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When Christmas and New Year’s both fall on a weekend, that week in between is the silliest of all silly seasons in the Western world. Unless there’s a natural disaster, or some non-Western lunatic tries to start a war, nothing happens. So I’m going to write at length about the one newsy thing that did happen this week: the fuss over the U.S.A. not using its veto in the U.N. Security Council to take down a resolution critical of Israel. I don’t think it’s half as important as it looks.

To judge from my email bag and donation logs, I have a surprising number of readers in Israel. I say “surprising” because I hardly ever say anything about Israel or her affairs, and don’t actually know much about the place.

The last time I wrote at length about Israel was, I think, in mid-2010 at TakiMag.com, and that was only by way of putting down a marker. I had just started writing regularly for TakiMag, which runs some anti-Israel stuff, and I wanted to make my own position plain:

Any fair-minded person must be an Israel sympathizer. A hundred years ago there were Jews and Arabs living in that part of the Ottoman Empire. After the Ottoman collapse, both peoples had a right to set up their own ethnostates. It has been the furiously intransigent Arab denial of this fact, not anything Israelis have done, that has been the root cause of all subsequent troubles.

Aside from being a well-wisher of Israel in sentiment, though, I agree with Steve Sailer that we pay much more attention to the place that our national interest justifies, for reasons to do with the over-representation of Jewish Americans in the Main Stream Media and the wealthy-donor classes.

From a cold-eyed view of U.S. interests, Israel isn’t very important—less important than Mexico or Japan, which get far fewer column inches. The problem is that American Jews are not cold-eyed, and their collective voice is loud.

For example: We found out by chance a couple of years ago that David Brooks, an American citizen who writes a much-read Op-Ed column in the New York Times, has or then had a son serving in the Israeli military [David Brooks’ Son Is In the Israeli Army: Does It Matter?, By Rob Eshman, Jewish Journal, September 22, 2014]—a thing that Brooks and the NYT had never told us.

Why didn’t Brooks, Jr. join the U.S. military if he felt the urge to go soldiering? I don’t know. How many other bigfoot American pundits or political donors have kids in the Israeli military? I don’t know. Do any have sons or daughters in the Mexican or Japanese military? I don’t know, but I doubt it.

And when I said the collective voice of America’s Jews is loud, I should of course have said “voices”—plural There’s a division of opinion, which this week’s ructions have highlighted:

American Jews are … overwhelmingly Democratic; Jews voted for Hillary Clinton over Mr. Trump, 71 percent to 24 percent, according to exit polls.

Yet the most influential and vocal organizations that represent Jews in Washington tend to be more conservative and supportive of Mr. Netanyahu, who has had a combative relationship with Mr. Obama, and has made little secret of his happiness over the changing of the guard that is about to take place in Washington.

American Jews Divided Over Strain in U.S.-Israel Relations. New York Times, December 29th, Link in original

The contradictions and paradoxes here have often been noted. American Jews of all positions want I srael to remain an ethnostate, a Jewish state; yet liberal Jews are horrified at the suggestion that the U.S.A. should likewise maintain a solid monoethnic core.

Alan Colmes, for example, thought it shocking when, in We Are Doomed, I quoted with approval Samuel Huntington’s words that “The [American philosophical-Constitutional] Creed is unlikely to retain its salience if Americans abandon the Anglo-Protestant culture in which it has been rooted.” (You can see him being shocked below.)

Colmes’ position is the common one among liberal American Jews: ethnonationalism for me, but not for thee.

All this has been said many times, of course. Pat Buchanan has been saying it for forty years. The sheer tiresomely repetitive quality of talk about Israel in fact deters the thoughtful commentator from writing about it.

The geopolitical situation over there is exceptionally static. It’s been the same just about forever, it seems—actually since the Six-Day War of 1967, fifty years ago this coming June. What can one say that hasn’t been said?

There’s a historical parallel here. The Irish historian Conor Cruise O’Brien raised it, and was followed by others. It’s worth resurrecting, though; and the fact that it’s not original speaks to the very point I’m making:

When Britain went into the First World War in 1914, lesser problems were put on hold. One of those lesser problems was some arrangement for Irish independence, an issue that was just coming to the boil in 1914.

When World War I was over at last, Ireland heated up again, leading to t he armed struggle for independence, then to partition and Home Rule at the end of 1921, violently opposed by the Unionists of Northern Ireland.

Winston Churchill made a famous remark about this when speaking to Parliament in 1922. The Great War had changed the whole map of Europe, he said,

But as the deluge subsides and the waters fall short we see the dreary steeples of Fermanagh and Tyrone emerging once again. The integrity of their quarrel is one of the few institutions that has been unaltered in the cataclysm which has swept the world.

Speech on the second reading of the Irish Free State Bill, February 16, 1922

That’s how most of us feel about the Arab-Israeli dispute.

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Fifty years on from Israel’s astonishing victory over the massed forces of Egypt, Jordan, and Syria, the world has turned over several times. The European Union came up, consolidated, and is now disintegrating; Europe’s colonial empires have been dismantled; the Soviet Union, which looked as though it would last forever, is one with Nineveh and Tyre; the Islamic world has gone from enthusiasm for modernization, socialism, and secularism to a revival of the most primitive, most violent and passionate styles of Islam; China has shucked off revolutionary austerity for a gross style of consumer crony-capitalism; and the U.S.A. has been busily replacing its legacy population with Third World immigrants.

And as the waters of this slow and—thank goodness—mostly peaceful turmoil subside, we see the dreary mosques, temples, and churches of the West Bank emerging once again. The integrity of their quarrel is one of the few institutions that has been unaltered in the changes which have swept our world since 1967.

Secretary of State John Kerry, in his Wednesday speech in Washington, D.C., said that “Israel can either be Jewish or democratic—it cannot be both.” That caused a mild fuss, with some of the fiercer partisans of Israel denouncing it.

It wasn’t original, though. It would have been astonishing if it was, coming from an unimaginative mediocrity like Kerry. Ehud Barak had said it back in 1999. And I doubt he was the first. Barak was no enemy of Zionism, either. He was born in a kibbutz, served with distinction in Israel’s armed forces, became Chief of the Israeli General Staff, then Minister of Defense, and then Prime Minister. His opinion has some weight.

It’s arguable for all that. The arithmetic doesn’t quite work. If Israel, Jewish population 6.3 million, non-Jewish population 2.1 million, were to annex the West Bank—half a million Jews, 2.8 million non-Jews—it would then have 6.8 million Jews and 4.9 million non-Jews. So it would still be a majority-Jewish state; although at 58 percent, that’s an uneasy sort of majority. And this is assuming that if they annex the West Bank, the Israelis would be unwilling and/or unable to just expel all the non-Jews, which I think is a fair assumption.

So Kerry, if not precisely, mathematically right, is not altogether wrong. And his Wednesday speech, although way too long, is actually not bad.

Whether it’s good, bad, or indifferent makes no difference to anything, though.

Nothing makes any difference.

The Israelis will go on building settlements and ignoring the U.N.; Arabs in Gaza and the West Bank will go on harassing Israel with occasional random acts of murder; nations hostile to Israel will go on being too fearful and weak to give any military support to their Palestinian brothers; American Jews will go on using their media pulpits to keep the whole wretched business in the news; Cultural Marxists like Obama, who mentally divide the world into victims and oppressors, will go on seeing the Israelis as oppressors.

And the rest of us will go on wondering why we should give so much attention to a nation which, however sympathetic we may be to it for reasons of civilizational solidarity, is irrelevant to our national interests—and anyway seems well able to take care of itself.

John Derbyshire [email him] writes an incredible amount on all sorts of subjectsfor all kinds of outlets. (This no longer includes National Review, whose editors had some kind of tantrum and fired him. ) He is the author of We Are Doomed: Reclaiming Conservative Pessimism and several other books. He’s had two books published by VDARE.com: FROM THE DISSIDENT RIGHT (also available in Kindle) and From the Dissident Right II: Essays 2013. His writings are archived atJohnDerbyshire.com.

(Republished from VDare by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. One of the reasons Israel attracts our sympathy is that many of the people who hate Israel also hate America and the West.

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    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov

    One of the reasons
     
    Exactly, one of very many others. If to deduct attitudes of American christian Zionists towards Israel, what will be left will be mostly of what Derb describes in his piece--propaganda, coercion, bribes etc. Jews do dominate US MSM--it is a cold hard fact. The role of those MSM in promoting, often unwarranted, pro-Israel attitudes is huge and this is despite the fact that Israeli's interests are often directly detrimental to US national interests. There is another factor of military nature which already exercised a baneful influence on US in general, and its military in particular.
    , @Astuteobservor II
    eh, isn't the reason the whole lot of them hate us and israel because we fuck around in the middle east? why are we fucking around in the middle east anyway? there is nothing to gain for the usa.
    , @jacques sheete

    One of the reasons Israel attracts our sympathy is that many of the people who hate Israel also hate America and the West.
     
    I think it attracts our perversity and gullibility rather that our sympathy.

    Look at the scum we supported in the world wars. Israel was founded by and is largely populated by obnoxious, aggresive NON-Semites from Eastern Europe who were mostly atheists.

    Ya, I know they call themselves Jews and hide under the skirt of Jewish victimhood, but they're largely mafia-like frauds and they discredit true Judaism.

    “ To [my grandfather] Zionism was counterfeit Judaism and the Zionists charlatans. His Orthodox belief held that the re-establishment of Israel was a matter of God in the messianic future. He would have agreed with Yehoshofat Harkabi, a former chief of Israeli military intelligence, who said "The Jews always considered that the land belonged to them, but in fact it belonged to the Arabs. I would go further: I would say the original source of this conflict lies with Israel."

    http://mondoweiss.net/2012/08/my-grandfather-sparked-my-interest-in-debate-over-zionism.html

     

    , @raphee
    Well actually the people who hate America find American support for Israel the main reason for or hating America.
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  2. Sean says:

    The current course of US policy allows US Jews of completely different views to defend Israel, while suffering only bearable cognitive dissonance. Israel has to do something liberal Jews count not countenance for the Israel/ immigration lobby to be split. The crucial fact is the West is not going to be allowed to do anything decisive to prevent a replacement immigration tsunami unless Israel has already done something far more outré.

    And this is assuming that if they annex the West Bank, the Israelis would be unwilling and/or unable to just expel all the non-Jews, which I think is a fair assumption.

    Only if the US continues to defends the lynch-pin of the current new Palestinian state machine ( the existing Palestinian state of Jordan). IfUS does the West Bank Arabs know they just have to sit tight to keep Israel on the peace process skids toward non Jewishness. A war in which sees the toppling what officially calls itself The Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan by Sunni radical would be the only way out for Israel, if the US was willing and able to take the heat for it.

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    • Replies: @Art

    A war in which sees the toppling what officially calls itself The Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan by Sunni radical would be the only way out for Israel, if the US was willing and able to take the heat for it.
     
    First, it is official - Jews are not democrats - the will of the residents of these countries have no say in these matters - the must go along with the bloody Jew agenda - their freedom of choice means nothing to the Jew.

    Second - why would the US expend any more moral capital on Israel?

    "if the US was willing" - the American people are not "willing" - only our quisling government.

    Peace --- Art
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  3. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    interesting video

    watched the first 2 min

    Derbyshire’s a Brit. Didn’t know that.

    Accounts for his ziophilic views on Israel, and the blind spots in his recounting of the sequence of events re dismantling of Ottoman empire.

    but bottom line is,

    Didn’t we boot Brits out of USA a few centuries ago?

    Stay gone, ‘nkay?

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    Didn’t we boot Brits out of USA a few centuries ago?
     
    This 'we' rather misses the point.

    The American Revolutionary war that resulted in US independence from Britain in 1776, was America's first civil war.

    At that time most of the 3.2 million or so white settlers in North America (1790 census) and their descendants, along the settled Eastern part of what is presently the US, were of British stock. Indeed, some 80% were English.

    You can see this to this day in the number of British surnames to be found amongst un-hyphenated Americans. This is reflected in the founding fathers, many of whom were similarly of British extraction, including Benjamin Franklin, George Washington, John Adams, James Madison and Thomas Jefferson.

    This is why Americans, to this day, speak a dialect of English.

    We Brits and you Americans are of the same tribe; John Derbyshire is amongst kin, even if his vowels are somewhat more rounded.

    , @survey-of-disinfo
    "Didn’t we boot Brits out of USA a few centuries ago?"

    That old saw of "we won the revolutionary battles but lost the financial war" comes to mind.

    Wishful thinking. Churchil moved into the WH in WWII and felt comfortable enough to walk around ugly butt naked. (Though the so called royals apparently were apprehensive about their visit to US.)

    American Whig families -- yes, they exist -- took over the so called intelligence apparatus and British propaganda outfits ("the British invasion, yeah yeah yeah...", "007", ...) took over cultural control.

    The United States is scapegoated for the ills of the collective project of the Empire, but we rarely see anyone point a finger at AngloZionist central & the City of London.

    The "special relationship" has to be one of the most successful propaganda efforts of the Stealth Empire's establishment. But not all Brits can keep their feelings regarding the former colony in check. Thus various betrayals and defections to USSR by the public school boy set due to a strong dislike for "the Yanks", which are a matter of historic record.
    , @Colleen Pater
    Uh no, we [well at least my forebears, I dont know how long your family has been here] booted the king and his army out a few centuries ago. Until that point the entire population was British most actually Englishman, and they all stayed behind.
    Derbyshire is not a Brit he's a former brit, and a current American citizen. He's actually a much more worthwhile and productive american than almost all the native born, and has suffered much personal loss for his efforts to defend america.
    And where to you get ziophilic? Let me guess because he didnt begin with a plea to nuke the jew in the jews own land? He essentially said the jews are hypocrite's, but have as much right to a nation on that soil as anyone. Id go farther and say they have 5000 year old written proof of ownership , which is certainly better than any prot in belfast can claim.He also claimed we pay far too much attention and spend too much on a nation of little significance to us strategically.So where do you find the philia?
    Heres the thing you want to save you nation and by extension the white race? Well if you signal the struggle is going to be nazi 2.0 not only will the jews circle the wagons but almost all the whites will as well. There may in deed be a jewish problem, that solution has proven to be the wrong approach. Get the jews on board to make america white again then assimilate the jews so they no longer know they are jews which is a progrom well underway at an elite university near you
    , @SFG
    To be honest, even Pat Buchanan said Brits were preferable to Zulus. If we're gonna have immigrants, they might as well be Brits. They founded the country, after all.
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  4. I was just thinking the other day about how pro-Israel conservatives/Republicans are, and I think it mostly comes down to that civilizational solidarity you mention. They see Israel as a white Western country (whether or not Jews see themselves as white/Western or to what extent they feel reciprocal solidarity). I’m talking about the rank and file here, not politicians who could also be responding to lobbyist pressure.

    Also that Israel has the same (liberal/leftist) enemies: the people saying that Israel stole the land from the Palestinians also say that the U.S., Canada, and Australia stole their land from the Indians/aborigines. We think we have the right to exist and have no plans to give it all back.

    There’s probably also a certain implicit respect for Israel as having a national identity and defending it’s national interests. Israel is the Jewish state, America (historically) is a white Christian country. Israel builds walls, has an immigration policy to keep it Jewish. There’s probably a certain sense of we don’t have a problem with that, we want that too!

    Of course the irony is that it’s Jewish journalists and activists who are the staunchest enemies of America having those kinds of ideas and policies.

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    I was just thinking the other day about how pro-Israel conservatives/Republicans are, and I think it mostly comes down to that civilizational solidarity you mention.
     
    For the religious right, those who believe in Biblical prophecy, it is important that the Jews must be dwelling in Israel for Jesus to return, to say nothing of admonitions to favor Israel ("I will bless those that bless thee and curse those that curse thee...")

    If you are not familiar with this group this may seem silly to you, it is not to them.
    , @Randal

    They see Israel as a white Western country
     
    This is clearly true, though it wasn't a few decades ago.

    The reality is that an incredible amount of money and effort has been going into manufacturing and sustaining that opinion, both by active propaganda and by active suppression of dissent, to ensure that, as Sailer put it recently, opinion influencers cultivate an appropriate "protective ignorance" about any countervailing aspects of Israel and of jewish influence.


    Does it matter, given the (limited) truth at the heart of the view? It probably depends whether you think the costs of the literally stupid foreign policy positions adopted as a result of pro-Israeli influence, and the opportunity costs incurred by the excommunication of the few politicians who have openly questioned the position (eg Pat Buchanan), amount to much. For sure, opinion and policy in the US have been perverted away from their "natural" positions, for good or ill.
    , @Smoke Signals
    What are you talking about? Ever heard of NYT ? Thomas Friedman? Then there's the papist Patrick B. Supposedly pro U.S. but anti Israel and Netanyahu but a leftist nazi and buggering Roman cleric sympatico.

    Derbyshire is right about Israel getting too much press attention. But this is a WORLD WIDE media phenomenon and not only an American one. Are the European and Asian papers riddled with Hebraic journalists also?

    Derbyshire conjures up the Irish - English dispute. But the closer parallel is the India - Pakistan (the other I-P) problem that also hasn't changed over the same period of time he references. And it's much worse than Israel-Palestine - that twin I - P problem born out of post WW II intrigue.

    Certainly one might wonder how much attention the NYT would give to Israel if it was owned by let's say Aditya Berla or Tata Group. Then maybe we would always be hearing about the 10 million plus refugees who lost their homes or over 1 million dead in sectarian violence occasioned by the India - Pakistan partition. Or the four wars fought by India and Pakistan since 1947. Or the occupation and terror and 'line of control' and majority muslim population in Kashmir. Noting that both India and Pakistan are nuclear powers 'for God's sake' certainly the world wide media tends to focus on the mini I - P problem a lot more than on the BIG one.
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  5. Rich says:

    It is interesting that people who mostly came from Central and Eastern Europe have adopted a Middle Eastern country as their homeland because some of the people living there have adopted a similar religion. Kind of proves that those Europeans who felt that Jews were disloyal to the countries in which they they were born, had a point.
    Perhaps Ferdinand and Isabella were right in their actions back in the 15th century.

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    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
    Ferdie and Isabella went WAY too easy on the jews.
    , @biz
    When it comes to hyperventilating about Israel, is there no limit to the number of falsehoods that people will stick into a sentence?

    First of all, the majority of Israeli Jews are descended from Jews who were ethnically cleansed from Arab and Muslim countries, not central and Eastern Europe.

    Secondly, the original Zionist idea was not driven by religious affiliation - most were secular - but rather by the peoplehood of the Jewish people, which has been proven time and again by every shred of genetic, historical, and cultural considerations.
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  6. There is one factor that could cause change that Steve Sailer has identified: the BDS (boycott, divest, sanction) movement in the U.S. It may also exist in Europe but I haven’t heard of it there. I think the reason the U.N. resolution provoked such a reaction is that it provides a basis for BDS efforts; advocates can cite a unanimous U.N. Security Council resolution that Israel is ignoring as justification for their efforts. Israel looks invincible but so did South Africa and it eventually sold out its whites and granted black majority rule, with predictible results. I don’t know how BDS will play out with Israel, but Jews in the U.S. seem quite nervous about it.

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    • Replies: @dearieme
    "It may also exist in Europe but I haven’t heard of it there." All American bad habits spread to Europe. So you just need to decide whether it's a bad habit.
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  7. Svigor says:

    Any fair-minded person must be an Israel sympathizer. A hundred years ago there were Jews and Arabs living in that part of the Ottoman Empire. After the Ottoman collapse, both peoples had a right to set up their own ethnostates. It has been the furiously intransigent Arab denial of this fact, not anything Israelis have done, that has been the root cause of all subsequent troubles.

    Not people who are more instrumental than any other in actively denying the same rights to Europeans. On the contrary, such people don’t get to set up ethnostates anywhere. Not until they come clean. No Justice, No Peace.

    I’m fine with the amount of attention we give Israel, I just think a lot more of it should be negative attention.

    The contradictions and paradoxes here have often been noted. American Jews of all positions want I srael to remain an ethnostate, a Jewish state; yet liberal Jews are horrified at the suggestion that the U.S.A. should likewise maintain a solid monoethnic core.

    Seems any fair-minded person must fold that into their factoring on whether to be an Israel sympathizer. Hard to sympathize with people who call you a Nazi for emulating them.

    All this has been said many times, of course. Pat Buchanan has been saying it for forty years. The sheer tiresomely repetitive quality of talk about Israel in fact deters the thoughtful commentator from writing about it.

    So write a few good paragraphs, and copy-paste.

    and the U.S.A. has been busily replacing its legacy population with Third World immigrants.

    Maybe, after this Ottoman Imperial collapse, peoples have a right to set up their own ethnostates? Or maybe they do, regardless?

    Acting as though some special pleading (Ottoman collapse) justifies the Jewish ethnostate, well, it strikes me as special pleading.

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    Maybe, after this Ottoman Imperial collapse, peoples have a right to set up their own ethnostates? Or maybe they do, regardless?

    If 1.4 billion Han Chinese can have their own ethnostate, I want one too.

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  8. Svigor says:

    One of the reasons Israel attracts our sympathy is that many of the people who hate Israel also hate America and the West.

    One of the reasons Israel attracts very little of my sympathy is that almost of all the prominent people who love Israel hate anyone who wants something like Israel for any European population.

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  9. Keith Vaz says:

    The elite are fixated with issues thatsome (((groups))) are obsessed with but the masses don’t care for.

    How else do you account for the risible effete cuck Tim Farron making accepting more Rhird World refugees his priority in the New Year Message. He even said it was British and Christian. How on earth is making GB darker and more muz that? The guy doesn’t just look like the sort of naive 9 year old choirboy the vicar takes up the vestry…

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  10. Svigor says:

    I was just thinking the other day about how pro-Israel conservatives/Republicans are, and I think it mostly comes down to that civilizational solidarity you mention.

    Nah. It’s Jewish power, with Jewish Big Media power and Jewish financial power getting pride of place.

    Also that Israel has the same (liberal/leftist) enemies: the people saying that Israel stole the land from the Palestinians also say that the U.S., Canada, and Australia stole their land from the Indians/aborigines. We think we have the right to exist and have no plans to give it all back.

    Academia says US stole their land from aborigines. I doubt there’s 1 in Jew in 100 in this disproportionately Jewish field that disagrees. The consensus tends to reverse for the question of Israel and the Palestinians.

    Of course the irony is that it’s Jewish journalists and activists who are the staunchest enemies of America having those kinds of ideas and policies.

    I think there’s more to it than irony.

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    "US stole their land from aborigines." Well of course they did. And those aborigines stole it from earlier aborigines, and so on backwards until not long after the first peopling of the Americas. That's mankind for you.
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  11. 5371 says:

    [A hundred years ago there were Jews and Arabs living in that part of the Ottoman Empire. After the Ottoman collapse, both peoples had a right to set up their own ethnostates.]

    No, the Jews were not nearly sufficiently numerous, contiguous, or long established in the area they demanded to claim that. In any case, the right comparison for them would be Maronites or Copts, not “Arabs”. Only the Jews got a state to dominate by themselves.

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    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    Setting aside that I beg to mildly disagree with your depiction of the area in 1948, you give the impression that you believe in a history of formation of nation-states as the meticulously fair outcomes of an invisible hand at work.
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  12. nsa says:

    A lot of us are tired of the relentlessly self-serving jooie cultists, both domestic and foreign. Murder and pillage as many moronic muzzies as you want….just do it on your own nickel with own crappy little army. Leave the rest of us out of it…….

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  13. dearieme says:
    @Diversity Heretic
    There is one factor that could cause change that Steve Sailer has identified: the BDS (boycott, divest, sanction) movement in the U.S. It may also exist in Europe but I haven't heard of it there. I think the reason the U.N. resolution provoked such a reaction is that it provides a basis for BDS efforts; advocates can cite a unanimous U.N. Security Council resolution that Israel is ignoring as justification for their efforts. Israel looks invincible but so did South Africa and it eventually sold out its whites and granted black majority rule, with predictible results. I don't know how BDS will play out with Israel, but Jews in the U.S. seem quite nervous about it.

    “It may also exist in Europe but I haven’t heard of it there.” All American bad habits spread to Europe. So you just need to decide whether it’s a bad habit.

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    • Replies: @utu
    BDS is stronger inEurope than in the US. In the US there are anti-boycott laws protecting Israel. Some of them already enacted in 1970s. If you were a corporation you would be aware of it. But general public was not told about it for the usual reason to not alert people to the power of Israel and Jewish lobby.

    https://www.law360.com/articles/533003/us-anti-boycott-laws-top-5-things-exporters-should-know
    There is even a special outfit in Dept. of Commerce to protect Israel

    Office of Antiboycott Compliance (OAC)
    https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/enforcement/oac

    "The Bureau is charged with administering and enforcing the Antiboycott Laws under the Export Administration Act. Those laws discourage, and in some circumstances, prohibit U.S. companies from furthering or supporting the boycott of Israel sponsored by the Arab League, and certain other countries, including complying with certain requests for information designed to verify compliance with the boycott. Compliance with such requests may be prohibited by the Export Administration Regulations (EAR) and may be reportable to the Bureau."
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  14. dearieme says:
    @Svigor

    I was just thinking the other day about how pro-Israel conservatives/Republicans are, and I think it mostly comes down to that civilizational solidarity you mention.
     
    Nah. It's Jewish power, with Jewish Big Media power and Jewish financial power getting pride of place.

    Also that Israel has the same (liberal/leftist) enemies: the people saying that Israel stole the land from the Palestinians also say that the U.S., Canada, and Australia stole their land from the Indians/aborigines. We think we have the right to exist and have no plans to give it all back.
     
    Academia says US stole their land from aborigines. I doubt there's 1 in Jew in 100 in this disproportionately Jewish field that disagrees. The consensus tends to reverse for the question of Israel and the Palestinians.

    Of course the irony is that it’s Jewish journalists and activists who are the staunchest enemies of America having those kinds of ideas and policies.
     
    I think there's more to it than irony.

    “US stole their land from aborigines.” Well of course they did. And those aborigines stole it from earlier aborigines, and so on backwards until not long after the first peopling of the Americas. That’s mankind for you.

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    One difference, unique to the conquerors of Palestine, is that on the way out of the lands they left, they destroyed the lands where they had dwelt, repeating a pattern that is an essential element of their sacred scriptures.

    Founders of USA did not destroy Britain as they left, but Jews destroyed Germany, Poland, Russia, Iraq, etc., in part out of sheer viciousness, in part to motivate Jews to leave those places for the longed-for zion.
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  15. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @dearieme
    "US stole their land from aborigines." Well of course they did. And those aborigines stole it from earlier aborigines, and so on backwards until not long after the first peopling of the Americas. That's mankind for you.

    One difference, unique to the conquerors of Palestine, is that on the way out of the lands they left, they destroyed the lands where they had dwelt, repeating a pattern that is an essential element of their sacred scriptures.

    Founders of USA did not destroy Britain as they left, but Jews destroyed Germany, Poland, Russia, Iraq, etc., in part out of sheer viciousness, in part to motivate Jews to leave those places for the longed-for zion.

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  16. @Loveofknowledge
    I was just thinking the other day about how pro-Israel conservatives/Republicans are, and I think it mostly comes down to that civilizational solidarity you mention. They see Israel as a white Western country (whether or not Jews see themselves as white/Western or to what extent they feel reciprocal solidarity). I'm talking about the rank and file here, not politicians who could also be responding to lobbyist pressure.

    Also that Israel has the same (liberal/leftist) enemies: the people saying that Israel stole the land from the Palestinians also say that the U.S., Canada, and Australia stole their land from the Indians/aborigines. We think we have the right to exist and have no plans to give it all back.

    There's probably also a certain implicit respect for Israel as having a national identity and defending it's national interests. Israel is the Jewish state, America (historically) is a white Christian country. Israel builds walls, has an immigration policy to keep it Jewish. There's probably a certain sense of we don't have a problem with that, we want that too!

    Of course the irony is that it's Jewish journalists and activists who are the staunchest enemies of America having those kinds of ideas and policies.

    I was just thinking the other day about how pro-Israel conservatives/Republicans are, and I think it mostly comes down to that civilizational solidarity you mention.

    For the religious right, those who believe in Biblical prophecy, it is important that the Jews must be dwelling in Israel for Jesus to return, to say nothing of admonitions to favor Israel (“I will bless those that bless thee and curse those that curse thee…”)

    If you are not familiar with this group this may seem silly to you, it is not to them.

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  17. The sheer tiresomely repetitive quality of talk about Israel in fact deters the thoughtful commentator from writing about it.

    That and the fact that there is little to be gained and much to be lost, unless one finds gain is being a partisan of one side or the other.

    Any attempt at rational analysis is sure to piss off a lot of people on both sides.

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  18. Israel is waaaaaaay more important to Washington than say Texas where I live. If Bibi says the sky is blue he gets a long standing ovation from the American Congress. You are a curious and intelligent fellow Derb. Why is the Zionist Entity so absurdly important to Imperial Washington?

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    "You are a curious and intelligent fellow Derb. Why is the Zionist Entity so absurdly important to Imperial Washington?"

    His intelligence tells him when to curtail curiosity.
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  19. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Pat Buchanan is indeed a true American patriot who has tirelessly written about the damage Israel has done to the USA. John Derbyshire goes where the wind is blowing. Always self-serving.

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    Self-serving?! The cowardly "Anon" isn't even right. If you Anon can't be bothered to read what JD has written inbooks and articles over more than 20 years at least consider how he got sacked from National Review.
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  20. Svigor says:

    For the religious right, those who believe in Biblical prophecy, it is important that the Jews must be dwelling in Israel for Jesus to return, to say nothing of admonitions to favor Israel (“I will bless those that bless thee and curse those that curse thee…”)

    If you are not familiar with this group this may seem silly to you, it is not to them.

    They’re blatant heretics. Noahide goys. They’re so cucked, they wrote it into their religion. Genuine Christians should call them out every chance they get, but genuine Christians are kinda rare these days.

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    What percentage of alt-righters would you say could honestly subscribe to the Athanasian Creed? What percentage of Christian Zionists could?

    I believe your incarnate god and saviour said something about motes and beams.
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  21. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website
    @The Grate Deign
    One of the reasons Israel attracts our sympathy is that many of the people who hate Israel also hate America and the West.

    One of the reasons

    Exactly, one of very many others. If to deduct attitudes of American christian Zionists towards Israel, what will be left will be mostly of what Derb describes in his piece–propaganda, coercion, bribes etc. Jews do dominate US MSM–it is a cold hard fact. The role of those MSM in promoting, often unwarranted, pro-Israel attitudes is huge and this is despite the fact that Israeli’s interests are often directly detrimental to US national interests. There is another factor of military nature which already exercised a baneful influence on US in general, and its military in particular.

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    This was a hopelessly unoriginal and uninspiring essay. Not Derb’s first I might add. Please compare this article with his previous screed about “Murdering Muslims”.

    Yes, Mr. Derbyshire does give voice to those of us who wish to protect our civilization from debasement-via-immigration, but his omissions do damage, too.

    Surely Derb must understand that the wave of ‘murderous Muslims’ into Europe (and N. America) is a by-product of Zio-Washington’s murderous onslaught. Does he not?

    So why then does he consistently fail to examine this crucial fact in any depth?

    Years of aggressive, Zionist-friendly interventions in the Muslim world have dislocated millions of hapless souls. They’re here because we’re there. And it’s we who started dropping bombs first. That fact is vital to remember. It identifies the cause as well as the initial wrongdoer. What’s worse, this process is still underway.

    Thus, the story about unwanted Muslim refugees into the West in no way parallels the conundrum involving waves of (economic) refugees pouring into America from the Mexico.

    Please devote some time to making this distinction in a future article, Derb.

    And why, Mr. Derbyshire, are we waging serial warfare in the Middle East in the first place?

    Please don’t dish up that ‘war for oil’ canard. That yarn has been a myth from the start. Even today, pro-Israel policies being imposed by Washington to keep Iranian oil off the global market. But why? This hurts consumers. The goal is to cause injury to Iran and to weaken Iran. This is an Israeli objective. And it keeps happening.

    Zionized Washington did the the same to Saddam Hussein (preventing him from selling oil) before we finally bombed Iraq into oblivion. It never ends. And few speak out. Indeed, Zionist concerns generally trump domestic interests in Official Washington. Amazing, but true. These ‘values’ have cost countless US jobs, not to mention lives. Right now, Boeing is about to lose a huge export deal with Iran due to crypto-Israeli meddling. This is not unusual. Israel’s preeminence over mere domestic interests is a permanent part of Washington. It’s been this way for decades.

    When Nixon/Kissinger, for instance, saved Israel’s ass during the Yom Kippur war, it precipitated the infamous 1973 Arab oil embargo. Economic fallout was vast, deep, and long-lasting. Incredibly, most Americans remain completely unaware of these facts.

    Pro-Zionist, US-conducted wars have pushed millions Iraqis, Syrians, Libyans and Palestinians out of their homelands and into the ‘de-racialized’ West. Unnecessary Anglo-Zionist aggression has given life and legitimacy to rising Muslim outrage. This is a real and worsening security issue. All Americans are affected. And it can be tied to Israel’s hold on Washington. Yet Derb consistently fails address this matter or connect any dots. Why?

    Does Mr. Derbyshire suffer from avoidance anxiety? It sure looks that way.

    John Derbyshire–while contributing mightily to the otherwise empty ‘national discussion on race’–is clearly too timid to forthrightly examine the harmful impact that decades of Zionist activism has had on immigration and other urgent matters, including the decline of white living standards.

    This should interest any honest immigration restrictionist. But not Derb.

    And who/what’s behind the ongoing taboos that target white racial cohesion and identity?
    Any idea, Derb? It’s not just the Leftwing ‘social justice warriors’.

    As for Muslim immigration, Zio-Washington’s needless annihilation of Iraq, Libya, Syria and Palestine has produced this wave of these refugees. Why not explore this phenomena closely and honestly?

    Derb’s oversights are not a minor detail. They fit a pattern. Incredibly, Derb cites Israel as a shining example of what America should do about uninvited immigrants–yet never examines the key role that Zionist militarism and Zio-liberal ‘anti-racist’ activism has had on the white Western world.

    Derb’s omissions are no aberration. I recall his negative review of MacDonald’s seminal ‘Culture of Critique’ in American Conservative Magazine nearly 15 years ago.

    Derb therefore has a pretty good inkling about who’s in mostly-in-charge and who’s overwhelmingly responsible for America’s preemptive wars, the lax immigration policies into the West (as opposed to Israel), and the subversive, demographic transformation of the Western world.

    But he dares not speak its name.

    Why not say it out loud, Derb?

    Why?

    Derb is scared.

    He’s rolled-over on this subject previously and he’s still looking the other way. It’s an embarrassing pattern. And now Derb is pretending–yet again–that Israel’s artificial centrality in American life is not particularly important and ultimately unrelated to the West’s destructive trajectory.

    Derb’s blithe attitude is foolish, disingenuous and craven.

    Like the tenured members of that long and boring list of safe and acceptable pundits who we see on TV and read in America’s few surviving newspapers, Derb is terrified of being labeled an ‘anti-Semite’. So he’s taken a middle course.

    It could be worse, sure. But it certainly could be better.

    We’ve got plenty of Muslim-bashers already, Derb. And most anyone who has lived among blacks understands their numerous inadequacies.

    When will Derb step up to the plate, take a risk, and make a bold contribution?

    Until he and others take that step, countless Americans will believe that all it takes is another Mideast war to solve our security problems. But that avenue is a dead end. We’ve done enough needless damage there already. Let’s set our course right by solving our problems here and respecting other nation’s borders, just as we insist they do the same.

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    Amen brother.......
    , @geokat62

    Please don’t dish up that ‘war for oil’ canard. That yarn has been a myth from the start.
     
    Hey, Mark. Excellent comment, as usual.

    btw - I just finished viewing George Galloway's The Killings of Tony Blair. When the film finally got down to asking the all important question of why - why did the US/UK invade Iraq - guess who they hauled out to furnish the answer? Nope, not Profs. Mearsheimer and Walt.. they unbelievably profiled instead Prof. Noam Chomsky. The irony of this simply cannot be overstated. If you recall, at the height of the ziocons' success immediately after launching the Iraq invasion, they formed a special senate investigation into the UN'S Oil for Food program and accused George Galloway of receiving kickbacks from Saddam Hussein through this program. The senate investigation was presided over by two senators, Norm Coleman R-MN and Carl Levin D-MI. I admired Galloway's performance at the time because he had the courage to tell them "the invasion of Iraq was based on a pack of lies."

    But for some reason, he seems to have forgotten this when he decided to profile the closet Zionist's "dog wags tail" hypothesis. What a disgrace.

    , @Joe Franklin

    the lax immigration policies into the West (as opposed to Israel)
     
    US has the same functional immigration policy as Israel, namely pro-victim cult, anti-white straight Christian male.

    US has open borders exclusively for entitled victim cultists, and Israel has open borders exclusively for entitled Jewish victim cultists.

    The American-Israeli victim cult is obsessed with demonizing all white straight Christian males as potential Nazi oppressors or Nazi sympathizers.

    Jews are still waging WW2, including inside the US and Israel.

    It's fairly obvious Jews have concocted a profile of a Nazi, a profile that they use to incite government discrimination :

    white-gentile-Christian-straight-gringo-healthy-independent-militia-occidental-male



    The similarities between the US and Israel are striking:

    1. US-Israel both are national democracies with no effective constitutional limits on their national government law making power.

    2. US-Israel are dominated by an organized, super-majority of voters who self-identify as a victim cult, forever oppressed by Nazi. This victim cult is recognized by the central government as a bunch of entitled protected classes. This victim cult promotes itself as being anti-Nazi.

    3. US-Israel define a Nazi profile as being white-gentile-Christian-straight-gringo-healthy-independent-militia-occidental-male

    4. US-Israel have 2-party systems that dominate national politics

    5. US Republicans = conservative Judaism = Israeli Likud Party

    6. US Democrats = secular Judaism = Israeli Labor Party

    7. US-Israel have a super-majority of protected victim class voters, special people that demand and receive thousands of class based government entitlements by law in exchange for their votes.

    8. US-Israel are fascist and aggressive proponents of the American-Israeli protected victim class supremacy scheme in the world

    9. US-Israel coordinate their attacks and sabotage of Israeli enemies in the middle east

    10. US-Israel coordinate their black operations

    11. US-Israel share military technology and intelligence

    12. US-Israel are international pariah states for the same reasons

    13. US-Israel have biased immigration policy in favor of victim cult people.

    14. US-Israel cover for each others transgressions in the UN

    15. US-Israel military and foreign aid agreements are heavily biased toward Israeli enrichment

    16. US-Israel relationship is such that Israel can attack the US Navy, and be rewarded for doing so (USS Liberty)

    17. The American-Israeli protected victim class entitlement scheme:

    Women are entitled because of Male oppression
    Jewish are entitled because of Gentile oppression
    Queers are entitled because of Straight oppression
    Muslims are entitled because of Christian oppression
    Disabled are entitled because of Healthy oppression
    Afro-blacks are entitled because of White oppression
    Latinos are entitled because of Gringo oppression
    Hispanics are entitled because of Gringo oppression
    Military Veteran are entitled because of Militia oppression
    2-party System Dependents are entitled because of Independent oppression
    Aboriginals are entitled because of Paleface oppression
    Asians are entitled because of Occidental oppression
    National Socialist are entitled because of local-state Government oppression
    Crony Capitalist are entitled because of honest Businessmen oppression
    Zionist are entitled because of anti-Fascist oppression
    , @lavoisier
    Very well written article. I have been puzzled by Derb's inability to tackle in a direct manner the pernicious influence that the Jews have had on Western Civilization. I am not sure it is due to cowardice, although that may be a reasonable proposition given that any hint of anti-semitism can be career ending in his line of work. I think he is genuinely on the fence. He can see the damage that has been caused by Jewish persons controlling so many of our once trusted institutions, but I suspect he also recognizes their outsized intellectual contributions and is a genuine admirer of the Jewish people.

    I must confess that I am a little on the fence on this issue as well. My own feeling is that Jewish contributions have significantly outweighed their destuctive tendencies in Western nations so long as the Jews don't get too much control over these societies. Once they gain too much control, they really fuck up these civilizations big time primarily because of their genuine anti-gentilism, which is at least as virulent a force as is anti-semitism. This eventually harms them too as a once stable and prosperous nation is destroyed by these destructive impulses. This is unfortunately the state that we are now in today, and it could well lead to a nuclear war if their control remains unchallenged. I think must readers on this site recognize that the hostility towards Putin is driven by their current overwhelming control of our society.

    But ultimately it is shameful for the goyim to have allowed their societies to be hijacked in the first place, and we are ultimately responsible for the current state we are in. Thank people like the Bush clan, McCain, Romney, Ryan, Blair and countless others for their treason and betrayal of their own people.

    In summary, it is neither good for us or for the Jews that they now exert overwhelming control over our civilization. This IS perhaps the most critically important issue facing Western Civilization today, and Derb, as one of our leading intellectuals, is going to eventually have to face this issue with more honesty if he is to be in the vanguard of our thought leaders.
    , @Pandos
    Terrific comment.
    , @survey-of-disinfo
    Well said.
    , @utu
    Great comment!
    , @Beefcake the Mighty
    Just now seeing this comment, and it's great, 100% agreement. Derb really is useless. The great things he writes on race are more than reversed by his willing blindness on the Zionist/Jewish issue.
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  23. Amen! Brother Svigor. To be charitable, Christian Zionists are misled. We humans, of course, can believe anything we want to believe. It’s the politicians who pander to Christian Zionists that really really suck. In any case, Zionism is an ideology and must be grafted onto any religion including Judaism.

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    Wiki is your friend.

    Christian advocacy of the restoration of the Jews on their land was first heard following the Protestant reformation, particularly in the English-speaking world among the Puritans. It was common practice among Puritans to anticipate and frequently pray for a Jewish return to their homeland.[10] John Owen, a prominent 17th century English Covenant theologian, for example, wrote: "Moreover, it is granted that there shall be a time and season, during the continuance of the kingdom of the Messiah in this world, wherein the generality of the nation of the Jews, all the world over, shall be called and effectually brought unto the knowledge of the Messiah, our Lord Jesus Christ; with which mercy they shall also receive deliverance from their captivity, restoration unto their own land, with a blessed, flourishing, and happy condition therein."[11] John Gill took a similar position.[12]
    Samuel Rutherford, a seventeenth-century Scottish theologian, expressed the ardent spirit of prayer of many of his contemporaries: "O to see the sight, next to Christ's coming in the clouds the most joyful! Our elder brethren the Jews and Christ fall upon each other's necks and kiss each other! They have long been assunder, they will be kind to one another when they meet. O day! O longed-for and lovely day-dawn!"[13]
    In 1762, Charles Wesley wrote:[14]
    O that the chosen band
    Might now their brethren bring,
    And gather'd out of every land
    Present to Sion's King;
    Of all the ancient race
    Not one be left behind,
    But each impell'd by secret grace
    His way to Canaan find!
    Christian support for Jewish restoration was brought to America by the Puritans who fled England. In colonial times, Increase Mather and John Cotton, among many others, favored Jewish restoration.[10] Later Jonathan Edwards also anticipated a future return of Jews to their homeland.[15] However it was not until the early 19th century that the idea gathered political impetus.
    Ezra Stiles at Yale was a prominent supporter of Jewish restoration. In 1808, Asa McFarland, a Presbyterian, voiced the opinion of many that the fall of the Ottoman Empire was imminent and would bring about Jewish restoration.
     
    An integral part of the Protestant faith since inception does not qualify as "misled."
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  24. @The Grate Deign
    One of the reasons Israel attracts our sympathy is that many of the people who hate Israel also hate America and the West.

    eh, isn’t the reason the whole lot of them hate us and israel because we fuck around in the middle east? why are we fucking around in the middle east anyway? there is nothing to gain for the usa.

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    Probably because many Americans feel some sense that part of the thread of western civilization, such as it is, started in the Middle East about two thousand years ago. And they feel less connection to the rival Abrahamic faith that came roaring out of the Arabian peninsula around 1300 years ago.
    , @Karl
    > isn’t the reason the whole lot of them hate us and israel because we fuck around in the middle east?


    before you European nationalities EXISTED, the Muslims were massacring people eastward along the equator, and calling it a religious obligation.

    Islam reached Southwest & Central Mindanao in the late (AD) 1300's.... then ran into the Pacific Ocean, which finally stopped it.
    , @Johann Ricke

    eh, isn’t the reason the whole lot of them hate us and israel because we fuck around in the middle east? why are we fucking around in the middle east anyway? there is nothing to gain for the usa.
     
    Long before the advent of modern Israel:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_conquest_of_Afghanistan
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamicisation_and_Turkicisation_of_Xinjiang
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests_of_the_Indian_subcontinent
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_the_Maghreb
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_Transoxiana
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_Egypt
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_the_Levant
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_Persia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tours
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_Constantinople
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vienna

    We're involved in the Middle East for the same reason we were involved in Asia, Africa and Europe during WWII - to prevent potential adversaries from building an empire so big we cannot resist them if/when they turn their attention to us. What we do is standard operating procedure for just about every great power in history. Now - some people say that this did not prevent other empires from collapsing. While that's true, the small powers that stood aside tended to end up being conquered - either submitting peacefully or resisting and suffering significant bloodshed. Name one neutral power that hasn't been annexed over thousands of years. Even Switzerland was overrun by Napoleon. The only reason it wasn't overrun more recently is because Hitler lost.

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  25. iffen says:
    @WorkingClass
    Amen! Brother Svigor. To be charitable, Christian Zionists are misled. We humans, of course, can believe anything we want to believe. It's the politicians who pander to Christian Zionists that really really suck. In any case, Zionism is an ideology and must be grafted onto any religion including Judaism.

    Wiki is your friend.

    Christian advocacy of the restoration of the Jews on their land was first heard following the Protestant reformation, particularly in the English-speaking world among the Puritans. It was common practice among Puritans to anticipate and frequently pray for a Jewish return to their homeland.[10] John Owen, a prominent 17th century English Covenant theologian, for example, wrote: “Moreover, it is granted that there shall be a time and season, during the continuance of the kingdom of the Messiah in this world, wherein the generality of the nation of the Jews, all the world over, shall be called and effectually brought unto the knowledge of the Messiah, our Lord Jesus Christ; with which mercy they shall also receive deliverance from their captivity, restoration unto their own land, with a blessed, flourishing, and happy condition therein.”[11] John Gill took a similar position.[12]
    Samuel Rutherford, a seventeenth-century Scottish theologian, expressed the ardent spirit of prayer of many of his contemporaries: “O to see the sight, next to Christ’s coming in the clouds the most joyful! Our elder brethren the Jews and Christ fall upon each other’s necks and kiss each other! They have long been assunder, they will be kind to one another when they meet. O day! O longed-for and lovely day-dawn!”[13]
    In 1762, Charles Wesley wrote:[14]
    O that the chosen band
    Might now their brethren bring,
    And gather’d out of every land
    Present to Sion’s King;
    Of all the ancient race
    Not one be left behind,
    But each impell’d by secret grace
    His way to Canaan find!
    Christian support for Jewish restoration was brought to America by the Puritans who fled England. In colonial times, Increase Mather and John Cotton, among many others, favored Jewish restoration.[10] Later Jonathan Edwards also anticipated a future return of Jews to their homeland.[15] However it was not until the early 19th century that the idea gathered political impetus.
    Ezra Stiles at Yale was a prominent supporter of Jewish restoration. In 1808, Asa McFarland, a Presbyterian, voiced the opinion of many that the fall of the Ottoman Empire was imminent and would bring about Jewish restoration.

    An integral part of the Protestant faith since inception does not qualify as “misled.”

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    An integral part of the Protestant faith since inception does not qualify as “misled.”
     
    Believing that the state of Israel established in 1948 has anything to do with Biblical prophecy, or that Biblical prophecy should in any way guide policy on it, has always been very much a minority view as far as Christian thinking globally is concerned, though a disturbingly influential one in US elite circles at times. Even amongst Protestant Christians it is a fringe view generally regarded as the province of zealots and "nutters", outside a few "dispensationalist" churches historically big in the US but not much elsewhere.

    It was the socialists building a new collectivist utopia who were probably the biggest contributors to the establishment and early success of Israel as a European settler colonial state.
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  26. Anonym says:
    @Svigor

    Any fair-minded person must be an Israel sympathizer. A hundred years ago there were Jews and Arabs living in that part of the Ottoman Empire. After the Ottoman collapse, both peoples had a right to set up their own ethnostates. It has been the furiously intransigent Arab denial of this fact, not anything Israelis have done, that has been the root cause of all subsequent troubles.
     
    Not people who are more instrumental than any other in actively denying the same rights to Europeans. On the contrary, such people don't get to set up ethnostates anywhere. Not until they come clean. No Justice, No Peace.

    I'm fine with the amount of attention we give Israel, I just think a lot more of it should be negative attention.

    The contradictions and paradoxes here have often been noted. American Jews of all positions want I srael to remain an ethnostate, a Jewish state; yet liberal Jews are horrified at the suggestion that the U.S.A. should likewise maintain a solid monoethnic core.
     
    Seems any fair-minded person must fold that into their factoring on whether to be an Israel sympathizer. Hard to sympathize with people who call you a Nazi for emulating them.

    All this has been said many times, of course. Pat Buchanan has been saying it for forty years. The sheer tiresomely repetitive quality of talk about Israel in fact deters the thoughtful commentator from writing about it.
     
    So write a few good paragraphs, and copy-paste.

    and the U.S.A. has been busily replacing its legacy population with Third World immigrants.
     
    Maybe, after this Ottoman Imperial collapse, peoples have a right to set up their own ethnostates? Or maybe they do, regardless?

    Acting as though some special pleading (Ottoman collapse) justifies the Jewish ethnostate, well, it strikes me as special pleading.

    Maybe, after this Ottoman Imperial collapse, peoples have a right to set up their own ethnostates? Or maybe they do, regardless?

    If 1.4 billion Han Chinese can have their own ethnostate, I want one too.

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  27. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    It’s like this.

    Suppose a rich powerful guy hires you to walk his dog.

    The dog may not matter to you. The dog on its own isn’t all that powerful.

    But it matters A LOT to the rich owner.

    So, you better take damn good care of it cuz the rich guy can destroy you.

    The issue isn’t Israel per se. The issue is Israel means a lot to the rulers of America.

    Israel is like Bugs in APES OF WRATH.

    Because mama gorilla loves him, papa gorilla must too… even though he would like to get rid of it.

    Jewish Power in America is the 800 lb Mama Gorilla.

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  28. LarryS says:

    When will Israel define its border? Is it Genesis 15:18 from the river in Egypt to the Euphrates river in Iraq? Didn’t God make His covenant conditional on the obedience of Abraham’s offspring? Deuteronomy 28. Does the modern, secular state called Israel have a living prophet telling the Jews to take the land away from the people living there? The 10 tribes of the Kingdom of Israel were conquered and assimilated in 722 BC leaving the southern Kingdom of Judah (and the tribe of Benjamin). They were conquered in 586 BC. Later Judeans (Jews) returned to Judea. The land today should rightfully be called Judea, not Israel, and of course Jews should be allowed to live there. But I disagree that it should be a solely Jewish state. Also, I do not believe that the modern, secular state called Israel has anything to do with the Second Coming of Christ. Modern Israel was created by the UN in 1948 and is not the Israel of the Bible. Read “What Price Israel?” (1953) by Jewish-American Alfred Lilienthal.

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    > Modern Israel was created by the UN in 1948

    and here I was, thinking that the State of Israel got created by those who are now sleeping in its military cemeteries

    If the Palestinians didn't want that to happen, they should have spoke up when the die was truly cast..... when a school-textbook in mathematics in Hebrew was published in the AD 1750's.
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  29. Max Payne says:

    To judge from my email bag and donation logs, I have a surprising number of readers in Israel. I say “surprising” because I hardly ever say anything about Israel or her affairs, and don’t actually know much about the place.

    You ever ask yourself why?

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  30. Gabriel M says:
    @Svigor

    For the religious right, those who believe in Biblical prophecy, it is important that the Jews must be dwelling in Israel for Jesus to return, to say nothing of admonitions to favor Israel (“I will bless those that bless thee and curse those that curse thee…”)

    If you are not familiar with this group this may seem silly to you, it is not to them.
     
    They're blatant heretics. Noahide goys. They're so cucked, they wrote it into their religion. Genuine Christians should call them out every chance they get, but genuine Christians are kinda rare these days.

    What percentage of alt-righters would you say could honestly subscribe to the Athanasian Creed? What percentage of Christian Zionists could?

    I believe your incarnate god and saviour said something about motes and beams.

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  31. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Stop complicating things. Israel is an ally in the fight against radical islam, which is the only real fight that matters. Chinese people aren’t going to invade your countries and replace your civilization with theirs, but muslims will do those things.

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    "Stop complicating things."

    Yeah, we should all just believe what we're supposed to believe.

    "Israel is an ally in the fight against radical islam,...."

    Really? What have they done to help us? The one concrete thing that Trump has proposed that would actually defend America against radical islam was condemned by Prime Minister Netanyahu:

    Trump’s Muslim Comments Draw Rebuke From Netanyahu

    What exactly does the United States gain from its alliance with Israel?

    "Chinese people aren’t going to invade your countries and replace your civilization with theirs, but muslims will do those things."

    And who in the United States is most publicly opposed to any attempt to reduce or stop immigration - the same immigration that is permitting muslims to invade our country and try to replace our civilization with theirs? Who created and pushes the "Nation of Immigrants" line?

    , @Randal

    Stop complicating things. Israel is an ally in the fight against radical islam, which is the only real fight that matters.
     
    Is it? Really?

    Israeli Intel Chief: We Don’t Want ISIS Defeated in Syria

    Is it in the interests of those running Israel for the states surrounding them to be run by reasonably stable secular dictatorships amenable to reasonable bullying and bribery, or by chaotic sunni nutters who will continually attack US interests and ensure continued US subsidies for Israel?

    Reason suggests that Major General Herzi Halevy's position is the true one of the Israeli regime and its supporters. And given that we know Israeli lobbyists strongly pushed the destruction of Iraq (which directly gave rise to the first creation of a substantial jihadist state in the heart of the ME), and "went all out" to push for a similar destruction of the Syrian government in 2013 which would undoubtedly have had similar results, it appears there's strong practical evidence for that being the case, as well.
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  32. […] equal than others. But we know is that the alternative offered by our liberal friends is rubbish. They insist on “mentally divid[ing] the world into victims and oppressors,” and they do it for a […]

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  33. Why do Arabs and/or Muslims care more about Israel than, for instance, the Chinese oppression of Uyghur Muslims (recently evidenced by the Chinese state demolishing 5000 mosques within a span of a few months)?

    Because to the Islamic mind, control of Jerusalem is what matters. Muslims being slaughtered in Xinjiang or Chechnya or Myanmar is an irrelevance.

    This is a central fact that many pro-Israel and anti-Israel commentators fail to grasp or admit.

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    Why do Arabs and/or Muslims care more about Israel than, for instance, the Chinese oppression of Uyghur Muslims (recently evidenced by the Chinese state demolishing 5000 mosques within a span of a few months)?

    Because to the Islamic mind, control of Jerusalem is what matters.

    What do have to back this?

    I have never read a good explanation as to why they attacked Israel in 1948. I always just assumed it was because they were devout Jew-haters.
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  34. Randal says:
    @Loveofknowledge
    I was just thinking the other day about how pro-Israel conservatives/Republicans are, and I think it mostly comes down to that civilizational solidarity you mention. They see Israel as a white Western country (whether or not Jews see themselves as white/Western or to what extent they feel reciprocal solidarity). I'm talking about the rank and file here, not politicians who could also be responding to lobbyist pressure.

    Also that Israel has the same (liberal/leftist) enemies: the people saying that Israel stole the land from the Palestinians also say that the U.S., Canada, and Australia stole their land from the Indians/aborigines. We think we have the right to exist and have no plans to give it all back.

    There's probably also a certain implicit respect for Israel as having a national identity and defending it's national interests. Israel is the Jewish state, America (historically) is a white Christian country. Israel builds walls, has an immigration policy to keep it Jewish. There's probably a certain sense of we don't have a problem with that, we want that too!

    Of course the irony is that it's Jewish journalists and activists who are the staunchest enemies of America having those kinds of ideas and policies.

    They see Israel as a white Western country

    This is clearly true, though it wasn’t a few decades ago.

    The reality is that an incredible amount of money and effort has been going into manufacturing and sustaining that opinion, both by active propaganda and by active suppression of dissent, to ensure that, as Sailer put it recently, opinion influencers cultivate an appropriate “protective ignorance” about any countervailing aspects of Israel and of jewish influence.

    Does it matter, given the (limited) truth at the heart of the view? It probably depends whether you think the costs of the literally stupid foreign policy positions adopted as a result of pro-Israeli influence, and the opportunity costs incurred by the excommunication of the few politicians who have openly questioned the position (eg Pat Buchanan), amount to much. For sure, opinion and policy in the US have been perverted away from their “natural” positions, for good or ill.

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  36. Randal says:
    @iffen
    Wiki is your friend.

    Christian advocacy of the restoration of the Jews on their land was first heard following the Protestant reformation, particularly in the English-speaking world among the Puritans. It was common practice among Puritans to anticipate and frequently pray for a Jewish return to their homeland.[10] John Owen, a prominent 17th century English Covenant theologian, for example, wrote: "Moreover, it is granted that there shall be a time and season, during the continuance of the kingdom of the Messiah in this world, wherein the generality of the nation of the Jews, all the world over, shall be called and effectually brought unto the knowledge of the Messiah, our Lord Jesus Christ; with which mercy they shall also receive deliverance from their captivity, restoration unto their own land, with a blessed, flourishing, and happy condition therein."[11] John Gill took a similar position.[12]
    Samuel Rutherford, a seventeenth-century Scottish theologian, expressed the ardent spirit of prayer of many of his contemporaries: "O to see the sight, next to Christ's coming in the clouds the most joyful! Our elder brethren the Jews and Christ fall upon each other's necks and kiss each other! They have long been assunder, they will be kind to one another when they meet. O day! O longed-for and lovely day-dawn!"[13]
    In 1762, Charles Wesley wrote:[14]
    O that the chosen band
    Might now their brethren bring,
    And gather'd out of every land
    Present to Sion's King;
    Of all the ancient race
    Not one be left behind,
    But each impell'd by secret grace
    His way to Canaan find!
    Christian support for Jewish restoration was brought to America by the Puritans who fled England. In colonial times, Increase Mather and John Cotton, among many others, favored Jewish restoration.[10] Later Jonathan Edwards also anticipated a future return of Jews to their homeland.[15] However it was not until the early 19th century that the idea gathered political impetus.
    Ezra Stiles at Yale was a prominent supporter of Jewish restoration. In 1808, Asa McFarland, a Presbyterian, voiced the opinion of many that the fall of the Ottoman Empire was imminent and would bring about Jewish restoration.
     
    An integral part of the Protestant faith since inception does not qualify as "misled."

    An integral part of the Protestant faith since inception does not qualify as “misled.”

    Believing that the state of Israel established in 1948 has anything to do with Biblical prophecy, or that Biblical prophecy should in any way guide policy on it, has always been very much a minority view as far as Christian thinking globally is concerned, though a disturbingly influential one in US elite circles at times. Even amongst Protestant Christians it is a fringe view generally regarded as the province of zealots and “nutters”, outside a few “dispensationalist” churches historically big in the US but not much elsewhere.

    It was the socialists building a new collectivist utopia who were probably the biggest contributors to the establishment and early success of Israel as a European settler colonial state.

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    a fringe view generally regarded as the province of zealots and “nutters”,

    extremist Protestant (“Zionist”) Christians

     

    Those nutters just elected a US President. Those nutters preserved a bit of sanity in NC last week, and those nutters will likely enact legislation in Texas in the coming weeks that will prevent a sexually deviant mental illness from being installed and enshrined as the latest golden calf.

    See you at the new embassy in Jerusalem.
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  37. Randal says:

    Aside from being a well-wisher of Israel in sentiment, though, I agree with Steve Sailer that we pay much more attention to the place that our national interest justifies, for reasons to do with the over-representation of Jewish Americans in the Main Stream Media and the wealthy-donor classes.

    This position, of course, rather ignores the catastrophic costs that policies pushed by pro-Israeli groups (not just jews but also extremist Protestant (“Zionist”) Christians, as well as those groups in for instance the military-industrial sector simply fastening onto pro-Israeli policies for their own ulterior motives) have imposed upon the US (and on those of its satellite states foolish or propagandised enough to go along with them).

    In particular, the manipulation of the US and UK into attacking Iraq in 2003 makes no sense without accounting for the role of pro-Israeli groups in pushing for it, in Israel’s supposed interests. There are many other examples, and big oil also has complicated matters by playing its own role in influencing policy, but that is the really big recent one. It’s possible US interference in the ME would have occurred to a similar extent driven just by oil even without Israel’s existence, but it’s not very plausible. Certainly the invasion of Iraq would not have happened without Israel’s existence and policies inflaming muslim opinion against the US, and driving US policy in directions desired by Israeli nationalist partisans.

    And of course, the need to suppress dissenting opinion on Israel plays a very large part in the current elite support for the drive to impose speech-crime laws on US sphere countries (and ultimately upon the US, once the First Amendment can be bypassed) – a major menace (perhaps the most significant currently active one) to our political liberty. Much of what Debyshire has written above, cautious though it is, could easily be interpreted as coming within the “official definition of anti-Semitism” recently extended to the UK thanks to political pandering at the highest levels, leaving him open to the possibility at least of prosecution for inciting hatred once the norms and expectations in the media and in the judicial and prosecutorial professions have been properly established by a few useful precedents.

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  38. Amasius says:

    It’s just a psychological attachment. Israel would mean absolutely nothing to White people if it weren’t for our maladaptive jewish religion we came to adopt for reasons I’m still studying and trying to wrap my head around. Why couldn’t it have been Mithraism! Or any redeemer cult that didn’t have a bloody jew at the center of it! S***!

    There are actual Aryan religions we could have gone with– Zoroastrianism, Buddhism, Manichaeism– but we went and swallowed a timebomb.

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  39. unit472 says:

    If the Ottoman Empire had been a conventional ‘empire’ I suppose it could have fragmented into ethno-states like the Austro-Hungarian Empire or, more recently, the USSR. In fact, it sort of did. The Christians had a statelet in Lebanon while the Jews resurrected their statelet as Israel. The problem is Islam.

    The Islamic ‘ummah’ just does not accept the nation state as the primary political unit. They are not alone either for Jews have also adopted a transnational political identity. It would be as if The Church of England had asserted its primacy over the remains of the British Empire and Canterbury had the same standing as Mecca or Jerusalem in Australia, Canada and the US.

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    It would be as if The Five Eyes JUST HAPPENED BY COINCIDENCE to be Anglo-speaking countries.

    fixed it for you!
    , @Skeptikal
    "The Christians had a statelet in Lebanon while the Jews resurrected their statelet as Israel. The problem is Islam. "

    No, the problem is not Islam, at least it wasn't at the time.

    Ever heard of Arab nationalism?
    Lawrence of Arabia, etc.?
    The Brits and French but especially the Brits betrayed the Arabs and the aspirations of Arab nationalists on all fronts.
    Including Palestine. And also betrayed the Maronites in what became Lebanon.
    Lebanon did not end up being majority Christian.
    The memory hole is getting ever deeper and broader.
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  40. hhsiii says:
    @Astuteobservor II
    eh, isn't the reason the whole lot of them hate us and israel because we fuck around in the middle east? why are we fucking around in the middle east anyway? there is nothing to gain for the usa.

    Probably because many Americans feel some sense that part of the thread of western civilization, such as it is, started in the Middle East about two thousand years ago. And they feel less connection to the rival Abrahamic faith that came roaring out of the Arabian peninsula around 1300 years ago.

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  41. NickG says:
    @Anonymous
    interesting video

    watched the first 2 min

    Derbyshire's a Brit. Didn't know that.

    Accounts for his ziophilic views on Israel, and the blind spots in his recounting of the sequence of events re dismantling of Ottoman empire.

    but bottom line is,

    Didn't we boot Brits out of USA a few centuries ago?

    Stay gone, 'nkay?

    Didn’t we boot Brits out of USA a few centuries ago?

    This ‘we’ rather misses the point.

    The American Revolutionary war that resulted in US independence from Britain in 1776, was America’s first civil war.

    At that time most of the 3.2 million or so white settlers in North America (1790 census) and their descendants, along the settled Eastern part of what is presently the US, were of British stock. Indeed, some 80% were English.

    You can see this to this day in the number of British surnames to be found amongst un-hyphenated Americans. This is reflected in the founding fathers, many of whom were similarly of British extraction, including Benjamin Franklin, George Washington, John Adams, James Madison and Thomas Jefferson.

    This is why Americans, to this day, speak a dialect of English.

    We Brits and you Americans are of the same tribe; John Derbyshire is amongst kin, even if his vowels are somewhat more rounded.

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    "The American Revolutionary war that resulted in US independence from Britain in 1776, was America’s first civil war. "

    My, what a forked tongue you have. If we accept your revisionist narrative, shouldn't that be "yet another British civil war"?

    https://youtu.be/njFOIvoN9pc

    We are not the British. We gave the finger to your "divine right of Kings', we bow before no man, and we ain't got no "Lords" lording it over us:

    https://youtu.be/EGgaXXBkE8A

    Got that NickG? An American Nation.
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  42. @Mark Green
    This was a hopelessly unoriginal and uninspiring essay. Not Derb's first I might add. Please compare this article with his previous screed about "Murdering Muslims".

    Yes, Mr. Derbyshire does give voice to those of us who wish to protect our civilization from debasement-via-immigration, but his omissions do damage, too.

    Surely Derb must understand that the wave of 'murderous Muslims' into Europe (and N. America) is a by-product of Zio-Washington's murderous onslaught. Does he not?

    So why then does he consistently fail to examine this crucial fact in any depth?

    Years of aggressive, Zionist-friendly interventions in the Muslim world have dislocated millions of hapless souls. They're here because we're there. And it's we who started dropping bombs first. That fact is vital to remember. It identifies the cause as well as the initial wrongdoer. What's worse, this process is still underway.

    Thus, the story about unwanted Muslim refugees into the West in no way parallels the conundrum involving waves of (economic) refugees pouring into America from the Mexico.

    Please devote some time to making this distinction in a future article, Derb.

    And why, Mr. Derbyshire, are we waging serial warfare in the Middle East in the first place?

    Please don't dish up that 'war for oil' canard. That yarn has been a myth from the start. Even today, pro-Israel policies being imposed by Washington to keep Iranian oil off the global market. But why? This hurts consumers. The goal is to cause injury to Iran and to weaken Iran. This is an Israeli objective. And it keeps happening.

    Zionized Washington did the the same to Saddam Hussein (preventing him from selling oil) before we finally bombed Iraq into oblivion. It never ends. And few speak out. Indeed, Zionist concerns generally trump domestic interests in Official Washington. Amazing, but true. These 'values' have cost countless US jobs, not to mention lives. Right now, Boeing is about to lose a huge export deal with Iran due to crypto-Israeli meddling. This is not unusual. Israel's preeminence over mere domestic interests is a permanent part of Washington. It's been this way for decades.

    When Nixon/Kissinger, for instance, saved Israel's ass during the Yom Kippur war, it precipitated the infamous 1973 Arab oil embargo. Economic fallout was vast, deep, and long-lasting. Incredibly, most Americans remain completely unaware of these facts.

    Pro-Zionist, US-conducted wars have pushed millions Iraqis, Syrians, Libyans and Palestinians out of their homelands and into the 'de-racialized' West. Unnecessary Anglo-Zionist aggression has given life and legitimacy to rising Muslim outrage. This is a real and worsening security issue. All Americans are affected. And it can be tied to Israel's hold on Washington. Yet Derb consistently fails address this matter or connect any dots. Why?

    Does Mr. Derbyshire suffer from avoidance anxiety? It sure looks that way.

    John Derbyshire--while contributing mightily to the otherwise empty 'national discussion on race'--is clearly too timid to forthrightly examine the harmful impact that decades of Zionist activism has had on immigration and other urgent matters, including the decline of white living standards.

    This should interest any honest immigration restrictionist. But not Derb.

    And who/what's behind the ongoing taboos that target white racial cohesion and identity?
    Any idea, Derb? It's not just the Leftwing 'social justice warriors'.

    As for Muslim immigration, Zio-Washington's needless annihilation of Iraq, Libya, Syria and Palestine has produced this wave of these refugees. Why not explore this phenomena closely and honestly?

    Derb's oversights are not a minor detail. They fit a pattern. Incredibly, Derb cites Israel as a shining example of what America should do about uninvited immigrants--yet never examines the key role that Zionist militarism and Zio-liberal 'anti-racist' activism has had on the white Western world.

    Derb's omissions are no aberration. I recall his negative review of MacDonald's seminal 'Culture of Critique' in American Conservative Magazine nearly 15 years ago.

    Derb therefore has a pretty good inkling about who's in mostly-in-charge and who's overwhelmingly responsible for America's preemptive wars, the lax immigration policies into the West (as opposed to Israel), and the subversive, demographic transformation of the Western world.

    But he dares not speak its name.

    Why not say it out loud, Derb?

    Why?

    Derb is scared.

    He's rolled-over on this subject previously and he's still looking the other way. It's an embarrassing pattern. And now Derb is pretending--yet again--that Israel's artificial centrality in American life is not particularly important and ultimately unrelated to the West's destructive trajectory.

    Derb's blithe attitude is foolish, disingenuous and craven.

    Like the tenured members of that long and boring list of safe and acceptable pundits who we see on TV and read in America's few surviving newspapers, Derb is terrified of being labeled an 'anti-Semite'. So he's taken a middle course.

    It could be worse, sure. But it certainly could be better.

    We've got plenty of Muslim-bashers already, Derb. And most anyone who has lived among blacks understands their numerous inadequacies.

    When will Derb step up to the plate, take a risk, and make a bold contribution?

    Until he and others take that step, countless Americans will believe that all it takes is another Mideast war to solve our security problems. But that avenue is a dead end. We've done enough needless damage there already. Let's set our course right by solving our problems here and respecting other nation's borders, just as we insist they do the same.

    Amen brother…….

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  43. A great deal of American hostility against Iran comes from knee-jerk reactions from supposedly Christian Americans who want to defend Israel. This is possible because these people have spent so little time actually studying the Bible. If they are going to hark back to incidents from the Iron Age, then perhaps it is worth recalling that when the leaders of Judah were hauled off to Babylon by the Babylonians in 587 BC, but they were subsequently freed in 523 by Cyrus the Great, a Perisan, an Iranian. Yes, it was the Persians who freed the Jews, helped them return home, and contributed to the rebuilding of the second temple. Why then is Iran, which has not invaded another country since 1798, so easily cast as the eternal enemy in this little drama? It is because people in the West only ever approach religion or history with anything but support for what they believe to be the position of their team in today’s game. There is very little real time given to study of the past even by their ministers and teachers. It is just rah rah rah for our team, like good little Vikings. With this kind of naivety the Jews who control their media can lead them around by the nose. Nobody with any knowledge of history is involved in the conversation.

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  44. geokat62 says:
    @Mark Green
    This was a hopelessly unoriginal and uninspiring essay. Not Derb's first I might add. Please compare this article with his previous screed about "Murdering Muslims".

    Yes, Mr. Derbyshire does give voice to those of us who wish to protect our civilization from debasement-via-immigration, but his omissions do damage, too.

    Surely Derb must understand that the wave of 'murderous Muslims' into Europe (and N. America) is a by-product of Zio-Washington's murderous onslaught. Does he not?

    So why then does he consistently fail to examine this crucial fact in any depth?

    Years of aggressive, Zionist-friendly interventions in the Muslim world have dislocated millions of hapless souls. They're here because we're there. And it's we who started dropping bombs first. That fact is vital to remember. It identifies the cause as well as the initial wrongdoer. What's worse, this process is still underway.

    Thus, the story about unwanted Muslim refugees into the West in no way parallels the conundrum involving waves of (economic) refugees pouring into America from the Mexico.

    Please devote some time to making this distinction in a future article, Derb.

    And why, Mr. Derbyshire, are we waging serial warfare in the Middle East in the first place?

    Please don't dish up that 'war for oil' canard. That yarn has been a myth from the start. Even today, pro-Israel policies being imposed by Washington to keep Iranian oil off the global market. But why? This hurts consumers. The goal is to cause injury to Iran and to weaken Iran. This is an Israeli objective. And it keeps happening.

    Zionized Washington did the the same to Saddam Hussein (preventing him from selling oil) before we finally bombed Iraq into oblivion. It never ends. And few speak out. Indeed, Zionist concerns generally trump domestic interests in Official Washington. Amazing, but true. These 'values' have cost countless US jobs, not to mention lives. Right now, Boeing is about to lose a huge export deal with Iran due to crypto-Israeli meddling. This is not unusual. Israel's preeminence over mere domestic interests is a permanent part of Washington. It's been this way for decades.

    When Nixon/Kissinger, for instance, saved Israel's ass during the Yom Kippur war, it precipitated the infamous 1973 Arab oil embargo. Economic fallout was vast, deep, and long-lasting. Incredibly, most Americans remain completely unaware of these facts.

    Pro-Zionist, US-conducted wars have pushed millions Iraqis, Syrians, Libyans and Palestinians out of their homelands and into the 'de-racialized' West. Unnecessary Anglo-Zionist aggression has given life and legitimacy to rising Muslim outrage. This is a real and worsening security issue. All Americans are affected. And it can be tied to Israel's hold on Washington. Yet Derb consistently fails address this matter or connect any dots. Why?

    Does Mr. Derbyshire suffer from avoidance anxiety? It sure looks that way.

    John Derbyshire--while contributing mightily to the otherwise empty 'national discussion on race'--is clearly too timid to forthrightly examine the harmful impact that decades of Zionist activism has had on immigration and other urgent matters, including the decline of white living standards.

    This should interest any honest immigration restrictionist. But not Derb.

    And who/what's behind the ongoing taboos that target white racial cohesion and identity?
    Any idea, Derb? It's not just the Leftwing 'social justice warriors'.

    As for Muslim immigration, Zio-Washington's needless annihilation of Iraq, Libya, Syria and Palestine has produced this wave of these refugees. Why not explore this phenomena closely and honestly?

    Derb's oversights are not a minor detail. They fit a pattern. Incredibly, Derb cites Israel as a shining example of what America should do about uninvited immigrants--yet never examines the key role that Zionist militarism and Zio-liberal 'anti-racist' activism has had on the white Western world.

    Derb's omissions are no aberration. I recall his negative review of MacDonald's seminal 'Culture of Critique' in American Conservative Magazine nearly 15 years ago.

    Derb therefore has a pretty good inkling about who's in mostly-in-charge and who's overwhelmingly responsible for America's preemptive wars, the lax immigration policies into the West (as opposed to Israel), and the subversive, demographic transformation of the Western world.

    But he dares not speak its name.

    Why not say it out loud, Derb?

    Why?

    Derb is scared.

    He's rolled-over on this subject previously and he's still looking the other way. It's an embarrassing pattern. And now Derb is pretending--yet again--that Israel's artificial centrality in American life is not particularly important and ultimately unrelated to the West's destructive trajectory.

    Derb's blithe attitude is foolish, disingenuous and craven.

    Like the tenured members of that long and boring list of safe and acceptable pundits who we see on TV and read in America's few surviving newspapers, Derb is terrified of being labeled an 'anti-Semite'. So he's taken a middle course.

    It could be worse, sure. But it certainly could be better.

    We've got plenty of Muslim-bashers already, Derb. And most anyone who has lived among blacks understands their numerous inadequacies.

    When will Derb step up to the plate, take a risk, and make a bold contribution?

    Until he and others take that step, countless Americans will believe that all it takes is another Mideast war to solve our security problems. But that avenue is a dead end. We've done enough needless damage there already. Let's set our course right by solving our problems here and respecting other nation's borders, just as we insist they do the same.

    Please don’t dish up that ‘war for oil’ canard. That yarn has been a myth from the start.

    Hey, Mark. Excellent comment, as usual.

    btw – I just finished viewing George Galloway’s The Killings of Tony Blair. When the film finally got down to asking the all important question of why – why did the US/UK invade Iraq – guess who they hauled out to furnish the answer? Nope, not Profs. Mearsheimer and Walt.. they unbelievably profiled instead Prof. Noam Chomsky. The irony of this simply cannot be overstated. If you recall, at the height of the ziocons’ success immediately after launching the Iraq invasion, they formed a special senate investigation into the UN’S Oil for Food program and accused George Galloway of receiving kickbacks from Saddam Hussein through this program. The senate investigation was presided over by two senators, Norm Coleman R-MN and Carl Levin D-MI. I admired Galloway’s performance at the time because he had the courage to tell them “the invasion of Iraq was based on a pack of lies.”

    But for some reason, he seems to have forgotten this when he decided to profile the closet Zionist’s “dog wags tail” hypothesis. What a disgrace.

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    I was just thinking the other day about how pro-Israel conservatives/Republicans are, and I think it mostly comes down to that civilizational solidarity you mention. They see Israel as a white Western country (whether or not Jews see themselves as white/Western or to what extent they feel reciprocal solidarity). I'm talking about the rank and file here, not politicians who could also be responding to lobbyist pressure.

    Also that Israel has the same (liberal/leftist) enemies: the people saying that Israel stole the land from the Palestinians also say that the U.S., Canada, and Australia stole their land from the Indians/aborigines. We think we have the right to exist and have no plans to give it all back.

    There's probably also a certain implicit respect for Israel as having a national identity and defending it's national interests. Israel is the Jewish state, America (historically) is a white Christian country. Israel builds walls, has an immigration policy to keep it Jewish. There's probably a certain sense of we don't have a problem with that, we want that too!

    Of course the irony is that it's Jewish journalists and activists who are the staunchest enemies of America having those kinds of ideas and policies.

    What are you talking about? Ever heard of NYT ? Thomas Friedman? Then there’s the papist Patrick B. Supposedly pro U.S. but anti Israel and Netanyahu but a leftist nazi and buggering Roman cleric sympatico.

    Derbyshire is right about Israel getting too much press attention. But this is a WORLD WIDE media phenomenon and not only an American one. Are the European and Asian papers riddled with Hebraic journalists also?

    Derbyshire conjures up the Irish – English dispute. But the closer parallel is the India – Pakistan (the other I-P) problem that also hasn’t changed over the same period of time he references. And it’s much worse than Israel-Palestine – that twin I – P problem born out of post WW II intrigue.

    Certainly one might wonder how much attention the NYT would give to Israel if it was owned by let’s say Aditya Berla or Tata Group. Then maybe we would always be hearing about the 10 million plus refugees who lost their homes or over 1 million dead in sectarian violence occasioned by the India – Pakistan partition. Or the four wars fought by India and Pakistan since 1947. Or the occupation and terror and ‘line of control’ and majority muslim population in Kashmir. Noting that both India and Pakistan are nuclear powers ‘for God’s sake’ certainly the world wide media tends to focus on the mini I – P problem a lot more than on the BIG one.

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    He's British, of course he's going to be obsessed with England and Ireland. It's their local ancient quarrel. Mexicans are convinced America's behind everything wrong with their country, Bolivia wants to get Chile back, Uruguay hates getting confused with Paraguay, every country's got their thing.
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  46. iffen says:
    @Randal

    An integral part of the Protestant faith since inception does not qualify as “misled.”
     
    Believing that the state of Israel established in 1948 has anything to do with Biblical prophecy, or that Biblical prophecy should in any way guide policy on it, has always been very much a minority view as far as Christian thinking globally is concerned, though a disturbingly influential one in US elite circles at times. Even amongst Protestant Christians it is a fringe view generally regarded as the province of zealots and "nutters", outside a few "dispensationalist" churches historically big in the US but not much elsewhere.

    It was the socialists building a new collectivist utopia who were probably the biggest contributors to the establishment and early success of Israel as a European settler colonial state.

    a fringe view generally regarded as the province of zealots and “nutters”,

    extremist Protestant (“Zionist”) Christians

    Those nutters just elected a US President. Those nutters preserved a bit of sanity in NC last week, and those nutters will likely enact legislation in Texas in the coming weeks that will prevent a sexually deviant mental illness from being installed and enshrined as the latest golden calf.

    See you at the new embassy in Jerusalem.

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    Those nutters just elected a US President. Those nutters preserved a bit of sanity in NC last week, and those nutters will likely enact legislation in Texas in the coming weeks that will prevent a sexually deviant mental illness from being installed and enshrined as the latest golden calf.
     
    So because I agree with some of their attitudes on particular issues I should refrain from pointing out their fringe religiously-based idiocies when said idiocies impinge upon matters of war and peace?

    Does the same apply to muslims, in your view? Thought not.

    See you at the new embassy in Jerusalem.
     
    I suspect that's going to end up as one of those literally stupid things Trump frequently throws out there, but doesn't follow up in practice when the practical implications are explained to him.

    I could be wrong on that, obviously, but if so it will most likely just go down in history as yet another of the Israeli-supporter-inspired US foreign policy disasters that have led to untold suffering out in the real world.
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  47. Randal says:
    @iffen

    a fringe view generally regarded as the province of zealots and “nutters”,

    extremist Protestant (“Zionist”) Christians

     

    Those nutters just elected a US President. Those nutters preserved a bit of sanity in NC last week, and those nutters will likely enact legislation in Texas in the coming weeks that will prevent a sexually deviant mental illness from being installed and enshrined as the latest golden calf.

    See you at the new embassy in Jerusalem.

    Those nutters just elected a US President. Those nutters preserved a bit of sanity in NC last week, and those nutters will likely enact legislation in Texas in the coming weeks that will prevent a sexually deviant mental illness from being installed and enshrined as the latest golden calf.

    So because I agree with some of their attitudes on particular issues I should refrain from pointing out their fringe religiously-based idiocies when said idiocies impinge upon matters of war and peace?

    Does the same apply to muslims, in your view? Thought not.

    See you at the new embassy in Jerusalem.

    I suspect that’s going to end up as one of those literally stupid things Trump frequently throws out there, but doesn’t follow up in practice when the practical implications are explained to him.

    I could be wrong on that, obviously, but if so it will most likely just go down in history as yet another of the Israeli-supporter-inspired US foreign policy disasters that have led to untold suffering out in the real world.

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    I should refrain from pointing out

    You don't have to refrain from pointing out anything.

    I do think that you should address what was written.

    WC said that they were misled.

    I said that it was a core belief.

    You threw in a bunch of un-related stuff.
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  48. @Mark Green
    This was a hopelessly unoriginal and uninspiring essay. Not Derb's first I might add. Please compare this article with his previous screed about "Murdering Muslims".

    Yes, Mr. Derbyshire does give voice to those of us who wish to protect our civilization from debasement-via-immigration, but his omissions do damage, too.

    Surely Derb must understand that the wave of 'murderous Muslims' into Europe (and N. America) is a by-product of Zio-Washington's murderous onslaught. Does he not?

    So why then does he consistently fail to examine this crucial fact in any depth?

    Years of aggressive, Zionist-friendly interventions in the Muslim world have dislocated millions of hapless souls. They're here because we're there. And it's we who started dropping bombs first. That fact is vital to remember. It identifies the cause as well as the initial wrongdoer. What's worse, this process is still underway.

    Thus, the story about unwanted Muslim refugees into the West in no way parallels the conundrum involving waves of (economic) refugees pouring into America from the Mexico.

    Please devote some time to making this distinction in a future article, Derb.

    And why, Mr. Derbyshire, are we waging serial warfare in the Middle East in the first place?

    Please don't dish up that 'war for oil' canard. That yarn has been a myth from the start. Even today, pro-Israel policies being imposed by Washington to keep Iranian oil off the global market. But why? This hurts consumers. The goal is to cause injury to Iran and to weaken Iran. This is an Israeli objective. And it keeps happening.

    Zionized Washington did the the same to Saddam Hussein (preventing him from selling oil) before we finally bombed Iraq into oblivion. It never ends. And few speak out. Indeed, Zionist concerns generally trump domestic interests in Official Washington. Amazing, but true. These 'values' have cost countless US jobs, not to mention lives. Right now, Boeing is about to lose a huge export deal with Iran due to crypto-Israeli meddling. This is not unusual. Israel's preeminence over mere domestic interests is a permanent part of Washington. It's been this way for decades.

    When Nixon/Kissinger, for instance, saved Israel's ass during the Yom Kippur war, it precipitated the infamous 1973 Arab oil embargo. Economic fallout was vast, deep, and long-lasting. Incredibly, most Americans remain completely unaware of these facts.

    Pro-Zionist, US-conducted wars have pushed millions Iraqis, Syrians, Libyans and Palestinians out of their homelands and into the 'de-racialized' West. Unnecessary Anglo-Zionist aggression has given life and legitimacy to rising Muslim outrage. This is a real and worsening security issue. All Americans are affected. And it can be tied to Israel's hold on Washington. Yet Derb consistently fails address this matter or connect any dots. Why?

    Does Mr. Derbyshire suffer from avoidance anxiety? It sure looks that way.

    John Derbyshire--while contributing mightily to the otherwise empty 'national discussion on race'--is clearly too timid to forthrightly examine the harmful impact that decades of Zionist activism has had on immigration and other urgent matters, including the decline of white living standards.

    This should interest any honest immigration restrictionist. But not Derb.

    And who/what's behind the ongoing taboos that target white racial cohesion and identity?
    Any idea, Derb? It's not just the Leftwing 'social justice warriors'.

    As for Muslim immigration, Zio-Washington's needless annihilation of Iraq, Libya, Syria and Palestine has produced this wave of these refugees. Why not explore this phenomena closely and honestly?

    Derb's oversights are not a minor detail. They fit a pattern. Incredibly, Derb cites Israel as a shining example of what America should do about uninvited immigrants--yet never examines the key role that Zionist militarism and Zio-liberal 'anti-racist' activism has had on the white Western world.

    Derb's omissions are no aberration. I recall his negative review of MacDonald's seminal 'Culture of Critique' in American Conservative Magazine nearly 15 years ago.

    Derb therefore has a pretty good inkling about who's in mostly-in-charge and who's overwhelmingly responsible for America's preemptive wars, the lax immigration policies into the West (as opposed to Israel), and the subversive, demographic transformation of the Western world.

    But he dares not speak its name.

    Why not say it out loud, Derb?

    Why?

    Derb is scared.

    He's rolled-over on this subject previously and he's still looking the other way. It's an embarrassing pattern. And now Derb is pretending--yet again--that Israel's artificial centrality in American life is not particularly important and ultimately unrelated to the West's destructive trajectory.

    Derb's blithe attitude is foolish, disingenuous and craven.

    Like the tenured members of that long and boring list of safe and acceptable pundits who we see on TV and read in America's few surviving newspapers, Derb is terrified of being labeled an 'anti-Semite'. So he's taken a middle course.

    It could be worse, sure. But it certainly could be better.

    We've got plenty of Muslim-bashers already, Derb. And most anyone who has lived among blacks understands their numerous inadequacies.

    When will Derb step up to the plate, take a risk, and make a bold contribution?

    Until he and others take that step, countless Americans will believe that all it takes is another Mideast war to solve our security problems. But that avenue is a dead end. We've done enough needless damage there already. Let's set our course right by solving our problems here and respecting other nation's borders, just as we insist they do the same.

    the lax immigration policies into the West (as opposed to Israel)

    US has the same functional immigration policy as Israel, namely pro-victim cult, anti-white straight Christian male.

    US has open borders exclusively for entitled victim cultists, and Israel has open borders exclusively for entitled Jewish victim cultists.

    The American-Israeli victim cult is obsessed with demonizing all white straight Christian males as potential Nazi oppressors or Nazi sympathizers.

    Jews are still waging WW2, including inside the US and Israel.

    It’s fairly obvious Jews have concocted a profile of a Nazi, a profile that they use to incite government discrimination :

    white-gentile-Christian-straight-gringo-healthy-independent-militia-occidental-male

    The similarities between the US and Israel are striking:

    1. US-Israel both are national democracies with no effective constitutional limits on their national government law making power.

    2. US-Israel are dominated by an organized, super-majority of voters who self-identify as a victim cult, forever oppressed by Nazi. This victim cult is recognized by the central government as a bunch of entitled protected classes. This victim cult promotes itself as being anti-Nazi.

    3. US-Israel define a Nazi profile as being white-gentile-Christian-straight-gringo-healthy-independent-militia-occidental-male

    4. US-Israel have 2-party systems that dominate national politics

    5. US Republicans = conservative Judaism = Israeli Likud Party

    6. US Democrats = secular Judaism = Israeli Labor Party

    7. US-Israel have a super-majority of protected victim class voters, special people that demand and receive thousands of class based government entitlements by law in exchange for their votes.

    8. US-Israel are fascist and aggressive proponents of the American-Israeli protected victim class supremacy scheme in the world

    9. US-Israel coordinate their attacks and sabotage of Israeli enemies in the middle east

    10. US-Israel coordinate their black operations

    11. US-Israel share military technology and intelligence

    12. US-Israel are international pariah states for the same reasons

    13. US-Israel have biased immigration policy in favor of victim cult people.

    14. US-Israel cover for each others transgressions in the UN

    15. US-Israel military and foreign aid agreements are heavily biased toward Israeli enrichment

    16. US-Israel relationship is such that Israel can attack the US Navy, and be rewarded for doing so (USS Liberty)

    17. The American-Israeli protected victim class entitlement scheme:

    Women are entitled because of Male oppression
    Jewish are entitled because of Gentile oppression
    Queers are entitled because of Straight oppression
    Muslims are entitled because of Christian oppression
    Disabled are entitled because of Healthy oppression
    Afro-blacks are entitled because of White oppression
    Latinos are entitled because of Gringo oppression
    Hispanics are entitled because of Gringo oppression
    Military Veteran are entitled because of Militia oppression
    2-party System Dependents are entitled because of Independent oppression
    Aboriginals are entitled because of Paleface oppression
    Asians are entitled because of Occidental oppression
    National Socialist are entitled because of local-state Government oppression
    Crony Capitalist are entitled because of honest Businessmen oppression
    Zionist are entitled because of anti-Fascist oppression

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  49. iffen says:
    @Randal

    Those nutters just elected a US President. Those nutters preserved a bit of sanity in NC last week, and those nutters will likely enact legislation in Texas in the coming weeks that will prevent a sexually deviant mental illness from being installed and enshrined as the latest golden calf.
     
    So because I agree with some of their attitudes on particular issues I should refrain from pointing out their fringe religiously-based idiocies when said idiocies impinge upon matters of war and peace?

    Does the same apply to muslims, in your view? Thought not.

    See you at the new embassy in Jerusalem.
     
    I suspect that's going to end up as one of those literally stupid things Trump frequently throws out there, but doesn't follow up in practice when the practical implications are explained to him.

    I could be wrong on that, obviously, but if so it will most likely just go down in history as yet another of the Israeli-supporter-inspired US foreign policy disasters that have led to untold suffering out in the real world.

    I should refrain from pointing out

    You don’t have to refrain from pointing out anything.

    I do think that you should address what was written.

    WC said that they were misled.

    I said that it was a core belief.

    You threw in a bunch of un-related stuff.

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    WC said that they were misled.

    I said that it was a core belief.

    You threw in a bunch of un-related stuff.
     
    I think that's what you did, by bringing in lots of theoretical theology from centuries before 1948 and trying to apply it to the currently existing state of Israel created in that year when the vast majority of Christians do not. WorkingClass is exactly correct, imo, in pointing out that the few Christian sects who have been taught by their leaders that biblical prophecy relates to that particular state have precisely been "misled".

    In much the same way that Twelver Shiite muslims who are told to apply their theology about the return of Al-Mahdi to current affairs in Iraq and Iran are misled, for instance, and for similar motivations.
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  50. Mr. Anon says:

    “…………………..Mr. Netanyahu, who has had a combative relationship with Mr. Obama, and has made little secret of his happiness over the changing of the guard that is about to take place in Washington.”

    And yet Netanyahu was not especially helpful to Donald Trump when he was running for President:

    Trump’s Muslim Comments Draw Rebuke From Netanyahu

    And that despite the fact that Trump had made a campaign commercial in support of Netanyahu.

    Why is it that Netanyahu doesn’t think that America should be able to prevent muslims from immigrating to the United States?

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  51. Mr. Anon says:
    @anonymous
    Stop complicating things. Israel is an ally in the fight against radical islam, which is the only real fight that matters. Chinese people aren't going to invade your countries and replace your civilization with theirs, but muslims will do those things.

    “Stop complicating things.”

    Yeah, we should all just believe what we’re supposed to believe.

    “Israel is an ally in the fight against radical islam,….”

    Really? What have they done to help us? The one concrete thing that Trump has proposed that would actually defend America against radical islam was condemned by Prime Minister Netanyahu:

    Trump’s Muslim Comments Draw Rebuke From Netanyahu

    What exactly does the United States gain from its alliance with Israel?

    “Chinese people aren’t going to invade your countries and replace your civilization with theirs, but muslims will do those things.”

    And who in the United States is most publicly opposed to any attempt to reduce or stop immigration – the same immigration that is permitting muslims to invade our country and try to replace our civilization with theirs? Who created and pushes the “Nation of Immigrants” line?

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    @Mark Green
    This was a hopelessly unoriginal and uninspiring essay. Not Derb's first I might add. Please compare this article with his previous screed about "Murdering Muslims".

    Yes, Mr. Derbyshire does give voice to those of us who wish to protect our civilization from debasement-via-immigration, but his omissions do damage, too.

    Surely Derb must understand that the wave of 'murderous Muslims' into Europe (and N. America) is a by-product of Zio-Washington's murderous onslaught. Does he not?

    So why then does he consistently fail to examine this crucial fact in any depth?

    Years of aggressive, Zionist-friendly interventions in the Muslim world have dislocated millions of hapless souls. They're here because we're there. And it's we who started dropping bombs first. That fact is vital to remember. It identifies the cause as well as the initial wrongdoer. What's worse, this process is still underway.

    Thus, the story about unwanted Muslim refugees into the West in no way parallels the conundrum involving waves of (economic) refugees pouring into America from the Mexico.

    Please devote some time to making this distinction in a future article, Derb.

    And why, Mr. Derbyshire, are we waging serial warfare in the Middle East in the first place?

    Please don't dish up that 'war for oil' canard. That yarn has been a myth from the start. Even today, pro-Israel policies being imposed by Washington to keep Iranian oil off the global market. But why? This hurts consumers. The goal is to cause injury to Iran and to weaken Iran. This is an Israeli objective. And it keeps happening.

    Zionized Washington did the the same to Saddam Hussein (preventing him from selling oil) before we finally bombed Iraq into oblivion. It never ends. And few speak out. Indeed, Zionist concerns generally trump domestic interests in Official Washington. Amazing, but true. These 'values' have cost countless US jobs, not to mention lives. Right now, Boeing is about to lose a huge export deal with Iran due to crypto-Israeli meddling. This is not unusual. Israel's preeminence over mere domestic interests is a permanent part of Washington. It's been this way for decades.

    When Nixon/Kissinger, for instance, saved Israel's ass during the Yom Kippur war, it precipitated the infamous 1973 Arab oil embargo. Economic fallout was vast, deep, and long-lasting. Incredibly, most Americans remain completely unaware of these facts.

    Pro-Zionist, US-conducted wars have pushed millions Iraqis, Syrians, Libyans and Palestinians out of their homelands and into the 'de-racialized' West. Unnecessary Anglo-Zionist aggression has given life and legitimacy to rising Muslim outrage. This is a real and worsening security issue. All Americans are affected. And it can be tied to Israel's hold on Washington. Yet Derb consistently fails address this matter or connect any dots. Why?

    Does Mr. Derbyshire suffer from avoidance anxiety? It sure looks that way.

    John Derbyshire--while contributing mightily to the otherwise empty 'national discussion on race'--is clearly too timid to forthrightly examine the harmful impact that decades of Zionist activism has had on immigration and other urgent matters, including the decline of white living standards.

    This should interest any honest immigration restrictionist. But not Derb.

    And who/what's behind the ongoing taboos that target white racial cohesion and identity?
    Any idea, Derb? It's not just the Leftwing 'social justice warriors'.

    As for Muslim immigration, Zio-Washington's needless annihilation of Iraq, Libya, Syria and Palestine has produced this wave of these refugees. Why not explore this phenomena closely and honestly?

    Derb's oversights are not a minor detail. They fit a pattern. Incredibly, Derb cites Israel as a shining example of what America should do about uninvited immigrants--yet never examines the key role that Zionist militarism and Zio-liberal 'anti-racist' activism has had on the white Western world.

    Derb's omissions are no aberration. I recall his negative review of MacDonald's seminal 'Culture of Critique' in American Conservative Magazine nearly 15 years ago.

    Derb therefore has a pretty good inkling about who's in mostly-in-charge and who's overwhelmingly responsible for America's preemptive wars, the lax immigration policies into the West (as opposed to Israel), and the subversive, demographic transformation of the Western world.

    But he dares not speak its name.

    Why not say it out loud, Derb?

    Why?

    Derb is scared.

    He's rolled-over on this subject previously and he's still looking the other way. It's an embarrassing pattern. And now Derb is pretending--yet again--that Israel's artificial centrality in American life is not particularly important and ultimately unrelated to the West's destructive trajectory.

    Derb's blithe attitude is foolish, disingenuous and craven.

    Like the tenured members of that long and boring list of safe and acceptable pundits who we see on TV and read in America's few surviving newspapers, Derb is terrified of being labeled an 'anti-Semite'. So he's taken a middle course.

    It could be worse, sure. But it certainly could be better.

    We've got plenty of Muslim-bashers already, Derb. And most anyone who has lived among blacks understands their numerous inadequacies.

    When will Derb step up to the plate, take a risk, and make a bold contribution?

    Until he and others take that step, countless Americans will believe that all it takes is another Mideast war to solve our security problems. But that avenue is a dead end. We've done enough needless damage there already. Let's set our course right by solving our problems here and respecting other nation's borders, just as we insist they do the same.

    Very well written article. I have been puzzled by Derb’s inability to tackle in a direct manner the pernicious influence that the Jews have had on Western Civilization. I am not sure it is due to cowardice, although that may be a reasonable proposition given that any hint of anti-semitism can be career ending in his line of work. I think he is genuinely on the fence. He can see the damage that has been caused by Jewish persons controlling so many of our once trusted institutions, but I suspect he also recognizes their outsized intellectual contributions and is a genuine admirer of the Jewish people.

    I must confess that I am a little on the fence on this issue as well. My own feeling is that Jewish contributions have significantly outweighed their destuctive tendencies in Western nations so long as the Jews don’t get too much control over these societies. Once they gain too much control, they really fuck up these civilizations big time primarily because of their genuine anti-gentilism, which is at least as virulent a force as is anti-semitism. This eventually harms them too as a once stable and prosperous nation is destroyed by these destructive impulses. This is unfortunately the state that we are now in today, and it could well lead to a nuclear war if their control remains unchallenged. I think must readers on this site recognize that the hostility towards Putin is driven by their current overwhelming control of our society.

    But ultimately it is shameful for the goyim to have allowed their societies to be hijacked in the first place, and we are ultimately responsible for the current state we are in. Thank people like the Bush clan, McCain, Romney, Ryan, Blair and countless others for their treason and betrayal of their own people.

    In summary, it is neither good for us or for the Jews that they now exert overwhelming control over our civilization. This IS perhaps the most critically important issue facing Western Civilization today, and Derb, as one of our leading intellectuals, is going to eventually have to face this issue with more honesty if he is to be in the vanguard of our thought leaders.

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    I have been puzzled by Derb’s inability to tackle in a direct manner the pernicious influence that the Jews have had on Western Civilization. I am not sure it is due to cowardice, although that may be a reasonable proposition given that any hint of anti-semitism can be career ending in his line of work.
     
    I'd say he's pretty clear about it:

    One evening early on in my career as an opinion journalist in the USA, I found myself in a roomful of mainstream conservative types standing around in groups and gossiping. Because I was new to the scene, many of the names they were tossing about were unknown to me, so I could not take much part in the conversation. Then I caught one name that I recognized. I had just recently read and admired a piece published in Chronicles under that name. I gathered from the conversation that the owner of the name had once been a regular contributor to much more widely read conservative publications, the kind that have salaried congressional correspondents and full-service LexisNexis accounts, but that he was welcome at those august portals no longer. In all innocence, I asked why this was so. “Oh,” explained one of my companions, “he got the Jew thing.” The others in our group all nodded their understanding. Apparently no further explanation was required. The Jew thing. It was said in the kind of tone you might use of an automobile with a cracked engine block, or a house with subsiding foundations. Nothing to be done with him, poor fellow. No use to anybody now. Got the Jew thing. They shoot horses, don’t they?

    Plainly, getting the Jew thing was a sort of occupational hazard of conservative journalism in the United States, an exceptionally lethal one, which the career-wise writer should strive to avoid. I resolved that I would do my best, so far as personal integrity allowed, not to get the Jew thing. I had better make it clear to the reader that at the time of writing, I have not yet got the Jew thing—that I am in fact a philoSemite and a well-wisher of Israel, for reasons I have explained in various places, none of them difficult for the nimble web surfer to find.
     

    You go on to say:

    This IS perhaps the most critically important issue facing Western Civilization today, and Derb, as one of our leading intellectuals, is going to eventually have to face this issue with more honesty if he is to be in the vanguard of our thought leaders.
     
    He's 71. He's not going to have an anti-semitic conversion experience.
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  53. Randal says:
    @iffen
    I should refrain from pointing out

    You don't have to refrain from pointing out anything.

    I do think that you should address what was written.

    WC said that they were misled.

    I said that it was a core belief.

    You threw in a bunch of un-related stuff.

    WC said that they were misled.

    I said that it was a core belief.

    You threw in a bunch of un-related stuff.

    I think that’s what you did, by bringing in lots of theoretical theology from centuries before 1948 and trying to apply it to the currently existing state of Israel created in that year when the vast majority of Christians do not. WorkingClass is exactly correct, imo, in pointing out that the few Christian sects who have been taught by their leaders that biblical prophecy relates to that particular state have precisely been “misled”.

    In much the same way that Twelver Shiite muslims who are told to apply their theology about the return of Al-Mahdi to current affairs in Iraq and Iran are misled, for instance, and for similar motivations.

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    We are discussing religious beliefs. There is no such thing as misled.
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  54. Randal says:
    @anonymous
    Stop complicating things. Israel is an ally in the fight against radical islam, which is the only real fight that matters. Chinese people aren't going to invade your countries and replace your civilization with theirs, but muslims will do those things.

    Stop complicating things. Israel is an ally in the fight against radical islam, which is the only real fight that matters.

    Is it? Really?

    Israeli Intel Chief: We Don’t Want ISIS Defeated in Syria

    Is it in the interests of those running Israel for the states surrounding them to be run by reasonably stable secular dictatorships amenable to reasonable bullying and bribery, or by chaotic sunni nutters who will continually attack US interests and ensure continued US subsidies for Israel?

    Reason suggests that Major General Herzi Halevy’s position is the true one of the Israeli regime and its supporters. And given that we know Israeli lobbyists strongly pushed the destruction of Iraq (which directly gave rise to the first creation of a substantial jihadist state in the heart of the ME), and “went all out” to push for a similar destruction of the Syrian government in 2013 which would undoubtedly have had similar results, it appears there’s strong practical evidence for that being the case, as well.

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  55. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    motes and beams.

    Like, say, the diaspora Jews’ neverending crusade against White Privilege and White Racism in America, while being the biggest source of Zionist power in the world, and thus being instrumental to what the Israelis are doing to the Palestinians?

    Those kinds of motes and beams?

    Why do Arabs and/or Muslims care more about Israel than, for instance, the Chinese oppression of Uyghur Muslims (recently evidenced by the Chinese state demolishing 5000 mosques within a span of a few months)?

    Why do Jews and/or Zionists care more about perverts rights and idiotic Black identity politics than, for instance, the Israelis shelling civilian Arab populations?

    And yet Netanyahu was not especially helpful to Donald Trump when he was running for President:

    Trump’s Muslim Comments Draw Rebuke From Netanyahu

    And that despite the fact that Trump had made a campaign commercial in support of Netanyahu.

    Why is it that Netanyahu doesn’t think that America should be able to prevent muslims from immigrating to the United States?

    Knowing what we know of Trump, I think people who think Trump has forgotten or forgiven are nuts. Trump won’t get his revenge the way the Israel-Lasters want him to, but he’ll get his revenge, I think. It’s a good thing, not pleasing the Israel-Lasters; most of them hate Israel, but couldn’t care less about America.

    I think Trump’s revenge will be to push his agenda (nationalism, immigration, trade, anti-globalism) through. I’m sure we’ve all watched a scene or two in mass entertainment, where someone gleefully beats on one person, to get revenge on another person who cares about him. Usually while the second person watches (e.g., Charlie’s death in Black Rain, several movies with female antagonists who use male proxies, etc.). That’s how I picture this playing out: with Trump allowing as little daylight between him and Israel as practicable, while goring diaspora Jewry’s ox).

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    > That’s how I picture this playing out: with Trump allowing as little daylight between him and Israel as practicable, while goring diaspora Jewry’s ox).

    i'm cool with that

    i believe you re forgetting to notice the ever-deepening divide between Orthodox & "hippy-dippy unitarian-universalist"-flavored Jews in North America.

    Jared Kushner isn't agitating for more Somalis in the USA, my friend.
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  56. iffen says:
    @Charles Martel
    Why do Arabs and/or Muslims care more about Israel than, for instance, the Chinese oppression of Uyghur Muslims (recently evidenced by the Chinese state demolishing 5000 mosques within a span of a few months)?

    Because to the Islamic mind, control of Jerusalem is what matters. Muslims being slaughtered in Xinjiang or Chechnya or Myanmar is an irrelevance.

    This is a central fact that many pro-Israel and anti-Israel commentators fail to grasp or admit.

    Why do Arabs and/or Muslims care more about Israel than, for instance, the Chinese oppression of Uyghur Muslims (recently evidenced by the Chinese state demolishing 5000 mosques within a span of a few months)?

    Because to the Islamic mind, control of Jerusalem is what matters.

    What do have to back this?

    I have never read a good explanation as to why they attacked Israel in 1948. I always just assumed it was because they were devout Jew-haters.

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    "I always just assumed it was because they were devout Jew-haters."

    A cursory review of Jewish Muslim relations before the rise of the "synagogue of satan" would decisively show that historically Jews ran to Muslims for protection from Christian Europeans who were indeed "devout Jew-haters".

    And if we consult the Jewish accounts of pogroms prior to '48, every single instance involves Christian nations. (There is some dispute regarding the post '48 events in Iraq, etc., with the contrary view being that these were Zionists false flags to affect migration of Jews to the entity.)

    https://youtu.be/th7euZ30wDE

    , @Beefcake the Mighty
    Of course you did; you believe EVERYONE is a "devout Jew-hater".
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  57. iffen says:
    @Randal

    WC said that they were misled.

    I said that it was a core belief.

    You threw in a bunch of un-related stuff.
     
    I think that's what you did, by bringing in lots of theoretical theology from centuries before 1948 and trying to apply it to the currently existing state of Israel created in that year when the vast majority of Christians do not. WorkingClass is exactly correct, imo, in pointing out that the few Christian sects who have been taught by their leaders that biblical prophecy relates to that particular state have precisely been "misled".

    In much the same way that Twelver Shiite muslims who are told to apply their theology about the return of Al-Mahdi to current affairs in Iraq and Iran are misled, for instance, and for similar motivations.

    We are discussing religious beliefs. There is no such thing as misled.

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  58. Israel is a total suck of working Americans’ wealth. We get nothing from israhell – while every Israeli gets $30,000 of American taxpayer wealth every year. And the Israelis laugh at the stupidity of the ‘goys’ – that’s the gratitude we get from these a-holes.

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  59. Actually Israel is not at all important to America as a whole. And in fact it is a real negative for us. However, the Zionists, who are very strong in America, have made it important because of their fanatical religious beliefs.

    Israel has not helped America in any of its wars, in contrast to Egypt, Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States. Israel only takes from America and does not really give in any way. None of their military or even any of their land has been used by us. They loudly proclaim that they are allies, and then demand billions in aid, but they have not helped America in any significant way.

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  60. “Why didn’t Brooks, Jr. join the U.S. military if he felt the urge to go soldiering? I don’t know.”

    If you have no problem knowing the loyalties of Latinos who live in the U.S., and even serve in the U.S. military in some cases (as mere mercenaries in my opinion), how can Brooks, Jr.’s situation be a mystery to you?

    I’ll answer for you: His loyalty is to the tribe, and he likely doesn’t give a damn about most Americans, and views the U.S. as a tool to serve the tribe’s/Israel’s interests.

    How can this be a mystery when you see how hostile the Jewish media and donor class are to America?

    I once heard an NPR story on Jews in the U.S. military, and several interviewed stated that they joined the U.S. military in order to gain skills and knowledge that would be useful when they later serve in the IDF. Sounds like Johnathan Pollard to me.

    Jewish power outside of Israel, not Israel or Zionism, is the problem, and rehashing religious feuds, European or ME history isn’t going to get to the heart of the issue.

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  61. @Rich
    It is interesting that people who mostly came from Central and Eastern Europe have adopted a Middle Eastern country as their homeland because some of the people living there have adopted a similar religion. Kind of proves that those Europeans who felt that Jews were disloyal to the countries in which they they were born, had a point.
    Perhaps Ferdinand and Isabella were right in their actions back in the 15th century.

    Ferdie and Isabella went WAY too easy on the jews.

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  62. Blake says:

    He left out the 2 million in Gaza and the more than 7.5 million Palestinian refugees outside their homeland awaiting their inalienable right to return home.

    “To the 2 million plus now living in Gaza must be added 2,731,052 in East Jerusalem and the West Bank, and 1,688,600 in Israel “proper”, a total of 6,419,652, outnumbering the 6,119,000 Jewish Israelis.”

    http://jordantimes.com/opinion/michael-jansen/west-colludes-israel-never-ending-punishment-gaza%E2%80%99

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    There is no credible plan under which Israel would annex Gaza, so those are irrelevant.
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  63. Blake says:

    Any fair-minded person must be an Israel sympathizer. A hundred years ago there were Jews and Arabs living in that part of the Ottoman Empire. After the Ottoman collapse, both peoples had a right to set up their own ethnostates. It has been the furiously intransigent Arab denial of this fact, not anything Israelis have done, that has been the root cause of all subsequent troubles.

    Oh dear you wanted to make your own feelings plain without doing any research. Palestinians counted Jews among their population. Same blood, different religion. What was foisted on them by the British for their own geopolitical purposes were European zionist Jews who went there not to assimilate but to amass weapons and dispossess the non Jewish natives of their homeland

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  64. PBR says:

    Kerry’s comment is 100% correct, due to the huge difference in birth rates. Maybe the technically correct point is that Israel cannot “stay” democratic for very much longer, but why is Derb quibbling on this point?

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  65. Karl says:

    derbyshire > Colmes’ position is the common one among liberal American Jews: charade-ethnonationalism for me, but don’t ask ME to show up and pull reserve-duty-rotations at checkpoints where the IDF is CONSTANTLY dis-arming Palestinians of knives & more.

    Well John, I fixed it for you.

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  66. I agree that Israel is not that important to the United States – but the same may be said about the Arab countries.

    American policy in the Middle East for the past forty years has been formed around the memory of the 1973-4 oil embargo and the economic shock that caused our domestic economy. The fear that such an embargo might occur again accounts for the craven kowtowing of this country toward the assorted dictators, absolute monarchs, theocrats, and patrons of terrorism that rule the Islamosphere.

    However, in the years since then, the United States has outstripped Saudi Arabia’s oil production, and is now the world’s leading producer. This is no thanks to the Obama administration, which has done everything it can to prevent further exploration and development, block the construction of pipelines, and generally to hinder the domestic petroleum industry. It is almost as if Obama wants to keep America vulnerable. We can, however, expect this to change under Trump.

    If we are not obliged to pay as much attention as we have done to the importunacy of the Israelis, we are à fortiori freed by our ample domestic supplies of oil from the necessity of truckling before the extortionate demands of barbarous Muslims. I applaud Trump’s announced intention to move the U.S. embassy in Israel to Jerusalem. It is only a small and inexpensive gesture in the direction of the Israelis, but much more importantly, it tells the Arabs that we are not afraid of them. Let them bluster – in the end, they still need to sell their oil, and now they have competitors. For the same reason, I applaud Trump’s telephone conversation with the president of Taiwan. It sends the same message to the rulers of mainland China. Appeasement, our policy towards both the Arabs and the Chinese over many decades, has done nothing but signal weakness and cowardice on our part. This must end. American foreign policy must embody a robust assertion of American interests before all else.

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  67. Karl says:
    @Astuteobservor II
    eh, isn't the reason the whole lot of them hate us and israel because we fuck around in the middle east? why are we fucking around in the middle east anyway? there is nothing to gain for the usa.

    > isn’t the reason the whole lot of them hate us and israel because we fuck around in the middle east?

    before you European nationalities EXISTED, the Muslims were massacring people eastward along the equator, and calling it a religious obligation.

    Islam reached Southwest & Central Mindanao in the late (AD) 1300′s…. then ran into the Pacific Ocean, which finally stopped it.

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  68. Karl says:
    @Anonymous

    motes and beams.
     
    Like, say, the diaspora Jews' neverending crusade against White Privilege and White Racism in America, while being the biggest source of Zionist power in the world, and thus being instrumental to what the Israelis are doing to the Palestinians?

    Those kinds of motes and beams?

    Why do Arabs and/or Muslims care more about Israel than, for instance, the Chinese oppression of Uyghur Muslims (recently evidenced by the Chinese state demolishing 5000 mosques within a span of a few months)?
     
    Why do Jews and/or Zionists care more about perverts rights and idiotic Black identity politics than, for instance, the Israelis shelling civilian Arab populations?

    And yet Netanyahu was not especially helpful to Donald Trump when he was running for President:

    Trump’s Muslim Comments Draw Rebuke From Netanyahu

    And that despite the fact that Trump had made a campaign commercial in support of Netanyahu.

    Why is it that Netanyahu doesn’t think that America should be able to prevent muslims from immigrating to the United States?
     
    Knowing what we know of Trump, I think people who think Trump has forgotten or forgiven are nuts. Trump won't get his revenge the way the Israel-Lasters want him to, but he'll get his revenge, I think. It's a good thing, not pleasing the Israel-Lasters; most of them hate Israel, but couldn't care less about America.

    I think Trump's revenge will be to push his agenda (nationalism, immigration, trade, anti-globalism) through. I'm sure we've all watched a scene or two in mass entertainment, where someone gleefully beats on one person, to get revenge on another person who cares about him. Usually while the second person watches (e.g., Charlie's death in Black Rain, several movies with female antagonists who use male proxies, etc.). That's how I picture this playing out: with Trump allowing as little daylight between him and Israel as practicable, while goring diaspora Jewry's ox).

    > That’s how I picture this playing out: with Trump allowing as little daylight between him and Israel as practicable, while goring diaspora Jewry’s ox).

    i’m cool with that

    i believe you re forgetting to notice the ever-deepening divide between Orthodox & “hippy-dippy unitarian-universalist”-flavored Jews in North America.

    Jared Kushner isn’t agitating for more Somalis in the USA, my friend.

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  69. MEexpert says:

    The reason we sympathize with Israel is because we see our face in the Israeli mirror. The white man came from Europe to America. Slowly started killing the Indians and started taking there land. Killed their source of food (Buffalo) just as the Israeli are cutting down all the olive trees in Palestine. Then we put the native population on reservations just as Israel has done to the Palestinians in Gaza and West Bank.

    Israel attacks palestinians and calls it self defense. When the palestinians attack Israelis it is labeled terrorism. In America when we massacred indians we called it victory but when the Indians won we called it massacre.

    America and Israel are two peas in pod.

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  70. SIMPLE says:

    Could you do some math columns please?

    I find myself, later in life, wishing I had learned more. I was pretty decent at it, but really more of an equal math/verbal person. And never pursued it as much as I could have.

    I didn’t really even know the scope of the different fields of advanced math. But I have bought some Dover paperbacks and skim them. (Too lazy to really work the problems–I still work, but in business so it would do me no good.) But even just skimming the paperbacks gives you at least a feel for the scope of courses like PDEs or Complex Analysis. But I still am not sure really what is all out there. Wikipedia is useless since it doesn’t put things in context (like what math course teaches you polylogs and what types of engineering problems if any are they useful for), but wants to play definition, theorem, lemma crap.

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    Have you tried Khan Academy?

    https://www.khanacademy.org/
    , @Karl
    > Could you do some math columns please?

    oh, my tribe is fairly good at teaching math.

    Just for starters, may I recommend:

    Morris Kline (z"l): "Calculus: A physical and intuitive approach"

    Mark Levi: " THE MATHEMATICAL MECHANIC: · Using Physical Reasoning to Solve Problems"


    This guy Nahin up at U.New Hampshire is good too. See, I like gentiles, too!
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  71. @Astuteobservor II
    eh, isn't the reason the whole lot of them hate us and israel because we fuck around in the middle east? why are we fucking around in the middle east anyway? there is nothing to gain for the usa.

    eh, isn’t the reason the whole lot of them hate us and israel because we fuck around in the middle east? why are we fucking around in the middle east anyway? there is nothing to gain for the usa.

    Long before the advent of modern Israel:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_conquest_of_Afghanistan

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamicisation_and_Turkicisation_of_Xinjiang

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests_of_the_Indian_subcontinent

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_the_Maghreb

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_Transoxiana

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_Egypt

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_the_Levant

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_Persia

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tours

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_Constantinople

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vienna

    We’re involved in the Middle East for the same reason we were involved in Asia, Africa and Europe during WWII – to prevent potential adversaries from building an empire so big we cannot resist them if/when they turn their attention to us. What we do is standard operating procedure for just about every great power in history. Now – some people say that this did not prevent other empires from collapsing. While that’s true, the small powers that stood aside tended to end up being conquered – either submitting peacefully or resisting and suffering significant bloodshed. Name one neutral power that hasn’t been annexed over thousands of years. Even Switzerland was overrun by Napoleon. The only reason it wasn’t overrun more recently is because Hitler lost.

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    We’re involved in the Middle East for the same reason we were involved in Asia, Africa and Europe during WWII – to prevent potential adversaries from building an empire so big we cannot resist them if/when they turn their attention to us.
     
    That's not the only reason, and fewer people these days are buying it as such.


    Yeah, I know this guy was a “self loathing Jew,” and anyone who posts this must be an “anti-Semite” or whatever. Yeah, yeah, save it. We’ve heard all that rubbish before.


    Here in the United States, the Zionists and their co-religionists have complete control of our government. For many reasons, too many and too complex to go into here at this time, the Zionists and their co-religionists rule these United States as though they were the absolute monarchs of this country. Now you may say that is a very broad statement, but let me show you what happened while we were all asleep.

    - Benjamin H. Freedman, Benjamin Freedman Speaks: A Jewish Defector Warns America (1961)
     

    , @Art
    We’re involved in the Middle East for the same reason we were involved in Asia, Africa and Europe during WWII – to prevent potential adversaries from building an empire so big we cannot resist them if/when they turn their attention to us.

    Oh my --- another Ziombie hateful fearmongering geopolitical genius begging America to make war for Israel.

    What Muslim nation seriously threatens America? Is there one Muslim nation that can build a tank – let along an airplane?

    Europe and America are very mindful of the immigration problem – unchecked immigration is about to end.

    The average Muslim – like most other people want a better life – not war.

    Peace --- Art

    p.s. Humanity is moving on – non-lethal cyber war is the new game.
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  72. HBM says:

    I don’t pay much attention to the howling about “betrayal” of Israel by Obama. It’s Jewish theater. It’s the same as their disingenuous howling about Christianity. Jews know exactly how useful both have been and are in the destruction of their host peoples and societies.

    Let’s not forget it’s the same bunch that gave us a red-diaper baby mulatto quasi-Muslim as President to begin with.

    But Oy the betrayal!

    Will the Jews’ suffering never end?

    As for the choice of Muslim or Jew– it’s false. Both are Semites who see our openness as an invitation to harm and exploit us (although Arabs are stupider since they have black genes and lack the high-end DNA that Jews purchased). They have worked together historically and are currently working together. Our sympathy however must be with ourselves. We have to overcome our inclination to believe that the enemy of our enemy is our friend. The Jews understand this particular weakness and expertly exploit it.

    The same Jews who howl about America’s treatment of natives hundreds of years ago support Israel today, and the same Muslims who despise the West– and despise Jews, too– nevertheless pour into our countries to rape and murder, having been propelled and empowered by the Jews.

    Jews are driven by ethno-religious narratives. Their existence, the true Jewish existential crisis, hinges upon their ability to author the goyishe world around them, to shape it to resemble the stories from the Torah about themselves and who they are and their relationship to the nations.

    Every Jew a Joseph in Egypt and an Esther in Persia.

    And Egypt and Persia– at least according to the stories– ended up a smoking ruin.

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  73. biz says:
    @Blake
    He left out the 2 million in Gaza and the more than 7.5 million Palestinian refugees outside their homeland awaiting their inalienable right to return home.

    "To the 2 million plus now living in Gaza must be added 2,731,052 in East Jerusalem and the West Bank, and 1,688,600 in Israel “proper”, a total of 6,419,652, outnumbering the 6,119,000 Jewish Israelis."

    http://jordantimes.com/opinion/michael-jansen/west-colludes-israel-never-ending-punishment-gaza%E2%80%99

    There is no credible plan under which Israel would annex Gaza, so those are irrelevant.

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    The writer admitted he was naive about the whole affair. Gaza is a 24 by 7 mile concentration camp. As for being irrelevant reading your irrational comments I would say self projection.

    Both zionism and wahhabism have been supported for British imperialists geopolitical purposes in the region. They are twin cancers foisted on the people there. In the case of Palestine - a European alien imposition who has turned their lives upside down; created worlds largest/longest suffering refugee population which isnt irrelevant by any means unless you are one with incentives to squat in their stolen home which means I have no time for freeloading sociopaths such as yourself. Good day.

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  74. @The Grate Deign
    One of the reasons Israel attracts our sympathy is that many of the people who hate Israel also hate America and the West.

    One of the reasons Israel attracts our sympathy is that many of the people who hate Israel also hate America and the West.

    I think it attracts our perversity and gullibility rather that our sympathy.

    Look at the scum we supported in the world wars. Israel was founded by and is largely populated by obnoxious, aggresive NON-Semites from Eastern Europe who were mostly atheists.

    Ya, I know they call themselves Jews and hide under the skirt of Jewish victimhood, but they’re largely mafia-like frauds and they discredit true Judaism.

    “ To [my grandfather] Zionism was counterfeit Judaism and the Zionists charlatans. His Orthodox belief held that the re-establishment of Israel was a matter of God in the messianic future. He would have agreed with Yehoshofat Harkabi, a former chief of Israeli military intelligence, who said “The Jews always considered that the land belonged to them, but in fact it belonged to the Arabs. I would go further: I would say the original source of this conflict lies with Israel.”

    http://mondoweiss.net/2012/08/my-grandfather-sparked-my-interest-in-debate-over-zionism.html

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  75. biz says:

    A very fair column.

    One thing I would note is that Israel is important in the sense that if the jihad is successful in defeating Israel, it is over for the entire West. When Arab stone throwers chant “First the Saturday people, then the Sunday people” they mean it. If Western self-loathing and the tendency to placate Islamists reaches the point where it is impossible to stand up for Israel, then it will be impossible to stand up for the West.

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    Yes, the sky is always falling. Especially when you have big governments.
     
    Here's some insight into one source of the hysteria. (There are others, mostly commercial.)

    For war is essentially the health of the State...And it is precisely in war that the urgency for union seems greatest, and the necessity for universality seems most unquestioned. The State is the organization of the herd to act offensively or defensively against another herd similarly organized. The more terrifying the occasion for defense, the closer will become the organization and the more coercive the influence upon each member of the herd. War sends the current of purpose and activity flowing down to the lowest levels of the herd, and to its remote branches. All the activities of society are linked together as fast as possible to this central purpose of making a military offensive or military defense, and the State becomes what in peacetimes it has vainly struggled to become—the inexorable arbiter and determinant of men’s businesses and attitudes and opinions.

    _Randolph Bourne, The State, (1918)

    http://fair-use.org/randolph-bourne/the-state/

     

    , @Randal

    One thing I would note is that Israel is important in the sense that if the jihad is successful in defeating Israel, it is over for the entire West. When Arab stone throwers chant “First the Saturday people, then the Sunday people” they mean it. If Western self-loathing and the tendency to placate Islamists reaches the point where it is impossible to stand up for Israel, then it will be impossible to stand up for the West.
     
    Nope.

    The only significant threat that muslims constitute to the nations of Europe and America is via mass immigration and political correctness. Israel has nothing whatsoever to contribute to defending against that threat, which is something we need to address internally.

    From that point of view, we would certainly be better off without the state of Israel, which merely muddies the waters as to what we stand for and the kinds of behaviour we are prepared to condone.

    The only thing Israel might have contributed - the old fashioned principle that a nation state depends upon blood and soil issues and not just the "proposition nation" nonsense that modern US sphere dogma requires - is thoroughly corrupted by the determined and highly effective opposition on the part of most jewish nationalists to the idea that any such identity issue can be acceptable when applied to white European and American nations
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  76. Ragno says:

    I like Derb fine, but he needs to stop periodically pretending to write about Jews and Israel.

    Face it, Derb: no matter how often you chirp show’s over, folks! – nothin’ t’see here, b’gosh!, like a rent-a-mick swinging a billyclub….they’re not letting you back in the club. Not through the front door, the back door, or the freight entrance. Not ever.

    And if they should ever send out any sotto-voce feelers indicating that maybe bygones should be bygones after all……watch out, because they’ll want you to perform some task on their behalf, after which your ass will be hitting the pavement all over again.

    Stick to immigration, and race relations, and that careful evisceration you do of cultural Marxism (being careful to avoid judging the actual cultural Marxists). Those of us who can still recall, with a spine-rattling diarrhea shiver, your shameful column on The Jew Thing would really rather not endure any more of that if you don’t mind.

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  77. Agent76 says:

    Dec 29, 2016 Rabbis hold press conference in support of UN resolution on Israeli settlements

    Rabbi Dovid Feldman speaks at press conference organized by Neturei Katrta International, in support of recent resolution by the United Nations Security Council condemning the Israeli settlements as illegal. The vent took place outside the United Nations headquarters in New York City, on Wednesday, On December 28, 2016

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  78. Agent76 says:

    Jan. 24, 2009 How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas

    Moshav Tekuma, Israel Surveying the wreckage of a neighbor’s bungalow hit by a Palestinian rocket, retired Israeli official Avner Cohen traces the missile’s trajectory back to an “enormous, stupid mistake” made 30 years ago.

    http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB123275572295011847

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    “My father, who was a military expert, spent the remainder of his life, after he retired, from the military, fighting for justice for the Palestinian cause… … My father’s predictions have all come true.’

    -Miko Peled
    http://demotropolis.org/tag/miko-peled/

     

    , @Randal

    retired Israeli official Avner Cohen traces the missile’s trajectory back to an “enormous, stupid mistake” made 30 years ago
     
    Compare:

    Israeli Intel Chief: We Don’t Want ISIS Defeated in Syria
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  79. @biz
    A very fair column.

    One thing I would note is that Israel is important in the sense that if the jihad is successful in defeating Israel, it is over for the entire West. When Arab stone throwers chant "First the Saturday people, then the Sunday people" they mean it. If Western self-loathing and the tendency to placate Islamists reaches the point where it is impossible to stand up for Israel, then it will be impossible to stand up for the West.

    Yes, the sky is always falling. Especially when you have big governments.

    Here’s some insight into one source of the hysteria. (There are others, mostly commercial.)

    For war is essentially the health of the State…And it is precisely in war that the urgency for union seems greatest, and the necessity for universality seems most unquestioned. The State is the organization of the herd to act offensively or defensively against another herd similarly organized. The more terrifying the occasion for defense, the closer will become the organization and the more coercive the influence upon each member of the herd. War sends the current of purpose and activity flowing down to the lowest levels of the herd, and to its remote branches. All the activities of society are linked together as fast as possible to this central purpose of making a military offensive or military defense, and the State becomes what in peacetimes it has vainly struggled to become—the inexorable arbiter and determinant of men’s businesses and attitudes and opinions.

    _Randolph Bourne, The State, (1918)

    http://fair-use.org/randolph-bourne/the-state/

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    I don't understand your comment but I think that you were trying to make some sort of case that the Islamist threat is a boogieman cooked up by MIC interests, or something like that.

    The present-day rape victims across Europe, the beheaded Thai Buddhist priests, the Yezidis put in mass sexual slavery, and the 3000 bodies buried under the World Trade Center would disagree with you, as would the Armenians of the Ottoman Empire, the residents of Vienna in 1645, and its countless other victims over the centuries. Oh well.
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  80. @Agent76
    Jan. 24, 2009 How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas

    Moshav Tekuma, Israel Surveying the wreckage of a neighbor's bungalow hit by a Palestinian rocket, retired Israeli official Avner Cohen traces the missile's trajectory back to an "enormous, stupid mistake" made 30 years ago.

    http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB123275572295011847

    “My father, who was a military expert, spent the remainder of his life, after he retired, from the military, fighting for justice for the Palestinian cause… … My father’s predictions have all come true.’

    -Miko Peled

    http://demotropolis.org/tag/miko-peled/

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  81. Randal says:
    @Agent76
    Jan. 24, 2009 How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas

    Moshav Tekuma, Israel Surveying the wreckage of a neighbor's bungalow hit by a Palestinian rocket, retired Israeli official Avner Cohen traces the missile's trajectory back to an "enormous, stupid mistake" made 30 years ago.

    http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB123275572295011847

    retired Israeli official Avner Cohen traces the missile’s trajectory back to an “enormous, stupid mistake” made 30 years ago

    Compare:

    Israeli Intel Chief: We Don’t Want ISIS Defeated in Syria

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  82. Randal says:
    @biz
    A very fair column.

    One thing I would note is that Israel is important in the sense that if the jihad is successful in defeating Israel, it is over for the entire West. When Arab stone throwers chant "First the Saturday people, then the Sunday people" they mean it. If Western self-loathing and the tendency to placate Islamists reaches the point where it is impossible to stand up for Israel, then it will be impossible to stand up for the West.

    One thing I would note is that Israel is important in the sense that if the jihad is successful in defeating Israel, it is over for the entire West. When Arab stone throwers chant “First the Saturday people, then the Sunday people” they mean it. If Western self-loathing and the tendency to placate Islamists reaches the point where it is impossible to stand up for Israel, then it will be impossible to stand up for the West.

    Nope.

    The only significant threat that muslims constitute to the nations of Europe and America is via mass immigration and political correctness. Israel has nothing whatsoever to contribute to defending against that threat, which is something we need to address internally.

    From that point of view, we would certainly be better off without the state of Israel, which merely muddies the waters as to what we stand for and the kinds of behaviour we are prepared to condone.

    The only thing Israel might have contributed – the old fashioned principle that a nation state depends upon blood and soil issues and not just the “proposition nation” nonsense that modern US sphere dogma requires – is thoroughly corrupted by the determined and highly effective opposition on the part of most jewish nationalists to the idea that any such identity issue can be acceptable when applied to white European and American nations

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  83. @Johann Ricke

    eh, isn’t the reason the whole lot of them hate us and israel because we fuck around in the middle east? why are we fucking around in the middle east anyway? there is nothing to gain for the usa.
     
    Long before the advent of modern Israel:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_conquest_of_Afghanistan
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamicisation_and_Turkicisation_of_Xinjiang
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests_of_the_Indian_subcontinent
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_the_Maghreb
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_Transoxiana
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_Egypt
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_the_Levant
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_Persia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tours
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_Constantinople
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vienna

    We're involved in the Middle East for the same reason we were involved in Asia, Africa and Europe during WWII - to prevent potential adversaries from building an empire so big we cannot resist them if/when they turn their attention to us. What we do is standard operating procedure for just about every great power in history. Now - some people say that this did not prevent other empires from collapsing. While that's true, the small powers that stood aside tended to end up being conquered - either submitting peacefully or resisting and suffering significant bloodshed. Name one neutral power that hasn't been annexed over thousands of years. Even Switzerland was overrun by Napoleon. The only reason it wasn't overrun more recently is because Hitler lost.

    We’re involved in the Middle East for the same reason we were involved in Asia, Africa and Europe during WWII – to prevent potential adversaries from building an empire so big we cannot resist them if/when they turn their attention to us.

    That’s not the only reason, and fewer people these days are buying it as such.

    Yeah, I know this guy was a “self loathing Jew,” and anyone who posts this must be an “anti-Semite” or whatever. Yeah, yeah, save it. We’ve heard all that rubbish before.

    Here in the United States, the Zionists and their co-religionists have complete control of our government. For many reasons, too many and too complex to go into here at this time, the Zionists and their co-religionists rule these United States as though they were the absolute monarchs of this country. Now you may say that is a very broad statement, but let me show you what happened while we were all asleep.

    - Benjamin H. Freedman, Benjamin Freedman Speaks: A Jewish Defector Warns America (1961)

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    That’s not the only reason, and fewer people these days are buying it as such.
     
    There are lots of secondary reasons we do these things, but the primary reason is the same reason other great powers have done them in the past - to keep the wolf away from the door.

    Yeah, I know this guy was a “self loathing Jew,” and anyone who posts this must be an “anti-Semite” or whatever. Yeah, yeah, save it. We’ve heard all that rubbish before.
     
    I'm not sure what the point of this segue is. The grim reality is that the Islamic Manifesto (aka the Koran) pre-dates, and has outlasted, its Marxist counterpart by over a millennium, and the primary factors keeping Islam's 1.6b people within its present borders are (1) the non-Muslim world's technological superiority and (2) various efforts by outside powers to prevent it from coalescing into a unitary empire. As Churchill once wrote:

    How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries, improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

    A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement, the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

    Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.
     
    To paraphrase Trotsky, you may not be interested in Islam, but Islam is interested in you.
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  84. Pandos says:
    @Mark Green
    This was a hopelessly unoriginal and uninspiring essay. Not Derb's first I might add. Please compare this article with his previous screed about "Murdering Muslims".

    Yes, Mr. Derbyshire does give voice to those of us who wish to protect our civilization from debasement-via-immigration, but his omissions do damage, too.

    Surely Derb must understand that the wave of 'murderous Muslims' into Europe (and N. America) is a by-product of Zio-Washington's murderous onslaught. Does he not?

    So why then does he consistently fail to examine this crucial fact in any depth?

    Years of aggressive, Zionist-friendly interventions in the Muslim world have dislocated millions of hapless souls. They're here because we're there. And it's we who started dropping bombs first. That fact is vital to remember. It identifies the cause as well as the initial wrongdoer. What's worse, this process is still underway.

    Thus, the story about unwanted Muslim refugees into the West in no way parallels the conundrum involving waves of (economic) refugees pouring into America from the Mexico.

    Please devote some time to making this distinction in a future article, Derb.

    And why, Mr. Derbyshire, are we waging serial warfare in the Middle East in the first place?

    Please don't dish up that 'war for oil' canard. That yarn has been a myth from the start. Even today, pro-Israel policies being imposed by Washington to keep Iranian oil off the global market. But why? This hurts consumers. The goal is to cause injury to Iran and to weaken Iran. This is an Israeli objective. And it keeps happening.

    Zionized Washington did the the same to Saddam Hussein (preventing him from selling oil) before we finally bombed Iraq into oblivion. It never ends. And few speak out. Indeed, Zionist concerns generally trump domestic interests in Official Washington. Amazing, but true. These 'values' have cost countless US jobs, not to mention lives. Right now, Boeing is about to lose a huge export deal with Iran due to crypto-Israeli meddling. This is not unusual. Israel's preeminence over mere domestic interests is a permanent part of Washington. It's been this way for decades.

    When Nixon/Kissinger, for instance, saved Israel's ass during the Yom Kippur war, it precipitated the infamous 1973 Arab oil embargo. Economic fallout was vast, deep, and long-lasting. Incredibly, most Americans remain completely unaware of these facts.

    Pro-Zionist, US-conducted wars have pushed millions Iraqis, Syrians, Libyans and Palestinians out of their homelands and into the 'de-racialized' West. Unnecessary Anglo-Zionist aggression has given life and legitimacy to rising Muslim outrage. This is a real and worsening security issue. All Americans are affected. And it can be tied to Israel's hold on Washington. Yet Derb consistently fails address this matter or connect any dots. Why?

    Does Mr. Derbyshire suffer from avoidance anxiety? It sure looks that way.

    John Derbyshire--while contributing mightily to the otherwise empty 'national discussion on race'--is clearly too timid to forthrightly examine the harmful impact that decades of Zionist activism has had on immigration and other urgent matters, including the decline of white living standards.

    This should interest any honest immigration restrictionist. But not Derb.

    And who/what's behind the ongoing taboos that target white racial cohesion and identity?
    Any idea, Derb? It's not just the Leftwing 'social justice warriors'.

    As for Muslim immigration, Zio-Washington's needless annihilation of Iraq, Libya, Syria and Palestine has produced this wave of these refugees. Why not explore this phenomena closely and honestly?

    Derb's oversights are not a minor detail. They fit a pattern. Incredibly, Derb cites Israel as a shining example of what America should do about uninvited immigrants--yet never examines the key role that Zionist militarism and Zio-liberal 'anti-racist' activism has had on the white Western world.

    Derb's omissions are no aberration. I recall his negative review of MacDonald's seminal 'Culture of Critique' in American Conservative Magazine nearly 15 years ago.

    Derb therefore has a pretty good inkling about who's in mostly-in-charge and who's overwhelmingly responsible for America's preemptive wars, the lax immigration policies into the West (as opposed to Israel), and the subversive, demographic transformation of the Western world.

    But he dares not speak its name.

    Why not say it out loud, Derb?

    Why?

    Derb is scared.

    He's rolled-over on this subject previously and he's still looking the other way. It's an embarrassing pattern. And now Derb is pretending--yet again--that Israel's artificial centrality in American life is not particularly important and ultimately unrelated to the West's destructive trajectory.

    Derb's blithe attitude is foolish, disingenuous and craven.

    Like the tenured members of that long and boring list of safe and acceptable pundits who we see on TV and read in America's few surviving newspapers, Derb is terrified of being labeled an 'anti-Semite'. So he's taken a middle course.

    It could be worse, sure. But it certainly could be better.

    We've got plenty of Muslim-bashers already, Derb. And most anyone who has lived among blacks understands their numerous inadequacies.

    When will Derb step up to the plate, take a risk, and make a bold contribution?

    Until he and others take that step, countless Americans will believe that all it takes is another Mideast war to solve our security problems. But that avenue is a dead end. We've done enough needless damage there already. Let's set our course right by solving our problems here and respecting other nation's borders, just as we insist they do the same.

    Terrific comment.

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    Thank you. Mr. Derbyshire is a well-meaning and effective journalist. Ironically, on this subject, he's paralyzed by political correctness.
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  85. Art says:
    @Sean
    The current course of US policy allows US Jews of completely different views to defend Israel, while suffering only bearable cognitive dissonance. Israel has to do something liberal Jews count not countenance for the Israel/ immigration lobby to be split. The crucial fact is the West is not going to be allowed to do anything decisive to prevent a replacement immigration tsunami unless Israel has already done something far more outré.

    And this is assuming that if they annex the West Bank, the Israelis would be unwilling and/or unable to just expel all the non-Jews, which I think is a fair assumption.
     
    Only if the US continues to defends the lynch-pin of the current new Palestinian state machine ( the existing Palestinian state of Jordan). IfUS does the West Bank Arabs know they just have to sit tight to keep Israel on the peace process skids toward non Jewishness. A war in which sees the toppling what officially calls itself The Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan by Sunni radical would be the only way out for Israel, if the US was willing and able to take the heat for it.

    A war in which sees the toppling what officially calls itself The Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan by Sunni radical would be the only way out for Israel, if the US was willing and able to take the heat for it.

    First, it is official – Jews are not democrats – the will of the residents of these countries have no say in these matters – the must go along with the bloody Jew agenda – their freedom of choice means nothing to the Jew.

    Second – why would the US expend any more moral capital on Israel?

    “if the US was willing” – the American people are not “willing” – only our quisling government.

    Peace — Art

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    https://news.vice.com/article/the-great-wall-of-jordan-how-the-us-wants-to-keep-the-islamic-state-out

    Obama did that, and everyone in the US establishment agrees.This is a part of the elite's plan to solve the middle east problem by dissolving the Jewish state of Israel with a Palestinian state in the West Bank

    It is not a benefit to Israel to keep Islamic state out of Jordan, which surrendered the claim to sovereignty over the West Bank, in 1988. The US defence of Jordan is is preserving untenable position for Israel. Obama is just following the longstanding bipartisan US policy for a Palestinian state and it is inevitable unless there is some cataclysmic change in the corelation of forces: Israel is running out of ideas.

    On the course already set, Israel will become a non Jewish state and disintegrate as most |Jews leave it., every knowledgeable strategist( for instance Van Ceveld, Mearsheimer and Ehud Barak who knows more than anyone having been head of Israeli intelligence as well as PM) have said this. The Palestinians are sitting tight, and they turned down Barak's offer at Camp David, because they know time is on their side .

    America is going to be blamed for Israel failing, and the people doing the blaming are not without influence; they will wreak a terrible revenge. The best thing for the US is creative withdrawal from Jordan and making sure Israel has implicit backing to take radical action..

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  86. Mark Green says: • Website
    @Pandos
    Terrific comment.

    Thank you. Mr. Derbyshire is a well-meaning and effective journalist. Ironically, on this subject, he’s paralyzed by political correctness.

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  87. @Anonymous
    interesting video

    watched the first 2 min

    Derbyshire's a Brit. Didn't know that.

    Accounts for his ziophilic views on Israel, and the blind spots in his recounting of the sequence of events re dismantling of Ottoman empire.

    but bottom line is,

    Didn't we boot Brits out of USA a few centuries ago?

    Stay gone, 'nkay?

    “Didn’t we boot Brits out of USA a few centuries ago?”

    That old saw of “we won the revolutionary battles but lost the financial war” comes to mind.

    Wishful thinking. Churchil moved into the WH in WWII and felt comfortable enough to walk around ugly butt naked. (Though the so called royals apparently were apprehensive about their visit to US.)

    American Whig families — yes, they exist — took over the so called intelligence apparatus and British propaganda outfits (“the British invasion, yeah yeah yeah…”, “007″, …) took over cultural control.

    The United States is scapegoated for the ills of the collective project of the Empire, but we rarely see anyone point a finger at AngloZionist central & the City of London.

    The “special relationship” has to be one of the most successful propaganda efforts of the Stealth Empire’s establishment. But not all Brits can keep their feelings regarding the former colony in check. Thus various betrayals and defections to USSR by the public school boy set due to a strong dislike for “the Yanks”, which are a matter of historic record.

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  88. @Mark Green
    This was a hopelessly unoriginal and uninspiring essay. Not Derb's first I might add. Please compare this article with his previous screed about "Murdering Muslims".

    Yes, Mr. Derbyshire does give voice to those of us who wish to protect our civilization from debasement-via-immigration, but his omissions do damage, too.

    Surely Derb must understand that the wave of 'murderous Muslims' into Europe (and N. America) is a by-product of Zio-Washington's murderous onslaught. Does he not?

    So why then does he consistently fail to examine this crucial fact in any depth?

    Years of aggressive, Zionist-friendly interventions in the Muslim world have dislocated millions of hapless souls. They're here because we're there. And it's we who started dropping bombs first. That fact is vital to remember. It identifies the cause as well as the initial wrongdoer. What's worse, this process is still underway.

    Thus, the story about unwanted Muslim refugees into the West in no way parallels the conundrum involving waves of (economic) refugees pouring into America from the Mexico.

    Please devote some time to making this distinction in a future article, Derb.

    And why, Mr. Derbyshire, are we waging serial warfare in the Middle East in the first place?

    Please don't dish up that 'war for oil' canard. That yarn has been a myth from the start. Even today, pro-Israel policies being imposed by Washington to keep Iranian oil off the global market. But why? This hurts consumers. The goal is to cause injury to Iran and to weaken Iran. This is an Israeli objective. And it keeps happening.

    Zionized Washington did the the same to Saddam Hussein (preventing him from selling oil) before we finally bombed Iraq into oblivion. It never ends. And few speak out. Indeed, Zionist concerns generally trump domestic interests in Official Washington. Amazing, but true. These 'values' have cost countless US jobs, not to mention lives. Right now, Boeing is about to lose a huge export deal with Iran due to crypto-Israeli meddling. This is not unusual. Israel's preeminence over mere domestic interests is a permanent part of Washington. It's been this way for decades.

    When Nixon/Kissinger, for instance, saved Israel's ass during the Yom Kippur war, it precipitated the infamous 1973 Arab oil embargo. Economic fallout was vast, deep, and long-lasting. Incredibly, most Americans remain completely unaware of these facts.

    Pro-Zionist, US-conducted wars have pushed millions Iraqis, Syrians, Libyans and Palestinians out of their homelands and into the 'de-racialized' West. Unnecessary Anglo-Zionist aggression has given life and legitimacy to rising Muslim outrage. This is a real and worsening security issue. All Americans are affected. And it can be tied to Israel's hold on Washington. Yet Derb consistently fails address this matter or connect any dots. Why?

    Does Mr. Derbyshire suffer from avoidance anxiety? It sure looks that way.

    John Derbyshire--while contributing mightily to the otherwise empty 'national discussion on race'--is clearly too timid to forthrightly examine the harmful impact that decades of Zionist activism has had on immigration and other urgent matters, including the decline of white living standards.

    This should interest any honest immigration restrictionist. But not Derb.

    And who/what's behind the ongoing taboos that target white racial cohesion and identity?
    Any idea, Derb? It's not just the Leftwing 'social justice warriors'.

    As for Muslim immigration, Zio-Washington's needless annihilation of Iraq, Libya, Syria and Palestine has produced this wave of these refugees. Why not explore this phenomena closely and honestly?

    Derb's oversights are not a minor detail. They fit a pattern. Incredibly, Derb cites Israel as a shining example of what America should do about uninvited immigrants--yet never examines the key role that Zionist militarism and Zio-liberal 'anti-racist' activism has had on the white Western world.

    Derb's omissions are no aberration. I recall his negative review of MacDonald's seminal 'Culture of Critique' in American Conservative Magazine nearly 15 years ago.

    Derb therefore has a pretty good inkling about who's in mostly-in-charge and who's overwhelmingly responsible for America's preemptive wars, the lax immigration policies into the West (as opposed to Israel), and the subversive, demographic transformation of the Western world.

    But he dares not speak its name.

    Why not say it out loud, Derb?

    Why?

    Derb is scared.

    He's rolled-over on this subject previously and he's still looking the other way. It's an embarrassing pattern. And now Derb is pretending--yet again--that Israel's artificial centrality in American life is not particularly important and ultimately unrelated to the West's destructive trajectory.

    Derb's blithe attitude is foolish, disingenuous and craven.

    Like the tenured members of that long and boring list of safe and acceptable pundits who we see on TV and read in America's few surviving newspapers, Derb is terrified of being labeled an 'anti-Semite'. So he's taken a middle course.

    It could be worse, sure. But it certainly could be better.

    We've got plenty of Muslim-bashers already, Derb. And most anyone who has lived among blacks understands their numerous inadequacies.

    When will Derb step up to the plate, take a risk, and make a bold contribution?

    Until he and others take that step, countless Americans will believe that all it takes is another Mideast war to solve our security problems. But that avenue is a dead end. We've done enough needless damage there already. Let's set our course right by solving our problems here and respecting other nation's borders, just as we insist they do the same.

    Well said.

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  89. Blake says:
    @biz
    There is no credible plan under which Israel would annex Gaza, so those are irrelevant.

    The writer admitted he was naive about the whole affair. Gaza is a 24 by 7 mile concentration camp. As for being irrelevant reading your irrational comments I would say self projection.

    Both zionism and wahhabism have been supported for British imperialists geopolitical purposes in the region. They are twin cancers foisted on the people there. In the case of Palestine – a European alien imposition who has turned their lives upside down; created worlds largest/longest suffering refugee population which isnt irrelevant by any means unless you are one with incentives to squat in their stolen home which means I have no time for freeloading sociopaths such as yourself. Good day.

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  90. Bill says:
    @lavoisier
    Very well written article. I have been puzzled by Derb's inability to tackle in a direct manner the pernicious influence that the Jews have had on Western Civilization. I am not sure it is due to cowardice, although that may be a reasonable proposition given that any hint of anti-semitism can be career ending in his line of work. I think he is genuinely on the fence. He can see the damage that has been caused by Jewish persons controlling so many of our once trusted institutions, but I suspect he also recognizes their outsized intellectual contributions and is a genuine admirer of the Jewish people.

    I must confess that I am a little on the fence on this issue as well. My own feeling is that Jewish contributions have significantly outweighed their destuctive tendencies in Western nations so long as the Jews don't get too much control over these societies. Once they gain too much control, they really fuck up these civilizations big time primarily because of their genuine anti-gentilism, which is at least as virulent a force as is anti-semitism. This eventually harms them too as a once stable and prosperous nation is destroyed by these destructive impulses. This is unfortunately the state that we are now in today, and it could well lead to a nuclear war if their control remains unchallenged. I think must readers on this site recognize that the hostility towards Putin is driven by their current overwhelming control of our society.

    But ultimately it is shameful for the goyim to have allowed their societies to be hijacked in the first place, and we are ultimately responsible for the current state we are in. Thank people like the Bush clan, McCain, Romney, Ryan, Blair and countless others for their treason and betrayal of their own people.

    In summary, it is neither good for us or for the Jews that they now exert overwhelming control over our civilization. This IS perhaps the most critically important issue facing Western Civilization today, and Derb, as one of our leading intellectuals, is going to eventually have to face this issue with more honesty if he is to be in the vanguard of our thought leaders.

    I have been puzzled by Derb’s inability to tackle in a direct manner the pernicious influence that the Jews have had on Western Civilization. I am not sure it is due to cowardice, although that may be a reasonable proposition given that any hint of anti-semitism can be career ending in his line of work.

    I’d say he’s pretty clear about it:

    One evening early on in my career as an opinion journalist in the USA, I found myself in a roomful of mainstream conservative types standing around in groups and gossiping. Because I was new to the scene, many of the names they were tossing about were unknown to me, so I could not take much part in the conversation. Then I caught one name that I recognized. I had just recently read and admired a piece published in Chronicles under that name. I gathered from the conversation that the owner of the name had once been a regular contributor to much more widely read conservative publications, the kind that have salaried congressional correspondents and full-service LexisNexis accounts, but that he was welcome at those august portals no longer. In all innocence, I asked why this was so. “Oh,” explained one of my companions, “he got the Jew thing.” The others in our group all nodded their understanding. Apparently no further explanation was required. The Jew thing. It was said in the kind of tone you might use of an automobile with a cracked engine block, or a house with subsiding foundations. Nothing to be done with him, poor fellow. No use to anybody now. Got the Jew thing. They shoot horses, don’t they?

    Plainly, getting the Jew thing was a sort of occupational hazard of conservative journalism in the United States, an exceptionally lethal one, which the career-wise writer should strive to avoid. I resolved that I would do my best, so far as personal integrity allowed, not to get the Jew thing. I had better make it clear to the reader that at the time of writing, I have not yet got the Jew thing—that I am in fact a philoSemite and a well-wisher of Israel, for reasons I have explained in various places, none of them difficult for the nimble web surfer to find.

    You go on to say:

    This IS perhaps the most critically important issue facing Western Civilization today, and Derb, as one of our leading intellectuals, is going to eventually have to face this issue with more honesty if he is to be in the vanguard of our thought leaders.

    He’s 71. He’s not going to have an anti-semitic conversion experience.

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    You are never too old to learn new things.

    Derb does not need to become an anti-semite (hating Jews as Jews). But he has to be more honest about the disproportionate control that the Jews have over our society today and whether that control is a good thing or not. I think this control has been highly destructive to our nation and our civilization, and I don't think it is good for the Jewish people either.

    Stating that he is a philosemite does not address this issue in a forthright manner. He is honest about the enormous Jewish contributions to Western Civilization. But I think he needs to be far more honest about the dangerous hostility towards the gentile that is often on display by our Jewish elites, and how that hostility is harming the civilization that he loves. I think this hostility, and the traitorous behavior of the multiple cucks, has created the current mess we are now in with massive and unnecessary immigration, among other preventable evils.

    Anti-gentilism is as much an evil as is anti-semitism, and it is long past time that it is recognized for the pernicious evil that it is.
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  91. nsa says:

    The present PM of the jooie state learned to deal with Americans as a furniture salesman in Philadelphia i.e. utter contempt for the goyim morons paying above retail for crap sticks that barely survive the ride in the delivery van…..mostly sold on a usurious installment plan.

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  92. @iffen
    Why do Arabs and/or Muslims care more about Israel than, for instance, the Chinese oppression of Uyghur Muslims (recently evidenced by the Chinese state demolishing 5000 mosques within a span of a few months)?

    Because to the Islamic mind, control of Jerusalem is what matters.

    What do have to back this?

    I have never read a good explanation as to why they attacked Israel in 1948. I always just assumed it was because they were devout Jew-haters.

    “I always just assumed it was because they were devout Jew-haters.”

    A cursory review of Jewish Muslim relations before the rise of the “synagogue of satan” would decisively show that historically Jews ran to Muslims for protection from Christian Europeans who were indeed “devout Jew-haters”.

    And if we consult the Jewish accounts of pogroms prior to ’48, every single instance involves Christian nations. (There is some dispute regarding the post ’48 events in Iraq, etc., with the contrary view being that these were Zionists false flags to affect migration of Jews to the entity.)

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    I don’t think you have provided me with any useful information. I am aware that European Christians persecuted Jews from time to time, especially the Papists, oops!, I mean the Roman Catholics. But then they were into persecuting all manner of heretics real and imagined, so it is of little value to say that they persecuted Jews.

    I am also aware that various Muslim rulers were lenient toward and solicitous of Jews from time to time, much like various European rulers who at times needed need loans, tax revenue and tax farmers.

    As I said, I have never seen a good explanation of why the Arab countries attacked Israel in 1948 and that stands.
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  93. Art says:
    @Johann Ricke

    eh, isn’t the reason the whole lot of them hate us and israel because we fuck around in the middle east? why are we fucking around in the middle east anyway? there is nothing to gain for the usa.
     
    Long before the advent of modern Israel:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_conquest_of_Afghanistan
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamicisation_and_Turkicisation_of_Xinjiang
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests_of_the_Indian_subcontinent
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_the_Maghreb
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_Transoxiana
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_Egypt
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_the_Levant
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_Persia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tours
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_Constantinople
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vienna

    We're involved in the Middle East for the same reason we were involved in Asia, Africa and Europe during WWII - to prevent potential adversaries from building an empire so big we cannot resist them if/when they turn their attention to us. What we do is standard operating procedure for just about every great power in history. Now - some people say that this did not prevent other empires from collapsing. While that's true, the small powers that stood aside tended to end up being conquered - either submitting peacefully or resisting and suffering significant bloodshed. Name one neutral power that hasn't been annexed over thousands of years. Even Switzerland was overrun by Napoleon. The only reason it wasn't overrun more recently is because Hitler lost.

    We’re involved in the Middle East for the same reason we were involved in Asia, Africa and Europe during WWII – to prevent potential adversaries from building an empire so big we cannot resist them if/when they turn their attention to us.

    Oh my — another Ziombie hateful fearmongering geopolitical genius begging America to make war for Israel.

    What Muslim nation seriously threatens America? Is there one Muslim nation that can build a tank – let along an airplane?

    Europe and America are very mindful of the immigration problem – unchecked immigration is about to end.

    The average Muslim – like most other people want a better life – not war.

    Peace — Art

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    The average Muslim – like most other people want a better life – not war.
     
    They want a better life and after-life. Muslims have traditionally sought to achieve both by conquering non-Muslim lands, taking conquered peoples as slaves and confiscating their material wealth as war booty. Raymond Ibrahim on the Muslim concept of conquest as religious obligation:

    Meanwhile, as U.S. textbooks equivocate about the Muslim conquests, in the schoolrooms of the Muslim world, the conquests are not only taught as a matter of course, but are glorified: their rapidity and decisiveness are regularly portrayed as evidence that Allah was in fact on the side of the Muslims (and will be again, so long as Muslims uphold their communal duty of waging jihad).

    The dissimulation of how Islam was spread in the early centuries contained in Western textbook's mirrors the way the word jihad, once inextricable to the conquests, has also been recast. Whereas the word jihad has throughout the centuries simply meant armed warfare on behalf of Islam, in recent years, American students have been taught the Sufi interpretation of jihad—Sufis make up perhaps one percent of the Islamic world and are often seen as heretics with aberrant interpretations—which portrays jihad as a "spiritual-struggle" against one's vices.

    Contrast this definition of jihad with that of an early edition of the venerable Encyclopaedia of Islam. Its opening sentence simply states, "The spread of Islam by arms is a religious duty upon Muslims in general.… Jihad must continue to be done until the whole world is under the rule of Islam.… Islam must completely be made over before the doctrine of jihad [warfare to spread Islam] can be eliminated." Muslim legal manuals written in Arabic are even more explicit.

    Likewise, the Islamic conquests narrated in the Muslim histories often mirror the doctrinal obligations laid out in Islam's theological texts—the Koran and Hadith. Muslim historians often justify the actions of the early Islamic invaders by juxtaposing the jihad injunctions found in Islamic scriptures.

    It should also be noted that, to Muslims, the Islamic conquests are seen as acts of altruism: they are referred to as futuh, which literally means "openings"—that is, the countries conquered were "opened" for the light of Islam to enter and guide its infidel inhabitants. Thus to Muslims, there is nothing to regret or apologize for concerning the conquests; they are seen as for the good of those who were conquered (i.e., the ancestors of today's Muslims).
     
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  94. Sam Shama says:
    @5371
    [A hundred years ago there were Jews and Arabs living in that part of the Ottoman Empire. After the Ottoman collapse, both peoples had a right to set up their own ethnostates.]

    No, the Jews were not nearly sufficiently numerous, contiguous, or long established in the area they demanded to claim that. In any case, the right comparison for them would be Maronites or Copts, not "Arabs". Only the Jews got a state to dominate by themselves.

    Setting aside that I beg to mildly disagree with your depiction of the area in 1948, you give the impression that you believe in a history of formation of nation-states as the meticulously fair outcomes of an invisible hand at work.

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    It's JD who spoke of "the right to set up their ethnostates".
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  95. @jacques sheete

    We’re involved in the Middle East for the same reason we were involved in Asia, Africa and Europe during WWII – to prevent potential adversaries from building an empire so big we cannot resist them if/when they turn their attention to us.
     
    That's not the only reason, and fewer people these days are buying it as such.


    Yeah, I know this guy was a “self loathing Jew,” and anyone who posts this must be an “anti-Semite” or whatever. Yeah, yeah, save it. We’ve heard all that rubbish before.


    Here in the United States, the Zionists and their co-religionists have complete control of our government. For many reasons, too many and too complex to go into here at this time, the Zionists and their co-religionists rule these United States as though they were the absolute monarchs of this country. Now you may say that is a very broad statement, but let me show you what happened while we were all asleep.

    - Benjamin H. Freedman, Benjamin Freedman Speaks: A Jewish Defector Warns America (1961)
     

    That’s not the only reason, and fewer people these days are buying it as such.

    There are lots of secondary reasons we do these things, but the primary reason is the same reason other great powers have done them in the past – to keep the wolf away from the door.

    Yeah, I know this guy was a “self loathing Jew,” and anyone who posts this must be an “anti-Semite” or whatever. Yeah, yeah, save it. We’ve heard all that rubbish before.

    I’m not sure what the point of this segue is. The grim reality is that the Islamic Manifesto (aka the Koran) pre-dates, and has outlasted, its Marxist counterpart by over a millennium, and the primary factors keeping Islam’s 1.6b people within its present borders are (1) the non-Muslim world’s technological superiority and (2) various efforts by outside powers to prevent it from coalescing into a unitary empire. As Churchill once wrote:

    How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries, improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

    A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement, the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

    Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.

    To paraphrase Trotsky, you may not be interested in Islam, but Islam is interested in you.

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    various efforts by outside powers to prevent it from coalescing into a unitary empire.

    So, the main impediment to the mother of all Pan-Arabic Empires is the arming of various groups by the Western powers? Realpolitik at its finest.

    I thought of this in terms of the Iraqi Army collapse, which one I forget, where they ran off and left tons of modern weaponry that was collected by rebels. The US has trouble arming rebels at times for various reasons, and it occurred to me that this was a perfect way to arm rebels indirectly.
    , @jacques sheete

    There are lots of secondary reasons we do these things, but the primary reason is the same reason other great powers have done them in the past – to keep the wolf away from the door.
     
    I'd like to know how you came to that conclusion.

    Anyway, it's my contention that "keeping the wolf from the door" is the main pretext (as opposed to reason) traditionally used to unify people to support the ruling classes of a given state.

    In other words, the usually abusive ruling classes need an enemy other than themselves in order to get the lower classes to do their bidding, and to divert attention to a bigger threat, usually imagined.

    As far as the "segue," all you have to do is read the whole thing.The "grim reality" is exactly what Freedman said it was.


    How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries!
     
    What dreadful curses do the Talmudists lay upon the goyim?
    , @Bill
    If you can't see that Islam is no threat whatsoever and shows absolutely no tendency to become a threat in the foreseeable future, then you should really stop trying to think about these things.
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  96. @NickG

    Didn’t we boot Brits out of USA a few centuries ago?
     
    This 'we' rather misses the point.

    The American Revolutionary war that resulted in US independence from Britain in 1776, was America's first civil war.

    At that time most of the 3.2 million or so white settlers in North America (1790 census) and their descendants, along the settled Eastern part of what is presently the US, were of British stock. Indeed, some 80% were English.

    You can see this to this day in the number of British surnames to be found amongst un-hyphenated Americans. This is reflected in the founding fathers, many of whom were similarly of British extraction, including Benjamin Franklin, George Washington, John Adams, James Madison and Thomas Jefferson.

    This is why Americans, to this day, speak a dialect of English.

    We Brits and you Americans are of the same tribe; John Derbyshire is amongst kin, even if his vowels are somewhat more rounded.

    “The American Revolutionary war that resulted in US independence from Britain in 1776, was America’s first civil war. “

    My, what a forked tongue you have. If we accept your revisionist narrative, shouldn’t that be “yet another British civil war”?

    We are not the British. We gave the finger to your “divine right of Kings’, we bow before no man, and we ain’t got no “Lords” lording it over us:

    Got that NickG? An American Nation.

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    , @NickG

    shouldn’t that be “yet another British civil war”?
     
    That's certainly a reasonable way of looking at it too, given the bulk of protagonists - on both sides - were British and on the American side, of recent English stock bolstered by Ulster Scots, Welsh and Scots. The second largest group - fewer than 10% being of German origin.

    Ironically enough, the Crown/ Loyalist forces did employ a considerable number of Hessian - that is to say German - mercenaries, around 30,000.

    Even 1790 figures show settlers of British stock represented the bulk of Americans, some 80% - that's after many Loyalists had left America for Canada, the Bahamas and elsewhere.

    There is no doubt that the American Revolutionary war was, in essence, a civil war between ethnic Britons.

    This is so irrespective of your put out tone, which seems unnecessary.

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  97. @Art
    We’re involved in the Middle East for the same reason we were involved in Asia, Africa and Europe during WWII – to prevent potential adversaries from building an empire so big we cannot resist them if/when they turn their attention to us.

    Oh my --- another Ziombie hateful fearmongering geopolitical genius begging America to make war for Israel.

    What Muslim nation seriously threatens America? Is there one Muslim nation that can build a tank – let along an airplane?

    Europe and America are very mindful of the immigration problem – unchecked immigration is about to end.

    The average Muslim – like most other people want a better life – not war.

    Peace --- Art

    p.s. Humanity is moving on – non-lethal cyber war is the new game.

    The average Muslim – like most other people want a better life – not war.

    They want a better life and after-life. Muslims have traditionally sought to achieve both by conquering non-Muslim lands, taking conquered peoples as slaves and confiscating their material wealth as war booty. Raymond Ibrahim on the Muslim concept of conquest as religious obligation:

    Meanwhile, as U.S. textbooks equivocate about the Muslim conquests, in the schoolrooms of the Muslim world, the conquests are not only taught as a matter of course, but are glorified: their rapidity and decisiveness are regularly portrayed as evidence that Allah was in fact on the side of the Muslims (and will be again, so long as Muslims uphold their communal duty of waging jihad).

    The dissimulation of how Islam was spread in the early centuries contained in Western textbook’s mirrors the way the word jihad, once inextricable to the conquests, has also been recast. Whereas the word jihad has throughout the centuries simply meant armed warfare on behalf of Islam, in recent years, American students have been taught the Sufi interpretation of jihad—Sufis make up perhaps one percent of the Islamic world and are often seen as heretics with aberrant interpretations—which portrays jihad as a “spiritual-struggle” against one’s vices.

    Contrast this definition of jihad with that of an early edition of the venerable Encyclopaedia of Islam. Its opening sentence simply states, “The spread of Islam by arms is a religious duty upon Muslims in general.… Jihad must continue to be done until the whole world is under the rule of Islam.… Islam must completely be made over before the doctrine of jihad [warfare to spread Islam] can be eliminated.” Muslim legal manuals written in Arabic are even more explicit.

    Likewise, the Islamic conquests narrated in the Muslim histories often mirror the doctrinal obligations laid out in Islam’s theological texts—the Koran and Hadith. Muslim historians often justify the actions of the early Islamic invaders by juxtaposing the jihad injunctions found in Islamic scriptures.

    It should also be noted that, to Muslims, the Islamic conquests are seen as acts of altruism: they are referred to as futuh, which literally means “openings”—that is, the countries conquered were “opened” for the light of Islam to enter and guide its infidel inhabitants. Thus to Muslims, there is nothing to regret or apologize for concerning the conquests; they are seen as for the good of those who were conquered (i.e., the ancestors of today’s Muslims).

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    Art: The average Muslim – like most other people want a better life – not war.

    Muslims have traditionally sought to achieve both by conquering non-Muslim lands, taking conquered peoples as slaves and confiscating their material wealth as war booty.

     

    I think that was maybe 300 or 400 years ago – in those days it was swords and the like. Where are the Muslims going to get the modern weapons to take out the West?

    With that said, not much has happened until the Jews stole a big portion of Palestine.

    Maybe we should just fix that problem and forget WWIII.

    Peace --- Art
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  98. iffen says:
    @survey-of-disinfo
    "I always just assumed it was because they were devout Jew-haters."

    A cursory review of Jewish Muslim relations before the rise of the "synagogue of satan" would decisively show that historically Jews ran to Muslims for protection from Christian Europeans who were indeed "devout Jew-haters".

    And if we consult the Jewish accounts of pogroms prior to '48, every single instance involves Christian nations. (There is some dispute regarding the post '48 events in Iraq, etc., with the contrary view being that these were Zionists false flags to affect migration of Jews to the entity.)

    https://youtu.be/th7euZ30wDE

    I don’t think you have provided me with any useful information. I am aware that European Christians persecuted Jews from time to time, especially the Papists, oops!, I mean the Roman Catholics. But then they were into persecuting all manner of heretics real and imagined, so it is of little value to say that they persecuted Jews.

    I am also aware that various Muslim rulers were lenient toward and solicitous of Jews from time to time, much like various European rulers who at times needed need loans, tax revenue and tax farmers.

    As I said, I have never seen a good explanation of why the Arab countries attacked Israel in 1948 and that stands.

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    [..never seen a good explanation of why the Arab countries attacked Israel in 1948]

    Mostly because they thought they'd win - it was newly minted "modern-military" muscle flexing by those states mixed with the remnants of Third Reich seeded jew hatred - overturning, perhaps the first instance of state formation through a consensus of the ruling powers and the endorsement of the U.N.

    So, really, the Arabs got what they bargained for, and the Pals suffered as a result of it.

    , @survey-of-disinfo

    "I don’t think you have provided me with any useful information.
     
    Sure I have. I have given you sufficient information to dispel your stated assumptions:

    I always just assumed it was because they were devout Jew-haters.
     
    Ok, so "devout Jew-hatred" is off the table!

    That should narrow down the list of reason why an indigenous population would "attack" (defend against?) Eastern and Central European Zionists who have decided to make claims to their land.

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  99. iffen says:
    @Johann Ricke

    That’s not the only reason, and fewer people these days are buying it as such.
     
    There are lots of secondary reasons we do these things, but the primary reason is the same reason other great powers have done them in the past - to keep the wolf away from the door.

    Yeah, I know this guy was a “self loathing Jew,” and anyone who posts this must be an “anti-Semite” or whatever. Yeah, yeah, save it. We’ve heard all that rubbish before.
     
    I'm not sure what the point of this segue is. The grim reality is that the Islamic Manifesto (aka the Koran) pre-dates, and has outlasted, its Marxist counterpart by over a millennium, and the primary factors keeping Islam's 1.6b people within its present borders are (1) the non-Muslim world's technological superiority and (2) various efforts by outside powers to prevent it from coalescing into a unitary empire. As Churchill once wrote:

    How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries, improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

    A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement, the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

    Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.
     
    To paraphrase Trotsky, you may not be interested in Islam, but Islam is interested in you.

    various efforts by outside powers to prevent it from coalescing into a unitary empire.

    So, the main impediment to the mother of all Pan-Arabic Empires is the arming of various groups by the Western powers? Realpolitik at its finest.

    I thought of this in terms of the Iraqi Army collapse, which one I forget, where they ran off and left tons of modern weaponry that was collected by rebels. The US has trouble arming rebels at times for various reasons, and it occurred to me that this was a perfect way to arm rebels indirectly.

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  100. @survey-of-disinfo
    "The American Revolutionary war that resulted in US independence from Britain in 1776, was America’s first civil war. "

    My, what a forked tongue you have. If we accept your revisionist narrative, shouldn't that be "yet another British civil war"?

    https://youtu.be/njFOIvoN9pc

    We are not the British. We gave the finger to your "divine right of Kings', we bow before no man, and we ain't got no "Lords" lording it over us:

    https://youtu.be/EGgaXXBkE8A

    Got that NickG? An American Nation.
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  101. Agent76 says:

    January 5, 2017 Israeli soldier gets manslaughter conviction for executing wounded Palestinian  – Published on January 04, 2017 

    In a statement, the Palestinian foreign ministry slammed Israel for handing down a lenient sentence to Elor Azaria, who’s been found guilty of manslaughter. The statement also accused Tel Aviv of trying to attract International reactions through convicting the soldier.  

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/01/05/israeli-soldier-gets-manslaughter-conviction-for-executing-wounded-palestinian/

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  102. utu says:

    Now when Israel has upper hand and just got $38 billions from Obama and is going to get green light for everything it wants to do under the Trump regime John Derbyshire tells us that “Israel Is NOT That Important to America.” Yes, right. Pretty, pretty smooth Mr. Derbyshire. What a ziocuck he is.

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  103. Israel is important to some groups(e.g. Christian Zionists) and the pressure they put on some politicians. For the average Trump voter, Israel is not a major issue, just like in the Democratic Party. The ADL thinks American Liberalism is the Jewish religion, not the Zionism of the Baby Boomers.

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  104. Sean says:
    @Art

    A war in which sees the toppling what officially calls itself The Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan by Sunni radical would be the only way out for Israel, if the US was willing and able to take the heat for it.
     
    First, it is official - Jews are not democrats - the will of the residents of these countries have no say in these matters - the must go along with the bloody Jew agenda - their freedom of choice means nothing to the Jew.

    Second - why would the US expend any more moral capital on Israel?

    "if the US was willing" - the American people are not "willing" - only our quisling government.

    Peace --- Art

    https://news.vice.com/article/the-great-wall-of-jordan-how-the-us-wants-to-keep-the-islamic-state-out

    Obama did that, and everyone in the US establishment agrees.This is a part of the elite’s plan to solve the middle east problem by dissolving the Jewish state of Israel with a Palestinian state in the West Bank

    It is not a benefit to Israel to keep Islamic state out of Jordan, which surrendered the claim to sovereignty over the West Bank, in 1988. The US defence of Jordan is is preserving untenable position for Israel. Obama is just following the longstanding bipartisan US policy for a Palestinian state and it is inevitable unless there is some cataclysmic change in the corelation of forces: Israel is running out of ideas.

    On the course already set, Israel will become a non Jewish state and disintegrate as most |Jews leave it., every knowledgeable strategist( for instance Van Ceveld, Mearsheimer and Ehud Barak who knows more than anyone having been head of Israeli intelligence as well as PM) have said this. The Palestinians are sitting tight, and they turned down Barak’s offer at Camp David, because they know time is on their side .

    America is going to be blamed for Israel failing, and the people doing the blaming are not without influence; they will wreak a terrible revenge. The best thing for the US is creative withdrawal from Jordan and making sure Israel has implicit backing to take radical action..

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    This is a part of the elite’s plan to solve the middle east problem by dissolving the Jewish state of Israel with a Palestinian state in the West Bank.

    Is that not hyperbolic – how is a West Bank Palestinian state going to dissolve Israel – really, they have 200 nukes – killer missiles, fighters, submarines, military satellites, the most moral army in the world, and the quisling US government! (Gee - how did they get all that killing power?)

    Your words and the facts do not add up.

    Peace --- Art

    p.s. Another comment like that and we will have to see what floor you are on in Hasbara Central (the biggest tallest busiest building in all of Israel).
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  105. utu says:
    @Mark Green
    This was a hopelessly unoriginal and uninspiring essay. Not Derb's first I might add. Please compare this article with his previous screed about "Murdering Muslims".

    Yes, Mr. Derbyshire does give voice to those of us who wish to protect our civilization from debasement-via-immigration, but his omissions do damage, too.

    Surely Derb must understand that the wave of 'murderous Muslims' into Europe (and N. America) is a by-product of Zio-Washington's murderous onslaught. Does he not?

    So why then does he consistently fail to examine this crucial fact in any depth?

    Years of aggressive, Zionist-friendly interventions in the Muslim world have dislocated millions of hapless souls. They're here because we're there. And it's we who started dropping bombs first. That fact is vital to remember. It identifies the cause as well as the initial wrongdoer. What's worse, this process is still underway.

    Thus, the story about unwanted Muslim refugees into the West in no way parallels the conundrum involving waves of (economic) refugees pouring into America from the Mexico.

    Please devote some time to making this distinction in a future article, Derb.

    And why, Mr. Derbyshire, are we waging serial warfare in the Middle East in the first place?

    Please don't dish up that 'war for oil' canard. That yarn has been a myth from the start. Even today, pro-Israel policies being imposed by Washington to keep Iranian oil off the global market. But why? This hurts consumers. The goal is to cause injury to Iran and to weaken Iran. This is an Israeli objective. And it keeps happening.

    Zionized Washington did the the same to Saddam Hussein (preventing him from selling oil) before we finally bombed Iraq into oblivion. It never ends. And few speak out. Indeed, Zionist concerns generally trump domestic interests in Official Washington. Amazing, but true. These 'values' have cost countless US jobs, not to mention lives. Right now, Boeing is about to lose a huge export deal with Iran due to crypto-Israeli meddling. This is not unusual. Israel's preeminence over mere domestic interests is a permanent part of Washington. It's been this way for decades.

    When Nixon/Kissinger, for instance, saved Israel's ass during the Yom Kippur war, it precipitated the infamous 1973 Arab oil embargo. Economic fallout was vast, deep, and long-lasting. Incredibly, most Americans remain completely unaware of these facts.

    Pro-Zionist, US-conducted wars have pushed millions Iraqis, Syrians, Libyans and Palestinians out of their homelands and into the 'de-racialized' West. Unnecessary Anglo-Zionist aggression has given life and legitimacy to rising Muslim outrage. This is a real and worsening security issue. All Americans are affected. And it can be tied to Israel's hold on Washington. Yet Derb consistently fails address this matter or connect any dots. Why?

    Does Mr. Derbyshire suffer from avoidance anxiety? It sure looks that way.

    John Derbyshire--while contributing mightily to the otherwise empty 'national discussion on race'--is clearly too timid to forthrightly examine the harmful impact that decades of Zionist activism has had on immigration and other urgent matters, including the decline of white living standards.

    This should interest any honest immigration restrictionist. But not Derb.

    And who/what's behind the ongoing taboos that target white racial cohesion and identity?
    Any idea, Derb? It's not just the Leftwing 'social justice warriors'.

    As for Muslim immigration, Zio-Washington's needless annihilation of Iraq, Libya, Syria and Palestine has produced this wave of these refugees. Why not explore this phenomena closely and honestly?

    Derb's oversights are not a minor detail. They fit a pattern. Incredibly, Derb cites Israel as a shining example of what America should do about uninvited immigrants--yet never examines the key role that Zionist militarism and Zio-liberal 'anti-racist' activism has had on the white Western world.

    Derb's omissions are no aberration. I recall his negative review of MacDonald's seminal 'Culture of Critique' in American Conservative Magazine nearly 15 years ago.

    Derb therefore has a pretty good inkling about who's in mostly-in-charge and who's overwhelmingly responsible for America's preemptive wars, the lax immigration policies into the West (as opposed to Israel), and the subversive, demographic transformation of the Western world.

    But he dares not speak its name.

    Why not say it out loud, Derb?

    Why?

    Derb is scared.

    He's rolled-over on this subject previously and he's still looking the other way. It's an embarrassing pattern. And now Derb is pretending--yet again--that Israel's artificial centrality in American life is not particularly important and ultimately unrelated to the West's destructive trajectory.

    Derb's blithe attitude is foolish, disingenuous and craven.

    Like the tenured members of that long and boring list of safe and acceptable pundits who we see on TV and read in America's few surviving newspapers, Derb is terrified of being labeled an 'anti-Semite'. So he's taken a middle course.

    It could be worse, sure. But it certainly could be better.

    We've got plenty of Muslim-bashers already, Derb. And most anyone who has lived among blacks understands their numerous inadequacies.

    When will Derb step up to the plate, take a risk, and make a bold contribution?

    Until he and others take that step, countless Americans will believe that all it takes is another Mideast war to solve our security problems. But that avenue is a dead end. We've done enough needless damage there already. Let's set our course right by solving our problems here and respecting other nation's borders, just as we insist they do the same.

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  106. utu says:
    @WorkingClass
    Israel is waaaaaaay more important to Washington than say Texas where I live. If Bibi says the sky is blue he gets a long standing ovation from the American Congress. You are a curious and intelligent fellow Derb. Why is the Zionist Entity so absurdly important to Imperial Washington?

    “You are a curious and intelligent fellow Derb. Why is the Zionist Entity so absurdly important to Imperial Washington?”

    His intelligence tells him when to curtail curiosity.

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  107. @Johann Ricke

    That’s not the only reason, and fewer people these days are buying it as such.
     
    There are lots of secondary reasons we do these things, but the primary reason is the same reason other great powers have done them in the past - to keep the wolf away from the door.

    Yeah, I know this guy was a “self loathing Jew,” and anyone who posts this must be an “anti-Semite” or whatever. Yeah, yeah, save it. We’ve heard all that rubbish before.
     
    I'm not sure what the point of this segue is. The grim reality is that the Islamic Manifesto (aka the Koran) pre-dates, and has outlasted, its Marxist counterpart by over a millennium, and the primary factors keeping Islam's 1.6b people within its present borders are (1) the non-Muslim world's technological superiority and (2) various efforts by outside powers to prevent it from coalescing into a unitary empire. As Churchill once wrote:

    How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries, improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

    A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement, the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

    Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.
     
    To paraphrase Trotsky, you may not be interested in Islam, but Islam is interested in you.

    There are lots of secondary reasons we do these things, but the primary reason is the same reason other great powers have done them in the past – to keep the wolf away from the door.

    I’d like to know how you came to that conclusion.

    Anyway, it’s my contention that “keeping the wolf from the door” is the main pretext (as opposed to reason) traditionally used to unify people to support the ruling classes of a given state.

    In other words, the usually abusive ruling classes need an enemy other than themselves in order to get the lower classes to do their bidding, and to divert attention to a bigger threat, usually imagined.

    As far as the “segue,” all you have to do is read the whole thing.The “grim reality” is exactly what Freedman said it was.

    How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries!

    What dreadful curses do the Talmudists lay upon the goyim?

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  108. @SIMPLE
    Could you do some math columns please?

    I find myself, later in life, wishing I had learned more. I was pretty decent at it, but really more of an equal math/verbal person. And never pursued it as much as I could have.

    I didn't really even know the scope of the different fields of advanced math. But I have bought some Dover paperbacks and skim them. (Too lazy to really work the problems--I still work, but in business so it would do me no good.) But even just skimming the paperbacks gives you at least a feel for the scope of courses like PDEs or Complex Analysis. But I still am not sure really what is all out there. Wikipedia is useless since it doesn't put things in context (like what math course teaches you polylogs and what types of engineering problems if any are they useful for), but wants to play definition, theorem, lemma crap.

    Have you tried Khan Academy?

    https://www.khanacademy.org/

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  109. utu says:
    @dearieme
    "It may also exist in Europe but I haven’t heard of it there." All American bad habits spread to Europe. So you just need to decide whether it's a bad habit.

    BDS is stronger inEurope than in the US. In the US there are anti-boycott laws protecting Israel. Some of them already enacted in 1970s. If you were a corporation you would be aware of it. But general public was not told about it for the usual reason to not alert people to the power of Israel and Jewish lobby.

    https://www.law360.com/articles/533003/us-anti-boycott-laws-top-5-things-exporters-should-know

    There is even a special outfit in Dept. of Commerce to protect Israel

    Office of Antiboycott Compliance (OAC)

    https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/enforcement/oac

    “The Bureau is charged with administering and enforcing the Antiboycott Laws under the Export Administration Act. Those laws discourage, and in some circumstances, prohibit U.S. companies from furthering or supporting the boycott of Israel sponsored by the Arab League, and certain other countries, including complying with certain requests for information designed to verify compliance with the boycott. Compliance with such requests may be prohibited by the Export Administration Regulations (EAR) and may be reportable to the Bureau.”

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  110. Bill says:
    @Johann Ricke

    That’s not the only reason, and fewer people these days are buying it as such.
     
    There are lots of secondary reasons we do these things, but the primary reason is the same reason other great powers have done them in the past - to keep the wolf away from the door.

    Yeah, I know this guy was a “self loathing Jew,” and anyone who posts this must be an “anti-Semite” or whatever. Yeah, yeah, save it. We’ve heard all that rubbish before.
     
    I'm not sure what the point of this segue is. The grim reality is that the Islamic Manifesto (aka the Koran) pre-dates, and has outlasted, its Marxist counterpart by over a millennium, and the primary factors keeping Islam's 1.6b people within its present borders are (1) the non-Muslim world's technological superiority and (2) various efforts by outside powers to prevent it from coalescing into a unitary empire. As Churchill once wrote:

    How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries, improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

    A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement, the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

    Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.
     
    To paraphrase Trotsky, you may not be interested in Islam, but Islam is interested in you.

    If you can’t see that Islam is no threat whatsoever and shows absolutely no tendency to become a threat in the foreseeable future, then you should really stop trying to think about these things.

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  111. biz says:
    @Rich
    It is interesting that people who mostly came from Central and Eastern Europe have adopted a Middle Eastern country as their homeland because some of the people living there have adopted a similar religion. Kind of proves that those Europeans who felt that Jews were disloyal to the countries in which they they were born, had a point.
    Perhaps Ferdinand and Isabella were right in their actions back in the 15th century.

    When it comes to hyperventilating about Israel, is there no limit to the number of falsehoods that people will stick into a sentence?

    First of all, the majority of Israeli Jews are descended from Jews who were ethnically cleansed from Arab and Muslim countries, not central and Eastern Europe.

    Secondly, the original Zionist idea was not driven by religious affiliation – most were secular – but rather by the peoplehood of the Jewish people, which has been proven time and again by every shred of genetic, historical, and cultural considerations.

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    Gypsies have more "peoplehood" than the "peoplehood of the Jewish people". Where's their state?
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  112. biz says:
    @jacques sheete

    Yes, the sky is always falling. Especially when you have big governments.
     
    Here's some insight into one source of the hysteria. (There are others, mostly commercial.)

    For war is essentially the health of the State...And it is precisely in war that the urgency for union seems greatest, and the necessity for universality seems most unquestioned. The State is the organization of the herd to act offensively or defensively against another herd similarly organized. The more terrifying the occasion for defense, the closer will become the organization and the more coercive the influence upon each member of the herd. War sends the current of purpose and activity flowing down to the lowest levels of the herd, and to its remote branches. All the activities of society are linked together as fast as possible to this central purpose of making a military offensive or military defense, and the State becomes what in peacetimes it has vainly struggled to become—the inexorable arbiter and determinant of men’s businesses and attitudes and opinions.

    _Randolph Bourne, The State, (1918)

    http://fair-use.org/randolph-bourne/the-state/

     

    I don’t understand your comment but I think that you were trying to make some sort of case that the Islamist threat is a boogieman cooked up by MIC interests, or something like that.

    The present-day rape victims across Europe, the beheaded Thai Buddhist priests, the Yezidis put in mass sexual slavery, and the 3000 bodies buried under the World Trade Center would disagree with you, as would the Armenians of the Ottoman Empire, the residents of Vienna in 1645, and its countless other victims over the centuries. Oh well.

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    The present-day rape victims across Europe

    Say Biz,

    The present-day rape victims across Europe, and 9/11, and the Iraq war, and Syria today, and dictatorships in Egypt and Jorden, and a permanent war footing in Lebanon - are the result of Zionism ---- this we all know to be true.

    Zionism needs to be fixed.

    Peace --- Art
    , @Anon-og
    right and we have how many disastrous wars and the killing of how many millions upon millions of muslims and others including the actual usage of Nuclear weapons as part of our legacy and we didn't need near as much time as Islam to do it, we did this in just the last 100 years.....so if muslims are monsters, then we must be exponentially worse..
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  113. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen
    I don’t think you have provided me with any useful information. I am aware that European Christians persecuted Jews from time to time, especially the Papists, oops!, I mean the Roman Catholics. But then they were into persecuting all manner of heretics real and imagined, so it is of little value to say that they persecuted Jews.

    I am also aware that various Muslim rulers were lenient toward and solicitous of Jews from time to time, much like various European rulers who at times needed need loans, tax revenue and tax farmers.

    As I said, I have never seen a good explanation of why the Arab countries attacked Israel in 1948 and that stands.

    [..never seen a good explanation of why the Arab countries attacked Israel in 1948]

    Mostly because they thought they’d win – it was newly minted “modern-military” muscle flexing by those states mixed with the remnants of Third Reich seeded jew hatred – overturning, perhaps the first instance of state formation through a consensus of the ruling powers and the endorsement of the U.N.

    So, really, the Arabs got what they bargained for, and the Pals suffered as a result of it.

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    the remnants of Third Reich seeded jew hatred

    Are you saying there was little Jew-hatred in the Arab world before H.?
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  114. Art says:
    @Sean
    https://news.vice.com/article/the-great-wall-of-jordan-how-the-us-wants-to-keep-the-islamic-state-out

    Obama did that, and everyone in the US establishment agrees.This is a part of the elite's plan to solve the middle east problem by dissolving the Jewish state of Israel with a Palestinian state in the West Bank

    It is not a benefit to Israel to keep Islamic state out of Jordan, which surrendered the claim to sovereignty over the West Bank, in 1988. The US defence of Jordan is is preserving untenable position for Israel. Obama is just following the longstanding bipartisan US policy for a Palestinian state and it is inevitable unless there is some cataclysmic change in the corelation of forces: Israel is running out of ideas.

    On the course already set, Israel will become a non Jewish state and disintegrate as most |Jews leave it., every knowledgeable strategist( for instance Van Ceveld, Mearsheimer and Ehud Barak who knows more than anyone having been head of Israeli intelligence as well as PM) have said this. The Palestinians are sitting tight, and they turned down Barak's offer at Camp David, because they know time is on their side .

    America is going to be blamed for Israel failing, and the people doing the blaming are not without influence; they will wreak a terrible revenge. The best thing for the US is creative withdrawal from Jordan and making sure Israel has implicit backing to take radical action..

    This is a part of the elite’s plan to solve the middle east problem by dissolving the Jewish state of Israel with a Palestinian state in the West Bank.

    Is that not hyperbolic – how is a West Bank Palestinian state going to dissolve Israel – really, they have 200 nukes – killer missiles, fighters, submarines, military satellites, the most moral army in the world, and the quisling US government! (Gee – how did they get all that killing power?)

    Your words and the facts do not add up.

    Peace — Art

    p.s. Another comment like that and we will have to see what floor you are on in Hasbara Central (the biggest tallest busiest building in all of Israel).

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    That is what the current policy of the US is, a West Bank Palestinian state (in addition to the existing east bank one of Jordan) but there can't be such a state, because of the Jewish settlements there and the influence of those settlements on Israeli politics. So Israel is faced with an increasingly impatient US leadership. Obama for example
    http://www.jta.org/2016/09/16/news-opinion/israel-middle-east/barak-netnayhaus-fight-with-obama-cost-israel-4-5b-in-defense-aid

    https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2017/01/the-un-resolution-condemning-israel-a-perfect-obam.html

    This is all the predictable (Mearsheimer and Carter foresaw it) outcome of stated US policy and nothing to do with Obama particularly, US policy requires something that the JEWISH state of Israel cannot survive: Arabs. Ehud Barak offered a lot at camp David because as Kevin MacDonald's executive summary of Mearsheiner explained:-


    The result is that the trends toward an “incipient apartheid state” will become a full-blown apartheid state “over the next decade.”
    “In the long run, however, Israel will not be able to maintain itself as an apartheid state. … It will eventually evolve into a democratic bi-national state whose politics will be dominated by the more numerous Palestinians.”
    An apartheid Israel is non-viable for several reasons: The information freely available on the Internet; continued outrage among the Arabs and Muslims; because it is “antithetical to core Western values”; because it endangers American lives; and because most American Jews will not back it.

    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2010/05/john-mearsheimer-and-the-future-of-israeli-apartheid/
     

    They'll will cause division in Israel and US, a futile debate about mutually incompatible courses of action if they stay, so they have to go. And for that Jordan has to fall. If the Russians crush all resistance in Syria it wont be possible so to save Israel the Russians have to be prevented from reconquering south Syria, and the only way to stop them is to apply a bit of pressure.
    , @nsa
    You missed Sean's point.....as English may not be your first language, let's explain it simply: better to give the jooies Jordan than have 6 million more joo-holes over here in the USA trying to run everything.
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  115. raphee says:
    @The Grate Deign
    One of the reasons Israel attracts our sympathy is that many of the people who hate Israel also hate America and the West.

    Well actually the people who hate America find American support for Israel the main reason for or hating America.

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    Well said.
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  116. @iffen
    I don’t think you have provided me with any useful information. I am aware that European Christians persecuted Jews from time to time, especially the Papists, oops!, I mean the Roman Catholics. But then they were into persecuting all manner of heretics real and imagined, so it is of little value to say that they persecuted Jews.

    I am also aware that various Muslim rulers were lenient toward and solicitous of Jews from time to time, much like various European rulers who at times needed need loans, tax revenue and tax farmers.

    As I said, I have never seen a good explanation of why the Arab countries attacked Israel in 1948 and that stands.

    “I don’t think you have provided me with any useful information.

    Sure I have. I have given you sufficient information to dispel your stated assumptions:

    I always just assumed it was because they were devout Jew-haters.

    Ok, so “devout Jew-hatred” is off the table!

    That should narrow down the list of reason why an indigenous population would “attack” (defend against?) Eastern and Central European Zionists who have decided to make claims to their land.

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    You need to change survey to purveyor.

    The Arab countries didn't even consult with the Palestinians before launching the attack.
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  117. Art says:
    @Johann Ricke

    The average Muslim – like most other people want a better life – not war.
     
    They want a better life and after-life. Muslims have traditionally sought to achieve both by conquering non-Muslim lands, taking conquered peoples as slaves and confiscating their material wealth as war booty. Raymond Ibrahim on the Muslim concept of conquest as religious obligation:

    Meanwhile, as U.S. textbooks equivocate about the Muslim conquests, in the schoolrooms of the Muslim world, the conquests are not only taught as a matter of course, but are glorified: their rapidity and decisiveness are regularly portrayed as evidence that Allah was in fact on the side of the Muslims (and will be again, so long as Muslims uphold their communal duty of waging jihad).

    The dissimulation of how Islam was spread in the early centuries contained in Western textbook's mirrors the way the word jihad, once inextricable to the conquests, has also been recast. Whereas the word jihad has throughout the centuries simply meant armed warfare on behalf of Islam, in recent years, American students have been taught the Sufi interpretation of jihad—Sufis make up perhaps one percent of the Islamic world and are often seen as heretics with aberrant interpretations—which portrays jihad as a "spiritual-struggle" against one's vices.

    Contrast this definition of jihad with that of an early edition of the venerable Encyclopaedia of Islam. Its opening sentence simply states, "The spread of Islam by arms is a religious duty upon Muslims in general.… Jihad must continue to be done until the whole world is under the rule of Islam.… Islam must completely be made over before the doctrine of jihad [warfare to spread Islam] can be eliminated." Muslim legal manuals written in Arabic are even more explicit.

    Likewise, the Islamic conquests narrated in the Muslim histories often mirror the doctrinal obligations laid out in Islam's theological texts—the Koran and Hadith. Muslim historians often justify the actions of the early Islamic invaders by juxtaposing the jihad injunctions found in Islamic scriptures.

    It should also be noted that, to Muslims, the Islamic conquests are seen as acts of altruism: they are referred to as futuh, which literally means "openings"—that is, the countries conquered were "opened" for the light of Islam to enter and guide its infidel inhabitants. Thus to Muslims, there is nothing to regret or apologize for concerning the conquests; they are seen as for the good of those who were conquered (i.e., the ancestors of today's Muslims).
     

    Art: The average Muslim – like most other people want a better life – not war.

    Muslims have traditionally sought to achieve both by conquering non-Muslim lands, taking conquered peoples as slaves and confiscating their material wealth as war booty.

    I think that was maybe 300 or 400 years ago – in those days it was swords and the like. Where are the Muslims going to get the modern weapons to take out the West?

    With that said, not much has happened until the Jews stole a big portion of Palestine.

    Maybe we should just fix that problem and forget WWIII.

    Peace — Art

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    I think that was maybe 300 or 400 years ago – in those days it was swords and the like. Where are the Muslims going to get the modern weapons to take out the West?

    With that said, not much has happened until the Jews stole a big portion of Palestine.
     
    Not much has happened for the past 300 to 400 years with respect to Muslim territorial expansion not for lack of trying, but because of a lack of ability. Before they can expand, they first need to consolidate. And there's been no lack of attempts at consolidating - recent examples include the Iraqi invasion of Iran and then Kuwait.

    Terrorist attacks against Westerners have materialized in the past few decades because Muslims have discovered that the West has no stomach for retaliatory expeditions against their host governments and their populations, let alone the numerous Muslim expatriates in the West. That is why these attacks are so popular on the Muslim street, because they can gloat at the infidel dead safely from the sidelines.
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  118. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama
    [..never seen a good explanation of why the Arab countries attacked Israel in 1948]

    Mostly because they thought they'd win - it was newly minted "modern-military" muscle flexing by those states mixed with the remnants of Third Reich seeded jew hatred - overturning, perhaps the first instance of state formation through a consensus of the ruling powers and the endorsement of the U.N.

    So, really, the Arabs got what they bargained for, and the Pals suffered as a result of it.

    the remnants of Third Reich seeded jew hatred

    Are you saying there was little Jew-hatred in the Arab world before H.?

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    Are you saying there was little Jew-hatred in the Arab world before H.?
     
    Arabs and Jews have been living together peacefully in the Arab land for hundreds of years. The hatred started when the zionists came to the middle east and started grabbing the Arab land.
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  119. Art says:
    @biz
    I don't understand your comment but I think that you were trying to make some sort of case that the Islamist threat is a boogieman cooked up by MIC interests, or something like that.

    The present-day rape victims across Europe, the beheaded Thai Buddhist priests, the Yezidis put in mass sexual slavery, and the 3000 bodies buried under the World Trade Center would disagree with you, as would the Armenians of the Ottoman Empire, the residents of Vienna in 1645, and its countless other victims over the centuries. Oh well.

    The present-day rape victims across Europe

    Say Biz,

    The present-day rape victims across Europe, and 9/11, and the Iraq war, and Syria today, and dictatorships in Egypt and Jorden, and a permanent war footing in Lebanon – are the result of Zionism —- this we all know to be true.

    Zionism needs to be fixed.

    Peace — Art

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  120. @Anon
    Pat Buchanan is indeed a true American patriot who has tirelessly written about the damage Israel has done to the USA. John Derbyshire goes where the wind is blowing. Always self-serving.

    Self-serving?! The cowardly “Anon” isn’t even right. If you Anon can’t be bothered to read what JD has written inbooks and articles over more than 20 years at least consider how he got sacked from National Review.

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  121. iffen says:
    @survey-of-disinfo

    "I don’t think you have provided me with any useful information.
     
    Sure I have. I have given you sufficient information to dispel your stated assumptions:

    I always just assumed it was because they were devout Jew-haters.
     
    Ok, so "devout Jew-hatred" is off the table!

    That should narrow down the list of reason why an indigenous population would "attack" (defend against?) Eastern and Central European Zionists who have decided to make claims to their land.

    You need to change survey to purveyor.

    The Arab countries didn’t even consult with the Palestinians before launching the attack.

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    The Arab countries didn’t even consult with the Palestinians
     
    Excellent. We have made progress here. :)

    So now we have established 2 facts:

    1 - "devout Jew-hatred" is a characteristic of Europeans.

    2 - The indigenous people of Palestine were the Palestinians.
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  122. Anon-og [AKA "Mike Johnson"] says:
    @biz
    I don't understand your comment but I think that you were trying to make some sort of case that the Islamist threat is a boogieman cooked up by MIC interests, or something like that.

    The present-day rape victims across Europe, the beheaded Thai Buddhist priests, the Yezidis put in mass sexual slavery, and the 3000 bodies buried under the World Trade Center would disagree with you, as would the Armenians of the Ottoman Empire, the residents of Vienna in 1645, and its countless other victims over the centuries. Oh well.

    right and we have how many disastrous wars and the killing of how many millions upon millions of muslims and others including the actual usage of Nuclear weapons as part of our legacy and we didn’t need near as much time as Islam to do it, we did this in just the last 100 years…..so if muslims are monsters, then we must be exponentially worse..

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  123. @Art

    Art: The average Muslim – like most other people want a better life – not war.

    Muslims have traditionally sought to achieve both by conquering non-Muslim lands, taking conquered peoples as slaves and confiscating their material wealth as war booty.

     

    I think that was maybe 300 or 400 years ago – in those days it was swords and the like. Where are the Muslims going to get the modern weapons to take out the West?

    With that said, not much has happened until the Jews stole a big portion of Palestine.

    Maybe we should just fix that problem and forget WWIII.

    Peace --- Art

    I think that was maybe 300 or 400 years ago – in those days it was swords and the like. Where are the Muslims going to get the modern weapons to take out the West?

    With that said, not much has happened until the Jews stole a big portion of Palestine.

    Not much has happened for the past 300 to 400 years with respect to Muslim territorial expansion not for lack of trying, but because of a lack of ability. Before they can expand, they first need to consolidate. And there’s been no lack of attempts at consolidating – recent examples include the Iraqi invasion of Iran and then Kuwait.

    Terrorist attacks against Westerners have materialized in the past few decades because Muslims have discovered that the West has no stomach for retaliatory expeditions against their host governments and their populations, let alone the numerous Muslim expatriates in the West. That is why these attacks are so popular on the Muslim street, because they can gloat at the infidel dead safely from the sidelines.

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  124. @Anonymous
    interesting video

    watched the first 2 min

    Derbyshire's a Brit. Didn't know that.

    Accounts for his ziophilic views on Israel, and the blind spots in his recounting of the sequence of events re dismantling of Ottoman empire.

    but bottom line is,

    Didn't we boot Brits out of USA a few centuries ago?

    Stay gone, 'nkay?

    Uh no, we [well at least my forebears, I dont know how long your family has been here] booted the king and his army out a few centuries ago. Until that point the entire population was British most actually Englishman, and they all stayed behind.
    Derbyshire is not a Brit he’s a former brit, and a current American citizen. He’s actually a much more worthwhile and productive american than almost all the native born, and has suffered much personal loss for his efforts to defend america.
    And where to you get ziophilic? Let me guess because he didnt begin with a plea to nuke the jew in the jews own land? He essentially said the jews are hypocrite’s, but have as much right to a nation on that soil as anyone. Id go farther and say they have 5000 year old written proof of ownership , which is certainly better than any prot in belfast can claim.He also claimed we pay far too much attention and spend too much on a nation of little significance to us strategically.So where do you find the philia?
    Heres the thing you want to save you nation and by extension the white race? Well if you signal the struggle is going to be nazi 2.0 not only will the jews circle the wagons but almost all the whites will as well. There may in deed be a jewish problem, that solution has proven to be the wrong approach. Get the jews on board to make america white again then assimilate the jews so they no longer know they are jews which is a progrom well underway at an elite university near you

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    Id go farther and say they have 5000 year old written proof of ownership

    The world disagrees - it voted 14 to ZERO against those false Jew claims - suck it up!

    Peace --- Art
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  125. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    I wonder how much Israel would matter to the US if not for Jewish-American Power.

    In the end, it’s not about the Thing itself but what the rulers of America feel about it.

    For instance, take Saddam Hussein. At one time, his idiot sons would have been young and small. Just kids. But everyone who mattered in Iraq had to defer to those kids and treat them real nice and kindly. Why? Because the ruler of the nation, Hussein, doted on them as his sons to be groomed for future rule. Anyone who insulted those kids as spoiled and bratty would have been summarily dismissed or even killed by Hussein.

    Israel is like the spoiled bratty son of Jewish America. It can go Bam Bam because Jewish America holds the keys to power and privilege. Anyone who wants to make it in America has to go through the Jewish Gate, and to be admitted, he has to offer gifts and praises to Israel as the Princeling of Nations. For this reason, Israel can break all the rules and act bratty as hell. It is protected and promoted by its rich powerful parent who rules the US.

    But there is another side to Israel. Yes, politically it is bratty, but it’s tougher for a Jew to live in Israel than in the US. There are more freedoms, opportunities, wealth, and space in America for Jews. So, it takes a degree of sacrifice to choose to live in Israel instead. So, from the Israeli perspective, Jewish Americans owe the Israelis something. While Jewish-Americans are living for money, individual ambition, materialism, hedonism, egotism, and etc, Jews in Israel are living for culture, history, and heritage even if they had to sacrifice material comforts that Jews in America have. Also, unlike American Jews who stay away from military, Jews in Israel go through the Spartan process of learning to use guns and fighting for blood and soil.

    But there may be a widening split in the Jewish Community due to serious contradictions.
    According to the GLOB, the three holy groups are Jews, homos, and blacks. All three have the paradoxical combination of winner-loser duality. All are attached to great tragedies PLUS great triumphs. That is the key to being a favored folks. If you’re just losers, like Gypsies or Peruvian Indians, no one cares.
    And if you’re only seen as winners, you are resented as ‘oppressors’ and ‘privileged’.
    The PC narrative on whites is that they always oppressed others but were never oppressed by others. Since they only won and won, they deserve no sympathy.

    But if you’ve won in some special area but have a narrative of past oppression, the suffering of your people carries greater weight. Nazis killed gypsies, but since gypsies are losers, people think, “Okay, Nazis killed a bunch of losers. Who cares?” But since Jews produced the likes of Einstein and Bob Dylan, people think, “Oh my, the Nazis killed geniuses!”
    Same with Negroes. If Negroes sucked in sports and pop music, not many would care if they were slaves. After all, natives of the Latin Americas were conquered, genocided, and enslaved, but no one cares because they ‘suck’ at everything. But because Negroes can jump high and bellow loud like MLK, people think, “Oh my, those evil whites enslaved the godly master-race of badass Negreos.”
    Now, homos didn’t suffer anything like the Holocaust. But they were disdained by all societies. And being homo was punished harshly in some societies. And homos went through AIDS crisis, but then, it homos were boofing each other all over. But never mind, the Narrative is defined by those who control the megaphone, and the standard line is “Reagan’s Indifference” killed all those buggering homos. Also, homos have special talents in arts and fashion. (Homos as victim-group is problematic because some homos were born as kings, princes, noblemen, and slave-owners. Surely some southern slave owner was born homo and probably buggered some of his slaves. “Massuh, I don’t do like dat… massuh, dat aint right, massuh, why you stickin’ yo dong in my bung…. massuh!”)

    Anyway, the holy trinity of Jews, homos, and Negroes may be breaking. Though Negroes are a big headache, many remain poor and Africa is very poor. So, they can carry on with the fiction that they be oppressed and garner sympathy. Many homos are privileged and powerful, but homos are not the reigning rulers of the World. Their great power really owes to Jewish support. So, homo power doesn’t seem overwhelming even though it’s hysterical and everywhere.

    But Jewish power is seen by lots of people as The Power. It’s still taboo to discuss in certain quarters, but it’s becoming more and more of an open secret. And the rise of BDS movement is really a kind of ‘antisemitism by other means’. Since it’s still impermissible to talk about Jewish Power, many do it in a roundabout way by attacking Israel, AIPAC, Jewish Lobby, and etc. And the arrogant and chutzy behavior by Netanyahu certainly hasn’t helped, especially in this era of the internet when people can see videos of Netanyahu telling Israelis that Israel controls America.

    So, Jewish American Power is now at an impasse, especially since we have one group of Jews sticking with Israel and another group of Jews leading BDS.
    Jews would like to be the leading groups of Diveristy and Multi-culturalism, with holy Negroes and holy Homos by their side to lead the People of Color against white gentiles.
    But because Jewish Power is so great and since Jews are seen as white(and since Israel is the creation of European Jews backed by white American Jews), many Negroes and POC are seeing Jews as part of the Problem. Ironically, the Narrative of this Problem(of white privilege) was largely concocted by Jews. It’s boomeranging on them. And Jews are being asked by POC to choose between Israel as the Tribe of Powerful Jews or Diversity as the New Tribe of Globo-Humanity.
    Jews want both. They want Israel as Powerful Jewish Homeland. But they also want to be the Moses-like figure in the Creation of the New Tribe of globo-diverse-humanity as led by Jews and holy negroes and holy homos.

    Jewish Americans can represent the Jewish Tribe(and Jewish Homeland) or the GLOB-Tribe or the Glibe, but they cannot do both. Palestinians are like stones in the Jewish bladder. It hurts more and more every time Jews pee.

    It’s like Hyman Roth said he’d give a million dollars just to pee without it hurting.
    But how do Jews get rid of the Palestinian stones? Genocide? Then, Jews will lose the Holocaust narrative as they will be New Nazis.
    Anti-stone chemicals? But there are too many stones and growing.

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    "So, from the Israeli perspective, Jewish Americans owe the Israelis something."

    Correct, but this is not what Jewish Americans think. They think that Israeli owe them their support and money. Jewish Americans get very upset at Israelis who emigrate from Israel, for instance to Souther California or Florida.
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  126. so if muslims are monsters, then we must be exponentially worse..

    Shhhh, don’t wake him from his dreams!

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  127. MEexpert says:
    @iffen
    the remnants of Third Reich seeded jew hatred

    Are you saying there was little Jew-hatred in the Arab world before H.?

    Are you saying there was little Jew-hatred in the Arab world before H.?

    Arabs and Jews have been living together peacefully in the Arab land for hundreds of years. The hatred started when the zionists came to the middle east and started grabbing the Arab land.

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    At least you seem to be more knowledgeable than purveyor of disinformation. I will reserve judgement as you do not appear to be an impartial witness.
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  128. Sean says:
    @Art
    This is a part of the elite’s plan to solve the middle east problem by dissolving the Jewish state of Israel with a Palestinian state in the West Bank.

    Is that not hyperbolic – how is a West Bank Palestinian state going to dissolve Israel – really, they have 200 nukes – killer missiles, fighters, submarines, military satellites, the most moral army in the world, and the quisling US government! (Gee - how did they get all that killing power?)

    Your words and the facts do not add up.

    Peace --- Art

    p.s. Another comment like that and we will have to see what floor you are on in Hasbara Central (the biggest tallest busiest building in all of Israel).

    That is what the current policy of the US is, a West Bank Palestinian state (in addition to the existing east bank one of Jordan) but there can’t be such a state, because of the Jewish settlements there and the influence of those settlements on Israeli politics. So Israel is faced with an increasingly impatient US leadership. Obama for example

    http://www.jta.org/2016/09/16/news-opinion/israel-middle-east/barak-netnayhaus-fight-with-obama-cost-israel-4-5b-in-defense-aid

    https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2017/01/the-un-resolution-condemning-israel-a-perfect-obam.html

    This is all the predictable (Mearsheimer and Carter foresaw it) outcome of stated US policy and nothing to do with Obama particularly, US policy requires something that the JEWISH state of Israel cannot survive: Arabs. Ehud Barak offered a lot at camp David because as Kevin MacDonald’s executive summary of Mearsheiner explained:-

    The result is that the trends toward an “incipient apartheid state” will become a full-blown apartheid state “over the next decade.”
    “In the long run, however, Israel will not be able to maintain itself as an apartheid state. … It will eventually evolve into a democratic bi-national state whose politics will be dominated by the more numerous Palestinians.”
    An apartheid Israel is non-viable for several reasons: The information freely available on the Internet; continued outrage among the Arabs and Muslims; because it is “antithetical to core Western values”; because it endangers American lives; and because most American Jews will not back it.

    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2010/05/john-mearsheimer-and-the-future-of-israeli-apartheid/

    They’ll will cause division in Israel and US, a futile debate about mutually incompatible courses of action if they stay, so they have to go. And for that Jordan has to fall. If the Russians crush all resistance in Syria it wont be possible so to save Israel the Russians have to be prevented from reconquering south Syria, and the only way to stop them is to apply a bit of pressure.

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  129. nsa says:
    @Art
    This is a part of the elite’s plan to solve the middle east problem by dissolving the Jewish state of Israel with a Palestinian state in the West Bank.

    Is that not hyperbolic – how is a West Bank Palestinian state going to dissolve Israel – really, they have 200 nukes – killer missiles, fighters, submarines, military satellites, the most moral army in the world, and the quisling US government! (Gee - how did they get all that killing power?)

    Your words and the facts do not add up.

    Peace --- Art

    p.s. Another comment like that and we will have to see what floor you are on in Hasbara Central (the biggest tallest busiest building in all of Israel).

    You missed Sean’s point…..as English may not be your first language, let’s explain it simply: better to give the jooies Jordan than have 6 million more joo-holes over here in the USA trying to run everything.

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    You missed Sean’s point…..as English may not be your first language, let’s explain it simply: better to give the jooies Jordan than have 6 million more joo-holes over here in the USA trying to run everything.
     
    nsa,

    How stupid of me - now I see!

    The Ziombie is threatening his major benefactor with more of him - that makes good sense if you are a Jew. (It is a frightening thought!)

    Peace --- Art

    p.s. Did he say - (just for insurance mind you) that they are going to bring their nukes with them?
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  130. Art says:
    @Colleen Pater
    Uh no, we [well at least my forebears, I dont know how long your family has been here] booted the king and his army out a few centuries ago. Until that point the entire population was British most actually Englishman, and they all stayed behind.
    Derbyshire is not a Brit he's a former brit, and a current American citizen. He's actually a much more worthwhile and productive american than almost all the native born, and has suffered much personal loss for his efforts to defend america.
    And where to you get ziophilic? Let me guess because he didnt begin with a plea to nuke the jew in the jews own land? He essentially said the jews are hypocrite's, but have as much right to a nation on that soil as anyone. Id go farther and say they have 5000 year old written proof of ownership , which is certainly better than any prot in belfast can claim.He also claimed we pay far too much attention and spend too much on a nation of little significance to us strategically.So where do you find the philia?
    Heres the thing you want to save you nation and by extension the white race? Well if you signal the struggle is going to be nazi 2.0 not only will the jews circle the wagons but almost all the whites will as well. There may in deed be a jewish problem, that solution has proven to be the wrong approach. Get the jews on board to make america white again then assimilate the jews so they no longer know they are jews which is a progrom well underway at an elite university near you

    Id go farther and say they have 5000 year old written proof of ownership

    The world disagrees – it voted 14 to ZERO against those false Jew claims – suck it up!

    Peace — Art

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    First Im not a jew so you suck it. Im not even a jewphile so swallow.
    However i am a truthphile and the reality is the jews have the best claim according to the type of morality your type likes, which is based on concepts the jews instilled in you like justice based on reason.
    Despite your appeal to authority we both know youre only reason to make the appeal is your a SJW. The fact is no one but the jews have written provenance,Its a tiny piece of shit land that is the only place they can legitimately claim as theirs. The muslims have the other 99% percent of mideast asian and african land they conquered through jihad.
    But on the other hand say you really were a might makes right real man and dont support this gay idea that we can go back in time to the stone age to determine who really owns land they were to weak to defend,then you would understand the jews own it because they can and do. You see its theirs because they took it and can hold it and are willing and able to use the nuclear weaPONS THEY HAVE TO HOLD IT OR DIE TRYING they are pretty clear they will take as many with them as need be this time. I can respect that.So until the UNFAGS get a nuclear system and are willing to use it then Im afraid you will have to keep sucking it.It seems more likely there will be no more UN in eight years than that there will be no Israel in 800
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  131. utu says:
    @Anon
    I wonder how much Israel would matter to the US if not for Jewish-American Power.

    In the end, it's not about the Thing itself but what the rulers of America feel about it.

    For instance, take Saddam Hussein. At one time, his idiot sons would have been young and small. Just kids. But everyone who mattered in Iraq had to defer to those kids and treat them real nice and kindly. Why? Because the ruler of the nation, Hussein, doted on them as his sons to be groomed for future rule. Anyone who insulted those kids as spoiled and bratty would have been summarily dismissed or even killed by Hussein.

    Israel is like the spoiled bratty son of Jewish America. It can go Bam Bam because Jewish America holds the keys to power and privilege. Anyone who wants to make it in America has to go through the Jewish Gate, and to be admitted, he has to offer gifts and praises to Israel as the Princeling of Nations. For this reason, Israel can break all the rules and act bratty as hell. It is protected and promoted by its rich powerful parent who rules the US.

    But there is another side to Israel. Yes, politically it is bratty, but it's tougher for a Jew to live in Israel than in the US. There are more freedoms, opportunities, wealth, and space in America for Jews. So, it takes a degree of sacrifice to choose to live in Israel instead. So, from the Israeli perspective, Jewish Americans owe the Israelis something. While Jewish-Americans are living for money, individual ambition, materialism, hedonism, egotism, and etc, Jews in Israel are living for culture, history, and heritage even if they had to sacrifice material comforts that Jews in America have. Also, unlike American Jews who stay away from military, Jews in Israel go through the Spartan process of learning to use guns and fighting for blood and soil.

    But there may be a widening split in the Jewish Community due to serious contradictions.
    According to the GLOB, the three holy groups are Jews, homos, and blacks. All three have the paradoxical combination of winner-loser duality. All are attached to great tragedies PLUS great triumphs. That is the key to being a favored folks. If you're just losers, like Gypsies or Peruvian Indians, no one cares.
    And if you're only seen as winners, you are resented as 'oppressors' and 'privileged'.
    The PC narrative on whites is that they always oppressed others but were never oppressed by others. Since they only won and won, they deserve no sympathy.

    But if you've won in some special area but have a narrative of past oppression, the suffering of your people carries greater weight. Nazis killed gypsies, but since gypsies are losers, people think, "Okay, Nazis killed a bunch of losers. Who cares?" But since Jews produced the likes of Einstein and Bob Dylan, people think, "Oh my, the Nazis killed geniuses!"
    Same with Negroes. If Negroes sucked in sports and pop music, not many would care if they were slaves. After all, natives of the Latin Americas were conquered, genocided, and enslaved, but no one cares because they 'suck' at everything. But because Negroes can jump high and bellow loud like MLK, people think, "Oh my, those evil whites enslaved the godly master-race of badass Negreos."
    Now, homos didn't suffer anything like the Holocaust. But they were disdained by all societies. And being homo was punished harshly in some societies. And homos went through AIDS crisis, but then, it homos were boofing each other all over. But never mind, the Narrative is defined by those who control the megaphone, and the standard line is "Reagan's Indifference" killed all those buggering homos. Also, homos have special talents in arts and fashion. (Homos as victim-group is problematic because some homos were born as kings, princes, noblemen, and slave-owners. Surely some southern slave owner was born homo and probably buggered some of his slaves. "Massuh, I don't do like dat... massuh, dat aint right, massuh, why you stickin' yo dong in my bung.... massuh!")

    Anyway, the holy trinity of Jews, homos, and Negroes may be breaking. Though Negroes are a big headache, many remain poor and Africa is very poor. So, they can carry on with the fiction that they be oppressed and garner sympathy. Many homos are privileged and powerful, but homos are not the reigning rulers of the World. Their great power really owes to Jewish support. So, homo power doesn't seem overwhelming even though it's hysterical and everywhere.

    But Jewish power is seen by lots of people as The Power. It's still taboo to discuss in certain quarters, but it's becoming more and more of an open secret. And the rise of BDS movement is really a kind of 'antisemitism by other means'. Since it's still impermissible to talk about Jewish Power, many do it in a roundabout way by attacking Israel, AIPAC, Jewish Lobby, and etc. And the arrogant and chutzy behavior by Netanyahu certainly hasn't helped, especially in this era of the internet when people can see videos of Netanyahu telling Israelis that Israel controls America.

    So, Jewish American Power is now at an impasse, especially since we have one group of Jews sticking with Israel and another group of Jews leading BDS.
    Jews would like to be the leading groups of Diveristy and Multi-culturalism, with holy Negroes and holy Homos by their side to lead the People of Color against white gentiles.
    But because Jewish Power is so great and since Jews are seen as white(and since Israel is the creation of European Jews backed by white American Jews), many Negroes and POC are seeing Jews as part of the Problem. Ironically, the Narrative of this Problem(of white privilege) was largely concocted by Jews. It's boomeranging on them. And Jews are being asked by POC to choose between Israel as the Tribe of Powerful Jews or Diversity as the New Tribe of Globo-Humanity.
    Jews want both. They want Israel as Powerful Jewish Homeland. But they also want to be the Moses-like figure in the Creation of the New Tribe of globo-diverse-humanity as led by Jews and holy negroes and holy homos.

    Jewish Americans can represent the Jewish Tribe(and Jewish Homeland) or the GLOB-Tribe or the Glibe, but they cannot do both. Palestinians are like stones in the Jewish bladder. It hurts more and more every time Jews pee.

    It's like Hyman Roth said he'd give a million dollars just to pee without it hurting.
    But how do Jews get rid of the Palestinian stones? Genocide? Then, Jews will lose the Holocaust narrative as they will be New Nazis.
    Anti-stone chemicals? But there are too many stones and growing.

    “So, from the Israeli perspective, Jewish Americans owe the Israelis something.”

    Correct, but this is not what Jewish Americans think. They think that Israeli owe them their support and money. Jewish Americans get very upset at Israelis who emigrate from Israel, for instance to Souther California or Florida.

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  132. iffen says:
    @MEexpert

    Are you saying there was little Jew-hatred in the Arab world before H.?
     
    Arabs and Jews have been living together peacefully in the Arab land for hundreds of years. The hatred started when the zionists came to the middle east and started grabbing the Arab land.

    At least you seem to be more knowledgeable than purveyor of disinformation. I will reserve judgement as you do not appear to be an impartial witness.

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  133. Art says:
    @nsa
    You missed Sean's point.....as English may not be your first language, let's explain it simply: better to give the jooies Jordan than have 6 million more joo-holes over here in the USA trying to run everything.

    You missed Sean’s point…..as English may not be your first language, let’s explain it simply: better to give the jooies Jordan than have 6 million more joo-holes over here in the USA trying to run everything.

    nsa,

    How stupid of me – now I see!

    The Ziombie is threatening his major benefactor with more of him – that makes good sense if you are a Jew. (It is a frightening thought!)

    Peace — Art

    p.s. Did he say – (just for insurance mind you) that they are going to bring their nukes with them?

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  134. @iffen
    You need to change survey to purveyor.

    The Arab countries didn't even consult with the Palestinians before launching the attack.

    The Arab countries didn’t even consult with the Palestinians

    Excellent. We have made progress here. :)

    So now we have established 2 facts:

    1 – “devout Jew-hatred” is a characteristic of Europeans.

    2 – The indigenous people of Palestine were the Palestinians.

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  135. Karl says:
    @unit472
    If the Ottoman Empire had been a conventional 'empire' I suppose it could have fragmented into ethno-states like the Austro-Hungarian Empire or, more recently, the USSR. In fact, it sort of did. The Christians had a statelet in Lebanon while the Jews resurrected their statelet as Israel. The problem is Islam.

    The Islamic 'ummah' just does not accept the nation state as the primary political unit. They are not alone either for Jews have also adopted a transnational political identity. It would be as if The Church of England had asserted its primacy over the remains of the British Empire and Canterbury had the same standing as Mecca or Jerusalem in Australia, Canada and the US.

    It would be as if The Five Eyes JUST HAPPENED BY COINCIDENCE to be Anglo-speaking countries.

    fixed it for you!

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  136. […] The Unz Review: Israel Is NOT That Important to America JOHN DERBYSHIRE         {It is a danger… […]

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  137. SFG says:
    @Anonymous
    interesting video

    watched the first 2 min

    Derbyshire's a Brit. Didn't know that.

    Accounts for his ziophilic views on Israel, and the blind spots in his recounting of the sequence of events re dismantling of Ottoman empire.

    but bottom line is,

    Didn't we boot Brits out of USA a few centuries ago?

    Stay gone, 'nkay?

    To be honest, even Pat Buchanan said Brits were preferable to Zulus. If we’re gonna have immigrants, they might as well be Brits. They founded the country, after all.

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  138. SFG says:
    @Smoke Signals
    What are you talking about? Ever heard of NYT ? Thomas Friedman? Then there's the papist Patrick B. Supposedly pro U.S. but anti Israel and Netanyahu but a leftist nazi and buggering Roman cleric sympatico.

    Derbyshire is right about Israel getting too much press attention. But this is a WORLD WIDE media phenomenon and not only an American one. Are the European and Asian papers riddled with Hebraic journalists also?

    Derbyshire conjures up the Irish - English dispute. But the closer parallel is the India - Pakistan (the other I-P) problem that also hasn't changed over the same period of time he references. And it's much worse than Israel-Palestine - that twin I - P problem born out of post WW II intrigue.

    Certainly one might wonder how much attention the NYT would give to Israel if it was owned by let's say Aditya Berla or Tata Group. Then maybe we would always be hearing about the 10 million plus refugees who lost their homes or over 1 million dead in sectarian violence occasioned by the India - Pakistan partition. Or the four wars fought by India and Pakistan since 1947. Or the occupation and terror and 'line of control' and majority muslim population in Kashmir. Noting that both India and Pakistan are nuclear powers 'for God's sake' certainly the world wide media tends to focus on the mini I - P problem a lot more than on the BIG one.

    He’s British, of course he’s going to be obsessed with England and Ireland. It’s their local ancient quarrel. Mexicans are convinced America’s behind everything wrong with their country, Bolivia wants to get Chile back, Uruguay hates getting confused with Paraguay, every country’s got their thing.

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  139. Karl says:
    @SIMPLE
    Could you do some math columns please?

    I find myself, later in life, wishing I had learned more. I was pretty decent at it, but really more of an equal math/verbal person. And never pursued it as much as I could have.

    I didn't really even know the scope of the different fields of advanced math. But I have bought some Dover paperbacks and skim them. (Too lazy to really work the problems--I still work, but in business so it would do me no good.) But even just skimming the paperbacks gives you at least a feel for the scope of courses like PDEs or Complex Analysis. But I still am not sure really what is all out there. Wikipedia is useless since it doesn't put things in context (like what math course teaches you polylogs and what types of engineering problems if any are they useful for), but wants to play definition, theorem, lemma crap.

    > Could you do some math columns please?

    oh, my tribe is fairly good at teaching math.

    Just for starters, may I recommend:

    Morris Kline (z”l): “Calculus: A physical and intuitive approach”

    Mark Levi: ” THE MATHEMATICAL MECHANIC: · Using Physical Reasoning to Solve Problems”

    This guy Nahin up at U.New Hampshire is good too. See, I like gentiles, too!

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  140. Skeptikal says:
    @unit472
    If the Ottoman Empire had been a conventional 'empire' I suppose it could have fragmented into ethno-states like the Austro-Hungarian Empire or, more recently, the USSR. In fact, it sort of did. The Christians had a statelet in Lebanon while the Jews resurrected their statelet as Israel. The problem is Islam.

    The Islamic 'ummah' just does not accept the nation state as the primary political unit. They are not alone either for Jews have also adopted a transnational political identity. It would be as if The Church of England had asserted its primacy over the remains of the British Empire and Canterbury had the same standing as Mecca or Jerusalem in Australia, Canada and the US.

    “The Christians had a statelet in Lebanon while the Jews resurrected their statelet as Israel. The problem is Islam. ”

    No, the problem is not Islam, at least it wasn’t at the time.

    Ever heard of Arab nationalism?
    Lawrence of Arabia, etc.?
    The Brits and French but especially the Brits betrayed the Arabs and the aspirations of Arab nationalists on all fronts.
    Including Palestine. And also betrayed the Maronites in what became Lebanon.
    Lebanon did not end up being majority Christian.
    The memory hole is getting ever deeper and broader.

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  141. 5371 says:
    @Sam Shama
    Setting aside that I beg to mildly disagree with your depiction of the area in 1948, you give the impression that you believe in a history of formation of nation-states as the meticulously fair outcomes of an invisible hand at work.

    It’s JD who spoke of “the right to set up their ethnostates”.

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  142. 5371 says:
    @biz
    When it comes to hyperventilating about Israel, is there no limit to the number of falsehoods that people will stick into a sentence?

    First of all, the majority of Israeli Jews are descended from Jews who were ethnically cleansed from Arab and Muslim countries, not central and Eastern Europe.

    Secondly, the original Zionist idea was not driven by religious affiliation - most were secular - but rather by the peoplehood of the Jewish people, which has been proven time and again by every shred of genetic, historical, and cultural considerations.

    Gypsies have more “peoplehood” than the “peoplehood of the Jewish people”. Where’s their state?

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    Gypsies have more “peoplehood” than the “peoplehood of the Jewish people”. Where’s their state?

    I am unaware of any attempts by the Gypsies to establish a nation state or claim a “homeland.” I am under the impression that they are comfortable with their nomadic lifestyle. I admit that my knowledge of the heritage of the gypsies is deficient. OTOH the millennial old heritage of the Jews has been preserved in thousands of written sources that all of us can access, Jew and non-Jew alike. Maybe in the adjudication of land claims, we should use that deed trick that the Americans used on the Indians. Oldest written claim wins. Now where is that Palestinian Bible? I just had it a few days ago.
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  143. iffen says:
    @5371
    Gypsies have more "peoplehood" than the "peoplehood of the Jewish people". Where's their state?

    Gypsies have more “peoplehood” than the “peoplehood of the Jewish people”. Where’s their state?

    I am unaware of any attempts by the Gypsies to establish a nation state or claim a “homeland.” I am under the impression that they are comfortable with their nomadic lifestyle. I admit that my knowledge of the heritage of the gypsies is deficient. OTOH the millennial old heritage of the Jews has been preserved in thousands of written sources that all of us can access, Jew and non-Jew alike. Maybe in the adjudication of land claims, we should use that deed trick that the Americans used on the Indians. Oldest written claim wins. Now where is that Palestinian Bible? I just had it a few days ago.

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    I am unaware of any attempts by the Gypsies to establish a nation state or claim a “homeland.” I am under the impression that they are comfortable with their nomadic lifestyle.

     

    Jews and Gypsies share much in common.

    Jews are like chameleons – chameleons change color depending on their environment – but underneath they are always chameleons.

    Jewish tribalists take on the trappings of the geography where they live – but underneath they are always loyal to their Judaic nature.

    Peace --- Art
    , @5371
    The "millenial old heritage of the Jews" is borrowed plumes, they are magpies, kings of shreds and patches. They will be in a bad way if their testimonies are judged not by how old and whose they claim them to be, but by how old and whose they really are.
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  144. @Art
    Id go farther and say they have 5000 year old written proof of ownership

    The world disagrees - it voted 14 to ZERO against those false Jew claims - suck it up!

    Peace --- Art

    First Im not a jew so you suck it. Im not even a jewphile so swallow.
    However i am a truthphile and the reality is the jews have the best claim according to the type of morality your type likes, which is based on concepts the jews instilled in you like justice based on reason.
    Despite your appeal to authority we both know youre only reason to make the appeal is your a SJW. The fact is no one but the jews have written provenance,Its a tiny piece of shit land that is the only place they can legitimately claim as theirs. The muslims have the other 99% percent of mideast asian and african land they conquered through jihad.
    But on the other hand say you really were a might makes right real man and dont support this gay idea that we can go back in time to the stone age to determine who really owns land they were to weak to defend,then you would understand the jews own it because they can and do. You see its theirs because they took it and can hold it and are willing and able to use the nuclear weaPONS THEY HAVE TO HOLD IT OR DIE TRYING they are pretty clear they will take as many with them as need be this time. I can respect that.So until the UNFAGS get a nuclear system and are willing to use it then Im afraid you will have to keep sucking it.It seems more likely there will be no more UN in eight years than that there will be no Israel in 800

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    The Jews claim land because their Jew god gave it to them.

    Sorry - but the rest of the world does not believe in that silly ridiculous Jew god that favors one tribe over all others.

    We have our own gods – and many of those gods believe in justice and fairness.

    Clearly in that UN vote, zero nations were honoring the selfish preposterous ludicrous Jew god.

    Peace --- Art
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  145. Art says:
    @iffen
    Gypsies have more “peoplehood” than the “peoplehood of the Jewish people”. Where’s their state?

    I am unaware of any attempts by the Gypsies to establish a nation state or claim a “homeland.” I am under the impression that they are comfortable with their nomadic lifestyle. I admit that my knowledge of the heritage of the gypsies is deficient. OTOH the millennial old heritage of the Jews has been preserved in thousands of written sources that all of us can access, Jew and non-Jew alike. Maybe in the adjudication of land claims, we should use that deed trick that the Americans used on the Indians. Oldest written claim wins. Now where is that Palestinian Bible? I just had it a few days ago.

    I am unaware of any attempts by the Gypsies to establish a nation state or claim a “homeland.” I am under the impression that they are comfortable with their nomadic lifestyle.

    Jews and Gypsies share much in common.

    Jews are like chameleons – chameleons change color depending on their environment – but underneath they are always chameleons.

    Jewish tribalists take on the trappings of the geography where they live – but underneath they are always loyal to their Judaic nature.

    Peace — Art

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  146. Art says:
    @Colleen Pater
    First Im not a jew so you suck it. Im not even a jewphile so swallow.
    However i am a truthphile and the reality is the jews have the best claim according to the type of morality your type likes, which is based on concepts the jews instilled in you like justice based on reason.
    Despite your appeal to authority we both know youre only reason to make the appeal is your a SJW. The fact is no one but the jews have written provenance,Its a tiny piece of shit land that is the only place they can legitimately claim as theirs. The muslims have the other 99% percent of mideast asian and african land they conquered through jihad.
    But on the other hand say you really were a might makes right real man and dont support this gay idea that we can go back in time to the stone age to determine who really owns land they were to weak to defend,then you would understand the jews own it because they can and do. You see its theirs because they took it and can hold it and are willing and able to use the nuclear weaPONS THEY HAVE TO HOLD IT OR DIE TRYING they are pretty clear they will take as many with them as need be this time. I can respect that.So until the UNFAGS get a nuclear system and are willing to use it then Im afraid you will have to keep sucking it.It seems more likely there will be no more UN in eight years than that there will be no Israel in 800

    The Jews claim land because their Jew god gave it to them.

    Sorry – but the rest of the world does not believe in that silly ridiculous Jew god that favors one tribe over all others.

    We have our own gods – and many of those gods believe in justice and fairness.

    Clearly in that UN vote, zero nations were honoring the selfish preposterous ludicrous Jew god.

    Peace — Art

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  147. Israel is important to the victim cult majority of voters in the US.

    The victim cult majority in the US relies on the same Jewish sophist and Jewish vote brokers in Israel that lobby for identity class based entitlements provided by the Israeli and US federal governments.

    Victim cult leaders in the US see Israel as a model country for diversity, a professional entitlement seeking victim cult.

    https://www.brookings.edu/articles/diversity-in-israel-lessons-for-the-united-states/

    As the United States copes with large immigration flows and increasing diversity in these highly uncertain times, it may want to look to an unusual model country—Israel—for some fresh ideas about taking full advantage of diversity.

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  148. 5371 says:
    @iffen
    Gypsies have more “peoplehood” than the “peoplehood of the Jewish people”. Where’s their state?

    I am unaware of any attempts by the Gypsies to establish a nation state or claim a “homeland.” I am under the impression that they are comfortable with their nomadic lifestyle. I admit that my knowledge of the heritage of the gypsies is deficient. OTOH the millennial old heritage of the Jews has been preserved in thousands of written sources that all of us can access, Jew and non-Jew alike. Maybe in the adjudication of land claims, we should use that deed trick that the Americans used on the Indians. Oldest written claim wins. Now where is that Palestinian Bible? I just had it a few days ago.

    The “millenial old heritage of the Jews” is borrowed plumes, they are magpies, kings of shreds and patches. They will be in a bad way if their testimonies are judged not by how old and whose they claim them to be, but by how old and whose they really are.

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  149. Karl says:
    @LarryS
    When will Israel define its border? Is it Genesis 15:18 from the river in Egypt to the Euphrates river in Iraq? Didn't God make His covenant conditional on the obedience of Abraham's offspring? Deuteronomy 28. Does the modern, secular state called Israel have a living prophet telling the Jews to take the land away from the people living there? The 10 tribes of the Kingdom of Israel were conquered and assimilated in 722 BC leaving the southern Kingdom of Judah (and the tribe of Benjamin). They were conquered in 586 BC. Later Judeans (Jews) returned to Judea. The land today should rightfully be called Judea, not Israel, and of course Jews should be allowed to live there. But I disagree that it should be a solely Jewish state. Also, I do not believe that the modern, secular state called Israel has anything to do with the Second Coming of Christ. Modern Israel was created by the UN in 1948 and is not the Israel of the Bible. Read "What Price Israel?" (1953) by Jewish-American Alfred Lilienthal.

    > Modern Israel was created by the UN in 1948

    and here I was, thinking that the State of Israel got created by those who are now sleeping in its military cemeteries

    If the Palestinians didn’t want that to happen, they should have spoke up when the die was truly cast….. when a school-textbook in mathematics in Hebrew was published in the AD 1750′s.

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  150. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Bill

    I have been puzzled by Derb’s inability to tackle in a direct manner the pernicious influence that the Jews have had on Western Civilization. I am not sure it is due to cowardice, although that may be a reasonable proposition given that any hint of anti-semitism can be career ending in his line of work.
     
    I'd say he's pretty clear about it:

    One evening early on in my career as an opinion journalist in the USA, I found myself in a roomful of mainstream conservative types standing around in groups and gossiping. Because I was new to the scene, many of the names they were tossing about were unknown to me, so I could not take much part in the conversation. Then I caught one name that I recognized. I had just recently read and admired a piece published in Chronicles under that name. I gathered from the conversation that the owner of the name had once been a regular contributor to much more widely read conservative publications, the kind that have salaried congressional correspondents and full-service LexisNexis accounts, but that he was welcome at those august portals no longer. In all innocence, I asked why this was so. “Oh,” explained one of my companions, “he got the Jew thing.” The others in our group all nodded their understanding. Apparently no further explanation was required. The Jew thing. It was said in the kind of tone you might use of an automobile with a cracked engine block, or a house with subsiding foundations. Nothing to be done with him, poor fellow. No use to anybody now. Got the Jew thing. They shoot horses, don’t they?

    Plainly, getting the Jew thing was a sort of occupational hazard of conservative journalism in the United States, an exceptionally lethal one, which the career-wise writer should strive to avoid. I resolved that I would do my best, so far as personal integrity allowed, not to get the Jew thing. I had better make it clear to the reader that at the time of writing, I have not yet got the Jew thing—that I am in fact a philoSemite and a well-wisher of Israel, for reasons I have explained in various places, none of them difficult for the nimble web surfer to find.
     

    You go on to say:

    This IS perhaps the most critically important issue facing Western Civilization today, and Derb, as one of our leading intellectuals, is going to eventually have to face this issue with more honesty if he is to be in the vanguard of our thought leaders.
     
    He's 71. He's not going to have an anti-semitic conversion experience.

    You are never too old to learn new things.

    Derb does not need to become an anti-semite (hating Jews as Jews). But he has to be more honest about the disproportionate control that the Jews have over our society today and whether that control is a good thing or not. I think this control has been highly destructive to our nation and our civilization, and I don’t think it is good for the Jewish people either.

    Stating that he is a philosemite does not address this issue in a forthright manner. He is honest about the enormous Jewish contributions to Western Civilization. But I think he needs to be far more honest about the dangerous hostility towards the gentile that is often on display by our Jewish elites, and how that hostility is harming the civilization that he loves. I think this hostility, and the traitorous behavior of the multiple cucks, has created the current mess we are now in with massive and unnecessary immigration, among other preventable evils.

    Anti-gentilism is as much an evil as is anti-semitism, and it is long past time that it is recognized for the pernicious evil that it is.

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  151. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    I can see why Derbyshire is very leery of offending The Chosen.

    Derbyshire knows all about what happened over at (the CIA funded?) The National Review (TNR) when The Tribe got Joe Sobran purged for Joe even mentioning that The Lobby seemed to have an inordinate amount of influence over US policies.

    Derb knows about how WF Buckley had to get down on his knees to beg forgiveness in order to keep his job for having approved the publishing of the articles about Jewish power. Buckley had to prove his contrition by acquiescing to the publication of an entire, scurrilous issue of TNR devoted to critiquing supposed right-wing antisemitism.

    Derbyshire knows full well how The Lobby, still wanting to make a continuing example of Sobran, made sure that Joe was unable to make a living after he had lost his job at TNR by repeatedly harassing potential employers with threats of what might happen if they employed “this antisemite.”

    Derbyshire was around when the ADL and the SPLC were able to successfully apply pressure on The American Conservative Magazine to make sure that a job offer given to the now destitute Sobran to work there was revoked by its then editor, the execrable, society dilettante and Avon heir Scott McConnell because Sobran had spoken before people The Lobby hadn’t approved of.

    With lessons like this, is it any wonder that people with bills to pay and mouths to feed are more than a little wary to offending this “powerless” group.

    BTW, Victor Davis Hansen has been proving little too uppity lately. IF history provides us any indication, he better start packing up his stuff in his office over at TNR post haste. The Lobby is becoming very uneasy with him and his former Neocon friends at TNR are starting to look at him funny.

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    I agree with your description of (((***))) thing for Derbyshire.

    OT. Your modification of the name of historian (and author of the book "Mexifornia")
    Victor Davis Hanson, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Davis_Hanson ,
    to "Hansen" is not surprising. The first line of Wiki article about historian Hanson is:
    "Not to be confused with Victor M. Hansen."

    It also reminds ad by Adobe Acrobat, see
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNmRJiRarH0 ,
    where the hero insists: "The name's Hunter",
    while receptionist stubbornly tells: "No. I don't have a Hunter".
    , @Expletive Deleted
    It happens.
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jan/07/israeli-diplomat-shai-masot-caught-on-camera-plotting-to-take-down-uk-mps

    An Israeli embassy official has been caught on camera in an undercover sting plotting to “take down” MPs regarded as hostile, including foreign office minister Sir Alan Duncan, an outspoken supporter of a Palestinian state.
    In an extraordinary breach of diplomatic protocol, Shai Masot, who describes himself as an officer in the Israel Defence Forces and is serving as a senior political officer at the London embassy, was recorded by an ­undercover reporter from al-Jazeera’s investigative unit speaking about a number of British MPs.
    The Israeli ambassador, Mark Regev, apologised to Duncan on Friday. An Israeli spokesman said Regev made clear that “the embassy considered the remarks completely ­unacceptable”.
     
    I think "completely unacceptable" is Sir-Humphrey-speak for "whatcha gonna do about it?".
    Not a denial. Leaves that little frisson hanging in the air, a chilling effect on those who might be emboldened by our own sea-green incorruptible, Jezza Corbyn and his aeons-old pro-Pally, agin-Israel stance, which has accompanied recent very public and noisy harassment of other Old (Student) Leftie notables, such as Red Ken Livingstone, over alleged anti-semitism.

    I feel at the very least the dispatch of a gunboat is called for. Knock a few oranges off the trees, that sort of thing.

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  152. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Anon
    I can see why Derbyshire is very leery of offending The Chosen.

    Derbyshire knows all about what happened over at (the CIA funded?) The National Review (TNR) when The Tribe got Joe Sobran purged for Joe even mentioning that The Lobby seemed to have an inordinate amount of influence over US policies.

    Derb knows about how WF Buckley had to get down on his knees to beg forgiveness in order to keep his job for having approved the publishing of the articles about Jewish power. Buckley had to prove his contrition by acquiescing to the publication of an entire, scurrilous issue of TNR devoted to critiquing supposed right-wing antisemitism.

    Derbyshire knows full well how The Lobby, still wanting to make a continuing example of Sobran, made sure that Joe was unable to make a living after he had lost his job at TNR by repeatedly harassing potential employers with threats of what might happen if they employed "this antisemite."

    Derbyshire was around when the ADL and the SPLC were able to successfully apply pressure on The American Conservative Magazine to make sure that a job offer given to the now destitute Sobran to work there was revoked by its then editor, the execrable, society dilettante and Avon heir Scott McConnell because Sobran had spoken before people The Lobby hadn't approved of.

    With lessons like this, is it any wonder that people with bills to pay and mouths to feed are more than a little wary to offending this "powerless" group.

    BTW, Victor Davis Hansen has been proving little too uppity lately. IF history provides us any indication, he better start packing up his stuff in his office over at TNR post haste. The Lobby is becoming very uneasy with him and his former Neocon friends at TNR are starting to look at him funny.

    I agree with your description of (((***))) thing for Derbyshire.

    OT. Your modification of the name of historian (and author of the book “Mexifornia”)
    Victor Davis Hanson, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Davis_Hanson ,
    to “Hansen” is not surprising. The first line of Wiki article about historian Hanson is:
    “Not to be confused with Victor M. Hansen.”

    It also reminds ad by Adobe Acrobat, see
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNmRJiRarH0 ,
    where the hero insists: “The name’s Hunter”,
    while receptionist stubbornly tells: “No. I don’t have a Hunter”.

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  153. @Anon
    I can see why Derbyshire is very leery of offending The Chosen.

    Derbyshire knows all about what happened over at (the CIA funded?) The National Review (TNR) when The Tribe got Joe Sobran purged for Joe even mentioning that The Lobby seemed to have an inordinate amount of influence over US policies.

    Derb knows about how WF Buckley had to get down on his knees to beg forgiveness in order to keep his job for having approved the publishing of the articles about Jewish power. Buckley had to prove his contrition by acquiescing to the publication of an entire, scurrilous issue of TNR devoted to critiquing supposed right-wing antisemitism.

    Derbyshire knows full well how The Lobby, still wanting to make a continuing example of Sobran, made sure that Joe was unable to make a living after he had lost his job at TNR by repeatedly harassing potential employers with threats of what might happen if they employed "this antisemite."

    Derbyshire was around when the ADL and the SPLC were able to successfully apply pressure on The American Conservative Magazine to make sure that a job offer given to the now destitute Sobran to work there was revoked by its then editor, the execrable, society dilettante and Avon heir Scott McConnell because Sobran had spoken before people The Lobby hadn't approved of.

    With lessons like this, is it any wonder that people with bills to pay and mouths to feed are more than a little wary to offending this "powerless" group.

    BTW, Victor Davis Hansen has been proving little too uppity lately. IF history provides us any indication, he better start packing up his stuff in his office over at TNR post haste. The Lobby is becoming very uneasy with him and his former Neocon friends at TNR are starting to look at him funny.

    It happens.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jan/07/israeli-diplomat-shai-masot-caught-on-camera-plotting-to-take-down-uk-mps

    An Israeli embassy official has been caught on camera in an undercover sting plotting to “take down” MPs regarded as hostile, including foreign office minister Sir Alan Duncan, an outspoken supporter of a Palestinian state.
    In an extraordinary breach of diplomatic protocol, Shai Masot, who describes himself as an officer in the Israel Defence Forces and is serving as a senior political officer at the London embassy, was recorded by an ­undercover reporter from al-Jazeera’s investigative unit speaking about a number of British MPs.
    The Israeli ambassador, Mark Regev, apologised to Duncan on Friday. An Israeli spokesman said Regev made clear that “the embassy considered the remarks completely ­unacceptable”.

    I think “completely unacceptable” is Sir-Humphrey-speak for “whatcha gonna do about it?”.
    Not a denial. Leaves that little frisson hanging in the air, a chilling effect on those who might be emboldened by our own sea-green incorruptible, Jezza Corbyn and his aeons-old pro-Pally, agin-Israel stance, which has accompanied recent very public and noisy harassment of other Old (Student) Leftie notables, such as Red Ken Livingstone, over alleged anti-semitism.

    I feel at the very least the dispatch of a gunboat is called for. Knock a few oranges off the trees, that sort of thing.

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    In an extraordinary breach of diplomatic protocol, Shai Masot, who describes himself as an officer in the Israel Defence Forces and is serving as a senior political officer at the London embassy, was recorded by an ­undercover reporter from al-Jazeera’s investigative unit speaking about a number of British MPs.
     
    This Israeli government Jew was trying to influence an election - did the Brits through out 35 Israeli diplomats?

    NO -- why not?

    Did they through out one?

    Peace --- Art
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  154. uslabor says:
    @raphee
    Well actually the people who hate America find American support for Israel the main reason for or hating America.

    Well said.

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  155. Art says:
    @Expletive Deleted
    It happens.
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jan/07/israeli-diplomat-shai-masot-caught-on-camera-plotting-to-take-down-uk-mps

    An Israeli embassy official has been caught on camera in an undercover sting plotting to “take down” MPs regarded as hostile, including foreign office minister Sir Alan Duncan, an outspoken supporter of a Palestinian state.
    In an extraordinary breach of diplomatic protocol, Shai Masot, who describes himself as an officer in the Israel Defence Forces and is serving as a senior political officer at the London embassy, was recorded by an ­undercover reporter from al-Jazeera’s investigative unit speaking about a number of British MPs.
    The Israeli ambassador, Mark Regev, apologised to Duncan on Friday. An Israeli spokesman said Regev made clear that “the embassy considered the remarks completely ­unacceptable”.
     
    I think "completely unacceptable" is Sir-Humphrey-speak for "whatcha gonna do about it?".
    Not a denial. Leaves that little frisson hanging in the air, a chilling effect on those who might be emboldened by our own sea-green incorruptible, Jezza Corbyn and his aeons-old pro-Pally, agin-Israel stance, which has accompanied recent very public and noisy harassment of other Old (Student) Leftie notables, such as Red Ken Livingstone, over alleged anti-semitism.

    I feel at the very least the dispatch of a gunboat is called for. Knock a few oranges off the trees, that sort of thing.

    In an extraordinary breach of diplomatic protocol, Shai Masot, who describes himself as an officer in the Israel Defence Forces and is serving as a senior political officer at the London embassy, was recorded by an ­undercover reporter from al-Jazeera’s investigative unit speaking about a number of British MPs.

    This Israeli government Jew was trying to influence an election – did the Brits through out 35 Israeli diplomats?

    NO — why not?

    Did they through out one?

    Peace — Art

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    If anyone could work out why the oldest continuing state apparatus in the world bar the Vatican does or does not do anything at all, I'm certain the world would be a safer, happier and more stable place. It's probably there, buried in the Pipe Rolls or something. A bit like the Da Vinci Code, but far more cryptic.
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  156. @Art

    In an extraordinary breach of diplomatic protocol, Shai Masot, who describes himself as an officer in the Israel Defence Forces and is serving as a senior political officer at the London embassy, was recorded by an ­undercover reporter from al-Jazeera’s investigative unit speaking about a number of British MPs.
     
    This Israeli government Jew was trying to influence an election - did the Brits through out 35 Israeli diplomats?

    NO -- why not?

    Did they through out one?

    Peace --- Art

    If anyone could work out why the oldest continuing state apparatus in the world bar the Vatican does or does not do anything at all, I’m certain the world would be a safer, happier and more stable place. It’s probably there, buried in the Pipe Rolls or something. A bit like the Da Vinci Code, but far more cryptic.

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  157. NickG says:
    @survey-of-disinfo
    "The American Revolutionary war that resulted in US independence from Britain in 1776, was America’s first civil war. "

    My, what a forked tongue you have. If we accept your revisionist narrative, shouldn't that be "yet another British civil war"?

    https://youtu.be/njFOIvoN9pc

    We are not the British. We gave the finger to your "divine right of Kings', we bow before no man, and we ain't got no "Lords" lording it over us:

    https://youtu.be/EGgaXXBkE8A

    Got that NickG? An American Nation.

    shouldn’t that be “yet another British civil war”?

    That’s certainly a reasonable way of looking at it too, given the bulk of protagonists – on both sides – were British and on the American side, of recent English stock bolstered by Ulster Scots, Welsh and Scots. The second largest group – fewer than 10% being of German origin.

    Ironically enough, the Crown/ Loyalist forces did employ a considerable number of Hessian – that is to say German – mercenaries, around 30,000.

    Even 1790 figures show settlers of British stock represented the bulk of Americans, some 80% – that’s after many Loyalists had left America for Canada, the Bahamas and elsewhere.

    There is no doubt that the American Revolutionary war was, in essence, a civil war between ethnic Britons.

    This is so irrespective of your put out tone, which seems unnecessary.

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  158. @Mark Green
    This was a hopelessly unoriginal and uninspiring essay. Not Derb's first I might add. Please compare this article with his previous screed about "Murdering Muslims".

    Yes, Mr. Derbyshire does give voice to those of us who wish to protect our civilization from debasement-via-immigration, but his omissions do damage, too.

    Surely Derb must understand that the wave of 'murderous Muslims' into Europe (and N. America) is a by-product of Zio-Washington's murderous onslaught. Does he not?

    So why then does he consistently fail to examine this crucial fact in any depth?

    Years of aggressive, Zionist-friendly interventions in the Muslim world have dislocated millions of hapless souls. They're here because we're there. And it's we who started dropping bombs first. That fact is vital to remember. It identifies the cause as well as the initial wrongdoer. What's worse, this process is still underway.

    Thus, the story about unwanted Muslim refugees into the West in no way parallels the conundrum involving waves of (economic) refugees pouring into America from the Mexico.

    Please devote some time to making this distinction in a future article, Derb.

    And why, Mr. Derbyshire, are we waging serial warfare in the Middle East in the first place?

    Please don't dish up that 'war for oil' canard. That yarn has been a myth from the start. Even today, pro-Israel policies being imposed by Washington to keep Iranian oil off the global market. But why? This hurts consumers. The goal is to cause injury to Iran and to weaken Iran. This is an Israeli objective. And it keeps happening.

    Zionized Washington did the the same to Saddam Hussein (preventing him from selling oil) before we finally bombed Iraq into oblivion. It never ends. And few speak out. Indeed, Zionist concerns generally trump domestic interests in Official Washington. Amazing, but true. These 'values' have cost countless US jobs, not to mention lives. Right now, Boeing is about to lose a huge export deal with Iran due to crypto-Israeli meddling. This is not unusual. Israel's preeminence over mere domestic interests is a permanent part of Washington. It's been this way for decades.

    When Nixon/Kissinger, for instance, saved Israel's ass during the Yom Kippur war, it precipitated the infamous 1973 Arab oil embargo. Economic fallout was vast, deep, and long-lasting. Incredibly, most Americans remain completely unaware of these facts.

    Pro-Zionist, US-conducted wars have pushed millions Iraqis, Syrians, Libyans and Palestinians out of their homelands and into the 'de-racialized' West. Unnecessary Anglo-Zionist aggression has given life and legitimacy to rising Muslim outrage. This is a real and worsening security issue. All Americans are affected. And it can be tied to Israel's hold on Washington. Yet Derb consistently fails address this matter or connect any dots. Why?

    Does Mr. Derbyshire suffer from avoidance anxiety? It sure looks that way.

    John Derbyshire--while contributing mightily to the otherwise empty 'national discussion on race'--is clearly too timid to forthrightly examine the harmful impact that decades of Zionist activism has had on immigration and other urgent matters, including the decline of white living standards.

    This should interest any honest immigration restrictionist. But not Derb.

    And who/what's behind the ongoing taboos that target white racial cohesion and identity?
    Any idea, Derb? It's not just the Leftwing 'social justice warriors'.

    As for Muslim immigration, Zio-Washington's needless annihilation of Iraq, Libya, Syria and Palestine has produced this wave of these refugees. Why not explore this phenomena closely and honestly?

    Derb's oversights are not a minor detail. They fit a pattern. Incredibly, Derb cites Israel as a shining example of what America should do about uninvited immigrants--yet never examines the key role that Zionist militarism and Zio-liberal 'anti-racist' activism has had on the white Western world.

    Derb's omissions are no aberration. I recall his negative review of MacDonald's seminal 'Culture of Critique' in American Conservative Magazine nearly 15 years ago.

    Derb therefore has a pretty good inkling about who's in mostly-in-charge and who's overwhelmingly responsible for America's preemptive wars, the lax immigration policies into the West (as opposed to Israel), and the subversive, demographic transformation of the Western world.

    But he dares not speak its name.

    Why not say it out loud, Derb?

    Why?

    Derb is scared.

    He's rolled-over on this subject previously and he's still looking the other way. It's an embarrassing pattern. And now Derb is pretending--yet again--that Israel's artificial centrality in American life is not particularly important and ultimately unrelated to the West's destructive trajectory.

    Derb's blithe attitude is foolish, disingenuous and craven.

    Like the tenured members of that long and boring list of safe and acceptable pundits who we see on TV and read in America's few surviving newspapers, Derb is terrified of being labeled an 'anti-Semite'. So he's taken a middle course.

    It could be worse, sure. But it certainly could be better.

    We've got plenty of Muslim-bashers already, Derb. And most anyone who has lived among blacks understands their numerous inadequacies.

    When will Derb step up to the plate, take a risk, and make a bold contribution?

    Until he and others take that step, countless Americans will believe that all it takes is another Mideast war to solve our security problems. But that avenue is a dead end. We've done enough needless damage there already. Let's set our course right by solving our problems here and respecting other nation's borders, just as we insist they do the same.

    Just now seeing this comment, and it’s great, 100% agreement. Derb really is useless. The great things he writes on race are more than reversed by his willing blindness on the Zionist/Jewish issue.

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  159. @iffen
    Why do Arabs and/or Muslims care more about Israel than, for instance, the Chinese oppression of Uyghur Muslims (recently evidenced by the Chinese state demolishing 5000 mosques within a span of a few months)?

    Because to the Islamic mind, control of Jerusalem is what matters.

    What do have to back this?

    I have never read a good explanation as to why they attacked Israel in 1948. I always just assumed it was because they were devout Jew-haters.

    Of course you did; you believe EVERYONE is a “devout Jew-hater”.

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