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There hasn’t been a whole lot of news about the Department of Justice investigation of Harvard University since I last mentioned the issue back in August.

To refresh your memory: the DOJ was responding to a complaint from a coalition of Asian-American groups that their people, Asian-Americans, are discriminated against by Harvard admissions officers.

Back then in August, the DOJ was just staffing up for an investigation. It seems that now they’re getting ahead with it. So at least I infer from this column by Betsy McCaughey [Email her] in Wednesday’s New York Post: Ending Ivy-League Bigotry . [November 28, 2017]

According to Betsy, Jeff Sessions’ DOJ has advanced to the point of demanding admissions records from Harvard.

Harvard, she says, is stonewalling like crazy. They haven’t delivered a single document. DOJ imposed a deadline of December 1st —which Harvard has apparently just (grudgingly) accepted (it’s trying to add a condition that “allowed government lawyers to look at the records only in the offices of Harvard’s lawyers, according to people close to the case”. [Harvard Agrees to Turn Over Records Amid Discrimination Inquiry, By Anemona Hartocollis, NYT, December 1, 2017]

This is nothing new. Harvard got sued in 2014 by a mainly Asian-American group on the same grounds—that Harvard runs a quota system on admissions to keep the numbers of Asians down. It has been stonewalling on that, Betsy reports:

Harvard has spent millions of dollars on legal maneuvers and court filings, trying unsuccessfully to get the lawsuit dismissed and to shield the college’s “holistic” admissions process from scrutiny. But a federal judge is compelling the college to hand over six years of admissions records … This lawsuit is expected to be tried in Boston late in 2018, but no doubt will end up at the US Supreme Court.

The first thing to be said about this is that of course Harvard does discriminate against Asian-Americans. Ron Unz crunched the numbers j ust five years ago over at The American Conservative in a brilliant piece titled “The Myth of American Meritocracy[November 28, 2012] You can also find the essay in Ron’s book of that title.

The centerpiece of Ron’s essay: a killer graph comparing the steady rise from 1990 to 2011 of the Asian-American college-age population with the dead-flat proportions of Asian-American admittances to Ivy League schools, held down firmly in a tight band between thirteen and eighteen percent.

Of course they are discriminating. Who doesn’t know it?

Betsy McCaughey is upbeat about the situation. Here’s her closing paragraph:

Harvard’s racial-quota system is indefensible. Fortunately, its days are numbered, because finally we have a Justice Department willing to fight for colorblind fairness in college admissions.

Needless to say, I’m going to take a much darker view. East Asians have higher mean IQ than whites, and of course far higher than mestizos and blacks. They especially excel at disciplines needing visuo-spatial skills. IQ aside, it seems likely they also have higher proportions of the personality characteristics that suit a person to high intellectual endeavor.

If Harvard and other high-prestige universities practice color-blind admissions, therefore, Asian-Americans will be way over-represented, and way-way over-represented in fields like math and computer science.

Betsy actually sees this:

Asian-American students now win nearly half the places at California Institute of Technology, up from only a quarter in 1992.

Okay, Betsy, but here’s my question: Is this actually good for America?

Think of the kind of resentment, anger, and bitterness that blacks feel when they see other races succeeding more than they do. Wouldn’t color-blind admissions just add a new layer of resentment in American society—with whites (known as “Americans” until the 1965 Immigration Act) watching Asians flood into the Ivies, displacing them?

Immigration patriots in the early 20th century strove to keep out East Asian immigrants, not because they “hated” them, as the infantile language of our current discourse would tell you, or because they thought them an inferior race, but because they feared mass immigration of East Asians would produce an overclass, generating discontent and resentment among legacy Americans.

As Kevin Macdonald wrote here at VDARE.com in 2004:

Many restrictionists, far from feeling they were members of a superior ethnic group, worried that their people could not compete with Japanese and Chinese.

I think that worry was reasonable. What would Betsy McCaughey say if I confronted her with it?

I’m sure she would respond with a stream of race-denialist blather. “There are no innate differences between the races,” she’d protest. “That’s a horrible thing to suggest! We just need the right social policies. Fix the schools! Save the black family! …”

We’ve heard it all a thousand times. Race denialism is state dogma in the 21st-century West. No one with a gig writing op-eds for the New York Post is going to turn race-realist.

Unfortunately, race-realism is true and race-denialism is a lie. That being the case, we have to choose between two evils: unfairness in college admissions, or higher levels of social discord.

To date we have chosen Door Number One. Are we quite sure that wasn’t the better choice—the lesser of two evils?

If you go to a doctor with a bacterial infection—an infected blister perhaps—he can give you an antibiotic, and you’ll be cured. If you go to him with a broken leg, he’ll get it set for you, and soon you’ll be playing tennis again. Doctors can fix things and cure things.

If, however, you go to the doctor with arthritis, or diabetes, or a leukemia like the one I have, he can’t fix it, he can’t cure it. What he can do is manage it: set you up so that the pain and inconvenience are the least possible. We can’t cure those conditions, but we can manage them, minimizing the trouble they cause us.

ORDER IT NOW

America’s race problem is like that. There’s no cure, although the race denialists breezily assure us there is. We can’t fix the schools to produce equal racial outcomes. God knows, we’ve been trying for decades, with essentially zero results. W e can’t make whites as smart as East Asians; Mother Nature’s standing in the way.

What we can do—what we do do—is manage the situation, to keep social discord at a minimum. Race quotas in college admissions is one aspect of that management. It works pretty well.

As I said back in August, though:

This is one of the holes we have dug for ourselves this past half century with mass immigration and multiculturalism.

Do I know how to get out of the hole? No.

I do know, though, that if we adopt Derbian Minimalism as our immigration policy with 1) no further settlement of foreigners from anywhere and 2) severe restrictions on numbers of foreign students, we might at least stabilize the situation.

There: I just said it again. We’ve foolishly, heedlessly made a mess for ourselves with these decades of mass immigration.

Now there are two things we have to do:

  • One: We have to manage the mess as best we can.
  • Two: We have to stop making it worse.

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John Derbyshire [email him] writes an incredible amount on all sorts of subjects for all kinds of outlets. (This no longer includes National Review, whose editors had some kind of tantrum and fired him. ) He is the author of We Are Doomed: Reclaiming Conservative Pessimism and several other books. He has had two books published by VDARE.com com:FROM THE DISSIDENT RIGHT (also available in Kindle) and FROM THE DISSIDENT RIGHT II: ESSAYS 2013.

(Republished from VDare by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. D. K. says:

    What Mr. Unz’ study actually found was that Harvard discriminated against non-Hispanic White Gentiles– i.e., the American majority population, historically and still– about twice as badly as it did against so-called “Asians” (a ludicrous amalgam of East Asian “Orientals”– as we used to refer to them– and South Asian Caucasians):

    Almost every other elite college and university that Mr. Unz studied, for that groundbreaking article, also discriminated against non-Hispanic White Gentiles more than against so-called Asians.

    In addition, since so-called Asian applicants skew so prominently toward intended STEM majors, it is only natural that fewer are admitted to liberal-arts colleges and universities, which need and accept a much wider variety of intended subject majors, than is the case at technical colleges and universities.

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    • Agree: Travis
    • Replies: @Hail
    What explains the very low % of White Gentiles at the Ivy League today, if not discrimination? (This must be simply baffling to the many adherents of the popular White Privilege conspiracy theory.)

    If Northwest-European White-Protestants are the ethnocultural core of the USA, and if they operate in a culture of pervasive racial-cultural supremacism, as out betters tell us is the case, then there is no explaining this vast under-representation.

    Does an actual dizzy feeling come along with these levels of Cognitive Dissonance?
    , @Yan Shen

    In addition, since so-called Asian applicants skew so prominently toward intended STEM majors, it is only natural that fewer are admitted to liberal-arts colleges and universities, which need and accept a much wider variety of intended subject majors, than is the case at technical colleges and universities
     
    .

    Yeah I had always wondered about that as well whenever I heard people arguing that sans affirmative action Asians would be about 40% of Harvard undergrad, comparable to their numbers at Caltech for instance. Caltech is obviously a STEM focused school, whereas Harvard, as you've pointed out is a much more well rounded school.

    Not sure if the existing studies that are often cited on these matters, i.e. Espenshade, adequately take that into account.
    , @Wade
    Yeah I don't know why the Derb doesn't at least mention this aspect to the story. It would be the irony of ironies if the DOJ took some action against Harvard forcing them to make Asians 40% of the Harvard student body while allowing them to continue to discriminate against white Gentiles.

    What is happening to white gentiles in the US and the west in general is heartbreaking. Our own gentile leaders seems helpless to even address it. I wonder why.
    , @Colleen Pater
    Even Derbs premise falls short, forget meritocracy and fairness. The real world implication is that white nations become where the worlds elites thrive and whites become and underclass with no where to retreat to.
    It is not good for whites to turn over their nations to jews asians or the top .00001% of all the worlds races no matter what their merit based rating might be. White natins were built by and for whites if the world thinks it needs te united nations to open universities lets see if they can do it, so far the higher IQ jews and east asians cant create an entire nation universities included , we may have an edge that gives us the whole package. by allowing our universities to be universalties we in reality turn our nation also over to rule by non white graduates and of course they then run our nation for universalist cog elites. This is really unhealthy for whites, theres good reason to think it may be unhealthy for the world including jews and east asians. To them universalism is a scam they can exploit to us its a value. Now its true it may be a suicidal value or I think more likely its suicidal if we do not practice it from the safety of our own nation ethno state. In short whites are a good in the world when they are strong enough, but can not be that good if we are overrun.
    Even if ot turns out we are not so good that if allowed by our cog elite masters to again compete as one of a couple hundred other ethno nation states for our specific ethnic interests, well thats still righteous and fair, there's no cosmic law that says whites must heal the world thats the jew law let them have at it.
    griffe du lion calculated that 2% american jews having 50% of wealth and power could be accounted for by IQ alone, I am a bit skeptical but am not up to his math skills maybe derb can comment. Point is east asians are no less tribal than jews and though the IQ edge is less they are going to far exceed 2% even without the black hispanic cutouts this puts whites at a huge minority in their own elites and two high IQ tribal groups ahead and worse our white cog elites are least capable of understanding the problem and dangers of this so its not even like we have a 20% white elite fighting like hell for white interests they are fighting like hell against white interests. Its of course simply incredible, and no one but Ivy league grads seem to be able to make any sense of it it just seems like suicide to te rest of us followed by the end of the world without us.But of course they harvard grads and Im a steamfitter
    , @pyrrhus
    If you look at objective measures, i.e. SAT scores, you will find that whites are highly discriminated against, while asians are somewhat discriminated against. Major beneficiaries are Jews, who use power and money to get in above their numbers, and other minorities, who benefit from liberal tokenism. Fortunately, Harvard's curriculum is now so watered down that students would learn more at many top State universities....Of course, what students really want is a piece of paper with Harvard's name on it so they can get no-work jobs in Government or corporations...
    , @Malla
    It is surprising that since the main article is about race and admissions in Harvard, no one mentioned two posts on this issue by La Griffe du Lion.

    The Colour of Meritocracy
    http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/color_of_meritocracy.htm

    Check out this part.

    If every 18-year-old Californian in 1990 competed for one of the 3500 seats in the UC Berkeley freshman class, the seats being filled in rank order of cognitive ability, the class would have looked like this:
    7 African Americans
    115 Hispanics
    3 American Indians et al
    1244 East Asians
    20 "Other Asians"
    2111 non-Hispanic Whites
    The odds of making it to Berkeley would have been:
    4912 to 1 for an African American
    1291 to 1 for a Hispanic, "Other Asian" or Indian et al
    16 to 1 for an East Asian
    99 to 1 for a non-Hispanic White


    Also he comes to similar conclusions as reached by you with a lot of data.

    The set asides for blacks and Hispanics bump applicants from the other groups. Non-Jewish whites take the biggest hit, because being the least able of the remaining groups (non-Jewish whites, Asians and Jews) they cluster near the bottom of that pack, and consequently are most vulnerable.


    Also check out
    The Death of Meritocracy
    http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/prop209.htm
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  2. I’m not so sure that chart is as “killer” as you say. What percentage of Asians 18-21 were even going to college at all? Shouldn’t that be teased out from the total number?

    Also, of those going to college, what percentage had Ivy League-level SATs and grades? We don’t know.

    There are plenty of underachieving Asians. I see them all the time at the H Mart, stocking shelves with Hi-Chews (which are yummy).

    The suspicious part of the chart is the discrepancy between Cal Tech and the Ivies. But, that could be explained by the Asian nerd factor. They might naturally gravitate to a school filled with math grinds.

    I’m not saying they’re not discriminated against, I’m just saying that chart doesn’t prove it.

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    • Replies: @WHAT
    Caltech, MIT, Berkeley and in part Stanford can be defined as tech-centric institutions, and everything else is there just for the networking(or should I say nepotistic homo shit). Asians, with their high IQs, understand well that they are not welcome with the networking crowds outside of token numbers, so they choose the actual work instead.
    , @Wally
    The big question:

    What is considered "Asian" at Harvard or other universities?

    And what is considered "white", or "caucasian", which is used sometimes.
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  3. “W e can’t make whites as smart as East Asians; Mother Nature’s standing in the way.” Derbyshire is the gift that gives on giving. So, what he did was marry a Chinese woman and got 2 average, troubled Chinese offspring. Mother Nature played a joke on him.

    Mother Nature stood in the way when the Greeks laid down the foundations for science, mathematics, philosophy – the systems needed for conquering and mastering and understanding the world. I guess Mother Nature was peeved at the Chinese and Japanese and decided to give the Europeans an upper hand.

    Mother Nature stood in the way when the Industrial Revolution took off in England. Mother Nature was again peeved at the Chinese. For example, before the Chinese Exclusion Act of the USA, the Chinese were working with whites on the railroads. When they were expelled, did they go back and turn China into an industrial power with the knowledge they gained in the West? No.

    Mother Nature stood in the way of Japan becoming an industrialized country. She let the shogunate close off Japan. Mother Nature again gave her European offspring the upper hand by allowing Capt. Matthew Perry to overthrow the shogunate and force Japan to modernize.

    Today, everyone praises the talent of classical Asian musicians. But what kind of music are they playing? Classical Asian music? No. Dead white male music.

    Derbyshire you really out did yourself with the above comment. I’ll let you respond. Tell us what Asian science, philsophy, music changed and conquered the world?

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    • Replies: @Yan Shen
    Well I've said this before and I'll say it again. You seem to have an extraordinarily strange obsession with other people's personal lives. Live your own life and be happy, eh? Associate with whoever you want, and grant others that same basic right.
    , @dearieme
    "Mother Nature stood in the way when the Greeks laid down the foundations for science, mathematics, philosophy ...

    Mother Nature stood in the way when the Industrial Revolution took off in England."

    Mother Nature seemed to ensure that Europeans were largely devoid of intellectual sizzle between, roughly, Ancient Greece and 17th-18th-19th century England. Funny that.
    , @36 ulster
    They...well-I--don't call him Bertie
    Woostershire for nothing.
    , @Truth
    LOL:

    I set the over/under at 10 responses before you came with the Mossberg, babe, I was way under!
    , @Anonymous
    Derbyshire is a pseudo-intellectual retard who went to a third-rate school. And his yellow fever is further affecting his limited and decaying brain. All of higher math was founded by white gentile males. Fermat, Fourier, Leplace, Boole, Lagrange, Reimann, Galois, Bernoulli, Cauchy, Pascal, Weierstrass, Descartes, Poincaré, Euler, Godel, Frege, ... But hey, worker-bot orientals whose free time during high school is spent at SAT prep schools are the real geniuses because they can do well on the standardized tests which were developed by that proceeding group of (((intellectual middlemen))) to get into these same schools founded by white gentiles.
    , @Charles Dolci
    Attila... You confuse traits of the individual with traits of the society. IQ is an individual trait. Economic and personal freedom are social traits. High IQ persons living in a society that is repressive and stifles innovation are denied the opportunity to use that intellect. It is like seeds falling on parched, rocky ground. After living in the Middle East for a couple years I was impressed at just how brilliant Indians were. I would remark to myself "Good thing they live in a socialist system that suppressed individual achievement, otherwise they would dominate the world, economically, and, perhaps, otherwise."
    Whites had the good fortune of being just smart enough to recognize the advantages of personal freedom and individual liberties that allowed them to use their "lesser IQ" to a much greater advantage.
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  4. Hail says: • Website

    See comments by Razib Khan on this:

    You can’t manufacture leadership and charisma. Harvard’s role is to educate and inculcate the leaders of the next generation of Americans. It is the training ground for our natural aristocracy. Can American society actually conceive of a situation where 40% of those leaders are Asian? I doubt it. Asian Americans are not seen as plausible leaders. [...] Do we as a society need to abolish all discrimination by any means necessary? I’d say no.

    (From “Asian Americans Lack ‘Good Character’” [May 16, 2015])

    I note that Razib Khan was born in Bangladesh (as far as I know) and has been in the USA from early childhood. His implicit endorsement of defacto race quotas to prevent an ‘Asian takeover’ of the USA’s elite academia should be seen in this light.

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    "Harvard’s role is to educate and inculcate the leaders of the next generation of Americans. It is the training ground for our natural aristocracy": given what a dog's breakfast your natural aristocracy has been making of public affairs, maybe you should experiment with replacing them by Asians.

    "endorsement of defacto race quotas to prevent an ‘Asian takeover’ of the USA’s elite academia": and that goes in spades for your academia, elite or otherwise.
    , @Ronnie
    Is Jared Kushner our "natural aristocracy" ? An average student whose family reportedly made a large financial contribution to Harvard.
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  5. Hail says: • Website

    Is there evidence of discrimination in admissions against Half-Asian applicants?

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  6. Hail says: • Website
    @D. K.
    What Mr. Unz' study actually found was that Harvard discriminated against non-Hispanic White Gentiles-- i.e., the American majority population, historically and still-- about twice as badly as it did against so-called "Asians" (a ludicrous amalgam of East Asian "Orientals"-- as we used to refer to them-- and South Asian Caucasians):

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/eliteenrollment-large.jpg

    Almost every other elite college and university that Mr. Unz studied, for that groundbreaking article, also discriminated against non-Hispanic White Gentiles more than against so-called Asians.

    In addition, since so-called Asian applicants skew so prominently toward intended STEM majors, it is only natural that fewer are admitted to liberal-arts colleges and universities, which need and accept a much wider variety of intended subject majors, than is the case at technical colleges and universities.

    What explains the very low % of White Gentiles at the Ivy League today, if not discrimination? (This must be simply baffling to the many adherents of the popular White Privilege conspiracy theory.)

    If Northwest-European White-Protestants are the ethnocultural core of the USA, and if they operate in a culture of pervasive racial-cultural supremacism, as out betters tell us is the case, then there is no explaining this vast under-representation.

    Does an actual dizzy feeling come along with these levels of Cognitive Dissonance?

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  7. Discard says:

    There is no reason to suppose that Orientals are smarter than Whites. That the average Chinese in America may be smarter than the average White indicates only that the Chinese that come here are smarter than average. They don’t get on the jet straight from the rice paddies, you know. China can spare a few of their many, many millions of midwit drudges in order to dominate the professional class in America, with a good leavening of spies as well.

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    I think there's a present-tense cross sectional difference. Several questions for the rest of us: how valid are cross-cultural psychometic comparisons, to what extent does the difference in median score between one collectivity and another derive from the sources which induce differences in scores between individuals, and how does this metric influence economic development. Richard Lynn presented a thesis on economic development which he generated without consulting any literature in economics (which you can verify by examining his bibliography).
    , @Art Deco
    I'm recalling that Edward Luttwak offered that journalists produce narratives about Japan which present them as a society of 'work-obsessed automatons', something, per Luttwak, which is true only of a minority of company men and factory workers.
    , @Truth

    There is no reason to suppose that Orientals are smarter than Whites.
     
    None whatsoever. Except the same studies that indicated that whites are smarter than blacks. That's it.
    , @Wally
    Spot on point.

    The "asians" discussed in the piece are a selected group from the gazillions of other "asians".
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  8. Yan Shen says:
    @D. K.
    What Mr. Unz' study actually found was that Harvard discriminated against non-Hispanic White Gentiles-- i.e., the American majority population, historically and still-- about twice as badly as it did against so-called "Asians" (a ludicrous amalgam of East Asian "Orientals"-- as we used to refer to them-- and South Asian Caucasians):

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/eliteenrollment-large.jpg

    Almost every other elite college and university that Mr. Unz studied, for that groundbreaking article, also discriminated against non-Hispanic White Gentiles more than against so-called Asians.

    In addition, since so-called Asian applicants skew so prominently toward intended STEM majors, it is only natural that fewer are admitted to liberal-arts colleges and universities, which need and accept a much wider variety of intended subject majors, than is the case at technical colleges and universities.

    In addition, since so-called Asian applicants skew so prominently toward intended STEM majors, it is only natural that fewer are admitted to liberal-arts colleges and universities, which need and accept a much wider variety of intended subject majors, than is the case at technical colleges and universities

    .

    Yeah I had always wondered about that as well whenever I heard people arguing that sans affirmative action Asians would be about 40% of Harvard undergrad, comparable to their numbers at Caltech for instance. Caltech is obviously a STEM focused school, whereas Harvard, as you’ve pointed out is a much more well rounded school.

    Not sure if the existing studies that are often cited on these matters, i.e. Espenshade, adequately take that into account.

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    • Replies: @dearieme
    "Caltech is obviously a STEM focused school, whereas Harvard, as you’ve pointed out is a much more well rounded school." That's well-rounded in the sense of teaching lots of socio-twaddle, is it?
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  9. Fty says:

    Remember when Derp wrote an article where he called a 14-year-old girl “white trash”?

    http://www.vdare.com/articles/the-war-against-white-trash

    The Eternal Anglo, through miscegenation and lack of fecundity, is finally having its immortality revoked.

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    What's you point? Are you content that anyone who doesn't know your prejudices might have real difficulty understanding you?
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  10. Yan Shen says:

    We can’t make whites as smart as East Asians; Mother Nature’s standing in the way.

    It’s probably a little more complicated than that. The existing literature on intelligence suggests that East Asians exhibit a significant math/verbal split. They tend to score a little lower than whites on verbal reasoning, but typically score significantly higher on spatial/quantitative tests of aptitude.

    The most obvious manifestation of this is in the well documented East Asian tendency to skew towards STEM and away from the social sciences and humanities. Let me point out two additional facts that may not be as well known that are likely also the result of this math/verbal split. First, even within STEM East Asians exhibit a clear preference for the physical sciences over the life sciences and medicine. As noted by Simon Marginson in the quote below, China’s rapid rise in science has been disproportionately concentrated in the quantitative STEM fields.

    “Take chemistry: in the year 2000, China published 3.7 per cent of all papers in chemistry in the Thomson-Reuters Web of Science collection, based on all Thomson-accredited English-language journals. In 2012, that proportion had reached 16.9 per cent, and China’s total quantity of chemistry papers exceeded that of the US. More strikingly, in 2000 China authored just 0.6 per cent of chemistry papers ranked in the global top one per cent on citation rate in the Web of Science. Only 12 years later, in 2012, China published 16.3 per cent of the leading one per cent of papers, half as many as the US – an astonishing rate of improvement. There were similar patterns in engineering, physics and computing – where China publishes more top one per cent papers than the US – and mathematics (NSF, 2014).

    China, Taiwan, Korea, Japan, and to some degree Singapore, have concentrated research development in the physical sciences and related applied fields like engineering, computing and materials. In Korea and Japan this supports advanced manufacturing. China also emphasises research that supports accelerated modernisation: energy, urbanisation, construction, transport and communications. At this stage medicine and life sciences are much weaker.”

    Math/verbal split probably also explains why East Asia skews towards hardware and manufacturing as opposed to software and services, as is the case in the United States or India for instance. My guess is as East Asia further develops, we’re increasingly likely to see these sorts of cognitive differences become more pronounced.

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    The most obvious manifestation of this is in the well documented East Asian tendency to skew towards STEM and away from the social sciences and humanities.
     
    Perhaps that's why East Asian countries haven't been consumed by the liberal madness that's dragging the West down in flames. In the US most East Asians do not pursue those fields because they are very practical and see the social sciences and humanities as tickets to unemployment.
    , @Anonymous
    "The most obvious manifestation of this is in the well documented East Asian tendency to skew towards STEM and away from the social sciences and humanities."

    Yes, and here in Taiwan, the education is focused on STEM subjects. What's being ignored is the driver, career success/money, plus, the preference for subjects where ability is most easily quantified, so that prejudice is minimized. If poets suddenly had the status and earning power of those skilled in STEM, east Asians would be writing sonnets.
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  11. Yan Shen says:
    @attilathehen
    "W e can’t make whites as smart as East Asians; Mother Nature’s standing in the way." Derbyshire is the gift that gives on giving. So, what he did was marry a Chinese woman and got 2 average, troubled Chinese offspring. Mother Nature played a joke on him.

    Mother Nature stood in the way when the Greeks laid down the foundations for science, mathematics, philosophy - the systems needed for conquering and mastering and understanding the world. I guess Mother Nature was peeved at the Chinese and Japanese and decided to give the Europeans an upper hand.

    Mother Nature stood in the way when the Industrial Revolution took off in England. Mother Nature was again peeved at the Chinese. For example, before the Chinese Exclusion Act of the USA, the Chinese were working with whites on the railroads. When they were expelled, did they go back and turn China into an industrial power with the knowledge they gained in the West? No.

    Mother Nature stood in the way of Japan becoming an industrialized country. She let the shogunate close off Japan. Mother Nature again gave her European offspring the upper hand by allowing Capt. Matthew Perry to overthrow the shogunate and force Japan to modernize.

    Today, everyone praises the talent of classical Asian musicians. But what kind of music are they playing? Classical Asian music? No. Dead white male music.

    Derbyshire you really out did yourself with the above comment. I'll let you respond. Tell us what Asian science, philsophy, music changed and conquered the world?

    Well I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again. You seem to have an extraordinarily strange obsession with other people’s personal lives. Live your own life and be happy, eh? Associate with whoever you want, and grant others that same basic right.

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    Attila asked a question. What do or did Japan or China ever invent, or do anything that was new other than copy and of course, re-engineer in its own name? Oh, and out-and-out steal the industrial secrets they needed from us?

    This isn't a personal matter, except you certainly took it that way. And you and the Derbs say?
    , @Truth
    Well Yan, I mean the Derb has an strange obsession with other people's personal lives. That's why he's achieving his PhD in Blackpeopleology.

    Attilathehen is just peer reviewing his research.
    , @attilathehen
    Yan Shen, maybe you don't read English to well so let's take a look at what I wrote. Derbyshire wrote “W e can’t make whites as smart as East Asians; Mother Nature’s standing in the way.” This would be an extremely strange statement from an Englishman. Cecil Rhodes said that any one born English was a lottery winner. So there must another reason why such a man would make such a stupid statement. Voila!!! He's married to a Chinese woman and has Chinese offspring. Also, as a Caucasian woman, I find such a statement incredibly stupid and offensive. So now we know we're dealing with a racial degenerate. Also, as a Causcasian, Asians are inferior, second-tier to us. Derbyshire could avoid a lot of these problems. I commented before that when he makes an appearance at an AmRen conference, his wife and offspring could make public statements thanking him for allowing them to live and be born in the West. They would be thankful for the European blood that has improved their evolution. But he and they won't because Derbyshire really believes his dragon lady is the cause of the offspring's greatness.

    Here's another example of why a person's personal life is important. I read stuff on the alt-right and there's been some controversy over a couple of women - Lauren Southern and Tara McCarthy. It turns that (((Lauren Southern))) is Jewish and dates black men. There is nothing Jewish or black about the alt right. (((Southern))) has been milking white beta males through her fund raising accounts but spends her time with black guys. Tara McCarthy is busy hanging out with homos. Homosexuals have destroyed the RCC, the Boy Scouts, so many things. Homos are not a part of the alt-right. Also, she had a grandmother was was Jewish and East Indian. She is not Jewish and is Caucasian so she's ok. It's her homo stuff that's the problem. I follow Radio Aryan but some of those people are hooked on a racial purity that doesn't exist. Also, Hitler was most likely part Jewish, something they refuse to acknowledge. Plus they like China and Shia Muslims so that's another problem.

    Derbyshire's offspring could assimilate but today with international travel it is very easy for them to hook up with Asians. But, if they marry Asians they cannot be a part of the West. Fortunately, we're dealing with small numbers so we can nip this problem in the bud.
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  12. GHU says:

    When will lower-case “white” stop being used as a comparison to upper-case “East Asian” or “Chinese” or “Jew”? It’s either white, yellow, black, brown, and perhaps the awkward “red” (New World), or proper nouns rooted in race, ethnicity, or geographic provenance. Germans are white like Heineken is beer. Ashkenazis are white like Budweiser is beer. These cladistic groupings can be broadened (e.g. Germans to Germanics/Nordics to Europeans) or shrunk (Bavarians, Baltic Germans) for comparative purposes, but to constantly read about Hispanics compared to blacks compared to Asians compared to whites compared to Jews is so illogical it’s maddening.

    What food grows best: apples, Brussels sprouts, purples, Granny Smiths, or vegetables?

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  13. Yan Shen says:

    I do know, though, that if we adopt Derbian Minimalism as our immigration policy with 1) no further settlement of foreigners from anywhere and 2) severe restrictions on numbers of foreign students, we might at least stabilize the situation.

    As a traditional nationalist, I’m generally in favor of America smartly evaluating its immigration policies. I don’t know if I could go as far as Derbian Minimalism. For starters, that would’ve eliminated someone like John Derbyshire coming over to the US from the UK. I think more generally speaking we should reduce legal immigration, make sure colleges don’t favor foreign students over domestic ones, and adopt a sane immigration policy based mostly on merit. So while the Derb and I might not quite agree on the extent to which we should curtail immigration, I think we’re mostly on the same page and want to move in the same direction.

    Where I’m less convinced is that curtailing immigration will somehow make everything all perfect once again. Given today’s increasingly global society, countries are competitively affected even by other nations far away. As the hysteria of Japan bashing during the late 1980s and early 1990s in America showed, bad feelings can arise even when the offending people live thousands of miles away from you.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1991/06/16/europes-new-rage-japan-bashing/0b9b1f7b-e578-4aae-926b-e2bdd6809f68/?utm_term=.591409152e30

    A new wave of anti-Japanese sentiment is spreading across Europe as public admiration for Japan’s remarkable postwar recovery is rapidly turning to fear that its economic juggernaut will soon smash key industries, conquer the unifying European market and transform the continent into an industrial colony.

    Books and newspapers are jammed with references to the “Japanese peril.” The Japanese “salaryman’s” arduous office hours, skimpy vacations and fanatical work ethic are scorned in France and Germany as anathema to an enlightened lifestyle, yet considered a warning of what the future might bring if Japanese firms succeed in dominating the European economy.

    Competition with China or Japan certainly isn’t going to disappear just because there are fewer Chinese or Japanese living in the United States!

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    Competition with China or Japan certainly isn’t going to disappear just because there are fewer Chinese or Japanese living in the United States!
     
    No, it won't. But that is not an argument immigration restrictionists ever make.
    , @Truth

    I don’t know if I could go as far as Derbian Minimalism. For starters, that would’ve eliminated someone like John Derbyshire coming over to the US from the UK.
     
    Dude, I literally had 12 snarky comments come into my head at the same time when I read that. It was like rush hour in Times Square, but this statement really is better as a freestanding monument, without a tour guide.
    , @Wade

    Where I’m less convinced is that curtailing immigration will somehow make everything all perfect once again. Given today’s increasingly global society, countries are competitively affected even by other nations far away. As the hysteria of Japan bashing during the late 1980s and early 1990s in America showed, bad feelings can arise even when the offending people live thousands of miles away from you.
     
    I agree with you 100%. I remember this. There were many Americans who lost income or were forced to change how they worked due to their business models being challenged by global competition.

    However, the case of the US falling from #1 to #2 or 3 on some economic metric or another is not so bad as long as there's still an "us" left around to pick up the pieces and do it together. My wife whose been to Japan before talked with me just last night about how much more "racist" (she didn't mean the term in a negative way) the Japanese have become, greatly distrusting outsiders, with the possible exception of Tokyo which is still somewhat hospitable to tourists. For example it's not uncommon for them to get very annoyed when overhearing tourists speak aloud their European language within earshot. She put a positive spin on it by explaining, "the Japanese, though, are very proud of their country and their culture."

    Indeed. We can learn to take pride in ourselves even if we are not #1 in every conceivable thing. One of our greatest obstacles politically I believe is that we don't want to give up our supreme military dominance. I think we need to get out of the Middle East ASAP and start using our military and our resources more sparingly so we can regroup and rebuild at home. This is of course one of the cornerstones of a forward looking policy where the US looks more inward for efforts at self improvement.

    , @Rdm
    hahahahaha.... such a naive thinking.

    John Derbyshire talking about restriction on US immigration and you think if such a policy is executed, there would be a sweeping immigration changes across the entire globe?

    Dude, Derby voted Trump to kick Muslim out of this country, not to ban his ilk alike coming to the US.
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  14. dearieme says:
    @attilathehen
    "W e can’t make whites as smart as East Asians; Mother Nature’s standing in the way." Derbyshire is the gift that gives on giving. So, what he did was marry a Chinese woman and got 2 average, troubled Chinese offspring. Mother Nature played a joke on him.

    Mother Nature stood in the way when the Greeks laid down the foundations for science, mathematics, philosophy - the systems needed for conquering and mastering and understanding the world. I guess Mother Nature was peeved at the Chinese and Japanese and decided to give the Europeans an upper hand.

    Mother Nature stood in the way when the Industrial Revolution took off in England. Mother Nature was again peeved at the Chinese. For example, before the Chinese Exclusion Act of the USA, the Chinese were working with whites on the railroads. When they were expelled, did they go back and turn China into an industrial power with the knowledge they gained in the West? No.

    Mother Nature stood in the way of Japan becoming an industrialized country. She let the shogunate close off Japan. Mother Nature again gave her European offspring the upper hand by allowing Capt. Matthew Perry to overthrow the shogunate and force Japan to modernize.

    Today, everyone praises the talent of classical Asian musicians. But what kind of music are they playing? Classical Asian music? No. Dead white male music.

    Derbyshire you really out did yourself with the above comment. I'll let you respond. Tell us what Asian science, philsophy, music changed and conquered the world?

    “Mother Nature stood in the way when the Greeks laid down the foundations for science, mathematics, philosophy …

    Mother Nature stood in the way when the Industrial Revolution took off in England.”

    Mother Nature seemed to ensure that Europeans were largely devoid of intellectual sizzle between, roughly, Ancient Greece and 17th-18th-19th century England. Funny that.

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    There was a lot going on during the Middle Ages. Plus, Europe had to deal with the Muslims. But this did give China and Japan time to invent something. They didn't.
    , @Malla
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoqW3bd6FfE

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QlrpWDW-y8

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cqzq01i2O3U

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Bc5f9_YoFk
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  15. dearieme says:
    @Hail
    See comments by Razib Khan on this:

    You can’t manufacture leadership and charisma. Harvard’s role is to educate and inculcate the leaders of the next generation of Americans. It is the training ground for our natural aristocracy. Can American society actually conceive of a situation where 40% of those leaders are Asian? I doubt it. Asian Americans are not seen as plausible leaders. [...] Do we as a society need to abolish all discrimination by any means necessary? I’d say no.

    (From "Asian Americans Lack 'Good Character'" [May 16, 2015])
     

    I note that Razib Khan was born in Bangladesh (as far as I know) and has been in the USA from early childhood. His implicit endorsement of defacto race quotas to prevent an 'Asian takeover' of the USA's elite academia should be seen in this light.

    “Harvard’s role is to educate and inculcate the leaders of the next generation of Americans. It is the training ground for our natural aristocracy”: given what a dog’s breakfast your natural aristocracy has been making of public affairs, maybe you should experiment with replacing them by Asians.

    “endorsement of defacto race quotas to prevent an ‘Asian takeover’ of the USA’s elite academia”: and that goes in spades for your academia, elite or otherwise.

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    The US has, right now, an elite which was chosen via the IQ meritocracy instituted by the old SAT. And our elite absolutely sucks. Whatever we do going forward, IQ meritocracy should be no part of it.
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  16. dearieme says:
    @Yan Shen

    In addition, since so-called Asian applicants skew so prominently toward intended STEM majors, it is only natural that fewer are admitted to liberal-arts colleges and universities, which need and accept a much wider variety of intended subject majors, than is the case at technical colleges and universities
     
    .

    Yeah I had always wondered about that as well whenever I heard people arguing that sans affirmative action Asians would be about 40% of Harvard undergrad, comparable to their numbers at Caltech for instance. Caltech is obviously a STEM focused school, whereas Harvard, as you've pointed out is a much more well rounded school.

    Not sure if the existing studies that are often cited on these matters, i.e. Espenshade, adequately take that into account.

    “Caltech is obviously a STEM focused school, whereas Harvard, as you’ve pointed out is a much more well rounded school.” That’s well-rounded in the sense of teaching lots of socio-twaddle, is it?

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    That’s well-rounded in the sense of teaching lots of socio-twaddle, is it?

    About 1% of all post-secondary teachers are sociologists (15,000 out of 1.5 million in this country), and a great many of these specialize in the use of quantitative methods.
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  17. Acilius says: • Website

    Well, if for heritable reasons the average East Asian is smarter and more conscientious than the average European, doesn’t that imply that keeping the USA competitive internationally requires large-scale immigration from East Asia, even if that results in the rise of an overclass that we poor dumb honkies are unable to join? Otherwise we might stay on top of the American heap, but without the most effective human capital it will eventually be a Third-World heap.

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    Why not compose a bibliography of general audience literature on the Japanese economy published between 1981 and 1989 and then look at data on the evolution of Japan's productive base since that time as compared with a clutch of occidental countries?
    , @ThreeCranes
    You left something out.

    When tallying up extreme intelligence, what's being compared is the area under the far right hand of the bell curve. While it may be true that both Chinese (and I don't believe this because China is loaded with peasants who probably are under counted) and Jewish intelligence is higher at the extreme, there are so many whites in America that, when the plots are compared, the area under the white curve is much greater than that of both Chinese and Jews.

    That's holds true today. Were the USA today to allow massive Chinese immigration then the relative areas would change and indeed, Chinese people would dominate at the top. Hence, we must limit immigration.

    Dominance by the Jews on the other hand, we can do nothing about since they were chosen by God himself to lead humanity out of the dark ages.

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  18. Art Deco says:

    Here’s a suggestion: repeal anti-discrimination laws applying to college admissions. Leave a residuum: a disclosure requirement akin to the financial statements philanthropies have to file with secretaries of state. It would be in the form of a demographic sheet which would include stock and flow statistics on their student body broken down by coarse racial categories, and include an index of college board scores applying to each category. Such a statement would have to be audited by a licensed firm and the federal law requiring it would include criminal penalties for corporations which lie and for officers thereof implicated in the lying. A few deans behind bars and selling their homes to pay legal fees should persuade the rest to lay off their usual lying for a bit to issue an accurate statement. Let them discriminate all they want. Just insist they make public the detritus of that.

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  19. Art Deco says:
    @Acilius
    Well, if for heritable reasons the average East Asian is smarter and more conscientious than the average European, doesn't that imply that keeping the USA competitive internationally requires large-scale immigration from East Asia, even if that results in the rise of an overclass that we poor dumb honkies are unable to join? Otherwise we might stay on top of the American heap, but without the most effective human capital it will eventually be a Third-World heap.

    Why not compose a bibliography of general audience literature on the Japanese economy published between 1981 and 1989 and then look at data on the evolution of Japan’s productive base since that time as compared with a clutch of occidental countries?

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  20. Art Deco says:
    @Discard
    There is no reason to suppose that Orientals are smarter than Whites. That the average Chinese in America may be smarter than the average White indicates only that the Chinese that come here are smarter than average. They don't get on the jet straight from the rice paddies, you know. China can spare a few of their many, many millions of midwit drudges in order to dominate the professional class in America, with a good leavening of spies as well.

    I think there’s a present-tense cross sectional difference. Several questions for the rest of us: how valid are cross-cultural psychometic comparisons, to what extent does the difference in median score between one collectivity and another derive from the sources which induce differences in scores between individuals, and how does this metric influence economic development. Richard Lynn presented a thesis on economic development which he generated without consulting any literature in economics (which you can verify by examining his bibliography).

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  21. Art Deco says:
    @Discard
    There is no reason to suppose that Orientals are smarter than Whites. That the average Chinese in America may be smarter than the average White indicates only that the Chinese that come here are smarter than average. They don't get on the jet straight from the rice paddies, you know. China can spare a few of their many, many millions of midwit drudges in order to dominate the professional class in America, with a good leavening of spies as well.

    I’m recalling that Edward Luttwak offered that journalists produce narratives about Japan which present them as a society of ‘work-obsessed automatons’, something, per Luttwak, which is true only of a minority of company men and factory workers.

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  22. Art Deco says:
    @dearieme
    "Caltech is obviously a STEM focused school, whereas Harvard, as you’ve pointed out is a much more well rounded school." That's well-rounded in the sense of teaching lots of socio-twaddle, is it?

    That’s well-rounded in the sense of teaching lots of socio-twaddle, is it?

    About 1% of all post-secondary teachers are sociologists (15,000 out of 1.5 million in this country), and a great many of these specialize in the use of quantitative methods.

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    Socio-twaddle isn't limited to the discipline, if you can call it that, of sociology.
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  23. @Yan Shen
    Well I've said this before and I'll say it again. You seem to have an extraordinarily strange obsession with other people's personal lives. Live your own life and be happy, eh? Associate with whoever you want, and grant others that same basic right.

    Attila asked a question. What do or did Japan or China ever invent, or do anything that was new other than copy and of course, re-engineer in its own name? Oh, and out-and-out steal the industrial secrets they needed from us?

    This isn’t a personal matter, except you certainly took it that way. And you and the Derbs say?

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    out steal the industrial secrets they needed from us? This isn’t a personal matter, except you certainly took it that way. A

    His regarding it as a personal matter might have something to do with 'atilla' lobbing insults at the moderator for having married a Chinese woman and having demi-Oriental children.
    , @Frank the Prof

    What do or did Japan or China ever invent, or do anything that was new other than copy and of course, re-engineer in its own name? Oh, and out-and-out steal the industrial secrets they needed from us?
     
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/03/opinion/lost-einsteins-innovation-inequality.html

    Scroll Down to "Patents per 1,000 children, by race and 3rd-grade math performance"

    Asian 8.2 per 1000
    White 3.6 per 1000
    Black 1.0 per 1000
    Hispanic 0.6 per 1000

    This is the US only.
    , @random rand

    What do or did Japan or China ever invent, or do anything that was new other than copy and of course, re-engineer in its own name? Oh, and out-and-out steal the industrial secrets they needed from us?
     
    Or you can just google this question and find two wikipedia pages on this matter.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_mathematics
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_science_and_technology_in_China

    People like to scream left and right about "but China has no inventions!!!!" as if they have no google. This line of stupid ass arguments seriously needs to die. But no worries, keep on being enamored about how the Ancient Greeks were the only people in the world forever and ever to invent math and philosophy! FFS googling isn't hard people.
    , @Lars Porsena

    What do or did Japan or China ever invent, or do anything that was new other than copy and of course, re-engineer in its own name?
     
    Well the Chinese invented gunpowder which the Europeans re-engineered in their own names to great effect.

    Japan went from being in feudal isolationism in a hundred years to being at the forefront of aviation 20 years after it was invented, landing planes on wooden aircraft carriers. All over the world, the Europeans had the Maxim gun and only them, and they never had to worry about colonial subjects getting guns because even when they eventually did get their hands on them, they still had to rely on Europeans to supply them ammo and couldn't produce any themselves.

    Japan, both before isolationism with Portuguese and after it, would do that ridiculous thing that Europeans sometimes worried about but never happened anywhere else in the world in the whole colonial period - they would take apart the guns, copy the design and start producing their own.

    At the end of the isolation period the Japanese recapitulated European political history in the blink of an eye, going from a hereditary military nobility straight to a technocratic bureaucracy and from isolationism to empire fighting for control of the resources need to supply modernized militaries. Lightning fast adaptation.

    You can knock them for falling backwards technologically during the Japanese isolation period, but it is worth noting that while true isolationism doesn't work, while it lasted it was known as the Japanese golden age.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Japanese_inventions
    , @Hu Mi Yu

    What do or did Japan or China ever invent, or do anything that was new other than copy and of course, re-engineer in its own name?
     
    Gunpowder, rockets, porcelain, lacquer, silk, paddle-wheeled iron-clad ships, moveable type (ie printing), escapement mechanism (clocks), and the game of go for starters.

    try this link:
    http://afe.easia.columbia.edu/song/readings/inventions_timeline.htm

    Read Science and Civilization in China by Joseph Needham. It is a massive work with many photographs that will set you straight.
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  24. TheOldOne says:

    Mr. Derbyshire used to call us latrine flies; now he writes columns for our perusal. Sorry about that lost NR gig, John.

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  25. I don’t buy this.

    2050: JAPAN NOT CHINA Will be Asia’s DOMINANT Power

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  26. 36 ulster says:
    @attilathehen
    "W e can’t make whites as smart as East Asians; Mother Nature’s standing in the way." Derbyshire is the gift that gives on giving. So, what he did was marry a Chinese woman and got 2 average, troubled Chinese offspring. Mother Nature played a joke on him.

    Mother Nature stood in the way when the Greeks laid down the foundations for science, mathematics, philosophy - the systems needed for conquering and mastering and understanding the world. I guess Mother Nature was peeved at the Chinese and Japanese and decided to give the Europeans an upper hand.

    Mother Nature stood in the way when the Industrial Revolution took off in England. Mother Nature was again peeved at the Chinese. For example, before the Chinese Exclusion Act of the USA, the Chinese were working with whites on the railroads. When they were expelled, did they go back and turn China into an industrial power with the knowledge they gained in the West? No.

    Mother Nature stood in the way of Japan becoming an industrialized country. She let the shogunate close off Japan. Mother Nature again gave her European offspring the upper hand by allowing Capt. Matthew Perry to overthrow the shogunate and force Japan to modernize.

    Today, everyone praises the talent of classical Asian musicians. But what kind of music are they playing? Classical Asian music? No. Dead white male music.

    Derbyshire you really out did yourself with the above comment. I'll let you respond. Tell us what Asian science, philsophy, music changed and conquered the world?

    They…well-I–don’t call him Bertie
    Woostershire for nothing.

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  27. Art Deco says:
    @Jim Christian
    Attila asked a question. What do or did Japan or China ever invent, or do anything that was new other than copy and of course, re-engineer in its own name? Oh, and out-and-out steal the industrial secrets they needed from us?

    This isn't a personal matter, except you certainly took it that way. And you and the Derbs say?

    out steal the industrial secrets they needed from us? This isn’t a personal matter, except you certainly took it that way. A

    His regarding it as a personal matter might have something to do with ‘atilla’ lobbing insults at the moderator for having married a Chinese woman and having demi-Oriental children.

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    married a Chinese woman and having demi-Oriental children.
     
    Hey, it's the only way I would have gone with a second marriage. A White feminist is no kind of woman to wife up, I discovered to my dismay. The feminist ethic is a wretched, destructive beast..
    , @Truth

    His regarding it as a personal matter might have something to do with ‘atilla’ lobbing insults at the moderator for having married a Chinese woman and having demi-Oriental children.
     
    Well DUH-uh-UH!

    The pupose of this website is to defend traditional white values and ways of life, isn't it?
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  28. @Yan Shen

    I do know, though, that if we adopt Derbian Minimalism as our immigration policy with 1) no further settlement of foreigners from anywhere and 2) severe restrictions on numbers of foreign students, we might at least stabilize the situation.
     
    As a traditional nationalist, I'm generally in favor of America smartly evaluating its immigration policies. I don't know if I could go as far as Derbian Minimalism. For starters, that would've eliminated someone like John Derbyshire coming over to the US from the UK. I think more generally speaking we should reduce legal immigration, make sure colleges don't favor foreign students over domestic ones, and adopt a sane immigration policy based mostly on merit. So while the Derb and I might not quite agree on the extent to which we should curtail immigration, I think we're mostly on the same page and want to move in the same direction.

    Where I'm less convinced is that curtailing immigration will somehow make everything all perfect once again. Given today's increasingly global society, countries are competitively affected even by other nations far away. As the hysteria of Japan bashing during the late 1980s and early 1990s in America showed, bad feelings can arise even when the offending people live thousands of miles away from you.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1991/06/16/europes-new-rage-japan-bashing/0b9b1f7b-e578-4aae-926b-e2bdd6809f68/?utm_term=.591409152e30


    A new wave of anti-Japanese sentiment is spreading across Europe as public admiration for Japan's remarkable postwar recovery is rapidly turning to fear that its economic juggernaut will soon smash key industries, conquer the unifying European market and transform the continent into an industrial colony.

    Books and newspapers are jammed with references to the "Japanese peril." The Japanese "salaryman's" arduous office hours, skimpy vacations and fanatical work ethic are scorned in France and Germany as anathema to an enlightened lifestyle, yet considered a warning of what the future might bring if Japanese firms succeed in dominating the European economy.
     

    Competition with China or Japan certainly isn't going to disappear just because there are fewer Chinese or Japanese living in the United States!

    Competition with China or Japan certainly isn’t going to disappear just because there are fewer Chinese or Japanese living in the United States!

    No, it won’t. But that is not an argument immigration restrictionists ever make.

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  29. Bill says:
    @dearieme
    "Harvard’s role is to educate and inculcate the leaders of the next generation of Americans. It is the training ground for our natural aristocracy": given what a dog's breakfast your natural aristocracy has been making of public affairs, maybe you should experiment with replacing them by Asians.

    "endorsement of defacto race quotas to prevent an ‘Asian takeover’ of the USA’s elite academia": and that goes in spades for your academia, elite or otherwise.

    The US has, right now, an elite which was chosen via the IQ meritocracy instituted by the old SAT. And our elite absolutely sucks. Whatever we do going forward, IQ meritocracy should be no part of it.

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    I don't know about "No part."

    Would a random selection from the phone book (if those still exist) be better?
    , @Anonymous
    Wrong, the elite we have now was chosen via ethnic nepotism.
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  30. @dearieme
    "Mother Nature stood in the way when the Greeks laid down the foundations for science, mathematics, philosophy ...

    Mother Nature stood in the way when the Industrial Revolution took off in England."

    Mother Nature seemed to ensure that Europeans were largely devoid of intellectual sizzle between, roughly, Ancient Greece and 17th-18th-19th century England. Funny that.

    There was a lot going on during the Middle Ages. Plus, Europe had to deal with the Muslims. But this did give China and Japan time to invent something. They didn’t.

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    Wow..The entire body of scientific works and discoveries, the medicine in the Orient is lost on you. Before the industrial rev, there wasn't much the west did as far as science is concerned. And this is even before Muslims were a force to be reckoned with
    , @athEIst
    The Chinese invented paper! In ~100 CE. Kept the paper-making process secret for a 1000yrs! Paper arrived(not invented) in Europe ~1200.
    , @Rdm
    Dude,

    English and French fought war. This gave Spain and Portugal to invent something. But they didn't. They colonized the Latin America.

    Germany and Italy had to deal with Ally. This gave Netherlands and Belgium to invent something. But they didn't.

    Before industrial revolution, a lot of discoveries and inventions are basically Philosophy where you don't need a physical labor. After that, everything changed. Money talks.

    You can't sit your ass all day long, preaching some mumbo-jumbo and become another Confucius or Sun Tzu or Mencius these days. You need to prove your worth by some physical and intellectual labor these days.
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  31. Truth says:
    @attilathehen
    "W e can’t make whites as smart as East Asians; Mother Nature’s standing in the way." Derbyshire is the gift that gives on giving. So, what he did was marry a Chinese woman and got 2 average, troubled Chinese offspring. Mother Nature played a joke on him.

    Mother Nature stood in the way when the Greeks laid down the foundations for science, mathematics, philosophy - the systems needed for conquering and mastering and understanding the world. I guess Mother Nature was peeved at the Chinese and Japanese and decided to give the Europeans an upper hand.

    Mother Nature stood in the way when the Industrial Revolution took off in England. Mother Nature was again peeved at the Chinese. For example, before the Chinese Exclusion Act of the USA, the Chinese were working with whites on the railroads. When they were expelled, did they go back and turn China into an industrial power with the knowledge they gained in the West? No.

    Mother Nature stood in the way of Japan becoming an industrialized country. She let the shogunate close off Japan. Mother Nature again gave her European offspring the upper hand by allowing Capt. Matthew Perry to overthrow the shogunate and force Japan to modernize.

    Today, everyone praises the talent of classical Asian musicians. But what kind of music are they playing? Classical Asian music? No. Dead white male music.

    Derbyshire you really out did yourself with the above comment. I'll let you respond. Tell us what Asian science, philsophy, music changed and conquered the world?

    LOL:

    I set the over/under at 10 responses before you came with the Mossberg, babe, I was way under!

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  32. The hell with Asians. Most of them are proggy cuz they’re yellow dogs. They uncritically swallow the official ideology without any reflection or contemplation. Cultural Revolution happened in China. Japanese were fanatics during WWII. Koreans are wanna-be imitators. higher IQ was wasted on the wrong people, a dog race that follows and obeys but hasn’t the will to think and lead.

    Since PC rules the US, these yellow dog Asians tend to turn proggy. And even ones that aren’t proggy will turn proggy once they go through 4 yrs of Ivy League indoctrination and associations. Being status-obsessed, yellows will go with ANY ideology that bestows higher status and prestige.

    Look at most proggy Asians and they call for Diversity and etc.

    And they are so earnest-naive-stupid. At least Jews do it to boost their own power. Jews are ruling elites who want diversity for divide-and-rule in gentile nations. But Jews never push for non-Jewish diversity in Israel. So, Jews control and toy with PC for their own benefit.

    In contrast. yellow dogs swallow wholehog the supposed wonders of PC. They gain success in the West not to dominate but to serve the dominant power… which happens to be Jewish and Homo. And since they swallow it wholehog, they try to import the same crap back to their own Asian nations. All those yellows in Canada and US are sending all the PC crap back home. Why is Taiwan going for ‘gay marriage’ now?

    Paradoxically, as yellows gain more elite ranks in the West, they do more harm to their own kind. Yellows seek status to serve the Great Power that is Jewish-Homo-Americanus. And since Jewish-Homo-American globalism is anti-gentile-nationalism, these privileged yellows in high positions eventually work AGAINST their own kind.
    It’s like, when a Negro was elevated from Field Negro to House Negro, it made prospects of black power and liberation even dimmer. Why? The House Negro didn’t enter the master’s house to take over. No, he entered to serve the massuh oppress the Negroes even better. These yellows enter into Ivy Leagues to be servants than masters. Look at spread of homo crap in Japan, Korea, Taiwan, and even Vietnam!

    Whites must oppose yellows as both servants and masters. There is no reason for white nations to be ruled by non-white masters of any kind. Also, when yellows become servants, they are NOT serving white gentiles but Jewish-Homo Globalism. Since the West is ruled by Jews and Homos, white people are the subject people, a colonized people. Since yellows love to serve the Master, they end up serving Jews and Homos to destroy white gentiles. But since the Jewish-Homo agenda is to weaken all gentile nations, these yellows will, in time, even serve Jews and Homos in the PC-ization of Asia. Taiwan is harbinger of things to come. It is now just a yellow Canada, a cultural Puerto Rico of the Homo West.

    Yellows will never gain dominance in the West, but they are dangerous because they are such diligent and earnest servants of the Power. They will fail to gain dominance because the minute yellows come to the West, yellow women lose all respect for dorkus yellow men like the one in FARGO. So, even as they pass exams, they fail in making life, and this failure now has extended to yellow nations themselves. Also, as alpha Asians will mix with whites, the remaining Asians will become even more passive and dorky. Pure genetics. More able and adventurous Asians mix with other races. So, those Asians who stick together will be dorkier and dorkier… like the Amish whose genetics are being weeded out of the adventurous and individualistic types.
    So, yellows are not dangerous like Jews who’ve had a powerful sense of identity even without a nation for 1000s of yrs. In contrast, Asians lose their identity the minute they leave their homelands and want to be accepted by the Greater Power, which currently happens to be Jewish-Homo Globalism with Negroes as icons.
    Still, yellows will make a difference because they will be such committed servants of PC. Look how all these Asian lawyers and judges have been working for Jews and Homos to block Trump and white American interests. Yellow dogs must go.

    Now, the hindus… that’s another story. They tend to stick together more. There is less outmarriage, so their identity will remain more intact.
    Also, Hinduism has a sense of truth beyond the temporal, and this gives them a power akin to that of Jews.
    East Asians, steeped in Confucian history, has no sense of power or truth beyond the political or social. So, whatever happens to the biggest man-made power is the ultimate authority for East Asians. So, if PC is the highest man-made authority in the West, East Asians go for it 100%. It’s no wonder why so many Chinese swallowed Maoism 100%.

    In contrast, even as the People of Dot pretend to play along with PC, their cultural habit is to hold(and hide) a sense of truth much deeper and higher than the come-and-go constructions of man.
    Jews had this sense too. Even when surrounded by much greater gentile powers and empires, their sense of the Covenant made them feel special and unique on the basis of the connection with one and only God. That sense meant more than all the empires around the world.

    Hindus have a similar ‘ethno-spiritual’ worldview, which is why they are more adept at the chess game of power. They know how to play all pieces whereas East Asians are used to playing the subordinate pieces in serving whatever happens to the top man-made power.

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    Hindus have a similar ‘ethno-spiritual’ worldview, which is why they are more adept at the chess game of power. They know how to play all pieces whereas East Asians are used to playing the subordinate pieces in serving whatever happens to the top man-made power.
     
    This is true in the West, Indians are much more like the Jews than East Asians due to their tribalism and loquaciousness. While East Asians tend to pursue the technical fields, Indians are increasingly pursuing professions that are dominated by the Jews such as law, investment banking, politics, journalism, civil service. However in ethnically mixed countries in Asia like Malaysia and Singapore, the Chinese who are much more entrepreneurial tend to be the business owners while the Indians either work for the Chinese, or are in criminal gangs and rob them blind.

    As far as East Asians drinking the Kool-aid by the buckets, I find that curious as well, since the Chinese in Asia are known for their pragmatism. But the biggest and most vocal progressive tards in the US (after the Jews and the blacks) are the Indians, from Sundra Pichai in Silicon Valley to Kshama Sawant, Pramila Jayapal, Kamala Harris in politics, to Aziz Ansari, Hasan Minaj, Kumail Nanjani in entertainment, all are left wing nuts and zealous anti-Trumpers. The current US ambassador to the UN Nikki Haley is such a staunch Zionist you almost wonder if she's sleeping with Natanyahu.

    Neither the Chinese nor the Indians can be trusted. In that regard they are like the Jews. They all lack that integrity chip that governs most protestant whites. I wouldn't say it's because of Christianity. Most Catholics and blacks (who are mostly protestant) are equally untrustworthy.

    , @silviosilver

    Now, the hindus… that’s another story. They tend to stick together more. There is less outmarriage, so their identity will remain more intact.
     
    My impression is they only stick to their little hindoo subgroups. With well over a billion of the blackassed basatards on the planet, these subgroups can be quite sizable, which can give a false impression of hindoo unity. Or at least of hindoo unity on a day-to-day level. Maybe they unite around the big issues - eg presenting a united front against whitey - but this disguises the million complexes their various hindoo identities suffer and which causes them to eye hindoo outgroups cautiously.
    , @HogHappenin
    I've said it earlier in my other comments and I'll repeat it here. It is the Hindus who are probably the biggest competition to the Jews in their power structure in the US in the LONG RUN. They will play along the PC as long as it suits them and then after having taken a toe hold in almost all power wielding professions, they will inadvertently be placed in competition with the zios. Of course it'll be more complicated in India which will try to play along with the zio empire and Russia but somewhere it'll have to choose a side as the war intensifies and then it'll get interesting. I think by that time, quite a bit of power in the US would be with Zionist dot people (think Nikki Haley, an ardent Zionist). So I think the people who run the circus in the US know that this is coming and perhaps that is why they are letting the lower rung of Jews get displaced to be taken over by the dots.
    , @Bach

    At least Jews do it to boost their own power. Jews are ruling elites who want diversity for divide-and-rule in gentile nations. But Jews never push for non-Jewish diversity in Israel. So, Jews control and toy with PC for their own benefit.
     
    It seems you're encouraging other minorities to act more like Jews.

    You know, as long as whites like you continue to admire and give Jews a pass, they will continue to do what they do in Western societies.

    Good luck serving your masters. You have no one to blame but yourselves.
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  33. Truth says:

    We can’t fix the schools to produce equal racial outcomes. God knows, we’ve been trying for decades, with essentially zero results. W e can’t make whites as smart as East Asians; Mother Nature’s standing in the way.

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  34. Truth says:
    @Discard
    There is no reason to suppose that Orientals are smarter than Whites. That the average Chinese in America may be smarter than the average White indicates only that the Chinese that come here are smarter than average. They don't get on the jet straight from the rice paddies, you know. China can spare a few of their many, many millions of midwit drudges in order to dominate the professional class in America, with a good leavening of spies as well.

    There is no reason to suppose that Orientals are smarter than Whites.

    None whatsoever. Except the same studies that indicated that whites are smarter than blacks. That’s it.

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  35. Truth says:
    @Yan Shen
    Well I've said this before and I'll say it again. You seem to have an extraordinarily strange obsession with other people's personal lives. Live your own life and be happy, eh? Associate with whoever you want, and grant others that same basic right.

    Well Yan, I mean the Derb has an strange obsession with other people’s personal lives. That’s why he’s achieving his PhD in Blackpeopleology.

    Attilathehen is just peer reviewing his research.

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  36. Truth says:
    @Yan Shen

    I do know, though, that if we adopt Derbian Minimalism as our immigration policy with 1) no further settlement of foreigners from anywhere and 2) severe restrictions on numbers of foreign students, we might at least stabilize the situation.
     
    As a traditional nationalist, I'm generally in favor of America smartly evaluating its immigration policies. I don't know if I could go as far as Derbian Minimalism. For starters, that would've eliminated someone like John Derbyshire coming over to the US from the UK. I think more generally speaking we should reduce legal immigration, make sure colleges don't favor foreign students over domestic ones, and adopt a sane immigration policy based mostly on merit. So while the Derb and I might not quite agree on the extent to which we should curtail immigration, I think we're mostly on the same page and want to move in the same direction.

    Where I'm less convinced is that curtailing immigration will somehow make everything all perfect once again. Given today's increasingly global society, countries are competitively affected even by other nations far away. As the hysteria of Japan bashing during the late 1980s and early 1990s in America showed, bad feelings can arise even when the offending people live thousands of miles away from you.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1991/06/16/europes-new-rage-japan-bashing/0b9b1f7b-e578-4aae-926b-e2bdd6809f68/?utm_term=.591409152e30


    A new wave of anti-Japanese sentiment is spreading across Europe as public admiration for Japan's remarkable postwar recovery is rapidly turning to fear that its economic juggernaut will soon smash key industries, conquer the unifying European market and transform the continent into an industrial colony.

    Books and newspapers are jammed with references to the "Japanese peril." The Japanese "salaryman's" arduous office hours, skimpy vacations and fanatical work ethic are scorned in France and Germany as anathema to an enlightened lifestyle, yet considered a warning of what the future might bring if Japanese firms succeed in dominating the European economy.
     

    Competition with China or Japan certainly isn't going to disappear just because there are fewer Chinese or Japanese living in the United States!

    I don’t know if I could go as far as Derbian Minimalism. For starters, that would’ve eliminated someone like John Derbyshire coming over to the US from the UK.

    Dude, I literally had 12 snarky comments come into my head at the same time when I read that. It was like rush hour in Times Square, but this statement really is better as a freestanding monument, without a tour guide.

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  37. Mr. Derbyshire may be the only race realist among the Race Realists. Given the huge gap between Asians and whites in STEM performance, affirmative action for whites–which is what quotas for Asians are–is the only way to keep the inferiority from becoming too obvious and leading to trouble.

    CalTech, with exceedingly high entrance requirements and no affirmative action, is indeed an indicator. The state is 15 percent Asian, about 40 percent white, but CalTech is 43 percent Asian. It is and 29 percent white though the state is roughly 40 percent white. The school is only 12 percent Hispanic (these are drawn from only those who speak English and have a high -school education) and one percent black. Take from the white figures an unknown proportion of Jews, and Eurowhites look dismal.

    Favoring less able whites over Asians will have the same effect on academic standards as favoring blacks over whites.
    America does not have enough Jews and Asians to balance the roughly one billion Han Chinese whom Beijing increasingly can deploy in technical fields. Three times as many barins, superior in any event, backed by intelligent government. We are, methinks, seeing the birth of the world’s last and genetically empire.

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    CalTech, with exceedingly high entrance requirements and no affirmative action, is indeed an indicator.

    It's a private institution with 2,000 students.
    , @Thomm

    America does not have enough Jews and Asians to balance the roughly one billion Han Chinese whom Beijing increasingly can deploy in technical fields.
     
    That is why immigration of Indians (from India) is crucial. India is still a poor country with many basic problems, but for whatever reason, Indians are THE most successful ethnic group in the US, bar none. The Indians who come to the US are not exclusively some Top-1% tier either (more like Top 20%).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income

    This serves to counter the PRC juggernaut that you mention.
    , @Jim Christian

    We are, methinks, seeing the birth of the world’s last and genetically empire.
     
    Add to that, these are folks that don't exactly cotton to illegal immigration onto their property. And so they won't ever dilute.
    , @Truth
    All right, all in favor of affirmative-action for, well, mentally-challenged, caucazoids who can, none the less, play sports and sing and dance, say "Aye."
    , @Priss Factor
    Asians are good at getting into schools due to 'culture crash(course)', but grinds are just more diligent, not smarter.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFjOo00w-H8

    When Jews entered academia in big numbers, they had a major impact on culture and ideas, for good or ill.
    These Asians, in contrast, just parrot the official line set by others.

    Asians rising in ranks is bad for everyone.

    It's bad for Asian community(and nations) since the western-educated Asian elites will not lead or serve Asians but just join the globo-PC privilege class and do the bidding of the Empire as its servitors. Look at Francis Fukuyama. Total servitor of Soros. Look at Amy Chua who raises her kids as Jewish. Ellen Pao married a homogro, and John Yoo defended torture. These are just as bad as white cucks.

    It's also bad for whites since unimaginative and slavish Asian grinds focus on exams to take slots in academia while white gentiles are discriminated most in colleges that their ancestors built. It wouldn't be so bad if Asians served historical America but they don't. Since Asians are servile yellow dogs, they will serve the highest temporal power, and that happens to be Sorosian globo-homo-PC.
    , @lao gu
    China will never become the serious competitor to US, as long as the community party is in the power.
    You will know if you go to corrupted state-owned enterprises and the party controlled academic institutions. The party have depressed the creative of Chinese people and reduce IQ of his nation by indoctrinating youth with ideology of Marxism(the only ideological youth could gets), and punishing free thinking.
    there is another story when the barrier is moved.
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  38. Art Deco says:
    @Frederick V. Reed
    Mr. Derbyshire may be the only race realist among the Race Realists. Given the huge gap between Asians and whites in STEM performance, affirmative action for whites--which is what quotas for Asians are--is the only way to keep the inferiority from becoming too obvious and leading to trouble.

    CalTech, with exceedingly high entrance requirements and no affirmative action, is indeed an indicator. The state is 15 percent Asian, about 40 percent white, but CalTech is 43 percent Asian. It is and 29 percent white though the state is roughly 40 percent white. The school is only 12 percent Hispanic (these are drawn from only those who speak English and have a high -school education) and one percent black. Take from the white figures an unknown proportion of Jews, and Eurowhites look dismal.

    Favoring less able whites over Asians will have the same effect on academic standards as favoring blacks over whites.
    America does not have enough Jews and Asians to balance the roughly one billion Han Chinese whom Beijing increasingly can deploy in technical fields. Three times as many barins, superior in any event, backed by intelligent government. We are, methinks, seeing the birth of the world’s last and genetically empire.

    CalTech, with exceedingly high entrance requirements and no affirmative action, is indeed an indicator.

    It’s a private institution with 2,000 students.

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  39. Thomm says:
    @Frederick V. Reed
    Mr. Derbyshire may be the only race realist among the Race Realists. Given the huge gap between Asians and whites in STEM performance, affirmative action for whites--which is what quotas for Asians are--is the only way to keep the inferiority from becoming too obvious and leading to trouble.

    CalTech, with exceedingly high entrance requirements and no affirmative action, is indeed an indicator. The state is 15 percent Asian, about 40 percent white, but CalTech is 43 percent Asian. It is and 29 percent white though the state is roughly 40 percent white. The school is only 12 percent Hispanic (these are drawn from only those who speak English and have a high -school education) and one percent black. Take from the white figures an unknown proportion of Jews, and Eurowhites look dismal.

    Favoring less able whites over Asians will have the same effect on academic standards as favoring blacks over whites.
    America does not have enough Jews and Asians to balance the roughly one billion Han Chinese whom Beijing increasingly can deploy in technical fields. Three times as many barins, superior in any event, backed by intelligent government. We are, methinks, seeing the birth of the world’s last and genetically empire.

    America does not have enough Jews and Asians to balance the roughly one billion Han Chinese whom Beijing increasingly can deploy in technical fields.

    That is why immigration of Indians (from India) is crucial. India is still a poor country with many basic problems, but for whatever reason, Indians are THE most successful ethnic group in the US, bar none. The Indians who come to the US are not exclusively some Top-1% tier either (more like Top 20%).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income

    This serves to counter the PRC juggernaut that you mention.

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    Lol. Thomm is an Indian Hindu national and Hindus are the last thing this country needs.

    And being the most successful is a dubious claim since a lot of Indians have made it to the top by scamming and practicing nepotism. Why would we want more Indians when India is such a mess.

    Indians are the world's most rapiest people and letting in more Indians will just mean they will want to bring even more Indians in. No thanks.

    Ps. India has an iq of 82. Having more quickie marts isn't going to help America.
    , @Semper Fidelis
    Thomm the Indian nationalist advocating for an Indian takeover of the US every chance he gets. Make India Great Again!

    If Indians are so smart and so capable why is India the sewer pit of humanity? Go fix your own fucked up third world hell hole first before you conquered someone else's through mass immigration fraud. Silicon Valley was great before all you Indian fraudsters arrived and it will be great again when you are all gone.

    , @silviosilver
    Get real dude, I would have rather Chinese than Indians any day. At least the Chinese don't mind keeping to themselves. I have found that even if an area is massively Chinese - like say 75% - it's still quite easy to find places - restaurants, clubs, bars - that are pretty much completely free of Chinese people. So their presence in an area doesn't bother me as much as it otherwise would. (Of course, if I could press a button and make them all vanish, I'd do it in a heartbeat.)

    Indians on the other hand tend to infiltrate white settings to a much more disturbing degree. Unlike the Chinese, they can't seem to take the hint that they're not wanted. Even though they're racially more similar to whites than Chinese are, they take way more offense at being rejected by white people. It's bizarre how apeshit they go when they detect that whites don't want them around. It's like, what did you expect dude, I'm not gonna notice what a hindoo you are?

    And I haven't even begun to talk about the myriad psychological complexes that stalk the Indian psyche. The Chinese seem blissfully free of these complexes. The fact that Chinese civilization has actual accomplishments under its built is probably a big part of this. Hindoos on the other hand can really only look around and wonder why they are so wretched and pathetic. (Blacks haven't accomplished jack either, but they accept their lot more cheerfully than hindoos.) That's why they cling to their ancient "philosophical" texts so tenaciously, because at least those occasionally have some interesting things to say, which people of other cultures can actually appreciate without pretending. (They were probably penned by authors considerably more racially Aryan than anything one would have found in India over the last thousand or so years, of course.) And I wouldn't ordinarily say this, but I find hindoo demographic triumphalism so irritating I will say it - it really can't be much joy looking in the mirror as a hindoo.
    , @jbwilson24
    "That is why immigration of Indians (from India) is crucial. India is still a poor country with many basic problems, but for whatever reason, Indians are THE most successful ethnic group in the US, bar none."

    Good lord no.

    I don't see any reason to believe that they are more successful than Ashkenazi jews. Usually those arguments rest on income, but truly rich people have trusts and corporations.

    I'd love for governments to release stats on medical insurance fraud (etc) by ethnicity. You'll see Indians exponentially over-represented compared to other groups. They are a blight on societies that developed alongside norms of trust and fairness. Indians don't give a crap about fairness or honesty. Their attitude is that cheating is okay, and if the system allows it, it is the system's fault.

    Plus they have irresponsible reproductive rates and their women are butt ugly.
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  40. I can guarantee that Asian American citizen female applicants to Harvard with an SAT score >=2300 have a higher rate of admission than corresponding white male applicants. Same at all other comparable elite US universities.

    It might be by an order of magnitude, or more, something like 20 times.

    Whatever anyone else says or cares about “racial discrimination” the above is the only thing any sane person would care about on this Asians vs whites discrimination issue (of course blacks and Hispanics are massively favored)

    Of course the gender discrimination at all elite US universities is so overwhelming and obvious that someone has to be insane to deny it, even say MIT has outright published their admit rate for females is twice as high as males, but that’s not the point. Stupid racists, not necessarily excluding Asian racists filing lawsuits, are so stupid they don’t even understand the difference between gender discrimination and racial discrimination, nor the related factors like Simpson’s paradox that play into what we see in the real world. You’ve also got stupid racists failing to grasp many other simple facts, like that the high school student population of California is not the same as the rest of the country in percentage Asian, but ignoring all that for now.

    FAPP everybody (even the Asian students at the elite schools, mostly) actually wants there to be a 50/50 gender split, regardless of the consequences.

    What the universities are again deathly afraid of becoming public knowledge is their actual behavior regarding other factors that are salient even among whites only. A white male student with a 2300 SAT score will not be admitted to Harvard, in favor of an athlete or Jared Kushner (someone whose family/political connections/monetary bribery gets them admitted) with an SAT score hundreds of points lower.

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  41. @Art Deco
    out steal the industrial secrets they needed from us? This isn’t a personal matter, except you certainly took it that way. A

    His regarding it as a personal matter might have something to do with 'atilla' lobbing insults at the moderator for having married a Chinese woman and having demi-Oriental children.

    married a Chinese woman and having demi-Oriental children.

    Hey, it’s the only way I would have gone with a second marriage. A White feminist is no kind of woman to wife up, I discovered to my dismay. The feminist ethic is a wretched, destructive beast..

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    Wait a minute, Jimbrowski I'm having trouble understanding here, are you standing with The Derb, or against him?
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  42. @Jim Christian
    Attila asked a question. What do or did Japan or China ever invent, or do anything that was new other than copy and of course, re-engineer in its own name? Oh, and out-and-out steal the industrial secrets they needed from us?

    This isn't a personal matter, except you certainly took it that way. And you and the Derbs say?

    What do or did Japan or China ever invent, or do anything that was new other than copy and of course, re-engineer in its own name? Oh, and out-and-out steal the industrial secrets they needed from us?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/03/opinion/lost-einsteins-innovation-inequality.html

    Scroll Down to “Patents per 1,000 children, by race and 3rd-grade math performance”

    Asian 8.2 per 1000
    White 3.6 per 1000
    Black 1.0 per 1000
    Hispanic 0.6 per 1000

    This is the US only.

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    Yeah, this was from an article written by the dark skinned East Indian Raj Chetty. First, he needs to go back to India where the average IQ is 82 and get them going on patents.

    Second, I worked in patent law and most of our lawsuits were against Asians stealing American technology.

    Third, the few patents Asians produce are very low quality. They are mostly minor changes to an existing item from a patent.

    The West is best.
    , @Anonymous

    Scroll Down to “Patents per 1,000 children, by race and 3rd-grade math performance”

    Asian 8.2 per 1000
    White 3.6 per 1000
    Black 1.0 per 1000
    Hispanic 0.6 per 1000

    This is the US only.
     

    Many patents today are filed by the tech industry. If you work in tech you would know how ridiculous many of these patents are. Even the minutest design update can be filed for a patent, like a new menu feature or a new type of scrollbar. The companies encourage their staff to file lots of patents because it makes them look more innovative, it's gotten out of hand. Who invented all the big stuff - the internet itself, planes, trains, automobiles, the air conditioner, refrigerator, computer, printer, toilet, sink, modern plumbing, cable TV, iPod, iPhone, iPad, modern roads, gas stations, skyscrapers -- not the Asians!
    , @jbwilson24
    Not a good metric. Half of patents are overturned upon their first hearing in an actual court of law.

    The US patent system is so bad that you can basically patent your grandmother. There are a few famous cases of obviously impossible 'inventions' which still received patents, including a compression algorithm that was guaranteed to compress any input string without loss by at least 1 bit each time. Any fool could see that this is impossible.

    The greater number of patent applications by asians is also underdetermined by the theory that they have greater incentive in submitting patent applications. Whites, it must be said, are hopeless noncompetitive in terms of ambition these days. (non-jewish whites i mean)
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  43. @Frederick V. Reed
    Mr. Derbyshire may be the only race realist among the Race Realists. Given the huge gap between Asians and whites in STEM performance, affirmative action for whites--which is what quotas for Asians are--is the only way to keep the inferiority from becoming too obvious and leading to trouble.

    CalTech, with exceedingly high entrance requirements and no affirmative action, is indeed an indicator. The state is 15 percent Asian, about 40 percent white, but CalTech is 43 percent Asian. It is and 29 percent white though the state is roughly 40 percent white. The school is only 12 percent Hispanic (these are drawn from only those who speak English and have a high -school education) and one percent black. Take from the white figures an unknown proportion of Jews, and Eurowhites look dismal.

    Favoring less able whites over Asians will have the same effect on academic standards as favoring blacks over whites.
    America does not have enough Jews and Asians to balance the roughly one billion Han Chinese whom Beijing increasingly can deploy in technical fields. Three times as many barins, superior in any event, backed by intelligent government. We are, methinks, seeing the birth of the world’s last and genetically empire.

    We are, methinks, seeing the birth of the world’s last and genetically empire.

    Add to that, these are folks that don’t exactly cotton to illegal immigration onto their property. And so they won’t ever dilute.

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  44. I don’t know why the DOJ even bothers with this. Per the NYT 76% of Asians voted for Obama in 2012. Probably even more voted for Hillary in 2016. The same liberals who they so love are the ones who discriminate against them the most, they got what they deserved!

    From SV execs to elected officials, journalists, civil servants, lawyers, Asians are some of the most vocal anti-Trumpers, especially Indian Americans who are increasingly following in the footsteps of Jews in SV, Wall Street, journalism, law, civil service, politics, and every bit as tribal as the Jews. Meanwhile, the two idiot judges in HI and MD who tried to block Trump’s travel bans are both Harvard law school educated Asian Americans. Ted Lieu the dumb Dem from CA went to Stanford.

    We need fewer Asians to get brainwashed at these liberal indoctrination centers, not more. Let the Ivies continue to discriminate against them, while we strongly curtail Asian immigration. We’ll all be better off.

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  45. Hibernian says:
    @Art Deco
    That’s well-rounded in the sense of teaching lots of socio-twaddle, is it?

    About 1% of all post-secondary teachers are sociologists (15,000 out of 1.5 million in this country), and a great many of these specialize in the use of quantitative methods.

    Socio-twaddle isn’t limited to the discipline, if you can call it that, of sociology.

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    What else did you have in mind?
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  46. @Frank the Prof

    What do or did Japan or China ever invent, or do anything that was new other than copy and of course, re-engineer in its own name? Oh, and out-and-out steal the industrial secrets they needed from us?
     
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/03/opinion/lost-einsteins-innovation-inequality.html

    Scroll Down to "Patents per 1,000 children, by race and 3rd-grade math performance"

    Asian 8.2 per 1000
    White 3.6 per 1000
    Black 1.0 per 1000
    Hispanic 0.6 per 1000

    This is the US only.

    Yeah, this was from an article written by the dark skinned East Indian Raj Chetty. First, he needs to go back to India where the average IQ is 82 and get them going on patents.

    Second, I worked in patent law and most of our lawsuits were against Asians stealing American technology.

    Third, the few patents Asians produce are very low quality. They are mostly minor changes to an existing item from a patent.

    The West is best.

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  47. Clyde says:
    @Truth
    LOL:

    I set the over/under at 10 responses before you came with the Mossberg, babe, I was way under!

    Score forTruth!

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  48. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Thomm

    America does not have enough Jews and Asians to balance the roughly one billion Han Chinese whom Beijing increasingly can deploy in technical fields.
     
    That is why immigration of Indians (from India) is crucial. India is still a poor country with many basic problems, but for whatever reason, Indians are THE most successful ethnic group in the US, bar none. The Indians who come to the US are not exclusively some Top-1% tier either (more like Top 20%).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income

    This serves to counter the PRC juggernaut that you mention.

    Lol. Thomm is an Indian Hindu national and Hindus are the last thing this country needs.

    And being the most successful is a dubious claim since a lot of Indians have made it to the top by scamming and practicing nepotism. Why would we want more Indians when India is such a mess.

    Indians are the world’s most rapiest people and letting in more Indians will just mean they will want to bring even more Indians in. No thanks.

    Ps. India has an iq of 82. Having more quickie marts isn’t going to help America.

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    False. I am a white guy who admires successful immigrants. I would take any type of Asian ahead of WN wiggers like you.

    Get a clue, faggot.
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  49. Truth says:
    @Frederick V. Reed
    Mr. Derbyshire may be the only race realist among the Race Realists. Given the huge gap between Asians and whites in STEM performance, affirmative action for whites--which is what quotas for Asians are--is the only way to keep the inferiority from becoming too obvious and leading to trouble.

    CalTech, with exceedingly high entrance requirements and no affirmative action, is indeed an indicator. The state is 15 percent Asian, about 40 percent white, but CalTech is 43 percent Asian. It is and 29 percent white though the state is roughly 40 percent white. The school is only 12 percent Hispanic (these are drawn from only those who speak English and have a high -school education) and one percent black. Take from the white figures an unknown proportion of Jews, and Eurowhites look dismal.

    Favoring less able whites over Asians will have the same effect on academic standards as favoring blacks over whites.
    America does not have enough Jews and Asians to balance the roughly one billion Han Chinese whom Beijing increasingly can deploy in technical fields. Three times as many barins, superior in any event, backed by intelligent government. We are, methinks, seeing the birth of the world’s last and genetically empire.

    All right, all in favor of affirmative-action for, well, mentally-challenged, caucazoids who can, none the less, play sports and sing and dance, say “Aye.”

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  50. @Yan Shen
    Well I've said this before and I'll say it again. You seem to have an extraordinarily strange obsession with other people's personal lives. Live your own life and be happy, eh? Associate with whoever you want, and grant others that same basic right.

    Yan Shen, maybe you don’t read English to well so let’s take a look at what I wrote. Derbyshire wrote “W e can’t make whites as smart as East Asians; Mother Nature’s standing in the way.” This would be an extremely strange statement from an Englishman. Cecil Rhodes said that any one born English was a lottery winner. So there must another reason why such a man would make such a stupid statement. Voila!!! He’s married to a Chinese woman and has Chinese offspring. Also, as a Caucasian woman, I find such a statement incredibly stupid and offensive. So now we know we’re dealing with a racial degenerate. Also, as a Causcasian, Asians are inferior, second-tier to us. Derbyshire could avoid a lot of these problems. I commented before that when he makes an appearance at an AmRen conference, his wife and offspring could make public statements thanking him for allowing them to live and be born in the West. They would be thankful for the European blood that has improved their evolution. But he and they won’t because Derbyshire really believes his dragon lady is the cause of the offspring’s greatness.

    Here’s another example of why a person’s personal life is important. I read stuff on the alt-right and there’s been some controversy over a couple of women – Lauren Southern and Tara McCarthy. It turns that (((Lauren Southern))) is Jewish and dates black men. There is nothing Jewish or black about the alt right. (((Southern))) has been milking white beta males through her fund raising accounts but spends her time with black guys. Tara McCarthy is busy hanging out with homos. Homosexuals have destroyed the RCC, the Boy Scouts, so many things. Homos are not a part of the alt-right. Also, she had a grandmother was was Jewish and East Indian. She is not Jewish and is Caucasian so she’s ok. It’s her homo stuff that’s the problem. I follow Radio Aryan but some of those people are hooked on a racial purity that doesn’t exist. Also, Hitler was most likely part Jewish, something they refuse to acknowledge. Plus they like China and Shia Muslims so that’s another problem.

    Derbyshire’s offspring could assimilate but today with international travel it is very easy for them to hook up with Asians. But, if they marry Asians they cannot be a part of the West. Fortunately, we’re dealing with small numbers so we can nip this problem in the bud.

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    Cecil Rhodes said that any one born English was a lottery winner.
     
    Cecil Rhodes evidently has never tasted good food or lived in a decent climate, and at the same time had a penchant for high taxes, crumbling expensive empires, and a security complex to watch his every move.
    Did I mention the fat ugly women?
    , @Rdm
    With ugly face, crooked teeth, it would be definitely a lottery winning genetics for sure.
    , @Yan Shen
    No my English skills are actually fairly good relative to that of the average white American. Having actually read through your comment, I can only say one thing. Get some help! I think Derb was being generous when he referred to you as a mental defective. (I assume moderator edits to comments for a particular author are made by that author. If not, was Unz the one who wrote that? :))
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  51. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Good for the Derb to be honest about affirmative action and how it is useful to keep Asians from taking over the country.

    But no sympathy for whites until they leave the rest of the world alone. Whites rule the economy of Mexico and indeed much of the world. Imagine the reaction if Mexico put quotas on white people controlling their economy. Whites would probably topple the government.

    So until whites learn to leave others the fuck alone, I have no problem seeing other races stake their claim to America.

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  52. Truth says:
    @Art Deco
    out steal the industrial secrets they needed from us? This isn’t a personal matter, except you certainly took it that way. A

    His regarding it as a personal matter might have something to do with 'atilla' lobbing insults at the moderator for having married a Chinese woman and having demi-Oriental children.

    His regarding it as a personal matter might have something to do with ‘atilla’ lobbing insults at the moderator for having married a Chinese woman and having demi-Oriental children.

    Well DUH-uh-UH!

    The pupose of this website is to defend traditional white values and ways of life, isn’t it?

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    The pupose of this website is to defend traditional white values and ways of life, isn’t it?

    No, the purpose is to find a collection of conceited cranks and provide them a forum to display whatever confusions are between their ears.
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  53. Truth says:
    @Jim Christian

    married a Chinese woman and having demi-Oriental children.
     
    Hey, it's the only way I would have gone with a second marriage. A White feminist is no kind of woman to wife up, I discovered to my dismay. The feminist ethic is a wretched, destructive beast..

    Wait a minute, Jimbrowski I’m having trouble understanding here, are you standing with The Derb, or against him?

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    If the "Derb" said you had a beautiful body would you hold it against him?
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  54. @Acilius
    Well, if for heritable reasons the average East Asian is smarter and more conscientious than the average European, doesn't that imply that keeping the USA competitive internationally requires large-scale immigration from East Asia, even if that results in the rise of an overclass that we poor dumb honkies are unable to join? Otherwise we might stay on top of the American heap, but without the most effective human capital it will eventually be a Third-World heap.

    You left something out.

    When tallying up extreme intelligence, what’s being compared is the area under the far right hand of the bell curve. While it may be true that both Chinese (and I don’t believe this because China is loaded with peasants who probably are under counted) and Jewish intelligence is higher at the extreme, there are so many whites in America that, when the plots are compared, the area under the white curve is much greater than that of both Chinese and Jews.

    That’s holds true today. Were the USA today to allow massive Chinese immigration then the relative areas would change and indeed, Chinese people would dominate at the top. Hence, we must limit immigration.

    Dominance by the Jews on the other hand, we can do nothing about since they were chosen by God himself to lead humanity out of the dark ages.

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  55. can you guys imagine the uproar if every university admits students like caltech?

    asians would probably become the most hated group in the usa overnight.

    but if other universities doesn’t change their admittance rules to caltech standards, fred would be 100% right as we will not be able to compete.

    lets hope we build an AI first, welcome our new AI overlord.

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  56. This whole “diversity” push by college admissions is a total joke. The only kind of “diversity” they are interested in is that of skin color. They could care less about diversity of thoughts. In fact, they go out of their way to admit kids who think exactly alike — the way they want them to think, proper libtard SJWs. If you worked on the Bernie Sanders campaign, be sure to trump that up on your application and you’re in. If you worked on the Trump campaign, better shut up about it on your app or you’re toast. In other words, these elite schools want kids who only look different, but think exactly alike. That’s why our elite schools have turned into total echo chambers. No difference of views permitted.

    And then they claim they teach our kids how to think. What a laugh. More like what to think.

    Fuck the Traitorous Eight. We need a future where the smartest kids come from state universities, or are completely self-taught, not from these elitist pompous socialist indoctrination centers obsessed with their own self-importance.

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  57. @Thomm

    America does not have enough Jews and Asians to balance the roughly one billion Han Chinese whom Beijing increasingly can deploy in technical fields.
     
    That is why immigration of Indians (from India) is crucial. India is still a poor country with many basic problems, but for whatever reason, Indians are THE most successful ethnic group in the US, bar none. The Indians who come to the US are not exclusively some Top-1% tier either (more like Top 20%).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income

    This serves to counter the PRC juggernaut that you mention.

    Thomm the Indian nationalist advocating for an Indian takeover of the US every chance he gets. Make India Great Again!

    If Indians are so smart and so capable why is India the sewer pit of humanity? Go fix your own fucked up third world hell hole first before you conquered someone else’s through mass immigration fraud. Silicon Valley was great before all you Indian fraudsters arrived and it will be great again when you are all gone.

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    Yeah I think Thommmm told me in another thread that Poles weren't considered white in the United States before 1965. Neither were the Irish, he said. Indians sure are cocky aren't they. They know so much about this country's history. If only they knew how to run a motel that doesn't stink and have bedbugs.
    , @Biff
    Don’t blame the Indians - not there idea.
    Know your deciders
    , @Thomm
    Hey, faggot. Indians are the most successful ethnic group in the US, bar none :

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income

    That is inconsistent with your narrative of a low IQ. Then again, WN wiggers don't know how to read data, so the link I posted is incomprehensible to you.

    But I will settle for expanded Chinese immigration and zero Indians, just because both are equally effective in humiliating the WN wiggers who can't compete.

    Remember, successful whites and even working class whites have no problem with skilled, legal Asian immigration. Only WN faggots do.

    Heh heh heh heh
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  58. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Priss Factor
    The hell with Asians. Most of them are proggy cuz they're yellow dogs. They uncritically swallow the official ideology without any reflection or contemplation. Cultural Revolution happened in China. Japanese were fanatics during WWII. Koreans are wanna-be imitators. higher IQ was wasted on the wrong people, a dog race that follows and obeys but hasn't the will to think and lead.

    Since PC rules the US, these yellow dog Asians tend to turn proggy. And even ones that aren't proggy will turn proggy once they go through 4 yrs of Ivy League indoctrination and associations. Being status-obsessed, yellows will go with ANY ideology that bestows higher status and prestige.

    Look at most proggy Asians and they call for Diversity and etc.

    And they are so earnest-naive-stupid. At least Jews do it to boost their own power. Jews are ruling elites who want diversity for divide-and-rule in gentile nations. But Jews never push for non-Jewish diversity in Israel. So, Jews control and toy with PC for their own benefit.

    In contrast. yellow dogs swallow wholehog the supposed wonders of PC. They gain success in the West not to dominate but to serve the dominant power... which happens to be Jewish and Homo. And since they swallow it wholehog, they try to import the same crap back to their own Asian nations. All those yellows in Canada and US are sending all the PC crap back home. Why is Taiwan going for 'gay marriage' now?

    Paradoxically, as yellows gain more elite ranks in the West, they do more harm to their own kind. Yellows seek status to serve the Great Power that is Jewish-Homo-Americanus. And since Jewish-Homo-American globalism is anti-gentile-nationalism, these privileged yellows in high positions eventually work AGAINST their own kind.
    It's like, when a Negro was elevated from Field Negro to House Negro, it made prospects of black power and liberation even dimmer. Why? The House Negro didn't enter the master's house to take over. No, he entered to serve the massuh oppress the Negroes even better. These yellows enter into Ivy Leagues to be servants than masters. Look at spread of homo crap in Japan, Korea, Taiwan, and even Vietnam!

    Whites must oppose yellows as both servants and masters. There is no reason for white nations to be ruled by non-white masters of any kind. Also, when yellows become servants, they are NOT serving white gentiles but Jewish-Homo Globalism. Since the West is ruled by Jews and Homos, white people are the subject people, a colonized people. Since yellows love to serve the Master, they end up serving Jews and Homos to destroy white gentiles. But since the Jewish-Homo agenda is to weaken all gentile nations, these yellows will, in time, even serve Jews and Homos in the PC-ization of Asia. Taiwan is harbinger of things to come. It is now just a yellow Canada, a cultural Puerto Rico of the Homo West.

    Yellows will never gain dominance in the West, but they are dangerous because they are such diligent and earnest servants of the Power. They will fail to gain dominance because the minute yellows come to the West, yellow women lose all respect for dorkus yellow men like the one in FARGO. So, even as they pass exams, they fail in making life, and this failure now has extended to yellow nations themselves. Also, as alpha Asians will mix with whites, the remaining Asians will become even more passive and dorky. Pure genetics. More able and adventurous Asians mix with other races. So, those Asians who stick together will be dorkier and dorkier... like the Amish whose genetics are being weeded out of the adventurous and individualistic types.
    So, yellows are not dangerous like Jews who've had a powerful sense of identity even without a nation for 1000s of yrs. In contrast, Asians lose their identity the minute they leave their homelands and want to be accepted by the Greater Power, which currently happens to be Jewish-Homo Globalism with Negroes as icons.
    Still, yellows will make a difference because they will be such committed servants of PC. Look how all these Asian lawyers and judges have been working for Jews and Homos to block Trump and white American interests. Yellow dogs must go.

    Now, the hindus... that's another story. They tend to stick together more. There is less outmarriage, so their identity will remain more intact.
    Also, Hinduism has a sense of truth beyond the temporal, and this gives them a power akin to that of Jews.
    East Asians, steeped in Confucian history, has no sense of power or truth beyond the political or social. So, whatever happens to the biggest man-made power is the ultimate authority for East Asians. So, if PC is the highest man-made authority in the West, East Asians go for it 100%. It's no wonder why so many Chinese swallowed Maoism 100%.

    In contrast, even as the People of Dot pretend to play along with PC, their cultural habit is to hold(and hide) a sense of truth much deeper and higher than the come-and-go constructions of man.
    Jews had this sense too. Even when surrounded by much greater gentile powers and empires, their sense of the Covenant made them feel special and unique on the basis of the connection with one and only God. That sense meant more than all the empires around the world.

    Hindus have a similar 'ethno-spiritual' worldview, which is why they are more adept at the chess game of power. They know how to play all pieces whereas East Asians are used to playing the subordinate pieces in serving whatever happens to the top man-made power.

    Hindus have a similar ‘ethno-spiritual’ worldview, which is why they are more adept at the chess game of power. They know how to play all pieces whereas East Asians are used to playing the subordinate pieces in serving whatever happens to the top man-made power.

    This is true in the West, Indians are much more like the Jews than East Asians due to their tribalism and loquaciousness. While East Asians tend to pursue the technical fields, Indians are increasingly pursuing professions that are dominated by the Jews such as law, investment banking, politics, journalism, civil service. However in ethnically mixed countries in Asia like Malaysia and Singapore, the Chinese who are much more entrepreneurial tend to be the business owners while the Indians either work for the Chinese, or are in criminal gangs and rob them blind.

    As far as East Asians drinking the Kool-aid by the buckets, I find that curious as well, since the Chinese in Asia are known for their pragmatism. But the biggest and most vocal progressive tards in the US (after the Jews and the blacks) are the Indians, from Sundra Pichai in Silicon Valley to Kshama Sawant, Pramila Jayapal, Kamala Harris in politics, to Aziz Ansari, Hasan Minaj, Kumail Nanjani in entertainment, all are left wing nuts and zealous anti-Trumpers. The current US ambassador to the UN Nikki Haley is such a staunch Zionist you almost wonder if she’s sleeping with Natanyahu.

    Neither the Chinese nor the Indians can be trusted. In that regard they are like the Jews. They all lack that integrity chip that governs most protestant whites. I wouldn’t say it’s because of Christianity. Most Catholics and blacks (who are mostly protestant) are equally untrustworthy.

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    I am Indian and I agree with you completely.

    However in ethnically mixed countries in Asia like Malaysia and Singapore, the Chinese who are much more entrepreneurial tend to be the business owners while the Indians either work for the Chinese, or are in criminal gangs and rob them blind.
     
    A rule of the universe, when dealing with browns especially mixed brown Caucasoids, the elites behave as Jews and the masses behave as gypsies. Akarlin called Indians a country of Gypsies ruled by Jews. That is one of the most accurate description of India and the subcontinent is general. But I can extend it to the Middle Easterners and North Africans too. Elite Indians, like those in the USA will hardly commit any blue collared crime and will be successful but will be cunning, nepotist, back stabbing, taking part in complex conspiracies, arrogant, corner cutting and will be more into White collared crime. The peasant stock will behave like gypsies and will be low IQ, cunning, nepotist, back stabbing, taking part in complex conspiracies, arrogant, corner cutting and will be more into Blue collared crime.They will remain the small shop keeper type or will fall into welfare and basically act as Mexicans with a lot of gangs and violence. Their neighbourhoods will resemble gypsy neighbourhoods of Romania.
    Indians in Malaysia and Singapore, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis in Britain and a good chunk of the Indian community in Canada are all peasant stock. Same with most of Algerians and other North Africans in France. Thus Gypsy behaviour.
    Most of the Indians in the USA, Britain and some of the Indians in Canada are mostly elite stock. hence Jewish behaviour.

    There are a few subcons who behave like White people, but they are a tiny tiny minority. Most of these tend to be successful professionals. They are mostly tasteful, honest, considerate, intelligent, basically first world people. But these types are a tiny tiny minority. Mostly Parsis or upper caste Brahmins or other upper castes, these Euro types are a tiny minority even in these castes. The typical Brahmin is more Jewish than Euro in temperament .
    , @denk

    Neither the Chinese nor the Indians can be trusted. In that regard they are like the Jews. They all lack that integrity chip that governs most protestant whites. I wouldn’t say it’s because of Christianity. Most Catholics and blacks (who are mostly protestant) are equally untrustworthy.
     
    Tell that to the Apache chief Big horse,
    Whitey speak with forked tongue

    Or Josef Goebbels,
    The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.

    Incidentally,
    The Asian Indians tend to speak with knotted tongues,
    Apache Chief Big horse must be turning in his grave !
    , @Bach

    Neither the Chinese nor the Indians can be trusted. In that regard they are like the Jews. They all lack that integrity chip that governs most protestant whites. I wouldn’t say it’s because of Christianity. Most Catholics and blacks (who are mostly protestant) are equally untrustworthy.
     
    It's laughable when whites make these kinds of moral assertions. Check your history. Check current news.

    Whites still lack a univeralist morality unlike E. Asians who developed that thousands of years ago.

    Whites are still tribal. On the surface, it appears universalist because they just expand the definition of the "tribe".

    There's probably a relation to the Abrahamic religion that underlies their ethos. Jews are the least universal. Christians are broader but still tribal.
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  59. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Yan Shen

    We can’t make whites as smart as East Asians; Mother Nature’s standing in the way.
     
    It's probably a little more complicated than that. The existing literature on intelligence suggests that East Asians exhibit a significant math/verbal split. They tend to score a little lower than whites on verbal reasoning, but typically score significantly higher on spatial/quantitative tests of aptitude.

    The most obvious manifestation of this is in the well documented East Asian tendency to skew towards STEM and away from the social sciences and humanities. Let me point out two additional facts that may not be as well known that are likely also the result of this math/verbal split. First, even within STEM East Asians exhibit a clear preference for the physical sciences over the life sciences and medicine. As noted by Simon Marginson in the quote below, China's rapid rise in science has been disproportionately concentrated in the quantitative STEM fields.


    "Take chemistry: in the year 2000, China published 3.7 per cent of all papers in chemistry in the Thomson-Reuters Web of Science collection, based on all Thomson-accredited English-language journals. In 2012, that proportion had reached 16.9 per cent, and China’s total quantity of chemistry papers exceeded that of the US. More strikingly, in 2000 China authored just 0.6 per cent of chemistry papers ranked in the global top one per cent on citation rate in the Web of Science. Only 12 years later, in 2012, China published 16.3 per cent of the leading one per cent of papers, half as many as the US – an astonishing rate of improvement. There were similar patterns in engineering, physics and computing – where China publishes more top one per cent papers than the US – and mathematics (NSF, 2014).

    China, Taiwan, Korea, Japan, and to some degree Singapore, have concentrated research development in the physical sciences and related applied fields like engineering, computing and materials. In Korea and Japan this supports advanced manufacturing. China also emphasises research that supports accelerated modernisation: energy, urbanisation, construction, transport and communications. At this stage medicine and life sciences are much weaker."
     

    Math/verbal split probably also explains why East Asia skews towards hardware and manufacturing as opposed to software and services, as is the case in the United States or India for instance. My guess is as East Asia further develops, we're increasingly likely to see these sorts of cognitive differences become more pronounced.

    The most obvious manifestation of this is in the well documented East Asian tendency to skew towards STEM and away from the social sciences and humanities.

    Perhaps that’s why East Asian countries haven’t been consumed by the liberal madness that’s dragging the West down in flames. In the US most East Asians do not pursue those fields because they are very practical and see the social sciences and humanities as tickets to unemployment.

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    Actually graduate unemployment in China is much higher than in the US. The Chinese may be doing more practical degrees, but there are just too many of them trying to get into similar types of numerate white collar work. East Asians in Anglo countries also tend to be even less interested in skilled blue collar works than whites, despite higher visual/spatial intelligence.

    In Australia and New Zealand for example, East Asians have higher academic qualifications than whites but somewhat higher unemployment rates. This is partly due to language barriers, but also has a lot to do with the conspicuous lack of East Asians in skilled blue collar jobs.
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  60. the problem is not and never has been discrimination.

    the problem is the multi-ethnic society.

    there is NO moral or political solution

    america and the americas should be nuked or abandoned to its indigenes.

    just imagine if trump wasn’t a woman?

    but sailer and bruce-lee-brush-with-greatness will keep fellating the masters of ‘mer’ca.

    SAD!

    my dad is harvard college ’66.

    so there!

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  61. Art Deco says:
    @Hibernian
    Socio-twaddle isn't limited to the discipline, if you can call it that, of sociology.

    What else did you have in mind?

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  62. Art Deco says:
    @Truth

    His regarding it as a personal matter might have something to do with ‘atilla’ lobbing insults at the moderator for having married a Chinese woman and having demi-Oriental children.
     
    Well DUH-uh-UH!

    The pupose of this website is to defend traditional white values and ways of life, isn't it?

    The pupose of this website is to defend traditional white values and ways of life, isn’t it?

    No, the purpose is to find a collection of conceited cranks and provide them a forum to display whatever confusions are between their ears.

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    Oh, I was unaware, Sorry.
    , @Orwellian State

    No, the purpose is to find a collection of conceited cranks and provide them a forum to display whatever confusions are between their ears.
     
    No, the purpose of this website is to give a voice to the independent thinkers who hold views that are not necessarily aligned with the mainstream. I for one am very thankful to Ron Unz for the existence of this website. It is now my favorite website.
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  63. @Semper Fidelis
    Thomm the Indian nationalist advocating for an Indian takeover of the US every chance he gets. Make India Great Again!

    If Indians are so smart and so capable why is India the sewer pit of humanity? Go fix your own fucked up third world hell hole first before you conquered someone else's through mass immigration fraud. Silicon Valley was great before all you Indian fraudsters arrived and it will be great again when you are all gone.

    Yeah I think Thommmm told me in another thread that Poles weren’t considered white in the United States before 1965. Neither were the Irish, he said. Indians sure are cocky aren’t they. They know so much about this country’s history. If only they knew how to run a motel that doesn’t stink and have bedbugs.

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    That's the problem with Indians.

    They are forever trying to be honorary whites when they could not be more of an alien.

    Quit groveling so much and go back to your own country.
    , @Thomm

    Yeah I think Thommmm told me in another thread that Poles weren’t considered white in the United States before 1965.
     
    It takes 10 seconds to look this up, you ignorant wigger. Then again, you WN retards don't know how to use Google, so you will always be ignorant.

    Polacks were not considered white in the past. Hell, even Archie Bunker hated Polacks.

    Get an education!
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  64. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Does the DOJ realize that there are 1.3 Billion Chinese and 1.2 Billion Indians and they all want to emigrate to the US? In fact there are 4 Billion people in Asia, and any one of them would drop everything to immigrate here if given the chance. There are only 320 million of us, including at least 20 million Asians. Most of the west coast from San Diego to Seattle already look like Chinese or Indian colonies, same goes for the east coast.

    If we don’t curtail Asian enrollment in our elite schools, soon they will all be 100% Asian. Is that what we want? Until we shut down further Asian immigration, this is just the way it has to be. It’s a sheer numbers game. They will overwhelm us in no time.

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  65. @Jim Christian
    Attila asked a question. What do or did Japan or China ever invent, or do anything that was new other than copy and of course, re-engineer in its own name? Oh, and out-and-out steal the industrial secrets they needed from us?

    This isn't a personal matter, except you certainly took it that way. And you and the Derbs say?

    What do or did Japan or China ever invent, or do anything that was new other than copy and of course, re-engineer in its own name? Oh, and out-and-out steal the industrial secrets they needed from us?

    Or you can just google this question and find two wikipedia pages on this matter.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_mathematics

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_science_and_technology_in_China

    People like to scream left and right about “but China has no inventions!!!!” as if they have no google. This line of stupid ass arguments seriously needs to die. But no worries, keep on being enamored about how the Ancient Greeks were the only people in the world forever and ever to invent math and philosophy! FFS googling isn’t hard people.

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    People like to scream left and right about “but China has no inventions!!!!” as if they have no google. This line of stupid ass arguments seriously needs to die.
     
    Remember that the egos of fragile White Trashionalists rest on the belief in two precarious fictions :

    1) Whites invented everything (while it is true that whites invented almost everything in the last 400 years, they were NOT the prime inventors before that).
    2) All whites are as good as the productive whites. In reality, white variance is extremely high, and the typical WN wigger has no more in common with successful whites than a chihuahua has with a Kodiak Bear.

    Plus, WN wiggers don't know how to use Google, as you point out.
    , @Anonymous
    This accusation (lack of inventiveness) is always made by established industrial powers against their newer rivals. And it's usually true - at first. Mid-19th century Brits used to mock American and German manufactures as nothing more than cheap copies of their own products.
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  66. @attilathehen
    There was a lot going on during the Middle Ages. Plus, Europe had to deal with the Muslims. But this did give China and Japan time to invent something. They didn't.

    Wow..The entire body of scientific works and discoveries, the medicine in the Orient is lost on you. Before the industrial rev, there wasn’t much the west did as far as science is concerned. And this is even before Muslims were a force to be reckoned with

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  67. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Frank the Prof

    What do or did Japan or China ever invent, or do anything that was new other than copy and of course, re-engineer in its own name? Oh, and out-and-out steal the industrial secrets they needed from us?
     
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/03/opinion/lost-einsteins-innovation-inequality.html

    Scroll Down to "Patents per 1,000 children, by race and 3rd-grade math performance"

    Asian 8.2 per 1000
    White 3.6 per 1000
    Black 1.0 per 1000
    Hispanic 0.6 per 1000

    This is the US only.

    Scroll Down to “Patents per 1,000 children, by race and 3rd-grade math performance”

    Asian 8.2 per 1000
    White 3.6 per 1000
    Black 1.0 per 1000
    Hispanic 0.6 per 1000

    This is the US only.

    Many patents today are filed by the tech industry. If you work in tech you would know how ridiculous many of these patents are. Even the minutest design update can be filed for a patent, like a new menu feature or a new type of scrollbar. The companies encourage their staff to file lots of patents because it makes them look more innovative, it’s gotten out of hand. Who invented all the big stuff – the internet itself, planes, trains, automobiles, the air conditioner, refrigerator, computer, printer, toilet, sink, modern plumbing, cable TV, iPod, iPhone, iPad, modern roads, gas stations, skyscrapers — not the Asians!

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    Wow.. each body of science was built on top of existing knowledge. read my previous reply. The industrial rev was built on top of very many existing fundamentals of science which, after the fall of the Greeks, was never really a western forte.
    Be it medicine, or the crafts, or metallurgy, Mathematics or paper, a very very large percentage of it originated in the orient. What were the Europeans doing when the Egyptians or the Chinese or the people in Baghdad were solving equations or building libraries or installing street lamps? Heck even a proper three course meal, regular bathing and coffee came to the west either from the near east or the far east (don't know the specifics but you could always find that out)

    A lot of basic science was already out there before or by the time the Europeans came out of the dark ages. So before you go about disparaging the Asians, I've worked extensively in the Tech industry too, and I can vouch that there are many many smart Eastern Asians around (yes there are smart whites and Indians too but most Indians are also very cunning when it comes to moving to the top)

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  68. Here’s the deal: While East Asians (and we’re mainly dealing with Taiwanese and Chinese) have superior quant skills, they lag in verbal and creativity. Therefore, the Harvard brand would be sullied if too many Chinese engineers and code monkeys began to define the brand. Harvard really wants Zuckerbergs and Charles Murrays. Meanwhile Harvard is destroying its brand with the promotion of affirmative action blacks like Malia Obama.

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    I think much of it also has to do with the way things have turned out in the US. Too many whites want the easy way out. It is coming full circle. Secondly compared to the Chinese and especially the East Indians, mostly middle class whites are not as money hungry and a bit more content with their lot. I'm leaving out "white" Jews here as they are a bit different.

    Whereas Asians especially Indians are way way too motivated to acquire much wealth driven by the cultural norm there, especially among-st the upper middle classes in India. So while (mostly) the top tier whites are driven by absolute greed, the average Joe isn't (all that much) when it comes to money. This is not the case with your average Indian. So you have a lot of them gravitating to STEM and now to the fields that the Jews excelled in. This is gonna get interesting. They have had money for a while now and now they seek power to go along with that.


    As they say:
    hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men and weak men create hard times

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    Scroll Down to “Patents per 1,000 children, by race and 3rd-grade math performance”

    Asian 8.2 per 1000
    White 3.6 per 1000
    Black 1.0 per 1000
    Hispanic 0.6 per 1000

    This is the US only.
     

    Many patents today are filed by the tech industry. If you work in tech you would know how ridiculous many of these patents are. Even the minutest design update can be filed for a patent, like a new menu feature or a new type of scrollbar. The companies encourage their staff to file lots of patents because it makes them look more innovative, it's gotten out of hand. Who invented all the big stuff - the internet itself, planes, trains, automobiles, the air conditioner, refrigerator, computer, printer, toilet, sink, modern plumbing, cable TV, iPod, iPhone, iPad, modern roads, gas stations, skyscrapers -- not the Asians!

    Wow.. each body of science was built on top of existing knowledge. read my previous reply. The industrial rev was built on top of very many existing fundamentals of science which, after the fall of the Greeks, was never really a western forte.
    Be it medicine, or the crafts, or metallurgy, Mathematics or paper, a very very large percentage of it originated in the orient. What were the Europeans doing when the Egyptians or the Chinese or the people in Baghdad were solving equations or building libraries or installing street lamps? Heck even a proper three course meal, regular bathing and coffee came to the west either from the near east or the far east (don’t know the specifics but you could always find that out)

    A lot of basic science was already out there before or by the time the Europeans came out of the dark ages. So before you go about disparaging the Asians, I’ve worked extensively in the Tech industry too, and I can vouch that there are many many smart Eastern Asians around (yes there are smart whites and Indians too but most Indians are also very cunning when it comes to moving to the top)

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    Next thing you`ll tell me it was actually Orient that came up with Newtonian physics and Mendeleev`s chemistry instead of pathetic bullshit like numerology.
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  70. @Meretricious
    Here's the deal: While East Asians (and we're mainly dealing with Taiwanese and Chinese) have superior quant skills, they lag in verbal and creativity. Therefore, the Harvard brand would be sullied if too many Chinese engineers and code monkeys began to define the brand. Harvard really wants Zuckerbergs and Charles Murrays. Meanwhile Harvard is destroying its brand with the promotion of affirmative action blacks like Malia Obama.

    I think much of it also has to do with the way things have turned out in the US. Too many whites want the easy way out. It is coming full circle. Secondly compared to the Chinese and especially the East Indians, mostly middle class whites are not as money hungry and a bit more content with their lot. I’m leaving out “white” Jews here as they are a bit different.

    Whereas Asians especially Indians are way way too motivated to acquire much wealth driven by the cultural norm there, especially among-st the upper middle classes in India. So while (mostly) the top tier whites are driven by absolute greed, the average Joe isn’t (all that much) when it comes to money. This is not the case with your average Indian. So you have a lot of them gravitating to STEM and now to the fields that the Jews excelled in. This is gonna get interesting. They have had money for a while now and now they seek power to go along with that.

    As they say:
    hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men and weak men create hard times

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    In my businesses I don't worry about competition from Indians or Chinese. Whites still run things in most industries--the smart Asians are usually worker bees. The fact is, African, Caribbean and AAs are those responsible for Asian underrepresentation at places like Harvard. Chalk it up to the cost of doing business. Someone should do a documentary about the Malia Obama dilemma of the Ivy League
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  71. Truth says:
    @Art Deco
    The pupose of this website is to defend traditional white values and ways of life, isn’t it?

    No, the purpose is to find a collection of conceited cranks and provide them a forum to display whatever confusions are between their ears.

    Oh, I was unaware, Sorry.

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  72. Hail says: • Website
    @Bill
    The US has, right now, an elite which was chosen via the IQ meritocracy instituted by the old SAT. And our elite absolutely sucks. Whatever we do going forward, IQ meritocracy should be no part of it.

    I don’t know about “No part.”

    Would a random selection from the phone book (if those still exist) be better?

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    Of course not.
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  73. @Priss Factor
    The hell with Asians. Most of them are proggy cuz they're yellow dogs. They uncritically swallow the official ideology without any reflection or contemplation. Cultural Revolution happened in China. Japanese were fanatics during WWII. Koreans are wanna-be imitators. higher IQ was wasted on the wrong people, a dog race that follows and obeys but hasn't the will to think and lead.

    Since PC rules the US, these yellow dog Asians tend to turn proggy. And even ones that aren't proggy will turn proggy once they go through 4 yrs of Ivy League indoctrination and associations. Being status-obsessed, yellows will go with ANY ideology that bestows higher status and prestige.

    Look at most proggy Asians and they call for Diversity and etc.

    And they are so earnest-naive-stupid. At least Jews do it to boost their own power. Jews are ruling elites who want diversity for divide-and-rule in gentile nations. But Jews never push for non-Jewish diversity in Israel. So, Jews control and toy with PC for their own benefit.

    In contrast. yellow dogs swallow wholehog the supposed wonders of PC. They gain success in the West not to dominate but to serve the dominant power... which happens to be Jewish and Homo. And since they swallow it wholehog, they try to import the same crap back to their own Asian nations. All those yellows in Canada and US are sending all the PC crap back home. Why is Taiwan going for 'gay marriage' now?

    Paradoxically, as yellows gain more elite ranks in the West, they do more harm to their own kind. Yellows seek status to serve the Great Power that is Jewish-Homo-Americanus. And since Jewish-Homo-American globalism is anti-gentile-nationalism, these privileged yellows in high positions eventually work AGAINST their own kind.
    It's like, when a Negro was elevated from Field Negro to House Negro, it made prospects of black power and liberation even dimmer. Why? The House Negro didn't enter the master's house to take over. No, he entered to serve the massuh oppress the Negroes even better. These yellows enter into Ivy Leagues to be servants than masters. Look at spread of homo crap in Japan, Korea, Taiwan, and even Vietnam!

    Whites must oppose yellows as both servants and masters. There is no reason for white nations to be ruled by non-white masters of any kind. Also, when yellows become servants, they are NOT serving white gentiles but Jewish-Homo Globalism. Since the West is ruled by Jews and Homos, white people are the subject people, a colonized people. Since yellows love to serve the Master, they end up serving Jews and Homos to destroy white gentiles. But since the Jewish-Homo agenda is to weaken all gentile nations, these yellows will, in time, even serve Jews and Homos in the PC-ization of Asia. Taiwan is harbinger of things to come. It is now just a yellow Canada, a cultural Puerto Rico of the Homo West.

    Yellows will never gain dominance in the West, but they are dangerous because they are such diligent and earnest servants of the Power. They will fail to gain dominance because the minute yellows come to the West, yellow women lose all respect for dorkus yellow men like the one in FARGO. So, even as they pass exams, they fail in making life, and this failure now has extended to yellow nations themselves. Also, as alpha Asians will mix with whites, the remaining Asians will become even more passive and dorky. Pure genetics. More able and adventurous Asians mix with other races. So, those Asians who stick together will be dorkier and dorkier... like the Amish whose genetics are being weeded out of the adventurous and individualistic types.
    So, yellows are not dangerous like Jews who've had a powerful sense of identity even without a nation for 1000s of yrs. In contrast, Asians lose their identity the minute they leave their homelands and want to be accepted by the Greater Power, which currently happens to be Jewish-Homo Globalism with Negroes as icons.
    Still, yellows will make a difference because they will be such committed servants of PC. Look how all these Asian lawyers and judges have been working for Jews and Homos to block Trump and white American interests. Yellow dogs must go.

    Now, the hindus... that's another story. They tend to stick together more. There is less outmarriage, so their identity will remain more intact.
    Also, Hinduism has a sense of truth beyond the temporal, and this gives them a power akin to that of Jews.
    East Asians, steeped in Confucian history, has no sense of power or truth beyond the political or social. So, whatever happens to the biggest man-made power is the ultimate authority for East Asians. So, if PC is the highest man-made authority in the West, East Asians go for it 100%. It's no wonder why so many Chinese swallowed Maoism 100%.

    In contrast, even as the People of Dot pretend to play along with PC, their cultural habit is to hold(and hide) a sense of truth much deeper and higher than the come-and-go constructions of man.
    Jews had this sense too. Even when surrounded by much greater gentile powers and empires, their sense of the Covenant made them feel special and unique on the basis of the connection with one and only God. That sense meant more than all the empires around the world.

    Hindus have a similar 'ethno-spiritual' worldview, which is why they are more adept at the chess game of power. They know how to play all pieces whereas East Asians are used to playing the subordinate pieces in serving whatever happens to the top man-made power.

    Now, the hindus… that’s another story. They tend to stick together more. There is less outmarriage, so their identity will remain more intact.

    My impression is they only stick to their little hindoo subgroups. With well over a billion of the blackassed basatards on the planet, these subgroups can be quite sizable, which can give a false impression of hindoo unity. Or at least of hindoo unity on a day-to-day level. Maybe they unite around the big issues – eg presenting a united front against whitey – but this disguises the million complexes their various hindoo identities suffer and which causes them to eye hindoo outgroups cautiously.

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    Or at least of hindoo unity on a day-to-day level. Maybe they unite around the big issues – eg presenting a united front against whitey – but this disguises the million complexes their various hindoo identities suffer and which causes them to eye hindoo outgroups cautiously.
     
    If only you could experience the back stabbing, cheating and swindling among the group members in these groups sometimes. But things are always interesting and fun as Indian dudes gossip like White girls about each other behind their backs. When I was in England, me and my best friend (another Indian guy, he is doing his PhD in Stanford now) got the hell out of these groups and kept our 'memberships' from afar. We moved in and moved out at our own choice.
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  74. @Priss Factor
    The hell with Asians. Most of them are proggy cuz they're yellow dogs. They uncritically swallow the official ideology without any reflection or contemplation. Cultural Revolution happened in China. Japanese were fanatics during WWII. Koreans are wanna-be imitators. higher IQ was wasted on the wrong people, a dog race that follows and obeys but hasn't the will to think and lead.

    Since PC rules the US, these yellow dog Asians tend to turn proggy. And even ones that aren't proggy will turn proggy once they go through 4 yrs of Ivy League indoctrination and associations. Being status-obsessed, yellows will go with ANY ideology that bestows higher status and prestige.

    Look at most proggy Asians and they call for Diversity and etc.

    And they are so earnest-naive-stupid. At least Jews do it to boost their own power. Jews are ruling elites who want diversity for divide-and-rule in gentile nations. But Jews never push for non-Jewish diversity in Israel. So, Jews control and toy with PC for their own benefit.

    In contrast. yellow dogs swallow wholehog the supposed wonders of PC. They gain success in the West not to dominate but to serve the dominant power... which happens to be Jewish and Homo. And since they swallow it wholehog, they try to import the same crap back to their own Asian nations. All those yellows in Canada and US are sending all the PC crap back home. Why is Taiwan going for 'gay marriage' now?

    Paradoxically, as yellows gain more elite ranks in the West, they do more harm to their own kind. Yellows seek status to serve the Great Power that is Jewish-Homo-Americanus. And since Jewish-Homo-American globalism is anti-gentile-nationalism, these privileged yellows in high positions eventually work AGAINST their own kind.
    It's like, when a Negro was elevated from Field Negro to House Negro, it made prospects of black power and liberation even dimmer. Why? The House Negro didn't enter the master's house to take over. No, he entered to serve the massuh oppress the Negroes even better. These yellows enter into Ivy Leagues to be servants than masters. Look at spread of homo crap in Japan, Korea, Taiwan, and even Vietnam!

    Whites must oppose yellows as both servants and masters. There is no reason for white nations to be ruled by non-white masters of any kind. Also, when yellows become servants, they are NOT serving white gentiles but Jewish-Homo Globalism. Since the West is ruled by Jews and Homos, white people are the subject people, a colonized people. Since yellows love to serve the Master, they end up serving Jews and Homos to destroy white gentiles. But since the Jewish-Homo agenda is to weaken all gentile nations, these yellows will, in time, even serve Jews and Homos in the PC-ization of Asia. Taiwan is harbinger of things to come. It is now just a yellow Canada, a cultural Puerto Rico of the Homo West.

    Yellows will never gain dominance in the West, but they are dangerous because they are such diligent and earnest servants of the Power. They will fail to gain dominance because the minute yellows come to the West, yellow women lose all respect for dorkus yellow men like the one in FARGO. So, even as they pass exams, they fail in making life, and this failure now has extended to yellow nations themselves. Also, as alpha Asians will mix with whites, the remaining Asians will become even more passive and dorky. Pure genetics. More able and adventurous Asians mix with other races. So, those Asians who stick together will be dorkier and dorkier... like the Amish whose genetics are being weeded out of the adventurous and individualistic types.
    So, yellows are not dangerous like Jews who've had a powerful sense of identity even without a nation for 1000s of yrs. In contrast, Asians lose their identity the minute they leave their homelands and want to be accepted by the Greater Power, which currently happens to be Jewish-Homo Globalism with Negroes as icons.
    Still, yellows will make a difference because they will be such committed servants of PC. Look how all these Asian lawyers and judges have been working for Jews and Homos to block Trump and white American interests. Yellow dogs must go.

    Now, the hindus... that's another story. They tend to stick together more. There is less outmarriage, so their identity will remain more intact.
    Also, Hinduism has a sense of truth beyond the temporal, and this gives them a power akin to that of Jews.
    East Asians, steeped in Confucian history, has no sense of power or truth beyond the political or social. So, whatever happens to the biggest man-made power is the ultimate authority for East Asians. So, if PC is the highest man-made authority in the West, East Asians go for it 100%. It's no wonder why so many Chinese swallowed Maoism 100%.

    In contrast, even as the People of Dot pretend to play along with PC, their cultural habit is to hold(and hide) a sense of truth much deeper and higher than the come-and-go constructions of man.
    Jews had this sense too. Even when surrounded by much greater gentile powers and empires, their sense of the Covenant made them feel special and unique on the basis of the connection with one and only God. That sense meant more than all the empires around the world.

    Hindus have a similar 'ethno-spiritual' worldview, which is why they are more adept at the chess game of power. They know how to play all pieces whereas East Asians are used to playing the subordinate pieces in serving whatever happens to the top man-made power.

    I’ve said it earlier in my other comments and I’ll repeat it here. It is the Hindus who are probably the biggest competition to the Jews in their power structure in the US in the LONG RUN. They will play along the PC as long as it suits them and then after having taken a toe hold in almost all power wielding professions, they will inadvertently be placed in competition with the zios. Of course it’ll be more complicated in India which will try to play along with the zio empire and Russia but somewhere it’ll have to choose a side as the war intensifies and then it’ll get interesting. I think by that time, quite a bit of power in the US would be with Zionist dot people (think Nikki Haley, an ardent Zionist). So I think the people who run the circus in the US know that this is coming and perhaps that is why they are letting the lower rung of Jews get displaced to be taken over by the dots.

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    My observation is that at low to moderate rates of immigration, high IQ Hindu immigrants assimilate well and are a net plus. I would bet based on my observations that second generation Hindu immigrant children are marrying out of their groups at a rate around 65-70%, and from a values stand point they seem make good citizens. Within four generations I would expect them to be fully assimilated.

    I don’t believe any low skill, low class Hindus or any other group should be allowed in the country because this hurts the working class too much.
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  75. Thomm says:
    @random rand

    What do or did Japan or China ever invent, or do anything that was new other than copy and of course, re-engineer in its own name? Oh, and out-and-out steal the industrial secrets they needed from us?
     
    Or you can just google this question and find two wikipedia pages on this matter.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_mathematics
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_science_and_technology_in_China

    People like to scream left and right about "but China has no inventions!!!!" as if they have no google. This line of stupid ass arguments seriously needs to die. But no worries, keep on being enamored about how the Ancient Greeks were the only people in the world forever and ever to invent math and philosophy! FFS googling isn't hard people.

    People like to scream left and right about “but China has no inventions!!!!” as if they have no google. This line of stupid ass arguments seriously needs to die.

    Remember that the egos of fragile White Trashionalists rest on the belief in two precarious fictions :

    1) Whites invented everything (while it is true that whites invented almost everything in the last 400 years, they were NOT the prime inventors before that).
    2) All whites are as good as the productive whites. In reality, white variance is extremely high, and the typical WN wigger has no more in common with successful whites than a chihuahua has with a Kodiak Bear.

    Plus, WN wiggers don’t know how to use Google, as you point out.

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  76. @HogHappenin
    I think much of it also has to do with the way things have turned out in the US. Too many whites want the easy way out. It is coming full circle. Secondly compared to the Chinese and especially the East Indians, mostly middle class whites are not as money hungry and a bit more content with their lot. I'm leaving out "white" Jews here as they are a bit different.

    Whereas Asians especially Indians are way way too motivated to acquire much wealth driven by the cultural norm there, especially among-st the upper middle classes in India. So while (mostly) the top tier whites are driven by absolute greed, the average Joe isn't (all that much) when it comes to money. This is not the case with your average Indian. So you have a lot of them gravitating to STEM and now to the fields that the Jews excelled in. This is gonna get interesting. They have had money for a while now and now they seek power to go along with that.


    As they say:
    hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men and weak men create hard times

    In my businesses I don’t worry about competition from Indians or Chinese. Whites still run things in most industries–the smart Asians are usually worker bees. The fact is, African, Caribbean and AAs are those responsible for Asian underrepresentation at places like Harvard. Chalk it up to the cost of doing business. Someone should do a documentary about the Malia Obama dilemma of the Ivy League

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  77. Thomm says:
    @Anonymous
    Lol. Thomm is an Indian Hindu national and Hindus are the last thing this country needs.

    And being the most successful is a dubious claim since a lot of Indians have made it to the top by scamming and practicing nepotism. Why would we want more Indians when India is such a mess.

    Indians are the world's most rapiest people and letting in more Indians will just mean they will want to bring even more Indians in. No thanks.

    Ps. India has an iq of 82. Having more quickie marts isn't going to help America.

    False. I am a white guy who admires successful immigrants. I would take any type of Asian ahead of WN wiggers like you.

    Get a clue, faggot.

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    Lots of Indians love to claim that they are "caucasoids" or "Aryan descendants" therefore "white". No one else but Indians buy it.

    You are white in your own imagination. You're fooling no one.

    800 million Indians still defecate out in the open, and we need to rely on them to lead us into the future? What a joke! Indians are the bullshit artists of the east. The Jews only prop them up as CEOs because they are easily manipulated.

    , @Anonymous
    This is what larping looks like when you have an iq of 82.
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  78. Florin N. says:

    Distilled to its essence, ‘diversity’ is and has ever been a tool by which Jews, and only Jews, retained absolutely massive over-representation at top schools (and over-representation beyond merit… few don’t agree Jews would ‘naturally’ enjoy healthy over-representation)… at the expense of European-Americans and Asian-Americans, better qualified and eho would compete with them… while giving their seats to underqualified non-Asian minority students.

    For decades.

    This may have been the very purpose of a scheme which pretended to address socio-economic disparities while ignoring the ‘root’ of the problem, part of which is bad schools in poor hoods and part of which is cultural/ethical.

    Hollywood has been ‘kept’ Jewish for decades and everyone knows it and everyone is supposed to agree it is ‘hate’ to mention it… unless you frame it as ‘achievement’ rather than the hyperethnonepotism necessarily at play to keep a ti y ethnoreligious minority in, essentially, control of our entertainment and news media.

    Not many movies about the Palestinians’ sufferings… or about the barbarities of the Bolsheviks, are there?

    The top schools are dens of Jewish ethnonepotism, just as the ‘anti-White’ cult of ‘whiteness studies’ is nearly as Jewish as the neoconservative movement.

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    The top schools are dens of Jewish ethnonepotism, just as the ‘anti-White’ cult of ‘whiteness studies’ is nearly as Jewish as the neoconservative movement.
     
    Brilliant observation. Couldn't agree more.
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  79. Florin N. says:

    Well – Distilled to its essence, ‘diversity’ is and has ever been a tool by which Jews, and only Jews, retained absolutely massive over-representation at top schools (and over-representation beyond merit… few don’t agree Jews would ‘naturally’ enjoy healthy over-representation)… at the expense of European-Americans and Asian-Americans, better qualified and who would compete with them… while giving their seats to underqualified non-Asian minority students.

    For decades.

    This may have been the very purpose of a scheme which pretended to address socio-economic disparities while ignoring the ‘root’ of the problem, part of which is bad schools in poor hoods and part of which is cultural/ethical.

    Hollywood has been ‘kept’ Jewish for decades and everyone knows it and everyone is supposed to agree it is ‘hate’ to mention it… unless you frame it as ‘achievement’ rather than the hyperethnonepotism necessarily at play to keep a tiny ethnoreligious minority in, essentially, control of our entertainment and news media for decades… despite the Cult of Diversity dictum to otherwise ‘reflect the community.’

    Not many movies about the Palestinians’ sufferings… or about the barbarities of the Bolsheviks, are there?

    The top schools are dens of Jewish ethnonepotism, just as the ‘anti-White’ cult of ‘whiteness studies’ is nearly as Jewish as the neoconservative movement.

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  80. @Thomm

    America does not have enough Jews and Asians to balance the roughly one billion Han Chinese whom Beijing increasingly can deploy in technical fields.
     
    That is why immigration of Indians (from India) is crucial. India is still a poor country with many basic problems, but for whatever reason, Indians are THE most successful ethnic group in the US, bar none. The Indians who come to the US are not exclusively some Top-1% tier either (more like Top 20%).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income

    This serves to counter the PRC juggernaut that you mention.

    Get real dude, I would have rather Chinese than Indians any day. At least the Chinese don’t mind keeping to themselves. I have found that even if an area is massively Chinese – like say 75% – it’s still quite easy to find places – restaurants, clubs, bars – that are pretty much completely free of Chinese people. So their presence in an area doesn’t bother me as much as it otherwise would. (Of course, if I could press a button and make them all vanish, I’d do it in a heartbeat.)

    Indians on the other hand tend to infiltrate white settings to a much more disturbing degree. Unlike the Chinese, they can’t seem to take the hint that they’re not wanted. Even though they’re racially more similar to whites than Chinese are, they take way more offense at being rejected by white people. It’s bizarre how apeshit they go when they detect that whites don’t want them around. It’s like, what did you expect dude, I’m not gonna notice what a hindoo you are?

    And I haven’t even begun to talk about the myriad psychological complexes that stalk the Indian psyche. The Chinese seem blissfully free of these complexes. The fact that Chinese civilization has actual accomplishments under its built is probably a big part of this. Hindoos on the other hand can really only look around and wonder why they are so wretched and pathetic. (Blacks haven’t accomplished jack either, but they accept their lot more cheerfully than hindoos.) That’s why they cling to their ancient “philosophical” texts so tenaciously, because at least those occasionally have some interesting things to say, which people of other cultures can actually appreciate without pretending. (They were probably penned by authors considerably more racially Aryan than anything one would have found in India over the last thousand or so years, of course.) And I wouldn’t ordinarily say this, but I find hindoo demographic triumphalism so irritating I will say it – it really can’t be much joy looking in the mirror as a hindoo.

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    Hindoos are the most SJW group in the entire world. They have all the worst traits of Jews without any of the redeeming traits.

    The only thing they are good at is arguing and with an iq of 82 it is like talking to another species.
    , @Meretricious
    You know nothing about India or Hindu culture. Call your psychiatrist
    , @Anon
    Perhaps because you're the only one hinting they're not wanted?
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  81. Reading these comments makes one very depressed. These old white retard racists do not understand the first thing about Nation. They don’t even understand the first thing about Race. And we don’t want to even mention the question of National Essence, or National Soul. Yeah right all Chinese and all Japanese are one big happy hardworking race. All Indians are the same. Germans and East Europeans and Russians are one singular race too aren’t they?

    America is finished. Woe.

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    These old white retard racists do not understand the first thing about Nation.
     
    My friend, you are right. Except that many of them are not old.

    But all of them are retards and untalented in other metrics beyond IQ (looks, character, artistry).

    The white race produces the best people, but that process generates waste matter, which has to be discarded somehow. The bottom 10% of the white race represents this waste matter, and these individuals are the wastebaskets that facilitate the removal of this waste.

    The men of this tier become White Trashionalists.
    The women of this tier become fat feminists.

    But they represent waste matter that is a necessary function of excretion to produce the other excellent members of the white race (the other 90% that you and I are from).

    That is why there is visceral disgust when one sees a fat feminist or WN retard. This is for natural genetic reasons. You are seeing waste matter when you see them.

    , @International Jew
    Yan Shen, is that you?
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  82. Thomm says:

    Hey, I am perfectly fine with every single immigrant to the US being Chinese. They are a high income group.

    White Trashionalists (aka wiggers) are just bitter that the fat bluehaired feminists are rejecting them. That is why WN wiggers are so bitter.

    Heh heh heh heh

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    It must be sad indeed to be a hindoo, going through life lying to yourself for comfort. "White guys can't get white girls!!!" the hindoo gleefully squeals, even though it happens in bars and clubs with humdrum regularity every weekend (often with a few envy-ridden hindoos leering salaciously from the sidelines for accompaniment). I wonder if hindoos ever ask themselves what they must have done that was so bad in their former lives to be reborn as hindoos in this one - must have been something ghastly, you figure.
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  83. athEIst says:
    @attilathehen
    There was a lot going on during the Middle Ages. Plus, Europe had to deal with the Muslims. But this did give China and Japan time to invent something. They didn't.

    The Chinese invented paper! In ~100 CE. Kept the paper-making process secret for a 1000yrs! Paper arrived(not invented) in Europe ~1200.

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  84. @Anonymous

    The most obvious manifestation of this is in the well documented East Asian tendency to skew towards STEM and away from the social sciences and humanities.
     
    Perhaps that's why East Asian countries haven't been consumed by the liberal madness that's dragging the West down in flames. In the US most East Asians do not pursue those fields because they are very practical and see the social sciences and humanities as tickets to unemployment.

    Actually graduate unemployment in China is much higher than in the US. The Chinese may be doing more practical degrees, but there are just too many of them trying to get into similar types of numerate white collar work. East Asians in Anglo countries also tend to be even less interested in skilled blue collar works than whites, despite higher visual/spatial intelligence.

    In Australia and New Zealand for example, East Asians have higher academic qualifications than whites but somewhat higher unemployment rates. This is partly due to language barriers, but also has a lot to do with the conspicuous lack of East Asians in skilled blue collar jobs.

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    Actually, there does appear to be lots of students in China doing non-numerate degrees as well. And most good STEM majors do find work. However, overall there is still a lot more graduates than graduate-level white collar jobs.
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  85. @unpc downunder
    Actually graduate unemployment in China is much higher than in the US. The Chinese may be doing more practical degrees, but there are just too many of them trying to get into similar types of numerate white collar work. East Asians in Anglo countries also tend to be even less interested in skilled blue collar works than whites, despite higher visual/spatial intelligence.

    In Australia and New Zealand for example, East Asians have higher academic qualifications than whites but somewhat higher unemployment rates. This is partly due to language barriers, but also has a lot to do with the conspicuous lack of East Asians in skilled blue collar jobs.

    Actually, there does appear to be lots of students in China doing non-numerate degrees as well. And most good STEM majors do find work. However, overall there is still a lot more graduates than graduate-level white collar jobs.

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  86. AaronB says:

    It’s ineffective in the long run to deny Asians the place in our university system that their scores should earn them, and the suggestion is based on a fundamental misconception.

    The main difference between whites and Asians now is in motivation – whites simply aren’t motivated to conquer the world anymore, Asians are.

    That being the case, any attempt on the part of whites to keep Asians out would bump up against this motivation differential, and is bound to fail.

    Whites simply won’t be bothered to really do what it takes to keep Asians out for the same reason they aren’t motivated to do what it takes to fill the ranks of our elite universities in the first place or eke out those extra few points on IQ tests – they simply don’t care anymore.

    It’s a perfectly normal movement in the cycle of nations. After empire, loss of interest in the “world”.

    Asians right now have to vindicate themselves for their humiliations of the past few hundred years, and we should not put obstacles in their way.

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    To expand on this, it's well known that at IQ 130 and above, there are 8 time as many whites as Jews, yet Jews don't exactly make up only one eighth of the various intellectual and professional classes.

    In many key fields, Jews are an astonishing two thirds!

    Obviously because of sheer numbers whites have the IQ advantage, but have pretty much given up the field.

    After empire, whites just aren't motivated.

    Asians are about five percent of the population, and their one third of a standard deviation IQ advantage over whites should mean they at most should have ten percent of the positions in elite fields, yet they have much more.

    Obviously, IQ doesn't have much to do with the distribution of whites, Asians, and Jews across elite fields in America.

    John Derbyshire says we should somehow muster the will power to keep Asians out. What he doesn't understand is that if whites had that kind of willpower this wouldn't be an issue to begin with.

    Whites would simply work as hard as Asians and Jews and naturally occupy the dominant position because of sheer numbers.

    If each group was equally motivated, whites would occupy something like 80% of all elite positions quite naturally and effortlessly.

    So John'a suggestions are just based on a misunderstanding. Guys like John and Steve Sailer are the high IQ leadership elite of the working classes. That strata of society doesn't suffer from post-imperial fatigue because it never really had the chance to taste power and become disillusioned with it, so they haven't had the chance to become decadent yet.

    But the white working classes simply don't throw up enough high IQ individuals to create a new white leadership class that could replace the decadent old one which isn't interested in power anymore, so the return to empire-phase that John, Sailer, and Trump are trying to bring about couldn't really replicate the glories of old.

    It may be a metaphor, but nations really do follow a cyclical pattern like people do, they grow old and decline just like people.

    We may not know the mechanism involved at this point, but there is no denying that it's s fact of history.

    Let's not be the national equivalent of the old man who dyes his hair and hangs out at bars pestering girls.

    For the purposes of international harmony Asians need to vindicate their honor, and the sooner they do so the better for the whole world.

    Whites, who have nothing to vindicate, can return to the life of the Spirit.

    Whites brought the nightmare of modernity into the world, it would make sense if whites were the first to emerge from the nightmare and show the way out.
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  87. SOL says:

    Yes, no mention of the favoritism for (((whites))) in this article?

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  88. WHAT says:
    @Bragadocious
    I'm not so sure that chart is as "killer" as you say. What percentage of Asians 18-21 were even going to college at all? Shouldn't that be teased out from the total number?

    Also, of those going to college, what percentage had Ivy League-level SATs and grades? We don't know.

    There are plenty of underachieving Asians. I see them all the time at the H Mart, stocking shelves with Hi-Chews (which are yummy).

    The suspicious part of the chart is the discrepancy between Cal Tech and the Ivies. But, that could be explained by the Asian nerd factor. They might naturally gravitate to a school filled with math grinds.

    I'm not saying they're not discriminated against, I'm just saying that chart doesn't prove it.

    Caltech, MIT, Berkeley and in part Stanford can be defined as tech-centric institutions, and everything else is there just for the networking(or should I say nepotistic homo shit). Asians, with their high IQs, understand well that they are not welcome with the networking crowds outside of token numbers, so they choose the actual work instead.

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  89. WHAT says:
    @HogHappenin
    Wow.. each body of science was built on top of existing knowledge. read my previous reply. The industrial rev was built on top of very many existing fundamentals of science which, after the fall of the Greeks, was never really a western forte.
    Be it medicine, or the crafts, or metallurgy, Mathematics or paper, a very very large percentage of it originated in the orient. What were the Europeans doing when the Egyptians or the Chinese or the people in Baghdad were solving equations or building libraries or installing street lamps? Heck even a proper three course meal, regular bathing and coffee came to the west either from the near east or the far east (don't know the specifics but you could always find that out)

    A lot of basic science was already out there before or by the time the Europeans came out of the dark ages. So before you go about disparaging the Asians, I've worked extensively in the Tech industry too, and I can vouch that there are many many smart Eastern Asians around (yes there are smart whites and Indians too but most Indians are also very cunning when it comes to moving to the top)

    Next thing you`ll tell me it was actually Orient that came up with Newtonian physics and Mendeleev`s chemistry instead of pathetic bullshit like numerology.

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    I think your reading skills are a bit crusty as I see. Again, what you mentioned are from the 17th and the 18th centuries. Show me something from say the 7th or the 8th centuries, akin to something that changed the course of humanity like Gunpowder. or paper-making, dye printing, the abacus and we'll talk.

    I'm not Chinese either but accepting facts doesn't hurt. Forget the Chinese, heck even Baghdad had proper lamp posts and a pretty good planned urban-scape in the 11th century when the Europeans where burning witches and practicing wizardry.

    But like they say, every Dog has it's day and the western man has been dominating the world economically, militarily and in the last century even culturally from the past 400 years but may now be coming full circle due to the imperial overstretch of it's latest proponent, the Zionist loving United States. And power will undoubtedly shift back to the far east and Eurasia unless the madmen ruling the west don't take the whole world down with their ideas of a nuclear "holocaust".

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  90. PISA investigations into levels of education indeed show that people in SE Asia show better results in science, real science, not gender studies etc., and mathematics.
    The asserted USA backwardness in weapons maybe is explained by this.

    ” If Harvard and other high-prestige universities practice color-blind admissions, therefore, Asian-Americans will be way over-represented, and way-way over-represented in fields like math and computer science.

    Betsy actually sees this:

    Asian-American students now win nearly half the places at California Institute of Technology, up from only a quarter in 1992. ”

    My conclusion is that there is no indication that there is race dicrimination.

    If the over representation of Asians is good for the USA, seen from the other side of the Atlantic it is.
    If WASP’s like it is another matter.
    ‘Real’ Germans resented the over representation of jews in intellectual occupations.
    To be tried by a jewish judge was not something all ‘real’ Germans liked.

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  91. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    What about the notion of “managing” the problem at a private University vis- a-vis a state U? A tax paying parent has a right to admission for his qualified kid at UNH where that wouldn’t be the case at Dartmouth.

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  92. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    Harvard, she says, is stonewalling like crazy. They haven’t delivered a single document. DOJ imposed a deadline of December 1st —which Harvard has apparently just (grudgingly) accepted (it’s trying to add a condition that “allowed government lawyers to look at the records only in the offices of Harvard’s lawyers, according to people close to the case”.

    Maybe Trump will issue an Executive Order protecting his Jewish buddies status as the dominant group at Harvard, since we all know that we must be subservient to our Overlords.

    The University of Israel’s Harvard campus has nothing to fear, even though the Chosen Ones have slanted admissions policy towards only letting Jewish applicants enter and the Tribe has taken over the administration and majority of professorships.

    We Americans must accept this educational Apartheid, and learn to live with less, so that our Jewish Overlords have more, just like the Palestinians have been doing for 70 years.

    Give it time, and it won’t hurt so much. In fact, you might come to enjoy your enslavement. And if you don’t, who will care?

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  93. Z-man says:

    This article misses the point. Haaavard isn’t trying to keep out Asians it’s trying to protect ‘The Chosen Ones’ who would be most affected by Orientals, Indians and Pakis elbowing in. The White Christian male is definitely not the ones they are protecting.
    But I can see the argument as alluded in one of the posts I read (Fty-post 9) that the Anglo is getting what he reaped. Hopefully it’s the sold out Anglo to Zionist Empire that is crumbling. There are good signs of this in Hollywood and DC!

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  94. Biff says:
    @Semper Fidelis
    Thomm the Indian nationalist advocating for an Indian takeover of the US every chance he gets. Make India Great Again!

    If Indians are so smart and so capable why is India the sewer pit of humanity? Go fix your own fucked up third world hell hole first before you conquered someone else's through mass immigration fraud. Silicon Valley was great before all you Indian fraudsters arrived and it will be great again when you are all gone.

    Don’t blame the Indians – not there idea.
    Know your deciders

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  95. Biff says:
    @attilathehen
    Yan Shen, maybe you don't read English to well so let's take a look at what I wrote. Derbyshire wrote “W e can’t make whites as smart as East Asians; Mother Nature’s standing in the way.” This would be an extremely strange statement from an Englishman. Cecil Rhodes said that any one born English was a lottery winner. So there must another reason why such a man would make such a stupid statement. Voila!!! He's married to a Chinese woman and has Chinese offspring. Also, as a Caucasian woman, I find such a statement incredibly stupid and offensive. So now we know we're dealing with a racial degenerate. Also, as a Causcasian, Asians are inferior, second-tier to us. Derbyshire could avoid a lot of these problems. I commented before that when he makes an appearance at an AmRen conference, his wife and offspring could make public statements thanking him for allowing them to live and be born in the West. They would be thankful for the European blood that has improved their evolution. But he and they won't because Derbyshire really believes his dragon lady is the cause of the offspring's greatness.

    Here's another example of why a person's personal life is important. I read stuff on the alt-right and there's been some controversy over a couple of women - Lauren Southern and Tara McCarthy. It turns that (((Lauren Southern))) is Jewish and dates black men. There is nothing Jewish or black about the alt right. (((Southern))) has been milking white beta males through her fund raising accounts but spends her time with black guys. Tara McCarthy is busy hanging out with homos. Homosexuals have destroyed the RCC, the Boy Scouts, so many things. Homos are not a part of the alt-right. Also, she had a grandmother was was Jewish and East Indian. She is not Jewish and is Caucasian so she's ok. It's her homo stuff that's the problem. I follow Radio Aryan but some of those people are hooked on a racial purity that doesn't exist. Also, Hitler was most likely part Jewish, something they refuse to acknowledge. Plus they like China and Shia Muslims so that's another problem.

    Derbyshire's offspring could assimilate but today with international travel it is very easy for them to hook up with Asians. But, if they marry Asians they cannot be a part of the West. Fortunately, we're dealing with small numbers so we can nip this problem in the bud.

    Cecil Rhodes said that any one born English was a lottery winner.

    Cecil Rhodes evidently has never tasted good food or lived in a decent climate, and at the same time had a penchant for high taxes, crumbling expensive empires, and a security complex to watch his every move.
    Did I mention the fat ugly women?

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    What's your angle? No one is perfect. But you have to admit the English empire was the greatest ever. What's with the fat ugly women? The rumor is that Rhodes was a closeted homosexual.
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  96. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Yan Shen

    We can’t make whites as smart as East Asians; Mother Nature’s standing in the way.
     
    It's probably a little more complicated than that. The existing literature on intelligence suggests that East Asians exhibit a significant math/verbal split. They tend to score a little lower than whites on verbal reasoning, but typically score significantly higher on spatial/quantitative tests of aptitude.

    The most obvious manifestation of this is in the well documented East Asian tendency to skew towards STEM and away from the social sciences and humanities. Let me point out two additional facts that may not be as well known that are likely also the result of this math/verbal split. First, even within STEM East Asians exhibit a clear preference for the physical sciences over the life sciences and medicine. As noted by Simon Marginson in the quote below, China's rapid rise in science has been disproportionately concentrated in the quantitative STEM fields.


    "Take chemistry: in the year 2000, China published 3.7 per cent of all papers in chemistry in the Thomson-Reuters Web of Science collection, based on all Thomson-accredited English-language journals. In 2012, that proportion had reached 16.9 per cent, and China’s total quantity of chemistry papers exceeded that of the US. More strikingly, in 2000 China authored just 0.6 per cent of chemistry papers ranked in the global top one per cent on citation rate in the Web of Science. Only 12 years later, in 2012, China published 16.3 per cent of the leading one per cent of papers, half as many as the US – an astonishing rate of improvement. There were similar patterns in engineering, physics and computing – where China publishes more top one per cent papers than the US – and mathematics (NSF, 2014).

    China, Taiwan, Korea, Japan, and to some degree Singapore, have concentrated research development in the physical sciences and related applied fields like engineering, computing and materials. In Korea and Japan this supports advanced manufacturing. China also emphasises research that supports accelerated modernisation: energy, urbanisation, construction, transport and communications. At this stage medicine and life sciences are much weaker."
     

    Math/verbal split probably also explains why East Asia skews towards hardware and manufacturing as opposed to software and services, as is the case in the United States or India for instance. My guess is as East Asia further develops, we're increasingly likely to see these sorts of cognitive differences become more pronounced.

    “The most obvious manifestation of this is in the well documented East Asian tendency to skew towards STEM and away from the social sciences and humanities.”

    Yes, and here in Taiwan, the education is focused on STEM subjects. What’s being ignored is the driver, career success/money, plus, the preference for subjects where ability is most easily quantified, so that prejudice is minimized. If poets suddenly had the status and earning power of those skilled in STEM, east Asians would be writing sonnets.

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  97. Malla says:
    @Anonymous

    Hindus have a similar ‘ethno-spiritual’ worldview, which is why they are more adept at the chess game of power. They know how to play all pieces whereas East Asians are used to playing the subordinate pieces in serving whatever happens to the top man-made power.
     
    This is true in the West, Indians are much more like the Jews than East Asians due to their tribalism and loquaciousness. While East Asians tend to pursue the technical fields, Indians are increasingly pursuing professions that are dominated by the Jews such as law, investment banking, politics, journalism, civil service. However in ethnically mixed countries in Asia like Malaysia and Singapore, the Chinese who are much more entrepreneurial tend to be the business owners while the Indians either work for the Chinese, or are in criminal gangs and rob them blind.

    As far as East Asians drinking the Kool-aid by the buckets, I find that curious as well, since the Chinese in Asia are known for their pragmatism. But the biggest and most vocal progressive tards in the US (after the Jews and the blacks) are the Indians, from Sundra Pichai in Silicon Valley to Kshama Sawant, Pramila Jayapal, Kamala Harris in politics, to Aziz Ansari, Hasan Minaj, Kumail Nanjani in entertainment, all are left wing nuts and zealous anti-Trumpers. The current US ambassador to the UN Nikki Haley is such a staunch Zionist you almost wonder if she's sleeping with Natanyahu.

    Neither the Chinese nor the Indians can be trusted. In that regard they are like the Jews. They all lack that integrity chip that governs most protestant whites. I wouldn't say it's because of Christianity. Most Catholics and blacks (who are mostly protestant) are equally untrustworthy.

    I am Indian and I agree with you completely.

    However in ethnically mixed countries in Asia like Malaysia and Singapore, the Chinese who are much more entrepreneurial tend to be the business owners while the Indians either work for the Chinese, or are in criminal gangs and rob them blind.

    A rule of the universe, when dealing with browns especially mixed brown Caucasoids, the elites behave as Jews and the masses behave as gypsies. Akarlin called Indians a country of Gypsies ruled by Jews. That is one of the most accurate description of India and the subcontinent is general. But I can extend it to the Middle Easterners and North Africans too. Elite Indians, like those in the USA will hardly commit any blue collared crime and will be successful but will be cunning, nepotist, back stabbing, taking part in complex conspiracies, arrogant, corner cutting and will be more into White collared crime. The peasant stock will behave like gypsies and will be low IQ, cunning, nepotist, back stabbing, taking part in complex conspiracies, arrogant, corner cutting and will be more into Blue collared crime.They will remain the small shop keeper type or will fall into welfare and basically act as Mexicans with a lot of gangs and violence. Their neighbourhoods will resemble gypsy neighbourhoods of Romania.
    Indians in Malaysia and Singapore, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis in Britain and a good chunk of the Indian community in Canada are all peasant stock. Same with most of Algerians and other North Africans in France. Thus Gypsy behaviour.
    Most of the Indians in the USA, Britain and some of the Indians in Canada are mostly elite stock. hence Jewish behaviour.

    There are a few subcons who behave like White people, but they are a tiny tiny minority. Most of these tend to be successful professionals. They are mostly tasteful, honest, considerate, intelligent, basically first world people. But these types are a tiny tiny minority. Mostly Parsis or upper caste Brahmins or other upper castes, these Euro types are a tiny minority even in these castes. The typical Brahmin is more Jewish than Euro in temperament .

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    Nailed it I think. Quite a picture you have presented
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  98. Wade says:
    @D. K.
    What Mr. Unz' study actually found was that Harvard discriminated against non-Hispanic White Gentiles-- i.e., the American majority population, historically and still-- about twice as badly as it did against so-called "Asians" (a ludicrous amalgam of East Asian "Orientals"-- as we used to refer to them-- and South Asian Caucasians):

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/eliteenrollment-large.jpg

    Almost every other elite college and university that Mr. Unz studied, for that groundbreaking article, also discriminated against non-Hispanic White Gentiles more than against so-called Asians.

    In addition, since so-called Asian applicants skew so prominently toward intended STEM majors, it is only natural that fewer are admitted to liberal-arts colleges and universities, which need and accept a much wider variety of intended subject majors, than is the case at technical colleges and universities.

    Yeah I don’t know why the Derb doesn’t at least mention this aspect to the story. It would be the irony of ironies if the DOJ took some action against Harvard forcing them to make Asians 40% of the Harvard student body while allowing them to continue to discriminate against white Gentiles.

    What is happening to white gentiles in the US and the west in general is heartbreaking. Our own gentile leaders seems helpless to even address it. I wonder why.

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    Do you ever think that we're (white gentiles) being put through a crypto-eugenics program? I find it's a comforting thought. It would mean that our leaders aren't the evil scum they seem to be. Maybe there are just too many White gentile idiots and our leaders are helpfully shearing them off (opiod crisis, blue collar job loss). Future generations of White gentiles will be better off for it and will see our current hated politicians as heroes.
    , @utu

    why the Derb doesn’t at least mention this aspect to the story
     
    Perhaps because Derb avoids Jewish subjects unless he can praise their IQ and accomplishments.
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  99. @Frederick V. Reed
    Mr. Derbyshire may be the only race realist among the Race Realists. Given the huge gap between Asians and whites in STEM performance, affirmative action for whites--which is what quotas for Asians are--is the only way to keep the inferiority from becoming too obvious and leading to trouble.

    CalTech, with exceedingly high entrance requirements and no affirmative action, is indeed an indicator. The state is 15 percent Asian, about 40 percent white, but CalTech is 43 percent Asian. It is and 29 percent white though the state is roughly 40 percent white. The school is only 12 percent Hispanic (these are drawn from only those who speak English and have a high -school education) and one percent black. Take from the white figures an unknown proportion of Jews, and Eurowhites look dismal.

    Favoring less able whites over Asians will have the same effect on academic standards as favoring blacks over whites.
    America does not have enough Jews and Asians to balance the roughly one billion Han Chinese whom Beijing increasingly can deploy in technical fields. Three times as many barins, superior in any event, backed by intelligent government. We are, methinks, seeing the birth of the world’s last and genetically empire.

    Asians are good at getting into schools due to ‘culture crash(course)’, but grinds are just more diligent, not smarter.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFjOo00w-H8

    When Jews entered academia in big numbers, they had a major impact on culture and ideas, for good or ill.
    These Asians, in contrast, just parrot the official line set by others.

    Asians rising in ranks is bad for everyone.

    It’s bad for Asian community(and nations) since the western-educated Asian elites will not lead or serve Asians but just join the globo-PC privilege class and do the bidding of the Empire as its servitors. Look at Francis Fukuyama. Total servitor of Soros. Look at Amy Chua who raises her kids as Jewish. Ellen Pao married a homogro, and John Yoo defended torture. These are just as bad as white cucks.

    It’s also bad for whites since unimaginative and slavish Asian grinds focus on exams to take slots in academia while white gentiles are discriminated most in colleges that their ancestors built. It wouldn’t be so bad if Asians served historical America but they don’t. Since Asians are servile yellow dogs, they will serve the highest temporal power, and that happens to be Sorosian globo-homo-PC.

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    It’s also bad for whites since unimaginative and slavish Asian grinds
     
    Priss, do you find it curious that during the ages of greatest creativity for whites education was based precisely on rote memorization and slavishly grinding away?

    Only once creativity was palpably declining did people start wondering if we could boost it by getting rid of rote memorization and encouraging creativity explicitly.

    In other words, designing educational techniques meant to foster creativity is itself a response to declining creativity and an admission that that mysterious and poorly understood entity is fading away.

    Priss, you obviously want your group, whites, to become powerful again , but did you consider that you are only hurting yourself by denigrating effort and motivation?

    Jews and Asians are notorious for being slavish grinds, and they are wresting power out of the hands of whites, and curiously enough, when whites were slavish grinds they were at their most powerful.

    You are choosing to be emotionally comforted over facing hard cold facts when you affect such disdain for Asian grinds.

    It is defensive, and not an honest, painful staring of facts in the face and doing what it takes to change them.

    Constructing these little narratives about why Asian grinds aren't really equal to whites as Asians laughingly wrest power out of your hands may be emotionally comforting but it shows the loss of the harsh and realistic self-criticism whites used to be so good at and which helped propel them to the top of the world.

    It's emotionally incontinent. It's like the Chinese complacently assuring themselves they were "really" so superior to those Western barbarians, only to have the ground cave in under their feet and their entire world collapse around them a short time later.
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  100. AaronB says:
    @AaronB
    It's ineffective in the long run to deny Asians the place in our university system that their scores should earn them, and the suggestion is based on a fundamental misconception.

    The main difference between whites and Asians now is in motivation - whites simply aren't motivated to conquer the world anymore, Asians are.

    That being the case, any attempt on the part of whites to keep Asians out would bump up against this motivation differential, and is bound to fail.

    Whites simply won't be bothered to really do what it takes to keep Asians out for the same reason they aren't motivated to do what it takes to fill the ranks of our elite universities in the first place or eke out those extra few points on IQ tests - they simply don't care anymore.

    It's a perfectly normal movement in the cycle of nations. After empire, loss of interest in the "world".

    Asians right now have to vindicate themselves for their humiliations of the past few hundred years, and we should not put obstacles in their way.

    To expand on this, it’s well known that at IQ 130 and above, there are 8 time as many whites as Jews, yet Jews don’t exactly make up only one eighth of the various intellectual and professional classes.

    In many key fields, Jews are an astonishing two thirds!

    Obviously because of sheer numbers whites have the IQ advantage, but have pretty much given up the field.

    After empire, whites just aren’t motivated.

    Asians are about five percent of the population, and their one third of a standard deviation IQ advantage over whites should mean they at most should have ten percent of the positions in elite fields, yet they have much more.

    Obviously, IQ doesn’t have much to do with the distribution of whites, Asians, and Jews across elite fields in America.

    John Derbyshire says we should somehow muster the will power to keep Asians out. What he doesn’t understand is that if whites had that kind of willpower this wouldn’t be an issue to begin with.

    Whites would simply work as hard as Asians and Jews and naturally occupy the dominant position because of sheer numbers.

    If each group was equally motivated, whites would occupy something like 80% of all elite positions quite naturally and effortlessly.

    So John’a suggestions are just based on a misunderstanding. Guys like John and Steve Sailer are the high IQ leadership elite of the working classes. That strata of society doesn’t suffer from post-imperial fatigue because it never really had the chance to taste power and become disillusioned with it, so they haven’t had the chance to become decadent yet.

    But the white working classes simply don’t throw up enough high IQ individuals to create a new white leadership class that could replace the decadent old one which isn’t interested in power anymore, so the return to empire-phase that John, Sailer, and Trump are trying to bring about couldn’t really replicate the glories of old.

    It may be a metaphor, but nations really do follow a cyclical pattern like people do, they grow old and decline just like people.

    We may not know the mechanism involved at this point, but there is no denying that it’s s fact of history.

    Let’s not be the national equivalent of the old man who dyes his hair and hangs out at bars pestering girls.

    For the purposes of international harmony Asians need to vindicate their honor, and the sooner they do so the better for the whole world.

    Whites, who have nothing to vindicate, can return to the life of the Spirit.

    Whites brought the nightmare of modernity into the world, it would make sense if whites were the first to emerge from the nightmare and show the way out.

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    Whites brought the nightmare of modernity into the world, it would make sense if whites were the first to emerge from the nightmare and show the way out.
     
    It appears the enlightened liberals have found a way out for us all -- through drugs, alcohol, rap, debauchery, deceit, narcissism, warmongering, open borders, homosexuality, gender confusion, identity politics, victimhood mentality, social justice, war on free speech, utter depravity.

    Once again God's chosen people are here to lead us to the promised land.

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  101. Wade says:
    @Yan Shen

    I do know, though, that if we adopt Derbian Minimalism as our immigration policy with 1) no further settlement of foreigners from anywhere and 2) severe restrictions on numbers of foreign students, we might at least stabilize the situation.
     
    As a traditional nationalist, I'm generally in favor of America smartly evaluating its immigration policies. I don't know if I could go as far as Derbian Minimalism. For starters, that would've eliminated someone like John Derbyshire coming over to the US from the UK. I think more generally speaking we should reduce legal immigration, make sure colleges don't favor foreign students over domestic ones, and adopt a sane immigration policy based mostly on merit. So while the Derb and I might not quite agree on the extent to which we should curtail immigration, I think we're mostly on the same page and want to move in the same direction.

    Where I'm less convinced is that curtailing immigration will somehow make everything all perfect once again. Given today's increasingly global society, countries are competitively affected even by other nations far away. As the hysteria of Japan bashing during the late 1980s and early 1990s in America showed, bad feelings can arise even when the offending people live thousands of miles away from you.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1991/06/16/europes-new-rage-japan-bashing/0b9b1f7b-e578-4aae-926b-e2bdd6809f68/?utm_term=.591409152e30


    A new wave of anti-Japanese sentiment is spreading across Europe as public admiration for Japan's remarkable postwar recovery is rapidly turning to fear that its economic juggernaut will soon smash key industries, conquer the unifying European market and transform the continent into an industrial colony.

    Books and newspapers are jammed with references to the "Japanese peril." The Japanese "salaryman's" arduous office hours, skimpy vacations and fanatical work ethic are scorned in France and Germany as anathema to an enlightened lifestyle, yet considered a warning of what the future might bring if Japanese firms succeed in dominating the European economy.
     

    Competition with China or Japan certainly isn't going to disappear just because there are fewer Chinese or Japanese living in the United States!

    Where I’m less convinced is that curtailing immigration will somehow make everything all perfect once again. Given today’s increasingly global society, countries are competitively affected even by other nations far away. As the hysteria of Japan bashing during the late 1980s and early 1990s in America showed, bad feelings can arise even when the offending people live thousands of miles away from you.

    I agree with you 100%. I remember this. There were many Americans who lost income or were forced to change how they worked due to their business models being challenged by global competition.

    However, the case of the US falling from #1 to #2 or 3 on some economic metric or another is not so bad as long as there’s still an “us” left around to pick up the pieces and do it together. My wife whose been to Japan before talked with me just last night about how much more “racist” (she didn’t mean the term in a negative way) the Japanese have become, greatly distrusting outsiders, with the possible exception of Tokyo which is still somewhat hospitable to tourists. For example it’s not uncommon for them to get very annoyed when overhearing tourists speak aloud their European language within earshot. She put a positive spin on it by explaining, “the Japanese, though, are very proud of their country and their culture.”

    Indeed. We can learn to take pride in ourselves even if we are not #1 in every conceivable thing. One of our greatest obstacles politically I believe is that we don’t want to give up our supreme military dominance. I think we need to get out of the Middle East ASAP and start using our military and our resources more sparingly so we can regroup and rebuild at home. This is of course one of the cornerstones of a forward looking policy where the US looks more inward for efforts at self improvement.

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  102. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @attilathehen
    "W e can’t make whites as smart as East Asians; Mother Nature’s standing in the way." Derbyshire is the gift that gives on giving. So, what he did was marry a Chinese woman and got 2 average, troubled Chinese offspring. Mother Nature played a joke on him.

    Mother Nature stood in the way when the Greeks laid down the foundations for science, mathematics, philosophy - the systems needed for conquering and mastering and understanding the world. I guess Mother Nature was peeved at the Chinese and Japanese and decided to give the Europeans an upper hand.

    Mother Nature stood in the way when the Industrial Revolution took off in England. Mother Nature was again peeved at the Chinese. For example, before the Chinese Exclusion Act of the USA, the Chinese were working with whites on the railroads. When they were expelled, did they go back and turn China into an industrial power with the knowledge they gained in the West? No.

    Mother Nature stood in the way of Japan becoming an industrialized country. She let the shogunate close off Japan. Mother Nature again gave her European offspring the upper hand by allowing Capt. Matthew Perry to overthrow the shogunate and force Japan to modernize.

    Today, everyone praises the talent of classical Asian musicians. But what kind of music are they playing? Classical Asian music? No. Dead white male music.

    Derbyshire you really out did yourself with the above comment. I'll let you respond. Tell us what Asian science, philsophy, music changed and conquered the world?

    Derbyshire is a pseudo-intellectual retard who went to a third-rate school. And his yellow fever is further affecting his limited and decaying brain. All of higher math was founded by white gentile males. Fermat, Fourier, Leplace, Boole, Lagrange, Reimann, Galois, Bernoulli, Cauchy, Pascal, Weierstrass, Descartes, Poincaré, Euler, Godel, Frege, … But hey, worker-bot orientals whose free time during high school is spent at SAT prep schools are the real geniuses because they can do well on the standardized tests which were developed by that proceeding group of (((intellectual middlemen))) to get into these same schools founded by white gentiles.

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    Which Anonymous are you? There are several. One is an anti-white Turk who finally outed himself, and then there's another Anonymous claiming he's a white man.
    , @PiltdownMan
    Derbyshire went to Imperial College, London. If you think that's a "third-rate school" you are ignorant.

    It easily makes any world top-ten list and is #2 in the U.K. for STEM, ranking behind only Cambridge. It easily ranks above Dartmouth or UPenn.
    , @Biff

    All of higher math was founded by white gentile males.
     
    That would be Islam in the sixth century AD. Algebra is an Arab term, and so is the concept of zero.
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  103. AaronB says:
    @Priss Factor
    Asians are good at getting into schools due to 'culture crash(course)', but grinds are just more diligent, not smarter.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFjOo00w-H8

    When Jews entered academia in big numbers, they had a major impact on culture and ideas, for good or ill.
    These Asians, in contrast, just parrot the official line set by others.

    Asians rising in ranks is bad for everyone.

    It's bad for Asian community(and nations) since the western-educated Asian elites will not lead or serve Asians but just join the globo-PC privilege class and do the bidding of the Empire as its servitors. Look at Francis Fukuyama. Total servitor of Soros. Look at Amy Chua who raises her kids as Jewish. Ellen Pao married a homogro, and John Yoo defended torture. These are just as bad as white cucks.

    It's also bad for whites since unimaginative and slavish Asian grinds focus on exams to take slots in academia while white gentiles are discriminated most in colleges that their ancestors built. It wouldn't be so bad if Asians served historical America but they don't. Since Asians are servile yellow dogs, they will serve the highest temporal power, and that happens to be Sorosian globo-homo-PC.

    It’s also bad for whites since unimaginative and slavish Asian grinds

    Priss, do you find it curious that during the ages of greatest creativity for whites education was based precisely on rote memorization and slavishly grinding away?

    Only once creativity was palpably declining did people start wondering if we could boost it by getting rid of rote memorization and encouraging creativity explicitly.

    In other words, designing educational techniques meant to foster creativity is itself a response to declining creativity and an admission that that mysterious and poorly understood entity is fading away.

    Priss, you obviously want your group, whites, to become powerful again , but did you consider that you are only hurting yourself by denigrating effort and motivation?

    Jews and Asians are notorious for being slavish grinds, and they are wresting power out of the hands of whites, and curiously enough, when whites were slavish grinds they were at their most powerful.

    You are choosing to be emotionally comforted over facing hard cold facts when you affect such disdain for Asian grinds.

    It is defensive, and not an honest, painful staring of facts in the face and doing what it takes to change them.

    Constructing these little narratives about why Asian grinds aren’t really equal to whites as Asians laughingly wrest power out of your hands may be emotionally comforting but it shows the loss of the harsh and realistic self-criticism whites used to be so good at and which helped propel them to the top of the world.

    It’s emotionally incontinent. It’s like the Chinese complacently assuring themselves they were “really” so superior to those Western barbarians, only to have the ground cave in under their feet and their entire world collapse around them a short time later.

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    Priss, do you find it curious that during the ages of greatest creativity for whites education was based precisely on rote memorization and slavishly grinding away?

     

    No. Creativity doesn't appear in an empty box. To be creative/inventive, whether in science or the arts, you have to first know things. Preferably lots of things. Teaching via "rote" (a now-loaded term which really just means teaching facts) gives you the foundation on which to build.

    Similarly, "slavishly grinding away" -- by which you mean persistence and resolve -- is also necessary, whether it's trying the 200th variation on your invention or the 50th revision of your novel.

    Only once creativity was palpably declining did people start wondering if we could boost it by getting rid of rote memorization and encouraging creativity explicitly.

     

    No. The move away from "rote" learning (i.e. sensible pedagogy) was entirely political, and designed to better inculcate students in "proper values," i.e. progressive dogma. The Protestant loonies -- Puritan types -- actually started this mania a long time ago, which is why they invented public schools in the first place: to propagandize. They created the infrastructure that Jews so easily wrested from them to drive even further to the Left. Puritans are fanatical about causes, but as the 20th century rolled on, it was the Jews who came up with the causes. That's how we went from, say, Prohibition to Feminism. One was very Protestant, the other very Jewish, but Puritans were on board for both.

    In other words, designing educational techniques meant to foster creativity is itself a response to declining creativity and an admission that that mysterious and poorly understood entity is fading away.
     
    You cannot "foster creativity." That's a giant lie peddled by the educrats. It's also convenient, in that a teacher who is there to "foster creativity" doesn't need to actually KNOW anything, doesn't need to be educated or intelligent. So thousands of dopes get churned out with education degrees, a degree that verifies you have been taught a giant pile of lies and destructive nonsense.

    The result has been that students no longer receive a basic education -- all that "rote" stuff -- nor learn how to do anything -- all that "slavish grinding" -- and so they are empty vessels from which no creativity can spring. Even if you are naturally creative, if you know nothing your creativity has nothing to do.
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  104. nsa says:

    Harvard and Yale student bodies are both about 25% jooie i.e. these traditionally wasp private institutions have morphed into vehicles for jooie dominance of the bovine white masses of asses. The author of this stupid article is simply using the low profile asians to make some goofy obtuse argument re race quotas …..proving once again that the vile brits are as self-serving as the even more vile jooies, and anything either of these outfits are promoting is not going to be good for working white Americans.

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    Harvard and Yale student bodies are both about 25% jooie

    [Drums fingers]

    https://sites.google.com/site/nuritbaytch/
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  105. @Art Deco
    The pupose of this website is to defend traditional white values and ways of life, isn’t it?

    No, the purpose is to find a collection of conceited cranks and provide them a forum to display whatever confusions are between their ears.

    No, the purpose is to find a collection of conceited cranks and provide them a forum to display whatever confusions are between their ears.

    No, the purpose of this website is to give a voice to the independent thinkers who hold views that are not necessarily aligned with the mainstream. I for one am very thankful to Ron Unz for the existence of this website. It is now my favorite website.

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    No, the purpose of this website is to give a voice to the independent thinkers

    Schizophrenics are independent thinkers.



    not necessarily aligned with the mainstream.

    Rather fanciful notions which attribute all the trouble in the world to the State of Israel (pop. 8,000,000) are indeed outside the mainstream. Cannot imagine why.
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  106. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Thomm
    False. I am a white guy who admires successful immigrants. I would take any type of Asian ahead of WN wiggers like you.

    Get a clue, faggot.

    Lots of Indians love to claim that they are “caucasoids” or “Aryan descendants” therefore “white”. No one else but Indians buy it.

    You are white in your own imagination. You’re fooling no one.

    800 million Indians still defecate out in the open, and we need to rely on them to lead us into the future? What a joke! Indians are the bullshit artists of the east. The Jews only prop them up as CEOs because they are easily manipulated.

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  107. How many Asians are there in the world?

    Over 4 billion.

    Which Asians do you think are managing to get citizenship in the US?

    The wealthy and smart ones.

    What happens when both children and their parents know that doing well academically can earn them a ticket out of whatever shitty country they hail from and to a new life in America?

    Giant industries emerge to provide students with the sort of training (e.g., SAT tutoring centers, international schools, home tutors who make up to $100 per hour) they need to outcompete others for slots in American schools. Wealthy parents pay whatever is necessary to make sure their kids get this training. Students spend their childhoods sitting at their desks until they develop blod clots in their legs to take advantage of this training (often regardless of whether they want to, thanks to their parents). At the same time, sophisticated and very profitable networks emerge for obtaining American passports for families who want to become American citizens or simply for children whose parents want them to become American citizens.

    This problem has nothing to do with Asians being smarter than Caucasians, as anyone who has spent significant time in Asian countries should know. It has to do with the selective immigration of some of the smartest Asians in the world from a staggering large pool of Asian students (over ten times the size of the US student population), many of whom have been preparing themselves to be the best university applicants they can possibly be since elementary school. They are willing to do whatever it takes to bring themselves (and their money) to America, and the American universities are more than happy to accept them (and their money), even if it means everyone else has to suffer. I’ve tutored and I’ve worked at both international and local schools in Mainland China for over a decade, and what I’m describing is what I witness every single day. It seems like almost all my wealthy students, most of whom are in middle or elementary school, have somehow managed to get American (or Canadian or Australian) passports despite having spent virtually no time abroad. Few of them can string together a grammatically correct sentence in English, but they’re already taking pre-pre-pre-pre-SAT courses for 600 RMB per hour and will be ready to take your kids’ university spots in a decade or so — after all, they have every right to do so as “American citizens.” I suppose the situation wouldn’t be so heinous if the vast majority of these students remained in the US for the rest of their lives after attending university there. However, family ties and government efforts (money, jobs, and status) to entice them back to China after graduation ensure that many of them will eventually return to China, which means the end effect is that American universities are choosing to educate China’s (and other countries’) “American” students at the expense of real American students because it’s more profitable for them to do this.

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    However, family ties and government efforts (money, jobs, and status) to entice them back to China after graduation ensure that many of them will eventually return to China
     
    If that is true our east and west coasts would not look like the Chinese and Indian colonies that they are. Unfortunately most do not return, they find every way to stay, even illegally. The only ones who could afford to move here are the corrupt elite and their offspring. Many lied in their applications and cheated in their exams to get into our colleges. Many colleges know this but turn a blind eye because they want the money, so they can continue to run wasteful programs like the Diversity Department or Center for Social Change. Most colleges today are run by Jews. The Jews like Jared Kushner are conspiring with corrupt Chinese and Indian elites to bring in mass numbers of Chinese and Indian nationals to enrich themselves and keep themselves at the top. The Asians know that America is for sale - by the Jews who run this country.
    , @norse nestor

    How many Asians are there in the world?

    Over 4 billion.
     
    we need borders
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  108. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Truth
    Wait a minute, Jimbrowski I'm having trouble understanding here, are you standing with The Derb, or against him?

    If the “Derb” said you had a beautiful body would you hold it against him?

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  109. Art Deco says:
    @Orwellian State

    No, the purpose is to find a collection of conceited cranks and provide them a forum to display whatever confusions are between their ears.
     
    No, the purpose of this website is to give a voice to the independent thinkers who hold views that are not necessarily aligned with the mainstream. I for one am very thankful to Ron Unz for the existence of this website. It is now my favorite website.

    No, the purpose of this website is to give a voice to the independent thinkers

    Schizophrenics are independent thinkers.

    not necessarily aligned with the mainstream.

    Rather fanciful notions which attribute all the trouble in the world to the State of Israel (pop. 8,000,000) are indeed outside the mainstream. Cannot imagine why.

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    Do me a favor; run down the list of article authors and tell me which ones "attribute all the trouble in the world to the State of Israel".
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  110. Art Deco says:
    @nsa
    Harvard and Yale student bodies are both about 25% jooie i.e. these traditionally wasp private institutions have morphed into vehicles for jooie dominance of the bovine white masses of asses. The author of this stupid article is simply using the low profile asians to make some goofy obtuse argument re race quotas .....proving once again that the vile brits are as self-serving as the even more vile jooies, and anything either of these outfits are promoting is not going to be good for working white Americans.

    Harvard and Yale student bodies are both about 25% jooie

    [Drums fingers]

    https://sites.google.com/site/nuritbaytch/

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    Ah, my (and Mr. Unz') good friend, Nurit:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/asian-quotas-in-the-ivy-league-we-see-nothing/

    I have been waiting years for her to return to enlighten us further....
    , @Ron Unz

    Harvard and Yale student bodies are both about 25% jooie

    [Drums fingers]

    https://sites.google.com/site/nuritbaytch/
     
    Ha, ha. "Art Deco" is just one of those fanatic Jewish-activist types who spend their time hanging around my website. Regarding Jewish-related issues, he's about as trustworthy and objective as the ADL...

    I'm much too busy to get involved in this comment-thread, but I can refer people to an extended discussion I had a couple of years back:

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/who-knew-haven-monahan-had-transferred-from-uva-to-ucla/?commenterfilter=ron_unz

    Basically, one of the tricks he and his friends are pulling is to narrowly define "Jewish" in the religious sense, which drastically reduces the total numbers at Harvard and elsewhere.

    Back during the 1950s, they often used a similar trick regarding Communism. Clearly Communists aren't religious, so they therefore argued that there obviously weren't any Jewish Communists.

    If you agree that there's never been a single Jewish Communist then you should definitely accept his current gallons of squid-ink...
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  111. @Florin N.
    Distilled to its essence, 'diversity' is and has ever been a tool by which Jews, and only Jews, retained absolutely massive over-representation at top schools (and over-representation beyond merit... few don't agree Jews would 'naturally' enjoy healthy over-representation)... at the expense of European-Americans and Asian-Americans, better qualified and eho would compete with them... while giving their seats to underqualified non-Asian minority students.

    For decades.


    This may have been the very purpose of a scheme which pretended to address socio-economic disparities while ignoring the 'root' of the problem, part of which is bad schools in poor hoods and part of which is cultural/ethical.


    Hollywood has been 'kept' Jewish for decades and everyone knows it and everyone is supposed to agree it is 'hate' to mention it... unless you frame it as 'achievement' rather than the hyperethnonepotism necessarily at play to keep a ti y ethnoreligious minority in, essentially, control of our entertainment and news media.

    Not many movies about the Palestinians' sufferings... or about the barbarities of the Bolsheviks, are there?


    The top schools are dens of Jewish ethnonepotism, just as the 'anti-White' cult of 'whiteness studies' is nearly as Jewish as the neoconservative movement.

    The top schools are dens of Jewish ethnonepotism, just as the ‘anti-White’ cult of ‘whiteness studies’ is nearly as Jewish as the neoconservative movement.

    Brilliant observation. Couldn’t agree more.

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    @Art Deco
    No, the purpose of this website is to give a voice to the independent thinkers

    Schizophrenics are independent thinkers.



    not necessarily aligned with the mainstream.

    Rather fanciful notions which attribute all the trouble in the world to the State of Israel (pop. 8,000,000) are indeed outside the mainstream. Cannot imagine why.

    Do me a favor; run down the list of article authors and tell me which ones “attribute all the trouble in the world to the State of Israel”.

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  113. @Jim Christian
    Attila asked a question. What do or did Japan or China ever invent, or do anything that was new other than copy and of course, re-engineer in its own name? Oh, and out-and-out steal the industrial secrets they needed from us?

    This isn't a personal matter, except you certainly took it that way. And you and the Derbs say?

    What do or did Japan or China ever invent, or do anything that was new other than copy and of course, re-engineer in its own name?

    Well the Chinese invented gunpowder which the Europeans re-engineered in their own names to great effect.

    Japan went from being in feudal isolationism in a hundred years to being at the forefront of aviation 20 years after it was invented, landing planes on wooden aircraft carriers. All over the world, the Europeans had the Maxim gun and only them, and they never had to worry about colonial subjects getting guns because even when they eventually did get their hands on them, they still had to rely on Europeans to supply them ammo and couldn’t produce any themselves.

    Japan, both before isolationism with Portuguese and after it, would do that ridiculous thing that Europeans sometimes worried about but never happened anywhere else in the world in the whole colonial period – they would take apart the guns, copy the design and start producing their own.

    At the end of the isolation period the Japanese recapitulated European political history in the blink of an eye, going from a hereditary military nobility straight to a technocratic bureaucracy and from isolationism to empire fighting for control of the resources need to supply modernized militaries. Lightning fast adaptation.

    You can knock them for falling backwards technologically during the Japanese isolation period, but it is worth noting that while true isolationism doesn’t work, while it lasted it was known as the Japanese golden age.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Japanese_inventions

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  114. Bill says:
    @Hail
    I don't know about "No part."

    Would a random selection from the phone book (if those still exist) be better?

    Of course not.

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  115. @AaronB
    To expand on this, it's well known that at IQ 130 and above, there are 8 time as many whites as Jews, yet Jews don't exactly make up only one eighth of the various intellectual and professional classes.

    In many key fields, Jews are an astonishing two thirds!

    Obviously because of sheer numbers whites have the IQ advantage, but have pretty much given up the field.

    After empire, whites just aren't motivated.

    Asians are about five percent of the population, and their one third of a standard deviation IQ advantage over whites should mean they at most should have ten percent of the positions in elite fields, yet they have much more.

    Obviously, IQ doesn't have much to do with the distribution of whites, Asians, and Jews across elite fields in America.

    John Derbyshire says we should somehow muster the will power to keep Asians out. What he doesn't understand is that if whites had that kind of willpower this wouldn't be an issue to begin with.

    Whites would simply work as hard as Asians and Jews and naturally occupy the dominant position because of sheer numbers.

    If each group was equally motivated, whites would occupy something like 80% of all elite positions quite naturally and effortlessly.

    So John'a suggestions are just based on a misunderstanding. Guys like John and Steve Sailer are the high IQ leadership elite of the working classes. That strata of society doesn't suffer from post-imperial fatigue because it never really had the chance to taste power and become disillusioned with it, so they haven't had the chance to become decadent yet.

    But the white working classes simply don't throw up enough high IQ individuals to create a new white leadership class that could replace the decadent old one which isn't interested in power anymore, so the return to empire-phase that John, Sailer, and Trump are trying to bring about couldn't really replicate the glories of old.

    It may be a metaphor, but nations really do follow a cyclical pattern like people do, they grow old and decline just like people.

    We may not know the mechanism involved at this point, but there is no denying that it's s fact of history.

    Let's not be the national equivalent of the old man who dyes his hair and hangs out at bars pestering girls.

    For the purposes of international harmony Asians need to vindicate their honor, and the sooner they do so the better for the whole world.

    Whites, who have nothing to vindicate, can return to the life of the Spirit.

    Whites brought the nightmare of modernity into the world, it would make sense if whites were the first to emerge from the nightmare and show the way out.

    Whites brought the nightmare of modernity into the world, it would make sense if whites were the first to emerge from the nightmare and show the way out.

    It appears the enlightened liberals have found a way out for us all — through drugs, alcohol, rap, debauchery, deceit, narcissism, warmongering, open borders, homosexuality, gender confusion, identity politics, victimhood mentality, social justice, war on free speech, utter depravity.

    Once again God’s chosen people are here to lead us to the promised land.

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    Obviously, that's not the way out of modernity, that is modernity. But you know that.

    We live in a world whites ushered into existence, and we all suffer for it.

    We have poor souls like Yan Shen tortured by the thought that Asians may not, after all, quite measure up to whites and spending hours on the Internet trying to prove to himself this isn't true.

    You have guys like Priss seeing his people lose wealth and power and instead of facing the causes of this head on construct consoling narratives about unimaginative Asian grinds.

    All of this because whites created a materialistic world that only values wealth and power, so naturally everyone's self esteem depends on how they measure up in this regard.

    Just as Asians have become infected with the mind disease of power, whites have grown disillusioned with it.

    Just as whites led the world into darkness, maybe they can now lead us into light?

    That would make a great deal of sense - the people who had the disease of materialism the worst, if they didn't die from it, can now show us all the cure and the way out.

    It would also be karmic atonement for the past five hundred years.

    I predict the northern European people's are on the brink of their period of great religious and spiritual creativity, once the hangover of materialism is over.

    Let the Jews and the Asians pursue their fevered dreams of power, whites have had more power than anyone else, and are no longer willing to be "slavish grinds" for its sake.

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  116. @D. K.
    What Mr. Unz' study actually found was that Harvard discriminated against non-Hispanic White Gentiles-- i.e., the American majority population, historically and still-- about twice as badly as it did against so-called "Asians" (a ludicrous amalgam of East Asian "Orientals"-- as we used to refer to them-- and South Asian Caucasians):

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/eliteenrollment-large.jpg

    Almost every other elite college and university that Mr. Unz studied, for that groundbreaking article, also discriminated against non-Hispanic White Gentiles more than against so-called Asians.

    In addition, since so-called Asian applicants skew so prominently toward intended STEM majors, it is only natural that fewer are admitted to liberal-arts colleges and universities, which need and accept a much wider variety of intended subject majors, than is the case at technical colleges and universities.

    Even Derbs premise falls short, forget meritocracy and fairness. The real world implication is that white nations become where the worlds elites thrive and whites become and underclass with no where to retreat to.
    It is not good for whites to turn over their nations to jews asians or the top .00001% of all the worlds races no matter what their merit based rating might be. White natins were built by and for whites if the world thinks it needs te united nations to open universities lets see if they can do it, so far the higher IQ jews and east asians cant create an entire nation universities included , we may have an edge that gives us the whole package. by allowing our universities to be universalties we in reality turn our nation also over to rule by non white graduates and of course they then run our nation for universalist cog elites. This is really unhealthy for whites, theres good reason to think it may be unhealthy for the world including jews and east asians. To them universalism is a scam they can exploit to us its a value. Now its true it may be a suicidal value or I think more likely its suicidal if we do not practice it from the safety of our own nation ethno state. In short whites are a good in the world when they are strong enough, but can not be that good if we are overrun.
    Even if ot turns out we are not so good that if allowed by our cog elite masters to again compete as one of a couple hundred other ethno nation states for our specific ethnic interests, well thats still righteous and fair, there’s no cosmic law that says whites must heal the world thats the jew law let them have at it.
    griffe du lion calculated that 2% american jews having 50% of wealth and power could be accounted for by IQ alone, I am a bit skeptical but am not up to his math skills maybe derb can comment. Point is east asians are no less tribal than jews and though the IQ edge is less they are going to far exceed 2% even without the black hispanic cutouts this puts whites at a huge minority in their own elites and two high IQ tribal groups ahead and worse our white cog elites are least capable of understanding the problem and dangers of this so its not even like we have a 20% white elite fighting like hell for white interests they are fighting like hell against white interests. Its of course simply incredible, and no one but Ivy league grads seem to be able to make any sense of it it just seems like suicide to te rest of us followed by the end of the world without us.But of course they harvard grads and Im a steamfitter

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    griffe du lion calculated that 2% american jews having 50% of wealth and power could be accounted for by IQ alone

    No, their math is crap. They engaged in circular reasoning by assuming that Jewish distribution must have a fatter tail and then they adjusted the fatness of the tail to reflect Jewish over representation. This kind of games are played to avoid looking at more obvious explanations like tribalism, ethnic nepotism and other personality qualities that are not related to IQ.
    , @Bach

    Point is east asians are no less tribal than jews
     
    Keep on thinking that. Keep on enabling.
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  117. @Conor McGregor
    How many Asians are there in the world?

    Over 4 billion.

    Which Asians do you think are managing to get citizenship in the US?

    The wealthy and smart ones.

    What happens when both children and their parents know that doing well academically can earn them a ticket out of whatever shitty country they hail from and to a new life in America?

    Giant industries emerge to provide students with the sort of training (e.g., SAT tutoring centers, international schools, home tutors who make up to $100 per hour) they need to outcompete others for slots in American schools. Wealthy parents pay whatever is necessary to make sure their kids get this training. Students spend their childhoods sitting at their desks until they develop blod clots in their legs to take advantage of this training (often regardless of whether they want to, thanks to their parents). At the same time, sophisticated and very profitable networks emerge for obtaining American passports for families who want to become American citizens or simply for children whose parents want them to become American citizens.

    This problem has nothing to do with Asians being smarter than Caucasians, as anyone who has spent significant time in Asian countries should know. It has to do with the selective immigration of some of the smartest Asians in the world from a staggering large pool of Asian students (over ten times the size of the US student population), many of whom have been preparing themselves to be the best university applicants they can possibly be since elementary school. They are willing to do whatever it takes to bring themselves (and their money) to America, and the American universities are more than happy to accept them (and their money), even if it means everyone else has to suffer. I've tutored and I've worked at both international and local schools in Mainland China for over a decade, and what I'm describing is what I witness every single day. It seems like almost all my wealthy students, most of whom are in middle or elementary school, have somehow managed to get American (or Canadian or Australian) passports despite having spent virtually no time abroad. Few of them can string together a grammatically correct sentence in English, but they're already taking pre-pre-pre-pre-SAT courses for 600 RMB per hour and will be ready to take your kids' university spots in a decade or so -- after all, they have every right to do so as "American citizens." I suppose the situation wouldn't be so heinous if the vast majority of these students remained in the US for the rest of their lives after attending university there. However, family ties and government efforts (money, jobs, and status) to entice them back to China after graduation ensure that many of them will eventually return to China, which means the end effect is that American universities are choosing to educate China's (and other countries') "American" students at the expense of real American students because it's more profitable for them to do this.

    However, family ties and government efforts (money, jobs, and status) to entice them back to China after graduation ensure that many of them will eventually return to China

    If that is true our east and west coasts would not look like the Chinese and Indian colonies that they are. Unfortunately most do not return, they find every way to stay, even illegally. The only ones who could afford to move here are the corrupt elite and their offspring. Many lied in their applications and cheated in their exams to get into our colleges. Many colleges know this but turn a blind eye because they want the money, so they can continue to run wasteful programs like the Diversity Department or Center for Social Change. Most colleges today are run by Jews. The Jews like Jared Kushner are conspiring with corrupt Chinese and Indian elites to bring in mass numbers of Chinese and Indian nationals to enrich themselves and keep themselves at the top. The Asians know that America is for sale – by the Jews who run this country.

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  118. peterike says:
    @AaronB

    It’s also bad for whites since unimaginative and slavish Asian grinds
     
    Priss, do you find it curious that during the ages of greatest creativity for whites education was based precisely on rote memorization and slavishly grinding away?

    Only once creativity was palpably declining did people start wondering if we could boost it by getting rid of rote memorization and encouraging creativity explicitly.

    In other words, designing educational techniques meant to foster creativity is itself a response to declining creativity and an admission that that mysterious and poorly understood entity is fading away.

    Priss, you obviously want your group, whites, to become powerful again , but did you consider that you are only hurting yourself by denigrating effort and motivation?

    Jews and Asians are notorious for being slavish grinds, and they are wresting power out of the hands of whites, and curiously enough, when whites were slavish grinds they were at their most powerful.

    You are choosing to be emotionally comforted over facing hard cold facts when you affect such disdain for Asian grinds.

    It is defensive, and not an honest, painful staring of facts in the face and doing what it takes to change them.

    Constructing these little narratives about why Asian grinds aren't really equal to whites as Asians laughingly wrest power out of your hands may be emotionally comforting but it shows the loss of the harsh and realistic self-criticism whites used to be so good at and which helped propel them to the top of the world.

    It's emotionally incontinent. It's like the Chinese complacently assuring themselves they were "really" so superior to those Western barbarians, only to have the ground cave in under their feet and their entire world collapse around them a short time later.

    Priss, do you find it curious that during the ages of greatest creativity for whites education was based precisely on rote memorization and slavishly grinding away?

    No. Creativity doesn’t appear in an empty box. To be creative/inventive, whether in science or the arts, you have to first know things. Preferably lots of things. Teaching via “rote” (a now-loaded term which really just means teaching facts) gives you the foundation on which to build.

    Similarly, “slavishly grinding away” — by which you mean persistence and resolve — is also necessary, whether it’s trying the 200th variation on your invention or the 50th revision of your novel.

    Only once creativity was palpably declining did people start wondering if we could boost it by getting rid of rote memorization and encouraging creativity explicitly.

    No. The move away from “rote” learning (i.e. sensible pedagogy) was entirely political, and designed to better inculcate students in “proper values,” i.e. progressive dogma. The Protestant loonies — Puritan types — actually started this mania a long time ago, which is why they invented public schools in the first place: to propagandize. They created the infrastructure that Jews so easily wrested from them to drive even further to the Left. Puritans are fanatical about causes, but as the 20th century rolled on, it was the Jews who came up with the causes. That’s how we went from, say, Prohibition to Feminism. One was very Protestant, the other very Jewish, but Puritans were on board for both.

    In other words, designing educational techniques meant to foster creativity is itself a response to declining creativity and an admission that that mysterious and poorly understood entity is fading away.

    You cannot “foster creativity.” That’s a giant lie peddled by the educrats. It’s also convenient, in that a teacher who is there to “foster creativity” doesn’t need to actually KNOW anything, doesn’t need to be educated or intelligent. So thousands of dopes get churned out with education degrees, a degree that verifies you have been taught a giant pile of lies and destructive nonsense.

    The result has been that students no longer receive a basic education — all that “rote” stuff — nor learn how to do anything — all that “slavish grinding” — and so they are empty vessels from which no creativity can spring. Even if you are naturally creative, if you know nothing your creativity has nothing to do.

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    I largely agree with your comment, but I don't think Priss agrees. He brought up Asian hard work as if it's a negative, which is strangely common among whites upset over the rise of Asians, and like to pretend their own rise was utterly effortless and not based on tremendous hard work!

    Anyone seriously interested in reversing white decline would immediately identify its cause in a radical collapse in motivation - an unwilling to do the incredibly hard work needed to gain and keep power, an unwillingness to "grind" - and not console himself with fairy takes of an effortless white rise without insane amounts of hard work.

    Of course, from my point of view I think it's wonderful that whites are no longer willing to be slavish grinds for the sake of power, and I feel sorry for Asians and Jews.

    But if Priss has enough insight to realize that being a slavish grind sucks, he should understand what that really means.

    Also, I think the "creativity" movement only came onto the scene when creativity was drying up. If the system was still producing creativity no one would have thought it needed to be fixed.

    After that, it may have been used for propoganda purposes.

    So I differ with you on that, mainly.
    , @Orwellian State

    You cannot “foster creativity.” That’s a giant lie peddled by the educrats.
     
    How true. The Chosen who've been running our media, academia, Hollywood have been selling us depravity as creativity for far too long. Their rot is now finally being thrown out into the open. The emperor has no clothes. Meanwhile the educrats have equated all hard work with "rote learning" that hinders creativity and we ended up with generations of poorly educated, mathematically incompetent know nothing yet over confident "college" grads for 4 decades. The brain dead, hypocritical and morally bankrupt left are running western civilization to the ground.
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  119. renfro says:

    Asians eat cats and dogs….that tells you all you need to know about them….and their IQ.

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  120. peterike says:

    1. Harvard should be allowed to admit anyone they want, for any reason whatsoever.

    2. The number of foreign nationals allowed into our universities should, by law, be exactly zero. Anything else is insanity.

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  121. AaronB says:
    @Orwellian State

    Whites brought the nightmare of modernity into the world, it would make sense if whites were the first to emerge from the nightmare and show the way out.
     
    It appears the enlightened liberals have found a way out for us all -- through drugs, alcohol, rap, debauchery, deceit, narcissism, warmongering, open borders, homosexuality, gender confusion, identity politics, victimhood mentality, social justice, war on free speech, utter depravity.

    Once again God's chosen people are here to lead us to the promised land.

    Obviously, that’s not the way out of modernity, that is modernity. But you know that.

    We live in a world whites ushered into existence, and we all suffer for it.

    We have poor souls like Yan Shen tortured by the thought that Asians may not, after all, quite measure up to whites and spending hours on the Internet trying to prove to himself this isn’t true.

    You have guys like Priss seeing his people lose wealth and power and instead of facing the causes of this head on construct consoling narratives about unimaginative Asian grinds.

    All of this because whites created a materialistic world that only values wealth and power, so naturally everyone’s self esteem depends on how they measure up in this regard.

    Just as Asians have become infected with the mind disease of power, whites have grown disillusioned with it.

    Just as whites led the world into darkness, maybe they can now lead us into light?

    That would make a great deal of sense – the people who had the disease of materialism the worst, if they didn’t die from it, can now show us all the cure and the way out.

    It would also be karmic atonement for the past five hundred years.

    I predict the northern European people’s are on the brink of their period of great religious and spiritual creativity, once the hangover of materialism is over.

    Let the Jews and the Asians pursue their fevered dreams of power, whites have had more power than anyone else, and are no longer willing to be “slavish grinds” for its sake.

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    What are you saying, that gentile whites are so enlightened they no longer care if their countries are being invaded and their cultures destroyed? The Jews who are in power are not content to just run the USA, they want to run the World, by taking control of the most powerful military in the world.

    One major reason why I voted for Trump was because of his promise of no more foreign interventions. Yet what did he do as soon as he came on board? He let the neocon Jews take over his foreign policy and is now trying to start wars everywhere. Not just the Mideast, Africa, Afghanistan and North Korea, a while back he was even talking about invading Venezuela. He's turning out to be nothing but another Jew puppet. At least John Kerry had the balls to stand up to Israel. Trump's entire admin bow to Netanyahu and kiss his ring. Nikki Haley is practically Netanyahu's mistress. These evil Zionist neocons are robbing our future generations to pay for their warmongering.

    If gentile whites don't assert themselves and take back their countries, they will soon lose it all because as soon as the Jews get their fingers on anything, they are sure to run it to the ground. They can't help themselves. They will always succumb to greed and lust. Look at the rot in Hollywood, media, Wall Street, the DNC, the media coverup and this whole corrupt mess with the FBI/Clinton/Obama admin, the Jews have sold their souls to the devil, you want to let these people run your life without even putting up a fight? Meanwhile, the northern Europeans like the Swedes, Germans and the British are letting Muslims rape their women without even putting up a fight. Some are even advocating women should start wearing hijabs. Do you want the west to start looking more like India, China, Africa, Mexico, Guatemala, the Mideast and other 3rd world hell holes? What kind of enlightenment is this? Sounds more like capitulation to me.

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  122. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Bragadocious
    Yeah I think Thommmm told me in another thread that Poles weren't considered white in the United States before 1965. Neither were the Irish, he said. Indians sure are cocky aren't they. They know so much about this country's history. If only they knew how to run a motel that doesn't stink and have bedbugs.

    That’s the problem with Indians.

    They are forever trying to be honorary whites when they could not be more of an alien.

    Quit groveling so much and go back to your own country.

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  123. Hu Mi Yu says:
    @Jim Christian
    Attila asked a question. What do or did Japan or China ever invent, or do anything that was new other than copy and of course, re-engineer in its own name? Oh, and out-and-out steal the industrial secrets they needed from us?

    This isn't a personal matter, except you certainly took it that way. And you and the Derbs say?

    What do or did Japan or China ever invent, or do anything that was new other than copy and of course, re-engineer in its own name?

    Gunpowder, rockets, porcelain, lacquer, silk, paddle-wheeled iron-clad ships, moveable type (ie printing), escapement mechanism (clocks), and the game of go for starters.

    try this link:

    http://afe.easia.columbia.edu/song/readings/inventions_timeline.htm

    Read Science and Civilization in China by Joseph Needham. It is a massive work with many photographs that will set you straight.

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    A lot of those inventions died out and cannot really be considered the basis for modern reincarnations. ALL major civilizations had their golden ages and collapses where many of their advances were lost to time. Gunpowder was a real Chinese invention that goes directly back to China and spread to the rest of the world. The printing press and escapement mechanism not so much.

    This ridiculous attempt to find something in a long lost burial mound and claim that it shows that X really invented Y and not Z in order to take undeserved credit for something is ridiculous.
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  124. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @silviosilver
    Get real dude, I would have rather Chinese than Indians any day. At least the Chinese don't mind keeping to themselves. I have found that even if an area is massively Chinese - like say 75% - it's still quite easy to find places - restaurants, clubs, bars - that are pretty much completely free of Chinese people. So their presence in an area doesn't bother me as much as it otherwise would. (Of course, if I could press a button and make them all vanish, I'd do it in a heartbeat.)

    Indians on the other hand tend to infiltrate white settings to a much more disturbing degree. Unlike the Chinese, they can't seem to take the hint that they're not wanted. Even though they're racially more similar to whites than Chinese are, they take way more offense at being rejected by white people. It's bizarre how apeshit they go when they detect that whites don't want them around. It's like, what did you expect dude, I'm not gonna notice what a hindoo you are?

    And I haven't even begun to talk about the myriad psychological complexes that stalk the Indian psyche. The Chinese seem blissfully free of these complexes. The fact that Chinese civilization has actual accomplishments under its built is probably a big part of this. Hindoos on the other hand can really only look around and wonder why they are so wretched and pathetic. (Blacks haven't accomplished jack either, but they accept their lot more cheerfully than hindoos.) That's why they cling to their ancient "philosophical" texts so tenaciously, because at least those occasionally have some interesting things to say, which people of other cultures can actually appreciate without pretending. (They were probably penned by authors considerably more racially Aryan than anything one would have found in India over the last thousand or so years, of course.) And I wouldn't ordinarily say this, but I find hindoo demographic triumphalism so irritating I will say it - it really can't be much joy looking in the mirror as a hindoo.

    Hindoos are the most SJW group in the entire world. They have all the worst traits of Jews without any of the redeeming traits.

    The only thing they are good at is arguing and with an iq of 82 it is like talking to another species.

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  125. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Thomm
    False. I am a white guy who admires successful immigrants. I would take any type of Asian ahead of WN wiggers like you.

    Get a clue, faggot.

    This is what larping looks like when you have an iq of 82.

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    There is a characteristic pattern to their excitable protestations of being white. I've seen the same thing many times now, even from highly educated hindoos. The funniest part is often when they break and admit they're just hindoos (yeah, cos you were really fooling me up to that point, lol).
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  126. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    God knows, we’ve been trying for decades, with essentially zero results. W e can’t make whites as smart as East Asians; Mother Nature’s standing in the way.

    Yet it was the gentile whites who founded all the most prestigious universities in the world. If the Asians are that smart, why can’t they open their own world class universities? Why are they all clamoring for our universities? Our founding fathers founded these universities to educate their descendants, not the descendants of foreign nationals! Let the Asians stay in Asia and go to their own universities. America does not need them. We have plenty of our own talents who are now disenfranchised and demoralized as they increasingly feel like foreigners in their own country.

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    Cambridge and Oxford were way more prestigious than Harvard 100 years ago. Harvard now is the most prestigious university in the world because the US is still the only superpower. The US can remain as the superpower only because it attracts the brightest and ablest from all over the world.
    , @Biff
    The oldest universities in the world are in Asia - Turkey and Iraq respectively.
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  127. denk says:
    @Anonymous

    Hindus have a similar ‘ethno-spiritual’ worldview, which is why they are more adept at the chess game of power. They know how to play all pieces whereas East Asians are used to playing the subordinate pieces in serving whatever happens to the top man-made power.
     
    This is true in the West, Indians are much more like the Jews than East Asians due to their tribalism and loquaciousness. While East Asians tend to pursue the technical fields, Indians are increasingly pursuing professions that are dominated by the Jews such as law, investment banking, politics, journalism, civil service. However in ethnically mixed countries in Asia like Malaysia and Singapore, the Chinese who are much more entrepreneurial tend to be the business owners while the Indians either work for the Chinese, or are in criminal gangs and rob them blind.

    As far as East Asians drinking the Kool-aid by the buckets, I find that curious as well, since the Chinese in Asia are known for their pragmatism. But the biggest and most vocal progressive tards in the US (after the Jews and the blacks) are the Indians, from Sundra Pichai in Silicon Valley to Kshama Sawant, Pramila Jayapal, Kamala Harris in politics, to Aziz Ansari, Hasan Minaj, Kumail Nanjani in entertainment, all are left wing nuts and zealous anti-Trumpers. The current US ambassador to the UN Nikki Haley is such a staunch Zionist you almost wonder if she's sleeping with Natanyahu.

    Neither the Chinese nor the Indians can be trusted. In that regard they are like the Jews. They all lack that integrity chip that governs most protestant whites. I wouldn't say it's because of Christianity. Most Catholics and blacks (who are mostly protestant) are equally untrustworthy.

    Neither the Chinese nor the Indians can be trusted. In that regard they are like the Jews. They all lack that integrity chip that governs most protestant whites. I wouldn’t say it’s because of Christianity. Most Catholics and blacks (who are mostly protestant) are equally untrustworthy.

    Tell that to the Apache chief Big horse,
    Whitey speak with forked tongue

    Or Josef Goebbels,
    The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.

    Incidentally,
    The Asian Indians tend to speak with knotted tongues,
    Apache Chief Big horse must be turning in his grave !

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  128. Gapeseed says:

    We are just in the beginning of a long backlash against progressive rot in all of its forms. The Asians have not played a major role in this rot. In fact, if history holds true, they will in short order become honorary whites like the Irish and Italians before them. I think it’s happening now – just last night a Chinese attorney told me – soto voce – that she voted for Trump, and it was 50/50 among her family and friends. As the nation becomes more and more balkanized by race, the logic of voting with progressives who actively seek to disenfranchise them with affirmative action will look increasingly foolish to Asians, and the African-American voting bloc will find itself with scant company on a capsizing Democratic ship.

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    The Asians have not played a major role in this rot. In fact, if history holds true, they will in short order become honorary whites like the Irish and Italians before them.
     
    Thank you. I keep pointing this out to the illiterate WN wiggers, but their ignorance of history knows no limits.

    This process is already underway.

    The funny thing is that whenever the population of 'whites' in America falls below 65%, the definition of 'white' gets expanded, as you correctly point out, to top up the white percentage above 80% again.

    This has already been done twice before (first with Irish, and later with Italians, Poles, and Jews). It will happen again with Asians and whiter Hispanics.

    At no point after 1820 has America been 90% white based on the contemporary definition of 'white' at the time.

    WN wiggers can't grasp this, due to their low IQs.
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  129. AaronB says:
    @peterike

    Priss, do you find it curious that during the ages of greatest creativity for whites education was based precisely on rote memorization and slavishly grinding away?

     

    No. Creativity doesn't appear in an empty box. To be creative/inventive, whether in science or the arts, you have to first know things. Preferably lots of things. Teaching via "rote" (a now-loaded term which really just means teaching facts) gives you the foundation on which to build.

    Similarly, "slavishly grinding away" -- by which you mean persistence and resolve -- is also necessary, whether it's trying the 200th variation on your invention or the 50th revision of your novel.

    Only once creativity was palpably declining did people start wondering if we could boost it by getting rid of rote memorization and encouraging creativity explicitly.

     

    No. The move away from "rote" learning (i.e. sensible pedagogy) was entirely political, and designed to better inculcate students in "proper values," i.e. progressive dogma. The Protestant loonies -- Puritan types -- actually started this mania a long time ago, which is why they invented public schools in the first place: to propagandize. They created the infrastructure that Jews so easily wrested from them to drive even further to the Left. Puritans are fanatical about causes, but as the 20th century rolled on, it was the Jews who came up with the causes. That's how we went from, say, Prohibition to Feminism. One was very Protestant, the other very Jewish, but Puritans were on board for both.

    In other words, designing educational techniques meant to foster creativity is itself a response to declining creativity and an admission that that mysterious and poorly understood entity is fading away.
     
    You cannot "foster creativity." That's a giant lie peddled by the educrats. It's also convenient, in that a teacher who is there to "foster creativity" doesn't need to actually KNOW anything, doesn't need to be educated or intelligent. So thousands of dopes get churned out with education degrees, a degree that verifies you have been taught a giant pile of lies and destructive nonsense.

    The result has been that students no longer receive a basic education -- all that "rote" stuff -- nor learn how to do anything -- all that "slavish grinding" -- and so they are empty vessels from which no creativity can spring. Even if you are naturally creative, if you know nothing your creativity has nothing to do.

    I largely agree with your comment, but I don’t think Priss agrees. He brought up Asian hard work as if it’s a negative, which is strangely common among whites upset over the rise of Asians, and like to pretend their own rise was utterly effortless and not based on tremendous hard work!

    Anyone seriously interested in reversing white decline would immediately identify its cause in a radical collapse in motivation – an unwilling to do the incredibly hard work needed to gain and keep power, an unwillingness to “grind” – and not console himself with fairy takes of an effortless white rise without insane amounts of hard work.

    Of course, from my point of view I think it’s wonderful that whites are no longer willing to be slavish grinds for the sake of power, and I feel sorry for Asians and Jews.

    But if Priss has enough insight to realize that being a slavish grind sucks, he should understand what that really means.

    Also, I think the “creativity” movement only came onto the scene when creativity was drying up. If the system was still producing creativity no one would have thought it needed to be fixed.

    After that, it may have been used for propoganda purposes.

    So I differ with you on that, mainly.

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    I largely agree with your comment, but I don’t think Priss agrees. He brought up Asian hard work as if it’s a negative, which is strangely common among whites upset over the rise of Asians, and like to pretend their own rise was utterly effortless and not based on tremendous hard work!

    I think the Asian grinder thing is that we want Asians to put more emphasis on things other than work so that we don't have to also become grinders. It is just not in the nature of whites to want to become grinders and this open borders crap is forcing it on us.

    I have an Asian friend. He is a great father and highly industrious. His only problem, he is a multimillionaire who has no hobbies. Is he the norm, I don't know. All his life he has worked to accumulate money - something he is very successful at. It is too bad he doesn't know how to live.

    He started working in is brother's restaurant when he was in college and bought his first house while still a student. He has accumulated millions in real estate holdings while holding down jobs as an engineer and middle level manager. He sold his properties just before the 2008 collapse and has bought many back since then. He quit work at 49 and lives off the rental imcome so has plenty of free time to indulge himself.

    His only trips are to visit family in Hong Kong or other relatives in the US. He may have taken one trip to mainland China. At least he doesn't have a gambling addiction.
    , @Thomm

    which is strangely common among whites upset over the rise of Asians, and like to pretend their own rise was utterly effortless and not based on tremendous hard work!
     
    Remember that us normal whites have no problem with anyone rising up with hard work. Isn't laziness the primary criticism of blacks? Isn't that why the 10% of blacks who work very hard really make our day when we see them?

    Remember that White Nationalists are lazy and have Negro IQs, so all they want is intra-white socialism. They feel entitled to the fruits of hardworking whites. That is why WN economic views are so left-wing.

    The reason White Trashionalists hate Asian hard work is that it reminds them of their own inadequacies, and that the rest of us want to reward hard work, independent of race (ensuring Asians are more respected my mainstream whites than WN wiggers are).

    Essentially, WN wiggers are bitter that mainstream whites have a far more honorable value system than WN wiggers. Other than shared ancestry from Europe, WNs aren't really 'white' in character.

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  130. AaronB says:

    God knows, we’ve been trying for decades, with essentially zero results. W e can’t make whites as smart as East Asians; Mother Nature’s standing in the way.

    Sure “we’ve” been trying, but have the subjects of our efforts been cooperating with us, John?

    I guess we haven’t yet figured out a way to make people suffering from post-imperial fatigue regain the willingness to work tremendously hard, but I agree, that is indeed what Mother Nature intended.

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  131. @AaronB
    Obviously, that's not the way out of modernity, that is modernity. But you know that.

    We live in a world whites ushered into existence, and we all suffer for it.

    We have poor souls like Yan Shen tortured by the thought that Asians may not, after all, quite measure up to whites and spending hours on the Internet trying to prove to himself this isn't true.

    You have guys like Priss seeing his people lose wealth and power and instead of facing the causes of this head on construct consoling narratives about unimaginative Asian grinds.

    All of this because whites created a materialistic world that only values wealth and power, so naturally everyone's self esteem depends on how they measure up in this regard.

    Just as Asians have become infected with the mind disease of power, whites have grown disillusioned with it.

    Just as whites led the world into darkness, maybe they can now lead us into light?

    That would make a great deal of sense - the people who had the disease of materialism the worst, if they didn't die from it, can now show us all the cure and the way out.

    It would also be karmic atonement for the past five hundred years.

    I predict the northern European people's are on the brink of their period of great religious and spiritual creativity, once the hangover of materialism is over.

    Let the Jews and the Asians pursue their fevered dreams of power, whites have had more power than anyone else, and are no longer willing to be "slavish grinds" for its sake.

    What are you saying, that gentile whites are so enlightened they no longer care if their countries are being invaded and their cultures destroyed? The Jews who are in power are not content to just run the USA, they want to run the World, by taking control of the most powerful military in the world.

    One major reason why I voted for Trump was because of his promise of no more foreign interventions. Yet what did he do as soon as he came on board? He let the neocon Jews take over his foreign policy and is now trying to start wars everywhere. Not just the Mideast, Africa, Afghanistan and North Korea, a while back he was even talking about invading Venezuela. He’s turning out to be nothing but another Jew puppet. At least John Kerry had the balls to stand up to Israel. Trump’s entire admin bow to Netanyahu and kiss his ring. Nikki Haley is practically Netanyahu’s mistress. These evil Zionist neocons are robbing our future generations to pay for their warmongering.

    If gentile whites don’t assert themselves and take back their countries, they will soon lose it all because as soon as the Jews get their fingers on anything, they are sure to run it to the ground. They can’t help themselves. They will always succumb to greed and lust. Look at the rot in Hollywood, media, Wall Street, the DNC, the media coverup and this whole corrupt mess with the FBI/Clinton/Obama admin, the Jews have sold their souls to the devil, you want to let these people run your life without even putting up a fight? Meanwhile, the northern Europeans like the Swedes, Germans and the British are letting Muslims rape their women without even putting up a fight. Some are even advocating women should start wearing hijabs. Do you want the west to start looking more like India, China, Africa, Mexico, Guatemala, the Mideast and other 3rd world hell holes? What kind of enlightenment is this? Sounds more like capitulation to me.

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    What I am saying is that whites have *ceased caring* - they have no motivation anymore to do anything.

    The old goals, wealth, power - whites just can't be bothered anymore, they're disillusioned with all that.

    So whites are stuck in a rut.

    They let their countries be invaded and cultures destroyed because they feel they have nothing to live for anymore - power and wealth, that's just not exciting anymore.

    Whites became more powerful than anyone else, there was nowhe else to go, nothing more to prove, it all came to seem pointless and boring and dull, and after the two world wars, even dangerous.

    Worse, life wasn't fun anymore- it was all discipline and hard work, and for what? There was nothing left to prove, everyone had been defeated.

    Incredible emotional discipline and hard work was needed to keep all this going, and there just didn't seem much point to all that sacrifice.

    Do you know how much sacrifice Jews and Asians make for their power and wealth? It is tremendous, but they still find power exciting, because they still have a lot to prove.

    Now this process is perfectly natural, what happened to whites is perfectly natural in the cycle of nations.

    It was even a foregone and guaranteed conclusion, and Jews and Asians will go through it too (Asians already did, in the past).

    In a hundred years people will marvel at how much power Jews wielded in our day, just as we marvel at the British Empire. Jewish power will be a dream of the past.

    Now, do you want gentile whites to assert themselves to take back their countries?

    That's great, but how will you get them motivated, what will they have to live for? What will they make sacrifices for and work hard to achieve?

    Remember, you just won't get whites caring about power and wealth anymore like they did in the days of the British Empire.

    Those old goals are now impossible for whites.

    To motivate whites you have to rediscover a vision of life that is motivating - mere self interest, mere HBD, just isn't inspiring, hard work and sacrifice for science and power just isn't exciting anymore....so what?

    I have my answer, but what is yours?
    , @nsa
    Think of Trump as the Jooie Easter Bunny......hopping around leaving bright, gaudy, tooth rottingly sweet eggs for all the childlike groups the jooies control as a reward for their abject servility. A war in the Hindu Kush to appease the pentagon, moving the capitol of the USA from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem to appease the zio-chrissies, a bigly wall to appease the nativists, lifting of the inheritance tax to appease entrenched wealth, lowering the corporate tax to goose the dow for investors, keep interest rates low to lubricate commerce and the lower classes, twitter away to appeal to the techno narcissists, bad mouth the nfl goons to appeal to racists, hire on lots of senile VFW generals to appeal to patriots, etc, etc. And the sugary jooie eggs are out in the open and not even hidden......
    , @utu
    What kind of enlightenment is this? Sounds more like capitulation to me.

    You see, AaronB is (((AaronB))). Enlightenment is very very good for goys.
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  132. lao gu says:
    @Frederick V. Reed
    Mr. Derbyshire may be the only race realist among the Race Realists. Given the huge gap between Asians and whites in STEM performance, affirmative action for whites--which is what quotas for Asians are--is the only way to keep the inferiority from becoming too obvious and leading to trouble.

    CalTech, with exceedingly high entrance requirements and no affirmative action, is indeed an indicator. The state is 15 percent Asian, about 40 percent white, but CalTech is 43 percent Asian. It is and 29 percent white though the state is roughly 40 percent white. The school is only 12 percent Hispanic (these are drawn from only those who speak English and have a high -school education) and one percent black. Take from the white figures an unknown proportion of Jews, and Eurowhites look dismal.

    Favoring less able whites over Asians will have the same effect on academic standards as favoring blacks over whites.
    America does not have enough Jews and Asians to balance the roughly one billion Han Chinese whom Beijing increasingly can deploy in technical fields. Three times as many barins, superior in any event, backed by intelligent government. We are, methinks, seeing the birth of the world’s last and genetically empire.

    China will never become the serious competitor to US, as long as the community party is in the power.
    You will know if you go to corrupted state-owned enterprises and the party controlled academic institutions. The party have depressed the creative of Chinese people and reduce IQ of his nation by indoctrinating youth with ideology of Marxism(the only ideological youth could gets), and punishing free thinking.
    there is another story when the barrier is moved.

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  133. @peterike

    Priss, do you find it curious that during the ages of greatest creativity for whites education was based precisely on rote memorization and slavishly grinding away?

     

    No. Creativity doesn't appear in an empty box. To be creative/inventive, whether in science or the arts, you have to first know things. Preferably lots of things. Teaching via "rote" (a now-loaded term which really just means teaching facts) gives you the foundation on which to build.

    Similarly, "slavishly grinding away" -- by which you mean persistence and resolve -- is also necessary, whether it's trying the 200th variation on your invention or the 50th revision of your novel.

    Only once creativity was palpably declining did people start wondering if we could boost it by getting rid of rote memorization and encouraging creativity explicitly.

     

    No. The move away from "rote" learning (i.e. sensible pedagogy) was entirely political, and designed to better inculcate students in "proper values," i.e. progressive dogma. The Protestant loonies -- Puritan types -- actually started this mania a long time ago, which is why they invented public schools in the first place: to propagandize. They created the infrastructure that Jews so easily wrested from them to drive even further to the Left. Puritans are fanatical about causes, but as the 20th century rolled on, it was the Jews who came up with the causes. That's how we went from, say, Prohibition to Feminism. One was very Protestant, the other very Jewish, but Puritans were on board for both.

    In other words, designing educational techniques meant to foster creativity is itself a response to declining creativity and an admission that that mysterious and poorly understood entity is fading away.
     
    You cannot "foster creativity." That's a giant lie peddled by the educrats. It's also convenient, in that a teacher who is there to "foster creativity" doesn't need to actually KNOW anything, doesn't need to be educated or intelligent. So thousands of dopes get churned out with education degrees, a degree that verifies you have been taught a giant pile of lies and destructive nonsense.

    The result has been that students no longer receive a basic education -- all that "rote" stuff -- nor learn how to do anything -- all that "slavish grinding" -- and so they are empty vessels from which no creativity can spring. Even if you are naturally creative, if you know nothing your creativity has nothing to do.

    You cannot “foster creativity.” That’s a giant lie peddled by the educrats.

    How true. The Chosen who’ve been running our media, academia, Hollywood have been selling us depravity as creativity for far too long. Their rot is now finally being thrown out into the open. The emperor has no clothes. Meanwhile the educrats have equated all hard work with “rote learning” that hinders creativity and we ended up with generations of poorly educated, mathematically incompetent know nothing yet over confident “college” grads for 4 decades. The brain dead, hypocritical and morally bankrupt left are running western civilization to the ground.

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  134. AaronB says:
    @Orwellian State
    What are you saying, that gentile whites are so enlightened they no longer care if their countries are being invaded and their cultures destroyed? The Jews who are in power are not content to just run the USA, they want to run the World, by taking control of the most powerful military in the world.

    One major reason why I voted for Trump was because of his promise of no more foreign interventions. Yet what did he do as soon as he came on board? He let the neocon Jews take over his foreign policy and is now trying to start wars everywhere. Not just the Mideast, Africa, Afghanistan and North Korea, a while back he was even talking about invading Venezuela. He's turning out to be nothing but another Jew puppet. At least John Kerry had the balls to stand up to Israel. Trump's entire admin bow to Netanyahu and kiss his ring. Nikki Haley is practically Netanyahu's mistress. These evil Zionist neocons are robbing our future generations to pay for their warmongering.

    If gentile whites don't assert themselves and take back their countries, they will soon lose it all because as soon as the Jews get their fingers on anything, they are sure to run it to the ground. They can't help themselves. They will always succumb to greed and lust. Look at the rot in Hollywood, media, Wall Street, the DNC, the media coverup and this whole corrupt mess with the FBI/Clinton/Obama admin, the Jews have sold their souls to the devil, you want to let these people run your life without even putting up a fight? Meanwhile, the northern Europeans like the Swedes, Germans and the British are letting Muslims rape their women without even putting up a fight. Some are even advocating women should start wearing hijabs. Do you want the west to start looking more like India, China, Africa, Mexico, Guatemala, the Mideast and other 3rd world hell holes? What kind of enlightenment is this? Sounds more like capitulation to me.

    What I am saying is that whites have *ceased caring* – they have no motivation anymore to do anything.

    The old goals, wealth, power – whites just can’t be bothered anymore, they’re disillusioned with all that.

    So whites are stuck in a rut.

    They let their countries be invaded and cultures destroyed because they feel they have nothing to live for anymore – power and wealth, that’s just not exciting anymore.

    Whites became more powerful than anyone else, there was nowhe else to go, nothing more to prove, it all came to seem pointless and boring and dull, and after the two world wars, even dangerous.

    Worse, life wasn’t fun anymore- it was all discipline and hard work, and for what? There was nothing left to prove, everyone had been defeated.

    Incredible emotional discipline and hard work was needed to keep all this going, and there just didn’t seem much point to all that sacrifice.

    Do you know how much sacrifice Jews and Asians make for their power and wealth? It is tremendous, but they still find power exciting, because they still have a lot to prove.

    Now this process is perfectly natural, what happened to whites is perfectly natural in the cycle of nations.

    It was even a foregone and guaranteed conclusion, and Jews and Asians will go through it too (Asians already did, in the past).

    In a hundred years people will marvel at how much power Jews wielded in our day, just as we marvel at the British Empire. Jewish power will be a dream of the past.

    Now, do you want gentile whites to assert themselves to take back their countries?

    That’s great, but how will you get them motivated, what will they have to live for? What will they make sacrifices for and work hard to achieve?

    Remember, you just won’t get whites caring about power and wealth anymore like they did in the days of the British Empire.

    Those old goals are now impossible for whites.

    To motivate whites you have to rediscover a vision of life that is motivating – mere self interest, mere HBD, just isn’t inspiring, hard work and sacrifice for science and power just isn’t exciting anymore….so what?

    I have my answer, but what is yours?

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    As a Scot-German, I am cheap as all get-out, and my penny-pinching ways extend to my politics. That said, a serious space program designed with planetary settlements in mind would invigorate the imaginations of everyone, including whites. It would give many people a reason to grind.
    , @OilcanFloyd
    Revenge. It worked in the past, Aaron.
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  135. MarkinLA says:
    @Hu Mi Yu

    What do or did Japan or China ever invent, or do anything that was new other than copy and of course, re-engineer in its own name?
     
    Gunpowder, rockets, porcelain, lacquer, silk, paddle-wheeled iron-clad ships, moveable type (ie printing), escapement mechanism (clocks), and the game of go for starters.

    try this link:
    http://afe.easia.columbia.edu/song/readings/inventions_timeline.htm

    Read Science and Civilization in China by Joseph Needham. It is a massive work with many photographs that will set you straight.

    A lot of those inventions died out and cannot really be considered the basis for modern reincarnations. ALL major civilizations had their golden ages and collapses where many of their advances were lost to time. Gunpowder was a real Chinese invention that goes directly back to China and spread to the rest of the world. The printing press and escapement mechanism not so much.

    This ridiculous attempt to find something in a long lost burial mound and claim that it shows that X really invented Y and not Z in order to take undeserved credit for something is ridiculous.

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    Gunpowder, rockets, porcelain, lacquer, silk, paddle-wheeled iron-clad ships, moveable type (ie printing), escapement mechanism (clocks), and the game of go for starters.
     
    A lot of those inventions died out and cannot really be considered the basis for modern reincarnations. ALL major civilizations had their golden ages and collapses where many of their advances were lost to time.
     
    It is amazing how many of them were reinvented in the West after Marco Polo popularized the journey.

    I left off the cannon and noodles. They must have died out, because artillery is no longer used, and no one eats pasta.

    I suppose you never studied LA history, so you wouldn't have learned that pre-Hispanic Los Angeles was named Yang Na (¨Sunnyside Village") after a homonymous village in China.
    , @random rand
    The claim is that China has not invented anything by itself. Simple two minutes of googling can show this is false. No one is taking undeserved credit for anything, merely pointing out a simple and basic fact that China had a lot of inventions of its own despite a bunch of idiots who can't use google acting as if asking the question "what did China invent" is some gotcha moment. attilathehen is even more epic in his claim that ONLY the Ancient Greeks invented philosophy. As they say, never go full retard.

    Anyways, for people who can't be bothered to use google:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_mathematics

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_science_and_technology_in_China
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  136. @Thomm
    Hey, I am perfectly fine with every single immigrant to the US being Chinese. They are a high income group.

    White Trashionalists (aka wiggers) are just bitter that the fat bluehaired feminists are rejecting them. That is why WN wiggers are so bitter.

    Heh heh heh heh

    It must be sad indeed to be a hindoo, going through life lying to yourself for comfort. “White guys can’t get white girls!!!” the hindoo gleefully squeals, even though it happens in bars and clubs with humdrum regularity every weekend (often with a few envy-ridden hindoos leering salaciously from the sidelines for accompaniment). I wonder if hindoos ever ask themselves what they must have done that was so bad in their former lives to be reborn as hindoos in this one – must have been something ghastly, you figure.

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    er... I'm an American white guy, you faggot.

    I am just impressed with the rapid success of Indian Americans.

    But I want more Chinese and Korean immigrants too. Any highly skilled immigrants will do.
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  137. @Anonymous
    This is what larping looks like when you have an iq of 82.

    There is a characteristic pattern to their excitable protestations of being white. I’ve seen the same thing many times now, even from highly educated hindoos. The funniest part is often when they break and admit they’re just hindoos (yeah, cos you were really fooling me up to that point, lol).

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    LOL what is the difference between Indians and whites?

    Indians think they are whites, but whites don't think they are Indians.
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  138. MarkinLA says:
    @AaronB
    I largely agree with your comment, but I don't think Priss agrees. He brought up Asian hard work as if it's a negative, which is strangely common among whites upset over the rise of Asians, and like to pretend their own rise was utterly effortless and not based on tremendous hard work!

    Anyone seriously interested in reversing white decline would immediately identify its cause in a radical collapse in motivation - an unwilling to do the incredibly hard work needed to gain and keep power, an unwillingness to "grind" - and not console himself with fairy takes of an effortless white rise without insane amounts of hard work.

    Of course, from my point of view I think it's wonderful that whites are no longer willing to be slavish grinds for the sake of power, and I feel sorry for Asians and Jews.

    But if Priss has enough insight to realize that being a slavish grind sucks, he should understand what that really means.

    Also, I think the "creativity" movement only came onto the scene when creativity was drying up. If the system was still producing creativity no one would have thought it needed to be fixed.

    After that, it may have been used for propoganda purposes.

    So I differ with you on that, mainly.

    I largely agree with your comment, but I don’t think Priss agrees. He brought up Asian hard work as if it’s a negative, which is strangely common among whites upset over the rise of Asians, and like to pretend their own rise was utterly effortless and not based on tremendous hard work!

    I think the Asian grinder thing is that we want Asians to put more emphasis on things other than work so that we don’t have to also become grinders. It is just not in the nature of whites to want to become grinders and this open borders crap is forcing it on us.

    I have an Asian friend. He is a great father and highly industrious. His only problem, he is a multimillionaire who has no hobbies. Is he the norm, I don’t know. All his life he has worked to accumulate money – something he is very successful at. It is too bad he doesn’t know how to live.

    He started working in is brother’s restaurant when he was in college and bought his first house while still a student. He has accumulated millions in real estate holdings while holding down jobs as an engineer and middle level manager. He sold his properties just before the 2008 collapse and has bought many back since then. He quit work at 49 and lives off the rental imcome so has plenty of free time to indulge himself.

    His only trips are to visit family in Hong Kong or other relatives in the US. He may have taken one trip to mainland China. At least he doesn’t have a gambling addiction.

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    I think the Asian grinder thing is that we want Asians to put more emphasis on things other than work so that we don’t have to also become grinders.
     
    Sure, no one likes the grinder. We like it easy going and breezy.

    But until Asians are given a fairer opportunity in more corners of Americana, including media, entertainment and political representation, they have no other recourse but to resort to the grind. Or else end up like other minorities.
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  139. Thomm says:
    @silviosilver
    It must be sad indeed to be a hindoo, going through life lying to yourself for comfort. "White guys can't get white girls!!!" the hindoo gleefully squeals, even though it happens in bars and clubs with humdrum regularity every weekend (often with a few envy-ridden hindoos leering salaciously from the sidelines for accompaniment). I wonder if hindoos ever ask themselves what they must have done that was so bad in their former lives to be reborn as hindoos in this one - must have been something ghastly, you figure.

    er… I’m an American white guy, you faggot.

    I am just impressed with the rapid success of Indian Americans.

    But I want more Chinese and Korean immigrants too. Any highly skilled immigrants will do.

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    er… I’m an American white guy, you faggot.
     
    LMAO!

    Hey Homes, I believe you. A dot-head wouldn't be so quick to F-bomb someone on a website. It would take a lot more aggitation. Hell it took Daniel Chieh a year to start cursing here.
    , @silviosilver
    You are a sad little hindoo, nursing his grievances by calling for the demographic overthrow of his betters.
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  140. AaronB says:

    I partially agree with you and see where you’re coming from, but let me make a few points.

    It is just not in the nature of whites to want to become grinders and this open borders crap is forcing it on us

    .

    This is obviously untrue. If you know anything about the 19th century German or British educational system you’ll know this is about ad untrue as can be.

    Historically, and quite recently, whites were just as much grinders as Asians. See the autobiography of John Stuart Mill for an extreme example.

    Today, whites are no longer grinders, because there don’t seem to be any goals worth grinding for.

    Now, I’m very sympathetic to you when you say you don’t want Asians to introduce their grinding ways into modern America.

    It’s s big problem, and one that whites had with Jews before.

    What do you do when you have a few groups with very different levels of motivation competing in the same space?

    But more than that, I am delighted with the fact that whites stopped being ambitious strivers and grinders, because I don’t see those values as being very important.

    Having large numbers of of strivey Asians and Jews around will only delay this country moving away from those discredited values and into something positive and happiness producing.

    I am pleased to see that you seem to agree that strivey ambitious values suck, and there’s better things in life.

    I’m somewhat opposed to immigration as well, but funnily enough, for the exact opposite reasons that WNs are.

    I don’t want our country to return to ‘greatness’ but to finally move on to something better.

    That’s why I’m actually happier to see Mexicans come in than super ambitious Asians, but I don’t think its too big of a deal.

    I am also against strife and discord, and in today’s multicultural climate, it’s obvious immigration leads to much hatred and resentment among all parties.

    It doesn’t have to be that way, and under better social arrangements we wouldn’t all be at each others throats like we are now, but for the moment, maybe we all need a separation for a while, although I personally have no problems with people of any race (although some have had a problem with me).

    I also see things as very much a catch-22 – whites will never stop immigration unless they rediscover some source of inner motivation, but if that happened, immigration would be much less of a threat anyways.

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    Victorian Brits were not what I would call "grinders", though they may have been so relatively to their modern counterparts.
    , @MarkinLA
    Historically, and quite recently, whites were just as much grinders as Asians.

    Really, you think 1950s era American kids were grinders? Even in the mid 70s, when I went to high school, the SAT was just something that you showed up and took without any preparation and was a truer measure of your innate aptitude.

    Taking all these useless AP courses and SAT prep no longer make it a true representative of your innate aptitude which was its purpose for finding out who was smart but not so bookish.
    , @Anonymous

    I also see things as very much a catch-22 – whites will never stop immigration unless they rediscover some source of inner motivation, but if that happened, immigration would be much less of a threat anyways.
     
    We tried, that's why we elected Trump, who instantly cucked out. The Jews got him by the balls, even married into his family. They want their open borders because a multicultural society is "safer" for the Jews, never mind if it turns the country into an ungovernable mess -- dilute the white power, divide and conquer.
    , @Orwellian State

    Historically, and quite recently, whites were just as much grinders as Asians.
     
    This is true. Even up through the 90's, we would always read about this thing called "Protestant work ethic". Now our kids are being told in school that saying "you can succeed in anything if you work hard enough" is racist.
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  141. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @silviosilver
    There is a characteristic pattern to their excitable protestations of being white. I've seen the same thing many times now, even from highly educated hindoos. The funniest part is often when they break and admit they're just hindoos (yeah, cos you were really fooling me up to that point, lol).

    LOL what is the difference between Indians and whites?

    Indians think they are whites, but whites don’t think they are Indians.

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  142. Thomm says:
    @Gapeseed
    We are just in the beginning of a long backlash against progressive rot in all of its forms. The Asians have not played a major role in this rot. In fact, if history holds true, they will in short order become honorary whites like the Irish and Italians before them. I think it's happening now - just last night a Chinese attorney told me - soto voce - that she voted for Trump, and it was 50/50 among her family and friends. As the nation becomes more and more balkanized by race, the logic of voting with progressives who actively seek to disenfranchise them with affirmative action will look increasingly foolish to Asians, and the African-American voting bloc will find itself with scant company on a capsizing Democratic ship.

    The Asians have not played a major role in this rot. In fact, if history holds true, they will in short order become honorary whites like the Irish and Italians before them.

    Thank you. I keep pointing this out to the illiterate WN wiggers, but their ignorance of history knows no limits.

    This process is already underway.

    The funny thing is that whenever the population of ‘whites’ in America falls below 65%, the definition of ‘white’ gets expanded, as you correctly point out, to top up the white percentage above 80% again.

    This has already been done twice before (first with Irish, and later with Italians, Poles, and Jews). It will happen again with Asians and whiter Hispanics.

    At no point after 1820 has America been 90% white based on the contemporary definition of ‘white’ at the time.

    WN wiggers can’t grasp this, due to their low IQs.

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    At no point will Hindoos be considered white or even honorary whites.

    Their iq is too low. It is an average iq of 82.

    Maybe you hindoos should try to be honorary blacks.
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  143. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @AaronB
    I partially agree with you and see where you're coming from, but let me make a few points.

    It is just not in the nature of whites to want to become grinders and this open borders crap is forcing it on us
     
    .

    This is obviously untrue. If you know anything about the 19th century German or British educational system you'll know this is about ad untrue as can be.

    Historically, and quite recently, whites were just as much grinders as Asians. See the autobiography of John Stuart Mill for an extreme example.

    Today, whites are no longer grinders, because there don't seem to be any goals worth grinding for.

    Now, I'm very sympathetic to you when you say you don't want Asians to introduce their grinding ways into modern America.

    It's s big problem, and one that whites had with Jews before.

    What do you do when you have a few groups with very different levels of motivation competing in the same space?

    But more than that, I am delighted with the fact that whites stopped being ambitious strivers and grinders, because I don't see those values as being very important.

    Having large numbers of of strivey Asians and Jews around will only delay this country moving away from those discredited values and into something positive and happiness producing.

    I am pleased to see that you seem to agree that strivey ambitious values suck, and there's better things in life.

    I'm somewhat opposed to immigration as well, but funnily enough, for the exact opposite reasons that WNs are.

    I don't want our country to return to 'greatness' but to finally move on to something better.

    That's why I'm actually happier to see Mexicans come in than super ambitious Asians, but I don't think its too big of a deal.

    I am also against strife and discord, and in today's multicultural climate, it's obvious immigration leads to much hatred and resentment among all parties.

    It doesn't have to be that way, and under better social arrangements we wouldn't all be at each others throats like we are now, but for the moment, maybe we all need a separation for a while, although I personally have no problems with people of any race (although some have had a problem with me).

    I also see things as very much a catch-22 - whites will never stop immigration unless they rediscover some source of inner motivation, but if that happened, immigration would be much less of a threat anyways.

    Victorian Brits were not what I would call “grinders”, though they may have been so relatively to their modern counterparts.

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  144. Truth says:
    @Thomm
    er... I'm an American white guy, you faggot.

    I am just impressed with the rapid success of Indian Americans.

    But I want more Chinese and Korean immigrants too. Any highly skilled immigrants will do.

    er… I’m an American white guy, you faggot.

    LMAO!

    Hey Homes, I believe you. A dot-head wouldn’t be so quick to F-bomb someone on a website. It would take a lot more aggitation. Hell it took Daniel Chieh a year to start cursing here.

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  145. @Anonymous
    Derbyshire is a pseudo-intellectual retard who went to a third-rate school. And his yellow fever is further affecting his limited and decaying brain. All of higher math was founded by white gentile males. Fermat, Fourier, Leplace, Boole, Lagrange, Reimann, Galois, Bernoulli, Cauchy, Pascal, Weierstrass, Descartes, Poincaré, Euler, Godel, Frege, ... But hey, worker-bot orientals whose free time during high school is spent at SAT prep schools are the real geniuses because they can do well on the standardized tests which were developed by that proceeding group of (((intellectual middlemen))) to get into these same schools founded by white gentiles.

    Which Anonymous are you? There are several. One is an anti-white Turk who finally outed himself, and then there’s another Anonymous claiming he’s a white man.

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    Which Anonymous are you? There are several. One is an anti-white Turk who finally outed himself, and then there’s another Anonymous claiming he’s a white man.
     
    My guess is that there are more than two Anonymouses. But between the two options I’ll go with the one claiming to be a white man.
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  146. @Biff

    Cecil Rhodes said that any one born English was a lottery winner.
     
    Cecil Rhodes evidently has never tasted good food or lived in a decent climate, and at the same time had a penchant for high taxes, crumbling expensive empires, and a security complex to watch his every move.
    Did I mention the fat ugly women?

    What’s your angle? No one is perfect. But you have to admit the English empire was the greatest ever. What’s with the fat ugly women? The rumor is that Rhodes was a closeted homosexual.

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    What’s your angle? No one is perfect. But you have to admit the English empire was the greatest ever. What’s with the fat ugly women? The rumor is that Rhodes was a closeted homosexual.
     
    I don’t have to admit anything - the pommie pack wasn’t all that impressive.

    I was comparing the fat(American) ugly(white) women with that of the slender attractive more intelligent Asian women - it’s no contest.
    , @Bach

    admit the English empire was the greatest ever
     
    That might depend on which side you're standing and the morality you keep.
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  147. Gapeseed says:
    @AaronB
    What I am saying is that whites have *ceased caring* - they have no motivation anymore to do anything.

    The old goals, wealth, power - whites just can't be bothered anymore, they're disillusioned with all that.

    So whites are stuck in a rut.

    They let their countries be invaded and cultures destroyed because they feel they have nothing to live for anymore - power and wealth, that's just not exciting anymore.

    Whites became more powerful than anyone else, there was nowhe else to go, nothing more to prove, it all came to seem pointless and boring and dull, and after the two world wars, even dangerous.

    Worse, life wasn't fun anymore- it was all discipline and hard work, and for what? There was nothing left to prove, everyone had been defeated.

    Incredible emotional discipline and hard work was needed to keep all this going, and there just didn't seem much point to all that sacrifice.

    Do you know how much sacrifice Jews and Asians make for their power and wealth? It is tremendous, but they still find power exciting, because they still have a lot to prove.

    Now this process is perfectly natural, what happened to whites is perfectly natural in the cycle of nations.

    It was even a foregone and guaranteed conclusion, and Jews and Asians will go through it too (Asians already did, in the past).

    In a hundred years people will marvel at how much power Jews wielded in our day, just as we marvel at the British Empire. Jewish power will be a dream of the past.

    Now, do you want gentile whites to assert themselves to take back their countries?

    That's great, but how will you get them motivated, what will they have to live for? What will they make sacrifices for and work hard to achieve?

    Remember, you just won't get whites caring about power and wealth anymore like they did in the days of the British Empire.

    Those old goals are now impossible for whites.

    To motivate whites you have to rediscover a vision of life that is motivating - mere self interest, mere HBD, just isn't inspiring, hard work and sacrifice for science and power just isn't exciting anymore....so what?

    I have my answer, but what is yours?

    As a Scot-German, I am cheap as all get-out, and my penny-pinching ways extend to my politics. That said, a serious space program designed with planetary settlements in mind would invigorate the imaginations of everyone, including whites. It would give many people a reason to grind.

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    Very interesting. I think you're right, that would definitely inspire large numbers of people.

    It's definitely a grander vision that HBD, genes, race realism.

    Have you noticed that so many right wing values are just glorified prudence? Prudence is fine, but it just doesn't inspire.

    People will gladly sacrifice prudence, for a grand vision, and the Left offers that, Jews off that, in spades.

    The right just doesn't understand that. Mere self-preservation just won't inspire large numbers of people, and definitely not the best people. Even Nietzsche knew this much.

    That liberal white woman who gets mugged and defends her black attacker is willing to sacrifice safety if she thinks she is part of this grand narrative of moral progress, and look at what the Germans in WW2 were willing to sacrifice for some grand vision, however asinine!

    Basing white nationalism on HBD is bound to attract the worst people, as people who care most about their precious selves aren't worth much.

    People want something slightly irrational and grandiose and universal, and staying alive ain't it.

    But I wonder if we could base it on some grand romantic project to colonize space for the benefit of the human race?

    It would definitely attract a higher calibre of people than the canaille that hangs put at Vox Day, for example.

    But from my point of view it would be just another dream of power, and I couldn't support it, myself.

    But you are onto something.
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  148. Make the student body of Harvard a majority of Chinese grinds and kiss your cachet goodbye.

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    Make the student body of Harvard a majority of Chinese grinds and kiss your cachet goodbye.
     
    But if elite schools treated Asians fairly, they wouldn't be "grinds". It's only when people are forced to work twice as hard to achieve the same place in society that they are forced to "grind".
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  149. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Thomm

    The Asians have not played a major role in this rot. In fact, if history holds true, they will in short order become honorary whites like the Irish and Italians before them.
     
    Thank you. I keep pointing this out to the illiterate WN wiggers, but their ignorance of history knows no limits.

    This process is already underway.

    The funny thing is that whenever the population of 'whites' in America falls below 65%, the definition of 'white' gets expanded, as you correctly point out, to top up the white percentage above 80% again.

    This has already been done twice before (first with Irish, and later with Italians, Poles, and Jews). It will happen again with Asians and whiter Hispanics.

    At no point after 1820 has America been 90% white based on the contemporary definition of 'white' at the time.

    WN wiggers can't grasp this, due to their low IQs.

    At no point will Hindoos be considered white or even honorary whites.

    Their iq is too low. It is an average iq of 82.

    Maybe you hindoos should try to be honorary blacks.

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    And they have dark skin. That's the number one marker of low IQ.
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  150. Thomm says:
    @Китайский дурак
    Reading these comments makes one very depressed. These old white retard racists do not understand the first thing about Nation. They don’t even understand the first thing about Race. And we don’t want to even mention the question of National Essence, or National Soul. Yeah right all Chinese and all Japanese are one big happy hardworking race. All Indians are the same. Germans and East Europeans and Russians are one singular race too aren’t they?

    America is finished. Woe.

    These old white retard racists do not understand the first thing about Nation.

    My friend, you are right. Except that many of them are not old.

    But all of them are retards and untalented in other metrics beyond IQ (looks, character, artistry).

    The white race produces the best people, but that process generates waste matter, which has to be discarded somehow. The bottom 10% of the white race represents this waste matter, and these individuals are the wastebaskets that facilitate the removal of this waste.

    The men of this tier become White Trashionalists.
    The women of this tier become fat feminists.

    But they represent waste matter that is a necessary function of excretion to produce the other excellent members of the white race (the other 90% that you and I are from).

    That is why there is visceral disgust when one sees a fat feminist or WN retard. This is for natural genetic reasons. You are seeing waste matter when you see them.

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  151. Art Deco says:
    @Anon
    Do me a favor; run down the list of article authors and tell me which ones "attribute all the trouble in the world to the State of Israel".

    Philip Giraldi

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  152. KenH says:

    As Kevin Macdonald wrote here at VDARE.com in 2004:

    Derb is mischaracterizing reasons for restrictionist immigration in the early 20th century. They opposed immigration from oriental nations because they couldn’t compete with coolie laborers who would work for far less than white Europeans. Similar to today’s unskilled and semiskilled white and other Americans opposing illegal immigration since it undercuts their wage scale. It wasn’t because they were intellectual dipshits and dullards who feared the oriental intellectual giants.

    That’s just Derb pulling a Fred Reed on us and building up the Asians as some kind of super race. People forget that Japan and much later China were barbarian backwaters until they opened their nations up to Western trade, influence and technology which to their credit they have skillfully absorbed. The technology transfer from the West to China the last 25 years or so has been mind boggling.

    Whites have a much stronger for discrimination in the Ivy League and Harvard in particular than Asians. Whites are 60% of the general population but only comprise 23% of the student body while Asians are 5% of the gen pop and comprise 18% of the student body.

    Asians don’t seem much bothered about the plight of whites so whites shouldn’t care about them. This is our nation, not theirs so cry me a river. They have their own racially exclusive nations. We don’t.

    It’s every race for itself these days and whites need to take their own side and not delude themselves into thinking they can make common cause with Asians over affirmative action.

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  153. Thomm says:
    @Semper Fidelis
    Thomm the Indian nationalist advocating for an Indian takeover of the US every chance he gets. Make India Great Again!

    If Indians are so smart and so capable why is India the sewer pit of humanity? Go fix your own fucked up third world hell hole first before you conquered someone else's through mass immigration fraud. Silicon Valley was great before all you Indian fraudsters arrived and it will be great again when you are all gone.

    Hey, faggot. Indians are the most successful ethnic group in the US, bar none :

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income

    That is inconsistent with your narrative of a low IQ. Then again, WN wiggers don’t know how to read data, so the link I posted is incomprehensible to you.

    But I will settle for expanded Chinese immigration and zero Indians, just because both are equally effective in humiliating the WN wiggers who can’t compete.

    Remember, successful whites and even working class whites have no problem with skilled, legal Asian immigration. Only WN faggots do.

    Heh heh heh heh

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  154. Thomm says:
    @Bragadocious
    Yeah I think Thommmm told me in another thread that Poles weren't considered white in the United States before 1965. Neither were the Irish, he said. Indians sure are cocky aren't they. They know so much about this country's history. If only they knew how to run a motel that doesn't stink and have bedbugs.

    Yeah I think Thommmm told me in another thread that Poles weren’t considered white in the United States before 1965.

    It takes 10 seconds to look this up, you ignorant wigger. Then again, you WN retards don’t know how to use Google, so you will always be ignorant.

    Polacks were not considered white in the past. Hell, even Archie Bunker hated Polacks.

    Get an education!

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  155. Maybe more Asians — of the right kind — are what might save western culture. Who’s keeping Bach, Beethoven and Brahms alive? Just look at the faces and names of the kids who play in your local youth symphony (e.g. http://www.ecys.org).

    Of course the trick would be to bring in Asians who are interested in nontechnical fields such as classics and English.

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  156. AaronB says:
    @Gapeseed
    As a Scot-German, I am cheap as all get-out, and my penny-pinching ways extend to my politics. That said, a serious space program designed with planetary settlements in mind would invigorate the imaginations of everyone, including whites. It would give many people a reason to grind.

    Very interesting. I think you’re right, that would definitely inspire large numbers of people.

    It’s definitely a grander vision that HBD, genes, race realism.

    Have you noticed that so many right wing values are just glorified prudence? Prudence is fine, but it just doesn’t inspire.

    People will gladly sacrifice prudence, for a grand vision, and the Left offers that, Jews off that, in spades.

    The right just doesn’t understand that. Mere self-preservation just won’t inspire large numbers of people, and definitely not the best people. Even Nietzsche knew this much.

    That liberal white woman who gets mugged and defends her black attacker is willing to sacrifice safety if she thinks she is part of this grand narrative of moral progress, and look at what the Germans in WW2 were willing to sacrifice for some grand vision, however asinine!

    Basing white nationalism on HBD is bound to attract the worst people, as people who care most about their precious selves aren’t worth much.

    People want something slightly irrational and grandiose and universal, and staying alive ain’t it.

    But I wonder if we could base it on some grand romantic project to colonize space for the benefit of the human race?

    It would definitely attract a higher calibre of people than the canaille that hangs put at Vox Day, for example.

    But from my point of view it would be just another dream of power, and I couldn’t support it, myself.

    But you are onto something.

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    I definitely agree about your take on conservatism equalling prudence. Eating your vegetables definitely does not inspire when others are offering cake and ice cream.

    To be blunt, what this country needs is a Space Race. The best thing that could happen to the United States is a Chinese/Japanese/Indian lunar or Martian colony. It would be a kick in the pants and would wipe away the navel-gazing ennui we are mired in.

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  157. @Китайский дурак
    Reading these comments makes one very depressed. These old white retard racists do not understand the first thing about Nation. They don’t even understand the first thing about Race. And we don’t want to even mention the question of National Essence, or National Soul. Yeah right all Chinese and all Japanese are one big happy hardworking race. All Indians are the same. Germans and East Europeans and Russians are one singular race too aren’t they?

    America is finished. Woe.

    Yan Shen, is that you?

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  158. nsa says:
    @Orwellian State
    What are you saying, that gentile whites are so enlightened they no longer care if their countries are being invaded and their cultures destroyed? The Jews who are in power are not content to just run the USA, they want to run the World, by taking control of the most powerful military in the world.

    One major reason why I voted for Trump was because of his promise of no more foreign interventions. Yet what did he do as soon as he came on board? He let the neocon Jews take over his foreign policy and is now trying to start wars everywhere. Not just the Mideast, Africa, Afghanistan and North Korea, a while back he was even talking about invading Venezuela. He's turning out to be nothing but another Jew puppet. At least John Kerry had the balls to stand up to Israel. Trump's entire admin bow to Netanyahu and kiss his ring. Nikki Haley is practically Netanyahu's mistress. These evil Zionist neocons are robbing our future generations to pay for their warmongering.

    If gentile whites don't assert themselves and take back their countries, they will soon lose it all because as soon as the Jews get their fingers on anything, they are sure to run it to the ground. They can't help themselves. They will always succumb to greed and lust. Look at the rot in Hollywood, media, Wall Street, the DNC, the media coverup and this whole corrupt mess with the FBI/Clinton/Obama admin, the Jews have sold their souls to the devil, you want to let these people run your life without even putting up a fight? Meanwhile, the northern Europeans like the Swedes, Germans and the British are letting Muslims rape their women without even putting up a fight. Some are even advocating women should start wearing hijabs. Do you want the west to start looking more like India, China, Africa, Mexico, Guatemala, the Mideast and other 3rd world hell holes? What kind of enlightenment is this? Sounds more like capitulation to me.

    Think of Trump as the Jooie Easter Bunny……hopping around leaving bright, gaudy, tooth rottingly sweet eggs for all the childlike groups the jooies control as a reward for their abject servility. A war in the Hindu Kush to appease the pentagon, moving the capitol of the USA from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem to appease the zio-chrissies, a bigly wall to appease the nativists, lifting of the inheritance tax to appease entrenched wealth, lowering the corporate tax to goose the dow for investors, keep interest rates low to lubricate commerce and the lower classes, twitter away to appeal to the techno narcissists, bad mouth the nfl goons to appeal to racists, hire on lots of senile VFW generals to appeal to patriots, etc, etc. And the sugary jooie eggs are out in the open and not even hidden……

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  159. Thomm says:
    @AaronB
    I largely agree with your comment, but I don't think Priss agrees. He brought up Asian hard work as if it's a negative, which is strangely common among whites upset over the rise of Asians, and like to pretend their own rise was utterly effortless and not based on tremendous hard work!

    Anyone seriously interested in reversing white decline would immediately identify its cause in a radical collapse in motivation - an unwilling to do the incredibly hard work needed to gain and keep power, an unwillingness to "grind" - and not console himself with fairy takes of an effortless white rise without insane amounts of hard work.

    Of course, from my point of view I think it's wonderful that whites are no longer willing to be slavish grinds for the sake of power, and I feel sorry for Asians and Jews.

    But if Priss has enough insight to realize that being a slavish grind sucks, he should understand what that really means.

    Also, I think the "creativity" movement only came onto the scene when creativity was drying up. If the system was still producing creativity no one would have thought it needed to be fixed.

    After that, it may have been used for propoganda purposes.

    So I differ with you on that, mainly.

    which is strangely common among whites upset over the rise of Asians, and like to pretend their own rise was utterly effortless and not based on tremendous hard work!

    Remember that us normal whites have no problem with anyone rising up with hard work. Isn’t laziness the primary criticism of blacks? Isn’t that why the 10% of blacks who work very hard really make our day when we see them?

    Remember that White Nationalists are lazy and have Negro IQs, so all they want is intra-white socialism. They feel entitled to the fruits of hardworking whites. That is why WN economic views are so left-wing.

    The reason White Trashionalists hate Asian hard work is that it reminds them of their own inadequacies, and that the rest of us want to reward hard work, independent of race (ensuring Asians are more respected my mainstream whites than WN wiggers are).

    Essentially, WN wiggers are bitter that mainstream whites have a far more honorable value system than WN wiggers. Other than shared ancestry from Europe, WNs aren’t really ‘white’ in character.

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    Remember that us normal whites have no problem

    Neither you nor AaronB are white.
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  160. @Frank the Prof

    What do or did Japan or China ever invent, or do anything that was new other than copy and of course, re-engineer in its own name? Oh, and out-and-out steal the industrial secrets they needed from us?
     
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/03/opinion/lost-einsteins-innovation-inequality.html

    Scroll Down to "Patents per 1,000 children, by race and 3rd-grade math performance"

    Asian 8.2 per 1000
    White 3.6 per 1000
    Black 1.0 per 1000
    Hispanic 0.6 per 1000

    This is the US only.

    Not a good metric. Half of patents are overturned upon their first hearing in an actual court of law.

    The US patent system is so bad that you can basically patent your grandmother. There are a few famous cases of obviously impossible ‘inventions’ which still received patents, including a compression algorithm that was guaranteed to compress any input string without loss by at least 1 bit each time. Any fool could see that this is impossible.

    The greater number of patent applications by asians is also underdetermined by the theory that they have greater incentive in submitting patent applications. Whites, it must be said, are hopeless noncompetitive in terms of ambition these days. (non-jewish whites i mean)

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  161. @silviosilver
    Get real dude, I would have rather Chinese than Indians any day. At least the Chinese don't mind keeping to themselves. I have found that even if an area is massively Chinese - like say 75% - it's still quite easy to find places - restaurants, clubs, bars - that are pretty much completely free of Chinese people. So their presence in an area doesn't bother me as much as it otherwise would. (Of course, if I could press a button and make them all vanish, I'd do it in a heartbeat.)

    Indians on the other hand tend to infiltrate white settings to a much more disturbing degree. Unlike the Chinese, they can't seem to take the hint that they're not wanted. Even though they're racially more similar to whites than Chinese are, they take way more offense at being rejected by white people. It's bizarre how apeshit they go when they detect that whites don't want them around. It's like, what did you expect dude, I'm not gonna notice what a hindoo you are?

    And I haven't even begun to talk about the myriad psychological complexes that stalk the Indian psyche. The Chinese seem blissfully free of these complexes. The fact that Chinese civilization has actual accomplishments under its built is probably a big part of this. Hindoos on the other hand can really only look around and wonder why they are so wretched and pathetic. (Blacks haven't accomplished jack either, but they accept their lot more cheerfully than hindoos.) That's why they cling to their ancient "philosophical" texts so tenaciously, because at least those occasionally have some interesting things to say, which people of other cultures can actually appreciate without pretending. (They were probably penned by authors considerably more racially Aryan than anything one would have found in India over the last thousand or so years, of course.) And I wouldn't ordinarily say this, but I find hindoo demographic triumphalism so irritating I will say it - it really can't be much joy looking in the mirror as a hindoo.

    You know nothing about India or Hindu culture. Call your psychiatrist

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  162. @Thomm

    America does not have enough Jews and Asians to balance the roughly one billion Han Chinese whom Beijing increasingly can deploy in technical fields.
     
    That is why immigration of Indians (from India) is crucial. India is still a poor country with many basic problems, but for whatever reason, Indians are THE most successful ethnic group in the US, bar none. The Indians who come to the US are not exclusively some Top-1% tier either (more like Top 20%).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income

    This serves to counter the PRC juggernaut that you mention.

    “That is why immigration of Indians (from India) is crucial. India is still a poor country with many basic problems, but for whatever reason, Indians are THE most successful ethnic group in the US, bar none.”

    Good lord no.

    I don’t see any reason to believe that they are more successful than Ashkenazi jews. Usually those arguments rest on income, but truly rich people have trusts and corporations.

    I’d love for governments to release stats on medical insurance fraud (etc) by ethnicity. You’ll see Indians exponentially over-represented compared to other groups. They are a blight on societies that developed alongside norms of trust and fairness. Indians don’t give a crap about fairness or honesty. Their attitude is that cheating is okay, and if the system allows it, it is the system’s fault.

    Plus they have irresponsible reproductive rates and their women are butt ugly.

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    and their women are butt ugly.
     
    You are flat-out wrong here. Some of the most beautiful women I know are from India or of Indian descent.
    , @Thomm

    Usually those arguments rest on income, but truly rich people have trusts and corporations.
     
    The only uniform metric we have is income. Indians also have the highest incidence of graduate degrees in STEM. We don't know that they don't have trusts and corporations.

    I’d love for governments to release stats on medical insurance fraud (etc) by ethnicity. You’ll see Indians exponentially over-represented compared to other groups.
     
    Maybe. We need to see the stats.


    Plus they have irresponsible reproductive rates
     
    I think the reproductive rates of Indians in the US is just 1.5 or so. I never see a family here with more than three children. One is just as common as two.
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  163. Gapeseed says:
    @jbwilson24
    "That is why immigration of Indians (from India) is crucial. India is still a poor country with many basic problems, but for whatever reason, Indians are THE most successful ethnic group in the US, bar none."

    Good lord no.

    I don't see any reason to believe that they are more successful than Ashkenazi jews. Usually those arguments rest on income, but truly rich people have trusts and corporations.

    I'd love for governments to release stats on medical insurance fraud (etc) by ethnicity. You'll see Indians exponentially over-represented compared to other groups. They are a blight on societies that developed alongside norms of trust and fairness. Indians don't give a crap about fairness or honesty. Their attitude is that cheating is okay, and if the system allows it, it is the system's fault.

    Plus they have irresponsible reproductive rates and their women are butt ugly.

    and their women are butt ugly.

    You are flat-out wrong here. Some of the most beautiful women I know are from India or of Indian descent.

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  164. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @silviosilver
    Get real dude, I would have rather Chinese than Indians any day. At least the Chinese don't mind keeping to themselves. I have found that even if an area is massively Chinese - like say 75% - it's still quite easy to find places - restaurants, clubs, bars - that are pretty much completely free of Chinese people. So their presence in an area doesn't bother me as much as it otherwise would. (Of course, if I could press a button and make them all vanish, I'd do it in a heartbeat.)

    Indians on the other hand tend to infiltrate white settings to a much more disturbing degree. Unlike the Chinese, they can't seem to take the hint that they're not wanted. Even though they're racially more similar to whites than Chinese are, they take way more offense at being rejected by white people. It's bizarre how apeshit they go when they detect that whites don't want them around. It's like, what did you expect dude, I'm not gonna notice what a hindoo you are?

    And I haven't even begun to talk about the myriad psychological complexes that stalk the Indian psyche. The Chinese seem blissfully free of these complexes. The fact that Chinese civilization has actual accomplishments under its built is probably a big part of this. Hindoos on the other hand can really only look around and wonder why they are so wretched and pathetic. (Blacks haven't accomplished jack either, but they accept their lot more cheerfully than hindoos.) That's why they cling to their ancient "philosophical" texts so tenaciously, because at least those occasionally have some interesting things to say, which people of other cultures can actually appreciate without pretending. (They were probably penned by authors considerably more racially Aryan than anything one would have found in India over the last thousand or so years, of course.) And I wouldn't ordinarily say this, but I find hindoo demographic triumphalism so irritating I will say it - it really can't be much joy looking in the mirror as a hindoo.

    Perhaps because you’re the only one hinting they’re not wanted?

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    Another hindoo.

    This comment section is a perfect illustration of why we don't want more Indians.

    Look at all of them sock puppeting to push for more hindoos to come to America.

    That's why Singapore caps your race at a percentage, because you guys are like a cancer on any society you touch.
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  165. MarkinLA says:
    @AaronB
    I partially agree with you and see where you're coming from, but let me make a few points.

    It is just not in the nature of whites to want to become grinders and this open borders crap is forcing it on us
     
    .

    This is obviously untrue. If you know anything about the 19th century German or British educational system you'll know this is about ad untrue as can be.

    Historically, and quite recently, whites were just as much grinders as Asians. See the autobiography of John Stuart Mill for an extreme example.

    Today, whites are no longer grinders, because there don't seem to be any goals worth grinding for.

    Now, I'm very sympathetic to you when you say you don't want Asians to introduce their grinding ways into modern America.

    It's s big problem, and one that whites had with Jews before.

    What do you do when you have a few groups with very different levels of motivation competing in the same space?

    But more than that, I am delighted with the fact that whites stopped being ambitious strivers and grinders, because I don't see those values as being very important.

    Having large numbers of of strivey Asians and Jews around will only delay this country moving away from those discredited values and into something positive and happiness producing.

    I am pleased to see that you seem to agree that strivey ambitious values suck, and there's better things in life.

    I'm somewhat opposed to immigration as well, but funnily enough, for the exact opposite reasons that WNs are.

    I don't want our country to return to 'greatness' but to finally move on to something better.

    That's why I'm actually happier to see Mexicans come in than super ambitious Asians, but I don't think its too big of a deal.

    I am also against strife and discord, and in today's multicultural climate, it's obvious immigration leads to much hatred and resentment among all parties.

    It doesn't have to be that way, and under better social arrangements we wouldn't all be at each others throats like we are now, but for the moment, maybe we all need a separation for a while, although I personally have no problems with people of any race (although some have had a problem with me).

    I also see things as very much a catch-22 - whites will never stop immigration unless they rediscover some source of inner motivation, but if that happened, immigration would be much less of a threat anyways.

    Historically, and quite recently, whites were just as much grinders as Asians.

    Really, you think 1950s era American kids were grinders? Even in the mid 70s, when I went to high school, the SAT was just something that you showed up and took without any preparation and was a truer measure of your innate aptitude.

    Taking all these useless AP courses and SAT prep no longer make it a true representative of your innate aptitude which was its purpose for finding out who was smart but not so bookish.

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    No, no, I meant much earlier. By the 1950s whites weren't interesting in doing much.

    I was just reading the autobiography of my favorite writer on Buddhism Edward Conze and he was saying how he simply couldn't teach it to English people in the 50s because they were unwilling to memorize anything or accept any discipline.

    He also gives a fascinating account of how standards collapsed in Britain across all fields, things just couldn't get done anymore.

    I completely agree with you that the SATs don't mean what they used to, and definitely there is little meaning to the modest differences one often sees between some groups.

    I also don't think IQ means what it used, and the smallish differences one sees betweem groups can't really be used to base these sweeping generalizations on.

    But humans love to rank.
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  166. Thomm says:
    @jbwilson24
    "That is why immigration of Indians (from India) is crucial. India is still a poor country with many basic problems, but for whatever reason, Indians are THE most successful ethnic group in the US, bar none."

    Good lord no.

    I don't see any reason to believe that they are more successful than Ashkenazi jews. Usually those arguments rest on income, but truly rich people have trusts and corporations.

    I'd love for governments to release stats on medical insurance fraud (etc) by ethnicity. You'll see Indians exponentially over-represented compared to other groups. They are a blight on societies that developed alongside norms of trust and fairness. Indians don't give a crap about fairness or honesty. Their attitude is that cheating is okay, and if the system allows it, it is the system's fault.

    Plus they have irresponsible reproductive rates and their women are butt ugly.

    Usually those arguments rest on income, but truly rich people have trusts and corporations.

    The only uniform metric we have is income. Indians also have the highest incidence of graduate degrees in STEM. We don’t know that they don’t have trusts and corporations.

    I’d love for governments to release stats on medical insurance fraud (etc) by ethnicity. You’ll see Indians exponentially over-represented compared to other groups.

    Maybe. We need to see the stats.

    Plus they have irresponsible reproductive rates

    I think the reproductive rates of Indians in the US is just 1.5 or so. I never see a family here with more than three children. One is just as common as two.

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    >I think the reproductive rates of Indians in the US is just 1.5 or so. I never see a family here with more than three children. One is just as common as two.

    Many of the first wave of South Asian immigrants (here and in Canada) in the 70s and 80s. had 5 or 7 kids apiece, yet their children invariably only had one or two. However, current South Asian emigrants start out at 2 or 3. I suppose you can attribute that to the different profile of migrant that comes over with India's economic progress. Nowadays, getting dual citizenship or residency for your kids overseas in China is "something you do" if you are upper-middle class, and I'm guessing its similar in India.

    @Gapeseed

    My thoughts exactly. The rulers of the United States wouldn't *dare* gut scientific research, border security, and health care to fund corporate tax cuts if the Soviet Union were still around. Besides, the world really is a safer, more stable place with more great powers.

    So, how can we re-create the positive aspects of the Cold War, in a multipolar, 21st Century version, while avoiding the negative aspects, such as constant paranoia about nuclear war?

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  167. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @attilathehen
    Which Anonymous are you? There are several. One is an anti-white Turk who finally outed himself, and then there's another Anonymous claiming he's a white man.

    Which Anonymous are you? There are several. One is an anti-white Turk who finally outed himself, and then there’s another Anonymous claiming he’s a white man.

    My guess is that there are more than two Anonymouses. But between the two options I’ll go with the one claiming to be a white man.

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  168. Gapeseed says:
    @AaronB
    Very interesting. I think you're right, that would definitely inspire large numbers of people.

    It's definitely a grander vision that HBD, genes, race realism.

    Have you noticed that so many right wing values are just glorified prudence? Prudence is fine, but it just doesn't inspire.

    People will gladly sacrifice prudence, for a grand vision, and the Left offers that, Jews off that, in spades.

    The right just doesn't understand that. Mere self-preservation just won't inspire large numbers of people, and definitely not the best people. Even Nietzsche knew this much.

    That liberal white woman who gets mugged and defends her black attacker is willing to sacrifice safety if she thinks she is part of this grand narrative of moral progress, and look at what the Germans in WW2 were willing to sacrifice for some grand vision, however asinine!

    Basing white nationalism on HBD is bound to attract the worst people, as people who care most about their precious selves aren't worth much.

    People want something slightly irrational and grandiose and universal, and staying alive ain't it.

    But I wonder if we could base it on some grand romantic project to colonize space for the benefit of the human race?

    It would definitely attract a higher calibre of people than the canaille that hangs put at Vox Day, for example.

    But from my point of view it would be just another dream of power, and I couldn't support it, myself.

    But you are onto something.

    I definitely agree about your take on conservatism equalling prudence. Eating your vegetables definitely does not inspire when others are offering cake and ice cream.

    To be blunt, what this country needs is a Space Race. The best thing that could happen to the United States is a Chinese/Japanese/Indian lunar or Martian colony. It would be a kick in the pants and would wipe away the navel-gazing ennui we are mired in.

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    It certainly would, I agree with you there.

    Whites have grown complacent and are living on their inherited intellectual capital.

    But I cannot share your enthusiasm because I believe the way out is through, and whites should turn away from quests for power once and for all and focus on discovering a happy way of life once again - i.e return to religion in some form.
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  169. D. K. says:
    @Art Deco
    Harvard and Yale student bodies are both about 25% jooie

    [Drums fingers]

    https://sites.google.com/site/nuritbaytch/

    Ah, my (and Mr. Unz’) good friend, Nurit:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/asian-quotas-in-the-ivy-league-we-see-nothing/

    I have been waiting years for her to return to enlighten us further….

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  170. Ronnie says:

    I just wanted to point out the obvious. In Ron Unz’s original articles and elsewhere it is clear that Jews are given about 25% of the places at Ivy League schools. Even when I was at Yale in the early seventies this was the case. If you speak about it you are scorned, called a racist and then systematically punished. So, out of the so-called “white” group, a majority of the students are Jews. The problem that Harvard is trying to conceal is that the Asians outscore and outshine the Jews who get the places. The Jews are selected because they are Jews – also, those average Jewish students sometimes have fathers who make million dollar contributions. This fact is never mentioned because the punishment for saying so is severe, no kidding. It is the elephant in the room in many areas of endeavor (media for example) in the USA. It is an amazing situation that is not discussed in polite company.

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    The problem that Harvard is trying to conceal is that the Asians outscore and outshine the Jews who get the places.
     
    This is true, but one must mention the exceptionally high proportion of Jewish men marrying Asian (Chinese and Indian) women these days. Jewish men don't want Jewish women.

    Hence, these two groups are slowly merging.
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  171. AaronB says:
    @MarkinLA
    Historically, and quite recently, whites were just as much grinders as Asians.

    Really, you think 1950s era American kids were grinders? Even in the mid 70s, when I went to high school, the SAT was just something that you showed up and took without any preparation and was a truer measure of your innate aptitude.

    Taking all these useless AP courses and SAT prep no longer make it a true representative of your innate aptitude which was its purpose for finding out who was smart but not so bookish.

    No, no, I meant much earlier. By the 1950s whites weren’t interesting in doing much.

    I was just reading the autobiography of my favorite writer on Buddhism Edward Conze and he was saying how he simply couldn’t teach it to English people in the 50s because they were unwilling to memorize anything or accept any discipline.

    He also gives a fascinating account of how standards collapsed in Britain across all fields, things just couldn’t get done anymore.

    I completely agree with you that the SATs don’t mean what they used to, and definitely there is little meaning to the modest differences one often sees between some groups.

    I also don’t think IQ means what it used, and the smallish differences one sees betweem groups can’t really be used to base these sweeping generalizations on.

    But humans love to rank.

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    By the 1950s whites weren’t interesting in doing much.

    Yeah, after 1950 white males just stopped inventing anything, even this computer I am typing on.
    , @Ringo
    "By the 1950s whites weren’t interesting in doing much." ????

    "Uh, Houston, Tranquility Base here, the Eagle has landed."
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  172. AaronB says:
    @Gapeseed
    I definitely agree about your take on conservatism equalling prudence. Eating your vegetables definitely does not inspire when others are offering cake and ice cream.

    To be blunt, what this country needs is a Space Race. The best thing that could happen to the United States is a Chinese/Japanese/Indian lunar or Martian colony. It would be a kick in the pants and would wipe away the navel-gazing ennui we are mired in.

    It certainly would, I agree with you there.

    Whites have grown complacent and are living on their inherited intellectual capital.

    But I cannot share your enthusiasm because I believe the way out is through, and whites should turn away from quests for power once and for all and focus on discovering a happy way of life once again – i.e return to religion in some form.

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    whites should turn away from quests for power once and for all and focus on discovering a happy way of life once again – i.e return to religion in some form.
     
    As a practicing Catholic, I certainly agree with you. But I think the two strands can be merged - the heroism and sacrifice needed for a space effort will inspire - and likewise be inspired - by religion. Think New World exploration. I want to live to see a church on the moon - Our Lady Queen of Heaven is my working title. Let's make it so.
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  173. nebulafox says:
    @Thomm

    Usually those arguments rest on income, but truly rich people have trusts and corporations.
     
    The only uniform metric we have is income. Indians also have the highest incidence of graduate degrees in STEM. We don't know that they don't have trusts and corporations.

    I’d love for governments to release stats on medical insurance fraud (etc) by ethnicity. You’ll see Indians exponentially over-represented compared to other groups.
     
    Maybe. We need to see the stats.


    Plus they have irresponsible reproductive rates
     
    I think the reproductive rates of Indians in the US is just 1.5 or so. I never see a family here with more than three children. One is just as common as two.

    >I think the reproductive rates of Indians in the US is just 1.5 or so. I never see a family here with more than three children. One is just as common as two.

    Many of the first wave of South Asian immigrants (here and in Canada) in the 70s and 80s. had 5 or 7 kids apiece, yet their children invariably only had one or two. However, current South Asian emigrants start out at 2 or 3. I suppose you can attribute that to the different profile of migrant that comes over with India’s economic progress. Nowadays, getting dual citizenship or residency for your kids overseas in China is “something you do” if you are upper-middle class, and I’m guessing its similar in India.

    My thoughts exactly. The rulers of the United States wouldn’t *dare* gut scientific research, border security, and health care to fund corporate tax cuts if the Soviet Union were still around. Besides, the world really is a safer, more stable place with more great powers.

    So, how can we re-create the positive aspects of the Cold War, in a multipolar, 21st Century version, while avoiding the negative aspects, such as constant paranoia about nuclear war?

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    Many of the first wave of South Asian immigrants (here and in Canada) in the 70s and 80s. had 5 or 7 kids apiece,
     
    I have never, ever seen such a family, even in that generation. You have to provide data to back that up.

    The earliest Indian immigrants (in the 60s and 70s) were, if anything, more educated than the ones now. There was no H1-B then, remember. They were all PhDs or MDs.

    Plus, Pew recently said that 87% of Indian adults are immigrants and only 13% are 2nd generation. If what you said were true, that would not be the case).

    I think you are confusing Arab Muslims with Indians.
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  174. Thomm says:
    @Ronnie
    I just wanted to point out the obvious. In Ron Unz’s original articles and elsewhere it is clear that Jews are given about 25% of the places at Ivy League schools. Even when I was at Yale in the early seventies this was the case. If you speak about it you are scorned, called a racist and then systematically punished. So, out of the so-called "white" group, a majority of the students are Jews. The problem that Harvard is trying to conceal is that the Asians outscore and outshine the Jews who get the places. The Jews are selected because they are Jews - also, those average Jewish students sometimes have fathers who make million dollar contributions. This fact is never mentioned because the punishment for saying so is severe, no kidding. It is the elephant in the room in many areas of endeavor (media for example) in the USA. It is an amazing situation that is not discussed in polite company.

    The problem that Harvard is trying to conceal is that the Asians outscore and outshine the Jews who get the places.

    This is true, but one must mention the exceptionally high proportion of Jewish men marrying Asian (Chinese and Indian) women these days. Jewish men don’t want Jewish women.

    Hence, these two groups are slowly merging.

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    This is true, but one must mention the exceptionally high proportion of Jewish men marrying Asian (Chinese and Indian) women these days. Jewish men don’t want Jewish women.
     
    That was the 90's. Things are different now. Jewish men are increasingly marrying black women. Of course Jewish women have always loved black men. Most black-white marriages are between black men and Jewish women.
    , @silviosilver

    Jewish men don’t want Jewish women.
     
    I see our sad little hindoo has now trained his evidence-free assertions on Jews. Yes, Jewish men are all salivating over hindoo "babes," lol.

    Our little hindoo needs to understand that even though Jewish activism has undoubtedly brought the white man low, when Jews ditch their sick supremacist cult ("Judaism") and lay off the loony "anti-racism," they're actually rather likable people. Hindoos, on the other hand, not so much.
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  175. Thomm says:
    @nebulafox
    >I think the reproductive rates of Indians in the US is just 1.5 or so. I never see a family here with more than three children. One is just as common as two.

    Many of the first wave of South Asian immigrants (here and in Canada) in the 70s and 80s. had 5 or 7 kids apiece, yet their children invariably only had one or two. However, current South Asian emigrants start out at 2 or 3. I suppose you can attribute that to the different profile of migrant that comes over with India's economic progress. Nowadays, getting dual citizenship or residency for your kids overseas in China is "something you do" if you are upper-middle class, and I'm guessing its similar in India.

    @Gapeseed

    My thoughts exactly. The rulers of the United States wouldn't *dare* gut scientific research, border security, and health care to fund corporate tax cuts if the Soviet Union were still around. Besides, the world really is a safer, more stable place with more great powers.

    So, how can we re-create the positive aspects of the Cold War, in a multipolar, 21st Century version, while avoiding the negative aspects, such as constant paranoia about nuclear war?

    Many of the first wave of South Asian immigrants (here and in Canada) in the 70s and 80s. had 5 or 7 kids apiece,

    I have never, ever seen such a family, even in that generation. You have to provide data to back that up.

    The earliest Indian immigrants (in the 60s and 70s) were, if anything, more educated than the ones now. There was no H1-B then, remember. They were all PhDs or MDs.

    Plus, Pew recently said that 87% of Indian adults are immigrants and only 13% are 2nd generation. If what you said were true, that would not be the case).

    I think you are confusing Arab Muslims with Indians.

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    My former roommate. A very kind older gentleman (I don't know when exactly he emigrated, but it had to have been at least before 1992, from our conversations) who worked as a computational physicist, was born in Pakistan, Canadian citizenship, 8 fully successful adult children. Devout Sunni Muslim, but still South Asian. It did happen.

    >I think you are confusing Arab Muslims with Indians.

    OT: but you should hear him talk about the Saudis-loathes them. His brother works there, and they treat the subcontinental laborers awfully. Sadly, however, a lot of Pakistanis openly try to push the ludicrous idea they are "really" descended from Arabs.

    More on topic, I readily admit that for Hindu migrants from the 70s and 80s, it might be different. I can't say. All the Indian-Americans I knew in college were my age and came from the usual 1-3 kid households.

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  176. Ronnie says:
    @Hail
    See comments by Razib Khan on this:

    You can’t manufacture leadership and charisma. Harvard’s role is to educate and inculcate the leaders of the next generation of Americans. It is the training ground for our natural aristocracy. Can American society actually conceive of a situation where 40% of those leaders are Asian? I doubt it. Asian Americans are not seen as plausible leaders. [...] Do we as a society need to abolish all discrimination by any means necessary? I’d say no.

    (From "Asian Americans Lack 'Good Character'" [May 16, 2015])
     

    I note that Razib Khan was born in Bangladesh (as far as I know) and has been in the USA from early childhood. His implicit endorsement of defacto race quotas to prevent an 'Asian takeover' of the USA's elite academia should be seen in this light.

    Is Jared Kushner our “natural aristocracy” ? An average student whose family reportedly made a large financial contribution to Harvard.

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  177. Hu Mi Yu says:
    @MarkinLA
    A lot of those inventions died out and cannot really be considered the basis for modern reincarnations. ALL major civilizations had their golden ages and collapses where many of their advances were lost to time. Gunpowder was a real Chinese invention that goes directly back to China and spread to the rest of the world. The printing press and escapement mechanism not so much.

    This ridiculous attempt to find something in a long lost burial mound and claim that it shows that X really invented Y and not Z in order to take undeserved credit for something is ridiculous.

    Gunpowder, rockets, porcelain, lacquer, silk, paddle-wheeled iron-clad ships, moveable type (ie printing), escapement mechanism (clocks), and the game of go for starters.

    A lot of those inventions died out and cannot really be considered the basis for modern reincarnations. ALL major civilizations had their golden ages and collapses where many of their advances were lost to time.

    It is amazing how many of them were reinvented in the West after Marco Polo popularized the journey.

    I left off the cannon and noodles. They must have died out, because artillery is no longer used, and no one eats pasta.

    I suppose you never studied LA history, so you wouldn’t have learned that pre-Hispanic Los Angeles was named Yang Na (¨Sunnyside Village”) after a homonymous village in China.

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    Did you think nobody would notice you cutting out the part about me giving credit for gunpowder to China while you babbled something about artillery? As for Marco Polo, other than noodles, what did he bring back that we are supposed to give the Chinese credit for? Yeah, yeah, the abacus started the whole computer revolution.
    , @MarkinLA
    I suppose you never studied LA history, so you wouldn’t have learned that pre-Hispanic Los Angeles was named Yang Na (¨Sunnyside Village”) after a homonymous village in China.

    Sorry but although there is a story about a great Chinese fleet that sailed in the 1400s, it seems they went west and not east. Since they never became a great maritime power, what does that say about Chinese intelligence?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zheng_He

    Even this story indicates supposed sunken ships in the Carribean. Why haven't they been excavated? Maybe this is just BS by a con man.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/1386655/Explorer-from-China-who-beat-Columbus-to-America.html
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  178. nebulafox says:

    “We can’t make whites as smart as East Asians; Mother Nature’s standing in the way.”

    Wrong. IQ is not set in stone, least of all over the course of generations. Culture is a tricky thing to change, and impossible to change overnight without extraordinarily nasty side effects, but it can be done. China faced a pretty rough stretch in the 1800s and 1900s where I rather doubt the average IQ was as high as in Europe, or after the Meiji Restoration, Japan. Hunger, illiteracy, ignorance, religious radicalism everywhere, and many of the highest potential people left fled abroad. Not to mention such lovely cultural practices like foot binding. Matter of fact, Germany during the Thirty Year’s War was a similar dysfunctional mess, with a political structure that makes Africa today look mild and enlightened by comparison. Germans in the 1600s definitely did not have their later Prussian dominated stereotypes for order, efficiency, and extreme academic success. (The Peace of Westphalia would spell the long-term doom of feudalism thanks to the rise of the nation-state curbing the abilities of individual lords to impose their capricious whims… which is why, no doubt, our oligarchs want to erase the concept completely, but that’s a different topic for a different time.) I doubt that average IQ there was as high as in France or China under the Kangxi Emperor, let alone Renaissance Florence, or even the Aztec Empire a century earlier.

    (OT: You’d see highly economically successful German ethnic enclaves all across Eastern Europe much as you’d see Chinatowns in Southeast Asia before the World Wars. They show up in Dostoevsky’s books all the time-the Russian slang word for “foreigner” for centuries was “German”, so commonplace they were.)

    Leaving aside my complete disagreement with the article’s conclusions (yes, I’d darn well prefer a Chinese or Indian physics genius to some “pure stock” methhead in rural Indiana as my choice for America’s gene pool, not least because that means he’ll be working for us rather than them in the race to utilize the human genome or implement high-Tc superconductivity or going to Mars or whatever if we play our cards right), let me throw out a cynical bone here: I think forcing Harvard to admit strictly by merit-which would flood it with The Wrong Type Of Minority-would takes its “prestige” down a peg among the bien-pensants who are really at the root of America’s problems. So, wouldn’t that be a better thing?

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    Much of what you say is very true, and I often use the case of Germany myself to show that so called "natural aptitudes" are in constant flux.

    How is it possible to think IQ is set in stone when we have so much evidence it is constantly changing?

    I am trying to get at the root of why it's so important for some people to see their current situation as expressive of eternal laws.

    Do they lack any historical sense? It's a very peculiar way of thinking which is very hard to maintain in the face of reality, but it's very hard to budge in those who suffer from this strange delusion.

    The best I've been able to figure out is that this kind of mentality craves certainty, predictability, and control.

    A mysterious world in flux that you can't pin down terrifies them.

    They like reality "dead" and unchanging because it reassures them.

    Do you have any insights into it?

    I had a friend who would freak out whenever I mentioned the world is full of mystery. He was heavily into science.

    When I mentioned to my sister that the gravitational constant, apparently changed during historical times and the laws of physics might not be immutable, she was frightened.

    In some ways this mentality lies st the bottom of science, but science properly understood does not in any way support this mentality.

    Derbyshire is an old man set in his ways. He developed a schema that only partially maps onto reality and no longer has the flexibility to consider new data or alternative perspectives.

    And of course, he is heavily into science and "rigid" ways of thinking, like math.

    But if anyone can shed some light onto this highly strange but all too common way of thinking I'd greatly appreciate it.

    Is it just a symptom of the senescence of our scientific civilization, where the root motivation behind science - desire for predictability - bursts out of all reasonable bounds and is carried to absurd lengths?

    Is it that as the edifice of science is crumbling and uncertainty is returning mystery to the world, the old guard doubles down?
    , @Orwellian State

    I think forcing Harvard to admit strictly by merit-which would flood it with The Wrong Type Of Minority-would takes its “prestige” down a peg among the bien-pensants who are really at the root of America’s problems. So, wouldn’t that be a better thing?
     
    Having these pompous institutions knocked down a peg or two in prestige would certainly be a good thing for America. However, Ivy educated Asian-Americans are the staunchest supporters of affirmative action. As an Asian-American I used to think they were dogs drinking too much of the Kool-aid but now I agree with them, albeit for different reasons.

    The Kool-Aid drinking Ivy educated Asians will always tell you that AA is necessary because blacks and hispanics are the oppressed, and that Asians "have it easy" in comparison even though many Asians grew up with parents working at the Dry Cleaners or restaurants grew up just as poor. They also want to stand out more. Harvard grads of East Asian descent make the most money after graduation, while blacks the least. Employers know the Asians are the cream of the crop while the blacks are AA admits. If Asian enrollment doubles, it would dilute the gene pool, the Asians won't be as special.

    I support AA for a different reason. I want our elite schools to admit fewer Asians because it appears many of the Asians who went to elite schools invariable turned into the biggest progressivetards, like Ted Lieu, Theodore Chang, Derrick Watson. These libtards are doing their parts to destroy the US as told by their deviant Jewish masters. We don't need more well indoctrinated fucktards like these dogs. They make me look bad. It would be wonderful if elite schools simply ban all Asians from attending. Fewer Asians will want to immigrate here, and fewer of those here will be indoctrinated into progressivetards and we will all be better off.

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  179. What “demand Hardfart hand over records”???? How much Federal money does Harvard get? The answer: tens of millions a year in grants, research, etc, etc. Simply make it a quid pro quo: no records, no money. The man with the money calls the tune, unless it is Gummint Incompetency Loony Tunes.

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  180. @Conor McGregor
    How many Asians are there in the world?

    Over 4 billion.

    Which Asians do you think are managing to get citizenship in the US?

    The wealthy and smart ones.

    What happens when both children and their parents know that doing well academically can earn them a ticket out of whatever shitty country they hail from and to a new life in America?

    Giant industries emerge to provide students with the sort of training (e.g., SAT tutoring centers, international schools, home tutors who make up to $100 per hour) they need to outcompete others for slots in American schools. Wealthy parents pay whatever is necessary to make sure their kids get this training. Students spend their childhoods sitting at their desks until they develop blod clots in their legs to take advantage of this training (often regardless of whether they want to, thanks to their parents). At the same time, sophisticated and very profitable networks emerge for obtaining American passports for families who want to become American citizens or simply for children whose parents want them to become American citizens.

    This problem has nothing to do with Asians being smarter than Caucasians, as anyone who has spent significant time in Asian countries should know. It has to do with the selective immigration of some of the smartest Asians in the world from a staggering large pool of Asian students (over ten times the size of the US student population), many of whom have been preparing themselves to be the best university applicants they can possibly be since elementary school. They are willing to do whatever it takes to bring themselves (and their money) to America, and the American universities are more than happy to accept them (and their money), even if it means everyone else has to suffer. I've tutored and I've worked at both international and local schools in Mainland China for over a decade, and what I'm describing is what I witness every single day. It seems like almost all my wealthy students, most of whom are in middle or elementary school, have somehow managed to get American (or Canadian or Australian) passports despite having spent virtually no time abroad. Few of them can string together a grammatically correct sentence in English, but they're already taking pre-pre-pre-pre-SAT courses for 600 RMB per hour and will be ready to take your kids' university spots in a decade or so -- after all, they have every right to do so as "American citizens." I suppose the situation wouldn't be so heinous if the vast majority of these students remained in the US for the rest of their lives after attending university there. However, family ties and government efforts (money, jobs, and status) to entice them back to China after graduation ensure that many of them will eventually return to China, which means the end effect is that American universities are choosing to educate China's (and other countries') "American" students at the expense of real American students because it's more profitable for them to do this.

    How many Asians are there in the world?

    Over 4 billion.

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    and not eu borders
    , @Biff

    we need borders
     
    Sorry, I already left.
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  181. nebulafox says:
    @Thomm

    Many of the first wave of South Asian immigrants (here and in Canada) in the 70s and 80s. had 5 or 7 kids apiece,
     
    I have never, ever seen such a family, even in that generation. You have to provide data to back that up.

    The earliest Indian immigrants (in the 60s and 70s) were, if anything, more educated than the ones now. There was no H1-B then, remember. They were all PhDs or MDs.

    Plus, Pew recently said that 87% of Indian adults are immigrants and only 13% are 2nd generation. If what you said were true, that would not be the case).

    I think you are confusing Arab Muslims with Indians.

    My former roommate. A very kind older gentleman (I don’t know when exactly he emigrated, but it had to have been at least before 1992, from our conversations) who worked as a computational physicist, was born in Pakistan, Canadian citizenship, 8 fully successful adult children. Devout Sunni Muslim, but still South Asian. It did happen.

    >I think you are confusing Arab Muslims with Indians.

    OT: but you should hear him talk about the Saudis-loathes them. His brother works there, and they treat the subcontinental laborers awfully. Sadly, however, a lot of Pakistanis openly try to push the ludicrous idea they are “really” descended from Arabs.

    More on topic, I readily admit that for Hindu migrants from the 70s and 80s, it might be different. I can’t say. All the Indian-Americans I knew in college were my age and came from the usual 1-3 kid households.

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  182. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
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    I partially agree with you and see where you're coming from, but let me make a few points.

    It is just not in the nature of whites to want to become grinders and this open borders crap is forcing it on us
     
    .

    This is obviously untrue. If you know anything about the 19th century German or British educational system you'll know this is about ad untrue as can be.

    Historically, and quite recently, whites were just as much grinders as Asians. See the autobiography of John Stuart Mill for an extreme example.

    Today, whites are no longer grinders, because there don't seem to be any goals worth grinding for.

    Now, I'm very sympathetic to you when you say you don't want Asians to introduce their grinding ways into modern America.

    It's s big problem, and one that whites had with Jews before.

    What do you do when you have a few groups with very different levels of motivation competing in the same space?

    But more than that, I am delighted with the fact that whites stopped being ambitious strivers and grinders, because I don't see those values as being very important.

    Having large numbers of of strivey Asians and Jews around will only delay this country moving away from those discredited values and into something positive and happiness producing.

    I am pleased to see that you seem to agree that strivey ambitious values suck, and there's better things in life.

    I'm somewhat opposed to immigration as well, but funnily enough, for the exact opposite reasons that WNs are.

    I don't want our country to return to 'greatness' but to finally move on to something better.

    That's why I'm actually happier to see Mexicans come in than super ambitious Asians, but I don't think its too big of a deal.

    I am also against strife and discord, and in today's multicultural climate, it's obvious immigration leads to much hatred and resentment among all parties.

    It doesn't have to be that way, and under better social arrangements we wouldn't all be at each others throats like we are now, but for the moment, maybe we all need a separation for a while, although I personally have no problems with people of any race (although some have had a problem with me).

    I also see things as very much a catch-22 - whites will never stop immigration unless they rediscover some source of inner motivation, but if that happened, immigration would be much less of a threat anyways.

    I also see things as very much a catch-22 – whites will never stop immigration unless they rediscover some source of inner motivation, but if that happened, immigration would be much less of a threat anyways.

    We tried, that’s why we elected Trump, who instantly cucked out. The Jews got him by the balls, even married into his family. They want their open borders because a multicultural society is “safer” for the Jews, never mind if it turns the country into an ungovernable mess — dilute the white power, divide and conquer.

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    I agree, you tried with Trump and he failed you.

    Are you aware that Trumps advisor was Roy Cohn, a Jew? Trump represents the ultimate triumph of Jewish values.

    Even his mannerisms are fully Jewish.

    I know he presented himself as the champion of the common man, but this should not come as a surprise. The devil can wear a suit when he needs to.
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  183. @norse nestor

    How many Asians are there in the world?

    Over 4 billion.
     
    we need borders

    and not eu borders

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  184. @AaronB
    I partially agree with you and see where you're coming from, but let me make a few points.

    It is just not in the nature of whites to want to become grinders and this open borders crap is forcing it on us
     
    .

    This is obviously untrue. If you know anything about the 19th century German or British educational system you'll know this is about ad untrue as can be.

    Historically, and quite recently, whites were just as much grinders as Asians. See the autobiography of John Stuart Mill for an extreme example.

    Today, whites are no longer grinders, because there don't seem to be any goals worth grinding for.

    Now, I'm very sympathetic to you when you say you don't want Asians to introduce their grinding ways into modern America.

    It's s big problem, and one that whites had with Jews before.

    What do you do when you have a few groups with very different levels of motivation competing in the same space?

    But more than that, I am delighted with the fact that whites stopped being ambitious strivers and grinders, because I don't see those values as being very important.

    Having large numbers of of strivey Asians and Jews around will only delay this country moving away from those discredited values and into something positive and happiness producing.

    I am pleased to see that you seem to agree that strivey ambitious values suck, and there's better things in life.

    I'm somewhat opposed to immigration as well, but funnily enough, for the exact opposite reasons that WNs are.

    I don't want our country to return to 'greatness' but to finally move on to something better.

    That's why I'm actually happier to see Mexicans come in than super ambitious Asians, but I don't think its too big of a deal.

    I am also against strife and discord, and in today's multicultural climate, it's obvious immigration leads to much hatred and resentment among all parties.

    It doesn't have to be that way, and under better social arrangements we wouldn't all be at each others throats like we are now, but for the moment, maybe we all need a separation for a while, although I personally have no problems with people of any race (although some have had a problem with me).

    I also see things as very much a catch-22 - whites will never stop immigration unless they rediscover some source of inner motivation, but if that happened, immigration would be much less of a threat anyways.

    Historically, and quite recently, whites were just as much grinders as Asians.

    This is true. Even up through the 90′s, we would always read about this thing called “Protestant work ethic”. Now our kids are being told in school that saying “you can succeed in anything if you work hard enough” is racist.

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  185. AaronB says:
    @nebulafox
    "We can’t make whites as smart as East Asians; Mother Nature’s standing in the way."

    Wrong. IQ is not set in stone, least of all over the course of generations. Culture is a tricky thing to change, and impossible to change overnight without extraordinarily nasty side effects, but it can be done. China faced a pretty rough stretch in the 1800s and 1900s where I rather doubt the average IQ was as high as in Europe, or after the Meiji Restoration, Japan. Hunger, illiteracy, ignorance, religious radicalism everywhere, and many of the highest potential people left fled abroad. Not to mention such lovely cultural practices like foot binding. Matter of fact, Germany during the Thirty Year's War was a similar dysfunctional mess, with a political structure that makes Africa today look mild and enlightened by comparison. Germans in the 1600s definitely did not have their later Prussian dominated stereotypes for order, efficiency, and extreme academic success. (The Peace of Westphalia would spell the long-term doom of feudalism thanks to the rise of the nation-state curbing the abilities of individual lords to impose their capricious whims... which is why, no doubt, our oligarchs want to erase the concept completely, but that's a different topic for a different time.) I doubt that average IQ there was as high as in France or China under the Kangxi Emperor, let alone Renaissance Florence, or even the Aztec Empire a century earlier.

    (OT: You'd see highly economically successful German ethnic enclaves all across Eastern Europe much as you'd see Chinatowns in Southeast Asia before the World Wars. They show up in Dostoevsky's books all the time-the Russian slang word for "foreigner" for centuries was "German", so commonplace they were.)

    Leaving aside my complete disagreement with the article's conclusions (yes, I'd darn well prefer a Chinese or Indian physics genius to some "pure stock" methhead in rural Indiana as my choice for America's gene pool, not least because that means he'll be working for us rather than them in the race to utilize the human genome or implement high-Tc superconductivity or going to Mars or whatever if we play our cards right), let me throw out a cynical bone here: I think forcing Harvard to admit strictly by merit-which would flood it with The Wrong Type Of Minority-would takes its "prestige" down a peg among the bien-pensants who are really at the root of America's problems. So, wouldn't that be a better thing?

    Much of what you say is very true, and I often use the case of Germany myself to show that so called “natural aptitudes” are in constant flux.

    How is it possible to think IQ is set in stone when we have so much evidence it is constantly changing?

    I am trying to get at the root of why it’s so important for some people to see their current situation as expressive of eternal laws.

    Do they lack any historical sense? It’s a very peculiar way of thinking which is very hard to maintain in the face of reality, but it’s very hard to budge in those who suffer from this strange delusion.

    The best I’ve been able to figure out is that this kind of mentality craves certainty, predictability, and control.

    A mysterious world in flux that you can’t pin down terrifies them.

    They like reality “dead” and unchanging because it reassures them.

    Do you have any insights into it?

    I had a friend who would freak out whenever I mentioned the world is full of mystery. He was heavily into science.

    When I mentioned to my sister that the gravitational constant, apparently changed during historical times and the laws of physics might not be immutable, she was frightened.

    In some ways this mentality lies st the bottom of science, but science properly understood does not in any way support this mentality.

    Derbyshire is an old man set in his ways. He developed a schema that only partially maps onto reality and no longer has the flexibility to consider new data or alternative perspectives.

    And of course, he is heavily into science and “rigid” ways of thinking, like math.

    But if anyone can shed some light onto this highly strange but all too common way of thinking I’d greatly appreciate it.

    Is it just a symptom of the senescence of our scientific civilization, where the root motivation behind science – desire for predictability – bursts out of all reasonable bounds and is carried to absurd lengths?

    Is it that as the edifice of science is crumbling and uncertainty is returning mystery to the world, the old guard doubles down?

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  186. Gapeseed says:
    @AaronB
    It certainly would, I agree with you there.

    Whites have grown complacent and are living on their inherited intellectual capital.

    But I cannot share your enthusiasm because I believe the way out is through, and whites should turn away from quests for power once and for all and focus on discovering a happy way of life once again - i.e return to religion in some form.

    whites should turn away from quests for power once and for all and focus on discovering a happy way of life once again – i.e return to religion in some form.

    As a practicing Catholic, I certainly agree with you. But I think the two strands can be merged – the heroism and sacrifice needed for a space effort will inspire – and likewise be inspired – by religion. Think New World exploration. I want to live to see a church on the moon – Our Lady Queen of Heaven is my working title. Let’s make it so.

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    Well, it's certainly a better vision than HBD and the like, but unfortunately I don't see it happening.
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  187. srsly, world was fine with them
    we all got along without problems

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  188. @nebulafox
    "We can’t make whites as smart as East Asians; Mother Nature’s standing in the way."

    Wrong. IQ is not set in stone, least of all over the course of generations. Culture is a tricky thing to change, and impossible to change overnight without extraordinarily nasty side effects, but it can be done. China faced a pretty rough stretch in the 1800s and 1900s where I rather doubt the average IQ was as high as in Europe, or after the Meiji Restoration, Japan. Hunger, illiteracy, ignorance, religious radicalism everywhere, and many of the highest potential people left fled abroad. Not to mention such lovely cultural practices like foot binding. Matter of fact, Germany during the Thirty Year's War was a similar dysfunctional mess, with a political structure that makes Africa today look mild and enlightened by comparison. Germans in the 1600s definitely did not have their later Prussian dominated stereotypes for order, efficiency, and extreme academic success. (The Peace of Westphalia would spell the long-term doom of feudalism thanks to the rise of the nation-state curbing the abilities of individual lords to impose their capricious whims... which is why, no doubt, our oligarchs want to erase the concept completely, but that's a different topic for a different time.) I doubt that average IQ there was as high as in France or China under the Kangxi Emperor, let alone Renaissance Florence, or even the Aztec Empire a century earlier.

    (OT: You'd see highly economically successful German ethnic enclaves all across Eastern Europe much as you'd see Chinatowns in Southeast Asia before the World Wars. They show up in Dostoevsky's books all the time-the Russian slang word for "foreigner" for centuries was "German", so commonplace they were.)

    Leaving aside my complete disagreement with the article's conclusions (yes, I'd darn well prefer a Chinese or Indian physics genius to some "pure stock" methhead in rural Indiana as my choice for America's gene pool, not least because that means he'll be working for us rather than them in the race to utilize the human genome or implement high-Tc superconductivity or going to Mars or whatever if we play our cards right), let me throw out a cynical bone here: I think forcing Harvard to admit strictly by merit-which would flood it with The Wrong Type Of Minority-would takes its "prestige" down a peg among the bien-pensants who are really at the root of America's problems. So, wouldn't that be a better thing?

    I think forcing Harvard to admit strictly by merit-which would flood it with The Wrong Type Of Minority-would takes its “prestige” down a peg among the bien-pensants who are really at the root of America’s problems. So, wouldn’t that be a better thing?

    Having these pompous institutions knocked down a peg or two in prestige would certainly be a good thing for America. However, Ivy educated Asian-Americans are the staunchest supporters of affirmative action. As an Asian-American I used to think they were dogs drinking too much of the Kool-aid but now I agree with them, albeit for different reasons.

    The Kool-Aid drinking Ivy educated Asians will always tell you that AA is necessary because blacks and hispanics are the oppressed, and that Asians “have it easy” in comparison even though many Asians grew up with parents working at the Dry Cleaners or restaurants grew up just as poor. They also want to stand out more. Harvard grads of East Asian descent make the most money after graduation, while blacks the least. Employers know the Asians are the cream of the crop while the blacks are AA admits. If Asian enrollment doubles, it would dilute the gene pool, the Asians won’t be as special.

    I support AA for a different reason. I want our elite schools to admit fewer Asians because it appears many of the Asians who went to elite schools invariable turned into the biggest progressivetards, like Ted Lieu, Theodore Chang, Derrick Watson. These libtards are doing their parts to destroy the US as told by their deviant Jewish masters. We don’t need more well indoctrinated fucktards like these dogs. They make me look bad. It would be wonderful if elite schools simply ban all Asians from attending. Fewer Asians will want to immigrate here, and fewer of those here will be indoctrinated into progressivetards and we will all be better off.

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    they support it because they are already "in" why rock the boat if you are already in? :) all their descendants will have priority in admission :) it is why Mr. Unz's harvard talks fizzled out over this very issue. those already in or benefiting from the current rules, why would they want to destroy the rules?

    ask the asian students who were turned away because of the current rules :)

    people need to read up about the this issue before commenting.
    , @Bach

    I support AA for a different reason. I want our elite schools to admit fewer Asians because it appears many of the Asians who went to elite schools invariable turned into the biggest progressivetards, like Ted Lieu, Theodore Chang, Derrick Watson.
     
    Asian students at Cal and UCLA are less progressivetards?

    You're using bad logic. If more Asians were allowed to attend it would signal a shift in ethos.

    I don't think you appreciate the knock-on effects as well. To the extent the Ivies serve as gatekeepers to status/power, more Asians at elite schools would also allow other Asians to pursue interests outside the conventional and feel free to take more creative risks in their life pursuits.
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  189. @Anonymous
    Derbyshire is a pseudo-intellectual retard who went to a third-rate school. And his yellow fever is further affecting his limited and decaying brain. All of higher math was founded by white gentile males. Fermat, Fourier, Leplace, Boole, Lagrange, Reimann, Galois, Bernoulli, Cauchy, Pascal, Weierstrass, Descartes, Poincaré, Euler, Godel, Frege, ... But hey, worker-bot orientals whose free time during high school is spent at SAT prep schools are the real geniuses because they can do well on the standardized tests which were developed by that proceeding group of (((intellectual middlemen))) to get into these same schools founded by white gentiles.

    Derbyshire went to Imperial College, London. If you think that’s a “third-rate school” you are ignorant.

    It easily makes any world top-ten list and is #2 in the U.K. for STEM, ranking behind only Cambridge. It easily ranks above Dartmouth or UPenn.

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  190. MarkinLA says:
    @AaronB
    No, no, I meant much earlier. By the 1950s whites weren't interesting in doing much.

    I was just reading the autobiography of my favorite writer on Buddhism Edward Conze and he was saying how he simply couldn't teach it to English people in the 50s because they were unwilling to memorize anything or accept any discipline.

    He also gives a fascinating account of how standards collapsed in Britain across all fields, things just couldn't get done anymore.

    I completely agree with you that the SATs don't mean what they used to, and definitely there is little meaning to the modest differences one often sees between some groups.

    I also don't think IQ means what it used, and the smallish differences one sees betweem groups can't really be used to base these sweeping generalizations on.

    But humans love to rank.

    By the 1950s whites weren’t interesting in doing much.

    Yeah, after 1950 white males just stopped inventing anything, even this computer I am typing on.

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    Mere elaborations of already existing knowledge.

    There is a time lag before all the possibilities of previously discovered knowledge are exhausted.
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  191. Winston says:
    @Anonymous

    God knows, we’ve been trying for decades, with essentially zero results. W e can’t make whites as smart as East Asians; Mother Nature’s standing in the way.
     
    Yet it was the gentile whites who founded all the most prestigious universities in the world. If the Asians are that smart, why can't they open their own world class universities? Why are they all clamoring for our universities? Our founding fathers founded these universities to educate their descendants, not the descendants of foreign nationals! Let the Asians stay in Asia and go to their own universities. America does not need them. We have plenty of our own talents who are now disenfranchised and demoralized as they increasingly feel like foreigners in their own country.

    Cambridge and Oxford were way more prestigious than Harvard 100 years ago. Harvard now is the most prestigious university in the world because the US is still the only superpower. The US can remain as the superpower only because it attracts the brightest and ablest from all over the world.

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    The US can remain as the superpower only because it attracts the brightest and ablest from all over the world.
     
    America could have received the benefits of immigration without any of the (exorbitant) costs through eugenics. How many people settle each year, some 1.5 million? Perhaps only some 1% of them could be considered the "best and brightest," so say 15,000. If there are some 200 million whites (or close enough to whites), then 1% of this population is about 2 million. According to CDC data, the most highly educated (and hence intelligent) Americans reproduce at a rate considerably lower than average. Providing a sufficient financial incentive to this subset could quite easily double or triple its fertility rate. A boost equivalent to fertility rise of 1% of this population - 20,000 newborns - would annually exceed the arrivals of third world "best and brightest." And if it's only a matter of 20,000 people, then financial costs would be no impediment, no matter how high. Even at a price tag of $1 million per newborn it's still only $20 billion annually - a pittance compared to (a) the costs exacted by mass immigration, and (b) the presumed benefit of being able to remain a superpower.
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  192. @Thomm

    The problem that Harvard is trying to conceal is that the Asians outscore and outshine the Jews who get the places.
     
    This is true, but one must mention the exceptionally high proportion of Jewish men marrying Asian (Chinese and Indian) women these days. Jewish men don't want Jewish women.

    Hence, these two groups are slowly merging.

    This is true, but one must mention the exceptionally high proportion of Jewish men marrying Asian (Chinese and Indian) women these days. Jewish men don’t want Jewish women.

    That was the 90′s. Things are different now. Jewish men are increasingly marrying black women. Of course Jewish women have always loved black men. Most black-white marriages are between black men and Jewish women.

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    There will be quite a drop in IQ in the kids.
    Or from the other (black) side, a rise in IQ.
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  193. MarkinLA says:
    @Hu Mi Yu


    Gunpowder, rockets, porcelain, lacquer, silk, paddle-wheeled iron-clad ships, moveable type (ie printing), escapement mechanism (clocks), and the game of go for starters.
     
    A lot of those inventions died out and cannot really be considered the basis for modern reincarnations. ALL major civilizations had their golden ages and collapses where many of their advances were lost to time.
     
    It is amazing how many of them were reinvented in the West after Marco Polo popularized the journey.

    I left off the cannon and noodles. They must have died out, because artillery is no longer used, and no one eats pasta.

    I suppose you never studied LA history, so you wouldn't have learned that pre-Hispanic Los Angeles was named Yang Na (¨Sunnyside Village") after a homonymous village in China.

    Did you think nobody would notice you cutting out the part about me giving credit for gunpowder to China while you babbled something about artillery? As for Marco Polo, other than noodles, what did he bring back that we are supposed to give the Chinese credit for? Yeah, yeah, the abacus started the whole computer revolution.

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  194. pyrrhus says:
    @D. K.
    What Mr. Unz' study actually found was that Harvard discriminated against non-Hispanic White Gentiles-- i.e., the American majority population, historically and still-- about twice as badly as it did against so-called "Asians" (a ludicrous amalgam of East Asian "Orientals"-- as we used to refer to them-- and South Asian Caucasians):

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/eliteenrollment-large.jpg

    Almost every other elite college and university that Mr. Unz studied, for that groundbreaking article, also discriminated against non-Hispanic White Gentiles more than against so-called Asians.

    In addition, since so-called Asian applicants skew so prominently toward intended STEM majors, it is only natural that fewer are admitted to liberal-arts colleges and universities, which need and accept a much wider variety of intended subject majors, than is the case at technical colleges and universities.

    If you look at objective measures, i.e. SAT scores, you will find that whites are highly discriminated against, while asians are somewhat discriminated against. Major beneficiaries are Jews, who use power and money to get in above their numbers, and other minorities, who benefit from liberal tokenism. Fortunately, Harvard’s curriculum is now so watered down that students would learn more at many top State universities….Of course, what students really want is a piece of paper with Harvard’s name on it so they can get no-work jobs in Government or corporations…

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  195. AaronB says:
    @MarkinLA
    By the 1950s whites weren’t interesting in doing much.

    Yeah, after 1950 white males just stopped inventing anything, even this computer I am typing on.

    Mere elaborations of already existing knowledge.

    There is a time lag before all the possibilities of previously discovered knowledge are exhausted.

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    Not a computer engineer, eh?
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  196. MarkinLA says:
    @Hu Mi Yu


    Gunpowder, rockets, porcelain, lacquer, silk, paddle-wheeled iron-clad ships, moveable type (ie printing), escapement mechanism (clocks), and the game of go for starters.
     
    A lot of those inventions died out and cannot really be considered the basis for modern reincarnations. ALL major civilizations had their golden ages and collapses where many of their advances were lost to time.
     
    It is amazing how many of them were reinvented in the West after Marco Polo popularized the journey.

    I left off the cannon and noodles. They must have died out, because artillery is no longer used, and no one eats pasta.

    I suppose you never studied LA history, so you wouldn't have learned that pre-Hispanic Los Angeles was named Yang Na (¨Sunnyside Village") after a homonymous village in China.

    I suppose you never studied LA history, so you wouldn’t have learned that pre-Hispanic Los Angeles was named Yang Na (¨Sunnyside Village”) after a homonymous village in China.

    Sorry but although there is a story about a great Chinese fleet that sailed in the 1400s, it seems they went west and not east. Since they never became a great maritime power, what does that say about Chinese intelligence?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zheng_He

    Even this story indicates supposed sunken ships in the Carribean. Why haven’t they been excavated? Maybe this is just BS by a con man.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/1386655/Explorer-from-China-who-beat-Columbus-to-America.html

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  197. @Wade
    Yeah I don't know why the Derb doesn't at least mention this aspect to the story. It would be the irony of ironies if the DOJ took some action against Harvard forcing them to make Asians 40% of the Harvard student body while allowing them to continue to discriminate against white Gentiles.

    What is happening to white gentiles in the US and the west in general is heartbreaking. Our own gentile leaders seems helpless to even address it. I wonder why.

    Do you ever think that we’re (white gentiles) being put through a crypto-eugenics program? I find it’s a comforting thought. It would mean that our leaders aren’t the evil scum they seem to be. Maybe there are just too many White gentile idiots and our leaders are helpfully shearing them off (opiod crisis, blue collar job loss). Future generations of White gentiles will be better off for it and will see our current hated politicians as heroes.

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  198. Rdm says:
    @Yan Shen

    I do know, though, that if we adopt Derbian Minimalism as our immigration policy with 1) no further settlement of foreigners from anywhere and 2) severe restrictions on numbers of foreign students, we might at least stabilize the situation.
     
    As a traditional nationalist, I'm generally in favor of America smartly evaluating its immigration policies. I don't know if I could go as far as Derbian Minimalism. For starters, that would've eliminated someone like John Derbyshire coming over to the US from the UK. I think more generally speaking we should reduce legal immigration, make sure colleges don't favor foreign students over domestic ones, and adopt a sane immigration policy based mostly on merit. So while the Derb and I might not quite agree on the extent to which we should curtail immigration, I think we're mostly on the same page and want to move in the same direction.

    Where I'm less convinced is that curtailing immigration will somehow make everything all perfect once again. Given today's increasingly global society, countries are competitively affected even by other nations far away. As the hysteria of Japan bashing during the late 1980s and early 1990s in America showed, bad feelings can arise even when the offending people live thousands of miles away from you.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1991/06/16/europes-new-rage-japan-bashing/0b9b1f7b-e578-4aae-926b-e2bdd6809f68/?utm_term=.591409152e30


    A new wave of anti-Japanese sentiment is spreading across Europe as public admiration for Japan's remarkable postwar recovery is rapidly turning to fear that its economic juggernaut will soon smash key industries, conquer the unifying European market and transform the continent into an industrial colony.

    Books and newspapers are jammed with references to the "Japanese peril." The Japanese "salaryman's" arduous office hours, skimpy vacations and fanatical work ethic are scorned in France and Germany as anathema to an enlightened lifestyle, yet considered a warning of what the future might bring if Japanese firms succeed in dominating the European economy.
     

    Competition with China or Japan certainly isn't going to disappear just because there are fewer Chinese or Japanese living in the United States!

    hahahahaha…. such a naive thinking.

    John Derbyshire talking about restriction on US immigration and you think if such a policy is executed, there would be a sweeping immigration changes across the entire globe?

    Dude, Derby voted Trump to kick Muslim out of this country, not to ban his ilk alike coming to the US.

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  199. Rdm says:
    @attilathehen
    There was a lot going on during the Middle Ages. Plus, Europe had to deal with the Muslims. But this did give China and Japan time to invent something. They didn't.

    Dude,

    English and French fought war. This gave Spain and Portugal to invent something. But they didn’t. They colonized the Latin America.

    Germany and Italy had to deal with Ally. This gave Netherlands and Belgium to invent something. But they didn’t.

    Before industrial revolution, a lot of discoveries and inventions are basically Philosophy where you don’t need a physical labor. After that, everything changed. Money talks.

    You can’t sit your ass all day long, preaching some mumbo-jumbo and become another Confucius or Sun Tzu or Mencius these days. You need to prove your worth by some physical and intellectual labor these days.

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  200. Art Deco says:

    The Oriental and East Indian set accounts for 5.3% of the population of those between their 20th and 25th birthday. About 6.8% of the baccalaureate degrees awarded each year are awarded to this group. Good but not spectacular. The share they occupy in coarse categories of study is as follows:

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    15.4%: Biological and biomedical sciences
    14.6%: Precision production
    11.4%: Computer and information sciences
    11.4%: Engineering
    10.5%: Mathematics and statistics
    9.7%: Physical sciences and science technologies
    9.2%: Architecture and related services
    9.1%: Area, ethnic, cultural, gender, and group studies
    7.6%: Social sciences
    7.3%: Health professions and related programs
    7.0%: Business
    6.8%: Social sciences and history
    6.8%: All fields, total
    6.2%: Psychology
    5.9%: Visual and performing arts
    5.7%: Multi/interdisciplinary studies
    5.7%: Foreign languages, literatures, and linguistics
    5.6%: Communications technologies
    5.3%: Family and consumer sciences/human sciences
    5.2%: Philosophy and religious studies
    4.1%: Engineering technologies and engineering-related
    4.1%: Parks, recreation, leisure, and fitness studies
    3.8%: Communication, journalism, and related programs
    3.8%: English language and literature/letters
    3.7%: Legal professions and studies
    3.7%: Mechanic and repair technologies/technicians
    3.6%: Agriculture and natural resources
    3.6%: Transportation and materials moving
    3.4%: Liberal arts and sciences, general studies, and
    3.1%: History
    3.0%: Public administration and social services
    2.4%: Homeland security, law enforcement, and
    2.2%: Theology and religious vocations
    2.1%: Education
    2.0%: Construction trades
    0.7%: Military technologies and applied sciences

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  201. Biff says:
    @Anonymous
    Derbyshire is a pseudo-intellectual retard who went to a third-rate school. And his yellow fever is further affecting his limited and decaying brain. All of higher math was founded by white gentile males. Fermat, Fourier, Leplace, Boole, Lagrange, Reimann, Galois, Bernoulli, Cauchy, Pascal, Weierstrass, Descartes, Poincaré, Euler, Godel, Frege, ... But hey, worker-bot orientals whose free time during high school is spent at SAT prep schools are the real geniuses because they can do well on the standardized tests which were developed by that proceeding group of (((intellectual middlemen))) to get into these same schools founded by white gentiles.

    All of higher math was founded by white gentile males.

    That would be Islam in the sixth century AD. Algebra is an Arab term, and so is the concept of zero.

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    Aryan Indians invented zero. This was before they mixed with Asians and reduced their average IQ to 82.

    Babylonians (Caucasians) and Greeks (Europeans) came up with algebra. Algebra is an Arabic word but that's just a description name.
    , @Expletive Deleted
    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/history-of-zero/
    Italians got it from Arabs who got it from India who got it from ultimately Mesopotamia.
    Mayans and other mesoamericans managed to roll their own at least a couple of thousand years ago.
    Same as they did writing. And books.
    If they didn't exist, they would have been invented anyway. It's what humans do. Count, and record. And collect taxes.
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  202. Biff says:
    @norse nestor

    How many Asians are there in the world?

    Over 4 billion.
     
    we need borders

    we need borders

    Sorry, I already left.

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  203. @Orwellian State

    I think forcing Harvard to admit strictly by merit-which would flood it with The Wrong Type Of Minority-would takes its “prestige” down a peg among the bien-pensants who are really at the root of America’s problems. So, wouldn’t that be a better thing?
     
    Having these pompous institutions knocked down a peg or two in prestige would certainly be a good thing for America. However, Ivy educated Asian-Americans are the staunchest supporters of affirmative action. As an Asian-American I used to think they were dogs drinking too much of the Kool-aid but now I agree with them, albeit for different reasons.

    The Kool-Aid drinking Ivy educated Asians will always tell you that AA is necessary because blacks and hispanics are the oppressed, and that Asians "have it easy" in comparison even though many Asians grew up with parents working at the Dry Cleaners or restaurants grew up just as poor. They also want to stand out more. Harvard grads of East Asian descent make the most money after graduation, while blacks the least. Employers know the Asians are the cream of the crop while the blacks are AA admits. If Asian enrollment doubles, it would dilute the gene pool, the Asians won't be as special.

    I support AA for a different reason. I want our elite schools to admit fewer Asians because it appears many of the Asians who went to elite schools invariable turned into the biggest progressivetards, like Ted Lieu, Theodore Chang, Derrick Watson. These libtards are doing their parts to destroy the US as told by their deviant Jewish masters. We don't need more well indoctrinated fucktards like these dogs. They make me look bad. It would be wonderful if elite schools simply ban all Asians from attending. Fewer Asians will want to immigrate here, and fewer of those here will be indoctrinated into progressivetards and we will all be better off.

    they support it because they are already “in” why rock the boat if you are already in? :) all their descendants will have priority in admission :) it is why Mr. Unz’s harvard talks fizzled out over this very issue. those already in or benefiting from the current rules, why would they want to destroy the rules?

    ask the asian students who were turned away because of the current rules :)

    people need to read up about the this issue before commenting.

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  204. Biff says:
    @Anonymous

    God knows, we’ve been trying for decades, with essentially zero results. W e can’t make whites as smart as East Asians; Mother Nature’s standing in the way.
     
    Yet it was the gentile whites who founded all the most prestigious universities in the world. If the Asians are that smart, why can't they open their own world class universities? Why are they all clamoring for our universities? Our founding fathers founded these universities to educate their descendants, not the descendants of foreign nationals! Let the Asians stay in Asia and go to their own universities. America does not need them. We have plenty of our own talents who are now disenfranchised and demoralized as they increasingly feel like foreigners in their own country.

    The oldest universities in the world are in Asia – Turkey and Iraq respectively.

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    Oh, all of the 5-6 oldest in the world were in Asia. Not just those two.

    The oldest in Europe was in Italy. Northern Europe didn't have universities until much later. Remember that Julius Caesar considered only Persia and India to be societies equal to Rome (he didn't know about China). He considered northern Germanics and Britons in the most derogatory terms (much like how white nationalists describe blacks). He hated them as sub-humans.

    But no amount of facts you present will persuade these White Trashionalists, since their views are based entirely on emotion and insecurity. Remember that they have nothing in common with successful, intelligent whites. They just want to take our hard-earned resources as parasites.

    For example, this chart indicates how China + India were always about 50% of world GDP until the 19th century. After a decline, they are rapidly recovering back to this level, which arguably is the long-term norm.

    http://www.visualcapitalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/share-of-gdp-share.jpg

    But no White Trashionalist will agree with this irrefutable evidence. In fact, since they don't even know how to read graphs and charts, they cannot even understand this chart.

    , @attilathehen
    Then why are so many Chinese and Indians applying to Western universities? Same for the Muslims. They can go to school in Turkey.
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  205. Thomm says:
    @Biff
    The oldest universities in the world are in Asia - Turkey and Iraq respectively.

    Oh, all of the 5-6 oldest in the world were in Asia. Not just those two.

    The oldest in Europe was in Italy. Northern Europe didn’t have universities until much later. Remember that Julius Caesar considered only Persia and India to be societies equal to Rome (he didn’t know about China). He considered northern Germanics and Britons in the most derogatory terms (much like how white nationalists describe blacks). He hated them as sub-humans.

    But no amount of facts you present will persuade these White Trashionalists, since their views are based entirely on emotion and insecurity. Remember that they have nothing in common with successful, intelligent whites. They just want to take our hard-earned resources as parasites.

    For example, this chart indicates how China + India were always about 50% of world GDP until the 19th century. After a decline, they are rapidly recovering back to this level, which arguably is the long-term norm.

    But no White Trashionalist will agree with this irrefutable evidence. In fact, since they don’t even know how to read graphs and charts, they cannot even understand this chart.

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    Let's make it easy for you and Biff. Blacks/Asians/Muslims/Jews need to leave the West. Both of you are going with them. Let's see how long it is before you clamor to come back to the West.
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  206. geokat62 says:

    There: I just said it again. We’ve foolishly, heedlessly made a mess for ourselves with these decades of mass immigration.

    Now there are two things we have to do:

    One: We have to manage the mess as best we can.
    Two: We have to stop making it worse.

    Actually, there are three things we have to do:

    One: We have to clearly and undauntedly identify who the “we” is in your sentence “We’ve foolishly, heedlessly made a mess for ourselves with these decades of mass immigration.”
    Two: We have to manage the mess as best we can by calling for the immediate repeal of the Hart-Celler Act.
    Three: We have to stop ((them)) from making it worse

    But you already knew all this. But, for some reason, you are unwilling to admit it. Might this be the reason why:

    Yes, indeed I was, and am, “afraid of offending Jews.” Of course I am! For a person like myself, a Gentile who is a very minor name in American opinion journalism, desirous of ascending to some slightly less minor status, ticking off Jews is a very, very bad career strategy. – excerpt from Wrestling with Derbyshire’s Law, a dialogue with Joey Kurtzman:

    http://jewcy.com/post/wrestling_with_derbyshires_law

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  207. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Anon
    Perhaps because you're the only one hinting they're not wanted?

    Another hindoo.

    This comment section is a perfect illustration of why we don’t want more Indians.

    Look at all of them sock puppeting to push for more hindoos to come to America.

    That’s why Singapore caps your race at a percentage, because you guys are like a cancer on any society you touch.

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    Well, logic is weakening on you. If there are a lot of them, they aren't sock-puppeting, and if they are sock-puppeting, there aren't a lot of them.

    And, aww, does oo need a widdoo safe space? (Try Harvard).
    , @silviosilver

    Look at all of them sock puppeting to push for more hindoos to come to America.
     
    In fairness, all groups tend to do this, although the tendency probably declines with time. Hindoos, of course, are too new for this tendency to have had any time to decline.

    Opening the border to them is applied lunacy. The minute that's done, every Ranjeet, Sanjeet and Gupta wants in. The results are a demographic catastrophe of the ages.
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  208. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Anonymous
    Another hindoo.

    This comment section is a perfect illustration of why we don't want more Indians.

    Look at all of them sock puppeting to push for more hindoos to come to America.

    That's why Singapore caps your race at a percentage, because you guys are like a cancer on any society you touch.

    Well, logic is weakening on you. If there are a lot of them, they aren’t sock-puppeting, and if they are sock-puppeting, there aren’t a lot of them.

    And, aww, does oo need a widdoo safe space? (Try Harvard).

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    Lol.

    Your low iq of 82 is showing here. You obviously don't know what sock puppeting is.

    There are a lot of Indian trolls here who are trying to hide their identity so they can push for more hindoos. The quantity doesn't change whether they are sock puppeting or not.

    I doubt you are smart enough to grasp this though.
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  209. Biff says:
    @attilathehen
    What's your angle? No one is perfect. But you have to admit the English empire was the greatest ever. What's with the fat ugly women? The rumor is that Rhodes was a closeted homosexual.

    What’s your angle? No one is perfect. But you have to admit the English empire was the greatest ever. What’s with the fat ugly women? The rumor is that Rhodes was a closeted homosexual.

    I don’t have to admit anything – the pommie pack wasn’t all that impressive.

    I was comparing the fat(American) ugly(white) women with that of the slender attractive more intelligent Asian women – it’s no contest.

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    I like the cut of your jib. Particularly the way you put that uppity yenta Attilathelen in her place.

    She does not even know that Atilla the Hun was of an Oriental appearance, and not Caucasian by any definition of the term.
    , @attilathehen
    Another yellow fever degenerate. Move to Asia. We don't need more worthless imports like Derbyshire's dragon lady.
    , @silviosilver

    I was comparing the fat(American) ugly(white) women with that of the slender attractive more intelligent Asian women – it’s no contest.
     
    Well duh, if you compare the fat and ugly women of one race with the slender and attractive specimens of another race, the latter will always look more desirable, no matter the races involved in the comparison.

    If you compare white women in the upper echelons of beauty with their appropriate asian counterparts, well, let's just say modesty prohibits me from making too much of the lopsided comparison.

    This is all borne out by empirical evidence from mixed-race countries. In all such countries, from India to Egypt to Bolivia, it's the whitest looking specimens that predominate in television and advertising, no matter how small a proportion of the general population they comprise. In other words, when it comes attracting eyeballs, anti-racist equalitarian ideology is forced to take a back seat.

    Social constructivists, try very, very hard to dispel such "myths." Their attempts, needless to say, continually find themselves dashed against the rocks of racial reality.
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  210. Ringo says:
    @AaronB
    No, no, I meant much earlier. By the 1950s whites weren't interesting in doing much.

    I was just reading the autobiography of my favorite writer on Buddhism Edward Conze and he was saying how he simply couldn't teach it to English people in the 50s because they were unwilling to memorize anything or accept any discipline.

    He also gives a fascinating account of how standards collapsed in Britain across all fields, things just couldn't get done anymore.

    I completely agree with you that the SATs don't mean what they used to, and definitely there is little meaning to the modest differences one often sees between some groups.

    I also don't think IQ means what it used, and the smallish differences one sees betweem groups can't really be used to base these sweeping generalizations on.

    But humans love to rank.

    “By the 1950s whites weren’t interesting in doing much.” ????

    “Uh, Houston, Tranquility Base here, the Eagle has landed.”

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    You're right, and I should modify my remarks.

    By the 1950s in America there were still white people willing to grind and work very hard, but the loss of morale had already gone very deep - and the 60s was a revolt against modern civilization.

    Heck, there are now white people willing to grind - look at Amazon.

    The social scene always has shades and layers it's not monochrome.

    Read Kerouac or the existentialists to get an idea of how disillusioned whites had become with modern civilization by that point, but really Western literature since the Romantics is just one lugubrious record of steadily eroding faith in modern civilization.

    For some reason, the literary and cultural record is ignored, and our current predicament isnt seen as the culmination of a long build up of dissatisfaction with modern civilization itself, but as a sudden derailment caused entirely by external actors.

    But anyone seriously wishing to come to terms with white decline cannot ignore this heavily documented unhappiness at the heart of modern civilization.
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  211. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @AaronB
    Mere elaborations of already existing knowledge.

    There is a time lag before all the possibilities of previously discovered knowledge are exhausted.

    Not a computer engineer, eh?

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  212. Muse says:
    @HogHappenin
    I've said it earlier in my other comments and I'll repeat it here. It is the Hindus who are probably the biggest competition to the Jews in their power structure in the US in the LONG RUN. They will play along the PC as long as it suits them and then after having taken a toe hold in almost all power wielding professions, they will inadvertently be placed in competition with the zios. Of course it'll be more complicated in India which will try to play along with the zio empire and Russia but somewhere it'll have to choose a side as the war intensifies and then it'll get interesting. I think by that time, quite a bit of power in the US would be with Zionist dot people (think Nikki Haley, an ardent Zionist). So I think the people who run the circus in the US know that this is coming and perhaps that is why they are letting the lower rung of Jews get displaced to be taken over by the dots.

    My observation is that at low to moderate rates of immigration, high IQ Hindu immigrants assimilate well and are a net plus. I would bet based on my observations that second generation Hindu immigrant children are marrying out of their groups at a rate around 65-70%, and from a values stand point they seem make good citizens. Within four generations I would expect them to be fully assimilated.

    I don’t believe any low skill, low class Hindus or any other group should be allowed in the country because this hurts the working class too much.

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  213. Thomm says:
    @Biff

    What’s your angle? No one is perfect. But you have to admit the English empire was the greatest ever. What’s with the fat ugly women? The rumor is that Rhodes was a closeted homosexual.
     
    I don’t have to admit anything - the pommie pack wasn’t all that impressive.

    I was comparing the fat(American) ugly(white) women with that of the slender attractive more intelligent Asian women - it’s no contest.

    I like the cut of your jib. Particularly the way you put that uppity yenta Attilathelen in her place.

    She does not even know that Atilla the Hun was of an Oriental appearance, and not Caucasian by any definition of the term.

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    Atilla was of Eurasian stock and people from that region are of a varied appearance gradually moving from more Asian looking in the eastern 'stans' to more Caucasian looking as you move west

    This is also observed in many Russians as well, which is obvious since they are a Eurasian nation and many of them have that hint of the mongol in their appearance. Even Putin has that mongol glint in his face.

    That's the way Humanity evolved folks but some folks are so stuck up on Racial purity that they deny this obvious fact. This DOES NOT mean I encourage unchecked migration anywhere and everywhere. Immigration must be very selective and based on the need, both social and economic of the host nation

    And that must be combined with a no-nonsense foreign policy like that of Russia, which is so different from the 'invade and destroy the third world as much as we can, then invite them over here' Orwellian circus that goes for 'foreign policy' in the Zionist ruled west. This is a typical ZioJew tactic to blunt the forces of nationalism in their respective host nations but I think the opposite is happening. Perhaps they will use the ensuing chaos and anger to deflect blame from them but I really hope both the 'warring' parties must realize who is actually setting them up like this.

    Derb here is too scared to bell the cat lest his 'career' is finished. Common Derb you know too well who is responsible for this yet you never name names. You've made enough money now already and you are old too.

    , @attilathehen
    Another yellow fever degenerate. Attila the hen was Margaret Thatcher's nickname. Move to Asia.
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  214. @WHAT
    Next thing you`ll tell me it was actually Orient that came up with Newtonian physics and Mendeleev`s chemistry instead of pathetic bullshit like numerology.

    I think your reading skills are a bit crusty as I see. Again, what you mentioned are from the 17th and the 18th centuries. Show me something from say the 7th or the 8th centuries, akin to something that changed the course of humanity like Gunpowder. or paper-making, dye printing, the abacus and we’ll talk.

    I’m not Chinese either but accepting facts doesn’t hurt. Forget the Chinese, heck even Baghdad had proper lamp posts and a pretty good planned urban-scape in the 11th century when the Europeans where burning witches and practicing wizardry.

    But like they say, every Dog has it’s day and the western man has been dominating the world economically, militarily and in the last century even culturally from the past 400 years but may now be coming full circle due to the imperial overstretch of it’s latest proponent, the Zionist loving United States. And power will undoubtedly shift back to the far east and Eurasia unless the madmen ruling the west don’t take the whole world down with their ideas of a nuclear “holocaust”.

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    And power will undoubtedly shift back to the far east and Eurasia
     
    Of course. See my chart in comment #205.

    Resourceful men are already either expatriating there, or in businesses that transact a lot with Asia.
    , @Anonymous
    Well, if you compare European civilization at what's arguably one of its lowest points to other cultures which at the same time are going through somewhat of a golden age, or a very least a nicer period of their histories, then clearly it'll look pretty dismal. Even so, early medieval Europeans did produce some pretty impressive architecture, such as the Romanesque cathedrals like the one in Speyer, Germany.

    Nevertheless I have to consider these West vs. East "my ancestors could beat up your ancestors!" arguments rather silly and petty, considering that both Europe/the West and the Far East have obviously contributed a huge amount to general human progress and have much to be proud of in that regard. Which is a good reason why, as you state in another comment, they should be very selective and restrictive about who they allow into their lands as immigrants, especially regarding people from groups whose achievements, both historical and modern, are significantly less impressive...
    Presently the East Asians are doing quite a good job of this, but as you've alluded, the scumbags currently running the West seem to be hell-bent on ruining their nations through demographic replacement and endless war.
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  215. Wally says: • Website
    @Bragadocious
    I'm not so sure that chart is as "killer" as you say. What percentage of Asians 18-21 were even going to college at all? Shouldn't that be teased out from the total number?

    Also, of those going to college, what percentage had Ivy League-level SATs and grades? We don't know.

    There are plenty of underachieving Asians. I see them all the time at the H Mart, stocking shelves with Hi-Chews (which are yummy).

    The suspicious part of the chart is the discrepancy between Cal Tech and the Ivies. But, that could be explained by the Asian nerd factor. They might naturally gravitate to a school filled with math grinds.

    I'm not saying they're not discriminated against, I'm just saying that chart doesn't prove it.

    The big question:

    What is considered “Asian” at Harvard or other universities?

    And what is considered “white”, or “caucasian”, which is used sometimes.

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  216. Wally says:
    @Discard
    There is no reason to suppose that Orientals are smarter than Whites. That the average Chinese in America may be smarter than the average White indicates only that the Chinese that come here are smarter than average. They don't get on the jet straight from the rice paddies, you know. China can spare a few of their many, many millions of midwit drudges in order to dominate the professional class in America, with a good leavening of spies as well.

    Spot on point.

    The “asians” discussed in the piece are a selected group from the gazillions of other “asians”.

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  217. @Thomm
    I like the cut of your jib. Particularly the way you put that uppity yenta Attilathelen in her place.

    She does not even know that Atilla the Hun was of an Oriental appearance, and not Caucasian by any definition of the term.

    Atilla was of Eurasian stock and people from that region are of a varied appearance gradually moving from more Asian looking in the eastern ‘stans’ to more Caucasian looking as you move west

    This is also observed in many Russians as well, which is obvious since they are a Eurasian nation and many of them have that hint of the mongol in their appearance. Even Putin has that mongol glint in his face.

    That’s the way Humanity evolved folks but some folks are so stuck up on Racial purity that they deny this obvious fact. This DOES NOT mean I encourage unchecked migration anywhere and everywhere. Immigration must be very selective and based on the need, both social and economic of the host nation

    And that must be combined with a no-nonsense foreign policy like that of Russia, which is so different from the ‘invade and destroy the third world as much as we can, then invite them over here’ Orwellian circus that goes for ‘foreign policy’ in the Zionist ruled west. This is a typical ZioJew tactic to blunt the forces of nationalism in their respective host nations but I think the opposite is happening. Perhaps they will use the ensuing chaos and anger to deflect blame from them but I really hope both the ‘warring’ parties must realize who is actually setting them up like this.

    Derb here is too scared to bell the cat lest his ‘career’ is finished. Common Derb you know too well who is responsible for this yet you never name names. You’ve made enough money now already and you are old too.

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    Atilla was of Eurasian stock and people from that region are of a varied appearance gradually moving from more Asian looking in the eastern ‘stans’ to more Caucasian looking as you move west
     
    Statues of Attilla depict him as being completely Mongoloid. Not half-way like Leonard Nimoy or Charles Bronson or Edward G. Robinson. This is even the account of European records who found his appearance very foreign.

    This DOES NOT mean I encourage unchecked migration anywhere and everywhere. Immigration must be very selective and based on the need, both social and economic of the host nation
     
    Same here. I want skilled immigrants only - ones who are virtually certain to be upper-middle-class at a minimum. By volume, about 70% of these will invariably be Asian, particularly from China and India. Very few blacks, Mestizos, and Muslim Arabs will make the cut (but the tiny number who can are welcome).
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  218. Thomm says:
    @HogHappenin
    I think your reading skills are a bit crusty as I see. Again, what you mentioned are from the 17th and the 18th centuries. Show me something from say the 7th or the 8th centuries, akin to something that changed the course of humanity like Gunpowder. or paper-making, dye printing, the abacus and we'll talk.

    I'm not Chinese either but accepting facts doesn't hurt. Forget the Chinese, heck even Baghdad had proper lamp posts and a pretty good planned urban-scape in the 11th century when the Europeans where burning witches and practicing wizardry.

    But like they say, every Dog has it's day and the western man has been dominating the world economically, militarily and in the last century even culturally from the past 400 years but may now be coming full circle due to the imperial overstretch of it's latest proponent, the Zionist loving United States. And power will undoubtedly shift back to the far east and Eurasia unless the madmen ruling the west don't take the whole world down with their ideas of a nuclear "holocaust".

    And power will undoubtedly shift back to the far east and Eurasia

    Of course. See my chart in comment #205.

    Resourceful men are already either expatriating there, or in businesses that transact a lot with Asia.

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  219. utu says:
    @Colleen Pater
    Even Derbs premise falls short, forget meritocracy and fairness. The real world implication is that white nations become where the worlds elites thrive and whites become and underclass with no where to retreat to.
    It is not good for whites to turn over their nations to jews asians or the top .00001% of all the worlds races no matter what their merit based rating might be. White natins were built by and for whites if the world thinks it needs te united nations to open universities lets see if they can do it, so far the higher IQ jews and east asians cant create an entire nation universities included , we may have an edge that gives us the whole package. by allowing our universities to be universalties we in reality turn our nation also over to rule by non white graduates and of course they then run our nation for universalist cog elites. This is really unhealthy for whites, theres good reason to think it may be unhealthy for the world including jews and east asians. To them universalism is a scam they can exploit to us its a value. Now its true it may be a suicidal value or I think more likely its suicidal if we do not practice it from the safety of our own nation ethno state. In short whites are a good in the world when they are strong enough, but can not be that good if we are overrun.
    Even if ot turns out we are not so good that if allowed by our cog elite masters to again compete as one of a couple hundred other ethno nation states for our specific ethnic interests, well thats still righteous and fair, there's no cosmic law that says whites must heal the world thats the jew law let them have at it.
    griffe du lion calculated that 2% american jews having 50% of wealth and power could be accounted for by IQ alone, I am a bit skeptical but am not up to his math skills maybe derb can comment. Point is east asians are no less tribal than jews and though the IQ edge is less they are going to far exceed 2% even without the black hispanic cutouts this puts whites at a huge minority in their own elites and two high IQ tribal groups ahead and worse our white cog elites are least capable of understanding the problem and dangers of this so its not even like we have a 20% white elite fighting like hell for white interests they are fighting like hell against white interests. Its of course simply incredible, and no one but Ivy league grads seem to be able to make any sense of it it just seems like suicide to te rest of us followed by the end of the world without us.But of course they harvard grads and Im a steamfitter

    griffe du lion calculated that 2% american jews having 50% of wealth and power could be accounted for by IQ alone

    No, their math is crap. They engaged in circular reasoning by assuming that Jewish distribution must have a fatter tail and then they adjusted the fatness of the tail to reflect Jewish over representation. This kind of games are played to avoid looking at more obvious explanations like tribalism, ethnic nepotism and other personality qualities that are not related to IQ.

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  220. utu says:
    @Wade
    Yeah I don't know why the Derb doesn't at least mention this aspect to the story. It would be the irony of ironies if the DOJ took some action against Harvard forcing them to make Asians 40% of the Harvard student body while allowing them to continue to discriminate against white Gentiles.

    What is happening to white gentiles in the US and the west in general is heartbreaking. Our own gentile leaders seems helpless to even address it. I wonder why.

    why the Derb doesn’t at least mention this aspect to the story

    Perhaps because Derb avoids Jewish subjects unless he can praise their IQ and accomplishments.

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  221. Thomm says:
    @HogHappenin
    Atilla was of Eurasian stock and people from that region are of a varied appearance gradually moving from more Asian looking in the eastern 'stans' to more Caucasian looking as you move west

    This is also observed in many Russians as well, which is obvious since they are a Eurasian nation and many of them have that hint of the mongol in their appearance. Even Putin has that mongol glint in his face.

    That's the way Humanity evolved folks but some folks are so stuck up on Racial purity that they deny this obvious fact. This DOES NOT mean I encourage unchecked migration anywhere and everywhere. Immigration must be very selective and based on the need, both social and economic of the host nation

    And that must be combined with a no-nonsense foreign policy like that of Russia, which is so different from the 'invade and destroy the third world as much as we can, then invite them over here' Orwellian circus that goes for 'foreign policy' in the Zionist ruled west. This is a typical ZioJew tactic to blunt the forces of nationalism in their respective host nations but I think the opposite is happening. Perhaps they will use the ensuing chaos and anger to deflect blame from them but I really hope both the 'warring' parties must realize who is actually setting them up like this.

    Derb here is too scared to bell the cat lest his 'career' is finished. Common Derb you know too well who is responsible for this yet you never name names. You've made enough money now already and you are old too.

    Atilla was of Eurasian stock and people from that region are of a varied appearance gradually moving from more Asian looking in the eastern ‘stans’ to more Caucasian looking as you move west

    Statues of Attilla depict him as being completely Mongoloid. Not half-way like Leonard Nimoy or Charles Bronson or Edward G. Robinson. This is even the account of European records who found his appearance very foreign.

    This DOES NOT mean I encourage unchecked migration anywhere and everywhere. Immigration must be very selective and based on the need, both social and economic of the host nation

    Same here. I want skilled immigrants only – ones who are virtually certain to be upper-middle-class at a minimum. By volume, about 70% of these will invariably be Asian, particularly from China and India. Very few blacks, Mestizos, and Muslim Arabs will make the cut (but the tiny number who can are welcome).

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    I generally agree to this however immigration must indeed be limited even for the skilled ones. I mean right now, there are a crap load of just about average Indians coming in and bringing bus loads of their families to the states. I don't live there anymore but still I wouldn't want Cincinnati to look like Calcutta. I think that must remain.

    I have been to urban India and unlike urban China or even urban Indonesia, it is very very dirty and the folks especially the ones in the north are very narcissist, sexually frustrated and have a bullying attitude. Generally I found that people are quite triumphalist and have a sense of superiority over their own countrymen based on caste or religion or heck even food habits. They are a very close minded people generally perhaps the later generations would iron it out but given the rise of nationalist rhetoric, I think it'll get worse before it becomes better

    The Chinese, Japanese, Indonesian and Malaysian are relatively a lot better in that sense plus they are usually honest and ethical compared to east Indians. Additionally, the US can import folks from eastern Europe which has of late become a cheap source of very high quality technical talent. In my own company, our Russian and Estonian office staff takes about the same salary as those of the Indians but are quite more productive. That doesn't mean high Q Asians must be turned away. But there is always this place to look which is typically ignored, i.e. EE.

    So there is indeed a way to maintain the 'race balance' if there ever were such a thing without resorting to massive population replacement. And most importantly that has to be combined with a no nonsense foreign policy like Russia. Not disturbing the peace in the third world and bring them here by the truckloads which will obviously contain folks who'd be understandbly very angry with whitey

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  222. utu says:
    @Orwellian State
    What are you saying, that gentile whites are so enlightened they no longer care if their countries are being invaded and their cultures destroyed? The Jews who are in power are not content to just run the USA, they want to run the World, by taking control of the most powerful military in the world.

    One major reason why I voted for Trump was because of his promise of no more foreign interventions. Yet what did he do as soon as he came on board? He let the neocon Jews take over his foreign policy and is now trying to start wars everywhere. Not just the Mideast, Africa, Afghanistan and North Korea, a while back he was even talking about invading Venezuela. He's turning out to be nothing but another Jew puppet. At least John Kerry had the balls to stand up to Israel. Trump's entire admin bow to Netanyahu and kiss his ring. Nikki Haley is practically Netanyahu's mistress. These evil Zionist neocons are robbing our future generations to pay for their warmongering.

    If gentile whites don't assert themselves and take back their countries, they will soon lose it all because as soon as the Jews get their fingers on anything, they are sure to run it to the ground. They can't help themselves. They will always succumb to greed and lust. Look at the rot in Hollywood, media, Wall Street, the DNC, the media coverup and this whole corrupt mess with the FBI/Clinton/Obama admin, the Jews have sold their souls to the devil, you want to let these people run your life without even putting up a fight? Meanwhile, the northern Europeans like the Swedes, Germans and the British are letting Muslims rape their women without even putting up a fight. Some are even advocating women should start wearing hijabs. Do you want the west to start looking more like India, China, Africa, Mexico, Guatemala, the Mideast and other 3rd world hell holes? What kind of enlightenment is this? Sounds more like capitulation to me.

    What kind of enlightenment is this? Sounds more like capitulation to me.

    You see, AaronB is (((AaronB))). Enlightenment is very very good for goys.

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  223. utu says:
    @Thomm

    which is strangely common among whites upset over the rise of Asians, and like to pretend their own rise was utterly effortless and not based on tremendous hard work!
     
    Remember that us normal whites have no problem with anyone rising up with hard work. Isn't laziness the primary criticism of blacks? Isn't that why the 10% of blacks who work very hard really make our day when we see them?

    Remember that White Nationalists are lazy and have Negro IQs, so all they want is intra-white socialism. They feel entitled to the fruits of hardworking whites. That is why WN economic views are so left-wing.

    The reason White Trashionalists hate Asian hard work is that it reminds them of their own inadequacies, and that the rest of us want to reward hard work, independent of race (ensuring Asians are more respected my mainstream whites than WN wiggers are).

    Essentially, WN wiggers are bitter that mainstream whites have a far more honorable value system than WN wiggers. Other than shared ancestry from Europe, WNs aren't really 'white' in character.

    Remember that us normal whites have no problem

    Neither you nor AaronB are white.

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    I am, you buttfuckaroni.

    It is you who has nothing in common with successful whites. Hence, the term 'Wigger'.

    What bothers you is that successful whites can't stand you, and assiduously keep you away from respectable society.

    Heh heh heh heh
    , @AaronB
    If my racial composition matters to you, utu, I am half Catholic white, and half Jewish.

    While I think ideas stand or fall on their own, race does inform our attitudes, and people have a right to know who they are talking to.

    I am sorry to see from the other thread that you have turned against me. I always enjoy your contributions to the IQ debate.
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  224. Ron Unz says:
    @Art Deco
    Harvard and Yale student bodies are both about 25% jooie

    [Drums fingers]

    https://sites.google.com/site/nuritbaytch/

    Harvard and Yale student bodies are both about 25% jooie

    [Drums fingers]

    https://sites.google.com/site/nuritbaytch/

    Ha, ha. “Art Deco” is just one of those fanatic Jewish-activist types who spend their time hanging around my website. Regarding Jewish-related issues, he’s about as trustworthy and objective as the ADL…

    I’m much too busy to get involved in this comment-thread, but I can refer people to an extended discussion I had a couple of years back:

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/who-knew-haven-monahan-had-transferred-from-uva-to-ucla/?commenterfilter=ron_unz

    Basically, one of the tricks he and his friends are pulling is to narrowly define “Jewish” in the religious sense, which drastically reduces the total numbers at Harvard and elsewhere.

    Back during the 1950s, they often used a similar trick regarding Communism. Clearly Communists aren’t religious, so they therefore argued that there obviously weren’t any Jewish Communists.

    If you agree that there’s never been a single Jewish Communist then you should definitely accept his current gallons of squid-ink…

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    his current gallons of squid-ink…
     
    Yid-ink.

    It's what Jewish activist types squirt copious volumes of when they detect that you're on their trail.

    , @Art Deco
    Nurit Baytch made use of software that assessed surnames, and was working with two academics.


    I'm neither Jewish (in the religious or ethnic sense) nor an activist, FWIW.
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  225. @Thomm
    er... I'm an American white guy, you faggot.

    I am just impressed with the rapid success of Indian Americans.

    But I want more Chinese and Korean immigrants too. Any highly skilled immigrants will do.

    You are a sad little hindoo, nursing his grievances by calling for the demographic overthrow of his betters.

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  226. @Ron Unz

    Harvard and Yale student bodies are both about 25% jooie

    [Drums fingers]

    https://sites.google.com/site/nuritbaytch/
     
    Ha, ha. "Art Deco" is just one of those fanatic Jewish-activist types who spend their time hanging around my website. Regarding Jewish-related issues, he's about as trustworthy and objective as the ADL...

    I'm much too busy to get involved in this comment-thread, but I can refer people to an extended discussion I had a couple of years back:

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/who-knew-haven-monahan-had-transferred-from-uva-to-ucla/?commenterfilter=ron_unz

    Basically, one of the tricks he and his friends are pulling is to narrowly define "Jewish" in the religious sense, which drastically reduces the total numbers at Harvard and elsewhere.

    Back during the 1950s, they often used a similar trick regarding Communism. Clearly Communists aren't religious, so they therefore argued that there obviously weren't any Jewish Communists.

    If you agree that there's never been a single Jewish Communist then you should definitely accept his current gallons of squid-ink...

    his current gallons of squid-ink…

    Yid-ink.

    It’s what Jewish activist types squirt copious volumes of when they detect that you’re on their trail.

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  227. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @HogHappenin
    I think your reading skills are a bit crusty as I see. Again, what you mentioned are from the 17th and the 18th centuries. Show me something from say the 7th or the 8th centuries, akin to something that changed the course of humanity like Gunpowder. or paper-making, dye printing, the abacus and we'll talk.

    I'm not Chinese either but accepting facts doesn't hurt. Forget the Chinese, heck even Baghdad had proper lamp posts and a pretty good planned urban-scape in the 11th century when the Europeans where burning witches and practicing wizardry.

    But like they say, every Dog has it's day and the western man has been dominating the world economically, militarily and in the last century even culturally from the past 400 years but may now be coming full circle due to the imperial overstretch of it's latest proponent, the Zionist loving United States. And power will undoubtedly shift back to the far east and Eurasia unless the madmen ruling the west don't take the whole world down with their ideas of a nuclear "holocaust".

    Well, if you compare European civilization at what’s arguably one of its lowest points to other cultures which at the same time are going through somewhat of a golden age, or a very least a nicer period of their histories, then clearly it’ll look pretty dismal. Even so, early medieval Europeans did produce some pretty impressive architecture, such as the Romanesque cathedrals like the one in Speyer, Germany.

    Nevertheless I have to consider these West vs. East “my ancestors could beat up your ancestors!” arguments rather silly and petty, considering that both Europe/the West and the Far East have obviously contributed a huge amount to general human progress and have much to be proud of in that regard. Which is a good reason why, as you state in another comment, they should be very selective and restrictive about who they allow into their lands as immigrants, especially regarding people from groups whose achievements, both historical and modern, are significantly less impressive…
    Presently the East Asians are doing quite a good job of this, but as you’ve alluded, the scumbags currently running the West seem to be hell-bent on ruining their nations through demographic replacement and endless war.

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    I concur completely. I was ONLY trying to refute claims by apparently racial purists and people who have a sense of triumphalism regarding things that have occurred way way back and they have had NO part in it.

    They apparently use this to demean and disparage people who they have NO knowledge of and no contact with. Such ignorant black and white aka binary fools have no nuance what so ever. It reminds me of those silly bathroom jock talk aka 'mine is bigger than yours' but only this time this is due to 'history'.

    Anyways coming back to topic, it is things like these that make it easy for the scumbags to deflect attention and do their dirty work. And yes quite a few of them are Joo but then we also have gems like the editor of this wonderful website who also happen to be the same tribe but doesn't give in to 'tribe think' . Yes we have to be careful as certain group of people might be pre-disposed to certain actions due to whatever , which calls for us to be pragmatic but then but boxing people is plain wrong and only help the scumbags fool us even easier.

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  228. @Thomm

    The problem that Harvard is trying to conceal is that the Asians outscore and outshine the Jews who get the places.
     
    This is true, but one must mention the exceptionally high proportion of Jewish men marrying Asian (Chinese and Indian) women these days. Jewish men don't want Jewish women.

    Hence, these two groups are slowly merging.

    Jewish men don’t want Jewish women.

    I see our sad little hindoo has now trained his evidence-free assertions on Jews. Yes, Jewish men are all salivating over hindoo “babes,” lol.

    Our little hindoo needs to understand that even though Jewish activism has undoubtedly brought the white man low, when Jews ditch their sick supremacist cult (“Judaism”) and lay off the loony “anti-racism,” they’re actually rather likable people. Hindoos, on the other hand, not so much.

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  229. @Thomm
    I like the cut of your jib. Particularly the way you put that uppity yenta Attilathelen in her place.

    She does not even know that Atilla the Hun was of an Oriental appearance, and not Caucasian by any definition of the term.

    Another yellow fever degenerate. Attila the hen was Margaret Thatcher’s nickname. Move to Asia.

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    Move to Asia.
     
    Gladly. I am a white guy who spent a lot of time in Asia, and would happily return there.

    Perhaps I should remind you of how many white guys marry Asian women, and how a blue-haired feminist like you ranks at the bottom (at least in Asia, people like you don't pollute the visual vista).

    I know you are desperate for attention from masculine men like me, but I don't feel generous enough to pleasure you with attention.

    Heh heh heh heh

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  230. @Biff

    What’s your angle? No one is perfect. But you have to admit the English empire was the greatest ever. What’s with the fat ugly women? The rumor is that Rhodes was a closeted homosexual.
     
    I don’t have to admit anything - the pommie pack wasn’t all that impressive.

    I was comparing the fat(American) ugly(white) women with that of the slender attractive more intelligent Asian women - it’s no contest.

    Another yellow fever degenerate. Move to Asia. We don’t need more worthless imports like Derbyshire’s dragon lady.

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    https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5f6_1512716304