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[Mr and Mrs Derb spent the second half of July on vacation in the Far East — ten days in Taiwan, then four days in Hong Kong. Here are some random observations about Taiwan. Since our Hong Kong visit overlapped into August, I’ll post on that in next month’s diary.
I last came to Taiwan forty-five years ago almost to the day, arriving July 23rd 1971 and staying for six weeks. Mrs Derb, a mainland-Chinese, had never been to Taiwan at all.]

Two weeks in Yellowtopia. The first thing you notice, strolling around in a Chinese city — in this case Taipei, shilinnightmarkedthe capital of Taiwan — for the first time in many years, is the appalling absence of racial diversity. Everybody in Taipei is Chinese.

Well, of course, not quite everybody. You come across a round-eye occasionally — so occasionally that you stare at each other for a couple of beats, then look away in embarrassment. And I’ve no doubt there are local concentrations here and there — around the universities, perhaps.

We saw precious few non-Chinese, though, and we were by no means slumming it. We stayed in a tourist hotel — not a grand one, but decently nice — and ambled among the crowds in touristy places like the Shilin Night Market and the National Palace Museum. Those crowds were well-nigh all Chinese … or at any rate East Asian: I suppose some proportion were tourists from Japan and Korea.

Taiwan is a Yellowtopia. Outside a few minor and particular social contexts, the Chinese don’t mind foreigners. They even occasionally marry them. Still they would never be such bloody fools as to invite foreign settlement in numbers so great as to demographically challenge the native stock.

As to permitting settlement in those numbers un-invited: Well, there are degrees of folly too extreme to be contemplated by any civilization that has not lost its collective mind.

Cultural Marxism with Chinese characteristics
Not that race-guilt-mongering is totally absent from the tsaiscene in Taiwan. The current (since January this year) President Tsai Ing-wen is a Cultural Marxist determined to right historical wrongs, or at any rate to make proper gestures in that direction.

Tsai could never go full Angela Merkel, throwing open Taiwan’s borders to hordes of immigrants from a radically different culture. I don’t say she might not wish to; but if she tried it, she’d be lynched by the citizenry. She has, though, found a target for her race-guilt yearnings: Taiwan’s aborigines.

Before the Chinese showed up in the seventeenth century, Taiwan was home to Polynesian peoples speaking languages related to Filipino, Hawaiian, Indonesian, Maori, and the others. Some paleoanthropologists have argued that Taiwan is in fact the original homeland from which all these peoples scattered; but I don’t know the current status of this theory.taiwanaborigines

Once Chinese settlement got going in earnest, the inevitable happened: the aborigines were absorbed, killed, or chased off into the mountains. Actual self-identifying aborigines now number around half a million — one in forty of Taiwan’s population. Many more Taiwanese than that have some aborigine ancestry, though. One of President Tsai’s grandmothers was an aborigine.

So bring on the race guilt! On August 1st this year President Tsai issued a formal apology to the aborigines. The incoming Chinese, she said:

took everything from the first inhabitants who, on the land they have known most intimately, became displaced, foreign, non-mainstream and marginalized.

Marginalized! The lady has plainly made a close study of CultMarx jargon.

One of our tour guides, an admirably cynical and plain-spoken fellow, gave us a politically incorrect (and therefore probably true) angle on the subject.

The government gave them title to land where they live, in the mountains and islands. Developers built villas and retreats for city people, who pay rent to the aborigines. So they don’t have to work, just wait for the rent checks. They sit around all day drinking and getting fat. Their life expectancy is like fifty-five.

I didn’t think to ask if they’ve been given casino licenses.

The shape they’re in
Whatever the situation in aboriginal areas, Taiwan’s cities seem not to have any sensationally obese citizens such as are commonly seen in the U.S.A. Urban Taiwanese for the most part look trim, healthy, and well-dressed.

There are some fat people, though — a thing you didn’t see in 1971. Most are in their teens or twenties. I suppose this is a result of the fast-food culture settling in.

For a visitor from the States, masculinity is noticeable. (Although it is of course wicked to notice.) There is a tough, husky, aggressive variety of Chinese male much more in evidence in the homelands than in the U.S.A. Our immigration system favors the dorkier tail of the Chinese-male masculinity distribution.

I knew this, having spent some of my formative years in Chinese cities among all types, but had forgotten it in my long absence.

I once had a Chinese boss who had served in Taiwan’s equivalent of the Marine Corps. He was one of those still, quiet, scary types who gave the impression that when hungry he might chow down on a brick. His stories about basic training were as hair-raising as anything I’ve heard from Parris Island alumni.

madamewhateverThe Russo-Japanese War of 1904-5 has been blamed on Russian misperceptions of the Japanese character. The story goes that the Tsar’s officer class knew Japan only from reading Pierre Loti’s 1887 bestseller Madame Chrysanthème (the ultimate source for Puccini’s opera Madame Butterfly). Loti’s novel portrays the Japanese as effeminate, comical, and none too bright. The Russians assumed they’d have an easy victory. In the event, they were routed.

False stereotypes can have unhappy consequences.

The persistence of difference
One kind of diversity that counted for a great deal in Taiwan forty-five years ago was the distinction between waisheng (mainland-born) Chinese and neisheng (native-born).

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The waisheng were those who came over from the mainland in Chiang Kai-shek’s baggage train after Chiang lost the civil war to Mao Tse-tung in the late 1940s. It was a hereditary caste: If you were waisheng, your kids were waisheng too. You spoke standard Mandarin Chinese.

The neisheng were the Chinese already here when Chiang arrived, descendants of those who had settled in the three centuries prior. They spoke a thick local dialect called Taiyu. Older educated people could usually speak Japanese, too: Taiwan was a Japanese colony from 1895 to 1945.

A lot of water has flowed under Taiwan’s bridges since I was last here in 1971, when Chiang Kai-shek was still in charge. There have, for example, been three neisheng Presidents (the incumbent Ms Tsai being the third). I’d supposed the waishengneisheng distinction would have faded away altogether by now.

Not so. Mandarin is understood everywhere today, but you still hear a lot of Taiyu, especially in the countryside. (In the Taipei subway system, station stops are announced in four languages: Mandarin, Taiyu, Cantonese, and English.) A peasant can safely be assumed to be neisheng; a senior Civil Servant, though somewhat less safely, to be waisheng.

According to one acquaintance, himself a neisheng, there is even a difference in pronunciation of Mandarin. That language has a u-umlaut vowel, like the one in German Glück or French lune. The neisheng still, after seventy years of compulsory school Mandarin, can’t do it. The actual Chinese word for “Mandarin,” for example, is Guoyu, with an understood umlaut on that last “u.” A neishengsays something like Guoyi, with a short English “i” at the end.

Assimilation isn’t easy, even without race differences in play.

The rewards of ambiguity
The young Saint Augustine asked the Lord to give him chastity and continence, “but not yet” (sed noli modo). Taiwan’s approach to its National Question is Augustinian in that sense.

One of the big two political parties, the KMT, favors union with the mainland — but not yet! The other, the DPP, favors Taiwan becoming an independent nation — but not yet!

Thus the island floats forward in a happy cloud of ambiguity: self-governing, with its own laws, historical narrative, parliament, and military, yet recognized as a nation by almost nobody at all.

(Taiwan even has its own calendar, counting years from the overthrow of the imperial system in 1912 — Year One. In public documents and inscriptions, this is Year 105.)

This cheerful blurring of reality plays into the Chinese love of pretense and deceit, but I don’t suppose it can last for ever. It may not even outlast the present dictator of communist China, Xi Jinping, who is exceptionally aggressive and assertive, although so far mainly against his own domestic political opponents.

The ambiguity has served Taiwan well, though. When I lived here in 1971 Chiang Kai-shek’s government was struggling to hold on to China’s seat on the U.N. Security Council. There were propaganda posters everywhere pressing the case. Everyone assumed that if the Security Council seat was lost, paratroopers of the People’s Liberation Army would be descending from the skies in companies and battalions shortly afterwards.

Well, the seat was lost, in November that year. Seven years later the U.S.A. recognized Communist China. Still the paratroopers did not descend. Instead, a busy, prosperous, and distinctive nation has emerged; except that you’re not supposed to call it a nation.

(I grind my teeth on the word “prosperous” there. With all the diplomatic uncertainty in 1971, people who could sell up and leave Taiwan were doing so. Property prices were at rock bottom. You could buy a nice apartment in Taipei for next to nothing. I should have bought: Taipei property prices nowadays look like phone numbers. Shoulda, coulda, woulda.)

Orthographic reaction
Taiwan has made one concession to mainland culture: When they want to write the words of their language alphabetically, they now use the pinyin system developed by the communists.

They didn’t have much choice. To key Chinese words into a computer or smartphone you need an alphabetic system (or else a keyboard with several thousand keys). Software, including the software that processes your keystrokes, is written for the much bigger mainland market.

Taiwan had its own system of alphabetization — two systems, in fact — but nobody was going to write software for them. Market forces 1, prickly independence 0.

As always in such cases, though — think of British gallons versus American gallons — it never works out quite right. Taiwan pinyin is slightly “off,” like a radio station not tuned right. A big green expressway sign directs you to “Gaosing” — not a legal spelling in mainland pinyin (should be “Gaoxing”).

I’m glad to see, though, that Taiwan is holding on to the elegantly fussy older style of Chinese ideographs, resisting the ugly and stupid simplified characters brought in by the ChiComs. The spirit of orthographic reaction lives on.

De gustibus
I wonder if there has ever in history been a culture as shamelessly gustatory as China’s. When I’m with a group of Chinese friends I tell them I’ve set a stopwatch going to see how long they can sustain a conversation before everyone’s talking about food. The median is I think about one minute.

Here are some of the things I ate at the Shilin Night Market in Taipei: frog eggs, duck tongue, squid mouth, pig blood cake, curry fish balls, stinky bean curd.

Monkey brains, knocked out of the living critter’s head with a golden hammer, seemed not to be available. Given what you hear about the lifestyles of China’s rich and famous, though, I bet it’s just a matter of knowing where to go.

Keeping in with the supernatural
In old China every town had a protecting deity, the cheng-huang-ye. Towns in Taiwan still do: we visited the temple of the town god for Hualian, on the east coast.

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At the risk of offending the city god of Taipei, I have to say that Taiwan’s capital is a charmless place, hard to like. Fatally for a capital city, it has no central landmark: no Eiffel Tower, no Statue of Liberty, no Tower of London, no Kremlin. There is the 101 skyscraper, but it’s a tinny, ugly thing. We didn’t bother to visit.

Taipei has one big minus and one big plus, and they’re both the same thing: It’s surrounded by hills. This is a minus because smog gets trapped in the bowl. With a million auto exhausts exhausting and ninety-five degrees of heat, air quality is not good.

It’s a plus because you’re only a subway ride away from the quiet, leafy hills, with some lovely temples. I especially recommend the Huiji temple in Zhishan Park, which is everything a Chinese temple should be.

Taipei City Hall MRT StationStruggling to find something nice to say to appease the deity, I’ll admit the subway system is one of the better ones, far cleaner and better organized than New York’s (a low bar) or London’s (not much higher). I know that’s not fair. Taipei’s planners could use modern methods and materials; New York’s are stuck with what 1904 bequeathed to them. Still, it’s nice to spend an aggregate hour or so on subway platforms without seeing a single rat.

And the people of Taipei were, I should say, uniformly friendly and helpful. As I said, the Chinese don’t mind foreigners, in sensible quantities.

If it’s nice, likeable cities you’re after though, I recommend Kaohsiung in Taiwan’s southwest. I dimly remember Kaohsiung from 1971 as a gritty, industrial place. There’s still some of that, but today’s Kaohsiung as a whole is clean, spacious, and attractive. Check out Chengqing Park with its beautiful lakes.

There now: I may have ticked off the city god of Taipei, whoever he is (Google no help here), but I have the Kaohsiung guy on my side. You don’t want to vex too many supernatural beings.

You can’t go back
And then, Taroko Gorge. This is a sensational natural feature — a gorge! — in east-central Taiwan, through which Chiang Kai-shek’s government cut a road in the 1950s.

taroko13It was a very scary road indeed in 1971, when I rode along much of it by bus. Looking out the window at a thousand-foot precipice six inches from the bus’s wheels, I recall asking my companion, the student son of a family I had befriended: “Do they lose many buses on this road?” “Not many,” he replied cheerfully.

Now things are more civilized. Earthquakes and typhoon-induced landslides have done their work. Some of the tunnels have collapsed; some stretches of the road can only be traversed with care, at low speed. No longer having the nerves of a 26-year-old, I’m glad.

paintingA sentimental recollection: Back then the bus for some reason would not take us all the way to Tienhsiang, so we walked the last couple of miles. It was fiercely hot, almost hot enough to dim the astonishing glories of the landscape we were walking through, which seemed to me like being in a traditional Chinese painting.

We heard the sound of falling water nearby. Looking over the side of the road, we saw a lovely pool, deep but with perfectly clear water, in a bowl of smooth white rock. The pool was fed by a small waterfall from the precipice above.

We clambered down, stripped off our clothes, and leapt howling into the pool. Water never felt so good. We splashed for a while, then climbed out and sunbathed naked on the rocks.

Yes, I know, it sounds like a gay fantasy. People didn’t think like that in 1971, though. At any rate, we didn’t. It was just glorious relief from the heat, in a stunning landscape.

So as the bus chugged along towards Tienhsiang last week I was looking out for that spot, to see if it had survived the landslides.

I don’t think it had. The best candidate spot was where the original road had been swept away and replaced by the Kind Mother Bridge (慈母橋), a hundred yards further out from the cliff face.

I’m not sure, though. I don’t regret looking; but it’s good to be reminded that you can’t go back, and really shouldn’t try.

The China Problem
Here’s another big universal truth: Some things just don’t scale up.

Is Taiwan actually well-governed? My impression was, not. One must of course make allowance for the partisan preferences of people one is talking to, but President Tsai seems not to command much respect. Kong xin is a common nickname for her; literally “empty heart,” but xin carries something of “mind” as well as “heart.” The idea is that she talks a lot of empty words, with not much sincerity — sincerity being one of the highest Confucian virtues.

Corruption is rampant. Our cynical tour guide, on the two big parties: “Everyone expects the KMT to be corrupt; but when the DPP turns out to be corrupt, people are surprised.” The last DPP President, Chen Shui-bian, was convicted of corruption after stepping down in 2008, although whether he was guilty as charged or the victim of an opposition frame-up remains disputed.

A cab driver in Changhua — where, by the way, we drove down long streets full of stores shuttered and empty on a Monday mid-morning:

Last month I worked 440 hours. There’s no relief. It’s hard to make a living if you don’t have a government job, really hard. Me: Isn’t there a law against working so many hours?

He: Sure there is. Laws are for the rich, though. If I try to sue them, they’ll get lawyers. I can’t afford lawyers. Laws are for people who are rich and connected, not for people like me.

At times like that you remember why labor unions came up. Sure, too many degenerated into feather-bedding and racketeering; and public-sector labor unions are a terrible idea, if not an absolute logical contradiction. Originally, though, labor unions had a purpose and a mission, neither of which was ignoble.

A Chinese friend in Hong Kong introduced us to his daughter, 14 years old and studying at a high school in Ohio. Last summer she attended a chess summer school; now she’s a local chess champion in her state.

That’s a random acquaintance. I could offer a hundred similar anecdotes. Chinese people are so smart — so capable, so energetic, so damn smart. Why can’t they get the hang of rational, honest, consensual government?

As I’ve observed elsewhere, Chinese people who have settled in Anglo-Saxon countries like ours “have attained not only the American dream, but the Chinese dream, the great dream of all Chinese people throughout history: to escape from Chinese government.”

But if Chinese people are so smart and capable, why is Chinese government so crappy?

Why? Because of that big universal truth I started out with: Some things just don’t scale up.

Math Corner.
Just one brief Taiwan-related observation.

Taiwan in late July had an ideal exchange rate. Ideal, I mean, for the math geek.

See, we chronic arithmeticians carry a lot of numbers around in our heads. One of them is the square root of ten: 3.1622777. It follows of course that the square root of one thousand is 31.622777.

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So seeing an exchange rate of 31.62 NT$ to the US$, I knew at once that my mental powers would not be much exercised by currency conversion. Multiplying both sides of the equation by 31.62, one thousand NT$ equals 31.62 US$, to within a few pennies. NT$100 is US$3.16, and so on.

There’s only one number to remember, with due caution over the decimal point.

It’s been a great vacation, arithmetically and in every other way.

(Republished from VDare.com by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Hepp says:

    I’ve met foreign students from Korea and China, and I’ve tried to probe them about their attitudes towards race and gender to see whether they’re actually all that different. As far as I can tell, they are no better than your typical Western college student on these things. These students aren’t representative, but it’s generally the elite who study abroad.

    East Asians followed the West before, with some countries accepting communism and others moving towards democratic capitalism. They’ll probably follow them on the road to Cultural Marxism. There’s probably more hope for China than South Korea, as China is a dictatorship with a leadership that appreciates how dangerous liberalism is.

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    I’ve met foreign students from Korea and China, and I’ve tried to probe them about their attitudes towards race and gender to see whether they’re actually all that different. As far as I can tell, they are no better than your typical Western college student on these things.
     
    I don't know about China, but . . . are you talking to the Korean students in, ah, English? Because Korean attitudes about race, if not gender, are not remotely like the typical Western college student. Korean Americans living in posh suburbs have generally assimilated to the attitudes and hypocrisies of the local Whites, but Korean Koreans tend, in my experience, to be pretty uninhibited in giving their (largely contemptuous) impressions of other races, particularly when talking in Korean. Sometimes in English, though. More than once I've been in the position of telling people "you mustn't say that in English!" Or at least, not in front of outsiders. They do know what Whites usually want to hear though, so that may be what's at work.

    The younger generations may be different, though. The memory of mobs of racist Blacks marching to burn LA Koreatown, and White authorities conspicuously refusing to lift a finger in defense, is old now. It all happened before today's college students were born. And if they were raised in the US, it is all disappeared down the memory hole.
    , @GiantMonkey
    Do you really think that Chinese people would tell you that they think [your race] is inferior to theirs, if they so believed it?
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  2. This is Unz platform or Your Travel magazine?

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    To put it in your question form are you meanspirited or merely incurious? Anyone from a country in which abotiginal pre modern people survive despite the invasion of modern or modernising settlers would surely have to find at least the references to aborigines interesting.
    , @Che Guava
    We are in the depths of summer in the nthn. hemisphere, I found Mr. Unz's choices of an article by a mother determined to bring up a boy as gay or tranny (that was in the background, but concretely expressed, and not good), and the Derb's good travelogue to feature, suits the weather.

    Although the evening in TYO is unusually cool for the tine of year.
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  3. I’m glad to see, though, that Taiwan is holding on to the elegantly fussy older style of Chinese ideographs, resisting the ugly and stupid simplified characters brought in by the ChiComs. The spirit of orthographic reaction lives on.

    How well do mainland Chinese do nowadays at reading that (pre-Communist) “elegantly fussy older style of Chinese ideographs”?

    Orthographic reforms deny a people easy access to their literary and historical heritage. Communist China is not the only instance. Ataturk changed the alphabet used to write the Turkish language from Arabic to Roman; how many Turks today can read the books or documents of the Ottoman period? The Bolsheviks also eliminated several letters of the Cyrillic alphabet as it was used under the Tsars, most notably the yat (Ҍ).

    An average person literate in English experiences no difficulty in reading a century-old document in English, but it appears to me that these orthographic changes make reading a document in one of these languages anywhere from a moderate inconvenience to an insurmountable problem unless the reader has made an effort to learn the old forms. It occurs to me that this was at least in part the intention of the revolutionaries that promulgated the reforms.

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    Not very well. It isn't too hard to learn, though, and many mainland Chinese will pick up a few just out of curiosity. The situation is different from that in Turkey, as Arabic and Roman script are totally dissimilar.
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  4. Priss Factor [AKA "Anonymny"] says: • Website

    Look at this:

    http://time.com/4433043/team-usa-should-pick-ibtihaj-muhammad-as-flagbearer-in-rio/

    Empire needs to show a happy ‘inclusive’ face to justify its power around the world.

    Stalin celebrated the cultures of subject peoples to show that the Soviets were so tolerant and inclusive.

    ‘Inclusion’ is a trick of empire. It means “our inclusion of you means our right to invade and control you.”

    In the Age of the British Empire, Queen Victoria would sit at the table with foreign leaders of subject nations. It was a way of showing that the British Empire wasn’t only about invasion and tyranny but friendship and mutual respect. It as incluuuuuuuusive.

    So, using a Muslim woman in the Olympics isn’t about Muslim takeover of America. It is, ironically enough, a sign of Jewish-controlled America’s takeover of the Middle East.

    And she is just a ‘inclusive’ mascot used to justify US power.

    Old US imperialist poster. Uncle Sam saving Filo girl.

    ‘Inclusion’ as tool of Empire.

    As Jews control the US/West, ‘Inclusion’ has a dual purpose. It gives license for the West to invade and pressure other nations. By showing how ‘inclusive’ the US is, US wears the mantle of ‘human rights’ to dismantle other nations.

    But as ‘inclusion’ also increases non-white population in the West, the Jewish elites can use them against native whites. Make non-white gentiles fight with white gentiles in a divide-and-rule strategy that gives Jews a permanent leg up.

    Inclusiveness is the glue that holds empire together. It is Inclue.

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  5. Priss Factor [AKA "Anonymny"] says: • Website

    Well, cultural marxism allows people to be rich.
    I think that is the appeal.
    You can be rich and righteous at the same time.
    It is separation of purse and politics.
    You can make radical political noises but still get rich as hell. Just ask Mark Zuckerberg and Bill Gates. Super cultural marxists.

    Maoism was economic marxism, and that was bloody frightening for anyone with dough or even just thoughts of dough.

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    ...cultural marxism allows people to be rich.
     
    No it doesn't - capitalism allows people to be rich. Don't confuse a liberal economic system with a repressive social system.
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  6. Great piece!

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  7. peterike says:

    Chinese people are so smart — so capable, so energetic, so damn smart. Why can’t they get the hang of rational, honest, consensual government?

    Because they have limited imaginations and are inherently followers. There’s no “consensual” if the masses are followers and sheep. Just like in the U.S. now, far as that goes.

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  8. Jason Liu says:

    Tsai isn’t a Marxist, I doubt she even knows what that is. Keep in mind that her supporters are mostly Taiwanese nationalists, just like KMT supporters are mostly pan-Chinese nationalists. She says nice sounding things about social issues to sound morally superior. Without the driving impetus of Taiwanese separatism, she would have almost no voters.

    This dual nationalism on both sides prevents Taiwan, and other Asian democracies like South Korea, from sliding into western-style liberal dystopias.

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  9. Jason Liu says:
    @Crawfurdmuir

    I’m glad to see, though, that Taiwan is holding on to the elegantly fussy older style of Chinese ideographs, resisting the ugly and stupid simplified characters brought in by the ChiComs. The spirit of orthographic reaction lives on.
     
    How well do mainland Chinese do nowadays at reading that (pre-Communist) "elegantly fussy older style of Chinese ideographs"?

    Orthographic reforms deny a people easy access to their literary and historical heritage. Communist China is not the only instance. Ataturk changed the alphabet used to write the Turkish language from Arabic to Roman; how many Turks today can read the books or documents of the Ottoman period? The Bolsheviks also eliminated several letters of the Cyrillic alphabet as it was used under the Tsars, most notably the yat (Ҍ).

    An average person literate in English experiences no difficulty in reading a century-old document in English, but it appears to me that these orthographic changes make reading a document in one of these languages anywhere from a moderate inconvenience to an insurmountable problem unless the reader has made an effort to learn the old forms. It occurs to me that this was at least in part the intention of the revolutionaries that promulgated the reforms.

    Not very well. It isn’t too hard to learn, though, and many mainland Chinese will pick up a few just out of curiosity. The situation is different from that in Turkey, as Arabic and Roman script are totally dissimilar.

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  10. Russian Tsar Nicolas II had been to Japan in his youth, and actually been attacked by a Japanese policeman:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%8Ctsu_incident

    Somehow I doubt that he thought of the Japanese as effeminate

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    If the Japanese policeman's swordmanship was better, we would not have to worry about Rasputin, Lenin and all other crap since Nick's less tolerant brother Michael would have become the Czar.
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  11. Relations between Taiwan’s Chinese and aborigines are about as good as they can be. In the Qing dynasty, Chinese were forbidden to go into the mountains and this physical seperation continues today. Aborigines sometimes come down to work in factories. If the economy declines they go back to their ancestral village and grow bananas. Their communities are much more functional than those of Australian aborigines.
    The Chinese visit aboriginal areas as tourists, spend lots of money, then go home. They subsidize the aboriginal lifestyle through taxes so they can point to them and say, see? Taiwan’s not Chinese.
    Three is some resentment on both sides but not nearly as much as you’d normally find in two different groups trying to live together.
    Good fences make good neighbours.

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  12. Immigrant from former USSR [AKA "Florida Resident"] says:

    Welcome back, Mr. D. !

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  13. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Tsar Nicholas II was usually only aware of what his immediate ministers and his brother told him. The Russian bureaucracy was truly a charlie foxtrot of infinite density.

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  14. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Tsai could never go full Angela Merkel, throwing open Taiwan’s borders to hordes of immigrants from a radically different culture. I don’t say she might not wish to; but if she tried it, she’d be lynched by the citizenry.

    And that is why, by contrast, it seems to me, we in the West deserve what our leaders are preparing for us.

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  15. TheBoom says:

    I live in Taipei and overall Derb nailed the place. Only things I don’t think he got right are:

    -Men are not macho. Younger men are becoming more androgynous at least in Taipei. Mainland is different.

    -Cultural Marxism isn’t alive here. Chinese give lip service to diversity but that means that they bring over a token number of Chinese from HK, Singapore or (if really wild) Malaysia. Chinese (even the women) are proud of their culture and have nothing to gain socially by supporting ethnic and cultural cleansing.

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    Chinese (even the women) are proud of their culture and have nothing to gain socially by supporting ethnic and cultural cleansing.
     
    That's because the dominant culture as dictated by the men is one where strong nationalism is valued. Therefore it would be detrimental for women to go against the grain, as that would immediately make her a social pariah to a great many, and that's what females fear most of all and thus the real reason they appear to be proud of their culture and people. In other words, it's a second degree effect, not innate.

    If the dominant culture morphs into one of social liberalism akin to those seen in present day western Europe, then you can bet your ass the females would start virtue signalling their tolerance and moral righteousness in the name of diversity.
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  16. So seeing an exchange rate of 31.62 NT$ to the US$, I knew at once that my mental powers would not be much exercised by currency conversion. Multiplying both sides of the equation by 31.62, one thousand NT$ equals 31.62 US$, to within a few pennies. NT$100 is US$3.16, and so on.
    There’s only one number to remember, with due caution over the decimal point.

    I don’t see the point; how does the fact the exchange rate reminds you of sqrt(10) make anything easier? That is, other than that you don’t have to remember the exchange rate…but that’s just one number to remember.

    Let me tell you something I think is a lot cooler. In Israel, the exchange rate between the Shekel and the US Dollar is the same as the exchange rate between liters and gallons — about 3.8. And so, when I need to refuel my rental car in Israel, I can know how much I’m paying in American terms without doing any math whatsoever: Dollars/gallon ≅ Shekels/liter. (If we wanted to get technical about it, we could call that the Israeli Gasoline Invariance Principle, IGIP.)

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    "I don’t see the point; how does the fact the exchange rate reminds you of sqrt(10) make anything easier?"

    It means that the exchange rate is the same number BOTH ways, USD to T and T to USD!
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  17. I was shocked when I saw the Taiwanese apology. Until now I had only seen national apologies from the leaders of Anglophone or European countries.

    It’s just Christianity spreading its tentacles across the world, in disguise this time. The liberal obsession with national apologies is basically about making every country in the world have a sense of original sin, that they’re all sinners, and that they need salvation by taking refuge in the redeeming embrace of CultMarxism (aka secularized Christianity).

    Disgusting.

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    "...It’s just Christianity spreading its tentacles across the world, in disguise this time. The liberal obsession with national apologies is basically about making every country in the world have a sense of original sin, that they’re all sinners, and that they need salvation by taking refuge in the redeeming embrace of CultMarxism (aka secularized Christianity)"


    .Christians believe in the saving grace of Christs' blood sacrifice on the cross; which is sufficient for all who sincerely repent of mankind's innate lust for power [ original sin=the consequences of The Fall- spiritual death/separation from God ]

    I think you mean nationalized Christianity...
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  18. Erm… 外省人 means people from out of state. It doesn’t mean people born outside of Taiwan. Its a Taiwanese term. Anywhere else you would say 外地人 (people from other places).

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    In Taiwan 外省人 means somebody from the mainland, despite the literal meaning of "outside province person." It is used in Taiwan to describe not only those born on the Mainland, but also their descendants.
    , @Che Guava
    外省人 also clearly refers to people from other provinces, and by implication, not from outside China.

    A literal translation would be 'other-province person', less literal 'person from a different province', not any of the alternatives spouted in this part of the thread. People from mainland China.

    Derb, your travelogue almost matches some of Linh Dinh's here, but lacks the human element.

    I like the way HK and the Republic of China (Taiwan) have retained the old orthography, I can read a lot. Can understand most of the simplified radicals in the mainland script, but the other parts of the characters, not so much at times.

    Used to study it, but it is illogical, other things to do.
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  19. Binyamin says:

    Mr. Derbyshire, may I call you John? I wonder how you ended up being a race realist and a white nationalist? In your previous incarnation, you used to write excellent popular books on Mathematics. I read and thoroughly enjoyed your book ‘The Prime Obsession’. This is the only book which provided me with (an albeit rudimentary) knowledge of Riemann Zeta Function. I lost my original copy and reread it line by line several years later, having ordered my second copy from Amazon. If you had carried on writing popular Maths books which are as good as ‘The Prime Obsession’ you might have become one of America’s premier science writer. Something happened inside you and you gave up the lucrative world of science writing and joined the crowed of those whose heart is filled with hate- the white supremacists . I know, I know, you would say you are a race realist but to me (and most decent people I know) there is a thin line separating race realism, white nationalism and white supremacy. It is funny how many white nationalists currently in US are immigrants like yourself or even recent immigrants (many from Eastern Europe) and none of you lot seem to notice the irony.

    Fortunately anyone can be redeemed. You are a mathematician hence trained to think logically. Therefore it will be great if you can see the light and realize that since 99.99% of humanity share the same genetic makeup there is no fundamental difference between the races. Race is a social and cultural construct and yes, culture is important. How else can you explain that a ‘white’ person born in southern Greece or Italy is often of darker complexion than the average North Indian or Central Asian.

    It would be great if you can write another popular Maths book and I have a suggestion for you. I have been researching Ramanujan, the self taught Indian Maths genius and have felt the only popular book ever written about him- ‘The Man Who Knew Infinity’ is inadequate. How about writing a book or even a series of articles about Ramanujan? Even if this means going to South India and getting to know the culture and way of life of a dark skinned people. Perhaps it might even redeem you.

    In case you are wondering, no I am not a Cultural Marxist (whatever that might mean). I am a libertarian of conservative leaning.

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    I skip all your comments about "race is social construct" and "99.99% of humanity share the same genetic makeup there is no fundamental difference between the races".

    History of mathematics books by Derbyshire:
    for some reason I actually like better his "Unknown quantity: A Real and Imaginary History of Algebra"
    https://www.amazon.com/Quantity-Imaginary-History-Derbyshire-Paperback/dp/B00BT030RA/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1470402436
    , @5371
    [It is funny how many white nationalists currently in US are immigrants like yourself or even recent immigrants (many from Eastern Europe) and none of you lot seem to notice the irony.]

    Your understanding of the concept of irony seems as shaky as that of Alanis Morissette. I am not aware of any occasion on which Derbyshire opposed white immigration to the US, are you?

    [99.99% of humanity share the same genetic makeup]

    A statement of no discernible meaning.

    [a ‘white’ person born in southern Greece or Italy is often of darker complexion than the average North Indian or Central Asian.]

    False. You have to judge by the colour of the skin under the armpits.

    [I am a libertarian]

    I believe you.
    , @DB Cooper
    ". . . since 99.99% of humanity share the same genetic makeup there is no fundamental difference between the races."

    I think you mean humanity share 99.9% of the same genetic makeup and therefore there is no fundamental difference between the races.

    Well humans and bananas shared 50% of the genetic makeup do you think a banana is half a human?
    , @random observer
    Please do more homework.

    Derb has been commenting along somewhat similar lines in the 17 or so years I've been reading him [wow- has it been that long?], which includes the entire time he has also been a math writer.

    I think there has been a slight WN shift in that time in his writing, but it's seemed more an evolution of focus in response to outside context than any great change. You may take note that his actual attitude isn't exactly WN and he has no apparent animus toward other races or even mixing within a country within limits, and certainly not at the individual level, as well he might not. That seems all very civil and reasonable and able to accommodate common humanity as well as the improved understandings of hbd over the last 15 years.

    I imagine he might still have the same attitude on that personal level that drove his response to one Mr Schmidt many years ago.
    , @utu
    " how [he] ended up being a race realist and a white nationalist? - probably did not get tenure
    , @Curle

    since 99.99% of humanity share the same genetic makeup there is no fundamental difference between the races.
     
    The following may help clear up some of your confusion on this point.

    http://www.unz.com/gnxp/r-a-fisher-on-race-and-human-genetic-variation/
    , @Wizard of Oz
    See $104 and #105
    , @GiantMonkey
    The ultimate answer is that there is this thing called heritage, and it is extremely important to Derb, just like it is important to the Chinese. Are you going to tell the Chinese people that all people are the same as them, and that they should commit genocide against themselves through mass immigration in order to not commit a sin of unfairness and "irrationality?"

    Many of your arguments are picked apart by others, but let's have real talk. Race and human cultures are part myth, part science. That is okay. Our emotions did not evolve to be logic. And if we are to be happy, fulfilled people, we had better act in line with our emotional nature.
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  20. > In the Taipei subway system, station stops are announced
    > in four languages: Mandarin, Taiyu, Cantonese, and English.

    Not Cantonese, Hakka

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hakka_Chinese

    https://guidetotaipei.com/article/taipei-mrt-rapid-transit-subway-%E5%8F%B0%E5%8C%97%E6%8D%B7%E9%81%8B

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  21. Also, the part about pinyin in “Orthographic reaction” is inaccurate, if anyone cares…

    Taiwan does have its own flavor of pinyin, Tongyong Pinyin, which is still mixed with regular mainland-style pinyin and random approximations in public signage and romanized names.

    But Taiwanese people don’t care much about “alphabetic systems” for writing Chinese, and are often quite ignorant of pinyin. The syllabic zhuyin, aka bopomofo ㄅㄆㄇㄈ, is as far as I know still widely used in Taiwanese schools, and is commonly used as a way to write Chinese on a computer or a phone.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bopomofo#Computer_uses

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    > Taiwan does have its own flavor of pinyin, Tongyong Pinyin,
    > which is still mixed with regular mainland-style pinyin
    > and random approximations in public signage and romanized names.

    To be more complete (and utterly boring to most, sorry), Taiwan mixes Tongyong Pinyin with regular mainland-style pinyin, the older Wade-Giles notation, and random approximations in public signage and romanized names. The profusion of orthographies is incredibly confusing to foreigners. But it doesn't matter to the immense majority of Taiwanese.

    I've also heard that which romanization method is used can depend on which party is in power in a municipality. KMT favors pinyin (standard, mainland-compatible) and mandarin, while DPP favors more allegedly local variants romanizations, and Taiyu pronunciations. But really 99% of people have no clue about these subtleties, since they just use Chinese characters, and pronounce them in different ways according to which dialect they use (mandarin, taiyu, hakka, ...).

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  22. Immigrant from former USSR [AKA "Florida residemt"] says:
    @Binyamin
    Mr. Derbyshire, may I call you John? I wonder how you ended up being a race realist and a white nationalist? In your previous incarnation, you used to write excellent popular books on Mathematics. I read and thoroughly enjoyed your book 'The Prime Obsession'. This is the only book which provided me with (an albeit rudimentary) knowledge of Riemann Zeta Function. I lost my original copy and reread it line by line several years later, having ordered my second copy from Amazon. If you had carried on writing popular Maths books which are as good as 'The Prime Obsession' you might have become one of America's premier science writer. Something happened inside you and you gave up the lucrative world of science writing and joined the crowed of those whose heart is filled with hate- the white supremacists . I know, I know, you would say you are a race realist but to me (and most decent people I know) there is a thin line separating race realism, white nationalism and white supremacy. It is funny how many white nationalists currently in US are immigrants like yourself or even recent immigrants (many from Eastern Europe) and none of you lot seem to notice the irony.

    Fortunately anyone can be redeemed. You are a mathematician hence trained to think logically. Therefore it will be great if you can see the light and realize that since 99.99% of humanity share the same genetic makeup there is no fundamental difference between the races. Race is a social and cultural construct and yes, culture is important. How else can you explain that a 'white' person born in southern Greece or Italy is often of darker complexion than the average North Indian or Central Asian.

    It would be great if you can write another popular Maths book and I have a suggestion for you. I have been researching Ramanujan, the self taught Indian Maths genius and have felt the only popular book ever written about him- 'The Man Who Knew Infinity' is inadequate. How about writing a book or even a series of articles about Ramanujan? Even if this means going to South India and getting to know the culture and way of life of a dark skinned people. Perhaps it might even redeem you.

    In case you are wondering, no I am not a Cultural Marxist (whatever that might mean). I am a libertarian of conservative leaning.

    I skip all your comments about “race is social construct” and “99.99% of humanity share the same genetic makeup there is no fundamental difference between the races”.

    History of mathematics books by Derbyshire:
    for some reason I actually like better his “Unknown quantity: A Real and Imaginary History of Algebra”

    https://www.amazon.com/Quantity-Imaginary-History-Derbyshire-Paperback/dp/B00BT030RA/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1470402436

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  23. 5371 says:
    @Binyamin
    Mr. Derbyshire, may I call you John? I wonder how you ended up being a race realist and a white nationalist? In your previous incarnation, you used to write excellent popular books on Mathematics. I read and thoroughly enjoyed your book 'The Prime Obsession'. This is the only book which provided me with (an albeit rudimentary) knowledge of Riemann Zeta Function. I lost my original copy and reread it line by line several years later, having ordered my second copy from Amazon. If you had carried on writing popular Maths books which are as good as 'The Prime Obsession' you might have become one of America's premier science writer. Something happened inside you and you gave up the lucrative world of science writing and joined the crowed of those whose heart is filled with hate- the white supremacists . I know, I know, you would say you are a race realist but to me (and most decent people I know) there is a thin line separating race realism, white nationalism and white supremacy. It is funny how many white nationalists currently in US are immigrants like yourself or even recent immigrants (many from Eastern Europe) and none of you lot seem to notice the irony.

    Fortunately anyone can be redeemed. You are a mathematician hence trained to think logically. Therefore it will be great if you can see the light and realize that since 99.99% of humanity share the same genetic makeup there is no fundamental difference between the races. Race is a social and cultural construct and yes, culture is important. How else can you explain that a 'white' person born in southern Greece or Italy is often of darker complexion than the average North Indian or Central Asian.

    It would be great if you can write another popular Maths book and I have a suggestion for you. I have been researching Ramanujan, the self taught Indian Maths genius and have felt the only popular book ever written about him- 'The Man Who Knew Infinity' is inadequate. How about writing a book or even a series of articles about Ramanujan? Even if this means going to South India and getting to know the culture and way of life of a dark skinned people. Perhaps it might even redeem you.

    In case you are wondering, no I am not a Cultural Marxist (whatever that might mean). I am a libertarian of conservative leaning.

    [It is funny how many white nationalists currently in US are immigrants like yourself or even recent immigrants (many from Eastern Europe) and none of you lot seem to notice the irony.]

    Your understanding of the concept of irony seems as shaky as that of Alanis Morissette. I am not aware of any occasion on which Derbyshire opposed white immigration to the US, are you?

    [99.99% of humanity share the same genetic makeup]

    A statement of no discernible meaning.

    [a ‘white’ person born in southern Greece or Italy is often of darker complexion than the average North Indian or Central Asian.]

    False. You have to judge by the colour of the skin under the armpits.

    [I am a libertarian]

    I believe you.

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  24. Priss Factor [AKA "Anonymny"] says: • Website
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    Your post is way off-topic, but I can't resist a reply.

    Shoddy accomodations, toxic-virus-filled waters outside the swimming pools for acquatic events, lots of thefts, a few (few?) assaults. They wil continue. Yet this rancid self-parody suddenly becomes immune to any critism once the opening ceremony starts.

    I haven't watched more than a few seconds since Pekin, the British opening ceremony sounded so horrid that I am glad I did not subject my brain to that violation.

    Watched nothing, except for a little gymnastics, and rhythmic gym.

    More from Sochi, but not much, and very selective.

    If they are so determined to make men and women play the same sports (women's Rugby, a joke, with few participants in the world), why are there no events for men's synchro swimming, a hideous event, even for the women taking part, they have to wear waterproof drag-queen makeup, and beam a smile every time they surface to get points.

    Likewise with rhythmic gym. if a very small number of dykey or just plain fat women have to have a poor excuse for an Olympic sport in women's rugby, why is there no men's rhythmic gym. Sure, I'd rather not see it, but that also applies to women's rugby.
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  25. Truth says:

    Chinese don’t mind foreigners. They even occasionally marry them. Still they would never be such bloody fools as to invite foreign settlement in numbers so great as to demographically challenge the native stock.

    (Wink).

    but the Chinese dream, the great dream of all Chinese people throughout history: to escape from Chinese government.”

    So let me see if I understand this; the Chinese are smart enough not to invite in Mexicans, Muslims and Knee-Grows, but their lifelong dream is to live amongst Mexicans, Muslims and Knee-Grows?

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    [the great dream of all Chinese people throughout history: to escape from Chinese government]

    It seems like a dream that remarkably few of them - compared to their total numbers - ever try to turn into reality.
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  26. 5371 says:
    @Truth

    Chinese don’t mind foreigners. They even occasionally marry them. Still they would never be such bloody fools as to invite foreign settlement in numbers so great as to demographically challenge the native stock.
     
    (Wink).


    but the Chinese dream, the great dream of all Chinese people throughout history: to escape from Chinese government.”
     
    So let me see if I understand this; the Chinese are smart enough not to invite in Mexicans, Muslims and Knee-Grows, but their lifelong dream is to live amongst Mexicans, Muslims and Knee-Grows?

    [the great dream of all Chinese people throughout history: to escape from Chinese government]

    It seems like a dream that remarkably few of them – compared to their total numbers – ever try to turn into reality.

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  27. Walt says:

    That stinky bean curd is the worst, foulest thing on the planet.

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  28. woodNfish says:
    @Priss Factor
    Well, cultural marxism allows people to be rich.
    I think that is the appeal.
    You can be rich and righteous at the same time.
    It is separation of purse and politics.
    You can make radical political noises but still get rich as hell. Just ask Mark Zuckerberg and Bill Gates. Super cultural marxists.

    Maoism was economic marxism, and that was bloody frightening for anyone with dough or even just thoughts of dough.

    …cultural marxism allows people to be rich.

    No it doesn’t – capitalism allows people to be rich. Don’t confuse a liberal economic system with a repressive social system.

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    You misunderstand me.

    I didn't say Cultural Marxism MAKES people rich.

    I said it allows or permits them to be rich.

    Real Marxism or Communism banned capitalism. It didn't permit anyone to become rich.

    The appeal of Cultural Marxism is it tolerates and allows people to get rich.
    And it leaves the rich alone if the rich fund their agenda. It's like The Nation magazine praised Wall Street and big corporations for funding Homomania.

    And what do the rich get from Cultural Marxism? A sense of moral righteousness since ideological trends are set by the Progs. In our age, you are deemed more righteous and virtuous if you worship the holy homo anus than God or Jesus.
    So, you can be a billionaire and fund cultural marxism and be hailed as a 'progressive'. Notice how the Progs almost never go after George Soros and Warren Buffett. And they've eased on Bill Gates ever since he's become one of the main funders of proggy causes.

    Also, progs would rather be cultural marxists than economic marxists. In an economic marxist society, the progs must manage the economy and fix all the problems and ensure enough food and housing and medicine for everyone. That's a lot of work, a lot of burden. The soviet elites got tired of it. They had to manage over the entire economy and provide basic services to everyone.

    But as cultural marxists, they can leave the economy to the capitalists who produce lots of stuff and pay taxes that is taken by the government run by progs. Also, the capitalists fund all sorts of institutions and NGO's where progs can find work and glob-trot as cocktail sipping intellectuals, artists, thinkers, advisers, scholars, activists, and etc. They can play 'radical', 'revolutionary', or 'progressive' without bothering with the hardwork of running and managing an economy. Playing at helping and saving the world is a helluva lot more fun than actually running and managing it.
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  29. woodNfish says:

    …if Chinese people are so smart and capable, why is Chinese government so crappy?

    The same can be said of our own corrupt government.

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    The same can be said of our own corrupt government.
     
    Or even more so...

    http://www.unz.com/article/chinas-rise-americas-fall/

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  30. Marty says:

    Dear Mr. Derbyshire:

    In that 2013 article you allude to, you say “Orwell was deeply strange.” I’m sure it would be the best thing I read this year if you could do a piece elaborating on what you mean. Thanks.

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  31. DB Cooper says:
    @Binyamin
    Mr. Derbyshire, may I call you John? I wonder how you ended up being a race realist and a white nationalist? In your previous incarnation, you used to write excellent popular books on Mathematics. I read and thoroughly enjoyed your book 'The Prime Obsession'. This is the only book which provided me with (an albeit rudimentary) knowledge of Riemann Zeta Function. I lost my original copy and reread it line by line several years later, having ordered my second copy from Amazon. If you had carried on writing popular Maths books which are as good as 'The Prime Obsession' you might have become one of America's premier science writer. Something happened inside you and you gave up the lucrative world of science writing and joined the crowed of those whose heart is filled with hate- the white supremacists . I know, I know, you would say you are a race realist but to me (and most decent people I know) there is a thin line separating race realism, white nationalism and white supremacy. It is funny how many white nationalists currently in US are immigrants like yourself or even recent immigrants (many from Eastern Europe) and none of you lot seem to notice the irony.

    Fortunately anyone can be redeemed. You are a mathematician hence trained to think logically. Therefore it will be great if you can see the light and realize that since 99.99% of humanity share the same genetic makeup there is no fundamental difference between the races. Race is a social and cultural construct and yes, culture is important. How else can you explain that a 'white' person born in southern Greece or Italy is often of darker complexion than the average North Indian or Central Asian.

    It would be great if you can write another popular Maths book and I have a suggestion for you. I have been researching Ramanujan, the self taught Indian Maths genius and have felt the only popular book ever written about him- 'The Man Who Knew Infinity' is inadequate. How about writing a book or even a series of articles about Ramanujan? Even if this means going to South India and getting to know the culture and way of life of a dark skinned people. Perhaps it might even redeem you.

    In case you are wondering, no I am not a Cultural Marxist (whatever that might mean). I am a libertarian of conservative leaning.

    “. . . since 99.99% of humanity share the same genetic makeup there is no fundamental difference between the races.”

    I think you mean humanity share 99.9% of the same genetic makeup and therefore there is no fundamental difference between the races.

    Well humans and bananas shared 50% of the genetic makeup do you think a banana is half a human?

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    "Well humans and bananas shared 50% of the genetic makeup do you think a banana is half a human?"

    This issue was addressed in the past by John Derbyshire himself:

    The BBC reports that 75 percent of our genetic makeup is the same as that of the common pumpkin. Presumably this is why the word “pumpkin” ends with “kin.” But wait — what is that fluttering of gossamer wings I hear! Why, it’s the Muse…
    Lines in Appreciation of Genetic Propinquity by John Derbyshire
    A certain young hillbilly bumpkin
    Was caught having sex with a pumpkin.
    When arrested he swore:
    “What’s all this fuss for?
    Where I’m from, it’s okay to hump kin!”

    Source: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/82353/down-pumpkin-patch-john-derbyshire
    , @Priss Factor
    “. . . since 99.99% of humanity share the same genetic makeup there is no fundamental difference between the races.”

    So, if one race produces a lot of people like Mike Tyson who can knock people out with one punch and if another race produces a lot of people like Einstein who can figure out the way of the cosmos, there are no differences between the races.

    Sure.

    But me thinks a society with a lot of tysons will be different from one with lots of einsteins.
    , @Bu'bha al-Teksani
    I know two or three women that are at least half bananas.
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  32. @DB Cooper
    ". . . since 99.99% of humanity share the same genetic makeup there is no fundamental difference between the races."

    I think you mean humanity share 99.9% of the same genetic makeup and therefore there is no fundamental difference between the races.

    Well humans and bananas shared 50% of the genetic makeup do you think a banana is half a human?

    “Well humans and bananas shared 50% of the genetic makeup do you think a banana is half a human?”

    This issue was addressed in the past by John Derbyshire himself:

    The BBC reports that 75 percent of our genetic makeup is the same as that of the common pumpkin. Presumably this is why the word “pumpkin” ends with “kin.” But wait — what is that fluttering of gossamer wings I hear! Why, it’s the Muse…
    Lines in Appreciation of Genetic Propinquity by John Derbyshire
    A certain young hillbilly bumpkin
    Was caught having sex with a pumpkin.
    When arrested he swore:
    “What’s all this fuss for?
    Where I’m from, it’s okay to hump kin!”

    Source: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/82353/down-pumpkin-patch-john-derbyshire

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    Don't broadcast it: I've been handing out JD's head to head contest entry with Robert Conquest (worthy of that anyway) for years on a one to one basis.
    , @Clyde
    How witty is this from the so called Derbyshire!! I guessed 2004 and I was right.
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  33. You come across a round-eye occasionally — so occasionally that you stare at each other for a couple of beats, then look away in embarrassment.

    I had similar experiences thirty years ago on a set of business trips to Kingston, Jamaica.

    Back in grad school I dated an attractive, exotic classmate from Taiwan. She wanted to experience America and American men; though she ended up marrying a German Deutsche Bank banker.

    Also, back in grad school, I noticed some serious tension between the mainland Chinese students and the Taiwanese students. The Taiwanese students spoke far better English, were more outgoing and approachable, and comfortable around the American students and with American culture.

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    I know about the tension. My Taiwanese friends were telling me about political conversations they had with Mainlanders or overheard among Mainlanders and were irked by (or just pretended to be irked for my benefit) the tone of suprematism and revanchism. The latter was anti western chiefly anti American and British stemming from Opium Wars.
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  34. Priss Factor [AKA "Anonymny"] says: • Website
    @woodNfish

    ...cultural marxism allows people to be rich.
     
    No it doesn't - capitalism allows people to be rich. Don't confuse a liberal economic system with a repressive social system.

    You misunderstand me.

    I didn’t say Cultural Marxism MAKES people rich.

    I said it allows or permits them to be rich.

    Real Marxism or Communism banned capitalism. It didn’t permit anyone to become rich.

    The appeal of Cultural Marxism is it tolerates and allows people to get rich.
    And it leaves the rich alone if the rich fund their agenda. It’s like The Nation magazine praised Wall Street and big corporations for funding Homomania.

    And what do the rich get from Cultural Marxism? A sense of moral righteousness since ideological trends are set by the Progs. In our age, you are deemed more righteous and virtuous if you worship the holy homo anus than God or Jesus.
    So, you can be a billionaire and fund cultural marxism and be hailed as a ‘progressive’. Notice how the Progs almost never go after George Soros and Warren Buffett. And they’ve eased on Bill Gates ever since he’s become one of the main funders of proggy causes.

    Also, progs would rather be cultural marxists than economic marxists. In an economic marxist society, the progs must manage the economy and fix all the problems and ensure enough food and housing and medicine for everyone. That’s a lot of work, a lot of burden. The soviet elites got tired of it. They had to manage over the entire economy and provide basic services to everyone.

    But as cultural marxists, they can leave the economy to the capitalists who produce lots of stuff and pay taxes that is taken by the government run by progs. Also, the capitalists fund all sorts of institutions and NGO’s where progs can find work and glob-trot as cocktail sipping intellectuals, artists, thinkers, advisers, scholars, activists, and etc. They can play ‘radical’, ‘revolutionary’, or ‘progressive’ without bothering with the hardwork of running and managing an economy. Playing at helping and saving the world is a helluva lot more fun than actually running and managing it.

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    Okay, but what you are calling cultural marxism is nothing more than fascism given a new name, like corporatism. It's still fascism, and it is what the US is today. Obama is a fascist and the DNC is a fascist party.
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  35. Priss Factor [AKA "Anonymny"] says: • Website
    @DB Cooper
    ". . . since 99.99% of humanity share the same genetic makeup there is no fundamental difference between the races."

    I think you mean humanity share 99.9% of the same genetic makeup and therefore there is no fundamental difference between the races.

    Well humans and bananas shared 50% of the genetic makeup do you think a banana is half a human?

    “. . . since 99.99% of humanity share the same genetic makeup there is no fundamental difference between the races.”

    So, if one race produces a lot of people like Mike Tyson who can knock people out with one punch and if another race produces a lot of people like Einstein who can figure out the way of the cosmos, there are no differences between the races.

    Sure.

    But me thinks a society with a lot of tysons will be different from one with lots of einsteins.

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  36. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
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    I've met foreign students from Korea and China, and I've tried to probe them about their attitudes towards race and gender to see whether they're actually all that different. As far as I can tell, they are no better than your typical Western college student on these things. These students aren't representative, but it's generally the elite who study abroad.

    East Asians followed the West before, with some countries accepting communism and others moving towards democratic capitalism. They'll probably follow them on the road to Cultural Marxism. There's probably more hope for China than South Korea, as China is a dictatorship with a leadership that appreciates how dangerous liberalism is.

    I’ve met foreign students from Korea and China, and I’ve tried to probe them about their attitudes towards race and gender to see whether they’re actually all that different. As far as I can tell, they are no better than your typical Western college student on these things.

    I don’t know about China, but . . . are you talking to the Korean students in, ah, English? Because Korean attitudes about race, if not gender, are not remotely like the typical Western college student. Korean Americans living in posh suburbs have generally assimilated to the attitudes and hypocrisies of the local Whites, but Korean Koreans tend, in my experience, to be pretty uninhibited in giving their (largely contemptuous) impressions of other races, particularly when talking in Korean. Sometimes in English, though. More than once I’ve been in the position of telling people “you mustn’t say that in English!” Or at least, not in front of outsiders. They do know what Whites usually want to hear though, so that may be what’s at work.

    The younger generations may be different, though. The memory of mobs of racist Blacks marching to burn LA Koreatown, and White authorities conspicuously refusing to lift a finger in defense, is old now. It all happened before today’s college students were born. And if they were raised in the US, it is all disappeared down the memory hole.

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  37. Ash says:
    @Myra Esoteric
    Erm... 外省人 means people from out of state. It doesn't mean people born outside of Taiwan. Its a Taiwanese term. Anywhere else you would say 外地人 (people from other places).

    In Taiwan 外省人 means somebody from the mainland, despite the literal meaning of “outside province person.” It is used in Taiwan to describe not only those born on the Mainland, but also their descendants.

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    I was correcting Derb on his belief that it meant "people (born) outside tw". I mean people who are actually local-locals from any place in China would say the same thing (外地人) about people whose families are from other places.

    Real, old school locals won't see you as one of them if your family has been in the area like, less than 100 years. Even some people in major cities are like that.
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  38. ash says:

    Pinyin for the city is Gaoxiong not Gaoxing.

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  39. woodNfish says:
    @Priss Factor
    You misunderstand me.

    I didn't say Cultural Marxism MAKES people rich.

    I said it allows or permits them to be rich.

    Real Marxism or Communism banned capitalism. It didn't permit anyone to become rich.

    The appeal of Cultural Marxism is it tolerates and allows people to get rich.
    And it leaves the rich alone if the rich fund their agenda. It's like The Nation magazine praised Wall Street and big corporations for funding Homomania.

    And what do the rich get from Cultural Marxism? A sense of moral righteousness since ideological trends are set by the Progs. In our age, you are deemed more righteous and virtuous if you worship the holy homo anus than God or Jesus.
    So, you can be a billionaire and fund cultural marxism and be hailed as a 'progressive'. Notice how the Progs almost never go after George Soros and Warren Buffett. And they've eased on Bill Gates ever since he's become one of the main funders of proggy causes.

    Also, progs would rather be cultural marxists than economic marxists. In an economic marxist society, the progs must manage the economy and fix all the problems and ensure enough food and housing and medicine for everyone. That's a lot of work, a lot of burden. The soviet elites got tired of it. They had to manage over the entire economy and provide basic services to everyone.

    But as cultural marxists, they can leave the economy to the capitalists who produce lots of stuff and pay taxes that is taken by the government run by progs. Also, the capitalists fund all sorts of institutions and NGO's where progs can find work and glob-trot as cocktail sipping intellectuals, artists, thinkers, advisers, scholars, activists, and etc. They can play 'radical', 'revolutionary', or 'progressive' without bothering with the hardwork of running and managing an economy. Playing at helping and saving the world is a helluva lot more fun than actually running and managing it.

    Okay, but what you are calling cultural marxism is nothing more than fascism given a new name, like corporatism. It’s still fascism, and it is what the US is today. Obama is a fascist and the DNC is a fascist party.

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    No no no, I'm the only true fascist.
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  40. Priss Factor [AKA "Anonymny"] says: • Website
    @woodNfish
    Okay, but what you are calling cultural marxism is nothing more than fascism given a new name, like corporatism. It's still fascism, and it is what the US is today. Obama is a fascist and the DNC is a fascist party.

    No no no, I’m the only true fascist.

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  41. @Binyamin
    Mr. Derbyshire, may I call you John? I wonder how you ended up being a race realist and a white nationalist? In your previous incarnation, you used to write excellent popular books on Mathematics. I read and thoroughly enjoyed your book 'The Prime Obsession'. This is the only book which provided me with (an albeit rudimentary) knowledge of Riemann Zeta Function. I lost my original copy and reread it line by line several years later, having ordered my second copy from Amazon. If you had carried on writing popular Maths books which are as good as 'The Prime Obsession' you might have become one of America's premier science writer. Something happened inside you and you gave up the lucrative world of science writing and joined the crowed of those whose heart is filled with hate- the white supremacists . I know, I know, you would say you are a race realist but to me (and most decent people I know) there is a thin line separating race realism, white nationalism and white supremacy. It is funny how many white nationalists currently in US are immigrants like yourself or even recent immigrants (many from Eastern Europe) and none of you lot seem to notice the irony.

    Fortunately anyone can be redeemed. You are a mathematician hence trained to think logically. Therefore it will be great if you can see the light and realize that since 99.99% of humanity share the same genetic makeup there is no fundamental difference between the races. Race is a social and cultural construct and yes, culture is important. How else can you explain that a 'white' person born in southern Greece or Italy is often of darker complexion than the average North Indian or Central Asian.

    It would be great if you can write another popular Maths book and I have a suggestion for you. I have been researching Ramanujan, the self taught Indian Maths genius and have felt the only popular book ever written about him- 'The Man Who Knew Infinity' is inadequate. How about writing a book or even a series of articles about Ramanujan? Even if this means going to South India and getting to know the culture and way of life of a dark skinned people. Perhaps it might even redeem you.

    In case you are wondering, no I am not a Cultural Marxist (whatever that might mean). I am a libertarian of conservative leaning.

    Please do more homework.

    Derb has been commenting along somewhat similar lines in the 17 or so years I’ve been reading him [wow- has it been that long?], which includes the entire time he has also been a math writer.

    I think there has been a slight WN shift in that time in his writing, but it’s seemed more an evolution of focus in response to outside context than any great change. You may take note that his actual attitude isn’t exactly WN and he has no apparent animus toward other races or even mixing within a country within limits, and certainly not at the individual level, as well he might not. That seems all very civil and reasonable and able to accommodate common humanity as well as the improved understandings of hbd over the last 15 years.

    I imagine he might still have the same attitude on that personal level that drove his response to one Mr Schmidt many years ago.

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  42. @European-American
    Also, the part about pinyin in "Orthographic reaction" is inaccurate, if anyone cares...

    Taiwan does have its own flavor of pinyin, Tongyong Pinyin, which is still mixed with regular mainland-style pinyin and random approximations in public signage and romanized names.

    But Taiwanese people don't care much about "alphabetic systems" for writing Chinese, and are often quite ignorant of pinyin. The syllabic zhuyin, aka bopomofo ㄅㄆㄇㄈ, is as far as I know still widely used in Taiwanese schools, and is commonly used as a way to write Chinese on a computer or a phone.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bopomofo#Computer_uses

    > Taiwan does have its own flavor of pinyin, Tongyong Pinyin,
    > which is still mixed with regular mainland-style pinyin
    > and random approximations in public signage and romanized names.

    To be more complete (and utterly boring to most, sorry), Taiwan mixes Tongyong Pinyin with regular mainland-style pinyin, the older Wade-Giles notation, and random approximations in public signage and romanized names. The profusion of orthographies is incredibly confusing to foreigners. But it doesn’t matter to the immense majority of Taiwanese.

    I’ve also heard that which romanization method is used can depend on which party is in power in a municipality. KMT favors pinyin (standard, mainland-compatible) and mandarin, while DPP favors more allegedly local variants romanizations, and Taiyu pronunciations. But really 99% of people have no clue about these subtleties, since they just use Chinese characters, and pronounce them in different ways according to which dialect they use (mandarin, taiyu, hakka, …).

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  43. Artemisia says:

    Mr. Derbyshire,

    I always appreciate your unfailing intelligence, good sense and respect for facts.

    Keep it up!

    As an admirer of Chinese civilization, though, one thing always makes me cringe. Maybe you can provide some insight, given your deep knowledge of the region.

    Why are the Chinese (and other East Asians) so appallingly cruel to animals?

    (I am an omnivore, by the way…)

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    Very good point. I really wish Britain would put some animal welfare clauses into deals with China. It's more than shocking the rate and increase in wild animal poaching.
    , @utu
    "I am an omnivore, by the way…" - No, you are not. The are more things you do not eat than what you eat. Probably no monkeys. Certainly no humans.
    , @Chuck
    The Chinese are indeed less civilized when it comes to sympathy for lesser life forms.
    , @Oldtimer
    Cruel to animals? You obviously haven't ever been to a Taiwan pet store. Or seen middle-aged Taiwanese ladies who compensate for Empty Nest Syndrome by going for walks with their puppy in a stroller.
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  44. denk says:

    *But if Chinese people are so smart and capable, why is Chinese government so crappy?*

    when ccp took over from kmt in 1949, china was a fourth world country, today its the worlds’ 2nd largest economy.

    china in 1949 had no industry worth mentioning, zero, none, nada, zilch.
    even something as humble as household nails had to be imported, today its a rising space explorer.

    by lifting 600m people out of poverty from 2000-2015, china almost single handedly helped un to achieve its Millennium Poverty Reduction goals.

    not bad, not bad at all for a ‘crappy’ govn !

    during the same period,

    usg started 200+ wars,
    hollowed out the us industries,
    decimated the middle class,
    incurred a debt of 20trillion….

    not a mean feat that !

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    When Mr. Derbyshire posed the question "why is Chinese government so crappy?", I'd imagine he was referring more to the social-political aspect, i.e. democracy, freedom, censorship, etc. As if these are the things most people, especially non-Westerners (ex. inbred peninsular Arabs would never ever be able to have a functioning democracy, nor do they want one of course; same goes for most sub-Saharan Africans) actually care about.
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  45. @DB Cooper
    ". . . since 99.99% of humanity share the same genetic makeup there is no fundamental difference between the races."

    I think you mean humanity share 99.9% of the same genetic makeup and therefore there is no fundamental difference between the races.

    Well humans and bananas shared 50% of the genetic makeup do you think a banana is half a human?

    I know two or three women that are at least half bananas.

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  46. Vinay says:
    @International Jew

    So seeing an exchange rate of 31.62 NT$ to the US$, I knew at once that my mental powers would not be much exercised by currency conversion. Multiplying both sides of the equation by 31.62, one thousand NT$ equals 31.62 US$, to within a few pennies. NT$100 is US$3.16, and so on.
    There’s only one number to remember, with due caution over the decimal point.
     
    I don't see the point; how does the fact the exchange rate reminds you of sqrt(10) make anything easier? That is, other than that you don't have to remember the exchange rate...but that's just one number to remember.

    Let me tell you something I think is a lot cooler. In Israel, the exchange rate between the Shekel and the US Dollar is the same as the exchange rate between liters and gallons -- about 3.8. And so, when I need to refuel my rental car in Israel, I can know how much I'm paying in American terms without doing any math whatsoever: Dollars/gallon ≅ Shekels/liter. (If we wanted to get technical about it, we could call that the Israeli Gasoline Invariance Principle, IGIP.)

    “I don’t see the point; how does the fact the exchange rate reminds you of sqrt(10) make anything easier?”

    It means that the exchange rate is the same number BOTH ways, USD to T and T to USD!

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    Oh, ok, that's cool. Not as easy as 1:1 or 100:1 but sure.
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  47. Priss Factor [AKA "Anonymny"] says: • Website

    http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20160806000090

    Lookie. The ‘leftist’ US government war-mongers with help of ‘rightist’ South Korean government(and ‘rightist’ Japan) against ‘leftist’ commie China.

    Global strategy for dominance trumps ideology.

    Imperiology.

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  48. @Ash
    In Taiwan 外省人 means somebody from the mainland, despite the literal meaning of "outside province person." It is used in Taiwan to describe not only those born on the Mainland, but also their descendants.

    I was correcting Derb on his belief that it meant “people (born) outside tw”. I mean people who are actually local-locals from any place in China would say the same thing (外地人) about people whose families are from other places.

    Real, old school locals won’t see you as one of them if your family has been in the area like, less than 100 years. Even some people in major cities are like that.

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  49. Priss Factor [AKA "Anonymny"] says: • Website

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/female-cop-killed-machete-outside-8574786

    Hmm. Killing people with MACHETES used to be purely an African or South American thing.

    Good to be enriched.

    Maybe coming to US as well.

    Xenomania!! Yay!!

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  50. Ron Unz says:
    @woodNfish

    ...if Chinese people are so smart and capable, why is Chinese government so crappy?
     
    The same can be said of our own corrupt government.

    The same can be said of our own corrupt government.

    Or even more so…

    http://www.unz.com/article/chinas-rise-americas-fall/

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    Nice you agree with me Ron, but why are you supporting silicon valley tech companies in their efforts to keep wages low by importing foreign labor? We have 98 million unemployed amerikans and you believe them when they tell you there is a labor shortage? There isn't - they are lying!

    These bastards have been playing this game since the mid 1970's when I first got into the silicon industry at Texas Instruments in Houston. The oil companies play the same lying game. We would see their ads for engineers every Sunday in the jobs section. They were very specific about the skills, degree, and years of experience, even software, etc, and what they would pay which was always ridiculously low because they already had a foreign engineer on tap for the position. The law required them to advertise to give citizens a chance to take the job first. It was a con game then and it still is. The job market was hot and good money was to be had, but these companies didn't want to compete on wages so they got their government lackeys to gin up a phony law for them so they could bring in cheap foreign labor rather than hire a qualified amerikan. Anyone who would sell out their own countrymen for cheap foreign labor is a traitor!

    It is people like you who are helping them Ron. Please change your position on this and support the people who vote for you. Companies don't vote - but they do pay out election bribes to buy politicians. Don't be a lackey for traitors Ron. Don't be a John McCain.
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  51. @Vinay
    "I don’t see the point; how does the fact the exchange rate reminds you of sqrt(10) make anything easier?"

    It means that the exchange rate is the same number BOTH ways, USD to T and T to USD!

    Oh, ok, that’s cool. Not as easy as 1:1 or 100:1 but sure.

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  52. woodNfish says:
    @Ron Unz

    The same can be said of our own corrupt government.
     
    Or even more so...

    http://www.unz.com/article/chinas-rise-americas-fall/

    Nice you agree with me Ron, but why are you supporting silicon valley tech companies in their efforts to keep wages low by importing foreign labor? We have 98 million unemployed amerikans and you believe them when they tell you there is a labor shortage? There isn’t – they are lying!

    These bastards have been playing this game since the mid 1970′s when I first got into the silicon industry at Texas Instruments in Houston. The oil companies play the same lying game. We would see their ads for engineers every Sunday in the jobs section. They were very specific about the skills, degree, and years of experience, even software, etc, and what they would pay which was always ridiculously low because they already had a foreign engineer on tap for the position. The law required them to advertise to give citizens a chance to take the job first. It was a con game then and it still is. The job market was hot and good money was to be had, but these companies didn’t want to compete on wages so they got their government lackeys to gin up a phony law for them so they could bring in cheap foreign labor rather than hire a qualified amerikan. Anyone who would sell out their own countrymen for cheap foreign labor is a traitor!

    It is people like you who are helping them Ron. Please change your position on this and support the people who vote for you. Companies don’t vote – but they do pay out election bribes to buy politicians. Don’t be a lackey for traitors Ron. Don’t be a John McCain.

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    "Please change your position on this and support the people who vote for you."

    I agree with what you said about immigration, but your ideas on voting are a bit backwards. You don't vote for candidates you may like for some smaller reason, hoping they'll change their positions on important areas, you vote for candidates who support your position.
    , @denk
    u might object to ron unz pov but he's is an honorable man, is it fair to compare him to that asshole mccain ?
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  53. Priss Factor [AKA "Anonymny"] says: • Website

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/belgium-police-stabbing-female-officer-8574786

    There was a time when something like this would have been big big news.

    Now, it’s just another day. Move on, folks.

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  54. Alfa158 says:

    Glad to hear Kaoshiung is cleaned up. I used to do a lot of business in the East and once spent two months in Kaoshiung back in the late ’70′s. Man, that was gritty, crowded, and industrial. The school kids would openly goggle at the round-eye. My favorite business was the one down near the waterfront that proudly advertised itself as “Maritime Antiques: Exporter and Manufacturer!”. Now I knew where all those brass binnacles and divers helmets came from.
    I was aware there were mountains coming right down to the coast but had no idea what they were like until one blustery winter day, the mists and smog were briefly blown away and there was this stunning mountain range marching past the city. Never saw that sight again.
    For some reason the drivers in Kaoshiung were crazier than anywhere else I have ever been, which is saying something. Everyone seemed to simply drive or walk in the most direct heading they could, and veered at the last minute to avoid collision. Well, except for that time the family of five on a motor-scooter got eaten by a truck. My cab driver once pulled out to pass a truck at high speed just as a bus coming the other way also pulled out to pass. We screamed towards each other going 50 miles mph and my driver pulled back in just in time, as the bus cleanly peeled the drivers mirror and side chrome strip off the cab. The bus actually would have missed, but it was badly out of alignment and the rear end was visibly cocked out towards us. By then I had become inured to the pace and fatalistic. The driver stopped, got out and stared impassively at the lightened cab. We shrugged at each other, he climbed back in, and we tore off at a breakneck speed like nothing had happened. I can still hum the national anthem the radio played each morning.

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  55. denk says:

    *one of the big two political parties, the KMT, favors union with the mainland — but not yet! The other, the DPP, favors Taiwan becoming an independent nation — but not yet!

    Thus the island floats forward in a happy cloud of ambiguity: self-governing, with its own laws, historical narrative, parliament, and military, yet recognized as a nation by almost nobody at all.

    This cheerful blurring of reality plays into the Chinese love of pretense and deceit, but I don’t suppose it can last for ever. It may not even outlast the present dictator of communist China, Xi Jinping, who is exceptionally aggressive and assertive* [sic]

    both mainland and tw are content with the status quo.
    no independence, no integration,
    tw are free to do big business in mainland, get a second, third wife. mainlanders go to tw in droves , gorge down local delicacies, have a happy time.
    just like a family business, win win situation.
    thats until the professional arsonist decided it’s had enough of this ‘threat of peace‘,

    trust the world’s no1 shit stirrer to stick its gruppy paws to rile up the water, just like in scs, ecs.

    *The hawks would argue that the U.S. hard line against China is needed to defend Taiwan from Beijing’s threats. But that, too, is rather ingenuous. Beijing says it will only use force against Taiwan if Taipei seeks independence. U.S. military and other moves to show support for Taiwan encourage those in Taiwan who seek independence. That seems a strange way to help defend Taiwan.*

    http://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2001/05/21/commentary/u-s-policy-toward-taiwan-defies-reason/#.V6aqLRJK8bU

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  56. utu says:
    @Binyamin
    Mr. Derbyshire, may I call you John? I wonder how you ended up being a race realist and a white nationalist? In your previous incarnation, you used to write excellent popular books on Mathematics. I read and thoroughly enjoyed your book 'The Prime Obsession'. This is the only book which provided me with (an albeit rudimentary) knowledge of Riemann Zeta Function. I lost my original copy and reread it line by line several years later, having ordered my second copy from Amazon. If you had carried on writing popular Maths books which are as good as 'The Prime Obsession' you might have become one of America's premier science writer. Something happened inside you and you gave up the lucrative world of science writing and joined the crowed of those whose heart is filled with hate- the white supremacists . I know, I know, you would say you are a race realist but to me (and most decent people I know) there is a thin line separating race realism, white nationalism and white supremacy. It is funny how many white nationalists currently in US are immigrants like yourself or even recent immigrants (many from Eastern Europe) and none of you lot seem to notice the irony.

    Fortunately anyone can be redeemed. You are a mathematician hence trained to think logically. Therefore it will be great if you can see the light and realize that since 99.99% of humanity share the same genetic makeup there is no fundamental difference between the races. Race is a social and cultural construct and yes, culture is important. How else can you explain that a 'white' person born in southern Greece or Italy is often of darker complexion than the average North Indian or Central Asian.

    It would be great if you can write another popular Maths book and I have a suggestion for you. I have been researching Ramanujan, the self taught Indian Maths genius and have felt the only popular book ever written about him- 'The Man Who Knew Infinity' is inadequate. How about writing a book or even a series of articles about Ramanujan? Even if this means going to South India and getting to know the culture and way of life of a dark skinned people. Perhaps it might even redeem you.

    In case you are wondering, no I am not a Cultural Marxist (whatever that might mean). I am a libertarian of conservative leaning.

    ” how [he] ended up being a race realist and a white nationalist? – probably did not get tenure

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  57. utu says:
    @E. Rekshun
    You come across a round-eye occasionally — so occasionally that you stare at each other for a couple of beats, then look away in embarrassment.

    I had similar experiences thirty years ago on a set of business trips to Kingston, Jamaica.

    Back in grad school I dated an attractive, exotic classmate from Taiwan. She wanted to experience America and American men; though she ended up marrying a German Deutsche Bank banker.

    Also, back in grad school, I noticed some serious tension between the mainland Chinese students and the Taiwanese students. The Taiwanese students spoke far better English, were more outgoing and approachable, and comfortable around the American students and with American culture.

    I know about the tension. My Taiwanese friends were telling me about political conversations they had with Mainlanders or overheard among Mainlanders and were irked by (or just pretended to be irked for my benefit) the tone of suprematism and revanchism. The latter was anti western chiefly anti American and British stemming from Opium Wars.

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    Younger Taiwanese do not identify with mainland China at all, unlike the older generation, especially those who migrated from there after the communist takeover. Will make for interesting times as the pressure to assimilate into the Borg gets stronger.
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  58. […] Yellowtopia. Olympics. Mars. The End. RIP USA. BLMUK. Vanity. Oxen. Order. Deflection. Elites. Communism. Devils. Trump ostracism. States rights. Socialized medicine. Merkel untergang. Censorship. Recovery, maybe. Weekly rounds: here, here and there. […]

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  59. AaronB says:

    Taiwan has a reputation for being one of the most pleasant places in Asia. As for being macho, that’s just the Derb projecting because they aren’t suicidal. Taiwan like most of Asia is gloriously and magnificently un-macho, and it’s immediately noticeable coming from New York, and makes for a pleasant atmosphere.

    Ironically, the more masculine and macho a country is, like America and the West, the more self hating and suicidal, and the more dominant the women. Maybe something about being too macho makes for unhappinness. All I know is, these “feminine” Asian countries seem happier and to have great self esteem, which we lack.

    Japan pretty much lost the land war against Russia, but at that time most Westerners not just the Russians thought Japanese effeminacy – which is very real and appealing part of their national character – meant they wouldn’t have the inner self belief in their civilization needed to fight. It proved rather the opposite, and in fact we have lost our inner belief.

    It seems this masculine/feminine thing is far more complicated than we Westerners think.

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    cultures which value toughness and physical strength and also fair competition in physical contests a lot a very vulnerable to foreigners who come a long and prove to be tougher, they can´t do anything but admire them. So a real Viking or Knight just has to agree to as much immigration from Africa as possible, being against it would feel like hiding from the competition, and thus would be against his honor. People who despise any kind of risk averse, security orientated behavior because it is to girly also despise any kind of border.
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  60. Vinay says:

    “U.S. military and other moves to show support for Taiwan encourage those in Taiwan who seek independence”

    The US position is the same as most of the nations of the world, which is:
    a) Nobody wants Taiwan to declare independence, and
    b) Nobody wants China to use military force against Taiwan…yes, even if Taiwan is foolish enough to declare independence!

    China is free to use its enormous economic clout to pressure Taiwan. It’s crazy and abhorrent to insist that opposing the invasion of Taiwan is somehow being anti-peace.

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    sigh,
    i'd have thought THREE persons, jd, clark and me have made the situation abundantly clear.

    there'd be no war as long as tw doesnt declare independence.
    so if uncle sham wants peace, all it has to do is stay the fuck outta it.

    as clark pointed out,
    murkka declaring military support to tw would embolden the anti beijing faction to go for independence,
    that means WAR !

    tw straits has been at peace for the past 60 yrs,
    if something aint broke, dont fix it , thank you very much !

    p.s.
    they dont call it uncle sham for nuthin u know.
    he's like a crazy fire fighter who barges in a house where a party is going on,
    passing by the next door neighbour which is a blazing inferno. !
    hehehehe
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  61. concerning the Aboriginals of Taiwan I can only recommend the movie “Rainbow Warriors”, quite violent but really impressive.

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  62. LKM says:

    Chinese people are so smart — so capable, so energetic, so damn smart. Why can’t they get the hang of rational, honest, consensual government?

    And which western governments would you describe using the bolded terms?

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    I think Europe does well, on the whole. The problem there is the Europeans themselves.
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  63. M says:

    I dunno. Doesn’t sound like Cultural Marxism to me. What she admitted is just… what happened. The Chinese colonised the joint. It’s a sensible degree of honesty to admit that.

    Cultural Marxism would be like, when you go from what she said to –

    “The worthless Taiwanese Chinese built everything that makes them better off than the Aborigines around what they stole from the secretly superior Aborigines, and from nothing else. Chinese Privilege!”

    A scenario in which the Aborigines take this role on similar to the oppressed proletariat in Marxism, where *everything* of value, not just wealth but including any actual humansing qualities a well off group may have, was originally stolen and dispossessed from a worse off group.

    I can’t imagine the Chinese ever falling for that one.

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    I agree to that. Cultural Marxism is not: "slavery with West African slaves shipped to America was bad, a lot of harm was done".
    Cultural Marxism is "slavery was bad, and because of that we now and in eternity pretend black people kill not much more non-blacks than the other way, and also every black person on earth (whether his great-great-great grandparents were slaves or not) has the right of affirmative action"
    , @utu
    "Doesn’t sound like Cultural Marxism to me." - Exactly. It's neocon's affliction.
    , @Duke of Qin
    Then you don't know the Chinese very well.

    The very term Han Chauvinism was coined by Mao no less.

    More modern examples are just a google search away. Try searching for "Chinese Privilege" and you get to enjoy wonderful examples such as the following.

    "To My Dear Fellow Singapore Chinese: Shut Up When a Minority is Talking about Race"

    Singapore is the most "Westernized" Chinese polity, hence it is also the most self destructive.

    Massive racial alien immigration - check.
    Abysmal native birth rates - check.
    Dark skinned race hustlers - check.
    Entitled invaders claiming they are responsible for everything good - check.
    Government hell bent on advocating political correctness and racial "harmony" - check.
    Assorted bourgeois intellectuals and tumblrista decrying privilege - check.

    The preconditions for full blown sjw outbreak is already present in Hong Kong and Taiwan. It's just that there are fewer dysfunctional brown helots to make martyrs out of there. English Tsai is just another example of the insidious nature of leftism which has seized the prestige points in the West to move their societies ever leftward. Though unlike Fauxcahontas, this cat lady actually does have some aboriginal ancestry.
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  64. Seraphim says:

    I wonder why the author introduced the unnecessary slight at Russia, unrelated to the subject. Did it become obligatory to disparage Russia at every opportunity. He missed to evoke Putin.

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    He wants very much the neocons to let him play with them again. He was kicked out from the sandbox where the neocons play. In the sandbox they do not use monopoly money. It's real money.
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  65. @Santoculto
    This is Unz platform or Your Travel magazine?

    To put it in your question form are you meanspirited or merely incurious? Anyone from a country in which abotiginal pre modern people survive despite the invasion of modern or modernising settlers would surely have to find at least the references to aborigines interesting.

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  66. Che Guava says:
    @Myra Esoteric
    Erm... 外省人 means people from out of state. It doesn't mean people born outside of Taiwan. Its a Taiwanese term. Anywhere else you would say 外地人 (people from other places).

    外省人 also clearly refers to people from other provinces, and by implication, not from outside China.

    A literal translation would be ‘other-province person’, less literal ‘person from a different province’, not any of the alternatives spouted in this part of the thread. People from mainland China.

    Derb, your travelogue almost matches some of Linh Dinh’s here, but lacks the human element.

    I like the way HK and the Republic of China (Taiwan) have retained the old orthography, I can read a lot. Can understand most of the simplified radicals in the mainland script, but the other parts of the characters, not so much at times.

    Used to study it, but it is illogical, other things to do.

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  67. @AaronB
    Taiwan has a reputation for being one of the most pleasant places in Asia. As for being macho, that's just the Derb projecting because they aren't suicidal. Taiwan like most of Asia is gloriously and magnificently un-macho, and it's immediately noticeable coming from New York, and makes for a pleasant atmosphere.

    Ironically, the more masculine and macho a country is, like America and the West, the more self hating and suicidal, and the more dominant the women. Maybe something about being too macho makes for unhappinness. All I know is, these "feminine" Asian countries seem happier and to have great self esteem, which we lack.

    Japan pretty much lost the land war against Russia, but at that time most Westerners not just the Russians thought Japanese effeminacy - which is very real and appealing part of their national character - meant they wouldn't have the inner self belief in their civilization needed to fight. It proved rather the opposite, and in fact we have lost our inner belief.

    It seems this masculine/feminine thing is far more complicated than we Westerners think.

    cultures which value toughness and physical strength and also fair competition in physical contests a lot a very vulnerable to foreigners who come a long and prove to be tougher, they can´t do anything but admire them. So a real Viking or Knight just has to agree to as much immigration from Africa as possible, being against it would feel like hiding from the competition, and thus would be against his honor. People who despise any kind of risk averse, security orientated behavior because it is to girly also despise any kind of border.

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    I think that's a great insight. Macho can be something that people use to exploit you by.

    That's why the more macho the man, the more he is being covertly dominated by women - gamers and red pillers are notoriously dominated by women - and why, as you note, Western men are so susceptible to shaming tactics.

    But I think it goes beyond that - a life oriented around aggression and dominance, like in the West, seems to eventually produce dissatisfaction and nihilism, and undermines self-belief and motivation to perpetuate ones civilization. In short, macho consumes itself, and maybe that's the best way to understand the difference between the East and the West.

    The West did alright as long as Christianity put a check on its machonness, but once Christianity was abandoned and the will to dominance had no check, within a mere few centuries life became so unsatisfying in the West that we are completely suicidal.

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  68. @M
    I dunno. Doesn't sound like Cultural Marxism to me. What she admitted is just... what happened. The Chinese colonised the joint. It's a sensible degree of honesty to admit that.

    Cultural Marxism would be like, when you go from what she said to -

    "The worthless Taiwanese Chinese built everything that makes them better off than the Aborigines around what they stole from the secretly superior Aborigines, and from nothing else. Chinese Privilege!"

    A scenario in which the Aborigines take this role on similar to the oppressed proletariat in Marxism, where *everything* of value, not just wealth but including any actual humansing qualities a well off group may have, was originally stolen and dispossessed from a worse off group.

    I can't imagine the Chinese ever falling for that one.

    I agree to that. Cultural Marxism is not: “slavery with West African slaves shipped to America was bad, a lot of harm was done”.
    Cultural Marxism is “slavery was bad, and because of that we now and in eternity pretend black people kill not much more non-blacks than the other way, and also every black person on earth (whether his great-great-great grandparents were slaves or not) has the right of affirmative action”

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  69. Che Guava says:
    @Santoculto
    This is Unz platform or Your Travel magazine?

    We are in the depths of summer in the nthn. hemisphere, I found Mr. Unz’s choices of an article by a mother determined to bring up a boy as gay or tranny (that was in the background, but concretely expressed, and not good), and the Derb’s good travelogue to feature, suits the weather.

    Although the evening in TYO is unusually cool for the tine of year.

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  70. utu says:
    @Seraphim
    I wonder why the author introduced the unnecessary slight at Russia, unrelated to the subject. Did it become obligatory to disparage Russia at every opportunity. He missed to evoke Putin.

    He wants very much the neocons to let him play with them again. He was kicked out from the sandbox where the neocons play. In the sandbox they do not use monopoly money. It’s real money.

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  71. utu says:
    @M
    I dunno. Doesn't sound like Cultural Marxism to me. What she admitted is just... what happened. The Chinese colonised the joint. It's a sensible degree of honesty to admit that.

    Cultural Marxism would be like, when you go from what she said to -

    "The worthless Taiwanese Chinese built everything that makes them better off than the Aborigines around what they stole from the secretly superior Aborigines, and from nothing else. Chinese Privilege!"

    A scenario in which the Aborigines take this role on similar to the oppressed proletariat in Marxism, where *everything* of value, not just wealth but including any actual humansing qualities a well off group may have, was originally stolen and dispossessed from a worse off group.

    I can't imagine the Chinese ever falling for that one.

    “Doesn’t sound like Cultural Marxism to me.” – Exactly. It’s neocon’s affliction.

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  72. You should check out Singapore. Now that’s a yellowtopia.

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  73. @woodNfish
    Nice you agree with me Ron, but why are you supporting silicon valley tech companies in their efforts to keep wages low by importing foreign labor? We have 98 million unemployed amerikans and you believe them when they tell you there is a labor shortage? There isn't - they are lying!

    These bastards have been playing this game since the mid 1970's when I first got into the silicon industry at Texas Instruments in Houston. The oil companies play the same lying game. We would see their ads for engineers every Sunday in the jobs section. They were very specific about the skills, degree, and years of experience, even software, etc, and what they would pay which was always ridiculously low because they already had a foreign engineer on tap for the position. The law required them to advertise to give citizens a chance to take the job first. It was a con game then and it still is. The job market was hot and good money was to be had, but these companies didn't want to compete on wages so they got their government lackeys to gin up a phony law for them so they could bring in cheap foreign labor rather than hire a qualified amerikan. Anyone who would sell out their own countrymen for cheap foreign labor is a traitor!

    It is people like you who are helping them Ron. Please change your position on this and support the people who vote for you. Companies don't vote - but they do pay out election bribes to buy politicians. Don't be a lackey for traitors Ron. Don't be a John McCain.

    “Please change your position on this and support the people who vote for you.”

    I agree with what you said about immigration, but your ideas on voting are a bit backwards. You don’t vote for candidates you may like for some smaller reason, hoping they’ll change their positions on important areas, you vote for candidates who support your position.

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    You may think this is a small concern, but I don't and never have. Trump has said he'll put an end to it and it is one of the main reasons I support him. Amerika should be for amerikans first every time!
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  74. Che Guava says:
    @Priss Factor
    Riolympics

    http://www.news.com.au/sport/olympics/pure-gold-rioproblems-tweets-give-that-olympics-sinking-feeling/news-story/257b6dfbb34308875dfc634d75d6b3d6

    http://heatst.com/entertainment/putin-was-right-russia-doping-investigation-was-flawed-according-to-wadas-former-chief-investigator/

    Your post is way off-topic, but I can’t resist a reply.

    Shoddy accomodations, toxic-virus-filled waters outside the swimming pools for acquatic events, lots of thefts, a few (few?) assaults. They wil continue. Yet this rancid self-parody suddenly becomes immune to any critism once the opening ceremony starts.

    I haven’t watched more than a few seconds since Pekin, the British opening ceremony sounded so horrid that I am glad I did not subject my brain to that violation.

    Watched nothing, except for a little gymnastics, and rhythmic gym.

    More from Sochi, but not much, and very selective.

    If they are so determined to make men and women play the same sports (women’s Rugby, a joke, with few participants in the world), why are there no events for men’s synchro swimming, a hideous event, even for the women taking part, they have to wear waterproof drag-queen makeup, and beam a smile every time they surface to get points.

    Likewise with rhythmic gym. if a very small number of dykey or just plain fat women have to have a poor excuse for an Olympic sport in women’s rugby, why is there no men’s rhythmic gym. Sure, I’d rather not see it, but that also applies to women’s rugby.

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    I was a little unclear, I love watching the top performers in rhythmic gym. though I think it much more an art than a sport (sure, one requiring intense physical training, as does ballet, as do figure skating and ice dance).

    Synchro swimming on the other hand is just total nonsense. They really should introduce a men's synchro event, the 'lympics are already full off rubbish events.
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  75. AaronB says:
    @Erik Sieven
    cultures which value toughness and physical strength and also fair competition in physical contests a lot a very vulnerable to foreigners who come a long and prove to be tougher, they can´t do anything but admire them. So a real Viking or Knight just has to agree to as much immigration from Africa as possible, being against it would feel like hiding from the competition, and thus would be against his honor. People who despise any kind of risk averse, security orientated behavior because it is to girly also despise any kind of border.

    I think that’s a great insight. Macho can be something that people use to exploit you by.

    That’s why the more macho the man, the more he is being covertly dominated by women – gamers and red pillers are notoriously dominated by women – and why, as you note, Western men are so susceptible to shaming tactics.

    But I think it goes beyond that – a life oriented around aggression and dominance, like in the West, seems to eventually produce dissatisfaction and nihilism, and undermines self-belief and motivation to perpetuate ones civilization. In short, macho consumes itself, and maybe that’s the best way to understand the difference between the East and the West.

    The West did alright as long as Christianity put a check on its machonness, but once Christianity was abandoned and the will to dominance had no check, within a mere few centuries life became so unsatisfying in the West that we are completely suicidal.

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    Henry Vlll was notoriously dominated by women. Or not.
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  76. Che Guava says:
    @Che Guava
    Your post is way off-topic, but I can't resist a reply.

    Shoddy accomodations, toxic-virus-filled waters outside the swimming pools for acquatic events, lots of thefts, a few (few?) assaults. They wil continue. Yet this rancid self-parody suddenly becomes immune to any critism once the opening ceremony starts.

    I haven't watched more than a few seconds since Pekin, the British opening ceremony sounded so horrid that I am glad I did not subject my brain to that violation.

    Watched nothing, except for a little gymnastics, and rhythmic gym.

    More from Sochi, but not much, and very selective.

    If they are so determined to make men and women play the same sports (women's Rugby, a joke, with few participants in the world), why are there no events for men's synchro swimming, a hideous event, even for the women taking part, they have to wear waterproof drag-queen makeup, and beam a smile every time they surface to get points.

    Likewise with rhythmic gym. if a very small number of dykey or just plain fat women have to have a poor excuse for an Olympic sport in women's rugby, why is there no men's rhythmic gym. Sure, I'd rather not see it, but that also applies to women's rugby.

    I was a little unclear, I love watching the top performers in rhythmic gym. though I think it much more an art than a sport (sure, one requiring intense physical training, as does ballet, as do figure skating and ice dance).

    Synchro swimming on the other hand is just total nonsense. They really should introduce a men’s synchro event, the ‘lympics are already full off rubbish events.

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  77. A Yellowtopia that is no longer having children.

    https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2127rank.html

    Just go to the bottom of the list.

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    Yes, the fertility rate on Taiwan is low, as in many other places. But the "CIA Factbook" is shit.
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  78. 5371 says:
    @Paul Yarbles
    A Yellowtopia that is no longer having children.

    https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2127rank.html

    Just go to the bottom of the list.

    Yes, the fertility rate on Taiwan is low, as in many other places. But the “CIA Factbook” is shit.

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  79. denk says:
    @Vinay
    "U.S. military and other moves to show support for Taiwan encourage those in Taiwan who seek independence"

    The US position is the same as most of the nations of the world, which is:
    a) Nobody wants Taiwan to declare independence, and
    b) Nobody wants China to use military force against Taiwan...yes, even if Taiwan is foolish enough to declare independence!

    China is free to use its enormous economic clout to pressure Taiwan. It's crazy and abhorrent to insist that opposing the invasion of Taiwan is somehow being anti-peace.

    sigh,
    i’d have thought THREE persons, jd, clark and me have made the situation abundantly clear.

    there’d be no war as long as tw doesnt declare independence.
    so if uncle sham wants peace, all it has to do is stay the fuck outta it.

    as clark pointed out,
    murkka declaring military support to tw would embolden the anti beijing faction to go for independence,
    that means WAR !

    tw straits has been at peace for the past 60 yrs,
    if something aint broke, dont fix it , thank you very much !

    p.s.
    they dont call it uncle sham for nuthin u know.
    he’s like a crazy fire fighter who barges in a house where a party is going on,
    passing by the next door neighbour which is a blazing inferno. !
    hehehehe

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  80. Curle says:
    @Binyamin
    Mr. Derbyshire, may I call you John? I wonder how you ended up being a race realist and a white nationalist? In your previous incarnation, you used to write excellent popular books on Mathematics. I read and thoroughly enjoyed your book 'The Prime Obsession'. This is the only book which provided me with (an albeit rudimentary) knowledge of Riemann Zeta Function. I lost my original copy and reread it line by line several years later, having ordered my second copy from Amazon. If you had carried on writing popular Maths books which are as good as 'The Prime Obsession' you might have become one of America's premier science writer. Something happened inside you and you gave up the lucrative world of science writing and joined the crowed of those whose heart is filled with hate- the white supremacists . I know, I know, you would say you are a race realist but to me (and most decent people I know) there is a thin line separating race realism, white nationalism and white supremacy. It is funny how many white nationalists currently in US are immigrants like yourself or even recent immigrants (many from Eastern Europe) and none of you lot seem to notice the irony.

    Fortunately anyone can be redeemed. You are a mathematician hence trained to think logically. Therefore it will be great if you can see the light and realize that since 99.99% of humanity share the same genetic makeup there is no fundamental difference between the races. Race is a social and cultural construct and yes, culture is important. How else can you explain that a 'white' person born in southern Greece or Italy is often of darker complexion than the average North Indian or Central Asian.

    It would be great if you can write another popular Maths book and I have a suggestion for you. I have been researching Ramanujan, the self taught Indian Maths genius and have felt the only popular book ever written about him- 'The Man Who Knew Infinity' is inadequate. How about writing a book or even a series of articles about Ramanujan? Even if this means going to South India and getting to know the culture and way of life of a dark skinned people. Perhaps it might even redeem you.

    In case you are wondering, no I am not a Cultural Marxist (whatever that might mean). I am a libertarian of conservative leaning.

    since 99.99% of humanity share the same genetic makeup there is no fundamental difference between the races.

    The following may help clear up some of your confusion on this point.

    http://www.unz.com/gnxp/r-a-fisher-on-race-and-human-genetic-variation/

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    I've bookmarked without reading your link but presume it makes clear that it is the few genes shared only or mostly in the extended families we may call races that make a big enough difference for us to think the identifiable racial groupings make sense. It is is pity that perception of skin colour has dominated so many people's thinking but that doesn't affect the fuzzy edged reality.

    A somewhat analogous logical fallacy is to insist on abortions being made illegal because they involve the destruction of human life. Setting aside the fact that criminal law historically defined murder by reference to born human brings the attempt to derive a criminal law from the early misconceptions of Thomas Aquinas and millions of other Christians since depends on not understanding that zygotes, blastocysts, embryos etc are not "life" or "lives" objectively for the purposes of framing or obeying moral rules. They are just what they physically are and applying words like "life" is just a choice we make for its use in a particular context and not ipso facto validly used in all contexts. Nothing wrong with saying that mammalian life would be extinguished if every embryo was destroyed at 5 days from conception but that doesn't help the antiabortion argument based on "life".

    Similarly it doesn't help Binyamin's argument to *choose* to regard all of the 99.99 per cent of genes (and their epigenetics presumably) as if they all were identical value counters.
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  81. denk says:
    @woodNfish
    Nice you agree with me Ron, but why are you supporting silicon valley tech companies in their efforts to keep wages low by importing foreign labor? We have 98 million unemployed amerikans and you believe them when they tell you there is a labor shortage? There isn't - they are lying!

    These bastards have been playing this game since the mid 1970's when I first got into the silicon industry at Texas Instruments in Houston. The oil companies play the same lying game. We would see their ads for engineers every Sunday in the jobs section. They were very specific about the skills, degree, and years of experience, even software, etc, and what they would pay which was always ridiculously low because they already had a foreign engineer on tap for the position. The law required them to advertise to give citizens a chance to take the job first. It was a con game then and it still is. The job market was hot and good money was to be had, but these companies didn't want to compete on wages so they got their government lackeys to gin up a phony law for them so they could bring in cheap foreign labor rather than hire a qualified amerikan. Anyone who would sell out their own countrymen for cheap foreign labor is a traitor!

    It is people like you who are helping them Ron. Please change your position on this and support the people who vote for you. Companies don't vote - but they do pay out election bribes to buy politicians. Don't be a lackey for traitors Ron. Don't be a John McCain.

    u might object to ron unz pov but he’s is an honorable man, is it fair to compare him to that asshole mccain ?

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    McCain also supports hiring foreigners to destroy jobs and wages for amerikans, so yes, it is completely fair!
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  82. @M
    I dunno. Doesn't sound like Cultural Marxism to me. What she admitted is just... what happened. The Chinese colonised the joint. It's a sensible degree of honesty to admit that.

    Cultural Marxism would be like, when you go from what she said to -

    "The worthless Taiwanese Chinese built everything that makes them better off than the Aborigines around what they stole from the secretly superior Aborigines, and from nothing else. Chinese Privilege!"

    A scenario in which the Aborigines take this role on similar to the oppressed proletariat in Marxism, where *everything* of value, not just wealth but including any actual humansing qualities a well off group may have, was originally stolen and dispossessed from a worse off group.

    I can't imagine the Chinese ever falling for that one.

    Then you don’t know the Chinese very well.

    The very term Han Chauvinism was coined by Mao no less.

    More modern examples are just a google search away. Try searching for “Chinese Privilege” and you get to enjoy wonderful examples such as the following.

    “To My Dear Fellow Singapore Chinese: Shut Up When a Minority is Talking about Race”

    Singapore is the most “Westernized” Chinese polity, hence it is also the most self destructive.

    Massive racial alien immigration – check.
    Abysmal native birth rates – check.
    Dark skinned race hustlers – check.
    Entitled invaders claiming they are responsible for everything good – check.
    Government hell bent on advocating political correctness and racial “harmony” – check.
    Assorted bourgeois intellectuals and tumblrista decrying privilege – check.

    The preconditions for full blown sjw outbreak is already present in Hong Kong and Taiwan. It’s just that there are fewer dysfunctional brown helots to make martyrs out of there. English Tsai is just another example of the insidious nature of leftism which has seized the prestige points in the West to move their societies ever leftward. Though unlike Fauxcahontas, this cat lady actually does have some aboriginal ancestry.

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    that is just the color revolution working in the background :)
    , @Clyde
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsai_Ing-wen she does not look part aboriginal/ How many cats?
    , @reezy

    Massive racial alien immigration – check.
    Abysmal native birth rates – check.

     

    Well the first is a necessary consequence of the second, right? If they want to keep their economic engine well oiled that is.

    Dark skinned race hustlers – check.
     
    The Malays? Indians? Both?

    Entitled invaders claiming they are responsible for everything good – check.
     
    Now I'm lost. Most immigrants and expats to Singapore are skilled labors no?

    Government hell bent on advocating political correctness and racial “harmony” – check.
     
    LKY was very race aware AFAIK, so I'd thought his party the PAP, especially under his son would have at least tried to kept his wisdom in mind when forming policies. Or is the tide simply too strong?

    Assorted bourgeois intellectuals and tumblrista decrying privilege – check.
     
    This I've personally observed, so ya definitely believe you there.

    So goddamn, is Singapore actually that bad? Was seriously contemplating on living there for a couple years, since it's a super developed nation with a predominantly Chinese population, which I am.
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  83. @Duke of Qin
    Then you don't know the Chinese very well.

    The very term Han Chauvinism was coined by Mao no less.

    More modern examples are just a google search away. Try searching for "Chinese Privilege" and you get to enjoy wonderful examples such as the following.

    "To My Dear Fellow Singapore Chinese: Shut Up When a Minority is Talking about Race"

    Singapore is the most "Westernized" Chinese polity, hence it is also the most self destructive.

    Massive racial alien immigration - check.
    Abysmal native birth rates - check.
    Dark skinned race hustlers - check.
    Entitled invaders claiming they are responsible for everything good - check.
    Government hell bent on advocating political correctness and racial "harmony" - check.
    Assorted bourgeois intellectuals and tumblrista decrying privilege - check.

    The preconditions for full blown sjw outbreak is already present in Hong Kong and Taiwan. It's just that there are fewer dysfunctional brown helots to make martyrs out of there. English Tsai is just another example of the insidious nature of leftism which has seized the prestige points in the West to move their societies ever leftward. Though unlike Fauxcahontas, this cat lady actually does have some aboriginal ancestry.

    that is just the color revolution working in the background :)

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  84. woodNfish says:
    @denk
    u might object to ron unz pov but he's is an honorable man, is it fair to compare him to that asshole mccain ?

    McCain also supports hiring foreigners to destroy jobs and wages for amerikans, so yes, it is completely fair!

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    *Please change your position on this and support the people who vote for you. Companies don’t vote –
    but they do pay out election bribes to buy politicians.*

    this is fair comment.

    * Don’t be a lackey for traitors Ron. Don’t be a John McCain.*

    this isnt fair.
    mccain *the insane* is first and foremost a rabid war monger.

    i rest my case.
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  85. Curle says:
    @AaronB
    I think that's a great insight. Macho can be something that people use to exploit you by.

    That's why the more macho the man, the more he is being covertly dominated by women - gamers and red pillers are notoriously dominated by women - and why, as you note, Western men are so susceptible to shaming tactics.

    But I think it goes beyond that - a life oriented around aggression and dominance, like in the West, seems to eventually produce dissatisfaction and nihilism, and undermines self-belief and motivation to perpetuate ones civilization. In short, macho consumes itself, and maybe that's the best way to understand the difference between the East and the West.

    The West did alright as long as Christianity put a check on its machonness, but once Christianity was abandoned and the will to dominance had no check, within a mere few centuries life became so unsatisfying in the West that we are completely suicidal.

    Henry Vlll was notoriously dominated by women. Or not.

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  86. woodNfish says:
    @Grandpa Jack
    "Please change your position on this and support the people who vote for you."

    I agree with what you said about immigration, but your ideas on voting are a bit backwards. You don't vote for candidates you may like for some smaller reason, hoping they'll change their positions on important areas, you vote for candidates who support your position.

    You may think this is a small concern, but I don’t and never have. Trump has said he’ll put an end to it and it is one of the main reasons I support him. Amerika should be for amerikans first every time!

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  87. Che Guava says:
    @Alfa158
    Glad to hear Kaoshiung is cleaned up. I used to do a lot of business in the East and once spent two months in Kaoshiung back in the late '70's. Man, that was gritty, crowded, and industrial. The school kids would openly goggle at the round-eye. My favorite business was the one down near the waterfront that proudly advertised itself as "Maritime Antiques: Exporter and Manufacturer!". Now I knew where all those brass binnacles and divers helmets came from.
    I was aware there were mountains coming right down to the coast but had no idea what they were like until one blustery winter day, the mists and smog were briefly blown away and there was this stunning mountain range marching past the city. Never saw that sight again.
    For some reason the drivers in Kaoshiung were crazier than anywhere else I have ever been, which is saying something. Everyone seemed to simply drive or walk in the most direct heading they could, and veered at the last minute to avoid collision. Well, except for that time the family of five on a motor-scooter got eaten by a truck. My cab driver once pulled out to pass a truck at high speed just as a bus coming the other way also pulled out to pass. We screamed towards each other going 50 miles mph and my driver pulled back in just in time, as the bus cleanly peeled the drivers mirror and side chrome strip off the cab. The bus actually would have missed, but it was badly out of alignment and the rear end was visibly cocked out towards us. By then I had become inured to the pace and fatalistic. The driver stopped, got out and stared impassively at the lightened cab. We shrugged at each other, he climbed back in, and we tore off at a breakneck speed like nothing had happened. I can still hum the national anthem the radio played each morning.

    Entertaining and interesting acconnt. Thanks for it.

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  88. helena says:
    @Artemisia
    Mr. Derbyshire,

    I always appreciate your unfailing intelligence, good sense and respect for facts.

    Keep it up!

    As an admirer of Chinese civilization, though, one thing always makes me cringe. Maybe you can provide some insight, given your deep knowledge of the region.

    Why are the Chinese (and other East Asians) so appallingly cruel to animals?

    (I am an omnivore, by the way...)

    Very good point. I really wish Britain would put some animal welfare clauses into deals with China. It’s more than shocking the rate and increase in wild animal poaching.

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  89. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    So what doesn’t scale up?

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  90. utu says:
    @Artemisia
    Mr. Derbyshire,

    I always appreciate your unfailing intelligence, good sense and respect for facts.

    Keep it up!

    As an admirer of Chinese civilization, though, one thing always makes me cringe. Maybe you can provide some insight, given your deep knowledge of the region.

    Why are the Chinese (and other East Asians) so appallingly cruel to animals?

    (I am an omnivore, by the way...)

    “I am an omnivore, by the way…” – No, you are not. The are more things you do not eat than what you eat. Probably no monkeys. Certainly no humans.

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  91. Chuck says:
    @Artemisia
    Mr. Derbyshire,

    I always appreciate your unfailing intelligence, good sense and respect for facts.

    Keep it up!

    As an admirer of Chinese civilization, though, one thing always makes me cringe. Maybe you can provide some insight, given your deep knowledge of the region.

    Why are the Chinese (and other East Asians) so appallingly cruel to animals?

    (I am an omnivore, by the way...)

    The Chinese are indeed less civilized when it comes to sympathy for lesser life forms.

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    'lesser life form',
    would that includes those 'unpeople', such as the chagosians, okinawans, jeju islanders, iraqis, palestinians, marshall islanders, .... ?

    incidentally,
    the brits and yanks killed hundreds of pet dogs infront of chagosian children, to terrorise the chagosians to vacate their homeland ,so the murkkans could build a military base .

    hmm,
    helena
    may be xi should raise this issue with the brit pm the next time they meet. ?
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  92. @thinkingabout it
    I was shocked when I saw the Taiwanese apology. Until now I had only seen national apologies from the leaders of Anglophone or European countries.

    It's just Christianity spreading its tentacles across the world, in disguise this time. The liberal obsession with national apologies is basically about making every country in the world have a sense of original sin, that they're all sinners, and that they need salvation by taking refuge in the redeeming embrace of CultMarxism (aka secularized Christianity).

    Disgusting.

    “…It’s just Christianity spreading its tentacles across the world, in disguise this time. The liberal obsession with national apologies is basically about making every country in the world have a sense of original sin, that they’re all sinners, and that they need salvation by taking refuge in the redeeming embrace of CultMarxism (aka secularized Christianity)”

    .Christians believe in the saving grace of Christs’ blood sacrifice on the cross; which is sufficient for all who sincerely repent of mankind’s innate lust for power [ original sin=the consequences of The Fall- spiritual death/separation from God ]

    I think you mean nationalized Christianity…

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    Meh. I went to a Christian school, and like so many people who do this, the white guilting was unbelievably strong.

    Guilt is an integral part of Christianity, because repentance is an integral part of Christianity. Martin Luther was driven nearly insane by the traditions that taught him to stay in a state of constant, overwhelming guilt and repentance. His protestant reformation was an attempt to say "NO" to this, but the reality is that as long as Christianity has a doctrine of original sin, and as long as Christianity hinges on repentance, there will be a strong element of guilt.
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  93. Escher says:
    @utu
    I know about the tension. My Taiwanese friends were telling me about political conversations they had with Mainlanders or overheard among Mainlanders and were irked by (or just pretended to be irked for my benefit) the tone of suprematism and revanchism. The latter was anti western chiefly anti American and British stemming from Opium Wars.

    Younger Taiwanese do not identify with mainland China at all, unlike the older generation, especially those who migrated from there after the communist takeover. Will make for interesting times as the pressure to assimilate into the Borg gets stronger.

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  94. denk says:
    @woodNfish
    McCain also supports hiring foreigners to destroy jobs and wages for amerikans, so yes, it is completely fair!

    *Please change your position on this and support the people who vote for you. Companies don’t vote –
    but they do pay out election bribes to buy politicians.*

    this is fair comment.

    * Don’t be a lackey for traitors Ron. Don’t be a John McCain.*

    this isnt fair.
    mccain *the insane* is first and foremost a rabid war monger.

    i rest my case.

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  95. denk says:
    @Chuck
    The Chinese are indeed less civilized when it comes to sympathy for lesser life forms.

    ‘lesser life form’,
    would that includes those unpeople, such as the chagosians, okinawans, jeju islanders, iraqis, palestinians, marshall islanders, …. ?

    incidentally,
    the brits and yanks killed hundreds of pet dogs infront of chagosian children, to terrorise the chagosians to vacate their homeland ,so the murkkans could build a military base .

    hmm,
    helena
    may be xi should raise this issue with the brit pm the next time they meet. ?

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  96. reezy says:
    @TheBoom
    I live in Taipei and overall Derb nailed the place. Only things I don't think he got right are:

    -Men are not macho. Younger men are becoming more androgynous at least in Taipei. Mainland is different.

    -Cultural Marxism isn't alive here. Chinese give lip service to diversity but that means that they bring over a token number of Chinese from HK, Singapore or (if really wild) Malaysia. Chinese (even the women) are proud of their culture and have nothing to gain socially by supporting ethnic and cultural cleansing.

    Chinese (even the women) are proud of their culture and have nothing to gain socially by supporting ethnic and cultural cleansing.

    That’s because the dominant culture as dictated by the men is one where strong nationalism is valued. Therefore it would be detrimental for women to go against the grain, as that would immediately make her a social pariah to a great many, and that’s what females fear most of all and thus the real reason they appear to be proud of their culture and people. In other words, it’s a second degree effect, not innate.

    If the dominant culture morphs into one of social liberalism akin to those seen in present day western Europe, then you can bet your ass the females would start virtue signalling their tolerance and moral righteousness in the name of diversity.

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    You are wrong. Only white western women are fully on board with cultural cleansing their country. Yes all women like to virtue signal but the recent woman head honcho won because she is more anti China than the KMT candidate. Taiwanese of both sexes hate the idea of being flooded by other Chinese from the PRC. That alone would stop them from opening the borders. Chinese also see themselves as a superior race which doesn't lend itself to flooding the country with other races.
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  97. reezy says:
    @denk
    *But if Chinese people are so smart and capable, why is Chinese government so crappy?*

    when ccp took over from kmt in 1949, china was a fourth world country, today its the worlds' 2nd largest economy.

    china in 1949 had no industry worth mentioning, zero, none, nada, zilch.
    even something as humble as household nails had to be imported, today its a rising space explorer.

    by lifting 600m people out of poverty from 2000-2015, china almost single handedly helped un to achieve its Millennium Poverty Reduction goals.

    not bad, not bad at all for a 'crappy' govn !


    during the same period,

    usg started 200+ wars,
    hollowed out the us industries,
    decimated the middle class,
    incurred a debt of 20trillion....

    not a mean feat that !

    When Mr. Derbyshire posed the question “why is Chinese government so crappy?”, I’d imagine he was referring more to the social-political aspect, i.e. democracy, freedom, censorship, etc. As if these are the things most people, especially non-Westerners (ex. inbred peninsular Arabs would never ever be able to have a functioning democracy, nor do they want one of course; same goes for most sub-Saharan Africans) actually care about.

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    hmm...
    'democracy, freedom, censorship, etc.'

    im surprised u never mention 'human rights' ;-)
    i'd grant u the benefit of doubt that u havent read [95] when u post this !!!
    hehehehe
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  98. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Dear Mr. Derbyshire, (i tried to email earlier but i think it did not go thru and i had to re-do here. Apologies for this inconvenience) :
    Thank you for this informative piece. I especially enjoyed it. With your permission, pls allow me to share a couple of experiences :
    Over 2 decades ago, I had the privilege to visit the hills near Kaohsiung for 2 weeks. The villagers I met were warm and friendly. The elders and small children were mostly about as the youth had gone to the cities to live and work. I was welcomed by the good folks in the villages I visited. I think its possibly because I spoke the local dialect. The Taiwanese are very welcoming folks, even in Taipei where I spent a couple of days. I think the fact I tried to assimilate helped in making my experience a pleasant one.
    On a second and not necessarily unrelated experience, I was on a train from Shanghai to Nanjing nearly 13 years ago. I decided to go “economical class” to learn and observe the average folks in the journey. By the time I boarded, the train car was packed like a sardine can. I stood in a corner, in my suit and tie, and with my luggage. All eyes were on me, the only apparent non-Chinese. Once the train moved, a group of youth grabbed my arm and invited me to sit down on an empty seat they had just vacated. I thanked them but declined the kind offer. Then another group down the aisle pulled my arm to another vacated seat and sat me down. They requested to teach them English. I didn’t know what to say, especially since I was not a teacher in any way. In any event, i sat down and opened my laptop and begun English lesson 101 with about 12 very motivated students standing around and sitting beside me. Over the course of the 4 hour journey, i managed to learn a little about these fine youth of China’s. They were engineering students. Every one of them informed me their dream was to study engineering and business in America. I enquired as to what they would do with their US college education? Every one said she would stay in the US and work to send money home to her family. None thought of returning to China to work. I got the sense then that this was the dream of youth everywhere in the developing countries – to go to the US/West and pursue their ambitions. That could be because in their idealistic minds, the US represented individual emancipation. I could relate to their dreams as i too had received my college education in the US, years before. Its liberating environment was a magnet to youth everywhere who had a dream.

    I offered each student a US dollar note. I proposed to them to paste it on the wall beside their bed at home as a daily reminder to pursue their dream. The youth of China, Taiwan, Vietnam, etc all share the same dream – they just want to be allowed to be themselves and to live their dreams. This is something authoritarian societies are unable to appreciate – Be yourself, and not what others want you to be.

    Thank you.
    David’s father

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    I don't know if I totally agree, David's father.

    Individual emancipation? Perhaps. But its actually a culturally very defunct place.

    I returned to China in 2015 and I've not regretted it; I suspect that a great deal of other Chinese feel the same way. There's something truly spiritual and emotional about being able to feel okay with yourself, and trying to build something great with your tribe.
    , @GiantMonkey
    Maybe the reason they treated you well is because you were a novelty? I doubt they would be so welcoming if they were getting displaced by millions of immigrants every year.
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  99. Rohirrim says:

    Because of its location I would never describe the Statue of Liberty as a “central landmark”.

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  100. colm says:
    @siberiancat
    Russian Tsar Nicolas II had been to Japan in his youth, and actually been attacked by a Japanese policeman:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%8Ctsu_incident
    Somehow I doubt that he thought of the Japanese as effeminate

    If the Japanese policeman’s swordmanship was better, we would not have to worry about Rasputin, Lenin and all other crap since Nick’s less tolerant brother Michael would have become the Czar.

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  101. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Anonymous
    Dear Mr. Derbyshire, (i tried to email earlier but i think it did not go thru and i had to re-do here. Apologies for this inconvenience) :
    Thank you for this informative piece. I especially enjoyed it. With your permission, pls allow me to share a couple of experiences :
    Over 2 decades ago, I had the privilege to visit the hills near Kaohsiung for 2 weeks. The villagers I met were warm and friendly. The elders and small children were mostly about as the youth had gone to the cities to live and work. I was welcomed by the good folks in the villages I visited. I think its possibly because I spoke the local dialect. The Taiwanese are very welcoming folks, even in Taipei where I spent a couple of days. I think the fact I tried to assimilate helped in making my experience a pleasant one.
    On a second and not necessarily unrelated experience, I was on a train from Shanghai to Nanjing nearly 13 years ago. I decided to go "economical class" to learn and observe the average folks in the journey. By the time I boarded, the train car was packed like a sardine can. I stood in a corner, in my suit and tie, and with my luggage. All eyes were on me, the only apparent non-Chinese. Once the train moved, a group of youth grabbed my arm and invited me to sit down on an empty seat they had just vacated. I thanked them but declined the kind offer. Then another group down the aisle pulled my arm to another vacated seat and sat me down. They requested to teach them English. I didn't know what to say, especially since I was not a teacher in any way. In any event, i sat down and opened my laptop and begun English lesson 101 with about 12 very motivated students standing around and sitting beside me. Over the course of the 4 hour journey, i managed to learn a little about these fine youth of China's. They were engineering students. Every one of them informed me their dream was to study engineering and business in America. I enquired as to what they would do with their US college education? Every one said she would stay in the US and work to send money home to her family. None thought of returning to China to work. I got the sense then that this was the dream of youth everywhere in the developing countries - to go to the US/West and pursue their ambitions. That could be because in their idealistic minds, the US represented individual emancipation. I could relate to their dreams as i too had received my college education in the US, years before. Its liberating environment was a magnet to youth everywhere who had a dream.

    I offered each student a US dollar note. I proposed to them to paste it on the wall beside their bed at home as a daily reminder to pursue their dream. The youth of China, Taiwan, Vietnam, etc all share the same dream - they just want to be allowed to be themselves and to live their dreams. This is something authoritarian societies are unable to appreciate - Be yourself, and not what others want you to be.

    Thank you.
    David's father

    I don’t know if I totally agree, David’s father.

    Individual emancipation? Perhaps. But its actually a culturally very defunct place.

    I returned to China in 2015 and I’ve not regretted it; I suspect that a great deal of other Chinese feel the same way. There’s something truly spiritual and emotional about being able to feel okay with yourself, and trying to build something great with your tribe.

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  102. denk says:
    @reezy
    When Mr. Derbyshire posed the question "why is Chinese government so crappy?", I'd imagine he was referring more to the social-political aspect, i.e. democracy, freedom, censorship, etc. As if these are the things most people, especially non-Westerners (ex. inbred peninsular Arabs would never ever be able to have a functioning democracy, nor do they want one of course; same goes for most sub-Saharan Africans) actually care about.

    hmm…
    democracy, freedom, censorship, etc.’

    im surprised u never mention ‘human rights;-)
    i’d grant u the benefit of doubt that u havent read [95] when u post this !!!
    hehehehe

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  103. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Dear Derb- a couple of observations from someone who lived in Taiwan for many years. The term for a native Taiwanese is not neisheng (內省) but bensheng (本省). And the fourth language you hear on the subway platform is Hakka not Cantonese.

    Regards.

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  104. @Curle

    since 99.99% of humanity share the same genetic makeup there is no fundamental difference between the races.
     
    The following may help clear up some of your confusion on this point.

    http://www.unz.com/gnxp/r-a-fisher-on-race-and-human-genetic-variation/

    I’ve bookmarked without reading your link but presume it makes clear that it is the few genes shared only or mostly in the extended families we may call races that make a big enough difference for us to think the identifiable racial groupings make sense. It is is pity that perception of skin colour has dominated so many people’s thinking but that doesn’t affect the fuzzy edged reality.

    A somewhat analogous logical fallacy is to insist on abortions being made illegal because they involve the destruction of human life. Setting aside the fact that criminal law historically defined murder by reference to born human brings the attempt to derive a criminal law from the early misconceptions of Thomas Aquinas and millions of other Christians since depends on not understanding that zygotes, blastocysts, embryos etc are not “life” or “lives” objectively for the purposes of framing or obeying moral rules. They are just what they physically are and applying words like “life” is just a choice we make for its use in a particular context and not ipso facto validly used in all contexts. Nothing wrong with saying that mammalian life would be extinguished if every embryo was destroyed at 5 days from conception but that doesn’t help the antiabortion argument based on “life”.

    Similarly it doesn’t help Binyamin’s argument to *choose* to regard all of the 99.99 per cent of genes (and their epigenetics presumably) as if they all were identical value counters.

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  105. And allow me to test Binyamin on the facts as well. What proportion of Neanderthal genes are there on average in the various Eurasian peoples? (Thete are mone in the Africans).

    What proportion of Australian Aboriginal genes are Denisovan and who else in what proportion share them?

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  106. @Binyamin
    Mr. Derbyshire, may I call you John? I wonder how you ended up being a race realist and a white nationalist? In your previous incarnation, you used to write excellent popular books on Mathematics. I read and thoroughly enjoyed your book 'The Prime Obsession'. This is the only book which provided me with (an albeit rudimentary) knowledge of Riemann Zeta Function. I lost my original copy and reread it line by line several years later, having ordered my second copy from Amazon. If you had carried on writing popular Maths books which are as good as 'The Prime Obsession' you might have become one of America's premier science writer. Something happened inside you and you gave up the lucrative world of science writing and joined the crowed of those whose heart is filled with hate- the white supremacists . I know, I know, you would say you are a race realist but to me (and most decent people I know) there is a thin line separating race realism, white nationalism and white supremacy. It is funny how many white nationalists currently in US are immigrants like yourself or even recent immigrants (many from Eastern Europe) and none of you lot seem to notice the irony.

    Fortunately anyone can be redeemed. You are a mathematician hence trained to think logically. Therefore it will be great if you can see the light and realize that since 99.99% of humanity share the same genetic makeup there is no fundamental difference between the races. Race is a social and cultural construct and yes, culture is important. How else can you explain that a 'white' person born in southern Greece or Italy is often of darker complexion than the average North Indian or Central Asian.

    It would be great if you can write another popular Maths book and I have a suggestion for you. I have been researching Ramanujan, the self taught Indian Maths genius and have felt the only popular book ever written about him- 'The Man Who Knew Infinity' is inadequate. How about writing a book or even a series of articles about Ramanujan? Even if this means going to South India and getting to know the culture and way of life of a dark skinned people. Perhaps it might even redeem you.

    In case you are wondering, no I am not a Cultural Marxist (whatever that might mean). I am a libertarian of conservative leaning.

    See $104 and #105

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  107. @Undocumented Shopper
    "Well humans and bananas shared 50% of the genetic makeup do you think a banana is half a human?"

    This issue was addressed in the past by John Derbyshire himself:

    The BBC reports that 75 percent of our genetic makeup is the same as that of the common pumpkin. Presumably this is why the word “pumpkin” ends with “kin.” But wait — what is that fluttering of gossamer wings I hear! Why, it’s the Muse…
    Lines in Appreciation of Genetic Propinquity by John Derbyshire
    A certain young hillbilly bumpkin
    Was caught having sex with a pumpkin.
    When arrested he swore:
    “What’s all this fuss for?
    Where I’m from, it’s okay to hump kin!”

    Source: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/82353/down-pumpkin-patch-john-derbyshire

    Don’t broadcast it: I’ve been handing out JD’s head to head contest entry with Robert Conquest (worthy of that anyway) for years on a one to one basis.

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  108. TheBoom says:
    @reezy

    Chinese (even the women) are proud of their culture and have nothing to gain socially by supporting ethnic and cultural cleansing.
     
    That's because the dominant culture as dictated by the men is one where strong nationalism is valued. Therefore it would be detrimental for women to go against the grain, as that would immediately make her a social pariah to a great many, and that's what females fear most of all and thus the real reason they appear to be proud of their culture and people. In other words, it's a second degree effect, not innate.

    If the dominant culture morphs into one of social liberalism akin to those seen in present day western Europe, then you can bet your ass the females would start virtue signalling their tolerance and moral righteousness in the name of diversity.

    You are wrong. Only white western women are fully on board with cultural cleansing their country. Yes all women like to virtue signal but the recent woman head honcho won because she is more anti China than the KMT candidate. Taiwanese of both sexes hate the idea of being flooded by other Chinese from the PRC. That alone would stop them from opening the borders. Chinese also see themselves as a superior race which doesn’t lend itself to flooding the country with other races.

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  109. Clyde says:
    @Duke of Qin
    Then you don't know the Chinese very well.

    The very term Han Chauvinism was coined by Mao no less.

    More modern examples are just a google search away. Try searching for "Chinese Privilege" and you get to enjoy wonderful examples such as the following.

    "To My Dear Fellow Singapore Chinese: Shut Up When a Minority is Talking about Race"

    Singapore is the most "Westernized" Chinese polity, hence it is also the most self destructive.

    Massive racial alien immigration - check.
    Abysmal native birth rates - check.
    Dark skinned race hustlers - check.
    Entitled invaders claiming they are responsible for everything good - check.
    Government hell bent on advocating political correctness and racial "harmony" - check.
    Assorted bourgeois intellectuals and tumblrista decrying privilege - check.

    The preconditions for full blown sjw outbreak is already present in Hong Kong and Taiwan. It's just that there are fewer dysfunctional brown helots to make martyrs out of there. English Tsai is just another example of the insidious nature of leftism which has seized the prestige points in the West to move their societies ever leftward. Though unlike Fauxcahontas, this cat lady actually does have some aboriginal ancestry.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsai_Ing-wen she does not look part aboriginal/ How many cats?

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  110. Clyde says:
    @Undocumented Shopper
    "Well humans and bananas shared 50% of the genetic makeup do you think a banana is half a human?"

    This issue was addressed in the past by John Derbyshire himself:

    The BBC reports that 75 percent of our genetic makeup is the same as that of the common pumpkin. Presumably this is why the word “pumpkin” ends with “kin.” But wait — what is that fluttering of gossamer wings I hear! Why, it’s the Muse…
    Lines in Appreciation of Genetic Propinquity by John Derbyshire
    A certain young hillbilly bumpkin
    Was caught having sex with a pumpkin.
    When arrested he swore:
    “What’s all this fuss for?
    Where I’m from, it’s okay to hump kin!”

    Source: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/82353/down-pumpkin-patch-john-derbyshire

    How witty is this from the so called Derbyshire!! I guessed 2004 and I was right.

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  111. @Hepp
    I've met foreign students from Korea and China, and I've tried to probe them about their attitudes towards race and gender to see whether they're actually all that different. As far as I can tell, they are no better than your typical Western college student on these things. These students aren't representative, but it's generally the elite who study abroad.

    East Asians followed the West before, with some countries accepting communism and others moving towards democratic capitalism. They'll probably follow them on the road to Cultural Marxism. There's probably more hope for China than South Korea, as China is a dictatorship with a leadership that appreciates how dangerous liberalism is.

    Do you really think that Chinese people would tell you that they think [your race] is inferior to theirs, if they so believed it?

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  112. @Anonymous
    Dear Mr. Derbyshire, (i tried to email earlier but i think it did not go thru and i had to re-do here. Apologies for this inconvenience) :
    Thank you for this informative piece. I especially enjoyed it. With your permission, pls allow me to share a couple of experiences :
    Over 2 decades ago, I had the privilege to visit the hills near Kaohsiung for 2 weeks. The villagers I met were warm and friendly. The elders and small children were mostly about as the youth had gone to the cities to live and work. I was welcomed by the good folks in the villages I visited. I think its possibly because I spoke the local dialect. The Taiwanese are very welcoming folks, even in Taipei where I spent a couple of days. I think the fact I tried to assimilate helped in making my experience a pleasant one.
    On a second and not necessarily unrelated experience, I was on a train from Shanghai to Nanjing nearly 13 years ago. I decided to go "economical class" to learn and observe the average folks in the journey. By the time I boarded, the train car was packed like a sardine can. I stood in a corner, in my suit and tie, and with my luggage. All eyes were on me, the only apparent non-Chinese. Once the train moved, a group of youth grabbed my arm and invited me to sit down on an empty seat they had just vacated. I thanked them but declined the kind offer. Then another group down the aisle pulled my arm to another vacated seat and sat me down. They requested to teach them English. I didn't know what to say, especially since I was not a teacher in any way. In any event, i sat down and opened my laptop and begun English lesson 101 with about 12 very motivated students standing around and sitting beside me. Over the course of the 4 hour journey, i managed to learn a little about these fine youth of China's. They were engineering students. Every one of them informed me their dream was to study engineering and business in America. I enquired as to what they would do with their US college education? Every one said she would stay in the US and work to send money home to her family. None thought of returning to China to work. I got the sense then that this was the dream of youth everywhere in the developing countries - to go to the US/West and pursue their ambitions. That could be because in their idealistic minds, the US represented individual emancipation. I could relate to their dreams as i too had received my college education in the US, years before. Its liberating environment was a magnet to youth everywhere who had a dream.

    I offered each student a US dollar note. I proposed to them to paste it on the wall beside their bed at home as a daily reminder to pursue their dream. The youth of China, Taiwan, Vietnam, etc all share the same dream - they just want to be allowed to be themselves and to live their dreams. This is something authoritarian societies are unable to appreciate - Be yourself, and not what others want you to be.

    Thank you.
    David's father

    Maybe the reason they treated you well is because you were a novelty? I doubt they would be so welcoming if they were getting displaced by millions of immigrants every year.

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  113. @Stonehands
    "...It’s just Christianity spreading its tentacles across the world, in disguise this time. The liberal obsession with national apologies is basically about making every country in the world have a sense of original sin, that they’re all sinners, and that they need salvation by taking refuge in the redeeming embrace of CultMarxism (aka secularized Christianity)"


    .Christians believe in the saving grace of Christs' blood sacrifice on the cross; which is sufficient for all who sincerely repent of mankind's innate lust for power [ original sin=the consequences of The Fall- spiritual death/separation from God ]

    I think you mean nationalized Christianity...

    Meh. I went to a Christian school, and like so many people who do this, the white guilting was unbelievably strong.

    Guilt is an integral part of Christianity, because repentance is an integral part of Christianity. Martin Luther was driven nearly insane by the traditions that taught him to stay in a state of constant, overwhelming guilt and repentance. His protestant reformation was an attempt to say “NO” to this, but the reality is that as long as Christianity has a doctrine of original sin, and as long as Christianity hinges on repentance, there will be a strong element of guilt.

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    Mankind's free- choice to sin in the garden of Eden is the foundational predicament of every soul
    born into this dimension- each with the possibility of redemption through Christ's gift of atonement.

    Satan's grasp on humanity comes through deception- the counterfeiting of Christ's assembly here
    on earth. Cathars, Albigensians and Waldensians are the most recent remnants who have flourished under oppression- whether it be from Roman Catholic imperialism or the harlotry of its state sponsored daughters, Lutheranism, Anglicism etc.

    What kind of lies were imprinted on your young mind that somehow "white guilting" has anything to do with Christianity?

    Perhaps I shouldn't expect much from one whose Nom de guerre is Giant Monkey.
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  114. @LKM

    Chinese people are so smart — so capable, so energetic, so damn smart. Why can’t they get the hang of rational, honest, consensual government?
     
    And which western governments would you describe using the bolded terms?

    I think Europe does well, on the whole. The problem there is the Europeans themselves.

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  115. @Binyamin
    Mr. Derbyshire, may I call you John? I wonder how you ended up being a race realist and a white nationalist? In your previous incarnation, you used to write excellent popular books on Mathematics. I read and thoroughly enjoyed your book 'The Prime Obsession'. This is the only book which provided me with (an albeit rudimentary) knowledge of Riemann Zeta Function. I lost my original copy and reread it line by line several years later, having ordered my second copy from Amazon. If you had carried on writing popular Maths books which are as good as 'The Prime Obsession' you might have become one of America's premier science writer. Something happened inside you and you gave up the lucrative world of science writing and joined the crowed of those whose heart is filled with hate- the white supremacists . I know, I know, you would say you are a race realist but to me (and most decent people I know) there is a thin line separating race realism, white nationalism and white supremacy. It is funny how many white nationalists currently in US are immigrants like yourself or even recent immigrants (many from Eastern Europe) and none of you lot seem to notice the irony.

    Fortunately anyone can be redeemed. You are a mathematician hence trained to think logically. Therefore it will be great if you can see the light and realize that since 99.99% of humanity share the same genetic makeup there is no fundamental difference between the races. Race is a social and cultural construct and yes, culture is important. How else can you explain that a 'white' person born in southern Greece or Italy is often of darker complexion than the average North Indian or Central Asian.

    It would be great if you can write another popular Maths book and I have a suggestion for you. I have been researching Ramanujan, the self taught Indian Maths genius and have felt the only popular book ever written about him- 'The Man Who Knew Infinity' is inadequate. How about writing a book or even a series of articles about Ramanujan? Even if this means going to South India and getting to know the culture and way of life of a dark skinned people. Perhaps it might even redeem you.

    In case you are wondering, no I am not a Cultural Marxist (whatever that might mean). I am a libertarian of conservative leaning.

    The ultimate answer is that there is this thing called heritage, and it is extremely important to Derb, just like it is important to the Chinese. Are you going to tell the Chinese people that all people are the same as them, and that they should commit genocide against themselves through mass immigration in order to not commit a sin of unfairness and “irrationality?”

    Many of your arguments are picked apart by others, but let’s have real talk. Race and human cultures are part myth, part science. That is okay. Our emotions did not evolve to be logic. And if we are to be happy, fulfilled people, we had better act in line with our emotional nature.

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  116. Oldtimer says:
    @Artemisia
    Mr. Derbyshire,

    I always appreciate your unfailing intelligence, good sense and respect for facts.

    Keep it up!

    As an admirer of Chinese civilization, though, one thing always makes me cringe. Maybe you can provide some insight, given your deep knowledge of the region.

    Why are the Chinese (and other East Asians) so appallingly cruel to animals?

    (I am an omnivore, by the way...)

    Cruel to animals? You obviously haven’t ever been to a Taiwan pet store. Or seen middle-aged Taiwanese ladies who compensate for Empty Nest Syndrome by going for walks with their puppy in a stroller.

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  117. @GiantMonkey
    Meh. I went to a Christian school, and like so many people who do this, the white guilting was unbelievably strong.

    Guilt is an integral part of Christianity, because repentance is an integral part of Christianity. Martin Luther was driven nearly insane by the traditions that taught him to stay in a state of constant, overwhelming guilt and repentance. His protestant reformation was an attempt to say "NO" to this, but the reality is that as long as Christianity has a doctrine of original sin, and as long as Christianity hinges on repentance, there will be a strong element of guilt.

    Mankind’s free- choice to sin in the garden of Eden is the foundational predicament of every soul
    born into this dimension- each with the possibility of redemption through Christ’s gift of atonement.

    Satan’s grasp on humanity comes through deception- the counterfeiting of Christ’s assembly here
    on earth. Cathars, Albigensians and Waldensians are the most recent remnants who have flourished under oppression- whether it be from Roman Catholic imperialism or the harlotry of its state sponsored daughters, Lutheranism, Anglicism etc.

    What kind of lies were imprinted on your young mind that somehow “white guilting” has anything to do with Christianity?

    Perhaps I shouldn’t expect much from one whose Nom de guerre is Giant Monkey.

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    (1) "Mankind" is the name of a set of willful beings, but the set itself has no will. In fact, it's not even a living thing, but instead a mental abstraction, a collection of definite distinct objects of our thoughts. So it's impossible for "Mankind" to make a choice, free or otherwise. The choice you claim was made by two members of the set, not by the abstraction or any members added to the abstraction.

    So, even if we stopped right here, we would have enough to know that your precious Christianity trades on churlish old rhetorical tricks like guilt by association and the manipulation of emotion by inducing unwarranted feelings of guilt. Secular humanists, too, know and use these tricks, and we should suspect that they learned them at the feet of the Christian minister and those under his spell.

    (2) Not even in your sect is it true that originated original sin is, or ever was, the "foundational predicament of EVERY soul born into this dimension". Neither Adam nor Eve were born with the affliction you allege. So now we know that you don't understand the rudiments of Christianity.

    (3) Your alleged god's alleged omnipotence implies the ability to make new humans, e.g. Cain, Abel, Seth, etc., without the contamination of originated original sin. Its alleged love implies willingness to make them without sin---just as its supposed to have made Adam and Eve without sin. According to you, however, the god failed to do so.

    The contradiction can be easily escaped by abandoning the assumption that there ever was original sin, which is really just an invidious distortion of innate human imperfection.

    (4) Satan would have had no "grasp upon humanity" if your alleged god had taken reasonable precautions. For example, it could have killed Satan long before making Adam and Eve. (Omniscience implies ability to predict the future accurately, thus knowing the threat posed by Satan. Omnipotence implies ability to kill Satan. And so on.)

    Another possible solution to the Satan problem is to erect the cosmic equivalent of a high wall, electric fence, barbed wire, mine fields, machine gun nests, anti-aircraft guns, and so on to deter Satan, to keep him away from Eden. (And why don't we add some pit bulls inside the perimeter, just in case?) But no. So it's evident that your god is negligent, at best, and negligent gods deserve our contempt, not respect.

    (5) The alleged ascension of JC, supposedly "the concluding work of redemption" (Hardon, SJ), has been shown to be impossible by physics and astronomy. This result should not be a surprise, however. The notion of removing a body---a spatiotemporal object---from the domain of space and time leads to the paradox of not having a place for it at all. If you reply that the body is in "Heaven", you imply that heaven is spatiotemporal, which is just what we should expect your ideal world to be given Christianity's strange fetish for the human body.

    But maybe the body of JC was turned into its own island universe, completely separate from this one or any other domain! Drawbacks of this approach include blindness, for there would be literally nothing in front of the eyes. Also, the body will have acute cooling problems, for there is no way to radiate heat away from itself without some space external to the body, and there will be plenty of heat production if it's still alive.

    (6) Isn't it more likely true that "GiantMonkey" is a nom de plume?
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    I think that up to 1/3 or 1/4 of East Asian women would be open to dating blacks of not for parental disapproval, this is what I got from visiting online dating boards.

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  119. Allan says:
    @Stonehands
    Mankind's free- choice to sin in the garden of Eden is the foundational predicament of every soul
    born into this dimension- each with the possibility of redemption through Christ's gift of atonement.

    Satan's grasp on humanity comes through deception- the counterfeiting of Christ's assembly here
    on earth. Cathars, Albigensians and Waldensians are the most recent remnants who have flourished under oppression- whether it be from Roman Catholic imperialism or the harlotry of its state sponsored daughters, Lutheranism, Anglicism etc.

    What kind of lies were imprinted on your young mind that somehow "white guilting" has anything to do with Christianity?

    Perhaps I shouldn't expect much from one whose Nom de guerre is Giant Monkey.

    (1) “Mankind” is the name of a set of willful beings, but the set itself has no will. In fact, it’s not even a living thing, but instead a mental abstraction, a collection of definite distinct objects of our thoughts. So it’s impossible for “Mankind” to make a choice, free or otherwise. The choice you claim was made by two members of the set, not by the abstraction or any members added to the abstraction.

    So, even if we stopped right here, we would have enough to know that your precious Christianity trades on churlish old rhetorical tricks like guilt by association and the manipulation of emotion by inducing unwarranted feelings of guilt. Secular humanists, too, know and use these tricks, and we should suspect that they learned them at the feet of the Christian minister and those under his spell.

    (2) Not even in your sect is it true that originated original sin is, or ever was, the “foundational predicament of EVERY soul born into this dimension”. Neither Adam nor Eve were born with the affliction you allege. So now we know that you don’t understand the rudiments of Christianity.

    [MORE]

    (3) Your alleged god’s alleged omnipotence implies the ability to make new humans, e.g. Cain, Abel, Seth, etc., without the contamination of originated original sin. Its alleged love implies willingness to make them without sin—just as its supposed to have made Adam and Eve without sin. According to you, however, the god failed to do so.

    The contradiction can be easily escaped by abandoning the assumption that there ever was original sin, which is really just an invidious distortion of innate human imperfection.

    (4) Satan would have had no “grasp upon humanity” if your alleged god had taken reasonable precautions. For example, it could have killed Satan long before making Adam and Eve. (Omniscience implies ability to predict the future accurately, thus knowing the threat posed by Satan. Omnipotence implies ability to kill Satan. And so on.)

    Another possible solution to the Satan problem is to erect the cosmic equivalent of a high wall, electric fence, barbed wire, mine fields, machine gun nests, anti-aircraft guns, and so on to deter Satan, to keep him away from Eden. (And why don’t we add some pit bulls inside the perimeter, just in case?) But no. So it’s evident that your god is negligent, at best, and negligent gods deserve our contempt, not respect.

    (5) The alleged ascension of JC, supposedly “the concluding work of redemption” (Hardon, SJ), has been shown to be impossible by physics and astronomy. This result should not be a surprise, however. The notion of removing a body—a spatiotemporal object—from the domain of space and time leads to the paradox of not having a place for it at all. If you reply that the body is in “Heaven”, you imply that heaven is spatiotemporal, which is just what we should expect your ideal world to be given Christianity’s strange fetish for the human body.

    But maybe the body of JC was turned into its own island universe, completely separate from this one or any other domain! Drawbacks of this approach include blindness, for there would be literally nothing in front of the eyes. Also, the body will have acute cooling problems, for there is no way to radiate heat away from itself without some space external to the body, and there will be plenty of heat production if it’s still alive.

    (6) Isn’t it more likely true that “GiantMonkey” is a nom de plume?

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    “The choice you claim was made by two members of the set, not by the abstraction or any members added to the abstraction.”

    They were the set- there were no other members to even conceive of.

    “So, even if we stopped right here, we would have enough to know that your precious Christianity trades on churlish old rhetorical tricks like guilt by association and the manipulation of emotion….”

    Look all around you. Nihilism is a raging river in the U.S.- Gangsta Rap.. Thug Culture..Baby Momma’s…
    Lifestyles promoted by the “Nobles” who are obliged to do better by their lesser brethren; but instead- are out to make a quick buck at the expense of everyone’s integrity.
    There is no guilt by association here, this is Mankind’s default setting, depravity.

    “(2) Not even in your sect is it true that originated original sin is, or ever was, the “foundational predicament of EVERY soul born into this dimension”. Neither Adam nor Eve were born with the affliction you allege. So now we know that you don’t understand the rudiments of Christianity.”

    The Garden of Eden existence of Adam and Eve was not the same as their existence after they were evicted from Eden -due to their free-choice to sin. Spiritual death is the consequence of the Fall. WE are born in this [Dimension] condition- spiritually dead.

    “Another possible solution to the Satan problem is to erect the cosmic equivalent of a high wall, electric fence, barbed wire, mine fields, machine gun nests, anti-aircraft guns, and so on to deter Satan, to keep him away from Eden. (And why don’t we add some pit bulls inside the perimeter, just in case?) But no. So it’s evident that your god is negligent, at best, and negligent gods deserve our contempt, not respect.”

    He who won’t be governed by God, will be ruled by Tyrants.

    And…..

    The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God.

    P.S.

    Nom de guerre is the sarcastic form of Nom de plume
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  120. “The choice you claim was made by two members of the set, not by the abstraction or any members added to the abstraction.”

    They were the set- there were no other members to even conceive of.

    “So, even if we stopped right here, we would have enough to know that your precious Christianity trades on churlish old rhetorical tricks like guilt by association and the manipulation of emotion….”

    Look all around you. Nihilism is a raging river in the U.S.- Gangsta Rap.. Thug Culture..Baby Momma’s…
    Lifestyles promoted by the “Nobles” who are obliged to do better by their lesser brethren; but instead- are out to make a quick buck at the expense of everyone’s integrity.
    There is no guilt by association here, this is Mankind’s default setting, depravity.

    “(2) Not even in your sect is it true that originated original sin is, or ever was, the “foundational predicament of EVERY soul born into this dimension”. Neither Adam nor Eve were born with the affliction you allege. So now we know that you don’t understand the rudiments of Christianity.”

    The Garden of Eden existence of Adam and Eve was not the same as their existence after they were evicted from Eden -due to their free-choice to sin. Spiritual death is the consequence of the Fall. WE are born in this [Dimension] condition- spiritually dead.

    “Another possible solution to the Satan problem is to erect the cosmic equivalent of a high wall, electric fence, barbed wire, mine fields, machine gun nests, anti-aircraft guns, and so on to deter Satan, to keep him away from Eden. (And why don’t we add some pit bulls inside the perimeter, just in case?) But no. So it’s evident that your god is negligent, at best, and negligent gods deserve our contempt, not respect.”

    He who won’t be governed by God, will be ruled by Tyrants.

    And…..

    A fool in his HEART says their is no God.

    P.S.

    Nom de guerre is the sarcastic form of Nom de plume

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  121. @Allan
    (1) "Mankind" is the name of a set of willful beings, but the set itself has no will. In fact, it's not even a living thing, but instead a mental abstraction, a collection of definite distinct objects of our thoughts. So it's impossible for "Mankind" to make a choice, free or otherwise. The choice you claim was made by two members of the set, not by the abstraction or any members added to the abstraction.

    So, even if we stopped right here, we would have enough to know that your precious Christianity trades on churlish old rhetorical tricks like guilt by association and the manipulation of emotion by inducing unwarranted feelings of guilt. Secular humanists, too, know and use these tricks, and we should suspect that they learned them at the feet of the Christian minister and those under his spell.

    (2) Not even in your sect is it true that originated original sin is, or ever was, the "foundational predicament of EVERY soul born into this dimension". Neither Adam nor Eve were born with the affliction you allege. So now we know that you don't understand the rudiments of Christianity.

    (3) Your alleged god's alleged omnipotence implies the ability to make new humans, e.g. Cain, Abel, Seth, etc., without the contamination of originated original sin. Its alleged love implies willingness to make them without sin---just as its supposed to have made Adam and Eve without sin. According to you, however, the god failed to do so.

    The contradiction can be easily escaped by abandoning the assumption that there ever was original sin, which is really just an invidious distortion of innate human imperfection.

    (4) Satan would have had no "grasp upon humanity" if your alleged god had taken reasonable precautions. For example, it could have killed Satan long before making Adam and Eve. (Omniscience implies ability to predict the future accurately, thus knowing the threat posed by Satan. Omnipotence implies ability to kill Satan. And so on.)

    Another possible solution to the Satan problem is to erect the cosmic equivalent of a high wall, electric fence, barbed wire, mine fields, machine gun nests, anti-aircraft guns, and so on to deter Satan, to keep him away from Eden. (And why don't we add some pit bulls inside the perimeter, just in case?) But no. So it's evident that your god is negligent, at best, and negligent gods deserve our contempt, not respect.

    (5) The alleged ascension of JC, supposedly "the concluding work of redemption" (Hardon, SJ), has been shown to be impossible by physics and astronomy. This result should not be a surprise, however. The notion of removing a body---a spatiotemporal object---from the domain of space and time leads to the paradox of not having a place for it at all. If you reply that the body is in "Heaven", you imply that heaven is spatiotemporal, which is just what we should expect your ideal world to be given Christianity's strange fetish for the human body.

    But maybe the body of JC was turned into its own island universe, completely separate from this one or any other domain! Drawbacks of this approach include blindness, for there would be literally nothing in front of the eyes. Also, the body will have acute cooling problems, for there is no way to radiate heat away from itself without some space external to the body, and there will be plenty of heat production if it's still alive.

    (6) Isn't it more likely true that "GiantMonkey" is a nom de plume?

    “The choice you claim was made by two members of the set, not by the abstraction or any members added to the abstraction.”

    They were the set- there were no other members to even conceive of.

    “So, even if we stopped right here, we would have enough to know that your precious Christianity trades on churlish old rhetorical tricks like guilt by association and the manipulation of emotion….”

    Look all around you. Nihilism is a raging river in the U.S.- Gangsta Rap.. Thug Culture..Baby Momma’s…
    Lifestyles promoted by the “Nobles” who are obliged to do better by their lesser brethren; but instead- are out to make a quick buck at the expense of everyone’s integrity.
    There is no guilt by association here, this is Mankind’s default setting, depravity.

    “(2) Not even in your sect is it true that originated original sin is, or ever was, the “foundational predicament of EVERY soul born into this dimension”. Neither Adam nor Eve were born with the affliction you allege. So now we know that you don’t understand the rudiments of Christianity.”

    The Garden of Eden existence of Adam and Eve was not the same as their existence after they were evicted from Eden -due to their free-choice to sin. Spiritual death is the consequence of the Fall. WE are born in this [Dimension] condition- spiritually dead.

    “Another possible solution to the Satan problem is to erect the cosmic equivalent of a high wall, electric fence, barbed wire, mine fields, machine gun nests, anti-aircraft guns, and so on to deter Satan, to keep him away from Eden. (And why don’t we add some pit bulls inside the perimeter, just in case?) But no. So it’s evident that your god is negligent, at best, and negligent gods deserve our contempt, not respect.”

    He who won’t be governed by God, will be ruled by Tyrants.

    And…..

    The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God.

    P.S.

    Nom de guerre is the sarcastic form of Nom de plume

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  122. reezy says:
    @Duke of Qin
    Then you don't know the Chinese very well.

    The very term Han Chauvinism was coined by Mao no less.

    More modern examples are just a google search away. Try searching for "Chinese Privilege" and you get to enjoy wonderful examples such as the following.

    "To My Dear Fellow Singapore Chinese: Shut Up When a Minority is Talking about Race"

    Singapore is the most "Westernized" Chinese polity, hence it is also the most self destructive.

    Massive racial alien immigration - check.
    Abysmal native birth rates - check.
    Dark skinned race hustlers - check.
    Entitled invaders claiming they are responsible for everything good - check.
    Government hell bent on advocating political correctness and racial "harmony" - check.
    Assorted bourgeois intellectuals and tumblrista decrying privilege - check.

    The preconditions for full blown sjw outbreak is already present in Hong Kong and Taiwan. It's just that there are fewer dysfunctional brown helots to make martyrs out of there. English Tsai is just another example of the insidious nature of leftism which has seized the prestige points in the West to move their societies ever leftward. Though unlike Fauxcahontas, this cat lady actually does have some aboriginal ancestry.

    Massive racial alien immigration – check.
    Abysmal native birth rates – check.

    Well the first is a necessary consequence of the second, right? If they want to keep their economic engine well oiled that is.

    Dark skinned race hustlers – check.

    The Malays? Indians? Both?

    Entitled invaders claiming they are responsible for everything good – check.

    Now I’m lost. Most immigrants and expats to Singapore are skilled labors no?

    Government hell bent on advocating political correctness and racial “harmony” – check.

    LKY was very race aware AFAIK, so I’d thought his party the PAP, especially under his son would have at least tried to kept his wisdom in mind when forming policies. Or is the tide simply too strong?

    Assorted bourgeois intellectuals and tumblrista decrying privilege – check.

    This I’ve personally observed, so ya definitely believe you there.

    So goddamn, is Singapore actually that bad? Was seriously contemplating on living there for a couple years, since it’s a super developed nation with a predominantly Chinese population, which I am.

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  123. Mu says:

    NOBODY hates Taiwan — especially after visiting there and meeting the people. Even the Mainlanders who visit love it. It is the most American of all places in Asia. If people like you, you’ll know it. If they don’t, you’ll know it. Great people who have built a democracy and infrastructure that works as well or better than most. The never abandoned traditional Chinese values like the Mainlanders and they turned their backs on “strong leaders” like Singapore. Only a small-hands moron like the author could take exception to this island and its people.

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