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See previous incidents under the tag “White Guy Loses His Job”

Culture hero of the week was surely investment guru and gold bug Marc Faber, proprietor of the Gloom, Boom & Doom market newsletter.

I can’t afford a subscription to that periodical— it’s $300 a year— but of course, as a fellow pessimist, I follow Mr. Faber’s pronouncements with keen attention when I can get them for free.

In the latest issue of that newsletter, Mr. Faber committed the following thing:

Thank God white people populated America, and not the blacks. Otherwise, the US would look like Zimbabwe, which it might look like one day anyway, but at least America enjoyed 200 years in the economic and political sun under a white majority.

‘Dr. Doom’ Faber: ‘Thank God white people populated America’, by Jeff Cox,CNBC.com, October 17, 2017

Faber also passed comment on the matter of Confederate statues, which was September’s nationwide moral panic, October’s being of course the Harvey Weinstein business. Those statues are, he said, “of honourable people whose only crime was to defend what all societies had done for more than 5,000 years: keep a part of the population enslaved.”

Much shrieking and swooning ensued. CNBC, Fox News, and Bloomberg, all of whom had been using Faber as a talking head for years, said he would no longer be an invited guest on their business programs. As of Thursday at least five companies have dropped him from their boards, a loss of annual income to Faber of around half a million dollars.

Faber is unrepentant. In email exchanges with the Toronto Globe and Mail, he defended himself very robustly: “Why should I regret stating historic facts?” Asked about those corporate boards dropping him, he sniffed that

If saying what I said leads to these consequences I prefer not to be on these boards … I think the corporate world is now run by compliance people. In this context I understand their firing me.

Investor Marc Faber stands by racist remarks as corporate boards cut ties, by Niall McGee Globe and Mail, October 18, 2017

Faber even had the effrontery to own the “r” word, replying to an email query from a CNBC reporter airily that, quote: “If stating some historical facts makes me a racist, then I suppose that I am a racist,” end quote.

That kind of obstinacy in defiance of Western society’s most holy dogmas of course just baffled the guardians of orthodoxy. Doesn’t Faber know he’s supposed to weep, grovel, and flagellate himself?

Here is someone named Richard Leblanc, associate professor of law, governance and ethics at York University in Toronto. Asked by the Globe and Mail for a comment on Faber’s refusing to apologize and even doubling-down on his remarks, Professor Leblanc [Email him] honked that “His reaction is odd. It actually makes it worse.”

In best Soviet style, some Goodthinkers wondered whether Faber was suffering some kind of mental impairment, perhaps under the influence of narcotics. To that our hero replied: “Since I have only taken cocaine three times and marijuana about ten times in seventy years, I did not think these were appropriate comments.”

It goes without saying that we at VDARE.com heartily approves of Marc Faber, of both his original comments and his refusal to back down from them. In hopes of encouraging more such acts of ideological defiance, let’s see if we can uncover some causes for Faber’s.

I can finger three possible causes without thinking very hard.

  • Number one, he’s Swiss.

The Swiss don’t always get a good press (remember Orson Welles in The Third Man? “You know what the fellow said – in Italy, for thirty years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love, they had five hundred years of democracy and peace – and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock.”) But like mountain peoples everywhere, the Swiss have a streak of prickly orneriness that no amount of soft lowland living can erase. If I hadn’t known anything about the person in this story but had been asked to guess his provenance, I would have guessed Swiss, or Scottish, or Carpathian, or Afghan, or Appalachian.

Mountain people— gotta love ’em.

If you don’t, they’ll cut your throat.

  • Number two, Faber lives in Thailand.

That’s in Asia, where people snicker and roll their eyes at the Western World’s Race Denialism. Here’s one event Marc Faber has not been dropped from: next month’s World Wealth Creation Conference. Organizers of the conference have confirmed that Faber will speak as scheduled. Where will this conference take place? Singapore!

  • Number three, Faber is a geezer, 71 years old; just nine months younger than me.

I can relate. Come to think of it, I could relate, or at any rate understand, sixteen years ago, when I wrote the following thing concerning the late Senator Robert Byrd‘s use of the N-word on nationwide TV:

There is also the simple fact that when you are old, you don’t much care what anybody thinks about your opinions. You know that your own little show is nearing the end of its run. Soon you will be out of it all, and soon thereafter, unless you were very extraordinary in some way, you and your opinions will be utterly forgotten. You fall into the dull solipsism expressed by the sage in Rasselas

“Praise … is to an old man an empty sound. I have neither mother to be delighted with the reputation of her son, nor wife to partake of the honors of her husband. I have outlived my friends and my rivals. Nothing is now of much importance; for I cannot extend my interest beyond myself. Youth is delighted with applause, because it is considered as the earnest of some future good, and because the prospect of life is far extended: but to me, who am now declining to decrepitude, there is little to be feared from the malevolence of men, and yet less to be hoped from their affection and esteem. Something they may yet take away, but they can give me nothing.”

Samuel Johnson, by the way, was 49 when he wrote Rasselas— to pay for his mother’s funeral.

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John Derbyshire [email him] writes an incredible amount on all sorts of subjects for all kinds of outlets. (This no longer includes National Review, whose editors had some kind of tantrum and fired him. ) He is the author of We Are Doomed: Reclaiming Conservative Pessimism and several other books. He has had two books published by VDARE.com com:FROM THE DISSIDENT RIGHT (also available in Kindle) and FROM THE DISSIDENT RIGHT II: ESSAYS 2013.

(Republished from VDare by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Not bad – for a “geezer.”

    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
  2. Realist says:

    Marc Faber’s comments were absolutely correct.

    • Replies: @SMK
    , @Wally
  3. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Very refreshing!

  4. Clyde says:

    I like Marc Farber and have seen his economic remarks for years. btw Your analysis of geezer psychology also applies to John McCaine.

    • Replies: @Quartermaster
  5. @Fran Macadam

    “IF” America had been founded and built by Africans?…But,surely,it was,wasn’t it?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  6. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Better a ‘geezer’ than a ‘groveller’.

  7. Brabantian says: • Website

    Marc Faber has long been one of the most entertaining blokes on the financial websites. Starting with the one up top of this article, the photos of Marc Faber’s Chiang Mai, Thailand home are interesting …tho it is curious why he had a toilet installed in a large open living area … as is suggested, I guess he just ‘doesn’t give a shite’

    And speaking of fancy toilet fixtures, remember in the early ‘financial crisis’ days, when taxpayers found they had subsidised elite banking CEO John Thain re-modelling his office costing $1.2 million … including a luxe $35,000 commode (toilet) ‘with legs’ … a memorable foul-mouthed vulgar rant on this was done by Kevin who used to be known as YouTuber ‘wallstreetpro’ … hilarious 6 minutes NSFW (not safe for work), previously censored but re-posted

  8. I would have preferred he said

    “If stating some historical facts makes me a racist, then perhaps being a racist is not such a bad thing.

    Or

    “If stating some historical facts makes me a racist, then what makes someone an anti-racist?

    • Replies: @GourmetDan
  9. Mr. Faber has been featured on Zerohedge for many years now. It wasn’t just about his financial advise, which doesn’t interest me at all. (No matter how smart the guy is, theres’a a good chance you will still lose your ass following any financial advisor – they have the big money to take risks with and you don’t.) However, Marc Faber’s Gloom, Boom, and Doom talk fit in very will with Zerohedge’s all-negativity all-the-time (mostly correct) views. ZH had videos of the guy, excerpts from his newsletters, and mentions of him all the time back in the past (when they were more finance-oriented).

    It was very disheartening to read ZH’s intitial post about Faber’s simple truthful statement in his own newsletter. “Tyler Durden”, the “Fight Club” (First rule of fight club – you don’t talk about how bad the movie sucks!) really wimped out and wrote in the same self-righteous, smug, gloating, and scornful manner that cnbc, and all the Lyin’ Press would.

    Shame, shame on zerohedge.com! No matter how much they exaggerated on to the negative lots of the time on financial matters, I had learned a lot from them over a number of years. They had seemed truthful and completely un-PC. I don’t trust them as much after that one post.

    The ZH commenters are another story. There was no backing down from them either. They are the best commenters on the web, in my opinion.

  10. macilrae says:

    You can say these things almost anywhere in the world except in the USA, Canada and most of Western Europe (excluding Spain and Italy where it’s fine). You can say it out of the corner of your mouth in Australia too (yes, yes, even Austria Donald). Anywhere in Asia is fine – Africa? Possibly better not.

    Linh Dinh’s remark of yesterday is still fresh in my mind:

    For noticing and saying the obvious, many Vietnamese have paid a very high price.

    which of course we can generalize.

  11. @Clyde

    The best explanation for John McCain is he is mentally ill. He got that way in the Hanoi Hilton and has never recovered.

  12. “His reaction is odd. It actually makes it worse.”

    Actually, it just makes it harder for the SJWs to combat him. They simply have no idea to handle such people. They have the same problems with Vox Day, and others like him.

  13. Pat Boyle says:

    How much longer can this obsession with the so called ‘evils of racism’ endure?

    As it happens I looked up the definition of racism yesterday. there were several threads to the definition but one that seemed to be common was the belief that some race was better than some or most of the others. But that’s true – isn’t it?

    Perhaps a century ago someone might have believed that all the races could run equally fast, In the nineteenth century you might entertain the idea that whites were faster runners because they run a lot of races. Or you might have imagined that blacks were better runners as the British in the movie ‘Zulu’ did. But today we have the results of thousands of races conducted under all sorts of conditions and in all sorts of places. We now know with great certainty that West Africans are the fastest sprinters and East Africans the fastest in the distance races.

    There is no room for doubt anymore. Africans are superior runners. How can we then still entertain the notion of equality?

    So it is for every skill and talent. If we know anything about a particular attribute that has any racial differences – and they all seem to have racial differences – we will understand that one race is always better at something and others worse.

    Of course you could say that no one cares about running but in fact baseball, basketball and football are all overrepresented by people of African descent largely because they are better runners. Possession of ‘good wheels’ is worth millions to the individuals who have that trait.

    Asians are good at living in large communities. They commit few crimes and almost no violent crimes. This phenomenon is as well established as African running ability. In this important contributor to civilization Asians ability to be peaceful and cooperative marks them as superior. This cannot be doubted by any honest person.

    The arrow of time shoots down all the pretenses leftists have about racial equality. Every year the evidence accumulates – the races differ. It is perverse to pretend it is otherwise.

    • Agree: Capn Mike
    • Replies: @botazefa
    , @Stonehands
  14. Oldeguy says:

    Thank you Derb.
    This goes beyond being merely yet another PC atrocity story because of the truly marvelous Samuel Johnston quote.
    That freedom from really caring two hoots about what others think or say of you is enormously liberating and I pity the young upon whom that fear weighs most heavily.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  15. MBlanc46 says:
    @Quartermaster

    Or he is a shill for the millionaires and billionaires.

    • Replies: @Otto Zeit
    , @MBlanc46
  16. I dream of a country where a white male won’t get fired for accurately stating FBI statistics.

  17. Having befriended and also having also been fairly well acquainted with several service brats, John McCain’s personality is, in my experience, typical of that of service brats who, deprived of stability of neighborhood, school, church, playmates, youth groups and such throughout their rootless childhood, strive mightily yet clumsily to fit in with their rooted chronological peers, but often have a hard time fitting in because the demeanor and customs of those who grew up and were raised, rooted in stability are alien to the service brat. The service brat overcompensates by going to extremes to try to fit in: this is what I see John McCain trying to do in his attempts to align himself with and to keep himself current in and relevant to the zeitgeist. As Tom Wolfe pointed out, the biggest sin for Americans is being “left behind,” and in that respect the service brat performs prodigies of excess in trying not to be left out or “left behind.” McCain shows this in his excessive zeal for the “proposition nation” shibboleth.

    The same personality trait of the rootless outsider striving awkwardly to fit in among the rooted is also obvious in the scions of cosmopolitan wealth and privilege – yes, even in Donald J. Trump, but also in George W. Bush and, in his own peculiar way, in Barack Hussein Obama: like the service brat, the child of cosmopolitan wealth and privilege is with us but is not of us, so that these alienated persons’ attempts to force their overweening zealotry upon us fail to resonate with the great mass of the rooted us. (The other side of the rootless cosmopolitan coin is the insistence of the cosmopolitan that by dint of his having “been all around,” he “knows better” than the ordinary person: in short, hauteur – see, for example, William Kristol, Tom Friedman, Barack Obama, Jeb Bush, inter al.)

    Donald Trump’s powerful appeal came by way of his campaign language which was of us, even though his post-inauguration behavior shows that he is with us yet is not wholly of us, as since his inauguration he’s been trying in his outsider way to fit in with the creatures of the Permanent State/E$tabli$ment $wamp (many of whom are also rootless cosmopolitans) while trying to maintain his “of us” image/appeal. In short, Trump’s “of us” gut is in the right place but it’s in constant tension against his rootless cosmopolitan trait of trying to fit in among whichever group he becomes a member of.

    Marc Faber, whose is himself something of a rootless cosmopolitan, is, among his ilk, a rare bird in what Steve Sailer calls “Noticing” – noticing that the cosmopolitan shibboleth of the “blank slate” (which also underlies the “proposition nation” cant) is vacant.

    • Replies: @Truth
  18. How much longer can this obsession with the so called ‘evils of racism’ endure?

    How long did medieval priests believe all kinds of things that were absurd on their face?

    People will continue to believe this tripe up to minute that society forces them to change their minds. So long as a society functions, it will stick with its belief system. We’re a long way off from the upper-middle class people feeling the pain of this belief system.

    Will our belief system (everybody is equal) eventually lead to this society not functioning well enough that we change our belief system? Yes. Will that happen anytime soon? Not likely, although I have to admit that cracks in the dam are showing up faster than I would have expected.

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @renfro
    , @AM
  19. @GamecockJerry

    Hungary? Poland?

    I’m assuming that the government will fix this problem by simply having the FBI stop gathering certain statistics by race?

  20. Marc Faber lives in Thailand with his Thai wife. He is another “Derbyshire degenerate.”

    • Replies: @Truth
  21. I really doubt that the United States would look like Zimbabwe if it had been founded by Africans. Not sure they could have managed to build the ships necessary and then sailed them to America in the first place, but had they done so and the natives had not killed them off (a distinct possibility) the nation they formed would have looked more like Nigeria. Or maybe Haiti. Lots of West Africans. The Zimbabweans look different. Although I would expect they would be ruled by some despot with a title of President-for-Life who would then pass the title down to his son upon his demise. And the military would consist of a group of young men with machine guns mounted in the truck beds of Japanese pick up trucks. Or bows and arrows in the back of a horse drawn wagon, back in the day. Can you imagine them trying to colonize North Dakota?

  22. fish says:
    @Quartermaster

    The best explanation for John McCain is he is mentally ill. He got that way in the Hanoi Hilton and has never recovered.

    That may be true to some extent. I think it’s more likely that he has been a creature of DC for so long he doesn’t see himself as John McCain (R-AZ) any longer he sees himself as John McCain (R-Face down in Chuck Schumers lap).

    The poster child for term limits…..or perhaps simply euthanasia!

  23. Corvinus says:
    @Father O'Hara

    ““IF” America had been founded and built by Africans?…But,surely,it was,wasn’t it?”

    A great part of America was built on the slave labor of blacks.

  24. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus

    A great part of America was built on the slave labor of blacks.

    Not really, a drag on the engine of commerce. Were and are.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  25. Zimriel says: • Website

    “No man but a blockhead ever wrote, except for money.” — Dr Johnson

  26. Wally says:
    @Corvinus

    No it wasn’t, otherwise you would tell us what it was that they supposedly ‘founded & built’.

    • Replies: @Anon
  27. Wally says: • Website
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    How long did / has belief in witchcraft & sorcery gone on?

    How long will belief in the laughably absurd & impossible ’6M Jews, 5M others & gas chambers’ go on?

    How long do religions last?

    http://www.codoh.com

  28. Corvinus says:
    @anonymous

    “Not really, a drag on the engine of commerce. Were and are.”

    In reality, black slavery fueled American commerce and propelled Europe’s rise to global economic dominance. “Free labor” aided in the amassing the capital that financed the Industrial Revolution.

    You are not THAT ignorant…

    • Replies: @Client 9
    , @El Dato
    , @Malla
    , @Truth
  29. botazefa says:
    @Pat Boyle

    Racism is about the belief that one race is superior to another. Some races (as a group) are faster runners, some better at maths, some better at retaining tribalism. None of those truths provide evidence of group superiority, and by inference the right to dominate. “All men are created equal,” as an ideal, reasonably addresses the problem.

    Marc Faber’s comment is a presumption and not a fact. It is highly likely that his Zimbabwe comparison could have been true, but it isn’t and so he is engaging in speculation. It is the framing of his speculation that landed him in hot water. That and our PC culture that seems to think white men are the embodiment of pure evil.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  30. @Anon

    Define “built.” Black slaves did provide some muscle to build the White House and the U.S. Capitol, but, then, so did horses. Saying black slaves helped build the White House is like saying horses helped build the White House.

    Neither black nor beast were needed outside of their muscle.

    #HorseLivesMatter

    • Replies: @Truth
  31. @Oldeguy

    Agreed, Oldeguy. But I’m not all that young and I still know that speaking politely but frankly about political and social issues — without even mentioning race — would get me disciplined, possibly fired, and possibly effectively blacklisted in much of my field.

    I’d expand your correct statement to include anyone, of any age, who is neither wealthy nor retired. In certain fields and in many cities in particular, we are at the mercy of people in charge of hiring, promotion, and firing who actively hate us, our values, and our conception of our country and lives.

    • Replies: @JackOH
    , @Thea
    , @gp
  32. @Corvinus

    According to Wiki, 86% of the total 305,000 slaves were brought to America between the years 1750 and 1825. By the census of 1860 slaves numbered 4,000,000 out of a population of 31,000,000 that’s 1 out of 8.

    9 million persons lived in the South, 22 million in the North.

    Now slavery is not a profitable way of running an enterprise taken as a whole. The economy of the South was less productive man for man than that of the North but let’s set that aside for a moment.

    Slaves, if they were as productive as Northern freemen, would have produced 1/8th of the nation’s GDP for 115 (1750-1865) years of its 400 year history (1620–2020). Now 115 is 0.2875 of 400. 1/8th of 0.2875 = 0.036%. In other words, assuming that the productivity of the nation’s economy has remained the same for 400 years (NOT) then slaves contributed only 1/28th of the Nation’s wealth. A far cry from your assertion that “America was built on the slave labor of blacks”.

    Now, we assumed that productivity remained constant but this is not true. Since 1865 productivity has increased roughly 2% per year which for 152 years means that the economy is 20 times more productive today than it was in 1865. The average during that time would be 20/2 = 10. So we must divide 1/28 by 10 to arrive at the real contribution of slaves. That equals 0.0036. So there it is.

    Slavery accounts for 3.6 one thousandths of America’s current wealth. Only one dollar out of 278 in our economy was generated by slave labor.

    I hope this puts to rest your entirely spurious argument that black slaves accounted for any significant proportion of America’s current wealth.

    But frankly, I doubt that it will make a dent in your impenetrable, intractable ignorance.

  33. Client 9 says:
    @Corvinus

    John Elliott Cairnes, an economist, reckoned that slavery stifled economic growth in the South. Cairnes argued that reluctant workers depleted soils more quickly. In addition, scientific agriculture was impossible. Reluctant slaves, with little interest in learning, had no interest in using new farming techniques. And this meant that Southern farms lost competitiveness to their Northern counterparts.  

    Others reckon that slavery made it difficult for the South to establish trading networks. According to Ralph Anderson and Robert Gallman, slavery forced planters to diversify their economic activities.

    The costs of owning a slave—such as food and shelter—were pretty constant. And so if plantations specialised in a certain crop, they left themselves open to sudden drops in income and consequently big losses. But by pursuing a range of economic activities, they had a steadier revenue flow to match their fixed costs.    

    Diversification posed problems. Messrs Anderson and Gallman argue that it inhibited trade within the South—and, consequently, the development of towns and villages. Slaveowners found it easier to produce something themselves, rather than buy it. And the South found it difficult to develop a manufacturing industry—instead, it depended on imports from the North. As a result, economic growth was stifled.  

    Slavery hindered the development of Southern capitalism in other ways. Eugene Genovese, writing in 1961, reckoned that the antebellum South was not profit-seeking. In fact, slavery was not even meant to be profitable. Slaveowners were keener on flaunting their vast plantations and huge reserves of slaves than they were about profits and investment. Rational economic decisions were sacrificed for pomp and circumstance. 

    Economies which used slavery may, in the long run, have been at a disadvantage. Some analyses suggest that the economic contradictions of slavery led to its inevitable demise.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  34. @ThreeCranes

    Corvinus doesn’t do numbers.

    He’s a PR hack. He’ll parse words, change the subject, answer a different question, etc.

    You’re wasting your breath. He’s not here for discussion. He’s here to win a case for a guilty client. Hey, it’s a living.

  35. @ThreeCranes

    I don’t think I needed to find average gain in productivity. It’s just flat overall gain. So slave contribution would be (1/28) / 20 = 1 in 560 dollars of America’s current GDP was contributed by negro slaves.

    Looked at another way; blacks have contributed far more to our economy since 1865 than they did before as slaves. This is true not only because of the gain in productivity per man hour worked but also because they have grown disproportionately relative to whites since the end of the Civil War (and this including exclusively white immigration for much of that period!). Of course, this leaves as moot the issue of whether black contributions have been offset by black unemployability, legal costs due to their disproportionate criminality and transfer payments for e.g. single mothers.

    Still, the “blacks built this nation’s economy as slaves” argument is dead.

  36. @ThreeCranes

    Blacks are no more responsible for “building” this country than horses. Both were used for muscle.

    We need affirmative action for horses! The white man has kept horses down too long. The fact that horses don’t speak or form civilizations is due to white racism! If only whites would let go of their hate, horses would achieve at our level.

    #HorseLivesMatter

  37. @Corvinus

    Blacks were beasts of burden, like horses, mules and oxen, and are now obsolete.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @Truth
  38. Corvinus says:
    @Client 9

    Your entire response came word for word from this source.

    https://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2013/09/economic-history-2

    Next time, link to it rather than appear to take credit for writing it.

    Regardless, the article is balanced, as it looks at both sides of the financial equation. This 19th century author wrote a seminal work during the Civil War that convinced Great Britain not to back the Confederacy because he theorized that slavery would become economically unfeasible. However, slavery in the 1850′s had economically THRIVED. Plantation owners wanted to expand it into places where they knew cotton agriculture would not be dominant. There were mining and construction opportunities, and they casted covetous eyes upon the Caribbean as a place where America’s manifest destiny would expand the slaveholders’ paradise.

    Indeed, as the cost to maintain slavery increased, large plantation owners began to wonder whether those rising prices would close the doors of slave ownership to their fellow smaller plantation owners, who, being excluded from political participation, might come to resent the power of the slaveholding oligarchy. Exactly the reason why Hinton Rowan Helper’s The Impending Crisis produced such controversy, because he offered a class analysis of slaveholding society based on haves versus have-nots among southern whites.

  39. Corvinus says:
    @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    “Blacks were beasts of burden, like horses, mules and oxen, and are now obsolete.”

    Actually, your line of thinking is obsolete.

  40. Corvinus says:
    @ThreeCranes

    Your “argument” focuses on the sustainability of southern slavery and seems rather simplistic given the history of GDP, (wikipedia) “The history of the concept of GDP should be distinguished from the history of changes in ways of estimating it. The value added by firms is relatively easy to calculate from their accounts, but the value added by the public sector, by financial industries, and by intangible asset creation is more complex. These activities are increasingly important in developed economies, and the international conventions governing their estimation and their inclusion or exclusion in GDP regularly change in an attempt to keep up with industrial advances. In the words of one academic economist ‘”The actual number for GDP is therefore the product of a vast patchwork of statistics and a complicated set of processes carried out on the raw data to fit them to the conceptual framework.’”

    When we look at the impact of slavery on the economy of the 13 Colonies, most notably the South, in the 1600 and 1700′s, clearly a great part of America was built on the slave labor of blacks. During this time period New England ship captains, merchants, bankers, and insurance companies earned money from southern plantation operations; commodities like sails, cloth goods, and foodstuffs were bought and sold. Slaveholding was the primary road for white upward mobility in the southern colonies. As a result, the free labor provided by slavery was critical to the development of industry in Europe and later the United States.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
  41. Svigor says:

    A great part of America was built on the labor of blacks.

    If true, then slavery was a good thing. But it’s not; cotton and your wife’s sexual gratification aren’t a great part of America.

    But slavery does represent the high water mark of blacks’ contribution to civilization.

    John Elliott Cairnes, an economist, reckoned that slavery stifled economic growth in the South.

    Most of these guys know nothing of HBD or its relationship to disease resistance. Blacks had increased resistance to tropical diseases, and their labor made the development of the south possible at a time before antibiotics, when whites died laboring in the subtropical climate.

    Of course, blacks are owed all the gratitude that we give to other beasts of burden who would not work without the yoke, down through history. So here’s a toast to the mules, the donkeys, the horses, and the blacks. I will toast the dogs separately, as they seem to love their work.

    Lots of Jews were involved in buying and selling of blacks. The real action in buying, selling, and working black slaves to death was in South America, particularly Brazil. (Something like 90% of the slaves who made the passage died in “Latin America.”) Jews ran almost the entire trade there.

    Sorry folks, this is where Corvy’s concern for blacks dries up. Jews>blacks, and Corvy knows it. Corvy’s pretty much 100% observant of Jewish Omerta, except for the occasional childish Shabbos-Goy-approved joke. I have wondered, more than once, if Corvy is Jewish, but his plodding intellect, shitty writing, and boring personality have all combined to force me to instantly dismiss the idea, every time.

    Corvinus doesn’t do numbers.

    He’s a PR hack. He’ll parse words, change the subject, answer a different question, etc.

    You’re wasting your breath. He’s not here for discussion. He’s here to win a case for a guilty client. Hey, it’s a living.

    He’s the guilty client. White guys got better things to do with their time, unless they’re married to a non-white, raising non-white kids, grew up in a racially cucked family, etc. Even then, it’s a stretch. He’s probably non-white, but if not, he’s intimately connected to non-whiteness. Obviously what he has thrown away, or never had, must not be held valuable by anyone else.

    Or he could just have a head full of bad wiring; writing bad prose and worse logic could be his idea of a good time.

    Blacks are no more responsible for “building” this country than horses. Both were used for muscle.

    We need affirmative action for horses! The white man has kept horses down too long. The fact that horses don’t speak or form civilizations is due to white racism! If only whites would let go of their hate, horses would achieve at our level.

    #HorseLivesMatter

    What do blacks do better than whites, that horses don’t do better than blacks? So far I got basketball and some football positions.

    When we look at the impact of slavery on the economy of the 13 Colonies, most notably the South, in the 1600 and 1700′s, clearly a great part of America was built on the slave labor of blacks. During this time period New England ship captains, merchants, bankers, and insurance companies earned money from southern plantation operations; commodities like sails, cloth goods, and foodstuffs were bought and sold. Slaveholding was the primary road for white upward mobility in the southern colonies. As a result, the free labor provided by slavery was critical to the development of industry in Europe and later the United States.

    Of course, slavery is the high point of blacks’ usefulness to history. Without slavery, black history looks even more dismal than it does already. Having had slave ancestors is like the black lotto; you get to live in a white country. Otherwise, you have to live in a black country, and if you want to live in a white country, you have to jump the fence.

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @Truth
    , @Anon
  42. Svigor says:

    Of course, people in real countries (i.e., homogeneous countries) don’t have to argue over this stuff, listen to aliens (or their cucks) yammer about their phantom utility, fight over racial spoils, etc.

    Then there’s the USA…

    • Replies: @Truth
  43. JackOH says:
    @RadicalCenter

    ” . . . [W]e are at the mercy of people in charge of hiring, promotion, and firing who actively hate us, our values, and our conception of our country and lives.”

    RC, yours is a quiet shocker of a statement, and I’m very confident similar sentiments can be found, say, in the correspondence of German liberals in Nazi Germany and their Russian equivalents in the Soviet Union.

    I’ve successfully introduced Unz Review to a few junior faculty at our local state university. I suppose they’ll turn to its pages from time to time. Reality is the subject matter here, the articles and comments, have little purchase within the Zeitgeist, except, maybe, in a negative sense as crimethink, and no force of policy or law. (Trump, on whom some folks here had pinned their hopes, is a deeply embattled party of one.)

    Your statement seems to me as pointed as the guy who commented on these pages a few months ago: We are the Jews.

  44. El Dato says:

    Professor Leblanc [Email him] honked that “His reaction is odd. It actually makes it worse.”

  45. El Dato says:
    @Corvinus

    black slavery fueled American commerce and propelled Europe’s rise to global economic dominance.

    Inflammatory crud, obvious to anyone who knows what a steam engine is – and what is meant by “keeping the wealth out of the king’s hands”.

    Going by the slavery yardstick the Arab world would currently be building starships.

  46. @Corvinus

    From Wiki, black slaves brought to America;

    Date Numbers
    1620–1650 824
    1651–1675 0
    1676–1700 3,327
    1701–1725 3,277
    1726–1750 34,004
    1751–1775 84,580
    1776–1800 67,443
    1801–1825 109,545
    1826–1850 1,850
    1851–1866 476
    Total 305,326

    As any intelligent, honest person can see, slavery before 1726 was a trivial affair. I realize that blacks are known for being prolific breeders, but it strains credulity to believe that even they could have grown from 7428 people to a significant percentage of the American population in the 16th and early 17th century. That’s why I began my analysis with 1726-1750.

    Having said that, your point is beside the point. My calculations were done as percentages or fractions; they were independent of actual amounts of wealth. My simplifying assumption was that a black was as productive as a white which I adopted because I didn’t want to get sidetracked into arguments about superiority.

    Blacks as slaves created a certain amount of wealth and capital in America along with everyone else. I applied a growth formula from 1865 on because that was the historic moment when slavery ended and was, not coincidently, the point in history when the industrial revolution really got going.

  47. guest says:

    “Leblanc?” Sounds like “the white.” With such a racist surname, why would anyone listen to this fellow?

  48. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    John Thain’s commode was not, in fact, a toilet. A commode is also an antique French chest of drawers.

  49. Malla says:
    @Corvinus

    Europe would have risen to global economic dominance irrespective of slavery.

  50. MarkinPNW says:
    @Anon

    I remember an article about pioneers of a certain religion, that waxed eloquent about how their “animals” (oxen and horses) gave so much to “build the Kingdom of God” of the pioneers.

    I remember thinking that the whole concept of animals “sacrificing as pioneers to build the Kingdom” was rather odd. They were, after all, just beasts of burden that the whole world at the time was using for power and energy, with steam (mostly railroads and riverboats) and electricity (only telegraph at the time) being the only technology, which most people did not use on a daily basis at that time in history.

  51. renfro says:

    A lot to be said for old gezzers.

    Best advice I ever got:

    Never Complain Never Explain

    Play Offense Not Defense.

    • Replies: @elion
  52. How Africa would have developed, had not the west destroyed all cultures there, who can answer the question ?
    Jan Vansina, ‘Kingdoms of the savanna, A history of Central African states until the European occupation’, London 1966

  53. @botazefa

    Churchill: the higher civilisation has the better weapons
    And so these higher civilisations by force conquered the world.
    Houston Chamberlain around 1900 tried to explain the white superiority.
    He invented the concept race, though he admitted he could not define race.
    Felipe Fernández-Armesto, ‘Civilisations’, London, 2000 explains European superiority from a few simple facts:
    - the direction in which the earth turns
    - the grass highway from Mongolia to the Flanders coast
    - the unique North Sea
    I would like to add the fact that in GB coal was found near iron ore, making it easy to make cannon.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    , @botazefa
    , @Ace
  54. Renoman says:

    No one wants to hear the truth any more, thank God for people like Marc.

  55. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @GamecockJerry

    What you really want is a country where a white male is free to state facts that would lead to hostility towards blacks.

    • Replies: @Randal
  56. David says:

    I have neither mother to be delighted with the reputation of her son, nor wife to partake of the honors of her husband.

    Four years earlier, Dr Johnson, referring to his widower status, wrote in his Letter to Lord Chesterfield, “The notice which you have been pleased to take of my labours, had it been early, had been kind; but it has been delayed till I am indifferent, and cannot enjoy it: till I am solitary, and cannot impart it.”

  57. Thank God white people populated America, and not the blacks. Otherwise, the US would look like Zimbabwe, which it might look like one day anyway, but at least America enjoyed 200 years in the economic and political sun under a white majority.

    ‘Dr. Doom’ Faber: ‘Thank God white people populated America’, by Jeff Cox,CNBC.com, October 17, 2017

    The guy is obviously off his rocker and is yet another example that it doesn’t necessarily take brains to have money, (Trump being exhibit “A”).

    So America enjoyed 200 years of economic and political sun? What an ignorant ass! It’d be much more accurate to say that America’s plutocrats and their parasite buddies, the bureaucrats, have “enjoyed” 200+years of war, profits, increasing monopoly power, increasing centralization of power, and exploitation of the productive classes.

    200 years of socializing risk while privatizing cancerous growth of profits in the hands of ever fewer, and he call it sunny? I call it nutty.

    Screw the fool and those like him.

    • Replies: @Randal
  58. @jilles dykstra

    jilles says, “I would like to add the fact that in GB coal was found near iron ore, making it easy to make cannon.”

    Which is why neanderthal women in Britain had invented not only the cannon but the steel corset stay.

    Anthropologists were ecstatic when formidable steel corset stays dating back 100,000 years were found in a midden pile in Kent. “This just proves that Neanderthal women were concerned about what we think of as distinctly modern notions such as beauty and seductive allure” said anthropologist Bruce Coward. The proportions of the corset were estimated to have fit a neanderthal female who was roughly the size of Kim Kardashian. “She would have been a spicy enchilada for any neanderthal buck with a roving eye!” he enthused.

  59. TheOldOne says:

    “If I hadn’t known anything about the person in this story but had been asked to guess his provenance, I would have guessed Swiss, or Scottish, or Carpathian, or Afghan, or Appalachian.

    Mountain people— gotta love ’em.

    If you don’t, they’ll cut your throat.”

    The Appalachian part is correct, at least; can’t say about the others.

  60. Jeff77450 says:

    Good for Mr. Faber for refusing to be politically correct. Said in all seriousness: The world would be a much better place if literally everyone would just come out and announce that “The emperor isn’t wearing any clothes” and, of course, do it consistently. Let’s just deal in facts.

    There was never *any* chance that Africans were going colonize North America. But let’s all pause and give thanks to Almighty God that all of North America wasn’t colonized by the Spanish. (They got Mexico). Every nation south of the U.S. border is, to varying degrees, a chronic dysfunctional basket-case with corrupt governments and anemic economies dependent on technology invented elsewhere.

    The causes of the Civil War were far more complex than “North, slavery bad; South, slavery good” but I agree that removing the monuments to the men who fought it, and their courage & sacrifice, regardless of what their motives were, is wrong.

    • Replies: @jim jones
  61. This Marc guy has a lot on the ball. With all his money he should endow a college that teaches the essence of his thinking. It should have a statue of him in the middle of the quad. The granite base should be etched to read “Knowledge is good”.

  62. Z-man says:

    As you get older one can be more ‘courageous’ against the ZOG machine, just see Philip Giraldi and even myself. But ‘Viva’ Faber, Giraldi et al!

  63. botazefa says:
    @jilles dykstra

    Churchill: the higher civilisation has the better weapons

    It seems obvious that more advanced civilizations have better weapons. The implication that it is the weaponry that makes the civilization advanced seems silly to me.

    Houston Chamberlain around 1900 tried to explain the white superiority.
    He invented the concept race, though he admitted he could not define race.

    Francis Galton and Alphonse Bertillon are credited with a robust definition of race in the Historical_race_concepts topic on Wikipedia. Chamberlain isn’t mentioned.

    Felipe Fernández-Armesto, ‘Civilisations’, London, 2000 explains European superiority from a few simple facts:
    - the direction in which the earth turns
    - the grass highway from Mongolia to the Flanders coast
    - the unique North Sea

    Proximity to a sea allows a steady food source for those resourceful enough to bait the hook, weave the nets, build the boats, and learn navigation. It’s true the Earth spins in one direction. Not sure how that would advantage any one people over another. I have no idea what the grass highway was. Google doesn’t seem to know either. Geography that is easy to navigate may have evolutionary implications, like not stressing people to develop clever solutions to bridging waterways or tunneling under mountains.

    I would like to add the fact that in GB coal was found near iron ore, making it easy to make cannon.

    Not sure that is a fact at all. Take a look at the Wikipedia topic Iron_metallurgy_in_Africa. It describes mellinnia of iron smelting technology.

  64. Randal says:
    @anonymous

    So if we are to treat your remark the way you treated his, we can assume you want to see truth suppressed to suit your own notion of the greater good.

    But at any rate, it appears the two of you at least agree on one thing – that the truth is not flattering for blacks in general.

    That having been established, do you think blacks in general are better served by remaining in denial of reality and having someone (the government, if necessary) silence those drawing attention to unwelcome truths? Or might it be better to stop obsessing about blaming whitey for all problems and actually face up to reality and try to do something about it?

    • Replies: @David
  65. Thea says:
    @RadicalCenter

    I disagree.

    I think the people at the bottom have to be the ones to make the changes to society. It has to be grassroots bottom up not top down. Always has been.

    If you are wise, it can be done. Those that lose their jobs for the truth will be regarded as brave tomorrow. Those who know and keep quite will be viewed as history’s cowards.

    The more people speak up, the less lost jobs and the quicker the blacklisting will end.

    • Replies: @botazefa
    , @SteveRogers42
  66. Randal says:

    Geezers living in far off foreign countries might be fine, but meanwhile here is the reality of the depths to which modern Britain has sunk:

    British police are arresting nine people per day for attacks on the internet as they attempt to clamp down on hate speech online.
    …..
    Using Freedom of Information requests, the Times found that 3,395 people across 29 forces were arrested last year under section 127 of the Communications Act 2003.”

    However note that these numbers don’t account for the fact that 15 forces (about a third) apparently didn’t return any figures.

    Nor is it any comfort that “around half of the investigations were dropped before prosecutions“, since by that stage the victims have already been harassed and intimidated by police involvement, and in many cases been publicly arrested, their identities revealed if they were posting anonymously, computers confiscated etc, basically treated as criminals for expressing opinions. The process is a large part of the punishment.

    Section 127 of the Communications Act is an abomination of a law that should be repealed without replacement, The kind of abuse it can be and is abused for is illustrated by the currently ongoing case of Alison Chabloz, harassed and persecuted by lobbyists and zealots, aided and abetted by the British criminal justice system, essentially for expressing opinions that a powerful minority identity lobby wants it to be illegal to express.

    Court decision on complex legal arguments will be made next month

    The Chabloz case is one that should be particularly of interest to Unz.com. as it is notable the extent to which its reporting is being suppressed by the British mainstream media. By any reasonable judgement, it is a newsworthy story. The first private prosecution for hate speech by a minority identity lobby group, and quite possibly as Chabloz herself speculates, if convicted she could be the first person in modern times to be jailed in Britain at least for singing satirical songs.

    If Chabloz were a rap “artist” being prosecuted for singing a song about killing policemen or murdering white people, you wouldn’t be able to move for wall to wall luvvies lining up to insist the trial is an outrage against liberty, and mainstream media coverage would be front page and top of the bill.

    • Replies: @Randal
  67. Truth says:

    Number two, Faber lives in Thailand.

    Wow! This guy really is a “race realist.”

  68. Truth says:
    @Auntie Analogue

    John McCain’s personality is, in my experience, typical of that of service brats who, deprived of stability of neighborhood, school, church, playmates, youth groups and such throughout their rootless childhood, strive mightily yet clumsily to fit in with their rooted chronological peers, but often have a hard time fitting in because the demeanor and customs of those who grew up and were raised, rooted in stability are alien to the service brat. The service brat overcompensates by going to extremes to try to fit in: this is what I see John McCain trying to do in his attempts to align himself with and to keep himself current in and relevant to the zeitgeist.

    He was nominated by one of the two largest parties for the most powerful job in the world, and that is after graduating, I believe 997th in his class.

    Yeah, it’s been a real struggle fitting in.

  69. Truth says:
    @attilathehen

    I’m just struggling as to why all of the “white nationalists” move so F- far away from white people, and produce Asian kids. Can any one logically explain this?

  70. elion says:
    @renfro

    Hi American—It’s weareone
    This article and the majority of the comments condoning this racist diatribe (exceptions include Corvinus—fighting a lonely battle on this site, I’m afraid) play right into the hands of the demonic financial/military warlords currrently controlling the planet. The narrative of divide and rule used against humanity for centuries should certainly be transparent to everyone by now and American, you and I have discussed this many times on other sites. Yet people are evidently still easily manipulated to focus on superficial and meaningless differences—race, religion, ethnicity etc. When will we finally free ourselves from the prejudices that keep us enslaved-physically, mentally and spiritually? Unity and freeing ourselves from pettiness and prejudice is our only hope. I really hope that you’re better than your comment, American. I thought you were.

  71. David says:
    @Randal

    It’s definitely better for blacks to keep race hustling. Herding or hunting and gathering aren’t coming back and very few blacks can be truly productive in a modern economy.

    I just drove through Brattleboro’s section 8 neighborhood. Even in Vermont, even in a cold rain, there’s a few black men drinking beer on a covered porch at 10 AM. Left to their own resources, there’s no way they could afford that kind of luxury.

    I always enjoy your comments.

    • Replies: @Randal
  72. Truth says:
    @Quartermaster

    He was sane enough to garner your vote for president…

  73. Truth says:
    @Corvinus

    You are not THAT ignorant…

    I have a sneaking suspicion that he is going to prove you wrong within, oh, 10 more comments.

  74. Truth says:
    @ThreeCranes

    Now slavery is not a profitable way of running an enterprise taken as a whole.

    Yeah, having lifetime employees you don’t have to pay. What fool would ever think that would be profitable?

    • Replies: @Wally
  75. Truth says:
    @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    Blacks…are now obsolete.

    Oh, I don’t know Sport. It depends on how you define “obsolete.” After all, we still have enough kids to replace ourselves.

  76. Truth says:
    @Svigor

    If true, then slavery was a good thing. But it’s not; cotton and your wife’s sexual gratification aren’t a great part of America.

    Well they are if you’re a MARRIED American. But you wouldn’t know about that Svigster; take it from me, satin sheets are HIGHLY overrated.

  77. Truth says:
    @Svigor

    Of course, blacks are owed all the gratitude that we give to other beasts of burden who would not work without the yoke, down through history.

    If you want to know who the beast of burden is, try not showing up for work for a week without calling.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  78. @TheOldOne

    Scottish Highlanders (at least the ones that I’ve come across) can be an ornery bunch. Effective, but prickly.

    Not sure how Scotland is such a liberal place. The Scots that I’ve met don’t put up with BS well.

  79. Truth says:
    @Svigor

    Of course, people in real countries (i.e., homogeneous countries) don’t have to argue over this stuff, listen to aliens (or their cucks) yammer about their phantom utility, fight over racial spoils, etc.

    We agree with you totally Sviggy. When are these dummies going to realize that you are right? I mean we’ve been dead for hundred of years and we get it. Countries without blacks are heaven for their citizens!

    Sincerely

    William of Orange
    Julius Ceasar
    Atilla the Hun
    Napoleon

  80. SMK says: • Website
    @Realist

    “thank God white people populated America, and not the blacks. Otherwise the U.S. would look like Zimbabwe, which it might look like one day anyway.” Yes, if blacks “populated America,” it would be like Zimbabwe, or Haiti, Nigeria, Liberia, Detroit, etc. But his comment that the U.S. might “look like” Zimbabwe “one day” is false and ignorant, ludicrously and amazingly so. Zimbabwe is 99.4% black and 0.2% whites. Amerindians (including Mestizos, mostly from Mexico, and “Native Americans”) are now the largest nonwhite minority in the United States, not blacks. And Indians and blacks (including black “Hispanics” who are defined as “white” and aliens from Africa and Haiti and other Latin American countries) will soon transform the U.S. into a nonwhite-majority dystopia and hell-hole in which European-Americans will be an increasingly dispossessed and persecuted minority -with the exception of the rich and affluent, at least for some time, who’ll be safe in their gated communities, mansions, and luxury high-rise apartments, and who have the money and means to move to other nations if their lives and wealth are ultimately imperiled.

    • Replies: @Realist
  81. @Truth

    This is bizarre. And their offspring are anti-white and anti-Western. I do know Jews have high intermarriage rates with Asians and Derbyshire, AmRen are philo-semitic, so this may be one answer. Many of these men have fetishes and other odd behaviors that a normal Caucasian woman would not tolerate. An Asian woman is initially more submissive to get her claws into a Western man, but this doesn’t last long. The “Asian dragon lady” stereotype/cliche is actually a truism.

    Also, when these men have offspring they really believe they are white. Strange delusions.

    And these same men criticize Caucasian Christian Arab women, like the Lebanese/Syrians. These are acceptable people in the West. In Latin America, the ideal is “white,” “Caucasiness,” so even a high-caste Euro-mestizo is more easily assimilated because the ideal is Western whiteness.

    But when you bring in Chinese, Koreans, Japanese, etc., you have huge problems for the West.

  82. @elion

    Yet people are evidently still easily manipulated to focus on superficial and meaningless differences—race, religion, ethnicity etc.

    “Superficial and meaningless”

    Are the differences between my children and another person’s children superficial and meaningless to me?

    Are the differences between my nieces and nephews and other random kids superficial and meaningless to me and my siblings?

    Are human beings and their families just identical lumps of clay in your mind?

    Does family (and what is a race but an extended family) mean nothing to you? Do you have no desire to see your family – in all its unique and glorious quirkiness – succeed and thrive and to continue those traits into the future?

    You are no better than the evil globalists that you rail against. Both of you see people as nothing more than interchangable cogs. They seek to profit off of us. You seek to destroy what makes us unique.

    • Replies: @elion
  83. @silviosilver

    “If stating some historical facts makes me a racist, then what makes someone an anti-racist?“

    Good one!

  84. Wally says: • Website
    @Realist

    Here’s some hard hitting excepts from an article by Jayant Bhandari about Faber.

    Marc Faber, Freedom of Speech & Capitalism
    Political Correctness Hampers Honest Debate

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/10/no_author/marc-faber-freedom-of-speech-capitalism/


    Democracy, Welfare, and Migration: The West’s March to Self Destruction

    “Most of these societies would still not have discovered the wheel. It takes a huge amount of reality-avoidance and ineptitude for outsiders who travel there not to realize that a billion or more people in the Third World still wouldn’t have discovered the wheel. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that the Third World would have independently found, discovered, or invented even a fraction — if any at all — of the sciences and technologies that exist today.

    Without Europeans, lives in what were once colonized countries would have been brutish and much shorter than they are. These countries would have had nothing remotely resembling the concept of the rule of law.”

    One might ask why the international media and global organizations have a viewpoint about the Third World that is so completely contrary to the reality. The reason is quite simple. A culture of political correctness pervades these organizations. Anyone who does not go along is considered a bigot and is immediately fired.

    What Marc Faber wrote is of such huge importance to my mind, that it is criminal to ignore it. As a corollary to this, the failure to understand the underlying cultural issues means that the West is bringing in far too many people with irrational, tribal mindsets, who are corroding Western civilization.

    ‘Africa’ at Am.Museum of Nat. History

    https://youtu.be/XCNDcpIVi-o

    • Replies: @Realist
  85. @Quartermaster

    The best explanation for John McCain is he is mentally ill. He got that way in the Hanoi Hilton and has never recovered.

    My favorite is that he is a real-life Raymond Shaw from “The Manchurian Candidate”…

  86. @Truth

    Japan is pretty nice, certainly nicer than the U.S.

    Germany in the 1980s before its mass immigration was a wonderful place.

    Czech Republic.

    Hungary

    Poland

    Finland

    Taiwan

    Uraguay

    Etc.

    Is there a country in the world where the crime rate of black citizens is even equal to white citizens of that country?

    I don’t think Americans can understand the joy of being able to live (with a family) in a city and not fear for your life or to send your kids to private school. To be able to walk around at night in a city is wonderful. To have your kids wander down city streets to discover shops and sights without having to worry about gang bangers.

    Blacks have stolen more from whites than they know.

    As Sailer has pointed the out, the big genetic difference isn’t between the various races; it’s between Africans and everybody else.

  87. Randal says:
    @David

    I tend to the view that US blacks, at least, could benefit significantly from a Christian revival in their communities (real Christianity, the fire and brimstone, community building, family respecting kind, not the modern Marxism-lite kind). Or some equivalent social movement that could reimpose the discipline that held families together and imposed some impulse control on individuals and communal controls where that failed.

    But nothing like that will ever arise whilst they are all obsessively winding themselves up into yet more violent aggression by blaming other people and centuries old perceived transgressions for their own cultural and communal shortcomings today (eg the inability to keep fathers with children, or to respect the earning of the fruits of hard labour).

  88. @Truth

    Hey, we agree!

    Survival of the fittest isnt “survival of the best.” Blacks are insanely suited for the current environment. First world welfare goes perfectly with low IQ and extremely low future orientation. It’s also perfectly suited for groups designed to breed in environments where disease kills huge percentages of children.

    Ironically, this environment is terrible for the group that created it – whites.

    Naturally, all of this means that this current environment can’t last. How long will it take to collapse? Who knows. I’d be stunned if I lived to see anything dramatic, though things are moving faster than I would have expected.

    Regardless, blacks better drop to their knees and pray that clever whites figure out some miracle IQ enhancer; otherwise, their grandchildren or, at best, their great grandchildren will be back in mud huts because I can guarantee you that NE and South Asians don’t give a rat’s ass about blacks. Indeed, they truly see you has subhuman and would never just give your money except to steal your resources. (I’m not kidding about the subhuman comment. NE Asians are physically repelled by Africans. Beyond their words, the contortions on their faces if they discuss Africans and American blacks is all that you need to see.)

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Truth
    , @Truth
    , @anonymous
  89. Randal says:
    @jacques sheete

    So America enjoyed 200 years of economic and political sun? What an ignorant ass! It’d be much more accurate to say that America’s plutocrats and their parasite buddies, the bureaucrats, have “enjoyed” 200+years of war, profits, increasing monopoly power, increasing centralization of power, and exploitation of the productive classes.

    200 years of socializing risk while privatizing cancerous growth of profits in the hands of ever fewer, and he call it sunny? I call it nutty.

    Screw the fool and those like him.

    Thus does ideology and/or the desire to be seen as a nice person make a fool or a liar out of even the most intelligent and sceptical of observers.

    Regardless the truth or otherwise of your particular railing against exploitative elites, it is literally stupid, or dishonest, to pretend that there is not a colossal difference in the way the US has been run, and been exploited by its own and foreign elites, and the way Africa has, and that in large part that difference is due to the different natures of the peoples that have made up those nations. Relative to what America would have been if it had been colonised by Africa, “sunny” is surely an understatement.

    Keep desperately trying to avoid facing up to hard realities in the hope of staying relatively “respectable” all you like, you will still be condemned to the outer darkness with the rest of the deplorables, for your views on other issues. Your attempts to curry favour with the goodwhite elites by backing the transparent lies of antiracism is doomed from the start to failure. All you achieve is to reinforce the controlling dishonesty of the very same ruling elites you claim to oppose.

    The “divide and rule” here is what you do, reinforcing the dogmas of antiracism and antinationalism that have divided and dissipated resistance to globalism for decades.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  90. Sounds to me like a PR scam! These “gurus” make their reputation (and their money) by drawing attention to themselves. The easiest way to do that is to make “outrageous” statements. How many readers of this article had ever heard of Marc Faber? I certainly hadn’t! Everybody talks about the outrageous statement. Nobody notices when the minute quantity of hard information they provide turns out to be wrong! In the whole world of business commentary, when you cut away all the BS, they usually end up saying that all stocks will go up except for the ones that go down! I find them funny to watch on TV but I wouldn’t give them any money!

  91. renfro says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Observing the world tells anyone that people aren’t created equal in talent, abilities, intelligence and so forth.
    What is meant by created equal is equal *rights* for humans.
    I don’t know what more a government can do to give blacks ‘equal rights’ than we have done already.
    I do see some inequality in the justice system but that is really more a matter of class and money.
    If a black has OJ’s money for instance they can avoid prison.

    What I see in the leadership of the current black movement is that they want to be ‘entitled’ , something above equal.
    Reminds me of the ‘entitled status’ of Jews brought about by the Holocaust industry.
    The US has become a nation of victims…all thinking victimhood entitles them.

  92. @Randal

    Thus does ideology and/or the desire to be seen as a nice person…

    blah, blah, blah…

    Regardless the truth or otherwise of your particular railing against exploitative elites, it is literally stupid, or dishonest, to pretend…

    blah, blah, blah…

    Keep desperately trying to avoid facing up to hard realities…

    blah, blah, blah…

    The “divide and rule” here is what you do…

    blah, blah, blah…

    Just keep yapping away, all it proves is your ignorance. You simply don’t know JS.

    FYI, this country would not be a debt ridden, war mongering, terrorist, wage, tax and debt ($20 TRIllion at last count, apparently) slave state if Africans founded and ran it.

    Sorry to burst your fantasies and myths about how wonderful this has been nation has been. Enjoy the crumbs, and strut and caw while you can. Meanwhile I’ll still be laughing at the dupes, “nice person” that I am.

    • Replies: @Randal
    , @Ace
  93. botazefa says:
    @Thea

    I think the people at the bottom have to be the ones to make the changes to society. It has to be grassroots bottom up not top down. Always has been.

    The Occupy Movement was both grassroots and bottom-up. Had Occupy identified its leadership and a plan it may have found a benefactor. It may have found leadership. Instead, Occupiers refused to consider agreeing on any common demands. They knew not what they wanted, literally. Absent leadership and a message, they couldn’t leverage the Media. No single voice to put on TV and interview. No one to negotiate with. Is it any surprise that no one outside Occupy was willing to help? Local city councils evicted Occupiers swiftly and the movement was an utter failure. Opportunity missed. No change whatsoever to the status quo.

    Contrast Occupy with Henry VIII’s break from The Church in the 16th Century. His action deeply and permanently impacted British society and Roman Catholicism. Whatever his intentions, he made it clear that governance did not depend upon the word of god as defined by Rome. Fast forward in time a bit and secular governance emerges. If the Pope can’t speak for god and Kings can’t speak for god then maybe it is up to people manage their own governance. Modern democracy takes root.

    The ones who make the change are the ones with the passion for a cause. They have the charisma to hold an audience. They have the societal standing to speak for the masses. They have the personal wealth to be free to campaign for the cause full time. They have a message that tends to generate revenue that can be re-invested into the cause. It is regrettable that the offensive bufoons Trump and Bannon have been accepted as the voice of all white men. They are false prophets only seeking to line their own pockets. They want acceptance into an elite club that wouldn’t have them as members. Their bumbling may be consequential, as it was for Henry VIII. Their bumbling may also incite wars.

    If you are wise, it can be done. Those that lose their jobs for the truth will be regarded as brave tomorrow. Those who know and keep quite will be viewed as history’s cowards.

    Those who lose their jobs for the truth will be ill equipped to insert their genetic code into the next generation and, therefore, forgotten. Nothing brave about that. I’m a man and I have innocent people in my care. If you’re single and can afford it, do as you will but it seems perilous to behave in a way that society is known to punish.

    The more people speak up, the less lost jobs and the quicker the blacklisting will end.

    The best women can expect when “speaking out” is that they’ll get some attention. If they are persistent and organized they may eventually get some minor victory. They won’t be seen as equals or winners and they won’t alter the power balance.

    Or were you not talking about women?

    • Replies: @Thea
  94. @elion

    ” I really hope that you’re better than your comment, American. I thought you were”

    Those are nice thoughts but have you thought about what might and will happen in a democracy where Whites become the minority? I’ll give you a few examples; Haiti, Detroit, East ST. Louis, Camden, Baltimore, Memphis, St Louis,Oakland,Birmingham,Atlanta,South and west sides of Chicago. Just about any country, state city where Africans are a large enough group and you have the same results. Dysfunction, crime and destruction. I realize that there are the talented tenth but they are not enough to stem the tide.

    • Replies: @elion
  95. Randal says:
    @jacques sheete

    blah, blah, blah

    Intellectual stuff.

    Keep on blocking your ears and shouting “lalala” all you like, reality isn’t going to change for you just because you refuse to recognise it. And you’ll still be every bit as generally reviled and marginalised as the “racists” from whom you carefully distance yourself. Divided and ruled.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  96. and he didn’t say anything racist….so far as that term has any meaning left.

    he merely pointed out that black african countries have failed and that slavery was not invented by southern whites.

    and all of this in response to the charlottesville thing, not ex nihilo.

    zimbabwe has failed. black zimbabweans were better off under ian smith than mugabe. most blacks were better off under the national party than they are under the anc.

    but facts don’t matter when ideology and feelings are in the ascendancy.

    reality asserts itself…just not in mass media and the c-suite.

    sometimes facts are not nice.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  97. elion says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    I started to respond to the points in your comment but then read your archives and realized that it was futile. You’re so convinced of the myth of your own racial superiority that you view others, especially blacks as less human. With your reductive thinking it’s difficult to take you seriously. And of course your promotion of divisiveness plays right into the globalist MO of focusing the masses attention elsewhere.

  98. So many people associated with ‘white nationalism’ or ‘white supremacism’ have been demoted, fired, or blacklisted. Even physically attacked. And the internet deplatforms entire sites devoted to White Identity and White Interests.

    We are told that this is constitutional since Freedom of Speech doesn’t apply to private companies. In other words, private companies can hire and fire whomever they want based on whatever.

    But I just don’t buy this line of argument.

    Just consider the following scenario. Suppose a company has a president who reads about Israeli treatment of Palestinians. Suppose he is appalled by Zionist behavior. Suppose he comes to see Zionism as a form of imperialism and supremacism. So, suppose he purges any worker who is associated with Zionism or support for Zionism.

    Would ACLU, ADL, SPLC, and American Jews just accept this as OKAY since private companies can hire or fire whomever they want?
    Now, the company didn’t fire anyone because he or she is Jewish. The company fired people, Jews or gentiles, who are known to have explicitly supported the project of Zionism. (After all, there are anti-Zionist Jews.) So, would the Establishment, Jews, and globalists be fine with this?

    Or suppose a company decides that BLM is a Hate Movement based on lies that promotes intimidation, violence, and thuggery. Suppose it decides to fire anyone, white or black or whatever color, who is associated with support of BLM and its agenda.
    Would ACLU, ADL, SPLC, and NAACP — and NYT and MSM — just accept it as the Right of private companies to hire or fire whomever as they please based on their own criteria of what is ‘acceptable’?

    I don’t think so. I’m sure all the ‘experts’ will find LEGAL reasons to oppose such company decisions. If anything, the powers-that-be will summon any means possible to see that company destroyed for practicing its constitutional rights.

    If Youtube were owned by Hindus, Chinese, or Arabs and went about deplatforming Zionist vloggers as ‘hateful’ or homo vloggers as spreading ‘degeneracy’, I highly doubt if Jews, globalists, and progs would defense the rights of private enterprise. After all, if progs care so much about Free Enterprise and Business Rights, why do they call for socialization of medicine?

    Or can you imagine Youtube hiring BDS to root out Zionist vloggers as hateful, supremacist, imperialist, or exclusionary? If anything, American Jews are using money and influence to pass laws that will criminalize speech and actions in favor of BDS.

    The Right must push for laws that make it illegal to fire anyone for political or ideological views away from work. That is discrimination based on creed. If it’s wrong to fire someone for being pro-Zionist, it is wrong to fire him for being pro-Europeanist. All workers must follow professional codes AT WORK, but his private and personal beliefs or activities shouldn’t be grounds for dismissal from work. And this is the very case that the Progressives once made. They decried the firing of so many communists and leftist sympathizers during the ‘McCarthy Era’. But they’ve now shown their own face. It was never about principles but about protecting their own. If McCarthy had been a leftist who went after far-right people, I’m sure the Lib Narrative would remember him as a hero.

    • Agree: Vinteuil
    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Truthseeker
  99. @Truth

    If you want to know who the beast of burden is, try not showing up for work for a week without calling.

    Or try not paying the fine on working aka “income tax” or any other tax for that matter.

    Or try skipping a payment on the various forms of debt most people are suckered into.

    The whole system is a joke, but don’t try explaining that to the true believers, white goyim, especially :)

    “Goyim [non-Jews] were born only to serve us.” Explaining why God allowed non-Jews long lives, he added: “Imagine that your donkey would die, you’d lose your income. [The donkey] is your servant. … That’s why he [the gentile] gets a long life, to work well for the Jew.”
    This summer, Yosef Elitzur and Yitzhak Shapira, who head an influential seminary in the West Bank settlement of Yitzhar, published The King’s Torah, a 230-page guide to how Jews should treat non-Jews.
    The two rabbis concluded that Jews were obligated to kill anyone who posed a danger, immediate or potential, to the Jewish people, and implied that all Palestinians were to be considered a threat. On these grounds, the pair justified killing Palestinian civilians and even their babies.

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2010/12/10/israel-s-racist-rabbis/print

    • Replies: @Wally
  100. renfro says:
    @elion

    Hey weareone!…good to see you.

    From all our pass discussions I think you know who my criticisms are aimed at ..the same ones you aim at.
    And that good advice I cited was my mo in the Isr/Pal discussions.

    I know very well what is up…..but also know that in this current racial blow up there are figures in the black movement that are influencing and pushing blacks in the wrong direction.
    This confrontation against ‘evil whites’ that is being preached by black leadership and pundits as well as the media, press and ultraliberals is the absolute wrong way to go….its a disaster in the making.

    And someone does have to play offense in the sense of yelling “Enough!’….and get to the nitty gritty.
    As you know I have said for years and years lifting more blacks (and poor whites) to a decent living level has to come from jobs jobs jobs…living wage jobs……and that is not what these protest are demanding. And it has to come from a change in ‘culture’. In the 50′s the rate of babies born to unwed mothers was 20% today its 71%…that has got to change as it is the main contributor to the disintegration of the black community, poverty, homelessness and crime.

    Here’s an example of idioticy….my town just spent 70 milli0n on remodeling some public
    housing buildings that are mostly black occupants….But they haven’t created any JOBS in town that would get these families out of public housing.

    Instead its all about how white people hate blacks how they are all racist which you and others know is not true…but that’s the drumbeat and its affecting black attitudes, especially the young, toward whites all around the country and creating a backlash.

    Bottom line is this….this isn’t MLK preaching equal rights and cooperation—-the people in this movement are preaching hate of the incurable evil white race and victim entitlement for blacks.
    The other bottom line is this…..you will never rid the entire world of racist….but they cant blame the
    ‘entire’ white world for racism. In doing this they set up a ‘war’ like atmosphere.

    I don’t know where this is going and I dont know what more the government can do for blacks beyond what has been done in civil right laws and other programs and what I have harped on about jobs improving their economics ..Because as I have also said over and over the gov cant ‘legislate’ people’s likes and dislikes—cant force people to like each other so universal love of everyone is never going to happen…people just have to work around that.

    But all I really know is what is going on isn’t working, its a damn mess.

    • Replies: @elion
  101. Heros says:

    I am late on this thread but I think the following needs to be said, especially since Corvius and others used this thread to push their racial grievance narratives:

    The Swiss never had slaves. They never had colonies. They fought for their freedom from the Austrian Habsburgs in the 13-18th centuries. Napoleon and the Alexander (Russia) occupied Switzerland with devastating consequences. They were for centuries the poorest country in Europe.

    So when Faber says “what would have happened if America were founded by blacks”, he could just as well have asked “what would have happened if Switzerland had been founded by blacks”. The reaction would have been even more ridiculous.

    I can tell you what would have happened. They would have frozen and starved to death the first winter.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  102. Truth says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Japan is pretty nice, certainly nicer than the U.S.

    Well now, there aren’t many of “you people” there. You think that has something to do with it?

    Germany in the 1980s before its mass immigration was a wonderful place.

    What about from 1938 -1945?

    Czech Republic.

    They couldn’t stand people that speak %95 of their language.

    Hungary

    Always was, always will be “mixed-race.”

    Poland

    Never been there, but I know enough of them to know that they would give their eye teeth to move here and live amongst knee-grows.

    Finland

    Repeat above.

    Taiwan

    Repeat Czech Republic

    Uraguay

    Never been there, people who have tell me that it is ridiculously overrated.

    I don’t think Americans can understand the joy of being able to live (with a family) in a city and not fear for your life

    I know pre cold-war era Russians and Brits couldn’t and post cold war era Slavs couldn’t either. Argentines still can’t.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  103. Truth says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Ironically, this environment is terrible for the group that created it – whites.

    Well tell me that doesn’t suck!

  104. Truth says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Regardless, blacks better drop to their knees and pray that clever whites figure out some miracle IQ enhancer

    You mean for themselves or for us?

    I can guarantee you that NE and South Asians don’t give a rat’s ass about blacks. Indeed, they truly see you has subhuman.

    I’ve had Japanese, Chinese and Philipino girlfriends tell me that. I usualy had to cajole them though. Spiced things up a bit.

  105. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Is there a country in the world where the crime rate of black citizens is even equal to white citizens of that country?

    As the saying goes, you are missing the forest for the trees, quite intentionally I am sure.

    The greatest number of mass killings, in wars, and other covert means *wink*, has been by the albino race.

    The greatest plunder for wealth, from all around the world, has been by the albino race.

    Murder and theft at a satanic level, courtesy the godless albino race.

    So the right question should be, are there any peoples in the world whose Greed and Psychopathy matches that of the albino race?

  106. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Randal

    I tend to the view that US blacks, at least, could benefit significantly from a Christian revival in their communities (real Christianity, the fire and brimstone, community building, family respecting kind, not the modern Marxism-lite kind). Or some equivalent social movement that could reimpose the discipline that held families together and imposed some impulse control on individuals and communal controls where that failed.

    Oh the irony of that nonsense, when considering the immorality and the professed faith of the colourless kind.

    • Replies: @Randal
  107. Truth says:
    @Malla

    It would seem that his Mandarin is slightly superior to yours. Of course that may be an assumption.

  108. @Citizen of a Silly Country

    As Sailer has pointed the out, the big genetic difference isn’t between the various races; it’s between Africans and everybody else.

    Hispanics do their fair share of gang banging and raping, ever heard of MS-13?

    Blacks and browns are both prone to violence, just look at the US prison stats. In the US a black man is 5x more likely than a white man to commit crime, a hispanic 3x more likely.

    In Europe, it’s not just the SubSaharan Africans, it’s also the Muslims, from the Middle East, North Africa, South Asia.

    South Asian countries are all very dangerous. Most of the rape gangs in the UK are Pakistanis. Ask any Indian woman how safe it is to walk the streets alone in India, even in broad day light.

    The safest countries in the world used to be in Scandinavia, now they are taken over by blacks and browns, no-go zones are popping up all over. Paradise lost.

    Now the safest countries in the world are in Northeast Asia – Japan, Korea, China, Taiwan, Hong Kong, and the lone Chinese majority country in Southeast Asia: Singapore. Let’s see how long that lasts before they succumb to the western cancer of multiculturalism.

  109. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    I can guarantee you that NE and South Asians don’t give a rat’s ass about blacks. Indeed, they truly see you has subhuman and would never just give your money except to steal your resources. (I’m not kidding about the subhuman comment. NE Asians are physically repelled by Africans. Beyond their words, the contortions on their faces if they discuss Africans and American blacks is all that you need to see.

    That is indeed interesting. I suppose racism is something common to all godless people… Whites, NE & South Asians.

    Here is an example of the height of godlessness;

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BTDJ-gkD2HC/

    The west has more sanitised images of idolatry.

    On the Day [some] faces will turn white and [some] faces will turn black. As for those whose faces turn black, [to them it will be said], “Did you disbelieve after your belief? Then taste the punishment for what you used to reject.” [Quran 3:106]

    White\Yellow supremacy… Ha!

  110. Thea says:
    @botazefa

    Not talking about women. Unemployed men can reproduce. If something isn’t done we face total annihilation so the cost of not stemming this poison tide is huge.

    • Replies: @botazefa
  111. Vinteuil says:

    “…this country would not be a debt ridden, war mongering, terrorist, wage, tax and debt ($20 TRIllion at last count, apparently) slave state if Africans founded and ran it.”

    True enough, I suppose. Just as it would not be any of these things if it been founded and run by rabbits or weasels. It would be other, different things.

    Would those be better things? Care to make the case?

    Should be good for a laugh.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
    , @Randal
  112. Randal says:
    @anonymous

    Feel free to try again, in English.

  113. Wally says:
    @Truth

    Paying for complete cradle to grave upkeep of a low IQ labor force where only a percentage can actually work is generally NOT profitable.

    • Replies: @Truth
  114. botazefa says:
    @Thea

    Not talking about women. Unemployed men can reproduce. If something isn’t done we face total annihilation so the cost of not stemming this poison tide is huge.

    Who is we?

    Define annihilation.

    What constitutes the poisonous tide?

  115. Otto Zeit says:
    @MBlanc46

    Mental illness and shilling for billionaires are not mutually exclusive.

  116. Wally says: • Website
    @jacques sheete

    Think you “own” you house?
    - Try not paying the yearly property taxes.

    Think you “own” your car?
    - Try not paying the yearly “registration fees”.

    Think you have “freedom of speech”?
    - Try criticizing ‘history’, policies, and laws which benefit Jews.

    On & on it goes.

  117. Wally says: • Website
    @Priss Factor

    Boom!

    The First Amendment Is Under Serious Assault In Order To Stifle Anti-Israel Boycotts

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-21/first-amendment-under-serious-assault-order-stifle-anti-israel-boycotts

    excerpt:
    Increasingly, we’re seeing various regional governments requiring citizens to agree to what essentially amounts to a loyalty pledge to a foreign government in order to participate in or receive government services.

  118. Otto Zeit says:

    One of the unexpected benefits of growing older is that you get to quit caring what other people think. Older folks react to that discovery in two ways. Some of us understand the nature of our liberation; the rest just turn into irritating cranks.

  119. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Truth

    I think you’re conveniently missing the point that Faber has never tried to be pro-white or anti-mixed; he simply bashed African involvement. In science, you simply to the single discordant variable.

    • Replies: @Truth
  120. Ace says:
    @jilles dykstra

    A crow never flies at night.

  121. @elion

    Define “racial superiority.”

    I most definitely do believe that blacks are humans. Just as I believe the Japanese are humans. We are all a part of the human race.

    In addition, I most definitely do not believe that any race is “superior” to another in a moral sense.

    However, I also most definitely believe that there are average differences among the various population groups (races) and that those average differences lead to different abilities, just as the Theory of Evolution would suggest.

    NE Asians appear to have slightly better math abilities than NW Europeans. West Africans are much faster runners than the Japanese. The list goes on. We are in essence the equivalent of different breeds of dogs, designed to excel at different tasks.

    I don’t hate blacks, but I do acknowledge that their skills are wholely unsuited for a technological society with large cities. Do I chide them a bit more than I should? Probably. But that’s more a reaction to the never-ending propaganda shoved down my throat telling me that they are equal to whites (and Asians) in IQ and future orientation.

    I’d be just as snarky to NE Asians or whites if the propaganda was that those groups were equal on average to blacks in the 100 meter dash.

    As to you disgust with the globalists, I’m on board. However, I don’t believe that you beat them by trying to push together groups that don’t naturally fit together. Instead, I believe that it’s only through having ethno-states that the globalist are kept in check.

    For instance, the Japanese do not have a globalist mindset. Do they have rich and poor? Sure. But Japanese business people most definitely think first about how their policies will impact the Japanese people and culture and second on profits. The Japanese have repeatedly rejected global takeovers of their companies or refuse to allow certain companies into their country because they believe that it will hurt Japanese workers or culture.

    They can do that because they are a cohesive people. Their elite owe their first allegiance to their people. The Japanese elite will not throw their own people under the bus just for profits.

    Your kumbaya politics will not stop the globalists.

  122. @Randal

    Intellectual stuff.

    I try to communicate on the level of my audience.

    And you’ll still be every bit as generally reviled and marginalised as the “racists” from whom you carefully distance yourself.

    Gee, I’m just quivering in my shorts, and thanks for thinking enough of me to warn me of the horrors to come, (Barf!), but I don’t share your obvious paranoia.

    Now, go read your comment and tell me how proud you are to be an “intellectual.”

    And thanks for reminding me that you have nothing to offer, that you argue like a “librul,” (initiating personal attacks on fellow commenters), and that not only should you be ignored, but you shall be, henceforth.

    Now, go troll somewhere else and have a nice day, and try to remember to be a nice goy!

    • Replies: @Randal
  123. @Another Realist

    Good points. But I still believe that the genetic gulf between blacks and everybody else likely will turn out to be larger that the any gulf between the various other groups. Genetically speaking, blacks are far away from everybody.

    Let’s see how long that lasts before they succumb to the western cancer of multiculturalism.

    Well, if they do, they can’t say that they weren’t warned.

    • Replies: @Another Realist
  124. @anonymous

    Define “racism.”

    No one ever does. It’s just the easy way to shut people up.

    Does noticing and acknowledging average differences among the races “racist”?

    Or do I have to act on that knowledge before I become a racist?

    Is wanting your race to survive racist?

    Or is even acknowledging that different races exist racist?

    Let’s set the parameters here.

    • Agree: Dissident
  125. @jorge videla (BGI volunteer)

    zimbabwe has failed.

    So what?

    What’s your plan for saving the failed state called the USA? You got 20 TRIllion to toss into the kitty er sumpin?

    Ya wanna see what a failed state looks like?

    U.S. Congress gives Israeli PM Netanyahu over 25 standing ovations

  126. Ace says:
    @jacques sheete

    ** would not be a debt ridden, war mongering, terrorist, wage, tax and debt . . . slave state if Africans founded and ran it. **

    Jacques, you can’t be serious, unless you mean Africans would organize a wasteland. Africans destroy American cities with monotonous regularity. They have little impulse control, and are committed to a stunning criminality. Everything they touch turns to garbage. South Africa is doomed now that blacks run things. Namibia, Botswana, and maybe Zambia are different, I grant you but the overall reality can be seen in those videos of Africans streaming down European streets yelling, “Give me the money” or words to that effect. The crabs in a bucket visual is all anyone needs to keep in mind.

    The U.S. is a “debt ridden, war mongering, terrorist, wage, tax and debt ($20 TRIllion at last count, apparently) slave state” because we were attacked and infiltrated by vicious, vengeful, moronic leftists who perfected the art of fouling their own nest.

  127. @anonymous

    So the right question should be, are there any peoples in the world whose Greed and Psychopathy matches that of the albino race?

    Yeah, all of them. They just haven’t been as capable on acting their Greed and Psychopathy as Europeans over the past 500 years or so.

    You don’t know much about history do you.

    The Mongols killed ~5% of the entire earth’s population during their run. By hand!

    In today’s numbers, that’d be ~300 million people.

    Given that they missed out on Africa, Western Europe, North American and South America, that 5% number means that they must have killed a 20-40% of the people under their control, maybe more. Hitler and Stalin were pussies compared to the Khan!

    Africans do massacres all the time. They’re just not very good at record keeping and nobody much cares. Also, blacks are violent as hell, but they can’t organize a tea party, which slows down the killing.

    • Replies: @AM
  128. Truth says:
    @Wally

    Of course it isn’t; that’s why they kept it going for 300 years and then fought a war to continue it.

    • Replies: @Wally
  129. @Heros

    I can tell you what would have happened. They would have frozen and starved to death the first winter.

    Like this??

    10 European colonies in America that failed before Jamestown

    https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/10-european-colonies-that-failed-in-america-before-jamestown/

    Mebee them wuz black yooro-peonnz.

  130. Truth says:
    @Anonymous

    No, I think I got the point he was making: It’s the same point that Derbyshire makes, and that Fred Reed and that the gentleman in the picture above who lives in Thailand seem to be making with their suitcases.

    Things are pretty damn nice when WASPs aren’t around.

  131. Eagle Eye says:
    @Quartermaster

    John McCain is he is mentally ill. He got that way in the Hanoi Hilton and has never recovered.

    Disagree. Some people are born evil and treacherous. If JMC wasn’t born treacherous and malignant, growing up despised by his ambitious martinet father (who may or may not have been his biological progenitor) can’t have helped.

    McCain’s “depraved heart murder” of 134 sailors on board the USS Forrestal occurred in June 1967, before his dubious association with North Vietnam’s communists.

  132. MBlanc46 says:
    @MBlanc46

    That is true, but he’s always seemed more evil than nuts to me.

  133. @Vinteuil

    Should be good for a laugh.

    Having trouble with the “reply” button? It’s pretty hilarious that it presents such a challenge to you.

    No wonder you don’t understand that the topic isn’t rabbits and weasels.

    Get someone to ‘splain it to ya.

    Thanks for the laughs, and thanks for demonstrating why the goyim are so despised. ;)

  134. Randal says:
    @jacques sheete

    I try to communicate on the level of my audience.

    Yeah, right.

    Truth seems to have hurt, to judge from your overwrought response.

  135. gp says:
    @RadicalCenter

    “we are at the mercy of people in charge of hiring, promotion, and firing who actively hate us, our values, and our conception of our country and lives.” HR departments are infested with liars, fools and SJWs; they seem to be staffed by people who were too stupid to become public school teachers. “Diversity” doctrine is written into every employee handbook now. Woe to you if you are a white man deemed “not OK” or “problematic” or “inappropriate.” Employees can’t even be neutral; they’re forced to mouth the dominant dogma. I guess people with unorthodox ideas are supposed to launch themselves on ice floes out to sea and die there, since they can’t get a job anymore.

  136. Wally says: • Website
    @Truth

    What war?
    Very, very few southerners owned slaves. Even less southern soldiers.

    ‘Kept it going’?
    Is that why it was abandoned in every place it existed?

    https://americancivilwar.com/authors/black_slaveowners.htm

    some points:

    The US Census determined that there were fewer than 385,000 individuals who owned slaves. Even if all slaveholders had been white, that would amount to only 1.4 percent of whites in the country, or 4.8 percent of southern whites owning one or more slaves.

    The fact is large numbers of free Negroes owned black slaves … in numbers disproportionate to their representation in society at large.
    In 1860 only a small minority of whites owned slaves.

    The group owning the largest relative numbers of slaves were Jews.

    recall:
    Dr. Tony Martin – The Jewish Role in the African Slave Trade

    “Prof. Martin was indeed correct when he said “75% of Jewish households owned slaves” or “more than twice as many Jews owned slaves as compared to whites (36%),” as these statistics were drawn from Ira Rosenwaike’s analysis that attempted to do an apples-to-apples comparison with Lee Soltow’s study, which focused on the 14 Southern slave states. It should be noted that it was these two Jewish scholars that decided to base their comparisons on the 14 Southern slave states and not Prof. Martin, who was merely relaying the results of these two studies.?”

    • Replies: @Truth
  137. Truth says:
    @Wally

    Yes, %1 of white people owned slaves, just like %1 of white people own you right now. But you see, they at least pretend to pay you, whereas they didn’t even make a pretense of paying those black people for their labor. Now mark my words, if you were to walk in to your bosses office tomorrow and tell him that from now on you were going to work your normal day and sign all of your paychecks over to him, he’d accept that deal. He’d probably even pick up your insurance contribution out of the check you gave him, because you know why, Einstein?

    BECAUSE THE ONLY REASON YOU WORK YOUR JOB ISTHAT AFTER RENT, UTILITIES AND INSURANCE, AND ALL OF THE STUFF YOU HAVE TO PAY, YOU HAVE SOME LEFT OVER TO ENJOY.

    If slavery wasn’t cost effective for the slaveowners, they would have called them “employees” and written them a check.

    • Replies: @Wally
  138. Randal says:
    @Vinteuil

    Old jacques seems notably touchy on this particular topic (as he should be, of course, given the way he’s shooting his own supposed causes in both feet every time he goes off on one of his antiracist virtue signalling exercises).

  139. AM says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    How long did medieval priests believe all kinds of things that were absurd on their face?

    They never did. They invented the study of modern science. (Not kidding, Google a list of early scientists and find out how many were Priests or Monks.) What you think they believed is largely the result of modern revisionist history originating in the Enlightenment and looking for any “in” to tear down Christianity.

    It’s us moderns who imagine a computer we bought and the rough equivalent of 10th grade education in science makes us smarter than anyone who ever lived.

    If you want people to stop pretending the races are all the same, I’d start with the personal banishment of the root fallacy, which is that we’re smarter than everyone who ever lived in the past. Once the fantasy is embedded that God, Christianity, and all those giants of science and philosophy who believed were just buckets of stupid, it’s just a tiny little jump to the fantasy that everyone is all the same. Lies beget lies.

  140. Randal says:
    @Randal

    And here’s a nice addendum to the news that English police are devoting so many resources to using abusive speechcrime law to harass people for expressing verboten opinions. While they’re busy bullying people for pseudo-crimes, they’re also busy letting ever more people off for real crimes (acts that are malum in se, not just illegal by fiat of the powerful):

    The number of arrests made in England and Wales over nine years has nearly halved, despite the number of recorded crimes rising to more than five million in 2017, the Telegraph reports. A Home Office spokesperson said the reason for the dip was that police were trying to keep young people out of jail, offering warnings and cautions rather than arrests.

  141. AM says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    The Mongols killed ~5% of the entire earth’s population during their run. By hand!

    How do you know this true? I’ve seen enough academic BS when it comes to past populations and genocides that it’s impossible to tell. That they raped, pillaged, and killed their way across Europe and Asia is not under dispute.

    To call it 5% presumes you know with some accuracy a)the world population at the time and b)numbers of the dead. I’d like to know how they’d know either. Rough estimates sure, but I could come up with 5% by taking the extremes of tiny population versus largest estimates of killed or…I might come up with 0.05% taking more middle of the road numbers on each side.

    In today’s numbers, that’d be ~300 million people.

    But that’s not how many they actually killed. There’s no “inflation” with people.

    Yeah, all of them.

    Anonymous is quite right here. You want us to look at the differences in the races, okay. But that means all of it. Godless whites kill in factories, in the millions. Godless blacks are lucky to mount village attacks, as you note. They might rise to genocide if you can get them all white provided cell phones, but that’s a maybe. Yes, black mob violence, no doubt. But when whites (and Asians) kill, it is a systematic, large scale affair. There’s no hiding behind the universalism of a fallen man if there’s an insistence we look at the world by race.

  142. Vinteuil says:

    “Having trouble with the “reply” button? It’s pretty hilarious that it presents such a challenge to you.”

    Not at all, JS. I was quite confident that you’d notice my response, and reply to it.

  143. @Randal

    I tend to the view that US blacks, at least, could benefit significantly from a Christian revival in their communities (real Christianity, the fire and brimstone, community building, family respecting kind, not the modern Marxism-lite kind). Or some equivalent social movement that could reimpose the discipline that held families together and imposed some impulse control on individuals and communal controls where that failed.

    Christianity can’t even save itself. The Catholic church is in disarray thanks to the sex abuse scandal, its primary function now is shielding illegal aliens. The protestant churches are falling like dominoes. The Episcopalian church has completely cucked out and is now pro-choice. The Lutheran church’s primary function now is sponsoring Muslim refugees for federal funds, $10,000/head, good biz.

    Maybe Islam will be the blacks’ salvation. Continued black crime and dysfunction, or future jihadists, pick your poison.

    But nothing like that will ever arise whilst they are all obsessively winding themselves up into yet more violent aggression by blaming other people and centuries old perceived transgressions for their own cultural and communal shortcomings today (eg the inability to keep fathers with children, or to respect the earning of the fruits of hard labour).

    They’re just channeling their masters, that other group that we all know that is so good at whining and blaming…2000 years of oppression, how their tribe has suffered in the hands of gentiles, screw the gentiles every way you can for payback…behind every angry black, there is a Jew.

    • Replies: @Randal
  144. @AM

    Of course, the medieval priests also preserved and advanced science, but they also are an example of herd mentality.

    If you want people to stop pretending the races are all the same, I’d start with the personal banishment of the root fallacy, which is that we’re smarter than everyone who ever lived in the past.

    Who ever said that?

    We’re the same as we’ve been for a very, very long time – good and bad.

  145. @AM

    So what’s your point, other than to verify my original point to the commenter.

    Every race is violent and tribal, as they should be. Some do it better than others.

    Genocide is the original long-term problem solver. Every race has figured that out.

    • Replies: @anon
  146. Russia-related news getting funnier and funnier.

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/TfFtUhcubog/

  147. @Citizen of a Silly Country

    But I still believe that the genetic gulf between blacks and everybody else likely will turn out to be larger that the any gulf between the various other groups. Genetically speaking, blacks are far away from everybody.

    There’s a reason why everyone else got the hell out of Africa 60,000 years ago.

  148. It’s really quite ironic. All these colonies kicked out their white oppressors after WWII, and now the same people are running to white run countries demanding to be taken in, so they can be ruled by whites again. Only many are just here to make trouble and ruin the white countries the same way they ruined their own after the whites left.

    The world would’ve been a better place if whites never left the colonies. Imagine that.

    Since the Jews are doing such a good job running the white world, perhaps it’s time we send all the Jews to run all the black and brown countries, not a single one of which is currently well run. They love them blacks and browns anyway, their fellow oppressed.

  149. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    So what’s your point

    Perhaps: thinking clearly is important.

  150. @attilathehen

    But when you bring in Chinese, Koreans, Japanese, etc., you have huge problems for the West.

    I’m not arguing the above point, in fact I sort of agree, but I have met quite a few mixed white/asian people who I didn’t know were part Asian. You do seem to have quite a bee in your bonnet about white men marrying Asian women. Are you equally obsessed with other pairings like White male-hispanic/black female, or just Asian female? Did your white husband leave you for an Asian woman? Why all the bitterness?

    How about all the white women who are marrying black men in drove, esp. black athletes and entertainers, no problem with that? White women who marry hispanic men? Asian men? I hear black & hispanic men love fat white women. Maybe you should stop being so bitter about who white men marry and go find yourself a big black boyfriend.

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @Another Realist
  151. @AM

    Godless whites kill in factories, in the millions. Godless blacks are lucky to mount village attacks, as you note. They might rise to genocide if you can get them all white provided cell phones, but that’s a maybe. Yes, black mob violence, no doubt. But when whites (and Asians) kill, it is a systematic, large scale affair. There’s no hiding behind the universalism of a fallen man if there’s an insistence we look at the world by race.

    Yes, whites are so evil all the people they trampled on and killed are now crashing through their borders demanding to live among them, so they can be ruled by them again. What gives?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  152. elion says:
    @renfro

    Thanks for the response American.
    To address some of the issues that you mention, I agree that a “culture change” is needed but I don’t believe this can be imposed upon people from the outside. In my humble opinion it’s a change that begins within each of us and radiates outward and one that requires a conscious choice—a desire to respond differently to others and to be honest with ourselves. Simple things like: acknowledging and honoring each persons humanity, really hearing different points of view, developing friendships with others of different races and cultures to expand exposure and understanding (to try to “walk a mile in their shoes”)—these seemingly simple acts would increase understanding, empathy and compassion. These are qualities which define our humanity but are rarely taught or discussed in this culture.

    An additional consequence of this cultural breakdown is exemplified by this simplistic, race baiting article. I believe we each have to take responsibility for this and refuse to tolerate this type of mindless nonsense from anyone—regardless of race.

  153. Truth says:
    @Another Realist

    You do seem to have quite a bee in your bonnet about white men marrying Asian women. Are you equally obsessed with other pairings like White male-hispanic/black female, or just Asian female?

    Atilla if I may:

    Yes My good man, Atilla has made it quite clear on numerous occasions that she is a white nationalist and believes that white people should marry white people. She is not gender specific on this.

    Atilla tends to make her case on white males – Asian females because she is on John Derbyshire’s thread. When she is on Fred Reed’s thread she makes a case against white males marrying Hispanics. If Ron Unz were to hire Heidi Klum I do not think she would be pro white female – black male because, well, like the other relationships, she considers this “race traiting” which she feels other whites should be against and is aghast that they are not.

    As I have said, I do not feel that this is unreasonable on a white nationalist website.

    Atilla, how did I do?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  154. @Another Realist

    attilathehen — sorry about the comment, I meant for it as a joke but it comes across snarky, ad hominem and rude, I do beg your pardon. Please disregard.

  155. @anonymous

    That is indeed interesting. I suppose racism is something common to all godless people… Whites, NE & South Asians.

    Everybody is racist. Some are just more overt about it than others. The most racist people are liberals. Effing libtards are now teaching my kids at school that there is no such thing as racial blindness, that people who say they don’t see race are lying, and that race exists and everyone needs to acknowledge it. If that’s not racist I don’t know what is.

  156. elion says:
    @europeasant

    Yes I can absolutely envision a democracy in which whites are not the majority because I don’t define a political system by the race of the population.

    It may surprise you to learn that there were many ancient thriving, advanced African cultures existing long before the European invasion of Native American lands—the current US. For example: ancient Axum( present day Ethiopia)-great naval and trading strength, Benin, (present day Nigeria)-had stunning palaces but the empire ended when the British invaded,stole their resources and destroyed it; ancient Ghana—located on an immense gold mine; Mali( present day West Africa) and Timbuktu, the capital, the main center for culture and education in Africa. There were many other great African cultures, many of which were destroyed by European colonialists. You should read about some of them.

    Haiti has long been a victim of US imperialism. You’re no doubt aware of the 2004 US backed coup which ousted Haiti’s democratically elected president Jean Bertrand Aristide and Haiti’s long history of resisting colonialism.
    Randall Robinson has written an excellent book on Haiti-“An Unbroken Agony:Haiti from Revolution to the Kidnapping of a President.”

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  157. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Truth

    Unz is hardly as a “white nationalist” website for starters/

    • Replies: @Truth
  158. Realist says:
    @SMK

    Nit picking. What’s the difference, America will be a shit hole. The color of shit in a shit hole makes no difference.

  159. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Another Realist

    Modern whites wouldn’t hurt a fly. Even the so-called ‘racists’ are mostly harmless. To a black in 2017 living among white ‘racists’ is less dangerous than living among other blacks. They may give you a nasty look once in a while but they won’t kill you for $20.

  160. @Priss Factor

    The Right must push for laws that make it illegal to fire anyone for political or ideological views away from work. That is discrimination based on creed. If it’s wrong to fire someone for being pro-Zionist, it is wrong to fire him for being pro-Europeanist.

    Yes, I think you make an important point.

  161. Wally says: • Website
    @Truth

    Previously I said

    “Paying for complete cradle to grave upkeep of a low IQ labor force where only a percentage can actually work is generally NOT profitable.”

    What they were called is irrelevant to the great cost of having them, which is what we’re discussing.

    If slavery was truly free of costs it would have continued. As I said.

    You other statements are bizarre, incoherent.

    Thanks.

  162. Randal says:
    @Another Realist

    Don’t disagree about modern “Christianity’s” inadequacy, nor about black “anger” being a routinely manufactured and manipulated political tool for the powerful.

    Just saying that something along those lines is what modern black cultures need if they are to eliminate some of the worst of their pathologies, rather than just endlessly shouting about how said pathologies are all whitey’s fault and not their responsibility to fix. They suffered disproportionately more from losing the discipline of Christianity than did white cultures. As you say. islam could probably provide what they need, but comes with its own baggage of course.

  163. @Pat Boyle

    Each person is unique; has an eternal soul, and will be judged by his Creator.

    This is the totality of equalness.

    • Replies: @ANON
    , @Wizard of Oz
    , @Pat Boyle
  164. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Truth

    I don’t think Faber and Derbyshire are white nationalists. You don’t have to be a white nationalist to make observations like Faber did.

  165. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @attilathehen

    It’s not bizarre. They’re not white nationalists.

  166. Truth says:
    @Anonymous

    Oh, but that’s exactly what it is, Old Sport: A white nationalist website, for starters.

    • Replies: @elion
  167. ANON • Disclaimer says:
    @Stonehands

    Evidence? What makes you think there is a cteator being that cares about human beings or what we do, or any kind of sentient creator at all? And what is a soul? Is it something which can encapsulate the mental contents of our X years of life so as to pteserve an individual (pre-dementia) identity?

  168. @Corvinus

    Cotton, rice, and sugar cane were planted and harvested. Nothing was “built”.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  169. @Thea

    It isn’t speaking that’s needed.

  170. jim jones says:
    @Jeff77450

    The Spanish “Casta” system seems to lead to corrupt societies.

  171. @elion

    Your history seems to be even worse muddled rubbish than the Wikipedia article on the Benin Empire. The clear picture emerges however of a
    a warlike illiterate people comparable to but 2000 years behind the Celts that the Romans eventually took in hand. There was no flourishing empire that the British destroyed (any more than the Ethiopians were a great nation until the 1930s invasion by Italy). The declining “empire” was still trading in slaves in 1892, 86 years after the British legislated to abolish the slave trade and began taking steps to suppress it. The British were negotiating a treaty which would have required the end of slavery and only attacked in 1897 after a surprise attack on them had killed a number of Brits. On the Celtic analogy it is interesting to compare the West African invented religion of Voodoo with Celtic Druidism. Both

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @elion
  172. @Wizard of Oz

    Continued from #170 as at present numbered. Both engaged in human sacrifice but the Celts gave up about 1850 years earĺier.

  173. @Stonehands

    By what standards will the Creator judge? I ask since it/he/she seems to have allowed a lot of different messages propagated without correction, not even counting Buddhists, Hindus and animists.

    Can we be at least comforted by the thought that the judgment of souls without bodies means its just a game for a bored deity with no pain to any of us?

  174. Corvinus says:
    @SteveRogers42

    “Cotton, rice, and sugar cane were planted and harvested. Nothing was “built”.”

    Except ships to transport the slaves, plantations that housed the slaves and demonstrated the wealth of the white slave owner, and (eventually) cotton mills to manufacture textiles.

  175. @Corvinus

    Most of that was destroyed between 1861 and 1865 so what is your point in mentioning it today?

  176. anon • Disclaimer says:

    @ #110 by Truth:
    “I’ve had Japanese, Chinese and Philipino girlfriends tell me that.”

    How many BLACK girlfriends have you had?

  177. Pat Boyle says:
    @Stonehands

    I appreciate your good wishes towards mankind. You are probably a nice person but your dogma of equality is harmful.

    Your language is religious not scientific. There is no particular reason to expect people to be equal to each other and such a belief is pernicious. Let me give a simple if absurd example.

    I have myopia (nearsightedness). I need glasses to drive. This is a defect in me and many other Caucasians and Orientals. But people of African descent have much less myopia. So in the name of racial equality the federal government should round up the blacks and destroy their superior eyesight.

    Is that your conclusion? Africans can run faster too. So we should cripple them?

    Equality is not particularly desirable.

  178. Being called a racist in today’s atmosphere of lies n censorship is an honor. Being a racist means one is informed by the trend of HBD genetics n IQ research. When I’m accused by witch hunters of being a racist, I’m amused by their response when I tell them Thank you! I consider it an honor.

  179. joef says:

    This is a classic case of the racial deniers demanding that the racial realist retract their accurate statements about afro americans. As some commentators on this site, they demand that one disavows all empirical experience that is contrary to acceptable politically correct dogma. These demands are typically frantic, because in the long run, they realize that with repeated exposure to afro american, the antisocial behavior becomes readily apparent to others. After which, it begs the question, how does civilized society deal with a segment of society that refuses to act hospitable towards others, while presenting an undue financial burden upon our economy? Racial deniers may choose to ignore this unwelcome fact, but as more people become exposed to afro american dysfunctions, they will be forced to confront it (especially since afros refuse to reform themselves).

  180. elion says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    I posted a detailed comment to this accusation and it has been removed; however you chose to leave the accusation. Why did you remove my response? You have also removed another comment posted by the commenter–’Truth’–to comment #178. Are you censoring comments that you don’t agree with to protect certain commenters/viewpoints? Your readers have already seen the comments that were posted by me and Truth and now know that they were removed, apparently to protect the ‘wizard’ from being discredited.

    • Replies: @elion
    , @Wizard of Oz
  181. elion says:
    @elion

    Please re-post the comments that were published and then removed. This is intellectually dishonest and your readers have already seen the comments, know that they were removed and will understand this.

    Readers come to alternative news sites like this, many with varying worldviews, because the msm is completely discredited. Unz appears to be no different, by removing comments after they were published in an apparent attempt to protect the credibility of ‘wizard’ and discredit me by permitting his accusation to stand without a response.

    (http://www.unz.com/announcement/server-crash/ ]

    • Replies: @elion
  182. elion says:
    @Truth

    Hello Truth,

    We both posted a response to Wizard of Oz’s comment #178 and both of our comments have been removed —after being published. I doubt that this comment will be published but readers should know of the intellectual dishonesty of this site. “Wizard’s’ comment attempts to discredit me; however I provided a detailed response to the undocumented misrepresentations and lies in his comment with several sources and the response was removed in an apparent attempt to protect his credibility.

    However it’s too late. Many readers have already seen the comments and will see that they were removed.

    • Replies: @Truth
  183. @elion

    You sound very excited. Why is this aimed at an ambiguously identified “you”. I don’t suppose you really meam me but it is equally ridiculous to

    (a) be accusing Ron Unz of some kind of censorship or deviousness

    (b) be taking yourself so seriously.

  184. elion says:
    @elion

    It seems odd that the only two replies to ‘Wizard’s’ comment, which both happened to challenge it, were lost in the ‘server crash’– however his comment was not lost and remains unchallenged.

    The sources that were provided in my original response, which contradict much of his undocumented comment, were:

    “Crossing over to Africa’s west coast, Gates takes viewers to Nigeria, where Benin City was once the center of a kingdom that controlled more than 20,000 square miles. At Benin City’s heart was the Royal Palace of the Oba of Benin, expanded by the 15th century warrior king, Ewuare the Great, who also ordered the engineering of an extraordinary earthworks system to strengthen Benin City as a military centre. Eventually encompassing more than 500 surrounding villages, this earthworks system exceeded the length of the Great Wall of China. But it was the collection of bronze (or brass) heads, treasures of classical Benin art, many of which were commissioned by Ewuare himself, that provide the prelude to a moment ultimately altering the course of African history: the arrival of the Portuguese late in the 15th century.”

    http://www.pbs.org/weta/africas-great-civilizations/about/episode-guide/episode-four/

    The destruction and looting of the Benin Kingdom by the British:

    http://www.edoworld.net/The_glory_of_Benin_kingdom.html

    Regarding voodoo in Benin:

    “It has none of the negative connotations it has in the West and many of those who are officially Christian or Muslim also incorporate some Voodoo elements into their beliefs, especially in times of crisis….Voodoo priests ask these gods to intervene on behalf of ordinary people but local adherents stress that they have nothing to do with sorcery or black magic.

    People here do not stick needles into dolls to cause misfortune to their enemies, as you see in some Western films – this image may have arisen from the icons of a particular god which a priest may have in their shrine.”

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-15792001

  185. MarkinLA says:
    @elion

    If Benin was so great and powerful, why was it so easy for the British to conquer it? After all the Brits had to send troops by ship and in those days moving more than a few thousand troops at a time across a long ocean voyage was quite difficult?

    • Replies: @Anon
  186. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @MarkinLA

    No doubt the Beninese press was suppressed by a time-traveling Ron Unz; thus they had no warning of invasion and no way to coordinate defensive efforts.

  187. Truth says:
    @elion

    Well Mr. Unz said that it was a technical mistake, so right now I can’t blame these meddling kids, but belive me, I have my eyes wide open!

    • Replies: @elion
  188. @elion

    “expanded by the 15th century warrior king, Ewuare the Great, who also ordered the engineering of an extraordinary earthworks system to strengthen Benin City as a military centre”

    In other words, he piled up some extra mud. Apparently the extra mud was not enough to stop some British troops.Ewuare the Great forgot to install some canons to repel the invaders.It seems spears and Voodoo magic were not enough.

  189. @elion

    Do you really think that is an adequate reply in contradiction of my #178 and #179? I think it leaves the Brits v. remnants of the Benin kingdom as a reprise of the Celts v. Romans of 1850 years before except that, while the Brits had advanced their civilisation by 1897 a long way ahead of Imperial Rome the West Africans remained quite as primitive as the Druidic Celts.

  190. elion says:
    @Truth

    I have my eyes wide open!

    Good idea. In 8 days of commenting on this site, 2 posts were (selectively ?) lost/purged in ‘server crashes.’ The first was a reply to Renfro which I didn’t attempt to re-post. Coincidence? I remain skeptical. Good luck.

    Peace

  191. @gp

    What kills me are all the old secure people – Boomers and up – who do not know how bad it is and refuse to believe anyone who tells them.

    I see that most people are capable of understanding things only in terms of their own particular personal histories. We think that people are rational beings, but most are only trained animals. The world they learned in 19xx is the world forever.

  192. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Svigor

    “your wife’s sexual gratification”

    What an embarrassing projection of your own tastes!

  193. R Yeung says:

    The Excommunication of Marc Faber

    You may have read the news – Marc Faber is now a ‘non-person’ for his alleged racist comments in his October newsletter. He has thus been consigned to silence by the new ‘high priests’ from the mainstream media for simply speaking his mind.

    His quote: “And thank God white people populated America, and not the blacks. Otherwise, the US would look like Zimbabwe, which it might look like one day anyway, but at least America enjoyed 200 years in the economic and political sun under white majority.”

    Nobody can sufficiently prove whether this observation is correct as it is conjecture. Yet since the founding of America to the present, Europe was far more economically advanced than Africa, and therefore in a position to influence much of the rest of the world, both in positive and negative ways.

    It is a fact that white people from Europe developed America by bringing technology and culture from the old world to the new and the economic results were spectacular. Similar results were achieved in Australia and New Zealand, as well as slightly less successful countries such as Argentina and Brazil.

    We also have instances of African ‘development’ in the new world. Haiti gained independence in 1804 and was the second republic in the Americas. Yet, despite this, they apparently have yet to gain even the same modicum of economic prosperity as their neighbor on Hispaniola, the Dominican Republic, who gained independence from Haiti in 1844.

    So regardless of your opinion, the facts are clear. The economic statistics and life expectancy of Haiti (and other black majorities) are firmly grounded in the same range as poor African states like Liberia or Sierra Leone. Meanwhile Haitians, like others in the Americas, yearn to live in the USA and escape the poverty of their birth, despite the fact they will reside in a country as a black minority.

    Therefore to an impartial observer, it is reasonable to believe that if the majority of people in America were black since its founding, then it could now resemble South Africa where whites are in the minority and blacks in the majority.

    So maybe Marc should have rephrased what he said in more polite terms. Such as:

    And thank God European people populated America, otherwise they may not have enjoyed the past 200 years of economic success.

    Thus by not specifying the ‘other’ races, he might have gotten a pass. But he didn’t, and the thought police of the new ‘church’ had him banished from TV and ostracized. He even lost his position on the boards of several companies.

    In this Marc has a bit in common with Galileo, who after observing and stating his belief in a heliocentric solar system, had to spend the last nine years of his life under house arrest for his being “vehemently suspect of heresy”.

    However, surely the present situation is we not akin to those religious zealots who policed heresy in the early 17th century? Sadly it appears that we are. We are now in a new age with a new religion, where facts or opinions can be dismissed and free speech limited by the gatekeepers of acceptable discourse. Instead of the Catholic Church we are now policed by the ‘Bishops’ from the Church of Political Correctness.

    Marc Faber has been excommunicated for simply expressing his viewpoint. It is a sad world that we live in.

    Note the definition

    Excommunicated – to exclude or expel from membership or participation in any group, association, etc.

  194. Sam J. says:
    @Corvinus

    If we’re going to give the Negros forty acres and a mule for slavery…what are we going to give the mules?

  195. Sam J. says:

    The Jews bought Blacks to the US and sold them to us as slaves. They are a defective product. We want to return them and we want our money back.

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