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Big political news this week was the new book Fire and Fury: Inside the Trump White House by Michael Wolff, who comes with the epithet “veteran journalist.” Wikileaks has pirated the PDF.

Wolff quotes many, many people across the past few months telling him how dysfunctional Trump’s White House is, and how stupid and obnoxious the President himself is. It covers the 2016 election, too, with similarly negative quotes from insiders about what a Chinese fire drill the Trump campaign was.

A lot of the most colorful quotes come from strategist Steve Bannon, who joined Trump’s campaign in August of the election year, and was dropped from the White House staff in August this year.

What should we make of all this? Bear in mind that I’m the guy who once wrote a column titled “Journalists are scum.”

I don’t doubt that Trump can be obnoxious. He’s a native New Yorker—Whaddaya want, jackass?

He’s also rich and successful. All rich and successful people are sometimes tempted to the point of view that the rest of us are losers who don’t know squat. How often they yield to that temptation is a matter of individual personality.

My own experience of rich and successful people is sadly limited; such as it is, though, it leads me to believe that a rich and successful person who never looks down on his un-rich, un-successful fellow humans as clueless losers, is a rare critter indeed, who probably belongs on the calendar of saints.

And obnoxiosity at the Trump level is a generous obnoxiosity, tolerant of obnoxiosity in peers. Trump’s world is one of dueling obnoxiosities: not necessarily personal, just business.

Quote from the New York Post:

Following reports that [Ivanka Trump’s husband Jared] Kushner had tried to set up a private communication channel with the Kremlin, Bannon called Ivanka a “f–king liar,” in front of the President.

Trump responded only by telling her “I told you this is a tough town, baby” according to Wolff’s book.

Et Tu, Bannon, By Ruth Brown, January 7, 2018

That sounds true to me—very Trumpish, even though it goes against the grain of other things we’ve heard, and that Michael Wolff says, about the President’s partiality to his children.

That his children are, in their general sensibilities, metropolitan liberals seems to be one of the main points of contention between Trump and Bannon. In the matter of not suffering fools gladly, Bannon is easily Trump’s match; but un-like Trump he regards all metropolitan liberals, without qualification or favor, as fools.

Inevitably one finds oneself taking sides here: Trumpite or Bannonite. I’m going to declare myself, with a major qualification, a Bannonite. I like Bannon’s strong nationalism and his skepticism of traditional postwar American conservatism, with its missionary globalism and its fantasies about private-enterprise healthcare provision.

That’s not to endorse the guy, who has played his hand badly. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that “Steve Bannon” rhymes and scans with “loose cannon.”

I’d add the same qualification to my support for Trump, though. The President does sometimes come across as coarse and ignorant.

ORDER IT NOW

What I’m saying is that Bannon is a better Trumpist than Trump. I like Trumpism more than I like either guy. I dream fondly of a well-mannered, well-read politician of the traditional gray and boring type—a Coolidge or an Eisenhower—who is a dogmatic and unwavering Trumpist.

I love the song, but I’m not crazy about either Trump or Bannon as singers. I want my politicians and their advisers to have the right ideas, but I also want them to be firm, cunning, and effective in making those ideas national policy and law. I want a gray, boring, politically skillful Trumpist.

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  1. Stick says:

    I would suggest that Bannon has an equally high opinion of himself and seeks the limelight. The first rule of Trump is to never upstage him. Second rule is don’t imperil his children. Bannon seems to have broken both in his desire for fame equal to Trump’s. Not a smart man.

    • Agree: Travis
  2. TG says:

    I too want a gray boring successful Trumpist. Agreed.

    And they are out there. But they get no traction, you never hear about them.

    The thing with Trump, is that only a raving maniac jackass can attract enough attention to avoid being ignored and buried by the mainstream press. Maybe a gray boring billionaire who buys the NY Times can avoid this, but for now, the system is far too powerful and far too entrenched for any other approach to work.

    Suggestion: perhaps if we undid Bill Clinton’s consolidation of big media – go back to a large number of independent journalistic outlets that are not all controlled by the same six megacorporations – a gray boring Trumpist could get somewhere. But not, I think, right now.

    • Replies: @Barnard
  3. They are both Zionists. It’s America First after Israel. I support them both only because their enemies are my enemies.

    • Replies: @Steve Gittelson
  4. Barnard says:
    @TG

    The media has never been honest, in the history of the country. The education system and the entertainment industry have more influence than traditional news sources anyway. As long as people consider being entertained their highest priority nothing much will change.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  5. I love the song, but I’m not crazy about either Trump or Bannon as singers. I want my politicians and their advisers to have the right ideas, but I also want them to be firm, cunning, and effective in making those ideas national policy and law. I want a gray, boring, politically skillful Trumpist.

    If memory serves, Derbyshire has read Heartiste and recognizes that he is a “herb”.

    Many intelligent, “educated” people recoil from Trump as uncouth.

    But much of the blue collar crowd loves his attitude and, frankly, great sense of humor. And those of us on the alt-right (dissident right) who are younger enjoy his boisterous, rude behavior full stop. We didn’t grow up with civility and decorum like Derbyshire’s generation did.

    The issue with Trump isn’t that he’s entertaining, but rather that he’s nonintellectual. This allows him to be bamboozled by swamp creatures about matters like DACA. I can accept the logic of trading DACA amnesty for real immigration restriction, but obviously major deportations should’ve started already.

    Bannon is intellectual, but unfortunately he’s also an alcoholic and fatally trapped in “civic nationalism” and Cold War geopolitical thinking (e.g. his fantasies of war against China).

    Even assuming a gray, boring, and skillful Trumpist could win a Republican primary (doubtful), it’s quite likely that he’d shed college-educated Republican voters the same way Trump did. Cucked faggots don’t want to vote for nationalism.

    The ideal would be if Trump were not just lively and entertaining, but also had a masterful grasp of policy details. Like Pat Buchanan but less gentlemanly to his opponents perhaps?

  6. I fervently hope for Manhattan and Long Island to break loose from their continental moorings, drift out to sea, dissolve piecemeal and sink into the Atlantic as the residents eat each other.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  7. @WorkingClass

    They are both Zionists. It’s America First after Israel. I support them both only because their enemies are my enemies.

    How about “I support them both only to the extent that some of their enemies are my enemies.”

    Better, IMO. Mileage may vary, etc.

    • Agree: Grandpa Charlie
  8. To quote a long-term Trump staffer quoted in the book, Trump is “nothing but a f***ing fool.” Other than tax cuts for the rich and corporations what exactly has he delivered in his first year which is usually the only period when presidents accomplish anything? He is too petulant, lazy, prickly and distracted to deliver on his promise. The man has no philosophy beyond his own gratification.

    • Agree: International Jew
    • Replies: @Coemgen
    , @Anonymous
  9. nsa says:

    “Fire and Fury” portrays a fat pig whose trophy wife can’t stand him….laying in bed washing down cheese burgers with diet cokes while tweeting and watching Fox News. And the quotes as to the joys of banging his friend’s wives completes the picture of a latter day Caligula.

    • Agree: lavoisier
  10. George says:

    N & S Korea are in talks, which are said to have stopped during the Obama admin. So maybe the Koreas will decide to put bygones aside, possibly even reunify. Did Trump cause it, I think so.

  11. Of course the Trump presidency was going to be a Chinese fire drill. He had no friends in Washington, and still doesn’t, with a few notable exceptions (Cotton, King, Paul, Grassley). The entire bureaucracy was filled with people who hated him. He didn’t have a team to immediately go in and replace these traitorous sacks of pus. It’s tough when you’re not a Clintonite or Bushie. I’d say, with a few small errors, he’s doing just fine so far.

  12. dearieme says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    ‘Many intelligent, “educated” people recoil from Trump as uncouth’: I look upon his uncouthness as having been necessary for getting the job, and probably for doing the job. Anyway, however much he’s an absurd oaf, he kept Heillary out of office, for which everyone owes him a huge vote of thanks. He’s probably too experienced to expect much gratitude though.

    As for ‘intelligent, “educated” people’: some are less intelligent than they give themselves credit for, while some are “educated” in a rather specialised, useless way. Useless for dealing with people en masse, I mean, and the physical world they inhabit.

  13. @Steve Gittelson

    Wrong coast, but close enough.

    • Replies: @Steve Gittelson
  14. My 2 cents on Wolff’s book:

    Trump was certainly entertaining and a breath of fresh air in 2016.

    Tragedy is, the first American nationalist President just had to have rapidly deteriorating dementia.

    Trump had been upstaged in other ways as well. He had been scheduled for a major 60 Minutes interview in September, but this was abruptly canceled after Bannon’s 60 Minutes interview with Charlie Rose on September 11. The president’s advisers felt he shouldn’t put himself in a position where he would be compared with Bannon. The worry among staffers—all of them concerned that Trump’s rambling and his alarming repetitions (the same sentences delivered with the same expressions minutes apart) had significantly increased, and that his ability to stay focused, never great, had notably declined—was that he was likely to suffer by such a comparison. Instead, the interview with Trump was offered to Sean Hannity—with a preview of the questions.

    Bannon is brighter than Trump, at least he reads books, but at the end of the day he is a boomer with stupid boomer delusions who fancies himself a master of strategy – and doesn’t hesitate to let everyone know about his (very high) opinion of himself. It is now coming back to bite him in the ass.

    America’s next best hope is Paul Nehlen and the like. But I fear that the blue wave provoked by Trump and Co.’s incompetence is going to submerge the Alt Right ship for at least the next decade. I doubt Generation Zyklon – even assuming it remains based after it is subjected to college indoctrination – is going to be sufficient to rescue America from another decade’s worth of business-as-usual population replacement.

  15. peterAUS says:

    You guys read the book?
    I have.
    Surreal ….twilight zone.

    Why nobody mentioned that disorganization, lack of structure, simple chaos in White House?
    Under-staffing……staff turnover?
    No real vision? Not even main objectives?
    Lack of processes and procedures in major decision making?
    Chaotic execution of those decisions?

    Running the world hyperpower as running a business?

    You make a wrong business decision you lose money.
    You make a wrong superpower decision you lose carrier group.

    You make a really bad business decision you get bankrupt.
    You make a really bad decision as a nuclear superpower you lose human race.

    Oh, BTW, didn’t Trump go through a bankruptcy or two?
    Maybe we are looking to going through a nuclear war or two?

    Or all that isn’t really important?

    I am not an American. Maybe for Americans that’s O.K.
    I am sure that for the rest of the world all that is…….slightly worrying.

    • Replies: @Coemgen
    , @bruceAUS
  16. bjondo says:

    “fire and fury”
    better title
    “bull and sh*t”

  17. peterAUS says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    But I fear that the blue wave provoked by Trump and Co.’s incompetence is going to submerge the Alt Right ship for at least the next decade.

    Best case scenario.

    Worst case, watch “The Day After”.

    Is there a ….mechanism……to put all that…chaos….in order?
    Some Senate, Congress, whatever committee, working group…..something…anything?

    To organize workings of the Administration as it’s supposed to be?
    To run the nuclear superpower as the most powerful state on Earth, not as a construction business?

    Or we’ll have Ivanka creating the strategy for dealing with North Korea?
    Among other things.
    And who knows who and how is going to execute all that. Or not.

  18. @Anatoly Karlin

    Them too. When’s that San Andreas Fault gonna do its job, dammit?

  19. @Anatoly Karlin

    Tragedy is, the first American nationalist President just had to have rapidly deteriorating dementia.

    This strikes me as fake news. Trump’s unscripted interviews with journalists have been sharp. His press conferences are very well done as well.

    That said, Trump is seventy years old. He also sleeps just four hours a night, has a very poor diet, does not do any strenuous exercise (at least he golfs), is seriously overweight, and is on a statin medication.

    So even if he’s sharp now, that doesn’t mean he’ll be sharp in a few years.

    I wasn’t around to see it, but older people say Reagan clearly deteriorated mentally during his Presidency. In general septuagenarians cannot be expected to maintain a high level of performance.

    America’s next best hope is Paul Nehlen and the like.

    Paul Nehlen is now unelectable owing to revealing himself as an open antisemite.

    For the foreseeable future electoral politics will need to be conducted by “dog whistling”–unfortunately.

    So in the near term there’s more hope from people like Senator Tom Cotton.

    But I fear that the blue wave provoked by Trump and Co.’s incompetence is going to submerge the Alt Right ship for at least the next decade.

    I’m skeptical of this.

    The midterms will likely not go well (in fairness, other than in 2002 they never do), but as long as there’s no recession I don’t see why he wouldn’t be reelected in 2020. Most Presidents get reelected. The previous two one-term Presidents were defeated during economic recessions (and in Carter’s case, the embarrassing Iran hostage fiasco as well).

    In 2020 we might well have 3% national unemployment and Dow at 40,000. The former will retain the blue collar vote and the latter will bring back some of the “educated” Republican vote that partially defected last year.

    Of course there could be a recession before then as we are now entering the ninth year of economic expansion, and if the Democrats succeed in nominating an economic populist for once then Trump can be brought down.

    Fortunately the Democrats are likely to draw the wrong lesson from Roy Moore’s defeat and double down on SJW politics.

    • Replies: @Mitleser
  20. @Anatoly Karlin

    America’s next best hope is Paul Nehlen and the like.

    Shee-it. America’s next best, and only hope, is revolution. A strategy for organization and inter-regional bloc communication must be developed along with some sort of fireteam creation and training. A cohesive (and coherent ;-) ) plan to secure the metroplexes must be put in place, and some sort of goal-oriented, published, viable ideology presented to the public at large.

  21. @Anatoly Karlin

    Yes, there is evidence of worsening dementia. Unfortunately, dementia tends to expand under stress.

  22. Randal says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    the first American nationalist President

    Not an American nationalist (arguably closer to Israeli nationalist than American, based upon actual policies so far), sadly, but imo the most American President for decades:

    In a passage that perhaps points to Trump’s underrated understanding of his unique political appeal, Wolff quotes an unnamed “foreign model” asking him: “What is this ‘white trash’?”

    “They’re people just like me,” says Trump, “only they’re poor.”

  23. Renoman says:

    My God now we’re gonna get Opera! American politics has been a total shit show since Nixon.

  24. Check this out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apB2J_rhV7g

    The author of the book is a known hack, and while politicians deserve no benefit of the doubt, neither do the journalists.

  25. Coemgen says:
    @Ali Choudhury

    You can get a summary of President Trump’s activities here: Presidential Actions.

  26. Right you are! Oprah will be the next POTUS. All she needs is the female and black vote to make it.

  27. Coemgen says:
    @peterAUS

    If you are Hillary Clinton and you make bad decisions such as:

    1. coordinating the overthrow of the Egyptian and Libyan governments in 2011
    2. using her personal email server for U.S. State Department business (also in 2011)
    3. stating that millions of U.S. voters belong in a “basket of deplorables” (is that some sort of camp?)
    4. …

    the international media will cover for you.

    Why would they want to cover for her you might ask? It’s because Hillary will always do whatever the media wants because, if she doesn’t do so, the media will start publicizing her bad decisions instead of downplaying them.

  28. peggy says:

    I am staying on Trumps team.I bet when we get our gray suited bores we will miss the chaos.He is a comet speeding along with the media and the establishment chasing behind him.The fact that he is at the head of the train and not the caboose is why he was successful.We should put on our seat belts this will not be dull.

  29. @Anatoly Karlin

    America’s next best hope is Paul Nehlen and the like.

    Paul Nehlen is the guy who admitted on Twitter he’s reading Kevin MacDonald, right? Does that strike you as a smart move? Seems exceedingly unlikely that people like him will ever gain any real influence (and maybe that’s for the better).

    • Replies: @lavoisier
    , @Anonymous
  30. @Thorfinnsson

    How can you ignore Trump’s unending stream of lies?

  31. Art Deco says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    You’re seriously disoriented. Nehlen is a businessman in Wisconsin who in his one attempt at electoral politics was shellacked by Paul Ryan of all people. He’s now made himself toxic by dabbling in tripe that Unz denizens find perfectly reasonable but normal people find to be poisonous nonsense.

    I have the impression that the people babbling about Trump’s ‘dementia’ have never seen dementia up close and personal.

    (And, re Reagan, his doctor has said in the intervening years that there wasn’t anything up ca. 1987 that was not consistent with the normal aging process; Maureen Reagan said she noticed nothing amiss until mid 1993).

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @lavoisier
    , @Meimou
    , @Danindc
  32. Art Deco says:

    Wolff has a dreadful reputation among ordinary journalists and he himself has made admissions against interest over the years concerning his trustworthyness and veracity. I’ve no clue why anyone thinks this book is worth reading or discussing.

  33. rogue-one says:

    > I want a gray, boring, politically skillful Trumpets.

    Seems impossible. The Trump-ist movement is opposed by the entire deep state, media, and civil organizations. The only way to break this siege is through charismatic leadership that can overcome bureaucratic huddles. Unfortunately, charismatic leaders are not the most sensible ones.

    I would take a cunning, politically skillful, charismatic, entertaining leader over Trump because a boring one would be killed by media.

  34. Everybody knows the Chinese wish.
    May you live in interesting times.
    So we should be all happy, and look to future.
    Times will become even more interesting.

  35. @Stephen R. Diamond

    How can you ignore Trump’s unending stream of lies?

    How can you tell the difference? Lies flow from Washington like shit from a bull.

    You must get your news from the MSM.

  36. @Art Deco

    Trump’s hilarious reaction and the minimal denials from the parties quoted.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
  37. @Art Deco

    There are a few interesting excerpts. Wolff is a serial exaggerator, but it wouldn’t surprise me if this passage were true:

    There was Hope Hicks and the president, living in what other West Wingers characterized as an alternative universe in which the mainstream media would yet discover the charm and wisdom of Donald Trump. Where past presidents might have spent portions of their day talking about the needs, desires, and points of leverage among various members of Congress, the president and Hicks spent a great deal of time talking about a fixed cast of media personalities, trying to second-guess the real agendas and weak spots among cable anchors and producers and Times and Post reporters.

    Often the focus of this otherworldly ambition was directed at Times reporter Maggie Haberman. Haberman’s front-page beat at the paper, which might be called the “weirdness of Donald Trump” beat, involved producing vivid tales of eccentricities, questionable behavior, and shit the president says, told in a knowing, deadpan style. Beyond acknowledging that Trump was a boy from Queens yet in awe of the Times, nobody in the West Wing could explain why he and Hicks would so often turn to Haberman for what would so reliably be a mocking and hurtful portrayal. There was some feeling that Trump was returning to scenes of past success: the Times might be against him, but Haberman had worked at the New York Post for many years. “She’s very professional,” Conway said, speaking in defense of the president and trying to justify Haberman’s extraordinary access. But however intent he remained on getting good ink in the Times, the president saw Haberman as “mean and horrible.” And yet, on a nearweekly basis, he and Hicks plotted when next to have the Times come in.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
    , @Art Deco
  38. bruceAUS says:
    @peterAUS

    “I am sure that for the rest of the world all that is…….slightly worrying.”

    Compared to what? Your fantasy about ‘the world’ from dubious sources (including the BBC)?

    Australia’s experience with the USA was most noticeable during the Pacific War. Anyone could have said all the same things you say above about US conduct of that war and worse, yet the achievement was breathtaking.

    We Australians have been whinging about the US ever since, as if they are our sugar daddies, so precious and parasitic have we become. We have nothing to teach them.

    Study personal accounts of Aussies in the Pacific War about ‘the Yanks’. From whining to awe and respect among those Aussies who got to see ‘the Yanks’ up close. They do things differently on a scale we have not experienced. Judge by result and comparison to real world examples.

  39. @Ali Choudhury

    Everybody knows the Chinese wish.
    May you live in interesting times.

    This particular shibboleth is amusing, but may not be of Chinese origin.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  40. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Art Deco

    He’s now made himself toxic by dabbling in tripe that Unz denizens find perfectly reasonable but normal people find to be poisonous nonsense.

    Well that is a reasonable argument! Normal people find it to be nonsense that Jewish tribal behavior may be hostile to white European interests.

    You may be right about that. Normal people see no evil, hear no evil and are quite comfortable living in the matrix.

    Dismissing something as tripe means nothing.

    That this work is not flattering to Jewish behavior is true. That it is all nonsense is arguable.

    Care to argue and not make pronouncements excathedra or exnarrativa?

    • Replies: @Randal
  41. lavoisier says: • Website
    @German_reader

    Yes. The gas chambers are going to be fired up quickly if a guy like Nehlen gets into office for sure instead of the noble and patriotic Paul Ryan who always puts American interests first.

    And while we are at it, and for the good of society, all right thinking Americans should try to ban that book as well!

  42. I have but one observation,

    I am an unabashed conservative. And globalism and intervention as means of hegemonic global ownership with all of its troubles, are not staples of conservative thought. It’s introduction is relatively new.

  43. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Thorfinnsson

    The issue with Trump isn’t that he’s entertaining, but rather that he’s nonintellectual. This allows him to be bamboozled by swamp creatures about matters like DACA.

    Trump comes to the right position on issues (immigration, travel ban, etc.) because he’s not well-read, and, consequently, his common sense hasn’t been overwritten by globalist/P.C. education (granted, Trump is an Ivy League alumnus, but I doubt Wharton was too pozzed 50 years ago).

    As I put it recently, it takes in-person tutoring from 4-star generals and former Goldman Sachs execs to get Trump to see the emperor’s invisible clothes.

  44. Randal says:
    @lavoisier

    There’s a dynamic here on Unz that regularly at least amuses and often infuriates me, whereby people are attracted here evidently because they find stuff that is to their liking that is suppressed in the mainstream, and it is usually either black/white “racist” or it is “anti-Semitic”. Often the people who are “red-pilled” on the one are absolutely normally indoctrinated about the contemptibility of the other, (or hate it for reasons of their own direct self-interest), and they spend lots of time emphasising its evil stupidity and how loathsomely taboo it is, completely ignoring the fact that their own views with regard to the other are viewed much the same way by most of respectable society.

    So you get the comedic spectacle of “racists” like Art Deco and german_reader declaring their self-righteous contempt for “anti-semites in exactly the same terms as “anti-Semites” here declare their contempt for them as “racists”. [I use both terms here with due caution - both are equally dishonest smear terms, each as regularly abused and mistreated as the other.]

    The two cases here are not by any means the same – german reader is mostly reasonable and his views on anti-Semitism are perhaps understandable in anyone brought up in and living in C20th/C21st Germany, given the history and the pervasive propaganda and social and legal constraints there, whereas Art Deco seems to operate here mostly as a neocon troll in pushing all the neocon agendas of military interventionism as well as being phobic about “anti-Semitism”.

    But it’s still amusing to see one bunch of marginalised excluded pariahs telling another bunch how marginalised, excluded and pariah-status they are.

    • Replies: @lavoisier
    , @German_reader
  45. @Johann Ricke

    Hey Jew why you do not want to talk to me?

  46. George Webb’s position on Bannon is pretty interesting. He’s a Trojan Horse.

    I don’t know why the rabid Zionism of both Bannon and Trump is so ignored. That makes them both Deep State complicit on too many things to overlook.

    I don’t want a grey boring Trumpist. I want to see Clinton hanging from the gallows and dozens of others lined up behind her.

  47. Personal taste & distaste aside, don’t forget that Trump did accomplish something. For instance, a small part of it is here: https://www.yahoo.com/news/10-promises-trump-kept-2017-2-121123027.html

    Trump is not all powerful; he’s a combination of vulgarity, stupidity & occasional flashes of brilliance; he’s the best what the decadent & stupid European/American civilization can get at this point of history.
    Bannon may be more palatable as an ideologue, but, in my opinion, he’s overrated.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  48. Art Deco says:
    @Johann Ricke

    Woolff used to write a regular column for New York magazine called “This Media Life”. I’m not surprised that’s what his imagination gins up.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
  49. @Bardon Kaldian

    You seem to be a little bit intelligent. But you still can’t get it.
    Trump answers very vary according to level of importance of the subject or the problem.
    If the matter is really very important than you will get very attentive very serious Trump.
    If matter not so important than you get quite opposite Trump.

    I did notice even on this site that every even trivial matters are treated with unbelievable attention and pedantry.

    So loosen up a little bit.

  50. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Randal

    Interesting Randal. But Art Deco is not a marginalized pariah, any more so than is John Derbyshire when it comes to the issue of the Jewish question and its impact on Western Civilization.

    Kevin MacDonald on the other hand is a pariah and has suffered enormously for his willingness to explore issues fraught with narrative challenge. I believe the man may soon face legal jeopardy in this land of the free for his courage in exploring issues that only the fearless dare challenge.

    The pariahs are comprised of anyone who dares to question the narrative and explore why certain things have happened in the past–with such destructive consequences to the well being of humanity.

    I believe, as does apparently Ron Unz and yourself, that the truth shall set one free.

    The people who understood things about human nature at its deepest level realized that suppression of thought, with all the evil that comes with that suppression, cannot lead to good outcomes.

    Rational argument is the best disinfectant. What I am troubled by is the willingness of so many people to shut down rational debate with personal attacks. This leads to nothing but oppression, evil, and ultimately mass murder.

    Human nature can only be circumscribed by rationality.

    • Replies: @Randal
    , @Art Deco
  51. anarchyst says:
    @Barnard

    The mainstream media has always been dishonest. From the “yellow journalism” of the late 1800s and early 1900s to today’s “fake news, journalism has shown its true (communist) roots.
    From the lies about the Spanish-American war to the New York Times’ walter duranty hiding the truth about and denying the artificially engineered and forced communist “famine” in the Ukraine, to the lies about the 1968 Viet Nam communist Tet offensive (a military victory for the South Vietnamese and American troops) reported by walter cronkite as a military defeat, cronkite and his ilk were successful in prolonging the Viet Nam war for years, giving “aid and comfort” to the enemy, who bragged about being supported by the U S media.
    Look at NBCs doctoring of GMC truck gas tanks, rigging them to explode, and the deliberate mischaracterization of George Zimmerman’s conversation withe the 911 dispatcher, deleting a key phrase, as well as showing Trayvon Martin as a 12-year-old rather than his more recent “thug” facebook picture.
    The media has become a “fifth column” of the government and is not to be trusted.
    To our advantage, we now have the internet, which gives the ability for ordinary citizens to be real “journalists”, quite often getting and reporting the story TRUTHFULLY before the mainstream media.
    In fact, there are calls by “mainstream media” to “license” journalists, in an attempt to keep these “citizen journalists” out…twenty years ago, any journalist suggesting such a scheme would have been thrown out, but nowadays…

  52. Randal says:
    @lavoisier

    But Art Deco is not a marginalized pariah, any more so than is John Derbyshire

    Neither of us knows who “Art Deco” is, so it’s not his person but only his opinions as expressed here that we can judge. Inasmuch as he has anti-immigration and other “racist” views, he would be punished and marginalised if he were to openly express or endorse those views, which is probably why he enjoys anonymous discussion of them here. As for John Derbyshire, I didn’t mention him, but he’s certainly a marginalised figure (pariah might be putting it a little strongly in his case) as a direct result of his expressing “racist” opinions. That’s what he was sacked from NR for and why he is published here and not in mainstream publications.

    There are differences of degree obviously, but the suppression techniques are the same in the case of both “anti-Semitism” and “racism”, and for the same reasons – powerful individuals, groups and lobbies wish to suppress politically and/or personally or tribally inconvenient truths and therefore socially engineer taboos to achieve that goal.

    What amuses and/or infuriates me is the sight of individual victims of that same process in its different applications actively reinforcing it against other victims. I do not expect them to agree with each other necessarily – the suppression of a pov does not necessarily make it right or valuable per se – but I would like to see some recognition that there is a common problem here and that there are grounds for at least not actively exacerbating the problem by reinforcing the taboo-isation process.

    The wiser or less directly self-interested among them might even come to understand that there are vitally important truths (deliberately) buried beneath both the racism and the anti-Semitism taboos.

    Kevin MacDonald on the other hand is a pariah and has suffered enormously for his willingness to explore issues fraught with narrative challenge

    He is indeed, as are all the “racists” who have been excluded from civil society for their opinions.

    I believe, as does apparently Ron Unz and yourself, that the truth shall set one free.

    The people who understood things about human nature at its deepest level realized that suppression of thought, with all the evil that comes with that suppression, cannot lead to good outcomes.

    Rational argument is the best disinfectant.

    I think we’re broadly on the same side here.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  53. peterAUS says:
    @Randal

    What amuses and/or infuriates me is the sight of individual victims of that same process in its different applications actively reinforcing it against other victims.

    with

    The wiser or less directly self-interested among them might even come to understand that there are vitally important truths (deliberately) buried beneath both the racism and the anti-Semitism taboos.

    Smart.

    As for this, though:

    The people who understood things about human nature at its deepest level realized that suppression of thought, with all the evil that comes with that suppression, cannot lead to good outcomes.

    Perhaps a touch too optimistic.

    I mean……everything needed for critical thought is publicly available. Data, methodology, everything.
    What lacks in that sphere is interest.

    Maybe people who rule over all of us understand human nature better than that quote.
    Maybe people into “wakening” people to truth are just overestimating that very people.
    And that is why we still have “free speech”, up to a point.
    Do “wakers” use free speech to “wake up” people?
    Or….powers that be use the “free speech” to keep an eye on people’s real thoughts? No need for police state, surveillance……just listen to all that talk and act accordingly.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  54. Art Deco says:
    @lavoisier

    Kevin MacDonald on the other hand is a pariah and has suffered enormously for his willingness to explore issues fraught with narrative challenge. I believe the man may soon face legal jeopardy in this land of the free for his courage in exploring issues that only the fearless dare challenge.

    He’s collecting a pension courtesy TIAA-CREF. I doubt he’s ‘suffering enormously’. Unlike John McAdams, the Cal State campus where he worked didn’t conjure an excuse to can him. It’s doubtful he’ll face any ‘legal jeopardy’.

    • Replies: @lavoisier
  55. Art Deco says:

    He is indeed, as are all the “racists” who have been excluded from civil society for their opinions.

    He hangs with Mark Weber. I imagine people familiar with both men might find that kinda creepy on MacDonald’s part.

  56. @Randal

    So you get the comedic spectacle of “racists” like Art Deco and german_reader declaring their self-righteous contempt for “anti-semites in exactly the same terms as “anti-Semites” here declare their contempt for them as “racists”

    I don’t feel contempt for antisemites (and I have no doubt that many of my own views would be considered “antisemitic” by today’s predominant standards), I just think that antisemitism as a theory to explain the whole world isn’t very realistic or productive. You’re also right that my German background does play a role here…I just can’t ignore the fact that not that long ago antisemitism in my own country led to mass murder on an unparalleled scale; so this does lead to certain reservations about some of the material on Unz review (e.g. Andrew Joyce’s writings), even though I believe there’s a lot to criticize about the role of Jewish organizations in Western countries today.
    As for Paul Nehlen, moral considerations aside, do you think it was a smart move for him to make all those anti-Jewish allusions on Twitter? Consensus even among most Unz review commenters seems to be that he destroyed his political career with that. If someone so comically lacking in self-restraint is the alt-right’s great hope, it’s pretty much over anyway.
    I mostly agree with you about Art_Deco though…it’s also pretty odd that he feels the need to look down on “Unz denizens” when he’s got comments with more than 400 000 words here.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  57. It hasn’t been possible to elect a man like Coolidge since the Kennedy era. People want bread and circuses, not chalkboards and math drills.

  58. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @German_reader

    MacDonald like Machiavelli should be privately studied and publicly denounced by all ambitious politicians.

  59. @Thorfinnsson

    I’d need a clinking garbage sack of proof that Bannon is a soak. His problem is that he looks like an old weatherbeaten Co. Mayo farmer, and is pronounced guilty by analogy (and genetics). It’s like saying Michael Wolff is obviously a mitteleuropaische serial killer, due to the resemblance.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  60. @Steve Gittelson

    I’m counting on the Yellowstone magma dome.

  61. @Steve Gittelson

    Well that’s Hillary stuffed then. Usually they ask oldies questions like “who’s the President right now?”, but that might lead to complications.

  62. Meimou says:
    @Art Deco

    If you’re to good for us feel free to leave.

  63. Danindc says:
    @Art Deco

    Agreed. Karolyn has his head up his ass. Nehlen? I like him but he’s ruined.
    Dementia? Did you watch that immigration presser? I wish I had his dementia. He was masterful although I hated the capitulation.

  64. @German_reader

    Soon you also will be able to come out from your closet.
    You worm.

    • Troll: German_reader
  65. @peterAUS

    You must have a verbal diarrhea. You do show all the symptoms. Go and see a doctor before its too late

  66. Rod1963 says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    You’re blowing smoke.

    You don’t even have a clue what rapidly deteriorating dementia looks like. None. It’s clear you never dealt with people who have it and how it effects them.

    Trump is doing pretty well for a 70 year old who eats burgers, doesn’t exercise and sleeps 4 hours a night. Considering Trump rolled into town with no friends in Congress and no real team to recruit a loyal WH staff, a DOJ and FBI that are outright hostile and unresponsive to him. He’s done as well as can be expected.

  67. Art Deco says:
    @Expletive Deleted

    It’s like saying Michael Wolff is obviously a mitteleuropaische serial killer, due to the resemblance.

    No, Newyorkaise practitioner of mail and wire fraud. Didn’t bother reading Burn Rate. IIRC, reviewers said Wolff more or less admitted to seeing his investors and business partners as marks and treating them accordingly. See also the account of the reporter whose son once had scheduled play dates with Wolff’s son. Said reporter said he was poleaxed to discover Wolff wanted information about said reporter, which Wolff Jr was instructed to pry out of said reporter’s son. Wolff is a sack of pus.

  68. Punju says:

    God bless Trump. He had the courage to articulate the issues facing this country and is trying his best to do what he can despite so much hostility from global interests and their lap dogs – the media, corporate interests, Liberals, Wall Street etc. etc.

    Not sure how much he would be able to accomplish but then at least he is trying.

  69. what I find extremely funny is people thinking trump can change anything at all.

    and derb is fine with everything about trump as long as trump agrees with him on immigration :)))

  70. @Steve Gittelson

    I would expect that dyslexia and/or ADD would as well.

  71. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Ali Choudhury

    To quote a long-term Trump staffer quoted in the book, Trump is “nothing but a f***ing fool.” Other than tax cuts for the rich and corporations what exactly has he delivered in his first year which is usually the only period when presidents accomplish anything? He is too petulant, lazy, prickly and distracted to deliver on his promise. The man has no philosophy beyond his own gratification.

    Trump will effectively end the war in Afghanistan. By cutting off a quarter-billion dollars of aid to Pakistan he will ensure that the Taliban will be strengthened and the ensuing clusterf*ck there will get so back it will be good PR to pull out.

  72. Yevardian says: • Website

    Dopey John Derbyshire just showed his true colors with his totally false, whiny new article dropping me (without which he would be nowhere) in favor of Sloppy Steve! Nobody had even heard of Sloppy Steve’s name before I very generously gave his dopey ideas visibility which they did not deserve! MAGA!

  73. Mitleser says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    The midterms will likely not go well (in fairness, other than in 2002 they never do), but as long as there’s no recession I don’t see why he wouldn’t be reelected in 2020. Most Presidents get reelected. The previous two one-term Presidents were defeated during economic recessions (and in Carter’s case, the embarrassing Iran hostage fiasco as well).

    In 2020 we might well have 3% national unemployment and Dow at 40,000. The former will retain the blue collar vote and the latter will bring back some of the “educated” Republican vote that partially defected last year.

    Trump will be too old. This problem will remain.

  74. @Stephen R. Diamond

    Because as with career politicians, lying is what the dumb down electorate actually WANT. You tell the truth about what the USA actually is at its bloodthirsty immature heart–like Ron Paul did– and you’ll be lucky to get out of the room alive.

  75. Art Deco says:

    You tell the truth about what the USA actually is at its bloodthirsty immature heart–like Ron Paul did– and you’ll be lucky to get out of the room alive.

    He didn’t tell the truth and he put in about 30 years in Congress in no danger. He was raking in low seven digit sums from his newsletters ca. 1993, even though he professed retrospectively to be unable to recall who produced the copy (in an office which employed 4 people).

    The real Ron Paul trafficks in crank monetary policy and crank historiography.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
  76. Pat Boyle says:
    @Steve Gittelson

    The San Andreas – the one that runs under the ocean as it runs past San Francisco – is believed to be stable for a century or more in Northern California. The Hayward Fault – which runs to the east of San Francisco right through the middle of Oakland – is the one to worry about.

  77. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Art Deco

    Is that a good thing Art or a bad thing?

    Should the man be allowed to write books and explore subjects that are controversial or not?

    Honest answer if you will.

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