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On Monday December 19, another Muslim murderer ran amok: twenty-three-year-old Tunisian immigrant Anis Amri hijacked a big rig and drove it into a crowd of Christmas shopper s in Berlin, Germany, killing twelve and injuring fifty.

Three and a half days later, in the small hours of Friday morning, Amri was spotted by two cops in Milan, Italy. They accosted him; he shot and wounded one of the cops; the other cop then shot him dead.

Amri’s immigration history is a case study of Western stupidity and incompetence. He was one of the early boat people leaving North Africa for the Italian island of Lampedusa in 2011. While there he was arrested for robbery, and arson—he helped set fire to a holding center for illegals.

The Italians put him in jail for four years. In Italian prisons, as in British and French prisons, radical Muslims are a major organizing force among the prisoners, so Amri got radicalized.

“After his release …”—I’m quoting here from the BBC News report—”After his release he was asked to leave the country.” [Berlin truck attacker Anis Amri killed in Milan, December 23, 2016]

So I guess that went something like: “Scusi, Mr. fanatical Muslim arsonist, would you mind leaving our country now, if it’s no trouble?”

Amri did leave Italy. Taking advantage of Europe’s wide-open internal borders, he went to Germany and applied for asylum. Another quote from the Beeb:

His application was rejected by the German authorities but they were unable to deport him to Tunisia because he had no valid identification papers.

That phrase “valid identification papers” deserves a roll of the eyes all by itself. In the first place, it’s common knowledge that these illegals throw away their passports when leaving their home countries, precisely to make it difficult to deport them. In the few cases where illegals do have any papers, those papers were purchased for cash from some forgery shop in a Middle Eastern bazaar, and bear no necessary relation to the illegal’s actual nationality and origins.

There’s no way for European governments to know where an illegal has come from, nor anything else about him. Britain recently cut a deal to take in child refugees from the illegals camp in Calais, Northern France. When the kiddies arrived, they turned out to be muscular six-foot guys with three-day growths of chin stubble. [Fury at ‘soft checks’ on child migrants: Adults pretending to be children say aid workers, By Giles Sheldrick, Express [UK] October 19, 2016]

So where are we with Anis Amri? His application for asylum in Germany was rejected in June, and he was ordered deported. So he was put on a plane back to Tunisia, right?

[Laugh.]

Of course not! In Euro-speak the phrase “ordered deported” means that some low-level state clerk gives you a sheet of paper saying that you have been ordered deported, then shows you the door—the door back out onto the street. That’s all.

Mr. Amri, as it happens, was fed up with Germany. He decided to head for Switzerland. However, and here I’m going to switch sources and quote from the New York Times:

The police noted his deportation papers and detained him that weekend, but he was ordered released after 48 hours. His lack of Tunisian identity papers meant the German authorities could neither deport nor detain him.

Ordered Deported, Berlin Suspect Slipped Through Germany’s Fingers

By Alison Smale, Carlotta Gall And Gaia Pianigiani, December 22, 2016

Emphasis added

You could hardly have a clearer illustration of the complete collapse of will on the part of Western Civilization to defend itself against foreign malefactors.

This really isn’t rocket science. Sure, you can make a case for admitting some refugees from war zones into your country. But that s hould not include males of military age. There’s a civil war in your country? Pick a side and get a weapon.

Female, infant, and aged refugees aside, keep out anyone not holding a valid visa issued by your government. Keep them out—don’t let them across your borders.

If unwanted foreigners do arrive on your territory somehow, send them back where they came from ASAP.

If you can’t find out where they came from, or if the place they came from won’t take them, put them in camps and keep them there under strict guard, basic food and medical attention provided, no luxuries, cf. Israel.

Is it really beyond the abilities of European governments to institute such elementary measures for national self-preservation?

Yes, apparently it is. So people out doing their Christmas shopping—families, children—are crushed and mangled to death by a crazy Muslim illegal.

This is what civilizational suicide looks like in Europe. You’ll be seeing a lot more of it.

And of course the U.S.A. is on the same path.

In Fiscal Year 2016, which ended September 30th, we took in 85,000 so-called “refugees,” most from Syria, Afghanistan, Somalia and Iraq—countries that make Tunisia look like a suburb of Helsinki. [‘Refugee’ resettlement accelerates in Obama’s final months, by Paul Bremmer, WND, December 20, 2016]

Eleven weeks into the new Fiscal Year, the day-to-day rate of intake is higher than at the corresponding time last year. Barack Obama has set a target of 110,000 for Fiscal 2017. Eighty thousand of those will be admitted after Donald Trump takes office. It’s going to be a key indicator of Trump’s willingness to take on the bogus “refugee” rackets whether or not he shuts down the flow as he has the power to do. [Record number of Somalis entering America as refugees, but where does Tillerson stand? , by Daniel Horowitz , Conservative Review, December 14, 2016]

ORDER IT NOW

A key player here: Trump’s nominee for Secretary of State, Rex Tillerson. Most of the key decisions about refugee intake fall under the State Department’s purview. If Tillerson lets us down on this, and Trump lets him let us down, we’ll know the new Chief Executive is not serious about bringing sanity to U.S. immigration policy.

The parallels with Europe are plain to see. We actually do sometimes deport illegals; but since they just turn round and come right back in again, it’s hard to see why we bother. The guy who stole 86 pounds of gold from out of the back of a truck in New York City three months ago has just been identified. He’s an illegal from Ecuador who’s been deported four times.

Back to the “refugee” scams. Here is native Minnesotan Cain Pence (no known relation to Vice President-Elect Mike Pence), writing at American Thinker, December 22 2016:

For decades, liberal Europe encouraged Muslim immigration and turned a blind eye to radical clerics and segregated “no go zones.” I am afraid the same reality has happened in Minnesota. Entire neighborhoods in Minneapolis, such as Cedar Riverside, dominated by low-income public housing high rises, are almost entirely Somali. Integration and assimilation have not occurred the way we were told by charities and Somali activists. A permanent, aggrieved underclass of Muslims ripe for radicalization is now the reality in the heartland of America. The parallels to France and other nations in Europe is both real and concerning.[Minnesota: Yes to Immigration, No to Jihad]

That’s not a voice from the Alt Right, either. If anything, Pence is an immigration romantic. His article actually includes the sentence: “We are a nation of immigrants.”

He has eyes to see, though. What he sees in Minnesota is huge, permanent Islamic ghettos.

Which, again, is what you see in Europe. Last year British Prime Minister David Cameron ordered social welfare honcho Louise Casey to investigate and produce a report on the integration of minorities in Britain. That report was duly published three weeks ago. It’s officially called The Casey Review. [PDF]

It’s not an easy read, all couched in the prim, constipated diction of social science professionals. Ms. Casey—actually Dame Casey, to give her her proper title, “Dame” being the female equivalent of “Sir”—this Casey person comes across as considerably worried by what she found but, trapped as she is in the multiculti mindset, not sure why she should be worried. This gives the whole report a slightly baffled quality.

If you can’t face all 200 pages of the thing, there’s an 18-page executive summary on the internet. Just for a flavor, here’s Point 44 from that summary:

Polling in 2015 … showed that more than 55 percent of the general public agreed that there was a fundamental clash between Islam and the values of British society, while 46 percent of British Muslims felt that being a Muslim in Britain was difficult due to prejudice against Islam. We found a growing sense of grievance among sections of the Muslim population, and a stronger sense of identification with the plight of the “Ummah,” or global Muslim community.

Bottom line: Admit three million Muslims into a small, crowded, traditionalist Western country, you get isolated, concentrated ghettos nursing “a growing sense of grievance.”

Who would ever have guessed?

John Derbyshire [email him] writes an incredible amount on all sorts of subjectsfor all kinds of outlets. (This no longer includes National Review, whose editors had some kind of tantrum and fired him. ) He is the author of We Are Doomed: Reclaiming Conservative Pessimism and several other books. He’s had two books published by VDARE.com: FROM THE DISSIDENT RIGHT (also available in Kindle) and From the Dissident Right II: Essays 2013. His writings are archived atJohnDerbyshire.com.

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  1. Interesting article. I totally agree that these immigration policies are indeed maddening judging from these details. This level of ineptitude cannot simply be negligence, can it?

    But again, complete silence from Mr. Derbyshire on “Europe’s Murdering Muslims” – ahem “Europe is Murdering Muslims” by its collusion with idiotic US policy in the Middle East.

    Peace.

    Bonus:
    “We found a growing sense of grievance among sections of the White population, and a stronger sense of identification with the plight of “Whites” or global White community.”

    Wow – will you look at that? A switch of a couple of nouns and it doesn’t sound too threatening does it?

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    • Replies: @jtgw
    I think you can accept that radicalization is at least partly inspired by our foreign policy, while also admitting that it is a bad idea to import large numbers of Muslims. It is simply shifting the cost of our bad foreign policies onto the general public (over and above the costs in terms of taxes and inflation caused by endless wars and the military-industrial complex).

    I agree that, in some parts of the right, there is a kind of callousness towards genuine Muslim grievances; I got into an argument with a guy who genuinely believed in keeping out Muslim immigrants but also in perpetual war and colonization of the Middle East.
    , @RadicalCenter
    Talha, we know you're already aware that most regular commenters on unz are strongly opposed to both invading the world and inviting the world. Yet we and our children in the USA and Europe are paying the price for both the cruel invade-the-world policy and the suicidal, unaffordable invite-the-world policy.

    We do not want any Muslims here, period. That won't change regardless of how long it takes us to stop our governments from needlessly wreaking havoc and destruction in Muslim countries, which you and I agree our governments must stop doing.
    , @Nick Granite
    It is not negligence. It is a global conspiracy. What the progressives have to gain from turning the west into 3rd world hellholes I have no idea but there is no such thing as coincidence on this scale in so many different western countries.
    , @WorkingClass
    I don't think Derb is looking for solutions beyond border control. He might admit that borders would be easier to control were the West to refrain from mass murder of Muslims in Muslim countries. But first there would have to be a will to control borders in European Officialdom. There is not. The former sovereign nations of Europe have no borders until they regain their sovereignty. The European Union must be dissolved or the "diverse" European cultures will become extinct.
    , @Clyde
    During your 5x daily head bumping you should be praying to and thanking the stupid traitorous liberals who govern so many civilized nations. Traitors like Obama and Merkel who encourage Muslim immigration. No real American wants so many Muslims coming in here. Somalians? There is zero upside for America in allowing so many to come here. If you can tell me what Somalians do here that is positive, let me know.
    SubCons?..... a bunch of tax cheats and you know it. Their philosophy is "Paying taxes is for suckers, and Americans"

    So before you thank Allah and your non-prophet Muhammad you must pray to and exalt liberal white people who are your real gods before all others. Who in their right mind wants to live in a Muslim nation? This is why you live here.

    , @biz
    Fake grievance excuse alert.

    The total death toll among Muslims due to US foreign policy in the 230 years since the founding of the US is probably less than the average yearly intra-Muslim death toll due to intersectarian and intertribal violence, government repression, underdevelopment, botched clitorectomies, etc...
    , @neprof
    How many Muslim countries did the US invade/occupy when Sayyid Qutb was writing his inspirational works? The seeds of modern jihad started long before the neocons took control. One could argue the former (Qutb's anti-western rants) lead to the latter (neocon's destruction of the ME).

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  2. @Talha
    Interesting article. I totally agree that these immigration policies are indeed maddening judging from these details. This level of ineptitude cannot simply be negligence, can it?

    But again, complete silence from Mr. Derbyshire on "Europe's Murdering Muslims" - ahem "Europe is Murdering Muslims" by its collusion with idiotic US policy in the Middle East.

    Peace.

    Bonus:
    "We found a growing sense of grievance among sections of the White population, and a stronger sense of identification with the plight of "Whites" or global White community."

    Wow - will you look at that? A switch of a couple of nouns and it doesn't sound too threatening does it?

    I think you can accept that radicalization is at least partly inspired by our foreign policy, while also admitting that it is a bad idea to import large numbers of Muslims. It is simply shifting the cost of our bad foreign policies onto the general public (over and above the costs in terms of taxes and inflation caused by endless wars and the military-industrial complex).

    I agree that, in some parts of the right, there is a kind of callousness towards genuine Muslim grievances; I got into an argument with a guy who genuinely believed in keeping out Muslim immigrants but also in perpetual war and colonization of the Middle East.

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  3. This really isn’t rocket science. Sure, you can make a case for admitting some refugees from war zones into your country. But that should not include males of military age. There’s a civil war in your country? Pick a side and get a weapon.

    Exactly, Derb. But effeminate white scribblers constantly bemoan the presence of “hyper masculine” Muslim males in Europe. But if these male refugees were truly so tough and masculine they would remain in the Middle East to fight and not run away to Europe like yellow bellies to sexually assault European women (and sometimes men) and live on welfare.

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    • Replies: @Fredrik
    They would run away fast if only European men said 'enough is enough' but since European women don't want that then Europeans in general are doomed.
    , @The King is a Fink
    I live in Europe and my experience of ME men is that they are generally effeminate and you would need three or four of them to grow a half-decent mustache. Not sure about the origins of the hyper masculine label, is this meant seriously or sarcastically?

    There are plenty of men in Europe who take a dim view of the direction our politicians have taken us. The elderly always vote for 'their party' irrespective of policy; the young are idiots and are duped by the nonsense from social media; and the rest of us are pissed off to the gills.
  4. You totally nailed it , Derb….When Tunisia says it won’t accept this guy back (the Italians asked also, apparently), any sane country either executes Amri on the spot or, more likely, drops him from a plane into Tunisian waters. Problem solved. But no, better to have German families murdered or maimed so that German leaders can virtue signal to the cat ladies….

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    • Replies: @Fredrik
    Killing unwanted Arabs would be a non-event to the Arab governments. It's much better to punish the Arab leaders personally. I'm not suggesting targeting them for assassination since that would open up for all sorts of action but denying them and their families visas, freezing assets etc etc is perfectly doable.
  5. [CAIR LA Director Tweets Wish for Twice the Dead in Russian Plane Crash]

    http://www.breitbart.com/california/2016/12/26/muslim-human-rights-activist-tweets-wish-twice-dead-russian-plane-crash/


    {Hussam Ayloush, the executive director of the Los Angeles chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), which purports to speak for American Muslims, spent part of Christmas Day tweeting that he had hoped more people had died in the previous night’s Russian plane crash into the Black Sea.}

    {He then backpedaled on his offensive comments.}

    {Ayloush, whose Twitter bio lists him as a “Human rights and civil rights activist. Community organizer. CAIR-LA Exec Director. Son. Husband Father of 5,” tweeted Sunday morning, “I’m sad about the crashed Russian military jet. The TU-154 could have carried up to 180 military personnel instead of just 92!”}

    This anti-Christian IslamoFascist ingrate hatemonger living in a Christian country is celebrating the deaths of (Orthodox) Christians who were going to (Muslim) Syria to bring some cheer to long suffering Syrians, who btw were/are being terrorized and murdered by Muslim IslamoFascist terrorists.

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  6. @Talha
    Interesting article. I totally agree that these immigration policies are indeed maddening judging from these details. This level of ineptitude cannot simply be negligence, can it?

    But again, complete silence from Mr. Derbyshire on "Europe's Murdering Muslims" - ahem "Europe is Murdering Muslims" by its collusion with idiotic US policy in the Middle East.

    Peace.

    Bonus:
    "We found a growing sense of grievance among sections of the White population, and a stronger sense of identification with the plight of "Whites" or global White community."

    Wow - will you look at that? A switch of a couple of nouns and it doesn't sound too threatening does it?

    Talha, we know you’re already aware that most regular commenters on unz are strongly opposed to both invading the world and inviting the world. Yet we and our children in the USA and Europe are paying the price for both the cruel invade-the-world policy and the suicidal, unaffordable invite-the-world policy.

    We do not want any Muslims here, period. That won’t change regardless of how long it takes us to stop our governments from needlessly wreaking havoc and destruction in Muslim countries, which you and I agree our governments must stop doing.

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  7. @KenH

    This really isn’t rocket science. Sure, you can make a case for admitting some refugees from war zones into your country. But that should not include males of military age. There’s a civil war in your country? Pick a side and get a weapon.
     
    Exactly, Derb. But effeminate white scribblers constantly bemoan the presence of "hyper masculine" Muslim males in Europe. But if these male refugees were truly so tough and masculine they would remain in the Middle East to fight and not run away to Europe like yellow bellies to sexually assault European women (and sometimes men) and live on welfare.

    They would run away fast if only European men said ‘enough is enough’ but since European women don’t want that then Europeans in general are doomed.

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  8. @pyrrhus
    You totally nailed it , Derb....When Tunisia says it won't accept this guy back (the Italians asked also, apparently), any sane country either executes Amri on the spot or, more likely, drops him from a plane into Tunisian waters. Problem solved. But no, better to have German families murdered or maimed so that German leaders can virtue signal to the cat ladies....

    Killing unwanted Arabs would be a non-event to the Arab governments. It’s much better to punish the Arab leaders personally. I’m not suggesting targeting them for assassination since that would open up for all sorts of action but denying them and their families visas, freezing assets etc etc is perfectly doable.

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  9. “Sure, you can make a case for admitting some refugees from war zones into your country.”

    No. You can’t. Any sane country bases citizenship on blood, thus the nation state. I don’t allow people to live in my house permanently because of trouble on the other side of town. I go to their side of town and help if I can – and if they deserve the help – but I don’t bring them into my home permanently.

    The world has always had – and will always have – people displace from their homes by war or famine. It does not mean that you have to bring them into your country. If you do, sooner or later, you won’t have a country.

    We have become a childish people, and we are beginning to see what happens to countries run by children. I suspect that it will get worse.

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  10. Sucks for you guys that the demographics are not in your favor and that white girls are increasingly lusting after Men of Color.

    How does it feel knowing that your sisters, daughters, and granddaughters will being bearing Children of Color and rejecting your vision of society?

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    • Replies: @jtgw
    Your comments could have been written by a pessimistic white nationalist, lol.
    , @KenH
    Tiny Duck? I think you forgot to change the "u" to an "i".
    , @fish
    Again with the reruns........!?
  11. @Tiny Duck
    Sucks for you guys that the demographics are not in your favor and that white girls are increasingly lusting after Men of Color.

    How does it feel knowing that your sisters, daughters, and granddaughters will being bearing Children of Color and rejecting your vision of society?

    Your comments could have been written by a pessimistic white nationalist, lol.

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  12. Merkel is merely fulfilling Hitl0r’s vision

    “You see, it’s been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn’t we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?”

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  13. @Tiny Duck
    Sucks for you guys that the demographics are not in your favor and that white girls are increasingly lusting after Men of Color.

    How does it feel knowing that your sisters, daughters, and granddaughters will being bearing Children of Color and rejecting your vision of society?

    Tiny Duck? I think you forgot to change the “u” to an “i”.

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  14. NEVER DEPORT ILLEGALS TO THEIR HOME COUNTRIES.

    First World countries should as a matter of principle insist that any illegal who has committed crimes must be deported immediately to a THIRD COUNTRY, not the home country which by definition he decided to leave behind.

    Deportation should be based on a bidding system where Third World countries are offered a chance submit bids for the service of housing and feeding batches of, e.g. 10,000 individuals. Beneficiaries of this scheme get to live for up to 12 months in their new home. After that, they will need to fend for themselves on their new home.

    Some culturally vibrant countries such as Mali or Burkina Faso could make some real money in this new business. For their part, Muslim illegals will be happy to be back among loving, caring co-religionists.

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  15. The Danish people Party and the Conservative party have begun to push for the government to place deported migrants engaged in “tolerated occupation” in closed up asylum enters or in need be, jail until the host nation from which they “came” will accept them.

    There is just two things standing in the way of it, the current liberal/social-democratic alliance and the Humanitarian treaty we were were convinced to sign by the Zionist owned US and UN alliance.

    Thanks a lot Murica, your own need to cover your soldiers asses in case of hostility abroad, have doomed Europe. We can’t break that treaty without getting hammed with sanctions by your UN creation.

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  16. @Talha
    Interesting article. I totally agree that these immigration policies are indeed maddening judging from these details. This level of ineptitude cannot simply be negligence, can it?

    But again, complete silence from Mr. Derbyshire on "Europe's Murdering Muslims" - ahem "Europe is Murdering Muslims" by its collusion with idiotic US policy in the Middle East.

    Peace.

    Bonus:
    "We found a growing sense of grievance among sections of the White population, and a stronger sense of identification with the plight of "Whites" or global White community."

    Wow - will you look at that? A switch of a couple of nouns and it doesn't sound too threatening does it?

    It is not negligence. It is a global conspiracy. What the progressives have to gain from turning the west into 3rd world hellholes I have no idea but there is no such thing as coincidence on this scale in so many different western countries.

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    • Replies: @Talha
    Hey NG,

    Yeah - that's what I just cannot figure out. It does look to be too organized - or maybe they are caught up in their own hubris to be blinded to the results. How can it possibly end well for anybody - immigrants, natives? It just doesn't make any sense.

    Peace.
  17. Derb, great article, as always.

    I just hope I’m around when the MSM do a 180 degree turnaround and start doing reporting like this. Wishful thinking (for a whole variety of reasons), I know.

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  18. “You see, it’s been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn’t we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?” Hitler as quoted in Inside the Third Reich: Memoirs, by Albert Speer, p. 115.

    Thanks Marcus.

    Europe killed the Jews and now makes up for it by importing people who will kill Jews.

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    • Replies: @5371
    So maybe you Jews shouldn't be working quite so hard to make sure Europe goes on importing Muslims, Ben? Or is that too dramatic a step in logic for the self-styled HighestIQPeopleIn TheWorld?
    , @Avery
    {Europe killed the Jews and now makes up for it by importing people who will kill Jews.}

    Well, not really 'Europe'.
    Nazi Germans killed/murdered Jews, with some collaboration from French and some Eastern European counties (e.g. Nazi Ukrainians).
    Nazi Germans also killed/murdered millions of Slavs.

    Soviet Union, partly in Europe, saved European Jews from complete annihilation by defeating Nazi Germany. If Hitler had not invaded USSR, Europe would be Gross Germania today and there would be no European Jews left, save for those who were in or escaped to USSR.
    , @Stop It!
    Europe did NOT kill the Jews! Stop Lying! Many thousands of people who were not Jewish HELPED Jews. Millions died fighting to help free Jews! It is sickening to see these lies foisted on us day in and day out! JUST STOP IT! It would be like people claiming that the Jews killed 36 million Christians in Russia! And then blaming the Jews for the last 80 years!
  19. The elites hate us. The elites own the media and are at the top of Wall St. and the government.

    “These studies suggest that people who are prone to want to protect their power by dominating others will engage in behaviors that promote their own interests over those of the team in cases where their power is in jeopardy. ”

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/ulterior-motives/201412/bad-leaders-hold-power

    See also: The Dictator’s Handbook: Why Bad Behavior is Almost Always Good Politics
    by Bruce Bueno de Mesquita (Author), Alastair Smith (Author)

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    • Replies: @another fred

    “These studies suggest that people who are prone to want to protect their power by dominating others will engage in behaviors that promote their own interests over those of the team in cases where their power is in jeopardy. ”
     
    In other news, water runs downhill, and bears shit in the woods. ;-)
  20. @Nick Granite
    It is not negligence. It is a global conspiracy. What the progressives have to gain from turning the west into 3rd world hellholes I have no idea but there is no such thing as coincidence on this scale in so many different western countries.

    Hey NG,

    Yeah – that’s what I just cannot figure out. It does look to be too organized – or maybe they are caught up in their own hubris to be blinded to the results. How can it possibly end well for anybody – immigrants, natives? It just doesn’t make any sense.

    Peace.

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  21. @Ben Frank
    "You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?" Hitler as quoted in Inside the Third Reich: Memoirs, by Albert Speer, p. 115.

    Thanks Marcus.

    Europe killed the Jews and now makes up for it by importing people who will kill Jews.

    So maybe you Jews shouldn’t be working quite so hard to make sure Europe goes on importing Muslims, Ben? Or is that too dramatic a step in logic for the self-styled HighestIQPeopleIn TheWorld?

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    • Replies: @Avery
    I think he was being sarcastic.

    here is one of his previous posts from another thread:

    {Ben Frank
    November 29, 2016 at 3:16 pm GMT
    The only way out is to listen to George Washington and avoid foreign entanglements.}


    Doesn't sound like your typical Neocon Jew (if he is Jewish) itching to meddle everywhere and cause harm to Christiandom.
  22. @5371
    So maybe you Jews shouldn't be working quite so hard to make sure Europe goes on importing Muslims, Ben? Or is that too dramatic a step in logic for the self-styled HighestIQPeopleIn TheWorld?

    I think he was being sarcastic.

    here is one of his previous posts from another thread:

    {Ben Frank
    November 29, 2016 at 3:16 pm GMT
    The only way out is to listen to George Washington and avoid foreign entanglements.}

    Doesn’t sound like your typical Neocon Jew (if he is Jewish) itching to meddle everywhere and cause harm to Christiandom.

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  23. @Ben Frank
    "You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?" Hitler as quoted in Inside the Third Reich: Memoirs, by Albert Speer, p. 115.

    Thanks Marcus.

    Europe killed the Jews and now makes up for it by importing people who will kill Jews.

    {Europe killed the Jews and now makes up for it by importing people who will kill Jews.}

    Well, not really ‘Europe’.
    Nazi Germans killed/murdered Jews, with some collaboration from French and some Eastern European counties (e.g. Nazi Ukrainians).
    Nazi Germans also killed/murdered millions of Slavs.

    Soviet Union, partly in Europe, saved European Jews from complete annihilation by defeating Nazi Germany. If Hitler had not invaded USSR, Europe would be Gross Germania today and there would be no European Jews left, save for those who were in or escaped to USSR.

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  24. @Ben Frank
    The elites hate us. The elites own the media and are at the top of Wall St. and the government.

    "These studies suggest that people who are prone to want to protect their power by dominating others will engage in behaviors that promote their own interests over those of the team in cases where their power is in jeopardy. "
    https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/ulterior-motives/201412/bad-leaders-hold-power

    See also: The Dictator's Handbook: Why Bad Behavior is Almost Always Good Politics
    by Bruce Bueno de Mesquita (Author), Alastair Smith (Author)

    “These studies suggest that people who are prone to want to protect their power by dominating others will engage in behaviors that promote their own interests over those of the team in cases where their power is in jeopardy. ”

    In other news, water runs downhill, and bears shit in the woods. ;-)

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  25. @Talha
    Interesting article. I totally agree that these immigration policies are indeed maddening judging from these details. This level of ineptitude cannot simply be negligence, can it?

    But again, complete silence from Mr. Derbyshire on "Europe's Murdering Muslims" - ahem "Europe is Murdering Muslims" by its collusion with idiotic US policy in the Middle East.

    Peace.

    Bonus:
    "We found a growing sense of grievance among sections of the White population, and a stronger sense of identification with the plight of "Whites" or global White community."

    Wow - will you look at that? A switch of a couple of nouns and it doesn't sound too threatening does it?

    I don’t think Derb is looking for solutions beyond border control. He might admit that borders would be easier to control were the West to refrain from mass murder of Muslims in Muslim countries. But first there would have to be a will to control borders in European Officialdom. There is not. The former sovereign nations of Europe have no borders until they regain their sovereignty. The European Union must be dissolved or the “diverse” European cultures will become extinct.

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    Hey WC,

    The European Union must be dissolved or the “diverse” European cultures will become extinct.
     
    This sounds right - the EU is probably the first non-military attempt to 'unify' Europe - and seems to be working out about as well as all the previous attempts.

    Peace.
  26. @WorkingClass
    I don't think Derb is looking for solutions beyond border control. He might admit that borders would be easier to control were the West to refrain from mass murder of Muslims in Muslim countries. But first there would have to be a will to control borders in European Officialdom. There is not. The former sovereign nations of Europe have no borders until they regain their sovereignty. The European Union must be dissolved or the "diverse" European cultures will become extinct.

    Hey WC,

    The European Union must be dissolved or the “diverse” European cultures will become extinct.

    This sounds right – the EU is probably the first non-military attempt to ‘unify’ Europe – and seems to be working out about as well as all the previous attempts.

    Peace.

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  27. This article is total rubbish.

    Has not Derbyshire heard of Coudenhove-Kalergi’s PanEuropa which is a plan by those (((people))) to flood Europe with brown people and destroy the white race to allow (((them))) to rule Europe?

    This was an idea first promoted by Col House and Dulles at Versailles in 1919 during the Armistice talks to end WWI, speaking on behalf of their (((friends))) in the US.

    It was adopted by (((Koudenhove-Kalergi))) and promoted amongst the (((shill))) political classes in Europe.

    (((Merkel))) is only doing what she is told as are all the other political shills and Quislings including PM May. They have willingly accepted their 30 pieces of silver and are now betraying the people they are supposed to represent.

    This is the real story. Derbyshire is talking Cods wallop by ignoring the elephant in the room.

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    • Replies: @Jay Igaboo
    Yup.

    Funny, ain't it, how "Koudenhove-Kalergi", is very rarely mentioned in the MSM-- far less in schools and universities-" but White concerns are auto-excoriated, tagged as "hate" and "racism"?


    Other vitally important phrases that shine a light on how we have come to the edge of the precipice are also verboten- " Marcusian physcology in deconstructing values " and "How Cloward-Piven theory aims to bring ruin and chaos " should be both mooted and explained, until the sheep "get it".
    , @Che Guava
    Why do you put Merkel in triple parentheses?

    I know what it means, and I agree that she appears to be a Manchurian candidate, I have never heard that she is one of the 'chosen'.

    Have anything to back your claim up? Don't think so.

    However, she was a loyal functionary in the DDR's Socialist Unity Party, that is a fact.
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    Borders are only difficult and complicated if people want them to be. As soon as the EU Elites decided it is either strict immigration control or the end of their jobs — they can figure it out.

    It’s a lot easier than eliminating GMO crops, or the incredibly complex trade regime.

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    The Murdering-Muslims are good. It’s the un-murdering-Muslims that lower the guards of the West.

    When Muslims kill, it helps the nationalist-nativist cause.

    The much bigger problem is black African men creating black lives in white wombs.

    It is the black invasion of white wombs that will be the doom for the West.

    Muslim kill 100s each year.

    Africans will impregnate millions of white wombs as yrs pass.

    All those white wombs that could have had white kids will produce black kids.

    It is silent murder. White-kids-that-coulda-been are replaced-killed by black babies that take the place of white-kids-that-coulda-been.

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  30. Why not give these WAPO’s DNA tests and send them to the closest fit country.

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  31. The German “Gutmenschen” ( Green) mentality is one of the prime elements in this dilema and their desire for a no-borders, no nations globe incorporating world communism, is the driving factor behind the ” Refugees welcome” movement in Germany.

    All roads lead to Rome, Rome in this equasion being world communism, and this is the actual only goal of the German ” Gutmensch” nut-cases.

    Authenticjazzman, “Mensa” society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.

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  32. Many years ago I visited my MP and protested (unsuccessfully, of course) about the tsunami of refugees that are swamping Britain. Like Israel’s political leaders. I was concerned about the ethnic and cultural identity of my homeland, compounded by the fact that The Left and bien pensant imbeciles on the Right colluded to give them much , much more than save haven, but were taken Marxist Cloward-Piven theory to its malignant extremes.

    (The Cloward–Piven strategy is a political strategy outlined in 1966 by American sociologists and Marxist loonies Richard Cloward and Frances Fox Piven that called for overloading the welfare systems in order to precipitate a crisis that would lead to the chaos Marxists consider ideal for revolution).

    Here in the UK, they are given social housing before, for example, my hard-working( but poorly paid) sons, and once they arrive here, they can soon bring their wives and children, and continue to breed incontinently, and thus, without working, derive and obscene level of income for doing absolutely nothing for us, for example, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3450746/Jobless-Somali-refugee-family-rehoused-2m-mansion-1-3m-semi.html.

    My MP trotted out the usual “That’s racist” auto-response, but when I refused to be cowed by that, again auto-responded with “I’ll never deny shelter to someone fleeing persecution.”
    When I pointed out that they had passed through many countries, including many Muslim countries to get to soft-touch Britain, he grimaced like a thief caught red-handed and nothing but further lies and evasions ensued.
    Why is it that a nation can protect its Jewish identity without being vilified as racist, yet a White Briton, concerned by his own nation’s loss of identity, national cohesion and security, is immediately classed beside a Ku Klux Klan lynch mob or SS concentration camp guards?
    Given that (mostly secular) Jews the Western nations that gave THEIR earlier generations succour, are the main propagators of the PC dogma that is destroying White Europe, isn’t it ironic that the Jewish nation of Israel gets a free pass to ensure the racial identity of THEIR ancestral homeland?

    PC is so deeply ingrained in university-“educated” White Westerners that most are either blind to, or too afraid to challenge, the double standards of PC zealots.
    The writer of this piece displays this when he asserts that female refugees should be given asylum, whilst males shouldn’t—why?
    “Wimmen” demand the right to be equal to man in all things—except when equality means that THEY have to suck it up.
    Here in Scotland, we have lots and lots of unoccupied islands where “asylum seekers” can be very safely accommodated in very basic conditions until those with no papers “remember” where they came from and can be deported, and the others can have their minds more focused on returning to from whence they came.

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    “I’ll never deny shelter to someone fleeing persecution using your money”
  33. It is hilarious in a dark way that The Guardian, predictably and against all visual and audible evidence, continues to bang on about child refugees.

    It is an amazing display of untruth. Needless to say, they are running hard with the unsabstantiated tales of Russia ‘hacking the election’.

    I prefer to believe Assange, who plainly stated that the leaks did not originate from a Russian source, violating the usual Wikileaks policy of not commenting on sources, only because the lie is being pushed so hard.

    Personally, I would find a disgruntled Sandernista, plus a few random hackers of the closet dyke’s insecure private server, far more likely as sources of the leaks.

    Evidence or STFU.

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  34. @Pirouette
    This article is total rubbish.

    Has not Derbyshire heard of Coudenhove-Kalergi's PanEuropa which is a plan by those (((people))) to flood Europe with brown people and destroy the white race to allow (((them))) to rule Europe?

    This was an idea first promoted by Col House and Dulles at Versailles in 1919 during the Armistice talks to end WWI, speaking on behalf of their (((friends))) in the US.

    It was adopted by (((Koudenhove-Kalergi))) and promoted amongst the (((shill))) political classes in Europe.

    (((Merkel))) is only doing what she is told as are all the other political shills and Quislings including PM May. They have willingly accepted their 30 pieces of silver and are now betraying the people they are supposed to represent.

    This is the real story. Derbyshire is talking Cods wallop by ignoring the elephant in the room.

    Yup.

    Funny, ain’t it, how “Koudenhove-Kalergi”, is very rarely mentioned in the MSM– far less in schools and universities-” but White concerns are auto-excoriated, tagged as “hate” and “racism”?

    Other vitally important phrases that shine a light on how we have come to the edge of the precipice are also verboten- ” Marcusian physcology in deconstructing values ” and “How Cloward-Piven theory aims to bring ruin and chaos ” should be both mooted and explained, until the sheep “get it”.

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  35. @Pirouette
    This article is total rubbish.

    Has not Derbyshire heard of Coudenhove-Kalergi's PanEuropa which is a plan by those (((people))) to flood Europe with brown people and destroy the white race to allow (((them))) to rule Europe?

    This was an idea first promoted by Col House and Dulles at Versailles in 1919 during the Armistice talks to end WWI, speaking on behalf of their (((friends))) in the US.

    It was adopted by (((Koudenhove-Kalergi))) and promoted amongst the (((shill))) political classes in Europe.

    (((Merkel))) is only doing what she is told as are all the other political shills and Quislings including PM May. They have willingly accepted their 30 pieces of silver and are now betraying the people they are supposed to represent.

    This is the real story. Derbyshire is talking Cods wallop by ignoring the elephant in the room.

    Why do you put Merkel in triple parentheses?

    I know what it means, and I agree that she appears to be a Manchurian candidate, I have never heard that she is one of the ‘chosen’.

    Have anything to back your claim up? Don’t think so.

    However, she was a loyal functionary in the DDR’s Socialist Unity Party, that is a fact.

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  36. @Jay Igaboo
    Many years ago I visited my MP and protested (unsuccessfully, of course) about the tsunami of refugees that are swamping Britain. Like Israel's political leaders. I was concerned about the ethnic and cultural identity of my homeland, compounded by the fact that The Left and bien pensant imbeciles on the Right colluded to give them much , much more than save haven, but were taken Marxist Cloward-Piven theory to its malignant extremes.

    (The Cloward–Piven strategy is a political strategy outlined in 1966 by American sociologists and Marxist loonies Richard Cloward and Frances Fox Piven that called for overloading the welfare systems in order to precipitate a crisis that would lead to the chaos Marxists consider ideal for revolution).

    Here in the UK, they are given social housing before, for example, my hard-working( but poorly paid) sons, and once they arrive here, they can soon bring their wives and children, and continue to breed incontinently, and thus, without working, derive and obscene level of income for doing absolutely nothing for us, for example, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3450746/Jobless-Somali-refugee-family-rehoused-2m-mansion-1-3m-semi.html.

    My MP trotted out the usual “That’s racist” auto-response, but when I refused to be cowed by that, again auto-responded with “I’ll never deny shelter to someone fleeing persecution.”
    When I pointed out that they had passed through many countries, including many Muslim countries to get to soft-touch Britain, he grimaced like a thief caught red-handed and nothing but further lies and evasions ensued.
    Why is it that a nation can protect its Jewish identity without being vilified as racist, yet a White Briton, concerned by his own nation’s loss of identity, national cohesion and security, is immediately classed beside a Ku Klux Klan lynch mob or SS concentration camp guards?
    Given that (mostly secular) Jews the Western nations that gave THEIR earlier generations succour, are the main propagators of the PC dogma that is destroying White Europe, isn’t it ironic that the Jewish nation of Israel gets a free pass to ensure the racial identity of THEIR ancestral homeland?

    PC is so deeply ingrained in university-“educated” White Westerners that most are either blind to, or too afraid to challenge, the double standards of PC zealots.
    The writer of this piece displays this when he asserts that female refugees should be given asylum, whilst males shouldn’t—why?
    “Wimmen” demand the right to be equal to man in all things—except when equality means that THEY have to suck it up.
    Here in Scotland, we have lots and lots of unoccupied islands where “asylum seekers” can be very safely accommodated in very basic conditions until those with no papers “remember” where they came from and can be deported, and the others can have their minds more focused on returning to from whence they came.

    “I’ll never deny shelter to someone fleeing persecution using your money”

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    • Replies: @Jay Igaboo
    It's much, much worse than using my or others money. The fat SOB of an MP (John Robertson, Labour) has been one of the political class criminals who betrayed the people they are purported to represent.
    We are already losing blood and treasure because of mass immigration, but what has happened so far will be miniscule compared to what is to come, the children and future generations of host and immigrant alike will pay a terrible cost.

    Considering what is at stake, nothing would please me more than for history proves me to be a stupid, bigoted old fool, and liberals to be the clever, morally superior and wise beings that their conceit and the flattery of The Establishment convinces them that they are, but so far, each passing day makes this unlikely.
    I fear that this generation of political/media class swine and their enablers have sown the seeds of Europe's destruction.
  37. @KenH

    This really isn’t rocket science. Sure, you can make a case for admitting some refugees from war zones into your country. But that should not include males of military age. There’s a civil war in your country? Pick a side and get a weapon.
     
    Exactly, Derb. But effeminate white scribblers constantly bemoan the presence of "hyper masculine" Muslim males in Europe. But if these male refugees were truly so tough and masculine they would remain in the Middle East to fight and not run away to Europe like yellow bellies to sexually assault European women (and sometimes men) and live on welfare.

    I live in Europe and my experience of ME men is that they are generally effeminate and you would need three or four of them to grow a half-decent mustache. Not sure about the origins of the hyper masculine label, is this meant seriously or sarcastically?

    There are plenty of men in Europe who take a dim view of the direction our politicians have taken us. The elderly always vote for ‘their party’ irrespective of policy; the young are idiots and are duped by the nonsense from social media; and the rest of us are pissed off to the gills.

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    Not sure about the origins of the hyper masculine label, is this meant seriously or sarcastically?
     
    I can't remember if I the author who coined "hyper-masculine" to describe Muslim refugees was from a mainstream source or alternative, but it was in a couple of articles floating around the internet. Probably written by someone who thinks any man who can do five pushups and has sex once a year is "hyper-masculine" and full of testosterone.

    It's heartening to hear so many European men aren't happy about what's going on. But it's equally disheartening that some pretty, young European women acted as the welcome wagon for incoming refugees with big "Welcome" signs. Some even complied when a few of the Muslim men asked for kisses judging by a couple of youtube videos. I don't think Muslim women would be kissing European invaders and if they did their families would stone them to death.

    Otherwise, it sounds like the situation in Europe isn't too different than in America with our nut job millenial social justice warriors and working class whites who vote Democrat because "they're for the working man" despite their support for race replacement policies and other evidence to the contrary. Trump managed to steal quite a few of the working class folks from the Democrats in our recent election.

  38. There’s no way for European governments to know where an illegal has come from, nor anything else about him. Britain recently cut a deal to take in child refugees from the illegals camp in Calais, Northern France. When the kiddies arrived, they turned out to be muscular six-foot guys with three-day growths of chin stubble. [Fury at ‘soft checks’ on child migrants: Adults pretending to be children say aid workers, By Giles Sheldrick, Express [UK] October 19, 2016]

    To avoid the confusion, writers need to use the American media term for this vibrant demographic of man-children-angels: “youths”.

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    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
    Can't use "youths". Frightens the horses, don'tcha know.
    Too redolent of the dreadlocks, chronic urban rioting, mugging gangs and Yardies d'antan.
    Pronounced "yutes" (like the barbarian tribe) or "alla dem yoot". Used to be media code for "black thugs".
  39. JD – it is not like you to affect ignorance. You know perfectly well that the Casey woman is not properly styled “Dame Casey” but “Dame Louise Casey” or “Dame Louise”. Would Churchill’s butler have addressed him as “Sir Churchill”? Of course not. You should not confuse your adopted fellow countrymen. Practical billionaires wanting to hire a bit of class already have enough trouble instructing their secretaries which Dukes are “Your Royal Highness” and which merely “Your Grace”.

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  40. One way to solve the problem………all muzzies brought to the USA should be settled in jooie infested locales: all of NY……Skokie, IL……..Santa Monica, Fairfax, WLA, Brentwood, CA. Watch the NIMBY effect in hilarious real time and ZOG immediately passing a law to ban the importation of muzzies. Problem solved at minimal expense.

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  41. @El Dato
    “I’ll never deny shelter to someone fleeing persecution using your money”

    It’s much, much worse than using my or others money. The fat SOB of an MP (John Robertson, Labour) has been one of the political class criminals who betrayed the people they are purported to represent.
    We are already losing blood and treasure because of mass immigration, but what has happened so far will be miniscule compared to what is to come, the children and future generations of host and immigrant alike will pay a terrible cost.

    Considering what is at stake, nothing would please me more than for history proves me to be a stupid, bigoted old fool, and liberals to be the clever, morally superior and wise beings that their conceit and the flattery of The Establishment convinces them that they are, but so far, each passing day makes this unlikely.
    I fear that this generation of political/media class swine and their enablers have sown the seeds of Europe’s destruction.

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  42. All this immigrant nonsense is sustained because of the false & impossible premise of ’6M Jews, 5M others, and gas chambers’.

    Recall strict Israeli laws which ban all non-Jew immigration into “that shitty little country” while those same supremacist Jews then demand massive immigration into the US & Europe.

    [MORE]

    Then look up the anti free speech Anti-Semitism Awareness Act …. scary stuff.

    Must reads:
    Holocaust Handbooks & Documentaries

    http://holocausthandbooks.com

    and:

    http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1

    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:

    http://codoh.com

    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:

    http://forum.codoh.com

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    Your source or examples please for "those same supremacist Jews [demanding] massive immigration into .... Europe"????
  43. July 07, 2014 57 Years Ago: U.S. and Britain Approved Use of Islamic Extremists to Topple Syrian Government

    Have the U.S. and Its Allies Intentionally Balkanized Syria Into Smaller Regions? BBC reports that – in 1957 – the British and American leaders approved the use of Islamic extremists and false flag attacks to topple the Syrian government: Nearly 50 years before the war in Iraq, Britain and America sought a secretive “regime change” in another Arab country… by planning the invasion of Syria and the assassination of leading figures.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/57-years-ago-u-s-and-britain-approved-use-of-islamic-extremists-to-topple-syrian-government/5390279

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  44. @Talha
    Interesting article. I totally agree that these immigration policies are indeed maddening judging from these details. This level of ineptitude cannot simply be negligence, can it?

    But again, complete silence from Mr. Derbyshire on "Europe's Murdering Muslims" - ahem "Europe is Murdering Muslims" by its collusion with idiotic US policy in the Middle East.

    Peace.

    Bonus:
    "We found a growing sense of grievance among sections of the White population, and a stronger sense of identification with the plight of "Whites" or global White community."

    Wow - will you look at that? A switch of a couple of nouns and it doesn't sound too threatening does it?

    During your 5x daily head bumping you should be praying to and thanking the stupid traitorous liberals who govern so many civilized nations. Traitors like Obama and Merkel who encourage Muslim immigration. No real American wants so many Muslims coming in here. Somalians? There is zero upside for America in allowing so many to come here. If you can tell me what Somalians do here that is positive, let me know.
    SubCons?….. a bunch of tax cheats and you know it. Their philosophy is “Paying taxes is for suckers, and Americans”

    So before you thank Allah and your non-prophet Muhammad you must pray to and exalt liberal white people who are your real gods before all others. Who in their right mind wants to live in a Muslim nation? This is why you live here.

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    Mawlana Clyde - happy Jumu'ah! Are you going to be giving the khutbah today?

    No real American wants so many Muslims coming in here.
     
    OK - got it - you are a real American:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAU3iINiLCE

    You go in your chuddies and boots!


    If you can tell me what Somalians do here that is positive, let me know.
     
    Not sure, but some are encouraging them to come back now that things are stabilizing - good news - eh?
    "Thousands of Somalis have left comfortable, secure lives in the West to return to Somalia."
    http://www.trtworld.com/mea/going-back-somalias-diaspora-return-home-51506

    "Why I moved back to Somalia (and you should, too)."
    http://www.seattleglobalist.com/2016/02/02/why-i-moved-back-to-somalia-somali-diaspora-seattle/47097


    you must pray to and exalt liberal white people who are your real gods before all others
     
    No Mawlana Clyde, no! That is shirk, bro! That's OK - once you complete your course on Aqeedah Tahawiyyah of Aqeedah Nasafiyyah, you'll be cured of that affliction.

    Who in their right mind wants to live in a Muslim nation?
     
    Ask the thousands of Somalis moving back, maybe they'll know.

    Peace.

  45. And just to think of those 3 million empty air-conditioned tents in Saudi Arabia (in charge of human rights at the UN). So sad, and such a wasted opportunity for islam to show its true humanitarian side.

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  46. i wonder why crazed, vengeance-minded muslims don’t attack south america? why is it only the coalition of the willfully ignorant nations that are targeted?
    i wonder if the d.c. dunces realize they are endangering the lives of innocent people here at home by the murder of muslims abroad?

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  47. Derb, there’s reason to believe that connivance of state intelligence and police agencies is involved in many of these attacks. In other words, these attacks are not coming with the authorities having their thumbs up their backsides. Might be an idea to mention this.

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    What reason? Apart from some rare instance that is truly an putlier event?
  48. @Clyde
    During your 5x daily head bumping you should be praying to and thanking the stupid traitorous liberals who govern so many civilized nations. Traitors like Obama and Merkel who encourage Muslim immigration. No real American wants so many Muslims coming in here. Somalians? There is zero upside for America in allowing so many to come here. If you can tell me what Somalians do here that is positive, let me know.
    SubCons?..... a bunch of tax cheats and you know it. Their philosophy is "Paying taxes is for suckers, and Americans"

    So before you thank Allah and your non-prophet Muhammad you must pray to and exalt liberal white people who are your real gods before all others. Who in their right mind wants to live in a Muslim nation? This is why you live here.

    Mawlana Clyde – happy Jumu’ah! Are you going to be giving the khutbah today?

    No real American wants so many Muslims coming in here.

    OK – got it – you are a real American:

    You go in your chuddies and boots!

    If you can tell me what Somalians do here that is positive, let me know.

    Not sure, but some are encouraging them to come back now that things are stabilizing – good news – eh?
    “Thousands of Somalis have left comfortable, secure lives in the West to return to Somalia.”

    http://www.trtworld.com/mea/going-back-somalias-diaspora-return-home-51506

    “Why I moved back to Somalia (and you should, too).”

    http://www.seattleglobalist.com/2016/02/02/why-i-moved-back-to-somalia-somali-diaspora-seattle/47097

    you must pray to and exalt liberal white people who are your real gods before all others

    No Mawlana Clyde, no! That is shirk, bro! That’s OK – once you complete your course on Aqeedah Tahawiyyah of Aqeedah Nasafiyyah, you’ll be cured of that affliction.

    Who in their right mind wants to live in a Muslim nation?

    Ask the thousands of Somalis moving back, maybe they’ll know.

    Peace.

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    • Replies: @Clyde
    I will be praying for you brother, that in the New Year of 2017 you will join the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community. I like the way they roll and they even have their own Mahdi. How cool is this!
    They even like the Zoroastrians! No wonder the Iranian ayatollahs hate their guts.
    ____

    Wikipedia:
    Thus, Ahmadi Muslims regard Mirza Ghulam Ahmad as that Mahdi and, by extension, the "Promised One" of all religions fulfilling eschatological prophecies found in the scriptures of the Abrahamic religions, as well as Zoroastrianism, the Indian religions, Native American traditions and others.[35] Ahmadi Muslims believe that Ahmad was divinely commissioned as a true reflection of Muhammad's prophethood to establish the unity of God and to remind mankind of their duties towards God and His creation.[36][37]
  49. @The King is a Fink
    I live in Europe and my experience of ME men is that they are generally effeminate and you would need three or four of them to grow a half-decent mustache. Not sure about the origins of the hyper masculine label, is this meant seriously or sarcastically?

    There are plenty of men in Europe who take a dim view of the direction our politicians have taken us. The elderly always vote for 'their party' irrespective of policy; the young are idiots and are duped by the nonsense from social media; and the rest of us are pissed off to the gills.

    Not sure about the origins of the hyper masculine label, is this meant seriously or sarcastically?

    I can’t remember if I the author who coined “hyper-masculine” to describe Muslim refugees was from a mainstream source or alternative, but it was in a couple of articles floating around the internet. Probably written by someone who thinks any man who can do five pushups and has sex once a year is “hyper-masculine” and full of testosterone.

    It’s heartening to hear so many European men aren’t happy about what’s going on. But it’s equally disheartening that some pretty, young European women acted as the welcome wagon for incoming refugees with big “Welcome” signs. Some even complied when a few of the Muslim men asked for kisses judging by a couple of youtube videos. I don’t think Muslim women would be kissing European invaders and if they did their families would stone them to death.

    Otherwise, it sounds like the situation in Europe isn’t too different than in America with our nut job millenial social justice warriors and working class whites who vote Democrat because “they’re for the working man” despite their support for race replacement policies and other evidence to the contrary. Trump managed to steal quite a few of the working class folks from the Democrats in our recent election.

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  50. @Talha
    Interesting article. I totally agree that these immigration policies are indeed maddening judging from these details. This level of ineptitude cannot simply be negligence, can it?

    But again, complete silence from Mr. Derbyshire on "Europe's Murdering Muslims" - ahem "Europe is Murdering Muslims" by its collusion with idiotic US policy in the Middle East.

    Peace.

    Bonus:
    "We found a growing sense of grievance among sections of the White population, and a stronger sense of identification with the plight of "Whites" or global White community."

    Wow - will you look at that? A switch of a couple of nouns and it doesn't sound too threatening does it?

    Fake grievance excuse alert.

    The total death toll among Muslims due to US foreign policy in the 230 years since the founding of the US is probably less than the average yearly intra-Muslim death toll due to intersectarian and intertribal violence, government repression, underdevelopment, botched clitorectomies, etc…

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    Hey biz,

    Sorry for putting two and two together. Most people here get that 'invite the world' is connected to 'invade the world' - you have a different opinion.

    I have a brother I carpool with to Friday prayers. Wonderful guy, White convert - married a Somali. I mentioned to him the articles I found out about Somalis moving back and he said, yes, it was a big thing and many in the community are talking about it and organizing it in the Somali online chat rooms. He knows of families that have moved. Their main concern is the children; they aren't liking that their youth are becoming wayward and losing their religion and culture, also the kids are becoming spoiled materially (since they come from a place where people get by without much). And now that things are relatively stable, many are even pooling resources together to move back in whole groups. He said his own wife has hinted at it.

    So...lesson is, when people have a relatively stable society, they won't want to move here in large numbers. So let's not break up any more of those societies - makes sense?

    Speaking of fake excuse alerts...


    The total death toll among Muslims due to US foreign policy in the 230 years since the founding of the US is probably less than the average yearly intra-Muslim death
     
    You have made a claim; prove it. I'm not doing your homework for you nor do I accept your premise merely because you can type it out.

    Let me know when you have the stats, I'll be watching my inbox.

    Peace.

    , @Clyde

    botched clitorectomies.....
     
    Especially the ones done with shards from a Heineken bottle.
  51. @biz
    Fake grievance excuse alert.

    The total death toll among Muslims due to US foreign policy in the 230 years since the founding of the US is probably less than the average yearly intra-Muslim death toll due to intersectarian and intertribal violence, government repression, underdevelopment, botched clitorectomies, etc...

    Hey biz,

    Sorry for putting two and two together. Most people here get that ‘invite the world’ is connected to ‘invade the world’ – you have a different opinion.

    I have a brother I carpool with to Friday prayers. Wonderful guy, White convert – married a Somali. I mentioned to him the articles I found out about Somalis moving back and he said, yes, it was a big thing and many in the community are talking about it and organizing it in the Somali online chat rooms. He knows of families that have moved. Their main concern is the children; they aren’t liking that their youth are becoming wayward and losing their religion and culture, also the kids are becoming spoiled materially (since they come from a place where people get by without much). And now that things are relatively stable, many are even pooling resources together to move back in whole groups. He said his own wife has hinted at it.

    So…lesson is, when people have a relatively stable society, they won’t want to move here in large numbers. So let’s not break up any more of those societies – makes sense?

    Speaking of fake excuse alerts…

    The total death toll among Muslims due to US foreign policy in the 230 years since the founding of the US is probably less than the average yearly intra-Muslim death

    You have made a claim; prove it. I’m not doing your homework for you nor do I accept your premise merely because you can type it out.

    Let me know when you have the stats, I’ll be watching my inbox.

    Peace.

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    Sorry, by 'I have a brother', I meant a Muslim brother - not my real blood brother; just to eliminate confusion.
    , @Jay Igaboo
    Talha, I can't speak for the " average yearly" toll of intra-Muslim deaths, just off the top of my head, The Iran-Iraq war lost 1,000,000 Muslim lives, The Ottoman Empire's Armenian Holocaust, took c.3 1/2M, I don't think the Yanks are anywhere near that.
    You can add those killed in the various Muslim sectarian slaughters, the worst I know of being the Dungan revolt. An trustworthy and accurate account is impossible to get but the numbers claimed are mind-boggling.
    But forgive, me, I know that Islam is The Religion of Peace. I suppose the Koranically sanctioned rape and slavery is very peaceful rape and slavery.
  52. @Talha
    Hey biz,

    Sorry for putting two and two together. Most people here get that 'invite the world' is connected to 'invade the world' - you have a different opinion.

    I have a brother I carpool with to Friday prayers. Wonderful guy, White convert - married a Somali. I mentioned to him the articles I found out about Somalis moving back and he said, yes, it was a big thing and many in the community are talking about it and organizing it in the Somali online chat rooms. He knows of families that have moved. Their main concern is the children; they aren't liking that their youth are becoming wayward and losing their religion and culture, also the kids are becoming spoiled materially (since they come from a place where people get by without much). And now that things are relatively stable, many are even pooling resources together to move back in whole groups. He said his own wife has hinted at it.

    So...lesson is, when people have a relatively stable society, they won't want to move here in large numbers. So let's not break up any more of those societies - makes sense?

    Speaking of fake excuse alerts...


    The total death toll among Muslims due to US foreign policy in the 230 years since the founding of the US is probably less than the average yearly intra-Muslim death
     
    You have made a claim; prove it. I'm not doing your homework for you nor do I accept your premise merely because you can type it out.

    Let me know when you have the stats, I'll be watching my inbox.

    Peace.

    Sorry, by ‘I have a brother’, I meant a Muslim brother – not my real blood brother; just to eliminate confusion.

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  53. Short of using military force or sanctions to intimidate countries into accepting back refugees the only option is to build more camps. Once the word gets round that refugees without papers get the Australian treatment then refugees numbers will inevitably go down. It’s costly, but it’s the only realistic solution in liberal western countries that don’t have the will to impose tougher solutions. I would also like to see the death penalty imposed for people smuggling, but that just isn’t realistic in today’s political climate.

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  54. @Talha
    Mawlana Clyde - happy Jumu'ah! Are you going to be giving the khutbah today?

    No real American wants so many Muslims coming in here.
     
    OK - got it - you are a real American:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAU3iINiLCE

    You go in your chuddies and boots!


    If you can tell me what Somalians do here that is positive, let me know.
     
    Not sure, but some are encouraging them to come back now that things are stabilizing - good news - eh?
    "Thousands of Somalis have left comfortable, secure lives in the West to return to Somalia."
    http://www.trtworld.com/mea/going-back-somalias-diaspora-return-home-51506

    "Why I moved back to Somalia (and you should, too)."
    http://www.seattleglobalist.com/2016/02/02/why-i-moved-back-to-somalia-somali-diaspora-seattle/47097


    you must pray to and exalt liberal white people who are your real gods before all others
     
    No Mawlana Clyde, no! That is shirk, bro! That's OK - once you complete your course on Aqeedah Tahawiyyah of Aqeedah Nasafiyyah, you'll be cured of that affliction.

    Who in their right mind wants to live in a Muslim nation?
     
    Ask the thousands of Somalis moving back, maybe they'll know.

    Peace.

    I will be praying for you brother, that in the New Year of 2017 you will join the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community. I like the way they roll and they even have their own Mahdi. How cool is this!
    They even like the Zoroastrians! No wonder the Iranian ayatollahs hate their guts.
    ____

    Wikipedia:
    Thus, Ahmadi Muslims regard Mirza Ghulam Ahmad as that Mahdi and, by extension, the “Promised One” of all religions fulfilling eschatological prophecies found in the scriptures of the Abrahamic religions, as well as Zoroastrianism, the Indian religions, Native American traditions and others.[35] Ahmadi Muslims believe that Ahmad was divinely commissioned as a true reflection of Muhammad’s prophethood to establish the unity of God and to remind mankind of their duties towards God and His creation.[36][37]

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    Hey Clyde,

    I will be praying for you brother
     
    And I for you bro!

    Ahmadiyya Muslim
     
    Oxymoron.

    I like the way they roll
     
    Sure you do - they don't put up a fight if you want their resources. Cute, cuddly, pacifist Islam - British Raj loved those guys!

    they even have their own Mahdi
     
    Wrong one - stick around, the revolution may actually be televised.

    Peace.
  55. @biz
    Fake grievance excuse alert.

    The total death toll among Muslims due to US foreign policy in the 230 years since the founding of the US is probably less than the average yearly intra-Muslim death toll due to intersectarian and intertribal violence, government repression, underdevelopment, botched clitorectomies, etc...

    botched clitorectomies…..

    Especially the ones done with shards from a Heineken bottle.

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  56. @Talha
    Hey biz,

    Sorry for putting two and two together. Most people here get that 'invite the world' is connected to 'invade the world' - you have a different opinion.

    I have a brother I carpool with to Friday prayers. Wonderful guy, White convert - married a Somali. I mentioned to him the articles I found out about Somalis moving back and he said, yes, it was a big thing and many in the community are talking about it and organizing it in the Somali online chat rooms. He knows of families that have moved. Their main concern is the children; they aren't liking that their youth are becoming wayward and losing their religion and culture, also the kids are becoming spoiled materially (since they come from a place where people get by without much). And now that things are relatively stable, many are even pooling resources together to move back in whole groups. He said his own wife has hinted at it.

    So...lesson is, when people have a relatively stable society, they won't want to move here in large numbers. So let's not break up any more of those societies - makes sense?

    Speaking of fake excuse alerts...


    The total death toll among Muslims due to US foreign policy in the 230 years since the founding of the US is probably less than the average yearly intra-Muslim death
     
    You have made a claim; prove it. I'm not doing your homework for you nor do I accept your premise merely because you can type it out.

    Let me know when you have the stats, I'll be watching my inbox.

    Peace.

    Talha, I can’t speak for the ” average yearly” toll of intra-Muslim deaths, just off the top of my head, The Iran-Iraq war lost 1,000,000 Muslim lives, The Ottoman Empire’s Armenian Holocaust, took c.3 1/2M, I don’t think the Yanks are anywhere near that.
    You can add those killed in the various Muslim sectarian slaughters, the worst I know of being the Dungan revolt. An trustworthy and accurate account is impossible to get but the numbers claimed are mind-boggling.
    But forgive, me, I know that Islam is The Religion of Peace. I suppose the Koranically sanctioned rape and slavery is very peaceful rape and slavery.

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    {The Ottoman Empire’s Armenian Holocaust, took c.3 1/2M,}

    The commonly accepted number for the Armenian Genocide between 1915 and 1923 is circa 1.5 million.
    Before 1915, there was the Hamidian Massacre of about 300K Armenians in 1895 by Muslim Turks.
    In 1909, there was the Adana Massacre of 30K Christian Armenians by Muslim Turks.
    Several other smaller massacres took place.
    Total between those years is about 2 million Christian Armenians murdered by Turks and their Kurd collaborators.

    Overall, about 4 million or so indigenous Christians of Asia Minor were subjected to Genocide by invadonomad Uyguroğlar Turk invaders between 1915 and 1923: Christian Armenians, Christian Assyrians (Syriacs) and Christian Greeks.

    Aside from outright massacres, several hundred thousand Christian children were abducted - after their parents were murdered - by Turks and Kurds and forcibly Islamized.

    No record of the numbers of Christians massacred, forcibly Islamized, children abducted, etc prior to 1850s. Invading nomad Muslim Turks from East and Central Asia arrived at the outer edges of Asia Minor and Armenian Highlands around 1,000 A.D. Several hundred years of pillage, arson, theft, massacres, forced Islamization, destruction, mass rapes, abduction of children,....

    NOTE: after the AG, 10s of 1,000s of Armenian survivors found safety and shelter in (nominally) Muslim Arab countries, primarily Syria.
    Also in Lebanon (Christian&Muslim).

    Also, there was a massive effort by America to save Armenian orphans of AG (Near East Relief).

    We Armenians are eternally grateful to those peoples who saved our ancestor kin from certain death.

    , @Talha
    Hey Jay I,

    None of what you posted backs up the claim by 'biz'. Does it show that Muslims have historically committed violence against each other or others? Sure - is that a surprise to anyone? I mean, do a case study of Tamerlane (Muslim founder of the Timurid Dynasty), he makes the Ottomans look like schoolgirls.

    The 'Yanks' participated in everything from the two World Wars, their own Civil War, various wars to win the continent, the Philippines, Vietnam, etc. ...so I'm not sure.


    Dungan revolt...the numbers claimed are mind-boggling
     
    Indeed, apparently the famine caused by the war wreaked havoc on the population. I have found that the site Necrometrics, with amazing research by Mr. Matthew White, is a great place to go for citations for the various different estimates by different researchers (far better than Wikipedia). This particular revolt and its casualties are listed here:
    http://necrometrics.com/wars19c.htm#Hui

    The worst 20 sanguinary events are listed here:
    http://necrometrics.com/pre1700a.htm#20worst


    Islam is The Religion of Peace
     
    Bonus - free advertising!

    Qur'an sanctions slavery and sexual access to the slave as did all other cultures before slavery was eradicated (Mayans, Chinese, Vikings, Jews, Hindus, Christians, etc.). It also mentions sexual access to one's wife in the same verse that it mentions access to the slave. It never mentions rape. You are reading that into the text (like SJWs read rape into every sexual encounter that doesn't fit their parameters of ideal 'power dynamics in the relationship') - your problem, not ours.

    Peace.

  57. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    If you guys here are the faces of real Americans, then go and live with yourselves. Seriously, please vacate all your bases around the world and go back to the USA. Keep your war machines on your own soil, use them as you wish, build a wall, ban whoever you want from entering your country, and most importantly, do keep the likes of Derb. Just leave the rest of us alone. Who is stopping you?

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  58. @Jay Igaboo
    Talha, I can't speak for the " average yearly" toll of intra-Muslim deaths, just off the top of my head, The Iran-Iraq war lost 1,000,000 Muslim lives, The Ottoman Empire's Armenian Holocaust, took c.3 1/2M, I don't think the Yanks are anywhere near that.
    You can add those killed in the various Muslim sectarian slaughters, the worst I know of being the Dungan revolt. An trustworthy and accurate account is impossible to get but the numbers claimed are mind-boggling.
    But forgive, me, I know that Islam is The Religion of Peace. I suppose the Koranically sanctioned rape and slavery is very peaceful rape and slavery.

    {The Ottoman Empire’s Armenian Holocaust, took c.3 1/2M,}

    The commonly accepted number for the Armenian Genocide between 1915 and 1923 is circa 1.5 million.
    Before 1915, there was the Hamidian Massacre of about 300K Armenians in 1895 by Muslim Turks.
    In 1909, there was the Adana Massacre of 30K Christian Armenians by Muslim Turks.
    Several other smaller massacres took place.
    Total between those years is about 2 million Christian Armenians murdered by Turks and their Kurd collaborators.

    Overall, about 4 million or so indigenous Christians of Asia Minor were subjected to Genocide by invadonomad Uyguroğlar Turk invaders between 1915 and 1923: Christian Armenians, Christian Assyrians (Syriacs) and Christian Greeks.

    Aside from outright massacres, several hundred thousand Christian children were abducted – after their parents were murdered – by Turks and Kurds and forcibly Islamized.

    No record of the numbers of Christians massacred, forcibly Islamized, children abducted, etc prior to 1850s. Invading nomad Muslim Turks from East and Central Asia arrived at the outer edges of Asia Minor and Armenian Highlands around 1,000 A.D. Several hundred years of pillage, arson, theft, massacres, forced Islamization, destruction, mass rapes, abduction of children,….

    NOTE: after the AG, 10s of 1,000s of Armenian survivors found safety and shelter in (nominally) Muslim Arab countries, primarily Syria.
    Also in Lebanon (Christian&Muslim).

    Also, there was a massive effort by America to save Armenian orphans of AG (Near East Relief).

    We Armenians are eternally grateful to those peoples who saved our ancestor kin from certain death.

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    Thanks for this, but I was seeking to make a point to Talha about Muslim slaughtering Muslim, and I had thought that there was a significant amount of Muslims (especially forced conversions) among the victims.
    I perhaps should have been even stronger in my assertion that it was an impossible task to accurately tabulate the various claims made by all sides, as it's a given that the perpetrators will boast( then lie when the rest of the world condemns, and victims will also lie for their own propaganda. In addition, in chaos and slaughter, few accurate records are kept.

    Either way, the slaughter of a large number of Armenians was committed by Muslims, but as Armenians don't control Hollywood, and the MSM there is no industry uncritically reporting it, their is little knowledge of it in The West.
    You fairly make the point that many Armenians were given succour by some majority Muslim nations. I'm aware that majority Muslim nations can act decently, but it is, unfortunately, precarious and transient, due to the inherent volatility of the religion, the area, and, to be a PC heretic, most of the people.

    It's truly nice to know that some ethnic groups can feel gratitude to those who offered them or their forebears salvation,
    Unfortunately this is not universal. The (((refugees))) of The Frankfurt School who fled Nazi Germany thanked us for giving them succour by spreading the Cultural Marxism that is destroying us.
    Many of their descendants continue to do so.
    , @Talha
    Yo Avery,

    This is, unfortunately, a huge blight on Muslim history. The ultra-Turkish-nationalist Young Turks, particularly the CUP (and their 'Three Pashas') should never have been allowed anywhere near power:
    “The Young Turks were the perpetrators of the Armenian Genocide….. The most ideologically committed party in the entire movement, the CUP espoused a form of Turkish nationalism which was xenophobic and exclusionary in its thinking. Its policies threatened to undo the tattered fabric of a multi-ethnic and multi-religious society. Taking advantage of the political confusion reigning in the aftermath of the First Balkan War which the Ottoman Empire lost in 1912 to its former subject states, the CUP seized power in a coup d’etat in January 1913.”
    http://www.armenian-genocide.org/young_turks.html

    They will stand to be judged for their crimes on the Day of Judgement - you can only elude justice in this world.

    Peace.

  59. If a person arriving in the U.S. has no identification papers and refuses to identify their nation of origin, then he or she should be placed in a work camp for ten years. These camps should be located in the high desert where costs are low.

    During this time, the illegals must learn English to proficiency, learn American political science and learn and prove that they have a skill that is in demand.

    If they cannot pass these tests, then they can remain in the institution indefinitely. This reception would discourage the arrival of illegals.

    If people find this abhorrent, then some mechanism whereby American citizens who want refugees to come to the country should be established so that the citizens sponsor each refugee and sign over their property and take responsibility for the financial and criminal behavior of their invitees.

    Constitutional rights should be reserved for American citizens.

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  60. @yaqub the mad scientist
    There’s no way for European governments to know where an illegal has come from, nor anything else about him. Britain recently cut a deal to take in child refugees from the illegals camp in Calais, Northern France. When the kiddies arrived, they turned out to be muscular six-foot guys with three-day growths of chin stubble. [Fury at ‘soft checks’ on child migrants: Adults pretending to be children say aid workers, By Giles Sheldrick, Express [UK] October 19, 2016]

    To avoid the confusion, writers need to use the American media term for this vibrant demographic of man-children-angels: "youths".

    Can’t use “youths”. Frightens the horses, don’tcha know.
    Too redolent of the dreadlocks, chronic urban rioting, mugging gangs and Yardies d’antan.
    Pronounced “yutes” (like the barbarian tribe) or “alla dem yoot”. Used to be media code for “black thugs”.

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  61. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Send DimTim to be the rapefugees bashabashaboy rather than the vicar’s fave choirboy. STFU effete cucking idiot, future rag-bombs unwanted.

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  62. @Wally
    All this immigrant nonsense is sustained because of the false & impossible premise of '6M Jews, 5M others, and gas chambers'.

    Recall strict Israeli laws which ban all non-Jew immigration into "that shitty little country" while those same supremacist Jews then demand massive immigration into the US & Europe.

    Then look up the anti free speech Anti-Semitism Awareness Act .... scary stuff.

    Must reads:
    Holocaust Handbooks & Documentaries
    http://holocausthandbooks.com
    and:
    http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1

    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here:
    http://codoh.com
    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com

     

    Your source or examples please for “those same supremacist Jews [demanding] massive immigration into …. Europe”????

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    IsraAid helps rapeugees get to Europe:

    http://newobserveronline.com/israel-officially-aids-3rd-world-invasion/

    The Central Council of Jews in Germany urges Germany to take at least 500,000 migrants per year.

    The World Jewish Congress and Central Council of Jews in Germany issued a formal statement in Die Welt welcoming the "refugee" invasion and attacking any Germans who opposed it as "neo-Nazis."

    http://newobserveronline.com/jews-at-forefront-of-welcoming-invasion/

    Then, of course, there's the notorious Barbara Lerner Spectre explaining why Jews must "be a the center" of promoting the destruction of Europe:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ERmOpZrKtw

    Finally, let's examine the depth of Jewish hypocrisy and the "ethnocentrism for me, but not for thee" stance:

    ADL Myths and Facts about Immigration:

    http://www.adl.org/civil-rights/immigration/c/immigration-myths-and-facts.html

    Myth number nine, the ADL says, is that “We can stop undocumented immigrants coming to the US by building a wall along the border with Mexico.”
    The ADL claims that a “wall or a fence along the entire border with Mexico would be impractical and very likely ineffective,” and that “history shows us that people find ways to cross walls.”
    Finally, the ADL says, rather than building a fence with Mexico, the US should “create a process for addressing immigration that treats immigrants with dignity and respect instead of as criminals.”

    Compare to Netanyahu talking about Israel:
    www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.702318
    According to the Israeli newspaper, Haaretz, Netanyahu made these comments during a tour to the construction site of the fence on the border with Jordan.
    “At the end, in the State of Israel, as I see it, there will be a fence that spans it all [the country’s borders],” said Netanyahu.
    “I’ll be told, ‘this is what you want, to protect the villa?’ The answer is yes. Will we surround all of the State of Israel with fences and barriers? The answer is yes. In the area that we live in, we must defend ourselves against the wild beasts.”
    He added that the Israeli government is preparing a multi-year plan to surround all of Israel with fences, and close any last gaps in the huge concrete wall on Israel’s border with the West Bank—even though that wall has already de facto annexed large parts of Palestinian land.
    “This thing costs many billions, and we’re working on a multi-year plan of prioritization so it would be spread out over years in order to gradually build it, but to complete it to defend the State of Israel,” Netanyahu said.

    You're welcome.

    Now it's your turn. Provide a single-- just one-- example of a Jewish organization in the US or Europe (out of thousands) that backs a patriotic immigration policy for the host country. Good luck...
  63. @Avery
    {The Ottoman Empire’s Armenian Holocaust, took c.3 1/2M,}

    The commonly accepted number for the Armenian Genocide between 1915 and 1923 is circa 1.5 million.
    Before 1915, there was the Hamidian Massacre of about 300K Armenians in 1895 by Muslim Turks.
    In 1909, there was the Adana Massacre of 30K Christian Armenians by Muslim Turks.
    Several other smaller massacres took place.
    Total between those years is about 2 million Christian Armenians murdered by Turks and their Kurd collaborators.

    Overall, about 4 million or so indigenous Christians of Asia Minor were subjected to Genocide by invadonomad Uyguroğlar Turk invaders between 1915 and 1923: Christian Armenians, Christian Assyrians (Syriacs) and Christian Greeks.

    Aside from outright massacres, several hundred thousand Christian children were abducted - after their parents were murdered - by Turks and Kurds and forcibly Islamized.

    No record of the numbers of Christians massacred, forcibly Islamized, children abducted, etc prior to 1850s. Invading nomad Muslim Turks from East and Central Asia arrived at the outer edges of Asia Minor and Armenian Highlands around 1,000 A.D. Several hundred years of pillage, arson, theft, massacres, forced Islamization, destruction, mass rapes, abduction of children,....

    NOTE: after the AG, 10s of 1,000s of Armenian survivors found safety and shelter in (nominally) Muslim Arab countries, primarily Syria.
    Also in Lebanon (Christian&Muslim).

    Also, there was a massive effort by America to save Armenian orphans of AG (Near East Relief).

    We Armenians are eternally grateful to those peoples who saved our ancestor kin from certain death.

    Thanks for this, but I was seeking to make a point to Talha about Muslim slaughtering Muslim, and I had thought that there was a significant amount of Muslims (especially forced conversions) among the victims.
    I perhaps should have been even stronger in my assertion that it was an impossible task to accurately tabulate the various claims made by all sides, as it’s a given that the perpetrators will boast( then lie when the rest of the world condemns, and victims will also lie for their own propaganda. In addition, in chaos and slaughter, few accurate records are kept.

    Either way, the slaughter of a large number of Armenians was committed by Muslims, but as Armenians don’t control Hollywood, and the MSM there is no industry uncritically reporting it, their is little knowledge of it in The West.
    You fairly make the point that many Armenians were given succour by some majority Muslim nations. I’m aware that majority Muslim nations can act decently, but it is, unfortunately, precarious and transient, due to the inherent volatility of the religion, the area, and, to be a PC heretic, most of the people.

    It’s truly nice to know that some ethnic groups can feel gratitude to those who offered them or their forebears salvation,
    Unfortunately this is not universal. The (((refugees))) of The Frankfurt School who fled Nazi Germany thanked us for giving them succour by spreading the Cultural Marxism that is destroying us.
    Many of their descendants continue to do so.

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    Allow me to add to your PC heresy about the nature of the people. A proper measured conclusion about the sources of cruel barbarous behaviour would cettainly factor in class, religion and historical resentments as well, just off thevtop of my head. The behaviour of white trash lynch mobs in the South for 100 yeats os a reminder of that.
  64. @Clyde
    I will be praying for you brother, that in the New Year of 2017 you will join the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community. I like the way they roll and they even have their own Mahdi. How cool is this!
    They even like the Zoroastrians! No wonder the Iranian ayatollahs hate their guts.
    ____

    Wikipedia:
    Thus, Ahmadi Muslims regard Mirza Ghulam Ahmad as that Mahdi and, by extension, the "Promised One" of all religions fulfilling eschatological prophecies found in the scriptures of the Abrahamic religions, as well as Zoroastrianism, the Indian religions, Native American traditions and others.[35] Ahmadi Muslims believe that Ahmad was divinely commissioned as a true reflection of Muhammad's prophethood to establish the unity of God and to remind mankind of their duties towards God and His creation.[36][37]

    Hey Clyde,

    I will be praying for you brother

    And I for you bro!

    Ahmadiyya Muslim

    Oxymoron.

    I like the way they roll

    Sure you do – they don’t put up a fight if you want their resources. Cute, cuddly, pacifist Islam – British Raj loved those guys!

    they even have their own Mahdi

    Wrong one – stick around, the revolution may actually be televised.

    Peace.

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    • Replies: @Clyde
    Ahmadiyya Muslims are extremely peace loving, the way the non-prophet was. They are not head choppers. They know you are the fake Muslim so join them. Ahmadiyya Muslims do not learn their Islam in prison the way most US born Muslims do. No my brother, Ahmadiyya Islam is not prison Islam or Bin Laden Islam.
    This is how I know they are the good guys and are the real deal. They make good astronauts but Pakistan refuses to launch them into space. Same for Vladimir RasPutin.
    , @Clyde
    The fake Muslims like you...
    Their real beef with the Ahmadiyya Muslims is they rank Mirza Ghulam Ahmad ahead of Muhammad. That he is the real final prophet. Of course this are not the real actual beliefs of the Ahmadiyya Muslims, but the Muslims fakers Sunni and Shiite think it is so. So of course they oppress and want to kill all the Ahmadiyya Muslims.
  65. @Avery
    {The Ottoman Empire’s Armenian Holocaust, took c.3 1/2M,}

    The commonly accepted number for the Armenian Genocide between 1915 and 1923 is circa 1.5 million.
    Before 1915, there was the Hamidian Massacre of about 300K Armenians in 1895 by Muslim Turks.
    In 1909, there was the Adana Massacre of 30K Christian Armenians by Muslim Turks.
    Several other smaller massacres took place.
    Total between those years is about 2 million Christian Armenians murdered by Turks and their Kurd collaborators.

    Overall, about 4 million or so indigenous Christians of Asia Minor were subjected to Genocide by invadonomad Uyguroğlar Turk invaders between 1915 and 1923: Christian Armenians, Christian Assyrians (Syriacs) and Christian Greeks.

    Aside from outright massacres, several hundred thousand Christian children were abducted - after their parents were murdered - by Turks and Kurds and forcibly Islamized.

    No record of the numbers of Christians massacred, forcibly Islamized, children abducted, etc prior to 1850s. Invading nomad Muslim Turks from East and Central Asia arrived at the outer edges of Asia Minor and Armenian Highlands around 1,000 A.D. Several hundred years of pillage, arson, theft, massacres, forced Islamization, destruction, mass rapes, abduction of children,....

    NOTE: after the AG, 10s of 1,000s of Armenian survivors found safety and shelter in (nominally) Muslim Arab countries, primarily Syria.
    Also in Lebanon (Christian&Muslim).

    Also, there was a massive effort by America to save Armenian orphans of AG (Near East Relief).

    We Armenians are eternally grateful to those peoples who saved our ancestor kin from certain death.

    Yo Avery,

    This is, unfortunately, a huge blight on Muslim history. The ultra-Turkish-nationalist Young Turks, particularly the CUP (and their ‘Three Pashas’) should never have been allowed anywhere near power:
    “The Young Turks were the perpetrators of the Armenian Genocide….. The most ideologically committed party in the entire movement, the CUP espoused a form of Turkish nationalism which was xenophobic and exclusionary in its thinking. Its policies threatened to undo the tattered fabric of a multi-ethnic and multi-religious society. Taking advantage of the political confusion reigning in the aftermath of the First Balkan War which the Ottoman Empire lost in 1912 to its former subject states, the CUP seized power in a coup d’etat in January 1913.”

    http://www.armenian-genocide.org/young_turks.html

    They will stand to be judged for their crimes on the Day of Judgement – you can only elude justice in this world.

    Peace.

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    {This is, unfortunately, a huge blight on Muslim history. }

    Yo, Talha:

    Armenians at large do not blame Islam at large for the AG.
    We know there are Muslims and there are Muslims.

    The main driver of the AG was Turk nationalism and their goal of eliminating indigenous Armenians and other indigenous peoples of Asia Minor, so that Turks could take their lands and everything else: the effort largely succeeded.

    However, Islam did play a role: ordinary Muslim people - Turks and Kurds - enthusiastically participated in the slaughter, the looting, child-abduction, etc. And not just a minority: super majorities.
    Turks and Kurds who helped and saved _some_ Armenians were a tiny, tiny minority.

    AG was a result of a virulent combination of Turk+Islam.

    Nevertheless, our main beef is with Turk nationalism, its foundational anti-Armenian virulent hatred, and its eternal goal of wiping out the remaining Armenians in what remains of their ancestral homeland (about 10% today).
    Even today little Armenia is in constant danger from Turks: Caspian Turks from the East (Azerbaijan) and Osmanli Turks from West (Turkey).

    Interestingly, Kurds who helped Turks before and during AG, are now on the receiving end of the virulent Turk nationalism*.
    But Kurds are too numerous now to be subjected to wholesale genocide by Turks, so they are safe from extermination.

    (Christian) Republic of Armenia and Islamic Republic of Iran have very cordial relations. Armenians and Iranians/Persians are genetic cousins.
    We have been neighbors for 1,000s of years.
    We have had some squabbles from time to time, as most neighbors do.
    But nothing permanent.

    Both our peoples are indigenous, sedentary, creative civilizations of 1,000s of years: unlike nomad Turk tribes which invaded our region from afar.
    Both RoA and IRI respect each others’ religion, keep it separate, and concentrate on mutually beneficial secular developments.

    Every Novruz 10s of 1,000s of Iranians visit Armenia to let loose and celebrate (...safely away from the gaze of religious police in Iran).
    Armenia’s guests have a good time, RoA gets Iranian tourism income, and at the end of the day guests go back home: everybody happy.


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    * [‘Burned to death, beheaded’: Cizre Kurds accuse Erdogan’s forces of civilian massacre]
    https://www.rt.com/news/335200-cizre-burned-beheaded-kurds-erdogan/

  66. @Jay Igaboo
    Talha, I can't speak for the " average yearly" toll of intra-Muslim deaths, just off the top of my head, The Iran-Iraq war lost 1,000,000 Muslim lives, The Ottoman Empire's Armenian Holocaust, took c.3 1/2M, I don't think the Yanks are anywhere near that.
    You can add those killed in the various Muslim sectarian slaughters, the worst I know of being the Dungan revolt. An trustworthy and accurate account is impossible to get but the numbers claimed are mind-boggling.
    But forgive, me, I know that Islam is The Religion of Peace. I suppose the Koranically sanctioned rape and slavery is very peaceful rape and slavery.

    Hey Jay I,

    None of what you posted backs up the claim by ‘biz’. Does it show that Muslims have historically committed violence against each other or others? Sure – is that a surprise to anyone? I mean, do a case study of Tamerlane (Muslim founder of the Timurid Dynasty), he makes the Ottomans look like schoolgirls.

    The ‘Yanks’ participated in everything from the two World Wars, their own Civil War, various wars to win the continent, the Philippines, Vietnam, etc. …so I’m not sure.

    Dungan revolt…the numbers claimed are mind-boggling

    Indeed, apparently the famine caused by the war wreaked havoc on the population. I have found that the site Necrometrics, with amazing research by Mr. Matthew White, is a great place to go for citations for the various different estimates by different researchers (far better than Wikipedia). This particular revolt and its casualties are listed here:

    http://necrometrics.com/wars19c.htm#Hui

    The worst 20 sanguinary events are listed here:

    http://necrometrics.com/pre1700a.htm#20worst

    Islam is The Religion of Peace

    Bonus – free advertising!

    Qur’an sanctions slavery and sexual access to the slave as did all other cultures before slavery was eradicated (Mayans, Chinese, Vikings, Jews, Hindus, Christians, etc.). It also mentions sexual access to one’s wife in the same verse that it mentions access to the slave. It never mentions rape. You are reading that into the text (like SJWs read rape into every sexual encounter that doesn’t fit their parameters of ideal ‘power dynamics in the relationship’) – your problem, not ours.

    Peace.

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    sanctions ... sexual access to the slave
     
    Christianity most emphatically does not do this.

    Though of course it happened in Christian slave-owning cultures as well as in all other slave-owning cultures.

    , @Jay Igaboo
    I could contest and I could also concede some points in your post, but not tonight,as one, I hate sitting at a keyboard and I only came here to acknowledge you're civil reply, and two, as a Scot, it would be contrary to the spirit of Hogmany to .


    Ever since our pagan days, Scots ( and many others, I'm sure ) tried to be gracious and generous in spirit on Hogmany in the hope of being a better person, and thus make for a better world.
    As you seem to be, despite our considerable differences a civil and decent sort o' laddie, ye'll ken fine weel that the most important "jihad" is the one eash and each and every one of us must fight within ourselves against the lesser parts of ourselves.
    If I swing by here again, I'll maybe reply more fully on that which I contest, but for the noo, a Guid New Year tae and and a': and with a heartfelt wish for this sorry world, I'll borrow your usual sign-off.
    Peace.
  67. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Talha
    Hey Jay I,

    None of what you posted backs up the claim by 'biz'. Does it show that Muslims have historically committed violence against each other or others? Sure - is that a surprise to anyone? I mean, do a case study of Tamerlane (Muslim founder of the Timurid Dynasty), he makes the Ottomans look like schoolgirls.

    The 'Yanks' participated in everything from the two World Wars, their own Civil War, various wars to win the continent, the Philippines, Vietnam, etc. ...so I'm not sure.


    Dungan revolt...the numbers claimed are mind-boggling
     
    Indeed, apparently the famine caused by the war wreaked havoc on the population. I have found that the site Necrometrics, with amazing research by Mr. Matthew White, is a great place to go for citations for the various different estimates by different researchers (far better than Wikipedia). This particular revolt and its casualties are listed here:
    http://necrometrics.com/wars19c.htm#Hui

    The worst 20 sanguinary events are listed here:
    http://necrometrics.com/pre1700a.htm#20worst


    Islam is The Religion of Peace
     
    Bonus - free advertising!

    Qur'an sanctions slavery and sexual access to the slave as did all other cultures before slavery was eradicated (Mayans, Chinese, Vikings, Jews, Hindus, Christians, etc.). It also mentions sexual access to one's wife in the same verse that it mentions access to the slave. It never mentions rape. You are reading that into the text (like SJWs read rape into every sexual encounter that doesn't fit their parameters of ideal 'power dynamics in the relationship') - your problem, not ours.

    Peace.

    sanctions … sexual access to the slave

    Christianity most emphatically does not do this.

    Though of course it happened in Christian slave-owning cultures as well as in all other slave-owning cultures.

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    "Christianity most emphatically does not do this."

    The better question is, does it emphatically prohibit it - given that it was a part of life:
    "Taking into consideration that slavery was an established fact of life, Glancy investigates the early Christian texts to analyze their impact on the early church. What emerges is an understanding of the subject which is at the same time illuminating, and to our modern (Christian) sensibilities, quite alarming."
    "Firstly, 1 Thessalonians 4:3-8 instructs (male) Christians to abstain from porneia and for each one to "obtain his own vessel". Most interpretations regard "vessel" as a euphemism for wife and so sexual activity is seen as restricted to marriage. But according to Glancy, this is not what Paul is saying. Since domestic slaves were considered as "morally neutral" outlets for sexual urges in the first century, those who heard Paul's counsel "would understand it as consistent with reliance on slaves as morally neutral sexual outlets" (p 63). Thus, it cannot be assumed that later Christian rejection of the sexual use of slaves is already implicit in Paul's letters. Nowhere does Paul issue explicit prohibitions on slaveholders' sexual use of slaves."
    http://www.scielo.org.za/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S0259-94222008000300025

    "Surely, we may think, if Christianity had any impact on the behavior of slaveholders, and thus the lives of slaves, it must have involved the sexual use of slaves. Is this the case? Sources from the first few centuries of Christianity are virtually silent on the topic...As we have seen at some length, ancient Christians generally considered it morally unproblematic - and in some cases morally obligatory - for a slaveholder to beat a slave. Strange as it may seem, many Christians may have been equally accepting of a male slaveholder's right to use his slaves sexually. It is often noted that the first Christians absorbed the sexual norms from the Jewish practice. In that context it's important to remember that Judaism accepted a male slaveholder's sexual rights to his female slaves as a matter of course...Whether pagan or Jewish, Christian converts had grown up with these cultural norms. In the absence of evidence to the contrary, it is reasonable to think that many of them would have continued to abide my these norms."
    Slavery as Moral Problem: In the Early Church and Today

    Sex with slaves was a part of life in first century Judea - without explicit evidence to the prohibition, people are reading today's modern norms (of a world in which very few people have even seen a slave) into a completely different context (where slavery was ubiquitous). Prohibitions from certain Christian scholars come in later writings, for sure - and Glancy covers those also. I'm not trying to single out Christians here as if they are uniquely bad nor do I contend that they raped their slaves - that is just stupid posturing and has no factual basis. Everyone was simply having sex with their slaves (definitely Muslims) - Christians just don't have a 'Get out of Jail Free' card simply because they interpret their texts now in a post-Abolition context.

    "As in all slaveholding societies, male slaveholders had sexual access to their slaves, and often purchased women alone for that purpose."
    http://historyonline.chadwyck.co.uk/getImage?productsuffix=_studyunits&action=printview&in=gif&out=pdf&src=/pci/a263-1990-062-02-000001/conv/a263-1990-062-02-000001.pdf&IE=.pdf

    Peace.

  68. Solution and way to get European leaders doing the right thing. Victims and their families of Muslim crime must sue the government. Hit them hard in the money belt. Example, those who were injured and murdered in Florida USA should have sued Obama personally and the US government. The US government was neglectful in harboring the killer.

    If we make the governments responsible for the people they let into our country they will be a lot more responsible for whom they open the border for

    If I get injured or sustain loss from an illegal, I will sue the US government and President for every nickle dime and penny I can get. A good class action suit by victims of San Bernadino would have taught the government a lesson.

    Hope the victims of these criminal illegals start suing big time.

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  69. @bigbadwolf
    Derb, there's reason to believe that connivance of state intelligence and police agencies is involved in many of these attacks. In other words, these attacks are not coming with the authorities having their thumbs up their backsides. Might be an idea to mention this.

    What reason? Apart from some rare instance that is truly an putlier event?

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  70. @Jay Igaboo
    Thanks for this, but I was seeking to make a point to Talha about Muslim slaughtering Muslim, and I had thought that there was a significant amount of Muslims (especially forced conversions) among the victims.
    I perhaps should have been even stronger in my assertion that it was an impossible task to accurately tabulate the various claims made by all sides, as it's a given that the perpetrators will boast( then lie when the rest of the world condemns, and victims will also lie for their own propaganda. In addition, in chaos and slaughter, few accurate records are kept.

    Either way, the slaughter of a large number of Armenians was committed by Muslims, but as Armenians don't control Hollywood, and the MSM there is no industry uncritically reporting it, their is little knowledge of it in The West.
    You fairly make the point that many Armenians were given succour by some majority Muslim nations. I'm aware that majority Muslim nations can act decently, but it is, unfortunately, precarious and transient, due to the inherent volatility of the religion, the area, and, to be a PC heretic, most of the people.

    It's truly nice to know that some ethnic groups can feel gratitude to those who offered them or their forebears salvation,
    Unfortunately this is not universal. The (((refugees))) of The Frankfurt School who fled Nazi Germany thanked us for giving them succour by spreading the Cultural Marxism that is destroying us.
    Many of their descendants continue to do so.

    Allow me to add to your PC heresy about the nature of the people. A proper measured conclusion about the sources of cruel barbarous behaviour would cettainly factor in class, religion and historical resentments as well, just off thevtop of my head. The behaviour of white trash lynch mobs in the South for 100 yeats os a reminder of that.

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    Judge Lynch didn't always get it wrong. About a quarter of lynching "victims" were white to begin with. Elaborate criminal justice procedures are possible only in very low crime environments. The increasing inability of the criminal justice system to maintain order in inner city Negro communities ("Ferguson effect") is an indication that feral Negroes must be policed by more summary measures.
  71. @anon

    sanctions ... sexual access to the slave
     
    Christianity most emphatically does not do this.

    Though of course it happened in Christian slave-owning cultures as well as in all other slave-owning cultures.

    “Christianity most emphatically does not do this.”

    The better question is, does it emphatically prohibit it – given that it was a part of life:
    “Taking into consideration that slavery was an established fact of life, Glancy investigates the early Christian texts to analyze their impact on the early church. What emerges is an understanding of the subject which is at the same time illuminating, and to our modern (Christian) sensibilities, quite alarming.”
    “Firstly, 1 Thessalonians 4:3-8 instructs (male) Christians to abstain from porneia and for each one to “obtain his own vessel”. Most interpretations regard “vessel” as a euphemism for wife and so sexual activity is seen as restricted to marriage. But according to Glancy, this is not what Paul is saying. Since domestic slaves were considered as “morally neutral” outlets for sexual urges in the first century, those who heard Paul’s counsel “would understand it as consistent with reliance on slaves as morally neutral sexual outlets” (p 63). Thus, it cannot be assumed that later Christian rejection of the sexual use of slaves is already implicit in Paul’s letters. Nowhere does Paul issue explicit prohibitions on slaveholders’ sexual use of slaves.”

    http://www.scielo.org.za/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S0259-94222008000300025

    “Surely, we may think, if Christianity had any impact on the behavior of slaveholders, and thus the lives of slaves, it must have involved the sexual use of slaves. Is this the case? Sources from the first few centuries of Christianity are virtually silent on the topic…As we have seen at some length, ancient Christians generally considered it morally unproblematic – and in some cases morally obligatory – for a slaveholder to beat a slave. Strange as it may seem, many Christians may have been equally accepting of a male slaveholder’s right to use his slaves sexually. It is often noted that the first Christians absorbed the sexual norms from the Jewish practice. In that context it’s important to remember that Judaism accepted a male slaveholder’s sexual rights to his female slaves as a matter of course…Whether pagan or Jewish, Christian converts had grown up with these cultural norms. In the absence of evidence to the contrary, it is reasonable to think that many of them would have continued to abide my these norms.”
    Slavery as Moral Problem: In the Early Church and Today

    Sex with slaves was a part of life in first century Judea – without explicit evidence to the prohibition, people are reading today’s modern norms (of a world in which very few people have even seen a slave) into a completely different context (where slavery was ubiquitous). Prohibitions from certain Christian scholars come in later writings, for sure – and Glancy covers those also. I’m not trying to single out Christians here as if they are uniquely bad nor do I contend that they raped their slaves – that is just stupid posturing and has no factual basis. Everyone was simply having sex with their slaves (definitely Muslims) – Christians just don’t have a ‘Get out of Jail Free’ card simply because they interpret their texts now in a post-Abolition context.

    “As in all slaveholding societies, male slaveholders had sexual access to their slaves, and often purchased women alone for that purpose.”

    http://historyonline.chadwyck.co.uk/getImage?productsuffix=_studyunits&action=printview&in=gif&out=pdf&src=/pci/a263-1990-062-02-000001/conv/a263-1990-062-02-000001.pdf&IE=.pdf

    Peace.

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    It is often noted that the first Christians absorbed the sexual norms from the Jewish practice
     
    By whom?

    You will forgive me if I take Ms. Glancy's interpretations of Christianity about as seriously as you take the interpretations of Islam given by "sarz" here: http://www.unz.com/pgottfried/real-islam-and-democracy/#comment-1711615 .

    What is a post-Abolition context? The Middle Ages?

    From I Corinthians 7, referred to by Ms. Glancy:

    As for the questions raised in your letter; a man does well to abstain from all commerce with women. But, to avoid the danger of fornication, let every man keep his own wife, and every woman her own husband.
     
    And from the Catholic Encyclopedia:

    The Apostolic Constitutions impose upon the master the duty of making his slave contract "a legitimate marriage" (III, iv; VIII, xxxii). St. John Chrysostom declares that slaves have the marital power over their wives and the paternal over their children ("In Ep. ad Ephes.", Hom. xxii, 2). He says that "he who has immoral relations with the wife of a slave is as culpable as he who has the like relations with the wife of the prince: both are adulterers, for it is not the condition of the parties that makes the crime" ("In I Thess.", Hom. v, 2; "In II Thess.", Hom. iii, 2).
     
    Peace with you as well.
  72. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Talha
    "Christianity most emphatically does not do this."

    The better question is, does it emphatically prohibit it - given that it was a part of life:
    "Taking into consideration that slavery was an established fact of life, Glancy investigates the early Christian texts to analyze their impact on the early church. What emerges is an understanding of the subject which is at the same time illuminating, and to our modern (Christian) sensibilities, quite alarming."
    "Firstly, 1 Thessalonians 4:3-8 instructs (male) Christians to abstain from porneia and for each one to "obtain his own vessel". Most interpretations regard "vessel" as a euphemism for wife and so sexual activity is seen as restricted to marriage. But according to Glancy, this is not what Paul is saying. Since domestic slaves were considered as "morally neutral" outlets for sexual urges in the first century, those who heard Paul's counsel "would understand it as consistent with reliance on slaves as morally neutral sexual outlets" (p 63). Thus, it cannot be assumed that later Christian rejection of the sexual use of slaves is already implicit in Paul's letters. Nowhere does Paul issue explicit prohibitions on slaveholders' sexual use of slaves."
    http://www.scielo.org.za/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S0259-94222008000300025

    "Surely, we may think, if Christianity had any impact on the behavior of slaveholders, and thus the lives of slaves, it must have involved the sexual use of slaves. Is this the case? Sources from the first few centuries of Christianity are virtually silent on the topic...As we have seen at some length, ancient Christians generally considered it morally unproblematic - and in some cases morally obligatory - for a slaveholder to beat a slave. Strange as it may seem, many Christians may have been equally accepting of a male slaveholder's right to use his slaves sexually. It is often noted that the first Christians absorbed the sexual norms from the Jewish practice. In that context it's important to remember that Judaism accepted a male slaveholder's sexual rights to his female slaves as a matter of course...Whether pagan or Jewish, Christian converts had grown up with these cultural norms. In the absence of evidence to the contrary, it is reasonable to think that many of them would have continued to abide my these norms."
    Slavery as Moral Problem: In the Early Church and Today

    Sex with slaves was a part of life in first century Judea - without explicit evidence to the prohibition, people are reading today's modern norms (of a world in which very few people have even seen a slave) into a completely different context (where slavery was ubiquitous). Prohibitions from certain Christian scholars come in later writings, for sure - and Glancy covers those also. I'm not trying to single out Christians here as if they are uniquely bad nor do I contend that they raped their slaves - that is just stupid posturing and has no factual basis. Everyone was simply having sex with their slaves (definitely Muslims) - Christians just don't have a 'Get out of Jail Free' card simply because they interpret their texts now in a post-Abolition context.

    "As in all slaveholding societies, male slaveholders had sexual access to their slaves, and often purchased women alone for that purpose."
    http://historyonline.chadwyck.co.uk/getImage?productsuffix=_studyunits&action=printview&in=gif&out=pdf&src=/pci/a263-1990-062-02-000001/conv/a263-1990-062-02-000001.pdf&IE=.pdf

    Peace.

    It is often noted that the first Christians absorbed the sexual norms from the Jewish practice

    By whom?

    You will forgive me if I take Ms. Glancy’s interpretations of Christianity about as seriously as you take the interpretations of Islam given by “sarz” here: http://www.unz.com/pgottfried/real-islam-and-democracy/#comment-1711615 .

    What is a post-Abolition context? The Middle Ages?

    From I Corinthians 7, referred to by Ms. Glancy:

    As for the questions raised in your letter; a man does well to abstain from all commerce with women. But, to avoid the danger of fornication, let every man keep his own wife, and every woman her own husband.

    And from the Catholic Encyclopedia:

    The Apostolic Constitutions impose upon the master the duty of making his slave contract “a legitimate marriage” (III, iv; VIII, xxxii). St. John Chrysostom declares that slaves have the marital power over their wives and the paternal over their children (“In Ep. ad Ephes.”, Hom. xxii, 2). He says that “he who has immoral relations with the wife of a slave is as culpable as he who has the like relations with the wife of the prince: both are adulterers, for it is not the condition of the parties that makes the crime” (“In I Thess.”, Hom. v, 2; “In II Thess.”, Hom. iii, 2).

    Peace with you as well.

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    PS.

    In referring to the reference given by "sarz", I had mostly in mind this absurd article: http://www.newageislam.com/islam-and-human-rights/abolition-of-slavery,-including-sex-slavery-in-islam-(the-qur%E2%80%99an)/d/35148 .
    , @Talha
    First of - thank you for discussing with such courtesy.

    By whom?
     
    By recorded history of the first Christian generations. You have to keep in mind, observance or rejection of Mosaic Law goes all the way back to debates between Paul and James the Just. To this day certain Christian Churches - some of the earliest ones - still practice things based off Mosaic Law, couple of examples are Psalms-based evidence for the 7-times daily prayers of the Syriac Church and observation of kosher-like rules for the Ethiopian Orthodox.

    Ms. Glancy is both a Christian and a historian. She is not a theologian, but a religion must form a coherent narrative based on theological grounds as well as factual historical evidence - Islam needs do the same. Otherwise you flirt with things like 'Young Earth' doctrine.

    As far as Corinthians, you are correct, Paul is saying avoid immorality by getting a wife. Qur'an also says that, however, as Ms. Glancy is making it clear, that sex with a slave was not considered improper in that era, thus asking someone to get married, does not preclude also procuring a slave. There simply is no explicit prohibition for an act that was common. To make an example; the Arabs would eat camel meat and drink alcohol before the advent of Islam - this was their common culture. When Islam came, it specifically prohibited alcohol, but said nothing about camel meat - thus, unless there was a specific prohibition, the assumption is, the prevailing custom in in play. If anything, Paul was specifically the one throwing off the shackles of Mosaic prohibitions, not enjoining new ones. And of course, the Son of Mary (pbuh) is silent about the matter.

    Furthermore, she explores this idea if you read further in the link by citing the writings of Jerome (the hermit theologian) as well as Ambrose of Milan and people like John Chrysostom about their exhortations for men to avoid sex with slaves, mostly due to the marriage problems that would arise. This is further explored here:
    "The slaveholding men in Ambrose's churches were still conditioned by ancient Roman habitus to assume as a matter of course that they had the legal, cultural and moral right to use their slaves sexually...If Abraham could carry on with a female slave, a Christian man might ask, why can't I?...He knew that, regardless of his exhortations, many Christian men would continue to have sex with their slaves. He therefore wrote that Christian men who regrettably pursued sexual relations with their slaves should insist that those slaves subordinate themselves to their mistresses."
    Beyond Slavery: Overcoming Its Religious and Sexual Legacies

    Here is a good read on John Chrysostom's views on trying to interdict the practice:
    Preaching Bondage: John Chrysostom and the Discourse of Slavery in Early Christianity

    The problem here is that these specific writings arise in the 4th/5th centuries and this discourse of either discouraging or outright prohibiting sex with slaves comes a few hundred centuries after the religion got off the ground.

    Again, not trying to denigrate Christianity here. I am simply forwarding the idea that Christianity definitely outlaws sex with slaves and slavery as a whole now - but one has a difficult time proving that this was the absolute case since inception especially given the realities of the society at the time.

    As far as your citation from the Catholic Encyclopedia, that is actually very similar to the rules Islam has. Masters are exhorted to let their slaves marry as the explanation on the verse (24:32) by the late Grand Mufti of Pakistan, Mufti Shafi Usmani (ra) in his "Ma'arif ul Qur'an" (nice to dust it off my shelf once in a while):
    “So it is incumbent upon the masters of the slaves and the slave girls that those among them who have the ability to get married, their marriage should be arranged. It is purported to mean here that if they show their need and desire to get married, then according to some jurists it is binding on the owners to marry them off. But the majority of jurists have ruled that in such a situation it is incumbent upon the masters not to place any hindrance in their marriage and allow them to get married, because the marriage of slaves and slave girls cannot be performed without the permission of their owners."

    ...and once the slave is married, sexual access is cut off for the owner even though the person of the slave is still property. Sexual access to a slave (even unmarried) in which one has only partial ownership (a slave could be jointly owned by multiple people), is also prohibited.

    One thing for sure though - Christians get the lion's share of credit for getting rid of slavery across the world.

    Peace.

  73. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Anon

    It is often noted that the first Christians absorbed the sexual norms from the Jewish practice
     
    By whom?

    You will forgive me if I take Ms. Glancy's interpretations of Christianity about as seriously as you take the interpretations of Islam given by "sarz" here: http://www.unz.com/pgottfried/real-islam-and-democracy/#comment-1711615 .

    What is a post-Abolition context? The Middle Ages?

    From I Corinthians 7, referred to by Ms. Glancy:

    As for the questions raised in your letter; a man does well to abstain from all commerce with women. But, to avoid the danger of fornication, let every man keep his own wife, and every woman her own husband.
     
    And from the Catholic Encyclopedia:

    The Apostolic Constitutions impose upon the master the duty of making his slave contract "a legitimate marriage" (III, iv; VIII, xxxii). St. John Chrysostom declares that slaves have the marital power over their wives and the paternal over their children ("In Ep. ad Ephes.", Hom. xxii, 2). He says that "he who has immoral relations with the wife of a slave is as culpable as he who has the like relations with the wife of the prince: both are adulterers, for it is not the condition of the parties that makes the crime" ("In I Thess.", Hom. v, 2; "In II Thess.", Hom. iii, 2).
     
    Peace with you as well.

    PS.

    In referring to the reference given by “sarz”, I had mostly in mind this absurd article: http://www.newageislam.com/islam-and-human-rights/abolition-of-slavery,-including-sex-slavery-in-islam-(the-qur%E2%80%99an)/d/35148 .

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  74. @Wizard of Oz
    Allow me to add to your PC heresy about the nature of the people. A proper measured conclusion about the sources of cruel barbarous behaviour would cettainly factor in class, religion and historical resentments as well, just off thevtop of my head. The behaviour of white trash lynch mobs in the South for 100 yeats os a reminder of that.

    Judge Lynch didn’t always get it wrong. About a quarter of lynching “victims” were white to begin with. Elaborate criminal justice procedures are possible only in very low crime environments. The increasing inability of the criminal justice system to maintain order in inner city Negro communities (“Ferguson effect”) is an indication that feral Negroes must be policed by more summary measures.

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    You perhaps enlarge my point by reference to White trash on both ends of lynchings. I may have more to add, and with greater nuance, when I have read Nancy Isenberg's "White Trash - The 400 Year Old Untold History of Class in America" which I was given for Christmas.
  75. @Talha
    Yo Avery,

    This is, unfortunately, a huge blight on Muslim history. The ultra-Turkish-nationalist Young Turks, particularly the CUP (and their 'Three Pashas') should never have been allowed anywhere near power:
    “The Young Turks were the perpetrators of the Armenian Genocide….. The most ideologically committed party in the entire movement, the CUP espoused a form of Turkish nationalism which was xenophobic and exclusionary in its thinking. Its policies threatened to undo the tattered fabric of a multi-ethnic and multi-religious society. Taking advantage of the political confusion reigning in the aftermath of the First Balkan War which the Ottoman Empire lost in 1912 to its former subject states, the CUP seized power in a coup d’etat in January 1913.”
    http://www.armenian-genocide.org/young_turks.html

    They will stand to be judged for their crimes on the Day of Judgement - you can only elude justice in this world.

    Peace.

    {This is, unfortunately, a huge blight on Muslim history. }

    Yo, Talha:

    Armenians at large do not blame Islam at large for the AG.
    We know there are Muslims and there are Muslims.

    The main driver of the AG was Turk nationalism and their goal of eliminating indigenous Armenians and other indigenous peoples of Asia Minor, so that Turks could take their lands and everything else: the effort largely succeeded.

    However, Islam did play a role: ordinary Muslim people – Turks and Kurds – enthusiastically participated in the slaughter, the looting, child-abduction, etc. And not just a minority: super majorities.
    Turks and Kurds who helped and saved _some_ Armenians were a tiny, tiny minority.

    AG was a result of a virulent combination of Turk+Islam.

    Nevertheless, our main beef is with Turk nationalism, its foundational anti-Armenian virulent hatred, and its eternal goal of wiping out the remaining Armenians in what remains of their ancestral homeland (about 10% today).
    Even today little Armenia is in constant danger from Turks: Caspian Turks from the East (Azerbaijan) and Osmanli Turks from West (Turkey).

    Interestingly, Kurds who helped Turks before and during AG, are now on the receiving end of the virulent Turk nationalism*.
    But Kurds are too numerous now to be subjected to wholesale genocide by Turks, so they are safe from extermination.

    (Christian) Republic of Armenia and Islamic Republic of Iran have very cordial relations. Armenians and Iranians/Persians are genetic cousins.
    We have been neighbors for 1,000s of years.
    We have had some squabbles from time to time, as most neighbors do.
    But nothing permanent.

    Both our peoples are indigenous, sedentary, creative civilizations of 1,000s of years: unlike nomad Turk tribes which invaded our region from afar.
    Both RoA and IRI respect each others’ religion, keep it separate, and concentrate on mutually beneficial secular developments.

    Every Novruz 10s of 1,000s of Iranians visit Armenia to let loose and celebrate (…safely away from the gaze of religious police in Iran).
    Armenia’s guests have a good time, RoA gets Iranian tourism income, and at the end of the day guests go back home: everybody happy.

    —–
    * [‘Burned to death, beheaded’: Cizre Kurds accuse Erdogan’s forces of civilian massacre]

    https://www.rt.com/news/335200-cizre-burned-beheaded-kurds-erdogan/

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    Yo Avery,

    I'm glad you can make these distinctions where others can't.

    The Ottomans actually had good relations with the Kurds until they became bitten with this Turkey-only-for-Turks business:
    "Confronted with the choice of being annexed at some point by Persia or formally accepting the supremacy of the Ottoman sultan in exchange for a very wide autonomy, the Kurdish leaders opted for this second solution and thus Kurdistan, or more exactly its countless fiefs and principalities entered the Ottoman bosom by the path of diplomacy...This particular status was to assure Kurdistan about three centuries of peace. The Ottomans controlled some strategic garrisons on the Kurdish territory, but the rest of the country was governed by the Kurdish lords and princes. As well as a string of modest hereditary seigniories, Kurdistan totalled 17 principalities of hukumets possessing a wide autonomy. Some of them for example those of. Ardalan, Hisn Kaif' Bohtan, and Rowanduz were endowed with attributes of independence. Despite interferences from time to time from the central power, this particular status, to the satisfaction of the Kurds and the Ottomans, functioned without any major hitch until the beginning of the XIXth century."
    http://www.institutkurde.org/en/institute/who_are_the_kurds.php

    It is still affects them quite a bit today and is shown in the way they try to deal with their 'Kurdish problem'. They have to get rid of the ghosts of the YT and CUP.

    I'm glad Iran and Armenia have good relations and I hope they continue that way.

    Peace.
  76. @Diversity Heretic
    Judge Lynch didn't always get it wrong. About a quarter of lynching "victims" were white to begin with. Elaborate criminal justice procedures are possible only in very low crime environments. The increasing inability of the criminal justice system to maintain order in inner city Negro communities ("Ferguson effect") is an indication that feral Negroes must be policed by more summary measures.

    You perhaps enlarge my point by reference to White trash on both ends of lynchings. I may have more to add, and with greater nuance, when I have read Nancy Isenberg’s “White Trash – The 400 Year Old Untold History of Class in America” which I was given for Christmas.

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    John Derbyshire, and others truly cursed like you (like mercer&reed here), I have asked this before and I ask again, if Muslims are stopped from coming to Europe, how will the human worshipping polytheist spiritual savages of Europe be given the truth of the One Infinite God.

    But hey, if you stubbornly wish to continue with your Christuism, no matter what the cursed Churchill said about the “-ism” from which Christianity was clearly derived from, by all means, knock yourselves out to hell.

    -

    When people (like Kerry did the other day) refer to Christuism as one of the world’s monotheist faiths…

    Ahahahahah!!!

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  78. @Talha
    Hey Jay I,

    None of what you posted backs up the claim by 'biz'. Does it show that Muslims have historically committed violence against each other or others? Sure - is that a surprise to anyone? I mean, do a case study of Tamerlane (Muslim founder of the Timurid Dynasty), he makes the Ottomans look like schoolgirls.

    The 'Yanks' participated in everything from the two World Wars, their own Civil War, various wars to win the continent, the Philippines, Vietnam, etc. ...so I'm not sure.


    Dungan revolt...the numbers claimed are mind-boggling
     
    Indeed, apparently the famine caused by the war wreaked havoc on the population. I have found that the site Necrometrics, with amazing research by Mr. Matthew White, is a great place to go for citations for the various different estimates by different researchers (far better than Wikipedia). This particular revolt and its casualties are listed here:
    http://necrometrics.com/wars19c.htm#Hui

    The worst 20 sanguinary events are listed here:
    http://necrometrics.com/pre1700a.htm#20worst


    Islam is The Religion of Peace
     
    Bonus - free advertising!

    Qur'an sanctions slavery and sexual access to the slave as did all other cultures before slavery was eradicated (Mayans, Chinese, Vikings, Jews, Hindus, Christians, etc.). It also mentions sexual access to one's wife in the same verse that it mentions access to the slave. It never mentions rape. You are reading that into the text (like SJWs read rape into every sexual encounter that doesn't fit their parameters of ideal 'power dynamics in the relationship') - your problem, not ours.

    Peace.

    I could contest and I could also concede some points in your post, but not tonight,as one, I hate sitting at a keyboard and I only came here to acknowledge you’re civil reply, and two, as a Scot, it would be contrary to the spirit of Hogmany to .

    Ever since our pagan days, Scots ( and many others, I’m sure ) tried to be gracious and generous in spirit on Hogmany in the hope of being a better person, and thus make for a better world.
    As you seem to be, despite our considerable differences a civil and decent sort o’ laddie, ye’ll ken fine weel that the most important “jihad” is the one eash and each and every one of us must fight within ourselves against the lesser parts of ourselves.
    If I swing by here again, I’ll maybe reply more fully on that which I contest, but for the noo, a Guid New Year tae and and a’: and with a heartfelt wish for this sorry world, I’ll borrow your usual sign-off.
    Peace.

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    Hey Jay I,

    Great Scot - a Scot!!! :)

    Tough, hardy, committed folk - without whom the British Empire could not have ruled even half of the territory that it did. I actually sincerely mean that as a compliment - hats off to you guys, you gave our folk a run for our money back in the days of the 'Gunpowder Empires'.

    I totally agree with you that the greatest jihad is that of the inner self; one can lose the war but win over one's own soul. This was such a man:
    http://www.abdelkaderproject.org/about-emir-abdelkader/

    And I thank you for your etiquette; I wish everyone would simply conduct themselves online as they would if they were sitting across them - that would, as you said, make for a better world.

    May God preserve you with honor this upcoming year and beyond.
  79. Dammit Derbyshire, why don’t you get around to transcribing your Radio Derb segments and post them here finally?

    I love your work but it’s better in writing.

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    Dammit Derbyshire, why don't you get around to transcribing your Radio Derb segments and post them here finally?

    I love your work but it's better in writing.
     

    All of Radio Derb's transcripts are available here: http://www.johnderbyshire.com/Opinions/RadioDerb/page.html
  80. @Wizard of Oz
    Your source or examples please for "those same supremacist Jews [demanding] massive immigration into .... Europe"????

    IsraAid helps rapeugees get to Europe:

    http://newobserveronline.com/israel-officially-aids-3rd-world-invasion/

    The Central Council of Jews in Germany urges Germany to take at least 500,000 migrants per year.

    The World Jewish Congress and Central Council of Jews in Germany issued a formal statement in Die Welt welcoming the “refugee” invasion and attacking any Germans who opposed it as “neo-Nazis.”

    http://newobserveronline.com/jews-at-forefront-of-welcoming-invasion/

    Then, of course, there’s the notorious Barbara Lerner Spectre explaining why Jews must “be a the center” of promoting the destruction of Europe:

    Finally, let’s examine the depth of Jewish hypocrisy and the “ethnocentrism for me, but not for thee” stance:

    ADL Myths and Facts about Immigration:

    http://www.adl.org/civil-rights/immigration/c/immigration-myths-and-facts.html

    Myth number nine, the ADL says, is that “We can stop undocumented immigrants coming to the US by building a wall along the border with Mexico.”
    The ADL claims that a “wall or a fence along the entire border with Mexico would be impractical and very likely ineffective,” and that “history shows us that people find ways to cross walls.”
    Finally, the ADL says, rather than building a fence with Mexico, the US should “create a process for addressing immigration that treats immigrants with dignity and respect instead of as criminals.”

    Compare to Netanyahu talking about Israel:
    http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.702318
    According to the Israeli newspaper, Haaretz, Netanyahu made these comments during a tour to the construction site of the fence on the border with Jordan.
    “At the end, in the State of Israel, as I see it, there will be a fence that spans it all [the country’s borders],” said Netanyahu.
    “I’ll be told, ‘this is what you want, to protect the villa?’ The answer is yes. Will we surround all of the State of Israel with fences and barriers? The answer is yes. In the area that we live in, we must defend ourselves against the wild beasts.”
    He added that the Israeli government is preparing a multi-year plan to surround all of Israel with fences, and close any last gaps in the huge concrete wall on Israel’s border with the West Bank—even though that wall has already de facto annexed large parts of Palestinian land.
    “This thing costs many billions, and we’re working on a multi-year plan of prioritization so it would be spread out over years in order to gradually build it, but to complete it to defend the State of Israel,” Netanyahu said.

    You’re welcome.

    Now it’s your turn. Provide a single– just one– example of a Jewish organization in the US or Europe (out of thousands) that backs a patriotic immigration policy for the host country. Good luck…

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    Wow. That is a substantial answer I can see at a glance though I haven't had time to read it and the links yet. Much appreciated even if I end up with a different take on some aspects of it than yours.
    , @Talha
    Eye opening stuff - thanks for the links!

    Peace.
    , @Karl
    > Provide a single– just one–example of a Jewish organization in the US or Europe (out of thousands) that backs a patriotic immigration policy for the host country

    How about two?



    1. Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership

    2. Jewish War Veterans of the United States of America
    , @Johann Ricke

    Provide a single– just one– example of a Jewish organization in the US or Europe (out of thousands) that backs a patriotic immigration policy for the host country. Good luck…
     
    How many non-Jewish organizations back this policy? Remember - Jews are 2% of the US population. Whatever numbers there are of Jewish organizations that are pro-restriction, there should be 50x the non-Jewish organizations backing this policy. It's silly blaming Jews for the the lack of support for your personal preferences (whatever they happen to be). The reality is that societal views have changed. The way forward is not to demonize a high-achieving minority group, but to come up with persuasive arguments that don't reek of the unpleasantness of the past.
  81. @Talha
    Hey Clyde,

    I will be praying for you brother
     
    And I for you bro!

    Ahmadiyya Muslim
     
    Oxymoron.

    I like the way they roll
     
    Sure you do - they don't put up a fight if you want their resources. Cute, cuddly, pacifist Islam - British Raj loved those guys!

    they even have their own Mahdi
     
    Wrong one - stick around, the revolution may actually be televised.

    Peace.

    Ahmadiyya Muslims are extremely peace loving, the way the non-prophet was. They are not head choppers. They know you are the fake Muslim so join them. Ahmadiyya Muslims do not learn their Islam in prison the way most US born Muslims do. No my brother, Ahmadiyya Islam is not prison Islam or Bin Laden Islam.
    This is how I know they are the good guys and are the real deal. They make good astronauts but Pakistan refuses to launch them into space. Same for Vladimir RasPutin.

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    Hey Mawlana Clyde,

    This is how I know they are the good guys and are the real deal.
     
    I mean, wouldn't it be awesome if all these cute and cuddly pacifist 'Muslims' were the ones sitting on top of vast oil and gas reserves. Man that would make things so much easier.

    Peace.
  82. @Rudel
    IsraAid helps rapeugees get to Europe:

    http://newobserveronline.com/israel-officially-aids-3rd-world-invasion/

    The Central Council of Jews in Germany urges Germany to take at least 500,000 migrants per year.

    The World Jewish Congress and Central Council of Jews in Germany issued a formal statement in Die Welt welcoming the "refugee" invasion and attacking any Germans who opposed it as "neo-Nazis."

    http://newobserveronline.com/jews-at-forefront-of-welcoming-invasion/

    Then, of course, there's the notorious Barbara Lerner Spectre explaining why Jews must "be a the center" of promoting the destruction of Europe:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ERmOpZrKtw

    Finally, let's examine the depth of Jewish hypocrisy and the "ethnocentrism for me, but not for thee" stance:

    ADL Myths and Facts about Immigration:

    http://www.adl.org/civil-rights/immigration/c/immigration-myths-and-facts.html

    Myth number nine, the ADL says, is that “We can stop undocumented immigrants coming to the US by building a wall along the border with Mexico.”
    The ADL claims that a “wall or a fence along the entire border with Mexico would be impractical and very likely ineffective,” and that “history shows us that people find ways to cross walls.”
    Finally, the ADL says, rather than building a fence with Mexico, the US should “create a process for addressing immigration that treats immigrants with dignity and respect instead of as criminals.”

    Compare to Netanyahu talking about Israel:
    www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.702318
    According to the Israeli newspaper, Haaretz, Netanyahu made these comments during a tour to the construction site of the fence on the border with Jordan.
    “At the end, in the State of Israel, as I see it, there will be a fence that spans it all [the country’s borders],” said Netanyahu.
    “I’ll be told, ‘this is what you want, to protect the villa?’ The answer is yes. Will we surround all of the State of Israel with fences and barriers? The answer is yes. In the area that we live in, we must defend ourselves against the wild beasts.”
    He added that the Israeli government is preparing a multi-year plan to surround all of Israel with fences, and close any last gaps in the huge concrete wall on Israel’s border with the West Bank—even though that wall has already de facto annexed large parts of Palestinian land.
    “This thing costs many billions, and we’re working on a multi-year plan of prioritization so it would be spread out over years in order to gradually build it, but to complete it to defend the State of Israel,” Netanyahu said.

    You're welcome.

    Now it's your turn. Provide a single-- just one-- example of a Jewish organization in the US or Europe (out of thousands) that backs a patriotic immigration policy for the host country. Good luck...

    Wow. That is a substantial answer I can see at a glance though I haven’t had time to read it and the links yet. Much appreciated even if I end up with a different take on some aspects of it than yours.

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  83. @Clyde
    Ahmadiyya Muslims are extremely peace loving, the way the non-prophet was. They are not head choppers. They know you are the fake Muslim so join them. Ahmadiyya Muslims do not learn their Islam in prison the way most US born Muslims do. No my brother, Ahmadiyya Islam is not prison Islam or Bin Laden Islam.
    This is how I know they are the good guys and are the real deal. They make good astronauts but Pakistan refuses to launch them into space. Same for Vladimir RasPutin.

    Hey Mawlana Clyde,

    This is how I know they are the good guys and are the real deal.

    I mean, wouldn’t it be awesome if all these cute and cuddly pacifist ‘Muslims’ were the ones sitting on top of vast oil and gas reserves. Man that would make things so much easier.

    Peace.

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  84. @Jay Igaboo
    I could contest and I could also concede some points in your post, but not tonight,as one, I hate sitting at a keyboard and I only came here to acknowledge you're civil reply, and two, as a Scot, it would be contrary to the spirit of Hogmany to .


    Ever since our pagan days, Scots ( and many others, I'm sure ) tried to be gracious and generous in spirit on Hogmany in the hope of being a better person, and thus make for a better world.
    As you seem to be, despite our considerable differences a civil and decent sort o' laddie, ye'll ken fine weel that the most important "jihad" is the one eash and each and every one of us must fight within ourselves against the lesser parts of ourselves.
    If I swing by here again, I'll maybe reply more fully on that which I contest, but for the noo, a Guid New Year tae and and a': and with a heartfelt wish for this sorry world, I'll borrow your usual sign-off.
    Peace.

    Hey Jay I,

    Great Scot – a Scot!!! :)

    Tough, hardy, committed folk – without whom the British Empire could not have ruled even half of the territory that it did. I actually sincerely mean that as a compliment – hats off to you guys, you gave our folk a run for our money back in the days of the ‘Gunpowder Empires’.

    I totally agree with you that the greatest jihad is that of the inner self; one can lose the war but win over one’s own soul. This was such a man:

    http://www.abdelkaderproject.org/about-emir-abdelkader/

    And I thank you for your etiquette; I wish everyone would simply conduct themselves online as they would if they were sitting across them – that would, as you said, make for a better world.

    May God preserve you with honor this upcoming year and beyond.

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    • Replies: @Jay Igaboo
    Aye, a Scot indeed, but the hardiness. Industriousness and moral fibre has been greatly leeched away by various influences these past 3 decades—I am an occasional guest at functions in the barracks of my former regiments, and for some years the young bloods serving today have been telling me that they struggle to get men of the right quality.
    I read your link, and as I am very, very suspicious of those who seek power over others, I’m always suspicious that their reputations are well, somewhat garnished, but if half of it is true, then he was an admirable man in very many ways- a the most important of which were his heart. his character and his intelligence.
    Many years ago a man said to me “But you surely respect my ambition to do well and get on in life?”
    I replied that I did not, as greedy, status-seekers were ten a penny, my admiration was not for those who wish to do well IN the world, but for those who desire to do well FOR the world.
    I don’t think he “got it”, but, as indicated by your admiration for Abdel Kadar, I’m fairly confident that you will.
    I find it very heartening that those with ambition to do well FOR the world, like Abdel Kadar, occasionally do triumph over some of the self-seeking psychos would want to do well IN the world. To expand upon that, many years ago I read an excellent book by Charles Allen; Soldier-Sahibs: The Men who made the North-West Frontier, an historical account of the towering figures who established The Raj.

    One was General John Nicholson, who matched terror with much greater terror and thus secured many victories for the Raj. With what has to be the daddy of all excuses for being late for dinner, during The Indian Mutiny he strolled in (late) to the mess tent and announced, "I am sorry, gentlemen, to have kept you waiting for your dinner, but I have been hanging your cooks."

    (He had been told that the regimental chefs had poisoned the soup with aconite. When they refused to taste it for him, he force fed it to a monkey - and when it expired on the spot, he proceeded to hang the cooks from a nearby tree without a trial.”
    Another momentous figure of the Raj was General Sir James Abbott, who eventually became governor of Hazara.
    The Governorship was a real meal-ticked appointment, but Abbot was a man of great integrity who rooted out corruption and treated others as kindly as he could, and when he left India he had taken little in personal fortune from it and given much of his wealth to it.
    His governorship was marked by its exceptional peacefulness no small feat then and now. He founded a small military and civil cantonment that grew and prospered continuously. After he left India , is was named after him*
    When asked how he manged to control the various tribal leaders he said according to Allen “ Why Sir, I treated them as one gentleman treats another.”
    That seems a bit of a stretch, but who knows? Abbott certainly loved the place and loved its people.


    Of Nicholson, who terrorised those who attacked British interests, there is little evidence of his once-massive presence, most monuments have been removed, and almost anything that bore his name was changed, as is common in post-colonial regimes.

    But of Abbot what remains? Well, after he left India, the small settlement had its name changed
    Ayub, a Pakistani friend I have (yup, I have a few!) on holiday in Pakistan about 15 years ago. and needed respite from the heat and went into the mountains in the area where Abbot had founded his small settlement,—the city of over a millions souls that still bears his name, Abbottabad.
    Ayub told me that every morning, without fail, a soldier comes out of the Military College and polishes the nameplate on the statue of “Kaka Abbott” (Uncle Abbott.)

    The same can be seen in Africa, where newly-independent or after every change of government names change by the next morning. The names of towns named after those who wanted to do well for themselves, such as Rhodes, are long removed, but Malawi’s second largest city is still called Blantyre, and the university town is still called Livingstonia.
    David Livingstone was the Scottish medical missionary and explorer, who, in a complex endeavour to end the Arab-Swahili slave-trade gave most of his life to minister spiritually and medically to Africans.
    Maybe in 2017 the good guys will win, eh?
    Thank you for your good wishes,
    Good luck to you and yours in 2017.
  85. @Rudel
    IsraAid helps rapeugees get to Europe:

    http://newobserveronline.com/israel-officially-aids-3rd-world-invasion/

    The Central Council of Jews in Germany urges Germany to take at least 500,000 migrants per year.

    The World Jewish Congress and Central Council of Jews in Germany issued a formal statement in Die Welt welcoming the "refugee" invasion and attacking any Germans who opposed it as "neo-Nazis."

    http://newobserveronline.com/jews-at-forefront-of-welcoming-invasion/

    Then, of course, there's the notorious Barbara Lerner Spectre explaining why Jews must "be a the center" of promoting the destruction of Europe:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ERmOpZrKtw

    Finally, let's examine the depth of Jewish hypocrisy and the "ethnocentrism for me, but not for thee" stance:

    ADL Myths and Facts about Immigration:

    http://www.adl.org/civil-rights/immigration/c/immigration-myths-and-facts.html

    Myth number nine, the ADL says, is that “We can stop undocumented immigrants coming to the US by building a wall along the border with Mexico.”
    The ADL claims that a “wall or a fence along the entire border with Mexico would be impractical and very likely ineffective,” and that “history shows us that people find ways to cross walls.”
    Finally, the ADL says, rather than building a fence with Mexico, the US should “create a process for addressing immigration that treats immigrants with dignity and respect instead of as criminals.”

    Compare to Netanyahu talking about Israel:
    www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.702318
    According to the Israeli newspaper, Haaretz, Netanyahu made these comments during a tour to the construction site of the fence on the border with Jordan.
    “At the end, in the State of Israel, as I see it, there will be a fence that spans it all [the country’s borders],” said Netanyahu.
    “I’ll be told, ‘this is what you want, to protect the villa?’ The answer is yes. Will we surround all of the State of Israel with fences and barriers? The answer is yes. In the area that we live in, we must defend ourselves against the wild beasts.”
    He added that the Israeli government is preparing a multi-year plan to surround all of Israel with fences, and close any last gaps in the huge concrete wall on Israel’s border with the West Bank—even though that wall has already de facto annexed large parts of Palestinian land.
    “This thing costs many billions, and we’re working on a multi-year plan of prioritization so it would be spread out over years in order to gradually build it, but to complete it to defend the State of Israel,” Netanyahu said.

    You're welcome.

    Now it's your turn. Provide a single-- just one-- example of a Jewish organization in the US or Europe (out of thousands) that backs a patriotic immigration policy for the host country. Good luck...

    Eye opening stuff – thanks for the links!

    Peace.

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  86. @Avery
    {This is, unfortunately, a huge blight on Muslim history. }

    Yo, Talha:

    Armenians at large do not blame Islam at large for the AG.
    We know there are Muslims and there are Muslims.

    The main driver of the AG was Turk nationalism and their goal of eliminating indigenous Armenians and other indigenous peoples of Asia Minor, so that Turks could take their lands and everything else: the effort largely succeeded.

    However, Islam did play a role: ordinary Muslim people - Turks and Kurds - enthusiastically participated in the slaughter, the looting, child-abduction, etc. And not just a minority: super majorities.
    Turks and Kurds who helped and saved _some_ Armenians were a tiny, tiny minority.

    AG was a result of a virulent combination of Turk+Islam.

    Nevertheless, our main beef is with Turk nationalism, its foundational anti-Armenian virulent hatred, and its eternal goal of wiping out the remaining Armenians in what remains of their ancestral homeland (about 10% today).
    Even today little Armenia is in constant danger from Turks: Caspian Turks from the East (Azerbaijan) and Osmanli Turks from West (Turkey).

    Interestingly, Kurds who helped Turks before and during AG, are now on the receiving end of the virulent Turk nationalism*.
    But Kurds are too numerous now to be subjected to wholesale genocide by Turks, so they are safe from extermination.

    (Christian) Republic of Armenia and Islamic Republic of Iran have very cordial relations. Armenians and Iranians/Persians are genetic cousins.
    We have been neighbors for 1,000s of years.
    We have had some squabbles from time to time, as most neighbors do.
    But nothing permanent.

    Both our peoples are indigenous, sedentary, creative civilizations of 1,000s of years: unlike nomad Turk tribes which invaded our region from afar.
    Both RoA and IRI respect each others’ religion, keep it separate, and concentrate on mutually beneficial secular developments.

    Every Novruz 10s of 1,000s of Iranians visit Armenia to let loose and celebrate (...safely away from the gaze of religious police in Iran).
    Armenia’s guests have a good time, RoA gets Iranian tourism income, and at the end of the day guests go back home: everybody happy.


    -----
    * [‘Burned to death, beheaded’: Cizre Kurds accuse Erdogan’s forces of civilian massacre]
    https://www.rt.com/news/335200-cizre-burned-beheaded-kurds-erdogan/

    Yo Avery,

    I’m glad you can make these distinctions where others can’t.

    The Ottomans actually had good relations with the Kurds until they became bitten with this Turkey-only-for-Turks business:
    “Confronted with the choice of being annexed at some point by Persia or formally accepting the supremacy of the Ottoman sultan in exchange for a very wide autonomy, the Kurdish leaders opted for this second solution and thus Kurdistan, or more exactly its countless fiefs and principalities entered the Ottoman bosom by the path of diplomacy…This particular status was to assure Kurdistan about three centuries of peace. The Ottomans controlled some strategic garrisons on the Kurdish territory, but the rest of the country was governed by the Kurdish lords and princes. As well as a string of modest hereditary seigniories, Kurdistan totalled 17 principalities of hukumets possessing a wide autonomy. Some of them for example those of. Ardalan, Hisn Kaif’ Bohtan, and Rowanduz were endowed with attributes of independence. Despite interferences from time to time from the central power, this particular status, to the satisfaction of the Kurds and the Ottomans, functioned without any major hitch until the beginning of the XIXth century.”

    http://www.institutkurde.org/en/institute/who_are_the_kurds.php

    It is still affects them quite a bit today and is shown in the way they try to deal with their ‘Kurdish problem’. They have to get rid of the ghosts of the YT and CUP.

    I’m glad Iran and Armenia have good relations and I hope they continue that way.

    Peace.

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  87. Just a word or so on this idea of “just put them in camps” when all else fails etc. Simply, it becomes a monumental political head-fuck. Ask any Australian politician.
    On-shore camps become a locus — or focus of violent, outlandish protest (& assisted escapes). For the media it’s the gift that just keeps on giving….
    Oh, & they don’t discourage anyone…

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  88. @Anon

    It is often noted that the first Christians absorbed the sexual norms from the Jewish practice
     
    By whom?

    You will forgive me if I take Ms. Glancy's interpretations of Christianity about as seriously as you take the interpretations of Islam given by "sarz" here: http://www.unz.com/pgottfried/real-islam-and-democracy/#comment-1711615 .

    What is a post-Abolition context? The Middle Ages?

    From I Corinthians 7, referred to by Ms. Glancy:

    As for the questions raised in your letter; a man does well to abstain from all commerce with women. But, to avoid the danger of fornication, let every man keep his own wife, and every woman her own husband.
     
    And from the Catholic Encyclopedia:

    The Apostolic Constitutions impose upon the master the duty of making his slave contract "a legitimate marriage" (III, iv; VIII, xxxii). St. John Chrysostom declares that slaves have the marital power over their wives and the paternal over their children ("In Ep. ad Ephes.", Hom. xxii, 2). He says that "he who has immoral relations with the wife of a slave is as culpable as he who has the like relations with the wife of the prince: both are adulterers, for it is not the condition of the parties that makes the crime" ("In I Thess.", Hom. v, 2; "In II Thess.", Hom. iii, 2).
     
    Peace with you as well.

    First of – thank you for discussing with such courtesy.

    By whom?

    By recorded history of the first Christian generations. You have to keep in mind, observance or rejection of Mosaic Law goes all the way back to debates between Paul and James the Just. To this day certain Christian Churches – some of the earliest ones – still practice things based off Mosaic Law, couple of examples are Psalms-based evidence for the 7-times daily prayers of the Syriac Church and observation of kosher-like rules for the Ethiopian Orthodox.

    Ms. Glancy is both a Christian and a historian. She is not a theologian, but a religion must form a coherent narrative based on theological grounds as well as factual historical evidence – Islam needs do the same. Otherwise you flirt with things like ‘Young Earth’ doctrine.

    As far as Corinthians, you are correct, Paul is saying avoid immorality by getting a wife. Qur’an also says that, however, as Ms. Glancy is making it clear, that sex with a slave was not considered improper in that era, thus asking someone to get married, does not preclude also procuring a slave. There simply is no explicit prohibition for an act that was common. To make an example; the Arabs would eat camel meat and drink alcohol before the advent of Islam – this was their common culture. When Islam came, it specifically prohibited alcohol, but said nothing about camel meat – thus, unless there was a specific prohibition, the assumption is, the prevailing custom in in play. If anything, Paul was specifically the one throwing off the shackles of Mosaic prohibitions, not enjoining new ones. And of course, the Son of Mary (pbuh) is silent about the matter.

    Furthermore, she explores this idea if you read further in the link by citing the writings of Jerome (the hermit theologian) as well as Ambrose of Milan and people like John Chrysostom about their exhortations for men to avoid sex with slaves, mostly due to the marriage problems that would arise. This is further explored here:
    “The slaveholding men in Ambrose’s churches were still conditioned by ancient Roman habitus to assume as a matter of course that they had the legal, cultural and moral right to use their slaves sexually…If Abraham could carry on with a female slave, a Christian man might ask, why can’t I?…He knew that, regardless of his exhortations, many Christian men would continue to have sex with their slaves. He therefore wrote that Christian men who regrettably pursued sexual relations with their slaves should insist that those slaves subordinate themselves to their mistresses.”
    Beyond Slavery: Overcoming Its Religious and Sexual Legacies

    Here is a good read on John Chrysostom’s views on trying to interdict the practice:
    Preaching Bondage: John Chrysostom and the Discourse of Slavery in Early Christianity

    The problem here is that these specific writings arise in the 4th/5th centuries and this discourse of either discouraging or outright prohibiting sex with slaves comes a few hundred centuries after the religion got off the ground.

    Again, not trying to denigrate Christianity here. I am simply forwarding the idea that Christianity definitely outlaws sex with slaves and slavery as a whole now – but one has a difficult time proving that this was the absolute case since inception especially given the realities of the society at the time.

    As far as your citation from the Catholic Encyclopedia, that is actually very similar to the rules Islam has. Masters are exhorted to let their slaves marry as the explanation on the verse (24:32) by the late Grand Mufti of Pakistan, Mufti Shafi Usmani (ra) in his “Ma’arif ul Qur’an” (nice to dust it off my shelf once in a while):
    “So it is incumbent upon the masters of the slaves and the slave girls that those among them who have the ability to get married, their marriage should be arranged. It is purported to mean here that if they show their need and desire to get married, then according to some jurists it is binding on the owners to marry them off. But the majority of jurists have ruled that in such a situation it is incumbent upon the masters not to place any hindrance in their marriage and allow them to get married, because the marriage of slaves and slave girls cannot be performed without the permission of their owners.”

    …and once the slave is married, sexual access is cut off for the owner even though the person of the slave is still property. Sexual access to a slave (even unmarried) in which one has only partial ownership (a slave could be jointly owned by multiple people), is also prohibited.

    One thing for sure though – Christians get the lion’s share of credit for getting rid of slavery across the world.

    Peace.

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    Wasn't that the same Mufti that married his favorite camel?
  89. @Rudel
    IsraAid helps rapeugees get to Europe:

    http://newobserveronline.com/israel-officially-aids-3rd-world-invasion/

    The Central Council of Jews in Germany urges Germany to take at least 500,000 migrants per year.

    The World Jewish Congress and Central Council of Jews in Germany issued a formal statement in Die Welt welcoming the "refugee" invasion and attacking any Germans who opposed it as "neo-Nazis."

    http://newobserveronline.com/jews-at-forefront-of-welcoming-invasion/

    Then, of course, there's the notorious Barbara Lerner Spectre explaining why Jews must "be a the center" of promoting the destruction of Europe:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ERmOpZrKtw

    Finally, let's examine the depth of Jewish hypocrisy and the "ethnocentrism for me, but not for thee" stance:

    ADL Myths and Facts about Immigration:

    http://www.adl.org/civil-rights/immigration/c/immigration-myths-and-facts.html

    Myth number nine, the ADL says, is that “We can stop undocumented immigrants coming to the US by building a wall along the border with Mexico.”
    The ADL claims that a “wall or a fence along the entire border with Mexico would be impractical and very likely ineffective,” and that “history shows us that people find ways to cross walls.”
    Finally, the ADL says, rather than building a fence with Mexico, the US should “create a process for addressing immigration that treats immigrants with dignity and respect instead of as criminals.”

    Compare to Netanyahu talking about Israel:
    www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.702318
    According to the Israeli newspaper, Haaretz, Netanyahu made these comments during a tour to the construction site of the fence on the border with Jordan.
    “At the end, in the State of Israel, as I see it, there will be a fence that spans it all [the country’s borders],” said Netanyahu.
    “I’ll be told, ‘this is what you want, to protect the villa?’ The answer is yes. Will we surround all of the State of Israel with fences and barriers? The answer is yes. In the area that we live in, we must defend ourselves against the wild beasts.”
    He added that the Israeli government is preparing a multi-year plan to surround all of Israel with fences, and close any last gaps in the huge concrete wall on Israel’s border with the West Bank—even though that wall has already de facto annexed large parts of Palestinian land.
    “This thing costs many billions, and we’re working on a multi-year plan of prioritization so it would be spread out over years in order to gradually build it, but to complete it to defend the State of Israel,” Netanyahu said.

    You're welcome.

    Now it's your turn. Provide a single-- just one-- example of a Jewish organization in the US or Europe (out of thousands) that backs a patriotic immigration policy for the host country. Good luck...

    > Provide a single– just one–example of a Jewish organization in the US or Europe (out of thousands) that backs a patriotic immigration policy for the host country

    How about two?

    1. Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership

    2. Jewish War Veterans of the United States of America

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  90. Refugees would be dealt with by using the three strikes and your out policy. If they are to be deported, they will be shipped to North Korea for forced labor in their gulags. I am sure Kim Dong Wong would love to have some extra labor in his salt mines and this gift of free labor would improve relations with the west and get rid of our pestilence at the same time.

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  91. @Talha
    First of - thank you for discussing with such courtesy.

    By whom?
     
    By recorded history of the first Christian generations. You have to keep in mind, observance or rejection of Mosaic Law goes all the way back to debates between Paul and James the Just. To this day certain Christian Churches - some of the earliest ones - still practice things based off Mosaic Law, couple of examples are Psalms-based evidence for the 7-times daily prayers of the Syriac Church and observation of kosher-like rules for the Ethiopian Orthodox.

    Ms. Glancy is both a Christian and a historian. She is not a theologian, but a religion must form a coherent narrative based on theological grounds as well as factual historical evidence - Islam needs do the same. Otherwise you flirt with things like 'Young Earth' doctrine.

    As far as Corinthians, you are correct, Paul is saying avoid immorality by getting a wife. Qur'an also says that, however, as Ms. Glancy is making it clear, that sex with a slave was not considered improper in that era, thus asking someone to get married, does not preclude also procuring a slave. There simply is no explicit prohibition for an act that was common. To make an example; the Arabs would eat camel meat and drink alcohol before the advent of Islam - this was their common culture. When Islam came, it specifically prohibited alcohol, but said nothing about camel meat - thus, unless there was a specific prohibition, the assumption is, the prevailing custom in in play. If anything, Paul was specifically the one throwing off the shackles of Mosaic prohibitions, not enjoining new ones. And of course, the Son of Mary (pbuh) is silent about the matter.

    Furthermore, she explores this idea if you read further in the link by citing the writings of Jerome (the hermit theologian) as well as Ambrose of Milan and people like John Chrysostom about their exhortations for men to avoid sex with slaves, mostly due to the marriage problems that would arise. This is further explored here:
    "The slaveholding men in Ambrose's churches were still conditioned by ancient Roman habitus to assume as a matter of course that they had the legal, cultural and moral right to use their slaves sexually...If Abraham could carry on with a female slave, a Christian man might ask, why can't I?...He knew that, regardless of his exhortations, many Christian men would continue to have sex with their slaves. He therefore wrote that Christian men who regrettably pursued sexual relations with their slaves should insist that those slaves subordinate themselves to their mistresses."
    Beyond Slavery: Overcoming Its Religious and Sexual Legacies

    Here is a good read on John Chrysostom's views on trying to interdict the practice:
    Preaching Bondage: John Chrysostom and the Discourse of Slavery in Early Christianity

    The problem here is that these specific writings arise in the 4th/5th centuries and this discourse of either discouraging or outright prohibiting sex with slaves comes a few hundred centuries after the religion got off the ground.

    Again, not trying to denigrate Christianity here. I am simply forwarding the idea that Christianity definitely outlaws sex with slaves and slavery as a whole now - but one has a difficult time proving that this was the absolute case since inception especially given the realities of the society at the time.

    As far as your citation from the Catholic Encyclopedia, that is actually very similar to the rules Islam has. Masters are exhorted to let their slaves marry as the explanation on the verse (24:32) by the late Grand Mufti of Pakistan, Mufti Shafi Usmani (ra) in his "Ma'arif ul Qur'an" (nice to dust it off my shelf once in a while):
    “So it is incumbent upon the masters of the slaves and the slave girls that those among them who have the ability to get married, their marriage should be arranged. It is purported to mean here that if they show their need and desire to get married, then according to some jurists it is binding on the owners to marry them off. But the majority of jurists have ruled that in such a situation it is incumbent upon the masters not to place any hindrance in their marriage and allow them to get married, because the marriage of slaves and slave girls cannot be performed without the permission of their owners."

    ...and once the slave is married, sexual access is cut off for the owner even though the person of the slave is still property. Sexual access to a slave (even unmarried) in which one has only partial ownership (a slave could be jointly owned by multiple people), is also prohibited.

    One thing for sure though - Christians get the lion's share of credit for getting rid of slavery across the world.

    Peace.

    Wasn’t that the same Mufti that married his favorite camel?

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    Hey AA,

    I don't think so - I don't recall him ever even proposing to your mom.

    Peace.

    , @Talha
    Hey AA,

    After reflecting on my response after the noon prayer, I realized I should have avoided responding in kind. I'm sure your mother is a wonderful lady - I had no right to infringe on her honor.

    Mistake is acknowledged and pardon is sought.

    Peace.
  92. @Abdulla Abdulla
    Wasn't that the same Mufti that married his favorite camel?

    Hey AA,

    I don’t think so – I don’t recall him ever even proposing to your mom.

    Peace.

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    iffen, if you are watching - that one was for you to rate on a scale 1-10.

    Also, should I have added:
    "I could be wrong though, ask her to check under her saddle for the marriage certificate after she stops spitting."

    Or was it fine as it was, coach?
  93. @Talha
    Hey AA,

    I don't think so - I don't recall him ever even proposing to your mom.

    Peace.

    iffen, if you are watching – that one was for you to rate on a scale 1-10.

    Also, should I have added:
    “I could be wrong though, ask her to check under her saddle for the marriage certificate after she stops spitting.”

    Or was it fine as it was, coach?

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  94. @Rudel
    IsraAid helps rapeugees get to Europe:

    http://newobserveronline.com/israel-officially-aids-3rd-world-invasion/

    The Central Council of Jews in Germany urges Germany to take at least 500,000 migrants per year.

    The World Jewish Congress and Central Council of Jews in Germany issued a formal statement in Die Welt welcoming the "refugee" invasion and attacking any Germans who opposed it as "neo-Nazis."

    http://newobserveronline.com/jews-at-forefront-of-welcoming-invasion/

    Then, of course, there's the notorious Barbara Lerner Spectre explaining why Jews must "be a the center" of promoting the destruction of Europe:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ERmOpZrKtw

    Finally, let's examine the depth of Jewish hypocrisy and the "ethnocentrism for me, but not for thee" stance:

    ADL Myths and Facts about Immigration:

    http://www.adl.org/civil-rights/immigration/c/immigration-myths-and-facts.html

    Myth number nine, the ADL says, is that “We can stop undocumented immigrants coming to the US by building a wall along the border with Mexico.”
    The ADL claims that a “wall or a fence along the entire border with Mexico would be impractical and very likely ineffective,” and that “history shows us that people find ways to cross walls.”
    Finally, the ADL says, rather than building a fence with Mexico, the US should “create a process for addressing immigration that treats immigrants with dignity and respect instead of as criminals.”

    Compare to Netanyahu talking about Israel:
    www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.702318
    According to the Israeli newspaper, Haaretz, Netanyahu made these comments during a tour to the construction site of the fence on the border with Jordan.
    “At the end, in the State of Israel, as I see it, there will be a fence that spans it all [the country’s borders],” said Netanyahu.
    “I’ll be told, ‘this is what you want, to protect the villa?’ The answer is yes. Will we surround all of the State of Israel with fences and barriers? The answer is yes. In the area that we live in, we must defend ourselves against the wild beasts.”
    He added that the Israeli government is preparing a multi-year plan to surround all of Israel with fences, and close any last gaps in the huge concrete wall on Israel’s border with the West Bank—even though that wall has already de facto annexed large parts of Palestinian land.
    “This thing costs many billions, and we’re working on a multi-year plan of prioritization so it would be spread out over years in order to gradually build it, but to complete it to defend the State of Israel,” Netanyahu said.

    You're welcome.

    Now it's your turn. Provide a single-- just one-- example of a Jewish organization in the US or Europe (out of thousands) that backs a patriotic immigration policy for the host country. Good luck...

    Provide a single– just one– example of a Jewish organization in the US or Europe (out of thousands) that backs a patriotic immigration policy for the host country. Good luck…

    How many non-Jewish organizations back this policy? Remember – Jews are 2% of the US population. Whatever numbers there are of Jewish organizations that are pro-restriction, there should be 50x the non-Jewish organizations backing this policy. It’s silly blaming Jews for the the lack of support for your personal preferences (whatever they happen to be). The reality is that societal views have changed. The way forward is not to demonize a high-achieving minority group, but to come up with persuasive arguments that don’t reek of the unpleasantness of the past.

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  95. @Abdulla Abdulla
    Wasn't that the same Mufti that married his favorite camel?

    Hey AA,

    After reflecting on my response after the noon prayer, I realized I should have avoided responding in kind. I’m sure your mother is a wonderful lady – I had no right to infringe on her honor.

    Mistake is acknowledged and pardon is sought.

    Peace.

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  96. @Talha
    Interesting article. I totally agree that these immigration policies are indeed maddening judging from these details. This level of ineptitude cannot simply be negligence, can it?

    But again, complete silence from Mr. Derbyshire on "Europe's Murdering Muslims" - ahem "Europe is Murdering Muslims" by its collusion with idiotic US policy in the Middle East.

    Peace.

    Bonus:
    "We found a growing sense of grievance among sections of the White population, and a stronger sense of identification with the plight of "Whites" or global White community."

    Wow - will you look at that? A switch of a couple of nouns and it doesn't sound too threatening does it?

    How many Muslim countries did the US invade/occupy when Sayyid Qutb was writing his inspirational works? The seeds of modern jihad started long before the neocons took control. One could argue the former (Qutb’s anti-western rants) lead to the latter (neocon’s destruction of the ME).

    Chicken /Egg arguments?

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    Hey neprof,

    Sayyid Qutb? The seeds of modern jihadi movements pre-date the American Civil War; the seeds began with the ultra-reformist Salafi/Wahhabi movements. You may have heard of Wahhabis, look up Jamal uddin Afghani and Muhammad Abduh.

    One could argue the former (Qutb’s anti-western rants) lead to the latter (neocon’s destruction of the ME).
     
    They destroyed the Middle East because they were called names?

    That's not even what I'm talking about. I am making a simple observation; there were no boat people before the destruction of Iraq, Libya and Syria - is there a question about that?

    Peace.
  97. @Talha
    Hey Jay I,

    Great Scot - a Scot!!! :)

    Tough, hardy, committed folk - without whom the British Empire could not have ruled even half of the territory that it did. I actually sincerely mean that as a compliment - hats off to you guys, you gave our folk a run for our money back in the days of the 'Gunpowder Empires'.

    I totally agree with you that the greatest jihad is that of the inner self; one can lose the war but win over one's own soul. This was such a man:
    http://www.abdelkaderproject.org/about-emir-abdelkader/

    And I thank you for your etiquette; I wish everyone would simply conduct themselves online as they would if they were sitting across them - that would, as you said, make for a better world.

    May God preserve you with honor this upcoming year and beyond.

    Aye, a Scot indeed, but the hardiness. Industriousness and moral fibre has been greatly leeched away by various influences these past 3 decades—I am an occasional guest at functions in the barracks of my former regiments, and for some years the young bloods serving today have been telling me that they struggle to get men of the right quality.
    I read your link, and as I am very, very suspicious of those who seek power over others, I’m always suspicious that their reputations are well, somewhat garnished, but if half of it is true, then he was an admirable man in very many ways- a the most important of which were his heart. his character and his intelligence.
    Many years ago a man said to me “But you surely respect my ambition to do well and get on in life?”
    I replied that I did not, as greedy, status-seekers were ten a penny, my admiration was not for those who wish to do well IN the world, but for those who desire to do well FOR the world.
    I don’t think he “got it”, but, as indicated by your admiration for Abdel Kadar, I’m fairly confident that you will.
    I find it very heartening that those with ambition to do well FOR the world, like Abdel Kadar, occasionally do triumph over some of the self-seeking psychos would want to do well IN the world. To expand upon that, many years ago I read an excellent book by Charles Allen; Soldier-Sahibs: The Men who made the North-West Frontier, an historical account of the towering figures who established The Raj.

    One was General John Nicholson, who matched terror with much greater terror and thus secured many victories for the Raj. With what has to be the daddy of all excuses for being late for dinner, during The Indian Mutiny he strolled in (late) to the mess tent and announced, “I am sorry, gentlemen, to have kept you waiting for your dinner, but I have been hanging your cooks.”

    (He had been told that the regimental chefs had poisoned the soup with aconite. When they refused to taste it for him, he force fed it to a monkey – and when it expired on the spot, he proceeded to hang the cooks from a nearby tree without a trial.”
    Another momentous figure of the Raj was General Sir James Abbott, who eventually became governor of Hazara.
    The Governorship was a real meal-ticked appointment, but Abbot was a man of great integrity who rooted out corruption and treated others as kindly as he could, and when he left India he had taken little in personal fortune from it and given much of his wealth to it.
    His governorship was marked by its exceptional peacefulness no small feat then and now. He founded a small military and civil cantonment that grew and prospered continuously. After he left India , is was named after him*
    When asked how he manged to control the various tribal leaders he said according to Allen “ Why Sir, I treated them as one gentleman treats another.”
    That seems a bit of a stretch, but who knows? Abbott certainly loved the place and loved its people.

    Of Nicholson, who terrorised those who attacked British interests, there is little evidence of his once-massive presence, most monuments have been removed, and almost anything that bore his name was changed, as is common in post-colonial regimes.

    But of Abbot what remains? Well, after he left India, the small settlement had its name changed
    Ayub, a Pakistani friend I have (yup, I have a few!) on holiday in Pakistan about 15 years ago. and needed respite from the heat and went into the mountains in the area where Abbot had founded his small settlement,—the city of over a millions souls that still bears his name, Abbottabad.
    Ayub told me that every morning, without fail, a soldier comes out of the Military College and polishes the nameplate on the statue of “Kaka Abbott” (Uncle Abbott.)

    The same can be seen in Africa, where newly-independent or after every change of government names change by the next morning. The names of towns named after those who wanted to do well for themselves, such as Rhodes, are long removed, but Malawi’s second largest city is still called Blantyre, and the university town is still called Livingstonia.
    David Livingstone was the Scottish medical missionary and explorer, who, in a complex endeavour to end the Arab-Swahili slave-trade gave most of his life to minister spiritually and medically to Africans.
    Maybe in 2017 the good guys will win, eh?
    Thank you for your good wishes,
    Good luck to you and yours in 2017.

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    Hey Jay I,

    Your comment is full of the wisdom that comes age, an expansive heart and open mind - may God bless you in each of these. To this day Muslims (the ones who know their history - not the ignorant extremists) will praise the magnanimous rulers among the Normans like Roger II of Sicily and even the Crusader kings that were fair rulers (again many Normans distinguished themselves). Ibn Jubayr wrote of the city of Tyre under the Crusaders:
    "Its people are by disposition less stubborn in their unbelief, and by nature and habit they are kinder to the Muslim stranger. Their manners, in other words, are gentler. Their dwellings are larger and more spacious. The state of the Muslims in this city is easier and more peaceful."
    http://www.arts.cornell.edu/prh3/259/texts/jubayr.htm

    Compare it to what he said about Acre.

    We spit on the memories of men like Reynald de Chatillon though - for good reason - he sent men to harass and hunt down unarmed pilgrims on the Hajj - vile to the extreme.


    Pakistani friend I have (yup, I have a few!)
     
    I was also born in Pakistan - I would be honored if you considered me a friend as well!

    And may 2017 bring more peace!

  98. The so-called refugees respect force. Hence, they should be facing either a valid, homecountry issued and carefully kept ID or a firing squad. No impunity for willful and defiant destroying of their IDs. Talks of human rights, tolerance, multiculturalism and diversity are a bunch of B.S., that has brought us to the situation we’re at now. It is time to wake up and stand our ground – geographicaly, socially, politically, genetically and culturally. If the newcomers-refugees don’t respect our order, system, culture, morals, way of life etc, they’d better hit the road home asap. Alternatively, a firing squad.

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  99. @neprof
    How many Muslim countries did the US invade/occupy when Sayyid Qutb was writing his inspirational works? The seeds of modern jihad started long before the neocons took control. One could argue the former (Qutb's anti-western rants) lead to the latter (neocon's destruction of the ME).

    Chicken /Egg arguments?

    Hey neprof,

    Sayyid Qutb? The seeds of modern jihadi movements pre-date the American Civil War; the seeds began with the ultra-reformist Salafi/Wahhabi movements. You may have heard of Wahhabis, look up Jamal uddin Afghani and Muhammad Abduh.

    One could argue the former (Qutb’s anti-western rants) lead to the latter (neocon’s destruction of the ME).

    They destroyed the Middle East because they were called names?

    That’s not even what I’m talking about. I am making a simple observation; there were no boat people before the destruction of Iraq, Libya and Syria – is there a question about that?

    Peace.

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  100. @Jay Igaboo
    Aye, a Scot indeed, but the hardiness. Industriousness and moral fibre has been greatly leeched away by various influences these past 3 decades—I am an occasional guest at functions in the barracks of my former regiments, and for some years the young bloods serving today have been telling me that they struggle to get men of the right quality.
    I read your link, and as I am very, very suspicious of those who seek power over others, I’m always suspicious that their reputations are well, somewhat garnished, but if half of it is true, then he was an admirable man in very many ways- a the most important of which were his heart. his character and his intelligence.
    Many years ago a man said to me “But you surely respect my ambition to do well and get on in life?”
    I replied that I did not, as greedy, status-seekers were ten a penny, my admiration was not for those who wish to do well IN the world, but for those who desire to do well FOR the world.
    I don’t think he “got it”, but, as indicated by your admiration for Abdel Kadar, I’m fairly confident that you will.
    I find it very heartening that those with ambition to do well FOR the world, like Abdel Kadar, occasionally do triumph over some of the self-seeking psychos would want to do well IN the world. To expand upon that, many years ago I read an excellent book by Charles Allen; Soldier-Sahibs: The Men who made the North-West Frontier, an historical account of the towering figures who established The Raj.

    One was General John Nicholson, who matched terror with much greater terror and thus secured many victories for the Raj. With what has to be the daddy of all excuses for being late for dinner, during The Indian Mutiny he strolled in (late) to the mess tent and announced, "I am sorry, gentlemen, to have kept you waiting for your dinner, but I have been hanging your cooks."

    (He had been told that the regimental chefs had poisoned the soup with aconite. When they refused to taste it for him, he force fed it to a monkey - and when it expired on the spot, he proceeded to hang the cooks from a nearby tree without a trial.”
    Another momentous figure of the Raj was General Sir James Abbott, who eventually became governor of Hazara.
    The Governorship was a real meal-ticked appointment, but Abbot was a man of great integrity who rooted out corruption and treated others as kindly as he could, and when he left India he had taken little in personal fortune from it and given much of his wealth to it.
    His governorship was marked by its exceptional peacefulness no small feat then and now. He founded a small military and civil cantonment that grew and prospered continuously. After he left India , is was named after him*
    When asked how he manged to control the various tribal leaders he said according to Allen “ Why Sir, I treated them as one gentleman treats another.”
    That seems a bit of a stretch, but who knows? Abbott certainly loved the place and loved its people.


    Of Nicholson, who terrorised those who attacked British interests, there is little evidence of his once-massive presence, most monuments have been removed, and almost anything that bore his name was changed, as is common in post-colonial regimes.

    But of Abbot what remains? Well, after he left India, the small settlement had its name changed
    Ayub, a Pakistani friend I have (yup, I have a few!) on holiday in Pakistan about 15 years ago. and needed respite from the heat and went into the mountains in the area where Abbot had founded his small settlement,—the city of over a millions souls that still bears his name, Abbottabad.
    Ayub told me that every morning, without fail, a soldier comes out of the Military College and polishes the nameplate on the statue of “Kaka Abbott” (Uncle Abbott.)

    The same can be seen in Africa, where newly-independent or after every change of government names change by the next morning. The names of towns named after those who wanted to do well for themselves, such as Rhodes, are long removed, but Malawi’s second largest city is still called Blantyre, and the university town is still called Livingstonia.
    David Livingstone was the Scottish medical missionary and explorer, who, in a complex endeavour to end the Arab-Swahili slave-trade gave most of his life to minister spiritually and medically to Africans.
    Maybe in 2017 the good guys will win, eh?
    Thank you for your good wishes,
    Good luck to you and yours in 2017.

    Hey Jay I,

    Your comment is full of the wisdom that comes age, an expansive heart and open mind – may God bless you in each of these. To this day Muslims (the ones who know their history – not the ignorant extremists) will praise the magnanimous rulers among the Normans like Roger II of Sicily and even the Crusader kings that were fair rulers (again many Normans distinguished themselves). Ibn Jubayr wrote of the city of Tyre under the Crusaders:
    “Its people are by disposition less stubborn in their unbelief, and by nature and habit they are kinder to the Muslim stranger. Their manners, in other words, are gentler. Their dwellings are larger and more spacious. The state of the Muslims in this city is easier and more peaceful.”

    http://www.arts.cornell.edu/prh3/259/texts/jubayr.htm

    Compare it to what he said about Acre.

    We spit on the memories of men like Reynald de Chatillon though – for good reason – he sent men to harass and hunt down unarmed pilgrims on the Hajj – vile to the extreme.

    Pakistani friend I have (yup, I have a few!)

    I was also born in Pakistan – I would be honored if you considered me a friend as well!

    And may 2017 bring more peace!

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  101. @Talha
    Hey Clyde,

    I will be praying for you brother
     
    And I for you bro!

    Ahmadiyya Muslim
     
    Oxymoron.

    I like the way they roll
     
    Sure you do - they don't put up a fight if you want their resources. Cute, cuddly, pacifist Islam - British Raj loved those guys!

    they even have their own Mahdi
     
    Wrong one - stick around, the revolution may actually be televised.

    Peace.

    The fake Muslims like you…
    Their real beef with the Ahmadiyya Muslims is they rank Mirza Ghulam Ahmad ahead of Muhammad. That he is the real final prophet. Of course this are not the real actual beliefs of the Ahmadiyya Muslims, but the Muslims fakers Sunni and Shiite think it is so. So of course they oppress and want to kill all the Ahmadiyya Muslims.

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    Mawlana Clyde,

    The fake Muslims like you
     
    Sticks and stones...

    That he is the real final prophet. Of course this are not the real actual beliefs of the Ahmadiyya Muslims
     
    Uh no - they are pretty clear, he is a new prophet - they just justify it using the same verses we use to denounce it:
    https://www.alislam.org/books/truth/finality.html

    they oppress and want to kill all the Ahmadiyya
     
    No need to, they simply need to be considered like any other non-Muslim minority and granted a security pact. They should absolutely not have to worry about their lives and property.

    Ahmadiyya Muslims
     
    Contradiction in terms.

    Sorry Mawlana Saheb, you can't have your cute and cuddly Muslims that fight you with 'jihad of the pen' when you send armies. Sucks for you.

    Peace.

  102. @Clyde
    The fake Muslims like you...
    Their real beef with the Ahmadiyya Muslims is they rank Mirza Ghulam Ahmad ahead of Muhammad. That he is the real final prophet. Of course this are not the real actual beliefs of the Ahmadiyya Muslims, but the Muslims fakers Sunni and Shiite think it is so. So of course they oppress and want to kill all the Ahmadiyya Muslims.

    Mawlana Clyde,

    The fake Muslims like you

    Sticks and stones…

    That he is the real final prophet. Of course this are not the real actual beliefs of the Ahmadiyya Muslims

    Uh no – they are pretty clear, he is a new prophet – they just justify it using the same verses we use to denounce it:

    https://www.alislam.org/books/truth/finality.html

    they oppress and want to kill all the Ahmadiyya

    No need to, they simply need to be considered like any other non-Muslim minority and granted a security pact. They should absolutely not have to worry about their lives and property.

    Ahmadiyya Muslims

    Contradiction in terms.

    Sorry Mawlana Saheb, you can’t have your cute and cuddly Muslims that fight you with ‘jihad of the pen’ when you send armies. Sucks for you.

    Peace.

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  103. @Ben Frank
    "You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?" Hitler as quoted in Inside the Third Reich: Memoirs, by Albert Speer, p. 115.

    Thanks Marcus.

    Europe killed the Jews and now makes up for it by importing people who will kill Jews.

    Europe did NOT kill the Jews! Stop Lying! Many thousands of people who were not Jewish HELPED Jews. Millions died fighting to help free Jews! It is sickening to see these lies foisted on us day in and day out! JUST STOP IT! It would be like people claiming that the Jews killed 36 million Christians in Russia! And then blaming the Jews for the last 80 years!

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    Simply add up the casualties of white rampage around the world, and anybody with a conscience can see the truth who the greatest murderers have been in the past 100 years or so.

    So derbyshire, when are you going to write an article about the “World’s Murdering Whites”?

    I am not going to hold my breath, though.

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  105. […] Europe’s Murdering Muslims Trump and Tillerson have the Power to Stop Them Coming Here immediately […]

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  106. @International Jew
    Dammit Derbyshire, why don't you get around to transcribing your Radio Derb segments and post them here finally?

    I love your work but it's better in writing.

    Dammit Derbyshire, why don’t you get around to transcribing your Radio Derb segments and post them here finally?

    I love your work but it’s better in writing.

    All of Radio Derb’s transcripts are available here: http://www.johnderbyshire.com/Opinions/RadioDerb/page.html

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  107. @Tiny Duck
    Sucks for you guys that the demographics are not in your favor and that white girls are increasingly lusting after Men of Color.

    How does it feel knowing that your sisters, daughters, and granddaughters will being bearing Children of Color and rejecting your vision of society?

    Again with the reruns……..!?

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  108. Er, no, Derb.

    You are retailing ruling-class propaganda on invasion. Or maybe you were infected by “1066 and All That.”

    Britain was last invaded in 1688 by the Dutch and a 500-ship fleet that went ashore in Devon. Of course it helped that the Whig Fifth Column was in league with them. Disraeli was the chap that exposed most of the perfidies of the Whigs in his “Sybil.”

    But the Dutch taught the Brits what I call “Dutch Finance” and immediately started ginning up the National Debt so Britain could fight and win the Second Hundred Years War against France. As you can see from ukpublicspending.co.uk/uk_national_debt_chart.html, the Brits had elevated the National Debt to 250% GDP by the moment of the close-run thing in Belgium in 1815.

    France has never been the same since.

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