The Unz Review - Mobile
A Collection of Interesting, Important, and Controversial Perspectives Largely Excluded from the American Mainstream Media
 John Derbyshire ArchiveBlogview
Corbyn Crazy–But Shows Anti-Establishment Fury Still Rising
couldhelookmorelikelenin-596x372
Search Text Case Sensitive  Exact Words  Include Comments

The really striking feature of the June 8 U.K. election was the relative success of the Labour Party under its leader Jeremy Corbyn.

This crazy old Lefty, who never saw a commie dictator or an anti-British terrorist he didn’t want to kiss up to, and who won the endorsement of the British Communist Party for Thursday’s election, somehow got forty percent of Brits to vote for him, five days after anti-British terrorists ran amok in the nation’s capital. What’s up with that?

To a person of my generation, who grew up in the Cold War, visited European communist countries, and lived for a year in communist China, Corbyn’s affection for the twentieth century’s greatest political blight is incomprehensible.

Corbyn is, in fact, of my generation—he’s four years younger than me—which makes it double incomprehensible. How did he miss noticing what a despotic horror show communism was?

Well, there is such a thing as being blinded by ideological passion, we all know that. Still the question remains: Why did forty percent of Brits vote for this whiskery old fool?

The polls show two big gaps between Tories and Labour in the voting: an enthusiasm gap, and an age gap [Election turnout: Labour gains seats where voter numbers increased more than 5 per cent, By Elizabeth Stromme and Ajay Nair, Express (UK), June 9, 2017]

A lot of people who normally wouldn’t bother to vote, did so on Thursday; and they voted Labour. Where turnout increased more than five percent, Labour won.

And a lot of people who were not registered to vote, did so. Most of these were young voters registering for the first time, and again they leaned heavily towards Labour.

Enthusiasm and youth. Well, the enthusiasm goes with Mrs. May’s total lack of charisma and her bungling on the campaign trail.

Also perhaps—I hope!—to her feeble, formulaic response to Saturday’s London Bridge atrocity.

She put on her angry face and told her countrymen that she was very upset and something or other would be done. The Brits must “deny safe spaces to the extremists,” and, quote, “assert the superiority of British values.” She said there needed to be “some difficult, and often embarrassing, conversations.”

Can’t you just see the jihadis trembling with fear? “Forget about trying to fit that suicide belt, Achmed. The Brits are going to make us have embarrassing conversations. We can’t fight against that!”

Meanwhile, the defenders of law and order hastened to warn Brits that they would crack down with maximum force on anyone who blamed Islam for the attack. London’s Mayor, Muslim-supremacist Sadiq Khan, snarled that

Just as the police will do everything possible to root out extremism from our city, so we will take a zero-tolerance approach to hate crime. If you witness a hate crime, please report it to the police. If you commit a hate crime, you face arrest.

Mayor Sadiq Khan reveals rise in hate crime in London after bridge attack,

By Mark Chandler, Evening Standard, June 7, 2017

Significantly, in the subsequent public quarrel between Khan and the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump, Prime Minister May sided with Khan.[ May Condemns Trump’s Attack on Khan as She Backs London Mayor, BloombergNews, June 5, 2017]

But as for the youth: What do young Brits know about the Cold War? What do they know about the horrors of Lenin, Stalin, and Mao? The artificial famines and mass killings, the slave-labor camps and torture chambers, the crushing of dissent and the endless official lying?

They don’t know anything, of course. Their school history lessons didn’t tell them anything about communism. The great evils of history, they were told, were British imperialism and the slave trade. Of twentieth-century totalitarianism, all they know is Hitlery-Hitlery Hitler Hitler Hitlery-Hitler.

There’s more than that going on, though—something deeper. Corbyn, like Donald Trump in the U.S.A. and Emmanuel Macron in France, is seen as an outsider—someone not part of the political establishment.

That’s perfectly bogus: Corbyn has never had a job outside politics. It’s bogus in Macron’s case, too: Macron was actually a cabinet officer in French government s. He had done some private-sector work, though, so the degree of bogosity there is less than Corbyn’s. Trump is the genuine article, a true outsider.

Appearance counts for everything in politics, though. As political as Corbyn has been all his life, he was a member of the Awkward Squad. He was never a political conformist and he never served in government. A great many Brits must have voted Labour on that basis: for a party led by a sort-of outsider, a person of principle.

The principles Corbyn is actually a person of are crazy, anti-human principles; but at least he’s not just a wind-up political bot, quacking out meaningless slogans in a threadbare political diction, like, well , Theresa May.

There is a deep, and I think rising political dissatisfaction all over the Western world. Last November’s election here in the U.S. was an expression of it. Sixty-three million Americans told the established political class: We don’t want you, we don’t trust you, we don’t like you. We’ll take a gamble on something different.

You’ve heard many, many times, I’m sure, that the political divide today is not Right versus Left but Nationalist versus Globalist.

That’s a part of it; and God knows, I wish it were more of it. The victory of globalist Macron over nationalist Le Pen in France shows, however, that there’s more in play.

Sure, Marine Le Pen is an outsider, too. She’s been around a while, though, while Macron was new, with a political party he’d invented himself out of whole cloth the year before. He was perceived as more the outsider.

Yes: nationalist v. globalist is part of it. So is age and experience v. youth and a bad haircut.

ORDER IT NOW

I suspect, though, that a bigger factor than either is the divide between those willing to go on giving power to our established political class and those who would be happy to see them swinging from lamp-posts along Whitehall, the Champs Élysées, or Constitution Avenue.

John Derbyshire [email him] writes an incredible amount on all sorts of subjects for all kinds of outlets. (This no longer includes National Review, whose editors had some kind of tantrum and fired him. ) He is the author of We Are Doomed: Reclaiming Conservative Pessimism and several other books. He’s had two books published by VDARE.com: FROM THE DISSIDENT RIGHT (also available in Kindle) and From the Dissident Right II: Essays 2013. His writings are archived at JohnDerbyshire.com.

(Republished from VDare.com by permission of author or representative)
 
Email This Page to Someone

 Remember My Information



=>
    []
  1. I occasionally read what this character types, wadding through a lot of muck to find a rare pearl of conservative thinking. This write up has none – there is not a single insight worth reading for. Communism bad, capitalism good is ok, but not worth reading for. Corbyn mostly bad but much better than totally worn out May, the same.

    I really wish there was a single good reason to read what was typed here. Just empty.

    Read More
    • Replies: @eD
    This column was a bit of a mess, but then so was the election.
    , @Mr. Anon

    I occasionally read what this character types, wadding through a lot of muck to find a rare pearl of conservative thinking.
     
    And yet nobody bothers to wade through what you write, nor cares what you think.
    , @anonymous-antiskynetist
    Can't wait till all these old cold warriors are pushing up daisies and we can have political discourse free of the tired dichotomies that were tired in 1960.
    , @mukat
    Sod off, ya wanker.

    Derbyshire's insight is: outsiders, both fake and real, continue to win.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc.
    AgreeDisagreeLOLTroll
    These buttons register your public Agreement, Disagreement, Troll, or LOL with the selected comment. They are ONLY available to recent, frequent commenters who have saved their Name+Email using the 'Remember My Information' checkbox, and may also ONLY be used once per hour.
    Sharing Comment via Twitter
    http://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/corbyn-crazy-but-shows-anti-establishment-fury-still-rising/#comment-1900860
    More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  2. labour got votes from
    labour ukippers who couldn’t vote tory for class reasons and who believe corbyn said he would brexit and reduce immigration
    youth who were pursued by labour with vigour on social media and who think politics is a branch of pop culture
    labour and tory voters who didnt want brexit

    but basically the wwc stuck two fingers up to the only person who said they would deliver brexit and now may has to carry on doing the job of brexit humiliated and with a huge handicap.

    the wwc have only themselves to blame for what happens next because they have behaved as ungrateful inverted snobs of the highest order.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
    ... and she also said terrizm was nothing to do with islam (till last week), sharia would be good for us, and the tsunami of random scab-tier immigration was absolutely nothing to do with her years and years in charge of it as Home Sec.

    Oh and she wants to shut down t'internet, on account of how it it solely to blame for radicalisation.

    The woman is a hopeless autistic cabbage, worse than Broon. And also from the 1950s, like him. Something went horribly wrong in higher education, round about Shirley Williams' time.

    Jeeebus no wonder Cressida just takes it out on random christian civilians. I would too. Bang bang yore ded. Look! I did something! You're all safe and comfy now.
    Because the wwc will never fight back.
    , @anon

    labour got votes from labour ukippers who couldn’t vote tory for class reasons and who believe corbyn said he would brexit and reduce immigration
     
    there's no evidence for this - it's just instinctive con class prejudice to blame wwc rather than SJW youth, immigrants or themselves

    1) cons did nothing about the growing political indoctrination in the schools which has spawned the SJW Red Guard

    2) cons imported millions of immigrants for cheap labor and now those immigrants are voting against the cons - as was always obvious they would

    3) May's dementia tax brought lots of usually apolitical people out to vote against her
  3. Pierre Gaxotte described the “protest voter” phenomenon already for the aftermath of the French Revolution, the “Directory” period. Masses of discontentend voters flocked to the altright, but when the altright was crushed by the government, next time these voters sought revenge by voting for the altleft – anything was better than the government (which had to save itself by abolishing democracy and installing Bonapartism).
    In a similar mind, many former UKIP voters seem to have voted for Labour (seeing that Corbyn was incessantly attacked by the Guardianistas and the rest of the “respectable Left”). And indeed – if we have only a choice between a workers’ Bolshevism and a High Finance Bolshevism, the former is much preferable.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Miro23

    In a similar mind, many former UKIP voters seem to have voted for Labour (seeing that Corbyn was incessantly attacked by the Guardianistas and the rest of the “respectable Left”). And indeed – if we have only a choice between a workers’ Bolshevism and a High Finance Bolshevism, the former is much preferable.
     
    Good comment. In the Nationalist/Globalist context the public have shown that they prefer traditional Nationalist Leftism rather than Blairite, Guardianista High Finance style "Leftism".

    If you had to categorize May, she would belong on the High Finance, Guardianista side, and it's difficult to exaggerate how much the UK public hate Tony Blair.
    , @Art
    And indeed – if we have only a choice between a workers’ Bolshevism and a High Finance Bolshevism, the former is much preferable.

    There is another choice – a third choice. It is direct cooperative ownership by the customers - customer Bolshevism if you will.

    Trains – government control and ownership provides costly and poor services – big bank ownership provides costly cattle car services – consumer cooperative ownership provides a balance determined by the customers.

    By using the train, you own the train – using it gives you a vote on how it is run – you chose equipment and management and schedules.

    The train will function for you – not the politicians and bureaucrats – not the greedy bankers in London town. The trains are legally and privately owned – they will still have to compete for customers. This violates no economic rules. There is no force used on anyone.

    There is nothing written in stone that says this cannot happen.

    Peace --- Art
  4. Like a lot of Unz writers and commentators, Derbyshire only notices what suits his thesis. The UK has been a core member of NATO since forever and it shows – years back a survey of schoolchildren revealed, if I remember rightly, that an actual majority thought Britain had fought Russia in two world wars. Not reality in the full sense but reflecting a good deal of Cold War conditioning. There were complaints that the survey showed history was poorly taught but in reality British kids were merely demonstrating that they watch Bond films with Russian villains, so they were in fact soaking up the lessons placed before them.

    Much of the British media were shrieking “Corbyn – Lenin, Stalin, Gulag AAAARRGGH!” even though Corbyn is so little like Stalin that he hasn’t even been able to discipline the openly disloyal in his own party. (The media in Britain are not as respected as they were decades ago, and the attacks on him probably gave Corbyn a certain “outsider” glamour, especially among young people.)

    The “whiskery old fool” was up against Baroness Dracula of Food Bank Britain, and that definitely counted for something.

    Read More
  5. “Just as the police will do everything possible to root out extremism from our city, so we will take a zero-tolerance approach to hate crime. ”

    Even the most right-wing mayor would have said the same thing, if he had any sense at all. Conservatives like you are supposed to understand human nature, Derb. Surely you know the kinda stuff he’s worried about?

    Did Rudy Giuliani behave any different after 9/11?

    Read More
  6. The disturbing trend, though, is the young (new voters) going for the likes of Corbyn, Macron, Trudeau Jr. and, previously, Obama. The young seem overwhelmingly left wing nowadays. More so than in my day. The Left’s total capture of academia and mass media is paying dividends at the ballot box.

    Corbyn seems to be a repeat of the Bernie Sanders experience in the USA.

    Read More
  7. Corbyn is the usual European socialist, unable to realise that globalism cannot be reconciled with socialism at home.

    Read More
    • Replies: @AM
    Socialism *almost* works, if you have zero immigration. Otherwise, it's people actively pulling bucks of water onto a sinking ship.
    , @Seamus Padraig

    Corbyn is the usual European socialist, unable to realise that globalism cannot be reconciled with socialism at home.
     
    What's interesting though, is that Corbyn once was opposed to the EU. Back in the 80s, there was still a large trade-unionist faction within Labour which, like Tony Benn, understood that the EU was to be a "union of bosses, not workers." Although Corbyn officially changed his position later on, many have even speculated that, at some deep level, he still is Euroskeptic. As evidence, they can now point out that his campaign against Brexit last year was so much more lackluster and unenthusiastic than his own election campaign last week.
  8. How came that after the war in which the British people fought as one the horrors of fascism, the same people discarded unceremoniously the man who led them to victory? Did they misunderstood the significance of the favorite gesture of the old man (showing the fingers)?

    Read More
    • Replies: @Wally
    What "horrors of fascism"? I doubt you know the meaning of the word 'fascism'.

    However, I suspect your are referring to your received history about WWII. In that case I have good news for you, 6M Jews were not killed.

    There were the ‘Nazis’ with the mythological '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' and there were the ‘Nazis’ without the mythological ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’.

    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here:
    http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com

    "To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize."
    , @Uebersetzer
    Because the last general election had been in 1935 (the war prevented it being held earlier than 1945), Churchill was associated with an old order that had failed and had also presided over the Depression, and Labour offered a popular welfare state.
    There were by-elections held during the war and although an electoral truce prevented mainstream parties challenging incumbents, mavericks, often left-wing, stood and frequently polled well, even winning some by-elections. There were hints the electorate was swinging to the left.
    , @Anonym
    Not sure if serious.

    Churchill singlehandedly destroyed the Empire, bankrupted Britain, and firebombed the biggest opposition to Communism in Europe.
  9. So what is really going on is that Macron and Corbyn are not really outsiders…they are simply less familiar to the general public.

    God help the general public.

    Read More
  10. If the Jews don’t like him that’s good enough for me.

    Read More
    • Agree: Felix Keverich
    • Replies: @anonymous
    Jews don't like him but Muslims do. Who is forming grooming gangs and pimping out thousands of Christian girls all over UK ? Who is having on average 4 children per couple and raising them in UK with the tax money produced by native UK Christians ? UK is subsidizing their own takeover by Islam . But if you are happy to cut off your nose to spite your face that's ok by me , white boy !!!!!!!!!
    , @DaveE
    "If the Jews don’t like him that’s good enough for me."

    Me too. Judge a politician not on their professed party loyalty, it means absolutely nothing, in the world outside academia.

    Judge a politician ONLY on his level of subservience to the Jewish mafia and the zionist agenda. You will make the right call 99.97% of the time.

    I thought this was one of the more balanced of Derbyshire's essays that I've read, although I usually skip them.
  11. Lots of laughs – and insights, too – – thank you.

    People didn’t read Martin Amis, “Koba the Dread” I guess, and they might not be taught about Issiah (uff) Berlin either in Britain.

    And Arthur Koestler, Solschenizyn, Viktor Suworow, Hannah Arendt – none of that stuff.

    I’m a little astonished that you don’t discuss the meltdwon of UKIP.

    Read More
  12. I guess Brits were not so keen on ‘Strong and Stable’ government and actually want a ‘Coalition of Chaos’. After all that is what May was really offering England as second generation Islamic immigrants were free to run amok in the streets while their own free speech was severely constrained. That and ‘free tuition’ is as popular with students as ‘means testing is unpopular with pensioners. Fiscal rectitude doesn’t seem to be a vote getter right now.

    Of some note to me is the utter powerlessness of British police to stop terrorist attacks. A British transit cop and an off duty London cop were among the wounded in the most recent terrorist attack. Another cop tried to fight but only had a stick! A Spanish national died trying to fight with his skateboard. Some minutes after the carnage began armed police showed up and, as we say here, bringing a knife to a gunfight is a bad idea and the terrorists were shot to death. When is Britain going to wake up and realize its not 1965 anymore and their police need to carry sidearms?

    Read More
  13. Just as the police will do everything possible to root out extremism from our city, so we will take a zero-tolerance approach to hate crime. If you witness a hate crime, please report it to the police. If you commit a hate crime, you face arrest.

    Looks like London’s Mayor is more concerned with evil white men than with actual terrorists perpetrating real attacks.
    And what does he mean by “hate crime”? All those hoaxes that have been exposed? Or those that haven’t? Or men, who left pork sandwich in front of a mosque? Oh, yeah, how could I forgot this “attack on England”, which is way worse than dozens killed or mutilated in a terrorist attack.
    And authorities didn’t wait too long to sentence 4 people to 31 months in prison combined. And for Kevin Crehan it meant death sentence, because he was killed in prison for this. But when fanatics kill because a port sandwich insult there is nothing wrong, no hate crime there.

    And how about 1400 girls abused, sexually exploited and raped in span of 15 years? Isn’t it a hate crime? And why authorities weren’t so quick to react and punish in this case and covered it had covered instead for all many years? Isn’t it more serious than a pork sandwich?

    Read More
  14. To a person of my generation, who grew up in the Cold War, visited European communist countries, and lived for a year in communist China, Corbyn’s affection for the twentieth century’s greatest political blight is incomprehensible.

    That could be seen just a week ago right here in the comments on your last article, at least 1/2 – way anyway. It wasn’t an “affection for Communism” by any means, but great ignorance of how much of a threat to the world it has been and still is.

    Read More
  15. Mrs. May quacks about getting tough on the terrorists, and then threatens to do so by clamping down on the internet and putting more police on the street to wait and watch for the next attack, which can only lead the average person to believe she wants the attacks to take place and wants to shut down any non-government-controlled means of communicating dissatisfaction over that policy as well as the failure to deliver in a meaningful way on the promise to reduce the flood of immigrants. It is not lost on the average Briton that all of the attackers of recent months were already on police and intel radar screens, and yet they were free to move about and plan and actually attack without any government hindrance. Hell, one of the attackers was actually on a MSM documentary about radical jihadists. It doesn’t take much for a reasonable person to start wondering if the Tories might actually be sowing mayhem for political advantage, hoping to be the law and order party everyone turns to in crisis, but not realising their means and methods of false-flag are too transparent.

    Then the Tories want to freeze your grandparents by depriving them of the winter fuel subsidy, and when they slip into dementia and need care, the last of their estate will be taken, leaving the kids with nothing to inherit. Meanwhile, they threaten to further raise tuition and tax the mere ownership of spare bedrooms on the grounds that they are rentable. All of this squarely and directly attacks their political base. What’s not to like about the Tories.

    Mrs. May is not a good politician: I think the only reason she is PM is because she got the goods on everyone else while Home Secretary, with the intel services under her aegis.

    Mr. Corbyn is a flaming commie and seems to be an anti-semite, but you correctly point out the indifference to the former in a land where comrade Che shirts are still popular among the young, and the latter is hardly a hindrance in a land where the Muslim population has crossed 5% and is growing and watching a government joining in perpetual wars against the homelands of Islam. He and his party also promise to rob from the rich to give away the store to the poor and young, which comes as no surprise to the base of Labour, unlike the policies of the Tories to their base.

    Finally, Mr. Corbyn is a refreshing change from the likes of sell-outs like Blair and Brown, who put Labour squarely in the camp of globalism at the expense of the little guy. While that might have only swung a few otherwise pro-Brexit voters back to Labour, showing that he cared for the little guy while Mrs. May was blathering about getting tough while sowing mayhem made the otherwise unsympathetic Corbyn seem sympathetic, almost human.

    Jeremy Corbyn is red to the core, but that only means, to quote an old car advert, that this is not your father’s Labour Party — this is your grandfather’s Labour party!

    Read More
  16. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    First Macron and then Corbyn.

    Anything which causes butthurt to sheer vilenesses like john derbyshire is something to rejoice. :D

    Read More
  17. Corbyn is NOT crazy. He is ethical and in the eyes of evil people taking an ethical stance is crazy!

    Read More
  18. a bigger factor than either is the divide between those willing to go on giving power to our established political class and those who would be happy to see them swinging from lamp-posts along Whitehall, the Champs Élysées, or Constitution Avenue.

    Bitterness, anger and hatred are certainly understandable, and justified.

    I’ve just reread the excellent Benjamin Schwarz piece on the effects of mass immigration in Britain (because TAC reposted it to their website front page), and it perfectly sums up the sheer irreversible vandalism our political and business elites in Britain have engaged in over the past few decades.

    In just a few short decades they have irrevocably destroyed a priceless asset that was a millennium in the building. Schwarz’s final paragraph reflects some of the reasons for the anger Derbyshire refers to above. Some similar processes have clearly been going on in the other countries of the US sphere, each particular in the details to the country in question’s circumstances, but all related on some level:

    The impotent seething abundantly in evidence among Old Britain is rooted in their disfranchisement, in the disdain with which their political and cultural leaders have forsaken them, and in their realization that those leaders, ensorcelled by fatuous slogans and intellectual fashion, in pursuit of vacuous and untested ideas, have irretrievably transformed an ancient nation.
    Unmaking England, The American Conservative, Jan/Feb 2016

    Bitter anger and, indeed, hatred are imo more than justified, if only the correct targets are identified.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    “The impotent seething abundantly in evidence among Old Britain is rooted in their disfranchisement, in the disdain with which their political and cultural leaders have forsaken them, and in their realization that those leaders, ensorcelled by fatuous slogans and intellectual fashion, in pursuit of vacuous and untested ideas, have irretrievably transformed an ancient nation.” -- Benjamin Schwarz

    "...irretrievably transformed an ancient nation." -- That is good; it would sound good in a speech; slowly delivered, each word given a pause for good measure.

    I disagree entirely with Schwarz in the use of the word "irretrievably." Mass immigration will be answered with mass deportation. It will happen when the Bank of England loses control of monetary policy. When the next global financial implosion hits, the Brits will make the foreigners walk the plank.
  19. corbyn, trying to rescue some kind of sanity from the neocon crazed, zionist,money obsessed
    american mafia deserves better.
    derbyshire personifies cold war american thinking and when the youth in america wake up to the
    evil the united states has created and perpetrated throughout the us and the world,the laughingly
    called conservative democracy will be flushed into a septic tank where it has been headed for a long time.

    Read More
  20. “Corbyn is, in fact, of my generation—he’s four years younger than me”

    Well, technically he’s not of the same generation. The Baby Boom Generation is from 1946-65, so unless Mr. Derbyshire was born in ’46, he’s of an entirely different generation than Mr. Corbyn.

    Read More
  21. Labour did what the Dems should have done, promised to scrap Tuition fees. The Yoof are so gullible they would go for it.

    Read More
  22. How did he miss noticing what a despotic horror show communism was?

    Well, despite over half-century of intense brainwashing, some westerners are still capable of applying elements of critical thinking. Normally it’s those among the proles, but yeah, sometimes even an occasional politician manages to climb the ladder. Obviously it’s an oversight, and I’m sure it’ll be corrected. No need to worry.

    Read More
  23. Support for Corbyn is evidence of disgust with the establishment.

    Nothing more.

    Why isn’t Corbyn being charged under British hate crime laws for defending and supporting the greatest mass murderers in human history? I thought supporting a man like HItler or denying the holocaust could send you straight to jail in this land of the free and home of the brave??

    If ever there was anyone who deserved to go to jail for “evil” thoughts it is this bastard.

    Leftists always get a free pass for their monstrous worldview.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Anonymous Nephew
    I'm no Corbyn fan, but he neither supports Hitler nor "denies the Holocaust".

    On the other hand, he was happy to support ethnic Irish nationalists* in a terror campaign against the UK, in my book a worse crime than sharing a platform with Hamas - but then I would say that, I'm British.


    * oddly, those same nationalists, who murdered people because their forebears came to Ireland 400 years ago, seem quite happy to see Ireland turned pretty quickly by mass immigration into a replica of modern England, but with much worse beer.
  24. Any port in a storm Derb. The ruling class in the West are scum. They are robbing us blind while leading us over the falls. Radical youth I’m not. Born in 1944.

    Read More
  25. There isn’t going to be any way for Muslim and African immigration to be halted, because politicians are too intimidated by anything smacking of reaction (many Conservatives are aghast at May doing a deal with the Neanderthal Ulster Unionists). The cities are clearly going to be dominated by nonwhites.

    Corbyn’s bedrock support is not young it is the former working class families who want generous welfare and public services especially schools and hospitals. The Brexit vote turned on many of the aforementioned people voting against the open borders within the EU. Brexit was a vote against the unending (white Christian Polish ect) immigration without limit that the EU requires of its members. The Poles ect were obviously being used to hold wages down and that is what the Brexit result turned on. But the immigrants (EU or not) that Corbyn refuses to set an upper limit on use, are in effective competition for, schools, hospitals, housing and welfare . Moreover the immigrants are attracted in greater numbers by generous provision of public services. As usual, the public has mutually incompatible objectives.

    Read More
  26. To his credit, Corbyn is anti Israel so there was at least the possibility that he would have put Britain’s interests ahead of the Jews, two things which are. as in most countries, mutually exclusive.

    And speaking of the U.K., Stefan Molyneux did a terrific interview with Tommy Robinson of the EDL. Robinson and the English Defense League are doing heroic work documenting the anti native actions of the British government and police.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Agent76
    Know and share this with others as well so they can be in the know.

    Sep 19, 2000 Euro-federalists financed by US spy chiefs

    The documents confirm suspicions voiced at the time that America was working aggressively behind the scenes to push Britain into a European state. One memorandum, dated July 26, 1950, gives instructions for a campaign to promote a fully fledged European parliament.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/1356047/Euro-federalists-financed-by-US-spy-chiefs.html
    , @anony-mouse
    Tsk, tsk, tsk.

    This is a great result for Israel:

    1/ It keeps Corbyn as the leader of the Labour Party instead of Khan who could credibly become PM.

    (People who think superficially think Corbyn as head of the Labour Party is bad for Jews/Israel. Quite the contrary.)

    If I were conspiratorial-and who at Unz.com would be that-I would suspect Jews/Zionists as the ones who put Corbyn up as leader.

    2/ It gives the most pro-Israel small party, the DUP, more influence.

    3/ It makes Brit Jews more scared so more will move to Israel, while the majority who don't will become even more supportive.

    , @anonymous

    To his credit, Corbyn is anti Israel so there was at least the possibility that he would have put Britain’s interests ahead of the Jews, two things which are. as in most countries, mutually exclusive.
     
    What would be more beneficial to the average UK native :
    A government that is friendly toward Israel and curbs Islamic invasion into UK
    or
    A government that is anti Israel but floods UK with Muslims and coupled with the
    non existent birth rate of native UK people renders the UK a Muslim land
    ??
  27. Animal Farm is still a popular text in middle school in the UK.

    Corbyn is quite a decent guy, and while some of his views are well to the left of what is considered conventional these days, the idea that people should be able to get an education without spending the rest of their lives in debt is not such a bad one.

    The relative success of Labour in the most recent election is just an indication of what a piss-poor job Theresa May is doing in uniting the nation as Prime Minister.

    However if you look at the electoral map of the UK, it appears that most of the red (Labour) seats border on other red seats, and the same goes for blue (Conservative) seats, indicating that geography (and underlying geology) has a lot to do with who gets elected to Parliament.

    Going back to nationalizing industries like railroads and the post office is actually a rather conservative program and would appeal to a lot of nostalgia lovers and public employees.

    Read More
    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    "Going back to nationalizing industries like railroads and the post office is actually a rather conservative program and would appeal to a lot of nostalgia lovers and public employees."

    Essential infrastructure is vital to the security and wellbeing of the nation and is thus too important to be left to the whims of profit. Friedrich List
    , @Yak-15
    Someone always pays. And in the modern unviersity system that someone is paying for socialist indoctrination in class warfare, racial grievance mongering and SJW rabble rousing.
    , @Authenticjazzman
    " Corbyn is quite a decent guy".

    yeah sure and I bet you think BC is quite a decent guy.

    Corbyn is a lunatic commie leftover from 1968, and I guess GB has to go the route of Venezuela before they maybe come to their senses.

    You have no clue as to what you are blathering about.

    Authenticjazzman "mensa" society membwer since 1973, airborne qualified US Army vet and pro jazz musician
  28. Re: “And a lot of people who were not registered to vote, did so. Most of these were young voters registering for the first time, and again they leaned heavily towards Labour.”

    Yes, Derb, but here’s the question: what percentage of these young voters were actually British as opposed to Muslim/ethnic minority/immigrant?

    What I find funny is that I still can’t get any good information about the ethnic breakdown of the voting results.

    It’s sort of how people blather on about how London voted overwhelmingly for “remain” in the EU referendum without noting that London is only 45% white British — or what we’d have simply referred to as “British” twenty years ago.

    Read More
  29. Communism in the West is billed as something politically edgy and sexy and as a system that cares about people and world peace. Never mind the assembly line murder, brutal political repression and its well documented economic failings. However, white youth falls for the syrupy, one world crap and feigned concern for the working class while most non-whites, ever the non-sentimentalists, just care about the free stuff that communism and socialism brings.

    Theresa May just thinks policing the internet, roundtable discussions and group hugs with Islamists will cause them to reject jihad and embrace “British values” which these days means racial masochism and suicide. Only firing squads and hangings of Jihadist networks can instill fear and dread, but the West is far to civilized these days to protect itself with lethal force and reprisals against non-Western population groups that commit terrorist acts inside its own borders.

    Read More
  30. … and : the newly redisplayed Army museum in Chelsea SW3 majors in Imperialism and Slavery and fails to add Defense of the Realm to its list of reason why the British Army exists …

    Read More
  31. But as for the youth: What do young Brits know about the Cold War? What do they know about the horrors of Lenin, Stalin, and Mao? The artificial famines and mass killings, the slave-labor camps and torture chambers, the crushing of dissent and the endless official lying?

    I got news for ya. There are plenty of old farts that are clueless about all of that, and many don’t even know that FDR and Churchill were Stalin’s buddies, or that the most virulent forms of 20th century communist movements were financed by New York money bags. And if ya tell ‘em, they lose it.

    “The recognition in 1933 in Washington of the USSR brought a tremendous change in the activities of the communists on our college campus. Recognition brought respectability; it led to the organization of such groups as Friends of the Soviet Union, which was led by engineers and social workers and which soon extended to the world of art and science and to education in general.

    Almost overnight and seemingly from nowhere organization arose. Groups of the Young Communist League and the League for Industrial Democracy — an organization originating in England among Fabians — appeared in our midst, small dedicated bands of young people. This soon led to mass groups of students who began clamoring for the right to meet on the campus; if permission was not granted, they met outside and protested very loudly.

    I was very conscious of one thing: these organizations were not springing up spontaneously; some creating group was behind them… Suddenly there had appeared on the indifferent campus a student group who seemed to care, to believe in things, to be willing to work and suffer for what they believed in and cared for. Before long they had infected the entire student body”

    -Bella Dodd, School of Darkness, Ch 6

    Please note that FDR recognized the USSR in 1933, right after the Stalin engineered famine and Ukrainian Holocaust (Holodomor), and at a time when Hitler had just started coming into power. You can bet that FDR didn’t recognize the Soviet Union because the American people told him to, so can anyone guess who he thought would benefit?

    Read More
    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
    Stalin got the task of giving Russian blood in the destruction of Hitler, with USA weapons, munition etc., in exchange he could have E Europe, also anti semitic.
    What went wrong is that Stalin was not content with his assigned task, a junior role in ruling the world.
    , @Laugh Track
    Thanks for the Bella Dodd reference. Interesting book.
  32. England is a Fag country run by hand wringers and pussy’s, they are getting what they deserve.

    Read More
  33. “‘Emergencies’ have always been the pretext on which the safeguards of individual liberty have been eroded.” Friedrich August von Hayek

    Jan 1, 2012 The Ultimate History Lesson: A Weekend with John Taylor Gatto

    Tragedy and Hope provides a portal through which individuals can discover, identify, and integrate useful tools, resources, and activities which stimulate and fortify Cognitive Liberty, providing primary sources, research, and educational methods which facilitate consciousness.

    Read More
    • Replies: @jacques sheete
    Gatto? Hayek? What next? Rothbard, Mises, Nock and Mencken? Thomas Paine, Patrick Henry, William Grayson ? Leo Tolstoy? Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn?

    Straight to the gulag with you, buddy!

    See ya there! ;)

  34. @Johnny Smoggins
    To his credit, Corbyn is anti Israel so there was at least the possibility that he would have put Britain's interests ahead of the Jews, two things which are. as in most countries, mutually exclusive.

    And speaking of the U.K., Stefan Molyneux did a terrific interview with Tommy Robinson of the EDL. Robinson and the English Defense League are doing heroic work documenting the anti native actions of the British government and police.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWNpZ3Dwf68

    Know and share this with others as well so they can be in the know.

    Sep 19, 2000 Euro-federalists financed by US spy chiefs

    The documents confirm suspicions voiced at the time that America was working aggressively behind the scenes to push Britain into a European state. One memorandum, dated July 26, 1950, gives instructions for a campaign to promote a fully fledged European parliament.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/1356047/Euro-federalists-financed-by-US-spy-chiefs.html

    Read More
  35. @Randal

    a bigger factor than either is the divide between those willing to go on giving power to our established political class and those who would be happy to see them swinging from lamp-posts along Whitehall, the Champs Élysées, or Constitution Avenue.
     
    Bitterness, anger and hatred are certainly understandable, and justified.

    I've just reread the excellent Benjamin Schwarz piece on the effects of mass immigration in Britain (because TAC reposted it to their website front page), and it perfectly sums up the sheer irreversible vandalism our political and business elites in Britain have engaged in over the past few decades.

    In just a few short decades they have irrevocably destroyed a priceless asset that was a millennium in the building. Schwarz's final paragraph reflects some of the reasons for the anger Derbyshire refers to above. Some similar processes have clearly been going on in the other countries of the US sphere, each particular in the details to the country in question's circumstances, but all related on some level:

    "The impotent seething abundantly in evidence among Old Britain is rooted in their disfranchisement, in the disdain with which their political and cultural leaders have forsaken them, and in their realization that those leaders, ensorcelled by fatuous slogans and intellectual fashion, in pursuit of vacuous and untested ideas, have irretrievably transformed an ancient nation."
    Unmaking England, The American Conservative, Jan/Feb 2016

    Bitter anger and, indeed, hatred are imo more than justified, if only the correct targets are identified.

    “The impotent seething abundantly in evidence among Old Britain is rooted in their disfranchisement, in the disdain with which their political and cultural leaders have forsaken them, and in their realization that those leaders, ensorcelled by fatuous slogans and intellectual fashion, in pursuit of vacuous and untested ideas, have irretrievably transformed an ancient nation.” — Benjamin Schwarz

    “…irretrievably transformed an ancient nation.” — That is good; it would sound good in a speech; slowly delivered, each word given a pause for good measure.

    I disagree entirely with Schwarz in the use of the word “irretrievably.” Mass immigration will be answered with mass deportation. It will happen when the Bank of England loses control of monetary policy. When the next global financial implosion hits, the Brits will make the foreigners walk the plank.

    Read More
  36. @Kiza
    I occasionally read what this character types, wadding through a lot of muck to find a rare pearl of conservative thinking. This write up has none - there is not a single insight worth reading for. Communism bad, capitalism good is ok, but not worth reading for. Corbyn mostly bad but much better than totally worn out May, the same.

    I really wish there was a single good reason to read what was typed here. Just empty.

    This column was a bit of a mess, but then so was the election.

    Read More
  37. @Johnny Smoggins
    To his credit, Corbyn is anti Israel so there was at least the possibility that he would have put Britain's interests ahead of the Jews, two things which are. as in most countries, mutually exclusive.

    And speaking of the U.K., Stefan Molyneux did a terrific interview with Tommy Robinson of the EDL. Robinson and the English Defense League are doing heroic work documenting the anti native actions of the British government and police.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWNpZ3Dwf68

    Tsk, tsk, tsk.

    This is a great result for Israel:

    1/ It keeps Corbyn as the leader of the Labour Party instead of Khan who could credibly become PM.

    (People who think superficially think Corbyn as head of the Labour Party is bad for Jews/Israel. Quite the contrary.)

    If I were conspiratorial-and who at Unz.com would be that-I would suspect Jews/Zionists as the ones who put Corbyn up as leader.

    2/ It gives the most pro-Israel small party, the DUP, more influence.

    3/ It makes Brit Jews more scared so more will move to Israel, while the majority who don’t will become even more supportive.

    Read More
  38. @Agent76
    "'Emergencies' have always been the pretext on which the safeguards of individual liberty have been eroded." Friedrich August von Hayek

    Jan 1, 2012 The Ultimate History Lesson: A Weekend with John Taylor Gatto

    Tragedy and Hope provides a portal through which individuals can discover, identify, and integrate useful tools, resources, and activities which stimulate and fortify Cognitive Liberty, providing primary sources, research, and educational methods which facilitate consciousness.

    https://youtu.be/YQiW_l848t8

    Gatto? Hayek? What next? Rothbard, Mises, Nock and Mencken? Thomas Paine, Patrick Henry, William Grayson ? Leo Tolstoy? Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn?

    Straight to the gulag with you, buddy!

    See ya there! ;)

    Read More
    • Replies: @Agent76
    See ya there! "Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!" Patrick Henry
  39. @jacques sheete

    But as for the youth: What do young Brits know about the Cold War? What do they know about the horrors of Lenin, Stalin, and Mao? The artificial famines and mass killings, the slave-labor camps and torture chambers, the crushing of dissent and the endless official lying?
     
    I got news for ya. There are plenty of old farts that are clueless about all of that, and many don't even know that FDR and Churchill were Stalin's buddies, or that the most virulent forms of 20th century communist movements were financed by New York money bags. And if ya tell 'em, they lose it.

    "The recognition in 1933 in Washington of the USSR brought a tremendous change in the activities of the communists on our college campus. Recognition brought respectability; it led to the organization of such groups as Friends of the Soviet Union, which was led by engineers and social workers and which soon extended to the world of art and science and to education in general.



    Almost overnight and seemingly from nowhere organization arose. Groups of the Young Communist League and the League for Industrial Democracy — an organization originating in England among Fabians — appeared in our midst, small dedicated bands of young people. This soon led to mass groups of students who began clamoring for the right to meet on the campus; if permission was not granted, they met outside and protested very loudly.

    I was very conscious of one thing: these organizations were not springing up spontaneously; some creating group was behind them... Suddenly there had appeared on the indifferent campus a student group who seemed to care, to believe in things, to be willing to work and suffer for what they believed in and cared for. Before long they had infected the entire student body"

    -Bella Dodd, School of Darkness, Ch 6

     

    Please note that FDR recognized the USSR in 1933, right after the Stalin engineered famine and Ukrainian Holocaust (Holodomor), and at a time when Hitler had just started coming into power. You can bet that FDR didn't recognize the Soviet Union because the American people told him to, so can anyone guess who he thought would benefit?

    Stalin got the task of giving Russian blood in the destruction of Hitler, with USA weapons, munition etc., in exchange he could have E Europe, also anti semitic.
    What went wrong is that Stalin was not content with his assigned task, a junior role in ruling the world.

    Read More
  40. @lavoisier
    Support for Corbyn is evidence of disgust with the establishment.

    Nothing more.

    Why isn't Corbyn being charged under British hate crime laws for defending and supporting the greatest mass murderers in human history? I thought supporting a man like HItler or denying the holocaust could send you straight to jail in this land of the free and home of the brave??

    If ever there was anyone who deserved to go to jail for "evil" thoughts it is this bastard.

    Leftists always get a free pass for their monstrous worldview.

    I’m no Corbyn fan, but he neither supports Hitler nor “denies the Holocaust”.

    On the other hand, he was happy to support ethnic Irish nationalists* in a terror campaign against the UK, in my book a worse crime than sharing a platform with Hamas – but then I would say that, I’m British.

    * oddly, those same nationalists, who murdered people because their forebears came to Ireland 400 years ago, seem quite happy to see Ireland turned pretty quickly by mass immigration into a replica of modern England, but with much worse beer.

    Read More
    • Replies: @benjaminl
    I had the impression that the "greatest mass murderer" relevant here was Stalin...

    https://shirazsocialist.wordpress.com/2012/09/29/seamas-milne-on-stalins-missing-millions/
    http://www.politico.eu/article/stalinist-voice-of-labour-seumas-milne-jeremy-corbyn-putin/

    Certainly agree on the other points.
    https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/05/labour-party-knew-corbyn-made-leader-now-country-knows/
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/04/jeremy-corbyn-says-he-regrets-calling-hamas-and-hezbollah-friends
    , @Greasy William

    oddly, those same nationalists, who murdered people because their forebears came to Ireland 400 years ago, seem quite happy to see Ireland turned pretty quickly by mass immigration into a replica of modern England
     
    I never got that. Whoever was right, what was the point of shedding so much blood on both sides if at the end the island was just going to be given away to 3rd worlders?
  41. anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Father O'Hara
    If the Jews don't like him that's good enough for me.

    Jews don’t like him but Muslims do. Who is forming grooming gangs and pimping out thousands of Christian girls all over UK ? Who is having on average 4 children per couple and raising them in UK with the tax money produced by native UK Christians ? UK is subsidizing their own takeover by Islam . But if you are happy to cut off your nose to spite your face that’s ok by me , white boy !!!!!!!!!

    Read More
  42. anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Johnny Smoggins
    To his credit, Corbyn is anti Israel so there was at least the possibility that he would have put Britain's interests ahead of the Jews, two things which are. as in most countries, mutually exclusive.

    And speaking of the U.K., Stefan Molyneux did a terrific interview with Tommy Robinson of the EDL. Robinson and the English Defense League are doing heroic work documenting the anti native actions of the British government and police.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWNpZ3Dwf68

    To his credit, Corbyn is anti Israel so there was at least the possibility that he would have put Britain’s interests ahead of the Jews, two things which are. as in most countries, mutually exclusive.

    What would be more beneficial to the average UK native :
    A government that is friendly toward Israel and curbs Islamic invasion into UK
    or
    A government that is anti Israel but floods UK with Muslims and coupled with the
    non existent birth rate of native UK people renders the UK a Muslim land
    ??

    Read More
    • Replies: @Johnny Smoggins
    Friend, before the Moslems are dealt with the Jews must be. Remember that it's (((multiculturalists))) that promote Moslem immigration to Britain.
    , @anon

    What would be more beneficial to the average UK native :
    A government that is friendly toward Israel and curbs Islamic invasion into UK
    or
    A government that is anti Israel but floods UK with Muslims and coupled with the
    non existent birth rate of native UK people renders the UK a Muslim land
    ??
     
    if the first was an option then the first - but it's not an option so far

    the options currently are
    pro Israel and pro mass immigration
    or
    anti Israel and pro mass immigration

    which is a non choice - which leads to not voting
  43. @Stogumber
    Pierre Gaxotte described the "protest voter" phenomenon already for the aftermath of the French Revolution, the "Directory" period. Masses of discontentend voters flocked to the altright, but when the altright was crushed by the government, next time these voters sought revenge by voting for the altleft - anything was better than the government (which had to save itself by abolishing democracy and installing Bonapartism).
    In a similar mind, many former UKIP voters seem to have voted for Labour (seeing that Corbyn was incessantly attacked by the Guardianistas and the rest of the "respectable Left"). And indeed - if we have only a choice between a workers' Bolshevism and a High Finance Bolshevism, the former is much preferable.

    In a similar mind, many former UKIP voters seem to have voted for Labour (seeing that Corbyn was incessantly attacked by the Guardianistas and the rest of the “respectable Left”). And indeed – if we have only a choice between a workers’ Bolshevism and a High Finance Bolshevism, the former is much preferable.

    Good comment. In the Nationalist/Globalist context the public have shown that they prefer traditional Nationalist Leftism rather than Blairite, Guardianista High Finance style “Leftism”.

    If you had to categorize May, she would belong on the High Finance, Guardianista side, and it’s difficult to exaggerate how much the UK public hate Tony Blair.

    Read More
  44. @Seraphim
    How came that after the war in which the British people fought as one the horrors of fascism, the same people discarded unceremoniously the man who led them to victory? Did they misunderstood the significance of the favorite gesture of the old man (showing the fingers)?

    What “horrors of fascism”? I doubt you know the meaning of the word ‘fascism’.

    However, I suspect your are referring to your received history about WWII. In that case I have good news for you, 6M Jews were not killed.

    [MORE]

    There were the ‘Nazis’ with the mythological ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ and there were the ‘Nazis’ without the mythological ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’.

    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:

    http://codoh.com

    No name calling, level playing field debate here:

    http://forum.codoh.com

    “To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.”

    Read More
    • Replies: @Anon
    Great, please define fascism for everyone here.
    , @Seraphim
    What have the British fought for then? Is not WWII supposed to have been the struggle against 'fascism', 'nazism', irrespective of the 6M (no, there are no news for me, I actually wrote some commentaries about that sometimes ago)?
    I certainly suspect that Churchill's loss was a vote against those who pushed Britain into a war nobody wanted.
  45. @Father O'Hara
    If the Jews don't like him that's good enough for me.

    “If the Jews don’t like him that’s good enough for me.”

    Me too. Judge a politician not on their professed party loyalty, it means absolutely nothing, in the world outside academia.

    Judge a politician ONLY on his level of subservience to the Jewish mafia and the zionist agenda. You will make the right call 99.97% of the time.

    I thought this was one of the more balanced of Derbyshire’s essays that I’ve read, although I usually skip them.

    Read More
  46. @Anonymous Nephew
    I'm no Corbyn fan, but he neither supports Hitler nor "denies the Holocaust".

    On the other hand, he was happy to support ethnic Irish nationalists* in a terror campaign against the UK, in my book a worse crime than sharing a platform with Hamas - but then I would say that, I'm British.


    * oddly, those same nationalists, who murdered people because their forebears came to Ireland 400 years ago, seem quite happy to see Ireland turned pretty quickly by mass immigration into a replica of modern England, but with much worse beer.
    Read More
  47. @jacques sheete
    Gatto? Hayek? What next? Rothbard, Mises, Nock and Mencken? Thomas Paine, Patrick Henry, William Grayson ? Leo Tolstoy? Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn?

    Straight to the gulag with you, buddy!

    See ya there! ;)

    See ya there! “Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!” Patrick Henry

    Read More
    • Replies: @jacques sheete
    Old Pat would have a stroke today.

    At a minimum we're all pretty much wage, tax and debt slaves, I think.

    “But while I beheld with pleasure the dawn of liberty rising in Europe, I saw with regret the lustre of it fading in America…
    But a faction, acting in disguise, was rising in America; they had lost sight of first principles. They were beginning to contemplate government as a profitable monopoly, and the people as hereditary property.“

    THOMAS PAINE TO THE CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES,
    And particularly to the Leaders of the Federal Faction.
    LETTER I, Nov 15,1802

     


    “The enlightened part of Europe have given us the greatest credit for inventing the instrument of security for the rights of the people and have been not a little surprised to see us so soon give it up.”

    Thomas Jefferson letter to Francis Hopkinson of March 13, 1789
     

    “Men haven't got the freedom today that they had when the Constitution was written. The men in the West had a great deal of freedoms more than the men in the East who copied the traditions of Europe.
    In that time, men could go into their own business. They could follow farming and they could do this and that.”

    -Jeanette Rankin, interview, 1977 [I believe]
     
    Rankin, running as a Republican Progressive, was the first woman voted to congress.
  48. It’s funny how when something bad happens in Britain, the people there immediately look to see how the American President responds. Then of course their reflexive anti-Americanism kicks in, because the President wasn’t 1) sympathetic enough; 2) eloquent enough; or 3) knowledgeable enough about the Rubik’s Cube of British racial/sectarian/class nuances. All this does is distract them from doing what’s necessary to effect real change in their broken country. These people are unhinged.

    Read More
  49. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    “established political class and those who would be happy to see them swinging from lamp-posts along Whitehall, the Champs Élysées, or Constitution Avenue.”

    Sounds like you are coming close to calling for violence.

    Read More
  50. Theresa May has a lot to answer for. She was Home Secretary when the U.K. was supporting homegrown Islamic radicals to further British geopolitical interests, for example in the destruction of Libya.

    From a recent article:

    In the latest attacks in the UK, the connections are astonishing, even given the similar facts that have emerged in previous terrorist actions. One of the attackers in the London Bridge killings, Yousseff Zaghba, was stopped at an Italian airport while attempting to travel to Syria, freely admitting that he “wanted to be a terrorist” and carrying ISIS literature. Another was featured in a British television documentary that chronicled his confrontation with and detention by police after he unfurled an ISIS flag in Regent’s Park.

    The Manchester suicide bomber, Salman Abedi, was likewise well known to British authorities. His parents were members of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG), who were allowed to return to Libya in 2011 to participate in the US-NATO regime-change operation against Muammar Gaddafi. He himself met with Libyan Islamic State operatives in Libya, veterans of the Syrian civil war, and maintained close connections with them while in Manchester.

    What has become clear after 16 years of the so-called “war on terrorism”—going all the way back to the hijackers of 9/11—is that these elements move in and out of the Middle East, Europe and the US itself not only without hindrance, but under what amounts to state protection.

    Why have they enjoyed this carte blanche? Because they are auxiliaries of US and European intelligence, necessary proxies in wars for regime change from Libya to Syria and beyond that are being waged to further imperialist interests.

    Read More
  51. Who needs mass immigration or dismantling of industries , or outsourcing of jobs or continuation of the futile wars to destroy the West when analysis and perspective of the election and of Corbin phenomena result in this type of vacuous emotional nativist journalistic – intellectual products .

    Read More
  52. @Kiza
    I occasionally read what this character types, wadding through a lot of muck to find a rare pearl of conservative thinking. This write up has none - there is not a single insight worth reading for. Communism bad, capitalism good is ok, but not worth reading for. Corbyn mostly bad but much better than totally worn out May, the same.

    I really wish there was a single good reason to read what was typed here. Just empty.

    I occasionally read what this character types, wadding through a lot of muck to find a rare pearl of conservative thinking.

    And yet nobody bothers to wade through what you write, nor cares what you think.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Kiza
    It appears that you are the one who did wadding through my typing and you cared about what I think. Otherwise, you would have not have written your comment.
    , @anon
    That was a super dumb comment. You obviously care what he thinks.
  53. I noticed the way that Corbyn wears that Lenin-cap – commie retro-chic. It is, of course, supposed to be a working-mans’ cap. As if professional commies like Corbyn have ever done a real days’ work in their lives.

    Read More
  54. Jeremy Corbyn sounds like the U.K.’s goy version of Bernie Sanders. I’m no expert on Corbyn’s politics but it doesn’t appear that he would lift a finger to reverse Britain’s demographic spiral and give it back to the native white Brits who are its rightful inhabitants and owners.

    Read More
    • Replies: @anon

    Jeremy Corbyn sounds like the U.K.’s goy version of Bernie Sanders.
     
    Yes, the UK election was like Sanders vs Jeb Bush (if Sanders was more openly radical) and he came close to winning.

    I’m no expert on Corbyn’s politics but it doesn’t appear that he would lift a finger to reverse Britain’s demographic spiral and give it back to the native white Brits who are its rightful inhabitants and owners.
     
    Yes, he's 100% anti-nationalist, pro-immigration and multicult so people being pleased because Jews don't like him over his pro-Palestinian views are being a tad short-sighted imo.

    Although personally i'm glad he did well - but not win - as hopefully it will wake the cons up to the fact that if they keep importing cheap labor then they will get Cuba - might be a wake up call for GOPe too.
    , @mobi

    Jeremy Corbyn sounds like the U.K.’s goy version of Bernie Sanders. I’m no expert on Corbyn’s politics but it doesn’t appear that he would lift a finger to reverse Britain’s demographic spiral and give it back to the native white Brits who are its rightful inhabitants and owners.
     
    But neither would May, or the 'Conservative' establishment.

    Corbyn at least appears to be offering a credible threat to the 'Invade the World' part of 'Invade the World, Invite the World'. Whereas the alternative threatens neither.

    So is it not a net gain, however imperfect?
  55. @jilles dykstra
    Corbyn is the usual European socialist, unable to realise that globalism cannot be reconciled with socialism at home.

    Socialism *almost* works, if you have zero immigration. Otherwise, it’s people actively pulling bucks of water onto a sinking ship.

    Read More
  56. @jilles dykstra
    Corbyn is the usual European socialist, unable to realise that globalism cannot be reconciled with socialism at home.

    Corbyn is the usual European socialist, unable to realise that globalism cannot be reconciled with socialism at home.

    What’s interesting though, is that Corbyn once was opposed to the EU. Back in the 80s, there was still a large trade-unionist faction within Labour which, like Tony Benn, understood that the EU was to be a “union of bosses, not workers.” Although Corbyn officially changed his position later on, many have even speculated that, at some deep level, he still is Euroskeptic. As evidence, they can now point out that his campaign against Brexit last year was so much more lackluster and unenthusiastic than his own election campaign last week.

    Read More
    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
    I just see the same muddleheaded thinking one sees in France with Hollande, his party almost gone, and the Dutch socialists, PvdA, Samsom and Asscher, going back from 38 seats to 9.
    Schulz also pretends to be a socialist, bur Germany is the country that most benefits from EU and euro.
    Know nothing about Corbyn's education, but Hollande was a teacher in German, Samsom studied physics, Asscher law.
    Schulz by professsion is a bookbinder, -maker.
    A good economist as Sarrazin in Germany was fired.
  57. Macron was new, with a political party he’d invented himself out of whole cloth the year before. He was perceived as more the outsider.

    Well, that’s how the French main-stream media billed Macron; but in fairness, I don’t know a single Frenchman who believed this. No, they didn’t elect Macron–the Rothschild bankster and erstwhile cabinet minister–because they believed he was an “outsider”. The French simply voted against Le Pen because the media went on and on about how she was a ‘fascist’.

    Read More
  58. Derbyshire should remember who created the horror of the USSR and committed all those million of murders. Pretty much the same sect that runs Britain and the US.

    Stalin’s Jews
    We mustn’t forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

    Here’s a particularly forlorn historical date: Almost 90 years ago, between the 19th and 20th of December 1917, in the midst of the Bolshevik revolution and civil war, Lenin signed a decree calling for the establishment of The All-Russian Extraordinary Commission for Combating Counter-Revolution and Sabotage, also known as Cheka.

    Within a short period of time, Cheka became the largest and cruelest state security organization. Its organizational structure was changed every few years, as were its names: From Cheka to GPU, later to NKVD, and later to KGB.

    We cannot know with certainty the number of deaths Cheka was responsible for in its various manifestations, but the number is surely at least 20 million, including victims of the forced collectivization, the hunger, large purges, expulsions, banishments, executions, and mass death at Gulags.

    Whole population strata were eliminated: Independent farmers, ethnic minorities, members of the bourgeoisie, senior officers, intellectuals, artists, labor movement activists, “opposition members” who were defined completely randomly, and countless members of the Communist party itself….

    …. And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever hearing the name “Genrikh Yagoda,” the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU’s deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin’s collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people. His Jewish deputies established and managed the Gulag system.

    …. In 1934, according to published statistics, 38.5 percent of those holding the most senior posts in the Soviet security apparatuses were of Jewish origin. ….

    Read More
    • Agree: anarchyst
    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
    Voline ( Vsevolod Mikhailovitsch Eichenbaum), ‘The unknown revolution (Kronstadt 1921 Ukraine 1918-21)’, New York 1955 is not positive on jews, to put it mildly.
    Alexander Solschenizyn, ´Die russisch- jüdische Geschichte 1795- 1916, >> Zweihundert Jahre zusammen <<´, Moskau 2001, München 2002 explains that Russian communism was mainly a jewish affair, jews were literate, Russian peasants illiterate.
    , @anon

     In 1934, according to published statistics, 38.5 percent of those holding the most senior posts in the Soviet security apparatuses were of Jewish origin.
     
    ….

    So the vast majority were non Jews including the the leader .Obvious Jewish conspiracy , lads !!!!!!

  59. This characterisation of Corbyn is demented. The author is obviously a rabid ideologue who is capable of irrationally projecting his own rabidity onto a reasonable, moderate and (has Derbyshire watched a Corbyn interview?) RESTRAINED Socialist.

    Lenin? Stalin? Mao?
    My arse.

    Unz Review articles are rarely tenth rate. Here’s hoping this remains an exception.

    Read More
    • Troll: TWS
    • Replies: @Anon
    With respect to your username, there is indeed (something denied by the three you listed, probably Corbyn as well). Are there any examples of RESTRAINED socialist communists, deeply sympathetic to actual millenarian communist terrorists, who remained restrained once there was nothing external to restrain them?

    Now, neither I nor Derbyshire is suggesting that Mr. Corbyn would have become a mass murderer had he attained power as Her Majesty's Prime Minister. But, with respect to his reasonableness and moderation and so on, has this commenter read Edgar Snow's interviews with the aforementioned Mao? And are these qualities not apparently present therein?
  60. @Seraphim
    How came that after the war in which the British people fought as one the horrors of fascism, the same people discarded unceremoniously the man who led them to victory? Did they misunderstood the significance of the favorite gesture of the old man (showing the fingers)?

    Because the last general election had been in 1935 (the war prevented it being held earlier than 1945), Churchill was associated with an old order that had failed and had also presided over the Depression, and Labour offered a popular welfare state.
    There were by-elections held during the war and although an electoral truce prevented mainstream parties challenging incumbents, mavericks, often left-wing, stood and frequently polled well, even winning some by-elections. There were hints the electorate was swinging to the left.

    Read More
  61. @Seamus Padraig

    Corbyn is the usual European socialist, unable to realise that globalism cannot be reconciled with socialism at home.
     
    What's interesting though, is that Corbyn once was opposed to the EU. Back in the 80s, there was still a large trade-unionist faction within Labour which, like Tony Benn, understood that the EU was to be a "union of bosses, not workers." Although Corbyn officially changed his position later on, many have even speculated that, at some deep level, he still is Euroskeptic. As evidence, they can now point out that his campaign against Brexit last year was so much more lackluster and unenthusiastic than his own election campaign last week.

    I just see the same muddleheaded thinking one sees in France with Hollande, his party almost gone, and the Dutch socialists, PvdA, Samsom and Asscher, going back from 38 seats to 9.
    Schulz also pretends to be a socialist, bur Germany is the country that most benefits from EU and euro.
    Know nothing about Corbyn’s education, but Hollande was a teacher in German, Samsom studied physics, Asscher law.
    Schulz by professsion is a bookbinder, -maker.
    A good economist as Sarrazin in Germany was fired.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Dieter Kief

    A good economist as Sarrazin in Germany was fired.
     
    I agree - Sarrazin is a good economist. He still writes great books - and articles: - Most of those for free readable at achgut.com.
    Small correction: Bundesbank tried to fire Sarrazin, but they withdrew and Sarrazin later on resigned from his job - with the German government declaring, that this solution was alright with them.
    And he did acknowledge, that he - as a manager of the Bundesbank, which he was, might have violated his duty to be neutral and friendly, when making public statements.
  62. @hyperbola
    Derbyshire should remember who created the horror of the USSR and committed all those million of murders. Pretty much the same sect that runs Britain and the US.

    Stalin's Jews
    We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish
    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html
    Here's a particularly forlorn historical date: Almost 90 years ago, between the 19th and 20th of December 1917, in the midst of the Bolshevik revolution and civil war, Lenin signed a decree calling for the establishment of The All-Russian Extraordinary Commission for Combating Counter-Revolution and Sabotage, also known as Cheka.

    Within a short period of time, Cheka became the largest and cruelest state security organization. Its organizational structure was changed every few years, as were its names: From Cheka to GPU, later to NKVD, and later to KGB.

    We cannot know with certainty the number of deaths Cheka was responsible for in its various manifestations, but the number is surely at least 20 million, including victims of the forced collectivization, the hunger, large purges, expulsions, banishments, executions, and mass death at Gulags.

    Whole population strata were eliminated: Independent farmers, ethnic minorities, members of the bourgeoisie, senior officers, intellectuals, artists, labor movement activists, "opposition members" who were defined completely randomly, and countless members of the Communist party itself....

    .... And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever hearing the name "Genrikh Yagoda," the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin's collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people. His Jewish deputies established and managed the Gulag system.

    .... In 1934, according to published statistics, 38.5 percent of those holding the most senior posts in the Soviet security apparatuses were of Jewish origin. ....

    Voline ( Vsevolod Mikhailovitsch Eichenbaum), ‘The unknown revolution (Kronstadt 1921 Ukraine 1918-21)’, New York 1955 is not positive on jews, to put it mildly.
    Alexander Solschenizyn, ´Die russisch- jüdische Geschichte 1795- 1916, >> Zweihundert Jahre zusammen <<´, Moskau 2001, München 2002 explains that Russian communism was mainly a jewish affair, jews were literate, Russian peasants illiterate.

    Read More
  63. @Seamus Padraig

    Macron was new, with a political party he’d invented himself out of whole cloth the year before. He was perceived as more the outsider.
     
    Well, that's how the French main-stream media billed Macron; but in fairness, I don't know a single Frenchman who believed this. No, they didn't elect Macron--the Rothschild bankster and erstwhile cabinet minister--because they believed he was an "outsider". The French simply voted against Le Pen because the media went on and on about how she was a 'fascist'.

    And how Marine would ruin France economically.

    Read More
  64. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    I suspect part of May’s problem is that she was staring too hard at what happened to Marine Le Pen. Le Pen ran on an uncompromising platform that refused to move to the center and lost her best chance. May appears to have tried to trianglulate to the center, but ended up displeasing everybody. Those Tories who voted for her must have had all the enthusiam of Bernie supporters voting for Hillary. She’s not going to last long as leader of the Tories.

    Read More
  65. But as for the youth: What do young Brits know about the Cold War?

    Cold War?

    News flash: The Cold War is over, and your side won. Communism is dead, capitalism is triumphant all over the world. You got what you wanted, why are you not celebrating?

    Were British conservatives in 1840′s still freaking about Napoleon? No. They gave N’s body back to France to be reburied in Paris with full honors.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Sgt. Joe Friday
    "Communism" may be dead, but collectivist ideology and the threat of violence to impose it hasn't gone away.
  66. @jilles dykstra
    I just see the same muddleheaded thinking one sees in France with Hollande, his party almost gone, and the Dutch socialists, PvdA, Samsom and Asscher, going back from 38 seats to 9.
    Schulz also pretends to be a socialist, bur Germany is the country that most benefits from EU and euro.
    Know nothing about Corbyn's education, but Hollande was a teacher in German, Samsom studied physics, Asscher law.
    Schulz by professsion is a bookbinder, -maker.
    A good economist as Sarrazin in Germany was fired.

    A good economist as Sarrazin in Germany was fired.

    I agree – Sarrazin is a good economist. He still writes great books – and articles: – Most of those for free readable at achgut.com.
    Small correction: Bundesbank tried to fire Sarrazin, but they withdrew and Sarrazin later on resigned from his job – with the German government declaring, that this solution was alright with them.
    And he did acknowledge, that he – as a manager of the Bundesbank, which he was, might have violated his duty to be neutral and friendly, when making public statements.

    Read More
  67. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @hyperbola
    Derbyshire should remember who created the horror of the USSR and committed all those million of murders. Pretty much the same sect that runs Britain and the US.

    Stalin's Jews
    We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish
    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html
    Here's a particularly forlorn historical date: Almost 90 years ago, between the 19th and 20th of December 1917, in the midst of the Bolshevik revolution and civil war, Lenin signed a decree calling for the establishment of The All-Russian Extraordinary Commission for Combating Counter-Revolution and Sabotage, also known as Cheka.

    Within a short period of time, Cheka became the largest and cruelest state security organization. Its organizational structure was changed every few years, as were its names: From Cheka to GPU, later to NKVD, and later to KGB.

    We cannot know with certainty the number of deaths Cheka was responsible for in its various manifestations, but the number is surely at least 20 million, including victims of the forced collectivization, the hunger, large purges, expulsions, banishments, executions, and mass death at Gulags.

    Whole population strata were eliminated: Independent farmers, ethnic minorities, members of the bourgeoisie, senior officers, intellectuals, artists, labor movement activists, "opposition members" who were defined completely randomly, and countless members of the Communist party itself....

    .... And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever hearing the name "Genrikh Yagoda," the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin's collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people. His Jewish deputies established and managed the Gulag system.

    .... In 1934, according to published statistics, 38.5 percent of those holding the most senior posts in the Soviet security apparatuses were of Jewish origin. ....

     In 1934, according to published statistics, 38.5 percent of those holding the most senior posts in the Soviet security apparatuses were of Jewish origin.

    ….

    So the vast majority were non Jews including the the leader .Obvious Jewish conspiracy , lads !!!!!!

    Read More
    • Replies: @Seraphim
    Conspiracies are always the deeds of minorities.
    , @Miro23


    In 1934, according to published statistics, 38.5 percent of those holding the most senior posts in the Soviet security apparatuses were of Jewish origin.
     
    ….
    So the vast majority were non Jews including the leader .Obvious Jewish conspiracy , lads !!!!!!
     
    You might be right there, Jews got themselves into the position to inflict maximum harm.

    With Jews at about 1% of the Russian population that's a 38x Jewish over representation in the NKVD, and the leaders were Jewish , not Russian, Genrik Yagoda and Yakov Agranov (Head and deputy head of the NKVD 1934-36). And they did closely cooperate with Kaganovich ( Jewish) to remove all foodstuffs from the Ukraine and enable the death famine of the winter of 1931/32. Food removal was supervised by a majority of Jewish NKVD officers with something in the region of 6-7 million people being deliberately killed in what came to be known as the Holodomor.

    As your comment shows, Jews as a group have shown no remorse for this whatsoever.
    , @KenH
    I think Jews were around 3% of the Russian population at the time so if they made up almost 40% of the security apparatus I'd call that disproportionate and staggering.
  68. @Mr. Anon

    I occasionally read what this character types, wadding through a lot of muck to find a rare pearl of conservative thinking.
     
    And yet nobody bothers to wade through what you write, nor cares what you think.

    It appears that you are the one who did wadding through my typing and you cared about what I think. Otherwise, you would have not have written your comment.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    Why do people always say that? Just cause I comment, doesn't mean I care what you write. You wrote two lines - it was hardly something to wade through, more like something to glance over.

    You insulted Mr. Derbyshire, a man who has written fortran code that is more interesting than what you have to say. I insulted you in turn.

    People come here to read him. Not you.

    No, I really don't care what you write.
  69. @Darin

    But as for the youth: What do young Brits know about the Cold War?
     
    Cold War?

    News flash: The Cold War is over, and your side won. Communism is dead, capitalism is triumphant all over the world. You got what you wanted, why are you not celebrating?

    Were British conservatives in 1840's still freaking about Napoleon? No. They gave N's body back to France to be reburied in Paris with full honors.

    “Communism” may be dead, but collectivist ideology and the threat of violence to impose it hasn’t gone away.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Darin
    Humans are primates living in groups. When you remake human apes into bears, who are content to live all alone, collectives and collective violence would go away.
  70. @Anonymous Nephew
    I'm no Corbyn fan, but he neither supports Hitler nor "denies the Holocaust".

    On the other hand, he was happy to support ethnic Irish nationalists* in a terror campaign against the UK, in my book a worse crime than sharing a platform with Hamas - but then I would say that, I'm British.


    * oddly, those same nationalists, who murdered people because their forebears came to Ireland 400 years ago, seem quite happy to see Ireland turned pretty quickly by mass immigration into a replica of modern England, but with much worse beer.

    oddly, those same nationalists, who murdered people because their forebears came to Ireland 400 years ago, seem quite happy to see Ireland turned pretty quickly by mass immigration into a replica of modern England

    I never got that. Whoever was right, what was the point of shedding so much blood on both sides if at the end the island was just going to be given away to 3rd worlders?

    Read More
    • Agree: Anonym, Clyde, Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @Anonymous Nephew
    "Whoever was right, what was the point of shedding so much blood on both sides if at the end the island was just going to be given away to 3rd worlders?"

    I wonder if some Japanese historian is looking at the UK, US, France (and indeed Germany) and wondering the same thing?
  71. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Wally
    What "horrors of fascism"? I doubt you know the meaning of the word 'fascism'.

    However, I suspect your are referring to your received history about WWII. In that case I have good news for you, 6M Jews were not killed.

    There were the ‘Nazis’ with the mythological '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' and there were the ‘Nazis’ without the mythological ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’.

    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here:
    http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com

    "To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize."

    Great, please define fascism for everyone here.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Agent76
    Here you go Anon! November 21st, 2015 Fascists Running America Endorse Nazism

    America didn’t eliminate the scourge of fascism in WW II. It shifted its headquarters from Berlin and Tokyo to Washington.

    http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.php/2015/11/21/fascists-running-america-endorse-nazism#more40892

    Which Corporations Control the World?

    A surprisingly small number of corporations control massive global market shares. How many of the brands below do you use? It’s a Small World at the Top, the largest banks hold a total of $25.1 trillion enough to fund the federal U.S. government for over 7 years or roughly $3500 per person on earth.

    http://www.internationalbusinessguide.org/corporations/
    , @jacques sheete
    “And thus we are one step nearer to the great war 'against Fascism' (cf. 1914, 'against militarism') which will allow Fascism, British variety, to be slipped over our necks during the first week.”

    SPILLING THE SPANISH BEANS (1937)

    http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks03/0300011h.html

  72. @Seraphim
    How came that after the war in which the British people fought as one the horrors of fascism, the same people discarded unceremoniously the man who led them to victory? Did they misunderstood the significance of the favorite gesture of the old man (showing the fingers)?

    Not sure if serious.

    Churchill singlehandedly destroyed the Empire, bankrupted Britain, and firebombed the biggest opposition to Communism in Europe.

    Read More
  73. @Wally
    What "horrors of fascism"? I doubt you know the meaning of the word 'fascism'.

    However, I suspect your are referring to your received history about WWII. In that case I have good news for you, 6M Jews were not killed.

    There were the ‘Nazis’ with the mythological '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' and there were the ‘Nazis’ without the mythological ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’.

    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here:
    http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com

    "To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize."

    What have the British fought for then? Is not WWII supposed to have been the struggle against ‘fascism’, ‘nazism’, irrespective of the 6M (no, there are no news for me, I actually wrote some commentaries about that sometimes ago)?
    I certainly suspect that Churchill’s loss was a vote against those who pushed Britain into a war nobody wanted.

    Read More
  74. @anon

     In 1934, according to published statistics, 38.5 percent of those holding the most senior posts in the Soviet security apparatuses were of Jewish origin.
     
    ….

    So the vast majority were non Jews including the the leader .Obvious Jewish conspiracy , lads !!!!!!

    Conspiracies are always the deeds of minorities.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Ah yes, but they have to be small minorities to be secret and manageable....
  75. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @ThereisaGod
    This characterisation of Corbyn is demented. The author is obviously a rabid ideologue who is capable of irrationally projecting his own rabidity onto a reasonable, moderate and (has Derbyshire watched a Corbyn interview?) RESTRAINED Socialist.

    Lenin? Stalin? Mao?
    My arse.

    Unz Review articles are rarely tenth rate. Here's hoping this remains an exception.

    With respect to your username, there is indeed (something denied by the three you listed, probably Corbyn as well). Are there any examples of RESTRAINED socialist communists, deeply sympathetic to actual millenarian communist terrorists, who remained restrained once there was nothing external to restrain them?

    Now, neither I nor Derbyshire is suggesting that Mr. Corbyn would have become a mass murderer had he attained power as Her Majesty’s Prime Minister. But, with respect to his reasonableness and moderation and so on, has this commenter read Edgar Snow’s interviews with the aforementioned Mao? And are these qualities not apparently present therein?

    Read More
    • Replies: @Art
    Now, neither I nor Derbyshire is suggesting that Mr. Corbyn would have become a mass murderer had he attained power as Her Majesty’s Prime Minister.

    Say Anon --- why don't you be honest and just tell the truth.

    "I am JEW - I hate Corbyn, not because he is a socialist - but because of his views on Palestinians."

    "I will attack him - debase him - demean him - politically assassinate him - anything to keep the British people from voting for him."

    "I cannot help myself - I am a Jew. I am a product of my culture. That is what we do!"

    Peace --- Art
  76. @Kiza
    I occasionally read what this character types, wadding through a lot of muck to find a rare pearl of conservative thinking. This write up has none - there is not a single insight worth reading for. Communism bad, capitalism good is ok, but not worth reading for. Corbyn mostly bad but much better than totally worn out May, the same.

    I really wish there was a single good reason to read what was typed here. Just empty.

    Can’t wait till all these old cold warriors are pushing up daisies and we can have political discourse free of the tired dichotomies that were tired in 1960.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    It sounds like you know no history at all, buddy. There was quite a large dichotomy between the (formerly) free world and the Communist world, and it went on way, way past 1960. Have you read anything on Soviet Russia? How about Red China? How about the Khmer Rouge? Mr. Derbyshire tried to explain a little bit to you, but I guess reading is too damn hard.

    That's not to say that the same dichotomy exists between the same nations now. If you are trying to point out that Russia Soviet Union, I totally agree with you. The Commies have been inside the gates for a long time, and so the war is internal in America and Europe now (well, the Euros just encouraged this crap for years).

    I know nothing about this Corbyn besides what I read above, but a Commie is a Commie. If you end up experiencing a cultural revolution in this country, like the "antifa" is trying to start, well, then you'll learn about Communism the hard way. America is still their toughest nut to crack, as we haven't given up the guns. We're not going to either.

    , @Bill Jones
    “And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”
    ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
  77. @anon

     In 1934, according to published statistics, 38.5 percent of those holding the most senior posts in the Soviet security apparatuses were of Jewish origin.
     
    ….

    So the vast majority were non Jews including the the leader .Obvious Jewish conspiracy , lads !!!!!!

    In 1934, according to published statistics, 38.5 percent of those holding the most senior posts in the Soviet security apparatuses were of Jewish origin.

    ….
    So the vast majority were non Jews including the leader .Obvious Jewish conspiracy , lads !!!!!!

    You might be right there, Jews got themselves into the position to inflict maximum harm.

    With Jews at about 1% of the Russian population that’s a 38x Jewish over representation in the NKVD, and the leaders were Jewish , not Russian, Genrik Yagoda and Yakov Agranov (Head and deputy head of the NKVD 1934-36). And they did closely cooperate with Kaganovich ( Jewish) to remove all foodstuffs from the Ukraine and enable the death famine of the winter of 1931/32. Food removal was supervised by a majority of Jewish NKVD officers with something in the region of 6-7 million people being deliberately killed in what came to be known as the Holodomor.

    As your comment shows, Jews as a group have shown no remorse for this whatsoever.

    Read More
    • Replies: @anon
    Stalin was a Christian . I wonder if the penultimate leader was a Jew and a few of his underlings were Christian would that cause a 180 degree shift in your blame game ?
  78. @anon

     In 1934, according to published statistics, 38.5 percent of those holding the most senior posts in the Soviet security apparatuses were of Jewish origin.
     
    ….

    So the vast majority were non Jews including the the leader .Obvious Jewish conspiracy , lads !!!!!!

    I think Jews were around 3% of the Russian population at the time so if they made up almost 40% of the security apparatus I’d call that disproportionate and staggering.

    Read More
  79. @Sgt. Joe Friday
    "Communism" may be dead, but collectivist ideology and the threat of violence to impose it hasn't gone away.

    Humans are primates living in groups. When you remake human apes into bears, who are content to live all alone, collectives and collective violence would go away.

    Read More
  80. @Anon
    Great, please define fascism for everyone here.

    Here you go Anon! November 21st, 2015 Fascists Running America Endorse Nazism

    America didn’t eliminate the scourge of fascism in WW II. It shifted its headquarters from Berlin and Tokyo to Washington.

    http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.php/2015/11/21/fascists-running-america-endorse-nazism#more40892

    Which Corporations Control the World?

    A surprisingly small number of corporations control massive global market shares. How many of the brands below do you use? It’s a Small World at the Top, the largest banks hold a total of $25.1 trillion enough to fund the federal U.S. government for over 7 years or roughly $3500 per person on earth.

    http://www.internationalbusinessguide.org/corporations/

    Read More
  81. @Stogumber
    Pierre Gaxotte described the "protest voter" phenomenon already for the aftermath of the French Revolution, the "Directory" period. Masses of discontentend voters flocked to the altright, but when the altright was crushed by the government, next time these voters sought revenge by voting for the altleft - anything was better than the government (which had to save itself by abolishing democracy and installing Bonapartism).
    In a similar mind, many former UKIP voters seem to have voted for Labour (seeing that Corbyn was incessantly attacked by the Guardianistas and the rest of the "respectable Left"). And indeed - if we have only a choice between a workers' Bolshevism and a High Finance Bolshevism, the former is much preferable.

    And indeed – if we have only a choice between a workers’ Bolshevism and a High Finance Bolshevism, the former is much preferable.

    There is another choice – a third choice. It is direct cooperative ownership by the customers – customer Bolshevism if you will.

    Trains – government control and ownership provides costly and poor services – big bank ownership provides costly cattle car services – consumer cooperative ownership provides a balance determined by the customers.

    By using the train, you own the train – using it gives you a vote on how it is run – you chose equipment and management and schedules.

    The train will function for you – not the politicians and bureaucrats – not the greedy bankers in London town. The trains are legally and privately owned – they will still have to compete for customers. This violates no economic rules. There is no force used on anyone.

    There is nothing written in stone that says this cannot happen.

    Peace — Art

    Read More
    • Replies: @Sherman
    Hey Genius

    I had no idea you were such an economics expert!

    It must serve you well in the trailer park

    It's ironic you're so dependent on government assistance and can't get a job.

    Peace
    Sherm

    P.S. - How are the PORK and beans?
  82. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Miro23


    In 1934, according to published statistics, 38.5 percent of those holding the most senior posts in the Soviet security apparatuses were of Jewish origin.
     
    ….
    So the vast majority were non Jews including the leader .Obvious Jewish conspiracy , lads !!!!!!
     
    You might be right there, Jews got themselves into the position to inflict maximum harm.

    With Jews at about 1% of the Russian population that's a 38x Jewish over representation in the NKVD, and the leaders were Jewish , not Russian, Genrik Yagoda and Yakov Agranov (Head and deputy head of the NKVD 1934-36). And they did closely cooperate with Kaganovich ( Jewish) to remove all foodstuffs from the Ukraine and enable the death famine of the winter of 1931/32. Food removal was supervised by a majority of Jewish NKVD officers with something in the region of 6-7 million people being deliberately killed in what came to be known as the Holodomor.

    As your comment shows, Jews as a group have shown no remorse for this whatsoever.

    Stalin was a Christian . I wonder if the penultimate leader was a Jew and a few of his underlings were Christian would that cause a 180 degree shift in your blame game ?

    Read More
    • Replies: @Avery
    {Stalin was a Christian.}

    Stalin was born a Christian, but that means nothing: one has no choice who one's parents are.

    When Stalin became an adult, he chose Bolshevism: the anti-thesis of Christianity. Bolsheviks and then Communists destroyed 1,000 of Churches throughout Soviet Union, murdered 10s of 1,000s of Christian priests, and tried their best to eradicate Christianity from public life for ~70 years of their mis-rule.


    Try again you anti-Christian Fascist bigot.
  83. @Anon
    With respect to your username, there is indeed (something denied by the three you listed, probably Corbyn as well). Are there any examples of RESTRAINED socialist communists, deeply sympathetic to actual millenarian communist terrorists, who remained restrained once there was nothing external to restrain them?

    Now, neither I nor Derbyshire is suggesting that Mr. Corbyn would have become a mass murderer had he attained power as Her Majesty's Prime Minister. But, with respect to his reasonableness and moderation and so on, has this commenter read Edgar Snow's interviews with the aforementioned Mao? And are these qualities not apparently present therein?

    Now, neither I nor Derbyshire is suggesting that Mr. Corbyn would have become a mass murderer had he attained power as Her Majesty’s Prime Minister.

    Say Anon — why don’t you be honest and just tell the truth.

    “I am JEW – I hate Corbyn, not because he is a socialist – but because of his views on Palestinians.”

    “I will attack him – debase him – demean him – politically assassinate him – anything to keep the British people from voting for him.”

    “I cannot help myself – I am a Jew. I am a product of my culture. That is what we do!”

    Peace — Art

    Read More
    • Replies: @Anon

    Say Anon — why don’t you be honest and just tell the truth.

    “I am JEW"
     
    Because if I said I was a Jew I'd be lying? Lying actually presents a problem to some people, though not to your beloved Bolshies, many of whom were (and are) --wait for it-- Jews!
  84. Pathetic Brit conservative, unwilling to share his probably meager income, trying to emulate his 1% idols.
    Hooray for Corbyn!!!

    Read More
  85. @anon
    Stalin was a Christian . I wonder if the penultimate leader was a Jew and a few of his underlings were Christian would that cause a 180 degree shift in your blame game ?

    {Stalin was a Christian.}

    Stalin was born a Christian, but that means nothing: one has no choice who one’s parents are.

    When Stalin became an adult, he chose Bolshevism: the anti-thesis of Christianity. Bolsheviks and then Communists destroyed 1,000 of Churches throughout Soviet Union, murdered 10s of 1,000s of Christian priests, and tried their best to eradicate Christianity from public life for ~70 years of their mis-rule.

    Try again you anti-Christian Fascist bigot.

    Read More
    • Replies: @anon

    Stalin was born a Christian
     
    Yes , yes I suppose he was .

    Can you show me where he formally renounced Christianity . He was certainly never Jewish.


    Try again you anti-Christian Fascist bigot
     
    I am the farthest thing from an anti-Christian Fascist bigot. I support Christian causes such as the self determination and the restoration of native Christians lands from Islamist occupation and genoide. The end of the Nigerian occupation of Christian Biafra , the end of Indonesian occupation of Christian Papua , the end of Turkish occupation of Christian Cyprus are all causes I am firmly in support of .
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Stalin was born a Christian
     
    I believe the word is "baptized".
  86. Sub in “anti-jooie” for “anti-establishment” in this article and this it begins to make sense. Maybe 40% of the Brits are tired of being manipulated and ruled by jooies, so they voted for Corbyn whom the warmongering jooies loathe and detest. For a far leftie like Corbyn to get only 13% of the jooie vote (known locally as the bagel belt)……says it all.

    Read More
    • Replies: @anon

    Sub in “anti-jooie” for “anti-establishment” in this article and this it begins to make sense. Maybe 40% of the Brits are tired of being manipulated and ruled by jooies, so they voted for Corbyn whom the warmongering jooies loathe and detest. For a far leftie like Corbyn to get only 13% of the jooie vote (known locally as the bagel belt)……says it all.
     
    Get to the doctor STAT , your Stockholm Syndrome is at a critical state !!!!!!!!!!
    As Muslims kidnap , rape and pimp out thousands of White Christain girls as young as 12 years old and continue to invade your land , blow up at kid concerts the few little girls that you cucks are capable of birthing , run down Brits on bridges and stab you to death , and poop in your hummus at your precious Kebab shops that you cucks cant do without and you still sit and obsess about Jews . Good luck in the Caliphate , youre gonna need it !!!!!!
  87. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Avery
    {Stalin was a Christian.}

    Stalin was born a Christian, but that means nothing: one has no choice who one's parents are.

    When Stalin became an adult, he chose Bolshevism: the anti-thesis of Christianity. Bolsheviks and then Communists destroyed 1,000 of Churches throughout Soviet Union, murdered 10s of 1,000s of Christian priests, and tried their best to eradicate Christianity from public life for ~70 years of their mis-rule.


    Try again you anti-Christian Fascist bigot.

    Stalin was born a Christian

    Yes , yes I suppose he was .

    Can you show me where he formally renounced Christianity . He was certainly never Jewish.

    Try again you anti-Christian Fascist bigot

    I am the farthest thing from an anti-Christian Fascist bigot. I support Christian causes such as the self determination and the restoration of native Christians lands from Islamist occupation and genoide. The end of the Nigerian occupation of Christian Biafra , the end of Indonesian occupation of Christian Papua , the end of Turkish occupation of Christian Cyprus are all causes I am firmly in support of .

    Read More
    • Replies: @Avery
    {Can you show me where he formally renounced Christianity. .}

    No I can't.
    His adoption of Bolshevik ideology, his actions of destroying Christian churches, his actions of murdering Christian clergymen are more enough 'renunciation'. Formal or informal.

    {He was certainly never Jewish}

    No he wasn't: he was Georgian by ethnicity and Bolshevik by faith.
    Not Jewish by ethnicity, not Jewish by faith, nor Christian by faith.
    An anti-Christian, anti-religious ATHEIST.

    {I am the farthest thing from an anti-Christian Fascist bigot. I support Christian causes such as the self determination and the restoration of native Christians lands from Islamist occupation and genoide (Genocide).}

    I stand corrected.
    My apologies.
  88. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @nsa
    Sub in "anti-jooie" for "anti-establishment" in this article and this it begins to make sense. Maybe 40% of the Brits are tired of being manipulated and ruled by jooies, so they voted for Corbyn whom the warmongering jooies loathe and detest. For a far leftie like Corbyn to get only 13% of the jooie vote (known locally as the bagel belt)......says it all.

    Sub in “anti-jooie” for “anti-establishment” in this article and this it begins to make sense. Maybe 40% of the Brits are tired of being manipulated and ruled by jooies, so they voted for Corbyn whom the warmongering jooies loathe and detest. For a far leftie like Corbyn to get only 13% of the jooie vote (known locally as the bagel belt)……says it all.

    Get to the doctor STAT , your Stockholm Syndrome is at a critical state !!!!!!!!!!
    As Muslims kidnap , rape and pimp out thousands of White Christain girls as young as 12 years old and continue to invade your land , blow up at kid concerts the few little girls that you cucks are capable of birthing , run down Brits on bridges and stab you to death , and poop in your hummus at your precious Kebab shops that you cucks cant do without and you still sit and obsess about Jews . Good luck in the Caliphate , youre gonna need it !!!!!!

    Read More
  89. @Agent76
    See ya there! "Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!" Patrick Henry

    Old Pat would have a stroke today.

    At a minimum we’re all pretty much wage, tax and debt slaves, I think.

    “But while I beheld with pleasure the dawn of liberty rising in Europe, I saw with regret the lustre of it fading in America…
    But a faction, acting in disguise, was rising in America; they had lost sight of first principles. They were beginning to contemplate government as a profitable monopoly, and the people as hereditary property.“

    THOMAS PAINE TO THE CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES,
    And particularly to the Leaders of the Federal Faction.
    LETTER I, Nov 15,1802

    “The enlightened part of Europe have given us the greatest credit for inventing the instrument of security for the rights of the people and have been not a little surprised to see us so soon give it up.”

    Thomas Jefferson letter to Francis Hopkinson of March 13, 1789

    “Men haven’t got the freedom today that they had when the Constitution was written. The men in the West had a great deal of freedoms more than the men in the East who copied the traditions of Europe.
    In that time, men could go into their own business. They could follow farming and they could do this and that.”

    -Jeanette Rankin, interview, 1977 [I believe]

    Rankin, running as a Republican Progressive, was the first woman voted to congress.

    Read More
  90. @helena
    labour got votes from
    labour ukippers who couldn't vote tory for class reasons and who believe corbyn said he would brexit and reduce immigration
    youth who were pursued by labour with vigour on social media and who think politics is a branch of pop culture
    labour and tory voters who didnt want brexit

    but basically the wwc stuck two fingers up to the only person who said they would deliver brexit and now may has to carry on doing the job of brexit humiliated and with a huge handicap.

    the wwc have only themselves to blame for what happens next because they have behaved as ungrateful inverted snobs of the highest order.

    … and she also said terrizm was nothing to do with islam (till last week), sharia would be good for us, and the tsunami of random scab-tier immigration was absolutely nothing to do with her years and years in charge of it as Home Sec.

    Oh and she wants to shut down t’internet, on account of how it it solely to blame for radicalisation.

    The woman is a hopeless autistic cabbage, worse than Broon. And also from the 1950s, like him. Something went horribly wrong in higher education, round about Shirley Williams’ time.

    Jeeebus no wonder Cressida just takes it out on random christian civilians. I would too. Bang bang yore ded. Look! I did something! You’re all safe and comfy now.
    Because the wwc will never fight back.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Anonym
    The woman is a hopeless autistic cabbage, worse than Broon. And also from the 1950s, like him. Something went horribly wrong in higher education, round about Shirley Williams’ time.

    May is yet another gutless baby boomer politician. (Farage, Wilders et al are the exceptions that prove the rule.) All they know how to do is kowtow, avoid being called Hitler by the press, solicit donations to their party from the usual sources, and give their country away.
    , @Expletive Deleted
    Did my sums and I take it back about Baroness Williams. The critical damage occurred earlier. The real responsibility for inflicting Dunning-Kruger gits like Broon and Treeza on us, by giving them delusions of adequacy and university degrees, seems to belong squarely with the first Wilson regime, Tony Crosland and the like.
  91. @jacques sheete

    But as for the youth: What do young Brits know about the Cold War? What do they know about the horrors of Lenin, Stalin, and Mao? The artificial famines and mass killings, the slave-labor camps and torture chambers, the crushing of dissent and the endless official lying?
     
    I got news for ya. There are plenty of old farts that are clueless about all of that, and many don't even know that FDR and Churchill were Stalin's buddies, or that the most virulent forms of 20th century communist movements were financed by New York money bags. And if ya tell 'em, they lose it.

    "The recognition in 1933 in Washington of the USSR brought a tremendous change in the activities of the communists on our college campus. Recognition brought respectability; it led to the organization of such groups as Friends of the Soviet Union, which was led by engineers and social workers and which soon extended to the world of art and science and to education in general.



    Almost overnight and seemingly from nowhere organization arose. Groups of the Young Communist League and the League for Industrial Democracy — an organization originating in England among Fabians — appeared in our midst, small dedicated bands of young people. This soon led to mass groups of students who began clamoring for the right to meet on the campus; if permission was not granted, they met outside and protested very loudly.

    I was very conscious of one thing: these organizations were not springing up spontaneously; some creating group was behind them... Suddenly there had appeared on the indifferent campus a student group who seemed to care, to believe in things, to be willing to work and suffer for what they believed in and cared for. Before long they had infected the entire student body"

    -Bella Dodd, School of Darkness, Ch 6

     

    Please note that FDR recognized the USSR in 1933, right after the Stalin engineered famine and Ukrainian Holocaust (Holodomor), and at a time when Hitler had just started coming into power. You can bet that FDR didn't recognize the Soviet Union because the American people told him to, so can anyone guess who he thought would benefit?

    Thanks for the Bella Dodd reference. Interesting book.

    Read More
    • Replies: @jacques sheete
    There were more than a few people like her; otherwise intelligent people who got seduced by the glitz of money bags controlled communism as KenH so ably summarized in comment #33. It was quite "risque," fashionable, avant garde back in the '20s and '30s. Shockingly there are people today who still cling to similar notions.

    Communism in the West is billed as something politically edgy and sexy and as a system that cares about people and world peace. Never mind the assembly line murder, brutal political repression and its well documented economic failings. However, white youth falls for the syrupy, one world crap and feigned concern for the working class ...

    -KenH
     

    And the money bag crowd, as usual, milks it for all its worth. Once in a while a Bella Dodd, Eugene Lyons, or Solzhenitsyn comes along and exposes the fraud, but it barrels on nonetheless.

    I think it's sad that people today still believe the false dichotomy of capitalism vs communism. In the end, money co-opts or corrupts most if not all revolutions.

    The last sentence in Orwell's Animal Farm sums it up nicely.


    “The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.”

    ― George Orwell, Animal Farm
     

  92. @Art
    And indeed – if we have only a choice between a workers’ Bolshevism and a High Finance Bolshevism, the former is much preferable.

    There is another choice – a third choice. It is direct cooperative ownership by the customers - customer Bolshevism if you will.

    Trains – government control and ownership provides costly and poor services – big bank ownership provides costly cattle car services – consumer cooperative ownership provides a balance determined by the customers.

    By using the train, you own the train – using it gives you a vote on how it is run – you chose equipment and management and schedules.

    The train will function for you – not the politicians and bureaucrats – not the greedy bankers in London town. The trains are legally and privately owned – they will still have to compete for customers. This violates no economic rules. There is no force used on anyone.

    There is nothing written in stone that says this cannot happen.

    Peace --- Art

    Hey Genius

    I had no idea you were such an economics expert!

    It must serve you well in the trailer park

    It’s ironic you’re so dependent on government assistance and can’t get a job.

    Peace
    Sherm

    P.S. – How are the PORK and beans?

    Read More
    • Replies: @Art
    I had no idea you were such an economics expert!

    It must serve you well in the trailer park


    Hi Sherm,

    Our trailer park, next to the junkyard, beyond the dump, on the other side of the tracks, is cooperatively owned. We each own our little plot and all the common property in the park, in a legal owners association. It is one plot, one vote. (No coercion from the doublewides.)

    Private ownership is great. It is not much, but it is ours.

    Peace --- Art

    p.s. We have our own police force – it keeps the riffraff out (and us out of the county drunk tank).

    p.s. We are thinking about starting a cooperatively owned 7-11, to keep us in PORK n’ beans and Thunderbird.

  93. @Anon
    Great, please define fascism for everyone here.

    “And thus we are one step nearer to the great war ‘against Fascism’ (cf. 1914, ‘against militarism’) which will allow Fascism, British variety, to be slipped over our necks during the first week.”

    SPILLING THE SPANISH BEANS (1937)

    http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks03/0300011h.html

    Read More
  94. @anon

    Stalin was born a Christian
     
    Yes , yes I suppose he was .

    Can you show me where he formally renounced Christianity . He was certainly never Jewish.


    Try again you anti-Christian Fascist bigot
     
    I am the farthest thing from an anti-Christian Fascist bigot. I support Christian causes such as the self determination and the restoration of native Christians lands from Islamist occupation and genoide. The end of the Nigerian occupation of Christian Biafra , the end of Indonesian occupation of Christian Papua , the end of Turkish occupation of Christian Cyprus are all causes I am firmly in support of .

    {Can you show me where he formally renounced Christianity. .}

    No I can’t.
    His adoption of Bolshevik ideology, his actions of destroying Christian churches, his actions of murdering Christian clergymen are more enough ‘renunciation’. Formal or informal.

    {He was certainly never Jewish}

    No he wasn’t: he was Georgian by ethnicity and Bolshevik by faith.
    Not Jewish by ethnicity, not Jewish by faith, nor Christian by faith.
    An anti-Christian, anti-religious ATHEIST.

    {I am the farthest thing from an anti-Christian Fascist bigot. I support Christian causes such as the self determination and the restoration of native Christians lands from Islamist occupation and genoide (Genocide).}

    I stand corrected.
    My apologies.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Mao Cheng Ji

    His adoption of Bolshevik ideology, his actions of destroying Christian churches, his actions of murdering Christian clergymen are more enough ‘renunciation’.
     
    Mr Dzhugashvili-Stalin actually started as a good Christian, attended the Tbilisi Seminary.

    I highly doubt he ever killed any clergyman or destroyed any church personally, but even he did, it would hardly count for 'renunciation'. Christian sects were killing each other's priests for hundreds of years all over Europe, and before that western and eastern orthodox priests and followers were massacring each other left and right, and it's all fine. Didn't count as renunciation. Some of them are probably official saints now.

    Besides, the basic communist idea is not really different from the idea of early Christian communities, and, for that matter, even of some modern Christian communities (like the Amish). So rabid anti-communist and pious Christian don't really go all that well together.

  95. @anonymous-antiskynetist
    Can't wait till all these old cold warriors are pushing up daisies and we can have political discourse free of the tired dichotomies that were tired in 1960.

    It sounds like you know no history at all, buddy. There was quite a large dichotomy between the (formerly) free world and the Communist world, and it went on way, way past 1960. Have you read anything on Soviet Russia? How about Red China? How about the Khmer Rouge? Mr. Derbyshire tried to explain a little bit to you, but I guess reading is too damn hard.

    That’s not to say that the same dichotomy exists between the same nations now. If you are trying to point out that Russia Soviet Union, I totally agree with you. The Commies have been inside the gates for a long time, and so the war is internal in America and Europe now (well, the Euros just encouraged this crap for years).

    I know nothing about this Corbyn besides what I read above, but a Commie is a Commie. If you end up experiencing a cultural revolution in this country, like the “antifa” is trying to start, well, then you’ll learn about Communism the hard way. America is still their toughest nut to crack, as we haven’t given up the guns. We’re not going to either.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    ... to point out that Russia Soviet Union,....
     
    There was a NOT EQUAL sign in there between Russia & Soviet Union, based on C-syntax I think, but web software didn't like GT and LT signs, as it thought they were unknown html tags.

    Hey, found real not-equal symbol with Duckduckgo. Isn't the www great?

    Here: " ... to point out that Russian ≠ Soviet Union ..."
  96. @Jonathan Mason
    Animal Farm is still a popular text in middle school in the UK.

    Corbyn is quite a decent guy, and while some of his views are well to the left of what is considered conventional these days, the idea that people should be able to get an education without spending the rest of their lives in debt is not such a bad one.

    The relative success of Labour in the most recent election is just an indication of what a piss-poor job Theresa May is doing in uniting the nation as Prime Minister.

    However if you look at the electoral map of the UK, it appears that most of the red (Labour) seats border on other red seats, and the same goes for blue (Conservative) seats, indicating that geography (and underlying geology) has a lot to do with who gets elected to Parliament.

    Going back to nationalizing industries like railroads and the post office is actually a rather conservative program and would appeal to a lot of nostalgia lovers and public employees.

    “Going back to nationalizing industries like railroads and the post office is actually a rather conservative program and would appeal to a lot of nostalgia lovers and public employees.”

    Essential infrastructure is vital to the security and wellbeing of the nation and is thus too important to be left to the whims of profit. Friedrich List

    Read More
  97. @Achmed E. Newman
    It sounds like you know no history at all, buddy. There was quite a large dichotomy between the (formerly) free world and the Communist world, and it went on way, way past 1960. Have you read anything on Soviet Russia? How about Red China? How about the Khmer Rouge? Mr. Derbyshire tried to explain a little bit to you, but I guess reading is too damn hard.

    That's not to say that the same dichotomy exists between the same nations now. If you are trying to point out that Russia Soviet Union, I totally agree with you. The Commies have been inside the gates for a long time, and so the war is internal in America and Europe now (well, the Euros just encouraged this crap for years).

    I know nothing about this Corbyn besides what I read above, but a Commie is a Commie. If you end up experiencing a cultural revolution in this country, like the "antifa" is trying to start, well, then you'll learn about Communism the hard way. America is still their toughest nut to crack, as we haven't given up the guns. We're not going to either.

    … to point out that Russia Soviet Union,….

    There was a NOT EQUAL sign in there between Russia & Soviet Union, based on C-syntax I think, but web software didn’t like GT and LT signs, as it thought they were unknown html tags.

    Hey, found real not-equal symbol with Duckduckgo. Isn’t the www great?

    Here: ” … to point out that Russian ≠ Soviet Union …”

    Read More
    • Replies: @Anon
    <> (displays correctly in preview but might get stripped in post) is Pascal, C is "!=". The combox doesn't like the Pascal version because it looks like a malformed HTML tag.

    Probably just as well because these signs sometimes confuse non-programmers, as has happened with my posts before.

  98. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Art
    Now, neither I nor Derbyshire is suggesting that Mr. Corbyn would have become a mass murderer had he attained power as Her Majesty’s Prime Minister.

    Say Anon --- why don't you be honest and just tell the truth.

    "I am JEW - I hate Corbyn, not because he is a socialist - but because of his views on Palestinians."

    "I will attack him - debase him - demean him - politically assassinate him - anything to keep the British people from voting for him."

    "I cannot help myself - I am a Jew. I am a product of my culture. That is what we do!"

    Peace --- Art

    Say Anon — why don’t you be honest and just tell the truth.

    “I am JEW”

    Because if I said I was a Jew I’d be lying? Lying actually presents a problem to some people, though not to your beloved Bolshies, many of whom were (and are) –wait for it– Jews!

    Read More
  99. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Achmed E. Newman

    ... to point out that Russia Soviet Union,....
     
    There was a NOT EQUAL sign in there between Russia & Soviet Union, based on C-syntax I think, but web software didn't like GT and LT signs, as it thought they were unknown html tags.

    Hey, found real not-equal symbol with Duckduckgo. Isn't the www great?

    Here: " ... to point out that Russian ≠ Soviet Union ..."

    <> (displays correctly in preview but might get stripped in post) is Pascal, C is “!=”. The combox doesn’t like the Pascal version because it looks like a malformed HTML tag.

    Probably just as well because these signs sometimes confuse non-programmers, as has happened with my posts before.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Thank you, Anon. I was not sure it was C either, but I sure didn't recall Pascal at the time (used it briefly in mid-80's, I think!) Yeah, I was gonna do !=, but the Pascal one does make a little more sense to a laymen - ("Greater-than/Less-than, so maybe in the middle", vs. "EQUAL, DAMMIT!" ;-}

    For me, .NE. would be understandable, as FORTRAN stays with you for life. Well, it was my 2nd language after English, sniff, sniff ....

    2 things, though:

    1) How come your less-than/greater-than signs DIDN'T get stripped - I see them - but mine did?
    2) I wonder how you could make the real symbol, ≠, with the keyboard somehow.

    Lastly, I'll tell you a short story (hope you're still reading). A girl at my company had emailed that she could not get the grammar right in some memo, as the "1" key was not working. I emailed her about 500 of them, and said "Here are some, I hope this can last a while. Let me know if you need more" Haha... Yes, I do know that one will suffice or she could have looked for any document anywhere with a "1" in it. That's like this ≠ thing. I just needed to find one on-line.

    See ya.
  100. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Mr. Anon

    I occasionally read what this character types, wadding through a lot of muck to find a rare pearl of conservative thinking.
     
    And yet nobody bothers to wade through what you write, nor cares what you think.

    That was a super dumb comment. You obviously care what he thinks.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    But your comment is even dumber. As a matter of plain logic he has indeed shown that he has waded [cp. "wadded"] through Kiza's emission but not that he cares what Kiza thinks.
    , @Mr. Anon
    "You obviously care what he thinks."

    No, I don't. I don't care what you think either.
    , @Achmed E. Newman

    @Mr. Anon

    That was a super dumb comment. You obviously care what he thinks.

    • Replies: @Anonymous, @Mr. Anon
     
    Good gracious, people, pick some damn handles already! Do you all think the NSA can't find you now? We I mean they, can. Could you not just pick a handle just for Derb, another for iSteve, or better yet one for Unz in general, but don't use it for any email addresses etc. (of course, you don't put a real email address in here, but you've to got use the same fake one to be seen as the same individual on unz - found that out by mistake.)
    , @Achmed E. Newman


    That was a super dumb comment. You obviously care what he thinks.
    Replies: Anonymous, Mr. Anon
     

    Good gracious, people, pick some damn handles already! Do you all think the NSA can’t find you now? We I mean they, can. Could you not just pick a handle just for Derb, another for iSteve, or better yet one for Unz in general, but don’t use it for any email addresses etc. (of course, you don’t put a real email address in here, but you’ve to got use the same fake one to be seen as the same individual on unz – found that out by mistake.)

    [Sent again because, the last one got munged due to "at signs", I guess. I'm not complaining about the software here, though - best commenting system I've ever seen.]

  101. @anonymous

    To his credit, Corbyn is anti Israel so there was at least the possibility that he would have put Britain’s interests ahead of the Jews, two things which are. as in most countries, mutually exclusive.
     
    What would be more beneficial to the average UK native :
    A government that is friendly toward Israel and curbs Islamic invasion into UK
    or
    A government that is anti Israel but floods UK with Muslims and coupled with the
    non existent birth rate of native UK people renders the UK a Muslim land
    ??

    Friend, before the Moslems are dealt with the Jews must be. Remember that it’s (((multiculturalists))) that promote Moslem immigration to Britain.

    Read More
  102. @Expletive Deleted
    ... and she also said terrizm was nothing to do with islam (till last week), sharia would be good for us, and the tsunami of random scab-tier immigration was absolutely nothing to do with her years and years in charge of it as Home Sec.

    Oh and she wants to shut down t'internet, on account of how it it solely to blame for radicalisation.

    The woman is a hopeless autistic cabbage, worse than Broon. And also from the 1950s, like him. Something went horribly wrong in higher education, round about Shirley Williams' time.

    Jeeebus no wonder Cressida just takes it out on random christian civilians. I would too. Bang bang yore ded. Look! I did something! You're all safe and comfy now.
    Because the wwc will never fight back.

    The woman is a hopeless autistic cabbage, worse than Broon. And also from the 1950s, like him. Something went horribly wrong in higher education, round about Shirley Williams’ time.

    May is yet another gutless baby boomer politician. (Farage, Wilders et al are the exceptions that prove the rule.) All they know how to do is kowtow, avoid being called Hitler by the press, solicit donations to their party from the usual sources, and give their country away.

    Read More
  103. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    somehow got forty percent of Brits to vote for him, five days after anti-British terrorists ran amok in the nation’s capital. What’s up with that?

    the jihadist attacks are partly why – they create massive cognitive dissonance in all the brain washed “diversity is our strength” liberals and the only two ways to deal with it are 1) give up their ideology or 2) double down on the SJW chanting to shut out the dissonance – enough to even get the youth out to vote

    (nb separate to the SJW thing care needs to be taken when people are talking about the youth vote as it is disproportionately immigrant)

    the second factor is the millions of immigrant voters imported since Blair opened the borders who are now a solid vote bank for Labour – especially Muslims because they have a very high voting rate because their community leaders organize bloc voting using postal votes. the immigrant vote bank votes for gibs and don’t care about stuff like the EU.

    Read More
  104. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @helena
    labour got votes from
    labour ukippers who couldn't vote tory for class reasons and who believe corbyn said he would brexit and reduce immigration
    youth who were pursued by labour with vigour on social media and who think politics is a branch of pop culture
    labour and tory voters who didnt want brexit

    but basically the wwc stuck two fingers up to the only person who said they would deliver brexit and now may has to carry on doing the job of brexit humiliated and with a huge handicap.

    the wwc have only themselves to blame for what happens next because they have behaved as ungrateful inverted snobs of the highest order.

    labour got votes from labour ukippers who couldn’t vote tory for class reasons and who believe corbyn said he would brexit and reduce immigration

    there’s no evidence for this – it’s just instinctive con class prejudice to blame wwc rather than SJW youth, immigrants or themselves

    1) cons did nothing about the growing political indoctrination in the schools which has spawned the SJW Red Guard

    2) cons imported millions of immigrants for cheap labor and now those immigrants are voting against the cons – as was always obvious they would

    3) May’s dementia tax brought lots of usually apolitical people out to vote against her

    Read More
    • Replies: @helena
    There is evidence but it has not been analysed. Get hold of the podcasts for LBC programmes for the week before the election and do a count of who rings in saying they were a Ukipper but they can't vote Tory so they'll have to vote Labour.

    The other evidence is my own experiences which I won't bore you with but surfice to say that you'll notice that middle-class lefties speak with a London working class accent - communi'ies and all that. The wwc sneer at anyone who they suspect speaks proper or has posh in their blood. And that is their downfall because virtually all social reforms in history have come from the top down.

    3) At the current time a person who has to go into care has to pay for that care from their savings and then from their property down to 23,000£. That has been the law for a couple of decades.

    The proposed change would:
    a) extend the ability to take savings and property, to those who require care in the home

    b) defer payment/sale of house until after death

    c) increase (by 4x) the residual sum that the citizen (or offspring) keeps to 100,000£

    The cap that was introduced (the so-called u-turn) means that those with the most assets would be protected! The wwc class in their confusion triggered an amendment that protects the rich.

  105. No one on TV is an “outsider”, Old Sport. They are all a coterie of liars, actors and shills who serve the same master.

    Read More
  106. This woman is cut from the same cloth as May.

    Read More
    • Replies: @anon
    senior police are all vermin now because they've been filtered for 30 years on the basis of how much they'd grovel to PC
    , @Expletive Deleted
    How's the American doctor doing? The one that Cressy's stormtroopers managed to plug in the eye while spunking off a bucketful of ammo in a blind panic. He was inside the pub (NB: targets outside pub).
    Lucky he stayed indoors as ordered, so they couldn't just grab him and do a Jean-Charles on him.
    Usual compo is around a hundred, hundred-fifty grand, even for Death by Met.
    , @Dan Hayes
    Anonym:

    Peter Hitchens in the Daily Mail termed Cressida Dick a "PC Plodder" when she was vying for the post of London Police Commissioner. That was (and is) an apt description of her as Hitchens delved into her PC background.

    To be forewarned is to be forearmed!
  107. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @anonymous

    To his credit, Corbyn is anti Israel so there was at least the possibility that he would have put Britain’s interests ahead of the Jews, two things which are. as in most countries, mutually exclusive.
     
    What would be more beneficial to the average UK native :
    A government that is friendly toward Israel and curbs Islamic invasion into UK
    or
    A government that is anti Israel but floods UK with Muslims and coupled with the
    non existent birth rate of native UK people renders the UK a Muslim land
    ??

    What would be more beneficial to the average UK native :
    A government that is friendly toward Israel and curbs Islamic invasion into UK
    or
    A government that is anti Israel but floods UK with Muslims and coupled with the
    non existent birth rate of native UK people renders the UK a Muslim land
    ??

    if the first was an option then the first – but it’s not an option so far

    the options currently are
    pro Israel and pro mass immigration
    or
    anti Israel and pro mass immigration

    which is a non choice – which leads to not voting

    Read More
  108. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @KenH
    Jeremy Corbyn sounds like the U.K.'s goy version of Bernie Sanders. I'm no expert on Corbyn's politics but it doesn't appear that he would lift a finger to reverse Britain's demographic spiral and give it back to the native white Brits who are its rightful inhabitants and owners.

    Jeremy Corbyn sounds like the U.K.’s goy version of Bernie Sanders.

    Yes, the UK election was like Sanders vs Jeb Bush (if Sanders was more openly radical) and he came close to winning.

    I’m no expert on Corbyn’s politics but it doesn’t appear that he would lift a finger to reverse Britain’s demographic spiral and give it back to the native white Brits who are its rightful inhabitants and owners.

    Yes, he’s 100% anti-nationalist, pro-immigration and multicult so people being pleased because Jews don’t like him over his pro-Palestinian views are being a tad short-sighted imo.

    Although personally i’m glad he did well – but not win – as hopefully it will wake the cons up to the fact that if they keep importing cheap labor then they will get Cuba – might be a wake up call for GOPe too.

    Read More
  109. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Anonym
    This woman is cut from the same cloth as May.

    https://twitter.com/ABC/status/873636522838421504

    senior police are all vermin now because they’ve been filtered for 30 years on the basis of how much they’d grovel to PC

    Read More
    • Replies: @jim jones
    I agree, look how the Police have terrorized that enemy of the State Tommy Robinson.
  110. LOL at feeling more friendly towards Macron because he worked at the Rothschild bank.
    Endless official lying under communism … hmm … reminds me of something closer to home.

    Read More
  111. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @anon
    That was a super dumb comment. You obviously care what he thinks.

    But your comment is even dumber. As a matter of plain logic he has indeed shown that he has waded [cp. "wadded"] through Kiza’s emission but not that he cares what Kiza thinks.

    Read More
  112. @anon

    labour got votes from labour ukippers who couldn’t vote tory for class reasons and who believe corbyn said he would brexit and reduce immigration
     
    there's no evidence for this - it's just instinctive con class prejudice to blame wwc rather than SJW youth, immigrants or themselves

    1) cons did nothing about the growing political indoctrination in the schools which has spawned the SJW Red Guard

    2) cons imported millions of immigrants for cheap labor and now those immigrants are voting against the cons - as was always obvious they would

    3) May's dementia tax brought lots of usually apolitical people out to vote against her

    There is evidence but it has not been analysed. Get hold of the podcasts for LBC programmes for the week before the election and do a count of who rings in saying they were a Ukipper but they can’t vote Tory so they’ll have to vote Labour.

    The other evidence is my own experiences which I won’t bore you with but surfice to say that you’ll notice that middle-class lefties speak with a London working class accent – communi’ies and all that. The wwc sneer at anyone who they suspect speaks proper or has posh in their blood. And that is their downfall because virtually all social reforms in history have come from the top down.

    3) At the current time a person who has to go into care has to pay for that care from their savings and then from their property down to 23,000£. That has been the law for a couple of decades.

    The proposed change would:
    a) extend the ability to take savings and property, to those who require care in the home

    b) defer payment/sale of house until after death

    c) increase (by 4x) the residual sum that the citizen (or offspring) keeps to 100,000£

    The cap that was introduced (the so-called u-turn) means that those with the most assets would be protected! The wwc class in their confusion triggered an amendment that protects the rich.

    Read More
    • Replies: @anon
    defending May's obvious tactical error over the dementia tax and blaming wwc kippers instead

    right
  113. “Of twentieth-century totalitarianism, all they know is Hitlery-Hitlery Hitler Hitler Hitlery-Hitler.”

    Exactly, Derb. Before they overreached, and before the pyre in Berlin, Hitler and Mussolini were exponents of national revivification by national solidarity. Mussolini’s Fascism, I think, actually enjoyed a pretty robust intellectual foundation. See, for example, A. J. Gregor’s works. After 1945, the idea that one could talk in a healthy, forthright manner about nation and race at the public lectern was dead at the scene. Race, in the political sense, now means only preferences, of which there can never be enough; nation means, at most, gross domestic product, and, of course, neither borders or people..

    My judgment is we’ve stumbled in the States into a sort of Fascism Lite, governance by corporate “estates” using presidents and legislators as their nominees. The only thing that’s missing is the welfare of the people. Imagine a Hitler who confined himself to shilling for Mercedes and Pelikan, while undermining wages at home, and tossing occasional, and very meaningless rhetorical comfort food to ethnic Germans in Poland and elsewhere.

    Long story short: I’m not very comfortable with Richard Spencer’s style, the quality of his immediate followership, or his prospects for success. But, his willingness to see overwhelmingly positive elements among the European and American peoples that are under serious threat is pretty much on the money.

    Read More
  114. @Avery
    {Can you show me where he formally renounced Christianity. .}

    No I can't.
    His adoption of Bolshevik ideology, his actions of destroying Christian churches, his actions of murdering Christian clergymen are more enough 'renunciation'. Formal or informal.

    {He was certainly never Jewish}

    No he wasn't: he was Georgian by ethnicity and Bolshevik by faith.
    Not Jewish by ethnicity, not Jewish by faith, nor Christian by faith.
    An anti-Christian, anti-religious ATHEIST.

    {I am the farthest thing from an anti-Christian Fascist bigot. I support Christian causes such as the self determination and the restoration of native Christians lands from Islamist occupation and genoide (Genocide).}

    I stand corrected.
    My apologies.

    His adoption of Bolshevik ideology, his actions of destroying Christian churches, his actions of murdering Christian clergymen are more enough ‘renunciation’.

    Mr Dzhugashvili-Stalin actually started as a good Christian, attended the Tbilisi Seminary.

    I highly doubt he ever killed any clergyman or destroyed any church personally, but even he did, it would hardly count for ‘renunciation’. Christian sects were killing each other’s priests for hundreds of years all over Europe, and before that western and eastern orthodox priests and followers were massacring each other left and right, and it’s all fine. Didn’t count as renunciation. Some of them are probably official saints now.

    Besides, the basic communist idea is not really different from the idea of early Christian communities, and, for that matter, even of some modern Christian communities (like the Amish). So rabid anti-communist and pious Christian don’t really go all that well together.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Avery
    {I highly doubt he ever killed any clergyman or destroyed any church personally,....}

    Are you serious?
    When we say so-and-so leader killed or murdered, we obviously do not mean him personally. What, you think "Hitler killed millions" means he killed them personally ?
    Apparently by your thinking "Trump bombs Syria" means President Trump personally bombed Syria. Yes?

    Lenin, then after him Stalin gave the orders, and Checkists killed, murdered, and destroyed

    {.... it would hardly count for ‘renunciation’. }

    Really?
    Ordering the murders of Christians and symbols of Christianity is what then? Affirmation of one's Christians beliefs?

    , @Seraphim
    Even if you don't believe the legend that Stalin ordered that the Icon of the Mother of God of Vladimir be flown over Moscow in December 1941 and that stopped the German offensive, it is certain that he reopened the Churches and reinstated the Patriarch, thus appealing to the Orthodox patriotism of the Russians (atheistic communism seemed to not have worked enough to boost the morale). After that he maintained amiable relations with the Church. Persecution was reinstated by the 'anti-stalinists' who came to power after the assassination of Stalin. Did Stalin have a change of heart?
  115. @anon
    senior police are all vermin now because they've been filtered for 30 years on the basis of how much they'd grovel to PC

    I agree, look how the Police have terrorized that enemy of the State Tommy Robinson.

    Read More
  116. @Kiza
    It appears that you are the one who did wadding through my typing and you cared about what I think. Otherwise, you would have not have written your comment.

    Why do people always say that? Just cause I comment, doesn’t mean I care what you write. You wrote two lines – it was hardly something to wade through, more like something to glance over.

    You insulted Mr. Derbyshire, a man who has written fortran code that is more interesting than what you have to say. I insulted you in turn.

    People come here to read him. Not you.

    No, I really don’t care what you write.

    Read More
  117. @anon
    That was a super dumb comment. You obviously care what he thinks.

    “You obviously care what he thinks.”

    No, I don’t. I don’t care what you think either.

    Read More
    • Replies: @DaveE
    This seems to happen a lot in the Twitter age (and age-group). Morons with nothing to contribute who are so self-enamored they think they're going to save the world in 130 characters. Or that personal jibes and venting actually mean something.

    Including our own chief executive moron who seems to struggle to hold a coherent thought, let alone build coherent policies and plans.

    "Opinions are like assholes. Everybody's got one".

    Anyway, nice takedown. Several in fact.
  118. @Laugh Track
    Thanks for the Bella Dodd reference. Interesting book.

    There were more than a few people like her; otherwise intelligent people who got seduced by the glitz of money bags controlled communism as KenH so ably summarized in comment #33. It was quite “risque,” fashionable, avant garde back in the ’20s and ’30s. Shockingly there are people today who still cling to similar notions.

    Communism in the West is billed as something politically edgy and sexy and as a system that cares about people and world peace. Never mind the assembly line murder, brutal political repression and its well documented economic failings. However, white youth falls for the syrupy, one world crap and feigned concern for the working class …

    -KenH

    And the money bag crowd, as usual, milks it for all its worth. Once in a while a Bella Dodd, Eugene Lyons, or Solzhenitsyn comes along and exposes the fraud, but it barrels on nonetheless.

    I think it’s sad that people today still believe the false dichotomy of capitalism vs communism. In the end, money co-opts or corrupts most if not all revolutions.

    The last sentence in Orwell’s Animal Farm sums it up nicely.

    “The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.”

    ― George Orwell, Animal Farm

    Read More
  119. I’m wholeheartedly in the lamppost brigade, and would like nothing more than to see some politicians swinging in the breeze.

    Meanwhile, that picture of the obnoxious idiot Sadiq Khan standing next to an actual man left me roaring with laughter. I hope that pic goes viral across all social media,

    I had previously had a mental image of Khan as an Oily Goblin, but in my minds eye I now see him as a Poison Dwarf. Still dangerous though, no matter how tiny he may be.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "I’m wholeheartedly in the lamppost brigade, and would like nothing more than to see some politicians swinging in the breeze."

    Except you will do nothing of the sort, you're merely blowing off steam.
    , @KA
    Just like Rudy following 911 . Oh I am sorry he was the leader of the free mind .Later became the Mayor of America turning entire America suffering from post 911 PTSD.
  120. Macron’s the epitome of the globalists’ insider establishment bankster. I’d guess he’s so far in, he’s way out.

    Read More
  121. @LSWCHP
    I'm wholeheartedly in the lamppost brigade, and would like nothing more than to see some politicians swinging in the breeze.

    Meanwhile, that picture of the obnoxious idiot Sadiq Khan standing next to an actual man left me roaring with laughter. I hope that pic goes viral across all social media,

    I had previously had a mental image of Khan as an Oily Goblin, but in my minds eye I now see him as a Poison Dwarf. Still dangerous though, no matter how tiny he may be.

    “I’m wholeheartedly in the lamppost brigade, and would like nothing more than to see some politicians swinging in the breeze.”

    Except you will do nothing of the sort, you’re merely blowing off steam.

    Read More
  122. @Mr. Anon
    "You obviously care what he thinks."

    No, I don't. I don't care what you think either.

    This seems to happen a lot in the Twitter age (and age-group). Morons with nothing to contribute who are so self-enamored they think they’re going to save the world in 130 characters. Or that personal jibes and venting actually mean something.

    Including our own chief executive moron who seems to struggle to hold a coherent thought, let alone build coherent policies and plans.

    “Opinions are like assholes. Everybody’s got one”.

    Anyway, nice takedown. Several in fact.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Authenticjazzman
    So the party of "intellectuals" the democrats, with their geniuse congressmen who are concerned that the movement of troops and equipment to a US owned island will cause said island to "tip over" due to the added weight, this is the party which is capable of holding "coherent thoughts".

    Look you dissolute dirtbags lost the election, and you are in immense pain for which we are experiencing long overdue schadenfreude, and we hope it intensifies over the next eight years.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army vet and pro jazz artist.
  123. @Mao Cheng Ji

    His adoption of Bolshevik ideology, his actions of destroying Christian churches, his actions of murdering Christian clergymen are more enough ‘renunciation’.
     
    Mr Dzhugashvili-Stalin actually started as a good Christian, attended the Tbilisi Seminary.

    I highly doubt he ever killed any clergyman or destroyed any church personally, but even he did, it would hardly count for 'renunciation'. Christian sects were killing each other's priests for hundreds of years all over Europe, and before that western and eastern orthodox priests and followers were massacring each other left and right, and it's all fine. Didn't count as renunciation. Some of them are probably official saints now.

    Besides, the basic communist idea is not really different from the idea of early Christian communities, and, for that matter, even of some modern Christian communities (like the Amish). So rabid anti-communist and pious Christian don't really go all that well together.

    {I highly doubt he ever killed any clergyman or destroyed any church personally,….}

    Are you serious?
    When we say so-and-so leader killed or murdered, we obviously do not mean him personally. What, you think “Hitler killed millions” means he killed them personally ?
    Apparently by your thinking “Trump bombs Syria” means President Trump personally bombed Syria. Yes?

    Lenin, then after him Stalin gave the orders, and Checkists killed, murdered, and destroyed

    {…. it would hardly count for ‘renunciation’. }

    Really?
    Ordering the murders of Christians and symbols of Christianity is what then? Affirmation of one’s Christians beliefs?

    Read More
    • Replies: @Avery
    [On 5 December 1931, by order of Stalin's minister Lazar Kaganovich, the Cathedral of Christ the Saviour was dynamited and reduced to rubble. It took more than a year to clear the debris from the site. Some of the marble from the walls and marble benches from the cathedral were used in nearby Moscow Metro stations. The original marble high reliefs were preserved and are now on display at the Donskoy Monastery (see the photo). For many decades, these reliefs were the only reminders of one of the largest Orthodox churches ever built.]*

    Yes, I know it's Wiki.
    But there is no controversy that the massive Cathedral of Christ the Saviour was dynamited by Chekists and reduced to rubble, is there?
    Ordered by Stalin (thru his right hand man).
    And, no he didn't light the fuses to the dynamite sticks personally.
    _____

    *
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathedral_of_Christ_the_Saviour#Demolition
  124. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Dear Mr. D., dear John.
    In the body of your piece above from Radio DERB of 2017 / 06 / 09 ,
    devoted to Corbyn, operation ctrl. “jew” gave zero results,
    meanwhile it gave 47 results in the comment section above,
    as of Sunday 10:00 AM Eastern time.
    It should be a source of concern for you.

    Read More
  125. @Expletive Deleted
    ... and she also said terrizm was nothing to do with islam (till last week), sharia would be good for us, and the tsunami of random scab-tier immigration was absolutely nothing to do with her years and years in charge of it as Home Sec.

    Oh and she wants to shut down t'internet, on account of how it it solely to blame for radicalisation.

    The woman is a hopeless autistic cabbage, worse than Broon. And also from the 1950s, like him. Something went horribly wrong in higher education, round about Shirley Williams' time.

    Jeeebus no wonder Cressida just takes it out on random christian civilians. I would too. Bang bang yore ded. Look! I did something! You're all safe and comfy now.
    Because the wwc will never fight back.

    Did my sums and I take it back about Baroness Williams. The critical damage occurred earlier. The real responsibility for inflicting Dunning-Kruger gits like Broon and Treeza on us, by giving them delusions of adequacy and university degrees, seems to belong squarely with the first Wilson regime, Tony Crosland and the like.

    Read More
  126. @Avery
    {I highly doubt he ever killed any clergyman or destroyed any church personally,....}

    Are you serious?
    When we say so-and-so leader killed or murdered, we obviously do not mean him personally. What, you think "Hitler killed millions" means he killed them personally ?
    Apparently by your thinking "Trump bombs Syria" means President Trump personally bombed Syria. Yes?

    Lenin, then after him Stalin gave the orders, and Checkists killed, murdered, and destroyed

    {.... it would hardly count for ‘renunciation’. }

    Really?
    Ordering the murders of Christians and symbols of Christianity is what then? Affirmation of one's Christians beliefs?

    [On 5 December 1931, by order of Stalin's minister Lazar Kaganovich, the Cathedral of Christ the Saviour was dynamited and reduced to rubble. It took more than a year to clear the debris from the site. Some of the marble from the walls and marble benches from the cathedral were used in nearby Moscow Metro stations. The original marble high reliefs were preserved and are now on display at the Donskoy Monastery (see the photo). For many decades, these reliefs were the only reminders of one of the largest Orthodox churches ever built.]*

    Yes, I know it’s Wiki.
    But there is no controversy that the massive Cathedral of Christ the Saviour was dynamited by Chekists and reduced to rubble, is there?
    Ordered by Stalin (thru his right hand man).
    And, no he didn’t light the fuses to the dynamite sticks personally.
    _____

    *

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathedral_of_Christ_the_Saviour#Demolition

    Read More
    • Replies: @Mao Cheng Ji

    But there is no controversy that the massive Cathedral of Christ the Saviour was dynamited by Chekists and reduced to rubble, is there?
     
    Big deal, a building got blown up. Are you a true believer or are you into architecture? Your body is a temple of the holly spirit. Or are you just picking any excuse to justify your anti-commie rage, the source of which you can't even figure out yourself?
  127. @Anonym
    This woman is cut from the same cloth as May.

    https://twitter.com/ABC/status/873636522838421504

    How’s the American doctor doing? The one that Cressy’s stormtroopers managed to plug in the eye while spunking off a bucketful of ammo in a blind panic. He was inside the pub (NB: targets outside pub).
    Lucky he stayed indoors as ordered, so they couldn’t just grab him and do a Jean-Charles on him.
    Usual compo is around a hundred, hundred-fifty grand, even for Death by Met.

    Read More
  128. @Anonym
    This woman is cut from the same cloth as May.

    https://twitter.com/ABC/status/873636522838421504

    Anonym:

    Peter Hitchens in the Daily Mail termed Cressida Dick a “PC Plodder” when she was vying for the post of London Police Commissioner. That was (and is) an apt description of her as Hitchens delved into her PC background.

    To be forewarned is to be forearmed!

    Read More
  129. @Anon
    <> (displays correctly in preview but might get stripped in post) is Pascal, C is "!=". The combox doesn't like the Pascal version because it looks like a malformed HTML tag.

    Probably just as well because these signs sometimes confuse non-programmers, as has happened with my posts before.

    Thank you, Anon. I was not sure it was C either, but I sure didn’t recall Pascal at the time (used it briefly in mid-80′s, I think!) Yeah, I was gonna do !=, but the Pascal one does make a little more sense to a laymen – (“Greater-than/Less-than, so maybe in the middle”, vs. “EQUAL, DAMMIT!” ;-}

    For me, .NE. would be understandable, as FORTRAN stays with you for life. Well, it was my 2nd language after English, sniff, sniff ….

    2 things, though:

    1) How come your less-than/greater-than signs DIDN’T get stripped – I see them – but mine did?
    2) I wonder how you could make the real symbol, ≠, with the keyboard somehow.

    Lastly, I’ll tell you a short story (hope you’re still reading). A girl at my company had emailed that she could not get the grammar right in some memo, as the “1″ key was not working. I emailed her about 500 of them, and said “Here are some, I hope this can last a while. Let me know if you need more” Haha… Yes, I do know that one will suffice or she could have looked for any document anywhere with a “1″ in it. That’s like this ≠ thing. I just needed to find one on-line.

    See ya.

    Read More
  130. @anon
    That was a super dumb comment. You obviously care what he thinks.

    That was a super dumb comment. You obviously care what he thinks.

    • Replies: ymous,

    Good gracious, people, pick some damn handles already! Do you all think the NSA can’t find you now? We I mean they, can. Could you not just pick a handle just for Derb, another for iSteve, or better yet one for Unz in general, but don’t use it for any email addresses etc. (of course, you don’t put a real email address in here, but you’ve to got use the same fake one to be seen as the same individual on unz – found that out by mistake.)

    Read More
  131. @Avery
    [On 5 December 1931, by order of Stalin's minister Lazar Kaganovich, the Cathedral of Christ the Saviour was dynamited and reduced to rubble. It took more than a year to clear the debris from the site. Some of the marble from the walls and marble benches from the cathedral were used in nearby Moscow Metro stations. The original marble high reliefs were preserved and are now on display at the Donskoy Monastery (see the photo). For many decades, these reliefs were the only reminders of one of the largest Orthodox churches ever built.]*

    Yes, I know it's Wiki.
    But there is no controversy that the massive Cathedral of Christ the Saviour was dynamited by Chekists and reduced to rubble, is there?
    Ordered by Stalin (thru his right hand man).
    And, no he didn't light the fuses to the dynamite sticks personally.
    _____

    *
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathedral_of_Christ_the_Saviour#Demolition

    But there is no controversy that the massive Cathedral of Christ the Saviour was dynamited by Chekists and reduced to rubble, is there?

    Big deal, a building got blown up. Are you a true believer or are you into architecture? Your body is a temple of the holly spirit. Or are you just picking any excuse to justify your anti-commie rage, the source of which you can’t even figure out yourself?

    Read More
    • Replies: @Avery
    {Or are you just picking any excuse to justify your anti-commie rage, the source of which you can’t even figure out yourself?}

    Wow: that was deep man.

    'Are you a true believer or..': ouch.

    , @ka
    Stalin personally did not drop the hammer He sent his minions and some persons who were paid to support their families . Their jobs included demolition .

    It is just like Bush who sent some miscreants to bomb the Shia mosque . Cheney stepped up the plate feeling sorry for the unnecessary violence .

    It meant a lot for Stalin. The Shia mosque meant a lot to the faces that Bush was tasked to hide .
  132. @anon
    That was a super dumb comment. You obviously care what he thinks.

    That was a super dumb comment. You obviously care what he thinks.
    Replies: Anonymous, Mr. Anon

    Good gracious, people, pick some damn handles already! Do you all think the NSA can’t find you now? We I mean they, can. Could you not just pick a handle just for Derb, another for iSteve, or better yet one for Unz in general, but don’t use it for any email addresses etc. (of course, you don’t put a real email address in here, but you’ve to got use the same fake one to be seen as the same individual on unz – found that out by mistake.)

    [Sent again because, the last one got munged due to "at signs", I guess. I'm not complaining about the software here, though - best commenting system I've ever seen.]

    Read More
  133. @Mao Cheng Ji

    But there is no controversy that the massive Cathedral of Christ the Saviour was dynamited by Chekists and reduced to rubble, is there?
     
    Big deal, a building got blown up. Are you a true believer or are you into architecture? Your body is a temple of the holly spirit. Or are you just picking any excuse to justify your anti-commie rage, the source of which you can't even figure out yourself?

    {Or are you just picking any excuse to justify your anti-commie rage, the source of which you can’t even figure out yourself?}

    Wow: that was deep man.

    ‘Are you a true believer or..’: ouch.

    Read More
  134. @KenH
    Jeremy Corbyn sounds like the U.K.'s goy version of Bernie Sanders. I'm no expert on Corbyn's politics but it doesn't appear that he would lift a finger to reverse Britain's demographic spiral and give it back to the native white Brits who are its rightful inhabitants and owners.

    Jeremy Corbyn sounds like the U.K.’s goy version of Bernie Sanders. I’m no expert on Corbyn’s politics but it doesn’t appear that he would lift a finger to reverse Britain’s demographic spiral and give it back to the native white Brits who are its rightful inhabitants and owners.

    But neither would May, or the ‘Conservative’ establishment.

    Corbyn at least appears to be offering a credible threat to the ‘Invade the World’ part of ‘Invade the World, Invite the World’. Whereas the alternative threatens neither.

    So is it not a net gain, however imperfect?

    Read More
  135. @LSWCHP
    I'm wholeheartedly in the lamppost brigade, and would like nothing more than to see some politicians swinging in the breeze.

    Meanwhile, that picture of the obnoxious idiot Sadiq Khan standing next to an actual man left me roaring with laughter. I hope that pic goes viral across all social media,

    I had previously had a mental image of Khan as an Oily Goblin, but in my minds eye I now see him as a Poison Dwarf. Still dangerous though, no matter how tiny he may be.

    Just like Rudy following 911 . Oh I am sorry he was the leader of the free mind .Later became the Mayor of America turning entire America suffering from post 911 PTSD.

    Read More
  136. @Mao Cheng Ji

    But there is no controversy that the massive Cathedral of Christ the Saviour was dynamited by Chekists and reduced to rubble, is there?
     
    Big deal, a building got blown up. Are you a true believer or are you into architecture? Your body is a temple of the holly spirit. Or are you just picking any excuse to justify your anti-commie rage, the source of which you can't even figure out yourself?

    Stalin personally did not drop the hammer He sent his minions and some persons who were paid to support their families . Their jobs included demolition .

    It is just like Bush who sent some miscreants to bomb the Shia mosque . Cheney stepped up the plate feeling sorry for the unnecessary violence .

    It meant a lot for Stalin. The Shia mosque meant a lot to the faces that Bush was tasked to hide .

    Read More
  137. I think there is anger, but that doesn’t explain everything. There is also a great deal of fear.

    The British election seems easy enough to understand. Corbyn = Sanders, May = Romney. Faced with such a choice, the electorate teeter and wobble, and when May foolishly and rashly had them vote again, the yoof almost threw her out. But the slight majority are fearful, and voted for old and half-dead over old and crazy.

    In France, there is the fear of invasion and fear of going broke; but since the former has already happened, and everybody says it’s “impossible” to turn it back, might as well try to not go broke. So, vote for the money-man. Again, it’s only a slight majority, but fear keeps away candidates like Le Pen and Fillon. Macron was the sort of financially safe vote. With him, maybe you can afford stouter walls and cars to protect against the savages and invaders. Not that anybody really believes that: but what can anyone do?

    Read More
  138. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @helena
    There is evidence but it has not been analysed. Get hold of the podcasts for LBC programmes for the week before the election and do a count of who rings in saying they were a Ukipper but they can't vote Tory so they'll have to vote Labour.

    The other evidence is my own experiences which I won't bore you with but surfice to say that you'll notice that middle-class lefties speak with a London working class accent - communi'ies and all that. The wwc sneer at anyone who they suspect speaks proper or has posh in their blood. And that is their downfall because virtually all social reforms in history have come from the top down.

    3) At the current time a person who has to go into care has to pay for that care from their savings and then from their property down to 23,000£. That has been the law for a couple of decades.

    The proposed change would:
    a) extend the ability to take savings and property, to those who require care in the home

    b) defer payment/sale of house until after death

    c) increase (by 4x) the residual sum that the citizen (or offspring) keeps to 100,000£

    The cap that was introduced (the so-called u-turn) means that those with the most assets would be protected! The wwc class in their confusion triggered an amendment that protects the rich.

    defending May’s obvious tactical error over the dementia tax and blaming wwc kippers instead

    right

    Read More
    • Replies: @helena
    yes it is right; it is a correct analysis. The tactical error wasn't obvious at the time. The labour vote was augmented on the one hand by young voters (remainers for the most part) and on the other, by labour-ukippers. Labour-ukippers swallowing their wc pride and voting tory would have made a difference. now brexit is in jeopardy. Before this fire incident, the radio talk was about whether the labour manifesto claims, which persuaded lab-kips it was safe to vote lab, are binding or not; and of course they're not.
  139. @Sherman
    Hey Genius

    I had no idea you were such an economics expert!

    It must serve you well in the trailer park

    It's ironic you're so dependent on government assistance and can't get a job.

    Peace
    Sherm

    P.S. - How are the PORK and beans?

    I had no idea you were such an economics expert!

    It must serve you well in the trailer park

    Hi Sherm,

    Our trailer park, next to the junkyard, beyond the dump, on the other side of the tracks, is cooperatively owned. We each own our little plot and all the common property in the park, in a legal owners association. It is one plot, one vote. (No coercion from the doublewides.)

    Private ownership is great. It is not much, but it is ours.

    Peace — Art

    p.s. We have our own police force – it keeps the riffraff out (and us out of the county drunk tank).

    p.s. We are thinking about starting a cooperatively owned 7-11, to keep us in PORK n’ beans and Thunderbird.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Art, you are Adam Smith's own redneck! Sounds like a very decent living arrangement.
  140. @Greasy William

    oddly, those same nationalists, who murdered people because their forebears came to Ireland 400 years ago, seem quite happy to see Ireland turned pretty quickly by mass immigration into a replica of modern England
     
    I never got that. Whoever was right, what was the point of shedding so much blood on both sides if at the end the island was just going to be given away to 3rd worlders?

    “Whoever was right, what was the point of shedding so much blood on both sides if at the end the island was just going to be given away to 3rd worlders?”

    I wonder if some Japanese historian is looking at the UK, US, France (and indeed Germany) and wondering the same thing?

    Read More
  141. @anonymous-antiskynetist
    Can't wait till all these old cold warriors are pushing up daisies and we can have political discourse free of the tired dichotomies that were tired in 1960.

    “And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?… The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If…if…We didn’t love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation…. We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”
    ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Read More
  142. @Jonathan Mason
    Animal Farm is still a popular text in middle school in the UK.

    Corbyn is quite a decent guy, and while some of his views are well to the left of what is considered conventional these days, the idea that people should be able to get an education without spending the rest of their lives in debt is not such a bad one.

    The relative success of Labour in the most recent election is just an indication of what a piss-poor job Theresa May is doing in uniting the nation as Prime Minister.

    However if you look at the electoral map of the UK, it appears that most of the red (Labour) seats border on other red seats, and the same goes for blue (Conservative) seats, indicating that geography (and underlying geology) has a lot to do with who gets elected to Parliament.

    Going back to nationalizing industries like railroads and the post office is actually a rather conservative program and would appeal to a lot of nostalgia lovers and public employees.

    Someone always pays. And in the modern unviersity system that someone is paying for socialist indoctrination in class warfare, racial grievance mongering and SJW rabble rousing.

    Read More
  143. @Art
    I had no idea you were such an economics expert!

    It must serve you well in the trailer park


    Hi Sherm,

    Our trailer park, next to the junkyard, beyond the dump, on the other side of the tracks, is cooperatively owned. We each own our little plot and all the common property in the park, in a legal owners association. It is one plot, one vote. (No coercion from the doublewides.)

    Private ownership is great. It is not much, but it is ours.

    Peace --- Art

    p.s. We have our own police force – it keeps the riffraff out (and us out of the county drunk tank).

    p.s. We are thinking about starting a cooperatively owned 7-11, to keep us in PORK n’ beans and Thunderbird.

    Art, you are Adam Smith’s own redneck! Sounds like a very decent living arrangement.

    Read More
  144. @Mao Cheng Ji

    His adoption of Bolshevik ideology, his actions of destroying Christian churches, his actions of murdering Christian clergymen are more enough ‘renunciation’.
     
    Mr Dzhugashvili-Stalin actually started as a good Christian, attended the Tbilisi Seminary.

    I highly doubt he ever killed any clergyman or destroyed any church personally, but even he did, it would hardly count for 'renunciation'. Christian sects were killing each other's priests for hundreds of years all over Europe, and before that western and eastern orthodox priests and followers were massacring each other left and right, and it's all fine. Didn't count as renunciation. Some of them are probably official saints now.

    Besides, the basic communist idea is not really different from the idea of early Christian communities, and, for that matter, even of some modern Christian communities (like the Amish). So rabid anti-communist and pious Christian don't really go all that well together.

    Even if you don’t believe the legend that Stalin ordered that the Icon of the Mother of God of Vladimir be flown over Moscow in December 1941 and that stopped the German offensive, it is certain that he reopened the Churches and reinstated the Patriarch, thus appealing to the Orthodox patriotism of the Russians (atheistic communism seemed to not have worked enough to boost the morale). After that he maintained amiable relations with the Church. Persecution was reinstated by the ‘anti-stalinists’ who came to power after the assassination of Stalin. Did Stalin have a change of heart?

    Read More
    • Replies: @Mao Cheng Ji
    Who knows. But I don't think there ever was (excluding the civil war period) much of persecution. The party and komsomol members weren't supposed to be religious, but everyone else was free to attend services and perform rituals.

    Most just weren't interested. But I heard that in central Asia it was common for local party bosses to practice secretly, and then, as soon as they'd retired, openly. That's Islam, obviously.
  145. @Seraphim
    Even if you don't believe the legend that Stalin ordered that the Icon of the Mother of God of Vladimir be flown over Moscow in December 1941 and that stopped the German offensive, it is certain that he reopened the Churches and reinstated the Patriarch, thus appealing to the Orthodox patriotism of the Russians (atheistic communism seemed to not have worked enough to boost the morale). After that he maintained amiable relations with the Church. Persecution was reinstated by the 'anti-stalinists' who came to power after the assassination of Stalin. Did Stalin have a change of heart?

    Who knows. But I don’t think there ever was (excluding the civil war period) much of persecution. The party and komsomol members weren’t supposed to be religious, but everyone else was free to attend services and perform rituals.

    Most just weren’t interested. But I heard that in central Asia it was common for local party bosses to practice secretly, and then, as soon as they’d retired, openly. That’s Islam, obviously.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Seraphim
    No, it was persecution all the way, and a savage persecution at that. That 'everyone else was free to attend services and perform rituals' is simply a lie. The data are so damning that even Wikipedia could not conceal them:

    "The tenth CPSU congress met in 1921 and it passed a resolution calling for 'wide-scale organization, leadership, and cooperation in the task of anti-religious agitation and propaganda among the broad masses of the workers, using the mass media, films, books, lectures, and other devices....
    In August 1921, a Plenary meeting of the CPSU Central Committee (the highest leadership of the state) adopted an 11-point instruction on the interpretation and application of article 13 (mentioned above). It differentiated between religious believers and uneducated believers, and allowed the latter to have party membership if they were devoted to Communism, but that they should be re-educated to make them atheists. It also called for moderation in the anti-religious campaign and emphasized that the state was fighting against all religion and not simply individual ones (such as the Orthodox church)
    The public debates began to be suppressed after the 10th congress, until they were formally suspended in 1929 and replaced with public lectures by atheists... Anti-religious education began in secondary schools in 1925.
    The church allegedly tried to set up free religio-philosophical academies, study circles and periodicals in the 1920s, which Lenin met by arresting and expelling all the organizers abroad and shutting down these efforts with force.
    Despite the August 1921 instruction, the state took a very hard line against the Orthodox Church on the pretext that it was a legacy of the Tsarist past (the difference in practice and policy may have reflected internal disagreement among the party leadership). Leon Trotsky wanted Patriarch Tikhon to be killed, but Lenin forbade it for fear it would produce another Patriarch Hermogenes (a Patriarch who was killed by the Poles when they occupied Moscow in 1612).
    In 1922, the Solovki Camp of Special Purpose, the first Russian concentration camp and a former Orthodox monastery, was established in the Solovki Islands in the White Sea. In the years 1917–1935, 130,000 Russian Orthodox priests were arrested; 95,000 were put to death, executed by firing squad. Father Pavel Florensky, exiled in 1928 and executed in 1937, was one of the New-martyrs of this particular period...
    The Komsomol and later LMG would try to implement the 10th Congress resolution by various attacks, parades, theatrical performances, journals, brochures and films. The Komsomol would hold crude blasphemous 'Komsomol Christmases' and 'Komsomol Easters' headed by hooligans dressed as orthodox clergy. The processions would include the burning of icons, religious books, mock images of Christ, the Virgin, etc. The propaganda campaign, however, was a failure and many people remained with their religious convictions. The church held its own public events with some success, and well competed with the anti-religious propaganda during these years...
    Between 1927 and 1940, the number of Orthodox churches in the Russian Republic fell from 29,584 to fewer than 500..
    Anti-religious education was introduced beginning in the first-grade in 1928 and anti-religious work was intensified throughout the education system. At the same time, in order to remove the church's intellectuals and support official propaganda that only backward people believed in God, the government conducted a massive purge of Christian intellectuals, most of whom died in the camps or in prison....
    The church's successful competition with the ongoing and widespread atheistic propaganda, prompted new laws to be adopted in 1929 on 'Religious Associations' as well as amendments to the constitution, which forbade all forms of public, social, communal, educational, publishing or missionary activities for religious believers. This also prevented, of course, the church from printing any material for public consumption or responding to the criticism against it. This caused many religious tracts to be circulated as illegal literature or samizdat.[25] Numerous other measures were introduced that were designed to cripple the church, and effectively made it illegal to have religious activities of any sort outside of liturgical services within the walls of the few churches that would remain open, and even these would be subject to much interference and harassment. Catechism classes, religious schools, study groups, Sunday schools and religious publications were all illegal and/or banned".
    After 1929 and through the 1930s, the closing of churches, mass arrests of the clergy and religiously active laity, and persecution of people for attending church reached unprecedented proportions.The LMG employed terror tactics against believers in order to further the campaign, while employing the guise of protecting the state or prosecuting law-breakers. The clergy were attacked as foreign spies and trials of bishops were conducted with their clergy as well as lay adherents who were reported as 'subversive terroristic gangs' that had been unmasked. Official propaganda at the time called for the banishment of the very concept of God from the Soviet Union. These persecutions were meant to assist the ultimate socialist goal of eliminating religion. From 1932 to 1937 Joseph Stalin declared the 'five-year plans of atheism' and the LMG was charged with completely eliminating all religious expression in the country. Many of these same methods and terror tactics were also imposed against others that the regime considered to be its ideological enemies..."
    ...in 1959, Nikita Khrushchev initiated his own campaign against the Russian Orthodox Church and forced the closure of about 12,000 churches. By 1985, fewer than 7,000 churches remained active".

    And that's just a little sample.
  146. @Jonathan Mason
    Animal Farm is still a popular text in middle school in the UK.

    Corbyn is quite a decent guy, and while some of his views are well to the left of what is considered conventional these days, the idea that people should be able to get an education without spending the rest of their lives in debt is not such a bad one.

    The relative success of Labour in the most recent election is just an indication of what a piss-poor job Theresa May is doing in uniting the nation as Prime Minister.

    However if you look at the electoral map of the UK, it appears that most of the red (Labour) seats border on other red seats, and the same goes for blue (Conservative) seats, indicating that geography (and underlying geology) has a lot to do with who gets elected to Parliament.

    Going back to nationalizing industries like railroads and the post office is actually a rather conservative program and would appeal to a lot of nostalgia lovers and public employees.

    ” Corbyn is quite a decent guy”.

    yeah sure and I bet you think BC is quite a decent guy.

    Corbyn is a lunatic commie leftover from 1968, and I guess GB has to go the route of Venezuela before they maybe come to their senses.

    You have no clue as to what you are blathering about.

    Authenticjazzman “mensa” society membwer since 1973, airborne qualified US Army vet and pro jazz musician

    Read More
  147. @DaveE
    This seems to happen a lot in the Twitter age (and age-group). Morons with nothing to contribute who are so self-enamored they think they're going to save the world in 130 characters. Or that personal jibes and venting actually mean something.

    Including our own chief executive moron who seems to struggle to hold a coherent thought, let alone build coherent policies and plans.

    "Opinions are like assholes. Everybody's got one".

    Anyway, nice takedown. Several in fact.

    So the party of “intellectuals” the democrats, with their geniuse congressmen who are concerned that the movement of troops and equipment to a US owned island will cause said island to “tip over” due to the added weight, this is the party which is capable of holding “coherent thoughts”.

    Look you dissolute dirtbags lost the election, and you are in immense pain for which we are experiencing long overdue schadenfreude, and we hope it intensifies over the next eight years.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army vet and pro jazz artist.

    Read More
  148. @Mao Cheng Ji
    Who knows. But I don't think there ever was (excluding the civil war period) much of persecution. The party and komsomol members weren't supposed to be religious, but everyone else was free to attend services and perform rituals.

    Most just weren't interested. But I heard that in central Asia it was common for local party bosses to practice secretly, and then, as soon as they'd retired, openly. That's Islam, obviously.

    No, it was persecution all the way, and a savage persecution at that. That ‘everyone else was free to attend services and perform rituals’ is simply a lie. The data are so damning that even Wikipedia could not conceal them:

    “The tenth CPSU congress met in 1921 and it passed a resolution calling for ‘wide-scale organization, leadership, and cooperation in the task of anti-religious agitation and propaganda among the broad masses of the workers, using the mass media, films, books, lectures, and other devices….
    In August 1921, a Plenary meeting of the CPSU Central Committee (the highest leadership of the state) adopted an 11-point instruction on the interpretation and application of article 13 (mentioned above). It differentiated between religious believers and uneducated believers, and allowed the latter to have party membership if they were devoted to Communism, but that they should be re-educated to make them atheists. It also called for moderation in the anti-religious campaign and emphasized that the state was fighting against all religion and not simply individual ones (such as the Orthodox church)
    The public debates began to be suppressed after the 10th congress, until they were formally suspended in 1929 and replaced with public lectures by atheists… Anti-religious education began in secondary schools in 1925.
    The church allegedly tried to set up free religio-philosophical academies, study circles and periodicals in the 1920s, which Lenin met by arresting and expelling all the organizers abroad and shutting down these efforts with force.
    Despite the August 1921 instruction, the state took a very hard line against the Orthodox Church on the pretext that it was a legacy of the Tsarist past (the difference in practice and policy may have reflected internal disagreement among the party leadership). Leon Trotsky wanted Patriarch Tikhon to be killed, but Lenin forbade it for fear it would produce another Patriarch Hermogenes (a Patriarch who was killed by the Poles when they occupied Moscow in 1612).
    In 1922, the Solovki Camp of Special Purpose, the first Russian concentration camp and a former Orthodox monastery, was established in the Solovki Islands in the White Sea. In the years 1917–1935, 130,000 Russian Orthodox priests were arrested; 95,000 were put to death, executed by firing squad. Father Pavel Florensky, exiled in 1928 and executed in 1937, was one of the New-martyrs of this particular period…
    The Komsomol and later LMG would try to implement the 10th Congress resolution by various attacks, parades, theatrical performances, journals, brochures and films. The Komsomol would hold crude blasphemous ‘Komsomol Christmases’ and ‘Komsomol Easters’ headed by hooligans dressed as orthodox clergy. The processions would include the burning of icons, religious books, mock images of Christ, the Virgin, etc. The propaganda campaign, however, was a failure and many people remained with their religious convictions. The church held its own public events with some success, and well competed with the anti-religious propaganda during these years…
    Between 1927 and 1940, the number of Orthodox churches in the Russian Republic fell from 29,584 to fewer than 500..
    Anti-religious education was introduced beginning in the first-grade in 1928 and anti-religious work was intensified throughout the education system. At the same time, in order to remove the church’s intellectuals and support official propaganda that only backward people believed in God, the government conducted a massive purge of Christian intellectuals, most of whom died in the camps or in prison….
    The church’s successful competition with the ongoing and widespread atheistic propaganda, prompted new laws to be adopted in 1929 on ‘Religious Associations’ as well as amendments to the constitution, which forbade all forms of public, social, communal, educational, publishing or missionary activities for religious believers. This also prevented, of course, the church from printing any material for public consumption or responding to the criticism against it. This caused many religious tracts to be circulated as illegal literature or samizdat.[25] Numerous other measures were introduced that were designed to cripple the church, and effectively made it illegal to have religious activities of any sort outside of liturgical services within the walls of the few churches that would remain open, and even these would be subject to much interference and harassment. Catechism classes, religious schools, study groups, Sunday schools and religious publications were all illegal and/or banned”.
    After 1929 and through the 1930s, the closing of churches, mass arrests of the clergy and religiously active laity, and persecution of people for attending church reached unprecedented proportions.The LMG employed terror tactics against believers in order to further the campaign, while employing the guise of protecting the state or prosecuting law-breakers. The clergy were attacked as foreign spies and trials of bishops were conducted with their clergy as well as lay adherents who were reported as ‘subversive terroristic gangs’ that had been unmasked. Official propaganda at the time called for the banishment of the very concept of God from the Soviet Union. These persecutions were meant to assist the ultimate socialist goal of eliminating religion. From 1932 to 1937 Joseph Stalin declared the ‘five-year plans of atheism’ and the LMG was charged with completely eliminating all religious expression in the country. Many of these same methods and terror tactics were also imposed against others that the regime considered to be its ideological enemies…”
    …in 1959, Nikita Khrushchev initiated his own campaign against the Russian Orthodox Church and forced the closure of about 12,000 churches. By 1985, fewer than 7,000 churches remained active”.

    And that’s just a little sample.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Mao Cheng Ji

    That ‘everyone else was free to attend services and perform rituals’ is simply a lie.
     
    It's not. Name one ordinary (non-communist, non-komsomol, non-official) person persecuted for attending services. Even in the case of komsomol and party members, the worst that could happen was getting kicked out of the organization, which seems fair enough: those were atheist organizations, if you want to be religious, don't join.
  149. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    May is a globalist much like Hillary.

    Corbyn is a globalist in a sense(he is pro-immigration), but he is an enemy of elite-globalism, and that was the attraction.

    In order for the Right to win, it needs to combine political rightism(nationalism) with economic leftism. It needs to be social-nationalism.

    Read More
  150. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    All European nations have weak indecisive leaders.

    So, whoever’s in power gets scapegoated and a new guy is put in place, but he turns out to be just another colorless spineless globo-crat.

    Consider how Hollande the socialist won but got all the blame and fell hard.

    If Corbyn had won this time around, he would have lost bigger than Hollande down the line.

    European nations have no national leaders. They have globocrats.

    They need a strong leader with national vision like Putin or DeGaulle.

    Instead, they got a series of diddly-doo’s

    Read More
  151. @Kiza
    I occasionally read what this character types, wadding through a lot of muck to find a rare pearl of conservative thinking. This write up has none - there is not a single insight worth reading for. Communism bad, capitalism good is ok, but not worth reading for. Corbyn mostly bad but much better than totally worn out May, the same.

    I really wish there was a single good reason to read what was typed here. Just empty.

    Sod off, ya wanker.

    Derbyshire’s insight is: outsiders, both fake and real, continue to win.

    Read More
  152. @Seraphim
    No, it was persecution all the way, and a savage persecution at that. That 'everyone else was free to attend services and perform rituals' is simply a lie. The data are so damning that even Wikipedia could not conceal them:

    "The tenth CPSU congress met in 1921 and it passed a resolution calling for 'wide-scale organization, leadership, and cooperation in the task of anti-religious agitation and propaganda among the broad masses of the workers, using the mass media, films, books, lectures, and other devices....
    In August 1921, a Plenary meeting of the CPSU Central Committee (the highest leadership of the state) adopted an 11-point instruction on the interpretation and application of article 13 (mentioned above). It differentiated between religious believers and uneducated believers, and allowed the latter to have party membership if they were devoted to Communism, but that they should be re-educated to make them atheists. It also called for moderation in the anti-religious campaign and emphasized that the state was fighting against all religion and not simply individual ones (such as the Orthodox church)
    The public debates began to be suppressed after the 10th congress, until they were formally suspended in 1929 and replaced with public lectures by atheists... Anti-religious education began in secondary schools in 1925.
    The church allegedly tried to set up free religio-philosophical academies, study circles and periodicals in the 1920s, which Lenin met by arresting and expelling all the organizers abroad and shutting down these efforts with force.
    Despite the August 1921 instruction, the state took a very hard line against the Orthodox Church on the pretext that it was a legacy of the Tsarist past (the difference in practice and policy may have reflected internal disagreement among the party leadership). Leon Trotsky wanted Patriarch Tikhon to be killed, but Lenin forbade it for fear it would produce another Patriarch Hermogenes (a Patriarch who was killed by the Poles when they occupied Moscow in 1612).
    In 1922, the Solovki Camp of Special Purpose, the first Russian concentration camp and a former Orthodox monastery, was established in the Solovki Islands in the White Sea. In the years 1917–1935, 130,000 Russian Orthodox priests were arrested; 95,000 were put to death, executed by firing squad. Father Pavel Florensky, exiled in 1928 and executed in 1937, was one of the New-martyrs of this particular period...
    The Komsomol and later LMG would try to implement the 10th Congress resolution by various attacks, parades, theatrical performances, journals, brochures and films. The Komsomol would hold crude blasphemous 'Komsomol Christmases' and 'Komsomol Easters' headed by hooligans dressed as orthodox clergy. The processions would include the burning of icons, religious books, mock images of Christ, the Virgin, etc. The propaganda campaign, however, was a failure and many people remained with their religious convictions. The church held its own public events with some success, and well competed with the anti-religious propaganda during these years...
    Between 1927 and 1940, the number of Orthodox churches in the Russian Republic fell from 29,584 to fewer than 500..
    Anti-religious education was introduced beginning in the first-grade in 1928 and anti-religious work was intensified throughout the education system. At the same time, in order to remove the church's intellectuals and support official propaganda that only backward people believed in God, the government conducted a massive purge of Christian intellectuals, most of whom died in the camps or in prison....
    The church's successful competition with the ongoing and widespread atheistic propaganda, prompted new laws to be adopted in 1929 on 'Religious Associations' as well as amendments to the constitution, which forbade all forms of public, social, communal, educational, publishing or missionary activities for religious believers. This also prevented, of course, the church from printing any material for public consumption or responding to the criticism against it. This caused many religious tracts to be circulated as illegal literature or samizdat.[25] Numerous other measures were introduced that were designed to cripple the church, and effectively made it illegal to have religious activities of any sort outside of liturgical services within the walls of the few churches that would remain open, and even these would be subject to much interference and harassment. Catechism classes, religious schools, study groups, Sunday schools and religious publications were all illegal and/or banned".
    After 1929 and through the 1930s, the closing of churches, mass arrests of the clergy and religiously active laity, and persecution of people for attending church reached unprecedented proportions.The LMG employed terror tactics against believers in order to further the campaign, while employing the guise of protecting the state or prosecuting law-breakers. The clergy were attacked as foreign spies and trials of bishops were conducted with their clergy as well as lay adherents who were reported as 'subversive terroristic gangs' that had been unmasked. Official propaganda at the time called for the banishment of the very concept of God from the Soviet Union. These persecutions were meant to assist the ultimate socialist goal of eliminating religion. From 1932 to 1937 Joseph Stalin declared the 'five-year plans of atheism' and the LMG was charged with completely eliminating all religious expression in the country. Many of these same methods and terror tactics were also imposed against others that the regime considered to be its ideological enemies..."
    ...in 1959, Nikita Khrushchev initiated his own campaign against the Russian Orthodox Church and forced the closure of about 12,000 churches. By 1985, fewer than 7,000 churches remained active".

    And that's just a little sample.

    That ‘everyone else was free to attend services and perform rituals’ is simply a lie.

    It’s not. Name one ordinary (non-communist, non-komsomol, non-official) person persecuted for attending services. Even in the case of komsomol and party members, the worst that could happen was getting kicked out of the organization, which seems fair enough: those were atheist organizations, if you want to be religious, don’t join.

    Read More
  153. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Seraphim
    Conspiracies are always the deeds of minorities.

    Ah yes, but they have to be small minorities to be secret and manageable….

    Read More
  154. @Mao Cheng Ji

    That ‘everyone else was free to attend services and perform rituals’ is simply a lie.
     
    It's not. Name one ordinary (non-communist, non-komsomol, non-official) person persecuted for attending services. Even in the case of komsomol and party members, the worst that could happen was getting kicked out of the organization, which seems fair enough: those were atheist organizations, if you want to be religious, don't join.

    You don’t know what you are talking about.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Mao Cheng Ji
    Oh yes, I certainly do know what I'm talking about. And your quoting English-language wikipedia on this subject strongly suggests that you don't.
    , @Anonymous
    Hey, gentlemen, do not be so serious!
    http://rvb.ru/pushkin/01text/01versus/0423_36/1826/0420.htm
    *
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%84%D0%B8%D0%BC%D1%8B
  155. @Seraphim
    You don't know what you are talking about.

    Oh yes, I certainly do know what I’m talking about. And your quoting English-language wikipedia on this subject strongly suggests that you don’t.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Seraphim
    You are ridiculous with this kind of infantile arguments..
  156. @anon
    defending May's obvious tactical error over the dementia tax and blaming wwc kippers instead

    right

    yes it is right; it is a correct analysis. The tactical error wasn’t obvious at the time. The labour vote was augmented on the one hand by young voters (remainers for the most part) and on the other, by labour-ukippers. Labour-ukippers swallowing their wc pride and voting tory would have made a difference. now brexit is in jeopardy. Before this fire incident, the radio talk was about whether the labour manifesto claims, which persuaded lab-kips it was safe to vote lab, are binding or not; and of course they’re not.

    Read More
  157. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Seraphim
    You don't know what you are talking about.
    Read More
    • Replies: @Seraphim
    You do me too much honor. As I explained once to another commentator who made fun of my using the name, Seraphim (Serafin, Serafina) is a common (both personal or family) name in Christian countries.
  158. @Mao Cheng Ji
    Oh yes, I certainly do know what I'm talking about. And your quoting English-language wikipedia on this subject strongly suggests that you don't.

    You are ridiculous with this kind of infantile arguments..

    Read More
  159. @Anonymous
    Hey, gentlemen, do not be so serious!
    http://rvb.ru/pushkin/01text/01versus/0423_36/1826/0420.htm
    *
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%84%D0%B8%D0%BC%D1%8B

    You do me too much honor. As I explained once to another commentator who made fun of my using the name, Seraphim (Serafin, Serafina) is a common (both personal or family) name in Christian countries.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Please accept my apologies for insensitive remarks.
    But Pushkin's poem is the first thing that comes into association.
    For your entertainment:
    http://rvb.ru/pushkin/01text/01versus/0423_36/1824/0345.htm
    *
    Постыло вам и сочиненье.
    Позвольте просто вам сказать:
    Не продается вдохновенье,
    Но можно рукопись продать.
  160. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Seraphim
    You do me too much honor. As I explained once to another commentator who made fun of my using the name, Seraphim (Serafin, Serafina) is a common (both personal or family) name in Christian countries.

    Please accept my apologies for insensitive remarks.
    But Pushkin’s poem is the first thing that comes into association.
    For your entertainment:

    http://rvb.ru/pushkin/01text/01versus/0423_36/1824/0345.htm

    *
    Постыло вам и сочиненье.
    Позвольте просто вам сказать:
    Не продается вдохновенье,
    Но можно рукопись продать.

    Read More
  161. You have nothing to apologize for. Thank you for the poem. There might be a relation, maybe unconscious, with St. Seraphim of Sarov.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    God bless you and your loved ones !
    http://www.vniief.ru/wps/wcm/connect/vniief/site/presscenter/zatosarov/sarovplace/
  162. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Seraphim
    You have nothing to apologize for. Thank you for the poem. There might be a relation, maybe unconscious, with St. Seraphim of Sarov.
    Read More
  163. God bless you too and your loved ones.
    Not far from Sarov and Diveyevo is the Oranki Monastery. It might be of interest to you to search:
    http://www.johnsanidopoulos.com/2009/11/tragedy-of-oranki-monastery-as.html

    Read More
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I remember drinking milk (bottled at nearby small Diveevo milk factory, Дивеевскй молокозавод) around 1958; it probably produced other milk products. I was about 14 y.o. at the time.
    Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seraphim_of_Sarov
    *
    In 1991, St. Seraphim's relics were rediscovered after being hidden in a Soviet anti-religious museum for seventy years. This caused a sensation in post-Soviet Russia and throughout the Orthodox world. A crucession (religious procession) escorted the relics, on foot, all the way from Moscow to Diveyevo Convent, where they remain to this day.
    *
    I suspect that access to the township of Sarov is still forbidden for non-authorized personnel.
  164. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Seraphim
    God bless you too and your loved ones.
    Not far from Sarov and Diveyevo is the Oranki Monastery. It might be of interest to you to search:
    www.johnsanidopoulos.com/2009/11/tragedy-of-oranki-monastery-as.html

    I remember drinking milk (bottled at nearby small Diveevo milk factory, Дивеевскй молокозавод) around 1958; it probably produced other milk products. I was about 14 y.o. at the time.
    Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seraphim_of_Sarov
    *
    In 1991, St. Seraphim’s relics were rediscovered after being hidden in a Soviet anti-religious museum for seventy years. This caused a sensation in post-Soviet Russia and throughout the Orthodox world. A crucession (religious procession) escorted the relics, on foot, all the way from Moscow to Diveyevo Convent, where they remain to this day.
    *
    I suspect that access to the township of Sarov is still forbidden for non-authorized personnel.

    Read More
  165. I understand why you have a better understanding of these things. You lived (albeit shortly) under the “Little Father of the peoples”! O tempora o mores!

    Read More
  166. “This crazy old Lefty, who never saw a commie dictator or an anti-British terrorist he didn’t want to kiss up to,”

    This is bollocks.
    Classic example of setting up sham premise and then working off it.
    Garbage in, garbage out.

    Read More
  167. @Avery
    {Stalin was a Christian.}

    Stalin was born a Christian, but that means nothing: one has no choice who one's parents are.

    When Stalin became an adult, he chose Bolshevism: the anti-thesis of Christianity. Bolsheviks and then Communists destroyed 1,000 of Churches throughout Soviet Union, murdered 10s of 1,000s of Christian priests, and tried their best to eradicate Christianity from public life for ~70 years of their mis-rule.


    Try again you anti-Christian Fascist bigot.

    Stalin was born a Christian

    I believe the word is “baptized”.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Agree, “baptized” is more adequate description.
  168. The best part of the podcast was left out of this. Derb suggested putting a Puerto Rican independence referendum before the American voters, unless there were some constitutional roadblock to doing so.

    Well, sorry John, there is a roadblock, and quite a big one: there is no such thing as an American voter. Only citizens of the states vote. (Plus a few in a particular malarial pseudostate, but only for executive-branch electors, and not many.)

    Good news, however: many of those states have an initiative process for putting referenda before their voters. Let’s do this one state at a time. In Hollywood, they call this a “roll-out”. It’s where “sleeper” hits come from.

    Read More
  169. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Reg Cæsar

    Stalin was born a Christian
     
    I believe the word is "baptized".

    Agree, “baptized” is more adequate description.

    Read More
Current Commenter says:

Leave a Reply - Comments on articles more than two weeks old will be judged much more strictly on quality and tone


 Remember My InformationWhy?
 Email Replies to my Comment
Submitted comments become the property of The Unz Review and may be republished elsewhere at the sole discretion of the latter
Subscribe to This Comment Thread via RSS Subscribe to All John Derbyshire Comments via RSS
Personal Classics
Limbaugh and company certainly entertain. But a steady diet of ideological comfort food is no substitute for hearty intellectual fare.
Once as a colonial project, now as a moral playground, the ancient continent remains the object of Great Power maneuvering