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Steven Runciman’s 1951 History of the Crusades is nowadays regarded with some skepticism by serious scholars; but it’s the one I was raised on, and it’s wonderfully cynical. And for cynics, the story of the Children’s Crusade is especially satisfying. This Crusade was led by Stephen of Cloyes, “a shepherd-boy of about twelve years old,” according to Runciman. This lad had seen Christ in a vision. The Savior told him to preach the Crusade, so off he went. The King of France was not very sympathetic, but by the end of June a.d. 1212 Stephen was at the city of Vendôme in north-central France with thirty thousand followers, “not one over twelve years of age.”

Stephen led them all to Marseilles on the south coast, where he said the sea would part so they could walk to Palestine. This unaccountably failed to happen; but two merchants of Marseilles, Hugh the Iron and William the Pig, put seven ships at their disposal free of charge, for the glory of God, they said, and the Children’s Crusade set sail for the Holy Land.

It turned out those two merchants were in cahoots with the Muslim slave traders of North Africa. The pre-teen pilgrims ended up in the slave markets of Algeria, Egypt, and Baghdad. Runciman doesn’t tell us what happened to Stephen himself. Presumably he was enslaved with the rest of the kiddies.

Last weekend’s March for Our Lives in Washington, D.C. naturally brought the Children’s Crusade to mind. The numbers were bigger: 180,000 according to The New York Times. [March for Our Lives Highlights: Students Protesting Guns Say ‘Enough Is Enough’, March 24, 2018]If you scale for populations relative to the thirteenth century, though, they were likely comparable.

And to judge by Main Stream Media accounts, children were certainly to the fore. By those accounts this was in fact an uprising by the nation’s youth against an entrenched gun-loving establishment of evil old white men.

“Welcome to the revolution,” screeched 17-year-old Cameron Kasky to the assembled thousands.

From the New York Times story:

Planning for the events was spearheaded by a group of students from Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla., who have emerged as national anti-gun figures in the wake of the shooting that left 17 dead.

Ah, the idealism of youth! Is there anything in this Children’s Crusade to gladden the stony hearts of cynics?

You bet there is. If you’ve been wondering how a bunch of adolescents could manage the funding and organization of this march, and similar events nationwide, allow me to direct you to Daniel Greenfield‘s excellent bit of investigative reporting over at Front Page. Greenfield has done the spadework the Main Stream Media will not do, and uncovered the men behind the curtain. Sample quote:

March for Our Lives is funded by Hollywood celebs, it’s led by a Hollywood producer and its finances are routed through an obscure tax firm in [California’s San Fernando] Valley. Its treasurer and secretary are Washington D.C. pros. And a top funder of gun control agendas is also one of its directors.

[Who’s Really Behind March for Our Lives?, March 21, 2018]

As Greenfield points out, the deliberate obscurity and obfuscation behind the organization and funding of the March makes a sorry contrast with the National Rifle Association:

The NRA is maligned 24/7 and yet it’s completely obvious whom it represents … It represents its five million members. Anti-gun groups tend to represent shadowy networks.

And in fact the impression you got from MSM accounts — the impression I definitely got, that the Washington march was of youngsters, which is why I got to thinking about the Children’s Crusade — is false. An academic sociologist (University of Maryland sociologist Dana R. Fisher) analyzed the crowd and concluded that no more than ten percent were under eighteen. The average age was 49! To be fair to the media, this lady’s research was published in the Washington Post, but only as an op-ed. [Here’s who actually attended the March for Our Lives. (No, it wasn’t mostly young people.), by Dana R. Fisher, March 28, 2018] But you’d never have figured those facts from the news stories.

For a further dash of cynicism, note how, as always with these SJW glove puppets, the loud-heralded “revolution” turns out not to threaten anyone who actually holds actual power. Nitwits like that 17-year-old Cameron Kasky really seem to think they are sticking it to the man when, as Ramzpaul jeered on another occasion, “You are the man!”

Similarly with 17-year-old David Hogg, the foul-mouthed young twerp who seems to fancy himself the Stephen of Cloyes in this Children’s Crusade of 49-year-olds. “Who here is going to vote in the 2018 election?” he asked the crowd. “If you listen real close, you can hear the people in power shaking,” end quote.

No, David. What has the people in power shaking is the thought that if, as their hearts desire, they were to stage a coup and establish a Chinese-style panopticon of thought control and repression of dissent, they might find themselves opposed by millions of armed citizens.

These self-styled “revolutionaries” believe everything that those “people in power” believe: everything billionaires like Jeff Bezos and Mark Zuckerberg believe, everything every corporate HR Director believes, everything the academics and church leaders and media talking heads and Hollywood glitterati believe.

If this is revolution, Louis the Sixteenth and Tsar Nicholas the Second were foaming revolutionaries.

What I want to know is: Where are t he Muslim slave traders when we really need them?

Irrelevant final thought: The rise to fame of young David Hogg brought to my mind the only other famous Hogg I know: Quintin Hogg, later Lord Hailsham, who enlivened British politics all through my teen and young-adult years.

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A conservative Tory, a patriot and veteran (in spite of having been too young for the First World War and too old for the Second), and an effective and useful government minister, Hogg was known to us mainly for transmitting the message, in all he said and did, that politics was fun.

What a contrast with the angry, glowering, 17-year-old David Hogg, to whom — as to most Progressives — politics is a war of the righteous against the legions of Satan.

Quintin Hogg certainly enjoyed the pleasures of the table. My own MP, Reggie Paget, who was of the other party, famously took advantage of this to deliver a witty insult.

This was at the time of the Profumo sex scandal in 1963. Hogg’s government colleague, War Minister John Profumo, had resigned after being caught lying about his private life. Quintin Hogg attacked Profumo fiercely on TV. Reggie Paget responded to Hogg’s attack by observing that

When self-indulgence has reduced a man to the shape of Lord Hailsham, sexual continence involves no more than a sense of the ridiculous.

2010-12-24dl[1] John Derbyshire [email him] writes an incredible amount on all sorts of subjects for all kinds of outlets. (This no longer includes National Review, whose editors had some kind of tantrum and fired him. ) He is the author of We Are Doomed: Reclaiming Conservative Pessimism and several other books. He has had two books published by VDARE.com com:FROM THE DISSIDENT RIGHT (also available in Kindle) and FROM THE DISSIDENT RIGHT II: ESSAYS 2013.

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  1. dearieme says:

    “The pre-teen pilgrims ended up in the slave markets of Algeria, Egypt, and Baghdad.” Presumably in somewhat abbreviated form.

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  2. Marching these Parkland kids into the holds of ships then selling them into slavery to Muslims seems like a good plan to me. Hogg already looks like he has been neutered.

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    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "Marching these Parkland kids into the holds of ships then selling them into slavery to Muslims seems like a good plan to me."

    Typical fascist standard fare on your part. Perhaps you can write new material.

    "You bet there is. If you’ve been wondering how a bunch of adolescents could manage the funding and organization of this march, and similar events nationwide..."

    Which, Mr. Derbyshire, is a red herring. Unless, of course, he wants to talk about who funds his own efforts.
    , @Twodees Partain
    Hogg's skull is deformed. His head looks like a warped light bulb.
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  3. It is really disgraceful how many people in the media have been attacking the Parkland kids. It actually makes the pro-gun lobbying movement look more juvenile than the high school activists. Even Mr. Derbyshire with his UK education seems to have had his central nervous system infected with gun fever due to overexposure to gunpowder fumes.

    Parkland survivors have every right to protest gun laws in view of the fact that the danger of the Parkland shooter was known to everyone for years, and yet there seemed to be no legal way to disarm him available to law enforcement and social services in his area.

    The NRA would do well to step out of the way before it is flattened by a tsunami of popular opinion. How do we really know who the five million members of the NRA are? Are there really 5 million? Who audits the numbers? What percentage of NRA spokespeople are simply retail gun owners versus people who are involved in dealing in guns for profit, or lobbying for profit?

    David Hogg will most likely be a successful politician of some kind before he is much older, since success in politics in the US is 90% related purely to name recognition, which he will have for many years to come. Probably he will be running for President as Republican candidate by the time he is 40. Of course there will be the allegations that he was born in Africa and delivered by a stork, and all the rest of it, but if he can jump that hurdle, he probably has a political career ahead that will take in issues other than arms control.

    Other famous Hoggs include Boss Hogg from the Dukes of Hazard, and Peter Hogg the UK airline pilot who buried his wife in Britain’s deepest lake after a marital tiff.

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    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    That's good "Concern Trolling" you got there, especially about how the NRA should just step aside and allow you gun controllers to simply occupy the entire public debate.

    Don't you realize that YOU control "The Megaphone?"

    Listen to Public Radio; it's all YOU gun controllers. Same with the newspapers.

    Gun owners just have the Internet, and it's YOU who are even trying to cut that off.

    Gun owners should keep going and identify the financiers of Gun Control.

    The final result will I am sure be the billionaires.
    , @Grey Stalwart
    No, what's disgraceful is the fact that the MSM has turned the 1st Amendment inside out protecting a group of people too young to vote who are trying destroy the 2nd Amendment. And people like you are too ideological to defend due process. You fail to recognize the difference between activism and policy making. The former is equivalent to wanting electricity from a river while the later is building Hoover Dam. Children do NOT grasp complexity.
    There WAS and IS a "legal way to disarm him available to law enforcement and social services in his area." The case was bungled by the FBI, state of Florida, and the school district. Personal accountability gets sacrificed on the alter of a liberal vendetta. I am mystified as to why liberals want to INCREASE law enforcement after eight years marked by emptying prisons, lax enforcement and, hobbling the police. What is it that you really want? Chaos?
    , @Anonymous
    Foreigners such as you and Derbyshire reveal your ignorance of our country in so many simple ways, such as not knowing the most famous Hogg of all, Ima Hogg.
    , @David

    yet there seemed to be no legal way to disarm him available to law enforcement and social services in his area
     
    This is wrong. Cruz threatened to kill several people on a few occasions, felonies each one. If he had been charged for it, he wouldn't have been able to arm himself.
    , @jimbojones
    Perhaps suffering imparts some empathy and resilience. But it does not endow one with special moral knowledge or intellectual prowess.
    Nor to children know better than adults. We should all remember that, from when we were children.

    So we have a double-whammy here. The Parkland kids have the right to say whatever they want - but it would be insanity to pay them any serious attention. They and the Hogg kid are being used as a battering ram of sanctimony and sentimentality by mendacious political operatives looking to stir up enthusiasm for the fall mid-term elections.

    The attention people and the media give these kids is a sign of the immaturity and shrillness of political discourse in 2018.
    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    The video clip at the end of this article suggests that Hogg's rhetorical skills - particularly the body language - ensure him a great political future: https://www.libertyheadlines.com/youtube-puts-warning-satirical-video-david-hogg/
    , @n230099

    "How do we really know who the five million members of the NRA are? Are there really 5 million?"
     
    I would posit that it's irrelevant. The "power" over the legislative structure...the real power...lies with the remaining 76(+/-) million firearms owners that cross all demographics of gender, race political 'orientation' and socio-economic strata. In fact there are 10s of millions of democrat gun owners. These 76M gun owners are watchful and communicate with their legislators often. I submit that it is to them that the legislators ultimately respond while those that rely on a bogeyman to try to make sense of things rail against the (rather minor BTW) NRA lobby.
    , @Mr. Anon

    It is really disgraceful how many people in the media have been attacking the Parkland kids.
     
    No, what is disgraceful is the way that so many people have deferred to them. There is a reason why children are not allowed to vote. They are childish. They should not be making policy. The Parkland kids have chosen to make themselves public figures, so they can damned well put up with public scrutiny. They don't get a pass. If they do, then every movement will simply find itself some adolescent human-shields to hide behind.

    Parkland survivors have every right to protest gun laws in view of the fact that the danger of the Parkland shooter was known to everyone for years, and yet there seemed to be no legal way to disarm him available to law enforcement and social services in his area.
     
    This is simply a lie. There were any number of actions on the part of the shooter that would have permitted him to be arrested or temporarily committed. Both of which would have prevented him from legally buying a gun. The school and local authorities chose not to do so, for whatever reason. They had a deliberate policy of not taking legal action against minority students, in order to close the disciplinary gap. Perhaps Cruz was spared the attention of the authorites because his name was Cruz.

    The NRA would do well to step out of the way before it is flattened by a tsunami of popular opinion.
     
    The NRA would do well continuing to do what they have always done: represent American citizens who want to preserve their historic rights against the enablers of tyranny. Like you.

    How do we really know who the five million members of the NRA are? Are there really 5 million?
     
    Several million at least. Their magazine subscriptions suggest at least 3.5 million. And there are many members who opt not to get their magazines. They represent far more actual public opinion than David Hogg and his string-pullers.
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  4. unit472 says:

    Someone pointed out David Hogg bears a striking resemblance to rampage gunman Elliot Rodger so I was disappointed UCSB rejected his application. Still I’m hoping his new found Hollywood pals will see the resemblance too and cast Hogg in the role of the sexually starved and fame seeking Rodger in the film version of ‘Day of Retribution’!

    I am alarmed though that the bald Emma Menendez will be attending The New College of Florida just down the road from me in Sarasota. While this will surely prepare her for a lifetime of low wages and high student loan debt, I really don’t want to see her walking around town.

    What is sure to make these Parkland brown nosers jealous though is the genuine support Nikolas Cruz is receiving from actual teen aged girls across America. It seems the Broward jail is receiving all manner of letters, cards , revealing photographs and even money from female admirers eager to make Cruz their boyfriend.

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    "He ain't no delinquent, he's misunderstood."
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  5. @Jonathan Mason
    It is really disgraceful how many people in the media have been attacking the Parkland kids. It actually makes the pro-gun lobbying movement look more juvenile than the high school activists. Even Mr. Derbyshire with his UK education seems to have had his central nervous system infected with gun fever due to overexposure to gunpowder fumes.

    Parkland survivors have every right to protest gun laws in view of the fact that the danger of the Parkland shooter was known to everyone for years, and yet there seemed to be no legal way to disarm him available to law enforcement and social services in his area.

    The NRA would do well to step out of the way before it is flattened by a tsunami of popular opinion. How do we really know who the five million members of the NRA are? Are there really 5 million? Who audits the numbers? What percentage of NRA spokespeople are simply retail gun owners versus people who are involved in dealing in guns for profit, or lobbying for profit?

    David Hogg will most likely be a successful politician of some kind before he is much older, since success in politics in the US is 90% related purely to name recognition, which he will have for many years to come. Probably he will be running for President as Republican candidate by the time he is 40. Of course there will be the allegations that he was born in Africa and delivered by a stork, and all the rest of it, but if he can jump that hurdle, he probably has a political career ahead that will take in issues other than arms control.

    Other famous Hoggs include Boss Hogg from the Dukes of Hazard, and Peter Hogg the UK airline pilot who buried his wife in Britain's deepest lake after a marital tiff.

    That’s good “Concern Trolling” you got there, especially about how the NRA should just step aside and allow you gun controllers to simply occupy the entire public debate.

    Don’t you realize that YOU control “The Megaphone?”

    Listen to Public Radio; it’s all YOU gun controllers. Same with the newspapers.

    Gun owners just have the Internet, and it’s YOU who are even trying to cut that off.

    Gun owners should keep going and identify the financiers of Gun Control.

    The final result will I am sure be the billionaires.

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  6. Corvinus says:
    @Chris Mallory
    Marching these Parkland kids into the holds of ships then selling them into slavery to Muslims seems like a good plan to me. Hogg already looks like he has been neutered.

    “Marching these Parkland kids into the holds of ships then selling them into slavery to Muslims seems like a good plan to me.”

    Typical fascist standard fare on your part. Perhaps you can write new material.

    “You bet there is. If you’ve been wondering how a bunch of adolescents could manage the funding and organization of this march, and similar events nationwide…”

    Which, Mr. Derbyshire, is a red herring. Unless, of course, he wants to talk about who funds his own efforts.

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    Nope, not fascist at all. Consider it just punishment for a group of Jewish agitators trying to turn White Americans into slaves.

    If you don't like what I write, mute me.
    , @Wally
    said:
    "Typical fascist standard fare on your part."

    Comrade Corvinus, please define "fascist" for us.
    , @Beefcake the Mighty
    Cuck.
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  7. El Dato says:

    Which, Mr. Derbyshire, is a red herring.

    How is that a red herring?

    I, for one, am interested in what’s behind a “groundswell”/”grassroots” organization prepending to speak “for all of us”. Who knows, it could be some very powerful types having agendas. Or even “Putin”.

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    I, for one, am interested in what’s behind a “groundswell”/”grassroots” organization prepending to speak “for all of us”.
     
    This is largely irrelevant, but what are the views of interested stakeholders such as Florida teachers, law enforcement agencies, and parents? Are they fiercely lobbying for more armed teachers, a military presence in every school, bulletproof school uniforms, gun turrets and armor plating on school buses, and so on? If so, they don't get much media coverage.

    No less a dignitary that the President of the United States has encouraged people to stand up to the NRA and expose its bullshit, so why should people not follow his lead?

    https://nypost.com/2018/02/28/trump-stands-up-for-gun-sanity/

    Actually I totally agree with the NRA that there is no need or reason to abolish the Second Amendment. The reason is that it is totally irrelevant to the case in point.

    http://www2.law.ucla.edu/volokh/beararms/FEDERALI.HTM
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  8. Interesting that Greenfield’s article cites a strong LA connection to the march and Hogg’s college rejections were in the LA area.

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  9. @Chris Mallory
    Marching these Parkland kids into the holds of ships then selling them into slavery to Muslims seems like a good plan to me. Hogg already looks like he has been neutered.

    Hogg’s skull is deformed. His head looks like a warped light bulb.

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    Forceps baby?
    , @renfro
    Hogg looks like stick with a lop sided head stuck on it. I saw no signs of grief for his dead classmates in his act , only opportunism to use it for fame.
    Dollars to doughnuts he's a young psychopath.
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  10. @Jonathan Mason
    It is really disgraceful how many people in the media have been attacking the Parkland kids. It actually makes the pro-gun lobbying movement look more juvenile than the high school activists. Even Mr. Derbyshire with his UK education seems to have had his central nervous system infected with gun fever due to overexposure to gunpowder fumes.

    Parkland survivors have every right to protest gun laws in view of the fact that the danger of the Parkland shooter was known to everyone for years, and yet there seemed to be no legal way to disarm him available to law enforcement and social services in his area.

    The NRA would do well to step out of the way before it is flattened by a tsunami of popular opinion. How do we really know who the five million members of the NRA are? Are there really 5 million? Who audits the numbers? What percentage of NRA spokespeople are simply retail gun owners versus people who are involved in dealing in guns for profit, or lobbying for profit?

    David Hogg will most likely be a successful politician of some kind before he is much older, since success in politics in the US is 90% related purely to name recognition, which he will have for many years to come. Probably he will be running for President as Republican candidate by the time he is 40. Of course there will be the allegations that he was born in Africa and delivered by a stork, and all the rest of it, but if he can jump that hurdle, he probably has a political career ahead that will take in issues other than arms control.

    Other famous Hoggs include Boss Hogg from the Dukes of Hazard, and Peter Hogg the UK airline pilot who buried his wife in Britain's deepest lake after a marital tiff.

    No, what’s disgraceful is the fact that the MSM has turned the 1st Amendment inside out protecting a group of people too young to vote who are trying destroy the 2nd Amendment. And people like you are too ideological to defend due process. You fail to recognize the difference between activism and policy making. The former is equivalent to wanting electricity from a river while the later is building Hoover Dam. Children do NOT grasp complexity.
    There WAS and IS a “legal way to disarm him available to law enforcement and social services in his area.” The case was bungled by the FBI, state of Florida, and the school district. Personal accountability gets sacrificed on the alter of a liberal vendetta. I am mystified as to why liberals want to INCREASE law enforcement after eight years marked by emptying prisons, lax enforcement and, hobbling the police. What is it that you really want? Chaos?

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    @Jonathan Mason
    It is really disgraceful how many people in the media have been attacking the Parkland kids. It actually makes the pro-gun lobbying movement look more juvenile than the high school activists. Even Mr. Derbyshire with his UK education seems to have had his central nervous system infected with gun fever due to overexposure to gunpowder fumes.

    Parkland survivors have every right to protest gun laws in view of the fact that the danger of the Parkland shooter was known to everyone for years, and yet there seemed to be no legal way to disarm him available to law enforcement and social services in his area.

    The NRA would do well to step out of the way before it is flattened by a tsunami of popular opinion. How do we really know who the five million members of the NRA are? Are there really 5 million? Who audits the numbers? What percentage of NRA spokespeople are simply retail gun owners versus people who are involved in dealing in guns for profit, or lobbying for profit?

    David Hogg will most likely be a successful politician of some kind before he is much older, since success in politics in the US is 90% related purely to name recognition, which he will have for many years to come. Probably he will be running for President as Republican candidate by the time he is 40. Of course there will be the allegations that he was born in Africa and delivered by a stork, and all the rest of it, but if he can jump that hurdle, he probably has a political career ahead that will take in issues other than arms control.

    Other famous Hoggs include Boss Hogg from the Dukes of Hazard, and Peter Hogg the UK airline pilot who buried his wife in Britain's deepest lake after a marital tiff.

    Foreigners such as you and Derbyshire reveal your ignorance of our country in so many simple ways, such as not knowing the most famous Hogg of all, Ima Hogg.

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  12. David says:
    @Jonathan Mason
    It is really disgraceful how many people in the media have been attacking the Parkland kids. It actually makes the pro-gun lobbying movement look more juvenile than the high school activists. Even Mr. Derbyshire with his UK education seems to have had his central nervous system infected with gun fever due to overexposure to gunpowder fumes.

    Parkland survivors have every right to protest gun laws in view of the fact that the danger of the Parkland shooter was known to everyone for years, and yet there seemed to be no legal way to disarm him available to law enforcement and social services in his area.

    The NRA would do well to step out of the way before it is flattened by a tsunami of popular opinion. How do we really know who the five million members of the NRA are? Are there really 5 million? Who audits the numbers? What percentage of NRA spokespeople are simply retail gun owners versus people who are involved in dealing in guns for profit, or lobbying for profit?

    David Hogg will most likely be a successful politician of some kind before he is much older, since success in politics in the US is 90% related purely to name recognition, which he will have for many years to come. Probably he will be running for President as Republican candidate by the time he is 40. Of course there will be the allegations that he was born in Africa and delivered by a stork, and all the rest of it, but if he can jump that hurdle, he probably has a political career ahead that will take in issues other than arms control.

    Other famous Hoggs include Boss Hogg from the Dukes of Hazard, and Peter Hogg the UK airline pilot who buried his wife in Britain's deepest lake after a marital tiff.

    yet there seemed to be no legal way to disarm him available to law enforcement and social services in his area

    This is wrong. Cruz threatened to kill several people on a few occasions, felonies each one. If he had been charged for it, he wouldn’t have been able to arm himself.

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    Obviously not true.
    He could have got a gun illegally.
    This gun control fever is utter bullshit.
    As I am wont to say, murder is already illegal .
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  13. @Corvinus
    "Marching these Parkland kids into the holds of ships then selling them into slavery to Muslims seems like a good plan to me."

    Typical fascist standard fare on your part. Perhaps you can write new material.

    "You bet there is. If you’ve been wondering how a bunch of adolescents could manage the funding and organization of this march, and similar events nationwide..."

    Which, Mr. Derbyshire, is a red herring. Unless, of course, he wants to talk about who funds his own efforts.

    Nope, not fascist at all. Consider it just punishment for a group of Jewish agitators trying to turn White Americans into slaves.

    If you don’t like what I write, mute me.

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    Nope, not fascist at all. Consider it just punishment for a group of Jewish agitators trying to turn White Americans into slaves."

    Absolutely it is fascist. You are advocating murder for people who are exercising their liberty and freedom to associate. PLUS, you are completely mischaracterizing the situation. Regardless, your "advice" will fall upon deaf ears, and you fortunately lack the guile and gumption as a low-T "man" to mete out that punishment.
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    Hogg seems to be Catholic--spouted some smugness about how Laura Ingraham ought to spend Holy Week. He, however, has refused to forgive her unless she goes through some public grovelling ritual designed by him, so I'm not sure if he's quite up on the "seventy times seven" thing in the Bible.
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  14. “You bet there is. If you’ve been wondering how a bunch of adolescents could manage the funding and organization of this march, and similar events nationwide…”

    There is an supposed e-mail from DHS stating that the March for Our Lives event applied for a permit several months ago and has been in planning for several months.

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  15. @El Dato

    Which, Mr. Derbyshire, is a red herring.
     
    How is that a red herring?

    I, for one, am interested in what's behind a "groundswell"/"grassroots" organization prepending to speak "for all of us". Who knows, it could be some very powerful types having agendas. Or even "Putin".

    I, for one, am interested in what’s behind a “groundswell”/”grassroots” organization prepending to speak “for all of us”.

    This is largely irrelevant, but what are the views of interested stakeholders such as Florida teachers, law enforcement agencies, and parents? Are they fiercely lobbying for more armed teachers, a military presence in every school, bulletproof school uniforms, gun turrets and armor plating on school buses, and so on? If so, they don’t get much media coverage.

    No less a dignitary that the President of the United States has encouraged people to stand up to the NRA and expose its bullshit, so why should people not follow his lead?

    https://nypost.com/2018/02/28/trump-stands-up-for-gun-sanity/

    Actually I totally agree with the NRA that there is no need or reason to abolish the Second Amendment. The reason is that it is totally irrelevant to the case in point.

    http://www2.law.ucla.edu/volokh/beararms/FEDERALI.HTM

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  16. What has the people in power shaking is the thought that if, as their hearts desire, they were to stage a coup and establish a Chinese-style panopticon of thought control and repression of dissent, they might find themselves opposed by millions of armed citizens.

    More and more of us are becoming aware of this truth and the importance of the Second Amendment.

    Also, thank you Mr. Derbyshire for describing the scenario as a “Chinese-style” system of repression. Too often here the smart people go on and on about the rise of the Han Chinese without mentioning what comes with it.

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    Also, thank you Mr. Derbyshire for describing the scenario as a “Chinese-style” system of repression.
     
    The problem is that western society has gone down the toilet precisely because we allowed way too much dissent. We allowed the cultural left to use freedom of speech to undermine all our values and beliefs.

    It's worth bearing in mind that freedom of speech was always intended as a tool of subversion. It was promoted in the 18th century by those who wanted to destroy their own civilisation.

    It's also worth bearing in mind that freedom of religion was always intended to lead to freedom from religion.

    We made a fetish of freedom and it brought us to ruin. The Chinese don't intend to make that mistake.
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    @Buzz Mohawk

    What has the people in power shaking is the thought that if, as their hearts desire, they were to stage a coup and establish a Chinese-style panopticon of thought control and repression of dissent, they might find themselves opposed by millions of armed citizens.
     
    More and more of us are becoming aware of this truth and the importance of the Second Amendment.

    Also, thank you Mr. Derbyshire for describing the scenario as a "Chinese-style" system of repression. Too often here the smart people go on and on about the rise of the Han Chinese without mentioning what comes with it.

    Also, thank you Mr. Derbyshire for describing the scenario as a “Chinese-style” system of repression.

    The problem is that western society has gone down the toilet precisely because we allowed way too much dissent. We allowed the cultural left to use freedom of speech to undermine all our values and beliefs.

    It’s worth bearing in mind that freedom of speech was always intended as a tool of subversion. It was promoted in the 18th century by those who wanted to destroy their own civilisation.

    It’s also worth bearing in mind that freedom of religion was always intended to lead to freedom from religion.

    We made a fetish of freedom and it brought us to ruin. The Chinese don’t intend to make that mistake.

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    "We made a fetish of freedom and it brought us to ruin."

    Which 'we' do you mean? If you mean Australia, when did that happen?
    , @Macon Richardson

    It’s also worth bearing in mind that freedom of religion was always intended to lead to freedom from religion.
     
    I see no logical relationship between freedom of religion and freedom from religion, much less an intent towards that goal. In the American system, Congress is prohibited from making laws that inhibit religion practices. In the French system, the municipal* government is prohibited from allowing religion to interfere with civil government.

    As to freedom of speech, in Britain the new capitalist class desired it to dislodge the vampire grip the ancient rentier class had on political and economic power. The same was true in France except it was more sudden and violent.

    * municipal is a term of art for national government and subordinate governmental entities within the national government.
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  18. Corvinus says:
    @Chris Mallory
    Nope, not fascist at all. Consider it just punishment for a group of Jewish agitators trying to turn White Americans into slaves.

    If you don't like what I write, mute me.

    Nope, not fascist at all. Consider it just punishment for a group of Jewish agitators trying to turn White Americans into slaves.”

    Absolutely it is fascist. You are advocating murder for people who are exercising their liberty and freedom to associate. PLUS, you are completely mischaracterizing the situation. Regardless, your “advice” will fall upon deaf ears, and you fortunately lack the guile and gumption as a low-T “man” to mete out that punishment.

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    I did not advocate murdering anyone. I advocated selling these alien invaders to our shores back to their Semite kinsmen.

    Trying to disarm Americas is trying to turn them into slaves. Free men are armed, slaves are not. Jews and Muslims for that matter should not be allowed any of the freedoms left to Americans by the Founders. Both groups are incompatible with Western Culture.


    "Punishment"? On a comment section? Sorry, I am not an internet tough guy, I don't make empty threats to people such as yourself.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    You are advocating murder for people who are exercising their liberty and freedom to associate.
     
    And you oppose it. Which makes you an Islamophobe.
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  19. No, David. What has the people in power shaking is the thought that if, as their hearts desire, they were to stage a coup and establish a Chinese-style panopticon of thought control and repression of dissent, they might find themselves opposed by millions of armed citizens.

    I don’t know when all the original paperwork went through after you immigrated to NY City, but you have just now become a patriotic American citizen, John Derbyshire. The laminated card is in the mail.

    It’s a shame that others never get this far …. some far, far from it, as evidenced right here in the comments.

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    Sorry, I didn't see Mr. Mohawk's comment of > 1 hour back, till after I wrote this. Either way, the comment stands.
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    No, David. What has the people in power shaking is the thought that if, as their hearts desire, they were to stage a coup and establish a Chinese-style panopticon of thought control and repression of dissent, they might find themselves opposed by millions of armed citizens.
     
    I don't know when all the original paperwork went through after you immigrated to NY City, but you have just now become a patriotic American citizen, John Derbyshire. The laminated card is in the mail.

    It's a shame that others never get this far .... some far, far from it, as evidenced right here in the comments.

    Sorry, I didn’t see Mr. Mohawk’s comment of > 1 hour back, till after I wrote this. Either way, the comment stands.

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  21. As for the rest of the article, the great thing about watching ZERO TV, is that I’ve neither seen a one of these deluded youngsters nor heard a word out of any of them. TV is made to bring out emotions, not thinking, as Jonathan Mason has showed us time and time again.

    Enough, Mr. Mason. We’ve heard your ignorance on this subject for the last month or so. Could you learn anything from the comments in reply to yours? I am one of the 5 million or so NRA members. I’d be glad to send you back issues of America’s First Freedom, if you provide an address. The first column to read would be “Armed Citizen” with 8-10 very short stories about self-defense in each.

    Oh yeah, I was thinking “Boss Hogg” too! I’d never heard of the other, just as “Jack Straw” to me, rather than evoking unknown things about some guy who used to work at the Home Office, evokes thoughts of Jack Straw from Wichita, who “cut his buddy down, dug for him a shallow grave, and laid his body down, half a mile from Tucson by the morning light. One man gone and another to go, my old buddy you’re movin’ much too slow – oh – oh ..”

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    "As for the rest of the article, the great thing about watching ZERO TV, is that I’ve neither seen a one of these deluded youngsters nor heard a word out of any of them. TV is made to bring out emotions, not thinking[.]"

    Yes. And to get everyone on the same page, so to speak -- Mr. Orwell was prescient in many ways, including about how a mass screening is a much more effective way to indoctrinate than, say, an official pamphlet or newspaper.

    And the medium infantilizes the rhetoric from all "sides." Even when I see here snippets of the apparently exceptional Tucker Carlson, the split screened five minutes of debate (?) are pretty underwhelming.

    Disengagement from mass media, especially television, also helps one realize that many of these public controversies are manufactured for your consumption. It takes two to tangle -- the people who employ Mr. Carlson and his ilk are manipulating you, too.

    Sadly, most people will always prefer to be told what to think, and to think about. Social media are more interactive, but through instant affirmation/rejection are even more effective than TV in defining what's acceptable.

    Even this forum thrives on strife, and can have the same effects on your life.

    We all should spend more time directly engaging our real families, friends, and neighbors. Unplug.

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  22. @dfordoom

    Also, thank you Mr. Derbyshire for describing the scenario as a “Chinese-style” system of repression.
     
    The problem is that western society has gone down the toilet precisely because we allowed way too much dissent. We allowed the cultural left to use freedom of speech to undermine all our values and beliefs.

    It's worth bearing in mind that freedom of speech was always intended as a tool of subversion. It was promoted in the 18th century by those who wanted to destroy their own civilisation.

    It's also worth bearing in mind that freedom of religion was always intended to lead to freedom from religion.

    We made a fetish of freedom and it brought us to ruin. The Chinese don't intend to make that mistake.

    “We made a fetish of freedom and it brought us to ruin.”

    Which ‘we’ do you mean? If you mean Australia, when did that happen?

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    Which ‘we’ do you mean? If you mean Australia, when did that happen?
     
    I mean the West.

    You have to ask yourself why certain groups have been so enthusiastic about various freedoms. The cultural left was very very keen on freedom of speech while they were still effectively the revolutionaries seeking to overthrow the political order. Once they got power they began (very wisely from their point of view) to restrict freedom of speech more and more. They know that freedom of speech is a tool for subversives and they don't intend to be subverted.
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  23. @Jonathan Mason
    It is really disgraceful how many people in the media have been attacking the Parkland kids. It actually makes the pro-gun lobbying movement look more juvenile than the high school activists. Even Mr. Derbyshire with his UK education seems to have had his central nervous system infected with gun fever due to overexposure to gunpowder fumes.

    Parkland survivors have every right to protest gun laws in view of the fact that the danger of the Parkland shooter was known to everyone for years, and yet there seemed to be no legal way to disarm him available to law enforcement and social services in his area.

    The NRA would do well to step out of the way before it is flattened by a tsunami of popular opinion. How do we really know who the five million members of the NRA are? Are there really 5 million? Who audits the numbers? What percentage of NRA spokespeople are simply retail gun owners versus people who are involved in dealing in guns for profit, or lobbying for profit?

    David Hogg will most likely be a successful politician of some kind before he is much older, since success in politics in the US is 90% related purely to name recognition, which he will have for many years to come. Probably he will be running for President as Republican candidate by the time he is 40. Of course there will be the allegations that he was born in Africa and delivered by a stork, and all the rest of it, but if he can jump that hurdle, he probably has a political career ahead that will take in issues other than arms control.

    Other famous Hoggs include Boss Hogg from the Dukes of Hazard, and Peter Hogg the UK airline pilot who buried his wife in Britain's deepest lake after a marital tiff.

    Perhaps suffering imparts some empathy and resilience. But it does not endow one with special moral knowledge or intellectual prowess.
    Nor to children know better than adults. We should all remember that, from when we were children.

    So we have a double-whammy here. The Parkland kids have the right to say whatever they want – but it would be insanity to pay them any serious attention. They and the Hogg kid are being used as a battering ram of sanctimony and sentimentality by mendacious political operatives looking to stir up enthusiasm for the fall mid-term elections.

    The attention people and the media give these kids is a sign of the immaturity and shrillness of political discourse in 2018.

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    The attention people and the media give these kids is a sign of the immaturity and shrillness of political discourse in 2018

    The Parkland kids are at least, for better or worse, sincere. Democratic politicians are for the most part such weasels and grifters that I am not surprised the left sees them as a breath of fresh air.
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  24. Wally says:
    @Corvinus
    "Marching these Parkland kids into the holds of ships then selling them into slavery to Muslims seems like a good plan to me."

    Typical fascist standard fare on your part. Perhaps you can write new material.

    "You bet there is. If you’ve been wondering how a bunch of adolescents could manage the funding and organization of this march, and similar events nationwide..."

    Which, Mr. Derbyshire, is a red herring. Unless, of course, he wants to talk about who funds his own efforts.

    said:
    “Typical fascist standard fare on your part.”

    Comrade Corvinus, please define “fascist” for us.

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  25. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Twodees Partain
    "We made a fetish of freedom and it brought us to ruin."

    Which 'we' do you mean? If you mean Australia, when did that happen?

    Which ‘we’ do you mean? If you mean Australia, when did that happen?

    I mean the West.

    You have to ask yourself why certain groups have been so enthusiastic about various freedoms. The cultural left was very very keen on freedom of speech while they were still effectively the revolutionaries seeking to overthrow the political order. Once they got power they began (very wisely from their point of view) to restrict freedom of speech more and more. They know that freedom of speech is a tool for subversives and they don’t intend to be subverted.

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  26. llloyd says: • Website

    The story of children leading and organising a mass movement is a poetic fiction. The boys always seem to be 12 on the cusp of adolesence. The Narnia stories are a more modern manifestation of it. Stephen of Cloyes may be historic but he was probably much older, the age of Stephen Hogg which is either official 17 or conspiracy 27.

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  27. @dfordoom

    Also, thank you Mr. Derbyshire for describing the scenario as a “Chinese-style” system of repression.
     
    The problem is that western society has gone down the toilet precisely because we allowed way too much dissent. We allowed the cultural left to use freedom of speech to undermine all our values and beliefs.

    It's worth bearing in mind that freedom of speech was always intended as a tool of subversion. It was promoted in the 18th century by those who wanted to destroy their own civilisation.

    It's also worth bearing in mind that freedom of religion was always intended to lead to freedom from religion.

    We made a fetish of freedom and it brought us to ruin. The Chinese don't intend to make that mistake.

    It’s also worth bearing in mind that freedom of religion was always intended to lead to freedom from religion.

    I see no logical relationship between freedom of religion and freedom from religion, much less an intent towards that goal. In the American system, Congress is prohibited from making laws that inhibit religion practices. In the French system, the municipal* government is prohibited from allowing religion to interfere with civil government.

    As to freedom of speech, in Britain the new capitalist class desired it to dislodge the vampire grip the ancient rentier class had on political and economic power. The same was true in France except it was more sudden and violent.

    * municipal is a term of art for national government and subordinate governmental entities within the national government.

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    In the French system, the municipal* government is prohibited from allowing religion to interfere with civil government.
     
    That French system has its roots in extreme hostility to Christianity. The aim of the French system is most certainly freedom from religion.
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  28. Renoman says:

    Down with the NRA, it’s time is long over. Time for common sense to surface, get rid of your lobby system it is eating you alive and making you look like fools.

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    Really? Wasn't the NRA involved with DC vs Heller which specifically incorporates the Second Amendment as applying to the States? Guess the Second Amendment actually has some relevance, in spite of what gun controllers say, huh?

    As for the "lobby system," I guess government edicts should only flow from top down, and that Americans should have no right to petition the government, right? Sort of like POTUS ordering DOJ to ban so-called " bump stocks" because he thinks he can via imperial edict, right?
    , @Wally
    Except that NRA membership is growing rapidly.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5461765/NRA-sees-huge-surge-membership-Parkland.html

    We also see that London, where guns are banned, now has as high a murder rate as NYC.

    http://abcnews.go.com/International/londons-murder-rate-overtakes-yorks-time-modern-history/story?id=54171310

    It's you who looks like a fool.
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  29. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    As for the rest of the article, the great thing about watching ZERO TV, is that I've neither seen a one of these deluded youngsters nor heard a word out of any of them. TV is made to bring out emotions, not thinking, as Jonathan Mason has showed us time and time again.

    Enough, Mr. Mason. We've heard your ignorance on this subject for the last month or so. Could you learn anything from the comments in reply to yours? I am one of the 5 million or so NRA members. I'd be glad to send you back issues of America's First Freedom, if you provide an address. The first column to read would be "Armed Citizen" with 8-10 very short stories about self-defense in each.

    Oh yeah, I was thinking "Boss Hogg" too! I'd never heard of the other, just as "Jack Straw" to me, rather than evoking unknown things about some guy who used to work at the Home Office, evokes thoughts of Jack Straw from Wichita, who "cut his buddy down, dug for him a shallow grave, and laid his body down, half a mile from Tucson by the morning light. One man gone and another to go, my old buddy you're movin' much too slow - oh - oh .."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAv71VbdkBc

    “As for the rest of the article, the great thing about watching ZERO TV, is that I’ve neither seen a one of these deluded youngsters nor heard a word out of any of them. TV is made to bring out emotions, not thinking[.]”

    Yes. And to get everyone on the same page, so to speak — Mr. Orwell was prescient in many ways, including about how a mass screening is a much more effective way to indoctrinate than, say, an official pamphlet or newspaper.

    And the medium infantilizes the rhetoric from all “sides.” Even when I see here snippets of the apparently exceptional Tucker Carlson, the split screened five minutes of debate (?) are pretty underwhelming.

    Disengagement from mass media, especially television, also helps one realize that many of these public controversies are manufactured for your consumption. It takes two to tangle — the people who employ Mr. Carlson and his ilk are manipulating you, too.

    Sadly, most people will always prefer to be told what to think, and to think about. Social media are more interactive, but through instant affirmation/rejection are even more effective than TV in defining what’s acceptable.

    Even this forum thrives on strife, and can have the same effects on your life.

    We all should spend more time directly engaging our real families, friends, and neighbors. Unplug.

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  30. What has the people in power shaking is the thought that if, as their hearts desire, they were to stage a coup and establish a Chinese-style panopticon of thought control and repression of dissent, they might find themselves opposed by millions of armed citizens.

    Not for a second do the people in power fear this. Derbyshire must realize, after a moment’s reflection, how ridiculous this statement is. People in power do not stage coups, because they are already in power. For all intents and purposes we already have a panopticon of thought control and repression of dissent in the US, and the number of citizens taking up arms is miniscule.

    The elites are quite good at playing 3 card monte to keep Americans distracted while the elites rob them blind. Look at Trump talking about walls he isn’t building while his Goldman Sachs buddies enrich themselves at tax payer expense. Real wage growth in the US in 2018 is predicted be lower than in 2017 (https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandtools/hr-topics/compensation/pages/2018-salary-forecast-us-global.aspx) but I don’t see any Americans going to the barricades. They are happy to focus on whatever made up controversy MSNBC and Fox News decide to feed them.

    For the most part guns in the United States act as nothing more than a tattered security blanket people cling to. Americans sacrificed most of their freedoms long ago, but as long as they are allowed to have an AR-15 they can target shoot with, they can convince themselves they are the last bastion of freedom.

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    What has the people in power shaking is the thought that if, as their hearts desire, they were to stage a coup and establish a Chinese-style panopticon of thought control and repression of dissent, they might find themselves opposed by millions of armed citizens.
     
    Not for a second do the people in power fear this. Derbyshire must realize, after a moment’s reflection, how ridiculous this statement is.
     
    Unfortunately the gun fetishists will never understand how ridiculous the statement is. They will cling to their fantasies of a mass uprising of brave patriots confronting the evil commie tyranny. For a lot of them that fantasy is all they have. They don't understand how politics works and they don't understand how power is exercised. It's still 1776 and they're going to shoot down the Redcoats with their Kentucky rifles. Right-wingers are as prone to living in fantasy la-la land as left-wingers.

    For the most part guns in the United States act as nothing more than a tattered security blanket people cling to. Americans sacrificed most of their freedoms long ago, but as long as they are allowed to have an AR-15 they can target shoot with, they can convince themselves they are the last bastion of freedom.
     
    Agreed.
    , @Wally
    said:
    " but as long as they are allowed to have an AR-15 they can target shoot with, they can convince themselves they are the last bastion of freedom."

    Yet everyone wants INTO the US, not out of it.

    A safe bet that you are not leaving either.
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  31. @jimbojones
    Perhaps suffering imparts some empathy and resilience. But it does not endow one with special moral knowledge or intellectual prowess.
    Nor to children know better than adults. We should all remember that, from when we were children.

    So we have a double-whammy here. The Parkland kids have the right to say whatever they want - but it would be insanity to pay them any serious attention. They and the Hogg kid are being used as a battering ram of sanctimony and sentimentality by mendacious political operatives looking to stir up enthusiasm for the fall mid-term elections.

    The attention people and the media give these kids is a sign of the immaturity and shrillness of political discourse in 2018.

    The attention people and the media give these kids is a sign of the immaturity and shrillness of political discourse in 2018

    The Parkland kids are at least, for better or worse, sincere. Democratic politicians are for the most part such weasels and grifters that I am not surprised the left sees them as a breath of fresh air.

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  32. KenH says:

    What I want to know is: Where are the Muslim slave traders when we really need them?

    Oh they’re still around if you look hard enough. But we’d probably have to give little boss Hogg and his shaved headed bull dyke sidekick away for free to ISIS and other Muslim slavers. Another option is to hand over Hogg and his teeny bopper Bolshevik entourage to Paki Muslim grooming gangs.

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  33. @Renoman
    Down with the NRA, it's time is long over. Time for common sense to surface, get rid of your lobby system it is eating you alive and making you look like fools.

    Really? Wasn’t the NRA involved with DC vs Heller which specifically incorporates the Second Amendment as applying to the States? Guess the Second Amendment actually has some relevance, in spite of what gun controllers say, huh?

    As for the “lobby system,” I guess government edicts should only flow from top down, and that Americans should have no right to petition the government, right? Sort of like POTUS ordering DOJ to ban so-called ” bump stocks” because he thinks he can via imperial edict, right?

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  34. @unit472
    Someone pointed out David Hogg bears a striking resemblance to rampage gunman Elliot Rodger so I was disappointed UCSB rejected his application. Still I'm hoping his new found Hollywood pals will see the resemblance too and cast Hogg in the role of the sexually starved and fame seeking Rodger in the film version of 'Day of Retribution'!

    I am alarmed though that the bald Emma Menendez will be attending The New College of Florida just down the road from me in Sarasota. While this will surely prepare her for a lifetime of low wages and high student loan debt, I really don't want to see her walking around town.

    What is sure to make these Parkland brown nosers jealous though is the genuine support Nikolas Cruz is receiving from actual teen aged girls across America. It seems the Broward jail is receiving all manner of letters, cards , revealing photographs and even money from female admirers eager to make Cruz their boyfriend.

    “He ain’t no delinquent, he’s misunderstood.”

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  35. @Twodees Partain
    Hogg's skull is deformed. His head looks like a warped light bulb.

    Forceps baby?

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    Forceps baby?
     
    Could be! My own daughter (5) is a very beautiful child. At 5 months of gestation her OB/GYN doctor said that she was a very good-looking baby as per ultrasound, which I though was bullshit as the pictures looked to me like something by Kandinsky, but she was right, and I am sure that an emergency Caesarian section was a contributing factor to her not getting her face squashed as a rite of passage through the pelvic lacunae.

    Although Shakespeare touched on the subject in Macbeth, one thing Steve has never written about is the difference between natural-born and Caesarian-born births in adult performance, but I suspect that this perinatal difference can affect our fates.

    (Does the requirement to be a natural-born American citizen to be President rule out Caesarian births?)
    , @Twodees Partain
    Possibly. The boy is also far too well schooled in public speaking for someone the age he is said to be. I think he's a plant and that the bloggers who are posting the idea that he was never a student at Douglas High may be onto something.

    Something really stinks about his performances, and the language he uses, and his sudden leap into MSM exposure. I think he may be a lot older than his claimed 17 years, and that his whole backstory may be a lie, hiding who he actually is.

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  36. @Chris Mallory
    Nope, not fascist at all. Consider it just punishment for a group of Jewish agitators trying to turn White Americans into slaves.

    If you don't like what I write, mute me.

    Hogg seems to be Catholic–spouted some smugness about how Laura Ingraham ought to spend Holy Week. He, however, has refused to forgive her unless she goes through some public grovelling ritual designed by him, so I’m not sure if he’s quite up on the “seventy times seven” thing in the Bible.

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  37. @Corvinus
    Nope, not fascist at all. Consider it just punishment for a group of Jewish agitators trying to turn White Americans into slaves."

    Absolutely it is fascist. You are advocating murder for people who are exercising their liberty and freedom to associate. PLUS, you are completely mischaracterizing the situation. Regardless, your "advice" will fall upon deaf ears, and you fortunately lack the guile and gumption as a low-T "man" to mete out that punishment.

    I did not advocate murdering anyone. I advocated selling these alien invaders to our shores back to their Semite kinsmen.

    Trying to disarm Americas is trying to turn them into slaves. Free men are armed, slaves are not. Jews and Muslims for that matter should not be allowed any of the freedoms left to Americans by the Founders. Both groups are incompatible with Western Culture.

    “Punishment”? On a comment section? Sorry, I am not an internet tough guy, I don’t make empty threats to people such as yourself.

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    “Marching these Parkland kids into the holds of ships then selling them into slavery to Muslims seems like a good plan to me.”

    This is your original statement. Bear this in mind.

    "I did not advocate murdering anyone."

    When you desire to have American children and adolescents be ripped from their homeland to sate your appetite for blood, with the distinct likelihood that some will perish during their journey, it's murder.

    "I advocated selling these alien invaders to our shores back to their Semite kinsmen."

    "Parkland kids" are not "invaders", they are American citizens who have legal protections. Yet, you advocate snuffing out their existence.

    "Jews and Muslims for that matter should not be allowed any of the freedoms left to Americans by the Founders. Both groups are incompatible with Western Culture."

    Actually, Jews and Muslims were part of the Thirteen Colonies. I wouldn't expect a savage like yourself to have a sense of my nation's history.
    , @anonymous
    As a foreigner, I support the 2nd amendment. Nothing should be banned.

    Perhaps you ask why? Even if you don't, that is because of degenerates like you... how else will the most potent evil on earth, get some well deserved comeuppance? Yes, you guessed it right, from within.

    When the most potent evil on earth blows up babies thousands of miles away, its degenerate denizens give a collective burp... let us see how that works out when something similar happens from within.

    Of course, the most preferred scenario would be racist scum gunning down other racist scum. You better watch out.

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  38. anonymous[424] • Disclaimer says:

    Of course the whole thing is scripted and organized by adults from behind the scenes, pushing the kids in front of them for cover. It’s a great stunt but phony. The media coordinates with this propaganda extravaganza. The chosen ventriloquist dummy Hogg sure has a gay sounding voice when he lets it go. The other shaven-headed alien is also quite dykey so the supposed leaders seem to be a rather queer bunch.

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  39. “For the most part guns in the United States act as nothing more than a tattered security blanket people cling to. Americans sacrificed most of their freedoms long ago, but as long as they are allowed to have an AR-15 they can target shoot with, they can convince themselves they are the last bastion of freedom.”

    On the contrary, we consider AR-15s to be combat rifles. They might be semi-automatic, but then so were some of the rifles exported to Iraq and then reimported. Every AR armed civilian has the combat power of a 21st century soldier.

    The US government considers combat rifles not only legitimate, but something that is to be encouraged among the civilian population.

    http://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/rifle_sales/

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  40. @Rosamond Vincy
    Forceps baby?

    Forceps baby?

    Could be! My own daughter (5) is a very beautiful child. At 5 months of gestation her OB/GYN doctor said that she was a very good-looking baby as per ultrasound, which I though was bullshit as the pictures looked to me like something by Kandinsky, but she was right, and I am sure that an emergency Caesarian section was a contributing factor to her not getting her face squashed as a rite of passage through the pelvic lacunae.

    Although Shakespeare touched on the subject in Macbeth, one thing Steve has never written about is the difference between natural-born and Caesarian-born births in adult performance, but I suspect that this perinatal difference can affect our fates.

    (Does the requirement to be a natural-born American citizen to be President rule out Caesarian births?)

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    Studies show that caesarean born babies have less beneficial bacteria in their guts than do babies born naturally. Thus, naturally born babies tend to have better developed immune systems.
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  41. As for the rest of the article, the great thing about watching ZERO TV, is that I’ve neither seen a one of these deluded youngsters nor heard a word out of any of them. TV is made to bring out emotions, not thinking, as Jonathan Mason has showed us time and time again.

    Du-ude, I have not watched TV since the second Kerry/Bush debate, unless you count a few Peppa Pig cartoons about 3 years ago. Since then I have only watched Peppa Pig on Youtube.

    However, I wrote letters to the US embassy at Grosvenor Square, London in 1966 when I was 15, protesting the Vietnam war. And I was right, but unfortunately my letters were not forward to LBJ as requested, otherwise history might have taken a different path. I can assure you that I was not put up to it by any adult, other than having a homework assignment for Geography.

    Everything I know about the Florida children activists is from the Internet, even though I live in Florida. One of the odd things about Florida is that there is no statewide newspaper or news medium, due no doubt to the very odd shape of the state, like a penis dangling from the mainland US with all the population on the surface, and concentrated around the tip or in the groin.

    I did know about Ima Hogg, First Lady of Texas. She was very fortunate that her surname was not Hooker. She was a prototype for the Beverly Hillbillies, having become immensely wealthy when oil was discovered in her back yard. She never married or had children, so no little piggies. It is not true that she had a sister called Ura.

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    Armed citizen self defense from the NRA. Most stories remain within the family or circle of friends, like one of mine (story). There's no reason to call the cops when no shots were fired - lots of times brandishment of a weapon is enough to deter a criminal. Calling the cops most of the time will cause more trouble, so there could be 10 or 50 times as many incidents as are reported in news media (and the NRA only picks a few select ones for the monthly magazine).

    If you were 15 in 1966, then you damn well have time to read from the link above! (Oh, I see it has search features too... cool.)
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  42. @Rosamond Vincy
    Forceps baby?

    Possibly. The boy is also far too well schooled in public speaking for someone the age he is said to be. I think he’s a plant and that the bloggers who are posting the idea that he was never a student at Douglas High may be onto something.

    Something really stinks about his performances, and the language he uses, and his sudden leap into MSM exposure. I think he may be a lot older than his claimed 17 years, and that his whole backstory may be a lie, hiding who he actually is.

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    "The boy is also far too well schooled in public speaking"

    I get the opposite impression. He's smug, vindictive, scowling, monomaniacal, and flat wrong about everything he thinks he knows. For an audience that wants _that_, he's a skilled speaker.

    The _only_ reason he's lasted in the news as long as he has is that the newsmedia is promoting him and protecting him from all real debate. Sit him down to debate on camera with Charles Cooke for 45 minutes, and humiliated Hogg will never show his face on the news again.
    , @prusmc
    How about Larry Flint like rewards for stories about David Hogg by the people who know him? A kid this arrogant can't only have friends and admirers in his school and neighborhood. Pay for all information, photos and whatever can be turned up. Who knows there might be a Stromy Daniels or Kevin Spacy in his short life history. Once the informatioinformation is obtained then vet it mercilessly. After the chaff has been separated concentrate on the wheat. Questions of privacy, isn't he now a public figure with limited rights to bury any unsavory findings?
    Where is the National Inquierer when we need it?
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  43. @Jonathan Mason
    It is really disgraceful how many people in the media have been attacking the Parkland kids. It actually makes the pro-gun lobbying movement look more juvenile than the high school activists. Even Mr. Derbyshire with his UK education seems to have had his central nervous system infected with gun fever due to overexposure to gunpowder fumes.

    Parkland survivors have every right to protest gun laws in view of the fact that the danger of the Parkland shooter was known to everyone for years, and yet there seemed to be no legal way to disarm him available to law enforcement and social services in his area.

    The NRA would do well to step out of the way before it is flattened by a tsunami of popular opinion. How do we really know who the five million members of the NRA are? Are there really 5 million? Who audits the numbers? What percentage of NRA spokespeople are simply retail gun owners versus people who are involved in dealing in guns for profit, or lobbying for profit?

    David Hogg will most likely be a successful politician of some kind before he is much older, since success in politics in the US is 90% related purely to name recognition, which he will have for many years to come. Probably he will be running for President as Republican candidate by the time he is 40. Of course there will be the allegations that he was born in Africa and delivered by a stork, and all the rest of it, but if he can jump that hurdle, he probably has a political career ahead that will take in issues other than arms control.

    Other famous Hoggs include Boss Hogg from the Dukes of Hazard, and Peter Hogg the UK airline pilot who buried his wife in Britain's deepest lake after a marital tiff.

    The video clip at the end of this article suggests that Hogg’s rhetorical skills – particularly the body language – ensure him a great political future: https://www.libertyheadlines.com/youtube-puts-warning-satirical-video-david-hogg/

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    The crowd seemed to like what he was saying. The boy speaks German well.

    John Kennedy: Ich bin ein Berliner. [Translation: I am a doughnut. If he had said Ich bin Berliner, that would have been another thing.]


    Donald Trump's response: So what? I love Hamburgers.
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    Adolf was at least sincere. He believed his own BS. This guy strikes me as another Goebbels: it could be Communism, Fascism, Zoroastrianism--he's not particular, as long as he gets power through it. The way he tried to intimidate Laura Ingraham, the way he boasted about how the Powers That Be are terrified about him and his posse being old enough to vote (never occurs to him that some young opponents will also be old enough to vote against him and his kind)--these things show what he's really about. Some of the kids in the protests are genuinely scared about school safety, some just want to skip some class, but Hogg's conduct smacks of opportunism.
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    And here's the confirmation of something many people have suspected about Hogg's motives:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5569163/Brother-Parkland-victim-says-shut-March-Lives.html
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  44. Realist says:

    Irrelevant final thought: The rise to fame of young David Hogg brought to my mind the only other famous Hogg I know: Quintin Hogg, ….

    You forgot Boss Hogg, who is quite possibly David’s grandfather.

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  45. @Jus' Sayin'...
    The video clip at the end of this article suggests that Hogg's rhetorical skills - particularly the body language - ensure him a great political future: https://www.libertyheadlines.com/youtube-puts-warning-satirical-video-david-hogg/

    The crowd seemed to like what he was saying. The boy speaks German well.

    John Kennedy: Ich bin ein Berliner. [Translation: I am a doughnut. If he had said Ich bin Berliner, that would have been another thing.]

    Donald Trump’s response: So what? I love Hamburgers.

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  46. JamesG says: • Website

    “This was at the time of the Profumo sex scandal in 1963. Hogg’s government colleague, War Minister John Profumo, had resigned after being caught lying about his private life.”

    On a business trip in the summer of 1963 and staying at the Athens Hilton Hotel, I signed for a towel at the hotel’s outdoor pool and read a few lines above my own signature “John Profumo.”

    It kinda made sense. Where might a disgraced prominent Englishman go to lick his wounds, free of inquiring journalists? An American hotel in Greece made sense. That signature also explained just who had been the lovely lady sunbathing in lounge chair to my right.

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  47. @Jus' Sayin'...
    The video clip at the end of this article suggests that Hogg's rhetorical skills - particularly the body language - ensure him a great political future: https://www.libertyheadlines.com/youtube-puts-warning-satirical-video-david-hogg/

    Adolf was at least sincere. He believed his own BS. This guy strikes me as another Goebbels: it could be Communism, Fascism, Zoroastrianism–he’s not particular, as long as he gets power through it. The way he tried to intimidate Laura Ingraham, the way he boasted about how the Powers That Be are terrified about him and his posse being old enough to vote (never occurs to him that some young opponents will also be old enough to vote against him and his kind)–these things show what he’s really about. Some of the kids in the protests are genuinely scared about school safety, some just want to skip some class, but Hogg’s conduct smacks of opportunism.

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  48. @Jonathan Mason

    As for the rest of the article, the great thing about watching ZERO TV, is that I’ve neither seen a one of these deluded youngsters nor heard a word out of any of them. TV is made to bring out emotions, not thinking, as Jonathan Mason has showed us time and time again.
     
    Du-ude, I have not watched TV since the second Kerry/Bush debate, unless you count a few Peppa Pig cartoons about 3 years ago. Since then I have only watched Peppa Pig on Youtube.

    However, I wrote letters to the US embassy at Grosvenor Square, London in 1966 when I was 15, protesting the Vietnam war. And I was right, but unfortunately my letters were not forward to LBJ as requested, otherwise history might have taken a different path. I can assure you that I was not put up to it by any adult, other than having a homework assignment for Geography.

    Everything I know about the Florida children activists is from the Internet, even though I live in Florida. One of the odd things about Florida is that there is no statewide newspaper or news medium, due no doubt to the very odd shape of the state, like a penis dangling from the mainland US with all the population on the surface, and concentrated around the tip or in the groin.

    I did know about Ima Hogg, First Lady of Texas. She was very fortunate that her surname was not Hooker. She was a prototype for the Beverly Hillbillies, having become immensely wealthy when oil was discovered in her back yard. She never married or had children, so no little piggies. It is not true that she had a sister called Ura.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZeYQ6QfPWY

    Armed citizen self defense from the NRA. Most stories remain within the family or circle of friends, like one of mine (story). There’s no reason to call the cops when no shots were fired – lots of times brandishment of a weapon is enough to deter a criminal. Calling the cops most of the time will cause more trouble, so there could be 10 or 50 times as many incidents as are reported in news media (and the NRA only picks a few select ones for the monthly magazine).

    If you were 15 in 1966, then you damn well have time to read from the link above! (Oh, I see it has search features too… cool.)

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  49. The 911 caller told the dispatcher that an intoxicated man wearing blue jeans, no shirt, and a teal hat was causing a disturbance at that location.

    While the BCSO deputies were still on their way to the scene, the dispatcher told them that a burglary was in progress in the 400 block of Fricks Lane, which is adjacent to the location of the original disturbance call, the press release stated.

    “This caller said that a white male was attempting to break into her home through the back door and her husband, Joseph Combs, had shot the intruder,” the press release stated. “Deputy Michelle Carrier and Texas Department Public Safety Trooper Chad Turner arrived a short time later.”

    The law enforcement officers who arrived at the scene first found a man matching the description of the Bateson Lane disturbance suspect lying in the backyard of the home

    Yeah, so a homeowner shot a drunk male pedestrian nudist with questionable taste in hats and probably mental illness who was unarmed as far as one can tell from the report. No mention of the race of any of the combatants.

    Apparently he was not killed, so perhaps the hand of the householder was shaking. If it was a cop, he would have got 20 bullets in the back to make sure he could not talk.

    A better solution to avoid shooting one’s intoxicated neighbors would be to relocate to a better area, preferably one with a neighborhood watch or a gated community.

    What would Jesus do?

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    The strange thing about the story I quoted above is that apparently the NRA thinks that this is a fine example of a gun being used for public safety, rather than a tragic comedy that almost ended in the death of an unarmed man who was drunk.

    Here is a link to another story that the NRA will love:

    Danny Ray Thomas was wandering with his trousers around his ankles on a Houston street when he was shot dead by a deputy

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/apr/02/texas-protest-planned-for-unarmed-black-man-killed-by-police-officer

    Of course the officer told him to pull his pants up before shooting, so it was justified.
    , @Achmed E. Newman

    A better solution to avoid shooting one’s intoxicated neighbors would be to relocate to a better area, preferably one with a neighborhood watch or a gated community.

    What would Jesus do?

     
    I'll tell you what Jesus wouldn't have done - live in a gated community. He may have sold his cloak and traded it in for a sword, though. Unfortunately for him and the disciples, Samuel Colt was just a sparkle in Mr. Colt's eye back in 30 AD, so that's why the verse reads as it does. Plus, the crucification and all. (Yeah, I know I should have written this yesterday - more timely.)
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  50. gp says:
    @Twodees Partain
    Possibly. The boy is also far too well schooled in public speaking for someone the age he is said to be. I think he's a plant and that the bloggers who are posting the idea that he was never a student at Douglas High may be onto something.

    Something really stinks about his performances, and the language he uses, and his sudden leap into MSM exposure. I think he may be a lot older than his claimed 17 years, and that his whole backstory may be a lie, hiding who he actually is.

    “The boy is also far too well schooled in public speaking”

    I get the opposite impression. He’s smug, vindictive, scowling, monomaniacal, and flat wrong about everything he thinks he knows. For an audience that wants _that_, he’s a skilled speaker.

    The _only_ reason he’s lasted in the news as long as he has is that the newsmedia is promoting him and protecting him from all real debate. Sit him down to debate on camera with Charles Cooke for 45 minutes, and humiliated Hogg will never show his face on the news again.

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    Someone trained as an actor has public speaking skills, but that doesn't make them a debater. You're right that he would probably dissolve in a debate, or under questioning by someone other than the media characters who have been interviewing him on news media shows.
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  51. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Macon Richardson

    It’s also worth bearing in mind that freedom of religion was always intended to lead to freedom from religion.
     
    I see no logical relationship between freedom of religion and freedom from religion, much less an intent towards that goal. In the American system, Congress is prohibited from making laws that inhibit religion practices. In the French system, the municipal* government is prohibited from allowing religion to interfere with civil government.

    As to freedom of speech, in Britain the new capitalist class desired it to dislodge the vampire grip the ancient rentier class had on political and economic power. The same was true in France except it was more sudden and violent.

    * municipal is a term of art for national government and subordinate governmental entities within the national government.

    In the French system, the municipal* government is prohibited from allowing religion to interfere with civil government.

    That French system has its roots in extreme hostility to Christianity. The aim of the French system is most certainly freedom from religion.

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  52. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Peter Akuleyev
    What has the people in power shaking is the thought that if, as their hearts desire, they were to stage a coup and establish a Chinese-style panopticon of thought control and repression of dissent, they might find themselves opposed by millions of armed citizens.

    Not for a second do the people in power fear this. Derbyshire must realize, after a moment's reflection, how ridiculous this statement is. People in power do not stage coups, because they are already in power. For all intents and purposes we already have a panopticon of thought control and repression of dissent in the US, and the number of citizens taking up arms is miniscule.

    The elites are quite good at playing 3 card monte to keep Americans distracted while the elites rob them blind. Look at Trump talking about walls he isn't building while his Goldman Sachs buddies enrich themselves at tax payer expense. Real wage growth in the US in 2018 is predicted be lower than in 2017 (https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandtools/hr-topics/compensation/pages/2018-salary-forecast-us-global.aspx) but I don't see any Americans going to the barricades. They are happy to focus on whatever made up controversy MSNBC and Fox News decide to feed them.

    For the most part guns in the United States act as nothing more than a tattered security blanket people cling to. Americans sacrificed most of their freedoms long ago, but as long as they are allowed to have an AR-15 they can target shoot with, they can convince themselves they are the last bastion of freedom.

    What has the people in power shaking is the thought that if, as their hearts desire, they were to stage a coup and establish a Chinese-style panopticon of thought control and repression of dissent, they might find themselves opposed by millions of armed citizens.

    Not for a second do the people in power fear this. Derbyshire must realize, after a moment’s reflection, how ridiculous this statement is.

    Unfortunately the gun fetishists will never understand how ridiculous the statement is. They will cling to their fantasies of a mass uprising of brave patriots confronting the evil commie tyranny. For a lot of them that fantasy is all they have. They don’t understand how politics works and they don’t understand how power is exercised. It’s still 1776 and they’re going to shoot down the Redcoats with their Kentucky rifles. Right-wingers are as prone to living in fantasy la-la land as left-wingers.

    For the most part guns in the United States act as nothing more than a tattered security blanket people cling to. Americans sacrificed most of their freedoms long ago, but as long as they are allowed to have an AR-15 they can target shoot with, they can convince themselves they are the last bastion of freedom.

    Agreed.

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    "They don’t understand how politics works and they don’t understand how power is exercised. It’s still 1776 and they’re going to shoot down the Redcoats with their Kentucky rifles. Right-wingers are as prone to living in fantasy la-la land as left-wingers."

    If what you say is true, then the gun controllers would simply pass the all the gun control laws Jonathon Mason wants and be done with it. After all, they've done it in the UK and Australia.
    I keep hearing about all that support for MORE gun control in all the polling propagated by the news media. They got the entire news media/entertainment complex behind them; why don't they just do it? If AR-15 ownership is nothing but a fantasy and resistance is futile, what do the Masons of the world fear from just declaring AR ownership illegal? After all, their US Judiciary declared full automatic weapons to be unmanufacturable as new guns and only old ones could be had.

    I remember when Gun Controller Allard K. Lowenstein was killed (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allard_K._Lowenstein) and they reported that it might possibly be because of his advocacy for more gun control. Apparently, your fantasy of shooting down Redcoats is not far from their fear that gun owners can actually being pushed too far, huh?

    , @Twodees Partain
    Guncontrol shills like you love to make the claim that there's no way to resist government force. Referring to gun owners as "fetishists" doesn't make your silly statements any more believable, they simply show what your agenda is.
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    What has the people in power shaking is the thought that if, as their hearts desire, they were to stage a coup and establish a Chinese-style panopticon of thought control and repression of dissent, they might find themselves opposed by millions of armed citizens.
     
    Not for a second do the people in power fear this. Derbyshire must realize, after a moment’s reflection, how ridiculous this statement is.
     
    Unfortunately the gun fetishists will never understand how ridiculous the statement is. They will cling to their fantasies of a mass uprising of brave patriots confronting the evil commie tyranny. For a lot of them that fantasy is all they have. They don't understand how politics works and they don't understand how power is exercised. It's still 1776 and they're going to shoot down the Redcoats with their Kentucky rifles. Right-wingers are as prone to living in fantasy la-la land as left-wingers.

    For the most part guns in the United States act as nothing more than a tattered security blanket people cling to. Americans sacrificed most of their freedoms long ago, but as long as they are allowed to have an AR-15 they can target shoot with, they can convince themselves they are the last bastion of freedom.
     
    Agreed.

    “They don’t understand how politics works and they don’t understand how power is exercised. It’s still 1776 and they’re going to shoot down the Redcoats with their Kentucky rifles. Right-wingers are as prone to living in fantasy la-la land as left-wingers.”

    If what you say is true, then the gun controllers would simply pass the all the gun control laws Jonathon Mason wants and be done with it. After all, they’ve done it in the UK and Australia.
    I keep hearing about all that support for MORE gun control in all the polling propagated by the news media. They got the entire news media/entertainment complex behind them; why don’t they just do it? If AR-15 ownership is nothing but a fantasy and resistance is futile, what do the Masons of the world fear from just declaring AR ownership illegal? After all, their US Judiciary declared full automatic weapons to be unmanufacturable as new guns and only old ones could be had.

    I remember when Gun Controller Allard K. Lowenstein was killed (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allard_K._Lowenstein) and they reported that it might possibly be because of his advocacy for more gun control. Apparently, your fantasy of shooting down Redcoats is not far from their fear that gun owners can actually being pushed too far, huh?

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    If AR-15 ownership is nothing but a fantasy and resistance is futile, what do the Masons of the world fear from just declaring AR ownership illegal?
     
    I don't think the elites care about your AR-15s all that much. For the Democrats it's a useful issue to get their female supporters energised. The last thing the Democrats and the cultural left in general want is for the gun issue to go away, so they want gun control tightened but not too much. They want to keep guns bubbling along as a permanent issue. Just like they want to keep race and gender bubbling along as permanent issues.
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  54. Talha says:

    Hugh the Iron and William the Pig

    Totally would not have trusted those guys; now Hugh the Flowerpot and William the Hamster – definitely!!!

    Just sayin’…

    Peace.

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    They were just trying to be down with Peter the Hermit and Walter the Penniless. Crusading requires a cool handle.
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  55. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Joe Stalin
    "They don’t understand how politics works and they don’t understand how power is exercised. It’s still 1776 and they’re going to shoot down the Redcoats with their Kentucky rifles. Right-wingers are as prone to living in fantasy la-la land as left-wingers."

    If what you say is true, then the gun controllers would simply pass the all the gun control laws Jonathon Mason wants and be done with it. After all, they've done it in the UK and Australia.
    I keep hearing about all that support for MORE gun control in all the polling propagated by the news media. They got the entire news media/entertainment complex behind them; why don't they just do it? If AR-15 ownership is nothing but a fantasy and resistance is futile, what do the Masons of the world fear from just declaring AR ownership illegal? After all, their US Judiciary declared full automatic weapons to be unmanufacturable as new guns and only old ones could be had.

    I remember when Gun Controller Allard K. Lowenstein was killed (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allard_K._Lowenstein) and they reported that it might possibly be because of his advocacy for more gun control. Apparently, your fantasy of shooting down Redcoats is not far from their fear that gun owners can actually being pushed too far, huh?

    If AR-15 ownership is nothing but a fantasy and resistance is futile, what do the Masons of the world fear from just declaring AR ownership illegal?

    I don’t think the elites care about your AR-15s all that much. For the Democrats it’s a useful issue to get their female supporters energised. The last thing the Democrats and the cultural left in general want is for the gun issue to go away, so they want gun control tightened but not too much. They want to keep guns bubbling along as a permanent issue. Just like they want to keep race and gender bubbling along as permanent issues.

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-q4bEULG64

    "It's not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

    Barack Obama

    It really bothers you a lot, those stupid proles being able to defend themselves huh. You understand nothing about asymmetrical warfare and the political leanings of the US military and police force.

    This poster is another Corvinus, here to run interference and make no convincing arguments whatsoever. In 20-30 years though, you shall probably have your wish for leftist totalitarian government in the US. Time is not on our side, unless something drastic changes.
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  56. @Corvinus
    Nope, not fascist at all. Consider it just punishment for a group of Jewish agitators trying to turn White Americans into slaves."

    Absolutely it is fascist. You are advocating murder for people who are exercising their liberty and freedom to associate. PLUS, you are completely mischaracterizing the situation. Regardless, your "advice" will fall upon deaf ears, and you fortunately lack the guile and gumption as a low-T "man" to mete out that punishment.

    You are advocating murder for people who are exercising their liberty and freedom to associate.

    And you oppose it. Which makes you an Islamophobe.

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  57. @Talha

    Hugh the Iron and William the Pig
     
    Totally would not have trusted those guys; now Hugh the Flowerpot and William the Hamster - definitely!!!

    Just sayin’...

    Peace.

    They were just trying to be down with Peter the Hermit and Walter the Penniless. Crusading requires a cool handle.

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    Totally get the need for street cred. However, I wouldn’t buy a used car from some guy named William the Pig much less take him up on a free ride to a battle zone.

    Just sayin’.

    Peace.
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  58. grapesoda says:
    @dfordoom

    If AR-15 ownership is nothing but a fantasy and resistance is futile, what do the Masons of the world fear from just declaring AR ownership illegal?
     
    I don't think the elites care about your AR-15s all that much. For the Democrats it's a useful issue to get their female supporters energised. The last thing the Democrats and the cultural left in general want is for the gun issue to go away, so they want gun control tightened but not too much. They want to keep guns bubbling along as a permanent issue. Just like they want to keep race and gender bubbling along as permanent issues.

    “It’s not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

    Barack Obama

    It really bothers you a lot, those stupid proles being able to defend themselves huh. You understand nothing about asymmetrical warfare and the political leanings of the US military and police force.

    This poster is another Corvinus, here to run interference and make no convincing arguments whatsoever. In 20-30 years though, you shall probably have your wish for leftist totalitarian government in the US. Time is not on our side, unless something drastic changes.

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    In 20-30 years though, you shall probably have your wish for leftist totalitarian government in the US.
     
    The U.S. is already well on the way to totalitarianism. And all those guns haven't prevented that from happening. One by one freedoms have been taken away. The apparatus of totalitarianism is already in existence. I'm still waiting to see those brave patriots picking up their AR-15s to offer resistance. What those brave patriots are actually doing is using the internet to share their fantasies.

    It isn't going to happen. Westerners are not Afghans. Westerners are too soft and too selfish. Maybe you could say too civilised. They don't have the mindset for guerrilla war. And, most importantly, at this stage western dissidents don't have a belief system strong enough to allow them to endure the sacrifices that guerrilla war would entail.

    Time is not on our side, unless something drastic changes.
     
    I agree with that. But we'll need to be smart to win. We'll need leadership. And dedication. At this stage we have no leadership.

    A bunch of guys with AR-15s who have no leadership and no coherent plan is just a rabble. They might as well be armed with spears.
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  59. CalDre says:

    if, as their hearts desire, they were to stage a coup and establish a Chinese-style panopticon of thought control and repression of dissent, they might find themselves opposed by millions of armed citizens.

    You lost me there. The Chinese government actually helps the common Chinaman. The US government loathes the common man and helps only the oligarchs exploit him more.

    Stop smoking the crack that says pulling a lever every 2 years does anything. No one in the government gives a fuck about me or the middle class, except when it comes time to lie at “voting time”. The government hates us, we are just cannon fodder for their Global Oligarch wars and for building their Global Dictatorship.

    And also if you look at the Chinese government on paper it is also “democratic”. But paper doesn’t mean anything. Not arguing that China is democratic, but it is no less so than the US. But what I am arguing is that it is more responsive to the needs of the average citizen than in the US, where the average citizen is cannon fodder and tax receipts for the government to hand to the Global Oligarchs, all while pissing on his heritage and values.

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  60. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    Mr. Hogg is obviously clairvoyant, as he knew–or his handlers did–several months in advance of the Parkland massacre that it was going to take place.

    DC Police: “March For Our Lives” Planning Preceded Parkland FL Shooting By “Several Months

    http://memoryholeblog.org/2018/03/30/dc-police-march-for-our-lives-planning-preceded-parkland-fl-shooting-by-several-months/

    For those of you who will scream ‘Fake News,’ click on the link to see this:

    Update: Some readers have questioned the authenticity of the email document from Officer Earhardt, furnished earlier this week by Ole Dammegard. Mr. Dammegard has since provided the full document including the heading, but with the identity of the recipient withheld to preserve their anonymity. The document is reproduced below. It should also be noted that given DC’s federal/municipal makeup, two permits were applied for and granted.

    Now the question is, which grade or high school is next in the sights of these deranged, twisted psychos who will stop at nothing to honor their hero, Uncle Joe and take away our guns?

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  61. mcohen says:

    Did you hear that noise folks.
    a loud cluuuuuuuckkk.the sound of a rat trap going off.caught red handed.and now they have been sent on there way.retribution will and has surely followed.

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  62. You can have as many guns as you want, but if you think that they will help you against a government that decides to actually oppress you, then you got another thing comming. First you’ll run out of ammo, then they’ll drone the fuck out of you, and not a single soldier will die. Militias brought balance 200 years ago. Now, it’ll be like horses during WWI, sure – may help here or there, but mostly, not enough to overcome a war machine.

    If a foreign military actually decided to take on the US – and managed to overcome the US’ military and government – it’d be even worse.

    Also, not having guns, may just make the US government less of a state sponsour of terrorism – more peaceful people, less glorifying of bloodshed etc.

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    Ah yes, the old 'the invincible US military will crush you' horsecrap. Tell that to the Vietnamese and the Afghans.
    , @Joe Stalin
    You do realize the American people have more ammo than the US Army, don't you? How many drones do you have in relation to the possible combat tempo an all out civil war against the gun owners would entail? US military had to get ammo from Israel and others for the Iraq 2003 invasion.

    "Also, not having guns, may just make the US government less of a state sponsour of terrorism – more peaceful people, less glorifying of bloodshed etc."

    Oh, so having guns preserves the SPIRIT OF RESISTANCE of thee American people. My my, isn't that an interesting admission!
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  63. prusmc says: • Website
    @Twodees Partain
    Possibly. The boy is also far too well schooled in public speaking for someone the age he is said to be. I think he's a plant and that the bloggers who are posting the idea that he was never a student at Douglas High may be onto something.

    Something really stinks about his performances, and the language he uses, and his sudden leap into MSM exposure. I think he may be a lot older than his claimed 17 years, and that his whole backstory may be a lie, hiding who he actually is.

    How about Larry Flint like rewards for stories about David Hogg by the people who know him? A kid this arrogant can’t only have friends and admirers in his school and neighborhood. Pay for all information, photos and whatever can be turned up. Who knows there might be a Stromy Daniels or Kevin Spacy in his short life history. Once the informatioinformation is obtained then vet it mercilessly. After the chaff has been separated concentrate on the wheat. Questions of privacy, isn’t he now a public figure with limited rights to bury any unsavory findings?
    Where is the National Inquierer when we need it?

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    There were a few bloggers digging into Hogg right after he started running his mouth. One that I remember had already turned up the fact that Hogg's address was one of three houses on a cul-de-sac that was owned by a local attorney.

    He's obviously an actor. It seems likely to me that he will out himself accidentally if he's allowed to pose as his invented persona on CNN.

    One blog has some items:

    https://birthofanewearthblog.wordpress.com/2018/02/24/florida-shooting-a-definite-false-flag/

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  64. @ ilya-
    um, just WHO do you think populates the overwhelming majority of those serving in the military ? ? ?
    .
    hackysack-playin’, tofu-eatin’, chakra-spoutin’ libtards who hate guns ? ? ?
    .
    …or conservative-leaning good ole boys/grrls who belong to the NRA ? ? ?
    .
    when push comes to shove, they are going to gun down their LITERAL fathers, brothers, friends and relatives at the behest of their neo-lib superiors THEY DESPISE ? ? ?
    .
    …OR, will these good ole boys turn those drones on the kongresskritters ? ? ?
    .
    as a former libtard, i know which way i am betting the shooting match goes…
    (hmmm, let’s think this through: group with guns vs group without guns… gee, i wonder how that will turn out… *snort*)

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    @Art

    Awwww maaan, twice now I dumbly clicked off my browser!! So, in short form:

    I'm not against guns if they do what is advertized - limit crime, limit state oppression, limit risk of invasion.

    The second amendment is not there to arm people - it is there to secure people. The question is whether it offers security. I would compare Switzerland and the US. Swiss have 0.25 guns/capita (18th in world), the US have 1/capita (1st in world). But the Swiss' gun homicide rate is 0.5/100,000, whilst the US' gun homicide rate is 3/100,000. 6 times higher!!

    The Swiss are neutral (helps with the psychology of not using excess violence), and also have conscription for all males. Fair enough - it's to defend the territory of your state.

    It's the education that matters. Make a simple law - if you buy your first firearm, you must also buy a 50 hour course on firearm safety/use/whatnot..
    , @prusmc
    I have been there and agree about the type of person in the military. However, it is a deadly mistake to count on them to hesitate about orders from their paymasters. Furthermore, the forces are about 42 percent Black, Hispanic and many foreign born. Politically correct "commisars" are embedded down to the company level and SJW training is often emphasized at the expense of War Fighting, operational effectiveness and essential maintence. There is no chance of an OAS (Algeria 1961) from the US Forces.
    Note also how the Chicago Police reacted to the attacks on Trump supporters during the 2016 campaign compared to the action against leftist at the 68 Democrat Convention. Contrast the San Jose police at Trump rally with the LA police under Chief Parker during the Watts riots. Don't even think about Baltimore and Charlottesville.
    Help is not on the way from any uniformed or other law enforcement sources. Sheriff Scott Israel personifies the situation.
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  65. Pol Pot jr. aka David Hogg leader of the Khmer Rouge leading his band of gun control Khmer Rouge puppets to disarm America and then comes the Killing Fields.

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  66. n230099 says:
    @Jonathan Mason
    It is really disgraceful how many people in the media have been attacking the Parkland kids. It actually makes the pro-gun lobbying movement look more juvenile than the high school activists. Even Mr. Derbyshire with his UK education seems to have had his central nervous system infected with gun fever due to overexposure to gunpowder fumes.

    Parkland survivors have every right to protest gun laws in view of the fact that the danger of the Parkland shooter was known to everyone for years, and yet there seemed to be no legal way to disarm him available to law enforcement and social services in his area.

    The NRA would do well to step out of the way before it is flattened by a tsunami of popular opinion. How do we really know who the five million members of the NRA are? Are there really 5 million? Who audits the numbers? What percentage of NRA spokespeople are simply retail gun owners versus people who are involved in dealing in guns for profit, or lobbying for profit?

    David Hogg will most likely be a successful politician of some kind before he is much older, since success in politics in the US is 90% related purely to name recognition, which he will have for many years to come. Probably he will be running for President as Republican candidate by the time he is 40. Of course there will be the allegations that he was born in Africa and delivered by a stork, and all the rest of it, but if he can jump that hurdle, he probably has a political career ahead that will take in issues other than arms control.

    Other famous Hoggs include Boss Hogg from the Dukes of Hazard, and Peter Hogg the UK airline pilot who buried his wife in Britain's deepest lake after a marital tiff.

    “How do we really know who the five million members of the NRA are? Are there really 5 million?”

    I would posit that it’s irrelevant. The “power” over the legislative structure…the real power…lies with the remaining 76(+/-) million firearms owners that cross all demographics of gender, race political ‘orientation’ and socio-economic strata. In fact there are 10s of millions of democrat gun owners. These 76M gun owners are watchful and communicate with their legislators often. I submit that it is to them that the legislators ultimately respond while those that rely on a bogeyman to try to make sense of things rail against the (rather minor BTW) NRA lobby.

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  67. @prusmc
    How about Larry Flint like rewards for stories about David Hogg by the people who know him? A kid this arrogant can't only have friends and admirers in his school and neighborhood. Pay for all information, photos and whatever can be turned up. Who knows there might be a Stromy Daniels or Kevin Spacy in his short life history. Once the informatioinformation is obtained then vet it mercilessly. After the chaff has been separated concentrate on the wheat. Questions of privacy, isn't he now a public figure with limited rights to bury any unsavory findings?
    Where is the National Inquierer when we need it?

    There were a few bloggers digging into Hogg right after he started running his mouth. One that I remember had already turned up the fact that Hogg’s address was one of three houses on a cul-de-sac that was owned by a local attorney.

    He’s obviously an actor. It seems likely to me that he will out himself accidentally if he’s allowed to pose as his invented persona on CNN.

    One blog has some items:

    https://birthofanewearthblog.wordpress.com/2018/02/24/florida-shooting-a-definite-false-flag/

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  68. @gp
    "The boy is also far too well schooled in public speaking"

    I get the opposite impression. He's smug, vindictive, scowling, monomaniacal, and flat wrong about everything he thinks he knows. For an audience that wants _that_, he's a skilled speaker.

    The _only_ reason he's lasted in the news as long as he has is that the newsmedia is promoting him and protecting him from all real debate. Sit him down to debate on camera with Charles Cooke for 45 minutes, and humiliated Hogg will never show his face on the news again.

    Someone trained as an actor has public speaking skills, but that doesn’t make them a debater. You’re right that he would probably dissolve in a debate, or under questioning by someone other than the media characters who have been interviewing him on news media shows.

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    If we only had a young William F. Buckley. Even as a teen, he could have SHREDDED this guy.
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  69. @dfordoom


    What has the people in power shaking is the thought that if, as their hearts desire, they were to stage a coup and establish a Chinese-style panopticon of thought control and repression of dissent, they might find themselves opposed by millions of armed citizens.
     
    Not for a second do the people in power fear this. Derbyshire must realize, after a moment’s reflection, how ridiculous this statement is.
     
    Unfortunately the gun fetishists will never understand how ridiculous the statement is. They will cling to their fantasies of a mass uprising of brave patriots confronting the evil commie tyranny. For a lot of them that fantasy is all they have. They don't understand how politics works and they don't understand how power is exercised. It's still 1776 and they're going to shoot down the Redcoats with their Kentucky rifles. Right-wingers are as prone to living in fantasy la-la land as left-wingers.

    For the most part guns in the United States act as nothing more than a tattered security blanket people cling to. Americans sacrificed most of their freedoms long ago, but as long as they are allowed to have an AR-15 they can target shoot with, they can convince themselves they are the last bastion of freedom.
     
    Agreed.

    Guncontrol shills like you love to make the claim that there’s no way to resist government force. Referring to gun owners as “fetishists” doesn’t make your silly statements any more believable, they simply show what your agenda is.

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    He’s obviously an actor
     
    Actually, it is a common theme in history that when leader arise, people cannot believe that they are Mrs. Jones next door's little lad, so all kinds of mythology spring up.

    Who is this carpenter from Nazareth who debates the rabbis and priests like he knows something? This must be witchcraft!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zjz16xjeBAA
    , @dfordoom

    Guncontrol shills like you love to make the claim that there’s no way to resist government force. Referring to gun owners as “fetishists” doesn’t make your silly statements any more believable, they simply show what your agenda is.
     
    I'm not in favour of gun control. As far as I'm concerned people can have as many guns as they want.

    I also don't say there's no way to resist government force.

    I just don't think private ownership of guns is going to be relevant in the kind of political struggle we're facing. The Redcoats are not going to obligingly march up Bunker Hill in neat lines so that brave patriots can pick them off.

    Can't you understand that your political enemies want you to rely on guns to resist them? Because they know that they have the technology and the manpower to crush an armed insurrection very easily and then they have a ready-made excuse to round up all dissenters. You're playing into their hands.
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  70. @Ilya G Poimandres
    You can have as many guns as you want, but if you think that they will help you against a government that decides to actually oppress you, then you got another thing comming. First you'll run out of ammo, then they'll drone the fuck out of you, and not a single soldier will die. Militias brought balance 200 years ago. Now, it'll be like horses during WWI, sure - may help here or there, but mostly, not enough to overcome a war machine.

    If a foreign military actually decided to take on the US - and managed to overcome the US' military and government - it'd be even worse.

    Also, not having guns, may just make the US government less of a state sponsour of terrorism - more peaceful people, less glorifying of bloodshed etc.

    Ah yes, the old ‘the invincible US military will crush you’ horsecrap. Tell that to the Vietnamese and the Afghans.

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  71. Corvinus says:
    @Chris Mallory
    I did not advocate murdering anyone. I advocated selling these alien invaders to our shores back to their Semite kinsmen.

    Trying to disarm Americas is trying to turn them into slaves. Free men are armed, slaves are not. Jews and Muslims for that matter should not be allowed any of the freedoms left to Americans by the Founders. Both groups are incompatible with Western Culture.


    "Punishment"? On a comment section? Sorry, I am not an internet tough guy, I don't make empty threats to people such as yourself.

    “Marching these Parkland kids into the holds of ships then selling them into slavery to Muslims seems like a good plan to me.”

    This is your original statement. Bear this in mind.

    “I did not advocate murdering anyone.”

    When you desire to have American children and adolescents be ripped from their homeland to sate your appetite for blood, with the distinct likelihood that some will perish during their journey, it’s murder.

    “I advocated selling these alien invaders to our shores back to their Semite kinsmen.”

    “Parkland kids” are not “invaders”, they are American citizens who have legal protections. Yet, you advocate snuffing out their existence.

    “Jews and Muslims for that matter should not be allowed any of the freedoms left to Americans by the Founders. Both groups are incompatible with Western Culture.”

    Actually, Jews and Muslims were part of the Thirteen Colonies. I wouldn’t expect a savage like yourself to have a sense of my nation’s history.

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    We all want to be enlightened.
    For our education please fill in the blank spaces below the names of the Muslims who had any significant role in building the the Thirteen Colonies:
    1.________________
    2.________________
    3.________________
    4.________________
    5.________________
    6.________________
    7.________________
    You may use the other side of the paper for additional entries.
    Thank You
    , @Mr. Anon

    I wouldn’t expect a savage like yourself to have a sense of my nation’s history.
     
    You and most of the rest of us don't share a nation. So don't presume an association that doesn't exist. As far as I am concerned, you are an alien and an enemy.

    Anyway, there is no longer such a thing as the "American nation", you silly, contemptible fool.

    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    Your post is illegal in the UK for Islamophobia.
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  72. @art guerrilla
    @ ilya-
    um, just WHO do you think populates the overwhelming majority of those serving in the military ? ? ?
    .
    hackysack-playin', tofu-eatin', chakra-spoutin' libtards who hate guns ? ? ?
    .
    ...or conservative-leaning good ole boys/grrls who belong to the NRA ? ? ?
    .
    when push comes to shove, they are going to gun down their LITERAL fathers, brothers, friends and relatives at the behest of their neo-lib superiors THEY DESPISE ? ? ?
    .
    ...OR, will these good ole boys turn those drones on the kongresskritters ? ? ?
    .
    as a former libtard, i know which way i am betting the shooting match goes...
    (hmmm, let's think this through: group with guns vs group without guns... gee, i wonder how that will turn out... *snort*)

    @Art

    Awwww maaan, twice now I dumbly clicked off my browser!! So, in short form:

    I’m not against guns if they do what is advertized – limit crime, limit state oppression, limit risk of invasion.

    The second amendment is not there to arm people – it is there to secure people. The question is whether it offers security. I would compare Switzerland and the US. Swiss have 0.25 guns/capita (18th in world), the US have 1/capita (1st in world). But the Swiss’ gun homicide rate is 0.5/100,000, whilst the US’ gun homicide rate is 3/100,000. 6 times higher!!

    The Swiss are neutral (helps with the psychology of not using excess violence), and also have conscription for all males. Fair enough – it’s to defend the territory of your state.

    It’s the education that matters. Make a simple law – if you buy your first firearm, you must also buy a 50 hour course on firearm safety/use/whatnot..

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    Ilya, if you aren't a US citizen, then none of this is any of your business.
    , @Bill Jones
    What part of "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
    do you clowns fail to understand?
    , @trupright
    And how many African-Americans reside in Switzerland? I'm sure the US has at least six times more.
    This would largely explain the homicide differences.
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  73. This sounds like panic! There seems to be no doubt that the young are swinging leftward. As for the Muslim slave traders, didn’t Mr Derbyshire tell us that they had been smuggled into Britain on board the EU’s black helicopters?

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  74. @Ilya G Poimandres
    You can have as many guns as you want, but if you think that they will help you against a government that decides to actually oppress you, then you got another thing comming. First you'll run out of ammo, then they'll drone the fuck out of you, and not a single soldier will die. Militias brought balance 200 years ago. Now, it'll be like horses during WWI, sure - may help here or there, but mostly, not enough to overcome a war machine.

    If a foreign military actually decided to take on the US - and managed to overcome the US' military and government - it'd be even worse.

    Also, not having guns, may just make the US government less of a state sponsour of terrorism - more peaceful people, less glorifying of bloodshed etc.

    You do realize the American people have more ammo than the US Army, don’t you? How many drones do you have in relation to the possible combat tempo an all out civil war against the gun owners would entail? US military had to get ammo from Israel and others for the Iraq 2003 invasion.

    “Also, not having guns, may just make the US government less of a state sponsour of terrorism – more peaceful people, less glorifying of bloodshed etc.”

    Oh, so having guns preserves the SPIRIT OF RESISTANCE of thee American people. My my, isn’t that an interesting admission!

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  75. prusmc says: • Website
    @art guerrilla
    @ ilya-
    um, just WHO do you think populates the overwhelming majority of those serving in the military ? ? ?
    .
    hackysack-playin', tofu-eatin', chakra-spoutin' libtards who hate guns ? ? ?
    .
    ...or conservative-leaning good ole boys/grrls who belong to the NRA ? ? ?
    .
    when push comes to shove, they are going to gun down their LITERAL fathers, brothers, friends and relatives at the behest of their neo-lib superiors THEY DESPISE ? ? ?
    .
    ...OR, will these good ole boys turn those drones on the kongresskritters ? ? ?
    .
    as a former libtard, i know which way i am betting the shooting match goes...
    (hmmm, let's think this through: group with guns vs group without guns... gee, i wonder how that will turn out... *snort*)

    I have been there and agree about the type of person in the military. However, it is a deadly mistake to count on them to hesitate about orders from their paymasters. Furthermore, the forces are about 42 percent Black, Hispanic and many foreign born. Politically correct “commisars” are embedded down to the company level and SJW training is often emphasized at the expense of War Fighting, operational effectiveness and essential maintence. There is no chance of an OAS (Algeria 1961) from the US Forces.
    Note also how the Chicago Police reacted to the attacks on Trump supporters during the 2016 campaign compared to the action against leftist at the 68 Democrat Convention. Contrast the San Jose police at Trump rally with the LA police under Chief Parker during the Watts riots. Don’t even think about Baltimore and Charlottesville.
    Help is not on the way from any uniformed or other law enforcement sources. Sheriff Scott Israel personifies the situation.

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  76. Alfa158 says:
    @Corvinus
    “Marching these Parkland kids into the holds of ships then selling them into slavery to Muslims seems like a good plan to me.”

    This is your original statement. Bear this in mind.

    "I did not advocate murdering anyone."

    When you desire to have American children and adolescents be ripped from their homeland to sate your appetite for blood, with the distinct likelihood that some will perish during their journey, it's murder.

    "I advocated selling these alien invaders to our shores back to their Semite kinsmen."

    "Parkland kids" are not "invaders", they are American citizens who have legal protections. Yet, you advocate snuffing out their existence.

    "Jews and Muslims for that matter should not be allowed any of the freedoms left to Americans by the Founders. Both groups are incompatible with Western Culture."

    Actually, Jews and Muslims were part of the Thirteen Colonies. I wouldn't expect a savage like yourself to have a sense of my nation's history.

    We all want to be enlightened.
    For our education please fill in the blank spaces below the names of the Muslims who had any significant role in building the the Thirteen Colonies:
    1.________________
    2.________________
    3.________________
    4.________________
    5.________________
    6.________________
    7.________________
    You may use the other side of the paper for additional entries.
    Thank You

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    You do realize that tens of thousands of slaves brought over to the Thirteen Colonies were West African Muslims. Without their labor, northern shipping magnates and merchants and southern plantation owners would have not secured immense profits for their toil. It was an early form of European "gimmedats".

    Plantation owners in the Carolinas and New Orleans in the 1600's sought to add West African Muslims to their labor force since they had expertise in the cultivation of indigo and rice. Scholars have noted Muslim names and Islamic religious titles in slave inventories and death records. Among the enslaved in North Carolina was Omar ibn Said, who wrote an account of his life in 1831, describing how he had been forced to convert to Christianity. Ah, those noble savages...the Europeans I mean.
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  77. Alfa158 says:

    John; I don’t have the reference because it was many years ago, but one historical account I read claimed that Stephen of Cloyes didn’t get on the ships and eventually found his way home.
    BTW, there is a wonderfully stirring short story about the Children’s Crusade written by one of H.P. Lovecraft’s friends, H. Warner Munn. The story was The De Pertriche Ring. I occasionally re-read it and it is a terrific piece of classical heroic storytelling of a sort rarely written any more.

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  78. @Twodees Partain
    Someone trained as an actor has public speaking skills, but that doesn't make them a debater. You're right that he would probably dissolve in a debate, or under questioning by someone other than the media characters who have been interviewing him on news media shows.

    If we only had a young William F. Buckley. Even as a teen, he could have SHREDDED this guy.

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  79. @Jus' Sayin'...
    The video clip at the end of this article suggests that Hogg's rhetorical skills - particularly the body language - ensure him a great political future: https://www.libertyheadlines.com/youtube-puts-warning-satirical-video-david-hogg/

    And here’s the confirmation of something many people have suspected about Hogg’s motives:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5569163/Brother-Parkland-victim-says-shut-March-Lives.html

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    Libtard Daily Mail writer says "Pollock was questioning if 'their political agendas' were the reason behind his omission from the rally " after the man plainly said that he was shut out because his speech didn't fit the agenda. He didn't "question whether" the assholes who blocked him from attending did so to protect their agenda, he plainly stated that they did.

    Daily Mail does cover things that the US media won't cover, but they have to put their leftist spin on everything.
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  80. @Twodees Partain
    Guncontrol shills like you love to make the claim that there's no way to resist government force. Referring to gun owners as "fetishists" doesn't make your silly statements any more believable, they simply show what your agenda is.

    He’s obviously an actor

    Actually, it is a common theme in history that when leader arise, people cannot believe that they are Mrs. Jones next door’s little lad, so all kinds of mythology spring up.

    Who is this carpenter from Nazareth who debates the rabbis and priests like he knows something? This must be witchcraft!

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    Actually, carpenter is a mistranslation of ho tekton, a master of the craft, and nothing to do with woodwork. The craft referred to would be what we would today call the sciences.

    I love the movie clip though, The Life of Brian is a work of pure genius. Cheers.
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  81. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jonathan Mason
    It is really disgraceful how many people in the media have been attacking the Parkland kids. It actually makes the pro-gun lobbying movement look more juvenile than the high school activists. Even Mr. Derbyshire with his UK education seems to have had his central nervous system infected with gun fever due to overexposure to gunpowder fumes.

    Parkland survivors have every right to protest gun laws in view of the fact that the danger of the Parkland shooter was known to everyone for years, and yet there seemed to be no legal way to disarm him available to law enforcement and social services in his area.

    The NRA would do well to step out of the way before it is flattened by a tsunami of popular opinion. How do we really know who the five million members of the NRA are? Are there really 5 million? Who audits the numbers? What percentage of NRA spokespeople are simply retail gun owners versus people who are involved in dealing in guns for profit, or lobbying for profit?

    David Hogg will most likely be a successful politician of some kind before he is much older, since success in politics in the US is 90% related purely to name recognition, which he will have for many years to come. Probably he will be running for President as Republican candidate by the time he is 40. Of course there will be the allegations that he was born in Africa and delivered by a stork, and all the rest of it, but if he can jump that hurdle, he probably has a political career ahead that will take in issues other than arms control.

    Other famous Hoggs include Boss Hogg from the Dukes of Hazard, and Peter Hogg the UK airline pilot who buried his wife in Britain's deepest lake after a marital tiff.

    It is really disgraceful how many people in the media have been attacking the Parkland kids.

    No, what is disgraceful is the way that so many people have deferred to them. There is a reason why children are not allowed to vote. They are childish. They should not be making policy. The Parkland kids have chosen to make themselves public figures, so they can damned well put up with public scrutiny. They don’t get a pass. If they do, then every movement will simply find itself some adolescent human-shields to hide behind.

    Parkland survivors have every right to protest gun laws in view of the fact that the danger of the Parkland shooter was known to everyone for years, and yet there seemed to be no legal way to disarm him available to law enforcement and social services in his area.

    This is simply a lie. There were any number of actions on the part of the shooter that would have permitted him to be arrested or temporarily committed. Both of which would have prevented him from legally buying a gun. The school and local authorities chose not to do so, for whatever reason. They had a deliberate policy of not taking legal action against minority students, in order to close the disciplinary gap. Perhaps Cruz was spared the attention of the authorites because his name was Cruz.

    The NRA would do well to step out of the way before it is flattened by a tsunami of popular opinion.

    The NRA would do well continuing to do what they have always done: represent American citizens who want to preserve their historic rights against the enablers of tyranny. Like you.

    How do we really know who the five million members of the NRA are? Are there really 5 million?

    Several million at least. Their magazine subscriptions suggest at least 3.5 million. And there are many members who opt not to get their magazines. They represent far more actual public opinion than David Hogg and his string-pullers.

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    Forget it, Jake Mr. Anon, it's Chinatown Mr. Mason.

    We've been through this before. Some people ya just cain't reach ...
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  82. Mr. Anon says:
    @Corvinus
    “Marching these Parkland kids into the holds of ships then selling them into slavery to Muslims seems like a good plan to me.”

    This is your original statement. Bear this in mind.

    "I did not advocate murdering anyone."

    When you desire to have American children and adolescents be ripped from their homeland to sate your appetite for blood, with the distinct likelihood that some will perish during their journey, it's murder.

    "I advocated selling these alien invaders to our shores back to their Semite kinsmen."

    "Parkland kids" are not "invaders", they are American citizens who have legal protections. Yet, you advocate snuffing out their existence.

    "Jews and Muslims for that matter should not be allowed any of the freedoms left to Americans by the Founders. Both groups are incompatible with Western Culture."

    Actually, Jews and Muslims were part of the Thirteen Colonies. I wouldn't expect a savage like yourself to have a sense of my nation's history.

    I wouldn’t expect a savage like yourself to have a sense of my nation’s history.

    You and most of the rest of us don’t share a nation. So don’t presume an association that doesn’t exist. As far as I am concerned, you are an alien and an enemy.

    Anyway, there is no longer such a thing as the “American nation”, you silly, contemptible fool.

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    "You and most of the rest of us don’t share a nation. So don’t presume an association that doesn’t exist."

    I would hazard to guess that 90% of the American population would not share your sentiments.

    "As far as I am concerned, you are an alien and an enemy."

    As an American citizen who was born in this great country, I am other than an alien or an enemy. You really have a hankering for overblown generalizations.

    "Anyway, there is no longer such a thing as the “American nation”, you silly, contemptible fool."

    Actually, the American nation, warts and all, observably exists, despite your Chicken Little protests.
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  83. Tiny Duck says:

    I think it says a lot that you right wingers are terrified of a bunch of little kids

    That tells you something right there

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    Perhaps THIS will dispell some of your assumptions:

    https://youtu.be/Uj1ykZWtPYI
    , @Alfa158
    We're not terrified, we're contemptuous. Those are different sentiments, in case you're as confused as usual.

    It's like accusing people of being "homophobic". None of the people who dislike homosexuals are actually afraid of them, they just don't like them, or don't like their agenda. The correct word to describe those people would be homomisiac, but you won't find that in a dictionary because it isn't sufficiently pejorative.
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  84. @Ilya G Poimandres
    @Art

    Awwww maaan, twice now I dumbly clicked off my browser!! So, in short form:

    I'm not against guns if they do what is advertized - limit crime, limit state oppression, limit risk of invasion.

    The second amendment is not there to arm people - it is there to secure people. The question is whether it offers security. I would compare Switzerland and the US. Swiss have 0.25 guns/capita (18th in world), the US have 1/capita (1st in world). But the Swiss' gun homicide rate is 0.5/100,000, whilst the US' gun homicide rate is 3/100,000. 6 times higher!!

    The Swiss are neutral (helps with the psychology of not using excess violence), and also have conscription for all males. Fair enough - it's to defend the territory of your state.

    It's the education that matters. Make a simple law - if you buy your first firearm, you must also buy a 50 hour course on firearm safety/use/whatnot..

    Ilya, if you aren’t a US citizen, then none of this is any of your business.

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  85. @Tiny Duck
    I think it says a lot that you right wingers are terrified of a bunch of little kids

    That tells you something right there

    Perhaps THIS will dispell some of your assumptions:

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  86. renfro says:
    @Twodees Partain
    Hogg's skull is deformed. His head looks like a warped light bulb.

    Hogg looks like stick with a lop sided head stuck on it. I saw no signs of grief for his dead classmates in his act , only opportunism to use it for fame.
    Dollars to doughnuts he’s a young psychopath.

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    He blocked the brother of a victim from speaking. See the link on my post above.
    , @Twodees Partain
    Yep, inside that warped head is a warped mind. It won't take long for that to become apparent to more people.
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  87. Corvinus says:
    @Mr. Anon

    I wouldn’t expect a savage like yourself to have a sense of my nation’s history.
     
    You and most of the rest of us don't share a nation. So don't presume an association that doesn't exist. As far as I am concerned, you are an alien and an enemy.

    Anyway, there is no longer such a thing as the "American nation", you silly, contemptible fool.

    “You and most of the rest of us don’t share a nation. So don’t presume an association that doesn’t exist.”

    I would hazard to guess that 90% of the American population would not share your sentiments.

    “As far as I am concerned, you are an alien and an enemy.”

    As an American citizen who was born in this great country, I am other than an alien or an enemy. You really have a hankering for overblown generalizations.

    “Anyway, there is no longer such a thing as the “American nation”, you silly, contemptible fool.”

    Actually, the American nation, warts and all, observably exists, despite your Chicken Little protests.

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    You may not be an enemy, Corvinus, but neither birth on US soil nor US citizenship establishes that point.

    There are millions of people who were born on US soil to illegal-alien parents who had no right to be here under our laws in the first place; not one of those offspring of invaders ought to have been given citizenship,

    and it is not logical to assume that they are loyal to our nation merely because our overlords in the fed gov foolishly gave them something (citizenship) that they did not deserve and should not have.
    , @Mr. Anon

    I would hazard to guess that 90% of the American population would not share your sentiments.
     
    You are an idiot. I don't care what you would hazard to guess.

    As an American citizen who was born in this great country, I am other than an alien or an enemy.
     
    No, I'll decide who is and is not an enemy of mine. What you espouse is destructive to the interests of me and my people. You are therefore an enemy.

    Actually, the American nation, warts and all, observably exists, despite your Chicken Little protests.
     
    "Nation" is not the same as "Country", or "Empire". You don't know that, because you are exceedingly stupid.
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  88. Corvinus says:
    @Alfa158
    We all want to be enlightened.
    For our education please fill in the blank spaces below the names of the Muslims who had any significant role in building the the Thirteen Colonies:
    1.________________
    2.________________
    3.________________
    4.________________
    5.________________
    6.________________
    7.________________
    You may use the other side of the paper for additional entries.
    Thank You

    You do realize that tens of thousands of slaves brought over to the Thirteen Colonies were West African Muslims. Without their labor, northern shipping magnates and merchants and southern plantation owners would have not secured immense profits for their toil. It was an early form of European “gimmedats”.

    Plantation owners in the Carolinas and New Orleans in the 1600′s sought to add West African Muslims to their labor force since they had expertise in the cultivation of indigo and rice. Scholars have noted Muslim names and Islamic religious titles in slave inventories and death records. Among the enslaved in North Carolina was Omar ibn Said, who wrote an account of his life in 1831, describing how he had been forced to convert to Christianity. Ah, those noble savages…the Europeans I mean.

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    Since a tiny percentage of whites in the New World owned or traded slaves -- and the average white person did not benefit at all from slavery, on the contrary -- slavery cannot be pinned on the great majority of our ancestors.

    Moreover, slavery has been practiced by people of many races, colors, religions, and forms of government, certainly including those "poor persecuted" coreligionists of Mr. Muslim Slave of the 1830s. Nothing uniquely evil about any particular race or religion of people when it comes to slavery.

    , @Wally
    Silly Jew Corvinius, in denial again:

    Black researcher, Dr. Tony Martin, let's us know who the prime sellers & owners of slaves really were, Jews.
    Dr. Tony Martin - The Jewish Role in the African Slave Trade
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut7I75Q_-zA

    Slavery of black Africans would have never happened without black Africans selling their black African slaves first:
    African chiefs urged to apologise for slave trade
    Nigerian civil rights group says tribal leaders' ancestors sold people to slavers and should say sorry

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/nov/18/africans-apologise-slave-trade
    "African chiefs were the ones waging war on each other and capturing their own people and selling them. If anyone should apologise it should be the African chiefs. We still have those traitors here even today."
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  89. @renfro
    Hogg looks like stick with a lop sided head stuck on it. I saw no signs of grief for his dead classmates in his act , only opportunism to use it for fame.
    Dollars to doughnuts he's a young psychopath.

    He blocked the brother of a victim from speaking. See the link on my post above.

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  90. Alfa158 says:
    @Tiny Duck
    I think it says a lot that you right wingers are terrified of a bunch of little kids

    That tells you something right there

    We’re not terrified, we’re contemptuous. Those are different sentiments, in case you’re as confused as usual.

    It’s like accusing people of being “homophobic”. None of the people who dislike homosexuals are actually afraid of them, they just don’t like them, or don’t like their agenda. The correct word to describe those people would be homomisiac, but you won’t find that in a dictionary because it isn’t sufficiently pejorative.

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  91. bjondo says:

    Hogg’s handlers have found a 15 min Mussolini.

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  92. markflag says:

    When is one considered a survivor and when is one someone who happened to be somewhere in the area? The school is apparently large. The assault happened in a small area. It seems that Mr Hogg was nowhere near the assault. Did he survive anything or happen to be in the general area. What separates a survivor from someone who never experienced a credible risk?

    The overall mood in the U.S. is to proclaim oneself victim, survivor, or both. Everyone wants the designation survivor. It gets tiresome. I recall a man proclaiming loudly that he was a “survivor” or open-heart surgery. Everyone survives open heart surgery today: catheterization, surgery, rehab, home in about a week. No need to assume the identity of survivor. Is one of survivor of dental cleaning?

    It might be prudent to use the words victim and survivor for those who actually fulfill some sort of criteria of proximity and risk.

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    Good point. I'm as much a survivor of the shooting as Hogg is. Neither of us died that day, and both of us were in as much danger, though I wasn't in the same state.
    , @Daniel Chieh

    No need to assume the identity of survivor. Is one of survivor of dental cleaning?
     
    Yes. You all owe me affirmative action for it too now.
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  93. @Jonathan Mason

    The 911 caller told the dispatcher that an intoxicated man wearing blue jeans, no shirt, and a teal hat was causing a disturbance at that location.

    While the BCSO deputies were still on their way to the scene, the dispatcher told them that a burglary was in progress in the 400 block of Fricks Lane, which is adjacent to the location of the original disturbance call, the press release stated.

    “This caller said that a white male was attempting to break into her home through the back door and her husband, Joseph Combs, had shot the intruder,” the press release stated. “Deputy Michelle Carrier and Texas Department Public Safety Trooper Chad Turner arrived a short time later.”

    The law enforcement officers who arrived at the scene first found a man matching the description of the Bateson Lane disturbance suspect lying in the backyard of the home
     
    Yeah, so a homeowner shot a drunk male pedestrian nudist with questionable taste in hats and probably mental illness who was unarmed as far as one can tell from the report. No mention of the race of any of the combatants.

    Apparently he was not killed, so perhaps the hand of the householder was shaking. If it was a cop, he would have got 20 bullets in the back to make sure he could not talk.

    A better solution to avoid shooting one's intoxicated neighbors would be to relocate to a better area, preferably one with a neighborhood watch or a gated community.

    What would Jesus do?

    The strange thing about the story I quoted above is that apparently the NRA thinks that this is a fine example of a gun being used for public safety, rather than a tragic comedy that almost ended in the death of an unarmed man who was drunk.

    Here is a link to another story that the NRA will love:

    Danny Ray Thomas was wandering with his trousers around his ankles on a Houston street when he was shot dead by a deputy

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/apr/02/texas-protest-planned-for-unarmed-black-man-killed-by-police-officer

    Of course the officer told him to pull his pants up before shooting, so it was justified.

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    Unless you are arguing that the police should not be allowed to have guns because of incidents like this one, I'm not sure what bearing the Texas story has on the debate over self-defense and gun-rights / gun "control."

    And let's assume that the police in that Texas incident were utterly unjustified in shooting the man. How would that have any tendency to show that non-police shouldn't be allowed to own firearms for self-defense?

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    I didn't have time to reply to your early excerpt from the "Armed Citizen" column of the NRA America's 1st Freedom magazine.

    First of all, I appreciate your at least reading of my link. That being said, it was a shameful move of yours to highlight the one in 10 that had a white perpetrator. You know damn well, as you seem woke on the race/HBD issues, that whenever a race is not mentioned the criminal is usually black of hispanic. So, nice cherry-picking - where'd you pick up the bucket truck?

    Next, you've gotta know that in America (I mean you've been here for what, 3 decades) that a man's home is his castle. Drunk or not, a home invasion is a home invasion. Anything that is quite questionable can result in an arrest of a shooter too.

    You then bring up the cops now, very sillily, as that just proves the point of most here. The cops do not have to be as responsible as an armed citizen. They may kill someone, just as in your example, and get PAID time off, and will HARDLY EVER go to jail*. That's not the same for a non-cop who uses a gun for defense. Americans, drunk, high or whatever, should know not to trespass, or all bets are off. Some have to learn the hard way. Most people give all benefit of the doubt, but when the window or front-door glass starts getting broken, and the children are in their beds, it's time take off the safety.

    What are you going to do? You have 2 daughters, man; do you not care about them?

    .
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    * Hmmmm? Yet you don't advocate gun control for lawmen. Why not?
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  94. anonomy says:

    White Christian children being deceived and sold into slavery; perfectly acceptable.
    Not a single person appalled.

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  95. I don’t have any issues with youth taking on issues and advocating their point of view.

    My rejection is that youth is entitled to some unique protection from criticism. I am not sure of the fairness of attacking his complaint about not getting into this or that school. But if one decides to enter the political advocacy, they can’t cry foul because their position is challenged as well as their motives.

    “American nation” Unites States is probably more accurate so as to snatch the claim that south and mid Americans make that they too are Americans.

    There is a United States whose citizens are unique and separate from other citizens of any other state. Including separate from our foreign neighbors.

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  96. @renfro
    Hogg looks like stick with a lop sided head stuck on it. I saw no signs of grief for his dead classmates in his act , only opportunism to use it for fame.
    Dollars to doughnuts he's a young psychopath.

    Yep, inside that warped head is a warped mind. It won’t take long for that to become apparent to more people.

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  97. @Rosamond Vincy
    And here's the confirmation of something many people have suspected about Hogg's motives:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5569163/Brother-Parkland-victim-says-shut-March-Lives.html

    Libtard Daily Mail writer says “Pollock was questioning if ‘their political agendas’ were the reason behind his omission from the rally ” after the man plainly said that he was shut out because his speech didn’t fit the agenda. He didn’t “question whether” the assholes who blocked him from attending did so to protect their agenda, he plainly stated that they did.

    Daily Mail does cover things that the US media won’t cover, but they have to put their leftist spin on everything.

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    Daily Mail does cover things that the US media won’t cover,
     
    That's why I bother reading them. When the guy did the car&knife attack at my old grad school, Ohio State, DM revealed more and sooner than the US news--especially the identity of the attacker.

    Of course, this means weeding through scrolling past the usual number of click-baits on the Kardashians or Finding the Panda. And of course, the reverse is true: we usually hear about the latest UK jihadis on our news while the DM is still "investigating the alleged incident."
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  98. @markflag
    When is one considered a survivor and when is one someone who happened to be somewhere in the area? The school is apparently large. The assault happened in a small area. It seems that Mr Hogg was nowhere near the assault. Did he survive anything or happen to be in the general area. What separates a survivor from someone who never experienced a credible risk?

    The overall mood in the U.S. is to proclaim oneself victim, survivor, or both. Everyone wants the designation survivor. It gets tiresome. I recall a man proclaiming loudly that he was a "survivor" or open-heart surgery. Everyone survives open heart surgery today: catheterization, surgery, rehab, home in about a week. No need to assume the identity of survivor. Is one of survivor of dental cleaning?

    It might be prudent to use the words victim and survivor for those who actually fulfill some sort of criteria of proximity and risk.

    Good point. I’m as much a survivor of the shooting as Hogg is. Neither of us died that day, and both of us were in as much danger, though I wasn’t in the same state.

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  99. @markflag
    When is one considered a survivor and when is one someone who happened to be somewhere in the area? The school is apparently large. The assault happened in a small area. It seems that Mr Hogg was nowhere near the assault. Did he survive anything or happen to be in the general area. What separates a survivor from someone who never experienced a credible risk?

    The overall mood in the U.S. is to proclaim oneself victim, survivor, or both. Everyone wants the designation survivor. It gets tiresome. I recall a man proclaiming loudly that he was a "survivor" or open-heart surgery. Everyone survives open heart surgery today: catheterization, surgery, rehab, home in about a week. No need to assume the identity of survivor. Is one of survivor of dental cleaning?

    It might be prudent to use the words victim and survivor for those who actually fulfill some sort of criteria of proximity and risk.

    No need to assume the identity of survivor. Is one of survivor of dental cleaning?

    Yes. You all owe me affirmative action for it too now.

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    Hey, I just went through Root Canal. Where're my reparations?
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  100. anonymous[232] • Disclaimer says:
    @Chris Mallory
    I did not advocate murdering anyone. I advocated selling these alien invaders to our shores back to their Semite kinsmen.

    Trying to disarm Americas is trying to turn them into slaves. Free men are armed, slaves are not. Jews and Muslims for that matter should not be allowed any of the freedoms left to Americans by the Founders. Both groups are incompatible with Western Culture.


    "Punishment"? On a comment section? Sorry, I am not an internet tough guy, I don't make empty threats to people such as yourself.

    As a foreigner, I support the 2nd amendment. Nothing should be banned.

    Perhaps you ask why? Even if you don’t, that is because of degenerates like you… how else will the most potent evil on earth, get some well deserved comeuppance? Yes, you guessed it right, from within.

    When the most potent evil on earth blows up babies thousands of miles away, its degenerate denizens give a collective burp… let us see how that works out when something similar happens from within.

    Of course, the most preferred scenario would be racist scum gunning down other racist scum. You better watch out.

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    Africans shoot other Africans every day in the USA, so we already have "racist scum gunning down other racist scum." Or was that not what you had in mind?
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  101. Just more “deep state” shenanigans from the usual suspects..

    FOI Request reveals March for Our Lives planned MONTHS before shooting took place

    https://jamesfetzer.blogspot.com/2018/03/foi-request-reveals-march-for-our-lives.html

    March For Our Lives Demonstration, here in the District of Columbia on March 24, 2018. MPD received a permit application several months prior to the actual event, and there was several months of planning for this large event.

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  102. @Ilya G Poimandres
    @Art

    Awwww maaan, twice now I dumbly clicked off my browser!! So, in short form:

    I'm not against guns if they do what is advertized - limit crime, limit state oppression, limit risk of invasion.

    The second amendment is not there to arm people - it is there to secure people. The question is whether it offers security. I would compare Switzerland and the US. Swiss have 0.25 guns/capita (18th in world), the US have 1/capita (1st in world). But the Swiss' gun homicide rate is 0.5/100,000, whilst the US' gun homicide rate is 3/100,000. 6 times higher!!

    The Swiss are neutral (helps with the psychology of not using excess violence), and also have conscription for all males. Fair enough - it's to defend the territory of your state.

    It's the education that matters. Make a simple law - if you buy your first firearm, you must also buy a 50 hour course on firearm safety/use/whatnot..

    What part of “the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
    do you clowns fail to understand?

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  103. @David

    yet there seemed to be no legal way to disarm him available to law enforcement and social services in his area
     
    This is wrong. Cruz threatened to kill several people on a few occasions, felonies each one. If he had been charged for it, he wouldn't have been able to arm himself.

    Obviously not true.
    He could have got a gun illegally.
    This gun control fever is utter bullshit.
    As I am wont to say, murder is already illegal .

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    Cruz would have already been in prison for his crimes if the justice system had simply enforced current law. Gun control behind bars should be workable.
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  104. trupright says:
    @Ilya G Poimandres
    @Art

    Awwww maaan, twice now I dumbly clicked off my browser!! So, in short form:

    I'm not against guns if they do what is advertized - limit crime, limit state oppression, limit risk of invasion.

    The second amendment is not there to arm people - it is there to secure people. The question is whether it offers security. I would compare Switzerland and the US. Swiss have 0.25 guns/capita (18th in world), the US have 1/capita (1st in world). But the Swiss' gun homicide rate is 0.5/100,000, whilst the US' gun homicide rate is 3/100,000. 6 times higher!!

    The Swiss are neutral (helps with the psychology of not using excess violence), and also have conscription for all males. Fair enough - it's to defend the territory of your state.

    It's the education that matters. Make a simple law - if you buy your first firearm, you must also buy a 50 hour course on firearm safety/use/whatnot..

    And how many African-Americans reside in Switzerland? I’m sure the US has at least six times more.
    This would largely explain the homicide differences.

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  105. Ickenham says:

    In addition to Lord Hailsham, another notable man of the name Hogg was the prolific author of illustrated books about guns, Ian V. Hogg.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_V._Hogg

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  106. @Twodees Partain
    Libtard Daily Mail writer says "Pollock was questioning if 'their political agendas' were the reason behind his omission from the rally " after the man plainly said that he was shut out because his speech didn't fit the agenda. He didn't "question whether" the assholes who blocked him from attending did so to protect their agenda, he plainly stated that they did.

    Daily Mail does cover things that the US media won't cover, but they have to put their leftist spin on everything.

    Daily Mail does cover things that the US media won’t cover,

    That’s why I bother reading them. When the guy did the car&knife attack at my old grad school, Ohio State, DM revealed more and sooner than the US news–especially the identity of the attacker.

    Of course, this means weeding through scrolling past the usual number of click-baits on the Kardashians or Finding the Panda. And of course, the reverse is true: we usually hear about the latest UK jihadis on our news while the DM is still “investigating the alleged incident.”

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  107. @Corvinus
    "You and most of the rest of us don’t share a nation. So don’t presume an association that doesn’t exist."

    I would hazard to guess that 90% of the American population would not share your sentiments.

    "As far as I am concerned, you are an alien and an enemy."

    As an American citizen who was born in this great country, I am other than an alien or an enemy. You really have a hankering for overblown generalizations.

    "Anyway, there is no longer such a thing as the “American nation”, you silly, contemptible fool."

    Actually, the American nation, warts and all, observably exists, despite your Chicken Little protests.

    You may not be an enemy, Corvinus, but neither birth on US soil nor US citizenship establishes that point.

    There are millions of people who were born on US soil to illegal-alien parents who had no right to be here under our laws in the first place; not one of those offspring of invaders ought to have been given citizenship,

    and it is not logical to assume that they are loyal to our nation merely because our overlords in the fed gov foolishly gave them something (citizenship) that they did not deserve and should not have.

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    "There are millions of people who were born on US soil to illegal-alien parents who had no right to be here under our laws in the first place..."

    Absolutely.

    "not one of those offspring of invaders ought to have been given citizenship..."

    Damn birthright!

    "and it is not logical to assume that they are loyal to our nation merely because our overlords in the fed gov foolishly gave them something (citizenship) that they did not deserve and should not have."

    The same logic applied to those Europeans who came here as well. They must go back.

    https://www.cnn.com/2017/03/16/us/white-irish-undocumented-trnd/index.html
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  108. @Daniel Chieh

    No need to assume the identity of survivor. Is one of survivor of dental cleaning?
     
    Yes. You all owe me affirmative action for it too now.

    Hey, I just went through Root Canal. Where’re my reparations?

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    Hey, I just went through Root Canal. Where’re my reparations?
     
    Just when you thought we had grown as a country .. you're one of those anti-dentites, aren't you?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ne_ucyzLK6E?t=27
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  109. David says:
    @pepperinmono
    Obviously not true.
    He could have got a gun illegally.
    This gun control fever is utter bullshit.
    As I am wont to say, murder is already illegal .

    Cruz would have already been in prison for his crimes if the justice system had simply enforced current law. Gun control behind bars should be workable.

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  110. @Corvinus
    You do realize that tens of thousands of slaves brought over to the Thirteen Colonies were West African Muslims. Without their labor, northern shipping magnates and merchants and southern plantation owners would have not secured immense profits for their toil. It was an early form of European "gimmedats".

    Plantation owners in the Carolinas and New Orleans in the 1600's sought to add West African Muslims to their labor force since they had expertise in the cultivation of indigo and rice. Scholars have noted Muslim names and Islamic religious titles in slave inventories and death records. Among the enslaved in North Carolina was Omar ibn Said, who wrote an account of his life in 1831, describing how he had been forced to convert to Christianity. Ah, those noble savages...the Europeans I mean.

    Since a tiny percentage of whites in the New World owned or traded slaves — and the average white person did not benefit at all from slavery, on the contrary — slavery cannot be pinned on the great majority of our ancestors.

    Moreover, slavery has been practiced by people of many races, colors, religions, and forms of government, certainly including those “poor persecuted” coreligionists of Mr. Muslim Slave of the 1830s. Nothing uniquely evil about any particular race or religion of people when it comes to slavery.

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    "Since a tiny percentage of whites in the New World owned or traded slaves — and the average white person did not benefit at all from slavery, on the contrary — slavery cannot be pinned on the great majority of our ancestors."

    The expansion of slavery, and the subsequent destruction of African societies, is pinned on white Europeans. If certain whites gleefully claim that "whites created great things in the world", then they will also have to painfully admit that "whites destroyed great things in the world".

    Furthermore, the average white person did benefit from slavery. Raw cotton was made into clothing; raw sugar was used for bread, candy, and liquor. The merchants who supplied clothing and food to the slave traders and plantation owners profited. Northern capitalists provided insurance for the owners' investments. Just a few examples how slavery in some way, shape, or form impacted white Americans in general.

    "Moreover, slavery has been practiced by people of many races, colors, religions, and forms of government, certainly including those “poor persecuted” coreligionists of Mr. Muslim Slave of the 1830s. Nothing uniquely evil about any particular race or religion of people when it comes to slavery."

    Except Europeans, compared to other groups, chose not to pick their own damn cotton, and in the process pillaged and plundered an entire continent, with its effects still reverberating today. Besides, had those darkies been simply left alone, we would not have our racial problems in the United States today, right?
    , @Ron Unz

    Since a tiny percentage of whites in the New World owned or traded slaves — and the average white person did not benefit at all from slavery, on the contrary — slavery cannot be pinned on the great majority of our ancestors.
     
    Well, I'm busy with software work but I might as well republish my somewhat relevant slavery/reparations comment from a year ago:

    ...I personally find this suggestion rather distasteful, but I suppose a case could be made for paying reparations to the current descendants of American slaves…

    On the other hand, based on similar reasoning, the reparations funds themselves should obviously be obtained from the current descendants of the American slave-owners. After all, it’s silly to charge Asians, Hispanics, latter white immigrants, or pre-1865 Northerners for the misbehavior of Southern whites. And indeed only a fraction of Southern whites ever owned slaves.

    Ironically enough, I’d bet that the current American group with by far the largest fraction of white slave-owner ancestry would be…lighter-skinned American blacks!

    So, presumably, the correct way to implement this sensible proposal would be to confiscate pretty much the entire accumulated wealth of all the lighter-skinned American blacks and distribute it to the darker-skinned American blacks…

    From the hints I’ve seen here and there, such an approach would provoke an enormously enthusiastic reaction from the darker-skinned American blacks…
     
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/yglesias-charles-murray-is-basically-hitler/#comment-1789027
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  111. @Jonathan Mason
    The strange thing about the story I quoted above is that apparently the NRA thinks that this is a fine example of a gun being used for public safety, rather than a tragic comedy that almost ended in the death of an unarmed man who was drunk.

    Here is a link to another story that the NRA will love:

    Danny Ray Thomas was wandering with his trousers around his ankles on a Houston street when he was shot dead by a deputy

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/apr/02/texas-protest-planned-for-unarmed-black-man-killed-by-police-officer

    Of course the officer told him to pull his pants up before shooting, so it was justified.

    Unless you are arguing that the police should not be allowed to have guns because of incidents like this one, I’m not sure what bearing the Texas story has on the debate over self-defense and gun-rights / gun “control.”

    And let’s assume that the police in that Texas incident were utterly unjustified in shooting the man. How would that have any tendency to show that non-police shouldn’t be allowed to own firearms for self-defense?

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  112. So when will the media show some of the gun owners, you know the other side of the story?
    Why does the minority always get all the air time?
    Why does the other side get banned, silenced, what are they afraid of?
    Oh thats right, they have an agenda, that excludes most of the people in this country. Same with the holohoax, 9/11, they don’t want you to hear the other side because it makes too much sense, and rational people will start asking questions, and lyin’ tyrants fear questions…

    If this is “free press”, when only one side gets heard, and most media is owned by a small hostile cult, we need something else, they’re a disgrace to America. They should all be registered as foreign agents, AIPAC and all the foreign lobbies too. No more dual citizens in govt. Its horrible, that I can tell you.

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  113. Corvinus says:
    @RadicalCenter
    Since a tiny percentage of whites in the New World owned or traded slaves -- and the average white person did not benefit at all from slavery, on the contrary -- slavery cannot be pinned on the great majority of our ancestors.

    Moreover, slavery has been practiced by people of many races, colors, religions, and forms of government, certainly including those "poor persecuted" coreligionists of Mr. Muslim Slave of the 1830s. Nothing uniquely evil about any particular race or religion of people when it comes to slavery.

    “Since a tiny percentage of whites in the New World owned or traded slaves — and the average white person did not benefit at all from slavery, on the contrary — slavery cannot be pinned on the great majority of our ancestors.”

    The expansion of slavery, and the subsequent destruction of African societies, is pinned on white Europeans. If certain whites gleefully claim that “whites created great things in the world”, then they will also have to painfully admit that “whites destroyed great things in the world”.

    Furthermore, the average white person did benefit from slavery. Raw cotton was made into clothing; raw sugar was used for bread, candy, and liquor. The merchants who supplied clothing and food to the slave traders and plantation owners profited. Northern capitalists provided insurance for the owners’ investments. Just a few examples how slavery in some way, shape, or form impacted white Americans in general.

    “Moreover, slavery has been practiced by people of many races, colors, religions, and forms of government, certainly including those “poor persecuted” coreligionists of Mr. Muslim Slave of the 1830s. Nothing uniquely evil about any particular race or religion of people when it comes to slavery.”

    Except Europeans, compared to other groups, chose not to pick their own damn cotton, and in the process pillaged and plundered an entire continent, with its effects still reverberating today. Besides, had those darkies been simply left alone, we would not have our racial problems in the United States today, right?

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    Except Europeans, compared to other groups, chose not to pick their own damn cotton, and in the process pillaged and plundered an entire continent, with its effects still reverberating today.
     
    So Africa was a super-Wakanda before the European slave ships arrived on its shores. Of course the Africans who raided villages to procure these slaves had no agency, and the fact that Europeans were the only people to outlaw and actively suppress the slave trade means nothing either.
    , @sayless
    "Europeans...chose not to pick their own damn cotton"

    That's not true. Johnny Cash picked cotton; he started out as a water carrier to his parents and brothers and sisters in the field when he was five.

    You really are a propagandist and a liar.
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  114. @anonymous
    As a foreigner, I support the 2nd amendment. Nothing should be banned.

    Perhaps you ask why? Even if you don't, that is because of degenerates like you... how else will the most potent evil on earth, get some well deserved comeuppance? Yes, you guessed it right, from within.

    When the most potent evil on earth blows up babies thousands of miles away, its degenerate denizens give a collective burp... let us see how that works out when something similar happens from within.

    Of course, the most preferred scenario would be racist scum gunning down other racist scum. You better watch out.

    Africans shoot other Africans every day in the USA, so we already have “racist scum gunning down other racist scum.” Or was that not what you had in mind?

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  115. Corvinus says:
    @RadicalCenter
    You may not be an enemy, Corvinus, but neither birth on US soil nor US citizenship establishes that point.

    There are millions of people who were born on US soil to illegal-alien parents who had no right to be here under our laws in the first place; not one of those offspring of invaders ought to have been given citizenship,

    and it is not logical to assume that they are loyal to our nation merely because our overlords in the fed gov foolishly gave them something (citizenship) that they did not deserve and should not have.

    “There are millions of people who were born on US soil to illegal-alien parents who had no right to be here under our laws in the first place…”

    Absolutely.

    “not one of those offspring of invaders ought to have been given citizenship…”

    Damn birthright!

    “and it is not logical to assume that they are loyal to our nation merely because our overlords in the fed gov foolishly gave them something (citizenship) that they did not deserve and should not have.”

    The same logic applied to those Europeans who came here as well. They must go back.

    https://www.cnn.com/2017/03/16/us/white-irish-undocumented-trnd/index.html

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  116. @Mr. Anon

    It is really disgraceful how many people in the media have been attacking the Parkland kids.
     
    No, what is disgraceful is the way that so many people have deferred to them. There is a reason why children are not allowed to vote. They are childish. They should not be making policy. The Parkland kids have chosen to make themselves public figures, so they can damned well put up with public scrutiny. They don't get a pass. If they do, then every movement will simply find itself some adolescent human-shields to hide behind.

    Parkland survivors have every right to protest gun laws in view of the fact that the danger of the Parkland shooter was known to everyone for years, and yet there seemed to be no legal way to disarm him available to law enforcement and social services in his area.
     
    This is simply a lie. There were any number of actions on the part of the shooter that would have permitted him to be arrested or temporarily committed. Both of which would have prevented him from legally buying a gun. The school and local authorities chose not to do so, for whatever reason. They had a deliberate policy of not taking legal action against minority students, in order to close the disciplinary gap. Perhaps Cruz was spared the attention of the authorites because his name was Cruz.

    The NRA would do well to step out of the way before it is flattened by a tsunami of popular opinion.
     
    The NRA would do well continuing to do what they have always done: represent American citizens who want to preserve their historic rights against the enablers of tyranny. Like you.

    How do we really know who the five million members of the NRA are? Are there really 5 million?
     
    Several million at least. Their magazine subscriptions suggest at least 3.5 million. And there are many members who opt not to get their magazines. They represent far more actual public opinion than David Hogg and his string-pullers.

    Forget it, Jake Mr. Anon, it’s Chinatown Mr. Mason.

    We’ve been through this before. Some people ya just cain’t reach …

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  117. @Jonathan Mason
    The strange thing about the story I quoted above is that apparently the NRA thinks that this is a fine example of a gun being used for public safety, rather than a tragic comedy that almost ended in the death of an unarmed man who was drunk.

    Here is a link to another story that the NRA will love:

    Danny Ray Thomas was wandering with his trousers around his ankles on a Houston street when he was shot dead by a deputy

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/apr/02/texas-protest-planned-for-unarmed-black-man-killed-by-police-officer

    Of course the officer told him to pull his pants up before shooting, so it was justified.

    I didn’t have time to reply to your early excerpt from the “Armed Citizen” column of the NRA America’s 1st Freedom magazine.

    First of all, I appreciate your at least reading of my link. That being said, it was a shameful move of yours to highlight the one in 10 that had a white perpetrator. You know damn well, as you seem woke on the race/HBD issues, that whenever a race is not mentioned the criminal is usually black of hispanic. So, nice cherry-picking – where’d you pick up the bucket truck?

    Next, you’ve gotta know that in America (I mean you’ve been here for what, 3 decades) that a man’s home is his castle. Drunk or not, a home invasion is a home invasion. Anything that is quite questionable can result in an arrest of a shooter too.

    You then bring up the cops now, very sillily, as that just proves the point of most here. The cops do not have to be as responsible as an armed citizen. They may kill someone, just as in your example, and get PAID time off, and will HARDLY EVER go to jail*. That’s not the same for a non-cop who uses a gun for defense. Americans, drunk, high or whatever, should know not to trespass, or all bets are off. Some have to learn the hard way. Most people give all benefit of the doubt, but when the window or front-door glass starts getting broken, and the children are in their beds, it’s time take off the safety.

    What are you going to do? You have 2 daughters, man; do you not care about them?

    .
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    * Hmmmm? Yet you don’t advocate gun control for lawmen. Why not?

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  118. Ron Unz says:
    @RadicalCenter
    Since a tiny percentage of whites in the New World owned or traded slaves -- and the average white person did not benefit at all from slavery, on the contrary -- slavery cannot be pinned on the great majority of our ancestors.

    Moreover, slavery has been practiced by people of many races, colors, religions, and forms of government, certainly including those "poor persecuted" coreligionists of Mr. Muslim Slave of the 1830s. Nothing uniquely evil about any particular race or religion of people when it comes to slavery.

    Since a tiny percentage of whites in the New World owned or traded slaves — and the average white person did not benefit at all from slavery, on the contrary — slavery cannot be pinned on the great majority of our ancestors.

    Well, I’m busy with software work but I might as well republish my somewhat relevant slavery/reparations comment from a year ago:

    …I personally find this suggestion rather distasteful, but I suppose a case could be made for paying reparations to the current descendants of American slaves…

    On the other hand, based on similar reasoning, the reparations funds themselves should obviously be obtained from the current descendants of the American slave-owners. After all, it’s silly to charge Asians, Hispanics, latter white immigrants, or pre-1865 Northerners for the misbehavior of Southern whites. And indeed only a fraction of Southern whites ever owned slaves.

    Ironically enough, I’d bet that the current American group with by far the largest fraction of white slave-owner ancestry would be…lighter-skinned American blacks!

    So, presumably, the correct way to implement this sensible proposal would be to confiscate pretty much the entire accumulated wealth of all the lighter-skinned American blacks and distribute it to the darker-skinned American blacks…

    From the hints I’ve seen here and there, such an approach would provoke an enormously enthusiastic reaction from the darker-skinned American blacks…

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/yglesias-charles-murray-is-basically-hitler/#comment-1789027

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    Yeah, you're on the right track there, Mr. Unz. There's nothing wrong with what you wrote, but that doesn't go far enough. Why should anyone who was not personally involved in slave ownership be on the hook for anything? Why should anyone who was not a slave himself receive anything?

    Come on - there've been mass murderers who've had children. Do we try to collect reparations from the children to pay off the families of the victims of said murderers?

    The American Founders did not base their ideas of law and justice off of the Old Testament sins-of-the-fathers crap. They knew it's wrong, and so does everyone now. The black "leaders" just want the cash, as they really suck in money management. We all know that too.

    So, presumably, the correct way to implement this sensible proposal would be to confiscate pretty much the entire accumulated wealth of all the lighter-skinned American blacks and distribute it to the darker-skinned American blacks…
     
    Yeah, good stuff here... throw it back at 'em!
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  119. @Jonathan Mason

    The 911 caller told the dispatcher that an intoxicated man wearing blue jeans, no shirt, and a teal hat was causing a disturbance at that location.

    While the BCSO deputies were still on their way to the scene, the dispatcher told them that a burglary was in progress in the 400 block of Fricks Lane, which is adjacent to the location of the original disturbance call, the press release stated.

    “This caller said that a white male was attempting to break into her home through the back door and her husband, Joseph Combs, had shot the intruder,” the press release stated. “Deputy Michelle Carrier and Texas Department Public Safety Trooper Chad Turner arrived a short time later.”

    The law enforcement officers who arrived at the scene first found a man matching the description of the Bateson Lane disturbance suspect lying in the backyard of the home
     
    Yeah, so a homeowner shot a drunk male pedestrian nudist with questionable taste in hats and probably mental illness who was unarmed as far as one can tell from the report. No mention of the race of any of the combatants.

    Apparently he was not killed, so perhaps the hand of the householder was shaking. If it was a cop, he would have got 20 bullets in the back to make sure he could not talk.

    A better solution to avoid shooting one's intoxicated neighbors would be to relocate to a better area, preferably one with a neighborhood watch or a gated community.

    What would Jesus do?

    A better solution to avoid shooting one’s intoxicated neighbors would be to relocate to a better area, preferably one with a neighborhood watch or a gated community.

    What would Jesus do?

    I’ll tell you what Jesus wouldn’t have done – live in a gated community. He may have sold his cloak and traded it in for a sword, though. Unfortunately for him and the disciples, Samuel Colt was just a sparkle in Mr. Colt’s eye back in 30 AD, so that’s why the verse reads as it does. Plus, the crucification and all. (Yeah, I know I should have written this yesterday – more timely.)

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    Peter was obviously up for a knife fight, but Jesus stopped him. If it had all turned into a barroom brawl instead of a trial, I am sure Peter never would have chickened out.
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  120. @Ron Unz

    Since a tiny percentage of whites in the New World owned or traded slaves — and the average white person did not benefit at all from slavery, on the contrary — slavery cannot be pinned on the great majority of our ancestors.
     
    Well, I'm busy with software work but I might as well republish my somewhat relevant slavery/reparations comment from a year ago:

    ...I personally find this suggestion rather distasteful, but I suppose a case could be made for paying reparations to the current descendants of American slaves…

    On the other hand, based on similar reasoning, the reparations funds themselves should obviously be obtained from the current descendants of the American slave-owners. After all, it’s silly to charge Asians, Hispanics, latter white immigrants, or pre-1865 Northerners for the misbehavior of Southern whites. And indeed only a fraction of Southern whites ever owned slaves.

    Ironically enough, I’d bet that the current American group with by far the largest fraction of white slave-owner ancestry would be…lighter-skinned American blacks!

    So, presumably, the correct way to implement this sensible proposal would be to confiscate pretty much the entire accumulated wealth of all the lighter-skinned American blacks and distribute it to the darker-skinned American blacks…

    From the hints I’ve seen here and there, such an approach would provoke an enormously enthusiastic reaction from the darker-skinned American blacks…
     
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/yglesias-charles-murray-is-basically-hitler/#comment-1789027

    Yeah, you’re on the right track there, Mr. Unz. There’s nothing wrong with what you wrote, but that doesn’t go far enough. Why should anyone who was not personally involved in slave ownership be on the hook for anything? Why should anyone who was not a slave himself receive anything?

    Come on – there’ve been mass murderers who’ve had children. Do we try to collect reparations from the children to pay off the families of the victims of said murderers?

    The American Founders did not base their ideas of law and justice off of the Old Testament sins-of-the-fathers crap. They knew it’s wrong, and so does everyone now. The black “leaders” just want the cash, as they really suck in money management. We all know that too.

    So, presumably, the correct way to implement this sensible proposal would be to confiscate pretty much the entire accumulated wealth of all the lighter-skinned American blacks and distribute it to the darker-skinned American blacks…

    Yeah, good stuff here… throw it back at ‘em!

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  121. @Rosamond Vincy
    Hey, I just went through Root Canal. Where're my reparations?

    Hey, I just went through Root Canal. Where’re my reparations?

    Just when you thought we had grown as a country .. you’re one of those anti-dentites, aren’t you?

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    No soup for me!

    Wait.. soup's one of the few things I can handle right now.

    That and ice cream--alas.

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  122. @Achmed E. Newman

    A better solution to avoid shooting one’s intoxicated neighbors would be to relocate to a better area, preferably one with a neighborhood watch or a gated community.

    What would Jesus do?

     
    I'll tell you what Jesus wouldn't have done - live in a gated community. He may have sold his cloak and traded it in for a sword, though. Unfortunately for him and the disciples, Samuel Colt was just a sparkle in Mr. Colt's eye back in 30 AD, so that's why the verse reads as it does. Plus, the crucification and all. (Yeah, I know I should have written this yesterday - more timely.)

    Peter was obviously up for a knife fight, but Jesus stopped him. If it had all turned into a barroom brawl instead of a trial, I am sure Peter never would have chickened out.

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  123. @Corvinus
    "Marching these Parkland kids into the holds of ships then selling them into slavery to Muslims seems like a good plan to me."

    Typical fascist standard fare on your part. Perhaps you can write new material.

    "You bet there is. If you’ve been wondering how a bunch of adolescents could manage the funding and organization of this march, and similar events nationwide..."

    Which, Mr. Derbyshire, is a red herring. Unless, of course, he wants to talk about who funds his own efforts.

    Cuck.

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  124. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Twodees Partain
    Guncontrol shills like you love to make the claim that there's no way to resist government force. Referring to gun owners as "fetishists" doesn't make your silly statements any more believable, they simply show what your agenda is.

    Guncontrol shills like you love to make the claim that there’s no way to resist government force. Referring to gun owners as “fetishists” doesn’t make your silly statements any more believable, they simply show what your agenda is.

    I’m not in favour of gun control. As far as I’m concerned people can have as many guns as they want.

    I also don’t say there’s no way to resist government force.

    I just don’t think private ownership of guns is going to be relevant in the kind of political struggle we’re facing. The Redcoats are not going to obligingly march up Bunker Hill in neat lines so that brave patriots can pick them off.

    Can’t you understand that your political enemies want you to rely on guns to resist them? Because they know that they have the technology and the manpower to crush an armed insurrection very easily and then they have a ready-made excuse to round up all dissenters. You’re playing into their hands.

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    You're right, that is after all how it worked in both Afghanistan and Iraq. The US military crushed the Taliban and Al Qaeda and rounded them all up in something like six weeks. The US was then able to withdraw and allow those two countries to turn into the versions of 1960's Sweden they have been ever since. In the US that would take even less time because the insurrectionists will be the neighbors, co-ethnics and fellow Americans of the White men who make up the bulk of the US military. That means that Pvt. Bobby Joe will be even more eager to shoot Mr. Joe Bob than he was to shoot Mohamed the Merciless. Therefore the best way to win is to surrender.
    Getting serous again. The point of the guns is not to march on Washington in a disorganized group in order to overthrow the government. The only people advocating that are the undercover agents infiltrating dissident political groups who object to the rule of the Global Cathedral. Gun possession is first of all for defense against civil unrest and crime. Anarcho-tyranny is one way the elite hope to control us. The ability to shoot back against rioters coming into your home and neighborhood is a powerful tool for resistance. Without them all you have is passivity. Disarming the Top and Bottom want to disarm the Middle as a means of demoralizing them and teaching them they can't resist.
    Yes, even tens of millions of armed Americans can't take out many tanks and helicopters, but what history has demonstrated is that you can occupy a country from inside a tank, but you can't govern it. The real resistance as you say won't be done with guns, but owning guns means you are a citizen rather than a subject. Without that mind-set you are going to lose.
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  125. Wally says:
    @Renoman
    Down with the NRA, it's time is long over. Time for common sense to surface, get rid of your lobby system it is eating you alive and making you look like fools.

    Except that NRA membership is growing rapidly.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5461765/NRA-sees-huge-surge-membership-Parkland.html

    We also see that London, where guns are banned, now has as high a murder rate as NYC.

    http://abcnews.go.com/International/londons-murder-rate-overtakes-yorks-time-modern-history/story?id=54171310

    It’s you who looks like a fool.

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  126. Wally says:
    @Peter Akuleyev
    What has the people in power shaking is the thought that if, as their hearts desire, they were to stage a coup and establish a Chinese-style panopticon of thought control and repression of dissent, they might find themselves opposed by millions of armed citizens.

    Not for a second do the people in power fear this. Derbyshire must realize, after a moment's reflection, how ridiculous this statement is. People in power do not stage coups, because they are already in power. For all intents and purposes we already have a panopticon of thought control and repression of dissent in the US, and the number of citizens taking up arms is miniscule.

    The elites are quite good at playing 3 card monte to keep Americans distracted while the elites rob them blind. Look at Trump talking about walls he isn't building while his Goldman Sachs buddies enrich themselves at tax payer expense. Real wage growth in the US in 2018 is predicted be lower than in 2017 (https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandtools/hr-topics/compensation/pages/2018-salary-forecast-us-global.aspx) but I don't see any Americans going to the barricades. They are happy to focus on whatever made up controversy MSNBC and Fox News decide to feed them.

    For the most part guns in the United States act as nothing more than a tattered security blanket people cling to. Americans sacrificed most of their freedoms long ago, but as long as they are allowed to have an AR-15 they can target shoot with, they can convince themselves they are the last bastion of freedom.

    said:
    ” but as long as they are allowed to have an AR-15 they can target shoot with, they can convince themselves they are the last bastion of freedom.”

    Yet everyone wants INTO the US, not out of it.

    A safe bet that you are not leaving either.

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    Yet everyone wants INTO the US, not out of it.

    A safe bet that you are not leaving either.

    I left years ago. Despite many other drawbacks, daily life is still a lot freer in Europe than in the US, crime is still lower and as bad as the immigrants are, they are still, barely, better neighbors than American “POC”. Most people move to the US because the US still offers more economic opportunities for newcomers than any other country in the world, not because they want to own guns.
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  127. dfordoom says: • Website
    @grapesoda
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-q4bEULG64

    "It's not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

    Barack Obama

    It really bothers you a lot, those stupid proles being able to defend themselves huh. You understand nothing about asymmetrical warfare and the political leanings of the US military and police force.

    This poster is another Corvinus, here to run interference and make no convincing arguments whatsoever. In 20-30 years though, you shall probably have your wish for leftist totalitarian government in the US. Time is not on our side, unless something drastic changes.

    In 20-30 years though, you shall probably have your wish for leftist totalitarian government in the US.

    The U.S. is already well on the way to totalitarianism. And all those guns haven’t prevented that from happening. One by one freedoms have been taken away. The apparatus of totalitarianism is already in existence. I’m still waiting to see those brave patriots picking up their AR-15s to offer resistance. What those brave patriots are actually doing is using the internet to share their fantasies.

    It isn’t going to happen. Westerners are not Afghans. Westerners are too soft and too selfish. Maybe you could say too civilised. They don’t have the mindset for guerrilla war. And, most importantly, at this stage western dissidents don’t have a belief system strong enough to allow them to endure the sacrifices that guerrilla war would entail.

    Time is not on our side, unless something drastic changes.

    I agree with that. But we’ll need to be smart to win. We’ll need leadership. And dedication. At this stage we have no leadership.

    A bunch of guys with AR-15s who have no leadership and no coherent plan is just a rabble. They might as well be armed with spears.

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    One by one freedoms have been taken away. The apparatus of totalitarianism is already in existence. I’m still waiting to see those brave patriots picking up their AR-15s to offer resistance. What those brave patriots are actually doing is using the internet to share their fantasies.
     
    When the government decreed that we the people must buy health insurance from for-profit insurance companies that guaranteed a 20% margin of profit to the insurance companies, where was the NRA and where were the militias then?
    , @Joe Stalin
    "A bunch of guys with AR-15s who have no leadership and no coherent plan is just a rabble. "

    But a self-organizing leaderless resistance is something that cannot be decapitated by government action, can it? That is the whole point of the unorganized militia. Why does the Jewish Anti-Defamation League continuously try to get anti-militia legislation passed in order to disable organized training? The answer is obvious; militia represents a threat to TPTB.

    "Alarmed by hate group activity in the early 1980's, the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith drew up a model anti-paramilitary ordinance, which now exists in varying forms in 24 states."

    https://www.nytimes.com/1995/05/10/us/paramilitary-groups-are-presenting-delicate-legal-choices-for-the-states.html
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  128. Wally says:
    @Corvinus
    You do realize that tens of thousands of slaves brought over to the Thirteen Colonies were West African Muslims. Without their labor, northern shipping magnates and merchants and southern plantation owners would have not secured immense profits for their toil. It was an early form of European "gimmedats".

    Plantation owners in the Carolinas and New Orleans in the 1600's sought to add West African Muslims to their labor force since they had expertise in the cultivation of indigo and rice. Scholars have noted Muslim names and Islamic religious titles in slave inventories and death records. Among the enslaved in North Carolina was Omar ibn Said, who wrote an account of his life in 1831, describing how he had been forced to convert to Christianity. Ah, those noble savages...the Europeans I mean.

    Silly Jew Corvinius, in denial again:

    Black researcher, Dr. Tony Martin, let’s us know who the prime sellers & owners of slaves really were, Jews.
    Dr. Tony Martin – The Jewish Role in the African Slave Trade

    Slavery of black Africans would have never happened without black Africans selling their black African slaves first:
    African chiefs urged to apologise for slave trade
    Nigerian civil rights group says tribal leaders’ ancestors sold people to slavers and should say sorry

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/nov/18/africans-apologise-slave-trade

    “African chiefs were the ones waging war on each other and capturing their own people and selling them. If anyone should apologise it should be the African chiefs. We still have those traitors here even today.”

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    Not this again.

    Of course African chieftains played an important role in the European slave trade. But Europeans took decided advantage of their wars for their own financial gain.

    And, Wally, we've been here before.

    Originally, Professor Martin made this claim —> “Jewish historians who have analyzed the 1830 census have discovered that whereas something like 30-odd percent of the white population may have owned one or more slaves in the South, for Jewish households it was over 70 percent. So according to an analysis of the 1830 census by Jewish historians, Jews were more than twice as likely, on a percentage basis, to own slaves.”

    There are several problems here. First, the 1830 census did NOT specify slaveholders and their religious affiliation. Second, if one says rawly that “75 percent of Jewish households owned slaves, according to the 1830 census”, was the possession of slaves due to the fact of being Jew or being wealthy? One must delve into the number of Jewish families who were wealthy and owned slaves and who were wealthy and did not own slaves, and compare them to whites in the same two categories. Martin ought to have figures showing correlation of household wealth to slaveowner households and show that indeed Jewish households of the period tended to be be among wealthier households. It could just be a coincidental correspondence between economic status and slaveowner rather than religion and slaveowner. Third, Martin claims that this number came from Jewish historians, but from what particular source? Why should we automatically assume that this statistic is valid if Martin did not offer exactly where it came from and how it was generated, given that Jews are allegedly liars and thieves?

    Winthrop D. Jordan’s article in the Atlantic, “Slavery and the Jews” stated, “In order to assess such a claim, one must resort to details. Martin’s purported actuality [the 75% statistic] is wrong on its face if applied to the “white population” of the United States “as a whole,” because in 1830 only a handful of white northerners still owned slaves. Jews were concentrated in the North, and they constituted a very small minority there. Even if the statement is taken as applying only to the states in the American South that had not adopted gradual emancipation laws, it remains badly flawed. A careful and honest footnote in The Secret Relationship reveals that “Jewish scholars” had concluded that Jews in the South lived mostly in towns and cities. Neither this book nor Martin’s explains the significance of this fact. In actuality, slave ownership was much more common in southern urban areas than in the southern countryside. The relatively high proportion of Jewish slaveholding was a function of the concentration of Jews in cities and towns, not of their descent or religion. It is also the case that urban slaveholders of whatever background owned fewer slaves on average than rural slaveholders, including those on large plantations. Thus the proportion of slaveholders has never been an accurate measure of the social or economic importance of slaveholding, unless it is assessed on a broadly regional or state-by-state basis. In this instance, as in so many others, the statistical data do not stand up and cry out their own true significance.”

    As far as the United States is concerned, from 1709-1807, there are 934 recorded voyages in which Rhode Island merchants were responsible for procuring 106,000 slaves. Now, Jews arrived in Newport as early as 1758. On the eve of the Revolution, they were estimated to be around thirty families. According to historical records historian Eli Faber used (e.g. naval office shipping lists, censuses, tax records) that identified merchants and planters as Jewish, there were 347 slave ships sent to Africa by Rhode Island slave traders from 1761-1774, with 21 being funded by Aaron Lopez, a Portuguese Jew. That means 326 voyages were underwritten by non-Jews during this time frame. Of course, Jews played a role in the peddling of human flesh. The extent here, in Rhode Island, is nominal compared to other ethnic groups.
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  129. Funny how Zionists keep doing all the things they accuse that evil Hitler of doing eh?

    Makes you wonder….

    Hey Zios! Americans will never allow themselves to become Palestinians. Sorry..

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    The "evil Hitler" we know is a creation, projection of the Jew. This Hitler is the Jew.

    Adolph tried to save his country and culture.

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  130. bjondo says:
    @redmudhooch
    Funny how Zionists keep doing all the things they accuse that evil Hitler of doing eh?

    Makes you wonder....

    Hey Zios! Americans will never allow themselves to become Palestinians. Sorry..

    The “evil Hitler” we know is a creation, projection of the Jew. This Hitler is the Jew.

    Adolph tried to save his country and culture.

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  131. Alfa158 says:
    @dfordoom

    Guncontrol shills like you love to make the claim that there’s no way to resist government force. Referring to gun owners as “fetishists” doesn’t make your silly statements any more believable, they simply show what your agenda is.
     
    I'm not in favour of gun control. As far as I'm concerned people can have as many guns as they want.

    I also don't say there's no way to resist government force.

    I just don't think private ownership of guns is going to be relevant in the kind of political struggle we're facing. The Redcoats are not going to obligingly march up Bunker Hill in neat lines so that brave patriots can pick them off.

    Can't you understand that your political enemies want you to rely on guns to resist them? Because they know that they have the technology and the manpower to crush an armed insurrection very easily and then they have a ready-made excuse to round up all dissenters. You're playing into their hands.

    You’re right, that is after all how it worked in both Afghanistan and Iraq. The US military crushed the Taliban and Al Qaeda and rounded them all up in something like six weeks. The US was then able to withdraw and allow those two countries to turn into the versions of 1960′s Sweden they have been ever since. In the US that would take even less time because the insurrectionists will be the neighbors, co-ethnics and fellow Americans of the White men who make up the bulk of the US military. That means that Pvt. Bobby Joe will be even more eager to shoot Mr. Joe Bob than he was to shoot Mohamed the Merciless. Therefore the best way to win is to surrender.
    Getting serous again. The point of the guns is not to march on Washington in a disorganized group in order to overthrow the government. The only people advocating that are the undercover agents infiltrating dissident political groups who object to the rule of the Global Cathedral. Gun possession is first of all for defense against civil unrest and crime. Anarcho-tyranny is one way the elite hope to control us. The ability to shoot back against rioters coming into your home and neighborhood is a powerful tool for resistance. Without them all you have is passivity. Disarming the Top and Bottom want to disarm the Middle as a means of demoralizing them and teaching them they can’t resist.
    Yes, even tens of millions of armed Americans can’t take out many tanks and helicopters, but what history has demonstrated is that you can occupy a country from inside a tank, but you can’t govern it. The real resistance as you say won’t be done with guns, but owning guns means you are a citizen rather than a subject. Without that mind-set you are going to lose.

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    We see right now how Israel again has lost the propaganda war with the Palestinians.
    As the British said, long ago, 'you can do a lot with bayonets, except sit on hem'.
    When in 1923 Jabotinsky wrote his 'Iron Wall', he meant bayonets, he overlooked this British experience.
    The British empire was very cunning, bluff with power, but really kept together by intrigues, bribery, blackmail, diplomacy, etc.
    De Gaulle already said 'the only solution the USA has for problems is force'.
    Uri Avnery says the same about zionists 'their only language is force'.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Well said, Alfa. Just imagine the next Charlottesville, and keep in mind the deteriorating state of the real American economy. What do a lot of white patriotic Americans have to lose anymore? Maybe the next time, or the time after that, a number of guys are going to come out there armed, and with the attitude "I've had enough of this shit.".

    Do you think the local PD or Sheriff's deputies are still going to keep running their anarcho-tyranny program, when there are a couple of hundred armed older and wiser armed Americans around? If they don't want a bloodbath, they will start doing their jobs.

    Later on, they may even start doing their jobs in ignoring and even resisting the Feds. Except in the counties that contain a big city, the local sheriff is likely going to side with the people.
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  132. Talha says:
    @Rosamond Vincy
    They were just trying to be down with Peter the Hermit and Walter the Penniless. Crusading requires a cool handle.

    Totally get the need for street cred. However, I wouldn’t buy a used car from some guy named William the Pig much less take him up on a free ride to a battle zone.

    Just sayin’.

    Peace.

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    It does have that Runyonesque feel: Benny South Street, Liver Lips, Sam the Gonoph, Joe the Joker.

    Did you know that Ovid's full name, Publius Ovidius Naso, is basically Latin for Ovid the Nose? Would you want to play the ponies with a bookie named that?
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  133. Davido says:

    I want to know more about the one or two other shooters dressed in black kevlar armor that Parkland teacher Stacey Lippel described encountering!

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  134. @Talha
    Totally get the need for street cred. However, I wouldn’t buy a used car from some guy named William the Pig much less take him up on a free ride to a battle zone.

    Just sayin’.

    Peace.

    It does have that Runyonesque feel: Benny South Street, Liver Lips, Sam the Gonoph, Joe the Joker.

    Did you know that Ovid’s full name, Publius Ovidius Naso, is basically Latin for Ovid the Nose? Would you want to play the ponies with a bookie named that?

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  135. @Achmed E. Newman

    Hey, I just went through Root Canal. Where’re my reparations?
     
    Just when you thought we had grown as a country .. you're one of those anti-dentites, aren't you?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ne_ucyzLK6E?t=27

    No soup for me!

    Wait.. soup’s one of the few things I can handle right now.

    That and ice cream–alas.

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    I don't know if you're into southern cuisine, but maybe you could manage a bowl of grits.....
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  136. Is is not just children who can be sent on a fools errand.
    Jakob Wassermann, ‘Die Juden von Zirndorf’, 1897 1999 München
    The book is about jews in E Europe, begins with the story how, in the 17th or so century, when exactly does not matter, jews heard that the messiah had appeared in what is now Turkey, and went on their way, in wagons.
    They travelled just for one or two days, their landlord needed them as tenants.

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    "You Jews produce 'Messiahs' by the sackfull." - Pilate, Jesus Christ Superstar.
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  137. @Alfa158
    You're right, that is after all how it worked in both Afghanistan and Iraq. The US military crushed the Taliban and Al Qaeda and rounded them all up in something like six weeks. The US was then able to withdraw and allow those two countries to turn into the versions of 1960's Sweden they have been ever since. In the US that would take even less time because the insurrectionists will be the neighbors, co-ethnics and fellow Americans of the White men who make up the bulk of the US military. That means that Pvt. Bobby Joe will be even more eager to shoot Mr. Joe Bob than he was to shoot Mohamed the Merciless. Therefore the best way to win is to surrender.
    Getting serous again. The point of the guns is not to march on Washington in a disorganized group in order to overthrow the government. The only people advocating that are the undercover agents infiltrating dissident political groups who object to the rule of the Global Cathedral. Gun possession is first of all for defense against civil unrest and crime. Anarcho-tyranny is one way the elite hope to control us. The ability to shoot back against rioters coming into your home and neighborhood is a powerful tool for resistance. Without them all you have is passivity. Disarming the Top and Bottom want to disarm the Middle as a means of demoralizing them and teaching them they can't resist.
    Yes, even tens of millions of armed Americans can't take out many tanks and helicopters, but what history has demonstrated is that you can occupy a country from inside a tank, but you can't govern it. The real resistance as you say won't be done with guns, but owning guns means you are a citizen rather than a subject. Without that mind-set you are going to lose.

    We see right now how Israel again has lost the propaganda war with the Palestinians.
    As the British said, long ago, ‘you can do a lot with bayonets, except sit on hem’.
    When in 1923 Jabotinsky wrote his ‘Iron Wall’, he meant bayonets, he overlooked this British experience.
    The British empire was very cunning, bluff with power, but really kept together by intrigues, bribery, blackmail, diplomacy, etc.
    De Gaulle already said ‘the only solution the USA has for problems is force’.
    Uri Avnery says the same about zionists ‘their only language is force’.

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  138. @Alfa158
    You're right, that is after all how it worked in both Afghanistan and Iraq. The US military crushed the Taliban and Al Qaeda and rounded them all up in something like six weeks. The US was then able to withdraw and allow those two countries to turn into the versions of 1960's Sweden they have been ever since. In the US that would take even less time because the insurrectionists will be the neighbors, co-ethnics and fellow Americans of the White men who make up the bulk of the US military. That means that Pvt. Bobby Joe will be even more eager to shoot Mr. Joe Bob than he was to shoot Mohamed the Merciless. Therefore the best way to win is to surrender.
    Getting serous again. The point of the guns is not to march on Washington in a disorganized group in order to overthrow the government. The only people advocating that are the undercover agents infiltrating dissident political groups who object to the rule of the Global Cathedral. Gun possession is first of all for defense against civil unrest and crime. Anarcho-tyranny is one way the elite hope to control us. The ability to shoot back against rioters coming into your home and neighborhood is a powerful tool for resistance. Without them all you have is passivity. Disarming the Top and Bottom want to disarm the Middle as a means of demoralizing them and teaching them they can't resist.
    Yes, even tens of millions of armed Americans can't take out many tanks and helicopters, but what history has demonstrated is that you can occupy a country from inside a tank, but you can't govern it. The real resistance as you say won't be done with guns, but owning guns means you are a citizen rather than a subject. Without that mind-set you are going to lose.

    Well said, Alfa. Just imagine the next Charlottesville, and keep in mind the deteriorating state of the real American economy. What do a lot of white patriotic Americans have to lose anymore? Maybe the next time, or the time after that, a number of guys are going to come out there armed, and with the attitude “I’ve had enough of this shit.”.

    Do you think the local PD or Sheriff’s deputies are still going to keep running their anarcho-tyranny program, when there are a couple of hundred armed older and wiser armed Americans around? If they don’t want a bloodbath, they will start doing their jobs.

    Later on, they may even start doing their jobs in ignoring and even resisting the Feds. Except in the counties that contain a big city, the local sheriff is likely going to side with the people.

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  139. @Corvinus
    “Marching these Parkland kids into the holds of ships then selling them into slavery to Muslims seems like a good plan to me.”

    This is your original statement. Bear this in mind.

    "I did not advocate murdering anyone."

    When you desire to have American children and adolescents be ripped from their homeland to sate your appetite for blood, with the distinct likelihood that some will perish during their journey, it's murder.

    "I advocated selling these alien invaders to our shores back to their Semite kinsmen."

    "Parkland kids" are not "invaders", they are American citizens who have legal protections. Yet, you advocate snuffing out their existence.

    "Jews and Muslims for that matter should not be allowed any of the freedoms left to Americans by the Founders. Both groups are incompatible with Western Culture."

    Actually, Jews and Muslims were part of the Thirteen Colonies. I wouldn't expect a savage like yourself to have a sense of my nation's history.

    Your post is illegal in the UK for Islamophobia.

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  140. Corvinus says:
    @Wally
    Silly Jew Corvinius, in denial again:

    Black researcher, Dr. Tony Martin, let's us know who the prime sellers & owners of slaves really were, Jews.
    Dr. Tony Martin - The Jewish Role in the African Slave Trade
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut7I75Q_-zA

    Slavery of black Africans would have never happened without black Africans selling their black African slaves first:
    African chiefs urged to apologise for slave trade
    Nigerian civil rights group says tribal leaders' ancestors sold people to slavers and should say sorry

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/nov/18/africans-apologise-slave-trade
    "African chiefs were the ones waging war on each other and capturing their own people and selling them. If anyone should apologise it should be the African chiefs. We still have those traitors here even today."

    Not this again.

    Of course African chieftains played an important role in the European slave trade. But Europeans took decided advantage of their wars for their own financial gain.

    And, Wally, we’ve been here before.

    Originally, Professor Martin made this claim —> “Jewish historians who have analyzed the 1830 census have discovered that whereas something like 30-odd percent of the white population may have owned one or more slaves in the South, for Jewish households it was over 70 percent. So according to an analysis of the 1830 census by Jewish historians, Jews were more than twice as likely, on a percentage basis, to own slaves.”

    There are several problems here. First, the 1830 census did NOT specify slaveholders and their religious affiliation. Second, if one says rawly that “75 percent of Jewish households owned slaves, according to the 1830 census”, was the possession of slaves due to the fact of being Jew or being wealthy? One must delve into the number of Jewish families who were wealthy and owned slaves and who were wealthy and did not own slaves, and compare them to whites in the same two categories. Martin ought to have figures showing correlation of household wealth to slaveowner households and show that indeed Jewish households of the period tended to be be among wealthier households. It could just be a coincidental correspondence between economic status and slaveowner rather than religion and slaveowner. Third, Martin claims that this number came from Jewish historians, but from what particular source? Why should we automatically assume that this statistic is valid if Martin did not offer exactly where it came from and how it was generated, given that Jews are allegedly liars and thieves?

    Winthrop D. Jordan’s article in the Atlantic, “Slavery and the Jews” stated, “In order to assess such a claim, one must resort to details. Martin’s purported actuality [the 75% statistic] is wrong on its face if applied to the “white population” of the United States “as a whole,” because in 1830 only a handful of white northerners still owned slaves. Jews were concentrated in the North, and they constituted a very small minority there. Even if the statement is taken as applying only to the states in the American South that had not adopted gradual emancipation laws, it remains badly flawed. A careful and honest footnote in The Secret Relationship reveals that “Jewish scholars” had concluded that Jews in the South lived mostly in towns and cities. Neither this book nor Martin’s explains the significance of this fact. In actuality, slave ownership was much more common in southern urban areas than in the southern countryside. The relatively high proportion of Jewish slaveholding was a function of the concentration of Jews in cities and towns, not of their descent or religion. It is also the case that urban slaveholders of whatever background owned fewer slaves on average than rural slaveholders, including those on large plantations. Thus the proportion of slaveholders has never been an accurate measure of the social or economic importance of slaveholding, unless it is assessed on a broadly regional or state-by-state basis. In this instance, as in so many others, the statistical data do not stand up and cry out their own true significance.”

    As far as the United States is concerned, from 1709-1807, there are 934 recorded voyages in which Rhode Island merchants were responsible for procuring 106,000 slaves. Now, Jews arrived in Newport as early as 1758. On the eve of the Revolution, they were estimated to be around thirty families. According to historical records historian Eli Faber used (e.g. naval office shipping lists, censuses, tax records) that identified merchants and planters as Jewish, there were 347 slave ships sent to Africa by Rhode Island slave traders from 1761-1774, with 21 being funded by Aaron Lopez, a Portuguese Jew. That means 326 voyages were underwritten by non-Jews during this time frame. Of course, Jews played a role in the peddling of human flesh. The extent here, in Rhode Island, is nominal compared to other ethnic groups.

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  141. @Rosamond Vincy
    No soup for me!

    Wait.. soup's one of the few things I can handle right now.

    That and ice cream--alas.

    I don’t know if you’re into southern cuisine, but maybe you could manage a bowl of grits…..

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    I LURVE grits, but I limit my grains to once a week. Makes me too sluggish.
    Anyhow, I'm a bad Yankee and sugar mine, even the cheesy grits.


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h9AqbDtSFNU
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  142. @Wally
    said:
    " but as long as they are allowed to have an AR-15 they can target shoot with, they can convince themselves they are the last bastion of freedom."

    Yet everyone wants INTO the US, not out of it.

    A safe bet that you are not leaving either.

    Yet everyone wants INTO the US, not out of it.

    A safe bet that you are not leaving either.

    I left years ago. Despite many other drawbacks, daily life is still a lot freer in Europe than in the US, crime is still lower and as bad as the immigrants are, they are still, barely, better neighbors than American “POC”. Most people move to the US because the US still offers more economic opportunities for newcomers than any other country in the world, not because they want to own guns.

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  143. @Twodees Partain
    I don't know if you're into southern cuisine, but maybe you could manage a bowl of grits.....

    I LURVE grits, but I limit my grains to once a week. Makes me too sluggish.
    Anyhow, I’m a bad Yankee and sugar mine, even the cheesy grits.

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    Oh, you philistine. Sugar on cheese grits... I won't be able to get that out of my mind for a week. Do you put milk on the grits, too? No, wait. Don't answer that.
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  144. @jilles dykstra
    Is is not just children who can be sent on a fools errand.
    Jakob Wassermann, 'Die Juden von Zirndorf', 1897 1999 München
    The book is about jews in E Europe, begins with the story how, in the 17th or so century, when exactly does not matter, jews heard that the messiah had appeared in what is now Turkey, and went on their way, in wagons.
    They travelled just for one or two days, their landlord needed them as tenants.

    “You Jews produce ‘Messiahs’ by the sackfull.” – Pilate, Jesus Christ Superstar.

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  145. @dfordoom

    In 20-30 years though, you shall probably have your wish for leftist totalitarian government in the US.
     
    The U.S. is already well on the way to totalitarianism. And all those guns haven't prevented that from happening. One by one freedoms have been taken away. The apparatus of totalitarianism is already in existence. I'm still waiting to see those brave patriots picking up their AR-15s to offer resistance. What those brave patriots are actually doing is using the internet to share their fantasies.

    It isn't going to happen. Westerners are not Afghans. Westerners are too soft and too selfish. Maybe you could say too civilised. They don't have the mindset for guerrilla war. And, most importantly, at this stage western dissidents don't have a belief system strong enough to allow them to endure the sacrifices that guerrilla war would entail.

    Time is not on our side, unless something drastic changes.
     
    I agree with that. But we'll need to be smart to win. We'll need leadership. And dedication. At this stage we have no leadership.

    A bunch of guys with AR-15s who have no leadership and no coherent plan is just a rabble. They might as well be armed with spears.

    One by one freedoms have been taken away. The apparatus of totalitarianism is already in existence. I’m still waiting to see those brave patriots picking up their AR-15s to offer resistance. What those brave patriots are actually doing is using the internet to share their fantasies.

    When the government decreed that we the people must buy health insurance from for-profit insurance companies that guaranteed a 20% margin of profit to the insurance companies, where was the NRA and where were the militias then?

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    POTUS wiped out the manditory-penalty tax provision underpining Obamacare; NRA supporters were vital in getting POTUS elected.

    NRA and militia don't have to use the force of arms to win, do they?
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  146. While I fully support David(Wedgehead) Hogg’s right to speak out, he is very full of himself. I don’t think he realizes that he is no more than an useful idiot for the likes of Soros and some of the Hollywood elites. There are a fair number of students from his school that disagree with his position but their voices are dampened. The good thing is he has become one of the best recruiters for the NRA and Gun Owners of America.

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  147. I don’t know if this is off-topic or not:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5574925/Facebook-fire-rejecting-crucifixion-Jesus-ad-shocking-violent.html

    DaFUQ? Is there anyone who grew up in this country that hasn’t seen a crucifix at some point?

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  148. @Jonathan Mason

    One by one freedoms have been taken away. The apparatus of totalitarianism is already in existence. I’m still waiting to see those brave patriots picking up their AR-15s to offer resistance. What those brave patriots are actually doing is using the internet to share their fantasies.
     
    When the government decreed that we the people must buy health insurance from for-profit insurance companies that guaranteed a 20% margin of profit to the insurance companies, where was the NRA and where were the militias then?

    POTUS wiped out the manditory-penalty tax provision underpining Obamacare; NRA supporters were vital in getting POTUS elected.

    NRA and militia don’t have to use the force of arms to win, do they?

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    POTUS wiped out the manditory-penalty tax provision underpining Obamacare
     
    It is still in effect for the 2017 tax year, though not really clear if it will be enforced for nonpayers. But no sign of the much-improved replacement plan Trump promised.
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  149. @Rosamond Vincy
    I LURVE grits, but I limit my grains to once a week. Makes me too sluggish.
    Anyhow, I'm a bad Yankee and sugar mine, even the cheesy grits.


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h9AqbDtSFNU

    Oh, you philistine. Sugar on cheese grits… I won’t be able to get that out of my mind for a week. Do you put milk on the grits, too? No, wait. Don’t answer that.

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  150. I found this rather amusing (as the Brits say):

    http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=97346

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  151. anon[135] • Disclaimer says:

    Rather than trying to connect the anti gun protest to Muslim and slavery , he should connect the carpetbaggers in the movement to his own intellectual upbringing and socio- political views.

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  152. @dfordoom

    In 20-30 years though, you shall probably have your wish for leftist totalitarian government in the US.
     
    The U.S. is already well on the way to totalitarianism. And all those guns haven't prevented that from happening. One by one freedoms have been taken away. The apparatus of totalitarianism is already in existence. I'm still waiting to see those brave patriots picking up their AR-15s to offer resistance. What those brave patriots are actually doing is using the internet to share their fantasies.

    It isn't going to happen. Westerners are not Afghans. Westerners are too soft and too selfish. Maybe you could say too civilised. They don't have the mindset for guerrilla war. And, most importantly, at this stage western dissidents don't have a belief system strong enough to allow them to endure the sacrifices that guerrilla war would entail.

    Time is not on our side, unless something drastic changes.
     
    I agree with that. But we'll need to be smart to win. We'll need leadership. And dedication. At this stage we have no leadership.

    A bunch of guys with AR-15s who have no leadership and no coherent plan is just a rabble. They might as well be armed with spears.

    “A bunch of guys with AR-15s who have no leadership and no coherent plan is just a rabble. ”

    But a self-organizing leaderless resistance is something that cannot be decapitated by government action, can it? That is the whole point of the unorganized militia. Why does the Jewish Anti-Defamation League continuously try to get anti-militia legislation passed in order to disable organized training? The answer is obvious; militia represents a threat to TPTB.

    “Alarmed by hate group activity in the early 1980′s, the Anti-Defamation League of B’nai B’rith drew up a model anti-paramilitary ordinance, which now exists in varying forms in 24 states.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/1995/05/10/us/paramilitary-groups-are-presenting-delicate-legal-choices-for-the-states.html

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  153. Hay Peter. I left the states loong ago to move to the east. A lot of good tech work here but work life balance is s***. You’ve got to work your a** off competing with some very intelligent people so there’s a lot of mental pressure. I’m getting a little sick of it myself.

    Or you could always move to EE if you are into tech. A lot of good work coming to Poland and Bulgaria. Since I don’t have an Asian wife (no yellow fever monkey here folks), this is not so difficult to do. You get a pretty homogeneous white society plus a lot of good quality food. I’m thinking along those lines myself now.

    I know that NATO is trying to swallow them to threaten Russia. But it is easier said then done.

    The US is slowly but surely sinking as it is. No point in staying there. The zios have full control and a lot of “alt-right’ers” like old derb here will never point to the elephant in the room.

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  154. Escher says:
    @Corvinus
    "Since a tiny percentage of whites in the New World owned or traded slaves — and the average white person did not benefit at all from slavery, on the contrary — slavery cannot be pinned on the great majority of our ancestors."

    The expansion of slavery, and the subsequent destruction of African societies, is pinned on white Europeans. If certain whites gleefully claim that "whites created great things in the world", then they will also have to painfully admit that "whites destroyed great things in the world".

    Furthermore, the average white person did benefit from slavery. Raw cotton was made into clothing; raw sugar was used for bread, candy, and liquor. The merchants who supplied clothing and food to the slave traders and plantation owners profited. Northern capitalists provided insurance for the owners' investments. Just a few examples how slavery in some way, shape, or form impacted white Americans in general.

    "Moreover, slavery has been practiced by people of many races, colors, religions, and forms of government, certainly including those “poor persecuted” coreligionists of Mr. Muslim Slave of the 1830s. Nothing uniquely evil about any particular race or religion of people when it comes to slavery."

    Except Europeans, compared to other groups, chose not to pick their own damn cotton, and in the process pillaged and plundered an entire continent, with its effects still reverberating today. Besides, had those darkies been simply left alone, we would not have our racial problems in the United States today, right?

    Except Europeans, compared to other groups, chose not to pick their own damn cotton, and in the process pillaged and plundered an entire continent, with its effects still reverberating today.

    So Africa was a super-Wakanda before the European slave ships arrived on its shores. Of course the Africans who raided villages to procure these slaves had no agency, and the fact that Europeans were the only people to outlaw and actively suppress the slave trade means nothing either.

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    "So Africa was a super-Wakanda before the European slave ships arrived on its shores."

    It had a thriving culture and civilization. Maybe not to your liking and preferences, but it's OK to be human.

    "Of course the Africans who raided villages to procure these slaves had no agency..."

    I already acknowledged that Africans had agency with this statement--African chieftains played an important role in the European slave trade.

    Pay closer attention.

    "and the fact that Europeans were the only people to outlaw and actively suppress the slave trade means nothing either."

    It was actually the English, first, and the Spanish, second. And you're forgetting Americans from the northern climes who also had a role in this endeavor. Southerners weren't too keen on this idea.

    Now, why did it take so long for the English, Spanish, and Americans to acknowledge that slavery was immoral and had to be banned?

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  155. Corvinus says:
    @Escher

    Except Europeans, compared to other groups, chose not to pick their own damn cotton, and in the process pillaged and plundered an entire continent, with its effects still reverberating today.
     
    So Africa was a super-Wakanda before the European slave ships arrived on its shores. Of course the Africans who raided villages to procure these slaves had no agency, and the fact that Europeans were the only people to outlaw and actively suppress the slave trade means nothing either.

    “So Africa was a super-Wakanda before the European slave ships arrived on its shores.”

    It had a thriving culture and civilization. Maybe not to your liking and preferences, but it’s OK to be human.

    “Of course the Africans who raided villages to procure these slaves had no agency…”

    I already acknowledged that Africans had agency with this statement–African chieftains played an important role in the European slave trade.

    Pay closer attention.

    “and the fact that Europeans were the only people to outlaw and actively suppress the slave trade means nothing either.”

    It was actually the English, first, and the Spanish, second. And you’re forgetting Americans from the northern climes who also had a role in this endeavor. Southerners weren’t too keen on this idea.

    Now, why did it take so long for the English, Spanish, and Americans to acknowledge that slavery was immoral and had to be banned?

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    It was actually the English, first, and the Spanish, second. And you’re forgetting Americans from the northern climes who also had a role in this endeavor. Southerners weren’t too keen on this idea.
     
    Spanish and English were Europeans when I last checked, especially in the 18-19th centuries.

    Now, why did it take so long for the English, Spanish, and Americans to acknowledge that slavery was immoral and had to be banned?
     
    At least they acknowledged and ended the institution, unlike many parts of Africa, the Middle East and the Indian subcontinent.
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  156. @Jonathan Mason

    Forceps baby?
     
    Could be! My own daughter (5) is a very beautiful child. At 5 months of gestation her OB/GYN doctor said that she was a very good-looking baby as per ultrasound, which I though was bullshit as the pictures looked to me like something by Kandinsky, but she was right, and I am sure that an emergency Caesarian section was a contributing factor to her not getting her face squashed as a rite of passage through the pelvic lacunae.

    Although Shakespeare touched on the subject in Macbeth, one thing Steve has never written about is the difference between natural-born and Caesarian-born births in adult performance, but I suspect that this perinatal difference can affect our fates.

    (Does the requirement to be a natural-born American citizen to be President rule out Caesarian births?)

    Studies show that caesarean born babies have less beneficial bacteria in their guts than do babies born naturally. Thus, naturally born babies tend to have better developed immune systems.

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    But we also look coneheady for a while.
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  157. sayless says:
    @Corvinus
    "Since a tiny percentage of whites in the New World owned or traded slaves — and the average white person did not benefit at all from slavery, on the contrary — slavery cannot be pinned on the great majority of our ancestors."

    The expansion of slavery, and the subsequent destruction of African societies, is pinned on white Europeans. If certain whites gleefully claim that "whites created great things in the world", then they will also have to painfully admit that "whites destroyed great things in the world".

    Furthermore, the average white person did benefit from slavery. Raw cotton was made into clothing; raw sugar was used for bread, candy, and liquor. The merchants who supplied clothing and food to the slave traders and plantation owners profited. Northern capitalists provided insurance for the owners' investments. Just a few examples how slavery in some way, shape, or form impacted white Americans in general.

    "Moreover, slavery has been practiced by people of many races, colors, religions, and forms of government, certainly including those “poor persecuted” coreligionists of Mr. Muslim Slave of the 1830s. Nothing uniquely evil about any particular race or religion of people when it comes to slavery."

    Except Europeans, compared to other groups, chose not to pick their own damn cotton, and in the process pillaged and plundered an entire continent, with its effects still reverberating today. Besides, had those darkies been simply left alone, we would not have our racial problems in the United States today, right?

    “Europeans…chose not to pick their own damn cotton”

    That’s not true. Johnny Cash picked cotton; he started out as a water carrier to his parents and brothers and sisters in the field when he was five.

    You really are a propagandist and a liar.

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    "That’s not true. Johnny Cash picked cotton; he started out as a water carrier to his parents and brothers and sisters in the field when he was five.

    Do you even understand context? When I said "Europeans chose not to pick their own cotton", it was referring to how Europeans created a system by which slaves could make them wealthy by importing "free labor". Of course, there were families who grew and picked their own cotton in the South, but this task was considered by southern "gentlemen" to be "beneath" them.

    "You really are a propagandist and a liar."

    And Jimmy crack corn, and I don't care, my master gone away.

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  158. @Jonathan Mason

    He’s obviously an actor
     
    Actually, it is a common theme in history that when leader arise, people cannot believe that they are Mrs. Jones next door's little lad, so all kinds of mythology spring up.

    Who is this carpenter from Nazareth who debates the rabbis and priests like he knows something? This must be witchcraft!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zjz16xjeBAA

    Actually, carpenter is a mistranslation of ho tekton, a master of the craft, and nothing to do with woodwork. The craft referred to would be what we would today call the sciences.

    I love the movie clip though, The Life of Brian is a work of pure genius. Cheers.

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    The first definition of tekton given by Liddell and Scott is "worker in wood, carpenter, joiner." The next is "generally, any craftsman or workman."
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  159. @NoseytheDuke
    Studies show that caesarean born babies have less beneficial bacteria in their guts than do babies born naturally. Thus, naturally born babies tend to have better developed immune systems.

    But we also look coneheady for a while.

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    This one has surfaced as well:
    http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=97485
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    That's OK, Momma would always cover for me with "we're from France".

    Sorry, about 4 days after the thread, but the joke had to be completed.
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  160. Corvinus says:
    @sayless
    "Europeans...chose not to pick their own damn cotton"

    That's not true. Johnny Cash picked cotton; he started out as a water carrier to his parents and brothers and sisters in the field when he was five.

    You really are a propagandist and a liar.

    “That’s not true. Johnny Cash picked cotton; he started out as a water carrier to his parents and brothers and sisters in the field when he was five.

    Do you even understand context? When I said “Europeans chose not to pick their own cotton”, it was referring to how Europeans created a system by which slaves could make them wealthy by importing “free labor”. Of course, there were families who grew and picked their own cotton in the South, but this task was considered by southern “gentlemen” to be “beneath” them.

    “You really are a propagandist and a liar.”

    And Jimmy crack corn, and I don’t care, my master gone away.

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    Provide context. What was written was too abbreviated.

    One out of two hundred families in the South held slaves.

    Of course you don't care. I respected your comments, formerly; not now. Because you aren't an honest polemicist.
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  161. Escher says:
    @Corvinus
    "So Africa was a super-Wakanda before the European slave ships arrived on its shores."

    It had a thriving culture and civilization. Maybe not to your liking and preferences, but it's OK to be human.

    "Of course the Africans who raided villages to procure these slaves had no agency..."

    I already acknowledged that Africans had agency with this statement--African chieftains played an important role in the European slave trade.

    Pay closer attention.

    "and the fact that Europeans were the only people to outlaw and actively suppress the slave trade means nothing either."

    It was actually the English, first, and the Spanish, second. And you're forgetting Americans from the northern climes who also had a role in this endeavor. Southerners weren't too keen on this idea.

    Now, why did it take so long for the English, Spanish, and Americans to acknowledge that slavery was immoral and had to be banned?

    It was actually the English, first, and the Spanish, second. And you’re forgetting Americans from the northern climes who also had a role in this endeavor. Southerners weren’t too keen on this idea.

    Spanish and English were Europeans when I last checked, especially in the 18-19th centuries.

    Now, why did it take so long for the English, Spanish, and Americans to acknowledge that slavery was immoral and had to be banned?

    At least they acknowledged and ended the institution, unlike many parts of Africa, the Middle East and the Indian subcontinent.

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    "Spanish and English were Europeans when I last checked, especially in the 18-19th centuries."

    The groups of people who ended slavery were two specific groups of Europeans, not Europeans in general. One must be particular here.

    "At least they acknowledged and ended the institution, unlike many parts of Africa, the Middle East and the Indian subcontinent."

    Try again. Why did it take so long for the English, Spanish, and Americans to acknowledge that slavery was immoral and had to be banned?

    Furthermore, Europeans are still engaging in the slave trade, like their counterparts in Africa, the Middle East, and the Indian subcontinent.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_trafficking_in_Europe
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  162. David says:
    @NoseytheDuke
    Actually, carpenter is a mistranslation of ho tekton, a master of the craft, and nothing to do with woodwork. The craft referred to would be what we would today call the sciences.

    I love the movie clip though, The Life of Brian is a work of pure genius. Cheers.

    The first definition of tekton given by Liddell and Scott is “worker in wood, carpenter, joiner.” The next is “generally, any craftsman or workman.”

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  163. @Joe Stalin
    POTUS wiped out the manditory-penalty tax provision underpining Obamacare; NRA supporters were vital in getting POTUS elected.

    NRA and militia don't have to use the force of arms to win, do they?

    POTUS wiped out the manditory-penalty tax provision underpining Obamacare

    It is still in effect for the 2017 tax year, though not really clear if it will be enforced for nonpayers. But no sign of the much-improved replacement plan Trump promised.

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  164. Corvinus says:
    @Escher

    It was actually the English, first, and the Spanish, second. And you’re forgetting Americans from the northern climes who also had a role in this endeavor. Southerners weren’t too keen on this idea.
     
    Spanish and English were Europeans when I last checked, especially in the 18-19th centuries.

    Now, why did it take so long for the English, Spanish, and Americans to acknowledge that slavery was immoral and had to be banned?
     
    At least they acknowledged and ended the institution, unlike many parts of Africa, the Middle East and the Indian subcontinent.

    “Spanish and English were Europeans when I last checked, especially in the 18-19th centuries.”

    The groups of people who ended slavery were two specific groups of Europeans, not Europeans in general. One must be particular here.

    “At least they acknowledged and ended the institution, unlike many parts of Africa, the Middle East and the Indian subcontinent.”

    Try again. Why did it take so long for the English, Spanish, and Americans to acknowledge that slavery was immoral and had to be banned?

    Furthermore, Europeans are still engaging in the slave trade, like their counterparts in Africa, the Middle East, and the Indian subcontinent.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_trafficking_in_Europe

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    The groups of people who ended slavery were two specific groups of Europeans, not Europeans in general. One must be particular here.
     
    Yes, the terrible slaving-gangs of Paris make it necessary for blacks to steer well clear of that city, lest they be kidnapped and put to work on the infamous baguette plantations.
    , @Escher
    Central and Eastern European nations were not involved with the African slave trade and played no part in ending it. Your straw man arguments are getting tiresome and don't merit any more responses.
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  165. sayless says:
    @Corvinus
    "That’s not true. Johnny Cash picked cotton; he started out as a water carrier to his parents and brothers and sisters in the field when he was five.

    Do you even understand context? When I said "Europeans chose not to pick their own cotton", it was referring to how Europeans created a system by which slaves could make them wealthy by importing "free labor". Of course, there were families who grew and picked their own cotton in the South, but this task was considered by southern "gentlemen" to be "beneath" them.

    "You really are a propagandist and a liar."

    And Jimmy crack corn, and I don't care, my master gone away.

    Provide context. What was written was too abbreviated.

    One out of two hundred families in the South held slaves.

    Of course you don’t care. I respected your comments, formerly; not now. Because you aren’t an honest polemicist.

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    "Provide context. What was written was too abbreviated."

    Actually, it was succinct and to the point. Here is additional context.

    http://anepigone.blogspot.com/2018/03/we-should-have-picked-our-own-damned.html

    "One out of two hundred families in the South held slaves."

    Indeed, but those families who owned slaves generated tremendous profits from this free labor. They just didn't work on plantations--they were hired out in the trades, worked in factories and on piers, and manned sailing vessels. And most whites who didn't own slaves in the South certainly did not want them to be free, as it would provide job competition, with males "trying to steal their womenfolk". Southern plantation owners made it a point to inform them of this point.

    I ask yet a third time...Why did it take so long for the English, Spanish, and Americans to acknowledge that slavery was immoral and had to be banned?

    What are you afraid of in answering this question?
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  166. Corvinus says:
    @sayless
    Provide context. What was written was too abbreviated.

    One out of two hundred families in the South held slaves.

    Of course you don't care. I respected your comments, formerly; not now. Because you aren't an honest polemicist.

    “Provide context. What was written was too abbreviated.”

    Actually, it was succinct and to the point. Here is additional context.

    http://anepigone.blogspot.com/2018/03/we-should-have-picked-our-own-damned.html

    “One out of two hundred families in the South held slaves.”

    Indeed, but those families who owned slaves generated tremendous profits from this free labor. They just didn’t work on plantations–they were hired out in the trades, worked in factories and on piers, and manned sailing vessels. And most whites who didn’t own slaves in the South certainly did not want them to be free, as it would provide job competition, with males “trying to steal their womenfolk”. Southern plantation owners made it a point to inform them of this point.

    I ask yet a third time…Why did it take so long for the English, Spanish, and Americans to acknowledge that slavery was immoral and had to be banned?

    What are you afraid of in answering this question?

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  167. Mr. Anon says:
    @Corvinus
    "You and most of the rest of us don’t share a nation. So don’t presume an association that doesn’t exist."

    I would hazard to guess that 90% of the American population would not share your sentiments.

    "As far as I am concerned, you are an alien and an enemy."

    As an American citizen who was born in this great country, I am other than an alien or an enemy. You really have a hankering for overblown generalizations.

    "Anyway, there is no longer such a thing as the “American nation”, you silly, contemptible fool."

    Actually, the American nation, warts and all, observably exists, despite your Chicken Little protests.

    I would hazard to guess that 90% of the American population would not share your sentiments.

    You are an idiot. I don’t care what you would hazard to guess.

    As an American citizen who was born in this great country, I am other than an alien or an enemy.

    No, I’ll decide who is and is not an enemy of mine. What you espouse is destructive to the interests of me and my people. You are therefore an enemy.

    Actually, the American nation, warts and all, observably exists, despite your Chicken Little protests.

    “Nation” is not the same as “Country”, or “Empire”. You don’t know that, because you are exceedingly stupid.

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    "You are an idiot. I don’t care what you would hazard to guess."

    You were decidedly wrong to assume that "most of us" share YOUR sentiment.

    "What you espouse is destructive to the interests of me and my people. You are therefore an enemy."

    Except I am your people. I am a white American. Why do you hate "our kind"?

    "“Nation” is not the same as “Country”, or “Empire”."

    The American nation observably exists. You're just too stubborn to acknowledge it.
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  168. @Rosamond Vincy
    But we also look coneheady for a while.

    This one has surfaced as well:

    http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=97485

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    I hesitate to engage in Argumentum ad Hominem, but something about his face has struck me as odd. I've lived in NYC and I play with re-enactors: you have to WORK to make me think you're weird.
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  169. Corvinus says:
    @Mr. Anon

    I would hazard to guess that 90% of the American population would not share your sentiments.
     
    You are an idiot. I don't care what you would hazard to guess.

    As an American citizen who was born in this great country, I am other than an alien or an enemy.
     
    No, I'll decide who is and is not an enemy of mine. What you espouse is destructive to the interests of me and my people. You are therefore an enemy.

    Actually, the American nation, warts and all, observably exists, despite your Chicken Little protests.
     
    "Nation" is not the same as "Country", or "Empire". You don't know that, because you are exceedingly stupid.

    “You are an idiot. I don’t care what you would hazard to guess.”

    You were decidedly wrong to assume that “most of us” share YOUR sentiment.

    “What you espouse is destructive to the interests of me and my people. You are therefore an enemy.”

    Except I am your people. I am a white American. Why do you hate “our kind”?

    ““Nation” is not the same as “Country”, or “Empire”.”

    The American nation observably exists. You’re just too stubborn to acknowledge it.

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  170. @Twodees Partain
    This one has surfaced as well:
    http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=97485

    I hesitate to engage in Argumentum ad Hominem, but something about his face has struck me as odd. I’ve lived in NYC and I play with re-enactors: you have to WORK to make me think you’re weird.

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    I'm apt to make an off topic comment about an asshole like Hogg, but since I wasn't arguing with anything he said, I can comfort myself with the thought that my comment wasn't Ad Hominem. ;-)

    I routinely make similar comments about politicians whose photos are added to articles written about them.
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  171. Anon[291] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus
    "Spanish and English were Europeans when I last checked, especially in the 18-19th centuries."

    The groups of people who ended slavery were two specific groups of Europeans, not Europeans in general. One must be particular here.

    "At least they acknowledged and ended the institution, unlike many parts of Africa, the Middle East and the Indian subcontinent."

    Try again. Why did it take so long for the English, Spanish, and Americans to acknowledge that slavery was immoral and had to be banned?

    Furthermore, Europeans are still engaging in the slave trade, like their counterparts in Africa, the Middle East, and the Indian subcontinent.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_trafficking_in_Europe

    The groups of people who ended slavery were two specific groups of Europeans, not Europeans in general. One must be particular here.

    Yes, the terrible slaving-gangs of Paris make it necessary for blacks to steer well clear of that city, lest they be kidnapped and put to work on the infamous baguette plantations.

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  172. @Rosamond Vincy
    I hesitate to engage in Argumentum ad Hominem, but something about his face has struck me as odd. I've lived in NYC and I play with re-enactors: you have to WORK to make me think you're weird.

    I’m apt to make an off topic comment about an asshole like Hogg, but since I wasn’t arguing with anything he said, I can comfort myself with the thought that my comment wasn’t Ad Hominem. ;-)

    I routinely make similar comments about politicians whose photos are added to articles written about them.

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  173. Escher says:
    @Corvinus
    "Spanish and English were Europeans when I last checked, especially in the 18-19th centuries."

    The groups of people who ended slavery were two specific groups of Europeans, not Europeans in general. One must be particular here.

    "At least they acknowledged and ended the institution, unlike many parts of Africa, the Middle East and the Indian subcontinent."

    Try again. Why did it take so long for the English, Spanish, and Americans to acknowledge that slavery was immoral and had to be banned?

    Furthermore, Europeans are still engaging in the slave trade, like their counterparts in Africa, the Middle East, and the Indian subcontinent.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_trafficking_in_Europe

    Central and Eastern European nations were not involved with the African slave trade and played no part in ending it. Your straw man arguments are getting tiresome and don’t merit any more responses.

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    "Central and Eastern European nations were not involved with the African slave trade and played no part in ending it."

    Right. But recall that YOU were the one who insisted that "Europeans were the only people to outlaw and actively suppress the slave trade means nothing either." I correctly stated that it was the English, Spanish, and Americans in particular who made these specific reforms.

    "Your straw man arguments are getting tiresome and don’t merit any more responses."

    Thanks for the projection.
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  174. Corvinus says:
    @Escher
    Central and Eastern European nations were not involved with the African slave trade and played no part in ending it. Your straw man arguments are getting tiresome and don't merit any more responses.

    “Central and Eastern European nations were not involved with the African slave trade and played no part in ending it.”

    Right. But recall that YOU were the one who insisted that “Europeans were the only people to outlaw and actively suppress the slave trade means nothing either.” I correctly stated that it was the English, Spanish, and Americans in particular who made these specific reforms.

    “Your straw man arguments are getting tiresome and don’t merit any more responses.”

    Thanks for the projection.

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  175. Anonymous[385] • Disclaimer says:

    I believe that David Hogg is a homosexual.
    They are mean people.

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  176. @Rosamond Vincy
    But we also look coneheady for a while.

    That’s OK, Momma would always cover for me with “we’re from France”.

    Sorry, about 4 days after the thread, but the joke had to be completed.

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