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I was just reading this MailOnline article about Finland, headlined (and it’s a long headline): Nazi daggers, SS hats and a hangman’s noose: On night patrol with the “Soldiers of Odin,” neo-Nazi led vigilantes vowing to “keep Europe’s women safe from migrant sex attacks”. [By Jake Wallis Simons, February 4, 2016]

That’s the headline. They don’t stint on headlines over there at the Mail.

The Daily Mail story concerns that group mentioned in the headline—the “Soldiers of Odin.” It’s a vigilante group that’s come up in response to Finland taking in 32,000 illegal immigrants last year, most from Iraq.

Imprimis: Just a couple of queries here about these Finnish vigilantes, the Sons of Odin.

440px-Ekman_VainamoinenFirst query: Odin was a Norse god, a god of the Germanic people. The Finns aren’t Germanic. Their language is not even Indo-European. The hero god of the Finns is actually a chap named Vainamoinen, conceived in Ilmatar, Goddess of the Air, by the East Wind.

I think what we have here is a case of Cultural Appropriation!

Second query: It’s commendably thorough of them to have had those T-shirts made up with the words DEFEND FINLAND printed on the front; and those windbreaker jackets with the words SOLDIERS OF ODIN printed on the back, and the caps printed with S.O.O. for “Soldiers of Odin,” but…why are all those things printed in English?

If Google Translate can be depended on, “Defend Finland” translates into Finnish as Puolustaa Suomi. “Soldiers of Odin” would be Sotilaat Odin–although, as I just pointed out, Sotilaat Vainamoinen would be more ethnically authentic.

So for a group claiming to defend their people and culture, I must say, I think the Sons of Odin are putting on a pretty poor show.

If they want to get some properly authentic T-shirts and jackets printed up, I know a firm in Sacramento that could use the business.

I’ll just pause to note how many that illegal alien influx into Finland is: 32,000 in a country whose entire population is less than 5½ million.

That would be like the U.S.A. taking in two million in one year.

And that understates the case. Finland has been far more homogeneous, racially and culturally, than the U.S.A. ever was. In the country profile at the CIA World Factbook, on figures dated from 2006, the ethnic breakdown in Finland was: Finns 93.4 percent, Swedes 5.6 percent, all others one percent—mostly Russians.

Imagine that: your only significant minority group is Swedes!

But the Finnish politicians, like their clueless counterparts elsewhere in Europe, hung out the welcome sign to illegal immigrants. In fact in September last year the Prime Minister of Finland did so well-nigh literally, offering to open his own country house to the illegals.

Reality seems to have taken a grip, though. Last Sunday the Prime Minister withdrew that offer, quote, “because of security concerns.” [Finnish PM drops promise to let refugees use his home , Guardian, February 2, 2016] Wednesday this week the President of Finland—that’s a different guy, and in fact from a different political party—told the country’s parliament that too many illegals were claiming asylum and most were just economic migrants. Now the Finnish government is talking about deporting two-thirds of the 32,000. [ Finland’s president says migrants are threatening Western values and many are not fleeing danger but just looking for an easier life, by Simon Tomlinson, Daily Mail,February 4, 2016]

Anyway, back to that original story about vigilantes. Not surprisingly—unless you’re as stupid as a European politician—this flood of tens of thousands of Middle Eastern Muslims, mostly obstreperous young men, into Finland’s exceptionally homogeneous society, has generated a reaction. These Soldiers of Odin are part of that reaction.

moralequivalence

A hardened cynic like your correspondent here naturally rolls his eyes at words like “neo-Nazi,” mention of the SS, and so on. The threshold for being called a neo-Nazi is just too low nowadays. The Southern Poverty Law Center ($PLC to VDARE.com) will call you a neo-Nazi if you disapprove of Affirmative Action.

finnheadI must say, though—and even taking the MailOnlinestory with a pinch of salt: it’s a tabloid newspaper, after all—the Soldiers of Odin look like an unsavory bunch. Beaucoup tattoos, criminal records, and yes, Nazi memorabilia.

What really caught my eye in the story, however, was this line: “Fewer than 8,000 police officers are employed in the country, making it one of the smallest forces per capita in Europe.”

That took me off on a tangent, wondering how policed different countries are.

With 8,000 cops for 5½ million people, Finland has 143 officers per hundred thousand, against a world median of around 300. So yes, Finland’s is a low number. The U.S.A. has 256, eighty percent more than Finland (though still below the median). Russia has 546, nearly four times as many as Finland.

Those are numbers I got from Google queries; goodness knows whether the counting methodologies match up. Scanning comparison tables, in fact, you don’t see much correlation between how policed a country is and one’s general impression of its lawlessness. Places like El Salvador and Colombia have sensational homicide rates, but policing densities not much above the world median.

The lowest number I see there is for Mali, 48 per hundred thousand. I wouldn’t say that Mali is my notion of an exceptionally law-abiding country—but what do I know? I’ve never been to Mali.

I guess there are several variables in play there. The meanness of cops, for example. Really mean, corrupt cops, in a country that allows them to be mean and corrupt, has to have more deterrent value than a friendly, unarmed bobby on a bicycle.

And then there’s how urbanized a country is; and how much crime citizens are used to, or willing to put up with; and whether citizens are armed…Many variables.

spanishmasftiffBut all right, Third World aside, by European standards—First World standards—Finns don’t need much policing. Or didn’t, before they laid out the welcome mat. Now they’ve got thirty thousand leering, groping Muslims and skinheads with whole-body tattoos and Rottweilers out on patrol.

Finland then: A quiet, homogeneous nation of industrious, well-behaved people that didn’t need much policing.

Finland now, or soon: Another doomed experiment in multiculturalism, with unassimilable Muslims demanding privileges, angry disaffected underclass natives breaking windows, and decent people staying away from public spaces.

Way to mess up a quiet, sleepy, homogeneous little Scandinavian country, guys.

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  1. What if average men in western countries starting sexually harassing Muslim women? Not talking about actual rape here but little things; a leer here, a hand brushed up against a butt there, a tug at a hijab in a crowd, that sort of thing. In other words small potatoes compared to what Muslim men are doing to western women but it just might send Muslim men the message to leave western women alone (assuming they want to not be sexually harassed by Arab and African men) and possibly act as a deterrent for them to stop sending for female relatives as their levels of beta mate guarding are extraordinary. Worst case scenario; it starts a race war but one’s coming anyway so it would just be speeding up the process.

  2. Svigor says:

    With 8,000 cops for 5½ million people, Finland has 143 officers per hundred thousand, against a world median of around 300. So yes, Finland’s is a low number. The U.S.A. has 256, eighty percent more than Finland (though still below the median). Russia has 546, nearly four times as many as Finland.

    Those are numbers I got from Google queries; goodness knows whether the counting methodologies match up. Scanning comparison tables, in fact, you don’t see much correlation between how policed a country is and one’s general impression of its lawlessness. Places like El Salvador and Colombia have sensational homicide rates, but policing densities not much above the world median.

    I feel your pain. It wasn’t any easier finding stats when I looked for similar data for domestic States. You’d think with all the libertardians running around crying about the “police state,” a few could be found to cough up the dough for some studies. Hell, maybe even a study every five years or so. Oh well; maybe when some fat oligarch orders them to…

    • Replies: @pyrrhus
    , @IA
    , @RobRich
  3. I thought, at first, Derbyshire was suggesting that this group was a false flag operation, but now I believe that, lacking inspiration, he reached for the nearest sensationalist headline.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
  4. What bugs me is that nearly six weeks on from the attacks in Cologne and, reportedly, other European cities, we’re no closer to a proper explanation of this phenomena, as regards to how it was organised, and by whom. It could be argued that the German authorities are being tightlipped whilst their investigations continue, or maybe a lot more has appeared in the German media. but the lack of appetite in the British/American media to dig deeper than the headlines is truly depressing.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
  5. edNels [AKA "geoshmoe"] says:

    The main mission of the refugee/imigrants is to change Europe! They know what their job is, they have a huge organization in back of them, including East German Merkel!

    There are some self important folks, who want to be the onliest ones… or the ”Chosen”, and they ain’t all too good lookin’ compared to the ”Nordic” standard.

    Well, so, why not get rid of the Nordic standards, breed them out of existance! Then some day the banty legged, pudgy, ugly inbred beasts, can say, ” Look, we are the standard of beauty!”

    Seems like the main job of the hordes of disslocated Sand folks, and their fellow travelers is to get their dicks wet and pollute the homogenius remnent of the North, and it won’t be long, those more or less defenseless naifs will all have little Tirones and Hussains to think about… INO’s, they will be compromised with brats that are sort of their blood, and that will be that.

    In the movie: ”Journey to the Center of Earth” there was a character, supposed to be an Islander, picked up there to help guide the treck down into the volcano, and when they encountered monsters sort of like the Morlocks, the fruit (same actor that was the fairy in ”Barbarella”) couldn’t even make a fist, they had to show him how to punch.

    That is what is wrong with Scandinavia, and Europe too, they were coddled too long, and now, it’s harvest time, Whether that race can survive the cold climate no question, but can they enter into a free for all with the worlds surley hard boiled mongrels, doubt it!

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  6. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I believe it is time for Finns to have The Talk(tm)

    • Replies: @5371
  7. Sean says:

    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/africa/calm-storm

    The Calm Before the Storm
    Why Volatility Signals Stability, and Vice Versa
    By Nassim Nicholas Taleb and Gregory F. Treverton

    Even as protests spread across the Middle East in early 2011, the regime of Bashar al-Assad in Syria appeared immune from the upheaval. Assad had ruled comfortably for over a decade, having replaced his father, Hafez, who himself had held power for the previous three decades. Many pundits argued that Syria’s sturdy police state, which exercised tight control over the country’s people and economy, would survive the Arab Spring undisturbed. Compared with its neighbor Lebanon, Syria looked positively stable. Civil war had torn through Lebanon throughout much of the 1970s and 1980s, and the assassination of former Prime Minister Rafiq Hariri in 2005 had plunged the country into yet more chaos.

    But appearances were deceiving: today, Syria is in a shambles, with the regime fighting for its very survival, whereas Lebanon has withstood the influx of Syrian refugees and the other considerable pressures of the civil war next door. Surprising as it may seem, the per capita death rate from violence in Lebanon in 2013 was lower than that in Washington, D.C. That same year, the body count of the Syrian conflict surpassed 100,000.

    Why has seemingly stable Syria turned out to be the fragile regime, whereas always-in-turmoil Lebanon has so far proved robust? The answer is that prior to its civil war, Syria was exhibiting only pseudo-stability, its calm façade concealing deep structural vulnerabilities. Lebanon’s chaos, paradoxically, signaled strength….

    http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/literature/laureates/1970/solzhenitsyn-lecture.html

    “…western society is approaching that point beyond which the system becomes metastable and must fall”.

    A 1967 satire The Report from Iron Mountain suggested that peace was not in the interest of a stable society, that even if lasting peace “could be achieved, it would almost certainly not be in the best interests of society to achieve it.”

  8. 5371 says:
    @Anonymous

    Experience will speak more cogently than JD or anyone else could.

  9. Stopped over in Helsinki in 2010. There’s an obvious overlap in Nordic populations. Finns with non-Germanic language etc look a lot like Swedes(lots of Swedish genes in Finland or lots of Finnish genes in Sweden). Helsinki likely 95+% White but downtown areas disrupted by rowdy others including omnipresent Somali/Eritreans. A few handfuls of lurkers can change the character of downtown areas. On more than one occasion clop clop clop. Turn around and random woman a eugenic beauty.

  10. Cracker says:

    Maybe they used English so the muzzies could read them? I dunno. Isn’t Finnish close to Korean or something? But I love those snow people, just a wonderful place especially with the reindeer cops and them all going sisu and shooting commies back in the Winter War. May the gods praise Simho Hayha!

    • Agree: AndrewR
  11. Cracker says:

    “Surprising as it may seem, the per capita death rate from violence in Lebanon in 2013 was lower than that in Washington, D.C. ”

    Yeah, mysteries abound…

  12. Cracker says:
    @Johnny Smoggins

    The problem with that is that those muslim women may enjoy that sort of um “romantic advance”…Not that I blame them.

  13. pyrrhus says:
    @Svigor

    My question is whether deputy sheriffs are counted in these “police” statistics. In my area, for example, we have no police, only deputies, and the crime rate is virtually nil….

  14. attonn says:

    Who could possibly take anything called “Sotilaat Vainamoinen” seriously? I wouldn’t be surprised if translated into Arabic it would mean “Please come to Finland and take our women”.

  15. With 8,000 cops for 5½ million people, Finland has 143 officers per hundred thousand, against a world median of around 300. So yes, Finland’s is a low number. The U.S.A. has 256, eighty percent more than Finland (though still below the median). Russia has 546, nearly four times as many as Finland.

    Those are numbers I got from Google queries; goodness knows whether the counting methodologies match up. Scanning comparison tables, in fact, you don’t see much correlation between how policed a country is and one’s general impression of its lawlessness. Places like El Salvador and Colombia have sensational homicide rates, but policing densities not much above the world median.

    The lowest number I see there is for Mali, 48 per hundred thousand. I wouldn’t say that Mali is my notion of an exceptionally law-abiding country—but what do I know? I’ve never been to Mali.

    I would think the common sense explanation is that police per capita is approximately a function of not just crime but also the development/wealth level and of corruption.

    Mali has few police for the simple reason its government has a yearly budget probably about equivalent to that of a small American town. You need to pay the police after all.

    In more corrupt countries, police forces tend to be comfortable places from which to extract “rents.” Note the high numbers of police per capita throughout the Mediterranean from Portugal to Turkey relative to Northern Europe and the US. Naturally, that applies to Russia too.

    Second query: It’s commendably thorough of them to have had those T-shirts made up with the words DEFEND FINLAND printed on the front; and those windbreaker jackets with the words SOLDIERS OF ODIN printed on the back, and the caps printed with S.O.O. for “Soldiers of Odin,” but…why are all those things printed in English?

    Presumably because the European skinhead scene is rather thoroughly Anglicized and homogenized. I submit that perhaps not even many Finns know who Vainamoinen actually is (just as I suspect a lot more Russians know who Thor or Odin is relative to Perun or Dazhbog).

  16. Bill Lind predicted years ago that 4th generation war would give rise to militias in response. This is what we see now across Europe – the migrant gangs are waging 4GW against European societies; this gives rise to militia groups like the Sons of Odin.

    • Replies: @Sean
  17. Defend Finland is “Puolusta Suomea!” in Finnish, Soldiers of Väinämöinen is “Väinämöisen sotilaat”. I completely agree that this is a case of Cultural Appropriation. One should bear in mind, however, that members of these gangs are often convicted small time criminals and their educational level is generally so low that they probably are not very well aware of Finnish mythology. They just portray themselves as Viking warriors of popular (Anglophone) fiction. After all, this is a very marginal phenomenon that has only received a lot of media attention.

  18. jeppo says:

    Odin was a Norse god, a god of the Germanic people. The Finns aren’t Germanic.

    No, but Finland isn’t exclusively a Finnish nation. It was under Swedish rule for nearly 700 years and the Finnish national movement (the Fennomans) was actually started by Swedish Finns. Swedish Finns dominated every facet of life in Finland from the Middle Ages to the early 20th century, imposing their language, religion, culture and legal system on the country.

    Swedish remains a co-official language of Finland, and Swedish Finns maintain their own institutions (parliament, political parties, media, opera house, etc.) in Finland. And “Finland” is of course the Swedish name for the country. So I think Finland is best classified as a Finnish-Swedish binational state and, with its membership in the Nordic Council, basically a province of Greater Scandinavia.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish-speaking_population_of_Finland

    Besides, “Sons of Vainamoinen” sounds kind of lame and not very intimidating. “Sons of Odin” on the other hand should have the Afro-Islamic invaders quaking in their sandals, fearing the wrath of Thor’s hammer about to come down on their heads. It’s good to see the patriots of Finland embracing their (partial) Nordic Germanic heritage.

    It’s commendably thorough of them to have had those T-shirts made up with the words DEFEND FINLAND printed on the front; and those windbreaker jackets with the words SOLDIERS OF ODIN printed on the back, and the caps printed with S.O.O. for “Soldiers of Odin,” but…why are all those things printed in English?

    English is not only the world’s lingua franca, but also the perfect compromise language in a bicultural nation. English as a second (or third) language is spoken by more than 60% of Finns, one of the highest rates in the EU.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language_in_Europe

    Knowledge of English is another category where Finland clusters with its Germanic neighbours rather than the rest of Europe. A majority of the people in all 10 Anglo-Germanic nations in the EU speak English, and majorities in non-EU members Switzerland, Norway and Iceland likely do too. But of the other 18 EU nations, the majority speaks English only in Malta, Cyprus (both members of the Commonwealth) and Slovenia.

    So the Sons of Odin (written in English and honouring the chief god of the ancient Germanic peoples) are actually as quintessentially Finnish as saunas, midsummer bonfires and birch trees. Long may they terrorize the Afro-Islamic rapefugees.

    • Replies: @A Suomalainen
    , @DanC
  19. @jeppo

    Of course Finland is not exclusively Finnish speaking nation. There is, like Mr. Derbyshire already mentioned, a small minority of Swedish-speaking Finns (5 %). Many of these are just normal (and often very patriotic) Finns whose ancestors adopted Swedish as their language during the period when Swedish was the sole official language. However, for the large majority a group called “Soldiers of Odin” sounds foreign and for many a little bit offensive.

    Some of the facts you mentioned are not completely accurate. There is no separate Swedish parliament, if you don’t mean Svenska Folktinget, which is a purely consultative body without any legislative power. Also, there is only one national opera in Finland, that is a bilingual (mostly Finnish in its activities). There is one, quite small, predominantly Swedish political party in the parliament (cf. Plaid Cymru or SNP in the UK) and one significant Swedish newspaper (Hufvudstadsbladet).

    Historically Swedish was of course dominant in the public sphere, but it is a huge exaggeration to call early Fennoman (Finnish national) movement exclusively Swedish. Of course many (most) early Fennomans were native Swedish speakers or bilingual, but they were staunch supporters of Finnish language and culture. They would have never accepted a group called “Soldiers of Odin”.

    It is also quite misleading to call Finland a province of Nordic council. Nordic council is a loose organ of cooperation of Nordic countries.

    • Replies: @jeppo
  20. jeppo says:
    @A Suomalainen

    However, for the large majority a group called “Soldiers of Odin” sounds foreign and for many a little bit offensive.

    The same people who are offended by the name “Soldiers of Odin” would probably take offense with any group that opposes the “Refugees Welcome” narrative, no matter what they called themselves.

    There is no separate Swedish parliament, if you don’t mean Svenska Folktinget, which is a purely consultative body without any legislative power.

    It’s translated as the Swedish Assembly of Finland, but can also be referred to as a parliament. I never implied that it was anything other than a consultative body, or that it was the equal to the national parliament. But I think it’s significant that such a Swedish-language body exists in the first place.

    Also, there is only one national opera in Finland, that is a bilingual (mostly Finnish in its activities).

    My mistake, I meant the Swedish National Theatre.

    There is one, quite small, predominantly Swedish political party in the parliament (cf. Plaid Cymru or SNP in the UK) and one significant Swedish newspaper (Hufvudstadsbladet).

    The Swedish People’s Party may be relatively small, but they punch above their weight class politically. They were part of the governing coalition from 1979-2015.

    It’s my understanding that there are several Swedish-language newspapers and magazines in Finland, plus TV and radio stations.

    Historically Swedish was of course dominant in the public sphere, but it is a huge exaggeration to call early Fennoman (Finnish national) movement exclusively Swedish.

    I never said the Fennoman movement was exclusively Swedish, but as you yourself admit, most of the founders were in fact Swedish Finns, including its most significant figure, Johan Vilhelm Snellman.

    They would have never accepted a group called “Soldiers of Odin”.

    Probably because English wasn’t the universal lingua franca 150 years ago, plus the fact that the Afro-Islamic invasion of Finland could never even have been contemplated back then.

    It is also quite misleading to call Finland a province of Nordic council.

    I’m not insinuating that Finland is in any way subordinate to the other members of the Nordic Council. Only that Finland is a “province” of “Greater Scandinavia” in the same way that Sweden, Denmark, Norway and Iceland are.

    • Replies: @A Suomalainen
  21. If the state and the police won’t do their job (protecting its citizens), then the skinheads and bikers will step in. This will not be pretty.

  22. The lowest number I see there is for Mali, 48 per hundred thousand. I wouldn’t say that Mali is my notion of an exceptionally law-abiding country—but what do I know? I’ve never been to Mali.

    I’ve been to Mali, in the early 2000′s, and actually did find it remarkably law-abiding. Even in the capital city Bamako, there was no concern about pick-pocketing and you could leave valuables unattended. I always felt safe walking around the city even at night. This is not the case at all in other nearby African cities like Dakar, Senegal and Lagos, Nigeria. People in the rural areas in Mali were extremely friendly and non-threatening also.

    I even went to Timbuktu which was totally stable and peaceful at the time, but it was taken over by Islamists a year or two ago. They’ve since been driven out, not sure what the current situation is but I’m not sure I’d want to go there now. Even at the time I went there was a State Department warning about travelling in the desert north of Timbuktu because bandits from Algeria had kidnapped some tourists in that area.

  23. @jeppo

    I – more or less – agree with most of these “corrected” versions of your facts. With some of your opinions I still have to disagree, though.

    The name of these groups is not the greatest problem. The main problem is, that these tiny gangs of petty criminals are so reprehensible for the majority of Finns, that they are not part of the solution of current crisis but are seen as part of the problem. It is not only the “immigrants welcome” crowd that find those gangs scary, dubious and “Un-Finnish”. The wacky foreign name only adds an insulting – or maybe rather a comic – angle. Immigrant gangs and these “Soldiers of Odin” are seen as a part of the same phenomenon: the destabilization of public sphere. Actually, something like this would be a perfect “false flag” operation to discredit the legitimate opposition to mass immigration. It is completely ludicrous to think “Soldiers of Odin” as a sign of Finland “reclaiming” its (supposed) partially Germanic heritage.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Wizard of Oz
  24. Sean says:
    @Simon in London

    I think Lind follows Martin van Creveld in predicting a breakdown of the state system that reigned since the end of the Thirty Years War , but Brendan Simms says the Treaty of Westphalia (ushering a supposed age of untrammeled state sovereignty) was misunderstood. Lind has predicted that the German ‘culture of order’will find Muslim replacement level immigration intolerable. No real sign of that.

    The German authorities (who used water cannon and pepper spay on Pegida when they protested about Cologne) seen to be operating like the British polices, who ignored sex abuse by immigrants for decades. A Labour MP said things like Cologne are happening every week in Birmingham. The police in Sweden have also suppressed public knowledge of similar incidents. I think the police will find it easy to suppress the Sons of Odin patrols, and the public will be kept in the dark about what all these young male immigrants do to indigenous women.

    Finland may seem an d odd country but the weirdest state in Europe is Italy, which is fundamentally unstable. Check out their anti immigrant patrols https://euobserver.com/justice/27639

  25. Max Payne says:
    @Johnny Smoggins

    I think someone forgot about the rape and murder of a 14-year old Iraqi girl (and the slaughter of her entire family) by US ‘freedom-creating’ forces (who were given slaps on the wrist for it, if she was 12 maybe there would have been some serious charges…nah…..)

  26. A Labour MP said things like Cologne are happening every week in Birmingham.

    I think you misunderstood. She meant the Birmingham harassment was primarily carried out by whites, not Muslims. In other words, she implies misogyny not Islam is the real problem.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
  27. Hrw-500 says:

    Some linguists said then the Finnish language, the main language of the Finns, is part of the Uralic language family who’s indirectly linked to Indo-European by grouping it under superfamily languages like Indo-Uralic, Eurasiatic or Nostratic.

    • Replies: @Thirdeye
  28. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Wish we still had nazis like Pekka Siitoin around. He does claim that we’re Germanic (and Adolf Hitler is the forefather of us Germanics), calls upon Odin, the god of all Scandinavians, to lead us into eternal battle. Though he personally worshipped Lucifer.

    He was truly ahead of his time, condemning Sweden’s filthy refugee politics already 25 years ago.

    • Replies: @Shaikorth
  29. Shaikorth [AKA "Grels"] says:
    @Anonymous

    Ah yes. In case that video doesn’t make it obvious, the late mr. Siiton, his equally late associate Kristian Arje and their gang of ne’er–do–wells are the kind of “reprehensible” entities useful in false flagging “A Suomalainen” mentions above in the comments.

  30. grimsson says:

    Odinism is now the universal religion of the remaining European warriors, ergo, Soldiers of Odin. We are not cocksucking shitheads and cowards like the average white male of Europe, we will fight for our women and children and lands against all our enemies be they followers of the jew god or their arse licking puppets, politicians, the police, jounalists etc.

    Hail to the Hammer!!!

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Bill Jones
  31. grimsson says:
    @Max Payne

    US forces are fighting for the jew just like the media why would the msm say anything? The more arabs that die the better for eretz israhell.

    • Agree: Seamus Padraig
  32. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @grimsson

    Grimsson — Don’t forget, it was CHRISTIAN Europeans that stopped the Moslems at Vienna and Tours. Odin had nothing to do with it.

    As a fellow white man and the father of white children, I stand with you in your desire to survive. But don’t attack the “Jew” God who gave strength to your Christian Crusader forefathers. There’s no future in paganism.

    Also, there’s a strong correlation between Christian faith, and fertility. Pretty much the only whites who are having enough children to keep their culture going, are the Christians (Evangelicals, Amish, Old-school Catholics) and Christian offshoots (eg Mormons). If you want to save the white race — as I do! — you must first save its SOUL. The enhanced fertility comes as a happy side effect of living the Christian life.

    As CS Lewis said — Aim at Heaven, and you get the Earth thrown in, aim at the Earth and you get neither.

    • Replies: @Seamus Padraig
    , @melendwyr
  33. Big Bill says:
    @Johnny Smoggins

    A better approach: treat a Muslim woman exactly like you would treat a friendly middle-aged white lady. When you see them in a store (guarded by a male) walk up to them (ignoring the hovering male) and say, “Where did you get your ketchup? I looked in aisle three but all I found was mustard.”

    Any direct approach to his woman-flesh is a radical threat to Muslim male property rights. If you pick a zone that is covered by security cameras the store will record video of your innocuous interaction.

    Muslims are determined to turn us into a sexually segregated Muslim society. They want us to treat their female property as non-human and invisible. Any approach to a Muslim woman in the presence of her male owner, no matter how innocuous, is incredibly threatening.

    You will not be stabbed or shot, but you can expect him to overreact and (likely) grab your arm or push you away. And that, my friends, is assault and battery. All recorded on store cameras.

  34. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Johnny Smoggins

    Nah; Muslim women expect it. Useless.

  35. You wrote:

    “That would be like the U.S.A. taking in two million in one year.”

    That is what the USA has taken in each year for the past three decades!

    Not just the illegals, but the “refugees” and family visas and H-1B never leavers. How did we end up with almost a million Somalis? When I moved last year, the school wanted hard proof of residence for my kids, so the poor folks don’t try to send their kids to a better school a few miles away. But there is a migrant box one can check, then proof is not needed. No one wants to offend a foreign family who has never paid a cent in taxes by asking where they really live.

    There are nursing homes in California filled with non-English speaking foreigners recently imported by their loving green card holding families who put them on Medicaid for free care and checked “aged” for instant social security checks despite never having worked a day in the USA. In legal theory, their visa sponsor should be billed for this care for up to five years, in reality it’s a big joke. Meanwhile, food stamp help to millions of US born citizens was recently cut because of budget issues.

  36. @Max Payne

    Wow! That one event proves quite a pattern!

  37. Wally [AKA "BobbyBeGood"] says: • Website

    Those who’ve been duped like Derbyshire need to come to terms with irrefutable facts. They will never get past the usual enemies of free speech until they do.

    Note that European & Israeli laws ban free speech on the ‘holocaust’ storyline. We know why.

    There were the ‘Nazis’ with the mythological ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ and there were the ‘Nazis’ without the mythological ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’.

    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:
    http://www.codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:

    http://forum.codoh.com

    The ‘holocaust’ storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that crushes the freedom to seek the truth? Real truth needs no protection from scrutiny.

    The world is still waiting to actually see verified excavations of the allegedly known enormous mass graves. Think of the lie about 900,000 Jews supposedly buried at Treblinka, 34,000 at Babi Yar for starters.

    They just do exist. Not one as alleged.

    Note that European laws ban free speech on the ‘holocaust’ storyline. We know why.

  38. berserker says:

    “That was always VAINAMOINEN’s problem. He was a ladies man, but had terrible trouble getting the ladies.”
    - I like the guy. Now I know why he looks depressed in the accompanying illustration on the linked page.

  39. @Anonymous

    The problem with Christianity nowadays is that it’s been almost completely co-opted. The ‘mainline’ Christians are in thrall to multiculturalism (which is basically derived from the Frankfurt School Marxism invented by Jewish intellectuals), while the ‘hardline’ Evangelical and Pentacostal types have been almost entirely co-opted by overt Zionism (‘endtimes’, ‘rapture’, etc.). The only tiny exceptions I can think of might be the Pius X Catholics or the Christian Identity movement. But even there, it only raises the question of why we must forever show fealty to some Jewish (monotheistic) God, which even the majority of Jews themselves no longer believe in.

    Don’t get me wrong; I have nothing against it if you want to go to your church and do your thing. Personally, I don’t believe in that metaphysical stuff myself, but I don’t think it should be banned. But politically speaking, why can’t we just have science and pride in our race?

  40. utu says:
    @A Suomalainen

    Obviously it is “a perfect “false flag” operation to discredit the legitimate opposition to mass immigration.”

  41. JamesG says:

    To nitpick, Finland is not Scandinavian.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavia

    Solution: call it “Nordic.”

    • Agree: Bill Jones
  42. MarkinLA says:
    @Max Payne

    This is why you don’t send out 18 year old boys to fight in foreign shit holes in bizarre roles where they break into houses in the middle of the night and are surrounded by people who hate them that they cannot treat like the enemy.

    An army is supposed to march forward and kill everything in it’s path presumed to be a threat and make sure everybody behind it is too scared to lift a finger.

    I don’t blame the soldiers, I blame our leaders.

  43. @Wally

    They just do exist.

    Freudian slip?

  44. Felix. says:

    So I read the article, but I’m still confused as to why the existence of these “Soldiers of Odin” should be looked on unfavorably, as the author suggests. What is the better option, that the foreign invaders be allowed to grope, rape, and harass the natives with no response or opposition whatsoever?

    Before the rapefugees arrived in Finland, the “Soldiers of Odin” did not exist. Now that the rapefugees are there, the existence of the Soldiers of Odin is a wonderful development. May their ranks grow.

  45. joe webb says:
    @Wally

    how has Derbyshire been “duped?” Please be specific.

    A friend of a friend just returned from Stockholm. Spent 4 days there. Says a sea change has occurred since his last visit a year ago.

    Counter-revolution is in the air.

    Joe Webb

  46. @A Suomalainen

    My stopover in Helsinki between St Petersburg and Rome a few years ago was constrained by the terms of my round the world ticket to 24 hours but it was fascinating in many ways. One was the thoughts prompted by a museum exhibition focused on the early 20th century in what was then part of the Czar’s domain as The Grand Duchy of Finland. How, I put to you and Jeppo does that Russian rule and influence fit in with the Swedish rule and influence?

    It must have been the quintessence of provincialism 100 years ago. I recall reading in the museum exhibition that exhibitions had come from Moscow and St Petersburg of Kandinsky and Chagall and that not one sold though it later appeared that two paintings by, I think, Chagall never went home to the Russian dealers. One wonders whether some attention had been diverted to events on the Somme, or maybe in Galicia. It was, after all, July 1916.

    • Replies: @A Suomalainen
  47. When Finland–Finland!!–has to deal with Mideast dirt bags then you know that we’re in trouble .

    But, we haven’t reached the end of our rope yet. That’ll happen in another country. Ireland.

    When they build a mosque on O’Connell Square, that’s when you’ll know it’s over.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
  48. AndrewR says:
    @FirkinRidiculous

    False flag, maybe not. Stupid, absolutely.

    Like Derb pointed out, Odin isn’t their god and English isn’t their language. What exactly do they seek to preserve?

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  49. @Big Bill

    It would technically be assault (if you saw the shove coming) and battery (when you are touched without consent), but do you expect there to be a criminal prosecution? Do you plan to get names and sue civilly? I agree, irritating the Muslims is worth something, but I don’t see this going anywhere else.

    Public policy along the lines of the late Larry Auster’s article: “A Real Policy for Islam” (or something like that, check his still-existing website) is a better approach.

  50. AndrewR says:
    @FirkinRidiculous

    Doesn’t seem hard to figure out. Organized by rowdy invaders using social media on the phones which are ubiquitous among them. They are from lands where might makes right. German might is dormant at best, hence the mass display of dominance by the manlier invaders.

  51. AndrewR says:
    @FirkinRidiculous

    Is Muslim a color or is white a religion?

  52. AndrewR says:
    @Big Bill

    You’d walk up to a strange “white” couple and ask the female a question while completely ignoring the male? I doubt anyone would like that.

  53. AndrewR says:
    @Connecticut Famer

    Catholicism has been kosher for generations. Look what they did to Father Coughlin.

    Plus Ireland isn’t even remotely catholic anymore. They ordain literally only a single digit number of priests each year in the entire country, plus they were the first land to legalize gay marriage by popular vote. The only thing stopping the invasion is the relative poverty compared to protestant lands. Once they fill up then [formerly] Catholic Europe is next.

  54. melendwyr says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    What possible future is there in Christianity? Most people have caught on that it’s not historically true or accurate regarding its claims about human nature. And it’s not even especially aesthetically interesting.

    Given the choice between false religions, people will choose the ones they like best. And the old pagan religions are generally a lot more interesting, even if it’s merely greener grass on the fence’s other side.

  55. @grimsson

    “Odinism is now the universal religion of the remaining European warriors, ergo, Soldiers of Odin. ”

    Onanism is now the universal religion of the remaining European warriors, ergo, Soldiers of Onan.

    FTFY

  56. MarkinLA says:
    @AndrewR

    Well almost every white person knows about Odin and many speak some English. It was probably chosen for maximum publicity ability. Europeans ranting against their stupid EU policies routinely create You-Tubes in English because they know it will reach the most people in Europe rather than putting it in their own language.

    I doubt they are trying to preserve anything. Most likely they want a reaction from the government such that the government takes the side of rapists and welfare moochers against native Finns.

  57. But once in a while there’s good news
    “Refugees Go Clubbing In Russia, Harass Girls, Wake Up In Hospital The Next Morning”

    http://dailycaller.com/2016/02/04/refugees-go-clubbing-in-russia-harass-girls-wake-up-in-hospital-the-next-morning/

  58. gdpbull says:

    I admit I haven’t read all the comments. Maybe someone else has already mentioned this, but Finland was ruled over by Sweden for a long time, and their population is very Swedish, genetically speaking. So yes, they ARE Germanic.

    • Replies: @Shaikorth
  59. Thirdeye says:
    @Hrw-500

    Uralic may include Dravidian (Tamil) and Japanese as well as Finnish and Estonian. Similar in grammar and agglutinative use of morphemes. Most likely language isolates surviving the expansion of Indo-European and Turko-Mongolic families throughout central Asia.

    • Replies: @5371
  60. 5371 says:
    @Thirdeye

    You don’t know what a language isolate is.

  61. Shaikorth [AKA "Grels"] says:
    @gdpbull

    The Germanic contacts there are older than Swedish or Old Norse.

    http://www.academia.edu/3505633/The_Prehistoric_Germanic_Loanword_Strata_in_Finnic

    But having such contacts or even much more recent contacts doesn’t mean adopting a Germanic identity. Think of the Irish especially, but also Czech etc.

  62. @Wizard of Oz

    I try to answer your question, although art history is not my strong suit. Finnish national movement had by the beginning of 20th century already been divided into two currents: so called “Constitutionalists”(perustuslailliset) and “Old Finns”(vanhasuomalaiset). For the Constitutionalists the most important goal was to preserve old, originally Swedish legal system of autonomous Grand Duchy and take part in passive (and sometimes active) resistance against the “Russification” policy. The Old Finns were willing to cooperate with the Russian central government for the goal of total Fennification of the Finnish society. So, for the “Constitutionalists” the main problem was the Russian central government and its Russification policy and for the Old Finns the remaining vestiges of former Swedish domination.

    Therefore Finnish nationalist artists – famous examples being Jean Sibelius, Eliel Saarinen, Eino Leino, I.K. Inha, Pekka Halonen, and Akseli Gallen-Kallela – whether they were politically “Constitutionalists” or ” Old Finns” tried to find some cultural models that were neither Russian nor Swedish. On the one hand, they turned to Continental Europe and its new artistic movements (many of them spent much time in Paris, Berlin, Vienna and Italy). On the other hand they were fascinated by Finnish mythology, Kalevala and Finnish coutryside. Also Eastern Karelia was an important inspiration for them. Eastern Karelia was seen as place where primitive and “original” Finnish (or rather Finnic) culture had survived for centuries “untainted” by European influences. Many of them made journeys, almost like “pilgrimages”, to Karelia and Eastern parts of Finland.

  63. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @edNels

    I think the notion that Scandinavians are coddled is a bit naive. I’ve spent perhaps 1/5th of my adult life there. My view is that the liberal welfare state is simply a reaction by the plebs to an extremely arrogant landowning upper class. Indeed, Swedes are quite hard on each other regardless of class. They are spoiled in the sense that they can count on a roof over their head and food. However, they can also count, most of them, on feeling isolated and sneered at. Most Swedes, in my experience, long to be envied. This, perhaps, because they’ve spent so much of their life envying others. Swedes themselves often enough refer to theirs as an envy culture. To be Avundsjuk is a common illness. At the same time they realize envy brings nemesis. The appropriate indicator of a Scandinavian’s social health is this: Do they appear to feel smug? If so, so good.

    • Replies: @edNels
  64. edNels [AKA "geoshmoe"] says:
    @Anonymous

    Well, I admit to exaggeration. I am trying to make some point, and accentuating different things, is a kind of place keeping method. I guess to make comments, is something one does ”on the run”, so, it may be ok, not to go through further stages of proof reading and editing etc.

    But above, I was harboring a nagging sense that what makes the scands, and northern Europeans stand out, is there homogenous sameness and cultural exclusiveness.

    So, to shed that exclusion, and open up the gates to not just all of Europe, but to North Africa, and not just the ”trickle” that has been already a good ”pour”, but open the flood gates, and officially, openly concertedly.

    Your Swedes will have more to feel insecure about than that silly navel gazing type of thing you mention. There tidy quaint towns will be overflowing with homeless illiterate scamps. They’ve been raping and murdering for decades under the eyes of all.

    There must be some kind of impossible liberal gene there is really suicidal, Captain Freud’s Death Instinct. Which he invented for this purpose! (I wonder if Altzmon would agree with me, on that, visevise statements he made on cultural symbiosis, if you follow that.)

  65. And oh, lookie, no-one saw this coming, did they?

    https://www.rt.com/news/332282-child-brides-denmark-refugees/


    Danish imam urges govt to accept child marriages among refugees

  66. RobRich says: • Website
    @Svigor

    Libertarians have done plenty of studies. You’re just not interested in GOOGLING them.

  67. Just keep in mind we Americans don’t see a fraction of what goes on Europe. The media, here and there covers up everything they can for the narrative they share.

    These Sons of Odin get press because the media thinks they set a bad example for anti-invasion forces, They don’t but the media isn’t as smart as it thinks.

    Even in this lockdown stories still get out though and from what I’ve read there is a tremendous amount of action against the invaders, far more than we ever have in the US.

    Its almost all property damage at this time but thus far its all most dare, not out of fear of reprisal but of fear of turning Europe into a continent wide bloodbath with ethnic overtones. Again .

    Things are very dicey there now with WW3 on the horizon, the US becoming unreliable and Europeans, especially northern ones having a low time preference will work slowly and carefully.

    Also re: Odinism. Why not? Christianity is not native to Europe and while its older forms were warlike and mighty, the current forms are the source of the rot. Christianity is a dying ideology in Europe and if Odinism or whatever heathenish thing gives people a the forms of faith and a bit of backbone, why not?

    The native Finnish faith also provides spiritual substance for some though its less warlike save for Turisas (like the band) the war god

    As it time of war and many Finns are part of the Nordic peoples it makes sense to seek out a warlike God. Also Odin implies a bit of reckless abandon which is intimidating. Turisas is more akin to Tyr

  68. DanC says:
    @jeppo

    Ummm … We need a correction here.

    Can you guys read? Take a look at the photo!

    The group calls themselves Soldiers of Odin, not “Sons of Odin.” They’ve founded chapters all over Scandanavia & Germany, have founded several chapters in France, Hungary, and even one in Brussels- and they now have 2 chapters in stogy, polite Canada (Regina and Vancouver!) Do a google on “Soldiers of Odin USA” if you’d like to get an eyeful of how big they are in the United States already.

    English has become the world lingua franca, and it’s actually a very practical move for the organization to use English on their gear. Watch these guys. They’re far more serious, far more organized, and far more popular, than is being reported by the namby-pamby liberal media who wish they would go away.

    I think this is developing into a grassroots movement much like the Brexit/Trump/Le Pen electoral shifts.

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