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Several people sent me Mark Steyn’ s YouTube video—he has a video channel he calls SteynPosts—from last Wednesday.

It’s a 23-minute clip, right there on YouTube, and well worth your attention.

Mark takes recently-elected French president Emmanuel Macron and his new political party as the starting point for his commentary. He refers to Macron as “this cipher, this globalist pretty boy.” He translates the name of Macron’s party, En Marche!, as “Forward!” Mark called this “a vacuous slogan.”

This recent Presidential election in France was, said Mark, a consequential election; but the guy who won, “won by pretending it was an election about nothing.”

To support his case, and to set the hearts a-fluttering over here on the Dissident Right, Mark then pulled out Steve Sailer’s graph, the graph I was talking about two weeks ago, what Steve calls “the world’s most important graph.” This is the graph Steve made from the U.N.’s 2012 population projections, showing the population of Europe flatlining at around half a billion through the rest of this century while the population of Africa rockets up to over four billion:

To Mark’s credit, he references Steve by name, and agrees with him about the importance of those numbers.

As I told you two weeks ago: this is what we should have at the front of our minds when thinking about the future. This is what our pundits should be talking about: not just pundits on the political fringe, like Mark, or pundits way beyond the fringe, like me and Steve, but the bigfoot guys at the newspapers, magazines, and cable channels.

Ranked on a scale from one to ten, as matters that are important to our future—the future our children and grandchildren will inhabit—that graph is a ten. Global warming is a two or a three; Russian interference in last year’s election is around a zero point zero one.

So why don’t we talk about it? Why is such a huge, real issue so unmentionable?

Where Europe is concerned, Mark identifies part of the problem as relating exactly to our children and grandchildren—or rather, to the fact that Europeans aren’t having any.

Mr. Macron, for example, is childless. So is German leader Angela Merkel. So is British Prime Minister Theresa May. The President of Italy has three kids, but Italy’s Prime Minister is childless. So is Mark Rutte, Prime Minister of Holland. Mark has some fun with Belgium: the current Prime Minister has two kids, but the previous one was a childless homosexual.

Why, Mark wonders rhetorically, would we expect these barren politicians to think hard thoughts about the world of twenty, fifty, eighty years from now? They have no personal stake in that world.

The great English economist John Maynard Keynes famously said that “In the long run we are all dead.” You can get into trouble—historian Niall Ferguson did get into trouble—for observing that Keynes was a childless homosexual when he wrote that. [ Niall Ferguson apologises for remarks about ‘gay and childless’ Keynes, by Paul Harris, Guardian, May 4, 2013 ] (Keynes later married, though he never did have children.)

There is something in the observation, though. I know I’ve thought differently about the future since becoming a father. Who doesn’t?

That graph—the world’s most important graph—looms over the 21st century like a monstrous great crow. Yet we can’t talk about it. Or rather, I can, and Mark can; but no-one with much more of a profile than us, can.

Why not? Do you need to ask? That line shooting up on the graph represents Africa—black people (mostly), and a high proportion of them Muslims. The other line, the one plodding along horizontally, represents Europe—white people (mostly), and a very high proportion not Muslims.

In the state ideologies of the Western world, black people are sacred objects to whom whites must defer, Muslims only slightly less so. Nothing negative may be said about these peoples, nor even hinted.

So Mark’s gloomy prognostications about Europe being swamped, and European civilization destroyed, by incoming hordes of blacks and Muslims, are out of bounds. In several European countries, including I think France, it would actually be a criminal offense to say such things in public.

That’s the state we’re in. The real issues, the important issues—vitally important to our children and grandchildren, those of us who have any—may not be openly discussed.

Global warming? Sure. Russian hacking? Oh definitely. Homosexual marriage? Let’s have a debate!

But … world demographics? Why would you be interested in that? What are you, some kind of Nazi?

Now that we’ve got Mark Steyn talking about the world’s most important graph, next we should try to get him helping promote the Arctic Alliance.

It’s way past the time when we high-IQ, low-fertility, long-civilized Arctic peoples—the whites and the yellows—can afford to bicker among ourselves, about election hacking or anything else. We should be putting our smart, pale heads together to plan a geostrategy to preserve our nations, our civilization, from the swelling numbers down there in the tropics who seek to displace us by demographically overwhelming us.

I quipped recently about making the Russian Ambassador our new FBI Director. Is that really a great idea? No, not really a great one. A pretty bad one, actually.

On any reasonable scale of badness, though, its badness fades to insignificance, to nothing at all, by comparison with really really bad ideas: ideas like continuing mass Third World immigration, or restarting the Cold War with Russia.

A nation can survive having a foreigner of doubtful loyalty in charge of one of its law-enforcement agencies, but it can’t survive having its population replaced by alien peoples. If that happens, the country is no longer what it was. It’s a different country.

That’s the condition we’re in. Really really bad ideas, lethally bad ideas, existentially disastrous ideas, are respectable, in fact well-nigh compulsory. Ideas that are mildly silly but not permanently harmful are considered outrageous.

That’s our condition.

 

John Derbyshire [email him] writes an incredible amount on all sorts of subjects for all kinds of outlets. (This no longer includes National Review, whose editors had some kind of tantrum and fired him. ) He is the author of We Are Doomed: Reclaiming Conservative Pessimism and several other books. He’s had two books published by VDARE.com: FROM THE DISSIDENT RIGHT (also available in Kindle) and From the Dissident Right II: Essays 2013. His writings are archived at JohnDerbyshire.com.

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  1. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    85 years is plenty of time for new technology to ease hardships for everyone in the world. Even if the African population rises to 4 billion by 2100, technology will have lifted everyone out of extreme poverty. Just look at how the population of Africa has doubled since 1990 but extreme poverty is way down.

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    • Troll: Clyde
    • Replies: @for-the-record

    Just look at how the population of Africa has doubled since 1990 but extreme poverty is way down.
     
    Not sure where you're getting your information, everything I've seen suggests that while the rate of poverty in Africa may have fallen, the absolute numbers continue to increase significantly. For example,

    While Poverty in Africa Has Declined, Number of Poor Has Increased
    , World Bank, March 2016

    http://www.worldbank.org/en/region/afr/publication/poverty-rising-africa-poverty-report
    , @millermp1
    The wrinkle in your hypothesis: massively understated dysgenic loads.

    It is an open question as to whether civilization will arrive at the next gas station before the wheels completely come off. I would say better than even odds that "our" technology will arrive in time. But for something this consequential, those are terrifying odds.
    , @TG
    With respect, I submit that you are missing the point.

    Historically, when populations reach a certain point, and there is no open frontier, and people keep trying to have six kids each, technology does NOT ride to the rescue. Rather, the effects of chronic malnutrition and disease and war etc. restrain population growth. So these exponential projections usually don't last very long, they flatten out - if not the easy way, then the hard way. But they flatten out.

    Look at Syria. The government created a population explosion by banning birth control and propagandizing that it was every woman's patriotic duty to have six kids each etc. The population started doubling every 18 years. A simple exponential projection showed the population of Syria reaching 780 million by the year 2100. Syria is a small country and mostly an arid plateau. When the population hit just 22 million, the aquifers had been drained and the water ran out. The Syrians did not magically develop networks of nuclear reactors running advanced water desalinization plants. Instead they got hungry and miserable and the place fell apart...

    It is highly unlikely that the population of Africa will be 4 billion in the year 2100. It is highly likely that the population of Africa will be rather less than this number, and the Africans will be living in crushing brutal poverty. The real question is how much of the rest of the world will they drag down with them.

    http://globuspallidusxi.blogspot.com/2014/11/the-malthusian-holocaust-is-real-and-it.html
    , @Colleen Pater
    You're a moron moron moron
    By giving africans our technology, or since they cant usually maintain something as complex as a generator, the fruits of our technology -cash food medicine, we have been the ones to upset the ecological balance of african demographics and there evolutionary fate, that kept their population below 500,000 for millennia, to exploding in the past 100 years.

    Its MORONS LIKE YOU,AND BONO SOROS GATES ETAL that should be sent to africa as slaves to help pay for the children you fathered by proxy, children with average IQs below 65 that can never ever ever survive in a modern civilization except on handouts, and that offer no other social value they are extremely violent, promiscuous, short time oriented and stupid. They should have been reduced to sustainable populations that could live as the neolithic hunter gatherers they evolved to be and were before do good christian missionaries and commies interfered.Managed lke all the other large african fauna. All the sneakers and AK47s taken away and restored to thatched huts.
    , @dc.sunsets
    Your comment is emblematic of what "people think" when resources appear unlimited.

    I doubt you recall the 1970's, when the topics that dominated headlines were
    --running out of landfill space.
    --overpopulation.
    --concerns over pesticides, toxins, etc.

    The 1970's were a time of low social mood (the barometer of this is the stock market, and it was in a sideways bear market.)

    I submit to you that the SS Pollyanna on which you sail is nothing but an artifact of our times. You read it here first: when stocks fall from these heights and the next decline doesn't simply reverse like the last two bear markets, those concerns from the 1970's will come back to dominate.

    You will no longer be sanguine about a Planet Earth with 9 billion people on it.
    , @Buck Turgidson
    Please provide some data indicating that "extreme poverty is way down" in Africa. I don't buy it. Extreme poverty is stubborn across most of the third world and getting worse in many places, esp sub-Saharan Africa.

    Technology will lift everyone out of extreme poverty? Sounds like Sim City but not the real world, unfortunately.
    , @Saxon
    Where do you imagine this amazing Star Trek replicator style technology you believe will save us is going to come from when the populations that have created 90%+ of all scientific achievement and invention throughout human history are quickly being depleted (read: ethnically cleansed by malicious government immigration and related policy)?

    This "magic science will save the day!" worldview is childish in the extreme. You are counting on some sci-fi miracle well beyond the "flying cars by 2000" musings of the 1950 and 60s era. Grow up.
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    Why doesn’t global warming matter? If it’s in combination with other factors of instability that is what could lead to huge levels of migration to Europe. Without global warming the African standard of living should keep on rising, modest annual gains but it’s a continuous trend.

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    • Replies: @millermp1
    "the African standard of living should keep on rising, modest annual gains but it’s a continuous trend."

    This is not a foregone conclusion. They can barely keep from defecating where they eat now. Would a 10X population explosion help the situation?

    I have long ago converted to becoming a _huge_ fan of catastrophic climate change. There is no entlosung at this point short of Mother Nature shaking cutting her apron strings.

    It's barbaric, but I would rather take my chances at geo-engineering the Earth back to something habitable with a vigorously pruned family tree than assume we can bring civilization to where it has never flourished.
    , @anonymous coward

    Why doesn’t global warming matter?
     
    Because so-called """global warming""" is fake news.
    , @Wally
    It doesn't matter because it's not happening.

    The Globe Has Not Been Warming . . . So Why Is It Called ‘Global’ Warming?
    http://principia-scientific.org/globe-not-warming-called-global-warming/

    'Global warming' is another scheme for yet more taxes and an attempt to control people.

    See the laughable & non-existent 'global warming' debunked here:

    Claim Of A 97% Climate Consensus Does Not Stand Up
    - See more at:
    http://www.thegwpf.com/richard-tol-claim-of-a-97-climate-consensus-does-not-stand-up/#sthash.i2b7hiYZ.dpuf

    http://www.thegwpf.com/richard-tol-claim-of-a-97-climate-consensus-does-not-stand-up/

    http://www.nipccreport.org/

    http://www.climatedepot.com

    , @Clyde

    Without global warming the African standard of living should keep on rising, modest annual gains but it’s a continuous trend.
     
    Keep the lefty hallucinations coming, sport.
    , @John Kirby
    North Africa and the present Sahara desert were savannah in centuries BC, with grassland and trees. It started to become desert in the dark ages; long before we burnt fossil fuels. So it seems that Africa is enduring global warming, but not man-made-global-warming.

    Anyway the conditions for Africans will be transformed over the next 50 years by cheap photovoltaics, producing cheap, clean energy.

    There is no shortage of water, just a shortage of brains to arrange transport. Britain alone has enough rivers discharging trillions of gallons of fresh water into the sea every day.

    An interesting situation could develop. with Northern Europe as a major exporter of water and North Africa as a major exporter of elecricity
  3. The Asians are already aware of that graph. How many Africans/Arabs are there in Japan, China or Korea? We don’t need the Arctic Alliance–we need the political will to recognize the civilizational end that will result if massive migration of Africans and Arabs (and to a lesser extent Mestizos and Amerindians) to Europe and North America is not halted very soon.

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    • Replies: @anon
    Stand with migrants . Support the movement of the people . Endorse those candidates who recognize that the relocation is a natural phenomena following decades of Western violence against the native Africans . The people who elected G Bush second times need to pay The people who suddenly found Trump is presidential need to pay The people behind Trump's sudden popularity after attacks on Syria should pay.
    , @Immigrant from former USSR
    Dear Diversity Heretic !
    On unrelated topic:
    Previously you were so kind to inquire about my chances of getting grandchildren
    by our daughter, who got Ph.D. 5 years ago in placenta research from
    University of California, campus San Francisco (UCSF).
    My wife and I just visited San Francisco for her graduation ceremony,
    now with M.D. degree, from the same UCSF.
    For better or for worse, she plans to specialize as "family doctor".
    But to get a license to actually practice medicine,
    she has to through extra 3 (three) years of "residency".
    It means that in the next 3 years she probably will not have children,
    putting aside even the question of getting married.

    As my late colleague from LLNL taught me to claim:
    "Life is not fair. But consider the alternative."

    Wit gratitude for understanding my problems, dear D.H.,
    your I.f.f.U.

  4. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Muslims are far less a threat than black Africans.

    ACOWW, or Afro-Colonization of White Wombs will be the greatest threat to the white race.

    Arabs, Muslims, and Pakistanis may conquer European land, but most white women are not turned on by these men. So, the threat will be demographic and territorial, not necessarily genetic and biological.

    In contrast, because of black dominance in sports, music culture, and sexual expression — plus the promotion of black-male/white-female union as the neo-edenic ideal by European state itself –, there is the great danger that not only will black Africans conquer Europe territorially and beat up weaker/slower white males BUT that they will colonize white women infected with junglois feverois.

    And indeed all those black African males are coming for that very reason.

    Just think. Why are millions of black African males headed to Europe?

    1. To learn Western philosophy from Socrates to Sartre.

    2. To master economic theories of Adam Smith and Ricardo.

    3. To study the classical works of Vivaldi, Mozart, and Brahams.

    4. To appreciate the literature of Goethe and Proust.

    5. To party and dance, hump tons of white women, colonize white wombs, and live off the welfare state provided by whites.

    Sure, some people can pretend it’s 1-4, but we know it is #5 for 99% of them.
    And even the kind of culture they assimilate into is American Rap Culture, not European high culture that is ignored by Europeans themselves.

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    The Black Pill.
    , @Truth
    Just think. Why are millions of black African males headed to Europe?

    1. To learn Western philosophy from Socrates to Sartre.

    2. To master economic theories of Adam Smith and Ricardo.

    3. To study the classical works of Vivaldi, Mozart, and Brahams.

    4. To appreciate the literature of Goethe and Proust.

    Well I talked to a Nigerian Homie of mine, and he said, and I quote:

    "Anon, you must know thyself, so put on Four Seasons and please understand this Theory of Moral Sentiments; Your Overlords desire it, so deal with it quietly like a good little Boy. I see that you know it, but knowing is not enough, I see that you have will, but willing is not enough, YOU MUST DO!..

    "And if you are willing to do nothing, simply develop an appreciation for black sports, comedy and music, for then you may be grateful for the people who make you happy, they will make your soul, and your daughter's loins, happy."
    , @Mark Green
    Well said! Black Africans of any religious persuasion pose the greatest long-term threat to white civilization.

    And Derbyshire is incorrect when he implies that the most hopelessly primitive area in the world--sub-Saharan Africa--is largely Muslim.

    Black, sub-Saharan Africa is primarily Christian. It is North Africa that is largely Muslim. White, European missionaries exported Christianity along with European colonization to that continent's darkest regions. Nevertheless, sub-Saharan Africa remains primitive, dangerous, disorderly and poor.

    When it comes to affluence and social order, race trumps religion.

    , @MBlanc46
    Whe'yere da whaht wimmens be?
    , @balderdash
    What do you know of points one to five? Most modern Brits or other westerners know squat about the 18th and 19th centuries - they think Europe was always civilized.

    So you think that Black people can't do as well with western culture as whites? That's only a matter of education and upbringing. after all whites couldn't handle black culture and had to bring theirs to Africa.

    You need to start reproducing yourself before your racial superiority gene dies out.
  5. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Also there’s the Chinese effect on Africa. When Zimbabwe sized the land of thousands of white land owners their economy almost instantly collapsed. We all know that. But the turnaround isn’t often mentioned.

    The chief crop in Zim is tobacco. Output collapsed after the land was taken but with Chinese loans and purchases, the situation steadily improved. Several years ago tobacco output even almost reached the record year in 2000 when landowners were not disturbed by Mugabe. The economy has also come back to life and migration to South Africa in the millions has stopped.

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    I've long thought that the Chinese (and) Indians won't allow a lot of Arabs to mess up their supplies of hydrocarbons. Now you remind me of Francis Galton's June 1864 letter to The Times headed "Africa for the Chinese". Surely the Chinese will impose a bit of discipline on Africa, maybe even introduce them to birth control.
    , @Flyover
    Mmmmmm. Tobacco is good eatin' just add a little sugar and milk.

    Population expands directly proportional to the amount of food available to feed that population. So the breadbasket of Africa is now in the tobacco business. Makes sense to me.
  6. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Race-ism is the only effective force against Replacism.

    Kick out the Replacists.

    Also, white people need White Sharia. Smash feminism.

    And push homos back into the closet. Homomania is now encouraging even straight males to be fruity and pansy. No wonder so many white males are cucked.

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  7. “Arctic peoples”? Anything to squeeze his family into the right side.

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    If you weren't aware ofthe H-bd notiona division between Sun People and Ice People 20 years ago you must have just joined the conversation.
  8. The word “racism” is a made-up word that was invented by the communist movement, (actually by the “chosen”), in order to destabilize (and eventually take over) white-run and dominated countries. They have been somewhat successful in destabilizing American society since the 1950s.
    Whites, in general have externalized their altruism, “always looking out for the other guy”, the downtrodden and (mis)perceived concept of being held back and discriminated against by “racist whites”. This Christian concept, although well-intentioned, needs to be measured and scaled back. We need to take care of “our own kind” FIRST.
    It is long overdue for us whites to internalize our altruism, turning it inward to insure OUR own survival. You can bet that no other race “looks out for the other guy”, but looks out for the survival of “their own kind”.
    Look at what “us evil whites” have done for American society and the world.
    1. Civil-rights laws and statutes that specifically exclude whites, as the civil-rights movement has declared that only whites can be “racist”.
    2. Contract set-asides and preferences that are denied to whites.
    3. College admission schemes that specifically exclude whites by awarding (undeserved) points on exams (SAT and ACT tests) to minorities who ordinarily would fail. Even Asians are impacted by this, as they are routinely required to achieve much higher scores on admissions tests in order to attend colleges.
    4. Scholarship programs that specifically exclude whites. Even Bill Gates is in on the “diversity game”, awarding scholarships to minorities while declaring openly that “whites need not apply” for his scholarships.
    5. The abolition of IQ and aptitude tests, as they are considered “racist”, and by inference are not allowed. The “college degree” has become the new “gatekeeper” that has not yet been outlawed for use in employment decisions. See Griggs v. Duke Power.
    6. The institution of “disparate impact” in which ALL members of a minority group are considered to be “impacted” by those who use standardized testing materials, and by inference, “racism”, even those minorities who would not qualify under any circumstances.
    Yes, us whites have really been remiss in not recognizing that our minority “brothers and sisters” are still oppressed.
    Yeah, right…

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    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "The word “racism” is a made-up word that was invented by the communist movement, (actually by the “chosen”), in order to destabilize (and eventually take over) white-run and dominated countries."

    Corrected for accuracy --> The word "racism" is a distinct term created by people when describing the discrimination by Group A toward Group B on the belief that Group A is racially superior than Group B.

    "Whites, in general have externalized their altruism, “always looking out for the other guy”, the downtrodden and (mis)perceived concept of being held back and discriminated against by “racist whites”. This Christian concept, although well-intentioned, needs to be measured and scaled back."

    No thanks. Christians are able to make up their own minds regarding their altruistic conduct.

    "We need to take care of “our own kind” FIRST."

    Christians do take care of their own kind, as do human beings. Why do despise the human race?
  9. … it is true that any talk of the need for BIRTH CONTROL in Africa is Verboten …

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    • Replies: @Barnard
    Bill and Melinda Gates are pushing birth control in Africa under the guise to female empowerment. Of course, they would never cite this graph, but it wouldn't surprise me if they are aware of it. I don't know how much success they are having, but out of everything their foundation has done, that has to be the most worthy cause.
    , @Bill
    Rubbish. Birth control is, and has been for decades, a major goal of development agencies. Mostly, these days, they pursue it via educating women.
  10. Derb, as usual, gets to the heart of the matter.
    The Problem ain’t Them ( They are what they are, what they have always been, and what they will always be ) , The Problem is Us.
    It is Us who have taken the poisonous combination of birth control ( to include abortion ) , consumerism, and social isolation thus forfeiting tomorrow to maximize personal enjoyment today.
    Western Civilization is undergoing a suicide, not a murder.

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    It’s way past the time when we …..can afford to bicker among ourselves, about election hacking or anything else

    Unfortunately history provides one example after another of people being weakened through factional fighting and having third parties move in and conquer as a result, often actually being invited in by one of the parties to add their weight. The constant bickering in the US is dividing and weakening us. We have little control over population rates in the third world. We can control the borders of our own though if the political will was there to do so. I’m pessimistic about Americans finding the will to do so since most of the population appears to be gripped by pettiness and unable to see the big picture. The supposed leadership are mainly concerned with continuing to live the good life for themselves and their friends. What’s needed is absolutely zero immigration into this country except from Europe. The continuing existence of the country is at stake, nothing less.

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    • Replies: @Joe Schmoe

    We have little control over population rates in the third world.
     
    Is this really true? Do they grow enough food to feed themselves and make enough vaccines for their kids? I am guessing they don't. Therefore, if we stopped subsidizing them with cheap or free food and vaccines, there would soon be far fewer of them.
  12. @Anonymous
    85 years is plenty of time for new technology to ease hardships for everyone in the world. Even if the African population rises to 4 billion by 2100, technology will have lifted everyone out of extreme poverty. Just look at how the population of Africa has doubled since 1990 but extreme poverty is way down.

    Just look at how the population of Africa has doubled since 1990 but extreme poverty is way down.

    Not sure where you’re getting your information, everything I’ve seen suggests that while the rate of poverty in Africa may have fallen, the absolute numbers continue to increase significantly. For example,

    While Poverty in Africa Has Declined, Number of Poor Has Increased
    , World Bank, March 2016

    http://www.worldbank.org/en/region/afr/publication/poverty-rising-africa-poverty-report

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  13. Isn’t Ste(i)n the Zio Dead Ender who relentlessly promoted all the forever wars in the ME and North Africa? Zio Ste(i)n even subs for the Zio host on a well known Zio radio show dedicated to promoting all the usual traitorous Izzy Firster stuff…..endless destruction, murder, and displacement of muzzie populations. Now Zio Dead Ender Ste(i)n is being offered as a savior of western civilization and the white race?????

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    I don't think Steyn is Jewish. Apart from some Orthodox I have never known Jews to be against abortion as he is.
  14. Bill Gates is doing more harm than good by deeming each of fifteen kids per family in much of Africa should survive 9nto poverty. First teach two children per family. Then the second part about survival becomes easy.

    Not much of a chance for common sense.

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  15. @Anonymous
    85 years is plenty of time for new technology to ease hardships for everyone in the world. Even if the African population rises to 4 billion by 2100, technology will have lifted everyone out of extreme poverty. Just look at how the population of Africa has doubled since 1990 but extreme poverty is way down.

    The wrinkle in your hypothesis: massively understated dysgenic loads.

    It is an open question as to whether civilization will arrive at the next gas station before the wheels completely come off. I would say better than even odds that “our” technology will arrive in time. But for something this consequential, those are terrifying odds.

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  16. @Anonymous
    Why doesn't global warming matter? If it's in combination with other factors of instability that is what could lead to huge levels of migration to Europe. Without global warming the African standard of living should keep on rising, modest annual gains but it's a continuous trend.

    “the African standard of living should keep on rising, modest annual gains but it’s a continuous trend.”

    This is not a foregone conclusion. They can barely keep from defecating where they eat now. Would a 10X population explosion help the situation?

    I have long ago converted to becoming a _huge_ fan of catastrophic climate change. There is no entlosung at this point short of Mother Nature shaking cutting her apron strings.

    It’s barbaric, but I would rather take my chances at geo-engineering the Earth back to something habitable with a vigorously pruned family tree than assume we can bring civilization to where it has never flourished.

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    • Replies: @Eustace Tilley (not)
    I do not know what you mean by "I have long converted to becoming a_huge_fan of catastrophic climate change." Does that mean:

    1. I believe that planet Earth will be undergoing catastrophic climate change. Or:

    2. I look forward to catastrophic climate change to cleanse the Earth of the useless eaters and reproducers (of course, that does not include me), that I may sip my latte to the sound of wild nightingales?

    If you mean Option 2, as I think you do, remember the scene of the Sorcerer's Apprentice from Disney's Fantasia, in which Mickey Mouse let things get totally out of hand. Climate change is a stuck accelerator on a vehicle which lacks sufficient braking mechanisms. Higher temperatures and longer summers in the Northern Hemisphere means better conditions for both fungi and beetles, which means more tree disease, which means more dead trees, which means more chance of catastrophic forest fires, which means more CO2 liberated into the atmosphere, which means more infrared radiation reflected back to Earth, which means warmer oceans and landmass, which means higher temperatures and longer summers in the Northern Hemisphere. Wash. Rinse. Repeat. Positive feedback is a bitch.

    Earth could, in a "worst case" scenario, become as hot (and, of course, as dead) as our sister planet Venus. See "Low simulated radiation limit for runaway greenhouse climates" (Goldblatt, Robinson, Zahnle, and Crisp), Nature Geoscience, 28 July 2013 (online edition).

    Derbyshire, apparently, does not have time to read Goldblatt et al. If perchance he found the time to do so, it would force him onto his fainting couch with a bottle of sal volatile.

  17. There is a 50% chance that the next Irish Taoiseach (Prime Minister) will be an Indian homo, even if he misses his chance this year he will hold the office soon enough, the worst thing is he may actually be the best man for the job, SAD

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  18. I keep wondering how hard it would be to reduce the population of Africa by 80% to 90%. And what would be the most effective technology?

    If iSteve is right and we face a deluge of unskilled and hostile Africans we should think about this now. The problem is that at this time before the crisis point, it seems immoral to contemplate genocide. Maybe something will come up that keeps us from having to face this problem. Maybe we won’t actually have to figure out how to kill a billion Africans.

    Obviously small arms will be insufficient. No one has that many bullets. Artillery or conventional high explosive bombing are likewise probably insufficient. We could not adopt a Nazi like approach either. The Jews were and remain a minor people in terms of numbers. Less than one percent of Germany was Jewish in 1933.

    Chemical weapons are also unlikely to be major factor. The only weapons that are really sufficient at eliminating very large populations are biologicals. So what are the odds that some lab in America, Europe or Russia have some germ warfare weapons under development that will depopulate much of Africa?

    I don’t know, indeed I probably can’t know. But it is quite likely that some in the Pentagon have contingency plans in place right now.

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    My recollection of discussions of biological warfare (which I do not favor in the case of Africa or elsewhere) is that natural pathogens are generally superior to anything that can be developed in a lab. I suppose the tendency of pathogens to mutate to less virulent strains might be a disadvantage if you were counting on one to solve the African population problem.

    Extreme solutions are unnecessary. All that is really required is: (1) a demonstrated willingness to prohibit the settling of Africans in Europe or North America, something that Asia has already shown; and (2) a willingness to let nature take its course and reduce the African population to levels that can be sustained by Africans using African resources. We need not be hostile to Africans, but we need to develop indifference to their suffering.

    , @Wizard of Oz
    If the West paid pensions (by whatever name) to heads of families in sub Saharan Africa conditional on the females in the family continuing in education and training or fulltime employment outside the home AND having ni children till thry were 25+ I would be willing to bet kn a high take up.
    , @alan2102
    John Derbyshire: "Global warming? Sure. Russian hacking? Oh definitely. Homosexual marriage? Let’s have a debate! But … world demographics? Why would you be interested in that? What are you, some kind of Nazi?"

    Pat Boyle: "I keep wondering how hard it would be to reduce the population of Africa by 80% to 90%. And what would be the most effective technology? If iSteve is right and we face a deluge of unskilled and hostile Africans we should think about this now.... Obviously small arms will be insufficient. No one has that many bullets. Artillery or conventional high explosive bombing are likewise probably insufficient...."

    .......................................

    So, the answer, Mr Derbyshire, is this: Yes, you are "some kind" of Nazi, in the sense that as soon as you bring this up, in the way that you bring it up , you open the door to the Pat Boyles of the world, now calmly, rationally discussing the practical matter of how 80-90% of the blacks in the world might be murdered as an urgent and obviously-necessary measure to combat the Rising Tide of Color Against White World-Supremacy.

    There's an alternative. You could bring it up in a different way. Rather than viewing those four billion people as a threat, and their situation (in Africa) as hopeless, you could be humanistic, realistic and optimistic, all at once. You could discuss the economic development of Africa, which is proceeding rather well (though it could be better of course). You could discuss China's efforts to build out African infrastructure and integrate that continent into the OBOR initiative -- a plan with vast positive implications, not least for Africans. You could discuss Africa's incredible agricultural and industrial potential, almost entirely unrealized. You could discuss the well-documented ways in which the West has traditionally (and to this day) looted Africa, and how this has retarded development, and how this could be stopped, to the great benefit of Africans. You could discuss the ways in which development will precipitate/speed the demographic transition, such that four billion is not a fait acompli, but rather just one projection based on trends that could be changed. (It could easily be three billion.) You could discuss the ways in which development, improved nutrition, improved education, sanitation, public health, medicine, and so on, will all synergize to raise -- probably dramatically raise -- population I.Q.s in areas where they had been depressed, (and I trust I need not lecture you on the great significance of this), while at the same time causing greatly reduced fertility. You could discuss the ways in which the U.S., with its vast wealth, could participate, like China, in developing Africa (among other positive actions) rather than pissing away $trillions on wars. And on and on and ON.

    You COULD discuss all of those things. Those things are much more important than a single bald population projection, one which (predictably) brings out of the woodwork overt genocidalist Nazi scum like Pat Boyle.
    .
    , @Truth
    You'll be dead in 10 years, what are you worried about?
    , @Alden
    Here is a simple, effective way to reduce the African population by half in 30 years:
    No more foreign aid to the dictators no more medical missionaries, no more food aid, no more peace corps trying to teach them to build outhouses.

    Let the corporations take African resources. But other than that, isolate Africa and let them feed, house and medicate themselves. The population will go back to what it was 200 years ago in a few decades.
    , @Joe Schmoe

    So what are the odds that some lab in America, Europe or Russia have some germ warfare weapons under development that will depopulate much of Africa?
     
    100%

    Smallpox

    People aren't even vaccinated against it anymore. I am 50 and I was never vaccinated against it.

    Anyway, a one child policy would be better and would be beneficial to all involved. China did it and they sure haven't disappeared.
  19. @fitzGetty
    ... it is true that any talk of the need for BIRTH CONTROL in Africa is Verboten ...

    Bill and Melinda Gates are pushing birth control in Africa under the guise to female empowerment. Of course, they would never cite this graph, but it wouldn’t surprise me if they are aware of it. I don’t know how much success they are having, but out of everything their foundation has done, that has to be the most worthy cause.

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    Of course, they would never cite this graph, but it wouldn’t surprise me if they are aware of it.

    This graph up to 2050 has been on Wiki for years. So it is not some secret that Steve Sailer stole form Brzezinski or Soros. But obviously if you read Sailer or Mr. JD, listen to Steyn only you may get impression it is some kind of secret knowledge.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projections_of_population_growth

    I wonder how many drinks Mr. JD had before writing this piece? He thinks that you can have debate on gay marriage? Does he live in China? Then he seems genuinely upset in the last paragraph. So upset that one would think the next step should be seppuku or self immolation. If so I hope it will be on FB.
  20. @Anonymous
    85 years is plenty of time for new technology to ease hardships for everyone in the world. Even if the African population rises to 4 billion by 2100, technology will have lifted everyone out of extreme poverty. Just look at how the population of Africa has doubled since 1990 but extreme poverty is way down.

    With respect, I submit that you are missing the point.

    Historically, when populations reach a certain point, and there is no open frontier, and people keep trying to have six kids each, technology does NOT ride to the rescue. Rather, the effects of chronic malnutrition and disease and war etc. restrain population growth. So these exponential projections usually don’t last very long, they flatten out – if not the easy way, then the hard way. But they flatten out.

    Look at Syria. The government created a population explosion by banning birth control and propagandizing that it was every woman’s patriotic duty to have six kids each etc. The population started doubling every 18 years. A simple exponential projection showed the population of Syria reaching 780 million by the year 2100. Syria is a small country and mostly an arid plateau. When the population hit just 22 million, the aquifers had been drained and the water ran out. The Syrians did not magically develop networks of nuclear reactors running advanced water desalinization plants. Instead they got hungry and miserable and the place fell apart…

    It is highly unlikely that the population of Africa will be 4 billion in the year 2100. It is highly likely that the population of Africa will be rather less than this number, and the Africans will be living in crushing brutal poverty. The real question is how much of the rest of the world will they drag down with them.

    http://globuspallidusxi.blogspot.com/2014/11/the-malthusian-holocaust-is-real-and-it.html

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  21. @Pat Boyle
    I keep wondering how hard it would be to reduce the population of Africa by 80% to 90%. And what would be the most effective technology?

    If iSteve is right and we face a deluge of unskilled and hostile Africans we should think about this now. The problem is that at this time before the crisis point, it seems immoral to contemplate genocide. Maybe something will come up that keeps us from having to face this problem. Maybe we won't actually have to figure out how to kill a billion Africans.

    Obviously small arms will be insufficient. No one has that many bullets. Artillery or conventional high explosive bombing are likewise probably insufficient. We could not adopt a Nazi like approach either. The Jews were and remain a minor people in terms of numbers. Less than one percent of Germany was Jewish in 1933.

    Chemical weapons are also unlikely to be major factor. The only weapons that are really sufficient at eliminating very large populations are biologicals. So what are the odds that some lab in America, Europe or Russia have some germ warfare weapons under development that will depopulate much of Africa?

    I don't know, indeed I probably can't know. But it is quite likely that some in the Pentagon have contingency plans in place right now.

    My recollection of discussions of biological warfare (which I do not favor in the case of Africa or elsewhere) is that natural pathogens are generally superior to anything that can be developed in a lab. I suppose the tendency of pathogens to mutate to less virulent strains might be a disadvantage if you were counting on one to solve the African population problem.

    Extreme solutions are unnecessary. All that is really required is: (1) a demonstrated willingness to prohibit the settling of Africans in Europe or North America, something that Asia has already shown; and (2) a willingness to let nature take its course and reduce the African population to levels that can be sustained by Africans using African resources. We need not be hostile to Africans, but we need to develop indifference to their suffering.

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    • Replies: @El Dato

    t natural pathogens are generally superior to anything that can be developed in a lab.
     
    I assure you that this is not the case. Actually, just thinking about this makes me break out in cold sweat.

    Nowadays you can mix and match stuff that could not have arisen through natural selection or if so, would just have burnt down a few isolated villages and no-one would ever have heard of it.

    Bioengineering is not pretty powerful.

    That's gonna be a problem once tinkerers can obtain the synthesizers for some diddling in the cellar.
  22. I agree about the european need for a wall(stopping all sorts of migration). EU doesn’t need millions and billions of low skilled workers. or they will lose their countries by the end of this century.

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    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
    Africans are WORKERS??? Those boys are running FROM the notion of work!
  23. YOUR GOOK FAMILY HAS TO GO BACK DERB!!!!
    WHAT IS SO DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT THIS?!!

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    • Replies: @Chuck
    What's wrong with breeding more Eliot Rodgers?
    , @attilathehen
    THANK YOU!!! The only "Arctic yellows" of any worth are the Japanese. And look at how careful the Japanese are about keeping their island nation safe from invasion.

    The Chinese are inferior to the Japanese. I don't think Derbyshire can wrap his head around this. His loyalty is first to the Chinese because of his family.
  24. @anarchyst
    The word "racism" is a made-up word that was invented by the communist movement, (actually by the "chosen"), in order to destabilize (and eventually take over) white-run and dominated countries. They have been somewhat successful in destabilizing American society since the 1950s.
    Whites, in general have externalized their altruism, "always looking out for the other guy", the downtrodden and (mis)perceived concept of being held back and discriminated against by "racist whites". This Christian concept, although well-intentioned, needs to be measured and scaled back. We need to take care of "our own kind" FIRST.
    It is long overdue for us whites to internalize our altruism, turning it inward to insure OUR own survival. You can bet that no other race "looks out for the other guy", but looks out for the survival of "their own kind".
    Look at what "us evil whites" have done for American society and the world.
    1. Civil-rights laws and statutes that specifically exclude whites, as the civil-rights movement has declared that only whites can be "racist".
    2. Contract set-asides and preferences that are denied to whites.
    3. College admission schemes that specifically exclude whites by awarding (undeserved) points on exams (SAT and ACT tests) to minorities who ordinarily would fail. Even Asians are impacted by this, as they are routinely required to achieve much higher scores on admissions tests in order to attend colleges.
    4. Scholarship programs that specifically exclude whites. Even Bill Gates is in on the "diversity game", awarding scholarships to minorities while declaring openly that "whites need not apply" for his scholarships.
    5. The abolition of IQ and aptitude tests, as they are considered "racist", and by inference are not allowed. The "college degree" has become the new "gatekeeper" that has not yet been outlawed for use in employment decisions. See Griggs v. Duke Power.
    6. The institution of "disparate impact" in which ALL members of a minority group are considered to be "impacted" by those who use standardized testing materials, and by inference, "racism", even those minorities who would not qualify under any circumstances.
    Yes, us whites have really been remiss in not recognizing that our minority "brothers and sisters" are still oppressed.
    Yeah, right...

    “The word “racism” is a made-up word that was invented by the communist movement, (actually by the “chosen”), in order to destabilize (and eventually take over) white-run and dominated countries.”

    Corrected for accuracy –> The word “racism” is a distinct term created by people when describing the discrimination by Group A toward Group B on the belief that Group A is racially superior than Group B.

    “Whites, in general have externalized their altruism, “always looking out for the other guy”, the downtrodden and (mis)perceived concept of being held back and discriminated against by “racist whites”. This Christian concept, although well-intentioned, needs to be measured and scaled back.”

    No thanks. Christians are able to make up their own minds regarding their altruistic conduct.

    “We need to take care of “our own kind” FIRST.”

    Christians do take care of their own kind, as do human beings. Why do despise the human race?

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  25. Arctic alliance – from talking to them I’d say the Chinese do bear us white Westerners some good will, and are moderately sad at the thought we’ll die out. But they certainly aren’t going to save us. We have to save ourselves.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous Nephew
    Yes, it's like having a wealthy, landowning neighbour who you like well enough, but who's hopelessly naive and keeps getting ripped off. He's a strong guy and no one can rob or browbeat him, but he's a sucker for a sob story or his dodgy investment salesman brother-in-law.

    You feel sorry for him, but there's not much you can do except perhaps make sure you're in position to get some of his acreage before other people do.

    "Phaemon's dog was right"

    http://stefangeens.com/2001-2013/2001/06/phaemons-dog-was-right/
  26. Methinks Mr. Derbyshire doth protest too much. In the near future, the Chinese will outnumber all other populations, including Africans and Muslims, hence he and his Chinese family will feel at home across the globe.

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    You have scaled the heights of ignorance. Can there be anyone else who exposes himself on a blog who is so ignorant of the world's demographics? Apparently never heard of China's decades long one-child policy and its legacy of an ageing population. Not to mention the normal effect of urbanisation on fertility.

    Conclusion: you engage in kindergarten level rudeness wthout relation to facts. Indeed it is surprising that you managed to use words.
  27. @Anon
    Muslims are far less a threat than black Africans.

    ACOWW, or Afro-Colonization of White Wombs will be the greatest threat to the white race.

    Arabs, Muslims, and Pakistanis may conquer European land, but most white women are not turned on by these men. So, the threat will be demographic and territorial, not necessarily genetic and biological.

    In contrast, because of black dominance in sports, music culture, and sexual expression -- plus the promotion of black-male/white-female union as the neo-edenic ideal by European state itself --, there is the great danger that not only will black Africans conquer Europe territorially and beat up weaker/slower white males BUT that they will colonize white women infected with junglois feverois.

    And indeed all those black African males are coming for that very reason.

    Just think. Why are millions of black African males headed to Europe?

    1. To learn Western philosophy from Socrates to Sartre.

    2. To master economic theories of Adam Smith and Ricardo.

    3. To study the classical works of Vivaldi, Mozart, and Brahams.

    4. To appreciate the literature of Goethe and Proust.

    5. To party and dance, hump tons of white women, colonize white wombs, and live off the welfare state provided by whites.

    Sure, some people can pretend it's 1-4, but we know it is #5 for 99% of them.
    And even the kind of culture they assimilate into is American Rap Culture, not European high culture that is ignored by Europeans themselves.

    The Black Pill.

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  28. @rw95
    YOUR GOOK FAMILY HAS TO GO BACK DERB!!!!
    WHAT IS SO DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT THIS?!!

    What’s wrong with breeding more Eliot Rodgers?

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    • Replies: @rw95
    The Derb has a face only an Asian woman could love.
  29. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Mark Steyn is recent implant into the American political landscape. He is a Canadian arch neo-conservative, and an Israel firster, whose allegiance to America is as ephemeral as the life of a mayfly. Surely, Mr. Derbyshire will agree that Americans who have worked tirelessly to put their country’s interests first are not served well by such disingenuous men.

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    What is the point or relevance of your remark in the context of JD's article or the issue it deals with?
  30. @Chuck
    What's wrong with breeding more Eliot Rodgers?

    The Derb has a face only an Asian woman could love.

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    He doesn't look that bad if you squint hard enough...
  31. @Anon
    Muslims are far less a threat than black Africans.

    ACOWW, or Afro-Colonization of White Wombs will be the greatest threat to the white race.

    Arabs, Muslims, and Pakistanis may conquer European land, but most white women are not turned on by these men. So, the threat will be demographic and territorial, not necessarily genetic and biological.

    In contrast, because of black dominance in sports, music culture, and sexual expression -- plus the promotion of black-male/white-female union as the neo-edenic ideal by European state itself --, there is the great danger that not only will black Africans conquer Europe territorially and beat up weaker/slower white males BUT that they will colonize white women infected with junglois feverois.

    And indeed all those black African males are coming for that very reason.

    Just think. Why are millions of black African males headed to Europe?

    1. To learn Western philosophy from Socrates to Sartre.

    2. To master economic theories of Adam Smith and Ricardo.

    3. To study the classical works of Vivaldi, Mozart, and Brahams.

    4. To appreciate the literature of Goethe and Proust.

    5. To party and dance, hump tons of white women, colonize white wombs, and live off the welfare state provided by whites.

    Sure, some people can pretend it's 1-4, but we know it is #5 for 99% of them.
    And even the kind of culture they assimilate into is American Rap Culture, not European high culture that is ignored by Europeans themselves.

    Just think. Why are millions of black African males headed to Europe?

    1. To learn Western philosophy from Socrates to Sartre.

    2. To master economic theories of Adam Smith and Ricardo.

    3. To study the classical works of Vivaldi, Mozart, and Brahams.

    4. To appreciate the literature of Goethe and Proust.

    Well I talked to a Nigerian Homie of mine, and he said, and I quote:

    “Anon, you must know thyself, so put on Four Seasons and please understand this Theory of Moral Sentiments; Your Overlords desire it, so deal with it quietly like a good little Boy. I see that you know it, but knowing is not enough, I see that you have will, but willing is not enough, YOU MUST DO!..

    “And if you are willing to do nothing, simply develop an appreciation for black sports, comedy and music, for then you may be grateful for the people who make you happy, they will make your soul, and your daughter’s loins, happy.”

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    YOU MUST DO
     
    People do a lot. People are getting better and better at avoiding the Black man. The country is more segregated now than ever. More gated communities; more Amazon drones; more home entertainment; all in service to avoiding the Black man. It's all good.

    It would also be nice if we could get some help from the Black man in this endeavor, such as leaving us alone.

  32. @Astuteobservor II
    I agree about the european need for a wall(stopping all sorts of migration). EU doesn't need millions and billions of low skilled workers. or they will lose their countries by the end of this century.

    Africans are WORKERS??? Those boys are running FROM the notion of work!

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  33. @Anonymous
    Also there's the Chinese effect on Africa. When Zimbabwe sized the land of thousands of white land owners their economy almost instantly collapsed. We all know that. But the turnaround isn't often mentioned.

    The chief crop in Zim is tobacco. Output collapsed after the land was taken but with Chinese loans and purchases, the situation steadily improved. Several years ago tobacco output even almost reached the record year in 2000 when landowners were not disturbed by Mugabe. The economy has also come back to life and migration to South Africa in the millions has stopped.

    I’ve long thought that the Chinese (and) Indians won’t allow a lot of Arabs to mess up their supplies of hydrocarbons. Now you remind me of Francis Galton’s June 1864 letter to The Times headed “Africa for the Chinese”. Surely the Chinese will impose a bit of discipline on Africa, maybe even introduce them to birth control.

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    • Replies: @Truth

    Surely the Chinese will impose a bit of discipline on Africa,
     
    LOL, you guys have been in love with this fantasy for 10 years now.
    , @Anonymous
    Other than running mines and some other ventures what possible reason is there for more a role, much less taking Africa over?
  34. Mark Steyn is seeing the shadowy apparition of Kyle hovering over his bed at night. He’s right at the edge of a spiritual awakening. When is he going to go full fash and pronounce the 14 Word White Shahada?

    “We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children.”

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  35. @Anon
    Mark Steyn is recent implant into the American political landscape. He is a Canadian arch neo-conservative, and an Israel firster, whose allegiance to America is as ephemeral as the life of a mayfly. Surely, Mr. Derbyshire will agree that Americans who have worked tirelessly to put their country's interests first are not served well by such disingenuous men.

    What is the point or relevance of your remark in the context of JD’s article or the issue it deals with?

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  36. @RealAmerican
    Methinks Mr. Derbyshire doth protest too much. In the near future, the Chinese will outnumber all other populations, including Africans and Muslims, hence he and his Chinese family will feel at home across the globe.

    You have scaled the heights of ignorance. Can there be anyone else who exposes himself on a blog who is so ignorant of the world’s demographics? Apparently never heard of China’s decades long one-child policy and its legacy of an ageing population. Not to mention the normal effect of urbanisation on fertility.

    Conclusion: you engage in kindergarten level rudeness wthout relation to facts. Indeed it is surprising that you managed to use words.

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    • Replies: @RealAmerican
    As a wizard, surely you must recognize that the virulence of your reply is a direct outcome of the veraciy of mine.
  37. @Barnard
    Bill and Melinda Gates are pushing birth control in Africa under the guise to female empowerment. Of course, they would never cite this graph, but it wouldn't surprise me if they are aware of it. I don't know how much success they are having, but out of everything their foundation has done, that has to be the most worthy cause.

    Of course, they would never cite this graph, but it wouldn’t surprise me if they are aware of it.

    This graph up to 2050 has been on Wiki for years. So it is not some secret that Steve Sailer stole form Brzezinski or Soros. But obviously if you read Sailer or Mr. JD, listen to Steyn only you may get impression it is some kind of secret knowledge.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projections_of_population_growth

    I wonder how many drinks Mr. JD had before writing this piece? He thinks that you can have debate on gay marriage? Does he live in China? Then he seems genuinely upset in the last paragraph. So upset that one would think the next step should be seppuku or self immolation. If so I hope it will be on FB.

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  38. @Escher
    "Arctic peoples"? Anything to squeeze his family into the right side.

    If you weren’t aware ofthe H-bd notiona division between Sun People and Ice People 20 years ago you must have just joined the conversation.

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  39. @Pat Boyle
    I keep wondering how hard it would be to reduce the population of Africa by 80% to 90%. And what would be the most effective technology?

    If iSteve is right and we face a deluge of unskilled and hostile Africans we should think about this now. The problem is that at this time before the crisis point, it seems immoral to contemplate genocide. Maybe something will come up that keeps us from having to face this problem. Maybe we won't actually have to figure out how to kill a billion Africans.

    Obviously small arms will be insufficient. No one has that many bullets. Artillery or conventional high explosive bombing are likewise probably insufficient. We could not adopt a Nazi like approach either. The Jews were and remain a minor people in terms of numbers. Less than one percent of Germany was Jewish in 1933.

    Chemical weapons are also unlikely to be major factor. The only weapons that are really sufficient at eliminating very large populations are biologicals. So what are the odds that some lab in America, Europe or Russia have some germ warfare weapons under development that will depopulate much of Africa?

    I don't know, indeed I probably can't know. But it is quite likely that some in the Pentagon have contingency plans in place right now.

    If the West paid pensions (by whatever name) to heads of families in sub Saharan Africa conditional on the females in the family continuing in education and training or fulltime employment outside the home AND having ni children till thry were 25+ I would be willing to bet kn a high take up.

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  40. @nsa
    Isn't Ste(i)n the Zio Dead Ender who relentlessly promoted all the forever wars in the ME and North Africa? Zio Ste(i)n even subs for the Zio host on a well known Zio radio show dedicated to promoting all the usual traitorous Izzy Firster stuff.....endless destruction, murder, and displacement of muzzie populations. Now Zio Dead Ender Ste(i)n is being offered as a savior of western civilization and the white race?????

    I don’t think Steyn is Jewish. Apart from some Orthodox I have never known Jews to be against abortion as he is.

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    Protestant with some Jewish ancestry, I think.
  41. … Europe flatlining at around half a billion through the rest of this century while the population of Africa rockets up to over four billion:

    Trees don’t grow to the sky.

    Also: You can’t have any kind of welfare state, and also Open Borders. It’s the real-world “screen door on a submarine”.

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  42. The population of Africa only matters if they are allowed to export their surplus people in the same way as Mexico and Guatemala. There doesn’t seem to be much stomach for that now and there will be even less as our economies stagnate.

    Africa is already reaching its Malthusian limits. African wildlife will disappear and that will be the end of the tourist industry. As African sinks into the abyss travelling to and from the ‘Dark Continent’ will become as difficult as it was when Stanley went in search of Livingstone or during the ebola outbreak in Liberia and Sierra Leone more recently. Airlines stopped flights and only military transport got in.

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  43. The “Arctic Alliance” always seemed quite arbitrary to me. Russian corruption and their “despotic-bureaucratic” culture makes them an odd companion to NW Europe. The Chinese don’t have anything in common with us, genetically or culturally.

    You could make an argument for Japan and South Korea, based on convergent cultural institutions. But Russia, China, and good chunks of Eastern Europe just don’t make sense to me.

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    • Replies: @rw95
    To paraphrase another commenter, the Derb will do anything to rationalize his gook family.
    , @Anonymous
    Chinese are smart. In simple terms, they have the same raw horsepower as Europeans. Cultural differences are very real but less innate.

    Similar smart people: Russians, Koreans, Japanese

    Not smart: Austronesians, Africans

    In between: Arabs, Thais
  44. @Anonymous
    Why doesn't global warming matter? If it's in combination with other factors of instability that is what could lead to huge levels of migration to Europe. Without global warming the African standard of living should keep on rising, modest annual gains but it's a continuous trend.

    Why doesn’t global warming matter?

    Because so-called “””global warming””” is fake news.

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  45. Berlusconi on Macron – a “39-year-old lad, with good work experience under him and most of all with a good looking mom”.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/16/silvio-berlusconi-says-emmanuel-macron-nice-lad-good-looking/

    Berlusconi, 80, is currently “seeing” a 31 year old.

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  46. This topic could have easily been brought up without having to make any reference to a talentless hack like Mark Steyn. The man has always been a stupid partisan cheerleader, doing things like claiming for months that the Abu Ghraib torture leaks were photoshopped.
    Otherwise intelligent people pay attention to idiots like Steyn over genuine journalists like John Pilger because they won’t leave their political bubble. It doesn’t matter if you’re “left” or “right” when you write for lobby groups.

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  47. @Simon in London
    Arctic alliance - from talking to them I'd say the Chinese do bear us white Westerners some good will, and are moderately sad at the thought we'll die out. But they certainly aren't going to save us. We have to save ourselves.

    Yes, it’s like having a wealthy, landowning neighbour who you like well enough, but who’s hopelessly naive and keeps getting ripped off. He’s a strong guy and no one can rob or browbeat him, but he’s a sucker for a sob story or his dodgy investment salesman brother-in-law.

    You feel sorry for him, but there’s not much you can do except perhaps make sure you’re in position to get some of his acreage before other people do.

    “Phaemon’s dog was right”

    http://stefangeens.com/2001-2013/2001/06/phaemons-dog-was-right/

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  48. @Anonymous
    85 years is plenty of time for new technology to ease hardships for everyone in the world. Even if the African population rises to 4 billion by 2100, technology will have lifted everyone out of extreme poverty. Just look at how the population of Africa has doubled since 1990 but extreme poverty is way down.

    You’re a moron moron moron
    By giving africans our technology, or since they cant usually maintain something as complex as a generator, the fruits of our technology -cash food medicine, we have been the ones to upset the ecological balance of african demographics and there evolutionary fate, that kept their population below 500,000 for millennia, to exploding in the past 100 years.

    Its MORONS LIKE YOU,AND BONO SOROS GATES ETAL that should be sent to africa as slaves to help pay for the children you fathered by proxy, children with average IQs below 65 that can never ever ever survive in a modern civilization except on handouts, and that offer no other social value they are extremely violent, promiscuous, short time oriented and stupid. They should have been reduced to sustainable populations that could live as the neolithic hunter gatherers they evolved to be and were before do good christian missionaries and commies interfered.Managed lke all the other large african fauna. All the sneakers and AK47s taken away and restored to thatched huts.

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    Rough way to say it, but I concur with the notion.

    Isn't there an old joke about Africa, something like:

    Q: What do you get when you feed a billion starving Africans?
    A: Ten billion starving Africans.

    Those who can project trends have little difficulty imagining what the future holds. Those who steep in a time of belief in unlimited resources don't see things this way, however.

    Few people seem to realize that how herds of men (and WOMEN) think changes and trends. Fads in hemline length, pop culture, and music are absolutely the same as in politics.

    For 50 years people have embraced a fad called "unlimited resources," and the last 35 years have seen an entire fantasy castle in the sky erected to house, feed and clothe legions of humanity for which there's no room.

    Look for "global climate change" to be elbowed aside in favor of very real worries about dying oceans, collapsing fisheries, persistent chemical contamination of waterways and trash piling up to Everest-sized concerns. The input to all these major fears will be the number of people on Planet Earth, and the fertility of Africa will eventually be seen as far worse than today's "CO2" production.

    Today's Dominant Left wants to elevate the World's Poor to join us in our cornucopia of wealth, but it seems to never occur to them as they donate barely-worn last-years-fashions to the Salvation Army that there's simply no way to dispose of the TRASH produced by their vision. An Earth with 9 billion people living like Americans will undoubtedly leave a dead planet, and an Earth whose populace returns to a more "sustainable" lifestyle (of say the 18th century) is a planet with mountains of human skulls, because no way-no how can the 18th century feed 9 billion (or even 3 billion) people.

  49. @Wizard of Oz
    You have scaled the heights of ignorance. Can there be anyone else who exposes himself on a blog who is so ignorant of the world's demographics? Apparently never heard of China's decades long one-child policy and its legacy of an ageing population. Not to mention the normal effect of urbanisation on fertility.

    Conclusion: you engage in kindergarten level rudeness wthout relation to facts. Indeed it is surprising that you managed to use words.

    As a wizard, surely you must recognize that the virulence of your reply is a direct outcome of the veraciy of mine.

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    I congratulate you on your new found urbanity. It is indeed good to reach the stage in life where one"s errors are merely to be regarded as an opportunity to learn something even if you choose not to advertise it. But you were rude to/about JD and family.
  50. @Wizard of Oz
    I don't think Steyn is Jewish. Apart from some Orthodox I have never known Jews to be against abortion as he is.

    Protestant with some Jewish ancestry, I think.

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  51. Global warming? Sure. Russian hacking? Oh definitely. Homosexual marriage? Let’s have a debate!

    But … world demographics? Why would you be interested in that? What are you, some kind of Nazi?

    Son, it’s how religion/culture/ideology/bullshit/scientism works… it’s not a bug, it’s a feature. [my new favorite sentence]

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  52. Jim Goad also wrote about the ‘barren’ and homosexual leaders of Europe. Do you two trade notes? lol
    On a serious note that guy Steyn is the new golden Jew as a ‘sage’ talking head on cable, I forget which outlet though, not that it matters.
    Beware the power of the CABAL.

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    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
    Despite the name, I do not believe that Mark Steyn is Jewish.
  53. @Truth
    Just think. Why are millions of black African males headed to Europe?

    1. To learn Western philosophy from Socrates to Sartre.

    2. To master economic theories of Adam Smith and Ricardo.

    3. To study the classical works of Vivaldi, Mozart, and Brahams.

    4. To appreciate the literature of Goethe and Proust.

    Well I talked to a Nigerian Homie of mine, and he said, and I quote:

    "Anon, you must know thyself, so put on Four Seasons and please understand this Theory of Moral Sentiments; Your Overlords desire it, so deal with it quietly like a good little Boy. I see that you know it, but knowing is not enough, I see that you have will, but willing is not enough, YOU MUST DO!..

    "And if you are willing to do nothing, simply develop an appreciation for black sports, comedy and music, for then you may be grateful for the people who make you happy, they will make your soul, and your daughter's loins, happy."

    YOU MUST DO

    People do a lot. People are getting better and better at avoiding the Black man. The country is more segregated now than ever. More gated communities; more Amazon drones; more home entertainment; all in service to avoiding the Black man. It’s all good.

    It would also be nice if we could get some help from the Black man in this endeavor, such as leaving us alone.

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  54. @RealAmerican
    As a wizard, surely you must recognize that the virulence of your reply is a direct outcome of the veraciy of mine.

    I congratulate you on your new found urbanity. It is indeed good to reach the stage in life where one”s errors are merely to be regarded as an opportunity to learn something even if you choose not to advertise it. But you were rude to/about JD and family.

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  55. @Z-man
    Jim Goad also wrote about the 'barren' and homosexual leaders of Europe. Do you two trade notes? lol
    On a serious note that guy Steyn is the new golden Jew as a 'sage' talking head on cable, I forget which outlet though, not that it matters.
    Beware the power of the CABAL.

    Despite the name, I do not believe that Mark Steyn is Jewish.

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  56. “Despite the name, I do not believe that Mark Steyn is Jewish.”

    Yes, he is Jewish. So is he a “good” Jew? Or, does he come from group of people who ultimately cannot be trusted given their Zionist tendencies and desire to rule the world?

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    The latter.
    , @Intelligent Dasein
    Mark Steyn is a most 1/8th Jewish and by blood and his family has been Catholic for three generations, you fucking gay idiot.
  57. @Pat Boyle
    I keep wondering how hard it would be to reduce the population of Africa by 80% to 90%. And what would be the most effective technology?

    If iSteve is right and we face a deluge of unskilled and hostile Africans we should think about this now. The problem is that at this time before the crisis point, it seems immoral to contemplate genocide. Maybe something will come up that keeps us from having to face this problem. Maybe we won't actually have to figure out how to kill a billion Africans.

    Obviously small arms will be insufficient. No one has that many bullets. Artillery or conventional high explosive bombing are likewise probably insufficient. We could not adopt a Nazi like approach either. The Jews were and remain a minor people in terms of numbers. Less than one percent of Germany was Jewish in 1933.

    Chemical weapons are also unlikely to be major factor. The only weapons that are really sufficient at eliminating very large populations are biologicals. So what are the odds that some lab in America, Europe or Russia have some germ warfare weapons under development that will depopulate much of Africa?

    I don't know, indeed I probably can't know. But it is quite likely that some in the Pentagon have contingency plans in place right now.

    John Derbyshire: “Global warming? Sure. Russian hacking? Oh definitely. Homosexual marriage? Let’s have a debate! But … world demographics? Why would you be interested in that? What are you, some kind of Nazi?”

    Pat Boyle: “I keep wondering how hard it would be to reduce the population of Africa by 80% to 90%. And what would be the most effective technology? If iSteve is right and we face a deluge of unskilled and hostile Africans we should think about this now…. Obviously small arms will be insufficient. No one has that many bullets. Artillery or conventional high explosive bombing are likewise probably insufficient….”

    …………………………………

    So, the answer, Mr Derbyshire, is this: Yes, you are “some kind” of Nazi, in the sense that as soon as you bring this up, in the way that you bring it up , you open the door to the Pat Boyles of the world, now calmly, rationally discussing the practical matter of how 80-90% of the blacks in the world might be murdered as an urgent and obviously-necessary measure to combat the Rising Tide of Color Against White World-Supremacy.

    There’s an alternative. You could bring it up in a different way. Rather than viewing those four billion people as a threat, and their situation (in Africa) as hopeless, you could be humanistic, realistic and optimistic, all at once. You could discuss the economic development of Africa, which is proceeding rather well (though it could be better of course). You could discuss China’s efforts to build out African infrastructure and integrate that continent into the OBOR initiative — a plan with vast positive implications, not least for Africans. You could discuss Africa’s incredible agricultural and industrial potential, almost entirely unrealized. You could discuss the well-documented ways in which the West has traditionally (and to this day) looted Africa, and how this has retarded development, and how this could be stopped, to the great benefit of Africans. You could discuss the ways in which development will precipitate/speed the demographic transition, such that four billion is not a fait acompli, but rather just one projection based on trends that could be changed. (It could easily be three billion.) You could discuss the ways in which development, improved nutrition, improved education, sanitation, public health, medicine, and so on, will all synergize to raise — probably dramatically raise — population I.Q.s in areas where they had been depressed, (and I trust I need not lecture you on the great significance of this), while at the same time causing greatly reduced fertility. You could discuss the ways in which the U.S., with its vast wealth, could participate, like China, in developing Africa (among other positive actions) rather than pissing away $trillions on wars. And on and on and ON.

    You COULD discuss all of those things. Those things are much more important than a single bald population projection, one which (predictably) brings out of the woodwork overt genocidalist Nazi scum like Pat Boyle.
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    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @bomag

    You COULD discuss all of those things
     
    All those things are under discussion. The race is on to see if economic development can outpace demographic destruction.

    But a lot has been invested in Africa, and the knowledge of how to build modern societies is apparent and abundant; but the returns have been paltry from that cohort. We've got better places to put our money. We need to wall them off.
    , @Pat Boyle
    You don't seem to like me very much. I'll have to learn to live with that.

    You say I'm a 'genocidalist Nazi scum'. No, I'm just a simple small government Republican. I'm retired now but I used to be a social worker. I don't advocate genocide but it is certainly possible that there will be genocide whether we want it or not.

    The future looks to be different from the past. If we have explosive population growth in black Africa, it will be controlled one way or another. If we do nothing the population will come up against some natural limit. One natural limit is food. Another is water. Having the population limited by those kind of natural processes is far more unpleasant that any kind of human guided population control.

    You seem to be proposing a hideous nightmare scenario for Africa where we let the continent sink into misery and squalor.

    What are you - some kind of monster?
    , @Wizard of Oz
    How has the West "looted" Africa so as to make Africans poorer? Even buying and exporting slaves can scarcely be argued to be impoverishing, to take the worst case. New crops on newly cleared land? Discovery of and investment in mineral resources of no known value to Africans? Introducing literacy and a religion that was a little more compatible with the modern world?

    Like most barely numerate people you simply ignore the numbers. The world's poulation was manageably small - although life tended to be harsh brutish and short in Malthusian times - but the West had made it possible for near disastrous multiplication to occur.
    , @Joe Schmoe

    You could discuss the well-documented ways in which the West has traditionally (and to this day) looted Africa, and how this has retarded development, and how this could be stopped, to the great benefit of Africans.
     
    Have you been to Detroit?

    The notion that you can just teach people how to do better and they will do better is bull. Blacks run detroit and it is subsidized by the US gov't and has access to all that the USA has to offer and just look at it.

    We all wish Africans could get it together and be successful, but we have no honest reason to believe they can even with enormous support. We have tried that experiment many times over and it fails.
    , @Ace
    ** You could discuss the ways in which development, improved nutrition, improved education, sanitation, public health, medicine, and so on, will all synergize to raise — probably dramatically raise — population I.Q.s in areas where they had been depressed .... **

    For a moment there I thought you were talking about East St. Louis.
  58. @Anonymous
    85 years is plenty of time for new technology to ease hardships for everyone in the world. Even if the African population rises to 4 billion by 2100, technology will have lifted everyone out of extreme poverty. Just look at how the population of Africa has doubled since 1990 but extreme poverty is way down.

    Your comment is emblematic of what “people think” when resources appear unlimited.

    I doubt you recall the 1970′s, when the topics that dominated headlines were
    –running out of landfill space.
    –overpopulation.
    –concerns over pesticides, toxins, etc.

    The 1970′s were a time of low social mood (the barometer of this is the stock market, and it was in a sideways bear market.)

    I submit to you that the SS Pollyanna on which you sail is nothing but an artifact of our times. You read it here first: when stocks fall from these heights and the next decline doesn’t simply reverse like the last two bear markets, those concerns from the 1970′s will come back to dominate.

    You will no longer be sanguine about a Planet Earth with 9 billion people on it.

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  59. @Colleen Pater
    You're a moron moron moron
    By giving africans our technology, or since they cant usually maintain something as complex as a generator, the fruits of our technology -cash food medicine, we have been the ones to upset the ecological balance of african demographics and there evolutionary fate, that kept their population below 500,000 for millennia, to exploding in the past 100 years.

    Its MORONS LIKE YOU,AND BONO SOROS GATES ETAL that should be sent to africa as slaves to help pay for the children you fathered by proxy, children with average IQs below 65 that can never ever ever survive in a modern civilization except on handouts, and that offer no other social value they are extremely violent, promiscuous, short time oriented and stupid. They should have been reduced to sustainable populations that could live as the neolithic hunter gatherers they evolved to be and were before do good christian missionaries and commies interfered.Managed lke all the other large african fauna. All the sneakers and AK47s taken away and restored to thatched huts.

    Rough way to say it, but I concur with the notion.

    Isn’t there an old joke about Africa, something like:

    Q: What do you get when you feed a billion starving Africans?
    A: Ten billion starving Africans.

    Those who can project trends have little difficulty imagining what the future holds. Those who steep in a time of belief in unlimited resources don’t see things this way, however.

    Few people seem to realize that how herds of men (and WOMEN) think changes and trends. Fads in hemline length, pop culture, and music are absolutely the same as in politics.

    For 50 years people have embraced a fad called “unlimited resources,” and the last 35 years have seen an entire fantasy castle in the sky erected to house, feed and clothe legions of humanity for which there’s no room.

    Look for “global climate change” to be elbowed aside in favor of very real worries about dying oceans, collapsing fisheries, persistent chemical contamination of waterways and trash piling up to Everest-sized concerns. The input to all these major fears will be the number of people on Planet Earth, and the fertility of Africa will eventually be seen as far worse than today’s “CO2″ production.

    Today’s Dominant Left wants to elevate the World’s Poor to join us in our cornucopia of wealth, but it seems to never occur to them as they donate barely-worn last-years-fashions to the Salvation Army that there’s simply no way to dispose of the TRASH produced by their vision. An Earth with 9 billion people living like Americans will undoubtedly leave a dead planet, and an Earth whose populace returns to a more “sustainable” lifestyle (of say the 18th century) is a planet with mountains of human skulls, because no way-no how can the 18th century feed 9 billion (or even 3 billion) people.

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    • Replies: @alan2102
    "Q: What do you get when you feed a billion starving Africans?
    A: Ten billion starving Africans."

    Actually, the opposite is true. Severe resource constraint is the main driver of high fertility; the most desperately-impoverished have the most kids. Paradoxical, but true. I would love to be able to report that we could get rid of the blacks by letting them all starve to death and die of untreated diseases, but sadly, I cannot. Would that the solution to our problems be so simple and elegant! No, I'm afraid we can limit their population only by feeding them, vaccinating them, taking care of their most fundamental needs. That is the main thing that causes the demographic transition to kick in, and fertility to drop off. "Letting nature take its course", i.e. letting them starve and letting disease run rampant, is the sure-fire way to a gigantic population explosion.
  60. @Corvinus
    "Despite the name, I do not believe that Mark Steyn is Jewish."

    Yes, he is Jewish. So is he a "good" Jew? Or, does he come from group of people who ultimately cannot be trusted given their Zionist tendencies and desire to rule the world?

    The latter.

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  61. Counter-examples: Adolf Hitler had no children; his NSDAP government promoted natalist policies, outlawed abortion etc.. Stalin had three children and USSR had easy divorce, state provision of abortion, encouraged women workers, destroyed millions of families.

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    Stalin had three children and USSR had easy divorce, state provision of abortion, encouraged women workers, destroyed millions of families.
     
    False, Stalin's USSR stigmatized divorce and outlawed abortion.
    , @annamaria
    Abortion was criminalized under Stalin (though there were certain humane provisions that put to shame the sanctimonious US X-tians, particularly catholics, who accept imperial slaughter abroad as a norm).
    Mr. Hyde (of Hyde Amendment) would feel himself in haven re "sanctity of life" under Stalin. Never mind that Hyde was a promiscuous scoundrel and outstanding hypocrite who destroyed a family with three (3) young children. It is quite possible that his mistress had an abortion.
  62. Africa population has been effectively managed by the U.N. and various NGOs using it as a ‘petri-dish’ testing their concoctions and trying out disease variants and making sure that children didn’t survive in great numbers. The mandating of ‘green’ technology has effectively kept large parts in a virtual stone age where medicine spoils and food rots. They may now be bored with it all and are letting the natural human tendency to advance take place. If the people are allowed to have health children, the chart cited will become a reality.

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    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    If Western fools simply stop sending food, money, etc., to Africa, its population will fairly soon be lower than it is now.
  63. @Hugh Myronbrough
    The "Arctic Alliance" always seemed quite arbitrary to me. Russian corruption and their "despotic-bureaucratic" culture makes them an odd companion to NW Europe. The Chinese don't have anything in common with us, genetically or culturally.

    You could make an argument for Japan and South Korea, based on convergent cultural institutions. But Russia, China, and good chunks of Eastern Europe just don't make sense to me.

    To paraphrase another commenter, the Derb will do anything to rationalize his gook family.

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  64. @Wizard of Oz
    I've long thought that the Chinese (and) Indians won't allow a lot of Arabs to mess up their supplies of hydrocarbons. Now you remind me of Francis Galton's June 1864 letter to The Times headed "Africa for the Chinese". Surely the Chinese will impose a bit of discipline on Africa, maybe even introduce them to birth control.

    Surely the Chinese will impose a bit of discipline on Africa,

    LOL, you guys have been in love with this fantasy for 10 years now.

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    LOL, you guys have been in love with this fantasy for 10 years now.

     

    Hah.....no kidding! Like trying to impose civilization on the malevolent monkeys in Jumanji!


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmoNj59Ozug
    , @Wizard of Oz
    Who do you mean by "you guys"?
  65. @Pat Boyle
    I keep wondering how hard it would be to reduce the population of Africa by 80% to 90%. And what would be the most effective technology?

    If iSteve is right and we face a deluge of unskilled and hostile Africans we should think about this now. The problem is that at this time before the crisis point, it seems immoral to contemplate genocide. Maybe something will come up that keeps us from having to face this problem. Maybe we won't actually have to figure out how to kill a billion Africans.

    Obviously small arms will be insufficient. No one has that many bullets. Artillery or conventional high explosive bombing are likewise probably insufficient. We could not adopt a Nazi like approach either. The Jews were and remain a minor people in terms of numbers. Less than one percent of Germany was Jewish in 1933.

    Chemical weapons are also unlikely to be major factor. The only weapons that are really sufficient at eliminating very large populations are biologicals. So what are the odds that some lab in America, Europe or Russia have some germ warfare weapons under development that will depopulate much of Africa?

    I don't know, indeed I probably can't know. But it is quite likely that some in the Pentagon have contingency plans in place right now.

    You’ll be dead in 10 years, what are you worried about?

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  66. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    “Rapidly growing populations are often aggressive. They both enjoy and suffer from an abundance of young men seeking new places for themselves in the world …”
    The Oxford Companion to American Military History
    Edited by John Whiteclay Chambers

    The Global South is at war with the Global North. Europe is tottering. USA elected a President based on his promise to defend us.

    “Offense scores points, defense wins championships.”

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  67. @Anonymous
    Also there's the Chinese effect on Africa. When Zimbabwe sized the land of thousands of white land owners their economy almost instantly collapsed. We all know that. But the turnaround isn't often mentioned.

    The chief crop in Zim is tobacco. Output collapsed after the land was taken but with Chinese loans and purchases, the situation steadily improved. Several years ago tobacco output even almost reached the record year in 2000 when landowners were not disturbed by Mugabe. The economy has also come back to life and migration to South Africa in the millions has stopped.

    Mmmmmm. Tobacco is good eatin’ just add a little sugar and milk.

    Population expands directly proportional to the amount of food available to feed that population. So the breadbasket of Africa is now in the tobacco business. Makes sense to me.

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    If it's a choice of growing maize versus tobacco to better feed the population then tobacco wins hands down. It's money generated from exports that feeds a population not home grown maize.
  68. @millermp1
    "the African standard of living should keep on rising, modest annual gains but it’s a continuous trend."

    This is not a foregone conclusion. They can barely keep from defecating where they eat now. Would a 10X population explosion help the situation?

    I have long ago converted to becoming a _huge_ fan of catastrophic climate change. There is no entlosung at this point short of Mother Nature shaking cutting her apron strings.

    It's barbaric, but I would rather take my chances at geo-engineering the Earth back to something habitable with a vigorously pruned family tree than assume we can bring civilization to where it has never flourished.

    I do not know what you mean by “I have long converted to becoming a_huge_fan of catastrophic climate change.” Does that mean:

    1. I believe that planet Earth will be undergoing catastrophic climate change. Or:

    2. I look forward to catastrophic climate change to cleanse the Earth of the useless eaters and reproducers (of course, that does not include me), that I may sip my latte to the sound of wild nightingales?

    If you mean Option 2, as I think you do, remember the scene of the Sorcerer’s Apprentice from Disney’s Fantasia, in which Mickey Mouse let things get totally out of hand. Climate change is a stuck accelerator on a vehicle which lacks sufficient braking mechanisms. Higher temperatures and longer summers in the Northern Hemisphere means better conditions for both fungi and beetles, which means more tree disease, which means more dead trees, which means more chance of catastrophic forest fires, which means more CO2 liberated into the atmosphere, which means more infrared radiation reflected back to Earth, which means warmer oceans and landmass, which means higher temperatures and longer summers in the Northern Hemisphere. Wash. Rinse. Repeat. Positive feedback is a bitch.

    Earth could, in a “worst case” scenario, become as hot (and, of course, as dead) as our sister planet Venus. See “Low simulated radiation limit for runaway greenhouse climates” (Goldblatt, Robinson, Zahnle, and Crisp), Nature Geoscience, 28 July 2013 (online edition).

    Derbyshire, apparently, does not have time to read Goldblatt et al. If perchance he found the time to do so, it would force him onto his fainting couch with a bottle of sal volatile.

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  69. Apr 23, 2017 G. Edward Griffin: Exposing The Creature From Jekyll Island

    G. Edward Griffin, the author of the seminal book on the formation of the Federal Reserve, The Creature of Jekyll Island, joins the podcast this week to add his perspective to our ongoing critical examination of the Fed and the impact its actions are having on society.

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  70. @alan2102
    John Derbyshire: "Global warming? Sure. Russian hacking? Oh definitely. Homosexual marriage? Let’s have a debate! But … world demographics? Why would you be interested in that? What are you, some kind of Nazi?"

    Pat Boyle: "I keep wondering how hard it would be to reduce the population of Africa by 80% to 90%. And what would be the most effective technology? If iSteve is right and we face a deluge of unskilled and hostile Africans we should think about this now.... Obviously small arms will be insufficient. No one has that many bullets. Artillery or conventional high explosive bombing are likewise probably insufficient...."

    .......................................

    So, the answer, Mr Derbyshire, is this: Yes, you are "some kind" of Nazi, in the sense that as soon as you bring this up, in the way that you bring it up , you open the door to the Pat Boyles of the world, now calmly, rationally discussing the practical matter of how 80-90% of the blacks in the world might be murdered as an urgent and obviously-necessary measure to combat the Rising Tide of Color Against White World-Supremacy.

    There's an alternative. You could bring it up in a different way. Rather than viewing those four billion people as a threat, and their situation (in Africa) as hopeless, you could be humanistic, realistic and optimistic, all at once. You could discuss the economic development of Africa, which is proceeding rather well (though it could be better of course). You could discuss China's efforts to build out African infrastructure and integrate that continent into the OBOR initiative -- a plan with vast positive implications, not least for Africans. You could discuss Africa's incredible agricultural and industrial potential, almost entirely unrealized. You could discuss the well-documented ways in which the West has traditionally (and to this day) looted Africa, and how this has retarded development, and how this could be stopped, to the great benefit of Africans. You could discuss the ways in which development will precipitate/speed the demographic transition, such that four billion is not a fait acompli, but rather just one projection based on trends that could be changed. (It could easily be three billion.) You could discuss the ways in which development, improved nutrition, improved education, sanitation, public health, medicine, and so on, will all synergize to raise -- probably dramatically raise -- population I.Q.s in areas where they had been depressed, (and I trust I need not lecture you on the great significance of this), while at the same time causing greatly reduced fertility. You could discuss the ways in which the U.S., with its vast wealth, could participate, like China, in developing Africa (among other positive actions) rather than pissing away $trillions on wars. And on and on and ON.

    You COULD discuss all of those things. Those things are much more important than a single bald population projection, one which (predictably) brings out of the woodwork overt genocidalist Nazi scum like Pat Boyle.
    .

    You COULD discuss all of those things

    All those things are under discussion. The race is on to see if economic development can outpace demographic destruction.

    But a lot has been invested in Africa, and the knowledge of how to build modern societies is apparent and abundant; but the returns have been paltry from that cohort. We’ve got better places to put our money. We need to wall them off.

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    Bomag: "a lot has been invested in Africa"

    You've got it backwards.

    ..............................

    "Africa's classic depiction in the mainstream media, as a giant basketcase full of endless war, famine and helpless children creates an illusion of a continent utterly dependent on Western handouts. In fact, the precise opposite is true -- IT IS THE WEST THAT IS RELIANT ON AFRICAN HANDOUTS. These handouts come in many and varied forms...".

    ..............................

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_Europe_Underdeveloped_Africa --- How Europe Underdeveloped Africa by Walter Rodney

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2005/aug/20/past.hearafrica05 --- The wealth of the west was built on Africa's exploitation, by Richard Drayton

    https://web.archive.org/web/20070227032717/http://www.liberationafrique.org/IMG/pdf/TJN4Africa.pdf --- Looting Africa: Some Facts and Figures

    http://ccs.ukzn.ac.za/files/bond%20looting%20africa.pdf --- Looting Africa: The economics of exploitation, By Patrick Bond [online book; full text is free]

    http://public.worldfreemansociety.org/index.php/33-john-pilger-islamic-terrorism-is-the-invented-excuse-for-theft-of-africa-s-riches --- John Pilger: "Islamic terrorism" is the invented excuse for theft of Africa's riches

    , @MBlanc46
    Return on investment in technological development in a continent (or part of a continent) where the mean IQ is in the seventies is not likely to be great.
  71. @Anon
    Muslims are far less a threat than black Africans.

    ACOWW, or Afro-Colonization of White Wombs will be the greatest threat to the white race.

    Arabs, Muslims, and Pakistanis may conquer European land, but most white women are not turned on by these men. So, the threat will be demographic and territorial, not necessarily genetic and biological.

    In contrast, because of black dominance in sports, music culture, and sexual expression -- plus the promotion of black-male/white-female union as the neo-edenic ideal by European state itself --, there is the great danger that not only will black Africans conquer Europe territorially and beat up weaker/slower white males BUT that they will colonize white women infected with junglois feverois.

    And indeed all those black African males are coming for that very reason.

    Just think. Why are millions of black African males headed to Europe?

    1. To learn Western philosophy from Socrates to Sartre.

    2. To master economic theories of Adam Smith and Ricardo.

    3. To study the classical works of Vivaldi, Mozart, and Brahams.

    4. To appreciate the literature of Goethe and Proust.

    5. To party and dance, hump tons of white women, colonize white wombs, and live off the welfare state provided by whites.

    Sure, some people can pretend it's 1-4, but we know it is #5 for 99% of them.
    And even the kind of culture they assimilate into is American Rap Culture, not European high culture that is ignored by Europeans themselves.

    Well said! Black Africans of any religious persuasion pose the greatest long-term threat to white civilization.

    And Derbyshire is incorrect when he implies that the most hopelessly primitive area in the world–sub-Saharan Africa–is largely Muslim.

    Black, sub-Saharan Africa is primarily Christian. It is North Africa that is largely Muslim. White, European missionaries exported Christianity along with European colonization to that continent’s darkest regions. Nevertheless, sub-Saharan Africa remains primitive, dangerous, disorderly and poor.

    When it comes to affluence and social order, race trumps religion.

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  72. Africa … nuke the entire site from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.

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    • Replies: @Truth
    Well except for two small, rather insignificant problems;

    There are no "nukes" and no "orbit."
  73. Completely right, the overpopulation of this planet is the biggest problem.

    But there is another side to immigration into Europe, than cultural conflicts, erupting into civil was, as is already the case in France, this summer martial law has been there for two years, and I do not see how it ever will be lifted.
    The other side is intelligence, hereditary to a great extent.
    Thilo Sarrazin, ‘Deutschland schafft sich ab, Wie wir unser Land aufs Spiel setzen’, München 2010

    Sarrazin argues that more and more immigrants, not too clever, with high numbers of children, and highly intelligent German woman, wich few or no children, are ruining Germany.
    As German industrialists say ‘wir exportieren Intelligenz’, translated ‘we export IQ’, they try to say that German export depends in intelligence, the ability to make intelligent products.

    An example is that the one and only firm in the world that can make propellors for supertankers, is German.
    For every SE Asian built supertanker or container ship, a propellor makes the long journey oversea from Germany to SE Asia.

    Alas the main religions of this world, al derived from judaism, still tell their believers to multiply.

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    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    See your points, but I don't think Hinduism is derived from Judaism, and it has well more than one billion adherents.

    As for overpopulation, would you really want white people to have even fewer children than they do now?

    , @Ace
    I've listened to a lot of Christian sermons, Bible studies, and radio and TV programs and I've NEVER, that's NEVER heard having children presented as a duty. Let alone mentioned.

    I know it says go forth and multiply in the Bible somewhere but that's it. What Protestants seem to obsess about is faith v. good works. And endless hair splitting over doctrine.

    I think Catholics ignore the birth control stuff but they'll have to speak for themselves.
  74. @John Jeremiah Smith
    Africa ... nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

    Well except for two small, rather insignificant problems;

    There are no “nukes” and no “orbit.”

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    • Replies: @John Jeremiah Smith

    There are no “nukes” and no “orbit.”
     
    Don't be silly. Both American and Russian nuclear bombs are stationed on orbital platforms. They are more vulnerable than Tridents, perhaps, but it's a question of 2nd-strike capability. Contrary to official cant, Trident subs are easily tracked and sunk. Orbital platforms are easy to hit, but difficult to ID decoys.
  75. One there was the Laffer Curve.

    Now there is The Graph.

    It seems conservatives/reactionaries cannot get enough of curves.

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  76. It indeed is a sad sight seeing S Africa deteriorating, blaming it on the whites, who keep the country running, as far as possible.
    Cries like ‘a bullet for a Boer’ may result in starvation for large numbers of blacks.
    Zimbabwe is the ‘shining’ example.

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  77. It’s way past the time when we high-IQ, low-fertility, long-civilized Arctic peoples—the whites and the yellows—can afford to bicker among ourselves, about election hacking or anything else. We should be putting our smart, pale heads together to plan a geostrategy to preserve our nations, our civilization,

    That should be the goal, but it does not seem that it will ever happen. Especially in this country, which is teeming with reality denying liberalism, and antagonistic leftism. You cannot confront a problem when you cannot even agree on what the problem is.

    Having foreigners in a land would not be as bad if the balkanization factor was not included. But beyond diversity, the leftist SJW types are creating outright hostility in this nation by training Afro Americans with:
    - – Blame whitey for everything,
    - – Telling Afro Americans that they are a disproportionate amount of prisoners, without admitting that they cause a disproportionate amount of the violent crime (they kill more of their fellow citizens than any other group, including terrorism),
    - – Inculcating them with the concept of an economic free lunch (that they do not have to work for), which is simply not sustainable in the long term,
    - – Providing them with feel good education in false self esteem that doesn’t create real skills & accomplishments.

    Like many other past civilizations that lived beyond their carrying capacity (money or resources), we are in a longterm decline. Probably in about four generations (approx 120 years), since this bad social experiment started in the late 1960s, this nation will degenerate into a third world nation full of scarcity (providing nothing is done to reverse this trend).

    Add the leftist created factor of hostile racial balkanization with Afro Americans, will cause a whole new level of violence to our decline (most Afro Americans do not understand limits, and will go through very violent temper tantrums once shortages exist, – – actually they acutely do that now, but in a economically scarce conditions, the violence won’t end). Many Afro Americans are just the useful idiot pawns of the New Left SJW, ignorantly controlled to do their political bidding, and there is no indication that they will ever wake up from this self destructive trance.

    What is required to rectify this decay is not the elimination of Afros, or foreigners, but the elimination of the New Left/SJW ideologues, who are nothing more than intellectual domestic enemies. Eventually the unfolding chaos & decline will cause them to die off. But by then a great damage will have already been done, so why wait until then? We all ( including Afros) depend on the vitality of a nation to economically sustain us (and our future descendants); yet we are allowing this New Left SJW ilk to sabotage the system that we all depend on for sustenance. (Note I do not include sincere Libs among this Leftist ilk; Libs are just mistaken with naive myopic ideas for a better world). The choice is clear: either continue to allow Leftist scum to ruin this nation, or we do not allow them to put this nation’s future in jeopardy of becoming an economic ruin.

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  78. @Ray P
    Counter-examples: Adolf Hitler had no children; his NSDAP government promoted natalist policies, outlawed abortion etc.. Stalin had three children and USSR had easy divorce, state provision of abortion, encouraged women workers, destroyed millions of families.

    Stalin had three children and USSR had easy divorce, state provision of abortion, encouraged women workers, destroyed millions of families.

    False, Stalin’s USSR stigmatized divorce and outlawed abortion.

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    • Replies: @Ray P
    Abortion became a minor offense in 1936, eight years into Stalin's rule. According to the decree, public reprimand for first offense; 300 roubles fine thereafter. Like a traffic violation.
  79. @Truth
    Well except for two small, rather insignificant problems;

    There are no "nukes" and no "orbit."

    There are no “nukes” and no “orbit.”

    Don’t be silly. Both American and Russian nuclear bombs are stationed on orbital platforms. They are more vulnerable than Tridents, perhaps, but it’s a question of 2nd-strike capability. Contrary to official cant, Trident subs are easily tracked and sunk. Orbital platforms are easy to hit, but difficult to ID decoys.

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    • Replies: @Truth
    All theatre.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65D2qCNHHNE

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ot83oQQXHHA
  80. Steve, Congratulations on the national-level exposure, well deserved!

    Wow, Steyn *killing it* on immigration! I do listen to him when he subs for Rush, he is MUCH better. Rush never would talk about immigration in these terms, oh goodness, he would have a fainting spell. Better to focus on the Comey-Clapper-Brennan sideshow and who said what in a committee hearing, geez he would get his listeners all riled up. Rush also never would refer to “the last remaining heterosexual in Belgium”, either!

    Would love to hear Steyn interview Steve King on immigration and culture.

    If a nation’s birthrate is declining, much better to suck up the declines in toilet paper sales than transfer your country into a third world he LL hole. Population growth rates can change, and increase, and a smaller population usually means a better quality of life for most everyone–if you can live with the decline in TP and diaper numbers.

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  81. @Truth

    Surely the Chinese will impose a bit of discipline on Africa,
     
    LOL, you guys have been in love with this fantasy for 10 years now.

    LOL, you guys have been in love with this fantasy for 10 years now.

    Hah…..no kidding! Like trying to impose civilization on the malevolent monkeys in Jumanji!

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  82. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Flyover
    Mmmmmm. Tobacco is good eatin' just add a little sugar and milk.

    Population expands directly proportional to the amount of food available to feed that population. So the breadbasket of Africa is now in the tobacco business. Makes sense to me.

    If it’s a choice of growing maize versus tobacco to better feed the population then tobacco wins hands down. It’s money generated from exports that feeds a population not home grown maize.

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    • Replies: @Flyover
    True enough but the Zim citizens never see the money from the tobacco cash crop or the imported grain and other foodstuffs that never arrive. Their rulers have better use for the funds. Corruption in Zim equals landless hungry peasants and maybe some free bush meat on Sunday eve.
  83. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Wizard of Oz
    I've long thought that the Chinese (and) Indians won't allow a lot of Arabs to mess up their supplies of hydrocarbons. Now you remind me of Francis Galton's June 1864 letter to The Times headed "Africa for the Chinese". Surely the Chinese will impose a bit of discipline on Africa, maybe even introduce them to birth control.

    Other than running mines and some other ventures what possible reason is there for more a role, much less taking Africa over?

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    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    China has a vast population and would love to settle a couple hundred million Chinese in Africa or wherever they can buy or seize the land.
  84. “In the state ideologies of the Western world, black people are sacred objects to whom whites must defer, Muslims only slightly less so.”

    If an Arab Muslim were to enter an African American Christian Baptist church, yell Allahu Akbar, and start shooting Black Christians to death I doubt very much the mainstream media would point the blame on the violent culture that Islam breeds. They would somehow find a way to spin it and blame it on White people and President Donald J. Trump. They would say that America is such a racist anti-Black bodies nation that even other Nonwhite Minority groups are influenced by America’s White supremacist culture to learn to hate Black people in order to be racially accepted by White people. After all there is a New York Times article talking about how all Non African American Minorities are going to become White in the future and so it is nothing but Right Wing hysteria to believe Whites will become a minority in The U.S in the future because everybody from Asia, The Middle East, North Africa, Central America, and South America are going to be White in our future open borders America.

    So basically open borders will actually make America a Whiter nation, not a Browner nation or a Blacker nation because in the future if you are not African American than you are automatically White. In the future there will be a book called “How The Guatemalans Became White” similar to the book “How The Irish Became White”.

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  85. @Corvinus
    "Despite the name, I do not believe that Mark Steyn is Jewish."

    Yes, he is Jewish. So is he a "good" Jew? Or, does he come from group of people who ultimately cannot be trusted given their Zionist tendencies and desire to rule the world?

    Mark Steyn is a most 1/8th Jewish and by blood and his family has been Catholic for three generations, you fucking gay idiot.

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    • Replies: @Z-man
    "Mark Steyn is a most 1/8th Jewish and by blood and his family has been Catholic for three generations, you fucking gay idiot."

    You don't believe that crap do you? He's a Jew no matter how diluted he is or how embelished his official bio is. And your outburst deserves ten days in the cooler, at the least!

    , @Diversity Heretic
    Thanks. I didn't think that he was Jewish.
    , @Corvinus
    "Mark Steyn is a most 1/8th Jewish and by blood and his family has been Catholic for three generations, you fucking gay idiot."

    The Z-man agrees that Steyn comes from a "group of people who ultimately cannot be trusted given their Zionist tendencies and desire to rule the world?" You are willing to turn the other cheek on the biological fact that Jews always show their stripes, regardless if they have intermixed. So as long as Steyn does your bidding you will look the other way when it comes to his Goyness.
  86. @dc.sunsets
    Rough way to say it, but I concur with the notion.

    Isn't there an old joke about Africa, something like:

    Q: What do you get when you feed a billion starving Africans?
    A: Ten billion starving Africans.

    Those who can project trends have little difficulty imagining what the future holds. Those who steep in a time of belief in unlimited resources don't see things this way, however.

    Few people seem to realize that how herds of men (and WOMEN) think changes and trends. Fads in hemline length, pop culture, and music are absolutely the same as in politics.

    For 50 years people have embraced a fad called "unlimited resources," and the last 35 years have seen an entire fantasy castle in the sky erected to house, feed and clothe legions of humanity for which there's no room.

    Look for "global climate change" to be elbowed aside in favor of very real worries about dying oceans, collapsing fisheries, persistent chemical contamination of waterways and trash piling up to Everest-sized concerns. The input to all these major fears will be the number of people on Planet Earth, and the fertility of Africa will eventually be seen as far worse than today's "CO2" production.

    Today's Dominant Left wants to elevate the World's Poor to join us in our cornucopia of wealth, but it seems to never occur to them as they donate barely-worn last-years-fashions to the Salvation Army that there's simply no way to dispose of the TRASH produced by their vision. An Earth with 9 billion people living like Americans will undoubtedly leave a dead planet, and an Earth whose populace returns to a more "sustainable" lifestyle (of say the 18th century) is a planet with mountains of human skulls, because no way-no how can the 18th century feed 9 billion (or even 3 billion) people.

    “Q: What do you get when you feed a billion starving Africans?
    A: Ten billion starving Africans.”

    Actually, the opposite is true. Severe resource constraint is the main driver of high fertility; the most desperately-impoverished have the most kids. Paradoxical, but true. I would love to be able to report that we could get rid of the blacks by letting them all starve to death and die of untreated diseases, but sadly, I cannot. Would that the solution to our problems be so simple and elegant! No, I’m afraid we can limit their population only by feeding them, vaccinating them, taking care of their most fundamental needs. That is the main thing that causes the demographic transition to kick in, and fertility to drop off. “Letting nature take its course”, i.e. letting them starve and letting disease run rampant, is the sure-fire way to a gigantic population explosion.

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    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    What was the population of Africa before foreign aid, vaccinations and Western technology?
    , @dc.sunsets

    No, I’m afraid we can limit their population only by feeding them, vaccinating them, taking care of their most fundamental needs.
     
    Oh really? Like it's done in Chicago's Englewood neighborhood? (facepalm.)

    Magic Dirt strikes again. You look at what happened in Europe or Japan and then apply it to DIFFERENT PEOPLE.

    You're stuck in Equalist Dogma. Your notion drips with it.

    70% of blacks are now born out of wedlock in the ole' US of A where they have Medicaid vaccinations, LINK food and SECTION 8 housing. Despite 50 years of handouts, programs, extra help, etc. multigeneration American blacks still occupy the lowest rung in American society with all but a negative mean net worth.

    Different people. Differences are far more than skin deep, or did you miss decades of iSteve columns?
    _______
    Whups! I see from a later post that you subscribe to the "We Wuz Kangs" narrative. No use throwing a life-line to the armless.

    , @MBlanc46
    Right. Turn them into middle-class whites and Japanese and they'll stop breeding like insects. I'm sure that will work.
  87. What to make of the fact that, though he could have had a schoolyard full, Hitler had no children, while Keynes was one of the most successful speculative stock market investors of his era. As a rule, virility is not any indication of exceptional intellectual ability, although as with Trump and JFK, it maybe indicates a certain personal charisma.

    Immigrants are the vassals of the wealthy business class, who fear and loath the majority of their own co-ethnics as a potentially formidable rival power block. Blacks in Africa are no danger to the billionaires, and if they come to the West so much the better for Bill Gates and company.

    The threat to the elite in the West is from ordinary indigenous people–who being a white people can be easily anathematized, and under propaganda assault may even be made to hate themselves. Although Brexit and election of Trump were merely resistance against elite attempts to pauperise and fragment the working class, the have shocked the establishment and shown how real the danger to elite dominance actually is,

    Blacks and Muslim immigrants are brought in as a wedge to break national majority communities’ cohesion, and they also hold down labour costs. Few people seem to realise that the gentile elite (who are admittedly far from the whole of the elite) are capable of applying such a strategy

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  88. @rw95
    YOUR GOOK FAMILY HAS TO GO BACK DERB!!!!
    WHAT IS SO DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT THIS?!!

    THANK YOU!!! The only “Arctic yellows” of any worth are the Japanese. And look at how careful the Japanese are about keeping their island nation safe from invasion.

    The Chinese are inferior to the Japanese. I don’t think Derbyshire can wrap his head around this. His loyalty is first to the Chinese because of his family.

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  89. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Diversity Heretic
    The Asians are already aware of that graph. How many Africans/Arabs are there in Japan, China or Korea? We don't need the Arctic Alliance--we need the political will to recognize the civilizational end that will result if massive migration of Africans and Arabs (and to a lesser extent Mestizos and Amerindians) to Europe and North America is not halted very soon.

    Stand with migrants . Support the movement of the people . Endorse those candidates who recognize that the relocation is a natural phenomena following decades of Western violence against the native Africans . The people who elected G Bush second times need to pay The people who suddenly found Trump is presidential need to pay The people behind Trump’s sudden popularity after attacks on Syria should pay.

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    • Replies: @Wally
    The fact is that Anon the Zionist supports strict Israeli immigration laws which specify Jews Only, while he demands massive low IQ, criminal 3rd world immigration into the US & Europe.
  90. @Anonymous
    85 years is plenty of time for new technology to ease hardships for everyone in the world. Even if the African population rises to 4 billion by 2100, technology will have lifted everyone out of extreme poverty. Just look at how the population of Africa has doubled since 1990 but extreme poverty is way down.

    Please provide some data indicating that “extreme poverty is way down” in Africa. I don’t buy it. Extreme poverty is stubborn across most of the third world and getting worse in many places, esp sub-Saharan Africa.

    Technology will lift everyone out of extreme poverty? Sounds like Sim City but not the real world, unfortunately.

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  91. @bomag

    You COULD discuss all of those things
     
    All those things are under discussion. The race is on to see if economic development can outpace demographic destruction.

    But a lot has been invested in Africa, and the knowledge of how to build modern societies is apparent and abundant; but the returns have been paltry from that cohort. We've got better places to put our money. We need to wall them off.

    Bomag: “a lot has been invested in Africa”

    You’ve got it backwards.

    …………………………

    “Africa’s classic depiction in the mainstream media, as a giant basketcase full of endless war, famine and helpless children creates an illusion of a continent utterly dependent on Western handouts. In fact, the precise opposite is true — IT IS THE WEST THAT IS RELIANT ON AFRICAN HANDOUTS. These handouts come in many and varied forms…”.

    …………………………

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_Europe_Underdeveloped_Africa — How Europe Underdeveloped Africa by Walter Rodney

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2005/aug/20/past.hearafrica05 — The wealth of the west was built on Africa’s exploitation, by Richard Drayton

    https://web.archive.org/web/20070227032717/http://www.liberationafrique.org/IMG/pdf/TJN4Africa.pdf — Looting Africa: Some Facts and Figures

    http://ccs.ukzn.ac.za/files/bond%20looting%20africa.pdf — Looting Africa: The economics of exploitation, By Patrick Bond [online book; full text is free]

    http://public.worldfreemansociety.org/index.php/33-john-pilger-islamic-terrorism-is-the-invented-excuse-for-theft-of-africa-s-riches — John Pilger: “Islamic terrorism” is the invented excuse for theft of Africa’s riches

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    • Replies: @dc.sunsets
    You should really label these things comedy.

    Time is short, but within ONE of your links the author hilariously decries pervasive corruption in Nigeria and then within a page speaks about foreign corporate tax evasion, so that more loot was handed to.............the (corrupt) government. Shakedowns galore.

    It's all so easy when those who REFUSE to see try to describe a rainbow to the rest of us.

    Here's a great read you'll never peruse:
    https://thosewhocansee.blogspot.com/2015/09/why-re-colonization-commonweal.html

    Africans voting with their feet, fleeing to places run by former colonial powers, is a heck of a lot more honest than claims that Africa is The Place To Be, and if not for whitey, would be On Top of Everyone Else.

    The post-colonial (and post-Apartheid) decay of Africa is astonishing.
    https://thosewhocansee.blogspot.fr/2015/05/why-re-colonization-future-orientation.html

    , @Truth
    Yup
    , @bomag

    IT IS THE WEST THAT IS RELIANT ON AFRICAN HANDOUTS.
     
    This is like saying we impoverished Africa by not letting them buy Apple stock back in the day.

    You know nothing.

    If there is so much wealth to be had from that continent, why don't you start an investment fund that focuses on funding enterprises in that once and future economic powerhouse?
  92. @alan2102
    "Q: What do you get when you feed a billion starving Africans?
    A: Ten billion starving Africans."

    Actually, the opposite is true. Severe resource constraint is the main driver of high fertility; the most desperately-impoverished have the most kids. Paradoxical, but true. I would love to be able to report that we could get rid of the blacks by letting them all starve to death and die of untreated diseases, but sadly, I cannot. Would that the solution to our problems be so simple and elegant! No, I'm afraid we can limit their population only by feeding them, vaccinating them, taking care of their most fundamental needs. That is the main thing that causes the demographic transition to kick in, and fertility to drop off. "Letting nature take its course", i.e. letting them starve and letting disease run rampant, is the sure-fire way to a gigantic population explosion.

    What was the population of Africa before foreign aid, vaccinations and Western technology?

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    • Replies: @Truth
    What is the population of Africa now? You don't know, you just suck up what your Slavemasters tell you to.
    , @alan2102
    "What was the population of Africa before foreign aid, vaccinations and Western technology?"

    The question assumes that "foreign aid, vaccinations and Western technology" have been liberal and extensive, and have penetrated and affected most populations, particularly those most in need. But they have not. Resource extractions FROM Africa have greatly exceeded any such contributions TO Africa. The net effect has been to make Africa poorer, particularly those most impoverished, and therefore more demographically unstable, i.e. higher fertility.
    , @Corvinus
    "What was the population of Africa before foreign aid, vaccinations and Western technology?:

    The better question is "What was the population of Africa AFTER European plundering of their human and natural resources?" Invade the world, invite the world comes back ten-fold.
    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    The trifecta of dull wits.
  93. @Intelligent Dasein
    Mark Steyn is a most 1/8th Jewish and by blood and his family has been Catholic for three generations, you fucking gay idiot.

    “Mark Steyn is a most 1/8th Jewish and by blood and his family has been Catholic for three generations, you fucking gay idiot.”

    You don’t believe that crap do you? He’s a Jew no matter how diluted he is or how embelished his official bio is. And your outburst deserves ten days in the cooler, at the least!

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  94. @rw95
    The Derb has a face only an Asian woman could love.

    He doesn’t look that bad if you squint hard enough…

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  95. May 5, 2016 The Myth of Authority (Video Contest Winner)

    This video, created and submitted by”GeoShifter,” was the winner of the recent video contest, to see who could make the best video to go along with the narration.

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  96. @alan2102
    "Q: What do you get when you feed a billion starving Africans?
    A: Ten billion starving Africans."

    Actually, the opposite is true. Severe resource constraint is the main driver of high fertility; the most desperately-impoverished have the most kids. Paradoxical, but true. I would love to be able to report that we could get rid of the blacks by letting them all starve to death and die of untreated diseases, but sadly, I cannot. Would that the solution to our problems be so simple and elegant! No, I'm afraid we can limit their population only by feeding them, vaccinating them, taking care of their most fundamental needs. That is the main thing that causes the demographic transition to kick in, and fertility to drop off. "Letting nature take its course", i.e. letting them starve and letting disease run rampant, is the sure-fire way to a gigantic population explosion.

    No, I’m afraid we can limit their population only by feeding them, vaccinating them, taking care of their most fundamental needs.

    Oh really? Like it’s done in Chicago’s Englewood neighborhood? (facepalm.)

    Magic Dirt strikes again. You look at what happened in Europe or Japan and then apply it to DIFFERENT PEOPLE.

    You’re stuck in Equalist Dogma. Your notion drips with it.

    70% of blacks are now born out of wedlock in the ole’ US of A where they have Medicaid vaccinations, LINK food and SECTION 8 housing. Despite 50 years of handouts, programs, extra help, etc. multigeneration American blacks still occupy the lowest rung in American society with all but a negative mean net worth.

    Different people. Differences are far more than skin deep, or did you miss decades of iSteve columns?
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    Whups! I see from a later post that you subscribe to the “We Wuz Kangs” narrative. No use throwing a life-line to the armless.

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    • Replies: @alan2102
    "You’re stuck in Equalist Dogma. Your notion drips with it."

    Fine. You want MORE BILLIONS OF AFRICAN BLACKS? Then just neglect them, starve them, let disease run rampant, continue looting their continent and creating economic and political chaos. You'll get billions more. We've already seen it happen, for the last 50 years; it WILL happen again. Go for it, pal!

    (Aren't "white nationalists" a hoot? They are so blinded by their silly hatred that they don't have the foggiest clue about demographics or the real drivers of population change -- and indeed what might actually save their own precious white race! Hell, I'm no white nationalist at all, and my views are MORE consistent with saving the white race than theirs are!)
  97. @Anonymous
    If it's a choice of growing maize versus tobacco to better feed the population then tobacco wins hands down. It's money generated from exports that feeds a population not home grown maize.

    True enough but the Zim citizens never see the money from the tobacco cash crop or the imported grain and other foodstuffs that never arrive. Their rulers have better use for the funds. Corruption in Zim equals landless hungry peasants and maybe some free bush meat on Sunday eve.

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    Zim tobacco came back because of the land was re-distributed to 20x-30x the number of small hold farmers. So the "fast tracked" land re-distribution achieved the stated goal of giving the black masses back their land and a share in the business.
  98. Marc Stain did his populationbest by helping to get the slaughter of millions of iraqis in motion.
    Probably he, in the interest of present and future mankind, should be sterilized and lobotomized

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  99. @alan2102
    Bomag: "a lot has been invested in Africa"

    You've got it backwards.

    ..............................

    "Africa's classic depiction in the mainstream media, as a giant basketcase full of endless war, famine and helpless children creates an illusion of a continent utterly dependent on Western handouts. In fact, the precise opposite is true -- IT IS THE WEST THAT IS RELIANT ON AFRICAN HANDOUTS. These handouts come in many and varied forms...".

    ..............................

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_Europe_Underdeveloped_Africa --- How Europe Underdeveloped Africa by Walter Rodney

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2005/aug/20/past.hearafrica05 --- The wealth of the west was built on Africa's exploitation, by Richard Drayton

    https://web.archive.org/web/20070227032717/http://www.liberationafrique.org/IMG/pdf/TJN4Africa.pdf --- Looting Africa: Some Facts and Figures

    http://ccs.ukzn.ac.za/files/bond%20looting%20africa.pdf --- Looting Africa: The economics of exploitation, By Patrick Bond [online book; full text is free]

    http://public.worldfreemansociety.org/index.php/33-john-pilger-islamic-terrorism-is-the-invented-excuse-for-theft-of-africa-s-riches --- John Pilger: "Islamic terrorism" is the invented excuse for theft of Africa's riches

    You should really label these things comedy.

    Time is short, but within ONE of your links the author hilariously decries pervasive corruption in Nigeria and then within a page speaks about foreign corporate tax evasion, so that more loot was handed to………….the (corrupt) government. Shakedowns galore.

    It’s all so easy when those who REFUSE to see try to describe a rainbow to the rest of us.

    Here’s a great read you’ll never peruse:

    https://thosewhocansee.blogspot.com/2015/09/why-re-colonization-commonweal.html

    Africans voting with their feet, fleeing to places run by former colonial powers, is a heck of a lot more honest than claims that Africa is The Place To Be, and if not for whitey, would be On Top of Everyone Else.

    The post-colonial (and post-Apartheid) decay of Africa is astonishing.

    https://thosewhocansee.blogspot.fr/2015/05/why-re-colonization-future-orientation.html

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    "Here’s a great read you’ll never peruse"

    I perused it all right. But nothing substantive about the roots/causes of "Future Orientation" and "Commonweal Orientation"; hence useless.

    "Africans voting with their feet, fleeing to places run by former colonial powers, is a heck of a lot more honest than claims that Africa is The Place To Be, and if not for whitey, would be On Top of Everyone Else."

    And who is making those "claims", hmmm? Cite ONE such claim.
  100. @alan2102
    John Derbyshire: "Global warming? Sure. Russian hacking? Oh definitely. Homosexual marriage? Let’s have a debate! But … world demographics? Why would you be interested in that? What are you, some kind of Nazi?"

    Pat Boyle: "I keep wondering how hard it would be to reduce the population of Africa by 80% to 90%. And what would be the most effective technology? If iSteve is right and we face a deluge of unskilled and hostile Africans we should think about this now.... Obviously small arms will be insufficient. No one has that many bullets. Artillery or conventional high explosive bombing are likewise probably insufficient...."

    .......................................

    So, the answer, Mr Derbyshire, is this: Yes, you are "some kind" of Nazi, in the sense that as soon as you bring this up, in the way that you bring it up , you open the door to the Pat Boyles of the world, now calmly, rationally discussing the practical matter of how 80-90% of the blacks in the world might be murdered as an urgent and obviously-necessary measure to combat the Rising Tide of Color Against White World-Supremacy.

    There's an alternative. You could bring it up in a different way. Rather than viewing those four billion people as a threat, and their situation (in Africa) as hopeless, you could be humanistic, realistic and optimistic, all at once. You could discuss the economic development of Africa, which is proceeding rather well (though it could be better of course). You could discuss China's efforts to build out African infrastructure and integrate that continent into the OBOR initiative -- a plan with vast positive implications, not least for Africans. You could discuss Africa's incredible agricultural and industrial potential, almost entirely unrealized. You could discuss the well-documented ways in which the West has traditionally (and to this day) looted Africa, and how this has retarded development, and how this could be stopped, to the great benefit of Africans. You could discuss the ways in which development will precipitate/speed the demographic transition, such that four billion is not a fait acompli, but rather just one projection based on trends that could be changed. (It could easily be three billion.) You could discuss the ways in which development, improved nutrition, improved education, sanitation, public health, medicine, and so on, will all synergize to raise -- probably dramatically raise -- population I.Q.s in areas where they had been depressed, (and I trust I need not lecture you on the great significance of this), while at the same time causing greatly reduced fertility. You could discuss the ways in which the U.S., with its vast wealth, could participate, like China, in developing Africa (among other positive actions) rather than pissing away $trillions on wars. And on and on and ON.

    You COULD discuss all of those things. Those things are much more important than a single bald population projection, one which (predictably) brings out of the woodwork overt genocidalist Nazi scum like Pat Boyle.
    .

    You don’t seem to like me very much. I’ll have to learn to live with that.

    You say I’m a ‘genocidalist Nazi scum’. No, I’m just a simple small government Republican. I’m retired now but I used to be a social worker. I don’t advocate genocide but it is certainly possible that there will be genocide whether we want it or not.

    The future looks to be different from the past. If we have explosive population growth in black Africa, it will be controlled one way or another. If we do nothing the population will come up against some natural limit. One natural limit is food. Another is water. Having the population limited by those kind of natural processes is far more unpleasant that any kind of human guided population control.

    You seem to be proposing a hideous nightmare scenario for Africa where we let the continent sink into misery and squalor.

    What are you – some kind of monster?

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    "You seem to be proposing a hideous nightmare scenario for Africa where we let the continent sink into misery and squalor. What are you – some kind of monster?"

    That's right, Pat, a terrible monster. I want the looting and chaos-making to stop. I want Africa to develop economically, socially, politically, agriculturally, industrially, the way it can. I want the Chinese initiatives to be successful in developing sorely-needed infrastructure across Africa. I want poplulation I.Q.s to rise, as they can with improvements in nutrition, education, public health and medical care. I want fertility to fall off a cliff as it has in most other places, so that population stabilizes at much lower levels than currently projected (say, at 3 billion or perhaps even lower). Yes, Pat, I am a strong advocate of misery and squalor for that continent -- a hideous nightmare scenario.
  101. @anonymous coward

    Stalin had three children and USSR had easy divorce, state provision of abortion, encouraged women workers, destroyed millions of families.
     
    False, Stalin's USSR stigmatized divorce and outlawed abortion.

    Abortion became a minor offense in 1936, eight years into Stalin’s rule. According to the decree, public reprimand for first offense; 300 roubles fine thereafter. Like a traffic violation.

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  102. @Intelligent Dasein
    Mark Steyn is a most 1/8th Jewish and by blood and his family has been Catholic for three generations, you fucking gay idiot.

    Thanks. I didn’t think that he was Jewish.

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    "Thanks. I didn’t think that he was Jewish."

    Steyn is Jewish. Once a Jew, always a Jew, right? Why are you covering for him?
  103. @Anonymous
    Why doesn't global warming matter? If it's in combination with other factors of instability that is what could lead to huge levels of migration to Europe. Without global warming the African standard of living should keep on rising, modest annual gains but it's a continuous trend.

    It doesn’t matter because it’s not happening.

    The Globe Has Not Been Warming . . . So Why Is It Called ‘Global’ Warming?

    http://principia-scientific.org/globe-not-warming-called-global-warming/

    ‘Global warming’ is another scheme for yet more taxes and an attempt to control people.

    See the laughable & non-existent ‘global warming’ debunked here:

    Claim Of A 97% Climate Consensus Does Not Stand Up
    - See more at:

    http://www.thegwpf.com/richard-tol-claim-of-a-97-climate-consensus-does-not-stand-up/#sthash.i2b7hiYZ.dpuf

    http://www.thegwpf.com/richard-tol-claim-of-a-97-climate-consensus-does-not-stand-up/

    http://www.nipccreport.org/

    http://www.climatedepot.com

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  104. @John Jeremiah Smith

    There are no “nukes” and no “orbit.”
     
    Don't be silly. Both American and Russian nuclear bombs are stationed on orbital platforms. They are more vulnerable than Tridents, perhaps, but it's a question of 2nd-strike capability. Contrary to official cant, Trident subs are easily tracked and sunk. Orbital platforms are easy to hit, but difficult to ID decoys.

    All theatre.

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    All theatre.
     
    I do not YouTube, Mr. Truth.
    , @Ace
    Let me guess. The moon landing was fake, right? And 9-11 was staged.
  105. anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Stop destroying the Middle East and killing the people and there won’t be a refugee problem in Europe.

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  106. The track record of the UN, like most government bodies, is not particularly good on prophecies.

    Steyn also forgets that Africa is wealthy in resources but has been exploited by his heroes, the imperialist West for centuries and is now in the grip of their present day descendants, the neo-liberal colonialists.

    Moammar Gaddafi insisted that his country was African and he was able to change it with his Green Revolution policies into the “Switzerland” of Africa from its origins, when he took over in 1969, as the poorest nation in Africa due to the aforementioned European exploitation. He wanted to extend his revolution to the other nations of Africa in order to effect a similar change but this resulted in his murder at the hands of the malevolent minions of NATO and the consequent destruction of his people and his country.

    However this situation will not long persist as historic changes are taking place in our world that will radically transform everything we “know” about everything.

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  107. These ideas really give me a kick. Who is Mark Steyn talking to? From an anti-democratic position he sits down and makes a You Tube about how helpless democracies are to stem integration. Does he expect people to watch his video and rise up as one to defend Europe? That is what he (and I) know they can’t do. Most people who watch such stuff get upset or don’t and then move on. Takes maybe ten minutes. The citizens of the western “democracies” are paralyzed. Journalism assumes that if people see that the world is coming to an end they will do something. They won’t and it is Styne’s point that they won’t. The very job of journalism is based on a false premise, that if people know something is bad they will correct it. So what the hell is he doing making a video? That’s so democratic. He is doing as much nothing as everybody else making such pointless videos.

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  108. @alan2102
    Bomag: "a lot has been invested in Africa"

    You've got it backwards.

    ..............................

    "Africa's classic depiction in the mainstream media, as a giant basketcase full of endless war, famine and helpless children creates an illusion of a continent utterly dependent on Western handouts. In fact, the precise opposite is true -- IT IS THE WEST THAT IS RELIANT ON AFRICAN HANDOUTS. These handouts come in many and varied forms...".

    ..............................

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_Europe_Underdeveloped_Africa --- How Europe Underdeveloped Africa by Walter Rodney

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2005/aug/20/past.hearafrica05 --- The wealth of the west was built on Africa's exploitation, by Richard Drayton

    https://web.archive.org/web/20070227032717/http://www.liberationafrique.org/IMG/pdf/TJN4Africa.pdf --- Looting Africa: Some Facts and Figures

    http://ccs.ukzn.ac.za/files/bond%20looting%20africa.pdf --- Looting Africa: The economics of exploitation, By Patrick Bond [online book; full text is free]

    http://public.worldfreemansociety.org/index.php/33-john-pilger-islamic-terrorism-is-the-invented-excuse-for-theft-of-africa-s-riches --- John Pilger: "Islamic terrorism" is the invented excuse for theft of Africa's riches

    Yup

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  109. @The Anti-Gnostic
    What was the population of Africa before foreign aid, vaccinations and Western technology?

    What is the population of Africa now? You don’t know, you just suck up what your Slavemasters tell you to.

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  110. What do you mean “if?”

    After all, it was heterosexual, White, Christian, republicans’ fault that a homosexual Afghan Muslim democrat Hillary supporter shot up a nightclub in Orlando.

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  111. @Intelligent Dasein
    Mark Steyn is a most 1/8th Jewish and by blood and his family has been Catholic for three generations, you fucking gay idiot.

    “Mark Steyn is a most 1/8th Jewish and by blood and his family has been Catholic for three generations, you fucking gay idiot.”

    The Z-man agrees that Steyn comes from a “group of people who ultimately cannot be trusted given their Zionist tendencies and desire to rule the world?” You are willing to turn the other cheek on the biological fact that Jews always show their stripes, regardless if they have intermixed. So as long as Steyn does your bidding you will look the other way when it comes to his Goyness.

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  112. @Diversity Heretic
    Thanks. I didn't think that he was Jewish.

    “Thanks. I didn’t think that he was Jewish.”

    Steyn is Jewish. Once a Jew, always a Jew, right? Why are you covering for him?

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    So his having a great grandparent who was Jewish makes him genetically and biologically Jewish in a way that determines his attitudes and behaviour?

    Are their any other similarly potent ethnicities? If it is exclusive to Jews what scientific explanation can you offer for this unique potency. And how by the way do you explain those quarter and one eighth Jews, indeed fully Jewish Jews, belonging to different parties and factions and bitterly opposing each other and their policies.

    In short can you describe what kind of masturbatory pleaasure you get out of spouting pure rhetorical rubbish?

  113. @Truth
    All theatre.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65D2qCNHHNE

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ot83oQQXHHA

    All theatre.

    I do not YouTube, Mr. Truth.

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    Apparently, you do chat...

    http://www.big-lies.org/NUKE-LIES/www.nukelies.com/forum/index.html
  114. @Anonymous
    Why doesn't global warming matter? If it's in combination with other factors of instability that is what could lead to huge levels of migration to Europe. Without global warming the African standard of living should keep on rising, modest annual gains but it's a continuous trend.

    Without global warming the African standard of living should keep on rising, modest annual gains but it’s a continuous trend.

    Keep the lefty hallucinations coming, sport.

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  115. @John Jeremiah Smith

    All theatre.
     
    I do not YouTube, Mr. Truth.
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    Apparently, you do chat…
     
    No, I do not. Now, go away, or I shall taunt you again.
  116. @n230099
    Africa population has been effectively managed by the U.N. and various NGOs using it as a 'petri-dish' testing their concoctions and trying out disease variants and making sure that children didn't survive in great numbers. The mandating of 'green' technology has effectively kept large parts in a virtual stone age where medicine spoils and food rots. They may now be bored with it all and are letting the natural human tendency to advance take place. If the people are allowed to have health children, the chart cited will become a reality.

    If Western fools simply stop sending food, money, etc., to Africa, its population will fairly soon be lower than it is now.

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  117. @jilles dykstra
    Completely right, the overpopulation of this planet is the biggest problem.

    But there is another side to immigration into Europe, than cultural conflicts, erupting into civil was, as is already the case in France, this summer martial law has been there for two years, and I do not see how it ever will be lifted.
    The other side is intelligence, hereditary to a great extent.
    Thilo Sarrazin, 'Deutschland schafft sich ab, Wie wir unser Land aufs Spiel setzen', München 2010

    Sarrazin argues that more and more immigrants, not too clever, with high numbers of children, and highly intelligent German woman, wich few or no children, are ruining Germany.
    As German industrialists say 'wir exportieren Intelligenz', translated 'we export IQ', they try to say that German export depends in intelligence, the ability to make intelligent products.

    An example is that the one and only firm in the world that can make propellors for supertankers, is German.
    For every SE Asian built supertanker or container ship, a propellor makes the long journey oversea from Germany to SE Asia.

    Alas the main religions of this world, al derived from judaism, still tell their believers to multiply.

    See your points, but I don’t think Hinduism is derived from Judaism, and it has well more than one billion adherents.

    As for overpopulation, would you really want white people to have even fewer children than they do now?

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  118. @Anon
    Muslims are far less a threat than black Africans.

    ACOWW, or Afro-Colonization of White Wombs will be the greatest threat to the white race.

    Arabs, Muslims, and Pakistanis may conquer European land, but most white women are not turned on by these men. So, the threat will be demographic and territorial, not necessarily genetic and biological.

    In contrast, because of black dominance in sports, music culture, and sexual expression -- plus the promotion of black-male/white-female union as the neo-edenic ideal by European state itself --, there is the great danger that not only will black Africans conquer Europe territorially and beat up weaker/slower white males BUT that they will colonize white women infected with junglois feverois.

    And indeed all those black African males are coming for that very reason.

    Just think. Why are millions of black African males headed to Europe?

    1. To learn Western philosophy from Socrates to Sartre.

    2. To master economic theories of Adam Smith and Ricardo.

    3. To study the classical works of Vivaldi, Mozart, and Brahams.

    4. To appreciate the literature of Goethe and Proust.

    5. To party and dance, hump tons of white women, colonize white wombs, and live off the welfare state provided by whites.

    Sure, some people can pretend it's 1-4, but we know it is #5 for 99% of them.
    And even the kind of culture they assimilate into is American Rap Culture, not European high culture that is ignored by Europeans themselves.

    Whe’yere da whaht wimmens be?

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  119. @Anonymous
    Other than running mines and some other ventures what possible reason is there for more a role, much less taking Africa over?

    China has a vast population and would love to settle a couple hundred million Chinese in Africa or wherever they can buy or seize the land.

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    I think you are imputing designs by Francis Galton in a newspaper column from 150 years ago on Chinese government policy in the present day. There's no evidence Chinese government policy is seeking to create living space to move 100 million Chinese.
  120. @bomag

    You COULD discuss all of those things
     
    All those things are under discussion. The race is on to see if economic development can outpace demographic destruction.

    But a lot has been invested in Africa, and the knowledge of how to build modern societies is apparent and abundant; but the returns have been paltry from that cohort. We've got better places to put our money. We need to wall them off.

    Return on investment in technological development in a continent (or part of a continent) where the mean IQ is in the seventies is not likely to be great.

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    @Anon
    Race-ism is the only effective force against Replacism.

    Kick out the Replacists.

    Also, white people need White Sharia. Smash feminism.

    And push homos back into the closet. Homomania is now encouraging even straight males to be fruity and pansy. No wonder so many white males are cucked.

    “Replacism”

    I love that.

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  122. @alan2102
    "Q: What do you get when you feed a billion starving Africans?
    A: Ten billion starving Africans."

    Actually, the opposite is true. Severe resource constraint is the main driver of high fertility; the most desperately-impoverished have the most kids. Paradoxical, but true. I would love to be able to report that we could get rid of the blacks by letting them all starve to death and die of untreated diseases, but sadly, I cannot. Would that the solution to our problems be so simple and elegant! No, I'm afraid we can limit their population only by feeding them, vaccinating them, taking care of their most fundamental needs. That is the main thing that causes the demographic transition to kick in, and fertility to drop off. "Letting nature take its course", i.e. letting them starve and letting disease run rampant, is the sure-fire way to a gigantic population explosion.

    Right. Turn them into middle-class whites and Japanese and they’ll stop breeding like insects. I’m sure that will work.

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    MBlanc46: "Right. Turn them into middle-class whites and Japanese and they’ll stop breeding like insects. I’m sure that will work."

    Yep. It will. Except that I'm not talking about middle-class. Just NOT-desperately-poor. It does not take much to lower fertility. China showed us that. All you need is per capita annual GDP upwards of a couple thousand bucks. Works like a charm! NOT middle class, and a long long way from rich. That's all it takes to cause fertility to drop off a cliff. It has happened most places, around the world, but not Africa.

    Again, it is amusing how "white nationalists" with their vaunted high I.Q.s seem not to understand the most basic facts of demographics. You wanna stop the The Rising Tide of Color Against White World-Supremacy? Well, then, stop being such ignorant cunts and learn some basic facts that are relevant to the issue.
  123. @The Anti-Gnostic
    What was the population of Africa before foreign aid, vaccinations and Western technology?

    “What was the population of Africa before foreign aid, vaccinations and Western technology?”

    The question assumes that “foreign aid, vaccinations and Western technology” have been liberal and extensive, and have penetrated and affected most populations, particularly those most in need. But they have not. Resource extractions FROM Africa have greatly exceeded any such contributions TO Africa. The net effect has been to make Africa poorer, particularly those most impoverished, and therefore more demographically unstable, i.e. higher fertility.

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  124. @dc.sunsets

    No, I’m afraid we can limit their population only by feeding them, vaccinating them, taking care of their most fundamental needs.
     
    Oh really? Like it's done in Chicago's Englewood neighborhood? (facepalm.)

    Magic Dirt strikes again. You look at what happened in Europe or Japan and then apply it to DIFFERENT PEOPLE.

    You're stuck in Equalist Dogma. Your notion drips with it.

    70% of blacks are now born out of wedlock in the ole' US of A where they have Medicaid vaccinations, LINK food and SECTION 8 housing. Despite 50 years of handouts, programs, extra help, etc. multigeneration American blacks still occupy the lowest rung in American society with all but a negative mean net worth.

    Different people. Differences are far more than skin deep, or did you miss decades of iSteve columns?
    _______
    Whups! I see from a later post that you subscribe to the "We Wuz Kangs" narrative. No use throwing a life-line to the armless.

    “You’re stuck in Equalist Dogma. Your notion drips with it.”

    Fine. You want MORE BILLIONS OF AFRICAN BLACKS? Then just neglect them, starve them, let disease run rampant, continue looting their continent and creating economic and political chaos. You’ll get billions more. We’ve already seen it happen, for the last 50 years; it WILL happen again. Go for it, pal!

    (Aren’t “white nationalists” a hoot? They are so blinded by their silly hatred that they don’t have the foggiest clue about demographics or the real drivers of population change — and indeed what might actually save their own precious white race! Hell, I’m no white nationalist at all, and my views are MORE consistent with saving the white race than theirs are!)

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  125. @dc.sunsets
    You should really label these things comedy.

    Time is short, but within ONE of your links the author hilariously decries pervasive corruption in Nigeria and then within a page speaks about foreign corporate tax evasion, so that more loot was handed to.............the (corrupt) government. Shakedowns galore.

    It's all so easy when those who REFUSE to see try to describe a rainbow to the rest of us.

    Here's a great read you'll never peruse:
    https://thosewhocansee.blogspot.com/2015/09/why-re-colonization-commonweal.html

    Africans voting with their feet, fleeing to places run by former colonial powers, is a heck of a lot more honest than claims that Africa is The Place To Be, and if not for whitey, would be On Top of Everyone Else.

    The post-colonial (and post-Apartheid) decay of Africa is astonishing.
    https://thosewhocansee.blogspot.fr/2015/05/why-re-colonization-future-orientation.html

    “Here’s a great read you’ll never peruse”

    I perused it all right. But nothing substantive about the roots/causes of “Future Orientation” and “Commonweal Orientation”; hence useless.

    “Africans voting with their feet, fleeing to places run by former colonial powers, is a heck of a lot more honest than claims that Africa is The Place To Be, and if not for whitey, would be On Top of Everyone Else.”

    And who is making those “claims”, hmmm? Cite ONE such claim.

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    And who is making those “claims”, hmmm?
     
    So the waves of mass migration toward Europe are...not there?

    As to to "future orientation," the studies are done (and they're quite simple.)

    I really don't care what you think. The world will go its own way, and I'm just a passenger. If you want to think that showering Africa with Welfare-State gibsmedats will change things for the better, you're entitled to believe it. I have yet to see that work ANYWHERE, however.

    OTOH, we have evidence of what happens when people of European ancestry are not running things in Africa, just as we have one example after another in the USA of places that were peaceful, safe and (relatively) free of corruption when run by whites, but as soon as blacks obtain a political plurality, they spiral into the ground (Baltimore, Detroit, Selma, etc.) amidst gang warfare and open criminality among the politicians.

    Only the volitionally blind can't see the lesson of the last 50 years.
  126. @Pat Boyle
    You don't seem to like me very much. I'll have to learn to live with that.

    You say I'm a 'genocidalist Nazi scum'. No, I'm just a simple small government Republican. I'm retired now but I used to be a social worker. I don't advocate genocide but it is certainly possible that there will be genocide whether we want it or not.

    The future looks to be different from the past. If we have explosive population growth in black Africa, it will be controlled one way or another. If we do nothing the population will come up against some natural limit. One natural limit is food. Another is water. Having the population limited by those kind of natural processes is far more unpleasant that any kind of human guided population control.

    You seem to be proposing a hideous nightmare scenario for Africa where we let the continent sink into misery and squalor.

    What are you - some kind of monster?

    “You seem to be proposing a hideous nightmare scenario for Africa where we let the continent sink into misery and squalor. What are you – some kind of monster?”

    That’s right, Pat, a terrible monster. I want the looting and chaos-making to stop. I want Africa to develop economically, socially, politically, agriculturally, industrially, the way it can. I want the Chinese initiatives to be successful in developing sorely-needed infrastructure across Africa. I want poplulation I.Q.s to rise, as they can with improvements in nutrition, education, public health and medical care. I want fertility to fall off a cliff as it has in most other places, so that population stabilizes at much lower levels than currently projected (say, at 3 billion or perhaps even lower). Yes, Pat, I am a strong advocate of misery and squalor for that continent — a hideous nightmare scenario.

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    I have just checked you have 127 comments, so you must be fairly new in the den of deplorable and despicable unz commentariat. I wonder how long will you last. Keep in mind that you are not dealing here with the "smartest fraction". This is the term they love to use. Anyway, I appreciated your comments.
    , @Pat Boyle
    Yes I agree. You are the worst kind of monster - the well meaning kind. You don't seem to know much of the history of Africa. You say you want all of these changes to Africa but your approach is almost certainly going to result in even more poverty, chaos, and misery.

    Humans generally increase in population in a smooth rising arc. But other creatures like the lemmings have population booms and population busts. The rising African population seems to be accelerating. Surely you must realize that such a rise must be followed by a crash.

    Sailer's graph is only the first phase of a boom and bust cycle that will plunge Africa in a hellhole unprecedented in human history.

  127. @MBlanc46
    Right. Turn them into middle-class whites and Japanese and they'll stop breeding like insects. I'm sure that will work.

    MBlanc46: “Right. Turn them into middle-class whites and Japanese and they’ll stop breeding like insects. I’m sure that will work.”

    Yep. It will. Except that I’m not talking about middle-class. Just NOT-desperately-poor. It does not take much to lower fertility. China showed us that. All you need is per capita annual GDP upwards of a couple thousand bucks. Works like a charm! NOT middle class, and a long long way from rich. That’s all it takes to cause fertility to drop off a cliff. It has happened most places, around the world, but not Africa.

    Again, it is amusing how “white nationalists” with their vaunted high I.Q.s seem not to understand the most basic facts of demographics. You wanna stop the The Rising Tide of Color Against White World-Supremacy? Well, then, stop being such ignorant cunts and learn some basic facts that are relevant to the issue.

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    Yep. It will. Except that I’m not talking about middle-class. Just NOT-desperately-poor. It does not take much to lower fertility. China showed us that. All you need is per capita annual GDP upwards of a couple thousand bucks. Works like a charm!
     
    No, it doesn't. Proof? Central and South America, where the non-starving lower class has the highest birthrate. Of course, that situation is directly abetted by a dominant Roman Catholic Church -- still preaching that contraception is a sin. If Jose has a job and a new Vespa, he and Maria can have children -- things are looking up.

    Your premise is faulty.
  128. @alan2102
    "You seem to be proposing a hideous nightmare scenario for Africa where we let the continent sink into misery and squalor. What are you – some kind of monster?"

    That's right, Pat, a terrible monster. I want the looting and chaos-making to stop. I want Africa to develop economically, socially, politically, agriculturally, industrially, the way it can. I want the Chinese initiatives to be successful in developing sorely-needed infrastructure across Africa. I want poplulation I.Q.s to rise, as they can with improvements in nutrition, education, public health and medical care. I want fertility to fall off a cliff as it has in most other places, so that population stabilizes at much lower levels than currently projected (say, at 3 billion or perhaps even lower). Yes, Pat, I am a strong advocate of misery and squalor for that continent -- a hideous nightmare scenario.

    I have just checked you have 127 comments, so you must be fairly new in the den of deplorable and despicable unz commentariat. I wonder how long will you last. Keep in mind that you are not dealing here with the “smartest fraction”. This is the term they love to use. Anyway, I appreciated your comments.

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    "I wonder how long will you last."

    As long as I'm having fun. Which won't be long. ADHD, you know.

    "Keep in mind that you are not dealing here with the “smartest fraction”."

    So I noticed.

    "Anyway, I appreciated your comments."

    Thanks!
  129. @Truth
    Apparently, you do chat...

    http://www.big-lies.org/NUKE-LIES/www.nukelies.com/forum/index.html

    Apparently, you do chat…

    No, I do not. Now, go away, or I shall taunt you again.

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  130. @The Anti-Gnostic
    What was the population of Africa before foreign aid, vaccinations and Western technology?

    “What was the population of Africa before foreign aid, vaccinations and Western technology?:

    The better question is “What was the population of Africa AFTER European plundering of their human and natural resources?” Invade the world, invite the world comes back ten-fold.

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    "The better question is “What was the population of Africa AFTER European plundering of their human and natural resources?”"

    The answer is: vastly higher. Many hundreds of millions. In a few decades: billions.

    Racial supremacism-driven imperialism resulted in population explosions in the colonized/looted areas. And then, since the social condition was/is chaotic and impoverished, they all want to LEAVE and immigrate to the land of the whites, where all the stolen booty went. And of course who can blame them?

    So, where does this leave today's white nationalists? Hmmm. Nowhere, really. There's nothing to do; no remedies; no viable actions. The damage has been done, over a century and more, and what is happening now is the inevitable outworking of that damage. You're stuck with a world in which there will be many billions of blacks -- many many more than whites. Sorry about that. And the paradoxical, poetic-justice thing about it is that this happened because of what your racist forebears did. They treated Africa and Africans like shit, and as a result Africa is going to be the demographic powerhouse that overwhelms (in terms of numbers) whites over the next century or two. Funny: the trans-generational racism with which you resonate CREATED the demographic powerhouse that you now fear (possibly even correctly) presages your racial doom. Imagine that.
  131. @Pat Boyle
    I keep wondering how hard it would be to reduce the population of Africa by 80% to 90%. And what would be the most effective technology?

    If iSteve is right and we face a deluge of unskilled and hostile Africans we should think about this now. The problem is that at this time before the crisis point, it seems immoral to contemplate genocide. Maybe something will come up that keeps us from having to face this problem. Maybe we won't actually have to figure out how to kill a billion Africans.

    Obviously small arms will be insufficient. No one has that many bullets. Artillery or conventional high explosive bombing are likewise probably insufficient. We could not adopt a Nazi like approach either. The Jews were and remain a minor people in terms of numbers. Less than one percent of Germany was Jewish in 1933.

    Chemical weapons are also unlikely to be major factor. The only weapons that are really sufficient at eliminating very large populations are biologicals. So what are the odds that some lab in America, Europe or Russia have some germ warfare weapons under development that will depopulate much of Africa?

    I don't know, indeed I probably can't know. But it is quite likely that some in the Pentagon have contingency plans in place right now.

    Here is a simple, effective way to reduce the African population by half in 30 years:
    No more foreign aid to the dictators no more medical missionaries, no more food aid, no more peace corps trying to teach them to build outhouses.

    Let the corporations take African resources. But other than that, isolate Africa and let them feed, house and medicate themselves. The population will go back to what it was 200 years ago in a few decades.

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  132. @Diversity Heretic
    My recollection of discussions of biological warfare (which I do not favor in the case of Africa or elsewhere) is that natural pathogens are generally superior to anything that can be developed in a lab. I suppose the tendency of pathogens to mutate to less virulent strains might be a disadvantage if you were counting on one to solve the African population problem.

    Extreme solutions are unnecessary. All that is really required is: (1) a demonstrated willingness to prohibit the settling of Africans in Europe or North America, something that Asia has already shown; and (2) a willingness to let nature take its course and reduce the African population to levels that can be sustained by Africans using African resources. We need not be hostile to Africans, but we need to develop indifference to their suffering.

    t natural pathogens are generally superior to anything that can be developed in a lab.

    I assure you that this is not the case. Actually, just thinking about this makes me break out in cold sweat.

    Nowadays you can mix and match stuff that could not have arisen through natural selection or if so, would just have burnt down a few isolated villages and no-one would ever have heard of it.

    Bioengineering is not pretty powerful.

    That’s gonna be a problem once tinkerers can obtain the synthesizers for some diddling in the cellar.

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  133. @John Jeremiah Smith

    Apparently, you do chat…
     
    No, I do not. Now, go away, or I shall taunt you again.

    Again?

    When was the first time?

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    Again?

    When was the first time?
     
    That is a quote from Monty Python. I've assumed since your opening remark that you were putting me on, so I figured why not? But, hey, if you don't believe there are weapons in orbit, fine by me. Don't confuse my simple-minded opinionating with any sort of obligation on my part to prove anything to anybody.
  134. @Truth

    Surely the Chinese will impose a bit of discipline on Africa,
     
    LOL, you guys have been in love with this fantasy for 10 years now.

    Who do you mean by “you guys”?

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  135. @alan2102
    John Derbyshire: "Global warming? Sure. Russian hacking? Oh definitely. Homosexual marriage? Let’s have a debate! But … world demographics? Why would you be interested in that? What are you, some kind of Nazi?"

    Pat Boyle: "I keep wondering how hard it would be to reduce the population of Africa by 80% to 90%. And what would be the most effective technology? If iSteve is right and we face a deluge of unskilled and hostile Africans we should think about this now.... Obviously small arms will be insufficient. No one has that many bullets. Artillery or conventional high explosive bombing are likewise probably insufficient...."

    .......................................

    So, the answer, Mr Derbyshire, is this: Yes, you are "some kind" of Nazi, in the sense that as soon as you bring this up, in the way that you bring it up , you open the door to the Pat Boyles of the world, now calmly, rationally discussing the practical matter of how 80-90% of the blacks in the world might be murdered as an urgent and obviously-necessary measure to combat the Rising Tide of Color Against White World-Supremacy.

    There's an alternative. You could bring it up in a different way. Rather than viewing those four billion people as a threat, and their situation (in Africa) as hopeless, you could be humanistic, realistic and optimistic, all at once. You could discuss the economic development of Africa, which is proceeding rather well (though it could be better of course). You could discuss China's efforts to build out African infrastructure and integrate that continent into the OBOR initiative -- a plan with vast positive implications, not least for Africans. You could discuss Africa's incredible agricultural and industrial potential, almost entirely unrealized. You could discuss the well-documented ways in which the West has traditionally (and to this day) looted Africa, and how this has retarded development, and how this could be stopped, to the great benefit of Africans. You could discuss the ways in which development will precipitate/speed the demographic transition, such that four billion is not a fait acompli, but rather just one projection based on trends that could be changed. (It could easily be three billion.) You could discuss the ways in which development, improved nutrition, improved education, sanitation, public health, medicine, and so on, will all synergize to raise -- probably dramatically raise -- population I.Q.s in areas where they had been depressed, (and I trust I need not lecture you on the great significance of this), while at the same time causing greatly reduced fertility. You could discuss the ways in which the U.S., with its vast wealth, could participate, like China, in developing Africa (among other positive actions) rather than pissing away $trillions on wars. And on and on and ON.

    You COULD discuss all of those things. Those things are much more important than a single bald population projection, one which (predictably) brings out of the woodwork overt genocidalist Nazi scum like Pat Boyle.
    .

    How has the West “looted” Africa so as to make Africans poorer? Even buying and exporting slaves can scarcely be argued to be impoverishing, to take the worst case. New crops on newly cleared land? Discovery of and investment in mineral resources of no known value to Africans? Introducing literacy and a religion that was a little more compatible with the modern world?

    Like most barely numerate people you simply ignore the numbers. The world’s poulation was manageably small – although life tended to be harsh brutish and short in Malthusian times – but the West had made it possible for near disastrous multiplication to occur.

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    Belgians enslaved much of central Africa to harvest rubber.
    , @alan2102
    "How has the West “looted” Africa so as to make Africans poorer?"

    See links in post #91. Read them.

    "the West...made it possible for near disastrous multiplication to occur."

    True. The looting and devastation created conditions -- social chaos, desperate poverty -- such that high fertility was inevitable. Africa had a stable, very slowly-growing and none-too-high (~50-100 million) population for centuries, up until the insane invasion at the end of the 19th century -- the "scramble for Africa", complete with wild genocidal rampages (king Leopold's boys) and numerous other outrages. After that, fertility and population growth took off and never looked back. Those are the social conditions that cause high fertility. The looting and chaos-making continue to this day, i.e. the conditions that impel high fertility continue to this day. If we want them to stop multiplying like rabbits, (do we?), we have to create the conditions that we now know to be consistent with not multiplying like rabbits. It is not rocket science.
  136. @Wizard of Oz
    Who do you mean by "you guys"?

    The Unzistas.

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    I'm happy to be regarded as an admirer of Ron Unz's achievements and impressed by most of his arguments but I think you might be hardpressed to prove that even a majority of those UR commenters and contributors whò fit the description share my interest or optimism about the *possibly* beneficial influence of China on Africa.
  137. @anon
    Stand with migrants . Support the movement of the people . Endorse those candidates who recognize that the relocation is a natural phenomena following decades of Western violence against the native Africans . The people who elected G Bush second times need to pay The people who suddenly found Trump is presidential need to pay The people behind Trump's sudden popularity after attacks on Syria should pay.

    The fact is that Anon the Zionist supports strict Israeli immigration laws which specify Jews Only, while he demands massive low IQ, criminal 3rd world immigration into the US & Europe.

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    Do you realize that any person who doesn't give them name goes by "Anon" here?
    , @Anon
    Straw man
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    @Flyover
    True enough but the Zim citizens never see the money from the tobacco cash crop or the imported grain and other foodstuffs that never arrive. Their rulers have better use for the funds. Corruption in Zim equals landless hungry peasants and maybe some free bush meat on Sunday eve.

    Zim tobacco came back because of the land was re-distributed to 20x-30x the number of small hold farmers. So the “fast tracked” land re-distribution achieved the stated goal of giving the black masses back their land and a share in the business.

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    @Wally
    The fact is that Anon the Zionist supports strict Israeli immigration laws which specify Jews Only, while he demands massive low IQ, criminal 3rd world immigration into the US & Europe.

    Do you realize that any person who doesn’t give them name goes by “Anon” here?

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    @Wizard of Oz
    How has the West "looted" Africa so as to make Africans poorer? Even buying and exporting slaves can scarcely be argued to be impoverishing, to take the worst case. New crops on newly cleared land? Discovery of and investment in mineral resources of no known value to Africans? Introducing literacy and a religion that was a little more compatible with the modern world?

    Like most barely numerate people you simply ignore the numbers. The world's poulation was manageably small - although life tended to be harsh brutish and short in Malthusian times - but the West had made it possible for near disastrous multiplication to occur.

    Belgians enslaved much of central Africa to harvest rubber.

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    Yes the Belgian Congo seems to have been s blot on civilisation. Maybe it was its already shaming reputation that caused Albert Schweizer to set up there (relying on memories from school days).
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    @Wally
    The fact is that Anon the Zionist supports strict Israeli immigration laws which specify Jews Only, while he demands massive low IQ, criminal 3rd world immigration into the US & Europe.

    Straw man

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  142. @Truth
    The Unzistas.

    I’m happy to be regarded as an admirer of Ron Unz’s achievements and impressed by most of his arguments but I think you might be hardpressed to prove that even a majority of those UR commenters and contributors whò fit the description share my interest or optimism about the *possibly* beneficial influence of China on Africa.

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    Wizard of Oz:

    In contrast to the Caucasians, only China has the will and the wherewithal to benefit Africa.

    The White Man due to his own shortcomings and lack of nerve has self-abrogated any such role!
    , @Truth
    Your original post:

    Surely the Chinese will impose a bit of discipline on Africa, maybe even introduce them to birth control.
     
    They are adults, they do not need "discipline" from outside; this is where their problems originated in the first place. Think about it for a second, let's say you've lived a reasonably comfortable, yet unremarkable life (you meaning personally, YOU). How long would you be willing to be enslaved to lead what someone else would consider a remarkable life? If I were given the jurisdiction to redraw Europe's borders tomorrow, have Frenchmen, and Germans and Spaniards all of a sudden thrown together in the same country with all previous governments suddenly abolished, there would be anarchy, and almost instant war.

    This is what "discipline" yielded the Africans.

    Secondly, if the Chinese were going to "discipline" someone, Taiwain would not exist today

    Thirdly, no one in this world will "discipline" anyone without the permission of the Great Satan.

    Fourthly, you greatly overestimate your originality, as I would estimate over the years, that I have LITERALLY read the whole "the Chinks are going to get the Africans in line" thing here, FIFTY TIMES, and that's a conservative estimate.

    Fifthly, your "optimism" comes off to me, a fairly intelligent and reasonable man, as being as ersatz as the proverbial three-dollar bill.

    And sixthly, contraception was introduced to Africa most likely, before you were born.

  143. @Ray P
    Counter-examples: Adolf Hitler had no children; his NSDAP government promoted natalist policies, outlawed abortion etc.. Stalin had three children and USSR had easy divorce, state provision of abortion, encouraged women workers, destroyed millions of families.

    Abortion was criminalized under Stalin (though there were certain humane provisions that put to shame the sanctimonious US X-tians, particularly catholics, who accept imperial slaughter abroad as a norm).
    Mr. Hyde (of Hyde Amendment) would feel himself in haven re “sanctity of life” under Stalin. Never mind that Hyde was a promiscuous scoundrel and outstanding hypocrite who destroyed a family with three (3) young children. It is quite possible that his mistress had an abortion.

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  144. @Wizard of Oz
    How has the West "looted" Africa so as to make Africans poorer? Even buying and exporting slaves can scarcely be argued to be impoverishing, to take the worst case. New crops on newly cleared land? Discovery of and investment in mineral resources of no known value to Africans? Introducing literacy and a religion that was a little more compatible with the modern world?

    Like most barely numerate people you simply ignore the numbers. The world's poulation was manageably small - although life tended to be harsh brutish and short in Malthusian times - but the West had made it possible for near disastrous multiplication to occur.

    “How has the West “looted” Africa so as to make Africans poorer?”

    See links in post #91. Read them.

    “the West…made it possible for near disastrous multiplication to occur.”

    True. The looting and devastation created conditions — social chaos, desperate poverty — such that high fertility was inevitable. Africa had a stable, very slowly-growing and none-too-high (~50-100 million) population for centuries, up until the insane invasion at the end of the 19th century — the “scramble for Africa”, complete with wild genocidal rampages (king Leopold’s boys) and numerous other outrages. After that, fertility and population growth took off and never looked back. Those are the social conditions that cause high fertility. The looting and chaos-making continue to this day, i.e. the conditions that impel high fertility continue to this day. If we want them to stop multiplying like rabbits, (do we?), we have to create the conditions that we now know to be consistent with not multiplying like rabbits. It is not rocket science.

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    ...we have to create the conditions
     
    And what roll do the natives play? It would be incumbent upon them to help themselves, since they bear the brunt of these problems.

    Most areas of Africa are relatively untouched by the looting and chaos that occupies you.
  145. @Truth
    Again?

    When was the first time?

    Again?

    When was the first time?

    That is a quote from Monty Python. I’ve assumed since your opening remark that you were putting me on, so I figured why not? But, hey, if you don’t believe there are weapons in orbit, fine by me. Don’t confuse my simple-minded opinionating with any sort of obligation on my part to prove anything to anybody.

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  146. @anonymous

    It’s way past the time when we .....can afford to bicker among ourselves, about election hacking or anything else
     
    Unfortunately history provides one example after another of people being weakened through factional fighting and having third parties move in and conquer as a result, often actually being invited in by one of the parties to add their weight. The constant bickering in the US is dividing and weakening us. We have little control over population rates in the third world. We can control the borders of our own though if the political will was there to do so. I'm pessimistic about Americans finding the will to do so since most of the population appears to be gripped by pettiness and unable to see the big picture. The supposed leadership are mainly concerned with continuing to live the good life for themselves and their friends. What's needed is absolutely zero immigration into this country except from Europe. The continuing existence of the country is at stake, nothing less.

    We have little control over population rates in the third world.

    Is this really true? Do they grow enough food to feed themselves and make enough vaccines for their kids? I am guessing they don’t. Therefore, if we stopped subsidizing them with cheap or free food and vaccines, there would soon be far fewer of them.

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  147. @alan2102
    MBlanc46: "Right. Turn them into middle-class whites and Japanese and they’ll stop breeding like insects. I’m sure that will work."

    Yep. It will. Except that I'm not talking about middle-class. Just NOT-desperately-poor. It does not take much to lower fertility. China showed us that. All you need is per capita annual GDP upwards of a couple thousand bucks. Works like a charm! NOT middle class, and a long long way from rich. That's all it takes to cause fertility to drop off a cliff. It has happened most places, around the world, but not Africa.

    Again, it is amusing how "white nationalists" with their vaunted high I.Q.s seem not to understand the most basic facts of demographics. You wanna stop the The Rising Tide of Color Against White World-Supremacy? Well, then, stop being such ignorant cunts and learn some basic facts that are relevant to the issue.

    Yep. It will. Except that I’m not talking about middle-class. Just NOT-desperately-poor. It does not take much to lower fertility. China showed us that. All you need is per capita annual GDP upwards of a couple thousand bucks. Works like a charm!

    No, it doesn’t. Proof? Central and South America, where the non-starving lower class has the highest birthrate. Of course, that situation is directly abetted by a dominant Roman Catholic Church — still preaching that contraception is a sin. If Jose has a job and a new Vespa, he and Maria can have children — things are looking up.

    Your premise is faulty.

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    "Central and South America, where the non-starving lower class has the highest birthrate.... Your premise is faulty"

    It is generally true that lower SES correlates with somewhat higher birthrate (and the reverse: higher SES with somewhat lower birthrate). But that is really not what I'm talking about. I am not talking about "somewhat", i.e. small changes. I am talking about the big-chunk changes, like fertility collapsing down from 5-6 to replacement (2.2) or below. That's what happened in most of the world, including Central and South America, over the last half-century.

    Central and South American fertility is BELOW REPLACEMENT (below 2.2), just like most of the rest of the world except Africa; see here:
    http://www.un.org/en/development/desa/population/publications/pdf/fertility/world-fertility-patterns-2015.pdf

    Such was not the case in 1950.

  148. @Corvinus
    "What was the population of Africa before foreign aid, vaccinations and Western technology?:

    The better question is "What was the population of Africa AFTER European plundering of their human and natural resources?" Invade the world, invite the world comes back ten-fold.

    “The better question is “What was the population of Africa AFTER European plundering of their human and natural resources?””

    The answer is: vastly higher. Many hundreds of millions. In a few decades: billions.

    Racial supremacism-driven imperialism resulted in population explosions in the colonized/looted areas. And then, since the social condition was/is chaotic and impoverished, they all want to LEAVE and immigrate to the land of the whites, where all the stolen booty went. And of course who can blame them?

    So, where does this leave today’s white nationalists? Hmmm. Nowhere, really. There’s nothing to do; no remedies; no viable actions. The damage has been done, over a century and more, and what is happening now is the inevitable outworking of that damage. You’re stuck with a world in which there will be many billions of blacks — many many more than whites. Sorry about that. And the paradoxical, poetic-justice thing about it is that this happened because of what your racist forebears did. They treated Africa and Africans like shit, and as a result Africa is going to be the demographic powerhouse that overwhelms (in terms of numbers) whites over the next century or two. Funny: the trans-generational racism with which you resonate CREATED the demographic powerhouse that you now fear (possibly even correctly) presages your racial doom. Imagine that.

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    alan2102 (I) wrote: "So, where does this leave today’s white nationalists? Hmmm. Nowhere, really. There’s nothing to do; no remedies; no viable actions."

    Addendum:

    There IS something you can do.

    You can support general development toward a demographic transition in Africa, the same as has happened in the rest of the world. That transition means a falling-off of fertility to and below replacement (2.2) level, with consequent impact on population over the next half-century or so. The transition requires a complex of things, mainly raising populations out of desperate poverty, but also other improvements such as education and medical care. Urbanization also helps. Such a transition for Africa could result in their ultimate population reaching, say, three billion, instead of four billion. Or possibly even less than three billion if the project were undertaken energetically starting right now.

    Further, such a project would not only reduce ultimate population, it would greatly improve living conditions (indeed, it reduces population BY WAY OF improving living conditions!), such that the pressure to leave -- immigrate -- would be much less, or even absent.

    In other words, if you want to "stop the flood" of immigrants "invading" your white homelands, then you're going to have to support development so as to make places like Africa decent and attractive places to be. The biggest part of this is to simply withdraw your support from policies that make places like Africa indecent shitholes. STOP the looting, stop the wholesale theft.

    Another major part is to do as China is doing: underwrite and support infrastructure and other fundamental development in a collegial, win-win spirit (i.e. non-exploitative, seeking to benefit both sides of the transactions). Another major part would be to repair the worst of the damage done in recent decades by military adventures, e.g. the destruction of Libya. Restore Libya, and other countries, to what they were before we bombed the shit out of them. And so on. There's a ton of work to do, and over a century of destruction and chaos to rectify.

    It is a project, but a worthwhile project IF you are serious about saving your white race and racial homelands. Are you?
  149. @utu
    I have just checked you have 127 comments, so you must be fairly new in the den of deplorable and despicable unz commentariat. I wonder how long will you last. Keep in mind that you are not dealing here with the "smartest fraction". This is the term they love to use. Anyway, I appreciated your comments.

    “I wonder how long will you last.”

    As long as I’m having fun. Which won’t be long. ADHD, you know.

    “Keep in mind that you are not dealing here with the “smartest fraction”.”

    So I noticed.

    “Anyway, I appreciated your comments.”

    Thanks!

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  150. @Pat Boyle
    I keep wondering how hard it would be to reduce the population of Africa by 80% to 90%. And what would be the most effective technology?

    If iSteve is right and we face a deluge of unskilled and hostile Africans we should think about this now. The problem is that at this time before the crisis point, it seems immoral to contemplate genocide. Maybe something will come up that keeps us from having to face this problem. Maybe we won't actually have to figure out how to kill a billion Africans.

    Obviously small arms will be insufficient. No one has that many bullets. Artillery or conventional high explosive bombing are likewise probably insufficient. We could not adopt a Nazi like approach either. The Jews were and remain a minor people in terms of numbers. Less than one percent of Germany was Jewish in 1933.

    Chemical weapons are also unlikely to be major factor. The only weapons that are really sufficient at eliminating very large populations are biologicals. So what are the odds that some lab in America, Europe or Russia have some germ warfare weapons under development that will depopulate much of Africa?

    I don't know, indeed I probably can't know. But it is quite likely that some in the Pentagon have contingency plans in place right now.

    So what are the odds that some lab in America, Europe or Russia have some germ warfare weapons under development that will depopulate much of Africa?

    100%

    Smallpox

    People aren’t even vaccinated against it anymore. I am 50 and I was never vaccinated against it.

    Anyway, a one child policy would be better and would be beneficial to all involved. China did it and they sure haven’t disappeared.

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  151. @alan2102
    John Derbyshire: "Global warming? Sure. Russian hacking? Oh definitely. Homosexual marriage? Let’s have a debate! But … world demographics? Why would you be interested in that? What are you, some kind of Nazi?"

    Pat Boyle: "I keep wondering how hard it would be to reduce the population of Africa by 80% to 90%. And what would be the most effective technology? If iSteve is right and we face a deluge of unskilled and hostile Africans we should think about this now.... Obviously small arms will be insufficient. No one has that many bullets. Artillery or conventional high explosive bombing are likewise probably insufficient...."

    .......................................

    So, the answer, Mr Derbyshire, is this: Yes, you are "some kind" of Nazi, in the sense that as soon as you bring this up, in the way that you bring it up , you open the door to the Pat Boyles of the world, now calmly, rationally discussing the practical matter of how 80-90% of the blacks in the world might be murdered as an urgent and obviously-necessary measure to combat the Rising Tide of Color Against White World-Supremacy.

    There's an alternative. You could bring it up in a different way. Rather than viewing those four billion people as a threat, and their situation (in Africa) as hopeless, you could be humanistic, realistic and optimistic, all at once. You could discuss the economic development of Africa, which is proceeding rather well (though it could be better of course). You could discuss China's efforts to build out African infrastructure and integrate that continent into the OBOR initiative -- a plan with vast positive implications, not least for Africans. You could discuss Africa's incredible agricultural and industrial potential, almost entirely unrealized. You could discuss the well-documented ways in which the West has traditionally (and to this day) looted Africa, and how this has retarded development, and how this could be stopped, to the great benefit of Africans. You could discuss the ways in which development will precipitate/speed the demographic transition, such that four billion is not a fait acompli, but rather just one projection based on trends that could be changed. (It could easily be three billion.) You could discuss the ways in which development, improved nutrition, improved education, sanitation, public health, medicine, and so on, will all synergize to raise -- probably dramatically raise -- population I.Q.s in areas where they had been depressed, (and I trust I need not lecture you on the great significance of this), while at the same time causing greatly reduced fertility. You could discuss the ways in which the U.S., with its vast wealth, could participate, like China, in developing Africa (among other positive actions) rather than pissing away $trillions on wars. And on and on and ON.

    You COULD discuss all of those things. Those things are much more important than a single bald population projection, one which (predictably) brings out of the woodwork overt genocidalist Nazi scum like Pat Boyle.
    .

    You could discuss the well-documented ways in which the West has traditionally (and to this day) looted Africa, and how this has retarded development, and how this could be stopped, to the great benefit of Africans.

    Have you been to Detroit?

    The notion that you can just teach people how to do better and they will do better is bull. Blacks run detroit and it is subsidized by the US gov’t and has access to all that the USA has to offer and just look at it.

    We all wish Africans could get it together and be successful, but we have no honest reason to believe they can even with enormous support. We have tried that experiment many times over and it fails.

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    "Have you been to Detroit?"

    BEEN there?! I lived there for many years, and still live nearby.

    You know nothing about Detroit and the causes of its decline. Nothing. You could inform yourself, however. Read Thomas Sugrue.
  152. @Wizard of Oz
    I'm happy to be regarded as an admirer of Ron Unz's achievements and impressed by most of his arguments but I think you might be hardpressed to prove that even a majority of those UR commenters and contributors whò fit the description share my interest or optimism about the *possibly* beneficial influence of China on Africa.

    Wizard of Oz:

    In contrast to the Caucasians, only China has the will and the wherewithal to benefit Africa.

    The White Man due to his own shortcomings and lack of nerve has self-abrogated any such role!

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  153. @Wizard of Oz
    I'm happy to be regarded as an admirer of Ron Unz's achievements and impressed by most of his arguments but I think you might be hardpressed to prove that even a majority of those UR commenters and contributors whò fit the description share my interest or optimism about the *possibly* beneficial influence of China on Africa.

    Your original post:

    Surely the Chinese will impose a bit of discipline on Africa, maybe even introduce them to birth control.

    They are adults, they do not need “discipline” from outside; this is where their problems originated in the first place. Think about it for a second, let’s say you’ve lived a reasonably comfortable, yet unremarkable life (you meaning personally, YOU). How long would you be willing to be enslaved to lead what someone else would consider a remarkable life? If I were given the jurisdiction to redraw Europe’s borders tomorrow, have Frenchmen, and Germans and Spaniards all of a sudden thrown together in the same country with all previous governments suddenly abolished, there would be anarchy, and almost instant war.

    This is what “discipline” yielded the Africans.

    Secondly, if the Chinese were going to “discipline” someone, Taiwain would not exist today

    Thirdly, no one in this world will “discipline” anyone without the permission of the Great Satan.

    Fourthly, you greatly overestimate your originality, as I would estimate over the years, that I have LITERALLY read the whole “the Chinks are going to get the Africans in line” thing here, FIFTY TIMES, and that’s a conservative estimate.

    Fifthly, your “optimism” comes off to me, a fairly intelligent and reasonable man, as being as ersatz as the proverbial three-dollar bill.

    And sixthly, contraception was introduced to Africa most likely, before you were born.

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    The only thing I have read of interest on this thread from those purporting to know about Africa and to regard its problems as substantially caused by white people is the suggestion that the Africans before the mid 19th century had a nice balance of fertility, morbitity and mortality in fheir lives which did not involve the harsh Malthusian correctives to excess births, and that the West disrupted this but not by modern medicine, pacification or Christian religion. It seems to me in need of proof. But, as that is what I should like to follow up on I shall merely say of your comment that it fails to address my main point which was that "looting" was a ridiculous term for the economic development which depended on the expertise and enterprise of non-Africans - with the exception of the Belgian Congo, and maybe the Portuguese suppliers of the chocolate manufacturers, after the British abolished the slave trade.
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    @RadicalCenter
    China has a vast population and would love to settle a couple hundred million Chinese in Africa or wherever they can buy or seize the land.

    I think you are imputing designs by Francis Galton in a newspaper column from 150 years ago on Chinese government policy in the present day. There’s no evidence Chinese government policy is seeking to create living space to move 100 million Chinese.

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  155. @Truth
    All theatre.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65D2qCNHHNE

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ot83oQQXHHA

    Let me guess. The moon landing was fake, right? And 9-11 was staged.

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  156. @jilles dykstra
    Completely right, the overpopulation of this planet is the biggest problem.

    But there is another side to immigration into Europe, than cultural conflicts, erupting into civil was, as is already the case in France, this summer martial law has been there for two years, and I do not see how it ever will be lifted.
    The other side is intelligence, hereditary to a great extent.
    Thilo Sarrazin, 'Deutschland schafft sich ab, Wie wir unser Land aufs Spiel setzen', München 2010

    Sarrazin argues that more and more immigrants, not too clever, with high numbers of children, and highly intelligent German woman, wich few or no children, are ruining Germany.
    As German industrialists say 'wir exportieren Intelligenz', translated 'we export IQ', they try to say that German export depends in intelligence, the ability to make intelligent products.

    An example is that the one and only firm in the world that can make propellors for supertankers, is German.
    For every SE Asian built supertanker or container ship, a propellor makes the long journey oversea from Germany to SE Asia.

    Alas the main religions of this world, al derived from judaism, still tell their believers to multiply.

    I’ve listened to a lot of Christian sermons, Bible studies, and radio and TV programs and I’ve NEVER, that’s NEVER heard having children presented as a duty. Let alone mentioned.

    I know it says go forth and multiply in the Bible somewhere but that’s it. What Protestants seem to obsess about is faith v. good works. And endless hair splitting over doctrine.

    I think Catholics ignore the birth control stuff but they’ll have to speak for themselves.

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  157. @alan2102
    John Derbyshire: "Global warming? Sure. Russian hacking? Oh definitely. Homosexual marriage? Let’s have a debate! But … world demographics? Why would you be interested in that? What are you, some kind of Nazi?"

    Pat Boyle: "I keep wondering how hard it would be to reduce the population of Africa by 80% to 90%. And what would be the most effective technology? If iSteve is right and we face a deluge of unskilled and hostile Africans we should think about this now.... Obviously small arms will be insufficient. No one has that many bullets. Artillery or conventional high explosive bombing are likewise probably insufficient...."

    .......................................

    So, the answer, Mr Derbyshire, is this: Yes, you are "some kind" of Nazi, in the sense that as soon as you bring this up, in the way that you bring it up , you open the door to the Pat Boyles of the world, now calmly, rationally discussing the practical matter of how 80-90% of the blacks in the world might be murdered as an urgent and obviously-necessary measure to combat the Rising Tide of Color Against White World-Supremacy.

    There's an alternative. You could bring it up in a different way. Rather than viewing those four billion people as a threat, and their situation (in Africa) as hopeless, you could be humanistic, realistic and optimistic, all at once. You could discuss the economic development of Africa, which is proceeding rather well (though it could be better of course). You could discuss China's efforts to build out African infrastructure and integrate that continent into the OBOR initiative -- a plan with vast positive implications, not least for Africans. You could discuss Africa's incredible agricultural and industrial potential, almost entirely unrealized. You could discuss the well-documented ways in which the West has traditionally (and to this day) looted Africa, and how this has retarded development, and how this could be stopped, to the great benefit of Africans. You could discuss the ways in which development will precipitate/speed the demographic transition, such that four billion is not a fait acompli, but rather just one projection based on trends that could be changed. (It could easily be three billion.) You could discuss the ways in which development, improved nutrition, improved education, sanitation, public health, medicine, and so on, will all synergize to raise -- probably dramatically raise -- population I.Q.s in areas where they had been depressed, (and I trust I need not lecture you on the great significance of this), while at the same time causing greatly reduced fertility. You could discuss the ways in which the U.S., with its vast wealth, could participate, like China, in developing Africa (among other positive actions) rather than pissing away $trillions on wars. And on and on and ON.

    You COULD discuss all of those things. Those things are much more important than a single bald population projection, one which (predictably) brings out of the woodwork overt genocidalist Nazi scum like Pat Boyle.
    .

    ** You could discuss the ways in which development, improved nutrition, improved education, sanitation, public health, medicine, and so on, will all synergize to raise — probably dramatically raise — population I.Q.s in areas where they had been depressed …. **

    For a moment there I thought you were talking about East St. Louis.

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  158. @Anonymous
    Belgians enslaved much of central Africa to harvest rubber.

    Yes the Belgian Congo seems to have been s blot on civilisation. Maybe it was its already shaming reputation that caused Albert Schweizer to set up there (relying on memories from school days).

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  159. @Truth
    Your original post:

    Surely the Chinese will impose a bit of discipline on Africa, maybe even introduce them to birth control.
     
    They are adults, they do not need "discipline" from outside; this is where their problems originated in the first place. Think about it for a second, let's say you've lived a reasonably comfortable, yet unremarkable life (you meaning personally, YOU). How long would you be willing to be enslaved to lead what someone else would consider a remarkable life? If I were given the jurisdiction to redraw Europe's borders tomorrow, have Frenchmen, and Germans and Spaniards all of a sudden thrown together in the same country with all previous governments suddenly abolished, there would be anarchy, and almost instant war.

    This is what "discipline" yielded the Africans.

    Secondly, if the Chinese were going to "discipline" someone, Taiwain would not exist today

    Thirdly, no one in this world will "discipline" anyone without the permission of the Great Satan.

    Fourthly, you greatly overestimate your originality, as I would estimate over the years, that I have LITERALLY read the whole "the Chinks are going to get the Africans in line" thing here, FIFTY TIMES, and that's a conservative estimate.

    Fifthly, your "optimism" comes off to me, a fairly intelligent and reasonable man, as being as ersatz as the proverbial three-dollar bill.

    And sixthly, contraception was introduced to Africa most likely, before you were born.

    The only thing I have read of interest on this thread from those purporting to know about Africa and to regard its problems as substantially caused by white people is the suggestion that the Africans before the mid 19th century had a nice balance of fertility, morbitity and mortality in fheir lives which did not involve the harsh Malthusian correctives to excess births, and that the West disrupted this but not by modern medicine, pacification or Christian religion. It seems to me in need of proof. But, as that is what I should like to follow up on I shall merely say of your comment that it fails to address my main point which was that “looting” was a ridiculous term for the economic development which depended on the expertise and enterprise of non-Africans – with the exception of the Belgian Congo, and maybe the Portuguese suppliers of the chocolate manufacturers, after the British abolished the slave trade.

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    • Replies: @Truth
    The ENGLISH industrial age economy was built upon the backs of US and Caribbean slavery. No, I did no not mean the American economy, I meant Derbyshire's not-to-distant ancestors. Even Steve Sailer exposed this economic birdseed trail once.

    Often times, we do not like things, but they are what they are. I am not a "blamer" per say. White people did what they did (including Khazars), and took advantage of a situation, and we can't live in the past, which is where I disagree with so many black people, but the facts are the facts.
    , @alan2102
    "the suggestion that the Africans before the mid 19th century had a nice balance of fertility, morbitity and mortality in fheir lives which did not involve the harsh Malthusian correctives to excess births, and that the West disrupted this but not by modern medicine, pacification or Christian religion. It seems to me in need of proof."

    Why don't you look it up? The statistics are as clear as they can be (i.e. as clear as statistics can be for years like 1500, 1600, 1700 and so on).
  160. @alan2102
    "How has the West “looted” Africa so as to make Africans poorer?"

    See links in post #91. Read them.

    "the West...made it possible for near disastrous multiplication to occur."

    True. The looting and devastation created conditions -- social chaos, desperate poverty -- such that high fertility was inevitable. Africa had a stable, very slowly-growing and none-too-high (~50-100 million) population for centuries, up until the insane invasion at the end of the 19th century -- the "scramble for Africa", complete with wild genocidal rampages (king Leopold's boys) and numerous other outrages. After that, fertility and population growth took off and never looked back. Those are the social conditions that cause high fertility. The looting and chaos-making continue to this day, i.e. the conditions that impel high fertility continue to this day. If we want them to stop multiplying like rabbits, (do we?), we have to create the conditions that we now know to be consistent with not multiplying like rabbits. It is not rocket science.

    …we have to create the conditions

    And what roll do the natives play? It would be incumbent upon them to help themselves, since they bear the brunt of these problems.

    Most areas of Africa are relatively untouched by the looting and chaos that occupies you.

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  161. @alan2102
    Bomag: "a lot has been invested in Africa"

    You've got it backwards.

    ..............................

    "Africa's classic depiction in the mainstream media, as a giant basketcase full of endless war, famine and helpless children creates an illusion of a continent utterly dependent on Western handouts. In fact, the precise opposite is true -- IT IS THE WEST THAT IS RELIANT ON AFRICAN HANDOUTS. These handouts come in many and varied forms...".

    ..............................

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_Europe_Underdeveloped_Africa --- How Europe Underdeveloped Africa by Walter Rodney

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2005/aug/20/past.hearafrica05 --- The wealth of the west was built on Africa's exploitation, by Richard Drayton

    https://web.archive.org/web/20070227032717/http://www.liberationafrique.org/IMG/pdf/TJN4Africa.pdf --- Looting Africa: Some Facts and Figures

    http://ccs.ukzn.ac.za/files/bond%20looting%20africa.pdf --- Looting Africa: The economics of exploitation, By Patrick Bond [online book; full text is free]

    http://public.worldfreemansociety.org/index.php/33-john-pilger-islamic-terrorism-is-the-invented-excuse-for-theft-of-africa-s-riches --- John Pilger: "Islamic terrorism" is the invented excuse for theft of Africa's riches

    IT IS THE WEST THAT IS RELIANT ON AFRICAN HANDOUTS.

    This is like saying we impoverished Africa by not letting them buy Apple stock back in the day.

    You know nothing.

    If there is so much wealth to be had from that continent, why don’t you start an investment fund that focuses on funding enterprises in that once and future economic powerhouse?

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    "This is like saying we impoverished Africa by not letting them buy Apple stock back in the day."

    See links in post #91. Read them.
  162. @Ace
    Let me guess. The moon landing was fake, right? And 9-11 was staged.

    Ahhhhh! Now you’re getting it, Sport.

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  163. @Wizard of Oz
    The only thing I have read of interest on this thread from those purporting to know about Africa and to regard its problems as substantially caused by white people is the suggestion that the Africans before the mid 19th century had a nice balance of fertility, morbitity and mortality in fheir lives which did not involve the harsh Malthusian correctives to excess births, and that the West disrupted this but not by modern medicine, pacification or Christian religion. It seems to me in need of proof. But, as that is what I should like to follow up on I shall merely say of your comment that it fails to address my main point which was that "looting" was a ridiculous term for the economic development which depended on the expertise and enterprise of non-Africans - with the exception of the Belgian Congo, and maybe the Portuguese suppliers of the chocolate manufacturers, after the British abolished the slave trade.

    The ENGLISH industrial age economy was built upon the backs of US and Caribbean slavery. No, I did no not mean the American economy, I meant Derbyshire’s not-to-distant ancestors. Even Steve Sailer exposed this economic birdseed trail once.

    Often times, we do not like things, but they are what they are. I am not a “blamer” per say. White people did what they did (including Khazars), and took advantage of a situation, and we can’t live in the past, which is where I disagree with so many black people, but the facts are the facts.

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    "Built on the backs of" is insubstantial rhetoric calculated to misleadv dim 18 year old who shouldn't be going to a college which makes them think their half-baked derivaive opinions are worth anything.

    The implication that slavery was all important is nonsense. Not only did there have to be an immense contribution of ingenuity following and based on the Scientific and Agricultural Revolutions as well (per Weber and Tawney) the Protestant Ethic but you should consider that the Portuguese and Spanish made more and longer use of slaves and got almost nowhere.
    , @anarchyst
    Slave labor was not "free". Besides the initial "purchase of the slave, the "owner" had to keep the slave well-fed, well-clothed, and generally in good spirits, if he expected any work out of him. There were continual expenses involved in the "ownership" of slaves.
    The people who really "got their money's worth" were those who sponsored (white) indentured servants. For the cost of a "boat ride", the sponsor got seven years of "free" labor, often with abuse thrown for good measure. In addition, indentured servants were considered expendable, as the length of their contracts were limited. This had the unfortunate effect of indentured servants being given the most dangerous work, as slaves were too valuable to be subject to such treatment.
  164. @John Jeremiah Smith

    Yep. It will. Except that I’m not talking about middle-class. Just NOT-desperately-poor. It does not take much to lower fertility. China showed us that. All you need is per capita annual GDP upwards of a couple thousand bucks. Works like a charm!
     
    No, it doesn't. Proof? Central and South America, where the non-starving lower class has the highest birthrate. Of course, that situation is directly abetted by a dominant Roman Catholic Church -- still preaching that contraception is a sin. If Jose has a job and a new Vespa, he and Maria can have children -- things are looking up.

    Your premise is faulty.

    “Central and South America, where the non-starving lower class has the highest birthrate…. Your premise is faulty”

    It is generally true that lower SES correlates with somewhat higher birthrate (and the reverse: higher SES with somewhat lower birthrate). But that is really not what I’m talking about. I am not talking about “somewhat”, i.e. small changes. I am talking about the big-chunk changes, like fertility collapsing down from 5-6 to replacement (2.2) or below. That’s what happened in most of the world, including Central and South America, over the last half-century.

    Central and South American fertility is BELOW REPLACEMENT (below 2.2), just like most of the rest of the world except Africa; see here:
    http://www.un.org/en/development/desa/population/publications/pdf/fertility/world-fertility-patterns-2015.pdf

    Such was not the case in 1950.

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    It is generally true that lower SES correlates with somewhat higher birthrate (and the reverse: higher SES with somewhat lower birthrate). But that is really not what I’m talking about. I am not talking about “somewhat”, i.e. small changes. I am talking about the big-chunk changes, like fertility collapsing down from 5-6 to replacement (2.2) or below.
     
    Okay, I will acknowledge that, although it may be circumstantial (although a test for repeatability/consistency is certainly difficult, if not too much to ask), it makes more sense in your followup.

    It is worth noting that, in general, rising expectations tend to increase birthrates.
  165. @Joe Schmoe

    You could discuss the well-documented ways in which the West has traditionally (and to this day) looted Africa, and how this has retarded development, and how this could be stopped, to the great benefit of Africans.
     
    Have you been to Detroit?

    The notion that you can just teach people how to do better and they will do better is bull. Blacks run detroit and it is subsidized by the US gov't and has access to all that the USA has to offer and just look at it.

    We all wish Africans could get it together and be successful, but we have no honest reason to believe they can even with enormous support. We have tried that experiment many times over and it fails.

    “Have you been to Detroit?”

    BEEN there?! I lived there for many years, and still live nearby.

    You know nothing about Detroit and the causes of its decline. Nothing. You could inform yourself, however. Read Thomas Sugrue.

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    You know nothing about Detroit and the causes of its decline.
     
    I do

    one of the main causes of Detroit's swirl into the abyss was a corrupt black racist mayor named Coleman Young

    another was the greed and stupidity of the auto industry execs and the greed and stupidity of the UAW

    another was the riots

    but mostly it was the anti-white racism and stupidity of the liberals and black racists like the mayor who blamed everything wrong with Detroit on white racism, even as he was looting the city blind

    soon the thugs and uber-corrupt politicians were in control of the city and everyone with the means did everything they could to get out. Taking the tax base with them.

    following in mayor Coleman Young's footsteps was Obama buddy mayor Kwame Kilpatrick


    http://i.huffpost.com/gen/173552/thumbs/r-KWAME-KILPATRICK-BOOT-CAMP-DETROIT-MAYOR-large570.jpg

    his corruption was legendary, and today he's spending a 28 year term in federal prison. Even his buddy Obama wouldn't touch that one for a pardon. He used the Detroit police as his personal uniformed thugs and goon squad when he wasn't looting the coffers of the city for his notorious parties where sometimes people ended up dead

    greed, corruption, racism, stupidity, Negro-mania, serial criminality, etc..

    here's a pretty good, even-handed book on Detroit and its follies and foibles

    https://www.amazon.com/Detroit-American-Autopsy-Charlie-LeDuff/dp/0143124463

  166. @Wizard of Oz
    The only thing I have read of interest on this thread from those purporting to know about Africa and to regard its problems as substantially caused by white people is the suggestion that the Africans before the mid 19th century had a nice balance of fertility, morbitity and mortality in fheir lives which did not involve the harsh Malthusian correctives to excess births, and that the West disrupted this but not by modern medicine, pacification or Christian religion. It seems to me in need of proof. But, as that is what I should like to follow up on I shall merely say of your comment that it fails to address my main point which was that "looting" was a ridiculous term for the economic development which depended on the expertise and enterprise of non-Africans - with the exception of the Belgian Congo, and maybe the Portuguese suppliers of the chocolate manufacturers, after the British abolished the slave trade.

    “the suggestion that the Africans before the mid 19th century had a nice balance of fertility, morbitity and mortality in fheir lives which did not involve the harsh Malthusian correctives to excess births, and that the West disrupted this but not by modern medicine, pacification or Christian religion. It seems to me in need of proof.”

    Why don’t you look it up? The statistics are as clear as they can be (i.e. as clear as statistics can be for years like 1500, 1600, 1700 and so on).

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    If you had paid attention you would see that i was referring to causation and not raw statistics. So my point remains untouched.
  167. @bomag

    IT IS THE WEST THAT IS RELIANT ON AFRICAN HANDOUTS.
     
    This is like saying we impoverished Africa by not letting them buy Apple stock back in the day.

    You know nothing.

    If there is so much wealth to be had from that continent, why don't you start an investment fund that focuses on funding enterprises in that once and future economic powerhouse?

    “This is like saying we impoverished Africa by not letting them buy Apple stock back in the day.”

    See links in post #91. Read them.

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    Read them
     
    I opened your links and read enough to know what they're about; I used to be in the field; i.e., the West paid cheap for African resources and used them to run their $20 trillion dollar economies for the last one hundred years; so now we owe Africa two quadrillion dollars. That is ghetto economics.
  168. @alan2102
    "The better question is “What was the population of Africa AFTER European plundering of their human and natural resources?”"

    The answer is: vastly higher. Many hundreds of millions. In a few decades: billions.

    Racial supremacism-driven imperialism resulted in population explosions in the colonized/looted areas. And then, since the social condition was/is chaotic and impoverished, they all want to LEAVE and immigrate to the land of the whites, where all the stolen booty went. And of course who can blame them?

    So, where does this leave today's white nationalists? Hmmm. Nowhere, really. There's nothing to do; no remedies; no viable actions. The damage has been done, over a century and more, and what is happening now is the inevitable outworking of that damage. You're stuck with a world in which there will be many billions of blacks -- many many more than whites. Sorry about that. And the paradoxical, poetic-justice thing about it is that this happened because of what your racist forebears did. They treated Africa and Africans like shit, and as a result Africa is going to be the demographic powerhouse that overwhelms (in terms of numbers) whites over the next century or two. Funny: the trans-generational racism with which you resonate CREATED the demographic powerhouse that you now fear (possibly even correctly) presages your racial doom. Imagine that.

    alan2102 (I) wrote: “So, where does this leave today’s white nationalists? Hmmm. Nowhere, really. There’s nothing to do; no remedies; no viable actions.”

    Addendum:

    There IS something you can do.

    You can support general development toward a demographic transition in Africa, the same as has happened in the rest of the world. That transition means a falling-off of fertility to and below replacement (2.2) level, with consequent impact on population over the next half-century or so. The transition requires a complex of things, mainly raising populations out of desperate poverty, but also other improvements such as education and medical care. Urbanization also helps. Such a transition for Africa could result in their ultimate population reaching, say, three billion, instead of four billion. Or possibly even less than three billion if the project were undertaken energetically starting right now.

    Further, such a project would not only reduce ultimate population, it would greatly improve living conditions (indeed, it reduces population BY WAY OF improving living conditions!), such that the pressure to leave — immigrate — would be much less, or even absent.

    In other words, if you want to “stop the flood” of immigrants “invading” your white homelands, then you’re going to have to support development so as to make places like Africa decent and attractive places to be. The biggest part of this is to simply withdraw your support from policies that make places like Africa indecent shitholes. STOP the looting, stop the wholesale theft.

    Another major part is to do as China is doing: underwrite and support infrastructure and other fundamental development in a collegial, win-win spirit (i.e. non-exploitative, seeking to benefit both sides of the transactions). Another major part would be to repair the worst of the damage done in recent decades by military adventures, e.g. the destruction of Libya. Restore Libya, and other countries, to what they were before we bombed the shit out of them. And so on. There’s a ton of work to do, and over a century of destruction and chaos to rectify.

    It is a project, but a worthwhile project IF you are serious about saving your white race and racial homelands. Are you?

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    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
    And when your goal is nearest,
    The end for others sought,
    Watch sloth and heathen folly,
    Bring all your dreams to naught.

    True when Kipling wrote it--just as true today.
    , @annamaria
    "That transition means a falling-off of fertility to and below replacement (2.2) level, with consequent impact on population over the next half-century or so. The transition requires a complex of things, mainly raising populations out of desperate poverty, but also other improvements such as education and medical care..."
    This is a noble cause to propose, but what about Baltimore? As a hard-working emigre once explained, "you could built new and shining cities and give these cities to blacks - and the cities will be completely trashed; then you erase the trashed cities and build new ones - to be trashed again.... This could go for generations."
    Have affirmative actions and the education and medical care stopped Baltimore dwellers from producing babies in excess?
    2015: "The number of women who had a birth in the last 12 months is nearly 50% higher in Baltimore than in neighboring Washington D.C." https://baltimorebrew.com/2014/04/01/high-birth-rate-key-to-baltimores-population-profile/
    "The cause of disproportionate crime and poverty rates among blacks in Baltimore and the U.S. is the continued degradation of the nuclear family. The out-of-wedlock birth rate among blacks is 72 percent, comparted to 54 percent for Hispanics and 29 percent for whites."
    http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/readersrespond/bs-ed-baltiimore-race-letter-20150318-story.html
    Both China and Russia went through massive devastations, and yet both countries have regained their intellectual potentials. What is the intellectual potential of sub-Saharan Africa? perhaps it is not a bad idea to introduce a one-child policy for the sub-Saharans (and Baltimoreans).
  169. @The Anti-Gnostic
    What was the population of Africa before foreign aid, vaccinations and Western technology?

    The trifecta of dull wits.

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    "The trifecta of dull wits."

    We expect more from you in the meme department. Wife and kids cutting into your blog time?
  170. @fitzGetty
    ... it is true that any talk of the need for BIRTH CONTROL in Africa is Verboten ...

    Rubbish. Birth control is, and has been for decades, a major goal of development agencies. Mostly, these days, they pursue it via educating women.

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  171. @alan2102
    "the suggestion that the Africans before the mid 19th century had a nice balance of fertility, morbitity and mortality in fheir lives which did not involve the harsh Malthusian correctives to excess births, and that the West disrupted this but not by modern medicine, pacification or Christian religion. It seems to me in need of proof."

    Why don't you look it up? The statistics are as clear as they can be (i.e. as clear as statistics can be for years like 1500, 1600, 1700 and so on).

    If you had paid attention you would see that i was referring to causation and not raw statistics. So my point remains untouched.

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    Fine. So provide evidence that "harsh Malthusian correctives" were in operation all those centuries.
  172. @Corvinus
    "Thanks. I didn’t think that he was Jewish."

    Steyn is Jewish. Once a Jew, always a Jew, right? Why are you covering for him?

    So his having a great grandparent who was Jewish makes him genetically and biologically Jewish in a way that determines his attitudes and behaviour?

    Are their any other similarly potent ethnicities? If it is exclusive to Jews what scientific explanation can you offer for this unique potency. And how by the way do you explain those quarter and one eighth Jews, indeed fully Jewish Jews, belonging to different parties and factions and bitterly opposing each other and their policies.

    In short can you describe what kind of masturbatory pleaasure you get out of spouting pure rhetorical rubbish?

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    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "So his having a great grandparent who was Jewish makes him genetically and biologically Jewish in a way that determines his attitudes and behaviour?"

    Ask the "Jews are the bane of human existence" crowd here. They are better equipped to answer this pertinent question.

    "Are their any other similarly potent ethnicities? If it is exclusive to Jews what scientific explanation can you offer for this unique potency. And how by the way do you explain those quarter and one eighth Jews, indeed fully Jewish Jews, belonging to different parties and factions and bitterly opposing each other and their policies."

    All I here on this site is a Jew is a Jew is a Jew is a Jew from a number of posters here. Your inquiry is best served for that audience.

    "In short can you describe what kind of masturbatory pleaasure you get out of spouting pure rhetorical rubbish?"

    Talk to Anon/War For Blair Mountain/Anonym and whatever sockpuppets he musters up and get back to us.
    , @Z-man
    Going back to Steyn lol, and to your post, more laughs. If you look at his bio on Wiki you can read between the mumbo jumbo and see that the bio is full of shit. It mentions his grandmothers or great grand mothers, no mention of the paternal link, since Steyn is his family name and definitely a derivative name. So please, stop and smell the hymie. LOL!!!
    , @Bel Riose
    "In short can you describe what kind of masturbatory pleasure you get out of spouting pure rhetorical rubbish?"

    Perfectly said.

    With a minimum of words and a maximum of accuracy, you've just summed up Corvinus's M.O.

    Oh -- it was hilarious, too.
  173. @The Anti-Gnostic
    The trifecta of dull wits.

    “The trifecta of dull wits.”

    We expect more from you in the meme department. Wife and kids cutting into your blog time?

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  174. @Truth
    The ENGLISH industrial age economy was built upon the backs of US and Caribbean slavery. No, I did no not mean the American economy, I meant Derbyshire's not-to-distant ancestors. Even Steve Sailer exposed this economic birdseed trail once.

    Often times, we do not like things, but they are what they are. I am not a "blamer" per say. White people did what they did (including Khazars), and took advantage of a situation, and we can't live in the past, which is where I disagree with so many black people, but the facts are the facts.

    “Built on the backs of” is insubstantial rhetoric calculated to misleadv dim 18 year old who shouldn’t be going to a college which makes them think their half-baked derivaive opinions are worth anything.

    The implication that slavery was all important is nonsense. Not only did there have to be an immense contribution of ingenuity following and based on the Scientific and Agricultural Revolutions as well (per Weber and Tawney) the Protestant Ethic but you should consider that the Portuguese and Spanish made more and longer use of slaves and got almost nowhere.

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    • Replies: @alan2102
    Slavery was not ALL-important, but it was important. It provided the primitive capital accumulation -- critical for more-advanced capital accumulation to follow. It matters, of course, how you use the capital; it is possible to screw up (the Portuguese and Spanish).

    "Built on the backs of" is a shorthand, and like all shorthand it is not precise, but close enough.
    , @Truth
    Well you're a lot more likely to sit on an Ivy League covered campus if your parents have a bunch of employees they don't have to pay.
  175. @Wizard of Oz
    If you had paid attention you would see that i was referring to causation and not raw statistics. So my point remains untouched.

    Fine. So provide evidence that “harsh Malthusian correctives” were in operation all those centuries.

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  176. @Wizard of Oz
    "Built on the backs of" is insubstantial rhetoric calculated to misleadv dim 18 year old who shouldn't be going to a college which makes them think their half-baked derivaive opinions are worth anything.

    The implication that slavery was all important is nonsense. Not only did there have to be an immense contribution of ingenuity following and based on the Scientific and Agricultural Revolutions as well (per Weber and Tawney) the Protestant Ethic but you should consider that the Portuguese and Spanish made more and longer use of slaves and got almost nowhere.

    Slavery was not ALL-important, but it was important. It provided the primitive capital accumulation — critical for more-advanced capital accumulation to follow. It matters, of course, how you use the capital; it is possible to screw up (the Portuguese and Spanish).

    “Built on the backs of” is a shorthand, and like all shorthand it is not precise, but close enough.

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    • Replies: @dc.sunsets
    So what colonial power is building on the extermination of the Bambuti tribe?
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/extermination-of-the-pygmies-552332.html

    Africa IS the Dark Continent.
  177. @alan2102
    "Here’s a great read you’ll never peruse"

    I perused it all right. But nothing substantive about the roots/causes of "Future Orientation" and "Commonweal Orientation"; hence useless.

    "Africans voting with their feet, fleeing to places run by former colonial powers, is a heck of a lot more honest than claims that Africa is The Place To Be, and if not for whitey, would be On Top of Everyone Else."

    And who is making those "claims", hmmm? Cite ONE such claim.

    And who is making those “claims”, hmmm?

    So the waves of mass migration toward Europe are…not there?

    As to to “future orientation,” the studies are done (and they’re quite simple.)

    I really don’t care what you think. The world will go its own way, and I’m just a passenger. If you want to think that showering Africa with Welfare-State gibsmedats will change things for the better, you’re entitled to believe it. I have yet to see that work ANYWHERE, however.

    OTOH, we have evidence of what happens when people of European ancestry are not running things in Africa, just as we have one example after another in the USA of places that were peaceful, safe and (relatively) free of corruption when run by whites, but as soon as blacks obtain a political plurality, they spiral into the ground (Baltimore, Detroit, Selma, etc.) amidst gang warfare and open criminality among the politicians.

    Only the volitionally blind can’t see the lesson of the last 50 years.

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    dc, here is what you wrote: “Africans voting with their feet, fleeing to places run by former colonial powers, is a heck of a lot more honest than claims that Africa is The Place To Be, and if not for whitey, would be On Top of Everyone Else.

    Hence, the CLAIMS in question are that "Africa is the place to be, if not for whitey", etc.

    I responded: "And who is making those “claims”, hmmm?"

    Get it? Do you have a reply?

    "The world will go its own way, and I’m just a passenger."

    DITTO!

    The world will indeed go its own way, and it sure as hell won't be the way that you want it to go. It won't be 100% the way I want it to go, either, but on balance, it'll be much more my way than yours. Africa WILL be developed, it WILL be modernized, industrialized, urbanized. Per capita GDPs WILL ascend, incrementally, over decades. They WILL have their demographic transition. None of this will happen fast enough to suit me, but it will happen. Your racialized interpretation of things is hopelessly ignorant. You've never studied the causes of e.g. the decline of Detroit, and hence you haven't a clue. That's cool. It really doesn't matter. People like you are such a tiny fraction of the population that it doesn't matter.
  178. @Truth
    The ENGLISH industrial age economy was built upon the backs of US and Caribbean slavery. No, I did no not mean the American economy, I meant Derbyshire's not-to-distant ancestors. Even Steve Sailer exposed this economic birdseed trail once.

    Often times, we do not like things, but they are what they are. I am not a "blamer" per say. White people did what they did (including Khazars), and took advantage of a situation, and we can't live in the past, which is where I disagree with so many black people, but the facts are the facts.

    Slave labor was not “free”. Besides the initial “purchase of the slave, the “owner” had to keep the slave well-fed, well-clothed, and generally in good spirits, if he expected any work out of him. There were continual expenses involved in the “ownership” of slaves.
    The people who really “got their money’s worth” were those who sponsored (white) indentured servants. For the cost of a “boat ride”, the sponsor got seven years of “free” labor, often with abuse thrown for good measure. In addition, indentured servants were considered expendable, as the length of their contracts were limited. This had the unfortunate effect of indentured servants being given the most dangerous work, as slaves were too valuable to be subject to such treatment.

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    Slave labor was not “free”. Besides the initial “purchase of the slave, the “owner” had to keep the slave well-fed, well-clothed, and generally in good spirits, if he expected any work out of him. There were continual expenses involved in the “ownership” of slaves.
     
    Cool, Sport!

    Your Boss will be quite happy tomorrow when you walk into work and give him the option of witholding your salary in lieu of a meal, clothing and medical care!

    I'm so glad you are willing to back up your rhetoric with action, that's rare here.
  179. @Wizard of Oz
    So his having a great grandparent who was Jewish makes him genetically and biologically Jewish in a way that determines his attitudes and behaviour?

    Are their any other similarly potent ethnicities? If it is exclusive to Jews what scientific explanation can you offer for this unique potency. And how by the way do you explain those quarter and one eighth Jews, indeed fully Jewish Jews, belonging to different parties and factions and bitterly opposing each other and their policies.

    In short can you describe what kind of masturbatory pleaasure you get out of spouting pure rhetorical rubbish?

    “So his having a great grandparent who was Jewish makes him genetically and biologically Jewish in a way that determines his attitudes and behaviour?”

    Ask the “Jews are the bane of human existence” crowd here. They are better equipped to answer this pertinent question.

    “Are their any other similarly potent ethnicities? If it is exclusive to Jews what scientific explanation can you offer for this unique potency. And how by the way do you explain those quarter and one eighth Jews, indeed fully Jewish Jews, belonging to different parties and factions and bitterly opposing each other and their policies.”

    All I here on this site is a Jew is a Jew is a Jew is a Jew from a number of posters here. Your inquiry is best served for that audience.

    “In short can you describe what kind of masturbatory pleaasure you get out of spouting pure rhetorical rubbish?”

    Talk to Anon/War For Blair Mountain/Anonym and whatever sockpuppets he musters up and get back to us.

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  180. @alan2102
    "This is like saying we impoverished Africa by not letting them buy Apple stock back in the day."

    See links in post #91. Read them.

    Read them

    I opened your links and read enough to know what they’re about; I used to be in the field; i.e., the West paid cheap for African resources and used them to run their $20 trillion dollar economies for the last one hundred years; so now we owe Africa two quadrillion dollars. That is ghetto economics.

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  181. @alan2102
    "Central and South America, where the non-starving lower class has the highest birthrate.... Your premise is faulty"

    It is generally true that lower SES correlates with somewhat higher birthrate (and the reverse: higher SES with somewhat lower birthrate). But that is really not what I'm talking about. I am not talking about "somewhat", i.e. small changes. I am talking about the big-chunk changes, like fertility collapsing down from 5-6 to replacement (2.2) or below. That's what happened in most of the world, including Central and South America, over the last half-century.

    Central and South American fertility is BELOW REPLACEMENT (below 2.2), just like most of the rest of the world except Africa; see here:
    http://www.un.org/en/development/desa/population/publications/pdf/fertility/world-fertility-patterns-2015.pdf

    Such was not the case in 1950.

    It is generally true that lower SES correlates with somewhat higher birthrate (and the reverse: higher SES with somewhat lower birthrate). But that is really not what I’m talking about. I am not talking about “somewhat”, i.e. small changes. I am talking about the big-chunk changes, like fertility collapsing down from 5-6 to replacement (2.2) or below.

    Okay, I will acknowledge that, although it may be circumstantial (although a test for repeatability/consistency is certainly difficult, if not too much to ask), it makes more sense in your followup.

    It is worth noting that, in general, rising expectations tend to increase birthrates.

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    "a test for repeatability/consistency is certainly difficult, if not too much to ask)"

    It has been repeated several times, notably China and India, both of which are now below replacement fertility level, down from 5-6 a couple generations ago. BIG-CHUNK DROP-OFF. It has happened all over the world.

    "It is worth noting that, in general, rising expectations tend to increase birthrates."

    The opposite is true. When people get desperate (lower expectations, existential insecurity), they have babies.
  182. @alan2102
    alan2102 (I) wrote: "So, where does this leave today’s white nationalists? Hmmm. Nowhere, really. There’s nothing to do; no remedies; no viable actions."

    Addendum:

    There IS something you can do.

    You can support general development toward a demographic transition in Africa, the same as has happened in the rest of the world. That transition means a falling-off of fertility to and below replacement (2.2) level, with consequent impact on population over the next half-century or so. The transition requires a complex of things, mainly raising populations out of desperate poverty, but also other improvements such as education and medical care. Urbanization also helps. Such a transition for Africa could result in their ultimate population reaching, say, three billion, instead of four billion. Or possibly even less than three billion if the project were undertaken energetically starting right now.

    Further, such a project would not only reduce ultimate population, it would greatly improve living conditions (indeed, it reduces population BY WAY OF improving living conditions!), such that the pressure to leave -- immigrate -- would be much less, or even absent.

    In other words, if you want to "stop the flood" of immigrants "invading" your white homelands, then you're going to have to support development so as to make places like Africa decent and attractive places to be. The biggest part of this is to simply withdraw your support from policies that make places like Africa indecent shitholes. STOP the looting, stop the wholesale theft.

    Another major part is to do as China is doing: underwrite and support infrastructure and other fundamental development in a collegial, win-win spirit (i.e. non-exploitative, seeking to benefit both sides of the transactions). Another major part would be to repair the worst of the damage done in recent decades by military adventures, e.g. the destruction of Libya. Restore Libya, and other countries, to what they were before we bombed the shit out of them. And so on. There's a ton of work to do, and over a century of destruction and chaos to rectify.

    It is a project, but a worthwhile project IF you are serious about saving your white race and racial homelands. Are you?

    And when your goal is nearest,
    The end for others sought,
    Watch sloth and heathen folly,
    Bring all your dreams to naught.

    True when Kipling wrote it–just as true today.

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    • Replies: @alan2102
    It is always for dreams to be brought to naught. Catastrophic nuclear war, asteroid hits earth, etc., etc. All kinds of things can happen.

    Tell you what: let's meet here in 50 years -- May 17, 2067 -- and trade notes, see whose predictions came closest. What say you?
  183. @alan2102
    Slavery was not ALL-important, but it was important. It provided the primitive capital accumulation -- critical for more-advanced capital accumulation to follow. It matters, of course, how you use the capital; it is possible to screw up (the Portuguese and Spanish).

    "Built on the backs of" is a shorthand, and like all shorthand it is not precise, but close enough.

    So what colonial power is building on the extermination of the Bambuti tribe?
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/extermination-of-the-pygmies-552332.html

    Africa IS the Dark Continent.

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    • Replies: @alan2102
    dc, you've convinced me. I now see that blacks are sub-human savages. It is obvious, from their documented behavior. Except that for every savage, sub-human thing that the blacks have been observed to do, there is an equal number (or, to be fair, a much larger number) of savage, sub-human things that whites and yellows have been observed to do. Hmmm. I guess humans in general are sub-human savages. Perhaps they should all simply be executed. An inferior race. Best be done with them. ALL of them.
  184. @alan2102
    "Have you been to Detroit?"

    BEEN there?! I lived there for many years, and still live nearby.

    You know nothing about Detroit and the causes of its decline. Nothing. You could inform yourself, however. Read Thomas Sugrue.

    You know nothing about Detroit and the causes of its decline.

    I do

    one of the main causes of Detroit’s swirl into the abyss was a corrupt black racist mayor named Coleman Young

    another was the greed and stupidity of the auto industry execs and the greed and stupidity of the UAW

    another was the riots

    but mostly it was the anti-white racism and stupidity of the liberals and black racists like the mayor who blamed everything wrong with Detroit on white racism, even as he was looting the city blind

    soon the thugs and uber-corrupt politicians were in control of the city and everyone with the means did everything they could to get out. Taking the tax base with them.

    following in mayor Coleman Young’s footsteps was Obama buddy mayor Kwame Kilpatrick

    http://i.huffpost.com/gen/173552/thumbs/r-KWAME-KILPATRICK-BOOT-CAMP-DETROIT-MAYOR-large570.jpg

    his corruption was legendary, and today he’s spending a 28 year term in federal prison. Even his buddy Obama wouldn’t touch that one for a pardon. He used the Detroit police as his personal uniformed thugs and goon squad when he wasn’t looting the coffers of the city for his notorious parties where sometimes people ended up dead

    greed, corruption, racism, stupidity, Negro-mania, serial criminality, etc..

    here’s a pretty good, even-handed book on Detroit and its follies and foibles

    https://www.amazon.com/Detroit-American-Autopsy-Charlie-LeDuff/dp/0143124463

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    one of the main causes of Detroit’s swirl into the abyss was a corrupt black racist mayor named Coleman Young

    another was the greed and stupidity of the auto industry execs and the greed and stupidity of the UAW
     
    Ayup!

    (I don't have enough posts to merit an Agree.)
  185. @Wizard of Oz
    "Built on the backs of" is insubstantial rhetoric calculated to misleadv dim 18 year old who shouldn't be going to a college which makes them think their half-baked derivaive opinions are worth anything.

    The implication that slavery was all important is nonsense. Not only did there have to be an immense contribution of ingenuity following and based on the Scientific and Agricultural Revolutions as well (per Weber and Tawney) the Protestant Ethic but you should consider that the Portuguese and Spanish made more and longer use of slaves and got almost nowhere.

    Well you’re a lot more likely to sit on an Ivy League covered campus if your parents have a bunch of employees they don’t have to pay.

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    Or go to Oxbridge if your great grandfathers started a biscuit manufacturer, a bank, a shipping line (after slavery had ended) and a flour milling business inter slia...
  186. @anarchyst
    Slave labor was not "free". Besides the initial "purchase of the slave, the "owner" had to keep the slave well-fed, well-clothed, and generally in good spirits, if he expected any work out of him. There were continual expenses involved in the "ownership" of slaves.
    The people who really "got their money's worth" were those who sponsored (white) indentured servants. For the cost of a "boat ride", the sponsor got seven years of "free" labor, often with abuse thrown for good measure. In addition, indentured servants were considered expendable, as the length of their contracts were limited. This had the unfortunate effect of indentured servants being given the most dangerous work, as slaves were too valuable to be subject to such treatment.

    Slave labor was not “free”. Besides the initial “purchase of the slave, the “owner” had to keep the slave well-fed, well-clothed, and generally in good spirits, if he expected any work out of him. There were continual expenses involved in the “ownership” of slaves.

    Cool, Sport!

    Your Boss will be quite happy tomorrow when you walk into work and give him the option of witholding your salary in lieu of a meal, clothing and medical care!

    I’m so glad you are willing to back up your rhetoric with action, that’s rare here.

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  187. @dc.sunsets

    And who is making those “claims”, hmmm?
     
    So the waves of mass migration toward Europe are...not there?

    As to to "future orientation," the studies are done (and they're quite simple.)

    I really don't care what you think. The world will go its own way, and I'm just a passenger. If you want to think that showering Africa with Welfare-State gibsmedats will change things for the better, you're entitled to believe it. I have yet to see that work ANYWHERE, however.

    OTOH, we have evidence of what happens when people of European ancestry are not running things in Africa, just as we have one example after another in the USA of places that were peaceful, safe and (relatively) free of corruption when run by whites, but as soon as blacks obtain a political plurality, they spiral into the ground (Baltimore, Detroit, Selma, etc.) amidst gang warfare and open criminality among the politicians.

    Only the volitionally blind can't see the lesson of the last 50 years.

    dc, here is what you wrote: “Africans voting with their feet, fleeing to places run by former colonial powers, is a heck of a lot more honest than claims that Africa is The Place To Be, and if not for whitey, would be On Top of Everyone Else.

    Hence, the CLAIMS in question are that “Africa is the place to be, if not for whitey”, etc.

    I responded: “And who is making those “claims”, hmmm?”

    Get it? Do you have a reply?

    “The world will go its own way, and I’m just a passenger.”

    DITTO!

    The world will indeed go its own way, and it sure as hell won’t be the way that you want it to go. It won’t be 100% the way I want it to go, either, but on balance, it’ll be much more my way than yours. Africa WILL be developed, it WILL be modernized, industrialized, urbanized. Per capita GDPs WILL ascend, incrementally, over decades. They WILL have their demographic transition. None of this will happen fast enough to suit me, but it will happen. Your racialized interpretation of things is hopelessly ignorant. You’ve never studied the causes of e.g. the decline of Detroit, and hence you haven’t a clue. That’s cool. It really doesn’t matter. People like you are such a tiny fraction of the population that it doesn’t matter.

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    People like you are such a tiny fraction of the population that it doesn’t matter.
     
    ROFLMAO. People who are a "tiny fraction" of the population typically have enormous influence over the rest. And the economy. And the government. And the society. And the future of development.
    , @dc.sunsets
    You misunderstand my views.

    I look at the last 50 and 150 years as a trend. I believe that trend is at apogee. It doesn't matter what I like or don't like about it.

    I figure Africa is more likely to be conquered by restive Chinese than leap from near barbarism into modernity. Heck, Russia couldn't make a fraction of that jump in the early 20th century, and that cost ten million or more people their lives.

    We'll have to agree that our views conflict. Fortunately, reality could care less about that.

    For a taste of what I follow, try this article. It's a little dated, but I assure you that the author dispassionately applies his lens to the "fashionability" of eugenics. Given that his forecast is for a very large degree "fourth wave" to occur when this manic rally ends, my guess is that eugenics is going to be VERY fashionable indeed.
    http://www.socionomics.net/2009/11/a-socionomic-study-of-eugenics-will-you-make-the-cut/

    And yes, I figure I'll make the cut. (grin)
  188. @John Jeremiah Smith

    It is generally true that lower SES correlates with somewhat higher birthrate (and the reverse: higher SES with somewhat lower birthrate). But that is really not what I’m talking about. I am not talking about “somewhat”, i.e. small changes. I am talking about the big-chunk changes, like fertility collapsing down from 5-6 to replacement (2.2) or below.
     
    Okay, I will acknowledge that, although it may be circumstantial (although a test for repeatability/consistency is certainly difficult, if not too much to ask), it makes more sense in your followup.

    It is worth noting that, in general, rising expectations tend to increase birthrates.

    “a test for repeatability/consistency is certainly difficult, if not too much to ask)”

    It has been repeated several times, notably China and India, both of which are now below replacement fertility level, down from 5-6 a couple generations ago. BIG-CHUNK DROP-OFF. It has happened all over the world.

    “It is worth noting that, in general, rising expectations tend to increase birthrates.”

    The opposite is true. When people get desperate (lower expectations, existential insecurity), they have babies.

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    The opposite is true. When people get desperate (lower expectations, existential insecurity), they have babies.
     
    In a word: Bullshit. Support your position with stats older than 10 years -- try 50,000 years.

    You see, Alan, you're popping off like a smartass. One swallow doesn't make a summer, and 30 years of questionable statistics derived from the welfare state does not constitute proof.
  189. @Diversity Heretic
    And when your goal is nearest,
    The end for others sought,
    Watch sloth and heathen folly,
    Bring all your dreams to naught.

    True when Kipling wrote it--just as true today.

    It is always for dreams to be brought to naught. Catastrophic nuclear war, asteroid hits earth, etc., etc. All kinds of things can happen.

    Tell you what: let’s meet here in 50 years — May 17, 2067 — and trade notes, see whose predictions came closest. What say you?

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    • Replies: @alan2102
    "It is always for dreams to be brought to naught"

    It is always POSSIBLE for dreams to be brought to naught, I meant.
  190. @dc.sunsets
    So what colonial power is building on the extermination of the Bambuti tribe?
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/extermination-of-the-pygmies-552332.html

    Africa IS the Dark Continent.

    dc, you’ve convinced me. I now see that blacks are sub-human savages. It is obvious, from their documented behavior. Except that for every savage, sub-human thing that the blacks have been observed to do, there is an equal number (or, to be fair, a much larger number) of savage, sub-human things that whites and yellows have been observed to do. Hmmm. I guess humans in general are sub-human savages. Perhaps they should all simply be executed. An inferior race. Best be done with them. ALL of them.

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  191. @alan2102
    It is always for dreams to be brought to naught. Catastrophic nuclear war, asteroid hits earth, etc., etc. All kinds of things can happen.

    Tell you what: let's meet here in 50 years -- May 17, 2067 -- and trade notes, see whose predictions came closest. What say you?

    “It is always for dreams to be brought to naught”

    It is always POSSIBLE for dreams to be brought to naught, I meant.

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  192. @alan2102
    alan2102 (I) wrote: "So, where does this leave today’s white nationalists? Hmmm. Nowhere, really. There’s nothing to do; no remedies; no viable actions."

    Addendum:

    There IS something you can do.

    You can support general development toward a demographic transition in Africa, the same as has happened in the rest of the world. That transition means a falling-off of fertility to and below replacement (2.2) level, with consequent impact on population over the next half-century or so. The transition requires a complex of things, mainly raising populations out of desperate poverty, but also other improvements such as education and medical care. Urbanization also helps. Such a transition for Africa could result in their ultimate population reaching, say, three billion, instead of four billion. Or possibly even less than three billion if the project were undertaken energetically starting right now.

    Further, such a project would not only reduce ultimate population, it would greatly improve living conditions (indeed, it reduces population BY WAY OF improving living conditions!), such that the pressure to leave -- immigrate -- would be much less, or even absent.

    In other words, if you want to "stop the flood" of immigrants "invading" your white homelands, then you're going to have to support development so as to make places like Africa decent and attractive places to be. The biggest part of this is to simply withdraw your support from policies that make places like Africa indecent shitholes. STOP the looting, stop the wholesale theft.

    Another major part is to do as China is doing: underwrite and support infrastructure and other fundamental development in a collegial, win-win spirit (i.e. non-exploitative, seeking to benefit both sides of the transactions). Another major part would be to repair the worst of the damage done in recent decades by military adventures, e.g. the destruction of Libya. Restore Libya, and other countries, to what they were before we bombed the shit out of them. And so on. There's a ton of work to do, and over a century of destruction and chaos to rectify.

    It is a project, but a worthwhile project IF you are serious about saving your white race and racial homelands. Are you?

    “That transition means a falling-off of fertility to and below replacement (2.2) level, with consequent impact on population over the next half-century or so. The transition requires a complex of things, mainly raising populations out of desperate poverty, but also other improvements such as education and medical care…”
    This is a noble cause to propose, but what about Baltimore? As a hard-working emigre once explained, “you could built new and shining cities and give these cities to blacks – and the cities will be completely trashed; then you erase the trashed cities and build new ones – to be trashed again…. This could go for generations.”
    Have affirmative actions and the education and medical care stopped Baltimore dwellers from producing babies in excess?
    2015: “The number of women who had a birth in the last 12 months is nearly 50% higher in Baltimore than in neighboring Washington D.C.” https://baltimorebrew.com/2014/04/01/high-birth-rate-key-to-baltimores-population-profile/
    “The cause of disproportionate crime and poverty rates among blacks in Baltimore and the U.S. is the continued degradation of the nuclear family. The out-of-wedlock birth rate among blacks is 72 percent, comparted to 54 percent for Hispanics and 29 percent for whites.”
    http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/readersrespond/bs-ed-baltiimore-race-letter-20150318-story.html
    Both China and Russia went through massive devastations, and yet both countries have regained their intellectual potentials. What is the intellectual potential of sub-Saharan Africa? perhaps it is not a bad idea to introduce a one-child policy for the sub-Saharans (and Baltimoreans).

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    "This is a noble cause to propose, but what about Baltimore?"

    What does Baltimore have to do with the developing world, about which I was speaking? Anything?

    “you could built new and shining cities and give these cities to blacks – and the cities will be completely trashed"

    That's true of some blacks. It is also true of some whites. The primitive savages that occupied northern Europe in, say, the year 700 BC, were incapable of civilization. It would take a few generations, at least, of cultural development before those barbarians would become capable of civilization. So it is with some blacks. And so it is today with your typical sister-fucking oxycodone-snorting booze-addled trailer-trash whites. Even highly-educated whites of supposedly superior cultural and moral upbringing still have all too much barbarianism in them. A good example from recent history is Germany's horrific war of extermination against Russia, resulting in TWENTY MILLION DEAD. This is reminiscent of the great savage genocides of Timur or Genghiz. (Speaking of which: let's not forget the sometimes mind-blowing savagery and beastiality of the Asians!) Other examples from recent history include the horrible crimes of the U.S. against numerous countries such as Libya, Iraq, and many others, resulting in many millions dead, many more millions maimed and impoverished, and so on. It is obvious and easily-documented that there is no point in talking about particular races being intrinsically more civilized or less barbarian than others.

    I don't know anything about Baltimore, specifically. But as regards fertility in the U.S. by race, see here:
    https://hailtoyou.wordpress.com/2015/12/21/total-fertility-rates-by-race-in-the-usa-1980-2013/
    .... as you can see, black (and hispanic) fertility is way down over the last ~25 years; for the blacks, at 1.88, it is now way under replacement (2.2).

    So, if blacks are now at 1.88, well below replacement, are they still "having babies in excess"? If yes, then how low would fertility have to drop for you to be happy? 1.0? 0.5? Be specific.

    "perhaps it is not a bad idea to introduce a one-child policy for the sub-Saharans (and Baltimoreans)."

    The "one-child policy" has already been introduced, the world over. It is called the demographic transition. Look it up. It is working, marvelously, much better than China's (literal) one-child policy (which actually did not work all that well). Fertility has dropped off a cliff over the last 50 years, with the result that population growth maxed-out in the late 1980s, and has been declining ever since. We will hit ZPG within about 30 more years, maybe less.
  193. @Rurik

    You know nothing about Detroit and the causes of its decline.
     
    I do

    one of the main causes of Detroit's swirl into the abyss was a corrupt black racist mayor named Coleman Young

    another was the greed and stupidity of the auto industry execs and the greed and stupidity of the UAW

    another was the riots

    but mostly it was the anti-white racism and stupidity of the liberals and black racists like the mayor who blamed everything wrong with Detroit on white racism, even as he was looting the city blind

    soon the thugs and uber-corrupt politicians were in control of the city and everyone with the means did everything they could to get out. Taking the tax base with them.

    following in mayor Coleman Young's footsteps was Obama buddy mayor Kwame Kilpatrick


    http://i.huffpost.com/gen/173552/thumbs/r-KWAME-KILPATRICK-BOOT-CAMP-DETROIT-MAYOR-large570.jpg

    his corruption was legendary, and today he's spending a 28 year term in federal prison. Even his buddy Obama wouldn't touch that one for a pardon. He used the Detroit police as his personal uniformed thugs and goon squad when he wasn't looting the coffers of the city for his notorious parties where sometimes people ended up dead

    greed, corruption, racism, stupidity, Negro-mania, serial criminality, etc..

    here's a pretty good, even-handed book on Detroit and its follies and foibles

    https://www.amazon.com/Detroit-American-Autopsy-Charlie-LeDuff/dp/0143124463

    one of the main causes of Detroit’s swirl into the abyss was a corrupt black racist mayor named Coleman Young

    another was the greed and stupidity of the auto industry execs and the greed and stupidity of the UAW

    Ayup!

    (I don’t have enough posts to merit an Agree.)

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  194. @alan2102
    "a test for repeatability/consistency is certainly difficult, if not too much to ask)"

    It has been repeated several times, notably China and India, both of which are now below replacement fertility level, down from 5-6 a couple generations ago. BIG-CHUNK DROP-OFF. It has happened all over the world.

    "It is worth noting that, in general, rising expectations tend to increase birthrates."

    The opposite is true. When people get desperate (lower expectations, existential insecurity), they have babies.

    The opposite is true. When people get desperate (lower expectations, existential insecurity), they have babies.

    In a word: Bullshit. Support your position with stats older than 10 years — try 50,000 years.

    You see, Alan, you’re popping off like a smartass. One swallow doesn’t make a summer, and 30 years of questionable statistics derived from the welfare state does not constitute proof.

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    "Support your position with stats older than 10 years — try 50,000 years."

    Sorry, but stats from 50K years ago are hard to come by.

    "You see, Alan, you’re popping off like a smartass."

    True. I know how to have fun.

    "30 years of questionable statistics derived from the welfare state does not constitute proof."

    The observations of demographers over the last century are not "questionable statistics derived from the welfare state", you jackass.

    Generally, high fertility is associated with poverty, existential insecurity, rural life, poor education, poor or no medical care, and no access to birth control. Low fertility is associated with the opposite on all fronts. There is ongoing debate about which factor is most important, and which least (or maybe even not at all). But they all tend to go together, and as a general observation, it is indisputable. Poor family, living in the sticks, no education, etc., etc., typically has 4, 5 or more kids. Not-so-poor family, living in the city or nearby, some education, etc., etc., typically has 3 or fewer. Fertility has dropped off a cliff, worldwide, over the last 50 years, and that is the reason: much less poverty, more urbanization, much better education (illiteracy in steep decline), and so on.
  195. @alan2102
    dc, here is what you wrote: “Africans voting with their feet, fleeing to places run by former colonial powers, is a heck of a lot more honest than claims that Africa is The Place To Be, and if not for whitey, would be On Top of Everyone Else.

    Hence, the CLAIMS in question are that "Africa is the place to be, if not for whitey", etc.

    I responded: "And who is making those “claims”, hmmm?"

    Get it? Do you have a reply?

    "The world will go its own way, and I’m just a passenger."

    DITTO!

    The world will indeed go its own way, and it sure as hell won't be the way that you want it to go. It won't be 100% the way I want it to go, either, but on balance, it'll be much more my way than yours. Africa WILL be developed, it WILL be modernized, industrialized, urbanized. Per capita GDPs WILL ascend, incrementally, over decades. They WILL have their demographic transition. None of this will happen fast enough to suit me, but it will happen. Your racialized interpretation of things is hopelessly ignorant. You've never studied the causes of e.g. the decline of Detroit, and hence you haven't a clue. That's cool. It really doesn't matter. People like you are such a tiny fraction of the population that it doesn't matter.

    People like you are such a tiny fraction of the population that it doesn’t matter.

    ROFLMAO. People who are a “tiny fraction” of the population typically have enormous influence over the rest. And the economy. And the government. And the society. And the future of development.

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    • Replies: @alan2102
    "People who are a “tiny fraction” of the population typically have enormous influence over the rest."

    True, but I was not talking about the ruling class, I was talking about YOU GUYS. You guys are a tiny fraction with zero influence, hence irrelevant to the forces shaping our future. Tell me how many people in seats of power give two shits about your white nationalistic ideas, or your hand-wringing about the Rising Tide of Color Against White World-Supremacy, or any of your other bullshit. Answer: zero. Dead zero. They don't care.

    What I say would be true even IF, say, Marine LePen had been elected. So what if she HAD been elected? BFD. A scared right-wing mob in France somehow manages to eke-out an electoral victory. BFD.
  196. @Wizard of Oz
    So his having a great grandparent who was Jewish makes him genetically and biologically Jewish in a way that determines his attitudes and behaviour?

    Are their any other similarly potent ethnicities? If it is exclusive to Jews what scientific explanation can you offer for this unique potency. And how by the way do you explain those quarter and one eighth Jews, indeed fully Jewish Jews, belonging to different parties and factions and bitterly opposing each other and their policies.

    In short can you describe what kind of masturbatory pleaasure you get out of spouting pure rhetorical rubbish?

    Going back to Steyn lol, and to your post, more laughs. If you look at his bio on Wiki you can read between the mumbo jumbo and see that the bio is full of shit. It mentions his grandmothers or great grand mothers, no mention of the paternal link, since Steyn is his family name and definitely a derivative name. So please, stop and smell the hymie. LOL!!!

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    Somewhere in the past a male relative decided to wash off the jooie and changed one letter from an "i" to a "y". Kind of clever in a way.....retaining the pronunciation and most the signature.
  197. @Wizard of Oz
    So his having a great grandparent who was Jewish makes him genetically and biologically Jewish in a way that determines his attitudes and behaviour?

    Are their any other similarly potent ethnicities? If it is exclusive to Jews what scientific explanation can you offer for this unique potency. And how by the way do you explain those quarter and one eighth Jews, indeed fully Jewish Jews, belonging to different parties and factions and bitterly opposing each other and their policies.

    In short can you describe what kind of masturbatory pleaasure you get out of spouting pure rhetorical rubbish?

    “In short can you describe what kind of masturbatory pleasure you get out of spouting pure rhetorical rubbish?”

    Perfectly said.

    With a minimum of words and a maximum of accuracy, you’ve just summed up Corvinus’s M.O.

    Oh — it was hilarious, too.

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    "With a minimum of words and a maximum of accuracy, you’ve just summed up Corvinus’s M.O."

    That's it, ride on the Wizard's coat tails. Remember, you didn't build that.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVNHcob3oJg
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    @OutWest
    Bill Gates is doing more harm than good by deeming each of fifteen kids per family in much of Africa should survive 9nto poverty. First teach two children per family. Then the second part about survival becomes easy.

    Not much of a chance for common sense.

    He doesn’t care. He’s insulated from it all.

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  199. @Truth
    Well you're a lot more likely to sit on an Ivy League covered campus if your parents have a bunch of employees they don't have to pay.

    Or go to Oxbridge if your great grandfathers started a biscuit manufacturer, a bank, a shipping line (after slavery had ended) and a flour milling business inter slia…

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    @Hugh Myronbrough
    The "Arctic Alliance" always seemed quite arbitrary to me. Russian corruption and their "despotic-bureaucratic" culture makes them an odd companion to NW Europe. The Chinese don't have anything in common with us, genetically or culturally.

    You could make an argument for Japan and South Korea, based on convergent cultural institutions. But Russia, China, and good chunks of Eastern Europe just don't make sense to me.

    Chinese are smart. In simple terms, they have the same raw horsepower as Europeans. Cultural differences are very real but less innate.

    Similar smart people: Russians, Koreans, Japanese

    Not smart: Austronesians, Africans

    In between: Arabs, Thais

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  201. @Bel Riose
    "In short can you describe what kind of masturbatory pleasure you get out of spouting pure rhetorical rubbish?"

    Perfectly said.

    With a minimum of words and a maximum of accuracy, you've just summed up Corvinus's M.O.

    Oh -- it was hilarious, too.

    “With a minimum of words and a maximum of accuracy, you’ve just summed up Corvinus’s M.O.”

    That’s it, ride on the Wizard’s coat tails. Remember, you didn’t build that.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVNHcob3oJg

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  202. @Z-man
    Going back to Steyn lol, and to your post, more laughs. If you look at his bio on Wiki you can read between the mumbo jumbo and see that the bio is full of shit. It mentions his grandmothers or great grand mothers, no mention of the paternal link, since Steyn is his family name and definitely a derivative name. So please, stop and smell the hymie. LOL!!!

    Somewhere in the past a male relative decided to wash off the jooie and changed one letter from an “i” to a “y”. Kind of clever in a way…..retaining the pronunciation and most the signature.

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  203. @annamaria
    "That transition means a falling-off of fertility to and below replacement (2.2) level, with consequent impact on population over the next half-century or so. The transition requires a complex of things, mainly raising populations out of desperate poverty, but also other improvements such as education and medical care..."
    This is a noble cause to propose, but what about Baltimore? As a hard-working emigre once explained, "you could built new and shining cities and give these cities to blacks - and the cities will be completely trashed; then you erase the trashed cities and build new ones - to be trashed again.... This could go for generations."
    Have affirmative actions and the education and medical care stopped Baltimore dwellers from producing babies in excess?
    2015: "The number of women who had a birth in the last 12 months is nearly 50% higher in Baltimore than in neighboring Washington D.C." https://baltimorebrew.com/2014/04/01/high-birth-rate-key-to-baltimores-population-profile/
    "The cause of disproportionate crime and poverty rates among blacks in Baltimore and the U.S. is the continued degradation of the nuclear family. The out-of-wedlock birth rate among blacks is 72 percent, comparted to 54 percent for Hispanics and 29 percent for whites."
    http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/readersrespond/bs-ed-baltiimore-race-letter-20150318-story.html
    Both China and Russia went through massive devastations, and yet both countries have regained their intellectual potentials. What is the intellectual potential of sub-Saharan Africa? perhaps it is not a bad idea to introduce a one-child policy for the sub-Saharans (and Baltimoreans).

    “This is a noble cause to propose, but what about Baltimore?”

    What does Baltimore have to do with the developing world, about which I was speaking? Anything?

    “you could built new and shining cities and give these cities to blacks – and the cities will be completely trashed”

    That’s true of some blacks. It is also true of some whites. The primitive savages that occupied northern Europe in, say, the year 700 BC, were incapable of civilization. It would take a few generations, at least, of cultural development before those barbarians would become capable of civilization. So it is with some blacks. And so it is today with your typical sister-fucking oxycodone-snorting booze-addled trailer-trash whites. Even highly-educated whites of supposedly superior cultural and moral upbringing still have all too much barbarianism in them. A good example from recent history is Germany’s horrific war of extermination against Russia, resulting in TWENTY MILLION DEAD. This is reminiscent of the great savage genocides of Timur or Genghiz. (Speaking of which: let’s not forget the sometimes mind-blowing savagery and beastiality of the Asians!) Other examples from recent history include the horrible crimes of the U.S. against numerous countries such as Libya, Iraq, and many others, resulting in many millions dead, many more millions maimed and impoverished, and so on. It is obvious and easily-documented that there is no point in talking about particular races being intrinsically more civilized or less barbarian than others.

    I don’t know anything about Baltimore, specifically. But as regards fertility in the U.S. by race, see here:
    https://hailtoyou.wordpress.com/2015/12/21/total-fertility-rates-by-race-in-the-usa-1980-2013/
    …. as you can see, black (and hispanic) fertility is way down over the last ~25 years; for the blacks, at 1.88, it is now way under replacement (2.2).

    So, if blacks are now at 1.88, well below replacement, are they still “having babies in excess”? If yes, then how low would fertility have to drop for you to be happy? 1.0? 0.5? Be specific.

    “perhaps it is not a bad idea to introduce a one-child policy for the sub-Saharans (and Baltimoreans).”

    The “one-child policy” has already been introduced, the world over. It is called the demographic transition. Look it up. It is working, marvelously, much better than China’s (literal) one-child policy (which actually did not work all that well). Fertility has dropped off a cliff over the last 50 years, with the result that population growth maxed-out in the late 1980s, and has been declining ever since. We will hit ZPG within about 30 more years, maybe less.

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  204. @John Jeremiah Smith

    The opposite is true. When people get desperate (lower expectations, existential insecurity), they have babies.
     
    In a word: Bullshit. Support your position with stats older than 10 years -- try 50,000 years.

    You see, Alan, you're popping off like a smartass. One swallow doesn't make a summer, and 30 years of questionable statistics derived from the welfare state does not constitute proof.

    “Support your position with stats older than 10 years — try 50,000 years.”

    Sorry, but stats from 50K years ago are hard to come by.

    “You see, Alan, you’re popping off like a smartass.”

    True. I know how to have fun.

    “30 years of questionable statistics derived from the welfare state does not constitute proof.”

    The observations of demographers over the last century are not “questionable statistics derived from the welfare state”, you jackass.

    Generally, high fertility is associated with poverty, existential insecurity, rural life, poor education, poor or no medical care, and no access to birth control. Low fertility is associated with the opposite on all fronts. There is ongoing debate about which factor is most important, and which least (or maybe even not at all). But they all tend to go together, and as a general observation, it is indisputable. Poor family, living in the sticks, no education, etc., etc., typically has 4, 5 or more kids. Not-so-poor family, living in the city or nearby, some education, etc., etc., typically has 3 or fewer. Fertility has dropped off a cliff, worldwide, over the last 50 years, and that is the reason: much less poverty, more urbanization, much better education (illiteracy in steep decline), and so on.

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  205. @Diversity Heretic
    The Asians are already aware of that graph. How many Africans/Arabs are there in Japan, China or Korea? We don't need the Arctic Alliance--we need the political will to recognize the civilizational end that will result if massive migration of Africans and Arabs (and to a lesser extent Mestizos and Amerindians) to Europe and North America is not halted very soon.

    Dear Diversity Heretic !
    On unrelated topic:
    Previously you were so kind to inquire about my chances of getting grandchildren
    by our daughter, who got Ph.D. 5 years ago in placenta research from
    University of California, campus San Francisco (UCSF).
    My wife and I just visited San Francisco for her graduation ceremony,
    now with M.D. degree, from the same UCSF.
    For better or for worse, she plans to specialize as “family doctor”.
    But to get a license to actually practice medicine,
    she has to through extra 3 (three) years of “residency”.
    It means that in the next 3 years she probably will not have children,
    putting aside even the question of getting married.

    As my late colleague from LLNL taught me to claim:
    “Life is not fair. But consider the alternative.”

    Wit gratitude for understanding my problems, dear D.H.,
    your I.f.f.U.

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    I actually forgotten that I had asked, but thanks for the reply. You worked at Lawrence Livermore--I visited it several times while working on Capitol Hill. As for your daughter, I'm guessing at the math, but I estimate that she's already in her early 30s. Add three years to that, and her sexual market value will be lower and her prospects for marriage and children will decline accordingly. Men don't care about advanced degrees--she'll lose to the fresh-faced 19-year old waitress nine times out of ten to any man who has options. And she'll be reluctant to date or marry down--no electricians, welders and plumbers, even if they have a steady job. But men in economic situations as good or better than her own probably won't find her very intresting, unless she's model pretty.

    A while back a German commentator on Red Ice Radio said that a lot of women who end up unmarried and childless don't ride the "Alpha Cock Carousel," when younger, but actually devote themselves to education and careers in a way that most people would find admirable (he cited a ballerina in her mid-30s and another woman with some kind of professional degree also in her mid-30s). But they're finding their careers not terribly fulfilling; in the case of the ballerina, she's already lasted longer than do most. After all, it's just work and a family doctor is going to see situations (self-induced illnesses and accidents) that will drive her crazy. She may even start wondering about the dysgenic effects of high-IQ women failing to reproduce, and the degeneration of society into Idiocracy.

    All in all, with my congratulations to your daughter for her perserverance, I'm hoping for a diffferent outcome for my own daughter.
  206. @John Jeremiah Smith

    People like you are such a tiny fraction of the population that it doesn’t matter.
     
    ROFLMAO. People who are a "tiny fraction" of the population typically have enormous influence over the rest. And the economy. And the government. And the society. And the future of development.

    “People who are a “tiny fraction” of the population typically have enormous influence over the rest.”

    True, but I was not talking about the ruling class, I was talking about YOU GUYS. You guys are a tiny fraction with zero influence, hence irrelevant to the forces shaping our future. Tell me how many people in seats of power give two shits about your white nationalistic ideas, or your hand-wringing about the Rising Tide of Color Against White World-Supremacy, or any of your other bullshit. Answer: zero. Dead zero. They don’t care.

    What I say would be true even IF, say, Marine LePen had been elected. So what if she HAD been elected? BFD. A scared right-wing mob in France somehow manages to eke-out an electoral victory. BFD.

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    True, but I was not talking about the ruling class, I was talking about YOU GUYS. You guys are a tiny fraction with zero influence, hence irrelevant to the forces shaping our future. Tell me how many people in seats of power give two shits about your white nationalistic ideas, or your hand-wringing about the Rising Tide of Color Against White World-Supremacy, or any of your other bullshit.
     
    Well, that is amusing. I'm usually being excoriated as a goddamn liberal who wants to destroy America. Such a refreshing change of pace.

    Anyway, I kinda get the feeling nobody's gonna tell you anything, since you know just about everything there is to know already.

    On the other topic -- birthrates -- I was going to provide some contrasting information. But, you probably know it to be all wrong, so I'll just move on. Have a nice day.
    , @Diversity Heretic
    For while the tired waves, vainly breaking,
    Seem here no painful inch to gain,
    Far back, through creeks and inlets making,
    Comes silent, flooding in, the main.

    And not by eastern windows only,
    When daylight comes, comes in the light;
    In front the sun climbs slow, how slowly!
    But westward, look, the land is bright!

    I didn't write the poem, John Derbyshire cited it; it's the last two stanzas of it. There are forces rising that may make a very BFD indeed. Edifices that look impregnable may be built on very weak foundations and be swept aside.
  207. @alan2102
    dc, here is what you wrote: “Africans voting with their feet, fleeing to places run by former colonial powers, is a heck of a lot more honest than claims that Africa is The Place To Be, and if not for whitey, would be On Top of Everyone Else.

    Hence, the CLAIMS in question are that "Africa is the place to be, if not for whitey", etc.

    I responded: "And who is making those “claims”, hmmm?"

    Get it? Do you have a reply?

    "The world will go its own way, and I’m just a passenger."

    DITTO!

    The world will indeed go its own way, and it sure as hell won't be the way that you want it to go. It won't be 100% the way I want it to go, either, but on balance, it'll be much more my way than yours. Africa WILL be developed, it WILL be modernized, industrialized, urbanized. Per capita GDPs WILL ascend, incrementally, over decades. They WILL have their demographic transition. None of this will happen fast enough to suit me, but it will happen. Your racialized interpretation of things is hopelessly ignorant. You've never studied the causes of e.g. the decline of Detroit, and hence you haven't a clue. That's cool. It really doesn't matter. People like you are such a tiny fraction of the population that it doesn't matter.

    You misunderstand my views.

    I look at the last 50 and 150 years as a trend. I believe that trend is at apogee. It doesn’t matter what I like or don’t like about it.

    I figure Africa is more likely to be conquered by restive Chinese than leap from near barbarism into modernity. Heck, Russia couldn’t make a fraction of that jump in the early 20th century, and that cost ten million or more people their lives.

    We’ll have to agree that our views conflict. Fortunately, reality could care less about that.

    For a taste of what I follow, try this article. It’s a little dated, but I assure you that the author dispassionately applies his lens to the “fashionability” of eugenics. Given that his forecast is for a very large degree “fourth wave” to occur when this manic rally ends, my guess is that eugenics is going to be VERY fashionable indeed.
    http://www.socionomics.net/2009/11/a-socionomic-study-of-eugenics-will-you-make-the-cut/

    And yes, I figure I’ll make the cut. (grin)

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    "You misunderstand my views."

    Well, you are always welcome to explain them in more simple language so that even a dummy like me can understand them.

    "I figure Africa is more likely to be conquered by restive Chinese than leap from near barbarism into modernity."

    "Conquer" is certainly NOT the word for what the Chinese are doing in Africa, there is no doubt about that. The Chinese are of course in it for themselves but, significantly, they are not in it ONLY for themselves; they get it about win-win. That's why they are spending stupendous sums on infrastructure projects that will benefit large non-Chinese populations across the entire Eurasian continent, and extending into Africa as well, eventually.

    "Heck, Russia couldn’t make a fraction of that jump in the early 20th century"

    Are you joking? They most certainly DID make that jump, rising from feudal misery to advanced industrial modernity in a couple of generations -- with all statistics to match (GDP growth, life expectancy increase, etc., etc.). And, amazingly, they did that while, for a time, fighting one of the bloodiest and most ruinous wars of all history. China's accomplishment was similar, though without having to fight WWII.

    "and that cost ten million or more people their lives."

    Do tell. Perhaps you should investigate further. Scholars who have actually dug into the Soviet archives, after they were opened, have come up with very different stories.

    Thanks for the socionomics.net link. Interesting short teaser. I don't know what to make of Elliott wave theory. I gave up on it after Prechter's repeated predictions of the Dow crashing to 1000, and gold to $200, failed. Should I take another look?
    , @alan2102
    Well, the unz spam filter has an obsession with my post in response to yours. I gave up. But I did post my reply HERE: http://textuploader.com/d9hpv
    , @alan2102
    dc.sunsets: "I figure Africa is more likely to be conquered by restive Chinese than leap from near barbarism into modernity."

    "Conquer" is certainly NOT the word for what the Chinese are doing in Africa. It is not a dominator relationship; it is a collegial, partnership relationship. The Chinese are of course in it for themselves but, significantly, they are not in it ONLY for themselves; they understand, unlike the West, about win-win. That's why they are spending stupendous sums on infrastructure projects that will benefit large non-Chinese populations across the entire Eurasian continent, and extending into Africa as well. Indeed, that will benefit the entire planet and everyone on it, e.g. the global UHV grid -- the "energy internet", ETA mid-century. They are doing these things because they think broadly and globally and consider themselves, primarily, HUMANS -- in contrast to the style of thought of narrow-minded, ethnocentric nationalists. Surely they have some degree of residual racial/ethnic feeling, like most people -- a degree of pride in China's rich cultural history and accomplishments, etc. -- but such feelings are by far subsidiary to their global consciousness and lived initiative, which transcends the petty details of race and ethnicity. They are certainly not wasting their time, like Steve Sailorboy, waving in the air a chart showing big African population growth and yelling "oh my GOD! this is YUGE!" Why should they? That would be fucking stupid, and one notable thing about the Chinese -- in contrast to so many Westerners -- is that they are not stupid.

    No, instead they are busily building out the One Belt One Road initiative -- a vast, super-ambitious, futuristic network of high-speed rail and related critical infrastructure connecting the entire Eurasian (and, later, African) continent, opening up heretofore retarded backwaters (and their huge populations) for development and uplift into the modern world. That, along with a dozen other super-ambitious, futuristic projects. They are doing this because they are very smart, pragmatic, optimistic and bold big-thinkers, deeply committed to global development, and they are creating a dazzling new world. Everything that I just said gets proven and re-proven with each 5-year plan fulfilled, and fulfilled usually above and beyond projections. They are succeeding, and will succeed, providing we don't blow ourselves up (nuclear war), and providing climate change is not too catastrophic.

    The Chinese leadership has its sites set on global development and the uplift of the entire human family -- a much bigger and vastly grander vision than the petty, inconsequential bullshit that preoccupies the narrow, sclerotic minds of nationalists.

    In Africa, to give just a couple of examples, they have already financed and built a $4 billion railway from Djibouti to Addis Ababa (Africa's first transnational electric railway), and a new railway between Nairobi and Mombasa -- a line that will eventually reach Uganda, Rwanda, and the DRC.

    The future is being created by the BRICS, and specifically by the Chinese, and it has nothing to do with "conquering".

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    http://www.inpraiseofchina.com/
    Godfree Roberts' excellent blog about China

    http://www.inpraiseofchina.com/2015/12/chinas-foreign-aid.html
    "even though Chinese are relatively poor they've lent a trillion dollars to people poorer than themselves. Instead of allowing that money to seep into the pockets of the recipient governments, they built railroads and ports and highways and hospitals. That benefit has become so obvious that the world's leading authority on African FDI, Dambisa Moyo...says that Chinese foreign aid has done more good for Africa in the past ten years than Western foreign aid in a hundred. That's a 10x improvement."

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/06/27/target-china-by-f-william-engdahl/
    Engdahl: "Not only has China established good relations with many African nations but they have offered an alternative to the slavery imposed by the IMF and the World Bank."

    http://www.chinaafricarealstory.com/
    Professor Deborah Brautigam's excellent blog and books on China's aid in Africa.
  208. @alan2102
    "People who are a “tiny fraction” of the population typically have enormous influence over the rest."

    True, but I was not talking about the ruling class, I was talking about YOU GUYS. You guys are a tiny fraction with zero influence, hence irrelevant to the forces shaping our future. Tell me how many people in seats of power give two shits about your white nationalistic ideas, or your hand-wringing about the Rising Tide of Color Against White World-Supremacy, or any of your other bullshit. Answer: zero. Dead zero. They don't care.

    What I say would be true even IF, say, Marine LePen had been elected. So what if she HAD been elected? BFD. A scared right-wing mob in France somehow manages to eke-out an electoral victory. BFD.

    True, but I was not talking about the ruling class, I was talking about YOU GUYS. You guys are a tiny fraction with zero influence, hence irrelevant to the forces shaping our future. Tell me how many people in seats of power give two shits about your white nationalistic ideas, or your hand-wringing about the Rising Tide of Color Against White World-Supremacy, or any of your other bullshit.

    Well, that is amusing. I’m usually being excoriated as a goddamn liberal who wants to destroy America. Such a refreshing change of pace.

    Anyway, I kinda get the feeling nobody’s gonna tell you anything, since you know just about everything there is to know already.

    On the other topic — birthrates — I was going to provide some contrasting information. But, you probably know it to be all wrong, so I’ll just move on. Have a nice day.

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