push on forever with their raging economy based on continually growing trade and wildly inflated currencies. They honestly think that they are going to carry on without interruption forever. Basing their systems on self-evident truth instead of practical experienced gleaned over several millennia of experience in the real world, they expect to push on until they control the entire universe from childless, gender neutral starships, which in the movies always have secular Jews as pilots. Religious Jews, like religious Christians and Muslims, students of Confucius and those who understand history -- these folks know better.

    People who live in large, extended families with women in the home along with the very old and young — these groups survive over many centuries.

    Thank you. This is profound. This is conservatism that I could subscribe to.

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  60. I have always thought the solution to female issues should be quite simple. Instead of taking issue with men over how the toilet seat should be left and such, women should adopt a single approach: pay.

    Now call me a cynic but my guess would be that Google don’t pay the same to women as they do to men. So they take the high ground as their PR might have instructed.

    My question to Google would be, and easy for them to answer with their famed data mining skills would be “what is the remuneration that women get compared to male employees adjusted to reflect the percentage of women Vs men in the company?”.

    My guess is that male employees earn far more, but let’s forget that and sack someone who expresses an opinion which differs from the party line. Will Google answer that question. I would be fascinated to know.

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  61. software developers are the ‘performing monkeys’ of tech. Straight from sucking their mothers tits to the workplace, with a couple
    disappointing sexual experiences along the way, they believe themselves to be fonts of intellectual knowledge on human gender psychology, I have seen it a million times, thats why we employ our developers remotely so we dont have to have to listen to their high minded sanctimonius trash talk.
    This guy was so typically true to form, I cant believe google employ hand-shandy’s like him,an utter twat who wasnt being paid for his opinions buy thought he should share them all the same.

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    Wow, shocking a leftist wants to silence any criticism of their views. What are your other sock puppets on this board one-post HR lady?
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  62. Kemerd says:
    @animalogic
    Very intersting & insightful article. Agree with much of it -- except:

    "Any employer should be able to fire anyone at any time for any reason, or for no reason at all. Being fired from a job should, in my opinion, be no more litigable than being dumped by a girlfriend …"

    This is a "libertarian" version of freedom & equality. Ignore entirely the power disequilibrium between these "equal" agents, employer/employee. Ignore the fact that the employer/employee relationship is a legal one from its very inception, unlike a girl/boy friend relationship (which may or may not take on a future legal dimension).

    The law intervenes in the employer/employee relationship, because it intervenes in ALL contractual relations. Not to, is to regress to a modern version of the "law of the jungle".
    Of course, whether the Law should intervene more or less, is an entirely debatable point.

    I was to write about the same reply. The only thing I would add is that this kind of confusions of freedom exists only in the US, everywhere else the relationship is well understood by both parties as well as commentators.
    The only thing that separates an employee from a slave in the modern world is the employment laws that has been paid for by blood a significant part of it being American workers’ blood yet such idiots still profess about freedom of contract incidentally the same argument used by British industrialists of victorian times who suggested that the child workers they employ use their freedom of contract thus there is no moral wrongdoing

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    I was unaware of "British industrialists of Victorian times" making arguments that employment of children was OK because they were exercising freedom of contract. Can you please provide the references which support that. (I do recall reading the evidence of a biscuit manufacturer in the 1880s to a parliamentary committee that he didn't thinl he was employing any 12 year olds bur that a lot of parents were keen to have them in a warm place where they would also be fed.

    Your statement about the diffeence between an employee and a slave in the modern world being the employment laws ("rigjt to work" laws????) is astonishing and quite wrong. A slave by law or just coercion is effectively property owned by someone who can determine the location and use of that property. That was not and is not negated by the "employment laws" you refer to which actually limit the parties freedom of contract.
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  63. SMK says: • Website
    @Anonymous
    Random thought: If "gender equality" were indeed factual, why would there be any need for transexualism? Why would Boy A NEED to become Girl A with full government and medical support, plus the enthusiastic backing of society as a whole. They're the same, no? They are build of common attributes. Girl A would not feel anything Boy A would not feel. Someone wants it both ways.

    You’re using the word “gender” as if it were synonymous with “sex.” “Sex” connotes maleness/femaleness; “gender”connotes masculine/feminine. Thus Bruce Jenner was a “woman in a man’s body.” Feminist don’t deny the reality of maleness and femaleness. They argue that men and women and boys and girls are exactly the same apart from the inescapable differences in anatomy; that “gender” (masculine/feminine) as opposed to sex (male/female) is an “artificial social construct.”

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    It would seem to follow that a non surgical social reconstruction would be the sensible, conservative and not least economical way to go.
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  64. SMK says: • Website
    @mngwa
    It's simply weird, but not the way Americans get it. My political inclination is leftwards as (almost) someone can get, yet (not only me, but the quite big majority of the leftists on this planet) would agree with James Damore, and simply astonished to contemplate (yet again) Americans can have such a distorted view. No communist (or anarchist for that matter) and especially no Marxist in his/her right mind would attempt even for a second to equate people (of whatever distinction, be it sex or else) in such a way. We have always asked and struggled and will do so as long as this atavistic need (inherited from our ancestors before the rising of class differentiation) for the equality of opportunity, yet we do not want a bit of not such calamity. Those who ask for it outside of Anglo-Saxon sphere are quite few and almost exclusively heavily influenced by this viewpoint, one way or another. And such deviance between Anglo-Saxon (primarily American) standpoint and others (the huge majority of the world) exist not only in politics, but also regarding other cultures' (yes, they exist) perceptions and viewpoints on Earth. I have to say this is not sole misconception you have, for just one example: I am Caucasian from either sides geographically speaking and ethnically from maternal side. I have been enormously surprised he first time I heard Americans use this ethno-geographical term for people with white skin and in order to differentiate those from people with other skin shades (not colors, shades). Furthermore, I am deeply nauseated when I understood the meaning of true racism which is nothing more an attempt to demonize and diminish other people on the basis of their differences with respect to look/belief/culture etc. in order to readily exploit them. Many so-called (I say so, because they have much less African culture inherited from their ethnic and/or cultural forefathers than say American and even European sources, whether willingly or unwillingly) Afro-Americans can easily pass as whites in my country. (NB: I have to admit that my culture, while originally had no such misconceptions, nowadays have many of them even if most of them are slight and have always tend rather to favor fairer skin with respect to beauty perception, and yet a beautiful person can overcome this prejudice, particularly if he/she is intelligent and have a good character. ) Furthermore, the term "black" is also irrelevant, giving the fact that even Africans can have various shades of skin: most frequently dark brown, and than in descending order of frequency light brown, coal black, reddish pitch black (most akin to eggplant), bluish pitch black, (and for Sans and Hottentos) golden /yellowish brown.

    Is this a parody of left-wing/”cultMarx” mumbo jumbo/jabberwocky?

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  65. @animalogic
    Very intersting & insightful article. Agree with much of it -- except:

    "Any employer should be able to fire anyone at any time for any reason, or for no reason at all. Being fired from a job should, in my opinion, be no more litigable than being dumped by a girlfriend …"

    This is a "libertarian" version of freedom & equality. Ignore entirely the power disequilibrium between these "equal" agents, employer/employee. Ignore the fact that the employer/employee relationship is a legal one from its very inception, unlike a girl/boy friend relationship (which may or may not take on a future legal dimension).

    The law intervenes in the employer/employee relationship, because it intervenes in ALL contractual relations. Not to, is to regress to a modern version of the "law of the jungle".
    Of course, whether the Law should intervene more or less, is an entirely debatable point.

    You have to watch Derbyshire very closely because this man is a degenerate. He babbles very libertarian ideas but he is a Sinophile and philosemitic and would have them as overlords over Caucasians and the West.

    Derbyshire needs to have full disclosure when he writes articles. He is married to a Chinese woman and has Chinese offspring. He is compromised. These articles he writes are so strange because deep down he is not for the West and its peoples. Another example of this degeneracy is J.D. Vance who wrote “Hillbilly Elegy.” He is married to an East Indian woman. Jim Webb, the Democratic great white hope politician, is married to a Vietnamese woman and has Vietnamese offspring. There is nothing Chinese/East Indian/Vietnamese about the West.

    Cherchez la femme/le homme when these “libertarians,” “conservatives,” write about saving the West and helping its peoples.

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    Leftard troll.
    , @Alfred Buono
    Ths guy "AtillatheHen" is a dysfunctional half-Asian troll who makes rounds on alt-right websites leaving disinformative red herrings to try and dissuade everyone from doing the #1 thing that bothers him the most: non-Asian men marrying Asian women. His motivations are sexual jealousy and a nagging feeling of inferiority.
    , @Logan
    Very odd response, dude. The Derb has never tried in the least to hide his yellow fever. Wander over to his website and it's loaded with family pictures and stories. His very attractive children have entirely obviously grown up completely assimilated.

    He and the lovely Mrs. have been married for over 30 years now.

    If I remember correctly, his son is now serving in the US military.

    May his tribe prosper and increase.
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  66. Clyde says:
    @Steve Sailer
    The name of NFL star Rosie Grier, a huge genial man who was a celebrity for quite awhile, comes up at various unexpected points in history.

    In June 1968, he wrestled RFK's assassin Sirhan Sirhan to the ground while writer George Plimpton and/or Olympian Rafer Johnson grabbed his gun.

    After football, he became a minister. In that capacity he visited O.J. Simpson in jail. A jail guard reported that he overheard an overwrought O.J. confessing the murder to Rev. Rosie:

    http://www.ocregister.com/2013/11/13/deputy-heard-oj-simpson-confess-maybe/

    But Judge Ito didn't allow the guard to testify to what he heard OJ say to Rosie.

    Rosie Grier had a recurring role on Kojack that I liked. He would ham it up as bounty hunter Salathiel Harms.

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  67. Eagle Eye says:
    @attilathehen
    You have to watch Derbyshire very closely because this man is a degenerate. He babbles very libertarian ideas but he is a Sinophile and philosemitic and would have them as overlords over Caucasians and the West.

    Derbyshire needs to have full disclosure when he writes articles. He is married to a Chinese woman and has Chinese offspring. He is compromised. These articles he writes are so strange because deep down he is not for the West and its peoples. Another example of this degeneracy is J.D. Vance who wrote "Hillbilly Elegy." He is married to an East Indian woman. Jim Webb, the Democratic great white hope politician, is married to a Vietnamese woman and has Vietnamese offspring. There is nothing Chinese/East Indian/Vietnamese about the West.

    Cherchez la femme/le homme when these "libertarians," "conservatives," write about saving the West and helping its peoples.

    Leftard troll.

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    Eagle Eye, are you a Caucasian male? Do you have a slant-eyed yellow brown woman at your side? Are you Jewish?
    , @Truth
    LMAO! How is there anything "left" at all about a white person wanting to preserve racial identity? I thought that's what this whole Charlottesville thing was about.
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  68. @Leslie Jacobs
    Teachers never tells students about the real reasons for treating genders differently. Keeping women in the home and out of the marketplace economy has proven over thousands of years to be a distinct survival advantage for those that follow this practice. This is why this was ubiquitous until very recently. Europeans and Americans do not know about this, because they have been literate for such a very short time compared with those in the Middle East, Persia, India, and China. All trade and usury based economies rise and fall, rise and fall with surprising frequency; it never last for all that long before destruction and crash come again. If you keep half the work force out of that trade-dependent economy, if women are kept strictly in the home, then their gardens and small flocks, dried fruits and stored foods are still there when the economy stops. People who live in large, extended families with women in the home along with the very old and young -- these groups survive over many centuries.

    The Americans and Europeans expect to push on forever with their raging economy based on continually growing trade and wildly inflated currencies. They honestly think that they are going to carry on without interruption forever. Basing their systems on self-evident truth instead of practical experienced gleaned over several millennia of experience in the real world, they expect to push on until they control the entire universe from childless, gender neutral starships, which in the movies always have secular Jews as pilots. Religious Jews, like religious Christians and Muslims, students of Confucius and those who understand history -- these folks know better.

    Thanks for contributing your comment. I’ve long admired cultures that do as you describe, and feel very fortunate to have married into one.

    I view the fragmentation of the extended family as a tragedy and one that seems to have been engineered by the usual money centered grubs. It appears to me as one example of why our ‘Merkin society is sick beyond redemption.

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    It's worth noting that the American conception of the "nuclear family" (so beloved by brain-dead conservatives) is essentially a liberal, individualistic construct, not surprisingly easily isolated and cut-off from larger and stronger social bonds (e.g. the extended family and community). The atomistic individual become the atomistic family unit, with no connection to a larger society, or indeed even biology or reality. That "family value" conservatives still don't get how they play right into the hands of liberals is not too surprising.
    , @dfordoom

    I view the fragmentation of the extended family as a tragedy and one that seems to have been engineered by the usual money centered grubs
     
    Capitalism is inherently anti-family. Look at the people who fund all the feminist, LGBTwhatever, open borders nonsense. Rich capitalists. Capitalism is not conservative.
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  69. @jacques sheete
    Thanks for contributing your comment. I've long admired cultures that do as you describe, and feel very fortunate to have married into one.

    I view the fragmentation of the extended family as a tragedy and one that seems to have been engineered by the usual money centered grubs. It appears to me as one example of why our 'Merkin society is sick beyond redemption.

    It’s worth noting that the American conception of the “nuclear family” (so beloved by brain-dead conservatives) is essentially a liberal, individualistic construct, not surprisingly easily isolated and cut-off from larger and stronger social bonds (e.g. the extended family and community). The atomistic individual become the atomistic family unit, with no connection to a larger society, or indeed even biology or reality. That “family value” conservatives still don’t get how they play right into the hands of liberals is not too surprising.

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    Have a look at Iraq, Pakistan etc if you want to see the extended family in action. It's called tribalism. And it doesn't help much that you maintain solidarity and family property by cousin marriage that has negative effects on IQ.
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  70. @SMK
    You're using the word "gender" as if it were synonymous with "sex." "Sex" connotes maleness/femaleness; "gender"connotes masculine/feminine. Thus Bruce Jenner was a "woman in a man's body." Feminist don't deny the reality of maleness and femaleness. They argue that men and women and boys and girls are exactly the same apart from the inescapable differences in anatomy; that "gender" (masculine/feminine) as opposed to sex (male/female) is an "artificial social construct."

    It would seem to follow that a non surgical social reconstruction would be the sensible, conservative and not least economical way to go.

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  71. @attilathehen
    You have to watch Derbyshire very closely because this man is a degenerate. He babbles very libertarian ideas but he is a Sinophile and philosemitic and would have them as overlords over Caucasians and the West.

    Derbyshire needs to have full disclosure when he writes articles. He is married to a Chinese woman and has Chinese offspring. He is compromised. These articles he writes are so strange because deep down he is not for the West and its peoples. Another example of this degeneracy is J.D. Vance who wrote "Hillbilly Elegy." He is married to an East Indian woman. Jim Webb, the Democratic great white hope politician, is married to a Vietnamese woman and has Vietnamese offspring. There is nothing Chinese/East Indian/Vietnamese about the West.

    Cherchez la femme/le homme when these "libertarians," "conservatives," write about saving the West and helping its peoples.

    Ths guy “AtillatheHen” is a dysfunctional half-Asian troll who makes rounds on alt-right websites leaving disinformative red herrings to try and dissuade everyone from doing the #1 thing that bothers him the most: non-Asian men marrying Asian women. His motivations are sexual jealousy and a nagging feeling of inferiority.

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    He is in fact right about Derb being a philo-Semite, and hence utterly confused and unreliable.
    , @Truth
    That's great Bro. I had always thought I was the only "live and let live" type here...

    https://i2.wp.com/wp.africansuntimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/sealheidiND_468x5942.jpg
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  72. @Nick363
    Unlike with physical traits, people don't yet understand enough about the human brain to say whether gender differences are caused by environment, or biology, or both.

    This is pure speculation, without any basis in any published scientific studies.

    Normally, speculation is okay, when it's just speculation and nothing else. But speculation about human biology has a long history of being used to justify sexism, slavery, racial discrimination, and the Nazi Holocaust.

    That's why it's so upsetting for many people.

    Re-opening old wounds and re-starting an old conflict is bound to cause a lot of controversy. And it's this historical context that virtually everybody seems to be missing here.

    My suggestion for both sides in this controversy is to read a little more history and find out what it was like to be on the receiving end of biological speculation in the past for women, for blacks, for Asians, and for Jews in Nazi Germany.

    Coders tend to have particular Myers-Briggs personality types. Those types are not distributed equally between the sexes: about 75% are men, 25% are women.

    James Damore expressed the influence of personality (without the percentage figures) but in a slightly different way – for example, he used the term “neuroticism”, which is one of the personality traits in the “Big Five” classification, an alternative to Myers-Briggs.

    Anyone who is unaware that “neuroticism” is a jargon term used by psychologists, and that Damore was using the word in that sense, will immediately freak out: “WHAT? You’re telling me that women are neurotic, you male chauvinist pig?”

    There are other minor ways in which Damore could have expressed his ideas more agreeably; but to insist on perfection is part of the tyranny of the Ideological Echo Chamber. Even when expressing valid and reasonable ideas, any critic of the status quo is expected to walk a tightrope of precision, inoffensiveness, and deference – one slip and you’re dead. The same constraint does not apply to those who hold the Megaphone, who can say whatever they please as long as it does not challenge the Narrative. For example, the precise reason given by Google for firing Damore was unimportant – as long as he was actually fired, and the Narrative was preserved.

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    Thanks for your thoughtful comment. Do you have a good reference relating to MBTI types and programming? Here are some I saw.

    The top comment on this quora question has a good informal look at programmer "types": https://www.quora.com/Do-most-good-programmers-have-a-certain-type-of-personality-Or-is-their-personality-independent-of-their-programming-skill

    This seems like a decent anecdotal MBTI/programmers discussion: http://personalitycafe.com/myers-briggs-forum/961458-personality-types-best-computer-programming.html
    And a poll (INTP and INTJ dominate): http://personalitycafe.com/member-polls/174350-mbti-type-most-likely-enjoy-programming.html

    Regarding Damore's memo I wish he had deemphasized neuroticism and talked more about the people-things preference difference. I think the latter is better both because it represents more a preference (modifiable by choice) than a trait AND the sex differences are larger (a Cohen's d greater than 1).

    Your last paragraph is spot on. Well said.
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  73. @Kemerd
    I was to write about the same reply. The only thing I would add is that this kind of confusions of freedom exists only in the US, everywhere else the relationship is well understood by both parties as well as commentators.
    The only thing that separates an employee from a slave in the modern world is the employment laws that has been paid for by blood a significant part of it being American workers' blood yet such idiots still profess about freedom of contract incidentally the same argument used by British industrialists of victorian times who suggested that the child workers they employ use their freedom of contract thus there is no moral wrongdoing

    I was unaware of “British industrialists of Victorian times” making arguments that employment of children was OK because they were exercising freedom of contract. Can you please provide the references which support that. (I do recall reading the evidence of a biscuit manufacturer in the 1880s to a parliamentary committee that he didn’t thinl he was employing any 12 year olds bur that a lot of parents were keen to have them in a warm place where they would also be fed.

    Your statement about the diffeence between an employee and a slave in the modern world being the employment laws (“rigjt to work” laws????) is astonishing and quite wrong. A slave by law or just coercion is effectively property owned by someone who can determine the location and use of that property. That was not and is not negated by the “employment laws” you refer to which actually limit the parties freedom of contract.

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  74. Hibernian says:
    @Charles Erwin Wilson
    WorkingClass is referring to the workers, and managers, involved in the actual work - not those involved in negotiating the contract between labor and management.

    My comment stands. Sure the contract probably resolves a lot of bones of contention, but certainly not all of them perfectly. Not anywhere near. And I was once was a union member myself.

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  75. As a general rule, anyone on the internet who complains excessively about White males marrying Asian females, while pretending to be a conservative white male, is almost certainly a sexually frustrated Asian or half-Asian male. This is essentially “Black Propaganda”. You can also be assured that any critical responses to this post will undoubtedly come from Asian or half-Asian males, who are actually Leftists but are pretending to be conservative White males.

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    Please further elucidate us, this is fascinating. I had always thought "white" meant having two parents from the European continent. How is being anti-mixed relationships "black propaganda"? I guess I was wrong, but I grew up hearing that that was "white propaganda."
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  76. Hibernian says:

    Color me skeptical. OK you’re protected against firing without just cause. What about overtime and seniority? No differences of interpretation between union and management about these issues? No differences between the union’s own management (that’s not a typo) and the workers over how hard the union is fighting for its members? If so, you are and/or were very lucky indeed. My experience with unionism was quite different.

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  77. @Beefcake the Mighty
    It's worth noting that the American conception of the "nuclear family" (so beloved by brain-dead conservatives) is essentially a liberal, individualistic construct, not surprisingly easily isolated and cut-off from larger and stronger social bonds (e.g. the extended family and community). The atomistic individual become the atomistic family unit, with no connection to a larger society, or indeed even biology or reality. That "family value" conservatives still don't get how they play right into the hands of liberals is not too surprising.

    Have a look at Iraq, Pakistan etc if you want to see the extended family in action. It’s called tribalism. And it doesn’t help much that you maintain solidarity and family property by cousin marriage that has negative effects on IQ.

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    Obviously there are balances to strike between individualism and communitarianism. I would think that someone of your intellectual caliber could grasp that point. Apparently not.

    Now that the generosity has passed, I must say, you must be one appallingly dishonest piece-of-shit to appeal to the example of Iraq, after the American destruction of civil society there, to make your point.
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  78. Montag says:
    @res
    Thanks for your thoughtful comment. One of the best looks at coding that I have seen during the whole Damore kerfuffle. One comment on:

    Not sure about this. Indeed, if you “code/design” some complex stuff you get into some kind of mental daze (aka “flow”) from which it may actually be difficult to break out. Hence, you will find disgusting pizza and caffeinated beverage on-desk and leave office at oh-dark-thirty, then feel lousy about it. I haven’t ever seen a lady who went that far.
     
    I think your comment more validates rather than counters the boredom point. I think the difference is that women are more able to push through the boring parts, but men are more likely to end up in an obsessive flow state when interested.

    What do you think about that assertion?

    It’s more like the ache of finishing a difficult puzzle; men love puzzles! Cracking it quickly, achieving the end result, is the raison detre so speak. Afterwards, it’s cigarette time. Females look at this process totally differently, not unlike sexual etiquette––Oops! Probably just committed a foul.

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    I definitely agree with the puzzle aspect as an explanation for the male behavior. That doesn't really explain the superior (on average) female tolerance of mundanity though.

    As for your last bit, we should cherish our differences and make sure everyone is well satisfied ; )
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  79. @Alfred Buono
    Ths guy "AtillatheHen" is a dysfunctional half-Asian troll who makes rounds on alt-right websites leaving disinformative red herrings to try and dissuade everyone from doing the #1 thing that bothers him the most: non-Asian men marrying Asian women. His motivations are sexual jealousy and a nagging feeling of inferiority.

    He is in fact right about Derb being a philo-Semite, and hence utterly confused and unreliable.

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    Thank you Beefcake the Mighty. I am a "she." A real woman, Caucasian Christian.
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  80. @Leslie Jacobs
    Teachers never tells students about the real reasons for treating genders differently. Keeping women in the home and out of the marketplace economy has proven over thousands of years to be a distinct survival advantage for those that follow this practice. This is why this was ubiquitous until very recently. Europeans and Americans do not know about this, because they have been literate for such a very short time compared with those in the Middle East, Persia, India, and China. All trade and usury based economies rise and fall, rise and fall with surprising frequency; it never last for all that long before destruction and crash come again. If you keep half the work force out of that trade-dependent economy, if women are kept strictly in the home, then their gardens and small flocks, dried fruits and stored foods are still there when the economy stops. People who live in large, extended families with women in the home along with the very old and young -- these groups survive over many centuries.

    The Americans and Europeans expect to push on forever with their raging economy based on continually growing trade and wildly inflated currencies. They honestly think that they are going to carry on without interruption forever. Basing their systems on self-evident truth instead of practical experienced gleaned over several millennia of experience in the real world, they expect to push on until they control the entire universe from childless, gender neutral starships, which in the movies always have secular Jews as pilots. Religious Jews, like religious Christians and Muslims, students of Confucius and those who understand history -- these folks know better.

    Almost total BS. “Europeans and Americans don’t know about this etc.” Almost every express and implied assertion is total crap as is the reasoning. Too much rubbish to deal with but pray tell how Greek and Calabrian farmers are unaware of how large rural families lived. Nor did my literate great grandparents fail to leave letters and diaries from which a great many people have learned how the typical pre birth control family lived.

    If you want a shred of credibility please follow up with your researches on the extent of literacy over the ages and its relevance to your thesis.

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  81. @Wizard of Oz
    Have a look at Iraq, Pakistan etc if you want to see the extended family in action. It's called tribalism. And it doesn't help much that you maintain solidarity and family property by cousin marriage that has negative effects on IQ.

    Obviously there are balances to strike between individualism and communitarianism. I would think that someone of your intellectual caliber could grasp that point. Apparently not.

    Now that the generosity has passed, I must say, you must be one appallingly dishonest piece-of-shit to appeal to the example of Iraq, after the American destruction of civil society there, to make your point.

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    Who says that American destruction of civil society had anything to do with the tribalalism which, everywhere, notoriously, has militated against building high trust societies on a wider scale. If you say so why?

    Actually I think your sociology is analogous to pop-psych. I'm no fan of most sociology but I do kmow that the contrast to individualism you were looking to was collectivism, not the fashionable comunitarianism. So I find a premise of your first par. flawed.

    After writing the above I have done some searching to find the name given by some scholars to s notional line dividing Europe between high trust NW and low trust SE and explanations of the differences in terms, inter alia, marriage practices, the manorial system and/or whatever. The best scholarly article I found quickly did contrast individualism and collectivism as related to trust - and noted that interpersonal trust was higher in individualist societies - but there was also reference to Putnam's civic community index so memories of Putnsm may have led to some confusion.
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  82. dfordoom says: • Website
    @SMK
    I realize that JD's advocacy of such an extreme and iniquitous policy is wholly theoretical, like most fanciful, dogmatic libertarian theorizing. An America in which white males have the right and power to fire women of all races and nonwhite males "for any reason or no reason at all"! Given the zeitgeist, in a country in which the left controls almost everything, such a policy has as much chance of becoming law as a ban on Muslim and all other non-European immigration.

    I realize that JD’s advocacy of such an extreme and iniquitous policy is wholly theoretical, like most fanciful, dogmatic libertarian theorizing.

    Libertarians live in a fantasy world of their own making. They’re cultists and they’re crazier than marxists. Luckily no-one takes libertarians seriously.

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    There is a lot of truth to that, but Rothbard and Hoppe are definite exceptions.
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  83. res says:
    @James N. Kennett
    Coders tend to have particular Myers-Briggs personality types. Those types are not distributed equally between the sexes: about 75% are men, 25% are women.

    James Damore expressed the influence of personality (without the percentage figures) but in a slightly different way - for example, he used the term "neuroticism", which is one of the personality traits in the "Big Five" classification, an alternative to Myers-Briggs.

    Anyone who is unaware that "neuroticism" is a jargon term used by psychologists, and that Damore was using the word in that sense, will immediately freak out: "WHAT? You're telling me that women are neurotic, you male chauvinist pig?"

    There are other minor ways in which Damore could have expressed his ideas more agreeably; but to insist on perfection is part of the tyranny of the Ideological Echo Chamber. Even when expressing valid and reasonable ideas, any critic of the status quo is expected to walk a tightrope of precision, inoffensiveness, and deference - one slip and you're dead. The same constraint does not apply to those who hold the Megaphone, who can say whatever they please as long as it does not challenge the Narrative. For example, the precise reason given by Google for firing Damore was unimportant - as long as he was actually fired, and the Narrative was preserved.

    Thanks for your thoughtful comment. Do you have a good reference relating to MBTI types and programming? Here are some I saw.

    The top comment on this quora question has a good informal look at programmer “types”: https://www.quora.com/Do-most-good-programmers-have-a-certain-type-of-personality-Or-is-their-personality-independent-of-their-programming-skill

    This seems like a decent anecdotal MBTI/programmers discussion: http://personalitycafe.com/myers-briggs-forum/961458-personality-types-best-computer-programming.html
    And a poll (INTP and INTJ dominate): http://personalitycafe.com/member-polls/174350-mbti-type-most-likely-enjoy-programming.html

    Regarding Damore’s memo I wish he had deemphasized neuroticism and talked more about the people-things preference difference. I think the latter is better both because it represents more a preference (modifiable by choice) than a trait AND the sex differences are larger (a Cohen’s d greater than 1).

    Your last paragraph is spot on. Well said.

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    Here is a good reference to MBTI types and programming: Personality types in software engineering

    Two things that caught my attention:

    Software engineers and psychological types are clearly related, as suggested by this study. More specifically, the current work suggests that software engineers are most likely to be STs or TJs or NTs. The results are important to employers looking for software professionals and to students looking for careers. However, this investigation has not taken into consideration motivation profile for a career choice such as: money, recognition, autonomy, power and security. In accordance with the MBTI theory, the NTs tend to be more creative than STs because Ns see possibilities beyond the given facts, and look for patterns and relationships. They are more adept at identifying underlying principles than at memorizing specific data. NTs couple a theoretical framework and the tendency to extrapolate beyond the details, so that new principles can be seen. It may be inferred that projects involving research and state-of-the-art development seemingly attract more NTs, whereas those work concerned with maintaining and enhancing software systems tend to allure more STs due to their practical side.
     

    But it is in the thinking/feeling dimension that the gap really widens; part of this concentration may be accounted for by the disproportionate presence of men in software engineering; in our sample 20% are women and 80% are men.
     
    The interesting question with this last bit is whether the causal arrow runs in the direction the author proposes or the opposite.
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  84. res says:
    @Montag
    It's more like the ache of finishing a difficult puzzle; men love puzzles! Cracking it quickly, achieving the end result, is the raison detre so speak. Afterwards, it's cigarette time. Females look at this process totally differently, not unlike sexual etiquette––Oops! Probably just committed a foul.

    I definitely agree with the puzzle aspect as an explanation for the male behavior. That doesn’t really explain the superior (on average) female tolerance of mundanity though.

    As for your last bit, we should cherish our differences and make sure everyone is well satisfied ; )

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  85. dfordoom says: • Website
    @jacques sheete
    Thanks for contributing your comment. I've long admired cultures that do as you describe, and feel very fortunate to have married into one.

    I view the fragmentation of the extended family as a tragedy and one that seems to have been engineered by the usual money centered grubs. It appears to me as one example of why our 'Merkin society is sick beyond redemption.

    I view the fragmentation of the extended family as a tragedy and one that seems to have been engineered by the usual money centered grubs

    Capitalism is inherently anti-family. Look at the people who fund all the feminist, LGBTwhatever, open borders nonsense. Rich capitalists. Capitalism is not conservative.

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  86. @Beefcake the Mighty
    He is in fact right about Derb being a philo-Semite, and hence utterly confused and unreliable.

    Thank you Beefcake the Mighty. I am a “she.” A real woman, Caucasian Christian.

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    Sorry, mistake noted.
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  87. @Eagle Eye
    Leftard troll.

    Eagle Eye, are you a Caucasian male? Do you have a slant-eyed yellow brown woman at your side? Are you Jewish?

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  88. @dfordoom

    I realize that JD’s advocacy of such an extreme and iniquitous policy is wholly theoretical, like most fanciful, dogmatic libertarian theorizing.
     
    Libertarians live in a fantasy world of their own making. They're cultists and they're crazier than marxists. Luckily no-one takes libertarians seriously.

    There is a lot of truth to that, but Rothbard and Hoppe are definite exceptions.

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  89. @attilathehen
    Thank you Beefcake the Mighty. I am a "she." A real woman, Caucasian Christian.

    Sorry, mistake noted.

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  90. I am stunned by the cuckery of many of the commentators. I point out facts and I get attacked. I will assume (safely) that most of the attackers are Jews or men involved with Asian women. Caucasian RCC men are another incredibly cucked group. I left the RCC because I don’t accept black/Asian priests-popes.

    I laugh at the funniest attack, that I’m a half Asian frustrated male. WOW!!! I’ve been commenting on unz review for a while and have consistently stated I’m a Caucasian, Christian female.

    I call out degenerates like Derbyshire because he is very dangerous. If he were to admit that he plucked an inferior brown Chinese woman from a rice paddy, married her and had kids, but that it’s ok because he gave his offspring a huge evolutionary boost and they are loyal and grateful to the West (and will have nothing to do with Asians anymore), well I could excuse him. (Some Asian genes are recessive but that’s another argument). But no, Derbyshire really believes China/Asians are superior to the West. If anyone knows Derbyshire personally, ask him which people are better: the English or the Chinese? He has to pick one. I know the answer though: his wife and daughter are Obummer voters.

    His Semitophilia is well-known. Another reason Derbyshire is confused and unreliable is because he worked on Wall Street with the chosen but has no shekels to show for it. He is 72 years old, in his twilight years and has no wisdom to show for all his time on earth. His wife and offspring are a testament to his idiocy. This is why it is critical to look at a man’s wife, family. They are his “true beliefs.”

    I’m familiar with Latin America and the high-caste Euro-mestizos (Caucasians) are grateful for their European blood and the intelligence they inherited from their European ancestors. But Derbyshire really believes his Chinese wife is the one who gave his offspring the brains. WOW!!!

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  91. @Beefcake the Mighty
    Obviously there are balances to strike between individualism and communitarianism. I would think that someone of your intellectual caliber could grasp that point. Apparently not.

    Now that the generosity has passed, I must say, you must be one appallingly dishonest piece-of-shit to appeal to the example of Iraq, after the American destruction of civil society there, to make your point.

    Who says that American destruction of civil society had anything to do with the tribalalism which, everywhere, notoriously, has militated against building high trust societies on a wider scale. If you say so why?

    Actually I think your sociology is analogous to pop-psych. I’m no fan of most sociology but I do kmow that the contrast to individualism you were looking to was collectivism, not the fashionable comunitarianism. So I find a premise of your first par. flawed.

    After writing the above I have done some searching to find the name given by some scholars to s notional line dividing Europe between high trust NW and low trust SE and explanations of the differences in terms, inter alia, marriage practices, the manorial system and/or whatever. The best scholarly article I found quickly did contrast individualism and collectivism as related to trust – and noted that interpersonal trust was higher in individualist societies – but there was also reference to Putnam’s civic community index so memories of Putnsm may have led to some confusion.

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  92. I got fired once. A few weeks earlier my boss had said to me, “Oh, so you believe in Employmemt at will?” I said I did. I was
    fired soon after. My attitude was if they don’t want me around, I don’t want to be there.

    A couple of years later, at a much better job, I made a decision that was way above my pay grade. One of my colleagues said , “You could get fired for that.” My response: “If they want to get rid of me, they’ll find a way. If they want to keep me, they’ll find a way.”

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  93. Truth says:
    @Eagle Eye
    Leftard troll.

    LMAO! How is there anything “left” at all about a white person wanting to preserve racial identity? I thought that’s what this whole Charlottesville thing was about.

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  94. Truth says:
    @Alfred Buono
    Ths guy "AtillatheHen" is a dysfunctional half-Asian troll who makes rounds on alt-right websites leaving disinformative red herrings to try and dissuade everyone from doing the #1 thing that bothers him the most: non-Asian men marrying Asian women. His motivations are sexual jealousy and a nagging feeling of inferiority.

    That’s great Bro. I had always thought I was the only “live and let live” type here…

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    Next thing we know you'll be telling us the girl's a tranny.
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  95. Truth says:
    @Alfred Buono
    As a general rule, anyone on the internet who complains excessively about White males marrying Asian females, while pretending to be a conservative white male, is almost certainly a sexually frustrated Asian or half-Asian male. This is essentially "Black Propaganda". You can also be assured that any critical responses to this post will undoubtedly come from Asian or half-Asian males, who are actually Leftists but are pretending to be conservative White males.

    Please further elucidate us, this is fascinating. I had always thought “white” meant having two parents from the European continent. How is being anti-mixed relationships “black propaganda”? I guess I was wrong, but I grew up hearing that that was “white propaganda.”

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  96. lavoisier says: • Website
    @res

    Cross-cultural studies isn’t biology.
     
    Cross cultural studies demonstrate that the effect exists across a variety of environments. Please pay attention to the words I used: "Though not definitive this certainly rises above pure speculation and demonstrates that your statement is the worst kind of speculation--the simply wrong kind. "

    Seeing that an effect exists consistently across cultures (i.e. different environments) is an indicator that it is probably not just due to environment. Most likely biology plays a role.

    Get over it. Your "everyone is just alike biologically" ideology is a fantasy.

    I'm curious, what exactly is your scientific background? Statements like these sound more like religion than science to me:
    "Without any understanding of the mechanism, it’s just pure correlation and speculation, rather than real science."
    "This is pseudo-science rather than real science. Because it uses correlations rather than experiments according to the Scientific Method."
    "But then you just have to admit that you don’t know, rather resort to some Voodo pseudo-science and pretend that you know."

    Your argument is straightforward and valid. This idea that there is no scientific evidence showing a biological basis to human behavioral differences is absurd. The data is coming out all the time.

    Those who insist that all human beings are biologically the same, and that the differences between people and groups of people are culturally determined, are fools by any other name.

    This marxist fiction is a sickness embraced far too readily without any evidence by the fools on the left.

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    Please Marx or left have nothing to do with that. If you insist the correct label would be post-modernists and neo-liberals, none of which have anything to do with the actual left or marxist. If you are interested in what real left does go look at what Cuba does or what Evo Morales says, or what Mature does about race or gender. They are all left but with different levels of affinity to marxism
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  97. res says:
    @res
    Thanks for your thoughtful comment. Do you have a good reference relating to MBTI types and programming? Here are some I saw.

    The top comment on this quora question has a good informal look at programmer "types": https://www.quora.com/Do-most-good-programmers-have-a-certain-type-of-personality-Or-is-their-personality-independent-of-their-programming-skill

    This seems like a decent anecdotal MBTI/programmers discussion: http://personalitycafe.com/myers-briggs-forum/961458-personality-types-best-computer-programming.html
    And a poll (INTP and INTJ dominate): http://personalitycafe.com/member-polls/174350-mbti-type-most-likely-enjoy-programming.html

    Regarding Damore's memo I wish he had deemphasized neuroticism and talked more about the people-things preference difference. I think the latter is better both because it represents more a preference (modifiable by choice) than a trait AND the sex differences are larger (a Cohen's d greater than 1).

    Your last paragraph is spot on. Well said.

    Here is a good reference to MBTI types and programming: Personality types in software engineering

    Two things that caught my attention:

    Software engineers and psychological types are clearly related, as suggested by this study. More specifically, the current work suggests that software engineers are most likely to be STs or TJs or NTs. The results are important to employers looking for software professionals and to students looking for careers. However, this investigation has not taken into consideration motivation profile for a career choice such as: money, recognition, autonomy, power and security. In accordance with the MBTI theory, the NTs tend to be more creative than STs because Ns see possibilities beyond the given facts, and look for patterns and relationships. They are more adept at identifying underlying principles than at memorizing specific data. NTs couple a theoretical framework and the tendency to extrapolate beyond the details, so that new principles can be seen. It may be inferred that projects involving research and state-of-the-art development seemingly attract more NTs, whereas those work concerned with maintaining and enhancing software systems tend to allure more STs due to their practical side.

    But it is in the thinking/feeling dimension that the gap really widens; part of this concentration may be accounted for by the disproportionate presence of men in software engineering; in our sample 20% are women and 80% are men.

    The interesting question with this last bit is whether the causal arrow runs in the direction the author proposes or the opposite.

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  98. res says:
    @Nick363
    Cross-cultural studies isn't biology. Because this doesn't deal at all with the mechanism of how the brain works and how it can develop under different influences.

    Without any understanding of the mechanism, it's just pure correlation and speculation, rather than real science.

    It's like using correlation studies to compare various computers, without any understanding of their software and hardware. This is such primitive understanding that it has little or no value in understanding of what's going on.

    This is pseudo-science rather than real science. Because it uses correlations rather than experiments according to the Scientific Method.

    Perhaps conducting experiments on people might be unethical and not viable to do. But then you just have to admit that you don't know, rather resort to some Voodo pseudo-science and pretend that you know.

    If you are actually interested in possible mechanisms (i.e. aren’t just spewing FUD) this link is worth a look: http://infoproc.blogspot.com/2017/08/meanwhile-down-on-farm.html

    The Spring 2017 issue of the Stanford Medical School magazine has a special theme: Sex, Gender, and Medicine. I recommend the article excerpted below to journalists covering the Google Manifesto / James Damore firing. After reading it, they can decide for themselves whether his memo is based on established neuroscience or bro-pseudoscience.

    Perhaps top Google executives will want to head down the road to Stanford for a refresher course in reality.

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    Bro-pseudoscience beats progressive totems.
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  99. Logan says:
    @attilathehen
    You have to watch Derbyshire very closely because this man is a degenerate. He babbles very libertarian ideas but he is a Sinophile and philosemitic and would have them as overlords over Caucasians and the West.

    Derbyshire needs to have full disclosure when he writes articles. He is married to a Chinese woman and has Chinese offspring. He is compromised. These articles he writes are so strange because deep down he is not for the West and its peoples. Another example of this degeneracy is J.D. Vance who wrote "Hillbilly Elegy." He is married to an East Indian woman. Jim Webb, the Democratic great white hope politician, is married to a Vietnamese woman and has Vietnamese offspring. There is nothing Chinese/East Indian/Vietnamese about the West.

    Cherchez la femme/le homme when these "libertarians," "conservatives," write about saving the West and helping its peoples.

    Very odd response, dude. The Derb has never tried in the least to hide his yellow fever. Wander over to his website and it’s loaded with family pictures and stories. His very attractive children have entirely obviously grown up completely assimilated.

    He and the lovely Mrs. have been married for over 30 years now.

    If I remember correctly, his son is now serving in the US military.

    May his tribe prosper and increase.

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    Logan are you Jewish? Involved with Asians? You are clearly very degenerate. But I will make some points.

    The fact that Derbyshire posts pictures of his offspring shows how twisted he is. Since he writes for Vdare and AmRen, putting his info out would subject his family to problems. I have read Vdare and AmRen for several years and am surprised that they have survived with few problems. But they are philosemitic and always elevate the Asian over the Caucasian, so I suppose this gives them some cover. Brimelow also posts photos of his young daughters. Very odd. Jared Taylor at least respects his family's privacy.

    His son is in the military. Hopefully he is stationed in the Pacific Rim so that he can meet an Asian woman and stay in Asia. The daughter is an Obumer voter and has a strange penchant for snakes. So much for his offspring. The wife is ugly.

    Derbyshire wrote a book "We are Doomed" that was published in 2009. I did not waste my time reading it, but I suspect seeing this Asian woman and strange looking children in his home was the impetus for the book. He was projecting his genetic doom and mistakes on the West. Derbyshire is demented.
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  100. @Chrisj
    I also thought of Rosey Grier and his knitting when the gender flap at Google came along. He is a good example that group averages don't determine individual cases, and that individual cases don't negate the reality of group averages.
    By the way, Rosey was part of the Robert Kennedy campaign entourage and he is the one who tackled Sirhan Sirhan after the shooting.

    Rosey was also part of the fearsome foursome.

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  101. @res
    If you are actually interested in possible mechanisms (i.e. aren't just spewing FUD) this link is worth a look: http://infoproc.blogspot.com/2017/08/meanwhile-down-on-farm.html

    The Spring 2017 issue of the Stanford Medical School magazine has a special theme: Sex, Gender, and Medicine. I recommend the article excerpted below to journalists covering the Google Manifesto / James Damore firing. After reading it, they can decide for themselves whether his memo is based on established neuroscience or bro-pseudoscience.

    Perhaps top Google executives will want to head down the road to Stanford for a refresher course in reality.
     

    Bro-pseudoscience beats progressive totems.

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  102. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Truth
    That's great Bro. I had always thought I was the only "live and let live" type here...

    https://i2.wp.com/wp.africansuntimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/sealheidiND_468x5942.jpg

    Next thing we know you’ll be telling us the girl’s a tranny.

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  103. Kemerd says:
    @mngwa
    It's simply weird, but not the way Americans get it. My political inclination is leftwards as (almost) someone can get, yet (not only me, but the quite big majority of the leftists on this planet) would agree with James Damore, and simply astonished to contemplate (yet again) Americans can have such a distorted view. No communist (or anarchist for that matter) and especially no Marxist in his/her right mind would attempt even for a second to equate people (of whatever distinction, be it sex or else) in such a way. We have always asked and struggled and will do so as long as this atavistic need (inherited from our ancestors before the rising of class differentiation) for the equality of opportunity, yet we do not want a bit of not such calamity. Those who ask for it outside of Anglo-Saxon sphere are quite few and almost exclusively heavily influenced by this viewpoint, one way or another. And such deviance between Anglo-Saxon (primarily American) standpoint and others (the huge majority of the world) exist not only in politics, but also regarding other cultures' (yes, they exist) perceptions and viewpoints on Earth. I have to say this is not sole misconception you have, for just one example: I am Caucasian from either sides geographically speaking and ethnically from maternal side. I have been enormously surprised he first time I heard Americans use this ethno-geographical term for people with white skin and in order to differentiate those from people with other skin shades (not colors, shades). Furthermore, I am deeply nauseated when I understood the meaning of true racism which is nothing more an attempt to demonize and diminish other people on the basis of their differences with respect to look/belief/culture etc. in order to readily exploit them. Many so-called (I say so, because they have much less African culture inherited from their ethnic and/or cultural forefathers than say American and even European sources, whether willingly or unwillingly) Afro-Americans can easily pass as whites in my country. (NB: I have to admit that my culture, while originally had no such misconceptions, nowadays have many of them even if most of them are slight and have always tend rather to favor fairer skin with respect to beauty perception, and yet a beautiful person can overcome this prejudice, particularly if he/she is intelligent and have a good character. ) Furthermore, the term "black" is also irrelevant, giving the fact that even Africans can have various shades of skin: most frequently dark brown, and than in descending order of frequency light brown, coal black, reddish pitch black (most akin to eggplant), bluish pitch black, (and for Sans and Hottentos) golden /yellowish brown.

    Yes, indeed. I think the main reason the so called left in the US tinker with such ridiculous notions as gender equality when referring to everything else but equality in opportunity is that they purposefully avoid the actual hotpoint for left such as class struggle, the exploitation of working class by the elites, the evils of their own government, etc.

    When I see an American refer to Marx, and especially when they mean it as slender, I smile as I am quite sure that they even don’t read the communist manifesto unlike most other commentators who tend to have a lot wider range in their reading list and certainty the actual works of Marx. I think that is also the reason that such primitive notions as libertarianism can still have some footing in the US while it is dismissed outright by almost everyone in elsewhere

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  104. Kemerd says:
    @lavoisier
    Your argument is straightforward and valid. This idea that there is no scientific evidence showing a biological basis to human behavioral differences is absurd. The data is coming out all the time.

    Those who insist that all human beings are biologically the same, and that the differences between people and groups of people are culturally determined, are fools by any other name.

    This marxist fiction is a sickness embraced far too readily without any evidence by the fools on the left.

    Please Marx or left have nothing to do with that. If you insist the correct label would be post-modernists and neo-liberals, none of which have anything to do with the actual left or marxist. If you are interested in what real left does go look at what Cuba does or what Evo Morales says, or what Mature does about race or gender. They are all left but with different levels of affinity to marxism

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    Ok.

    But do you not think that there is a seamless connection between Marxist philosophy and post-modernist thought?

    Both seem focused on an irrational egalitarianism hostile to scientific ideas that conflict with their egalitarian ideals.

    I see both as being anti-science and anti-rational and very comfortable within liberal and leftist circles.
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  105. Truth says:

    Wow!

    I guess there really is something to this “Hi-G” stuff…

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  106. This is standard operational procedure per the entirety of human civilization. To pretend that e.g. in the 50s you didn’t have to conform to a rigid polarized dominant social mindset is childish at best or deceptive at worst.

    Most of us are equally blah at what we do. There are outliers but in the main we’re one big bag of TGIF. Does it actually cause harm to society if every slot is not filled with the very best candidate for the slot?

    Social harmony, on the other hand, is a very significant civilizational barometer. Happy societies are kick ass societies in cultural and scientific output. Compare Rome and Carthage, for instance. Many such affirmative examples can be reasonably contemplated in history.

    The actual question (already answered by Feminists and techno-ideocratic overlords) is whether a remedy to male dissatisfaction with cold hard facts can be socially engineered.

    There is no question whatsoever that human society becomes plastic at a certain level. The implicit of the “actual question” is whether this plasticity can harmoniously occur at a psycho-sexual level.

    (The above alone should explain the phenomena of words such as “cuck”, and specter of ‘military age young males’ in the marginal social discourse.)

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    Does it actually cause harm to society if every slot is not filled with the very best candidate for the slot?

    It depends on how that slot is filled. If that slot was filled with an honest attempt to find a reasonably compatible candidate and that person just didn't work ok, that is one case that is excusable. When the government forces you to put in a candidate that can't do the job and causes problems for the rest of the crew then that is a different case.

    Isn't that the problem, AA pressure from the government that cause companies to create idiotic job titles like "director of diversity" simply because there are no candidates capable of doing the actual work the company specializes in. Then due to the continued AA pressure, those same companies are forced to take these AA do-nothings and promote them to senior executive positions such that the do-nothing starts thinking they have a purpose other than to just shut their mouths and cash their paychecks.
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  107. @Logan
    Very odd response, dude. The Derb has never tried in the least to hide his yellow fever. Wander over to his website and it's loaded with family pictures and stories. His very attractive children have entirely obviously grown up completely assimilated.

    He and the lovely Mrs. have been married for over 30 years now.

    If I remember correctly, his son is now serving in the US military.

    May his tribe prosper and increase.

    Logan are you Jewish? Involved with Asians? You are clearly very degenerate. But I will make some points.

    The fact that Derbyshire posts pictures of his offspring shows how twisted he is. Since he writes for Vdare and AmRen, putting his info out would subject his family to problems. I have read Vdare and AmRen for several years and am surprised that they have survived with few problems. But they are philosemitic and always elevate the Asian over the Caucasian, so I suppose this gives them some cover. Brimelow also posts photos of his young daughters. Very odd. Jared Taylor at least respects his family’s privacy.

    His son is in the military. Hopefully he is stationed in the Pacific Rim so that he can meet an Asian woman and stay in Asia. The daughter is an Obumer voter and has a strange penchant for snakes. So much for his offspring. The wife is ugly.

    Derbyshire wrote a book “We are Doomed” that was published in 2009. I did not waste my time reading it, but I suspect seeing this Asian woman and strange looking children in his home was the impetus for the book. He was projecting his genetic doom and mistakes on the West. Derbyshire is demented.

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    To answer your irrelevant questions. I'm not Jewish, and have had little contact with Asian people in my life. Not because I've avoided them, but because they've not been around.

    I've been reading the Derb's stuff for quite some time and admire him greatly.

    I think any reasonable person comparing your comments, mine and those of the Derb are capable of drawing their own conclusions about who suffers from dementia.
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  108. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Kemerd
    Please Marx or left have nothing to do with that. If you insist the correct label would be post-modernists and neo-liberals, none of which have anything to do with the actual left or marxist. If you are interested in what real left does go look at what Cuba does or what Evo Morales says, or what Mature does about race or gender. They are all left but with different levels of affinity to marxism

    Ok.

    But do you not think that there is a seamless connection between Marxist philosophy and post-modernist thought?

    Both seem focused on an irrational egalitarianism hostile to scientific ideas that conflict with their egalitarian ideals.

    I see both as being anti-science and anti-rational and very comfortable within liberal and leftist circles.

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  109. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @mngwa
    It's simply weird, but not the way Americans get it. My political inclination is leftwards as (almost) someone can get, yet (not only me, but the quite big majority of the leftists on this planet) would agree with James Damore, and simply astonished to contemplate (yet again) Americans can have such a distorted view. No communist (or anarchist for that matter) and especially no Marxist in his/her right mind would attempt even for a second to equate people (of whatever distinction, be it sex or else) in such a way. We have always asked and struggled and will do so as long as this atavistic need (inherited from our ancestors before the rising of class differentiation) for the equality of opportunity, yet we do not want a bit of not such calamity. Those who ask for it outside of Anglo-Saxon sphere are quite few and almost exclusively heavily influenced by this viewpoint, one way or another. And such deviance between Anglo-Saxon (primarily American) standpoint and others (the huge majority of the world) exist not only in politics, but also regarding other cultures' (yes, they exist) perceptions and viewpoints on Earth. I have to say this is not sole misconception you have, for just one example: I am Caucasian from either sides geographically speaking and ethnically from maternal side. I have been enormously surprised he first time I heard Americans use this ethno-geographical term for people with white skin and in order to differentiate those from people with other skin shades (not colors, shades). Furthermore, I am deeply nauseated when I understood the meaning of true racism which is nothing more an attempt to demonize and diminish other people on the basis of their differences with respect to look/belief/culture etc. in order to readily exploit them. Many so-called (I say so, because they have much less African culture inherited from their ethnic and/or cultural forefathers than say American and even European sources, whether willingly or unwillingly) Afro-Americans can easily pass as whites in my country. (NB: I have to admit that my culture, while originally had no such misconceptions, nowadays have many of them even if most of them are slight and have always tend rather to favor fairer skin with respect to beauty perception, and yet a beautiful person can overcome this prejudice, particularly if he/she is intelligent and have a good character. ) Furthermore, the term "black" is also irrelevant, giving the fact that even Africans can have various shades of skin: most frequently dark brown, and than in descending order of frequency light brown, coal black, reddish pitch black (most akin to eggplant), bluish pitch black, (and for Sans and Hottentos) golden /yellowish brown.

    TL;DR: “Some of us who still don’t have enough experience living with the shitskins are desperately clinging to the multicultural fairytales…”

    Did you ever wonder why a multi-culti society breeds resentments and racism on all sides? Did you see Sweden transforming from a safe, prosperous, 99% white, high-trust society to a rape/grenade capital of Europe with 61+ no-go zones and no future?

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  110. MarkinLA says:
    @survey-of-disinfo
    This is standard operational procedure per the entirety of human civilization. To pretend that e.g. in the 50s you didn't have to conform to a rigid polarized dominant social mindset is childish at best or deceptive at worst.

    Most of us are equally blah at what we do. There are outliers but in the main we're one big bag of TGIF. Does it actually cause harm to society if every slot is not filled with the very best candidate for the slot?

    Social harmony, on the other hand, is a very significant civilizational barometer. Happy societies are kick ass societies in cultural and scientific output. Compare Rome and Carthage, for instance. Many such affirmative examples can be reasonably contemplated in history.

    The actual question (already answered by Feminists and techno-ideocratic overlords) is whether a remedy to male dissatisfaction with cold hard facts can be socially engineered.

    There is no question whatsoever that human society becomes plastic at a certain level. The implicit of the "actual question" is whether this plasticity can harmoniously occur at a psycho-sexual level.

    (The above alone should explain the phenomena of words such as "cuck", and specter of 'military age young males' in the marginal social discourse.)

    Does it actually cause harm to society if every slot is not filled with the very best candidate for the slot?

    It depends on how that slot is filled. If that slot was filled with an honest attempt to find a reasonably compatible candidate and that person just didn’t work ok, that is one case that is excusable. When the government forces you to put in a candidate that can’t do the job and causes problems for the rest of the crew then that is a different case.

    Isn’t that the problem, AA pressure from the government that cause companies to create idiotic job titles like “director of diversity” simply because there are no candidates capable of doing the actual work the company specializes in. Then due to the continued AA pressure, those same companies are forced to take these AA do-nothings and promote them to senior executive positions such that the do-nothing starts thinking they have a purpose other than to just shut their mouths and cash their paychecks.

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  111. Sean says:

    Not agriculture. patriarchy . The Yamnaya wolf packs were the begining. They exterminated not just the culture of the European early neolithic and what was left of the stone age, but almost all of the population as well.

    http://www.nytimes.com/1990/02/13/science/idyllic-theory-of-goddesses-creates-storm.html?pagewanted=all ”Marija Gimbutas is the one world-class scholar showing that what feminists wished were true is in fact true,” said John Loudon, a senior editor at Harper & Row who worked on the archeologist’s book published last year, ”The Language of the Goddess.”

    Gimbutas was never given proper credit. It is clear to me that hierarchical patriarchy as introduced by the Yamnaya led to profound genetic charges in the appearance of Europeans. Women were the focus of selection because under the Yamnaya they were treated worse than animals (multiple wives being being burned alive at a chief’s funeral).

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  112. grapesoda says:
    @Labatouche
    software developers are the 'performing monkeys' of tech. Straight from sucking their mothers tits to the workplace, with a couple
    disappointing sexual experiences along the way, they believe themselves to be fonts of intellectual knowledge on human gender psychology, I have seen it a million times, thats why we employ our developers remotely so we dont have to have to listen to their high minded sanctimonius trash talk.
    This guy was so typically true to form, I cant believe google employ hand-shandy's like him,an utter twat who wasnt being paid for his opinions buy thought he should share them all the same.

    Wow, shocking a leftist wants to silence any criticism of their views. What are your other sock puppets on this board one-post HR lady?

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  113. grapesoda says:
    @Nick363
    Unlike with physical traits, people don't yet understand enough about the human brain to say whether gender differences are caused by environment, or biology, or both.

    This is pure speculation, without any basis in any published scientific studies.

    Normally, speculation is okay, when it's just speculation and nothing else. But speculation about human biology has a long history of being used to justify sexism, slavery, racial discrimination, and the Nazi Holocaust.

    That's why it's so upsetting for many people.

    Re-opening old wounds and re-starting an old conflict is bound to cause a lot of controversy. And it's this historical context that virtually everybody seems to be missing here.

    My suggestion for both sides in this controversy is to read a little more history and find out what it was like to be on the receiving end of biological speculation in the past for women, for blacks, for Asians, and for Jews in Nazi Germany.

    Funny how allegations of “sexism,” whatever that means, only go in one direction.

    If everyone else is just going to put their own demographic group first (ie women, non-whites, etc.) then white men are going to do that too. Why play the game of life with one hand tied behind one’s back?

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  114. @Steve Sailer
    The name of NFL star Rosie Grier, a huge genial man who was a celebrity for quite awhile, comes up at various unexpected points in history.

    In June 1968, he wrestled RFK's assassin Sirhan Sirhan to the ground while writer George Plimpton and/or Olympian Rafer Johnson grabbed his gun.

    After football, he became a minister. In that capacity he visited O.J. Simpson in jail. A jail guard reported that he overheard an overwrought O.J. confessing the murder to Rev. Rosie:

    http://www.ocregister.com/2013/11/13/deputy-heard-oj-simpson-confess-maybe/

    But Judge Ito didn't allow the guard to testify to what he heard OJ say to Rosie.

    Hi Steve

    I’m addressing this to you – as well as JD and Ron – in the expectation that you might be able to post and dissectthe article in The Economist which bils itself as what James Damore ought to have said as well as criticising him.

    My three articles a week have been used and I wouldn’t like to commit myself to The Economiat by paying…..

    I don’t need to tell you where my sympathies lie :-)

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  115. Logan says:
    @attilathehen
    Logan are you Jewish? Involved with Asians? You are clearly very degenerate. But I will make some points.

    The fact that Derbyshire posts pictures of his offspring shows how twisted he is. Since he writes for Vdare and AmRen, putting his info out would subject his family to problems. I have read Vdare and AmRen for several years and am surprised that they have survived with few problems. But they are philosemitic and always elevate the Asian over the Caucasian, so I suppose this gives them some cover. Brimelow also posts photos of his young daughters. Very odd. Jared Taylor at least respects his family's privacy.

    His son is in the military. Hopefully he is stationed in the Pacific Rim so that he can meet an Asian woman and stay in Asia. The daughter is an Obumer voter and has a strange penchant for snakes. So much for his offspring. The wife is ugly.

    Derbyshire wrote a book "We are Doomed" that was published in 2009. I did not waste my time reading it, but I suspect seeing this Asian woman and strange looking children in his home was the impetus for the book. He was projecting his genetic doom and mistakes on the West. Derbyshire is demented.

    To answer your irrelevant questions. I’m not Jewish, and have had little contact with Asian people in my life. Not because I’ve avoided them, but because they’ve not been around.

    I’ve been reading the Derb’s stuff for quite some time and admire him greatly.

    I think any reasonable person comparing your comments, mine and those of the Derb are capable of drawing their own conclusions about who suffers from dementia.

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  116. Jeff77450 says:
    @Nick363
    Unlike with physical traits, people don't yet understand enough about the human brain to say whether gender differences are caused by environment, or biology, or both.

    This is pure speculation, without any basis in any published scientific studies.

    Normally, speculation is okay, when it's just speculation and nothing else. But speculation about human biology has a long history of being used to justify sexism, slavery, racial discrimination, and the Nazi Holocaust.

    That's why it's so upsetting for many people.

    Re-opening old wounds and re-starting an old conflict is bound to cause a lot of controversy. And it's this historical context that virtually everybody seems to be missing here.

    My suggestion for both sides in this controversy is to read a little more history and find out what it was like to be on the receiving end of biological speculation in the past for women, for blacks, for Asians, and for Jews in Nazi Germany.

    “Unlike with physical traits, people don’t yet understand enough about the human brain to say whether gender differences are caused by environment, or biology, or both.”

    I’m not a scientist of any sort but I encourage you to watch these two videos:

    female developer’s view on Norwegian Gender Paradox, 5 minutes

    The gender equality paradox, 39 minutes

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    You're wasting your time.

    A person that can't comprehend that the male-female brain, endocrine systems and the resultant behaviours differ from the inception are lost causes. They simply reject science.

    If you tell them that the male lion, whale or sparrow weren't coerced by the evil male patriarchy dominion to think and behave in certain way - they won't believe you.
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  117. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Jeff77450
    "Unlike with physical traits, people don’t yet understand enough about the human brain to say whether gender differences are caused by environment, or biology, or both."

    I'm not a scientist of any sort but I encourage you to watch these two videos:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mc9VV2NN8FA female developer's view on Norwegian Gender Paradox, 5 minutes

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5LRdW8xw70 The gender equality paradox, 39 minutes

    You’re wasting your time.

    A person that can’t comprehend that the male-female brain, endocrine systems and the resultant behaviours differ from the inception are lost causes. They simply reject science.

    If you tell them that the male lion, whale or sparrow weren’t coerced by the evil male patriarchy dominion to think and behave in certain way – they won’t believe you.

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    Agreed and thank you for commenting.
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  118. eah says:

    Two Minute Hate

    It wasn’t a ‘two minute hate’ (whatever that exactly is) — they fired him — ‘firing is forever’, or something like that — it’s not unheard of for people to ‘go postal’ over that.

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  119. Jeff77450 says:
    @Anonymous
    You're wasting your time.

    A person that can't comprehend that the male-female brain, endocrine systems and the resultant behaviours differ from the inception are lost causes. They simply reject science.

    If you tell them that the male lion, whale or sparrow weren't coerced by the evil male patriarchy dominion to think and behave in certain way - they won't believe you.

    Agreed and thank you for commenting.

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  120. This might amuse, at least when it is known that Evan Thornley, an amiable man whom I know slightly, was a product of Melbourne’s oldest private school – (Presbyterian) Scotch College – made a fortune out of LookSmart in California before returnimg to become a Labor politician who gave up his certainty of being a minister to become CEO of Better Place (Australia) then of the parent compsny in Israel…. May it rest in peace with my money.

    http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/business-it/evan-thornley-causes-stir-with-sexist-comments-at-sunrise-startup-conference-20140922-10kiku.html

    His good causes are all on the bien pensant left.

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  121. “The sexes were less egalitarian in the way they treated each other. (Think of Chinese foot-binding).”

    A recent study by female scholars at Radcliffe points to the probability that not Chinese men, but Chinese women, were the ones doing the foot-binding. Why? To keep the girls from play and “bind” them to their home textile work, which was a much-needed part of the economy of the households of rural China.

    “…their [Laurel Bossen and Melissa Brown] research suggests that the practice [of foot-binding] was directly linked to the young girls and women in the hand-labor force, and that its disappearance coincided with the arrival in China of the Industrial Revolution…Men weren’t picking their own brides. Their mothers were.”

    news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2011/12/unraveling-a-brutal-custom/

    More fake history bites the dust.

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