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Off Lampedusa, February 2014

Nine years ago, when illegal aliens were coming out of the shadows to stage huge marches demanding “rights,” I wrote a column for National Review (!!!) with the title The Future Comes Apace. I took those words from Shakespeare’s play Timon of Athens. The title character of the play is a wealthy man who is too open-handed with his wealth. At last his generosity bankrupts him.

Timon’s steward brings him the bad news but at first it doesn’t sink in. Surely, says Timon, I have some land I can sell? No, replies the steward:

’Tis all engaged, some forfeited and gone;

And what remains will hardly stop the mouth

Of present dues. The future comes apace …

The problem with the future, as Timon discovered, is that it doesn’tcome apace, until it does. The future mostly takes its time a-coming. During the years when Timon was blithely handing out his wealth to flatterers and false friends, the future was merely crawling towards him.

As with the proverbial frog in the boiling-pot, by the time the future decides to break into a sprint, it’s too late to do anything about it.

That’s the case with the actual future, at any rate. The imagined future, the future of our hopes and dreams, often fails to arrive at all, especially when the hopes and dreams are founded on false premises.

These metaphysical reflections were inspired by the two big news stories of recent days: the Baltimore riots and the Mediterranean boat people.

baltimore-cover-final[1] In my Radio Derb preview here on VDARE.com I showed the cover of last week’s Time magazine: a monochrome photograph from 1968 of a black demonstrator running from riot police. “America, 19682015,” said the legend “What has changed. What hasn’t.”

There’s a future that failed to arrive: the future of racial harmony we were all looking forward to in 1968. Once unjust laws were struck down,educational opportunities equalized,police forces integrated, and the highest executive offices opened to blacks, we believed, old antipathies would melt away and race would be a matter of concern only to the manufacturers of cosmetics.

How naïve we were! Half a century on, racial harmony is as far away as ever. It may actually be farther away. School segregation, for example, is by some reports worse than in 1968.[ Schools Are More Segregated Today Than During the Late 1960s, .By Emily Richmond, The Atlantic, June 11, 2012]

There were other, darker ideas current in 1968 about the future, too. The spectacle of thousands of Africans trying to gatecrash The_Population_Bomb[1] Europe reminds us of past pessimisms.

Paul Ehrlich’s book The Population Bomb, for example, came out that year, with its flesh-creeping opening statement that

The battle to feed all of humanity is over. In the 1970s hundreds of millions of people will starve to death …

Those years of the late 1960s and early 1970s saw the peak of post-WW2 neo-Malthusian alarm about overpopulation and resource depletion. Novelists and movie-makers caught the mood: Stand on Zanzibar (1969), Soylent Green (1973).

(Although sci-fi writers were as usual way ahead of the game: Pohl and Kornbluth’s classic The Space Merchants had come out in 1954. That is the novel in which one character sports a ring whose precious “stone” is a fragment of genuine oak.)solyent-green[1]

It is easy now to smile at Ehrlich and Soylent Green. Hundreds of millions did not starve to death in the 1970s; New York City’s population in 2022 will not likely be 40 million, as Soylent Greenpredicted, and will (almost certainly) not be feeding on protein from recycled human cadavers.

Looking back at the neo-Malthusian panic of fifty years ago, it’s tempting to conclude that every age needs its scenario of future doom. Back then it was overpopulation; today it is global warming, with the “robocaplyse”—out-of-control artificial intelligence—coming up fast on the inside.

Do these prophecies of doom appeal to something universal in the human psyche, distracting us perhaps from awareness of our own certain, individual future extinctions?

Were the neo-Malthusian alarms of fifty years ago just another future that failed to arrive, the premises all false?

Possibly. Stuff does happen, though. Timon of Athens did end up broke, a bitter misanthrope living in a cave; the proverbial frog waseventually boiled; the future often does, after a long slow crawl, at last come apace.

Looking at the pictures of Mediterranean boat people, and the U.N.’s latest population projections, it’s hard not to think that the future predicted by 1960s neo-Malthusians is coming apace; not worldwide as advertised, but in Sub-Saharan Africa at least.

The boat people pictures bring to mind, both literally as images of people in boats and as a metaphor for smug Europe vs. desperate Africa, a particular one of those neo-Malthusians.

I have in mind the biologist Garrett Hardin, author of the brutally frank 1974 essay Lifeboat Ethics: the Case Against Helping the Poor.”

So here we sit, say 50 people in our lifeboat. To be generous, let us assume it has room for 10 more, making a total capacity of 60. Suppose the 50 of us in the lifeboat see 100 others swimming in the water outside, begging for admission to our boat or for handouts. We have several options: we may be tempted to try to live by the Christian ideal of being “our brother’s keeper,” or by the Marxist ideal of “to each according to his needs.” Since the needs of all in the water are the same, and since they can all be seen as “our brothers,” we could take them all into our boat, making a total of 150 in a boat designed for 60. The boat swamps, everyone drowns. Complete justice, complete catastrophe.

Hardin’s prescriptions for averting the Malthusian catastrophe—they included eugenics, an end to welfare and foreign aid, and allowing famines to take their course—were too strong for most people. He died in 2003, mostly forgotten (although not by Linda Thom, who wrote an obituary of him for VDARE.com.)

Are Hardin’s ideas due for a revival? That depends on how hopeless you think Sub-Saharan Africa is. As I myself have pointed out:

There is a case for optimism. Sub-Saharan Africa is a mighty big place, though you have to see it on a globe for full effect:the Mercator projection minimizes areas close to the equator.Population density overall in the subcontinent is around 100 per square mile. India’s is ten times that, in a worse climate. China’s is 367 overall, but metropolitan China’s—that is, ignoring Tibet, East Turkestan, and Inner Mongolia—is over 600. My bosky outer suburb of New York City has 1,500 souls to the square mile. The U.S.A. as a whole has 84.

Hong Kong, which includes fair-sized mountains and some uninhabited islands, has almost 17 thousand people to the square mile overall …

That turns one’s mind to the question: Why are the people of Sub-Saharan Africa fleeing their 100-to-the-square-mile homelands while the people of Hong Kong seem content in theirs even though it is 170 times more densely populated?

ORDER IT NOW

The boat people are not shy with answers when asked. Sub-Saharan African countries are, for all but a privileged few, awful places to live. An ex-trafficker described the motivations of the boat people thus: “Their attitude is: Better die for something than live for nothing.” [From Mali to Sicily: Reporting the migrants’ route, byAlex Duval Smith, BBC News, April 21, 2015]

But why is that? Legacy of colonialism? Hong Kong was a colony, too—for much longer than most of Africa (155 years: Ethiopia’s colonial period lasted just five years) and until more recently.

Where is Sub-Saharan Africa’s Hong Kong? Where is its Sweden? Where, even, is its Portugal or its Slovenia? (To be fair, the place does seem to be well on its way to generating a North Korea: Paul Kagame’s Rwanda.) [The Global Elite’s Favorite Strongman, By Jeffrey Gettleman, NYT, September 4, 2013]

The most parsimonious explanation is a dearth of human capital. Sub-Saharan Africa doesn’t have enough smart people. The situation isn’t helped at all by the First World’s “generous” immigration policies further depleting the stock.

Generosity: humanitarianism: help for the helpless: is Sub-Saharan Africa sufficiently Malthusian to confound these noble principles? Garrett Hardin would have had an answer.

So, presumably, would Timon of Athens.

John Derbyshire [email him] writes an incredible amount on all sorts of subjects for all kinds of outlets. (This no longer includes National Review, whose editors had some kind of tantrum and fired him. ) He is the author of We Are Doomed: Reclaiming Conservative Pessimism and several other books. His most recent book, published by VDARE.com com is FROM THE DISSIDENT RIGHT (also available in Kindle).His writings are archived at JohnDerbyshire.com.

(Republished from VDare by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Vendetta says:

    That crack on Rwanda becoming North Korea was a bullshit remark. You’ve been reading Chomskyesque rubbish without realizing it. Rwanda’s been running 6-8% growth rates for years now on scarcely any resource base. They just had a 4G network installed. Kagame is teaching the next generation English. They’ve just opened a stock exchange. Kigali is one of the safest and cleanest capital cities to be found on the continent. Take a look at where Rwanda places on the international corruption rankings chart before and after Kagame – it’s a world of improvement.

    Kagame is the a target for fringe-left hate because he’s played friendly with the US and Israel and because he fought all the African pseudo-leftist countries like Zimbabwe and Angola. So ultra-leftists glom onto all the Hutu propoganda they can find about how they were the real victims of the genocide they committed and regurgitate it.

    Paul Kagame is the closest Africa’s ever come to producing a Lee Kuan Yew. You want to see Africa’s North Korea, look no farther than Eritrea.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    , @MW
    , @Anonymous
    , @KA
    , @KA
    , @RW
  2. bossel says:

    Adding to Vendetta’s remarks about Rwanda:
    What about Eritrea? Much closer to becoming an African NK.

  3. Hepp says:

    Great article. Worrying about “population growth” in the abstract is absurd.

    Imagine you’re hosting a dinner party and deciding how many people you need to feed, without taking into account who is going to be bringing food and how much and who is just going to be another mouth.

    The world can always use more productive citizens, and fewer unproductive ones.

    • Replies: @boogerbently
  4. I admire Kagame, but counting on a single forward-thinking dictator and his nuclear family to hold the place together is kind of shortsighted and risky. Maybe we could have him cloned.

    Kagame’s son got shipped off to West Point for his education so dad probably intends to keep the Rwandan presidency in the family. Not that there’s anything wrong with that, but I don’t think hereditary secular dictatorships have a good track record.

  5. Yevardian says:

    It’s a bit much to expect a Portugal or Sweden from a continent, that, by and large; only had agriculture/statehood introduced to it 100-150 years ago. This is because the native crops available made any farming (past slash-and-burn) unsustainable for supporting complex societies. There’s nothing inherently inferior about African genetics. Simply there isn’t the thousands of years of sexual-selection adapted for city-based literary cultures.
    Asia in contrast, has experienced millenia of complex Civilisations.

  6. John:

    Along the same line is a book I read based on your recommendation:

    “What’s Wrong with Benevolence” by David Stove

    Well worth reading.

    Also of note is that infamous editorial in the Irish Independent a few years ago that seems to have disappeared from the tubes, that argued against Foreign Aid for much of the same reasons.

  7. EAFCMM says:
    @Yevardian

    “Asia in contrast, has experienced millenia of complex Civilisations.”

    Doesn’t that beg the question? Those complex civilizations didn’t just pop up on their own.

  8. KA says:

    Foreign aid is usually part of a systemic racket that enriches few on both sides of the table . It was British Medical Journal in 1994 that commented that UK brought back 2 pounds for very 1 pound it spent on Africa.
    In Super Capitalism,Michael Hudson essentially came to the same conclusion but with much geographically broader relevance . America makes money out of the foreign aid .

    I don’t want to comment on Rwanda . Good to see that the country is making progress but to support that claim with statistics of unemployent renders it at best dubious and unreliable assertion.

    Sub Saharan migration didn’t start in 1960. It is the product of the Libyan invasion . Long time ago Colon Powell reminded Bush 2 of the Pottery Barn rule: you destroy it – you own it . The refugees have been created by Italy,British,French,and US . They should own it .

    • Replies: @KA
  9. Truth says:

    Simple mindedness, Derb. Same old hackneyed talking points, little originality.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    , @Realist
  10. jon says:
    @Yevardian

    There’s nothing inherently inferior about African genetics. Simply there isn’t the thousands of years of sexual-selection adapted for city-based literary cultures.

    Not sure how these two sentences can both be true.

  11. jon says:

    In my Radio Derb preview here on VDARE.com I showed the cover of last week’s Time magazine: a monochrome photograph from 1968 of a black demonstrator running from riot police. “America, 19682015,” said the legend “What has changed. What hasn’t.”

    FYI – It’s actually a photograph from 2015 made to look like it was from 1968.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2015/04/30/the-powerful-baltimore-photo-on-times-cover-was-shot-by-an-amateur-photographer/

  12. Art says:

    The Malthusians have always in the long run been proven wrong.

    The idealists when given their head have always, one day at a time, made things better – it seems that the universe lets good things happen.

    Give the idealists their due and their freedom to create, and all will work out – it is that simple.

    • Replies: @bomag
    , @Jim
    , @Hans Olo
  13. This reminds me of when an apartment neighbor, out of “the goodness of his heart,” began setting food out for a stray cat that wandered onto the front porch of the building. Before long a whole community of stray cats was living there. The place reeked of cat waste. The neighbor continued feeding the animals until people complained enough. When he stopped, the strays went away and the air became breathable again.

    All my life we have been exhorted to feed and help Africans. We are now being told to take in the grandchildren of the people we were feeding when I was a young man. When will it stop?

    • Replies: @Anonym
  14. I’m pretty sure the TIME cover is a photo from this year.

  15. @Vendetta

    Very good comment.

    In addition to no African country being a North Korea, likewise North Korea is no African country. As the commentator Glossy put it so well once:

    In regards to North Korea: how’s that Sudanese nuclear weapons program coming along? Any 100-story hotels put up with the help of local engineering talent? Come to think of it, did even any of Dubai’s high-rise projects use local engineering talent? If the US government ever became so displeased with Congo-Brazzaville as to wish to contain it, how many troops would it need to use? 400? 4,000? 40,000? How long would they have to stay? How much money would have to be spent on this?

    PS. Also I have read that Rwanda is sociologically distinct from most of the rest of the continent. They are something like the Germans of sub-Saharan Africa. Unlike in most African states, the state is actually respected there, and commands the loyalty of its citizenry, which can be used both for good (under a learned technocrat such as Kagame) or ill (as during the Tutsi genocide). So its experience is probably not directly extensible to the rest of Africa.

    • Replies: @Vendetta
    , @Anonymous
  16. The Rwanda genocide is an very important historical event telling a lot about HBD and demographic developments. First of all the genocide matches the thesis of Gottfredson, which is that genocides are not committed by economical stronger groups who for some reason hate the poorer and less intelligent, it is the other way round. Concerning HBD it is a good illustration of the failure of so called postmodern pseudo intellectual theories. Those theories said that there are no genetical differences between Hutus and Tutsis but European colonial powers brought their preconcepts about caucasian admixture in some African people and used this made up distinction to rule over the Africans (divide and conquer). Also for scientific antiracist the conflicts between Tutsis and Hutus shower what a devastating effect such distinctions can have. Today of course we know that there actually ARE significant genetical differences between the two groups. I would not be surprised that when the genetic basis for intelligence is researched in 10 or 20 years we will see that Tutsis are on average more intelligent for genetic reasons. Anybody with open eyes could have seen that there have to be genetic differences given that the people just look so different, one group sturdy and small, one group tall and lanky. Last but not least the genocide shows that we are actually doomed. The Hutu-like population is exploding in subsaharaan Africa and in the whole world, everybody could be the next Tutsi-like group that is targeted.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  17. Some time ago I spoke with an African telecom executive and we chatted about the percepetion we had of each others continent when we were younger.

    Me, telling him how on television we only got to see fly-covered, starving, black children and please donate for a water well or adopt a child through FosterParents. etc. In general, misery all over. Hell on earth.

    Him, how the ‘West’ could send over aid-workers who lived in nice villas with cooks, chauffeurs, maids and drive new Jeeps.
    He thought the people who could send over that kind of luxury helpers had to at least live in huge golden palaces back home.

    Can’t blame the black people for trying their luck.

  18. MW says:
    @Vendetta

    Kagame is a cargo-cult Lee Kuan Yew. Clean streets – yay! No tolerance for petty crime – yay! Government buildings shaped like eggs – hooray! But where are the exports?

    The whole enterprise, including the absurd building spree in the capital, is funded by aid, remittance, and by Euro-denominated loans they don’t have a chance of paying back. Even native elites working for the government have their contracts tied to dollars, because no one trusts the Rwandan Franc. Current account deficits persist of course, and peasant agriculture, which is the only thing that really matters, is seeing minimal improvement. What are they going to export? All of East Africa grows coffee and tea, the only thing special about Rwanda’s is that they are particularly far from export markets.

    • Replies: @Vendetta
  19. Vendetta says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Good reply from AK. There are limits to every comparison and Eritrea-North Korea goes only as far as being isolationist, poverty-stricken, totalitarian, and locked in cold war with a neighboring state. North Korea in spite of its poverty and dysfunction does have an actual scientific and industrial base.

    Eritrea is heavily militarized enough to have made it a tough nut for Ethiopia to crack (Ethiopia having the largest and one of the better-disciplined armies in sub-Saharan Africa), but yes, they are not well-armed enough to pose a threat to anyone besides Djibouti. They’ve got tough, cutthroat light infantry but that’s about all. The last war they fought with Ethiopia they fought World War I style, digging into trenches and trying to bleed out the enemy. Problem was the Ethiopians came at them with tanks (they’ve got a couple hundred T-54s and the like) and they only had enough AT weaponry to wipe out the first wave of them.

    If they weren’t so existentially committed to defense against Ethiopia, I think Eritrea could earn a little hard cash loaning its men out to other sub-Saharan states as shock troops. They’d make mincemeat out of Boko Haram or those ragtag cannibal warlord bands.

  20. Vendetta says:
    @MW

    That’s the main problem there, the lack of resource base. I honestly think they should have been allowed to take over Kivu and develop the mining resources there. They’d do a Hell of a lot better with it than the Congolese.

  21. bomag [AKA "doombuggy"] says:
    @Art

    The Malthusians have always in the long run been proven wrong.

    Nature bats last.

    Current civ. is but a blip on nature’s time scale.

  22. Kyle a says:
    @Yevardian

    So do you think fucking like bunnies in a large city dwelling will bring them up to speed with the rest of the group? How many years will that take?

  23. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Perhaps they are ‘like the Germans’ in the efficiency in which they can execute genocide.

  24. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Vendetta

    Dig a little deeper and you will find that so-called ‘foreign aid’ – that is hard earned taxpayer cash of unwilling and unknowing western working stiffs filched out of their pockets by a corrupt political class – is the source of ‘spectacular’ Rwandan growth and the 4G network of the jungle.

    • Replies: @Vendetta
  25. eisermann says:

    Brood social parasitism exists in avian and insect species. The trick is to get someone else to do the real work that feeds and raises your children, growing food, manufacturing nests, defending those arrangements. It may also be intra species, intraspecific parasitism exists in primates. Its perhaps better to understand international and intra group competition within human primates using the same biological lens. Such a lens would inform the observer and prompt the question “Which is the parasite and which is the Host”?

    Domestically the multi- generation welfare recipient may be seen as the parasite, but it feeds on a powerless middle class based on legal arrangements established against its will by a controlling elite. The same may be said for the international aid recipient nation at the macro level.

    The method of achieving power for the transnational western elite appears to be the ability to coin clip, produce wealth in paper electronically, and then allocate it to itself. This achieves market power which can then be wielded as a club against market entry by competitive nations or classes, new firms, labor. Any risk it faces is socialized . To back up its hegemony, the parasite utilizes mimicry, that is deception, even self deception.

    The African slave or White indentured servant, or African or Asian boat person, then is not the parasite, but a Host whose human defense to parasitism is in what the biologists call a time lag in evolutionary response to the parasite’s predations

    It may then be that the IQ wealth of nations hypothesis is but a fig leaf of deception for a intra-species parasite.The displaced white tech worker has more in common with the displaced black african than he does with the multi-colored elite which displaced him, or with the race IQ theorists who promulgate the economic and racial supremacy of shysters, shylocks elite brood parasites.

  26. Anonym says:
    @Truth

    Where do you live, Truth? Detroit? The Congo?

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @Anonymous
  27. Anonym says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    If a penny is given to them, it won’t be from me.

  28. Truth says:

    Recess is over, Johnnie, please pick up your crayon and try to color within the lines…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCQcHv38v54

  29. @ Art: the winner writes history, or better: the winner writes something at all, while the looser simply gets forgotten. In history it didn´t always end well for everybody. American natives are probably the saddest story of the last 500 years. Pygmies in subsaharan Africa were and are doomed. Neanderthals are gone. Bad things happen to people

  30. Truth says:
    @Anonym

    A better question would be, Where do YOU live?

    • Replies: @Anonym
  31. Vendetta says:
    @Anonymous

    No one needs to dig at all to find that. The difference being that under Kagame, the aid has actually been invested to make tangible improvements to the economy and the country, and not just gone to the ruling families’ estates and bank accounts as it does 90% of the time in the rest of Africa.

  32. Jim says:
    @Yevardian

    Sub-Saharan Africans have lagged behind Eurasian populations since the Mousterian 50,000 years ago and more recently they have also lagged well behind New World civilizations. Everywhere in the world where there are siginificant populations of Sub-Saharan African descent they are at or near the bottom in SES and educational levels.

    On the other hand everywhere in the world where there are populations of East Asian ancestry they are at or near the top in SES and educational levels.

  33. KA says:
    @Vendetta

    “The holocaust and genocide industries will converge midway through the UN General Assembly’s general debate, at Cooper Union in New York City, when Nobel Peace Laureate Elie Wiesel teams up with Rwandan President Paul Kagame for “A UN Week Discussion in Prelude to the 20th Anniversary of the Rwanda Genocide and the International Response to the Syrian Chemical Slaughter.” “Kosher Sex” author Rabbi Shmuley Boteach will moderate and two Jewish billionaire moguls and philanthropists, Las Vegas Sands owner Sheldon Adelson, and hedge fund manager Michael Steinhardt, will join him to answer the question, “Are the strong obliged to protect the weak?” (So long as the weak are not in Palestine or the Democratic Republic of the Congo.)”
    http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/09/20/the-israelrwanda-pact/

  34. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    THE NON-ETHICS OF LIFE-BOATS AND IMMIGRATION—IT IS CRIMINAL IN EVERY WAY.

    The real reason these aliens are fleeing to Europe and USA is to steal jobs, money (welfare) and women from Europeans. Their claim that they are asylees is bogus. They are basically invaders and criminals, to be honest, who will commit crimes, steal and attack white women. 90% of the rapists in Sweden are 3rd worl aliens.

    The real reason the crooked left-wing EU and US politicians are letting them in is because they know the aliens will vote for them, so they want to win elections and establish a permanent majority. They are also taking bribes from Jewish criminals who want to destroy the goyim. The Judaists believe multi-culturalism is good, because with whites busy getting raped and murdered by blacks, they are less likely to criticize the Judaists and not notice Jewish crimes and child rapes as much. Also, the goyim are likely to become more softened and develop so much “tolerance” by being exposed to black crime, they will “tolerate” Jewish crimes more easily so Judaists can continue to oppress and exploit the goyim more easily. So they bribe politicians to let more aliens in and cover up their crime using bogus terms such as “asylum” and “better life”, etc.

    The moral and ethical thing to do is to repel these invaders. Their boats should be arrested at sea, the captains arrested and tried for human trafficking (which should be made a capital offense) and, if convicted, sentenced to death. The boats should be towed back to Libya or if they refuse, torpedoed. Once the invaders know the invasion is not working, they will not even try.

    Immigration: The West’s biggest criminal enterprise. And the gullible public is wondering what is happening.

  35. KA says:
    @Vendetta

    “Rabbi Boteach and his friends’ heroization of President Paul Kagame is breathtaking in its dismissal of Rwandans now suffering under Kagame’s brutal dicatatorship, and of the people of the Democratic Republic of the Congo, where millions have died, millions more have become refugees or “internally displaced people (IDPs),” since 1996, when Rwanda, Uganda, and Burundi invaded Congo, beginning 18 years of war, conflict, and occupation. For most of those years, Rwanda has been given victim’s license in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, like Israel in Palestine.

    That license is now at least verbally limited, with even the U.S. State Department calling on Rwanda to stop supporting the M23 militia in Congo. However, the U.S. and the rest of the Security Council are still unwilling to say that Rwanda is “supporting” M23 out loud in session at the UN, much less to acknowledge that Rwanda’s top military officers are commanding M23, as documented in the 2012 UN Group of Experts on Congo’s report.

    —-
    Although this won’t happen, except here in cyberspace, I like to imagine my Swiss Congolese friend BK Kumbi bursting in on Ellie Wiesel, Paul Kagame, Shmuley Boteach, et al, in New York at the end of September, as she burst in on Secretary General Ban-Ki-Moon at a March 1st UN conference in Geneva, shouting:

    “But what about people of the Congo, PLEASE? What about people of the CONGO? You don’t say anything about that! There’s been 8 million people killed and you’re making fictitious peace, and you’re telling us that this is peace, when AGGRESSORS ARE NOT NAMED. Rwanda has been known … has … is responsible of what is going wrong in the peace, in Congo, and nobody says something about that! Burundi! Uganda! You should say that! We are sick and tired of hearing every time people here just being so peaceful with AFRICA! You should let AFRICA in PEACE!”

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/09/20/the-israelrwanda-pact/

    • Replies: @Vendetta
  36. Jim says:
    @Art

    You’ve probably heard that a single bacterium dividing under optimal conditions would increase to the mass of the earth in about 48 hours. At a 3% per year population increase humanity would exceed the mass of the earth in less than 1800 years. At 2% per year it would take less than 2700 years. Even at 1% it would take a little over 5300 years. These are all less then the time back to the earliest civilizations. Present rates of population growth will not less long. Exactly how they will end remains to be seen but it may not be a pretty picture.

  37. there is a lot more to it than just IQ. Obviously, africans do not have something that whites and east asians do have.

    But there are many attributes of homo sapiens that we do not yet understand. Aggressiveness, ability to create a highly cohesive society. Someday we will understand these things.

    For now however whites need to stop handing everything to blacks and just let them do it on their own.

  38. Realist says:
    @Truth

    Any time a black country appears to make progress, it is due to foreign aid.

    • Replies: @Truth
  39. Kat Grey says:

    Sicily has just been blessed with another 7000 migrants from the Dinghy Armada. The balmy weather and calm sea is obviously a factor not to mention the enticing boons Italian taxpayers are so generously providing to these gatecrashers; none of whom are bringing anything to the party except a list of demands ranging from gyms at the accomodation centres to the necessary documents enabling them to invade the European nation of their choice. Favoured destinations happen to be Germany, Sweden, France and Norway..where all the sexually-liberated blonde chicks are (wink, wink). Bear in mind over 90% of these “refugees” are male and under 30. Now this brings me to my next point. How long can the accomodation centres, already containing the entire populations of 30 Congolese villages, keep these hordes from breaking out of the confines? Security is lax and the police overtaxed. And remember these are young men, the majority religious Muslims unused to the immodest western women, who walk freely outside the gates beguilingly clad in miniskirts and shorts. For the whopping (pun unintended) sum of £35 per day Italians have been “requested” by their slack-balled government to demonstrate their brotherly love and donate a room or second home to these “poor” people fresh off the boats. The media adds to this wailing chorus painting us a picture of a harrowing journey across desert and sea (clad in bling, designer shoes and clothes, now would ye swally that?) Will the next request be for us to prostitute our nubile daughters (as a humanitarian gesture mind) to comfort these Africans seeing as the EU does not want anymore immigrants?!! Their cities and towns are rapidly becoming foreign places for the indigenous people as non-EU immigrants will soon outnumber them. In short Europe is full to the brim and does not need Africa’s surplus population.

  40. KA says:
    @KA

    Only country that has benfitted from aid is Isreal. But the raeson lies elsewhere. Israel now markets US evry products that US has made in the past .Israel has used the confidential information and has used it against American business delegation or counterparts in getting maxium leverage .It also has used US congress and Europeans ( to service NATO ‘s infrastructure and maintainance) to open up the most lucrtaive markets like medicine,chemicals,and software and military hardwares .In US it has benfitted form financial deregulation ,deregulation of media and entertainment ,and from seizure of the Republican Party from the top while mainataining good donor control of the Democrats .( Only time Republican benfitted from donor were seen in post Bush 2 era ,mainly reklated to the issues of wars in ME) . Israel also has benefitted from highly skilled workers from Russia it didnt have to pay to train. Most of the money that Israel spends to subsidize eductaion,housing,health,and transport comes from annual doles and from routinely used discretionary budget allocation by Congress ( remeber 10 billion to settle some refugees from Soviet in 1991 that sank Bush 1)

  41. Immigrant from former USSR [AKA "Florida Resident"] says:
    @Erik Sieven

    Agreed, with sadness.

  42. unit472 says:

    I’m not that familiar with Rwanda except to recall it is physically a tiny country in Central Africa where that horrible genocide took place. That it is small ( 10,000 square miles or 2/3 the size of Switzerland gives it some advantages. The government can actually run the place and improve it on the sort of shoestring budgets African nations have available. It doesn’t take billions of dollars to put some paved roads in a country 100 miles across and Rwanda has the kind of population density that makes a few roads go a long way.

    For most of the rest of Africa the idea that the government governs the country is a joke. Look at Nigeria. The government in Lagos has no control over its northern regions and little control over areas outside the capital and Nigeria has oil money. Most African nations are nothing more than a placard at the UN, some modern office buildings in the capital and a few embassies in Western donor countries.

  43. Vendetta says:
    @KA

    Precisely the sort of far-left drivel I was referring in which Kagame’s Rwanda becomes guilty by way of association with Israel and in which everything wrong with the Congo DR is projected onto Kagame as being his fault.

    No mention made whatsoever of the 10-20,000 armed FDLR troops that received refuge in the Congo right across the border. No credit to Kagame for unseating the kleptocratic tyrant Mobutu. Much ado made of M23 with no mention of the other dozen or two militias operating in the Congo including the aforementioned FDLR. More peddling of the myth that the Europeans invented the distinction between Hutu and Tutsi. More peddling of exaggerated figures of the casualties that failed to take into account that people died like flies all the time in the Congo whether there was war or peace, and lumped in disease deaths with wartime casualties. And above all, shifting of the blame for the genocide from the Hutus onto anyone else – the RPF, the Europeans, anyone and everyone but the people who went around chopping up Tutsis.

    Ann Garrison, producer of content for Global Research and KPFA-Berkeley – meaning she’s a crackpot by association, in accordance with her own logic.

    • Replies: @Vendetta
    , @KA
    , @KA
  44. Retired says:

    While I am not optimistic about the future of man being better than our immediate past, I am not prepared to write off Subsarharan Africa so easily. There has been a lot of economic growth and improvements in health over the past 10 years as the continent grows organically rather than being force fed a western development model.
    Ehrlich was a zoologist and so he saw humans as ant, not made in God’s image. Actually a Marxist view as well. He had no concept of human innovation nor of the complexity of human societies.
    Africa will forge her own path. We cannot predict the future any better than the malthusians
    The wild card will be the Chicoms who are trying to extract Africa’s resources. May the African confound them the way they did the West and may some of they money they squander in the attempt benefit the locals.

    • Replies: @Rocky
  45. Anonym says:
    @Truth

    I live in a place that is not anything like Detroit or the Congo yet, and I’d like to keep it that way. I suspect that you live in such a place too and you would move somewhere else before it got to be like Detroit or the Congo, even if you think these sorts of questions are tired and hackneyed.

    • Replies: @Truth
  46. Anonym says:

    The altruism of white people, and our inclination to protect and nurture may be our biggest weakness. If it wasn’t for the media, patrols of A-10s would slow this sort of invasion down really quick.

    • Replies: @Olorin
    , @Kat Grey
  47. KA says:
    @Vendetta

    Why dont you look at the associations that Kagame is proud of

    • Replies: @Vendetta
  48. Patriot says:

    hahahaha, comments from the peanut gallery mostly, garnered from a left wing media, owned by the self same politicians orchestrating the worldwide mayhem.

    A microcosm of Europe and the USA 5 – 10 years from now is the New. Unimproved. Miracle. South Africa everyone shoved down our throats for all those years. Get on a plane and come see what a hellhole this country is today. Deaf and blind liberals plotted and schemed for decades to bring “Democracy” and “Power Sharing” to what was once a blinding light of civilisation and progress for all – yes all – its citizens. Now it is just another African dump.

    Quote all the studies you like, soak up all the propaganda fed to the masses every day, believe all the fake scientific research produced by so called “academics”, Europe and the USA are on exactly the same path South Africa is on, maybe a decade or so behind, but same path none the less.

    Short of a miracle where the common man wakes up from the nightmare sold as sweet dreams, you are screwed. Welcome to Lies and Obfuscation R Us

    • Replies: @Enrique Cardova
  49. Vendetta says:
    @KA

    Are you going to finish that thought?

  50. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonym

    In a recent Reed thread, Truth said he’s with U.S. Army in Kuwait.

  51. […] his latest article, John Derbyshire asks, “Why are the people of Sub-Saharan Africa fleeing their 100-to-the-square-mile homelands while the pe…”  The Derb points out that the legacy of colonialism can’t completely account for […]

  52. Rocky says:
    @Retired

    Retired

    “There has been a lot of economic growth and improvements in health over the past 10 years as the continent grows organically rather than being force fed a western development model.”

    Errr, so why leave now?

    If life is better now, why leave?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  53. Crassus [AKA "Ergot"] says: • Website

    One avenue of hope for Africa may come from China. The Chinese have huge operations extracting the natural resources of Africa, but they are plagued by African inefficiency and unreliability. It would be helpful to the Chinese if their African collaborators were more on-the-ball. In an effort to raise the quality of their grunt workers, maybe China will help to solve the malnutrition contributions to low average IQ in Africa. More interestingly, the Chinese are working still trying to genetically engineer genius babies. Maybe the Chinese will engineer Africans to be above the world average in executive function: http://worldcrass.com/2015/05/05/will-genetic-engineering-raise-the-average-iq-of-africa/

  54. abj_slant says:

    I remember well the 60s. The idea was to equalize the opportunities, and it wouldn’t so much be the ” old antipathies would melt away” as society would grow and all would benefit. Of course, we all assumed that the blacks would want the same things as the whites, and would be more than happy to work toward that goal.

    Didn’t work out so well.

  55. tsotha says:

    Errr, so why leave now?

    If life is better now, why leave?

    Because the Crazy Colonel used to stop refugee transit through Libya. Indeed, whenever he wanted the Europeans to leave him alone he would threaten to swamp them with Kenyans and Ethiopians. The demand for migration was always there, but it took the end of the Kadaffi regime to open a convenient route, in relative terms.

    Sub Saharan Africa is growing quite well. The question is how much of that growth will ultimately go into building civilizations and how much will go to internecine squabbling.

  56. @Erik Sieven

    Last but not least the genocide shows that we are actually doomed.

    Depends on who we is.

    it may turn out that “love your enemy” is the ultimate — one might even say most intelligent — survival strategy.

  57. Corvinus says:

    “Any time a black country appears to make progress, it is due to foreign aid.”

    “Most African nations are nothing more than a placard at the UN, some modern office buildings in the capital and a few embassies in Western donor countries.”

    Is there culpability on the part of the darkies? Yes. But, it is observably true that white Europeans put the darkies in their current predicament. Up until the 1960’s, Africa was under the control of European powers, with their “benevolent rule” and “march toward progress”. Sure, whitey built up the infrastructure…for their own purposes. History has thoroughly demonstrated that nations or continents that were colonized and became part of long-standing empire, there will inevitably be GENERATIONS of civil unrest, social upheaval, and economic upticks and downturns for said nation or continent once the jackbooters are removed from power. So it is easy for Derbyshire the race traitor to state how the darkies lack the intelligence and work ethic to rise above their status when they collectively are behind the proverbial eight ball.

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    , @MarkinLA
  58. Art Deco says: • Website

    To what extent are African standards of living declining, or suffering a relative decline in comparison with those of the United States?

    If you take the World Bank’s numbers at face value, 10 countries suffered a decline in living standards over the period running from 1992 to 2011 (including one major country, the Congo), 14 improved but suffered a loss of relative position (including South Africa and Kenya), and 20 improved their relative position (among them Nigeria and Ethiopia).

    Not sure the lifeboat metaphor applies properly. African total fertility rates have been declining for 30-odd years, albeit at a modest pace.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  59. RW says:
    @Vendetta

    Don’t forget that in the wakes of genocides often come economic prosperity. Genocides clear the way for a diminished supply of labor that brings higher wages. And land is more plentiful at cheaper prices. The economic miracle in Rawanda probably won’t last much longer.

    • Replies: @Vendetta
    , @KA
  60. Derbyshire says:
    There’s a future that failed to arrive: the future of racial harmony we were all looking forward to in 1968.
    Actually Derbyshire was not among the “we” in 1968. Nor were a massive number of whites. In 1968 the federal government had to file several lawsuits just to enforce a minimal floor of compliance with the Civil Rights Act of 1964. And one year after 1968, even the minimalist Nixon Administration grew tired of racist unions stonewalling even minimal compliance with civil rights laws, leading to Nixon’s famous “Philadelphia Plan.” This measure was ugly and imperfect but showed the lengths even a Republican president had to resort to, to get many whites to even live up to their most basic rhetoric about equality.

    .
    Once unjust laws were struck down,educational opportunities equalized,police forces integrated, and the highest executive offices opened to blacks, we believed, old antipathies would melt away and race would be a matter of concern only to the manufacturers of cosmetics.
    This is a dubious strawman. Actually no credible black civil rights observer or activists or lawyer, or radical of the era ever believed this. Nor did most liberals. Even the staunchly liberal Hubert Humphrey, instrumental in helping Johnson push through civil rights legislation was a racial pragmatist and did not expect any instant nirvana. And in 1968, the cynical Richard Nixon certainly looked for any nirvana.

    .
    Half a century on, racial harmony is as far away as ever. It may actually be farther away.

    Again dubious. “Harmony” does not mean everybody intermarries and attends church together. Even whites of the same race have not achieved this allegedly blissful state. And the election of a black president would never have happened in the “non-harmonious” United States 50 years ago. He got the around same amount of white votes other white Dem candidates have gotten. Contrary to both HBD and leftist propaganda, America has changed.

    .
    School segregation, for example, is by some reports worse than in 1968.[ Schools Are More Segregated Today Than During the Late 1960s, .By Emily Richmond, The Atlantic, June 11, 2012]
    Actually the Atlantic notes that housing segregation is what is driving school segregation, and links to an article by Orfield 2005, who notes that heavy surging immigration by Hispanics is a central driver in the segregation pattern. This is nothing unusual. Most white ethnics lived in segregated enclaves as their immigration numbers poured in- taking multiple decades to disperse. When the overall picture is looked at, as opposed to selected strawmen, the US has actually made substantial progress in desegregation, and that includes schools, since the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

    Assorted HBDers have a vested interest in painting as negative a picture as possible- their own negative race card- so they can then tout their own racialist agenda, just as liberals also have the same vested interest to pursue whatever agenda of the moment. See the conservative Manhattan Institute’s objective analysis below:

    Desegregation Is an Unsung U.S. Success Story
    http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/miarticle.htm?id=7845

    The much bandied about notion of a “failure of integration” also contradicts other HBD notions. It is sometimes claimed that white people are being “forced” to associate with minorities for example, and just will not “wake up” to develop racial consciousness (Jared taylor 2002). But this is self-contradictory. The very “failure of integration” shows the opposite case- for this “failure” shows that whites have actually separated themselves off substantially from “the culluds.” How could there be an alleged “forcible” association with minorities, when in fact, separation, which is a main goal of HBD, has been accomplished?

    And if whites separating off have contributed to the “failure” of integration, won’t that be a good thing? Isn’t that what HBDers want above all else- the failure of integration? And how could whites per Jared Taylor “lack racial consciousness” when they have been so busy separating themselves off? The very fact of white separation contradicts several assorted “HBD” claims.

    .
    Looking at the pictures of Mediterranean boat people, and the U.N.’s latest population projections, it’s hard not to think that the future predicted by 1960s neo-Malthusians is coming apace; not worldwide as advertised, but in Sub-Saharan Africa at least. The boat people pictures bring to mind, both literally as images of people in boats and as a metaphor for smug Europe vs. desperate Africa, a particular one of those neo-Malthusians.

    Actually this is yet another strawman. Numbers are comparatively small compared to the migration that transpires on the US -Mexican border. The recent Economist Magazine cover story on the issue notes that the bulk of the refugees are a product of unrest in Syria and to a lesser extent, the “Arab Spring” fallout, and civil war in Eritrea. This is a far different picture than the breathless “HBD” propaganda claims of “hordes” of “sub-Saharan blacks” supposedly “swamping” the beaches of Europe. Just the Syrian unrest, itself a product of internal fighting working in combination with Western, Arab and Israeli machinations in the mix, has generated millions of displaced persons. Western military campaigns in North Africa, notably the overthrow of strongman Khadaffi in Libya, once a buffer absorbing migrant movement, is another factor.

    The magazine also notes that some liberal European countries are moving with “all deliberate speed” on the refugee crisis. Quote: “The obvious reason for the recent increase in deaths is that less is being done to avert them.” This “benign neglect” approach suggests that Europeans are in no hurry to see more refugees and in fact have been discouraging their arrival, by hoping that sea voyages in rickety, unsafe boats whittle down the numbers that make it. Ginned up propaganda about how “the liberals” have “thrown open European borders” to “Sub-Saharan blacks” is bogus. The situation is in many cases the exact opposite. LIBERAL Europe has actually been in the forefront of discouraging said migrants, by letting the sea hazards cut their numbers.

    As for Malthus, his predictions failed on some counts in Europe and will also likewise fail in Africa. The primary driver of turmoil is civil war, just as the driver of mass starvation in Europe has been warfare, dictatorships and civil unrest- whether it be white Joe Stalin’s multi-million body count in the Holodomor, to the mass refugee crisis and starvation in the white Balkans just a few years ago.

    .
    The boat people are not shy with answers when asked. Sub-Saharan African countries are, for all but a privileged few, awful places to live.
    Most of the “boat people” though are NOT from “sub-Saharan” Africa. But are “Caucasoids” from the “Middle East” to use classic HBD racial terminology and categories.

    .
    Population density overall in the subcontinent is around 100 per square mile. India’s is ten times that, in a worse climate. China’s is 367 overall, but metropolitan China’s—that is, ignoring Tibet, East Turkestan, and Inner Mongolia—is over 600. My bosky outer suburb of New York City has 1,500 souls to the square mile. The U.S.A. as a whole has 84. Hong Kong, which includes fair-sized mountains and some uninhabited islands, has almost 17 thousand people to the square mile overall … That turns one’s mind to the question: Why are the people of Sub-Saharan Africa fleeing their 100-to-the-square-mile homelands while the people of Hong Kong seem content in theirs even though it is 170 times more densely populated?

    This sort of “geographic” analysis is ludicrous. Those touted Indian and Chinese examples have been massive generators of mass murder, mass starvation and mass people displacement. Just China has seen the slaughter -either directly or via regime induced policies of persecution and collectivization of almost 60 million human beings in the 20th century. India saw the mass slaughter of over a million people in division with Pakistan. These touted “role models” are hardly examples of goodness, and have generated plenty of “fleeing” people.

    Nor is northern Europe any different. White Ireland historically has had less population density than Hong Kong, yet has generated refugees by the millions, both into Britain and the US. An these refugees have been marked by high levels of social pathology, violence, out of wedlock births and substance abuse (primarily alcohol). Why isn’t Derbyshire asking why these apparent white “role models” are “fleeing” or have fled THEIR homelands?

    .
    Hardin’s prescriptions for averting the Malthusian catastrophe—they included eugenics, an end to welfare and foreign aid, and allowing famines to take their course—were too strong for most people. He died in 2003, mostly forgotten.
    But his “eugenics” notions were put partially into practice by one ex-corporal in Germany named Schickelgruber, albeit with a bit more rigor. Schickelgruber’s operations “cleansed” a large part of Europe of what he termed “useless mouths” and the doctors under his employ, disregarded their medical oath for a “cleansing” of tens of thousands of people including injecting children with various chemicals, leaving them to die in agony as “reactions” were recorded, and hanging them to make more observations before dismemberment for further “study.” The notion of “useless mouths” so often invoked by medical doctors at Nurenberg, and the need to control populations, is the logical ending point of Hardin’s prescriptions.

    As for the so-called “Malthusian catastrophe” the link to Steve Sailer offers such laughable fare as this:

    ” Think of this from the perspective of the Malthusian Trap. Europeans already tended to voluntarily keep their populations below Malthusian limits by practicing the moral restraint that the Rev. Malthus famously advised in 1798.” ..

    When actual facts rather than facile race rubbish are looked at, Europe never kept its population below Malthusian limits. Alleged “moral restraint” did not prevent Europe from consistently out-reproducing Africa for centuries, right down to the 20th. Nor did alleged “moral restraint” prevent sexed up white Irish from exhausting their own homeland with millions of dancing babies. Nor did alleged “moral restraint” prevent white Italians from sexing it up and then with over-population, particularly in southern Italy, migrating to the US to escape. Between 1880 and 1920 more than three million Italians fleeing the poverty of their homelands came to America, a surge greater than any put on by “Mexican wetbacks” over a similar time period.

    Sailer cannot even keep his own argument straight. He continually misrepresents scholar John Reader and in fact quotes Reader as to tropical diseases, low soil fertility etc, as limiting African populations, but then turns around and laments lack of Africa’s Malthusian controls, while insisting Europe held its population don due to “restraint.” Its utterly laughable, but mayhap Europe’s demographic decline will benefit from more of Sailer’s sterling analyses.

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    , @silviosilver
  61. Vendetta says:
    @RW

    Have any stats to link to on genocides other than this one?

    • Replies: @RW
  62. Olorin says:
    @Anonym

    The media are not run by the altruism of white people.

  63. @Patriot

    Quite dubious. Actually white South Africans got a very good deal, and preserved the core of its dominance with the arrangements cut in the 1990s. The commanding heights of the economy (and a significant swathe of the middle range), most of the productive land, most of the finances, most of the technology control, most of the key pillars of the economy- from diamonds, to agriculture, to mining, to manufacturing, to the essential military formations and hardware, etc etc remain firmly in white hands. Far from the alleged “hell hole”, whites in South Africa are comfortably situated overall.

    –They can keep all the gains secured under apartheid including the prior protections of and advantages gained via white “affirmative action”

    –Most of their power and financial privilege is sheltered and protected. There are no land confiscations, no asset seizures, etc. Whites actually made a pretty good deal for themselves

    –They can get their cash and assets out of South Africa with relative ease

    –The public sector, so long a comfortable sinecure for whites that sheltered and paid them well, including taxes paid by blacks, was actually cut back in several ways when black rule started as part of the Mandela deal. In other words, whites fed heavily from the public trough when they were in power, but the trough was cut back when blacks took over.

    –Whites remain a heavily armed population and suffer much less from crime as compared to the black population. Behind their gated communities and ubiquitous security guards, whites actually live quite comfortably

    –Some black political machinations are simply those of normal patronage politics, when one party takes over from another. The Irish do it. Italians do it. The Jews do it. Its only when a black man shows up for the same deal than then a hypocritical cry arises.

    –Many of the losses n whites are simply the inevitable operation of market forces unleashed once the artificial barriers of apartheid dropped. A substantial proportion of less competitive, less productive whites were sheltered with privileged “color bar” sinecures under apartheid. With the end of that artificial shelter, it is inevitable that black alternatives fill the gap- whether in terms of less expensive labor, or more productive labor. Why should a company keep paying inflated and artificial white union benefits and wages when cheaper, more productive or motivated black labor can get the same job done?

    A similar pattern emerged in the US southern textile industry. The removal of discriminatory practices led to an increase in black workers at all levels. Some white employers were quite happy about this. Before they had to pay inflated wages to white union people who demanded that certain jobs be only “reserved” for whites. The new civil rights laws enabled them to dispense with self-serving white union contracts and hire people based on merit. They also gained on the bottom line for the black workers could be hired more cheaply.

    .
    –As the poorer whites vacate, those whites able to take advantage of expanding service sectors (finance, real estate, media, etc) and education are grasping opportunities. Whites can now pocket the profits from a shift to service industries and financial manipulation and trading. And their old power base, land ownership, still remains intact. All in all, not a bad deal.

    Indeed, according to scholars like Patrick Bond, professor at the University of KwaZulu-Natal School of Development Studies, on some measures, white wealth in SA has actually gone UP since the Mandela era’s black takeover.

    • Replies: @Patriot
    , @unpc downunder
  64. I suppose that the prophecy of the rest of the article could be as credible as the boiled frog trope. Which one would expect more, from a mathematician … unless, the problem isn’t not enough really smart people, but too many smart people doing really dumb things, even evil things. An ounce of kindness is worth more than a ton of misguided genius.

  65. That editorial I referenced was by Kevin Myers in about July 2008 in The Irish Independent.

  66. Truth says:
    @Realist

    There is no such thing as foreign aid, only foreign loans.

  67. Truth says:
    @Anonym

    I live in the Middle East. If I could do the most justice to my 401k moving to Detroit for a year or two, I’d be there.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  68. RW says:
    @Vendetta

    I couldn’t find anything. But in fact I should have written mass death instead of genocide. For example, after the black death in Europe The Renaissance occurred. There’s a third example that will come to me later.

    • Replies: @Vendetta
  69. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Enrique Cardova

    You write so much crap.
    Pure unadulterated crap and lies.
    I want to call you out on a point by point basis, but I simply haven’t got the time and energy to deal with you.

  70. Patriot says:
    @Enrique Cardova

    Clearly you have never been here nor do you have any idea what you are talking about. Not even worthy of any further discussion. Thank you for your non-contribution

  71. Kat Grey says:
    @Anonym

    The western people’s natural instinct of self-preservation and defending one’s own tribe against hostile invaders has been paralyzed by the rampant and all-pervasive liberals; modern-day Witchfinders General, vigorously hunting down ordinary working-class white people whom they term “racists”. Parents are fearful of losing custody of their children, workers their jobs..we are living under dark, dark Orwellian skies.

    • Replies: @Enrique Cardova
  72. Kat Grey says:
    @Corvinus

    And before the big bad white ass European set foot in Africa?

  73. @Enrique Cardova

    If things are so fantastic, why have so many whites left?

    From an Australasian perspective, this reminds me of the neo-liberal arguments in the 1990s, saying Australia would be better off if it followed the free market policies of New Zealand. Yet New Zealanders (especially troublesome Maoris) were flooding into Australia to find jobs in supposedly backward, over-regulated Australia.

    • Replies: @Enrique Cardova
  74. KA says:
    @RW

    “Critics respond that those gaudy numbers spring mostly from the sale of oil and gas reserves or valuable metals and minerals, and that the gains have been divvied up between the offshore accounts of the continent’s plutocrats and foreign conglomerates”

    Then “Rwanda is heavily dependent on foreign assistance, which got slashed after a United Nations report accused the country of fostering a recent rebellion in neighboring Democratic Republic of Congo, squeezing the budget. The World Bank warned last year that the aid shock “clouds the economic outlook for Rwanda
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/24/world/africa/rwanda-reaches-for-new-economic-model.html?_r=0”

    But I wont give up on Rwanda. It just doenst need foreign inervention and doesnt need strong corrupt man . Its IQ is as good as mine and rest of the Europeans or Chinese or Japanese .

    IQ is the new fetish for the solace or tickling for the racist’s souls or ….

  75. Vendetta says:
    @RW

    I’m familiar with the Black Death example. This does tend to happen in the wake of devastating wars as well (lot of countries came back hard after WWII), but I don’t think it’s a hard and fast rule – Paraguay, for example, lost somewhere between 25% and 70% of its population in the Triple Alliance War of 1864-1870 (ended up with something like a 4:1 female-to-male ratio), and it remained stunted and stagnant for decades afterwards.

  76. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    @corvinus

    Its kinda funny that the more an african country was jackbooted the more developed it is. No body jackbooted liberia and yet its not exactly a paragon of success is it? How about ethiopia save a few yrs taken by the italians? yeah pure jackbooted. How about the simple explanation is africans tend to jackboot each other

  77. Vendetta says:
    @KA

    Bunch of broken links but I recognize the titles. Have read all these pieces before. Kagame tolerates no political opposition. That’s not really news to anyone, nor does it invalidate his achievements in governing the country. Look deeper and you’ll find a Belgian and French clique tightly linked with Hutu exiles who are the main propagators of anti-Kagame messages. Look deeper and you’ll find most of the opposition parties Kagame suppresses are Hutu identitarian groups.

  78. Vendetta says:

    Also interesting to note is that foreign aid has declined from nearly 100% of Rwanda’s government budget to under 40% under Kagame’s tenure.

  79. Vendetta says:
    @KA

    EAST AFRICA BRIBERY INDEX

    Burundi – prevalence 36.7%
    Uganda – prevalence 33%
    Kenya – prevalence 31.9%
    Tanzania – prevalence 28.6%
    Rwanda – prevalence 6.6%.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-10726324

  80. MarkinLA says:
    @Corvinus

    There is nothing stopping the African nations from having a pan-African conference and redrawing all the national lines along tribal boundaries to avoid inter-tribal conflicts. There is nothing stopping those African nations from removing all traces of the evil white occupation and going back to those happy days when sub-Saharan Africans lived in mud huts and danced all day long.

    • Replies: @colm
  81. Art Deco says: • Website
    @Rocky

    If life is better now, why leave?

    What share are actually leaving, given the population stock?

  82. @unpc downunder

    If things are so fantastic, why have so many whites left?

    Well I acknowledge above that whites have suffered some losses. Naturally some would leave once the apartheid system that coddled them was dismantled, just as British loyalists pulled out of the United States and went to Canada or back to Britain once the American colonists had won the Revolutionary War. It happens a lot whenever new governments take over. See European history for numerous examples.

    But part of those losses as I say above were not merely political- but ordinary supply and demand- as the free market adjusted itself from the apartheid system that artificially rigged markets in favor of whites. White employers found that they no longer had to pay over-inflated wages to white workers or carry bloated payrolls to maintain “reserved” white jobs. Those better positioned whites that did not rely so much on artificial apartheid shelters, are comfortably positioned overall, and the bulk of the productive land, as well as most industries, are still in the hands of whites on top of that.

    In addition part of Mandela’s deal and later arrangements involved cutbacks in the public sector, a sector the white Afrikaners were disproportionately reliant on, and fed profitably from. The black takeover was of a REDUCED, rolled back public sector, and in fact, this is one of the issues that threaten the ruling regime- the perceived dismal state of spending on healthcare, schooling and other public services. In fact the bitter 2010 strike is SA revolved around the very issue of the ANC’s perceived stinginess towards public services. Public sector expenditure, as a whole, actually DECLINED after GEAR in 1996 and only reached pre-1996 levels again in 2006. Meanwhile whites are doing well in these areas with private schools, pension plans, and through control of local municipalities, local public services to their benefit. Liberalized exchange controls enacted by the black ANC regime allows whites to easily move money out of SOuth Africa if needed, as an added bonus.

    In short, breathless claims about “a Holocaust” cuz some white people no longer get their sheltered sinecures, or guaranteed upper level jobs are so much overblown hysteria and propaganda.

    ================================================================

    From an Australasian perspective, this reminds me of the neo-liberal arguments in the 1990s, saying Australia would be better off if it followed the free market policies of New Zealand. Yet New Zealanders (especially troublesome Maoris) were flooding into Australia to find jobs in supposedly backward, over-regulated Australia.

    As for New Zealanders, they are going to Australia because New Zealand is not generating enough jobs due to the financial crisis and the aftershocks and fallout since 2008. Has nothing to do with Maoris, although again, the propagandists as usual, lacking the basic intellectual depth to analyze the actual issues, reach for the simplistic, one-dimensional answers to all problems. Less than 13% of the Kiwi arrivals to Australia are Maori, or other naturalized Pacific Islander. So why are the other 87% of WHITE people leaving New Zealand?

    As for neo-liberal so called “free market policies”, you have a point, and ironically, it is the black ANC regime in South Africa that has pursued neo-liberal policies that have shafted the black poor. Says one credible news analysis:

    “Since 1994, the ANC has largely abandoned the working class and urban and rural poor, relying on their liberation credits to sew up their vote whilst implementing neoliberal policies such as the privatisation and commercialisation of public services, the lifting of exchange controls and encouraging South Africa’s biggest corporations to go offshore and become world players.”
    http://sacsis.org.za/site/article/544.1

  83. @Kat Grey

    Not really. As the Economist article referenced above shows most of the refugees are not the hysterically claimed “waves of blacks from sub-Saharan Africa” but using HBDs own definitions, “Caucasoids” from the “Middle East.” Assorted propagandists have been ginning up the “black menace” narrative to hide this fact. Most of the people migrating to North Africa and thence to Europe are fleeing war and conflict. The UN High Commission for Refugees records that among the millions of would-be migrants the preponderant nationalities are Syrian, Iraqi and Afghani. Among the minority African migrants, many too have come from countries torn apart by violence.

    AND LIBERAL Europe has not been rushing to welcome them. The magazine also notes – Quote: “The obvious reason for the recent increase in deaths is that less is being done to avert them.” This “benign neglect” approach suggests that Europeans are in no hurry to see more refugees and in fact have been discouraging their arrival, by hoping that sea voyages in rickety, unsafe boats whittle down the numbers that make it. Ginned up propaganda about how “the liberals” have “thrown open European borders” to “Sub-Saharan blacks” is bogus. The situation is in many cases the exact opposite. Aside from the fact that said refugees are a tiny fraction compared to total EU numbers, LIBERAL Europe has actually been discouraging said migrants, by letting the sea hazards slash their numbers.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    , @Kat Grey
  84. @ solontoCroesusn

    “Depends on who we is.
    it may turn out that “love your enemy” is the ultimate — one might even say most intelligent — survival strategy.”
    what do you mean by that?

  85. Corvinus says:

    “And before the big bad white ass European set foot in Africa?”

    Africans had their own set of unique problems while advancing their own civilization. They certainly didn’t need whitey’s “help”—unless it was ASKED, of course.

    “The western people’s natural instinct of self-preservation and defending one’s own tribe against hostile invaders has been paralyzed by the rampant and all-pervasive liberals”

    African and Latin America’s natural instinct of self-preservation and defending one’s own tribe against hostile invaders was destroyed by the rampant and all-pervasive European. Two can play the rhetoric game, Kat Grey. And do you NOT see the irony here???

    “modern-day Witchfinders General, vigorously hunting down ordinary working-class white people whom they term “racists”.

    Please define “ordinary working-class white people”. What metrics are involved?

    “Parents are fearful of losing custody of their children…”

    Who is trying to take the kids away? The gummint? Meth-heads? Aliens?

    “we are living under dark, dark Orwellian skies.”

    Please cite evidence of this impending dooms-day scenario.

    
“How about ethiopia save a few yrs taken by the italians? yeah pure jackbooted.”

    You’re not really bright. You just contradicted yourself.

    “There is nothing stopping those African nations from removing all traces of the evil white occupation and going back to those happy days when sub-Saharan Africans lived in mud huts and danced all day long.”

    

First, Africans are not in unison or actively and aggressively engaging in overt or covert efforts to “remove all traces of the evil white”. Second, those African nations are still enduring political and social upheavals as a result of being colonized.

    “There is nothing stopping the African nations from having a pan-African conference and redrawing all the national lines along tribal boundaries to avoid inter-tribal conflicts.”

    And displace millions of people in the process, and renew territorial fights over land and resources. Right, your solution surely is logical.

    “and going back to those happy days when sub-Saharan Africans lived in mud huts and danced all day long.”

    What’s inherently wrong with “mud huts and dancing”? It’s a sign of civilization. May not be YOUR cup of tea, but so what?

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    , @MarkinLA
    , @Hibernian
  86. Anonym says:
    @Enrique Cardova

    Slash. You mean, 99% make it through instead of 100%?

    • Replies: @Enrique Cardova
  87. @Anonym

    Why not? Most are the much touted “Caucasoids” from the Middle East. They should fit right in, in Europe. Yes yes I know, Jews too are from the Middle East. But’s let’s move on:

    Not only are most of the refugees to Europe the touted “Caucasoids,” most asylum applications are from the same “Caucasoids” – namely from the Russian Federation, Syrians and Afghans. The 2014-15 UNHCR UN agency for refugees notes that:

    “the crisis in the Syrian Arab Republic (Syria), in particular, has increased demand for asylum throughout the region. Germany and Sweden were the most affected, with the two countries receiving more than 50 per cent of Syrian applications. Germany was the recipient of the largest number of asylum applications overall in the region in 2013, followed by France and Sweden. While Syrians now form the second-largest group of applicants, the biggest and still increasing group comprises people from the Russian Federation. Afghans and Serbian asylum-seekers are the third- and fourth-largest groups, respectively. Also among those seeking asylum each year are stateless people. There are currently an estimated 436,000 stateless people in the region..”
    –UNHCR GLobal Trends 2014 and UNCHR 2013 Facts and Figures

    And then there are those Caucasoid Afghans- gee whatever happened to the American Operation “Enduring Freedom” in Afghanistan?:
    “In 2013, the country hosting the largest number of refugees remained Pakistan, with 1.6 million refugees. Afghanistan retained the position as the biggest source country, a position it has held for 33 years however, with 2.47 million refugees, Syria is now a close second. On average, one out of every four refugees worldwide is Afghan, with 95% located in Pakistan or Iran.”

    Jump to high Caucasoid numbers from Syria and Columbia:
    “Escalating conflict in the Syrian Arab Republic displaced an estimated 4.5 million persons in 2013, bringing the total number of IDPs in the country to 6.5 million by year end. With close to 5.4 million internally displaced persons registered by the Government by the end of 2013, Colombia too continued to face a large displacement situation.”

    Let’s look at England. The main countries of asylum seekers are again, the touted “Caucasoids,” and the first African country in the list is virtually matched neck and neck by Caucasoid Albania in the number of asylum seekers. Of the top ten countries, only 2 are African. Per UNHCR data:

    Pakistan (3,343), Iran (2,417), Sri Lanka (1,808), Syria (1,669), Eritrea (1,377), Albania (1,326), Bangladesh (1,123), Afghanistan (1,040), India (965), Nigeria (915)”
    –UNHCR 2014- “The UK and Asylum”

    And LIBERAL Europe has been doing quite well in turning back non-Caucasoids. For instance, Italy iso ne of the frontline states, and was able to reduce the number of illegal border crossings between the West African coast and the Canary Islands from almost 32,000 in 2006, to only 250 in 2013.

    In short, in terms of refugees, asylum seekers, and even people caught at key sea borders, Europe has hardly seen massive numbers of “sub Saharan blacks” reputedly “swamping” the white homeland- hysterical “HBD” propaganda to the contrary.

  88. MarkinLA says:
    @Corvinus

    First, Africans are not in unison or actively and aggressively engaging in overt or covert efforts to “remove all traces of the evil white”.

    No through their incompetence they are allowing the country to return to the bush as colonial buildings collapse, railroads become unusable, and the infrastructure returns to its natural state (iron pipes to a pile of rust).

    Blaming colonialism is getting so old and tired, you need new material.

    • Replies: @Kat Grey
  89. MarkinLA says:
    @Corvinus

    And displace millions of people in the process, and renew territorial fights over land and resources. Right, your solution surely is logical.

    What a stupid comment. The claim from people like you is that the current boundaries are artificial and don’t represent the facts on the ground and result in tribal warfare due to minorities being lorded over by a majority ruling tribe.

  90. Sam figured out that:
    They are also taking bribes from Jewish criminals who want to destroy the goyim. The Judaists believe multi-culturalism is good, because with whites busy getting raped and murdered by blacks, they are less likely to criticize the Judaists and not notice Jewish crimes and child rapes as much. Also, the goyim are likely to become more softened and develop so much “tolerance” by being exposed to black crime, they will “tolerate” Jewish crimes more easily so Judaists can continue to oppress and exploit the goyim more easily. So they bribe politicians to let more aliens in and cover up their crime using bogus terms such as “asylum” and “better life”, etc.

    Wow. So white people or white goyim are being “prepped” to be more tolerant of black crime, so in turn they would turn a blind eye to the Jewish plotters? Mmmmm, someone shoulda told that to all those “tolerant” white police cracking da heads, nay shooting the culluds like no tomorrow, even as they work wonders with “broken windows” in the cullud neighborhoods. The police haven’t gotten the protocol, er, memo, apparently. But if your theory is correct, the law enforcement focus is precisely that desired by the sneaky Jews. Who has time to police- oh say- a few billions or trillions stolen by the bankers and financial manipulators, when high drama is taking place with petty criminals on the street, and all on Youtube? What better diversionary material? Divert attention to the streets, while high crime takes place in the suites, aye? But if your notion is correct, it’s right wingers also who are being ‘played’ and manipulated.

    So “da Jewz” are behind the boatloads of blacks as well? Gee, you woulda thunk the Zionists would have chosen a more potent threat- being that most of the refugees are NOT “sub-Saharan blacks.” And why would the sneaky Zionists choose the culluds when they provide such an easy source of mobilization for assorted racists and anti-Semites? Could the Zionists be slipping?

    Maybe not under your theory. When huge numbers of white Balkanite refugees in the 1990s were seen in EUrope, could it have been a “Jew conspiracy” also? And the biggest group of asylum seekers in Europe are white Eastern Europeans, well ahead of Caucasoid Syrians, Afghans and Serbs, who are well ahead of the culluds. What we got here- another Jew plot as well? Have “HBDers” been ‘played’ into thundering against “the culluds” while touted “Caucasoids” flood the beaches? That could be it!

    Da Jewz are ‘playing’ or manipulating white conservatives once again- getting them to focus on and bash the cullud scapegoats, while behind the hysteria, “Caucasoids” of “inferior stock” that can more easily blend into Europe, build up their numbers. Sweet! Its a classic diversionary false choice- One one hand cue the dreaded sub-Saharan culluds. On the other, “mo betta” Caucasoids. Naturally Europe will prefer a whiter shade of pale. In which case the flood of paler or whiter Serbians, Russians, Albanians, Syrians and Afghans keep moving in. Whew! whiteness is saved once agin! All praise to the Zionists for helping the volk to make the white, er right, “choice.”

  91. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    @ corvinus

    Ethiopia was occupied by italy for a whopping five yrs.. out of its entire history and over seventy yrs ago ..yet still one of the poorest countries per capita even worse then just about every other african countries colonize longer or your term jackbooted ..give it up… Your explanations and logic dont fly in the face of facts..and u havent even addressed liberia which was never jackbooted. How about haiti? 200 yrs of freedom and nothing ..now lets go to east asia…
    Japan was nuked twice firebombed to ashes ..suffered worse then just about any african country and was even occupied by the big bad white boogeyman..yet doing fine…south korea obliterated by korean war..controlled by japan almost half century before.. doing just fine… vietnam controlled by the french for 100yrs suffered a massive 20 yr civil war afterwards..yet doing better then non jackbooted liberia..200yr independent haiti and scores of other african countries who werent colonized nearly as long.. somehow being jack booted for 50-100yrs didnt stop vietnam and south korea from advancing. But of course they werent behind the eight ball like the africans..yeah the africans had it so much harder. The facts contradict you.
    . Yeah not too bright logics and reasoning are yah ..

  92. Kat Grey says:
    @Enrique Cardova

    Then I must be hallucinating when I see the dinghies arriving daily on our shores disgorging men who are clearly sub-Saharan, helped by the Italian coastguard, finally to be housed, fed and given pin money courtesy of taxpayers like me. I just happen to live in eastern Sicily Enrique, so stop pissing up my leg and telling me it’s raining.

    • Replies: @Enrique Cardova
  93. Kat Grey says:
    @MarkinLA

    And the more this continent reverts to its natural bush state due to infrastructure collapse (and by that I mean no more functioning white man hospitals, universities and roads) , more of its men will desert their familes and seek European shores for a “better life”!

  94. Corvinus says:

    “What a stupid comment. The claim from people like you is that the current boundaries are artificial and don’t represent the facts on the ground and result in tribal warfare due to minorities being lorded over by a majority ruling tribe.”

    The boundaries were created by European powers in the 1884-1885 Berlin Conference, which displaced tens of millions of people and forced tribal groups to be relocated. These tribal groups now consider their new regions their home, so that is why your proposal lacks any merit or consideration.

    “u havent even addressed liberia which was never jackbooted. How about haiti? 200 yrs of freedom and nothing”

    You are correct, I did not address these two outliers. The focus is the continent of Africa–for 500 years, it has endured repeated political, economic, and social upheaval.

    “somehow being jack booted for 50-100yrs didnt stop vietnam and south korea from advancing. ”
    Vietnam is considered a third world country. They have observably NOT advanced compared to South Korea, which compared to Africa has been stable.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    , @Hibernian
  95. Corvinus says:

    “And the more this continent reverts to its natural bush state…”

    Africa met the criteria for civilization. They assuredly did not “need” the white man’s technology unless they ASKED for it. Your ignorance astounds me.

    • Replies: @Kat Grey
    , @Vendetta
  96. Kat Grey says:
    @Corvinus

    Asked? Begged is more likely. Without the white man’s technology they wouldn’t have the billions of people now populating Africa. I’m not surprised at Corvinus’s ingenuity (note I did not say ignorance as I’m in polite mode-for the time being, mind) seeing as he’s likely typing from the security of some white,middle-class North American community far from the migrating hordes, smugly assured of the righteous of his liberal opinions by the Che posters on the wall.

  97. MarkinLA says:
    @Corvinus

    The boundaries were created by European powers in the 1884-1885 Berlin Conference, which displaced tens of millions of people and forced tribal groups to be relocated. These tribal groups now consider their new regions their home, so that is why your proposal lacks any merit or consideration.

    You redraw the boundaries not based on what happened 200 years ago but what the tribes consider their land now – the so-called source of all the inter-tribal conflict according to you blame it all on the white man types. I would have thought even you would have understood that.

  98. Vendetta says:
    @Corvinus

    They did ask for it. Menelik II conceded Eritrea by treaty to Ethiopia in 1889 in exchange for Italian recognition of Ethiopia’s sovereignty – and for a supply of Italian arms to Ethiopia. The Italians in typical fashion went back on their deal and invaded a few years later, but ended up being routed by an Ethiopian army that fielded 100,000 rifles and 50 artillery pieces – most of them supplied by the Russians.

    What do you think the Europeans used to pay the West African kingdoms that sold them slaves? Guns, ammunition, and other factory-made goods the Africans couldn’t produce for themselves.

    Nor did they ever produce their own antibiotics and vaccines until they were introduced to the continent by Europeans.

    Your attitude is irrational and your claims are simply false. There are great individuals (like the aforementioned Menelik II) to be found in Africa’s history and certain cultures that are worthy of respect (if only in a lot of cases for their bravery and military prowess) – but African civilizations were primitive – there’s no honest way to refute that. Doesn’t make them subhuman, just means they were primitive.

    If Africa had spent the last thousand years as an island with no outside contact, it may well have ended up with some more sensible borders – but technologically it wouldn’t be anywhere near where it is today.

  99. @Kat Grey

    No one disputes that Italy has had to take on refugees, or rescue their sinking boats. And no one disputes that some of these refugees were black Africans. That was never at issue. At issue is the bogus narrative that most of this flood of refugees are “sub-Saharan blacks.” That is completely inaccurate. They are primarily “Caucasoids” from the “Middle East”- Syria, Afghanistan etc. And they are not only coming by sea. Millions of those Caucasoids displaced by the Syrian fighting have entered Turkey, and are attempting to surge from there further into Europe.

    And I doubt you even live in Italy, for if you did, you would know that the Italian navy operating in cooperation with the Frontex consortium of other European nations (France, Germany, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, United Kingdom) has had good success in limiting the flow from sub-Saharan Africa as credible reports show. The Italian navy has had to do some heavy lifting in the Operation Hera migrant control missions, but Frontex was able to reduce the number of illegal border crossings between the West African coast and the Canary Islands from almost 32,000 in 2006 to only 250 in 2013.

    In addition Italy ran its own 2009-“Push back” campaign against sub-Saharan refugees from the Libyan fighting- fighting intensified by NATO’s own bombing campaign that INCREASED the flood. These refugees had endured a wave of attacks from Arabist Libyan elements no longer held in check by Khadaffi, prompting their departure from that country. Italy went along with that bombing campaign in Libya. Aside from its own warplanes striking targets, it even deployed its carrier Giuseppe Garibaldi, in support along with aerial tankers and other assets. Italy deported numerous refugees from the war torn country during the push back campaign.

    So again, claims of this massive flood of “sub-Saharan blacks” being ushered into Europe are dubious. Europe has been pushing them back vigorously for years, and their numbers pale alongside supposedly “mo betta” Caucasoids from the Middle East. Its Europe’s fellow Caucasoids that are “swamping” it at the moment. And as far as asylum applications for Europe- again, its Europe’s fellow Caucasoids leading the pack- from Russia, Serbia and other parts of Eastern Europe- followed by the Middle East.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  100. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    @corvinus

    “Vietnam is considered a third world country. They have observably NOT advanced compared to South Korea, which compared to Africa has been stable.”

    Yes everyone is well aware vietnam is a third world country . nobody said it was an “advanced” country ..but its a country thats advancing ..hopefully you can differentiate between the two. With that said even as poor as it is.. they have still manage to do better in most metrics of what we call human development then vs most sub sahara african countries. It has suffered just as much and encounter as much obstacles as those african countries colonize. But yet it still manages to do better. its no south korea but then again its no sub sahara africa either. Its nowhere as dysfunctional. We’re not talking tiny population here either its got almost 100 million people. So even when compared to a bottom tier east/southeast asian country its still doing better then its african counterparts.

    “You are correct, I did not address these two outliers. The focus is the continent of Africa–for 500 years, it has endured repeated political, economic, and social upheaval.”

    But indeed you must address it because those countries are the examples of what happens even without your so called colonialism. They are outliers? just a simple excuse to avoid contradicting your theory. In fact if anything they shouldve been the shining example of what africans can do given no interference from the white man. Thats what your implying wouldve happen without the yoke of colonialism. Instead no difference. it didnt matter that america poured in countless money to help them , they failed miserably anyhow .

    As for africa as a whole why dont you enlighten us with why East/Southeast asia which has gone through the same expreince as africa if not worse manage to still do better? All the excuses you list going back 500 yrs can easily be done for this region of the world too. They also suffered through WW2 which was a greater disaster then anything africa has seen. In the same time frame as when most african countries got independence they have on the whole done way better. But why is that. If we follow your logic east asia should be just as backwards right now. Instead It has manage to do better and with a bigger population. Sorry but your excuse of colonize just isnt valid. Maybe the first 20-25 yrs of independence. But we are now going on 50 for most african countries. which is 2 generations. how much time is needed ? 50?100? 200? Haiti is 200 u still blaming whites for that? Everywhere africans are found in large groups somehow they are always at the bottom of human development. nobody’s oppressed them in canada australia or europe..no legacy of slavery but yet same results and pathologies. whole cities in america like detroit have been handed over to a black majority yet they fail miserably. whole countries like zimbabwe and south africa have been handed over. Zimbabwe was a well functioning country but now is already a basket case and s. africa is trending the same direction. If it was only in africa thats fine but the whole world? Across space and time same results. We are left with only one conclusion.. its the africans themselves who are to blame for there own woes. Not anybody else.

  101. Hibernian says:
    @Corvinus

    “‘u havent even addressed liberia which was never jackbooted. How about haiti? 200 yrs of freedom and nothing’

    You are correct, I did not address these two outliers. The focus is the continent of Africa–for 500 years, it has endured repeated political, economic, and social upheaval.”

    Haiti isn’t in Africa. Liberia is. Liberia, colonized by American blacks (Americo-Liberians) with American white sponsorship, has had problems similar to the British, French, Belgian, Portuguese, and German colonized parts of Africa, as has present Ethiopia (old Ethiopia minus present Eritrea), which was once called Abyssinia, colonized by Italy for about 10 years in the mid ’30s to mid ’40s.

    It’s easy to win an argument when you get to (mis)characterize your opponents’ position.

  102. Hibernian says:
    @Enrique Cardova

    “supposedly ‘mo betta’ Caucasoids”

    Insinuating that your opponents are racist is one of the chief cheap tricks of the Left.

    • Replies: @Enrique Cardova
    , @Kat Grey
  103. Hibernian says:
    @Corvinus

    ”How about ethiopia save a few yrs taken by the italians? yeah pure jackbooted.’

    You’re not really bright. You just contradicted yourself.”

    He’s not contradicting himself. He’s arguing that Ethiopia’s experience with Italian colonialism was de minimus because it was so short compared to centuries, indeed millenia, of Ethiopian history.

  104. Hibernian says:
    @Truth

    Do you think maybe the issues discussed here have a little something to do with why your 401K might not do so well in Detroit?

    • Replies: @Truth
  105. Corvinus says:

    “Begged is more likely.”

    Please offer a citation to specifically back up your claim.

    “Without the white man’s technology they wouldn’t have the billions of people now populating Africa”

    Sub-Saharan Africa prior to white infestation was well on its way to those numbers WITHOUT the “benefits” of white technology.

    “some white,middle-class North American community far from the migrating horde…”

    I’ll have to tell my black neighbors, my Asian neighbors, and my Musllm neighbors they are not welcome anymore.

    “You redraw the boundaries not based on what happened 200 years ago but what the tribes consider their land now…”

    The land they consider their own now are their homelands courtesy of Europeans. Those traditional boundaries generally mean little to current Africans.

    “source of all the inter-tribal conflict according to you blame it all on the white man types.”

    It is observably true that the white man, compliments of colonialism, destroyed cultures, by taking distinct advantage of this inter-tribal conflict. Are you denying this fact?

    “Menelik II conceded Eritrea by treaty to Ethiopia in 1889 in exchange for Italian recognition of Ethiopia’s sovereignty – and for a supply of Italian arms to Ethiopia.”

    Sub-saharan Africa, my friend. Try to keep up with the discussion.

    “but African civilizations were primitive – there’s no honest way to refute that.”

    Ah, yes, primitive. No more primitive than whites basking in their slave glory. It’s relative.
    Besides, did Africans really want to be told their ways of life were “inferior”, which justified their enslavement?

    “they have still manage to do better in most metrics of what we call human development then vs most sub sahara african countries.”

    And what are those metrics?

    “But we are now going on 50 for most african countries. which is 2 generations. how much time
    is needed…”

    Based on how civilizations like Carthage and the Romans, about 100 to 200 years before significant progress is made. You don’t get it, Africa was DECIMATED by Europeans.

    “its the africans themselves who are to blame for there own woes.”

    Undoubtedly, they are culpable. But the culprit behind their difficulties is observably Europeans.

    

You guys want to play the race baiting game, let’s play. OR, we can all start realizing that racism has been co-opted by conservative and liberal pundits equally for their own purposes.

    • Replies: @Vendetta
  106. Truth says:
    @Hibernian

    Of course, but your understanding in discussing them is on, I’d say, a 5th grade level.

  107. @Hibernian

    ^^Never said they are racist but that some HBD arguments (see above- characterizing the refugee crisis as one of “sub Saharan blacks” swamping Europe are bogus. But since you mention it, yes there are a number of racist arguments above, and the proponents make no bones about their racism or anti-Semitism. Did you know for example that the evil Jews actually promote black crime? Poster “Sam” is absolutely certain. And gosh durn it, those dastardly Jewz are bribing good white people at the border so they can accelerate the flood of Mexican illegals. Vill zee Zionist onslaught never be stopped? And now that you mention it also, promoting, and excusing such racist arguments is one of the cheap tricks of the right.

    ——————————————-
    Eriik Sieven says:
    Today of course we know that there actually ARE significant genetical differences between the two groups.

    Actually you don’t know what you are talking about. Tutsi and Hutu are not identical clones, just as Swedes and Italians are not identical, but the two peoples are closely related as shown by credible genetic studies. Quote:

    “To the west, Benin, Bamileke, and southern Cameroon are represented predominantly by chromosomes carrying the E3a-M2 mutation, a signature of the recent expansion of Bantu populations (Passarino et al. 1998; Scozzari et al. 1999; Underhill et al. 2001b; Cruciani et al. 2002). .. the E3a-M2 subclade is prevalent in our East African groups (Tutsi, Hutu, Kenya, and Tanzania) ..”
    (– Luis, et al. (2004) The Levant versus the Horn. Am J Hum Genet. 2004; 74(3): 532–544.)

    But let’s take you up on your claim. What credible sources can you specifically cite in support that Hutu and Tutsi differ significantly genetically? And how do you define what is “significant” or not? DO you have any specific sources, or a clear definition of ‘significance’ or is yours yet another empty claim, made with the usual messainc “HBD” certainty?

    ================================

    Anybody with open eyes could have seen that there have to be genetic differences given that the people just look so different, one group sturdy and small, one group tall and lanky.

    So what if they “look different”? Using your dubious “eyeball anthropology” approach, tall blond Swedes and short southern Italians like Sicilians are not much related, and have significant genetic differences. Again, define what “significant” is supposed to mean. Maybe your brand of anthropology goes back to long debunked “Nordic race” and “Mediterranean race” lore..

    • Replies: @Is Normal
  108. Jim says:
    Sub-Saharan Africans have lagged behind Eurasian populations since the Mousterian 50,000 years ago and more recently they have also lagged well behind New World civilizations.

    ^^Doubles up on floor in laughter at HBD “science.” Uh, you might want to actually READ a credible anthropology or palentology textbook. The Mousterian is an ancient Middle Stone Age method of making stone tools, associated primarily with the Neanderthals in Europe as credible scholars show And uh, Jim, you seem not to be aware that Neanderthals were supplanted by anatomically modern humans that originated in Africa, and who indeed migrated to Europe. So how could the Africans- who were modern humans – “lag behind” the now extinct Neanderthal hominids of Europe? You might want to check your “logic” there, Jim. :))

  109. Wyrd says:

    And uh, Jim, you seem not to be aware that Neanderthals were supplanted by anatomically modern humans that originated in Africa, and who indeed migrated to Europe.

    Much like blacks supplanting whites in certain US cities. How droll.

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  110. Vendetta says:
    @Corvinus

    “Benefits” of white technology.

    You blithering imbecile.

    Vaccines. Antibiotics. Motor vehicles. Electricity. Firearms. Pesticides. Water purification. Mechanized farm equipment. Steel tools. Refrigeration. Air conditioning. Aircraft. Computers. Cell phones.

    They invented none of this but flintlocks on their own. You tell me in what way none of this is useful to them.

    Ethiopia is grouped with the sub-Saharan countries. You get caught up with basic geography before you decide to lecture on a continent.

  111. Corvinus says:

    “Ethiopia is grouped with the sub-Saharan countries. You get caught up with basic geography before you decide to lecture on a continent.”

    I have to lecture for the race baiters on a continent for the dolts who insist that Europeans, with 500 years of colonization, are not primarily responsible for the current mess in Africa.

    “They invented none of this but flintlocks on their own. You tell me in what way none of this is useful to them.”

    It’s not a matter of what is useful to Africans, which I wasn’t arguing to the contrary, it is a question of whether Africans WANTED European interference in their internal affairs, separate from trade and commerce, in the first place. One could even argue that certain technology is actually detrimental to human progress. Who says one needs technology to be “civilized” or “happy”?

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  112. @Wyrd

    Yes I suppose you could make that analogy, and applying it would show that the white Neanderthals, who have passed on some genetic material to today’s Europeans per some studies, were indeed supplanted by anatomically modern humans from Africa. Some white HBD writers such as Michael Bradley have suggested that this cold climate Neanderthal link selected for today’s white lineages predisposed to mass murder and violence on a massive scale, as in the Holocaust for example.

  113. Hans Olo says:
    @Art

    “The Malthusians have always in the long run been proven wrong.”

    Within the last 200 years, yes. Prior to that, for thousands of years, no. Malthus was accurately describing what happened with pre-industrial societies.

    Is the present non-Malthusian trend permanent, or will it eventually run up against technological, ecological, or other limits?

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  114. @Yevardian

    There’s nothing inherently inferior about African genetics.

    Intelligence matters, and the intelligence distribution among Africans is objectively lower than that of non-Africans. It’s no simple matter to determine the precise implications of intelligence for development, but to pretend it’s not a factor is irresponsible.

  115. @Art Deco

    Not sure the lifeboat metaphor applies properly. African total fertility rates have been declining for 30-odd years, albeit at a modest pace.

    Europe is the lifeboat, that’s how it applies. Africa could have sub-replacement fertility and it wouldn’t alter this equation. It’s not rocket science, but I suppose it’s easy to miss when you’re anti-white.

  116. @Enrique Cardova

    The world would be a far better place with more whites and fewer blacks. I don’t think it’s possible to honestly argue the contrary. How to achieve this effect without resorting to coercive or genocidal methods is one of the most important unasked questions of our age.

  117. @Corvinus

    I have to lecture for the race baiters on a continent for the dolts who insist that Europeans, with 500 years of colonization, are not primarily responsible for the current mess in Africa.

    It’s already been pointed out to you that some of the most heavily colonized parts of Africa are today doing the best, while the least colonized are doing among the worst. The obvious conclusion is that colonization is no explanation for the state of Africa.

  118. @Hans Olo

    Hans Olo says:
    Within the last 200 years, yes. Prior to that, for thousands of years, no. Malthus was accurately describing what happened with pre-industrial societies.

    Not necessarily. Malthus is questionable long BEFORE 200 years for pre-industrial societies. Ancient societies proved him wrong time and time again- as they expanded crop production to maintain population at sustainable levels. In Africa’s ancient Nile Valley crop production expanded as population increased by adopting more intensive, sophisticated methods of irrigation- an immense amount of hard labor was needed to maintain the network of canals, sluices, dikes, spillways and other works in the system. Furthermore the ancient Nile Valley inhabitants did not need to use the cultural levels in action elsewhere as much to quell population growth, like infanticide. In fact after the Greco-Roman conquest the Egyptians were shocked at the European practice of killing children, and continually rescued infants discarded by supposedly more moral Greek and Roman “role models.” (Milner 2000, Hardness of Heart /Hardness of Life: the stain of infanticide)

    Malthus’ claimed formulas are simply unworkable- in fact even he himself admitted that in later years. Parts of Europe and Asia likewise escaped the so-called “Malthusian trap” long before Malthus showed up. Malthus was right in that cultural levers can hold down population, but these levers were also in operation long before Malthus appeared, questioning his notions of “unsustainability.” Europe and Asia for example have the largest historical prevalence of infanticide, much more than Africa, which as the lowest incidence (Milner 2000). Killing infants, or suppressing their numbers by abandonment has worked well in restraining population increases in Europe and Asia. The hundreds of thousands of abandoned children roaming the streets of white Europe as late as the 19th century is testimony to this, but more direct killing controls for children have long been in place in Europe.

    In Caucasoid Greece, the exposure of unwanted newborns was not uncommon, especially among the noble Spartans, and in some areas every 10th child was killed as sacrifice in difficult economic times. In Caucasoid Rome, infanticide was also common credible studies show despite laws on the books supposedly preventing such. In ancient Sardinia, three thousand bones of young children, with evidence of sacrificial rituals, have been found. Among supposedly more virtuous Caucasoid stocks in Southwest Asia or the “Middle East”, child sacrifices of tens of thousands over the years to their various gods was routine.

    Among supposed Asiatic paragons the record is also substantial. Asian societies like China for example historically carried out massive amounts of sex selective infanticide. In Caucasoid India, female infanticide of newborn girls was systematic in many areas, including tossing children into the Ganges River as a sacrificial offering. Liquidation of females would definitely impact fertility. In Caucasoid Europe of the Middle Ages, one scholar (Langer 2000) notes that infanticide “was practiced on gigantic scale with absolute impunity, noticed by writers with most frigid indifference.”(Langer, William L. (1974). “Infanticide: a historical survey). All these “culling” operations were beneficial in holding down white and Asian populations. They continue today in the massive number of abortions.

    .
    Is the present non-Malthusian trend permanent, or will it eventually run up against technological, ecological, or other limits?

    It is an open question whether the present has a monopoly on any Malthusian trend. As shown above, Malthus is dubious on a number of counts. Many ancient African, European and Asian societies did manage their populations sustainably, whether by expanding production or via cultural levers like infanticide, or a combination. Malthus finally admitted 30 years after his initial theory that his numbers were shaky. As one scholar notes- he:

    “finally admitted that his mathematical and geometric series of increases in food and humans were not observable in any society. He ultimately acknowledged that his famous ‘power of number’ was only an image. an admission that only some demographers have since confirmed…. his theory and arguments have been refuted endlessly by empirical evidence indicating that any problem attributed to human numbers can just as easily have a different explanation, or that statistical correlation is ambiguous.” (Rao and Sexton, Malthus and Markets 4-7

  119. Sam says:
    Also, the goyim are likely to become more softened and develop so much “tolerance”
    Yes Jews are influential in the media, universities and many policy institutions but it does not at all follow that “the Jews are to blame” for goyim decline. How for example are they to blame in ultra white Sweden? Despite plentiful supply of birth control pills, the more advanced and reputedly mo virtuous white Nordics continue to kill the next white generation with impressive consistency:

    In Sweden, abortion rates jump despite plentiful supply of Plan B pill
    The Swedish Association of Midwives says the organization was surprised and saddened to see abortions rise from 18.4 per 1,000 women in 1997 to 20.9 per 1,000 women last year, United Press International reported.
    http://onenewsnow.com/pro-life/2013/06/26/in-sweden-abortion-rates-jump-despite-plentiful-supply-of-plan-b-pill#.VU41E5M-XqI

    ^This may indeed be European Malthusian “moral restraint”.. Some argue that the last line of salvation lies in Eastern Europe, but the reputed “saviors” are equally unimpressive “role models” of anything. The Soviet Union was posting rates of 180 per 1000 as early as the 1970s, the white Bulgarians 64 per 1,000, white Hungarians 83,5 per 1,000. As one study notes: “It seems that many Soviet women undergo five, ten or even more abortions during their childbearing years.” When one survey of 206 white Soviet women asked how many abortions they had – at least 60 percent had had at least one abortion.” Ten percent of them had at least 4- 8 abortions apiece. (The Soviet Union: Party and Society- By Peter J. Potichnyj- 1988) Now let’s look at another breakdown:

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    White abortion ratios per 100 age-15-19 pregnancies:
    Belarus – 47.5
    Bulgaria -40.4
    Advanced northern European Denmark- 62.6
    England and wales – 40.2
    Estonia – 49.7
    Super-duper northern European France- 51.2
    Super duper Finland- 52.9
    Hungary – 50.3
    Iceland – 51.1
    Super duper Nordic Norway – 59.2
    Russian Federation 56.1
    Slovenia – 49.2
    Super duper Nordic Sweden- 69.6
    —————————————–
    Source: Reproductive Health Behaviour of Young Europeans, Volume 1- 2003. Council of Europe

    ^^SO exactly how are the evil Jews to blame for the white behavior above?
    ——————————————————————————————————–

    .
    Think of this from the perspective of the Malthusian Trap. Europeans already tended to voluntarily keep their populations below Malthusian limits by practicing the moral restraint that the Rev. Malthus famously advised in 1798.” ..

    Actually that “moral restraint” included massive child infanticide and abandonment as scholars show.. But fast forward to the current era and the “restraint” is also unimpressive. Europe for example has “morally restrained” itself via more homosexuality, and a massive rate of abortion killing substantial numbers of the next white generation. “Delayed” marriage has certainly been achieved but this has led to such “moral” outcomes as more out of wedlock births- now 30% of all white births, and 50% of all white births depending on the educational level examined. The phenomenon of “gay” marriage- being pushed in white Sweden since the 1970s, is now a reality in all white countries and increasing. These is the reality of today’s white “moral leadership” in Malthusianism.

    Art Deco says:
    Not sure the lifeboat metaphor applies properly. African total fertility rates have been declining for 30-odd years, albeit at a modest pace.
    Indeed. The breathless claims of massive African population numbers are rather dubious. Fertility rates have been declining for the past 30 years. And the problem is not “boat people” but Europe’s continued failure to reproduce itself, and continued liquidation of hundreds of thousands of the next white generation through mass abortion. Pile on top of that the continued disparagement of traditional marriage and family through such things as “gay” marriage- and the LEAST of Europe’s problems is “boat people.”

    .
    Silvia says:
    The world would be a far better place with more whites and fewer blacks. I don’t think it’s possible to honestly argue the contrary. How to achieve this effect without resorting to coercive or genocidal methods is one of the most important unasked questions of our age.

    A Jew might well argue that the world would be a far better place with fewer white northern Europeans. I mean what with 6 million Jews murdered, another 10 million or so Slavs and other “lesser stocks”. If the version to the east is considered, add the tens of millions during white Joe Stalin’s mass murdering Holodomor. And that’s not even counting mass killing outside Europe. Leopold’s ‘Congo Free State’ for example is responsible for the deaths of about 10 million people as credible scholars show. You say fewer? Indeed. Let’s start with Europe,

  120. colm says:
    @MarkinLA

    nobody is stopping them except usa, britain and france, who hate the darkies redrawing the borders they created.

  121. Kat Grey says:
    @Hibernian

    Enrique is a fool. I do live in eastern Sicily and what’s more I have an in-law who just happens to be in the Italian Navy and brought many of these migrants to Lampedusa during the failed Operation Mare Nostrum. The overwhelming majority are indeed sub-Saharan males, however he did relate a funny story to me regarding a Nigerian female who claimed to be fleeing from war. When he opened her suitcase all she managed to take with her from the “war zone” were tens of pairs of crotchless knickers and thongs! I guess the poor “refugee” was escaping from the War of the Brothels.

  122. And you are lying to make out that Lampedusa represents all of the EU. That there were African migrants to a particular stopping point like Lampedusa was never at issue. We all know there are African migrants to various parts, of which Lampedusa is one destination. The issue is whether the majority of migrants to the EU are “sub Saharan blacks” allegedly “swamping” the continent. This is bogus.

    The fact that one particular stopping point like Lampedusa has a higher headcount of African refugees than another stopping point does not change the overall picture- that most of the migrants to the EU in the recent surge are “Caucasoids” from the Middle East, primarily driven by war and unrest in Syria, Iraq and other “Caucasoid” parts. And Lampedusa has been taking on such migrants sine the 1990s. Since the 1990s, Italy, and the Trapani and Lampedusa coastlines in particular, have been landing points for immigrants coming from Caucasoid Tunisia for example.

    In fact, credible reports demonstrate that most sub-Saharan African migrants end their journeys in North Africa, with only a minority actually reaching Europe.

    http://www.inmigracionclandestina.eu/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Europe-Fighting-Irregular-Migration.pdf
    Europe fighting irregular migration- Consequences for West African mobility, Danish Institute for International Studies (DIIS),

    ————————————————————————————————-

    And the migrants that are really changing EUropean’s demographics are Caucasoid, as National Geographic notes in its 2014 report below:

    “Refugees have altered Italy’s demographics. With Spain, Italy shares the European record for the greatest growth in the number of newcomers since 2000. Out of Italy’s current population of 61 million, 4.9 million are immigrants. Most arrived before the current influx, from poor countries in Eastern Europe, especially Albania and Romania.”
    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/special-features/2014/10/141031-italy-immigration-crisis-human-trafficking/

  123. Corvinus says:

    “It’s already been pointed out to you that some of the most heavily colonized parts of Africa are today doing the best, while the least colonized are doing among the worst. The obvious conclusion is that colonization is no explanation for the state of Africa.”

    Please list those “most heavily” and “least colonized” parts of Africa.

  124. “some of the most heavily colonized parts of Africa are today doing the best, while the least colonized are doing among the worst. The obvious conclusion is that colonization is no explanation for the state of Africa.”

    What’s rather obvious is that the claim is dubious. Botswana was actually one of the lightly colonized parts of Africa. There were no mass land confiscations or genocide as in Southwest Africa, or any major colonial forces going out to smash such kingdoms as were there. In fact the British ruled the major tribal powers in a “protectorate” format via “indirect rule.” There were no white colonial overseers with whips and guns issuing “Extermination Orders” against entire villages that failed to meet rubber collection quotas, as in Leopold’s heavily colonized Congo, which saw the deaths of 10 million people under his regime. Yet Botswana is ahead of several Eastern European countries on certain counts. Likewise Gabon, saw no major heavy-handed French colonization as in the mass slaughters of Algeria that say only a quarter of the French Army tied down there in fighting. In fact any credible colonial history shows Gabon was rather neglected by the French- it is considered a classic backwater in the literature.

    And yet lightly colonized Gabon like Botswana, is ahead of a number of Eastern European countries on various measures- including white or “Caucasoid” Iran, Bulgaria, Algeria, Serbia, Colombia, Macedonia, Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kosovo, Ukraine, Armenia, Georgia, and Moldova. Lightly colonized Morocco also shows the same pattern- even though following below Gabon and Botswana.

    Even Equatorial Guinea, lightly colonized by e Spanish, posts higher per capita income than primarily white or “Caucasoid” Poland, Hungary, Latvia, Chile, Croatia, Kazakhstan, Uruguay, Romania, & Lebanon depending on the per capita measure selected like PPP. If the Atlas methodology is used Guinea is still ahead of primarily white Hungary, Croatia and Poland. Black Barbados in the Caribbean is ahead of white Chile, Uruguay, Lithuania, Hungary, Croatia and Poland.

    Gabon, Botswana and black Caribbean territories like Barbados, Grenada, St Kitts, Antigua, Trinidad, Bahamas, Bermuda are ahead of apartheid head-basher South Africa under the Atlas per capita calculation. Likewise and under the PPP method, Gabon, Botswana, Equatorial Guinea, Barbados, St Kitts, and Bahamas are also ahead of ultra heavy-handed apartheid colonizer South Africa. So there is not necessarily any “correlation” between weight of colonization and today’s prosperity. To the contrary- some of the lightest colonized territories are now among those doing the best per capita.

    (–Data From: World Development Indicators database, World Bank, 14 April 2015 — Gross national income per capita 2013, Atlas method and PPP- 2013)

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  125. Is Normal says:
    @Enrique Cardova

    How does your citation prove there is no significant genetic difference between Hutu and Tutsi people? And yes, there are significant genetic differences between a swarthy Sicilian and a tall, blonde Swede.

  126. Is Normal says:
    @Enrique Cardova

    i think you’ll find that the success of Equatorial Guinea is primarily the result of the doscovery of massive oil reserves in 1996. As such, it ranks very low on the Human Development Index. As to the success of Botswana, you seem to be pushing the simplistic dichotomy of “lightly” vs. “strongly” colonized. That is irrelevant. The success of institutions, the primary characteristic of modern and well-functioning states, had much to do with conditions already present in the country upon arrival of European colonialists, mostly factors like population density. Botswana’s fate was inextricably tied to colonial policy, as early as the 1850’s when they were granted protectorate status by Great Britain against Zulu tribes and the Boers. They also benefited from the same common law tradition and government that India did, so it wasn’t simply a matter of the British “leaving them alone”. But all this talk of Botswana makes me want to re-read the No. 1 Ladies Detective Agency.

  127. @Hepp

    In a gesture of global philanthropy we (USA) could donate OUR African-Americans to Africa to help them develop to our standards.

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