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This is the first book of Douglas Murray’s I have read. Checking on Amazon.com before I started it, I saw that Murray’s previous works include Neoconservatism: Why We Need It (2006) and Bosie (2000). The latter is a biography of Oscar Wilde’s boyfriend Lord Alfred Douglas; Murray is openly homosexual.

While of course I wish no ill to persons of either inclination, a homosexual neocon would not be my first choice of companion on an expedition up the Limpopo, so I opened Strange Death with low expectations.

I put it down at last in a much better mood. Murray’s written a useful and interesting book, that I hope will be widely read.

Murray’s subject is the catastrophe that has been visited on Europe—including Britain, and with some side commentary on British-settler nations—by mass Third World immigration, especially of Muslims, in the decades since WW2.

Where the facts of the situation are concerned, nothing here will be new to followers of VDARE.com. But it’s very handy to have all the stories from these various countries collected together in one place.

Interspersed with these narrative accounts is Murray’s commentary, which is in the voice of a thoughtful, well-educated Englishman who is appalled at the destruction that has been wreaked on the homelands of Western civilization, and by the cowardice and stupidity of Western Europe’s governments. (Eastern Europe is a different story; Murray has things to say about that.)

Murray has some limitations. I’ll mention them in due course. They don’t subtract much from his book, though, and I urge everyone interested in the topics we cover here to read Strange Death.

He is very good on the vindictiveness with which the political and opinion-forming classes have met the concerns of ordinary working- and middle-class Europeans.

Consider for example the case of Luton, a small English town thirty miles north of London. Murray tells the story in Chapter 14.

In 2009 the Royal Anglian Regiment, on their return from Afghanistan, was given a homecoming parade through the town of Luton. This is one of the towns in England in which “white British” are in a minority (45 percent) …

Really? Luton? I recall it from my student days 50 years ago as a sleepy, nondescript dormitory suburb with a car factory, wall to wall “white British.” Forty-five percent? An old northern mill town, I could understand, or an inner-city welfare slum; but Luton? Good Lord!

… and the town has an especially large Muslim community. Many locals turned out for the parade and were angered by the sight of extremists from the Islamist group al-Muhajiroun heckling and protesting the soldiers as they moved through the town centre … Enraged members of the public attempted to confront the protesters, but the British police protected the protesters and threatened the enraged locals with arrest.

My italics.

In the weeks that followed, some of these locals tried to organize a protest opposing the Islamists, but they were prevented from getting to the same Town Hall to which al-Muhajiroun had previously walked.

It was those events that inspired the formation of the English Defence League (EDL), who in subsequent years tried to organize protest all around the U.K.

The subsequent history of the EDL is somewhat more colorful than Murray tells, but there is no doubt that, as he says, “At no stage did the police or local government, the national police or government, consider that the EDL had a point.”

The EDL and its leader, the pseudonymous Tommy Robinson, were relentlessly harassed by the British authorities, while Muslim gangs like the ones that kidnapped and gang-raped white girls in Rotherham and elsewhere were ignored for fear that prosecution of them would be thought “racist.”

It’s been the same all over Western Europe. In 1993 the Swedish tabloid newspaper Expressen published an opinion poll revealing that 63 percent of Swedes wanted immigrants to go back to their home countries. An accompanying op-ed by the paper’s editor-in-chief, Erik Månsson, called this “an opinion bomb about to go off.” The owners of the paper fired Mr. Månsson.

In 2006 a newspaper in Norway reproduced the not-very-offensive Mohammed cartoons whose publication in Denmark had caused a fuss a few months previously. The editor of that newspaper was threatened with prosecution by no less than the Norwegian Prime Minister.

At all points from the 1968 defenestration of Enoch Powell onwards, and still today, the attitude among the European governing and intellectual classes has been that everything will work out just fine so long as native Europeans stop complaining. If they won’t stop, they must be stopped, so that … everything will work out just fine.

Now, deep into the crisis, it is ever more clear that the thick-skulled grumbling proles were right and their masters were wrong. Lord Melbourne comes to mind:

What all the wise men promised has not happened, and what all the damned fools said would happen has come to pass.

Murray’s Chapter 10, “The Tyranny of Guilt,” is particularly good. It explores the psychological foundations of European ethnomasochism.

Guilt—over white colonialism, slavery, the Holocaust—has, says Murray, “become a moral intoxicant in Western Europe.”

People imbibe it because they like it: they get high on it. It lifts them up and exalts them. Rather than being people responsible for themselves and answerable to those they know, they become the self-appointed representatives of the living and dead, the bearers of a terrible history as well as the potential redeemers of mankind. From being a nobody one becomes a somebody.

Hence such phenomena as the continent-wide wailing and rending of garments in 2015 over the death of a Syrian toddler whose body was washed up on a Turkish beach. (The child’s family had lived safely in Turkey, where the father had had paid employment, but they thought they would be better off in Europe.)

Hence even weirder manifestations of bogus guilt. Did you know—I didn’t until reading Strange Death—that since 1998 Australia has celebrated National Sorry Day, when white people Down Under can apologize for a social policy practiced through the middle decades of the last century? The policy, promoted and implemented by humanitarian Progressives, removed mixed-race Aboriginal children from abusive families to raise them in boarding schools. This is now considered to have been a horrible crime.

An interesting question is why Europeans are so susceptible to this “moral intoxicant.” Plenty of other peoples—well-nigh all, I think—have historical crimes on their record, but don’t go around lamenting the fact.

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Mongolians are not flagellating themselves over the Sack of Baghdad, nor are Manchus (yes, they’re still around—I know a couple) holding a Sorry Day for their very brutal conquest of Ming China. Come to think of it, China today is twice the size it was in the Ming Dynasty, but no-one in China seems inclined to apologize for grabbing all that land.

The great Bantu expansion out of the West African homeland into the East and South of the continent was surely not without a casualty or two. (A UCSD web page on the Bantu Expansion says the expansion was helped by Bantu mastery of iron-working: “Iron made good weapons, facilitating expansion by well-armed Bantus into lands occupied only by foraging peoples.”) IS THIS A QUOTE The Pygmies and Hottentots await a formal apology.

Closer to the present, today’s Turks are not encouraged to feel guilty about the massacres of Armenians during WW1. Far from it: As Murray notes, public mention of those atrocities violates Article 301 of Turkey’s penal code—“insulting the Turkish nation.” You can be prosecuted for it, and journalists have been.

The Japanese are not quite that stern about mention of their own delinquencies in the years 1931-45, but the Rape of Nanking (for example) is not considered a suitable topic for polite conversation.

Why is it only Europeans who find it so intoxicating to wallow in race guilt? Is it some genetic peculiarity, like the issues American Indians have with liquor? One would like to know whether the behavioral geneticists have anything to say about this.

Murray, however, is a literary intellectual with no science, so he does not pursue this line of inquiry.

He does take a position on the very interesting question of how much human agency has been involved in the mass-immigration catastrophe.

There is a spectrum of views on this. At one end of the spectrum, “none at all” is a possible answer. Some vast natural process just happened while politicians flapped their arms impotently and intellectuals thought up post facto justifications—economic, fiscal, social, moral—for great changes that nobody predicted or wanted.

(Murray disposes of the fiscal justification—i.e. that to continue funding Social Security without mass immigration, retirement ages would have to be raised—with a neat surgical strike: “Perhaps some people will see working longer in a society they know as being preferable to dying in one in which they feel a stranger.”)

At the other end of the spectrum is a total-agency answer: The whole horrible mess has been planned from the start by evil people desiring the destruction of Western Civ., or at least its reshaping to the advantage of the planners.

Jews are often fingered as the culprits here, determined never again to be the one noticeable minority in an otherwise-homogeneous society. (Or, less charitably, taking revenge on the hated goy.) For the American case, Kevin MacDonald gives over a whole chapter—his longest—in The Culture of Critique to “Jewish Involvement in Shaping U.S. Immigration Policy.” [PDF]

The unignorably high proportion of Jews among Open-Borders fanatics lends support to this theory. This is the case not only in the U.S.A.: Murray notes that Barbara Roche (right) Britain’s Minister for Asylum and Immigration from 1999 to 2001, is “a descendant of East End Jews.” Ms. Roche argued that restraints on immigration were racist.

On the whole, though, Murray’s narrative is over towards the “no agency” end of the spectrum. He confirmed this in his recent interview with Stefan Molyneux.

Molyneux: One of the things I got from the beginning is how much this is not a plan; that immigration and migrants into Europe and so on … That everyone is kind of playing catch-up on decisions that were made, maybe with the best of intentions or with the least of information decades ago and everyone’s just trying to manage something that has swelled beyond all original intention, and that there really isn’t much of a plan going on in Europe at the moment.

Murray: That’s right. I’ve written a number of books in my life. I’ve written a lot about history, and writing a history of the present, as it were—which this book seems to be—I try to apply the same principles I would anywhere else.

Quite often people tell you, you know, about conspiracies in the past, conspiracies in the present, plans in the past, plans in the present. My general feeling with things is that most of history is cock-up, and it’s the same with the present.

There’s no great master plan. Nobody, no brilliant group of people sit around a table and sort out everything. They … Brilliant people get surprised by events, react badly to them, and make things worse. It’s a far more plausible story.

Well … it wasn’t all cock-up. The activities of agents like Ms. Roche were surely consequential.

On the whole, though, I think the cock-up theory of history explains most of what’s happened. Napoleon was right (or would have been if he had said it: looking it up, I see that he probably didn’t) that we should never ascribe to malice what can be explained by stupidity.

And reading Murray’s accounts of the vexed situation of Europe’s Jews in a rapidly Islamicizing continent, you’d have to say that if the Jewish-conspiracy theory is correct, we are looking at a historically unprecedented conjunction of malice and stupidity.

For a literary intellectual—indeed, Associate Editor of a very respectable literary magazine—Murray has some quirks of style.

I am not personally dogmatic on the issue of beginning a sentence with “but.” As I’ve noted elsewhere: “Chaucer, Shakespeare and God (insofar as He permitted His Thoughts to be set in English by the translators of the King James Bible) all started sentences with ‘but’.” But if you do this too often, as Murray does, it annoys the reader. But perhaps I’m being too critical here.

The closing paragraph of Strange Death bears extracting in full. I think Murray is giving us a warning, and I think he’s right to do so. It’s hard to be certain on either score, though, as two of its sentences (the fourth and the last) don’t make sense.

Day by day the continent of Europe is not only changing but is losing any possibility of a soft landing in response to such change. An entire political class have failed to appreciate that many of us who live in Europe love the Europe that was ours. We do not want our politicians, through weakness, self-hatred, malice, tiredness, or abandonment to change our home into an utterly different place. And while Europeans may be almost endlessly compassionate, we may not be boundlessly so. The public may want many contradictory things, but they will not forgive politicians if—whether by accident or design—they change our continent completely. If they do so change it then many of us will regret this quietly. Others will regret it less quietly. Prisoners of the past and of the present, for Europeans there seem finally to be no decent answers to the future. Which is how the fatal blow will finally land.

John Derbyshire [email him] writes an incredible amount on all sorts of subjects for all kinds of outlets. (This no longer includes National Review, whose editors had some kind of tantrum and fired him. ) He is the author of We Are Doomed: Reclaiming Conservative Pessimism and several other books. He’s had two books published by VDARE.com: FROM THE DISSIDENT RIGHT (also available in Kindle) and From the Dissident Right II: Essays 2013. His writings are archived at JohnDerbyshire.com.

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  1. Brabantian says: • Website

    US Pentagon advisor & former John Kerry staffer Kelly M Greenhill, wrote a 2011 book on ‘Weapons of Mass Migration’ describing what is being done to Europe today … Greenhill recommended artificially-induced mass migrations as an excellent strategy to divide & control societies … She gushingly documented 59 examples of refugees being used as weapons since the Second World War … ‘It’s all a plot’, indeed

    Irish Communist Gearóid Ó Colmáin did an interesting 11-part series of articles, ‘Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe’, published on ‘Dissident Voice’. For example, Ó Colmáin writes of how Marx & Engels also confronted the ‘mass migration’ weapon in the 1800s … and they totally opposed such schemes as destructive of the working class, an oligarch tool of conflict-creation & worker de-moralisation.

    In these times, there is a question as to whether publishing a book, is a way to ‘expose the truth’, or more of a way, in fact, to bury the truth … given how few people read or buy books (or can even afford to buy them) … it is a bit of an old-timer fetish to ‘write a book’

    Today, it’s really better to get the key points on the web … even with running the gauntlet of censorship, search result manipulation, & outright lies by the CIA’s Google & Wikipedia criminals, you have a better chance of getting the word out to those who have ears to hear … Ó Colmáin’s 11-part series could have been a ‘book’ but lots of us have read him, whilst we won’t be seeing the tome reviewed above … tho I suppose a ‘book’ does provide a pretext for articles & interviews, getting some word out indirectly, despite how the book itself is little-read

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    Has no one acquainted themselves with the Kalergi-Coudenhove plan , and the recipients of the Kalergi Prize,
    Yes there is a plan to Islamize Europe and undermine it indiginous peoples and culture.

    'The (European) man of the future will be of mixed race. Today’s races and classes will disappear owing to the disappearing of space (nations), time, and prejudice. The Eurasian-Negroid race of the future, similar in its outward appearance to the Ancient Egyptians, will replace the diversity of peoples with a diversity of individuals”
    This, Kalergi stated, should be a plan run for and by the racial and spiritual supremacy of ‘blood aristocracy and Jewry’. These are all his crude racialist words, not mine. People should be free to mix and settle with a partner from whatever race or ethnicity they choose. But what Kalergi and the Pan European plan specifically calls out for is the deliberate use of enforced and disproportionate mass immigration, especially from non-European countries, in order to bring in a Pan European single state dictatorship and destroy the indigenous pink/white nationalities.'
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  2. John Derbyshire wonders why Europeans are so susceptible to guilt. One explanation is that all cultures have a foundation myth that tells them who they are, and the foundation myth of modern Europeans is a negative one.

    How do you recognise a foundation myth? It fulfils three functions.

    1)It explains the origin and structure of the world (and society).
    2)It defines ultimate good and evil (and from those definitions are derived the values that are used to justify the holding of power).
    3)It determines what is held sacred in that society.

    For modern Westerners the story of WWII has become their foundation myth. It fulfils all three functions.

    1)We live in the ‘Post-War World’. The lines on the map, the institutions, the sense of what era we live in, all arise from the starting point of WWII.

    2)Ultimate evil is Nazis. Ultimate good is opposing Nazis. The values derived from these definitions are anti-racism, equality, diversity, anti-nationalism and so on.

    3)The only thing that is held sacred, that cannot be denied or mocked in the contemporary West, is the Holocaust.

    The problem is that all three functions are backwards or negative.

    Instead of the origin event being one of fertility and new life, it was a conflagration of death and destruction.

    Instead of ultimate good taking the central position in the story that slot is occupied by ultimate evil. Everyone knows that Adolf Hitler, the personification of evil, holds the centre point of the WWII story.

    Instead of that which is held sacred being something mysterious and sublime it (the Holocaust) is an obscenity.

    Having a negative foundation myth means the tree of life for Westerners is poisoned. People don’t realise it but the bounds of allowable thought and the orientation of ideas are all downstream from the myth of the society. As long as our understanding of who we are is determined by this negative foundation myth the only direction is down.

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    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    Joseph Campbell's five functions of foundational myths (religions) included a rational for the monsterous fact of our own existence and the appalling inevitabily of our death.

    Both of these have been lost to Europe too.
    , @attilathehen
    "a homosexual neocon would not be my first choice of companion," neither should a man with a Chinese wife and offspring, which is what Derbyshire has, should be able to comment on Europe.

    Cherchez la femme/le homme of some of these "European nationalists". Derbyshire's imported Chinese wife is now a USA citizen, voted for Obummer, along with the daughter.

    Derbyshire appeared at the AmRen conference this past weekend and spoke about "race denial." Unbelievable chutzpah from someone who married a woman from a lower race. It doesn't seem that his wife and offspring attended. If the offspring had, they should have given a speech about how grateful they are their father plucked their mother from a rice paddy and gave them an evolutionary shot to a higher caste.

    Derbyshire is a Sinophile and Semitophile. He is part of the problem.

    At the AmRen conference there was another speaker, (((John K. Press))). This degenerate (who says he "converted to Christianity," lives in South Korea and is always babbling about culture. He refuses to deal with the fact that culture springs from biology. Biology in human terms consists of 3 races: Caucasian, Asian, black. IQ is directly related to the races: Caucasians first, Asians second, blacks last.

    Derbyshire, Brimelow, AmRen are part of the controlled opposition.

    , @ThreeCranes
    That's thought provoking.
    , @Massimo Heitor

    One explanation is that all cultures have a foundation myth that tells them who they are, and the foundation myth of modern Europeans is a negative one. [snip] For modern Westerners the story of WWII has become their foundation myth. It fulfills all three functions.
     
    That is a perspicacious comment.

    The other big one is US slavery and the American Civil War. Abraham Lincoln is held sacred, the Confederate South is the ultimate evil. It's absolutely a sacred cow, founding myth, and the basis of a civic religion. Also racial segregation and South African racial apartheid are founding myths too.
    , @Tipsy
    Even our art, particularly movies, seem to be centered around either WWII, the Noble and Tragic American Indian, and the horrors of slavery and the American South. All negative foundational myths.
    , @Diversity Heretic
    The characterization of the WWII generation as "the greatest generation," is also consistent with the notion of a foundational myth. There were giants in the earth in those days!
    , @Ace
    An extraordinary comment.

    There was a 12-year period in human history that is now the Western lodestar. Twelve years out of, what, 15,000 years of human history. Not the Napoleonic Wars, not the Thirty Years War, not the fall of Rome or Constantinople, not the Muslim catastrophe, not the PRC invasion of Tibet, not the Japanese invasion of China, not the Soviet and Maoist savagery, not the U.S. War Between the States, not the Taiping Rebellion. No. It's Hitler, Hitler, Hitler ad astra. The no. one goal of any decent Westerner is to be not-Nazi.

    Twelve years! The New Renaissance.

    The primary competitor doctrine is to be not-Christan. The Inquisition is distilled Christian malevolence and the Crusades unalloyed Christian militarism and state murder stripped bare. The settling of North America, also a Christian enterprise entailing the death of millions. About two millennia of baked-in-the-cake Christian anti-Semitism the less said the better. Inexplicable.

    The next competitor doctrine is to be not-white.
    , @Wally
    The ultimate foundational myth is the impossible & downright laughable '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers'.

    And now that people are realizing the truth about it, Jews demand suppression of free speech.

    16 European countries imprison people who dare to scrutinize the scam.

    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here:
    http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com

    "Some stories are true that never happened."

    - Elie Wiesel
     

    "Alone the fact that one may not question the Jewish "holocaust" and that Jewish pressure has inflicted laws on democratic societies to prevent questions—while incessant promotion and indoctrination of the same averredly incontestable ‘holocaust’ occur—gives the game away. It proves that it must be a lie. Why else would one not be allowed to question it? Because it might offend the "survivors"? Because it "dishonors the dead"? Hardly sufficient reason to outlaw discussion. No, because the exposure of this leading lie might precipitate questions about so many other lies and cause the whole ramshackle fabrication to crumble."

    - Gerard Menuhin / righteous Revisionist Jew, son of famous violinist
     
    , @Jerome Martel
    You should write a book.
    , @LauraMR
    It is far simpler, imo.

    PC is an American "cultural" fad that, while it is causing damage to us, it is decimating the Europeans.

    Despite the evident negative effects of PC on our society, it is just a put-on and we are already eager fabricating new imbecilities. Consider, after all, our fantasies about immigration versus the European situation.

    Europeans are dying from PC like Native Americans did from smallpox. It's just an alien disease they have no protection for.
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  3. Murray is gay.

    This will always make him an apologist for the current system.

    Because at its heart our system is a decadent sexually corrupt dystopia which pits homosexual men, abortion loving women and feral promiscuous men against all the rest.

    With the help of media and academia and the unions these groups have been persuading us for years that these “freedoms”, and they are the “freedoms” Obama loved to mention, are simply a step on the road to utopia.

    Unfortunately building society on the blood of millions of unborn children, countless smashed families and a growing, ever growing list of gender weirdness and predation is not and never will work out.

    The west has been eaten from the inside out by evil sexually corrupt decadence.

    And it is not only the blood of millions of unborn children sacrificed on the altar of Molech feminism which is a pillar of our society, but endless immigration to be the children we never had, and endless amounts of vast welfare to try and ameliorate the societal damage of broken families. Go to Baltimore to see where this all leads.

    Unfortunately our society is in vast death spiral and no one will speak the obvious, because they all love their “freedoms”.

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    Murray is gay.

    This will always make him an apologist for the current system.
     
    Indeed.

    The only exception is that those who choose a homosexual lifestyle are understandably concerned at the advance of an islamist tide that still retains the fundamentally healthy view of homosexual activity that our own former societal religion Christianity used to have, before it was defeated and corrupted by decadence and leftist infiltration of its institutions.

    A big part of the danger of allowing homosexualist leadership of the resistance to mass immigration is precisely that it results in promoting the corrupt absurdity of people declaring that approval of homosexual activity is some sort of fundamental western moral value!
    , @Delinquent Snail
    Not all gays are flamboyant queens. Most are just regular people that happen to like people of the same gender. I've know several gay men that DESPISE queens. They say it gives all gays a bad image. And its true, reading comments on unz.

    Murray sounds like he has a good head on his shoulders. Not saying I'd like to go on a drunken camping trip with the man, but if he wants to fight the same fight most of us are fighting, why are we going to push away a potential ally? Especially one who is going to open himself to all kinds of animosity by being vocal about what most of us are too afraid to talk about in public? (not being gay, being anti immigration)

    And as for abortions, so what? Only the overly religious think its bad. Ask rape victims if they think abortions are bad. We no longer live in a society where a man can work 50 hours a week and support a family. Its just not a thing for most of the population. So having a child after highschool (which used to be normal) will litteraly condemn a family to poverty and hardships for 2 decades. Im not advocating forced abortions, its a personal choice, and you, me and everyone needs to butt out of that personal decision. Its like picking a faith or religion. Its personal, dont let others choose for you, otherwise you will become resentful.
    , @Dave Bowman
    Well said. One of those "obvious" things - and in my view the most absolutely fundamental, essential and unavoidable single element for our vital understanding, is the precise ethnic identity, ultimate cultural goal, and blood-soaked, ruthless, deranged, White-hating insanity and satanic malice of those directly and deliberately responsible for everything you have stated. Jewish cultural marxism, arising directly from the "work" of a bunch of hidebound, retarded, morally-dead, racist Jewish "sociologists" known collectively as the "Frankfurt Group", has been and still is solely responsible for all the spiritual evils which gave rise to the disgusting, dying decadence and moral corruptions which we in the West now have in our midst day by day, and in which we are drowning. Therefore there can be no forward progress, change, improvement or remedy for our dying illness until every one of those responsible for the international ethnic cultural poison which is killing us all is finally openly identified, and removed permanently from our midst.

    You will become the greatest national and international hero in the history of the civilised world and of dying White society if you can identify and widely publicise precisely how that work should proceed, at the earliest possible time.

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  4. Randal says:

    a homosexual neocon would not be my first choice

    And for good reason.

    There are many reasons not to trust Murray, despite his usefulness as an opponent of islam, and therefore of at least some mass immigration, who is neocon and therefore has access to some high profile establishment assets (eg The Spectator) and some protection from the neocon establishment to say what others would be destroyed for saying.

    Apart from the inherent foolishness of relying too strongly on an open advocate of homosexual behaviour to defend against societal decline, the danger is that the conservative/nativist/nationalist resistance to the really dangerous forces (neocon insiders, and their tools: mass immigration – not just muslim immigration by any means – and the universalist dogmas that justify and enable military interventionism) will be co-opted by those very same enemies. It will profit us nothing if we somehow halt muslim immigration but go down to non-muslim immigration from Africa and India anyway, nor will anything really change in the “invade the world” branch of the current suicidal stupidity of Europe and its offshoots if Murray’s ilk get to dominate the opposition to the universalist establishment as well as the establishment itself.

    A dangerous tool.

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    a gay man does not contribute to the degradation of society, but a neocon does.
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  5. Randal says:

    Speaking of neocons, there’s an excellent piece in The American Conservative today by Ron Maxwell (of Gods and Generals fame – a truly magnificent film), which does exactly what is needed imo if we are to understand and explain Trump’s pretty abject failure (most publicly highlighted by the grating performances of the noxious Nikki Haley) as far as foreign policy is concerned: it drills down and identifies some of the people within the administration who have sabotaged it.

    How Romney Loyalists Hijacked Trump’s Foreign Policy

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  6. JackOH says:

    John, thanks. Gave your piece a quick eye-roll. Morning coffee’s kicking in. I hand-grind from whole bean coffee, just ordinary house brand stuff from Aldi, or Eight O’clock brand, now owned by Tata, I think, one of those Indian meganationals that are quietly kicking our asses. Nothing bogusly artisanal about hand-grinding coffee. It’s just that for the price of 30 seconds worth of hand-cranking, I get a noticeably better cup of coffee.

    What are we really bitching about on Unz? Most of us here have a full belly and some folding money. Few, maybe none of us, are working 72 hours a week and more in wage slavery. We have TV and NASCAR, and, by gosh, Amazon.

    I’ll say our political gripe is that our overlords won’t leave us alone to do our own time on this planet, and to enjoy the benefits of shared values within communities of civic comeliness (“comeliness”-a good old-fashioned word). Instead, our masters artificially elevate fringes and fringe philosophies, lending those fringes undue moral valence and giving them outright and unearned economic benefits. Purpose? Control of us.

    So the guy who dutifully mows his lawn on Saturdays is repeatedly trashed, while the guy with his clunker up on blocks in the front yard is politically courted. No wonder we’re pissed. (Thanks for allowing this micro-rant.)

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    I love my clunker.
    , @edNels
    The article is ok but sort of misses an important side issue. Firstly the term Neocons, and its close/kissin' cousin, Neolibs, are complete three dollar bills to start with. So it should be expected that they and Homosexuals all get together to commiserate, share notes and work together, same aims. Liars all!

    Smart guy Gore Vidal who writes true stuff said a few times that the term homosexual is a misnomer, even though some people do acts that are designated as that. (Animals sometimes too.) Now you have dimwits with not much to offer, who think they can get a leg up on power or something to go around embarrassing others and themselves too, (if they were bright/truthful enough to glean it, being officially "Out'' or Openly this or that.

    This Fruit even likes to self refer him/her/itself as a couple of shit head words that are political correct to the bastards who work to f**k up… uh, the english language, and some other shit I can't remember now, oh traditional values, and that stinks!

    Now see, if the guy wants to ''do his own thing'' on his own time fine, and everybody will let it alone, but they gots to get some f'n extra mileage by going all puplic in everybody's face, for the shock value… oh pulease not shocked anymore! Why not try some other perversions so could use some other terms into your portfolio too? Just one thing or the other? There might be others too, soon you could have transgender AI machines to play with… Haha. One lie that I will suggest backs up my assertion is that business of (''born that way'') it is known to be untrue. Just as the ''Neo's'' are of any importance intellectually. Three Dollar Bills!

    I agree with JackOH's comment too, hope that isn't mixing things up too much.
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  7. Logan says:

    IS THIS A QUOTE

    I don’t know, is it?

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  8. Randal says:
    @Pat the Rat
    Murray is gay.

    This will always make him an apologist for the current system.

    Because at its heart our system is a decadent sexually corrupt dystopia which pits homosexual men, abortion loving women and feral promiscuous men against all the rest.

    With the help of media and academia and the unions these groups have been persuading us for years that these "freedoms", and they are the "freedoms" Obama loved to mention, are simply a step on the road to utopia.

    Unfortunately building society on the blood of millions of unborn children, countless smashed families and a growing, ever growing list of gender weirdness and predation is not and never will work out.

    The west has been eaten from the inside out by evil sexually corrupt decadence.

    And it is not only the blood of millions of unborn children sacrificed on the altar of Molech feminism which is a pillar of our society, but endless immigration to be the children we never had, and endless amounts of vast welfare to try and ameliorate the societal damage of broken families. Go to Baltimore to see where this all leads.

    Unfortunately our society is in vast death spiral and no one will speak the obvious, because they all love their "freedoms".

    Murray is gay.

    This will always make him an apologist for the current system.

    Indeed.

    The only exception is that those who choose a homosexual lifestyle are understandably concerned at the advance of an islamist tide that still retains the fundamentally healthy view of homosexual activity that our own former societal religion Christianity used to have, before it was defeated and corrupted by decadence and leftist infiltration of its institutions.

    A big part of the danger of allowing homosexualist leadership of the resistance to mass immigration is precisely that it results in promoting the corrupt absurdity of people declaring that approval of homosexual activity is some sort of fundamental western moral value!

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    Although Murray realizes that the "death of Europe" is inevitable unless the mass invasion of Muslims and black Africans (Somalis are both) is ended, not in 5-10 years but as soon as is feasible, and that nearly all of them are expelled and sent back to African and the Middle-East, he opposes a ban on Muslim and African immigration, wouldn't even think of calling for mass-deportations/expulsions, and is contemptuous of the people and groups who'd enact such laws and policies and thus save the UK and Western Europe.

    Despite all this -which I doubt has much to do with his being "openly homosexual"- he's superior to virtually all heterosexuals, male and female, among the "ruling elites" of the UK and Western Europe. At least he deplores rather than exalts the mass invasion of Muslims and black Africans even if he doesn't advocate the exigent laws and policies that would prevent the ruination of the UK and Western Europe.

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  9. dearieme says:

    “a thoughtful, well-educated Englishman” – with an interesting family background.

    WKPD: Murray was born and raised in Hammersmith, London to an English mother, a civil servant, and Scottish Gaelic-speaking father, a school teacher, along with his brother. He would go to his father’s ancestral home, the Isle of Lewis, every summer as a boy, where he enjoyed fishing. His paternal grandfather was the schoolmaster of Tong School, where Mary Anne MacLeod, mother of President Trump, was educated.

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  10. From your link, John, to the speech by Vaclav Klaus, former president of Czech Republic and defender of national sovereignty, “Let us not give in to blackmail that uses the threat of terminating European subsidies. We do not need subsidies, and we do not want them.”

    The modus operandi of the Atlanticists is to offer money, basically a credit card, to the unsuspecting victim which gives them the right to charge all the stuff they want from the department store that is the American or European economy. The eager recipient runs up a bill and is then on the hook. When economic times grow lean and/or their economy (like Greece’s) just isn’t able to produce enough exportable goods to offset trade deficits the IMF steps in with emergency loans. Now the debtor nation is truly at the mercy of the bankers who impose severity, force the sale of nationalized sectors of the economy to foreign creditors, put a Goldman Sachs man in as head of Treasury to insure that there’s no hanky panky with printing funny money to pay back the loans etc.

    And the bankers can say, with a straight face, “Hey, we didn’t force them to borrow beyond their means. It’s not our fault that they are insolvent”.

    But they did and it is. They force them to comply with their demands for social reform e.g. taking in hordes of Muslims, by locking them out of international credit markets. To resist this pressure, the target country would have to be completely self sufficient and that is anathema to the Ivy League economists who deliver sermons on it yearly, labeling it autarky.

    Some say that Hitler, Saddam Hussein and Ghadaffi (and now Putin) had to be destroyed because they had the temerity to fund their respective country’s rise through internal financing, that is, without recourse to international finance markets. Perhaps this is true. I’m not enough of an economist to know what to believe. But the evidence is certainly there. The puzzle piece fits.

    Certainly a key element of the North’s victory over the South in the Civil War was the South’s inability to get credit from the British or French bankers. Without credit they could not purchase guns, cannons and powder from foreign industrial manufacturers. The South had not a single iron smelting facility, forge or machine works capable of manufacturing weapons. They had no chemical plant that could manufacture gunpowder.

    Thinking to force British bankers to cough up loans, the South, for the first year of the war, refused to ship cotton to England–and this was before the Federal blockade was effective. The South reasoned that the English mills were so dependent on Southern raw cotton that they would not allow English production to stall because this would result in unacceptably high unemployment and loss of trade.

    The strategy backfired because the English proceeded to develop their cotton supplies in Egypt. By the time the South realized their error, it was too late. The threat to withhold cotton from the market was toothless.

    Without credit the South could not buy arms. Without arms they were doomed.

    So while Vaclav Klaus is within his rights in saying “Let us not give in to blackmail that uses the threat of terminating European subsidies. We do not need subsidies, and we do not want them”, the Atlanticists have shown that they will brook no argument on this matter. We are sending you a credit card in the mail and YOU WILL USE IT!!!

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    Great comment.
    , @David Davenport
    The South had not a single iron smelting facility, forge or machine works capable of manufacturing weapons. They had no chemical plant that could manufacture gunpowder.

    Wrong:

    Tredegar Iron Works

    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    For the similarly named establishment in Wales, see Tredegar Ironworks (Wales).
    Tredegar Iron Works

    U.S. National Register of Historic Places
    U.S. National Historic Landmark District

    ...

    The Tredegar Iron Works in Richmond, Virginia, was the biggest ironworks in the Confederacy during the American Civil War, and a significant factor in the decision to make Richmond its capital.

    Tredegar supplied about half the artillery used by the Confederate States Army, as well as the iron plating for CSS Virginia, the first Confederate ironclad warship, which fought in the historic Battle of Hampton Roads in March 1862. The works avoided destruction by troops during the evacuation of the city, and continued production through the mid-20th century. Now classified as a National Historic Landmark District, the site serves as the main visitor center for the Richmond National Battlefield Park.

    The name Tredegar derives from the Welsh industrial town that supplied much of the company’s early workforce.

    ...

    American Civil War[edit]
    External video

    Trunnion from a bronze cannon stamped "J R A & CO, T F" (J.R. Anderson & Company, Tredegar Foundry) made at the Tredegar Iron Works

    By 1860, the Tredegar Iron Works was the largest of its kind in the South, a fact that played a significant role in the decision to relocate the capital of the Confederacy from Montgomery, Alabama, to Richmond in May 1861.[13] Tredegar supplied high-quality munitions to the Confederacy during the war.

    Its wartime production included the iron plating for the first Confederate ironclad warship, the CSS Virginia which fought in the historic Battle of Hampton Roads in March 1862; credit for approximately 1,100 artillery pieces during the war, about half of the South's total domestic production of artillery between the war years of 1861–1865, including the development of the Brooke rifle;[4] a giant rail-mounted siege cannon. The company also manufactured railroad steam locomotives in the same period.

    As a result of his difficulties competing with Northern industries due to his higher labor and raw material costs,[4] Anderson was a strong supporter of southern secession and became a Brigadier General in the Confederate Army as the war broke out. He was wounded at Glendale during the Seven Days Battles of the Peninsula Campaign in 1862 and served in the Ordnance Department for the duration of the Civil War.

    As the war continued with more and more men conscripted into the Confederate armies, Tredegar experienced a lack of skilled laborers. Scarce supplies of metal also hurt the company's manufacturing abilities during the war and as the conflict progressed it was noticed that Tredegar's products were beginning to lose quality as well as quantity. ...
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  11. songbird says:

    Welfare played a singularly important role. Without welfare, I feel relatively certain none of this would have ever happened. However, consideration of Japan, for instance, seems to preclude welfare from being enough on its own. Or modern communication and transportation (though it is true Japan is closer to high IQ countries).

    Some people blame whites. They may indeed have some genetic predisposition to be psychologically more susceptible, but I believe even in Sweden such a policy would never have won a Swedes only ballot. Maybe, political corruption is enough to make up for the difference.

    I, for one, believe that there are a lot of evolutionary forces working in concert. Leftism is almost certainly much more self-organizing than conservatism. (consider the cult of personality). It is almost certainly more verbally active by nature (guilt is employed mostly comunally, more for sharing rather than for keeping.) The act of keeping in an anarchistic environment probably mainly involves force or threats. Such behaviors are actively discouraged in modern times.

    Not to mention much of the taking is deeply obfuscated. What sort of tolerance would peasants have had in the agricultural era, if they had to suddenly had to hand over bushels of their crop, or parts of their flock directly to people of alien looks and culture? The tithes (paid to the Protestant church) were a very sore issue for Catholics in Ireland, despite the Anglo-Irish being practically the same people. Even for co-ethnic refugees, mercy was entirely predicated on the harvest.

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  12. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    What all the wise men promised has not happened, and what all the damned fools said would happen has come to pass.

    What he said.

    Good show, Darby! Well-written and properly discursive.

    Plus, you avoided temptation of “wrought”, and deployed the correct past participle.

    A modestly-restrained tendency to start sentences with “but” has its uses, one being it is an “alert” word, informing the reader that contrast approaches, just as “plus” informs the reader that additional useful, perhaps subjective information follows.

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    Okay, Grammar Girl. You done now?
    , @Stebbing Heuer
    'Wrought' works just as well as 'wreaked'.
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  13. Wazoo says:

    As the implications sink in, white flight and capital flight from Western Europe will increase. The Eastern European countries could benefit enormously from this trend, but this will require leaving the EU. Assuming these countries resist EU blackmail, they will become the new center of Western civilization in a few decades.

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    Except it is Poles coming to Britain, not the other way about. And the reason Britain voted to leave the EU was Poles and other East (and south) Europeans were landing in vast numbers to compete with the British in their own country, and no end in sight. The EU is great for the Poles ect but British workers get absolutely no reciprocal benefit. The Poles ect were is direct competition with British workers and the inflow was being used to hold wages down.
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  14. @Randal

    a homosexual neocon would not be my first choice
     
    And for good reason.

    There are many reasons not to trust Murray, despite his usefulness as an opponent of islam, and therefore of at least some mass immigration, who is neocon and therefore has access to some high profile establishment assets (eg The Spectator) and some protection from the neocon establishment to say what others would be destroyed for saying.

    Apart from the inherent foolishness of relying too strongly on an open advocate of homosexual behaviour to defend against societal decline, the danger is that the conservative/nativist/nationalist resistance to the really dangerous forces (neocon insiders, and their tools: mass immigration - not just muslim immigration by any means - and the universalist dogmas that justify and enable military interventionism) will be co-opted by those very same enemies. It will profit us nothing if we somehow halt muslim immigration but go down to non-muslim immigration from Africa and India anyway, nor will anything really change in the "invade the world" branch of the current suicidal stupidity of Europe and its offshoots if Murray's ilk get to dominate the opposition to the universalist establishment as well as the establishment itself.

    A dangerous tool.

    a gay man does not contribute to the degradation of society, but a neocon does.

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    Clearly we disagree on that.
    , @Authenticjazzman
    I can vividly recall an Autobahn rest area three decades ago which had become a gay hook-up spot with at times a hundred cars stopped and the guys, total strangers, out in the woods, screwing each other in the ass and every blowing every else, AIDS be damned

    So apparently you think society had already degenerated to this level, and these individuals were simply acting out of the norm.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society members since 1973, airborne qualified US Army Vet and pro Jazz musician

    PS I believe gays are born gay.

    , @Daniel H
    >>>a gay man does not contribute to the degradation of society, but a neocon does.

    You are right. The neocons have caused more destruction to this country than all the fairies in New York and San Francisco put together, and that's accounting for the destruction of innocent lives through AIDS.

    We can survive the fairies, we can't survive the reign of the neocons.
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  15. Sean says:
    @Wazoo
    As the implications sink in, white flight and capital flight from Western Europe will increase. The Eastern European countries could benefit enormously from this trend, but this will require leaving the EU. Assuming these countries resist EU blackmail, they will become the new center of Western civilization in a few decades.

    Except it is Poles coming to Britain, not the other way about. And the reason Britain voted to leave the EU was Poles and other East (and south) Europeans were landing in vast numbers to compete with the British in their own country, and no end in sight. The EU is great for the Poles ect but British workers get absolutely no reciprocal benefit. The Poles ect were is direct competition with British workers and the inflow was being used to hold wages down.

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    the reason Britain voted to leave the EU was Poles and other East (and south) Europeans

    That was also my conclusion that when pushed further implies that British were OK with Muslims, Hindu and Black immigrants as long as they did not come from continental Europe.
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  16. Matra says:

    The editor of that newspaper was threatened with prosecution by no less than the Norwegian Prime Minister.

    That Norwegian Prime Minister, Jens Stoltenberg, just happens to be the current General Secretary of NATO.

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    I love it!
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  17. David says:

    OT, It’s been about two months since the last terror attack in a Western country. There was such a spate of them in the Spring, I wonder if they are coordinated after all.

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    >>OT, It’s been about two months since the last terror attack in a Western country. There was such a spate of them in the Spring, I wonder if they are coordinated after all.

    What are you talking about? There were two Muslim terrorist attacks in Germany in the past week alone. One in Hamburg where an Allah Akbar went on a stabbing spree, killed one and wounded nine. Two days later an Allah Akbar went into a nightclub (I forget the city, just google it), shot up the place and killed two people. Don't leave aside the plot that the Australian police busted just yesterday where a gang of Allah Akbars were planning to blow up an airplane.

    Allah Akbar terrorist attacks have become so common that we barely note them anymore.

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  18. Oddly enough, I discovered only yesterday that I’ve bought this book twice. A Kindle edition and the on Saturday Amazon delivered the hardback.

    I guess I’m going to have to read it.

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    The audio edition is good too, though not read by the author (who has a faint but oddly charming lisp - no homo.) The narrator has lively enough prosody to keep you engaged without overselling the drama.
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  19. Talking to Europeans, I don’t get the sense that they’re racked with guilt. They’re actually full of anger, not at their own elites, but at America, for not eagerly embracing their narratives. If you bring up the Islam thing, and the crime, they roll their eyes like you’re some kind of Fox News kool-aid drinker. I’ve actually had Swedes tell me to my face that news about Muslim crime there is entirely made up. Then they’ll change the subject to gun crime in Chicago. These are people who are fully invested in their own dispossession, and I have no sympathy for them. They deserve what they get.

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    Talking to Europeans, I don’t get the sense that they’re racked with guilt. They’re actually full of anger, not at their own elites, but at America, for not eagerly embracing their narratives. If you bring up the Islam thing, and the crime, they roll their eyes like you’re some kind of Fox News kool-aid drinker. I’ve actually had Swedes tell me to my face that news about Muslim crime there is entirely made up.
     
    In fairness, that's partly because it certainly is grossly exaggerated in some US quarters.

    I know this from personal experience, having been told by Americans that British cities that I am personally familiar with have become "no go zones", when in fact the muslim majority areas they do contain are no more dangerous than any inner city area. As always, if you want to pick a fight with the yoofs hanging around on street corners, you can do so by staring at them. Otherwise, unless you are a flamboyant homosexual or a scantily clad woman, or just unlucky, you don't have any particular problems.

    On the other hands, the ones asserting there is "no problem at all" are also lying. The increased aggression towards the latter two categories is clearly an unwelcome consequence of mass immigration, and the division of society into muslim and non-muslim is a recipe for trouble, and likely civil disorder or even war, in the future.
    , @Authenticjazzman
    Brilliant observations !!

    But the unaddressed bottom line in all of this pandemonia is WHO is actually setting the political/societal tone for all of this madness, the answer being as un-PC as one could possibly get, and that being : Lunatic leftist " green" Females all over Europe, starting with Germany and Sweden.

    Insane leftist females of the german "Green" party are still insisting upon totally open borders as of yesterday, and they are the ones dictating to, as crazy as it sounds, the conservatives in Germany as to how the the mass immigration situation should be or not be handled.

    And opposing these nut-cases is more or less impopssible in this age of feminism and female-domination.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army Vet, and pro Jazz musician
    , @Art Deco
    Talking to Europeans, I don’t get the sense that they’re racked with guilt.

    Agreed. The only progressive I've ever met who actually was wracked by guilt was so over events in her personal history. (Her politics are leftoid, but she's not someone who's all that invested in public life. Nice progs are generally progs without strong views).
    , @lavoisier
    So true. The progressives are far too thick on the ground in Western Europe.
    , @Dave Bowman
    Understood. But you're missing something critical.

    It's called "massive, ongoing, deliberate, ruthless, malicious, murderous Jewish cultural marxist brainwashing from every conceivable avenue of society", ie Hollywood, mass media, fashion and culture outlets, every single radio and television station, and worst of all, apparently "honest", traditionally truthful, caring White-based family , neighbours, frineds and workmates who are all 100% brain-dead from the same corrupting, corrosive, murderous, Jewish ideology.

    How much hope, honestly, do you think "ordinary" trusting, half-ignorant people have of resisting this kind of all-encompassing societal pressure to conform to the prevailaing madness.

    The moral guilt lies with those who sell the poison, not with those who swallow it.
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  20. @ThreeCranes
    From your link, John, to the speech by Vaclav Klaus, former president of Czech Republic and defender of national sovereignty, "Let us not give in to blackmail that uses the threat of terminating European subsidies. We do not need subsidies, and we do not want them."

    The modus operandi of the Atlanticists is to offer money, basically a credit card, to the unsuspecting victim which gives them the right to charge all the stuff they want from the department store that is the American or European economy. The eager recipient runs up a bill and is then on the hook. When economic times grow lean and/or their economy (like Greece's) just isn't able to produce enough exportable goods to offset trade deficits the IMF steps in with emergency loans. Now the debtor nation is truly at the mercy of the bankers who impose severity, force the sale of nationalized sectors of the economy to foreign creditors, put a Goldman Sachs man in as head of Treasury to insure that there's no hanky panky with printing funny money to pay back the loans etc.

    And the bankers can say, with a straight face, "Hey, we didn't force them to borrow beyond their means. It's not our fault that they are insolvent".

    But they did and it is. They force them to comply with their demands for social reform e.g. taking in hordes of Muslims, by locking them out of international credit markets. To resist this pressure, the target country would have to be completely self sufficient and that is anathema to the Ivy League economists who deliver sermons on it yearly, labeling it autarky.

    Some say that Hitler, Saddam Hussein and Ghadaffi (and now Putin) had to be destroyed because they had the temerity to fund their respective country's rise through internal financing, that is, without recourse to international finance markets. Perhaps this is true. I'm not enough of an economist to know what to believe. But the evidence is certainly there. The puzzle piece fits.

    Certainly a key element of the North's victory over the South in the Civil War was the South's inability to get credit from the British or French bankers. Without credit they could not purchase guns, cannons and powder from foreign industrial manufacturers. The South had not a single iron smelting facility, forge or machine works capable of manufacturing weapons. They had no chemical plant that could manufacture gunpowder.

    Thinking to force British bankers to cough up loans, the South, for the first year of the war, refused to ship cotton to England--and this was before the Federal blockade was effective. The South reasoned that the English mills were so dependent on Southern raw cotton that they would not allow English production to stall because this would result in unacceptably high unemployment and loss of trade.

    The strategy backfired because the English proceeded to develop their cotton supplies in Egypt. By the time the South realized their error, it was too late. The threat to withhold cotton from the market was toothless.

    Without credit the South could not buy arms. Without arms they were doomed.

    So while Vaclav Klaus is within his rights in saying "Let us not give in to blackmail that uses the threat of terminating European subsidies. We do not need subsidies, and we do not want them", the Atlanticists have shown that they will brook no argument on this matter. We are sending you a credit card in the mail and YOU WILL USE IT!!!

    Great comment.

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  21. Randal says:
    @Lawrence Fitton
    a gay man does not contribute to the degradation of society, but a neocon does.

    Clearly we disagree on that.

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  22. Randal says:
    @Bragadocious
    Talking to Europeans, I don't get the sense that they're racked with guilt. They're actually full of anger, not at their own elites, but at America, for not eagerly embracing their narratives. If you bring up the Islam thing, and the crime, they roll their eyes like you're some kind of Fox News kool-aid drinker. I've actually had Swedes tell me to my face that news about Muslim crime there is entirely made up. Then they'll change the subject to gun crime in Chicago. These are people who are fully invested in their own dispossession, and I have no sympathy for them. They deserve what they get.

    Talking to Europeans, I don’t get the sense that they’re racked with guilt. They’re actually full of anger, not at their own elites, but at America, for not eagerly embracing their narratives. If you bring up the Islam thing, and the crime, they roll their eyes like you’re some kind of Fox News kool-aid drinker. I’ve actually had Swedes tell me to my face that news about Muslim crime there is entirely made up.

    In fairness, that’s partly because it certainly is grossly exaggerated in some US quarters.

    I know this from personal experience, having been told by Americans that British cities that I am personally familiar with have become “no go zones”, when in fact the muslim majority areas they do contain are no more dangerous than any inner city area. As always, if you want to pick a fight with the yoofs hanging around on street corners, you can do so by staring at them. Otherwise, unless you are a flamboyant homosexual or a scantily clad woman, or just unlucky, you don’t have any particular problems.

    On the other hands, the ones asserting there is “no problem at all” are also lying. The increased aggression towards the latter two categories is clearly an unwelcome consequence of mass immigration, and the division of society into muslim and non-muslim is a recipe for trouble, and likely civil disorder or even war, in the future.

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  23. @Emblematic
    John Derbyshire wonders why Europeans are so susceptible to guilt. One explanation is that all cultures have a foundation myth that tells them who they are, and the foundation myth of modern Europeans is a negative one.

    How do you recognise a foundation myth? It fulfils three functions.

    1)It explains the origin and structure of the world (and society).
    2)It defines ultimate good and evil (and from those definitions are derived the values that are used to justify the holding of power).
    3)It determines what is held sacred in that society.

    For modern Westerners the story of WWII has become their foundation myth. It fulfils all three functions.

    1)We live in the 'Post-War World'. The lines on the map, the institutions, the sense of what era we live in, all arise from the starting point of WWII.

    2)Ultimate evil is Nazis. Ultimate good is opposing Nazis. The values derived from these definitions are anti-racism, equality, diversity, anti-nationalism and so on.

    3)The only thing that is held sacred, that cannot be denied or mocked in the contemporary West, is the Holocaust.

    The problem is that all three functions are backwards or negative.

    Instead of the origin event being one of fertility and new life, it was a conflagration of death and destruction.

    Instead of ultimate good taking the central position in the story that slot is occupied by ultimate evil. Everyone knows that Adolf Hitler, the personification of evil, holds the centre point of the WWII story.

    Instead of that which is held sacred being something mysterious and sublime it (the Holocaust) is an obscenity.

    Having a negative foundation myth means the tree of life for Westerners is poisoned. People don't realise it but the bounds of allowable thought and the orientation of ideas are all downstream from the myth of the society. As long as our understanding of who we are is determined by this negative foundation myth the only direction is down.

    Joseph Campbell’s five functions of foundational myths (religions) included a rational for the monsterous fact of our own existence and the appalling inevitabily of our death.

    Both of these have been lost to Europe too.

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  24. anon says: • Disclaimer

    In terms of root causes, the current EU situation was made much worse by the conflation of economic migration with refugee status.

    Post WW 2, the notion of dealing humanely with refugees is appealing. After all, it is impossible to blame refugees for leaving their home when it has become a war zone. And providing temporary aid in the form of food, shelter, etc. seems reasonable.

    We all know that it turned into a disaster. Any attempt to turn things around would do well to focus on the most legitimate claims of refugees and see that they are met without migration. And then close the gate.

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    And repatriate.
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  25. utu says:
    @Sean
    Except it is Poles coming to Britain, not the other way about. And the reason Britain voted to leave the EU was Poles and other East (and south) Europeans were landing in vast numbers to compete with the British in their own country, and no end in sight. The EU is great for the Poles ect but British workers get absolutely no reciprocal benefit. The Poles ect were is direct competition with British workers and the inflow was being used to hold wages down.

    the reason Britain voted to leave the EU was Poles and other East (and south) Europeans

    That was also my conclusion that when pushed further implies that British were OK with Muslims, Hindu and Black immigrants as long as they did not come from continental Europe.

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    That was also my conclusion that when pushed further implies that British were OK with Muslims, Hindu and Black immigrants as long as they did not come from continental Europe.
     
    Mass immigration from anywhere is a cost for the country it divides, the communities it destroys and the workers whose employment opportunities and bargaining power are taken from them. That said, the fewer the cultural and ethnic/racial differences the less intense the problems that are created, for a given number of immigrants.

    The only reason why opposition to Polish etc immigration has been more obvious than resistance to muslim/Asian/ME/African immigration is that the latter has been much more massively suppressed by the antiracism taboo and the cultural and legal punishments dished out to those who "notice" the latter too loudly.

    , @Sean
    The earliest industrial unrest was in Britain and it led the way for a long time. Today workers are less unionised mainly because manufacturing has been outsourced and what is left is services like construction, which the Poles ect dominate. In fact the government had to ban firms from recruiting workers direct from Romania ect for jobs never advertised in Britain.
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  26. And reading Murray’s accounts of the vexed situation of Europe’s Jews in a rapidly Islamicizing continent, you’d have to say that if the Jewish-conspiracy theory is correct, we are looking at a historically unprecedented conjunction of malice and stupidity.

    Yes, because where can the humanitarian Jewish Community go when they’re under such vicious attack in places like Rotherham, Rochdale, Paris, etc, etc? If only they had a country of their own! As it is, Muslim immigration into Europe has been a disaster for the Jewish Community for decades (murder, rape, robbery, massive transfers of wealth and resources from the Jewish Community to the incomers, etc) and is only just beginning to affect the goyim in the same way.

    Given all that… As J.D. so wisely (and honestly) remarks: if the Jewish Community did have any hand in opening the borders, it would be a “historically unprecedented conjunction of malice and stupidity” on their part. And where’s the evidence that the Jewish Community sees the Muslim Community as useful in any way in their age-old battle to make the world a better place?

    Dr Richard Stone has worked as an anti-racism and inter-faith campaigner in the UK. He has been in the campaign arising around the Stephen Lawrence murder and is a friend, adviser and confidant of Doreen Lawrence on a continuing basis. Dr Stone served as a Cabinet Advisor to the Mayor of London, President of the Jewish Council for Racial Equality, and spent five years on the Runnymede Trust’s ‘Commission on British Muslims and Islamophobia’, from 2000 to 2004 as chair. He has also been a trustee and vice-Chair of the Runnymede Trust and a Council and Board member of Liberty. For 14 years he has been the chair of the Islamophobia Commission, set up by the Runnymede Trust in 1996, working with British Muslims.

    He was a member of the Home Office’s Working Groups on Tackling Extremism Together. Much of his work has been to bring together British Jews and British Muslims. He was a founding trustee of the Maimonides Foundation in 1985 and in 2004 he founded Alif-Aleph UK (British Muslims and British Jews). He is an Honorary Fellow and Inter Faith Patron of the Woolf Institute, a Centre for Muslim-Jewish Relations at the University of Cambridge and a Visiting Fellow in the criminology department of the University of Westminster.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stone_(anti-racism_activist)

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  27. @Bragadocious
    Talking to Europeans, I don't get the sense that they're racked with guilt. They're actually full of anger, not at their own elites, but at America, for not eagerly embracing their narratives. If you bring up the Islam thing, and the crime, they roll their eyes like you're some kind of Fox News kool-aid drinker. I've actually had Swedes tell me to my face that news about Muslim crime there is entirely made up. Then they'll change the subject to gun crime in Chicago. These are people who are fully invested in their own dispossession, and I have no sympathy for them. They deserve what they get.

    Brilliant observations !!

    But the unaddressed bottom line in all of this pandemonia is WHO is actually setting the political/societal tone for all of this madness, the answer being as un-PC as one could possibly get, and that being : Lunatic leftist ” green” Females all over Europe, starting with Germany and Sweden.

    Insane leftist females of the german “Green” party are still insisting upon totally open borders as of yesterday, and they are the ones dictating to, as crazy as it sounds, the conservatives in Germany as to how the the mass immigration situation should be or not be handled.

    And opposing these nut-cases is more or less impopssible in this age of feminism and female-domination.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army Vet, and pro Jazz musician

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    The hard truth is that among the most powerful forces pushing mass immigration in both Europe and in the US are the Christian churches. They have been as thoroughly penetrated by multiculturalist pro-immigration lefties as they have by homosexual behaviour advocates (often the same people, obviously).
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  28. @Lawrence Fitton
    a gay man does not contribute to the degradation of society, but a neocon does.

    I can vividly recall an Autobahn rest area three decades ago which had become a gay hook-up spot with at times a hundred cars stopped and the guys, total strangers, out in the woods, screwing each other in the ass and every blowing every else, AIDS be damned

    So apparently you think society had already degenerated to this level, and these individuals were simply acting out of the norm.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” society members since 1973, airborne qualified US Army Vet and pro Jazz musician

    PS I believe gays are born gay.

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    PS I believe gays are born gay.

    They aren't.
    , @Lawrence Fitton
    gays are born gay; it part of the human condition. your description of a gay bar and hijinks in the woods can easily be switched to a hetero bar.
    you're stuck in the fifties when a niggas knew their place and homos stayed in the closet.
    time to fast-forward into modernity.
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  29. Randal says:
    @utu
    the reason Britain voted to leave the EU was Poles and other East (and south) Europeans

    That was also my conclusion that when pushed further implies that British were OK with Muslims, Hindu and Black immigrants as long as they did not come from continental Europe.

    That was also my conclusion that when pushed further implies that British were OK with Muslims, Hindu and Black immigrants as long as they did not come from continental Europe.

    Mass immigration from anywhere is a cost for the country it divides, the communities it destroys and the workers whose employment opportunities and bargaining power are taken from them. That said, the fewer the cultural and ethnic/racial differences the less intense the problems that are created, for a given number of immigrants.

    The only reason why opposition to Polish etc immigration has been more obvious than resistance to muslim/Asian/ME/African immigration is that the latter has been much more massively suppressed by the antiracism taboo and the cultural and legal punishments dished out to those who “notice” the latter too loudly.

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    Partly the British have been told by the chattering classes there is nothing wrong with their country being inhabited by non-European races, and policed into submission, yes.

    But Poles and Romanians are in far more direct competition for the jobs such as construction. The British working class want higher wages and no zero hours contracts. The proof is the vote for Corbyn:-

    Mass immigration from the European Union has been used to "destroy" the conditions of British workers, Jeremy Corbyn said today. http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2017/07/jeremy-corbyn-wholesale-eu-immigration-has-destroyed-conditions-british
     
    Business want immigration without end from everywhere and together with a substantial proportion of affluent people who benefit from the immigration, business runs the show. You'll see, the immigration of Poles ect (and non Eu too) will increase year on year. Unstoppable.
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  30. Randal says:
    @Authenticjazzman
    Brilliant observations !!

    But the unaddressed bottom line in all of this pandemonia is WHO is actually setting the political/societal tone for all of this madness, the answer being as un-PC as one could possibly get, and that being : Lunatic leftist " green" Females all over Europe, starting with Germany and Sweden.

    Insane leftist females of the german "Green" party are still insisting upon totally open borders as of yesterday, and they are the ones dictating to, as crazy as it sounds, the conservatives in Germany as to how the the mass immigration situation should be or not be handled.

    And opposing these nut-cases is more or less impopssible in this age of feminism and female-domination.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army Vet, and pro Jazz musician

    But the unaddressed bottom line in all of this pandemonia is WHO is actually setting the political/societal tone for all of this madness, the answer being as un-PC as one could possibly get, and that being : Lunatic leftist ” green” Females all over Europe, starting with Germany and Sweden.

    The hard truth is that among the most powerful forces pushing mass immigration in both Europe and in the US are the Christian churches. They have been as thoroughly penetrated by multiculturalist pro-immigration lefties as they have by homosexual behaviour advocates (often the same people, obviously).

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    The hard truth is that among the most powerful forces pushing mass immigration in both Europe and in the US are the Christian churches.

    The churches are donation collecting machines who generally have no influence over aught but their own employees. Their primary activity is maintaining their legacy property. The only bodies which exercise influence outside their own boundaries would be the Latter Day Saints, the Catholic Church (on alternate Tuesdays only); and (at the local level) evangelical megachurches, AME congregations, and National Baptist congregations.

    , @Authenticjazzman
    " The hard truth is that among the most powerful forces pushing mass immigration in both Europe and the US are the Christian churces" . No argument from me, however who sets the political tone within these institutions : Leftist women, and the clergy who agree with them, who go along with them.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army vet, and pro Jazz musician.
    , @attilathehen
    The specific churches are the Roman Catholic Church and the ZioChristians. It's more than they've been penetrated by multi-culti immigration lefties and homos. It's that the "universality" of Christianity is the problem. These degenerates are on a "mission." I'm a cradle RCCer and know the faith. The "trad RCCers" are just as evil as the liberals. They accept black/Asian priests-popes. This is the problem. If you accept black/Asians as equals, especially religiously, you assure the destruction of Caucasian/European peoples. I follow "trad, " "liberal," RCC sites and the Zioevangiers. They are flipsides of the same worthless coin. These groups cannot deal with the reality of the most objective truth, IQ (which is tied to race). The RCC/Zioevangiers really believe that Jesus and the communion wafer can bring about actual change. It cannot. Only a few people are capable of change and they are the Caucasians/Europeans. Martin Luther was correct in that most people are dung covered forms and that Christianity can only cover the dung in snow. I frequently comment and say look at different countries and compare them. Which country is better: RCC Philippines or Shinto/Buddhist Japan? RCC El Salvador or WASP USA (and I mean the actual WASP person)? RCC Haiti or Protestant Iceland? Of course the racial differences are noticeable, but on further study you will see the huge differences in IQ. No RCC/Zioevanger wants to deal with this. In fact, the cucks are working overtime to paper over these huge differences.

    (((Stefan Molyneux))) did a podcast with Jordan Peterson about "sorting yourself out." It was interesting but at about the 24 minute mark they start talking about how using a program Peterson came up with, they can "raise the IQs" of minorities and make them equal to whites!!!!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kdnmT_7gLE I attach the youtube.

    This is pure degeneracy and madness!!! These 2 cucks are folding and trying to figure out some way to justify keeping the black/Asian/Muslims in the West. Even if Caucasians/Asians/ blacks had similar IQs, we don't want to marry Asians/blacks because they are not white!!! There's a trad RCC cuck E Michael Jones who constantly blames RCC problems on the Jews. He goes to Iran alot where he gets an opportunity to blame the Jews for many things. But he is someone who will OSCULUM INFAME a black/Asian priest-pope. He can't even admit that he's white. He says he's Irish/German but that doesn't mean a color. This is evil, cowardly, degeneracy with which we are dealing. He has youtubes and his most recent ones were with a Chinese woman living in England who was a Muslim but is now an atheist. This woman is free to opine about the West from Asia, not England. But Jones babbles about how we need philosophy and logos for the world to come to an understanding. No, we need repatriation. We need to assert the supremacy of the West and that it belongs to Westerners. We need to say Asians/blacks are inferiors and they must find their way in the world without Western help. Asians/blacks are free to comment on the West, but from their countries.

    Plus, dealing with the RCC/Zioevangiers first gets rid of the Jewish problem. More than one-half of world Jewry now lives in Israel. The West must work on getting the rest to Israel. But only by dealing with the RCC/Zioevangers (who give the Jews their power) first, will the West be able to restore itself.
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  31. Sean says:
    @utu
    the reason Britain voted to leave the EU was Poles and other East (and south) Europeans

    That was also my conclusion that when pushed further implies that British were OK with Muslims, Hindu and Black immigrants as long as they did not come from continental Europe.

    The earliest industrial unrest was in Britain and it led the way for a long time. Today workers are less unionised mainly because manufacturing has been outsourced and what is left is services like construction, which the Poles ect dominate. In fact the government had to ban firms from recruiting workers direct from Romania ect for jobs never advertised in Britain.

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  32. Hail says: • Website

    Possible intended meanings of the final two sentences highlighted by JD:

    And while Europeans may be almost endlessly compassionate, we may not be boundlessly so.

    Endless and boundless are synonyms, but note the powerful rhetorical switch from ‘Europeans’ [they] to ‘we.’

    ‘Boundless’ sounds like boundary, or border. This could be a physical border (e.g., the Federal Republic of Germany being willing to take in millions of Muslims, but Hungary not), or, more likely, a metaphorical one, in the sense that there is a boundary which will not be crossed, a Line in the Sand, a Rubicon which, if they cross it, means war.

    Alternatively: ‘Endless’ compassion is not ‘unbounded’ compassion in that we are endlessly compassionate to our own children, but there is a boundary and we are much less compassionate to others’ children.

    Which is how the fatal blow will finally land.

    This seems a plausibly-deniable, cryptic turn into the really radical rhetoric that gets one under the surveillance of political police in some countries; it is a hint, just a hint, of the rhetoric of the more stridently racialist wing(s) Alt Right, of ‘White Genocide. Following White displacement in our own homelands, an Islamization of the beleaguered remnants of the White Man in some future decade(s) — this I presume is what he may mean by the “final blow.”

    Many of us reading this have seen this problem for years now, so the question I have is more directed at his second-to-last sentence: “Prisoners of the past and of the present, for Europeans there seem finally to be no decent answers to the future.” We do need to break out of our cultural ghetto, the one described in a comment above by Emblematic.

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  33. Art Deco says:
    @Randal

    But the unaddressed bottom line in all of this pandemonia is WHO is actually setting the political/societal tone for all of this madness, the answer being as un-PC as one could possibly get, and that being : Lunatic leftist ” green” Females all over Europe, starting with Germany and Sweden.
     
    The hard truth is that among the most powerful forces pushing mass immigration in both Europe and in the US are the Christian churches. They have been as thoroughly penetrated by multiculturalist pro-immigration lefties as they have by homosexual behaviour advocates (often the same people, obviously).

    The hard truth is that among the most powerful forces pushing mass immigration in both Europe and in the US are the Christian churches.

    The churches are donation collecting machines who generally have no influence over aught but their own employees. Their primary activity is maintaining their legacy property. The only bodies which exercise influence outside their own boundaries would be the Latter Day Saints, the Catholic Church (on alternate Tuesdays only); and (at the local level) evangelical megachurches, AME congregations, and National Baptist congregations.

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    "The churches are donation collecting machines who generally have no influence over aught but their own employees" lol there are plenty of books on the subject disproving that. Churches have a tremendous influence. More then a group of openly crazy people should be allowed to have. Theres a well written book detailing the "marriage" of politics to religion in the 1930s that basically set the standard for political parties in the following decades. It shows that churches and the people that ran them had a clear political agenda.


    "One nation under god". Even goes to show that america never was a christian nation, and it was hijacked in the mid 20c to push a political agenda.
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  34. Art Deco says:
    @Authenticjazzman
    I can vividly recall an Autobahn rest area three decades ago which had become a gay hook-up spot with at times a hundred cars stopped and the guys, total strangers, out in the woods, screwing each other in the ass and every blowing every else, AIDS be damned

    So apparently you think society had already degenerated to this level, and these individuals were simply acting out of the norm.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society members since 1973, airborne qualified US Army Vet and pro Jazz musician

    PS I believe gays are born gay.

    PS I believe gays are born gay.

    They aren’t.

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  35. Art Deco says:
    @Bragadocious
    Talking to Europeans, I don't get the sense that they're racked with guilt. They're actually full of anger, not at their own elites, but at America, for not eagerly embracing their narratives. If you bring up the Islam thing, and the crime, they roll their eyes like you're some kind of Fox News kool-aid drinker. I've actually had Swedes tell me to my face that news about Muslim crime there is entirely made up. Then they'll change the subject to gun crime in Chicago. These are people who are fully invested in their own dispossession, and I have no sympathy for them. They deserve what they get.

    Talking to Europeans, I don’t get the sense that they’re racked with guilt.

    Agreed. The only progressive I’ve ever met who actually was wracked by guilt was so over events in her personal history. (Her politics are leftoid, but she’s not someone who’s all that invested in public life. Nice progs are generally progs without strong views).

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  36. @Emblematic
    John Derbyshire wonders why Europeans are so susceptible to guilt. One explanation is that all cultures have a foundation myth that tells them who they are, and the foundation myth of modern Europeans is a negative one.

    How do you recognise a foundation myth? It fulfils three functions.

    1)It explains the origin and structure of the world (and society).
    2)It defines ultimate good and evil (and from those definitions are derived the values that are used to justify the holding of power).
    3)It determines what is held sacred in that society.

    For modern Westerners the story of WWII has become their foundation myth. It fulfils all three functions.

    1)We live in the 'Post-War World'. The lines on the map, the institutions, the sense of what era we live in, all arise from the starting point of WWII.

    2)Ultimate evil is Nazis. Ultimate good is opposing Nazis. The values derived from these definitions are anti-racism, equality, diversity, anti-nationalism and so on.

    3)The only thing that is held sacred, that cannot be denied or mocked in the contemporary West, is the Holocaust.

    The problem is that all three functions are backwards or negative.

    Instead of the origin event being one of fertility and new life, it was a conflagration of death and destruction.

    Instead of ultimate good taking the central position in the story that slot is occupied by ultimate evil. Everyone knows that Adolf Hitler, the personification of evil, holds the centre point of the WWII story.

    Instead of that which is held sacred being something mysterious and sublime it (the Holocaust) is an obscenity.

    Having a negative foundation myth means the tree of life for Westerners is poisoned. People don't realise it but the bounds of allowable thought and the orientation of ideas are all downstream from the myth of the society. As long as our understanding of who we are is determined by this negative foundation myth the only direction is down.

    “a homosexual neocon would not be my first choice of companion,” neither should a man with a Chinese wife and offspring, which is what Derbyshire has, should be able to comment on Europe.

    Cherchez la femme/le homme of some of these “European nationalists”. Derbyshire’s imported Chinese wife is now a USA citizen, voted for Obummer, along with the daughter.

    Derbyshire appeared at the AmRen conference this past weekend and spoke about “race denial.” Unbelievable chutzpah from someone who married a woman from a lower race. It doesn’t seem that his wife and offspring attended. If the offspring had, they should have given a speech about how grateful they are their father plucked their mother from a rice paddy and gave them an evolutionary shot to a higher caste.

    Derbyshire is a Sinophile and Semitophile. He is part of the problem.

    At the AmRen conference there was another speaker, (((John K. Press))). This degenerate (who says he “converted to Christianity,” lives in South Korea and is always babbling about culture. He refuses to deal with the fact that culture springs from biology. Biology in human terms consists of 3 races: Caucasian, Asian, black. IQ is directly related to the races: Caucasians first, Asians second, blacks last.

    Derbyshire, Brimelow, AmRen are part of the controlled opposition.

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  37. @Emblematic
    John Derbyshire wonders why Europeans are so susceptible to guilt. One explanation is that all cultures have a foundation myth that tells them who they are, and the foundation myth of modern Europeans is a negative one.

    How do you recognise a foundation myth? It fulfils three functions.

    1)It explains the origin and structure of the world (and society).
    2)It defines ultimate good and evil (and from those definitions are derived the values that are used to justify the holding of power).
    3)It determines what is held sacred in that society.

    For modern Westerners the story of WWII has become their foundation myth. It fulfils all three functions.

    1)We live in the 'Post-War World'. The lines on the map, the institutions, the sense of what era we live in, all arise from the starting point of WWII.

    2)Ultimate evil is Nazis. Ultimate good is opposing Nazis. The values derived from these definitions are anti-racism, equality, diversity, anti-nationalism and so on.

    3)The only thing that is held sacred, that cannot be denied or mocked in the contemporary West, is the Holocaust.

    The problem is that all three functions are backwards or negative.

    Instead of the origin event being one of fertility and new life, it was a conflagration of death and destruction.

    Instead of ultimate good taking the central position in the story that slot is occupied by ultimate evil. Everyone knows that Adolf Hitler, the personification of evil, holds the centre point of the WWII story.

    Instead of that which is held sacred being something mysterious and sublime it (the Holocaust) is an obscenity.

    Having a negative foundation myth means the tree of life for Westerners is poisoned. People don't realise it but the bounds of allowable thought and the orientation of ideas are all downstream from the myth of the society. As long as our understanding of who we are is determined by this negative foundation myth the only direction is down.

    That’s thought provoking.

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  38. @Emblematic
    John Derbyshire wonders why Europeans are so susceptible to guilt. One explanation is that all cultures have a foundation myth that tells them who they are, and the foundation myth of modern Europeans is a negative one.

    How do you recognise a foundation myth? It fulfils three functions.

    1)It explains the origin and structure of the world (and society).
    2)It defines ultimate good and evil (and from those definitions are derived the values that are used to justify the holding of power).
    3)It determines what is held sacred in that society.

    For modern Westerners the story of WWII has become their foundation myth. It fulfils all three functions.

    1)We live in the 'Post-War World'. The lines on the map, the institutions, the sense of what era we live in, all arise from the starting point of WWII.

    2)Ultimate evil is Nazis. Ultimate good is opposing Nazis. The values derived from these definitions are anti-racism, equality, diversity, anti-nationalism and so on.

    3)The only thing that is held sacred, that cannot be denied or mocked in the contemporary West, is the Holocaust.

    The problem is that all three functions are backwards or negative.

    Instead of the origin event being one of fertility and new life, it was a conflagration of death and destruction.

    Instead of ultimate good taking the central position in the story that slot is occupied by ultimate evil. Everyone knows that Adolf Hitler, the personification of evil, holds the centre point of the WWII story.

    Instead of that which is held sacred being something mysterious and sublime it (the Holocaust) is an obscenity.

    Having a negative foundation myth means the tree of life for Westerners is poisoned. People don't realise it but the bounds of allowable thought and the orientation of ideas are all downstream from the myth of the society. As long as our understanding of who we are is determined by this negative foundation myth the only direction is down.

    One explanation is that all cultures have a foundation myth that tells them who they are, and the foundation myth of modern Europeans is a negative one. [snip] For modern Westerners the story of WWII has become their foundation myth. It fulfills all three functions.

    That is a perspicacious comment.

    The other big one is US slavery and the American Civil War. Abraham Lincoln is held sacred, the Confederate South is the ultimate evil. It’s absolutely a sacred cow, founding myth, and the basis of a civic religion. Also racial segregation and South African racial apartheid are founding myths too.

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  39. CRISPR Gene Editing MAY Build the Übermensch of the Future

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  40. Sean says:
    @Randal

    That was also my conclusion that when pushed further implies that British were OK with Muslims, Hindu and Black immigrants as long as they did not come from continental Europe.
     
    Mass immigration from anywhere is a cost for the country it divides, the communities it destroys and the workers whose employment opportunities and bargaining power are taken from them. That said, the fewer the cultural and ethnic/racial differences the less intense the problems that are created, for a given number of immigrants.

    The only reason why opposition to Polish etc immigration has been more obvious than resistance to muslim/Asian/ME/African immigration is that the latter has been much more massively suppressed by the antiracism taboo and the cultural and legal punishments dished out to those who "notice" the latter too loudly.

    Partly the British have been told by the chattering classes there is nothing wrong with their country being inhabited by non-European races, and policed into submission, yes.

    But Poles and Romanians are in far more direct competition for the jobs such as construction. The British working class want higher wages and no zero hours contracts. The proof is the vote for Corbyn:-

    Mass immigration from the European Union has been used to “destroy” the conditions of British workers, Jeremy Corbyn said today. http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2017/07/jeremy-corbyn-wholesale-eu-immigration-has-destroyed-conditions-british

    Business want immigration without end from everywhere and together with a substantial proportion of affluent people who benefit from the immigration, business runs the show. You’ll see, the immigration of Poles ect (and non Eu too) will increase year on year. Unstoppable.

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  41. woodNfish says:

    Western Europeans should rise up and slaughter their leaders and their families to wipe out the disease of the globalism traitors.

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    "Western Europeans should rise up and slaughter their leaders and their families to wipe out the disease of the globalism traitors."

    Basically, you are saying that any Western European who opposes your ideology is a race traitor and deserves the death penalty. Do you even comprehend when you include "their families" that you are advocating jackbooting infants? Are you THAT insane?

    Listen, if you are so hell bent on stemming the tide, why don't you follow your own sick advice rather than lament about it on a blog? I get it, you are frustrated at your own impotence and seek to verbally lash out. In the end, you are not about to ruin your own existence by murdering men, women, and children.
    , @Father O'Hara
    Agreed.Start with Merkel.
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  42. Corvinus says:
    @woodNfish
    Western Europeans should rise up and slaughter their leaders and their families to wipe out the disease of the globalism traitors.

    “Western Europeans should rise up and slaughter their leaders and their families to wipe out the disease of the globalism traitors.”

    Basically, you are saying that any Western European who opposes your ideology is a race traitor and deserves the death penalty. Do you even comprehend when you include “their families” that you are advocating jackbooting infants? Are you THAT insane?

    Listen, if you are so hell bent on stemming the tide, why don’t you follow your own sick advice rather than lament about it on a blog? I get it, you are frustrated at your own impotence and seek to verbally lash out. In the end, you are not about to ruin your own existence by murdering men, women, and children.

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    In the end, you are not about to ruin your own existence by murdering men, women, and children.
     
    Hark at Billy Big Balls. As if you would you would accept the consequences of a morally : commendable killing of an evil-doing adult--such as Hitler for instance.
    , @woodNfish
    Your misplaced gutless beta moralizing is why Europeans will destroyed by the brown hoards.
    , @epochehusserl
    Western Europeans should rise up and slaughter their leaders and their families to wipe out the disease of the globalism traitors.”

    Basically, you are saying that any Western European who opposes your ideology is a race traitor and deserves the death penalty. Do you even comprehend when you include “their families” that you are advocating jackbooting infants? Are you THAT insane?
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    when the government selectively applies non-discrimination laws to some groups but not others that is cassus belli. when the government allows antifa to assault any working class white who raises a peep or attempts to organize in the defense of their own interest that is cassus belli. why do you never mention gramsci and his influence corvinus?

    Basically, you are saying that any Western European who opposes your ideology is a race traitor and deserves the death penalty. Do you even comprehend when you include “their families” that you are advocating jackbooting infants? Are you THAT insane?
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    our elite have no problems destroying white families through the family court system nor do they have any problem killing the unborn so morals are out the window at this point.

    Listen, if you are so hell bent on stemming the tide, why don’t you follow your own sick advice rather than lament about it on a blog? I get it, you are frustrated at your own impotence and seek to verbally lash out. In the end, you are not about to ruin your own existence by murdering men, women, and children.
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    Listen, if whites and men are not allowed to organize legitimately in the defense of their interests without being threatened by feminists, jews, blacks, homosexuals then will ruin our and others existence by murdering men, women and children.
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  43. SMK says: • Website
    @Randal

    Murray is gay.

    This will always make him an apologist for the current system.
     
    Indeed.

    The only exception is that those who choose a homosexual lifestyle are understandably concerned at the advance of an islamist tide that still retains the fundamentally healthy view of homosexual activity that our own former societal religion Christianity used to have, before it was defeated and corrupted by decadence and leftist infiltration of its institutions.

    A big part of the danger of allowing homosexualist leadership of the resistance to mass immigration is precisely that it results in promoting the corrupt absurdity of people declaring that approval of homosexual activity is some sort of fundamental western moral value!

    Although Murray realizes that the “death of Europe” is inevitable unless the mass invasion of Muslims and black Africans (Somalis are both) is ended, not in 5-10 years but as soon as is feasible, and that nearly all of them are expelled and sent back to African and the Middle-East, he opposes a ban on Muslim and African immigration, wouldn’t even think of calling for mass-deportations/expulsions, and is contemptuous of the people and groups who’d enact such laws and policies and thus save the UK and Western Europe.

    Despite all this -which I doubt has much to do with his being “openly homosexual”- he’s superior to virtually all heterosexuals, male and female, among the “ruling elites” of the UK and Western Europe. At least he deplores rather than exalts the mass invasion of Muslims and black Africans even if he doesn’t advocate the exigent laws and policies that would prevent the ruination of the UK and Western Europe.

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    Dutch socialist politician Van Bommel states that as long as the EU forces us to allow unrestricted immigration we can do nothing.
    Except disobey governments.
    The mayor of Calais refuses to give migrants showers and toilets.
    She also refuses the migrant industry to operate.
    The 10.000 migrant jungle of Calais she does not want again, at present there are some 350 migrants again.
    The French government desperately tries to find temporary locations for them, nobody, except now the Calais mayor makes it clear that as long as we provide these people with shelter and food, they will continue coming.
    The fine of 100 euro day for Calais has been budgeted.

    Warnings exist galore:

    Thilo Sarrazin, 'Deutschland schafft sich ab, Wie wir unser Land aufs Spiel setzen', München 2010

    Eric Zemmour, 'Le Suicide Francais', 2014 Paris

    Paul Scheffer, 'Die Eingewanderten, Toleranz in einer grensenlosen Welt, München 2008 (Het land van aankomst, 2007)
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  44. @Authenticjazzman
    I can vividly recall an Autobahn rest area three decades ago which had become a gay hook-up spot with at times a hundred cars stopped and the guys, total strangers, out in the woods, screwing each other in the ass and every blowing every else, AIDS be damned

    So apparently you think society had already degenerated to this level, and these individuals were simply acting out of the norm.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society members since 1973, airborne qualified US Army Vet and pro Jazz musician

    PS I believe gays are born gay.

    gays are born gay; it part of the human condition. your description of a gay bar and hijinks in the woods can easily be switched to a hetero bar.
    you’re stuck in the fifties when a niggas knew their place and homos stayed in the closet.
    time to fast-forward into modernity.

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    gays are born gay; it part of the human condition.

    One of the few secure pieces of knowledge about homosexuality is that it is not heritable in the manner of eye color. (See, for example, discordance among identical twins)

    your description of a gay bar and hijinks in the woods can easily be switched to a hetero bar.

    Let go of his leg.


    you’re stuck in the fifties when a niggas knew their place and homos stayed in the closet. time to fast-forward into modernity.

    "Modernity" is a weasel word for what we used to call 'decadence'.

    , @Authenticjazzman
    " You're stuck in the fifties when niggas knew their place"

    Listen buddy, I am a jazz performer and I have played in umpteen bands with black musicians, and between marriages I shared an apartment with a black musician friend, a drummer, for twelve years, so don't try and pull the "racist" card on myself as you liberals are the ones who invented it.

    And as far as hetero bars are concerned : I have been in a zillion hetero bars and have yet to see one where the hetero guys are in the cellar or parking lot screwing in like humankind gone mad

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" Society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army Vet, and pro Jazz musician..
    , @Delinquent Snail
    I watched a TEDX talk awhile back. It was discussing gays in society and how its probably an evolutionary quirk to help keep the populations stable. If all men where straight, it would lead to overpopulation. If all men were striaght, in generations where there are more men born then women, it would lead to a shortage of "caregiver
    , @Ace
    Male homosexuals are given to sex in showers with 10 other men, sex in toilets, and partners in the hundreds, sometimes over a thousand. As Joe Sobran observed, they are given to playing around in nature's sewer system with health problems you would expect. They are also fond of public cavorting in jock straps, dresses, and high-end clothing from Bikers-R-Us replete with spiked green or pink hair and lipstick. Ugh doesn't begin to cover it.

    If accepting that is what modernity is all about I'll pass if I may. Homosexuals dont have to go back in the closet. It would be pleasant, however, to go back to the days when sodomy wasn't a sacrament and homosexuals didn't demand that we worship their wonderfulness. Gay is just sad.

    I also know of no heterosexual behavior that comes close, unless it's discrete stuff also best kept private.
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  45. Sean says:
    @Corvinus
    "Western Europeans should rise up and slaughter their leaders and their families to wipe out the disease of the globalism traitors."

    Basically, you are saying that any Western European who opposes your ideology is a race traitor and deserves the death penalty. Do you even comprehend when you include "their families" that you are advocating jackbooting infants? Are you THAT insane?

    Listen, if you are so hell bent on stemming the tide, why don't you follow your own sick advice rather than lament about it on a blog? I get it, you are frustrated at your own impotence and seek to verbally lash out. In the end, you are not about to ruin your own existence by murdering men, women, and children.

    In the end, you are not about to ruin your own existence by murdering men, women, and children.

    Hark at Billy Big Balls. As if you would you would accept the consequences of a morally : commendable killing of an evil-doing adult–such as Hitler for instance.

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    "As if you would you would accept the consequences of a morally : commendable killing of an evil-doing adult–such as Hitler for instance."

    So Western European leaders are akin to Hitler? Thanks, Priss Factor.
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  46. Tipsy says:
    @Emblematic
    John Derbyshire wonders why Europeans are so susceptible to guilt. One explanation is that all cultures have a foundation myth that tells them who they are, and the foundation myth of modern Europeans is a negative one.

    How do you recognise a foundation myth? It fulfils three functions.

    1)It explains the origin and structure of the world (and society).
    2)It defines ultimate good and evil (and from those definitions are derived the values that are used to justify the holding of power).
    3)It determines what is held sacred in that society.

    For modern Westerners the story of WWII has become their foundation myth. It fulfils all three functions.

    1)We live in the 'Post-War World'. The lines on the map, the institutions, the sense of what era we live in, all arise from the starting point of WWII.

    2)Ultimate evil is Nazis. Ultimate good is opposing Nazis. The values derived from these definitions are anti-racism, equality, diversity, anti-nationalism and so on.

    3)The only thing that is held sacred, that cannot be denied or mocked in the contemporary West, is the Holocaust.

    The problem is that all three functions are backwards or negative.

    Instead of the origin event being one of fertility and new life, it was a conflagration of death and destruction.

    Instead of ultimate good taking the central position in the story that slot is occupied by ultimate evil. Everyone knows that Adolf Hitler, the personification of evil, holds the centre point of the WWII story.

    Instead of that which is held sacred being something mysterious and sublime it (the Holocaust) is an obscenity.

    Having a negative foundation myth means the tree of life for Westerners is poisoned. People don't realise it but the bounds of allowable thought and the orientation of ideas are all downstream from the myth of the society. As long as our understanding of who we are is determined by this negative foundation myth the only direction is down.

    Even our art, particularly movies, seem to be centered around either WWII, the Noble and Tragic American Indian, and the horrors of slavery and the American South. All negative foundational myths.

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    I used to live and breathe WWII. Now all that interests me is individual accounts. The malevolence and conniving of Churchill and Roosevelt, the kangaroo Nuremberg court, the mistreatment of Poland and Polish troops, Eisenhower's Other Losses, Operation Keelhaul, the criminal malfeasance surrounding Pearl Harbor, and the chest beating about how we won the war when the Russians bore the brunt of the German attack are disgusting.

    The new media myth that is forming like a new Pacific island is miscegination (and homosexuality) as the new normal. God bless the choices people make to find their slice of happiness in this life but this is being sold with all the resources if modern marketing behind it. If anyone still wonders whether this is all spontaneous or the result of human agency, look no further than this.
    , @Dave Bowman
    And ALL key cultural LIES promoted by international organised Jewry, with the sole goal to undermine, weaken, corrupt and destroy White society by pathological self-hating moral guilt for atrocities which never happened.
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  47. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Two links where speculations and thoughts on the End of Europe (as seen by Hegel when he pondered the Battle of Jena which took place in 1806) are found:

    1. https://www.ribbonfarm.com/2016/06/23/the-principia-misanthropica/

    2. http://www.cambridge.org/it/academic/subjects/philosophy/nineteenth-century-philosophy/hegel-end-history-and-future?format=AR&isbn=9781139990950#LmZdcL8tXmhBdUGz.97

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  48. Corvinus says:
    @Sean

    In the end, you are not about to ruin your own existence by murdering men, women, and children.
     
    Hark at Billy Big Balls. As if you would you would accept the consequences of a morally : commendable killing of an evil-doing adult--such as Hitler for instance.

    “As if you would you would accept the consequences of a morally : commendable killing of an evil-doing adult–such as Hitler for instance.”

    So Western European leaders are akin to Hitler? Thanks, Priss Factor.

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  49. Art Deco says:
    @Lawrence Fitton
    gays are born gay; it part of the human condition. your description of a gay bar and hijinks in the woods can easily be switched to a hetero bar.
    you're stuck in the fifties when a niggas knew their place and homos stayed in the closet.
    time to fast-forward into modernity.

    gays are born gay; it part of the human condition.

    One of the few secure pieces of knowledge about homosexuality is that it is not heritable in the manner of eye color. (See, for example, discordance among identical twins)

    your description of a gay bar and hijinks in the woods can easily be switched to a hetero bar.

    Let go of his leg.

    you’re stuck in the fifties when a niggas knew their place and homos stayed in the closet. time to fast-forward into modernity.

    “Modernity” is a weasel word for what we used to call ‘decadence’.

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    "One of the few secure pieces of knowledge about homosexuality is that it is not heritable in the manner of eye color."

    Well, to the extent that personal reports are ever secure sources of knowledge.

    But you seem to equate "heritable" with inborn. That is a mistake.

    I guess you're not familiar with Gregory Cochran's "gay germ" theory, for example?

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  50. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Bragadocious
    Talking to Europeans, I don't get the sense that they're racked with guilt. They're actually full of anger, not at their own elites, but at America, for not eagerly embracing their narratives. If you bring up the Islam thing, and the crime, they roll their eyes like you're some kind of Fox News kool-aid drinker. I've actually had Swedes tell me to my face that news about Muslim crime there is entirely made up. Then they'll change the subject to gun crime in Chicago. These are people who are fully invested in their own dispossession, and I have no sympathy for them. They deserve what they get.

    So true. The progressives are far too thick on the ground in Western Europe.

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  51. @Bill Jones
    Oddly enough, I discovered only yesterday that I've bought this book twice. A Kindle edition and the on Saturday Amazon delivered the hardback.

    I guess I'm going to have to read it.

    The audio edition is good too, though not read by the author (who has a faint but oddly charming lisp – no homo.) The narrator has lively enough prosody to keep you engaged without overselling the drama.

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  52. Daniel H says:
    @Lawrence Fitton
    a gay man does not contribute to the degradation of society, but a neocon does.

    >>>a gay man does not contribute to the degradation of society, but a neocon does.

    You are right. The neocons have caused more destruction to this country than all the fairies in New York and San Francisco put together, and that’s accounting for the destruction of innocent lives through AIDS.

    We can survive the fairies, we can’t survive the reign of the neocons.

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  53. Daniel H says:
    @David
    OT, It's been about two months since the last terror attack in a Western country. There was such a spate of them in the Spring, I wonder if they are coordinated after all.

    >>OT, It’s been about two months since the last terror attack in a Western country. There was such a spate of them in the Spring, I wonder if they are coordinated after all.

    What are you talking about? There were two Muslim terrorist attacks in Germany in the past week alone. One in Hamburg where an Allah Akbar went on a stabbing spree, killed one and wounded nine. Two days later an Allah Akbar went into a nightclub (I forget the city, just google it), shot up the place and killed two people. Don’t leave aside the plot that the Australian police busted just yesterday where a gang of Allah Akbars were planning to blow up an airplane.

    Allah Akbar terrorist attacks have become so common that we barely note them anymore.

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    You are right. Thanks. Maybe it's the suppression that's coordinated.
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  54. @Anonymous

    What all the wise men promised has not happened, and what all the damned fools said would happen has come to pass.
     
    What he said.

    Good show, Darby! Well-written and properly discursive.

    Plus, you avoided temptation of "wrought", and deployed the correct past participle.

    A modestly-restrained tendency to start sentences with "but" has its uses, one being it is an "alert" word, informing the reader that contrast approaches, just as "plus" informs the reader that additional useful, perhaps subjective information follows.

    Okay, Grammar Girl. You done now?

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    Okay, Grammar Girl. You done now?
     
    Okay, Madonna, are you done sucking on Alex, and minding other people's business? ... "Now" being redundant.
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  55. He says there was “no plan”. This is the line he was given his think-tank to deliver. An exercise in wasted rage. Such are almost all our leaders. Murray is yet another establishment whore.

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  56. Haven’t anyone heard the term, “Don’t feed the animals”?

    If you feed pigeons, raccoon, squirrels, ducks, and etc, they keep coming and coming and coming. And more and more. It’s like zombies going where the humans are.
    To feed.

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    Point very well made, PF.

    Here's one where the other team wins.

    Warning; definitely not for children or those with weak hearts or minds.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16fJBCrhmzA
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  57. helena says:

    I’d be interested to know the accurate size of populations of Europeans across the globe – European countries, N and S America, Africa, OZ/NZ. And figures for different heritages – French, Germanic, anglo, irish/celt, Scandi etc. A peaceful form of ethnic interestism might be to start collecting these figures in order to create a data source eg by crowd researching.

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  58. https://kenfm.de/soros-und-merkel-zum-neuen-jahr/

    Doch so lange nicht deutlich erkennbar ist, dass Trump den Anti-Russlandkurs seines Vorgänger fortführt, gilt Soros Sorge der Europäischen Union. Die Union sieht er offenkundig als eine Auffangstation für sein Verständnis von Demokratie: „Ich war von Beginn ein leidenschaftlicher Befürworter der Europäischen Union. Ich betrachtete sie als die Verkörperung der Idee einer offenen Gesellschaft.“

    Soros wants the EU as replacement of the still existing countries and cultures.
    He is powerful enough to force Hungary to change laws making it possible to close Soros’ Open University.
    His think tank ‘advises’ Merkel on immigration.
    This think tank developed the proposition that anyone arriving in Italy from Africa should have his asylum application processed in within four weeks, and then be settled somewhere in the EU.
    Ockam’s Razor leads me to the theory that Soros wants to destroy all European cultures.

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  59. @SMK
    Although Murray realizes that the "death of Europe" is inevitable unless the mass invasion of Muslims and black Africans (Somalis are both) is ended, not in 5-10 years but as soon as is feasible, and that nearly all of them are expelled and sent back to African and the Middle-East, he opposes a ban on Muslim and African immigration, wouldn't even think of calling for mass-deportations/expulsions, and is contemptuous of the people and groups who'd enact such laws and policies and thus save the UK and Western Europe.

    Despite all this -which I doubt has much to do with his being "openly homosexual"- he's superior to virtually all heterosexuals, male and female, among the "ruling elites" of the UK and Western Europe. At least he deplores rather than exalts the mass invasion of Muslims and black Africans even if he doesn't advocate the exigent laws and policies that would prevent the ruination of the UK and Western Europe.

    Dutch socialist politician Van Bommel states that as long as the EU forces us to allow unrestricted immigration we can do nothing.
    Except disobey governments.
    The mayor of Calais refuses to give migrants showers and toilets.
    She also refuses the migrant industry to operate.
    The 10.000 migrant jungle of Calais she does not want again, at present there are some 350 migrants again.
    The French government desperately tries to find temporary locations for them, nobody, except now the Calais mayor makes it clear that as long as we provide these people with shelter and food, they will continue coming.
    The fine of 100 euro day for Calais has been budgeted.

    Warnings exist galore:

    Thilo Sarrazin, ‘Deutschland schafft sich ab, Wie wir unser Land aufs Spiel setzen’, München 2010

    Eric Zemmour, ‘Le Suicide Francais’, 2014 Paris

    Paul Scheffer, ‘Die Eingewanderten, Toleranz in einer grensenlosen Welt, München 2008 (Het land van aankomst, 2007)

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  60. Google is now Evil pure and simple.

    This Onion article sounds so much like real news.

    http://www.theonion.com/article/college-encourages-lively-exchange-of-idea-38496

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  61. Tremdal says:

    Actually, as I recall the Bi- (!) Colored Python Rock Snake was a helpful companion on the Limpopo.

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  62. @Emblematic
    John Derbyshire wonders why Europeans are so susceptible to guilt. One explanation is that all cultures have a foundation myth that tells them who they are, and the foundation myth of modern Europeans is a negative one.

    How do you recognise a foundation myth? It fulfils three functions.

    1)It explains the origin and structure of the world (and society).
    2)It defines ultimate good and evil (and from those definitions are derived the values that are used to justify the holding of power).
    3)It determines what is held sacred in that society.

    For modern Westerners the story of WWII has become their foundation myth. It fulfils all three functions.

    1)We live in the 'Post-War World'. The lines on the map, the institutions, the sense of what era we live in, all arise from the starting point of WWII.

    2)Ultimate evil is Nazis. Ultimate good is opposing Nazis. The values derived from these definitions are anti-racism, equality, diversity, anti-nationalism and so on.

    3)The only thing that is held sacred, that cannot be denied or mocked in the contemporary West, is the Holocaust.

    The problem is that all three functions are backwards or negative.

    Instead of the origin event being one of fertility and new life, it was a conflagration of death and destruction.

    Instead of ultimate good taking the central position in the story that slot is occupied by ultimate evil. Everyone knows that Adolf Hitler, the personification of evil, holds the centre point of the WWII story.

    Instead of that which is held sacred being something mysterious and sublime it (the Holocaust) is an obscenity.

    Having a negative foundation myth means the tree of life for Westerners is poisoned. People don't realise it but the bounds of allowable thought and the orientation of ideas are all downstream from the myth of the society. As long as our understanding of who we are is determined by this negative foundation myth the only direction is down.

    The characterization of the WWII generation as “the greatest generation,” is also consistent with the notion of a foundational myth. There were giants in the earth in those days!

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    No, it's consistent with a frank assessment of those born after 1927 (and, especially, those born after 1938).
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  63. Anonym says:

    Never ascribe to malice what can be explained by stupidity

    - A saying that was cooked up by the malicious and embraced by the stupid.

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  64. I’m glad you’ve come across the eloquent Douglas Murray whom I met last year in an organised tour of the Muslim areas of Paris, Berlin and Stockholm where he was due to be a speaker at a separate conference on our last day. (I later discovered that one of my oldest English friends had been his mentor when he decided to write “Bosey” in his gap year).

    I would commend your persuading Ron to publish some of his articles. I presume that might requore evidence th

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  65. that [Ron's software and my phone still enaged in a domestic or maybe it's digital road rage] that Douglas was no longer a neo-con if he ever really was. Pèrhaps you can vounteer to read the suspect book and report to UR readers.

    His deputy directorshop of the Henry Jackson Society in the UK no doubt casts some illumination too..

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  66. Ace says:
    @Emblematic
    John Derbyshire wonders why Europeans are so susceptible to guilt. One explanation is that all cultures have a foundation myth that tells them who they are, and the foundation myth of modern Europeans is a negative one.

    How do you recognise a foundation myth? It fulfils three functions.

    1)It explains the origin and structure of the world (and society).
    2)It defines ultimate good and evil (and from those definitions are derived the values that are used to justify the holding of power).
    3)It determines what is held sacred in that society.

    For modern Westerners the story of WWII has become their foundation myth. It fulfils all three functions.

    1)We live in the 'Post-War World'. The lines on the map, the institutions, the sense of what era we live in, all arise from the starting point of WWII.

    2)Ultimate evil is Nazis. Ultimate good is opposing Nazis. The values derived from these definitions are anti-racism, equality, diversity, anti-nationalism and so on.

    3)The only thing that is held sacred, that cannot be denied or mocked in the contemporary West, is the Holocaust.

    The problem is that all three functions are backwards or negative.

    Instead of the origin event being one of fertility and new life, it was a conflagration of death and destruction.

    Instead of ultimate good taking the central position in the story that slot is occupied by ultimate evil. Everyone knows that Adolf Hitler, the personification of evil, holds the centre point of the WWII story.

    Instead of that which is held sacred being something mysterious and sublime it (the Holocaust) is an obscenity.

    Having a negative foundation myth means the tree of life for Westerners is poisoned. People don't realise it but the bounds of allowable thought and the orientation of ideas are all downstream from the myth of the society. As long as our understanding of who we are is determined by this negative foundation myth the only direction is down.

    An extraordinary comment.

    There was a 12-year period in human history that is now the Western lodestar. Twelve years out of, what, 15,000 years of human history. Not the Napoleonic Wars, not the Thirty Years War, not the fall of Rome or Constantinople, not the Muslim catastrophe, not the PRC invasion of Tibet, not the Japanese invasion of China, not the Soviet and Maoist savagery, not the U.S. War Between the States, not the Taiping Rebellion. No. It’s Hitler, Hitler, Hitler ad astra. The no. one goal of any decent Westerner is to be not-Nazi.

    Twelve years! The New Renaissance.

    The primary competitor doctrine is to be not-Christan. The Inquisition is distilled Christian malevolence and the Crusades unalloyed Christian militarism and state murder stripped bare. The settling of North America, also a Christian enterprise entailing the death of millions. About two millennia of baked-in-the-cake Christian anti-Semitism the less said the better. Inexplicable.

    The next competitor doctrine is to be not-white.

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  67. Ace says:
    @Tipsy
    Even our art, particularly movies, seem to be centered around either WWII, the Noble and Tragic American Indian, and the horrors of slavery and the American South. All negative foundational myths.

    I used to live and breathe WWII. Now all that interests me is individual accounts. The malevolence and conniving of Churchill and Roosevelt, the kangaroo Nuremberg court, the mistreatment of Poland and Polish troops, Eisenhower’s Other Losses, Operation Keelhaul, the criminal malfeasance surrounding Pearl Harbor, and the chest beating about how we won the war when the Russians bore the brunt of the German attack are disgusting.

    The new media myth that is forming like a new Pacific island is miscegination (and homosexuality) as the new normal. God bless the choices people make to find their slice of happiness in this life but this is being sold with all the resources if modern marketing behind it. If anyone still wonders whether this is all spontaneous or the result of human agency, look no further than this.

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  68. Ace says:
    @Matra
    The editor of that newspaper was threatened with prosecution by no less than the Norwegian Prime Minister.

    That Norwegian Prime Minister, Jens Stoltenberg, just happens to be the current General Secretary of NATO.

    I love it!

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  69. Ace says:
    @JackOH
    John, thanks. Gave your piece a quick eye-roll. Morning coffee's kicking in. I hand-grind from whole bean coffee, just ordinary house brand stuff from Aldi, or Eight O'clock brand, now owned by Tata, I think, one of those Indian meganationals that are quietly kicking our asses. Nothing bogusly artisanal about hand-grinding coffee. It's just that for the price of 30 seconds worth of hand-cranking, I get a noticeably better cup of coffee.

    What are we really bitching about on Unz? Most of us here have a full belly and some folding money. Few, maybe none of us, are working 72 hours a week and more in wage slavery. We have TV and NASCAR, and, by gosh, Amazon.

    I'll say our political gripe is that our overlords won't leave us alone to do our own time on this planet, and to enjoy the benefits of shared values within communities of civic comeliness ("comeliness"-a good old-fashioned word). Instead, our masters artificially elevate fringes and fringe philosophies, lending those fringes undue moral valence and giving them outright and unearned economic benefits. Purpose? Control of us.

    So the guy who dutifully mows his lawn on Saturdays is repeatedly trashed, while the guy with his clunker up on blocks in the front yard is politically courted. No wonder we're pissed. (Thanks for allowing this micro-rant.)

    I love my clunker.

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  70. @Lawrence Fitton
    gays are born gay; it part of the human condition. your description of a gay bar and hijinks in the woods can easily be switched to a hetero bar.
    you're stuck in the fifties when a niggas knew their place and homos stayed in the closet.
    time to fast-forward into modernity.

    ” You’re stuck in the fifties when niggas knew their place”

    Listen buddy, I am a jazz performer and I have played in umpteen bands with black musicians, and between marriages I shared an apartment with a black musician friend, a drummer, for twelve years, so don’t try and pull the “racist” card on myself as you liberals are the ones who invented it.

    And as far as hetero bars are concerned : I have been in a zillion hetero bars and have yet to see one where the hetero guys are in the cellar or parking lot screwing in like humankind gone mad

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” Society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army Vet, and pro Jazz musician..

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  71. LondonBob says:

    I agree with Kevin MacDonald’s argument, a small cohesive, wildly influential, minority can enact a series of policies before the majority have a clue what is going on.

    ‘Will you find out who is responsible for this extraordinary action?’
    Oliver Stanley, M.P., June 1948.

    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2015/07/12/jews-the-ss-empire-windrush-and-the-origins-of-multicultural-britain/

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  72. @Randal

    But the unaddressed bottom line in all of this pandemonia is WHO is actually setting the political/societal tone for all of this madness, the answer being as un-PC as one could possibly get, and that being : Lunatic leftist ” green” Females all over Europe, starting with Germany and Sweden.
     
    The hard truth is that among the most powerful forces pushing mass immigration in both Europe and in the US are the Christian churches. They have been as thoroughly penetrated by multiculturalist pro-immigration lefties as they have by homosexual behaviour advocates (often the same people, obviously).

    ” The hard truth is that among the most powerful forces pushing mass immigration in both Europe and the US are the Christian churces” . No argument from me, however who sets the political tone within these institutions : Leftist women, and the clergy who agree with them, who go along with them.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army vet, and pro Jazz musician.

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  73. Ace says:
    @anon
    In terms of root causes, the current EU situation was made much worse by the conflation of economic migration with refugee status.

    Post WW 2, the notion of dealing humanely with refugees is appealing. After all, it is impossible to blame refugees for leaving their home when it has become a war zone. And providing temporary aid in the form of food, shelter, etc. seems reasonable.

    We all know that it turned into a disaster. Any attempt to turn things around would do well to focus on the most legitimate claims of refugees and see that they are met without migration. And then close the gate.

    And repatriate.

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  74. woodNfish says:
    @Corvinus
    "Western Europeans should rise up and slaughter their leaders and their families to wipe out the disease of the globalism traitors."

    Basically, you are saying that any Western European who opposes your ideology is a race traitor and deserves the death penalty. Do you even comprehend when you include "their families" that you are advocating jackbooting infants? Are you THAT insane?

    Listen, if you are so hell bent on stemming the tide, why don't you follow your own sick advice rather than lament about it on a blog? I get it, you are frustrated at your own impotence and seek to verbally lash out. In the end, you are not about to ruin your own existence by murdering men, women, and children.

    Your misplaced gutless beta moralizing is why Europeans will destroyed by the brown hoards.

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    "Your misplaced gutless beta moralizing is why Europeans will destroyed by the brown hoards."

    The term "beta", like "cuck", observably means nothing to me in the grand scheme of things. If you are convinced of this impending doom, why don't you take your own advice? You won't, thankfully, because your own impotence gets in the way. You're merely blowing off some steam.
    , @Anonymous

    Your misplaced gutless beta moralizing is why Europeans will destroyed by the brown hoards.
     
    While I agree with the sentiment, I will always wonder why a presumably intelligent individual never learned the difference between "hoard" and "horde".

    Baffles the imagination.
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  75. Corvinus says:
    @woodNfish
    Your misplaced gutless beta moralizing is why Europeans will destroyed by the brown hoards.

    “Your misplaced gutless beta moralizing is why Europeans will destroyed by the brown hoards.”

    The term “beta”, like “cuck”, observably means nothing to me in the grand scheme of things. If you are convinced of this impending doom, why don’t you take your own advice? You won’t, thankfully, because your own impotence gets in the way. You’re merely blowing off some steam.

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  76. @Priss Factor
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5ZTXboRSdE

    Haven't anyone heard the term, "Don't feed the animals"?

    If you feed pigeons, raccoon, squirrels, ducks, and etc, they keep coming and coming and coming. And more and more. It's like zombies going where the humans are.
    To feed.

    https://youtu.be/GTpbJCVNHro?t=5m5s

    https://youtu.be/_Fzph79S7CU?t=1m22s

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4s6GnDSjgU

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB9uzMjiYSQ

    Point very well made, PF.

    Here’s one where the other team wins.

    Warning; definitely not for children or those with weak hearts or minds.

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    Jesus Christ that is the worst thing I've seen in my life. What is the film for or about - what does the narrative say, couldn't anyone have done something, like drive their car at the lions? I feel sick.
    , @peterAUS
    Puzzling: enough presence of mind to record the event....but not enough to TRY to rev/drive/rev a car/cars into the lions/around the victim.......?
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  77. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Don’t waste your time arguing with that Corvinus scum. He’s a worthless troll–only here to push his own agenda. I get the feeling that he may be on someone’s payroll, but could be wrong.

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    Don’t waste your time arguing with that Corvinus scum. He’s a worthless troll–only here to push his own agenda. I get the feeling that he may be on someone’s payroll, but could be wrong.
     
    Don't be ridiculous. Neither Israel nor Fundies would pay for blather like that.

    Venezuelans maybe? (That's a little humor.)
    , @Bel Riose
    Couldn't agree more.

    Watching that lion-eats-tourist video, I couldn't help imagining that Corvinus was...well...you get my drift.
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  78. Dr. X says:

    An interesting question is why Europeans are so susceptible to this “moral intoxicant.” Plenty of other peoples—well-nigh all, I think—have historical crimes on their record, but don’t go around lamenting the fact.

    The Jews sure don’t — they celebrate the slaughter of their enemies on religious holidays like Purim and Passover.

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    Which is, of course, because it's one rule for Jews - and a different rule for everyone else. Just a standard perfect example of moral-free, hypocritical, hair-splitting Talmudic synagogue-of-Satan evil at its most powerful and pernicious.

    "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees. You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside, but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and every sort of unclean thing" - Matthew Ch. 23, v. 27
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  79. helena says:
    @ThreeCranes
    Point very well made, PF.

    Here's one where the other team wins.

    Warning; definitely not for children or those with weak hearts or minds.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16fJBCrhmzA

    Jesus Christ that is the worst thing I’ve seen in my life. What is the film for or about – what does the narrative say, couldn’t anyone have done something, like drive their car at the lions? I feel sick.

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    "What is the film for or about"

    The film is about the wild world out there; the world that the human race was born into and at one time, well adapted to.

    City dwellers grow up in a proverbial hot house. Death=Food=Death=Food is an abstraction to them.

    Urbanites regard real hunters as untouchables but leave-no-trace picture taking is virtuous.

    The lion doesn't share this prejudice. She doesn't care what your motives are. You could be a card-carrying member of the Sierra Club or the NRA.

    You both taste great.
    , @another fred
    I saw an article about a similar incident a few years ago. It had comments from an African big game guide who said this happens quite often, it just rarely gets filmed. People watch nature films on TV and fail to appreciate what wild animals are really all about.

    Kind of like people who romanticize gangsters and thugs.
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  80. Danton says:

    I traveled widely in France earlier this summer–Paris, Loire Valley, Dordogne, Bordeaux, etc. I speak French relatively well, my wife even better. Overall, I came away fairly optimistic about France, notwithstanding the endless predictions of doom one reads in websites such as this. Thanks to its disastrous economy, France has not been inundated with immigrants (in recent years). Outside the infamous exurbs of Paris, North Africans are better integrated into French culture than Hispanics here. Also, France is still a very proud country, proud of her language, culture and history. Actually, that too is a contrast with the US. I know I’m supposed to be proud to be an American, but I’m not sure what that is supposed to mean.

    Anyhow, I’d be interested if others had a similar or different take on France.

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    Just an annecdote, but a young French woman I know, married to an American and living in America, engaged in some serious virtue signaling on Facebook by idiotically comparing Trump's wall to the Berlin Wall and intimating that all borders were evil. She lives in an overwhelmingly white suburb though.

    I'm not optimistic about France because it is historically very socialistic and North Africans didn't treat the French too well when they were in North Africa. When the percentages are the same, I think the French will be totally dispossessed. Hopefully, I am wrong though.

    The most hope I see in Western Europe would either be Ireland or Spain. Ireland because they were a colony and not an empire. Spain because they have a lot of history with Islam and a better record than Greece. Neither is a safe bet though. Not even the East, though I'd place my bet there.
    , @Seamus Padraig
    For all its problems, France is still not quite as far gone as the US is. At least they remain majority white for several more generations.
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  81. Wally says: • Website
    @Emblematic
    John Derbyshire wonders why Europeans are so susceptible to guilt. One explanation is that all cultures have a foundation myth that tells them who they are, and the foundation myth of modern Europeans is a negative one.

    How do you recognise a foundation myth? It fulfils three functions.

    1)It explains the origin and structure of the world (and society).
    2)It defines ultimate good and evil (and from those definitions are derived the values that are used to justify the holding of power).
    3)It determines what is held sacred in that society.

    For modern Westerners the story of WWII has become their foundation myth. It fulfils all three functions.

    1)We live in the 'Post-War World'. The lines on the map, the institutions, the sense of what era we live in, all arise from the starting point of WWII.

    2)Ultimate evil is Nazis. Ultimate good is opposing Nazis. The values derived from these definitions are anti-racism, equality, diversity, anti-nationalism and so on.

    3)The only thing that is held sacred, that cannot be denied or mocked in the contemporary West, is the Holocaust.

    The problem is that all three functions are backwards or negative.

    Instead of the origin event being one of fertility and new life, it was a conflagration of death and destruction.

    Instead of ultimate good taking the central position in the story that slot is occupied by ultimate evil. Everyone knows that Adolf Hitler, the personification of evil, holds the centre point of the WWII story.

    Instead of that which is held sacred being something mysterious and sublime it (the Holocaust) is an obscenity.

    Having a negative foundation myth means the tree of life for Westerners is poisoned. People don't realise it but the bounds of allowable thought and the orientation of ideas are all downstream from the myth of the society. As long as our understanding of who we are is determined by this negative foundation myth the only direction is down.

    The ultimate foundational myth is the impossible & downright laughable ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’.

    And now that people are realizing the truth about it, Jews demand suppression of free speech.

    16 European countries imprison people who dare to scrutinize the scam.

    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:

    http://codoh.com

    No name calling, level playing field debate here:

    http://forum.codoh.com

    “Some stories are true that never happened.”

    - Elie Wiesel

    “Alone the fact that one may not question the Jewish “holocaust” and that Jewish pressure has inflicted laws on democratic societies to prevent questions—while incessant promotion and indoctrination of the same averredly incontestable ‘holocaust’ occur—gives the game away. It proves that it must be a lie. Why else would one not be allowed to question it? Because it might offend the “survivors”? Because it “dishonors the dead”? Hardly sufficient reason to outlaw discussion. No, because the exposure of this leading lie might precipitate questions about so many other lies and cause the whole ramshackle fabrication to crumble.”

    - Gerard Menuhin / righteous Revisionist Jew, son of famous violinist

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    "16 European countries imprison people who dare to scrutinize the scam."

    Im aware of a few, uk, france, germany. What are the others?

    Its complete bullshit that its allowed to happen in the first place. Not the holocaust, the fact that asking questions about it can ruin your life.
    , @LauraMR
    I've always been confused over this issue.

    Shouldn't neo-Nazis and acolytes be proud of the Holocaust instead of deny it?
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  82. Art Deco says:
    @Diversity Heretic
    The characterization of the WWII generation as "the greatest generation," is also consistent with the notion of a foundational myth. There were giants in the earth in those days!

    No, it’s consistent with a frank assessment of those born after 1927 (and, especially, those born after 1938).

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  83. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Gleimhart Mantooso
    Okay, Grammar Girl. You done now?

    Okay, Grammar Girl. You done now?

    Okay, Madonna, are you done sucking on Alex, and minding other people’s business? … “Now” being redundant.

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  84. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Anonymous
    Don't waste your time arguing with that Corvinus scum. He's a worthless troll--only here to push his own agenda. I get the feeling that he may be on someone's payroll, but could be wrong.

    Don’t waste your time arguing with that Corvinus scum. He’s a worthless troll–only here to push his own agenda. I get the feeling that he may be on someone’s payroll, but could be wrong.

    Don’t be ridiculous. Neither Israel nor Fundies would pay for blather like that.

    Venezuelans maybe? (That’s a little humor.)

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  85. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @woodNfish
    Your misplaced gutless beta moralizing is why Europeans will destroyed by the brown hoards.

    Your misplaced gutless beta moralizing is why Europeans will destroyed by the brown hoards.

    While I agree with the sentiment, I will always wonder why a presumably intelligent individual never learned the difference between “hoard” and “horde”.

    Baffles the imagination.

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  86. David says:
    @Daniel H
    >>OT, It’s been about two months since the last terror attack in a Western country. There was such a spate of them in the Spring, I wonder if they are coordinated after all.

    What are you talking about? There were two Muslim terrorist attacks in Germany in the past week alone. One in Hamburg where an Allah Akbar went on a stabbing spree, killed one and wounded nine. Two days later an Allah Akbar went into a nightclub (I forget the city, just google it), shot up the place and killed two people. Don't leave aside the plot that the Australian police busted just yesterday where a gang of Allah Akbars were planning to blow up an airplane.

    Allah Akbar terrorist attacks have become so common that we barely note them anymore.

    You are right. Thanks. Maybe it’s the suppression that’s coordinated.

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  87. vinteuil says:
    @Art Deco
    gays are born gay; it part of the human condition.

    One of the few secure pieces of knowledge about homosexuality is that it is not heritable in the manner of eye color. (See, for example, discordance among identical twins)

    your description of a gay bar and hijinks in the woods can easily be switched to a hetero bar.

    Let go of his leg.


    you’re stuck in the fifties when a niggas knew their place and homos stayed in the closet. time to fast-forward into modernity.

    "Modernity" is a weasel word for what we used to call 'decadence'.

    “One of the few secure pieces of knowledge about homosexuality is that it is not heritable in the manner of eye color.”

    Well, to the extent that personal reports are ever secure sources of knowledge.

    But you seem to equate “heritable” with inborn. That is a mistake.

    I guess you’re not familiar with Gregory Cochran’s “gay germ” theory, for example?

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    I guess you’re not familiar with Gregory Cochran’s “gay germ” theory, for example?

    I'm familiar with such speculations. They've been in the general audience literature for about 15 years. The original poster made a categorical statement, not a speculation. As for the twin studies, one set consisted of self-identified homosexuals reporting on their (identical) twin brother. The number of homosexual sets did not exceed the number of discordant sets. As for your in vitro exposure hypothesis, the agent in question must be pretty hit-and-miss, or you'd see high levels of concordance for fraternal twin sets, which you do not see.

    Or, maybe you have a multicausal explanation which is not predominantly biological, something the unzosphere find it difficult to imagine, to be sure.
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  88. @helena
    Jesus Christ that is the worst thing I've seen in my life. What is the film for or about - what does the narrative say, couldn't anyone have done something, like drive their car at the lions? I feel sick.

    “What is the film for or about”

    The film is about the wild world out there; the world that the human race was born into and at one time, well adapted to.

    City dwellers grow up in a proverbial hot house. Death=Food=Death=Food is an abstraction to them.

    Urbanites regard real hunters as untouchables but leave-no-trace picture taking is virtuous.

    The lion doesn’t share this prejudice. She doesn’t care what your motives are. You could be a card-carrying member of the Sierra Club or the NRA.

    You both taste great.

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  89. songbird says:
    @Danton
    I traveled widely in France earlier this summer--Paris, Loire Valley, Dordogne, Bordeaux, etc. I speak French relatively well, my wife even better. Overall, I came away fairly optimistic about France, notwithstanding the endless predictions of doom one reads in websites such as this. Thanks to its disastrous economy, France has not been inundated with immigrants (in recent years). Outside the infamous exurbs of Paris, North Africans are better integrated into French culture than Hispanics here. Also, France is still a very proud country, proud of her language, culture and history. Actually, that too is a contrast with the US. I know I'm supposed to be proud to be an American, but I'm not sure what that is supposed to mean.

    Anyhow, I'd be interested if others had a similar or different take on France.

    Just an annecdote, but a young French woman I know, married to an American and living in America, engaged in some serious virtue signaling on Facebook by idiotically comparing Trump’s wall to the Berlin Wall and intimating that all borders were evil. She lives in an overwhelmingly white suburb though.

    I’m not optimistic about France because it is historically very socialistic and North Africans didn’t treat the French too well when they were in North Africa. When the percentages are the same, I think the French will be totally dispossessed. Hopefully, I am wrong though.

    The most hope I see in Western Europe would either be Ireland or Spain. Ireland because they were a colony and not an empire. Spain because they have a lot of history with Islam and a better record than Greece. Neither is a safe bet though. Not even the East, though I’d place my bet there.

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    " The most hope I see in Western Europe would be either Ireland or Spain"

    You are light years off base with this conclusion, as Ireland is just about as far gone within a leftist mind-set as Germany.
    They worship BO and HRC/BC in both the north and south , and oh yeah I still have relatives in Belfast, so I am quite well versed as to the political situation there.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" Society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army Vet, and pro Jazz artist
    , @Seamus Padraig

    The most hope I see in Western Europe would either be Ireland or Spain.
     
    Can't say that I share your optimism there. Both countries have succumbed to homomania, and both are willing to allow themselves to be bled to death for the sake of the accursed EU. The sad thing is, they were both once very different peoples.
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  90. Murray is openly homosexual.

    I can see that.

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  91. Talha says:

    Very nice – a self-proclaimed neocon (who openly admits to supporting the Iraq War, no less), open homosexual and atheist writes a book on the “Strange Death of Europe”? I thought Brits had a profound sense for the ironic, no?

    Do yourself a favor Mr. Murray – read Nietzsche. And if you have already, read him again, slowly this time.

    who is appalled at the destruction that has been wreaked on the homelands of Western civilization

    Yes – let us see what the policies of the British government have unleashed upon ancient Londonium:

    Peace.

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  92. @helena
    Jesus Christ that is the worst thing I've seen in my life. What is the film for or about - what does the narrative say, couldn't anyone have done something, like drive their car at the lions? I feel sick.

    I saw an article about a similar incident a few years ago. It had comments from an African big game guide who said this happens quite often, it just rarely gets filmed. People watch nature films on TV and fail to appreciate what wild animals are really all about.

    Kind of like people who romanticize gangsters and thugs.

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  93. @songbird
    Just an annecdote, but a young French woman I know, married to an American and living in America, engaged in some serious virtue signaling on Facebook by idiotically comparing Trump's wall to the Berlin Wall and intimating that all borders were evil. She lives in an overwhelmingly white suburb though.

    I'm not optimistic about France because it is historically very socialistic and North Africans didn't treat the French too well when they were in North Africa. When the percentages are the same, I think the French will be totally dispossessed. Hopefully, I am wrong though.

    The most hope I see in Western Europe would either be Ireland or Spain. Ireland because they were a colony and not an empire. Spain because they have a lot of history with Islam and a better record than Greece. Neither is a safe bet though. Not even the East, though I'd place my bet there.

    ” The most hope I see in Western Europe would be either Ireland or Spain”

    You are light years off base with this conclusion, as Ireland is just about as far gone within a leftist mind-set as Germany.
    They worship BO and HRC/BC in both the north and south , and oh yeah I still have relatives in Belfast, so I am quite well versed as to the political situation there.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” Society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army Vet, and pro Jazz artist

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  94. Art Deco says:
    @vinteuil
    "One of the few secure pieces of knowledge about homosexuality is that it is not heritable in the manner of eye color."

    Well, to the extent that personal reports are ever secure sources of knowledge.

    But you seem to equate "heritable" with inborn. That is a mistake.

    I guess you're not familiar with Gregory Cochran's "gay germ" theory, for example?

    I guess you’re not familiar with Gregory Cochran’s “gay germ” theory, for example?

    I’m familiar with such speculations. They’ve been in the general audience literature for about 15 years. The original poster made a categorical statement, not a speculation. As for the twin studies, one set consisted of self-identified homosexuals reporting on their (identical) twin brother. The number of homosexual sets did not exceed the number of discordant sets. As for your in vitro exposure hypothesis, the agent in question must be pretty hit-and-miss, or you’d see high levels of concordance for fraternal twin sets, which you do not see.

    Or, maybe you have a multicausal explanation which is not predominantly biological, something the unzosphere find it difficult to imagine, to be sure.

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  95. The Price of Political Correctness: 70 Million SEK

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  96. @Danton
    I traveled widely in France earlier this summer--Paris, Loire Valley, Dordogne, Bordeaux, etc. I speak French relatively well, my wife even better. Overall, I came away fairly optimistic about France, notwithstanding the endless predictions of doom one reads in websites such as this. Thanks to its disastrous economy, France has not been inundated with immigrants (in recent years). Outside the infamous exurbs of Paris, North Africans are better integrated into French culture than Hispanics here. Also, France is still a very proud country, proud of her language, culture and history. Actually, that too is a contrast with the US. I know I'm supposed to be proud to be an American, but I'm not sure what that is supposed to mean.

    Anyhow, I'd be interested if others had a similar or different take on France.

    For all its problems, France is still not quite as far gone as the US is. At least they remain majority white for several more generations.

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    France is still not quite as far gone as the US is. At least they remain majority white for several more generations.
     
    I sure hope as hell that you are right about France. Actually, a good point you made is one of very few weaknesses of Christopher Caldwell's otherwise excellent thesis "Reflections On The Revolution in Europe"--he still thinks that US "citizenship" is protected by the rigid rules of "Americanization" of US immigration. Talk about wishful thinking.
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  97. @songbird
    Just an annecdote, but a young French woman I know, married to an American and living in America, engaged in some serious virtue signaling on Facebook by idiotically comparing Trump's wall to the Berlin Wall and intimating that all borders were evil. She lives in an overwhelmingly white suburb though.

    I'm not optimistic about France because it is historically very socialistic and North Africans didn't treat the French too well when they were in North Africa. When the percentages are the same, I think the French will be totally dispossessed. Hopefully, I am wrong though.

    The most hope I see in Western Europe would either be Ireland or Spain. Ireland because they were a colony and not an empire. Spain because they have a lot of history with Islam and a better record than Greece. Neither is a safe bet though. Not even the East, though I'd place my bet there.

    The most hope I see in Western Europe would either be Ireland or Spain.

    Can’t say that I share your optimism there. Both countries have succumbed to homomania, and both are willing to allow themselves to be bled to death for the sake of the accursed EU. The sad thing is, they were both once very different peoples.

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  98. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    The regular bile, with made up “facts” and hyperbole, from the vile Derbyshire!

    I address this mainly to all the cursed Islamophobes out there, even though this may get personal for the decent among you (to them, sorry);

    Given that almost all of the white race are Pagan Polytheists, who have taken man beings as “gods,” based purely on hearsay and against all logic, essentially making them spiritual “savages,” notwithstanding the pretentious pomp and ceremony of their religiosities, they should perhaps welcome a more modest people who could potentially imbibe some true monotheism in them, even if their deluded souls aren’t so inclined, and would rather burn in Hell than submit to Him, and only Him.

    Why, because a truth so obvious, was brought forth by a “coloured” man, and has mostly been followed by other “coloured” men?

    Open your eyes, and soon, for white pride will be your ultimate undoing.

    Finally, the only thing I will wish for the likes of Derbyshire would be… may they remain enemies of true monotheism until their last breath.

    The comeuppance that will entail will be richly deserved.

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    What a load of religious bilge.
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  99. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @anonymous
    The regular bile, with made up "facts" and hyperbole, from the vile Derbyshire!

    I address this mainly to all the cursed Islamophobes out there, even though this may get personal for the decent among you (to them, sorry);

    Given that almost all of the white race are Pagan Polytheists, who have taken man beings as "gods," based purely on hearsay and against all logic, essentially making them spiritual "savages," notwithstanding the pretentious pomp and ceremony of their religiosities, they should perhaps welcome a more modest people who could potentially imbibe some true monotheism in them, even if their deluded souls aren't so inclined, and would rather burn in Hell than submit to Him, and only Him.

    Why, because a truth so obvious, was brought forth by a "coloured" man, and has mostly been followed by other "coloured" men?

    Open your eyes, and soon, for white pride will be your ultimate undoing.

    --

    Finally, the only thing I will wish for the likes of Derbyshire would be... may they remain enemies of true monotheism until their last breath.

    The comeuppance that will entail will be richly deserved.

    What a load of religious bilge.

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  100. Never seen guru Ramzpaul this angry.

    Btw, if the whole point is to monitor for ‘hate’ against powerless groups, why did Youtube get ADL? Why not BDS? It seems Zionists are infinitely more powerful than Palestinians.

    Since the end of the Cold War, no people did more to spread globalist wars and wreak havoc in nation after nation: Iraq, Libya, Syria, Ukraine, Yemen, and provocation against North Korea.

    And no people have done more to mess up Europe with mass invasion. The destruction of Syria and Libya broke the Third World dam.

    Also, no people have done more to loot Russia and leave tens of millions penniless.

    And no people did more to pour gasoline on BLM, thus messing up communities all over the US.

    And now, this bogus ‘new cold war’ with Russia.

    ADL is associated with the globalist tyrants and oligarchs who’ve messed up the world.

    But IT gets to monitor and strike down what is ‘hate’?

    Gimme a break.

    If Youtube is sincere about monitoring dangerous hateful and destructive ideas, it should hire BDS that will speak truth to Zionist power that is now ‘Palestinianizing’ the entire West.

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    Since the end of the Cold War, no people did more to spread globalist wars and wreak havoc in nation after nation: Iraq, Libya, Syria, Ukraine, Yemen, and provocation against North Korea.

    Iraq has 18 provinces. The 11 provinces without a consequential Sunni Arab minority are quiet; there's a lesson in there somewhere. Libya is in pieces according to it's longstanding tribal rivalries, Syria has had a comprehensive breakdown in public order consequent to decades of seething sectarian resentment (stoked by the small Alawite minority which has run the place), the only havoc in the Ukraine is in the Donbass and the source of it is Russian clients, and the Yemen is another locus with both sectarian and tribal rivalries of longstanding (the brokerage of which one Yemeni President referred to as 'dancing on the heads of snakes". In response to the foregoing, your evaluation is that it's all da Joos.

    Here's a suggestion: your discontents are a function of you being a kook.
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  101. @Wally
    The ultimate foundational myth is the impossible & downright laughable '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers'.

    And now that people are realizing the truth about it, Jews demand suppression of free speech.

    16 European countries imprison people who dare to scrutinize the scam.

    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here:
    http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com

    "Some stories are true that never happened."

    - Elie Wiesel
     

    "Alone the fact that one may not question the Jewish "holocaust" and that Jewish pressure has inflicted laws on democratic societies to prevent questions—while incessant promotion and indoctrination of the same averredly incontestable ‘holocaust’ occur—gives the game away. It proves that it must be a lie. Why else would one not be allowed to question it? Because it might offend the "survivors"? Because it "dishonors the dead"? Hardly sufficient reason to outlaw discussion. No, because the exposure of this leading lie might precipitate questions about so many other lies and cause the whole ramshackle fabrication to crumble."

    - Gerard Menuhin / righteous Revisionist Jew, son of famous violinist
     

    “16 European countries imprison people who dare to scrutinize the scam.”

    Im aware of a few, uk, france, germany. What are the others?

    Its complete bullshit that its allowed to happen in the first place. Not the holocaust, the fact that asking questions about it can ruin your life.

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  102. @Pat the Rat
    Murray is gay.

    This will always make him an apologist for the current system.

    Because at its heart our system is a decadent sexually corrupt dystopia which pits homosexual men, abortion loving women and feral promiscuous men against all the rest.

    With the help of media and academia and the unions these groups have been persuading us for years that these "freedoms", and they are the "freedoms" Obama loved to mention, are simply a step on the road to utopia.

    Unfortunately building society on the blood of millions of unborn children, countless smashed families and a growing, ever growing list of gender weirdness and predation is not and never will work out.

    The west has been eaten from the inside out by evil sexually corrupt decadence.

    And it is not only the blood of millions of unborn children sacrificed on the altar of Molech feminism which is a pillar of our society, but endless immigration to be the children we never had, and endless amounts of vast welfare to try and ameliorate the societal damage of broken families. Go to Baltimore to see where this all leads.

    Unfortunately our society is in vast death spiral and no one will speak the obvious, because they all love their "freedoms".

    Not all gays are flamboyant queens. Most are just regular people that happen to like people of the same gender. I’ve know several gay men that DESPISE queens. They say it gives all gays a bad image. And its true, reading comments on unz.

    Murray sounds like he has a good head on his shoulders. Not saying I’d like to go on a drunken camping trip with the man, but if he wants to fight the same fight most of us are fighting, why are we going to push away a potential ally? Especially one who is going to open himself to all kinds of animosity by being vocal about what most of us are too afraid to talk about in public? (not being gay, being anti immigration)

    And as for abortions, so what? Only the overly religious think its bad. Ask rape victims if they think abortions are bad. We no longer live in a society where a man can work 50 hours a week and support a family. Its just not a thing for most of the population. So having a child after highschool (which used to be normal) will litteraly condemn a family to poverty and hardships for 2 decades. Im not advocating forced abortions, its a personal choice, and you, me and everyone needs to butt out of that personal decision. Its like picking a faith or religion. Its personal, dont let others choose for you, otherwise you will become resentful.

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    And as for abortions, so what? Only the overly religious think its bad.

    No, anyone who gives a moment's honest thought to what it entails thinks it's bad. Which is why Nat Hentoff was a vigorous advocate against the practice. That's why, when given an item-by-item list of circumstances and asked to offer an opinion on whether abortion in said circumstance should be legal, 70% of the public will tell you that 95% of the abortions should not be performed.
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  103. @Lawrence Fitton
    gays are born gay; it part of the human condition. your description of a gay bar and hijinks in the woods can easily be switched to a hetero bar.
    you're stuck in the fifties when a niggas knew their place and homos stayed in the closet.
    time to fast-forward into modernity.

    I watched a TEDX talk awhile back. It was discussing gays in society and how its probably an evolutionary quirk to help keep the populations stable. If all men where straight, it would lead to overpopulation. If all men were striaght, in generations where there are more men born then women, it would lead to a shortage of “caregiver

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    (my phone keeps closing my keyboard and i clicked publish by accident)

    ...."Caregivers" and prompt the straight men to fight more for the few eligible women. Its a rather interesting talk and id recommend it. I cant remember the talker, but searching "gay" and "tedx" in yt should bring it up.


    Gays have been in society for, well, forever. Its a "feature" of life, not a "bug".
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  104. Jon Orton says:

    John, the 2 sentences you believe don’t make sense actually do if you read them in a less literal frame of mind.

    It’s true that ‘endless’ and ‘boundless’ mean the same thing but in this context I think Murray’s boundless means ‘boundaryless’. There’s no such word, so he settled for boundless.

    The last sentence makes sense when read in conjunction with the preceeding one:
    “Prisoners of the past and the present, for Europeans there seem finally to be no decent answers to the future. Which is how the fatal blow will finally land.”

    The fatal blow will fall in one of two ways. Either in the European descent from decency into the barbarism of yet another a continent wide war and the consequent loss of the freedoms and tolerance won over hundreds of years. Or, if there is no war of defence, the eradication of Christian (ie native European) culture as has been witnessed in the Middle East over the past 30 years, particularly over the last 5.

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  105. @Delinquent Snail
    I watched a TEDX talk awhile back. It was discussing gays in society and how its probably an evolutionary quirk to help keep the populations stable. If all men where straight, it would lead to overpopulation. If all men were striaght, in generations where there are more men born then women, it would lead to a shortage of "caregiver

    (my phone keeps closing my keyboard and i clicked publish by accident)

    ….”Caregivers” and prompt the straight men to fight more for the few eligible women. Its a rather interesting talk and id recommend it. I cant remember the talker, but searching “gay” and “tedx” in yt should bring it up.

    Gays have been in society for, well, forever. Its a “feature” of life, not a “bug”.

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  106. @Seamus Padraig
    For all its problems, France is still not quite as far gone as the US is. At least they remain majority white for several more generations.

    France is still not quite as far gone as the US is. At least they remain majority white for several more generations.

    I sure hope as hell that you are right about France. Actually, a good point you made is one of very few weaknesses of Christopher Caldwell’s otherwise excellent thesis “Reflections On The Revolution in Europe”–he still thinks that US “citizenship” is protected by the rigid rules of “Americanization” of US immigration. Talk about wishful thinking.

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  107. @Art Deco
    The hard truth is that among the most powerful forces pushing mass immigration in both Europe and in the US are the Christian churches.

    The churches are donation collecting machines who generally have no influence over aught but their own employees. Their primary activity is maintaining their legacy property. The only bodies which exercise influence outside their own boundaries would be the Latter Day Saints, the Catholic Church (on alternate Tuesdays only); and (at the local level) evangelical megachurches, AME congregations, and National Baptist congregations.

    “The churches are donation collecting machines who generally have no influence over aught but their own employees” lol there are plenty of books on the subject disproving that. Churches have a tremendous influence. More then a group of openly crazy people should be allowed to have. Theres a well written book detailing the “marriage” of politics to religion in the 1930s that basically set the standard for political parties in the following decades. It shows that churches and the people that ran them had a clear political agenda.

    “One nation under god”. Even goes to show that america never was a christian nation, and it was hijacked in the mid 20c to push a political agenda.

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    there are plenty of books on the subject disproving that. Churches have a tremendous influence

    You don't name any books and you don't give any examples. There's a reason for that: it isn't true.
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  108. If ‘red-pilled’ means to be shaken awoke by confrontation with reality, it is only the first step.

    The next step must be to detox and deprogram the Pan-European Mind of the Glob Virus.

    The Mind must be red-queened.

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  109. @Emblematic
    John Derbyshire wonders why Europeans are so susceptible to guilt. One explanation is that all cultures have a foundation myth that tells them who they are, and the foundation myth of modern Europeans is a negative one.

    How do you recognise a foundation myth? It fulfils three functions.

    1)It explains the origin and structure of the world (and society).
    2)It defines ultimate good and evil (and from those definitions are derived the values that are used to justify the holding of power).
    3)It determines what is held sacred in that society.

    For modern Westerners the story of WWII has become their foundation myth. It fulfils all three functions.

    1)We live in the 'Post-War World'. The lines on the map, the institutions, the sense of what era we live in, all arise from the starting point of WWII.

    2)Ultimate evil is Nazis. Ultimate good is opposing Nazis. The values derived from these definitions are anti-racism, equality, diversity, anti-nationalism and so on.

    3)The only thing that is held sacred, that cannot be denied or mocked in the contemporary West, is the Holocaust.

    The problem is that all three functions are backwards or negative.

    Instead of the origin event being one of fertility and new life, it was a conflagration of death and destruction.

    Instead of ultimate good taking the central position in the story that slot is occupied by ultimate evil. Everyone knows that Adolf Hitler, the personification of evil, holds the centre point of the WWII story.

    Instead of that which is held sacred being something mysterious and sublime it (the Holocaust) is an obscenity.

    Having a negative foundation myth means the tree of life for Westerners is poisoned. People don't realise it but the bounds of allowable thought and the orientation of ideas are all downstream from the myth of the society. As long as our understanding of who we are is determined by this negative foundation myth the only direction is down.

    You should write a book.

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  110. @Randal

    But the unaddressed bottom line in all of this pandemonia is WHO is actually setting the political/societal tone for all of this madness, the answer being as un-PC as one could possibly get, and that being : Lunatic leftist ” green” Females all over Europe, starting with Germany and Sweden.
     
    The hard truth is that among the most powerful forces pushing mass immigration in both Europe and in the US are the Christian churches. They have been as thoroughly penetrated by multiculturalist pro-immigration lefties as they have by homosexual behaviour advocates (often the same people, obviously).

    The specific churches are the Roman Catholic Church and the ZioChristians. It’s more than they’ve been penetrated by multi-culti immigration lefties and homos. It’s that the “universality” of Christianity is the problem. These degenerates are on a “mission.” I’m a cradle RCCer and know the faith. The “trad RCCers” are just as evil as the liberals. They accept black/Asian priests-popes. This is the problem. If you accept black/Asians as equals, especially religiously, you assure the destruction of Caucasian/European peoples. I follow “trad, ” “liberal,” RCC sites and the Zioevangiers. They are flipsides of the same worthless coin. These groups cannot deal with the reality of the most objective truth, IQ (which is tied to race). The RCC/Zioevangiers really believe that Jesus and the communion wafer can bring about actual change. It cannot. Only a few people are capable of change and they are the Caucasians/Europeans. Martin Luther was correct in that most people are dung covered forms and that Christianity can only cover the dung in snow. I frequently comment and say look at different countries and compare them. Which country is better: RCC Philippines or Shinto/Buddhist Japan? RCC El Salvador or WASP USA (and I mean the actual WASP person)? RCC Haiti or Protestant Iceland? Of course the racial differences are noticeable, but on further study you will see the huge differences in IQ. No RCC/Zioevanger wants to deal with this. In fact, the cucks are working overtime to paper over these huge differences.

    (((Stefan Molyneux))) did a podcast with Jordan Peterson about “sorting yourself out.” It was interesting but at about the 24 minute mark they start talking about how using a program Peterson came up with, they can “raise the IQs” of minorities and make them equal to whites!!!!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kdnmT_7gLE I attach the youtube.

    This is pure degeneracy and madness!!! These 2 cucks are folding and trying to figure out some way to justify keeping the black/Asian/Muslims in the West. Even if Caucasians/Asians/ blacks had similar IQs, we don’t want to marry Asians/blacks because they are not white!!! There’s a trad RCC cuck E Michael Jones who constantly blames RCC problems on the Jews. He goes to Iran alot where he gets an opportunity to blame the Jews for many things. But he is someone who will OSCULUM INFAME a black/Asian priest-pope. He can’t even admit that he’s white. He says he’s Irish/German but that doesn’t mean a color. This is evil, cowardly, degeneracy with which we are dealing. He has youtubes and his most recent ones were with a Chinese woman living in England who was a Muslim but is now an atheist. This woman is free to opine about the West from Asia, not England. But Jones babbles about how we need philosophy and logos for the world to come to an understanding. No, we need repatriation. We need to assert the supremacy of the West and that it belongs to Westerners. We need to say Asians/blacks are inferiors and they must find their way in the world without Western help. Asians/blacks are free to comment on the West, but from their countries.

    Plus, dealing with the RCC/Zioevangiers first gets rid of the Jewish problem. More than one-half of world Jewry now lives in Israel. The West must work on getting the rest to Israel. But only by dealing with the RCC/Zioevangers (who give the Jews their power) first, will the West be able to restore itself.

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  111. LauraMR says:
    @Emblematic
    John Derbyshire wonders why Europeans are so susceptible to guilt. One explanation is that all cultures have a foundation myth that tells them who they are, and the foundation myth of modern Europeans is a negative one.

    How do you recognise a foundation myth? It fulfils three functions.

    1)It explains the origin and structure of the world (and society).
    2)It defines ultimate good and evil (and from those definitions are derived the values that are used to justify the holding of power).
    3)It determines what is held sacred in that society.

    For modern Westerners the story of WWII has become their foundation myth. It fulfils all three functions.

    1)We live in the 'Post-War World'. The lines on the map, the institutions, the sense of what era we live in, all arise from the starting point of WWII.

    2)Ultimate evil is Nazis. Ultimate good is opposing Nazis. The values derived from these definitions are anti-racism, equality, diversity, anti-nationalism and so on.

    3)The only thing that is held sacred, that cannot be denied or mocked in the contemporary West, is the Holocaust.

    The problem is that all three functions are backwards or negative.

    Instead of the origin event being one of fertility and new life, it was a conflagration of death and destruction.

    Instead of ultimate good taking the central position in the story that slot is occupied by ultimate evil. Everyone knows that Adolf Hitler, the personification of evil, holds the centre point of the WWII story.

    Instead of that which is held sacred being something mysterious and sublime it (the Holocaust) is an obscenity.

    Having a negative foundation myth means the tree of life for Westerners is poisoned. People don't realise it but the bounds of allowable thought and the orientation of ideas are all downstream from the myth of the society. As long as our understanding of who we are is determined by this negative foundation myth the only direction is down.

    It is far simpler, imo.

    PC is an American “cultural” fad that, while it is causing damage to us, it is decimating the Europeans.

    Despite the evident negative effects of PC on our society, it is just a put-on and we are already eager fabricating new imbecilities. Consider, after all, our fantasies about immigration versus the European situation.

    Europeans are dying from PC like Native Americans did from smallpox. It’s just an alien disease they have no protection for.

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  112. Art Deco says:
    @Priss Factor
    Never seen guru Ramzpaul this angry.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41CvypVyw7I

    Btw, if the whole point is to monitor for 'hate' against powerless groups, why did Youtube get ADL? Why not BDS? It seems Zionists are infinitely more powerful than Palestinians.

    Since the end of the Cold War, no people did more to spread globalist wars and wreak havoc in nation after nation: Iraq, Libya, Syria, Ukraine, Yemen, and provocation against North Korea.

    And no people have done more to mess up Europe with mass invasion. The destruction of Syria and Libya broke the Third World dam.

    Also, no people have done more to loot Russia and leave tens of millions penniless.

    And no people did more to pour gasoline on BLM, thus messing up communities all over the US.

    And now, this bogus 'new cold war' with Russia.

    ADL is associated with the globalist tyrants and oligarchs who've messed up the world.

    But IT gets to monitor and strike down what is 'hate'?

    Gimme a break.

    If Youtube is sincere about monitoring dangerous hateful and destructive ideas, it should hire BDS that will speak truth to Zionist power that is now 'Palestinianizing' the entire West.

    Since the end of the Cold War, no people did more to spread globalist wars and wreak havoc in nation after nation: Iraq, Libya, Syria, Ukraine, Yemen, and provocation against North Korea.

    Iraq has 18 provinces. The 11 provinces without a consequential Sunni Arab minority are quiet; there’s a lesson in there somewhere. Libya is in pieces according to it’s longstanding tribal rivalries, Syria has had a comprehensive breakdown in public order consequent to decades of seething sectarian resentment (stoked by the small Alawite minority which has run the place), the only havoc in the Ukraine is in the Donbass and the source of it is Russian clients, and the Yemen is another locus with both sectarian and tribal rivalries of longstanding (the brokerage of which one Yemeni President referred to as ‘dancing on the heads of snakes”. In response to the foregoing, your evaluation is that it’s all da Joos.

    Here’s a suggestion: your discontents are a function of you being a kook.

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  113. Art Deco says:
    @Delinquent Snail
    "The churches are donation collecting machines who generally have no influence over aught but their own employees" lol there are plenty of books on the subject disproving that. Churches have a tremendous influence. More then a group of openly crazy people should be allowed to have. Theres a well written book detailing the "marriage" of politics to religion in the 1930s that basically set the standard for political parties in the following decades. It shows that churches and the people that ran them had a clear political agenda.


    "One nation under god". Even goes to show that america never was a christian nation, and it was hijacked in the mid 20c to push a political agenda.

    there are plenty of books on the subject disproving that. Churches have a tremendous influence

    You don’t name any books and you don’t give any examples. There’s a reason for that: it isn’t true.

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    I did give a book's title "one nation under god". What an excerpt from amazon?
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  114. Art Deco says:
    @Delinquent Snail
    Not all gays are flamboyant queens. Most are just regular people that happen to like people of the same gender. I've know several gay men that DESPISE queens. They say it gives all gays a bad image. And its true, reading comments on unz.

    Murray sounds like he has a good head on his shoulders. Not saying I'd like to go on a drunken camping trip with the man, but if he wants to fight the same fight most of us are fighting, why are we going to push away a potential ally? Especially one who is going to open himself to all kinds of animosity by being vocal about what most of us are too afraid to talk about in public? (not being gay, being anti immigration)

    And as for abortions, so what? Only the overly religious think its bad. Ask rape victims if they think abortions are bad. We no longer live in a society where a man can work 50 hours a week and support a family. Its just not a thing for most of the population. So having a child after highschool (which used to be normal) will litteraly condemn a family to poverty and hardships for 2 decades. Im not advocating forced abortions, its a personal choice, and you, me and everyone needs to butt out of that personal decision. Its like picking a faith or religion. Its personal, dont let others choose for you, otherwise you will become resentful.

    And as for abortions, so what? Only the overly religious think its bad.

    No, anyone who gives a moment’s honest thought to what it entails thinks it’s bad. Which is why Nat Hentoff was a vigorous advocate against the practice. That’s why, when given an item-by-item list of circumstances and asked to offer an opinion on whether abortion in said circumstance should be legal, 70% of the public will tell you that 95% of the abortions should not be performed.

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    So you're saying that 70%think abortion is fine, under certian circumstances. And that 30% are, what, in favor? Id like to see your source.
    , @Bill Jones
    So you think that having more blacks aborted than born in NYC is bad?
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  115. @woodNfish
    Western Europeans should rise up and slaughter their leaders and their families to wipe out the disease of the globalism traitors.

    Agreed.Start with Merkel.

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  116. “And reading Murray’s accounts of the vexed situation of Europe’s Jews in a rapidly Islamicizing continent, you’d have to say that if the Jewish-conspiracy theory is correct, we are looking at a historically unprecedented conjunction of malice and stupidity.”

    Or perhaps they hate/fear us more than their Semitic cousins? Jews are openly bragging about allying with muslims against Whites, and yet it appears most are still giving jews the benefit of doubt? Were that the case, why does this “stupidity” not extend to allowing muslim immigration to Israel?

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  117. @Art Deco
    there are plenty of books on the subject disproving that. Churches have a tremendous influence

    You don't name any books and you don't give any examples. There's a reason for that: it isn't true.

    I did give a book’s title “one nation under god”. What an excerpt from amazon?

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  118. Bel Riose says:
    @Anonymous
    Don't waste your time arguing with that Corvinus scum. He's a worthless troll--only here to push his own agenda. I get the feeling that he may be on someone's payroll, but could be wrong.

    Couldn’t agree more.

    Watching that lion-eats-tourist video, I couldn’t help imagining that Corvinus was…well…you get my drift.

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  119. The fact that the Right has to rely on homos like Milo and Murry goes to show how holy homos have become.

    Since patriotism is now denounced as ‘toxic’, it can only be aired under protection of holy homos.

    If Murray weren’t homo, would he be allowed to talk like this?

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  120. 1953727

    (My phone keeps closing my keyboard amd i hit publish by accident)

    Not surprising. There has been a pretty determined smear campaign against abortions since they became popular. Don’t get me wrong, late term abortions arn’t right, getting an abortion because you cant stop having unprotected sex is wrong, having one to hurt the father or spite a family memeber is clearly wrong. But my point still stands regarding rape victims. Its a personal choice and the option should be there, and it should be as safe as possible for the mother. There are instances where if a mother carries to birth a baby theres a very real chance both mother and child would die from complications. Should those women be forced to die because they were given a “bad hand”, genetically?

    Its not black and white.

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  121. @Art Deco
    And as for abortions, so what? Only the overly religious think its bad.

    No, anyone who gives a moment's honest thought to what it entails thinks it's bad. Which is why Nat Hentoff was a vigorous advocate against the practice. That's why, when given an item-by-item list of circumstances and asked to offer an opinion on whether abortion in said circumstance should be legal, 70% of the public will tell you that 95% of the abortions should not be performed.

    So you’re saying that 70%think abortion is fine, under certian circumstances. And that 30% are, what, in favor? Id like to see your source.

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  122. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @attilathehen
    The specific churches are the Roman Catholic Church and the ZioChristians. It's more than they've been penetrated by multi-culti immigration lefties and homos. It's that the "universality" of Christianity is the problem. These degenerates are on a "mission." I'm a cradle RCCer and know the faith. The "trad RCCers" are just as evil as the liberals. They accept black/Asian priests-popes. This is the problem. If you accept black/Asians as equals, especially religiously, you assure the destruction of Caucasian/European peoples. I follow "trad, " "liberal," RCC sites and the Zioevangiers. They are flipsides of the same worthless coin. These groups cannot deal with the reality of the most objective truth, IQ (which is tied to race). The RCC/Zioevangiers really believe that Jesus and the communion wafer can bring about actual change. It cannot. Only a few people are capable of change and they are the Caucasians/Europeans. Martin Luther was correct in that most people are dung covered forms and that Christianity can only cover the dung in snow. I frequently comment and say look at different countries and compare them. Which country is better: RCC Philippines or Shinto/Buddhist Japan? RCC El Salvador or WASP USA (and I mean the actual WASP person)? RCC Haiti or Protestant Iceland? Of course the racial differences are noticeable, but on further study you will see the huge differences in IQ. No RCC/Zioevanger wants to deal with this. In fact, the cucks are working overtime to paper over these huge differences.

    (((Stefan Molyneux))) did a podcast with Jordan Peterson about "sorting yourself out." It was interesting but at about the 24 minute mark they start talking about how using a program Peterson came up with, they can "raise the IQs" of minorities and make them equal to whites!!!!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kdnmT_7gLE I attach the youtube.

    This is pure degeneracy and madness!!! These 2 cucks are folding and trying to figure out some way to justify keeping the black/Asian/Muslims in the West. Even if Caucasians/Asians/ blacks had similar IQs, we don't want to marry Asians/blacks because they are not white!!! There's a trad RCC cuck E Michael Jones who constantly blames RCC problems on the Jews. He goes to Iran alot where he gets an opportunity to blame the Jews for many things. But he is someone who will OSCULUM INFAME a black/Asian priest-pope. He can't even admit that he's white. He says he's Irish/German but that doesn't mean a color. This is evil, cowardly, degeneracy with which we are dealing. He has youtubes and his most recent ones were with a Chinese woman living in England who was a Muslim but is now an atheist. This woman is free to opine about the West from Asia, not England. But Jones babbles about how we need philosophy and logos for the world to come to an understanding. No, we need repatriation. We need to assert the supremacy of the West and that it belongs to Westerners. We need to say Asians/blacks are inferiors and they must find their way in the world without Western help. Asians/blacks are free to comment on the West, but from their countries.

    Plus, dealing with the RCC/Zioevangiers first gets rid of the Jewish problem. More than one-half of world Jewry now lives in Israel. The West must work on getting the rest to Israel. But only by dealing with the RCC/Zioevangers (who give the Jews their power) first, will the West be able to restore itself.

    What is your ethnic background?

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    To Anonymous (the 1/2 Jew who likes Derbyshire and his brown Chinese woman), I am a Heinz 57 Caucasian.
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  123. LauraMR says:
    @Wally
    The ultimate foundational myth is the impossible & downright laughable '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers'.

    And now that people are realizing the truth about it, Jews demand suppression of free speech.

    16 European countries imprison people who dare to scrutinize the scam.

    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here:
    http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com

    "Some stories are true that never happened."

    - Elie Wiesel
     

    "Alone the fact that one may not question the Jewish "holocaust" and that Jewish pressure has inflicted laws on democratic societies to prevent questions—while incessant promotion and indoctrination of the same averredly incontestable ‘holocaust’ occur—gives the game away. It proves that it must be a lie. Why else would one not be allowed to question it? Because it might offend the "survivors"? Because it "dishonors the dead"? Hardly sufficient reason to outlaw discussion. No, because the exposure of this leading lie might precipitate questions about so many other lies and cause the whole ramshackle fabrication to crumble."

    - Gerard Menuhin / righteous Revisionist Jew, son of famous violinist
     

    I’ve always been confused over this issue.

    Shouldn’t neo-Nazis and acolytes be proud of the Holocaust instead of deny it?

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    The lowest estimate of WWII deaths I know is 60 million, among them some ten million Germans.
    On 45 million citizens nearly a quarter.
    The number of Auschwitz deaths over time went back from four million to one, as Auschwitz was a gigantic industrial centre this million does seem possible to me.
    By kabbalistic arithmatic the six million were not reduced to three, the number of WWII jewish deaths one finds specified with names on the holocaust website.
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  124. @Corvinus
    "Western Europeans should rise up and slaughter their leaders and their families to wipe out the disease of the globalism traitors."

    Basically, you are saying that any Western European who opposes your ideology is a race traitor and deserves the death penalty. Do you even comprehend when you include "their families" that you are advocating jackbooting infants? Are you THAT insane?

    Listen, if you are so hell bent on stemming the tide, why don't you follow your own sick advice rather than lament about it on a blog? I get it, you are frustrated at your own impotence and seek to verbally lash out. In the end, you are not about to ruin your own existence by murdering men, women, and children.

    Western Europeans should rise up and slaughter their leaders and their families to wipe out the disease of the globalism traitors.”

    Basically, you are saying that any Western European who opposes your ideology is a race traitor and deserves the death penalty. Do you even comprehend when you include “their families” that you are advocating jackbooting infants? Are you THAT insane?
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    when the government selectively applies non-discrimination laws to some groups but not others that is cassus belli. when the government allows antifa to assault any working class white who raises a peep or attempts to organize in the defense of their own interest that is cassus belli. why do you never mention gramsci and his influence corvinus?

    Basically, you are saying that any Western European who opposes your ideology is a race traitor and deserves the death penalty. Do you even comprehend when you include “their families” that you are advocating jackbooting infants? Are you THAT insane?
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    our elite have no problems destroying white families through the family court system nor do they have any problem killing the unborn so morals are out the window at this point.

    Listen, if you are so hell bent on stemming the tide, why don’t you follow your own sick advice rather than lament about it on a blog? I get it, you are frustrated at your own impotence and seek to verbally lash out. In the end, you are not about to ruin your own existence by murdering men, women, and children.
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    Listen, if whites and men are not allowed to organize legitimately in the defense of their interests without being threatened by feminists, jews, blacks, homosexuals then will ruin our and others existence by murdering men, women and children.

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    "when the government selectively applies non-discrimination laws to some groups but not others that is cassus belli."

    "when the government allows antifa to assault any working class white who raises a peep or attempts to organize in the defense of their own interest that is cassus belli. why do you never mention gramsci and his influence corvinus?"

    "our elite have no problems destroying white families through the family court system nor do they have any problem killing the unborn so morals are out the window at this point.

    You are employing overly broad generalizations here.

    "Basically, you are saying that any Western European who opposes your ideology is a race traitor and deserves the death penalty. Do you even comprehend when you include “their families” that you are advocating jackbooting infants? Are you THAT insane?"

    Nice trick here. My comment was in direct response to woodnfish who clearly advocated murdering people he philosophically opposes. I never made nor implied any similar comment. Thus, your parrot squawking falls on deaf ears. Polly does not get that cracker.

    "Listen, if whites and men are not allowed to organize legitimately in the defense of their interests without being threatened by feminists, jews, blacks, homosexuals then will ruin our and others existence by murdering men, women and children."

    To be clear, I am not in opposition to whites and men organizing to defend their interests. I am in opposition when those whites and men who organize to defend their interests then command other whites to do likewise, lest they be labeled a "cuck" or "race traitor".
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  125. peterAUS says:
    @ThreeCranes
    Point very well made, PF.

    Here's one where the other team wins.

    Warning; definitely not for children or those with weak hearts or minds.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16fJBCrhmzA

    Puzzling: enough presence of mind to record the event….but not enough to TRY to rev/drive/rev a car/cars into the lions/around the victim…….?

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    I've solved it. The vehicles were driven by employees of the Reserve and their instruction was to stay still. If they drove away the lions, the lions would not in future sit around letting tourists photograph them. So the man, who clearly could have been rescued, was allowed to die in order to preserve the Reserve's Safari business.
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  126. “Mongolians are not flagellating themselves over the Sack of Baghdad, nor are Manchus (yes, they’re still around—I know a couple) holding a Sorry Day for their very brutal conquest of Ming China. ”

    Even more recent than that was the 18th century genocide of the Dzungars by the Chinese. This was an honest-to-goodness genocide carried out by direct order of the Qing emperor himself. The Muslim Uygers that currently inhabit Xianjing? Turns out they weren’t even the original inhabitants. They were invited to repopulate that region (along with some Han Chinese), after the original Dzungar inhabitants had been totally wiped out. Terrible indeed, but I doubt your average Han or Manchu is wracked with guilt over it.

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  127. One constant in American life.

    BAMMAMA: blacks are more muscular and more aggressive.

    They know it and act like predators against white prey who are weaker and scared.

    But… let’s go on calling them ‘teens’.

    http://www.fox25boston.com/news/police-turn-to-public-to-help-id-teens-behind-vicious-attack-in-quincy/579050394

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  128. Ace says:
    @Lawrence Fitton
    gays are born gay; it part of the human condition. your description of a gay bar and hijinks in the woods can easily be switched to a hetero bar.
    you're stuck in the fifties when a niggas knew their place and homos stayed in the closet.
    time to fast-forward into modernity.

    Male homosexuals are given to sex in showers with 10 other men, sex in toilets, and partners in the hundreds, sometimes over a thousand. As Joe Sobran observed, they are given to playing around in nature’s sewer system with health problems you would expect. They are also fond of public cavorting in jock straps, dresses, and high-end clothing from Bikers-R-Us replete with spiked green or pink hair and lipstick. Ugh doesn’t begin to cover it.

    If accepting that is what modernity is all about I’ll pass if I may. Homosexuals dont have to go back in the closet. It would be pleasant, however, to go back to the days when sodomy wasn’t a sacrament and homosexuals didn’t demand that we worship their wonderfulness. Gay is just sad.

    I also know of no heterosexual behavior that comes close, unless it’s discrete stuff also best kept private.

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  129. edNels says:
    @JackOH
    John, thanks. Gave your piece a quick eye-roll. Morning coffee's kicking in. I hand-grind from whole bean coffee, just ordinary house brand stuff from Aldi, or Eight O'clock brand, now owned by Tata, I think, one of those Indian meganationals that are quietly kicking our asses. Nothing bogusly artisanal about hand-grinding coffee. It's just that for the price of 30 seconds worth of hand-cranking, I get a noticeably better cup of coffee.

    What are we really bitching about on Unz? Most of us here have a full belly and some folding money. Few, maybe none of us, are working 72 hours a week and more in wage slavery. We have TV and NASCAR, and, by gosh, Amazon.

    I'll say our political gripe is that our overlords won't leave us alone to do our own time on this planet, and to enjoy the benefits of shared values within communities of civic comeliness ("comeliness"-a good old-fashioned word). Instead, our masters artificially elevate fringes and fringe philosophies, lending those fringes undue moral valence and giving them outright and unearned economic benefits. Purpose? Control of us.

    So the guy who dutifully mows his lawn on Saturdays is repeatedly trashed, while the guy with his clunker up on blocks in the front yard is politically courted. No wonder we're pissed. (Thanks for allowing this micro-rant.)

    The article is ok but sort of misses an important side issue. Firstly the term Neocons, and its close/kissin’ cousin, Neolibs, are complete three dollar bills to start with. So it should be expected that they and Homosexuals all get together to commiserate, share notes and work together, same aims. Liars all!

    Smart guy Gore Vidal who writes true stuff said a few times that the term homosexual is a misnomer, even though some people do acts that are designated as that. (Animals sometimes too.) Now you have dimwits with not much to offer, who think they can get a leg up on power or something to go around embarrassing others and themselves too, (if they were bright/truthful enough to glean it, being officially “Out” or Openly this or that.

    This Fruit even likes to self refer him/her/itself as a couple of shit head words that are political correct to the bastards who work to f**k up… uh, the english language, and some other shit I can’t remember now, oh traditional values, and that stinks!

    Now see, if the guy wants to ”do his own thing” on his own time fine, and everybody will let it alone, but they gots to get some f’n extra mileage by going all puplic in everybody’s face, for the shock value… oh pulease not shocked anymore! Why not try some other perversions so could use some other terms into your portfolio too? Just one thing or the other? There might be others too, soon you could have transgender AI machines to play with… Haha. One lie that I will suggest backs up my assertion is that business of (”born that way”) it is known to be untrue. Just as the ”Neo’s” are of any importance intellectually. Three Dollar Bills!

    I agree with JackOH’s comment too, hope that isn’t mixing things up too much.

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  130. @LauraMR
    I've always been confused over this issue.

    Shouldn't neo-Nazis and acolytes be proud of the Holocaust instead of deny it?

    The lowest estimate of WWII deaths I know is 60 million, among them some ten million Germans.
    On 45 million citizens nearly a quarter.
    The number of Auschwitz deaths over time went back from four million to one, as Auschwitz was a gigantic industrial centre this million does seem possible to me.
    By kabbalistic arithmatic the six million were not reduced to three, the number of WWII jewish deaths one finds specified with names on the holocaust website.

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    Thanks for the tallying. I'm not disputing these or other numbers.

    My question has to do with pride of achievement versus denial of the Holocaust.

    Any clues on that?
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  131. helena says:
    @peterAUS
    Puzzling: enough presence of mind to record the event....but not enough to TRY to rev/drive/rev a car/cars into the lions/around the victim.......?

    I’ve solved it. The vehicles were driven by employees of the Reserve and their instruction was to stay still. If they drove away the lions, the lions would not in future sit around letting tourists photograph them. So the man, who clearly could have been rescued, was allowed to die in order to preserve the Reserve’s Safari business.

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    These lions would be too much a risk after this, having acquired the taste of humans so I am sure they were killed afterwards or transported away.
    , @Wulf
    Yeah right! This video is a well known fake.

    http://shotcontext.blogspot.de/2012/11/pit-dernitz-and.html

    Get a grip muppets!
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  132. Corvinus says:
    @epochehusserl
    Western Europeans should rise up and slaughter their leaders and their families to wipe out the disease of the globalism traitors.”

    Basically, you are saying that any Western European who opposes your ideology is a race traitor and deserves the death penalty. Do you even comprehend when you include “their families” that you are advocating jackbooting infants? Are you THAT insane?
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    when the government selectively applies non-discrimination laws to some groups but not others that is cassus belli. when the government allows antifa to assault any working class white who raises a peep or attempts to organize in the defense of their own interest that is cassus belli. why do you never mention gramsci and his influence corvinus?

    Basically, you are saying that any Western European who opposes your ideology is a race traitor and deserves the death penalty. Do you even comprehend when you include “their families” that you are advocating jackbooting infants? Are you THAT insane?
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    our elite have no problems destroying white families through the family court system nor do they have any problem killing the unborn so morals are out the window at this point.

    Listen, if you are so hell bent on stemming the tide, why don’t you follow your own sick advice rather than lament about it on a blog? I get it, you are frustrated at your own impotence and seek to verbally lash out. In the end, you are not about to ruin your own existence by murdering men, women, and children.
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    Listen, if whites and men are not allowed to organize legitimately in the defense of their interests without being threatened by feminists, jews, blacks, homosexuals then will ruin our and others existence by murdering men, women and children.

    “when the government selectively applies non-discrimination laws to some groups but not others that is cassus belli.”

    “when the government allows antifa to assault any working class white who raises a peep or attempts to organize in the defense of their own interest that is cassus belli. why do you never mention gramsci and his influence corvinus?”

    “our elite have no problems destroying white families through the family court system nor do they have any problem killing the unborn so morals are out the window at this point.

    You are employing overly broad generalizations here.

    “Basically, you are saying that any Western European who opposes your ideology is a race traitor and deserves the death penalty. Do you even comprehend when you include “their families” that you are advocating jackbooting infants? Are you THAT insane?”

    Nice trick here. My comment was in direct response to woodnfish who clearly advocated murdering people he philosophically opposes. I never made nor implied any similar comment. Thus, your parrot squawking falls on deaf ears. Polly does not get that cracker.

    “Listen, if whites and men are not allowed to organize legitimately in the defense of their interests without being threatened by feminists, jews, blacks, homosexuals then will ruin our and others existence by murdering men, women and children.”

    To be clear, I am not in opposition to whites and men organizing to defend their interests. I am in opposition when those whites and men who organize to defend their interests then command other whites to do likewise, lest they be labeled a “cuck” or “race traitor”.

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    “when the government selectively applies non-discrimination laws to some groups but not others that is cassus belli.”

    “when the government allows antifa to assault any working class white who raises a peep or attempts to organize in the defense of their own interest that is cassus belli. why do you never mention gramsci and his influence corvinus?”

    “our elite have no problems destroying white families through the family court system nor do they have any problem killing the unborn so morals are out the window at this point.

    You are employing overly broad generalizations here.
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    those are not overly broad generalizations they are standard operating procedure in the west. In oregon last year minorities blocked a path at universities for whites and the police did nothing. in everest state in washington activists repeatedly threatened a jewish educator for not going along with their demands. in depaul college black lives matter jumped on the stage when milo came and nothing happened. less than 5 years ago a voice for men attempted to have a conference to talk about men's issues and bomb threats were called in so they had to change the venue. last year rooshv attempted to have a meetup of his followers regarding mens issues and masculinity and the police were called. people were assaulted for attending the amren conference last month. matthew heimbach had a rally in sacramento and BAMN went after him with violence. the publicly funded university I attend has graduation ceremonies for asians and other non-white groups but whites wouldnt be allowed this. blacks receive a separate graduation ceremony at one of the ivy league schools but nothing was done. employers regularly advertise internships, networking opportunities and jobs for NAMs and women but men, asians and whites are not allowed to form their own organizations. I could go on but there is a pattern developing. every group including papua new guinea headhunters is allowed to advance their interests except healthy straight white men.
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  133. @Corvinus
    "when the government selectively applies non-discrimination laws to some groups but not others that is cassus belli."

    "when the government allows antifa to assault any working class white who raises a peep or attempts to organize in the defense of their own interest that is cassus belli. why do you never mention gramsci and his influence corvinus?"

    "our elite have no problems destroying white families through the family court system nor do they have any problem killing the unborn so morals are out the window at this point.

    You are employing overly broad generalizations here.

    "Basically, you are saying that any Western European who opposes your ideology is a race traitor and deserves the death penalty. Do you even comprehend when you include “their families” that you are advocating jackbooting infants? Are you THAT insane?"

    Nice trick here. My comment was in direct response to woodnfish who clearly advocated murdering people he philosophically opposes. I never made nor implied any similar comment. Thus, your parrot squawking falls on deaf ears. Polly does not get that cracker.

    "Listen, if whites and men are not allowed to organize legitimately in the defense of their interests without being threatened by feminists, jews, blacks, homosexuals then will ruin our and others existence by murdering men, women and children."

    To be clear, I am not in opposition to whites and men organizing to defend their interests. I am in opposition when those whites and men who organize to defend their interests then command other whites to do likewise, lest they be labeled a "cuck" or "race traitor".

    “when the government selectively applies non-discrimination laws to some groups but not others that is cassus belli.”

    “when the government allows antifa to assault any working class white who raises a peep or attempts to organize in the defense of their own interest that is cassus belli. why do you never mention gramsci and his influence corvinus?”

    “our elite have no problems destroying white families through the family court system nor do they have any problem killing the unborn so morals are out the window at this point.

    You are employing overly broad generalizations here.
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    those are not overly broad generalizations they are standard operating procedure in the west. In oregon last year minorities blocked a path at universities for whites and the police did nothing. in everest state in washington activists repeatedly threatened a jewish educator for not going along with their demands. in depaul college black lives matter jumped on the stage when milo came and nothing happened. less than 5 years ago a voice for men attempted to have a conference to talk about men’s issues and bomb threats were called in so they had to change the venue. last year rooshv attempted to have a meetup of his followers regarding mens issues and masculinity and the police were called. people were assaulted for attending the amren conference last month. matthew heimbach had a rally in sacramento and BAMN went after him with violence. the publicly funded university I attend has graduation ceremonies for asians and other non-white groups but whites wouldnt be allowed this. blacks receive a separate graduation ceremony at one of the ivy league schools but nothing was done. employers regularly advertise internships, networking opportunities and jobs for NAMs and women but men, asians and whites are not allowed to form their own organizations. I could go on but there is a pattern developing. every group including papua new guinea headhunters is allowed to advance their interests except healthy straight white men.

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    there is a pattern developing. every group including papua new guinea headhunters is allowed to advance their interests except healthy straight white men.
     
    OK - understood - this grievance computes.

    ...then will ruin our and others existence by murdering men, women and children.
     
    You cannot be serious that this is a platform that you are advocating for change - are you? Are you ready to go Daesh on society? If you do, what do you expect society's reaction to be when you make it clear that you are willing to "murder" "women and children"? Was Daesh successful or unsuccessful?

    Push on principles for white men to be able to organize (just like all others are able to) - the election of Trump should be a sign that there is still room for discussion and people are still willing to be open to this. Demand that people give logical, principled reasons why this should not be done and also demand that the law accord protection to White males just as it does any other citizens.

    Let's assume you don't really care for any metaphysical consequences for your actions - are you willing to alienate millions of White males that are not ready to slit the throats of women and children for the cause?

    Peace.
    , @Corvinus
    "those are not overly broad generalizations they are standard operating procedure in the west."

    No, you offered overly broad generalizations.

    Regarding the Oregon protest from November 9, 2016, There were no reports or violence or vandalism as of 11:45 p.m., according to a police spokeswoman. And it was not just white students who had their path blocked, it was also nonwhite students.

    In the Everest case, the professor, who is liberal, was taking to task radical lefties. “There’s a difference between debate and dialectic,” the professor calmly told students. “Debate means you are trying to win; dialectic means you are using disagreement to discover what is true...I would encourage others to put phenotype aside and reject this new formulation,” he continued. “[O]n a college campus, one’s right to speak — or to be — must never be based on skin color.” He received support from whites and nonwhites, liberal and conservative, for his stand.

    “in depaul college black lives matter jumped on the stage when milo came and nothing happened.”

    Actually, it was the fault of De Paul officials, who demanded that CAMPUS POLICE simply keep order. Milo ended up leaving. Chicago Police did arrest one person who was not a student. The university president eventually lost his job over the incident.

    “the publicly funded university I attend has graduation ceremonies for asians and other non-white groups but whites wouldnt be allowed this.”

    Source?

    “matthew heimbach had a rally in sacramento and BAMN went after him with violence.”

    He wasn’t at the rally. And such demonstrations historically have incited violence. There is free speech, but not free speech with no consequences. Such violence ultimately plays into the message of white supremacists AND of the anti-fascists who claim they are “under siege”. Both radical sides were equally eager for confrontation.

    “last year rooshv attempted to have a meetup of his followers regarding mens issues and masculinity and the police were called.”

    Actually, he did have his talk in Montreal at a restaurant, which he labeled “Operation Goebbels”. It was only afterwards that he was sought after by opponents.

    Remember, both Milo and Roosh are agent provocateurs who each have their own agendas to cause chaos, then feign victimhood.

    In the future I suggest you offer the relevant context.
    , @epochehusserl
    “when the government selectively applies non-discrimination laws to some groups but not others that is cassus belli.”

    “when the government allows antifa to assault any working class white who raises a peep or attempts to organize in the defense of their own interest that is cassus belli. why do you never mention gramsci and his influence corvinus?”

    “our elite have no problems destroying white families through the family court system nor do they have any problem killing the unborn so morals are out the window at this point.

    You are employing overly broad generalizations here.
    ---------------------------------
    we had this conversation before corvinus. title 7 prohibits racial quotas and the courts routinely impose them. the words racial quota or disparate impact never appeared in any democratically elected piece of legislation.
    Lets read it again from the piece of legislation that was democratically elected by our hero Dr Martin Luther King Jr.
    -------------------------------------------------
    Nothing contained in this title shall be interpreted to require any employer, employment agency, labor organization, or joint labor-management committee subject to this title to grant preferential treatment to any individual or to any group because of the race, color, religion, sex, or national origin of such individual or group on account of an imbalance which may exist with respect to the total number or percentage of persons of any race, color, religion, sex, or national origin employed by any employer, referred or classified for employment by any employment agency or labor organization, admitted to membership or classified by any labor organization, or admitted to, or employed in, any apprenticeship or other training program, in comparison with the total number or percentage of persons of such race, color, religion, sex, or national origin in any community, State, section, or other area, or in the available work force in any community, State, section, or other area.
    ---------------------------------------
    here is a title of an article:
    Federal Judge Imposes Racial Quota on FDNY, Responding to Minorities Who Failed Entrance Exams
    When will liberals follow the law?
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  134. anonHUN says:
    @helena
    I've solved it. The vehicles were driven by employees of the Reserve and their instruction was to stay still. If they drove away the lions, the lions would not in future sit around letting tourists photograph them. So the man, who clearly could have been rescued, was allowed to die in order to preserve the Reserve's Safari business.

    These lions would be too much a risk after this, having acquired the taste of humans so I am sure they were killed afterwards or transported away.

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    Then why not drive at them and at least save the man. What's painful about the film is the time that elapses between the lion pouncing and the lionesses coming over. You can see the man lifting his head up. The lions weren't hungry otherwise they wouldn't have been sitting around. The lion pounced because the man had positioned himself between the lion and the pride. What was the poor lion supposed to do?

    But 1975 somewhere like Mozambique, would the lions have been culled?

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  135. Talha says:
    @epochehusserl
    “when the government selectively applies non-discrimination laws to some groups but not others that is cassus belli.”

    “when the government allows antifa to assault any working class white who raises a peep or attempts to organize in the defense of their own interest that is cassus belli. why do you never mention gramsci and his influence corvinus?”

    “our elite have no problems destroying white families through the family court system nor do they have any problem killing the unborn so morals are out the window at this point.

    You are employing overly broad generalizations here.
    ------------------------------------------
    those are not overly broad generalizations they are standard operating procedure in the west. In oregon last year minorities blocked a path at universities for whites and the police did nothing. in everest state in washington activists repeatedly threatened a jewish educator for not going along with their demands. in depaul college black lives matter jumped on the stage when milo came and nothing happened. less than 5 years ago a voice for men attempted to have a conference to talk about men's issues and bomb threats were called in so they had to change the venue. last year rooshv attempted to have a meetup of his followers regarding mens issues and masculinity and the police were called. people were assaulted for attending the amren conference last month. matthew heimbach had a rally in sacramento and BAMN went after him with violence. the publicly funded university I attend has graduation ceremonies for asians and other non-white groups but whites wouldnt be allowed this. blacks receive a separate graduation ceremony at one of the ivy league schools but nothing was done. employers regularly advertise internships, networking opportunities and jobs for NAMs and women but men, asians and whites are not allowed to form their own organizations. I could go on but there is a pattern developing. every group including papua new guinea headhunters is allowed to advance their interests except healthy straight white men.

    there is a pattern developing. every group including papua new guinea headhunters is allowed to advance their interests except healthy straight white men.

    OK – understood – this grievance computes.

    …then will ruin our and others existence by murdering men, women and children.

    You cannot be serious that this is a platform that you are advocating for change – are you? Are you ready to go Daesh on society? If you do, what do you expect society’s reaction to be when you make it clear that you are willing to “murder” “women and children”? Was Daesh successful or unsuccessful?

    Push on principles for white men to be able to organize (just like all others are able to) – the election of Trump should be a sign that there is still room for discussion and people are still willing to be open to this. Demand that people give logical, principled reasons why this should not be done and also demand that the law accord protection to White males just as it does any other citizens.

    Let’s assume you don’t really care for any metaphysical consequences for your actions – are you willing to alienate millions of White males that are not ready to slit the throats of women and children for the cause?

    Peace.

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    You cannot be serious that this is a platform that you are advocating for change – are you? Are you ready to go Daesh on society? If you do, what do you expect society’s reaction to be when you make it clear that you are willing to “murder” “women and children”? Was Daesh successful or unsuccessful?
    -----------------------------------
    There is a time and place for war and there is a time and place for peace. If we are not at the point of no return then we are close. As far as "women and children" argument goes, the average behavior of women in this society is disgusting. The general idea that men have an unlimited obligation to subsidize and support the bad choices of women to whom they are not related to is an abomination.

    Push on principles for white men to be able to organize (just like all others are able to) – the election of Trump should be a sign that there is still room for discussion and people are still willing to be open to this. Demand that people give logical, principled reasons why this should not be done and also demand that the law accord protection to White males just as it does any other citizens.
    -----------------------------------
    People dont have any principals. The second I raise a peep about these issues the death threats come in. No discussion is even allowed. Demands only have weight if you are prepared to back them up with force.
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  136. Corvinus says:
    @epochehusserl
    “when the government selectively applies non-discrimination laws to some groups but not others that is cassus belli.”

    “when the government allows antifa to assault any working class white who raises a peep or attempts to organize in the defense of their own interest that is cassus belli. why do you never mention gramsci and his influence corvinus?”

    “our elite have no problems destroying white families through the family court system nor do they have any problem killing the unborn so morals are out the window at this point.

    You are employing overly broad generalizations here.
    ------------------------------------------
    those are not overly broad generalizations they are standard operating procedure in the west. In oregon last year minorities blocked a path at universities for whites and the police did nothing. in everest state in washington activists repeatedly threatened a jewish educator for not going along with their demands. in depaul college black lives matter jumped on the stage when milo came and nothing happened. less than 5 years ago a voice for men attempted to have a conference to talk about men's issues and bomb threats were called in so they had to change the venue. last year rooshv attempted to have a meetup of his followers regarding mens issues and masculinity and the police were called. people were assaulted for attending the amren conference last month. matthew heimbach had a rally in sacramento and BAMN went after him with violence. the publicly funded university I attend has graduation ceremonies for asians and other non-white groups but whites wouldnt be allowed this. blacks receive a separate graduation ceremony at one of the ivy league schools but nothing was done. employers regularly advertise internships, networking opportunities and jobs for NAMs and women but men, asians and whites are not allowed to form their own organizations. I could go on but there is a pattern developing. every group including papua new guinea headhunters is allowed to advance their interests except healthy straight white men.

    “those are not overly broad generalizations they are standard operating procedure in the west.”

    No, you offered overly broad generalizations.

    Regarding the Oregon protest from November 9, 2016, There were no reports or violence or vandalism as of 11:45 p.m., according to a police spokeswoman. And it was not just white students who had their path blocked, it was also nonwhite students.

    In the Everest case, the professor, who is liberal, was taking to task radical lefties. “There’s a difference between debate and dialectic,” the professor calmly told students. “Debate means you are trying to win; dialectic means you are using disagreement to discover what is true…I would encourage others to put phenotype aside and reject this new formulation,” he continued. “[O]n a college campus, one’s right to speak — or to be — must never be based on skin color.” He received support from whites and nonwhites, liberal and conservative, for his stand.

    “in depaul college black lives matter jumped on the stage when milo came and nothing happened.”

    Actually, it was the fault of De Paul officials, who demanded that CAMPUS POLICE simply keep order. Milo ended up leaving. Chicago Police did arrest one person who was not a student. The university president eventually lost his job over the incident.

    “the publicly funded university I attend has graduation ceremonies for asians and other non-white groups but whites wouldnt be allowed this.”

    Source?

    “matthew heimbach had a rally in sacramento and BAMN went after him with violence.”

    He wasn’t at the rally. And such demonstrations historically have incited violence. There is free speech, but not free speech with no consequences. Such violence ultimately plays into the message of white supremacists AND of the anti-fascists who claim they are “under siege”. Both radical sides were equally eager for confrontation.

    “last year rooshv attempted to have a meetup of his followers regarding mens issues and masculinity and the police were called.”

    Actually, he did have his talk in Montreal at a restaurant, which he labeled “Operation Goebbels”. It was only afterwards that he was sought after by opponents.

    Remember, both Milo and Roosh are agent provocateurs who each have their own agendas to cause chaos, then feign victimhood.

    In the future I suggest you offer the relevant context.

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    “matthew heimbach had a rally in sacramento and BAMN went after him with violence.”

    He wasn’t at the rally. And such demonstrations historically have incited violence. There is free speech, but not free speech with no consequences.
    --------------------------------
    you dont have the right to assault people Corvinus. They were assaulting whites because they were attempting to organize. The leftists idea is that violence is ok for victim groups. We see this pattern repeatedly with the left when non approved victim groups attempt to organize while the average white male must put up with uncivil, anti-social, threatening and even violent conduct - that is the relevant context. The police had no business "investigating" Roosh seeing as though he was never accused of any crime. Was the feminists who called a bomb threat on A VOICE FOR MEN an acceptable consequence for free speech?
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  137. @epochehusserl
    “when the government selectively applies non-discrimination laws to some groups but not others that is cassus belli.”

    “when the government allows antifa to assault any working class white who raises a peep or attempts to organize in the defense of their own interest that is cassus belli. why do you never mention gramsci and his influence corvinus?”

    “our elite have no problems destroying white families through the family court system nor do they have any problem killing the unborn so morals are out the window at this point.

    You are employing overly broad generalizations here.
    ------------------------------------------
    those are not overly broad generalizations they are standard operating procedure in the west. In oregon last year minorities blocked a path at universities for whites and the police did nothing. in everest state in washington activists repeatedly threatened a jewish educator for not going along with their demands. in depaul college black lives matter jumped on the stage when milo came and nothing happened. less than 5 years ago a voice for men attempted to have a conference to talk about men's issues and bomb threats were called in so they had to change the venue. last year rooshv attempted to have a meetup of his followers regarding mens issues and masculinity and the police were called. people were assaulted for attending the amren conference last month. matthew heimbach had a rally in sacramento and BAMN went after him with violence. the publicly funded university I attend has graduation ceremonies for asians and other non-white groups but whites wouldnt be allowed this. blacks receive a separate graduation ceremony at one of the ivy league schools but nothing was done. employers regularly advertise internships, networking opportunities and jobs for NAMs and women but men, asians and whites are not allowed to form their own organizations. I could go on but there is a pattern developing. every group including papua new guinea headhunters is allowed to advance their interests except healthy straight white men.

    “when the government selectively applies non-discrimination laws to some groups but not others that is cassus belli.”

    “when the government allows antifa to assault any working class white who raises a peep or attempts to organize in the defense of their own interest that is cassus belli. why do you never mention gramsci and his influence corvinus?”

    “our elite have no problems destroying white families through the family court system nor do they have any problem killing the unborn so morals are out the window at this point.

    You are employing overly broad generalizations here.
    ———————————
    we had this conversation before corvinus. title 7 prohibits racial quotas and the courts routinely impose them. the words racial quota or disparate impact never appeared in any democratically elected piece of legislation.
    Lets read it again from the piece of legislation that was democratically elected by our hero Dr Martin Luther King Jr.
    ————————————————-
    Nothing contained in this title shall be interpreted to require any employer, employment agency, labor organization, or joint labor-management committee subject to this title to grant preferential treatment to any individual or to any group because of the race, color, religion, sex, or national origin of such individual or group on account of an imbalance which may exist with respect to the total number or percentage of persons of any race, color, religion, sex, or national origin employed by any employer, referred or classified for employment by any employment agency or labor organization, admitted to membership or classified by any labor organization, or admitted to, or employed in, any apprenticeship or other training program, in comparison with the total number or percentage of persons of such race, color, religion, sex, or national origin in any community, State, section, or other area, or in the available work force in any community, State, section, or other area.
    —————————————
    here is a title of an article:
    Federal Judge Imposes Racial Quota on FDNY, Responding to Minorities Who Failed Entrance Exams
    When will liberals follow the law?

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  138. helena says:
    @anonHUN
    These lions would be too much a risk after this, having acquired the taste of humans so I am sure they were killed afterwards or transported away.

    Then why not drive at them and at least save the man. What’s painful about the film is the time that elapses between the lion pouncing and the lionesses coming over. You can see the man lifting his head up. The lions weren’t hungry otherwise they wouldn’t have been sitting around. The lion pounced because the man had positioned himself between the lion and the pride. What was the poor lion supposed to do?

    But 1975 somewhere like Mozambique, would the lions have been culled?

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    Maybe....the answer to my question was the nature of those people.

    What we call "nice people".
    Where counter-aggression doesn't exist.

    Like when you bump into a guy when walking into a supermarket.
    Two types, usually.
    First, nice, "sorry"...smile, keep walking.
    Second, stare, you see the trouble coming.

    There wasn't the second type in that group.

    A good movie description of the second type can be seen in the movie "Heat", scene at the vacant drive in cinema.
    De Niro character reaction when being shot at by the wounded assassin...perhaps the adviser's experience as "blade".

    But, still....the person that kept recording all that.
    There is something there...............................

    I've seen debate about this once and it was inconclusive.
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  139. @Corvinus
    "those are not overly broad generalizations they are standard operating procedure in the west."

    No, you offered overly broad generalizations.

    Regarding the Oregon protest from November 9, 2016, There were no reports or violence or vandalism as of 11:45 p.m., according to a police spokeswoman. And it was not just white students who had their path blocked, it was also nonwhite students.

    In the Everest case, the professor, who is liberal, was taking to task radical lefties. “There’s a difference between debate and dialectic,” the professor calmly told students. “Debate means you are trying to win; dialectic means you are using disagreement to discover what is true...I would encourage others to put phenotype aside and reject this new formulation,” he continued. “[O]n a college campus, one’s right to speak — or to be — must never be based on skin color.” He received support from whites and nonwhites, liberal and conservative, for his stand.

    “in depaul college black lives matter jumped on the stage when milo came and nothing happened.”

    Actually, it was the fault of De Paul officials, who demanded that CAMPUS POLICE simply keep order. Milo ended up leaving. Chicago Police did arrest one person who was not a student. The university president eventually lost his job over the incident.

    “the publicly funded university I attend has graduation ceremonies for asians and other non-white groups but whites wouldnt be allowed this.”

    Source?

    “matthew heimbach had a rally in sacramento and BAMN went after him with violence.”

    He wasn’t at the rally. And such demonstrations historically have incited violence. There is free speech, but not free speech with no consequences. Such violence ultimately plays into the message of white supremacists AND of the anti-fascists who claim they are “under siege”. Both radical sides were equally eager for confrontation.

    “last year rooshv attempted to have a meetup of his followers regarding mens issues and masculinity and the police were called.”

    Actually, he did have his talk in Montreal at a restaurant, which he labeled “Operation Goebbels”. It was only afterwards that he was sought after by opponents.

    Remember, both Milo and Roosh are agent provocateurs who each have their own agendas to cause chaos, then feign victimhood.

    In the future I suggest you offer the relevant context.

    “matthew heimbach had a rally in sacramento and BAMN went after him with violence.”

    He wasn’t at the rally. And such demonstrations historically have incited violence. There is free speech, but not free speech with no consequences.
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    you dont have the right to assault people Corvinus. They were assaulting whites because they were attempting to organize. The leftists idea is that violence is ok for victim groups. We see this pattern repeatedly with the left when non approved victim groups attempt to organize while the average white male must put up with uncivil, anti-social, threatening and even violent conduct – that is the relevant context. The police had no business “investigating” Roosh seeing as though he was never accused of any crime. Was the feminists who called a bomb threat on A VOICE FOR MEN an acceptable consequence for free speech?

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    "you dont have the right to assault people Corvinus."

    I never stated nor implied that people have that liberty.

    "They were assaulting whites because they were attempting to organize."

    In those cases, they were assaulting people because they have fundamental disagreements over ideology and policy.

    "The leftists idea is that violence is ok for victim groups."

    It is radicals, left or right, who believe violence is a measure of first resort.

    "We see this pattern repeatedly with the left when non approved victim groups attempt to organize while the average white male must put up with uncivil, anti-social, threatening and even violent conduct – that is the relevant context."

    Corrected for accuracy --> We see a pattern repeatedly when radicals on the left and right attempt to organize and implement an agenda, with your run of the mill American citizens of various races and ethnicities putting up with uncivil, anti-social, threatening, and even violent conduct.

    "The police had no business “investigating” Roosh seeing as though he was never accused of any crime."

    Actually, the police were called as he filed a report after several women threw drinks on him, which was his legal right given her boorish conduct.

    "Was the feminists who called a bomb threat on A VOICE FOR MEN an acceptable consequence for free speech?"

    I never directly stated nor implied it was an acceptable consequence.

    Was the extremists who called a bomb threat in two Jewish centers in Orlando in early January 2017 an acceptable consequence for free speech?

    Are the extremists who advocate violence against those white people who support Muslim Americans an acceptable consequence for free speech?
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  140. @Talha

    there is a pattern developing. every group including papua new guinea headhunters is allowed to advance their interests except healthy straight white men.
     
    OK - understood - this grievance computes.

    ...then will ruin our and others existence by murdering men, women and children.
     
    You cannot be serious that this is a platform that you are advocating for change - are you? Are you ready to go Daesh on society? If you do, what do you expect society's reaction to be when you make it clear that you are willing to "murder" "women and children"? Was Daesh successful or unsuccessful?

    Push on principles for white men to be able to organize (just like all others are able to) - the election of Trump should be a sign that there is still room for discussion and people are still willing to be open to this. Demand that people give logical, principled reasons why this should not be done and also demand that the law accord protection to White males just as it does any other citizens.

    Let's assume you don't really care for any metaphysical consequences for your actions - are you willing to alienate millions of White males that are not ready to slit the throats of women and children for the cause?

    Peace.

    You cannot be serious that this is a platform that you are advocating for change – are you? Are you ready to go Daesh on society? If you do, what do you expect society’s reaction to be when you make it clear that you are willing to “murder” “women and children”? Was Daesh successful or unsuccessful?
    ———————————–
    There is a time and place for war and there is a time and place for peace. If we are not at the point of no return then we are close. As far as “women and children” argument goes, the average behavior of women in this society is disgusting. The general idea that men have an unlimited obligation to subsidize and support the bad choices of women to whom they are not related to is an abomination.

    Push on principles for white men to be able to organize (just like all others are able to) – the election of Trump should be a sign that there is still room for discussion and people are still willing to be open to this. Demand that people give logical, principled reasons why this should not be done and also demand that the law accord protection to White males just as it does any other citizens.
    ———————————–
    People dont have any principals. The second I raise a peep about these issues the death threats come in. No discussion is even allowed. Demands only have weight if you are prepared to back them up with force.

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    Again Bro - I understand your frustrations, but I want you to really think deeply about the fact that you used the word "murder" and "women and children" in the same sentence. That is not a good place to be - spiritually or mentally.

    the average behavior of women in this society is disgusting
     
    OK - and extremists in our lands use that as an excuse to throw acid in their faces using this same reasoning. I'm telling you, you do not want to walk down this path.

    People dont have any principals...Demands only have weight if you are prepared to back them up with force.
     
    I don't expect much from the Left, but you forfeit any moral position once you bring "murder" and "women and children" into the picture. You are not talking about taking on state forces or police or some other form of armed conflict that people would consider an insurrection, revolution, etc. At that point, it's not about them being a greater monster - you have then become a monster yourself and it's just about which monster has more resources at their disposal:
    "He who fights with monsters should be careful lest he thereby become a monster.
    And if you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will also gaze into you." - Nietzsche

    My sincere recommendation - take a break from the internet for a while. Go hang out at some public parks (make the trip to a White dominated part of town if that's your thing) and watch the children play.

    Peace.
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  141. peterAUS says:
    @helena
    Then why not drive at them and at least save the man. What's painful about the film is the time that elapses between the lion pouncing and the lionesses coming over. You can see the man lifting his head up. The lions weren't hungry otherwise they wouldn't have been sitting around. The lion pounced because the man had positioned himself between the lion and the pride. What was the poor lion supposed to do?

    But 1975 somewhere like Mozambique, would the lions have been culled?

    Maybe….the answer to my question was the nature of those people.

    What we call “nice people”.
    Where counter-aggression doesn’t exist.

    Like when you bump into a guy when walking into a supermarket.
    Two types, usually.
    First, nice, “sorry”…smile, keep walking.
    Second, stare, you see the trouble coming.

    There wasn’t the second type in that group.

    A good movie description of the second type can be seen in the movie “Heat”, scene at the vacant drive in cinema.
    De Niro character reaction when being shot at by the wounded assassin…perhaps the adviser’s experience as “blade”.

    But, still….the person that kept recording all that.
    There is something there………………………….

    I’ve seen debate about this once and it was inconclusive.

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  142. ia says:

    I’m always puzzled when people say it’s all caused by white guilt. All the liberals I know don’t feel guilty at all. They consider themselves morally superior to the rednecks, squares, bigots, etc. They seem rather smug and pleased with themselves.

    They pretend to feel guilty, I guess, as a kind of ritual abasement to indicate status. The more public the ritual the better.

    You sure this isn’t a gay chap troting out the old Freudian cliche about getting rid of repressions? Sounds similar to me. All we gotta do is get rid of the old Victorian hangups and we’ll be free!

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  143. Corvinus says:
    @epochehusserl
    “matthew heimbach had a rally in sacramento and BAMN went after him with violence.”

    He wasn’t at the rally. And such demonstrations historically have incited violence. There is free speech, but not free speech with no consequences.
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    you dont have the right to assault people Corvinus. They were assaulting whites because they were attempting to organize. The leftists idea is that violence is ok for victim groups. We see this pattern repeatedly with the left when non approved victim groups attempt to organize while the average white male must put up with uncivil, anti-social, threatening and even violent conduct - that is the relevant context. The police had no business "investigating" Roosh seeing as though he was never accused of any crime. Was the feminists who called a bomb threat on A VOICE FOR MEN an acceptable consequence for free speech?

    “you dont have the right to assault people Corvinus.”

    I never stated nor implied that people have that liberty.

    “They were assaulting whites because they were attempting to organize.”

    In those cases, they were assaulting people because they have fundamental disagreements over ideology and policy.

    “The leftists idea is that violence is ok for victim groups.”

    It is radicals, left or right, who believe violence is a measure of first resort.

    “We see this pattern repeatedly with the left when non approved victim groups attempt to organize while the average white male must put up with uncivil, anti-social, threatening and even violent conduct – that is the relevant context.”

    Corrected for accuracy –> We see a pattern repeatedly when radicals on the left and right attempt to organize and implement an agenda, with your run of the mill American citizens of various races and ethnicities putting up with uncivil, anti-social, threatening, and even violent conduct.

    “The police had no business “investigating” Roosh seeing as though he was never accused of any crime.”

    Actually, the police were called as he filed a report after several women threw drinks on him, which was his legal right given her boorish conduct.

    “Was the feminists who called a bomb threat on A VOICE FOR MEN an acceptable consequence for free speech?”

    I never directly stated nor implied it was an acceptable consequence.

    Was the extremists who called a bomb threat in two Jewish centers in Orlando in early January 2017 an acceptable consequence for free speech?

    Are the extremists who advocate violence against those white people who support Muslim Americans an acceptable consequence for free speech?

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    “matthew heimbach had a rally in sacramento and BAMN went after him with violence.”

    He wasn’t at the rally. And such demonstrations historically have incited violence. There is free speech, but not free speech with no consequences.
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    so what precisely is the consequence that you were referring to if not violence? If people were threatening muslims or jews it wasnt because they didnt acknowledge their right to organize. It was because they didnt like jews or muslims. the topic here was not left wing violence or right wing violence it is the repeated pattern by the left acting in a position of authority to condone acts of violence to prevent its political opponents from speaking or organizing. Roosh V for example may be an obnoxious jerk but he made the mistake in engaging feminists in the first place. It doesnt give the police the right to monitor his speech or actions which shut down his meetup. If people are not allowed to organize to advance their interests then the next step is violence.
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  144. @Corvinus
    "you dont have the right to assault people Corvinus."

    I never stated nor implied that people have that liberty.

    "They were assaulting whites because they were attempting to organize."

    In those cases, they were assaulting people because they have fundamental disagreements over ideology and policy.

    "The leftists idea is that violence is ok for victim groups."

    It is radicals, left or right, who believe violence is a measure of first resort.

    "We see this pattern repeatedly with the left when non approved victim groups attempt to organize while the average white male must put up with uncivil, anti-social, threatening and even violent conduct – that is the relevant context."

    Corrected for accuracy --> We see a pattern repeatedly when radicals on the left and right attempt to organize and implement an agenda, with your run of the mill American citizens of various races and ethnicities putting up with uncivil, anti-social, threatening, and even violent conduct.

    "The police had no business “investigating” Roosh seeing as though he was never accused of any crime."

    Actually, the police were called as he filed a report after several women threw drinks on him, which was his legal right given her boorish conduct.

    "Was the feminists who called a bomb threat on A VOICE FOR MEN an acceptable consequence for free speech?"

    I never directly stated nor implied it was an acceptable consequence.

    Was the extremists who called a bomb threat in two Jewish centers in Orlando in early January 2017 an acceptable consequence for free speech?

    Are the extremists who advocate violence against those white people who support Muslim Americans an acceptable consequence for free speech?

    “matthew heimbach had a rally in sacramento and BAMN went after him with violence.”

    He wasn’t at the rally. And such demonstrations historically have incited violence. There is free speech, but not free speech with no consequences.
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    so what precisely is the consequence that you were referring to if not violence? If people were threatening muslims or jews it wasnt because they didnt acknowledge their right to organize. It was because they didnt like jews or muslims. the topic here was not left wing violence or right wing violence it is the repeated pattern by the left acting in a position of authority to condone acts of violence to prevent its political opponents from speaking or organizing. Roosh V for example may be an obnoxious jerk but he made the mistake in engaging feminists in the first place. It doesnt give the police the right to monitor his speech or actions which shut down his meetup. If people are not allowed to organize to advance their interests then the next step is violence.

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    "so what precisely is the consequence that you were referring to if not violence?"

    For starters, there will be criticism and ostracism. We have the liberty to speak our minds, but there will be positive or negative results.

    "it is the repeated pattern by the left acting in a position of authority to condone acts of violence to prevent its political opponents from speaking or organizing."

    Corrected for accuracy --> It is the repeated pattern of leftist extremists who condone acts of violence to prevent its political opponents from speaking or organizing, with the left for the most part condemning such actions.

    "It doesnt give the police the right to monitor his speech or actions which shut down his meetup."

    Considering he was in Canada, there are different rules regarding free speech. While of course he should be able to meet where he wants to express his ideas, he has to secure a place that shares his sentiments. If the owners of that place do not want him there, that is their liberty to do so.
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  145. Wulf says:
    @helena
    I've solved it. The vehicles were driven by employees of the Reserve and their instruction was to stay still. If they drove away the lions, the lions would not in future sit around letting tourists photograph them. So the man, who clearly could have been rescued, was allowed to die in order to preserve the Reserve's Safari business.

    Yeah right! This video is a well known fake.

    http://shotcontext.blogspot.de/2012/11/pit-dernitz-and.html

    Get a grip muppets!

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    Phew, what a relief! and thanks for the reference, very interesting.

    This should please PeterAUS,

    "Savage Man Savage Beast is actually one of the better Mondo films - it has a sense of wit and purpose to its grotesqueness. It makes a legitimate point about the hypocrisy of the West 1, "


    Yours,

    Muppet.
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  146. LauraMR says:
    @jilles dykstra
    The lowest estimate of WWII deaths I know is 60 million, among them some ten million Germans.
    On 45 million citizens nearly a quarter.
    The number of Auschwitz deaths over time went back from four million to one, as Auschwitz was a gigantic industrial centre this million does seem possible to me.
    By kabbalistic arithmatic the six million were not reduced to three, the number of WWII jewish deaths one finds specified with names on the holocaust website.

    Thanks for the tallying. I’m not disputing these or other numbers.

    My question has to do with pride of achievement versus denial of the Holocaust.

    Any clues on that?

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  147. Corvinus says:
    @epochehusserl
    “matthew heimbach had a rally in sacramento and BAMN went after him with violence.”

    He wasn’t at the rally. And such demonstrations historically have incited violence. There is free speech, but not free speech with no consequences.
    -------------------------------------
    so what precisely is the consequence that you were referring to if not violence? If people were threatening muslims or jews it wasnt because they didnt acknowledge their right to organize. It was because they didnt like jews or muslims. the topic here was not left wing violence or right wing violence it is the repeated pattern by the left acting in a position of authority to condone acts of violence to prevent its political opponents from speaking or organizing. Roosh V for example may be an obnoxious jerk but he made the mistake in engaging feminists in the first place. It doesnt give the police the right to monitor his speech or actions which shut down his meetup. If people are not allowed to organize to advance their interests then the next step is violence.

    “so what precisely is the consequence that you were referring to if not violence?”

    For starters, there will be criticism and ostracism. We have the liberty to speak our minds, but there will be positive or negative results.

    “it is the repeated pattern by the left acting in a position of authority to condone acts of violence to prevent its political opponents from speaking or organizing.”

    Corrected for accuracy –> It is the repeated pattern of leftist extremists who condone acts of violence to prevent its political opponents from speaking or organizing, with the left for the most part condemning such actions.

    “It doesnt give the police the right to monitor his speech or actions which shut down his meetup.”

    Considering he was in Canada, there are different rules regarding free speech. While of course he should be able to meet where he wants to express his ideas, he has to secure a place that shares his sentiments. If the owners of that place do not want him there, that is their liberty to do so.

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  148. Talha says:
    @epochehusserl
    You cannot be serious that this is a platform that you are advocating for change – are you? Are you ready to go Daesh on society? If you do, what do you expect society’s reaction to be when you make it clear that you are willing to “murder” “women and children”? Was Daesh successful or unsuccessful?
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    There is a time and place for war and there is a time and place for peace. If we are not at the point of no return then we are close. As far as "women and children" argument goes, the average behavior of women in this society is disgusting. The general idea that men have an unlimited obligation to subsidize and support the bad choices of women to whom they are not related to is an abomination.

    Push on principles for white men to be able to organize (just like all others are able to) – the election of Trump should be a sign that there is still room for discussion and people are still willing to be open to this. Demand that people give logical, principled reasons why this should not be done and also demand that the law accord protection to White males just as it does any other citizens.
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    People dont have any principals. The second I raise a peep about these issues the death threats come in. No discussion is even allowed. Demands only have weight if you are prepared to back them up with force.

    Again Bro – I understand your frustrations, but I want you to really think deeply about the fact that you used the word “murder” and “women and children” in the same sentence. That is not a good place to be – spiritually or mentally.

    the average behavior of women in this society is disgusting

    OK – and extremists in our lands use that as an excuse to throw acid in their faces using this same reasoning. I’m telling you, you do not want to walk down this path.

    People dont have any principals…Demands only have weight if you are prepared to back them up with force.

    I don’t expect much from the Left, but you forfeit any moral position once you bring “murder” and “women and children” into the picture. You are not talking about taking on state forces or police or some other form of armed conflict that people would consider an insurrection, revolution, etc. At that point, it’s not about them being a greater monster – you have then become a monster yourself and it’s just about which monster has more resources at their disposal:
    “He who fights with monsters should be careful lest he thereby become a monster.
    And if you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will also gaze into you.” – Nietzsche

    My sincere recommendation – take a break from the internet for a while. Go hang out at some public parks (make the trip to a White dominated part of town if that’s your thing) and watch the children play.

    Peace.

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  149. Again Bro – I understand your frustrations, but I want you to really think deeply about the fact that you used the word “murder” and “women and children” in the same sentence. That is not a good place to be – spiritually or mentally.

    the average behavior of women in this society is disgusting

    OK – and extremists in our lands use that as an excuse to throw acid in their faces using this same reasoning. I’m telling you, you do not want to walk down this path.
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    I just try to avoid women for the most part because their behavior causes me nausea. I have been threatened by feminists for suggesting that they should pay for their own abortions and daycare. Do you think there should be no restraints on female behavior? This is why anti-discrimination laws are so evil because you for people who share nothing in common into the same space.

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    Do you think there should be no restraints on female behavior?
     
    I'm a Muslim - you know that right? This is a silly question to ask a Muslim; of course there should be - we even grant fathers the right to interdict the marriage of their daughter to a man they do not find suitable...(and there should be restraints on male behavior also). I think feminism is deplorable - the positive thing is that it seems to be self-defeating; people who ride that wagon tend not to have many kids (if at all) so their numbers will keep decreasing (percentage-wise) over time. One has to be patient.

    I'm not their proponent by any measure - I'm just saying that espousing feminism (or Leftism) should not carry a death sentence for one and one's children. That's not asking for much honestly and you will isolate millions (I'd say the majority of Whites) if you come at it from the angle of supporting a "purge".

    Peace.

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  150. OK – and extremists in our lands use that as an excuse to throw acid in their faces using this same reasoning. I’m telling you, you do not want to walk down this path.

    People dont have any principals…Demands only have weight if you are prepared to back them up with force.

    I don’t expect much from the Left, but you forfeit any moral position once you bring “murder” and “women and children” into the picture.
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    so when a group of men wanted to talk about these issues – feminists called in a bomb threat and the left is silent. the left also tolerates antifa violence the world over and is silent. morals are out the window at this point.

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  151. Talha says:
    @epochehusserl
    Again Bro – I understand your frustrations, but I want you to really think deeply about the fact that you used the word “murder” and “women and children” in the same sentence. That is not a good place to be – spiritually or mentally.

    the average behavior of women in this society is disgusting

    OK – and extremists in our lands use that as an excuse to throw acid in their faces using this same reasoning. I’m telling you, you do not want to walk down this path.
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    I just try to avoid women for the most part because their behavior causes me nausea. I have been threatened by feminists for suggesting that they should pay for their own abortions and daycare. Do you think there should be no restraints on female behavior? This is why anti-discrimination laws are so evil because you for people who share nothing in common into the same space.

    Do you think there should be no restraints on female behavior?

    I’m a Muslim – you know that right? This is a silly question to ask a Muslim; of course there should be – we even grant fathers the right to interdict the marriage of their daughter to a man they do not find suitable…(and there should be restraints on male behavior also). I think feminism is deplorable – the positive thing is that it seems to be self-defeating; people who ride that wagon tend not to have many kids (if at all) so their numbers will keep decreasing (percentage-wise) over time. One has to be patient.

    I’m not their proponent by any measure – I’m just saying that espousing feminism (or Leftism) should not carry a death sentence for one and one’s children. That’s not asking for much honestly and you will isolate millions (I’d say the majority of Whites) if you come at it from the angle of supporting a “purge”.

    Peace.

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    I am not calling for violence at all; the original thread about this started when Corvinus replied to someone going after the elite he said "well that includes women and children." My reply was that morals are out the window at this point. The rapes in Rotherham happen not only because of cultural incompatibility but also because of a lack of morals among white british girls.
    As far as cultural violence goes, if you read in the Old Testament the wars were not just based upon resources but also to support a way of life. In one passage after a religious war the protagonist says "as for me and my household, we shall serve Jehovah". Maybe he was misled and superstitious, but as least they stood for something back then.
    , @Clyde
    Muslims overshoot the mark and go crazy on it from time to time. But you do have your women under control. Once again, you overdo it in some ways but at least the Muslim women are not out in public places looking like trollops. I like to see female sexual display in public. It was reasonable enough until the 1960s in America. It has gone crazy since the 1980s when Madonna started making videos wearing lingerie and nothing else. The short short skirts of today are ridiculous.
    But its a younger generation that will do what it will do.
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  152. helena says:
    @Wulf
    Yeah right! This video is a well known fake.

    http://shotcontext.blogspot.de/2012/11/pit-dernitz-and.html

    Get a grip muppets!

    Phew, what a relief! and thanks for the reference, very interesting.

    This should please PeterAUS,

    “Savage Man Savage Beast is actually one of the better Mondo films – it has a sense of wit and purpose to its grotesqueness. It makes a legitimate point about the hypocrisy of the West 1, ”

    Yours,

    Muppet.

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    Well...not quite sure about that.

    Maybe I got my wires crossed, but I do remember watching same, or probably similar, scene ages ago, in movies. It was a part of long documentary about violence in nature. There were even scenes about, I seem to remember, natives in Amazon being killed by mercenaries.

    In any case, valid example or not, we have seen similar examples of people recording events when they should've been, really, helping, or at least, recoiling in shock, disgust or revulsion.
    I mean...the scene being watched is...what...highly emotional (shock, disgust, revulsion...fear...etc...etc).
    The first thing that happens in such states is loss of fine motor capability and coordination.
    Well....at the same time the same person is handling a recording device quite well.

    Anyway, of topic.
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  153. @Talha

    Do you think there should be no restraints on female behavior?
     
    I'm a Muslim - you know that right? This is a silly question to ask a Muslim; of course there should be - we even grant fathers the right to interdict the marriage of their daughter to a man they do not find suitable...(and there should be restraints on male behavior also). I think feminism is deplorable - the positive thing is that it seems to be self-defeating; people who ride that wagon tend not to have many kids (if at all) so their numbers will keep decreasing (percentage-wise) over time. One has to be patient.

    I'm not their proponent by any measure - I'm just saying that espousing feminism (or Leftism) should not carry a death sentence for one and one's children. That's not asking for much honestly and you will isolate millions (I'd say the majority of Whites) if you come at it from the angle of supporting a "purge".

    Peace.

    I am not calling for violence at all; the original thread about this started when Corvinus replied to someone going after the elite he said “well that includes women and children.” My reply was that morals are out the window at this point. The rapes in Rotherham happen not only because of cultural incompatibility but also because of a lack of morals among white british girls.
    As far as cultural violence goes, if you read in the Old Testament the wars were not just based upon resources but also to support a way of life. In one passage after a religious war the protagonist says “as for me and my household, we shall serve Jehovah”. Maybe he was misled and superstitious, but as least they stood for something back then.

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    I am not calling for violence at all
     
    OK - sorry for misreading your words. And yes, I agree, until morals and a traditional way of life become popular in the West again the problems, symptoms really, will continue to grow unchecked.

    Peace.
    , @Corvinus
    "I am not calling for violence at all; the original thread about this started when Corvinus replied to someone going after the elite he said “well that includes women and children.”

    I responded to woodNfish, who stated "“Western Europeans should rise up and slaughter their leaders and their families to wipe out the disease of the globalism traitors.”

    What he/she is advocating is in direct opposition to any and all moral codes, and I responded appropriately. Would you not agree?

    "so when a group of men wanted to talk about these issues – feminists called in a bomb threat and the left is silent."

    Radical feminists. There is a difference. Among feminists, there is in-fighting. Educate yourself.

    https://clairelehmann.net/2015/05/29/feminism-must-be-reclaimed-from-radicals

    https://medium.com/@See_Em_Play/left-versus-liberal-feminism-a-struggle-d31e06bfa7da

    http://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/the-case-against-contemporary-feminism

    http://www.feministcurrent.com/2016/04/19/interview-meghan-murphy-liberal-backlash-feminism/


    "the left also tolerates antifa violence the world over and is silent."

    Antifa are radicals. The Left is other than silent. Educate yourself.

    http://www.occupy.com/article/letter-american-left-antifa-not-your-friend#sthash.Lw6znK4D.dpbs

    "This brings us to a final, more philosophical point. Antifa and those who engage in black bloc tactics stand as antithetical to the sorts of liberal and progressive values once held in such high esteem by the political left. Whereas liberalism once prided itself on intellect and debate as its most powerful weapons in the fight against conservatism, fascism or other rightwing variants, the violence and destruction that Antifa have brought to the table – along with the mainstream left’s tacit if not outright support for such actions – marks a devolution in the philosophy of the left, and a failure to adequately maintain a grip on its principles."

    https://attackthesystem.com/2017/02/09/former-antifa-speaks-out-against-antifa/

    "What happened in UC Berkeley sparked me to write this expose`. I don’t particularly care for Milo Yiannapolous but I can tell you with certainty, being someone who had encountered actual neo-nazis in my life on several occasions, that this guy is not a Nazi and they know that. Antifa was just using their ‘loose association’ ideology in order to justify attacks against people with conservative ideas, because they fear the man’s ability to gain strength against them. One thing that I noticed that conservative news outlets often conceptualize inaccurately is that Antifa are merely emotional liberals who are dissatisfied with Trump’s victory. It’s important to understand that this is not the case. Antifa are not liberals by any stretch of the imagination. They are very far-left and do not align with liberal ideology. Most of the veteran Antifas I knew were in full support of Asian, Middle-Asian, African and European guerrilla revolutionaries that were fighting in communist uprisings. Namely the support of the Communist Party of India, known as Maoists, to which they gave their unconditional support to."
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  154. Talha says:
    @epochehusserl
    I am not calling for violence at all; the original thread about this started when Corvinus replied to someone going after the elite he said "well that includes women and children." My reply was that morals are out the window at this point. The rapes in Rotherham happen not only because of cultural incompatibility but also because of a lack of morals among white british girls.
    As far as cultural violence goes, if you read in the Old Testament the wars were not just based upon resources but also to support a way of life. In one passage after a religious war the protagonist says "as for me and my household, we shall serve Jehovah". Maybe he was misled and superstitious, but as least they stood for something back then.

    I am not calling for violence at all

    OK – sorry for misreading your words. And yes, I agree, until morals and a traditional way of life become popular in the West again the problems, symptoms really, will continue to grow unchecked.

    Peace.

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  155. @Anonymous
    What is your ethnic background?

    To Anonymous (the 1/2 Jew who likes Derbyshire and his brown Chinese woman), I am a Heinz 57 Caucasian.

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    I'm not Jewish, nor do I particularly like Derbyshire. I haven't read much of his writing.

    What is your ethnic background? "Heinz 57 Caucasian" is very vague. Are you Jewish? Armenian? Lebanese?
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  156. peterAUS says:
    @helena
    Phew, what a relief! and thanks for the reference, very interesting.

    This should please PeterAUS,

    "Savage Man Savage Beast is actually one of the better Mondo films - it has a sense of wit and purpose to its grotesqueness. It makes a legitimate point about the hypocrisy of the West 1, "


    Yours,

    Muppet.

    Well…not quite sure about that.

    Maybe I got my wires crossed, but I do remember watching same, or probably similar, scene ages ago, in movies. It was a part of long documentary about violence in nature. There were even scenes about, I seem to remember, natives in Amazon being killed by mercenaries.

    In any case, valid example or not, we have seen similar examples of people recording events when they should’ve been, really, helping, or at least, recoiling in shock, disgust or revulsion.
    I mean…the scene being watched is…what…highly emotional (shock, disgust, revulsion…fear…etc…etc).
    The first thing that happens in such states is loss of fine motor capability and coordination.
    Well….at the same time the same person is handling a recording device quite well.

    Anyway, of topic.

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  157. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @attilathehen
    To Anonymous (the 1/2 Jew who likes Derbyshire and his brown Chinese woman), I am a Heinz 57 Caucasian.

    I’m not Jewish, nor do I particularly like Derbyshire. I haven’t read much of his writing.

    What is your ethnic background? “Heinz 57 Caucasian” is very vague. Are you Jewish? Armenian? Lebanese?

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    McConaughey's ancestry includes English, German, Irish, Scottish, and Swedish


    Can you beat that? (actually, thinking about it, a lot of 'white british' people are probably much the same if one includes Vikings)
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  158. peterAUS says:

    As always, The Question of “violence”.
    And the funny exchanges.

    Some people say it’s necessary to use violence to solve the current problems in the West….in open, Internet, forum.
    Bang….the rest jump on them with moral outrage, practical impossibility and any conceivable reason…..and those advocating violence retreat in shame and self-flagellation.
    On alt-sites that is.

    Neocon sites quite openly advocate use of widespread violence to achieve their goals, even use of tactical nuclear weapons.
    Progs sites….well…..how about calls to assassinate Trump just for a starter.

    And, then, we have “alt-right”…or whatever.

    Apparently, no….no violence.
    Bad…bad thing.

    So…out of curiosity….how is possible, technically , to replace a regime quite willing and capable of using violence……without using violence?

    Practically, in this world?

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    Let me explain what I meant with this thread. I am saying that violence could not morally be ruled out of court seeing as though the left tolerates it with their "shock troops" but I dont think it would do any good. It is astonishing to me the level of anarcho-tyranny we see by the left on a daily and yearly basis but at the end of the day most people dont care. And by the way Corvinus, the police were called in the US when RooshV attempted to have a meetup.

    http://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/2016/02/03/ur-wants-police-case-blogger-roosh-v-holds-roc-event/79789898/

    So the left will use the police powers of the state to monitor a meetup of grown men who are neither accused or even suspected of any known crime but will not investigate any of the myriads of known racial hoaxes on publicly funded universities, the fact that antifa uses masks (which is illegal or so I understood because of the KKK), people who hold signs in london saying death to all white men, feminists who call in bomb threats to disrupt AVFM or anything else. Is it time for violence, hell yes, but no one gives a shit so what difference would it make?
    , @epochehusserl
    So…out of curiosity….how is possible, technically , to replace a regime quite willing and capable of using violence……without using violence?

    Practically, in this world?
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    You have to have ideas and a presence that are so superior to anything else available that even people who dislike you for other reasons say to themselves: this person knows how things should be organized, I think I would be able to reach my life's goals because of this.
    A good Alt-Right platform would include:
    1. getting rid of affirmative action and disparate impact. allow large employers to use afqt to select candidates if they so desire.
    2. legalizing marijuana at the federal level
    3. having the fed, the treasury and wall street work with main street to develop better financial products
    4. focus on rebuilding the family as an economic unit and structure the tax system accordingly. people would rather work with friends and family rather than a large organization
    5. insist that social reformers focus on creating better quality educational programs rather than worrrying about the relative social status of their group. for example, programs should be developed for the blockchain, 3d printing, the internet of things, derivatives trading, debt collection, home renovation, and jewelry.
    6. work towards energy nationalism. encourage charged batteries of sufficient size be listed on a futures exchange, encourage scrubbing technologies for coal be improved
    7. develop a methodology for the automation of scientific experiments
    8. celebrating both nature and man's accomplishments
    9. working towards developing new types of art using advancements in materials science
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    of course our population is not interested in the above. we instead focus on violent student protesting of people who believe that IQ tests matter and that bathrooms should be gender segregated.

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  159. Corvinus says:
    @epochehusserl
    I am not calling for violence at all; the original thread about this started when Corvinus replied to someone going after the elite he said "well that includes women and children." My reply was that morals are out the window at this point. The rapes in Rotherham happen not only because of cultural incompatibility but also because of a lack of morals among white british girls.
    As far as cultural violence goes, if you read in the Old Testament the wars were not just based upon resources but also to support a way of life. In one passage after a religious war the protagonist says "as for me and my household, we shall serve Jehovah". Maybe he was misled and superstitious, but as least they stood for something back then.

    “I am not calling for violence at all; the original thread about this started when Corvinus replied to someone going after the elite he said “well that includes women and children.”

    I responded to woodNfish, who stated ““Western Europeans should rise up and slaughter their leaders and their families to wipe out the disease of the globalism traitors.”

    What he/she is advocating is in direct opposition to any and all moral codes, and I responded appropriately. Would you not agree?

    “so when a group of men wanted to talk about these issues – feminists called in a bomb threat and the left is silent.”

    Radical feminists. There is a difference. Among feminists, there is in-fighting. Educate yourself.

    https://clairelehmann.net/2015/05/29/feminism-must-be-reclaimed-from-radicals

    https://medium.com/@See_Em_Play/left-versus-liberal-feminism-a-struggle-d31e06bfa7da

    http://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/the-case-against-contemporary-feminism

    http://www.feministcurrent.com/2016/04/19/interview-meghan-murphy-liberal-backlash-feminism/

    “the left also tolerates antifa violence the world over and is silent.”

    Antifa are radicals. The Left is other than silent. Educate yourself.

    http://www.occupy.com/article/letter-american-left-antifa-not-your-friend#sthash.Lw6znK4D.dpbs

    “This brings us to a final, more philosophical point. Antifa and those who engage in black bloc tactics stand as antithetical to the sorts of liberal and progressive values once held in such high esteem by the political left. Whereas liberalism once prided itself on intellect and debate as its most powerful weapons in the fight against conservatism, fascism or other rightwing variants, the violence and destruction that Antifa have brought to the table – along with the mainstream left’s tacit if not outright support for such actions – marks a devolution in the philosophy of the left, and a failure to adequately maintain a grip on its principles.”

    https://attackthesystem.com/2017/02/09/former-antifa-speaks-out-against-antifa/

    “What happened in UC Berkeley sparked me to write this expose`. I don’t particularly care for Milo Yiannapolous but I can tell you with certainty, being someone who had encountered actual neo-nazis in my life on several occasions, that this guy is not a Nazi and they know that. Antifa was just using their ‘loose association’ ideology in order to justify attacks against people with conservative ideas, because they fear the man’s ability to gain strength against them. One thing that I noticed that conservative news outlets often conceptualize inaccurately is that Antifa are merely emotional liberals who are dissatisfied with Trump’s victory. It’s important to understand that this is not the case. Antifa are not liberals by any stretch of the imagination. They are very far-left and do not align with liberal ideology. Most of the veteran Antifas I knew were in full support of Asian, Middle-Asian, African and European guerrilla revolutionaries that were fighting in communist uprisings. Namely the support of the Communist Party of India, known as Maoists, to which they gave their unconditional support to.”

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    The "antifa" movement was originated in Germany, such as the "green" lunacy.
    And fact is most of the destructive ideas and innovations of the last two hundred years have their roots in Deutschland, such as heroin, psychology, etc.
    And the Germans are now, due to the election of DT, at the melting point.
    They are screaming for his removal, as if these megalomaniacal fools won the war and now rule the globe.
    Just where do they, the Germans, get off meddling in internal US politics and instructing the Americans who they should or should not install as president.
    They are apparently still living by the concept of : "Am deutschen Wesen soll die Welt genesen" : The world shall heal through german inspiration.
    I now truly understand and agree with WC's axiom of "boots or throat" regarding the Germans.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army vet, and pro Jazz musician.

    , @epochehusserl
    No formal action by anyone in authority has ever been taken against Antifa that I am aware of. Why are they not investigated as a terror group?
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  160. Clyde says:
    @Talha

    Do you think there should be no restraints on female behavior?
     
    I'm a Muslim - you know that right? This is a silly question to ask a Muslim; of course there should be - we even grant fathers the right to interdict the marriage of their daughter to a man they do not find suitable...(and there should be restraints on male behavior also). I think feminism is deplorable - the positive thing is that it seems to be self-defeating; people who ride that wagon tend not to have many kids (if at all) so their numbers will keep decreasing (percentage-wise) over time. One has to be patient.

    I'm not their proponent by any measure - I'm just saying that espousing feminism (or Leftism) should not carry a death sentence for one and one's children. That's not asking for much honestly and you will isolate millions (I'd say the majority of Whites) if you come at it from the angle of supporting a "purge".

    Peace.

    Muslims overshoot the mark and go crazy on it from time to time. But you do have your women under control. Once again, you overdo it in some ways but at least the Muslim women are not out in public places looking like trollops. I like to see female sexual display in public. It was reasonable enough until the 1960s in America. It has gone crazy since the 1980s when Madonna started making videos wearing lingerie and nothing else. The short short skirts of today are ridiculous.
    But its a younger generation that will do what it will do.

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    Hey Clyde,

    out in public places looking like trollops
     
    Was recently in sunny SoCal, visiting family - non-Muslim women were letting it all hang out. This was pretty much regardless of any kind of self-consciousness too - women who look like they could benefit from losing 50-60 pounds apparently want to wear the same clothes as their teenage daughters. They worst seem to be Asian women around these parts - if women are wearing short shorts, they are doing the same and shaving off a few inches. Whatever...they have parents, their life, not mine.

    I like to see female sexual display in public.
     
    That's fine - then one simply has to deal with the consequences...do you have daughters? Do you care if men stare at them like wolves stare at slabs of meat?

    The short short skirts of today are ridiculous.
     
    And the dress of the people in the 1950s was ridiculous for the people a few decades before them:
    http://mashable.com/2015/05/27/swimsuit-police/#OdfzTLrDAgq3

    There are a few competing restaurant bars around our Chicago area whose main draw (from their billboard ads) is young buxom women in revealing tops and short skirts. One billboard basically had little more than its title and a shot of a young female serving two large glasses of beer with her cleavage in the background (and some witty line about jugs or something) - that was literally it - breasts and beer (not even a face). She was daddy's little princess at one time; I wonder if she ever pointed that billboard out to him and said - hey dad, those are mine!

    One of the problems I see is that folks around these forums talk about cucks all the time
    - but you need those cucks around so that they don't get in the way of you ogling their wives and daughters. You just don't want to extend the same privileges to darkies.

    A decade from now maybe this may seem quaint and old-fashioned and the men will talk about how the ubiquity of thongs in public is a blight on our once-great nation. Once you start with the premise that you began with - I like to see female sexual display in public - this is the road you follow, it is only a matter of how long it takes to get to the destination.

    "If you want to destroy any nation without war, create adultery or nudity common in the young generation." - a saying attributed to Salahuddin Ayyubi (ra)

    I wonder when women will start asking for the right to jog topless in public - I see men doing it all the time - down with the patriarchy!!! LOL! Welcome to the verge...

    Peace.

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  161. helena says:
    @Anonymous
    I'm not Jewish, nor do I particularly like Derbyshire. I haven't read much of his writing.

    What is your ethnic background? "Heinz 57 Caucasian" is very vague. Are you Jewish? Armenian? Lebanese?

    McConaughey’s ancestry includes English, German, Irish, Scottish, and Swedish

    Can you beat that? (actually, thinking about it, a lot of ‘white british’ people are probably much the same if one includes Vikings)

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  162. @Brabantian
    US Pentagon advisor & former John Kerry staffer Kelly M Greenhill, wrote a 2011 book on 'Weapons of Mass Migration' describing what is being done to Europe today ... Greenhill recommended artificially-induced mass migrations as an excellent strategy to divide & control societies ... She gushingly documented 59 examples of refugees being used as weapons since the Second World War ... 'It's all a plot', indeed

    Irish Communist Gearóid Ó Colmáin did an interesting 11-part series of articles, 'Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism's War on Europe', published on 'Dissident Voice'. For example, Ó Colmáin writes of how Marx & Engels also confronted the 'mass migration' weapon in the 1800s ... and they totally opposed such schemes as destructive of the working class, an oligarch tool of conflict-creation & worker de-moralisation.

    In these times, there is a question as to whether publishing a book, is a way to 'expose the truth', or more of a way, in fact, to bury the truth ... given how few people read or buy books (or can even afford to buy them) ... it is a bit of an old-timer fetish to 'write a book'

    Today, it's really better to get the key points on the web ... even with running the gauntlet of censorship, search result manipulation, & outright lies by the CIA's Google & Wikipedia criminals, you have a better chance of getting the word out to those who have ears to hear ... Ó Colmáin's 11-part series could have been a 'book' but lots of us have read him, whilst we won't be seeing the tome reviewed above ... tho I suppose a 'book' does provide a pretext for articles & interviews, getting some word out indirectly, despite how the book itself is little-read

    Has no one acquainted themselves with the Kalergi-Coudenhove plan , and the recipients of the Kalergi Prize,
    Yes there is a plan to Islamize Europe and undermine it indiginous peoples and culture.

    ‘The (European) man of the future will be of mixed race. Today’s races and classes will disappear owing to the disappearing of space (nations), time, and prejudice. The Eurasian-Negroid race of the future, similar in its outward appearance to the Ancient Egyptians, will replace the diversity of peoples with a diversity of individuals”
    This, Kalergi stated, should be a plan run for and by the racial and spiritual supremacy of ‘blood aristocracy and Jewry’. These are all his crude racialist words, not mine. People should be free to mix and settle with a partner from whatever race or ethnicity they choose. But what Kalergi and the Pan European plan specifically calls out for is the deliberate use of enforced and disproportionate mass immigration, especially from non-European countries, in order to bring in a Pan European single state dictatorship and destroy the indigenous pink/white nationalities.’

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    I realised today why the EU is so important. The terms European, and each nationality within, have already been disbarred from being used as terms of ethnicity. What the EU will do on top of that is redefine and recreate European Civilisation. Thus the term European Civilisation will be lost forever from the period of European expansion and colonisation as those events will be subsumed by the term Western Civilisation. Europeans will go down in history as invaders and slavers but not as civilisation builders. It's cruel.
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  163. @Corvinus
    "I am not calling for violence at all; the original thread about this started when Corvinus replied to someone going after the elite he said “well that includes women and children.”

    I responded to woodNfish, who stated "“Western Europeans should rise up and slaughter their leaders and their families to wipe out the disease of the globalism traitors.”

    What he/she is advocating is in direct opposition to any and all moral codes, and I responded appropriately. Would you not agree?

    "so when a group of men wanted to talk about these issues – feminists called in a bomb threat and the left is silent."

    Radical feminists. There is a difference. Among feminists, there is in-fighting. Educate yourself.

    https://clairelehmann.net/2015/05/29/feminism-must-be-reclaimed-from-radicals

    https://medium.com/@See_Em_Play/left-versus-liberal-feminism-a-struggle-d31e06bfa7da

    http://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/the-case-against-contemporary-feminism

    http://www.feministcurrent.com/2016/04/19/interview-meghan-murphy-liberal-backlash-feminism/


    "the left also tolerates antifa violence the world over and is silent."

    Antifa are radicals. The Left is other than silent. Educate yourself.

    http://www.occupy.com/article/letter-american-left-antifa-not-your-friend#sthash.Lw6znK4D.dpbs

    "This brings us to a final, more philosophical point. Antifa and those who engage in black bloc tactics stand as antithetical to the sorts of liberal and progressive values once held in such high esteem by the political left. Whereas liberalism once prided itself on intellect and debate as its most powerful weapons in the fight against conservatism, fascism or other rightwing variants, the violence and destruction that Antifa have brought to the table – along with the mainstream left’s tacit if not outright support for such actions – marks a devolution in the philosophy of the left, and a failure to adequately maintain a grip on its principles."

    https://attackthesystem.com/2017/02/09/former-antifa-speaks-out-against-antifa/

    "What happened in UC Berkeley sparked me to write this expose`. I don’t particularly care for Milo Yiannapolous but I can tell you with certainty, being someone who had encountered actual neo-nazis in my life on several occasions, that this guy is not a Nazi and they know that. Antifa was just using their ‘loose association’ ideology in order to justify attacks against people with conservative ideas, because they fear the man’s ability to gain strength against them. One thing that I noticed that conservative news outlets often conceptualize inaccurately is that Antifa are merely emotional liberals who are dissatisfied with Trump’s victory. It’s important to understand that this is not the case. Antifa are not liberals by any stretch of the imagination. They are very far-left and do not align with liberal ideology. Most of the veteran Antifas I knew were in full support of Asian, Middle-Asian, African and European guerrilla revolutionaries that were fighting in communist uprisings. Namely the support of the Communist Party of India, known as Maoists, to which they gave their unconditional support to."

    The “antifa” movement was originated in Germany, such as the “green” lunacy.
    And fact is most of the destructive ideas and innovations of the last two hundred years have their roots in Deutschland, such as heroin, psychology, etc.
    And the Germans are now, due to the election of DT, at the melting point.
    They are screaming for his removal, as if these megalomaniacal fools won the war and now rule the globe.
    Just where do they, the Germans, get off meddling in internal US politics and instructing the Americans who they should or should not install as president.
    They are apparently still living by the concept of : “Am deutschen Wesen soll die Welt genesen” : The world shall heal through german inspiration.
    I now truly understand and agree with WC’s axiom of “boots or throat” regarding the Germans.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army vet, and pro Jazz musician.

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    "Just where do they, the Germans, get off meddling in internal US politics and instructing the Americans who they should or should not install as president."

    You mean Jews, not Germans. Get with the program here.
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  164. helena says:
    @Salford Lad
    Has no one acquainted themselves with the Kalergi-Coudenhove plan , and the recipients of the Kalergi Prize,
    Yes there is a plan to Islamize Europe and undermine it indiginous peoples and culture.

    'The (European) man of the future will be of mixed race. Today’s races and classes will disappear owing to the disappearing of space (nations), time, and prejudice. The Eurasian-Negroid race of the future, similar in its outward appearance to the Ancient Egyptians, will replace the diversity of peoples with a diversity of individuals”
    This, Kalergi stated, should be a plan run for and by the racial and spiritual supremacy of ‘blood aristocracy and Jewry’. These are all his crude racialist words, not mine. People should be free to mix and settle with a partner from whatever race or ethnicity they choose. But what Kalergi and the Pan European plan specifically calls out for is the deliberate use of enforced and disproportionate mass immigration, especially from non-European countries, in order to bring in a Pan European single state dictatorship and destroy the indigenous pink/white nationalities.'

    I realised today why the EU is so important. The terms European, and each nationality within, have already been disbarred from being used as terms of ethnicity. What the EU will do on top of that is redefine and recreate European Civilisation. Thus the term European Civilisation will be lost forever from the period of European expansion and colonisation as those events will be subsumed by the term Western Civilisation. Europeans will go down in history as invaders and slavers but not as civilisation builders. It’s cruel.

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  165. Corvinus says:
    @Authenticjazzman
    The "antifa" movement was originated in Germany, such as the "green" lunacy.
    And fact is most of the destructive ideas and innovations of the last two hundred years have their roots in Deutschland, such as heroin, psychology, etc.
    And the Germans are now, due to the election of DT, at the melting point.
    They are screaming for his removal, as if these megalomaniacal fools won the war and now rule the globe.
    Just where do they, the Germans, get off meddling in internal US politics and instructing the Americans who they should or should not install as president.
    They are apparently still living by the concept of : "Am deutschen Wesen soll die Welt genesen" : The world shall heal through german inspiration.
    I now truly understand and agree with WC's axiom of "boots or throat" regarding the Germans.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army vet, and pro Jazz musician.

    “Just where do they, the Germans, get off meddling in internal US politics and instructing the Americans who they should or should not install as president.”

    You mean Jews, not Germans. Get with the program here.

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  166. @Corvinus
    "I am not calling for violence at all; the original thread about this started when Corvinus replied to someone going after the elite he said “well that includes women and children.”

    I responded to woodNfish, who stated "“Western Europeans should rise up and slaughter their leaders and their families to wipe out the disease of the globalism traitors.”

    What he/she is advocating is in direct opposition to any and all moral codes, and I responded appropriately. Would you not agree?

    "so when a group of men wanted to talk about these issues – feminists called in a bomb threat and the left is silent."

    Radical feminists. There is a difference. Among feminists, there is in-fighting. Educate yourself.

    https://clairelehmann.net/2015/05/29/feminism-must-be-reclaimed-from-radicals

    https://medium.com/@See_Em_Play/left-versus-liberal-feminism-a-struggle-d31e06bfa7da

    http://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/the-case-against-contemporary-feminism

    http://www.feministcurrent.com/2016/04/19/interview-meghan-murphy-liberal-backlash-feminism/


    "the left also tolerates antifa violence the world over and is silent."

    Antifa are radicals. The Left is other than silent. Educate yourself.

    http://www.occupy.com/article/letter-american-left-antifa-not-your-friend#sthash.Lw6znK4D.dpbs

    "This brings us to a final, more philosophical point. Antifa and those who engage in black bloc tactics stand as antithetical to the sorts of liberal and progressive values once held in such high esteem by the political left. Whereas liberalism once prided itself on intellect and debate as its most powerful weapons in the fight against conservatism, fascism or other rightwing variants, the violence and destruction that Antifa have brought to the table – along with the mainstream left’s tacit if not outright support for such actions – marks a devolution in the philosophy of the left, and a failure to adequately maintain a grip on its principles."

    https://attackthesystem.com/2017/02/09/former-antifa-speaks-out-against-antifa/

    "What happened in UC Berkeley sparked me to write this expose`. I don’t particularly care for Milo Yiannapolous but I can tell you with certainty, being someone who had encountered actual neo-nazis in my life on several occasions, that this guy is not a Nazi and they know that. Antifa was just using their ‘loose association’ ideology in order to justify attacks against people with conservative ideas, because they fear the man’s ability to gain strength against them. One thing that I noticed that conservative news outlets often conceptualize inaccurately is that Antifa are merely emotional liberals who are dissatisfied with Trump’s victory. It’s important to understand that this is not the case. Antifa are not liberals by any stretch of the imagination. They are very far-left and do not align with liberal ideology. Most of the veteran Antifas I knew were in full support of Asian, Middle-Asian, African and European guerrilla revolutionaries that were fighting in communist uprisings. Namely the support of the Communist Party of India, known as Maoists, to which they gave their unconditional support to."

    No formal action by anyone in authority has ever been taken against Antifa that I am aware of. Why are they not investigated as a terror group?

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    You just jump from topic to topic when proven to be in error. That is an annoying pattern.

    "No formal action by anyone in authority has ever been taken against Antifa that I am aware of. Why are they not investigated as a terror group?"

    You are now aware.

    http://www.berkeleyside.com/2017/02/07/fbi-investigating-identities-black-clad-uc-berkeley-rioters/

    https://www.oathkeepers.org/new-jersey-homeland-security-officially-lists-antifa-terrorist-organization/

    I would imagine that you are also opposed to right-wing groups who engage in similar activities like Antifa, correct? Do you desire that "formal action" be taken against them by the authorities? Why/why not?
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  167. @peterAUS
    As always, The Question of "violence".
    And the funny exchanges.

    Some people say it's necessary to use violence to solve the current problems in the West....in open, Internet, forum.
    Bang....the rest jump on them with moral outrage, practical impossibility and any conceivable reason.....and those advocating violence retreat in shame and self-flagellation.
    On alt-sites that is.

    Neocon sites quite openly advocate use of widespread violence to achieve their goals, even use of tactical nuclear weapons.
    Progs sites....well.....how about calls to assassinate Trump just for a starter.

    And, then, we have "alt-right"...or whatever.

    Apparently, no....no violence.
    Bad...bad thing.

    So...out of curiosity....how is possible, technically , to replace a regime quite willing and capable of using violence......without using violence?

    Practically, in this world?

    Let me explain what I meant with this thread. I am saying that violence could not morally be ruled out of court seeing as though the left tolerates it with their “shock troops” but I dont think it would do any good. It is astonishing to me the level of anarcho-tyranny we see by the left on a daily and yearly basis but at the end of the day most people dont care. And by the way Corvinus, the police were called in the US when RooshV attempted to have a meetup.

    http://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/2016/02/03/ur-wants-police-case-blogger-roosh-v-holds-roc-event/79789898/

    So the left will use the police powers of the state to monitor a meetup of grown men who are neither accused or even suspected of any known crime but will not investigate any of the myriads of known racial hoaxes on publicly funded universities, the fact that antifa uses masks (which is illegal or so I understood because of the KKK), people who hold signs in london saying death to all white men, feminists who call in bomb threats to disrupt AVFM or anything else. Is it time for violence, hell yes, but no one gives a shit so what difference would it make?

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    About "violence".
    Old school approach to the issue.
    Or, better, some observations, impressions and musings about the issue.

    My...impression...is that the word and related subject have been hijacked by the "progressives".
    Like....whatever can physically hurt a human is, in essence, morally, wrong.
    It became dirty word describing morally repugnant action.

    Of course, in the world of "progs" where logic doesn't exist, it's OK to use violence against opponents. It's wrong to hate, but it's OK to hate racists for example. Violence is wrong, of course, but to get rid society of racists it's OK to use overwhelming force (SWATs etc.). Etc.
    Anyway....

    The funny thing is how the "alt-right" accepted the same approach.

    My....gut feeling...is that people most vocal about violence actually haven't had any experience with it.
    No heavy beating by parents as kids.
    No heavy beatings by members of other street gangs as teens. Or inflicting that beatings.
    No heavy questioning by police.Heavy.
    No sparring/competing in boxing/kick boxing/mma...anything that could intentionally break a nose or jaw....both sides.
    No occasional street "event" as adults (say, one each 2-3 months).Not necessarily a fight....just those moments before it kicks of (because often it doesn't, depending on...something.... but that's another topic).
    Etc.
    And that's just for "civilian" violence, but let's stick there for present discussion.
    If "you" are still reading this, ask yourself...what do you feel when watching street fight in a parking lot? Today, in era of cameras and Internet you can watch hundreds of those?
    Are you uncomfortable....or....you watch it from technical, learning point of view?
    I guarantee you, any kid from a rough neighborhood gets all what I wrote in this paragraph in instant.
    And I also guarantee you that plenty of highly intelligent PhDs don't......But PhDs can talk/write/preach/lecture about that all day.

    Isn't that funny?

    As for practical use of violence in politics, it's been done since start of politics. Aren't wars, as Clausewitz said, just extension of politics?

    There are people in "alt-right" who do understand violence quite well though and could do it in instant in the current political climate.

    But, we know the truth here.
    If people from "alt-right" try to resort to violence, as "left" and "minorities" can, with impunity, they'll get the full reaction from the state. Use or armed forces if necessary.

    So, "alt-right" is not afraid of violence as such.
    It is afraid, and with reason, of state's reaction.
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  168. Corvinus says:
    @epochehusserl
    No formal action by anyone in authority has ever been taken against Antifa that I am aware of. Why are they not investigated as a terror group?

    You just jump from topic to topic when proven to be in error. That is an annoying pattern.

    “No formal action by anyone in authority has ever been taken against Antifa that I am aware of. Why are they not investigated as a terror group?”

    You are now aware.

    http://www.berkeleyside.com/2017/02/07/fbi-investigating-identities-black-clad-uc-berkeley-rioters/

    https://www.oathkeepers.org/new-jersey-homeland-security-officially-lists-antifa-terrorist-organization/

    I would imagine that you are also opposed to right-wing groups who engage in similar activities like Antifa, correct? Do you desire that “formal action” be taken against them by the authorities? Why/why not?

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    You just jump from topic to topic when proven to be in error. That is an annoying pattern.
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    I have an annoying habit of ceasing to communicate with you when the dialogue seems pointless. For example, the distinction between radical and normal feminism doesnt mean much to me when the publicly funded flagship state university that I attend cites people such as Angela Davis in the mandatory English course I took. To such people the personal is the political and the revolution must be a lived experience.

    The Antifa website "It's going down" is still up and taking donations, as well as the NYC Antifa twitter feed. I am glad to see they are being investigated the government but no convictions or web seizures have taken place. I dont know anyone who has been arrested. It is doubtful whether or not such people would have been investigated without the election of Donald Trump.
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    It has also never been explained to me why blacks and women are allowed to have interest groups on publicly funded college campuses but whites or men cannot or why college internships can list a racial preference but I cannot form an organization listing racial preferences. Equal protection for some apparently
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    I dont know of any right wing organizations that engage in activities like antifa and no Dylan Roof is not an organization.
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  169. @Corvinus
    You just jump from topic to topic when proven to be in error. That is an annoying pattern.

    "No formal action by anyone in authority has ever been taken against Antifa that I am aware of. Why are they not investigated as a terror group?"

    You are now aware.

    http://www.berkeleyside.com/2017/02/07/fbi-investigating-identities-black-clad-uc-berkeley-rioters/

    https://www.oathkeepers.org/new-jersey-homeland-security-officially-lists-antifa-terrorist-organization/

    I would imagine that you are also opposed to right-wing groups who engage in similar activities like Antifa, correct? Do you desire that "formal action" be taken against them by the authorities? Why/why not?

    You just jump from topic to topic when proven to be in error. That is an annoying pattern.
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    I have an annoying habit of ceasing to communicate with you when the dialogue seems pointless. For example, the distinction between radical and normal feminism doesnt mean much to me when the publicly funded flagship state university that I attend cites people such as Angela Davis in the mandatory English course I took. To such people the personal is the political and the revolution must be a lived experience.

    The Antifa website “It’s going down” is still up and taking donations, as well as the NYC Antifa twitter feed. I am glad to see they are being investigated the government but no convictions or web seizures have taken place. I dont know anyone who has been arrested. It is doubtful whether or not such people would have been investigated without the election of Donald Trump.
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    It has also never been explained to me why blacks and women are allowed to have interest groups on publicly funded college campuses but whites or men cannot or why college internships can list a racial preference but I cannot form an organization listing racial preferences. Equal protection for some apparently
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    I dont know of any right wing organizations that engage in activities like antifa and no Dylan Roof is not an organization.

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    "I have an annoying habit of ceasing to communicate with you when the dialogue seems pointless."

    But I would say our dialogue is other than pointless. It makes us think about things. Regardless, agree to disagree and walk away.

    "For example, the distinction between radical and normal feminism doesnt mean much to me when the publicly funded flagship state university that I attend cites people such as Angela Davis in the mandatory English course I took. To such people the personal is the political and the revolution must be a lived experience."

    It's called college for a reason. Such individuals make people uncomfortable for a reason because they positions challenges his or her worldview. Indeed, it ought to be a lived experience because some of us are ignorant of such experiences.

    For example, I took a philosophy course my sophomore year at college. The first day of the course she made two people cry. Why? Because she was able to employ logic and reason that made them question their belief systems. They had thought they knew everything. Unfortunately, they dropped the course. The rest of us who stayed got our shit handed to us at times, but we learned to become more critical debaters.

    "The Antifa website “It’s going down” is still up and taking donations, as well as the NYC Antifa twitter feed. I am glad to see they are being investigated the government but no convictions or web seizures have taken place."

    It's called free speech. Until they actually engage in violence they cannot be arrested merely for touting their views.

    "It is doubtful whether or not such people would have been investigated without the election of Donald Trump."

    I do not share your pessimism. Regardless, they should be arrested and charged...when they commit a violence act.

    "It has also never been explained to me why blacks and women are allowed to have interest groups on publicly funded college campuses but whites or men cannot or why college internships can list a racial preference but I cannot form an organization listing racial preferences."

    Actually, you can form such a group. They are called "White Student Unions".

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Student_Unions

    "I dont know of any right wing organizations that engage in activities like antifa and no Dylan Roof is not an organization."

    Neo-Nazi groups are similar to antifa.

    There are right-wing groups who have formed in opposition to antifa.

    https://sisypheannews.com/2017/07/25/the-state-of-anti-antifa-action-the-right-wing-and-the-struggle-against-fascism/

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  170. peterAUS says:
    @epochehusserl
    Let me explain what I meant with this thread. I am saying that violence could not morally be ruled out of court seeing as though the left tolerates it with their "shock troops" but I dont think it would do any good. It is astonishing to me the level of anarcho-tyranny we see by the left on a daily and yearly basis but at the end of the day most people dont care. And by the way Corvinus, the police were called in the US when RooshV attempted to have a meetup.

    http://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/2016/02/03/ur-wants-police-case-blogger-roosh-v-holds-roc-event/79789898/

    So the left will use the police powers of the state to monitor a meetup of grown men who are neither accused or even suspected of any known crime but will not investigate any of the myriads of known racial hoaxes on publicly funded universities, the fact that antifa uses masks (which is illegal or so I understood because of the KKK), people who hold signs in london saying death to all white men, feminists who call in bomb threats to disrupt AVFM or anything else. Is it time for violence, hell yes, but no one gives a shit so what difference would it make?

    About “violence”.
    Old school approach to the issue.
    Or, better, some observations, impressions and musings about the issue.

    My…impression…is that the word and related subject have been hijacked by the “progressives”.
    Like….whatever can physically hurt a human is, in essence, morally, wrong.
    It became dirty word describing morally repugnant action.

    Of course, in the world of “progs” where logic doesn’t exist, it’s OK to use violence against opponents. It’s wrong to hate, but it’s OK to hate racists for example. Violence is wrong, of course, but to get rid society of racists it’s OK to use overwhelming force (SWATs etc.). Etc.
    Anyway….

    The funny thing is how the “alt-right” accepted the same approach.

    My….gut feeling…is that people most vocal about violence actually haven’t had any experience with it.
    No heavy beating by parents as kids.
    No heavy beatings by members of other street gangs as teens. Or inflicting that beatings.
    No heavy questioning by police.Heavy.
    No sparring/competing in boxing/kick boxing/mma…anything that could intentionally break a nose or jaw….both sides.
    No occasional street “event” as adults (say, one each 2-3 months).Not necessarily a fight….just those moments before it kicks of (because often it doesn’t, depending on…something…. but that’s another topic).
    Etc.
    And that’s just for “civilian” violence, but let’s stick there for present discussion.
    If “you” are still reading this, ask yourself…what do you feel when watching street fight in a parking lot? Today, in era of cameras and Internet you can watch hundreds of those?
    Are you uncomfortable….or….you watch it from technical, learning point of view?
    I guarantee you, any kid from a rough neighborhood gets all what I wrote in this paragraph in instant.
    And I also guarantee you that plenty of highly intelligent PhDs don’t……But PhDs can talk/write/preach/lecture about that all day.

    Isn’t that funny?

    As for practical use of violence in politics, it’s been done since start of politics. Aren’t wars, as Clausewitz said, just extension of politics?

    There are people in “alt-right” who do understand violence quite well though and could do it in instant in the current political climate.

    But, we know the truth here.
    If people from “alt-right” try to resort to violence, as “left” and “minorities” can, with impunity, they’ll get the full reaction from the state. Use or armed forces if necessary.

    So, “alt-right” is not afraid of violence as such.
    It is afraid, and with reason, of state’s reaction.

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    Like I was saying earlier, the left is in control of the government and the left will tolerate all sorts of things for approved victim groups that it will not tolerate from non-victim groups. The people who could do something about this, baby boomers really only care about preserving entitlements.
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  171. @peterAUS
    About "violence".
    Old school approach to the issue.
    Or, better, some observations, impressions and musings about the issue.

    My...impression...is that the word and related subject have been hijacked by the "progressives".
    Like....whatever can physically hurt a human is, in essence, morally, wrong.
    It became dirty word describing morally repugnant action.

    Of course, in the world of "progs" where logic doesn't exist, it's OK to use violence against opponents. It's wrong to hate, but it's OK to hate racists for example. Violence is wrong, of course, but to get rid society of racists it's OK to use overwhelming force (SWATs etc.). Etc.
    Anyway....

    The funny thing is how the "alt-right" accepted the same approach.

    My....gut feeling...is that people most vocal about violence actually haven't had any experience with it.
    No heavy beating by parents as kids.
    No heavy beatings by members of other street gangs as teens. Or inflicting that beatings.
    No heavy questioning by police.Heavy.
    No sparring/competing in boxing/kick boxing/mma...anything that could intentionally break a nose or jaw....both sides.
    No occasional street "event" as adults (say, one each 2-3 months).Not necessarily a fight....just those moments before it kicks of (because often it doesn't, depending on...something.... but that's another topic).
    Etc.
    And that's just for "civilian" violence, but let's stick there for present discussion.
    If "you" are still reading this, ask yourself...what do you feel when watching street fight in a parking lot? Today, in era of cameras and Internet you can watch hundreds of those?
    Are you uncomfortable....or....you watch it from technical, learning point of view?
    I guarantee you, any kid from a rough neighborhood gets all what I wrote in this paragraph in instant.
    And I also guarantee you that plenty of highly intelligent PhDs don't......But PhDs can talk/write/preach/lecture about that all day.

    Isn't that funny?

    As for practical use of violence in politics, it's been done since start of politics. Aren't wars, as Clausewitz said, just extension of politics?

    There are people in "alt-right" who do understand violence quite well though and could do it in instant in the current political climate.

    But, we know the truth here.
    If people from "alt-right" try to resort to violence, as "left" and "minorities" can, with impunity, they'll get the full reaction from the state. Use or armed forces if necessary.

    So, "alt-right" is not afraid of violence as such.
    It is afraid, and with reason, of state's reaction.

    Like I was saying earlier, the left is in control of the government and the left will tolerate all sorts of things for approved victim groups that it will not tolerate from non-victim groups. The people who could do something about this, baby boomers really only care about preserving entitlements.

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  172. @peterAUS
    As always, The Question of "violence".
    And the funny exchanges.

    Some people say it's necessary to use violence to solve the current problems in the West....in open, Internet, forum.
    Bang....the rest jump on them with moral outrage, practical impossibility and any conceivable reason.....and those advocating violence retreat in shame and self-flagellation.
    On alt-sites that is.

    Neocon sites quite openly advocate use of widespread violence to achieve their goals, even use of tactical nuclear weapons.
    Progs sites....well.....how about calls to assassinate Trump just for a starter.

    And, then, we have "alt-right"...or whatever.

    Apparently, no....no violence.
    Bad...bad thing.

    So...out of curiosity....how is possible, technically , to replace a regime quite willing and capable of using violence......without using violence?

    Practically, in this world?

    So…out of curiosity….how is possible, technically , to replace a regime quite willing and capable of using violence……without using violence?

    Practically, in this world?
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    You have to have ideas and a presence that are so superior to anything else available that even people who dislike you for other reasons say to themselves: this person knows how things should be organized, I think I would be able to reach my life’s goals because of this.
    A good Alt-Right platform would include:
    1. getting rid of affirmative action and disparate impact. allow large employers to use afqt to select candidates if they so desire.
    2. legalizing marijuana at the federal level
    3. having the fed, the treasury and wall street work with main street to develop better financial products
    4. focus on rebuilding the family as an economic unit and structure the tax system accordingly. people would rather work with friends and family rather than a large organization
    5. insist that social reformers focus on creating better quality educational programs rather than worrrying about the relative social status of their group. for example, programs should be developed for the blockchain, 3d printing, the internet of things, derivatives trading, debt collection, home renovation, and jewelry.
    6. work towards energy nationalism. encourage charged batteries of sufficient size be listed on a futures exchange, encourage scrubbing technologies for coal be improved
    7. develop a methodology for the automation of scientific experiments
    8. celebrating both nature and man’s accomplishments
    9. working towards developing new types of art using advancements in materials science
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    of course our population is not interested in the above. we instead focus on violent student protesting of people who believe that IQ tests matter and that bathrooms should be gender segregated.

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  173. Corvinus says:
    @epochehusserl
    You just jump from topic to topic when proven to be in error. That is an annoying pattern.
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    I have an annoying habit of ceasing to communicate with you when the dialogue seems pointless. For example, the distinction between radical and normal feminism doesnt mean much to me when the publicly funded flagship state university that I attend cites people such as Angela Davis in the mandatory English course I took. To such people the personal is the political and the revolution must be a lived experience.

    The Antifa website "It's going down" is still up and taking donations, as well as the NYC Antifa twitter feed. I am glad to see they are being investigated the government but no convictions or web seizures have taken place. I dont know anyone who has been arrested. It is doubtful whether or not such people would have been investigated without the election of Donald Trump.
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    It has also never been explained to me why blacks and women are allowed to have interest groups on publicly funded college campuses but whites or men cannot or why college internships can list a racial preference but I cannot form an organization listing racial preferences. Equal protection for some apparently
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    I dont know of any right wing organizations that engage in activities like antifa and no Dylan Roof is not an organization.

    “I have an annoying habit of ceasing to communicate with you when the dialogue seems pointless.”

    But I would say our dialogue is other than pointless. It makes us think about things. Regardless, agree to disagree and walk away.

    “For example, the distinction between radical and normal feminism doesnt mean much to me when the publicly funded flagship state university that I attend cites people such as Angela Davis in the mandatory English course I took. To such people the personal is the political and the revolution must be a lived experience.”

    It’s called college for a reason. Such individuals make people uncomfortable for a reason because they positions challenges his or her worldview. Indeed, it ought to be a lived experience because some of us are ignorant of such experiences.

    For example, I took a philosophy course my sophomore year at college. The first day of the course she made two people cry. Why? Because she was able to employ logic and reason that made them question their belief systems. They had thought they knew everything. Unfortunately, they dropped the course. The rest of us who stayed got our shit handed to us at times, but we learned to become more critical debaters.

    “The Antifa website “It’s going down” is still up and taking donations, as well as the NYC Antifa twitter feed. I am glad to see they are being investigated the government but no convictions or web seizures have taken place.”

    It’s called free speech. Until they actually engage in violence they cannot be arrested merely for touting their views.

    “It is doubtful whether or not such people would have been investigated without the election of Donald Trump.”

    I do not share your pessimism. Regardless, they should be arrested and charged…when they commit a violence act.

    “It has also never been explained to me why blacks and women are allowed to have interest groups on publicly funded college campuses but whites or men cannot or why college internships can list a racial preference but I cannot form an organization listing racial preferences.”

    Actually, you can form such a group. They are called “White Student Unions”.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Student_Unions

    “I dont know of any right wing organizations that engage in activities like antifa and no Dylan Roof is not an organization.”

    Neo-Nazi groups are similar to antifa.

    There are right-wing groups who have formed in opposition to antifa.

    https://sisypheannews.com/2017/07/25/the-state-of-anti-antifa-action-the-right-wing-and-the-struggle-against-fascism/

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    “For example, the distinction between radical and normal feminism doesnt mean much to me when the publicly funded flagship state university that I attend cites people such as Angela Davis in the mandatory English course I took. To such people the personal is the political and the revolution must be a lived experience.”

    It’s called college for a reason. Such individuals make people uncomfortable for a reason because they positions challenges his or her worldview. Indeed, it ought to be a lived experience because some of us are ignorant of such experiences.
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    The left controls the academy and media and has for quite some time. We never hear the arguments against MLK or the civil rights act. Most young people are quite unaware that there were civil rights acts before MLK or that there was a well established slave trade before the Portuguese and other Europeans arrived in West Africa.

    “It has also never been explained to me why blacks and women are allowed to have interest groups on publicly funded college campuses but whites or men cannot or why college internships can list a racial preference but I cannot form an organization listing racial preferences.”

    Actually, you can form such a group. They are called “White Student Unions”.
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    White Student Unions are allowed to list a racial preference for internships like black campus organizations do?
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  174. @Pat the Rat
    Murray is gay.

    This will always make him an apologist for the current system.

    Because at its heart our system is a decadent sexually corrupt dystopia which pits homosexual men, abortion loving women and feral promiscuous men against all the rest.

    With the help of media and academia and the unions these groups have been persuading us for years that these "freedoms", and they are the "freedoms" Obama loved to mention, are simply a step on the road to utopia.

    Unfortunately building society on the blood of millions of unborn children, countless smashed families and a growing, ever growing list of gender weirdness and predation is not and never will work out.

    The west has been eaten from the inside out by evil sexually corrupt decadence.

    And it is not only the blood of millions of unborn children sacrificed on the altar of Molech feminism which is a pillar of our society, but endless immigration to be the children we never had, and endless amounts of vast welfare to try and ameliorate the societal damage of broken families. Go to Baltimore to see where this all leads.

    Unfortunately our society is in vast death spiral and no one will speak the obvious, because they all love their "freedoms".

    Well said. One of those “obvious” things – and in my view the most absolutely fundamental, essential and unavoidable single element for our vital understanding, is the precise ethnic identity, ultimate cultural goal, and blood-soaked, ruthless, deranged, White-hating insanity and satanic malice of those directly and deliberately responsible for everything you have stated. Jewish cultural marxism, arising directly from the “work” of a bunch of hidebound, retarded, morally-dead, racist Jewish “sociologists” known collectively as the “Frankfurt Group”, has been and still is solely responsible for all the spiritual evils which gave rise to the disgusting, dying decadence and moral corruptions which we in the West now have in our midst day by day, and in which we are drowning. Therefore there can be no forward progress, change, improvement or remedy for our dying illness until every one of those responsible for the international ethnic cultural poison which is killing us all is finally openly identified, and removed permanently from our midst.

    You will become the greatest national and international hero in the history of the civilised world and of dying White society if you can identify and widely publicise precisely how that work should proceed, at the earliest possible time.

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  175. @Bragadocious
    Talking to Europeans, I don't get the sense that they're racked with guilt. They're actually full of anger, not at their own elites, but at America, for not eagerly embracing their narratives. If you bring up the Islam thing, and the crime, they roll their eyes like you're some kind of Fox News kool-aid drinker. I've actually had Swedes tell me to my face that news about Muslim crime there is entirely made up. Then they'll change the subject to gun crime in Chicago. These are people who are fully invested in their own dispossession, and I have no sympathy for them. They deserve what they get.

    Understood. But you’re missing something critical.

    It’s called “massive, ongoing, deliberate, ruthless, malicious, murderous Jewish cultural marxist brainwashing from every conceivable avenue of society”, ie Hollywood, mass media, fashion and culture outlets, every single radio and television station, and worst of all, apparently “honest”, traditionally truthful, caring White-based family , neighbours, frineds and workmates who are all 100% brain-dead from the same corrupting, corrosive, murderous, Jewish ideology.

    How much hope, honestly, do you think “ordinary” trusting, half-ignorant people have of resisting this kind of all-encompassing societal pressure to conform to the prevailaing madness.

    The moral guilt lies with those who sell the poison, not with those who swallow it.

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    “massive, ongoing, deliberate, ruthless, malicious, murderous Jewish cultural marxist brainwashing from every conceivable avenue of society”

    Agreed.
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  176. @Tipsy
    Even our art, particularly movies, seem to be centered around either WWII, the Noble and Tragic American Indian, and the horrors of slavery and the American South. All negative foundational myths.

    And ALL key cultural LIES promoted by international organised Jewry, with the sole goal to undermine, weaken, corrupt and destroy White society by pathological self-hating moral guilt for atrocities which never happened.

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  177. @Dr. X

    An interesting question is why Europeans are so susceptible to this “moral intoxicant.” Plenty of other peoples—well-nigh all, I think—have historical crimes on their record, but don’t go around lamenting the fact.
     
    The Jews sure don't -- they celebrate the slaughter of their enemies on religious holidays like Purim and Passover.

    Which is, of course, because it’s one rule for Jews – and a different rule for everyone else. Just a standard perfect example of moral-free, hypocritical, hair-splitting Talmudic synagogue-of-Satan evil at its most powerful and pernicious.

    “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees. You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside, but on the inside are full of dead men’s bones and every sort of unclean thing” – Matthew Ch. 23, v. 27

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  178. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Dave Bowman
    Understood. But you're missing something critical.

    It's called "massive, ongoing, deliberate, ruthless, malicious, murderous Jewish cultural marxist brainwashing from every conceivable avenue of society", ie Hollywood, mass media, fashion and culture outlets, every single radio and television station, and worst of all, apparently "honest", traditionally truthful, caring White-based family , neighbours, frineds and workmates who are all 100% brain-dead from the same corrupting, corrosive, murderous, Jewish ideology.

    How much hope, honestly, do you think "ordinary" trusting, half-ignorant people have of resisting this kind of all-encompassing societal pressure to conform to the prevailaing madness.

    The moral guilt lies with those who sell the poison, not with those who swallow it.

    “massive, ongoing, deliberate, ruthless, malicious, murderous Jewish cultural marxist brainwashing from every conceivable avenue of society”

    Agreed.

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  179. Talha says:
    @Clyde
    Muslims overshoot the mark and go crazy on it from time to time. But you do have your women under control. Once again, you overdo it in some ways but at least the Muslim women are not out in public places looking like trollops. I like to see female sexual display in public. It was reasonable enough until the 1960s in America. It has gone crazy since the 1980s when Madonna started making videos wearing lingerie and nothing else. The short short skirts of today are ridiculous.
    But its a younger generation that will do what it will do.

    Hey Clyde,

    out in public places looking like trollops

    Was recently in sunny SoCal, visiting family – non-Muslim women were letting it all hang out. This was pretty much regardless of any kind of self-consciousness too – women who look like they could benefit from losing 50-60 pounds apparently want to wear the same clothes as their teenage daughters. They worst seem to be Asian women around these parts – if women are wearing short shorts, they are doing the same and shaving off a few inches. Whatever…they have parents, their life, not mine.

    I like to see female sexual display in public.

    That’s fine – then one simply has to deal with the consequences…do you have daughters? Do you care if men stare at them like wolves stare at slabs of meat?

    The short short skirts of today are ridiculous.

    And the dress of the people in the 1950s was ridiculous for the people a few decades before them:

    http://mashable.com/2015/05/27/swimsuit-police/#OdfzTLrDAgq3

    There are a few competing restaurant bars around our Chicago area whose main draw (from their billboard ads) is young buxom women in revealing tops and short skirts. One billboard basically had little more than its title and a shot of a young female serving two large glasses of beer with her cleavage in the background (and some witty line about jugs or something) – that was literally it – breasts and beer (not even a face). She was daddy’s little princess at one time; I wonder if she ever pointed that billboard out to him and said – hey dad, those are mine!

    One of the problems I see is that folks around these forums talk about cucks all the time
    – but you need those cucks around so that they don’t get in the way of you ogling their wives and daughters. You just don’t want to extend the same privileges to darkies.

    A decade from now maybe this may seem quaint and old-fashioned and the men will talk about how the ubiquity of thongs in public is a blight on our once-great nation. Once you start with the premise that you began with – I like to see female sexual display in public – this is the road you follow, it is only a matter of how long it takes to get to the destination.

    “If you want to destroy any nation without war, create adultery or nudity common in the young generation.” – a saying attributed to Salahuddin Ayyubi (ra)

    I wonder when women will start asking for the right to jog topless in public – I see men doing it all the time – down with the patriarchy!!! LOL! Welcome to the verge…

    Peace.

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    They worst seem to be Asian women around these parts – if women are wearing short shorts, they are doing the same and shaving off a few inches. Whatever…they have parents, their life, not mine.
     
    Lets have some fun here. What Asians are you referring to. My take is Chinese not so much. With Filipinas and Viets much and others too.
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  180. @Corvinus
    "I have an annoying habit of ceasing to communicate with you when the dialogue seems pointless."

    But I would say our dialogue is other than pointless. It makes us think about things. Regardless, agree to disagree and walk away.

    "For example, the distinction between radical and normal feminism doesnt mean much to me when the publicly funded flagship state university that I attend cites people such as Angela Davis in the mandatory English course I took. To such people the personal is the political and the revolution must be a lived experience."

    It's called college for a reason. Such individuals make people uncomfortable for a reason because they positions challenges his or her worldview. Indeed, it ought to be a lived experience because some of us are ignorant of such experiences.

    For example, I took a philosophy course my sophomore year at college. The first day of the course she made two people cry. Why? Because she was able to employ logic and reason that made them question their belief systems. They had thought they knew everything. Unfortunately, they dropped the course. The rest of us who stayed got our shit handed to us at times, but we learned to become more critical debaters.

    "The Antifa website “It’s going down” is still up and taking donations, as well as the NYC Antifa twitter feed. I am glad to see they are being investigated the government but no convictions or web seizures have taken place."

    It's called free speech. Until they actually engage in violence they cannot be arrested merely for touting their views.

    "It is doubtful whether or not such people would have been investigated without the election of Donald Trump."

    I do not share your pessimism. Regardless, they should be arrested and charged...when they commit a violence act.

    "It has also never been explained to me why blacks and women are allowed to have interest groups on publicly funded college campuses but whites or men cannot or why college internships can list a racial preference but I cannot form an organization listing racial preferences."

    Actually, you can form such a group. They are called "White Student Unions".

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Student_Unions

    "I dont know of any right wing organizations that engage in activities like antifa and no Dylan Roof is not an organization."

    Neo-Nazi groups are similar to antifa.

    There are right-wing groups who have formed in opposition to antifa.

    https://sisypheannews.com/2017/07/25/the-state-of-anti-antifa-action-the-right-wing-and-the-struggle-against-fascism/

    “For example, the distinction between radical and normal feminism doesnt mean much to me when the publicly funded flagship state university that I attend cites people such as Angela Davis in the mandatory English course I took. To such people the personal is the political and the revolution must be a lived experience.”

    It’s called college for a reason. Such individuals make people uncomfortable for a reason because they positions challenges his or her worldview. Indeed, it ought to be a lived experience because some of us are ignorant of such experiences.
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    The left controls the academy and media and has for quite some time. We never hear the arguments against MLK or the civil rights act. Most young people are quite unaware that there were civil rights acts before MLK or that there was a well established slave trade before the Portuguese and other Europeans arrived in West Africa.

    “It has also never been explained to me why blacks and women are allowed to have interest groups on publicly funded college campuses but whites or men cannot or why college internships can list a racial preference but I cannot form an organization listing racial preferences.”

    Actually, you can form such a group. They are called “White Student Unions”.
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    The Antifa website “It’s going down” is still up and taking donations, as well as the NYC Antifa twitter feed. I am glad to see they are being investigated the government but no convictions or web seizures have taken place.”

    It’s called free speech. Until they actually engage in violence they cannot be arrested merely for touting their views.
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    Earlier in the conversation you said that Antifa was designated a terror group which engages in violence. Now they are not a terror group. Even The Atlantic had an article about antifa:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/09/the-rise-of-the-violent-left/534192/

    But in the name of protecting the vulnerable, antifascists have granted themselves the authority to decide which Americans may publicly assemble and which may not.

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  181. @Anonymous

    What all the wise men promised has not happened, and what all the damned fools said would happen has come to pass.
     
    What he said.

    Good show, Darby! Well-written and properly discursive.

    Plus, you avoided temptation of "wrought", and deployed the correct past participle.

    A modestly-restrained tendency to start sentences with "but" has its uses, one being it is an "alert" word, informing the reader that contrast approaches, just as "plus" informs the reader that additional useful, perhaps subjective information follows.

    ‘Wrought’ works just as well as ‘wreaked’.

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  182. @epochehusserl
    “For example, the distinction between radical and normal feminism doesnt mean much to me when the publicly funded flagship state university that I attend cites people such as Angela Davis in the mandatory English course I took. To such people the personal is the political and the revolution must be a lived experience.”

    It’s called college for a reason. Such individuals make people uncomfortable for a reason because they positions challenges his or her worldview. Indeed, it ought to be a lived experience because some of us are ignorant of such experiences.
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    The left controls the academy and media and has for quite some time. We never hear the arguments against MLK or the civil rights act. Most young people are quite unaware that there were civil rights acts before MLK or that there was a well established slave trade before the Portuguese and other Europeans arrived in West Africa.

    “It has also never been explained to me why blacks and women are allowed to have interest groups on publicly funded college campuses but whites or men cannot or why college internships can list a racial preference but I cannot form an organization listing racial preferences.”

    Actually, you can form such a group. They are called “White Student Unions”.
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    White Student Unions are allowed to list a racial preference for internships like black campus organizations do?

    The Antifa website “It’s going down” is still up and taking donations, as well as the NYC Antifa twitter feed. I am glad to see they are being investigated the government but no convictions or web seizures have taken place.”

    It’s called free speech. Until they actually engage in violence they cannot be arrested merely for touting their views.
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    Earlier in the conversation you said that Antifa was designated a terror group which engages in violence. Now they are not a terror group. Even The Atlantic had an article about antifa:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/09/the-rise-of-the-violent-left/534192/

    But in the name of protecting the vulnerable, antifascists have granted themselves the authority to decide which Americans may publicly assemble and which may not.

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  183. Clyde says:
    @Talha
    Hey Clyde,

    out in public places looking like trollops
     
    Was recently in sunny SoCal, visiting family - non-Muslim women were letting it all hang out. This was pretty much regardless of any kind of self-consciousness too - women who look like they could benefit from losing 50-60 pounds apparently want to wear the same clothes as their teenage daughters. They worst seem to be Asian women around these parts - if women are wearing short shorts, they are doing the same and shaving off a few inches. Whatever...they have parents, their life, not mine.

    I like to see female sexual display in public.
     
    That's fine - then one simply has to deal with the consequences...do you have daughters? Do you care if men stare at them like wolves stare at slabs of meat?

    The short short skirts of today are ridiculous.
     
    And the dress of the people in the 1950s was ridiculous for the people a few decades before them:
    http://mashable.com/2015/05/27/swimsuit-police/#OdfzTLrDAgq3

    There are a few competing restaurant bars around our Chicago area whose main draw (from their billboard ads) is young buxom women in revealing tops and short skirts. One billboard basically had little more than its title and a shot of a young female serving two large glasses of beer with her cleavage in the background (and some witty line about jugs or something) - that was literally it - breasts and beer (not even a face). She was daddy's little princess at one time; I wonder if she ever pointed that billboard out to him and said - hey dad, those are mine!

    One of the problems I see is that folks around these forums talk about cucks all the time
    - but you need those cucks around so that they don't get in the way of you ogling their wives and daughters. You just don't want to extend the same privileges to darkies.

    A decade from now maybe this may seem quaint and old-fashioned and the men will talk about how the ubiquity of thongs in public is a blight on our once-great nation. Once you start with the premise that you began with - I like to see female sexual display in public - this is the road you follow, it is only a matter of how long it takes to get to the destination.

    "If you want to destroy any nation without war, create adultery or nudity common in the young generation." - a saying attributed to Salahuddin Ayyubi (ra)

    I wonder when women will start asking for the right to jog topless in public - I see men doing it all the time - down with the patriarchy!!! LOL! Welcome to the verge...

    Peace.

    They worst seem to be Asian women around these parts – if women are wearing short shorts, they are doing the same and shaving off a few inches. Whatever…they have parents, their life, not mine.

    Lets have some fun here. What Asians are you referring to. My take is Chinese not so much. With Filipinas and Viets much and others too.

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    Hey Clyde,

    Good question- don't know honestly. The ones I've come across showing the most skin around places like Irvine have been lighter colored ones. Not that the darker colored Asians dress any more modestly - take it for what it's worth since it's only my personal experience.

    I remember my experience being roughly the same at UCLA almost 20 years ago with respect to the various ethnicities - only now the clothes seem to be tighter and slightly smaller.

    Peace.
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  184. Corvinus says:

    “The left controls the academy and media and has for quite some time.”

    Corrected for accuracy–> People control the universities and media.

    “We never hear the arguments against MLK or the civil rights act.”

    Corrected for accuracy –> There have been arguments made by conservatives, including whites, who opposed the Civil Rights Acts for the past 50 years.

    “Most young people are quite unaware that there were civil rights acts before MLK or that there was a well established slave trade before the Portuguese and other Europeans arrived in West Africa.”

    You are stating an opinion here. Do you have any evidence that supports your assertion?

    “White Student Unions are allowed to list a racial preference for internships like black campus organizations do?”

    Obviously, if it is a White Student Union, they can list a racial preference for internships.

    “Earlier in the conversation you said that Antifa was designated a terror group which engages in violence. Now they are not a terror group. ”

    New Jersey Homeland Security, not I, officially listed it as a terror group. That designation from what I know still stands. Just because the article neglected to mention this fact does not mean antifa is no longer on the list.

    “But in the name of protecting the vulnerable, antifascists have granted themselves the authority to decide which Americans may publicly assemble and which may not.”

    They can claim they are Moses, they, along with those on the right that engage in violent acts, are not above the law.

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  185. Talha says:
    @Clyde

    They worst seem to be Asian women around these parts – if women are wearing short shorts, they are doing the same and shaving off a few inches. Whatever…they have parents, their life, not mine.
     
    Lets have some fun here. What Asians are you referring to. My take is Chinese not so much. With Filipinas and Viets much and others too.

    Hey Clyde,

    Good question- don’t know honestly. The ones I’ve come across showing the most skin around places like Irvine have been lighter colored ones. Not that the darker colored Asians dress any more modestly – take it for what it’s worth since it’s only my personal experience.

    I remember my experience being roughly the same at UCLA almost 20 years ago with respect to the various ethnicities – only now the clothes seem to be tighter and slightly smaller.

    Peace.

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    as far as the issue of throwing acid it is becoming more common in London

    UK: Acid Attacks Now at ‘Epidemic Levels’, Says Burns Surgeon

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/08/07/acid-attacks-now-epidemic-levels-says-essex-burns-surgeon/

    ah the benefits of diversity.
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  186. New Jersey Homeland Security, not I, officially listed it as a terror group. That designation from what I know still stands. Just because the article neglected to mention this fact does not mean antifa is no longer on the list.

    “But in the name of protecting the vulnerable, antifascists have granted themselves the authority to decide which Americans may publicly assemble and which may not.”

    They can claim they are Moses, they, along with those on the right that engage in violent acts, are not above the law.
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    If they are listed as a terror group then they should have their website and twitter handle seized along with their assets. Why were they not investigated by the government prior to Trump obtaining office

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    "If they are listed as a terror group then they should have their website and twitter handle seized along with their assets. Why were they not investigated by the government prior to Trump obtaining office."

    The problem is that there is NOT just one exclusive organization. Self-described Antifa groups have been established across the United States and in several major cities. They organize themselves on social media by coordinating regionally. There are three loosely organized chapters in New Jersey, known as the North Jersey Antifa, the South Jersey Antifa, and the HubCity Antifa New Brunswick (Middlesex County). From what I gather, they do not have a specific website, or a mailing address, or a "clubhouse" by which law enforcement can shut it down.
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  187. Ben Frank says:

    In the atmosphere, warm air from the equator naturally rises, flows north and drops at a higher latitude. See:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadley_cell

    Similar effect for people. Many millions are produced near the equator, and naturally want to move north where economies are better. If allowed they will replace the northern populations.

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  188. Corvinus says:
    @epochehusserl
    New Jersey Homeland Security, not I, officially listed it as a terror group. That designation from what I know still stands. Just because the article neglected to mention this fact does not mean antifa is no longer on the list.

    “But in the name of protecting the vulnerable, antifascists have granted themselves the authority to decide which Americans may publicly assemble and which may not.”

    They can claim they are Moses, they, along with those on the right that engage in violent acts, are not above the law.
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    If they are listed as a terror group then they should have their website and twitter handle seized along with their assets. Why were they not investigated by the government prior to Trump obtaining office

    “If they are listed as a terror group then they should have their website and twitter handle seized along with their assets. Why were they not investigated by the government prior to Trump obtaining office.”

    The problem is that there is NOT just one exclusive organization. Self-described Antifa groups have been established across the United States and in several major cities. They organize themselves on social media by coordinating regionally. There are three loosely organized chapters in New Jersey, known as the North Jersey Antifa, the South Jersey Antifa, and the HubCity Antifa New Brunswick (Middlesex County). From what I gather, they do not have a specific website, or a mailing address, or a “clubhouse” by which law enforcement can shut it down.

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    if websites, twitter handles, po boxes, or cryptocurrency addresses are used to coordinate violent behavior the federal government has tools to investigate and shut such people down.
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  189. @Talha
    Hey Clyde,

    Good question- don't know honestly. The ones I've come across showing the most skin around places like Irvine have been lighter colored ones. Not that the darker colored Asians dress any more modestly - take it for what it's worth since it's only my personal experience.

    I remember my experience being roughly the same at UCLA almost 20 years ago with respect to the various ethnicities - only now the clothes seem to be tighter and slightly smaller.

    Peace.

    as far as the issue of throwing acid it is becoming more common in London

    UK: Acid Attacks Now at ‘Epidemic Levels’, Says Burns Surgeon

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/08/07/acid-attacks-now-epidemic-levels-says-essex-burns-surgeon/

    ah the benefits of diversity.

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  190. @Corvinus
    "If they are listed as a terror group then they should have their website and twitter handle seized along with their assets. Why were they not investigated by the government prior to Trump obtaining office."

    The problem is that there is NOT just one exclusive organization. Self-described Antifa groups have been established across the United States and in several major cities. They organize themselves on social media by coordinating regionally. There are three loosely organized chapters in New Jersey, known as the North Jersey Antifa, the South Jersey Antifa, and the HubCity Antifa New Brunswick (Middlesex County). From what I gather, they do not have a specific website, or a mailing address, or a "clubhouse" by which law enforcement can shut it down.

    if websites, twitter handles, po boxes, or cryptocurrency addresses are used to coordinate violent behavior the federal government has tools to investigate and shut such people down.

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  191. Corvinus says:

    “if websites, twitter handles, po boxes, or cryptocurrency addresses are used to coordinate violent behavior the federal government has tools to investigate and shut such people down.”

    Ok, we agree. “Virtual policing” is a relatively new phenomenon. Police departments have real-time crime centers that track dozens of sites daily in a room filled with video monitors. But it may not be as simple as you think–the antifa have ways to avoid police detection on social media, and the police have to follow specific procedures to procure evidence.

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  192. @ThreeCranes
    From your link, John, to the speech by Vaclav Klaus, former president of Czech Republic and defender of national sovereignty, "Let us not give in to blackmail that uses the threat of terminating European subsidies. We do not need subsidies, and we do not want them."

    The modus operandi of the Atlanticists is to offer money, basically a credit card, to the unsuspecting victim which gives them the right to charge all the stuff they want from the department store that is the American or European economy. The eager recipient runs up a bill and is then on the hook. When economic times grow lean and/or their economy (like Greece's) just isn't able to produce enough exportable goods to offset trade deficits the IMF steps in with emergency loans. Now the debtor nation is truly at the mercy of the bankers who impose severity, force the sale of nationalized sectors of the economy to foreign creditors, put a Goldman Sachs man in as head of Treasury to insure that there's no hanky panky with printing funny money to pay back the loans etc.

    And the bankers can say, with a straight face, "Hey, we didn't force them to borrow beyond their means. It's not our fault that they are insolvent".

    But they did and it is. They force them to comply with their demands for social reform e.g. taking in hordes of Muslims, by locking them out of international credit markets. To resist this pressure, the target country would have to be completely self sufficient and that is anathema to the Ivy League economists who deliver sermons on it yearly, labeling it autarky.

    Some say that Hitler, Saddam Hussein and Ghadaffi (and now Putin) had to be destroyed because they had the temerity to fund their respective country's rise through internal financing, that is, without recourse to international finance markets. Perhaps this is true. I'm not enough of an economist to know what to believe. But the evidence is certainly there. The puzzle piece fits.

    Certainly a key element of the North's victory over the South in the Civil War was the South's inability to get credit from the British or French bankers. Without credit they could not purchase guns, cannons and powder from foreign industrial manufacturers. The South had not a single iron smelting facility, forge or machine works capable of manufacturing weapons. They had no chemical plant that could manufacture gunpowder.

    Thinking to force British bankers to cough up loans, the South, for the first year of the war, refused to ship cotton to England--and this was before the Federal blockade was effective. The South reasoned that the English mills were so dependent on Southern raw cotton that they would not allow English production to stall because this would result in unacceptably high unemployment and loss of trade.

    The strategy backfired because the English proceeded to develop their cotton supplies in Egypt. By the time the South realized their error, it was too late. The threat to withhold cotton from the market was toothless.

    Without credit the South could not buy arms. Without arms they were doomed.

    So while Vaclav Klaus is within his rights in saying "Let us not give in to blackmail that uses the threat of terminating European subsidies. We do not need subsidies, and we do not want them", the Atlanticists have shown that they will brook no argument on this matter. We are sending you a credit card in the mail and YOU WILL USE IT!!!

    The South had not a single iron smelting facility, forge or machine works capable of manufacturing weapons. They had no chemical plant that could manufacture gunpowder.

    Wrong:

    Tredegar Iron Works

    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    For the similarly named establishment in Wales, see Tredegar Ironworks (Wales).
    Tredegar Iron Works

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    U.S. National Register of Historic Places
    U.S. National Historic Landmark District

    The Tredegar Iron Works in Richmond, Virginia, was the biggest ironworks in the Confederacy during the American Civil War, and a significant factor in the decision to make Richmond its capital.

    Tredegar supplied about half the artillery used by the Confederate States Army, as well as the iron plating for CSS Virginia, the first Confederate ironclad warship, which fought in the historic Battle of Hampton Roads in March 1862. The works avoided destruction by troops during the evacuation of the city, and continued production through the mid-20th century. Now classified as a National Historic Landmark District, the site serves as the main visitor center for the Richmond National Battlefield Park.

    The name Tredegar derives from the Welsh industrial town that supplied much of the company’s early workforce.

    American Civil War[edit]
    External video

    Trunnion from a bronze cannon stamped “J R A & CO, T F” (J.R. Anderson & Company, Tredegar Foundry) made at the Tredegar Iron Works

    By 1860, the Tredegar Iron Works was the largest of its kind in the South, a fact that played a significant role in the decision to relocate the capital of the Confederacy from Montgomery, Alabama, to Richmond in May 1861.[13] Tredegar supplied high-quality munitions to the Confederacy during the war.

    Its wartime production included the iron plating for the first Confederate ironclad warship, the CSS Virginia which fought in the historic Battle of Hampton Roads in March 1862; credit for approximately 1,100 artillery pieces during the war, about half of the South’s total domestic production of artillery between the war years of 1861–1865, including the development of the Brooke rifle;[4] a giant rail-mounted siege cannon. The company also manufactured railroad steam locomotives in the same period.

    As a result of his difficulties competing with Northern industries due to his higher labor and raw material costs,[4] Anderson was a strong supporter of southern secession and became a Brigadier General in the Confederate Army as the war broke out. He was wounded at Glendale during the Seven Days Battles of the Peninsula Campaign in 1862 and served in the Ordnance Department for the duration of the Civil War.

    As the war continued with more and more men conscripted into the Confederate armies, Tredegar experienced a lack of skilled laborers. Scarce supplies of metal also hurt the company’s manufacturing abilities during the war and as the conflict progressed it was noticed that Tredegar’s products were beginning to lose quality as well as quantity. …

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  193. @Art Deco
    And as for abortions, so what? Only the overly religious think its bad.

    No, anyone who gives a moment's honest thought to what it entails thinks it's bad. Which is why Nat Hentoff was a vigorous advocate against the practice. That's why, when given an item-by-item list of circumstances and asked to offer an opinion on whether abortion in said circumstance should be legal, 70% of the public will tell you that 95% of the abortions should not be performed.

    So you think that having more blacks aborted than born in NYC is bad?

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