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As regular listeners know, I have a newspaper delivered every morning to read over my breakfast oatmeal. It’s nothing heavy, just the New York Post, which nicely straddles the borderline between too-good-to-check tabloid idiocy and the honking self-important ponderosity of the broadsheet press.

I don’t read more than about ten percent of my morning newspaper. I have zero interest in sports or celebrities. I glance at the business section for old times’ sake but rarely read a complete article (though John Crudele sometimes says sensible things about the nation’s finances).

The latest story of municipal corruption or malfeasance generally takes up two or three pages, but when you’ve read one of those stories, you’ve read ’em all. The perp is some useless incompetent, almost invariably black, given a nice plum job in the New York City bureaucracy in return for supporting the mayor, or just as an Affirmative-Action gesture.

The current flap about the head of the public-housing authority lying under oath is perfectly typical. You could write a computer program to generate these corruption stories. Perhaps the Post does that; I don’t know or care.

So there isn’t much in my morning newspaper I actually want to read. That’s fine; breakfast doesn’t take long and I have things to do. They did get my prolonged attention on Thursday this week, though.

The front-page story was about the sentencing of Larry Nassar, the sports-medicine specialist at Michigan State University who’d been found guilty of molesting young female athletes, including Olympic competitors. [VDARE.com Note: People named Nassar are Arab-American, although not usually Muslim. Not one Main Stream Media stories mention this when discussing this case.]

At the risk of coming across as prurient, or perhaps just over-inquisitive, I always want to know what the perp actually did in these cases. What Larry Nassar did was, he touched the breasts and private parts of young girls while examining them, including three who were younger than thirteen, and penetrated them with his finger, all against their will.

My question: Nassar was doing the stuff he was doing for twenty-five years. How’d he get away with it for so long?

Part of the answer, I’m sure, is the same as the answer to the same question in the matter of show business sexual harassment. In both cases there was a thing that the harassees wanted very, very badly —so badly that they, or in the case of younger victims, more likely their parents—might have considered that submitting to harassment or molestation was a price worth paying for that thing.

In the showbiz cases the thing wanted was a movie part; in Nassar’s case, a shot at competing in the Olympics.

I don’t say that’s the whole story, and I certainly wouldn’t say that all the victims took that cynical view. Twenty-five years of silence needs explaining, though. I’ve no doubt that’s part of the explanation.

Note that these were state charges. Nassar was convicted just last month in federal court on charges related to possessing, creating, and destroying child pornography. For that federal conviction he got a sixty-year sentence, of which under federal rules he will have to serve fifty-five years.

Obviously, this is a nasty creepy guy. There’s no making excuses for Larry Nassar. The news story does, though, tell us something about our strange times, and about the disturbing level of unreasoning feminized hysteria in society today. If you don’t know the etymology of the word “hysteria,” I’ll pause a moment while you look it up in your Funk & Wagnalls … okay.

First, the sentence. The state judge, name of Rosemarie Aquilina (not a Hispanic, but a Maltese/German immigrant) gave Larry Nassar 40 to 175 years on the molestation charges. [Larry Nassar: Disgraced US Olympics doctor jailed for 175 years, BBC, January 25, 2018] I’m not clear how that sentence is structured or how many years he is likely to serve, but it sure looks like decades.

And that, according to the judge, is after he’s served the sixty-year federal sentence.

Sixty plus 175 is 235. Two hundred and thirty-five years—longer than the entire history of our republic. You don’t have to be a fan of pedophilia to wonder if that isn’t disproportionate.

Two hundred and thirty-five years? For crimes in which no-one was killed, maimed, battered or disfigured, and nothing was stolen? How much time does your average murderer serve nowadays, or arsonist, or rapist—a rapist, I mean, who employs more than his finger?

Again, I’m not making excuses for Nassar. He’s a loathsome creep. He should certainly have been fired from his job, stripped of his medical license, and put on some federal register—I’m pretty sure there is one—to ensure that he could never again be alone with young girls anywhere in the U.S.A.

Jail time? Yes; if I were sentencing I’d give him five to ten on all the charges combined. But two hundred and thirty-five years? Come on.

Reading the news story and looking at the accompanying pictures, it’s clear that the courtroom was fogged up with estrogen vapours. The sentencing judge disgraced her profession, wrapping her sentence in a preening, gloating, vindictive diatribe. Here’s the low point.

[Clip, at 0m55s here: Our Constitution does not allow for cruel and unusual punishment. If it did, I have to say, I might allow what he did, to all of these beautiful souls, these young women in their childhood … I would allow someone, or many people, to do to him what he did to others.]

Hey, what do we hire judges for, if not to let loose with their violent vengeance fantasies on nationwide TV?

The judge’s theatricals were supported by a weeping, ululating Greek Chorus of women that Nassar had molested. They’d spent four days sobbing their way through victim impact statements in the courtroom.

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Once again for emphasis: Larry Nassar is a disgusting pervert, if we’re still allowed to say “pervert,” and I’d have sent him down for five to ten with a clear conscience. I just don’t agree that what he did was as sensationally horrible as the court, and my New York Post, were making it out to be.

I know I’m a geezer and out of touch, but in my generation, unless you were spectacularly ugly, you didn’t make it through childhood and adolescence without an occasional pervert coming on at you. It’s not an uncommon thing in the world, and I’m dubious about the claims of permanent mental distress. That Greek chorus in the courtroom keening about their victimhood looked pretty healthy, when they removed their hankies from their eyes long enough for you to get a look at them.

But of course we are in a feminist moment, and keening about victimhood is what every red-blooded American girl is encouraged to do nowadays. I note that not only the judge but also the prosecuting attorneys were females; so was the judge in last month’s federal case.

Judge Aquilina of course did not bar males from the courtroom entirely, but you got the impression that she would have done so if she thought she could get away with it.

The judgette wrapped up her gloat-a-thon by jeering at Larry Nassar that, quote, “I’ve just signed your death warrant.” By that point I was mentally composing a petition to repeal the Nineteenth Amendment.

Speaking of the Nineteenth Amendment there brought to mind the late Justice Scalia’s penetrating observation in a 2005 speech that if the U.S. Supreme Court in 1920 had had the conceit of itself it has today, there would have been no need for the Nineteenth Amendment.[Constitutional Interpretation the Old Fashioned Way, Woodrow Wilson School on March 14, 2005.] The Supremes would just have found female suffrage hidden in the Constitution, unnoticed for 150 years.

We are doomed.

John Derbyshire [email him] writes an incredible amount on all sorts of subjects for all kinds of outlets. (This no longer includes National Review, whose editors had some kind of tantrum and fired him. ) He is the author of We Are Doomed: Reclaiming Conservative Pessimism and several other books. He has had two books published by VDARE.com com:FROM THE DISSIDENT RIGHT (also available in Kindle) and FROM THE DISSIDENT RIGHT II: ESSAYS 2013.

(Republished from VDare by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    My comments on Mr. Derbyshire’s columns are infrequent and overwhelmingly negative. Note the typical, needless asides about the defendant’s and judge’s ancestry, generalizations about women in public life, and nasty insinuations about the victims and their families. Racebaiting and other provocative statements are how he makes his living.

    But his main point today is correct. If there remains any sense of impartial justice, then Judge Aquilina will be reversed and rebuked. As trashy as our columnist, she as disgraced her judicial office.

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    • Replies: @Hibernian
    I'd call it harmless error. The perp deserves a life sentence. He is unquestionably guilty of multiple offenses including several against <15 y.o. victims. Her "death warrant" comment does give undeserved credence to the left wing "a life sentence is a death sentence" narrative. The comment was ill-advised.
    , @Thorfinnsson


    My comments on Mr. Derbyshire’s columns are infrequent and overwhelmingly negative. Note the typical, needless asides about the defendant’s and judge’s ancestry, generalizations about women in public life, and nasty insinuations about the victims and their families. Racebaiting and other provocative statements are how he makes his living.
     
    What is a pussy like you doing reading the Unz Review?

    Your contemptible views would be better served reading the Jew York Crimes.
    , @Peace for God sake
    Thank God for the author. As for you sir, yiu can handle the truth.
    , @Anon
    I guess you are generally humourless or maybea piously imperceptive bore who lacks imaginstion. Otherwise you could not fail to see that John Derbyshire's supposseedly gratuitous "provocative statements" as you call them are a small contribution to providing truth and realism for those considering issues and stories otherwise buried in MSM platitudes.
    , @Anonymous
    Derbyshire is bringing on another woned Revolutionary War for himself...
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  2. Renoman says:

    You better hide John, they’ll be gunnin fer ya.

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    • Replies: @Hacienda

    You better hide John, they’ll be gunnin fer ya.
     
    A labor camp for Derb. If I'm the guard, I'll be sure Derb enjoys his time there. A shovel and a pick instead of a keyboard and pen. A life altering change in tools. For the better, no doubt. If the gang at Amren joins him, they'll have a great time. A life wasted in 5 % intellectual/95 % pseudo-intellectual pursuits, alienated fear of lower IQs and race-baiting, nit-pick snobbery, and other assorted corruptions of analytical elitism. Better to move a ton of dirt from here to there like the Mexicans do, especially with the likes of Steve Sailer, Jared Taylor, Richard Spencer (the chain gang). I'll be sure to get all the books- Hamlet, City of God, The Critique of Pure Reason, Principia Mathematica, Walden, The Home Depot Guide to Woodworking. All the Skittles, M&Ms, beef jerky you need. You will all come out of it better for the experience.
    , @Anonymous
    Derbyshire? You are an immigrant, too. Now, fuck off you sick British prick.
    , @Anonymous
    Yeah. Agreed...there was evidence found of collecting child pornography. Regardless of nationality, that's illegal as fuck and go to hell with a loose anus!
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  3. Hibernian says:
    @anonymous
    My comments on Mr. Derbyshire's columns are infrequent and overwhelmingly negative. Note the typical, needless asides about the defendant's and judge's ancestry, generalizations about women in public life, and nasty insinuations about the victims and their families. Racebaiting and other provocative statements are how he makes his living.

    But his main point today is correct. If there remains any sense of impartial justice, then Judge Aquilina will be reversed and rebuked. As trashy as our columnist, she as disgraced her judicial office.

    I’d call it harmless error. The perp deserves a life sentence. He is unquestionably guilty of multiple offenses including several against <15 y.o. victims. Her "death warrant" comment does give undeserved credence to the left wing "a life sentence is a death sentence" narrative. The comment was ill-advised.

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    • Replies: @pyrrhus
    The whole trial was a joke and a total waste of money...The guy is already going to do 55 years Federal, so the State proceeding has no value. But I must say that repealing the 19th Amendment is a must if we are ever to emerge from this feminized, colonized, welfare loving sewer of a society...
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  4. I think you’re way off target here, Derb. Nassar wasn’t just some neighborhood pervert who tried to cop a feel while standing in line behind some girls. He was a physician in a position of trust and responsibility who used and abused that trust for his own.

    The victims testified during the trial that they thought his touching was part of the treatment, embarrassing as it was. That may not seem very intelligent or sensible of them, but there’s no law saying a 13 year-old has to be very sensible and in fact she usually isn’t, which is why we have laws to protect her. And in many cases their mistaken impression that Nassar’s actions were legitimate medical ones was backed up by what they’d been led to believe. If every time a girl had a pulled groin muscle or similar injury she was treated by the assigned, trusted team physician with intrusive personal massing and the like, it was reasonable for her to conclude that that was the correct treatment.

    As for what you regard as an overly harsh or long sentence, Nassar assaulted over 160 girls and young women, many of them numerous times. Ten years would be less than a month served per victim. The logic in Norway seems to be that if you kill 90 teenagers you can only get the same sentence you could get for killing one. That type of thinking has never really caught on in the US except on the anti-punishment Left. And regarding ensuring he wouldn’t be allowed to be around young girls if he did get out in ten years or less as still a relatively young man, there is no ensuring any such thing once he’s out. You can write it on his parole papers but you can’t keep him away from young girls if he’s powerfully motivated to reoffend, as so many sex offenders are.

    I do agree with you on Aquilina’s over the top sentencing harangue (which was a lot about her) and her gleefully judgmental condemnation. Yes, her hint that the 8th Amendment should perhaps be sidestepped in Nassar’s case is unseemly to say the least.

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    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    I guess some of us agree and some disagree. While the sentence is "practically" ridiculous, in that adding so many years to a sixty year sentence is pretty pointless, it's certainly a contrast to the UK, where one John Worboys, a London black cab driver, has just been released after ten years of what was to be an indefinite sentence for drugging and raping his passengers - he was found guilty on several charges but he wasn't charged with up to a hundred other offences.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Worboys

    But the judge's remarks are, as JD said, beneath her office. Someone coming out with that sort of crap shouldn't be a judge. The law should be awe-inspiring and dispassionate, just, not vengeful. Judges are only human, and maybe often derive pleasure from having enormous power over the convicted. But they shouldn't express their pleasure in their power as she did. Demeans both her and her position.

    , @Henry's Cat

    Ten years would be less than a month served per victim.
     
    Nasser's conviction for child pornography reportedly involved the possession of 37,000 images. How many seconds or minutes per image would Derbyshire consider prudent? He can, however, rest assured that in April 2017, Nassar's state medical license was only revoked for a period of three years.

    According to Wikipedia, Nassar got his start working with female gymnasts at the tender age of 15. Probably not a wise appointment for a boy on the verge of manhood.
    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    Agreed. The question that should be asked when sentencing is "Is the individual a danger to society?" Nasser clearly is. A 10 year sentence would see him back on the streets targeting young girls again for his depravity. He needs to remain in prison until death.
    , @anarchyst
    Since they were assaulted numerous times, where were the parents?
    Remember the McMartin daycare and Wenatchee Washington daycare trials in the 1980s? It turned out that there was no molestation taking place, yet the defendants' lives' were ruined with long prison sentences, etc.
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  5. Awww, Derby … Nassar is being made an example of. And an excellent example it is! I say “Bully!”

    Me, I would hang the worthless scumbag from the nearest cottonwood, judgment based on hyperbolic disgust. Step on him like a scuttling cockroach.

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    • Replies: @Dave Bowman
    In other words, Personal blood-lust revenge is fine, including for a Judge who is trained and qualified to know much better. And fuck any pretence to impartial, legislatorally-framed justice ?

    Good to know your feelings.
    , @JimB
    Rather than call Nassar's sentence too exorbitant, I would call the sentencing in this country for rape too lenient. Especially rape where the assailant and victim are different races. Black men assault 30,000 white women every year in the US. It should be treated as a hate crime automatically with all the sentencing enhancements.
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  6. IL Democrat Gov. Rod Blagojevich got 14-year prison sentence and he didn’t even kill anyone!

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    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    Not to mention, Blagojevich barely committed a crime. Do you think any governor has ever given away a Senate appointment for nothing? Blagojevich's "crime" was being a little too honest about the appointment process.
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  7. SMK says: • Website

    The sex crime laws of Michigan and the penalties inflicted on offenders, especially those who have sex with young men and women under statutory age, are hideously draconian. They’re not just irrational, iniquitous, and grotesquely excessive and disproportionate. They’re insane. Actually, to call then insane is an understatement, They’re beyond insanity.

    To give but one example: the generic age of consent in Michigan is 16. So men ages 18 to 80 –apparently including violent and recidivist criminals who’ve never been convicted of a sexual offense- are free to have sex with girls of 16 and 17. But women teachers who have love affairs or engage in one act of coitus or fellatio with male students, even those one day short of their 16th birthdays, are guilty of a felony with a maximum sentence of 25-year to life in prison and a mandatory minimum of 8-25 years and a lifetime of draconian/Orwellian persecution.

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    "Justice" in Michigan! In Jan. of 2015, in Grand Rapids, Abigail Simon was sentenced to 8-25 years in prison, the mandatory minimum, and a lifetime of electronic parole-monitoring with an ankle-tether/"bracelet she can never remove (not even when showering, bathing, having sex) and public sex-offender registration as a uniquely dangerous and degenerate criminal, for having sex with a 15-year-old student and biological man who she claims forced himself on her and "controlled her life" by threats and intimidation. And shortly thereafter, Kathryn Ronk was sentenced to 6-15 years in prison, under a plea-bargain, for having sex with a 15-year-old male student.

    And for each year they're enslaved, in Detroit alone, nameless low-IQ brutes and savages who should be in prison commit hundreds of rapes and murders and thousands of other violent and mala in se crimes: aggravated assaults, attempted murder, muggings, armed robberies, gang-shootings, burglaries, vandalism, etc.
    , @El Dato
    Because someone somewhere may be having fun that an old vindictive hag missed out on, and that is intolerable.

    Bring back public witch hangings to give the angry people some public release of their pent-up sexual frustrations, I say.

    , @Santoculto
    White tra$h are that silly Lilly domesticated homer Simpsons who don't understand that a limit of age is often artificial and that after certain biological age most humans are perfectly capable to feel sexually attracted and have kids and in most hunter gathers communities people rise their families when they are adolescents probably because they no have time enough to expect a artificial judicial age to become legally adult.

    I'm not necessarily defending adolescent sexual initiation.. I'm just trying to point out how little bit more meticulous this subject is specially about adolescence sexuality and adult participation. It's also is not a autobiographical defense even because I wasn't a sexually active adolescent.
    , @Alden
    Shouldn’t women teachers be aware of the laws and hold off till the boy is 16.
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  8. Old fogey says:

    I have read very little about this story but one point stuck in my mind – that one of the women accusing the doctor of sexual abuse was examined in the presence of her mother and neither of them said anything to the doctor at the time.

    As a student in the NYC school system back in the day we were required to have physical examinations on a regular basis even though we had no symptoms of disease. Once we became teenagers that requirement was eliminated, which was a big relief to us girls because once we passed puberty a routine physical exam was expected to include the doctor putting on his gloves and you putting your feet up in the stirrups. Are internal exams for females no longer part of a general physical examination? If so, great decision, but I am flabbergasted to hear that a physician giving an internal examination to a female is now considered a criminal.

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    Once we became teenagers that requirement was eliminated, which was a big relief to us girls because once we passed puberty a routine physical exam was expected to include the doctor putting on his gloves and you putting your feet up in the stirrups. Are internal exams for females no longer part of a general physical examination?
     
    It may be that women, even very young ones are pretty much used to having internal examinations, though I am not sure what the point of them would be unless the woman was complaining of some symptoms, or pregnant.

    However my understanding from some of the remarks made by the victims of Dr. Nassar is that he was doing these exams without gloves, which is very odd indeed, if true.

    Also, if the examinations were done in a bona fide medical examination, there should be in existence a written record of each examination stating the purpose, findings, and so on and peer group review by other doctors should be able fairly easily to determine whether this was legitimate best practice, or just a perv copping a feel.

    The press reporting has been rather sensational and lacking in solid detail, as usual.

    The judge, as others have said, seems to have been inappropriate in her remarks.

    The sentence does seem excessive.

    , @Alden
    Routine physicals for girls do not include internal gynecology exams.
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  9. I know I’m a geezer and out of touch, but in my generation, unless you were spectacularly ugly, you didn’t make it through childhood and adolescence without an occasional pervert coming on at you.

    This may be one of those things that separate Brits from Americans. The Brits still don’t have an online database where you can look up convicted sex offenders by name, and see their picture. We have had such a database here now for around 2 decades. It’s called Megan’s Law, and Derb seems unfamiliar with it.

    The closest thing the Brits have is some sort of pseudo-spam site where they post details of recent convictions, but it’s not a lookup by name site.

    British courts routinely give convicted pedos new identities to prevent people from bothering them after their prison terms are complete. We do the opposite. We make it so pedos can’t hide, ever. I sort of like our approach.

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    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    "British courts routinely give convicted pedos new identities to prevent people from bothering them after their prison terms are complete."

    I don't think they do - they may change their names but I don't think they get much help from the State.

    On the other hand, if, as a child, you commit the most dreadful child murders, the British State will not only give you a new identity on release (generally after only a few years) but will jail anyone attempting to reveal your true identity.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Bell

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edlington_attacks

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James_Bulger#New_identity_for_Venables
    , @SMK
    Roughly half of the over 800,000 people on the sex-offender registry are not rapists and pedophiles, accurately defined and understood, but men and women who engaged in a variety of consensual sex-acts with pubescent teenagers under statutory age. Most of them are first-offenders convicted of nonviolent and victimless and mala prohibita felonies, crimes that are legal acts in dozen of other nations, including European countries, people who've never committed a violent or other malum in se crime in their lives and almost surely never will and who are not a "threat to society" or to anyone nor even a "danger" to re-offend by engaging in consensual sex-acts with underage adolescents. Yet they have to register for life or at least for 20-30 years as uniquely deviant and dangerous criminals, their mug-shots, names, and addresses on the internet for all to see so they can receive hate-mail and death threats -and, for the women, salacious letters often with photos of male genitalia and the like- and possibly be assaulted or murdered by vigilantes or have their houses and property vandalized. I suggest you visit NARSOL, a website whose focus is on the registry and whose goal is to eliminate it, and read many or at least some of the articles.
    , @Johann Ricke

    British courts routinely give convicted pedos new identities to prevent people from bothering them after their prison terms are complete. We do the opposite. We make it so pedos can’t hide, ever. I sort of like our approach.
     
    I'd love it if we could add to that a database of convicted killers. Anyone who's ever been convicted of a crime involving manslaughter all the way up to murder should have his name in a publicly-available database. After all, which criminal is more dangerous to life and limb - a convicted sex offender or a convicted killer?
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  10. I remember the highly inappropriate behavior of the female trial judge in the Georges Zimmerman case. Women, in general, lack judicial temperament and ought not to be on the bench (or practicing law, for that matter).

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    Women, in general, lack judicial temperament and ought not to be on the bench (or practicing law, for that matter).
     
    c.f Sotomayor, Sonia, and Ginsburg, Ruth B.
    , @Curtis Mouser
    And they get caught up in hysterical witch-hunts that are highly politicized aimed at enforcing orthodoxy.

    This 'judge' is Exhibit A in everything a judge should NOT be - uncontrolled, pandering, vengeful, hysterical, highly political, feminist etc...
    , @ThreeCranes
    "Women, in general, lack judicial temperament and ought not to be on the bench (or practicing law, for that matter)."

    I've yet to meet a woman who cared to discuss an issue of the day in transcendent, impartial, objective terms. As has been said, for a woman, Right and Wrong are determined by what's good for her kids.

    , @Corvinus
    "Women, in general, lack judicial temperament and ought not to be on the bench (or practicing law, for that matter)."

    Doesn't surprise me that you say this, given how you yourself had been properly admonished from the bench for your own shenanigans as a lawyer.
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    @SMK
    The sex crime laws of Michigan and the penalties inflicted on offenders, especially those who have sex with young men and women under statutory age, are hideously draconian. They're not just irrational, iniquitous, and grotesquely excessive and disproportionate. They're insane. Actually, to call then insane is an understatement, They're beyond insanity.

    To give but one example: the generic age of consent in Michigan is 16. So men ages 18 to 80 --apparently including violent and recidivist criminals who've never been convicted of a sexual offense- are free to have sex with girls of 16 and 17. But women teachers who have love affairs or engage in one act of coitus or fellatio with male students, even those one day short of their 16th birthdays, are guilty of a felony with a maximum sentence of 25-year to life in prison and a mandatory minimum of 8-25 years and a lifetime of draconian/Orwellian persecution.

    “Justice” in Michigan! In Jan. of 2015, in Grand Rapids, Abigail Simon was sentenced to 8-25 years in prison, the mandatory minimum, and a lifetime of electronic parole-monitoring with an ankle-tether/”bracelet she can never remove (not even when showering, bathing, having sex) and public sex-offender registration as a uniquely dangerous and degenerate criminal, for having sex with a 15-year-old student and biological man who she claims forced himself on her and “controlled her life” by threats and intimidation. And shortly thereafter, Kathryn Ronk was sentenced to 6-15 years in prison, under a plea-bargain, for having sex with a 15-year-old male student.

    And for each year they’re enslaved, in Detroit alone, nameless low-IQ brutes and savages who should be in prison commit hundreds of rapes and murders and thousands of other violent and mala in se crimes: aggravated assaults, attempted murder, muggings, armed robberies, gang-shootings, burglaries, vandalism, etc.

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    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    I'm not unsympathetic, but remember, the Feminists™ wanted the same standards for women as for men, so now this happens. The sentence may not be just, but the cause is falsely treating unlike things as if they were like, which is the basis of Feminism™. Don't like these outcomes? Remove the cause. Remove Feminism™.

    OTOH, while you are correct that the 15 year old "biological men" with whom they had sex were probably not really harmed in a way that justifies the 15- and 25-year sentences the women got, there were still victims: the women's husbands and the communities who employed them to teach their young impartially rather than to go on sex benders with them. Unfortunately, again due to Feminism, these victims are now discounted. In the more enlightened ages of the past, these women still would have been prosecuted and penalized, just for more valid reasons.

    So in summary, the real problem is the false dogma of Feminism™. The cure is the truth of redpilled realism.

    Fine print: Yes, Simon claimed the 15 year old forced himself on her, but her lingerie-clad messages professing "love" to him suggest otherwise. Ronk's sentence was not "under" plea bargain but in addition to a plea bargain. In other words, she was hooking up with a lot of her pupils.
    , @Anonymous

    8-25 years in prison ... for having sex with a 15-year-old [boy]
    6-15 years in prison ... for having sex with a 15-year-old male student.
     
    The NARRATIVE (TM) must be maintained at any cost that the effect of sex is exactly the same for men and women in all respects. If that means jailing some frisky female high school teachers for life, that's a price the Left is willing to pay.

    Even physical/biological effects are exactly the same. Only white racists would claim that boys cannot get pregnant.

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    Another great episode, look forward to Saturday morning for the latest RadioDerb. Thanks for pointing out Nassar’s origins, was looking feverishly last night to see if he was in the tribe. Guess I will have to settle on Seagal’s latest.

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    Nassar is an Arab name
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  14. Is the concept of a death warrant (a.k.a. “execution warrant”) obsolete in American law? No, says

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution_warrant

    But this judge told a convicted defendant, “I just signed your death warrant.” How could this be true, if the sentence the judge imposed for the crime was not death, but imprisonment? Either the judge was lying, or signed a death warrant she was not authorized to sign.

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    But this judge told a convicted defendant, “I just signed your death warrant.” How could this be true, if the sentence the judge imposed for the crime was not death, but imprisonment?
     
    I doubt she was speaking literally. Given the attitude of the general prison population toward child molesters, Nassar is, let's just say, unlikely to die of natural causes.
    , @ScarletNumber
    She was speaking figuratively, since he will die behind bars.
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  15. Derbyshire, you do have a point about the parents. Where were they? But, once again, you are projecting your degeneracy. Your son had to be straightened out by the USA military. His Chinese tiger mom was useless and worthless. And you being a cuck, didn’t do a good job either. Your offspring will be some variation of this Nassar character.

    You once again scribble your “we are doomed” idiocy, but again you are projecting what you see in your home, i.e., your Chinese wife and offspring.

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    How did that comment pass moderation? It's just bile.
    , @Alden
    Worst comment ever by Attila the witch.
    Go back to insulting black clergy.
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  16. @Patrick Sullivan
    I think you're way off target here, Derb. Nassar wasn't just some neighborhood pervert who tried to cop a feel while standing in line behind some girls. He was a physician in a position of trust and responsibility who used and abused that trust for his own.

    The victims testified during the trial that they thought his touching was part of the treatment, embarrassing as it was. That may not seem very intelligent or sensible of them, but there's no law saying a 13 year-old has to be very sensible and in fact she usually isn't, which is why we have laws to protect her. And in many cases their mistaken impression that Nassar's actions were legitimate medical ones was backed up by what they'd been led to believe. If every time a girl had a pulled groin muscle or similar injury she was treated by the assigned, trusted team physician with intrusive personal massing and the like, it was reasonable for her to conclude that that was the correct treatment.

    As for what you regard as an overly harsh or long sentence, Nassar assaulted over 160 girls and young women, many of them numerous times. Ten years would be less than a month served per victim. The logic in Norway seems to be that if you kill 90 teenagers you can only get the same sentence you could get for killing one. That type of thinking has never really caught on in the US except on the anti-punishment Left. And regarding ensuring he wouldn't be allowed to be around young girls if he did get out in ten years or less as still a relatively young man, there is no ensuring any such thing once he's out. You can write it on his parole papers but you can't keep him away from young girls if he's powerfully motivated to reoffend, as so many sex offenders are.

    I do agree with you on Aquilina's over the top sentencing harangue (which was a lot about her) and her gleefully judgmental condemnation. Yes, her hint that the 8th Amendment should perhaps be sidestepped in Nassar's case is unseemly to say the least.

    I guess some of us agree and some disagree. While the sentence is “practically” ridiculous, in that adding so many years to a sixty year sentence is pretty pointless, it’s certainly a contrast to the UK, where one John Worboys, a London black cab driver, has just been released after ten years of what was to be an indefinite sentence for drugging and raping his passengers – he was found guilty on several charges but he wasn’t charged with up to a hundred other offences.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Worboys

    But the judge’s remarks are, as JD said, beneath her office. Someone coming out with that sort of crap shouldn’t be a judge. The law should be awe-inspiring and dispassionate, just, not vengeful. Judges are only human, and maybe often derive pleasure from having enormous power over the convicted. But they shouldn’t express their pleasure in their power as she did. Demeans both her and her position.

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  17. SMK says: • Website

    Derb, in a country in which women are vilified as “rapists” and “pedophiles” for allowing biological men under age 16 or even 18 to penetrate them in factually consensual relationships -the only “crime” is which the de jure “victims” enjoy the actus reus (i.e., the sex) far more than the adult women who “rape” and “molest” them and are often if not usually the aggressors and initiators of their phantasmal and theoretical “victimization”- I think you’re allowed to use the word”pervert” and much worse to describe a serial molester of prepubescent girls.

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  18. @Bragadocious
    I know I’m a geezer and out of touch, but in my generation, unless you were spectacularly ugly, you didn’t make it through childhood and adolescence without an occasional pervert coming on at you.

    This may be one of those things that separate Brits from Americans. The Brits still don't have an online database where you can look up convicted sex offenders by name, and see their picture. We have had such a database here now for around 2 decades. It's called Megan's Law, and Derb seems unfamiliar with it.

    The closest thing the Brits have is some sort of pseudo-spam site where they post details of recent convictions, but it's not a lookup by name site.

    British courts routinely give convicted pedos new identities to prevent people from bothering them after their prison terms are complete. We do the opposite. We make it so pedos can't hide, ever. I sort of like our approach.

    “British courts routinely give convicted pedos new identities to prevent people from bothering them after their prison terms are complete.”

    I don’t think they do – they may change their names but I don’t think they get much help from the State.

    On the other hand, if, as a child, you commit the most dreadful child murders, the British State will not only give you a new identity on release (generally after only a few years) but will jail anyone attempting to reveal your true identity.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Bell

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edlington_attacks

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James_Bulger#New_identity_for_Venables

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  19. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    Is the concept of a death warrant (a.k.a. "execution warrant") obsolete in American law? No, says

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution_warrant

    But this judge told a convicted defendant, "I just signed your death warrant." How could this be true, if the sentence the judge imposed for the crime was not death, but imprisonment? Either the judge was lying, or signed a death warrant she was not authorized to sign.

    But this judge told a convicted defendant, “I just signed your death warrant.” How could this be true, if the sentence the judge imposed for the crime was not death, but imprisonment?

    I doubt she was speaking literally. Given the attitude of the general prison population toward child molesters, Nassar is, let’s just say, unlikely to die of natural causes.

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  20. Rich says:

    Grown men who sexually molest underage girls deserve the death penalty. In NY I’ve read of men who raped children under the age of five and were released to rape again after just a few years. For verification, just go to the Megan’s Law website. I would certainly be willing to pull the lever to hang them in the town square, or be part of the firing squad.

    Mr Derbyshire should read the sports pages of the Post. A writer named Larry Brooks recently took the NHL to task for hiring Kid Rock to perform at this years All-Star game, because he often performs in front of a Confederate flag and once asked why we had to hear so much about homosexuals. Mr Brooks made no objection last year when Snoop Dogg was invited to play at the NHL All-Star game. Can’t escape “goodwhites” wherever you go.

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    said:
    "Grown men who sexually molest underage girls deserve the death penalty."

    What about grown men who sexually molest underage boys?
    A free pass?

    As for Larry 'Brooks' & the Kid Rock thing, recall that BET hosted a cocktail party with the Obamas on the South Lawn of the White House in late October [2016], highlights included: Usher leading the crowd in a call-and-response: “Say it loud, I’m black and I’m proud.”

    What would they say if a White musician was on the South Lawn of the White House leading an overwhelmingly White crowd in a call-and-response: “Say it loud, I’m White and I’m proud.”
    The real story here is that calling whites 'racist' doesn’t work anymore.
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  21. anon • Disclaimer says: • Website

    OFF TOPIC, but still shocking:

    Two former employees of Common Good Books, the St. Paul bookstore [Garrison] Keillor owns, learned that one awkward day in May 2012.

    Molly Hilgenberg, now 31, said Keillor visited the shop only occasionally and left its day-to-day operation to employees. But he did stop by shortly after the bookstore moved from a basement in the Cathedral Hill neighborhood to a larger building near Macalester College.
    Hilgenberg, who now lives in northern California, said Keillor wrote a sexually suggestive limerick on a whiteboard behind the cash register. In the five lines, photos of which Hilgenberg shared with MPR News, Keillor wrote about another young female employee, whose physique he found arousing. Hilgenberg said she is certain that her co-worker was the subject of the poem.

    A beauty who goes to Macalester —
    O, her face, her limbs, her ballast, her
    Tiny blue kilt
    And the way she is built
    Could make a petrified phallus stir.

    Hilgenberg’s co-worker was a Macalester student at the time. She did not want to be named, but confirmed the details of the incident to MPR News.

    Hilgenberg said they both found the verse offensive and demeaning, but felt powerless to do anything about it.

    “I’m pretty sure I didn’t say anything other than ‘Oh my gosh!’” Hilgenberg said. “I don’t even really remember my reaction. I was just in shock. I was like, ‘That is so wildly inappropriate’ in my mind. But I didn’t say anything, which I still regret to this day.”

    Hilgenberg said the store staff feared Keillor’s reaction if they were to erase the limerick, so they temporarily covered it with books and a portrait of F. Scott Fitzgerald. —MPR

    Keillor should be castrated and all his books burned.

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    The first four lines of the limerick are very sweet; the fifth is rudely forward and bawdy, might have been OK in a private communication, but not in a publicly displayed message.
    , @Johann
    But Keillor is a “good white” with deep roots in the Democrat Socialist party. That alone protects him from being the geek that he resembles so much.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    Keillor has been completely un-personed at the Minnesota Public Radio website. He made them a ton of money over the years, and now he no longer exists. Welcome to our new digital world.
    , @Wyatt Pendleton
    No he should not be castrated. The best tactic would be to record what he did, leave the message board as it is, then after Keillor left put up a sign that everything is free and going out of business, then all employees quit and walk out of the store. If Keillor has a problem with what happened, contact Gloria Stienem who would do back flips to take the case and rake him over the coals in the press.

    THAT would be a fantastic message to send to uncouth jerks like him.
    , @willieskull68
    Hardly; and hashtag who cares.

    Somebody felt bad?
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  22. gp says:

    Agree. Two points come to mind:

    Offenses against kids are especially heinous and absolutely taboo in America. Salient example is sex-offender registration. Why is there no murderer registration? No robber registration? I want violent criminals registered. I want their pictures on billboards.

    Re the judges nasty comment “I would allow someone, or many people, to do to him what he did to others.” I can see where that vindictiveness comes from. But the elephant in the room is that prison rape IS rampant in America, and nobody seems to care. It’s a punch line for casual jokes for goodness sakes. How hard can it be to design prisons to keep the animals separate? We certainly need to build more prisons; let’s do it right.

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  23. @Old fogey
    I have read very little about this story but one point stuck in my mind - that one of the women accusing the doctor of sexual abuse was examined in the presence of her mother and neither of them said anything to the doctor at the time.

    As a student in the NYC school system back in the day we were required to have physical examinations on a regular basis even though we had no symptoms of disease. Once we became teenagers that requirement was eliminated, which was a big relief to us girls because once we passed puberty a routine physical exam was expected to include the doctor putting on his gloves and you putting your feet up in the stirrups. Are internal exams for females no longer part of a general physical examination? If so, great decision, but I am flabbergasted to hear that a physician giving an internal examination to a female is now considered a criminal.

    Once we became teenagers that requirement was eliminated, which was a big relief to us girls because once we passed puberty a routine physical exam was expected to include the doctor putting on his gloves and you putting your feet up in the stirrups. Are internal exams for females no longer part of a general physical examination?

    It may be that women, even very young ones are pretty much used to having internal examinations, though I am not sure what the point of them would be unless the woman was complaining of some symptoms, or pregnant.

    However my understanding from some of the remarks made by the victims of Dr. Nassar is that he was doing these exams without gloves, which is very odd indeed, if true.

    Also, if the examinations were done in a bona fide medical examination, there should be in existence a written record of each examination stating the purpose, findings, and so on and peer group review by other doctors should be able fairly easily to determine whether this was legitimate best practice, or just a perv copping a feel.

    The press reporting has been rather sensational and lacking in solid detail, as usual.

    The judge, as others have said, seems to have been inappropriate in her remarks.

    The sentence does seem excessive.

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    However my understanding from some of the remarks made by the victims of Dr. Nassar is that he was doing these exams without gloves, which is very odd indeed, if true.
     
    Well it's finger-licking good.
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  24. gp says:
    @attilathehen
    Derbyshire, you do have a point about the parents. Where were they? But, once again, you are projecting your degeneracy. Your son had to be straightened out by the USA military. His Chinese tiger mom was useless and worthless. And you being a cuck, didn't do a good job either. Your offspring will be some variation of this Nassar character.

    You once again scribble your "we are doomed" idiocy, but again you are projecting what you see in your home, i.e., your Chinese wife and offspring.

    How did that comment pass moderation? It’s just bile.

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    What I wrote was not bile, but the truth. I think I've seen your initials around here, but your scribblings did not impress me.

    Do you know Derbyshire's history? He has a Chinese wife and offspring. The imported Chinese wife and daughter voted for Obama. He wrote about this in an article. Derbyshire wrote an article "The Talk" - a talk that parents should have with their children regarding blacks. His wife and daughter did not listen to him, as their voting patterns show.

    I read his scribblings at VDare and they are unbelievable. He grew up a Christian in a Christian England but he says he is now an atheist. He wrote in a column that he doesn't understand Chrisitians.
    Yet, he helps his Chinese wife with her pagan ancestor rituals. He writes a column that is a diary and those scribblings are also revealing.

    I have criticized him many times. He finally commented to me. I asked him a simple question: which people are better - the English or the Chinese? There is only one correct answer. He answered back with the most inane, degenerate comparison. He scribbled about it depends on what is better versus what is good, i.e., who is better or worse - Stalin or Warren Harding. Pure degeneracy and madness!!! That one could put these 2 men in the same category is beyond belief. A mass murderer versus a corrupt but not murderous American man. As a Western woman, and specifically an American woman, this is beyond the pale.

    Then he writes this column. He mentions the judge's ethnic background. She is a Western woman, a European. No problem. Then he mentions the doctor's ethnic background. He is a Caucasian. I would assume he is of Lebanese or Syrian extraction, and he is a Christian. Lebanese/Syrian Christians are well assimilated in the West and are Western.

    Derbyshire is married to a Chinese woman (Asians are the second race, Caucasians are first, blacks are last). The West is not Chinese and the Chinese are not liked in the West. The judge and doctor (putting his crime aside) are kosher. Derbyshire's wife is not kosher. And yet, Derbyshire scribbles about their backgrounds. Chutzpah!!! If you don't know Derbyshire's background, now you do. He wrote in a column about his son joining the army to get straightened out. He puts it all out there. He deserves my criticism.

    , @Bill jones
    Why should comments be "moderated" i.e. Censored, you fascist piece of crap? (POC).
    , @neutral
    Everything he said in that comment was true (go ahead prove me wrong), what is it about the truth that you hate some much about it?
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  25. gp says:
    @anon
    OFF TOPIC, but still shocking:

    Two former employees of Common Good Books, the St. Paul bookstore [Garrison] Keillor owns, learned that one awkward day in May 2012.

    Molly Hilgenberg, now 31, said Keillor visited the shop only occasionally and left its day-to-day operation to employees. But he did stop by shortly after the bookstore moved from a basement in the Cathedral Hill neighborhood to a larger building near Macalester College.
    Hilgenberg, who now lives in northern California, said Keillor wrote a sexually suggestive limerick on a whiteboard behind the cash register. In the five lines, photos of which Hilgenberg shared with MPR News, Keillor wrote about another young female employee, whose physique he found arousing. Hilgenberg said she is certain that her co-worker was the subject of the poem.

    A beauty who goes to Macalester —
    O, her face, her limbs, her ballast, her
    Tiny blue kilt
    And the way she is built
    Could make a petrified phallus stir.


    Hilgenberg's co-worker was a Macalester student at the time. She did not want to be named, but confirmed the details of the incident to MPR News.

    Hilgenberg said they both found the verse offensive and demeaning, but felt powerless to do anything about it.

    "I'm pretty sure I didn't say anything other than 'Oh my gosh!'" Hilgenberg said. "I don't even really remember my reaction. I was just in shock. I was like, 'That is so wildly inappropriate' in my mind. But I didn't say anything, which I still regret to this day."

    Hilgenberg said the store staff feared Keillor's reaction if they were to erase the limerick, so they temporarily covered it with books and a portrait of F. Scott Fitzgerald. —MPR
     
    Keillor should be castrated and all his books burned.

    The first four lines of the limerick are very sweet; the fifth is rudely forward and bawdy, might have been OK in a private communication, but not in a publicly displayed message.

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    The first four lines of the limerick are very sweet; the fifth is rudely forward and bawdy,
     
    Well that is the whole point of a limerick and it is very clever to find a rhyme for Macalester.

    There was a young girl named Ann Heuser
    Who swore that no man could surprise her.
    But Pabst took a chance,
    Found some Busch in her pants,
    And now she is sadder Budweiser.
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  26. The Brits still don’t have an online database where you can look up convicted sex offenders by name, and see their picture.

    If they did, lynch mobs would hunt them down and kill them. A few years ago a mob burned down the house of a pediatrician, simply because they confused the words pediatrician and pedophile. (These words are spelled slightly differently in England.)

    The strange thing is that this does not happen in the US.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/4719364.stm

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    If they confused the words "paedophile" and "paediatrician" then I'd say Britain has much bigger problems than vigilante mobs. But I guess we kinda knew that.
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    Cinna the poet?
    , @Bill P
    It used to happen in the US. I recall accused molesters being murdered and the cops doing nothing to solve the homicide as recently as the early 90s.

    But then when they did the registry and cracked down on crime in a big way in the mid 90s it turned out there were so many sex offenders in the US that killing them all would require industrial-scale murder.

    Not all that long ago somebody murdered a convicted sex offender near where I live. He had been jailed for sex with an underage teen girl, but he was pretty young himself (18 at the time), and he was the father of a little kid. So the guy gets murdered, then his wife falls apart and dies from drug abuse, and finally their kid - now an orphan - gets beaten to death in his new foster home. How's that for vigilante justice?
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  27. SMK says: • Website
    @Bragadocious
    I know I’m a geezer and out of touch, but in my generation, unless you were spectacularly ugly, you didn’t make it through childhood and adolescence without an occasional pervert coming on at you.

    This may be one of those things that separate Brits from Americans. The Brits still don't have an online database where you can look up convicted sex offenders by name, and see their picture. We have had such a database here now for around 2 decades. It's called Megan's Law, and Derb seems unfamiliar with it.

    The closest thing the Brits have is some sort of pseudo-spam site where they post details of recent convictions, but it's not a lookup by name site.

    British courts routinely give convicted pedos new identities to prevent people from bothering them after their prison terms are complete. We do the opposite. We make it so pedos can't hide, ever. I sort of like our approach.

    Roughly half of the over 800,000 people on the sex-offender registry are not rapists and pedophiles, accurately defined and understood, but men and women who engaged in a variety of consensual sex-acts with pubescent teenagers under statutory age. Most of them are first-offenders convicted of nonviolent and victimless and mala prohibita felonies, crimes that are legal acts in dozen of other nations, including European countries, people who’ve never committed a violent or other malum in se crime in their lives and almost surely never will and who are not a “threat to society” or to anyone nor even a “danger” to re-offend by engaging in consensual sex-acts with underage adolescents. Yet they have to register for life or at least for 20-30 years as uniquely deviant and dangerous criminals, their mug-shots, names, and addresses on the internet for all to see so they can receive hate-mail and death threats -and, for the women, salacious letters often with photos of male genitalia and the like- and possibly be assaulted or murdered by vigilantes or have their houses and property vandalized. I suggest you visit NARSOL, a website whose focus is on the registry and whose goal is to eliminate it, and read many or at least some of the articles.

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    Yes, the Sex Offenders Registry is the modern equivalent of the pillory.

    What is incredible is how many people are on the list. There are 9 within a mile of my home and 354 within 5 miles. If they were to unite, they would be a powerful force.
    , @Bragadocious
    Interesting theories. However, I don't hear much about vigilantes attacking these folks. In fact, I can't ever remember hearing about it. There's a very good reason for this. People fear going to prison or being sued. In any case, Megan's Law differentiates between child rapists (lifetime registration) and mere statutory rape (usually 10 years). Also, if it comes down to a battle between the privacy of pedos and the public's right to know, I'm going to side with the public. Every time.
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  28. @gp
    The first four lines of the limerick are very sweet; the fifth is rudely forward and bawdy, might have been OK in a private communication, but not in a publicly displayed message.

    The first four lines of the limerick are very sweet; the fifth is rudely forward and bawdy,

    Well that is the whole point of a limerick and it is very clever to find a rhyme for Macalester.

    There was a young girl named Ann Heuser
    Who swore that no man could surprise her.
    But Pabst took a chance,
    Found some Busch in her pants,
    And now she is sadder Budweiser.

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  29. rocko says:

    Maybe the IOC should punish the Americans the same way that they punished the Russians: a total ban, or at least a total ban for the gymnastics team. Or what, someone’s going to argue that a bunch of Russkies pumping themselves full of steroids is worse than a guy molesting girls?

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    This is sort of a non sequitor. Athletes juicing has an effect on the competition, allowing the cheats to perform better "unnaturally". Nassar's crimes are worse, which is why he's going to prison, but they don't make his victims perform better.
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  30. @SMK
    Roughly half of the over 800,000 people on the sex-offender registry are not rapists and pedophiles, accurately defined and understood, but men and women who engaged in a variety of consensual sex-acts with pubescent teenagers under statutory age. Most of them are first-offenders convicted of nonviolent and victimless and mala prohibita felonies, crimes that are legal acts in dozen of other nations, including European countries, people who've never committed a violent or other malum in se crime in their lives and almost surely never will and who are not a "threat to society" or to anyone nor even a "danger" to re-offend by engaging in consensual sex-acts with underage adolescents. Yet they have to register for life or at least for 20-30 years as uniquely deviant and dangerous criminals, their mug-shots, names, and addresses on the internet for all to see so they can receive hate-mail and death threats -and, for the women, salacious letters often with photos of male genitalia and the like- and possibly be assaulted or murdered by vigilantes or have their houses and property vandalized. I suggest you visit NARSOL, a website whose focus is on the registry and whose goal is to eliminate it, and read many or at least some of the articles.

    Yes, the Sex Offenders Registry is the modern equivalent of the pillory.

    What is incredible is how many people are on the list. There are 9 within a mile of my home and 354 within 5 miles. If they were to unite, they would be a powerful force.

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    I had a housemate who was on that list for consensual sex with a lying girl who was days from being legal. She remained in love with him enough to show up at his every trial and try to put in a good word for his character. But we in our arrogance have tied the position of "district attorney" to the gamble of politics, and a record of convicting "pedophiles" always sounds good in November. He went into the System and never came out. He never got a job or his own place. As a Registree, every night-time sound or emotional display brought multiple police cars. And one day he had enough of convincing cops that he was not a threat to anyone through abject self-confessions and impotent begging. He arrived at a new method of permanently ending all his sexual activities, societally approved or not, and of guaranteeing the public that he would be no danger to anyone.
    For some bizarre reason I see him wimpering and fumbling the safety when I read about the health, happiness, and of course the long and richly deserved life of the government of Belgium. At least we have that Registry. Just think what it's protecting us from.
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  31. @SMK
    Roughly half of the over 800,000 people on the sex-offender registry are not rapists and pedophiles, accurately defined and understood, but men and women who engaged in a variety of consensual sex-acts with pubescent teenagers under statutory age. Most of them are first-offenders convicted of nonviolent and victimless and mala prohibita felonies, crimes that are legal acts in dozen of other nations, including European countries, people who've never committed a violent or other malum in se crime in their lives and almost surely never will and who are not a "threat to society" or to anyone nor even a "danger" to re-offend by engaging in consensual sex-acts with underage adolescents. Yet they have to register for life or at least for 20-30 years as uniquely deviant and dangerous criminals, their mug-shots, names, and addresses on the internet for all to see so they can receive hate-mail and death threats -and, for the women, salacious letters often with photos of male genitalia and the like- and possibly be assaulted or murdered by vigilantes or have their houses and property vandalized. I suggest you visit NARSOL, a website whose focus is on the registry and whose goal is to eliminate it, and read many or at least some of the articles.

    Interesting theories. However, I don’t hear much about vigilantes attacking these folks. In fact, I can’t ever remember hearing about it. There’s a very good reason for this. People fear going to prison or being sued. In any case, Megan’s Law differentiates between child rapists (lifetime registration) and mere statutory rape (usually 10 years). Also, if it comes down to a battle between the privacy of pedos and the public’s right to know, I’m going to side with the public. Every time.

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    No vigilantes attack the sex registered folks because even the vigilante-inclined will not feel inclined to visit vigilantism upon the folks in question after reading why they're on the registry. I looked once, in my L.A.-area neighborhood. 90% were Hispanic guys in their 20s - 30s who were banging a teen girlfriend. Meh. Angry fathers---in denial about their daughters' sexuality---are to blame for this list, and anyone on it.
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  32. @Jonathan Mason

    The Brits still don’t have an online database where you can look up convicted sex offenders by name, and see their picture.
     
    If they did, lynch mobs would hunt them down and kill them. A few years ago a mob burned down the house of a pediatrician, simply because they confused the words pediatrician and pedophile. (These words are spelled slightly differently in England.)


    The strange thing is that this does not happen in the US.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/4719364.stm

    If they confused the words “paedophile” and “paediatrician” then I’d say Britain has much bigger problems than vigilante mobs. But I guess we kinda knew that.

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    I don't think they did confuse those words. The evil seed of suspicion towards adults in all physical contact with children has been planted. So long as the present system continues, it will not go away.
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  33. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Rule of Narrative changes the Rule of Law.

    When the New Narrative is made sacrosanct, the Law must succumb to it because… it’s a ‘dream’, and who wants to defer a dream?

    The fate of America and Europe too is due to the fundamental change in the premise of the New Narrative.

    If whites had insisted that US and Europe are white lands and belong to white people BUT white people are nice enough to take in some non-whites, the new arrivals would have come with a sense of gratitude, appreciation, and respect. After all, they were magnanimously allowed in as guests in another people’s homeland.

    So, the new arrivals always feel owed to the native people. They feel that the native folks, out of the kindness of their hearts, did something they didn’t have to do. They were nice enough to let in non-whites who have a chance of a better life.

    But suppose the premise of white nations are changed. The new narrative is “white lands were always nations-of-immigrants” on the basis that there had been earlier invasion of peoples in prehistoric times. Also, suppose premise says that Diversity is magic and More Diversity is wonderful for a nation. And fundamental Change is what a nation should be all about.
    Then, the corollary is homogeneity and continuity are bad things. Homogeneity must be replaced with magical Diversity, and continuity must be severed by ‘reinventing’ the nation in the spirit of Change.
    So, the primary destiny of white nations comes to about increasing endless Diversity and to welcoming total Change.

    Under reigning ideology of PC, not only are white people inculcated with such value system but non-whites in white lands no longer feel appreciative as lucky guests but as rightful owners of white nations. After all, the New Premise says Diversity and Change must take precedence over Homogeneity and Continuity(that are deemed ‘racist’, ‘hateful’, ‘extreme’, and ‘far right’).
    Thus, foreigners who arrive in white lands don’t come with gratitude but with moral and ideological arrogance. They come to make demands to let more of their kind into white nations and for white institutions & industries to favor non-whites in high positions to make things more ‘just’ because, after all, white nations no longer belong to white people but to the World in the spirit of Diversity and Change.

    Core ideas are that important. Changing the central idea of a nation is like changing the code of a computer. If a computer code is programmed to favor red dots and eliminate blue dots, red dots will be favored. Over time, there could be 1000 red dots and only 10 blue dots remaining. But suppose the code is changed to favor blue dots over red dots. Red dots may not worry since they greatly outnumber blue dots. I mean, how much harm could 10 blue dots do to 1000 red dots? But the altered code will mean that blue dots will gain with every passing hour until they will greatly outnumber the red dots. While red dots are eliminated one by one, the program allows blue dots to multiply.

    When the Western code was altered, most white people didn’t react with alarm since they looked all around and saw white people and white power. So what if the New Laws & Values favored Diversity and Change? What could possibly happen?
    Well, look around the big cities of Europe. It led to the invasion by tons of non-whites who cannot be expelled because the core code of the West now say they are what the West and its ‘values’ are all about.

    Why do these Usurpers act with such arrogance and contempt for White America? Because the new code favors them. They no longer feel grateful and appreciative. They no longer plead for favors. No, they just make demands and act like the West is theirs to pilfer and plunder. All the great things created by Anglo whites and other whites exist to be claimed and taken by non-whites… or so the New Code says.

    If you have title to your house, it’s your house. Now, suppose there’s a homeless person and you let him in. It’s still your house because you hold the title. The title encodes the house as yours. So, your act of kindness to the homeless person is your decision. It’s your decision to let him stay or to tell him to leave.
    But suppose you decide that you’re gonna share the title with him. You tell him, “my house is your house”, and you expect the guy to be grateful and kiss your pinky. But instead, the guy feels that since he owns the title to the house just as much as you do, he will do whatever suits his fancy in the house. Also, he has friends and families who have much to gain by coming to the house. So, he calls them over. You protest, but the law no longer favors you since you shared the title with the guy. You find your house, which is no longer yours alone, filling up with more ‘new owners’ invited by the homeless guy(who is now co-owner of the house). In time, the house has a 100 people, and all those people don’t see themselves as guests but as co-owners. So, you went from owning the house to being 1/100th owner of the house. Boy, wasn’t that dumb?

    Whites in the West have only ONE way to save itself. Take back the Title to their National Property. In Europe, this is totally justified since Europe is the ancient homeland of whites. Denounce Diversity and Change as the cult of neo-imperialism and colonization. Tell non-whites to return.
    The change in the code was fatal to Europe. As Europe is so much richer than the Third World, what was likely to happen if the Code were changed? Naturally, the poor masses were gonna flock to the West for better material lives. And they were gonna call more of their kinds to share in the loot. If you feed animals, what do they do? They send out signals and more of them come. And if they initially came with gratitude and appreciation, they later come making demands for more and more and get angry if you don’t feed them.

    Nothing can be saved without the Change in the Code. Sure, they will accuse the rise of nationalism as ‘racist’, but if nationalism was good enough for the Third World in driving out white/European colonists and imperialists, it’s good enough for white people to kick out Third World mobs of usurpers. White people must reclaim the Title to their lands. And if it means war and violence to topple the vile elites and kick out foreigners, so be it. Viet Cong didn’t just hold up signs. They fought. So did the Algerians resistance fighters to drive out the French.

    The re-coding of the West to favor Diversity and Change over Solidarity and Continuity was the fatal flaw. Every society is a system, like a computer is a system. And just like a computer follows its codes, a social system functions in accordance to its legal coding and narrative drives. As long as the Code favors Diversity and Change, we can kiss the West goodbye. Diversity and Change must be properly identified and diagnosed as virus and cancer embedded into the Western DNA by vile globalist elites. They must be treated like disease that must eradicated from the core DNA of the West. Diversity and Change are like HIV. They are meant to weaken and destroy the Immune system of the West by brainwashing whites into thinking that any thought and action for self-preservation is Evil. Nationalism is an immune system to defend and conserve the social system of a people. When nationalism is attacked by globalist cancer, the immune system fails because the people are made to believe that there is nothing more evil than their desire for solidarity and continuity as a people and culture.

    White folks must rise up and attack Diversity as Demise and Change as Extinction. A great people don’t need to be replaced and ‘reinvented’. Diversity-and-Change was a case of fixing something that was not broken. The idea of ‘fixing’ the rich and stable West with dysfunctional Third World morons who wrecked or degraded their own nations was too funny, but no one got the joke because white people were ‘guilt-baited’ with Shoah and made to feel that Nationalism was the root of all evil in WWI and WWII when, in fact, both wars were the result of imperialism that violated the national sovereignty of weaker peoples.
    The real reason for the rapid recovery of the West and Japan owed to restoration of nationalism. Nazi and Japanese imperialism was defeated, and nations could be free and sovereign again.
    The new danger was that the Cold War gave rise to Soviet and American empires. But then, with the fall of communism, it seemed as though every nation in Europe would be sovereign and free. Then, there would be peace and prosperity predicated on security and stability. But then, there was globalism that led to EU neo-hegemony and expansion of US as the hyper-power that treats other nations as vassals, but then, US itself is the vassal state of a bigger power of globalist networks dominated by Zionists.

    It is because Zionists want to control the entire world that they push Diversity and Change on all nations(except Israel). With Diversity and Change as the elite mantra in every nation, nationalism will weaken as native elites will not defend their nations but serve the globalist elites who offer them lots of money and prizes if they go along. And then, every nation can be infilatrated and taken over by foreign capital and New Cosmopolitanism whose only truths are Homo Worship and Rap music.

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  34. Alden says:
    @Old fogey
    I have read very little about this story but one point stuck in my mind - that one of the women accusing the doctor of sexual abuse was examined in the presence of her mother and neither of them said anything to the doctor at the time.

    As a student in the NYC school system back in the day we were required to have physical examinations on a regular basis even though we had no symptoms of disease. Once we became teenagers that requirement was eliminated, which was a big relief to us girls because once we passed puberty a routine physical exam was expected to include the doctor putting on his gloves and you putting your feet up in the stirrups. Are internal exams for females no longer part of a general physical examination? If so, great decision, but I am flabbergasted to hear that a physician giving an internal examination to a female is now considered a criminal.

    Routine physicals for girls do not include internal gynecology exams.

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  35. Alden says:
    @Anon
    Another great episode, look forward to Saturday morning for the latest RadioDerb. Thanks for pointing out Nassar's origins, was looking feverishly last night to see if he was in the tribe. Guess I will have to settle on Seagal's latest.

    Nassar is an Arab name

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  36. US justice system is at best strange, Somebody is sentenced to two hundred years than after 3 years is released for good behavior. What is the bad behavior when you are in prison,if I may ask.
    I did like the lady judge comment it was funny.
    These cases I just cannot comprehend. do the victims have families or friends whom they could turn to and consult immediately when it happens?
    Something just does not add up to me.

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    The victims did report it to the Olympic authorities coaches and others But nothing was done. There are many articles on the internet about how the victims tried to report him.
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  37. Alden says:
    @attilathehen
    Derbyshire, you do have a point about the parents. Where were they? But, once again, you are projecting your degeneracy. Your son had to be straightened out by the USA military. His Chinese tiger mom was useless and worthless. And you being a cuck, didn't do a good job either. Your offspring will be some variation of this Nassar character.

    You once again scribble your "we are doomed" idiocy, but again you are projecting what you see in your home, i.e., your Chinese wife and offspring.

    Worst comment ever by Attila the witch.
    Go back to insulting black clergy.

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  38. @gp
    How did that comment pass moderation? It's just bile.

    What I wrote was not bile, but the truth. I think I’ve seen your initials around here, but your scribblings did not impress me.

    Do you know Derbyshire’s history? He has a Chinese wife and offspring. The imported Chinese wife and daughter voted for Obama. He wrote about this in an article. Derbyshire wrote an article “The Talk” – a talk that parents should have with their children regarding blacks. His wife and daughter did not listen to him, as their voting patterns show.

    I read his scribblings at VDare and they are unbelievable. He grew up a Christian in a Christian England but he says he is now an atheist. He wrote in a column that he doesn’t understand Chrisitians.
    Yet, he helps his Chinese wife with her pagan ancestor rituals. He writes a column that is a diary and those scribblings are also revealing.

    I have criticized him many times. He finally commented to me. I asked him a simple question: which people are better – the English or the Chinese? There is only one correct answer. He answered back with the most inane, degenerate comparison. He scribbled about it depends on what is better versus what is good, i.e., who is better or worse – Stalin or Warren Harding. Pure degeneracy and madness!!! That one could put these 2 men in the same category is beyond belief. A mass murderer versus a corrupt but not murderous American man. As a Western woman, and specifically an American woman, this is beyond the pale.

    Then he writes this column. He mentions the judge’s ethnic background. She is a Western woman, a European. No problem. Then he mentions the doctor’s ethnic background. He is a Caucasian. I would assume he is of Lebanese or Syrian extraction, and he is a Christian. Lebanese/Syrian Christians are well assimilated in the West and are Western.

    Derbyshire is married to a Chinese woman (Asians are the second race, Caucasians are first, blacks are last). The West is not Chinese and the Chinese are not liked in the West. The judge and doctor (putting his crime aside) are kosher. Derbyshire’s wife is not kosher. And yet, Derbyshire scribbles about their backgrounds. Chutzpah!!! If you don’t know Derbyshire’s background, now you do. He wrote in a column about his son joining the army to get straightened out. He puts it all out there. He deserves my criticism.

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    I'm a Derb fan, so I know about his family, and "The Talk," and so forth. Your reply is better, more substantive, than your merely bilious comment; thanks.

    Among other things, you ask "a simple question: which people are better – the English or the Chinese?" I think Derb and race realists are more interested in proving that there are scientifically proven measurable differences among the races of man, and are less interested in the normative question of which race is "better." Once the racial differences are faced objectively (not suppressed, as they are today,) each person can make his own individual judgement which is "better" according to his own norms; we have a right to inquire and form our own opinions.

    For example, if one race is, ceteris paribus, more uncontrollably violent than another, some people might judge the latter "better" than the former. That's a normative judgement, not a scientific fact. It's a judgement I would share, so sue me. If it's Derb's judgement, fine with me.

    As for Derb's family, I envy him and his. He married well. I want you to consider the proposition that men and women of opposite political views, and different races, can love and cherish each other, and have fine happy families.
    , @prusmc
    If the son needed to be straightened out the Army was not the answer: U S Marine Corps.
    , @Steve Gittelson
    Freedom of speech is good. It means that attilathehen can display his rather comical misconceptions for everyone to see, and for everyone to laugh at.

    In fact, there's nothing I like better than to see a warped personality like attilahen pour out his hatred. Good for him, and the bestest ever warning for the rest of us.
    , @Alden
    i Thought you despised non European Christians to the point of leaving the Catholic Church* because it has non European clergy.

    * proof that you never were a catholic is the fact that you refer to it as the RCC. Catholics never never do that. I think you’re confusing it with the C of E.
    , @Twinkie

    The imported Chinese wife
     
    To borrow your terminology, didn’t Mr. Derbyshire import himself (illegally) here?
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  39. J.Ross says: • Website

    I said this at Steve’s place and maybe I’m not the first to observe it here, but unmentioned in this column, deeply disturbing, and (to my sea lawyer ears) alien to our legal traditions, was Inquisitor Aquilina’s People’s Court style parade of accusers, climaxing in the father of a victim telling Nassar that he hoped that Nassar would be repeatedly raped.
    Now, as a perverted Satanist with a lay grasp of our Constitution (which God save, from law professors), I am actually in favor of death by hanging or shooting for proven rapists and molesters (and of penalties for false accusations). But without irony or hypocrisy I do not think you have any right to spit on the man you are about to hang. One action is rational and justified by past crime and future danger, and one is just animal passion without any particular stopping point — it is itself a crime, in a way that hanging a convicted rapist is not.
    Everyone hears about crowded dockets and long-delayed justice. Inquisitor Aquilina made a point of clearing her schedule to make room to accommodate every victim and every relative of a victim who wanted to jeer the condemned with rape threats. I don’t think it’s defending the guy to say that this was inappropriate.

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  40. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    White Latin-Americans are driven by resentment.

    They hate the fact that Anglos in the North did so much better than Latins in the South.

    They hate the fact that Anglos and whites in the US didn’t race-mix much and remained mostly and did so well. In contrast, Latinos in the South raped the natives and race-mixed a lot. Also, even in Europe, Latins were more race-mixed to begin with due to Moorish invasion and etc.

    So, how do white Latin Americans deal with their inferiority complex? They come to America and lay claim to it in the name of Diversity because whiteness is ‘racism’. Even though Latin American elites are whites who lord over non-whites in Latin America, they pretend to be non-white people of color in solidarity with blacks and immigrants.

    But all this BS is really fueled by resentment and envy at Anglo success.
    When Anglo-Americans were confident, they took pride in their success and pushed weak and corrupt Latin America around. But because of rise of PC that de-legitimized white pride and power, Latin whites(as ‘people of color’) talk big about transforming America for the better with Diversity. In fact, they want to take over America because they ruined their own nations. And they meal ticket to the US is playing the PC tune of Diversity.

    There is only one way to deal with rotten Latin elites. Since Latin whites use Diversity against white Americans, white Americans should rile up non-whites against Latin white elites in Latin nations. Have the non-whites rise up and tear limb from limb scumbags like Guillermo Del Toro.
    And since Jews use Diversity against whites, whites should reciprocate in kind and side with Palestinians and any people against Jews.

    This is all too bad. Europeans, white Americans, Jews, and Latin whites could all have gone along well to create a rich and peaceful world. But instead, Jews and Latin whites decide scapegoat goyim or yanqui for all the problems of the world while hugging diversity as their moral brethren. But this is a total fraud since Latin whites have always lorded over non-whites in Latin America, and Jews have been stomping Palestinians forever and ripping off black musicians and athletes.

    If Jews and Latin whites keep playing dirty, then white Americans have no choice but to rile up non-whites against Latin elites and side with Muslims and any non-white group against Jews as the real super-privileged group.

    It’s the last call. Are Jews and Latin Whites gonna stop playing this dirty game and ally with other whites as part of the West? Or are they gonna play both ways, maintaining their own ‘white privilege’ while blaming White Yanqui gentiles for all the problems in the world?

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    Interesting, but you might be in the wrong thread.
    , @Wally
    "There is only one way to deal with rotten Latin elites. Since Latin whites use Diversity against white Americans, white Americans should rile up non-whites against Latin white elites in Latin nations. Have the non-whites rise up and tear limb from limb scumbags like Guillermo Del Toro.
    But this is a total fraud since Latin whites have always lorded over non-whites in Latin America, "

    I wonder why Del Toro says nothing of the all Euro-white Mexican Congress.

    https://www.vosizneias.com/assets/uploads/news_photos/thumbnails/800_velbbsqa1abaemdvdohe1pwyilzloavq.jpg

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  41. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Jonathan Mason
    Yes, the Sex Offenders Registry is the modern equivalent of the pillory.

    What is incredible is how many people are on the list. There are 9 within a mile of my home and 354 within 5 miles. If they were to unite, they would be a powerful force.

    I had a housemate who was on that list for consensual sex with a lying girl who was days from being legal. She remained in love with him enough to show up at his every trial and try to put in a good word for his character. But we in our arrogance have tied the position of “district attorney” to the gamble of politics, and a record of convicting “pedophiles” always sounds good in November. He went into the System and never came out. He never got a job or his own place. As a Registree, every night-time sound or emotional display brought multiple police cars. And one day he had enough of convincing cops that he was not a threat to anyone through abject self-confessions and impotent begging. He arrived at a new method of permanently ending all his sexual activities, societally approved or not, and of guaranteeing the public that he would be no danger to anyone.
    For some bizarre reason I see him wimpering and fumbling the safety when I read about the health, happiness, and of course the long and richly deserved life of the government of Belgium. At least we have that Registry. Just think what it’s protecting us from.

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    He arrived at a new method of permanently ending all his sexual activities, societally approved or not, and of guaranteeing the public that he would be no danger to anyone.
     
    Sorry to hear that. Was this suicide or castration?
    , @Anon
    If your stupid housemate could have restrained himself for a few days, he would have been fine. He knew what the law said as well as anyone else did. But no, he made the decision that he wasn't going to control himself, even though he could easily have made a different decision and had a different fate. It was entirely his own fault.
    , @Truth

    I had a housemate who was on that list for consensual sex with a lying girl who was days from being legal. She remained in love with him enough to show up at his every trial and try to put in a good word for his character.
     
    Then why didn't the dumbshit just marry her before the trial?
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  42. Clyde says:

    Attorney John Manly, who represents more than 100 victims in civil lawsuits, has argued that Nassar was supported in his abuse by institutions like USA Gymnastics. ____ http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/16/us/larry-nassar-sentencing-gymnastics/index.html

    Nassar molested more than 100 girls so I have no problem giving him a life sentence without possibility of parole. . So although no girls were raped or assaulted, the sheer numbers make him very very loathsome and guilty. Though with all the civil lawsuits some girls are exaggerating the abuse and hopping on the lawsuit gravy train with their parents.

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    the sheer numbers make him very very loathsome and guilty
     
    He was allowed to do that.

    In Switzerland, if you drive over 200 kph on the highway (speed limit: 120 kph), you’re going to prison for a couple years. Now your driving license will immediately be taken away from you. Imagine if they let you do that every day at night (when there’s little traffic) in your Lambo (one of the safest cars for speeding), and then, after twenty years, they suddenly arrested you and charged you with all the previous cases and put you in prison for 200 years. It wouldn’t be reasonable, would it?

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  43. You know there’s a reason to have male and female doctors in such environments. I heard this tale diving somewhere, while NPR was on.

    My immediate reaction was . . . .

    There’s a reason to have male and female physicians in such scenarios. It’s no guarantee , but it’s just wise

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  44. Hacienda says:
    @Renoman
    You better hide John, they'll be gunnin fer ya.

    You better hide John, they’ll be gunnin fer ya.

    A labor camp for Derb. If I’m the guard, I’ll be sure Derb enjoys his time there. A shovel and a pick instead of a keyboard and pen. A life altering change in tools. For the better, no doubt. If the gang at Amren joins him, they’ll have a great time. A life wasted in 5 % intellectual/95 % pseudo-intellectual pursuits, alienated fear of lower IQs and race-baiting, nit-pick snobbery, and other assorted corruptions of analytical elitism. Better to move a ton of dirt from here to there like the Mexicans do, especially with the likes of Steve Sailer, Jared Taylor, Richard Spencer (the chain gang). I’ll be sure to get all the books- Hamlet, City of God, The Critique of Pure Reason, Principia Mathematica, Walden, The Home Depot Guide to Woodworking. All the Skittles, M&Ms, beef jerky you need. You will all come out of it better for the experience.

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    Be careful what you wish for halfwit, the Derb digs a mean hole.
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  45. gp says:
    @attilathehen
    What I wrote was not bile, but the truth. I think I've seen your initials around here, but your scribblings did not impress me.

    Do you know Derbyshire's history? He has a Chinese wife and offspring. The imported Chinese wife and daughter voted for Obama. He wrote about this in an article. Derbyshire wrote an article "The Talk" - a talk that parents should have with their children regarding blacks. His wife and daughter did not listen to him, as their voting patterns show.

    I read his scribblings at VDare and they are unbelievable. He grew up a Christian in a Christian England but he says he is now an atheist. He wrote in a column that he doesn't understand Chrisitians.
    Yet, he helps his Chinese wife with her pagan ancestor rituals. He writes a column that is a diary and those scribblings are also revealing.

    I have criticized him many times. He finally commented to me. I asked him a simple question: which people are better - the English or the Chinese? There is only one correct answer. He answered back with the most inane, degenerate comparison. He scribbled about it depends on what is better versus what is good, i.e., who is better or worse - Stalin or Warren Harding. Pure degeneracy and madness!!! That one could put these 2 men in the same category is beyond belief. A mass murderer versus a corrupt but not murderous American man. As a Western woman, and specifically an American woman, this is beyond the pale.

    Then he writes this column. He mentions the judge's ethnic background. She is a Western woman, a European. No problem. Then he mentions the doctor's ethnic background. He is a Caucasian. I would assume he is of Lebanese or Syrian extraction, and he is a Christian. Lebanese/Syrian Christians are well assimilated in the West and are Western.

    Derbyshire is married to a Chinese woman (Asians are the second race, Caucasians are first, blacks are last). The West is not Chinese and the Chinese are not liked in the West. The judge and doctor (putting his crime aside) are kosher. Derbyshire's wife is not kosher. And yet, Derbyshire scribbles about their backgrounds. Chutzpah!!! If you don't know Derbyshire's background, now you do. He wrote in a column about his son joining the army to get straightened out. He puts it all out there. He deserves my criticism.

    I’m a Derb fan, so I know about his family, and “The Talk,” and so forth. Your reply is better, more substantive, than your merely bilious comment; thanks.

    Among other things, you ask “a simple question: which people are better – the English or the Chinese?” I think Derb and race realists are more interested in proving that there are scientifically proven measurable differences among the races of man, and are less interested in the normative question of which race is “better.” Once the racial differences are faced objectively (not suppressed, as they are today,) each person can make his own individual judgement which is “better” according to his own norms; we have a right to inquire and form our own opinions.

    For example, if one race is, ceteris paribus, more uncontrollably violent than another, some people might judge the latter “better” than the former. That’s a normative judgement, not a scientific fact. It’s a judgement I would share, so sue me. If it’s Derb’s judgement, fine with me.

    As for Derb’s family, I envy him and his. He married well. I want you to consider the proposition that men and women of opposite political views, and different races, can love and cherish each other, and have fine happy families.

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    You are one degenerate cuck. You envy Derbyshire? WOW!!! Are you trying to import an Asian woman into the USA? People of different political view and races can love each? You sound like a teenager. I don't respect liberal men because logically they are idiots. Blacks/Asians are inferior races so why would a Caucasian pollute his offspring's bloodline? I listed facts about his worthless spawn and you consider them a fine family? WOW!!! I did give Derbyshire a chance. Asian genes can be recessive over time. What he would have to do is go to an AmRen conference and announce that he knows the West is best, being white is best and then his wife and children would have to go on stage and say the same thing. They would give thanks for being a part of the West. But when Derbyshire gave me his Stalin/Harding comparison, he basically stated that the Chinese are superior to whites. I don't know if he realizes that the Japanese are smarter than the Chinese. The Japanese are still inferior to Caucasians/Europeans though.
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  46. Given what we now know about the NSA, back doors, Vault 7 and so forth, I think it would be a fairly trivial matter to implant child pornography on the computer of anybody they were trying to frame. For that reason, I do find the lengthy sentence for the first, federal crime to be just a little concerning.

    And while I’m certainly no lawyer, it wouldn’t surprise me if the judge’s remarks at the second trial furnished some sort of grounds for appeal. Deliberately alluding to prison rape in an apophasis on the 8th Amendment, and then signing a rhetorical “death warrant” from the bench, goes beyond the pale of mere verbal excess. This woman is pushing the boundaries of legal terminology, not to mention abusing her authority in a way not dissimilar to what Nassar was convicted of doing.

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  47. Wally says:
    @Rich
    Grown men who sexually molest underage girls deserve the death penalty. In NY I've read of men who raped children under the age of five and were released to rape again after just a few years. For verification, just go to the Megan's Law website. I would certainly be willing to pull the lever to hang them in the town square, or be part of the firing squad.

    Mr Derbyshire should read the sports pages of the Post. A writer named Larry Brooks recently took the NHL to task for hiring Kid Rock to perform at this years All-Star game, because he often performs in front of a Confederate flag and once asked why we had to hear so much about homosexuals. Mr Brooks made no objection last year when Snoop Dogg was invited to play at the NHL All-Star game. Can't escape "goodwhites" wherever you go.

    said:
    “Grown men who sexually molest underage girls deserve the death penalty.”

    What about grown men who sexually molest underage boys?
    A free pass?

    As for Larry ‘Brooks’ & the Kid Rock thing, recall that BET hosted a cocktail party with the Obamas on the South Lawn of the White House in late October [2016], highlights included: Usher leading the crowd in a call-and-response: “Say it loud, I’m black and I’m proud.”

    What would they say if a White musician was on the South Lawn of the White House leading an overwhelmingly White crowd in a call-and-response: “Say it loud, I’m White and I’m proud.”
    The real story here is that calling whites ‘racist’ doesn’t work anymore.

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    They deserve the death penalty in either case, I wrote "underage girls" because Nassar had assaulted females under his care. Actually, I support the death penalty in all cases of rape, which was not an uncommon sentence in the recent past.
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  48. @gp
    How did that comment pass moderation? It's just bile.

    Why should comments be “moderated” i.e. Censored, you fascist piece of crap? (POC).

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    Why should comments be “moderated” i.e. Censored, you fascist piece of crap? (POC).
     
    Why? Because assault is assault, and libel is libel. The (imo, valid) argument that forum postings are protected opinion, by nature, always runs into trouble with various DAs and virtue-hunting legal appendages.

    I operated forums for years, always in the fond belief that content was "free speech". When a corrupt government wants to stop you, they will.

    But, hey, start your own.
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  49. El Dato says:
    @SMK
    The sex crime laws of Michigan and the penalties inflicted on offenders, especially those who have sex with young men and women under statutory age, are hideously draconian. They're not just irrational, iniquitous, and grotesquely excessive and disproportionate. They're insane. Actually, to call then insane is an understatement, They're beyond insanity.

    To give but one example: the generic age of consent in Michigan is 16. So men ages 18 to 80 --apparently including violent and recidivist criminals who've never been convicted of a sexual offense- are free to have sex with girls of 16 and 17. But women teachers who have love affairs or engage in one act of coitus or fellatio with male students, even those one day short of their 16th birthdays, are guilty of a felony with a maximum sentence of 25-year to life in prison and a mandatory minimum of 8-25 years and a lifetime of draconian/Orwellian persecution.

    Because someone somewhere may be having fun that an old vindictive hag missed out on, and that is intolerable.

    Bring back public witch hangings to give the angry people some public release of their pent-up sexual frustrations, I say.

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  50. @SMK
    The sex crime laws of Michigan and the penalties inflicted on offenders, especially those who have sex with young men and women under statutory age, are hideously draconian. They're not just irrational, iniquitous, and grotesquely excessive and disproportionate. They're insane. Actually, to call then insane is an understatement, They're beyond insanity.

    To give but one example: the generic age of consent in Michigan is 16. So men ages 18 to 80 --apparently including violent and recidivist criminals who've never been convicted of a sexual offense- are free to have sex with girls of 16 and 17. But women teachers who have love affairs or engage in one act of coitus or fellatio with male students, even those one day short of their 16th birthdays, are guilty of a felony with a maximum sentence of 25-year to life in prison and a mandatory minimum of 8-25 years and a lifetime of draconian/Orwellian persecution.

    White tra$h are that silly Lilly domesticated homer Simpsons who don’t understand that a limit of age is often artificial and that after certain biological age most humans are perfectly capable to feel sexually attracted and have kids and in most hunter gathers communities people rise their families when they are adolescents probably because they no have time enough to expect a artificial judicial age to become legally adult.

    I’m not necessarily defending adolescent sexual initiation.. I’m just trying to point out how little bit more meticulous this subject is specially about adolescence sexuality and adult participation. It’s also is not a autobiographical defense even because I wasn’t a sexually active adolescent.

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    So there shouldn't be an age of consent, is that your position?
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  51. When a leader of certain movement is a jewess as “ALLY” RAISMAN… What I know about abuse is that after a person specially a sensitive one was abused she tend to become traumatic AND many of this girls (now women) were abused even during Olympic games and some of them won medals… I put in the clothes of a woman who was sexually abused (and I know for most women sex is a very sensitive topic) and I try to understand how I would feel myself or react after my body has had vandalized without my permission. In the end was found a child pornography in its house…

    Another issue I find very suspicious is that in the Wikipedia Nassar is described a … Arab man. Arab??? He came from Saudi Arabia?? He look like more levantine than “Arab”. Maybe it’s just a wrong suspicious. What I know is that all this alleged abuse AND judiciary taking this allegations fundamentally as a evidence of abuse look like quite complicated because it could create a state where anyone with just its accusations could be capable to jail anyone even without evidence.

    Traumatized and not traumatic

    Just speculations as always

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    He look like more levantine than “Arab”.
     
    How many "Arabs" have "Larry" as their given name?
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  52. @Steve Gittelson
    Awww, Derby ... Nassar is being made an example of. And an excellent example it is! I say "Bully!"

    Me, I would hang the worthless scumbag from the nearest cottonwood, judgment based on hyperbolic disgust. Step on him like a scuttling cockroach.

    In other words, Personal blood-lust revenge is fine, including for a Judge who is trained and qualified to know much better. And fuck any pretence to impartial, legislatorally-framed justice ?

    Good to know your feelings.

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    In other words, Personal blood-lust revenge is fine, including for a Judge who is trained and qualified to know much better. And fuck any pretence to impartial, legislatorally-framed justice ?
     
    I didn't say that. You are lying.

    Now, I do encourage the ravers to rave. Good luck with that. The term "shit for brains" does come to mind.
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  53. @Anon
    White Latin-Americans are driven by resentment.

    They hate the fact that Anglos in the North did so much better than Latins in the South.

    They hate the fact that Anglos and whites in the US didn't race-mix much and remained mostly and did so well. In contrast, Latinos in the South raped the natives and race-mixed a lot. Also, even in Europe, Latins were more race-mixed to begin with due to Moorish invasion and etc.

    So, how do white Latin Americans deal with their inferiority complex? They come to America and lay claim to it in the name of Diversity because whiteness is 'racism'. Even though Latin American elites are whites who lord over non-whites in Latin America, they pretend to be non-white people of color in solidarity with blacks and immigrants.

    But all this BS is really fueled by resentment and envy at Anglo success.
    When Anglo-Americans were confident, they took pride in their success and pushed weak and corrupt Latin America around. But because of rise of PC that de-legitimized white pride and power, Latin whites(as 'people of color') talk big about transforming America for the better with Diversity. In fact, they want to take over America because they ruined their own nations. And they meal ticket to the US is playing the PC tune of Diversity.

    There is only one way to deal with rotten Latin elites. Since Latin whites use Diversity against white Americans, white Americans should rile up non-whites against Latin white elites in Latin nations. Have the non-whites rise up and tear limb from limb scumbags like Guillermo Del Toro.
    And since Jews use Diversity against whites, whites should reciprocate in kind and side with Palestinians and any people against Jews.

    This is all too bad. Europeans, white Americans, Jews, and Latin whites could all have gone along well to create a rich and peaceful world. But instead, Jews and Latin whites decide scapegoat goyim or yanqui for all the problems of the world while hugging diversity as their moral brethren. But this is a total fraud since Latin whites have always lorded over non-whites in Latin America, and Jews have been stomping Palestinians forever and ripping off black musicians and athletes.

    If Jews and Latin whites keep playing dirty, then white Americans have no choice but to rile up non-whites against Latin elites and side with Muslims and any non-white group against Jews as the real super-privileged group.

    It's the last call. Are Jews and Latin Whites gonna stop playing this dirty game and ally with other whites as part of the West? Or are they gonna play both ways, maintaining their own 'white privilege' while blaming White Yanqui gentiles for all the problems in the world?

    Interesting, but you might be in the wrong thread.

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  54. @Joe Stalin
    IL Democrat Gov. Rod Blagojevich got 14-year prison sentence and he didn't even kill anyone!

    Not to mention, Blagojevich barely committed a crime. Do you think any governor has ever given away a Senate appointment for nothing? Blagojevich’s “crime” was being a little too honest about the appointment process.

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    Didn't Blago make a veiled threat against Obama? I'm surprised they let Blogo live.
    , @flyingtiger
    Blago was convicted of talking to himself. The prosecution never offered evidence that Blago, received or offered a bribe. The tapes were of him talking out loud about what he wants. The only person present was his wife who laughed along. Oddly enough, she was never arrested. Blago could have used many historical examples of statesmen making deals, but he was too stupid to do so. His sentence was extreme. A few years later someone was convicted of actually bribing someone, and had previous convictions in this area. He got only 3-5 years.
    Blago was a congressman for 6 years, and was just elected to his second term as governor. Hew treated by the State- representatives-for-life and the Alderman-for-life as some errand boy. Blago wanted some respect. He thought this was the way. Blago had the chance to take over the democratic machine. He fumbled his chance. He was a great campaigner and could have been president, but when the chance came, he fumbled. Mistakes in politics are merciless.
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  55. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Hacienda

    You better hide John, they’ll be gunnin fer ya.
     
    A labor camp for Derb. If I'm the guard, I'll be sure Derb enjoys his time there. A shovel and a pick instead of a keyboard and pen. A life altering change in tools. For the better, no doubt. If the gang at Amren joins him, they'll have a great time. A life wasted in 5 % intellectual/95 % pseudo-intellectual pursuits, alienated fear of lower IQs and race-baiting, nit-pick snobbery, and other assorted corruptions of analytical elitism. Better to move a ton of dirt from here to there like the Mexicans do, especially with the likes of Steve Sailer, Jared Taylor, Richard Spencer (the chain gang). I'll be sure to get all the books- Hamlet, City of God, The Critique of Pure Reason, Principia Mathematica, Walden, The Home Depot Guide to Woodworking. All the Skittles, M&Ms, beef jerky you need. You will all come out of it better for the experience.

    Be careful what you wish for halfwit, the Derb digs a mean hole.

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  56. Lara says:

    Thinking of all the bad things that could happen to me, having a doctor briefly molest me is pretty low on the list. This judge is ridiculous.

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  57. Polymath says:

    The main issue of any practical importance is simply whether consecutive sentences for multiple offenses of the same type against different victims are permissible. There is no doubt about his guilt and even at 1 year per victim he would never get out of jail.

    Legally, there is no bar to consecutive sentences for acts committed independently at different times. So this is not a promising cause.

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  58. anonomy says:

    Since when do women get physical exams by a man and another woman is not in the room? What parent allows their underage child to be examined without a parent or guardian being present? There are ways for all people to protect themselves during physicals.

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    It happens all the time. Maybe at one time it was common to have a woman present but it’s been decades since that protocol was observed.

    And how would a young girl know to demand a chaperone be present?
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    The girls at the Olympics didn't even have a clinic for these "treatments." Nassar was given keys to their hotel rooms and he let himself in any time he liked. The girls who dared to complain were gaslighted: he's a respected doctor, all the gymnasts get treated by him, well if you're in that much physical discomfort maybe you aren't fit to compete....

    Unlike normal adolescents, these girls have little social interaction. Jennifer Sey (read her memoir "Chalked Up") lost her drive somewhere between becoming National Champion and the next Olympics, in part because she was in high school and had never even been on a date. They spend most of their time at the gym. They're unlikely to confide in the girls at the gym, because of what if the competition uses private info against you and gets your spot on a event? You're supposed to work through that sore knee or twisted disk, so get tough or get out.

    Meanwhile, average girls know more at 12 than elite gymnasts know at 17. They never got those classic girl-talks beloved of bathroom breaks and sleepovers, where the girls exchange info on how far to go on which date without being either a prude or a slut, whether So-and-So is a user, and what amount of period pain is normal. Not that the period pain talk would be much use, since the intense training meant Sey got her first cycle at 20, Kathy Johnson at 25. Many of the girls have fertility problems in adult life, and some have osteoporosis before 30: their bodies think they're in menopause, and it's even worse if they cut out dairy to make weight.

    Again, I fault their parents, who don't seem to care that their little prodigy might want to be a mother herself some day, and that she is too young to understand what she may be forfeiting by training so early.

    And again, it was not like this in the early days of gymnastics, when training didn't start so young, and graceful, dance-influenced moves were the focus, not hitting as many rotations as your stunted little body can manage.

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  59. @SMK
    "Justice" in Michigan! In Jan. of 2015, in Grand Rapids, Abigail Simon was sentenced to 8-25 years in prison, the mandatory minimum, and a lifetime of electronic parole-monitoring with an ankle-tether/"bracelet she can never remove (not even when showering, bathing, having sex) and public sex-offender registration as a uniquely dangerous and degenerate criminal, for having sex with a 15-year-old student and biological man who she claims forced himself on her and "controlled her life" by threats and intimidation. And shortly thereafter, Kathryn Ronk was sentenced to 6-15 years in prison, under a plea-bargain, for having sex with a 15-year-old male student.

    And for each year they're enslaved, in Detroit alone, nameless low-IQ brutes and savages who should be in prison commit hundreds of rapes and murders and thousands of other violent and mala in se crimes: aggravated assaults, attempted murder, muggings, armed robberies, gang-shootings, burglaries, vandalism, etc.

    I’m not unsympathetic, but remember, the Feminists™ wanted the same standards for women as for men, so now this happens. The sentence may not be just, but the cause is falsely treating unlike things as if they were like, which is the basis of Feminism™. Don’t like these outcomes? Remove the cause. Remove Feminism™.

    OTOH, while you are correct that the 15 year old “biological men” with whom they had sex were probably not really harmed in a way that justifies the 15- and 25-year sentences the women got, there were still victims: the women’s husbands and the communities who employed them to teach their young impartially rather than to go on sex benders with them. Unfortunately, again due to Feminism, these victims are now discounted. In the more enlightened ages of the past, these women still would have been prosecuted and penalized, just for more valid reasons.

    So in summary, the real problem is the false dogma of Feminism™. The cure is the truth of redpilled realism.

    Fine print: Yes, Simon claimed the 15 year old forced himself on her, but her lingerie-clad messages professing “love” to him suggest otherwise. Ronk’s sentence was not “under” plea bargain but in addition to a plea bargain. In other words, she was hooking up with a lot of her pupils.

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    In the more enlightened ages of the past, these women still would have been prosecuted and penalized, just for more valid reasons.
     
    No, more likely they would have lost their jobs and been shamed out of town.

    But then, how often did this kind of thing happen in our grandpappies' day?
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  60. prusmc says:
    @attilathehen
    What I wrote was not bile, but the truth. I think I've seen your initials around here, but your scribblings did not impress me.

    Do you know Derbyshire's history? He has a Chinese wife and offspring. The imported Chinese wife and daughter voted for Obama. He wrote about this in an article. Derbyshire wrote an article "The Talk" - a talk that parents should have with their children regarding blacks. His wife and daughter did not listen to him, as their voting patterns show.

    I read his scribblings at VDare and they are unbelievable. He grew up a Christian in a Christian England but he says he is now an atheist. He wrote in a column that he doesn't understand Chrisitians.
    Yet, he helps his Chinese wife with her pagan ancestor rituals. He writes a column that is a diary and those scribblings are also revealing.

    I have criticized him many times. He finally commented to me. I asked him a simple question: which people are better - the English or the Chinese? There is only one correct answer. He answered back with the most inane, degenerate comparison. He scribbled about it depends on what is better versus what is good, i.e., who is better or worse - Stalin or Warren Harding. Pure degeneracy and madness!!! That one could put these 2 men in the same category is beyond belief. A mass murderer versus a corrupt but not murderous American man. As a Western woman, and specifically an American woman, this is beyond the pale.

    Then he writes this column. He mentions the judge's ethnic background. She is a Western woman, a European. No problem. Then he mentions the doctor's ethnic background. He is a Caucasian. I would assume he is of Lebanese or Syrian extraction, and he is a Christian. Lebanese/Syrian Christians are well assimilated in the West and are Western.

    Derbyshire is married to a Chinese woman (Asians are the second race, Caucasians are first, blacks are last). The West is not Chinese and the Chinese are not liked in the West. The judge and doctor (putting his crime aside) are kosher. Derbyshire's wife is not kosher. And yet, Derbyshire scribbles about their backgrounds. Chutzpah!!! If you don't know Derbyshire's background, now you do. He wrote in a column about his son joining the army to get straightened out. He puts it all out there. He deserves my criticism.

    If the son needed to be straightened out the Army was not the answer: U S Marine Corps.

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  61. geokat62 says:
    @Santoculto
    When a leader of certain movement is a jewess as "ALLY" RAISMAN... What I know about abuse is that after a person specially a sensitive one was abused she tend to become traumatic AND many of this girls (now women) were abused even during Olympic games and some of them won medals... I put in the clothes of a woman who was sexually abused (and I know for most women sex is a very sensitive topic) and I try to understand how I would feel myself or react after my body has had vandalized without my permission. In the end was found a child pornography in its house...

    Another issue I find very suspicious is that in the Wikipedia Nassar is described a ... Arab man. Arab??? He came from Saudi Arabia?? He look like more levantine than "Arab". Maybe it's just a wrong suspicious. What I know is that all this alleged abuse AND judiciary taking this allegations fundamentally as a evidence of abuse look like quite complicated because it could create a state where anyone with just its accusations could be capable to jail anyone even without evidence.

    Traumatized and not traumatic

    Just speculations as always

    He look like more levantine than “Arab”.

    How many “Arabs” have “Larry” as their given name?

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    Exactly... Maybe he is a Christian (((or)))

    Larry al-arabyya Nassar
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  62. Dr. X says:
    @Diversity Heretic
    I remember the highly inappropriate behavior of the female trial judge in the Georges Zimmerman case. Women, in general, lack judicial temperament and ought not to be on the bench (or practicing law, for that matter).

    Women, in general, lack judicial temperament and ought not to be on the bench (or practicing law, for that matter).

    c.f Sotomayor, Sonia, and Ginsburg, Ruth B.

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    Women, in general, lack judicial temperament and ought not to be on the bench (or practicing law, for that matter).

    c.f Sotomayor, Sonia, and Ginsburg, Ruth B.
     
    Funny you should mention that, Old Sport; how would one know?


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDILliQYaWM
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  63. Two points.

    My understanding is that the trial phase had, what was it, 10 accusers testifying and also answering cross examination — the Constitutional right of confronting one’s accusers. The sentencing phase had the judge permitting testimony from a much larger number of accusers.

    Why only 10 women testifying at trial? Testifying and responding to cross examination is not a trivial thing for the witness, so the prosecution balanced making their case through corroborating witnesses against subjecting more witnesses to this process. But permitting many more witnesses at the sentencing phase, woman who were not subject to cross examination, this sounds like something for an appellate court panel to evaluate?

    Then there is the death-warrant remark? Not only does it work against impartiality of the judge, it opens the question as to whether committing a person to prison under such circumstances has a reasonable expectation that they won’t live out their natural life? We joke about extrajudicial punishment at the hands of other prisoners, it is a scandal of our prison system that such extrajudicial punishment is a fact of prison life and death, but for a judge to make such a remark? Could an appeals court rule that the judge was meting out the sentence with a reasonable expectation that the prisoner won’t die of natural causes in prison? That opens up all manner of trouble.

    The man is convicted and is handed a severe sentence, so why did the trial judge do this?

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    "[S]o why did the trial judge do this?"

    Because she's an aspiring TV star and/or incapable of setting aside her passions.

    The prosecutor -- who may share the same shortcomings -- will have to come up with something else if your question is asked by an appellate court.
    , @Alden
    Appellate courts only deal with the trial itself, not the sentencing. The sentence must be in accord with the applicable state and federal sentencing guidelines. But with 10 cases for which he was convicted a separate sentence for each conviction was in accord with Michigan law.

    If Nassar has any money left he could probably convince an attorney to appeal the sentence.
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  64. Nassar was convicted just last month in federal court on charges related to possessing, creating, and destroying child pornography.

    You can got to jail for destroying the stuff? So the federal government is enforcing some kind of law of preservation of child pornography?

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    If the government decides something is evidence and you destroyed it or attempted to, then they will charge you with a crime.
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  65. @Patrick Sullivan
    I think you're way off target here, Derb. Nassar wasn't just some neighborhood pervert who tried to cop a feel while standing in line behind some girls. He was a physician in a position of trust and responsibility who used and abused that trust for his own.

    The victims testified during the trial that they thought his touching was part of the treatment, embarrassing as it was. That may not seem very intelligent or sensible of them, but there's no law saying a 13 year-old has to be very sensible and in fact she usually isn't, which is why we have laws to protect her. And in many cases their mistaken impression that Nassar's actions were legitimate medical ones was backed up by what they'd been led to believe. If every time a girl had a pulled groin muscle or similar injury she was treated by the assigned, trusted team physician with intrusive personal massing and the like, it was reasonable for her to conclude that that was the correct treatment.

    As for what you regard as an overly harsh or long sentence, Nassar assaulted over 160 girls and young women, many of them numerous times. Ten years would be less than a month served per victim. The logic in Norway seems to be that if you kill 90 teenagers you can only get the same sentence you could get for killing one. That type of thinking has never really caught on in the US except on the anti-punishment Left. And regarding ensuring he wouldn't be allowed to be around young girls if he did get out in ten years or less as still a relatively young man, there is no ensuring any such thing once he's out. You can write it on his parole papers but you can't keep him away from young girls if he's powerfully motivated to reoffend, as so many sex offenders are.

    I do agree with you on Aquilina's over the top sentencing harangue (which was a lot about her) and her gleefully judgmental condemnation. Yes, her hint that the 8th Amendment should perhaps be sidestepped in Nassar's case is unseemly to say the least.

    Ten years would be less than a month served per victim.

    Nasser’s conviction for child pornography reportedly involved the possession of 37,000 images. How many seconds or minutes per image would Derbyshire consider prudent? He can, however, rest assured that in April 2017, Nassar’s state medical license was only revoked for a period of three years.

    According to Wikipedia, Nassar got his start working with female gymnasts at the tender age of 15. Probably not a wise appointment for a boy on the verge of manhood.

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  66. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    When I read the specific mention of the perp’s origin in the title, I fully expected a racist rant from Deplorable Derb, the Islamophobe.

    It was mildly surprising that the essay was somewhat supportive of this “Arab-American” lowlife.

    Then it became clear that said lowlife was not a Muslim after all… much to the chagrin of Islamophobes everywhere, I am sure. :)

    I have only contempt for both this convict, as well as all the “athletes\starlets…,” who subject themselves to such obvious exploitation, willingly or unwillingly is immaterial, for a shot at fame and fortune.

    On a slightly different note, I see some discussion between posters about which people (race) are better. Let me just say, given the decadency and godlessness of the self-perceived advanced races, that the manner they will be viewed during Judgement time… they are all pathetic.

    Let us all witness how much, discovering Penicillin, and inventing Computers, and so on, help in easing the torment of the Fire.

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  67. @attilathehen
    What I wrote was not bile, but the truth. I think I've seen your initials around here, but your scribblings did not impress me.

    Do you know Derbyshire's history? He has a Chinese wife and offspring. The imported Chinese wife and daughter voted for Obama. He wrote about this in an article. Derbyshire wrote an article "The Talk" - a talk that parents should have with their children regarding blacks. His wife and daughter did not listen to him, as their voting patterns show.

    I read his scribblings at VDare and they are unbelievable. He grew up a Christian in a Christian England but he says he is now an atheist. He wrote in a column that he doesn't understand Chrisitians.
    Yet, he helps his Chinese wife with her pagan ancestor rituals. He writes a column that is a diary and those scribblings are also revealing.

    I have criticized him many times. He finally commented to me. I asked him a simple question: which people are better - the English or the Chinese? There is only one correct answer. He answered back with the most inane, degenerate comparison. He scribbled about it depends on what is better versus what is good, i.e., who is better or worse - Stalin or Warren Harding. Pure degeneracy and madness!!! That one could put these 2 men in the same category is beyond belief. A mass murderer versus a corrupt but not murderous American man. As a Western woman, and specifically an American woman, this is beyond the pale.

    Then he writes this column. He mentions the judge's ethnic background. She is a Western woman, a European. No problem. Then he mentions the doctor's ethnic background. He is a Caucasian. I would assume he is of Lebanese or Syrian extraction, and he is a Christian. Lebanese/Syrian Christians are well assimilated in the West and are Western.

    Derbyshire is married to a Chinese woman (Asians are the second race, Caucasians are first, blacks are last). The West is not Chinese and the Chinese are not liked in the West. The judge and doctor (putting his crime aside) are kosher. Derbyshire's wife is not kosher. And yet, Derbyshire scribbles about their backgrounds. Chutzpah!!! If you don't know Derbyshire's background, now you do. He wrote in a column about his son joining the army to get straightened out. He puts it all out there. He deserves my criticism.

    Freedom of speech is good. It means that attilathehen can display his rather comical misconceptions for everyone to see, and for everyone to laugh at.

    In fact, there’s nothing I like better than to see a warped personality like attilahen pour out his hatred. Good for him, and the bestest ever warning for the rest of us.

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    In fact, there’s nothing I like better than to see a warped personality like attilahen pour out his [sic] hatred.
     
    How much does the SPLC pay him by the word? They're notoriously rich, but also notoriously cheap.
    , @Bolteric
    The commentator Attila the Hen appears to be female, refers to herself as a “Western woman.” She does make a couple good points but is over the top.
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  68. @Dave Bowman
    In other words, Personal blood-lust revenge is fine, including for a Judge who is trained and qualified to know much better. And fuck any pretence to impartial, legislatorally-framed justice ?

    Good to know your feelings.

    In other words, Personal blood-lust revenge is fine, including for a Judge who is trained and qualified to know much better. And fuck any pretence to impartial, legislatorally-framed justice ?

    I didn’t say that. You are lying.

    Now, I do encourage the ravers to rave. Good luck with that. The term “shit for brains” does come to mind.

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  69. @Bill jones
    Why should comments be "moderated" i.e. Censored, you fascist piece of crap? (POC).

    Why should comments be “moderated” i.e. Censored, you fascist piece of crap? (POC).

    Why? Because assault is assault, and libel is libel. The (imo, valid) argument that forum postings are protected opinion, by nature, always runs into trouble with various DAs and virtue-hunting legal appendages.

    I operated forums for years, always in the fond belief that content was “free speech”. When a corrupt government wants to stop you, they will.

    But, hey, start your own.

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    In your long and illustrious career as a forum operator, did you ever come across that rare beast known as sarcasm? Believe it or not, some posters actually say things in a spirit of irony.

    I know, right? I can hardly believe it myself.
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  70. @Diversity Heretic
    I remember the highly inappropriate behavior of the female trial judge in the Georges Zimmerman case. Women, in general, lack judicial temperament and ought not to be on the bench (or practicing law, for that matter).

    And they get caught up in hysterical witch-hunts that are highly politicized aimed at enforcing orthodoxy.

    This ‘judge’ is Exhibit A in everything a judge should NOT be – uncontrolled, pandering, vengeful, hysterical, highly political, feminist etc…

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    Well said. I had read a headline about this and thought that "death sentence" remark was kinda weird because it was "judge sentenced" the perp type of headline and then I saw a video and heard the judge speaking and realized it was a woman judge and then it all made sense.

    A judges job is to follow the rule of law without emotion, this judge enacted revenge.
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  71. nsa says:

    Compare the j-media treatment of the two pervs, stink finger Nassar and wee wee licker Sandusky. Sandusky was the subject of j-media hysteria for many months, whereas Nassar has been treated with almost diffidence (the author recommends a ten year sentence for molesting 160 underage girlies). Could the explanation be as simple as american culture being sublimated homo and more titillated by same sex perversion?

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  72. @J.Ross
    I had a housemate who was on that list for consensual sex with a lying girl who was days from being legal. She remained in love with him enough to show up at his every trial and try to put in a good word for his character. But we in our arrogance have tied the position of "district attorney" to the gamble of politics, and a record of convicting "pedophiles" always sounds good in November. He went into the System and never came out. He never got a job or his own place. As a Registree, every night-time sound or emotional display brought multiple police cars. And one day he had enough of convincing cops that he was not a threat to anyone through abject self-confessions and impotent begging. He arrived at a new method of permanently ending all his sexual activities, societally approved or not, and of guaranteeing the public that he would be no danger to anyone.
    For some bizarre reason I see him wimpering and fumbling the safety when I read about the health, happiness, and of course the long and richly deserved life of the government of Belgium. At least we have that Registry. Just think what it's protecting us from.

    He arrived at a new method of permanently ending all his sexual activities, societally approved or not, and of guaranteeing the public that he would be no danger to anyone.

    Sorry to hear that. Was this suicide or castration?

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    Given he mentioned the safety? Yeah.

    That's tough. Sorry about what happened to your friend, J. Ross.
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  73. @Clyde
    Attorney John Manly, who represents more than 100 victims in civil lawsuits, has argued that Nassar was supported in his abuse by institutions like USA Gymnastics. ____ http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/16/us/larry-nassar-sentencing-gymnastics/index.html

    Nassar molested more than 100 girls so I have no problem giving him a life sentence without possibility of parole. . So although no girls were raped or assaulted, the sheer numbers make him very very loathsome and guilty. Though with all the civil lawsuits some girls are exaggerating the abuse and hopping on the lawsuit gravy train with their parents.

    the sheer numbers make him very very loathsome and guilty

    He was allowed to do that.

    In Switzerland, if you drive over 200 kph on the highway (speed limit: 120 kph), you’re going to prison for a couple years. Now your driving license will immediately be taken away from you. Imagine if they let you do that every day at night (when there’s little traffic) in your Lambo (one of the safest cars for speeding), and then, after twenty years, they suddenly arrested you and charged you with all the previous cases and put you in prison for 200 years. It wouldn’t be reasonable, would it?

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    In a few years all new automobiles will have a built in gps/tracking system with data uploaded to cloud storage. When this day comes the authorities will be able to review all the times you were speeding and did not get caught. Then lock you away forever. How about if they catch you twice in three years for speeding, then this triggers an automatic review of your past driving data, going back ten years.
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  74. sb says:

    I thought this story was primarily about America’s “whatever it takes ” sporting culture.
    For what its worth I’d say Russia and China have rather similar sporting cultures

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  75. @Steve Gittelson

    Why should comments be “moderated” i.e. Censored, you fascist piece of crap? (POC).
     
    Why? Because assault is assault, and libel is libel. The (imo, valid) argument that forum postings are protected opinion, by nature, always runs into trouble with various DAs and virtue-hunting legal appendages.

    I operated forums for years, always in the fond belief that content was "free speech". When a corrupt government wants to stop you, they will.

    But, hey, start your own.

    In your long and illustrious career as a forum operator, did you ever come across that rare beast known as sarcasm? Believe it or not, some posters actually say things in a spirit of irony.

    I know, right? I can hardly believe it myself.

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    In your long and illustrious career as a forum operator, did you ever come across that rare beast known as sarcasm? Believe it or not, some posters actually say things in a spirit of irony.
     
    Indeed, they do. IMO, sarcasm and/or irony should be skillfully expressed.

    But, hey, start your own.
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  76. @geokat62

    He look like more levantine than “Arab”.
     
    How many "Arabs" have "Larry" as their given name?

    Exactly… Maybe he is a Christian (((or)))

    Larry al-arabyya Nassar

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  77. Arab-American

    Which is he? If he is Arab, he will never be an American. Just like Derb, his wife, and kids will never be Americans.

    Nassar should have been hanged by the neck until dead.

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    And African Americans fellows?? And native Indian Americans??

    I thought if mister Derbyshire don't exacerbates his "arab" ancestry deliberately...

    He don't look....muslim
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  78. @Daniel Williams

    Nassar was convicted just last month in federal court on charges related to possessing, creating, and destroying child pornography.
     
    You can got to jail for destroying the stuff? So the federal government is enforcing some kind of law of preservation of child pornography?

    If the government decides something is evidence and you destroyed it or attempted to, then they will charge you with a crime.

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  79. Rich says:
    @Wally
    said:
    "Grown men who sexually molest underage girls deserve the death penalty."

    What about grown men who sexually molest underage boys?
    A free pass?

    As for Larry 'Brooks' & the Kid Rock thing, recall that BET hosted a cocktail party with the Obamas on the South Lawn of the White House in late October [2016], highlights included: Usher leading the crowd in a call-and-response: “Say it loud, I’m black and I’m proud.”

    What would they say if a White musician was on the South Lawn of the White House leading an overwhelmingly White crowd in a call-and-response: “Say it loud, I’m White and I’m proud.”
    The real story here is that calling whites 'racist' doesn’t work anymore.

    They deserve the death penalty in either case, I wrote “underage girls” because Nassar had assaulted females under his care. Actually, I support the death penalty in all cases of rape, which was not an uncommon sentence in the recent past.

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    Thanks for your reply.

    There are those, especially homosexuals, that advocate for legalizing sex with underage children.
    , @Steve Gittelson

    Actually, I support the death penalty in all cases of rape, which was not an uncommon sentence in the recent past.
     
    True. It is simple, expedient, and the best preventive medicine.

    America has, in the American tradition of permitting lawyers to insert moneymakers into the "justice" sytem, allowed the convolutions of "statutory" rape to enter the equation, i.e. purely consensual sex made illegal by lawyers, for purposes of making money while serving interests of the wealthy classes.
    , @Jonathan Mason

    They deserve the death penalty in either case, I wrote “underage girls” because Nassar had assaulted females under his care.
     
    The trouble with all this is that we don't know EXACTLY what Nassar did that constituted "assault".

    I think it is clear that he was guilty of medical malpractice in performing internal pelvic examinations that were not necessary or appropriate solely for his own sexual gratification.

    But where is the bright line that divides a pelvic examination from an "assault" IF THE PELVIC EXAMINATION WAS DONE CORRECTLY, ALBEIT UNNECESSARY AND WITHOUT THE REQUIRED CONSENTS BEING SIGNED BY THE PARENT OR GUARDIAN.

    If the young women did not know that they were being assaulted at the time, to what extent can they be said to have suffered? Did they suffer more pain than normal for a pelvic examination? Or did the suffering only start when they discovered that they had been taken for a ride?

    The trouble is that the criminal law is not really suited to dealing with these kinds of cases, because doctors are usually regarded as friends of the court, expert witnesses who advise the court, and so on, and there are no criminal courts that specialize in medical issues.

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  80. Male judges editorialize and play games with sentences all the time. This isn’t something new that is happening with females on the bench.

    We need to strip much power from judges.

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  81. Johann says:
    @anon
    OFF TOPIC, but still shocking:

    Two former employees of Common Good Books, the St. Paul bookstore [Garrison] Keillor owns, learned that one awkward day in May 2012.

    Molly Hilgenberg, now 31, said Keillor visited the shop only occasionally and left its day-to-day operation to employees. But he did stop by shortly after the bookstore moved from a basement in the Cathedral Hill neighborhood to a larger building near Macalester College.
    Hilgenberg, who now lives in northern California, said Keillor wrote a sexually suggestive limerick on a whiteboard behind the cash register. In the five lines, photos of which Hilgenberg shared with MPR News, Keillor wrote about another young female employee, whose physique he found arousing. Hilgenberg said she is certain that her co-worker was the subject of the poem.

    A beauty who goes to Macalester —
    O, her face, her limbs, her ballast, her
    Tiny blue kilt
    And the way she is built
    Could make a petrified phallus stir.


    Hilgenberg's co-worker was a Macalester student at the time. She did not want to be named, but confirmed the details of the incident to MPR News.

    Hilgenberg said they both found the verse offensive and demeaning, but felt powerless to do anything about it.

    "I'm pretty sure I didn't say anything other than 'Oh my gosh!'" Hilgenberg said. "I don't even really remember my reaction. I was just in shock. I was like, 'That is so wildly inappropriate' in my mind. But I didn't say anything, which I still regret to this day."

    Hilgenberg said the store staff feared Keillor's reaction if they were to erase the limerick, so they temporarily covered it with books and a portrait of F. Scott Fitzgerald. —MPR
     
    Keillor should be castrated and all his books burned.

    But Keillor is a “good white” with deep roots in the Democrat Socialist party. That alone protects him from being the geek that he resembles so much.

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  82. @anon
    OFF TOPIC, but still shocking:

    Two former employees of Common Good Books, the St. Paul bookstore [Garrison] Keillor owns, learned that one awkward day in May 2012.

    Molly Hilgenberg, now 31, said Keillor visited the shop only occasionally and left its day-to-day operation to employees. But he did stop by shortly after the bookstore moved from a basement in the Cathedral Hill neighborhood to a larger building near Macalester College.
    Hilgenberg, who now lives in northern California, said Keillor wrote a sexually suggestive limerick on a whiteboard behind the cash register. In the five lines, photos of which Hilgenberg shared with MPR News, Keillor wrote about another young female employee, whose physique he found arousing. Hilgenberg said she is certain that her co-worker was the subject of the poem.

    A beauty who goes to Macalester —
    O, her face, her limbs, her ballast, her
    Tiny blue kilt
    And the way she is built
    Could make a petrified phallus stir.


    Hilgenberg's co-worker was a Macalester student at the time. She did not want to be named, but confirmed the details of the incident to MPR News.

    Hilgenberg said they both found the verse offensive and demeaning, but felt powerless to do anything about it.

    "I'm pretty sure I didn't say anything other than 'Oh my gosh!'" Hilgenberg said. "I don't even really remember my reaction. I was just in shock. I was like, 'That is so wildly inappropriate' in my mind. But I didn't say anything, which I still regret to this day."

    Hilgenberg said the store staff feared Keillor's reaction if they were to erase the limerick, so they temporarily covered it with books and a portrait of F. Scott Fitzgerald. —MPR
     
    Keillor should be castrated and all his books burned.

    Keillor has been completely un-personed at the Minnesota Public Radio website. He made them a ton of money over the years, and now he no longer exists. Welcome to our new digital world.

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  83. Wally says:
    @Rich
    They deserve the death penalty in either case, I wrote "underage girls" because Nassar had assaulted females under his care. Actually, I support the death penalty in all cases of rape, which was not an uncommon sentence in the recent past.

    Thanks for your reply.

    There are those, especially homosexuals, that advocate for legalizing sex with underage children.

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  84. @Intelligent Dasein
    In your long and illustrious career as a forum operator, did you ever come across that rare beast known as sarcasm? Believe it or not, some posters actually say things in a spirit of irony.

    I know, right? I can hardly believe it myself.

    In your long and illustrious career as a forum operator, did you ever come across that rare beast known as sarcasm? Believe it or not, some posters actually say things in a spirit of irony.

    Indeed, they do. IMO, sarcasm and/or irony should be skillfully expressed.

    But, hey, start your own.

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  85. Wally says: • Website
    @Anon
    White Latin-Americans are driven by resentment.

    They hate the fact that Anglos in the North did so much better than Latins in the South.

    They hate the fact that Anglos and whites in the US didn't race-mix much and remained mostly and did so well. In contrast, Latinos in the South raped the natives and race-mixed a lot. Also, even in Europe, Latins were more race-mixed to begin with due to Moorish invasion and etc.

    So, how do white Latin Americans deal with their inferiority complex? They come to America and lay claim to it in the name of Diversity because whiteness is 'racism'. Even though Latin American elites are whites who lord over non-whites in Latin America, they pretend to be non-white people of color in solidarity with blacks and immigrants.

    But all this BS is really fueled by resentment and envy at Anglo success.
    When Anglo-Americans were confident, they took pride in their success and pushed weak and corrupt Latin America around. But because of rise of PC that de-legitimized white pride and power, Latin whites(as 'people of color') talk big about transforming America for the better with Diversity. In fact, they want to take over America because they ruined their own nations. And they meal ticket to the US is playing the PC tune of Diversity.

    There is only one way to deal with rotten Latin elites. Since Latin whites use Diversity against white Americans, white Americans should rile up non-whites against Latin white elites in Latin nations. Have the non-whites rise up and tear limb from limb scumbags like Guillermo Del Toro.
    And since Jews use Diversity against whites, whites should reciprocate in kind and side with Palestinians and any people against Jews.

    This is all too bad. Europeans, white Americans, Jews, and Latin whites could all have gone along well to create a rich and peaceful world. But instead, Jews and Latin whites decide scapegoat goyim or yanqui for all the problems of the world while hugging diversity as their moral brethren. But this is a total fraud since Latin whites have always lorded over non-whites in Latin America, and Jews have been stomping Palestinians forever and ripping off black musicians and athletes.

    If Jews and Latin whites keep playing dirty, then white Americans have no choice but to rile up non-whites against Latin elites and side with Muslims and any non-white group against Jews as the real super-privileged group.

    It's the last call. Are Jews and Latin Whites gonna stop playing this dirty game and ally with other whites as part of the West? Or are they gonna play both ways, maintaining their own 'white privilege' while blaming White Yanqui gentiles for all the problems in the world?

    “There is only one way to deal with rotten Latin elites. Since Latin whites use Diversity against white Americans, white Americans should rile up non-whites against Latin white elites in Latin nations. Have the non-whites rise up and tear limb from limb scumbags like Guillermo Del Toro.
    But this is a total fraud since Latin whites have always lorded over non-whites in Latin America, ”

    I wonder why Del Toro says nothing of the all Euro-white Mexican Congress.

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    In Brazil (((cultural Marxism))) has been used against "our white-leaning elites". "Elite branca" become a derogative term oftenly used by "socialist party".

    Cultural (((Marxism)))has been intensified in Brazil while I think in Mexico I don't see in the same level.

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  86. @Rich
    They deserve the death penalty in either case, I wrote "underage girls" because Nassar had assaulted females under his care. Actually, I support the death penalty in all cases of rape, which was not an uncommon sentence in the recent past.

    Actually, I support the death penalty in all cases of rape, which was not an uncommon sentence in the recent past.

    True. It is simple, expedient, and the best preventive medicine.

    America has, in the American tradition of permitting lawyers to insert moneymakers into the “justice” sytem, allowed the convolutions of “statutory” rape to enter the equation, i.e. purely consensual sex made illegal by lawyers, for purposes of making money while serving interests of the wealthy classes.

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    Exactly how do the statutory rape laws serve the interest of the wealthy classes?
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  87. @Almost Missouri
    Not to mention, Blagojevich barely committed a crime. Do you think any governor has ever given away a Senate appointment for nothing? Blagojevich's "crime" was being a little too honest about the appointment process.

    Didn’t Blago make a veiled threat against Obama? I’m surprised they let Blogo live.

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    Not that I remember. He did, however, say that he was "blacker than Obama", which is pretty much true, though it's not too hard to be blacker than Obama.
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  88. Alden says:

    All she did was make a rather overwrought speech at sentencing. Being a woman she identified with the victims more than a man would

    But so what? He was guilty. It’s better he be in prison rather than out in a few years molesting other girls.

    What about male judges such as Earl Warren and school desegregation? Or may he burn in hell forever and ever Supreme Court justice Brennan? He was the one who created the legal concept that “ disproportionate representation is in and of itself clear and present evidence of discrimination “
    It was his words in the Griggs and other findings that created the quota system. Of course when blacks are way way over represented in a job such as bus drivers or the postal service, it’s not unequal representation .
    Unequal representation only applies to not hiring or promoting Whites.

    It’s the judges who have reduced Whites to the status of untouchables, unemployable, not eligible for loans or other benefits because of our race.

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  89. Alden says:
    @Steve Gittelson

    Actually, I support the death penalty in all cases of rape, which was not an uncommon sentence in the recent past.
     
    True. It is simple, expedient, and the best preventive medicine.

    America has, in the American tradition of permitting lawyers to insert moneymakers into the "justice" sytem, allowed the convolutions of "statutory" rape to enter the equation, i.e. purely consensual sex made illegal by lawyers, for purposes of making money while serving interests of the wealthy classes.

    Exactly how do the statutory rape laws serve the interest of the wealthy classes?

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    Alden, I speak and write English quite well.

    Review, or not. Your option. This is an exception, as I usually do not respond to people who say that I have said something I did not say.
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  90. @reiner Tor

    He arrived at a new method of permanently ending all his sexual activities, societally approved or not, and of guaranteeing the public that he would be no danger to anyone.
     
    Sorry to hear that. Was this suicide or castration?

    Given he mentioned the safety? Yeah.

    That’s tough. Sorry about what happened to your friend, J. Ross.

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    I didn’t understand that sentence. I still don’t understand.
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  91. Alden says:
    @attilathehen
    What I wrote was not bile, but the truth. I think I've seen your initials around here, but your scribblings did not impress me.

    Do you know Derbyshire's history? He has a Chinese wife and offspring. The imported Chinese wife and daughter voted for Obama. He wrote about this in an article. Derbyshire wrote an article "The Talk" - a talk that parents should have with their children regarding blacks. His wife and daughter did not listen to him, as their voting patterns show.

    I read his scribblings at VDare and they are unbelievable. He grew up a Christian in a Christian England but he says he is now an atheist. He wrote in a column that he doesn't understand Chrisitians.
    Yet, he helps his Chinese wife with her pagan ancestor rituals. He writes a column that is a diary and those scribblings are also revealing.

    I have criticized him many times. He finally commented to me. I asked him a simple question: which people are better - the English or the Chinese? There is only one correct answer. He answered back with the most inane, degenerate comparison. He scribbled about it depends on what is better versus what is good, i.e., who is better or worse - Stalin or Warren Harding. Pure degeneracy and madness!!! That one could put these 2 men in the same category is beyond belief. A mass murderer versus a corrupt but not murderous American man. As a Western woman, and specifically an American woman, this is beyond the pale.

    Then he writes this column. He mentions the judge's ethnic background. She is a Western woman, a European. No problem. Then he mentions the doctor's ethnic background. He is a Caucasian. I would assume he is of Lebanese or Syrian extraction, and he is a Christian. Lebanese/Syrian Christians are well assimilated in the West and are Western.

    Derbyshire is married to a Chinese woman (Asians are the second race, Caucasians are first, blacks are last). The West is not Chinese and the Chinese are not liked in the West. The judge and doctor (putting his crime aside) are kosher. Derbyshire's wife is not kosher. And yet, Derbyshire scribbles about their backgrounds. Chutzpah!!! If you don't know Derbyshire's background, now you do. He wrote in a column about his son joining the army to get straightened out. He puts it all out there. He deserves my criticism.

    i Thought you despised non European Christians to the point of leaving the Catholic Church* because it has non European clergy.

    * proof that you never were a catholic is the fact that you refer to it as the RCC. Catholics never never do that. I think you’re confusing it with the C of E.

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    I didn't catch that, but you are right. It's just "The Church," even for lapsed Catholics who are criticizing it, unless this is some sort of regionalism overseas somewhere.
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  92. Alden says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova
    US justice system is at best strange, Somebody is sentenced to two hundred years than after 3 years is released for good behavior. What is the bad behavior when you are in prison,if I may ask.
    I did like the lady judge comment it was funny.
    These cases I just cannot comprehend. do the victims have families or friends whom they could turn to and consult immediately when it happens?
    Something just does not add up to me.

    The victims did report it to the Olympic authorities coaches and others But nothing was done. There are many articles on the internet about how the victims tried to report him.

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    So all those who's duty was to prevent the crime will go Scot free?
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  93. @Rich
    They deserve the death penalty in either case, I wrote "underage girls" because Nassar had assaulted females under his care. Actually, I support the death penalty in all cases of rape, which was not an uncommon sentence in the recent past.

    They deserve the death penalty in either case, I wrote “underage girls” because Nassar had assaulted females under his care.

    The trouble with all this is that we don’t know EXACTLY what Nassar did that constituted “assault”.

    I think it is clear that he was guilty of medical malpractice in performing internal pelvic examinations that were not necessary or appropriate solely for his own sexual gratification.

    But where is the bright line that divides a pelvic examination from an “assault” IF THE PELVIC EXAMINATION WAS DONE CORRECTLY, ALBEIT UNNECESSARY AND WITHOUT THE REQUIRED CONSENTS BEING SIGNED BY THE PARENT OR GUARDIAN.

    If the young women did not know that they were being assaulted at the time, to what extent can they be said to have suffered? Did they suffer more pain than normal for a pelvic examination? Or did the suffering only start when they discovered that they had been taken for a ride?

    The trouble is that the criminal law is not really suited to dealing with these kinds of cases, because doctors are usually regarded as friends of the court, expert witnesses who advise the court, and so on, and there are no criminal courts that specialize in medical issues.

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    If it was just one or two youngsters, you might have a point. We're up to well over a hundred here, and besides his confession to the molestation charges there is also his confession in the child pornography case. If a case ever called for the death penalty, this is it.
    , @Steve Gittelson

    If the young women did not know that they were being assaulted at the time, to what extent can they be said to have suffered? Did they suffer more pain than normal for a pelvic examination? Or did the suffering only start when they discovered that they had been taken for a ride?
     
    Entirely irrelevant. Mores have been violated, and cultural social conscience scarred forever.

    He knew what he did was wrong, very wrong, by all contemporary measure of morality.

    He should be hanged at the crossroads, and his body left to twist in the wind until the crows have left nothing but dry bones. Soil our virgin daughters, will he? Perhaps impalement would be better?
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  94. JimB says:
    @Steve Gittelson
    Awww, Derby ... Nassar is being made an example of. And an excellent example it is! I say "Bully!"

    Me, I would hang the worthless scumbag from the nearest cottonwood, judgment based on hyperbolic disgust. Step on him like a scuttling cockroach.

    Rather than call Nassar’s sentence too exorbitant, I would call the sentencing in this country for rape too lenient. Especially rape where the assailant and victim are different races. Black men assault 30,000 white women every year in the US. It should be treated as a hate crime automatically with all the sentencing enhancements.

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  95. @Chris Mallory

    Arab-American
     
    Which is he? If he is Arab, he will never be an American. Just like Derb, his wife, and kids will never be Americans.



    Nassar should have been hanged by the neck until dead.

    And African Americans fellows?? And native Indian Americans??

    I thought if mister Derbyshire don’t exacerbates his “arab” ancestry deliberately…

    He don’t look….muslim

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  96. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Inquiring Mind
    Two points.

    My understanding is that the trial phase had, what was it, 10 accusers testifying and also answering cross examination -- the Constitutional right of confronting one's accusers. The sentencing phase had the judge permitting testimony from a much larger number of accusers.

    Why only 10 women testifying at trial? Testifying and responding to cross examination is not a trivial thing for the witness, so the prosecution balanced making their case through corroborating witnesses against subjecting more witnesses to this process. But permitting many more witnesses at the sentencing phase, woman who were not subject to cross examination, this sounds like something for an appellate court panel to evaluate?

    Then there is the death-warrant remark? Not only does it work against impartiality of the judge, it opens the question as to whether committing a person to prison under such circumstances has a reasonable expectation that they won't live out their natural life? We joke about extrajudicial punishment at the hands of other prisoners, it is a scandal of our prison system that such extrajudicial punishment is a fact of prison life and death, but for a judge to make such a remark? Could an appeals court rule that the judge was meting out the sentence with a reasonable expectation that the prisoner won't die of natural causes in prison? That opens up all manner of trouble.

    The man is convicted and is handed a severe sentence, so why did the trial judge do this?

    “[S]o why did the trial judge do this?”

    Because she’s an aspiring TV star and/or incapable of setting aside her passions.

    The prosecutor — who may share the same shortcomings — will have to come up with something else if your question is asked by an appellate court.

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  97. @Wally
    "There is only one way to deal with rotten Latin elites. Since Latin whites use Diversity against white Americans, white Americans should rile up non-whites against Latin white elites in Latin nations. Have the non-whites rise up and tear limb from limb scumbags like Guillermo Del Toro.
    But this is a total fraud since Latin whites have always lorded over non-whites in Latin America, "

    I wonder why Del Toro says nothing of the all Euro-white Mexican Congress.

    https://www.vosizneias.com/assets/uploads/news_photos/thumbnails/800_velbbsqa1abaemdvdohe1pwyilzloavq.jpg

    In Brazil (((cultural Marxism))) has been used against “our white-leaning elites”. “Elite branca” become a derogative term oftenly used by “socialist party”.

    Cultural (((Marxism)))has been intensified in Brazil while I think in Mexico I don’t see in the same level.

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  98. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross
    I had a housemate who was on that list for consensual sex with a lying girl who was days from being legal. She remained in love with him enough to show up at his every trial and try to put in a good word for his character. But we in our arrogance have tied the position of "district attorney" to the gamble of politics, and a record of convicting "pedophiles" always sounds good in November. He went into the System and never came out. He never got a job or his own place. As a Registree, every night-time sound or emotional display brought multiple police cars. And one day he had enough of convincing cops that he was not a threat to anyone through abject self-confessions and impotent begging. He arrived at a new method of permanently ending all his sexual activities, societally approved or not, and of guaranteeing the public that he would be no danger to anyone.
    For some bizarre reason I see him wimpering and fumbling the safety when I read about the health, happiness, and of course the long and richly deserved life of the government of Belgium. At least we have that Registry. Just think what it's protecting us from.

    If your stupid housemate could have restrained himself for a few days, he would have been fine. He knew what the law said as well as anyone else did. But no, he made the decision that he wasn’t going to control himself, even though he could easily have made a different decision and had a different fate. It was entirely his own fault.

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    I think the point of the adjective "lying" in J.Ross's anecdote was that the girl falsely told the housemate she was legal. So the housemate didn't know he would commit a crime. And merely a malum prohibitum crime rather than a malum in se crime at that, as SMK likes to point out.

    Maybe he could have asked for a birth certificate... Is that something you do?
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  99. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Men go to doctors who every once in a while place a gloved finger deep up their ass. Should they go to prison for decades? Just think, all those doctors enjoying their work.

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    Men go to doctors who every once in a while place a gloved finger deep up their ass. Should they go to prison for decades?
     
    Mind your antecedents, bucko. You imply that rectally-tested men should go to prison.

    All the doctors that I know personally dislike, and strongly, that part of the standard physical exam. Perhaps your doctor enjoys it?
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  100. neutral says:
    @gp
    How did that comment pass moderation? It's just bile.

    Everything he said in that comment was true (go ahead prove me wrong), what is it about the truth that you hate some much about it?

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    ..."She"...

    But hey, Tillie, you have an ally.
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  101. @Daniel Chieh
    Given he mentioned the safety? Yeah.

    That's tough. Sorry about what happened to your friend, J. Ross.

    I didn’t understand that sentence. I still don’t understand.

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    Safety = Gun safety. His friend killed himself.
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  102. Rich says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    They deserve the death penalty in either case, I wrote “underage girls” because Nassar had assaulted females under his care.
     
    The trouble with all this is that we don't know EXACTLY what Nassar did that constituted "assault".

    I think it is clear that he was guilty of medical malpractice in performing internal pelvic examinations that were not necessary or appropriate solely for his own sexual gratification.

    But where is the bright line that divides a pelvic examination from an "assault" IF THE PELVIC EXAMINATION WAS DONE CORRECTLY, ALBEIT UNNECESSARY AND WITHOUT THE REQUIRED CONSENTS BEING SIGNED BY THE PARENT OR GUARDIAN.

    If the young women did not know that they were being assaulted at the time, to what extent can they be said to have suffered? Did they suffer more pain than normal for a pelvic examination? Or did the suffering only start when they discovered that they had been taken for a ride?

    The trouble is that the criminal law is not really suited to dealing with these kinds of cases, because doctors are usually regarded as friends of the court, expert witnesses who advise the court, and so on, and there are no criminal courts that specialize in medical issues.

    If it was just one or two youngsters, you might have a point. We’re up to well over a hundred here, and besides his confession to the molestation charges there is also his confession in the child pornography case. If a case ever called for the death penalty, this is it.

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  103. @The Alarmist
    Didn't Blago make a veiled threat against Obama? I'm surprised they let Blogo live.

    Not that I remember. He did, however, say that he was “blacker than Obama”, which is pretty much true, though it’s not too hard to be blacker than Obama.

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  104. @Bragadocious
    Interesting theories. However, I don't hear much about vigilantes attacking these folks. In fact, I can't ever remember hearing about it. There's a very good reason for this. People fear going to prison or being sued. In any case, Megan's Law differentiates between child rapists (lifetime registration) and mere statutory rape (usually 10 years). Also, if it comes down to a battle between the privacy of pedos and the public's right to know, I'm going to side with the public. Every time.

    No vigilantes attack the sex registered folks because even the vigilante-inclined will not feel inclined to visit vigilantism upon the folks in question after reading why they’re on the registry. I looked once, in my L.A.-area neighborhood. 90% were Hispanic guys in their 20s – 30s who were banging a teen girlfriend. Meh. Angry fathers—in denial about their daughters’ sexuality—are to blame for this list, and anyone on it.

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    I looked once, in my L.A.-area neighborhood. 90% were Hispanic guys in their 20s – 30s who were banging a teen girlfriend. Meh. Angry fathers—in denial about their daughters’ sexuality—are to blame for this list, and anyone on it.
     
    But here's the problem with this sort of analysis.

    1. The law of the land is not a salad bar where you pick what you want and ignore the rest. People are not at liberty to violate laws just because they don't happen to agree with them. You may not think that banging your teen girlfriend is a crime, but the State of California does and it is the one with the say-so.

    2. No father should be okay with his teen daughter banging 30-year-old men behind his back. A man that age should go to the father and ask him for permission to court his daughter. If they really wish to marry, the girl can do so with parental permission. If the man's intentions are not serious and he is only using the daughter as a slut, the father has every right to be pissed off and so he reaches for the only weapon available to him---the sex offender registry. Of course there are other ways to solve this problem, the simplest being remaining chaste until you can solemnize your relationship.
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  105. @Anon
    If your stupid housemate could have restrained himself for a few days, he would have been fine. He knew what the law said as well as anyone else did. But no, he made the decision that he wasn't going to control himself, even though he could easily have made a different decision and had a different fate. It was entirely his own fault.

    I think the point of the adjective “lying” in J.Ross‘s anecdote was that the girl falsely told the housemate she was legal. So the housemate didn’t know he would commit a crime. And merely a malum prohibitum crime rather than a malum in se crime at that, as SMK likes to point out.

    Maybe he could have asked for a birth certificate… Is that something you do?

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  106. @reiner Tor
    I didn’t understand that sentence. I still don’t understand.

    Safety = Gun safety. His friend killed himself.

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    Actually, come to think about it, it was an incredibly stupid question, despite not understanding that sentence. Never mind.
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  107. @Jonathan Mason

    The Brits still don’t have an online database where you can look up convicted sex offenders by name, and see their picture.
     
    If they did, lynch mobs would hunt them down and kill them. A few years ago a mob burned down the house of a pediatrician, simply because they confused the words pediatrician and pedophile. (These words are spelled slightly differently in England.)


    The strange thing is that this does not happen in the US.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/4719364.stm

    Cinna the poet?

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  108. Clyde says:
    @reiner Tor

    the sheer numbers make him very very loathsome and guilty
     
    He was allowed to do that.

    In Switzerland, if you drive over 200 kph on the highway (speed limit: 120 kph), you’re going to prison for a couple years. Now your driving license will immediately be taken away from you. Imagine if they let you do that every day at night (when there’s little traffic) in your Lambo (one of the safest cars for speeding), and then, after twenty years, they suddenly arrested you and charged you with all the previous cases and put you in prison for 200 years. It wouldn’t be reasonable, would it?

    In a few years all new automobiles will have a built in gps/tracking system with data uploaded to cloud storage. When this day comes the authorities will be able to review all the times you were speeding and did not get caught. Then lock you away forever. How about if they catch you twice in three years for speeding, then this triggers an automatic review of your past driving data, going back ten years.

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    I think either they should check it always (speeding above the jail limit would trigger an alarm and lead to a sentencing), or only re-examine under special circumstances, like after an accident caused by you.

    Sitting on the data to lure you into committing more crimes somehow doesn’t feel right. The point shouldn’t be to impose maximum sentence, but to minimize the number of crimes committed. In the case of Larry Nassar, early victims who did not notify the authorities certainly share some responsibility for the later cases. Granted, most responsibility lies with the culprit himself, but still.
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  109. @Seth Largo
    No vigilantes attack the sex registered folks because even the vigilante-inclined will not feel inclined to visit vigilantism upon the folks in question after reading why they're on the registry. I looked once, in my L.A.-area neighborhood. 90% were Hispanic guys in their 20s - 30s who were banging a teen girlfriend. Meh. Angry fathers---in denial about their daughters' sexuality---are to blame for this list, and anyone on it.

    I looked once, in my L.A.-area neighborhood. 90% were Hispanic guys in their 20s – 30s who were banging a teen girlfriend. Meh. Angry fathers—in denial about their daughters’ sexuality—are to blame for this list, and anyone on it.

    But here’s the problem with this sort of analysis.

    1. The law of the land is not a salad bar where you pick what you want and ignore the rest. People are not at liberty to violate laws just because they don’t happen to agree with them. You may not think that banging your teen girlfriend is a crime, but the State of California does and it is the one with the say-so.

    2. No father should be okay with his teen daughter banging 30-year-old men behind his back. A man that age should go to the father and ask him for permission to court his daughter. If they really wish to marry, the girl can do so with parental permission. If the man’s intentions are not serious and he is only using the daughter as a slut, the father has every right to be pissed off and so he reaches for the only weapon available to him—the sex offender registry. Of course there are other ways to solve this problem, the simplest being remaining chaste until you can solemnize your relationship.

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    Oh, I agree 100% with your analysis. My comment was attempting to be descriptive, but I can see how it came across as prescriptive. I had opportunities as a 20-something to have dalliances with high school girls partying in places they shouldn't have been, but my brain easily over-rode the libido. Not worth violating this particular "social construct."

    I would say, however, that I don't like the idea of a father using police and lawyers to enact his (justifiable) anger. He has every right to be angry at an older guy using his teen daughter for sex. I would simply prefer he beat up the horndog or take a rifle to his Camaro's tires as opposed to sending him through a legal process that will turn him into an unproductive pariah.
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  110. Truth says:
    @Santoculto
    White tra$h are that silly Lilly domesticated homer Simpsons who don't understand that a limit of age is often artificial and that after certain biological age most humans are perfectly capable to feel sexually attracted and have kids and in most hunter gathers communities people rise their families when they are adolescents probably because they no have time enough to expect a artificial judicial age to become legally adult.

    I'm not necessarily defending adolescent sexual initiation.. I'm just trying to point out how little bit more meticulous this subject is specially about adolescence sexuality and adult participation. It's also is not a autobiographical defense even because I wasn't a sexually active adolescent.

    So there shouldn’t be an age of consent, is that your position?

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    An age of consent which don't respect adolescent passions... that's my question.

    I no have position here, even i think would be good avoid sex during adolescence for most-one.
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  111. @Daniel Chieh
    Safety = Gun safety. His friend killed himself.

    Actually, come to think about it, it was an incredibly stupid question, despite not understanding that sentence. Never mind.

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  112. @Patrick Sullivan
    I think you're way off target here, Derb. Nassar wasn't just some neighborhood pervert who tried to cop a feel while standing in line behind some girls. He was a physician in a position of trust and responsibility who used and abused that trust for his own.

    The victims testified during the trial that they thought his touching was part of the treatment, embarrassing as it was. That may not seem very intelligent or sensible of them, but there's no law saying a 13 year-old has to be very sensible and in fact she usually isn't, which is why we have laws to protect her. And in many cases their mistaken impression that Nassar's actions were legitimate medical ones was backed up by what they'd been led to believe. If every time a girl had a pulled groin muscle or similar injury she was treated by the assigned, trusted team physician with intrusive personal massing and the like, it was reasonable for her to conclude that that was the correct treatment.

    As for what you regard as an overly harsh or long sentence, Nassar assaulted over 160 girls and young women, many of them numerous times. Ten years would be less than a month served per victim. The logic in Norway seems to be that if you kill 90 teenagers you can only get the same sentence you could get for killing one. That type of thinking has never really caught on in the US except on the anti-punishment Left. And regarding ensuring he wouldn't be allowed to be around young girls if he did get out in ten years or less as still a relatively young man, there is no ensuring any such thing once he's out. You can write it on his parole papers but you can't keep him away from young girls if he's powerfully motivated to reoffend, as so many sex offenders are.

    I do agree with you on Aquilina's over the top sentencing harangue (which was a lot about her) and her gleefully judgmental condemnation. Yes, her hint that the 8th Amendment should perhaps be sidestepped in Nassar's case is unseemly to say the least.

    Agreed. The question that should be asked when sentencing is “Is the individual a danger to society?” Nasser clearly is. A 10 year sentence would see him back on the streets targeting young girls again for his depravity. He needs to remain in prison until death.

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  113. The guy was an osteopath, not a gynecologist. He was “treating” sore backs (endemic to gymnasts) by claiming an actual loose tissue disease could be diagnosed and treated by pelvic examinations. In some cases, he stuck his entire (ungloved) hand in the victim, something that even grown women can usually tolerate only when hormones have expanded the birth canal just prior to labor–too soon means losing the baby, and hormones (or if necessary, the episiotomy followed by the husband’s knot) bring the dimensions more or less back to a normal state some time after childbirth (though as most parents can testify, things are never quite the same).

    Many of these girls were prepubescent, regardless of age. Estrogen is fat-based, and the intense training and resulting muscle-fat ratio means a lot of them get their first cycle in their 20s, if at all. What he did would have been intensely painful, traumatic both emotionally and physically. This wasn’t an awkward third base during an adolescent make-out session: this was a grown man doing things that would have been painful for a GROEN woman not about to give birth, to teens with the bodies of ten-year-olds, or in some cases, to actual ten-year-olds. Ever try to do a split leap or a glide kip directly after vulvar and vaginal trauma? Would Mackayla Maroney’s bronze in vault be a silver or a gold if she hadn’t been freshly mauled by Nassar right before competition? Between molestation and malpractice, he deserves every second of his sentence.

    That said:

    1. The judge’s behavior was pathetic. Judge Harold Rothwax was careful to avoid the appearance of partiality in the Lisa Steinberg case, because he wanted to be able to sentence Joel Steinberg to the maximum possible under the law at that time without risking a mistrial or an appeal. Acquilina should not have risked this conviction by indicating openly that she hoped Bubba and T-Bone would give Nassar the Welcome Wagon in General Pop, even if she privately thought it.

    2. The parents are pathetic. They send their kids away to be trained at a young age, and the kids are less street-smart than your average bridge-&-tunnel kid regularly taking the subway between boroughs. The kids also don’t feel comfortable enough to ask their parents when they’re not sure if something is right, and they don’t want to let them down by not fulfilling all those Olympic dreams (the parents’; kids used to ask for gymnastics lessons in elementary or middle school, just like they asked for ballet or karate, but now they’re put in as toddlers).

    You can bet if someone had suggested these “treatments” to me when I was doing competitive sports, I’d have been on the phone to my mother asking for advice before I’d have submitted to anything. My mother would have told me to leave IMMEDIATELY–but not before handing the phone to the “doctor” so she could give him a piece of her mind. Which everyone in a five-mile vicinity would have heard, without the existence of speakerphones. (A friend of mine who knew my mother said he wouldn’t put it past her to travel cross-country to give someone like Nassar an earful.).

    These girls (and some boys: one girl saw her brother get stuck full of needles near the groin area–whether Nassar was qualified to use acupuncture is another question) are too cut off from a normal upbringing to know what is normal and what is not. This is just the beginning: figure-skating and professional ballet are undoubtedly next (they too privilege and also tend to produce undeveloped bodies), and it will make its way to boys’ sports eventually.

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    Doubtless, the best comment on the topic & one the best posts overall at frequently loony Unz site.
    , @njguy73
    Bill Simmons, August 2004, ESPN.com, on Olympic gymnastics:

    As for the "women's" (and I use that word loosely) gymnastics on Sunday night ... I mean, what would possess someone to direct his or her daughter toward the seedy world of competitive gymnastics? Would you ever send your kid to the Karolyi Ranch? After the ongoing Michael Jackson fiasco, isn't it every parent's duty to avoid sending their kids to a place that features someone's last name with the word "Ranch"? Besides, what's the thought process behind pushing your child to such a sport?

    My daughter's a little on the small side ... maybe we should push her toward gymnastics. This way, she'll look like a hobbit for the rest of her life; she won't menstruate until she's 25 years-old; she won't be able to eat ... EVER; she'll never meet anyone other than tiny, non-menstruating gymnasts who look just like her; she'll have a decent chance of being socially dysfunctional because she spent 15 hours a day in her formative years with a pommel horse and high bars prominently involved; and as an added bonus, a frightening Romanian will become the dominant father figure in her life. Also, she'll suffer from chronic knee problems for the rest of her life. And we'll make this gamble just in case she defies million-to-one odds and wins a medal some day, which she can hawk off some day to pay her bulimia/anorexia bills as an adult. This sounds fantastic! Sign me up!

    Does anyone else feel terrible for these girls? They look so damned tortured, don't they? Like they might start uncontrollably crying at any moment? It's almost like Karolyi tells them before the tournament, "If you don't finish in the top five, I'm making you eat a double cheesburger, and you can't throw it up!" These girls would have a better chance in life if someone had steered them toward porn. Anyway, I vote for the Janet Jones Corollary for all future women's gymnastics events -- unless you're at least 5-foot-3, you have at least a 10 percent body fat, and you're at least a B-cup, you can't be on the team. That would solve everything.
     
    http://www.espn.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/faceoff/040817/part2
    , @3g4me
    @113 Rosamond Vincy: Kudos on a well conceived and written comment. What Nassar did was inexcusable, but the fame-struck and egotistical parents are equally despicable. While I detest our vile court system and judges' hubris in general, Aquilina struck me as the epitome of histrionic. A la Ruth Buzzie Ginsberg claiming to have been sexually harassed - all jump aboard the "metoo" everlasting estrogen train.

    Women need to shut the hell up and get out of most of public life where they are ill-suited, ill-trained, and ill-intentioned. With rare exceptions (and your comment indicates you are one), most women cannot separate the rational from the emotional.
    , @Alden
    Thanks for an informed comment from someone who knows about muscle to fat ratio, normal vs starvation delayed puberty and the fact that the average teen doesn’t know that there is no need for pelvic exams except in case of adverse symptoms or pregnancy.
    , @Twinkie
    Excellent summary.

    The guy was an osteopath, not a gynecologist.

     

    I still don't understand why in the U.S. osteopaths (whose industry essentially began the same as chiropractors) get to participate in medical residencies and (afterwards) practice as medical doctors. It's not like someone who can actually get into a real accredited medical school would forsake that and go to an osteopathic school instead! It is now basically a way for those who can't get into medical schools to become fully-functioning physicians.

    It's just bizarre. How did the AMA lose that battle? Argh, everyone is now a "doctor" in the U.S. - osteopaths, chiropractors, optometrists, and now nurses (with nursing Ph.D.'s).
    , @Daniel Chieh
    Appreciated for the bit of sanity you added.
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  114. Truth says:
    @J.Ross
    I had a housemate who was on that list for consensual sex with a lying girl who was days from being legal. She remained in love with him enough to show up at his every trial and try to put in a good word for his character. But we in our arrogance have tied the position of "district attorney" to the gamble of politics, and a record of convicting "pedophiles" always sounds good in November. He went into the System and never came out. He never got a job or his own place. As a Registree, every night-time sound or emotional display brought multiple police cars. And one day he had enough of convincing cops that he was not a threat to anyone through abject self-confessions and impotent begging. He arrived at a new method of permanently ending all his sexual activities, societally approved or not, and of guaranteeing the public that he would be no danger to anyone.
    For some bizarre reason I see him wimpering and fumbling the safety when I read about the health, happiness, and of course the long and richly deserved life of the government of Belgium. At least we have that Registry. Just think what it's protecting us from.

    I had a housemate who was on that list for consensual sex with a lying girl who was days from being legal. She remained in love with him enough to show up at his every trial and try to put in a good word for his character.

    Then why didn’t the dumbshit just marry her before the trial?

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  115. @Alden
    Exactly how do the statutory rape laws serve the interest of the wealthy classes?

    Alden, I speak and write English quite well.

    Review, or not. Your option. This is an exception, as I usually do not respond to people who say that I have said something I did not say.

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    Again my question, what does serving the interests of the wealthy have to do with lawyers and statutory rape laws?
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  116. @Clyde
    In a few years all new automobiles will have a built in gps/tracking system with data uploaded to cloud storage. When this day comes the authorities will be able to review all the times you were speeding and did not get caught. Then lock you away forever. How about if they catch you twice in three years for speeding, then this triggers an automatic review of your past driving data, going back ten years.

    I think either they should check it always (speeding above the jail limit would trigger an alarm and lead to a sentencing), or only re-examine under special circumstances, like after an accident caused by you.

    Sitting on the data to lure you into committing more crimes somehow doesn’t feel right. The point shouldn’t be to impose maximum sentence, but to minimize the number of crimes committed. In the case of Larry Nassar, early victims who did not notify the authorities certainly share some responsibility for the later cases. Granted, most responsibility lies with the culprit himself, but still.

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  117. Truth says:
    @Dr. X

    Women, in general, lack judicial temperament and ought not to be on the bench (or practicing law, for that matter).
     
    c.f Sotomayor, Sonia, and Ginsburg, Ruth B.

    Women, in general, lack judicial temperament and ought not to be on the bench (or practicing law, for that matter).

    c.f Sotomayor, Sonia, and Ginsburg, Ruth B.

    Funny you should mention that, Old Sport; how would one know?

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  118. @Jonathan Mason

    They deserve the death penalty in either case, I wrote “underage girls” because Nassar had assaulted females under his care.
     
    The trouble with all this is that we don't know EXACTLY what Nassar did that constituted "assault".

    I think it is clear that he was guilty of medical malpractice in performing internal pelvic examinations that were not necessary or appropriate solely for his own sexual gratification.

    But where is the bright line that divides a pelvic examination from an "assault" IF THE PELVIC EXAMINATION WAS DONE CORRECTLY, ALBEIT UNNECESSARY AND WITHOUT THE REQUIRED CONSENTS BEING SIGNED BY THE PARENT OR GUARDIAN.

    If the young women did not know that they were being assaulted at the time, to what extent can they be said to have suffered? Did they suffer more pain than normal for a pelvic examination? Or did the suffering only start when they discovered that they had been taken for a ride?

    The trouble is that the criminal law is not really suited to dealing with these kinds of cases, because doctors are usually regarded as friends of the court, expert witnesses who advise the court, and so on, and there are no criminal courts that specialize in medical issues.

    If the young women did not know that they were being assaulted at the time, to what extent can they be said to have suffered? Did they suffer more pain than normal for a pelvic examination? Or did the suffering only start when they discovered that they had been taken for a ride?

    Entirely irrelevant. Mores have been violated, and cultural social conscience scarred forever.

    He knew what he did was wrong, very wrong, by all contemporary measure of morality.

    He should be hanged at the crossroads, and his body left to twist in the wind until the crows have left nothing but dry bones. Soil our virgin daughters, will he? Perhaps impalement would be better?

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    I. Nassar is an osteopath, not a medical dr. Osteopaths deal with bones not gynecology

    2. Internal gynecology exams are not normal for young girls or grown women unless there are indications of pregnancy, infections, STDs or some reason for the exam.

    Dancers, especially ballet dancers have all sorts of groin and pelvic problems, but the Drs and therapists don’t do internal exams.

    There was no reason for a general exam
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  119. Truth says:
    @neutral
    Everything he said in that comment was true (go ahead prove me wrong), what is it about the truth that you hate some much about it?

    …”She”…

    But hey, Tillie, you have an ally.

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  120. @Anonymous
    Men go to doctors who every once in a while place a gloved finger deep up their ass. Should they go to prison for decades? Just think, all those doctors enjoying their work.

    Men go to doctors who every once in a while place a gloved finger deep up their ass. Should they go to prison for decades?

    Mind your antecedents, bucko. You imply that rectally-tested men should go to prison.

    All the doctors that I know personally dislike, and strongly, that part of the standard physical exam. Perhaps your doctor enjoys it?

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  121. @anon
    OFF TOPIC, but still shocking:

    Two former employees of Common Good Books, the St. Paul bookstore [Garrison] Keillor owns, learned that one awkward day in May 2012.

    Molly Hilgenberg, now 31, said Keillor visited the shop only occasionally and left its day-to-day operation to employees. But he did stop by shortly after the bookstore moved from a basement in the Cathedral Hill neighborhood to a larger building near Macalester College.
    Hilgenberg, who now lives in northern California, said Keillor wrote a sexually suggestive limerick on a whiteboard behind the cash register. In the five lines, photos of which Hilgenberg shared with MPR News, Keillor wrote about another young female employee, whose physique he found arousing. Hilgenberg said she is certain that her co-worker was the subject of the poem.

    A beauty who goes to Macalester —
    O, her face, her limbs, her ballast, her
    Tiny blue kilt
    And the way she is built
    Could make a petrified phallus stir.


    Hilgenberg's co-worker was a Macalester student at the time. She did not want to be named, but confirmed the details of the incident to MPR News.

    Hilgenberg said they both found the verse offensive and demeaning, but felt powerless to do anything about it.

    "I'm pretty sure I didn't say anything other than 'Oh my gosh!'" Hilgenberg said. "I don't even really remember my reaction. I was just in shock. I was like, 'That is so wildly inappropriate' in my mind. But I didn't say anything, which I still regret to this day."

    Hilgenberg said the store staff feared Keillor's reaction if they were to erase the limerick, so they temporarily covered it with books and a portrait of F. Scott Fitzgerald. —MPR
     
    Keillor should be castrated and all his books burned.

    No he should not be castrated. The best tactic would be to record what he did, leave the message board as it is, then after Keillor left put up a sign that everything is free and going out of business, then all employees quit and walk out of the store. If Keillor has a problem with what happened, contact Gloria Stienem who would do back flips to take the case and rake him over the coals in the press.

    THAT would be a fantastic message to send to uncouth jerks like him.

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  122. @Alden
    i Thought you despised non European Christians to the point of leaving the Catholic Church* because it has non European clergy.

    * proof that you never were a catholic is the fact that you refer to it as the RCC. Catholics never never do that. I think you’re confusing it with the C of E.

    I didn’t catch that, but you are right. It’s just “The Church,” even for lapsed Catholics who are criticizing it, unless this is some sort of regionalism overseas somewhere.

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  123. Leom5120 says:

    Derbyshire proves himself to be loathsome yet again.

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  124. @Alden
    The victims did report it to the Olympic authorities coaches and others But nothing was done. There are many articles on the internet about how the victims tried to report him.

    So all those who’s duty was to prevent the crime will go Scot free?

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    Actually, most states have a law that says that everyone who has to do with children such as teachers, scout and activities leaders school bus drivers coached medical personal SHALL report any suspicion of child abuse within 24 hours of learning about it.

    That’s how physical Abuse gets into the courts. The Drs report it.

    The abuse can be physical mental emotional sexual or work abuse.

    So all those people in the gymnastics program and at the university hospital were guilty if they knew about it.
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  125. pyrrhus says:
    @Hibernian
    I'd call it harmless error. The perp deserves a life sentence. He is unquestionably guilty of multiple offenses including several against <15 y.o. victims. Her "death warrant" comment does give undeserved credence to the left wing "a life sentence is a death sentence" narrative. The comment was ill-advised.

    The whole trial was a joke and a total waste of money…The guy is already going to do 55 years Federal, so the State proceeding has no value. But I must say that repealing the 19th Amendment is a must if we are ever to emerge from this feminized, colonized, welfare loving sewer of a society…

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  126. @Truth
    So there shouldn't be an age of consent, is that your position?

    An age of consent which don’t respect adolescent passions… that’s my question.

    I no have position here, even i think would be good avoid sex during adolescence for most-one.

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    Just for giggles, go ahead and throw a reasonable number out there.
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  127. @Rosamond Vincy
    The guy was an osteopath, not a gynecologist. He was "treating" sore backs (endemic to gymnasts) by claiming an actual loose tissue disease could be diagnosed and treated by pelvic examinations. In some cases, he stuck his entire (ungloved) hand in the victim, something that even grown women can usually tolerate only when hormones have expanded the birth canal just prior to labor--too soon means losing the baby, and hormones (or if necessary, the episiotomy followed by the husband's knot) bring the dimensions more or less back to a normal state some time after childbirth (though as most parents can testify, things are never quite the same).

    Many of these girls were prepubescent, regardless of age. Estrogen is fat-based, and the intense training and resulting muscle-fat ratio means a lot of them get their first cycle in their 20s, if at all. What he did would have been intensely painful, traumatic both emotionally and physically. This wasn't an awkward third base during an adolescent make-out session: this was a grown man doing things that would have been painful for a GROEN woman not about to give birth, to teens with the bodies of ten-year-olds, or in some cases, to actual ten-year-olds. Ever try to do a split leap or a glide kip directly after vulvar and vaginal trauma? Would Mackayla Maroney's bronze in vault be a silver or a gold if she hadn't been freshly mauled by Nassar right before competition? Between molestation and malpractice, he deserves every second of his sentence.

    That said:

    1. The judge's behavior was pathetic. Judge Harold Rothwax was careful to avoid the appearance of partiality in the Lisa Steinberg case, because he wanted to be able to sentence Joel Steinberg to the maximum possible under the law at that time without risking a mistrial or an appeal. Acquilina should not have risked this conviction by indicating openly that she hoped Bubba and T-Bone would give Nassar the Welcome Wagon in General Pop, even if she privately thought it.

    2. The parents are pathetic. They send their kids away to be trained at a young age, and the kids are less street-smart than your average bridge-&-tunnel kid regularly taking the subway between boroughs. The kids also don't feel comfortable enough to ask their parents when they're not sure if something is right, and they don't want to let them down by not fulfilling all those Olympic dreams (the parents'; kids used to ask for gymnastics lessons in elementary or middle school, just like they asked for ballet or karate, but now they're put in as toddlers).

    You can bet if someone had suggested these "treatments" to me when I was doing competitive sports, I'd have been on the phone to my mother asking for advice before I'd have submitted to anything. My mother would have told me to leave IMMEDIATELY--but not before handing the phone to the "doctor" so she could give him a piece of her mind. Which everyone in a five-mile vicinity would have heard, without the existence of speakerphones. (A friend of mine who knew my mother said he wouldn't put it past her to travel cross-country to give someone like Nassar an earful.).

    These girls (and some boys: one girl saw her brother get stuck full of needles near the groin area--whether Nassar was qualified to use acupuncture is another question) are too cut off from a normal upbringing to know what is normal and what is not. This is just the beginning: figure-skating and professional ballet are undoubtedly next (they too privilege and also tend to produce undeveloped bodies), and it will make its way to boys' sports eventually.

    Doubtless, the best comment on the topic & one the best posts overall at frequently loony Unz site.

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  128. Bill P says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    The Brits still don’t have an online database where you can look up convicted sex offenders by name, and see their picture.
     
    If they did, lynch mobs would hunt them down and kill them. A few years ago a mob burned down the house of a pediatrician, simply because they confused the words pediatrician and pedophile. (These words are spelled slightly differently in England.)


    The strange thing is that this does not happen in the US.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/4719364.stm

    It used to happen in the US. I recall accused molesters being murdered and the cops doing nothing to solve the homicide as recently as the early 90s.

    But then when they did the registry and cracked down on crime in a big way in the mid 90s it turned out there were so many sex offenders in the US that killing them all would require industrial-scale murder.

    Not all that long ago somebody murdered a convicted sex offender near where I live. He had been jailed for sex with an underage teen girl, but he was pretty young himself (18 at the time), and he was the father of a little kid. So the guy gets murdered, then his wife falls apart and dies from drug abuse, and finally their kid – now an orphan – gets beaten to death in his new foster home. How’s that for vigilante justice?

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  129. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Isn’t Larry Nassar a porn star? There’s some Larry guy in porn I know that. Pornhub has a lot of videos like this where the girls are dressed up in their gymnast tights to make them look really young, then the coach or whatever bangs her 9 ways to Sunday. It’s pretty hot and most conservatives don’t really have too much of a problem with this type of stuff. I never heard about cops or judges or anything because it’s all business. Shouldn’t the Government stay out of these sex things period?

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  130. Avery says:

    {Doubtless, the best comment on the topic & one the best posts overall…}

    Agree.

    The post is the _only_ one that brings up the highly relevant fact that this guy is an osteopath, not a gyno. Strange that the author of the article did not mention it. If he were a gyno, what he did would still be very bad, but the fact he is an osteo and penetrated children, clearly nails it shut as to him getting life. (…..assuming of course that the info about him being an osteo and not a gyno is accurate).

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  131. njguy73 says:
    @Rosamond Vincy
    The guy was an osteopath, not a gynecologist. He was "treating" sore backs (endemic to gymnasts) by claiming an actual loose tissue disease could be diagnosed and treated by pelvic examinations. In some cases, he stuck his entire (ungloved) hand in the victim, something that even grown women can usually tolerate only when hormones have expanded the birth canal just prior to labor--too soon means losing the baby, and hormones (or if necessary, the episiotomy followed by the husband's knot) bring the dimensions more or less back to a normal state some time after childbirth (though as most parents can testify, things are never quite the same).

    Many of these girls were prepubescent, regardless of age. Estrogen is fat-based, and the intense training and resulting muscle-fat ratio means a lot of them get their first cycle in their 20s, if at all. What he did would have been intensely painful, traumatic both emotionally and physically. This wasn't an awkward third base during an adolescent make-out session: this was a grown man doing things that would have been painful for a GROEN woman not about to give birth, to teens with the bodies of ten-year-olds, or in some cases, to actual ten-year-olds. Ever try to do a split leap or a glide kip directly after vulvar and vaginal trauma? Would Mackayla Maroney's bronze in vault be a silver or a gold if she hadn't been freshly mauled by Nassar right before competition? Between molestation and malpractice, he deserves every second of his sentence.

    That said:

    1. The judge's behavior was pathetic. Judge Harold Rothwax was careful to avoid the appearance of partiality in the Lisa Steinberg case, because he wanted to be able to sentence Joel Steinberg to the maximum possible under the law at that time without risking a mistrial or an appeal. Acquilina should not have risked this conviction by indicating openly that she hoped Bubba and T-Bone would give Nassar the Welcome Wagon in General Pop, even if she privately thought it.

    2. The parents are pathetic. They send their kids away to be trained at a young age, and the kids are less street-smart than your average bridge-&-tunnel kid regularly taking the subway between boroughs. The kids also don't feel comfortable enough to ask their parents when they're not sure if something is right, and they don't want to let them down by not fulfilling all those Olympic dreams (the parents'; kids used to ask for gymnastics lessons in elementary or middle school, just like they asked for ballet or karate, but now they're put in as toddlers).

    You can bet if someone had suggested these "treatments" to me when I was doing competitive sports, I'd have been on the phone to my mother asking for advice before I'd have submitted to anything. My mother would have told me to leave IMMEDIATELY--but not before handing the phone to the "doctor" so she could give him a piece of her mind. Which everyone in a five-mile vicinity would have heard, without the existence of speakerphones. (A friend of mine who knew my mother said he wouldn't put it past her to travel cross-country to give someone like Nassar an earful.).

    These girls (and some boys: one girl saw her brother get stuck full of needles near the groin area--whether Nassar was qualified to use acupuncture is another question) are too cut off from a normal upbringing to know what is normal and what is not. This is just the beginning: figure-skating and professional ballet are undoubtedly next (they too privilege and also tend to produce undeveloped bodies), and it will make its way to boys' sports eventually.

    Bill Simmons, August 2004, ESPN.com, on Olympic gymnastics:

    As for the “women’s” (and I use that word loosely) gymnastics on Sunday night … I mean, what would possess someone to direct his or her daughter toward the seedy world of competitive gymnastics? Would you ever send your kid to the Karolyi Ranch? After the ongoing Michael Jackson fiasco, isn’t it every parent’s duty to avoid sending their kids to a place that features someone’s last name with the word “Ranch”? Besides, what’s the thought process behind pushing your child to such a sport?

    My daughter’s a little on the small side … maybe we should push her toward gymnastics. This way, she’ll look like a hobbit for the rest of her life; she won’t menstruate until she’s 25 years-old; she won’t be able to eat … EVER; she’ll never meet anyone other than tiny, non-menstruating gymnasts who look just like her; she’ll have a decent chance of being socially dysfunctional because she spent 15 hours a day in her formative years with a pommel horse and high bars prominently involved; and as an added bonus, a frightening Romanian will become the dominant father figure in her life. Also, she’ll suffer from chronic knee problems for the rest of her life. And we’ll make this gamble just in case she defies million-to-one odds and wins a medal some day, which she can hawk off some day to pay her bulimia/anorexia bills as an adult. This sounds fantastic! Sign me up!

    Does anyone else feel terrible for these girls? They look so damned tortured, don’t they? Like they might start uncontrollably crying at any moment? It’s almost like Karolyi tells them before the tournament, “If you don’t finish in the top five, I’m making you eat a double cheesburger, and you can’t throw it up!” These girls would have a better chance in life if someone had steered them toward porn. Anyway, I vote for the Janet Jones Corollary for all future women’s gymnastics events — unless you’re at least 5-foot-3, you have at least a 10 percent body fat, and you’re at least a B-cup, you can’t be on the team. That would solve everything.

    http://www.espn.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/faceoff/040817/part2

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    I wonder how many of these women testified against Nassar, even if they were not molested? It would be easy to claim molestation just for the money. The university could pay each woman one million dollars and give them a education "free ride", which would be a "drop in the bucket" for the university.
    This is the same situation as the Catholic priest homosexual molestation "problem". How many men who were pre-teen and teenage boys at the same parish at the same time the homosexual predator was committing his deeds? It would be easy to claim homosexual molestation, even if none occurred. FOLLOW THE MONEY.

    Of course, there is absolutely NO EXCUSE for the molestation that took place, in either case.

    , @Rosamond Vincy
    Long ago, the Olympic gymnasts looked like women. Muscular women, but definitely women--that at Ludmilla Tourischeva or Nelli Kim. They looked like that on my college team. I couldn't get serious training until I was in High School, and was at a disadvantage to those who started training in Jr. High: now none of us would ever get to compete at all.

    The switch from graceful, dance-influenced movements to power-Tumbling meant an undeveloped body would find it easier to do the moves. For comparison, find Floor Ex videos of Larisa Latynina (moves that wouldn't cut it on a Jr High team now, but SUCH elegance!), Olga Korbut or Nadia Comaneci (a balance of tumbling and dance, still with elements of artistry and playing to the audience), and any Olympian of the last two decades, with the sole exception of Laurie Hernandez, who actually PERFORMS instead of just competing.

    I loved the sport as a teen and it did me more good than harm, since it made me keep my grades up and avoid anything that would affect my coordination. But it is a horrible racket now, at least at the elite level.
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  132. Something that is often overlooked in commentaries on this wave of female sexual harassment claims is the role of feminist NGOs in encouraging and pressuring high profile women to come forward and report their stories. Once one women comes forward to talk about a creepy coach, feminist groups will no doubt be very active in encouraging other women to come forward and will advise them about how to talk to judges and the media. Similarly, a diverse bunch of female celebrities doesn’t just decide to wear black at an award ceremony to signal their solidarity with abused women. The idea comes from a left-wing activists group which tells them to it, and tells them they must use their celebrity power to increase awareness of female harassment. Modern progressives are heavily focused on raising public awareness of perceived social ills. This is why feminists groups are focusing so strongly on elite issues like the gender pay gap in Hollywood and sexual harassment of female celebrities and sports stars. Talking about grass roots progressive issues like the pay rates of rest home workers doesn’t attract much public interest.

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    Thank you, unpc, for your insightful comments. Mass hysteria of this nature (see Robert Bartholomew's article)
    https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/its-catching/201703/why-are-females-prone-mass-hysteria

    has many roots, much like the economy. (And reducing the economy's complexity to a few variables such as interest rates and money supply is too simplistic as many econometric computer modelers have learned to their chagrin even with all their parallel-processing Cray super-computers. )
    Part of its root structure is reflexive group think (aided by "well intended" laws and governmental programs such as Title IX), part is the natural progression from high-risk-tolerance youthful libido to angst-ridden resentful simmering rage, part the cynical use of scape-goating and witch burning to amass political power and individual celebrity, the Media jumping on board to sell advertising, tort lawyers, and on and on.... Once it was acceptable medical practice to alleviate female tension by pelvic manipulation but doctors eventually found this to be "...tiring and laborious..." per Wikipedia. Which resulted in the development of steam-powered manipulator "dildo" tables in the Industrial Age. (God bless Technology.)
    , @anarchyst
    Remember the McMartin daycare center trials and convictions, where vindictive prosecutors and totally dishonest psychologists "coached" kids into providing accusations that were blatantly false?
    How about the Wenatchee Washington daycare center "witch-hunts" in which a lone detective railroaded and destroyed the lives of daycare center operators by the same methods used in the McMartin daycare center case?
    Both cases are examples of malicious prosecution using discredited methods to get children to accuse adults of sordid events that never took place.
    Talk about hysteria exploding into totally unjust and criminal actions by police, prosecutors and courts...judicial grandstanding at its worst...
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  133. A very good piece by the Derb spoilt only by his (in this case) irrelevant racial references to the criminal and his judge’s ethnic origins. Neither child molestation nor hysterical outrage are the propriety of any single ethnic group.

    Apart from that he raises 3 hugely valid points 1) The punishment tariff relative to the crime and yes 10 years to me does seem about right. How John Warboys the soon to be paroled London black taxi 100 time rapist must be glad he isnt American! 2) The amazing silence of the victims and their parents which mirrors the silence of all Weinstein and Spacey et al victims for the reasons the Derb outlines so well and 3) The calm dispassionate approach to the dispensing of justice – or not in this case.

    This last point is the most concerning of all. Hysteria has already taken over the mass media and politics (think Russiagate) Now the courtroom is falling to judicial grandstanding – an inevitable consequence I suppose of the politicalization of all aspects of law and order, TV coverage of the courtroom and watching too many TV shows

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  134. anarchyst says:
    @njguy73
    Bill Simmons, August 2004, ESPN.com, on Olympic gymnastics:

    As for the "women's" (and I use that word loosely) gymnastics on Sunday night ... I mean, what would possess someone to direct his or her daughter toward the seedy world of competitive gymnastics? Would you ever send your kid to the Karolyi Ranch? After the ongoing Michael Jackson fiasco, isn't it every parent's duty to avoid sending their kids to a place that features someone's last name with the word "Ranch"? Besides, what's the thought process behind pushing your child to such a sport?

    My daughter's a little on the small side ... maybe we should push her toward gymnastics. This way, she'll look like a hobbit for the rest of her life; she won't menstruate until she's 25 years-old; she won't be able to eat ... EVER; she'll never meet anyone other than tiny, non-menstruating gymnasts who look just like her; she'll have a decent chance of being socially dysfunctional because she spent 15 hours a day in her formative years with a pommel horse and high bars prominently involved; and as an added bonus, a frightening Romanian will become the dominant father figure in her life. Also, she'll suffer from chronic knee problems for the rest of her life. And we'll make this gamble just in case she defies million-to-one odds and wins a medal some day, which she can hawk off some day to pay her bulimia/anorexia bills as an adult. This sounds fantastic! Sign me up!

    Does anyone else feel terrible for these girls? They look so damned tortured, don't they? Like they might start uncontrollably crying at any moment? It's almost like Karolyi tells them before the tournament, "If you don't finish in the top five, I'm making you eat a double cheesburger, and you can't throw it up!" These girls would have a better chance in life if someone had steered them toward porn. Anyway, I vote for the Janet Jones Corollary for all future women's gymnastics events -- unless you're at least 5-foot-3, you have at least a 10 percent body fat, and you're at least a B-cup, you can't be on the team. That would solve everything.
     
    http://www.espn.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/faceoff/040817/part2

    I wonder how many of these women testified against Nassar, even if they were not molested? It would be easy to claim molestation just for the money. The university could pay each woman one million dollars and give them a education “free ride”, which would be a “drop in the bucket” for the university.
    This is the same situation as the Catholic priest homosexual molestation “problem”. How many men who were pre-teen and teenage boys at the same parish at the same time the homosexual predator was committing his deeds? It would be easy to claim homosexual molestation, even if none occurred. FOLLOW THE MONEY.

    Of course, there is absolutely NO EXCUSE for the molestation that took place, in either case.

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  135. During court proceedings, Larry Nassar said these words, “I’ve been praying and saying my rosary” in reply to the judge asking him a question.

    Honestly, I thought the guy was Jewish and trying to deflect blame onto Catholics to spare Jews any more perverted publicity.

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    Not sure most non-Catholics would know that much about it, unless they've listened to Sister Mary Elephant routines. Once saw a post from a guy claiming to be a pro-Muslim Christian who said something about knowing authorities "who were descended in a direct line from Jesus Christ himself!" I don't think he meant spiritual children.

    If Nassar went to parochial school, his next step will be to blame Father Fingerprints and Sister Mary Molestation for why he turned out the way he did. Both will be conveniently dead, and other graduates of Holy Guacamole will protest (to no avail) that Father's homilies were a giant snooze pill and Sister was given to shredding poorly-written papers and egos in public, but neither was known to do anything pervy.
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  136. anarchyst says:
    @Patrick Sullivan
    I think you're way off target here, Derb. Nassar wasn't just some neighborhood pervert who tried to cop a feel while standing in line behind some girls. He was a physician in a position of trust and responsibility who used and abused that trust for his own.

    The victims testified during the trial that they thought his touching was part of the treatment, embarrassing as it was. That may not seem very intelligent or sensible of them, but there's no law saying a 13 year-old has to be very sensible and in fact she usually isn't, which is why we have laws to protect her. And in many cases their mistaken impression that Nassar's actions were legitimate medical ones was backed up by what they'd been led to believe. If every time a girl had a pulled groin muscle or similar injury she was treated by the assigned, trusted team physician with intrusive personal massing and the like, it was reasonable for her to conclude that that was the correct treatment.

    As for what you regard as an overly harsh or long sentence, Nassar assaulted over 160 girls and young women, many of them numerous times. Ten years would be less than a month served per victim. The logic in Norway seems to be that if you kill 90 teenagers you can only get the same sentence you could get for killing one. That type of thinking has never really caught on in the US except on the anti-punishment Left. And regarding ensuring he wouldn't be allowed to be around young girls if he did get out in ten years or less as still a relatively young man, there is no ensuring any such thing once he's out. You can write it on his parole papers but you can't keep him away from young girls if he's powerfully motivated to reoffend, as so many sex offenders are.

    I do agree with you on Aquilina's over the top sentencing harangue (which was a lot about her) and her gleefully judgmental condemnation. Yes, her hint that the 8th Amendment should perhaps be sidestepped in Nassar's case is unseemly to say the least.

    Since they were assaulted numerous times, where were the parents?
    Remember the McMartin daycare and Wenatchee Washington daycare trials in the 1980s? It turned out that there was no molestation taking place, yet the defendants’ lives’ were ruined with long prison sentences, etc.

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  137. @njguy73
    Bill Simmons, August 2004, ESPN.com, on Olympic gymnastics:

    As for the "women's" (and I use that word loosely) gymnastics on Sunday night ... I mean, what would possess someone to direct his or her daughter toward the seedy world of competitive gymnastics? Would you ever send your kid to the Karolyi Ranch? After the ongoing Michael Jackson fiasco, isn't it every parent's duty to avoid sending their kids to a place that features someone's last name with the word "Ranch"? Besides, what's the thought process behind pushing your child to such a sport?

    My daughter's a little on the small side ... maybe we should push her toward gymnastics. This way, she'll look like a hobbit for the rest of her life; she won't menstruate until she's 25 years-old; she won't be able to eat ... EVER; she'll never meet anyone other than tiny, non-menstruating gymnasts who look just like her; she'll have a decent chance of being socially dysfunctional because she spent 15 hours a day in her formative years with a pommel horse and high bars prominently involved; and as an added bonus, a frightening Romanian will become the dominant father figure in her life. Also, she'll suffer from chronic knee problems for the rest of her life. And we'll make this gamble just in case she defies million-to-one odds and wins a medal some day, which she can hawk off some day to pay her bulimia/anorexia bills as an adult. This sounds fantastic! Sign me up!

    Does anyone else feel terrible for these girls? They look so damned tortured, don't they? Like they might start uncontrollably crying at any moment? It's almost like Karolyi tells them before the tournament, "If you don't finish in the top five, I'm making you eat a double cheesburger, and you can't throw it up!" These girls would have a better chance in life if someone had steered them toward porn. Anyway, I vote for the Janet Jones Corollary for all future women's gymnastics events -- unless you're at least 5-foot-3, you have at least a 10 percent body fat, and you're at least a B-cup, you can't be on the team. That would solve everything.
     
    http://www.espn.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/faceoff/040817/part2

    Long ago, the Olympic gymnasts looked like women. Muscular women, but definitely women–that at Ludmilla Tourischeva or Nelli Kim. They looked like that on my college team. I couldn’t get serious training until I was in High School, and was at a disadvantage to those who started training in Jr. High: now none of us would ever get to compete at all.

    The switch from graceful, dance-influenced movements to power-Tumbling meant an undeveloped body would find it easier to do the moves. For comparison, find Floor Ex videos of Larisa Latynina (moves that wouldn’t cut it on a Jr High team now, but SUCH elegance!), Olga Korbut or Nadia Comaneci (a balance of tumbling and dance, still with elements of artistry and playing to the audience), and any Olympian of the last two decades, with the sole exception of Laurie Hernandez, who actually PERFORMS instead of just competing.

    I loved the sport as a teen and it did me more good than harm, since it made me keep my grades up and avoid anything that would affect my coordination. But it is a horrible racket now, at least at the elite level.

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  138. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    Is the concept of a death warrant (a.k.a. "execution warrant") obsolete in American law? No, says

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution_warrant

    But this judge told a convicted defendant, "I just signed your death warrant." How could this be true, if the sentence the judge imposed for the crime was not death, but imprisonment? Either the judge was lying, or signed a death warrant she was not authorized to sign.

    She was speaking figuratively, since he will die behind bars.

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  139. I had my two daughters aged 5 and 9 going to gymnastics classes for the last 9 months and just quit at the new year. I wish I could say that it was because of Larry Nasser, but it wasn’t. It was just that I was paying quite a lot of money for not very much, and even though the classes were prepaid, the school would often cancel classes for somewhat whimsical reasons. This was a very large and well known gymnastics school that must make a huge amount of money out of its hundreds of students. When I cancelled they told me I needed to give a month’s notice. I suggested they could fuck themselves.

    My kids were not bad at gymnastics. The 5-year old can do handstands and cartwheels and forward and sideways splits, but now she would prefer to go to dance classes instead in preparation for her self selected career as a rock star and doctor combined.

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  140. @Jonathan Mason

    Once we became teenagers that requirement was eliminated, which was a big relief to us girls because once we passed puberty a routine physical exam was expected to include the doctor putting on his gloves and you putting your feet up in the stirrups. Are internal exams for females no longer part of a general physical examination?
     
    It may be that women, even very young ones are pretty much used to having internal examinations, though I am not sure what the point of them would be unless the woman was complaining of some symptoms, or pregnant.

    However my understanding from some of the remarks made by the victims of Dr. Nassar is that he was doing these exams without gloves, which is very odd indeed, if true.

    Also, if the examinations were done in a bona fide medical examination, there should be in existence a written record of each examination stating the purpose, findings, and so on and peer group review by other doctors should be able fairly easily to determine whether this was legitimate best practice, or just a perv copping a feel.

    The press reporting has been rather sensational and lacking in solid detail, as usual.

    The judge, as others have said, seems to have been inappropriate in her remarks.

    The sentence does seem excessive.

    However my understanding from some of the remarks made by the victims of Dr. Nassar is that he was doing these exams without gloves, which is very odd indeed, if true.

    Well it’s finger-licking good.

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  141. Truth says:
    @Santoculto
    An age of consent which don't respect adolescent passions... that's my question.

    I no have position here, even i think would be good avoid sex during adolescence for most-one.

    Just for giggles, go ahead and throw a reasonable number out there.

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    I'm not concluding nothing and NO HAVE a reasonable number when people mature in different times. Even Lolitas and Lolitos there are.
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  142. @anonymous
    My comments on Mr. Derbyshire's columns are infrequent and overwhelmingly negative. Note the typical, needless asides about the defendant's and judge's ancestry, generalizations about women in public life, and nasty insinuations about the victims and their families. Racebaiting and other provocative statements are how he makes his living.

    But his main point today is correct. If there remains any sense of impartial justice, then Judge Aquilina will be reversed and rebuked. As trashy as our columnist, she as disgraced her judicial office.

    My comments on Mr. Derbyshire’s columns are infrequent and overwhelmingly negative. Note the typical, needless asides about the defendant’s and judge’s ancestry, generalizations about women in public life, and nasty insinuations about the victims and their families. Racebaiting and other provocative statements are how he makes his living.

    What is a pussy like you doing reading the Unz Review?

    Your contemptible views would be better served reading the Jew York Crimes.

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    Looking at dumb WNs embarrassing themselves and their claim to high IQ is one major driver.
    , @anonymous
    Why so emotional about my comment #1?* Are racebaiting and other provocative statements not how he makes his living? That is why you read Mr. Derbyshire, isn’t it?

    ————

    *The other anonymous commenter who has since weighed in with you is someone else.

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  143. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Thorfinnsson


    My comments on Mr. Derbyshire’s columns are infrequent and overwhelmingly negative. Note the typical, needless asides about the defendant’s and judge’s ancestry, generalizations about women in public life, and nasty insinuations about the victims and their families. Racebaiting and other provocative statements are how he makes his living.
     
    What is a pussy like you doing reading the Unz Review?

    Your contemptible views would be better served reading the Jew York Crimes.

    Looking at dumb WNs embarrassing themselves and their claim to high IQ is one major driver.

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    LOL, here, here!

    heh heh heh heh
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  144. @Curtis Mouser
    And they get caught up in hysterical witch-hunts that are highly politicized aimed at enforcing orthodoxy.

    This 'judge' is Exhibit A in everything a judge should NOT be - uncontrolled, pandering, vengeful, hysterical, highly political, feminist etc...

    Well said. I had read a headline about this and thought that “death sentence” remark was kinda weird because it was “judge sentenced” the perp type of headline and then I saw a video and heard the judge speaking and realized it was a woman judge and then it all made sense.

    A judges job is to follow the rule of law without emotion, this judge enacted revenge.

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  145. @Intelligent Dasein

    I looked once, in my L.A.-area neighborhood. 90% were Hispanic guys in their 20s – 30s who were banging a teen girlfriend. Meh. Angry fathers—in denial about their daughters’ sexuality—are to blame for this list, and anyone on it.
     
    But here's the problem with this sort of analysis.

    1. The law of the land is not a salad bar where you pick what you want and ignore the rest. People are not at liberty to violate laws just because they don't happen to agree with them. You may not think that banging your teen girlfriend is a crime, but the State of California does and it is the one with the say-so.

    2. No father should be okay with his teen daughter banging 30-year-old men behind his back. A man that age should go to the father and ask him for permission to court his daughter. If they really wish to marry, the girl can do so with parental permission. If the man's intentions are not serious and he is only using the daughter as a slut, the father has every right to be pissed off and so he reaches for the only weapon available to him---the sex offender registry. Of course there are other ways to solve this problem, the simplest being remaining chaste until you can solemnize your relationship.

    Oh, I agree 100% with your analysis. My comment was attempting to be descriptive, but I can see how it came across as prescriptive. I had opportunities as a 20-something to have dalliances with high school girls partying in places they shouldn’t have been, but my brain easily over-rode the libido. Not worth violating this particular “social construct.”

    I would say, however, that I don’t like the idea of a father using police and lawyers to enact his (justifiable) anger. He has every right to be angry at an older guy using his teen daughter for sex. I would simply prefer he beat up the horndog or take a rifle to his Camaro’s tires as opposed to sending him through a legal process that will turn him into an unproductive pariah.

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    What about the guys on the list for peeing into the bushes? And the kiddies nailed for sexting?
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  146. 3g4me says:
    @Rosamond Vincy
    The guy was an osteopath, not a gynecologist. He was "treating" sore backs (endemic to gymnasts) by claiming an actual loose tissue disease could be diagnosed and treated by pelvic examinations. In some cases, he stuck his entire (ungloved) hand in the victim, something that even grown women can usually tolerate only when hormones have expanded the birth canal just prior to labor--too soon means losing the baby, and hormones (or if necessary, the episiotomy followed by the husband's knot) bring the dimensions more or less back to a normal state some time after childbirth (though as most parents can testify, things are never quite the same).

    Many of these girls were prepubescent, regardless of age. Estrogen is fat-based, and the intense training and resulting muscle-fat ratio means a lot of them get their first cycle in their 20s, if at all. What he did would have been intensely painful, traumatic both emotionally and physically. This wasn't an awkward third base during an adolescent make-out session: this was a grown man doing things that would have been painful for a GROEN woman not about to give birth, to teens with the bodies of ten-year-olds, or in some cases, to actual ten-year-olds. Ever try to do a split leap or a glide kip directly after vulvar and vaginal trauma? Would Mackayla Maroney's bronze in vault be a silver or a gold if she hadn't been freshly mauled by Nassar right before competition? Between molestation and malpractice, he deserves every second of his sentence.

    That said:

    1. The judge's behavior was pathetic. Judge Harold Rothwax was careful to avoid the appearance of partiality in the Lisa Steinberg case, because he wanted to be able to sentence Joel Steinberg to the maximum possible under the law at that time without risking a mistrial or an appeal. Acquilina should not have risked this conviction by indicating openly that she hoped Bubba and T-Bone would give Nassar the Welcome Wagon in General Pop, even if she privately thought it.

    2. The parents are pathetic. They send their kids away to be trained at a young age, and the kids are less street-smart than your average bridge-&-tunnel kid regularly taking the subway between boroughs. The kids also don't feel comfortable enough to ask their parents when they're not sure if something is right, and they don't want to let them down by not fulfilling all those Olympic dreams (the parents'; kids used to ask for gymnastics lessons in elementary or middle school, just like they asked for ballet or karate, but now they're put in as toddlers).

    You can bet if someone had suggested these "treatments" to me when I was doing competitive sports, I'd have been on the phone to my mother asking for advice before I'd have submitted to anything. My mother would have told me to leave IMMEDIATELY--but not before handing the phone to the "doctor" so she could give him a piece of her mind. Which everyone in a five-mile vicinity would have heard, without the existence of speakerphones. (A friend of mine who knew my mother said he wouldn't put it past her to travel cross-country to give someone like Nassar an earful.).

    These girls (and some boys: one girl saw her brother get stuck full of needles near the groin area--whether Nassar was qualified to use acupuncture is another question) are too cut off from a normal upbringing to know what is normal and what is not. This is just the beginning: figure-skating and professional ballet are undoubtedly next (they too privilege and also tend to produce undeveloped bodies), and it will make its way to boys' sports eventually.

    @113 Rosamond Vincy: Kudos on a well conceived and written comment. What Nassar did was inexcusable, but the fame-struck and egotistical parents are equally despicable. While I detest our vile court system and judges’ hubris in general, Aquilina struck me as the epitome of histrionic. A la Ruth Buzzie Ginsberg claiming to have been sexually harassed – all jump aboard the “metoo” everlasting estrogen train.

    Women need to shut the hell up and get out of most of public life where they are ill-suited, ill-trained, and ill-intentioned. With rare exceptions (and your comment indicates you are one), most women cannot separate the rational from the emotional.

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    , @Sin City Milla
    I have to agree. Even the engineers. Smart but still see the world thru sin-colored glasses. If their presumption of moral superiority is challenged they explode into scornful hysterics which quickly morph into "that's racist and/or sexist", angry declarations of universal need by some women somewhere in the world, finally followed by tears. Wait...that was the Democrat presidential playbook...
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  147. @Diversity Heretic
    I remember the highly inappropriate behavior of the female trial judge in the Georges Zimmerman case. Women, in general, lack judicial temperament and ought not to be on the bench (or practicing law, for that matter).

    “Women, in general, lack judicial temperament and ought not to be on the bench (or practicing law, for that matter).”

    I’ve yet to meet a woman who cared to discuss an issue of the day in transcendent, impartial, objective terms. As has been said, for a woman, Right and Wrong are determined by what’s good for her kids.

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  148. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    America has terrible unemployment, some of the worst income inequality in the world, the biggest prison system in the world and suddenly you’re being told what old grandpa supposedly did to the kids on Little House on the Prairie. The US economy depends on millions of sheep getting raped and molested by white collar crime so the plan is to copy the Khmer Rouge and round up the sexual deviants to make things fair.

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  149. @gp
    I'm a Derb fan, so I know about his family, and "The Talk," and so forth. Your reply is better, more substantive, than your merely bilious comment; thanks.

    Among other things, you ask "a simple question: which people are better – the English or the Chinese?" I think Derb and race realists are more interested in proving that there are scientifically proven measurable differences among the races of man, and are less interested in the normative question of which race is "better." Once the racial differences are faced objectively (not suppressed, as they are today,) each person can make his own individual judgement which is "better" according to his own norms; we have a right to inquire and form our own opinions.

    For example, if one race is, ceteris paribus, more uncontrollably violent than another, some people might judge the latter "better" than the former. That's a normative judgement, not a scientific fact. It's a judgement I would share, so sue me. If it's Derb's judgement, fine with me.

    As for Derb's family, I envy him and his. He married well. I want you to consider the proposition that men and women of opposite political views, and different races, can love and cherish each other, and have fine happy families.

    You are one degenerate cuck. You envy Derbyshire? WOW!!! Are you trying to import an Asian woman into the USA? People of different political view and races can love each? You sound like a teenager. I don’t respect liberal men because logically they are idiots. Blacks/Asians are inferior races so why would a Caucasian pollute his offspring’s bloodline? I listed facts about his worthless spawn and you consider them a fine family? WOW!!! I did give Derbyshire a chance. Asian genes can be recessive over time. What he would have to do is go to an AmRen conference and announce that he knows the West is best, being white is best and then his wife and children would have to go on stage and say the same thing. They would give thanks for being a part of the West. But when Derbyshire gave me his Stalin/Harding comparison, he basically stated that the Chinese are superior to whites. I don’t know if he realizes that the Japanese are smarter than the Chinese. The Japanese are still inferior to Caucasians/Europeans though.

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    What he would have to do is go to an AmRen conference and announce that he knows the West is best, being white is best and then his wife and children would have to go on stage and say the same thing. They would give thanks for being a part of the West.
     
    Derb, I'd talk it over with Suzy if I were you.
    , @Alden
    What’s wrong with Asians? More to the point, what’s wrong with you?
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  150. Truth says:
    @anonymous
    Looking at dumb WNs embarrassing themselves and their claim to high IQ is one major driver.

    LOL, here, here!

    heh heh heh heh

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    It’s “hear, hear.” Pet peeve
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  151. Truth says:
    @attilathehen
    You are one degenerate cuck. You envy Derbyshire? WOW!!! Are you trying to import an Asian woman into the USA? People of different political view and races can love each? You sound like a teenager. I don't respect liberal men because logically they are idiots. Blacks/Asians are inferior races so why would a Caucasian pollute his offspring's bloodline? I listed facts about his worthless spawn and you consider them a fine family? WOW!!! I did give Derbyshire a chance. Asian genes can be recessive over time. What he would have to do is go to an AmRen conference and announce that he knows the West is best, being white is best and then his wife and children would have to go on stage and say the same thing. They would give thanks for being a part of the West. But when Derbyshire gave me his Stalin/Harding comparison, he basically stated that the Chinese are superior to whites. I don't know if he realizes that the Japanese are smarter than the Chinese. The Japanese are still inferior to Caucasians/Europeans though.

    What he would have to do is go to an AmRen conference and announce that he knows the West is best, being white is best and then his wife and children would have to go on stage and say the same thing. They would give thanks for being a part of the West.

    Derb, I’d talk it over with Suzy if I were you.

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    Being a professional troublemaker seems fun
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  152. @Boston guy
    During court proceedings, Larry Nassar said these words, "I've been praying and saying my rosary" in reply to the judge asking him a question.

    Honestly, I thought the guy was Jewish and trying to deflect blame onto Catholics to spare Jews any more perverted publicity.

    Not sure most non-Catholics would know that much about it, unless they’ve listened to Sister Mary Elephant routines. Once saw a post from a guy claiming to be a pro-Muslim Christian who said something about knowing authorities “who were descended in a direct line from Jesus Christ himself!” I don’t think he meant spiritual children.

    If Nassar went to parochial school, his next step will be to blame Father Fingerprints and Sister Mary Molestation for why he turned out the way he did. Both will be conveniently dead, and other graduates of Holy Guacamole will protest (to no avail) that Father’s homilies were a giant snooze pill and Sister was given to shredding poorly-written papers and egos in public, but neither was known to do anything pervy.

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  153. Thank you for the compliment, but in my family, my mother usually had the cooler head.

    Had my father found out about someone like Nassar, my mother would have had to discourage him from going after the guy with a lead pipe.

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  154. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Truth

    What he would have to do is go to an AmRen conference and announce that he knows the West is best, being white is best and then his wife and children would have to go on stage and say the same thing. They would give thanks for being a part of the West.
     
    Derb, I'd talk it over with Suzy if I were you.

    Being a professional troublemaker seems fun

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    Dude, it's a rough job, but somebody's...
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  155. Alden says:
    @Steve Gittelson

    If the young women did not know that they were being assaulted at the time, to what extent can they be said to have suffered? Did they suffer more pain than normal for a pelvic examination? Or did the suffering only start when they discovered that they had been taken for a ride?
     
    Entirely irrelevant. Mores have been violated, and cultural social conscience scarred forever.

    He knew what he did was wrong, very wrong, by all contemporary measure of morality.

    He should be hanged at the crossroads, and his body left to twist in the wind until the crows have left nothing but dry bones. Soil our virgin daughters, will he? Perhaps impalement would be better?

    I. Nassar is an osteopath, not a medical dr. Osteopaths deal with bones not gynecology

    2. Internal gynecology exams are not normal for young girls or grown women unless there are indications of pregnancy, infections, STDs or some reason for the exam.

    Dancers, especially ballet dancers have all sorts of groin and pelvic problems, but the Drs and therapists don’t do internal exams.

    There was no reason for a general exam

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    Entirely irrelevant. Mores have been violated, and cultural social conscience scarred forever.

    He knew what he did was wrong, very wrong, by all contemporary measure of morality.

    He should be hanged at the crossroads, and his body left to twist in the wind until the crows have left nothing but dry bones. Soil our virgin daughters, will he? Perhaps impalement would be better?



    Alden, me boy, don't try teaching your grand-daddy to suck eggs, eh?
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  156. Alden says:
    @Steve Gittelson
    Alden, I speak and write English quite well.

    Review, or not. Your option. This is an exception, as I usually do not respond to people who say that I have said something I did not say.

    Again my question, what does serving the interests of the wealthy have to do with lawyers and statutory rape laws?

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    Again my question, what does serving the interests of the wealthy have to do with lawyers and statutory rape laws?
     
    Oh, a true case of "cannot understand", as opposed to "does not understand".

    For many years, under these circumstances, I would launch lengthy and detailed explanation, attempting, exhaustively, to find that one little element of misunderstanding within the reader, and correct it.

    I don't do that any more.

    Bye now.
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  157. Alden says:
    @Inquiring Mind
    Two points.

    My understanding is that the trial phase had, what was it, 10 accusers testifying and also answering cross examination -- the Constitutional right of confronting one's accusers. The sentencing phase had the judge permitting testimony from a much larger number of accusers.

    Why only 10 women testifying at trial? Testifying and responding to cross examination is not a trivial thing for the witness, so the prosecution balanced making their case through corroborating witnesses against subjecting more witnesses to this process. But permitting many more witnesses at the sentencing phase, woman who were not subject to cross examination, this sounds like something for an appellate court panel to evaluate?

    Then there is the death-warrant remark? Not only does it work against impartiality of the judge, it opens the question as to whether committing a person to prison under such circumstances has a reasonable expectation that they won't live out their natural life? We joke about extrajudicial punishment at the hands of other prisoners, it is a scandal of our prison system that such extrajudicial punishment is a fact of prison life and death, but for a judge to make such a remark? Could an appeals court rule that the judge was meting out the sentence with a reasonable expectation that the prisoner won't die of natural causes in prison? That opens up all manner of trouble.

    The man is convicted and is handed a severe sentence, so why did the trial judge do this?

    Appellate courts only deal with the trial itself, not the sentencing. The sentence must be in accord with the applicable state and federal sentencing guidelines. But with 10 cases for which he was convicted a separate sentence for each conviction was in accord with Michigan law.

    If Nassar has any money left he could probably convince an attorney to appeal the sentence.

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  158. llloyd says: • Website
    @Bragadocious
    If they confused the words "paedophile" and "paediatrician" then I'd say Britain has much bigger problems than vigilante mobs. But I guess we kinda knew that.

    I don’t think they did confuse those words. The evil seed of suspicion towards adults in all physical contact with children has been planted. So long as the present system continues, it will not go away.

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  159. @anon
    OFF TOPIC, but still shocking:

    Two former employees of Common Good Books, the St. Paul bookstore [Garrison] Keillor owns, learned that one awkward day in May 2012.

    Molly Hilgenberg, now 31, said Keillor visited the shop only occasionally and left its day-to-day operation to employees. But he did stop by shortly after the bookstore moved from a basement in the Cathedral Hill neighborhood to a larger building near Macalester College.
    Hilgenberg, who now lives in northern California, said Keillor wrote a sexually suggestive limerick on a whiteboard behind the cash register. In the five lines, photos of which Hilgenberg shared with MPR News, Keillor wrote about another young female employee, whose physique he found arousing. Hilgenberg said she is certain that her co-worker was the subject of the poem.

    A beauty who goes to Macalester —
    O, her face, her limbs, her ballast, her
    Tiny blue kilt
    And the way she is built
    Could make a petrified phallus stir.


    Hilgenberg's co-worker was a Macalester student at the time. She did not want to be named, but confirmed the details of the incident to MPR News.

    Hilgenberg said they both found the verse offensive and demeaning, but felt powerless to do anything about it.

    "I'm pretty sure I didn't say anything other than 'Oh my gosh!'" Hilgenberg said. "I don't even really remember my reaction. I was just in shock. I was like, 'That is so wildly inappropriate' in my mind. But I didn't say anything, which I still regret to this day."

    Hilgenberg said the store staff feared Keillor's reaction if they were to erase the limerick, so they temporarily covered it with books and a portrait of F. Scott Fitzgerald. —MPR
     
    Keillor should be castrated and all his books burned.

    Hardly; and hashtag who cares.

    Somebody felt bad?

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  160. Truth says:
    @anonymous
    Being a professional troublemaker seems fun

    Dude, it’s a rough job, but somebody’s…

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  161. Alden says:
    @SMK
    The sex crime laws of Michigan and the penalties inflicted on offenders, especially those who have sex with young men and women under statutory age, are hideously draconian. They're not just irrational, iniquitous, and grotesquely excessive and disproportionate. They're insane. Actually, to call then insane is an understatement, They're beyond insanity.

    To give but one example: the generic age of consent in Michigan is 16. So men ages 18 to 80 --apparently including violent and recidivist criminals who've never been convicted of a sexual offense- are free to have sex with girls of 16 and 17. But women teachers who have love affairs or engage in one act of coitus or fellatio with male students, even those one day short of their 16th birthdays, are guilty of a felony with a maximum sentence of 25-year to life in prison and a mandatory minimum of 8-25 years and a lifetime of draconian/Orwellian persecution.

    Shouldn’t women teachers be aware of the laws and hold off till the boy is 16.

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  162. I too wondered what actual offence he had committed, because news reports were so vague.

    In sentencing, the judge was clearly enjoying herself rather too much. Justice is supposed to be dispassionate, and by taking such pleasure she has foolishly given the perp grounds for appeal against his sentence. Also it is doubtful she understands what is meant by a “death warrant”.

    Not that Nassar deserves any sympathy, but 235 years is an absurdity. Equally, 5 to 10 is too short, especially by US sentencing standards. 20 years would be appropriate, making him 74 on his release.

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  163. markflag says:

    Admittedly I did not read everything written about this case. However, a question that continues to bother me is where in the hell was the nurse or other female who is to be in a room when a physician examines a female? Did the she remain on the other side of the screen? No male physician in his right mind is alone with a female during an exam, particularly if it is going to involve the pelvis. MSU, the gymnastics people, and if there was one, the nurse was remiss in this one.

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    A nurse in the room when a male dr does a pelvic exam is no longer customary.

    Plus, he wasn’t even a medical Dr, let alone a gynecologist. He was an osteopath which has nothing to do wit internal pelvic exams

    It’s as though a dentist presented to do a breast’s exam while the patient is trapped in the chair.
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  164. @3g4me
    @113 Rosamond Vincy: Kudos on a well conceived and written comment. What Nassar did was inexcusable, but the fame-struck and egotistical parents are equally despicable. While I detest our vile court system and judges' hubris in general, Aquilina struck me as the epitome of histrionic. A la Ruth Buzzie Ginsberg claiming to have been sexually harassed - all jump aboard the "metoo" everlasting estrogen train.

    Women need to shut the hell up and get out of most of public life where they are ill-suited, ill-trained, and ill-intentioned. With rare exceptions (and your comment indicates you are one), most women cannot separate the rational from the emotional.

    Please see 153 for reply–got misplaced somehow.

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  165. @Almost Missouri
    I'm not unsympathetic, but remember, the Feminists™ wanted the same standards for women as for men, so now this happens. The sentence may not be just, but the cause is falsely treating unlike things as if they were like, which is the basis of Feminism™. Don't like these outcomes? Remove the cause. Remove Feminism™.

    OTOH, while you are correct that the 15 year old "biological men" with whom they had sex were probably not really harmed in a way that justifies the 15- and 25-year sentences the women got, there were still victims: the women's husbands and the communities who employed them to teach their young impartially rather than to go on sex benders with them. Unfortunately, again due to Feminism, these victims are now discounted. In the more enlightened ages of the past, these women still would have been prosecuted and penalized, just for more valid reasons.

    So in summary, the real problem is the false dogma of Feminism™. The cure is the truth of redpilled realism.

    Fine print: Yes, Simon claimed the 15 year old forced himself on her, but her lingerie-clad messages professing "love" to him suggest otherwise. Ronk's sentence was not "under" plea bargain but in addition to a plea bargain. In other words, she was hooking up with a lot of her pupils.

    In the more enlightened ages of the past, these women still would have been prosecuted and penalized, just for more valid reasons.

    No, more likely they would have lost their jobs and been shamed out of town.

    But then, how often did this kind of thing happen in our grandpappies’ day?

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    Maybe more than you think. A lot of men I knew told me their first sex experience was at 16 or so with an adult woman, generally a neighbor or parents friend.
    , @Anon
    Well, it happened in "A Streetcar Named Desire", but that's a small sample size.
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  166. @Steve Gittelson
    Freedom of speech is good. It means that attilathehen can display his rather comical misconceptions for everyone to see, and for everyone to laugh at.

    In fact, there's nothing I like better than to see a warped personality like attilahen pour out his hatred. Good for him, and the bestest ever warning for the rest of us.

    In fact, there’s nothing I like better than to see a warped personality like attilahen pour out his [sic] hatred.

    How much does the SPLC pay him by the word? They’re notoriously rich, but also notoriously cheap.

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    Misuse of "sic".
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  167. Under the law of unintended consequences I predict that male doctors will now stop seeing females just as they have stopped prescribing pain meds. As a lawyer I stopped meeting female clients years ago unless in a public place with cameras running. I advise anyone contemplating going on a date to bring a third party chaperone who runs video the whole time…n of course get a pre-date pre-nup signed n notarized beforehand.

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  168. @3g4me
    @113 Rosamond Vincy: Kudos on a well conceived and written comment. What Nassar did was inexcusable, but the fame-struck and egotistical parents are equally despicable. While I detest our vile court system and judges' hubris in general, Aquilina struck me as the epitome of histrionic. A la Ruth Buzzie Ginsberg claiming to have been sexually harassed - all jump aboard the "metoo" everlasting estrogen train.

    Women need to shut the hell up and get out of most of public life where they are ill-suited, ill-trained, and ill-intentioned. With rare exceptions (and your comment indicates you are one), most women cannot separate the rational from the emotional.

    I have to agree. Even the engineers. Smart but still see the world thru sin-colored glasses. If their presumption of moral superiority is challenged they explode into scornful hysterics which quickly morph into “that’s racist and/or sexist”, angry declarations of universal need by some women somewhere in the world, finally followed by tears. Wait…that was the Democrat presidential playbook…

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  169. The whole sentencing was an “I”-fest. The judge was all about her OWN sensitivities, she used “I” and “me” dozens of times. She was the STAR!

    But Wise Latinas are feminists and WOMEN first, so I expect the kind of attention-whoring she poured out while preening for the camera. Had this been a simple sentencing without cameras, she woulda dropped it on the guy and gaveled it closed. But because we had cameras her attention-whoring went on longer than Gettysburg.

    I blame women for the entire thing anyway. It’s all stage mothers, pushing the daughters, it’s parents, mother-driven, ignoring the signs, because the mothers of Olympians get lots of attention, too. The fathers who didn’t sniff this out decades ago indicate to me a bunch of either losers, OR, they were willing for their daughters to do this because after all, college is expensive.

    And yeah, dammit, girls 13-18 years old were under the hands of this guy, but they don’t get a walk either, not from me, a father of a daughter who had promiscuous friends. I’m not a fucking idiot, nor did I raise one. Victims, my ass. Most of these girls were 14-16, older than typical girls start having sex out in the liberal world. Don’t PLAY the innocent virgin routine on me. That’s bullshit. Honey-babe, we’ve been feeding these girls, ALL GIRLS and especially Northeast liberals’ children, everything they ever wanted to know about sex before they’re ten or 12. They know about sex, orgasms,, anal sex, fisting, they’ve been reading romance novels their entire lives about the older-man, younger girls combo their entire lives. They know every aspect of human sexuality before their first period of menstruation. I know because when I was 12 or 13 I was doing most of the things to girls my age the doctor was doing to them and we’re 50 years hence. The girls knew. They know everything, feminists INSIST the girls know everything.

    And so don’t tell me 16 year old Alley Riassemen or whatever her name is didn’t KNOW that when he was finger-fucking her that her orgasms were rape-abuse. These girls lined up for these treatments and competed for his time and efforts against one another for twenty years, they had crushes on him, they wrote love letters, they texted him, there was much back and forth traffic in text and email betweent the girls and this ‘Doctor”. There are REASONS for that, not the least, sexual. They now act, because they got caught and are told how NOW to act, like it was abuse. These girls KNEW. Sorry, they did. This stuff is common in the ballet world, too. Investigate the Washington Ballet, the lesbians and their benefactors in the Ballet down there exhibit extraordinary attention toward the 12-15 year old girls in those programs. Get some of the openly lesbian choreographers and ballet teachers on the stand, let’s get the story on THEM. There are no excuses for the adults, but don’t tell me girls past the age of consent who went to these “treatments” didn’t know it was sex, plain and simple. If it was rape, like they were told to say at trial, they wouldn’t have undergone his treatments. We make very sure to educate the girls as to sex and what feels good. This guy took advantage and many, if not most of the girls enjoyed the attention, I don’t give two shits what the judge or the girls said. Crocodile tears for the civil actions to follow. One thing I can tell you about women and rape, when it comes to ‘rape’, money is the salve that soothes, somehow. HOW does that work?

    But by all means, let’s play make believe. Let’s pretend all the girls were innocent. Let’s pretend the parents didn’t know, the universities didn’t know, the U.S. Olympic Committee didn’t know. And especially, let’s pretend this Female Judge Alito is honorable, truthful and was merely meting out justice. She knows, too. But at least she got it out of HER system. It’s all about the women.

    Pooooor women..

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    And so don’t tell me 16 year old Alley Riassemen or whatever her name is didn’t KNOW that when he was finger-fucking her that her orgasms were rape-abuse. These girls lined up for these treatments and competed for his time and efforts against one another for twenty years, they had crushes on him, they wrote love letters, they texted him, there was much back and forth traffic in text and email betweent the girls and this ‘Doctor”. There are REASONS for that, not the least, sexual.

     

    Hey those little "girls" were under a lot of stress. After F-Fing a few hundred broads, the Doc. probably got pretty good at it. All that travel and exercise probably made them want to relax a bit.

    Simone Biles - Ally this practice was really hard today are you going to join me to get a massage and sit in the sauna?

    Ally Raisman- Nah, you go ahead, I'm just going to Nassar's office for a half hour...
    , @Steve Gittelson
    God DAMN, but you hate women, Jimbo. You're a freak circus of chick-hate. I do hope the root cause is not homosexuality, as we sure don't need any more of those here.

    I rarely recommend psychological evaluation, but you are in deep doo-doo mentally, poor devil.
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  170. Alden says:
    @markflag
    Admittedly I did not read everything written about this case. However, a question that continues to bother me is where in the hell was the nurse or other female who is to be in a room when a physician examines a female? Did the she remain on the other side of the screen? No male physician in his right mind is alone with a female during an exam, particularly if it is going to involve the pelvis. MSU, the gymnastics people, and if there was one, the nurse was remiss in this one.

    A nurse in the room when a male dr does a pelvic exam is no longer customary.

    Plus, he wasn’t even a medical Dr, let alone a gynecologist. He was an osteopath which has nothing to do wit internal pelvic exams

    It’s as though a dentist presented to do a breast’s exam while the patient is trapped in the chair.

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  171. Alden says:
    @attilathehen
    You are one degenerate cuck. You envy Derbyshire? WOW!!! Are you trying to import an Asian woman into the USA? People of different political view and races can love each? You sound like a teenager. I don't respect liberal men because logically they are idiots. Blacks/Asians are inferior races so why would a Caucasian pollute his offspring's bloodline? I listed facts about his worthless spawn and you consider them a fine family? WOW!!! I did give Derbyshire a chance. Asian genes can be recessive over time. What he would have to do is go to an AmRen conference and announce that he knows the West is best, being white is best and then his wife and children would have to go on stage and say the same thing. They would give thanks for being a part of the West. But when Derbyshire gave me his Stalin/Harding comparison, he basically stated that the Chinese are superior to whites. I don't know if he realizes that the Japanese are smarter than the Chinese. The Japanese are still inferior to Caucasians/Europeans though.

    What’s wrong with Asians? More to the point, what’s wrong with you?

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    I'm ok, you're not. If you like Asians, there must be Asians in your life a la Derbyshire. Asians are not wanted and do not belong in the West.

    Also, you are an online stalker. You've commented to me before about being some "Betty." You don't like my comments about the Roman Catholic Church (RCC). You accept black/Asian priests-popes. That is a problem. The RCC is now an enemy of the West and the papacy needs to be relocated to the either the Congo or the Philippines.

    You also said you comment at Occidental Observer. I'm aware of that website and their constant blaming the Jew for everything is insane. The problems the West faces today can be squarely placed on the Caucasian RCC male, Zioevangizer male, and the gentile Freemason. It is the weakness and cowardliness of the types, which stem from universal church and brotherhood, that is causing the crisis in the West.

    Since you are RCC, and presuming you live in the WASP/Yankee USA, you can relocate to the RCC Philippines (avg. IQ 86). No need to deal with the citizens of perfidious Albion.

    , @Truth
    Aldey, I gotta come to Tillie's side here once again, I just don't get white people.

    Why, can't a WHITE NATIONALIST be pro white (as opposed to pro light-yellow)? I think Tillie is just to white for you lib-ur-uhls and you are all anti-white RAYCISS!

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  172. Alden says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova
    So all those who's duty was to prevent the crime will go Scot free?

    Actually, most states have a law that says that everyone who has to do with children such as teachers, scout and activities leaders school bus drivers coached medical personal SHALL report any suspicion of child abuse within 24 hours of learning about it.

    That’s how physical Abuse gets into the courts. The Drs report it.

    The abuse can be physical mental emotional sexual or work abuse.

    So all those people in the gymnastics program and at the university hospital were guilty if they knew about it.

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  173. Alden says:
    @anonomy
    Since when do women get physical exams by a man and another woman is not in the room? What parent allows their underage child to be examined without a parent or guardian being present? There are ways for all people to protect themselves during physicals.

    It happens all the time. Maybe at one time it was common to have a woman present but it’s been decades since that protocol was observed.

    And how would a young girl know to demand a chaperone be present?

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    She wouldn't, but she darned well should, or rather the demand should be made for her. Parents, and the whole "system", are seriously at fault here.
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  174. Alden says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    In the more enlightened ages of the past, these women still would have been prosecuted and penalized, just for more valid reasons.
     
    No, more likely they would have lost their jobs and been shamed out of town.

    But then, how often did this kind of thing happen in our grandpappies' day?

    Maybe more than you think. A lot of men I knew told me their first sex experience was at 16 or so with an adult woman, generally a neighbor or parents friend.

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  175. @Seth Largo
    Oh, I agree 100% with your analysis. My comment was attempting to be descriptive, but I can see how it came across as prescriptive. I had opportunities as a 20-something to have dalliances with high school girls partying in places they shouldn't have been, but my brain easily over-rode the libido. Not worth violating this particular "social construct."

    I would say, however, that I don't like the idea of a father using police and lawyers to enact his (justifiable) anger. He has every right to be angry at an older guy using his teen daughter for sex. I would simply prefer he beat up the horndog or take a rifle to his Camaro's tires as opposed to sending him through a legal process that will turn him into an unproductive pariah.

    What about the guys on the list for peeing into the bushes? And the kiddies nailed for sexting?

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  176. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Thorfinnsson


    My comments on Mr. Derbyshire’s columns are infrequent and overwhelmingly negative. Note the typical, needless asides about the defendant’s and judge’s ancestry, generalizations about women in public life, and nasty insinuations about the victims and their families. Racebaiting and other provocative statements are how he makes his living.
     
    What is a pussy like you doing reading the Unz Review?

    Your contemptible views would be better served reading the Jew York Crimes.

    Why so emotional about my comment #1?* Are racebaiting and other provocative statements not how he makes his living? That is why you read Mr. Derbyshire, isn’t it?

    ————

    *The other anonymous commenter who has since weighed in with you is someone else.

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  177. Moi says:

    It would be more accurate to describe Nassar not as Arab-American but as a Christian Arab-American creep. But not sure what being Arab has anything to do with his mental sickness.

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  178. KenH says:

    Nasser certainly resembles the stereotypical “Chester Molester”. Most of the girls were in their early teens when this happened, so my guess is that when Nasser was using his hands on them the girls probably had a gut feeling that something was wrong but were conflicted about it. After all, Nasser is a highly respected Olympic doctor so he must not be doing anything untoward. People like Nasser know this and possess an uncanny ability to know how their victims will think and react to their predatory behavior.

    Some of the parents might have known better and suspected foul play but remained mum to keep their own Olympic dreams alive. Making waves and rocking the boat could have cost their little girls’ their place on the Olympic roster and millions of dollars in endorsements that usually come with that.

    Is that red coloring in the judge’s hair? That’s real becoming. She almost looks like she hears cases in between watching soap operas and washing and ironing clothes.

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  179. @Truth
    Just for giggles, go ahead and throw a reasonable number out there.

    I’m not concluding nothing and NO HAVE a reasonable number when people mature in different times. Even Lolitas and Lolitos there are.

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    You better not come to the US bringing your primitive ideas here or else we're going to find you and your notions of ruining children, and see that you're put in a small room with a big black man and watch your butt widened hehe hheheee, I hope you learn to scream nicely!
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  180. Truth says:
    @Jim Christian
    The whole sentencing was an "I"-fest. The judge was all about her OWN sensitivities, she used "I" and "me" dozens of times. She was the STAR!

    But Wise Latinas are feminists and WOMEN first, so I expect the kind of attention-whoring she poured out while preening for the camera. Had this been a simple sentencing without cameras, she woulda dropped it on the guy and gaveled it closed. But because we had cameras her attention-whoring went on longer than Gettysburg.

    I blame women for the entire thing anyway. It's all stage mothers, pushing the daughters, it's parents, mother-driven, ignoring the signs, because the mothers of Olympians get lots of attention, too. The fathers who didn't sniff this out decades ago indicate to me a bunch of either losers, OR, they were willing for their daughters to do this because after all, college is expensive.

    And yeah, dammit, girls 13-18 years old were under the hands of this guy, but they don't get a walk either, not from me, a father of a daughter who had promiscuous friends. I'm not a fucking idiot, nor did I raise one. Victims, my ass. Most of these girls were 14-16, older than typical girls start having sex out in the liberal world. Don't PLAY the innocent virgin routine on me. That's bullshit. Honey-babe, we've been feeding these girls, ALL GIRLS and especially Northeast liberals' children, everything they ever wanted to know about sex before they're ten or 12. They know about sex, orgasms,, anal sex, fisting, they've been reading romance novels their entire lives about the older-man, younger girls combo their entire lives. They know every aspect of human sexuality before their first period of menstruation. I know because when I was 12 or 13 I was doing most of the things to girls my age the doctor was doing to them and we're 50 years hence. The girls knew. They know everything, feminists INSIST the girls know everything.

    And so don't tell me 16 year old Alley Riassemen or whatever her name is didn't KNOW that when he was finger-fucking her that her orgasms were rape-abuse. These girls lined up for these treatments and competed for his time and efforts against one another for twenty years, they had crushes on him, they wrote love letters, they texted him, there was much back and forth traffic in text and email betweent the girls and this 'Doctor". There are REASONS for that, not the least, sexual. They now act, because they got caught and are told how NOW to act, like it was abuse. These girls KNEW. Sorry, they did. This stuff is common in the ballet world, too. Investigate the Washington Ballet, the lesbians and their benefactors in the Ballet down there exhibit extraordinary attention toward the 12-15 year old girls in those programs. Get some of the openly lesbian choreographers and ballet teachers on the stand, let's get the story on THEM. There are no excuses for the adults, but don't tell me girls past the age of consent who went to these "treatments" didn't know it was sex, plain and simple. If it was rape, like they were told to say at trial, they wouldn't have undergone his treatments. We make very sure to educate the girls as to sex and what feels good. This guy took advantage and many, if not most of the girls enjoyed the attention, I don't give two shits what the judge or the girls said. Crocodile tears for the civil actions to follow. One thing I can tell you about women and rape, when it comes to 'rape', money is the salve that soothes, somehow. HOW does that work?

    But by all means, let's play make believe. Let's pretend all the girls were innocent. Let's pretend the parents didn't know, the universities didn't know, the U.S. Olympic Committee didn't know. And especially, let's pretend this Female Judge Alito is honorable, truthful and was merely meting out justice. She knows, too. But at least she got it out of HER system. It's all about the women.

    Pooooor women..

    And so don’t tell me 16 year old Alley Riassemen or whatever her name is didn’t KNOW that when he was finger-fucking her that her orgasms were rape-abuse. These girls lined up for these treatments and competed for his time and efforts against one another for twenty years, they had crushes on him, they wrote love letters, they texted him, there was much back and forth traffic in text and email betweent the girls and this ‘Doctor”. There are REASONS for that, not the least, sexual.

    Hey those little “girls” were under a lot of stress. After F-Fing a few hundred broads, the Doc. probably got pretty good at it. All that travel and exercise probably made them want to relax a bit.

    Simone Biles – Ally this practice was really hard today are you going to join me to get a massage and sit in the sauna?

    Ally Raisman- Nah, you go ahead, I’m just going to Nassar’s office for a half hour…

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  181. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Santoculto
    I'm not concluding nothing and NO HAVE a reasonable number when people mature in different times. Even Lolitas and Lolitos there are.

    You better not come to the US bringing your primitive ideas here or else we’re going to find you and your notions of ruining children, and see that you’re put in a small room with a big black man and watch your butt widened hehe hheheee, I hope you learn to scream nicely!

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    Firstly,

    u don't understand nothing what i wrote and it's a sign of LOWER IQ

    Secondly,

    i don't want to immigrate to ''ANGLO-SACKSON BRAZIL'', so sorry, Uass is very artistically boring, idiotic country, a ''new rome'', and not, it's a not a praise,

    u ar a examp of tha'

    a lot of primitive sub-human as u, and i even not talking about ''non-whit'' people...

    Thirdly,

    unfortunately i can't stop ''MURRICAN CULTUR'' influencing and reshaping Brazil 'cause ''white murrican'' are often intellectually retarded to not to be deceived by jewish trash...

    I will not down to your such lower level and be reciprocal with your gift...

    so sorry ANON

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  182. Corvinus says:
    @Diversity Heretic
    I remember the highly inappropriate behavior of the female trial judge in the Georges Zimmerman case. Women, in general, lack judicial temperament and ought not to be on the bench (or practicing law, for that matter).

    “Women, in general, lack judicial temperament and ought not to be on the bench (or practicing law, for that matter).”

    Doesn’t surprise me that you say this, given how you yourself had been properly admonished from the bench for your own shenanigans as a lawyer.

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  183. Derb is completely right in his article. This feminized outrage culture has resulted in female judges and prosecutors who have gone completely off the deep end. 5 or 10 years would have been a just sentence. All of the extra years from both state and federal sides is what is called cruel and unusual punishment. It isn’t warranted by the nature of the crimes committed.

    The “damage” caused…..just how much of that damage is caused by the act and how much is caused by the shame that the person feels when other women find out she was touched?

    This idea that justice is self-righteous vigilante style draconian sentences is a flawed idea. It is costly, wasteful, and unjust in all respects.

    And it solves nothing. Throwing one perv at a time into the clink for life will never end. It will make females feel better though. And that’s all that counts in the justice systems of the English-speaking world, now completely corrupted by feminist ideology, the new Puritanism.

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    {The “damage” caused…..just how much of that damage is caused by the act and how much is caused by the shame that the person feels when other women find out she was touched?}

    “damage” caused - In quotes?.
    she was touched - Touched?

    Did you even read the article?

    [What Larry Nassar did was, he touched the breasts and private parts of young girls while examining them, including three who were younger than thirteen, and penetrated them with his finger, all against their will.]

    I am no expert, but it is well established by now that children who have been sexually abused are affected by it for life. And it is not the shame of others finding out: it's what they know happened to them when they were too young to know.
    Oftentimes children who have been sexually abused, boys mainly, grow up to become molesters themselves. Girls either become "fresh meat" for the sex trade, or can never trust a man, and lead normal life.

    Yeah, the judge's mis-behaviour on the bench is a disgrace, and the corruption of most things in America by feminist zealots is clearly corrosive, but to minimize what was done to 13 year old children, by an authority figure they were expected to trust - is beneath contempt.

    , @Steve Gittelson

    And it solves nothing. Throwing one perv at a time into the clink for life will never end. It will make females feel better though. And that’s all that counts in the justice systems of the English-speaking world, now completely corrupted by feminist ideology, the new Puritanism.
     
    They should be hanged. Darwin at work.

    And you wouldn't know Puritanism if it bit you on the ass.
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  184. Avery says:
    @restless94110
    Derb is completely right in his article. This feminized outrage culture has resulted in female judges and prosecutors who have gone completely off the deep end. 5 or 10 years would have been a just sentence. All of the extra years from both state and federal sides is what is called cruel and unusual punishment. It isn't warranted by the nature of the crimes committed.

    The "damage" caused.....just how much of that damage is caused by the act and how much is caused by the shame that the person feels when other women find out she was touched?

    This idea that justice is self-righteous vigilante style draconian sentences is a flawed idea. It is costly, wasteful, and unjust in all respects.

    And it solves nothing. Throwing one perv at a time into the clink for life will never end. It will make females feel better though. And that's all that counts in the justice systems of the English-speaking world, now completely corrupted by feminist ideology, the new Puritanism.

    {The “damage” caused…..just how much of that damage is caused by the act and how much is caused by the shame that the person feels when other women find out she was touched?}

    “damage” caused – In quotes?.
    she was touched – Touched?

    Did you even read the article?

    [What Larry Nassar did was, he touched the breasts and private parts of young girls while examining them, including three who were younger than thirteen, and penetrated them with his finger, all against their will.]

    I am no expert, but it is well established by now that children who have been sexually abused are affected by it for life. And it is not the shame of others finding out: it’s what they know happened to them when they were too young to know.
    Oftentimes children who have been sexually abused, boys mainly, grow up to become molesters themselves. Girls either become “fresh meat” for the sex trade, or can never trust a man, and lead normal life.

    Yeah, the judge’s mis-behaviour on the bench is a disgrace, and the corruption of most things in America by feminist zealots is clearly corrosive, but to minimize what was done to 13 year old children, by an authority figure they were expected to trust – is beneath contempt.

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    Your hysterical keening is what is beneath contempt.

    See #169 for a more complete response to the nature of the "crimes." It is patently obvious that the girls have been "damaged" mostly by the shame of it being revealed and what other women think.

    Your screed about the damage caused has only been shown true with severe, prolonged abuse and almost always in the home. Very brief touching and even insertion does not come close to your shreiking description of how this is going to affect them for the rest of their lives.

    Please. Stop with the hysterics. You prove my point: this is feminized justice and it is unjust.
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  185. @Alden
    I. Nassar is an osteopath, not a medical dr. Osteopaths deal with bones not gynecology

    2. Internal gynecology exams are not normal for young girls or grown women unless there are indications of pregnancy, infections, STDs or some reason for the exam.

    Dancers, especially ballet dancers have all sorts of groin and pelvic problems, but the Drs and therapists don’t do internal exams.

    There was no reason for a general exam

    Entirely irrelevant. Mores have been violated, and cultural social conscience scarred forever.

    He knew what he did was wrong, very wrong, by all contemporary measure of morality.

    He should be hanged at the crossroads, and his body left to twist in the wind until the crows have left nothing but dry bones. Soil our virgin daughters, will he? Perhaps impalement would be better?

    Alden, me boy, don’t try teaching your grand-daddy to suck eggs, eh?

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  186. @restless94110
    Derb is completely right in his article. This feminized outrage culture has resulted in female judges and prosecutors who have gone completely off the deep end. 5 or 10 years would have been a just sentence. All of the extra years from both state and federal sides is what is called cruel and unusual punishment. It isn't warranted by the nature of the crimes committed.

    The "damage" caused.....just how much of that damage is caused by the act and how much is caused by the shame that the person feels when other women find out she was touched?

    This idea that justice is self-righteous vigilante style draconian sentences is a flawed idea. It is costly, wasteful, and unjust in all respects.

    And it solves nothing. Throwing one perv at a time into the clink for life will never end. It will make females feel better though. And that's all that counts in the justice systems of the English-speaking world, now completely corrupted by feminist ideology, the new Puritanism.

    And it solves nothing. Throwing one perv at a time into the clink for life will never end. It will make females feel better though. And that’s all that counts in the justice systems of the English-speaking world, now completely corrupted by feminist ideology, the new Puritanism.

    They should be hanged. Darwin at work.

    And you wouldn’t know Puritanism if it bit you on the ass.

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    Someone who believes you should be hanged for touching pussy is a Puritan prig. And this Puritan prig (in other words, you) wouldn't know your own Puritanism that crawled up your ass and made a home there if it bit you.

    Vengeance is mine saith Lord. Vegeance sentences are not just, and they do not do a damn thing to correct behaviors that society deems illegal.

    The hang 'em high shit has got to go, especially in this area, if for nothing else that it is justice by feelings and that is no justice at all.
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  187. @Jim Christian
    The whole sentencing was an "I"-fest. The judge was all about her OWN sensitivities, she used "I" and "me" dozens of times. She was the STAR!

    But Wise Latinas are feminists and WOMEN first, so I expect the kind of attention-whoring she poured out while preening for the camera. Had this been a simple sentencing without cameras, she woulda dropped it on the guy and gaveled it closed. But because we had cameras her attention-whoring went on longer than Gettysburg.

    I blame women for the entire thing anyway. It's all stage mothers, pushing the daughters, it's parents, mother-driven, ignoring the signs, because the mothers of Olympians get lots of attention, too. The fathers who didn't sniff this out decades ago indicate to me a bunch of either losers, OR, they were willing for their daughters to do this because after all, college is expensive.

    And yeah, dammit, girls 13-18 years old were under the hands of this guy, but they don't get a walk either, not from me, a father of a daughter who had promiscuous friends. I'm not a fucking idiot, nor did I raise one. Victims, my ass. Most of these girls were 14-16, older than typical girls start having sex out in the liberal world. Don't PLAY the innocent virgin routine on me. That's bullshit. Honey-babe, we've been feeding these girls, ALL GIRLS and especially Northeast liberals' children, everything they ever wanted to know about sex before they're ten or 12. They know about sex, orgasms,, anal sex, fisting, they've been reading romance novels their entire lives about the older-man, younger girls combo their entire lives. They know every aspect of human sexuality before their first period of menstruation. I know because when I was 12 or 13 I was doing most of the things to girls my age the doctor was doing to them and we're 50 years hence. The girls knew. They know everything, feminists INSIST the girls know everything.

    And so don't tell me 16 year old Alley Riassemen or whatever her name is didn't KNOW that when he was finger-fucking her that her orgasms were rape-abuse. These girls lined up for these treatments and competed for his time and efforts against one another for twenty years, they had crushes on him, they wrote love letters, they texted him, there was much back and forth traffic in text and email betweent the girls and this 'Doctor". There are REASONS for that, not the least, sexual. They now act, because they got caught and are told how NOW to act, like it was abuse. These girls KNEW. Sorry, they did. This stuff is common in the ballet world, too. Investigate the Washington Ballet, the lesbians and their benefactors in the Ballet down there exhibit extraordinary attention toward the 12-15 year old girls in those programs. Get some of the openly lesbian choreographers and ballet teachers on the stand, let's get the story on THEM. There are no excuses for the adults, but don't tell me girls past the age of consent who went to these "treatments" didn't know it was sex, plain and simple. If it was rape, like they were told to say at trial, they wouldn't have undergone his treatments. We make very sure to educate the girls as to sex and what feels good. This guy took advantage and many, if not most of the girls enjoyed the attention, I don't give two shits what the judge or the girls said. Crocodile tears for the civil actions to follow. One thing I can tell you about women and rape, when it comes to 'rape', money is the salve that soothes, somehow. HOW does that work?

    But by all means, let's play make believe. Let's pretend all the girls were innocent. Let's pretend the parents didn't know, the universities didn't know, the U.S. Olympic Committee didn't know. And especially, let's pretend this Female Judge Alito is honorable, truthful and was merely meting out justice. She knows, too. But at least she got it out of HER system. It's all about the women.

    Pooooor women..

    God DAMN, but you hate women, Jimbo. You’re a freak circus of chick-hate. I do hope the root cause is not homosexuality, as we sure don’t need any more of those here.

    I rarely recommend psychological evaluation, but you are in deep doo-doo mentally, poor devil.

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    You must be new here, Jimbrowski is a PUA with a swordsman's reputation all over the nation's capital, Virginia and Maryland!
    , @Jim Christian
    Hey Steve, the girls knew. Dear, sweet Ali from up here in Newton, Ma., the main attraction and victim statement just eats up the camera. She had the nerve to say it went on for years, HOW could he have gone on so long? How indeed, Ali? Because everyone kept their traps shut. USOC, Michigan State set him up with a venue and lots of victims. He's been up to all this since the eighties. Hundreds of girls, only around 138 at victims hearings prior to sentencing. Oh, they were SO confused while he was fingering and diddling them. And they were HEALED. He was a success! And everyone kept their traps shut? Why?

    Because silence to all this, especially when they knew what they had on their hands, on the line was scholarships and stardom, money for the girls, orgasms optional (it isn't for nothing thousands of condoms are distributed in the villages), for the parents, a free ride to college for their kids, for the USOC, the prestige of lots of gold medals. For the university, we keep those alum donations pouring in because, how noble, the Olympics.

    "Hate women"? Go screw yourself. I know a scam when I see one, wrapped up in the "virtue of young Olympians". Bull shit. The entire #metoo hashtage and meme in a setup. I also know a Class Action when one backs up in my drain. A Class action against the USOC, the Unis, Hollywood elements that are "culpable" in the 'harassment' (have money and are worth a suit). They were desperate in the criminal trial to frame all this as the fault of people with MONEY because the criminal finding bolsters the upcoming Civil actions. Fine, go after them. But much embellishment took place, especially where the 'innocence" of 90% of these girls is concerned. Here's Ali now. The picture of innocence: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2018/02/07/17/48F7EA8500000578-5363443-image-m-55_1518025777321.jpg

    I don't hate women, but when women came out to play in the sandbox, they have to account for themselves. With the privilege you claim, you also get scrutiny. And White Knights like youself cover for them. Shame on YOU.
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  188. @Reg Cæsar

    In fact, there’s nothing I like better than to see a warped personality like attilahen pour out his [sic] hatred.
     
    How much does the SPLC pay him by the word? They're notoriously rich, but also notoriously cheap.

    Misuse of “sic”.

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    When someone using a name that ends in -thehen is referenced with his, then [sic] performs the function it is customarily there for.

    I always want to insert it in pen whenever I see his husband or her wife.
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  189. @Alden
    Again my question, what does serving the interests of the wealthy have to do with lawyers and statutory rape laws?

    Again my question, what does serving the interests of the wealthy have to do with lawyers and statutory rape laws?

    Oh, a true case of “cannot understand”, as opposed to “does not understand”.

    For many years, under these circumstances, I would launch lengthy and detailed explanation, attempting, exhaustively, to find that one little element of misunderstanding within the reader, and correct it.

    I don’t do that any more.

    Bye now.

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    So, you can’t explain your ridiculous comment that statutory rape laws serve the interests of the wealthy.

    It’s the most meaning less piece of drivel I’ve read in a long time.
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  190. @rocko
    Maybe the IOC should punish the Americans the same way that they punished the Russians: a total ban, or at least a total ban for the gymnastics team. Or what, someone's going to argue that a bunch of Russkies pumping themselves full of steroids is worse than a guy molesting girls?

    This is sort of a non sequitor. Athletes juicing has an effect on the competition, allowing the cheats to perform better “unnaturally”. Nassar’s crimes are worse, which is why he’s going to prison, but they don’t make his victims perform better.

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  191. Judges : in general, the most abberated, power-mad, deranged, sadistic, anti-social, criminal-minded assholes on this planet.

    ( of course there will be exceptions to this axiom)

    Why do they even persue such a ( non ) “profession” in the first place, very simple. so they can without fearing retribution, so they can act out their sadistic impulses with glee and zeal, destroying as many hapless souls as possible in the process.

    Now I am not trying to euphemize this guys vile misdeeds, not in the least, however Michigan does not have the death penalty, and this cretin/judge has taken it upon herself, in monolog, to arbitrarily enact one, period.

    Thirty-five years ago, in Mich, my sisters eighteen year old son was arrested and prosecuted for armed robbery, having supposedly robbed, at gun-point, a lady as she was making a night deposit at a bank, and at trial the victim declared that it most definitely was not my nephew who had robbed her, as the he is a head taller than her and the robber was smaller the her.

    In spite of this, glaring, obviously exonerating evidence, the (female) judge sentenced my nephew to four years in a hard-core Mi pen, and we all know what this can amount to.

    So after my nephew initiates the apppeals procedure, a citizens group discovers/uncovers the outrageous fact that this “judge” had a long record of dubious convictions all involving young men, and all of whom had insisted their innocence.

    This insane, sadistic, “judge” was then removed from the bench, and my poor nephew, released just two months before the end of his unwarrented prison stay.

    In Germany a ninty-six year old is being sent to prison for being present, as a soldier, at a concentration camp, in spite of the fact that there is solid evidence of him having requested transfer from said location.

    The hypocritical german judges , who endlessly boast about their far superior to the US legal system, german system, because of the absence of a death penalty, they maintain that this must be done in the name of “justice” regardless of the fact that they know that he will die behind bars.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro jazz musician.

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    Why do they even persue such a ( non ) “profession” in the first place, very simple. so they can without fearing retribution, so they can act out their sadistic impulses with glee and zeal, destroying as many hapless souls as possible in the process.
     
    I thin the term "pursue" here needs to be qualified a little.

    The judgment seat doesn't exist because somebody decided to invent it so they could lord their power over others. It exists by virtue of the same reason that society itself exists. Whenever people live together in groups, there are going to be disputes and conflicts. Unless you want to settle every score by personal violence and vendetta, there will have to be a legal framework for settling conflicts. And if there is a legal framework, there has to be a judge.

    The judge has to be vested with power, just like every leader and authority is. While we all know that psychopaths and self-important busybodies often pursue positions of power, that does not mean that the positions can be dispensed with. The only solution is for good people to step up. Prudent, responsible, good-natured people have to enter the legal profession; they have to enter politics; they have to enter management. They cannot simply wash their hands of it all, because if they don't step up you know some asshole will. Abjuring leadership does not abolish power, it only cedes the power to those who do not abjure it, namely the base.
    , @Truth

    Thirty-five years ago, in Mich, my sisters eighteen year old son was arrested and prosecuted for armed robbery, having supposedly robbed, at gun-point, a lady as she was making a night deposit at a bank, and at trial the victim declared that it most definitely was not my nephew who had robbed her, as the he is a head taller than her and the robber was smaller the her.
     
    Why didn't you just bribe her through her family to say a Knee-grow did it? Been doin' this for centuries now.
    , @Alden
    Umm, judges don’t convict. Juries convict and judges sentence. Was there a jury trial or did your nephew’s attorney tell him to plea guilty?

    Whatever you think happened, the judge did not convict him..
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  192. @anonymous
    You better not come to the US bringing your primitive ideas here or else we're going to find you and your notions of ruining children, and see that you're put in a small room with a big black man and watch your butt widened hehe hheheee, I hope you learn to scream nicely!

    Firstly,

    u don’t understand nothing what i wrote and it’s a sign of LOWER IQ

    Secondly,

    i don’t want to immigrate to ”ANGLO-SACKSON BRAZIL”, so sorry, Uass is very artistically boring, idiotic country, a ”new rome”, and not, it’s a not a praise,

    u ar a examp of tha’

    a lot of primitive sub-human as u, and i even not talking about ”non-whit” people…

    Thirdly,

    unfortunately i can’t stop ”MURRICAN CULTUR” influencing and reshaping Brazil ’cause ”white murrican” are often intellectually retarded to not to be deceived by jewish trash…

    I will not down to your such lower level and be reciprocal with your gift…

    so sorry ANON

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  193. utu says:

    It takes lots of courage to speak on the behalf of the most vilified in the society.

    This article helped me to realize that JD actually has a human side. It was a nice surprise. I will have nicer thoughts when thinking of JD from now on.

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  194. @anonomy
    Since when do women get physical exams by a man and another woman is not in the room? What parent allows their underage child to be examined without a parent or guardian being present? There are ways for all people to protect themselves during physicals.

    The girls at the Olympics didn’t even have a clinic for these “treatments.” Nassar was given keys to their hotel rooms and he let himself in any time he liked. The girls who dared to complain were gaslighted: he’s a respected doctor, all the gymnasts get treated by him, well if you’re in that much physical discomfort maybe you aren’t fit to compete….

    Unlike normal adolescents, these girls have little social interaction. Jennifer Sey (read her memoir “Chalked Up”) lost her drive somewhere between becoming National Champion and the next Olympics, in part because she was in high school and had never even been on a date. They spend most of their time at the gym. They’re unlikely to confide in the girls at the gym, because of what if the competition uses private info against you and gets your spot on a event? You’re supposed to work through that sore knee or twisted disk, so get tough or get out.

    Meanwhile, average girls know more at 12 than elite gymnasts know at 17. They never got those classic girl-talks beloved of bathroom breaks and sleepovers, where the girls exchange info on how far to go on which date without being either a prude or a slut, whether So-and-So is a user, and what amount of period pain is normal. Not that the period pain talk would be much use, since the intense training meant Sey got her first cycle at 20, Kathy Johnson at 25. Many of the girls have fertility problems in adult life, and some have osteoporosis before 30: their bodies think they’re in menopause, and it’s even worse if they cut out dairy to make weight.

    Again, I fault their parents, who don’t seem to care that their little prodigy might want to be a mother herself some day, and that she is too young to understand what she may be forfeiting by training so early.

    And again, it was not like this in the early days of gymnastics, when training didn’t start so young, and graceful, dance-influenced moves were the focus, not hitting as many rotations as your stunted little body can manage.

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  195. Truth says:
    @Steve Gittelson
    God DAMN, but you hate women, Jimbo. You're a freak circus of chick-hate. I do hope the root cause is not homosexuality, as we sure don't need any more of those here.

    I rarely recommend psychological evaluation, but you are in deep doo-doo mentally, poor devil.

    You must be new here, Jimbrowski is a PUA with a swordsman’s reputation all over the nation’s capital, Virginia and Maryland!

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    In other words, he's lying about all the activity he claims he got in Middle School, or any girls he managed to get were lying about enjoying it because they wanted a boyfriend.
    , @Jim Christian

    You must be new here, Jimbrowski is a PUA with a swordsman’s reputation all over the nation’s capital, Virginia and Maryland!
     
    Bill Clinton's 1990s were very good group of years, Truth. You are SO jealous you missed it, obviously! Swordsman, yes, but in the end, sodden, seeping, the Jewesses all wound up with the men they should have been with all along, short, fat, nerdie guys they could drag to Temple in the 6-series with Mother.

    They didn't call it pickup artist back then, that wasn't a thing because fags like you hadn't invented it out of your jealousy and virtue toward women that think you're fags anyway. Back then, Junior, we just called it plain old gettin' laid. It's no art, it's easy pickings. For a young man today, develop a taste for fat chicks because that's the way it's going. But they're easier than ever. Maybe even a simp like yourself could get a DC Fattie, it would take you a few weeks, but maybe she'd let you rummage about for that thang..
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  196. @Authenticjazzman
    Judges : in general, the most abberated, power-mad, deranged, sadistic, anti-social, criminal-minded assholes on this planet.

    ( of course there will be exceptions to this axiom)

    Why do they even persue such a ( non ) "profession" in the first place, very simple. so they can without fearing retribution, so they can act out their sadistic impulses with glee and zeal, destroying as many hapless souls as possible in the process.

    Now I am not trying to euphemize this guys vile misdeeds, not in the least, however Michigan does not have the death penalty, and this cretin/judge has taken it upon herself, in monolog, to arbitrarily enact one, period.

    Thirty-five years ago, in Mich, my sisters eighteen year old son was arrested and prosecuted for armed robbery, having supposedly robbed, at gun-point, a lady as she was making a night deposit at a bank, and at trial the victim declared that it most definitely was not my nephew who had robbed her, as the he is a head taller than her and the robber was smaller the her.

    In spite of this, glaring, obviously exonerating evidence, the (female) judge sentenced my nephew to four years in a hard-core Mi pen, and we all know what this can amount to.

    So after my nephew initiates the apppeals procedure, a citizens group discovers/uncovers the outrageous fact that this "judge" had a long record of dubious convictions all involving young men, and all of whom had insisted their innocence.

    This insane, sadistic, "judge" was then removed from the bench, and my poor nephew, released just two months before the end of his unwarrented prison stay.

    In Germany a ninty-six year old is being sent to prison for being present, as a soldier, at a concentration camp, in spite of the fact that there is solid evidence of him having requested transfer from said location.

    The hypocritical german judges , who endlessly boast about their far superior to the US legal system, german system, because of the absence of a death penalty, they maintain that this must be done in the name of "justice" regardless of the fact that they know that he will die behind bars.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro jazz musician.

    Why do they even persue such a ( non ) “profession” in the first place, very simple. so they can without fearing retribution, so they can act out their sadistic impulses with glee and zeal, destroying as many hapless souls as possible in the process.

    I thin the term “pursue” here needs to be qualified a little.

    The judgment seat doesn’t exist because somebody decided to invent it so they could lord their power over others. It exists by virtue of the same reason that society itself exists. Whenever people live together in groups, there are going to be disputes and conflicts. Unless you want to settle every score by personal violence and vendetta, there will have to be a legal framework for settling conflicts. And if there is a legal framework, there has to be a judge.

    The judge has to be vested with power, just like every leader and authority is. While we all know that psychopaths and self-important busybodies often pursue positions of power, that does not mean that the positions can be dispensed with. The only solution is for good people to step up. Prudent, responsible, good-natured people have to enter the legal profession; they have to enter politics; they have to enter management. They cannot simply wash their hands of it all, because if they don’t step up you know some asshole will. Abjuring leadership does not abolish power, it only cedes the power to those who do not abjure it, namely the base.

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    might be a good idea to move away from using the term authorities when it comes to public employees.

    But a look at the commentary just reinforces, any team event requiring some unique physical examination where clothes must be removed should be handled by members of the same sex/gender.
    , @Authenticjazzman
    " The only solution is for good people to step up"

    Nope this is no "solution" whatsoever, as one can never predict just when a "good-natured " "prudent", "responsible" judge's own hidden hangups, and neurotic sub-concious adversions, and sadistic urges will kick in relation to the case before him.

    He may hate prostitutes or women in general, or he may have an inferiorty complex regarding " macho" men, etc.

    After ww2, many of the german military judges who had been handing out death sentences for the most minor infraction, were accepting back into the german legal and education systems with full honors, and then considered to be "prudent" and "responsible" judges and professors.

    On this insane planet, most individuals, not all, are harboring some sort of neurotic problem area in their psyche, and there is no possible method for weeding them out as the (pseudo) "science" of psychology offers no true insight into the human mind.

    The only "true" solution would be the installment of, I know it sounds crazy, would be the application of "computer judges", unbiased, un-abberated and neutral.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army Vet, and pro jazz musician.
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  197. Truth says:
    @Authenticjazzman
    Judges : in general, the most abberated, power-mad, deranged, sadistic, anti-social, criminal-minded assholes on this planet.

    ( of course there will be exceptions to this axiom)

    Why do they even persue such a ( non ) "profession" in the first place, very simple. so they can without fearing retribution, so they can act out their sadistic impulses with glee and zeal, destroying as many hapless souls as possible in the process.

    Now I am not trying to euphemize this guys vile misdeeds, not in the least, however Michigan does not have the death penalty, and this cretin/judge has taken it upon herself, in monolog, to arbitrarily enact one, period.

    Thirty-five years ago, in Mich, my sisters eighteen year old son was arrested and prosecuted for armed robbery, having supposedly robbed, at gun-point, a lady as she was making a night deposit at a bank, and at trial the victim declared that it most definitely was not my nephew who had robbed her, as the he is a head taller than her and the robber was smaller the her.

    In spite of this, glaring, obviously exonerating evidence, the (female) judge sentenced my nephew to four years in a hard-core Mi pen, and we all know what this can amount to.

    So after my nephew initiates the apppeals procedure, a citizens group discovers/uncovers the outrageous fact that this "judge" had a long record of dubious convictions all involving young men, and all of whom had insisted their innocence.

    This insane, sadistic, "judge" was then removed from the bench, and my poor nephew, released just two months before the end of his unwarrented prison stay.

    In Germany a ninty-six year old is being sent to prison for being present, as a soldier, at a concentration camp, in spite of the fact that there is solid evidence of him having requested transfer from said location.

    The hypocritical german judges , who endlessly boast about their far superior to the US legal system, german system, because of the absence of a death penalty, they maintain that this must be done in the name of "justice" regardless of the fact that they know that he will die behind bars.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro jazz musician.

    Thirty-five years ago, in Mich, my sisters eighteen year old son was arrested and prosecuted for armed robbery, having supposedly robbed, at gun-point, a lady as she was making a night deposit at a bank, and at trial the victim declared that it most definitely was not my nephew who had robbed her, as the he is a head taller than her and the robber was smaller the her.

    Why didn’t you just bribe her through her family to say a Knee-grow did it? Been doin’ this for centuries now.

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  198. @Intelligent Dasein

    Why do they even persue such a ( non ) “profession” in the first place, very simple. so they can without fearing retribution, so they can act out their sadistic impulses with glee and zeal, destroying as many hapless souls as possible in the process.
     
    I thin the term "pursue" here needs to be qualified a little.

    The judgment seat doesn't exist because somebody decided to invent it so they could lord their power over others. It exists by virtue of the same reason that society itself exists. Whenever people live together in groups, there are going to be disputes and conflicts. Unless you want to settle every score by personal violence and vendetta, there will have to be a legal framework for settling conflicts. And if there is a legal framework, there has to be a judge.

    The judge has to be vested with power, just like every leader and authority is. While we all know that psychopaths and self-important busybodies often pursue positions of power, that does not mean that the positions can be dispensed with. The only solution is for good people to step up. Prudent, responsible, good-natured people have to enter the legal profession; they have to enter politics; they have to enter management. They cannot simply wash their hands of it all, because if they don't step up you know some asshole will. Abjuring leadership does not abolish power, it only cedes the power to those who do not abjure it, namely the base.

    might be a good idea to move away from using the term authorities when it comes to public employees.

    But a look at the commentary just reinforces, any team event requiring some unique physical examination where clothes must be removed should be handled by members of the same sex/gender.

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  199. @Truth
    You must be new here, Jimbrowski is a PUA with a swordsman's reputation all over the nation's capital, Virginia and Maryland!

    In other words, he’s lying about all the activity he claims he got in Middle School, or any girls he managed to get were lying about enjoying it because they wanted a boyfriend.

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    In other words, he’s lying about all the activity he claims he got in Middle School, or any girls he managed to get were lying about enjoying it because they wanted a boyfriend.
     
    There isn't a lie in any words I ever wrote or commented on. Look it up, faig. You're just a jealous virtue-boy. You and Truth should get a room. Why would you ask Truth, clearly gay, anything about what *I* write? Go check for yourself. You weenies and your fake names. Shame on you. Cowards, all.

    This one's for you:
    http://www.seaforces.org/usnair/VA/Attack-Squadron-35-Dateien/image137.jpg
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  200. Alden says:
    @Rosamond Vincy
    The guy was an osteopath, not a gynecologist. He was "treating" sore backs (endemic to gymnasts) by claiming an actual loose tissue disease could be diagnosed and treated by pelvic examinations. In some cases, he stuck his entire (ungloved) hand in the victim, something that even grown women can usually tolerate only when hormones have expanded the birth canal just prior to labor--too soon means losing the baby, and hormones (or if necessary, the episiotomy followed by the husband's knot) bring the dimensions more or less back to a normal state some time after childbirth (though as most parents can testify, things are never quite the same).

    Many of these girls were prepubescent, regardless of age. Estrogen is fat-based, and the intense training and resulting muscle-fat ratio means a lot of them get their first cycle in their 20s, if at all. What he did would have been intensely painful, traumatic both emotionally and physically. This wasn't an awkward third base during an adolescent make-out session: this was a grown man doing things that would have been painful for a GROEN woman not about to give birth, to teens with the bodies of ten-year-olds, or in some cases, to actual ten-year-olds. Ever try to do a split leap or a glide kip directly after vulvar and vaginal trauma? Would Mackayla Maroney's bronze in vault be a silver or a gold if she hadn't been freshly mauled by Nassar right before competition? Between molestation and malpractice, he deserves every second of his sentence.

    That said:

    1. The judge's behavior was pathetic. Judge Harold Rothwax was careful to avoid the appearance of partiality in the Lisa Steinberg case, because he wanted to be able to sentence Joel Steinberg to the maximum possible under the law at that time without risking a mistrial or an appeal. Acquilina should not have risked this conviction by indicating openly that she hoped Bubba and T-Bone would give Nassar the Welcome Wagon in General Pop, even if she privately thought it.

    2. The parents are pathetic. They send their kids away to be trained at a young age, and the kids are less street-smart than your average bridge-&-tunnel kid regularly taking the subway between boroughs. The kids also don't feel comfortable enough to ask their parents when they're not sure if something is right, and they don't want to let them down by not fulfilling all those Olympic dreams (the parents'; kids used to ask for gymnastics lessons in elementary or middle school, just like they asked for ballet or karate, but now they're put in as toddlers).

    You can bet if someone had suggested these "treatments" to me when I was doing competitive sports, I'd have been on the phone to my mother asking for advice before I'd have submitted to anything. My mother would have told me to leave IMMEDIATELY--but not before handing the phone to the "doctor" so she could give him a piece of her mind. Which everyone in a five-mile vicinity would have heard, without the existence of speakerphones. (A friend of mine who knew my mother said he wouldn't put it past her to travel cross-country to give someone like Nassar an earful.).

    These girls (and some boys: one girl saw her brother get stuck full of needles near the groin area--whether Nassar was qualified to use acupuncture is another question) are too cut off from a normal upbringing to know what is normal and what is not. This is just the beginning: figure-skating and professional ballet are undoubtedly next (they too privilege and also tend to produce undeveloped bodies), and it will make its way to boys' sports eventually.

    Thanks for an informed comment from someone who knows about muscle to fat ratio, normal vs starvation delayed puberty and the fact that the average teen doesn’t know that there is no need for pelvic exams except in case of adverse symptoms or pregnancy.

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  201. Alden says:
    @Steve Gittelson

    Again my question, what does serving the interests of the wealthy have to do with lawyers and statutory rape laws?
     
    Oh, a true case of "cannot understand", as opposed to "does not understand".

    For many years, under these circumstances, I would launch lengthy and detailed explanation, attempting, exhaustively, to find that one little element of misunderstanding within the reader, and correct it.

    I don't do that any more.

    Bye now.

    So, you can’t explain your ridiculous comment that statutory rape laws serve the interests of the wealthy.

    It’s the most meaning less piece of drivel I’ve read in a long time.

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    So, you can’t explain your ridiculous comment that statutory rape laws serve the interests of the wealthy.
     
    [weary laughter] You fucking dumbass. I didn't say the laws on statutory rape serve the wealthy.

    Just FYI, you are blocked -- or, as close as Unz can get to it. All you had to do, asshole, was achieve the most trivial bit of reading comprehension.
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  202. Alden says:
    @Authenticjazzman
    Judges : in general, the most abberated, power-mad, deranged, sadistic, anti-social, criminal-minded assholes on this planet.

    ( of course there will be exceptions to this axiom)

    Why do they even persue such a ( non ) "profession" in the first place, very simple. so they can without fearing retribution, so they can act out their sadistic impulses with glee and zeal, destroying as many hapless souls as possible in the process.

    Now I am not trying to euphemize this guys vile misdeeds, not in the least, however Michigan does not have the death penalty, and this cretin/judge has taken it upon herself, in monolog, to arbitrarily enact one, period.

    Thirty-five years ago, in Mich, my sisters eighteen year old son was arrested and prosecuted for armed robbery, having supposedly robbed, at gun-point, a lady as she was making a night deposit at a bank, and at trial the victim declared that it most definitely was not my nephew who had robbed her, as the he is a head taller than her and the robber was smaller the her.

    In spite of this, glaring, obviously exonerating evidence, the (female) judge sentenced my nephew to four years in a hard-core Mi pen, and we all know what this can amount to.

    So after my nephew initiates the apppeals procedure, a citizens group discovers/uncovers the outrageous fact that this "judge" had a long record of dubious convictions all involving young men, and all of whom had insisted their innocence.

    This insane, sadistic, "judge" was then removed from the bench, and my poor nephew, released just two months before the end of his unwarrented prison stay.

    In Germany a ninty-six year old is being sent to prison for being present, as a soldier, at a concentration camp, in spite of the fact that there is solid evidence of him having requested transfer from said location.

    The hypocritical german judges , who endlessly boast about their far superior to the US legal system, german system, because of the absence of a death penalty, they maintain that this must be done in the name of "justice" regardless of the fact that they know that he will die behind bars.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro jazz musician.

    Umm, judges don’t convict. Juries convict and judges sentence. Was there a jury trial or did your nephew’s attorney tell him to plea guilty?

    Whatever you think happened, the judge did not convict him..

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    " Umm, judges don't convict. Juries convict and judges sentence"

    Well for your information in my nephews case and in Michigan, the accused under certain circumstances, has the choice of trial by judge or trial by jury, and my nephew, and his lawyer, made the monumental mistake of selecting trial by judge, and therefore he was most indeed convicted and sentenced by the judge in question.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro Jazz musician.
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  203. @anonymous
    My comments on Mr. Derbyshire's columns are infrequent and overwhelmingly negative. Note the typical, needless asides about the defendant's and judge's ancestry, generalizations about women in public life, and nasty insinuations about the victims and their families. Racebaiting and other provocative statements are how he makes his living.

    But his main point today is correct. If there remains any sense of impartial justice, then Judge Aquilina will be reversed and rebuked. As trashy as our columnist, she as disgraced her judicial office.

    Thank God for the author. As for you sir, yiu can handle the truth.

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  204. @Alden
    So, you can’t explain your ridiculous comment that statutory rape laws serve the interests of the wealthy.

    It’s the most meaning less piece of drivel I’ve read in a long time.

    So, you can’t explain your ridiculous comment that statutory rape laws serve the interests of the wealthy.

    [weary laughter] You fucking dumbass. I didn’t say the laws on statutory rape serve the wealthy.

    Just FYI, you are blocked — or, as close as Unz can get to it. All you had to do, asshole, was achieve the most trivial bit of reading comprehension.

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  205. Twinkie says:
    @Rosamond Vincy
    The guy was an osteopath, not a gynecologist. He was "treating" sore backs (endemic to gymnasts) by claiming an actual loose tissue disease could be diagnosed and treated by pelvic examinations. In some cases, he stuck his entire (ungloved) hand in the victim, something that even grown women can usually tolerate only when hormones have expanded the birth canal just prior to labor--too soon means losing the baby, and hormones (or if necessary, the episiotomy followed by the husband's knot) bring the dimensions more or less back to a normal state some time after childbirth (though as most parents can testify, things are never quite the same).

    Many of these girls were prepubescent, regardless of age. Estrogen is fat-based, and the intense training and resulting muscle-fat ratio means a lot of them get their first cycle in their 20s, if at all. What he did would have been intensely painful, traumatic both emotionally and physically. This wasn't an awkward third base during an adolescent make-out session: this was a grown man doing things that would have been painful for a GROEN woman not about to give birth, to teens with the bodies of ten-year-olds, or in some cases, to actual ten-year-olds. Ever try to do a split leap or a glide kip directly after vulvar and vaginal trauma? Would Mackayla Maroney's bronze in vault be a silver or a gold if she hadn't been freshly mauled by Nassar right before competition? Between molestation and malpractice, he deserves every second of his sentence.

    That said:

    1. The judge's behavior was pathetic. Judge Harold Rothwax was careful to avoid the appearance of partiality in the Lisa Steinberg case, because he wanted to be able to sentence Joel Steinberg to the maximum possible under the law at that time without risking a mistrial or an appeal. Acquilina should not have risked this conviction by indicating openly that she hoped Bubba and T-Bone would give Nassar the Welcome Wagon in General Pop, even if she privately thought it.

    2. The parents are pathetic. They send their kids away to be trained at a young age, and the kids are less street-smart than your average bridge-&-tunnel kid regularly taking the subway between boroughs. The kids also don't feel comfortable enough to ask their parents when they're not sure if something is right, and they don't want to let them down by not fulfilling all those Olympic dreams (the parents'; kids used to ask for gymnastics lessons in elementary or middle school, just like they asked for ballet or karate, but now they're put in as toddlers).

    You can bet if someone had suggested these "treatments" to me when I was doing competitive sports, I'd have been on the phone to my mother asking for advice before I'd have submitted to anything. My mother would have told me to leave IMMEDIATELY--but not before handing the phone to the "doctor" so she could give him a piece of her mind. Which everyone in a five-mile vicinity would have heard, without the existence of speakerphones. (A friend of mine who knew my mother said he wouldn't put it past her to travel cross-country to give someone like Nassar an earful.).

    These girls (and some boys: one girl saw her brother get stuck full of needles near the groin area--whether Nassar was qualified to use acupuncture is another question) are too cut off from a normal upbringing to know what is normal and what is not. This is just the beginning: figure-skating and professional ballet are undoubtedly next (they too privilege and also tend to produce undeveloped bodies), and it will make its way to boys' sports eventually.

    Excellent summary.

    The guy was an osteopath, not a gynecologist.

    I still don’t understand why in the U.S. osteopaths (whose industry essentially began the same as chiropractors) get to participate in medical residencies and (afterwards) practice as medical doctors. It’s not like someone who can actually get into a real accredited medical school would forsake that and go to an osteopathic school instead! It is now basically a way for those who can’t get into medical schools to become fully-functioning physicians.

    It’s just bizarre. How did the AMA lose that battle? Argh, everyone is now a “doctor” in the U.S. – osteopaths, chiropractors, optometrists, and now nurses (with nursing Ph.D.’s).

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    Now, now. Don't lump osteopaths with the rest of those charlatans.
    , @Truth
    A bit archaic, but complicated.


    In 2012, the acceptance rate is actually less for osteopathic medical school then for allopathic medical school. Yes – it was statistically easier to get into MD school!
     
    https://medicalschoolhq.net/md-vs-do-what-are-the-differences-and-similarities/

    The only real difference nowadays is in long residency specialties. You rarely meet a DO surgeon, but for a GP hospitals don't have any real animus toward them in general
    , @anarchyst
    You are wrong about osteopaths. Osteopathic and allopathic physicians have very similar credentialing paths.
    Allopathic physicians utilize external methods of dealing with diseases--drugs, etc..
    Osteopathic physicians utilize the body's own resources as a way of dealing with diseases.
    The AMA was created in order to cartelize the practice of medicine.
    In fact, only about 13% of physicians belong to the AMA.
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  206. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous
    My comments on Mr. Derbyshire's columns are infrequent and overwhelmingly negative. Note the typical, needless asides about the defendant's and judge's ancestry, generalizations about women in public life, and nasty insinuations about the victims and their families. Racebaiting and other provocative statements are how he makes his living.

    But his main point today is correct. If there remains any sense of impartial justice, then Judge Aquilina will be reversed and rebuked. As trashy as our columnist, she as disgraced her judicial office.

    I guess you are generally humourless or maybea piously imperceptive bore who lacks imaginstion. Otherwise you could not fail to see that John Derbyshire’s supposseedly gratuitous “provocative statements” as you call them are a small contribution to providing truth and realism for those considering issues and stories otherwise buried in MSM platitudes.

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  207. @Alden
    What’s wrong with Asians? More to the point, what’s wrong with you?

    I’m ok, you’re not. If you like Asians, there must be Asians in your life a la Derbyshire. Asians are not wanted and do not belong in the West.

    Also, you are an online stalker. You’ve commented to me before about being some “Betty.” You don’t like my comments about the Roman Catholic Church (RCC). You accept black/Asian priests-popes. That is a problem. The RCC is now an enemy of the West and the papacy needs to be relocated to the either the Congo or the Philippines.

    You also said you comment at Occidental Observer. I’m aware of that website and their constant blaming the Jew for everything is insane. The problems the West faces today can be squarely placed on the Caucasian RCC male, Zioevangizer male, and the gentile Freemason. It is the weakness and cowardliness of the types, which stem from universal church and brotherhood, that is causing the crisis in the West.

    Since you are RCC, and presuming you live in the WASP/Yankee USA, you can relocate to the RCC Philippines (avg. IQ 86). No need to deal with the citizens of perfidious Albion.

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    You’re also that Catherine McChesney weirdo who used to comment all over the websites.

    You don’t seem to know that it’s not the RCC. It’s never been called the RCC except in your demented mind. As far as black Asian clergy, most of the black clergy in America are Protestants. Most of the Asian Christian clergy are in Asia.

    What’s wrong with Asian Christian clergy in Asian countries.

    Most people who’ve been reading your crazy comments as Betty Catherine McChesney etc think you are a Zionist paid person whose job is to cause problems between anti Israel anti Jewish domination Christians.

    You’ve been banned from occidental observer amren and others because you are so obviously a Zionist troll
    , @Alden
    Albion is England, not the USA. Get a map. Exactly what do you mean by
    “accepting black Asian priests popes”

    That’s done by the priests who run the seminaries that produce priests. Bishops ordain then. Catholic cardinals elect the pope. Cardinals and bishops are appointed by popes.

    What has all that to do with me? How could I have possibly influenced the process?

    And why do you think your silly internet comments have any influence on the oldest institution in the western world?

    , @Anonymous

    The problems the West faces today can be squarely placed on the Caucasian RCC male, Zioevangizer male, and the gentile Freemason.
     
    Ah yes, that makes sense, as does your endless, repetitive stalking and harassment of Mr Derbyshire. With all due respect, you need to be banned from unz.com on the grounds of irredeemable stupidity.
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  208. @Twinkie
    Excellent summary.

    The guy was an osteopath, not a gynecologist.

     

    I still don't understand why in the U.S. osteopaths (whose industry essentially began the same as chiropractors) get to participate in medical residencies and (afterwards) practice as medical doctors. It's not like someone who can actually get into a real accredited medical school would forsake that and go to an osteopathic school instead! It is now basically a way for those who can't get into medical schools to become fully-functioning physicians.

    It's just bizarre. How did the AMA lose that battle? Argh, everyone is now a "doctor" in the U.S. - osteopaths, chiropractors, optometrists, and now nurses (with nursing Ph.D.'s).

    Now, now. Don’t lump osteopaths with the rest of those charlatans.

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    Don’t lump osteopaths with the rest of those charlatans.
     
    DOs were also “charlatans” - they and chiropractors share the same beginnings - until they worked their way into conventional medical accreditation and residency programs. Still don’t understand how the AMA let that happen.
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  209. Truth says:
    @Twinkie
    Excellent summary.

    The guy was an osteopath, not a gynecologist.

     

    I still don't understand why in the U.S. osteopaths (whose industry essentially began the same as chiropractors) get to participate in medical residencies and (afterwards) practice as medical doctors. It's not like someone who can actually get into a real accredited medical school would forsake that and go to an osteopathic school instead! It is now basically a way for those who can't get into medical schools to become fully-functioning physicians.

    It's just bizarre. How did the AMA lose that battle? Argh, everyone is now a "doctor" in the U.S. - osteopaths, chiropractors, optometrists, and now nurses (with nursing Ph.D.'s).

    A bit archaic, but complicated.

    In 2012, the acceptance rate is actually less for osteopathic medical school then for allopathic medical school. Yes – it was statistically easier to get into MD school!

    https://medicalschoolhq.net/md-vs-do-what-are-the-differences-and-similarities/

    The only real difference nowadays is in long residency specialties. You rarely meet a DO surgeon, but for a GP hospitals don’t have any real animus toward them in general

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    In 2012, the acceptance rate is actually less for osteopathic medical school then for allopathic medical school. Yes – it was statistically easier to get into MD school!
     
    That’s a cute trick - it doesn’t account for the fact that DO schools and MD schools draw from different pools of applicants.

    “Selectivity” only matters if the applicant pool is identical or similar. By and large, DO school applicants are MD school rejects. Higher selectivity of rejects is still going to produce lower qualification candidates than “lower selectivity” of better qualified candidates.
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  210. @Avery
    {The “damage” caused…..just how much of that damage is caused by the act and how much is caused by the shame that the person feels when other women find out she was touched?}

    “damage” caused - In quotes?.
    she was touched - Touched?

    Did you even read the article?

    [What Larry Nassar did was, he touched the breasts and private parts of young girls while examining them, including three who were younger than thirteen, and penetrated them with his finger, all against their will.]

    I am no expert, but it is well established by now that children who have been sexually abused are affected by it for life. And it is not the shame of others finding out: it's what they know happened to them when they were too young to know.
    Oftentimes children who have been sexually abused, boys mainly, grow up to become molesters themselves. Girls either become "fresh meat" for the sex trade, or can never trust a man, and lead normal life.

    Yeah, the judge's mis-behaviour on the bench is a disgrace, and the corruption of most things in America by feminist zealots is clearly corrosive, but to minimize what was done to 13 year old children, by an authority figure they were expected to trust - is beneath contempt.

    Your hysterical keening is what is beneath contempt.

    See #169 for a more complete response to the nature of the “crimes.” It is patently obvious that the girls have been “damaged” mostly by the shame of it being revealed and what other women think.

    Your screed about the damage caused has only been shown true with severe, prolonged abuse and almost always in the home. Very brief touching and even insertion does not come close to your shreiking description of how this is going to affect them for the rest of their lives.

    Please. Stop with the hysterics. You prove my point: this is feminized justice and it is unjust.

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    As long as Red Pillers/Alt Righters only want to marry virgins, the hysterics will continue.
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  211. @Steve Gittelson

    And it solves nothing. Throwing one perv at a time into the clink for life will never end. It will make females feel better though. And that’s all that counts in the justice systems of the English-speaking world, now completely corrupted by feminist ideology, the new Puritanism.
     
    They should be hanged. Darwin at work.

    And you wouldn't know Puritanism if it bit you on the ass.

    Someone who believes you should be hanged for touching pussy is a Puritan prig. And this Puritan prig (in other words, you) wouldn’t know your own Puritanism that crawled up your ass and made a home there if it bit you.

    Vengeance is mine saith Lord. Vegeance sentences are not just, and they do not do a damn thing to correct behaviors that society deems illegal.

    The hang ‘em high shit has got to go, especially in this area, if for nothing else that it is justice by feelings and that is no justice at all.

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    Someone who believes you should be hanged for touching pussy is a Puritan prig.
     
    Yup, usually true, pretty much.

    And this Puritan prig (in other words, you) wouldn’t know your own Puritanism that crawled up your ass and made a home there if it bit you.
     
    Yup, I sure would. But the fact is, I said nothing about the penalty for touching pussy. That was all you. Go figure, huh?

    Vengeance is mine saith Lord. Vegeance sentences are not just, and they do not do a damn thing to correct behaviors that society deems illegal.
     
    Sorry, I am disinterested in what your lord saith.

    The hang ‘em high shit has got to go, especially in this area, if for nothing else that it is justice by feelings and that is no justice at all.
     
    Social mores are far more consistent than religious mores, and far more of a determinant of the capacity for any given civilization to succeed, and to remain so. Your opinion is hysterical, indignant, and misplaced.
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  212. @Alden
    Umm, judges don’t convict. Juries convict and judges sentence. Was there a jury trial or did your nephew’s attorney tell him to plea guilty?

    Whatever you think happened, the judge did not convict him..

    ” Umm, judges don’t convict. Juries convict and judges sentence”

    Well for your information in my nephews case and in Michigan, the accused under certain circumstances, has the choice of trial by judge or trial by jury, and my nephew, and his lawyer, made the monumental mistake of selecting trial by judge, and therefore he was most indeed convicted and sentenced by the judge in question.

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  213. @Intelligent Dasein

    Why do they even persue such a ( non ) “profession” in the first place, very simple. so they can without fearing retribution, so they can act out their sadistic impulses with glee and zeal, destroying as many hapless souls as possible in the process.
     
    I thin the term "pursue" here needs to be qualified a little.

    The judgment seat doesn't exist because somebody decided to invent it so they could lord their power over others. It exists by virtue of the same reason that society itself exists. Whenever people live together in groups, there are going to be disputes and conflicts. Unless you want to settle every score by personal violence and vendetta, there will have to be a legal framework for settling conflicts. And if there is a legal framework, there has to be a judge.

    The judge has to be vested with power, just like every leader and authority is. While we all know that psychopaths and self-important busybodies often pursue positions of power, that does not mean that the positions can be dispensed with. The only solution is for good people to step up. Prudent, responsible, good-natured people have to enter the legal profession; they have to enter politics; they have to enter management. They cannot simply wash their hands of it all, because if they don't step up you know some asshole will. Abjuring leadership does not abolish power, it only cedes the power to those who do not abjure it, namely the base.

    ” The only solution is for good people to step up”

    Nope this is no “solution” whatsoever, as one can never predict just when a “good-natured ” “prudent”, “responsible” judge’s own hidden hangups, and neurotic sub-concious adversions, and sadistic urges will kick in relation to the case before him.

    He may hate prostitutes or women in general, or he may have an inferiorty complex regarding ” macho” men, etc.

    After ww2, many of the german military judges who had been handing out death sentences for the most minor infraction, were accepting back into the german legal and education systems with full honors, and then considered to be “prudent” and “responsible” judges and professors.

    On this insane planet, most individuals, not all, are harboring some sort of neurotic problem area in their psyche, and there is no possible method for weeding them out as the (pseudo) “science” of psychology offers no true insight into the human mind.

    The only “true” solution would be the installment of, I know it sounds crazy, would be the application of “computer judges”, unbiased, un-abberated and neutral.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army Vet, and pro jazz musician.

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  214. Truth says:
    @Alden
    What’s wrong with Asians? More to the point, what’s wrong with you?

    Aldey, I gotta come to Tillie’s side here once again, I just don’t get white people.

    Why, can’t a WHITE NATIONALIST be pro white (as opposed to pro light-yellow)? I think Tillie is just to white for you lib-ur-uhls and you are all anti-white RAYCISS!

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    Who’s Tillie?
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  215. @restless94110
    Someone who believes you should be hanged for touching pussy is a Puritan prig. And this Puritan prig (in other words, you) wouldn't know your own Puritanism that crawled up your ass and made a home there if it bit you.

    Vengeance is mine saith Lord. Vegeance sentences are not just, and they do not do a damn thing to correct behaviors that society deems illegal.

    The hang 'em high shit has got to go, especially in this area, if for nothing else that it is justice by feelings and that is no justice at all.

    Someone who believes you should be hanged for touching pussy is a Puritan prig.

    Yup, usually true, pretty much.

    And this Puritan prig (in other words, you) wouldn’t know your own Puritanism that crawled up your ass and made a home there if it bit you.

    Yup, I sure would. But the fact is, I said nothing about the penalty for touching pussy. That was all you. Go figure, huh?

    Vengeance is mine saith Lord. Vegeance sentences are not just, and they do not do a damn thing to correct behaviors that society deems illegal.

    Sorry, I am disinterested in what your lord saith.

    The hang ‘em high shit has got to go, especially in this area, if for nothing else that it is justice by feelings and that is no justice at all.

    Social mores are far more consistent than religious mores, and far more of a determinant of the capacity for any given civilization to succeed, and to remain so. Your opinion is hysterical, indignant, and misplaced.

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    Social mores are far more consistent than religious mores? Rofl. So..... 250 years ago the age of consent in many places was 12. It was a social more. Funny how inconsistent that social more turned out to be, isn't it?

    Social mores are far more of a determinant of the capacity for any given civilization to succeed?

    So first you use the weasle word "consistent" whatever that means. Then you use 2 more weasle words, "deeterminant" and "capacity" to describe.......absolutiely nothing.

    Mores are "a determinant?" So someone somewhere studied social mores throughout all civilizations in history and "determined" that social mores were more of a determinant than religious mores? What are you talking about, mate? For much of human history social and religious mores were the same!

    And what is the "capacity" for "any given" civilization to "succeed?"

    So my test civilization has more of a "capacity" to "succeed" in something? What is success? What percentage of capacity would I need to have my civilization succeed? What would success look like? This one we have now? Wow. Now that's a capacity to succeed I can determine.

    Spew your Puritan prig garbage in someone else's thead, pal, because you are devolving into corporate-speak moron talk on this one. Don't you have the hanging of a guy who copped a feel 20 years ago to attend?
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  216. @Almost Missouri
    Not to mention, Blagojevich barely committed a crime. Do you think any governor has ever given away a Senate appointment for nothing? Blagojevich's "crime" was being a little too honest about the appointment process.

    Blago was convicted of talking to himself. The prosecution never offered evidence that Blago, received or offered a bribe. The tapes were of him talking out loud about what he wants. The only person present was his wife who laughed along. Oddly enough, she was never arrested. Blago could have used many historical examples of statesmen making deals, but he was too stupid to do so. His sentence was extreme. A few years later someone was convicted of actually bribing someone, and had previous convictions in this area. He got only 3-5 years.
    Blago was a congressman for 6 years, and was just elected to his second term as governor. Hew treated by the State- representatives-for-life and the Alderman-for-life as some errand boy. Blago wanted some respect. He thought this was the way. Blago had the chance to take over the democratic machine. He fumbled his chance. He was a great campaigner and could have been president, but when the chance came, he fumbled. Mistakes in politics are merciless.

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  217. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Alden
    It happens all the time. Maybe at one time it was common to have a woman present but it’s been decades since that protocol was observed.

    And how would a young girl know to demand a chaperone be present?

    She wouldn’t, but she darned well should, or rather the demand should be made for her. Parents, and the whole “system”, are seriously at fault here.

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  218. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    In the more enlightened ages of the past, these women still would have been prosecuted and penalized, just for more valid reasons.
     
    No, more likely they would have lost their jobs and been shamed out of town.

    But then, how often did this kind of thing happen in our grandpappies' day?

    Well, it happened in “A Streetcar Named Desire”, but that’s a small sample size.

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  219. @Steve Gittelson

    Someone who believes you should be hanged for touching pussy is a Puritan prig.
     
    Yup, usually true, pretty much.

    And this Puritan prig (in other words, you) wouldn’t know your own Puritanism that crawled up your ass and made a home there if it bit you.
     
    Yup, I sure would. But the fact is, I said nothing about the penalty for touching pussy. That was all you. Go figure, huh?

    Vengeance is mine saith Lord. Vegeance sentences are not just, and they do not do a damn thing to correct behaviors that society deems illegal.
     
    Sorry, I am disinterested in what your lord saith.

    The hang ‘em high shit has got to go, especially in this area, if for nothing else that it is justice by feelings and that is no justice at all.
     
    Social mores are far more consistent than religious mores, and far more of a determinant of the capacity for any given civilization to succeed, and to remain so. Your opinion is hysterical, indignant, and misplaced.

    Social mores are far more consistent than religious mores? Rofl. So….. 250 years ago the age of consent in many places was 12. It was a social more. Funny how inconsistent that social more turned out to be, isn’t it?

    Social mores are far more of a determinant of the capacity for any given civilization to succeed?

    So first you use the weasle word “consistent” whatever that means. Then you use 2 more weasle words, “deeterminant” and “capacity” to describe…….absolutiely nothing.

    Mores are “a determinant?” So someone somewhere studied social mores throughout all civilizations in history and “determined” that social mores were more of a determinant than religious mores? What are you talking about, mate? For much of human history social and religious mores were the same!

    And what is the “capacity” for “any given” civilization to “succeed?”

    So my test civilization has more of a “capacity” to “succeed” in something? What is success? What percentage of capacity would I need to have my civilization succeed? What would success look like? This one we have now? Wow. Now that’s a capacity to succeed I can determine.

    Spew your Puritan prig garbage in someone else’s thead, pal, because you are devolving into corporate-speak moron talk on this one. Don’t you have the hanging of a guy who copped a feel 20 years ago to attend?

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    Social mores are far more consistent than religious mores? Rofl. So….. 250 years ago the age of consent in many places was 12. It was a social more.
     
    You ID yourself as an ignoramus with your first sentence. An age of consent, as a number, is not a social more. The social more is that there IS a societal recognition that consent is key, and maturity enables consent.

    The rest is just a lot more of your line of crap. It bores me. You are blocked.
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  220. Alden says:
    @attilathehen
    I'm ok, you're not. If you like Asians, there must be Asians in your life a la Derbyshire. Asians are not wanted and do not belong in the West.

    Also, you are an online stalker. You've commented to me before about being some "Betty." You don't like my comments about the Roman Catholic Church (RCC). You accept black/Asian priests-popes. That is a problem. The RCC is now an enemy of the West and the papacy needs to be relocated to the either the Congo or the Philippines.

    You also said you comment at Occidental Observer. I'm aware of that website and their constant blaming the Jew for everything is insane. The problems the West faces today can be squarely placed on the Caucasian RCC male, Zioevangizer male, and the gentile Freemason. It is the weakness and cowardliness of the types, which stem from universal church and brotherhood, that is causing the crisis in the West.

    Since you are RCC, and presuming you live in the WASP/Yankee USA, you can relocate to the RCC Philippines (avg. IQ 86). No need to deal with the citizens of perfidious Albion.

    You’re also that Catherine McChesney weirdo who used to comment all over the websites.

    You don’t seem to know that it’s not the RCC. It’s never been called the RCC except in your demented mind. As far as black Asian clergy, most of the black clergy in America are Protestants. Most of the Asian Christian clergy are in Asia.

    What’s wrong with Asian Christian clergy in Asian countries.

    Most people who’ve been reading your crazy comments as Betty Catherine McChesney etc think you are a Zionist paid person whose job is to cause problems between anti Israel anti Jewish domination Christians.

    You’ve been banned from occidental observer amren and others because you are so obviously a Zionist troll

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  221. Alden says:
    @attilathehen
    I'm ok, you're not. If you like Asians, there must be Asians in your life a la Derbyshire. Asians are not wanted and do not belong in the West.

    Also, you are an online stalker. You've commented to me before about being some "Betty." You don't like my comments about the Roman Catholic Church (RCC). You accept black/Asian priests-popes. That is a problem. The RCC is now an enemy of the West and the papacy needs to be relocated to the either the Congo or the Philippines.

    You also said you comment at Occidental Observer. I'm aware of that website and their constant blaming the Jew for everything is insane. The problems the West faces today can be squarely placed on the Caucasian RCC male, Zioevangizer male, and the gentile Freemason. It is the weakness and cowardliness of the types, which stem from universal church and brotherhood, that is causing the crisis in the West.

    Since you are RCC, and presuming you live in the WASP/Yankee USA, you can relocate to the RCC Philippines (avg. IQ 86). No need to deal with the citizens of perfidious Albion.

    Albion is England, not the USA. Get a map. Exactly what do you mean by
    “accepting black Asian priests popes”

    That’s done by the priests who run the seminaries that produce priests. Bishops ordain then. Catholic cardinals elect the pope. Cardinals and bishops are appointed by popes.

    What has all that to do with me? How could I have possibly influenced the process?

    And why do you think your silly internet comments have any influence on the oldest institution in the western world?

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  222. Alden says:
    @Truth
    Aldey, I gotta come to Tillie's side here once again, I just don't get white people.

    Why, can't a WHITE NATIONALIST be pro white (as opposed to pro light-yellow)? I think Tillie is just to white for you lib-ur-uhls and you are all anti-white RAYCISS!

    Who’s Tillie?

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    LOL, you've just responded to Tillie twice.
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  223. Truth says:
    @Alden
    Who’s Tillie?

    LOL, you’ve just responded to Tillie twice.

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  224. @restless94110
    Social mores are far more consistent than religious mores? Rofl. So..... 250 years ago the age of consent in many places was 12. It was a social more. Funny how inconsistent that social more turned out to be, isn't it?

    Social mores are far more of a determinant of the capacity for any given civilization to succeed?

    So first you use the weasle word "consistent" whatever that means. Then you use 2 more weasle words, "deeterminant" and "capacity" to describe.......absolutiely nothing.

    Mores are "a determinant?" So someone somewhere studied social mores throughout all civilizations in history and "determined" that social mores were more of a determinant than religious mores? What are you talking about, mate? For much of human history social and religious mores were the same!

    And what is the "capacity" for "any given" civilization to "succeed?"

    So my test civilization has more of a "capacity" to "succeed" in something? What is success? What percentage of capacity would I need to have my civilization succeed? What would success look like? This one we have now? Wow. Now that's a capacity to succeed I can determine.

    Spew your Puritan prig garbage in someone else's thead, pal, because you are devolving into corporate-speak moron talk on this one. Don't you have the hanging of a guy who copped a feel 20 years ago to attend?

    Social mores are far more consistent than religious mores? Rofl. So….. 250 years ago the age of consent in many places was 12. It was a social more.

    You ID yourself as an ignoramus with your first sentence. An age of consent, as a number, is not a social more. The social more is that there IS a societal recognition that consent is key, and maturity enables consent.

    The rest is just a lot more of your line of crap. It bores me. You are blocked.

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    " An age of consent, as a number, is not a social more"

    Bullshit : A specific age of consent is an element of, and essential to the enforcement of the social more itself, as it imposes a specific limitation which must be established otherwise the "social more" aspect of the equasion is lost.

    Eliminate the "age of consent" concept and you open the door to unlimited abberation, and the "social more" is reduced to a nebulous vision of "consent", which can be altered and distorted at will.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army Vet, and pro jazz musician.

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  225. @Steve Gittelson

    Social mores are far more consistent than religious mores? Rofl. So….. 250 years ago the age of consent in many places was 12. It was a social more.
     
    You ID yourself as an ignoramus with your first sentence. An age of consent, as a number, is not a social more. The social more is that there IS a societal recognition that consent is key, and maturity enables consent.

    The rest is just a lot more of your line of crap. It bores me. You are blocked.

    ” An age of consent, as a number, is not a social more”

    Bullshit : A specific age of consent is an element of, and essential to the enforcement of the social more itself, as it imposes a specific limitation which must be established otherwise the “social more” aspect of the equasion is lost.

    Eliminate the “age of consent” concept and you open the door to unlimited abberation, and the “social more” is reduced to a nebulous vision of “consent”, which can be altered and distorted at will.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army Vet, and pro jazz musician.

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    Gotta go with Jazzy on this one, Gitty.
    , @Steve Gittelson


    ” An age of consent, as a number, is not a social more”
     
    Bullshit : A specific age of consent is an element of, and essential to the enforcement of the social more itself, as it imposes a specific limitation which must be established otherwise the “social more” aspect of the equasion is lost.
     
    No, it isn't.

    You really have lost a step and a half since you qualified for Mensa. Certainly, I've never been impressed by Mensans; they were all about the ego of it, never the development of trained intelligence.

    Either way, you show little sign of making any real use of the intelligence you claim, however trivial the Mensa requirements may be.

    And, you're blocked. I'm not wasting any more time on you.
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  226. Truth says:
    @Authenticjazzman
    " An age of consent, as a number, is not a social more"

    Bullshit : A specific age of consent is an element of, and essential to the enforcement of the social more itself, as it imposes a specific limitation which must be established otherwise the "social more" aspect of the equasion is lost.

    Eliminate the "age of consent" concept and you open the door to unlimited abberation, and the "social more" is reduced to a nebulous vision of "consent", which can be altered and distorted at will.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army Vet, and pro jazz musician.

    Gotta go with Jazzy on this one, Gitty.

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  227. @Authenticjazzman
    " An age of consent, as a number, is not a social more"

    Bullshit : A specific age of consent is an element of, and essential to the enforcement of the social more itself, as it imposes a specific limitation which must be established otherwise the "social more" aspect of the equasion is lost.

    Eliminate the "age of consent" concept and you open the door to unlimited abberation, and the "social more" is reduced to a nebulous vision of "consent", which can be altered and distorted at will.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army Vet, and pro jazz musician.

    ” An age of consent, as a number, is not a social more”

    Bullshit : A specific age of consent is an element of, and essential to the enforcement of the social more itself, as it imposes a specific limitation which must be established otherwise the “social more” aspect of the equasion is lost.

    No, it isn’t.

    You really have lost a step and a half since you qualified for Mensa. Certainly, I’ve never been impressed by Mensans; they were all about the ego of it, never the development of trained intelligence.

    Either way, you show little sign of making any real use of the intelligence you claim, however trivial the Mensa requirements may be.

    And, you’re blocked. I’m not wasting any more time on you.

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    I'd be more impressed if you would actually, you know, argue with more than simple contradiction. I know you don't particularly care, but I tend to think most other people reading this feel the same way.
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  228. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Gittelson


    ” An age of consent, as a number, is not a social more”
     
    Bullshit : A specific age of consent is an element of, and essential to the enforcement of the social more itself, as it imposes a specific limitation which must be established otherwise the “social more” aspect of the equasion is lost.
     
    No, it isn't.

    You really have lost a step and a half since you qualified for Mensa. Certainly, I've never been impressed by Mensans; they were all about the ego of it, never the development of trained intelligence.

    Either way, you show little sign of making any real use of the intelligence you claim, however trivial the Mensa requirements may be.

    And, you're blocked. I'm not wasting any more time on you.

    I’d be more impressed if you would actually, you know, argue with more than simple contradiction. I know you don’t particularly care, but I tend to think most other people reading this feel the same way.

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    I’d be more impressed if you would actually, you know, argue with more than simple contradiction. I know you don’t particularly care, but I tend to think most other people reading this feel the same way.
     
    You think I should put more effort into "impressing?" Let me take the easy route, and go straight to Wikipedia. Never mind that any of you could do the same, "impressing" notwithstanding.

    Mores, (plural form of singular mōs, meaning "manner", "custom", "usage", "habit") was introduced by William Graham Sumner (1840–1910), an early U.S. sociologist, to refer to social norms that are widely observed and are considered to have greater moral significance than others.

    The English word morality comes from the same Latin root "mōrēs", as does the English noun moral. However, mores do not, as is commonly supposed, necessarily carry connotations of morality. Rather, morality can be seen as a subset of mores, held to be of central importance in view of their content, and often formalized in some kind of moral code.
     
    That is sufficient explanation right there, but let me call to your attention "formalized in some kind of moral code". Thus, the common perception of "age of consent" is formalized into a legal definition that is not contained within the more per se.

    Consider that a legally-encoded, specified age of consent may vary from a value of age 10 to age 18, depending upon the mores of the culture doing the defining. That's the giveaway right there -- if "age of consent" were anything other than a variable arbitrarily selected by a citizen's law-making committee, it would be the same, or defined in non-numeric terms, throughout human cultures.

    But, it isn't. In primitive cultures (that is, in natural, nature- and biology-dependent human circumstances), age of consent is, typically, something close to onset of menses. That is, the point at which nature indicates that sexual activity is likely, which itself is also a significant component of "coming of age", and when human society recognizes that fact.
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  229. @Anon
    I'd be more impressed if you would actually, you know, argue with more than simple contradiction. I know you don't particularly care, but I tend to think most other people reading this feel the same way.

    I’d be more impressed if you would actually, you know, argue with more than simple contradiction. I know you don’t particularly care, but I tend to think most other people reading this feel the same way.

    You think I should put more effort into “impressing?” Let me take the easy route, and go straight to Wikipedia. Never mind that any of you could do the same, “impressing” notwithstanding.

    Mores, (plural form of singular mōs, meaning “manner”, “custom”, “usage”, “habit”) was introduced by William Graham Sumner (1840–1910), an early U.S. sociologist, to refer to social norms that are widely observed and are considered to have greater moral significance than others.

    The English word morality comes from the same Latin root “mōrēs”, as does the English noun moral. However, mores do not, as is commonly supposed, necessarily carry connotations of morality. Rather, morality can be seen as a subset of mores, held to be of central importance in view of their content, and often formalized in some kind of moral code.

    That is sufficient explanation right there, but let me call to your attention “formalized in some kind of moral code“. Thus, the common perception of “age of consent” is formalized into a legal definition that is not contained within the more per se.

    Consider that a legally-encoded, specified age of consent may vary from a value of age 10 to age 18, depending upon the mores of the culture doing the defining. That’s the giveaway right there — if “age of consent” were anything other than a variable arbitrarily selected by a citizen’s law-making committee, it would be the same, or defined in non-numeric terms, throughout human cultures.

    But, it isn’t. In primitive cultures (that is, in natural, nature- and biology-dependent human circumstances), age of consent is, typically, something close to onset of menses. That is, the point at which nature indicates that sexual activity is likely, which itself is also a significant component of “coming of age”, and when human society recognizes that fact.

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    The idea of sexual relations with children being prohibited is a) obviously a more and b) obviously depends on the interpretation of the meaning of "children". Which is age-related to most of us.

    In primitive cultures (that is, in natural, nature- and biology-dependent human circumstances
     
    All circumstances are nature-dependent.
    , @ScarletNumber
    Ahh, the ol' "old enough to bleed" defense.
    , @Alden
    But we don’t live in primitive cultures do we?
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  230. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @attilathehen
    I'm ok, you're not. If you like Asians, there must be Asians in your life a la Derbyshire. Asians are not wanted and do not belong in the West.

    Also, you are an online stalker. You've commented to me before about being some "Betty." You don't like my comments about the Roman Catholic Church (RCC). You accept black/Asian priests-popes. That is a problem. The RCC is now an enemy of the West and the papacy needs to be relocated to the either the Congo or the Philippines.

    You also said you comment at Occidental Observer. I'm aware of that website and their constant blaming the Jew for everything is insane. The problems the West faces today can be squarely placed on the Caucasian RCC male, Zioevangizer male, and the gentile Freemason. It is the weakness and cowardliness of the types, which stem from universal church and brotherhood, that is causing the crisis in the West.

    Since you are RCC, and presuming you live in the WASP/Yankee USA, you can relocate to the RCC Philippines (avg. IQ 86). No need to deal with the citizens of perfidious Albion.

    The problems the West faces today can be squarely placed on the Caucasian RCC male, Zioevangizer male, and the gentile Freemason.

    Ah yes, that makes sense, as does your endless, repetitive stalking and harassment of Mr Derbyshire. With all due respect, you need to be banned from unz.com on the grounds of irredeemable stupidity.

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    With all due respect, you need to be banned from unz.com on the grounds of irredeemable stupidity.
     
    Remember that old 80's joke? "Hire the handicapped. They're fun to watch."

    It's a choice of watching attila or just putting him on the Ignore list.
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    The problems the West faces today can be squarely placed on the Caucasian RCC male, Zioevangizer male, and the gentile Freemason.
     
    Ah yes, that makes sense, as does your endless, repetitive stalking and harassment of Mr Derbyshire. With all due respect, you need to be banned from unz.com on the grounds of irredeemable stupidity.

    With all due respect, you need to be banned from unz.com on the grounds of irredeemable stupidity.

    Remember that old 80′s joke? “Hire the handicapped. They’re fun to watch.”

    It’s a choice of watching attila or just putting him on the Ignore list.

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  232. @Steve Gittelson
    Misuse of "sic".

    When someone using a name that ends in -thehen is referenced with his, then [sic] performs the function it is customarily there for.

    I always want to insert it in pen whenever I see his husband or her wife.

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  233. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Gittelson

    I’d be more impressed if you would actually, you know, argue with more than simple contradiction. I know you don’t particularly care, but I tend to think most other people reading this feel the same way.
     
    You think I should put more effort into "impressing?" Let me take the easy route, and go straight to Wikipedia. Never mind that any of you could do the same, "impressing" notwithstanding.

    Mores, (plural form of singular mōs, meaning "manner", "custom", "usage", "habit") was introduced by William Graham Sumner (1840–1910), an early U.S. sociologist, to refer to social norms that are widely observed and are considered to have greater moral significance than others.

    The English word morality comes from the same Latin root "mōrēs", as does the English noun moral. However, mores do not, as is commonly supposed, necessarily carry connotations of morality. Rather, morality can be seen as a subset of mores, held to be of central importance in view of their content, and often formalized in some kind of moral code.
     
    That is sufficient explanation right there, but let me call to your attention "formalized in some kind of moral code". Thus, the common perception of "age of consent" is formalized into a legal definition that is not contained within the more per se.

    Consider that a legally-encoded, specified age of consent may vary from a value of age 10 to age 18, depending upon the mores of the culture doing the defining. That's the giveaway right there -- if "age of consent" were anything other than a variable arbitrarily selected by a citizen's law-making committee, it would be the same, or defined in non-numeric terms, throughout human cultures.

    But, it isn't. In primitive cultures (that is, in natural, nature- and biology-dependent human circumstances), age of consent is, typically, something close to onset of menses. That is, the point at which nature indicates that sexual activity is likely, which itself is also a significant component of "coming of age", and when human society recognizes that fact.

    The idea of sexual relations with children being prohibited is a) obviously a more and b) obviously depends on the interpretation of the meaning of “children”. Which is age-related to most of us.

    In primitive cultures (that is, in natural, nature- and biology-dependent human circumstances

    All circumstances are nature-dependent.

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    You seem to be attempting a point. I have no idea what it might be.

    It irritates me that I provided you the opportunity.

    Drop fucking dead, asshole.
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  234. @Anon
    The idea of sexual relations with children being prohibited is a) obviously a more and b) obviously depends on the interpretation of the meaning of "children". Which is age-related to most of us.

    In primitive cultures (that is, in natural, nature- and biology-dependent human circumstances
     
    All circumstances are nature-dependent.

    You seem to be attempting a point. I have no idea what it might be.

    It irritates me that I provided you the opportunity.

    Drop fucking dead, asshole.

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    Thank you for that glimpse into your scintillating intellect-- a realm far above us mere mortals, except perhaps occasionally in a moment of enlightenment reached at the bottom of a particularly good glass. Have another one for me.
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  235. Twinkie says:
    @Truth
    A bit archaic, but complicated.


    In 2012, the acceptance rate is actually less for osteopathic medical school then for allopathic medical school. Yes – it was statistically easier to get into MD school!
     
    https://medicalschoolhq.net/md-vs-do-what-are-the-differences-and-similarities/

    The only real difference nowadays is in long residency specialties. You rarely meet a DO surgeon, but for a GP hospitals don't have any real animus toward them in general

    In 2012, the acceptance rate is actually less for osteopathic medical school then for allopathic medical school. Yes – it was statistically easier to get into MD school!

    That’s a cute trick – it doesn’t account for the fact that DO schools and MD schools draw from different pools of applicants.

    “Selectivity” only matters if the applicant pool is identical or similar. By and large, DO school applicants are MD school rejects. Higher selectivity of rejects is still going to produce lower qualification candidates than “lower selectivity” of better qualified candidates.

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  236. Twinkie says:
    @ScarletNumber
    Now, now. Don't lump osteopaths with the rest of those charlatans.

    Don’t lump osteopaths with the rest of those charlatans.

    DOs were also “charlatans” – they and chiropractors share the same beginnings – until they worked their way into conventional medical accreditation and residency programs. Still don’t understand how the AMA let that happen.

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  237. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Gittelson
    You seem to be attempting a point. I have no idea what it might be.

    It irritates me that I provided you the opportunity.

    Drop fucking dead, asshole.

    Thank you for that glimpse into your scintillating intellect– a realm far above us mere mortals, except perhaps occasionally in a moment of enlightenment reached at the bottom of a particularly good glass. Have another one for me.

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  238. @Steve Gittelson

    I’d be more impressed if you would actually, you know, argue with more than simple contradiction. I know you don’t particularly care, but I tend to think most other people reading this feel the same way.
     
    You think I should put more effort into "impressing?" Let me take the easy route, and go straight to Wikipedia. Never mind that any of you could do the same, "impressing" notwithstanding.

    Mores, (plural form of singular mōs, meaning "manner", "custom", "usage", "habit") was introduced by William Graham Sumner (1840–1910), an early U.S. sociologist, to refer to social norms that are widely observed and are considered to have greater moral significance than others.

    The English word morality comes from the same Latin root "mōrēs", as does the English noun moral. However, mores do not, as is commonly supposed, necessarily carry connotations of morality. Rather, morality can be seen as a subset of mores, held to be of central importance in view of their content, and often formalized in some kind of moral code.
     
    That is sufficient explanation right there, but let me call to your attention "formalized in some kind of moral code". Thus, the common perception of "age of consent" is formalized into a legal definition that is not contained within the more per se.

    Consider that a legally-encoded, specified age of consent may vary from a value of age 10 to age 18, depending upon the mores of the culture doing the defining. That's the giveaway right there -- if "age of consent" were anything other than a variable arbitrarily selected by a citizen's law-making committee, it would be the same, or defined in non-numeric terms, throughout human cultures.

    But, it isn't. In primitive cultures (that is, in natural, nature- and biology-dependent human circumstances), age of consent is, typically, something close to onset of menses. That is, the point at which nature indicates that sexual activity is likely, which itself is also a significant component of "coming of age", and when human society recognizes that fact.

    Ahh, the ol’ “old enough to bleed” defense.

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    That would let out a lot of these gymnasts. They might be old enough for cycles by normal standards, but not having them yet (or ever), thanks to early training regimens that lower fat ratio to beneath the minimum necessary to process estrogen. (See longer comment above.) That's why so many of them are short, squeaky-voiced gnomes with flat barrel-chests, and will have fertility problems throughout adult life. You can't just skip puberty and come back to it in your 20s when you've retired from competition.

    That is also why Nassar's actions would have caused even more physical discomfort. These were teens with the undeveloped reproductive systems of children.

    The ones who do manage to develop normally are often cut from the team for getting "fat," because it's harder to lift yourself off the beam and do all those rotations when you have hips and a bosom getting in the way.

    The sport was more reasonable when I used to do it, but these days, it's producing a generation of female castrati: fit for nothing but coaching, TV commentary, or "Motivational Speaking" once their competition days are over.
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  239. @ScarletNumber
    Ahh, the ol' "old enough to bleed" defense.

    That would let out a lot of these gymnasts. They might be old enough for cycles by normal standards, but not having them yet (or ever), thanks to early training regimens that lower fat ratio to beneath the minimum necessary to process estrogen. (See longer comment above.) That’s why so many of them are short, squeaky-voiced gnomes with flat barrel-chests, and will have fertility problems throughout adult life. You can’t just skip puberty and come back to it in your 20s when you’ve retired from competition.

    That is also why Nassar’s actions would have caused even more physical discomfort. These were teens with the undeveloped reproductive systems of children.

    The ones who do manage to develop normally are often cut from the team for getting “fat,” because it’s harder to lift yourself off the beam and do all those rotations when you have hips and a bosom getting in the way.

    The sport was more reasonable when I used to do it, but these days, it’s producing a generation of female castrati: fit for nothing but coaching, TV commentary, or “Motivational Speaking” once their competition days are over.

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  240. @Rosamond Vincy
    The guy was an osteopath, not a gynecologist. He was "treating" sore backs (endemic to gymnasts) by claiming an actual loose tissue disease could be diagnosed and treated by pelvic examinations. In some cases, he stuck his entire (ungloved) hand in the victim, something that even grown women can usually tolerate only when hormones have expanded the birth canal just prior to labor--too soon means losing the baby, and hormones (or if necessary, the episiotomy followed by the husband's knot) bring the dimensions more or less back to a normal state some time after childbirth (though as most parents can testify, things are never quite the same).

    Many of these girls were prepubescent, regardless of age. Estrogen is fat-based, and the intense training and resulting muscle-fat ratio means a lot of them get their first cycle in their 20s, if at all. What he did would have been intensely painful, traumatic both emotionally and physically. This wasn't an awkward third base during an adolescent make-out session: this was a grown man doing things that would have been painful for a GROEN woman not about to give birth, to teens with the bodies of ten-year-olds, or in some cases, to actual ten-year-olds. Ever try to do a split leap or a glide kip directly after vulvar and vaginal trauma? Would Mackayla Maroney's bronze in vault be a silver or a gold if she hadn't been freshly mauled by Nassar right before competition? Between molestation and malpractice, he deserves every second of his sentence.

    That said:

    1. The judge's behavior was pathetic. Judge Harold Rothwax was careful to avoid the appearance of partiality in the Lisa Steinberg case, because he wanted to be able to sentence Joel Steinberg to the maximum possible under the law at that time without risking a mistrial or an appeal. Acquilina should not have risked this conviction by indicating openly that she hoped Bubba and T-Bone would give Nassar the Welcome Wagon in General Pop, even if she privately thought it.

    2. The parents are pathetic. They send their kids away to be trained at a young age, and the kids are less street-smart than your average bridge-&-tunnel kid regularly taking the subway between boroughs. The kids also don't feel comfortable enough to ask their parents when they're not sure if something is right, and they don't want to let them down by not fulfilling all those Olympic dreams (the parents'; kids used to ask for gymnastics lessons in elementary or middle school, just like they asked for ballet or karate, but now they're put in as toddlers).

    You can bet if someone had suggested these "treatments" to me when I was doing competitive sports, I'd have been on the phone to my mother asking for advice before I'd have submitted to anything. My mother would have told me to leave IMMEDIATELY--but not before handing the phone to the "doctor" so she could give him a piece of her mind. Which everyone in a five-mile vicinity would have heard, without the existence of speakerphones. (A friend of mine who knew my mother said he wouldn't put it past her to travel cross-country to give someone like Nassar an earful.).

    These girls (and some boys: one girl saw her brother get stuck full of needles near the groin area--whether Nassar was qualified to use acupuncture is another question) are too cut off from a normal upbringing to know what is normal and what is not. This is just the beginning: figure-skating and professional ballet are undoubtedly next (they too privilege and also tend to produce undeveloped bodies), and it will make its way to boys' sports eventually.

    Appreciated for the bit of sanity you added.

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  241. @unpc downunder
    Something that is often overlooked in commentaries on this wave of female sexual harassment claims is the role of feminist NGOs in encouraging and pressuring high profile women to come forward and report their stories. Once one women comes forward to talk about a creepy coach, feminist groups will no doubt be very active in encouraging other women to come forward and will advise them about how to talk to judges and the media. Similarly, a diverse bunch of female celebrities doesn't just decide to wear black at an award ceremony to signal their solidarity with abused women. The idea comes from a left-wing activists group which tells them to it, and tells them they must use their celebrity power to increase awareness of female harassment. Modern progressives are heavily focused on raising public awareness of perceived social ills. This is why feminists groups are focusing so strongly on elite issues like the gender pay gap in Hollywood and sexual harassment of female celebrities and sports stars. Talking about grass roots progressive issues like the pay rates of rest home workers doesn't attract much public interest.

    Thank you, unpc, for your insightful comments. Mass hysteria of this nature (see Robert Bartholomew’s article)

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/its-catching/201703/why-are-females-prone-mass-hysteria

    has many roots, much like the economy. (And reducing the economy’s complexity to a few variables such as interest rates and money supply is too simplistic as many econometric computer modelers have learned to their chagrin even with all their parallel-processing Cray super-computers. )
    Part of its root structure is reflexive group think (aided by “well intended” laws and governmental programs such as Title IX), part is the natural progression from high-risk-tolerance youthful libido to angst-ridden resentful simmering rage, part the cynical use of scape-goating and witch burning to amass political power and individual celebrity, the Media jumping on board to sell advertising, tort lawyers, and on and on…. Once it was acceptable medical practice to alleviate female tension by pelvic manipulation but doctors eventually found this to be “…tiring and laborious…” per Wikipedia. Which resulted in the development of steam-powered manipulator “dildo” tables in the Industrial Age. (God bless Technology.)

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  242. anarchyst says:
    @unpc downunder
    Something that is often overlooked in commentaries on this wave of female sexual harassment claims is the role of feminist NGOs in encouraging and pressuring high profile women to come forward and report their stories. Once one women comes forward to talk about a creepy coach, feminist groups will no doubt be very active in encouraging other women to come forward and will advise them about how to talk to judges and the media. Similarly, a diverse bunch of female celebrities doesn't just decide to wear black at an award ceremony to signal their solidarity with abused women. The idea comes from a left-wing activists group which tells them to it, and tells them they must use their celebrity power to increase awareness of female harassment. Modern progressives are heavily focused on raising public awareness of perceived social ills. This is why feminists groups are focusing so strongly on elite issues like the gender pay gap in Hollywood and sexual harassment of female celebrities and sports stars. Talking about grass roots progressive issues like the pay rates of rest home workers doesn't attract much public interest.

    Remember the McMartin daycare center trials and convictions, where vindictive prosecutors and totally dishonest psychologists “coached” kids into providing accusations that were blatantly false?
    How about the Wenatchee Washington daycare center “witch-hunts” in which a lone detective railroaded and destroyed the lives of daycare center operators by the same methods used in the McMartin daycare center case?
    Both cases are examples of malicious prosecution using discredited methods to get children to accuse adults of sordid events that never took place.
    Talk about hysteria exploding into totally unjust and criminal actions by police, prosecutors and courts…judicial grandstanding at its worst…

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  243. @Bragadocious
    I know I’m a geezer and out of touch, but in my generation, unless you were spectacularly ugly, you didn’t make it through childhood and adolescence without an occasional pervert coming on at you.

    This may be one of those things that separate Brits from Americans. The Brits still don't have an online database where you can look up convicted sex offenders by name, and see their picture. We have had such a database here now for around 2 decades. It's called Megan's Law, and Derb seems unfamiliar with it.

    The closest thing the Brits have is some sort of pseudo-spam site where they post details of recent convictions, but it's not a lookup by name site.

    British courts routinely give convicted pedos new identities to prevent people from bothering them after their prison terms are complete. We do the opposite. We make it so pedos can't hide, ever. I sort of like our approach.

    British courts routinely give convicted pedos new identities to prevent people from bothering them after their prison terms are complete. We do the opposite. We make it so pedos can’t hide, ever. I sort of like our approach.

    I’d love it if we could add to that a database of convicted killers. Anyone who’s ever been convicted of a crime involving manslaughter all the way up to murder should have his name in a publicly-available database. After all, which criminal is more dangerous to life and limb – a convicted sex offender or a convicted killer?

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    Depends. A man who kills in a fit of passion may not be as big a threat as a level 3 child molestor. A lawyer in Connecticut knifed a man to death because he thought he had raped his daughter. He's now in prison. I'd say he has a better chance at rehabilitation than a pedo who targets small kids.
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  244. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @SMK
    "Justice" in Michigan! In Jan. of 2015, in Grand Rapids, Abigail Simon was sentenced to 8-25 years in prison, the mandatory minimum, and a lifetime of electronic parole-monitoring with an ankle-tether/"bracelet she can never remove (not even when showering, bathing, having sex) and public sex-offender registration as a uniquely dangerous and degenerate criminal, for having sex with a 15-year-old student and biological man who she claims forced himself on her and "controlled her life" by threats and intimidation. And shortly thereafter, Kathryn Ronk was sentenced to 6-15 years in prison, under a plea-bargain, for having sex with a 15-year-old male student.

    And for each year they're enslaved, in Detroit alone, nameless low-IQ brutes and savages who should be in prison commit hundreds of rapes and murders and thousands of other violent and mala in se crimes: aggravated assaults, attempted murder, muggings, armed robberies, gang-shootings, burglaries, vandalism, etc.

    8-25 years in prison … for having sex with a 15-year-old [boy]
    6-15 years in prison … for having sex with a 15-year-old male student.

    The NARRATIVE (TM) must be maintained at any cost that the effect of sex is exactly the same for men and women in all respects. If that means jailing some frisky female high school teachers for life, that’s a price the Left is willing to pay.

    Even physical/biological effects are exactly the same. Only white racists would claim that boys cannot get pregnant.

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  245. @Johann Ricke

    British courts routinely give convicted pedos new identities to prevent people from bothering them after their prison terms are complete. We do the opposite. We make it so pedos can’t hide, ever. I sort of like our approach.
     
    I'd love it if we could add to that a database of convicted killers. Anyone who's ever been convicted of a crime involving manslaughter all the way up to murder should have his name in a publicly-available database. After all, which criminal is more dangerous to life and limb - a convicted sex offender or a convicted killer?

    Depends. A man who kills in a fit of passion may not be as big a threat as a level 3 child molestor. A lawyer in Connecticut knifed a man to death because he thought he had raped his daughter. He’s now in prison. I’d say he has a better chance at rehabilitation than a pedo who targets small kids.

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  247. Bolteric says:
    @Steve Gittelson
    Freedom of speech is good. It means that attilathehen can display his rather comical misconceptions for everyone to see, and for everyone to laugh at.

    In fact, there's nothing I like better than to see a warped personality like attilahen pour out his hatred. Good for him, and the bestest ever warning for the rest of us.

    The commentator Attila the Hen appears to be female, refers to herself as a “Western woman.” She does make a couple good points but is over the top.

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  248. anarchyst says:
    @Twinkie
    Excellent summary.

    The guy was an osteopath, not a gynecologist.

     

    I still don't understand why in the U.S. osteopaths (whose industry essentially began the same as chiropractors) get to participate in medical residencies and (afterwards) practice as medical doctors. It's not like someone who can actually get into a real accredited medical school would forsake that and go to an osteopathic school instead! It is now basically a way for those who can't get into medical schools to become fully-functioning physicians.

    It's just bizarre. How did the AMA lose that battle? Argh, everyone is now a "doctor" in the U.S. - osteopaths, chiropractors, optometrists, and now nurses (with nursing Ph.D.'s).

    You are wrong about osteopaths. Osteopathic and allopathic physicians have very similar credentialing paths.
    Allopathic physicians utilize external methods of dealing with diseases–drugs, etc..
    Osteopathic physicians utilize the body’s own resources as a way of dealing with diseases.
    The AMA was created in order to cartelize the practice of medicine.
    In fact, only about 13% of physicians belong to the AMA.

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    Twinkie has a 170 IQ. Don't argue with him.
    , @Twinkie

    You are wrong about osteopaths. Osteopathic and allopathic physicians have very similar credentialing paths.
     
    Yes, TODAY. Study the history of osteopathic “medicine” - it began as chiropractics did, based on the completely unscientific idea that joint-manipulation could cure diseases. And even today, DOs are medical school rejects.
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  249. Keypusher says:
    @Truth
    LOL, here, here!

    heh heh heh heh

    It’s “hear, hear.” Pet peeve

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    Thanks.
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  250. my2cents says:

    As far as I know Dr. Nassar has not been accused of rape, only of fondling. What is a genuine medical examination vs fondling I don’t know. But I sure know what rape is.
    This whole episode stinks to high heaven…..It took 25 years to come up with accusations of impropriety? 25 years, and in some cases the mother was present.? So I agree totally with John and shame on our judicial system and on the judge. Was he a creep for fondling and putting is fingers where they did not belong absolutely….He did not rape or kill anyone…..so anything more than 10 years is judicial abuse and should immediately require the Judge to step down.
    The vengeance of the self-righteous are on view here. .

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    As far as I know Dr. Nassar has not been accused of rape, only of fondling. What is a genuine medical examination vs fondling I don’t know.
     
    I try not to engage in ad hominem, but sometimes it’s just appropriate. You, sir or madam, are mentally defective, period.
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  251. Truth says:
    @Keypusher
    It’s “hear, hear.” Pet peeve

    Thanks.

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  252. Truth says:
    @anarchyst
    You are wrong about osteopaths. Osteopathic and allopathic physicians have very similar credentialing paths.
    Allopathic physicians utilize external methods of dealing with diseases--drugs, etc..
    Osteopathic physicians utilize the body's own resources as a way of dealing with diseases.
    The AMA was created in order to cartelize the practice of medicine.
    In fact, only about 13% of physicians belong to the AMA.

    Twinkie has a 170 IQ. Don’t argue with him.

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    Twinkie has a 170 IQ. Don’t argue with him.
     
    Not quite that high. A tad lower than that. But you can take a digit off mine and it’d still be higher than yours. You decide which digit.
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  253. The victim statements are probably just giving Nassar a nostalgic thrill. People like him often treasure souvenirs of their deeds. The dad who wanted to beat him to a pulp probably had a better solution

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  254. Alden says:
    @Steve Gittelson

    I’d be more impressed if you would actually, you know, argue with more than simple contradiction. I know you don’t particularly care, but I tend to think most other people reading this feel the same way.
     
    You think I should put more effort into "impressing?" Let me take the easy route, and go straight to Wikipedia. Never mind that any of you could do the same, "impressing" notwithstanding.

    Mores, (plural form of singular mōs, meaning "manner", "custom", "usage", "habit") was introduced by William Graham Sumner (1840–1910), an early U.S. sociologist, to refer to social norms that are widely observed and are considered to have greater moral significance than others.

    The English word morality comes from the same Latin root "mōrēs", as does the English noun moral. However, mores do not, as is commonly supposed, necessarily carry connotations of morality. Rather, morality can be seen as a subset of mores, held to be of central importance in view of their content, and often formalized in some kind of moral code.
     
    That is sufficient explanation right there, but let me call to your attention "formalized in some kind of moral code". Thus, the common perception of "age of consent" is formalized into a legal definition that is not contained within the more per se.

    Consider that a legally-encoded, specified age of consent may vary from a value of age 10 to age 18, depending upon the mores of the culture doing the defining. That's the giveaway right there -- if "age of consent" were anything other than a variable arbitrarily selected by a citizen's law-making committee, it would be the same, or defined in non-numeric terms, throughout human cultures.

    But, it isn't. In primitive cultures (that is, in natural, nature- and biology-dependent human circumstances), age of consent is, typically, something close to onset of menses. That is, the point at which nature indicates that sexual activity is likely, which itself is also a significant component of "coming of age", and when human society recognizes that fact.

    But we don’t live in primitive cultures do we?

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  255. Twinkie says:
    @anarchyst
    You are wrong about osteopaths. Osteopathic and allopathic physicians have very similar credentialing paths.
    Allopathic physicians utilize external methods of dealing with diseases--drugs, etc..
    Osteopathic physicians utilize the body's own resources as a way of dealing with diseases.
    The AMA was created in order to cartelize the practice of medicine.
    In fact, only about 13% of physicians belong to the AMA.

    You are wrong about osteopaths. Osteopathic and allopathic physicians have very similar credentialing paths.

    Yes, TODAY. Study the history of osteopathic “medicine” – it began as chiropractics did, based on the completely unscientific idea that joint-manipulation could cure diseases. And even today, DOs are medical school rejects.

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  256. Twinkie says:
    @Truth
    Twinkie has a 170 IQ. Don't argue with him.

    Twinkie has a 170 IQ. Don’t argue with him.

    Not quite that high. A tad lower than that. But you can take a digit off mine and it’d still be higher than yours. You decide which digit.

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    LOL, you're right Twinx, I'm kinda dumb. But compared to The Progenitor of the website, SO ARE YOU!

    I mean, my IQ is probably closer to yours than yours...

    And I'm a smart black man, I scored an 89!

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  257. Twinkie says:
    @my2cents
    As far as I know Dr. Nassar has not been accused of rape, only of fondling. What is a genuine medical examination vs fondling I don't know. But I sure know what rape is.
    This whole episode stinks to high heaven.....It took 25 years to come up with accusations of impropriety? 25 years, and in some cases the mother was present.? So I agree totally with John and shame on our judicial system and on the judge. Was he a creep for