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The April 23 first round of the presidential election in France came with a human-interest sidebar. Emmanuel Macron, the Establishment stalking horse who placed first under the banner of a party that he himself created out of whole cloth last year, is 39 years old. His wife just turned 64. She was his high-school teacher of French literature. They were an item back then, when he was 17 and she was 42. She has three kids by a previous marriage.

Would this even be legal in the U.S? Nevertheless, my personal position on this is: Jolly good luck to both of them. My view, heartfelt and frequently stated, is that love is a precious gift, to be cherished and celebrated wherever it may be found.

In my study, there hang portraits of my two literary heroes. One of them, Samuel Johnson, at age 25 married a woman twenty years his senior—a widow who, like Mrs. Macron, brought three children to the marriage. Johnson loved his wife dearly, to the bafflement of his friends. After she died seventeen years later, he mourned her for the rest of his own life.

My other literary hero, George Orwell, lost his wife Eileen after nine years of marriage, then remarried on his death bed to the prettiest girl in the office.

So don’t look to me to second-guess Mr. Macron’s choice of wife—nor anyone else’s. I say again: Good luck to them.

My objection is what the Macrons of the world are dong to France—and to America and to Western civilization in general.

Marine Le Pen polled second. Her National Front party has been around for 45 years, but until recently dwelt on the electoral fringes. It’s as if voters in a U.S. presidential election were to say “No” to both the Republican and the Democrat candidates. (Although, come to think of it, it’s not too much of a stretch to construe last November’s U.S. election like that.) Conventional wisdom says that people who voted for the other nine candidates will mostly swing behind Mr. Macron in the runoff election May 7th—although. after last year, conventional wisdom has lost some of its sheen.

If you’re not actually French, this election is all a bit distant and academic. But In fact there are penetrating things to say about it, of direct relevance to the United States, and to the Western World as a whole.

I know this because I read Christopher Caldwell‘s brilliant article in the Spring issue of City Journal: “The French, Coming Apart.” It’s a rumination on the ideas of French sociologist and real-estate expert Christophe Guilluy, who has written three books about French society, none of them yet translated into English.

comingapart Guilluy is a sort of French Charles Murray. He writes about the great social separation of our time, the “coming apart” in the titles both of Caldwell’s piece and Charles Murray’s last book.

The urban elites in France’s dozen or so big cities, says Guilluy, have pulled away from the native French working- and middle-classes. Gentry and native Proles are now far apart, with nothing much to say to each other.

The big urban housing projects, built by socialist governments in the mid-20th century for native French workers, are now full of Muslims. Native Proles have pretty much been purged from these successful, globalized cities, leaving them to educated Gentry symbol-manipulators, media and finance types, restaurateurs—and underclass Arabs.

Caldwell is terrifically quotable:

Guilluy describes twenty-first-century France as “an ‘American’ society like any other, unequal and multicultural.” It’s a controversial premise—that inequality and racial diversity are linked as part of the same (American-type) system and that they progress or decline together. Though this premise has been confirmed in much of the West for half a century, the assertion will shock many Americans, conditioned to place “inequality” (bad) and “diversity” (good) at opposite poles of a Manichean moral order.

Second quote:

As Paris has become not just the richest city in France but the richest city in the history of France, its residents have come to describe their politics as “on the Left”—a judgment that tomorrow’s historians might dispute. Most often, Parisians mean what Guilluy calls la gauche hashtag, or what we might call the “glass-ceiling Left,” preoccupied with redistribution among, not from, elites: we may have done nothing for the poor, but we did appoint the first disabled lesbian parking commissioner.

Third quote:

In France, Political Correctness is more than a ridiculous set of opinions; it’s also—and primarily—a tool of government coercion … It determines the current polarity in French politics. Where you stand depends largely on whether you believe that antiracism is a sincere response to a genuine upsurge of public hatred or an opportunistic posture for elites seeking to justify their rule.

Last quote:

As the prospect of rising in the world is hampered or extinguished, the inducements to ideological conformism weaken. Dissent appears. Political Correctness grows more draconian. Finally the ruling class reaches a dangerous stage, in which it begins to lose not only its legitimacy but also a sense of what its legitimacy rested on in the first place.

I don’t think I need to point out how relevant all that is to us here in the U.S.A. Like the French and the British, our society has separated out into two big classes—Gentry and Proles, Eloi and Morlocks—who dislike each other and talk past each other.

The Gentry control the culture, on which they impose a rigid ideological conformism—although our constitutional guarantees of freedom of speech and assembly are still, just barely, operative, which is not the case in France. (See French Mayor Fined for Mentioning Demographic Changes in Local Schools, )

The Gentry also control the economy. This allows them to further marginalize the despised native Proles by replacing them with cheaper immigrants.

The populist surge we’ve been seeing in America and France is a reaction to all this.

There are similarities and differences between the two countries, though.

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What is the same is that, as Charles Murray has so thoroughly chronicled, the Gentry are above all a cognitive elite. They are smarter than Proles. That makes it easier for them to maintain control. They can bamboozle and outfox the Proles. It’s an unequal contest.

What is different is, first, those constitutional constraints. Although now under severe stress, those constraints have held up better here than in France, where, Caldwell tells us, laws criminalizing heretical speech were passed as long ago as 1972.

And then there is America’s long experience of having a big subpopulation of blacks.

Gentry ideologues insist, very strenuously, that there are no group differences between blacks and nonblacks that can’t be erased by this social program or that one.

However, decades of such programs with little to show by way of results leave more and more American Proles wondering whether, perhaps, to re-quote Christopher Caldwell,

antiracism is a sincere response to a genuine upsurge of public hatred or an opportunistic posture for elites seeking to justify their rule.

The ideological grip of the Gentry is much firmer in France than here. Possibly also the old medieval spirit of feudal deference somehow survived the best efforts of Danton and Robespierre.

My guess, which may be wrong—see French Scientist Who Predicted Trump and Brexit Says the Maths Adds up for a Le Pen Victory, Breitbart, April 28, 2017—is that these factors will be sufficient to make Mr. Macron the next President of France. That’s good news for him, but bad news for France—and for Western civilization.

It means the present malign trends will continue. Those globalized cities will become more glittering and expensive. Their inner suburbs will become more solidly Muslim. Native French Proles will simmer impotently in what Guilluy calls “the periphery,” easing their psychic pain with opiates.

And the frog will continue to boil; or, as they say over there, la grenouille continue à bouillir.

John Derbyshire [email him] writes an incredible amount on all sorts of subjects for all kinds of outlets. (This no longer includes National Review, whose editors had some kind of tantrum and fired him. ) He is the author of We Are Doomed: Reclaiming Conservative Pessimism and several other books. He’s had two books published by VDARE.com: FROM THE DISSIDENT RIGHT (also available in Kindle) and From the Dissident Right II: Essays 2013. His writings are archived at JohnDerbyshire.com.

(Republished from VDare by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Clyde says:

    Mohamed’s first wife was older than him and wealthy.
    At age 25, Muhammad wed his wealthy employer, the 40-year-old merchant Khadija. This marriage, his first, would be both happy and monogamous; Muhammad would rely on Khadija in many ways, until her death 25 years later.[9][10] They had two sons

    Mohammad had eleven wives. Perhaps some at the some time, I did not look further into the wikipedia entry.
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    Native Proles have pretty much been purged from these successful, globalized cities, leaving them to educated Gentry symbol-manipulators, media and finance types, restaurateurs—and underclass Arabs.

    African blacks too

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    The fact that Khadijah al Kubra (a divorced, successful businesswoman) is considered the Mother of the Ummah, and that it is well known that after the Prophet Muhammad sa allah wa alayhi wa salaam received his first revelation he went home to her and said "Cover me, I'm scared" should put the rest this nonsense that we hate strong women, believe women should be slaves and disregard love between man and woman.


    I'm proud to have that history as part of my religious heritage.
    , @Holden Caulfield
    Mohamed was also a pedophile, so why should we care what he thinks.
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  2. The pics of the wife are amusing. God love the old gal,but she has SO many lines and wrinkles!

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  3. At least she’s not Asian (like Derbyshire’s Chinese woman) or black.

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    • Replies: @Clyde
    How many times have you got on The Derb's case here for having a Chinese wife? Sad ! ! ! Should he get divorced to satisfy your notions of racial purity?
    , @Ace
    Give it a rest.
    , @jim jones
    There are plenty of Chinese girls at the local University and I have to say I find them very attractive. I particularly like the way they gaze adoringly at their boyfriends.
    , @Anon
    Sounds like she lost her male to a prettier Asian girl. Sorry for your loss, jealousy isn't the way forward, weight loss is.
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  4. Realist says:

    “What is the same is that, as Charles Murray has so thoroughly chronicled, the Gentry are above all a cognitive elite. They are smarter than Proles. That makes it easier for them to maintain control. They can bamboozle and outfox the Proles. It’s an unequal contest.”

    That’s what the French Gentry thought before the Revolution and the guillotine. If this were true there would be no backlash against the Gentry.
    There is a cognitive elite that are not of the Gentry class. They are at least as smart as the Gentry, just not unscrupulous.

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    That’s what the French Gentry thought before the Revolution and the guillotine. If this were true there would be no backlash against the Gentry.
     
    The big difference is that back then, the Jews were on the side of the Revolution. Today, they are part of the ruling elite. The word Gentry, which suggests a rural, land owning elite, should not be used to describe today's urban elite. A true gentry would have a lot in common with the native peasantry.
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  5. Macron doesn’t just like older women, he’s also keen on aging economic policies. He’s pushing Blair\Clinton era free trade, when even the IMF is having second thoughts about it:

    https://www.ft.com/content/fd2980e6-2789-11e7-8995-c35d0a61e61a

    I can see this being a total failure. The French won’t accept what he’s pushing, yet the French economy really does need some type of stimulus. France will be in a real mess come next election.

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  6. Revised article minus prolix Derb.
    “Macron’s Unusual Marriage Is NOT ok”.

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    • Replies: @Clyde

    Revised article minus prolix Derb.
    “Macron’s Unusual Marriage Is NOT ok”.
     
    It's plain weird and shows a personality and character defect. If such a person was a co-worker I would feel funny whenever I had to talk to him. A few well known actors married older with the gap being 7-10 years but this clown's (Maricon) age gap is enormous. Mama mia! Mama mia! Mama mia!
    , @Ace
    Did you read the article? Just curious.
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  7. neutral says:

    Sorry but there is something very wrong with Macron and his wife. At a very basic instinctive level most know how freakish this is. It requires no further explanation, his relationship is strange across all societies across all time, its biologically aberrant. I suppose though that under the current climate where people like Bruce Jenner are declared beautiful women this makes sense in this new twisted world though.

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    • Replies: @Avery
    {At a very basic instinctive level most know how freakish this is.}

    Agree.
    , @Corvinus
    "Sorry but there is something very wrong with Macron and his wife. At a very basic instinctive level most know how freakish this is."

    Actually, most people don't view it in the manner you do.

    , @jacques sheete
    If people only had a tiny clue about the utter freakishness of those who aspire to power, most wouldn't believe it and few could grasp it.

    The saddest thing is that most people put great amounts of faith in freaks like the above and the rest who routinely infest positions of power.

    See my comment, #26. Nicholson knew, intimately (!), of what he was speaking.
    , @lavoisier
    Unusual yes. Freakish: No.
    , @Skeptikal
    The longer they are married, the closer they get in age . . .
    That is, the ratio of 17 to 42 is a lot different from 39 to 64. Macron is slowly catching up. I can understand that a horny 17-year-old doesn't really care how he gets to have some sex, and the tradition of young men being "tutored" in the art of love is very venerable in France.

    The big question to me is what a 42-year-old sees in a 17-year-old as a life partner---he is like a son. And when she is his teacher (not the love tutor type of teacher), there is something else wrong with the situation. An adult has a great deal of psychological power over a teenager. That is increased when the adult has the authority of a teacher. Who do you think made the first move here?

    Something wrong with this. I have had correspondence with a woman in France who takes issue with criticism of Mme Macron--"She is very competent." But since she has in some sense been pushed forward along with him, she is fair game for criticism. As a couple they are fair game.

    And it is quite possible that they are a "lavender" couple and she married him to provide a social figleaf for him---possibly also for herself. Why no children? Nothing wrong with being gay, but if that is the case, there is something wrong with the subterfuge.

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  8. Renoman says:

    Boy George thinks he’s gay. I would think Boy is an authority on this.

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  9. Ivan says:

    The mysterious French elite, seamed and marinated with Jewish concerns and ideas. I believe that is the elephant you would rather avoid mentioning. Whenever Jews or philo-Semites set the tone for national politics it is a certainty that absurdities such as the one Macron is propagating between “nationalists” and “patriots” will cloud perception and stymie every action.

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  10. berserker says:

    “Would this even be legal in the U.S? ”
    - Why is this even a question? He is not American. The very fact that there is variance in ages of consent across the world should tell us something. But Americans being self-righteous bullies like to think they have it all figured out and the rest of the world does not exist. “18, 18″ they scream. Why not 25 or 40? I am all for it; at least for Americans.

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  11. Clyde says:
    @Paul Walker - Most beautiful man ever...
    Revised article minus prolix Derb.
    "Macron’s Unusual Marriage Is NOT ok".

    Revised article minus prolix Derb.
    “Macron’s Unusual Marriage Is NOT ok”.

    It’s plain weird and shows a personality and character defect. If such a person was a co-worker I would feel funny whenever I had to talk to him. A few well known actors married older with the gap being 7-10 years but this clown’s (Maricon) age gap is enormous. Mama mia! Mama mia! Mama mia!

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  12. Avery says:
    @neutral
    Sorry but there is something very wrong with Macron and his wife. At a very basic instinctive level most know how freakish this is. It requires no further explanation, his relationship is strange across all societies across all time, its biologically aberrant. I suppose though that under the current climate where people like Bruce Jenner are declared beautiful women this makes sense in this new twisted world though.

    {At a very basic instinctive level most know how freakish this is.}

    Agree.

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  13. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    “Conventional wisdom says that people who voted for the other nine candidates will mostly swing behind Mr. Macron in the runoff election May 7th—although. after last year, conventional wisdom has lost some of its sheen.”

    And for the same reasons that I was skeptical of the conventional wisdom for the American election, I’m skeptical of the conventional wisdom for the French election. If indeed heretical views are punished even more harshly there, it would suggest that there will be an even stronger ‘Bradley effect’ where voters may claim to be uncertain of whom they will vote for (or may even claim to support Macron) but will, at the voting booth, choose Le Pen.

    The French have even more reason than we in the US do, to go ‘far right’. The tidal wave of Muslims has been even more rapid and destructive in Europe than the tidal wave from Mexico has been to us here.

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  14. They were an item back then, when he was 17 and she was 42. She has three kids by a previous marriage.

    Two points: first, the relationship (presumably platonic at first) began when he was 15: second, her “previous” marriage only became previous because of Macron, it was not as if she was a “free agent” like Dr. Johnson’s widow. I am certainly not one to make moral judgments about such things, but you will have to admit this puts a somewhat different perspective on it.

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  15. Sean says:

    A 15 year old Macron (displaying his large Gallic hooter) kissing his future wife, the now 7 times grandmother HERE. Macron does not have any biological children with his good lady, who happens to be a heiress. She obviously shagged him; sorry, met him, when he was not yet 16 years old– she was his drama teacher (Why is it always drama and music teachers who get jiggy with their pupils?). Anyway, given the lack of kids, unlike any other other pres of the country he surely will not be having affairs with beautiful actresses, and the rumors of Macron’s homosexuality are likely true (not that queerness tells us anything decisive about a man’s suitability to lead his country).

    Native Proles have been purged in favour of Poles.The Euro-communist (Italian and Parti communiste français) theoreticians long ago identified immigration as a transparent attempt to create a larger reserve army of unemployed workers to keep the price of labour down. The EU is about the slowest growing area in the world, (youth unemployment 25 per cent in France, 40 per cent in Italy and Spain).

    BBC:French National Front: Far right or hard left? Roger Denis, a 41-year-old haulier from the eastern city of Nancy, feels his job is threatened. “My company uses a lot of Polish drivers,” he says. “I have nothing against them, but they are working for 800 euros a month (£650; $1,100). They have Polish number plates, but of course they work in France.” Patrick Cathala is in an even more precarious position. Five years ago he lost his construction job, and he too regards himself as a victim of Europe’s open-border policies. “I’m unemployed because firms prefer to hire workers from Romania, Bulgaria, Portugal or Spain. They’re letting all those people in. What am I supposed to do?”

    According to the EU, those Poles ect taking jobs in France are not immigrants because their homeland is in the EU. Marine LePen absolutely has to be against free movement within the EU, which amounts to being against the whole thing. Germany and southern/eastern European governments and people love the EU, the masses in Italy and France increasingly hate it.

    But the EU is the only way out for the French elite (at its core, bankers), The succession of unelected technocrat governments in Italy presaged Marcon . Italy has had no rise in living standard since 2000. ITALY WILL quit the eurozone if the standard of living does not improve, the head of Germany’s Institute for Economic Research said (Jan 2017).

    France is part of the eurozone, and a win for Le Pen might have cast doubt on the future of the single currency project. This may explain why markets rallied strongly all across the eurozone. Indeed, stocks in Italy rose even more sharply than in France, as Italy has been widely viewed as a potential domino if the euro should start to unravel. (10-year bonds offer considerably higher yields than German, French and Dutch bonds, and even higher yields than Spanish bonds.

    Italy has a massive public debt -third largest in the world

    Who owns this debt?

    http://wolfstreet.com/2016/07/10/contagion-from-italian-banking-meltdown-apart-french-german-banks/
    As Die Welt reports, the total exposure of French banks to Italian debt exceeds €250 billion. That’s triple the amount of exposure of the second most exposed European nation, Germany, whose banks hold €83.2 billion worth of Italian bonds.

    http://www.politico.eu/article/emmanuel-macron-plan-win-germany-france-election-2017/
    Assuming eurozone populations sign off on a tighter union, Macron could turn to the bigger task of proposing a eurozone budget, parliament and finance minister.

    According to Thilo Sarrazin, French banks need the tighter union EU (German taxpayer) financial backstop for the bad loans. If Italy leaves the EU and explicitly welshes on the loans by French banks, France will financially implode. Macron (who the germans love) is being brought in to get the tighter union though with the French people. The German establishment long for Germany being cocooned safely in a tighter European union single economic area for export and geopoltical reasons, so to pay off the french the poor German taxpayer will get their orders, which will be obeyed without question.

    Brexit was mainly an anti EU immigration vote. It is the Poles ect who are really hurting her LePen’s supporters and she needs to advocate leaving the EU to stand any chance of getting elected. A LePen win will raise a real prospect of France being bankrupted. I think the only realistic solution would be waiting till she wins, then immediately announcing that France will definitively not be leaving the EU, and is willing to accept an even closer union. France could cut right down on immigration from outside the EU, but it would have to accept the Poles ect.

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    A country never bankrupts.
    It just runs into financial difficulties.

    Before Greece got the euro, the country some five times was unable to meet its obligations, any time it resurrected itself.
    France als has, like all S European countries, a long history of financial difficulties, devalaluations, and currency reorganisations.

    France never really accepted the euro, any French supermarket has double prices, in francs and in euros.
    Old French even today call the last franc 'the new franc', the old one was converted, 100 old became one 'nouveau franc'.

    As the German sociologist Seeckt states 'the EU problem is that the N states say aganst the S states "become like us"'.
    He did not mention the other problem, the western states saying to the eastern ones also 'become like us'.

    But indeed, it will not be easy to unravel the euro, and re introduce the old currencies, technically it is possible, but the financial world will strongly object.
    They do not want to lose their present liberty to do whatever they want, no control from anyone.

    , @englishmike
    Brexit was mainly an anti EU immigration vote.

    Brexit was a referendum on whether we wanted to "leave" or to "remain in" the EU. Call me a boring literalist, but I answered the question on the ballot paper. No-one asked my opinion on immigration.
    , @Bill

    not that queerness tells us anything decisive about a man’s suitability to lead his country
     
    Of course not. It's not like homosexuality is correlated with other mental illnesses and character defects.
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  16. Ximenes says:
    @Realist
    "What is the same is that, as Charles Murray has so thoroughly chronicled, the Gentry are above all a cognitive elite. They are smarter than Proles. That makes it easier for them to maintain control. They can bamboozle and outfox the Proles. It’s an unequal contest."

    That's what the French Gentry thought before the Revolution and the guillotine. If this were true there would be no backlash against the Gentry.
    There is a cognitive elite that are not of the Gentry class. They are at least as smart as the Gentry, just not unscrupulous.

    That’s what the French Gentry thought before the Revolution and the guillotine. If this were true there would be no backlash against the Gentry.

    The big difference is that back then, the Jews were on the side of the Revolution. Today, they are part of the ruling elite. The word Gentry, which suggests a rural, land owning elite, should not be used to describe today’s urban elite. A true gentry would have a lot in common with the native peasantry.

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    The word Gentry, which suggests a rural, land owning elite, should not be used to describe today’s urban elite. A true gentry would have a lot in common with the native peasantry.

     

    And the gentry were the officer class who were expected (and did) lead from the front in battle (and take disproportionate casualties). The "Guardian" role was the historic rationale for their elite status.
    , @Realist
    "The word Gentry, which suggests a rural, land owning elite, should not be used to describe today’s urban elite. A true gentry would have a lot in common with the native peasantry."

    I agree. But dividing our population into prole and gentry, as Derbyshire did, is too simplistic.
    The gentry by no means run this country that is left to the wealthy and the throne sniffers they employ to control the proles and gentry.
    Charles Murray had an agenda which influenced, many of, the conclusions he reached.
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  17. I think Orwell married on his deathbed so as to bequeath his literary estate to Sonia (Brownell) Orwell who seems to have been a bit of a literary groupie, and the character of Julia in Nineteen Eighty-Four may have been based on her. Of course, Orwell knew he was gravely ill with TB, but he died a bit sooner than he expected. What she expected, we don’t know. Anyway, I am sure she cheered him up in his last days.

    Orwell’s first wife died while undergoing surgery (probably for fibroid tumours) while he was working as a reporter overseas. At the time the cost of blood transfusions was very high, and he was poor, and corners may have been cut. Hard to know if Orwell felt guilt for her early death. At the time, around World War II many people died early (including my grandmother who died from TB like Orwell, when she was still in her 20′s) and it was not the done thing to exhibit too much grief. Stiff upper lip, and all that.

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    Didn't Orwell also marry Sonia to provide his ( adopted ) son a ( step ) mother ?

    Of course that was never her thing and the boy was raised by Orwell's sister's family ( with I think little if any financial contribution from the Orwell estate )
    , @PiltdownMan
    Here's another picture of Sonia Orwell née Brownell. She was good looking.

    https://writingasiplease.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/sonia-brownell.jpg

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  18. JackOH says:

    Back in the 1990s I dated a woman some ten years my senior. Gladys was a good woman—but for someone else. I got out.

    In my early 60s now, I’ve been a singleton for a while. I’m not much happy with that, but one of the really good compensations of age is a willingness to accept reality in the markets for romance. Plus, I’ve done a whole lot of good work locally that I’m mildly proud of and that likely I couldn’t have done if I’d been distracted by relationship management, at which, I guess, I’m pretty lousy.

    I, too, as one of the commenters above mentioned, am somewhat suspicious of men involved in unconventional relationships, such as very wide May-December gaps, but I’ll allow I can’t really know what’s in a man’s heart.

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    On May 7th, 2017, the French population will decide the long-term future of their country as they decide between Emmanuel Macron and Marine Le Pen in their Presidential election. What is the truth about Emmanuel Macron?

    April 27, 2017 Marine Le Pen Update

    That Marine Le Pen has gained sufficient electoral support to have pushed aside the two traditional French political parties and is one of two candidates for President of France on May 7 has Washington, the EU, and the French elite determined that she be defeated at all costs.

    http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/04/27/marine-le-pen-update/

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  20. Rich says:

    Come on, a 17 year old kid hooking up with his 42 year old teacher is pretty weird. It’s the kind of thing used to turn up in Penthouse letters, but then the boy moves on. He’s not supposed to move in with, then marry the old broad. Shows some kind of weakness of character, but that’s what we get in our leftist leaders nowadays.

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    At age 20 I was a geek-dude attending a school in California with its reputation based on STEM and a very adverse male-female ratio, I knew how to glide on one skating foot, going forwards or backwards without falling down because Mom took me to skating lessons when I was much younger, so I decided to enter the L.A. ice dance scene as an adult "to meet girls."

    Ice dance is this very narrow interest practiced by few people, but a large metropolitan area together with a good freeway system (back in the day before it became a perpetual parking lot) would bring people with that interest together. Think of the TV show "Dancing with the Stars" but on skates, and the ice dance scene is exactly like that in every respect from the politics of judging to the pairing of partners with widely different ability to people over the age of 14 who seem to think they can learn this to the gossip of who is straight and who is gay and who is paired up with whom off the ice.

    Being an engineer helps a person learn this very technical skill involving forces and balance rather quickly, and there were a couple other guys like me around, including a Math professor from 'S.C. who as a USFSA judge always gave me strong scores on my skating tests to progress from Preliminary to Bronze to Pre-Silver to Silver ranking.

    Anyway, there was a cohort of young women, some too young for me to be dating, who wanted to become the next Michelle Kwan or Linda Fratianne (one of the young women looked just like Linda Fratianne, and another young woman in LAFSC was Linda Fratianne). They wanted to be a Women's Freestyle champion, the sport with the jumps and the spins, America's next sweetheart, and Frank Carroll or whoever their coach told them to "learn ice dance to get better artistic expression."

    Then there was a cohort of considerably older women, who perhaps still entertained the fantasy of being the cute girl at the center of everyone's attention for their dramatic leaps and spins. They were active in ice dance because a strong enough male partner could make you look good and you didn't need to risk injury on the leaps and spins. My young-cohort partner my coach paired me with for skating tests and club ice dance competitions wouldn't speak a single word to me let along look at me as soon as we stepped off the ice. Am I making any of this up? My coach very well knew this, "Just skate with her, she is very strong, and the two of you look great."

    In contrast, the older-cohort women were very cordial and social with me -- maybe this "messed me up" in some way relating to the Presidential Candidate in France. Anyway, years later I was still taking ice dance lessons from a somewhat "straight-laced" Canadian Mormon skating coach in the Midwest. It was announced that a twenty-something young man who frequented the skating rink just got married to a forty-something woman skating coach. My coach's wife was a rival in vying for students with respect to the coach in question, and let's say a bunch of catty remarks got made.

    We were all nonplused about this. Hanging around the skating and especially ice dance world, I thought I had accurate "gay-dar", and this young man had the affect and mannerisms of an effeminate-styled gay person. I was forty-something myself at the time and single with a "reputation" for being a "gay blade" amongst the women at the rink of the hetero variety (not that there is anything wrong with that!). I told my coach, "Yeah, I can understand them having a relationship, but gee, you don't marry the girl!", which resulted in my coach giving me this long, Mormon morally disapproving "you are telling me that you have 'been there'" look.

    So this "hook-up" of the man who would be President of France that started out in Drama class? None of this is shocking to me, but gee, where were your parents in all of this, you don't marry the girl!

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  21. He writes about the great social separation of our time, the “coming apart” in the titles both of Caldwell’s piece and Charles Murray’s last book.

    Murray’s most recent book is By the People: Rebuilding Liberty Without Permission.

    http://www.aei.org/scholar/charles-murray/

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  22. geokat62 says:

    I don’t think I need to point out how relevant all that is to us here in the U.S.A. Like the French and the British, our society has separated out into two big classes—Gentry and Proles, Eloi and Morlocks—who dislike each other and talk past each other.

    I don’t agree. While the Gentry (or the few) are on the same page, the Proles (or the many) are not one cohesive class. They are deeply divided into two groups: those that have drunk the PC kool-aid (the pussy hatters) and those who haven’t (the deplorables). This is the great strength of the few. They managed to have successfully marched their PC ideology through Western institutions… and it will take a long time for Western societies to recover from the damage that has been inflicted upon them, if ever.

    And leading the way in the battle over cultural hegemony was the Frankfurt School, whose leading members fled Nazi Germany and set up shop in the US, one of whom went on to later write The Authoritarian Personality:

    The impetus of The Authoritarian Personality was the Holocaust, the attempted genocidal extinction of European Jews by Adolf Hitler’s National Socialist party. Adorno had been a member of the “Frankfurt School”, a predominantly Jewish group of philosophers and Marxist theorists who fled Germany when Hitler shut down their Institute for Social Research. Adorno et al. were thus motivated by a desire to identify and measure factors that were believed to contribute to antisemitic and fascist traits. The book was part of a “Studies in Prejudice” series sponsored by the American Jewish Committee’s Department of Scientific Research

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Authoritarian_Personality

    Here is one of many biting critiques of Adorno’s book:

    Some observers have criticized what they saw as a strongly politicized agenda to The Authoritarian Personality. Social critic Christopher Lasch argued that by equating mental health with left-wing politics and associating right-wing politics with an invented “authoritarian” pathology, the book’s goal was to eliminate antisemitism by “subjecting the American people to what amounted to collective psychotherapy—by treating them as inmates of an insane asylum.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Authoritarian_Personality

    So, to summarize, in the minds of these leading members of the FS and their sponsors, it was worth destroying the foundations of Western civilization (the family, the church, etc.) as long as it precluded the prospects of fascism (or their euphemism, “anti-democratic” forces) re-appearing on the shores of Europe or appearing on the shores of America, however remote those prospects might have been.

    I’ll put the same question to the other Dumb Goy out there that Lesley Stahl put to Madaline Albright (born Marie Jana Korbelová): Is the price worth it?

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  23. utu says:

    Guilluy is a sort of French Charles Murray.

    I doubt it. Is Guilluy racist? Was he on the payroll of DGSE all his adult life?

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    Clearly you haven't read Charles Murray and know nothing about him except what the evil left has whispered in your ear. You wouldn't know "racist" if it walked up to you and kicked you in the nuts, which come to think of it might be a pretty good idea, since it might go some way to clearing your head of nonsense.
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  24. Our Dutch Wilders is well known for his his Islam hatred.
    But he’s also anti EU.
    Therefore our CIDI, the Dutch equivalent of the USA organisation that any day searches the whole USA for anything that might be antisemitic, the Anti Defamation League, stated that Wilders, who lived some two of three years is Israel, is an antisemite.

    Jews fear nation states, maybe they’re right in this.
    Nevertheless, this makes the EU also a jewish project.

    In France one sees how, if Macron now is elected, for the third time in succession a jew becomes president, Sarkozy, Hollande, now Macron.
    Sarkozy is a catholic, but Israeli papers were jubilant, when he was elected ‘from an ancient Greek jewish dynasty’.
    On top of this Macron is a former Rothschildt banker

    The smear campaign against FN has always been that FN is antisemitic.
    The old Le Pen was always at odds with jews, why, I never understood.
    What he’s blamed for is just ‘that the gas chambers were just a footnote in history’, what is historically correct, there were far worse genocides, and ‘that the German occupation was relatively benign’, what also is historically correct.

    Right now Brussels is cross with Hungary.
    Hungary wants to throw out Soros’s university, in their eyes undermining Hungary.
    Verhofstadt now accuses Hungary of ‘liking the EU money, bur rejecting EU values’.
    Indeed, a EU value is destroying the existing European cultures, no doubt about it.
    Another EU value is called by Mélenchon ‘uberisation’, replacing jobs with some continuity with more or less medieval piece rates.

    So this seems to me what the Macron program is: further destroying France as a proud nation, changing Europe ito a USA clone, a society where being poor is the fault of the poor, and the rich can do whatever they want.

    The Macron problem now is that according to the first round of the elections, four out of ten French voters do not want the EU any more.
    There was FN on what is called far right, and Mélenchon at far left.
    They just differ on immigration, Mélenchon seems to be one of those socialists for whom socialists must care for anyone on this earth.

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  25. @Sean
    A 15 year old Macron (displaying his large Gallic hooter) kissing his future wife, the now 7 times grandmother HERE. Macron does not have any biological children with his good lady, who happens to be a heiress. She obviously shagged him; sorry, met him, when he was not yet 16 years old-- she was his drama teacher (Why is it always drama and music teachers who get jiggy with their pupils?). Anyway, given the lack of kids, unlike any other other pres of the country he surely will not be having affairs with beautiful actresses, and the rumors of Macron's homosexuality are likely true (not that queerness tells us anything decisive about a man's suitability to lead his country).

    Native Proles have been purged in favour of Poles.The Euro-communist (Italian and Parti communiste français) theoreticians long ago identified immigration as a transparent attempt to create a larger reserve army of unemployed workers to keep the price of labour down. The EU is about the slowest growing area in the world, (youth unemployment 25 per cent in France, 40 per cent in Italy and Spain).


    BBC:French National Front: Far right or hard left? Roger Denis, a 41-year-old haulier from the eastern city of Nancy, feels his job is threatened. “My company uses a lot of Polish drivers,” he says. “I have nothing against them, but they are working for 800 euros a month (£650; $1,100). They have Polish number plates, but of course they work in France.” Patrick Cathala is in an even more precarious position. Five years ago he lost his construction job, and he too regards himself as a victim of Europe’s open-border policies. “I’m unemployed because firms prefer to hire workers from Romania, Bulgaria, Portugal or Spain. They’re letting all those people in. What am I supposed to do?”
     
    According to the EU, those Poles ect taking jobs in France are not immigrants because their homeland is in the EU. Marine LePen absolutely has to be against free movement within the EU, which amounts to being against the whole thing. Germany and southern/eastern European governments and people love the EU, the masses in Italy and France increasingly hate it.

    But the EU is the only way out for the French elite (at its core, bankers), The succession of unelected technocrat governments in Italy presaged Marcon . Italy has had no rise in living standard since 2000. ITALY WILL quit the eurozone if the standard of living does not improve, the head of Germany's Institute for Economic Research said (Jan 2017).


    France is part of the eurozone, and a win for Le Pen might have cast doubt on the future of the single currency project. This may explain why markets rallied strongly all across the eurozone. Indeed, stocks in Italy rose even more sharply than in France, as Italy has been widely viewed as a potential domino if the euro should start to unravel. (10-year bonds offer considerably higher yields than German, French and Dutch bonds, and even higher yields than Spanish bonds.

    Italy has a massive public debt -third largest in the world
     

     
    Who owns this debt?

    http://wolfstreet.com/2016/07/10/contagion-from-italian-banking-meltdown-apart-french-german-banks/
    As Die Welt reports, the total exposure of French banks to Italian debt exceeds €250 billion. That’s triple the amount of exposure of the second most exposed European nation, Germany, whose banks hold €83.2 billion worth of Italian bonds.
     

    http://www.politico.eu/article/emmanuel-macron-plan-win-germany-france-election-2017/
    Assuming eurozone populations sign off on a tighter union, Macron could turn to the bigger task of proposing a eurozone budget, parliament and finance minister.
     
    According to Thilo Sarrazin, French banks need the tighter union EU (German taxpayer) financial backstop for the bad loans. If Italy leaves the EU and explicitly welshes on the loans by French banks, France will financially implode. Macron (who the germans love) is being brought in to get the tighter union though with the French people. The German establishment long for Germany being cocooned safely in a tighter European union single economic area for export and geopoltical reasons, so to pay off the french the poor German taxpayer will get their orders, which will be obeyed without question.

    Brexit was mainly an anti EU immigration vote. It is the Poles ect who are really hurting her LePen's supporters and she needs to advocate leaving the EU to stand any chance of getting elected. A LePen win will raise a real prospect of France being bankrupted. I think the only realistic solution would be waiting till she wins, then immediately announcing that France will definitively not be leaving the EU, and is willing to accept an even closer union. France could cut right down on immigration from outside the EU, but it would have to accept the Poles ect.

    A country never bankrupts.
    It just runs into financial difficulties.

    Before Greece got the euro, the country some five times was unable to meet its obligations, any time it resurrected itself.
    France als has, like all S European countries, a long history of financial difficulties, devalaluations, and currency reorganisations.

    France never really accepted the euro, any French supermarket has double prices, in francs and in euros.
    Old French even today call the last franc ‘the new franc’, the old one was converted, 100 old became one ‘nouveau franc’.

    As the German sociologist Seeckt states ‘the EU problem is that the N states say aganst the S states “become like us”‘.
    He did not mention the other problem, the western states saying to the eastern ones also ‘become like us’.

    But indeed, it will not be easy to unravel the euro, and re introduce the old currencies, technically it is possible, but the financial world will strongly object.
    They do not want to lose their present liberty to do whatever they want, no control from anyone.

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    Before Greece got the euro, the country some five times was unable to meet its obligations,
     
    Now the Greek elite gets the Germans to meet them, the other south European countries may well need the same. But Italy is not Greece, its's too big and the Italians are tired of almost two decades of stagnating living standards, while their girls migrate to freeze their tits off as topless waitresses in Germany (where sex work is advertised in government jobcentres).

    France never really accepted the euro
     
    France has never accepted that it it so lightweight a country that might the same restructuring (bail out) put as Greece, Portugal Spain and maybe even Italy could. France thinks it is the worlds most advanced country, all the while its objective is mutualisation of obligations, which is basically getting the german taxpayer to backstop the toxic debt Frech bankers got their institutions into with Italy

    Marcon, is a quid pro quo of the French elite with Germany, whereby he as the representative of France'sfinacial expertise convinces French masses to accept they should enter into a deeper union with the rest of the EU,for the good of all. The Paris sense the Italians are getting restive and they may be a Italian exit from the EU and refusal to pay the loans , which really would hurt affluent denizens of exclusive Paris and make them suffer, they'll create an impression of national doom closing in that will send the country into such a panic that in the countries minds catastrophic bankruptcy will indeed have arrived . Marcon's rise is an example of just what the elite can do along those lines. The Germans want Marcon and the profligate banks and very wealthy elite have no intention of putting national independence before the German taxpayer backstop.


    As the German sociologist Seeckt states ‘the EU problem is that the N states say aganst the S states “become like us”‘.

     

    In a single currency EU market, Germany will deindustrialise all Europe. German products are incomparable good, but expensive in the rest of Europe without a single currency The German taxpayer bail out of Greece ect to keep them in the EU and the single currency working are in effect gifts from ordinary Germans to German business for the purpose of export promotion.

    He did not mention the other problem, the western states saying to the eastern ones also ‘become like us’.
     
    If only they had an economy like ours they were like us the bloody Poles, Romanians ect would not be flooding into France and Britian (Brexit has altered nothing ) and keeping Frech and British workers out of real earning jobs. EU immigration is a big part of rising property prices and the EU immigrants are often taking the resultant construction trades jobs. They are building their own houses in effect. Plus they get to claim British child benefit at British rates in Britain re for their children back home in Poland.

    The masses in Franch and Britain don't want any more immigrating EU workers keeping wages low. Brexit was mainly due to this ,but it hasn't sunk into the flushed with victory free market ideologues of the leave campaign yet. the French working class will have an even harder time, because their elite s cannot countenance a withdrawal from the EU a la Brexit for the reasons mentioned above. assuming she wins the presidency Marine lePen may be able to get away with halting all non European immigration, but to do that (with only FN 2 MPs)she will need give something the establishment ned and I think that means she will have to agree not to withdraw France from the EU and the German money teat.

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  26. Despite the lessons of history, I find it astonishing and amusing that there are actually people who’d vote for such a piece of work, in expectation of some sort of deliverance from who knows what.

    However, I’m not going to get too excited over it either way since village idiots have, and always will be present. It takes village idiots to vote for them too. There is little new under the sun.

    The spiteful Clemenceau found a formula in praising “la noble candeur” of the American President,[Wilson]. All Frenchmen knew that “candeur” could be translated as candor but just as adequately as the simplicity of the village idiot…

    Harold Nicolson, a junior British diplomatic specialist, was appalled at the ignorance of the men who were remaking the map of the world. Wilson came airily into a room to learn about the Tyrol and Fiume. He asked about the dividing line between Fiume and Sushak. Ashak, Nicolson tactfully corrected-a suburb divided from Fiume by a mere rivulet. “This is called giving expert advice,” Nicolson remarks. “It is appalling that these ignorant and irresponsible men should be cutting (the map) to bits as if they were dividing a cake . . . The happiness of millions being decided that way . . . Their decisions are immoral and impracticable.”

    - George Morgenstern, The Professional Pandora, a review of Mr. Wilson’s War, by John Dos Passos
    Modern Age , Summer 1963, pp. 327-330

    http://www.unz.org/Pub/ModernAge-1963q3-00327

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    “Despite the lessons of history, I find it astonishing and amusing that there are actually people who’d vote for such a piece of work [Macron], in expectation of some sort of deliverance from who knows what.”

    “However, I’m not going to get too excited over it either way since village idiots have, and always will be present. It takes village idiots to vote for them too. There is little new under the sun.”


    Indeed, words of deep wisdom prefacing yet another irrelevant pasted quote. A Delphic specialty it seems. But, of course, you’re brimming “with the lessens of history.” Must be uncomfortable.

    Nonetheless, you’re quite the sage. A Solon of our time. At least as long as you can cut-and-paste quotes by long-dead scholars. A remarkable achievement! Make you feel wise?

    Tell us. Do “village idiots” know how to spell their own screen names “Jacues/Jacques”?

    PS. How’s your GED coming?
    PPS. Don’t forget to label me ‘troll’ - woiuldn’t want to mislead readers.
    , @Alden
    That quote is totally off topic.
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  27. rumors of Macron’s homosexuality are likely true (not that queerness tells us anything decisive about a man’s suitability to lead his country.

    Oh, I don’t know. A man who does not have his own biological children may well have a different perspective on the meaning of life, legal matters of human reproduction such as abortion rights and contraception, childcare provisions, education, single sex toilets, sex change surgery paid for by taxpayers, willingness to send soldiers to be killed, women’s rights, and so on.

    That is not to say that he is necessarily unsuitable for the top job. At least he will not have children distracting him, or asking him to bomb someone because they have seen pictures of dead children, and he will not have to stay home when his child wakes up sick on a schoolday, but questions need to be asked about his views on matters that pertain to families.

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    A British officer in WW2 remarked 'I can't tell you anything about DeGaulle except he has hips like a woman and a head like a pineapple'. DeGaulle's wife was 10 years younger, they married when he was 30 and had a two daughters one married a general the other was Downs Syndrome and died young. It was a tragedy to him no doubt but there seems something about him that makes the modest reproductive success (as far as I know he could have tried for three kids or more), not a coincidence.

    Still


    Wikepedia: In the context of the Cold War, de Gaulle initiated his "Politics of Grandeur", asserting that France as a major power should not rely on other countries, such as the US, for its national security and prosperity. To this end, de Gaulle pursued a policy of "national independence" which led him to withdraw from NATO's military integrated command and to launch an independent nuclear development program that made France the fourth nuclear power. He restored cordial Franco-German relations to create a European counterweight between the Anglo-American and Soviet spheres of influence. However, he opposed any development of a supranational Europe, favouring a Europe of sovereign nations. De Gaulle openly criticised the US intervention in Vietnam and the "exorbitant privilege" of the US dollar. In his later years, his support for an independent Quebec and his two vetoes against Britain's entry into the European Community generated considerable controversy
     
    I think he proved himself the greatest modern leader of France when he said he said the whole point of national policy was maintaining French Independence. DeGaulle was a man of the day before yesterday and the day after tomorrow as someone said. A leader of a country puts that first and that is the acid test, the only true one, of a person's suitability to be a leader. Marcon could be a traditionalist in a 9 kid marriage with a beautiful woman, without it making him one iota more suitable to lead his country. Fortunately there are indications Macron is a bungler.


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4438296/At-age-17-Emmanuel-told-d-marry-me.html

    Scroll down and take a look of the photo of Marcon and wife kissing at a rally to celebrate him getting into the next round. He has mashed his nose straight into hers so hard he looks like he is taking a right cross on the snout. You would think a mature man from a nation renowned for sensuality would have a better technique!

    , @Father O'Hara
    A closeted queerness does indicate some reason for suspicion! I don't share the Derb's tolerance on this point. Powerful homosexuals,it seems,do some crazy stuff.
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  28. Corvinus says:
    @neutral
    Sorry but there is something very wrong with Macron and his wife. At a very basic instinctive level most know how freakish this is. It requires no further explanation, his relationship is strange across all societies across all time, its biologically aberrant. I suppose though that under the current climate where people like Bruce Jenner are declared beautiful women this makes sense in this new twisted world though.

    “Sorry but there is something very wrong with Macron and his wife. At a very basic instinctive level most know how freakish this is.”

    Actually, most people don’t view it in the manner you do.

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    In your twisted world a man coming along with a wife 30 years older than him would have nobody give it a second thought... It is your world view that most people don't adhere to.
    , @Avery
    {Actually, most people don’t view it in the manner you do.}

    Really?
    How do you know?
    Did you personally survey 'most people'?
    Where were those 'most people': US, Europe, Asia,....?

    You don't know how 'most people' view it: you are just stating as fact something you have no way of knowing to be true or false.

    , @res

    Actually, most people don’t view it in the manner you do.
     
    Says Corvinus, the voice of the people.

    Exactly how do you know this?
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  29. “I’m unemployed because firms prefer to hire workers from Romania, Bulgaria, Portugal or Spain. They’re letting all those people in. What am I supposed to do?”

    If the unemployment stipend is sufficient, he should be able to go and live idyllically somewhere on the Mediterranean or Black Sea, sit in the sun, and sip wine. Of course if he has a family, it might not work out well.

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  30. Clyde says:
    @attilathehen
    At least she's not Asian (like Derbyshire's Chinese woman) or black.

    How many times have you got on The Derb’s case here for having a Chinese wife? Sad ! ! ! Should he get divorced to satisfy your notions of racial purity?

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    Should he get divorced to satisfy your notions of racial purity?
     
    There's no need to be facetious. I think you know full-well that nobody is telling Derb to get a divorce.

    The point here is to throw some light on this unusual character. How did an Englishman with a Chinese bride become one of the doyens of the American Dissident Right and Civic Nationalist schools? What are his motivations for being so? What is he even doing here amongst us? What does he really believe?

    I suspect that Derb's lifestyle reflects exactly what Civic Nationalism is really all about. Immigrants are okay as long as they're the right sort of immigrants. "Defending Western Civilization" means having a penchant for reading poetry and doing mathematical puzzles in your leisure hours. HBD is shallow Darwinian code-talk for "I want to live in a nice Whitopia without any spooks hanging around to disturb my quiet reading." All their thoughts about government and politics and law are only a fantasy projection about a world finally made for people like them---a world made safe for bookworms. In a similar way, all of Milo Greekname's flaming-gay, libertarian nonsense was a fantasy about a world made safe for dangerous faggots.

    I'm not having any of it. This is the best that the Dissident Right and the Alt-Lite can show for themselves, and it proves that they aren't realistic. As actual, real-world political processes that get results, they have no future. If you want to spend your life in unproductive, owlish ruminations over Kipling and bell curves, you may imagine yourself to be a fine defender of Western civilization, but this will come at the cost of accomplishing nothing. If you want to be effective, the only way to do that is to go "full fash."

    Civic Nationalism is an empty ideology. White Nationalism is strength in practice.

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  31. sb says:
    @Jonathan Mason
    I think Orwell married on his deathbed so as to bequeath his literary estate to Sonia (Brownell) Orwell who seems to have been a bit of a literary groupie, and the character of Julia in Nineteen Eighty-Four may have been based on her. Of course, Orwell knew he was gravely ill with TB, but he died a bit sooner than he expected. What she expected, we don't know. Anyway, I am sure she cheered him up in his last days.

    Orwell's first wife died while undergoing surgery (probably for fibroid tumours) while he was working as a reporter overseas. At the time the cost of blood transfusions was very high, and he was poor, and corners may have been cut. Hard to know if Orwell felt guilt for her early death. At the time, around World War II many people died early (including my grandmother who died from TB like Orwell, when she was still in her 20's) and it was not the done thing to exhibit too much grief. Stiff upper lip, and all that.

    Didn’t Orwell also marry Sonia to provide his ( adopted ) son a ( step ) mother ?

    Of course that was never her thing and the boy was raised by Orwell’s sister’s family ( with I think little if any financial contribution from the Orwell estate )

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  32. @neutral
    Sorry but there is something very wrong with Macron and his wife. At a very basic instinctive level most know how freakish this is. It requires no further explanation, his relationship is strange across all societies across all time, its biologically aberrant. I suppose though that under the current climate where people like Bruce Jenner are declared beautiful women this makes sense in this new twisted world though.

    If people only had a tiny clue about the utter freakishness of those who aspire to power, most wouldn’t believe it and few could grasp it.

    The saddest thing is that most people put great amounts of faith in freaks like the above and the rest who routinely infest positions of power.

    See my comment, #26. Nicholson knew, intimately (!), of what he was speaking.

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    Indeed.

    In Chronicles of Wasted Time, Malcolm Muggeridge recounts a similar episode of the world's most eminent men diving onto the floor and racing to the map on all fours to get in on the post-war partition of Europe, as if they were throwing bets down at the craps table.

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  33. KenH says:

    Macron’s better half certainly isn’t my type, but I heard that love is blind. That or she can suck a golf ball through a garden hose.

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  34. unit472 says:

    The economic situation facing ‘the left’ is probably key. With national governments everywhere in the west fiscally constrained leftist parties have nothing to offer. Obamacare is dying because it has no more government funding to subsidize it with. In France the state is 56% plus of all spending. The left can only hold office through a coalition of public sector employees and favored minority groups.

    Interesting is that Trump and Le Pen offer anti globalist policies that, even if they don’t optimize GDP, still appeal to the working class. This is likely because the working class has figured out that just because GDP might grow 2 or 3% per year their wages don’t. The benefits of economic growth are consumed by the rich and the state which uses it to expand public employment and subsidies to minorities. Workers lose their jobs and or receive ever lower wages. Anything is better than this deal so why not retreat behind protectionist walls. The billionaire class and minorities might not like it but to hell with them.

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    With national governments everywhere in the west fiscally constrained leftist parties have nothing to offer.
     
    While that statement rings true, I wonder what their opposite counterparts have to offer besides more aggression (both foreign and domestic), debt, further concentration of wealth and power, and taxes?
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  35. @Clyde
    How many times have you got on The Derb's case here for having a Chinese wife? Sad ! ! ! Should he get divorced to satisfy your notions of racial purity?

    Should he get divorced to satisfy your notions of racial purity?

    There’s no need to be facetious. I think you know full-well that nobody is telling Derb to get a divorce.

    The point here is to throw some light on this unusual character. How did an Englishman with a Chinese bride become one of the doyens of the American Dissident Right and Civic Nationalist schools? What are his motivations for being so? What is he even doing here amongst us? What does he really believe?

    I suspect that Derb’s lifestyle reflects exactly what Civic Nationalism is really all about. Immigrants are okay as long as they’re the right sort of immigrants. “Defending Western Civilization” means having a penchant for reading poetry and doing mathematical puzzles in your leisure hours. HBD is shallow Darwinian code-talk for “I want to live in a nice Whitopia without any spooks hanging around to disturb my quiet reading.” All their thoughts about government and politics and law are only a fantasy projection about a world finally made for people like them—a world made safe for bookworms. In a similar way, all of Milo Greekname’s flaming-gay, libertarian nonsense was a fantasy about a world made safe for dangerous faggots.

    I’m not having any of it. This is the best that the Dissident Right and the Alt-Lite can show for themselves, and it proves that they aren’t realistic. As actual, real-world political processes that get results, they have no future. If you want to spend your life in unproductive, owlish ruminations over Kipling and bell curves, you may imagine yourself to be a fine defender of Western civilization, but this will come at the cost of accomplishing nothing. If you want to be effective, the only way to do that is to go “full fash.”

    Civic Nationalism is an empty ideology. White Nationalism is strength in practice.

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    "There’s no need to be facetious. I think you know full-well that nobody is telling Derb to get a divorce."

    True racial purity would require such action, at least by those conveyed by the Alt-White. And what about ethnic purity? Why should a high-class ethnic group like the English "slum it" with an Italian, who is deemed to be on the lower end of the European totem pole? Or the French "shacking up" with a Russian? Are you the product of ethnic mixing? Shame, shame, shame.

    "I suspect that Derb’s lifestyle reflects exactly what Civic Nationalism is really all about. Immigrants are okay as long as they’re the right sort of immigrants."

    Exactly. The majority of white Americans share the same sentiments. Immigration has been part of our history, and there are people who want it limited for a host of reasons, remembering that their ancestors also had gone through the vetting process, recalling that their ancestors also had been deemed by nativists as "undesirable". Furthermore, the majority of white Americans are other than concerned with race or ethnic mixing, considering it is a person's liberty to "date and mate" with whomever they prefer.

    “Defending Western Civilization”...

    Again, the majority of white Americans are defenders of the civilization they maintain and improve upon...American. Western Civilization is virtually meaningless to them. Why should it be front and center?

    "This is the best that the Dissident Right and the Alt-Lite can show for themselves, and it proves that they aren’t realistic."

    I thought "No enemies on my right". Why are you airing dirty laundry? Take it behind closed doors regarding your "disapproval" of this group.

    "Civic Nationalism is an empty ideology. White Nationalism is strength in practice."

    White nationalism will flounder, especially among those in the Alt Right who insist that the United States is not a nation founded on a proposition. Only the founding stock, those from the British Isles, are the “original Americans”. They tout the non-British were unable to appreciate AND have a knack for perverting our representative form of government on the grounds that its foundational underpinnings are specifically peculiar to the British Isles. So, if your ancestors came from Ireland, Germany, Italy, and Russia, you are in essence a “fake” American.

    Best wishes getting your average white American to support this position.
    , @Clyde
    All good and intelligent words. J Derbyshire was probably conservative-libertarian when he married but had no thoughts about white nationalism back then. Who did? Very few, and partly because when he married 33 years ago (a guess) whites were a much higher percentage in America. White men were dominant with imperceptible commie/lib/minority blow back. Plus white guys ruled due to having a v strong economic base such as millions more industrial jobs along with those white guys in businesses catering to these men working in industries --pre-Chinese, Mexican and Asian stripping of these industries.
    , @attilathehen
    THANK YOU!!! Derbyshire is a degenerate. His wife and Asian daughter supported and voted for Obama. And yet, Derbyshire wants the white West preserved as a safe haven for his degenerate offspring. He also wrote an article about talking to kids about blacks. This man has no right to tell his own children they cannot befriend or date blacks because their mother is not white!! In another article he made a comment about obese white women. If they've produced enough children to replace the race, no one cares what they look like after the age of 45. He is an atheist and doesn't understand Christians. But when it's time for his Asian woman to celebrate her pagan ancestor worship, he helps her with her rituals. The reason I point him out is because new readers to the AltRt have to be made aware of a degeneracy within the AltRt. That somehow Asians are kosher. They are not. Most Asians have low IQs. The only Asians that were able to build a modern, democratic country were the Japanese. I respect what they've done, but that doesn't mean I want to turn Japanese. Derbyshire is also philosemitic. Jews have high intermarriage rates with blacks/Asians. Jews can have no part of the West. Deep down, Derbyshire has deep regrets of having married a Chinese woman and producing Asian offspring. Instead of exiling himself for his last years (he is 70 years old), I think he writes these columns in some bizarre attempt to atone for the horrible sins he has committed by marrying a Chinese woman.
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  36. Miro23 says:
    @Ximenes

    That’s what the French Gentry thought before the Revolution and the guillotine. If this were true there would be no backlash against the Gentry.
     
    The big difference is that back then, the Jews were on the side of the Revolution. Today, they are part of the ruling elite. The word Gentry, which suggests a rural, land owning elite, should not be used to describe today's urban elite. A true gentry would have a lot in common with the native peasantry.

    The word Gentry, which suggests a rural, land owning elite, should not be used to describe today’s urban elite. A true gentry would have a lot in common with the native peasantry.

    And the gentry were the officer class who were expected (and did) lead from the front in battle (and take disproportionate casualties). The “Guardian” role was the historic rationale for their elite status.

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  37. @jacques sheete
    If people only had a tiny clue about the utter freakishness of those who aspire to power, most wouldn't believe it and few could grasp it.

    The saddest thing is that most people put great amounts of faith in freaks like the above and the rest who routinely infest positions of power.

    See my comment, #26. Nicholson knew, intimately (!), of what he was speaking.

    Indeed.

    In Chronicles of Wasted Time, Malcolm Muggeridge recounts a similar episode of the world’s most eminent men diving onto the floor and racing to the map on all fours to get in on the post-war partition of Europe, as if they were throwing bets down at the craps table.

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    ...and racing to the map on all fours to get in on the post-war partition of Europe, as if they were throwing bets down at the craps table.
     
    And ...buggering one another, orgy style.

    The pestilential bunch of 'em is way beyond either usefulness or redemption. A sordid vexation to the rest of us, they are!!!

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  38. @Rich
    Come on, a 17 year old kid hooking up with his 42 year old teacher is pretty weird. It's the kind of thing used to turn up in Penthouse letters, but then the boy moves on. He's not supposed to move in with, then marry the old broad. Shows some kind of weakness of character, but that's what we get in our leftist leaders nowadays.

    At age 20 I was a geek-dude attending a school in California with its reputation based on STEM and a very adverse male-female ratio, I knew how to glide on one skating foot, going forwards or backwards without falling down because Mom took me to skating lessons when I was much younger, so I decided to enter the L.A. ice dance scene as an adult “to meet girls.”

    Ice dance is this very narrow interest practiced by few people, but a large metropolitan area together with a good freeway system (back in the day before it became a perpetual parking lot) would bring people with that interest together. Think of the TV show “Dancing with the Stars” but on skates, and the ice dance scene is exactly like that in every respect from the politics of judging to the pairing of partners with widely different ability to people over the age of 14 who seem to think they can learn this to the gossip of who is straight and who is gay and who is paired up with whom off the ice.

    Being an engineer helps a person learn this very technical skill involving forces and balance rather quickly, and there were a couple other guys like me around, including a Math professor from ‘S.C. who as a USFSA judge always gave me strong scores on my skating tests to progress from Preliminary to Bronze to Pre-Silver to Silver ranking.

    Anyway, there was a cohort of young women, some too young for me to be dating, who wanted to become the next Michelle Kwan or Linda Fratianne (one of the young women looked just like Linda Fratianne, and another young woman in LAFSC was Linda Fratianne). They wanted to be a Women’s Freestyle champion, the sport with the jumps and the spins, America’s next sweetheart, and Frank Carroll or whoever their coach told them to “learn ice dance to get better artistic expression.”

    Then there was a cohort of considerably older women, who perhaps still entertained the fantasy of being the cute girl at the center of everyone’s attention for their dramatic leaps and spins. They were active in ice dance because a strong enough male partner could make you look good and you didn’t need to risk injury on the leaps and spins. My young-cohort partner my coach paired me with for skating tests and club ice dance competitions wouldn’t speak a single word to me let along look at me as soon as we stepped off the ice. Am I making any of this up? My coach very well knew this, “Just skate with her, she is very strong, and the two of you look great.”

    In contrast, the older-cohort women were very cordial and social with me — maybe this “messed me up” in some way relating to the Presidential Candidate in France. Anyway, years later I was still taking ice dance lessons from a somewhat “straight-laced” Canadian Mormon skating coach in the Midwest. It was announced that a twenty-something young man who frequented the skating rink just got married to a forty-something woman skating coach. My coach’s wife was a rival in vying for students with respect to the coach in question, and let’s say a bunch of catty remarks got made.

    We were all nonplused about this. Hanging around the skating and especially ice dance world, I thought I had accurate “gay-dar”, and this young man had the affect and mannerisms of an effeminate-styled gay person. I was forty-something myself at the time and single with a “reputation” for being a “gay blade” amongst the women at the rink of the hetero variety (not that there is anything wrong with that!). I told my coach, “Yeah, I can understand them having a relationship, but gee, you don’t marry the girl!”, which resulted in my coach giving me this long, Mormon morally disapproving “you are telling me that you have ‘been there’” look.

    So this “hook-up” of the man who would be President of France that started out in Drama class? None of this is shocking to me, but gee, where were your parents in all of this, you don’t marry the girl!

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    Is your narrative real or not?

    It seems real, also enjoyable to read.
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  39. Alfa158 says:

    I recall reading during one of the Roman Polanski kerfuffles that he didn’t realize he was doing anything particularly bad because the age of consent in France was 14. If true, then since Macron was 15 when the affair started it would have been legal. Here in the US it is not, as evidenced by the periodic news scandals of female teachers who were caught banging their underage students and get shipped off to do time in the cold stony.
    As an ex-teenage boy, I still can’t see where they did anything illegal as long as the teacher is single.

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    Polanski's girl was barely 13 and short slim and looked very young. He also had to drug her so she couldn't object. and he sodomized her because he didn't have any condoms around. So it was not a consensual encounter, even in France.
    , @Matra
    I recall reading during one of the Roman Polanski kerfuffles that he didn’t realize he was doing anything particularly bad because the age of consent in France was 14

    Drugging someone then raping them, as Polanski did, is every bit as illegal in France as it is in the USA.

    Incidentally, Marine Le Pen wants him extradited to the US to face justice.
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  40. OK, my prior post was TL:DR. Let me sum up Monsieur Macron’s life story in one word:

    “Elaine!!!!!”

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  41. Miro23 says:

    Would this even be legal in the U.S? Nevertheless, my personal position on this is: Jolly good luck to both of them. My view, heartfelt and frequently stated, is that love is a precious gift, to be cherished and celebrated wherever it may be found.

    Good for Derb, it’s a private affair. Just don’t get the government involved, teach it in schools and force us to celebrate it.

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  42. Che Guava says:

    Macron’s wife looks like a monster of plastic surgery, almost to matching Bruce Jenner’s, who looks like a monster in recent shots where he has unwisely taken on-line advice to not wear full make-up all of the time.

    Macron’s wife is a monster, but she has her skin tightened like Citizen Cohn, and wears a massive and ridiculous wig (like Jenner, only more ridiculous).

    Does her pinched face, with the aim of looking like a narrow-chinned porcelain doll, have any capacity for expression?

    It does not.

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  43. Oldeguy says:

    I am a bit surprised to see the bulk of the comments ( thus far ) directed to the propriety ( or lack thereof ) of this French politician’s marriage to an older woman.
    As Derb quite rightly points out, this is simply none of anyone’s business other than the two individuals concerned.
    What is very much the business of all of the rest of us, French and non-French, is the apparent hammer lock on our collective future held by the Meritocracy of the Cognitive Elite and its underlying ideology. Human beings are fashioned in such a way as to sense the “rightness” ( i.e. fairness or “justice” ) of any situation or relationship and ideology shapes how that sense is applied. The Cognitive Elite quite frankly believe that they fully deserve their elevated position and the plethora of perks accompanying it because they “earned it”- i.e. they jumped through all the necessary hoops ( high ACT and SAT scores, attendance at “top universities”,etc. ) to position themselves at the levers of power.
    “Fairness” then becomes about ensuring that cognitive giftedness becomes the sole criteria for social strata. A society, by this measuring stick, would be perfectly fair and just if its distribution of wealth and power was wildly skewed in favor of its Elite as long that Elite was representative of all the racial, ethnic, gender sub-sectors of that society.
    A major problem here is the absence of any sense of moral obligation to the non-gifted : they simply drop off the radar screen because they are where they “deserve” to be. They become the Proles that Derb refers to.

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    I am a bit surprised to see the bulk of the comments ( thus far ) directed to the propriety ( or lack thereof ) of this French politician’s marriage to an older woman.
    As Derb quite rightly points out, this is simply none of anyone’s business other than the two individuals concerned.
     
    That concept is quite valid. But it applies to private persons, not spotlight hogs who prance around in full public display in their obnoxious quests for power, all the while flaunting their degeneracy.

    If they don't understand and accept that such inquiries come with the territory, then they have no business seeking attention and should keep to themselves.

    Part of the problem is that most folks don't understand that the type almost invariably imagines themselves superior to the rest of us. If so, let them act like it. Furthermore, we prols need to quit defending them and making excuses for them.

    People in leadership positions out to be held to higher standards than the rest of us especially if they act like they're somehow better than us, no?
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  44. Che Guava says:
    @Inquiring Mind
    At age 20 I was a geek-dude attending a school in California with its reputation based on STEM and a very adverse male-female ratio, I knew how to glide on one skating foot, going forwards or backwards without falling down because Mom took me to skating lessons when I was much younger, so I decided to enter the L.A. ice dance scene as an adult "to meet girls."

    Ice dance is this very narrow interest practiced by few people, but a large metropolitan area together with a good freeway system (back in the day before it became a perpetual parking lot) would bring people with that interest together. Think of the TV show "Dancing with the Stars" but on skates, and the ice dance scene is exactly like that in every respect from the politics of judging to the pairing of partners with widely different ability to people over the age of 14 who seem to think they can learn this to the gossip of who is straight and who is gay and who is paired up with whom off the ice.

    Being an engineer helps a person learn this very technical skill involving forces and balance rather quickly, and there were a couple other guys like me around, including a Math professor from 'S.C. who as a USFSA judge always gave me strong scores on my skating tests to progress from Preliminary to Bronze to Pre-Silver to Silver ranking.

    Anyway, there was a cohort of young women, some too young for me to be dating, who wanted to become the next Michelle Kwan or Linda Fratianne (one of the young women looked just like Linda Fratianne, and another young woman in LAFSC was Linda Fratianne). They wanted to be a Women's Freestyle champion, the sport with the jumps and the spins, America's next sweetheart, and Frank Carroll or whoever their coach told them to "learn ice dance to get better artistic expression."

    Then there was a cohort of considerably older women, who perhaps still entertained the fantasy of being the cute girl at the center of everyone's attention for their dramatic leaps and spins. They were active in ice dance because a strong enough male partner could make you look good and you didn't need to risk injury on the leaps and spins. My young-cohort partner my coach paired me with for skating tests and club ice dance competitions wouldn't speak a single word to me let along look at me as soon as we stepped off the ice. Am I making any of this up? My coach very well knew this, "Just skate with her, she is very strong, and the two of you look great."

    In contrast, the older-cohort women were very cordial and social with me -- maybe this "messed me up" in some way relating to the Presidential Candidate in France. Anyway, years later I was still taking ice dance lessons from a somewhat "straight-laced" Canadian Mormon skating coach in the Midwest. It was announced that a twenty-something young man who frequented the skating rink just got married to a forty-something woman skating coach. My coach's wife was a rival in vying for students with respect to the coach in question, and let's say a bunch of catty remarks got made.

    We were all nonplused about this. Hanging around the skating and especially ice dance world, I thought I had accurate "gay-dar", and this young man had the affect and mannerisms of an effeminate-styled gay person. I was forty-something myself at the time and single with a "reputation" for being a "gay blade" amongst the women at the rink of the hetero variety (not that there is anything wrong with that!). I told my coach, "Yeah, I can understand them having a relationship, but gee, you don't marry the girl!", which resulted in my coach giving me this long, Mormon morally disapproving "you are telling me that you have 'been there'" look.

    So this "hook-up" of the man who would be President of France that started out in Drama class? None of this is shocking to me, but gee, where were your parents in all of this, you don't marry the girl!

    Is your narrative real or not?

    It seems real, also enjoyable to read.

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  45. Corvinus says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Should he get divorced to satisfy your notions of racial purity?
     
    There's no need to be facetious. I think you know full-well that nobody is telling Derb to get a divorce.

    The point here is to throw some light on this unusual character. How did an Englishman with a Chinese bride become one of the doyens of the American Dissident Right and Civic Nationalist schools? What are his motivations for being so? What is he even doing here amongst us? What does he really believe?

    I suspect that Derb's lifestyle reflects exactly what Civic Nationalism is really all about. Immigrants are okay as long as they're the right sort of immigrants. "Defending Western Civilization" means having a penchant for reading poetry and doing mathematical puzzles in your leisure hours. HBD is shallow Darwinian code-talk for "I want to live in a nice Whitopia without any spooks hanging around to disturb my quiet reading." All their thoughts about government and politics and law are only a fantasy projection about a world finally made for people like them---a world made safe for bookworms. In a similar way, all of Milo Greekname's flaming-gay, libertarian nonsense was a fantasy about a world made safe for dangerous faggots.

    I'm not having any of it. This is the best that the Dissident Right and the Alt-Lite can show for themselves, and it proves that they aren't realistic. As actual, real-world political processes that get results, they have no future. If you want to spend your life in unproductive, owlish ruminations over Kipling and bell curves, you may imagine yourself to be a fine defender of Western civilization, but this will come at the cost of accomplishing nothing. If you want to be effective, the only way to do that is to go "full fash."

    Civic Nationalism is an empty ideology. White Nationalism is strength in practice.

    “There’s no need to be facetious. I think you know full-well that nobody is telling Derb to get a divorce.”

    True racial purity would require such action, at least by those conveyed by the Alt-White. And what about ethnic purity? Why should a high-class ethnic group like the English “slum it” with an Italian, who is deemed to be on the lower end of the European totem pole? Or the French “shacking up” with a Russian? Are you the product of ethnic mixing? Shame, shame, shame.

    “I suspect that Derb’s lifestyle reflects exactly what Civic Nationalism is really all about. Immigrants are okay as long as they’re the right sort of immigrants.”

    Exactly. The majority of white Americans share the same sentiments. Immigration has been part of our history, and there are people who want it limited for a host of reasons, remembering that their ancestors also had gone through the vetting process, recalling that their ancestors also had been deemed by nativists as “undesirable”. Furthermore, the majority of white Americans are other than concerned with race or ethnic mixing, considering it is a person’s liberty to “date and mate” with whomever they prefer.

    “Defending Western Civilization”…

    Again, the majority of white Americans are defenders of the civilization they maintain and improve upon…American. Western Civilization is virtually meaningless to them. Why should it be front and center?

    “This is the best that the Dissident Right and the Alt-Lite can show for themselves, and it proves that they aren’t realistic.”

    I thought “No enemies on my right”. Why are you airing dirty laundry? Take it behind closed doors regarding your “disapproval” of this group.

    “Civic Nationalism is an empty ideology. White Nationalism is strength in practice.”

    White nationalism will flounder, especially among those in the Alt Right who insist that the United States is not a nation founded on a proposition. Only the founding stock, those from the British Isles, are the “original Americans”. They tout the non-British were unable to appreciate AND have a knack for perverting our representative form of government on the grounds that its foundational underpinnings are specifically peculiar to the British Isles. So, if your ancestors came from Ireland, Germany, Italy, and Russia, you are in essence a “fake” American.

    Best wishes getting your average white American to support this position.

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    So, if your ancestors came from Ireland, Germany, Italy, and Russia, you are in essence a “fake” American.
     
    Rather surprisingly to me it turns out that in those European countries you mention ancestry is descended from exteminationalist Yamnaya warriors (AKA the IndoEuropeans) of the Bronze age. Murderers and whores from the Ukraine were all our ancestors basically.

    Nations are not based on sub-racial categories at all. Nations are as natural as a bee hive and are basically a defensive coalescing of people, more or less homogeneous,but altering slowly in every way including genetically. In a big bad world of uncertin future threats people need help and band together just like bees and ants do.

    Sometimes bees will give up fighting for their hive against a rival hive's attack and join the aggressors to fight against their hivemates loot their own hive. I think those turncoat bees have not been disabused of some theory of their hive's superiority but rather just think if you can't beat them join them. A man or woman of any race can be faithful to their nation and be recognised a a true blue red blooded America It's the American who assist the mass interpolation of immigration that shows themself to not be a real Americans, they are quitters. The turncoat /quitters pure racial type is quite noticeable: so many of them are very WASPy/nordic. I wouldn't be surprised if you were too, Corvie, do you you look like a ideal SS man ?. Hearken to the bees banding together against other groups or free riders within, and understand that your own views may be motivated by the less avowable aspects of human nature no less than in Bernard Mandeville's fable.

    , @Intelligent Dasein
    Corvinus, there is no point in talking to you. You understand nothing about the people you dispute with. It's as if you cannot see their minds at all.

    I'm not going to accuse you of trolling. I believe you really are just that obtuse. If ever you came to glimpse, even for a moment, exactly what your interlocutors have been talking about all this time, you would be wracked by such pangs of humility and cognitive dissonance that you would tear your own eyeballs out, Oedipus-wise.
    , @Bill

    I thought “No enemies on my right”.
     
    Derb: to Intelligent Dasein's right.
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  46. naro says:

    He was 15 and she was his 39 yo teacher when she attacked him. This is all part of the powerful pedophilia lobby trying to take over the international agenda. FRANCE WILL NOT ACCEPT A PEDOPHILE AS FIRST LADY!!!!!!!!!

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  47. Sean says:
    @jilles dykstra
    A country never bankrupts.
    It just runs into financial difficulties.

    Before Greece got the euro, the country some five times was unable to meet its obligations, any time it resurrected itself.
    France als has, like all S European countries, a long history of financial difficulties, devalaluations, and currency reorganisations.

    France never really accepted the euro, any French supermarket has double prices, in francs and in euros.
    Old French even today call the last franc 'the new franc', the old one was converted, 100 old became one 'nouveau franc'.

    As the German sociologist Seeckt states 'the EU problem is that the N states say aganst the S states "become like us"'.
    He did not mention the other problem, the western states saying to the eastern ones also 'become like us'.

    But indeed, it will not be easy to unravel the euro, and re introduce the old currencies, technically it is possible, but the financial world will strongly object.
    They do not want to lose their present liberty to do whatever they want, no control from anyone.

    Before Greece got the euro, the country some five times was unable to meet its obligations,

    Now the Greek elite gets the Germans to meet them, the other south European countries may well need the same. But Italy is not Greece, its’s too big and the Italians are tired of almost two decades of stagnating living standards, while their girls migrate to freeze their tits off as topless waitresses in Germany (where sex work is advertised in government jobcentres).

    France never really accepted the euro

    France has never accepted that it it so lightweight a country that might the same restructuring (bail out) put as Greece, Portugal Spain and maybe even Italy could. France thinks it is the worlds most advanced country, all the while its objective is mutualisation of obligations, which is basically getting the german taxpayer to backstop the toxic debt Frech bankers got their institutions into with Italy

    Marcon, is a quid pro quo of the French elite with Germany, whereby he as the representative of France’sfinacial expertise convinces French masses to accept they should enter into a deeper union with the rest of the EU,for the good of all. The Paris sense the Italians are getting restive and they may be a Italian exit from the EU and refusal to pay the loans , which really would hurt affluent denizens of exclusive Paris and make them suffer, they’ll create an impression of national doom closing in that will send the country into such a panic that in the countries minds catastrophic bankruptcy will indeed have arrived . Marcon’s rise is an example of just what the elite can do along those lines. The Germans want Marcon and the profligate banks and very wealthy elite have no intention of putting national independence before the German taxpayer backstop.

    As the German sociologist Seeckt states ‘the EU problem is that the N states say aganst the S states “become like us”‘.

    In a single currency EU market, Germany will deindustrialise all Europe. German products are incomparable good, but expensive in the rest of Europe without a single currency The German taxpayer bail out of Greece ect to keep them in the EU and the single currency working are in effect gifts from ordinary Germans to German business for the purpose of export promotion.

    He did not mention the other problem, the western states saying to the eastern ones also ‘become like us’.

    If only they had an economy like ours they were like us the bloody Poles, Romanians ect would not be flooding into France and Britian (Brexit has altered nothing ) and keeping Frech and British workers out of real earning jobs. EU immigration is a big part of rising property prices and the EU immigrants are often taking the resultant construction trades jobs. They are building their own houses in effect. Plus they get to claim British child benefit at British rates in Britain re for their children back home in Poland.

    The masses in Franch and Britain don’t want any more immigrating EU workers keeping wages low. Brexit was mainly due to this ,but it hasn’t sunk into the flushed with victory free market ideologues of the leave campaign yet. the French working class will have an even harder time, because their elite s cannot countenance a withdrawal from the EU a la Brexit for the reasons mentioned above. assuming she wins the presidency Marine lePen may be able to get away with halting all non European immigration, but to do that (with only FN 2 MPs)she will need give something the establishment ned and I think that means she will have to agree not to withdraw France from the EU and the German money teat.

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  48. Clyde says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Should he get divorced to satisfy your notions of racial purity?
     
    There's no need to be facetious. I think you know full-well that nobody is telling Derb to get a divorce.

    The point here is to throw some light on this unusual character. How did an Englishman with a Chinese bride become one of the doyens of the American Dissident Right and Civic Nationalist schools? What are his motivations for being so? What is he even doing here amongst us? What does he really believe?

    I suspect that Derb's lifestyle reflects exactly what Civic Nationalism is really all about. Immigrants are okay as long as they're the right sort of immigrants. "Defending Western Civilization" means having a penchant for reading poetry and doing mathematical puzzles in your leisure hours. HBD is shallow Darwinian code-talk for "I want to live in a nice Whitopia without any spooks hanging around to disturb my quiet reading." All their thoughts about government and politics and law are only a fantasy projection about a world finally made for people like them---a world made safe for bookworms. In a similar way, all of Milo Greekname's flaming-gay, libertarian nonsense was a fantasy about a world made safe for dangerous faggots.

    I'm not having any of it. This is the best that the Dissident Right and the Alt-Lite can show for themselves, and it proves that they aren't realistic. As actual, real-world political processes that get results, they have no future. If you want to spend your life in unproductive, owlish ruminations over Kipling and bell curves, you may imagine yourself to be a fine defender of Western civilization, but this will come at the cost of accomplishing nothing. If you want to be effective, the only way to do that is to go "full fash."

    Civic Nationalism is an empty ideology. White Nationalism is strength in practice.

    All good and intelligent words. J Derbyshire was probably conservative-libertarian when he married but had no thoughts about white nationalism back then. Who did? Very few, and partly because when he married 33 years ago (a guess) whites were a much higher percentage in America. White men were dominant with imperceptible commie/lib/minority blow back. Plus white guys ruled due to having a v strong economic base such as millions more industrial jobs along with those white guys in businesses catering to these men working in industries –pre-Chinese, Mexican and Asian stripping of these industries.

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  49. neutral says:
    @Corvinus
    "Sorry but there is something very wrong with Macron and his wife. At a very basic instinctive level most know how freakish this is."

    Actually, most people don't view it in the manner you do.

    In your twisted world a man coming along with a wife 30 years older than him would have nobody give it a second thought… It is your world view that most people don’t adhere to.

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    "In your twisted world a man coming along with a wife 30 years older than him would have nobody give it a second thought… It is your world view that most people don’t adhere to."

    Again, few white Americans today concern themselves with this particular matter.

    In the end, it's no one else's business but their own.

    Besides, how does their situation personally impact your own life?

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  50. Corvinus says:
    @neutral
    In your twisted world a man coming along with a wife 30 years older than him would have nobody give it a second thought... It is your world view that most people don't adhere to.

    “In your twisted world a man coming along with a wife 30 years older than him would have nobody give it a second thought… It is your world view that most people don’t adhere to.”

    Again, few white Americans today concern themselves with this particular matter.

    In the end, it’s no one else’s business but their own.

    Besides, how does their situation personally impact your own life?

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    First of all, Americans are just a fraction of the world population, second despite the endless saturation bombing the population has been subjected to socially engineer it, there is absolutely zero chance that such a relationship will not be discussed by most Americans. If you cannot seriously understand that such relationship will not be a big gossip topic and that such a relationship will not evoke "what the hell is going here" as the first thought when learning about this, then I think you are suffering from autism.
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  51. @Intelligent Dasein

    Should he get divorced to satisfy your notions of racial purity?
     
    There's no need to be facetious. I think you know full-well that nobody is telling Derb to get a divorce.

    The point here is to throw some light on this unusual character. How did an Englishman with a Chinese bride become one of the doyens of the American Dissident Right and Civic Nationalist schools? What are his motivations for being so? What is he even doing here amongst us? What does he really believe?

    I suspect that Derb's lifestyle reflects exactly what Civic Nationalism is really all about. Immigrants are okay as long as they're the right sort of immigrants. "Defending Western Civilization" means having a penchant for reading poetry and doing mathematical puzzles in your leisure hours. HBD is shallow Darwinian code-talk for "I want to live in a nice Whitopia without any spooks hanging around to disturb my quiet reading." All their thoughts about government and politics and law are only a fantasy projection about a world finally made for people like them---a world made safe for bookworms. In a similar way, all of Milo Greekname's flaming-gay, libertarian nonsense was a fantasy about a world made safe for dangerous faggots.

    I'm not having any of it. This is the best that the Dissident Right and the Alt-Lite can show for themselves, and it proves that they aren't realistic. As actual, real-world political processes that get results, they have no future. If you want to spend your life in unproductive, owlish ruminations over Kipling and bell curves, you may imagine yourself to be a fine defender of Western civilization, but this will come at the cost of accomplishing nothing. If you want to be effective, the only way to do that is to go "full fash."

    Civic Nationalism is an empty ideology. White Nationalism is strength in practice.

    THANK YOU!!! Derbyshire is a degenerate. His wife and Asian daughter supported and voted for Obama. And yet, Derbyshire wants the white West preserved as a safe haven for his degenerate offspring. He also wrote an article about talking to kids about blacks. This man has no right to tell his own children they cannot befriend or date blacks because their mother is not white!! In another article he made a comment about obese white women. If they’ve produced enough children to replace the race, no one cares what they look like after the age of 45. He is an atheist and doesn’t understand Christians. But when it’s time for his Asian woman to celebrate her pagan ancestor worship, he helps her with her rituals. The reason I point him out is because new readers to the AltRt have to be made aware of a degeneracy within the AltRt. That somehow Asians are kosher. They are not. Most Asians have low IQs. The only Asians that were able to build a modern, democratic country were the Japanese. I respect what they’ve done, but that doesn’t mean I want to turn Japanese. Derbyshire is also philosemitic. Jews have high intermarriage rates with blacks/Asians. Jews can have no part of the West. Deep down, Derbyshire has deep regrets of having married a Chinese woman and producing Asian offspring. Instead of exiling himself for his last years (he is 70 years old), I think he writes these columns in some bizarre attempt to atone for the horrible sins he has committed by marrying a Chinese woman.

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    "THANK YOU!!! Derbyshire is a degenerate."

    Please cite the relevant Bible passages, with interpretation, regarding how and why Jesus would
    castigate people for race mixing. Otherwise, you are a fake Christian.

    "This man has no right to tell his own children they cannot befriend or date blacks because their mother is not white!!"

    Do not men and women have the liberty to "date and mate" with whomever they prefer? Under what authority do you have to judge people in this fashion?

    "The reason I point him out is because new readers to the AltRt have to be made aware of a degeneracy within the AltRt."

    Do not individual members of the Alt Right have the liberty to decide for themselves who is under their tent?

    "That somehow Asians are kosher. They are not. Most Asians have low IQs."

    Obviously you are not familiar with HbD or race realism.

    "Jews have high intermarriage rates with blacks/Asians. Jews can have no part of the West. "

    The West, according to most white Americans, is NOT their concern, nor should it be.

    "I think he writes these columns in some bizarre attempt to atone for the horrible sins he has committed by marrying a Chinese woman."

    Again, how is it "sinful" for a Christian white to marry a Christian non-white? Please elaborate.
    , @Art

    Derbyshire is a degenerate. His wife and Asian daughter supported and voted for Obama. And yet, Derbyshire wants the white West preserved as a safe haven for his degenerate offspring.
     
    What hateful sicko crap!

    The cross fertilization of Europeans and Asians produce beautiful people.

    In all likelihood, the third or fourth generation of this human mix would produce a superior race.

    Peace --- Art
    , @Truth
    It's getting loud in here, Derb.
    , @Alden
    Did Derbyshire's wife make him cut down all the trees in front of the house because Devils live in trees? Have they had 20 of her relatives living in their small house all these years?
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  52. @unit472
    The economic situation facing 'the left' is probably key. With national governments everywhere in the west fiscally constrained leftist parties have nothing to offer. Obamacare is dying because it has no more government funding to subsidize it with. In France the state is 56% plus of all spending. The left can only hold office through a coalition of public sector employees and favored minority groups.

    Interesting is that Trump and Le Pen offer anti globalist policies that, even if they don't optimize GDP, still appeal to the working class. This is likely because the working class has figured out that just because GDP might grow 2 or 3% per year their wages don't. The benefits of economic growth are consumed by the rich and the state which uses it to expand public employment and subsidies to minorities. Workers lose their jobs and or receive ever lower wages. Anything is better than this deal so why not retreat behind protectionist walls. The billionaire class and minorities might not like it but to hell with them.

    With national governments everywhere in the west fiscally constrained leftist parties have nothing to offer.

    While that statement rings true, I wonder what their opposite counterparts have to offer besides more aggression (both foreign and domestic), debt, further concentration of wealth and power, and taxes?

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  53. Avery says:
    @Corvinus
    "Sorry but there is something very wrong with Macron and his wife. At a very basic instinctive level most know how freakish this is."

    Actually, most people don't view it in the manner you do.

    {Actually, most people don’t view it in the manner you do.}

    Really?
    How do you know?
    Did you personally survey ‘most people’?
    Where were those ‘most people’: US, Europe, Asia,….?

    You don’t know how ‘most people’ view it: you are just stating as fact something you have no way of knowing to be true or false.

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    "You don’t know how ‘most people’ view it: you are just stating as fact something you have no way of knowing to be true or false."

    You mean the way that neutral made this comment--“Sorry but there is something very wrong with Macron and his wife. At a very basic instinctive level most know how freakish this is.”

    So, I imagine you will take him to task, right? Or are you just white knighting here?
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  54. @Intelligent Dasein
    Indeed.

    In Chronicles of Wasted Time, Malcolm Muggeridge recounts a similar episode of the world's most eminent men diving onto the floor and racing to the map on all fours to get in on the post-war partition of Europe, as if they were throwing bets down at the craps table.

    …and racing to the map on all fours to get in on the post-war partition of Europe, as if they were throwing bets down at the craps table.

    And …buggering one another, orgy style.

    The pestilential bunch of ‘em is way beyond either usefulness or redemption. A sordid vexation to the rest of us, they are!!!

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  55. Sean says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    rumors of Macron’s homosexuality are likely true (not that queerness tells us anything decisive about a man’s suitability to lead his country.
     
    Oh, I don't know. A man who does not have his own biological children may well have a different perspective on the meaning of life, legal matters of human reproduction such as abortion rights and contraception, childcare provisions, education, single sex toilets, sex change surgery paid for by taxpayers, willingness to send soldiers to be killed, women's rights, and so on.

    That is not to say that he is necessarily unsuitable for the top job. At least he will not have children distracting him, or asking him to bomb someone because they have seen pictures of dead children, and he will not have to stay home when his child wakes up sick on a schoolday, but questions need to be asked about his views on matters that pertain to families.

    A British officer in WW2 remarked ‘I can’t tell you anything about DeGaulle except he has hips like a woman and a head like a pineapple’. DeGaulle’s wife was 10 years younger, they married when he was 30 and had a two daughters one married a general the other was Downs Syndrome and died young. It was a tragedy to him no doubt but there seems something about him that makes the modest reproductive success (as far as I know he could have tried for three kids or more), not a coincidence.

    Still

    Wikepedia: In the context of the Cold War, de Gaulle initiated his “Politics of Grandeur”, asserting that France as a major power should not rely on other countries, such as the US, for its national security and prosperity. To this end, de Gaulle pursued a policy of “national independence” which led him to withdraw from NATO’s military integrated command and to launch an independent nuclear development program that made France the fourth nuclear power. He restored cordial Franco-German relations to create a European counterweight between the Anglo-American and Soviet spheres of influence. However, he opposed any development of a supranational Europe, favouring a Europe of sovereign nations. De Gaulle openly criticised the US intervention in Vietnam and the “exorbitant privilege” of the US dollar. In his later years, his support for an independent Quebec and his two vetoes against Britain’s entry into the European Community generated considerable controversy

    I think he proved himself the greatest modern leader of France when he said he said the whole point of national policy was maintaining French Independence. DeGaulle was a man of the day before yesterday and the day after tomorrow as someone said. A leader of a country puts that first and that is the acid test, the only true one, of a person’s suitability to be a leader. Marcon could be a traditionalist in a 9 kid marriage with a beautiful woman, without it making him one iota more suitable to lead his country. Fortunately there are indications Macron is a bungler.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4438296/At-age-17-Emmanuel-told-d-marry-me.html

    Scroll down and take a look of the photo of Marcon and wife kissing at a rally to celebrate him getting into the next round. He has mashed his nose straight into hers so hard he looks like he is taking a right cross on the snout. You would think a mature man from a nation renowned for sensuality would have a better technique!

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  56. @Oldeguy
    I am a bit surprised to see the bulk of the comments ( thus far ) directed to the propriety ( or lack thereof ) of this French politician's marriage to an older woman.
    As Derb quite rightly points out, this is simply none of anyone's business other than the two individuals concerned.
    What is very much the business of all of the rest of us, French and non-French, is the apparent hammer lock on our collective future held by the Meritocracy of the Cognitive Elite and its underlying ideology. Human beings are fashioned in such a way as to sense the "rightness" ( i.e. fairness or "justice" ) of any situation or relationship and ideology shapes how that sense is applied. The Cognitive Elite quite frankly believe that they fully deserve their elevated position and the plethora of perks accompanying it because they "earned it"- i.e. they jumped through all the necessary hoops ( high ACT and SAT scores, attendance at "top universities",etc. ) to position themselves at the levers of power.
    "Fairness" then becomes about ensuring that cognitive giftedness becomes the sole criteria for social strata. A society, by this measuring stick, would be perfectly fair and just if its distribution of wealth and power was wildly skewed in favor of its Elite as long that Elite was representative of all the racial, ethnic, gender sub-sectors of that society.
    A major problem here is the absence of any sense of moral obligation to the non-gifted : they simply drop off the radar screen because they are where they "deserve" to be. They become the Proles that Derb refers to.

    I am a bit surprised to see the bulk of the comments ( thus far ) directed to the propriety ( or lack thereof ) of this French politician’s marriage to an older woman.
    As Derb quite rightly points out, this is simply none of anyone’s business other than the two individuals concerned.

    That concept is quite valid. But it applies to private persons, not spotlight hogs who prance around in full public display in their obnoxious quests for power, all the while flaunting their degeneracy.

    If they don’t understand and accept that such inquiries come with the territory, then they have no business seeking attention and should keep to themselves.

    Part of the problem is that most folks don’t understand that the type almost invariably imagines themselves superior to the rest of us. If so, let them act like it. Furthermore, we prols need to quit defending them and making excuses for them.

    People in leadership positions out to be held to higher standards than the rest of us especially if they act like they’re somehow better than us, no?

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  57. neutral says:
    @Corvinus
    "In your twisted world a man coming along with a wife 30 years older than him would have nobody give it a second thought… It is your world view that most people don’t adhere to."

    Again, few white Americans today concern themselves with this particular matter.

    In the end, it's no one else's business but their own.

    Besides, how does their situation personally impact your own life?

    First of all, Americans are just a fraction of the world population, second despite the endless saturation bombing the population has been subjected to socially engineer it, there is absolutely zero chance that such a relationship will not be discussed by most Americans. If you cannot seriously understand that such relationship will not be a big gossip topic and that such a relationship will not evoke “what the hell is going here” as the first thought when learning about this, then I think you are suffering from autism.

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    "First of all, Americans are just a fraction of the world population, second despite the endless saturation bombing the population has been subjected to socially engineer it, there is absolutely zero chance that such a relationship will not be discussed by most Americans."

    I said concern themselves about this matter. Most Americans COULD discuss it (including children and teenagers?), but in the end there are more important items on their plate.

    "If you cannot seriously understand that such relationship will not be a big gossip topic and that such a relationship will not evoke “what the hell is going here” as the first thought when learning about this, then I think you are suffering from autism."

    Gossip about a French leader and his wife is on the extreme low end of the gossip meter. Stop sperging. Maybe to YOU it will elicit that response, but to most Americans, it's NOT going to register.

    Again, how does their situation personally impact your own life?
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  58. Corvinus says:
    @attilathehen
    THANK YOU!!! Derbyshire is a degenerate. His wife and Asian daughter supported and voted for Obama. And yet, Derbyshire wants the white West preserved as a safe haven for his degenerate offspring. He also wrote an article about talking to kids about blacks. This man has no right to tell his own children they cannot befriend or date blacks because their mother is not white!! In another article he made a comment about obese white women. If they've produced enough children to replace the race, no one cares what they look like after the age of 45. He is an atheist and doesn't understand Christians. But when it's time for his Asian woman to celebrate her pagan ancestor worship, he helps her with her rituals. The reason I point him out is because new readers to the AltRt have to be made aware of a degeneracy within the AltRt. That somehow Asians are kosher. They are not. Most Asians have low IQs. The only Asians that were able to build a modern, democratic country were the Japanese. I respect what they've done, but that doesn't mean I want to turn Japanese. Derbyshire is also philosemitic. Jews have high intermarriage rates with blacks/Asians. Jews can have no part of the West. Deep down, Derbyshire has deep regrets of having married a Chinese woman and producing Asian offspring. Instead of exiling himself for his last years (he is 70 years old), I think he writes these columns in some bizarre attempt to atone for the horrible sins he has committed by marrying a Chinese woman.

    “THANK YOU!!! Derbyshire is a degenerate.”

    Please cite the relevant Bible passages, with interpretation, regarding how and why Jesus would
    castigate people for race mixing. Otherwise, you are a fake Christian.

    “This man has no right to tell his own children they cannot befriend or date blacks because their mother is not white!!”

    Do not men and women have the liberty to “date and mate” with whomever they prefer? Under what authority do you have to judge people in this fashion?

    “The reason I point him out is because new readers to the AltRt have to be made aware of a degeneracy within the AltRt.”

    Do not individual members of the Alt Right have the liberty to decide for themselves who is under their tent?

    “That somehow Asians are kosher. They are not. Most Asians have low IQs.”

    Obviously you are not familiar with HbD or race realism.

    “Jews have high intermarriage rates with blacks/Asians. Jews can have no part of the West. ”

    The West, according to most white Americans, is NOT their concern, nor should it be.

    “I think he writes these columns in some bizarre attempt to atone for the horrible sins he has committed by marrying a Chinese woman.”

    Again, how is it “sinful” for a Christian white to marry a Christian non-white? Please elaborate.

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    I was going to reply to you in Fred Reed's column about Christianity. You queried me about my Christianity and heresies.

    First, are you Roman Catholic? If so, do you accept black/Asians priests-popes?
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  59. Sean says:
    @Corvinus
    "There’s no need to be facetious. I think you know full-well that nobody is telling Derb to get a divorce."

    True racial purity would require such action, at least by those conveyed by the Alt-White. And what about ethnic purity? Why should a high-class ethnic group like the English "slum it" with an Italian, who is deemed to be on the lower end of the European totem pole? Or the French "shacking up" with a Russian? Are you the product of ethnic mixing? Shame, shame, shame.

    "I suspect that Derb’s lifestyle reflects exactly what Civic Nationalism is really all about. Immigrants are okay as long as they’re the right sort of immigrants."

    Exactly. The majority of white Americans share the same sentiments. Immigration has been part of our history, and there are people who want it limited for a host of reasons, remembering that their ancestors also had gone through the vetting process, recalling that their ancestors also had been deemed by nativists as "undesirable". Furthermore, the majority of white Americans are other than concerned with race or ethnic mixing, considering it is a person's liberty to "date and mate" with whomever they prefer.

    “Defending Western Civilization”...

    Again, the majority of white Americans are defenders of the civilization they maintain and improve upon...American. Western Civilization is virtually meaningless to them. Why should it be front and center?

    "This is the best that the Dissident Right and the Alt-Lite can show for themselves, and it proves that they aren’t realistic."

    I thought "No enemies on my right". Why are you airing dirty laundry? Take it behind closed doors regarding your "disapproval" of this group.

    "Civic Nationalism is an empty ideology. White Nationalism is strength in practice."

    White nationalism will flounder, especially among those in the Alt Right who insist that the United States is not a nation founded on a proposition. Only the founding stock, those from the British Isles, are the “original Americans”. They tout the non-British were unable to appreciate AND have a knack for perverting our representative form of government on the grounds that its foundational underpinnings are specifically peculiar to the British Isles. So, if your ancestors came from Ireland, Germany, Italy, and Russia, you are in essence a “fake” American.

    Best wishes getting your average white American to support this position.

    So, if your ancestors came from Ireland, Germany, Italy, and Russia, you are in essence a “fake” American.

    Rather surprisingly to me it turns out that in those European countries you mention ancestry is descended from exteminationalist Yamnaya warriors (AKA the IndoEuropeans) of the Bronze age. Murderers and whores from the Ukraine were all our ancestors basically.

    Nations are not based on sub-racial categories at all. Nations are as natural as a bee hive and are basically a defensive coalescing of people, more or less homogeneous,but altering slowly in every way including genetically. In a big bad world of uncertin future threats people need help and band together just like bees and ants do.

    Sometimes bees will give up fighting for their hive against a rival hive’s attack and join the aggressors to fight against their hivemates loot their own hive. I think those turncoat bees have not been disabused of some theory of their hive’s superiority but rather just think if you can’t beat them join them. A man or woman of any race can be faithful to their nation and be recognised a a true blue red blooded America It’s the American who assist the mass interpolation of immigration that shows themself to not be a real Americans, they are quitters. The turncoat /quitters pure racial type is quite noticeable: so many of them are very WASPy/nordic. I wouldn’t be surprised if you were too, Corvie, do you you look like a ideal SS man ?. Hearken to the bees banding together against other groups or free riders within, and understand that your own views may be motivated by the less avowable aspects of human nature no less than in Bernard Mandeville’s fable.

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    Were you drunk drinking honey flavored beer when you wrote your response? You're not making much sense.

    "Nations are as natural as a bee hive and are basically a defensive coalescing of people, more or less homogeneous,but altering slowly in every way including genetically."

    No, nations consist of a group of people who may be heterogenous or homogenous who agree to set rules in a given location, who may or may not be linked genetically.

    "It’s the American who assist the mass interpolation of immigration that shows themself to not be a real Americans, they are quitters."

    Who are these "real Americans" from your perspective? How are they exactly "quitters"?

    "The turncoat /quitters pure racial type is quite noticeable: so many of them are very WASPy/nordic."

    How are they exactly "turncoats"? Must all white people look, act, and feel similar? Do white people even have the liberty to make their own racial decisions?
    , @Anonymous
    I don't think bee hives are analogous. In bee hives, there's one reproducing female, and the rest of the bees are sterile and closely related.

    Most people in a nation are not sterile, and there's generally no advantage for a person to sacrifice for his nation.

    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2012/03/03/your-countrys-not-your-blood/
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  60. res says:
    @Corvinus
    "Sorry but there is something very wrong with Macron and his wife. At a very basic instinctive level most know how freakish this is."

    Actually, most people don't view it in the manner you do.

    Actually, most people don’t view it in the manner you do.

    Says Corvinus, the voice of the people.

    Exactly how do you know this?

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  61. Horatio says:

    The key phrase to me in this excellent piece is the following:
    “…the despised native Proles…”
    Just as the American elites hate native Americans, the French elites hate native French. Who are these elites? Are they not of their country and loyal to their country? No, they are not. Further, we’ve seen this movie before:
    The French revolution massacred 2 million French Catholics.
    The Bolsheviks imprisoned, starved and killed their way through Russia, ruthlessly suppressing anything Russian in society.
    German elites since WWII have taught Germans they are so evil, they should welcome the immigrants who are slowly taking over their land.
    No one dare state who these elites are, how they rule in secret, what their plans are for the despised natives.

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    But thinking and informed people do know. Mu fortunately, most have no idea - yet!
    , @englishmike
    Who are these elites? Are they not of their country and loyal to their country? No, they are not. Further, we’ve seen this movie before:
    The French revolution massacred 2 million French Catholics.
    The Bolsheviks imprisoned, starved and killed their way through Russia, ruthlessly suppressing anything Russian in society.


    In the words of Alexander Solzhenitsyn:
    "You must understand, the leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred they tortured and slaughtered millions without a shred of human remorse. It cannot be overstated. Bolshevism committed the greatest human slaughter of all time. The fact that most of the world is ignorant and uncaring about this enormous crime is proof that the global media is in the hands of the perpetrators."
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  62. Apart from the Gentry-Prole, Morlock-Eloi conflict, Europe may experience something similar to the 2016 U.S. electoral upset brought about by voters called the “deplorables”. In Europe, the new class of voters and politicians can be termed the “diacriticals”. Like the Tilden-Hayes electoral crisis in the 1876 U.S. presidential election, we can expect grave, even acute, political crises in Europe touched off by heretofore unknown upstart candidates with names like Macron in France, Cedilla in Spain, and Umlaut in Germany.

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    In Europe, the new class of voters and politicians can be termed the “diacriticals”
     
    If you want to make an umlaut, you've got to break a few eggs.
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  63. @Corvinus
    "There’s no need to be facetious. I think you know full-well that nobody is telling Derb to get a divorce."

    True racial purity would require such action, at least by those conveyed by the Alt-White. And what about ethnic purity? Why should a high-class ethnic group like the English "slum it" with an Italian, who is deemed to be on the lower end of the European totem pole? Or the French "shacking up" with a Russian? Are you the product of ethnic mixing? Shame, shame, shame.

    "I suspect that Derb’s lifestyle reflects exactly what Civic Nationalism is really all about. Immigrants are okay as long as they’re the right sort of immigrants."

    Exactly. The majority of white Americans share the same sentiments. Immigration has been part of our history, and there are people who want it limited for a host of reasons, remembering that their ancestors also had gone through the vetting process, recalling that their ancestors also had been deemed by nativists as "undesirable". Furthermore, the majority of white Americans are other than concerned with race or ethnic mixing, considering it is a person's liberty to "date and mate" with whomever they prefer.

    “Defending Western Civilization”...

    Again, the majority of white Americans are defenders of the civilization they maintain and improve upon...American. Western Civilization is virtually meaningless to them. Why should it be front and center?

    "This is the best that the Dissident Right and the Alt-Lite can show for themselves, and it proves that they aren’t realistic."

    I thought "No enemies on my right". Why are you airing dirty laundry? Take it behind closed doors regarding your "disapproval" of this group.

    "Civic Nationalism is an empty ideology. White Nationalism is strength in practice."

    White nationalism will flounder, especially among those in the Alt Right who insist that the United States is not a nation founded on a proposition. Only the founding stock, those from the British Isles, are the “original Americans”. They tout the non-British were unable to appreciate AND have a knack for perverting our representative form of government on the grounds that its foundational underpinnings are specifically peculiar to the British Isles. So, if your ancestors came from Ireland, Germany, Italy, and Russia, you are in essence a “fake” American.

    Best wishes getting your average white American to support this position.

    Corvinus, there is no point in talking to you. You understand nothing about the people you dispute with. It’s as if you cannot see their minds at all.

    I’m not going to accuse you of trolling. I believe you really are just that obtuse. If ever you came to glimpse, even for a moment, exactly what your interlocutors have been talking about all this time, you would be wracked by such pangs of humility and cognitive dissonance that you would tear your own eyeballs out, Oedipus-wise.

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    "If ever you came to glimpse, even for a moment, exactly what your interlocutors have been talking about all this time, you would be wracked by such pangs of humility and cognitive dissonance that you would tear your own eyeballs out, Oedipus-wise."

    Why don't you offer me this "glimpse" rather than run away like the Antifa when the heat gets too hot in the kitchen?
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  64. Corvinus says:
    @neutral
    First of all, Americans are just a fraction of the world population, second despite the endless saturation bombing the population has been subjected to socially engineer it, there is absolutely zero chance that such a relationship will not be discussed by most Americans. If you cannot seriously understand that such relationship will not be a big gossip topic and that such a relationship will not evoke "what the hell is going here" as the first thought when learning about this, then I think you are suffering from autism.

    “First of all, Americans are just a fraction of the world population, second despite the endless saturation bombing the population has been subjected to socially engineer it, there is absolutely zero chance that such a relationship will not be discussed by most Americans.”

    I said concern themselves about this matter. Most Americans COULD discuss it (including children and teenagers?), but in the end there are more important items on their plate.

    “If you cannot seriously understand that such relationship will not be a big gossip topic and that such a relationship will not evoke “what the hell is going here” as the first thought when learning about this, then I think you are suffering from autism.”

    Gossip about a French leader and his wife is on the extreme low end of the gossip meter. Stop sperging. Maybe to YOU it will elicit that response, but to most Americans, it’s NOT going to register.

    Again, how does their situation personally impact your own life?

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  65. Realist says:
    @Ximenes

    That’s what the French Gentry thought before the Revolution and the guillotine. If this were true there would be no backlash against the Gentry.
     
    The big difference is that back then, the Jews were on the side of the Revolution. Today, they are part of the ruling elite. The word Gentry, which suggests a rural, land owning elite, should not be used to describe today's urban elite. A true gentry would have a lot in common with the native peasantry.

    “The word Gentry, which suggests a rural, land owning elite, should not be used to describe today’s urban elite. A true gentry would have a lot in common with the native peasantry.”

    I agree. But dividing our population into prole and gentry, as Derbyshire did, is too simplistic.
    The gentry by no means run this country that is left to the wealthy and the throne sniffers they employ to control the proles and gentry.
    Charles Murray had an agenda which influenced, many of, the conclusions he reached.

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  66. As far as M. et Madame Macron go, the French have a certain wisdom: Chacun à son goût.

    Same goes for Mr. & Mrs. Derbyshire.

    Mr. Derbyshire is dead-t0-nuts right about the cognitive elite (many of whom produce nothing of use to most people, and form, together with all the bureaucrats and Diversity commissars, what I call the fauxletariat) bamboozling the proles into allowing the elite to divide and rule, especially by the elite importing millions of non-assimilating foreigners and then pitting half the natives against the other half over the Zeroth Amendment “right” to immigrate, and over other social issues such as gay marriage, race, blank slatism, &c. The worst of all this consists in the prole Goodwhites who are nothing but blind useful idiot tools of the elite who $ell out all the proles, the Goodwhite useful idiots and the Bad White “deplorables” alike.

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  67. Corvinus says:
    @Avery
    {Actually, most people don’t view it in the manner you do.}

    Really?
    How do you know?
    Did you personally survey 'most people'?
    Where were those 'most people': US, Europe, Asia,....?

    You don't know how 'most people' view it: you are just stating as fact something you have no way of knowing to be true or false.

    “You don’t know how ‘most people’ view it: you are just stating as fact something you have no way of knowing to be true or false.”

    You mean the way that neutral made this comment–“Sorry but there is something very wrong with Macron and his wife. At a very basic instinctive level most know how freakish this is.”

    So, I imagine you will take him to task, right? Or are you just white knighting here?

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    Hey Corvinus: why don't you answer Avery's questions?

    Cite your sources, please, and include links to any relevant websites.

    I mean we all know that insufferable pedantry coupled with a total absence of any original input is your M.O. around here, but geez...at least make an *effort* to respond !

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  68. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    Apart from the Gentry-Prole, Morlock-Eloi conflict, Europe may experience something similar to the 2016 U.S. electoral upset brought about by voters called the "deplorables". In Europe, the new class of voters and politicians can be termed the "diacriticals". Like the Tilden-Hayes electoral crisis in the 1876 U.S. presidential election, we can expect grave, even acute, political crises in Europe touched off by heretofore unknown upstart candidates with names like Macron in France, Cedilla in Spain, and Umlaut in Germany.

    In Europe, the new class of voters and politicians can be termed the “diacriticals”

    If you want to make an umlaut, you’ve got to break a few eggs.

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  69. @Jonathan Mason

    rumors of Macron’s homosexuality are likely true (not that queerness tells us anything decisive about a man’s suitability to lead his country.
     
    Oh, I don't know. A man who does not have his own biological children may well have a different perspective on the meaning of life, legal matters of human reproduction such as abortion rights and contraception, childcare provisions, education, single sex toilets, sex change surgery paid for by taxpayers, willingness to send soldiers to be killed, women's rights, and so on.

    That is not to say that he is necessarily unsuitable for the top job. At least he will not have children distracting him, or asking him to bomb someone because they have seen pictures of dead children, and he will not have to stay home when his child wakes up sick on a schoolday, but questions need to be asked about his views on matters that pertain to families.

    A closeted queerness does indicate some reason for suspicion! I don’t share the Derb’s tolerance on this point. Powerful homosexuals,it seems,do some crazy stuff.

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  70. @Clyde
    Mohamed's first wife was older than him and wealthy.
    At age 25, Muhammad wed his wealthy employer, the 40-year-old merchant Khadija. This marriage, his first, would be both happy and monogamous; Muhammad would rely on Khadija in many ways, until her death 25 years later.[9][10] They had two sons

    Mohammad had eleven wives. Perhaps some at the some time, I did not look further into the wikipedia entry.
    _________
    Native Proles have pretty much been purged from these successful, globalized cities, leaving them to educated Gentry symbol-manipulators, media and finance types, restaurateurs—and underclass Arabs.

    African blacks too

    The fact that Khadijah al Kubra (a divorced, successful businesswoman) is considered the Mother of the Ummah, and that it is well known that after the Prophet Muhammad sa allah wa alayhi wa salaam received his first revelation he went home to her and said “Cover me, I’m scared” should put the rest this nonsense that we hate strong women, believe women should be slaves and disregard love between man and woman.

    I’m proud to have that history as part of my religious heritage.

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    Your 'Prophet' was a brutal mass murdering rapist who also assassinated his critics, can you imagine such shocking behaviour from Jesus or Buddha.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%27Asma%27_bint_Marwan

    Then (occurred) the sariyyah of `Umayr ibn `Adi Ibn Kharashah al-Khatmi against `Asma' Bint Marwan, of Banu Umayyah Ibn Zayd, when five nights had remained from the month of Ramadan, in the beginning of the nineteenth month from the hijrah of the apostle of Allah. `Asma' was the wife of Yazid Ibn Zayd Ibn Hisn al-Khatmi. She used to revile Islam, offend the prophet and instigate the (people) against him. She composed verses. Umayr Ibn Adi came to her in the night and entered her house. Her children were sleeping around her. There was one whom she was suckling. He searched her with his hand because he was blind, and separated the child from her. He thrust his sword in her chest until it pierced up to her back. Then he offered the morning prayers with the prophet at al-Medina. The apostle of Allah said to him: "Have you slain the daughter of Marwan?" He said: "Yes. Is there something more for me to do?" He [Muhammad] said: "No two goats will butt together about her". This was the word that was first heard from the apostle of Allah. The apostle of Allah called him `Umayr, "basir" (the seeing).
     
    Lowest of the low no wonder Islam is so fucked up, its founder assassinated female poets!
    , @Eustace Tilley (not)
    Islam's a religion with class:
    At prayer, do not let your wind pass;
    Point your arse towards the sky,
    Promised Whorehouse on High
    Where the Prophet did ride his white ass.
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  71. lavoisier says: • Website
    @neutral
    Sorry but there is something very wrong with Macron and his wife. At a very basic instinctive level most know how freakish this is. It requires no further explanation, his relationship is strange across all societies across all time, its biologically aberrant. I suppose though that under the current climate where people like Bruce Jenner are declared beautiful women this makes sense in this new twisted world though.

    Unusual yes. Freakish: No.

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  72. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    The French have a weird cultural quirk in which it is not seen as weird for a young man to receive his sexual initiation at the hands of an older woman. Worth pointing out is that the entire corpus of French literature in the 1800s, is, I swear, all about a young man on the make falling in love with/becoming obsessed with an older married society woman (usually a titled lady). The subtext of all this literature is that she is a rung he is using to climb into high society. She has contacts, money, and power. She would not attract him at all if she had none of these things.

    Brigitte Macron’s parents were wealthy chocolate-makers in a family business that makes millions of euros. She’s an heiress from that alone. Her first husband was a banker (who, according to an article, held an executive level-position in an international bank) who was also the son of a French diplomat, and he appears to have come from the rich elite. If Brigitte divorced him, her family would be able to hook her up with a good lawyer who could take banker-guy to the cleaners, and making her even richer afterwards.

    If other words, if Macron married his teacher, he’d become a millionaire at age 18. For some men, marrying an older woman is worth that kind of money. Macron’s a guy who looks after his own personal interest, and people have noted he seems to have no principles. His behavior is exactly what a greedy, self-interested guy would do. His wife, in coming from the chocolatiers and marrying the banker, appears to be a determined social climber of her own. A wife like her is useful to a young man who intends to claw his way up to the position of Prime Minister of France. Her ambition helps push his along, and he knows he needs an ambitious, confident woman beside him if he want to reach the top. I think it was C. Northcote Parkinson who said that if you want to reach the top, you can’t marry the average girl next door. She will be uncomfortable in the social circles you intend to move among, and she will be a millstone around your neck and hold you back. You’re better off marrying the boss’s daughter, or, in this context, a rich women who is comfortable socializing with the French elite.

    As for the whole gay thing. Maybe. He did, after all, take a drama class, which is the traditional favorite of narcissistic gays. He may be bisexual more than anything else.

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    Going after married women is an old tradition in most European and American cultures. The main reason was birth control or unreliability of it. Plus the tradition of sexual chastity and restraint, doing the right thing and marrying the woman a man impregnated and shotgun marriages. A married women's child is by law everywhere the child of the husband. DNA will probably change that. Also in most countries it was illegal "to seduce a virgin" for most of history. Although its hard on the husband, it's more honorable to impregnate a safe and secure married woman than a young unmarried girl.

    Actor James Dean was the product of adultery and foisted on his Mother's husband his legal father. Actress Dianna Cooper was one of several of her Mother's children foisted on her Mother's husband.

    So there was no problem of the young man having to marry his lover as she had a husband. Henry James had at least 2 novels where this was mentioned. A lot of married woman breathe a sigh of relief when the kids start looking like the husband and paternal relatives.
    , @DWB
    Finally, someone here hits on an unspoken (likely) truth.
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  73. Rod1963 says:

    What is the same is that, as Charles Murray has so thoroughly chronicled, the Gentry are above all a cognitive elite. They are smarter than Proles. That makes it easier for them to maintain control. They can bamboozle and outfox the Proles. It’s an unequal contest.

    I don’t know about smarter. What makes the elites so difficult to deal with is that they control the MSM, academia and most intellectuals are beholden to them. The MSM itself acts as a gatekeeper and secular priesthood for the establishment. It has kept populists and other unapproved of rising politicians from gaining power and condemns movements, values and persons that the elite don’t like as well promoting cultural garbage and mindlessness to keep the proles baffled.

    Much like the MSM does in the U.S.

    The first step that the masses ought to take is view their respective MSM organs as nothing more than their version of Tass and Pravda. Propaganda organs, nothing more.

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  74. KenH says:

    On a more serious note, Macron stated this weekend that he wants to levy sanctions against Poland for refusing to accept African and Muslim “migrants”. Macron is just Angela Merkel in a man suit and will soon be the darling of the Jewish supremacists and self hating European elites if he isn’t already. He is a Soros stooge who continue the transformation of France into a third world feeding and breeding zone like every other formerly white, Western nation.

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  75. @Corvinus
    "THANK YOU!!! Derbyshire is a degenerate."

    Please cite the relevant Bible passages, with interpretation, regarding how and why Jesus would
    castigate people for race mixing. Otherwise, you are a fake Christian.

    "This man has no right to tell his own children they cannot befriend or date blacks because their mother is not white!!"

    Do not men and women have the liberty to "date and mate" with whomever they prefer? Under what authority do you have to judge people in this fashion?

    "The reason I point him out is because new readers to the AltRt have to be made aware of a degeneracy within the AltRt."

    Do not individual members of the Alt Right have the liberty to decide for themselves who is under their tent?

    "That somehow Asians are kosher. They are not. Most Asians have low IQs."

    Obviously you are not familiar with HbD or race realism.

    "Jews have high intermarriage rates with blacks/Asians. Jews can have no part of the West. "

    The West, according to most white Americans, is NOT their concern, nor should it be.

    "I think he writes these columns in some bizarre attempt to atone for the horrible sins he has committed by marrying a Chinese woman."

    Again, how is it "sinful" for a Christian white to marry a Christian non-white? Please elaborate.

    I was going to reply to you in Fred Reed’s column about Christianity. You queried me about my Christianity and heresies.

    First, are you Roman Catholic? If so, do you accept black/Asians priests-popes?

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    "First, are you Roman Catholic? If so, do you accept black/Asians priests-popes?"

    Yes. Absolutely.
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  76. Incitatus says:
    @jacques sheete
    Despite the lessons of history, I find it astonishing and amusing that there are actually people who'd vote for such a piece of work, in expectation of some sort of deliverance from who knows what.

    However, I'm not going to get too excited over it either way since village idiots have, and always will be present. It takes village idiots to vote for them too. There is little new under the sun.

    The spiteful Clemenceau found a formula in praising “la noble candeur” of the American President,[Wilson]. All Frenchmen knew that “candeur” could be translated as candor but just as adequately as the simplicity of the village idiot...

    Harold Nicolson, a junior British diplomatic specialist, was appalled at the ignorance of the men who were remaking the map of the world. Wilson came airily into a room to learn about the Tyrol and Fiume. He asked about the dividing line between Fiume and Sushak. Ashak, Nicolson tactfully corrected-a suburb divided from Fiume by a mere rivulet. “This is called giving expert advice,” Nicolson remarks. “It is appalling that these ignorant and irresponsible men should be cutting (the map) to bits as if they were dividing a cake . . . The happiness of millions being decided that way . . . Their decisions are immoral and impracticable.”


    - George Morgenstern, The Professional Pandora, a review of Mr. Wilson's War, by John Dos Passos
    Modern Age , Summer 1963, pp. 327-330
    http://www.unz.org/Pub/ModernAge-1963q3-00327

     

    “Despite the lessons of history, I find it astonishing and amusing that there are actually people who’d vote for such a piece of work [Macron], in expectation of some sort of deliverance from who knows what.”

    “However, I’m not going to get too excited over it either way since village idiots have, and always will be present. It takes village idiots to vote for them too. There is little new under the sun.”

    Indeed, words of deep wisdom prefacing yet another irrelevant pasted quote. A Delphic specialty it seems. But, of course, you’re brimming “with the lessens of history.” Must be uncomfortable.

    Nonetheless, you’re quite the sage. A Solon of our time. At least as long as you can cut-and-paste quotes by long-dead scholars. A remarkable achievement! Make you feel wise?

    Tell us. Do “village idiots” know how to spell their own screen names “Jacues/Jacques”?

    PS. How’s your GED coming?
    PPS. Don’t forget to label me ‘troll’ – woiuldn’t want to mislead readers.

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    He believes that there is no other source of information than Wikepedia.
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  77. Art says:
    @attilathehen
    THANK YOU!!! Derbyshire is a degenerate. His wife and Asian daughter supported and voted for Obama. And yet, Derbyshire wants the white West preserved as a safe haven for his degenerate offspring. He also wrote an article about talking to kids about blacks. This man has no right to tell his own children they cannot befriend or date blacks because their mother is not white!! In another article he made a comment about obese white women. If they've produced enough children to replace the race, no one cares what they look like after the age of 45. He is an atheist and doesn't understand Christians. But when it's time for his Asian woman to celebrate her pagan ancestor worship, he helps her with her rituals. The reason I point him out is because new readers to the AltRt have to be made aware of a degeneracy within the AltRt. That somehow Asians are kosher. They are not. Most Asians have low IQs. The only Asians that were able to build a modern, democratic country were the Japanese. I respect what they've done, but that doesn't mean I want to turn Japanese. Derbyshire is also philosemitic. Jews have high intermarriage rates with blacks/Asians. Jews can have no part of the West. Deep down, Derbyshire has deep regrets of having married a Chinese woman and producing Asian offspring. Instead of exiling himself for his last years (he is 70 years old), I think he writes these columns in some bizarre attempt to atone for the horrible sins he has committed by marrying a Chinese woman.

    Derbyshire is a degenerate. His wife and Asian daughter supported and voted for Obama. And yet, Derbyshire wants the white West preserved as a safe haven for his degenerate offspring.

    What hateful sicko crap!

    The cross fertilization of Europeans and Asians produce beautiful people.

    In all likelihood, the third or fourth generation of this human mix would produce a superior race.

    Peace — Art

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    Peace? Are you a Muslim? If yes, you have nothing to do with the West.

    Name me one Eurasian country.

    "In all likelihood.." No, many of these mixes marry other Asians, Jews or blacks. It is a genetic loss for Derbyshire.
    , @jamie b.
    "The cross fertilization of Europeans and Asians produce beautiful people."

    Couldn't agree more. Eurasians are highly attractive people.
    , @Duke of Qin
    To be completely blunt, you have no idea what you are talking about. Eurasians are not some master race but rather closer to a bastard race, accepted by neither side of their ancestry as complete belonging. You should read what actual Eurasians themselves think and write before concocting a fantasy of what it means.

    You can read what the children of such relationships have to say at Reddit Hapas.
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  78. Alden says:
    @naro
    He was 15 and she was his 39 yo teacher when she attacked him. This is all part of the powerful pedophilia lobby trying to take over the international agenda. FRANCE WILL NOT ACCEPT A PEDOPHILE AS FIRST LADY!!!!!!!!!

    Are you French?

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  79. Druid says:
    @Horatio
    The key phrase to me in this excellent piece is the following:
    "...the despised native Proles..."
    Just as the American elites hate native Americans, the French elites hate native French. Who are these elites? Are they not of their country and loyal to their country? No, they are not. Further, we've seen this movie before:
    The French revolution massacred 2 million French Catholics.
    The Bolsheviks imprisoned, starved and killed their way through Russia, ruthlessly suppressing anything Russian in society.
    German elites since WWII have taught Germans they are so evil, they should welcome the immigrants who are slowly taking over their land.
    No one dare state who these elites are, how they rule in secret, what their plans are for the despised natives.

    But thinking and informed people do know. Mu fortunately, most have no idea – yet!

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  80. Alden says:

    She’s a perfect Nordic beauty. I bet she was drop dead gorgeous at 39. Look at that bone structure, especially the chin and jaw and big, perfectly spaced eyes. I admire her for getting a neck lift as well as a face lift. A lifted 45 year looking old face on top of a wrinkled old lady neck and jowls is just horrible and makes the face lift useless. The Dr didn’t stretch her eyes sideways either. I wonder if the cheekbones are natural and just look prominent because she is so thin or are naturally that way? And her hair is a natural light brown instead of that horrible old lady blonde.

    Look at her arm. She’s very thin. French women can get hypothyroid medicine to jack up the metabolism even if their thyroid function is normal. Wonder if she’s on that or just fasts 2 days a week.

    All in all, a beauty. French first ladies keep a much lower profile than American first ladies. They are just Madame so and so not the first lady. And as far as I know they don’t have those annoying causes. They don’t run around to every institution for photo ops.

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  81. Alden says:
    @Anon
    The French have a weird cultural quirk in which it is not seen as weird for a young man to receive his sexual initiation at the hands of an older woman. Worth pointing out is that the entire corpus of French literature in the 1800s, is, I swear, all about a young man on the make falling in love with/becoming obsessed with an older married society woman (usually a titled lady). The subtext of all this literature is that she is a rung he is using to climb into high society. She has contacts, money, and power. She would not attract him at all if she had none of these things.

    Brigitte Macron's parents were wealthy chocolate-makers in a family business that makes millions of euros. She's an heiress from that alone. Her first husband was a banker (who, according to an article, held an executive level-position in an international bank) who was also the son of a French diplomat, and he appears to have come from the rich elite. If Brigitte divorced him, her family would be able to hook her up with a good lawyer who could take banker-guy to the cleaners, and making her even richer afterwards.

    If other words, if Macron married his teacher, he'd become a millionaire at age 18. For some men, marrying an older woman is worth that kind of money. Macron's a guy who looks after his own personal interest, and people have noted he seems to have no principles. His behavior is exactly what a greedy, self-interested guy would do. His wife, in coming from the chocolatiers and marrying the banker, appears to be a determined social climber of her own. A wife like her is useful to a young man who intends to claw his way up to the position of Prime Minister of France. Her ambition helps push his along, and he knows he needs an ambitious, confident woman beside him if he want to reach the top. I think it was C. Northcote Parkinson who said that if you want to reach the top, you can't marry the average girl next door. She will be uncomfortable in the social circles you intend to move among, and she will be a millstone around your neck and hold you back. You're better off marrying the boss's daughter, or, in this context, a rich women who is comfortable socializing with the French elite.

    As for the whole gay thing. Maybe. He did, after all, take a drama class, which is the traditional favorite of narcissistic gays. He may be bisexual more than anything else.

    Going after married women is an old tradition in most European and American cultures. The main reason was birth control or unreliability of it. Plus the tradition of sexual chastity and restraint, doing the right thing and marrying the woman a man impregnated and shotgun marriages. A married women’s child is by law everywhere the child of the husband. DNA will probably change that. Also in most countries it was illegal “to seduce a virgin” for most of history. Although its hard on the husband, it’s more honorable to impregnate a safe and secure married woman than a young unmarried girl.

    Actor James Dean was the product of adultery and foisted on his Mother’s husband his legal father. Actress Dianna Cooper was one of several of her Mother’s children foisted on her Mother’s husband.

    So there was no problem of the young man having to marry his lover as she had a husband. Henry James had at least 2 novels where this was mentioned. A lot of married woman breathe a sigh of relief when the kids start looking like the husband and paternal relatives.

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  82. They say French politics is now much like US politics. France decides to undergo the process of reverse-imperialism whereby white European homelands are now colonized by demographic imperialists from the Third World. This obvious leads to much headache and confusion.

    So, what is left? Identity Politics and Intersectionality. France likes to pretend that everyone in France will become part of French Republican ideals and Enlightenment values, but that isn’t happening. After all, even white French are now cynically globalist, Americanized, and more concerned with Afro-Homo-Pop Culture than with intellectual ideas or systems of thoughts. French Culture is dead.

    It is fitting that Macron is the leading candidate. He’s a globalist tool. Like Obama and, as it turned out, Trump, he is a nothing. There is a reason why the most passionate issue of globalism is homo-nonsense and infinite-genderism. They focus people’s minds on utter pap. Also, the ‘left’, as beholden to homos who, in turn, are beholden to the globalists, is utterly useless in taking on globalist power. As ‘progressive’ ideology is now about Diversity and Homosexuality, the current forces on the ‘left’ are more than willing to work with Wall Street and Pentagon to force all nations to adopt Open Borders, More Diversity, Homomania, and worship of trannies.

    Intersectionality, like Identity, was stolen by the ‘left’ from the Modern Right. It goes to show the Right was sounder on fundamental matters of power and politics. Nevertheless, the ‘left’ gave the themes of identity and ‘intersectionality’ its own perverse twist, rendering them even more problematic and useless for the preservation of stable socio-political systems.

    There was a time when the Left used to denounce the politics of identity as tribal, atavistic, reactionary, particularist, and xenophobic. The Left urged all of mankind to forgo their cultural identities and tribal-ethnic-national affinities and become part of Universal Man. For Marxists, this meant the brotherhood of workers around the world. It didn’t necessarily mean dissolution of borders, but it meant people around the world would formulate their identities on the basis of class than race, ethnicity, or nation. So, the working classes of all races, nations, and cultures would form an alliance against all repressive elites regardless of race.
    Among the capitalist liberals, the universalist project was essentially be elitist(or bourgeois). They called it cosmopolitanism whereby the best educated individuals, being so knowledgeable and sophisticated, would dissolve traditional or tribalist notions of identity. Committed to meritocracy and excellence, these cosmopolitan elites would find value and form companionship based on comparability of skills, talent, and interest than on something so crude as ethnicity, nationhood, and tribalism. In time, with expanding economies and rising educational attainment among the middle classes, the ideal of cosmopolitanism would go from an elite privilege to a mass reality if all worked according to plan.

    But as things turned out, identity matter after all. Communism couldn’t stamp out nationalism, and if anything, nationalist tensions flared up between the USSR and Red China. Also between Red China and Vietnam, and then between Vietnam and Cambodia. Also, even within the USSR, communism couldn’t eradicate the ethno-national aspirations of various peoples to break free from the Soviet Empire. And despite Soviet domination over Eastern Europe, each Warsaw Pact nation guarded its national identity and heritage.
    And Jewish Leftists who used to preach Marxism, Leninism, Trotskyism, or Stalinism eventually discovered that ideology cannot be a lasting identity. Many reverted to Jewish identity(with proven resilience and richness) and focused on Jewish Power or Zionism.
    Also, the certain non-white groups in the US became troubled by the notion of assimilation. When White America was racially conscious and exclusive toward non-whites, the effective strategy among Jews and non-whites was to weaken white sense of identity and racial uniqueness. After all, whites held most of the power and wealth. White America was America back then. So, in order for Jews and non-whites to gain access to more wealth and power, White America has to be persuaded that Americanism required ALL peoples, whites and non-whites, to forgo their tribal or racial identity and melt into a single pot of a new unity. Many whites resisted this, but many whites accepted it. And as time wore on, White America opted for the melting-pot pact where all peoples would try to be generic ‘Americans’. This would apply to whites, blacks, Jews, Hispanics, and immigrants. But once this new paradigm was achieved, certain non-white groups and Jews began to fret about overall impact of such assimilation. After all, if US is dominated by whites, assimilation into the melting pot means non-whites and Jews forgoing their own identities & roots and succumbing to dominant whiteness. They would become ersatz-whites. So, the very people on the Left(dominated by Jews) who’d once pressured White America to let go of its racial identity and commit to a molten-identity of ‘Americanism’ became the ones who found value in the Politics of Identity. Thus arose Multi-Culturalism. Even though whites were pressured and expected to surrender their identity(mocked as ‘bland’ and ‘white-bread’), non-whites and Jews were encouraged to defend and radicalize their own identities against whiteness.
    This was also useful in promoting ‘white guilt’, an effective weapon for Jewish Power in paralyzing white power and unity of purpose. Melting Pot ideal may have offended white race-ists, but it still favored White-ness uber alles since whites comprised the solid majority of Americans well into the 80s. So, if assimilation were indeed the magic formula for America, it meant that non-whites and Jews should become more like whites and conform to white culture & standards. This might have worked if the only minorities in the US were Asians and Mexicans, as both groups generally tend to follow, obey, and imitate. But blacks came to see white people as ‘weak’ and ‘wussy’. Black men came to look down on ‘slow fa**oty-ass white boys’ and didn’t want to surrender their macho Negro manhood. Also, even if blacks had wanted to assimilate to whiteness, the difference between whiteness and blackness was too stark to ignore.
    If they’d so wished, Jews could have assimilated into whiteness like swarthy Southern Italians and Turkmen-looking Greeks did. And Jews might have done just that if not for their exclusive sense of identity/superiority and higher IQ. Being smarter and pushy, Jews felt that they could and should become the ruling elites of America. To become such, they mustn’t assimilate into whiteness and become mere imitation-wasps(as some Conservatives wishes Jews to be).. Also, the wily Jewish personality found whiteness too stiff and stuffy. Once Jews reach the top, whites(and others) could assimilate into Jewishness. After all, the object of assimilation has primacy over subject of assimilation. The subject assimilates into the object, so the object swallows the subject. It’s like the food assimilates into the eater. Jews prefer to digest others into Jewishness than have Jewishness be digested into gentile-ness. We see this in Chelsea Clinton, Ivanka Trump, and Amy Chua. They assimilated into Jewishness, and their kids are raised as Jewish. Thus, the Best and the Brightest(and prettiest) among the goyim offer their wombs to Jews, and the kids of high IQ Jews and high IQ goyim are raised as Jews and serve Jewish Power.

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    So, the logic of the Jewish Left came full circle. The very people who’d been denouncing the politics of identity as ‘reactionary’ came to promote identity as ‘progressive’. But of course, there is one danger to promoting identity politics. It can spawn the politics of white nationalism. After all, if identity is good enough for non-whites, why not for whites as well? This logic is partly behind the emergence of the Alt Right.
    Problematically, multiculturalism among most non-whites is an identity-of-against, not an identity-of-for. Multiculturalism in the West does not encourage non-whites to grow closer to their own race, heritage, history, culture, and territory. Indeed, if multiculturalists really believe that preservation of identity and heritage are so important, they should be anti-immigration since immigrants usually lose a sense of who they are and whence they came. Greeks in America know very little about Greece. Japanese in Brazil know and care little about Japan. Multi-culturalism does little to foster preservation of identity and heritage. If anything, it urges all nations around the world to surrender to Hollywood culture, Western PC, homomania, and feminism. Multiculturalism is a sleight-of-hand trick. It fools non-whites in the West into believing they are empowered by the Ideology of Diversity. But this cult of Diversity is then interwoven with homomania, feminism, and other Western pathologies. So, when Multiculturalists pretend to embrace Muslims, they don’t really care about Islam perse. And they care less about helping Muslim-Americans to maintain their Islamic ways. Rather, they make a show of embracing Muslims to associate Islam with Diversity laced with homomania, feminism, and decadence. Multiculturalists who denounce ‘Islamophobia’ are not trying to spread Sharia in the West. They are trying to inject homomania and feminism into Muslim-ness. They did just that with Christianity already.

    Multiculturalism is not an identity-of-for. Under its influence, non-whites have little idea what they are for. For example, Asian multiculturalists are not encouraged to feel closer to Asian identity, heritage, culture, and territory. If anything, they are urged to cut themselves off from their own roots in their homelands and resettle in the West. So, what is their identity under Multiculturalism? It is merely the identity of pretend-victimhood. They are to identify as ‘victims of white racism and white privilege’. Their identity is AGAINST whiteness rather than FOR Asian-ness. Since their main identity is defined in terms of being AGAINST certain peoples/cultures, they not only turn anti-white but eventually anti-Asian as well because Asian nations are still FOR something: Asian homeland, Asian ethnicity, Asian culture, Asian history. The AGAINST mentality finds meaning only in attacking and diminishing anything that is FOR. Against-ism is a habit of mind that comes to loathe any form of For-ism.

    And this is the gambit that the West is playing with Muslims. This embrace of Muslims by the Multi-culti ‘left’ seems contradictory. After all, Muslims have ways, values, and manners that are so at odds with Western decadence, degeneracy, and inversion of values. So, why would the West be friendly with people who have no use for feminists and homos? The hope is that, over time, the Muslims will also develop an identity or mental habit that is more AGAINST than FOR. Once that happens, these against-ist Muslims(whose highest value is homomania, feminism, and rap culture) will wage war on for-ist Muslims.

    The basis for the current alliance between Jews and Muslims, two groups who really hate each other in the Middle East and even in the West(due to Middle East politics), is untenable in the long run because ‘leftist’ politics of identity is too thin and shallow for long-term bonding. Against-ism can never serve as strong glue for anything.
    Jews and Muslims hate one another, but they are both AGAINST white nationalism as embodied by Donald Trump(even though he has been exposed as just another toady of Zionists). It is useful for Jews to portray Trump-as-Hitler even as Trump grovels before Jews. Jews and Muslims have particular reasons for being anti-white-nationalist. Jews want to keep their supremacist control in the West and fear white identity politics as a potential challenge to their power and privilege. Muslims want entry into the West for better material lives, and they fear white nationalism as an obstacle for this opportunity. Therefore, Trump-as-Islamophobe meme is a boon to Jews. It offers reprieve to the Jewish-Muslim tensions in the West. Under Obama, when mass-immigration faced no obstacles, there was the rise of the BDS movement. Muslims and Arab-Americans joined with others to condemn Israel and Zionism. But now that Muslims’ main concern is ensure continued Muslim immigration, they are willing to shush up, at least for now, about Israel-Palestinian problems and collaborate with Zionists against Trump.

    Anyway, even though the ‘left’ stole the Politics of Identity from the Modern Right, its formulation remains shallow since it is essentially an identity-of-against. An identity defined AGAINST whites has no value without the bogeyman of White Evil. Indeed, this is the pathological crisis of the Left in a nutshell. Essentially defined in terms of AGAINST(whatever evil of the current year), it has no meaning unless there is another war to wage against something.
    In contrast, the identity-of-for has great value even without enemies or dragons to slay. A true Greek patriot is happy to be a person of Greek ancestry and heritage regardless of whether there are or aren’t enemies. He is a proud Greek under Turkish rule and without Turkish rule. In contrast, an identity-of-against feels empty and meaningless unless it’s pitted against something. Multiculturalism offers shallow identities to all its adherents because it doesn’t encourage non-whites to grow meaningfully closer to their own race, culture, and heritage. (But then, if non-whites did just that, they would turn genuinely tribal and resist serving a mega-coalition of various tribes manipulated by Jewish elites against whites.) Rather, it tells them to define their identity mainly in terms of ‘victimhood’ under whites. So, without the Evil Whitey to hate, their identity has no meaning. Leftists and Multi-cultists suffer from a kind of ‘thunderlust’. They must thunder and rail at something to feel justified. Their identity has inner calm or innate meaning. It’s about constant complaint and whining about something or someone else. It is an identity of vanity of feeling a**holier-than-thou.

    Even so, politics of identity, even when shallowly defined, may lead to politics of identity of depth. Some might start digging deeper into their own identities and find something richer and far more meaningful than constant griping about Evil Whitey. (This is exactly what happened to some Jewish leftists. Initially, these secular Jews who’d rejected Jewish identity adopted Jewish identity of victimhood, especially in relation to the Holocaust. Under this shallow formulation, Jewishness had meaning AGAINST the anti-Semites and Nazis. But over time, some of these Jews rediscovered value in Jewishness that went deeper than the ever-shifting winds of politics.)
    And this is one reason why Jewish Power decided to unleash homomania, especially on the white community. If politics of identity can lead to the rise of white identity politics as well, what better way to muck it up by making homo-identity the holy identity among whites? Indeed, given the burden of ‘white guilt’, whites have been craving for some kind of tribal expression. But by rules of PC, whiteness is too tainted for any kind of pride or power. So, whites were offered the outlet of Zionism as the Other Americanism or the Outpost of Western Civilization, and many white Christians channeled all their frustrated tribal-racial energies into rooting for Israel. But that was never going to be enough for all whites. So, whites were bombarded with homomania as supposedly the fullest flowering of whiteness. Notice how white homos are among the most celebrated, praised, and admired in the media. So, the subconscious message became whiteness-is-redeemed-through-anno-sodomini. Is it any wonder that so many whites flocked to homomania? It is one area where whites are allowed to be dominant without apology. In all other respects, ‘too many whites’ or ‘white power’ is suspect as being tainted with ‘white privilege’. But white homos are blessed for their homo-ness. So, a gathering of white homos and celebration of white homos are a kind of whiteness that has been washed of ‘white guilt’. This is the paradox of White Morality in the Current Year. White guilt feelings can only be washed with white shameful acts(of homo fecal penetration).

    The ‘left’ stole not only the politics of identity from the Modern Right. It also stole the politics of ‘intersectionality’ from fascism. What is ‘intersectionality’ but a leftist twist on fascist theory of corporatism? To better understand this, consider the contrasting strategies of the radical left and modern right in the interwar years following WWI.
    The radical left gave us Marxism/Communism. It sought to stamp out all contradictions and create a mono-ideological system. Everything in the radical leftist state had to conform to Marxist principles and communist methods. Since communism is atheist, religions had to be stamped out. Since communism is for the proles against the bourgeoisie, the business class had to be wiped out. Since communism is revolutionary and anti-reactionary, the Old had to be smashed and destroyed. Radical leftism was mono-logical. It has one idea, and everything had to submit to that idea. Otherwise, it had to be destroyed, crushed, or banished. There was little or no room for compromise, cooperation, or sharing of power. All power and control must be in hands of the radical left.

    In contrast, fascism strove for an ‘intersectionality’ among the various forces of society. Mussolini was an atheist(and used to be a militant one as a syndicalist-socialist), but as a fascist, he came to value the Catholic Church for its role in Italian history and society. So, unlike Bolsheviks who waged ruthless war on the Russian Orthodox Church, the Italian Fascists came to an understanding with the Church. The result was the Lateran Pact. Also, Fascists acknowledged that economics isn’t just about the righteousness of a single class. There was and always will be a class of workers. And there was and always will be a class of businessmen and managers. So, the sensible thing was not to destroy the business class or enslave the working class. The solution was to arrive at an understanding among the classes so that all would fulfill their necessary roles in society. Also, even though Italian Fascists promoted science and technology(and modernity), they also came to see value in tradition, heritage, and legacy. Therefore, it wasn’t inevitable for the forces of tradition and forces of modernity to be in a state of constant warfare where compromise was impossible. Fascism could arrive at ways in which tradition and modernity would not only tolerate one another but support one another.
    The reason why there was far less violence and terror in Fascist Italy and National Socialist Germany was because they opted for ‘intersectionality’ among various classes, between secular institutions and the church, between the traditional sources of power/prestige and new forces in ascendance in politics & culture. (Of course, Hitler threw it all way when he opted for inter-European imperialism and violated the nationalist principles of neighboring nations, but that is another story.) In contrast, communist nations were far drabber, drearier, and marked by dread since their mono-logical systems were Procrustean in bending and twisting everything into a single mold.

    So, the current ‘leftist’ fad about ‘intersectionality’ was really lifted from the Modern Right. But when used by the ‘left’, it can only be a fad and fashion because ‘leftist’ machinations of ‘intersectionalities’ are almost always utterly shallow, cynical, conditional, opportunistic, flimsy, and superficial.
    Fascism searched for ‘intersectional’ potentialities of depth and substance. For ‘intersectionality’ to be effective and stable, the common thread woven through the various forces has to be real and meaningful. So, if Italian bourgeoisie, Italian proletariat, Italian peasants, Italian artists, Italian Catholics, Italian secularists, Italian military-men, Italian traditionalists, Italian modernists, Italian scientists, Italian writers, and etc. all have their differences and contradictions among one another, what is the common thread that holds all of them together? Italian-ness! However their respective views or values may differ from one another, they could at least come to an understanding on the basis that what they have in common, Italian-ness, is far more important than what they have in contrast. As fellow Italians with shared history and heritage on the same territory, they surely have common interest in making their nation better, richer, more powerful, more productive, and more creative. And with this understanding, they could be more forgiving of other Italians with whom they disagree. Also, each could do its own thing to contribute to the larger improvement of Italy with the knowledge that all other sectors are also committed to serving Italy. Italian patriotism can bring together an Italian capitalist and Italian socialist. Italian capitalist may be good at business, and an Italian socialist may believe in more government involvement. But if both are committed to the betterment of Italy, both can come to respect one another and contribute in their own way.
    Even if their interests sometimes run counter to each other, the differences could be resolved when they look at the bigger picture of “Is it good for Italy?”

    Because the locus of fascism was ethnicity, history, heritage, and territory, its brand of ‘intersectionality’ was sound and stable(as long as the Italy didn’t enter into some mad imperialist venture and reap the wrath of other nations far more powerful, which is exactly what happened when Mussolini foolishly made a pact with pathological Hitler). There is no better ‘intersectionality’ than nationalism. It is the shared sense of blood, soil, and memory that allows various individuals and groups to cooperate and work together despite their divergences in ideas(capitalist or socialist), beliefs(religious or secular), or professions(military men or civilian).
    Nationalism as ‘intersectionality’ has real gravitas. It is the roots that hold all the other parts of the tree together.

    In contrast, the ‘intersectionality’ of the current ‘left’ is ludicrous. Fascist ‘intersectionality’ is about meeting of the roots in the realm of depth. But, ‘leftist intersectionality’ is about the rubbing of branches of different trees at the whim of winds.
    Whatever their differences, an Italian Catholic and an Italian atheist has something real in common in their shared ethnicity and history. Indeed, what they have in common is more powerful than whatever happens to be in their heads.
    In contrast, consider the ‘intersectionality’ among Zionists, Muslims, homos, feminists, blacks, and immigrants. They have NOTHING OF SUBSTANCE in common. Zionists and Muslims hate one another and find common ‘ground’ only in their fear of white nationalism(as challenge to Jewish supremacist power or hindrance to Muslim immigration to the West). Elite feminists and blacks have nothing in common except their scapegoating of ‘white men’ as the source of all problems. They may pretend to have something common and compelling in their commitment to equality and diversity, but more diversity only leads to more inequality — just take a look at California — , and furthermore, a term like ‘equality’ is too vague to mean anything definite. Notice every group invokes ‘equality’ to mean something different, usually, “We want bigger share of the pie”. For blacks, ‘equality’ means “We ain’t got enough, honkey.” For Jews, it means, “We deserve everything we got, even though we have much more than other groups.” Even libertarians and conservatives invoke ‘equality’ to mean what they want it to mean.

    It is amusing that the ‘left’ bleats on and on about the evils of fascism, but it stole ideas from the Modern Right because the ‘left’ has turned out to be so vacuous and discredited in all its formulations and conceits.

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    The USA is not at all a melting pot, it is stew, all the original ingredients still are there.
    , @Miro23

    So, what is their identity under Multiculturalism? It is merely the identity of pretend-victimhood. They are to identify as ‘victims of white racism and white privilege’. ....... The AGAINST mentality finds meaning only in attacking and diminishing anything that is FOR.
     

    So, without the Evil Whitey to hate, their identity has no meaning. Leftists and Multi-cultists suffer from a kind of ‘thunderlust’. They must thunder and rail at something to feel justified. Their identity has no inner calm or innate meaning. It’s about constant complaint and whining about something or someone else. It is an identity of vanity of feeling a**holier-than-thou.
     
    We've been here before.

    Nietszche's "Ressentiment" is the heart of whining, complaining victimhood with "goodness " defined by how well you can describe your victimhood and pull down the "oppressor". It was the late Medieval Church concept of people being "born guilty" with the only hope of salvation being through Church mediated acts of abasement and penitence.

    And Jewish Bolshevism worked exactly the same way. Defined "classes" were permanently guilty of crimes against the Proletariat with individuals temporarily pardoned if they showed exemplary behaviour as defined by the Bolsheviks. Good behaviour was also encouraged through harsh punishment for incorrect speech.

    In both cases the young were educated from an early age in the formulas of Ressentiment.

    It's true that the Bolsheviks attacked the Church - but this was simply because it was the "Old Church" and they were the "New Church" - not because they rejected its validity as a system of social control.

    Italian patriotism can bring together an Italian capitalist and Italian socialist. Italian capitalist may be good at business, and an Italian socialist may believe in more government involvement. But if both are committed to the betterment of Italy, both can come to respect one another and contribute in their own way.
    Even if their interests sometimes run counter to each other, the differences could be resolved when they look at the bigger picture of “Is it good for Italy?”-
     
    This is "America First", with its emphasis on positive cooperation between different people and classes in a shared national project (all existing races welcome but with closed borders) and it's fatal for "Ressentiment". Hence the hysterical Jewish attacks of Trump when he said those forbidden words - they challenge the whole basis of Jewish power.

    Then there's also the recent memory of Jewish race based activism having been (twice) destroyed by Nationalism.

    Stalin realized that Russia wouldn't unite behind the Bolshevik Jews and their class dialectics in the coming WW2 conflict and decided to liquidated them in the show trials of the late 1930's in favour of Russian Nationalism.

    Hitler also used German Nationalism to destroy the Jewish dominance of Weimar Germany and did the same in Austria-Hungary and in his short lived Eastern Empire. Ironically one of the designated targets in the invasion of Russia were the Jewish Commissars, who Stalin had in fact already mostly removed.
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  83. @Clyde
    Mohamed's first wife was older than him and wealthy.
    At age 25, Muhammad wed his wealthy employer, the 40-year-old merchant Khadija. This marriage, his first, would be both happy and monogamous; Muhammad would rely on Khadija in many ways, until her death 25 years later.[9][10] They had two sons

    Mohammad had eleven wives. Perhaps some at the some time, I did not look further into the wikipedia entry.
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    Native Proles have pretty much been purged from these successful, globalized cities, leaving them to educated Gentry symbol-manipulators, media and finance types, restaurateurs—and underclass Arabs.

    African blacks too

    Mohamed was also a pedophile, so why should we care what he thinks.

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  84. Alden says:
    @Alfa158
    I recall reading during one of the Roman Polanski kerfuffles that he didn't realize he was doing anything particularly bad because the age of consent in France was 14. If true, then since Macron was 15 when the affair started it would have been legal. Here in the US it is not, as evidenced by the periodic news scandals of female teachers who were caught banging their underage students and get shipped off to do time in the cold stony.
    As an ex-teenage boy, I still can't see where they did anything illegal as long as the teacher is single.

    Polanski’s girl was barely 13 and short slim and looked very young. He also had to drug her so she couldn’t object. and he sodomized her because he didn’t have any condoms around. So it was not a consensual encounter, even in France.

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  85. @Art

    Derbyshire is a degenerate. His wife and Asian daughter supported and voted for Obama. And yet, Derbyshire wants the white West preserved as a safe haven for his degenerate offspring.
     
    What hateful sicko crap!

    The cross fertilization of Europeans and Asians produce beautiful people.

    In all likelihood, the third or fourth generation of this human mix would produce a superior race.

    Peace --- Art

    Peace? Are you a Muslim? If yes, you have nothing to do with the West.

    Name me one Eurasian country.

    “In all likelihood..” No, many of these mixes marry other Asians, Jews or blacks. It is a genetic loss for Derbyshire.

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    “In all likelihood..” No, many of these mixes marry other Asians, Jews or blacks. It is a genetic loss for Derbyshire.

    We are more than our genetics. How we live, how we raise our children has more to do with the future then does our genetic makeup.

    In our current world, culture dominates living. Nurture dominates nature.

    A good brain is useless unless nurtured by culture.

    The reason that Western culture is successful is because at its hopeful best, it is inclusive – not exclusive. Anyone that is respectful of life, hopeful, loving, truthful, and forgiving - is welcome.

    Peace --- Art
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  86. Matra says:
    @Alfa158
    I recall reading during one of the Roman Polanski kerfuffles that he didn't realize he was doing anything particularly bad because the age of consent in France was 14. If true, then since Macron was 15 when the affair started it would have been legal. Here in the US it is not, as evidenced by the periodic news scandals of female teachers who were caught banging their underage students and get shipped off to do time in the cold stony.
    As an ex-teenage boy, I still can't see where they did anything illegal as long as the teacher is single.

    I recall reading during one of the Roman Polanski kerfuffles that he didn’t realize he was doing anything particularly bad because the age of consent in France was 14

    Drugging someone then raping them, as Polanski did, is every bit as illegal in France as it is in the USA.

    Incidentally, Marine Le Pen wants him extradited to the US to face justice.

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  87. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    ‘Western values’!!!

    https://www.facebook.com/wahgwaanmediatv/videos/257359648033355/

    This is what white soldiers in the Middle East are fighting, killing, and dying for.

    This is ‘inclusion’ and ‘diversity’. Globalist culture.

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  88. jamie b. says:
    @Art

    Derbyshire is a degenerate. His wife and Asian daughter supported and voted for Obama. And yet, Derbyshire wants the white West preserved as a safe haven for his degenerate offspring.
     
    What hateful sicko crap!

    The cross fertilization of Europeans and Asians produce beautiful people.

    In all likelihood, the third or fourth generation of this human mix would produce a superior race.

    Peace --- Art

    “The cross fertilization of Europeans and Asians produce beautiful people.”

    Couldn’t agree more. Eurasians are highly attractive people.

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  89. Skeptikal says:
    @neutral
    Sorry but there is something very wrong with Macron and his wife. At a very basic instinctive level most know how freakish this is. It requires no further explanation, his relationship is strange across all societies across all time, its biologically aberrant. I suppose though that under the current climate where people like Bruce Jenner are declared beautiful women this makes sense in this new twisted world though.

    The longer they are married, the closer they get in age . . .
    That is, the ratio of 17 to 42 is a lot different from 39 to 64. Macron is slowly catching up. I can understand that a horny 17-year-old doesn’t really care how he gets to have some sex, and the tradition of young men being “tutored” in the art of love is very venerable in France.

    The big question to me is what a 42-year-old sees in a 17-year-old as a life partner—he is like a son. And when she is his teacher (not the love tutor type of teacher), there is something else wrong with the situation. An adult has a great deal of psychological power over a teenager. That is increased when the adult has the authority of a teacher. Who do you think made the first move here?

    Something wrong with this. I have had correspondence with a woman in France who takes issue with criticism of Mme Macron–”She is very competent.” But since she has in some sense been pushed forward along with him, she is fair game for criticism. As a couple they are fair game.

    And it is quite possible that they are a “lavender” couple and she married him to provide a social figleaf for him—possibly also for herself. Why no children? Nothing wrong with being gay, but if that is the case, there is something wrong with the subterfuge.

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    The longer they are married, the closer they get in age . . .
    That is, the ratio of 17 to 42 is a lot different from 39 to 64. Macron is slowly catching up
     
    But the disparity in ages will never satisfy the classical formula that the woman should be at least half the man's age plus seven years, because the formula results in a negative number in Macron's situation.

    If it was the other way around, the relative gap in ages would indeed have narrowed to the point where it was no longer a scandal.
    , @Art Deco
    And it is quite possible that they are a “lavender” couple and she married him to provide a social figleaf for him—possibly also for herself. Why no children?

    She was 41 when she met him. Children were not an option except through adoption. She already had 3 children with her previous husband, one of whom is two years older than her current husband.
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  90. @Horatio
    The key phrase to me in this excellent piece is the following:
    "...the despised native Proles..."
    Just as the American elites hate native Americans, the French elites hate native French. Who are these elites? Are they not of their country and loyal to their country? No, they are not. Further, we've seen this movie before:
    The French revolution massacred 2 million French Catholics.
    The Bolsheviks imprisoned, starved and killed their way through Russia, ruthlessly suppressing anything Russian in society.
    German elites since WWII have taught Germans they are so evil, they should welcome the immigrants who are slowly taking over their land.
    No one dare state who these elites are, how they rule in secret, what their plans are for the despised natives.

    Who are these elites? Are they not of their country and loyal to their country? No, they are not. Further, we’ve seen this movie before:
    The French revolution massacred 2 million French Catholics.
    The Bolsheviks imprisoned, starved and killed their way through Russia, ruthlessly suppressing anything Russian in society.

    In the words of Alexander Solzhenitsyn:
    “You must understand, the leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred they tortured and slaughtered millions without a shred of human remorse. It cannot be overstated. Bolshevism committed the greatest human slaughter of all time. The fact that most of the world is ignorant and uncaring about this enormous crime is proof that the global media is in the hands of the perpetrators.”

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    Where does Solsjenytsyn write this ?
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  91. @Sean
    A 15 year old Macron (displaying his large Gallic hooter) kissing his future wife, the now 7 times grandmother HERE. Macron does not have any biological children with his good lady, who happens to be a heiress. She obviously shagged him; sorry, met him, when he was not yet 16 years old-- she was his drama teacher (Why is it always drama and music teachers who get jiggy with their pupils?). Anyway, given the lack of kids, unlike any other other pres of the country he surely will not be having affairs with beautiful actresses, and the rumors of Macron's homosexuality are likely true (not that queerness tells us anything decisive about a man's suitability to lead his country).

    Native Proles have been purged in favour of Poles.The Euro-communist (Italian and Parti communiste français) theoreticians long ago identified immigration as a transparent attempt to create a larger reserve army of unemployed workers to keep the price of labour down. The EU is about the slowest growing area in the world, (youth unemployment 25 per cent in France, 40 per cent in Italy and Spain).


    BBC:French National Front: Far right or hard left? Roger Denis, a 41-year-old haulier from the eastern city of Nancy, feels his job is threatened. “My company uses a lot of Polish drivers,” he says. “I have nothing against them, but they are working for 800 euros a month (£650; $1,100). They have Polish number plates, but of course they work in France.” Patrick Cathala is in an even more precarious position. Five years ago he lost his construction job, and he too regards himself as a victim of Europe’s open-border policies. “I’m unemployed because firms prefer to hire workers from Romania, Bulgaria, Portugal or Spain. They’re letting all those people in. What am I supposed to do?”
     
    According to the EU, those Poles ect taking jobs in France are not immigrants because their homeland is in the EU. Marine LePen absolutely has to be against free movement within the EU, which amounts to being against the whole thing. Germany and southern/eastern European governments and people love the EU, the masses in Italy and France increasingly hate it.

    But the EU is the only way out for the French elite (at its core, bankers), The succession of unelected technocrat governments in Italy presaged Marcon . Italy has had no rise in living standard since 2000. ITALY WILL quit the eurozone if the standard of living does not improve, the head of Germany's Institute for Economic Research said (Jan 2017).


    France is part of the eurozone, and a win for Le Pen might have cast doubt on the future of the single currency project. This may explain why markets rallied strongly all across the eurozone. Indeed, stocks in Italy rose even more sharply than in France, as Italy has been widely viewed as a potential domino if the euro should start to unravel. (10-year bonds offer considerably higher yields than German, French and Dutch bonds, and even higher yields than Spanish bonds.

    Italy has a massive public debt -third largest in the world
     

     
    Who owns this debt?

    http://wolfstreet.com/2016/07/10/contagion-from-italian-banking-meltdown-apart-french-german-banks/
    As Die Welt reports, the total exposure of French banks to Italian debt exceeds €250 billion. That’s triple the amount of exposure of the second most exposed European nation, Germany, whose banks hold €83.2 billion worth of Italian bonds.
     

    http://www.politico.eu/article/emmanuel-macron-plan-win-germany-france-election-2017/
    Assuming eurozone populations sign off on a tighter union, Macron could turn to the bigger task of proposing a eurozone budget, parliament and finance minister.
     
    According to Thilo Sarrazin, French banks need the tighter union EU (German taxpayer) financial backstop for the bad loans. If Italy leaves the EU and explicitly welshes on the loans by French banks, France will financially implode. Macron (who the germans love) is being brought in to get the tighter union though with the French people. The German establishment long for Germany being cocooned safely in a tighter European union single economic area for export and geopoltical reasons, so to pay off the french the poor German taxpayer will get their orders, which will be obeyed without question.

    Brexit was mainly an anti EU immigration vote. It is the Poles ect who are really hurting her LePen's supporters and she needs to advocate leaving the EU to stand any chance of getting elected. A LePen win will raise a real prospect of France being bankrupted. I think the only realistic solution would be waiting till she wins, then immediately announcing that France will definitively not be leaving the EU, and is willing to accept an even closer union. France could cut right down on immigration from outside the EU, but it would have to accept the Poles ect.

    Brexit was mainly an anti EU immigration vote.

    Brexit was a referendum on whether we wanted to “leave” or to “remain in” the EU. Call me a boring literalist, but I answered the question on the ballot paper. No-one asked my opinion on immigration.

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    Controlling immigration was important for the Brexit voters, no doubt about it.
    , @Sean
    I meant that the result of the referendum was mainly due to a large number of leave votes by English working class people, inarticulately and unreported, but very disgruntled with massive and unending immigration of Polish, Romanian ect workers who are being used to keep wages down by business.

    The Brexiteer pro Leave campaign people I'm hearing now now are free market ideologues all for continuing EU immigration of low cost workers. The business and political establishment, which was pro Remain, are similarly in favour of continuing EU immigration of cheap workers.
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  92. Art says:
    @attilathehen
    Peace? Are you a Muslim? If yes, you have nothing to do with the West.

    Name me one Eurasian country.

    "In all likelihood.." No, many of these mixes marry other Asians, Jews or blacks. It is a genetic loss for Derbyshire.

    “In all likelihood..” No, many of these mixes marry other Asians, Jews or blacks. It is a genetic loss for Derbyshire.

    We are more than our genetics. How we live, how we raise our children has more to do with the future then does our genetic makeup.

    In our current world, culture dominates living. Nurture dominates nature.

    A good brain is useless unless nurtured by culture.

    The reason that Western culture is successful is because at its hopeful best, it is inclusive – not exclusive. Anyone that is respectful of life, hopeful, loving, truthful, and forgiving – is welcome.

    Peace — Art

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    First, you did not answer my question about being a Muslim.

    Next, "A good brain is useless unless nurtured by culture. No a good brain needs an IQ of 90+. The only race with such an IQ is the Caucasian/European race. Asians, blacks are second and third.

    The ancient Egyptians (Caucasians) were destroyed by miscegenation with blacks.

    The ancient Indians (Aryans) were destroyed by miscegenation with Asians.

    The reason Western culture is successful is because it is white, not Asian or black. It is not an inclusive culture. Blacks/Asians had nothing to do with the West.

    You did not name one Eurasian country.
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  93. @Jonathan Mason
    I think Orwell married on his deathbed so as to bequeath his literary estate to Sonia (Brownell) Orwell who seems to have been a bit of a literary groupie, and the character of Julia in Nineteen Eighty-Four may have been based on her. Of course, Orwell knew he was gravely ill with TB, but he died a bit sooner than he expected. What she expected, we don't know. Anyway, I am sure she cheered him up in his last days.

    Orwell's first wife died while undergoing surgery (probably for fibroid tumours) while he was working as a reporter overseas. At the time the cost of blood transfusions was very high, and he was poor, and corners may have been cut. Hard to know if Orwell felt guilt for her early death. At the time, around World War II many people died early (including my grandmother who died from TB like Orwell, when she was still in her 20's) and it was not the done thing to exhibit too much grief. Stiff upper lip, and all that.

    Here’s another picture of Sonia Orwell née Brownell. She was good looking.

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  94. Truth says:
    @attilathehen
    THANK YOU!!! Derbyshire is a degenerate. His wife and Asian daughter supported and voted for Obama. And yet, Derbyshire wants the white West preserved as a safe haven for his degenerate offspring. He also wrote an article about talking to kids about blacks. This man has no right to tell his own children they cannot befriend or date blacks because their mother is not white!! In another article he made a comment about obese white women. If they've produced enough children to replace the race, no one cares what they look like after the age of 45. He is an atheist and doesn't understand Christians. But when it's time for his Asian woman to celebrate her pagan ancestor worship, he helps her with her rituals. The reason I point him out is because new readers to the AltRt have to be made aware of a degeneracy within the AltRt. That somehow Asians are kosher. They are not. Most Asians have low IQs. The only Asians that were able to build a modern, democratic country were the Japanese. I respect what they've done, but that doesn't mean I want to turn Japanese. Derbyshire is also philosemitic. Jews have high intermarriage rates with blacks/Asians. Jews can have no part of the West. Deep down, Derbyshire has deep regrets of having married a Chinese woman and producing Asian offspring. Instead of exiling himself for his last years (he is 70 years old), I think he writes these columns in some bizarre attempt to atone for the horrible sins he has committed by marrying a Chinese woman.

    It’s getting loud in here, Derb.

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  95. Truth says:

    More like “menopausal” Ken.

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  96. Corvinus says:
    @attilathehen
    I was going to reply to you in Fred Reed's column about Christianity. You queried me about my Christianity and heresies.

    First, are you Roman Catholic? If so, do you accept black/Asians priests-popes?

    “First, are you Roman Catholic? If so, do you accept black/Asians priests-popes?”

    Yes. Absolutely.

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    You are part of the problem. Religion cannot overcome IQ deficits among the races. IQ is an objective reality. World history can be summed up in 2 words: IQ.

    Blacks/Asians have the lowest IQs and therefore cannot have a voice in Western matters.
    Christianity works best with Caucasians/Europeans. If blacks/Asians want to be Christian, they must have their own churches. We can now see that miscegenation destroyed Egypt and India. In Caucasian Egypt, mixing with blacks, and in Aryan, India mixing with Asians.

    The RCC is a huge problem because it claims to be the "universal church." This means blacks/Asians must be treated as equals (when they are not). The RCC has to be divided. There is already a de facto schism based on gay marriage, birth control, women priests. The racial divide must now be addressed.

    If you want to worship in a multi-culti church, you can go to Brazil.

    We need a new church for the West.
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  97. Corvinus says:
    @Intelligent Dasein
    Corvinus, there is no point in talking to you. You understand nothing about the people you dispute with. It's as if you cannot see their minds at all.

    I'm not going to accuse you of trolling. I believe you really are just that obtuse. If ever you came to glimpse, even for a moment, exactly what your interlocutors have been talking about all this time, you would be wracked by such pangs of humility and cognitive dissonance that you would tear your own eyeballs out, Oedipus-wise.

    “If ever you came to glimpse, even for a moment, exactly what your interlocutors have been talking about all this time, you would be wracked by such pangs of humility and cognitive dissonance that you would tear your own eyeballs out, Oedipus-wise.”

    Why don’t you offer me this “glimpse” rather than run away like the Antifa when the heat gets too hot in the kitchen?

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    Why don’t you offer me this “glimpse”
     
    Why don't you show me some wetness, he said, standing in the downpour.
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  98. @Art
    “In all likelihood..” No, many of these mixes marry other Asians, Jews or blacks. It is a genetic loss for Derbyshire.

    We are more than our genetics. How we live, how we raise our children has more to do with the future then does our genetic makeup.

    In our current world, culture dominates living. Nurture dominates nature.

    A good brain is useless unless nurtured by culture.

    The reason that Western culture is successful is because at its hopeful best, it is inclusive – not exclusive. Anyone that is respectful of life, hopeful, loving, truthful, and forgiving - is welcome.

    Peace --- Art

    First, you did not answer my question about being a Muslim.

    Next, “A good brain is useless unless nurtured by culture. No a good brain needs an IQ of 90+. The only race with such an IQ is the Caucasian/European race. Asians, blacks are second and third.

    The ancient Egyptians (Caucasians) were destroyed by miscegenation with blacks.

    The ancient Indians (Aryans) were destroyed by miscegenation with Asians.

    The reason Western culture is successful is because it is white, not Asian or black. It is not an inclusive culture. Blacks/Asians had nothing to do with the West.

    You did not name one Eurasian country.

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  99. Ace says:
    @attilathehen
    At least she's not Asian (like Derbyshire's Chinese woman) or black.

    Give it a rest.

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  100. Ace says:
    @Paul Walker - Most beautiful man ever...
    Revised article minus prolix Derb.
    "Macron’s Unusual Marriage Is NOT ok".

    Did you read the article? Just curious.

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  101. Corvinus says:
    @Sean

    So, if your ancestors came from Ireland, Germany, Italy, and Russia, you are in essence a “fake” American.
     
    Rather surprisingly to me it turns out that in those European countries you mention ancestry is descended from exteminationalist Yamnaya warriors (AKA the IndoEuropeans) of the Bronze age. Murderers and whores from the Ukraine were all our ancestors basically.

    Nations are not based on sub-racial categories at all. Nations are as natural as a bee hive and are basically a defensive coalescing of people, more or less homogeneous,but altering slowly in every way including genetically. In a big bad world of uncertin future threats people need help and band together just like bees and ants do.

    Sometimes bees will give up fighting for their hive against a rival hive's attack and join the aggressors to fight against their hivemates loot their own hive. I think those turncoat bees have not been disabused of some theory of their hive's superiority but rather just think if you can't beat them join them. A man or woman of any race can be faithful to their nation and be recognised a a true blue red blooded America It's the American who assist the mass interpolation of immigration that shows themself to not be a real Americans, they are quitters. The turncoat /quitters pure racial type is quite noticeable: so many of them are very WASPy/nordic. I wouldn't be surprised if you were too, Corvie, do you you look like a ideal SS man ?. Hearken to the bees banding together against other groups or free riders within, and understand that your own views may be motivated by the less avowable aspects of human nature no less than in Bernard Mandeville's fable.

    Were you drunk drinking honey flavored beer when you wrote your response? You’re not making much sense.

    “Nations are as natural as a bee hive and are basically a defensive coalescing of people, more or less homogeneous,but altering slowly in every way including genetically.”

    No, nations consist of a group of people who may be heterogenous or homogenous who agree to set rules in a given location, who may or may not be linked genetically.

    “It’s the American who assist the mass interpolation of immigration that shows themself to not be a real Americans, they are quitters.”

    Who are these “real Americans” from your perspective? How are they exactly “quitters”?

    “The turncoat /quitters pure racial type is quite noticeable: so many of them are very WASPy/nordic.”

    How are they exactly “turncoats”? Must all white people look, act, and feel similar? Do white people even have the liberty to make their own racial decisions?

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    Exactly what is going on is obscure but we know bees in a hive can communicate with each other, cooperate on hive tasks and even take collective decisions through debate, after a fashion, so the analogy with human nations is not as ludicrous as you think. I'm not sure that humans decisions collective or individual are any less motivated by unconscious impulses that bees are. Humans are better at coming up with rationales or excuses for acting for survival, Cognitive dissonance more than anything.else is human

    How are they exactly “turncoats”? Must all white people look, act, and feel similar? Do white people even have the liberty to make their own racial decisions?
     
    No one can alter their race, but I think most would respect someone who is patriotic and makes sacrifice for the common good. Sneering at the concept of nationality by attatching it to a subrace as you do by claiming that it is exclusive to WASPs is a racial attack on others' concept of patriotism. I think that is free-riding or at least switching to what you think is the winning side is a decision. No one was stopping you though.
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  102. @Skeptikal
    The longer they are married, the closer they get in age . . .
    That is, the ratio of 17 to 42 is a lot different from 39 to 64. Macron is slowly catching up. I can understand that a horny 17-year-old doesn't really care how he gets to have some sex, and the tradition of young men being "tutored" in the art of love is very venerable in France.

    The big question to me is what a 42-year-old sees in a 17-year-old as a life partner---he is like a son. And when she is his teacher (not the love tutor type of teacher), there is something else wrong with the situation. An adult has a great deal of psychological power over a teenager. That is increased when the adult has the authority of a teacher. Who do you think made the first move here?

    Something wrong with this. I have had correspondence with a woman in France who takes issue with criticism of Mme Macron--"She is very competent." But since she has in some sense been pushed forward along with him, she is fair game for criticism. As a couple they are fair game.

    And it is quite possible that they are a "lavender" couple and she married him to provide a social figleaf for him---possibly also for herself. Why no children? Nothing wrong with being gay, but if that is the case, there is something wrong with the subterfuge.

    The longer they are married, the closer they get in age . . .
    That is, the ratio of 17 to 42 is a lot different from 39 to 64. Macron is slowly catching up

    But the disparity in ages will never satisfy the classical formula that the woman should be at least half the man’s age plus seven years, because the formula results in a negative number in Macron’s situation.

    If it was the other way around, the relative gap in ages would indeed have narrowed to the point where it was no longer a scandal.

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  103. Alden says:
    @Che Guava
    Macron's wife looks like a monster of plastic surgery, almost to matching Bruce Jenner's, who looks like a monster in recent shots where he has unwisely taken on-line advice to not wear full make-up all of the time.

    Macron's wife is a monster, but she has her skin tightened like Citizen Cohn, and wears a massive and ridiculous wig (like Jenner, only more ridiculous).

    Does her pinched face, with the aim of looking like a narrow-chinned porcelain doll, have any capacity for expression?

    It does not.

    It does look like a wig and a not very well tended wig at that.

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  104. Alden says:
    @Incitatus
    “Despite the lessons of history, I find it astonishing and amusing that there are actually people who’d vote for such a piece of work [Macron], in expectation of some sort of deliverance from who knows what.”

    “However, I’m not going to get too excited over it either way since village idiots have, and always will be present. It takes village idiots to vote for them too. There is little new under the sun.”


    Indeed, words of deep wisdom prefacing yet another irrelevant pasted quote. A Delphic specialty it seems. But, of course, you’re brimming “with the lessens of history.” Must be uncomfortable.

    Nonetheless, you’re quite the sage. A Solon of our time. At least as long as you can cut-and-paste quotes by long-dead scholars. A remarkable achievement! Make you feel wise?

    Tell us. Do “village idiots” know how to spell their own screen names “Jacues/Jacques”?

    PS. How’s your GED coming?
    PPS. Don’t forget to label me ‘troll’ - woiuldn’t want to mislead readers.

    I find Mr fecal matter’s endless clip and paste annoying as well. Even worse are his demands for the”source” of other’s comments.

    He believes that there is no other source of information than Wikepedia.

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  105. Alden says:
    @jacques sheete
    Despite the lessons of history, I find it astonishing and amusing that there are actually people who'd vote for such a piece of work, in expectation of some sort of deliverance from who knows what.

    However, I'm not going to get too excited over it either way since village idiots have, and always will be present. It takes village idiots to vote for them too. There is little new under the sun.

    The spiteful Clemenceau found a formula in praising “la noble candeur” of the American President,[Wilson]. All Frenchmen knew that “candeur” could be translated as candor but just as adequately as the simplicity of the village idiot...

    Harold Nicolson, a junior British diplomatic specialist, was appalled at the ignorance of the men who were remaking the map of the world. Wilson came airily into a room to learn about the Tyrol and Fiume. He asked about the dividing line between Fiume and Sushak. Ashak, Nicolson tactfully corrected-a suburb divided from Fiume by a mere rivulet. “This is called giving expert advice,” Nicolson remarks. “It is appalling that these ignorant and irresponsible men should be cutting (the map) to bits as if they were dividing a cake . . . The happiness of millions being decided that way . . . Their decisions are immoral and impracticable.”


    - George Morgenstern, The Professional Pandora, a review of Mr. Wilson's War, by John Dos Passos
    Modern Age , Summer 1963, pp. 327-330
    http://www.unz.org/Pub/ModernAge-1963q3-00327

     

    That quote is totally off topic.

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  106. Alden says:
    @attilathehen
    THANK YOU!!! Derbyshire is a degenerate. His wife and Asian daughter supported and voted for Obama. And yet, Derbyshire wants the white West preserved as a safe haven for his degenerate offspring. He also wrote an article about talking to kids about blacks. This man has no right to tell his own children they cannot befriend or date blacks because their mother is not white!! In another article he made a comment about obese white women. If they've produced enough children to replace the race, no one cares what they look like after the age of 45. He is an atheist and doesn't understand Christians. But when it's time for his Asian woman to celebrate her pagan ancestor worship, he helps her with her rituals. The reason I point him out is because new readers to the AltRt have to be made aware of a degeneracy within the AltRt. That somehow Asians are kosher. They are not. Most Asians have low IQs. The only Asians that were able to build a modern, democratic country were the Japanese. I respect what they've done, but that doesn't mean I want to turn Japanese. Derbyshire is also philosemitic. Jews have high intermarriage rates with blacks/Asians. Jews can have no part of the West. Deep down, Derbyshire has deep regrets of having married a Chinese woman and producing Asian offspring. Instead of exiling himself for his last years (he is 70 years old), I think he writes these columns in some bizarre attempt to atone for the horrible sins he has committed by marrying a Chinese woman.

    Did Derbyshire’s wife make him cut down all the trees in front of the house because Devils live in trees? Have they had 20 of her relatives living in their small house all these years?

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  107. @Sean

    Before Greece got the euro, the country some five times was unable to meet its obligations,
     
    Now the Greek elite gets the Germans to meet them, the other south European countries may well need the same. But Italy is not Greece, its's too big and the Italians are tired of almost two decades of stagnating living standards, while their girls migrate to freeze their tits off as topless waitresses in Germany (where sex work is advertised in government jobcentres).

    France never really accepted the euro
     
    France has never accepted that it it so lightweight a country that might the same restructuring (bail out) put as Greece, Portugal Spain and maybe even Italy could. France thinks it is the worlds most advanced country, all the while its objective is mutualisation of obligations, which is basically getting the german taxpayer to backstop the toxic debt Frech bankers got their institutions into with Italy

    Marcon, is a quid pro quo of the French elite with Germany, whereby he as the representative of France'sfinacial expertise convinces French masses to accept they should enter into a deeper union with the rest of the EU,for the good of all. The Paris sense the Italians are getting restive and they may be a Italian exit from the EU and refusal to pay the loans , which really would hurt affluent denizens of exclusive Paris and make them suffer, they'll create an impression of national doom closing in that will send the country into such a panic that in the countries minds catastrophic bankruptcy will indeed have arrived . Marcon's rise is an example of just what the elite can do along those lines. The Germans want Marcon and the profligate banks and very wealthy elite have no intention of putting national independence before the German taxpayer backstop.


    As the German sociologist Seeckt states ‘the EU problem is that the N states say aganst the S states “become like us”‘.

     

    In a single currency EU market, Germany will deindustrialise all Europe. German products are incomparable good, but expensive in the rest of Europe without a single currency The German taxpayer bail out of Greece ect to keep them in the EU and the single currency working are in effect gifts from ordinary Germans to German business for the purpose of export promotion.

    He did not mention the other problem, the western states saying to the eastern ones also ‘become like us’.
     
    If only they had an economy like ours they were like us the bloody Poles, Romanians ect would not be flooding into France and Britian (Brexit has altered nothing ) and keeping Frech and British workers out of real earning jobs. EU immigration is a big part of rising property prices and the EU immigrants are often taking the resultant construction trades jobs. They are building their own houses in effect. Plus they get to claim British child benefit at British rates in Britain re for their children back home in Poland.

    The masses in Franch and Britain don't want any more immigrating EU workers keeping wages low. Brexit was mainly due to this ,but it hasn't sunk into the flushed with victory free market ideologues of the leave campaign yet. the French working class will have an even harder time, because their elite s cannot countenance a withdrawal from the EU a la Brexit for the reasons mentioned above. assuming she wins the presidency Marine lePen may be able to get away with halting all non European immigration, but to do that (with only FN 2 MPs)she will need give something the establishment ned and I think that means she will have to agree not to withdraw France from the EU and the German money teat.

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  108. @Priss Factor
    They say French politics is now much like US politics. France decides to undergo the process of reverse-imperialism whereby white European homelands are now colonized by demographic imperialists from the Third World. This obvious leads to much headache and confusion.

    So, what is left? Identity Politics and Intersectionality. France likes to pretend that everyone in France will become part of French Republican ideals and Enlightenment values, but that isn't happening. After all, even white French are now cynically globalist, Americanized, and more concerned with Afro-Homo-Pop Culture than with intellectual ideas or systems of thoughts. French Culture is dead.

    It is fitting that Macron is the leading candidate. He's a globalist tool. Like Obama and, as it turned out, Trump, he is a nothing. There is a reason why the most passionate issue of globalism is homo-nonsense and infinite-genderism. They focus people's minds on utter pap. Also, the 'left', as beholden to homos who, in turn, are beholden to the globalists, is utterly useless in taking on globalist power. As 'progressive' ideology is now about Diversity and Homosexuality, the current forces on the 'left' are more than willing to work with Wall Street and Pentagon to force all nations to adopt Open Borders, More Diversity, Homomania, and worship of trannies.

    Intersectionality, like Identity, was stolen by the 'left' from the Modern Right. It goes to show the Right was sounder on fundamental matters of power and politics. Nevertheless, the 'left' gave the themes of identity and 'intersectionality' its own perverse twist, rendering them even more problematic and useless for the preservation of stable socio-political systems.

    There was a time when the Left used to denounce the politics of identity as tribal, atavistic, reactionary, particularist, and xenophobic. The Left urged all of mankind to forgo their cultural identities and tribal-ethnic-national affinities and become part of Universal Man. For Marxists, this meant the brotherhood of workers around the world. It didn't necessarily mean dissolution of borders, but it meant people around the world would formulate their identities on the basis of class than race, ethnicity, or nation. So, the working classes of all races, nations, and cultures would form an alliance against all repressive elites regardless of race.
    Among the capitalist liberals, the universalist project was essentially be elitist(or bourgeois). They called it cosmopolitanism whereby the best educated individuals, being so knowledgeable and sophisticated, would dissolve traditional or tribalist notions of identity. Committed to meritocracy and excellence, these cosmopolitan elites would find value and form companionship based on comparability of skills, talent, and interest than on something so crude as ethnicity, nationhood, and tribalism. In time, with expanding economies and rising educational attainment among the middle classes, the ideal of cosmopolitanism would go from an elite privilege to a mass reality if all worked according to plan.

    But as things turned out, identity matter after all. Communism couldn't stamp out nationalism, and if anything, nationalist tensions flared up between the USSR and Red China. Also between Red China and Vietnam, and then between Vietnam and Cambodia. Also, even within the USSR, communism couldn't eradicate the ethno-national aspirations of various peoples to break free from the Soviet Empire. And despite Soviet domination over Eastern Europe, each Warsaw Pact nation guarded its national identity and heritage.
    And Jewish Leftists who used to preach Marxism, Leninism, Trotskyism, or Stalinism eventually discovered that ideology cannot be a lasting identity. Many reverted to Jewish identity(with proven resilience and richness) and focused on Jewish Power or Zionism.
    Also, the certain non-white groups in the US became troubled by the notion of assimilation. When White America was racially conscious and exclusive toward non-whites, the effective strategy among Jews and non-whites was to weaken white sense of identity and racial uniqueness. After all, whites held most of the power and wealth. White America was America back then. So, in order for Jews and non-whites to gain access to more wealth and power, White America has to be persuaded that Americanism required ALL peoples, whites and non-whites, to forgo their tribal or racial identity and melt into a single pot of a new unity. Many whites resisted this, but many whites accepted it. And as time wore on, White America opted for the melting-pot pact where all peoples would try to be generic 'Americans'. This would apply to whites, blacks, Jews, Hispanics, and immigrants. But once this new paradigm was achieved, certain non-white groups and Jews began to fret about overall impact of such assimilation. After all, if US is dominated by whites, assimilation into the melting pot means non-whites and Jews forgoing their own identities & roots and succumbing to dominant whiteness. They would become ersatz-whites. So, the very people on the Left(dominated by Jews) who’d once pressured White America to let go of its racial identity and commit to a molten-identity of ‘Americanism' became the ones who found value in the Politics of Identity. Thus arose Multi-Culturalism. Even though whites were pressured and expected to surrender their identity(mocked as 'bland' and 'white-bread'), non-whites and Jews were encouraged to defend and radicalize their own identities against whiteness.
    This was also useful in promoting 'white guilt', an effective weapon for Jewish Power in paralyzing white power and unity of purpose. Melting Pot ideal may have offended white race-ists, but it still favored White-ness uber alles since whites comprised the solid majority of Americans well into the 80s. So, if assimilation were indeed the magic formula for America, it meant that non-whites and Jews should become more like whites and conform to white culture & standards. This might have worked if the only minorities in the US were Asians and Mexicans, as both groups generally tend to follow, obey, and imitate. But blacks came to see white people as 'weak' and 'wussy'. Black men came to look down on 'slow fa**oty-ass white boys' and didn't want to surrender their macho Negro manhood. Also, even if blacks had wanted to assimilate to whiteness, the difference between whiteness and blackness was too stark to ignore.
    If they’d so wished, Jews could have assimilated into whiteness like swarthy Southern Italians and Turkmen-looking Greeks did. And Jews might have done just that if not for their exclusive sense of identity/superiority and higher IQ. Being smarter and pushy, Jews felt that they could and should become the ruling elites of America. To become such, they mustn't assimilate into whiteness and become mere imitation-wasps(as some Conservatives wishes Jews to be).. Also, the wily Jewish personality found whiteness too stiff and stuffy. Once Jews reach the top, whites(and others) could assimilate into Jewishness. After all, the object of assimilation has primacy over subject of assimilation. The subject assimilates into the object, so the object swallows the subject. It’s like the food assimilates into the eater. Jews prefer to digest others into Jewishness than have Jewishness be digested into gentile-ness. We see this in Chelsea Clinton, Ivanka Trump, and Amy Chua. They assimilated into Jewishness, and their kids are raised as Jewish. Thus, the Best and the Brightest(and prettiest) among the goyim offer their wombs to Jews, and the kids of high IQ Jews and high IQ goyim are raised as Jews and serve Jewish Power.

    So, the logic of the Jewish Left came full circle. The very people who'd been denouncing the politics of identity as 'reactionary' came to promote identity as 'progressive'. But of course, there is one danger to promoting identity politics. It can spawn the politics of white nationalism. After all, if identity is good enough for non-whites, why not for whites as well? This logic is partly behind the emergence of the Alt Right.
    Problematically, multiculturalism among most non-whites is an identity-of-against, not an identity-of-for. Multiculturalism in the West does not encourage non-whites to grow closer to their own race, heritage, history, culture, and territory. Indeed, if multiculturalists really believe that preservation of identity and heritage are so important, they should be anti-immigration since immigrants usually lose a sense of who they are and whence they came. Greeks in America know very little about Greece. Japanese in Brazil know and care little about Japan. Multi-culturalism does little to foster preservation of identity and heritage. If anything, it urges all nations around the world to surrender to Hollywood culture, Western PC, homomania, and feminism. Multiculturalism is a sleight-of-hand trick. It fools non-whites in the West into believing they are empowered by the Ideology of Diversity. But this cult of Diversity is then interwoven with homomania, feminism, and other Western pathologies. So, when Multiculturalists pretend to embrace Muslims, they don't really care about Islam perse. And they care less about helping Muslim-Americans to maintain their Islamic ways. Rather, they make a show of embracing Muslims to associate Islam with Diversity laced with homomania, feminism, and decadence. Multiculturalists who denounce 'Islamophobia' are not trying to spread Sharia in the West. They are trying to inject homomania and feminism into Muslim-ness. They did just that with Christianity already.

    Multiculturalism is not an identity-of-for. Under its influence, non-whites have little idea what they are for. For example, Asian multiculturalists are not encouraged to feel closer to Asian identity, heritage, culture, and territory. If anything, they are urged to cut themselves off from their own roots in their homelands and resettle in the West. So, what is their identity under Multiculturalism? It is merely the identity of pretend-victimhood. They are to identify as 'victims of white racism and white privilege'. Their identity is AGAINST whiteness rather than FOR Asian-ness. Since their main identity is defined in terms of being AGAINST certain peoples/cultures, they not only turn anti-white but eventually anti-Asian as well because Asian nations are still FOR something: Asian homeland, Asian ethnicity, Asian culture, Asian history. The AGAINST mentality finds meaning only in attacking and diminishing anything that is FOR. Against-ism is a habit of mind that comes to loathe any form of For-ism.

    And this is the gambit that the West is playing with Muslims. This embrace of Muslims by the Multi-culti 'left' seems contradictory. After all, Muslims have ways, values, and manners that are so at odds with Western decadence, degeneracy, and inversion of values. So, why would the West be friendly with people who have no use for feminists and homos? The hope is that, over time, the Muslims will also develop an identity or mental habit that is more AGAINST than FOR. Once that happens, these against-ist Muslims(whose highest value is homomania, feminism, and rap culture) will wage war on for-ist Muslims.

    The basis for the current alliance between Jews and Muslims, two groups who really hate each other in the Middle East and even in the West(due to Middle East politics), is untenable in the long run because ‘leftist’ politics of identity is too thin and shallow for long-term bonding. Against-ism can never serve as strong glue for anything.
    Jews and Muslims hate one another, but they are both AGAINST white nationalism as embodied by Donald Trump(even though he has been exposed as just another toady of Zionists). It is useful for Jews to portray Trump-as-Hitler even as Trump grovels before Jews. Jews and Muslims have particular reasons for being anti-white-nationalist. Jews want to keep their supremacist control in the West and fear white identity politics as a potential challenge to their power and privilege. Muslims want entry into the West for better material lives, and they fear white nationalism as an obstacle for this opportunity. Therefore, Trump-as-Islamophobe meme is a boon to Jews. It offers reprieve to the Jewish-Muslim tensions in the West. Under Obama, when mass-immigration faced no obstacles, there was the rise of the BDS movement. Muslims and Arab-Americans joined with others to condemn Israel and Zionism. But now that Muslims’ main concern is ensure continued Muslim immigration, they are willing to shush up, at least for now, about Israel-Palestinian problems and collaborate with Zionists against Trump.

    Anyway, even though the 'left' stole the Politics of Identity from the Modern Right, its formulation remains shallow since it is essentially an identity-of-against. An identity defined AGAINST whites has no value without the bogeyman of White Evil. Indeed, this is the pathological crisis of the Left in a nutshell. Essentially defined in terms of AGAINST(whatever evil of the current year), it has no meaning unless there is another war to wage against something.
    In contrast, the identity-of-for has great value even without enemies or dragons to slay. A true Greek patriot is happy to be a person of Greek ancestry and heritage regardless of whether there are or aren't enemies. He is a proud Greek under Turkish rule and without Turkish rule. In contrast, an identity-of-against feels empty and meaningless unless it’s pitted against something. Multiculturalism offers shallow identities to all its adherents because it doesn't encourage non-whites to grow meaningfully closer to their own race, culture, and heritage. (But then, if non-whites did just that, they would turn genuinely tribal and resist serving a mega-coalition of various tribes manipulated by Jewish elites against whites.) Rather, it tells them to define their identity mainly in terms of 'victimhood' under whites. So, without the Evil Whitey to hate, their identity has no meaning. Leftists and Multi-cultists suffer from a kind of 'thunderlust'. They must thunder and rail at something to feel justified. Their identity has inner calm or innate meaning. It's about constant complaint and whining about something or someone else. It is an identity of vanity of feeling a**holier-than-thou.

    Even so, politics of identity, even when shallowly defined, may lead to politics of identity of depth. Some might start digging deeper into their own identities and find something richer and far more meaningful than constant griping about Evil Whitey. (This is exactly what happened to some Jewish leftists. Initially, these secular Jews who’d rejected Jewish identity adopted Jewish identity of victimhood, especially in relation to the Holocaust. Under this shallow formulation, Jewishness had meaning AGAINST the anti-Semites and Nazis. But over time, some of these Jews rediscovered value in Jewishness that went deeper than the ever-shifting winds of politics.)
    And this is one reason why Jewish Power decided to unleash homomania, especially on the white community. If politics of identity can lead to the rise of white identity politics as well, what better way to muck it up by making homo-identity the holy identity among whites? Indeed, given the burden of 'white guilt', whites have been craving for some kind of tribal expression. But by rules of PC, whiteness is too tainted for any kind of pride or power. So, whites were offered the outlet of Zionism as the Other Americanism or the Outpost of Western Civilization, and many white Christians channeled all their frustrated tribal-racial energies into rooting for Israel. But that was never going to be enough for all whites. So, whites were bombarded with homomania as supposedly the fullest flowering of whiteness. Notice how white homos are among the most celebrated, praised, and admired in the media. So, the subconscious message became whiteness-is-redeemed-through-anno-sodomini. Is it any wonder that so many whites flocked to homomania? It is one area where whites are allowed to be dominant without apology. In all other respects, 'too many whites' or 'white power' is suspect as being tainted with 'white privilege'. But white homos are blessed for their homo-ness. So, a gathering of white homos and celebration of white homos are a kind of whiteness that has been washed of 'white guilt'. This is the paradox of White Morality in the Current Year. White guilt feelings can only be washed with white shameful acts(of homo fecal penetration).

    The 'left' stole not only the politics of identity from the Modern Right. It also stole the politics of ‘intersectionality’ from fascism. What is 'intersectionality' but a leftist twist on fascist theory of corporatism? To better understand this, consider the contrasting strategies of the radical left and modern right in the interwar years following WWI.
    The radical left gave us Marxism/Communism. It sought to stamp out all contradictions and create a mono-ideological system. Everything in the radical leftist state had to conform to Marxist principles and communist methods. Since communism is atheist, religions had to be stamped out. Since communism is for the proles against the bourgeoisie, the business class had to be wiped out. Since communism is revolutionary and anti-reactionary, the Old had to be smashed and destroyed. Radical leftism was mono-logical. It has one idea, and everything had to submit to that idea. Otherwise, it had to be destroyed, crushed, or banished. There was little or no room for compromise, cooperation, or sharing of power. All power and control must be in hands of the radical left.

    In contrast, fascism strove for an 'intersectionality' among the various forces of society. Mussolini was an atheist(and used to be a militant one as a syndicalist-socialist), but as a fascist, he came to value the Catholic Church for its role in Italian history and society. So, unlike Bolsheviks who waged ruthless war on the Russian Orthodox Church, the Italian Fascists came to an understanding with the Church. The result was the Lateran Pact. Also, Fascists acknowledged that economics isn't just about the righteousness of a single class. There was and always will be a class of workers. And there was and always will be a class of businessmen and managers. So, the sensible thing was not to destroy the business class or enslave the working class. The solution was to arrive at an understanding among the classes so that all would fulfill their necessary roles in society. Also, even though Italian Fascists promoted science and technology(and modernity), they also came to see value in tradition, heritage, and legacy. Therefore, it wasn’t inevitable for the forces of tradition and forces of modernity to be in a state of constant warfare where compromise was impossible. Fascism could arrive at ways in which tradition and modernity would not only tolerate one another but support one another.
    The reason why there was far less violence and terror in Fascist Italy and National Socialist Germany was because they opted for 'intersectionality' among various classes, between secular institutions and the church, between the traditional sources of power/prestige and new forces in ascendance in politics & culture. (Of course, Hitler threw it all way when he opted for inter-European imperialism and violated the nationalist principles of neighboring nations, but that is another story.) In contrast, communist nations were far drabber, drearier, and marked by dread since their mono-logical systems were Procrustean in bending and twisting everything into a single mold.

    So, the current 'leftist' fad about 'intersectionality' was really lifted from the Modern Right. But when used by the 'left', it can only be a fad and fashion because 'leftist' machinations of 'intersectionalities' are almost always utterly shallow, cynical, conditional, opportunistic, flimsy, and superficial.
    Fascism searched for 'intersectional' potentialities of depth and substance. For 'intersectionality' to be effective and stable, the common thread woven through the various forces has to be real and meaningful. So, if Italian bourgeoisie, Italian proletariat, Italian peasants, Italian artists, Italian Catholics, Italian secularists, Italian military-men, Italian traditionalists, Italian modernists, Italian scientists, Italian writers, and etc. all have their differences and contradictions among one another, what is the common thread that holds all of them together? Italian-ness! However their respective views or values may differ from one another, they could at least come to an understanding on the basis that what they have in common, Italian-ness, is far more important than what they have in contrast. As fellow Italians with shared history and heritage on the same territory, they surely have common interest in making their nation better, richer, more powerful, more productive, and more creative. And with this understanding, they could be more forgiving of other Italians with whom they disagree. Also, each could do its own thing to contribute to the larger improvement of Italy with the knowledge that all other sectors are also committed to serving Italy. Italian patriotism can bring together an Italian capitalist and Italian socialist. Italian capitalist may be good at business, and an Italian socialist may believe in more government involvement. But if both are committed to the betterment of Italy, both can come to respect one another and contribute in their own way.
    Even if their interests sometimes run counter to each other, the differences could be resolved when they look at the bigger picture of "Is it good for Italy?"

    Because the locus of fascism was ethnicity, history, heritage, and territory, its brand of 'intersectionality' was sound and stable(as long as the Italy didn't enter into some mad imperialist venture and reap the wrath of other nations far more powerful, which is exactly what happened when Mussolini foolishly made a pact with pathological Hitler). There is no better ‘intersectionality’ than nationalism. It is the shared sense of blood, soil, and memory that allows various individuals and groups to cooperate and work together despite their divergences in ideas(capitalist or socialist), beliefs(religious or secular), or professions(military men or civilian).
    Nationalism as ‘intersectionality’ has real gravitas. It is the roots that hold all the other parts of the tree together.

    In contrast, the 'intersectionality' of the current 'left' is ludicrous. Fascist 'intersectionality' is about meeting of the roots in the realm of depth. But, 'leftist intersectionality' is about the rubbing of branches of different trees at the whim of winds.
    Whatever their differences, an Italian Catholic and an Italian atheist has something real in common in their shared ethnicity and history. Indeed, what they have in common is more powerful than whatever happens to be in their heads.
    In contrast, consider the 'intersectionality' among Zionists, Muslims, homos, feminists, blacks, and immigrants. They have NOTHING OF SUBSTANCE in common. Zionists and Muslims hate one another and find common ‘ground’ only in their fear of white nationalism(as challenge to Jewish supremacist power or hindrance to Muslim immigration to the West). Elite feminists and blacks have nothing in common except their scapegoating of 'white men' as the source of all problems. They may pretend to have something common and compelling in their commitment to equality and diversity, but more diversity only leads to more inequality --- just take a look at California --- , and furthermore, a term like 'equality' is too vague to mean anything definite. Notice every group invokes 'equality' to mean something different, usually, "We want bigger share of the pie". For blacks, 'equality' means "We ain't got enough, honkey." For Jews, it means, "We deserve everything we got, even though we have much more than other groups." Even libertarians and conservatives invoke ‘equality’ to mean what they want it to mean.

    It is amusing that the 'left' bleats on and on about the evils of fascism, but it stole ideas from the Modern Right because the 'left' has turned out to be so vacuous and discredited in all its formulations and conceits.

    The USA is not at all a melting pot, it is stew, all the original ingredients still are there.

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  109. @englishmike
    Brexit was mainly an anti EU immigration vote.

    Brexit was a referendum on whether we wanted to "leave" or to "remain in" the EU. Call me a boring literalist, but I answered the question on the ballot paper. No-one asked my opinion on immigration.

    Controlling immigration was important for the Brexit voters, no doubt about it.

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    ...no doubt about it.

    Because you've asked all of them?

    Jilles, I'm not challenging your opinion, merely reminding you that it is an opinion and thus, at least potentially, open to "doubt".
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  110. @The White Muslim Traditionalist
    The fact that Khadijah al Kubra (a divorced, successful businesswoman) is considered the Mother of the Ummah, and that it is well known that after the Prophet Muhammad sa allah wa alayhi wa salaam received his first revelation he went home to her and said "Cover me, I'm scared" should put the rest this nonsense that we hate strong women, believe women should be slaves and disregard love between man and woman.


    I'm proud to have that history as part of my religious heritage.

    Your ‘Prophet’ was a brutal mass murdering rapist who also assassinated his critics, can you imagine such shocking behaviour from Jesus or Buddha.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%27Asma%27_bint_Marwan

    Then (occurred) the sariyyah of `Umayr ibn `Adi Ibn Kharashah al-Khatmi against `Asma’ Bint Marwan, of Banu Umayyah Ibn Zayd, when five nights had remained from the month of Ramadan, in the beginning of the nineteenth month from the hijrah of the apostle of Allah. `Asma’ was the wife of Yazid Ibn Zayd Ibn Hisn al-Khatmi. She used to revile Islam, offend the prophet and instigate the (people) against him. She composed verses. Umayr Ibn Adi came to her in the night and entered her house. Her children were sleeping around her. There was one whom she was suckling. He searched her with his hand because he was blind, and separated the child from her. He thrust his sword in her chest until it pierced up to her back. Then he offered the morning prayers with the prophet at al-Medina. The apostle of Allah said to him: “Have you slain the daughter of Marwan?” He said: “Yes. Is there something more for me to do?” He [Muhammad] said: “No two goats will butt together about her”. This was the word that was first heard from the apostle of Allah. The apostle of Allah called him `Umayr, “basir” (the seeing).

    Lowest of the low no wonder Islam is so fucked up, its founder assassinated female poets!

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    All you can say is that you think that the Prophet alayhi as salaam was a meanie?
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  111. jim jones says:
    @attilathehen
    At least she's not Asian (like Derbyshire's Chinese woman) or black.

    There are plenty of Chinese girls at the local University and I have to say I find them very attractive. I particularly like the way they gaze adoringly at their boyfriends.

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    jim jones: remember Guyana and the Kool-aid....
    , @Bill
    Like, when they take a break from gazing adoringly at their Prada bags?
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  112. Sean says:
    @Corvinus
    Were you drunk drinking honey flavored beer when you wrote your response? You're not making much sense.

    "Nations are as natural as a bee hive and are basically a defensive coalescing of people, more or less homogeneous,but altering slowly in every way including genetically."

    No, nations consist of a group of people who may be heterogenous or homogenous who agree to set rules in a given location, who may or may not be linked genetically.

    "It’s the American who assist the mass interpolation of immigration that shows themself to not be a real Americans, they are quitters."

    Who are these "real Americans" from your perspective? How are they exactly "quitters"?

    "The turncoat /quitters pure racial type is quite noticeable: so many of them are very WASPy/nordic."

    How are they exactly "turncoats"? Must all white people look, act, and feel similar? Do white people even have the liberty to make their own racial decisions?

    Exactly what is going on is obscure but we know bees in a hive can communicate with each other, cooperate on hive tasks and even take collective decisions through debate, after a fashion, so the analogy with human nations is not as ludicrous as you think. I’m not sure that humans decisions collective or individual are any less motivated by unconscious impulses that bees are. Humans are better at coming up with rationales or excuses for acting for survival, Cognitive dissonance more than anything.else is human

    How are they exactly “turncoats”? Must all white people look, act, and feel similar? Do white people even have the liberty to make their own racial decisions?

    No one can alter their race, but I think most would respect someone who is patriotic and makes sacrifice for the common good. Sneering at the concept of nationality by attatching it to a subrace as you do by claiming that it is exclusive to WASPs is a racial attack on others’ concept of patriotism. I think that is free-riding or at least switching to what you think is the winning side is a decision. No one was stopping you though.

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    "No one can alter their race, but I think most would respect someone who is patriotic and makes sacrifice for the common good. Sneering at the concept of nationality by attatching it to a subrace as you do by claiming that it is exclusive to WASPs is a racial attack on others’ concept of patriotism. I think that is free-riding or at least switching to what you think is the winning side is a decision. No one was stopping you though."

    Are you claiming that ethnicities = sub race? Please elaborate.

    Moreover, I am not the one "claiming that it is exclusive to WASPS". That would be Vox Day.
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  113. Sean says:
    @englishmike
    Brexit was mainly an anti EU immigration vote.

    Brexit was a referendum on whether we wanted to "leave" or to "remain in" the EU. Call me a boring literalist, but I answered the question on the ballot paper. No-one asked my opinion on immigration.

    I meant that the result of the referendum was mainly due to a large number of leave votes by English working class people, inarticulately and unreported, but very disgruntled with massive and unending immigration of Polish, Romanian ect workers who are being used to keep wages down by business.

    The Brexiteer pro Leave campaign people I’m hearing now now are free market ideologues all for continuing EU immigration of low cost workers. The business and political establishment, which was pro Remain, are similarly in favour of continuing EU immigration of cheap workers.

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    I meant that the result of the referendum was mainly due to... etc.

    Sean, I know what you meant: that the referendum result (the "vote") was not about the voters' choice of "remain" or "leave" but about the reasons people voted as they did.

    My point was simpler: you are factually incorrect. People voted (as they do in elections) on the basis of the "question" asked. Their reasons may be simple or they may be many and varied; but as far as the vote is concerned those reasons are irrelevant - except to people who are more interested in discussing their own opinions about why people might have voted as they did.

    My point is simple but I think it vitally important. If we all regarded our own vote, and other people's, in that more objective, uncontentious way, people might be less inclined to destroy what little democracy remains in their society by reacting violently to those who voted differently, on the assumption that the reasons for voting as they did were in some way "deplorable".
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  114. @englishmike
    Who are these elites? Are they not of their country and loyal to their country? No, they are not. Further, we’ve seen this movie before:
    The French revolution massacred 2 million French Catholics.
    The Bolsheviks imprisoned, starved and killed their way through Russia, ruthlessly suppressing anything Russian in society.


    In the words of Alexander Solzhenitsyn:
    "You must understand, the leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred they tortured and slaughtered millions without a shred of human remorse. It cannot be overstated. Bolshevism committed the greatest human slaughter of all time. The fact that most of the world is ignorant and uncaring about this enormous crime is proof that the global media is in the hands of the perpetrators."

    Where does Solsjenytsyn write this ?

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    There is a book, a documentary, "200 hundred years together" by Solzhenitsyn, on the life of Jews in Russia. The facts, presented in this book, have been so intolerable for the "chosen" that none of the main publishing houses in the US and UK dared to publish the book. This is an open sandal. After publishing his documentary in Russia, Solzhenitsyn had become an overnight a pariah for the western "deciders."
    The 20th century genocide of Russian people had been targeting the intellectual flower of the nation: the military corp, clergy, literary men, teachers, scientists and artists. The genocide was initiated and organized by the first Bolshevik government that was predominantly Jewish (80%-85%). For obvious reason, anti-semitism used to be punished as criminal offense in the Soviet Russia.
    A shortened "samizdat" version of the documentary: https://thechosenites.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/200-years-together.pdf
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  115. Where does Solsjenytsyn write this ?

    In his late two-volume work published in 2001 and 2002, Two Hundred Years Together, which has never been published in English.

    You can read about it in Adeyinka Makinde’s pdf document available online: SOLZHENITSYN: The Price of Blacklisting a Nobel Laureate’s Book which says that the work “explored the relations between Jews and Russians dating from thetime when the Russian Empire acquired a substantial Jewish population after the partial annexation ofPo land in 1772 up to the Refusenik-era and Jewish emigration to Israel”.

    Makinde comments that “The book was published in Russia amid fears that it would electrify anti-Semitic sentiment and present an opportunity to calumniate the Jews”.

    I quoted the extract because it was directly relevant to the question raised by “Horatio”, not because I have any knowledge of the topic or bias about Jewish-Russian relations.

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  116. Corvinus says:
    @Sean
    Exactly what is going on is obscure but we know bees in a hive can communicate with each other, cooperate on hive tasks and even take collective decisions through debate, after a fashion, so the analogy with human nations is not as ludicrous as you think. I'm not sure that humans decisions collective or individual are any less motivated by unconscious impulses that bees are. Humans are better at coming up with rationales or excuses for acting for survival, Cognitive dissonance more than anything.else is human

    How are they exactly “turncoats”? Must all white people look, act, and feel similar? Do white people even have the liberty to make their own racial decisions?
     
    No one can alter their race, but I think most would respect someone who is patriotic and makes sacrifice for the common good. Sneering at the concept of nationality by attatching it to a subrace as you do by claiming that it is exclusive to WASPs is a racial attack on others' concept of patriotism. I think that is free-riding or at least switching to what you think is the winning side is a decision. No one was stopping you though.

    “No one can alter their race, but I think most would respect someone who is patriotic and makes sacrifice for the common good. Sneering at the concept of nationality by attatching it to a subrace as you do by claiming that it is exclusive to WASPs is a racial attack on others’ concept of patriotism. I think that is free-riding or at least switching to what you think is the winning side is a decision. No one was stopping you though.”

    Are you claiming that ethnicities = sub race? Please elaborate.

    Moreover, I am not the one “claiming that it is exclusive to WASPS”. That would be Vox Day.

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    Moreover, I am not the one “claiming that it is exclusive to WASPS”. That would be Vox Day.
     
    You search for Nordicist nutzit and then start comment threads with them. And those comment threads let you mix up subracial excusionist rationales for limiting immigration with what is really going on. Yoa are at it so much the casual reader could be fooled into thinking Nordicism is a major strain of thinking here. I think that is your objective.
    , @Sean

    Are you claiming that ethnicities = sub race?
     
    No.

    Please elaborate
     
    No, I think you have dragged that idea into threads (ostensibly to refute it) more than enough already. I will say that Poles' subracial classification is not the reason that French and British workers oppose immigration of them, and capitalists love it.
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  117. Derby is ageist… But mixing race is ok.

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  118. gda says:
    @utu

    Guilluy is a sort of French Charles Murray.
     
    I doubt it. Is Guilluy racist? Was he on the payroll of DGSE all his adult life?

    Clearly you haven’t read Charles Murray and know nothing about him except what the evil left has whispered in your ear. You wouldn’t know “racist” if it walked up to you and kicked you in the nuts, which come to think of it might be a pretty good idea, since it might go some way to clearing your head of nonsense.

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    I know more about Charles Murray than I wish to. He is the best example of CIA operative who after acquiring experience abroad (Thailand) was set to work on the domestic front.

    The Recovered History of Charles Murray
    http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2013/01/project-s-h-a-m-e-the-recovered-history-of-charles-murray.html


    The AIR counter-insurgency program that Charles Murray worked in was designed to serve as a model for the CIA and Pentagon for counter-insurgency operations elsewhere in the world, including back home in the United States. The AIR proposal to the Pentagon stated: “The potential applicability of the findings in the United States will also receive special attention. In many of our key domestic programs, especially those directed at disadvantaged sub-cultures, the methodological problems are similar to those described in this proposal; and the application of the Thai findings at home constitutes a potentially most significant project contribution.”

     


    In a 1994, New York Times interview, Murray admitted that his work in Thailand laid the foundation for his harsh authoritarian politics and policies he later espoused in the United States under the political label “libertarianism.”
     

    Murray returned to the United States in the early-mid 1970s, and began advising law enforcement agencies to impose harsh zero-tolerance measures on inner-city and minority populations. In 1979, Murray co-authored a series of studies on juvenile crime underwritten by the US Department of Justice, titled “Juvenile Corrections and the Chronic Delinquent” calling for mass-jailings of youths — a plan Murray argued was not “philosophically barbaric and expensive.”
     

    To promote Losing Ground, the Manhattan Institute “hired a PR expert to turn the unknown author into a media celebrity” and “paid journalists $500 to $1,500 each to participate in a seminar on Murray and his thought” in a campaign costing six figures. The Nation called it “an extraordinary campaign to sell Murray to the public”; the New Republic concurred, observing, “The Manhattan Institute’s canny innovation is to rely as little as possible on chance — and as much as possible on marketing [to promote Murray’s book]. Of course, money helps too.”
     

    In a 1997 speech at an event hosted by the Libertarian Party of Los Angeles County, Murray cheered the explosion of wealth inequality since the start of the Reagan Revolution, noting that greater concentration of wealth meant the rich had much more political power, “making it harder for politicians to bash the rich than it used to.”
     
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  119. Miro23 says:
    @Priss Factor
    They say French politics is now much like US politics. France decides to undergo the process of reverse-imperialism whereby white European homelands are now colonized by demographic imperialists from the Third World. This obvious leads to much headache and confusion.

    So, what is left? Identity Politics and Intersectionality. France likes to pretend that everyone in France will become part of French Republican ideals and Enlightenment values, but that isn't happening. After all, even white French are now cynically globalist, Americanized, and more concerned with Afro-Homo-Pop Culture than with intellectual ideas or systems of thoughts. French Culture is dead.

    It is fitting that Macron is the leading candidate. He's a globalist tool. Like Obama and, as it turned out, Trump, he is a nothing. There is a reason why the most passionate issue of globalism is homo-nonsense and infinite-genderism. They focus people's minds on utter pap. Also, the 'left', as beholden to homos who, in turn, are beholden to the globalists, is utterly useless in taking on globalist power. As 'progressive' ideology is now about Diversity and Homosexuality, the current forces on the 'left' are more than willing to work with Wall Street and Pentagon to force all nations to adopt Open Borders, More Diversity, Homomania, and worship of trannies.

    Intersectionality, like Identity, was stolen by the 'left' from the Modern Right. It goes to show the Right was sounder on fundamental matters of power and politics. Nevertheless, the 'left' gave the themes of identity and 'intersectionality' its own perverse twist, rendering them even more problematic and useless for the preservation of stable socio-political systems.

    There was a time when the Left used to denounce the politics of identity as tribal, atavistic, reactionary, particularist, and xenophobic. The Left urged all of mankind to forgo their cultural identities and tribal-ethnic-national affinities and become part of Universal Man. For Marxists, this meant the brotherhood of workers around the world. It didn't necessarily mean dissolution of borders, but it meant people around the world would formulate their identities on the basis of class than race, ethnicity, or nation. So, the working classes of all races, nations, and cultures would form an alliance against all repressive elites regardless of race.
    Among the capitalist liberals, the universalist project was essentially be elitist(or bourgeois). They called it cosmopolitanism whereby the best educated individuals, being so knowledgeable and sophisticated, would dissolve traditional or tribalist notions of identity. Committed to meritocracy and excellence, these cosmopolitan elites would find value and form companionship based on comparability of skills, talent, and interest than on something so crude as ethnicity, nationhood, and tribalism. In time, with expanding economies and rising educational attainment among the middle classes, the ideal of cosmopolitanism would go from an elite privilege to a mass reality if all worked according to plan.

    But as things turned out, identity matter after all. Communism couldn't stamp out nationalism, and if anything, nationalist tensions flared up between the USSR and Red China. Also between Red China and Vietnam, and then between Vietnam and Cambodia. Also, even within the USSR, communism couldn't eradicate the ethno-national aspirations of various peoples to break free from the Soviet Empire. And despite Soviet domination over Eastern Europe, each Warsaw Pact nation guarded its national identity and heritage.
    And Jewish Leftists who used to preach Marxism, Leninism, Trotskyism, or Stalinism eventually discovered that ideology cannot be a lasting identity. Many reverted to Jewish identity(with proven resilience and richness) and focused on Jewish Power or Zionism.
    Also, the certain non-white groups in the US became troubled by the notion of assimilation. When White America was racially conscious and exclusive toward non-whites, the effective strategy among Jews and non-whites was to weaken white sense of identity and racial uniqueness. After all, whites held most of the power and wealth. White America was America back then. So, in order for Jews and non-whites to gain access to more wealth and power, White America has to be persuaded that Americanism required ALL peoples, whites and non-whites, to forgo their tribal or racial identity and melt into a single pot of a new unity. Many whites resisted this, but many whites accepted it. And as time wore on, White America opted for the melting-pot pact where all peoples would try to be generic 'Americans'. This would apply to whites, blacks, Jews, Hispanics, and immigrants. But once this new paradigm was achieved, certain non-white groups and Jews began to fret about overall impact of such assimilation. After all, if US is dominated by whites, assimilation into the melting pot means non-whites and Jews forgoing their own identities & roots and succumbing to dominant whiteness. They would become ersatz-whites. So, the very people on the Left(dominated by Jews) who’d once pressured White America to let go of its racial identity and commit to a molten-identity of ‘Americanism' became the ones who found value in the Politics of Identity. Thus arose Multi-Culturalism. Even though whites were pressured and expected to surrender their identity(mocked as 'bland' and 'white-bread'), non-whites and Jews were encouraged to defend and radicalize their own identities against whiteness.
    This was also useful in promoting 'white guilt', an effective weapon for Jewish Power in paralyzing white power and unity of purpose. Melting Pot ideal may have offended white race-ists, but it still favored White-ness uber alles since whites comprised the solid majority of Americans well into the 80s. So, if assimilation were indeed the magic formula for America, it meant that non-whites and Jews should become more like whites and conform to white culture & standards. This might have worked if the only minorities in the US were Asians and Mexicans, as both groups generally tend to follow, obey, and imitate. But blacks came to see white people as 'weak' and 'wussy'. Black men came to look down on 'slow fa**oty-ass white boys' and didn't want to surrender their macho Negro manhood. Also, even if blacks had wanted to assimilate to whiteness, the difference between whiteness and blackness was too stark to ignore.
    If they’d so wished, Jews could have assimilated into whiteness like swarthy Southern Italians and Turkmen-looking Greeks did. And Jews might have done just that if not for their exclusive sense of identity/superiority and higher IQ. Being smarter and pushy, Jews felt that they could and should become the ruling elites of America. To become such, they mustn't assimilate into whiteness and become mere imitation-wasps(as some Conservatives wishes Jews to be).. Also, the wily Jewish personality found whiteness too stiff and stuffy. Once Jews reach the top, whites(and others) could assimilate into Jewishness. After all, the object of assimilation has primacy over subject of assimilation. The subject assimilates into the object, so the object swallows the subject. It’s like the food assimilates into the eater. Jews prefer to digest others into Jewishness than have Jewishness be digested into gentile-ness. We see this in Chelsea Clinton, Ivanka Trump, and Amy Chua. They assimilated into Jewishness, and their kids are raised as Jewish. Thus, the Best and the Brightest(and prettiest) among the goyim offer their wombs to Jews, and the kids of high IQ Jews and high IQ goyim are raised as Jews and serve Jewish Power.

    So, the logic of the Jewish Left came full circle. The very people who'd been denouncing the politics of identity as 'reactionary' came to promote identity as 'progressive'. But of course, there is one danger to promoting identity politics. It can spawn the politics of white nationalism. After all, if identity is good enough for non-whites, why not for whites as well? This logic is partly behind the emergence of the Alt Right.
    Problematically, multiculturalism among most non-whites is an identity-of-against, not an identity-of-for. Multiculturalism in the West does not encourage non-whites to grow closer to their own race, heritage, history, culture, and territory. Indeed, if multiculturalists really believe that preservation of identity and heritage are so important, they should be anti-immigration since immigrants usually lose a sense of who they are and whence they came. Greeks in America know very little about Greece. Japanese in Brazil know and care little about Japan. Multi-culturalism does little to foster preservation of identity and heritage. If anything, it urges all nations around the world to surrender to Hollywood culture, Western PC, homomania, and feminism. Multiculturalism is a sleight-of-hand trick. It fools non-whites in the West into believing they are empowered by the Ideology of Diversity. But this cult of Diversity is then interwoven with homomania, feminism, and other Western pathologies. So, when Multiculturalists pretend to embrace Muslims, they don't really care about Islam perse. And they care less about helping Muslim-Americans to maintain their Islamic ways. Rather, they make a show of embracing Muslims to associate Islam with Diversity laced with homomania, feminism, and decadence. Multiculturalists who denounce 'Islamophobia' are not trying to spread Sharia in the West. They are trying to inject homomania and feminism into Muslim-ness. They did just that with Christianity already.

    Multiculturalism is not an identity-of-for. Under its influence, non-whites have little idea what they are for. For example, Asian multiculturalists are not encouraged to feel closer to Asian identity, heritage, culture, and territory. If anything, they are urged to cut themselves off from their own roots in their homelands and resettle in the West. So, what is their identity under Multiculturalism? It is merely the identity of pretend-victimhood. They are to identify as 'victims of white racism and white privilege'. Their identity is AGAINST whiteness rather than FOR Asian-ness. Since their main identity is defined in terms of being AGAINST certain peoples/cultures, they not only turn anti-white but eventually anti-Asian as well because Asian nations are still FOR something: Asian homeland, Asian ethnicity, Asian culture, Asian history. The AGAINST mentality finds meaning only in attacking and diminishing anything that is FOR. Against-ism is a habit of mind that comes to loathe any form of For-ism.

    And this is the gambit that the West is playing with Muslims. This embrace of Muslims by the Multi-culti 'left' seems contradictory. After all, Muslims have ways, values, and manners that are so at odds with Western decadence, degeneracy, and inversion of values. So, why would the West be friendly with people who have no use for feminists and homos? The hope is that, over time, the Muslims will also develop an identity or mental habit that is more AGAINST than FOR. Once that happens, these against-ist Muslims(whose highest value is homomania, feminism, and rap culture) will wage war on for-ist Muslims.

    The basis for the current alliance between Jews and Muslims, two groups who really hate each other in the Middle East and even in the West(due to Middle East politics), is untenable in the long run because ‘leftist’ politics of identity is too thin and shallow for long-term bonding. Against-ism can never serve as strong glue for anything.
    Jews and Muslims hate one another, but they are both AGAINST white nationalism as embodied by Donald Trump(even though he has been exposed as just another toady of Zionists). It is useful for Jews to portray Trump-as-Hitler even as Trump grovels before Jews. Jews and Muslims have particular reasons for being anti-white-nationalist. Jews want to keep their supremacist control in the West and fear white identity politics as a potential challenge to their power and privilege. Muslims want entry into the West for better material lives, and they fear white nationalism as an obstacle for this opportunity. Therefore, Trump-as-Islamophobe meme is a boon to Jews. It offers reprieve to the Jewish-Muslim tensions in the West. Under Obama, when mass-immigration faced no obstacles, there was the rise of the BDS movement. Muslims and Arab-Americans joined with others to condemn Israel and Zionism. But now that Muslims’ main concern is ensure continued Muslim immigration, they are willing to shush up, at least for now, about Israel-Palestinian problems and collaborate with Zionists against Trump.

    Anyway, even though the 'left' stole the Politics of Identity from the Modern Right, its formulation remains shallow since it is essentially an identity-of-against. An identity defined AGAINST whites has no value without the bogeyman of White Evil. Indeed, this is the pathological crisis of the Left in a nutshell. Essentially defined in terms of AGAINST(whatever evil of the current year), it has no meaning unless there is another war to wage against something.
    In contrast, the identity-of-for has great value even without enemies or dragons to slay. A true Greek patriot is happy to be a person of Greek ancestry and heritage regardless of whether there are or aren't enemies. He is a proud Greek under Turkish rule and without Turkish rule. In contrast, an identity-of-against feels empty and meaningless unless it’s pitted against something. Multiculturalism offers shallow identities to all its adherents because it doesn't encourage non-whites to grow meaningfully closer to their own race, culture, and heritage. (But then, if non-whites did just that, they would turn genuinely tribal and resist serving a mega-coalition of various tribes manipulated by Jewish elites against whites.) Rather, it tells them to define their identity mainly in terms of 'victimhood' under whites. So, without the Evil Whitey to hate, their identity has no meaning. Leftists and Multi-cultists suffer from a kind of 'thunderlust'. They must thunder and rail at something to feel justified. Their identity has inner calm or innate meaning. It's about constant complaint and whining about something or someone else. It is an identity of vanity of feeling a**holier-than-thou.

    Even so, politics of identity, even when shallowly defined, may lead to politics of identity of depth. Some might start digging deeper into their own identities and find something richer and far more meaningful than constant griping about Evil Whitey. (This is exactly what happened to some Jewish leftists. Initially, these secular Jews who’d rejected Jewish identity adopted Jewish identity of victimhood, especially in relation to the Holocaust. Under this shallow formulation, Jewishness had meaning AGAINST the anti-Semites and Nazis. But over time, some of these Jews rediscovered value in Jewishness that went deeper than the ever-shifting winds of politics.)
    And this is one reason why Jewish Power decided to unleash homomania, especially on the white community. If politics of identity can lead to the rise of white identity politics as well, what better way to muck it up by making homo-identity the holy identity among whites? Indeed, given the burden of 'white guilt', whites have been craving for some kind of tribal expression. But by rules of PC, whiteness is too tainted for any kind of pride or power. So, whites were offered the outlet of Zionism as the Other Americanism or the Outpost of Western Civilization, and many white Christians channeled all their frustrated tribal-racial energies into rooting for Israel. But that was never going to be enough for all whites. So, whites were bombarded with homomania as supposedly the fullest flowering of whiteness. Notice how white homos are among the most celebrated, praised, and admired in the media. So, the subconscious message became whiteness-is-redeemed-through-anno-sodomini. Is it any wonder that so many whites flocked to homomania? It is one area where whites are allowed to be dominant without apology. In all other respects, 'too many whites' or 'white power' is suspect as being tainted with 'white privilege'. But white homos are blessed for their homo-ness. So, a gathering of white homos and celebration of white homos are a kind of whiteness that has been washed of 'white guilt'. This is the paradox of White Morality in the Current Year. White guilt feelings can only be washed with white shameful acts(of homo fecal penetration).

    The 'left' stole not only the politics of identity from the Modern Right. It also stole the politics of ‘intersectionality’ from fascism. What is 'intersectionality' but a leftist twist on fascist theory of corporatism? To better understand this, consider the contrasting strategies of the radical left and modern right in the interwar years following WWI.
    The radical left gave us Marxism/Communism. It sought to stamp out all contradictions and create a mono-ideological system. Everything in the radical leftist state had to conform to Marxist principles and communist methods. Since communism is atheist, religions had to be stamped out. Since communism is for the proles against the bourgeoisie, the business class had to be wiped out. Since communism is revolutionary and anti-reactionary, the Old had to be smashed and destroyed. Radical leftism was mono-logical. It has one idea, and everything had to submit to that idea. Otherwise, it had to be destroyed, crushed, or banished. There was little or no room for compromise, cooperation, or sharing of power. All power and control must be in hands of the radical left.

    In contrast, fascism strove for an 'intersectionality' among the various forces of society. Mussolini was an atheist(and used to be a militant one as a syndicalist-socialist), but as a fascist, he came to value the Catholic Church for its role in Italian history and society. So, unlike Bolsheviks who waged ruthless war on the Russian Orthodox Church, the Italian Fascists came to an understanding with the Church. The result was the Lateran Pact. Also, Fascists acknowledged that economics isn't just about the righteousness of a single class. There was and always will be a class of workers. And there was and always will be a class of businessmen and managers. So, the sensible thing was not to destroy the business class or enslave the working class. The solution was to arrive at an understanding among the classes so that all would fulfill their necessary roles in society. Also, even though Italian Fascists promoted science and technology(and modernity), they also came to see value in tradition, heritage, and legacy. Therefore, it wasn’t inevitable for the forces of tradition and forces of modernity to be in a state of constant warfare where compromise was impossible. Fascism could arrive at ways in which tradition and modernity would not only tolerate one another but support one another.
    The reason why there was far less violence and terror in Fascist Italy and National Socialist Germany was because they opted for 'intersectionality' among various classes, between secular institutions and the church, between the traditional sources of power/prestige and new forces in ascendance in politics & culture. (Of course, Hitler threw it all way when he opted for inter-European imperialism and violated the nationalist principles of neighboring nations, but that is another story.) In contrast, communist nations were far drabber, drearier, and marked by dread since their mono-logical systems were Procrustean in bending and twisting everything into a single mold.

    So, the current 'leftist' fad about 'intersectionality' was really lifted from the Modern Right. But when used by the 'left', it can only be a fad and fashion because 'leftist' machinations of 'intersectionalities' are almost always utterly shallow, cynical, conditional, opportunistic, flimsy, and superficial.
    Fascism searched for 'intersectional' potentialities of depth and substance. For 'intersectionality' to be effective and stable, the common thread woven through the various forces has to be real and meaningful. So, if Italian bourgeoisie, Italian proletariat, Italian peasants, Italian artists, Italian Catholics, Italian secularists, Italian military-men, Italian traditionalists, Italian modernists, Italian scientists, Italian writers, and etc. all have their differences and contradictions among one another, what is the common thread that holds all of them together? Italian-ness! However their respective views or values may differ from one another, they could at least come to an understanding on the basis that what they have in common, Italian-ness, is far more important than what they have in contrast. As fellow Italians with shared history and heritage on the same territory, they surely have common interest in making their nation better, richer, more powerful, more productive, and more creative. And with this understanding, they could be more forgiving of other Italians with whom they disagree. Also, each could do its own thing to contribute to the larger improvement of Italy with the knowledge that all other sectors are also committed to serving Italy. Italian patriotism can bring together an Italian capitalist and Italian socialist. Italian capitalist may be good at business, and an Italian socialist may believe in more government involvement. But if both are committed to the betterment of Italy, both can come to respect one another and contribute in their own way.
    Even if their interests sometimes run counter to each other, the differences could be resolved when they look at the bigger picture of "Is it good for Italy?"

    Because the locus of fascism was ethnicity, history, heritage, and territory, its brand of 'intersectionality' was sound and stable(as long as the Italy didn't enter into some mad imperialist venture and reap the wrath of other nations far more powerful, which is exactly what happened when Mussolini foolishly made a pact with pathological Hitler). There is no better ‘intersectionality’ than nationalism. It is the shared sense of blood, soil, and memory that allows various individuals and groups to cooperate and work together despite their divergences in ideas(capitalist or socialist), beliefs(religious or secular), or professions(military men or civilian).
    Nationalism as ‘intersectionality’ has real gravitas. It is the roots that hold all the other parts of the tree together.

    In contrast, the 'intersectionality' of the current 'left' is ludicrous. Fascist 'intersectionality' is about meeting of the roots in the realm of depth. But, 'leftist intersectionality' is about the rubbing of branches of different trees at the whim of winds.
    Whatever their differences, an Italian Catholic and an Italian atheist has something real in common in their shared ethnicity and history. Indeed, what they have in common is more powerful than whatever happens to be in their heads.
    In contrast, consider the 'intersectionality' among Zionists, Muslims, homos, feminists, blacks, and immigrants. They have NOTHING OF SUBSTANCE in common. Zionists and Muslims hate one another and find common ‘ground’ only in their fear of white nationalism(as challenge to Jewish supremacist power or hindrance to Muslim immigration to the West). Elite feminists and blacks have nothing in common except their scapegoating of 'white men' as the source of all problems. They may pretend to have something common and compelling in their commitment to equality and diversity, but more diversity only leads to more inequality --- just take a look at California --- , and furthermore, a term like 'equality' is too vague to mean anything definite. Notice every group invokes 'equality' to mean something different, usually, "We want bigger share of the pie". For blacks, 'equality' means "We ain't got enough, honkey." For Jews, it means, "We deserve everything we got, even though we have much more than other groups." Even libertarians and conservatives invoke ‘equality’ to mean what they want it to mean.

    It is amusing that the 'left' bleats on and on about the evils of fascism, but it stole ideas from the Modern Right because the 'left' has turned out to be so vacuous and discredited in all its formulations and conceits.

    So, what is their identity under Multiculturalism? It is merely the identity of pretend-victimhood. They are to identify as ‘victims of white racism and white privilege’. ……. The AGAINST mentality finds meaning only in attacking and diminishing anything that is FOR.

    So, without the Evil Whitey to hate, their identity has no meaning. Leftists and Multi-cultists suffer from a kind of ‘thunderlust’. They must thunder and rail at something to feel justified. Their identity has no inner calm or innate meaning. It’s about constant complaint and whining about something or someone else. It is an identity of vanity of feeling a**holier-than-thou.

    We’ve been here before.

    Nietszche’s “Ressentiment” is the heart of whining, complaining victimhood with “goodness ” defined by how well you can describe your victimhood and pull down the “oppressor”. It was the late Medieval Church concept of people being “born guilty” with the only hope of salvation being through Church mediated acts of abasement and penitence.

    And Jewish Bolshevism worked exactly the same way. Defined “classes” were permanently guilty of crimes against the Proletariat with individuals temporarily pardoned if they showed exemplary behaviour as defined by the Bolsheviks. Good behaviour was also encouraged through harsh punishment for incorrect speech.

    In both cases the young were educated from an early age in the formulas of Ressentiment.

    It’s true that the Bolsheviks attacked the Church – but this was simply because it was the “Old Church” and they were the “New Church” – not because they rejected its validity as a system of social control.

    Italian patriotism can bring together an Italian capitalist and Italian socialist. Italian capitalist may be good at business, and an Italian socialist may believe in more government involvement. But if both are committed to the betterment of Italy, both can come to respect one another and contribute in their own way.
    Even if their interests sometimes run counter to each other, the differences could be resolved when they look at the bigger picture of “Is it good for Italy?”-

    This is “America First”, with its emphasis on positive cooperation between different people and classes in a shared national project (all existing races welcome but with closed borders) and it’s fatal for “Ressentiment”. Hence the hysterical Jewish attacks of Trump when he said those forbidden words – they challenge the whole basis of Jewish power.

    Then there’s also the recent memory of Jewish race based activism having been (twice) destroyed by Nationalism.

    Stalin realized that Russia wouldn’t unite behind the Bolshevik Jews and their class dialectics in the coming WW2 conflict and decided to liquidated them in the show trials of the late 1930′s in favour of Russian Nationalism.

    Hitler also used German Nationalism to destroy the Jewish dominance of Weimar Germany and did the same in Austria-Hungary and in his short lived Eastern Empire. Ironically one of the designated targets in the invasion of Russia were the Jewish Commissars, who Stalin had in fact already mostly removed.

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    Stalin liquidated Jews in the 1930s?
    You need to check the names of prominent persons in the Soviet government up to Stalin death. Does the name of Lazar Kaganovitch (of Holodomor fame) tell you anything?
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  120. @Art

    Derbyshire is a degenerate. His wife and Asian daughter supported and voted for Obama. And yet, Derbyshire wants the white West preserved as a safe haven for his degenerate offspring.
     
    What hateful sicko crap!

    The cross fertilization of Europeans and Asians produce beautiful people.

    In all likelihood, the third or fourth generation of this human mix would produce a superior race.

    Peace --- Art

    To be completely blunt, you have no idea what you are talking about. Eurasians are not some master race but rather closer to a bastard race, accepted by neither side of their ancestry as complete belonging. You should read what actual Eurasians themselves think and write before concocting a fantasy of what it means.

    You can read what the children of such relationships have to say at Reddit Hapas.

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  121. utu says:
    @gda
    Clearly you haven't read Charles Murray and know nothing about him except what the evil left has whispered in your ear. You wouldn't know "racist" if it walked up to you and kicked you in the nuts, which come to think of it might be a pretty good idea, since it might go some way to clearing your head of nonsense.

    I know more about Charles Murray than I wish to. He is the best example of CIA operative who after acquiring experience abroad (Thailand) was set to work on the domestic front.

    The Recovered History of Charles Murray

    http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2013/01/project-s-h-a-m-e-the-recovered-history-of-charles-murray.html

    The AIR counter-insurgency program that Charles Murray worked in was designed to serve as a model for the CIA and Pentagon for counter-insurgency operations elsewhere in the world, including back home in the United States. The AIR proposal to the Pentagon stated: “The potential applicability of the findings in the United States will also receive special attention. In many of our key domestic programs, especially those directed at disadvantaged sub-cultures, the methodological problems are similar to those described in this proposal; and the application of the Thai findings at home constitutes a potentially most significant project contribution.”

    In a 1994, New York Times interview, Murray admitted that his work in Thailand laid the foundation for his harsh authoritarian politics and policies he later espoused in the United States under the political label “libertarianism.”

    Murray returned to the United States in the early-mid 1970s, and began advising law enforcement agencies to impose harsh zero-tolerance measures on inner-city and minority populations. In 1979, Murray co-authored a series of studies on juvenile crime underwritten by the US Department of Justice, titled “Juvenile Corrections and the Chronic Delinquent” calling for mass-jailings of youths — a plan Murray argued was not “philosophically barbaric and expensive.”

    To promote Losing Ground, the Manhattan Institute “hired a PR expert to turn the unknown author into a media celebrity” and “paid journalists $500 to $1,500 each to participate in a seminar on Murray and his thought” in a campaign costing six figures. The Nation called it “an extraordinary campaign to sell Murray to the public”; the New Republic concurred, observing, “The Manhattan Institute’s canny innovation is to rely as little as possible on chance — and as much as possible on marketing [to promote Murray’s book]. Of course, money helps too.”

    In a 1997 speech at an event hosted by the Libertarian Party of Los Angeles County, Murray cheered the explosion of wealth inequality since the start of the Reagan Revolution, noting that greater concentration of wealth meant the rich had much more political power, “making it harder for politicians to bash the rich than it used to.”

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    He ain't alone in the WN extended family either (wink).
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  122. @The White Muslim Traditionalist
    The fact that Khadijah al Kubra (a divorced, successful businesswoman) is considered the Mother of the Ummah, and that it is well known that after the Prophet Muhammad sa allah wa alayhi wa salaam received his first revelation he went home to her and said "Cover me, I'm scared" should put the rest this nonsense that we hate strong women, believe women should be slaves and disregard love between man and woman.


    I'm proud to have that history as part of my religious heritage.

    Islam’s a religion with class:
    At prayer, do not let your wind pass;
    Point your arse towards the sky,
    Promised Whorehouse on High
    Where the Prophet did ride his white ass.

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  123. @Grahamsno(G64)
    Your 'Prophet' was a brutal mass murdering rapist who also assassinated his critics, can you imagine such shocking behaviour from Jesus or Buddha.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%27Asma%27_bint_Marwan

    Then (occurred) the sariyyah of `Umayr ibn `Adi Ibn Kharashah al-Khatmi against `Asma' Bint Marwan, of Banu Umayyah Ibn Zayd, when five nights had remained from the month of Ramadan, in the beginning of the nineteenth month from the hijrah of the apostle of Allah. `Asma' was the wife of Yazid Ibn Zayd Ibn Hisn al-Khatmi. She used to revile Islam, offend the prophet and instigate the (people) against him. She composed verses. Umayr Ibn Adi came to her in the night and entered her house. Her children were sleeping around her. There was one whom she was suckling. He searched her with his hand because he was blind, and separated the child from her. He thrust his sword in her chest until it pierced up to her back. Then he offered the morning prayers with the prophet at al-Medina. The apostle of Allah said to him: "Have you slain the daughter of Marwan?" He said: "Yes. Is there something more for me to do?" He [Muhammad] said: "No two goats will butt together about her". This was the word that was first heard from the apostle of Allah. The apostle of Allah called him `Umayr, "basir" (the seeing).
     
    Lowest of the low no wonder Islam is so fucked up, its founder assassinated female poets!

    All you can say is that you think that the Prophet alayhi as salaam was a meanie?

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    Islam is a creed dolts can dig:
    Ditch the booze, never eat of the pig,
    "I divorce you!" said thrice
    Frees you up for more vice,
    Make the Hajj your compulsory gig.
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  124. @The White Muslim Traditionalist
    All you can say is that you think that the Prophet alayhi as salaam was a meanie?

    Islam is a creed dolts can dig:
    Ditch the booze, never eat of the pig,
    “I divorce you!” said thrice
    Frees you up for more vice,
    Make the Hajj your compulsory gig.

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    Christianity is a bit sad:
    The best adherents are those that can't add.
    One plus one plus one equals one,
    throw in two thirds of a father and son.
    Oops, we forgot the Holy Ghost's dad.
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  125. annamaria says:
    @jilles dykstra
    Where does Solsjenytsyn write this ?

    There is a book, a documentary, “200 hundred years together” by Solzhenitsyn, on the life of Jews in Russia. The facts, presented in this book, have been so intolerable for the “chosen” that none of the main publishing houses in the US and UK dared to publish the book. This is an open sandal. After publishing his documentary in Russia, Solzhenitsyn had become an overnight a pariah for the western “deciders.”
    The 20th century genocide of Russian people had been targeting the intellectual flower of the nation: the military corp, clergy, literary men, teachers, scientists and artists. The genocide was initiated and organized by the first Bolshevik government that was predominantly Jewish (80%-85%). For obvious reason, anti-semitism used to be punished as criminal offense in the Soviet Russia.
    A shortened “samizdat” version of the documentary: https://thechosenites.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/200-years-together.pdf

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  126. annamaria says:
    @Miro23

    So, what is their identity under Multiculturalism? It is merely the identity of pretend-victimhood. They are to identify as ‘victims of white racism and white privilege’. ....... The AGAINST mentality finds meaning only in attacking and diminishing anything that is FOR.
     

    So, without the Evil Whitey to hate, their identity has no meaning. Leftists and Multi-cultists suffer from a kind of ‘thunderlust’. They must thunder and rail at something to feel justified. Their identity has no inner calm or innate meaning. It’s about constant complaint and whining about something or someone else. It is an identity of vanity of feeling a**holier-than-thou.
     
    We've been here before.

    Nietszche's "Ressentiment" is the heart of whining, complaining victimhood with "goodness " defined by how well you can describe your victimhood and pull down the "oppressor". It was the late Medieval Church concept of people being "born guilty" with the only hope of salvation being through Church mediated acts of abasement and penitence.

    And Jewish Bolshevism worked exactly the same way. Defined "classes" were permanently guilty of crimes against the Proletariat with individuals temporarily pardoned if they showed exemplary behaviour as defined by the Bolsheviks. Good behaviour was also encouraged through harsh punishment for incorrect speech.

    In both cases the young were educated from an early age in the formulas of Ressentiment.

    It's true that the Bolsheviks attacked the Church - but this was simply because it was the "Old Church" and they were the "New Church" - not because they rejected its validity as a system of social control.

    Italian patriotism can bring together an Italian capitalist and Italian socialist. Italian capitalist may be good at business, and an Italian socialist may believe in more government involvement. But if both are committed to the betterment of Italy, both can come to respect one another and contribute in their own way.
    Even if their interests sometimes run counter to each other, the differences could be resolved when they look at the bigger picture of “Is it good for Italy?”-
     
    This is "America First", with its emphasis on positive cooperation between different people and classes in a shared national project (all existing races welcome but with closed borders) and it's fatal for "Ressentiment". Hence the hysterical Jewish attacks of Trump when he said those forbidden words - they challenge the whole basis of Jewish power.

    Then there's also the recent memory of Jewish race based activism having been (twice) destroyed by Nationalism.

    Stalin realized that Russia wouldn't unite behind the Bolshevik Jews and their class dialectics in the coming WW2 conflict and decided to liquidated them in the show trials of the late 1930's in favour of Russian Nationalism.

    Hitler also used German Nationalism to destroy the Jewish dominance of Weimar Germany and did the same in Austria-Hungary and in his short lived Eastern Empire. Ironically one of the designated targets in the invasion of Russia were the Jewish Commissars, who Stalin had in fact already mostly removed.

    Stalin liquidated Jews in the 1930s?
    You need to check the names of prominent persons in the Soviet government up to Stalin death. Does the name of Lazar Kaganovitch (of Holodomor fame) tell you anything?

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    You're right that Lazar Kaganovich (aided by Genrik Yagoda and mostly Jewish NKVD officers) was probably the Nº1 ethnic Jewish mass murderer in history, given that he organized the Ukrainian death famine in the winter of 1931/32. It's true that every scrap of food was removed from the country , including killing wild animals, with inspection teams ensuring that any hoarding was punishable by death. It's now called the Holodomor and it is recognized that it was an organized mass killing of 6-7 million Ukrainians.

    Also in the running would be the all Jewish designers and heads of the of the Soviet Gulag work/death camp system with an equally enormous death toll: Lazar Kogan (Head of Gulag 1931-32), Matvei Berman (Head of Gulag 1932-37), Genrik Yagoda and Yakov Agranov (Head and deputy head of the NKVD 1934-36), Semyon Firin, Yakov Rapoport and Naftaly Frenkel.

    Out of these, Yagoda and Agranov were executed in 1938 at the start of Stalin's Great Terror. Berman and Kogan were executed in 1939 with Kaganovitch and Frenkel surviving until 1991 and 1960 respectively to die of natural causes. Kaganovitch was known to be totally subservient to Stalin in every way which perhaps accounted for his survival.

    However, the main story seems to be Stalin's relationship with the early Jewish revolutionary leaders. After Lenin's death his "Testament" appointed Trotsky (Bronstein), Zinoviev (Apfelbaum) and Kamenev (Rozenfeld) as the leaders of Bolshevism, and they in turn put Stalin in charge of Party Organization, having a lot of fun ridiculing the person they referred to as their "Donkey Bureaucrat".

    Twenty years later (1938) he put Zinoviev and Kamenev through Show Trial confessions in return for their lives, but immediately executed them anyway, and eventually succeeded in his long term aim of murdering Trotsky (assassinated in Mexico in 1940).

    A reliable account, closely based on Russian archival records is Khlevniuk's "Master of the House: Stalin and His Inner Circle" https://www.amazon.com/Master-House-Yale-Hoover-Authoritarian-Regimes/dp/0300110669/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1493671428&sr=8-6&keywords=khlevniuk

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  127. annamaria says:

    A succinct explanation of Macron’s current prominence: http://www.voltairenet.org/article196096.html
    “Evidently, the next French President will be Mr. Macron – a man from the Banque Rothschild & Cie, now supported by the totality of the business leaders of the CAC40.
    However, whether our prejudices like it or not, the unanimity of the power of money is the fundamental characteristic of fascist parties.”

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  128. DWB says: • Website
    @Anon
    The French have a weird cultural quirk in which it is not seen as weird for a young man to receive his sexual initiation at the hands of an older woman. Worth pointing out is that the entire corpus of French literature in the 1800s, is, I swear, all about a young man on the make falling in love with/becoming obsessed with an older married society woman (usually a titled lady). The subtext of all this literature is that she is a rung he is using to climb into high society. She has contacts, money, and power. She would not attract him at all if she had none of these things.

    Brigitte Macron's parents were wealthy chocolate-makers in a family business that makes millions of euros. She's an heiress from that alone. Her first husband was a banker (who, according to an article, held an executive level-position in an international bank) who was also the son of a French diplomat, and he appears to have come from the rich elite. If Brigitte divorced him, her family would be able to hook her up with a good lawyer who could take banker-guy to the cleaners, and making her even richer afterwards.

    If other words, if Macron married his teacher, he'd become a millionaire at age 18. For some men, marrying an older woman is worth that kind of money. Macron's a guy who looks after his own personal interest, and people have noted he seems to have no principles. His behavior is exactly what a greedy, self-interested guy would do. His wife, in coming from the chocolatiers and marrying the banker, appears to be a determined social climber of her own. A wife like her is useful to a young man who intends to claw his way up to the position of Prime Minister of France. Her ambition helps push his along, and he knows he needs an ambitious, confident woman beside him if he want to reach the top. I think it was C. Northcote Parkinson who said that if you want to reach the top, you can't marry the average girl next door. She will be uncomfortable in the social circles you intend to move among, and she will be a millstone around your neck and hold you back. You're better off marrying the boss's daughter, or, in this context, a rich women who is comfortable socializing with the French elite.

    As for the whole gay thing. Maybe. He did, after all, take a drama class, which is the traditional favorite of narcissistic gays. He may be bisexual more than anything else.

    Finally, someone here hits on an unspoken (likely) truth.

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  129. Sean says:
    @Corvinus
    "No one can alter their race, but I think most would respect someone who is patriotic and makes sacrifice for the common good. Sneering at the concept of nationality by attatching it to a subrace as you do by claiming that it is exclusive to WASPs is a racial attack on others’ concept of patriotism. I think that is free-riding or at least switching to what you think is the winning side is a decision. No one was stopping you though."

    Are you claiming that ethnicities = sub race? Please elaborate.

    Moreover, I am not the one "claiming that it is exclusive to WASPS". That would be Vox Day.

    Moreover, I am not the one “claiming that it is exclusive to WASPS”. That would be Vox Day.

    You search for Nordicist nutzit and then start comment threads with them. And those comment threads let you mix up subracial excusionist rationales for limiting immigration with what is really going on. Yoa are at it so much the casual reader could be fooled into thinking Nordicism is a major strain of thinking here. I think that is your objective.

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    You use this term "subracial" without offering any context. Elaborate, please.

    "I think that is your objective."

    Nordicism is a line of thinking embraced by some posters on this fine blog. It is exactly why there is intense debate within the Alt Right regarding who actually is "Alt Right" and what are their underlying philosophies. Various strains have developed as a result--Alt West, Alt White, Alt Lite. Moreover, some on the Alt Right tout a "European pecking order", meaning that certain ethnic groups are "higher up" on the ethnic totem pole. Within this context is the philosophy that the only "real Americans" are those from the United Kingdom, that "paper Americans" or "civic nationalists" are "fake Americans" who in essence must self-deport themselves. Why? Because the Irish and the Germans and other European groups are other than capable of embracing the republican ideals of the Founding Fathers.

    It's really simple. Do you agree with those on the Alt Right who tout this particular ideology?

    "I will say that Poles’ subracial classification is not the reason that French and British workers oppose immigration of them, and capitalists love it."

    Again, you keep using "subracial" without offering context. What do you exactly mean?
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  130. Sean says:
    @Corvinus
    "No one can alter their race, but I think most would respect someone who is patriotic and makes sacrifice for the common good. Sneering at the concept of nationality by attatching it to a subrace as you do by claiming that it is exclusive to WASPs is a racial attack on others’ concept of patriotism. I think that is free-riding or at least switching to what you think is the winning side is a decision. No one was stopping you though."

    Are you claiming that ethnicities = sub race? Please elaborate.

    Moreover, I am not the one "claiming that it is exclusive to WASPS". That would be Vox Day.

    Are you claiming that ethnicities = sub race?

    No.

    Please elaborate

    No, I think you have dragged that idea into threads (ostensibly to refute it) more than enough already. I will say that Poles’ subracial classification is not the reason that French and British workers oppose immigration of them, and capitalists love it.

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  131. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Sean

    So, if your ancestors came from Ireland, Germany, Italy, and Russia, you are in essence a “fake” American.
     
    Rather surprisingly to me it turns out that in those European countries you mention ancestry is descended from exteminationalist Yamnaya warriors (AKA the IndoEuropeans) of the Bronze age. Murderers and whores from the Ukraine were all our ancestors basically.

    Nations are not based on sub-racial categories at all. Nations are as natural as a bee hive and are basically a defensive coalescing of people, more or less homogeneous,but altering slowly in every way including genetically. In a big bad world of uncertin future threats people need help and band together just like bees and ants do.

    Sometimes bees will give up fighting for their hive against a rival hive's attack and join the aggressors to fight against their hivemates loot their own hive. I think those turncoat bees have not been disabused of some theory of their hive's superiority but rather just think if you can't beat them join them. A man or woman of any race can be faithful to their nation and be recognised a a true blue red blooded America It's the American who assist the mass interpolation of immigration that shows themself to not be a real Americans, they are quitters. The turncoat /quitters pure racial type is quite noticeable: so many of them are very WASPy/nordic. I wouldn't be surprised if you were too, Corvie, do you you look like a ideal SS man ?. Hearken to the bees banding together against other groups or free riders within, and understand that your own views may be motivated by the less avowable aspects of human nature no less than in Bernard Mandeville's fable.

    I don’t think bee hives are analogous. In bee hives, there’s one reproducing female, and the rest of the bees are sterile and closely related.

    Most people in a nation are not sterile, and there’s generally no advantage for a person to sacrifice for his nation.

    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2012/03/03/your-countrys-not-your-blood/

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  132. Miro23 says:
    @annamaria
    Stalin liquidated Jews in the 1930s?
    You need to check the names of prominent persons in the Soviet government up to Stalin death. Does the name of Lazar Kaganovitch (of Holodomor fame) tell you anything?

    You’re right that Lazar Kaganovich (aided by Genrik Yagoda and mostly Jewish NKVD officers) was probably the Nº1 ethnic Jewish mass murderer in history, given that he organized the Ukrainian death famine in the winter of 1931/32. It’s true that every scrap of food was removed from the country , including killing wild animals, with inspection teams ensuring that any hoarding was punishable by death. It’s now called the Holodomor and it is recognized that it was an organized mass killing of 6-7 million Ukrainians.

    Also in the running would be the all Jewish designers and heads of the of the Soviet Gulag work/death camp system with an equally enormous death toll: Lazar Kogan (Head of Gulag 1931-32), Matvei Berman (Head of Gulag 1932-37), Genrik Yagoda and Yakov Agranov (Head and deputy head of the NKVD 1934-36), Semyon Firin, Yakov Rapoport and Naftaly Frenkel.

    Out of these, Yagoda and Agranov were executed in 1938 at the start of Stalin’s Great Terror. Berman and Kogan were executed in 1939 with Kaganovitch and Frenkel surviving until 1991 and 1960 respectively to die of natural causes. Kaganovitch was known to be totally subservient to Stalin in every way which perhaps accounted for his survival.

    However, the main story seems to be Stalin’s relationship with the early Jewish revolutionary leaders. After Lenin’s death his “Testament” appointed Trotsky (Bronstein), Zinoviev (Apfelbaum) and Kamenev (Rozenfeld) as the leaders of Bolshevism, and they in turn put Stalin in charge of Party Organization, having a lot of fun ridiculing the person they referred to as their “Donkey Bureaucrat”.

    Twenty years later (1938) he put Zinoviev and Kamenev through Show Trial confessions in return for their lives, but immediately executed them anyway, and eventually succeeded in his long term aim of murdering Trotsky (assassinated in Mexico in 1940).

    A reliable account, closely based on Russian archival records is Khlevniuk’s “Master of the House: Stalin and His Inner Circle” https://www.amazon.com/Master-House-Yale-Hoover-Authoritarian-Regimes/dp/0300110669/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1493671428&sr=8-6&keywords=khlevniuk

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    Thank you for the wealth of information.
    , @anon
    I knew a Jewish guy who was very involved with the Communist part (such as it was) in the 70s, and still is according to a youtube video. Stalin was his hero. He said Stalin moved many Jews east into Russia as the Germans advanced. Of course I don't think Stalin had to do that, they probably did it themselves, but Stalin approved.
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  133. annamaria says:
    @Miro23
    You're right that Lazar Kaganovich (aided by Genrik Yagoda and mostly Jewish NKVD officers) was probably the Nº1 ethnic Jewish mass murderer in history, given that he organized the Ukrainian death famine in the winter of 1931/32. It's true that every scrap of food was removed from the country , including killing wild animals, with inspection teams ensuring that any hoarding was punishable by death. It's now called the Holodomor and it is recognized that it was an organized mass killing of 6-7 million Ukrainians.

    Also in the running would be the all Jewish designers and heads of the of the Soviet Gulag work/death camp system with an equally enormous death toll: Lazar Kogan (Head of Gulag 1931-32), Matvei Berman (Head of Gulag 1932-37), Genrik Yagoda and Yakov Agranov (Head and deputy head of the NKVD 1934-36), Semyon Firin, Yakov Rapoport and Naftaly Frenkel.

    Out of these, Yagoda and Agranov were executed in 1938 at the start of Stalin's Great Terror. Berman and Kogan were executed in 1939 with Kaganovitch and Frenkel surviving until 1991 and 1960 respectively to die of natural causes. Kaganovitch was known to be totally subservient to Stalin in every way which perhaps accounted for his survival.

    However, the main story seems to be Stalin's relationship with the early Jewish revolutionary leaders. After Lenin's death his "Testament" appointed Trotsky (Bronstein), Zinoviev (Apfelbaum) and Kamenev (Rozenfeld) as the leaders of Bolshevism, and they in turn put Stalin in charge of Party Organization, having a lot of fun ridiculing the person they referred to as their "Donkey Bureaucrat".

    Twenty years later (1938) he put Zinoviev and Kamenev through Show Trial confessions in return for their lives, but immediately executed them anyway, and eventually succeeded in his long term aim of murdering Trotsky (assassinated in Mexico in 1940).

    A reliable account, closely based on Russian archival records is Khlevniuk's "Master of the House: Stalin and His Inner Circle" https://www.amazon.com/Master-House-Yale-Hoover-Authoritarian-Regimes/dp/0300110669/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1493671428&sr=8-6&keywords=khlevniuk

    Thank you for the wealth of information.

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  134. @jim jones
    There are plenty of Chinese girls at the local University and I have to say I find them very attractive. I particularly like the way they gaze adoringly at their boyfriends.

    jim jones: remember Guyana and the Kool-aid….

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  135. @Corvinus
    "First, are you Roman Catholic? If so, do you accept black/Asians priests-popes?"

    Yes. Absolutely.

    You are part of the problem. Religion cannot overcome IQ deficits among the races. IQ is an objective reality. World history can be summed up in 2 words: IQ.

    Blacks/Asians have the lowest IQs and therefore cannot have a voice in Western matters.
    Christianity works best with Caucasians/Europeans. If blacks/Asians want to be Christian, they must have their own churches. We can now see that miscegenation destroyed Egypt and India. In Caucasian Egypt, mixing with blacks, and in Aryan, India mixing with Asians.

    The RCC is a huge problem because it claims to be the “universal church.” This means blacks/Asians must be treated as equals (when they are not). The RCC has to be divided. There is already a de facto schism based on gay marriage, birth control, women priests. The racial divide must now be addressed.

    If you want to worship in a multi-culti church, you can go to Brazil.

    We need a new church for the West.

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    The RCC is a huge problem because it claims to be the “universal church.” This means blacks/Asians must be treated as equals (when they are not).
     
    Actually, no, that is not what it means. All it means is the exact same moral standards must be upheld when deciding how to deal with a given person on ecclesiastical matters.

    This nonsense about unlimited immigration being Catholic doctrine began in the 1960s. Where I do agree with you is that it will not stop until the current Pope is gone and 90% of the college of Cardinals is replaced and the Lefebvrite wing is able to declare open hunting season on the SJWs. They'll start by disbanding the Jesuits.
    , @annamaria
    Asians: "It is now generally accepted among serious students of intelligence that Asians have the highest average IQs of any racial group. As Richard Lynn has reported in his comprehensive study, IQ and Global Inequality, East Asian countries such as China, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Singapore, have average IQs in the range of 105 to 108. This clearly exceeds the averages Prof. Lynn has found for the 29 European countries, which range from 92 to 102."
    Blacks: "On the Wechsler metric, blacks average 87."
    http://library.flawlesslogic.com/iq.htm
    https://www.amren.com/news/2016/11/why-have-asians-not-dominated-iq-creativity/
    Don't make prejudice cloud your reason.
    , @Corvinus
    "You are part of the problem. Religion cannot overcome IQ deficits among the races."

    The train is fine, the train is fine.

    "Christianity works best with Caucasians/Europeans."

    Dear, I must admit, I never heard this argument before. Since when has Christianity ever made this claim? Please be specific.

    "If blacks/Asians want to be Christian, they must have their own churches."

    Son, Christianity has no such provision. I imagine that you have several Biblical references specifying exactly how whites and non-whites are to be separated in this fashion.

    "We can now see that miscegenation destroyed Egypt and India. In Caucasian Egypt, mixing with blacks, and in Aryan, India mixing with Asians."

    Christian men and women have free will to marry whomever they prefer regardless of race.

    "The RCC is a huge problem because it claims to be the “universal church.” This means blacks/Asians must be treated as equals (when they are not). The RCC has to be divided. There is already a de facto schism based on gay marriage, birth control, women priests. The racial divide must now be addressed."

    You are way out of touch with reality. Seek forgiveness in the Lord. Peace be with you.
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  136. Bill says:
    @jim jones
    There are plenty of Chinese girls at the local University and I have to say I find them very attractive. I particularly like the way they gaze adoringly at their boyfriends.

    Like, when they take a break from gazing adoringly at their Prada bags?

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  137. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Miro23
    You're right that Lazar Kaganovich (aided by Genrik Yagoda and mostly Jewish NKVD officers) was probably the Nº1 ethnic Jewish mass murderer in history, given that he organized the Ukrainian death famine in the winter of 1931/32. It's true that every scrap of food was removed from the country , including killing wild animals, with inspection teams ensuring that any hoarding was punishable by death. It's now called the Holodomor and it is recognized that it was an organized mass killing of 6-7 million Ukrainians.

    Also in the running would be the all Jewish designers and heads of the of the Soviet Gulag work/death camp system with an equally enormous death toll: Lazar Kogan (Head of Gulag 1931-32), Matvei Berman (Head of Gulag 1932-37), Genrik Yagoda and Yakov Agranov (Head and deputy head of the NKVD 1934-36), Semyon Firin, Yakov Rapoport and Naftaly Frenkel.

    Out of these, Yagoda and Agranov were executed in 1938 at the start of Stalin's Great Terror. Berman and Kogan were executed in 1939 with Kaganovitch and Frenkel surviving until 1991 and 1960 respectively to die of natural causes. Kaganovitch was known to be totally subservient to Stalin in every way which perhaps accounted for his survival.

    However, the main story seems to be Stalin's relationship with the early Jewish revolutionary leaders. After Lenin's death his "Testament" appointed Trotsky (Bronstein), Zinoviev (Apfelbaum) and Kamenev (Rozenfeld) as the leaders of Bolshevism, and they in turn put Stalin in charge of Party Organization, having a lot of fun ridiculing the person they referred to as their "Donkey Bureaucrat".

    Twenty years later (1938) he put Zinoviev and Kamenev through Show Trial confessions in return for their lives, but immediately executed them anyway, and eventually succeeded in his long term aim of murdering Trotsky (assassinated in Mexico in 1940).

    A reliable account, closely based on Russian archival records is Khlevniuk's "Master of the House: Stalin and His Inner Circle" https://www.amazon.com/Master-House-Yale-Hoover-Authoritarian-Regimes/dp/0300110669/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1493671428&sr=8-6&keywords=khlevniuk

    I knew a Jewish guy who was very involved with the Communist part (such as it was) in the 70s, and still is according to a youtube video. Stalin was his hero. He said Stalin moved many Jews east into Russia as the Germans advanced. Of course I don’t think Stalin had to do that, they probably did it themselves, but Stalin approved.

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  138. Corvinus says:
    @Sean

    Moreover, I am not the one “claiming that it is exclusive to WASPS”. That would be Vox Day.
     
    You search for Nordicist nutzit and then start comment threads with them. And those comment threads let you mix up subracial excusionist rationales for limiting immigration with what is really going on. Yoa are at it so much the casual reader could be fooled into thinking Nordicism is a major strain of thinking here. I think that is your objective.

    You use this term “subracial” without offering any context. Elaborate, please.

    “I think that is your objective.”

    Nordicism is a line of thinking embraced by some posters on this fine blog. It is exactly why there is intense debate within the Alt Right regarding who actually is “Alt Right” and what are their underlying philosophies. Various strains have developed as a result–Alt West, Alt White, Alt Lite. Moreover, some on the Alt Right tout a “European pecking order”, meaning that certain ethnic groups are “higher up” on the ethnic totem pole. Within this context is the philosophy that the only “real Americans” are those from the United Kingdom, that “paper Americans” or “civic nationalists” are “fake Americans” who in essence must self-deport themselves. Why? Because the Irish and the Germans and other European groups are other than capable of embracing the republican ideals of the Founding Fathers.

    It’s really simple. Do you agree with those on the Alt Right who tout this particular ideology?

    “I will say that Poles’ subracial classification is not the reason that French and British workers oppose immigration of them, and capitalists love it.”

    Again, you keep using “subracial” without offering context. What do you exactly mean?

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    Nordicism is a line of thinking embraced by some posters on this fine blog
     
    You are the main person talking about it, and you are responsible for the off topic subracialism / Nordicism?/only-those-of British-descent-are true-Americans threads more than everyone else in the comments put together. No author here espouses Nordic subracialism / AngloSaxonsm, but you drag it into the comments on their posts nonetheless. Why don't you go somewhere there are Nordicist authors and then your comments on the posts can be on topic.
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  139. Bel Riose says:
    @Corvinus
    "You don’t know how ‘most people’ view it: you are just stating as fact something you have no way of knowing to be true or false."

    You mean the way that neutral made this comment--“Sorry but there is something very wrong with Macron and his wife. At a very basic instinctive level most know how freakish this is.”

    So, I imagine you will take him to task, right? Or are you just white knighting here?

    Hey Corvinus: why don’t you answer Avery’s questions?

    Cite your sources, please, and include links to any relevant websites.

    I mean we all know that insufferable pedantry coupled with a total absence of any original input is your M.O. around here, but geez…at least make an *effort* to respond !

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    "Hey Corvinus: why don’t you answer Avery’s questions?"

    I offered a rhetorical response. That was most appropriate here, there was no need for dialectic. Since you seem ready, willing, and able, why don't YOU answer his questions? You are well known among these parts for your "insight".
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  140. Art Deco says:
    @Skeptikal
    The longer they are married, the closer they get in age . . .
    That is, the ratio of 17 to 42 is a lot different from 39 to 64. Macron is slowly catching up. I can understand that a horny 17-year-old doesn't really care how he gets to have some sex, and the tradition of young men being "tutored" in the art of love is very venerable in France.

    The big question to me is what a 42-year-old sees in a 17-year-old as a life partner---he is like a son. And when she is his teacher (not the love tutor type of teacher), there is something else wrong with the situation. An adult has a great deal of psychological power over a teenager. That is increased when the adult has the authority of a teacher. Who do you think made the first move here?

    Something wrong with this. I have had correspondence with a woman in France who takes issue with criticism of Mme Macron--"She is very competent." But since she has in some sense been pushed forward along with him, she is fair game for criticism. As a couple they are fair game.

    And it is quite possible that they are a "lavender" couple and she married him to provide a social figleaf for him---possibly also for herself. Why no children? Nothing wrong with being gay, but if that is the case, there is something wrong with the subterfuge.

    And it is quite possible that they are a “lavender” couple and she married him to provide a social figleaf for him—possibly also for herself. Why no children?

    She was 41 when she met him. Children were not an option except through adoption. She already had 3 children with her previous husband, one of whom is two years older than her current husband.

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    She was 41 when she met him. Children were not an option except through adoption.
     
    I suspect IVF was a possibility at the beginning. The problem is probably that when she felt comfortable enough with him to have kids, i.e. after a few years of living with him, her biological clock was on permanent snooze, meaning IVF was no longer a possibility.
    , @Truth
    Menopause at 41?
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  141. @Sean
    I meant that the result of the referendum was mainly due to a large number of leave votes by English working class people, inarticulately and unreported, but very disgruntled with massive and unending immigration of Polish, Romanian ect workers who are being used to keep wages down by business.

    The Brexiteer pro Leave campaign people I'm hearing now now are free market ideologues all for continuing EU immigration of low cost workers. The business and political establishment, which was pro Remain, are similarly in favour of continuing EU immigration of cheap workers.

    I meant that the result of the referendum was mainly due to… etc.

    Sean, I know what you meant: that the referendum result (the “vote”) was not about the voters’ choice of “remain” or “leave” but about the reasons people voted as they did.

    My point was simpler: you are factually incorrect. People voted (as they do in elections) on the basis of the “question” asked. Their reasons may be simple or they may be many and varied; but as far as the vote is concerned those reasons are irrelevant – except to people who are more interested in discussing their own opinions about why people might have voted as they did.

    My point is simple but I think it vitally important. If we all regarded our own vote, and other people’s, in that more objective, uncontentious way, people might be less inclined to destroy what little democracy remains in their society by reacting violently to those who voted differently, on the assumption that the reasons for voting as they did were in some way “deplorable”.

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    Well that cuts both ways because if the anti EU worker immigration feeling behind the vote is not articulated ( and it isn't being) the Brexiteer free market ideologues can claim to be enforcing the people's Brexit will while leaving millions of Poles ect here after Britain leaves the EU, and keeping a massive inflow of EU immigrant workers forever after. I don't see anything good in not mentioning that the Brexit referendum result turned on British workers' opposition to EU immigrants, who capitalist are using to keep wages down. Britain is, unlike France, in the fortunate position of being economically sturdy enough to leave the EU, and the sooner the chattering classes understand that Brexit came largely because EU immigration to Britain lacks the democratic consent of the British people, the better.
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  142. Bill says:
    @Sean
    A 15 year old Macron (displaying his large Gallic hooter) kissing his future wife, the now 7 times grandmother HERE. Macron does not have any biological children with his good lady, who happens to be a heiress. She obviously shagged him; sorry, met him, when he was not yet 16 years old-- she was his drama teacher (Why is it always drama and music teachers who get jiggy with their pupils?). Anyway, given the lack of kids, unlike any other other pres of the country he surely will not be having affairs with beautiful actresses, and the rumors of Macron's homosexuality are likely true (not that queerness tells us anything decisive about a man's suitability to lead his country).

    Native Proles have been purged in favour of Poles.The Euro-communist (Italian and Parti communiste français) theoreticians long ago identified immigration as a transparent attempt to create a larger reserve army of unemployed workers to keep the price of labour down. The EU is about the slowest growing area in the world, (youth unemployment 25 per cent in France, 40 per cent in Italy and Spain).


    BBC:French National Front: Far right or hard left? Roger Denis, a 41-year-old haulier from the eastern city of Nancy, feels his job is threatened. “My company uses a lot of Polish drivers,” he says. “I have nothing against them, but they are working for 800 euros a month (£650; $1,100). They have Polish number plates, but of course they work in France.” Patrick Cathala is in an even more precarious position. Five years ago he lost his construction job, and he too regards himself as a victim of Europe’s open-border policies. “I’m unemployed because firms prefer to hire workers from Romania, Bulgaria, Portugal or Spain. They’re letting all those people in. What am I supposed to do?”
     
    According to the EU, those Poles ect taking jobs in France are not immigrants because their homeland is in the EU. Marine LePen absolutely has to be against free movement within the EU, which amounts to being against the whole thing. Germany and southern/eastern European governments and people love the EU, the masses in Italy and France increasingly hate it.

    But the EU is the only way out for the French elite (at its core, bankers), The succession of unelected technocrat governments in Italy presaged Marcon . Italy has had no rise in living standard since 2000. ITALY WILL quit the eurozone if the standard of living does not improve, the head of Germany's Institute for Economic Research said (Jan 2017).


    France is part of the eurozone, and a win for Le Pen might have cast doubt on the future of the single currency project. This may explain why markets rallied strongly all across the eurozone. Indeed, stocks in Italy rose even more sharply than in France, as Italy has been widely viewed as a potential domino if the euro should start to unravel. (10-year bonds offer considerably higher yields than German, French and Dutch bonds, and even higher yields than Spanish bonds.

    Italy has a massive public debt -third largest in the world
     

     
    Who owns this debt?

    http://wolfstreet.com/2016/07/10/contagion-from-italian-banking-meltdown-apart-french-german-banks/
    As Die Welt reports, the total exposure of French banks to Italian debt exceeds €250 billion. That’s triple the amount of exposure of the second most exposed European nation, Germany, whose banks hold €83.2 billion worth of Italian bonds.
     

    http://www.politico.eu/article/emmanuel-macron-plan-win-germany-france-election-2017/
    Assuming eurozone populations sign off on a tighter union, Macron could turn to the bigger task of proposing a eurozone budget, parliament and finance minister.
     
    According to Thilo Sarrazin, French banks need the tighter union EU (German taxpayer) financial backstop for the bad loans. If Italy leaves the EU and explicitly welshes on the loans by French banks, France will financially implode. Macron (who the germans love) is being brought in to get the tighter union though with the French people. The German establishment long for Germany being cocooned safely in a tighter European union single economic area for export and geopoltical reasons, so to pay off the french the poor German taxpayer will get their orders, which will be obeyed without question.

    Brexit was mainly an anti EU immigration vote. It is the Poles ect who are really hurting her LePen's supporters and she needs to advocate leaving the EU to stand any chance of getting elected. A LePen win will raise a real prospect of France being bankrupted. I think the only realistic solution would be waiting till she wins, then immediately announcing that France will definitively not be leaving the EU, and is willing to accept an even closer union. France could cut right down on immigration from outside the EU, but it would have to accept the Poles ect.

    not that queerness tells us anything decisive about a man’s suitability to lead his country

    Of course not. It’s not like homosexuality is correlated with other mental illnesses and character defects.

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  143. Derb is correct that the marriages arrangement is okay for your average person. Each to their own, and all that.

    But for a public person or leader? Not a chance. Marrying a much older women who already has 3 kids is an exercise in cuckoldry. It does not set a good example for the culture, and any scorn is rightly earned.

    I’ll take Mike Pence’s arrangement in a leader any day over Macron’s.

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  144. Bill says:
    @Corvinus
    "If ever you came to glimpse, even for a moment, exactly what your interlocutors have been talking about all this time, you would be wracked by such pangs of humility and cognitive dissonance that you would tear your own eyeballs out, Oedipus-wise."

    Why don't you offer me this "glimpse" rather than run away like the Antifa when the heat gets too hot in the kitchen?

    Why don’t you offer me this “glimpse”

    Why don’t you show me some wetness, he said, standing in the downpour.

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  145. Bill says:
    @Corvinus
    "There’s no need to be facetious. I think you know full-well that nobody is telling Derb to get a divorce."

    True racial purity would require such action, at least by those conveyed by the Alt-White. And what about ethnic purity? Why should a high-class ethnic group like the English "slum it" with an Italian, who is deemed to be on the lower end of the European totem pole? Or the French "shacking up" with a Russian? Are you the product of ethnic mixing? Shame, shame, shame.

    "I suspect that Derb’s lifestyle reflects exactly what Civic Nationalism is really all about. Immigrants are okay as long as they’re the right sort of immigrants."

    Exactly. The majority of white Americans share the same sentiments. Immigration has been part of our history, and there are people who want it limited for a host of reasons, remembering that their ancestors also had gone through the vetting process, recalling that their ancestors also had been deemed by nativists as "undesirable". Furthermore, the majority of white Americans are other than concerned with race or ethnic mixing, considering it is a person's liberty to "date and mate" with whomever they prefer.

    “Defending Western Civilization”...

    Again, the majority of white Americans are defenders of the civilization they maintain and improve upon...American. Western Civilization is virtually meaningless to them. Why should it be front and center?

    "This is the best that the Dissident Right and the Alt-Lite can show for themselves, and it proves that they aren’t realistic."

    I thought "No enemies on my right". Why are you airing dirty laundry? Take it behind closed doors regarding your "disapproval" of this group.

    "Civic Nationalism is an empty ideology. White Nationalism is strength in practice."

    White nationalism will flounder, especially among those in the Alt Right who insist that the United States is not a nation founded on a proposition. Only the founding stock, those from the British Isles, are the “original Americans”. They tout the non-British were unable to appreciate AND have a knack for perverting our representative form of government on the grounds that its foundational underpinnings are specifically peculiar to the British Isles. So, if your ancestors came from Ireland, Germany, Italy, and Russia, you are in essence a “fake” American.

    Best wishes getting your average white American to support this position.

    I thought “No enemies on my right”.

    Derb: to Intelligent Dasein’s right.

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  146. Truth says:
    @utu
    I know more about Charles Murray than I wish to. He is the best example of CIA operative who after acquiring experience abroad (Thailand) was set to work on the domestic front.

    The Recovered History of Charles Murray
    http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2013/01/project-s-h-a-m-e-the-recovered-history-of-charles-murray.html


    The AIR counter-insurgency program that Charles Murray worked in was designed to serve as a model for the CIA and Pentagon for counter-insurgency operations elsewhere in the world, including back home in the United States. The AIR proposal to the Pentagon stated: “The potential applicability of the findings in the United States will also receive special attention. In many of our key domestic programs, especially those directed at disadvantaged sub-cultures, the methodological problems are similar to those described in this proposal; and the application of the Thai findings at home constitutes a potentially most significant project contribution.”

     


    In a 1994, New York Times interview, Murray admitted that his work in Thailand laid the foundation for his harsh authoritarian politics and policies he later espoused in the United States under the political label “libertarianism.”
     

    Murray returned to the United States in the early-mid 1970s, and began advising law enforcement agencies to impose harsh zero-tolerance measures on inner-city and minority populations. In 1979, Murray co-authored a series of studies on juvenile crime underwritten by the US Department of Justice, titled “Juvenile Corrections and the Chronic Delinquent” calling for mass-jailings of youths — a plan Murray argued was not “philosophically barbaric and expensive.”
     

    To promote Losing Ground, the Manhattan Institute “hired a PR expert to turn the unknown author into a media celebrity” and “paid journalists $500 to $1,500 each to participate in a seminar on Murray and his thought” in a campaign costing six figures. The Nation called it “an extraordinary campaign to sell Murray to the public”; the New Republic concurred, observing, “The Manhattan Institute’s canny innovation is to rely as little as possible on chance — and as much as possible on marketing [to promote Murray’s book]. Of course, money helps too.”
     

    In a 1997 speech at an event hosted by the Libertarian Party of Los Angeles County, Murray cheered the explosion of wealth inequality since the start of the Reagan Revolution, noting that greater concentration of wealth meant the rich had much more political power, “making it harder for politicians to bash the rich than it used to.”
     

    He ain’t alone in the WN extended family either (wink).

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  147. @Art Deco
    And it is quite possible that they are a “lavender” couple and she married him to provide a social figleaf for him—possibly also for herself. Why no children?

    She was 41 when she met him. Children were not an option except through adoption. She already had 3 children with her previous husband, one of whom is two years older than her current husband.

    She was 41 when she met him. Children were not an option except through adoption.

    I suspect IVF was a possibility at the beginning. The problem is probably that when she felt comfortable enough with him to have kids, i.e. after a few years of living with him, her biological clock was on permanent snooze, meaning IVF was no longer a possibility.

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  148. @jilles dykstra
    Controlling immigration was important for the Brexit voters, no doubt about it.

    …no doubt about it.

    Because you’ve asked all of them?

    Jilles, I’m not challenging your opinion, merely reminding you that it is an opinion and thus, at least potentially, open to “doubt”.

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  149. Truth says:
    @Art Deco
    And it is quite possible that they are a “lavender” couple and she married him to provide a social figleaf for him—possibly also for herself. Why no children?

    She was 41 when she met him. Children were not an option except through adoption. She already had 3 children with her previous husband, one of whom is two years older than her current husband.

    Menopause at 41?

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    Probability of a fertile woman conceiving and carrying a child to term is fairly low past 40, at least absent contrivances like fertility drugs.
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  150. Nico says:

    His marriage is “okay” only within the framework of a family and sexual ethics paradigm so nihilistic that Bill Clinton would be appalled.

    Emmanuel Macron met his future wife when she was his teacher and 39 years old; he was 15. They first shacked up a year later. When she learned about this, Macron’s mother had him shipped off to Paris to finish high school and confronted Brigitte Trogneaux: “I forbid you to see him until he’s 18!” Trogneux broke down in tears and said, “I don’t know if I can promise that!”

    Macron’s mother should be prosecuted for failure duty to rescue (a crime in France). She should have gone straight to the Gendarmerie. I would have. Yes, the sexual majority in France is 15, but Macron was a minor student of Trogneaux and French law certainly allows prosecution of authority figures for corruption of a minor if the subject is under 18.

    Macron’s mother did not do so. As a result, she unleashed this pedophile and set her on course to become First Lady of France. If her son is elected, I will hold that against her for his entire mandate. Brigitte Trogneaux was and is a first-class creep. Look at her now, 64 years old and still sporting thong bikinis and dressed up to the nines like a college sophomore on the town.

    Macron’s platform is bad in itself, but his marriage is an even better argument against voting for him. The head of state is the incarnation of a nation. Worse than Clinton’s cigar dildo, Chirac’s humiliation of Bernadette and Trump’s or Le Pen’s multiple marriages and concubinages, Macron has absolutely no clue about nor interest in cultivating a normal, healthy model for the base unit of society (the nuclear family).

    Electing Macron is nothing more nor less than the legitimation of prof boffing and nihilistic urban young-couple role playing as an acceptable model for the “family.” No thank you.

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  151. Nico says:
    @attilathehen
    You are part of the problem. Religion cannot overcome IQ deficits among the races. IQ is an objective reality. World history can be summed up in 2 words: IQ.

    Blacks/Asians have the lowest IQs and therefore cannot have a voice in Western matters.
    Christianity works best with Caucasians/Europeans. If blacks/Asians want to be Christian, they must have their own churches. We can now see that miscegenation destroyed Egypt and India. In Caucasian Egypt, mixing with blacks, and in Aryan, India mixing with Asians.

    The RCC is a huge problem because it claims to be the "universal church." This means blacks/Asians must be treated as equals (when they are not). The RCC has to be divided. There is already a de facto schism based on gay marriage, birth control, women priests. The racial divide must now be addressed.

    If you want to worship in a multi-culti church, you can go to Brazil.

    We need a new church for the West.

    The RCC is a huge problem because it claims to be the “universal church.” This means blacks/Asians must be treated as equals (when they are not).

    Actually, no, that is not what it means. All it means is the exact same moral standards must be upheld when deciding how to deal with a given person on ecclesiastical matters.

    This nonsense about unlimited immigration being Catholic doctrine began in the 1960s. Where I do agree with you is that it will not stop until the current Pope is gone and 90% of the college of Cardinals is replaced and the Lefebvrite wing is able to declare open hunting season on the SJWs. They’ll start by disbanding the Jesuits.

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  152. annamaria says:
    @attilathehen
    You are part of the problem. Religion cannot overcome IQ deficits among the races. IQ is an objective reality. World history can be summed up in 2 words: IQ.

    Blacks/Asians have the lowest IQs and therefore cannot have a voice in Western matters.
    Christianity works best with Caucasians/Europeans. If blacks/Asians want to be Christian, they must have their own churches. We can now see that miscegenation destroyed Egypt and India. In Caucasian Egypt, mixing with blacks, and in Aryan, India mixing with Asians.

    The RCC is a huge problem because it claims to be the "universal church." This means blacks/Asians must be treated as equals (when they are not). The RCC has to be divided. There is already a de facto schism based on gay marriage, birth control, women priests. The racial divide must now be addressed.

    If you want to worship in a multi-culti church, you can go to Brazil.

    We need a new church for the West.

    Asians: “It is now generally accepted among serious students of intelligence that Asians have the highest average IQs of any racial group. As Richard Lynn has reported in his comprehensive study, IQ and Global Inequality, East Asian countries such as China, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Singapore, have average IQs in the range of 105 to 108. This clearly exceeds the averages Prof. Lynn has found for the 29 European countries, which range from 92 to 102.”
    Blacks: “On the Wechsler metric, blacks average 87.”

    http://library.flawlesslogic.com/iq.htm

    https://www.amren.com/news/2016/11/why-have-asians-not-dominated-iq-creativity/

    Don’t make prejudice cloud your reason.

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    I don't have prejudice clouding my reason.

    Why do Asian countries "Westernize" instead of "Easternize" when it comes to technology? If they had not accepted Western science, they would still be in their rice paddies working in muck up to their knees.

    The Asians invented no technology of any worth.

    As to these IQ tests, this idea of Asian superiority started in the late 1960s. The modern world was built by Christian Europeans. Asians can only copy. The Japanese were the best copiers.

    Hong Kong and Singapore have tiny populations. These were the people smart enough to escape China when the communists took over because they knew what would happen.

    Japan is the only Asian country to build a modern, industrial, Western style country after it was forced to do so by Capt. Matthew Perry. He overthrew the shogunate because in the West at that time it was known that the only Asians of any intelligence were the Japanese. Had this not happened, Japan would still be one big rice paddy.

    China has slightly modernized but only through totalitarian means.

    I have sister who travels to the Far East on business. She hates the Chinese, calls them a filthy people in a dirty country. Do you know about Chinese pollution? And she is someone who meets the upper crust. She has been to Hong Kong and Singapore and says that there is a semblance of civilization in the big cities, but only in small areas. She also says the physical unattractiveness of the Asians becomes difficult to deal with.

    Have you been to the Far East?

    Charles Murray who cowrote the Bell Curve had a Thai first wife and Thai offspring. What has Thailand contributed to the world? Cambodia, Laos, Vietnam, the Philippines - horrible countries.

    Asians themselves say that they don't have the "zigzag in the brain" whites have for creating.

    The modern world is a testament and tribute to European/Caucasian superiority.

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  153. Corvinus says:
    @Bel Riose
    Hey Corvinus: why don't you answer Avery's questions?

    Cite your sources, please, and include links to any relevant websites.

    I mean we all know that insufferable pedantry coupled with a total absence of any original input is your M.O. around here, but geez...at least make an *effort* to respond !

    “Hey Corvinus: why don’t you answer Avery’s questions?”

    I offered a rhetorical response. That was most appropriate here, there was no need for dialectic. Since you seem ready, willing, and able, why don’t YOU answer his questions? You are well known among these parts for your “insight”.

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    Because I'm not the one who made a blanket statement about human behavior and then failed to substantiate it, that's why.

    Stop ducking the issue and back up your comment. Cite the relevant authorities and provide links.

    And in any event -- it's much more enjoyable to hoist you with your own pedantic, niggling petard, you insufferable nitwit.

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  154. Art Deco says:
    @Truth
    Menopause at 41?

    Probability of a fertile woman conceiving and carrying a child to term is fairly low past 40, at least absent contrivances like fertility drugs.

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  155. Dumbo says:

    There’s nothing so strange about a young pédé with political ambitions marrying an older rich heiress with lots of contacts in the world of finance. The rich don’t marry for love or sex, but for convenience and power.

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    There’s nothing so strange about a young pédé with political ambitions marrying an older rich heiress with lots of contacts in the world of finance.

    Actually, a bride 24 years older than her husband is unusual in any circumstance. She wasn't rich and she didn't have 'contacts'. She was a schoolteacher with a husband and 3 children.


    The rich don’t marry for love or sex, but for convenience and power.

    "The rich" of which you're speaking are a fiction in your head.
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  156. @Nico

    The RCC is a huge problem because it claims to be the “universal church.” This means blacks/Asians must be treated as equals (when they are not).
     
    Actually, no, that is not what it means. All it means is the exact same moral standards must be upheld when deciding how to deal with a given person on ecclesiastical matters.

    This nonsense about unlimited immigration being Catholic doctrine began in the 1960s. Where I do agree with you is that it will not stop until the current Pope is gone and 90% of the college of Cardinals is replaced and the Lefebvrite wing is able to declare open hunting season on the SJWs. They'll start by disbanding the Jesuits.

    Do you accept black/Asian priests-popes?

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    Depends. If you're talking about an "Oreo" or as Madame Chiang described herself, "a Westerner with an Oriental face," fine. But at one point in the Spanish conquest of the Americas decreed the indigenous men unfit for the priesthood and with good reason: they hadn't had the kind of inculturation to absorb the material. If they had only taken that same side view in the 20th century they wouldn't have rushed to Africanize the hierarchy in Africa long before they were ready.

    And even that's not taking into account that the Christian priesthood requires (or ought to require) a minimum threshold of IQ and EQ. The IQ threshold is met more rarely on average in Africa than in Europe and the EQ, more rarely in East Asia. If the Vatican hadn't decided to snivel before the liberal new masters of the West and "prove" that the Church was "less racist than Antifa" and simply apply the same intellectual, doctrinal and personality criteria across the board, the concentration of clergy at all levels and especially the bishoprics would remain very disproportionately European (or on the white side of the mestizo/mulatto spectra) for a very long time, because, well, that's what nature produced intellectually and personality-wise.

    Besides, the African and Asian priests they import into the West are often the *most* competent priests these continents produce (in order not to shock the Westerner faithful into racial "heresey"), so they end up having to export European priests to do the actual work, anyway. Lots of needless flights, but Papa Bergoglio with his encyclicals on environmental ethics doesn't seem to have captured that P.C. is bad for global warming.

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  157. @annamaria
    Asians: "It is now generally accepted among serious students of intelligence that Asians have the highest average IQs of any racial group. As Richard Lynn has reported in his comprehensive study, IQ and Global Inequality, East Asian countries such as China, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Singapore, have average IQs in the range of 105 to 108. This clearly exceeds the averages Prof. Lynn has found for the 29 European countries, which range from 92 to 102."
    Blacks: "On the Wechsler metric, blacks average 87."
    http://library.flawlesslogic.com/iq.htm
    https://www.amren.com/news/2016/11/why-have-asians-not-dominated-iq-creativity/
    Don't make prejudice cloud your reason.

    I don’t have prejudice clouding my reason.

    Why do Asian countries “Westernize” instead of “Easternize” when it comes to technology? If they had not accepted Western science, they would still be in their rice paddies working in muck up to their knees.

    The Asians invented no technology of any worth.

    As to these IQ tests, this idea of Asian superiority started in the late 1960s. The modern world was built by Christian Europeans. Asians can only copy. The Japanese were the best copiers.

    Hong Kong and Singapore have tiny populations. These were the people smart enough to escape China when the communists took over because they knew what would happen.

    Japan is the only Asian country to build a modern, industrial, Western style country after it was forced to do so by Capt. Matthew Perry. He overthrew the shogunate because in the West at that time it was known that the only Asians of any intelligence were the Japanese. Had this not happened, Japan would still be one big rice paddy.

    China has slightly modernized but only through totalitarian means.

    I have sister who travels to the Far East on business. She hates the Chinese, calls them a filthy people in a dirty country. Do you know about Chinese pollution? And she is someone who meets the upper crust. She has been to Hong Kong and Singapore and says that there is a semblance of civilization in the big cities, but only in small areas. She also says the physical unattractiveness of the Asians becomes difficult to deal with.

    Have you been to the Far East?

    Charles Murray who cowrote the Bell Curve had a Thai first wife and Thai offspring. What has Thailand contributed to the world? Cambodia, Laos, Vietnam, the Philippines – horrible countries.

    Asians themselves say that they don’t have the “zigzag in the brain” whites have for creating.

    The modern world is a testament and tribute to European/Caucasian superiority.

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    You were caught on peddling a false information ("Blacks/Asians have the lowest IQs"). Instead of excepting the correction you have produced an unattractive musing that implies your personal intellectual superiority over Asians.
    If you or your sister (who hates Chinese but loves making money on them) had ever attended one of the leading American universities - preferably science and math departments - then you two would have a chance to check your IQ next to Asian students' IQ. Since this opportunity was not available for you both (and since you did not bother to learn the basic facts about Chinese civilization, such as, "written records of the history of China can be found from as early as 1500 BC;" "mathematics in China emerged independently by the 11th century BC," and so forth) this explains the condescending tenor of your post.
    Moreover, making insults towards Charles Murray' family makes you look petty and bad mannered. Not exactly the best representative sample of the western civilization.
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  158. Sean says:
    @Corvinus
    You use this term "subracial" without offering any context. Elaborate, please.

    "I think that is your objective."

    Nordicism is a line of thinking embraced by some posters on this fine blog. It is exactly why there is intense debate within the Alt Right regarding who actually is "Alt Right" and what are their underlying philosophies. Various strains have developed as a result--Alt West, Alt White, Alt Lite. Moreover, some on the Alt Right tout a "European pecking order", meaning that certain ethnic groups are "higher up" on the ethnic totem pole. Within this context is the philosophy that the only "real Americans" are those from the United Kingdom, that "paper Americans" or "civic nationalists" are "fake Americans" who in essence must self-deport themselves. Why? Because the Irish and the Germans and other European groups are other than capable of embracing the republican ideals of the Founding Fathers.

    It's really simple. Do you agree with those on the Alt Right who tout this particular ideology?

    "I will say that Poles’ subracial classification is not the reason that French and British workers oppose immigration of them, and capitalists love it."

    Again, you keep using "subracial" without offering context. What do you exactly mean?

    Nordicism is a line of thinking embraced by some posters on this fine blog

    You are the main person talking about it, and you are responsible for the off topic subracialism / Nordicism?/only-those-of British-descent-are true-Americans threads more than everyone else in the comments put together. No author here espouses Nordic subracialism / AngloSaxonsm, but you drag it into the comments on their posts nonetheless. Why don’t you go somewhere there are Nordicist authors and then your comments on the posts can be on topic.

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    "You are the main person talking about it, and you are responsible for the off topic subracialism"

    I did not make any direct reference or indirect reference to this term, which you have yet to define. Do you make up things as you go along?

    "You are the main person talking about it..."

    I am making a point, one that is clearly going over your head, or perhaps you are being obtuse. I'll break it down for you. Among the Alt Right there are competing points of view. Specifically:

    Is there a racial hierarchy?

    Is there a "European pecking order"?

    Are "real Americans" only those individuals who are able to directly trace their ancestry to the British Isles?

    Is there such a thing as "fake Americans" or "paper Americans"?

    Have Europeans who emigrated to the United States been able to comprehend our democratic principles?

    Are there certain groups of people who emigrate to the United States who are incapable of assimilating into our society?

    Please answer "yes" or "no" and offer reasons why.

    "No author here espouses Nordic subracialism / AngloSaxonsm"

    Yes, there are authors here like Anonym and Blair Mountain, who I believe is the same poster.
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  159. Bel Riose says:
    @Corvinus
    "Hey Corvinus: why don’t you answer Avery’s questions?"

    I offered a rhetorical response. That was most appropriate here, there was no need for dialectic. Since you seem ready, willing, and able, why don't YOU answer his questions? You are well known among these parts for your "insight".

    Because I’m not the one who made a blanket statement about human behavior and then failed to substantiate it, that’s why.

    Stop ducking the issue and back up your comment. Cite the relevant authorities and provide links.

    And in any event — it’s much more enjoyable to hoist you with your own pedantic, niggling petard, you insufferable nitwit.

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    "Because I’m not the one who made a blanket statement about human behavior and then failed to substantiate it, that’s why."

    Follow your own advice before you start pointing fingers. You said, "I mean we all know that insufferable pedantry coupled with a total absence of any original input is your M.O. around here, but geez…at least make an *effort* to respond!"

    "Stop ducking the issue and back up your comment. Cite the relevant authorities and provide links."

    Let's review. Neutral made the comment “Sorry but there is something very wrong with Macron and his wife. At a very basic instinctive level most know how freakish this is.”

    Now, did he offer evidence to back up his assertion? Should you not be taking umbrage with him from the start?"

    I responded, "Actually, most people don’t view it in the manner you do." The exchange was rhetorical in nature, not dialectic. There was no need to offer "evidence". Do you comprehend the difference? If not, I am more than willing to offer a primer on the subject. Even better, go to Vox Day's website. He is outstanding in the use of rhetoric.

    See, if most people took this position according to neutral, then there would 1) several stories in the media, mainstream or alternative, that would have been crafting this narrative how freakish is this couple, 2) conservative blogs dedicated precious digital ink to this story, 3) comments ranging in the millions responding in agreement to these sources, and 4) several follow-ups on this very topic.

    "And in any event — it’s much more enjoyable to hoist you with your own pedantic, niggling petard, you insufferable nitwit."

    You hung yourself first. I cut you down so you wouldn't needlessly suffer. That is the Christian in me.
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  160. Corvinus says:
    @Sean

    Nordicism is a line of thinking embraced by some posters on this fine blog
     
    You are the main person talking about it, and you are responsible for the off topic subracialism / Nordicism?/only-those-of British-descent-are true-Americans threads more than everyone else in the comments put together. No author here espouses Nordic subracialism / AngloSaxonsm, but you drag it into the comments on their posts nonetheless. Why don't you go somewhere there are Nordicist authors and then your comments on the posts can be on topic.

    “You are the main person talking about it, and you are responsible for the off topic subracialism”

    I did not make any direct reference or indirect reference to this term, which you have yet to define. Do you make up things as you go along?

    “You are the main person talking about it…”

    I am making a point, one that is clearly going over your head, or perhaps you are being obtuse. I’ll break it down for you. Among the Alt Right there are competing points of view. Specifically:

    Is there a racial hierarchy?

    Is there a “European pecking order”?

    Are “real Americans” only those individuals who are able to directly trace their ancestry to the British Isles?

    Is there such a thing as “fake Americans” or “paper Americans”?

    Have Europeans who emigrated to the United States been able to comprehend our democratic principles?

    Are there certain groups of people who emigrate to the United States who are incapable of assimilating into our society?

    Please answer “yes” or “no” and offer reasons why.

    “No author here espouses Nordic subracialism / AngloSaxonsm”

    Yes, there are authors here like Anonym and Blair Mountain, who I believe is the same poster.

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    Among the Alt Right there are competing points of view.
     
    This isn't an Alt. Right site, and you admit the only person espousing Nordicism here is a single off topic commenter sockpuppeting . Unless your goal is to create the impression that this is a site of nuzis, it does not seem a very productive use of your time to be arguing with and giving credibility to him in these threads, whereby you keep going over the same off topic subject .

    The Alt Right viewpoint is surely epitomized by the only person within the Alt Right who anybody has heard of , and the man who coined the phrase Alt Right, : the haircut formerly known as Richard Spencer. Go to the site founded by Spencer http://alternative-right.blogspot.com/ if you want to find out about and comment on Alt. Right author's views. There will be plenty of real commenters there happy to argue on the subject so dear to your heart .

    I think if you take the aforementioned advice, you'll find that Spencer says the US belongs to whites. That is the Alt Right view, and I don't know why a lone sockpuppeting nut making off topic comments at UNZ (not by any stretch an Alt. Right site) would be given equal weight with Spencer at the premier Alternative Right site. For the avoidance of doubt, I'll reiterate. Spencer / the Alt. Right's view is that whites are real Americans, not that “real Americans” are only those individuals who are able to directly trace their ancestry to the British Isles. And again this site has no authors, none at all, whose views on what constitutes real Americans are at all similar to even Spencer's.


    Are there certain groups of people who emigrate to the United States who are incapable of assimilating into our society? Please answer “yes” or “no” and offer reasons why.
     
    I'll explain my thinking, but I think it is fair enough that I determine the form of my answer to your OFF TOPIC questions. Obviously, without serious pathology, any human can assimilate in the sense of picking up the language and doing jobs that Americans do. Should they though? Not unless the culture of Mexico is so worthless that Mexicans will be better off entirely abandoning it, and the evidence suggests that Mexicans do worse as they assimilate to American culture. There is a trend for downward assimilation (increasingly poor outcomes with successive generations)

    PREVIOUS immigrant groups typically saw progress with each passing generation, but Hispanic numbers have a habit of stalling or even heading backwards. American-born children of Hispanic immigrants tend to be less healthy than their parents, have higher divorce rates and go to jail more often. Jump from migrants’ children to their grandchildren, and studies have shown academic results slipping in the third generation. Conservatives fret about “downward assimilation” [...]Steve Murdock of Rice University, a former boss of the US Census bureau, recently published a paper warning Texans that Hispanics are not getting enough advanced degrees and qualifications to replace highly educated whites retiring from their state’s workforce. By 2050, his study predicts, Hispanic workers will outnumber white ones in Texas by almost three to one, but without a change in education policy the state will be poorer and less competitive.
     
    Yucatán has a lower homicide rate than Canada. I think Mexican culture is ideal for Mexicans, but American culture is deleterious for Mexicans-- wherever they live.

    Lets get back on topic. The immigrants to France are going to assimilate, yes. But that does not necessarily mean that are going to be more effective in their own lives or as citizens making a contribution to the French state community. French culture is not the strict culture that Algerians or Africans have adapted through countless generation to assimilating, and the outcome of a Arab or African parentage person born in France assimilating to French culture is not going to be the same as the outcome of a native French person assimilating to permissive French culture. People are at their best and most effective in their own native culture. Bringing nonEuropeans to France and encouraging them to assimilate to the French way of life is no good for the people concerned, and no good for France either.

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  161. Corvinus says:
    @Bel Riose
    Because I'm not the one who made a blanket statement about human behavior and then failed to substantiate it, that's why.

    Stop ducking the issue and back up your comment. Cite the relevant authorities and provide links.

    And in any event -- it's much more enjoyable to hoist you with your own pedantic, niggling petard, you insufferable nitwit.

    “Because I’m not the one who made a blanket statement about human behavior and then failed to substantiate it, that’s why.”

    Follow your own advice before you start pointing fingers. You said, “I mean we all know that insufferable pedantry coupled with a total absence of any original input is your M.O. around here, but geez…at least make an *effort* to respond!”

    “Stop ducking the issue and back up your comment. Cite the relevant authorities and provide links.”

    Let’s review. Neutral made the comment “Sorry but there is something very wrong with Macron and his wife. At a very basic instinctive level most know how freakish this is.”

    Now, did he offer evidence to back up his assertion? Should you not be taking umbrage with him from the start?”

    I responded, “Actually, most people don’t view it in the manner you do.” The exchange was rhetorical in nature, not dialectic. There was no need to offer “evidence”. Do you comprehend the difference? If not, I am more than willing to offer a primer on the subject. Even better, go to Vox Day’s website. He is outstanding in the use of rhetoric.

    See, if most people took this position according to neutral, then there would 1) several stories in the media, mainstream or alternative, that would have been crafting this narrative how freakish is this couple, 2) conservative blogs dedicated precious digital ink to this story, 3) comments ranging in the millions responding in agreement to these sources, and 4) several follow-ups on this very topic.

    “And in any event — it’s much more enjoyable to hoist you with your own pedantic, niggling petard, you insufferable nitwit.”

    You hung yourself first. I cut you down so you wouldn’t needlessly suffer. That is the Christian in me.

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  162. Corvinus says:
    @attilathehen
    You are part of the problem. Religion cannot overcome IQ deficits among the races. IQ is an objective reality. World history can be summed up in 2 words: IQ.

    Blacks/Asians have the lowest IQs and therefore cannot have a voice in Western matters.
    Christianity works best with Caucasians/Europeans. If blacks/Asians want to be Christian, they must have their own churches. We can now see that miscegenation destroyed Egypt and India. In Caucasian Egypt, mixing with blacks, and in Aryan, India mixing with Asians.

    The RCC is a huge problem because it claims to be the "universal church." This means blacks/Asians must be treated as equals (when they are not). The RCC has to be divided. There is already a de facto schism based on gay marriage, birth control, women priests. The racial divide must now be addressed.

    If you want to worship in a multi-culti church, you can go to Brazil.

    We need a new church for the West.

    “You are part of the problem. Religion cannot overcome IQ deficits among the races.”

    The train is fine, the train is fine.

    “Christianity works best with Caucasians/Europeans.”

    Dear, I must admit, I never heard this argument before. Since when has Christianity ever made this claim? Please be specific.

    “If blacks/Asians want to be Christian, they must have their own churches.”

    Son, Christianity has no such provision. I imagine that you have several Biblical references specifying exactly how whites and non-whites are to be separated in this fashion.

    “We can now see that miscegenation destroyed Egypt and India. In Caucasian Egypt, mixing with blacks, and in Aryan, India mixing with Asians.”

    Christian men and women have free will to marry whomever they prefer regardless of race.

    “The RCC is a huge problem because it claims to be the “universal church.” This means blacks/Asians must be treated as equals (when they are not). The RCC has to be divided. There is already a de facto schism based on gay marriage, birth control, women priests. The racial divide must now be addressed.”

    You are way out of touch with reality. Seek forgiveness in the Lord. Peace be with you.

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    "You are way out of touch with reality..." I don't where you live, but I suggest you move to Detroit, Baltimore, Ferguson.

    Or how about the RCC country Haiti? Or RCC El Salvador which produced MS-13?

    Which country is better: RCC Philippines or Shinto/Buddhist Japan?

    I am not an atheist. I do believe in God because when I die, I want answers.

    The Bible says humans are made in God's image. This doesn't look good upon God when you look at blacks/Asians.

    You are the flipside of the coin of liberals who believe in the evolutionary progress of man. You believe people can progress with grace.

    The commentators on this site have IQs of 90+. I suggest you spend your time with people with IQs of 89 or less. I have already named several cities/countries for you.

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  163. @Corvinus
    "You are part of the problem. Religion cannot overcome IQ deficits among the races."

    The train is fine, the train is fine.

    "Christianity works best with Caucasians/Europeans."

    Dear, I must admit, I never heard this argument before. Since when has Christianity ever made this claim? Please be specific.

    "If blacks/Asians want to be Christian, they must have their own churches."

    Son, Christianity has no such provision. I imagine that you have several Biblical references specifying exactly how whites and non-whites are to be separated in this fashion.

    "We can now see that miscegenation destroyed Egypt and India. In Caucasian Egypt, mixing with blacks, and in Aryan, India mixing with Asians."

    Christian men and women have free will to marry whomever they prefer regardless of race.

    "The RCC is a huge problem because it claims to be the “universal church.” This means blacks/Asians must be treated as equals (when they are not). The RCC has to be divided. There is already a de facto schism based on gay marriage, birth control, women priests. The racial divide must now be addressed."

    You are way out of touch with reality. Seek forgiveness in the Lord. Peace be with you.

    “You are way out of touch with reality…” I don’t where you live, but I suggest you move to Detroit, Baltimore, Ferguson.

    Or how about the RCC country Haiti? Or RCC El Salvador which produced MS-13?

    Which country is better: RCC Philippines or Shinto/Buddhist Japan?

    I am not an atheist. I do believe in God because when I die, I want answers.

    The Bible says humans are made in God’s image. This doesn’t look good upon God when you look at blacks/Asians.

    You are the flipside of the coin of liberals who believe in the evolutionary progress of man. You believe people can progress with grace.

    The commentators on this site have IQs of 90+. I suggest you spend your time with people with IQs of 89 or less. I have already named several cities/countries for you.

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    The commentators on this site have IQs of 90+
     
    Wow, that's impressive!
    , @Corvinus
    You made two claims--“Christianity works best with Caucasians/Europeans.” and "If blacks/Asians want to be Christian, they must have their own churches" without backing them up.

    So, what specific church doctrines or biblical references or papal bulls lend evidence here? With your impressive 90+ IQ, offering perspective here should take you no more than 3 minutes of intensive research and 1 minute of cogent writing.

    "The Bible says humans are made in God’s image. This doesn’t look good upon God when you look at blacks/Asians."

    What doesn't look good before God's eyes is refusing to embrace your fellow Christians simply because of their race. He saves All souls, not white ones. He loves ALL of his followers, not white ones. Why do you despite the work of God?

    "You believe people can progress with grace."

    God believes people can progress with His grace.

    Peter 5:10--And after you have suffered a little while, the God of all grace, who has called you to his eternal glory in Christ, will himself restore, confirm, strengthen, and establish you.
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  164. Art Deco says:
    @Dumbo
    There's nothing so strange about a young pédé with political ambitions marrying an older rich heiress with lots of contacts in the world of finance. The rich don't marry for love or sex, but for convenience and power.

    There’s nothing so strange about a young pédé with political ambitions marrying an older rich heiress with lots of contacts in the world of finance.

    Actually, a bride 24 years older than her husband is unusual in any circumstance. She wasn’t rich and she didn’t have ‘contacts’. She was a schoolteacher with a husband and 3 children.

    The rich don’t marry for love or sex, but for convenience and power.

    “The rich” of which you’re speaking are a fiction in your head.

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    She was married to a banker and her dad owner of a chocolate factory. You know, you could have looked it up in Wikipedia.

    Brigitte Macron was born Brigitte Marie-Claude Trogneux in Amiens, France. Her parents were Simone (née Pujol; 1910–1998) and Jean Trogneux (1909–1994), owners of the old Chocolateries Trogneux[4]. She was the youngest of their six children.[1]

    On 22 June 1974, she married the banker André-Louis Auzière, with whom she had three children.
     
    Yes, the marriage of and Anthony Weiner and Humma Abedin was for "love".
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  165. Nico says:
    @attilathehen
    Do you accept black/Asian priests-popes?

    Depends. If you’re talking about an “Oreo” or as Madame Chiang described herself, “a Westerner with an Oriental face,” fine. But at one point in the Spanish conquest of the Americas decreed the indigenous men unfit for the priesthood and with good reason: they hadn’t had the kind of inculturation to absorb the material. If they had only taken that same side view in the 20th century they wouldn’t have rushed to Africanize the hierarchy in Africa long before they were ready.

    And even that’s not taking into account that the Christian priesthood requires (or ought to require) a minimum threshold of IQ and EQ. The IQ threshold is met more rarely on average in Africa than in Europe and the EQ, more rarely in East Asia. If the Vatican hadn’t decided to snivel before the liberal new masters of the West and “prove” that the Church was “less racist than Antifa” and simply apply the same intellectual, doctrinal and personality criteria across the board, the concentration of clergy at all levels and especially the bishoprics would remain very disproportionately European (or on the white side of the mestizo/mulatto spectra) for a very long time, because, well, that’s what nature produced intellectually and personality-wise.

    Besides, the African and Asian priests they import into the West are often the *most* competent priests these continents produce (in order not to shock the Westerner faithful into racial “heresey”), so they end up having to export European priests to do the actual work, anyway. Lots of needless flights, but Papa Bergoglio with his encyclicals on environmental ethics doesn’t seem to have captured that P.C. is bad for global warming.

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    "But at one point in the Spanish conquest of the Americas decreed the indigenous men unfit for the priesthood and with good reason: they hadn’t had the kind of inculturation to absorb the material."

    Which I could see at the time being a decision out of necessity. However, once the Spanish curb stomped the natives into submission and indoctrinated the children with Christian teachings, eventually the indigenous men would be properly equipped to carry out the Word of God.

    I didn't realize that God commanded race as a necessity or priority to spread the faith. Do you have the requisite Bible passages that lend validity to your argument?

    "If they had only taken that same side view in the 20th century they wouldn’t have rushed to Africanize the hierarchy in Africa long before they were ready."

    Then again, it should be God, not mortal men, to make the decision as to who is "ready" to "officially" spread the faith.

    Actually, the Vatican was conducting the work of God by

    "because, well, that’s what nature produced intellectually and personality-wise."

    Nature AND environment.

    "Besides, the African and Asian priests they import into the West are often the *most* competent priests these continents produce (in order not to shock the Westerner faithful into racial “heresey”)"

    No, they import priests who are able to perform their work.

    "so they end up having to export European priests to do the actual work, anyway."

    No, they do not "export" European priests to Africa to do the "actual work", the locals there handle their own Christian business.
    , @attilathehen
    "Depends..." No, the RCC is a hierarchical institution which believers are bound to implicitly obey.

    A priest is "personae Christi" so you must accept any priest, bishop or pope chosen for you.

    You are useful like Corvinus in that you show the degeneracy of the RCC. And why it can no longer work.

    Juckin and jivin black priests and inscrutable Asian priests are the end of the priesthood.
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  166. Sean says:
    @Corvinus
    "You are the main person talking about it, and you are responsible for the off topic subracialism"

    I did not make any direct reference or indirect reference to this term, which you have yet to define. Do you make up things as you go along?

    "You are the main person talking about it..."

    I am making a point, one that is clearly going over your head, or perhaps you are being obtuse. I'll break it down for you. Among the Alt Right there are competing points of view. Specifically:

    Is there a racial hierarchy?

    Is there a "European pecking order"?

    Are "real Americans" only those individuals who are able to directly trace their ancestry to the British Isles?

    Is there such a thing as "fake Americans" or "paper Americans"?

    Have Europeans who emigrated to the United States been able to comprehend our democratic principles?

    Are there certain groups of people who emigrate to the United States who are incapable of assimilating into our society?

    Please answer "yes" or "no" and offer reasons why.

    "No author here espouses Nordic subracialism / AngloSaxonsm"

    Yes, there are authors here like Anonym and Blair Mountain, who I believe is the same poster.

    Among the Alt Right there are competing points of view.

    This isn’t an Alt. Right site, and you admit the only person espousing Nordicism here is a single off topic commenter sockpuppeting . Unless your goal is to create the impression that this is a site of nuzis, it does not seem a very productive use of your time to be arguing with and giving credibility to him in these threads, whereby you keep going over the same off topic subject .

    The Alt Right viewpoint is surely epitomized by the only person within the Alt Right who anybody has heard of , and the man who coined the phrase Alt Right, : the haircut formerly known as Richard Spencer. Go to the site founded by Spencer http://alternative-right.blogspot.com/ if you want to find out about and comment on Alt. Right author’s views. There will be plenty of real commenters there happy to argue on the subject so dear to your heart .

    I think if you take the aforementioned advice, you’ll find that Spencer says the US belongs to whites. That is the Alt Right view, and I don’t know why a lone sockpuppeting nut making off topic comments at UNZ (not by any stretch an Alt. Right site) would be given equal weight with Spencer at the premier Alternative Right site. For the avoidance of doubt, I’ll reiterate. Spencer / the Alt. Right’s view is that whites are real Americans, not that “real Americans” are only those individuals who are able to directly trace their ancestry to the British Isles. And again this site has no authors, none at all, whose views on what constitutes real Americans are at all similar to even Spencer’s.

    Are there certain groups of people who emigrate to the United States who are incapable of assimilating into our society? Please answer “yes” or “no” and offer reasons why.

    I’ll explain my thinking, but I think it is fair enough that I determine the form of my answer to your OFF TOPIC questions. Obviously, without serious pathology, any human can assimilate in the sense of picking up the language and doing jobs that Americans do. Should they though? Not unless the culture of Mexico is so worthless that Mexicans will be better off entirely abandoning it, and the evidence suggests that Mexicans do worse as they assimilate to American culture. There is a trend for downward assimilation (increasingly poor outcomes with successive generations)

    PREVIOUS immigrant groups typically saw progress with each passing generation, but Hispanic numbers have a habit of stalling or even heading backwards. American-born children of Hispanic immigrants tend to be less healthy than their parents, have higher divorce rates and go to jail more often. Jump from migrants’ children to their grandchildren, and studies have shown academic results slipping in the third generation. Conservatives fret about “downward assimilation” [...]Steve Murdock of Rice University, a former boss of the US Census bureau, recently published a paper warning Texans that Hispanics are not getting enough advanced degrees and qualifications to replace highly educated whites retiring from their state’s workforce. By 2050, his study predicts, Hispanic workers will outnumber white ones in Texas by almost three to one, but without a change in education policy the state will be poorer and less competitive.

    Yucatán has a lower homicide rate than Canada. I think Mexican culture is ideal for Mexicans, but American culture is deleterious for Mexicans– wherever they live.

    Lets get back on topic. The immigrants to France are going to assimilate, yes. But that does not necessarily mean that are going to be more effective in their own lives or as citizens making a contribution to the French state community. French culture is not the strict culture that Algerians or Africans have adapted through countless generation to assimilating, and the outcome of a Arab or African parentage person born in France assimilating to French culture is not going to be the same as the outcome of a native French person assimilating to permissive French culture. People are at their best and most effective in their own native culture. Bringing nonEuropeans to France and encouraging them to assimilate to the French way of life is no good for the people concerned, and no good for France either.

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    Hello, anybody home? What is “sub racialism”? Why are you refusing to define this term when you brought it up?

    “This isn’t an Alt. Right site…”

    It is a site where several commenters clearly are members of the Alt Right.

    “and you admit the only person espousing Nordicism here is a single off topic commenter sockpuppeting. Unless your goal is to create the impression that this is a site of nuzis…”

    I have made no direct reference nor implication. YOU have made that assumption. Of course this site is NOT a Nazi site, nor a white supremacy site, nor a Neo-Nazi site.

    “it does not seem a very productive use of your time to be arguing with and giving credibility to him in these threads, whereby you keep going over the same off topic subject.”

    

[Whoosh] That is the sound of my main points going over your head.

    “The Alt Right viewpoint is surely epitomized by the only person within the Alt Right who anybody has heard of , and the man who coined the phrase Alt Right, : the haircut formerly known as Richard Spencer.”

    Why are you being disingenuous here? There are several umbrellas within the Alt Right. There are competing philosophies within this movement.

    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/File:Scharlachs-visualizing-neoreaction.png

    “Go to the site founded by Spencer http://alternative-right.blogspot.com/ if you want to find out about and comment on Alt. Right author’s views. There will be plenty of real commenters there happy to argue on the subject so dear to your heart.”

    I am not speaking about his views. I am articulating the views held by Vox Day and others. That point has been made clear from the start.

    “I think if you take the aforementioned advice, you’ll find that Spencer says the US belongs to whites. That is the Alt Right view…”

    No, Spencer's position is the Alt White view. There is also Alt West and Alt Lite. All fall under the umbrella of the Alt Right.

    “and I don’t know why a lone sockpuppeting nut making off topic comments at UNZ (not by any stretch an Alt. Right site) would be given equal weight with Spencer at the premier Alternative Right site.”

    Do you even know what sockpuppeting is? It refers to one poster who uses multiple identities to get their point across. I have not engaged in “sockpuppeting”. Speaking of concepts, what is “sub racialism”? Why are you refusing to define it when you brought it up?

    “For the avoidance of doubt, I’ll reiterate. Spencer / the Alt. Right’s view is that whites are real Americans, not that “real Americans” are only those individuals who are able to directly trace their ancestry to the British Isles.”

    There is Spencer’s perspective and the one held by Vox Day as I have been clearly stating. Two completely different points of view. Vox Day dismisses Spencer’s position regarding “white supremacy”, but has his own position regarding what are “real Americans”. Do you understand nuance?

    “And again this site has no authors, none at all, whose views on what constitutes real Americans are at all similar to even Spencer’s.”

    Yes, there are several posters here who feel that way. I named two in particular.

    “Obviously, without serious pathology, any human can assimilate in the sense of picking up the language and doing jobs that Americans do. Should they though? Not unless the culture of Mexico is so worthless that Mexicans will be better off entirely abandoning it…”

    Using your logic, then any and all immigrants to our nation should have “stayed home” since their culture from your lens is other than “worthless”.

    “and the evidence suggests that Mexicans do worse as they assimilate to American culture. There is a trend for downward assimilation (increasingly poor outcomes with successive generations)”

    Your first link counters your assertion that “Mexicans do worse as they assimilate to American culture”. Moreover, the same arguments used today by “nativists” against immigrants were employed against the Irish/Germans in the 1850’s, the Italians/Slavs in the 1890’s, and the Chinese/Japanese in the 1880’s through the 1920’s.

    Do you have a link to Murdoch’s study?

    “Yucatán has a lower homicide rate than Canada. I think Mexican culture is ideal for Mexicans, but American culture is deleterious for Mexicans– wherever they live.”



    American culture consists of a blend of racial and ethnic groups. Moreover, should not Mexicans judge for themselves if American culture is “harmful” to them? I would imagine they would refrain from leaving if they had those sentiments.

    “Lets get back on topic. The immigrants to France are going to assimilate, yes. But that does not necessarily mean that are going to be more effective in their own lives or as citizens making a contribution to the French state community.”

    It also does not necessarily mean that are going to be less effective in their own lives or as citizens making a contribution. Furthermore, you do realize “culture” is a word that originated from France, and that this nation has a wide range of influences. Here, educate yourself…

    http://www.livescience.com/39149-french-culture.html

    “People are at their best and most effective in their own native culture.”

    First, what metrics are you using here? Please specific.

    Second, American culture is an amalgamation of culture.

    Third, if that be the case, then any and all cultures would have remained separated so as not to “denigrate” their culture.

    “Bringing nonEuropeans to France and encouraging them to assimilate to the French way of life is no good for the people concerned, and no good for France either.”

    I appreciate your opinion on the matter.

    Hello, anybody home? What is “sub racialism”? Why are you refusing to define this term when you brought it up?
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  167. Sean says:
    @englishmike
    I meant that the result of the referendum was mainly due to... etc.

    Sean, I know what you meant: that the referendum result (the "vote") was not about the voters' choice of "remain" or "leave" but about the reasons people voted as they did.

    My point was simpler: you are factually incorrect. People voted (as they do in elections) on the basis of the "question" asked. Their reasons may be simple or they may be many and varied; but as far as the vote is concerned those reasons are irrelevant - except to people who are more interested in discussing their own opinions about why people might have voted as they did.

    My point is simple but I think it vitally important. If we all regarded our own vote, and other people's, in that more objective, uncontentious way, people might be less inclined to destroy what little democracy remains in their society by reacting violently to those who voted differently, on the assumption that the reasons for voting as they did were in some way "deplorable".

    Well that cuts both ways because if the anti EU worker immigration feeling behind the vote is not articulated ( and it isn’t being) the Brexiteer free market ideologues can claim to be enforcing the people’s Brexit will while leaving millions of Poles ect here after Britain leaves the EU, and keeping a massive inflow of EU immigrant workers forever after. I don’t see anything good in not mentioning that the Brexit referendum result turned on British workers’ opposition to EU immigrants, who capitalist are using to keep wages down. Britain is, unlike France, in the fortunate position of being economically sturdy enough to leave the EU, and the sooner the chattering classes understand that Brexit came largely because EU immigration to Britain lacks the democratic consent of the British people, the better.

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    Notice that I haven't disagreed with your assertions about what "British workers" feel about immigration, merely with your assumption that you know what they feel on the basis of a referendum which did not ask them about that subject.
    Yes, it "cuts both ways" because if you can "interpret" a vote according to your preference so can the "chattering classes", with whom you appear to have something in common.
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  168. Truth says:
    @attilathehen
    "You are way out of touch with reality..." I don't where you live, but I suggest you move to Detroit, Baltimore, Ferguson.

    Or how about the RCC country Haiti? Or RCC El Salvador which produced MS-13?

    Which country is better: RCC Philippines or Shinto/Buddhist Japan?

    I am not an atheist. I do believe in God because when I die, I want answers.

    The Bible says humans are made in God's image. This doesn't look good upon God when you look at blacks/Asians.

    You are the flipside of the coin of liberals who believe in the evolutionary progress of man. You believe people can progress with grace.

    The commentators on this site have IQs of 90+. I suggest you spend your time with people with IQs of 89 or less. I have already named several cities/countries for you.

    The commentators on this site have IQs of 90+

    Wow, that’s impressive!

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    Truth - did y'all hea' that? We two is commentators on UNZ too! We in the 90+ IQ club with massa'!

    Now we's don' have ta shuck n' jive no mo'!
    , @attilathehen
    Truth, you called upon Derbyshire for help because things were getting a little hot in the comments section.

    Do you approve of Derb's china woman?

    I'll analyze your IQ after you answer.

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  169. Corvinus says:
    @Sean

    Among the Alt Right there are competing points of view.
     
    This isn't an Alt. Right site, and you admit the only person espousing Nordicism here is a single off topic commenter sockpuppeting . Unless your goal is to create the impression that this is a site of nuzis, it does not seem a very productive use of your time to be arguing with and giving credibility to him in these threads, whereby you keep going over the same off topic subject .

    The Alt Right viewpoint is surely epitomized by the only person within the Alt Right who anybody has heard of , and the man who coined the phrase Alt Right, : the haircut formerly known as Richard Spencer. Go to the site founded by Spencer http://alternative-right.blogspot.com/ if you want to find out about and comment on Alt. Right author's views. There will be plenty of real commenters there happy to argue on the subject so dear to your heart .

    I think if you take the aforementioned advice, you'll find that Spencer says the US belongs to whites. That is the Alt Right view, and I don't know why a lone sockpuppeting nut making off topic comments at UNZ (not by any stretch an Alt. Right site) would be given equal weight with Spencer at the premier Alternative Right site. For the avoidance of doubt, I'll reiterate. Spencer / the Alt. Right's view is that whites are real Americans, not that “real Americans” are only those individuals who are able to directly trace their ancestry to the British Isles. And again this site has no authors, none at all, whose views on what constitutes real Americans are at all similar to even Spencer's.


    Are there certain groups of people who emigrate to the United States who are incapable of assimilating into our society? Please answer “yes” or “no” and offer reasons why.
     
    I'll explain my thinking, but I think it is fair enough that I determine the form of my answer to your OFF TOPIC questions. Obviously, without serious pathology, any human can assimilate in the sense of picking up the language and doing jobs that Americans do. Should they though? Not unless the culture of Mexico is so worthless that Mexicans will be better off entirely abandoning it, and the evidence suggests that Mexicans do worse as they assimilate to American culture. There is a trend for downward assimilation (increasingly poor outcomes with successive generations)

    PREVIOUS immigrant groups typically saw progress with each passing generation, but Hispanic numbers have a habit of stalling or even heading backwards. American-born children of Hispanic immigrants tend to be less healthy than their parents, have higher divorce rates and go to jail more often. Jump from migrants’ children to their grandchildren, and studies have shown academic results slipping in the third generation. Conservatives fret about “downward assimilation” [...]Steve Murdock of Rice University, a former boss of the US Census bureau, recently published a paper warning Texans that Hispanics are not getting enough advanced degrees and qualifications to replace highly educated whites retiring from their state’s workforce. By 2050, his study predicts, Hispanic workers will outnumber white ones in Texas by almost three to one, but without a change in education policy the state will be poorer and less competitive.
     
    Yucatán has a lower homicide rate than Canada. I think Mexican culture is ideal for Mexicans, but American culture is deleterious for Mexicans-- wherever they live.

    Lets get back on topic. The immigrants to France are going to assimilate, yes. But that does not necessarily mean that are going to be more effective in their own lives or as citizens making a contribution to the French state community. French culture is not the strict culture that Algerians or Africans have adapted through countless generation to assimilating, and the outcome of a Arab or African parentage person born in France assimilating to French culture is not going to be the same as the outcome of a native French person assimilating to permissive French culture. People are at their best and most effective in their own native culture. Bringing nonEuropeans to France and encouraging them to assimilate to the French way of life is no good for the people concerned, and no good for France either.

    Hello, anybody home? What is “sub racialism”? Why are you refusing to define this term when you brought it up?

    “This isn’t an Alt. Right site…”

    It is a site where several commenters clearly are members of the Alt Right.

    “and you admit the only person espousing Nordicism here is a single off topic commenter sockpuppeting. Unless your goal is to create the impression that this is a site of nuzis…”

    I have made no direct reference nor implication. YOU have made that assumption. Of course this site is NOT a Nazi site, nor a white supremacy site, nor a Neo-Nazi site.

    “it does not seem a very productive use of your time to be arguing with and giving credibility to him in these threads, whereby you keep going over the same off topic subject.”

    

[Whoosh] That is the sound of my main points going over your head.

    “The Alt Right viewpoint is surely epitomized by the only person within the Alt Right who anybody has heard of , and the man who coined the phrase Alt Right, : the haircut formerly known as Richard Spencer.”

    Why are you being disingenuous here? There are several umbrellas within the Alt Right. There are competing philosophies within this movement.

    “Go to the site founded by Spencer http://alternative-right.blogspot.com/ if you want to find out about and comment on Alt. Right author’s views. There will be plenty of real commenters there happy to argue on the subject so dear to your heart.”

    I am not speaking about his views. I am articulating the views held by Vox Day and others. That point has been made clear from the start.

    “I think if you take the aforementioned advice, you’ll find that Spencer says the US belongs to whites. That is the Alt Right view…”

    No, Spencer’s position is the Alt White view. There is also Alt West and Alt Lite. All fall under the umbrella of the Alt Right.

    “and I don’t know why a lone sockpuppeting nut making off topic comments at UNZ (not by any stretch an Alt. Right site) would be given equal weight with Spencer at the premier Alternative Right site.”

    Do you even know what sockpuppeting is? It refers to one poster who uses multiple identities to get their point across. I have not engaged in “sockpuppeting”. Speaking of concepts, what is “sub racialism”? Why are you refusing to define it when you brought it up?

    “For the avoidance of doubt, I’ll reiterate. Spencer / the Alt. Right’s view is that whites are real Americans, not that “real Americans” are only those individuals who are able to directly trace their ancestry to the British Isles.”

    There is Spencer’s perspective and the one held by Vox Day as I have been clearly stating. Two completely different points of view. Vox Day dismisses Spencer’s position regarding “white supremacy”, but has his own position regarding what are “real Americans”. Do you understand nuance?

    “And again this site has no authors, none at all, whose views on what constitutes real Americans are at all similar to even Spencer’s.”

    Yes, there are several posters here who feel that way. I named two in particular.

    “Obviously, without serious pathology, any human can assimilate in the sense of picking up the language and doing jobs that Americans do. Should they though? Not unless the culture of Mexico is so worthless that Mexicans will be better off entirely abandoning it…”

    Using your logic, then any and all immigrants to our nation should have “stayed home” since their culture from your lens is other than “worthless”.

    “and the evidence suggests that Mexicans do worse as they assimilate to American culture. There is a trend for downward assimilation (increasingly poor outcomes with successive generations)”

    Your first link counters your assertion that “Mexicans do worse as they assimilate to American culture”. Moreover, the same arguments used today by “nativists” against immigrants were employed against the Irish/Germans in the 1850’s, the Italians/Slavs in the 1890’s, and the Chinese/Japanese in the 1880’s through the 1920’s.

    Do you have a link to Murdoch’s study?

    “Yucatán has a lower homicide rate than Canada. I think Mexican culture is ideal for Mexicans, but American culture is deleterious for Mexicans– wherever they live.”



    American culture consists of a blend of racial and ethnic groups. Moreover, should not Mexicans judge for themselves if American culture is “harmful” to them? I would imagine they would refrain from leaving if they had those sentiments.

    “Lets get back on topic. The immigrants to France are going to assimilate, yes. But that does not necessarily mean that are going to be more effective in their own lives or as citizens making a contribution to the French state community.”

    It also does not necessarily mean that are going to be less effective in their own lives or as citizens making a contribution. Furthermore, you do realize “culture” is a word that originated from France, and that this nation has a wide range of influences. Here, educate yourself…

    http://www.livescience.com/39149-french-culture.html

    “People are at their best and most effective in their own native culture.”

    First, what metrics are you using here? Please specific.

    Second, American culture is an amalgamation of culture.

    Third, if that be the case, then any and all cultures would have remained separated so as not to “denigrate” their culture.

    “Bringing nonEuropeans to France and encouraging them to assimilate to the French way of life is no good for the people concerned, and no good for France either.”

    I appreciate your opinion on the matter.

    Hello, anybody home? What is “sub racialism”? Why are you refusing to define this term when you brought it up?

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    In the context you keep dragging every thread on Unz back to, sub racialism is identical to Nordicism and also the view only those British US ancestry are true Americans. There I did what you asked and explained that view, which is not mine or anyone else but your playmate on UNZ who you said uses false identities.

    Spencer has about 1000 times the influence profile and readership of the, obscure and completely unknown to me untill you mentioned him, Vox Day. Spencer is 100% Alt Right and he is by no means an advocate of sub racialism /Nordicism / the view only those British US ancestry are true Americans, which are more of less the same thing, but not a Alt Right position, and never discussed by anyone on Unz except you and some lone nutzi with multiple identities, who gets into these threads with you.


    Hello, anybody home?
     
    There is nobody here who thinks the things you keep arguing against, so why don't you go to the obscure sites where people do think what you are arguing against, whereby you will be on topic for a change?
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  170. Corvinus says:
    @attilathehen
    "You are way out of touch with reality..." I don't where you live, but I suggest you move to Detroit, Baltimore, Ferguson.

    Or how about the RCC country Haiti? Or RCC El Salvador which produced MS-13?

    Which country is better: RCC Philippines or Shinto/Buddhist Japan?

    I am not an atheist. I do believe in God because when I die, I want answers.

    The Bible says humans are made in God's image. This doesn't look good upon God when you look at blacks/Asians.

    You are the flipside of the coin of liberals who believe in the evolutionary progress of man. You believe people can progress with grace.

    The commentators on this site have IQs of 90+. I suggest you spend your time with people with IQs of 89 or less. I have already named several cities/countries for you.

    You made two claims–“Christianity works best with Caucasians/Europeans.” and “If blacks/Asians want to be Christian, they must have their own churches” without backing them up.

    So, what specific church doctrines or biblical references or papal bulls lend evidence here? With your impressive 90+ IQ, offering perspective here should take you no more than 3 minutes of intensive research and 1 minute of cogent writing.

    “The Bible says humans are made in God’s image. This doesn’t look good upon God when you look at blacks/Asians.”

    What doesn’t look good before God’s eyes is refusing to embrace your fellow Christians simply because of their race. He saves All souls, not white ones. He loves ALL of his followers, not white ones. Why do you despite the work of God?

    “You believe people can progress with grace.”

    God believes people can progress with His grace.

    Peter 5:10–And after you have suffered a little while, the God of all grace, who has called you to his eternal glory in Christ, will himself restore, confirm, strengthen, and establish you.

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    I said "commentators" general when talking about 90+ IQ. I'm well above that.

    The most objective reality is IQ. I see you can't answer my questions about the Filipinos v the Japanese. Or Haitians and El Salvadorans. And since you refuse to move to inferior countries, you are a subversive, willing to destroy the West.

    You do serve a good purpose though. Getting people to see the inconsistencies and illogic of the RCC. And the evil the RCC is bringing to Europe and European/Caucasian peoples all over the world.
    , @Anonymous
    Culture not religion...
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  171. Corvinus says:
    @Nico
    Depends. If you're talking about an "Oreo" or as Madame Chiang described herself, "a Westerner with an Oriental face," fine. But at one point in the Spanish conquest of the Americas decreed the indigenous men unfit for the priesthood and with good reason: they hadn't had the kind of inculturation to absorb the material. If they had only taken that same side view in the 20th century they wouldn't have rushed to Africanize the hierarchy in Africa long before they were ready.

    And even that's not taking into account that the Christian priesthood requires (or ought to require) a minimum threshold of IQ and EQ. The IQ threshold is met more rarely on average in Africa than in Europe and the EQ, more rarely in East Asia. If the Vatican hadn't decided to snivel before the liberal new masters of the West and "prove" that the Church was "less racist than Antifa" and simply apply the same intellectual, doctrinal and personality criteria across the board, the concentration of clergy at all levels and especially the bishoprics would remain very disproportionately European (or on the white side of the mestizo/mulatto spectra) for a very long time, because, well, that's what nature produced intellectually and personality-wise.

    Besides, the African and Asian priests they import into the West are often the *most* competent priests these continents produce (in order not to shock the Westerner faithful into racial "heresey"), so they end up having to export European priests to do the actual work, anyway. Lots of needless flights, but Papa Bergoglio with his encyclicals on environmental ethics doesn't seem to have captured that P.C. is bad for global warming.

    “But at one point in the Spanish conquest of the Americas decreed the indigenous men unfit for the priesthood and with good reason: they hadn’t had the kind of inculturation to absorb the material.”

    Which I could see at the time being a decision out of necessity. However, once the Spanish curb stomped the natives into submission and indoctrinated the children with Christian teachings, eventually the indigenous men would be properly equipped to carry out the Word of God.

    I didn’t realize that God commanded race as a necessity or priority to spread the faith. Do you have the requisite Bible passages that lend validity to your argument?

    “If they had only taken that same side view in the 20th century they wouldn’t have rushed to Africanize the hierarchy in Africa long before they were ready.”

    Then again, it should be God, not mortal men, to make the decision as to who is “ready” to “officially” spread the faith.

    Actually, the Vatican was conducting the work of God by

    “because, well, that’s what nature produced intellectually and personality-wise.”

    Nature AND environment.

    “Besides, the African and Asian priests they import into the West are often the *most* competent priests these continents produce (in order not to shock the Westerner faithful into racial “heresey”)”

    No, they import priests who are able to perform their work.

    “so they end up having to export European priests to do the actual work, anyway.”

    No, they do not “export” European priests to Africa to do the “actual work”, the locals there handle their own Christian business.

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    Hey Corvinus,

    the Spanish curb stomped the natives into submission
     
    Dang, I've never seen it put that way, but it about sums it up.

    People do know there is an Ethiopian Orthodox church right? I mean the people of Abyssinia accepted the religion centuries before most of Europe did:

    https://www.britannica.com/topic/Ethiopian-Orthodox-Tewahedo-Church

    They are non-Chalcedonian, but in that they simply affirm their historic roots that bind them with the Copts.

    I am honestly shocked that you are having to have these conversations with other Christians - one of Christianity's primary strengths was declaring the equality of all souls before God. This syncretism with Darwinism is a product of the post-modern world - would European Christians actually refuse a Black pope even if he was judged both morally and intellectually capable of holding office? Ask your interlocutors this - it will be the only question you need to ask.

    Peace.
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  172. Sean says:
    @Corvinus
    Hello, anybody home? What is “sub racialism”? Why are you refusing to define this term when you brought it up?

    “This isn’t an Alt. Right site…”

    It is a site where several commenters clearly are members of the Alt Right.

    “and you admit the only person espousing Nordicism here is a single off topic commenter sockpuppeting. Unless your goal is to create the impression that this is a site of nuzis…”

    I have made no direct reference nor implication. YOU have made that assumption. Of course this site is NOT a Nazi site, nor a white supremacy site, nor a Neo-Nazi site.

    “it does not seem a very productive use of your time to be arguing with and giving credibility to him in these threads, whereby you keep going over the same off topic subject.”

    

[Whoosh] That is the sound of my main points going over your head.

    “The Alt Right viewpoint is surely epitomized by the only person within the Alt Right who anybody has heard of , and the man who coined the phrase Alt Right, : the haircut formerly known as Richard Spencer.”

    Why are you being disingenuous here? There are several umbrellas within the Alt Right. There are competing philosophies within this movement.

    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/File:Scharlachs-visualizing-neoreaction.png

    “Go to the site founded by Spencer http://alternative-right.blogspot.com/ if you want to find out about and comment on Alt. Right author’s views. There will be plenty of real commenters there happy to argue on the subject so dear to your heart.”

    I am not speaking about his views. I am articulating the views held by Vox Day and others. That point has been made clear from the start.

    “I think if you take the aforementioned advice, you’ll find that Spencer says the US belongs to whites. That is the Alt Right view…”

    No, Spencer's position is the Alt White view. There is also Alt West and Alt Lite. All fall under the umbrella of the Alt Right.

    “and I don’t know why a lone sockpuppeting nut making off topic comments at UNZ (not by any stretch an Alt. Right site) would be given equal weight with Spencer at the premier Alternative Right site.”

    Do you even know what sockpuppeting is? It refers to one poster who uses multiple identities to get their point across. I have not engaged in “sockpuppeting”. Speaking of concepts, what is “sub racialism”? Why are you refusing to define it when you brought it up?

    “For the avoidance of doubt, I’ll reiterate. Spencer / the Alt. Right’s view is that whites are real Americans, not that “real Americans” are only those individuals who are able to directly trace their ancestry to the British Isles.”

    There is Spencer’s perspective and the one held by Vox Day as I have been clearly stating. Two completely different points of view. Vox Day dismisses Spencer’s position regarding “white supremacy”, but has his own position regarding what are “real Americans”. Do you understand nuance?

    “And again this site has no authors, none at all, whose views on what constitutes real Americans are at all similar to even Spencer’s.”

    Yes, there are several posters here who feel that way. I named two in particular.

    “Obviously, without serious pathology, any human can assimilate in the sense of picking up the language and doing jobs that Americans do. Should they though? Not unless the culture of Mexico is so worthless that Mexicans will be better off entirely abandoning it…”

    Using your logic, then any and all immigrants to our nation should have “stayed home” since their culture from your lens is other than “worthless”.

    “and the evidence suggests that Mexicans do worse as they assimilate to American culture. There is a trend for downward assimilation (increasingly poor outcomes with successive generations)”

    Your first link counters your assertion that “Mexicans do worse as they assimilate to American culture”. Moreover, the same arguments used today by “nativists” against immigrants were employed against the Irish/Germans in the 1850’s, the Italians/Slavs in the 1890’s, and the Chinese/Japanese in the 1880’s through the 1920’s.

    Do you have a link to Murdoch’s study?

    “Yucatán has a lower homicide rate than Canada. I think Mexican culture is ideal for Mexicans, but American culture is deleterious for Mexicans– wherever they live.”



    American culture consists of a blend of racial and ethnic groups. Moreover, should not Mexicans judge for themselves if American culture is “harmful” to them? I would imagine they would refrain from leaving if they had those sentiments.

    “Lets get back on topic. The immigrants to France are going to assimilate, yes. But that does not necessarily mean that are going to be more effective in their own lives or as citizens making a contribution to the French state community.”

    It also does not necessarily mean that are going to be less effective in their own lives or as citizens making a contribution. Furthermore, you do realize “culture” is a word that originated from France, and that this nation has a wide range of influences. Here, educate yourself…

    http://www.livescience.com/39149-french-culture.html

    “People are at their best and most effective in their own native culture.”

    First, what metrics are you using here? Please specific.

    Second, American culture is an amalgamation of culture.

    Third, if that be the case, then any and all cultures would have remained separated so as not to “denigrate” their culture.

    “Bringing nonEuropeans to France and encouraging them to assimilate to the French way of life is no good for the people concerned, and no good for France either.”

    I appreciate your opinion on the matter.

    Hello, anybody home? What is “sub racialism”? Why are you refusing to define this term when you brought it up?

    In the context you keep dragging every thread on Unz back to, sub racialism is identical to Nordicism and also the view only those British US ancestry are true Americans. There I did what you asked and explained that view, which is not mine or anyone else but your playmate on UNZ who you said uses false identities.

    Spencer has about 1000 times the influence profile and readership of the, obscure and completely unknown to me untill you mentioned him, Vox Day. Spencer is 100% Alt Right and he is by no means an advocate of sub racialism /Nordicism / the view only those British US ancestry are true Americans, which are more of less the same thing, but not a Alt Right position, and never discussed by anyone on Unz except you and some lone nutzi with multiple identities, who gets into these threads with you.

    Hello, anybody home?

    There is nobody here who thinks the things you keep arguing against, so why don’t you go to the obscure sites where people do think what you are arguing against, whereby you will be on topic for a change?

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    "In the context you keep dragging every thread on Unz back to, sub racialism is identical to Nordicism..."

    How? Nordicism refers to the theory that the Nordic race is superior to other major races.
    So what does subracism specifically refer to? If it refers to subraces of the major races, what are those subraces? You keep hammering home this point without substance.

    "and also the view only those British US ancestry are true Americans."

    Which is a separate issue as I explained.

    "There I did what you asked and explained that view, which is not mine or anyone else but your playmate on UNZ who you said uses false identities."

    I do not have any "playmates" or other "identities" here. Just me. No sockpuppeting on my part.

    "Spencer has about 1000 times the influence profile and readership of the, obscure and completely unknown to me untill you mentioned him, Vox Day."

    Day is extremely well known within the Alt Right community. He runs a publishing house.
    He has written several books. He had a nationally syndicated column. Seriously, do your homework.

    "Spencer is 100% Alt Right and he is by no means an advocate of sub racialism /Nordicism"

    He has advocated for an Aryan homeland and called for "peaceful ethnic cleansing" to halt the "deconstruction" of European culture. He assuredly falls within the same vein. Stop covering for him.

    "the view only those British US ancestry are true Americans, which are more of less the same thing"

    Spencer's view and Day's views are NOT the same thing.

    "and never discussed by anyone on Unz except you and some lone nutzi with multiple identities, who gets into these threads with you."

    Yes, there are adherents to Nordicism.

    'There is nobody here who thinks the things you keep arguing against..."

    Yes, there are people here who hold those positions I clarified.

    Are you done here?
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  173. Talha says:
    @Corvinus
    "But at one point in the Spanish conquest of the Americas decreed the indigenous men unfit for the priesthood and with good reason: they hadn’t had the kind of inculturation to absorb the material."

    Which I could see at the time being a decision out of necessity. However, once the Spanish curb stomped the natives into submission and indoctrinated the children with Christian teachings, eventually the indigenous men would be properly equipped to carry out the Word of God.

    I didn't realize that God commanded race as a necessity or priority to spread the faith. Do you have the requisite Bible passages that lend validity to your argument?

    "If they had only taken that same side view in the 20th century they wouldn’t have rushed to Africanize the hierarchy in Africa long before they were ready."

    Then again, it should be God, not mortal men, to make the decision as to who is "ready" to "officially" spread the faith.

    Actually, the Vatican was conducting the work of God by

    "because, well, that’s what nature produced intellectually and personality-wise."

    Nature AND environment.

    "Besides, the African and Asian priests they import into the West are often the *most* competent priests these continents produce (in order not to shock the Westerner faithful into racial “heresey”)"

    No, they import priests who are able to perform their work.

    "so they end up having to export European priests to do the actual work, anyway."

    No, they do not "export" European priests to Africa to do the "actual work", the locals there handle their own Christian business.

    Hey Corvinus,

    the Spanish curb stomped the natives into submission

    Dang, I’ve never seen it put that way, but it about sums it up.

    People do know there is an Ethiopian Orthodox church right? I mean the people of Abyssinia accepted the religion centuries before most of Europe did:

    https://www.britannica.com/topic/Ethiopian-Orthodox-Tewahedo-Church

    They are non-Chalcedonian, but in that they simply affirm their historic roots that bind them with the Copts.

    I am honestly shocked that you are having to have these conversations with other Christians – one of Christianity’s primary strengths was declaring the equality of all souls before God. This syncretism with Darwinism is a product of the post-modern world – would European Christians actually refuse a Black pope even if he was judged both morally and intellectually capable of holding office? Ask your interlocutors this – it will be the only question you need to ask.

    Peace.

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    Hey Talha,

    European Christians actually refuse a Black pope even if he was judged both morally and intellectually capable of holding office?
     
    there are some that would balk no doubt, but then what about the Muslims in Libya today. Here they're locking blacks in a zoo and forcing them to eat flags. I don't know of any Christians that treat anyone like that, European or otherwise. (the people running Gitmo are not Christians ; )

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwKcUkLh49k

    a quick search would show that since the fall of Gadhafi, blacks in Libya are persecuted, tortured, murdered and even sold into slavery by the Arab, Muslim Libyans today.

    I don't consider that a blanket condemnation of Islam, but neither would I condemn the Polish or Irish if they didn't really want a black Pope.

    Peace

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  174. Talha says:
    @Truth

    The commentators on this site have IQs of 90+
     
    Wow, that's impressive!

    Truth – did y’all hea’ that? We two is commentators on UNZ too! We in the 90+ IQ club with massa’!

    Now we’s don’ have ta shuck n’ jive no mo’!

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    Hey Talha, you're back!!! Did the white muslim traditionalist mask not work out? I put your IQ at 91. You're a Pakistani (Asian) Muslim - not kosher. So you're comments will again be defending the heretical, degenerate Islam.
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  175. Rurik says:
    @Talha
    Hey Corvinus,

    the Spanish curb stomped the natives into submission
     
    Dang, I've never seen it put that way, but it about sums it up.

    People do know there is an Ethiopian Orthodox church right? I mean the people of Abyssinia accepted the religion centuries before most of Europe did:

    https://www.britannica.com/topic/Ethiopian-Orthodox-Tewahedo-Church

    They are non-Chalcedonian, but in that they simply affirm their historic roots that bind them with the Copts.

    I am honestly shocked that you are having to have these conversations with other Christians - one of Christianity's primary strengths was declaring the equality of all souls before God. This syncretism with Darwinism is a product of the post-modern world - would European Christians actually refuse a Black pope even if he was judged both morally and intellectually capable of holding office? Ask your interlocutors this - it will be the only question you need to ask.

    Peace.

    Hey Talha,

    European Christians actually refuse a Black pope even if he was judged both morally and intellectually capable of holding office?

    there are some that would balk no doubt, but then what about the Muslims in Libya today. Here they’re locking blacks in a zoo and forcing them to eat flags. I don’t know of any Christians that treat anyone like that, European or otherwise. (the people running Gitmo are not Christians ; )

    a quick search would show that since the fall of Gadhafi, blacks in Libya are persecuted, tortured, murdered and even sold into slavery by the Arab, Muslim Libyans today.

    I don’t consider that a blanket condemnation of Islam, but neither would I condemn the Polish or Irish if they didn’t really want a black Pope.

    Peace

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    Hey Rurik,

    There are no doubt racists in the Muslim world - I would never argue that Muslims are clean from this kind of stuff and other things not sanctioned by the sacred law. I'm talking about doctrine that people believe in. I can't think of a Muslim that would try to justify racism based on the sacred law any more than they could try to justify their drinking problem.


    neither would I condemn the Polish or Irish if they didn’t really want a black Pope
     
    I would 100% condemn the view of any Muslim that would refuse a qualified Muslim scholar a position (that he is intellectually and morally capable of holding) or refuse to listen to his ruling on a matter simply based on his ethnic background and not due to contrary sound evidence.

    Peace.

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  176. Talha says:
    @Rurik
    Hey Talha,

    European Christians actually refuse a Black pope even if he was judged both morally and intellectually capable of holding office?
     
    there are some that would balk no doubt, but then what about the Muslims in Libya today. Here they're locking blacks in a zoo and forcing them to eat flags. I don't know of any Christians that treat anyone like that, European or otherwise. (the people running Gitmo are not Christians ; )

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwKcUkLh49k

    a quick search would show that since the fall of Gadhafi, blacks in Libya are persecuted, tortured, murdered and even sold into slavery by the Arab, Muslim Libyans today.

    I don't consider that a blanket condemnation of Islam, but neither would I condemn the Polish or Irish if they didn't really want a black Pope.

    Peace

    Hey Rurik,

    There are no doubt racists in the Muslim world – I would never argue that Muslims are clean from this kind of stuff and other things not sanctioned by the sacred law. I’m talking about doctrine that people believe in. I can’t think of a Muslim that would try to justify racism based on the sacred law any more than they could try to justify their drinking problem.

    neither would I condemn the Polish or Irish if they didn’t really want a black Pope

    I would 100% condemn the view of any Muslim that would refuse a qualified Muslim scholar a position (that he is intellectually and morally capable of holding) or refuse to listen to his ruling on a matter simply based on his ethnic background and not due to contrary sound evidence.

    Peace.

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    Hey Talha,

    refuse to listen to his ruling on a matter simply based on his ethnic background
     
    it isn't that. Rather the Pope is a symbolic position, as the head of the church. Personally I wouldn't care the Pope were a little green Martian, so long as it/he/she repudiated priest rape and defended the gates of Europa/Christendom, but that's just me.

    But please note that I referred to it as 'Christendom', which is another word for Europa, or the West. And I really don't see why the West isn't capable anymore of finding worthy men of integrity and honor in its ranks to take on the important positions of leadership to head its institutions.

    Would the people of Pakistan accept a white or black man leading that nation as its Prime Minister- if that person was "intellectually and morally capable of holding" the position? Surely there are whites and blacks in Pakistan, and a few must have grown up there and be patriotic Pakistanis, no? Would the people of Pakistan accept one as Prime Minister?

    Would the Muslims of Saudi Arabia accept as their Grand Mufti a black man or a white man?

    why is it that Muslim countries and leaders are so friendly to racist dictators so long as the racist dictators are rabidly anti-white?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan%E2%80%93Zimbabwe_relations

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/apr/22/ahmadinejad-visit-mugabe-zimbabwe

    You Talha, (unique [and Westernized ; ] as I suspect that you are ; ) may not care a whit if the Prime Minister of Pakistan were a green Martian, but what about the majority of the people there? Would they accept someone who looks like Mike Pence or Al Sharpton as their Prime Minister or Grand Mufti?

    Peace

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  177. @Corvinus
    You made two claims--“Christianity works best with Caucasians/Europeans.” and "If blacks/Asians want to be Christian, they must have their own churches" without backing them up.

    So, what specific church doctrines or biblical references or papal bulls lend evidence here? With your impressive 90+ IQ, offering perspective here should take you no more than 3 minutes of intensive research and 1 minute of cogent writing.

    "The Bible says humans are made in God’s image. This doesn’t look good upon God when you look at blacks/Asians."

    What doesn't look good before God's eyes is refusing to embrace your fellow Christians simply because of their race. He saves All souls, not white ones. He loves ALL of his followers, not white ones. Why do you despite the work of God?

    "You believe people can progress with grace."

    God believes people can progress with His grace.

    Peter 5:10--And after you have suffered a little while, the God of all grace, who has called you to his eternal glory in Christ, will himself restore, confirm, strengthen, and establish you.

    I said “commentators” general when talking about 90+ IQ. I’m well above that.

    The most objective reality is IQ. I see you can’t answer my questions about the Filipinos v the Japanese. Or Haitians and El Salvadorans. And since you refuse to move to inferior countries, you are a subversive, willing to destroy the West.

    You do serve a good purpose though. Getting people to see the inconsistencies and illogic of the RCC. And the evil the RCC is bringing to Europe and European/Caucasian peoples all over the world.

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    You made two claims–“Christianity works best with Caucasians/Europeans.” and “If blacks/Asians want to be Christian, they must have their own churches” without backing them up.

    What specific church doctrines or biblical references or papal bulls lend evidence here?

    Moreover, how does IQ fall in line with Christian teachings regarding how congregations are formed? the saving of souls? the message of peace and love for all of His adherents?

    The more that you avoid addressing these pressing matters of faith, the more that you serve to anger God and incur his wrath.
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  178. @Nico
    Depends. If you're talking about an "Oreo" or as Madame Chiang described herself, "a Westerner with an Oriental face," fine. But at one point in the Spanish conquest of the Americas decreed the indigenous men unfit for the priesthood and with good reason: they hadn't had the kind of inculturation to absorb the material. If they had only taken that same side view in the 20th century they wouldn't have rushed to Africanize the hierarchy in Africa long before they were ready.

    And even that's not taking into account that the Christian priesthood requires (or ought to require) a minimum threshold of IQ and EQ. The IQ threshold is met more rarely on average in Africa than in Europe and the EQ, more rarely in East Asia. If the Vatican hadn't decided to snivel before the liberal new masters of the West and "prove" that the Church was "less racist than Antifa" and simply apply the same intellectual, doctrinal and personality criteria across the board, the concentration of clergy at all levels and especially the bishoprics would remain very disproportionately European (or on the white side of the mestizo/mulatto spectra) for a very long time, because, well, that's what nature produced intellectually and personality-wise.

    Besides, the African and Asian priests they import into the West are often the *most* competent priests these continents produce (in order not to shock the Westerner faithful into racial "heresey"), so they end up having to export European priests to do the actual work, anyway. Lots of needless flights, but Papa Bergoglio with his encyclicals on environmental ethics doesn't seem to have captured that P.C. is bad for global warming.

    “Depends…” No, the RCC is a hierarchical institution which believers are bound to implicitly obey.

    A priest is “personae Christi” so you must accept any priest, bishop or pope chosen for you.

    You are useful like Corvinus in that you show the degeneracy of the RCC. And why it can no longer work.

    Juckin and jivin black priests and inscrutable Asian priests are the end of the priesthood.

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    A priest is “personae Christi” so you must accept any priest, bishop or pope chosen for you.
     
    I am bound by magisterium to accept that he is in fact a priest, bishop or a pope. If he tells me to dissolve my country under a wave of Third World immigration I will not obey that command and I will encourage everyone I know to likewise disobey.

    Juckin and jivin black priests and inscrutable Asian priests are the end of the priesthood.
     
    Actually, I don't disagree with this.
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  179. @Talha
    Truth - did y'all hea' that? We two is commentators on UNZ too! We in the 90+ IQ club with massa'!

    Now we's don' have ta shuck n' jive no mo'!

    Hey Talha, you’re back!!! Did the white muslim traditionalist mask not work out? I put your IQ at 91. You’re a Pakistani (Asian) Muslim – not kosher. So you’re comments will again be defending the heretical, degenerate Islam.

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    Hey Sis,

    It's been a while.


    Did the white muslim traditionalist mask not work out?
     
    That ain't me - but that brother's alright in my book (I advised him to work on his etiquette a bit).

    I put your IQ at 91.
     
    Pffffssshhhwahahaha! I was (undeservedly) blessed to be in the GATE program in California when I was a kid. But all of that makes little difference - as my mother (may God grant he a long life) once advised me - the intelligent one is he who finds his abode in paradise.

    The brains of both the intelligent and the stupid are ultimately worm food.


    not kosher
     
    Halal.

    heretical, degenerate Islam
     
    Heretics...aren't we all?

    Peace.

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  180. @Truth

    The commentators on this site have IQs of 90+
     
    Wow, that's impressive!

    Truth, you called upon Derbyshire for help because things were getting a little hot in the comments section.

    Do you approve of Derb’s china woman?

    I’ll analyze your IQ after you answer.

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    I called upon Derbyshire?

    My "approval" or "disapproval" of Derbyshire's wife is inconsequential. He made a decision to marry someone, seems to have made a good family and is, by all accounts a good husband; good for him.

    I have ridiculed the Derb on many occasions for his duplicity, not for his marriage. He continually harps on a few points:

    1) interracial relationships are tearing at the fiber of white cohesiveness and are pushed by the liberals - all the while he has been in one for 25+ years.

    2) Immigration is the bane of his existence - all the while both he, and his wife are immigrants.

    3) Traditional Anglo - Saxon morals are being destroyed - all the while he is one of the destroyers.

    A man's choice of wife is none of my concern; his two-faced nature is.
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  181. Talha says:
    @attilathehen
    Hey Talha, you're back!!! Did the white muslim traditionalist mask not work out? I put your IQ at 91. You're a Pakistani (Asian) Muslim - not kosher. So you're comments will again be defending the heretical, degenerate Islam.

    Hey Sis,

    It’s been a while.

    Did the white muslim traditionalist mask not work out?

    That ain’t me – but that brother’s alright in my book (I advised him to work on his etiquette a bit).

    I put your IQ at 91.

    Pffffssshhhwahahaha! I was (undeservedly) blessed to be in the GATE program in California when I was a kid. But all of that makes little difference – as my mother (may God grant he a long life) once advised me – the intelligent one is he who finds his abode in paradise.

    The brains of both the intelligent and the stupid are ultimately worm food.

    not kosher

    Halal.

    heretical, degenerate Islam

    Heretics…aren’t we all?

    Peace.

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    OK bro. I'll give you a 3 digit IQ.

    "Heretics...aren't we all." Hmmmmmm.......
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  182. Rurik says:
    @Talha
    Hey Rurik,

    There are no doubt racists in the Muslim world - I would never argue that Muslims are clean from this kind of stuff and other things not sanctioned by the sacred law. I'm talking about doctrine that people believe in. I can't think of a Muslim that would try to justify racism based on the sacred law any more than they could try to justify their drinking problem.


    neither would I condemn the Polish or Irish if they didn’t really want a black Pope
     
    I would 100% condemn the view of any Muslim that would refuse a qualified Muslim scholar a position (that he is intellectually and morally capable of holding) or refuse to listen to his ruling on a matter simply based on his ethnic background and not due to contrary sound evidence.

    Peace.

    Hey Talha,

    refuse to listen to his ruling on a matter simply based on his ethnic background

    it isn’t that. Rather the Pope is a symbolic position, as the head of the church. Personally I wouldn’t care the Pope were a little green Martian, so long as it/he/she repudiated priest rape and defended the gates of Europa/Christendom, but that’s just me.

    But please note that I referred to it as ‘Christendom’, which is another word for Europa, or the West. And I really don’t see why the West isn’t capable anymore of finding worthy men of integrity and honor in its ranks to take on the important positions of leadership to head its institutions.

    Would the people of Pakistan accept a white or black man leading that nation as its Prime Minister- if that person was “intellectually and morally capable of holding” the position? Surely there are whites and blacks in Pakistan, and a few must have grown up there and be patriotic Pakistanis, no? Would the people of Pakistan accept one as Prime Minister?

    Would the Muslims of Saudi Arabia accept as their Grand Mufti a black man or a white man?

    why is it that Muslim countries and leaders are so friendly to racist dictators so long as the racist dictators are rabidly anti-white?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan%E2%80%93Zimbabwe_relations

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/apr/22/ahmadinejad-visit-mugabe-zimbabwe

    You Talha, (unique [and Westernized ; ] as I suspect that you are ; ) may not care a whit if the Prime Minister of Pakistan were a green Martian, but what about the majority of the people there? Would they accept someone who looks like Mike Pence or Al Sharpton as their Prime Minister or Grand Mufti?

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    Hey Rurik,

    Christendom is up to Christians to figure out. If they want to fragment along ethnic lines, that's fine, it's not my religion - I was simply posing a question. If the pope is a "symbolic" position, doesn't he represent all of mankind under the Church of Peter? Again - others can answer this.

    As far as my Muslim brothers - what they practice and what the religion states are often different things, the Prophet (pbuh) already advised us:
    “Even if the one appointed over you is a mutilated Ethiopian slave whose nose and ears have been cut off, listen to him and obey, so long as he leads you according to the Book of Allah.” - reported in Ibn Majah

    So yeah - if a Black or White man lived in Pakistan and knew the language, culture and was the best person to lead - so be it.


    Would the Muslims of Saudi Arabia accept as their Grand Mufti a black man or a white man?
     
    Been there - the first mufti/imam appointed in Makkah was the erudite and pious scholar Ata ibn Abi Rabah (ra) a freed slave of Nubian origin. The people of the Hijaz who accepted his authority due to his qualifications were better, by far, than the ones that inhabit it today.

    As far as white man - the companion, Suhayb Ar-Rumi (ra) - named so because of his white complexion and blond hair - was put in charge of the capital city of Madina in the interim when the successor to Umar ibn al-Khattab (ra) was being selected.


    why is it that Muslim countries and leaders are so friendly to racist dictators
     
    I don't know bro, I don't run them - I assume it's for the same reason the Chinese and others do business with them.

    Peace.

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  183. Talha says:
    @Rurik
    Hey Talha,

    refuse to listen to his ruling on a matter simply based on his ethnic background
     
    it isn't that. Rather the Pope is a symbolic position, as the head of the church. Personally I wouldn't care the Pope were a little green Martian, so long as it/he/she repudiated priest rape and defended the gates of Europa/Christendom, but that's just me.

    But please note that I referred to it as 'Christendom', which is another word for Europa, or the West. And I really don't see why the West isn't capable anymore of finding worthy men of integrity and honor in its ranks to take on the important positions of leadership to head its institutions.

    Would the people of Pakistan accept a white or black man leading that nation as its Prime Minister- if that person was "intellectually and morally capable of holding" the position? Surely there are whites and blacks in Pakistan, and a few must have grown up there and be patriotic Pakistanis, no? Would the people of Pakistan accept one as Prime Minister?

    Would the Muslims of Saudi Arabia accept as their Grand Mufti a black man or a white man?

    why is it that Muslim countries and leaders are so friendly to racist dictators so long as the racist dictators are rabidly anti-white?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan%E2%80%93Zimbabwe_relations

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/apr/22/ahmadinejad-visit-mugabe-zimbabwe

    You Talha, (unique [and Westernized ; ] as I suspect that you are ; ) may not care a whit if the Prime Minister of Pakistan were a green Martian, but what about the majority of the people there? Would they accept someone who looks like Mike Pence or Al Sharpton as their Prime Minister or Grand Mufti?

    Peace

    Hey Rurik,

    Christendom is up to Christians to figure out. If they want to fragment along ethnic lines, that’s fine, it’s not my religion – I was simply posing a question. If the pope is a “symbolic” position, doesn’t he represent all of mankind under the Church of Peter? Again – others can answer this.

    As far as my Muslim brothers – what they practice and what the religion states are often different things, the Prophet (pbuh) already advised us:
    “Even if the one appointed over you is a mutilated Ethiopian slave whose nose and ears have been cut off, listen to him and obey, so long as he leads you according to the Book of Allah.” – reported in Ibn Majah

    So yeah – if a Black or White man lived in Pakistan and knew the language, culture and was the best person to lead – so be it.

    Would the Muslims of Saudi Arabia accept as their Grand Mufti a black man or a white man?

    Been there – the first mufti/imam appointed in Makkah was the erudite and pious scholar Ata ibn Abi Rabah (ra) a freed slave of Nubian origin. The people of the Hijaz who accepted his authority due to his qualifications were better, by far, than the ones that inhabit it today.

    As far as white man – the companion, Suhayb Ar-Rumi (ra) – named so because of his white complexion and blond hair – was put in charge of the capital city of Madina in the interim when the successor to Umar ibn al-Khattab (ra) was being selected.

    why is it that Muslim countries and leaders are so friendly to racist dictators

    I don’t know bro, I don’t run them – I assume it’s for the same reason the Chinese and others do business with them.

    Peace.

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    Hey Talha, I just typed a response to this and it >>poofed<< away somehow.

    Christendom is up to Christians to figure out. If they want to fragment along ethnic lines, that’s fine, it’s not my religion
     
    it's not about fragmenting, it's about preserving the character and identity of their respective flocks. The Irish have a God-given right to remain and persevere as Irish. Same with the Italians and Columbians and Bolivians, etc.. To deny them that is to insist on their respective ethnic and cultural genocide.

    If the pope is a “symbolic” position, doesn’t he represent all of mankind under the Church of Peter? Again –
     
    nope, just the Catholics, at least spiritually. But he's bigger than that because of the Catholic church's historical resonance with Western civilization. For the Pope to deny the right of Europeans to exist as Europeans, is the same as a Hindu leader demanding that India open its gates to black Muslims and white Christians and everyone else who wants to come in massive and transformational numbers. It will cause hatred and strife, either in India or Germany.

    a mutilated Ethiopian slave
     
    yes, and I and many millions of white Americans supported Obama over McCain, because these issues of race are never written in stone, and are blurred at the edges. But I still don't see the Arabs or Persians or Pakistanis embracing a man who looks like Mike Pence as their leader, but then I could be wrong.

    why is it that Muslim countries and leaders are so friendly to racist dictators
     

    I don’t know bro, I don’t run them – I assume it’s for the same reason the Chinese and others do business with them.
     
    I suspect Talha, that there lingers in the soul of many non-white, non-Western nations and people a sense of grievance for centuries of colonialism, oppression, slavery and assorted humiliations, both real and imagined- that were imposed upon those people's ancestors by white men. Watching the whites of Zimbabwe 'get theirs', so to speak, mollifies that lingering resentment. They feel that seeing whitey get persecuted in places like Zimbabwe or S. Africa or Serbia, is a form of belated justice, even if the people being persecuted harmed no one. Nevertheless, it's a grim kind of comeuppance that many non-whites feel is way overdue, and they'd like to see a whole lot more of it, thankyouverymuch.

    At least that's my impression, but here again, I could be wrong, I suppose.

    Peace teacher. As always, it's a pleasure

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  184. @Sean
    Well that cuts both ways because if the anti EU worker immigration feeling behind the vote is not articulated ( and it isn't being) the Brexiteer free market ideologues can claim to be enforcing the people's Brexit will while leaving millions of Poles ect here after Britain leaves the EU, and keeping a massive inflow of EU immigrant workers forever after. I don't see anything good in not mentioning that the Brexit referendum result turned on British workers' opposition to EU immigrants, who capitalist are using to keep wages down. Britain is, unlike France, in the fortunate position of being economically sturdy enough to leave the EU, and the sooner the chattering classes understand that Brexit came largely because EU immigration to Britain lacks the democratic consent of the British people, the better.

    Notice that I haven’t disagreed with your assertions about what “British workers” feel about immigration, merely with your assumption that you know what they feel on the basis of a referendum which did not ask them about that subject.
    Yes, it “cuts both ways” because if you can “interpret” a vote according to your preference so can the “chattering classes”, with whom you appear to have something in common.

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  185. Corvinus says:
    @Sean
    In the context you keep dragging every thread on Unz back to, sub racialism is identical to Nordicism and also the view only those British US ancestry are true Americans. There I did what you asked and explained that view, which is not mine or anyone else but your playmate on UNZ who you said uses false identities.

    Spencer has about 1000 times the influence profile and readership of the, obscure and completely unknown to me untill you mentioned him, Vox Day. Spencer is 100% Alt Right and he is by no means an advocate of sub racialism /Nordicism / the view only those British US ancestry are true Americans, which are more of less the same thing, but not a Alt Right position, and never discussed by anyone on Unz except you and some lone nutzi with multiple identities, who gets into these threads with you.


    Hello, anybody home?
     
    There is nobody here who thinks the things you keep arguing against, so why don't you go to the obscure sites where people do think what you are arguing against, whereby you will be on topic for a change?

    “In the context you keep dragging every thread on Unz back to, sub racialism is identical to Nordicism…”

    How? Nordicism refers to the theory that the Nordic race is superior to other major races.
    So what does subracism specifically refer to? If it refers to subraces of the major races, what are those subraces? You keep hammering home this point without substance.

    “and also the view only those British US ancestry are true Americans.”

    Which is a separate issue as I explained.

    “There I did what you asked and explained that view, which is not mine or anyone else but your playmate on UNZ who you said uses false identities.”

    I do not have any “playmates” or other “identities” here. Just me. No sockpuppeting on my part.

    “Spencer has about 1000 times the influence profile and readership of the, obscure and completely unknown to me untill you mentioned him, Vox Day.”

    Day is extremely well known within the Alt Right community. He runs a publishing house.
    He has written several books. He had a nationally syndicated column. Seriously, do your homework.

    “Spencer is 100% Alt Right and he is by no means an advocate of sub racialism /Nordicism”

    He has advocated for an Aryan homeland and called for “peaceful ethnic cleansing” to halt the “deconstruction” of European culture. He assuredly falls within the same vein. Stop covering for him.

    “the view only those British US ancestry are true Americans, which are more of less the same thing”

    Spencer’s view and Day’s views are NOT the same thing.

    “and never discussed by anyone on Unz except you and some lone nutzi with multiple identities, who gets into these threads with you.”

    Yes, there are adherents to Nordicism.

    ‘There is nobody here who thinks the things you keep arguing against…”

    Yes, there are people here who hold those positions I clarified.

    Are you done here?

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    I do not have any “playmates” or other “identities” here. Just me. No sockpuppeting on my part. Yes, there are people here who hold those positions I clarified.
     
    I know the sockpuppeting person you argue with is real but I don't accept that this site is an appropriate forum for the argument you keep having with him under what you yourself said were multiple identities he adopts to make his views seem more common than they are .

    So what does subracism specifically refer to? If it refers to subraces of the major races, what are those subraces? You keep hammering home this point without substance.[...]
     
    I decline to give in to your repeated demands I give precise definition of certain concepts because I do not argue for those concepts, so defining them is putting me in a false position. It's a ploy on your part. For example, you just accused me of covering for Spencer because I said he was a simple racist, not of a subset that you claim is mainstream in the Alt Right. You understand what he is very well. Spencer is huge internationally in coverage and actually the only person of the Alt Right who is known outside it, and he is a simple Americans are white far rightist, not this sub Euro variety you allege is mainstream Alt Right. You spend all your time arguing against this only those of British ancestry are Americans stuff so, one presumes you must know more or less what it means.

    You are constantly off topic here because not a single author at Unz advocates what you are arguing against. If fact, Ron Unz has noted Cesar Chavez was an anti immigration activist. Chavez wasn't thinking with his blood, he was defending the interests of the workers he represented who were immigrants, because the biggest economic losers from more immigration would be the recent immigrants. The unions are "done", they have become a tool of the capitalists.

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  186. Truth says:
    @attilathehen
    Truth, you called upon Derbyshire for help because things were getting a little hot in the comments section.

    Do you approve of Derb's china woman?

    I'll analyze your IQ after you answer.

    I called upon Derbyshire?

    My “approval” or “disapproval” of Derbyshire’s wife is inconsequential. He made a decision to marry someone, seems to have made a good family and is, by all accounts a good husband; good for him.

    I have ridiculed the Derb on many occasions for his duplicity, not for his marriage. He continually harps on a few points:

    1) interracial relationships are tearing at the fiber of white cohesiveness and are pushed by the liberals – all the while he has been in one for 25+ years.

    2) Immigration is the bane of his existence – all the while both he, and his wife are immigrants.

    3) Traditional Anglo – Saxon morals are being destroyed – all the while he is one of the destroyers.

    A man’s choice of wife is none of my concern; his two-faced nature is.

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    Yes, his tw0-faced nature is exposed by his choice of his wife.
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  187. Corvinus says:
    @attilathehen
    I said "commentators" general when talking about 90+ IQ. I'm well above that.

    The most objective reality is IQ. I see you can't answer my questions about the Filipinos v the Japanese. Or Haitians and El Salvadorans. And since you refuse to move to inferior countries, you are a subversive, willing to destroy the West.

    You do serve a good purpose though. Getting people to see the inconsistencies and illogic of the RCC. And the evil the RCC is bringing to Europe and European/Caucasian peoples all over the world.

    You made two claims–“Christianity works best with Caucasians/Europeans.” and “If blacks/Asians want to be Christian, they must have their own churches” without backing them up.

    What specific church doctrines or biblical references or papal bulls lend evidence here?

    Moreover, how does IQ fall in line with Christian teachings regarding how congregations are formed? the saving of souls? the message of peace and love for all of His adherents?

    The more that you avoid addressing these pressing matters of faith, the more that you serve to anger God and incur his wrath.

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  188. @Talha
    Hey Sis,

    It's been a while.


    Did the white muslim traditionalist mask not work out?
     
    That ain't me - but that brother's alright in my book (I advised him to work on his etiquette a bit).

    I put your IQ at 91.
     
    Pffffssshhhwahahaha! I was (undeservedly) blessed to be in the GATE program in California when I was a kid. But all of that makes little difference - as my mother (may God grant he a long life) once advised me - the intelligent one is he who finds his abode in paradise.

    The brains of both the intelligent and the stupid are ultimately worm food.


    not kosher
     
    Halal.

    heretical, degenerate Islam
     
    Heretics...aren't we all?

    Peace.

    OK bro. I’ll give you a 3 digit IQ.

    “Heretics…aren’t we all.” Hmmmmmm…….

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    Cha - ching!!! Sweet!

    Truth - I just hit the jackpot!
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  189. @Truth
    I called upon Derbyshire?

    My "approval" or "disapproval" of Derbyshire's wife is inconsequential. He made a decision to marry someone, seems to have made a good family and is, by all accounts a good husband; good for him.

    I have ridiculed the Derb on many occasions for his duplicity, not for his marriage. He continually harps on a few points:

    1) interracial relationships are tearing at the fiber of white cohesiveness and are pushed by the liberals - all the while he has been in one for 25+ years.

    2) Immigration is the bane of his existence - all the while both he, and his wife are immigrants.

    3) Traditional Anglo - Saxon morals are being destroyed - all the while he is one of the destroyers.

    A man's choice of wife is none of my concern; his two-faced nature is.

    Yes, his tw0-faced nature is exposed by his choice of his wife.

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  190. Avery says:

    There is something strange in the lower picture: the woman’s shoulders are quite a bit wider than her hips. A female should have wider hips than her. Also, she seems to have no chest.

    Don’t know: something’s rotten in Denmark/Paris.

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    Force down that blue pill while you still have the chance, Grasshopper. Believe me, the red one has one nasty aftertaste.
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  191. Talha says:
    @attilathehen
    OK bro. I'll give you a 3 digit IQ.

    "Heretics...aren't we all." Hmmmmmm.......

    Cha – ching!!! Sweet!

    Truth – I just hit the jackpot!

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  192. Truth says:
    @Avery
    There is something strange in the lower picture: the woman's shoulders are quite a bit wider than her hips. A female should have wider hips than her. Also, she seems to have no chest.

    Don't know: something's rotten in Denmark/Paris.

    Force down that blue pill while you still have the chance, Grasshopper. Believe me, the red one has one nasty aftertaste.

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    The pills I regularly take are tri-color, homes: Red+Blue+Orange.
    (see if you can figure it out - Grasshopper.)
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  193. Nico says:
    @attilathehen
    "Depends..." No, the RCC is a hierarchical institution which believers are bound to implicitly obey.

    A priest is "personae Christi" so you must accept any priest, bishop or pope chosen for you.

    You are useful like Corvinus in that you show the degeneracy of the RCC. And why it can no longer work.

    Juckin and jivin black priests and inscrutable Asian priests are the end of the priesthood.

    A priest is “personae Christi” so you must accept any priest, bishop or pope chosen for you.

    I am bound by magisterium to accept that he is in fact a priest, bishop or a pope. If he tells me to dissolve my country under a wave of Third World immigration I will not obey that command and I will encourage everyone I know to likewise disobey.

    Juckin and jivin black priests and inscrutable Asian priests are the end of the priesthood.

    Actually, I don’t disagree with this.

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    "Juckin and jivin black priests and inscrutable Asian priests are the end of the priesthood.
    Actually, I don’t disagree with this."

    Please show me where in the Bible that religious leaders must be white. Moreover, please show me the risks involved with black and Asian priests as specified by the Vatican, or religious leaders, or by religious organizations. I am certain that you have the arguments they have laid out in opposition to these two races being put in a position of religious leadership.
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  194. Avery says:
    @Truth
    Force down that blue pill while you still have the chance, Grasshopper. Believe me, the red one has one nasty aftertaste.

    The pills I regularly take are tri-color, homes: Red+Blue+Orange.
    (see if you can figure it out – Grasshopper.)

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    Orange = 33, child's play.
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  195. Rurik says:
    @Talha
    Hey Rurik,

    Christendom is up to Christians to figure out. If they want to fragment along ethnic lines, that's fine, it's not my religion - I was simply posing a question. If the pope is a "symbolic" position, doesn't he represent all of mankind under the Church of Peter? Again - others can answer this.

    As far as my Muslim brothers - what they practice and what the religion states are often different things, the Prophet (pbuh) already advised us:
    “Even if the one appointed over you is a mutilated Ethiopian slave whose nose and ears have been cut off, listen to him and obey, so long as he leads you according to the Book of Allah.” - reported in Ibn Majah

    So yeah - if a Black or White man lived in Pakistan and knew the language, culture and was the best person to lead - so be it.


    Would the Muslims of Saudi Arabia accept as their Grand Mufti a black man or a white man?
     
    Been there - the first mufti/imam appointed in Makkah was the erudite and pious scholar Ata ibn Abi Rabah (ra) a freed slave of Nubian origin. The people of the Hijaz who accepted his authority due to his qualifications were better, by far, than the ones that inhabit it today.

    As far as white man - the companion, Suhayb Ar-Rumi (ra) - named so because of his white complexion and blond hair - was put in charge of the capital city of Madina in the interim when the successor to Umar ibn al-Khattab (ra) was being selected.


    why is it that Muslim countries and leaders are so friendly to racist dictators
     
    I don't know bro, I don't run them - I assume it's for the same reason the Chinese and others do business with them.

    Peace.

    Hey Talha, I just typed a response to this and it >>poofed<< away somehow.

    Christendom is up to Christians to figure out. If they want to fragment along ethnic lines, that’s fine, it’s not my religion

    it’s not about fragmenting, it’s about preserving the character and identity of their respective flocks. The Irish have a God-given right to remain and persevere as Irish. Same with the Italians and Columbians and Bolivians, etc.. To deny them that is to insist on their respective ethnic and cultural genocide.

    If the pope is a “symbolic” position, doesn’t he represent all of mankind under the Church of Peter? Again –

    nope, just the Catholics, at least spiritually. But he’s bigger than that because of the Catholic church’s historical resonance with Western civilization. For the Pope to deny the right of Europeans to exist as Europeans, is the same as a Hindu leader demanding that India open its gates to black Muslims and white Christians and everyone else who wants to come in massive and transformational numbers. It will cause hatred and strife, either in India or Germany.

    a mutilated Ethiopian slave

    yes, and I and many millions of white Americans supported Obama over McCain, because these issues of race are never written in stone, and are blurred at the edges. But I still don’t see the Arabs or Persians or Pakistanis embracing a man who looks like Mike Pence as their leader, but then I could be wrong.

    why is it that Muslim countries and leaders are so friendly to racist dictators

    I don’t know bro, I don’t run them – I assume it’s for the same reason the Chinese and others do business with them.

    I suspect Talha, that there lingers in the soul of many non-white, non-Western nations and people a sense of grievance for centuries of colonialism, oppression, slavery and assorted humiliations, both real and imagined- that were imposed upon those people’s ancestors by white men. Watching the whites of Zimbabwe ‘get theirs’, so to speak, mollifies that lingering resentment. They feel that seeing whitey get persecuted in places like Zimbabwe or S. Africa or Serbia, is a form of belated justice, even if the people being persecuted harmed no one. Nevertheless, it’s a grim kind of comeuppance that many non-whites feel is way overdue, and they’d like to see a whole lot more of it, thankyouverymuch.

    At least that’s my impression, but here again, I could be wrong, I suppose.

    Peace teacher. As always, it’s a pleasure

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    Hey Rurik,

    To deny them that is to insist on their respective ethnic and cultural genocide.
     
    Sure, but that wasn't what I was talking about. I was talking about the 'person' of the pope, not his policies. What if there was a Nigerian pope that espoused policies that respected those rights?

    Again, not my religion. Imam Juwayni (ra) was called Imam al-Haramayn (of the two holy cities). He was a Persian, but the most knowledgeable of the time - he taught in the primary post in the two holy cities and the people loved him. This did not mean the Hijazi Arabs became Persian; he was simply the best qualified for the position.


    It will cause hatred and strife
     
    Yes, but again this has to do with policies.

    But I still don’t see the Arabs or Persians or Pakistanis embracing a man who looks like Mike Pence as their leader, but then I could be wrong.
     
    The King of Jordan is half-Anglo - he may not look it. Egypt was ruled (fairly capably) by the Albanian Muhammad Ali. So I think these societies are open to it. The question is; is there a man that looks like Pence being denied the right to lead simply because of his looks in those countries - or are we simply talking hypothetical situations that don't exist? For instance, the Prophet (pbuh) told us not to disqualify a man from leadership position even if he is a mutilated slave but is leading capably - has the situation ever occurred? I doubt it - though the Mamluks were slave-kings.

    there lingers in the soul of many non-white, non-Western nations and people a sense of grievance for centuries of colonialism
     
    This is likely true. A bit like the Eastern Europeans talk about Turks due to Ottoman hegemony. I guess the question is, when will we bury the hatchet. I mean, those generations are gone; they will be judged by what they did and we are judged on our actions.

    As always, it’s a pleasure
     
    Likewise - peace.
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  196. annamaria says:
    @attilathehen
    I don't have prejudice clouding my reason.

    Why do Asian countries "Westernize" instead of "Easternize" when it comes to technology? If they had not accepted Western science, they would still be in their rice paddies working in muck up to their knees.

    The Asians invented no technology of any worth.

    As to these IQ tests, this idea of Asian superiority started in the late 1960s. The modern world was built by Christian Europeans. Asians can only copy. The Japanese were the best copiers.

    Hong Kong and Singapore have tiny populations. These were the people smart enough to escape China when the communists took over because they knew what would happen.

    Japan is the only Asian country to build a modern, industrial, Western style country after it was forced to do so by Capt. Matthew Perry. He overthrew the shogunate because in the West at that time it was known that the only Asians of any intelligence were the Japanese. Had this not happened, Japan would still be one big rice paddy.

    China has slightly modernized but only through totalitarian means.

    I have sister who travels to the Far East on business. She hates the Chinese, calls them a filthy people in a dirty country. Do you know about Chinese pollution? And she is someone who meets the upper crust. She has been to Hong Kong and Singapore and says that there is a semblance of civilization in the big cities, but only in small areas. She also says the physical unattractiveness of the Asians becomes difficult to deal with.

    Have you been to the Far East?

    Charles Murray who cowrote the Bell Curve had a Thai first wife and Thai offspring. What has Thailand contributed to the world? Cambodia, Laos, Vietnam, the Philippines - horrible countries.

    Asians themselves say that they don't have the "zigzag in the brain" whites have for creating.

    The modern world is a testament and tribute to European/Caucasian superiority.

    You were caught on peddling a false information (“Blacks/Asians have the lowest IQs”). Instead of excepting the correction you have produced an unattractive musing that implies your personal intellectual superiority over Asians.
    If you or your sister (who hates Chinese but loves making money on them) had ever attended one of the leading American universities – preferably science and math departments – then you two would have a chance to check your IQ next to Asian students’ IQ. Since this opportunity was not available for you both (and since you did not bother to learn the basic facts about Chinese civilization, such as, “written records of the history of China can be found from as early as 1500 BC;” “mathematics in China emerged independently by the 11th century BC,” and so forth) this explains the condescending tenor of your post.
    Moreover, making insults towards Charles Murray’ family makes you look petty and bad mannered. Not exactly the best representative sample of the western civilization.

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    You have not answered my questions. Why does the East Westernize? Why isn't the West using "advanced Chinese technology?"

    If Eastern "math" is superior, they need to go back to the abacus for computing.

    We need to expel Asians from the West. Why would they want to come to our backward universities?

    Are there Asians in your family? Also, you are free to move to the "advanced Eastern world." If the West is inferior, why do you want to be a part of it?

    I told the truth about Charles Murray's first family. When he was attacked at that Vermont university I did not care because I knew the truth about him. Telling the truth about his Asian first wife and offspring is petty?

    Methinks thou cannot handlest the truth.
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  197. Corvinus says:
    @Nico

    A priest is “personae Christi” so you must accept any priest, bishop or pope chosen for you.
     
    I am bound by magisterium to accept that he is in fact a priest, bishop or a pope. If he tells me to dissolve my country under a wave of Third World immigration I will not obey that command and I will encourage everyone I know to likewise disobey.

    Juckin and jivin black priests and inscrutable Asian priests are the end of the priesthood.
     
    Actually, I don't disagree with this.

    “Juckin and jivin black priests and inscrutable Asian priests are the end of the priesthood.
    Actually, I don’t disagree with this.”

    Please show me where in the Bible that religious leaders must be white. Moreover, please show me the risks involved with black and Asian priests as specified by the Vatican, or religious leaders, or by religious organizations. I am certain that you have the arguments they have laid out in opposition to these two races being put in a position of religious leadership.

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    Please show me where in the Bible...
     
    The Roman Catholic Church is not sola scriptura, you insufferable dumbass. On the other hand, the principle of of subsidiarity, which has been Catholic practice from the very beginning, dictates that priests and bishops should be elevated from the local population whenever this is feasible.
    , @Nico
    For starters, the first chapter, fifth verse of the Song of Solomon makes quite clear the preference for lighter skin hues (admittedly in a conjugal rather than a sacerdotal context) among God's Chosen.

    Of course, that doesn't drive home the point of any sort of divine racial hierarchy with respect to the priesthood so much as it drives home the point of the idiocy of demands to "Show me in the Bible..." generally.

    (And of everything Corvinus posts.)
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  198. @annamaria
    You were caught on peddling a false information ("Blacks/Asians have the lowest IQs"). Instead of excepting the correction you have produced an unattractive musing that implies your personal intellectual superiority over Asians.
    If you or your sister (who hates Chinese but loves making money on them) had ever attended one of the leading American universities - preferably science and math departments - then you two would have a chance to check your IQ next to Asian students' IQ. Since this opportunity was not available for you both (and since you did not bother to learn the basic facts about Chinese civilization, such as, "written records of the history of China can be found from as early as 1500 BC;" "mathematics in China emerged independently by the 11th century BC," and so forth) this explains the condescending tenor of your post.
    Moreover, making insults towards Charles Murray' family makes you look petty and bad mannered. Not exactly the best representative sample of the western civilization.

    You have not answered my questions. Why does the East Westernize? Why isn’t the West using “advanced Chinese technology?”

    If Eastern “math” is superior, they need to go back to the abacus for computing.

    We need to expel Asians from the West. Why would they want to come to our backward universities?

    Are there Asians in your family? Also, you are free to move to the “advanced Eastern world.” If the West is inferior, why do you want to be a part of it?

    I told the truth about Charles Murray’s first family. When he was attacked at that Vermont university I did not care because I knew the truth about him. Telling the truth about his Asian first wife and offspring is petty?

    Methinks thou cannot handlest the truth.

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    For a person pretending to be a flower of western civilization you are surprisingly indifferent to scientific studies: "East Asian countries such as China, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Singapore, have average IQs in the range of 105 to 108. This clearly exceeds the averages Prof. Lynn has found for the 29 European countries, which range from 92 to 102." Whereas blacks on the Wechsler metric scale average 87. - Do you see the difference? You need simple skills in arithmetics to realize that your statement, “Blacks/Asians have the lowest IQs,” was false.

    Your question about genetic composition of my family sounds rather impolite and suggest certain vulnerability. Why don't you do some genetic testing on yourself ... be prepared for surprises.
    You also write, "We need to expel Asians from the West. Why would they want to come to our backward universities?" - Ms. Attila-the-hen, what university have you attended to make that interesting claim? (Have you attended any western university?)
    And finally, you need to familiarize yourself with the rules for quotation marks, otherwise you are in danger of assigning your own words to other person, which makes you look dishonest.

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  199. annamaria says:
    @attilathehen
    You have not answered my questions. Why does the East Westernize? Why isn't the West using "advanced Chinese technology?"

    If Eastern "math" is superior, they need to go back to the abacus for computing.

    We need to expel Asians from the West. Why would they want to come to our backward universities?

    Are there Asians in your family? Also, you are free to move to the "advanced Eastern world." If the West is inferior, why do you want to be a part of it?

    I told the truth about Charles Murray's first family. When he was attacked at that Vermont university I did not care because I knew the truth about him. Telling the truth about his Asian first wife and offspring is petty?

    Methinks thou cannot handlest the truth.

    For a person pretending to be a flower of western civilization you are surprisingly indifferent to scientific studies: “East Asian countries such as China, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Singapore, have average IQs in the range of 105 to 108. This clearly exceeds the averages Prof. Lynn has found for the 29 European countries, which range from 92 to 102.” Whereas blacks on the Wechsler metric scale average 87. – Do you see the difference? You need simple skills in arithmetics to realize that your statement, “Blacks/Asians have the lowest IQs,” was false.

    Your question about genetic composition of my family sounds rather impolite and suggest certain vulnerability. Why don’t you do some genetic testing on yourself … be prepared for surprises.
    You also write, “We need to expel Asians from the West. Why would they want to come to our backward universities?” – Ms. Attila-the-hen, what university have you attended to make that interesting claim? (Have you attended any western university?)
    And finally, you need to familiarize yourself with the rules for quotation marks, otherwise you are in danger of assigning your own words to other person, which makes you look dishonest.

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    annamaria, you, Corvinus, Tahla keep helping my side.
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  200. We’re hangin’ with quarrelers down in this thread.
    Most readers have left; there’s not much to be said.
    We’re way off our topic of puppet Macron
    And his gray-headed Barbiedoll; what’s goin’ on?
    All snark and all bark like dogs chasin’ tails;
    How witty our insults when intellect fails!

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  201. @Corvinus
    "Juckin and jivin black priests and inscrutable Asian priests are the end of the priesthood.
    Actually, I don’t disagree with this."

    Please show me where in the Bible that religious leaders must be white. Moreover, please show me the risks involved with black and Asian priests as specified by the Vatican, or religious leaders, or by religious organizations. I am certain that you have the arguments they have laid out in opposition to these two races being put in a position of religious leadership.

    Please show me where in the Bible…

    The Roman Catholic Church is not sola scriptura, you insufferable dumbass. On the other hand, the principle of of subsidiarity, which has been Catholic practice from the very beginning, dictates that priests and bishops should be elevated from the local population whenever this is feasible.

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    "The Roman Catholic Church is not sola scriptura, you insufferable dumbass."

    There are passages in the Bible about priests. Please cite where it shows how they must be white.

    "On the other hand, the principle of of subsidiarity, which has been Catholic practice from the very beginning, dictates that priests and bishops should be elevated from the local population whenever this is feasible."

    Feasible, being the operative word.

    Regardless, please show me the risks involved with black and Asian priests as specified by the Vatican, or religious leaders, or by religious organizations. I am certain that you have the arguments they have laid out in opposition to these two races being put in a position of religious leadership.
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  202. Talha says:
    @Rurik
    Hey Talha, I just typed a response to this and it >>poofed<< away somehow.

    Christendom is up to Christians to figure out. If they want to fragment along ethnic lines, that’s fine, it’s not my religion
     
    it's not about fragmenting, it's about preserving the character and identity of their respective flocks. The Irish have a God-given right to remain and persevere as Irish. Same with the Italians and Columbians and Bolivians, etc.. To deny them that is to insist on their respective ethnic and cultural genocide.

    If the pope is a “symbolic” position, doesn’t he represent all of mankind under the Church of Peter? Again –
     
    nope, just the Catholics, at least spiritually. But he's bigger than that because of the Catholic church's historical resonance with Western civilization. For the Pope to deny the right of Europeans to exist as Europeans, is the same as a Hindu leader demanding that India open its gates to black Muslims and white Christians and everyone else who wants to come in massive and transformational numbers. It will cause hatred and strife, either in India or Germany.

    a mutilated Ethiopian slave
     
    yes, and I and many millions of white Americans supported Obama over McCain, because these issues of race are never written in stone, and are blurred at the edges. But I still don't see the Arabs or Persians or Pakistanis embracing a man who looks like Mike Pence as their leader, but then I could be wrong.

    why is it that Muslim countries and leaders are so friendly to racist dictators
     

    I don’t know bro, I don’t run them – I assume it’s for the same reason the Chinese and others do business with them.
     
    I suspect Talha, that there lingers in the soul of many non-white, non-Western nations and people a sense of grievance for centuries of colonialism, oppression, slavery and assorted humiliations, both real and imagined- that were imposed upon those people's ancestors by white men. Watching the whites of Zimbabwe 'get theirs', so to speak, mollifies that lingering resentment. They feel that seeing whitey get persecuted in places like Zimbabwe or S. Africa or Serbia, is a form of belated justice, even if the people being persecuted harmed no one. Nevertheless, it's a grim kind of comeuppance that many non-whites feel is way overdue, and they'd like to see a whole lot more of it, thankyouverymuch.

    At least that's my impression, but here again, I could be wrong, I suppose.

    Peace teacher. As always, it's a pleasure

    Hey Rurik,

    To deny them that is to insist on their respective ethnic and cultural genocide.

    Sure, but that wasn’t what I was talking about. I was talking about the ‘person’ of the pope, not his policies. What if there was a Nigerian pope that espoused policies that respected those rights?

    Again, not my religion. Imam Juwayni (ra) was called Imam al-Haramayn (of the two holy cities). He was a Persian, but the most knowledgeable of the time – he taught in the primary post in the two holy cities and the people loved him. This did not mean the Hijazi Arabs became Persian; he was simply the best qualified for the position.

    It will cause hatred and strife

    Yes, but again this has to do with policies.

    But I still don’t see the Arabs or Persians or Pakistanis embracing a man who looks like Mike Pence as their leader, but then I could be wrong.

    The King of Jordan is half-Anglo – he may not look it. Egypt was ruled (fairly capably) by the Albanian Muhammad Ali. So I think these societies are open to it. The question is; is there a man that looks like Pence being denied the right to lead simply because of his looks in those countries – or are we simply talking hypothetical situations that don’t exist? For instance, the Prophet (pbuh) told us not to disqualify a man from leadership position even if he is a mutilated slave but is leading capably – has the situation ever occurred? I doubt it – though the Mamluks were slave-kings.

    there lingers in the soul of many non-white, non-Western nations and people a sense of grievance for centuries of colonialism

    This is likely true. A bit like the Eastern Europeans talk about Turks due to Ottoman hegemony. I guess the question is, when will we bury the hatchet. I mean, those generations are gone; they will be judged by what they did and we are judged on our actions.

    As always, it’s a pleasure

    Likewise – peace.

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    A quibble:


    Egypt was ruled (fairly capably) by the Albanian Muhammad Ali.
     
    Muhammed Ali was essentially a military governor, and when he ruled he ruled despotically, as was the custom there; it wasn't a question of Egypt being open to him, any more than there was a question of Italy being open to Theodoric the Goth, or for that matter Rome being "open" to Philip the Arab.

    Whatever "national consciousness", as we would now call it, Egypt may have had, it had been under more-or-less foreign rule of one kind or another for well over a thousand years (depending on how you count the later Ptolemies, well over two thousand years).
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