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Last week I commented on the huge numbers of Sun People moving, or trying to move, into Ice People territories:

All these population flows—blacks and Muslims into Europe, Central and South Americans into the U.S.A.—are from south to north. The barriers going up—or at least, that we are just now seriously thinking and talking about putting up—in Europe and the U.S.A. are barriers against south-north flows.

I went on to point out that it may not much longer be just the white people of Europe and North America—the West Arctics, if you like—that are being invaded. Our East Arctic relations in South Korea are dealing with a batch of illegal aliens from Yemen.

I got a fair-sized email bag on that. Two listeners pointed out a rather glaring omission that I have to confess to: The Southern Hemisphere.

The main Ice People territories down there are Australia, New Zealand, and the white countries of the southern South American “cone”: —Argentina, Chile, and Uruguay.

These countries, my emailers pointed out, are also getting inflows of Sun People—and the direction of flow down there, of course, is from north to south.

That’s right. My apologies to all of you down below the Equator. We Northern Hemisphere types tend to forget you, slumbering away there under the Southern Cross.

In fairness to myself, I have a better record than most here. I once wrote an entire column about New Zealand, which is one more column than the average American pundit. One of my very first pieces for VDARE.com, back in 2001, concerned Australia. I’ve been promoting Uruguay for years as a promising bolt-hole should things get really nasty up north here.

I can’t say I’ve ever paid much attention to Chile, but apparently they’re having some very familiar-sounding problems to do with immigration and diversity. A correspondent sent me a link to this piece from the Migration Policy Institute

International migration to the predominantly European-descent Chile has also grown racially diverse, as the origins have shifted. Chile received growing numbers of Peruvians and Bolivians starting in the 1990s, and Haitians, Colombians, and Venezuelans in the 2000s and 2010s, while the share of Argentines and Europeans has fallen. This diversification in general, and the influx of tens of thousands of African-descent Haitians in particular, has made immigration more visible as an issue and has provoked public backlash

Amid Record Numbers of Arrivals, Chile Turns Rightward on Immigration, By Cristián Doña Reveco, January 17, 2018

You don’t say.

Argentina likewise, although the issue there is more longstanding. Argentina’s story this past few decades is in fact something of a tragedy.

A hundred years ago Argentina was one of the world’s most attractive, best-developed countries:

In 1913, the Argentine GDP was almost as great as that of the rest of South America combined. Per capita income was 50 percent higher than in Italy, 85 percent higher than in Spain and Norway, 170 percent higher than in Japan, and more than 4 times greater than that of Brazil.

I borrowed that from Gustavo Semeria’s fine long article published at American Renaissance last year. [Argentina: A Mirror of Your Future, April 14, 2017]

Semeria tells how, during the Depression of the 1930s, European immigration into Argentina tailed off, replaced by immigration of Amerindians and Mestizos from further north. A series of really bad governments completed the work of destruction.

By the 1980s the quip among economists was that Argentina was a formerly-developed nation. Today it’s another Brazil, a small white elite living behind high walls while brown and black narco gangs rule the slums.

Let me repeat the title of Gustavo Semeria’s fine piece:

Argentina: A Mirror of Your Future.

So yes, apologies to my fellow Ice People down in the Southern Hemisphere. Obviously we need to join forces against the equatorial hordes. I shall revise my plans for an Arctic Alliance. The name, too: Henceforth it will be a PolarAlliance. No more Northern-Hemisphere Supremacy!

More disconnected notes just by way of completing coverage of that theme:

  • As noted last week, the East Arctics—the peoples of China, Japan, and Korea—may be facing some of the same issues as us West Arctics.

I went looking for an update on those Yemeni illegals in South Korea, but could only find this story from the Korea Herald: Romanian nun helps Jeju’s Yemeni asylum seekers, migrant families. [By Jo He-Rim, Korea Herald, July 12, 2018] Jeju is the South Korean island the Yemenis arrived on. And yes, the person in the story supplying charitable assistance to the illegals is indeed a nun from Romania.

The Economist just ran a gloating story about this, noting that “Pressure from business lies behind the change in attitudes.” [Japan is finally starting to admit more foreign workers, July 5, 2018]

No kidding.

The Japanese businessfolk are particularly interested in taking more low-skilled workers, The Economist tells us:

The number of these has been rising fast. Almost a third of foreign workers are Chinese; Vietnamese and Nepalese are quickly growing in number.

Chinese, Vietnamese, and Nepalese, huh? Why no Sun People? No Somalis, Guatemalans, or Haitians?

Get with the program, Japan; bring in some real diversity.

  • Going back to the Southern Hemisphere: Tallying the Ice People in that hemisphere, I left out white South Africans.

That’s understandable. White South Africans no longer have their own country; and listening to the speeches of South African black politicians like Cyril Ramaphosa and Julius Malema, you have to wonder how much longer they’ll have a country at all.[Malema posts video calling for violence against whites, The Citizen, July 10, 2018]

Threats by South Africa’s black leaders to expropriate white farmers have provoked an interesting reaction from the Boers: It’s A “Matter Of Life And Death”—White South African Farmers Seek Refuge In Russia. ZeroHedge.com, July 9, 2018.

Reportedly up to 15,000 white South African farmers are planning to move to Russia. Thirty families have already arrived in the Stavropol region of southern Russia.

So that complicates my picture somewhat: Southern Hemisphere Ice People moving into Northern Hemisphere Ice People territory. That’s a loss to the southern half of the Polar Alliance but a gain to the northern half, so I guess a wash, net-net.

I await further developments with interest.

Yeah, it’s hot. Here’s a tiny news story that showed up in my July 12 New York Post, about, like that Cole Porter song, about human performance in very hot weather. The precise zone of performance is, however, different in the two cases.

ORDER IT NOW

The New York Post story concerns a study of students at Harvard University. The students were divided into two groups and tested for cognitive function—how well they did on basic IQ-type and reaction-time tests—during a heat wave. One group of students had air conditioning, the other didn’t.

Result:

Students who lived without air conditioning answered questions 13 percent more slowly than those who were able to escape the heat.

On those sneaky tests where you have to quickly say what color ink a word is printed in—you know, the word “green” printed in blue ink, and so on—the non-air-conditioned students had reaction times 13.4 percent longer than the cool kids.

Bottom line: Hot weather makes people dumber.

The reason this story got my attention: I have just finished reading Matthew Polly’s very comprehensive biography of the movie actor and martial-arts genius Bruce Lee, with whom I had some very slight personal acquaintance.

Bruce Lee died 45 years ago this coming Friday, aged only 32. (I visited his grave, left, in 2012.) The cause of his death is something of a mystery, and has been endlessly discussed.

Lee was in Hong Kong at the apartment of his mistress, Betty Ting Pei, when he complained of feeling unwell. He had a headache, he said. Betty gave him a mild over-the-counter analgesic pill and he went to lie down. When Betty went to check a couple of hours later, Lee was dead.

As I said, there has been endless speculation about the cause of death. There was an autopsy and a formal inquest, but they didn’t clarify things much.

Well, Matthew Polly, the author of this new biography, has done a very thorough investigation. He’s read the records of that autopsy and that inquest, spoken to some of the principals involved, and studied Bruce Lee’s medical history. His conclusion:

On July 20, 1973, Bruce Lee died from heat stroke. It is the most plausible scientific theory for his death.

Bruce Lee was an Ice Person. By recent ancestry he was five-eighths Han Chinese, one-quarter English(his mother’s mother was an Englishwoman), and one-eighth Dutch-Jewish (his mother’s father’s father was named Mozes Bosman). A hyperactive person, in constant motion, he suffered badly from the heat; and the day of his death was exceptionally hot even for Hong Kong.

Matthew makes the point that death from heat stroke doesn’t get the attention it deserves:

It is the third most common cause of sudden death in sports activities and rises to first during the hottest months of summer. In the United States alone, an average of three high school and college football players die every year of heat stroke.

Executive summary for this segment: Take care, my fellow Ice People! Excessive heat can make you dumber—and may kill you.

That’s not even to mention the thing Ella Fitzgerald was singing about.

Head north, young Ice Person!…or, in the Southern Hemisphere, south.

We weren’t designed for these steamy climates. We flourish best in the shady temperate woodlands and windswept grasslands far from the equator. Leave the sun-baked deserts and muggy, buggy rain forests to the Sun People.

2010-12-24dl[1]John Derbyshire [email him] writes an incredible amount on all sorts of subjects for all kinds of outlets. (This no longer includesNational Review, whose editors had some kind of tantrum and fired him. ) He is the author of We Are Doomed: Reclaiming Conservative Pessimism and several other books. He has had two books published by VDARE.com com:FROM THE DISSIDENT RIGHT(also available in Kindle) and FROM THE DISSIDENT RIGHT II: ESSAYS 2013.

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  1. KenH says:

    The Yemeni refugee problem S. Korea is dealing with is trifling compared to what Europe is suffering. But at least the S. Koreans aren’t so cucked, sentimental and denatured that they’ll kick their own citizens out of homes to make room for Muslim refugees. And if the Yemeni Muslims start acting up S. Korea might deal with it more forcefully (like killing or expelling them) than the European cowards whose mission is to show the world that they’re thoroughly de-nazified by letting Africans and Muslims run amok.

    Regarding S. Africa, white nations should either adopt liberal refugee policies applicable only for persecuted white S. Africans or invade that nation and wipe out the ANC and it supporters and reimpose white rule. Assistance will be provided as long as S. Africa impose a one child policy on blacks and restrict all immigration to white settlers from throughout the Western world.

    If the white S. Africans permit their medical establishments to deliver as many black African babies as possible then they’re on their own because they haven’t learned from history and it will just repeat itself.

  2. KenH says:

    Chinese, Vietnamese, and Nepalese, huh? Why no Sun People? No Somalis, Guatemalans, or Haitians?

    That’s right. It won’t count unless the foreign workers are radically dissimilar from a racial and cultural perspective and Tokyo and other cities start experiencing some vibrancy in the form of violent crime, drug gangs and “no-go zones” for Japanese citizens.

    What Japan is doing would be like America importing foreign workers from Croatia, Estonia and Hungary.

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @Anonymous
  3. The New York Post story concerns a study of students at Harvard University. The students were divided into two groups and tested for cognitive function—how well they did on basic IQ-type and reaction-time tests—during a heat wave. One group of students had air conditioning, the other didn’t.

    Result:

    Students who lived without air conditioning answered questions 13 percent more slowly than those who were able to escape the heat.

    Lee Kuan Yew, founder of modern Singapore:

    “Air conditioning was a most important invention for us, perhaps one of the signal inventions of history. It changed the nature of civilization by making development possible in the tropics. Without air conditioning you can work only in the cool early-morning hours or at dusk. The first thing I did upon becoming prime minister was to install air conditioners in buildings where the civil service worked. This was key to public efficiency.”

    https://www.vox.com/2015/3/23/8278085/singapore-lee-kuan-yew-air-conditioning

    • Agree: Triumph104
  4. I prayed again to God this morning for a nuclear winter to re-create the harsh Pleistocene environment in which Ice Peoples evolved and thrive.

    “Do not pray for an easy life, pray for the strength to endure a difficult one.” -Bruce Lee

    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
    , @artichoke
  5. Truth says:

    Vietnamese and Nepalese are Ice People now?

    All these population flows—blacks and Muslims into Europe, Central and South Americans into the U.S.A.—are from south to north.

    Hey, I always knew your colleague Alfredo was an iconoclast.

  6. Truth says:
    @KenH

    What Japan is doing would be like America importing foreign workers from Croatia, Estonia and Hungary.

    Nepal is to Japan what Croatia is to the US?

    Cool.

    • Replies: @reezy
  7. Bottom line: Hot weather makes people dumber.

    I wounder how a group would fair testing in a walk in freezer.

  8. Our East Arctic relations in South Korea are dealing with a batch of illegal aliens from Yemen.

    Worth noting that Imperial Washington is currently murdering the peasants in Yemen by disease and starvation.

  9. @WorkingClass

    Walking into the freezer already happened, and we know the results. The question is, can Ice Peoples survive the Holocene thaw and the Anthropocene Canicule.

  10. Only mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun!

  11. @Echoes of History

    Dear Lord
    I pray not for an easy life
    But for the strength to endure
    A difficult one.
    However
    If you could ease up a bit
    On some of the bullshit I got to deal with
    On a daily basis
    I’d be grateful.
    Amen.

  12. “Bruce Lee was an Ice Person.” Bruce Lee was an Asian Jew, a Sun person. Nothing kosher here. OK Derbyshire, I have a plan.

    Apparently you believe that the Chinese are Ice People. They are not. They are Sun people. Just take a look at your brown Chinese wife.

    Now, from your scribbling I gather you want to unite Ice People under a Southern Cross. You’re an atheist. As I recall from one of your articles, you don’t understand Christians. Funny, you grew up in an England that was very Christian. You also wrote one time that you help your pagan dragon lady with her ancestor worship rituals. Hmmmm. In another article, you are wrote that your Chinese son asked you questions about Christianity but you were unable to give him any good answers. Fascinating. One more time, the Japanese are the only intelligent Asians who can possibly be Ice People. The rest of Asia is populated by Sun People.

    This alliance you keep blathering about seems to really mean more importation of Chinese Sun People to the West. Your son has military training. You and his Chinese tiger mommy were unable to bring up properly so you put him in the military so that the US army could straighten him out. Let’s put his military training to good use. How about if he goes to Hong Kong and starts a freedom movement for mainland China. He can talk about the Magna Carta, Declaration of Independence, the Bill of Rights, cool things that WASPs thought up. If he doesn’t speak Chinese, he take his Chinese mommy with him and she can translate. This leaves you and your Chinese daughter. China has a shortage of females. I think you get my drift. And, as the head of the family, you need to be with them. Voila!!! The Chinese Sun People problems will be solved by you and your family.

    Also, Caucasian Latin Americans hate Asians. Just an FYI.

    • Replies: @Echoes of History
  13. “We flourish best in the shady temperate woodlands and windswept grasslands far from the equator.”

    I was based for a while in America’s Siberia, AKA Nebraska, and spent some time in the actual Siberia, and I can assure you it gets quite warm in both during the summertime. Chicago in summer is frequently more oppressive than Singapore.

  14. Today it’s another Brazil, a small white elite living behind high walls while brown and black narco gangs rule the slums.

    This is gross exaggeration. Argentina is more white than the United States. Vast majority of its population is whites with only small Amerindian admixture. It totally incomparable in racial diversity to Brazil.

    By the 1980s the quip among economists was that Argentina was a formerly-developed nation.

    Argentine was rich in late XIX and early XX due to being agroexporter. In this matter, Argentina is very similar to New Zealand. The latter as well prospered from agroexport and then suffered the relative decline: GDP per capita of NZ has fallen from 105% of US level in 1900 to 57% in 2000, the level similar to that of Portugal.

  15. This is another reason why, if we stop immigration now and work to dismantle the welfare state, the demographic problem will largely solve itself. The “sun people” do not have the personal habits or fortitude to survive in our climate without massive assistance from us. Can anyone imagine anything more implausible than a horde of workshy, squabbling Somalians surviving on their own in Sweden—in Sweden? Heck, African-Americans won’t even walk around in the springtime without two coats and beanie on.

    The welfare state must be liquidated for a whole host of reasons anyway; it’s unaffordable, unsustainable, and it destroys normal social relations. If getting rid of it would also help us on the immigration front, we should get to work on that right away. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: There would be no gimmigrants without gimmies. Let’s put this logic to use.

  16. @attilathehen

    Envy from the barren-womb, dry-breast bitterbitch births it’s ugly head again.

    Is this the Asian Rabbi you worship?

    Yep, that’s him! He certainly wasn’t from the West, of which you falsely allege yourself a supporter.

    Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in THE EAST Matt. 2:2

    There is a way for you to be saved, atilla, according to the Asians you worship:

    Women will be saved through childbearing. 1 Timothy 2:15

    But its too late. You’re doomed. No wonder you’re so bitter. Here’s your song.

  17. @Hildebrand

    Exactly. I have a sister who travels all over the world for business. She has been to China, Hong Kong and Singpore. She hates these Chinese populated countries. She says they are dirty, rude, and dumb.

    She was sent to Argentina. She loves Argentina. It is European and the people are beautiful. She hopes she never has to go back to Asia. She wants to go back to Argentina. Their small Amerindian population is well-integrated and everyone gets along. Also, they don’t like blacks in Argentina.

  18. reezy says:
    @KenH

    Regarding S. Africa, white nations should either adopt liberal refugee policies applicable only for persecuted white S. Africans or invade that nation and wipe out the ANC and it supporters and reimpose white rule. Assistance will be provided as long as S. Africa impose a one child policy on blacks and restrict all immigration to white settlers from throughout the Western world.

    If there existed a fraction of the will needed to carry such actions out, then none of the West would ever be in the dire situations we’re currently in to begin with.

    Your suggestions are nothing more than pipe dreams.

    • Replies: @KenH
  19. reezy says:
    @Truth

    Nah, the Vietnamese to the Japanese are more like Eastern Euros to Americans; the Chinese are like the central Euros.

    The Nepalese would be akin to the Iberian-descended Mestizos to the Japanese. Far from ideal, but not as disastrous as Haitians or Somalians would be.

  20. @Intelligent Dasein

    To destroy the Welfare State, one must first realize that women’s suffrage increased the size and scope of government.

    “Women choose higher tax rates than men to redistribute income.”

    Gender and Redistribution: Experimental Evidence (August 19, 2016).
    Tinbergen Institute Discussion Paper 16-063/I.

    http://ssrn.com/abstract=2828087

    It’s time to go full Sean Connery on feminism.

  21. @attilathehen

    Perhaps you’re correct that Asians are:

    1. Dirty. “Jesus did not first wash before the meal.” (Luke 11:38)

    2. Rude. “And another of his disciples said unto him, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father. But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.” (Matthew 8:21-22, Luke 9:59-62)

    3. Dumb. “Jesus was hungry. Seeing in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to find out if it had any fruit. When he reached it, he found nothing but leaves, because it was not the season for figs.” (Mark 11:12–14)

    So why do you worship an Asian who founded an Asian salvation cult?

    Jesus Was Asian: Christianity began in Asia! Jesus spent all of his earthly life in Palestine, on the continent of Asia, and the early church had its strongest congregations in Asia Minor…

    ASIAN CHRISTIANITY (Christianity Today, April 2010)

    http://www.christianity.com/church/church-history/timeline/1-300/asian-christianity-11629575.html

    1 Corinthians 16:19 “The churches of Asia send you greetings.”

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  22. @KenH

    Everywhere I go in my city, I am assaulted by the annoying sounds of Korean being spoken. I know they are better than Haitians, but why can’t I live in peace with my own people of European descent. Koreans are leaving their country in such numbers that it seems that they think that it’s a good place to be from but not to live in. Most expatriate Koreans probably don’t care if Korea is overflowing with Yemenis, Bantus or Hatians!

  23. KenH says:
    @reezy

    I’m aware of the current (sorry) state of whites worldwide and the odds of this happening, but pipe dream or not that’s what must happen.

  24. @Echoes of History

    LOL!!! I am irritating you to no end.

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  25. @Echoes of History

    Do you hang-up your wedding tackle on the doorpost before you enter your home?

    • Replies: @Echoes of History
  26. @Intelligent Dasein

    You are wrong about the welfare state. The welfare state in the West only works for Westerners, i.e., people who are not black/Asian/Jewish/Muslim.

    Biology is first, beliefs second. Swedish, Norwegian welfare states only work for real Swedes, Norwegians, not the new Swedes/Norwegians. Here is an article about this:

    https://vdare.com/articles/the-west-can-t-afjord-to-let-norway-die-and-norway-doesn-t-want-to

    Japan is the only example of a nationalistic, socialistic, democratic country that is only for the Japanese. Their deficits don’t matter because they are completely independent. Their mixed economy of capitalism and national socialism works perfectly for them, i.e., only the Japanese.

    The problems in the West are being caused by blacks/Asians/Jews/Muslims. Once we repatriate and segregate these groups, life will be more balanced.

  27. @attilathehen

    Many females I encounter are enchanted with a solicitous curiosity, so it’s not surprising that you too would communicate an eagerness to know more about me. But we’re not here to talk about my personal details.

    Do educate us further of what you know about people from Asia. With all the wisdom you have to offer, it’s disquieting to see you so abruptly finished.

  28. @attilathehen

    If, as you say, the problems in the West are being caused by blacks/Asians/Jews, then do you not consider the following blacks/Asians/Jews mentioned in the Jew Testament to be brothers and sisters in the Body of Jewchrist?

    Blacks: “Ethiopian” Acts 8:26-40, “Simeon the Black” Acts 13:1
    Asians: “The churches of Asia.” 1 Corinthians 16:19
    Jews: “WE WORSHIP what we do know, for salvation is from THE JEWS.” John 4:22

    ______

    Atilla the Heretic: “Biology is first, beliefs second.”

    The Jew Testament states the opposite: make-believe is first, nature, i.e., biology, second. A brief sampling of several characters in the Jew Testament follow:

    Jesus: “Hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters.” Luke 14:26
    Paul: “Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature.” Colossians 3:5
    James: “Unspiritual nature.” 1 John 2:16
    Jude: “Mere nature.” Jude 1:10

    The Jewish Rabbi Jesus said to “seek ye first” a make-believe magical kingdom. (Matt. 6:33). If you’re not seeking the Rabbi’s things first, that’s good. Maybe your rejection of the Bible means you’re finally growing up. Better late than never.

  29. @attilathehen

    Their deficits don’t matter because they are completely independent.

    This might have been true if Japan had a population above replacement fertility. It does not.

    Japan isn’t producing any young people to continue paying for the fiscal deficit. They’re fucked.

    Which is also why:

    The problems in the West are being caused by blacks/Asians/Jews/Muslims. Once we repatriate and segregate these groups, life will be more balanced.

    is false. The brown people are coming here to fill a void white women created by not having children. There was no reason to believe that America would return to “balance” if all those foreigners left.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
    , @Anonymous
  30. @Douglas MacDougal

    “Japan isn’t producing any young people to continue paying for the fiscal deficit. They’re fucked.” And yet, they are not importing any foreigners. They are developing their robot technology.

    They are aware of their birth dearth and are beginning to address it. https://qz.com/1297337/japanese-politicians-are-pushing-to-end-the-stigma-against-crying-babies/

    Keep the big picture in mind, Japan will remain Japanese. They will be fine.

    “There was no reason to believe that America would return to “balance” if all those foreigners left.” Most of these black/Asian foreigners are parasites. We’ll stop all foreign aid to the Middle East. It has been well-documented that they make use of welfare more than whites. Let’s start repatriating them and see what happens.

  31. @attilathehen

    We’ll stop all foreign aid to the Middle East

    “For if the Gentiles have shared in the Jews’ spiritual blessings, they owe it to the Jews to share with them their material blessings.” (Romans 15:27)

    Asian foreigners are parasites.

    If they’re parasites, then why would you worship an foreign Asian “King of Israel?” (John 1:49)

  32. dfordoom says: • Website

    And yes, the person in the story supplying charitable assistance to the illegals is indeed a nun from Romania.

    If East Asian nations want to save themselves one thing they need to do is to stamp out Christianity.

  33. Anonymous[423] • Disclaimer says:
    @Douglas MacDougal

    The Age of Automation will destroy 50% of the World’s jobs in the next 15-20 years according to some estimates. Robots are already driving cars and building houses in some places. Importation of hostile, low IQ mystery-meat is not going to make anything better (and it’s not designed to). The “workforce” angle is just another transparent lie – no better than the “we need their cooking recipes” knee-slapper.

  34. Derb, you forgot the song that really applies here: “Mad Dogs and Englishmen (go out in the noon-day sun).”

    “Who’s a naughty boy then?”

  35. @dfordoom

    To survive the invading Jew-worship cult, Koreans have already started doing the same thing to Cuckianity that Europeans had to do to survive: jerry-rig the foreign cult beliefs be the exact opposite of what is taught the Jew Testament.

    Blessed are the swole. :)

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @Anonym
  36. Anon 2 says:

    I essentially argued in Mr. Derbyshire’s previous post that China was located too far south to engage in systematic scientific research centuries ago. As he himself said, “Heat makes you dumb.” It’s no accident that we have Newton’s Laws of Motion, and not Hu Jintao’s Laws of Motion. Based on its long history, relative stability, and huge population (400 million already in 1900), back in 1900 China should’ve been at least as rich as (if not richer than) the United States or Britain. But it wasn’t. Even today, as China is desperately playing catchup (and brazenly stealing from the West), its GDP (PPP) per capita roughly corresponds only to the richer countries of North Africa. Clearly something was missing in China’s development.

    In terms of latitude, or distance from the equator, much of China corresponds to North Africa. When placed in the same hemisphere, most of China would be located south of Europe. So are we now using the appellation of Ice People with reference to North Africans? I’m quite aware of the arguments that the local climate depends on many factors, and not just latitude, but still the summers in Hong Kong (22°N) and even Shanghai (31°N, same as Jerusalem) are typically very hot and stifling. E.g., Shanghai highs in July and August average 90°F.

    The only evidence we have is history. And history tells us that the great scientific discoveries were made between the latitudes of 37°N (Miletus – atomic theory) and 52°N (Copernicus and Newton). The same goes for the Industrial Revolution.

    Apart from the occasional inventions, but nothing comparable to the precision of the ancient Greek Antikythera mechanism (at least 30 meshing gears), China did make contributions, but primarily in the area of religion (Taoism and Chan or Zen Buddhism), exploration of the Chi energy (acupuncture, martial arts, Qigong), astrology, feng shui, etc., all of which I claim is typical of peoples living closer to the tropics.

    The Buddha gained enlightenment at Bodh Gaya (25°N). The Great Pyramid of Giza is located at 30°N. Jesus of Nazareth preached near Jerusalem (32°N), Muhammad in Mecca (21°N, almost equal to the latitude of Hong Kong). Hence history tells us that peoples living near the Tropic of Cancer tend to develop new religions, systems of astrology, Yoga, non-rational philosophical systems such as Taoism, Advaita Vedanta, and all manners of superstition, but not physics or chemistry (based on the periodic chart and quantum mechanics).

    But science which originated farther north was dependent on the rational theology of Thomas Aquinas in which God was regarded not only as the Creator but also a rational Lawgiver (e.g., of the laws of nature). Ultimately, you are either the master of nature (which results in science) or victim of nature (which results in an obsession with fate, luck, and general victimhood and passivity). Oriental philosophies of life, preoccupied as they are with fate and luck – hence Chinese obsession with gambling – produce a passive attitude toward life, which is the opposite of scientific attitude. Science, on the other hand, is based on “disturbing the Universe” (“natura vexata”). In fact, there was fear in the 18th century that perhaps the invention of the lightning rods interfered with Nature too much, and hence went against the will of God.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  37. üeljang says:
    @dfordoom

    Christianity will never appeal to more than a very small fraction of the Japanese people because most of them are too smugly perverse for so much moralizing mumbo jumbo.

    I’ve found it interesting how the rare references to Christianity that one occasionally may encounter in Japan tend to emphasize the more violent, grotesque, ominous, threatening, or just generally negative/dark aspects of Christianity that are not so popular among present-day Whites, e.g. sin and punishment, absolution of sin in Christ’s blood, the day of reckoning’s being nigh, reconciliation with God, God’s seeing the heart and mind, etc. The few Japanese who have an interest in Christianity seem to have such interest because of an inkling of guilt regarding their own inherent nastiness (i.e. an introverted or self-conscious motive) and not because of a feeling of guilt toward other beings or a desire to help others (i.e. an extraverted or altruistic motive).

  38. JosephB says:

    One migration of polar to more equatorial I’ve seen is people retiring. Having cheap domestic help is nice, and retirement savings go much further. Looking ahead 20 years I don’t see the US in terribly good shape, so will be exiting to the Philippines. Mexico is a more popular place, but folks have chosen other countries in South America. If the US is going to import the worst elements of the third-world, why not retire somewhere that is relatively decent, that isn’t importing the worst, and is cheap? New Zealand and Australia look good, except for the last one. Immigrating there is also fairly tough (well, duh).

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  39. @attilathehen

    Do you believe even more firmly that Asians like Rabbi Jesus are, as you state “dirty, rude, and dumb”, since that is exactly how the Jew Testament characterizes his behavior?

    Is there any good reason for a European to worship a dirty, rude, and dumb Asian like Jesus?

  40. üeljang says:

    Anon 2 says:

    “In terms of latitude, or distance from the equator, much of China corresponds to North Africa. When placed in the same hemisphere, most of China would be located south of Europe. So are we now using the appellation of Ice People with reference to North Africans?”

    This is a major pet peeve of mine. Please consider the following data:

    Sapporo District Meteorological Observatory
    Average high temperature January -0.6°C, 30.9°F
    Average daily temperature January -3.6°C, 25.5°F
    Average low temperature January -7.0°C, 19.4°F
    (Sapporo, Hokkaido, Japan is located at approximately 43.067°N, 141.350°E. It is currently the fifth most populous city in Japan and the largest city on the northern island of Hokkaido.)

    Chicago O’Hare International Airport
    Average high temperature January -0.6°C, 31.0°F
    Average daily temperature January -4.6°C, 23.8°F
    Average low temperature January -8.6°C, 16.5°F
    (Chicago O’Hare International Airport is located at approximately 41.9741625°N, -87.9073214°W.)

    Sapporo is not even part of ancient Japan. It is located in Ezo, former Ainu territory (and bears a name that reflects that history: < Ainu sat poro “dry, large/grow (river)” or Ainu sar poro “reed field/reedy marsh, large/grow (river)”). January is, on average, the coldest month of the year both in Sapporo and at Chicago O’Hare. The average high temperature in January is not significantly different at the two locations. However, the average daily temperature in January and the average low temperature in January are actually slightly lower at Chicago O’Hare.

    The territory of Japan extends over a great distance from north to south, with people inhabiting both Wakkanai, Hokkaido (45°31′ N) in the north and Hateruma Island (24°2′ N) in the south. However, most of the population is concentrated within a rather narrow range of latitude in cities like Tokyo (35°39′ N), Yokohama (35°26′ N), Nagoya (35°11′ N), Kyoto (35°0′ N), Osaka (34°41′ N), Kobe (34°41′ N), Hiroshima (34°23′ N), Fukuoka (33°35′ N), and Nagasaki (32°47′ N). Compare Tunis (36°48′ N), Santa Barbara (34°25′ N), Xi’an (34°16′ N), Srinagar (34°5′ N), Beirut (33°53′ N), Atlanta (33°45′ N), Casablanca (33°32′ N), or Baghdad (33°20′ N). That’s right: Nagasaki (of atomic bomb fame) is further south than Srinagar in Kashmir, Atlanta in Georgia, and even Casablanca in Morocco. Furthermore, Japan is surrounded by the ocean on all sides, which moderates the climate; although Tokyo is the northernmost of the major cities I have listed, it is located on Tokyo Bay, it only rarely receives a light dusting of snow, and you can find all sorts of subtropical fruits growing outdoors there (oranges, kumquats, grapefruits, pomegranates, loquats, etc.). Hiroshima is famous for growing lemons. Lemons.

    Whoever has started this meme of Japan being a “cold country” or Japanese being “ice people” must be either a total nincompoop or intentionally deceitful. It makes me cringe every time I see or hear it.

    • Replies: @JosephB
  41. rec1man says:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Praggnanandhaa_Rameshbabu

    Praggnanandhaa is from Chennai, Tamil Nadu, India. He won the World Youth Chess Championship Under-8 title in 2013, and the Under-10 title in 2015.[2]

    In 2016, Praggnanandhaa became the youngest International Master in history, at the age of 10 years, 10 months, and 19 days.[3][4] He achieved his first grandmaster norm at the World Junior Chess Championship in November 2017, finishing 4th with 8 points.[5] He bagged his second norm at the Heraklion Fischer Memorial GM Norm tournament in Greece on 17 April 2018.[6] On 23 June 2018 he achieved his third and final GM norm at the Gredine Open in Urtijëi by defeating Luca Moroni in the eighth round to become, at the age of 12 years, 10 months and 13 days, the second-youngest person ever to achieve the status of grandmaster (Sergey Karjakin achieved the title at the age of 12 years and 7 months).[7]

    In 2018, he was invited to the Leon Masters 2018 for a four game rapid match against Wesley So. Many people thought that it would be an easy win for So, but the 12-year-old surprised chess enthusiasts by defeating Wesley So in game one, and after three games the score was tied at 1.5-1.5. In the last game So defeated Praggnanandhaa winning the match 2.5-1.5.[

  42. dfordoom says: • Website
    @JosephB

    why not retire somewhere that is relatively decent, that isn’t importing the worst, and is cheap? New Zealand and Australia look good,

    Australia is a great choice if you’re looking for incredibly high housing costs, very very high immigration levels, lots of homo-worship, lots of cultural degeneracy and of course zero freedom of speech.

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @JosephB
  43. Moving from SA to the Stavropol region of the New USSR would be a serious mistake. I can understand the temptation, however. The Stavropol region has been beset by problems from Russia’s islamics. Things are quitter at the moment, but, given the chance, the islamics will kill South African imports the same way they will kill Russians.

  44. @dfordoom

    Actually the East Asian nation China stamped itself out by performing over 400 million abortions for the past 30 years. This is only an estimate so I’m hoping the number is much, much higher. Their male to female ratio is completely out of whack. More good news as this brings a great deal of destabilization to China along with it being the fastest aging country in the world.

    Korea also has sex selection abortion. A very good thing. So basically Asia was not and never will be great again. Only Caucasians are capable of the intellect and morality required to be a Christian. With that said, our modern day Christianity will have to change. In the West only Christians churches for Westerners. In the East, they must have their own churches, if they want them.

  45. Tiny Duck says:

    Do you white “men” do anything but complain and moan about “your” riches being stolen?

    Learn some skills and make some money like People of Color.

    No wonder white girls aren’t having babies. white “men” just don’t cut the mustard

  46. @attilathehen

    If, as you say, only Caucasians are capable of the intellect and morality required to be a Christian, then why did the Apostle Philip recruit Africans into the church? (Acts 8:26-40) Why did the first Christians at Antioch elevate Simeon the Nigger (Black man) into leadership positions like “prophets and teachers?” (Acts 13:1)

    Whites will have to invent a new religion outside the multi-kulti Jew Testament if they desire a nationalist religion. Christianity is globalist as the International Jew Jesus commanded.

  47. Speaking of an Ice People allliance, I noticed a small (say 10′ high) rock-carved pagoda in Santiago, Chile, in a small park just S. of the river, that the S. Korean gov’t or people gave as a gift 8 years back during Chile’s bicentennial. There’s some comraderie, but the capital city looks far from being an Ice-people land. (I hope I can give you a report from Uruguay sometime – I thought of that place independently from reading your mentions of it. I had just looked at countries that were not well known down there and was very surprised in finding out Uruguay had 90% white people.)

    BTW, from down under the Southern Cross, it’s damn hard to imagine the sun being in the northern sky! I navigate without all the artificial stupidity, and, when getting slightly bewildered, I’d just look at the sun and make myself understand that, yes, that way is NORTH, not SOUTH. Astronomy – it’s some wild, wild stuff.

  48. @Echoes of History

    To destroy the Welfare State, one must first realize that women’s suffrage increased the size and scope of government.

    I’m not sure I agree with you even 50% of the time, EoH (though who’s counting), but here’s a big:

    AGREED!

  49. @attilathehen

    And yet, they are not importing any foreigners

    .

    Yes, they are, many of them from Africa and the Miidle East. Google it.

    They are developing their robot technology

    Technological development in Japan has largely stagnated. You need lots of young, motivated people to do that. Yet many young Japanese lack ambition of any kind.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  50. @Douglas MacDougal

    They are becoming more nationalistic. The number of foreigners they have is small and many are expelled.

    Japan will be fine. We need to get to work in the West.

  51. @attilathehen

    We ice peoples are North—not West—of the tropics. Girls and directions, jeesh, they struggle with the maths and think spatial orientation is a lipstick color. Here’s a map to help.

    Notice that the foreign “Holy Land” to which Magic Rabbi worshipers like you are loyal (John 1:49), and the foreign capital city that you consider heaven (Rev. 21:2), is NOT on the map.

    You need to get to work and de-jew your mind, and start considering the land in which you were born as the true Holy Land.

  52. @attilathehen

    Au contraire, mein neger. Japan has a record 1.2 million immigrants registered in the country, and many more overstayers who aren’t counted in that figure. Japan is accepting hundreds of thousands more immigrants every year, and the younger generations are NOT more conservative.

    Many of these immigrants are trouble makers, and scenes resembiing those in Europe are becoming more common with each passing year.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  53. artichoke says:
    @Echoes of History

    Yer nutz. Move way north if you want, enjoy the polar bears and whatever. I still want a nice easy life with a swimming pool or better, saltwater beach, and palm trees. It’s cliche to retire in the south, because it’s a fine idea.

    • Replies: @Echoes of History
  54. Anon 2 says:

    It bears repeating: In terms of latitude, or distance from the equator, China, unlike Europe, is an African country. For example, Hong Kong (22°N) has roughly the same latitude as Mauritania in West Africa. This partly explains why so many Chinese are emigrating to Africa, and in effect recolonizing it. Unlike whites who, with minor exceptions like Rhodesia and South Africa, never really felt at home in Africa, the Chinese feel perfectly acclimated to the African latitudes. Notice that China, like Africa, also has a desertification problem, mainly the expansion of the Gobi desert.

    China with its collectivist and corrupt mentality was never like the West. And now, thanks to advances in technology, China is becoming a surveillance state with truly devilish features. As the New York Times reported yesterday, the police in China can now look at you from a distance with special glasses, using advanced facial recognition technology, and instantly know your name and your national I.D. number. Do we really want to be associated with people like that, as Derb advocates? I don’t think so.

    The only natural association for people in the West is the solidarity of the (predominantly) white nations, including Russia. Perhaps this is what Trump tried to accomplish in Helsinki, meeting with Putin.

    • Replies: @denk
    , @denk
  55. Bliss says:

    The Ice People aka Northern Barbarians will all have to be sent back to their natural habitats in the frigid North, and made to stay there for good this time. For the sake of peace and harmony under the Sun.

    The historical border between Civilization and Barbaria goes from the Alps to the Caucasus to the Himalayas to the Great Wall of China. No Ice People will ever again be allowed south of this border.

    • Replies: @Rich
    , @Achmed E. Newman
  56. JosephB says:
    @dfordoom

    Is Australian housing that expensive outside of major cities? Also, I thought their immigration was points-based, so they’re getting a better class of immigrant.

    In any event, I was trying to find a list of good options, not compare countries to Utopia. Where would you suggest?

  57. JosephB says:
    @üeljang

    “Whoever has started this meme of Japan being a “cold country” or Japanese being “ice people” must be either a total nincompoop or intentionally deceitful. It makes me cringe every time I see or hear it.”

    I think “ice people” comes from where they evolved, not from where they’re living now. The Japanese underwent genetic adaptations to survive cold temperatures (e.g., shorter limbs). They’re ice people.

    Do nordic immigrants to Australia (a darn hot place in many regions) lose their iciness?

  58. Rich says:
    @Bliss

    Doesn’t matter, wherever we go, you guys follow us. Why won’t you just leave us alone? Why do you parasites have to keep feeding off us? Go back to your jungles, do something on your own. We gave you the wheel, now beat it.

  59. @Bliss

    Hey, just like Mr. Derbyshire missed a hemisphere, so did you, Mr. Bliss. You only spoke of a quartersphere, really. Where does the Western Hemisphere get divided, since we’re gonna work this thing out right here and now on unz.com? (It’s like the Treaty of Versailles, but we can write this one from our respective basements in our respective pajamas.) Would you go with the Mason-Dixon line, then going south down to the Rio Grand follow it upstream to Albuquerque, then follow the I-40 to Barstow?

    How about the Southern Hemisphere? I say, it should be pretty much per Derbyshire’s view, but he’s no Woodrow Wilson, nor am I. The Ice People should keep (or take back over) Antarctica, Argentina, Chile, Uruguay, S. Africa and maybe Madagascar, the latter just because nobody’s heard of that big island, and we could make use of it.

    Come to think of it, we could make use of the whole earth lots better than the Sun People, going around all Apacolypto-like, ripping out hearts, starving half the time, and shitting where they eat. You’ve had your chance to evolve, and you passed it up.

    Oh, and what Rich said.

    • Replies: @Bliss
  60. üeljang says:
    @JosephB

    JosephB says:

    “I think ‘ice people’ comes from where they evolved, not from where they’re living now. The Japanese underwent genetic adaptations to survive cold temperatures (e.g., shorter limbs). They’re ice people. ”

    I doubt that you could prove that. I think you have no evidence that the Japanese have undergone such “genetic adaptations,” let alone for that specific reason, and the hypothesis that the high trunk-to-leg length ratio (in colloquial terms, “stockiness,” “squatness”) famously exhibited by Japanese people may be attributed to their ancestors’ adaptation to cold temperatures is just that — a hypothesis. Perhaps their women (or — Heaven forbid! — their men) simply preferred sexual partners who looked good at wrestling over gangly waifs.

    As for what evidence concerning the genes of present-day Japanese people does exist, their genes seem to be just what one should expect for a population in their geographical location — intermediate between Koreans and Ainus. They do not appear to be out of place at all, although they do exhibit traces of some amount of gene flow from ancient China as one might expect according to their history and cultural accoutrements.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_D-M55

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_O-M268

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_O-M122

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_C-M8

    More than 90% of Japanese men carry Y-DNA that belongs to one of the four haplogroups listed above, and all of them appear to be of very ancient presence in the southeastern quadrant of Eurasia. Except the members of O-M122 (most of whom may be descendants of ancient Chinese), most Japanese members of these clades belong to branches that appear to be quite distinctive to the Japanese islands alone or to the Japanese islands plus the Korean Peninsula, which is west of and parallel to Japan rather than north of it. Their direct ancestors probably have resided in Japan or in very nearby parts of East Asia for tens of thousands of years. The most common Y-DNA haplogroup among Japanese men, D-M55, is most closely related (although even that at a great distance) to a Y-DNA haplogroup that is found in Andamanese (those extremely dark-skinned people who inhabit a small group of islands off the coast of Burma and Thailand), and the second most common Y-DNA haplogroup among Japanese men, O-M268, is the most common Y-DNA haplogroup among Nicobarese, Indonesians, Malays, Cambodians, and Thais (and also found in those extremely dark-skinned tribal folk in some isolated parts of mainland India and in the Malagasy), though, again, the branch that is most common among Japanese is only very distantly related to the branch that is common among Cambodians, etc.

    Most of the remainder of Japanese men do in fact belong to haplogroups of remote affinity to the Y-DNA of indigenous peoples of Siberia and the Americas, such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_C-M217, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_N-M231, and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_Q-M242, but even most such Japanese individuals, who already account for a small fraction of the total Japanese population, belong to branches of those haplogroups that are commonly observed among people like the Han Chinese, Koreans, Thais, and Vietnamese rather than to branches that are commonly observed among actual Siberians or Native Americans. So a few Japanese people have an ancestral relationship with indigenous people in Siberia and the Americas, but they are probably not descendants of recent migrants from those regions. In addition, perhaps 1% of Japanese belong to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_O-M119, which is found mainly among people along the shores of the South China Sea (Filipinos, southern Chinese, both aboriginal and Chinese populations of Taiwan, etc.).

    The Japanese are not “ice people.” They are a somewhat isolated and peculiar East Asian population, and they are more closely related to tropical East Asians (i.e. Southeast Asians) than they are related to boreal Asians (i.e. indigenous Siberians). The densely populated parts of Japan are mainly of subtropical climate, and if there has been any significant influence on the Japanese population through (historical) immigration, it probably has come from China and/or Korea, neither of which, as Anon 2 and I have been pointing out, is particularly “icy.”

  61. @üeljang

    The shorter legs of Asians have been proven to be inherited from Neanderthal and Denisovan admixture, the alleles in their homozygous state produce short distal limbs. It has nothing to do with “sexual selection” and shorter legged people aren’t good at wrestling. See “The Contribution of Neanderthals to Phenotypic Variation in Modern Humans”.

    The rest of your (wildly inaccurate) blathering about the Y-DNA haplogroups of Japanese males was simply cringeworthy. None of this has anything to do with the climactic adaptations of human populations. Most of that will be reflected in autosomal, X chromosomal and mtDNA.

    If you have anything resembling self-awareness or shame, you should probably go get in the toilet and flush yourself right about now.

    • Replies: @üeljang
    , @Sunbeam
  62. üeljang says:
    @Douglas macdougal

    The authors of that study have found that, among many other traits that have no clear relation to stereotypical Japanese appearance, sitting height is positively correlated among the individuals in a UK Biobank cohort with the presence of an allele that is assumed to have been prevalent among Neanderthals. Even if we assume that this phenotypic association would hold true for the same allele in the Japanese (although they are not the same as British people), and we assume that the allele has in fact introgressed into the main body of ancestors of extant humans through an unusual mating with a Neanderthal, and we assume that the notably high sitting height:standing height ratio exhibited by modern Japanese is attributable to a high frequency of this very same allele in the Japanese population, it does not logically follow that the ancestors of the Japanese have “adapted to a cold climate.” It means that they share an allele (and, presumably, a phenotype) with (some) Neanderthal. I asked you to prove that this peculiarity of present-day Japanese is a result of specifically Japanese people’s ancestors’ having inhabited a place that would justify labeling them as “ice people,” and you have not done so; granted, you almost certainly could not prove such a thing to my standard of evidence because that would require a demonstration of specifically Japanese (not any other Asian population that phenotypically resembles the Japanese from a Westerner’s point of view but that does not share the same notably high sitting height:standing height ratio) people’s ancestors’ presence in a place that was sufficiently cold at the time when they lived there.

    “and shorter legged people aren’t good at wrestling”

    You know perfectly well that I have been referring to stereotypes. Of course not all Japanese people have a proportionally great sitting height, and of course not all stocky people are good at wrestling, but the stereotypical image of a wrestler is of a short and stocky mesomorph (or, somewhat less typically, an endomorph).

    “The rest of your (wildly inaccurate) blathering about the Y-DNA haplogroups of Japanese males was simply cringeworthy.”

    On what grounds do you claim my summary is “wildly inaccurate”? I think you should leave that up to others to decide for themselves after reading the linked articles.

    “None of this has anything to do with the climactic adaptations of human populations.”

    It has to do with suggesting that the direct patrilineal ancestors of an overwhelming majority of present-day Japanese people appear to be related to members of other populations in southeastern Eurasia, and there is nothing that would strongly demonstrate an earlier presence of their patrilineal ancestors in an “icy” place.

    “Most of that will be reflected in autosomal,”

    That goes without saying.

    “X chromosomal…”

    The sauce is getting weaker…

    “MtDNA”

    MtDNA is transmitted down the direct maternal line of descent, analogous to the transmission of Y-DNA down the direct paternal line of descent.

    The mtDNA of the Japanese is, like their Y-DNA, related to that of East Asians and Southeast Asians more closely than it is related to the mtDNA of any population that inhabits an “icy” place. However, I will grant you that their mtDNA tends to show links to populations in a wide area of central Eurasia, including e.g. Turkestan, whereas their Y-DNA is more specifically related to clades that have been found in southeastern Eurasia.

  63. Bliss says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    The aboriginal mongoloids of North America are of Siberian origin aka Northern Barbarians to the Han Chinese.

    And just like their barbarian cousins in the Eastern Hemisphere, they too could never create a civilization of their own.

    Ditto for the Northern Barbarian swamp and forest dwellers of Northern Europe.

  64. @Bliss

    “Aboriginal” Americans aren’t fully Mongoloid. They share physical features — as well as DNA — with Europeans.

    As for creating civilization, the Amerindians did create civilizations of their own. And the Siberians (who were racially diverse and included Nordic Caucasians such as Genghis Khan) were able to conquer Chinese civilization. Which, if civilization is worth anything, should be just as impressive (if not more) ghan building one.

    The nomadic barbarians were wealthier, stronger, more intelligent than the inhabitants of civilization. This is why civilizations were often founded by barbarians, case in point, Rome. The pigmentation of Roman emporrers, the ruling classes, and the military were unlike those of the indigenous, pre-Indo European Etruscans. Rome was founded by genetically Northern European men like Lucius Sulla.

  65. @Douglas MacDougal

    Au contraire, mein cucked neger. Japan has a population of 127 million. Their immigrant problem is small. Japan will be fine. I stated we need to start repatriating and segregating. You are a cuck who does not want to do this.

  66. Bliss says:
    @Douglas MacDougal

    the Amerindians did create civilizations of their own

    In Central America not North America. Which points to a non-Siberian origin for the founders of the Olmec Civilization of southeastern Mexico, which was the Mother Civilization of the Americas.

    Nordic Caucasians such as Genghis Khan

    Lol. We got a nordicist nut job here. Unfortunately for your delusions:

    Genghis Khan:

    His son, Ögedei Khan:

    His grandson, Kublai Khan:

    Rome was founded by genetically Northern European men

    The Romans did not see Northern Europeans as their ancestors. They saw them as alien swamp dwelling barbarians.

  67. @attilathehen

    Au contraire, mein cucked neger. Japan has a population of 127 million. Their immigrant problem is small. Japan will be fine

    Japan has a population of 127 million, but look at the average age of the Japanese citizen. A disproportionate amount of Japanese citizens are old and the problem is getting “worse” each year.

    The population of Japan is expected to fall well below 100 million this century, while Japan’s government allows over 500,000 immigrants in every year.

    That’s the problem with you white trashionalists — you don’t understand concepts like time and cohorts. The Japanese are utterly fucked by your way of thinking — especially the young.

    As for calling me a cuck… You’re just a burnout roastie who is afraid of Asian women taking all the white men. :–D

    I’m not necessaeily for or against immigration, just recognizing the cause for it (craggy naggy white females like you who destroyed the family unit and are impossible to live around peacefully). The nation has to find a source of young people somehow, some way.

  68. @Bliss

    I figured you would post this trash. However, what most pukes of your ilk don’t seem to realize is that this portrait is not legitimate and are not of Genghis Khan.

    Y-haplogroup R1b-M343 of Tavan Tolgoi bodies may be another candidate for the Y-haplogroup of Genghis Khan and Genghis Khan’s Borjigin clan

    Although many regard the portrait at the National Palace Museum in Taipei, Taiwan, as the depiction most closely resembles Genghis Khan, all existing portraits, including this one, are essentially arbitrary interpretations of Genghis Khan’s appearance by historians living generations after Genghis Khan’s era [2, 6]. Although the factual nature of the statement is controversial, Persian historian Rashid-al-Din reported in his “Jami’s al-tawarikh” written at the start of the 14th century that most Borjigin ancestors of Genghis Khan were tall, long-bearded, red-haired, and bluish green-eyed, suggesting that the Genghis Khan’s male lineage had some Caucasoid-specific genetic features [44]. He also said that Genghis Khan looked just like his ancestors, but Kublai Khan, his grandson, did not inherit his ancestor’s red hair, implying that the addition of Mongoloid-specific alleles for determining hair color to the genetic makeup of Genghis Khan’s Borjigin clan was probably from the grandmother or mother of Kublai Khan, that is, the wife or daughter-in-law of Genghis Khan.

    ^ Taken from the paper that proved Genghis Khan’s Borjigin clan was Northwestern European genetically. The sons of Genghis Khan were part Mongoloid but the man himself was fully Caucasoid and European (and Nordic):

    http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0161622

    Which is what historians and anthropologists had already known for over 100 years….

    From Carleton Coon:


    McGovern has discovered a number of Chinese references to the Hiung-Nu and other Turkish-speaking “barbarians” which describe them as hairy, big-nosed, and partially blond. In later times, Genghis Khan was supposed to be red-haired and green-eyed. It is therefore likely that some of the Asiatic Nordic element found in the Jutas and Tiszadersz cemeteries was incorporated by the Avars before they left Mongolia”

    The Romans did not see Northern Europeans as their ancestors. They saw them as alien swamp dwelling barbarians

    Okay, the pigmentation of Roman elites and invasions of Nordic featured Indo-European speakers speaks for itself, the Roman empire was founded by “alien barbarians” from the North. A lot of those Romans later-period admixed Romans (such as emporer Caracalla) sure seemed to imitate the Northerners, wearing their clothes, wearing blond wigs, etc.

    • Replies: @Bliss
  69. Sunbeam says:
    @Douglas macdougal

    “and shorter legged people aren’t good at wrestling. ”

    Uh, that is utterly, totally wrong.

    Check out actual wrestlers sometime (and I’m not talking about the WWF or other steroid fest).

    Most wrestlers are built like fireplugs basically, whatever the weight class.

    • Replies: @Douglas MacDougal
  70. @Douglas MacDougal

    “just a burnout roastie who is afraid of Asian women taking all the white men. :–D” So basically, you’re another cucked white male who faceplanted himself in Asian poontang. If this is case, why aren’t you in Asia fighting for Asian survival?

    You’re quoting statistics that are too far out in the future. You’re another degenerate cuck who refuses to fight for the West under any circumstances. This is proven by the fact that you can’t decide if you are for or against immigration. Your “blame the white female” stupidity is proof of lack of masculinity. You’re just another version of Derbyshire.

  71. @attilathehen

    Why aren’t you in Asia, since you think the “Holy Land” is a foreign land in Asia, worship a foreign Asian “King of Israel” (John 1:49), and give your loyalty to a foreign Asian capital city (Rev. 21:2)?

    You’re quite the study in psychological projection, in which the human ego defends itself against unconscious impulses by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others.

  72. @Sunbeam

    Just thought i’d drop this picture on your shitty post, Sunbeam.

    Anatoly Pisarenko, Greco-Roman wrestler of the Soviet Union and only man to clean and jerk 265kg while weighing less than 300 pounds.

    6’3″ tall 120kg

    • Replies: @Sunbeam
  73. @attilathehen

    CHRISTIANITY vs JUDAISM

    I’m Lutheran, make no mistake. And no “shill”. But I do have queries-

    1) If the Jewish Torah is base and primitive, why do these folks generally commit less offenses and hold better jobs than people of other religions? Most Jews become dentists or bankers, not child groomers like Muslims. Much is made here about how base and violent the Jewish Talmud is, but Muslims and even Hispanic Catholics are more likely to commit vile street crimes.

    2) If Christianity is so great, why are evangelical Christians so poor in the United States? If a white identifies themselves as Baptist, chances are they are rural and poor? If they check down Catholic, chances are they middle-class Irish-Americans or Italian Yankees.

    3) Why are Catholics generally better-off than Baptists in the United States?

    I’m just wondering what exactly, Christianity has done for whites.

  74. @attilathehen

    You’re quoting statistics that are too far out in the future

    They’re not too far out in the future, you prole. They’re very easily calculated based on the number of women getting pregnant vs. the number of people in old age (who are guaranteed to die). In fact it is already written in stone that Japan’s population will dip below 100m in this century. At this point, Japanese women would need to birth 10 children per women just to compensate for the coming die-off of the older generations. Save for a ..3-.4 bump once in a blue year, their birth rates have been consistently falling for decades, and will never recover. Just recently itbwas announced that Japan had yet another record low in birth rates.

    Feminism destroyed that nation. Feminism will destroy this one, too. The white American birthrate will only continue to drown in the turbid waters of opiods, alcohol, and gargoylic females. Hostile, good-for-nothing women like you take all the blame for the immigration “crisis”. It’s your bed, you made it, now it’s time for you to go to sleep in if with your heroin addicted MAGA boyfriend while us real men have a good time without you. :–D

  75. @Bliss

    Central American Indians

    Aztec savagery is on-display in the US everyday, while the Chippewa in Michigan running a casino are pretty normal.

  76. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bliss

    The ancient Romans thought their state was founded by Trojan Prince Aneas who fled after Troy fell and ended up in Rome.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  77. @üeljang

    Japanese originated on the Korean peninsula, not the tropics.

    • Replies: @üeljang
  78. @Douglas MacDougal

    Japan imports meek and mild Filipinos and South Koreans for its shit-jobs that no Japanese will do and the idea that they will import Spics or Muslims in the future to replace an aging population is absurd. SJW is a white people’s disease.

    In the Philippines my neighbor was former “Japayke” girl of 45 who was fairly well set up because she’d worked in a blowjob bar in 1980 at 15 sucking off Japanese salary men.

    Prostitution being no shame in Cebu, she explained to me that Japanese Immigration is diligent even with its prostitutes and after two years working in the Yakuza-controlled bars they are swept out of their barracks at the end of their visa.

    Also, former migrant workers in Japan are not allowed to have another visa, much less a permanent residency.

  79. JAPANESE IMMIGRATION POLICY

    If you were a Japanese salary man would you rather be sucked off at the end your hard workday by a sweet courteous Filipino teenage girl or some glaring African she-boon who weighed a quarter of a ton?

    Or if you ran a factory would you import Hispanics to work in your factory whose kids will gangbang in the Tokyo suburbs or compliant Koreans?

    Japan is not about to import Muslims or Africans or Hispanics to replace an aging population.

    • LOL: Anonymous Jew
  80. Our big brains were caused by the Ice ages
    ⦁ William H. Calvin, ‘De opkomst van het intellect, Een reis naar de ijstijd’, Amsterdam 1994 (The Ascent of Mind. Ice Climates and the Evolution of Intelligence’, 1990)

  81. @Anon

    The Roman empire was in fact founded by Gauls, Celts, from N Italy, who, in 390 BCE, burned and looted Rome.
    The aristocracy realised that an army just of aristocrats no longer sufficed.
    Michel Rostovtzeff, ‘Geschichte der Alten Welt, zweiter Band, Rom’, Bremen 1961 (The History of the Ancient World)

  82. @Jeff Stryker

    The jewish culture sees learning as very important.
    As Hödl writes, ‘the simplest rabbi was in higher esteem than the richest Rothschild’.
    Four year old children were already taught reading the Torah
    But it is simply not true that always jews just held intellectual jobs, on the contrary, before they got equal rights they had the dirty jobs, cattle trade, butchering and hide preparation.
    There also were many jewish artisans, such as glass makers.
    Klaus Hödl, ‘Als Bettler in die Leopoldstadt, Galizische Juden auf dem Weg nach Wien’, Wien, 1994
    Helmut Walser Smith, ‘The butcher’s tale, Murder and anti Semitism in a German town’, New York, 2002
    André Schwartz-Bart, ‘Le Dernier des Justes’, 1959, 1980 Paris
    The last book is a novel, but in my opinion it quite well describes jewish life in Poland, say at the end of the 19th century
    The book also describes how and why jews were a separate community in Poland, no more than tolerated.
    Discrimination and violence against jews in Hitler Germany also is described

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
    , @Truth
  83. Hail says: • Website

    those Yemeni illegals in South Korea

    The ‘refugee crisis’ of Jeju Island supposedly involves only 500 to 1,000 Muslims.

    South Korea population: 50 million.
    1,000 Muslims / 50,000,000 = .002%.

    Same calculation for Merkel’s treason-blunder of 2015:
    1,500,000 Muslims / 82,00,000 [Germany pop.] = 1.8%

    The cases are simply not comparable at all when looked at in full daylight, and not just for reasons of scale. Another chasm between the two cases (East Asia [Korea] vs. Europe [Germany]): Korean and close-kindred racial-stock is still something like 98% in South Korea today, 99% if counting the two Koreas combined, whereas some regions of Western Europe are looking at slim majorities of White-Christians.

    Another difference, of high political significance, is that Koreans quickly closed ranks and staged ethnic-nationalist demonstrations to agitate against the Muslim refugees, almost immediately, already at this very-low threshold (.001%-.002%!) — for the same sorts of protests to emerge in Europe, it took (literally) over 1,000x times (!) the number of Muslim migrants into Germany. (There was no comparable ‘Refugees Welcome’ demonstration by Koreans of significance.)

    Finally, contrasting government reactions. Merkel, one one hand, who well into September 2015 proudly declared “no limit” on the no-questions-asked refugee admissions scheme she had introduced by fiat, vs. the soft-ethnonationalist Moon government in South Korea. Th e latter quietly taken steps to end the visa-free travel scheme. Some very low percentage of asylum petitions are ever approved, anyway; i.e., this small number of Muslims are going back.

    Similar moves by any European leader as to what Moon has done would evoke shrieks of ‘racism’ and ‘Nazism’ to which we are well accustomed, but nary a voice on the world stage would ever accuse an East Asian of such. Dare we call it — Asian Privilege?

  84. Biff says:

    Bottom line: Hot weather makes people dumber.

    Get out of the oven! Necessity is the mother of invention, and yes, the weather probably has something to do with it, but claiming hot weather makes you dumber has the scientific weight of a gnat.
    The northerners certainly had to get their shit together in order not to freeze/starve to death, and is most likely why they Industrialized first.
    I live halfway inbetween the Tropic of Cancer, and the Equator. You don’t need much clothing and the weather is very monolithic. Never really gets too hot or cold. Hangs right around 75 – 92 degrees F. Very relaxing for Buddhists, or anyone who is looking for enlightenment, and if you get hungry, just head on in to the jungle and it’s hanging right there on the vine.
    All you need

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  85. @Bliss

    NORTHERN BARBARIANS

    That must be why Finland and Germany are so backward compared to Malta or Sicily.

    I mean look at how those industrious Mediterraneans are the engine of the EU and those lazy Germans keep asking for bailouts.

    No wonder the refugees from Africa and the Middle East want no part of Northern Europe where Germanic languages are spoken and stay in Greece.

  86. @Douglas MacDougal

    Turkish immigrants are not the most desirable but this is not the same as importing blacks or Mestizos.

  87. first more than 95% of the black sun people were born here and whose parents before them were citizens born here.

    second, icepeople should freeze their tendency to go about the planet muckraking and displacing any other peoples.

    • Replies: @denk
  88. @jilles dykstra

    “The Jewish culture sees learning as very important”

    So some Jew manages to stay off hard drugs and become a dentist or a lawyer or broker; some rural white prole who just screwed around in high school, married at 20 and divorced at 25, had kids at 21, maybe dabbled with hard drugs and got hooked on meth etc. wants to blame the Jews for running his life?

    “They had the dirty jobs”

    So did the Irish-Catholics and a bunch of other immigrant groups whose grandchildren are now lawyers or businessmen on the East Coast. Much can change in 80-100 years.

    Heck, my great-grandfather came to Detroit at 14 as a cabinet maker from Germany and eventually owned a lumber yard.

    But the white proles who remain stuck in poverty, generation after generation, do it of their own free will.

    “Jews in Poland”

    Polish-American Catholics in Chicago are not the ones hysterically blaming the Jews for being behind the Oxy crisis or whatever conspiracy. Nope, it will be rural white proles. Nine times out of ten.

    “Nazi Germany”

    World War II ended 73 years ago and no German-American in Queens like Trump’s father is a threat to Jews or wants anything but their money.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  89. Sunbeam says:
    @Douglas MacDougal

    That’s one picture, of one guy, who apparently competes in a sub-branch of modern wrestling (though obviously with antique roots).

    I stand behind my point.

  90. Swan Knight says: • Website

    Russia will greatly benefit from importing Boer farmers. Russia knows this. The Boer farmer is hard working, industrious, and expert. The Russian aggricultural output will benefit exponentially. Boed are also sturdy and attractive specimens of the Caucasian race. Russian women are arguably the World’s most attractive. South African Boer Charlize Theron ranks among Hollywood ‘s best looking stars. Boer Candice Swanepoel is arguably the best looking model on the planet. Boer Demi-Liegh Nel-Peters won Miss Universe. Vladimir is one smart cookie

  91. Head north, young Ice Person!

    It goes the other way too. I have a feeling that colder climes are just not good for the dark-skinned. There must be real useful evolutionary reasons why Euros etc have lighter skin. A lot of blacks in colder geographic areas get various mental illnesses. It’s not surprising that vitamin d deficiency is associated with schizophrenia: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4257987/

    Blacks do quite well on warm islands like the Bahamas, Bermuda, Barbados. And on mainland US, Atlanta. Compare these blacks to the colds of Detroit, Chicago etc.

    If you look at immigration patterns, you might find that people who go to places which are unlike their original homeland end up with more pathologies – Scots-Irish in the south for instance. Compared to Scandinavians in Minnesota.

    • Replies: @Sunbeam
  92. @attilathehen

    HEN

    “The welfare system does not work for Jews”

    Jews on welfare a fraction of the number of white proles on welfare in the Flyover or the South. It is not East Coast Jews pleading for Fed loans or bailouts.

    The whites in the South or the US interior will talk about lower taxes, self-reliance, small government…and then plead for the Federal Government to bail them out because they have not diversified their economy.

    • Replies: @anon
  93. Bliss says:
    @Douglas MacDougal

    Y-haplogroup R1b-M343 of Tavan Tolgoi bodies may be another candidate for the Y-haplogroup of Genghis Khan and Genghis Khan’s Borjigin clan

    They have no evidence that the bodies they tested belonged to Genghis Khan’s lineage.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Descent_from_Genghis_Khan#DNA_evidence

    Numerous studies by teams of biochemists, based on the Y-DNA of modern descendants of Genghis Khan, have indicated that Genghis Khan may have belonged to a subclade of Haplogroup C-M217 (C2)

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_C-M217

    Haplogroup C-M217 is the modal haplogroup among Mongolians and most indigenous populations of the Russian Far Eas

    Persian historian Rashid-al-Din reported

    He never laid eyes on Genghis Khan. On the other the Chinese painted portraits of his grandson Kublai Khan who ruled China, and there is no trace of Caucasian ancestry in him. Or in any of his other descendants.

    • Replies: @Douglas MacDougal
  94. üeljang says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    You utterly destroyed that straw man with your succinct, matter-of-fact argumentation.

    Seriously, though, if we assume for the sake of argument that “The Japanese,” like a Platonic ideal, in its complete perfection has sprung from the earth behind some rock that is located within the territory presently known in English as the Korean Peninsula, then that rock would most likely be somewhere around, say, Gimhae, South Korea (35°14′03″N 128°52′52″E). That is about the same latitude as Nicosia, Cyprus, or slightly further south than Heraklion (Crete), Yokohama, or Tokyo, where, as I have noted in a previous comment in this thread, one may find pomegranates, loquats, and oranges fruiting all over the place. Gimhae is located on the lower reaches of the Nakdong River, near the seashore across from the Japanese island of Tsushima. The winter wind in Gimhae is probably somewhat chillier than it is in Yokohama or Tokyo because of Gimhae’s more westerly location, less isolated from air masses moving southeastward from northern China and Mongolia, so perhaps you might tend to encounter yuja rather than oranges, but I guarantee you that it is not a place that most Europeans or Anglo-Americans would consider to be “icy.”

    The hypothesis that “The Japanese” “originated” on the Korean Peninsula is based on archaeological interpretation and theory. Since a great fraction of East Asians are consummate liars and bullshitters, a cautious observer might consider archaeological findings to be stronger evidence than East Asian historical texts, but I should note here that there is absolutely no historical next, not in China, not in Japan, and not in Korea, that claims that “The Japanese have originated in Korea” or anywhere that may be interpreted as being located on the Korean Peninsula. In fact, the few comments in ancient histories that discuss relations between some people who seem to have inhabited part of the Japanese Archipelago and some other people who seem to have inhabited part of the Korean Peninsula state that the former had been granted (perhaps merely nominal) authority over the latter by some emperors of China and that the latter revered the former, not vice versa. The ancient legends of Koreans as they are recorded in the oldest extant Korean historical text (completed in the mid-12th century CE) claim Japanese ancestry for several of their founding monarchs and grandees. Based on data acquired through archaeological excavation and on simple geographical grounds, I do not doubt that it is plausible that a significant number of the ancestors of Japanese people during, say, the latter half of the first millennium BCE or the first half of the first millennium CE may have migrated to the islands from some place on what would later become the Korean Peninsula, but it is quite presumptuous to make such a smugly succinct statement in the manner that you have done.

    In any case, if you want to base a defense of Derbyshire’s description of Japanese as “ice people” on a hypothetical genetic connection between Japanese and Koreans, you must prove that it is reasonable to call the Koreans “ice people,” too. Present-day Koreans have been demonstrated to be in the main related to Chinese people (and even related to people so far away as Vietnam), probably descended from Neolithic societies in China proper. However, in comparison to the Chinese, the Koreans do exhibit some amount of genetic deviation toward the Japanese.

    To find a place in eastern Asia that might be considered notably “icy” by Westerners, you would have to look as far north as Inner Mongolia or Manchuria, and there is very little evidence to support a claim that the majority of ancestors of present-day East Asians have lived in such places. If anything, the previous inhabitants of those “icy” regions have recently been (or are currently in the process of being) replaced or significantly modified by migrants from more temperate regions located to their south.

  95. @Reg Cæsar

    Are you a feminist ankle-biter who hates James Bond’s manhandling of women? Sean Connery’s mistaken notion on gun politics may distract—but does not negate—the manly example of James Bond disciplining wayward females.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  96. Moi says:
    @KenH

    I’m wondering if the author of this article and Bibi are closely related.

  97. @üeljang

    A) Jomon people apparently did at some point originate in Korea and enter Southern Japan.

    B) Nobody knows WTF Ainu are. Not really.

    C) There may have been early migrations from Russia into Northern Japan in the bargain.

    I suspect that, similar to the British Isles, you start out with some natives (Ainu) and then an ancient migration from the nearest landfall (Korea, Germany from which the Angles came) and toss in another wave of invaders here and there (Russians into Northern Japan, Danes into East England).

    • Replies: @Hail
  98. @üeljang

    JANG

    MONGOLIAN ADDENDUM

    There was also some gene flow back and forth between Northern Japan and Mongolia (Via Kuril Islands). Remember that the Ainu invaded Mongolia. I forgot about that.

    Forgot that, sorry.

  99. Sunbeam says:
    @TelfoedJohn

    “If you look at immigration patterns, you might find that people who go to places which are unlike their original homeland end up with more pathologies – Scots-Irish in the south for instance. Compared to Scandinavians in Minnesota.”

    It’s a shame this thread won’t be on the front page much longer. I’m really interested in this topic, and would like to follow a discussion on it.

  100. Rich says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    I live and work in NYC, so my view might be a little different than people from other parts of the country where there are few Jews. Here in NY the wealthier Jews are secular, their Judaism is more of an ethnic identity than religious. The religious Jews we see here are often poor, live in housing projects and may work in retail, janitorial jobs or security guard positions. The poorer Baptists and Evangelicals are generally from parts of the country hurt most from globalism and the regions they live in are either where many of our manufacturing plants used to be, or rural farm areas, where people generally have less money. And remember, Christianity has a very strong ethos against wealth, the rich man and the camel fitting through the eye of a needle and all that. Judaism celebrates wealth.

    Christianity, in and of itself, isn’t a bad thing for any race. A religion that teaches people to be sober, honest and monogamous is good for a society. Unfortunately, it’s difficult to have such a society in the multi-ethnic, multi-racial nation the US has become, where it’s now every man for himself. And, of course, many religious leaders in the Christian community have turned out to be bums.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  101. South African whites heading for Russia? Wow. I thought they were mostly headed to Australia. Packing for Perth.

  102. The concepts of “ice people” and “sun people” are, of course, unscientific nonsense but it’s not hard to see what John Derbyshire’s problem is. Left to himself, he would probably define people of European descent as the master race but he has a problem. Mrs D is Chinese. He can’t really declare his own wife and their mixed race son, who is, I believe, a serving US soldier, to be “Untermenschen”! So he has had to do some conjugal conjuring and invent a master race which includes both people of European descent and people of Far Eastern descent. The people he has defined out of the master race, he then calls “sun people”. The Chinese probably laugh at the idea of their being placed on the same level as the long-nosed savages form Europe!

  103. @Biff

    The study is sound, but it does not actually show an IQ difference due to heat; from what I can tell, it involves the Stroop Test. Strictly speaking, this doesn’t actually impact intelligence as we understand it from a mechanical standpoint; the Stroop Test is a test of executive functioning, or the ability of the cortex to slam the brakes on the limbic system.

    It connects that argue that hot weather leads to less emotional control, which is empirically familiar with a lot of arguments of “Southern people.” This also has been replicated in other experiments(hotter temperatures lead to more anger), and I believe, even in the exact same people exposed to different temperatures.Emotional control is important, of course, to performance but its not exactly “intelligence.”

    Heat does impact blood flow and blood pressure; it probably actually impacts intelligence which is affected by cranial bloodflow. But Stroop Tests in themselves don’t tell us that.

    • Replies: @Biff
  104. @Echoes of History

    You make Tiny Duck look like a pro.

    • Replies: @Echoes of History
  105. Hail says: • Website
    @üeljang

    Present-day Koreans have been demonstrated to be in the main related to Chinese people

    Korean Y-DNA lines (from a commenter at Dienekes in 2009):

    - 40%: O3-M122 [pan-East Asian, centered in China; see frequencies]
    - 30%: O2b-SRY465 [mainly found in Kor. and Jap.; see frequencies]
    - 15%: C3-M217 [Mongolic origin? Frequencies highest in Central Asia today]
    - 4% Other O, n.o.c. (see here) [pan-East Asian]
    - 3%: O1a [Austronesians like Tagalogs (45%), Taiwan aboriginals (90%); frequency]
    - 2%: D (may mainly be D1b, characteristic Y-line for Japanese [35%] and Ainu [80%])
    - 6%: Other, including N1 and Q, which is an ancient line in Asia today present at low frequency in Asia itself but forming an enormous majority of most Amerindian groups (pre-1492) [one study found 2% in Korea for Q1a1].

    _______________________________
    Y DNA lines for Japan (approx.) [from Wiki, median used in cases of ranges]:

    - 18%: O3-M122 (highest in Kyushu)
    - 30%: O2b-SRY465
    - 5%: C3-M217
    - 2%: O1a
    - 35%: D
    - 10%: Other (Q1a1 at <1%) (N and O, n.o.c., at 3%)
    _______________________________

    Similarities
    - identical proportions of O2b-SRY465, about 30% for Japanese and Korean men;
    - identical proportions of O1a;

    Differences
    - the China-oriented O3-M122: 40% for Koreans, only 18% for Japan
    - D: 2% for Korea; 35% for Japan!

  106. Biff says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    It connects that argue that hot weather leads to less emotional control, which is empirically familiar with a lot of arguments of “Southern people.” This also has been replicated in other experiments(hotter temperatures lead to more anger),

    Oh boy is that rich!

  107. @Reg Cæsar

    Aww, don’t cry like a girl when you have the feminist mudslinging you attempted on James Bond thrown back in your face. Like I said, an actor’s personal opinion on a political issue may detract, but does not negate, the masculine example of James Bond discipline of females in the movies. Try harder next time, ok?

  108. Hail says: • Website
    @Jeff Stryker

    Jomon people apparently did at some point originate in Korea and enter Southern Japan

    Originate is an ambiguous term: At some point they lived there, after living somewhere else, and before living somewhere else. It’s kind of a parlor game.

    The problem is, I am sure you will agree, in wrapping a complex subject up in nationalist clothing, and saying (as many Koreans do) that somehow present-day Koreans are superior to present-day Japanese, or at least their history is superior, because some large portion of Japanese ancestral stock “originated” on the Korean Peninsula a very-long time ago.

    Consider this: It is believed tht Neolithic Jomon men were primarily of the Y-haplogroup “D.” We observe D haplogroup today at a very high rate in Japan (circa 35%) but a negligible rate in Korea (circa 2%), which, of course, if [1] the Jomon are the primary ancestral group of the Japanese and [2] ‘originated’ in Korea, necessarily implies a near total [male] population replacement in Korea in or after the Bronze Age — some time after 900 BC when Jomon colonization of Japan is said to have begun; perhaps centuries later. Where did the new male lines in Bronze Age Korea come from (“originate”) that replaced the male population of the Korean Peninsula? If they came primarily from present-day China and somewhat from Mongolia (as they may have, if the narrative here proposed is accurate; see also here ), does this somehow undermine the concept of a Korean ethnicity? After all, they…originated in points hundreds, in some cases thousands, of miles west!

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
    , @anonymous
  109. @artichoke

    Son of a nutcracker, why do you hate Santa so much? Sleigh bells and reindeer and presents under the tree and warmth by the hearth’s yule log are here up north. ANTI-SANTITE! He’s making a list and checking it twice, and you’re naughty, not nice. And you’re probably an oildriller, since your standard is the cliché.

  110. @Hail

    “Koreans believe they are superior”

    I knew a Korean who worked in Japan back in the 80′s before the Filipinos replaced Koreans in the menial job sector-he was 10 years older than I-and Japanese hold Koreans in equal contempt.

    Remember that Mongolians also entered Japan via the Kuril chain in ancient times and make up one of the branches now forming modern-day Japan (Ainu later invaded Mongolia and went to war with them).

    As for Ainu themselves, nobody knows where those people are from.

    So like all other islands, the homogeneous population is a result of various founding populations. Brits are the result of Celts and Germans and Normans from France.

    I’d say Japanese are similarly the result of Koreans, Mongolians entering the island and mixing with the Ainu.

  111. @Bliss

    They have no evidence that the bodies they tested belonged to Genghis Khan’s lineage

    .

    Yes there is. These bodies belonged to the wealthiest tombs ever found of Genghis Khan’s Borjigin clan, in an area near to his place of birth, dated within the period of his lifetime. They were fathered by R1b males, same clade as modern Irishmen.

    Taken in to account the Nordic Caucasoid description of Genghis and his Borjigin clan as well as several other pastoral clans in Mongolia and central Asia (the Xiongnu, the Kyrgyz, etc) there is now no reason to believe Genhis Khan was not a Nordic man.

    Not a single Borjigin clan remain has ever tested for haplogroup C. That was pure speculation which was turned over in 2018 when it was announced that there is nothing linking Genghis OR the Borjigin clan which founded the Mongol empire to haplogroup C.

    He never laid eyes on Genghis Khan

    .

    That doesn’t matter! Rashid al-din was a CLERIC and a SCHOLAR who merely quoted Islamic historians; and he DID see the Borjigin clan relatives of Genghis Khan who WERE described as tall, blue eyed, golden-reddish haired.

    In addition to this, Genghis Khan’s own mother said she was impretnated by a yellow haired man in her tent.

    On the other the Chinese painted portraits of his grandson Kublai Khan who ruled China, and there is no trace of Caucasian ancestry in him. Or in any of his other descendants.

    Hahaha, 100% wrong.

    You can believe whatever you want, science and history are on my side, however.

    • Replies: @Bliss
  112. Anon[566] • Disclaimer says:

    Bio-Leninism

  113. denk says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    Good thinking.

    The trouble with WTS , white trash supremacists [such as attilaC], is they wanna have their cake and eat it.

    [Q]
    If you dont want alien ‘invasions’ you should stop invading [see, no ''] the world.

    WTS
    But ,but its not our wars, its the Jew’s wars.

    Such lame excuse was soon belied by their own blood lust for more wars….

    *We conquered North America illustrates the indigenous inferiority.

    *White colonisations were godsend for the primitive Africans, rag heads, chinks, gooks, japs….

    *The abos are so retarded its better that we toke their land…..

    WTS [such as attilaC] dont want any ‘primitives’ to defile their land, but they have no qualm turning primitives land into shit holes, !

    That’s why when WTS cry ‘white genocide’ , I say bring it on !

    p.s.
    WTS is a subset of white ice people, the trouble is, they call the shots 1

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  114. anonymous[239] • Disclaimer says:
    @üeljang

    Here’s a good genome-wide study on the topic:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4701090/

    It’s a little lengthy, but it will give you a clearer and more nuanced view of the genetics of East Asia. Here is the abstract:

    Despite recent advances in population genomics, much remains to be elucidated with regard to East Asian population history. The Ainu, a hunter–gatherer population of northern Japan and Sakhalin island of Russia, are thought to be key to elucidating the prehistory of Japan and the peopling of East Asia. Here, we study the genetic relationship of the Ainu with other East Asian and Siberian populations outside the Japanese archipelago using genome-wide genotyping data. We find that the Ainu represent a deep branch of East Asian diversity more basal than all present-day East Asian farmers. However, we did not find a genetic connection between the Ainu and populations of the Tibetan plateau, rejecting their long-held hypothetical connection based on Y chromosome data. Unlike all other East Asian populations investigated, the Ainu have a closer genetic relationship with northeast Siberians than with central Siberians, suggesting ancient connections among populations around the Sea of Okhotsk. We also detect a recent genetic contribution of the Ainu to nearby populations, but no evidence for reciprocal recent gene flow is observed. Whole genome sequencing of contemporary and ancient Ainu individuals will be helpful to understand the details of the deep history of East Asians.

  115. Gosh. The Story of Mankind in the comments at Unz.

    We’d better step up the War on the Unconceived, aka Human Fertility Derangement, so that it all goes a lot quieter and we can get a good night’s sleep.

  116. @denk

    DENK

    The British have not been in mainland China for 120 years. The US was never in China.

    No country where English is the first language is more of a shit-hole as China. Overall, I mean.

    Iraqis did not “invade” the US following the Iraq War. Surprisingly few Iraqis came to the US following the war.

    The complaint is that Latin American are flooding over the border.

    • Replies: @myself
  117. denk says:
    @Anon 2

    China is becoming a surveillance state with truly devilish features. As the New York Times reported yesterday, the police in China can now look at you from a distance with special glasses, using advanced facial recognition technology, and instantly know your name and your national I.D. number. Do we really want to be associated with people like that, as Derb advocates? I don’t think so.

    Its comical to see murkkans desperate to find faults with China, prolly to divert attenton from their own shit hole.

    China’s face recognising system has already helped to apprehend many criminals who managed to dodge the law for decades.

    Good job, this would make life more difficult for CIA/MI6 creeps to create trouble in China.

    China’s public surveillance is benign in nature and its scope looks like child’s play compared to fukus international surveillance on friend and foe .

    For example,
    in 2006, two murkkans were murdered in Indonesia.
    The powerful radars at Pine Gap intercepted Indonesian military communication which revealed the army was behind the murder.

    If you think Washington would made use of this evidence to help the Indonesian police nab the culprits , you’d be shocked, SHOCKED !

    Washington withheld that info , bludgeoned the Indon police to frame the West Papuan separatists for the murder.

    BUT WTF would washington do something like this ?
    cuz uncle sham wanna robe the Indon army into its anti Chinese bandwagon. !

    I mean, if ’500000 iraqi children was worth it’, what’s the lifes of two inconsequential murkkans ?

    hehehhe

    • Replies: @denk
  118. anonymous[239] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hail

    some time after 900 BC when Jomon colonization of Japan is said to have begun; perhaps centuries later.

    Huh? Jomon (or rather, Paleolithic-Jomon) colonization is thought to have begun closer to 25,000-40,000 years ago..

    • Replies: @Hail
  119. denk says:

    somebody should tell JS once I consign somebody into my bozo file, that means no more free educations.

    hehehhe

    ciao

  120. @Jeff Stryker

    About jewish learning, if German is too difficult for you, see the statistics in
    Ismar Schorsch, ‘Jewish Reactions to German Anti-Semitism, 1870 – 1914′, New York 1972

  121. Anonymous[188] • Disclaimer says:
    @attilathehen

    China has more than 10 times the population of Japan, plus an illiberal and authoritarian government, so I’m not sure why you claim that China is worse off demographically than Japan is.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  122. @KenH

    White South Africans had many opportunities throughout history to chose to have their own nation. And in every case–right down to choosing to turn over power rather than partition–they chose … cheap labor.

    The cheap labor shills are the enemy of nations, of humanity. They are evil.

    • Agree: TheBoom
  123. Anonymous[276] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hildebrand

    That’s not true actually. Most self-identified whites in Argentina have significant Amerindian ancestry and some African ancestry:

    http://www.unz.com/gnxp/how-argentina-became-white/

    Argentineans carried a large fraction of European genetic heritage in their Y-chromosomal (94.1%) and autosomal (78.5%) DNA, but their mitochondrial gene pool is mostly of Native American ancestry (53.7%); instead, African heritage was small in all three genetic systems (<4%).

  124. anon[115] • Disclaimer says:

    The more developed Japan became, the less the Japanese emigrated. But the opposite is true for Koreans and Chinese. The more their countries develop, the more they emigrated. All those who can afford to, leave, just like the Indians. Why is that?

    I think Chinese and Koreans are much more like each other than they are like the Japanese. Chinese and Koreans are corrupt, dishonest, materialistic and selfish, so they despise the dog-eat-dog, corrupt societies that they create and want to leave. But as soon as they emigrated, they’ll start talking about the greatness of their culture, completely forgetting that it was exactly the rottenness of that culture that made them want to leave and not live among their own kind. In that regard they are very much like the Indians, and the Jews. The latter two are even worse, they also like to organize politically and are almost always socialist and liberal. These are not the shit cultures we want to import.

    The Japanese on the other hand are much more honest, spiritual, civic minded and cohesive as a group. That’s why they quickly modernize and rarely emigrated once the country became rich.

    The US needs to shut down all immigration from China, Korea, India, all of Latin America and Africa before we become more and more like these countries. I don’t care if they are ice people or sun people, they have nothing to contribute to the western world except corruption, materialism, selfishness, and in the case of Latin Americans and Africans, crime and violence.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  125. myself says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    The British have not been in mainland China for 120 years. The US was never in China.

    I would love to agree with you, but this is not accurate.

    I assume when you say “in mainland China”, you don’t mean residing in Chinese lands as businessmen, students or diplomats?

    You have to have a tighter definition of “in mainland China”. I don’t mean this as a sort of semantic statement – this definition is very crucial to this topic.

  126. Dante says:
    @Hildebrand

    Yes you are correct the vast majority of Argentine’s trace their ancestry to the millions of Europeans who settled there at the turn of the century and a minority are descended from colonial era settlers inc those with Native ancestry who were there long before the major European wave of settlement. The same applies to Southern Brazil Uruguay and to a lesser extent Chile. The Southern Cone is also known as the ” Other Europe “

  127. @Douglas MacDougal

    Agree with your comment except for the last one. American whites have had a remarkably high birth rate for a very long time.

    Given the right economic circumstances, the rate could become close to replacement again. It was averaging 1.85 until 2008.

  128. anon[348] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    It is not East Coast Jews pleading for Fed loans or bailouts.

    Jews on Wall Street got the biggest bailouts of anybody in 2008, especially Goldman Sachs.

  129. anon[348] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    1) It’s true Jews typically do not commit violent crimes, because they have lower testosterone compared to blacks and browns. But Jews commit a lot of white collar crimes due to their lack of honesty and self-restraint. However they are smart and know how to organize and legalize all their crimes, like setting up “campaign financing” and “lobbying” to legalize buying of political influence, lying through their teeth everyday on msm, or to their students if they teach, while convincing themselves “it’s not a lie if you believe it”. Jewish shylocks on Wall Street turned that place into a casino that privatizes profits and socializes losses. Shyster Jewish lawyers make up the bulk of ambulance chasers. The overwhelming number of Jewish psychiatrists is one major reason why we now have a “mental health crisis”, “opiod crisis”, “homeless crisis”. A large number of medicare fraud are committed by Jewish, Indian and black “doctors”. Jews in Hollywood turned it into a depraved cesspool. Silicon Valley is their next target. Whatever the Jews take over, they run it to the ground.

    2) Whites are poor because they are either not as materialistic as Jews or are victims of Jewish dishonesty and prejudice.

    3) Catholics are also more dishonest than protestant whites, therefore richer.

    Christianity or more appropriately, Protestantism, helped whites create the best societies that everyone else wants to immigrate to, including and especially Jews.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  130. @Douglas MacDougal

    Once again, a Western man involved with Asian poontang is completely illogical and worthless. The fact that you harp on the Japanese means you don’t live in Japan or have a Japanese woman. The Japanese problem is small.

    Do you have offspring?

  131. @Jeff Stryker

    Christianity created the different countries of Europe. It melded together many different European tribes into nations. The Roman Catholic Church did this. However, today the RCC is worthless so a new church is needed for the West.

    Again, you keep blaming everyone else for the West’s problems, but you did not to help the West. You ran away.

  132. @Anonymous

    Over the past 30 years the Chinese have aborted over 400 million fetuses (this is a conservative figure). China is the fastest aging country in the world. They are having problems with their Chinese Muslims so this will require even more repressive measures. Being an authoritarian nation does not give them the flexibility needed to deal quickly with problems creatively like the Japanese. The Chinese are brutes.

    Even though Japan has 1/10 of the Chinese population, the Japanese are more intelligent than the Chinese. They easily defeated the Chinese in many battles. WWII showed this. The day Japan decides to build nuclear weapons, China will be terrified. Right now Japan does not feel the need to do this. The Japanese have the intelligence to quickly build much better nuclear weapons than the ones China has. Except for Japan, Asia is a shithole.

  133. @JosephB

    british with small
    brains long limbs are not ice people chinese are because of big brains and short limbs , but whatever ice or warm weather it comes down to whether a race has the mighty EDAR gene and every HANCHINESE has this exquisite gene

    • Replies: @üeljang
    , @Bliss
  134. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @attilathehen

    So Tilly, how are you fighting for the west?

  135. @attilathehen

    Uhh China is not going to be terrified of japan –

  136. good grief,

    his is not 1931 and japan nukes or not has no intention or possibility of invading China

  137. Anonymous[391] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    South Korea and China are much poorer than the US. South Korea’s GDP per capita is about half that of the US. US GDP per capita is about 8 times China’s. South Korea has the highest rate of elderly poverty among OECD countries, and South Korea has much greater population density than Japan does.

    • Replies: @anon
  138. Anonymous[157] • Disclaimer says:
    @attilathehen

    It doesn’t matter how many abortions they’ve had or how they’re aging. China’s population is still 10 times the population of Japan, and China’s population is still growing in absolute terms, while Japan’s population has actually started falling in absolute numbers.

    Being an illiberal authoritarian state is precisely what gives the Chinese government the flexibility to deal with problems with Muslims or demographics.

    China has many more nuclear weapons and many more people. Moreover, Japan is on a major fault line and is a major earthquake zone, and thus nuclear strikes on Japan can trigger earthquakes and tsunamis, making the fallout of a nuclear exchange much more deadly for Japan.

  139. Hail says: • Website
    @anonymous

    Jomon (or rather, Paleolithic-Jomon) colonization is thought to have begun closer to 25,000-40,000 years ago

    The 900 BC date meant to refer to the archaeological evidence for ‘Korean’ expansion into ‘Japan’ associated with greatly rising populations.

    There should be no doubt of free movement of the archaic, Ainu-like pre-Mongoloid peoples of East Asia for tens of millennia, when I believe Japan was often connected to the mainland by a land-bridge (?). You are right; I don’t see how that can be reasonably disputed; the question at hand is, though, where do today’s Japanese descend from?

    After 1500 BCE, the climate cooled [in Japan], and populations seem to have contracted dramatically. Comparatively few archaeological sites can be found after 1500 BCE.

    During the Final Jōmon period, a slow shift was taking place in western Japan: steadily increasing contact with the Korean Peninsula eventually led to the establishment of Korean-type settlements in western Kyushu, beginning around 900 BCE. The settlers brought with them new technologies such as wet rice farming and bronze and iron metallurgy, as well as new pottery styles similar to those of the Mumun pottery period

    There is no simple narrative to cleanly explain it all and I would be skeptical of those who try to do so.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  140. Truth says:
    @jilles dykstra

    As Hödl writes, ‘the simplest rabbi was in higher esteem than the richest Rothschild’.

    And you actually believe this?

  141. @attilathehen

    Whenever I see one of your posts, I think “maybe this is it, the post where attila doesn’t mention anything at all about Asians.” I had high hopes for this one, especially since the post you were replying to was about Argentina, and there was no mention whatsoever of anyone or anything Asian.

    Please, seek help.

    • Replies: @Douglas MacDougal
    , @Truth
  142. There are some misconceptions concerning Chile.

    The first is that it is somehow a first-world country.

    Ahem. To be brief, it isn’t. The toilets often don’t work, most people are poor, and there are cardboard shanty towns…not first world. I imagine it looks pretty first world by comparison to Peru and Bolivia, and of course people want be polite, but no…it’s not first world. Mighty nice…but not first world.

    The second misconception is that it is ‘white.’ Again, perhaps by comparison to Bolivia and Peru, but…not really. Kind of white as in Mexico is white. Well, maybe a little whiter than that, but…

    In brief, Iceland it ain’t. Great wine, great trout fishing, and all kinds of interesting stuff — but not your basic white, affluent paradise.

    • Replies: @myself
  143. @Hapalong Cassidy

    She wants to seek help but she can’t find a doc who isn’t Asian or married to an Asian. So she self medicates with model airplane glue.

    This is her evening reminder that Japan is utterly fucked due to its defective infertile women and that growth in the immigrant population is exceeding growth in the native Japanese population by 1997% annually in the under-30 cohort.

  144. @Rich

    ‘…Christianity, in and of itself, isn’t a bad thing for any race. A religion that teaches people to be sober, honest and monogamous is good for a society…’

    ? Christians can get at the sauce.

    • Replies: @Rich
  145. anon[153] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    South Korea’s nominal GDP is at $30k, which is not that far off from Japan’s $38k.
    On a Purchase Power Parity (PPP) basis, they are even closer, Japan at $42k and SKorea at $39k.
    Their population density is not that far off either, SKorea at 515 per km sq, Japan at 335. Much of Japan is uninhabitable.

    China’s coastal areas are far richer than their per capita GDP indicates. It’s also their upper middle class and rich who emigrate, not the poor seeking better opportunities.

    Compare this to Europe at its height of emigration to the New World, it was mostly the poor who left in search of better opportunity. Now it’s the reverse. The richest from the 3rd world are the ones leaving for greener pastures, with their ill gotten gains, this brain drain and capital flight is one major reason why 3rd world countries remain poor.

  146. Truth says:
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    She mentions blacks/Jews/Asians/Muslims together in every post. What’s the problem?

    • Replies: @DB Cooper
  147. Anonymous[628] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon 2

    China originated in the area of Beijing and the Yellow River valley. It expanded southwards and colonized the Yangtze River area relatively recently. There is a sharp climatic difference between northern and central China. A mountain barrier shelters the Yangtze Valley from the Siberian winds that pour across the Yellow River valley from the Mongolian plateau in the winter.

    London is at a higher latitude than Beijing, but it has a milder climate than Beijing. Beijing gets a lot colder in the winter. London, along with most of western Europe, has an Oceanic climate as a result of the Gulf Stream. Oceanic climates are characterized by mild summers and mild winters, with less variation between summer and winter temperatures and fewer extremes of temperature.

    Beijing and northern China and northeast Asia have a Continental climate, which is characterized by large variation in temperature between seasons with hot summers and cold winters. This is due to the Siberian winds during the winter. The northern part of the US, Canada, and eastern Europe have a Continental climate.

  148. Rich says:
    @Colin Wright

    Yes, of course, most Christian sects allow their members to enjoy a drink (although there are sects that prohibit alcohol), but moderation is encouraged within the Christian community, and drunkenness condemned. If alcohol had been completely prohibited, the Irish would still be dancing at midnight with the Druids and all those old books those Irish monks saved would have been lost. Alcohol is probably the primary reason the Irish will never be Mormons or Muslims.

  149. DB Cooper says:
    @Truth

    “She mentions blacks/Jews/Asians/Muslims together in every post. What’s the problem?”

    The group that fits this description is Indian. Another giveaway is she is obsessed of hating Chinese but likes Japanese. I also remember in one of her post she praises Indian because they are Aryan. Indian doesn’t particularly dislike Jews. I think she put it in to throw people off. She is an Indian.

    • Replies: @DB Cooper
    , @denk
    , @attilathehen
  150. DB Cooper says:
    @DB Cooper

    One more thing. She also disses Indians, the dark ones. That’s also in line with the mindset of lighter skin Indian. She is a lighter skin Indian.

  151. denk says:
    @Anon 2

    The CCP use electronic surveillance to protect its citizens from social miscreants, including CIA./MI6 agent provocateurs.
    Washington use its world wide surveillance tool to spy on friends and foes, to foment unrest, to blackmail un-compliant leaders.

    Every country has an army, but nobody abuse it to rape the world like fukus,

    The jp create robots for life saving, the murkans robots are made for, what else…… killing.

    With U.S. robotic advancements, all I see is destruction, killing and a supreme hatred of life. Call me naive — please — but I gladly choose the reverence for life displayed by Japan’s robotics industry over what its U.S. counterpart shows

    http://web.archive.org/web/20090409102238/http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/rc20090405a8.html

    moral of the story….
    its the people, not the tool , stupid.

  152. anonymous[916] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hail

    The 900 BC date meant to refer to the archaeological evidence for ‘Korean’ expansion into ‘Japan’ associated with greatly rising populations.

    But these weren’t the Jomon; this was the start of the Yayoi migration where ancient Chinese and Koreans migrated to western Japan in very large numbers. The Jomon (Y-haplo D) were the native inhabitants whose ancestors resided in the Japanese archipelago for 10s of thousands of years.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_D-M55

    the question at hand is, though, where do today’s Japanese descend from?

    Yayoi period immigrants + Jomon native inhabitants. This is the consistent finding of anthropological and genetic studies. So far, rough estimates (based on GWAS, although this is not easy) of the respective autosomal contribution of Yayoi and Jomon have had on modern Japanese is generally around 75-80% Yayoi, and 20-25% Jomon. Jomon ancestry is higher on the paternal line, and higher in the north and east of Japan (and in Okinawa), and lower in the southwest and on the maternal line.

    If you are interested, there are plenty of other fascinating studies on the topic of Japan/East Asia genetics. Here is another example:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3524296/

    This review addresses the distribution of genetic markers of immunoglobulin G (Gm) among 130 Mongoloid populations in the world. These markers allowed the populations to be clearly divided into 2 groups, the northern and southern groups. The northern group is characterized by high frequencies of 2 marker genes, ag and ab3st, and an extremely low frequency of the marker gene afb1b3; and the southern group, in contrast, is indicated by a remarkably high frequency of afb1b3 and low frequencies of ag and ab3st. Based on the geographical distribution of the markers and gene flow of Gm ag and ab3st (northern Mongoloid marker genes) from northeast Asia to the Japanese archipelago, the Japanese population belongs basically to the northern Mongoloid group and is thus suggested to have originated in northeast Asia, most likely in the Baikal area of Siberia.

  153. denk says:
    @DB Cooper

    good thinking.
    You beat me to it, this white bitch sounds more and more phony and surreal by the day.

    ditto that anon2

    I’ve uncovered lots of Indians posting as anon or whiteys to instigate flame war in my long career as B.S. busters

    • Replies: @DB Cooper
  154. DB Cooper says:
    @denk

    I have seen your post here and there for many years. You sure are a B.S busters, and don’t mince words either.

  155. Anon[414] • Disclaimer says:

    The number of Boers in Russia will rival the number of Jews in the Jewish Oblast. Someone in Russia is sore about their 100bn USD nuclear deal being repudiated.

    Back in the real world: Lumping Ramaphosa and Malema together isn’t really accurate. Malema seems to have acquired the dangerous African disease that afflicted Idi Amin (not being figurative-there seems to be some kind of savage malady that sometimes afflicts the African male brain). Malema’s ties to white cigarette smugglers are hurting him badly.

    Ramaphosa is more of an empty shirt, a non-Machiavellian who panicked and jumped on the land expropriation bandwagon because he felt threatened by Malema and Zuma. He wasn’t cut-out for politics in 1994, when Thabo Mbeki shafted him, and he isn’t cut out for it today. Expect a Zulu separatist challenge orchestrated by Zuma to severely weaken him in the next few months.

    South Africa has sadly introduced campaign finance legislation for the first time, heading into the 2019 election, which is bad timing. Black SA opposition parties are anti-immigration, as is most of the population. The optics would be a lot better if a black government pushed for reform of the UN refugee conventions.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  156. @anon

    How are poor whites in the US interior where white poverty is worst victims of Jewish dishonesty and prejudice?

    Why are these same Jews going after the German-Americans in Queens (As you remember Trump’s father told Jewish renters he was “Swedish”) or even the Palestinian-Americans in NYC or the Iranian Muslims in Los Angeles? Why is the focus of Jewish prejudice the poor rural white with his Wrangler Jeans clad ass on the primary economies in the US interior or South (One could argue that Jews are trying to keep control over raw minerals and resources at minimum).

    So Jewish doctors are behind the Opoid Crisis? I suppose that they were cooking up the meth in trailers during the last drug epidemic that swept through white rural America?

    Its true that Protestant countries settled by Englishman under the British systems of law turned out a great deal better than Spanish or Italian colonies. However, the actual Protestants of British extraction IN the US seem to have fared worse. Why Anglo-Saxons in Australia or Canada or NZ have done better is debatable.

  157. üeljang says:
    @britishbrainsize1325cclol

    Oh, yes, the mighty EDAR gene that everyone must love. After all, who would not be fond of a gene that gives you spiky hair, f*cks up your tooth enamel and makes your teeth grow unevenly, and (if you’re a girl) causes you to have small tits?

  158. vinteuil says:
    @attilathehen

    The welfare state in the West only works for Westerners, i.e., people who are not black/Asian/Jewish/Muslim.

    It all depends on what you mean by “works.”

    From an evolutionary perspective, what “works” is whatever increases the representation of your genes in future generations.

    From that perspective, the welfare state in the West works very well indeed for the parasites.

  159. Anonymous[373] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    there seems to be some kind of savage malady that sometimes afflicts the African male brain

    Malema’s mother died of a seizure. Wouldn’t be surprising that anti-epileptic medications -if his mother took them-fried his brain prenatally, or that he inherited the disease. There is certainly more than a whiff of charismatic madness about him.

  160. myself says:
    @Colin Wright

    — but not your basic white, affluent paradise.

    Just want to point out the very obvious, that you probably already agree with . . .

    The VAST MAJORITY of white countries are most definitely NOT affluent paradises, not compared to even 15 years ago, never mind 20 years ago!

    There’s an affluent group, often portrayed in ads and media, who are doing great. The rest of the whites – well, it’s “complicated”.

  161. @myself

    ‘The VAST MAJORITY of white countries are most definitely NOT affluent paradises, not compared to even 15 years ago, never mind 20 years ago!’

    Yes, but…

    Chile is, shall we say, a cut below, nor is it, as I also mentioned, particularly white.

    In support of the latter, I could link to a lot of pictures I took, without any particular concern for the ethnicity of the subjects. There’s a decidedly Amerindian tilt to the ethnic mix — not as pronounced as say, in Mexico, but there. Europe, this isn’t.

    As to poverty, well, there were laborers sleeping on the street. Not deranged vagrants, but ordinary laborers. Then there were the places belonging to the various people we stayed with. One had a ‘shower’ that consisted of a heating element hooked up to a light bulb. The impulse was commendable — the solution, a pathetic dribble. Another used ordinary dirt rather than kitty litter to meet their cat’s needs. The third were a working couple, one of whom was a policeman. They actually rated what would be drab apartment in the real First World.

    First World and White, Chile ain’t. Mighty fine, sure — but not First World.

  162. @myself

    Compared to 20 years ago

    You’re absolute right. I don’t know why, but people in the 1990′s were far better off than now. Especially the United States.

    It seemed as if people were much more prosperous in the nineties in the Clinton era. For some reason.

    Much is made about how Democrats and liberals will bankrupt a country and I have no data to refute this but it has to be said that the standard of living decreased when Bush came into office.

    To a guy who left the United States in 1999, many of the things that seem normal now were unheard of in the Clinton era. Grown men living at home. The infrastructure as bad as it is. Homeless families.

  163. denk says:
    @denk

    Not OT, just connecting the dots…..

    Since SEA, SCS are under 24×7 electronic surveillance by the 5eyes, it begs the question…

    Is it conceivable that fukus had no info on the ‘disappearance’ of mh370 ?

  164. Bliss says:
    @Douglas MacDougal

    These bodies belonged to the wealthiest tombs ever found of Genghis Khan’s Borjigin clan

    The bodies were all mongoloid in appearance , not caucasoid.

    he DID see the Borjigin clan relatives of Genghis Khan who WERE described as tall, blue eyed, golden-reddish haired.

    How come no one else noticed that striking dichotomy between the short, black haired, small eyed, sparsely bearded mongoloid mongols and their “tall, blue eyed, golden-reddish haired” caucasoid leaders? Who could miss noticing such a strange sight?

    Hahaha, 100% wrong.

    You mean you saw those portraits of the Mongol Khans as 100% caucasoid? Lol.

    None of the portraits of Genghis Khan and his descendants look even vaguely caucasoid:

    • Replies: @Bliss
    , @Douglas MacDougal
  165. @üeljang

    you clearly dont know what The EDAR gene does for the body, nothimg wrong with spiky hair just grow it out or if shortrt then shave the sides, never heard of the bad enamel thing and crooked teeth chinese women have straight teeth and 100% of the han have this gene, any how iwas not speaking about the superficial stuff that the gene does on the body, but how the gene improves the immune system of the body so maybe if you had more info on this gene you might show more respect to this remarkable gene too bad 75% of japanese and koreans have this gene vs 100% of han and pure native americans

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  166. Anonymous[234] • Disclaimer says:
    @üeljang

    Gimhae has colder winters than London or Paris, despite the big difference in latitude.

    Beijing, Seoul and the Seoul metro area, where about half of South Korea’s population lives, have colder winters than London, Paris, Berlin, Amsterdam, Copenhagen, Brussels, and Reykjavik.

    Beijing has colder winters than Stockholm, and is about as cold as Oslo in the winter. Seoul is about as cold as Stockholm in the winter.

    Pyongyang, the capital of North Korea, has colder winters than Stockholm, Oslo, and Helsinki.

    Then there are places in northeastern China like Shenyang, Changchun, and Harbin that have a lot more people and much colder winters than anywhere in Scandinavia.

    It actually makes more sense to call northern Asians “Ice People” than it does to call Europeans that since northeastern Asia’s winters are colder and its winter climate is shaped by the air from the frozen plains of Siberia. It would make more sense to call Europeans “Oceanic People” or “Maritime People” since Europe has an Oceanic or Maritime climate with relatively mild winters due to warm ocean currents. Also because of the importance of the Mediterranean and seafaring and maritime exploration and expansion in European history.

    • Replies: @denk
  167. Bliss says:
    @Bliss

    The younger full brother of Genghis Khan, Hachiun:

    • Replies: @anonymous
  168. Talha says:
    @Douglas MacDougal

    A disproportionate amount of Japanese citizens are old and the problem is getting “worse” each year.

    This is true and leading to some very heartbreaking results…Japans prisons are becoming assisted living facilities:
    “Japan’s Prisons Are a Haven for Elderly Women
    Lonely seniors are shoplifting in search of the community and stability of jail.”

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-03-16/japan-s-prisons-are-a-haven-for-elderly-women

    Peace.

  169. @britishbraisize1325cclol

    Over time, I’ve come to appreciate your bizarre trolling. Its easily one of the weirdest.

  170. anonymous[102] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bliss

    No one knows exactly what Genghis looked like, but its possible that he, like many Mongolians to this day, had some Caucasoid features. Its exceedingly unlikely that he was completely Caucasoid – that’s not true entirely from that one source known for embellishing – but its also far from impossible that he had red hair.

    Mongolians sometimes have red hair to this day, and Caucasoid genes show up between 12-20% IIRC in Mongolians genetic pool. Its complex and suggests an ancient relic population, e.g. the Hmong do not seem to have any Western European genes but still can produce caucasoid features like blonde hair:

    • Replies: @Bliss
  171. @DB Cooper

    You functional illiterate, I am not an Indian.

    What I have consisted is that I am a Western Caucasian Christian woman who is only for the West. In order to save the West, we must first define what it is not. The West is not black/Asian/Jewish/Muslim.

    I have stated that the Japanese are the only intelligent Asians. With that said, that doesn’t mean I want them in the West. The Chinese are inferior to the Japanese.

    As to the Indians, I have stated that the ancient Indians were Aryans, but their intelligence was destroyed by mixing with Asians. Present day India is a genetic wasteland. This is the lesson the West must learn. The ancient Indian Aryans were destroyed by mixing with Asians and the ancient Caucasian Egyptians were destroyed by mixing with blacks.

    Present day Jews are not related to the Jews of the Old Testament or the Jews of Jesus’ time. I support Israel because that is where the “Jews” must live. Israel today announced that Israel is only Jewish.

    When will the West announce that it is only for Caucasians/Europeans and define what it is not?

    • Replies: @denk
    , @Jeff Stryker
  172. Bliss says:
    @britishbrainsize1325cclol

    british with small brains long limbs are not ice people chinese are because of big brains and short limbs

    That cracked me up. You hear that Derbyshire? Lol

    It is true. The Brits and the Japanese are both Sun People:

    The biggest brained humans (and therefore the highest IQed?) are the mongoloid tribes of Siberia in the far North and Tierra del Fuego in the Far South. The Ice People of the South suffered as badly if not worse than their northern cousins:

    https://www.chimuadventures.com/blog/2016/10/tierra-del-fuego-selknam-tribe/

    Captured natives, who despite their physical prowess were no match for the armed invaders, were held in deplorable conditions and carted off to Europe for tours of the so-called Human Zoos. A great majority never even survived the trip and, once there, only a handful were ever returned to their homeland.

  173. Bliss says:
    @anonymous

    No one knows exactly what Genghis looked like, but its possible that he, like many Mongolians to this day, had some Caucasoid features.

    What caucasoid features do you see in his brother, his son, his grandson?

  174. denk says:
    @Anonymous

    I bet most murkkan ignoramus never even heard about the
    Harbin ice sculpture festival….

    • Replies: @myself
  175. denk says:
    @attilathehen

    Im not Indian

    whatever.

    Their [Chinese] male to female ratio is completely out of whack. More good news as this brings a great deal of destabilization to China along with it being the fastest aging country in the world.

    What a nasty bitch !

    • Replies: @Biff
  176. Thirdeye says:
    @JosephB

    Amerindians must be “ice people” because they evolved in eastern Siberia.

    Japanese are an admixture of Austronesian through the Ryukyu archipelago, eastern Siberian from the Altai region, and Mongoloid. The dumb, sunny Austronesians are the ones who introduced maritime skills to the smart, icy eastern Siberians and Mongoloids. And nobody, nobody in the pre-industrial era surpassed the maritime skills of the dumb, sunny Polynesians.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  177. Thirdeye says:

    Argentina’s economy got creamed when it became an early laboratory for the neoliberal economic project. Its middle class got wiped out during the currency collapse of the early 1980s after their economic captains acquired massive amounts of debt for no real value-added benefit.

  178. Thirdeye says:

    The ethnic Japanese who migrated back from Brazil during the second half of the Twentieth Century have remained a culturally distinct, economically marginal group. In Brazil they had Japanese characteristics – social cohesiveness and collective husbanding of the limited resources they were allowed by the Brazilian upper classes. In Japan they have Brazilian characteristics. But they sure make cute samba dancers.

    • Replies: @pyrrhus
  179. @Bliss

    The bodies were all mongoloid in appearance , not caucasoid

    If you read the paper, you will see that it is stated that their Mongoloid features were inherited from their maternal DNA; i.e. from Caucasoid males intermarrying with Mongoloid females from other Mongol clans or with Chinese women.

    How come no one else noticed that striking dichotomy between the short, black haired, small eyed, sparsely bearded mongoloid mongols and their “tall, blue eyed, golden-reddish haired” caucasoid leaders? Who could miss noticing such a strange sight?

    This is wrong. Several Turks (Yenisei Kyrgyz, Cumans, etc) as well as supposedly Turkish speaking tribes (Xiongnu) are described as blond and red haired, Caucasoid.

    Most Turkic groups today (Nogai and Crimean Tatars, Kyrgyz, etc) are maternally East Eurasian but their Paternal Y-DNA belongs to West Eurasian Y-chromosome haplogroups.

    You mean you saw those portraits of the Mongol Khans as 100% caucasoid? Lol

    .

    What an idiot. I told you they were descendants of Genghis Khan (Caucasoid) mixing with Mongoloid women, which is exactly what the paper said.

    None of the portraits of Genghis Khan and his descendants look even vaguely caucasoid

    That is not a portrait or Genghis Khan as the paper I quoted showed you and his sons are indeed part Caucasoid.

  180. @Bliss

    Stop spamming these stupid pictures to make up for your lack of an argument and appeal to emotion, All but the last one have no historical merit at all, as you have been shown. They all look like half Asians especially the last one who has clear hypermorphic Europoid features in the midface, maxilla and mandible, and also the interorbital-midfacial index rati, low-vaulted, dolicocephalic skull with cylindrical coronal profile, his grandfather would look like these gerontomorphic individuals:

    Scottish man from Lewis Island

    Swedish man


    You can see the obvious resemblence but since you’re a mentally handicapped prole with zero anthropological knowledge it won’t compute with your defective brain. By definition ALL Mongols and central Asians are part Caucasoid and have Caucasoid features, but you would be none the wiser to spot them.

    • Replies: @Bliss
  181. @attilathehen

    HEN

    The ancient Indians were Dravidian. Go to South India and you will see nobody that looks like an “Aryan”.

    The Aryans arrived in the Indus Valley from who knows where-some people say Iran, though high-cast Brahmin have the same blood grouping as Slavs. Others believe they originated in the Caspian Sea or Russia. A few believe it could have been as far Northwest as Ukraine.

    They were males, seemingly, and within a relatively short period of time they had intermixed with the Dravidian.

  182. *resemblance

    ^ Forgot to add, the detached earlobes, a decidedly non-Mongoloid characteristic that most part Asians will have as the Mongoloid condition (attached earlobes) is an autosomal recessive trait.

  183. @Bliss

    P.s. this is the ORIGINAL (but still useless) non-portrait of Genghis Khan’s son Ogedai Khan, the one you posted was photoshopped by shrimp-dicked haters like you, to make him look more East Asian, trying to erase the Caucasoid heritage of the old Mongol empire.


    The portrait itself is worthless but whoever painted it apparently decided to give him red hair and blue eyes, and less Asian features than your photoshopped copypasta.

    The fact that you posted the fake one just goes to show that you are a charlatan who’s only purpose here is to spread misinformation and confusion.

    • Replies: @Bliss
  184. anonymous[592] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thirdeye

    And nobody, nobody in the pre-industrial era surpassed the maritime skills of the dumb, sunny Polynesians.

    Yeah, the ice/sun dichotomy is silly and simplistic. Many “sun” groups have had their own moments throughout history. Mediterranean cultures, Mesoamerican, South/Southeast/West Asia, etc… Although, if someone wants to surround themselves with Eskimos, they’re certainly free to do so.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  185. Bliss says:
    @Douglas MacDougal

    Scottish man from Lewis Island

    https://i.imgur.com/zHMDo80.jpg?1

    Lol. You are really reaching. You look foolish and desperate for picking these retarded looking outliers for your euro samples, trying to pass them off as Khan look alikes. Fail.

    Scots and Swedes look absolutely nothing like these mongol khan portraits. No one who looks like those khans could pass for a half-European much less a full one. The slit eyes, the soft low noses, the high cheekbones, the sparse beards, the yellowish skin these are mongoloid traits.

    Forgot to add, the detached earlobes, a decidedly non-Mongoloid characteristic that most part Asians will have as the Mongoloid condition (attached earlobes) is an autosomal recessive trait.

    Since plenty mongoloids have such ears it can’t be a “decidedly non-Mongoloid characteristic”.

    These Mongol Khans had very large ears, not as big as Buddha ears but of a similar shape. I guess that means they were of Indian origin based on your retarded reasoning, since:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20447883

    Ethnically Indian volunteers had the largest ears (both length and width),

    Check out the indian Buddha’s ears and compare:

  186. Bliss says:
    @Douglas MacDougal

    this is the ORIGINA….the one you posted was photoshopped by shrimp-dicked haters like you, to make him look more East Asian, trying to erase the Caucasoid heritage of the old Mongol empire.

    Shrimp-dicked? That’s funny coming from a non-african nerd.

    It should be obvious to anyone not as stupid as you which one is the original and which one the nordicist hoax. None of the other portraits of this same family show blue eyes or red hair. The dead give away is the absence of the calligraphy in the background:

    • Replies: @Douglas MacDougal
  187. @anonymous

    Vikings had colonies in North America by the 10th century and populated Iceland. That is about as advanced as seafaring got.

  188. Biff says:
    @denk

    What a nasty bitch !

    You’re obviously behind the times, but at least you’re catching up.

    • Replies: @denk
  189. @Bliss

    They were from Mongolia and some theorize they may have originated in Western China.

    That is such a load of garbage.

    They left some genetic imprint in Eastern Europeans (Like Charles Bronson) especially in Hungary. But they were stopped at the gates of Vienna.

    The only true whites are Northwest Europeans. The Mediterranean basin is half Arab from Malta to Andalusia. Southeast Europe is a genetic casserole of Turkic, Mongol, Tartar.

    Not that I am into any of that purity garbage, I’m simply stating that Scots have nothing to do with Mongolians.

    • Replies: @Douglas MacDougal
  190. myself says:
    @denk

    Harbin ice sculpture festival

    I’ve heard of that!

    But I’ve yet to go . . .

    • Replies: @denk
  191. pyrrhus says:
    @WorkingClass

    Actually, hot weather may make people a little slower (one experiment doesn’t prove this), but Sun people are dumber for evolutionary genetic reasons, as has been known for a very long time. Cold climates pose a lot of problems, which evidently cause evolution toward smarter people.

  192. pyrrhus says:
    @Thirdeye

    No, the ethnic Japanese came as agricultural workers in the first part of the century, bringing jiu jitsu and higher intelligence with them….They make up a totally disproportionate part of University students, 20-30%…

  193. denk says:
    @Biff


    A Gleam of Light in Asia

    West’s best news for years in Asia

    Vengeance with a Smile”

    there is now ‘hope where only two weeks ago there was despair

    The new army regime is “scrupulously constitutional

    A quietly determined” leader with his “almost innocent face

    • Replies: @denk
  194. denk says:
    @myself

    fitting addition to an ice thread,

    more ice fun….

  195. @Bliss

    LOL, what a dummy cuck.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogedei_Khan

    A portrait of Ögedei produced during the Yuan dynasty. Original size is 47 cm wide and 59.4 cm high. Paint and ink on silk. Now located in the National Palace Museum, Taipei, Taiwan

    .

    Ogedai Khan had red hair and blue eyes just like his father. Just face it chump Genghis Khan was a Nordic man.

    • Replies: @Bliss
  196. @Jeff Stryker

    Mongolians, atruks and Huns were white, Stryker. So were Kyrgyz, Cumans, Kipchaks, etc.

    These people were often lighter pigmented than the European populations they interacted with. The Ottoman dynasty was founded by men belonging to Y-DNA haplogroup R1a, which in Turks comes from Scythians. Earliest Ottoman emporers are described as tall, blond or red haired and blue eyed.

    Southeastern Europeans were ALWAYS darker and less White looking than central Asians. Central Asia is where the Nordic phenotype came from anyway.

    http://www.theottomans.org/english/family/orhan.asp

    Orhan Gazi

    Orhan Gazi was born in 1281. His father was Osman Gazi and his mother was Mal Sultana, the daughter of Omer, who was a respected person in the Kayi Clan. Orhan Gazi was tall, had a blonde beard and blue eyes

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Jeff Stryker
    , @Bliss
  197. @Bliss

    ol. You are really reaching. You look foolish and desperate for picking these retarded looking outliers for your euro samples, trying to pass them off as Khan look alikes. Fail

    I didn’t cherry pick anything, little girl. There is nothing retarded looking about them they are hypermorphic Europoids and representative of the original Indo European men who buttfuckd your black-skinned Cheddar Nig-looking cavewoman ancestors.

    Scots and Swedes look absolutely nothing like these mongol khan portraits. No one who looks like those khans could pass for a half-European much less a full one. The slit eyes, the soft low noses, the high cheekbones, the sparse beards, the yellowish skin these are mongoloid traits.

    Wrong. And they were half Mongoloid you dunce, Kublai Khan would have been approximately 3/4th Mongoloid. Read the paper, Gebghis Khan’s sons were half and 3/4ths Mongoloid because he mixed with Mongoloid women after invading China. The portraits of his sons look like half asians and quarter Caucasoids. The man Genghis himself was full Caucasoid.

    Read it and weep:

    Persian historian Rashid-al-Din reported in his “Jami’s al-tawarikh” written at the start of the 14th century that most Borjigin ancestors of Genghis Khan were tall, long-bearded, red-haired, and bluish green-eyed, suggesting that the Genghis Khan’s male lineage had some Caucasoid-specific genetic features [44]. He also said that Genghis Khan looked just like his ancestors, but Kublai Khan, his grandson, did not inherit his ancestor’s red hair, implying that the addition of Mongoloid-specific alleles for determining hair color to the genetic makeup of Genghis Khan’s Borjigin clan was PROBABLY FROM THE GRANDMOTHER OR MOTHER OF KUBLAI KHAN, THAT IS, THE WIFE OR DAUGHTER IN LAW OF GENGHIS KHAN.

    http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0161622

    Also the cheekbones of Kublai Khan are the same exact shape size and placement of the Lewis Island man I posted above. The “sparse beards” are not sparse it’s a drawing, the pattern of the facial hair is 100% European, especially their mustache development.

    The Buddha ear you posted are inhumanly large because they have been deformed by ear lobe gauges.

    Like this:

    The detached earlobes of Kublai Khan are evidence of his Caucasian parentage.

    • Replies: @Bliss
  198. Talha says:
    @Douglas MacDougal

    Most of the Ottoman queen-mothers were White; either directly European or people like Circassians, Abkhazians, etc.

    Someone compiled a nice list:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mothers_of_the_Ottoman_sultans

    Safavids also looked fairly Euro (definitely at the start of the dynasty):

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Douglas MacDougal
  199. bore wore says:

    So true. In the 1960s my Sydney Irish Catholic school was invaded by Sicilians who couldn’t speak english. Took over our churches (without paying for anything, parasites), had to have Italian priests to bless their pagan idols because the Irish priests refused. Then they took over the local drug trade in the 70s. First we discovered marijuana which grew wild in remote valleys, said to have been brought by Americans during the war to produce hemp for tents or something. Then mysteriously drug dealers started handing out free heroin to get us hooked and the smack era began, which is still current. We had been globalised.

    They had to corrupt the local police who used to protect us from foreign crooks. In our smacked out daze we allowed Asians to buy up land, an Asian invasion. Wait, they’re ‘Ice People’? Haven’t you guys heard of the Yellow Peril? Australia’s White Australia ‘policy’ which was never written down was a response to the Chinese invasion during the gold rush. The most alien and weird people we’d ever seen were the Chinese, who were like an ant colony, all working together for their emperor. You want to know what it’s like to be under Chinese domination, visit parts of Sydney where there is no free speech and the Borg rule.

    • Replies: @denk
  200. Does Matthew Polly discuss cannabis as a possible cause of Bruce Lee’s death?

    A TV documentary possibly 20 years ago claimed that Bruce Lee had died of cannabis poisoning, exacerbated by his exceptionally low amount of body fat (in which THC is soluble). The story went that Lee’s doctor had warned him about this unusual personal risk. The cause of death was hushed up because it was embarrassing, and he was famous.

  201. Semeria tells how, during the Depression of the 1930s, European immigration into Argentina tailed off, replaced by immigration of Amerindians and Mestizos from further north. A series of really bad governments completed the work of destruction.

    By the 1980s the quip among economists was that Argentina was a formerly-developed nation. Today it’s another Brazil, a small white elite living behind high walls while brown and black narco gangs rule the slums.

    Depressing stuff. People often suggest that it is not possible to sustain both open borders and a generous welfare system. The suggestion is not pessimistic enough: in fact it is impossible to sustain both open borders and a thriving economy.

  202. Anonym says:
    @attilathehen

    Maybe so. Most of Japan’s culture is a Chinese import. Building tech, written language, religion, much of the food, and that’s off the top of my head.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tofu

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  203. Bliss says:
    @Douglas MacDougal

    the original Indo European men who buttfuckd your black-skinned Cheddar Nig-looking cavewoman ancestors.

    shrimp-dicked haters like you, to make him look more East Asian, trying to erase the Caucasoid heritage of the old Mongol empire.

    Very classy. Better be careful you lowlife. Read the news lately? Hate filled racist trash like you are getting fired from their jobs, even getting kicked out of their own companies, on what seems like a daily basis, because of having posted offensive racist comments on the internet.

    Since you were trashing East Asians for claiming that the Mongols were mongoloid (by definition even!) I will let one of them respond to your laughably idiotic claims:

    https://goldenhordes.wordpress.com/2013/10/09/debunking-a-white-myth-genghis-khan-had-red-hair/

    Now, I know a lot of “mainstream historians” have been perpetuating the Nordicist White Supremacist myth that the Great Khan Temujin was a White Nordic man with red hair. This is ridiculous on many levels, but on White Nationalist websites such as Stormfront and VNN, you will regularly hear this nonsense being spouted by Euroclowns.

    Now the Euroclowns have yet to explain why a Yuan Dynasty portrait of Genghis, portrayes him as a Asian man with black hair and stereotypically “Asian” features. I mean, the guy is more stereotypical than me for God’s sake! And who established the Yuan Dynasty? Not Whites with an agenda, but……Genghis f***ing Khan himself. All of Genghis’ sons were portrayed as stereotypical Asians by the same Yuan Dynasty, and the grandsons of Genghis, who oversaw the paintings, were also portrayed as very “Asian-looking” folks.

    Now, with NO “evidence” left to back their “Genghis was White” claim, the European dimwits started plain making sh*t up, as they did with a lot of history. They pointed to Rashid Al-Din’s claim that the Borjigin tribe; which Genghis is a member of, originated when a female Mongolian met a “glittering” male red-haired, green-eyed White man and started an affair with him; spawning the tribe of Genghis. This means that Genghis’ Y Chromosome would descend from the Y-MRCA of the tribe; the “glittering” Nordic guy.

    WRONG! Genghis Khan’s Y-Chromosome has been identified as C-M217, an East Asian Y-Chromosome. The specific subclade of Genghis is C-M130711(xC3c-M48), which originated around 1,000 years ago, possibly in a great-grandfather of Genghis. C-M217 itself is about 10,000 years old, but the C-M130711(xC3c-M48) subclade of C-M217 is fairly recent. This Y-chromosome has been identified because it has been found mainly concentrated around Genghis’ area in which he spent his life, and this particular subclade was too numerous to have spread out through genetic drift. It had to be spread by a guy going around f***ing multitudes of women non-stop around 1200, and the only person around that time who did such a thing and lived around the originating location of C-M130711(xC3c-M48) is Genghis Khan!

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  204. Anonym says:
    @Echoes of History

    And Jesus said unto thee, “Dost thou even lift?”.

  205. denk says:
    @denk

    What’s that ecstatic rapture all about ?

    The 5lies were celebrating the CIA/MI6 regime change in Indonesia, CIA’s greatest hit of the century.

    The elimination of the 3 million-member PM by its “only possible rival,” the army, and the removal from power of the “genuine folk hero” Sukarno, may virtually be considered a triumph of democracy.

    the savage transformation of Indonesia from a pro-Chinese policy under Sukamo to a defiantly anti-Communist policy under General Suharto………….

    A quietly determined” leader with an”almost innocent face

    Clinton’s ‘our kind of guy’

    Ralph McGehee, who was in that area division, and had documents on his desk, in his custody about that operation. He said that one of the documents concluded that this was a model operation that should be copied elsewhere in the world. Not only did it eliminate the effective communist party (Indonesian communist party), it also eliminated the entire segment of the population that tended to support the communist party – the ethnic Chinese, Indonesian Chinese. And the CIA’s report put the number of dead at 800,000 killed. And that was one covert action. We’re talking about 1 to 3 million people killed in these things.

    The WTS would’ve approved.

  206. @Douglas MacDougal

    If the Huns were white than why do Eastern Europeans like Charles Bronson look vaguely Eurasian compared to the average…Scot?

    What a load of garbage that Genghis and his minions looked like Ewan McGregor?

    That explains the Asiatic features of an ethnic Hungarian compared to a Frenchman.

    Jeez Louise!

    No wonder you accuse street Jews like Ron Jeremy or Amy Winehouse passing a bottle of Jack Daniels in a Bronx tenement or Brooklyn park of running your world.

    As some other middle-class educated white poster remarked, you are sub-Negro IQ possessed “Leatherface” hicks who should be selling body parts from your country gas station.

    My lord, I’d forgotten what real townies and hicks were like.

    • Replies: @Douglas MacDougal
  207. Bliss says:
    @Douglas MacDougal

    According to Wikipedia the other one was painted during the Qing Dynasty. If that is correct, I was wrong. But knowing how deceitful nordicists can be, and knowing the vulnerability of Wikipedia to deliberate attempts at deceit, I am not so sure the English language version can be fully trusted. Still, until proven otherwise I stand corrected.

    Ogedai Khan had red hair and blue eyes just like his father. Just face it chump Genghis Khan was a Nordic man.

    The hair looks brown and the eyes are not blue. And the son of a Nordic man with a mongoloid woman wouldn’t look so uber-mongoloid.

    We have a portrait of Genghis Khan. Hitler would laugh at you for calling him Nordic:

    • Replies: @Douglas MacDougal
  208. @Bliss

    BLISS

    Free speech protects pornography depicting men’s penises in women’s rectums and so on…why can’t it protect this man’s right to an opinion. Words, words, words.

    If you want Political Correctness, why are you on this website?

    Please bear in mind I am married to a Southeast Asian woman who is ethnically Yunnan Chinese and feel offended when these Leatherface-type Chainsaw Massacre white rube animals from their Podunk towns and cities in the hinterlands insult Asian female posters.

    Hen, who is one of those white townie trash females who always has the labia-tight jeans and the pink cowboy boots with nail polish to match and the $20 dollar tanning salon orange skin to contrast with her dyed blonde hair is disgusting to me because I knew her type well as a white prole in Detroit.

    However, firing people for posting opinions on a blog is Totalitarianism. People should have the right to post anonymous opinions.

    This man is an absolute moron whose postulation that the Mongols resembled Ewan Mcrgregor explains why Jews marginalize these folks by dint of possessing an IQ of 115 on average (Is that the average Ashkenazi IQ).

    • Replies: @Bliss
  209. Bliss says:
    @Douglas MacDougal

    Mongolians, atruks and Huns were white, Stryker. So were Kyrgyz, Cumans, Kipchaks, etc.

    Lol. You are such a crazy bullshiiter.

    Earliest Ottoman emporers are described as tall, blond or red haired and blue eyed.

    The very first Ottoman Sultan/Emperor:

    http://www.theottomans.org/english/family/osman.asp

    The father of the Ottoman Empire Osman Gazi was born in 1258 in the town of Sogut. His father was Ertugrul Gazi and his mother was Hayme Sultan. Osman Gazi was a tall man with a round face, dark complexion, hazel eyes, and thick eyebrows.

    The Ottoman Sultans of whom we have photographs:

    • Replies: @Douglas Macdougal
  210. Bliss says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Free speech protects pornography depicting men’s penises in women’s rectums and so on…why can’t it protect this man’s right to an opinion. Words, words, words.

    If you want Political Correctness, why are you on this website?

    If you want to read word porn, there are sites for that. This is not it.

    Political correctness can be carried too far, but up to a point it is a necessary corrective to the likes of McDougal here.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  211. @Bliss

    BLISS

    His opinion is just that, an opinion. Uninformed, ignorant, ludicrous in fact.

  212. denk says:
    @bore wore

    The most alien and weird people we’d ever seen were the Chinese, who were like an ant colony, all working together for their emperor. You want to know what it’s like to be under Chinese domination, visit parts of Sydney where there is no free speech and the Borg rule.

    Get your pals CIA/MI6, they know how to deal with pesky chicoms, many time over.

  213. @Anonym

    I know this. But these originally Chinese people evolved to a higher level and are now Japanese. Today’s Chinese and Japanese hate each other. Japan hates Koreans, Filipinos, all Asians. Of course, they are the most intelligent Asians and have a first world country. The Japanese still are inferior to Caucasians, but I will credit where credit is due. Also, the Japanese aren’t invading the West.

    • Replies: @denk
  214. Anonym says:

    Maybe so. I certainly have great respect for the Japanese, Japanese culture and the like, but don’t underestimate China either.

    Japanese people are a bit different, they have some Ainu in them most likely, and are a somewhat different ethnicity. Phenotypically, there are significantly more of the female body shape that I like, the hourglass figure, both the T & the A together. Among Chinese these types are a lot more rare, or so it seems to me. (Even among Europeans, they aren’t the majority.)

    In any case, yes, there is something about the Japanese. They punch above their weight. One wonders about the outcome of WW2 if they had say, a similar population to the USA and didn’t have China to contend with. I don’t think they are inferior to Europeans. They have areas where they are superior, and I think we have areas where we are superior.

    I would rather realistically assess where my people (North Western Europeans, that’s what I’m a mix of) are at, and try to improve our lot over time. They are my team, with their advantages and disadvantages, like it or not.

  215. denk says:
    @attilathehen

    Chinese and Japanese hate each other

    KENZABURO SUGAI
    [A thinking jp]
    Many Chinese today may hate the Japanese, but they also know that America is doing to them today what America did to Japan before the Pearl Harbor attack. They may hate to openly admit this, but America is slowly trying to put a chokehold on China’s oil supplies by conquering Iraq, Libya, South Sudan and, soon, Iran. America is already stirring up trouble in South China Sea.

    By [embargoes and other economic sanctions], including oil-supply chokeholds, America has consistently been at the forefront of provoking and promoting war. After all these years,

    I wonder what underlying philosophy drives this war-loving culture.’

    Dont blame the Jews or RCC [whatever that means], its WTS like you.

    http://web.archive.org/web/20130103005255/https://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/rc20120101a2.html

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  216. @denk

    No, I’d say this is similar to the Japanese trade war with the United States in the 80′s until their bubble burst in the nineties because of the bank crisis.

    But you’re too young to remember that and your fixation is on US military aggression even though it was the Japanese who invaded and slaughtered so many Chinese in Nanking.

    This is of course a fixative comparative upon Caucasians in general. No matter the history of Japan, you personal obsession is with whites.

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  217. @Talha

    Yet again, somebody comes in here with this nonsense.

    The earlkest Ottoman Suktans were blond and blue eyed Caucasoids and descended from East Asian women. The Turks were formed in central Asia by fhe mass intermixings of Scythian, Alani and Sarmatian men to East Asian women, which is why the predominant haplogroup among Turks is Y-DNA haplogroup R1a.

    The early Turks in central Asia (Kyrgyz, Cumans, Kipchaks) were all predominantly blond haired and blue eyed long before they reached Europe. Their blond hair and Caucasoid features has NOTHING to do with European females, who were LESS blond and Caucasoid than central Asians at this time period.

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    , @Bliss
  218. @Jeff Stryker

    If the Huns were white than why do Eastern Europeans like Charles Bronson look vaguely Eurasian compared to the average…Scot?

    Ancient mixing between men of the Andronovo-Sintashta culture (ancestral to both Eastern Europeans and Huns) and East Asian women, as well as admixture from Finno Ugrians (not Huns or Mongols).

    However, Bronson is not a good example. He is Euroaboriginal looking, not even vaguely Eurasian.

    What a load of garbage that Genghis and his minions looked like Ewan McGregor?

    Take it up with the historical and genetic evidence, the only load of garbage here is your brain.

    That explains the Asiatic features of an ethnic Hungarian compared to a Frenchman

    No it doesn’t, you simple minded prole. Hungarians have no Asiatic features and no more “Asiatic” (you mean Mongoloid) DNA than Frenchmen.

    Stop using that term “Asiatic”, it has no anthropological or racial relevance. People from the Copper Age Botai horse culture in Mongolia were anthromorphologically predom. Caucasoid. Genghis Khan was a Caucasoid of the “Northern European” type and actually shared with Western Europeans DNA. Northern Europeans come from Asia you idiot all Northern Europeans are “Asiatic” by default. They migrated to Europe.

    Blond hair, Nordic features evolved in SIBERIA:

    The derived allele of the KITLG SNP rs12821256 that is associated with – and likely causal for – blond hair in Europeans [4,5] is present in one hunter-gatherer from each of Samara, Motala and Ukraine (I0124, I0014 and I1763), as well as several later individuals with Steppe ancestry. Since the allele is found in populations with EHG but not WHG ancestry, it suggests that its origin is in the Ancient North Eurasian (ANE) population. Consistent with this, we observe that earliest known individual with the derived allele is the [Siberian] ANE individual Afontova Gora 3 which is directly dated to 16130-15749 cal BCE (14710±60 BP, MAMS-27186: a previously unpublished date that we newly report here).

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  219. @Bliss

    >Lol. You are such a crazy bullshiiter

    You just keep setting yourself up for punishment.

    Kipchak portrait in a 12th-century balbal in Luhansk.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumans

    In East Slavic languages and Polish, they are known as the Polovtsy, derived from the Slavic root *polvъ “pale; light yellow; blonde”.[20][21]:43 Polovtsy or Polovec is often said to be derived from the Old East Slavic polovŭ (половъ) “yellow; pale” by the Russians – all meaning “blond”.[21] The old Ukrainian word polovtsy (Пóловці), derived from polovo “straw” – means “blond, pale yellow”. The western Cumans, or Polovtsy, were also called Sorochinetses by the Rus’, – apparently derived from the Turkic sary chechle “yellow-haired”. A similar etymology may have been at work in the name of the Sary people, who also migrated westward ahead of the Qun

    In Germanic languages, the Cumans were called Folban, Vallani or Valwe – all derivations of old Germanic words for “pale”.[4]:106 In the German account by Adam of Bremen, and in Matthaios of Edessa, the Cumans were referred to as the “Blond Ones“.[20]

    The word Kipchak is said to be derived from the Iranian words kip “red; blonde” and cak/chak “Scythian”.[26] This confederation and their living together may have made it difficult for historians to write exclusively about either nation

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yenisei_Kyrgyz

    Culturally and linguistically, the Yenisei Kirghiz were Turkic.

    The Kirghiz were described in Tang Dynasty texts as having primarily Caucasian features

    , with some having East Asian features

    It further mentioned that the name “Xiajiasi”, by which the Kirghiz were then known, was what the Uyghurs called them and had the meaning “yellow head and red face

    In 2009, a genetic study of ancient Siberian cultures, the Andronovo culture, tha Karasuk culture, the Tagar culture and the Tashtyk (Yenisei Kyrgyz) culture, was published in Human Genetics.[2] Six Tashtyk remains of 100–400 AD from Bogratsky region, Abakano-Pérévoz I, Khakassia were surveyed.[2] Extractions of mtDNA from four individuals was determined to belong to the Western Eurasian HV, H, N9a, and T1, while the other carried the East Asian haplogroup C.[2] Extractions of Y-DNA from the remains of one individual was determined to be of Y-chromosome haplogroup Western Eurasian R1a1, which is thought to mark the eastward migration of the early Indo-Europeans.[2] All individuals surveyed were determined to be Caucasoid, and were except for one individual light-eyed and light-haired.[2]

    Haplogroup R1a: modern Kyrgyz OVER 60%!!!!!!!!!

    McGovern has discovered a number of Chinese references to the Hiung-Nu (Xiongnu)and other Turkish-speaking “barbarians” which describe them as hairy, big-nosed, and partially blond. In later times, Genghis Khan was supposed to be red-haired and green-eyed. It is therefore likely that some of the Asiatic Nordic element found in the Jutas and Tiszadersz cemeteries was incorporated by the Avars before they left Mongolia, but, on the basis of the evidence from purely mongoloid cemeteries like Mosonszentjános, it is unlikely that this influence could have penetrated the entire Hunnish and Avar nations

    .

    – Carleton Coon, The Races of Europe, Chapter VII section 2

    Osmanoglu family heirs of Turkish empire:


    Mustafa Kumal Ataturk:



    OTTOMAN TURKISH EMPORERS WERE Y-DNA HAPLOGROUP R1a:

    From administrator MACIAMO of EUPEDIA:

    I came across several Ysearch entries of potential member of the House of Osman descending patrilineally from Osman I, founder of the Ottoman Empire.

    Four haplotypes are identical and belong to haplogroup R1a1, all listing Ohran or Osman I as most distant known paternal ancestor. One of them was apparently tested by Naz Osmanoglu.

    AWCUQ
    FTEMF
    KMDCN (Prince Şehzade Nazım Ziyaeddin Osmanoğlu)
    SJXZP

    All sultans of the Ottoman Empire share the same Y-chromosomal line, so all of them should belong to the same haplogroup, unless a non-paternity event happened at some point. Based on the above data, R1a would appear to be the haplogroup of the House of Osman. It is not surprising considering that the Turks originated in southern Siberia and Central Asia, where R1a has been an important lineage at least since the Bronze Age. Ultimately Turkic R1a is of Indo-European origin and should belong to the Z93 branch. Ysearch doesn’t mention the subclade of R1a

    So, it is a done deal, the book is closed, you are wrong. Turks in Central Asia are founded by Nordic Scythian men breeding East Asian women. This is why Turks in central Asia were described as fully or predominantly Caucasoid and blond Nordic, and even today many descendants of Ottomans are Nordic.

    The pictures you posted are late Turks who have west Asian, not East Asian features.
    And any Ottoman Sultan who was described as not blond had those features because of his maternal ancestry.

  220. @Bliss

    One of my recent comments to you has disappeared, I utterly demolished your ramblings about Turks and will try to post it again of there has been some kind of malfunction. That is not a portrait of Genghis Khan and the portrait of Ogedai Khan in Taiwan is obviously red haired and blue eyed, only a troll posts your BS. I believe it was Adolf Hitler wbo said that anyone who paints a green field blue should be sterilized; anyone who says Ogedai’s hair isn’t red and his eyes not blue should be banned from the UNZ.COM website.

  221. @Douglas MacDougal

    Charles Bronson was a “Lipkin Tartar” (Read his Wikipedia article) who were an ethnic group in Lithuania (His parents birthplace) who retained their ethnic identity-he sure looks Central Asian to me. Read his bio. Or about Lipkin Tartars.

    Anthropologists have reconstructed the features of Huns and they are as Asian as a Hong Kong tourist.

    You won’t meet many Ewan McGregor-looking people in Western China where the Huns originated.

    You are crazed.

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  222. denk says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    The Chinese aint vengeful people.
    They wanted to forget the past and move on inspite of jap [1] aggressions since the Ming dynasty.

    Chou Eng Lai [2] initiated the reconciliation in the 70.s , Sino/jp had a brief honeymoon for several years until uncle sham the shit stirrer engineered a soft coup to oust Pm Hatoyama.
    since then sino/jp relation has gone down hill to ever more confrontations.

    Its all in the Unz and MOA archive.

    [1]
    here’s the occasion for jap.

    [2]
    Chou survived a CIA assassination attempt in the 50.s

  223. Talha says:
    @Douglas MacDougal

    I made none of those points – you made inferences from my comments and are shadow boxing.

    I’m not a racialist; I couldn’t care less if the Ottomans were descended from Whites, Asians, Blacks or Polynesians. So I don’t have a dog in this fight.

    Peace.

  224. @Jeff Stryker

    >Charles Bronson was a “Lipkin Tartar” (Read his Wikipedia article) who were an ethnic group in Lithuania (His parents birthplace) who retained their ethnic identity-he sure looks Central Asian to me. Read his bio. Or about Lipkin Tartars

    .

    Or look at the Y-DNA of Lithuanian Tatars.

    NEARLY 100% WEST EURASIAN EUROPEAN!

    >Anthropologists have reconstructed the features of Huns and they are as Asian as a Hong Kong tourist.

    Absolutely false, those shitty Soviet reconstructions (which are now regarded as frauds) were nowhere near fully Mongoloid.

    Now we have the DNA of huns, magyars, xiongnu, medieval Mongols. 100% indiaputable fact that they were Caucasoid.

    >You won’t meet many Ewan McGregor-looking people in Western China where the Huns originated.

    Because they mixed with Mongoloid women.

    On the other hand….

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/20091844/

    A western Eurasian male is found in 2000-year-old elite Xiongnu cemetery in Northeast Mongolia

    You are crazed

    You are a mentally handicapped troll.

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  225. Kipchak Turk portrait in a 12th-century balbal in Luhansk

    Looks 100% Norwegian.

  226. Bliss says:
    @Douglas MacDougal

    The earlkest Ottoman Suktans were blond and blue eyed Caucasoids and descended from East Asian women.

    I already posted from your own previous link that the founder of the Ottoman Dynasty was nothing of the sort:

    http://www.theottomans.org/english/family/osman.asp

    The father of the Ottoman Empire Osman Gazi was born in 1258 in the town of Sogut….Osman Gazi was a tall man with a round face, dark complexion, hazel eyes, and thick eyebrows.

    A couple of the Ottoman Sultans were light haired as a result of having Eastern European mothers who had been slave girls in the Harem.

    The early Turks in central Asia (Kyrgyz, Cumans, Kipchaks) were all predominantly blond haired and blue eyed long before they reached Europe.

    The original turks were mongoloids from North Eastern Asia.

    The only eyewitness description of the turk Attila the Hun was by the Roman Priscus:

    short of stature, with a broad chest and a large head; his eyes were small, his beard thin and sprinkled with gray; and he had a flat nose and a swarthy complexion, showing the evidences of his origin

    The mongol-turk Tamerlane second only to Genghis as conqueror had his body exhumed and face reconstructed by the Soviets. He was found to be a south siberian mongoloid type:

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  227. Bliss says:
    @Douglas MacDougal

    Or look at the Y-DNA of Lithuanian Tatars.

    NEARLY 100% WEST EURASIAN EUROPEAN!

    Don’t get too excited. Lol. Lithuania is in Europe, a long ways from Turkestan. The Lithuanian tatars are a mongrelized tiny fraction (0.1%) of the population. So the east european Haplogroup is 54%. So what? It doesn’t prove what you wish it did.

    This chart is far more interesting. The Hazaras are descendants of Mongol soldiers from the Ilkhanate of Iran founded by Hulagu Khan, grandson of Genghis. No R1a or R1b:

    Here’s a painting from the Ilkhanid period. No nordics to be seen:

    http://a1.typepad.com/6a017ee66ba427970d01a3fca9c5e1970b-pi

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    , @Douglas MacDougal
  228. Bliss says:
    @Bliss

    No R1a or R1b

    Correction: no western european haplogroup R1b.

    Instead 2 African haplogroups (E1b and B) together are at 10% of the total.

  229. @Bliss

    >A couple of the Ottoman Sultans were light haired as a result of having Eastern European mothers who had been slave girls in the Harem

    Wrong, blond Ottoman sultans were light haired because central Asian Turks were always light haired such as Yenisei Kyrgyz, Cumans, Kipchaks, Xiongnu, etc, which i have shown. They had blond hair because they descended from haplogroup R1a males from the Scythian and Taschtyk cuktures, who were overwhlmingly blond haired Caucasoids, and who got their R1a from the ancestral Andronovo-Sintashta cultures which have also been proven bybgenetics research to be blond.

    The Ottoman Sultan Orhan Gazi’s mother was Mal Sultana, a Turk not a European, and Eastern Europeans were less blond haired than central Asian Turks and Mongols. Osman inherited his brown hair from his maternal lineage, because the paternal lineage comes from overwhelmingly blond Caucasoids.

    >The original turks were mongoloids from North Eastern Asia.

    Wrong. The oldest Turks are described as blond haired, tall, big nosed, Caucasoid. Turks were a multi-racial confederacy.

    >The only eyewitness description of the turk Attila the Hun was by the Roman Priscus:

    This is not an eyewitness description of Attila the Hun and is fanciful. Atilla the Hun’s descendants are all R1a Caucasoids and the Huns are described in Europe as tall, blond haired.

    >The mongol-turk Tamerlane second only to Genghis as conqueror had his body exhumed and face reconstructed by the Soviets. He was found to be a south siberian mongoloid type

    This “reconstruction” from Mikhail Gerasmimov is not considered accurate by modern Russian anthropologists and all of his other work from the mid-20th century Soviet days are now considered garbage.

    However, note what Gerasimov said about Timur’s hair:

    Timur’s hair is thick and long, reddish-grey in colour, dark brown and red being the dominating shades…Timur’s beard had been short and thick. It’s hairs are rough, almost straight, and rather thick; their colour is red, with a great deal of grey.”

    There is no such thing as a South Siberian “Mongoloid”, all South Siberians are Caucasoid-Mongoloid. And in Timur’s time mostly Caucasoid. And Timur himself was Caucasoid.

  230. @Bliss

    Don’t get too excited. Lol. Lithuania is in Europe, a long ways from Turkestan. The Lithuanian tatars are a mongrelized tiny fraction (0.1%) of the population. So the east european Haplogroup is 54%. So what? It doesn’t prove what you wish it did.

    EVERY TATAR POPULATION IN EUROPE IS MAJORITY CAUCASOID Y-DNA!

    Nogay Tatars, Crimean Tatars, Lithuanian Tatars all Caucasoid Y-DNA haplotypes inherited from Eurooean R1, I, J, G men.

    Depictions of Tatars in Europe show blond bearded men wbo are LIGHTER IN COLORATION THAN THE EASTERN EUROPEANS THEY ARE ATTACKING!

    The Rus depicted the Mongols as WHITER THAN THEY WERE:

    MONGOL DEPICTIONS BY WESTERN EUROPEANS:

    RED HAIRED, NORTHERN EUROPEANS

    Blond and red facial haired Mongol-Tatars attacking fortification:

    This means original Mongols and Tatars were white at first and became partially Mongoloid by mixing with women in the territories they conquered, as shown by the study I posted which proved that Genghis Khan’s Borjigin clan was Caucasoid and Y-DNA R1b.

    This chart is far more interesting. The Hazaras are descendants of Mongol soldiers from the Ilkhanate of Iran founded by Hulagu Khan, grandson of Genghis. No R1a or R1b:

    No they aren’t. There is no evidence at all linking Hazaras to Mongol soldiers; that is purely somebody else’s pet theory.

    On the other hand, properly dated archaeological evidence has proven that the Genghis Khan Borjigin clan which founded the Mongol empire and invaded Europe was genealogically Caucasoid and Y-DNA R1, just like modern Tatars in Eastern Europe. ;-D

    Btw C isn’t a Mongoloid or East Asian haplogroup it travelled to Asia from Europe by Caucasoids and was still present in Europe prior to the Indo European invasion of Western Europe. The research has already proven Genghis Khan and his Borjigin clan were Y-DNA R1b, however, even Mongols with C are still paternally Caucasoid ultimately.

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    , @Bliss
    , @Bliss
  231. Also LMFAO @ describing your chart as “far more interesting” when there is only supposition linking Hazaras to Mongols and there is definitive Y-DNA evidence from Borjigin graves that is R1b. It’s something a literal crackhead would say.

  232. Bliss says:
    @Douglas MacDougal

    Depictions of Tatars in Europe show blond bearded men wbo are LIGHTER IN COLORATION THAN THE EASTERN EUROPEANS THEY ARE ATTACKING!

    So, the Mongols were the purest “Aryan Ubermensch” of Hitler’s fantasy? Hmmm, very interesting. That explains why the British used to call the Germans “Huns”. And why Himmler sent his minions to Central Asia looking for the Aryan homeland.

    That also explains why the Mongols, like the Nazis, were described as a highly efficient horde of cruel, cold blooded, evil mass murderers by their victims. And why neo-nazi nordicists, such as yourself, are so very keen on claiming the Mongol Conquerors as your your blood brothers:

    But what is your explanation for the people of Mongolia looking so…mongoloid?

    The Rus depicted the Mongols as WHITER THAN THEY WERE

    Considering how white the Viking Rus were that can only mean that the Mongols who conquered and enslaved them must have been….albinos. Right?

  233. Bliss says:
    @Douglas MacDougal

    No they aren’t. There is no evidence at all linking Hazaras to Mongol soldiers; that is purely somebody else’s pet theory.

    Wrong as usual.

    The Hazaras always claimed to be descendants of Mongol warriors from the Ilkhanate of Iran.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hazaras

    Significant inner Asian descent—in historical context, Turkic and Mongol—is impossible to rule out because the Hazara’s physical attributes, facial bone structures and parts of their culture and language resemble those of Mongolians and Central Asian Turks. Thus, it is widely and popularly believed that Hazara have Mongolian ancestry. Genetic analysis of the Hazara indicate partial Mongolian ancestry. Invading Mongols and Turco-Mongols mixed with the local Iranian population, forming a distinct group.

    The conventional theory is that the name Hazara derives from the Persian word for “thousand”. It may be the translation of the Mongol word ming (or minggan), a military unit of 1,000 soldiers at the time of Genghis Khan. With time, the term Hazar could have been substituted for the Mongol word and now stands for the group of people.

    it has been found that “at least third to half of their chromosomes are of East Asian origin…..Mongol male and female ancestry is supported by studies in genetic genealogy as well, which have identified a particular lineage of the Y‑chromosome characteristic of people of Mongolian descent (“the Y-chromosome of Genghis Khan”). This chromosome is virtually absent outside the limits of the Mongol Empire except among the Hazara, where it reaches its highest frequency anywhere. These results indicate that the Hazara are also characterized by very high frequencies of eastern Eurasian mtDNAs at 35%, which are virtually absent from bordering populations, suggesting that the male descendants of Genghis Khan, or other Mongols, were accompanied by women of East Asian ancestry. Women of Non-eastern Eurasian mtDNA in Hazaras are at 65% most which are West Eurasians and some South Asian.

    The most frequent paternal Haplogroup type found amongst the Pakistani Hazara was haplogroup C-M217 at 40%(10/25) with Haplogroup O3 (Y-DNA) at 8% both which are Eastern Eurasian males ancestry associated with the Mongoloid ethnicity.

    In one mtDNA study of Hazara, mtDNA Haplogroup L which is of African origin was detected at a frequency of 7.5% Also in one Y-DNA study of Hazara people, two haplogroups regarded as extreme outliers geographically have also been identified at low levels among the Hazara

    Haplogroup B (B-M60), which is normally regarded as an East African haplogroup, has been found in 5.1% (three out of a sample of 59 Hazara males)

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  234. Bliss says:
    @Douglas MacDougal

    Btw C isn’t a Mongoloid or East Asian haplogroup it travelled to Asia from Europe by Caucasoids

    What a stupid and shameless liar. Haplogroup C is quintessentially mongoloid. And it originated in India not Europe:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_C-M130

    Haplogroup C is a major Y-chromosome haplogroup…and is the predominant Y-DNA haplogroup among males belonging to many peoples indigenous to East Asia, Central Asia, Siberia, North America and Oceania. The haplogroup is also found at moderate frequencies among certain indigenous populations of South Asia and Southeast Asia as well as low frequencies among some populations of Europe.

    Although Haplogroup C-M130 attains its highest frequencies among the indigenous populations of Kazakhstan, Mongolia, the Russian Far East, Polynesia, Australia, and at moderate frequency in Korea and Manchu people, it displays its highest diversity among modern populations of India. It is therefore hypothesized that Haplogroup C-M130 either originated or underwent its longest period of evolution within India or the greater South Asian coastal region.

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  235. Anonymous[164] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bliss

    Don’t worry, its only going to be a short period of time before he finds out that Shaka Zulu was also of purest Nordic extraction.

    And why Himmler sent his minions to Central Asia looking for the Aryan homeland.

    Himmler sent his people to Tibet, which at least was isolated enough that it made some sense to be the seat of a “long lost people.”

  236. Bliss says:

    Himmler sent his people to Tibet

    Yeah Tibet. Turks, Tibetans, Mongols, all mongoloid peoples living north of the Himalayas and the Great Wall of China. Turks being the most mongrelized.

    Interestingly the Mongols all abandoned their native shamanistic Tengriism for the religions of their racial cousins. Arab Islam from the Turks and Indian Buddhism from the Tibetans.

    • Replies: @Douglas MacDougal
  237. @Bliss

    But what is your explanation for the people of Mongolia looking so…mongoloid?

    You already got your explanation which was in the PLOSone study that demonstrated the Mongol Borjigin clan, and Genghis Khan, were Nordic Caucasoids.

    1.) Males of the Borjigin clan within Mongolia mixed with Mongoloid females in North Asia and China.

    2.) Other Caucasoid Mongols and hybrids who were the ones actually engaged in the westward push of tbe Mongol empire, settled in Europe, and are still there today. They are not Mongoloid.

    3.) Even today Mongolians have Caucasoid features and hair and eye coloration, remnants of its former inhabitants.

    Mongolia today is racially different after large scale Chinese and Manchurian migrations. A lot of people claiming “Mongol” ancestry are descendants of Chinese people who were taken to Mongolia by the Manchu (who, incidentally, were also partly Caucasoid). This is especially true of Mongolians living in the capitol city. Mongolians outside Ulaanbaatar are actually very visibly Caucasoid admixed, and in Western Mongolians (who have approximately 90% Y-DNA haplogroup R1a) the frequency of blond hair and blue eyes approaches the NorthWestern European average.

    As the paper clearly states:

    http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0161622

    Moreover, the geographical distribution of R1b-M343-carrying modern-day individuals demonstrates that descendants of Tavan Tolgoi bodies today live mainly in Western Eurasia, with a high frequency in the territories of the past Mongol khanates

    The case is closed. The real Mongols of the Mongol empire (the Borjigin clan, a.k.a the grey-eyed clan) were mostly Nordic Caucasoids with blue-grey eyes, red and blond hair, Aryan features. Their horses took them across Eurasia, and they encountered Europeans who were darker, dumber, and less white than they were. They stayed there, mixed with these dumb “whites”, and today have had their glory and their identity stolen from them by “civilized” cucks such as yourself, who enthusiastically sell out Aryan glory and accomplishments if it means you can concoct a story of “Mongoloid” invasions of Europe. You are spiritually the closest thing to the kind of Jewish archetype that White Trashionalists ramble about — someone with no honor, no glory, no sense of attachment to the legacy of the Steppe Centaurs. A person who is, at heart, a victim and a worshipper of victimhood. Someone who is baggage and an embarassment within our population.

    Considering how white the Viking Rus were that can only mean that the Mongols who conquered and enslaved them must have been….albinos. Right?

    The Viking Rus were not white they were swarthy Finno-Ugricucks and mixed with other swarths. They were not enslaved.

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  238. @Bliss

    The Hazaras always claimed to be descendants of Mongol warriors from the Ilkhanate of Iran

    It doesn’t matter what they claim. Lots of people claimed to be descendants of Genghis Khan; because he has always been looked up to as a hero even by the people his soldiers terrorized. The rest of your posts contains inaccurate, outdated and disproven allegations, such as the utterly false assumptuon that Haplogroup C is linked to Genghis Khan. Not only has it been proven that Genghis Khan’s Borjigin (grey-eyed) clan belonged to the European Y-DNA haplogroup R1b-M343, a DNA study published in 2018 has declared that there is absolutely nothing linking Genghis Khan to Y-DNA haplogroup C and there is no evidence that anyone with haplogroup C descends from Genghis Khan.

    There is no doubt that the Hazaras (imposters) do not descend from Genghis Khan or the Mongols, which makes sense as there is no way the Mongols who drove the Mongol empire across Eurasia, the richest and most powerful human beings on the planet, devolved to the status of modern Hazaras. They are some of the least dignified human beings on this planet.

    • Replies: @Bliss
  239. @Bliss

    Yeah Tibet. Turks, Tibetans, Mongols, all mongoloid peoples living north of the Himalayas and the Great Wall of China. Turks being the most mongrelized.

    Not Mongoloid, but Caucasoid-Mongoloid hybrids who were indeed descendants of Aryan men.

    This was noted not just by German anthropologists, but by anthropologists from America, such as the great Carleton Coon:

    The Kirghiz are predominantly brunet; they show no more blondism than many brunet Mediterranean peoples in Africa and Asia, but here the blondism definitely implies a Nordic or other blond racial increment, for there is no minority incidence of blondism among fully evolved, unmixed mongoloids. The presence of a submerged blond strain among the Kirghiz is clearly shown by the presence of 14 per cent of beards lighter than dark brown, a ratio 10 per cent higher than that for head hair color. The white strains that went into the Kirghiz blend were probably predominantly blond.

    Coon also noted that despite the Mongoloid appearance of modern Kyrgyz, they so sbared certain traits with Nordics, such as sloping foreheads:

    In the form of the external eye, however, the Kirghiz are not notably mongoloid; only 15 per cent have the epicanthic fold, as compared to 83 per cent of Buryat-Mongols. Eye obliquity is found in 38 per cent, however, and the eye slit is characteristically narrow. Straight or vertical foreheads, common among Buryats and Mongols, are uncommon among Kirghiz; the slope is as great as that among Nordics and other Europeans. Browridges, usually but slightly developed among Mongols, are often medium to heavy among Kirghiz

    Large browridges and sloping foreheads are ultra-Caucasoid attributes, demonstrated aptly by this depiction of Attila the Hun:

    Turns out these anthropologists were vindicated after their time, because we now have the remains abd death masks of the Yenisei Kyrgyz, those Kyrgyz described by the Chinese as blond, tall, big nosed, blue eyed. Their remains were classified as Caucasoid and behind every mask was a skull with gold and red hair attached.

    Yenisei Kyrgyz death masks, Y-DNA haplogroup R1a

    https://bc.marfeel.com/statics/i/ps/www.thevintagenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/BeFunky-Collage.jpg?mrf-size=l

    Turns out we did come from Siberia and the Turks are descendend from the same kinds of people we did. If you are northern European, a lot of central Asian Turks are your blood relatives. It has now been revealed by DNA evidence that pre-historic Europe was mostly inhabited by Negroid-like people such as Cheddar Man. Intelligent and intuitive people sense this immediately and get on well with Turks and other Asians; thise who don’t are likely not true Aryans.

  240. @Bliss

    What a stupid and shameless liar. Haplogroup C is quintessentially mongoloid. And it originated in India not Europe

    There is nothing Mongoloid about Y-DNA C and no proof it originated in India, no fossils. But even if it bad originated in India, that doesn’t make it Mongoloid.

    The oldest fossil remains tested and confirmed to belong to Y-DNA C are from West Eurasia and not Mongoloid.

    This is Gerasimov’s reconstruction of Sunghir man, a ~30,000 year old fossil from European Russia that has been tested and revealed to belong to Y-DNA haplogroup C:

    An artist’s impression based on the skull:

    Tbe Spanish La Brana fossil was also found to be Y-DNA haplogroup C:

    In reality these people were much darker than depicted here, and there is nothing Mongoloid about their skulls or their reconstructions. Haplogroup C evolved in non-Mongoloid men and did not reach Mongolia until very recently. So even Haplogroup C Mongols are not paternally Mongoloid.

    Modern human Y-DNA originates in Africa and spread east to Asia; yet “Mongoloid” physical attributes can be traced back well before the origin of modern humans, on ancient East Asian non-sapiens crania such as Homo Erectus. Therefore, it is highly unlikely, bordering on impossibility, for a Y-DNA haplogroup that has deep roots in west Eurasia among non-Mongoloids, to be connected to morphologically Mongoloid traits. In fact the very thought that Y-DNA C could be Mongoloid is simply preposterous.

    Mongoloid features in East Asians are likely to be pinned down to autosomal admixture between archaic Asian hominids and modern humans who migrated to East Asia from West Eurasia. The men who brought haplogroup C to East Asia were not at all Mongoloid and the haplogroup itself isn’t, either. “Mongoloid” features come from the highly evolved descendants of archaic humans like Sangiran and Peking man who mixed with modern humans as they ventured deep in to China. There is some evidence of this interbreeding in the Red Deer cave fossils and similar sites, which are described as modern human-australopithecus hybrids dated to the holocene.

    The only stupid and shameless one here is you.

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  241. @Bliss

    “Nordicists”

    Most of the US Neo-Nazis will be Anglo-Celts whose ancestors battled it out with Vikings and Danes on the shores of England or Scotland.

  242. Bliss says:
    @Douglas MacDougal

    The case is closed. The real Mongols of the Mongol empire (the Borjigin clan, a.k.a the grey-eyed clan) were mostly Nordic Caucasoids with blue-grey eyes, red and blond hair, Aryan features. Their horses took them across Eurasia, and they encountered Europeans who were darker, dumber, and less white than they were. They stayed there, mixed with these dumb “whites”

    So, until the 13th century the Europeans were a race of darker skinned (Cheddar Man?) dumb “whites”? Fascinating. That explains why the centuries before the Mongol invasion of Europe are called the Dark Ages. Right?

    But wait, what about the Roman descriptions of the Germanic barbarians? Tacitus described them as Nordic looking? How do you explain that?

    And how do you explain the European eyewitness accounts that describe the Mongols as….mongoloid looking:

    http://inet1.ffst.hr/_download/repository/Sweeney_1982.pdf

    “they have short legs but enormous chests, their faces are broad, their skin white, with beardless cheeks, hooked noses, and narrow eyes set rather far apart.

    The Viking Rus were not white they were swarthy Finno-Ugricucks and mixed with other swarths. They were not enslaved.

    So the Scandinavian Rus were “swarthy Finno-Ugricucks”? Who knew the Norsemen were non-whites. So interesting.

    But then why were those Viking barbarians described as stereotypically nordic by eyewitnesses such as Ibn Fadlan. How do you explain that?

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  243. Bliss says:
    @Douglas MacDougal

    There is no doubt that the Hazaras (imposters) do not descend from Genghis Khan or the Mongols

    As if the baseless opinion of a shameless liar trumps all the evidence.

    The lowly status of Hazaras in Afghanistan is because of racial, religious and historical reasons. The Hazaras are shia mongoloids in a sunni caucasoid nation. Genghis Khan, Hulagu Khan etc aren’t heroes to non-turkic muslims of west asia (quite the opposite) because of what they did to their ancestors and their civilization.

    There are numerous paintings of the Mongol Ilkhanate of Iran and they show the Mongols as a distinctly mongoloid race. You must be really screwed up in the head (like all nordicists invariably are) to have somehow convinced yourself that the Mongols were “Nordic caucasoids”.

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  244. Bliss says:
    @Douglas MacDougal

    This is Gerasimov’s reconstruction of Sunghir man, a ~30,000 year old fossil from European Russia

    Haplogroup C is a lot older than that and did not originate in Europe. Here is a map of its migration route:

    The Haplogroup arrived in Russia from the South:

    Distribution map of current human beings (Cro-Magnon), by Currat & Excoffier (2004). This is considered to be almost synonymous with the expansion of Haplogroup C1a2.

    it is highly unlikely, bordering on impossibility, for a Y-DNA haplogroup that has deep roots in west Eurasia among non-Mongoloids, to be connected to morphologically Mongoloid traits. In fact the very thought that Y-DNA C could be Mongoloid is simply preposterous.

    Lol.

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  245. @Bliss

    So, until the 13th century the Europeans were a race of darker skinned (Cheddar Man?) dumb “whites”? Fascinating. That explains why the centuries before the Mongol invasion of Europe are called the Dark Ages. Right?

    Nobody said that, idgit.

    But wait, what about the Roman descriptions of the Germanic barbarians? Tacitus described them as Nordic looking? How do you explain that

    They descended from Central Asians, first by men from the Andronovo-Sintashta culture, later by other men after Germanics were repelled from the western steppes where they used to live.

    And how do you explain the European eyewitness accounts that describe the Mongols as….mongoloid looking:

    They were never described as Mongoloid looking and there is nothing Mongoloid about that description. Not a single European ever described them as Mongoloid.

    So the Scandinavian Rus were “swarthy Finno-Ugricucks”? Who knew the Norsemen were non-whites. So interesting.

    But then why were those Viking barbarians described as stereotypically nordic by eyewitnesses such as Ibn Fadlan. How do you explain that?

    Until you remember that Ibn Fadlan made that description 350 years before Genghis Khan’s troops even got to Europe, of Rus warriors of a different ethnic composition than the 1200s era, by that time out-and-out Finno-Ugricized Rurikid Rus.

    Honestly… Check your dates before you ask stupid questions. The Rus that the Nordic Mongols encountered would have been more pseudo-Mongoloid looking than the Borjigin invaders themselves.

    That is why, when you look at photos painted in Europe from that time period, Mongols are Aryan looking, whiter than their opponents.

  246. @Bliss

    >As if the baseless opinion of a shameless liar trumps all the evidence

    .

    There is no evidence at all supporting the “Hazara descend from Genghis Khan’s troops theory”, on the contrary it was always baseless and now we have the DNA from actual Borjigin clan members. They were R1b, Hazaras have practically none. So direct genetic evidence from Borjigin clan graves in Mongolia disproves this stupid theory which never had any evidence and never made any sense. Hazaras are imposters.

    The modern descendants of the Borjigin clan which founded the Mongol empire live mostly in Europe today. Approx. 10% of Mongols in Cbina have R1b, so a small percentage of them are descendants to. Everyone else does not have relationship to the Borjigin clan.

    The lowly status of Hazaras in Afghanistan is because of racial, religious and historical reasons. The Hazaras are shia mongoloids in a sunni caucasoid nation. Genghis Khan, Hulagu Khan etc aren’t heroes to non-turkic muslims of west asia (quite the opposite) because of what they did to their ancestors and their civilization.

    Wrong it’s because they aren’t Mongols and were never Mongols and have nothing to do with Genghis Khan. The Mongols were just as violent to Turks and Chinese but don’t change the fact he is still admired among them.

    Also Genghis crushed decadent civilizations but people in the area still benefited tremendously from the Mongol empire.

    There are numerous paintings of the Mongol Ilkhanate of Iran and they show the Mongols as a distinctly mongoloid race. You must be really screwed up in the head (like all nordicists invariably are) to have somehow convinced yourself that the Mongols were “Nordic caucasoids”.

    No they don’t. Those paintings look pseudo Mongoloid (not distinct) because the Iranians adopted their painting techniques from the Chinese. Even Iranians look “Mongoloid” in thsir own paintings. The Iranian paintings aren’t valid for this reason.

    12th century Persian painting depicting themselves as “Mongoloid” (the Persians were in fact Caucasoid)

    Persians depicted the Mongols the same way they did as themselves, with the exception that the Mongols were substantially lighter skinned than the Persians. Pwned yourself again, congratulations my little ragdoll.

    You are in denial of the historical evidence and the new DNA evidence which you simply ignore, because you don’t want to believe Genghis Khan was Nordic, because your mind is still in the sewer your body crawled out of.

  247. @Bliss

    Haplogroup C is a lot older than that and did not originate in Europe. Here is a map of its migration route:

    That is a map of one study’s proposed migration route of haplogroup C, which was never based on fossil evidence or real proof of any kind. A theory that was never intended to be taken as fact, but only a model based on an author’s suppositions.

    As it turns out, that model was bunk, and does not fit with the NEW fossil DNA evidence, ALL of which places MULTIPLE individuals in Europe 38,000-12,000 gears ago with Y-DNA haplogroup C in EUROPE.

    There has NEVER been an Indian fossil earlier than the Holocene found to carry Haplogroup C. On the other hand, Haplogroup C was a DOMINANT haplogroup in regions of Europe over 30,000 years ago, among some of the oldest modern humans known to exist outside Africa.

    The authors of the study this picture is taken from were not aware of that. They will now be shifting their models to take in to account the fact that the oldest C is from Europe and that C used to be a dominant European haplogroup, something these authors weren’t aware of.

    Thd difference between you and me is that I post cold, hard, indisputable facts based on direct evidence and discoveries. Everything YOU post is a clusterfuck of supposition, superstition, outdated hypotheses, and general nothingness, mixed with a lot of wishful thinking.

    The Haplogroup arrived in Russia from the South

    That is supposed to be the proposed route of origin, as modern humans did originate in Africa and moved in to other parts of the world from that continent, one of the ways to do that is to travel north (and east).

    Unfortunately for you, however, that does not mean it came from India; as India is not “The South™”. The proposed migration is from (pleistocene) West Asia. And India was never an urheimat of Mongoloids anyway; what you think ANY of this has to do with “Mongoloids” is beyond graap, but then again so is everything that comes out of your cunt mouth.

    And, again, not a single West Asian fossil DNA analysis to support this proposed route of migration.

    Lol.

    Another map made without the benefit of foresight knowing that the range of Haplogroup C was originally in Europe. That is the range of modern populations only, in tbe past we find C was dominant in Europe.

    If you are the best that the “Defenders of The West™” have to offer, it might be time to start thinking about diving head first off of Neuschwanstein Castle.

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