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This year—I just have time to notice!—marks the 25th birthday of Godwin’s Law.

In case you don’t know Godwin’s Law, here’s the background. The internet was the plaything of academics and government types until 1989, when the first dial-up access was made available to general users. Just one year later, in 1990, Mike Godwin formulated Godwin’s Law, a universal principle describing the behavior of online discussion groups.

That was 25 years ago.

Godwin’s Law, in its original form, says the following thing:

As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.

A probability of one is, of course, certainty.

Well, the latest manifestation of Godwin’s Law showed up this week in—would you believe it?—The New York Times. This was an Op-Ed column by Roger Cohen[Email him] in the December 14th edition of the Gray Lady. Title of the column: Trump’s Weimar America.

“Weimar” here is short for the Weimar Republic, the constitutional order under which Germany was governed between 1919 and 1933, before the Nazi Party came to power.

That’s Roger Cohen’s thesis: Today’s U.S.A., he’s saying, is the Weimar Republic.Donald Trump is Adolf Hitler.

Just to remind you: This is The New York Times, America’s premier broadsheet newspaper.

Here’s a sample of Cohen’s argument.

The Weimar Republic ended with a clown’s ascent to power, a high-energy buffoon who shouted loudest, a bully from the beer halls, a racist and a bigot. He was an outsider given to theatrics and pageantry. He seduced the nation of Beethoven. He took the world down with him.

This is such low-grade stuff, it’s wearisome to have to deal with it. Somebody has to, though, so here goes.

First off, as I said, writing about this same tedious topic five years ago, Hitler’s Germany does not map into any large tendency in modern American politics. Some particular components of it map into localized phenomena; but even when this happens, it is usually to some similar feature of our political Left.

Take the universities, for example. In Weimar Germany they were bastions of Nazism. I’m going to quote myself again, this time from my book Prime Obsession, page 255. The subject here is the university town of Göttingen, a great center of mathematical excellence in the 19th and early 20th centuries of which I wrote that

Göttingen at large was rather strong for Hitler. This was true of both “town” and “gown.” In the 1930 elections, Göttingen had delivered twice as many votes to Hitler’s party as the national average; and the Nazis had a majority in the university’s student congress as far back as 1926.

The politicization of the Academy was a key part of Hitler’s program, as it has been a key part of the modern American Left’s program. In both cases it has been very successful.

So if it’s parallels with the Weimar Republic that Roger Cohen seeks, perhaps he should visit our university campuses.

For that matter, the quasi-pagan nature worship characteristic of Nazi culture has resurfaced in far-Left environmental and animal-rights groups. Hitler would have been a great enthusiast for climate-change alarmism.

Antisemitism is more complicated. The biggest coherent groups of anti-Semites in the U.S.A. today are blacks and Muslims, two groups that are situated pretty solidly on the political Left.

There’s antisemitism on the nationalist Right, too, though, of course. You don’t need to tell me, I know all about it. As an anti-anti-Semite myself, with a long paper trail in evidence of that, I get emails sneering at me for cowardice because I stubbornly refuse to “name the Jew.”

Yes, there are anti-Semites in the Dissident Right, plenty of them. But there are plenty of us anti-anti-Semites too, though; not to mention a fair number of Jews. The last Dissident-Right function I attended was the annual conference of the H.L. Mencken Club in November. The speaker roster at that event included Bob Weissberg, Ed Rubenstein, Carl Horowitz, and the club’s founder Paul Gottfried.

But, hey, don’t take my word for it: The Mencken Club publishes online audio of conference speeches. American Renaissance publishes online video of their conferences. Check ’em out for yourself; and if you spot an anti-Semitic rant, let me know.

And, by the way, none of the following is anti-Semitic in any way I understand the word.

  • Calling out individual Jews like Roger Cohen when they write dumb things.
  • Noticing that the very high average IQ of Ashkenazi Jews brings them disproportionate representation in a lot of intellectual fields.
  • Criticizing the immigration romanticism that is widespread—not universal, but widespread—among American Jews: the belief that what was good for America back in the Grover Cleveland administration is good for America today, in wildly different circumstances.
  • Pointing out the hypocrisy of ethnocentric Jews squealing in horror at expressions of ethnocentrism by white gentiles.
  • Wondering why, since it was a white gentile-dominated America that encouraged mass settlement of Jews in the first place, expressions of collective gratitude seem to be far outnumbered by expressions of collective hostility.

What does any of that have to do with Donald Trump, anyway? The blogger who calls himself “Lion of the Blogosphere” had an interesting post about this the other day. Quote:

If Trump becomes president he will be the most culturally Jewish president in American history. His daughter is Jewish, and probably a plurality of his top employees are Jewish. His CFO Allen Weisselberg and his top lawyers Alan Garten and Jason Greenblatt (Yeshiva University graduate) are likely Jewish based on their last names. As well as his attorney and Executive Vice President Michael Cohen who often represents Trump on TV interviews and his previous general counsel Bernie Diamond. And Cathy Hoffman Glosser, his EVP of Global Licensing. And Eric Danziger, the CEO of the Trump Hotel Collection. And the old guy who worked for him on his TV Show, George Ross. And of course his own daughter who is his EVP of Development and Acquisitions.

Also, Trump once served as the grand marshal of the Salute to Israel Parade.

Irony Of Trump And White Nationalists, December 14, 2015

There are a great many things you can say about all this.

But if the thing you want to say is that Donald Trump maps onto Adolf Hitler, and Trump’s supporters map onto the Nazi Party of Weimar Germany, then I’m afraid I’m going to have to say:

“You’re nuts.”

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John Derbyshire [email him] writes an incredible amount on all sorts of subjectsfor all kinds of outlets. (This no longer includes National Review, whose editors had some kind of tantrum and fired him. ) He is the author of We Are Doomed: Reclaiming Conservative Pessimism and several other books. He’s had two books published by VDARE.com: FROM THE DISSIDENT RIGHT (also available in Kindle) and From the Dissident Right II: Essays 2013. His writings are archived atJohnDerbyshire.com.

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  1. I think of Roger Cohen more of as a Brit than a Jew, although he’s both. The Brits have been almost uniformly hostile to Trump, something he should remember very well when he’s elected President. I would recommend pulling out of NATO and finding more common ground with Putin. Britain’s nothing but bad news.

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    I'm British and I think Trump is great. So do my friends.
    , @Simon in London
    I would recommend Britain pulling out of NATO and finding more common ground with Putin. America's nothing but bad news.
    , @Bill B.
    But hardly a patriotic Brit.

    Cohen's column around the time of the Battle of Britain anniversary was a giant smear against a country that had allegedly survived only by clinging to America's shirttails - but in his spleen forgetting that Britain had fought alone in Europe for more than two years before Pearl Harbour.

    Cohen is the classic cosmopolitan Jew in the mould of Eric Hobsbawm who despises that country that took his family in (from South Africa) and provided him with an elite education.
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  2. Svigor says:

    On the other hand, Jews do seem to be busily doing what they were doing during the Weimar period, in spades.

    If You Think Donald Trump Is Adolf Hitler, You’re Nuts

    Derb, leftists seem congenitally inclined toward debasing their own currency.

    And yes they’re nuts.

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  3. Svigor says:

    As an anti-anti-Semite myself, with a long paper trail in evidence of that, I get emails sneering at me for cowardice because I stubbornly refuse to “name the Jew.”

    Well, anti-anti-semitism isn’t exactly brave, now is it?

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    • Replies: @dana
    It is in the alt right
    , @Hugo
    What do you expect from a cuck like Derb? He's an academic not a warrior. Take him for what he is and no more. If we as a people are to get our liberty back we will indeed need to confront the adversarial nature of Judaism but, Derb aint the guy to do it.
    , @Lot

    Well, anti-anti-semitism isn’t exactly brave, now is it?
     
    Derb opposed the Iraq War and Occupation and advocated for race realism in a mainstream publication for more than a decade until they canned him for it.

    He also signs his names to his opinions, and raised a patriot who joined the Army right out of high school.

    Your anonymous slander, by contrast....
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  4. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Groovy Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:

    John

    I think you get the wrong map…The correct map is actually this:Roger Cohen,The Democratic Party, and POTUS 2016..THE HAIRY BULLDYKE!!..are homeomorphic to the Jew-Pure State of Israel.

    And this is just anther way of saying:Jew-Pure Israel Prime Minister Benajamin Netanyahu=The Democratic Party….

    Its that coffee cup-donut thing going on here.

    Another way to put it:The Democratic Party is a deformation retract onto Jew-Pure Israel!!!!!…24 hours a day…365 days a year!!! Exact same hyper-ethnic Jew Pure Israel homology group…H1(Israel)=Jewish Racial Nationalism….H1(The Democratic Party)=Jewish Racial Nationalism…..The higher homology groups are no different…Wouldn’t be to hard to calculate the exact sequence…and don’t forget:IsraeltimesThe Democratic Party=The Democratic PartytimesIsrael=common eigenvalue=common spectrum=Hyper-Jew Pure Israeli Racial Nationalism wavelength!!!!(ABtimesBA=same Jewish eigenvalue…..in an operator theory sense).

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  5. Tom_R says:

    MAD JEW OF THE DAY—COHEN THE SHAMELESS.
    JEWISH SUCCESS DUE TO NEPOTISM.

    I think the Jew York Times has become the cesspool which hires the most deranged Judaists, spewing hate. Not a day goes by, without a “mad Jew of the day” spewing hate against their own white race under the delusion that he is a “Jew”.

    If Cohen had any brains, he would realize that the Torah is a forgery (which even kids can in a minute, as the fact that it is fiction is obvious form book 1, page 1), that the mythical Abraham was a pimp, and that Moses (who was so black, the Pharaoh never saw him any different) never existed and get out of this fake African negroid cult called Judaism.

    By doing so, he would be able recover from his delusions and the mental illness that is Judaism and become civilized and start admiring Trump.

    P.S: I do not think their over-representation in fields with money and power is due to their extra intelligence. Yes, they are intelligent (being white) and maybe a bit more so, possibly.

    But it is mostly due to nepotism, exclusivity, discrimination towards others, corruption, bribery, criminality and Christian naivete. A big factor in the nepotism is their belief that they are “one people” (lately stated by Israeli President on his recent trip to Jew-S-A), which also leads them to sleep with each other freely, such as the Rabbi who was able to get 500 Jewish women who went to bed with him easily (in the book, Sex, Lies and Rabbis).

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    SECRET TO JEWISH SUCCESS?
    NEPOTISM & CONNECTIONS AND BEING CROOKS AND CRIMINALS.

    The secret of Jewish success cannot be their IQ. The Ashkenazi, being whites, and having remained white (in contrast the general whites who have been brainwashed into malcegenations by the Judiasts) would have a high IQ, similar to most northern European whites. In fact, the average IQ of Israel is about <= 100.

    The secret of Jewish success is their nepotism—they can call each other up, speak in Hebrew, mention their Synagogue and their rabbi and can get a top job, investment, scholarship, or admission to a top school, or govt. grant/contract, in no time. Or they have their Rabbis call for them and do the same.

    Their nepotism is not just due to a shared religion, but it is further fostered by their (mistaken) belief that are “one people” and biologically related to each other, and as “one big family.”

    They also use their connections in govt. to get billion in govt. grants and contracts.

    http://www.jta.org/2013/07/01/life-religion/thanks-to-advocacy-effort-jewish-schools-reap-hundreds-of-millions-in-govt-money

    http://forward.com/news/164946/yeshivas-score-huge-pell-grant-windfall/

    It states that they get 53% of the Pell grants to religious schools, (though serving 2% of the general public).

    Diane Feinstein’s husband has been getting billions from post offices:

    http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/dianne-feinsteins-husbands-real-estate-firm-poised-make-1-billion-selling-post

    There was news a few years ago about how govt. gave millions in contracts to Jewish kid with zero experience. I am searching for that link and will add when I find it.

    JUDAISTS PROVE THAT CRIME PAYS, AND BIG CRIME PAYS BIGGER.

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  6. I need a little more convincing to believe that “Hitler would have been a great enthusiast for climate-change alarmism.”

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    Yeah, climate-change is such a contemporary flavour it's hard to say for sure. But other kinds of more traditional environmentalism like conservation, vegetarianism, even animal rights, could be possible implications of his views. Not necessarily priorities, but he would probably have set aside quite a lot of conservation land once he had cleared it of people...

    The Nazis did have a strong streak of green romanticism.
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  7. dana says: • Website
    @Svigor

    As an anti-anti-Semite myself, with a long paper trail in evidence of that, I get emails sneering at me for cowardice because I stubbornly refuse to “name the Jew.”
     
    Well, anti-anti-semitism isn't exactly brave, now is it?

    It is in the alt right

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    More stoic than brave; the anti-semites can't hurt the pro-semites, but they can be tiresome.
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  8. Tom_R says:
    @Tom_R
    MAD JEW OF THE DAY—COHEN THE SHAMELESS.
    JEWISH SUCCESS DUE TO NEPOTISM.

    I think the Jew York Times has become the cesspool which hires the most deranged Judaists, spewing hate. Not a day goes by, without a “mad Jew of the day” spewing hate against their own white race under the delusion that he is a “Jew”.

    If Cohen had any brains, he would realize that the Torah is a forgery (which even kids can in a minute, as the fact that it is fiction is obvious form book 1, page 1), that the mythical Abraham was a pimp, and that Moses (who was so black, the Pharaoh never saw him any different) never existed and get out of this fake African negroid cult called Judaism.

    By doing so, he would be able recover from his delusions and the mental illness that is Judaism and become civilized and start admiring Trump.

    P.S: I do not think their over-representation in fields with money and power is due to their extra intelligence. Yes, they are intelligent (being white) and maybe a bit more so, possibly.

    But it is mostly due to nepotism, exclusivity, discrimination towards others, corruption, bribery, criminality and Christian naivete. A big factor in the nepotism is their belief that they are “one people” (lately stated by Israeli President on his recent trip to Jew-S-A), which also leads them to sleep with each other freely, such as the Rabbi who was able to get 500 Jewish women who went to bed with him easily (in the book, Sex, Lies and Rabbis).

    SECRET TO JEWISH SUCCESS?
    NEPOTISM & CONNECTIONS AND BEING CROOKS AND CRIMINALS.

    The secret of Jewish success cannot be their IQ. The Ashkenazi, being whites, and having remained white (in contrast the general whites who have been brainwashed into malcegenations by the Judiasts) would have a high IQ, similar to most northern European whites. In fact, the average IQ of Israel is about <= 100.

    The secret of Jewish success is their nepotism—they can call each other up, speak in Hebrew, mention their Synagogue and their rabbi and can get a top job, investment, scholarship, or admission to a top school, or govt. grant/contract, in no time. Or they have their Rabbis call for them and do the same.

    Their nepotism is not just due to a shared religion, but it is further fostered by their (mistaken) belief that are “one people” and biologically related to each other, and as “one big family.”

    They also use their connections in govt. to get billion in govt. grants and contracts.

    http://www.jta.org/2013/07/01/life-religion/thanks-to-advocacy-effort-jewish-schools-reap-hundreds-of-millions-in-govt-money

    http://forward.com/news/164946/yeshivas-score-huge-pell-grant-windfall/

    It states that they get 53% of the Pell grants to religious schools, (though serving 2% of the general public).

    Diane Feinstein’s husband has been getting billions from post offices:

    http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/dianne-feinsteins-husbands-real-estate-firm-poised-make-1-billion-selling-post

    There was news a few years ago about how govt. gave millions in contracts to Jewish kid with zero experience. I am searching for that link and will add when I find it.

    JUDAISTS PROVE THAT CRIME PAYS, AND BIG CRIME PAYS BIGGER.

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    While there is nepotism of course, IME it's similar to what you see with any non-WASP/NW European group (but they have WASP style high ability with non-WASP style nepotism). The distinguishing Jewish feature is more a kind of restless Faustian drive to achieve - to gain wealth, power, recognition etc - on average more strongly than other people, combined with a sense of insecurity.
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  9. Hugo says:
    @Svigor

    As an anti-anti-Semite myself, with a long paper trail in evidence of that, I get emails sneering at me for cowardice because I stubbornly refuse to “name the Jew.”
     
    Well, anti-anti-semitism isn't exactly brave, now is it?

    What do you expect from a cuck like Derb? He’s an academic not a warrior. Take him for what he is and no more. If we as a people are to get our liberty back we will indeed need to confront the adversarial nature of Judaism but, Derb aint the guy to do it.

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    "If we as a people are to get our liberty back we will indeed need to confront the adversarial nature of Judaism"

    It is the nearly universal mindset of obedience to government that needs confronting. That is the saddlery by which the rider rides people into servitude.

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  10. Lot says:

    Wondering why, since it was a white gentile-dominated America that encouraged mass settlement of Jews in the first place, expressions of collective gratitude seem to be far outnumbered by expressions of collective hostility.

    Good article except this head-scratcher.

    The vast majority of Jews in America are descendants of people who can between 1840 and 1924. There wasn’t encouragement so much as lack of regulation and a giant desire for labor, skilled and unskilled both. I don’t like seeing Jews attack white American culture, but I don’t think we owe it any special sense of gratitude either above what any other European group owes.

    I also have no idea what expressions of collective hostility is supposed to mean, except that you might feel that particular obnoxious Jews saying anti-White American things represent us collectively, which they do not.

    Please keep up the good work pushing back at anti-Semitism in the dissident right, which is an embarrassment that will stop us from ever reaching real influence.

    The good news is that the online anti-Semitism you see on Unz.com is mostly just a reflection of his large collection of full-time Israel bashers. The average Trump voter has at least some awareness of HBD issues and is extremely philo-semetic, as is Trump himself. And over in Europe, Geert Wilders and Marine LePen stand in solidarity with Israel.

    Indeed her boyfriend and party VP is one quarter Jewish. Here they are together in a quote photo:

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    Although the French had a good run at it, it is really hard to have an authentic French anti-Semitism once you cease to have a really Catholic France.

    Absent the religious considerations, one is left with blood and soil. The French are a [anciently] mixed people like all the peoples of Europe- they are descended from the Gallo-Romans but conscious of their Germanic Frankish heritage, which is the foundation of the modern nation.

    Problem with anti-Semitism is that the Jews were in Gaul well ahead of the Franks.
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  11. Lot says:

    Yes, there are anti-Semites in the Dissident Right, plenty of them. But there are plenty of us anti-anti-Semites too, though; not to mention a fair number of Jews. The last Dissident-Right function I attended was the annual conference of the H.L. Mencken Club in November. The speaker roster at that event included Bob Weissberg, Ed Rubenstein, Carl Horowitz, and the club’s founder Paul Gottfried.

    Another place you’ll see plenty of Jews are the new media sites that serve as a bridge between the elite intellectual dissident right and the mass anti-PC/anti-immigration right, most especially Breitbart and DailyCaller.

    I think both would have published Derb’s “The Talk” article without second thought and blown off the critics calling for his head.

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  12. Lot says:
    @Svigor

    As an anti-anti-Semite myself, with a long paper trail in evidence of that, I get emails sneering at me for cowardice because I stubbornly refuse to “name the Jew.”
     
    Well, anti-anti-semitism isn't exactly brave, now is it?

    Well, anti-anti-semitism isn’t exactly brave, now is it?

    Derb opposed the Iraq War and Occupation and advocated for race realism in a mainstream publication for more than a decade until they canned him for it.

    He also signs his names to his opinions, and raised a patriot who joined the Army right out of high school.

    Your anonymous slander, by contrast….

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    "Derb opposed the Iraq War "

    Er no, he famously apologised afterwards for having supported it.

    http://www.salon.com/2006/06/12/apology_8/

    Personally, as someone who regularly argues that there should be no forgetting and no forgiving for those who were sufficiently evil or incompetent to have supported a war that plenty of us recognised at the time was literally stupid, Derbyshire is one of the few I'd make an exception for.
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  13. @Hugo
    What do you expect from a cuck like Derb? He's an academic not a warrior. Take him for what he is and no more. If we as a people are to get our liberty back we will indeed need to confront the adversarial nature of Judaism but, Derb aint the guy to do it.

    “If we as a people are to get our liberty back we will indeed need to confront the adversarial nature of Judaism”

    It is the nearly universal mindset of obedience to government that needs confronting. That is the saddlery by which the rider rides people into servitude.

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  14. Thirdeye says:

    Here’s the logic:

    Hitler was a fascist.

    Hitler was bad to the Jews.

    Therefore Jews can’t be fascist.*

    Trump hires Jews.

    Therefore Trump can’t be fascist.

    *Don’t think about the fascist, racist aspects of religious Zionism, or Jewish support for fascists in Ukraine.

    I personally don’t think Trump is a fascist, but that argument centered on him hiring Jews is a weak one.

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  15. Mark Green says: • Website

    Once again, John Derbyshire has absolutely nothing new or interesting to say. Why not take a week off periodically?

    But it’s very nice to hear that Mr. Derbyshire is an ‘anti-anti-Semite’. That’s quite a bold position, John.

    Do keep up the courageous and important work. Jews everywhere are in grave danger without your daring interventions and outspoken compliments.

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    Mark, you are in the spotlight here:

    ''more "antisemitism" is needed, not less' / Mark Green'
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10004

    And BTW, Derb:

    There are the 'Nazis' with the mythological '6M & gas chambers' and there are the 'Nazis' without the mythological '6M & gas chambers'.

    The '6M & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here:
    www.codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com

    The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship.
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  16. Svigor says:

    It is in the alt right

    No it isn’t.

    Derb opposed the Iraq War and Occupation

    So did I, from the minute the rumors about it started. In fact, so did the overwhelming majority of WNs. In fact, I think “overwhelming majority” might be an understatement. I don’t remember any WNs advocating that war. And I wouldn’t call this “brave,” regardless of whether someone used a handle or not. On the other hand, I don’t make my living in print media.

    and advocated for race realism in a mainstream publication for more than a decade

    That’s pretty brave, insofar as it’s true.

    Your anonymous slander, by contrast….

    You’d better lie down and loosen your corset.

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  17. Svigor says:

    One place you see pretty much zero Jews is in advocating, in a broad or narrow sense, Euro populations having for themselves what Jews have for themselves in Israel. Quite the contrary.

    Good article except this head-scratcher.

    Yeah, it’s a real mystery wrapped inside an enigma.

    I think both would have published Derb’s “The Talk” article without second thought and blown off the critics calling for his head.

    Yeah, Jews on the “dissident right” are much keener on acknowledging black malfeasance than Jewish malfeasance, that’s for sure. Funny how they become leftists again when the latter subject rears its head.

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    Yeah, Jews on the “dissident right” are much keener on acknowledging black malfeasance than Jewish malfeasance, that’s for sure.
     
    Jews are model citizens on pretty much any factor you look at: crime, welfare dependency, home ownership, educational attainment, divorce, savings rate, alcoholism. They only things we are collectively bad at is encouraging our bright young people to reproduce early and often.

    It is your type that wants white people to turn on each other rather than unite to protect our countries against race replacement.
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  18. Svigor says:

    Funny how it’s okay to “name the Jews” on the “dissident right” for a “dissident right” audience, but doing the same thing for the leftist establishment is bad Bad BAD, lacks rigor, etc. As is, I presume, going to a leftist venue and “naming the Jews” on the “dissident right.”

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  19. Rehmat says:

    Nope Derbyshire – Donald Trump could be Shakespeare’s Shylock but certainly not Adolf Hitler, who is still very popular in German and India.

    Indian-born American writer, author and blogger, Dr. Susmit Kumar PhD, claims that Hitler, not Gandhi, should be given credit for the independence of India in 1947.

    “World War II had a profound effect on the colonial powers because it completely destroyed their economies. Although Hitler committed crimes against humanity, I give him credit – for India’s independence immediately after World War II. Hitler destroyed the economies of Britain and France to such an extent that they were no longer able financially to maintain their military forces, and hence were incapable of containing the burgeoning freedom movements in their colonies. It is worth noting that Britain was in such bad shape that it received about one-fourth of the total aid given under the Marshall Plan. Regardless Gandhi or any other charismatic leader, Britain would have left India in 1947 purely for financial reasons, due to its wholly collapsed economy. After WW II, Britain not only left India, but all its holdings,” says Kumar.

    http://rehmat1.com/2014/06/30/hindu-author-india-owes-its-indepence-to-hitler/

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    Those Indian nationalists are entirely right. The British would have held on a deal longer if it wasn't for the war, and so would most of the other imperial powers, not least because the USSR would have been in a weaker position and the US less motivated to undermine the empires, though both would have worked to do so soon enough.

    Gandhi was merely the figurehead of inevitability in a particular set of geopolitical/economic conditions. A sort of Marxian prophet.

    Apropos of nothing except the general scenarios of Hitler-love in the third world and the Nazi impact on India, I comment to anyone's amusement these two works:

    1. The Trial of Adolf Hitler by Philippe van Rijndt; It's a '70s potboiler, with a predictable albeit morally ambiguous ending; but entertaining. It features extensive political support for Hitler from African leaders, for his economically nationalist stance against globalization and the colonialist Anglo powers.

    2. The Last Article. Harry Turtledove's short story about the German occupation of India following a German victory. IIRC, the entire thing is a conversation between Gandhi and the new Reichsprotektor, Field Marshal Model. For those of us predisposed to scorn Gandhi, it is worth a laugh.
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  20. Blobby5 says:

    Will you animals stop attacking Derb?! He is a beautiful man, even if he can’t pronounce ‘schedule’ correctly.

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    even if he can’t pronounce ‘schedule’ correctly.
     
    What do you think of Derb's pronunciation of 'Derbyshire'? :)
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  21. Jefferson says:

    If Donald Trump is exactly like Adolf Hitler, why hasn’t he thrown his half Jewish grandchildren into the gas chamber yet? Or at least put them in a concentration camp for the rest of their lives.

    Donald Trump is more like Silvio Berlusconi.

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  22. 22pp22 says:
    @Bragadocious
    I think of Roger Cohen more of as a Brit than a Jew, although he's both. The Brits have been almost uniformly hostile to Trump, something he should remember very well when he's elected President. I would recommend pulling out of NATO and finding more common ground with Putin. Britain's nothing but bad news.

    I’m British and I think Trump is great. So do my friends.

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    I'm impressed by him too, though I can't say I like him personally, he does seem to be what America needs to return to some kind of sanity.
    , @Randal
    I'm English and I'm warming to Trump.

    But the British political and media establishment here, and the majority who take their opinions from those leaders, are certainly lockstep against him, as they are (for much the same reasons) against Farage.
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  23. Wally [AKA "BobbyBeGood"] says: • Website
    @Mark Green
    Once again, John Derbyshire has absolutely nothing new or interesting to say. Why not take a week off periodically?

    But it's very nice to hear that Mr. Derbyshire is an 'anti-anti-Semite'. That's quite a bold position, John.

    Do keep up the courageous and important work. Jews everywhere are in grave danger without your daring interventions and outspoken compliments.

    Mark, you are in the spotlight here:

    ”more “antisemitism” is needed, not less’ / Mark Green’

    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10004

    And BTW, Derb:

    There are the ‘Nazis’ with the mythological ’6M & gas chambers’ and there are the ‘Nazis’ without the mythological ’6M & gas chambers’.

    The ’6M & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:
    http://www.codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:

    http://forum.codoh.com

    The ‘holocaust’ storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship.

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  24. Lot says:
    @Svigor
    One place you see pretty much zero Jews is in advocating, in a broad or narrow sense, Euro populations having for themselves what Jews have for themselves in Israel. Quite the contrary.

    Good article except this head-scratcher.
     
    Yeah, it's a real mystery wrapped inside an enigma.

    I think both would have published Derb’s “The Talk” article without second thought and blown off the critics calling for his head.
     
    Yeah, Jews on the "dissident right" are much keener on acknowledging black malfeasance than Jewish malfeasance, that's for sure. Funny how they become leftists again when the latter subject rears its head.

    Yeah, Jews on the “dissident right” are much keener on acknowledging black malfeasance than Jewish malfeasance, that’s for sure.

    Jews are model citizens on pretty much any factor you look at: crime, welfare dependency, home ownership, educational attainment, divorce, savings rate, alcoholism. They only things we are collectively bad at is encouraging our bright young people to reproduce early and often.

    It is your type that wants white people to turn on each other rather than unite to protect our countries against race replacement.

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  25. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says: • Website

    FDR rounded up the Jappers and Truman nuked them. Truman also abetted Nakba.

    So, they must have been Hitlers.

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  26. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says: • Website

    Globalism is imperialism.

    Anti-imperialism said, ‘you foreigners have no right to invade our territory.’

    Globalism says, ‘you natives have no right to defend your territory.’

    Anti-imperialism said, ‘we have a special right to our land.’

    Globalism says, ‘you have no special right to your land.’

    Globalism is driven by Jews and pushed all over the world except in Israel.

    Jewish globo-supremacists hate the idea of natives owning and controlling their own nations.
    It gets in the way of Jewish infiltration and penetration. Like in Russia and China, and unlike US and EU and their satellites like Poland, Japan Sweden, Germany, and Korea where Jews have total sway.

    So, Jews hide their agenda with the universal rhetoric of all the world belonging to everyone.
    We are told that all the world belongs to all the peoples of the world. This gives smart and ruthless Jews the pathway into every nation to gain elite control via finance, soft power, and NGO’s. Jews gain most since they got the brains, cunning, and connections.

    What is happening in the EU threatens the entire world since the western template affects ideology all over the world.

    If the West says ‘the west belongs equally to all peoples’, then the logical conclusion is that the Rest also belongs to all the peoples. No nation(except Israel) belongs especially to any single people,and that means any nation can be invaded en masse and must not resist(lest it be ‘xenophobic’).

    And since all the world belongs to all the people, the very notion of ‘invasion’ will be moot. If all the world belongs to you, then you can’t ‘invade’ what is already yours. And your land cannot be said to be ‘invaded’ by others since all the world(and not just your people) own it.
    For example, if 100 million Hindus invade Iran, it’s not an invasion since Iran belongs equally to Hindus as to Iranians according to globalism.

    Globalism is universal imperialism where all invade all.

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  27. Numinous says:

    If You Think Donald Trump Is Adolf Hitler, You’re Nuts

    Yep, he’s Karl Lueger. Though Hitlers sometimes follow Luegers, hence the need for caution.

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    Well, I give you credit for knowing the man existed. But then I take it away again for a comparison with not one similar point.
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  28. 5371 says:
    @Numinous

    If You Think Donald Trump Is Adolf Hitler, You’re Nuts
     
    Yep, he's Karl Lueger. Though Hitlers sometimes follow Luegers, hence the need for caution.

    Well, I give you credit for knowing the man existed. But then I take it away again for a comparison with not one similar point.

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  29. MEH 0910 says:
    @Blobby5
    Will you animals stop attacking Derb?! He is a beautiful man, even if he can't pronounce 'schedule' correctly.

    even if he can’t pronounce ‘schedule’ correctly.

    What do you think of Derb’s pronunciation of ‘Derbyshire’? :)

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    In all else he is infallible, like the Pope used to be.
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  30. @Bragadocious
    I think of Roger Cohen more of as a Brit than a Jew, although he's both. The Brits have been almost uniformly hostile to Trump, something he should remember very well when he's elected President. I would recommend pulling out of NATO and finding more common ground with Putin. Britain's nothing but bad news.

    I would recommend Britain pulling out of NATO and finding more common ground with Putin. America’s nothing but bad news.

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    Good, you should. I look forward to laughing next time the Malvinas are "attacked" and you need American Sidewinder missiles because you knobs couldn't target a fart in a spacesuit.
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  31. @dana
    It is in the alt right

    More stoic than brave; the anti-semites can’t hurt the pro-semites, but they can be tiresome.

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  32. @Tom_R
    SECRET TO JEWISH SUCCESS?
    NEPOTISM & CONNECTIONS AND BEING CROOKS AND CRIMINALS.

    The secret of Jewish success cannot be their IQ. The Ashkenazi, being whites, and having remained white (in contrast the general whites who have been brainwashed into malcegenations by the Judiasts) would have a high IQ, similar to most northern European whites. In fact, the average IQ of Israel is about <= 100.

    The secret of Jewish success is their nepotism—they can call each other up, speak in Hebrew, mention their Synagogue and their rabbi and can get a top job, investment, scholarship, or admission to a top school, or govt. grant/contract, in no time. Or they have their Rabbis call for them and do the same.

    Their nepotism is not just due to a shared religion, but it is further fostered by their (mistaken) belief that are “one people” and biologically related to each other, and as “one big family.”

    They also use their connections in govt. to get billion in govt. grants and contracts.

    http://www.jta.org/2013/07/01/life-religion/thanks-to-advocacy-effort-jewish-schools-reap-hundreds-of-millions-in-govt-money

    http://forward.com/news/164946/yeshivas-score-huge-pell-grant-windfall/

    It states that they get 53% of the Pell grants to religious schools, (though serving 2% of the general public).

    Diane Feinstein’s husband has been getting billions from post offices:

    http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/dianne-feinsteins-husbands-real-estate-firm-poised-make-1-billion-selling-post

    There was news a few years ago about how govt. gave millions in contracts to Jewish kid with zero experience. I am searching for that link and will add when I find it.

    JUDAISTS PROVE THAT CRIME PAYS, AND BIG CRIME PAYS BIGGER.

    While there is nepotism of course, IME it’s similar to what you see with any non-WASP/NW European group (but they have WASP style high ability with non-WASP style nepotism). The distinguishing Jewish feature is more a kind of restless Faustian drive to achieve – to gain wealth, power, recognition etc – on average more strongly than other people, combined with a sense of insecurity.

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  33. @22pp22
    I'm British and I think Trump is great. So do my friends.

    I’m impressed by him too, though I can’t say I like him personally, he does seem to be what America needs to return to some kind of sanity.

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  34. Randal says:
    @Lot

    Well, anti-anti-semitism isn’t exactly brave, now is it?
     
    Derb opposed the Iraq War and Occupation and advocated for race realism in a mainstream publication for more than a decade until they canned him for it.

    He also signs his names to his opinions, and raised a patriot who joined the Army right out of high school.

    Your anonymous slander, by contrast....

    Derb opposed the Iraq War

    Er no, he famously apologised afterwards for having supported it.

    http://www.salon.com/2006/06/12/apology_8/

    Personally, as someone who regularly argues that there should be no forgetting and no forgiving for those who were sufficiently evil or incompetent to have supported a war that plenty of us recognised at the time was literally stupid, Derbyshire is one of the few I’d make an exception for.

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    My recollection is he said he'd favor dropping some bombs on Iraq. NOT the same thing as conquest/occupation/setting up a "Democracy."

    That was my assumption too, something between Gulf War I, the quicky Haiti invasion, and the Kosovo intervention.

    That that these actions were good ideas, but they weren't disasters either.

    Derb also opposed the occupation when the MSM and NR were talking about surges, building schools, sunni awakening and other BS.
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  35. Randal says:
    @22pp22
    I'm British and I think Trump is great. So do my friends.

    I’m English and I’m warming to Trump.

    But the British political and media establishment here, and the majority who take their opinions from those leaders, are certainly lockstep against him, as they are (for much the same reasons) against Farage.

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  36. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says: • Website

    http://www.metacritic.com/movie/star-wars-episode-vii—the-force-awakens

    Hitler has been defeated in the galaxy. The Jewish and cuckeral critics are having orgasms about the new Star Wars. They love it to death.

    It’s been turned by Jews into the story of Ann Dunham and Obama Sr. The duo are sure to give birth to a mulatto who looks like Obama.
    This movie is like the Obama presidential campaign redux. White women and white cuck boys are going nuts over it.
    It is to sci-fi fantasy what BELLA AND THE BULLDOGS is for kids’ programming.

    Jews are celebrating. They not only took over the once wasp-ruled Disney(at odds with Jewish-ruled Hollywood), but they took over STAR WARS, the biggest cultural phenom in the past 50 yrs and turned it into JUNGLE FEVER IN SPACE. And it will be the biggest hit of all time, and there is two more to come.
    A whole new generation of kids will grow up associating the force with the ideal of a white chick choosing a Negro mate and hatching mulatto saviors of the universe from her womb.

    If Matrix says white boy needs to be apprenticed by a Negro, the new Star Wars goes all the way and says that it is a galactic truth that white girl should choose a Negro for a mate.

    With millions of black African males invading Europe, the message is clear. For the world to be saved, white girls must mate with the Negro males, and the mulatto kids should rule Europe like Obama, with support of Jews and homos, rule America. It is the Soros-ization of Star Wars.

    The main reason why critics are slobbering all over this movie is political. They like its anti-white-male message.

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    STAR WARS, the biggest cultural phenom in the past 50 yrs and turned it into JUNGLE FEVER IN SPACE. And it will be the biggest hit of all time
     
    Correct on the jungle fever gone inter galactic.
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  37. @Simon in London
    I would recommend Britain pulling out of NATO and finding more common ground with Putin. America's nothing but bad news.

    Good, you should. I look forward to laughing next time the Malvinas are “attacked” and you need American Sidewinder missiles because you knobs couldn’t target a fart in a spacesuit.

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    So it's virtuous when the UK shows up loyally like a lapdog to a pair of simultaneous, poorly-led, strategy-free American wars of aggression in far-off regions to kill Arabs and Pashtuns, none of which has anything to do with NATO obligations or self-defence of either party, but Americans should resent their country's half-hearted half-way support of Britain's efforts to recover a place in which actual British citizens resided and were under occupation?

    Note that the last clause is true whether or not one considers the British or Argentine claim the more valid. [Of course, the idea of the US as the defender of the rights of Latin American nations is laughable on its own grounds, of course].
    , @random observer
    Forgot to add- targeting humour? Really?

    I have only a vague memory when it comes to the case of the Brits but I know my country's first military dead in Afghanistan were killed by American pilots.
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  38. @Nathan Wyatt
    I need a little more convincing to believe that "Hitler would have been a great enthusiast for climate-change alarmism."

    Yeah, climate-change is such a contemporary flavour it’s hard to say for sure. But other kinds of more traditional environmentalism like conservation, vegetarianism, even animal rights, could be possible implications of his views. Not necessarily priorities, but he would probably have set aside quite a lot of conservation land once he had cleared it of people…

    The Nazis did have a strong streak of green romanticism.

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  39. KenH says:

    Roger Cohen and other media Jews are up in arms because Donald Trump’s agenda may help the white race and temporarily stymie their plan of white dispossession and genocide. Deporting illegal mestizos en masse while banning Muslims is good for whites, but it is bad for Jews, who wish (and work for) the ongoing demographic warfare against majority white nations to continue without interruption. Hence, their apoplexy and transparent fits of hatred and rage.

    Personally, I think that even if Trump wins the presidency at best it will only delay minority status for whites by 10 or 15 years and that assumes Trump follows through on his plans and doesn’t “see the light” or “evolve” and become, at worst, a rabid anti-racist and amnesty proponent. Or, at best, he morphs into a RINO who will maintain the status quo which is unacceptable to white nationalists or racially conscious white people. Even if Trump stays the course he will have to contend with the numerous Latino & Muslim coddling, shabbos goy, chamber of commerce Republicans who will seek to thwart his plans at every turn.

    Considering that one Trump campaign spokesperson is a light skinned black female and that Trump himself criticized SCOTUS justice Scalia for his recent anti-equalitarian opinions about blacks doesn’t fill me with hope. Those aren’t things Hitler would do.

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    Considering that one Trump campaign spokesperson is a light skinned black female and that Trump himself criticized SCOTUS justice Scalia for his recent anti-equalitarian opinions about blacks doesn’t fill me with hope. Those aren’t things Hitler would do.
     
    How unfortunate for you and your ilk that Trump is no Hitler.

    Neither is Putin. Quite the contrary.

    But there is still hope for your kind. Behold your future fuhrer:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Cobb
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  40. @Lot

    Wondering why, since it was a white gentile-dominated America that encouraged mass settlement of Jews in the first place, expressions of collective gratitude seem to be far outnumbered by expressions of collective hostility.
     
    Good article except this head-scratcher.

    The vast majority of Jews in America are descendants of people who can between 1840 and 1924. There wasn't encouragement so much as lack of regulation and a giant desire for labor, skilled and unskilled both. I don't like seeing Jews attack white American culture, but I don't think we owe it any special sense of gratitude either above what any other European group owes.

    I also have no idea what expressions of collective hostility is supposed to mean, except that you might feel that particular obnoxious Jews saying anti-White American things represent us collectively, which they do not.

    Please keep up the good work pushing back at anti-Semitism in the dissident right, which is an embarrassment that will stop us from ever reaching real influence.

    The good news is that the online anti-Semitism you see on Unz.com is mostly just a reflection of his large collection of full-time Israel bashers. The average Trump voter has at least some awareness of HBD issues and is extremely philo-semetic, as is Trump himself. And over in Europe, Geert Wilders and Marine LePen stand in solidarity with Israel.

    Indeed her boyfriend and party VP is one quarter Jewish. Here they are together in a quote photo:

    http://cdn-parismatch.ladmedia.fr/var/news/storage/images/paris-match/actu/politique/marine-le-pen-front-commun-avec-louis-aliot-155043/1562372-1-fre-FR/Marine-Le-Pen-Front-commun-avec-Louis.jpg

    Although the French had a good run at it, it is really hard to have an authentic French anti-Semitism once you cease to have a really Catholic France.

    Absent the religious considerations, one is left with blood and soil. The French are a [anciently] mixed people like all the peoples of Europe- they are descended from the Gallo-Romans but conscious of their Germanic Frankish heritage, which is the foundation of the modern nation.

    Problem with anti-Semitism is that the Jews were in Gaul well ahead of the Franks.

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    [Jews were in Gaul well ahead of the Franks]

    Not even the most self-besotted Jew or maddest Judaeophile - and there are a few - could claim some great contribution by Jews in Gaul before the last millenium. Syrians featured much more prominently.

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  41. Svigor says:

    Jews are model citizens on pretty much any factor you look at: crime, welfare dependency, home ownership, educational attainment, divorce, savings rate, alcoholism.

    So were the Rosenbergs.

    They only things we are collectively bad at is encouraging our bright young people to reproduce early and often.

    Jews are collectively God-awful at helping (or even allowing) whites to get for themselves what Jews have for themselves in Israel. They’re world heavyweight champions at opposing it, though.

    Really, really good at promoting all the worst forms of leftism (except in Israel, of course), too.

    It is your type that wants white people to turn on each other rather than unite to protect our countries against race replacement.

    You’re going to have to do better than that. Just look at Bibi. He won’t even crook his little finger to help ethnocentric whites. He’s got his Apartheid state, and whites can burn as far as he cares. He might as well be the poster child for world Jewry in that regard.

    Hey, I’m not telling you anything you don’t know. You’d rather defend Jewry from hangnails than work the Tribe to get them to throw us a bone.

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  42. @Rehmat
    Nope Derbyshire - Donald Trump could be Shakespeare's Shylock but certainly not Adolf Hitler, who is still very popular in German and India.

    Indian-born American writer, author and blogger, Dr. Susmit Kumar PhD, claims that Hitler, not Gandhi, should be given credit for the independence of India in 1947.

    “World War II had a profound effect on the colonial powers because it completely destroyed their economies. Although Hitler committed crimes against humanity, I give him credit – for India’s independence immediately after World War II. Hitler destroyed the economies of Britain and France to such an extent that they were no longer able financially to maintain their military forces, and hence were incapable of containing the burgeoning freedom movements in their colonies. It is worth noting that Britain was in such bad shape that it received about one-fourth of the total aid given under the Marshall Plan. Regardless Gandhi or any other charismatic leader, Britain would have left India in 1947 purely for financial reasons, due to its wholly collapsed economy. After WW II, Britain not only left India, but all its holdings,” says Kumar.

    http://rehmat1.com/2014/06/30/hindu-author-india-owes-its-indepence-to-hitler/

    Those Indian nationalists are entirely right. The British would have held on a deal longer if it wasn’t for the war, and so would most of the other imperial powers, not least because the USSR would have been in a weaker position and the US less motivated to undermine the empires, though both would have worked to do so soon enough.

    Gandhi was merely the figurehead of inevitability in a particular set of geopolitical/economic conditions. A sort of Marxian prophet.

    Apropos of nothing except the general scenarios of Hitler-love in the third world and the Nazi impact on India, I comment to anyone’s amusement these two works:

    1. The Trial of Adolf Hitler by Philippe van Rijndt; It’s a ’70s potboiler, with a predictable albeit morally ambiguous ending; but entertaining. It features extensive political support for Hitler from African leaders, for his economically nationalist stance against globalization and the colonialist Anglo powers.

    2. The Last Article. Harry Turtledove’s short story about the German occupation of India following a German victory. IIRC, the entire thing is a conversation between Gandhi and the new Reichsprotektor, Field Marshal Model. For those of us predisposed to scorn Gandhi, it is worth a laugh.

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  43. @Bragadocious
    Good, you should. I look forward to laughing next time the Malvinas are "attacked" and you need American Sidewinder missiles because you knobs couldn't target a fart in a spacesuit.

    So it’s virtuous when the UK shows up loyally like a lapdog to a pair of simultaneous, poorly-led, strategy-free American wars of aggression in far-off regions to kill Arabs and Pashtuns, none of which has anything to do with NATO obligations or self-defence of either party, but Americans should resent their country’s half-hearted half-way support of Britain’s efforts to recover a place in which actual British citizens resided and were under occupation?

    Note that the last clause is true whether or not one considers the British or Argentine claim the more valid. [Of course, the idea of the US as the defender of the rights of Latin American nations is laughable on its own grounds, of course].

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    Shows up loyally? The Iraq War was Britain's affair. Recall the "45 minutes to doom" dossier, which provided the pretext upon which the invasion was based. Crafted by Tony Blair and one of his bagmen named Alastair something or other. So STFU about Britain being dragged in reluctantly by a warmongering America. What do you know anyway, stupid Canuck. Most of us wanted nothing to do with Iraq, created by Britain in WW1 so it could steal oil and expand its murderous empire, which you were part of. As for Afghanistan, our own Gen. McChrystal said the Brits were worthless. Worse than worthless. Their idiocy by sending Princess Harry for a photo op got our soldiers killed.
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  44. nickels says:

    Lets face it. The way the post Marxists have been using the Holycause and political correctness to shift the window of acceptable discourse left for 70 years:

    Anyone to the right of Joan Baez is now considered Hitler.

    Trump Facist checklist:

    Nationalism: Yes
    Glorification of the Young male: No
    Economic interventionism (third way between capital. and Marxism): No
    Military comradeship: No
    Aesthetic ritual: No (unless one considers the pictures in front of jets with gorgeous ladies)
    Post Religious ritual: No

    Trump is just an old school conservative. Much more free market than one would expect in a facist. He supports Christianity but does not try to create any sort of ritualistic reference to it…

    My checklist is from:

    http://www.amazon.com/Fascist-Revolution-Toward-General-Fascism/dp/0865274355/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1450718453&sr=8-1&keywords=fascist+revolution

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  45. @Bragadocious
    Good, you should. I look forward to laughing next time the Malvinas are "attacked" and you need American Sidewinder missiles because you knobs couldn't target a fart in a spacesuit.

    Forgot to add- targeting humour? Really?

    I have only a vague memory when it comes to the case of the Brits but I know my country’s first military dead in Afghanistan were killed by American pilots.

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    Canadians were involved in Afghanistan? Let me guess, one of Princess Patricia's lighter than light infantry? You guys should stick to murdering seals.
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  46. 5371 says:
    @random observer
    Although the French had a good run at it, it is really hard to have an authentic French anti-Semitism once you cease to have a really Catholic France.

    Absent the religious considerations, one is left with blood and soil. The French are a [anciently] mixed people like all the peoples of Europe- they are descended from the Gallo-Romans but conscious of their Germanic Frankish heritage, which is the foundation of the modern nation.

    Problem with anti-Semitism is that the Jews were in Gaul well ahead of the Franks.

    [Jews were in Gaul well ahead of the Franks]

    Not even the most self-besotted Jew or maddest Judaeophile – and there are a few – could claim some great contribution by Jews in Gaul before the last millenium. Syrians featured much more prominently.

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    No doubt- but then I didn't realize that they would have had to make some 'great contribution'. Just be there already at the birth of the French state and nation. My only point on that.
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  47. The best defense is a good offense.

    EVERYTHING the Dems do is Hitleresque.

    Remove freedom of speech, disarm the citizenry, group think…..

    Hitler had the Jews, liberals have white males.

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  48. Blobby5 says:
    @MEH 0910

    even if he can’t pronounce ‘schedule’ correctly.
     
    What do you think of Derb's pronunciation of 'Derbyshire'? :)

    In all else he is infallible, like the Pope used to be.

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  49. @random observer
    So it's virtuous when the UK shows up loyally like a lapdog to a pair of simultaneous, poorly-led, strategy-free American wars of aggression in far-off regions to kill Arabs and Pashtuns, none of which has anything to do with NATO obligations or self-defence of either party, but Americans should resent their country's half-hearted half-way support of Britain's efforts to recover a place in which actual British citizens resided and were under occupation?

    Note that the last clause is true whether or not one considers the British or Argentine claim the more valid. [Of course, the idea of the US as the defender of the rights of Latin American nations is laughable on its own grounds, of course].

    Shows up loyally? The Iraq War was Britain’s affair. Recall the “45 minutes to doom” dossier, which provided the pretext upon which the invasion was based. Crafted by Tony Blair and one of his bagmen named Alastair something or other. So STFU about Britain being dragged in reluctantly by a warmongering America. What do you know anyway, stupid Canuck. Most of us wanted nothing to do with Iraq, created by Britain in WW1 so it could steal oil and expand its murderous empire, which you were part of. As for Afghanistan, our own Gen. McChrystal said the Brits were worthless. Worse than worthless. Their idiocy by sending Princess Harry for a photo op got our soldiers killed.

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    I don't know or all that much care what 'most' of you wanted since only a minority seemed willing to articulate the idea.

    I know the president and Congress your institutions freely generated took your country to war, with the support of your media elite and partisans of both major parties, with what certainly seemed to be a large population at least willing to be suckered into loudly supporting it and shouting down those who didn't.

    If you were in the group getting shouted down, then well done. It doesn't at all prove that most Americans didn't want anything to do with it. They seemed fine with it until the rah rah started to die down and it started to hurt.

    Yep, so Britain created Iraq to be part of its "murderous empire" and get oil after WW1. So what?

    Iraq had been a puppet state of both the Soviets and the US [and their respective murderous empires] long after the British left the field. The US was the leading manipulator of Gulf affairs since the 1960s and swapped Iran for Iraq smoothly after 1979. Prolonged the Iran/Iraq war, killing millions, finagled the origin and outcome of the 1990-91 war, and sat on Iraq for 12 years after that while making up its mind, and then went to war for whatever combination of stupid reasons the White House cooked up and served.

    The idea that Britain rather than the US was the origin of the 2003 war is far too lunatic to warrant a detailed response. Even elite deep state Britain had far less to gain than their US counterparts and far more to lose.

    As far as your populist point about most Americans goes, as if most Brits wanted to go to war in Iraq. The point is that the two governments collaborated, and of those the US was the government doing the leading, planning, and most of the warring. The British were providing idealistic BS and coalition partnership as top-cover.

    If wrt Harry you were referring to the September 2012 raid in which two US marines were killed, I don't see how that was his fault or the Brits' fault. As if there was no prospect of a Taliban attack on that site if he hadn't been there.

    I actually have read and heard much about the comparative uselessness of the British in both Iraq and Afghanistan- some of it is their obsession with their NI-learned approach to CT and security, and unwillingness to abandon the soft-cap approach. Maybe some other issues. They're real weaknesses and oft written about in the UK, but they don't change the fact that these were America's wars. Or eliminate the many American screw-ups in them.

    I was quite impressed by McChrystal the one time I heard him speak. Guess his approach ultimately wasn't any more effective in Afghanistan so I'm not about to regard him as the latest coming of Alexander either.

    Yep- Canada was part of Britain's murderous empire from 1763 until after circa WW1. It was a matter of national life and death. If we hadn't been, we'd have been pretty quickly part of America's murderous empire of Mexico-invading, Indian-slaughtering, Latin America oppressing, Caribbean policing, and Asia-looting and other fun pursuits. We stole all our Indians' land too, mind, but we hardly killed any of them by comparison. At least the Brits mostly left us alone, sent immigrants, and did their murdering far away from us.
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  50. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    John,

    You miss the point about Donald Trump as “Hitler”.

    To parody Hegel, history is cyclic: One is Free (Kings and Emperors); followed by Some are Free (Democracy); and then followed by All are Free (Anarchic Revelry … kind of like life in the West today). The progression is simple and logical. The latter is life as a “freak show”; we currently live in a “freak show”. When living in a “freak show”, people tend to look for a leader who promises to sort things out. Hence, All are Free (social anarchy) is quickly followed by One is Free.

    Put another way, when the “trains no longer run on time”, many people look for a leader who promises to make the “trains run on time.” That is not the Left that, like the Soviets, depend on illusion to pretend that the “trains run on time.” Then, to ensure no one notices, they make wearing watches illegal to ensure that no one notices. They are quickly found out.

    Sorry, this sounds convoluted, but given the current social and political anarchy in the United States, the emergence of a strong leader is inevitable.

    Mussolini and Hitler both made the “trains run on time” as Europe emerged from the anarchy of WWI. Maybe we should be looking for a “Mussolini” rather than a “Hitler”.

    Is Donald Trump a “Mussolini”?

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    The Nazis were very inefficient. Their economics were a mixture of looting and four year plans, their government ministries were overstaffed, overlapped with each other and competed against each other, the British were outproducing them by 1941, they did not come close to unlocking the economic potential of Europe. Everyone looks at the efficiency of the German soldier and assumes the Nazis were efficient but it was not the case.

    Anyway, Trump is no Mussolini and of course no Hitler. He is a pre-1965 American who cannot believe his fricking eyes. Like many of us, he simply cannot believe what the hell is happening to this country and understands we are giving it away, destroying it, altering it beyond recognition, whatever you want to call it and he cannot believe it. I don't think he even knows what to do (beyond build a fence).
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  51. unit472 says:

    Any Jew who supports Donald Trump ( now) would have all the credibility of Roy Cohn as far as the New York Times is concerned.

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  52. @random observer
    Forgot to add- targeting humour? Really?

    I have only a vague memory when it comes to the case of the Brits but I know my country's first military dead in Afghanistan were killed by American pilots.

    Canadians were involved in Afghanistan? Let me guess, one of Princess Patricia’s lighter than light infantry? You guys should stick to murdering seals.

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    Our regiments have names that honour our history- in this case a unit that was formed and named in honour of the then Governor-General's daughter. Granted, that sort of chivalry was a tad retro even in 1914. But at the time even America was a civilized country, more or less.

    In more recent times the US gives its ever-shifting units names incorporating weird combinations of bland bureaucratic claptrap/technobabble and vaguely homoerotic wannabe macho slang. I imagine it's only a matter of time before some poor Asian village is overrun by the 3462nd Tactical CyberBattalion "PileDriver" Team.

    I wouldn't mind any of that or the inevitable mottos like 'death from above', so long as they wouldn't drop the death from above on our men.
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  53. @5371
    [Jews were in Gaul well ahead of the Franks]

    Not even the most self-besotted Jew or maddest Judaeophile - and there are a few - could claim some great contribution by Jews in Gaul before the last millenium. Syrians featured much more prominently.

    No doubt- but then I didn’t realize that they would have had to make some ‘great contribution’. Just be there already at the birth of the French state and nation. My only point on that.

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  54. HHSIII says:

    Mentioning student love for Hitler, The Mortal Storm was just on tv the other night. Jimmy Stewart and Margaret Sullavan. This is supposed to be the pre-war period.

    Frank Morgan plays Sullavan’s father. They are portrayed as “non-aryans”. He teaches at a University and is beloved, but the students all become Nazis, including Robert Young and Sullavan’s half-brother, played by Robert Stack. He’s eventually boycotted by the students and…ok, maybe some day y’all will want to see it.

    Interesting side-note on Morgan, who also played the Wizard of Oz and the shop-owner in Shop Around the Corner. He was actually of German descent and well-off, and a bit of a drunk. His family owned the rights to Angostura Bitters in the U.S.

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  55. Bliss says:
    @KenH
    Roger Cohen and other media Jews are up in arms because Donald Trump's agenda may help the white race and temporarily stymie their plan of white dispossession and genocide. Deporting illegal mestizos en masse while banning Muslims is good for whites, but it is bad for Jews, who wish (and work for) the ongoing demographic warfare against majority white nations to continue without interruption. Hence, their apoplexy and transparent fits of hatred and rage.

    Personally, I think that even if Trump wins the presidency at best it will only delay minority status for whites by 10 or 15 years and that assumes Trump follows through on his plans and doesn't "see the light" or "evolve" and become, at worst, a rabid anti-racist and amnesty proponent. Or, at best, he morphs into a RINO who will maintain the status quo which is unacceptable to white nationalists or racially conscious white people. Even if Trump stays the course he will have to contend with the numerous Latino & Muslim coddling, shabbos goy, chamber of commerce Republicans who will seek to thwart his plans at every turn.

    Considering that one Trump campaign spokesperson is a light skinned black female and that Trump himself criticized SCOTUS justice Scalia for his recent anti-equalitarian opinions about blacks doesn't fill me with hope. Those aren't things Hitler would do.

    Considering that one Trump campaign spokesperson is a light skinned black female and that Trump himself criticized SCOTUS justice Scalia for his recent anti-equalitarian opinions about blacks doesn’t fill me with hope. Those aren’t things Hitler would do.

    How unfortunate for you and your ilk that Trump is no Hitler.

    Neither is Putin. Quite the contrary.

    But there is still hope for your kind. Behold your future fuhrer:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Cobb

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    Calm yourself, yeshiva boy. And if Craig Cobb was Jewish and acting in Jewish interests instead of white he would be a poster boy for the ADL and frequent guest at the White House.

    An Israeli prime minister must be a Jewish version of Hitler in that he must harbor a pathological hatred of Palestinians and all non-Jews while only allowing Jews into Israel, so it's only fair that white gentiles should be ruled by a Hitler incarnate who will ruthlessly protect them, close our national borders, build a wall and advance our racial interests.
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  56. @Bragadocious
    Shows up loyally? The Iraq War was Britain's affair. Recall the "45 minutes to doom" dossier, which provided the pretext upon which the invasion was based. Crafted by Tony Blair and one of his bagmen named Alastair something or other. So STFU about Britain being dragged in reluctantly by a warmongering America. What do you know anyway, stupid Canuck. Most of us wanted nothing to do with Iraq, created by Britain in WW1 so it could steal oil and expand its murderous empire, which you were part of. As for Afghanistan, our own Gen. McChrystal said the Brits were worthless. Worse than worthless. Their idiocy by sending Princess Harry for a photo op got our soldiers killed.

    I don’t know or all that much care what ‘most’ of you wanted since only a minority seemed willing to articulate the idea.

    I know the president and Congress your institutions freely generated took your country to war, with the support of your media elite and partisans of both major parties, with what certainly seemed to be a large population at least willing to be suckered into loudly supporting it and shouting down those who didn’t.

    If you were in the group getting shouted down, then well done. It doesn’t at all prove that most Americans didn’t want anything to do with it. They seemed fine with it until the rah rah started to die down and it started to hurt.

    Yep, so Britain created Iraq to be part of its “murderous empire” and get oil after WW1. So what?

    Iraq had been a puppet state of both the Soviets and the US [and their respective murderous empires] long after the British left the field. The US was the leading manipulator of Gulf affairs since the 1960s and swapped Iran for Iraq smoothly after 1979. Prolonged the Iran/Iraq war, killing millions, finagled the origin and outcome of the 1990-91 war, and sat on Iraq for 12 years after that while making up its mind, and then went to war for whatever combination of stupid reasons the White House cooked up and served.

    The idea that Britain rather than the US was the origin of the 2003 war is far too lunatic to warrant a detailed response. Even elite deep state Britain had far less to gain than their US counterparts and far more to lose.

    As far as your populist point about most Americans goes, as if most Brits wanted to go to war in Iraq. The point is that the two governments collaborated, and of those the US was the government doing the leading, planning, and most of the warring. The British were providing idealistic BS and coalition partnership as top-cover.

    If wrt Harry you were referring to the September 2012 raid in which two US marines were killed, I don’t see how that was his fault or the Brits’ fault. As if there was no prospect of a Taliban attack on that site if he hadn’t been there.

    I actually have read and heard much about the comparative uselessness of the British in both Iraq and Afghanistan- some of it is their obsession with their NI-learned approach to CT and security, and unwillingness to abandon the soft-cap approach. Maybe some other issues. They’re real weaknesses and oft written about in the UK, but they don’t change the fact that these were America’s wars. Or eliminate the many American screw-ups in them.

    I was quite impressed by McChrystal the one time I heard him speak. Guess his approach ultimately wasn’t any more effective in Afghanistan so I’m not about to regard him as the latest coming of Alexander either.

    Yep- Canada was part of Britain’s murderous empire from 1763 until after circa WW1. It was a matter of national life and death. If we hadn’t been, we’d have been pretty quickly part of America’s murderous empire of Mexico-invading, Indian-slaughtering, Latin America oppressing, Caribbean policing, and Asia-looting and other fun pursuits. We stole all our Indians’ land too, mind, but we hardly killed any of them by comparison. At least the Brits mostly left us alone, sent immigrants, and did their murdering far away from us.

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    No, instead you were part of Britain's India independence crushing, Gandhi imprisoning, famine exterminating, concentration camp inventing, Ireland raping, Kenya slaughtering, WW1 starting, lying, thieving....ah the list goes on and on doesn't it?

    Oh and sorry to interrupt your laughable pro-Canada drivel, but most people around the world agree that Canada committed genocide against its First Nations people. At least our Native Americans fought back (albeit with arms supplied by Britain via Canada). Yours were disarmed and starved to death, or ripped from their parents and placed in concentration camps. Yay for the maple leaf!
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  58. fnn says:

    Not comparing Trump to Hitler, but it’s funny that AH was kind of “culturally Jewish” himself for a while. He got along well with Jews while he was living in Vienna and sold his paintings to Jewish dealers. Someone who’s actually read Brigitte Hamann’s Hitler’s Vienna: A Portrait of the Tyrant as a Young Man (I just read the reviews) should be able to come up with more details. Also, two of Hitler’s company commanders in the Great War (including the one who awarded him the Iron Cross, Ist Class) were Jewish.

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  59. @random observer
    I don't know or all that much care what 'most' of you wanted since only a minority seemed willing to articulate the idea.

    I know the president and Congress your institutions freely generated took your country to war, with the support of your media elite and partisans of both major parties, with what certainly seemed to be a large population at least willing to be suckered into loudly supporting it and shouting down those who didn't.

    If you were in the group getting shouted down, then well done. It doesn't at all prove that most Americans didn't want anything to do with it. They seemed fine with it until the rah rah started to die down and it started to hurt.

    Yep, so Britain created Iraq to be part of its "murderous empire" and get oil after WW1. So what?

    Iraq had been a puppet state of both the Soviets and the US [and their respective murderous empires] long after the British left the field. The US was the leading manipulator of Gulf affairs since the 1960s and swapped Iran for Iraq smoothly after 1979. Prolonged the Iran/Iraq war, killing millions, finagled the origin and outcome of the 1990-91 war, and sat on Iraq for 12 years after that while making up its mind, and then went to war for whatever combination of stupid reasons the White House cooked up and served.

    The idea that Britain rather than the US was the origin of the 2003 war is far too lunatic to warrant a detailed response. Even elite deep state Britain had far less to gain than their US counterparts and far more to lose.

    As far as your populist point about most Americans goes, as if most Brits wanted to go to war in Iraq. The point is that the two governments collaborated, and of those the US was the government doing the leading, planning, and most of the warring. The British were providing idealistic BS and coalition partnership as top-cover.

    If wrt Harry you were referring to the September 2012 raid in which two US marines were killed, I don't see how that was his fault or the Brits' fault. As if there was no prospect of a Taliban attack on that site if he hadn't been there.

    I actually have read and heard much about the comparative uselessness of the British in both Iraq and Afghanistan- some of it is their obsession with their NI-learned approach to CT and security, and unwillingness to abandon the soft-cap approach. Maybe some other issues. They're real weaknesses and oft written about in the UK, but they don't change the fact that these were America's wars. Or eliminate the many American screw-ups in them.

    I was quite impressed by McChrystal the one time I heard him speak. Guess his approach ultimately wasn't any more effective in Afghanistan so I'm not about to regard him as the latest coming of Alexander either.

    Yep- Canada was part of Britain's murderous empire from 1763 until after circa WW1. It was a matter of national life and death. If we hadn't been, we'd have been pretty quickly part of America's murderous empire of Mexico-invading, Indian-slaughtering, Latin America oppressing, Caribbean policing, and Asia-looting and other fun pursuits. We stole all our Indians' land too, mind, but we hardly killed any of them by comparison. At least the Brits mostly left us alone, sent immigrants, and did their murdering far away from us.

    No, instead you were part of Britain’s India independence crushing, Gandhi imprisoning, famine exterminating, concentration camp inventing, Ireland raping, Kenya slaughtering, WW1 starting, lying, thieving….ah the list goes on and on doesn’t it?

    Oh and sorry to interrupt your laughable pro-Canada drivel, but most people around the world agree that Canada committed genocide against its First Nations people. At least our Native Americans fought back (albeit with arms supplied by Britain via Canada). Yours were disarmed and starved to death, or ripped from their parents and placed in concentration camps. Yay for the maple leaf!

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    Yeah, because the East India Company playing the Indian politics game just like every other potential successor state to the Mughals, with regular armies much smaller but better than theirs, was exactly identical with gunning down vastly outnumbered, overwhelmingly technologically, economically and numerically inferior Neolithic peoples.

    At the margins of the British empire the British encountered MANY peoples far inferior in capability and numbers and conquered them. On the other hand big territories like India [or small ones like Ireland] were mostly conquered in stand up fights against equal [at least in levels of culture and social organization] opponents. And the empire is long gone in all of them. You guys stole much of a continent from radically inferior peoples, killing and starving huge numbers along the way, and have appropriated their land permanently. As for Canada, as I said we also stole half a continent from the Indians and kept it. But we didn't kill so many of them for laughs.

    But you make my larger point for me. You started this by referring to Britain's "murderous empire" and I countered with appropriate examples of America's murderous empire. If we're down to comparisons like this, I win.

    Eg:

    "Gandhi-imprisoning"- Every Indian chief locked up by the US, every political prisoner in the US or in one of its former possessions, on and on and on down to the present; I bet Gandhi never faced prison rape in his day either;

    Famine..... every US officer withholding food from reservations, every one cutting off food to natives to starve them out of traditional lands, etc. etc.,

    Concentration camp inventing- presuming for a moment this ridiculous trope is true [as though herding civilian populations into controlled areas and abusing them does not have a track record dating back thousands of years on every continent, but I'm happy the British gave it a clever name], so what? As ever, the US imitated someone else's idea very well in meeting its own requirements.

    Ireland-raping [yuck, what a distasteful concept]; Indeed, I have a huge problem with a small minority of Irish-Canadians whose ancestors left Ireland and came to Canada, apparently too dumb to realize they were moving to another part of the then empire, and who seem to think the ancient grievances of now long-independent Ireland justify their wanting to Americanize Canadian institutions and laws. Could you take these people off my hands? Either way, I see your Ireland and raise you Mexico, Cuba, Haiti, really all of Latin America one way or another.

    Kenya= Philippines

    WW1 starting- please check the order in which the various Powers declared war on one another, for a start. Then look into the nearly numberless reasons all of Austria, Russia, Germany and France sought war of some kind and what they expected to gain.

    Lying, thieving,.. the stock in trade of every significant nation since history began, not excluding the US of A. Please also note that your country only exists because of an originally English continent-theft operation gone horribly wrong. Your predecessors decided the stolen lands they already had weren't enough, they had the right to the whole continent, and actually embedded this sense of entitlement into their declaration of independence [it assumes the nascent US was entitled to Canada, to the Ohio Country, etc. and calls Britain's other plans for these places 'grievances'].

    We're having that genocide debate right now. We stole their land, abused their cultures, and put them in abusive government schools. What part of that did the US not do to their Indians? If "cultural genocide" is a thing, we perhaps did it. I meant actual genocide, the real deal that the word actually means outside of po-mo jargon. Setting out to wipe out cultures by actually killing as many people as possible, with recreational scalp hunting as an optional extra. With huge numbers of actual slaughtered men, women and children. America, for the win.

    It IS admirable that your Indians fought back. They were fine peoples. Perhaps still are. That respect is due THEM, not the US.

    Also, which part of "Yours were disarmed and starved to death, or ripped from their parents and placed in concentration camps." does not apply to US Indian policy back in the glorious day? Is it because you put the whole families together into camps that your policy was more enlightened?
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  60. @Anonymous
    John,

    You miss the point about Donald Trump as “Hitler”.

    To parody Hegel, history is cyclic: One is Free (Kings and Emperors); followed by Some are Free (Democracy); and then followed by All are Free (Anarchic Revelry … kind of like life in the West today). The progression is simple and logical. The latter is life as a “freak show”; we currently live in a “freak show”. When living in a “freak show”, people tend to look for a leader who promises to sort things out. Hence, All are Free (social anarchy) is quickly followed by One is Free.

    Put another way, when the “trains no longer run on time”, many people look for a leader who promises to make the “trains run on time.” That is not the Left that, like the Soviets, depend on illusion to pretend that the “trains run on time.” Then, to ensure no one notices, they make wearing watches illegal to ensure that no one notices. They are quickly found out.

    Sorry, this sounds convoluted, but given the current social and political anarchy in the United States, the emergence of a strong leader is inevitable.

    Mussolini and Hitler both made the “trains run on time” as Europe emerged from the anarchy of WWI. Maybe we should be looking for a “Mussolini” rather than a “Hitler”.

    Is Donald Trump a "Mussolini"?

    The Nazis were very inefficient. Their economics were a mixture of looting and four year plans, their government ministries were overstaffed, overlapped with each other and competed against each other, the British were outproducing them by 1941, they did not come close to unlocking the economic potential of Europe. Everyone looks at the efficiency of the German soldier and assumes the Nazis were efficient but it was not the case.

    Anyway, Trump is no Mussolini and of course no Hitler. He is a pre-1965 American who cannot believe his fricking eyes. Like many of us, he simply cannot believe what the hell is happening to this country and understands we are giving it away, destroying it, altering it beyond recognition, whatever you want to call it and he cannot believe it. I don’t think he even knows what to do (beyond build a fence).

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  61. KenH says:
    @Bliss

    Considering that one Trump campaign spokesperson is a light skinned black female and that Trump himself criticized SCOTUS justice Scalia for his recent anti-equalitarian opinions about blacks doesn’t fill me with hope. Those aren’t things Hitler would do.
     
    How unfortunate for you and your ilk that Trump is no Hitler.

    Neither is Putin. Quite the contrary.

    But there is still hope for your kind. Behold your future fuhrer:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Cobb

    Calm yourself, yeshiva boy. And if Craig Cobb was Jewish and acting in Jewish interests instead of white he would be a poster boy for the ADL and frequent guest at the White House.

    An Israeli prime minister must be a Jewish version of Hitler in that he must harbor a pathological hatred of Palestinians and all non-Jews while only allowing Jews into Israel, so it’s only fair that white gentiles should be ruled by a Hitler incarnate who will ruthlessly protect them, close our national borders, build a wall and advance our racial interests.

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    yeshiva boy
     
    What the hell made you conclude I am jewish, you slobbering imbecile? Nazi is a dirty word to the great majority of gentiles as well.

    it’s only fair that white gentiles should be ruled by a Hitler incarnate who will ruthlessly protect them, close our national borders, build a wall and advance our racial interests.
     
    You pathetic ignoramus, everyone knows that Hitler did the very opposite of building a wall and enforcing national borders. He illegally crossed borders and invaded the lands of his white gentile neighbours intending to enslave them. Your hero Hitler killed more white gentiles, especially of the northern european variety, in just 5 years than all non-europeans combined did in all of history.
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  62. @Bragadocious
    Canadians were involved in Afghanistan? Let me guess, one of Princess Patricia's lighter than light infantry? You guys should stick to murdering seals.

    Our regiments have names that honour our history- in this case a unit that was formed and named in honour of the then Governor-General’s daughter. Granted, that sort of chivalry was a tad retro even in 1914. But at the time even America was a civilized country, more or less.

    In more recent times the US gives its ever-shifting units names incorporating weird combinations of bland bureaucratic claptrap/technobabble and vaguely homoerotic wannabe macho slang. I imagine it’s only a matter of time before some poor Asian village is overrun by the 3462nd Tactical CyberBattalion “PileDriver” Team.

    I wouldn’t mind any of that or the inevitable mottos like ‘death from above’, so long as they wouldn’t drop the death from above on our men.

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  63. @Bragadocious
    No, instead you were part of Britain's India independence crushing, Gandhi imprisoning, famine exterminating, concentration camp inventing, Ireland raping, Kenya slaughtering, WW1 starting, lying, thieving....ah the list goes on and on doesn't it?

    Oh and sorry to interrupt your laughable pro-Canada drivel, but most people around the world agree that Canada committed genocide against its First Nations people. At least our Native Americans fought back (albeit with arms supplied by Britain via Canada). Yours were disarmed and starved to death, or ripped from their parents and placed in concentration camps. Yay for the maple leaf!

    Yeah, because the East India Company playing the Indian politics game just like every other potential successor state to the Mughals, with regular armies much smaller but better than theirs, was exactly identical with gunning down vastly outnumbered, overwhelmingly technologically, economically and numerically inferior Neolithic peoples.

    At the margins of the British empire the British encountered MANY peoples far inferior in capability and numbers and conquered them. On the other hand big territories like India [or small ones like Ireland] were mostly conquered in stand up fights against equal [at least in levels of culture and social organization] opponents. And the empire is long gone in all of them. You guys stole much of a continent from radically inferior peoples, killing and starving huge numbers along the way, and have appropriated their land permanently. As for Canada, as I said we also stole half a continent from the Indians and kept it. But we didn’t kill so many of them for laughs.

    But you make my larger point for me. You started this by referring to Britain’s “murderous empire” and I countered with appropriate examples of America’s murderous empire. If we’re down to comparisons like this, I win.

    Eg:

    “Gandhi-imprisoning”- Every Indian chief locked up by the US, every political prisoner in the US or in one of its former possessions, on and on and on down to the present; I bet Gandhi never faced prison rape in his day either;

    Famine….. every US officer withholding food from reservations, every one cutting off food to natives to starve them out of traditional lands, etc. etc.,

    Concentration camp inventing- presuming for a moment this ridiculous trope is true [as though herding civilian populations into controlled areas and abusing them does not have a track record dating back thousands of years on every continent, but I'm happy the British gave it a clever name], so what? As ever, the US imitated someone else’s idea very well in meeting its own requirements.

    Ireland-raping [yuck, what a distasteful concept]; Indeed, I have a huge problem with a small minority of Irish-Canadians whose ancestors left Ireland and came to Canada, apparently too dumb to realize they were moving to another part of the then empire, and who seem to think the ancient grievances of now long-independent Ireland justify their wanting to Americanize Canadian institutions and laws. Could you take these people off my hands? Either way, I see your Ireland and raise you Mexico, Cuba, Haiti, really all of Latin America one way or another.

    Kenya= Philippines

    WW1 starting- please check the order in which the various Powers declared war on one another, for a start. Then look into the nearly numberless reasons all of Austria, Russia, Germany and France sought war of some kind and what they expected to gain.

    Lying, thieving,.. the stock in trade of every significant nation since history began, not excluding the US of A. Please also note that your country only exists because of an originally English continent-theft operation gone horribly wrong. Your predecessors decided the stolen lands they already had weren’t enough, they had the right to the whole continent, and actually embedded this sense of entitlement into their declaration of independence [it assumes the nascent US was entitled to Canada, to the Ohio Country, etc. and calls Britain's other plans for these places 'grievances'].

    We’re having that genocide debate right now. We stole their land, abused their cultures, and put them in abusive government schools. What part of that did the US not do to their Indians? If “cultural genocide” is a thing, we perhaps did it. I meant actual genocide, the real deal that the word actually means outside of po-mo jargon. Setting out to wipe out cultures by actually killing as many people as possible, with recreational scalp hunting as an optional extra. With huge numbers of actual slaughtered men, women and children. America, for the win.

    It IS admirable that your Indians fought back. They were fine peoples. Perhaps still are. That respect is due THEM, not the US.

    Also, which part of “Yours were disarmed and starved to death, or ripped from their parents and placed in concentration camps.” does not apply to US Indian policy back in the glorious day? Is it because you put the whole families together into camps that your policy was more enlightened?

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  64. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Poor Hitler, worst comparison!!! Hitler was a greater strategist and intelectual!!

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  65. Mulegino1 says:

    Hitler minus the phony “Holocaust” (the real holocaust being the fire bombing of German and Japanese cities) and without the manifest calumnious myth of sole (or even preponderant) guilt for starting the Second World War was hands down the greatest historical figure of the Twentieth Century; the achievements of the German nation during his twelve years in power were little short of miraculous.

    Trump, as the newest punching bag of the elites is kind of a more diminutive (in the world historical sense) and uniquely American version of the Fuehrer. It is not hard to imagine the chattering classes going apoplectic over a Putin-Trump attempt at reconciliation or even (God forbid!) cooperation between the U.S. and Russia – “Molotov-Ribbentrop 2.0!” would shout the neocons and the liberal interventionists at the top of their lungs!

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  66. Clyde says:
    @Priss Factor
    http://www.metacritic.com/movie/star-wars-episode-vii---the-force-awakens

    Hitler has been defeated in the galaxy. The Jewish and cuckeral critics are having orgasms about the new Star Wars. They love it to death.

    It's been turned by Jews into the story of Ann Dunham and Obama Sr. The duo are sure to give birth to a mulatto who looks like Obama.
    This movie is like the Obama presidential campaign redux. White women and white cuck boys are going nuts over it.
    It is to sci-fi fantasy what BELLA AND THE BULLDOGS is for kids' programming.

    Jews are celebrating. They not only took over the once wasp-ruled Disney(at odds with Jewish-ruled Hollywood), but they took over STAR WARS, the biggest cultural phenom in the past 50 yrs and turned it into JUNGLE FEVER IN SPACE. And it will be the biggest hit of all time, and there is two more to come.
    A whole new generation of kids will grow up associating the force with the ideal of a white chick choosing a Negro mate and hatching mulatto saviors of the universe from her womb.

    If Matrix says white boy needs to be apprenticed by a Negro, the new Star Wars goes all the way and says that it is a galactic truth that white girl should choose a Negro for a mate.

    With millions of black African males invading Europe, the message is clear. For the world to be saved, white girls must mate with the Negro males, and the mulatto kids should rule Europe like Obama, with support of Jews and homos, rule America. It is the Soros-ization of Star Wars.

    The main reason why critics are slobbering all over this movie is political. They like its anti-white-male message.

    STAR WARS, the biggest cultural phenom in the past 50 yrs and turned it into JUNGLE FEVER IN SPACE. And it will be the biggest hit of all time

    Correct on the jungle fever gone inter galactic.

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  67. Bliss says:
    @KenH
    Calm yourself, yeshiva boy. And if Craig Cobb was Jewish and acting in Jewish interests instead of white he would be a poster boy for the ADL and frequent guest at the White House.

    An Israeli prime minister must be a Jewish version of Hitler in that he must harbor a pathological hatred of Palestinians and all non-Jews while only allowing Jews into Israel, so it's only fair that white gentiles should be ruled by a Hitler incarnate who will ruthlessly protect them, close our national borders, build a wall and advance our racial interests.

    yeshiva boy

    What the hell made you conclude I am jewish, you slobbering imbecile? Nazi is a dirty word to the great majority of gentiles as well.

    it’s only fair that white gentiles should be ruled by a Hitler incarnate who will ruthlessly protect them, close our national borders, build a wall and advance our racial interests.

    You pathetic ignoramus, everyone knows that Hitler did the very opposite of building a wall and enforcing national borders. He illegally crossed borders and invaded the lands of his white gentile neighbours intending to enslave them. Your hero Hitler killed more white gentiles, especially of the northern european variety, in just 5 years than all non-europeans combined did in all of history.

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    You pathetic ignoramus, everyone knows that Hitler . . .
     
    see also

    Holocaust denial will remain a fringe issue. The documentation is secure in its veracity and overwhelming in its volume. If anything, today’s school children are in danger of thinking that Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin went to war against Hitler because of what was happening to the Jews. http://mondoweiss.net/2015/01/auschwitz-revisited#sthash.I5hAk0j8.dpuf
     
    That is, the holocaust narrative and what "everyone knows" about Hitler, etc. has been shaped into a uniform narrative, universally accepted.

    The dogmatized, protected uniformity of the narrative, and the way it is relentlessly reinforced by media outlets and propagandists, signal to this skeptic that it's a fraud.

    The uniformity of the narrative is problematic: I can't recall the name of the recent legal case that was lost because a key witness, a young girl, had seemingly memorized her testimony and answered repeated questions with the same phrasing time after time. Judge and jury deemed that uniformity suspicious and decided against her.

    The relentless repetition is psychologically counterproductive, a sign of desperation: it turns out the managers of our propaganda are incompetent; they're panicking.

    It's going to be fascinating to discover what really happened.
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  68. Lot says:
    @Randal
    "Derb opposed the Iraq War "

    Er no, he famously apologised afterwards for having supported it.

    http://www.salon.com/2006/06/12/apology_8/

    Personally, as someone who regularly argues that there should be no forgetting and no forgiving for those who were sufficiently evil or incompetent to have supported a war that plenty of us recognised at the time was literally stupid, Derbyshire is one of the few I'd make an exception for.

    My recollection is he said he’d favor dropping some bombs on Iraq. NOT the same thing as conquest/occupation/setting up a “Democracy.”

    That was my assumption too, something between Gulf War I, the quicky Haiti invasion, and the Kosovo intervention.

    That that these actions were good ideas, but they weren’t disasters either.

    Derb also opposed the occupation when the MSM and NR were talking about surges, building schools, sunni awakening and other BS.

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  69. Bill B. says:
    @Bragadocious
    I think of Roger Cohen more of as a Brit than a Jew, although he's both. The Brits have been almost uniformly hostile to Trump, something he should remember very well when he's elected President. I would recommend pulling out of NATO and finding more common ground with Putin. Britain's nothing but bad news.

    But hardly a patriotic Brit.

    Cohen’s column around the time of the Battle of Britain anniversary was a giant smear against a country that had allegedly survived only by clinging to America’s shirttails – but in his spleen forgetting that Britain had fought alone in Europe for more than two years before Pearl Harbour.

    Cohen is the classic cosmopolitan Jew in the mould of Eric Hobsbawm who despises that country that took his family in (from South Africa) and provided him with an elite education.

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    It doesn't matter whether Cohen is or isn't a patriotic British person. The issue is Trump. He's been treated very shabbily by all Brits, of all political persuasion, from the Guardian Trotskyites to the Daily Mail nose pickers. From the idiot Mayor of London to David "I left my daughter in a pub" Cameron. And everyone in between.

    How's that banning petition going anyway? LOL I bet the Brits didn't predict THEY were going to be the banned ones. Poor Mohammed Mahmood and his 17 children. How will Disney World recover?

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  70. @Bliss

    yeshiva boy
     
    What the hell made you conclude I am jewish, you slobbering imbecile? Nazi is a dirty word to the great majority of gentiles as well.

    it’s only fair that white gentiles should be ruled by a Hitler incarnate who will ruthlessly protect them, close our national borders, build a wall and advance our racial interests.
     
    You pathetic ignoramus, everyone knows that Hitler did the very opposite of building a wall and enforcing national borders. He illegally crossed borders and invaded the lands of his white gentile neighbours intending to enslave them. Your hero Hitler killed more white gentiles, especially of the northern european variety, in just 5 years than all non-europeans combined did in all of history.

    You pathetic ignoramus, everyone knows that Hitler . . .

    see also

    Holocaust denial will remain a fringe issue. The documentation is secure in its veracity and overwhelming in its volume. If anything, today’s school children are in danger of thinking that Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin went to war against Hitler because of what was happening to the Jews. http://mondoweiss.net/2015/01/auschwitz-revisited#sthash.I5hAk0j8.dpuf

    That is, the holocaust narrative and what “everyone knows” about Hitler, etc. has been shaped into a uniform narrative, universally accepted.

    The dogmatized, protected uniformity of the narrative, and the way it is relentlessly reinforced by media outlets and propagandists, signal to this skeptic that it’s a fraud.

    The uniformity of the narrative is problematic: I can’t recall the name of the recent legal case that was lost because a key witness, a young girl, had seemingly memorized her testimony and answered repeated questions with the same phrasing time after time. Judge and jury deemed that uniformity suspicious and decided against her.

    The relentless repetition is psychologically counterproductive, a sign of desperation: it turns out the managers of our propaganda are incompetent; they’re panicking.

    It’s going to be fascinating to discover what really happened.

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  71. @Bill B.
    But hardly a patriotic Brit.

    Cohen's column around the time of the Battle of Britain anniversary was a giant smear against a country that had allegedly survived only by clinging to America's shirttails - but in his spleen forgetting that Britain had fought alone in Europe for more than two years before Pearl Harbour.

    Cohen is the classic cosmopolitan Jew in the mould of Eric Hobsbawm who despises that country that took his family in (from South Africa) and provided him with an elite education.

    It doesn’t matter whether Cohen is or isn’t a patriotic British person. The issue is Trump. He’s been treated very shabbily by all Brits, of all political persuasion, from the Guardian Trotskyites to the Daily Mail nose pickers. From the idiot Mayor of London to David “I left my daughter in a pub” Cameron. And everyone in between.

    How’s that banning petition going anyway? LOL I bet the Brits didn’t predict THEY were going to be the banned ones. Poor Mohammed Mahmood and his 17 children. How will Disney World recover?

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  72. SoItGoes says:

    Trump isn’t another Hitler, he’s another Huey Long.

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