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Watergate, anyone? What brought it to mind was this news story from CNN:Dem[Ocrat] Operative “Stepping Back” After Video Suggests Group Incited Violence At Trump Rallies. [October 18, 2016] Relevant quote from the story: “Democracy Partners called O’Keefe’s video a ‘well-funded, systematic spy operation that is the modern day equivalent of the Watergate burglars.’”

What’s this all about? Let me take it a piece at a time.

The Statue of Liberty? That's original!Democracy Partners is a progressive consultancy group. Their website says they offer “cutting edge strategies for progressive values … We tell stories, create narratives, use powerful symbols.” The word “progressive” here of course means Cultural-Marxist: Hostile to everything customary and traditional, hostile to law enforcement and national sovereignty, globalist, open borders, anti-white, radical feminist, the whole CultMarx package.

One of the partners in Democracy Partners, and instrumental in founding the outfit, is a chap named Robert Creamer. He’s married to Jan Schakowsky, who represent s Illinois’ 9th District in Congress—that’s the northern districts of Chicago. Robert Creamer is an ex-con: Back in 2005 he served five months in federal prison for check kiting and tax evasion. [Congresswoman’s husband pleads guilty to two felonies, USA Today, August 31, 2005] Creamer is the guy in the headline, who is “stepping back.” What he’s stepping back from: involvement in work that Democracy Partners is doing for Mrs. Clinton’s election campaign, paid for by the DNC, the Democratic National Committee. They’ve been advising and helping Mrs. Clinton.

So why is he stepping back? Well, conservative activist James O’Keefe—the one who exposed the ACORN community-organizer group back in 2009—had sent people to Democracy Partners posing as potential donors and wearing hidden video cameras. O’Keefe got footage of Creamer explaining his dirty tricks to O’Keefe’s people under the illusion they were sympathetic listeners. Creamer explains, for example, how he gets around voter ID laws t o register illegal aliens as voters.

Along with Democracy Partners, and I think reporting to them as a subcontractor, is a different outfit, the Foval Group. This group doesn’t have a website, and in fact seems to be a one-man operation with a business card. The one man is Scott Foval, who has also been working on the Clinton campaign. I’m not totally clear about the chain of command here, but Foval was employed by, or contracted to,Americans United for Change, another CultMarx outfit of the ACORN type.

O’Keefe ran the same sting operation against Foval, and recorded some juicy quotes about his methods for advancing the Clinton cause: fomenting violence at Trump rallies, for example, and even hiring mentally ill people to get the violence started.

Americans United for Change fired Foval this week after O’Keefe’s videos went online. Below, Donald Trump speaks out against the violence–violence he witnessed at his rallies, and threatens legal action.

Mrs. Clinton and the DNC are feigning indignation over all this, and the Main Stream Media is of course covering for them.

It’s hard to argue with the video-recorded evidence, though. The best they can come up with is that the video has been “selectively edited”—as if all video isn’t selectively edited.

Now back to the quote from CNN that I started with: “Democracy Partners called O’Keefe’s video a ‘well-funded, systematic spy operation that is the modern day equivalent of the Watergate burglars.’

So the crime here, equivalent to the Watergate burglary, was to sting these DNC contractors into revealing their methods.

The crime, please note, is not the methods themselves—paying homeless people to start violence at Trump rallies, registering illegal aliens to vote—that’s not the crime. The crime, according to Democracy Partners, is deceiving people into talking about those methods on-camera. Got it?

Now here’s the punchline. Robert Creamer—the guy who’s stepping back from assisting the Clinton campaign, the guy who did time for a federal felony conviction, the guy boasting about registering illegal aliens—this Robert Creamer has been a frequent visitor to the White House.

How frequent? Very, very frequent. From November 2009 to June this year, Creamer visited the White House 340 times.[ Robert Creamer Visited Obama’s White House 340 Times, by Jen Lawrence, Breitbart, October 19, 2016]That’s an average of once a week, every week for six and a half years.

Forty-five of those visits were for meetings with Obama, average seven times a year. I bet there are cabinet officers who don’t get that much time with Obama.

I am now going to say the obvious thing: If we were in a Republican administration, and a Black Ops guy like Creamer was making weekly visits to the White House for six years, and then was caught on tape bragging about his illegalities, that would be front page news for months. Like … Watergate.

Instead, while the Main Stream Media have dutifully reported the story (NYT: Videos Put Democrats on Defensive About Dirty Tricks) I shall be very surprised if we hear any more about it from them after, oh, I’ll guess, this weekend.

fear

And don’t look for any law enforcement agencies wanting to know “what did John Podesta know and when did he know it?”—much less what Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton knew.

In last week’s Radio Derb I reported on a survey out of Chapman Universit y about what Americans fear. Way up at the top of the list, with 61 percent of respondents declaring themselves afraid or very afraid of it, was government corruption.

I’m with that 61 percent. So is Mark Steyn. On Wednesday this week, before that evening’s debate, Mark posted a column titled Laws are for the Little People.”[SteynOnLine, October 19, 2016] It’s an absolute tour de force, Mark Steyn at his polemical best. If I could make every adult in the country read it, I would.

Mark declares up front that, quote, “for me the overriding issue in American politics is the corruption,” end quote. He then runs through the recent shenanigans at the FBI, including the latest news about the bureau and the State Department trading favors.

He goes from there to the rise of Donald Trump. The energy behind that rise, says Mark, was widespread public outrage at how the political class, as exemplified by Mrs. Clinton, sets itself above the laws that we humbler folk have to obey. It’s all in their interests, says Mark; it’s all for them:

Consider illegal immigration, for example, which pre-Trump was entirely discussed in terms of the interests of the lawbreakers—how to “bring them out of the shadows,” how to give them “a path to citizenship,” celebrate their “family values” and “work ethic”—and never in terms of the law-abiding, whose wages they depress, whose communities they transform, and, in too many criminal cases, whose lives they wreck.[Links added]

Mark then excoriates the feebleness, stupidity, and occasional treachery of the Republican Establishment. The indifference from influential conservatives towards both naked corruption of our political class and the despair of the rest of us is, he says, deeply disturbing.

It’s a brilliant piece, and I strongly recommend it to your attention. For a 2,000-word summary of what’s wrong with our Republic, and the prospects for doing anything about it, I don’t see how it could be improved on.

Equality under the law, for the mighty and the humble alike, used to be a bedrock principle in our system.

As Mrs. Clinton might put it: That’s Who We Were. It’s not Who We Are any longer, as her career illustrates all too plainly.

Just a footnote to that. Going back to last week’s segment about what we fear, a listener reminds me of a classic line on that from one of Burt Reynolds’ movies. So what are you scared of, Burt?

Clip: Burt: “Only two things in the world I’m scared of.” Ned Beatty: “You’re only scared of two things? What’s that?” Burt: “Women and the po-lice.”

That was back in 1973, when the Watergate break-in—which didn’t even make any money for anyone!—was considered an outrageous blight on our political system.

Even with that in the news, I doubt you could have got 61 percent of people to declare themselves afraid of government corruption.

Of women and the po-lice, I don’t know …

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  1. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    What are the chances of Hillary being prosecuted if she wins?

    Nixon was brought down after he won the 72 election.

    But the media worked in concert against him.

    Media seem to circle the wagons for Hillary.

    Nixon or Hillary, it’s not about abuse of power or corruption. Media are tribal. Nixon was the enemy. Hillary is one of theirs. That’s all that matters.

    Nixon’s plumbers were nothing compared to the media that are working as Hillary’s plumbers to seal and shut the wikileaks.

    Maybe today’s journos should be called plumbers. Plumbers for the Establishment. More lucrative than being Joe the Plumber.

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    • Replies: @dc.sunsets
    Watch the stock market.

    Nixon was reelected in a landslide as high and rising stocks indicated the public was intoxicated with an optimistic, trusting social mood.

    After the election, stocks topped and tanked. This indicated that social mood was plunging...and negative social mood coincides with distrust and intolerance.

    Nixon was driven from office for a mole-hill compared to the mountains of corruption in full view these past decades, decades characterized by an historic social mood mania evidenced by insane asset prices and a borrowing binge never before recorded in history.

    When the time finally arrives that this credit bubble is over, it will signal that social mood is finally ready to leave its manic phase and return to a normal correction that follows a boom. The bust, however, will be commensurate with the preceding boom, and in this case Ms. Clinton, if POTUS, will rue the day she didn't take the money and run.

    Trees don't grow to the sky, and the graph from the St. Louis Fed below cannot continue for long, 8 years of Obama-Claus giveaways notwithstanding.
    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FGSDODNS

    PS: The partisan press is busy playing their assigned role in this vast tragedy. It is their role to destroy whatever remains of their credibility, which is the basis of everything they do. Watch as they all commit professional and industry SUICIDE by casting aside any pretense of objectivity.

    When social mood rolls over, the more the MSM people side with Hillary the more they will insure they share her fate.
    , @Obamadon_Imbecilis
    Hillary won't face any sort of criminal charges/impeachment unless the GOP has the requisite votes for impeachment in Congress, which ain't happening with our current demographics. Hillary has the DNC and the Justice Department in the palm of her hand. The O'Keefe vids are smoking gun evidence, and she's pretty blatantly guilty in the email case. She can, has, and will get away with murder. The rule of law is dead and buried.
    , @Roberto
    I shall be a winner, because , in that case, the last thread of plausibility will have been broken.


    Absolutely nothing is remaining that can be taken seriously, in the event of a Clinton administration.
    , @Connecticut Famer
    You aced this one. Spot-on!

    Here's a prediction: Nothing will happen until after the coronation. However, at some point thereafter--and it's only a question of when--the house of cards (or should I call it The House of Clinton) will collapse of its own weight. Hillary can't stop being Hillary, only this time the stakes are far higher. Her erstwhile supporters in Big Media etal support her only because it's in their interest to do so. If and when the you-know-what hits the fan everybody will be ducking for cover. They will desert her so fast it'll make her head spin.

    If you think we've got troubles now, you ain't seen NUTHIN' yet!
    , @Lawrence Fitton
    yes, poor poor, persecuted but not prosecuted, richard morlock nixon, didn't really get 20,000 americans killed for his reelection bid. no no, nixon didn't bomb innocents in cambodia & laos; that was the press making up headlines to ruin his legacy.
    nixon was a paranoid gutter snipe; a bigoted, racist, common criminal who shudda been locked away in federal prison.
    and clinton? lock her up.
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  2. Realist says:

    “O’Keefe Videos Really Are Clinton’s Watergate
    But Corrupt Government Agencies Won’t Investigate”

    Then it doesn’t matter.

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  3. unit472 says:

    The Democrats learned from the Clinton’s that to survive scandal and criminality you must commit so many scandals and crimes your opponents cannot focus their investigatory resources and nail you for it. When everything you do is either dishonest, depraved or illegal where does the special prosecutor begin. Just stall, deny, obstruct and breath a sigh of relief when your next scandal hits the headlines erasing the memory of the last dozen.

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  4. KenH says:

    It’s hard to argue with the video-recorded evidence, though. The best they can come up with is that the video has been “selectively edited”—as if all video isn’t selectively edited.

    Yeah, lefty loon media outlets and various lefties like black supremacist Donnal Brazile are claiming the video is “selectively edited” as if this would all seem so normal and innocuous if we saw the video in it’s entirety.

    Even though there’s always been corruption in Tel Aviv on the Potomac, the halfrican Obama has introduced a sleaze factor and third world style banana republicanism heretofore unknown. He learned his craft well from the Chicago Democrat machine while his DNA did the rest.

    This is also a poor reflection on conservatism, inc., and congressional Republicans who seem to do little other than write articles in The National Review or other cuck journals of opinion and hold meaningless hearings that accomplish little. Trump’s drain the swamp plan is long overdue but it might already be too late.

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  5. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    It’s funny looking at Wikipedia entries and edits on Robert Creamer and others involved. The blatantly liberal wikipedia editors try to scrub every last trace of a tie to the democrats, Obama and Hillary out of it, with the most ridiculous reasons. Apparently, Breitbart is not an acceptable source now. I’ve noticed in other articles, that even peer-reviewed academic articles are considered something to drop down the memory hole if the content disagees with the Narrative.

    An ideology that is correct doesn’t have to hide the facts, the facts support it.

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    • Replies: @Ivy
    The Creamer affair is yet another reason to escape the Wikipedia mess and go to InfoGalactic.com for an alternative more transparent source.

    http://infogalactic.com/
    , @Wally
    Anything which is not of value to supremacist Jews interest is scrubbed.
    see:
    Zionist Wikipedia Editing Course
    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/139189

    and:
    The Zionist attempt to control language.
    The Israel Project’s 2009 GLOBAL LANGUAGE DICTIONARY
    https://www.transcend.org/tms/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/sf-israel-projects-2009-global-language-dictionary.pdf

    and:
    The commander behind the pro-Israel student troops on U.S. college campuses
    http://www.haaretz.com/misc/article-print-page//.premium-1.709014

    and:
    Israel tech site paying “interns” to covertly plant stories in social media
    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/israel-tech-site-paying-interns-covertly-plant-stories-social-media

    and:
    Israeli students to get $2,000 to spread state propaganda on Facebook
    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/israeli-students-get-2000-spread-state-propaganda-facebook

    It’s amazing why anyone would cite Wikipedia as a reference for the impossible '6M Jews, 5m others, & gas chambers'. It's rather like asking the wolf to guard the chicken coop.

    When it comes to any topic that is known to be of special financial & political interests to supremacist Jews, and certainly there is no cash cow & political tool quite like the 'holocau$t' scam, you can bet the fix will be in. To them truth is irrelevant.

    In fact it's often said: "There's no Business Like Shoah Business"
    , @lone ranger
    Brietbart is a "limited hangout" from my experience. ....they used to be more enlightened but after the creater of the site was murdered they have drifted into a more zionistic news source. I've had comments censored for mentioning Zionism.
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  6. “Media seem to circle the wagons for Hillary.”

    My dear Anon, there’s no “seem” about it.

    Enemedia-Pravda are blatantly in the tank for Hillary, just as they’re blatant cheerleaders for Open Border$ Perpetual Mass Third World Imminvasion, for BLM, for Common Core, for Islam, for Globali$m/”free trade,” for the Ruling Class Globali$t $ellout E$tabli$hment, for Invade The World, and for every other invidious, iniquitous person, persons, and deed – including brazen political, financial, and educational corruption – that calculates or that is calculated to destroy, and will destroy, not just what’s left of what used to be our country, but that will also weaken, dissolve, stamp out, annihilate what’s left of what used to be Western Civilization/Christendom.

    Should you or I, or anyone else, dissent from any evil for which Enemedia-Pravda brazenly shill, Enemedia-Pravda will portray me and every other dissenter as an “irredeemable” member of the “deplorables. Today Enemedia-Pravda stand up for us ordinary Americans, for enforced Western border security, and for Western Civilization, just as the Völkischer Beobachter stood up for Jews. Hence Enemedia-Pravda’s concerted dismissal and burial of Hillary Clinton’s Foval-Creamer Brownshirt black ops.

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  7. Jason Liu says:

    It doesn’t matter though. Most Americans vote based on race/gender.
    Trump and Clinton may as well be inanimate objects to rally around.

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  8. Great report!

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  9. Ivy says:
    @Anonymous
    It's funny looking at Wikipedia entries and edits on Robert Creamer and others involved. The blatantly liberal wikipedia editors try to scrub every last trace of a tie to the democrats, Obama and Hillary out of it, with the most ridiculous reasons. Apparently, Breitbart is not an acceptable source now. I've noticed in other articles, that even peer-reviewed academic articles are considered something to drop down the memory hole if the content disagees with the Narrative.

    An ideology that is correct doesn't have to hide the facts, the facts support it.

    The Creamer affair is yet another reason to escape the Wikipedia mess and go to InfoGalactic.com for an alternative more transparent source.

    http://infogalactic.com/

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    • Replies: @Coemgen
    Thanks!
    , @woodNfish
    infogalactic may be politically non-ideological in some ways, but when you check "climate change" and climate change fraud" it is obvious it is as full of shit as wikipedea.
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  10. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Most of today’s journalists are in it for the glamour. They want to be insiders, and they will perform any duty for the powerful to be insiders. They might as well be porn-performers or pornalists.

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    • Replies: @jacques sheete
    I never thought of it that way, but by Jove, you certainly my be onto something! Good one.
    , @woodNfish
    presstitutes
    , @lone ranger
    The mainstream media is owned almost exclusively by Zionists, that's the reason they support Hilarity Klingon not because they want "Star power"
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  11. John Doe says:

    I keep seeing these nonsense claims about Marx. Reading Marx’s Communist Manifesto will take you 15 minutes, and it will show you that Marx had nothing on race. It will prove that he asked workers of a country solve their problems within the country, applying local solutions to local problems. The claim that Marx was anti-white or anti-borders is patently false. Surely, once property rights are fully abolished, borders become pointless, but that is a side effect.
    I am not saying Marx was right. I am merely restating his claims.
    Repeating such lies betrays an author as someone who can’t read on his own for 15 minutes and talks about what he doesn’t know using the words of his brainwashing sixth grade teacher. If I find you so superficial on things that I know, how can I trust you on those that I don’t?

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    • Replies: @WorkingClass
    Cultural Marxism has nothing to do with the historical Marx. It's about Marx the bogeyman.
    , @dc.sunsets
    Marxism is about eliminating any hierarchy (discrimination) between economic classes, right?

    Cultural Marxism is about eliminating any hierarchy (preference or discrimination) between cultures, right?

    The latter term is simply a short-cut (and a pejorative one, at that) for referring to post-modernist views of culture, as in "all cultures are equally valid and useful."

    Anyone who has driven through Chicago's Englewood neighborhood can see just what a LIE this is, just as anyone who understands the least bit about how factor prices in a market economy are essential to coordinating economic activity knows that Marxist "economics" is idiocy.

    [If you doubt the latter, read Mises' Socialism, pub. 1922, for his irrefutable (to this day) discussion.]
    , @The Plutonium Kid
    Guess you never heard the slogan, "Workers of the, unite! You have nothing to lose but your chains!"
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  12. Mr. Derbyshire, what happened to you??? You used to be a fantastic and amazing writer on the history of mathematics. “Prime Obsession” is one of my favorite books. But now you write for UNZ??? What happened?

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    If you have lived longer than the man whose name you stole for a handle, it is a striking example of the injustice of fate.
    , @Neuday
    National Review, what happened to you??? You used to be a fantastic and amazing publication with writers like Mark Steyn and John Derbyshire. Joe Sobran is one of my favorite writers. But now you have DAVID FRENCH??? What happened?
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  13. Orlyonok says:

    James O’Keefe, a national treasure for exposing yet another evil nest of vipers. I hope he has bodyguards.

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  14. @John Doe
    I keep seeing these nonsense claims about Marx. Reading Marx's Communist Manifesto will take you 15 minutes, and it will show you that Marx had nothing on race. It will prove that he asked workers of a country solve their problems within the country, applying local solutions to local problems. The claim that Marx was anti-white or anti-borders is patently false. Surely, once property rights are fully abolished, borders become pointless, but that is a side effect.
    I am not saying Marx was right. I am merely restating his claims.
    Repeating such lies betrays an author as someone who can't read on his own for 15 minutes and talks about what he doesn't know using the words of his brainwashing sixth grade teacher. If I find you so superficial on things that I know, how can I trust you on those that I don't?

    Cultural Marxism has nothing to do with the historical Marx. It’s about Marx the bogeyman.

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    Cultural Marxism has nothing to do with the historical Marx. It’s about Marx the bogeyman.
     
    I call it Cultural-Trotskyism. It's more accurate.
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  15. @Anon
    What are the chances of Hillary being prosecuted if she wins?

    Nixon was brought down after he won the 72 election.

    But the media worked in concert against him.

    Media seem to circle the wagons for Hillary.

    Nixon or Hillary, it's not about abuse of power or corruption. Media are tribal. Nixon was the enemy. Hillary is one of theirs. That's all that matters.

    Nixon's plumbers were nothing compared to the media that are working as Hillary's plumbers to seal and shut the wikileaks.

    Maybe today's journos should be called plumbers. Plumbers for the Establishment. More lucrative than being Joe the Plumber.

    Watch the stock market.

    Nixon was reelected in a landslide as high and rising stocks indicated the public was intoxicated with an optimistic, trusting social mood.

    After the election, stocks topped and tanked. This indicated that social mood was plunging…and negative social mood coincides with distrust and intolerance.

    Nixon was driven from office for a mole-hill compared to the mountains of corruption in full view these past decades, decades characterized by an historic social mood mania evidenced by insane asset prices and a borrowing binge never before recorded in history.

    When the time finally arrives that this credit bubble is over, it will signal that social mood is finally ready to leave its manic phase and return to a normal correction that follows a boom. The bust, however, will be commensurate with the preceding boom, and in this case Ms. Clinton, if POTUS, will rue the day she didn’t take the money and run.

    Trees don’t grow to the sky, and the graph from the St. Louis Fed below cannot continue for long, 8 years of Obama-Claus giveaways notwithstanding.

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FGSDODNS

    PS: The partisan press is busy playing their assigned role in this vast tragedy. It is their role to destroy whatever remains of their credibility, which is the basis of everything they do. Watch as they all commit professional and industry SUICIDE by casting aside any pretense of objectivity.

    When social mood rolls over, the more the MSM people side with Hillary the more they will insure they share her fate.

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    • Replies: @annamaria
    Clinton, similar to Bush the lesser, belongs to Methodist Church. Would not be surprising to learn that The Family (DC' Christian cult of money and power) has been conditioning Clinton for a messianic role - under a banner "Goal justifies everything." She is possessed. How how else one could explain her vicious bloody belligerence, her lies, and her enormous-size hypocrisy?
    Psychopaths cannot help themselves by gamble and manipulate. But the games (and the influence of opportunistic ignoramuses) are becoming more and more dangerous for the humanity at large: http://newatlas.com/rs28-sarmat-satan-2-russian-icbm/46127/ "Cold war redux? Russia unveils massive Satan 2 ICBM capable of destroying France or Texas in a single hit"
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  16. @John Doe
    I keep seeing these nonsense claims about Marx. Reading Marx's Communist Manifesto will take you 15 minutes, and it will show you that Marx had nothing on race. It will prove that he asked workers of a country solve their problems within the country, applying local solutions to local problems. The claim that Marx was anti-white or anti-borders is patently false. Surely, once property rights are fully abolished, borders become pointless, but that is a side effect.
    I am not saying Marx was right. I am merely restating his claims.
    Repeating such lies betrays an author as someone who can't read on his own for 15 minutes and talks about what he doesn't know using the words of his brainwashing sixth grade teacher. If I find you so superficial on things that I know, how can I trust you on those that I don't?

    Marxism is about eliminating any hierarchy (discrimination) between economic classes, right?

    Cultural Marxism is about eliminating any hierarchy (preference or discrimination) between cultures, right?

    The latter term is simply a short-cut (and a pejorative one, at that) for referring to post-modernist views of culture, as in “all cultures are equally valid and useful.”

    Anyone who has driven through Chicago’s Englewood neighborhood can see just what a LIE this is, just as anyone who understands the least bit about how factor prices in a market economy are essential to coordinating economic activity knows that Marxist “economics” is idiocy.

    [If you doubt the latter, read Mises' Socialism, pub. 1922, for his irrefutable (to this day) discussion.]

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    • Replies: @John Jeremiah Smith

    Marxism is about eliminating any hierarchy (discrimination) between economic classes, right?
     
    No (chuckle). Do yourself a favor and read the book. Like the guy (above) says, it takes 15 minutes. Always good to have accurate information, ya know? Relying on the absurd bullshit you see written in comment sections is foolish.

    Cultural Marxism is about eliminating any hierarchy (preference or discrimination) between cultures, right?
     
    Nope. "Cultural marxism" is a pejorative label used by those who are, typically, some variation of fascist. Oddly enough, it appears to be an adaptation from the original terminology used by cultural anthropologists, i.e. "cultural relativism". Cultural relativism is a belief/theory that culture is constituted of a set of evolutionary social adaptations produced in response to environment and, hence, cannot be qualitatively superior or inferior, but simply "successfully adaptive". In the evolutionary sense, this is true, but modern civilization creates protected niches that permit rampantly dysfunctional cultures -- the entirely white-dependent, white-parasitic Negro culture in the USA being an excellent example.

    Now, I'm telling you this from the standpoint of a person who has studied it and understands it. Be that as it may, I certainly know better than to try to convince any of UR's resident white-around-the-eyes whackos. It's all about caterwauling about sjws, screechy pronouncements of doom, etc.
    , @John Doe
    "Classes" and "cultures" are similar only in the fact that they are groups of people, but there is no "culture struggle". Some people like salsa, and others like kosher, but no one calls for a revolution to impose kosher on the salsa fans or the other way around. Some people like their wives skimpy dressed and others want them more modest, but no one would start an armed revolution to change women's fashion. Even the deranged Taliban would leave you alone, if you were leaving them alone.

    These are all circumstantial aspects, whereas money and ownership are the real deal. If you lack kosher / burka you may get upset. But if you lack money, you don't get life-saving surgery, pollution-freee accomodation, effective law enforcement, and even kosher / burka.

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  17. @Anon
    What are the chances of Hillary being prosecuted if she wins?

    Nixon was brought down after he won the 72 election.

    But the media worked in concert against him.

    Media seem to circle the wagons for Hillary.

    Nixon or Hillary, it's not about abuse of power or corruption. Media are tribal. Nixon was the enemy. Hillary is one of theirs. That's all that matters.

    Nixon's plumbers were nothing compared to the media that are working as Hillary's plumbers to seal and shut the wikileaks.

    Maybe today's journos should be called plumbers. Plumbers for the Establishment. More lucrative than being Joe the Plumber.

    Hillary won’t face any sort of criminal charges/impeachment unless the GOP has the requisite votes for impeachment in Congress, which ain’t happening with our current demographics. Hillary has the DNC and the Justice Department in the palm of her hand. The O’Keefe vids are smoking gun evidence, and she’s pretty blatantly guilty in the email case. She can, has, and will get away with murder. The rule of law is dead and buried.

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  18. Coemgen says:
    @Ivy
    The Creamer affair is yet another reason to escape the Wikipedia mess and go to InfoGalactic.com for an alternative more transparent source.

    http://infogalactic.com/

    Thanks!

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  19. @dc.sunsets
    Marxism is about eliminating any hierarchy (discrimination) between economic classes, right?

    Cultural Marxism is about eliminating any hierarchy (preference or discrimination) between cultures, right?

    The latter term is simply a short-cut (and a pejorative one, at that) for referring to post-modernist views of culture, as in "all cultures are equally valid and useful."

    Anyone who has driven through Chicago's Englewood neighborhood can see just what a LIE this is, just as anyone who understands the least bit about how factor prices in a market economy are essential to coordinating economic activity knows that Marxist "economics" is idiocy.

    [If you doubt the latter, read Mises' Socialism, pub. 1922, for his irrefutable (to this day) discussion.]

    Marxism is about eliminating any hierarchy (discrimination) between economic classes, right?

    No (chuckle). Do yourself a favor and read the book. Like the guy (above) says, it takes 15 minutes. Always good to have accurate information, ya know? Relying on the absurd bullshit you see written in comment sections is foolish.

    Cultural Marxism is about eliminating any hierarchy (preference or discrimination) between cultures, right?

    Nope. “Cultural marxism” is a pejorative label used by those who are, typically, some variation of fascist. Oddly enough, it appears to be an adaptation from the original terminology used by cultural anthropologists, i.e. “cultural relativism”. Cultural relativism is a belief/theory that culture is constituted of a set of evolutionary social adaptations produced in response to environment and, hence, cannot be qualitatively superior or inferior, but simply “successfully adaptive”. In the evolutionary sense, this is true, but modern civilization creates protected niches that permit rampantly dysfunctional cultures — the entirely white-dependent, white-parasitic Negro culture in the USA being an excellent example.

    Now, I’m telling you this from the standpoint of a person who has studied it and understands it. Be that as it may, I certainly know better than to try to convince any of UR’s resident white-around-the-eyes whackos. It’s all about caterwauling about sjws, screechy pronouncements of doom, etc.

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  20. Sunbeam says:

    Uh….

    Look some things don’t translate very well to… I guess I’d call it the real world.

    Benghazi? No one really cared about that. No one paid attention, no one was interested. Of course it was FUBAR – that’s what the government does. Everyone knows it. And a story about it is dull as can be.

    Now this. Come on. Most Americans hold it as an article of faith that this IS DONE ALL THE TIME, and is SOP. Now you run into people who think the Democratic Party (or the Republican Party – we are talking about true believers) are pure as the driven snow.

    But most of the rest figure both parties are doing it. Well it’s hard to imagine the Republicans doing it, they have a built in handicap that way.

    But they sure wish they could.

    And as for this blowing up into a “hot” story? Probably not. Takes a lot of effort to “catapult the propaganda.” Anna Nicole Smith and Casey Anthony don’t just happen they are made.

    And as for the story being salacious? So what. If you google you can find the front page of the Washington Times with the 1980′s pedo allegations. And then there was the case of Jeff Gannon.

    If those two stories didn’t blow up into feeding frenzies (just like the eerie media calm over Epstein’s island while Alicia Machado is the most interesting woman in the world), nothing will.

    Just won’t happen. Won’t matter unless someone who owns a major media outlet goes full OJ on it.

    Down the memory hole.

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    down the memory hole is an apt expression but come the day the 27th october 2016 that which was in that hole will begin to crawl out.one inch at a time.
    , @Kyle McKenna

    Most Americans hold it as an article of faith that this IS DONE ALL THE TIME, and is SOP.
     
    You're correct, of course, which is why most merkins will glide right over this story. Meanwhile, though, they still fervently believe that Trump and his fans were inciting violence all year long at their rallies.
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  21. John Doe says:
    @dc.sunsets
    Marxism is about eliminating any hierarchy (discrimination) between economic classes, right?

    Cultural Marxism is about eliminating any hierarchy (preference or discrimination) between cultures, right?

    The latter term is simply a short-cut (and a pejorative one, at that) for referring to post-modernist views of culture, as in "all cultures are equally valid and useful."

    Anyone who has driven through Chicago's Englewood neighborhood can see just what a LIE this is, just as anyone who understands the least bit about how factor prices in a market economy are essential to coordinating economic activity knows that Marxist "economics" is idiocy.

    [If you doubt the latter, read Mises' Socialism, pub. 1922, for his irrefutable (to this day) discussion.]

    “Classes” and “cultures” are similar only in the fact that they are groups of people, but there is no “culture struggle”. Some people like salsa, and others like kosher, but no one calls for a revolution to impose kosher on the salsa fans or the other way around. Some people like their wives skimpy dressed and others want them more modest, but no one would start an armed revolution to change women’s fashion. Even the deranged Taliban would leave you alone, if you were leaving them alone.

    These are all circumstantial aspects, whereas money and ownership are the real deal. If you lack kosher / burka you may get upset. But if you lack money, you don’t get life-saving surgery, pollution-freee accomodation, effective law enforcement, and even kosher / burka.

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  22. 5371 says:
    @Frank Ramsey
    Mr. Derbyshire, what happened to you??? You used to be a fantastic and amazing writer on the history of mathematics. "Prime Obsession" is one of my favorite books. But now you write for UNZ??? What happened?

    If you have lived longer than the man whose name you stole for a handle, it is a striking example of the injustice of fate.

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    Well said.
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  23. mcohen says:
    @Sunbeam
    Uh....

    Look some things don't translate very well to... I guess I'd call it the real world.

    Benghazi? No one really cared about that. No one paid attention, no one was interested. Of course it was FUBAR - that's what the government does. Everyone knows it. And a story about it is dull as can be.

    Now this. Come on. Most Americans hold it as an article of faith that this IS DONE ALL THE TIME, and is SOP. Now you run into people who think the Democratic Party (or the Republican Party - we are talking about true believers) are pure as the driven snow.

    But most of the rest figure both parties are doing it. Well it's hard to imagine the Republicans doing it, they have a built in handicap that way.

    But they sure wish they could.

    And as for this blowing up into a "hot" story? Probably not. Takes a lot of effort to "catapult the propaganda." Anna Nicole Smith and Casey Anthony don't just happen they are made.

    And as for the story being salacious? So what. If you google you can find the front page of the Washington Times with the 1980's pedo allegations. And then there was the case of Jeff Gannon.

    If those two stories didn't blow up into feeding frenzies (just like the eerie media calm over Epstein's island while Alicia Machado is the most interesting woman in the world), nothing will.

    Just won't happen. Won't matter unless someone who owns a major media outlet goes full OJ on it.

    Down the memory hole.

    down the memory hole is an apt expression but come the day the 27th october 2016 that which was in that hole will begin to crawl out.one inch at a time.

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  24. Rehmat says:

    “Democracy Partners is a progressive consultancy group.”

    YES – John Derbyshire – for every western bigot an organization run by some Zionist Jew is PROGRESSIVE – but any Westerner who tries to be honest opinion of Hamas, Hizbullah or Iran – automatically becomes a JEW-HATER such UK’s Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn.

    The so-called ‘Democracy Partners’ founder is Robert Creamer who is second husband of Jew Congresswoman Janice (Jan) Schakowsky.

    Derbyshire may not know there are groups like “Republican for Israel”, and even “Republican spies for Israel”.

    https://rehmat1.com/2016/10/25/lobby-why-us-hindus-support-trump/

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    When Muslims get together and end their stupid religious schism between Shia and Sunni,and recognize the enemy of their enemy,zionism,Donald Trump,is way better for them and their peoples than the same old same old shite they have experienced for decades,maybe progress will be made in the region.
    Can it get worse?
    And I imagine many Hindus are for the Hell bitch also.
    Why should Trump reject Hindu American supporters anyway?Their support mutes the alleged anti immigrant image of DT.
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  25. Roberto says:
    @Anon
    What are the chances of Hillary being prosecuted if she wins?

    Nixon was brought down after he won the 72 election.

    But the media worked in concert against him.

    Media seem to circle the wagons for Hillary.

    Nixon or Hillary, it's not about abuse of power or corruption. Media are tribal. Nixon was the enemy. Hillary is one of theirs. That's all that matters.

    Nixon's plumbers were nothing compared to the media that are working as Hillary's plumbers to seal and shut the wikileaks.

    Maybe today's journos should be called plumbers. Plumbers for the Establishment. More lucrative than being Joe the Plumber.

    I shall be a winner, because , in that case, the last thread of plausibility will have been broken.

    Absolutely nothing is remaining that can be taken seriously, in the event of a Clinton administration.

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  26. John

    Here is the larger point:the rigging of the 2016 POTUS election by the Democratic Party is so beside the point. If the 1965 Immigration Reform Act had not been passed, and if there had been 51 years of a National Origins Immigration Policy that excluded all nonwhites….Hillary Clinton would not be a viable POTUS candidate in 2016 for Demographic reasons.

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  27. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @WorkingClass
    Cultural Marxism has nothing to do with the historical Marx. It's about Marx the bogeyman.

    Cultural Marxism has nothing to do with the historical Marx. It’s about Marx the bogeyman.

    I call it Cultural-Trotskyism. It’s more accurate.

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  28. @Anon
    Most of today's journalists are in it for the glamour. They want to be insiders, and they will perform any duty for the powerful to be insiders. They might as well be porn-performers or pornalists.

    I never thought of it that way, but by Jove, you certainly my be onto something! Good one.

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  29. The claim that Marx was anti-white or anti-borders is patently false.

    Well, reading some of his letters it gives one the impression that he was pretty much anti-everything. He was, in fact, a misanthrope of fabulous proportions. Probably no one escaped his barbed sting. Everyone should read what he wrote about Jews, for instance.

    Here’s one example of literally hundreds.

    “…after all, what has happened over the last ten years must have increased any rational being’s contempt for the masses as for individuals to such a degree that ‘odi profanum vulgar et arceo’ [I detest and repudiate the common people. Horace] has almost become an inescapable maxim. “

    Marx To Ferdinand Lassalle, In Düsseldorf,London, 22 February 1858
    9 Grafton Terrace, Maitland Park, Haverstock
    Hillhttps://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1858/letters/58_02_22.htm

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  30. woodNfish says:
    @Anon
    Most of today's journalists are in it for the glamour. They want to be insiders, and they will perform any duty for the powerful to be insiders. They might as well be porn-performers or pornalists.

    presstitutes

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  31. woodNfish says:
    @Ivy
    The Creamer affair is yet another reason to escape the Wikipedia mess and go to InfoGalactic.com for an alternative more transparent source.

    http://infogalactic.com/

    infogalactic may be politically non-ideological in some ways, but when you check “climate change” and climate change fraud” it is obvious it is as full of shit as wikipedea.

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    No doubt!
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  32. @Anon
    What are the chances of Hillary being prosecuted if she wins?

    Nixon was brought down after he won the 72 election.

    But the media worked in concert against him.

    Media seem to circle the wagons for Hillary.

    Nixon or Hillary, it's not about abuse of power or corruption. Media are tribal. Nixon was the enemy. Hillary is one of theirs. That's all that matters.

    Nixon's plumbers were nothing compared to the media that are working as Hillary's plumbers to seal and shut the wikileaks.

    Maybe today's journos should be called plumbers. Plumbers for the Establishment. More lucrative than being Joe the Plumber.

    You aced this one. Spot-on!

    Here’s a prediction: Nothing will happen until after the coronation. However, at some point thereafter–and it’s only a question of when–the house of cards (or should I call it The House of Clinton) will collapse of its own weight. Hillary can’t stop being Hillary, only this time the stakes are far higher. Her erstwhile supporters in Big Media etal support her only because it’s in their interest to do so. If and when the you-know-what hits the fan everybody will be ducking for cover. They will desert her so fast it’ll make her head spin.

    If you think we’ve got troubles now, you ain’t seen NUTHIN’ yet!

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  33. Wally says: • Website
    @Anonymous
    It's funny looking at Wikipedia entries and edits on Robert Creamer and others involved. The blatantly liberal wikipedia editors try to scrub every last trace of a tie to the democrats, Obama and Hillary out of it, with the most ridiculous reasons. Apparently, Breitbart is not an acceptable source now. I've noticed in other articles, that even peer-reviewed academic articles are considered something to drop down the memory hole if the content disagees with the Narrative.

    An ideology that is correct doesn't have to hide the facts, the facts support it.

    Anything which is not of value to supremacist Jews interest is scrubbed.
    see:
    Zionist Wikipedia Editing Course

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/139189

    and:
    The Zionist attempt to control language.
    The Israel Project’s 2009 GLOBAL LANGUAGE DICTIONARY

    https://www.transcend.org/tms/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/sf-israel-projects-2009-global-language-dictionary.pdf

    and:
    The commander behind the pro-Israel student troops on U.S. college campuses

    http://www.haaretz.com/misc/article-print-page//.premium-1.709014

    and:
    Israel tech site paying “interns” to covertly plant stories in social media

    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/israel-tech-site-paying-interns-covertly-plant-stories-social-media

    and:
    Israeli students to get $2,000 to spread state propaganda on Facebook

    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/israeli-students-get-2000-spread-state-propaganda-facebook

    It’s amazing why anyone would cite Wikipedia as a reference for the impossible ’6M Jews, 5m others, & gas chambers’. It’s rather like asking the wolf to guard the chicken coop.

    When it comes to any topic that is known to be of special financial & political interests to supremacist Jews, and certainly there is no cash cow & political tool quite like the ‘holocau$t’ scam, you can bet the fix will be in. To them truth is irrelevant.

    In fact it’s often said: “There’s no Business Like Shoah Business

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    exactly i will add you and rehmat to the do not show comment list.
    where's wally
    , @Anonymous
    In your first link, the chick presenting ILTV is smoking hot.
    , @lone ranger
    I am new to unz.com but I am already impressed by the freedom found here. The above comment discussing Jewish shananigans would be censored on so many supposed alternative media sites I know....info wars, Brietbart, Steve Quayle, Natural News, AllNewPipeline. ...

    The Zionist/jewish mafia (Rothschild kazarian mafia) control of ALL the media is overwhelming to say the least. What's more surprising is how many people are either clueless to this or are co-opted into attacking anyone who points this out.
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  34. The lugenpress!

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  35. @Anon
    What are the chances of Hillary being prosecuted if she wins?

    Nixon was brought down after he won the 72 election.

    But the media worked in concert against him.

    Media seem to circle the wagons for Hillary.

    Nixon or Hillary, it's not about abuse of power or corruption. Media are tribal. Nixon was the enemy. Hillary is one of theirs. That's all that matters.

    Nixon's plumbers were nothing compared to the media that are working as Hillary's plumbers to seal and shut the wikileaks.

    Maybe today's journos should be called plumbers. Plumbers for the Establishment. More lucrative than being Joe the Plumber.

    yes, poor poor, persecuted but not prosecuted, richard morlock nixon, didn’t really get 20,000 americans killed for his reelection bid. no no, nixon didn’t bomb innocents in cambodia & laos; that was the press making up headlines to ruin his legacy.
    nixon was a paranoid gutter snipe; a bigoted, racist, common criminal who shudda been locked away in federal prison.
    and clinton? lock her up.

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    It's one of the enduring myths that innocents got bombed in Laos and Cambodia.

    Earth to Mr. Fitton: it was the HCH Trail and NBA sanctuaries that got attacked. Distressing to you, I know.
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  36. You are being being silly Derbyshire. Too bad, you have a good mind.

    You can’t see the forest through the trees, none of you can.

    I am not going to waste anyone’s time by arguing rationally. Your man Trump bragged about being able to walk up to women he doesn’t know and reach right up their skirt and grab them by the pussy.

    It’s done, it’s over. Hillary wins by around 8 percentage points, the Democrats pick up 5 to 7 senate seats and 15 seats in the house.

    Changing the subject isn’t going to work. Your lock her up arguments are tiresome, stupid, illogical, but most of all brand you as fringe idiots.

    You could have hung to the high ground and argued for fiscal conservatism and streamlined government, but you had to run off and play footsie with the kooks.

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    It’s done, it’s over. Hillary wins by around 8 percentage points, the Democrats pick up 5 to 7 senate seats and 15 seats in the house.
     
    54/46 you say? Or, considering the 3rd-party pickups at 8% total, call it 50/42? I say it's more than that, like 52/40. Electoral split I don't know, but would estimate Trump <100.
    , @dahoit
    You guys are whistling in the dark.Trump up in Florida;MSNBC no less.
    47 Trump,43 Hell bitch,5 and 5 for Stein and Johnson.
    My Ouigi? board.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson

    You could have hung to the high ground and argued for fiscal conservatism and streamlined government
     
    Because that has worked so well in the past. You don't get out much, do you?
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  37. Ivy says:
    @woodNfish
    infogalactic may be politically non-ideological in some ways, but when you check "climate change" and climate change fraud" it is obvious it is as full of shit as wikipedea.

    No doubt!

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  38. Nixon was right to be paranoid. If anything he wasn’t paranoid enough.

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    Nixon maybe many thing but was not paranoid. He was a typical American president who was afraid of the power of the Jews - as was Rev. Billy Graham.

    Billy Garaham was chased by Jewish groups after 1972 Nixon Tapes exposed him telling president Richard Nixon the Jews control the American media, calling it a “stranglehold”. The conversation went as follows:

    “This stranglehold has got to be broken or the country’s going down the drain,” says Graham.

    “You believe that,” says Nixon.

    “Yes, sir,” replies Graham.

    “Oh, boy,” replies Nixon. “So do I. I can’t ever say that but I believe it”.

    Billy Graham’s son, Rev. Franklin Graham, learned a few things from his father an Nixon. He started hating Muslims and became a blind supporter of the Zionist entity......

    https://rehmat1.com/2013/05/22/billy-graham-only-christ-can-save-canadians/
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  39. @dave chamberlin
    You are being being silly Derbyshire. Too bad, you have a good mind.


    You can't see the forest through the trees, none of you can.


    I am not going to waste anyone's time by arguing rationally. Your man Trump bragged about being able to walk up to women he doesn't know and reach right up their skirt and grab them by the pussy.

    It's done, it's over. Hillary wins by around 8 percentage points, the Democrats pick up 5 to 7 senate seats and 15 seats in the house.

    Changing the subject isn't going to work. Your lock her up arguments are tiresome, stupid, illogical, but most of all brand you as fringe idiots.

    You could have hung to the high ground and argued for fiscal conservatism and streamlined government, but you had to run off and play footsie with the kooks.

    It’s done, it’s over. Hillary wins by around 8 percentage points, the Democrats pick up 5 to 7 senate seats and 15 seats in the house.

    54/46 you say? Or, considering the 3rd-party pickups at 8% total, call it 50/42? I say it’s more than that, like 52/40. Electoral split I don’t know, but would estimate Trump <100.

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  40. This article is good clickbait, but the content didn’t convince me and I really want to believe.

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  41. Boris says:

    Watergate? No. Not even Iran Contra. Too bad for white nationalists, I guess.

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  42. Rehmat says:
    @The Plumber
    Nixon was right to be paranoid. If anything he wasn't paranoid enough.

    Nixon maybe many thing but was not paranoid. He was a typical American president who was afraid of the power of the Jews – as was Rev. Billy Graham.

    Billy Garaham was chased by Jewish groups after 1972 Nixon Tapes exposed him telling president Richard Nixon the Jews control the American media, calling it a “stranglehold”. The conversation went as follows:

    “This stranglehold has got to be broken or the country’s going down the drain,” says Graham.

    “You believe that,” says Nixon.

    “Yes, sir,” replies Graham.

    “Oh, boy,” replies Nixon. “So do I. I can’t ever say that but I believe it”.

    Billy Graham’s son, Rev. Franklin Graham, learned a few things from his father an Nixon. He started hating Muslims and became a blind supporter of the Zionist entity……

    https://rehmat1.com/2013/05/22/billy-graham-only-christ-can-save-canadians/

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  43. mcohen says:
    @Wally
    Anything which is not of value to supremacist Jews interest is scrubbed.
    see:
    Zionist Wikipedia Editing Course
    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/139189

    and:
    The Zionist attempt to control language.
    The Israel Project’s 2009 GLOBAL LANGUAGE DICTIONARY
    https://www.transcend.org/tms/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/sf-israel-projects-2009-global-language-dictionary.pdf

    and:
    The commander behind the pro-Israel student troops on U.S. college campuses
    http://www.haaretz.com/misc/article-print-page//.premium-1.709014

    and:
    Israel tech site paying “interns” to covertly plant stories in social media
    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/israel-tech-site-paying-interns-covertly-plant-stories-social-media

    and:
    Israeli students to get $2,000 to spread state propaganda on Facebook
    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/israeli-students-get-2000-spread-state-propaganda-facebook

    It’s amazing why anyone would cite Wikipedia as a reference for the impossible '6M Jews, 5m others, & gas chambers'. It's rather like asking the wolf to guard the chicken coop.

    When it comes to any topic that is known to be of special financial & political interests to supremacist Jews, and certainly there is no cash cow & political tool quite like the 'holocau$t' scam, you can bet the fix will be in. To them truth is irrelevant.

    In fact it's often said: "There's no Business Like Shoah Business"

    exactly i will add you and rehmat to the do not show comment list.
    where’s wally

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    'mcohen', another Hilarious Hasbarist has spoken:

    'Shoot the messenger because Supremacist Jews don't like the message'.

    However:


    "Alone the fact that one may not question the Jewish "holocaust" and that Jewish pressure has inflicted laws on democratic societies to prevent questions—while incessant promotion and indoctrination of the same averredly incontestable ‘holocaust’ occur—gives the game away. It proves that it must be a lie. Why else would one not be allowed to question it? Because it might offend the "survivors"? Because it "dishonors the dead"? Hardly sufficient reason to outlaw discussion. No, because the exposure of this leading lie might precipitate questions about so many other lies and cause the whole ramshackle fabrication to crumble."

    - Gerard Menuhin / righteous Revisionist Jew, son of famous violinist
     

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  44. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Wally
    Anything which is not of value to supremacist Jews interest is scrubbed.
    see:
    Zionist Wikipedia Editing Course
    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/139189

    and:
    The Zionist attempt to control language.
    The Israel Project’s 2009 GLOBAL LANGUAGE DICTIONARY
    https://www.transcend.org/tms/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/sf-israel-projects-2009-global-language-dictionary.pdf

    and:
    The commander behind the pro-Israel student troops on U.S. college campuses
    http://www.haaretz.com/misc/article-print-page//.premium-1.709014

    and:
    Israel tech site paying “interns” to covertly plant stories in social media
    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/israel-tech-site-paying-interns-covertly-plant-stories-social-media

    and:
    Israeli students to get $2,000 to spread state propaganda on Facebook
    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/israeli-students-get-2000-spread-state-propaganda-facebook

    It’s amazing why anyone would cite Wikipedia as a reference for the impossible '6M Jews, 5m others, & gas chambers'. It's rather like asking the wolf to guard the chicken coop.

    When it comes to any topic that is known to be of special financial & political interests to supremacist Jews, and certainly there is no cash cow & political tool quite like the 'holocau$t' scam, you can bet the fix will be in. To them truth is irrelevant.

    In fact it's often said: "There's no Business Like Shoah Business"

    In your first link, the chick presenting ILTV is smoking hot.

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    Yes, some those Israeli-Russian fake 'Jews' are nice.

    The real ones, well, not so much.

    http://www.jewishjournal.com/images/made/bf20ff0b6dded448/Rabbi_Dara_539_332_c1.jpeg

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  45. dahoit says:
    @Rehmat
    "Democracy Partners is a progressive consultancy group."

    YES - John Derbyshire - for every western bigot an organization run by some Zionist Jew is PROGRESSIVE - but any Westerner who tries to be honest opinion of Hamas, Hizbullah or Iran - automatically becomes a JEW-HATER such UK's Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn.

    The so-called 'Democracy Partners' founder is Robert Creamer who is second husband of Jew Congresswoman Janice (Jan) Schakowsky.

    Derbyshire may not know there are groups like "Republican for Israel", and even "Republican spies for Israel".

    https://rehmat1.com/2016/10/25/lobby-why-us-hindus-support-trump/

    When Muslims get together and end their stupid religious schism between Shia and Sunni,and recognize the enemy of their enemy,zionism,Donald Trump,is way better for them and their peoples than the same old same old shite they have experienced for decades,maybe progress will be made in the region.
    Can it get worse?
    And I imagine many Hindus are for the Hell bitch also.
    Why should Trump reject Hindu American supporters anyway?Their support mutes the alleged anti immigrant image of DT.

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  46. dahoit says:
    @dave chamberlin
    You are being being silly Derbyshire. Too bad, you have a good mind.


    You can't see the forest through the trees, none of you can.


    I am not going to waste anyone's time by arguing rationally. Your man Trump bragged about being able to walk up to women he doesn't know and reach right up their skirt and grab them by the pussy.

    It's done, it's over. Hillary wins by around 8 percentage points, the Democrats pick up 5 to 7 senate seats and 15 seats in the house.

    Changing the subject isn't going to work. Your lock her up arguments are tiresome, stupid, illogical, but most of all brand you as fringe idiots.

    You could have hung to the high ground and argued for fiscal conservatism and streamlined government, but you had to run off and play footsie with the kooks.

    You guys are whistling in the dark.Trump up in Florida;MSNBC no less.
    47 Trump,43 Hell bitch,5 and 5 for Stein and Johnson.
    My Ouigi? board.

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  47. Wally says: • Website
    @mcohen
    exactly i will add you and rehmat to the do not show comment list.
    where's wally

    ‘mcohen’, another Hilarious Hasbarist has spoken:

    ‘Shoot the messenger because Supremacist Jews don’t like the message’.

    However:

    “Alone the fact that one may not question the Jewish “holocaust” and that Jewish pressure has inflicted laws on democratic societies to prevent questions—while incessant promotion and indoctrination of the same averredly incontestable ‘holocaust’ occur—gives the game away. It proves that it must be a lie. Why else would one not be allowed to question it? Because it might offend the “survivors”? Because it “dishonors the dead”? Hardly sufficient reason to outlaw discussion. No, because the exposure of this leading lie might precipitate questions about so many other lies and cause the whole ramshackle fabrication to crumble.”

    - Gerard Menuhin / righteous Revisionist Jew, son of famous violinist

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    That alleged quote of Gerard Menuhin just reeks of second rate concoction from the Rehmat or worse lie factory. I don't believe it is genuine.
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  48. Anon7 says:

    This story also underlines the extent to which our once-independent media are now owned and controlled by the very people who seek to control our political institutions. I’ve never seen anything like this, media is a willing participant in the cover-up; I was a teenager during Watergate, and this scares me.

    If Hillary is elected, I’ll be waiting for those magic words “What did Hillary know, and when did she know it?”

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  49. Wally says:
    @Anonymous
    In your first link, the chick presenting ILTV is smoking hot.

    Yes, some those Israeli-Russian fake ‘Jews’ are nice.

    The real ones, well, not so much.

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  50. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    This Creamer guy is married to some politician. So many journalists are married to lobbyists married to politicians married to people in CIA married to academics married to, etc, etc.

    Forget Rule of Law. It’s more like Rule-of-In-laws.

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  51. Rurik says:

    He goes from there to the rise of Donald Trump. The energy behind that rise, says Mark, was widespread public outrage at how the political class, as exemplified by Mrs. Clinton, sets itself above the laws that we humbler folk have to obey.

    Michael Moore (of all people!) chimes in

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    Hey Rurik,

    Thanks for the video - great talk by Michael Moore! I sent this talk over to Muslims I know with the following note:

    I think this talk by Michael Moore (who is obviously not a Muslim-hater) explains really well why so many people are willing to vote for Trump. I think we are taking this too personally. We think it's about us - it has very little to do with Muslims - we are a marginal issue. It has to do with people really, really feeling the heat on what's been going on for the last few years for the average American. It sucks that we are at this point, but some people are very desperate to do anything to throw a cog in the works of a machine that looks like it's grinding them up.

    I'm personally not voting for Trump (or anyone else - I might think of Mr. Johnson - or write in Dr. Ron Paul), nor am I encouraging anyone else to, but I wanted Muslims to understand that those who do are often simply their fellow Americans who are on hard times and sick and tired of being screwed over so many times, not automatically those who bear any grudge towards them.

    The message is starting to get more traction in the Muslim community:
    "Some American Muslims know all these facts and more and can still support Clinton and enthusiastically declare #ImWithHer. We should stand in awe of these Muslims and look up to them because they clearly have supernatural levels of cognitive dissonance. Imagine the unfathomable amount of psychological effort that would be needed to know about all of these crimes, all of the innocent blood that is on this woman’s hands and *still* find her, not only agreeable, but worthy of full-throated endorsement…"
    https://muslimskeptic.com/2016/09/17/impressed-by-muslims-who-support-hillary-for-president/

    Peace.

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  52. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    WSJ is blaming Trump and populism for the demise of the GOP, but GOP’s fate was sealed in the 90s when Clinton pretty much fused the two parties together. He created a Hybrid Party that maintained the ‘progressive’ symbolism(especially in association with the Civil Rights Movement but increasingly more homos and immigrants, thus pushing blacks to the backseat) while pushing policies appealing to the super-rich — free trade, open borders, limited taxes, Wall Street de-regulation — and to the urban bourgeoisie and hipster youths — law and order that made cities safe again.
    Clinton achieved what Nixon was trying to attempt in the early 70s by adopting many Democratic platforms but failed due to Watergate.

    When the upper class could be rich and righteous in the Democratic Party, the GOP lost its luster. It became more and more a party of dumb Evangelicals and hicks with Confederate flags. The New Democratic Party took the Big Bucks from the GOP.
    And we see the final culmination in the Hillary candidacy. She raised over a billion dollars from super-globalist oligarchs. But as a Democrat, she also gets to harp about ‘racism’ and ‘sexism’,(even though Democrats control Hollywood, MTV, and other industries that coarsen our culture).

    So, Trump is using the empty shell of the GOP against Hillary who represents the Hybrid Party of riches and righteousness. This is especially apparent since so many Bigshot Republicans side with Hillary or secretly subvert Trump’s campaign.

    So, what is America’s future.

    The GOP is over.
    But the consolation of white folks should be that immigrants/diversity are still better than blacks.
    And in a one-party state with everyone as a Democrat, taking on the top dogs will be easier since the elites won’t be able to use GOP as bogeyman scapegoat for all that is wrong in America.

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  53. Yeah, we’ll see on the day. These polls mean nothing, especially with all the other BS flying around this election.

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  54. Ace says:
    @Lawrence Fitton
    yes, poor poor, persecuted but not prosecuted, richard morlock nixon, didn't really get 20,000 americans killed for his reelection bid. no no, nixon didn't bomb innocents in cambodia & laos; that was the press making up headlines to ruin his legacy.
    nixon was a paranoid gutter snipe; a bigoted, racist, common criminal who shudda been locked away in federal prison.
    and clinton? lock her up.

    It’s one of the enduring myths that innocents got bombed in Laos and Cambodia.

    Earth to Mr. Fitton: it was the HCH Trail and NBA sanctuaries that got attacked. Distressing to you, I know.

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  55. It’s one of the enduring myths that innocents got bombed in Laos and Cambodia.

    Prove it.

    FYI: To this day innocent people are being killed and maimed there by unexploded ordnance. That should be distressing to all decent humans, you know.

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  56. Come on John Derbyshire, you are better than this. Look at the quality of the comments in this thread. Do you really want to be the voice of these fools?

    Do you want to repeat truly dumb conspiracy theories.

    Go get a real job, don’t go to the bottom.

    You will pay the price.

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  57. @dave chamberlin
    You are being being silly Derbyshire. Too bad, you have a good mind.


    You can't see the forest through the trees, none of you can.


    I am not going to waste anyone's time by arguing rationally. Your man Trump bragged about being able to walk up to women he doesn't know and reach right up their skirt and grab them by the pussy.

    It's done, it's over. Hillary wins by around 8 percentage points, the Democrats pick up 5 to 7 senate seats and 15 seats in the house.

    Changing the subject isn't going to work. Your lock her up arguments are tiresome, stupid, illogical, but most of all brand you as fringe idiots.

    You could have hung to the high ground and argued for fiscal conservatism and streamlined government, but you had to run off and play footsie with the kooks.

    You could have hung to the high ground and argued for fiscal conservatism and streamlined government

    Because that has worked so well in the past. You don’t get out much, do you?

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    Well I suppose your are right. If John Derbyshire wants to make a living writing about politics he ought to stick to idiotic conspiracy theories because the public likes those a whole lot more than the complex truth.

    Clinton's "watergate" is they sent some folks in Donald Duck costumes to Trump rallies and that (ridiculous leap 1) was promoting violence. Now how that is the equivalent of (ridiculous leap 2) breaking and entering into the democratic headquarters is never discussed because it is obviously silly.

    I know about john Derbyshire, he has a damned good mind. He ought to use to make an honest living. Other people can and will stoop to feeding the angry masses nonsense. What are the angry masses so pissed about? Their lives didn't turn out as well as they had hoped for. Who is to blame. The government! Why? Because it can't be the individuals fault he was born stupid and turned bitter through the years. The government did it! Trump can turn the clock back to 1970 and bring back all the high paying jobs that left for China and Mexico. (ridiculous leap 3)


    What we could use is fiscal conservatism, no more selling out the kids of tomorrow for higher debts today, and republicans could stand for streamlined government. But that doesn't sell as well as silly conspiracy theories. If you have crappy government maybe it's because you aren't smart enough to ask for it.
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  58. Svigor says:

    Hey fuckheads, Marxism moved on after that POS Marx died. Welcome to real life.

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  59. Svigor says:

    I’m gonna keep calling them Cultural Marxists until I die. But only because it drives you twats nuts.

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  60. @5371
    If you have lived longer than the man whose name you stole for a handle, it is a striking example of the injustice of fate.

    Well said.

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    No he's just showing off, pretending to be the sort of person who has read Keynes's "Essays in Biography" and remembers Keynes quoting another on Ramsey, who taught himself German so he could be Wittgenstein's thesis supervisor, as being "one of the chief intellectual glories of Cambridge" before he died at 31 when in reality he checks the names used by Googling and picks out something interesting. Why do I think this? Because 5371 (who is really 5372 because 5371 died long ago and this purported one is a grave robber) has contrived his indignation. No one goes over the top so much just because his target has indicated some disdain for being a contributor to UR.
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  61. @Anonymous
    It's funny looking at Wikipedia entries and edits on Robert Creamer and others involved. The blatantly liberal wikipedia editors try to scrub every last trace of a tie to the democrats, Obama and Hillary out of it, with the most ridiculous reasons. Apparently, Breitbart is not an acceptable source now. I've noticed in other articles, that even peer-reviewed academic articles are considered something to drop down the memory hole if the content disagees with the Narrative.

    An ideology that is correct doesn't have to hide the facts, the facts support it.

    Brietbart is a “limited hangout” from my experience. ….they used to be more enlightened but after the creater of the site was murdered they have drifted into a more zionistic news source. I’ve had comments censored for mentioning Zionism.

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  62. @Anon
    Most of today's journalists are in it for the glamour. They want to be insiders, and they will perform any duty for the powerful to be insiders. They might as well be porn-performers or pornalists.

    The mainstream media is owned almost exclusively by Zionists, that’s the reason they support Hilarity Klingon not because they want “Star power”

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  63. @Wally
    Anything which is not of value to supremacist Jews interest is scrubbed.
    see:
    Zionist Wikipedia Editing Course
    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/139189

    and:
    The Zionist attempt to control language.
    The Israel Project’s 2009 GLOBAL LANGUAGE DICTIONARY
    https://www.transcend.org/tms/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/sf-israel-projects-2009-global-language-dictionary.pdf

    and:
    The commander behind the pro-Israel student troops on U.S. college campuses
    http://www.haaretz.com/misc/article-print-page//.premium-1.709014

    and:
    Israel tech site paying “interns” to covertly plant stories in social media
    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/israel-tech-site-paying-interns-covertly-plant-stories-social-media

    and:
    Israeli students to get $2,000 to spread state propaganda on Facebook
    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/israeli-students-get-2000-spread-state-propaganda-facebook

    It’s amazing why anyone would cite Wikipedia as a reference for the impossible '6M Jews, 5m others, & gas chambers'. It's rather like asking the wolf to guard the chicken coop.

    When it comes to any topic that is known to be of special financial & political interests to supremacist Jews, and certainly there is no cash cow & political tool quite like the 'holocau$t' scam, you can bet the fix will be in. To them truth is irrelevant.

    In fact it's often said: "There's no Business Like Shoah Business"

    I am new to unz.com but I am already impressed by the freedom found here. The above comment discussing Jewish shananigans would be censored on so many supposed alternative media sites I know….info wars, Brietbart, Steve Quayle, Natural News, AllNewPipeline. …

    The Zionist/jewish mafia (Rothschild kazarian mafia) control of ALL the media is overwhelming to say the least. What’s more surprising is how many people are either clueless to this or are co-opted into attacking anyone who points this out.

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  64. @Stebbing Heuer
    Well said.

    No he’s just showing off, pretending to be the sort of person who has read Keynes’s “Essays in Biography” and remembers Keynes quoting another on Ramsey, who taught himself German so he could be Wittgenstein’s thesis supervisor, as being “one of the chief intellectual glories of Cambridge” before he died at 31 when in reality he checks the names used by Googling and picks out something interesting. Why do I think this? Because 5371 (who is really 5372 because 5371 died long ago and this purported one is a grave robber) has contrived his indignation. No one goes over the top so much just because his target has indicated some disdain for being a contributor to UR.

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    No he’s just showing off, pretending to be the sort of person who has read Keynes’s “Essays in Biography” and remembers Keynes quoting another on Ramsey, who taught himself German so he could be Wittgenstein’s thesis supervisor, as being “one of the chief intellectual glories of Cambridge” before he died at 31 when in reality he checks the names used by Googling and picks out something interesting. Why do I think this? Because 5371 (who is really 5372 because 5371 died long ago and this purported one is a grave robber) has contrived his indignation. No one goes over the top so much just because his target has indicated some disdain for being a contributor to UR.
     
    When you wrote that, were you aware that it's a classic example of paranoid schizophrenia?
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  65. @Wally
    'mcohen', another Hilarious Hasbarist has spoken:

    'Shoot the messenger because Supremacist Jews don't like the message'.

    However:


    "Alone the fact that one may not question the Jewish "holocaust" and that Jewish pressure has inflicted laws on democratic societies to prevent questions—while incessant promotion and indoctrination of the same averredly incontestable ‘holocaust’ occur—gives the game away. It proves that it must be a lie. Why else would one not be allowed to question it? Because it might offend the "survivors"? Because it "dishonors the dead"? Hardly sufficient reason to outlaw discussion. No, because the exposure of this leading lie might precipitate questions about so many other lies and cause the whole ramshackle fabrication to crumble."

    - Gerard Menuhin / righteous Revisionist Jew, son of famous violinist
     

    That alleged quote of Gerard Menuhin just reeks of second rate concoction from the Rehmat or worse lie factory. I don’t believe it is genuine.

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  66. Neuday says:
    @Frank Ramsey
    Mr. Derbyshire, what happened to you??? You used to be a fantastic and amazing writer on the history of mathematics. "Prime Obsession" is one of my favorite books. But now you write for UNZ??? What happened?

    National Review, what happened to you??? You used to be a fantastic and amazing publication with writers like Mark Steyn and John Derbyshire. Joe Sobran is one of my favorite writers. But now you have DAVID FRENCH??? What happened?

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    Neo-cons happened, that's what.
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  67. @Wizard of Oz
    No he's just showing off, pretending to be the sort of person who has read Keynes's "Essays in Biography" and remembers Keynes quoting another on Ramsey, who taught himself German so he could be Wittgenstein's thesis supervisor, as being "one of the chief intellectual glories of Cambridge" before he died at 31 when in reality he checks the names used by Googling and picks out something interesting. Why do I think this? Because 5371 (who is really 5372 because 5371 died long ago and this purported one is a grave robber) has contrived his indignation. No one goes over the top so much just because his target has indicated some disdain for being a contributor to UR.

    No he’s just showing off, pretending to be the sort of person who has read Keynes’s “Essays in Biography” and remembers Keynes quoting another on Ramsey, who taught himself German so he could be Wittgenstein’s thesis supervisor, as being “one of the chief intellectual glories of Cambridge” before he died at 31 when in reality he checks the names used by Googling and picks out something interesting. Why do I think this? Because 5371 (who is really 5372 because 5371 died long ago and this purported one is a grave robber) has contrived his indignation. No one goes over the top so much just because his target has indicated some disdain for being a contributor to UR.

    When you wrote that, were you aware that it’s a classic example of paranoid schizophrenia?

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    As you had recently made a useful contribution to my understanding of that usually pejorative "Cultural Marxism" which has been thrown into arguments for almost as long as (cultural) relativism which you neatly explicated I gave your apparently ambiguous comment a second look.

    What was the "it" in "it's"? Well I suppose it was the passage that had been highlighted in blue but isn't so highlighted now as I look at your comment immediately above this and, anyway didn't include the whole of my parenthetical jibe at 5371 really being dead which I take to be the passage you are referring to.

    Two points or questions. My frolic about the pseudonymous grave robber was an attempt to be lighthearted in commenting adversely on his use of the idea of theft to characterise the commenter's choice of pseudonym (which I am inclined to approve having long ago read Keynes's account of the brilliant brother of Michael Ramsey who became Archbishop of Canterbury - after Keynes and his brother were both dead). But, also, I would be interested to know about classic symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia, particularly in reference to the "it".

    I have only known two or three paranoid schizophrenics. In the two certain cases I had calls by or on behalf of the 30 something man and 30ish woman to go and help them where they had been restrained. In the case of the amiable large and strong young man,who knew me as the older relation of an old girlfriend, he had stopped taking his medication and was at a police station where I noticed a young police woman was wearing a gun when in the room where I spoke to him. My most lively memory is of his asking "How's your father?" to which I replied "I'm afraid he's dead Charlie". "Oh I know" he says. "Well why did you ask how he is?" say I. "Because I liked him" says "Charlie"!!

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  68. annamaria says:
    @dc.sunsets
    Watch the stock market.

    Nixon was reelected in a landslide as high and rising stocks indicated the public was intoxicated with an optimistic, trusting social mood.

    After the election, stocks topped and tanked. This indicated that social mood was plunging...and negative social mood coincides with distrust and intolerance.

    Nixon was driven from office for a mole-hill compared to the mountains of corruption in full view these past decades, decades characterized by an historic social mood mania evidenced by insane asset prices and a borrowing binge never before recorded in history.

    When the time finally arrives that this credit bubble is over, it will signal that social mood is finally ready to leave its manic phase and return to a normal correction that follows a boom. The bust, however, will be commensurate with the preceding boom, and in this case Ms. Clinton, if POTUS, will rue the day she didn't take the money and run.

    Trees don't grow to the sky, and the graph from the St. Louis Fed below cannot continue for long, 8 years of Obama-Claus giveaways notwithstanding.
    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FGSDODNS

    PS: The partisan press is busy playing their assigned role in this vast tragedy. It is their role to destroy whatever remains of their credibility, which is the basis of everything they do. Watch as they all commit professional and industry SUICIDE by casting aside any pretense of objectivity.

    When social mood rolls over, the more the MSM people side with Hillary the more they will insure they share her fate.

    Clinton, similar to Bush the lesser, belongs to Methodist Church. Would not be surprising to learn that The Family (DC’ Christian cult of money and power) has been conditioning Clinton for a messianic role – under a banner “Goal justifies everything.” She is possessed. How how else one could explain her vicious bloody belligerence, her lies, and her enormous-size hypocrisy?
    Psychopaths cannot help themselves by gamble and manipulate. But the games (and the influence of opportunistic ignoramuses) are becoming more and more dangerous for the humanity at large: http://newatlas.com/rs28-sarmat-satan-2-russian-icbm/46127/ “Cold war redux? Russia unveils massive Satan 2 ICBM capable of destroying France or Texas in a single hit”

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  69. Talha says:
    @Rurik

    He goes from there to the rise of Donald Trump. The energy behind that rise, says Mark, was widespread public outrage at how the political class, as exemplified by Mrs. Clinton, sets itself above the laws that we humbler folk have to obey.
     
    Michael Moore (of all people!) chimes in

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29VjkoOZm80

    Hey Rurik,

    Thanks for the video – great talk by Michael Moore! I sent this talk over to Muslims I know with the following note:

    I think this talk by Michael Moore (who is obviously not a Muslim-hater) explains really well why so many people are willing to vote for Trump. I think we are taking this too personally. We think it’s about us – it has very little to do with Muslims – we are a marginal issue. It has to do with people really, really feeling the heat on what’s been going on for the last few years for the average American. It sucks that we are at this point, but some people are very desperate to do anything to throw a cog in the works of a machine that looks like it’s grinding them up.

    I’m personally not voting for Trump (or anyone else – I might think of Mr. Johnson – or write in Dr. Ron Paul), nor am I encouraging anyone else to, but I wanted Muslims to understand that those who do are often simply their fellow Americans who are on hard times and sick and tired of being screwed over so many times, not automatically those who bear any grudge towards them.

    The message is starting to get more traction in the Muslim community:
    “Some American Muslims know all these facts and more and can still support Clinton and enthusiastically declare #ImWithHer. We should stand in awe of these Muslims and look up to them because they clearly have supernatural levels of cognitive dissonance. Imagine the unfathomable amount of psychological effort that would be needed to know about all of these crimes, all of the innocent blood that is on this woman’s hands and *still* find her, not only agreeable, but worthy of full-throated endorsement…”

    https://muslimskeptic.com/2016/09/17/impressed-by-muslims-who-support-hillary-for-president/

    Peace.

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    Hey Talha,

    always a pleasure..


    it has very little to do with Muslims – we are a marginal issue.
     
    you're right of course

    for most of the Trump supporters, IMHO- even his immigration rhetoric has little to do with Muslims or Mexicans or anyone else in particular. Rather what it's about is the traditional Americans who're being replaced and marginalized and shoved aside. No one ever minded the Muslims in Dearborn, MI. They were a community into and of themselves and were not seen as antagonistic or hostile. But when traditional Americans see that what the elites have in mind for them is a complete and total annihilation of their way of life, then they become alarmed.

    They've lost their jobs, they've lost their religions institutions, they've been banned from greeting each other with a hearty "Merry Christmas!", which from what I've experienced even Muslims don't mind. It's said with the best of intentions, like God bless!

    But some people mind, don't they?

    anyways, I think it's great that you passed that on. I really don't think that the average Trump voter has anything against Muslims per se, but just don't want to see every single shred of their culture overturned and denigrated as racist and replaced.


    It has to do with people really, really feeling the heat on what’s been going on for the last few years for the average American.
     
    and not just the last few years, Talha. But the last few decades. White people in America have suffered decades of Affirmative Action and specifically non-white immigration and the destruction of so many of our cities (due in no small part to insane and corrupt policies and politicians) And it's not just white people, but all middle class and working class Americans are reeling from it all. Too often the minorities of this country are cynically being set against the white majority (the same way Muslims are maligned and used to divide) even as all of the middle and working class and poor (most of whom are white) languish from the policies and corruption of the elites.

    I'm very glad you tried to make that point. And I will offer that the Muslims who I find reprehensible, (aside from the problems of ISIS), are those Muslims who're perfectly willing to toss their fellow Muslims in their respective nations under the Hillary Clinton bus, so that they can enjoy the perks and pick from the carcass of a dying (murdered) Western civilization. They don't care that she is going to destroy utterly Syria and so many other Muslim countries, and plunge untold millions upon millions of Muslims into a hell on earth like she did Libya. So long as they get theirs.

    From what I've learned about Islam (much of it from you sir) is that this kind of selfish disinterest in the well-being of other Muslims is not very honorable or pious.

    I wish I had more time to articulate this better. I fear this is too important to leave to a hastily written reply, and I should take more time for an attempt at eloquence, but I have to go but I wanted to respond to very good (as usual) comment

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  70. Rurik says:
    @Talha
    Hey Rurik,

    Thanks for the video - great talk by Michael Moore! I sent this talk over to Muslims I know with the following note:

    I think this talk by Michael Moore (who is obviously not a Muslim-hater) explains really well why so many people are willing to vote for Trump. I think we are taking this too personally. We think it's about us - it has very little to do with Muslims - we are a marginal issue. It has to do with people really, really feeling the heat on what's been going on for the last few years for the average American. It sucks that we are at this point, but some people are very desperate to do anything to throw a cog in the works of a machine that looks like it's grinding them up.

    I'm personally not voting for Trump (or anyone else - I might think of Mr. Johnson - or write in Dr. Ron Paul), nor am I encouraging anyone else to, but I wanted Muslims to understand that those who do are often simply their fellow Americans who are on hard times and sick and tired of being screwed over so many times, not automatically those who bear any grudge towards them.

    The message is starting to get more traction in the Muslim community:
    "Some American Muslims know all these facts and more and can still support Clinton and enthusiastically declare #ImWithHer. We should stand in awe of these Muslims and look up to them because they clearly have supernatural levels of cognitive dissonance. Imagine the unfathomable amount of psychological effort that would be needed to know about all of these crimes, all of the innocent blood that is on this woman’s hands and *still* find her, not only agreeable, but worthy of full-throated endorsement…"
    https://muslimskeptic.com/2016/09/17/impressed-by-muslims-who-support-hillary-for-president/

    Peace.

    Hey Talha,

    always a pleasure..

    it has very little to do with Muslims – we are a marginal issue.

    you’re right of course

    for most of the Trump supporters, IMHO- even his immigration rhetoric has little to do with Muslims or Mexicans or anyone else in particular. Rather what it’s about is the traditional Americans who’re being replaced and marginalized and shoved aside. No one ever minded the Muslims in Dearborn, MI. They were a community into and of themselves and were not seen as antagonistic or hostile. But when traditional Americans see that what the elites have in mind for them is a complete and total annihilation of their way of life, then they become alarmed.

    They’ve lost their jobs, they’ve lost their religions institutions, they’ve been banned from greeting each other with a hearty “Merry Christmas!”, which from what I’ve experienced even Muslims don’t mind. It’s said with the best of intentions, like God bless!

    But some people mind, don’t they?

    anyways, I think it’s great that you passed that on. I really don’t think that the average Trump voter has anything against Muslims per se, but just don’t want to see every single shred of their culture overturned and denigrated as racist and replaced.

    It has to do with people really, really feeling the heat on what’s been going on for the last few years for the average American.

    and not just the last few years, Talha. But the last few decades. White people in America have suffered decades of Affirmative Action and specifically non-white immigration and the destruction of so many of our cities (due in no small part to insane and corrupt policies and politicians) And it’s not just white people, but all middle class and working class Americans are reeling from it all. Too often the minorities of this country are cynically being set against the white majority (the same way Muslims are maligned and used to divide) even as all of the middle and working class and poor (most of whom are white) languish from the policies and corruption of the elites.

    I’m very glad you tried to make that point. And I will offer that the Muslims who I find reprehensible, (aside from the problems of ISIS), are those Muslims who’re perfectly willing to toss their fellow Muslims in their respective nations under the Hillary Clinton bus, so that they can enjoy the perks and pick from the carcass of a dying (murdered) Western civilization. They don’t care that she is going to destroy utterly Syria and so many other Muslim countries, and plunge untold millions upon millions of Muslims into a hell on earth like she did Libya. So long as they get theirs.

    From what I’ve learned about Islam (much of it from you sir) is that this kind of selfish disinterest in the well-being of other Muslims is not very honorable or pious.

    I wish I had more time to articulate this better. I fear this is too important to leave to a hastily written reply, and I should take more time for an attempt at eloquence, but I have to go but I wanted to respond to very good (as usual) comment

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  71. @Charles Erwin Wilson

    You could have hung to the high ground and argued for fiscal conservatism and streamlined government
     
    Because that has worked so well in the past. You don't get out much, do you?

    Well I suppose your are right. If John Derbyshire wants to make a living writing about politics he ought to stick to idiotic conspiracy theories because the public likes those a whole lot more than the complex truth.

    Clinton’s “watergate” is they sent some folks in Donald Duck costumes to Trump rallies and that (ridiculous leap 1) was promoting violence. Now how that is the equivalent of (ridiculous leap 2) breaking and entering into the democratic headquarters is never discussed because it is obviously silly.

    I know about john Derbyshire, he has a damned good mind. He ought to use to make an honest living. Other people can and will stoop to feeding the angry masses nonsense. What are the angry masses so pissed about? Their lives didn’t turn out as well as they had hoped for. Who is to blame. The government! Why? Because it can’t be the individuals fault he was born stupid and turned bitter through the years. The government did it! Trump can turn the clock back to 1970 and bring back all the high paying jobs that left for China and Mexico. (ridiculous leap 3)

    What we could use is fiscal conservatism, no more selling out the kids of tomorrow for higher debts today, and republicans could stand for streamlined government. But that doesn’t sell as well as silly conspiracy theories. If you have crappy government maybe it’s because you aren’t smart enough to ask for it.

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  72. @John Jeremiah Smith

    No he’s just showing off, pretending to be the sort of person who has read Keynes’s “Essays in Biography” and remembers Keynes quoting another on Ramsey, who taught himself German so he could be Wittgenstein’s thesis supervisor, as being “one of the chief intellectual glories of Cambridge” before he died at 31 when in reality he checks the names used by Googling and picks out something interesting. Why do I think this? Because 5371 (who is really 5372 because 5371 died long ago and this purported one is a grave robber) has contrived his indignation. No one goes over the top so much just because his target has indicated some disdain for being a contributor to UR.
     
    When you wrote that, were you aware that it's a classic example of paranoid schizophrenia?

    As you had recently made a useful contribution to my understanding of that usually pejorative “Cultural Marxism” which has been thrown into arguments for almost as long as (cultural) relativism which you neatly explicated I gave your apparently ambiguous comment a second look.

    What was the “it” in “it’s”? Well I suppose it was the passage that had been highlighted in blue but isn’t so highlighted now as I look at your comment immediately above this and, anyway didn’t include the whole of my parenthetical jibe at 5371 really being dead which I take to be the passage you are referring to.

    Two points or questions. My frolic about the pseudonymous grave robber was an attempt to be lighthearted in commenting adversely on his use of the idea of theft to characterise the commenter’s choice of pseudonym (which I am inclined to approve having long ago read Keynes’s account of the brilliant brother of Michael Ramsey who became Archbishop of Canterbury – after Keynes and his brother were both dead). But, also, I would be interested to know about classic symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia, particularly in reference to the “it”.

    I have only known two or three paranoid schizophrenics. In the two certain cases I had calls by or on behalf of the 30 something man and 30ish woman to go and help them where they had been restrained. In the case of the amiable large and strong young man,who knew me as the older relation of an old girlfriend, he had stopped taking his medication and was at a police station where I noticed a young police woman was wearing a gun when in the room where I spoke to him. My most lively memory is of his asking “How’s your father?” to which I replied “I’m afraid he’s dead Charlie”. “Oh I know” he says. “Well why did you ask how he is?” say I. “Because I liked him” says “Charlie”!!

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    What was the “it” in “it’s”?
     
    I was being snotty. And I wrote "paranoid" because I couldn't remember "hebephrenic" at the time. Classic hebephrenic is frequently characterized as a sort "stream of consciousness" presentation.

    Just forget it. It was bad manners on my part. You didn't deserve it.
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  73. Cross-comment on iSteve as well, but here is Derb’s “goodwhites vs badwhites”.

    Wisconsin’s two richest, most educated, and most politically active districts were completely at odds politically in 2012:

    http://archive.jsonline.com/blogs/news/189585801.html

    Also true of what seem to be the two whitest, the 3rd and the 7th. The 3rd used to be moderate Republican, and the 7th communist/Democrat, but in recent years have switched sides.

    Obviously, the 5th and the 7th have “the wrong kind of white people”. And the 2nd and 3rd, the right kind.

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  74. @Wizard of Oz
    As you had recently made a useful contribution to my understanding of that usually pejorative "Cultural Marxism" which has been thrown into arguments for almost as long as (cultural) relativism which you neatly explicated I gave your apparently ambiguous comment a second look.

    What was the "it" in "it's"? Well I suppose it was the passage that had been highlighted in blue but isn't so highlighted now as I look at your comment immediately above this and, anyway didn't include the whole of my parenthetical jibe at 5371 really being dead which I take to be the passage you are referring to.

    Two points or questions. My frolic about the pseudonymous grave robber was an attempt to be lighthearted in commenting adversely on his use of the idea of theft to characterise the commenter's choice of pseudonym (which I am inclined to approve having long ago read Keynes's account of the brilliant brother of Michael Ramsey who became Archbishop of Canterbury - after Keynes and his brother were both dead). But, also, I would be interested to know about classic symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia, particularly in reference to the "it".

    I have only known two or three paranoid schizophrenics. In the two certain cases I had calls by or on behalf of the 30 something man and 30ish woman to go and help them where they had been restrained. In the case of the amiable large and strong young man,who knew me as the older relation of an old girlfriend, he had stopped taking his medication and was at a police station where I noticed a young police woman was wearing a gun when in the room where I spoke to him. My most lively memory is of his asking "How's your father?" to which I replied "I'm afraid he's dead Charlie". "Oh I know" he says. "Well why did you ask how he is?" say I. "Because I liked him" says "Charlie"!!

    What was the “it” in “it’s”?

    I was being snotty. And I wrote “paranoid” because I couldn’t remember “hebephrenic” at the time. Classic hebephrenic is frequently characterized as a sort “stream of consciousness” presentation.

    Just forget it. It was bad manners on my part. You didn’t deserve it.

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    Sorry! Should have been "forgotten" rather than "Agree" :-)
    , @NoseytheDuke
    Verbal diarrea is the term you're looking for.
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  75. I remember at the time that the blame was being cast on supporters of Bernie Sanders, which didn’t seem consistent with his message or the profile of his followers. So, it was the Hillary crowd trying to kill two birds with one stone, eh? Damage Trump with accusations of fomenting violence and then blame Sanders for trying to smear Trump. Hillary’s goons are world class, along with Dick Nixon’s dirty tricksters.

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  76. @John Doe
    I keep seeing these nonsense claims about Marx. Reading Marx's Communist Manifesto will take you 15 minutes, and it will show you that Marx had nothing on race. It will prove that he asked workers of a country solve their problems within the country, applying local solutions to local problems. The claim that Marx was anti-white or anti-borders is patently false. Surely, once property rights are fully abolished, borders become pointless, but that is a side effect.
    I am not saying Marx was right. I am merely restating his claims.
    Repeating such lies betrays an author as someone who can't read on his own for 15 minutes and talks about what he doesn't know using the words of his brainwashing sixth grade teacher. If I find you so superficial on things that I know, how can I trust you on those that I don't?

    Guess you never heard the slogan, “Workers of the, unite! You have nothing to lose but your chains!”

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  77. @Neuday
    National Review, what happened to you??? You used to be a fantastic and amazing publication with writers like Mark Steyn and John Derbyshire. Joe Sobran is one of my favorite writers. But now you have DAVID FRENCH??? What happened?

    Neo-cons happened, that’s what.

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  78. El Dato says:

    It’s the vast right-wing conspiracy!

    Smoking Man may even be part of it!!

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  79. @Sunbeam
    Uh....

    Look some things don't translate very well to... I guess I'd call it the real world.

    Benghazi? No one really cared about that. No one paid attention, no one was interested. Of course it was FUBAR - that's what the government does. Everyone knows it. And a story about it is dull as can be.

    Now this. Come on. Most Americans hold it as an article of faith that this IS DONE ALL THE TIME, and is SOP. Now you run into people who think the Democratic Party (or the Republican Party - we are talking about true believers) are pure as the driven snow.

    But most of the rest figure both parties are doing it. Well it's hard to imagine the Republicans doing it, they have a built in handicap that way.

    But they sure wish they could.

    And as for this blowing up into a "hot" story? Probably not. Takes a lot of effort to "catapult the propaganda." Anna Nicole Smith and Casey Anthony don't just happen they are made.

    And as for the story being salacious? So what. If you google you can find the front page of the Washington Times with the 1980's pedo allegations. And then there was the case of Jeff Gannon.

    If those two stories didn't blow up into feeding frenzies (just like the eerie media calm over Epstein's island while Alicia Machado is the most interesting woman in the world), nothing will.

    Just won't happen. Won't matter unless someone who owns a major media outlet goes full OJ on it.

    Down the memory hole.

    Most Americans hold it as an article of faith that this IS DONE ALL THE TIME, and is SOP.

    You’re correct, of course, which is why most merkins will glide right over this story. Meanwhile, though, they still fervently believe that Trump and his fans were inciting violence all year long at their rallies.

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  80. @John Jeremiah Smith

    What was the “it” in “it’s”?
     
    I was being snotty. And I wrote "paranoid" because I couldn't remember "hebephrenic" at the time. Classic hebephrenic is frequently characterized as a sort "stream of consciousness" presentation.

    Just forget it. It was bad manners on my part. You didn't deserve it.

    Sorry! Should have been “forgotten” rather than “Agree” :-)

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  81. […] O’Keefe Videos Really Are Clinton’s Watergate (John Derbyshire, The Unz Review) […]

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  82. El Dato says:

    Operators operating operationally for The Democratz:

    “The strange tale of a dating site’s attacks on WikiLeaks founder Assange”

    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article110904727.html

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  83. @John Jeremiah Smith

    What was the “it” in “it’s”?
     
    I was being snotty. And I wrote "paranoid" because I couldn't remember "hebephrenic" at the time. Classic hebephrenic is frequently characterized as a sort "stream of consciousness" presentation.

    Just forget it. It was bad manners on my part. You didn't deserve it.

    Verbal diarrea is the term you’re looking for.

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    And spelling lessons for you to help you with the characteristic regularities of words of Greek derivation.
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  84. @NoseytheDuke
    Verbal diarrea is the term you're looking for.

    And spelling lessons for you to help you with the characteristic regularities of words of Greek derivation.

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    And spelling lessons for you to help you with the characteristic regularities of words of Greek derivation.
     
    Whuuuut? Greek deri-whuuut?

    You were directly addressing a moron. For shame. One must always adhere to a policy of addressing morons indirectly. Just don't let it happen again.
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  85. John Jeremiah Smith [AKA "MCPO USN"] says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    And spelling lessons for you to help you with the characteristic regularities of words of Greek derivation.

    And spelling lessons for you to help you with the characteristic regularities of words of Greek derivation.

    Whuuuut? Greek deri-whuuut?

    You were directly addressing a moron. For shame. One must always adhere to a policy of addressing morons indirectly. Just don’t let it happen again.

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    I think you are wrong. Being moronic is a lifelong condition, normally, but NoseytheDuke** seems to have had the wit to inherit and spend and, eventually, by assiduous endeavour, succeed in squandering too much of a fine inheritance on becoming an alcoholic.

    **I do like the suggestion implicit in his moniker that his ego remains strong (well large anyway) as the identification with the great Arthur Wellesley (né Wesley) 1st Duke of Wellington is clear.
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  86. @John Jeremiah Smith

    And spelling lessons for you to help you with the characteristic regularities of words of Greek derivation.
     
    Whuuuut? Greek deri-whuuut?

    You were directly addressing a moron. For shame. One must always adhere to a policy of addressing morons indirectly. Just don't let it happen again.

    I think you are wrong. Being moronic is a lifelong condition, normally, but NoseytheDuke** seems to have had the wit to inherit and spend and, eventually, by assiduous endeavour, succeed in squandering too much of a fine inheritance on becoming an alcoholic.

    **I do like the suggestion implicit in his moniker that his ego remains strong (well large anyway) as the identification with the great Arthur Wellesley (né Wesley) 1st Duke of Wellington is clear.

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    NoseytheDuke** seems to have had the wit to inherit and spend and, eventually, by assiduous endeavour, succeed in squandering too much of a fine inheritance on becoming an alcoholic.
     
    You are kind indeed. Such genteel tolerance is much to be admired.

    I do like the suggestion implicit in his moniker that his ego remains strong (well large anyway) as the identification with the great Arthur Wellesley (né Wesley) 1st Duke of Wellington is clear.
     
    And here I was thinking it was "The Duke" from Mark Twain's Tom Sawyer. The one that got tarred, feathered, and run out on a rail. Silly me. You obviously have better information than I.
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  87. John Jeremiah Smith [AKA "MCPO USN"] says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    I think you are wrong. Being moronic is a lifelong condition, normally, but NoseytheDuke** seems to have had the wit to inherit and spend and, eventually, by assiduous endeavour, succeed in squandering too much of a fine inheritance on becoming an alcoholic.

    **I do like the suggestion implicit in his moniker that his ego remains strong (well large anyway) as the identification with the great Arthur Wellesley (né Wesley) 1st Duke of Wellington is clear.

    NoseytheDuke** seems to have had the wit to inherit and spend and, eventually, by assiduous endeavour, succeed in squandering too much of a fine inheritance on becoming an alcoholic.

    You are kind indeed. Such genteel tolerance is much to be admired.

    I do like the suggestion implicit in his moniker that his ego remains strong (well large anyway) as the identification with the great Arthur Wellesley (né Wesley) 1st Duke of Wellington is clear.

    And here I was thinking it was “The Duke” from Mark Twain’s Tom Sawyer. The one that got tarred, feathered, and run out on a rail. Silly me. You obviously have better information than I.

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