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Earlier by Patrick J. Buchanan: Is China the Country of the Future?

I still have China on my mind following last month’s jaunt there. My conclusion: they’re going to eat our lunch—unless we have a “Sputnik Moment.” And even then, unlike in 1957, it’s not clear the U.S. can respond.

Look at the flap involving the NBA, the National Basketball Association. Daryl Morey, the general manager of a basketball team called the Houston Rockets, tweeted his support for people in Hong Kong protesting the ChiCom government. Basketball is big in China; the NBA pulls in millions of dollars from Chinese fans. Following the manager’s tweet, the ChiComs have cut all ties with the Rockets, and the state-run media have canceled coverage of games.

Daryl Morey has issued grovelling apologies, but they don’t seem to have improved the situation. The NBA is looking at major revenue losses.

I hate this politicization of everything. We used to be able to enjoy sports and show business without having to hear the political opinions of players, actors, and pop singers.

But what makes it double annoying is that it’s always the same message, in sports or showbiz: a message of virtuous compliance with progressive orthodoxy.

Example: in 2016 the NBA pulled its All-Star game from North Carolina because that state’s legislature had passed a bill that ticked off transgender lobbies. The following year the NBA championship winners turned down an invitation to the White House because their players didn’t like Trump.

The message from pro basketball: elected legislators in North Carolina and an elected President in the White House are beyond the pale, but an unelected dictatorship in Peking is hunky-dory.

The hypocrisy is hard to miss.

But that knee in the groin that the ChiComs delivered to the NBA is a reminder that China is a big player now, politically and commercially.

Big, and getting bigger really fast. China’s economy is roughly the same size as ours now; her population is four times ours. The ChiCom leadership operates on a long-term strategic plan to lead the world in key technologies and dominate global markets. The plan seems to be working just fine.

Razib Khan over at the Gene Expression website has also commented on the NBA fiasco. From there he proceeds to some ruminations about what he calls “the reign of feelings over facts”:

In American society, the facts at hand matter less and less, than who the people are who have their own reaction, perception, and subjective experience, of the facts. [The Chinese customer is always right, October 10, 2019]

If that’s right, and I think it is, we are converging with the state of affairs in China. Last year, reviewing Paul Midler’s book What’s Wrong with China, I noted his comments on what he calls “the collective narcissism” of the Chinese:

The most wince-inducing aspect of this national trait is the frequent announcements out of Peking that some action by some foreign government—holding a meeting with the Dalai Lama, for example—has “hurt the feelings of the Chinese people.” Poor things!

Chinese people at least have the excuse that they are, and always have been, in their schools, colleges, and media, fed a doctored version of their country’s history, with all the unpleasant bits blamed on foreigners; or, where something can’t be blamed on foreigners, it’s just left out.

I gave an example in my September Diary, writing about my visit to a museum dedicated to the 20th-century writer Lao She. In rooms full of exhibits and placards with long descriptions of the man’s life and works, there was no mention of the fact that Lao She committed suicide after being persecuted by Red Guards in the Cultural Revolution. That’s true but inconvenient to the ChiComs, and it can’t be blamed on foreigners; so…leave it out.

Likewise with the Opium Wars of the middle 19th century. Razib quotes a Chinese writer, Joe Tsai, owner of the Brooklyn Nets and co-founder of Alibaba, saying that those wars were fought by Britain and France to force opium on China.

That’s a gross over-simplification. The main aim of the British and French was to open China to normal trade; both governments frowned on the opium business. Opium had anyway been cultivated in China for centuries; most of the opium ever smoked in China was home-grown.

Those are facts, though. When an authoritarian government has monopoly control of education and the media, it can shape the facts to direct people’s feelings in desired directions. As Razib says:

From a commercial perspective, the “objective truth” doesn’t matter. The “customer” is always right. Whether the Chinese have legitimate grounds for their beliefs is less important than what their beliefs are, because there are so many of them …

What we see today in the corporate response to the rise of Chinese economic power is the reshaping of truth and sensitivities toward broadly Chinese outlines due to Chinese power. What one sees here is the convergence between capitalist kowtowing toward power, and the reality that more and more people acknowledge and accept that power determines our understanding of reality.

As a footnote to that I’ll just mention this BBC News report from October 5th: China and Taiwan clash over Wikipedia edits. Yep, the ChiComs are manipulating Wikipedia. The BBC investigators found almost 1,600 tendentious edits across 22 politically sensitive articles relating to China.

So, out with facts and reality, in with feelings, wo wo wo feelings … feelings shaped by power.

Chinese power.

Things might go wrong, of course. China has systemic problems: massive public corruption, cratering demographics, environmental issues. Chinese politics remains primitive, with no democratic audit, no independent judiciary, and no institutional corrections if things go awry. For all we can tell, some ambitious army general might destabilize the system next week, throwing China back to warlordism and fragmentation.

That’s not the way to bet, though. The way to bet is, that ten years from now China will be eating our lunch. The ruling party is in firm control, Chinese people in the generality are happy with the way things are going, and the gloomy prognostications of twenty years ago, like Gordon Chang’s 2001 book The Coming Collapse of China, have been confounded.

It helps that the ChiComs have avoided the major stupidities of American and European governments this past twenty years. They have not squandered trillions of dollars and thousands of lives on futile wars in places of no importance. They have not opened China’s borders to tens of millions of foreigners selected on no rational principle, swamping the nation’s ethnic core, generating resentment and rancor.

ORDER IT NOW

They have in fact leveraged our own stupidities against us. Our good-natured naivety about international trade has made it easy for them to steal our intellectual capital; and the greed of our universities for foreign students paying full tuition, unrestrained by any limits on student visas, has greatly boosted their expertise in high tech:

Eighty percent of U.S. doctoral candidates in computer science and electrical engineering are foreign students, of whom Chinese are the largest contingent. Most return to China. The result is that the best U.S. universities have trained an excellent faculty for Chinese universities.

I took that from David Goldman’s Russell Kirk Lecture, What is China’s Grand Strategy?, [PDF] delivered at the Heritage Foundation on May 22nd.

Goldman notes that foreign applications to study STEM subjects at American universities fell off in 2017, partly because Chinese students can now get their education in China, from professors we educated ten or twenty years ago.

Another quote from Goldman:

China fears nothing but America’s technological edge, and that edge is eroding at an alarming pace … China devotes vast state resources to critical technologies, including, for example, fifth-generation broadband and its applications, quantum computing, quantum communications, Artificial Intelligence, and gene sequencing.

These things creep up on us. I’m thinking of Sputnik Moments.

When the U.S.S.R. launched Sputnik, the first artificial satellite, in 1957, it stirred American policymakers to action. Three months later DARPA, the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, was created; it eventually gave us the Internet. A few months after that came NASA, which put Americans on the Moon. Science and technology were hot, engineers were heroes.

Shall we have another Sputnik Moment? Will China perhaps, for example, crack the problems of quantum computing, suddenly making most of the world’s internet encryption systems obsolete? Or give us cheap fusion power, ending the reign of fossil fuels for electricity generation?

If they do, shall we rise to the occasion as we did sixty years ago? Or shall we be too busy bickering about transgender bathrooms, healthcare for illegal aliens, and Presidential impeachments over picayune transgressions?

In retrospect, the U.S.S.R. of 1957 was not actually that formidable a competitor. Her civilian economy barely functioned. No American had anything in his house that said Made in the U.S.S.R…. well, with the possible exception of Bernie Sanders. The population was 200 million, only ten percent bigger than ours.

A Sputnik Moment with China sometime early in the coming decade will be a whole lot more challenging—way, way more challenging. China’s civilian economy is already strong enough to call the shots on American firms, as the NBA found out last week. China’s population is four times ours, and not tormented by endless ethnic squabbles.

Not to worry though. We should be OK. Look: we have way more Gender Studies graduates than they do, and way more lawyers!

 

John Derbyshire [email him] writes an incredible amount on all sorts of subjects for all kinds of outlets. (This no longer includes National Review, whose editors had some kind of tantrum and fired him.) He is the author of We Are Doomed: Reclaiming Conservative Pessimism and several other books. He has had two books published by VDARE.com com: FROM THE DISSIDENT RIGHT (also available in Kindle) and FROM THE DISSIDENT RIGHT II: ESSAYS 2013.

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  1. Rich says:

    The way to save the US is a return to meritocracy and an end to these self-destructive affirmative action policies that are tearing us down from top to bottom. Everything from incompetent politicians, judges CEOs, managers and janitors, not to mention construction workers, mechanics and tradesmen, all in the worship of this odd goddess “Diversity” will be our ruin. If all affirmative action were outlawed tomorrow, we’d have a chance. Where’s the Counter-Reformation against this crazy new religion?

  2. Funny, the ChiComs tell Big Business to jump and their response is: “How High?”

    Wal-Mart and other US businesses tell gun owners that they can’t buy AR-15s, Handgun and 5.56mm/7.62x39mm ammo, won’t give the firearms industry loans and cuts the NRA off of business agreements. Response from gun owners: ‘Oh, we’ll just get our stuff somewhere else and No Boycott of any significance.’

    No wonder Big Business thinks the US consumer is totally stupid and incapable of hurting them.

  3. @Rich

    The way to save the US is a return to meritocracy and an end to these self-destructive affirmative action policies that are tearing us down from top to bottom.

    Maybe if that had been done 50 years ago, along with revoking the 1965 immigration and naturalization act.

    Now we need an end to affirmative action and a return to meritocracy… And an Operation Wetback 2.0 on steroids, plus immediate and retroactive ending of “birthright citizenship”, and elimination of settling refugees here. Anything less is a half-measure at best. And we won’t even get a half-measure.

    Everything from incompetent politicians, judges CEOs, managers and janitors, not to mention construction workers, mechanics and tradesmen, all in the worship of this odd goddess “Diversity” will be our ruin.

    But without diversity (((chosen people))) don’t feel secure! You aren’t antisemitic, are you?!

    If all affirmative action were outlawed tomorrow, we’d have a chance. Where’s the Counter-Reformation against this crazy new religion?

    There is none, so there is no chance. Nobody has the stomach to do what’s required. So, crash and burn it is.

    The only upside is that the coming devastation of America is so assured that the USA will no longer be able to project power to protect Israel, which is the most just and hilariously ironic of outcomes.

    • Agree: Realist, HEREDOT, Kiel
    • Replies: @IvyMike
    , @Corvinus
    , @Kiel
  4. d dan says:
    @Joe Stalin

    “Funny, the ChiComs tell Big Business to jump and their response is: “How High?””

    Why is this hard to understand? The customer is always right, and the Chinese consumer market is already bigger than US in many ways, e.g. largest consumer of electronic goods, household goods, smart phone, laptop, car, Internet users,…

    If you still don’t see why big businesses are behaving normally, just remember that in the past, when US tells European or Japanese companies to jump, their response is also “How high?” So, most people outside US are already familiar with this.

    • Agree: BlackDragon
  5. “Chinese politics remains primitive, with no democratic audit, no independent judiciary, and no institutional corrections if things go awry.”

    Poppycock.

    ‘Politics’ is a Greco-Roman Punch & Judy show..

    China does governance and, for 2,500 years Chinese governance has been the most sophisticated on earth. The literature on the subject is probably bigger and certainly more sophisticated than the rest of the world’s combined.

    Its democratic audit is performed by its elected Congress and the results are spectacular:

    and

    As to an independent judiciary, that’s a purely Western concept, a balance-of-powers, rule-of-law thing that has failed us spectacularly. China has always preferred rule of virtue with the law ultimately answerable to the virtuous. As a result, twice as many Chinese than Americans trust their legal system.

    And ‘no institutional corrections if things go awry’ is beyond naive. They make institutional corrections on a daily basis and the results speak for themselves:

  6. d dan says:

    “Likewise with the Opium Wars … a Chinese writer, Joe Tsai, …saying that those wars were fought by Britain and France to force opium on China.

    That’s a gross over-simplification. The main aim of the British and French was to open China to normal trade; …”

    LOL And one of the key product of that so-called “normal” trade was the import of opium that skyrocketed after the war (plus lost of Hong Kong, plus lost of sovereignty,….) Look at wikipedia chart for the import of opium before and after the war (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_opium_in_China)

    1650: 50 ton
    1775: 75 ton
    1800: 200 ton
    1822: 347 ton
    1835: 1390 ton
    1839: 2553 ton (opium war)
    1863: 4232 ton
    1867: 4897 ton
    1880: 6500 ton

    “…both governments frowned on the opium business. …”

    The fact that both Britain and France “frowned on the opium business” and yet still willing to send their military half-way around the world to launch the TWO wars to force on China the “normal trade” make it even more atrocious.

    “.. Opium had anyway been cultivated in China for centuries;…”

    Yes, for medicine use.

    “… most of the opium ever smoked in China was home-grown.”

    Yes, ONLY after Britain and France made it IMPOSSIBLE for Qinq government to ban opium, the Chinese figured that they may as well grow it at home to compete with the import.

    “So, out with facts and reality, in with feelings, wo wo wo feelings … feelings shaped by power.”

    With the type of distorted and unapologetic “facts and reality” that this author is white-washing, I certainly is happy that the “ChiCom” is growing more powerful.

  7. @Godfree Roberts

    Howdy 无神 罗伯兹,

    Hard to argue with those charts, the ChiCom gov’t sure polls pretty popular.

    It should, considering the progress China’s made. Also, the social credit system and political dissident organ harvesting program can’t hurt those numbers, either. I’m sure the re-education camps for the Uyghurs is helping out, too.

    Hopefully, all of this is enough to soften the blow when their absolutely massive debt problem (higher than the USA & most Western nations as a % of GDP) blows the fuck up in their faces. https://seekingalpha.com/article/3986541-kyle-bass-we-seeing-chinese-machine-break-down

    Also see: https://www.realvision.com/tv/shows/interviews/videos/kyle-bass-on-chinas-moment-of-truth

    China’s debt to GDP ratio looks better than it actually is due to… Money creation (via debt!): https://twitter.com/jkylebass/status/1051256440353169408

    Hugs and kisses,

    Ashley

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
    , @Biff
  8. With the type of distorted and unapologetic “facts and reality” that this author is white-washing, I certainly is happy that the “ChiCom” is growing more powerful.

    Can’t say I agree with you there, although I certainly understand why China might hold a grudge against the Anglo-Zionist Axis given the history.

    Sort of explains why they’re cranking out fentanyl by the container-load (and it’s stronger analogs) at cut rate prices, and shipping it here.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
    , @d dan
  9. @Ash Williams

    You know that our media lie to us flagrantly even about our own president.

    You also know that they lie about our allies.

    You also know that they lie about every country, even small ones, with an independent foreign policy.

    You can, on that basis, infer how long and hard they lie about a very big country, a serious rival, with a political system that would disempower our media moguls.

    They’ve been lying to you about China for 80 years and, as China overtakes us, we’re reaching peak lie:

    There’s no political dissident organ harvesting program.

    The re-education camps for the Uyghurs has been praised by inspectors from 12 muslim countries sent by the World Muslim Council (all of whom have similar terrorism problems and most, like China’s, instigated by the US). The camps teach illiterates to read and write, give them job skills and find jobs for them.

    Their absolutely massive debt problem, far from being higher than the USA & most Western nations as a % of GDP, is two-thirds lower. Though it’s equal in nominal terms, as you see from the chart below, since China’s economy is growing 3x faster and the debt is entirely domestic and the asset to debt ratio is 4.8:1, the burden is much, much lower.

    • Replies: @animalogic
    , @Anon
  10. @Ash Williams

    The US, with five percent of the world’s population, consumes eighty percent of its opioids.

    Of 229 trafficking cases in which 537kg of fentanyl-related substances were seized between last October and March only seventeen seizures, weighing 6kg, originated in China. US fentanyl seizures show China is not the main supplier, Beijing drugs official says. Yahoo News.

    The US Department of Justice says*, “China has made great strides and the Department is encouraged by China’s recent class-wide controls of fentanyl-like substances.”

    Americans consume opioids because of bribery, weak regulation, poor enforcement, over-prescription, and endemic social despair.

    There’s not much China can do about that.

    *STATEMENT OF THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
    AMANDA LISKAMM DIRECTOR
    OPIOID ENFORCEMENT AND PREVENTION EFFORTS OFFICE OF THE DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL AND GREG CHERUNDOLO CHIEF OF OPERATIONS
    OFFICE OF GLOBAL ENFORCEMENT DRUG ENFORCEMENT ADMINISTRATION
    BEFORE THE COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY UNITED STATES SENATE
    FOR A HEARING ENTITLED
    THE COUNTDOWN: FENTANYL ANALOGUES & THE EXPIRING EMERGENCY SCHEDULING ORDER
    PRESENTED JUNE 4, 2019

    • Agree: Ber
    • Replies: @Ash Williams
  11. unit472 says:

    While Western liberty seems to be eroding at a rapid pace it is still far ahead of China. This could be important as if you are a Chinese inventor with a new product that will make you a billionaire do you want to be a billionaire who can be arrested and your fortune confiscated or might you prefer to live in the West?

    So far, the Chinese seem to be emulating the USSR. The Soviets would spend enormous effort to steal Western technology but, by the time they stole or reversed engineered and deployed it, it was obsolete. China may not fall all the way into that trap, they do have a commercial economy beside their command one, but central control does stifle innovation.

  12. Biff says:
    @Ash Williams

    No self-respecting Chinese speaker would use those old Cantonese characters.

  13. Biff says:

    Daryl Morey, the general manager of a basketball team called the Houston Rockets, tweeted his support for people in Hong Kong protesting the ChiCom government.

    Politics is politics and business is business.

    Not long ago when I was a business owner, if the paying customer was a dyed in the wool Democrat, then for that moment I was a Democrat too. If a republican then the same, or best of all – keep your big mouth shut – don’t mix politics with business.

    Or, learn the hard way.

  14. If we call the Chinese wording of hurt feelings as Collective Narcissism, can we also call the American wording of American Interests as Collective Greediness?

  15. George says:

    “We used to be able to enjoy sports and show business without having to hear the political opinions of players, actors, and pop singers.”

    Say what? Actors not voicing political opinions? When was this?

    One factor causing the Kaepernick fiasco was in the run up to the forever war the NFL required all players to be on the field during the naitonal anthem. If I understand it right, in the past, there was a kind of agreement that if a player was not going to behave him(Xer?)self that player would not be on the field during the national anthem. Search on John Carlos and Tommy Smith for 1960s or whenever bad behavoir.

    I personally enjoy sports more if a player does not play by the rules. It is fun for cowardly me to live vicariously through alpha male sports stars, sticking it to the man. I bought an official Kaepernick jersey to go with my MAGA hat, both of which I am too cowardly to wear in public.

    Movies on that theme include Rollerball and The Longest Yard (1974).

    ” futile wars in places of no importance. ”
    Triggering the apocalyse is a duty of all American Christians. I am guessing you did not get rich off the war or its side effect.

    Something you race realists might not be considering, are Chinese nerds out breading American nerds? I wonder if you compared birthrates of Chinese database engineers with American database engineers which would be higher. Of course, the US does not need US born baby nerds as nerds from all over the world will come here for the money, right. After WWII the UK and the rest of the world could no longer hold on to her tech staff who ended up in the US making more money [queue footage of a British Comet jetliner falling from the sky]. If the US cannot pay more than the Chinese don’t be surprised if the talented 0.5% of the world’s nerds don’t end up in China. That the US will always be able to pay tiptop salaries seems like a good bet, just like the betting on the British Empire was.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  16. Realist says:

    The American form of Democracy has cost us trillions of dollars with corruption, frivolous judicial decisions, dumbass congressional legislation and investigations, plus extreme costs for the war machine. With the end result…the wealthy and powerful gain more wealth and control and the rest become more subservient and poor.

    • Replies: @animalogic
  17. @Godfree Roberts

    “and the debt is entirely domestic and the asset to debt ratio is 4.8:1, the burden is much, much lower.”
    There’s the key — the debt is entirely domestic. Indeed, much of it is government debt that can be monetized away, if worst came to worst.

    • Agree: Wizard of Oz
  18. @unit472

    “This could be important as if you are a Chinese inventor with a new product that will make you a billionaire do you want to be a billionaire who can be arrested and your fortune confiscated or might you prefer to live in the West?”
    Can you give some facts for these assertions? Was corruption an ingredient in any confiscations?

  19. @Realist

    All good points Realist. Makes you think a Sputnik reaction is not highly likely.
    Essentially the US is a conglomeration of individuals. Your points about corruption, & frivolousness etc is evidence of this point. The US has lost any consciousness of its unified self.
    Absent some kind of (genuine) Pearl Harbour it’s hard to see US citizens – of ALL classes – being willing to make the necessary sacrifices.
    China, on the other hand, is a unified culture, planned, proud & (I believe) willing to make sacrifices for a genuine reason.

    • Replies: @Realist
  20. It’s not just China. It’s Asia and Eurasia that are rising to become the the top consumer markets in the world.

    America can’t keep its commercial jets from crashing or even keep the lights on in California.

  21. The Chinese are going all in on STEM degrees while the US student population is focusing on ‘basket weaving’ majors. One may ask why US students are wasting their time on nonsense AND running up huge debts. I think it’s because a degree, even a worthless one, is somehow now a requirement for the individual to feel good about themselves. It’s all about feelings now, isn’t it?

    For the US population to compete with the Chinese, the university system needs to be reigned in. Terminate all opinion degrees above bachelors. If you can’t prove empirically that what you claim is true, then it’s just an opinion and not worth awarding an advanced degree. That would get rid of Economics, Psychiatry, Law and numerous other ‘professions’ as serious avenues of study because they are, in fact, just opinions.

    That means all the Humanities and Social Sciences can no longer produce an official Doctor of bullshit. Once these bogus areas of study are deemphasized socially, there will be less and less demand resulting in fewer people going to university and concentrating on trades instead or realizing that STEM is the only viable option if they have the intellectual wherewithal to tackle it.

    The universities are the source for Antifa, the LGBTQLMNOP insanity, anti free speech push, anti 2nd Amendment push, and all the other idiotic ideas that infect the society.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Haha
    , @Escher
  22. Jason Liu says:

    The NBA fiasco was unnecessary and made China look petty and stupid. As China becomes more important there’s gonna be more and more criticism, justified or not. Neither the CCP, the people, or corporations should being handling criticism this way, better to just ignore it. Having a large amount of STEM graduates is indeed power, but silencing corporations is just insecurity.

    The fact that China does not have democratic audits or similar checks and balances is thus far, a strength and not a weakness. Although it does come with risks (the “bad emperor” scenario). However, a democratic system comes with its own set of risks, namely subversives and traitors getting a political platform. Maybe the autocratic tradeoff is worth it.

    Also, China is not even remotely communist and I assume anyone who says “ChiCom” to be a senior citizen who gets his news from Rush Limbaugh.

    • Replies: @Rich
    , @Andrei Martyanov
  23. Chinese politics remains primitive, with no democratic audit, no independent judiciary, and no institutional corrections if things go awry

    Well, I don’t know if that was written tongue in cheek but this, also, really lacks any self-reflective effort:

    For all we can tell, some ambitious army general might destabilize the system next week, throwing China back to warlordism and fragmentation.

    Are ambitious ‘generals” names, by any chance, sound like Brennan, Clapper or Comey, among others?

    • Replies: @yakushimaru
  24. @Andrei Martyanov

    For all we can tell, some ambitious army general might destabilize the system next week, throwing China back to warlordism and fragmentation.

    Are ambitious ‘generals” names, by any chance, sound like Brennan, Clapper or Comey, among others?

    This is funny!

    BTW, your punctuation, single quote then double quote, nice!

  25. Neuday says:

    Well, that settles it; I’m moving to China, learning the language, working, adopting their religion and customs, and buying a middle-class house. How long before I’m considered Chinese and can vote? Never? Well, I guess I’ll stay in the US, because even though we’re turning into a broke, corrupt, low-IQ and lower-trust third-world hell-hole, at least we’re not racist.

  26. Rich says:
    @Jason Liu

    You may not be aware of this, but the ruling party in Red China is still called the “Communist Party”. They are the heirs to the idealogues who are, perhaps, the worst murderers in the history of the world. I suppose they could change their name to the “Happy, Friendly, Loving Party” but until then, they’re still the Chicoms.

  27. @Jason Liu

    Also, China is not even remotely communist and I assume anyone who says “ChiCom” to be a senior citizen who gets his news from Rush Limbaugh.

    He is not the worst, though. There are many “historians” around who, as Daniel Larison (himself Ph.D in history) points out today regarding one such American “historian”:

    As he often does, Mead is using bad history in the service of a weak argument. It is possible that some foreign governments will see Trump’s domestic political problems and foreign policy failures as an opening to take more aggressive actions than they normally would, but the 2008 example is a bad one to use and Mead misrepresents what happened back then in an attempt to make it fit his interpretation. Mead’s description is absurdly American-centric on one level (Russia acts aggressively when we have a lame duck president) while also completely missing the real role that the U.S. had in contributing to the outbreak of the August 2008 war (backing for Georgian membership in NATO and strong rhetorical support for Saakashvili).

    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/attack-of-the-revisionists/

    Larison is one of few Anglo-American scholars who openly states that for the most part American “elites” do not have a clue about the world outside. History in the US is not a science, it is a plunger for showing a politically expedient BS down the throat of unsuspecting public.

  28. Leonard says: • Website

    Chinese people at least have the excuse that they are, and always have been, in their schools, colleges, and media, fed a doctored version of their country’s history, with all the unpleasant bits blamed on foreigners; or, where something can’t be blamed on foreigners, it’s just left out.

    Americans are, and always have been, in our schools, colleges, and media, fed a doctored version of our country’s history, with all the unpleasant bits blamed on white people; or, where something can’t be blamed on white people, it’s just left out.

    It’s completely different!

  29. Realist says:
    @animalogic

    China, on the other hand, is a unified culture, planned, proud & (I believe) willing to make sacrifices for a genuine reason.

    My feeling is China in not belligerent or hegemonic…I could be wrong, but it doesn’t seem that way.
    They appear to be interested in having influence in their part of the world and not be subservient to foreign powers, as in the past.

  30. milermp1 says:

    Derb, we’ll be fine. Didn’t you see Hidden Figures? Sassy women of color will save the stars and strips once again!

  31. @Neuday

    Actually, if you really, really into the voting issue, you can join the Party, and, although you will not experience the American style of voting, you definitely have a voice and limited form of voting does appear to be a normal going, more or less, I guess.

    Now I sound like a propaganda machine I think. But the beautiful world of yesterday has gone. Options of today are pretty awful everywhere. Think about the Kurds. Since this is Mr Derbyshire’s blog, “We Are Doomed!”

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  32. @Rich

    You may not be aware of this, but the ruling party in Red China is still called the “Communist Party”. They are the heirs to the idealogues who are, perhaps, the worst murderers in the history of the world. I suppose they could change their name to the “Happy, Friendly, Loving Party” but until then, they’re still the Chicoms.

    If we are going down this direction, maybe we can remember the Black Slaves and natives of North America before the 13 colonies began expansion.

    • Replies: @Rich
    , @James Scott
  33. Steve2 says:

    Our leaders in business and academia have been busting out the US for decades.

    I watched wholesale offshoring of engineering and manufacturing to India China and Mexico from the US. This was in the automotive industry.

    Native born tech workers have been replaced by H1-B Indians and Chinese. Universities train foreign tech/future innovators here. The work is then offshored.

    This is not an accident. It is done for money and a spiteful hate of fellow Americans by a leadership class that has turned the US into a corpse and is now feeding off the remains.

    There will be no Sputnik moment. Suck it up loser.

    You and the US have been replaced.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @CanSpeccy
  34. d dan says:
    @Ash Williams

    “Sort of explains why they’re cranking out fentanyl by the container-load (and it’s stronger analogs) at cut rate prices, and shipping it here.”

    No, there is no comparison with the opium wars for the following reasons:

    1. China is not sending its warships to cruise on Mississippi River, not even California Coast to force American to buy ANYTHING.

    2. China government bans the export of illegal drugs. Those exporters, whether they are Chinese or foreigners, who get caught will be thrown into prison (some even be executed).

    3. China is willing to help American government to enforce its law.

    4. China doesn’t try to grab a piece of land from America as part of the deal.

    5. Chinese doesn’t throw up idiotic and shameful excuses (e.g. to aim at “normal trade”) like this author. Chinese government and Chinese people actually condemn the trade as immoral.

    See the differences?

  35. d dan says:
    @Neuday

    “How long before I’m considered Chinese and can vote? Never? Well, I guess I’ll stay in the US, because …at least we’re not racist.”

    Not granting you citizenship is not racist. FYI: every country has restrictive immigration policy.

    If you are insisting Chinese to change its political system so as to satisfy your demand (e.g. to allow you to vote), then you are the one who is arrogant. You shouldn’t come to China.

  36. @Joe Stalin

    Joe, I remember writing you, that as a guy who can’t stand Wal-Mart to begin with, it’s hard for me to boycott the place. I agree that Americans are just too lazy to even try to make a difference (at times, not always).

    I was going to write this directly to Mr. D, but it applies here, as you wrote exactly what I intended to: American Big-Biz says “how high?!”

    It is a minor thing involving maps, but I’d read (and “reported” on Peak Stupidity with “Western airlines bow down to China Commies’ petty whims”*) that the Chinese government demanded that airlines flying into China (for US ones, that means Delta, United, and American) change their seat-back magazine maps to show that Taiwan is a part of China. Either it should be labeled as part of China or at least the color should be the same.

    Sure, enough, even after some jaw-boning for America’s side by the President, the airlines said “what color, Sir?!” The ironic thing is that that particular deal was so downright silly and time-wasting, as nobody reads those magazines anymore – they’re too busy on their phones or the seat-back video games.

    .

    * Because, I’d learned of this a while later, I wrote a prequel post – “Airline Taiwan-nomenclature brew-haha prequel”.

  37. Steve2 says:

    How could there possibly be a Sputnik moment in the US? That would require a science/tech establishment that has loyalty to the US, which it clearly does not have. Their loyalty is to their chimney, no matter who pays, or whose ox gets gored. That is, unless crude ethnic nepotism is applied directly at lower levels.

    Any thought of actually benefitting the US or its people is irrelevant to them. The US pretends to develop tech for self defense, then acts surprised when all that tech is exported. US military spending on tech and university training of foreigners helps offshored business success much more than it benefits anyone here in the US.

    Figure it out. The science/tech establishment doesn’t like you. If/when the day comes that offshored US tech in a weapons system developed by US trained engineer/scientists kills US soldiers or civilians, nobody in the establishment will give a poop, because you have already been replaced.

    You’ve been chumped all your life.

    Kiss it goodbye loser.

  38. @d dan

    China accepted only silver for the tea it sold to England. England’s supply of Sterling was threatened. In response, they sold opium to China for silver. Look at it as correcting a hard currency imbalance.

    Morally they are equal because one could easily argue (correctly) that caffeine is every bit as addictive as opium.

    “By the year 1800 the English East India Company was shipping more than 23 million pounds of tea annually. Since the Chinese were not interested in English goods, a terrible trade imbalance existed. This deficit was nonetheless a flow of silver bullion out of England and into China. Silver, minted by the Spaniards in their new territories in the Americas eventually travels across the Pacific, through Manila, and into China as the commodity the Europeans can trade for the goods they seek from China (the Spanish or “Mexican dollar”). China becomes a “sink” for silver.

    The final years of the Canton system saw a dramatic reversal in this trade deficit when the British finally discovered a product they could trade at a profit – opium. In the early decades of the 19th century, opium use in China exploded and foreign merchants of many nations were more than willing to engage in the illicit trade. As the Chinese government grew increasingly alarmed by the opium epidemic, and took increasingly strong measures to reestablish control, the trade in Canton degenerated into a criminal world of foreign smugglers and corrupt Chinese officials.

    Silver Turns to Opium

    Eventually the Western power, for reasons of their own, became reluctant to continue shipping so much silver into China. This is largely because they preferred to hoard the silver so that they could use it to pay mercenaries in their ongoing wars.

    Prior to 1810 Western nations had been spending 350 million Mexican silver dollars on porcelain, cotton, silks, brocades, and various grades of tea, by 1837 opium represented 57 per cent of Chinese imports, and for fiscal 1835-36 alone China exported 4.5 million silver dollars.

    They started looking for something else to export to China and found that they were in a real demand because there were very few things that they produce more efficiently than the Chinese could. China at that time was basically self sufficient. The thing that eventually filled the gap left when the Europeans tried to cut back on their silver shipments was opium.

    Opium Den.png

    Opium served a whole series of functions for the British in particular. It helped make their new colony in India profitable by providing a very ready revenue source. It saved on the silver that they no longer wanted to ship and, of course, the story of the opium trade to China then gets us into a whole different period of world history and different kinds of links between China and the outside world.

    Ultimately the Chinese proved unable to control either the opium trade or the foreign interests. The opium war eventually break out.” Chineseargent.com

  39. @George

    George, if you’re gonna buy that shirt and that hat, why would you be so cowardly about wearing them? What is the point, just giving the manufacturer the support?

    Secondly, there is no such thing as a database engineer.

  40. @Rich

    Haha, just used up my AGREE/LOL. Your comment could use both.

  41. The Brits aggressively edit Wikipedia articles to favor Cuck Island and also teach their students that the British Empire was a force for good. I see nothing unusual about what the Chinese are up to.

    • Agree: BlackDragon, byrresheim
  42. lysias says:
    @Rich

    Another American religion is a bigger problem: the worship of money.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  43. Patrick says:

    Chinese talking about their feelings being hurt just seems like they have not been psychologically gelded of a healthy trait that has been removed from Westerners, being offended by certain forms of criticism is normal because too much criticism can destroy someone or it can destroy a group. Being offended helps stifle future criticisms which helps for self preservation. Too much criticism has been destroying White people for instance.

    • Replies: @Jim
    , @Ber
  44. In keeping with your noticing of a habit of the Chinese that I read from you a few years back, would not those 2 major wrongdoings by the US Feral Gov’t, the invasions all over the world and the massive immigration, deserve an alpha-numeric title of their own?:

    Invade-the-World/Invite-the-World: – – America’s 2 Stupidities.

    BTW, I really liked that Bernie Sanders crack, Mr. Derbyshire. That is my kind of humor!

  45. “Chinese people at least have the excuse that they are, and always have been, in their schools, colleges, and media, fed a doctored version of their country’s history, with all the unpleasant bits blamed on foreigners; or, where something can’t be blamed on foreigners, it’s just left out.”
    Bulllshit!!
    So what part of the Imerial British OPIUM wars dont you understand Mr!!
    You are lucky Mao saved YOUR ass from the Imperial Brutal JAPANESE in WW2! By holding up the brutal Japanese Imperial army so they had fewer resources and manpower to invade the rest of Asia, which was their goal. Even ask the KOREANS what they think of Japan!

  46. One more small thing that goes along with your (right in my) opinion that China’s rise to an economic superpower is changing the business world:

    Because I believe I remember your having ridden on a Chinese airline* to get back and forth on this trip, you wouldn’t have a good data on this, but for me, I noticed that 10 years back the American-based airline I flew on served American food with some Chinese stuff if you wanted it. Now, the food service is based on Oriental tastes:

    “What do you want for your breakfast, sir, the noodles or the steamed bread?”

    “Uhhh, what happened to the omelets, cereal and fruit?”

    “You’re not the one paying the way anymore…” “… is what I wanna say, but no, we don’t have that stuff. So sorry.”

    .

    * Because, ridiculously enough, no US Airline flies any direct NYC to China route. I’d think that would be damn lucrative.

  47. IvyMike says:
    @Ash Williams

    All that, and white people need to learn how to work hard again.

    • Replies: @Wally
  48. @ThreeCranes

    ‘Since the Chinese were not interested in English goods’,.true .that was one of the problems with the Qing dynasty, The Qing were Manzu (non Han people) from north China, cousins of the Mongols. They were very conformist and made all med follow their hair style the famous pigtails. When they took over in 1644, the Ming had collapsed, the Manzu werent keen on academics and got rid of many. They had no idea how to run China, not untill Emperor Kang Xi read hundreds of books by the great philosophers did they actually realise how to run it. They had no idea how to upgrade the army or understand what the west was doing, (except trade) but didnt buy any advanced military hardware, or copy it, at least in the 19th C. Therefore they were useless against the British gun ships, when it came to the opium wars. Trying to fight Brits with 17th cent cannons dint work in 1840! (considering that China invented guns and rockets).

  49. polistra says:

    Well, hypersonic missiles SHOULD have been the exact equivalent of Sputnik. Hypersonic exposed our total failure to maintain our own skills and industries. Russia never offshored its electronics and technology, so it steadily got ahead of us.

    Maybe worse, the surprise factor showed that our spies had NOT been doing their job. Spies are necessary. Spies can prevent wars by detecting foreign military developments in time to put up a good deterrent. Our spies are no longer spying on foreign threats. They’re just turning disaffected youngsters into “terrorists” to justify internal tyranny, and creating two-sided puppet shows to keep the population stupid.

    • Replies: @foolisholdman
  50. d dan says:
    @ThreeCranes

    “China accepted only silver for the tea it sold to England. … Morally they are equal because one could easily argue (correctly) that caffeine is every bit as addictive as opium.”

    LOL. Another idiotic shameless apologist for the opium war. No, they are not morally equal, not even fucking close. Reasons:

    1. Tea is legal in every country, even today. Opium is illegal. Try bring a pound of tea and declare it as a pound of opium next time you pass through any immigration custom to see what happen.

    2. Britain voluntarily bought the tea from China. China did NOT voluntarily want the opium. It was forced under gunpoint to allow import of opium.

    3. All those historical facts about silver trade deficit are irrelevant morally.

    • Agree: Ron Unz, foolisholdman
  51. Anon[240] • Disclaimer says:
    @Neuday

    Actually you don’t need to know the language to become a Chinese citizen. The path to Chinese citizenship has many similarities to that of other countries. To become a Chinese citizen, one needs to get the Chinese green card first. (aka permanent resident card)

    China doesn’t allow dual citizenship. If you are Chinese citizen and gain another citizenship from another country, your Chinese citizenship would be voided. If you are a non-Chinese citizen, you will need to give up your current citizenship in order to become a Chinese citizen.

    There are 3 ways to get the Chinese green card.

    1) marry someone who is a Chinese citizen. (or one of your parents is a Chinese citizen)
    2) you can apply if you are a talented or accomplished individual ( eg, you have a PhD in AI from MIT, or someone like Stephon Marbury, a good NBA basketball player who became persona non grata in the US because of his on and off court misconduct, went to play in China and somehow became a beloved figure. After his retirement, he applied and was granted the green card)
    3) invest in China. Individuals who invest at least US$500,000 in western China or poorer regions, US$1 million in the central part of the country or US$2 million in other areas for three straight years.

    As for voting, you are eligible if you are 18 and a Chinese citizen. If you are still in school when you reach 18, you would be notified and you can register at your school. (high school or college) If you are already out of school, you would be notified by mail and you can register at your local police station.

    The voting system is quite different. It doesn’t have universal suffrage. Basically you vote for people who vote for people who vote for people who vote for representatives. I forgot what is the ratio of the number of American congressmen to the US population, but China has a similar ratio but a litter higher.

  52. @ThreeCranes

    To be fair, then as now, China played the long game and offered very good exchange rates enabling traders to buy more goods and increase their profits and that is how China wound up with so much silver from the West. The decision to import opium to redress the trade imbalance was evil and just plain wrong.

  53. At a minimum, we need to have manned Mars mission. We could get money by immediately freeing the US from Puerto Rico, getting rid of birth right citizenship, and making a concerted effort to block illegal aliens from benefiting from government largesse.

  54. Biff says:
    @ThreeCranes

    Morally they are equal because one could easily argue (correctly) that caffeine is every bit as addictive as opium.

    Wow! That is quite the mother load of nuts.

    Who’s gonna function better(who you gonna hire) – a tea sipping caffeine addict or a heroin junkie?

  55. Anonymous[348] • Disclaimer says:

    No American had anything in his house that said Made in the U.S.S.R….

    Well, like pretty much all the NATO countries, we did have the Soviet Union under embargo, so that’s part of it.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  56. Anonymous[348] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve2

    Yup. I worked in IT for several years back in the 90s, and that’s exactly what I saw. Towards the end, the bastards even had us training our own foreign replacements! That’s why banning everything but STEM degrees won’t work. There are now very few STEM jobs left in America anyway.

    … oh–would you like fries with that?

  57. GeeBee says:

    ‘elected legislators in North Carolina and an elected President in the White House are beyond the pale, but an unelected dictatorship in Peking is hunky-dory’

    Until and unless people wake up to what all this nonsense about ‘elected’ and ‘unelected’ actually means there is little hope for them. ‘Democracy’ has been sold to ‘the people’ so subtly and so insidiously that very few indeed realise that any element of choice on their behalf disappeared long ago. Essentially, the electorates in Western ‘democracies’ get to vote for Agenda A in a red rosette or Agenda A in a blue rosette. In both cases, of course, the rosette-wearer is a wholly-owned chattel of Globo-Capitalism, whose tiny elite not only continues to do exactly as it pleases after each and any election, but by remaining complicit in this scam called ‘democracy’ we actually cede to them the opportunity to dismiss any complaints we voice with the hubristic retort: “well you voted for it”.

    Our answer, of course, ought to be “No we damn well did not!” But we still cling to our obsession with this cynical and bankrupt method of allowing the same exploitative governemnt to walk all over us. We, have, in effect, been well trained into meek Pavlovian acquiesence. We have learned to love our prisoners and to hate freedom.

  58. Realist says:

    The message from pro basketball: elected legislators in North Carolina and an elected President in the White House are beyond the pale, but an unelected dictatorship in Peking is hunky-dory.

    I guess you mean Beijing.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  59. @ThreeCranes

    Wow. Wut blatent anti chinese anglo zionist propaganda.

    Those 2 native american proverbs are proven true again.

    “The anglo speaketh with forked tongue”

    and “the anglo cries our in pain as he strikes you”

    To those who minimize/apologize/ the ex british empire’s going to war to force opium and opium addiction on the chinese people,

    this so called opiod epidemic crisis that’s killing thousands of anglos a year is karma.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  60. Realist says:

    Tucker Carlson has taken on the China is bad theme. He has invited the discredited Gordon Chang on his show a number of times. This new anti-China attitude is relatively new for Carlson he seems to be following the dictates or trend at Fox. Carlson commented recently how bad China treats Muslims…the US should take a lesson from China, they don’t tolerate racial or religious disruptions in their country, saving them trillions of $/ ¥, thus allowing them to eat our lunch.

    • Replies: @foolisholdman
  61. Rich says:
    @yakushimaru

    Do you mean the descendants of black slaves in America who are the wealthiest, best fed members of their race? Who we can never stop hearing about everywhere we go? Who get preferential treatment in school admissions, jobs and welfare? Can we ever stop hearing about them?

    There are now more American Indians alive in the continental US than there were when Jamestown was founded. They are full citizens,with full voting rights who also receive affirmative action in school admissions, jobs and welfare.

    One of the things I admire about the Chinese, is that they don’t tolerate minorities acting like spoiled brats. I only wish White Americans were capable of learning, or relearning, how to act the same.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  62. Alfa158 says:
    @Joe Stalin

    “We could get money by immediately freeing the US from Puerto Rico, getting rid of birth right citizenship, and making a concerted effort to block illegal aliens from benefiting from government largesse.”

    None of those three things will ever happen without a collapse of the US and subsequent Balkanization. Then there would be:
    No US for Puerto Rico to be a part of.
    New nations with their own rules about who is a citizen
    No largesse available for Third World colonists,

    Unfortunately such a collapse would be, at least at first, even worse than our present condition.

  63. Jim says:
    @Patrick

    As in “Critical Theory” for example?

  64. @Realist

    He meant the Peking in Cathay, the land that the Commies took over, after Chang Kai Shek’s guys bugged out to Formosa. Where’s Formosa, you say?! Crimeny! It’s about 500 miles NNE of Canton.

    But then what do you know about surfin’ Geography, son, you’re probably from GD Burma or Ceylon.

    ;-}

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @The Alarmist
  65. @POCtakingover

    Your “proverbs” are not in any Bible in the world, because the Indians had no books, as they were savages. I really don’t have a problem with this part, I guess:

    This so called opiod epidemic crisis that’s killing thousands of anglos a year is karma.

    Just as it was with China, there’s the supply side, and there’s the demand side. Nobody’s forcing anyone to take the stuff, far as I know. Hopefully that was the same in China back in the day. Spend your money wisely, and teach your children well. (It’s kinda funny the the writers of the song were druggies themselves.)

    • Replies: @yakushimaru
  66. @Rich

    In your first post, you disregard the recent achievements of CPC and only want to judge them by the Mao era. By the same logic, can one judge US only by what happened in the past?

    There are now more American Indians alive in the continental US than there were when Jamestown was founded.

    You familiar with the concept of interest rate? There could have been more Amerindians. And, all the oils could have been theirs. Think about Saudi and Norway.

    • Replies: @Rich
  67. @Achmed E. Newman

    Nobody’s forcing anyone to take the stuff, far as I know.

    This extreme libertarian view throws away things like tax, tariff, domestic policy, … I have no idea what form of goverment could have been left or needed at all. I wonder about your view of Trump’s wall and the US War on Drugs.

    Besides, when Britain sent navy ships and marines, and you say Nobody’s forcing anybody, ain’t that a bit too much for a reasonable mind?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  68. Rich says:
    @yakushimaru

    They were a primitive people still living in the stone age. They never would’ve found ot exploited the natural resources available. Most Indians lived a subsistence lifestyle, fought constant wars and died relatively young. The European colonization was probably the best thing this could have happened to them. Friendly tribes generally prospered and often intermarried with the Palefaces and easily integrated into society. Those stories about genocide and smallpox blankets are myths

    • Replies: @yakushimaru
    , @FB
  69. MarkU says:
    @Rich

    I certainly agree that meritocracy is what is needed, I would also agree that race or gender based affirmative action policy is unfair and unmeritocratic. Having said that, I feel that it needs to be said that real meritocracy requires equality of opportunity. Both the right and the left are hypocrites when it comes to equality of opportunity, the left generally seem to be fixated on equality of outcome, the right are generally supporters of inherited wealth and privilege.

    I suggest that there should be a cap on inherited wealth, it could be quite high (this is not intended to be the politics of envy) What I object to is people inheriting vast fortunes, enough to confer undemocratic and unmeritocratic political influence. Does anyone here seriously believe that George W Bush became President of the US on merit? It is said that a fish rots from the head, It certainly appears to me that the rot affecting our societies is coming from the very top.

    • Replies: @Rich
  70. Chinaman says:
    @d dan

    I like reading John since he is erudite and fair in most case, so it is very disappointing to see him distort history in this manner and justify the war his people wage against China. He is on slippery slope here and I think we will soon see him arguing that slavery is good thing and non-whites wants to be slaves. It is well established that the British empire is the biggest drug dealer of all time. The sin of omission is why human beings don’t learn from history.

    • Agree: d dan
  71. Realist says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    But then what do you know about Geography, son, you’re probably from GD Burma or Ceylon

    .

    Evidently more than you…there is no Peking…it is called Beijing now.
    Pretty weird comment even for you.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    , @Biff
  72. @yakushimaru

    I wonder about your view of Trump’s wall and the US War on Drugs.

    No need to wonder any more. I’m for it*, and I’m against it, in both cases pretty vehemently. Control of the border, including defense against invasion is one of the FEW things the US Gov’t was formed for.

    There is absolutely NOTHING in the US Constitution that gives that same gov’t any power to limit sale or use of drugs of ANY sort. Notice, that back when people still took that Constitution seriously, an amendment (a stupid one, but still… ) had to be passed to allow the US Gov’t to control alcohol. They don’t seem to worry their little heads about all that nowadays.

    Amendment X (of the Bill of Rights):

    The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

    I hope this is a satisfactory answer, Mr. Yakushimaru.

    .

    * Keep in mind, not necessarily a wall, per se (as that’s pretty much overkill and wasteful), but just a working border barrier – 2 10 ft. fences curved at the top toward the south, with concertina wire on top, a no man’s land with a road in between, cameras, posts every 1/2 to 2 miles, depending on terrain … etc. The cost is MINISCULE, something like 1/2 day’s worth of US Feral Gov’t spending. See Peak Stupidity on “Border control vs. the interstate highway system” and “Border control maintenance vs. defending some Koreans from other Koreans”.

    • Replies: @yakushimaru
  73. Corvinus says:
    @Ash Williams

    “And an Operation Wetback 2.0 on steroids, plus immediate and retroactive ending of “birthright citizenship”, and elimination of settling refugees here. Anything less is a half-measure at best. And we won’t even get a half-measure.”

    Christmas wish list? Have you been nice?

    “Nobody has the stomach to do what’s required.”

    Actually, you and your fellow patriots could do something. It would require sacrifice on your part. But you would rather bitch and moan rather than making a difference.

    “So, crash and burn it is.”

    Normies vehemently oppose your Chicken Little in the Sky routine and your Humpty Dumpty scenario.

    “The only upside is that the coming devastation of America…”

    You mean your projection that America could fall.

    • Replies: @Lowe
    , @Ash Williams
  74. Derbyshire, your barely average Chinese family is a good example of the Chinese.

    The Japanese are the only intelligent Asians. The Japanese do not have nuclear weapons. They have changed their constitution so that if they need to militarize, they can. Since, they have not done this yet, China is not a threat.

    You are an evil degenerate whose stupid scribblings are getting more deranged. Your Chinese family is anti-white. Your Chinese family is a fifth column in America. You have written that Asians are smarter than whites. They are not. Why don’t you just move to China as you think they will rule the world?

    • Troll: Mr McKenna
  75. Rich says:
    @MarkU

    I’m glad we’re in agreement on the benefits of merit over idiocracy. It seems to me that should just be the common sense approach to building a just society.

    I have to disagree with you, however, in wanting a cap on inherited wealth. If a man works hard enough to accumulate wealth, he should be allowed to distribute it in any way he chooses at the end of his life. We may not approve of the acts of his heirs, but he earned his money and if his grandson wastes his inheritance on fast women, bad causes and expensive jewelry, I believe that should be his choice.

    In a meritocracy the more sober, intelligent folk should rise to the top anyway, providing a more than adequate balance against the idle rich.

    • Replies: @Escher
  76. @Realist

    I feel no obligation to use the Chinese name, Realist. They don’t call Seattle “Seattle” (as much as they try) and the can call our cities whatever the hell they want for all I care. The Spanish say “Nueva York”. That’s the way it works. Now, if one is a businessman doing business in China, well “do as the Romans do”, of course.

    Anyway, I don’t like Beijing (the name, that is). Peking is much more melodic, and I’ll quote directly from the source, Peak Stupidity here, from “Every Picture Tells a Story, Don’t It?”:

    After reading and discussing China today, the older, English names for countries and for the cities in China came up. PeakStupidity believes the English names were so much nicer and evoked images of the mysterious Orient. For example, would you rather date a girl if she were billed as “a beautiful Oriental lass from Canton, in Cathay in the Far East” or if she were “a good worker loyal party-following comrade from Guangzhou’s Tein-hou district of the People’s Republic”?

    (Oh, and that line was from Apocalypse Now.)

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @Escher
  77. Biff says:
    @Realist

    there is no Peking…it is called Beijing now.

    Maybe where you live, but in the Asian country where I live it is called “Bheking”.

    • Replies: @Antares
    , @Realist
  78. TKK says:

    Chinese people in the generality are happy with the way things are going

    Who speaks for 1.5 billion people?

    They are almost 19% of the global population.

  79. TKK says:
    @Rich

    Facts are irrelevant in these Unz articles about China.

    Not sure why the fawning treatment of China blooms here. Bizarre. There’s a reason why premium dog food states: Not sourced from China! There’s reason why the middle class Chinese are scrambling to get HERE.

    Let the dummies go over and live there and get sassy or snarky with the CCP.

    Its hilarious. Like the college kids craving socialism and 70% income tax rates. Theory is far easier to swallow than practice.

    • Replies: @Daniel Rich
  80. Technomad says:

    If the Chinese get stroppy, they can be brought to heel quickly enough. Their coastline is interdicted by lines of islands that they do not control, and they depend heavily on overseas trade. All it would take would be a blockade far enough out to sea that it couldn’t be reached by missiles fired from the Chinese mainland, and their “economic miracle” would be over. And once that happened, “Lao Baixing” (“Old Hundred Names,” the Chinese equivalent of “John Q. Public”) would start thinking that maybe it was time that the Mandate of Heaven changed hands.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  81. @Rich

    I am not trying to deny the US achievement toward racial harmony. I only wish you people could extend the courtesy towards the progress of China and the challenges ahead.

    Regarding oil, the owners do not have to have all the technology. Saudi was not a leading expert in oil technology back then.

    And, is it really that hard to acknowledge the past atrocities commited by (long dead) people somehow you associate with? Do you really have to argue that killing them was the best thing that happened to them?

    • Replies: @Rich
  82. @Achmed E. Newman

    That’s all sensible.

    In your previous post, you argue that there’s demand and there’s supply for opium, and the opium war is not to be blamed. Now, what about the demand and supply for cheap labor regarding today’s US-Mex border?

    Your answer seems to be that there is a law, or, in essence, there’s collective will of American people against free flowing of cheap labor across that border.

    Okay. But the collective will of Chinese people back then was to deny the free flowing of opium. And the collective will was defeated in the Opium War.

    Wasn’t it bad?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  83. dfordoom says: • Website
    @yakushimaru

    But the beautiful world of yesterday has gone. Options of today are pretty awful everywhere.

    That’s the key isn’t it? If there are no good options all you can do is pick the least worst option.

    It seems like the Chinese system, while a long way from being ideal, may well be the least worst option at the moment.

    Unless you’re a libertarian in which case you can live in a perfect libertarian world that exists only in your own imagination.

  84. “saying that those wars were fought by Britain and France to force opium on China.”

    Correct 100%.

  85. Wally says:
    @IvyMike

    And Israelis need to learn to work for the first time ever.

  86. @Biff

    Cantonese speakers regard themselves as Chinese and regard Cantonese as a Chinese language. Cantonese continues to use the traditional character set and it is this character set that is taught in schools.

    What you refer to as Chinese is the version of Chinese spoken on the mainland which we Westerners call Mandarin. In the People’s Republic, government policy is to require the use of Mandarin as a common language that is written using simplified characters.

    No self respecting Cantonese speaker would use the simplified character set, regarding it as a crude version of the written language, imposed by the Beijing government in an attempt to marginalise other versions of Chinese.

    Another example of two peoples divided by a common language, perhaps?

    • Replies: @Julian of Norwich
  87. @Julian of Norwich

    Also, I am reliably informed that the characters employed by Ash are simplified not traditional.

    I am aware this may not be of interest to everybody.

  88. “A Sputnik Moment with China sometime early in the coming decade will be a whole lot more challenging—way, way more challenging”

    I think outside the USA most people take eventual Chinese global dominance as inevitable at this point, short of a China-Russia or China-USA nuclear war I guess. I don’t see any indication the USA has the desire to stop this, even if it has the capability. Since China won’t replace the USA as global hegemon until some time in the second half of the 21st century, it lies beyond the concerns of the electoral cycle. And in the absence of a major global crisis it may not become obvious when it has occurred. US industrial power exceeded Britain around 1890, but it was only the Second World War 50 years later that showed the USA had replaced Britain as hegemon.

  89. Antares says:
    @Rich

    No person in his (or her) right mind uses the term ChiCom. And why capitalised, it’s not written in BASIC or C++. It reveals the complete idiot who still thinks according to the decades long American brainwashing process that leads to simplified thinking on complex matters. It is a sign of copy-cat thinking capabilities. But perhaps it is just to much asked for the people who renamed Nieuw-Amsterdam. Same for Peking. That is the language of retarded, shallow Anglo-Saxon diplomatic truth-butchers. Everyone else calls it Beijing.

  90. @Godfree Roberts

    Again you wheel out that 2500 years. Your word “poppycock” seems appropriate. I refer to the two ghastly emperors of the Qin dynasty 221-207BC whose contributions to civilisation included the slaughter of concubines and the destruction of whole literatures long after the Greeks had taken the West beyond such primitive ways.

    As to judicial independence it is not some Western fad but, though evolved organically, an objectively valid response to the imperfections of human nature if one wants honest adjudication and fair trials.

  91. Ma Gouyu says:

    You wrote a piece of article with two third anti-China garbage and untrue rubbish.
    You even tried to cheat history by saying that the British did not trade opium.
    You have no idea of the Chinese Communist Party and the mechanism involved.
    The Chinese people have the right to stand up against what is wrong like the riots in Hong Kong caused by a group of criminals paid by foreign agencies including the CIA and the NED.
    If you think that America will have a Sputnik moment, which they never did as they never landed on the moon, you are just, well, fantasizing.
    In short, not to waste my precious time, you are a racist white supremacists.

  92. ivan says:
    @ThreeCranes

    The British as was usual in those days got religion after a while and declared that ‘opium was keeping China from Christ’. From then on the focus was on saving Chinese souls. After which the trade largely passed into Chinese and other Asian hands. But don’t expect the Chicom guilt-mongers to acknowledge that. Opium was already available in China through the Silk Road before the ‘Opium Wars’, and even then in the British Isles did not carry the moral opprobrium that opium addiction bestowed later. So how the hell were the British painted as such cynical manipulators, when it was simply a trade in an addictive substance like tea, coffee or chocolate?

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
    , @d dan
  93. Antares says:
    @Biff

    The name “Bheking” is in itself correct, but this is not an Asian newspaper. Btw, did you move into a former British colony? I can hardly be lectured by an American who lives in an Asian country. What the hell are you doing there? (although I don’t mind personally)

    This shows why the term is used by idiots only (from the article):

    The main aim of the British and French was to open China to normal trade

    Only an idiot would use the word “normal” in that context. The correct word is “criminal.” They couldn’t offer anything of worth but refused to acknowledge this. Their greed was stronger than their morality.

    • Replies: @Biff
  94. Anonymous[342] • Disclaimer says:
    @lysias

    Money is the answer to everything. Ecclesiastes 10:19

  95. ivan says:

    Mr Derbyshire is behind the curve. There was already a ‘Sputnik moment’, but it was delivered by the Americans instead. I refer to the performance of the AlphaGo program that defeated the Go champion Lee Seidol 4-1. Ever since then the proponents of Chinese ‘genius’ rooted in blood and tradition have been trying to come up with something as shattering of the self-esteem of the West. But sadly all they can up with are more copycat, mind numbing papers on neural nets, GNN, ANN, back-propagation and all that crap.

  96. padre says:

    Disgusting lot those Chinese with their collective narcissism and how dare they to have their fillings hurt, who do they think they are, Americans?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  97. I’d also bet China rolls on the way it has, but I would doubt any great technological leaps forward. Asians have been very good at copying and sometimes improving Western inventions (especially the Japanese), but so much big breakthroughs.

  98. Chinese politics remains primitive, with no democratic audit, no independent judiciary, and no institutional corrections if things go awry.

    As if we have those things in the good old USA, to with the ever-present continuing coup whose conspirators and beneficiaries have gone and will go unpunished; meanwhile, the “independent” judiciary continue to legislate from the bench much of the Dem agenda.

    Not to worry though. We should be OK. Look: we have way more Gender Studies graduates than they do, and way more lawyers!

    What, we’re going to form the 69th Queer Lawfare Division?

  99. @Achmed E. Newman

    He meant the Peking in Cathay, the land that the Commies took over, after Chang Kai Shek’s guys bugged out to Formosa.

    You mean, Where Chang and his gang bugged out after being sold out by the Truman Administration in yet another gift from the US “Democrats” to the COMINTERN.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  100. @Anonymous

    But we did trade Pepski Cola for bottles of Stoli from 1972 on.

  101. Ber says:
    @Patrick

    Actually from what I have been exchanging with some officials in businesses ( Chinese), they actually welcome all forms of criticisms. Their view is that they will evaluate criticisms, select those constructive ones and make improvements. Seems like a very positive approach.

  102. @Godfree Roberts

    If you can say one good thing about the Chinese, it might be that they occasionally execute corrupt officials or bureacrats pour le encourager les autres.

  103. Realist says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I feel no obligation to use the Chinese name, Realist.

    Anyway, I don’t like Beijing (the name, that is).

    You evidently enjoy being petulant.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  104. Realist says:
    @Biff

    Maybe where you live, but in the Asian country where I live it is called “Bheking”.

    Whatever the Chinese call it, is the correct name…it’s their city.

  105. US Agriculture and Stock Market interests are swooning over high price China paying for pork.
    What happens when China can better afford to pay for ( essentially limited scarce resources per classic definition) US food stuffs than US citizens?
    Classic supply/ demand model; increasing price resulting in lowered demand resulting in downward price upended. Food stuffs “ Inflation” not abated.
    The call might be for China to produce for its own needs, and recognition that the US economy must similarly be “ Limited”.

  106. @Wizard of Oz

    Clearly, you have never had concubines or you would not condemn their slaughter.

    Which ‘whole literatures’ have we lost and what was their significance?

    The entire idea of ‘judicial independence’ is a con, as anyone who reads Senate judicial confirmation hearings transcripts will attest and as outcome surveys show: Chinese trust in their legal system is twice ours and their incarceration rate is one-third our scandalous level.

    • Replies: @TKK
    , @Wizard of Oz
  107. @ivan

    China was producing opium for centuries before the British arrived. I was part of the Chinese pharmacopeia in 800 AD. Britain’s importation of enormous quantities of cheap opium had the same effect on China as cheap gin on Britain: in both cases, it nearly destroyed society.

    • Replies: @ivan
  108. @Wizard of Oz

    … the destruction of whole literatures long after the Greeks had taken the West beyond such primitive ways.

    Hey, the Christians closed the Academy! The original academy!

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  109. Biff says:
    @Antares

    Bangkok – the other day I was sitting at a bar and a Chinese guy sat down next to me, and the bartender asked where he was from, and he said “Beijing”. Then the bartender and the staff started rambling on about Bheking, Bheking.. Later I asked my wife how Thai’s label the Chinese capitol and she said “Bheking” or Bayking with a thick “B” or a “P” sound similar to the way you would say “Bop” or “Pop” or somewhere in-between.

    Fun Facts!

  110. Anonymous[364] • Disclaimer says:

    Just wait when we face an economic downturn and we face our own riots.

    You think the Chinese won’t revel in supporting antifa, or blacks, or browns who want to take back Texas?

  111. Anonymous[364] • Disclaimer says:
    @unit472

    Central Control does indeed stifle innovation.

    But who’s economy is more centrally controlled? I would argue that Americas is with its vast tech monopolies.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  112. @yakushimaru

    Yes, I agree that was a bad thing, the purposeful introduction of opium. I agree the Chinese had every right to (try to) stop it. Really, they had every right to tell the British “we don’t want to do business with you period, so bugger off!” Might makes right sometimes, though …

    I doubt the intentions with the fentanyl coming from China are too much different- just big bucks involved. Still, there wouldn’t be a problem if there wasn’t a demand for it. People are weak. I am lucky to have never used any of the addictive drugs, but I don’t say I’m any above all that.

    I don’t think Big-Biz should be above national sovereignty. The cheap labor SHOULD be be cut off at the demand side, as well as the supply side. That means highly-publicized mass arrests and punishment of employers happening daily (yes, that could go on for years, based on the numbers, but things would change in a hurry before that long)*, along with the border barrier.

    All that said (about the British/China relations a couple of centuries ago), I think the British culture has been a force of good in general around the world. What would India be had the place never been run by the Brits? It’d be even more of a shithole. The places in black Africa that the British ruled are reverting back, but they had their chance to civilize. Let’s let the Chinese give it a try – I have no problem with that and am stocked up with the best Orville Redenbacher has to offer.

    .

    * For the commenters that keep going on about “the judges! the judges! Trump can’t do anything”, he absolutely could have his DOJ start this – should have been done 2 1/2 years ago.

  113. @Realist

    Whatever, Peking is the name, and I’m stickin’ to it.

  114. @padre

    … and how dare they to have their fillings hurt, who do they think they are, Americans?

    Hey, not everyone can have the Cadillac dental plan … much less an actual Cadillac.

  115. @The Alarmist

    I don’t know much about that part of the story, Alarmist. I’ve read mostly about the AVG, the Burma Road, and some about General Stilwell’s not very good relations with “the peanut”.

    Paste in a good link, if you have one.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
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  117. Greg Bacon says: • Website
    @Godfree Roberts

    God Free Roberts yearns for the good ol’ days of Chi-Com, when the Butcher Mao was busy murdering tens of millions of Chinese, to bring about his cultural revolution, which was another way of fooling the peasants into thinking something marvelous was happening, when it was just the usual suspects, this time Chinese kleptocrats, staying large and in charge thru mass murder.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Ber
    , @BlackDragon
  118. neutral says:

    The USA is a anti white regime, it also only 50% white. If you are white and you care about white people you have to be anti America. Wanting sputnik moments or WW3 or whatever grand plan that is being conccoted, you support this you support white ethnic replacement. Pick pro white or pro America, you cannot have it both ways.

    • Replies: @Biff
  119. Walter says:

    [in direct violation of Law, the Vienna Convention] “US imposes restrictions on Chinese diplomats” (Press TV and elsewhere).

    Have those Good Men down at the shop realized that the provincial aspects of US, places like western Europe, Hawaii, California, Texas are, as conditions become chaotic and impoverished, liable to be sized up by Mr Chin in terms of WinWin business deals – and Mr Chin has (some say 20,000 tons of) Gold to back up any offers to, say, the Governor of California….to, say, develop Humboldt Bay as a major port…and run rail through the mountains. Is this why they are afraid of Mr Chin’s diplomats?

    Yeah, they’re gunna eat our lunch.

    Does Alaska go back to Russ? Will they sell Yosemite?

  120. onebornfree says: • Website

    The “Chinese Economic Miracle” Scam:

    Sputnik moment or not [who cares?], the Chinese economy, [aka”the Chinese Miracle”] is most likely now in free-fall, and may well fully collapse in the near future. [i.e. 1 to 10years], although nothing is written in stone.

    This might well be the primary reason why it is now “grasping at straws”[ such as the complete takeover of the the Hong Kong economy], well before the agreed on 2047 takeover date, in order to try to keep the Chi-Coms totalitarian dictatorial power structure afloat for a little longer, and to try stave off the inevitable complete collapse of the Chinese economy, which must/will happen if China continues on its present [hard-core Communist], anti-free market, anti- human agenda of total control of its population under the “guidance”of the mad/idiot communist and murderous dictator Xi and his sycophantic enablers.

    The only way to reverse this coming complete collapse of the Chinese economy is for the Chinese government to fully revert to [at the very least!] , the slightly more free-market economic policies of Deng Xiaoping (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deng_Xioping ].

    It was these these, [slightly more free-market] economic policies that directly led to what is now called “the Chinese miracle”], simply because more freedom for individuals always results in a wealthier society as a whole .

    The “Chinese miracle” directly instigated via the economic reforms and policies of Deng Xiaoping are a perfect demonstration of this principle [ more economic and personal freedom brings about a wealthier society] .

    But idiots and economic illiterates like Xi are incapable of understanding that [or they just don’t care,as long as they can continue to “legally” loot the general population and remain rich by so doing].

    Since the demise of Xiaoping, China has reverted to the exact same economic policies that he [Xiaoping] had previously part-way eliminated; idiotic [i.e Mao and post Mao hard-core communist] policies which had, prior to Xiaoping, previously mired China in economic poverty and stagnation for many years.

    Chinese Economy-Living on Borrowed Time!

    The return [under Xi] of the idiotic, anti-freedom, hard-core communist, pre-Xiaoping economic policies means that China is currently living on borrowed time and must, just like the USSR before it, collapse at some point in time, and probably quite soon.

    Fact:The more that the power mad commies at the top react to this collapse via even more top-down, centralized control measures, [i.e. “doubling down”] the faster, and the worse that economic collapse will be.

    Since power-mad megalomaniacs like Xi and his are incapable of learning either through education, history [eg USSR], or via direct experience , I expect the collapse of the “Chinese miracle” to continue unabated, and for it to actually accelerate, as the mainland Chinese communist megalomaniacs/economic illiterates running the show literally double down on their highly destructive policies of even less economic freedom and even more control of the Chinese population.

    Many people in Hong Kong probably already know and understand at least part of this [above] ; if not, at the very least, many seem to intuitively understand that a Chinese takeover of Hong Kong ensures far less personal and economic freedom – and consequently a lower standard of living for everyone now living there [outside of communist party members].

    Regards, onebornfree

  121. Biff says:
    @neutral

    Pick pro white or pro America, you cannot have it both ways.

    What’s wrong with being neutral, neutral?

  122. @Achmed E. Newman

    Start here

    http://www.unz.com/book/john_beaty__the-iron-curtain-over-america/

    Skip to Chapter VI if you want to go straight to the Truman/China story.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  123. augusto says: • Website

    Well, now the chinese discoveries, supremacies and breakthroughs are a product of American naivete and American natural soft hearted goodness.
    In another words, it is the same exceptionalism, the same manifest Destiny – still recoverable if the good old yankees stop being naive and helping Chinese students at home –
    it is not the US greed.
    It is not the protestant culture of prosperity by any means, including violence.
    t is not US long term planning to dominate the other week nations all around.
    It is not about the endless false flags.

    It is not about the average inferiority of their youth students vis .a.vis the asian ones.,
    It is NOT whatsoever about the creation of 17 (seventeen) spy, surveillance and intelligence agencies to do all sorts of plagued evil around the globe, including Hong Kong.
    Is is not the revolving, growing and well paid doors between Pentagonistic guys and the elected people in the white house and the Capitol corridors.
    WHY don t they start immediately sending American 17th eens students to Shangai and Shengen colleges and START copying the latest tech asian gadgets and electronic marvels?
    Well, perhaps there is the counter poison…

  124. Likewise with the Opium Wars of the middle 19th century. Razib quotes a Chinese writer, Joe Tsai, owner of the Brooklyn Nets and co-founder of Alibaba, saying that those wars were fought by Britain and France to force opium on China.
    That’s a gross over-simplification. The main aim of the British and French was to open China to normal trade; both governments frowned on the opium business.

    Oh! That’s OK then! Of course it is OK to force countries to engage in normal trade by killing about 10 million of them (in one war) and looting the country. No problem there!

    Yes, the UK government frowned on the opium trade, so much so, that it did hardly anything to encourage it! I mean Jardine and HSBC hardly survived their disapproval, did they?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @dfordoom
  125. The first step is to abolish the Dept. of Education and kick the zionist controlled government out of our schools and return the control of the schools to the local school boards. The education system has been deliberately dumbed down by our zionist controllers!

    The freeing of Americas schools would return America to a great education system that it once was before the zionists took over!

    Abolish the Dept. of Education!

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    , @Ber
  126. @Joe Stalin

    Before WW2, Hollywood used to pander to the German market, for the simple reason that the Germans showed a lot of Hollywood-made films. In particular the heroes and heroines* had to be blond and blue-eyed and the villain had to be swarthy. Now, I understand, the film has to have at least one good Chinese in it. Preferably in a leading role.

    *All right! Female heroes then.

  127. @unit472

    While Western liberty seems to be eroding at a rapid pace it is still far ahead of China. This could be important as if you are a Chinese inventor with a new product that will make you a billionaire do you want to be a billionaire who can be arrested and your fortune confiscated or might you prefer to live in the West?

    When I was at school in the UK, I invented a domestic electrical fuse which lit up to show when it had been blown. I took out a provisional patent on it and took it to various manufacturers of electrical equipment and asked if they would like to manufacture it. They all pooh-poohed the idea. After another 18 months, I let the patent application lapse and within a couple of weeks, two of them started to produce versions of my idea.

    I don’t know what it is like being an inventor with no money in China, but I doubt that it is worse than being such in the west.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  128. @DESERT FOX

    The push for creation of the Department of Education by Jimmy Carter was payback to the teacher’s unions for supporting him in the 1976 presidential election. Nice going, teachers, how do you like spending part of your day on Uncle Sam’s bureaucracy? Suck it, ladies (OK, I guess the ones actually present during that time are mostly retired or dead, but still….)

    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
  129. @onebornfree

    The “Chinese Economic Miracle” Scam:
    Sputnik moment or not [who cares?], the Chinese economy, [aka”the Chinese Miracle”] is most likely now in free-fall, and may well fully collapse in the near future. [i.e. 1 to 10years], although nothing is written in stone.

    I have been reading this since 1/1/1949. It certainly will come true – some day.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  130. I make no claims to expertise in Chinese history, but everything from my ancient course in the subjecto to Stephen Platt’s Imperial Tqilight, a history of the first opium war, has the East India Company forcing opium on China very much against its will. The book is very well researched. The Americans were in second place as drug dealers to China.

    • Replies: @Richard B
    , @David
  131. @Joe Stalin

    The American consumer did in fact hurt Gillette when they did their stupid woke advertising campaign. They lost billions because of it.

  132. Beijinger says:

    How pathetic!
    You insist in Peking, instead of Beijing.
    Beijing 北京,literally means ‘Capital in the north’, ‘Bei’ 北 is North, ‘Jing’京 is Capital.
    Peking is the name during ROC(Republic of China) time when the Capital move to the south city Nanjing南京, which literally means ‘Capital in the south’, ‘Nan’南 is South, ‘Jing’京is still Capital.
    You still refuse to accept the existence of PRC(People’s Republic of China) after 70 years. How pathetic are you!
    China, or communism, which one do you hate more? LOL, don’t tell me you are just being a Taiwan lover.

    Keep hating.
    Not much else you can do except the lies and smears.
    We were somehow ‘grateful’, to some extent your lies worked to cover China and hide China when we desperately needed more space and time to develop ourselves.
    Now China is too big to hide any more, so your lies and smears just keep the truth away from your people. Not that helping to us anymore, but still works. Good.

    Less and less people will buy your BS, finally you just lie to yourself.

    By the way, when Chinese diplomatically say ‘you hurt the feeling of Chinese people’, the subtext here is ‘Chinese still have good feelings of you (so currently there is something left for you to hurt at least), we can still be good friend if you stop it’.

    Collective narcissism or not, it’s a mild tone of warning. It’s some old habit of being the Middle Kingdom that you don’t jump up and down and behave like a drama queen which confuse others who supposed to treat you seriously.
    China is still weak, you don’t read China, so you don’t get the message.
    When China regain her position, you will read. Or maybe not, someone is just too barbaric to read.

    • Replies: @yakushimaru
  133. @foolisholdman

    It did come through, stupidoldman, for about 30-odd years, coincidentally, I’m sure, during the peak of hard-core Communism in the place. Things got a whole lot better with Chairman Deng and his “Socialism with Chinese characteristics”, those characteristics being free-market Capitalism.

    You are indeed an old man if you already could read on the first day of 1949. 75 years old, at least, right, yet no smarter than you were on 1/1/1949, you dirty stinking Commie.

    • Replies: @foolisholdman
  134. Moi says:
    @Rich

    Sorry, but the US is just too corrupt as a culture. Once corruption sets in, it’s nearly impossible to get rid of it.

  135. @Rich

    I suppose they could change their name to the “Happy, Friendly, Loving Party” but until then, they’re still the Chicoms.

    The actual name of the party is: 共产党 (Gòngchǎndǎng) which means something like “the together production party”.

    They are the heirs to the idealogues who are, perhaps, the worst murderers in the history of the world.

    Godfree Roberts has already debunked this idea in an article on this site. Probably one called “Everything you know about China is wrong”.

    • Replies: @Rich
  136. Richard B says:
    @Fred V. Reed

    the East India Company forcing opium on China very much against its will. The book is very well researched. The Americans were in second place as drug dealers to China.

    “White Man Bad!”, said the White man eagerly feeding his addiction to mood-altering through self-righteousness with such noble self-abnegation.

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

    • Replies: @d dan
  137. @Rich

    Yakushimaru said:

    If we are going down this direction, maybe we can remember the Black Slaves and natives of North America before the 13 colonies began expansion.

    and you replied:

    Do you mean the descendants of black slaves in America who are the wealthiest, best fed members of their race? Who we can never stop hearing about everywhere we go? Who get preferential treatment in school admissions, jobs and welfare? Can we ever stop hearing about them?
    There are now more American Indians alive in the continental US than there were when Jamestown was founded. They are full citizens,with full voting rights who also receive affirmative action in school admissions, jobs and welfare.

    If that is your argument then the awful ChiComs (the worst murderers in History according to you) have caused the number of Chinese to balloon from 400 million in1949 to the present 1.3 billion.

  138. @Joe Stalin

    We’ll see how long this last before it is scrubbed. Every time I comment on this clowns articles, they are deleted. Hahahaha

  139. @Anonymous

    “vast tech monopolies”??? What actual monopolistic businesses are you referring to? Are you just referring to the barriers to entry because of sheer size if you want to compete with Boeing or Intel? Or do you you treat all IP protection as giving “central control”. I find your argument very difficult to understand.

  140. @Achmed E. Newman

    Agree, you may be aware of this, it is in The Protocols of Zion, that the zionists would subvert education, just as they have subverted everything in America, if you have never read the Protocols of Zion, you can google it, it is the zionist plan to install a zionist NWO!

  141. @polistra

    Well, hypersonic missiles SHOULD have been the exact equivalent of Sputnik. Hypersonic exposed our total failure to maintain our own skills and industries. Russia never offshored its electronics and technology, so it steadily got ahead of us.

    No, The Russians offshored their technicians. Fortunately, not all of them.

    Maybe worse, the surprise factor showed that our spies had NOT been doing their job. Spies are necessary. Spies can prevent wars by detecting foreign military developments in time to put up a good deterrent. Our spies are no longer spying on foreign threats. They’re just turning disaffected youngsters into “terrorists” to justify internal tyranny, and creating two-sided puppet shows to keep the population stupid.

    “It’s a job innit? The important thing is not to do your job, it is to get paid for it.”

    One would think, that a country with 17 or so intelligence agencies would know something about the enemy’s new weapons! Perhaps, they all thought it was the job of some other agency?

  142. Stogumber says:

    Opium wars?
    We have to take into account that Mr. Derbyshire is somewhat prejudiced when he deals with historical opponents of the Englishmen. (He’s as prejudiced about the Irish.)
    The Opium Wars didn’t get their name out of nothing. And they got that name by the British public, not by Chinamen.
    Britain had sold the monopoly for opium production and trade to a guy named Sassoon. He was the biggest single payer into the Treasury. The state didn’t “frown” about that. (The Quaker merchants frowned – they refused to load opium on their ships.)
    The British government demanded that China had to open up for British opium. On the other hand the government forbade Sassoon to import opium into Great Britain. How’s that for double standards?

    • Replies: @nsa
  143. Tom Verso says:
    @d dan

    Derbyshire is a brilliant wordsmith. I suspect that at some point in his life he thought about being a poet. And, like poets he has to concern or indeed respect for empirical reality. Notice no reference to his generalization about opium trade. The glib is the essence of his writing. I stopped reading him long ago. But, old enough to remember the “Sputnik Moment” a nostalgic ping brought me into the article. I stopped reading at his “analysis of the opium war”.

  144. TKK says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Chinese environmental lawyers do not trust it.

    Villagers living in the path of the Yangtze River whose ancestors’ homes were flooded do not trust it.

    North Korean asylum seekers know not to trust it.

    How could anyone take you seriously as a scholar, journalist or writer? You have no crediblity- frantically cheer leading for a country of 1.5 billion.

    I sincerely doubt you have ever been there- because a few moments on the street in say…. Chengdu- would drive home the cringe worthiness of you making grand, ham fisted Disney- nsque pronouncements about such a huge, complex country and peoples.

  145. @Realist

    Carlson commented recently how bad China treats Muslims…

    Isn’t it f’ing marvellous! Here is a US commentator who says nothing about the Palestinians or the 500,000 children that were murdered by sanctions on Iraq. Which according to SoS Madeline Albright was “Worth it.” (Sic!) Has nothing to say about the millions of other Muslims that the USA has murdered and continues to murder daily, and yet, expects us to think he is really, really, desperately worried about the fate of some Muslims in Xinjiang who are being locked up or prevented from worshipping. Does anyone buy it? If so why? What sort of double-think is required?

    • Agree: Ber
    • Replies: @Realist
    , @dfordoom
  146. @Achmed E. Newman

    I bet that by 1/10/1949 I knew more about the history of China than you do now.

    I neither know nor care how you wash or smell. It has no bearing on facts.

  147. @Antares

    this nerd guy knows the new name of the capitol is the chinese name BEIJING not some ugly sounding british peking , hes mad that the chinese dont give him the respect he got when he was there previously,he’s just a petty guy.

  148. PeterMX says:

    “Is A “Sputnik Moment” Coming? Could the U.S. Respond If It Did?” In the field being discussed (aerospace), probably not. The US was able to respond to Sputnik within two months of Sputnik’s success by telling Werner von Braun (Germany’s rocket scientist) and his men to launch a satellite. Until that time, they were being held back from conducting their work so a group of Ameriicans could work on the project. Once he was given approval, von Braun’s team launched the USA’s answer within 2 months of Sputnik.

    The US also got their first jets with the engineers that built them from Germany, which began mass production of jets in late 1944 in the war. With these technologies the US was able to compete with the USSR in space (and win) and lead in commercial aerospace for dcades too. In 1968 the predecessor of Airbus (the European consorteum) began (against the USA’s wishes), but it took several decades for them to match, and I believe now surpass, American commercial aerospace. The moon anding in 1969 was the crowning acheivement of the US in space. This was achieved with the Germans, now American citizens, leading the project. Since then, little else has been done.

    Only 3 months ago a Washinton radio station was forced to apologize for commneding von Braun for his contributi9n to the US space project.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/media/453381-dc-news-outlet-pulls-feature-crediting-nazi-rocket-scientist-for-apollo-11

    Decades earlier the US deported another key member of the Apollo team, German Arthur Rudolph (after he helped put the men on the moon).

    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v08/v08p224_Countess.html

    It is no surprise that other countries (besides the USA and USSR) are finally entering space. Why Europe never did anything I suspect has to do with politics and a mindset, that Germany and Europe should not lead.

    But in other fields I think the US could respond very well to any challaenge, for now. At the end of WW II the US became the new leader in pure science (physics, chemistry, medicine), replacing Germany and other European countries and the US still dominates pure science and the Nobel Prizes that go along with that. But, I suspect that within 20 or 30 years the US will have a strong challenger (China, and maybe Japan) that will surpass the US in pure science too. The USA’s top universities have very large numbers of Asian students that make them number one and those students will soon make their native countries competitors of the US. So, in areas like biotechnology, the US will soon have competitors. I also believe nothing can be done to stop those countries from surpassing the US.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    , @Joe Stalin
  149. @Achmed E. Newman

    yeah keep stickin to it, shows you were treated bad when you were in china, and this feels good.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  150. d dan says:
    @ivan

    “The British as was usual in those days got religion after a while and declared that ‘opium was keeping China from Christ’. From then on the focus was on saving Chinese souls. “

    Spotted another opium war apologist. Yeah, Britain tried to force opium on China, then tried to save China from opium. They were so “great”.

    “But don’t expect the Chicom guilt-mongers to acknowledge that. “

    Don’t expect the apologist / racist to acknowledge the guilt the west committed against China.

    “So how the hell were the British painted as such cynical manipulators, when it was simply a trade in an addictive substance like tea, coffee or chocolate?”

    Great, opium is like chocolate. Please share some with your 5-year kid, or declare you are bringing in a pound of opium when you pass through a immigration custom next time.

    • Replies: @ivan
  151. res says:
    @d dan

    This reference might be of interest.
    https://www.library.hbs.edu/hc/heard/commodities-currencies.html

    The drug represented 57 percent of all imports into China and also became a major source of currency.16

    As far as I can tell, reference 16 is page 22 of:
    Lockwood, Stephen Chapman. Augustine Heard & Co., 1858-1862: American Merchants in China. Cambridge, MA: East Asian Research Center, Harvard University, 1971.

    If “normal trade” was less than the opium trade I think “The main aim of the British and French was to open China to normal trade” is a stretch.

    P.S. I thought the Opium Wars apologia was a flaw in an otherwise good (and sobering) article.

    • Agree: d dan
  152. nsa says:
    @Stogumber

    “monopoly for opium production and trade to a guy named Sassoon”
    The death peddling Sassoon family just like the modern day death peddling Sackler family……surprise surprise…….jews. Nothing too low for the jew filth when there is a buck in it.

  153. @Beijinger

    Regarding collective narcissim and hurt feelings. These “old China hand”-style analysis is indeed quite a bit nauseating. But Derb is very fond of it and can even go into 1930s or 1800s books to bring ’em out again, and again, and again. Given how much first hand contact he obviously has with modern China, somehow you have to factor his old age in.

    In anycase, I kind of like Derb’s writing very much.

  154. d dan says:
    @Richard B

    Nothing about “White Man Bad!”

    It is being courageous to admit white man made mistake.

    • Replies: @Richard B
  155. Anon[421] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    “Peking duck” has a mouth watering pop to it whereas “Beijing duck” lacks crispiness. Anyway you slice it there’s probably little difference. In terms of world affairs the Chinese are in luck because it must be obvious all over that the US political system is on the verge of a great fracturing and martial law. Enjoy this 24 hours; you never really know.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  156. You say: “they’re going to eat our lunch”

    I say: with traitors like you, not only the minorities in China but the west will suffer, all because you and your ilk have the yellow fever!

  157. @Neuday

    You can vote if you become a member of the Party, which is unlikely but not impossible. If you manage to scale that, no one isn’t going to consider you not Chinese at that point.

  158. @PeterMX

    “Only 3 months ago a Washinton radio station was forced to apologize for commneding von Braun for his contributi9n to the US space project.”

    At least he was mentioned; in the ABC and CBS retrospectives on Apollo 11 this year, he was completely written out of the programs.

    All-Time Top 100 Stars of Aerospace and Aviation Announced

    Press Release From: Aviation Week
    Posted: Wednesday, June 18, 2003

    Wright Brothers, Werhner von Braun Earn Top Ranking as Most Important and Influential Ever in Aviation Week�s “Top 100 Stars of Aerospace” Poll

    These men and women are the dreamers and doers who have changed the way we live. Every aspect of modern life is affected because of their accomplishments, inspiration and vision of flight,” said Aviation Week Group Executive Vice President/Publisher Kenneth E. Gazzola. “The list is truly global – 20 from France alone – which demonstrates that the desire to go higher and faster is shared by people all over the earth.”

    http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=11860

    • Replies: @Sean
  159. Joe Wong says:
    @Rich

    The way to save the US is leaving science, technology, manufacturing and enterprising to the Chinese, while the Americans focusing on producing more lawyers, social workers, economists, MBAs, politicians, and other social science related specialists.

  160. Ineresting! John Derbyshire is writing abut subjects other than race now, leaving his racist, censoring twin Paul Kersey to soldier on!

    this article is so funny I pealed as I read. when America, in total domination, especially when the Russians collapsed, stepped on the entire planet, claimed the entire globe where was Derbyshire..if we went back to his writings of that what would we find..concert with the rest of the planet of slurping in american supremacy?

    who the hell wants to repeat america and world-wide relentlessly hostile and socially divisive imperialism again?

    what have we had since europe slithered out of its cold covens and undermined and destabilized the planet…yes those 57 years since 1450 or utter terror on planet earth. that’s done now..and we wont have no Chinese imperialism to replace the european one on it death bed?

    we wont have no god dam Chinese sputnik moment. the Chinese are already long past Sputnik moments relative to the USA. and they have announced that they are already. they are gone..and it is about saving the human species..which project has absolutely nothing to do with Derbyshire’s concerns here

    indefinite human survival in nature has nutten to do with any god dam imperialism..but how do we make in the world/universe we have now proven is a job indeed.,..one so far there does not seem to be any positive answer to. but we have to find it if there is an answer or if we can create on that permits humanity to go on in existence indefinitely

    who the hell cares about racism, accumulation of huge sums of wealth in few hands while the rest of the species is held back, retarding the human development that would provide the answers we need to secure human existence in nature – the real issue of humanity.

    just imagine that eh..humans need answers, yet a few whites and Jews have captured all the money, control everything and lock down the planet, have no interest at all in the development of human knowledge and skills in existence, because they are afraid that that will kindle social revolution that would take away their rotten wealth, and freedom to lock every body down.

    sick shit all that…and Derbyshire lamenting its passage. I cant wait until its gone forever. piss on it..and the whole world is developing. all and everyone and humanity society battles them with plenty on every levels. that is the problem we should have not sick capitalism with all it’s attendant evils and social horrors.

    we must make even more haste, drive the west out of the world as capitalists, leaving the only western job that remains to be done to the people of the west..yes REVOLUTION! revolutionize the west..cleanse it of its disgusting capitalist/zionist class and lackeys who dominate now..put them out of their misery and win for the western ordinary people the opportunity to join up the rest of the world in collective hard won popular democracy and general prosperity

  161. @PeterMX

    “The US also got their first jets with the engineers that built them from Germany, which began mass production of jets in late 1944 in the war.”

    Don’t think so.

    • Replies: @PeterMX
    , @Bombercommand
  162. Sean says:

    The Raj opium monopoly had to continue exporting the country that had a tea monopoly: China. The opium war was on Chinese mandarins’ policy which may have been inspired by Taoist let-it-be methods of governance but seemed to others to amount to mercantilism. The Chinese had the secret of tea, and were happy to export tea, but not to buy anything from Britain. So on top of the huge amounts of porcelain and silk, a vast increase in tea import would have to have been paid in a universally accepted repository of value, if Britain’s Indian opium to China trade had been stopped. And this in the 1790s following the loss of the cash cow American colonies. If they had all the tea and we had nothing we could trade with them for it, how could we get our tea? By giving them our silver in exchange (joke).

    China is not going to overtake America in innovation.

    https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/andreas-wagner/life-finds-a-way/

    Most readers associate evolution with Darwinian natural selection, but Wagner points out its limited creative capacity. In natural selection, a better adapted organism produces more offspring. This preserves good traits and discards bad ones until it reaches a peak of fitness. This process works perfectly in an “adaptive landscape” with a single peak, but it fails when there are many—and higher—peaks. Conquering the highest—true creativity—requires descending into a valley and trying again. Natural selection never chooses the worse over the better, so it can’t descend. Wagner devotes most of his book to the 20th-century discovery of the sources of true biological creativity: genetic drift, recombination, and other processes that inject diversity into the evolutionary process. The human parallel with natural selection is laissez faire competition, which is efficient but equally intolerant of trial and error. Far more productive are systems that don’t penalize failure but encourage play, experimentation, dreaming, and diverse points of view. In this vein, American schools fare poorly, but Asian schools are worse.

    Cutting off the technology transfer and overheating their economy with an arms race will clip China’s wings incredibly quickly, just as it did with Russia.

    Some people want to talk about Israel here too. Very well then: while an embarrassment to Western ethical purity with its treatment of the Palestinians, Israel is side issue for the US ( Kurds too are unfortunate, but hardly our responsibility). A confrontation with burgeoning China beckons, and America needs to be united. Going off on tangents to play Santa to peoples who lost the geopolitical game and are without a state would weaken the West.

    Cut Israel lose to feel morally pure? It would be nice, but hardly worth destruction of the anti China alliance before it even got off the launch pad . The Israel Lobby are a pain, but we need them, because we need everyone in the West all pulling together for the fight that is coming.

    • LOL: FB
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    , @BlackDragon
  163. Talha says:

    Could the U.S. Respond If It Did?

    It already has…

    Read ’em and weep, China – read ’em and weep.

    Peace.

  164. @Rich

    The US knows how to handle Sputnik-like challenges.

    Go to Hollywood–and fake it till you make it!

    (This time there will be a perfectly diverse crew for the production–are we the best or what?)

  165. there has already been Sputnik moments recently..several. but the US will never catch up this time. in decline the USA does not have the resources to focus on catching up.

    the american people are locked down and suffering, less and less able to pay to feed themselves with the absolutely rotten diet they have available: Poor health and health services that are very expensive the people cannot afford it..lousy education less and less are able to access.

    so when and how can the US catch with the East when the East are the opposite, expanding all the time, bringing all their people on stream, fed and watered by societies more satisfied and in tune with themselves and with each other..who have recognized that their survival depends on neutralizing the US and have joined up in cooperation to achieve that goal?

    America will catch up only when the system that has brought america and americans to this current pass, that has brought the american nation to its knees.. is overthrown and the people create a popular democratic hands-on administrative set up… by the people for the people… and go about directly solving their problems by taking over and properly allocating american resources to meet american problems and needs..those of all the american people

    that is the only way to bring all americans on-stream, working for a living, producing good clean food to eat.. and same way all with all they need to live..all with access to the good health and education they need and want..NO MORE SOCIAL LOCK DOWN AND MISDIRECTION OF NATIONALIST PURPOSE INTO THE POCKETS OF INSATIABLE MINORITY ELITES

    it is only that way that america can and will catch up again.. but by that time it wont be a question of catch up to anybody, but to bring the people online and in tune with their total needs on this day and stage of human advance, and in line with the real overall and general human issue and question: HOW DOES HUMANITY SURVIVE INDEFINITELY IN AN EVOLUTIONARY UNIVERSE!???

  166. Richard B says:
    @d dan

    Nothing about “White Man Bad!”

    Of course there is. Because he would never talk about White Man Good.

    It is being courageous to admit white man made mistake.

    There’s nothing “courageous” about self-abnegation, at all.

    Besides, White men are the ONLY people in the world who have the capacity for self-criticism.

    Jews won’t do it.
    Muslims won’t do it.
    Blacks won’t do it.
    Latinos won’t do it.
    Asians won’t do it (especially the Chinese).
    And women won’t do it.

    So spare me the moralizing. It’s dumb, dishonest and boring.

    • Replies: @Mj
    , @Lin
  167. @yakushimaru

    No, they would have but the last Academicians walked according to Christine Nixey’s The Darkening Age. Marvellous book. Do you know it?

  168. Talha says:

    cratering demographics

    This one seems to me to be the most interesting one – especially given what the state power was capable of doing in order to control the population and bring it from growing. Is this something they can pull up from a terminal nosedive? Forcing abortions and/or sterilizations or massively fining people is one thing…but can you force people to have children? It’ll certainly be interesting to find out how, if they do.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  169. schrub says:

    Let me get this straight. John Derbyshire goes to a lecture at the Heritage Foundation, the very center of the earth for all things Neo-conist and pro-Israeli.

    There, he gets to socialize with fellow attendees, among whom are some very same Neo-cons who directly got him fired as a writer when he was employed at National Review Magazine. Others attendees there there at heritage merely supported his firing. His dismissal was for writing some things considered blasphemy in the Neo-con bible as written by the shaman Irving Kristol.

    At this lecture he voluntarily listens to David Goldman. Goldman writes under the name of Spengler at Asia Times, the publication he owns. Goldman is known as an absolutely fervent supporter of Israel and Jewish power. Goldman is also a member of the Board of Advisors of Sino-Israel Government Network, rumored to be a Mossad front group.

    Why would Derbyshire attend such an event considering these factors. Was it to show a bit of self abasement to his old enemies in order to get back on the on the very well funded gravy train that he previously enjoyed at the mysteriously funded (CIA?) National Review Magazine? Apparently Derbyshire must have thought that it was time for a bit of shameless groveling and rear end kissing.

    I have always thought that Derbyshire would abandon us mere Paleo-cons and Libertarians in a eye blink if he Neo-cons forgave him and beckoned his return back to his previous and much more luxurious life at National Review. That is the reason that he has always seemed to especially leery about mentioning Jewish power in the US and Europe. Doing so might lessen his chances of re-employment.

    Did Derbyshire buy one of those “Supporter of Israeli Defense Force” tee shirts that are rumored to be for sale there in the gift store at the Heritage Foundation. Did he then put it on and parade around with it during the rest of the lecture as the ultimate act of penance.

    I wonder?

  170. @foolisholdman

    “killing about 10 million of them (in one war)”. What are you talking about? What is your evidence for this – till 1914, even 1941 – amazing figure?

    • Replies: @foolisholdman
  171. PeterMX says:
    @Joe Stalin

    The only problem with it was that it didn’t work. It wasn’t aerodynamic and was no faster than a conventional airplane. The Germans produced the first jet and the first operational jet. “Operational” being key, meaning it worked and was 150 mph faster than the fastest conventional airplane.

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  172. @Godfree Roberts

    You have descended to deeply fallacious reasoning. The ideal of perfect judicial independence is only to be aimed for and approached fairly well and America’s level of achievement is not the best in the Anglosphere. And perhaps you mistake the evidences of set ideas you might get from readimg Senate committee transcripts for evidence of lack of independence. You would be wrong. The swcurity of tenure of SCOTUS (and other federal judges) is true security and they can change their minds with impunity. Moreover the everyday issues of courts are not the great constitutional issues but ones in which the interests of a political psrty or a corporate or government budget may have to be disregarded.

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  173. Sean says:
    @Joe Stalin

    https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.2968/063004019
    Wernher von Braun’s Ultimate Weapon
    In his novel, the United Space Forces have to appeal for money for the Mars expedition to the president and congress of the United States of Earth in the world capital of Greenwich, Connecticut; it was von Braun’s projection of the American system over the whole globe. How the planet got to that state is outlined in The Mars Project’s fascinating prologue, “AD. 1980”: “The final catastrophic conflict was over. The great Eastern Bloc, after five of the most frightful years in the history of the world, had finally succumbed to the last despairing blows of the almost exhausted Western Powers. Of the great Asiatic mass had become a group of smaller states, slowly digging out from under the ruins of the war.” The key to victory in “the dread winter of 1974-1975” had been the space station “Lunetta”–the name he still treasured from his teenage short story. It had served as a battle station, dropping atomic missiles on Soviet industrial and military facilities.

    What a surprise, Von Braun wanted world Iron Sky domination

    Eisenhower did not want an arms race with the Soviets, and he longed to give Germany nukes so it could defend itself and America could save money of of massice conventional forces in Europe. But then Sputnik made him look like a sleepy old man, and it was the feeling he had allowed the USSR to steal a technological march on the West as much as Nixon’s poor performance in the debate that made JFK president. People forget that Kennedy won as a Cold War Warrior ranting about a missile gap. Trump is a tribune of the people waking up the senile elites to the danger of China closing the gap..

    • Replies: @PeterMX
  174. Big deal; Wernher von Braun became an American patriot. I know that’s a bad thing on Unz, but that’s the way it is here.

    US of Earth… “Everyone wants to rule the world”…

  175. @Joe Stalin

    Entirely correct. The United States had its own, entirely indigenous jet engine program with a flying jet aircraft prototype, BUT, Whittle’s engine was superior, and tech exchange with The United Kingdom greatly aided the American effort, was in fact decisive. The UK jet engine was superior to the German, the UK had solved the metallurgy problem plaguing the fan, the Germans never did and hence German jet engines needed complete overhauls after a mere 8 hours operation time, often less, frequently ME-262s would limp home on one engine, the other having gone kaput. The essential innovation Bell Aircraft brought was placing the engine inside the fuselage behind the pilot with air intakes on either side of the nose, the configuration used by jet fighters today. The UK’s Meteor had many problems as a result of having the engines buried in the wing. The Bell Aircraft configuration allows the radar to be placed in the optimal location, the nose, and makes optimal use of the fuselage.

  176. Joe Wong says:
    @Biff

    You should stop using google translate. Google always gives ‘god-fearing’ morally defunct evil ‘puritan’ version of half baked Chinese look alike script.

  177. Daryl Morey has a God-given right to stupidly and needlessly criticize a major client. Try criticizing Israel for illegally keeping 1.8 million people in an open-air prison. Why is it Jews are allowed to criticize Israel but gentiles are not?

  178. That’s a gross over-simplification. The main aim of the British and French was to open China to normal trade; both governments frowned on the opium business. Opium had anyway been cultivated in China for centuries; most of the opium ever smoked in China was home-grown.

    Where did you gain this nugget of wisdom? From your history curriculum in England? And they are not biased at all, of course.

  179. Haha says:
    @RoatanBill

    “LGBTQLMNOP” ? Yee God, what on earth does that stand for? I know the LGBTQ part (though am not sure whether the ‘T’ stands for transgender or transsexual) but when did the other perversions and lunacies denoted by LMNOP arise? Will we soon need a brand new alphabet to keep pace with the different brands of lunacies?

    Re your perceptive comments on universities. Shut down most of them, I say. Most of them are catering to unbalanced people borrowing money to “study” fraudulent courses like gender studies. Normal people are done studying gender by the age of three: a look south of the navel and all is known about gender. Crooks, fools, and charlatans teaching fluff and nonsense to the retarded and the deviant – that is half of social “science” for you.

    • Replies: @Escher
  180. There will not be another Sputnik in America. We have been given the gift of diversity, there will be no uniting the country under any cause, ever again: 1/3 of our engineers are of East Asian descent, another 1/3 are Indian+Muslim, remaining 1/3 native whites, all working for the 2% Jews who are only loyal to their own bank accounts, and Israel.

  181. indocon says:

    Everyone keeps talking about technological edge, what is there is no edge to be had? I would make a claim that there has been no path breaking innovation since the development of mobile phone technology in the 1990s, Internet which everyone would claim to be a path breaking technology was actually developed in the 70s, in the 90s and beyond it finally made its way to everyone’s home. My definition of a path breaking technology is something that creates a brand new product or service which makes its way to every home and business, partially replaces something that is far inferior, in mobile phones case it wise pay phones. Can you think of anything similar that has come on stage since then?

    What everybody keeps referring to as pathbreaking technologies – AI, robotics, 3D printing, are all stories from 90s when I was a grad engineering student, they have been recycled for today’s hype by the Silicon Valley/Wall Street machine. There have been gradual improvements in their abilities or past decades, but they are nowhere near, I would dare say they never will be able to reach their full potential as hyped.

    So if there is no technological edge to be had, we are back to the pre-industrial age, it’s going to be all about security, borders, and trade.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
  182. David says:
    @Fred V. Reed

    In The Triumph of the West, a non-triumphal historical essay on the dominant influence of western culture worldwide, J. M. Roberts describes the Opium Wars as “among the most squalid episodes in the history of western imperialism, which contains a good many.”

    The Derb never answers valid criticism, though, so we’ll never know why he believes what he does. Like you.

  183. @eastkekestaniisawhiteguy

    Quite to the contrary, I enjoyed my time there. It’s not all good, and keeping my eyes open helped me notice the bad along with the good. Speaking with trusted Chinese people gave me insight into issues I could never learn as an outsider who doesn’t speak the language.

    Good:
    Lack of big cop presence (even as the streets were a freaking madhouse!)
    Respectful people.
    Robust economic activity – see “China vs. America and the local hardware store”.
    Amazing new infrastructure, especially in transportation.
    Fireworks, all over.

    Bad:
    Overcrowding – just general lack of space to get away from people.
    Orwellian stuff that’s worse than here (this is all very recent).
    Noise (not just that expected from a busy place, but loud, loud people).
    Rudeness (though I put “respectful” in the good area, it’s the lack of ability to form a line and that sort of thing.)
    Fireworks (when you don’t expect them!)

    I know, that’s just scratching the surface.

  184. A country that is secure in its self-image and soft power does not need to pull the kind of stunt the Chinese government does, like opening “Confucius Institute” in our universities, sending and paying for thousands of Chinese language teachers to teach Mandarin in our high schools. It also doesn’t need to buy off Hollywood to insert Chinese actors into every other movie, and make totally cringy movies like The Meg or The Great Wall. This all gives the impression of a sinister propaganda campaign to influence hearts and minds, and turns off those who might have had a neutral or favorable opinion of that country. The harder they try, the more we despise them.

    Please China, just stop, and go away. Stop swamping the west with your students, tourists, “investors”, tech workers, academics, businessmen, emigrants, Confucius Institute, Mandarin teachers, restaurants and their workers. Absence creates fondness of the heart. If we are not constantly forced to see another Chinese face and hear another Chinese word everywhere we turn, we might start to like you better. Until then, we just want you to GET THE HELL OUT.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  185. @PeterMX

    The YouTube videos you posted are total nazifanboi bunk. There are many exaggerated claims about ME-262(and Arado 234) performance capabilities. Top ranking SINGLE ENGINE fighters at battle weight(Spitfire/FW190D/P-51D) could make 440mph, and they regularly achieved this with high sortie rates. REALISTIC top speed for a battle weight ME-262 was 520mph, and it needed TWO ENGINES to achieve this BOTH operating optimally, which was rarely the case, and not for long. An 8hour service life of the fan was common(unlike the British, the Germans never solved the metallurgy problem with the fan). Besides the need for two jet engines to achieve performance, the ME-262 needed two because of in flight breakdowns, ME-262’s frequently limped home on one engine. Those cool looking swept wings of the ME-262 weren’t there because it needed them, but because it was first designed as a tail dragger, a very bad design decision with jets. The Germans made a rush job of reconfiguring for tricycle landing gear by sweeping the wing(the Germans called tricycle landing gear “the American affectation”).

    • Replies: @PeterMX
  186. @indocon

    Blue LEDs which makes possible the White LED. My 100W incandescent bulb has been replaced by 1 14W LED bulb. My old flashlights are now trash because of LEDs. It is rapidly replacing streets lights, traffic lights and signage.

    Literally changed how the world looks.

  187.  Will China perhaps, for example, crack the problems of quantum computing, suddenly making most of the world’s internet encryption systems obsolete?

    China’s quantum strategy is partly about becoming opaque to the NSA, GCHQ etc.

    China’s Quantum-Key Network, the Largest Ever, Is Officially Online.

  188. PeterMX says:
    @Sean

    Yeah, what a surprise. Another exaggerated propaganda piece about a patriot that inflicted a tiny fraction of the pain on the allies that they inflicted on Germany, when they, meaning Churchill, was the first to start targeting civilians, and then repeatedly did so in subsequent bomber attacks designed to make Hitler retaliate so Britain could propagandize the retaliation to bring the US into the war on their side. While Britain was targeting German civilians, Germany made repeated offers of peace talks and was only targeting miitary installations, until Churchill attacked German civilians one time too many.

    And your evidence of what von Brausn “wanted” is from a novel he wrote. Do you know what a novel is? It’s fiction. He was not a politcian and had no desire to be one and when that novel was written the “cold war” had its most intense moments.

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @onebornfree
  189. Sean says:
    @PeterMX

    Refighting WW2 is hardly going to help determine the future. Maybe you are a fatalist.

    • Replies: @PeterMX
  190. Agent76 says:

    Jan 3, 2019 ‘Dark side’ of the moon: China’s Chang’e 4 probe makes historic landing

    A Chinese spacecraft has made the first landing on the far side of the moon, touching down in the South Pole-Aitken basin.

    Oct 2, 2019 This Is China’s New Spacecraft to Take Astronauts to the Moon (Photos)

    The as-yet-unnamed craft could fly early next year. China is developing a next-generation spacecraft for human spaceflight that would allow astronauts to travel to the moon and other deep-space destinations.

    https://www.space.com/china-new-spacecraft-crewed-moon-missions.html

    • Replies: @onebornfree
  191. Agent76 says:

    July 19, 2019 Rocket Lab hits engine production milestone as next Electron launch approaches

    Rocket Lab passed a milestone in the production of its Electron rocket as the company gears up for its next launch and continues work on a new launch facility.

    https://spacenews.com/rocket-lab-hits-engine-production-milestone-as-next-electron-launch-

  192. Mj says:
    @Richard B

    Jews aren’t self-critical? Whence come the notion of the self-hating Jew? Can’t speak about Asians in general, but I find Koreans to be unusually self-critical.

    • Replies: @Richard B
  193. PeterMX says:
    @Sean

    The statement “Who Controls the Past Controls the Future” says you are wrong. Much of this website is revisionist history.

    • Replies: @Sean
  194. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Agent76

    After years of practice scrutinizing the obviously fake Apollo moon landing photos and footage, its fairly easy for me to see that the Chinese visual “evidence”of their own claimed moon landing is also entirely fraudulent.

    Another tin-foil decked model, complete with the usual various shadow”anomalies”, plus the ever present “no stars ever visible from moons surface ” special feature. 🙂

    And no one ever bothers to convincingly explain exactly how rockets can function in the vacuum of space.

    The Chinese moon landing = just another big government scam, just like all prior claimed moon landings,regardless of country of origin.

    Regards, onebornfree

  195. onebornfree says: • Website
    @PeterMX

    PeterMX says:“He was not a politcian and had no desire to be one”

    Debatable,to say the least,since he was a Nazi scientist who had his “bacon saved” ,along with [at the very least -I forget the actual total] , 3,000 other Nazis given new ID’s/citizenship and a new life in the US via the CIA’s Operation Paperclip.

    Don’t you think he’d be extremely inclined to do/say exactly anything his new political masters commanded of him ?

    If not, then you are more than a little naive, in my opinion.

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Replies: @onebornfree
    , @PeterMX
  196. Sean says:
    @PeterMX

    I was not entirely serious because you went way off topic, and it is the same old topic no matter what the post. For too many people here is all they ever think about fining some way of getting their pet subject into threads. That particular historical topic is controlling YOU. For example German Von Braun was introduced in a thread supposed by way of a connection with the analogy to a rocket race advanced by Derbyshire in the post. Yet the relevant WW2 theatre for what could be expected from or owed to China would be the Japan- China conflict. China in the Korean and Vietnamese wars might also have been discussed, but apparently we are back onto the same old argument again that has nothing to do with the post.

  197. PaulM says: • Website

    I love the ” The main aim of the British and French was to open China to normal trade; both governments frowned on the opium business. Opium had anyway been cultivated in China for centuries; most of the opium ever smoked in China was home-grown.”
    So clearly it was fine to militarily force the Chinese Emperor to open China’s borders to trade from the West -specifically opium. and then “negotiate ‘ the secession of the Hong Kong islands from China to facilitate that ‘normal trade’ with mainland China.
    And I love the bit about the Chinese selecting which bits of their history they like. Of course Americans don’t do that!- they know all about their 150 year history of genocide against foreign nations…..

  198. Rich says:
    @Antares

    Luckily we have you here to pretend you’re intelligent and straighten everyone out. You guys are Chicoms, and that’s bettert han the polite name for you. Actually, you’re murderous, mindless, commie scum that should have been taken care of by MacArthur. Keep preening, your day will come.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @d dan
    , @Achmed E. Newman
  199. Rich says:
    @foolisholdman

    Godfree Roberts? You’re joking, right? The guy is considered a Chicom asset by anyone but the most gullible reader. It’s a shame some of you are so easily gulled by these Red apparatchiks, but it’s always been this way. It’s the problem with democracy. But if your Chicoms do take over, we won’t have to worry about that, will we?

  200. Rich says:
    @yakushimaru

    Killing who? The red savages who were friendly to the colonists lived fine lives. Those that chose to fight, lost. That’s the way the world works. The hostile Indians committed far more atrocities than the colonists, and that’s what led to their demise. Hollywood movies and communist propaganda aren’t real history. I understand that it may be difficult to learn the truth, but that won’t change what actually happened. Would you Han rule China if not for wars? Is there any nation on earth that doesn’t exist at the expense of another?

  201. Agent76 says:
    @onebornfree

    Really? Wow! “We’ll know that our disinformation campaign has worked when everything the American public believes is false.” William Casey, Ronald Reagan’s CIA Director at his first staff meeting, 1981

    • Agree: DESERT FOX
  202. Ber says:
    @DESERT FOX

    Check out Common Core Education and how it dumb students down.

    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
  203. No worries. A million Chinese STEM graduates will be no match for our millions of new somalian and honduran doctors and scientists, plus our thousands of gender studies majors.

  204. @Wizard of Oz

    I am familiar with our ideals, which our media regularly use as propaganda. But I judge things by their outcomes.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  205. @Ber

    That was the point of the Dept of Education, to get the ZUS into the schools and dumb them down, makes it easier for the zionists to control the goyim.

  206. Lin says:
    @Richard B

    Besides, White men are the ONLY people in the world who have the capacity for self-criticism…….Asians won’t do it (especially the Chinese)

    You’re either ignorant of modern Chinese history or just grabbing a feel good fragile straw.
    The May4th movement which started exactly 100 yrs ago was a radical self-appraisal movement on Chinese civilization. The writer Lu Xun even called confucist morality as ‘cannibalism’.
    Guess what; Even ancient Chinese historians acknowledged that Confucius was a bastard/illegit while your average yankee pastors tell you Jesus is the only begotten Son of God.

  207. FB says: • Website
    @Rich

    Those stories about genocide and smallpox blankets are myths

    Out of our regard to them we gave them two Blankets and an Handkerchief out of the Small Pox Hospital. I hope it will have the desired effect.

    — William Trent, William Trent’s Journal at Fort Pitt

    You are really quite the imbecile…not only weak, spineless and lacking moral fiber to face reality…but too stupid and lacking initiative to try to educate yourself and find actual truths about things you don’t know about…[which would be just about everything under the sun…]

    • Replies: @Rich
  208. d dan says:
    @Rich

    “…commie scum that should have been taken care of by MacArthur. ”

    LOL. The arrogant and incompetent MacArthur was probably the best “gift” for “Chicom”. Despite having total control of the air and the sea, and the best equipment in the world, MacArthur oversaw one of the, if not THE greatest defeat in American history. If he would to stay longer, more Americans would have been killed or captured.

    • Replies: @Rich
  209. FB says: • Website
    @unit472

    …do you want to be a billionaire who can be arrested and your fortune confiscated…

    Wow…congratulations…you’ve just been declared the most retarded person in the known universe…

    I’m sure King Bezos and the rest of the billionaire crowd appreciate your caring about their welfare…heaven help us if anything were to happen to our cherished plutocrats…

    Then where would we be…?

  210. Anon[326] • Disclaimer says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    LOL, China would still be picking Japanese shit out of its hair if it wasn’t for the U.S.

    They’ve been lying to you about China for 80 years

    Indeed – our media are 100% globalist and have been for decades, so they’ve been writing fairy tales about how China is just a big old Disneyland ride with chopsticks and pandas, and we should all be thrilled when another factory gets sent over there.

    China stole all the plans and it still can’t make a jet engine that doesn’t eat itself up in a month. Once they’ve mastered that technology from 1950, then maybe they can try quantum computing.

  211. @onebornfree

    We may be entering a New Age where ten different countries complete in moon landing and Mars landing scams.

    Currently the US has the clear edge–but the other countries are trying harder!

    Social credit systems and censorship encourage governments to fake stuff–true whistleblowers will be attacked as conspiracy theorists, then bankrupted if necessary, convicted of crimes if that does not work, and finally executed if they still don’t get the message.

    If .gov and its mass media lapdogs say it is true, it is true, citizen. Don’t even think about thinking about any other possibility.

    (The new technology that could really change the world would be nanotechnology “everything machines” that could be in every home and create anything out of household garbage using software and nanobots. Since that would bankrupt every major corporation in the world it probably would never see the light of day even if it were technically feasible.)

  212. “When an authoritarian government has monopoly control of education and the media, it can shape the facts to direct people’s feelings in desired directions.”

    Hey Pat, you ought to apply that principle to the US.

    This reminds me of an old saying. It goes like this: Don’t tell your neighbor to clean up his house when the house you live in is filthy. Clean up your own house yankee!

  213. Rich says:
    @d dan

    You commies invaded the South hoping to put the entire Korean peninsula under the communist boot. You failed. What we see now is peace and prosperity in the South, suffering and deprivation in the North under your people. If any evidence is needed to show the stark difference between what happens to American allies and what happens to Chicom allies, Korea is it.

  214. @Anon

    China stole all the plans and it still can’t make a jet engine that doesn’t eat itself up in a month? Apart from your unsupported allegation, you misunderstand China’s relationship to advanced technology. They are the world’s leading engineers so, when they set out to master a new technology, they always aim to produce something better than the current state of the art. Huawei did precisely that, and so did Shenyang Engine Company when it decided to make jet fighter engines.

    Some background: Pratt & Whitney and General Electric spent more than 12 years developing prototypes of the F119 engine in the 1980s, followed by another 14 years of testing after the engine’s maiden flight, fitted to an F-22, in September 1997. Here are the outputs for some popular engines:

    Pratt & Whitney F119 91kN
    GE F-15K. 131kN
    Izdeliye-30. 123 kN (27,600 lb) with afterburning in the AL-31F, 137 kN (30,800 lb) in the AL-31FM (AL-35F) and 145 kN (32,000 lb) in the AL-37FU variants. Currently it powers all Su-27 derivatives and the Chengdu J-10 multirole jet fighter which has been developed by China
    Shenyang WS-10. 140 kN
    P&W J58 (SR-71 Blackbird). 150kN
    The Shenyang WS-15, 160kN, is now in series production.

    Once they’ve mastered that technology from 1950, then maybe they can try quantum computing.? China is the only country with working quantum technology and is neck-and-neck in quantum hardware and software.

    China’s Quantum-Key Network, the Largest Ever, Is Officially Online
    By Rafi Letzter January 19, 2018. Space.

    A figure from the letter shows how the Micius satellite transfers quantum keys across vast distances.A figure from the letter shows how the Micius satellite transfers quantum keys across vast distances.
    China has the quantum technology to perfectly encrypt useful signals over distances far vaster than anyone has ever accomplished, spanning Europe and Asia, according to a stunning new research letter.

    Bits of information, or signals, pass through people’s houses, the skies overhead and the flesh of human bodies every second of every day. They’re television signals and radio, as well as private phone calls and data files.

    Some of these signals are public, but most are private — encrypted with long strings of numbers known (presumably) only to the senders and receivers. Those keys are powerful enough to keep the secrets of modern society: flirty text messages, bank-account numbers and the passwords to covert databases. But they’re brittle. A sufficiently determined person, wielding a sufficiently powerful computer, could break them.

    “Historically, every advance in cryptography has been defeated by advances in cracking technology,” Jian-Wei Pan, a researcher at the University of Science and Technology of China and author on this research letter, wrote in an email. “Quantum key distribution ends this battle.”

    Google these headlines:
    How China became a subatomic superpower with quantum technology
    The quantum revolution is coming, and Chinese scientists are at the forefront
    China’s drive to dominate a field with big economic and military applications outpaces some U.S. strides

    • LOL: FB
    • Replies: @FB
  215. Biff says:
    @onebornfree

    But idiots and economic illiterates like Xi are incapable of understanding that [or they just don’t care,as long as they can continue to “legally” loot the general population and remain rich by so doing].

    I wonder what standards morons like you have when it comes to government “looting”?
    Fact: The U.S. government is the largest government in the history of mankind – per capita it is probably ten times the size of the Chinese government which means it needs to “loot” about ten times the amount out of the average citizen just to keep it running – this doesn’t happen without means of repression – the IRS is an international pharaoh with a constantly unsated maw.
    When it comes to money, power, and size, China has a long way to go to catch up with the big Daddy government of them all.

    • Replies: @onebornfree
  216. Realist says:
    @foolisholdman

    Does anyone buy it?

    I believe many people buy the concept that China bad, Iran bad, Syria bad and Russia bad (although Carlson doesn’t preach that), but US and Israel good
    Carlson has also stated that China kills government opponents and sells their organs. I found a number of articles stating as much, but none had citations or references…no proof. The US needs a boogeyman to justify the exorbitant offense budget…China and a few others fill that need.

  217. ‘…But what makes it double annoying is that it’s always the same message, in sports or showbiz: a message of virtuous compliance with progressive orthodoxy…’

    Indeed. It gets to the point where one actually feels like applauding if some nitwit owner says something tactless, offensive — and honest.

  218. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Antares

    No person in his (or her) right mind uses the term ChiCom. And why capitalised, it’s not written in BASIC or C++. It reveals the complete idiot who still thinks according to the decades long American brainwashing process that leads to simplified thinking on complex matters.

    UR attracts a lot of ageing Cold Warriors who are still obsessed with searching for commies under the bed. They still think it’s the 1950s. Everything is a communist conspiracy. You can’t reason with them.

    • Replies: @Anon
  219. ‘… As a footnote to that I’ll just mention this BBC News report from October 5th: China and Taiwan clash over Wikipedia edits. Yep, the ChiComs are manipulating Wikipedia. The BBC investigators found almost 1,600 tendentious edits across 22 politically sensitive articles relating to China…’

    So what happens when China and Israel disagree about what the contents of a Wikipedia page should be?

    • LOL: Talha
  220. I think what needs to be accepted is that the last three hundred years — when China wasn’t a major center of civilization — were a blip.

    China’s back. It’s going to be a big player. It’s got a fifth of the world’s people, half the smart ones, and it’s reasonably functional.

    We need to come to terms with that. Decide how we’re going to respond — not go into frigging denial about it.

    …ironically, that last is exactly the mistake the Chinese themselves made two hundred-odd years ago. When the West popped up, aggressive, confident, and obviously very advanced, they just went into denial about it all.

    So we can repeat their error, or we can try to do better.

    • Agree: Wizard of Oz
    • Replies: @Talha
  221. @Anon

    LOL, China would still be picking Japanese shit out of its hair if it wasn’t for the U.S.

    Well, if that’s your preferred way of describing the victims of WW2 Japanese atrocities, I would like to remind you that the Japanese also shitted in the hairs of Americans.

    China stole all the plans and it still can’t make a jet engine that doesn’t eat itself up in a month. Once they’ve mastered that technology from 1950, then maybe they can try quantum computing.

    While nobody has succeeded in building a practical quantum computer, China is indeed building ultra-secure, virtually unbreakable, quantum communication networks.

  222. What about North Korea’s ‘Sputnik’ moment?

    The other North Korean threat
    The rogue nation’s satellites could be equipped to deliver an EMP attack

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/aug/15/north-korean-threat-also-includes-satellites-with-/

    Two Russian generals warned the EMP Commission in 2004 that Russia’s super-EMP warhead design was transferred accidentally to North Korea.

    North Korea’s KMS-3 and KMS-4 satellites were launched to the south on polar trajectories and passed over the United States on their first orbit. The south polar trajectory evades U.S. ballistic missile early-warning radars and national missile defenses, making the satellites resemble a Russian secret weapon developed during the Cold War called the Fractional Orbital Bombardment System (FOBS) that would have used a nuclear-armed satellite to make a surprise EMP attack.

  223. dfordoom says: • Website
    @foolisholdman

    Oh! That’s OK then! Of course it is OK to force countries to engage in normal trade by killing about 10 million of them (in one war) and looting the country. No problem there!

    It’s foolish to to think that everything about the West is wrong and evil. But it’s equally foolish to deny that the West really has done some terrible things – terrible things to itself and to the rest of the world. European colonialism was a pretty shameful episode. European colonialists were not all monsters but many really were cynical, greedy, arrogant and stupid.

    To the western powers “opening up” China meant giving themselves carte blanche to loot the country.

    The behaviour of the British towards China in the 19th century was appalling. The most extraordinary thing about the Chinese is that they don’t hate the West a lot more than they do.

  224. Escher says:
    @Rich

    Agreed. If a rich man’s descendants fritter away their legacy, the family will revert to the mean (or lower), balancing things out in the long term.
    What we have right now though, is a system where the odds are stacked against capable people without means. Their access to opportunities is hindered from both ends, by affirmative action and the crony system.

  225. Escher says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Which line? There’s quite a few.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  226. Escher says:
    @Haha

    Normal people are done studying gender by the age of three: a look south of the navel and all is known about gender.

    Hilarious! One of the best rejoinders I have read to the current insanity.

  227. Escher says:
    @RoatanBill

    May be a bit late for this. I have met and worked with recent STEM graduates from top US universities, and they are well indoctrinated in SJW ideology.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  228. @Technomad

    It would be another cakewalk, right?

  229. FB says: • Website
    @Godfree Roberts

    China has the quantum technology to perfectly encrypt useful signals over distances far vaster than anyone has ever accomplished, spanning Europe and Asia…

    Or you can just look up Quantum Experiments at Space Scale

    QUESS itself has limited communication capabilities: it needs line-of-sight, and can only operate when not in sunlight.

    Ie another Chinese science project…just like its ‘jet engines’…

    And now the rest of the story…First the J11 fighter aircraft…

    The J-11 was finally born in 1998 as a Chinese version of the Soviet-designed Sukhoi Su-27SK air superiority fighter after China secured a $US2.5 billion production agreement which licensed China to build 200 Su-27SK aircraft using Russian-supplied kits.

    But after building 100 of them…China scrapped their side of the bargain…and just started knocking off their own clones…

    After not being able to reverse engineer the Russian engines, China has had to start buying the Russian engines again…which are in fact fitted to most of its combat aircraft…including its new J20 ‘stealth’ aircraft…

    They also built a Flanker knock off for their aircraft carrier…the J15…

    In September 2013, the Beijing-based Sina Military Network (SMN) criticized the capabilities of the J-15 as nothing more than a “flopping fish” incapable of flying from the Liaoning with heavy weapons, “effectively crippling its attack range and firepower,” an unusual move as it contradicted state-owned media reports praising the fighter.

    • Replies: @last straw
    , @Bombercommand
  230. Anon[405] • Disclaimer says:
    @dfordoom

    Wait, I’m still trying to order my Beijing Duck at the luch counter here in Yangon. Is that other place Bangalore or Bengaluru this week?

  231. Talha says:
    @Colin Wright

    As usual, you and dfordoom are making some solid points; much obliged.

    Peace.

  232. Seraphim says:

    A friend of mine told me a Greek proverb: ‘stupid is not the one who eats five pita, but the one who gave them to him’.

  233. @Escher

    People with the intelligence and motivation to go through a STEM program as opposed to basket weaving, have critical thinking abilities that will eventually kick in once the real world is encountered. Engineers run on facts, truths and empirical evidence as is their training. These are practical people.

    That’s assuming that STEM is as I remember it decades ago. They might be more easily persuaded to accept nonsense that the older generation would immediately reject, but life is incompatible with SJW theory in the long run. Illogic is not tolerated for long as the mind keeps evaluating it and eventually rejects it once the flaw is discovered. Engineers and practical science people built the world we live in and that didn’t happen through the acceptance of impossible to prove nonsense.

  234. Richard B says:
    @Mj

    I’m not talking about individual people. I’m talking about them as a people.

    The only group to ever allow their authority to be criticized is White men.

    To the extent the Japanese and South Koreans allow it that is something that only started after WWII and their model is that of White men.

    Regarding your example. When it comes to self-hating Jews and Jewish Supremacy Inc. who has more power?

  235. dfordoom says: • Website
    @foolisholdman

    Here is a US commentator who says nothing about the Palestinians or the 500,000 children that were murdered by sanctions on Iraq. Which according to SoS Madeline Albright was “Worth it.” (Sic!) Has nothing to say about the millions of other Muslims that the USA has murdered and continues to murder daily

    When the U.S. commits mass murder it isn’t really mass murder. It’s just the price that has to be paid for freedom and democracy. It’s only mass murder when the bad guys do it.

  236. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Talha

    This one seems to me to be the most interesting one – especially given what the state power was capable of doing in order to control the population and bring it from growing. Is this something they can pull up from a terminal nosedive?

    I’m not convinced it can be done. But I do think that if any nation can solve the problem of cratering demographics it will be China. If they decide it’s important enough they’ll take whatever steps they deem necessary.

    Of course it’s possible that automation/robotics will make a demographic decline survivable. That’s probably not possible in the West because the West is so locked in to the idea that markets must keep expanding, that profits must keep increasing. In the West demographic decline is very likely to lead to economic collapse. The Chinese are more flexible. If a particular economic model no longer seems to be working for them, they they adopt a new one.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Colin Wright
  237. @Tired of Not Winning

    Please China, just stop, and go away. Stop swamping the west with your students, tourists, “investors”, tech workers, academics, businessmen, emigrants, Confucius Institute, Mandarin teachers, restaurants and their workers.

    You bring up a good point, ToNW, that nobody else on this thread has. I have seen all of this. I get along OK with all of these people, but it sure seems like they are here in larger numbers than most of us are ready to deal with and all these various walks of life that are really not their business. On that last item, the restaurant workers are mostly illegal alien Chinese – see “The China to King Buffet pipeline”.

  238. Talha says:
    @dfordoom

    I have the same sentiments as you; I really don’t think it can be pulled off in an advanced post-industrial society* – at least it hasn’t been yet. But I agree, if anyone is willing to force it to happen no matter what the cost – China will be able to pull it off. Though I must admit, North Korean TFR doesn’t give me a massive amount of confidence.

    Peace.

    *The answer to the Fermi Paradox perhaps; advanced intergalactic civilizations pozzed themselves into irrelevance?

  239. @Escher

    “What do you know about surfing, son? You’re from GD New Jersey!”

    • Replies: @Escher
  240. @FB

    Or you can just look up Quantum Experiments at Space Scale

    Ie another Chinese science project…just like its ‘jet engines’…

    This is cutting-edge stuff that Russia can only dream of, some kinks still need to be worked out, no surprise here. China is also working on land-based quantum communication networks.

    After not being able to reverse engineer the Russian engines, China has had to start buying the Russian engines again…which are in fact fitted to most of its combat aircraft…including its new J20 ‘stealth’ aircraft…

    China’s own WS-10 engine for their fighter jets has already entered service. They are developing more variants of it and the WS-15 with higher thrust. They will get there in a few years.

    They also built a Flanker knock off for their aircraft carrier…the J15…

    The problem will be solved when China’s CATOBAR aircraft carrier enters service in the next 5 years.

    • Replies: @FB
  241. ivan says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Reality is too hard to bear, either through wretched working days or mind-numbing boredom. We take the poison as it comes. But demon gin apart from anything else must be one of the most horrible drinks around.

  242. ivan says:
    @d dan

    Keep fooling yourself that China was a sort paradise before the white man arrived. Every manner of addiction, perversion, racism and sadism was available to the Chinese long before the white man took on the guilt of others.

    • Replies: @Poctakingover
  243. @FB

    To be entirely fair on the J-15/Liaoning fiasco, my understanding is Variag was designed to deploy the carrier based version of the Mig-29, a much lighter aircraft than the Su-33. Liaoning is the rebuilt Variag. The J-15 is merely a ripoff of the Su-33(China bought one S-33 from the sleazy Ukrainians). Liaoning is useful to train ship crew, and for pilots to practice carrier landing, but a very expensive way to do that, and it will never be a working warship or even useful to practice carrier operations. What perplexes me is why build Shandong? Is China planning to tear out the ski jump bow of both Liaoning and Shandong and rebuild both bows much larger to accomodate catapults, and why not do that from the start? Is that even possible without wrecking the balance of the ships? The whole affair is so screwy I have to ask myself am I missing something here? I consider China presently to have zero aircraft carriers with one under construction. I assume the new hull will be sized for the J-15.

    • Replies: @FB
    , @d dan
  244. Could someone please source derb’s claim that most opium used by the Chinese were home grown? This would be very interesting.

    Or was that a blatant attempt at white washing by an old, scared, racist brit?

    • Replies: @res
    , @Wizard of Oz
  245. @Godfree Roberts

    I’m not sure what you mean by “our”. Happily I haven’t had to experience “outcomes” recently, or indeed earlier than recently. Have you?

    Do I detect a certain disgruntlement with (one of) the US court systems that didn’t favour tour business enterprise?

    Principally, however, you miss the point that independence of the judiciary is about the immunity from charge of those who make errors subject to the right of appeal which is to a court that is totally independent, even if bloody minded. . Of course there are many problems in the way of doing justice such as superior resources for lawfare. But that is a different point.

  246. Just read the Buchanan article, holy shit, even he is just another stooge in this trade war with China happily peddling the same shit.

    Propaganda galore.

    🤑

  247. @dfordoom

    ‘I’m not convinced it can be done…’

    The Nazis managed to increase the total fertility rate in Germany from 1.58 in 1933 to 2.40 in 1940. That’s a fifty percent increase in seven years.

  248. @TKK

    An estimated 150,000,000 Chinese travel abroad yearly, how may of them never return?

    • Replies: @Biff
  249. @Wizard of Oz

    The idea of ‘independence’ is part of our heritage of Greco Roman individualism and, within that system, works ok.

    The idea of interdependence is part of their Taoist-Confucian heritage of communalism and, within that well-established system, works ok too.

    Our propaganda apparatus deliberately elides this distinction in order to denigrate China’s system but the chinese trust it twice as much as we trust ours.

  250. @Wizard of Oz

    “ Happily I haven’t had to experience “outcomes” recently, or indeed earlier than recently. Have you?”

    We are discussing/comparing the experiences of billions of people here yet you always revert to the personal, usually in the form of ad hominems.

    Try to focus on the big picture, use survey data and trends over time. Personal anecdotes are amusing but irrelevant in this context.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  251. Biff says:
    @Daniel Rich

    An estimated 150,000,000 Chinese travel abroad yearly, how may of them never return?

    May depend on how many were on a 737 max 8….

  252. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Biff

    Biff says: “Fact: The U.S. government is the largest government in the history of mankind – per capita it is probably ten times the size of the Chinese government which means it needs to “loot” about ten times the amount out of the average citizen just to keep it running – this doesn’t happen without means of repression – the IRS is an international pharaoh with a constantly unsated maw…”

    This just in:

    I support no governments, anywhere , including the unconstitutional US government and its unconstitutional income tax.

    This also just in:

    “Because they are all ultimately funded via both direct and indirect theft [taxes], and counterfeiting [via central bank monopolies], all governments are essentially, at their very cores, 100% corrupt criminal scams which cannot be “reformed”,”improved”, nor “limited” in scope, simply because of their innate criminal nature.” onebornfree

    “Taking the State wherever found, striking into its history at any point, one sees no way to differentiate the activities of its founders, administrators and beneficiaries from those of a professional-criminal class.” Albert J. Nock

    “Government is a disease masquerading as its own cure” Robert LeFevere

    “Why should any self-respecting citizen endorse an institution grounded on thievery? For that is what one does when one votes. If it be argued that we must let bygones be bygones, see what can be done toward cleaning up the institution of the State so that it might be useful in the maintenance of orderly existence, the answer is that it cannot be done; you cannot clean up a brothel and yet leave the business intact. We have been voting for one “good government” after another, and what have we got?” Frank Chodorov, Out of Step (1962)

    Regards, onebornfree

  253. onebornfree says: • Website
    @onebornfree

    onebornfreesays: “….. the Chinese economy, [aka”the Chinese Miracle”] is most likely now in free-fall, and may well fully collapse in the near future. [i.e. 1 to 10years], although nothing is written in stone.”

    Here we go:

    World Stocks Drop, Futures Tread Water After China Reports Worst GDP Growth In 30 Years
    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/world-stocks-drop-futures-tread-water-after-china-reports-worst-gdp-growth-30-years

    Also:

    Panic Behind The Scenes: China’s Capital Outflows Are Soaring:
    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/panic-behind-scenes-chinas-capital-outflows-are-soaring

    Shanghai Housing Sales Plunge 86% In Golden Week:
    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/shanghai-housing-sales-plunge-86-golden-week

    “Worst Slump In A Generation”: China Auto Sales Continue Historic Collapse:
    https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/worst-slump-generation-china-auto-sales-continue-historic-collapse

    regards, onebornfree

  254. @Godfree Roberts

    You can’t weasel out of it. You said you judged by outcomes. What outcomes?

    I am unimpressed with outcomes which are your question begging assertions about satisfaction by billions who have no idea of the alternatives.

    (I am sorry if I wrongly though you were reacting to personal disappointment but now you have the chance to correct that natural enough guess).

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  255. @Godfree Roberts

    Absurd. Relative trust is no criterion if there is no proper conception of the alternative. Indeed lack of trust may be a measure of the high standards from which the actual practice is thought to fall short. Not that I would put undue emphasis on that because there is so much ignorance of America’s complex systems of justice.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  256. @Godfree Roberts

    Have you any stats about the choices of jurisdiction made by litigants free to choose Hong Kong or UK jurisdiction or CCP? And can you point to any choice of Chinese jurisdiction for arbitration or mediation? No? I wonder why?

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  257. Smith says:

    America brings this to themselves, by allowing chinks to buy up american corporations.

    They have only themselves to blame here.

    But incident like this is good, we know where the traitors are, just ask what they think of China and Hong Kong. You know shills like Godfree, d dan, biff, denk and the likes wouldn’t like it if some chinese big corporations like Tencent and Huawei praise USA and trash China.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  258. @Wizard of Oz

    The outcomes are trust in and approval of the legal system, incarcerations and recidivism.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  259. @Wizard of Oz

    “Relative trust is no criterion if there is no proper conception of the alternative.”

    And if there is a proper conception of the alternative?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  260. @Wizard of Oz

    In civil cases, yes. Qualcomm and Apple, for example, chose Beijing as the venue for their biggest IP case.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  261. Realist says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Whatever, Peking is the name, and I’m stickin’ to it.

    Then petulance it is.

  262. onebornfree says: • Website
    @onebornfree

    onebornfree says : “..he was a Nazi scientist who had his “bacon saved” ,along with [at the very least -I forget the actual total] , 3,000 other Nazis given new ID’s/citizenship and a new life in the US via the CIA’s Operation Paperclip. “

    The great Tom Lehrer on Werner Von Braun:

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Replies: @PeterMX
  263. @Rich

    Excuse me, my AGREE was in reference to the Commie scum Chinese, including the low-paid hired agit-propers commenting here, not most Chinese people, by any means. I like the Chinese people, as a general rule.

    • Replies: @Rich
  264. FB says: • Website
    @Bombercommand

    The Su33 works just fine on the Kuznetsov carrier of the same class…the MiG is lighter but also much smaller wing and probably a lower thrust to weight ratio…takeoff performance is mostly a function of wing loading [weight divided by wing area] and thrust…so Su33 works just fine…

    The problem is that Chinese knockoffs are almost never as good as what they are copying…as anyone who has bought anything on Amazon or ebay knows…

    Should also mention here that they are trying to buy the Ukrainian jet engine make Motor Sich…but the US is trying to block it…

    Now if you are a complete layman in aeronautical engineering like Mr Roberts, you would naturally make the connection that a country that already has achieved the capability to make good jet engines would have no need to acquire a Ukrainian company that is probably in bad shape…why is GE or Pratt or Rolls or France’s SNECMA not trying to acquire Motor Sich…?

    Surely if there was anything to be gained they would do that…as GE did by acquiring the Czech Walter engine company…

    If you had rational thinking capability this latest move by China also indicates where there engine technology is at…has Motor Sich actually advanced its engine tech since the Soviet days…maybe by a small increment…since even the Russians have long been hedging their bets on Ukrainian military tech…

    Now the Chinese actually are capable of making decent stuff…and they are making progress…but like I said on the other thread they have a long long way to go…they are right now non-entities in the crucial aerospace technology field…

    • Replies: @Smith
    , @Bombercommand
    , @Biff
  265. @Godfree Roberts

    Listen, Godfree, some of your statements on China are such BS, that just the premises alone would take dozens of posts to explain the stupidity of.

    However, you got me on this Chinese trusting society bit. I give! I will have to write back. From my quick reading of your own site, you lived in America for some time (Massachusetts, right?) In the 1970s, even in Massachusetts, there was so much trust in American society that people left their car and house doors unlocked – I can remember a number of times helping someone who’d left his headlights on in a parking lot out by just opening the door and pushing the knob in. Do you not remember this?

    Meanwhile in modern China, there is so much demand for burglar bars that there are loads of shops tack-welding them out on the sidewalk, as their in-store “factories” are full. (Mind you, I respect the industriousness of it and lack of OSHA very much!) Well, as Peak Stupidity quipped about in “Cat burglars and entrepreneurship in China”, once the 2nd-story residents get THEIR burglar bars, then the 3rd story must get theirs, as your average Chinaman thief can climb right up ’em compared to your average lazy-ass American “teen”. It’s a vicious cycle.

    One could go back to 1970s and see that in much of China, one didn’t lock his doors either. Why? There were no cars with doors to lock, first of all. Secondly, per my close Chinese source, people were too poor to have anything worth stealing! About the only thing that went missing (more than once) was the house cat, and I really doubt you’d have found him in a shelter – more likely in a stew.

    • Replies: @Lin
    , @Seraphim
  266. @Realist

    I noted this under Mr. Derbyshire’s previous post, but if you fly to the capital city of China, make sure your tag says PEK. If it says BEJ, then good luck recovering your socks, underwear and containers of baby formula, as it’s probably all been divied up by a bunch of Wigger minorities that bought it for 2 Yuan at auction, sight unseen.

    No, I DIDN’T feel like looking up the real spelling of Wiggers? Petulant enough for ya’?

    • Replies: @Realist
  267. Realist says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    No, I DIDN’T feel like looking up the real spelling of Wiggers? Petulant enough for ya’?

    Certainly silly enough.

  268. @Wizard of Oz

    The Christian Powers sided with the Ching Dynasty against the Taipings and that war killed something like 10 million. If the Christians had stayed out of it or sided with the Taipings, (who were sort of Christians) the war would have been over quite quickly and modern China might well have arrived a hundred or more years earlier.

  269. Smith says:
    @FB

    Oh FB, if I’m the Prime Minister of Vietnam, I would immediately hire you and a team of Houthi with attitude to start teaching us how to make $200.000 cruise missile to sink chink ships.

    We might disagree in worldview and politics but goddamn cheap missiles are things we can agree on.

    • Replies: @FB
  270. @onebornfree

    And no one ever bothers to convincingly explain exactly how rockets can function in the vacuum of space.

    Are you joking?
    Assuming that you aren’t; rockets work in space in the same way as they do in the atmosphere.
    The principle involved is the Newtonian idea that action and reaction are equal and opposite. A rocket squirts stuff out of its backside and to do so it has to accelerate the squirted stuff in the backwards direction. This requires a force to be exerted on the stuff which is ejected and that requires an equal and opposite force to be exerted which pushes the rest of the rocket forwards.

    Rockets do NOT work by pushing on the atmosphere!

    • Replies: @FB
    , @onebornfree
  271. FB says: • Website
    @last straw

    This is cutting-edge stuff that Russia can only dream of…

    Is that right little tree monkey…?

    So I guess there is no need then for Russia to help build an early warning system for China…?

    Why don’t you call president Putin and tell him he can call off this project…?

    Maybe you can even offer to help the Russians improve their own early warning system, since China now has ‘technology’ that the Russians ‘can only dream of’…

    Btw…since you know so much about this technology…why don’t you go ahead and explain to us how it actually works…?

    I’m sure this would be very useful information to readers here who can benefit from your tree monkey ‘expertise’…

    No…?

    Well tell you what little twerp…that silly Chinese sat uses a very low power laser to transmit signals to an earth station…

    Since the Chinese are so far ahead of Russia in lasers maybe you can tell us about the Chinese equivalent of the Peresvet combat laser system…

    Btw…you will note here that there is some basic information about lasers…which is well known to every qualified engineer and scientist…

    Namely the propagation of lasers through a medium such as air [the atmosphere] is adversely affected by even minute changes in temperature…cloud cover, rain, fog and snow etc…make a laser useless…

    Moreover…if you actually knew anything about satellite orbits you would understand that this science project ‘Micius’ satellite is in a polar orbit…ie the globe circles underneath as it flies from pole to pole…

    Since lasers work by line of sight [look it up] this means that the sat will only be within reach of any given place on earth for a short time window…and only periodically…

    Not only that, but it can only work at night…

    So really what can you actually do with this thing…?

    Basically, it’s a means of encrypting by way of quantum physics…a technology which has been around for decades…see Quantum Cryptography…

    There is nothing new or earth shattering about this…simply putting a low power laser on a satellite and transmitting quantum encryption is just putting together pieces that have existed for decades…

    Also keep in mind the ultimate use of such a thing…it’s encryption…nothing more than that…

    It’s not a rocket engine, or a jet engine which are the kinds of POWERFUL technologies that China really needs to catch up with technologically advanced countries…

    Quantum encryption is not going to do anything for China’s ambition to put a man on the moon…which, considering that it is yet to catch up in rocket technology to where Russia was 55 years ago…is quite a tall order to say the least…

    Anyway…don’t waste my or other people’s time here…

    I suggest you learn some respect as a good first step…

    • Replies: @last straw
  272. FB says: • Website
    @Smith

    Thanks…glad you got some useful info out of my analysis of the Houthi Quds-1 cruise misisile…the work is still ongoing…

  273. d dan says:
    @Bombercommand

    “Liaoning … will never be a working warship or even useful to practice carrier operations. What perplexes me is why build Shandong? “

    You are thinking too much from US point of view. China will never be interested in a Midway style of carrier war with America. Liaoning and Shandong will probably be useful to protect China’s interests if there is a color revolution in Maldive or Fiji, for example.

  274. One thing is fore sure.The parasite won be able to jump from the usa to china,as they dit from England to the usa.
    They will find out that their success in taken control of the anglo-saxon world was no due all because of their smartness but rather by the superlative naivety of the american people.
    In the Chinese world they wont have the printing press,the compound interest and the power that comes with it.
    Power to corrupt and purchase everything with our own money.

  275. @FB

    Thanks for that FB. Then I was missing something, something really big, and the Chinese naval aviation program is a much worse mess than I imagined.

    • Replies: @last straw
  276. FB says: • Website
    @foolisholdman

    [This isn’t a “meme” forum. Comments with stupid image-memes are much less likely to be published.]

    And no one ever bothers to convincingly explain exactly how rockets can function in the vacuum of space.

    Are you joking?

    Wow…thanks for catching this…

    There is a reason they call him ‘onebornfree’…he was born free of the encumbrance of a functional brain…

    It’s called anencephaly

    [MORE]

    Artist’s rendering of UNZ ‘contributor’ ‘onebornfree’

  277. @FB

    I highly doubt the early warning system is a one-way street. I think Russia and China will help each other to build a improved, integrated, system, which will be better than two independent systems.

    • Replies: @FB
  278. @Bombercommand

    Thanks for that FB. Then I was missing something, something really big, and the Chinese naval aviation program is a much worse mess than I imagined.

    The two aircraft carriers China has are perfectly functional. J-15 is still a formidable fighter for fleet air-defense, even if it cannot take a full load of fuel and anti-ship load when taking off from these 2 carriers. In comparison, the Russian Su-33 cannot take off with a full load of fuel and weapons from this kind of aircraft carriers either.

    China is also developing the smaller and lighter J-31, a likely carrier-based, 5th gen., stealthy, naval fighter, for the Navy in the future. Finally, China’s 3rd, CATOBAR carrier is under construction. Once that enters service in the next 4-5 years, the J-15 can take a full load of fuel and weapons and take off from it.

    China’s naval aviation will overtake Russia’s in the next 5 years.

  279. onebornfree says: • Website
    @foolisholdman

    foolisholdman says:”Rockets do NOT work by pushing on the atmosphere!”

    Yeah, right, whatever you and your NASA overlords say 🙂

    “Regards” onebornfree

  280. FB says: • Website
    @last straw

    Right then…

    What exactly is China gong to contribute…the technology it has copied/stolen from Russia…?

    Or the technology it has copied/stolen from the US…?

    Btw…I especially like this part…

    I highly doubt…

    And of course…you being a highly qualified expert among tree monkeys, your personal opinion is worth about what…a piece of flung dung…?

    Get real clown and stop wasting EVERYBODY’S time here…you’ve exceeded your bandwidth limit here by several orders of magnitude…

    • Replies: @last straw
  281. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Steve2

    I watched wholesale offshoring of engineering and manufacturing to India China and Mexico from the US. This was in the automotive industry.

    Native born tech workers have been replaced by H1-B Indians and Chinese. Universities train foreign tech/future innovators here. The work is then offshored.

    Which means that the most able young people in America have minimal incentive to pursue advanced education in the tech sector, which in turn, means America has an ever diminishing capacity to respond to the inevitable new “Sputnik Moment,” and indeed a whole series of them.

    Moreover, the virtual abandonment of rationality, discipline and meritocratic competition in school means that America has few natives who are both bright and qualified to enter into advanced education in STEM fields.

    All empires die. The US Empire is dying faster than most. The process has no doubt been hastened by the globalist elite — the Rockefellers, the Neocons, the global corporations, and their corrupt flunkies in the media, academia and the bureaucracy. Their goal is to replace the power of nation states by the power of global corporations, dynamic elements of the billionaire class, and globalist institutions such as the UN, WTO, the Bank for International Settlement, etc.

    The key to the success of the globalist mission thus depends on the adoption by China of the globalist religion of Political Correctness, with its commitment to racial self-hatred, love (fake obviously) of the other, and a contempt for meritocracy.

    • Replies: @FB
  282. res says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    I was not able to find any support for that claim. And would also like to see some evidence.

    While looking I ran across this paper. Worth a look if you are interested in the history.
    The Opium Trade and Opium Policies in India, China, Britain, and the United States: Historical Comparisons and Theoretical Interpretations
    https://www.jstor.org/stable/23654609

  283. FB says: • Website
    @CanSpeccy

    All empires die. The US Empire is dying faster than most. The process has no doubt been hastened by the globalist elite — the Rockefellers, the Neocons, the global corporations, and their corrupt flunkies in the media, academia and the bureaucracy.

    Their goal is to replace the power of nation states by the power of global corporations, dynamic elements of the billionaire class, and globalist institutions such as the UN, WTO, the Bank for International Settlement, etc.

    Right on the money, CS…

    I would just add that the ‘UN’ part needs a little further clarification…

    There is no doubt that just about every UN institution [all these various UN ‘agencies’] have been thoroughly subverted by special interests of a globalist-Soros bent…

    These agencies have become just an extension of the plutocracy that rules the west…included here are the IMF, World Bank and UNHCR…

    I will draw out UNHCR here as truly sinister and subversive agent of human destruction…

    Under the false flag of ‘human rights’ much death, destruction and chaos has been accomplished in the last few decades…

    However, we must remember that the UN Security Council is our last hope for a peaceful world order…this is the only part of the UN that can issue legally binding resolutions…such as the multiple resolutions against Israel’s occupation of the post-1967 territories…

    The Big Five veto-holding members are the result of the bloody Second World War…this is the last thread of hope for a world of legal norms…which is of course a must…

    Unfortunately, all of those previously mentioned UN agencies and associated entities [like the OPCW] have been completely brought under the globalist jackboot…

    They rely not on any legal authority, but are a HUGE component of the global propaganda and brainwashing apparatus, which has in fact proved more powerful than the legal arm of the Security Council…

    As for China, I’m not a pessimist as to its current politics…I think they do want to bring about a rules-based order, as does Russia…the two are closely aligned on most important geopolitical questions…including the most important one…how do we stop the insanity of US imperialism…?

    I think most normal Americans also now realize that it’s time to retreat from empire…which is why they elected Trump…but they are probably outnumbered by the brainwashed zombies…

    Still, the question remains how will China’s politics and ambitions look if it succeeds in realizing its dream of becoming technologically and hence militarily dominant…?

    I think that’s a valid question…the Chinese are an ambitious bunch, although their grasp tending to exceed their reach I would say…

    We have seen throughout history that technology is the key to power…

    The invention of the wheel and the domestication of the horse allowed the Aryans on the Pontic Steppe [present day Southern Russia and Ukraine] to spread their genes and language [Indo-European] far and wide…and to literally run roughshod over most of the known world at the time…

    We are only now beginning to piece together how this massive shift in history unfolded…by means of archaeology and genetics, since there is no written record…but we know for certain it was due to the huge power of the horse and wheel technology…which in fact dominated for 5,000 years…[the wheel still counts a lot]…

    There is much reason, grounded in real technical facts, to posit that we are on the cusp of yet another such huge development…

    I’m not talking about ‘AI’ and other such cyber nonsense, but the simple physical achievement of establishing a permanent human base on the moon…if one of the three powers today vying for that actually manages to achieve it single-handedly, they will hold the entire world in their hand…simple as that…

    It will be even bigger than the horse and wheel…

    I will be writing about the technical details of the military implications of a moon colony on my blog at some point…the physical reality is staggering, and sobering…

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  284. Dannyboy says:

    White American men already walked on the Moon.

    European Christian Civilization is the greatest in recorded history.

    That’s why the dirty little Jew rats and their pathetic nigger pets hate us.

    • LOL: NoseytheDuke
    • Replies: @ploni almoni
  285. Lin says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Your burglar bars/trust society thingie missed one important thing: the residential/population density. For the yanks who live in the suburbs, the number of people passing the sidewalks of their dwellings is much smaller than corresponding figure for those who live in urban areas. Regardless of the trust level, frequency of burglary is much higher. The tone of that “Cat burglars and entrepreneurship in China” is just as intentional as yours. The same person?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  286. Lin says:

    Some of the comments are lopsided or incomplete or else:
    –Early warning system requires super computer; seems Anatoly Karlin lamented on the Russian state of this tech sector.
    –The biggest determinant for manned moon mission is rocket power(besides funding):the equivalent to launch 100 tons to LEO. The US shuttle rocket(without the shuttle) can do that. Do the americans still keep the tech to build the shuttle rockets?
    –Rocket propulsion in vacuum is high school physics: Exchange of momentum, a better expression of newton’s 2nd and 3rd law. (Increment of)Momentum of exhaust gas rushing out must be equated to (increment of)momentum of the rocket going in the opposite direction.
    –(No doubt the Russian RD-180 engine is definitely the best among LO2-kerosene engine; though smaller than the Saturn 5B 1st stage engine, its compression ratio is much higher). China has been making progress on large engine of that kind. 8 of such engine can lift off a manned mission to the moon. The most important tech parameter is the compression ratio or the ability of the fuel pumps.
    https://www.yicaiglobal.com/news/china-wraps-up-test-on-its-most-powerful-space-rocket-engine

  287. Seraphim says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    But now there are about 6 million cars in Beijing only. Plus 700,000 in downtown areas. Not to count the electric motorbikes and scooters which replaced the pushbikes of 1970 era.
    Per total 340 million motor vehicles, including 250 million cars.
    Government takes measures to restrict the growth to address traffic congestion and pollution. (probably that is what is understood by the ‘slump’ in production which heralds the collapse of the economy).

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  288. Seraphim says:
    @Realist

    The Anglo habit of ‘giving names’ to unpronounceable names of ‘insectoids’ – be them yellow, or any colour other than ‘white’, is motivated by an incapacity of Anglo speakers to learn other languages. That explains the incapacity to understand other cultures.

  289. @Lin

    I have never lived in the big city, Mr. Lin, but I’m willing to bet that even in the big city of NY, if you go back to before it was ghettoized, say the 1950s, you’d find people living without the burglar bars, and reasonable crime free. It’s a certain element that is the inner part of almost EVERY US city that is the problem.

    Let’s compare to China out in the sticks. In the small villages with a coupla hundred people, it may be as America was, but I don’t know.

    You have a good point, don’t get me wrong, but it does not explain everything. I’ll say this too: The Chinese have lived in an overpopulated place for centuries (more Chinese people in the 1850s on LESS LAND, than America has now, even after 5 decades of massive immigration.

    Speaking of the latter, most patriotic Americans would have liked our population to have stayed at 200-odd million, which it WOULD HAVE, barring the huge immigration (incl. offspring of immigrants). A place is so much nicer with less density, but the American environmental organizations even, will not speak a bad word about immigration. (Some have been bought off – now there’s your American corruption!)

    I got way off the subject, sorry. Yes, that was my post, as you guessed.

  290. @Seraphim

    Unfortunately, China missed out on the phase lots of people being able to afford cars at the same time when the country was wide open and gas was cheap. We had it very good here – 1950s through … still, really.

    You just reminded me about the motorcycle taxis in Guangzhou. Places banned motorcycles completely, because women were getting their purses snatched, often breaking a limb in the process, by Chinamen on bikes.

  291. @Godfree Roberts

    Here’s another illustration of the reality that human nature requires our best attempts at independence fortified by tenure:

    “There are differing challenges in measuring the overall effectiveness of both the Green Great Wall and the Great Green Wall.

    “In China, the evaluation system is handled by the very same state forestry department responsible for planting. Because of that, says Beiser, the figures they produce can’t be trusted.

    “So, the Chinese Government says it’s been a walloping success, that it has reduced sandstorms by a huge amount, that they’ve reclaimed enormous amounts of land, they’ve pushed back the desert and reclaimed thousands and thousands of square miles of land,” Beiser says.

    “Some of that is true to a certain extent, but it’s also true that billions of these trees have died.”

    Even scientists within China have criticised the project’s mono-crop approach.”

    It is from here
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-17/green-walls-in-china-and-africa-keeping-deserts-at-bay/11602796

  292. Miha M says:

    America will have its sputnik moment thats for sure. The paradigm of perpetual growth wil be replaced in future and we are in fact in huge overshot. Mechanism that are making these two possible are worn out and there is no backup. Once this breaks down all Chinas listed advantages are going to become disadvantages.
    -Huge population (mentioned several times) is going to be by far their biggest problem. No need to even explain this.
    -Homogenity: Of course its nice if you want to have a nice society, but when you are subjected to strong depopulation pressures its probably better to be diverse. Because you know, its much easier to get rid of the other than to get rid of your own. With ChiComs we could actually debate that. Their leadership could execute 20% or 50% or even 90% of them in the name of better future for the rest and future executies would probably silently go into the slaughterhouse. This strategy however has many downsides with some potentially devastating outcomes (e.g. positive feedback loop). We’re just going to have good old ethnic cleansing and once the elderly hit the grave we’re going to have lean and mean ethnic homogeneous core.
    -China’s imports. They are working their asses off, destroying their environment, stripping their natural resources and shipping the stuff to us in exchange for funney (fiat) money. LOL.
    -Omitting unpleasant facts or blaming it on out-group. I really dont see how this is a bad thing. Besides, we are the masters of this. There are so many inconsistencies and even contradictions in the WN dogma its crazy. And nobody is bothered with it. Because it doesnt matter. People are not logical beings, you need to lead their actions with emotion, not reason. The science behind the psychology of the masses needs to be based on logic, but the science will also tell you that consumption for the masses delivered via emotional stimuli is going to be much much much more effective than feeding people logic and reason. Most people cant handle bare naked logic. Those who can, can lead the mass to whatever outcome they please. This is single biggest advantage of white man.
    I could rebuke everything else even technlogy, but whatever. This is all going very good for us. We should be having more fun in the process – like TDS with ridiculing & stuff.

  293. denk says:

    On the NBA fiasco,

    Trump to nation…

    the choice here is, money or freedom of speech,? [sic]

    What a moron., !
    uncle scam choose money over his own mother , every single time…

    Selling arms to India, Indonesia, Turkey, Saudi, PInochet, Park Chung Hee, GHo Ting Ngiam,,,….

    murikkan value

    = My ass !

    hehehhehe

  294. @Godfree Roberts

    Very interesting. It could suggest that the CCP can be counted on to interfere. But it could be some technical reason. For example are you sure that both litigants chose the Chinese jurisdiction? It may have been a case where one party could start the litigation in China and so did. (I wonder if the legal costs might have had something to do with it!).

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  295. @Astuteobservor II

    You don’t know John Derbydhire if you think he’s scared. Actually your conjecture doesn’t make sense. What would he have to be scared of?

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  296. @FB

    Supercomputers, 5G telecommunication equipment, fiber-optic networks, OTH radars, just a few examples.

    • Replies: @FB
  297. @Godfree Roberts

    Impossible, given the tiny fraction of the community who could have such an educated conception.

  298. Biff says:
    @FB

    The problem is that Chinese knockoffs are almost never as good as what they are copying…as anyone who has bought anything on Amazon or ebay knows…

    Hey now,, my Yeti cup has been working great, and impossible to tell it’s Chinese..

  299. Rich says:
    @FB

    It’s probably not your fault, you just haven’t been well educated. The quote you were given is cherry picked from a longer letter. In the whole letter, Trent writes that blankets were given to friendly Indians who had come to Ft Pitt to assist the Europeans in their battle against hostile Indians. The blankets were given as a gift. Not to spread disease. But that old “Drums Along the Mohawk” movie is now accepted history.

    Your ignorance isn’t actually your fault, so I don’t hold it against you.

    • Replies: @FB
  300. FB says: • Website
    @last straw

    What a tree monkey…

    5G is a cellular network…it has NOTHING to do with a missile early warning system…

    Same thing for ‘supercomputers’…they are not used in these warning systems…in any case Russia certainly doesn’t need any lessons from China…it has produced many Nobel and Fields Prize winners…how many has china produced…?

    Also Russia has the most powerful MILITARY supercomputer in the world…

    Fiber optics…?…that’s a commodity household technology…it’s EVERYWHERE in Russia…just like here…

    Btw Russia has more internet users by percentage of population than the US…76 percent to 75 percent…China is only 54 percent…even the Philippines are ahead of China in internet usage…[since you’re talking about CONSUMER TECHNOLOGY that has nothing to do with early warning…]

    Over the Horizon radars are where Russia leads the world moron…that is a big part of early warning systems against ICBMs…if China had that technology why would they need Russia…?

    The simple fact is that China is way behind in many very significant technologies, as I’ve pointed out…the only thing Russia is getting is export sales of its military technology to a trusted partner…just like the US depends heavily on weapons sales to Nato countries…

    Get your head out of your ass and go get an education before posting bullshit here…it’s been nonstop bullshit from you that I have had to debunk…do you stop and consider that people reading here do not appreciate being showered with your diarrhea…?

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  301. @Smith

    Consider for a moment if you will that it is actually the big American corporations that are the real traitors that you should direct your anger towards. We’ve all heard about how Henry Ford paid his workers more than he had to in order for them to boost the economy and buy his cars. America’s economy was self-healing back then. I remember the story of a Jewish guy in MA who continued to pay his workers while his factory was rebuilt after a fire as he didn’t want to lose his workers or for their town to die.

    Nobody forced the big American corporations to move their manufacturing to China, they did it out of greed and short term thinking. Consumers have to take responsibility for their own role in causing the situation too. The Chinese have gotten away with what they’ve been allowed to get away with and they’ve made the most of what they could.

  302. FB says: • Website
    @Rich

    In the whole letter, Trent writes that blankets were given to friendly Indians who had come to Ft Pitt to assist the Europeans in their battle against hostile Indians.

    You’re even more of a lowly coward than I thought possible…a worthless piece of dung in human form…

    Why don’t you show us that ‘letter’ asshat…?…[It was actually a journal not a letter…]

    But let’s use simple logic…would you give your family or friends blankets from a hospital…much less a smallpox hospital…?

    You are so afraid of the truth that is despicable to watch such a lowly worm crawling on the ground…

    The history of the planning and execution of this biological warfare against the native peoples by the invaders is well established…

    During Pontiac’s uprising in 1763, the Indians besieged Fort Pitt. They burned nearby houses, forcing the inhabitants to take refuge in the well-protected fort. The British officer in charge, Captain Simeon Ecuyer, reported to Colonel Henry Bouquet in Philadelphia that he feared the crowded conditions would result in disease. Smallpox had already broken out.

    On June 24, 1763, William Trent, a local trader, recorded in his journal that two Indian chiefs had visited the fort, urging the British to abandon the fight, but the British refused. Instead, when the Indians were ready to leave, Trent wrote: “Out of our regard for them, we gave them two Blankets and an Handkerchief out of the Small Pox Hospital. I hope it will have the desired effect.”

    Sir Jeffery Amherst, commander of British forces in North America, wrote July 7, 1763…

    “Could it not be contrived to Send the Small Pox among those Disaffected Tribes of Indians?

    We must, on this occasion, Use Every Stratagem in our power to Reduce them.”

    A week later he wrote to Colonel Bouquet in Philadelphia..

    “You will Do well to try to Innoculate the Indians by means of Blanketts as well as to try Every other method that can serve to Extirpate this Execrable Race.”

    …a smallpox epidemic erupted in the Ohio Valley that may have been the result of the distribution of the infected articles at Fort Pitt. Whatever its origins, the outbreak devastated the Indians.

    The Fort Pitt incident is the best documented case of deliberately spreading smallpox among unsuspecting populations, but it likely was not the first time such a stratagem was employed by military forces.

    It appears that Ecuyer and Amherst proposed the same idea independently at about the same time, suggesting that the practice was not unusual.

    Colonial Germ Warfare

    • Replies: @Rich
    , @Wizard of Oz
  303. Rich says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I’m with you on that, too. I’ve met plenty of fine Chinese people and it’s terrible that so many have suffered under communist thugs. The abandonment of the Nationalists following WW2 was a terrible mistake.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @dfordoom
  304. Rich says:
    @FB

    You kids are so easily led, it’s sad really. But unless the world is presented to you as being black and White, good vs evil, you are lost. “White man bad” is the latest mantra, and you kids swallow it like a chocolate chip cookie. Anyone can read Trent’s whole journal, or read the history behind it, my leading you by the hand won’t change your mind. But the fact remains that the blankets were given to friendly Indians, that they were from the hospital doesn’t mean they were infected and it doesn’t make sense that they would try to infect the friendly Indians who were helping them battle the hostiles. Whatever, your opinion has no bearing on the facts except to show your ignorance. Ignorance isn’t a sin, so there’s no need to forgive you yours.

    • Replies: @FB
  305. @Dannyboy

    Let’s go back to the Moon… again, that’ll show the skeptics we have the Wright Stuff.

    • Replies: @Talha
  306. @foolisholdman

    When I was at school in the UK, I invented a domestic electrical fuse which lit up to show when it had been blown. I took out a provisional patent on it and took it to various manufacturers of electrical equipment and asked if they would like to manufacture it. They all pooh-poohed the idea. After another 18 months, I let the patent application lapse and within a couple of weeks, two of them started to produce versions of my idea.

    I don’t know what it is like being an inventor with no money in China, but I doubt that it is worse than being such in the west.

    Entrepreneurial capitalism is rife with thieves everywhere – very disheartening. I used to think Indians were the worst for it but it seems Anglos aren’t far behind. Are you sure those companies weren’t ran by Jews?

  307. FB says: • Website
    @Rich

    Anyone can read Trent’s whole journal…

    Go ahead then Cowardly Clown…please post the link instead of squirting diarrhea…

    …my leading you by the hand…

    Excuse me asshat…

    YOU MADE THE CLAIM IN THIS DEBATE…IT’S ON YOU TO BACK IT UP

    Failing to prove any of your claims here…my assessment of you as a weak and stupid worm stands firmly proven…

  308. Talha says:
    @ploni almoni

    Can’t argue with this. It would certainly settle things.

    Peace.

  309. @ivan

    Typical anglozionist apology lol. Ur first lie was that the chinese were already using opium (on a small scale and for medicinal purposes) to justify the british empire’s waging TWO wars to force china to allow foreigners to sell opium to its citizens on a mass scale,

    then you move the goal posts with “>Keep fooling yourself that China was a sort paradise before the white man arrived. Every manner of addiction, perversion, racism and sadism was available to the Chinese long before the white man took on the guilt of others.”

    therefore implying that the UK empire’s shelling of chinese cities and slaughter of its citizens, (with the help of 2 US warships) was acceptable.

    So typical of anglo zio apologists to never take responsibility and blaming others.

    The native american proverb of ” anglo speaketh with forked tongue” is proven true yet again.

    Wut’s happening to the US empire and its lapdog England( lol at anglos calling London Londonistan) is simply karma.

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  310. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @FB

    I will be writing about the technical details of the military implications of a moon colony on my blog ..

    The moon certainly seems more interesting since the discovery of ice-filled craters. That means a local source of oxygen to breath, plus rocket fuel, and I would guess, a suitable medium for 3-D printed igloos and tunnels. What’s more, unlike Mars, you can get home for the weekend if you leave on Thursday.

  311. @Poctakingover

    I’m not really up with the latest and best stuff on the “,Opium Wars” or how far opium was already a blessing/curse for those in China who wanted relief from miserable lives of servitude and poverty ot, for that matter, was used by the gentlemen opium smoker like those in Anglo countries before 1914 (approx).

    What would really affect my general claim that, on balance, prosperous atill-aristocratic plus Anglucan evangelical and non conformist Britain was about a generation ahead of the pack in achieving civilising modernity would be details of correspondence, government records, diaries etc showing general callousness toward the Chinese motivated by greed.

  312. @FB

    5G is a cellular network…it has NOTHING to do with a missile early warning system…

    You just don’t know better: The ability to transmit massive amounts of data with very low latency will affect the battles and weapons of the future. 5G enabled systems could help improve situational awareness for military leaders as they make critical decisions.

    Also Russia has the most powerful MILITARY supercomputer in the world…

    China’s Sunway TaihuLight is almost 600% faster, makes the Russian supercomputer a joke.

    [since you’re talking about CONSUMER TECHNOLOGY that has nothing to do with early warning…]

    Now you are talking like a real imbecile. How do you connect your components of the early warning system? Fiber-optic networks. The country that can build the fastest and most capable data-carrying fiber-optic net work will have a better integrated early warning system. That’s why China will play such an important role here.

    Over the Horizon radars are where Russia leads the world moron…that is a big part of early warning systems against ICBMs…if China had that technology why would they need Russia…?

    By offering to “help” China, Russia can access information gathered by China’s OTH radars. Russia’s policy makers are obvious much more smarter than you are.

  313. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Rich

    The abandonment of the Nationalists following WW2 was a terrible mistake.

    The Nationalists were a broken reed, and they were thugs as well. The sensible policy would have been to accept reality and establish normal relations with the new government.

    It isn’t the business of the US to try to impose governments of its choosing on other countries.

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  314. Lowe says:
    @Corvinus

    This is a stupid comment. Who cares what normies think about anything. That’s like caring what children think.

    The US is definitely way past the point of demographic no return, and the Brazil it’s becoming definitely will not be able to support Israel. I bet that burns you, huh.

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  315. anon[694] • Disclaimer says:

    “The way to save the US is a return to meritocracy and an end to these self-destructive affirmative action policies that are tearing us down from top to bottom.”

    I hate to say it, but that’s such a Boomer conservative thing to say. Not mentioned here: how that could possibly come about. Back in the day, every conservative solution to any problem was “less gubment, more freedom.” What an ill-formed and impractical suggestion – noting but rhetorical boilerplate. How, exactly, could that come about? Never answered. That generation, like early WWI generals, is heavily indoctrinated in a dogma that no longer applies to the modern world of realpolitik. They can’t think outside of those parameters. Thus, they fail. We all do because they are the ones running things. This kind of comment illustrates exactly why the USA will likely not be able to respond to a challenge from China. The latter country thinks in terms of nuts and bolts. Western thought, in contrast, centers around wishing for things to go their way with no thought as to how to bring any of it about – magical thinking.

    Minorities, an increasing share of the US population, and their political representatives aren’t going to vote for anything they think will hurt their interests. Absent a democratic vote, which you’ll never get, affirmative action, diversity quotas, and the end of meritocracy are here to stay – permanently. And it will likely get worse, not better, in the future. The situation isn’t even stagnant. Witness what’s been going on just in our culture alone. Envious minorities and their white SJW allies are effectively purging normie whites, especially white men, from all the movie and video game franchises they created. It’s rare now that we get a big movie with a strong male lead – John Wick, Joker – when that was once common. Instead, POC and women have replaced white men in Star Wars, action movies, games, and comics. Marvel race and gender swapped its characters in 2014. DC Comics is set to do the same soon. Marvel Studios is preparing for a woke phase 4 that will accomplish much of the same. Disney is swapping the Little Mermaid … and there are countless other examples.

    America’s core demographic, it’s most valuable pool of talent, is being replaced and demoralized in their own home by envious groups not capable of creating what they see but certainly willing to take it by force when they want it for themselves. We saw that in Zimbabwe when the poor African underclass decided to seize the lands of those white farmers supplying their food and wealth; misery and ruin followed. We saw it again in Venezuela; misery and ruin followed. We almost saw it recently in South Africa with land seizures; we probably will at some point in the future. And there is a nascent movement to repeat this on a much grander scale in the US. You know it as reparations. When the GOP can no longer win elections post 2020, you’ll get that and so much more. That’s America’s future. Economic mismanagement and subsequent ruin due to an envious, rapacious underclass population determined to punish their racial enemies over past slights for immediate personal gain no matter what the future cost. How much longer before the US elects its own Hugo Chavez? How ironic would that be?

    That doesn’t strike me as a nation capable of fighting back against unified opposition from a very talented China.

    “Maybe if that had been done 50 years ago, along with revoking the 1965 immigration and naturalization act. Now we need … And … plus immediate and retroactive … and elimination of settling refugees here. Anything less is a half-measure at best. And we won’t even get a half-measure.”

    Even the full measure won’t do it anymore. The US would need to double its white fertility rate (a monumental challenge) while also lowering its NAM birthrate significantly. They’d have to do this in conjunction with embracing all manner of bizarre scientific projects like genetic engineering and human cloning just to have a slim chance of keeping within the same economic and technological ballpark as China. But no dice on any of that. Polls show over 80% of Americans would oppose genetic engineering even if such a science could cure debilitating diseases in children. Remarkable ignorance and callousness. There is also strong, likely insurmountable, opposition from establishment media to any of this.

    Instead, the Ruling Class will likely respond with massive increases in immigration (legal and illegal) under the assumption that 1) all demographics are the same – because, otherwise, racism & 2) they can import enough high IQs to compete with China. Neither strategy will be successful. China has something like 4 – 5 x more intelligent people, and the global IQ average is low enough that, when coupled with rising living standards in native lands like India, the US can’t ever import enough talent to make up the difference, not without causing a race war or fundamentally altering the character of the country for the worse (polls: non-whites are less supportive of free speech).

    Further, the lower IQ immigrants flooding the country, and their present and future descendants, could easily vote to ruin the economic system for the smart fraction. Witness what just happened in the US state of California: a progressive Hispanic democrat introduced and passed legislation that will effectively end freelance journalism in the state because she has essentially no understanding of basic economics; she just copied rhetoric from SJW Millennial websites like The Huffington Post. The media there is now panicking. An entire industry is about to be shut down and moved elsewhere because the dumb politicians ruined it. Hard to imagine that happening with California’s demographics of 1980.

    That kind of incompetence is common in Latin American countries because the demographics there are very poor: ~90 mean IQ or lower + brain drain. A low intelligence, low trust, and overly emotional public can easily be deceived by a conman like Hugo Chavez. Hispanic societies are always much more on a knife’s edge than Western European societies; at any time they could get a dictator or a financial collapse. Increasingly, this is becoming true of the United States as well. I have long predicted that the economic situation of the United States would dramatically swing between states of horrible downturn induced by poor management once the demographics reached some future tipping point. That’s what happened with the 2008 Housing Crisis: stupid American politicians collapsed the real estate market with a harebrained scheme to increase poor minority home ownership. That mistake could easily be repeated with AOC’s Green New Deal, Yang’s UBI (almost certain to be expanded to illegal immigrants), home ownership, reparations, etc. In the future, there won’t be a republican party strong enough to stop any of that.

    I hate to say it, but I think the US is finished. Not necessarily at the moment, but eventually. You can tell the US Ruling Class knows something is up, too, because they are panicking. There have been frantic coup attempts in oil-producing countries like Venezuela and Iran; and countries with prospects for oil transport outside US control (Syria). The purpose of that is clear: secure vital resources from a rising China. Whites are continually demonized as potential terrorists by the woke NYC-LA-DC-London media; the media panic surrounding the premier of the recent Joker movie is just one of many examples. Western media also desperately went all-in on this Hong Kong protest movement. They were probably fantasizing about collapsing the Chinese government before it’s too late. They’ve furthered bullied Europeans over Huawei – and buying Russian gas and everything else. They’ve also been ramping up military spending in a frenzied attempt to compete with Chinese technological developments which are quickly making the US Navy obsolete in the Pacific Theater. And the State Department is now requiring Chinese diplomats to inform the government of any business or US political leader they meet with – probably afraid China may want to jumpstart their own Hong Kong-style protests in the US. That wouldn’t be a problem sans the 1965 immigration reforms. Change the demographics of a country and you change its stability and character.

    And they have no one to blame but themselves. Guys like Pat Buchanan and many others, including Ross Perot in 1992, warned anyone who would listen decades in advance of what could happen. If their advice had been taken then, something perhaps could have been done. It’s too late now, though. The future of the USA is bleak. Censorship will worsen, the economy will be mismanaged, the Ruling Class will provoke POC against whites, living standards will decline as debt burdens become too great to finance, government spying will increase and fundamental rights will vanish as a paranoid government fears for its life, and culture will dry up in the wake of social media outrage mobs serving as thinly veiled masks for anti-white bigotry.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  316. dfordoom says: • Website

    “The way to save the US is a return to meritocracy and an end to these self-destructive affirmative action policies that are tearing us down from top to bottom.”

    I hate to say it, but that’s such a Boomer conservative thing to say.

    Is meritocracy actually a good idea? Perhaps we need more moral people in positions of influence, rather than clever people. Maybe morality and loyalty are more important than merit. Maybe a commitment to society is more important than a high IQ?

    • Replies: @Rich
  317. PeterMX says:
    @onebornfree

    I only regret von Braun’s missiles were not as effective as the war criminals Churchill and FDR’s bombs and thet they didn’t kill as many Englishmen as the English and Americans killed Germans. After all, they created the world war and these criminals began the deliberate bombing of civilians.

    It was Tim Lehrer’s ethnic group that created a government group to expel German scientists from the USA after they put an Amercan on the moon and at the time the Holocaust Industry began in the US. But he has a point. There were about 60 milllion Germans and the allied war criminals continued to murder many Germans after the war ended.

    While Lehrer and the Jews hated the Germans, the American President under which the space program really accelerated, JFK, was a great admirer of the Germans, or “NAZIS” as hate filled idiots refer to them.

    On JFK –

    “And on August 21, 1937 – two years before the war that would claim 50 million lives broke out – he wrote: ‘The Germans really are too good – therefore people have ganged up on them to protect themselves.’”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2329556/How-JFK-secretly-ADMIRED-Hitler-Explosive-book-reveals-Presidents-praise-Nazis-travelled-Germany-Second-World-War.html

  318. PeterMX says:
    @onebornfree

    So then you are acknowledging that the Amercan war criminals murdered thousands (far more actually) of Germans after the war was over? When you say “NAZI”, do you consider all Germans (who overwhelmingly suppored their government) to be “NAZIS”, regardless of whether they belonged to the National Socialist Party or not? As far as the allied gov’ts were concerned, I don’t think they cared whether a German belonged to the party. If he was a German and supported his country (as most Americans, English and French supported their own) he could be targeted for murder.

  319. @Wizard of Oz

    I detected his fear of “chicom” and his anger at his own inability to do anything about it.

    As I read the English news on China since the start of trade war to present, the more apparent the lack of concrete action. Unless you think propaganda in the english media or inciting a riot in HK is sticking it to the “chicoms”.

    FYI, every time I read “Chicom” the picture of an old, dying, angry old man waving his fists pops into my mind. 🤣

    When one is emotional towards a real enemy, he already lost.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  320. @anon

    I don’t agree with all of it but very well said. 👍

  321. Rich says:
    @dfordoom

    Since there are no moral people, we can’t set up any kind of theocracy. All humans are weak, none are good. At least in a meritocracy, the most capable are at the helm. What we have now are incompetent minorities, idiot relatives and the best brownnosers running things. This will lead to disaster. Not just for America, but for the world. Look at N Korea to see how Chicom allies live. That’s our future if something doesn’t change.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  322. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Rich

    Since there are no moral people, we can’t set up any kind of theocracy. All humans are weak, none are good. At least in a meritocracy, the most capable are at the helm.

    With the meritocrats at the helm the ship will hit the iceberg at 25 knots rather than 20.

  323. @Astuteobservor II

    Obviously one doesn’t have an obligation to be either a scrupulous or an astute observer** on these threads but you are a bit free with your imagination if you think that desperate Brexited Britain has got anything to do with “inciting a riot in Hong Kong” especoally when it needs a friendly China to make a trade agreement with.

    **AstuteobserverII – secomd class??

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  324. denk says:

    Morey,

    ‘Im standing up to the CCP’, [sic]

    yoU MIGHT think you got some kind of backbone there , but do you have cojones ?

    Real man stand up to tptb ,
    [prepared to do time ..or worse !]

    Kathy Kelly jailed for peaceful antiwar protest,
    https://sainthoward.blogspot.com/2014/

    PUssies ‘stand up to’ the CCP,
    [no consequence, might even bag a Nobel piss prize
    hehehehheh] [1]

    GAwd,
    the [[[five liars]]] seem to have an inexhaustible supplies of pussies.

    [1]
    no kidding, for aspiring piss prize Laurette wannabe , just go to Beijing and unfurl a protest banner agaijnst CCP,
    THE next thing you know, a call from the nobel piss prize committee !

    heheheheh

  325. Rich says:
    @dfordoom

    The Nationalists were battered because they fought the Japanese while Mao and his thugs hid out in the mountains. The Reds were imposed on the Chinese people by the Soviets and the rest of the Comintern. The US should have thrown its full support behind Chiang Kai-Shek and saved the Chinese people years of torture and enslavement. Can you imagine what a real partnership between a free republican China and a free West might have meant for the world following WW2? No Korean War, no Vietnam War, no Khmer Rouge, an isolated Soviet Union unable to spread mayhem around the world. Would’ve been nice.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    , @ivan
  326. @FB

    Yep, I’m afraid that it fits in with one of my simple arguments about the Holocaust. Given what Germans, especially the Nazis, thought and taught about Jews what is surprising about even dome of the most callous and murderous acts.

    • Replies: @FB
  327. FB says: • Website
    @Wizard of Oz

    Of course…denying the truth about any historical event is injurious mostly to the one denying it…

    Why…?

    Because believing in fairy tales in order to salve your own insecurities…means you are not IN CONTROL of your own intellect and soul…

    As the great thinker Aristotle tells us…this makes you a SLAVE…since others must then rule over your own body [namely its work production] and control it, usually for their own benefit…

  328. @Rich

    What? You think you can convince these people with some damn thing called history, Rich? Come on! Most of the people we’ve been arguing with think the Cold War is some figment of the imagination of people who use the terms ChiComs, Soviets, Reds, Killing Fields, etc. It never happened, if there are no .jpgs and it was before they went to college to get edumacated.

    From one guy who knows some history to another: yes, you are right, Rich, saving the Chinese from Communism was something America should have tried harder at. The situation 30 years earlier in Russia was not something America was involved in, but, in the late 1940s, we already had a big presence in Asia after fighting the Japanese.

    As for Chairman Mao, yeah, I’m not sure he spent much time marching vs. riding in that Long March. Per Peak Stupidity’s “The Long March of the Chinese Commies”, this march was actually just one long (~5,000 mile) retreat.

    • Agree: Rich
  329. Clearly the answer is to open up further our Colleges to Chinese fifth columnists, and of course, our friends in India. When hyphenated Americans control every single facet and unit of civilian and military infrastructure, only then will the US be safe.

    I see the Canadian Prime Minister could end up being a Sikh. It is disgraceful watching the debates over Brexit and seeing Sikh’s again, lecturing the Commons on what it means to be English.

    As for all the people propounding meritocracy, here’s the thing – yellow and brown people in the world are smarter then you are. If you have meritocracy plus free trade plus free movement of peoples, everything stays the same. Chinese immigrants are no more preferable in the end then Somalis, nor Indians. It leads to all the same pathologies.

    And good luck enforcing a genuine meritocracy against the Jews. That’s anti-semitic.

  330. @Commentator Mike

    You should have got crowd funding, or micro-capital, or anything where you give away equity in return for capital. If you were Jewish or Indian, you wouldn’t have been so pathetic and lacklustre, and you would have had a fricken cousin who could pay for continued patents, and you would have found an entry.

    Yes, Anglos should be entrepreneurial & not an effing coolie class of slave-labour.

  331. @Flint Clint

    Flint Clint.

    I was actually replying to foolisholdman who is indeed very old and was writing about events probably soon after WWII so there was no crowd funding or some of those other possibilities like venture capital. You probably need a lot of capital to start anything major. Those success stories they keep dangling in front of us about self made entrepreneurs are mostly fairy tales for the public. Not only did they steal other people’s ideas and inventions, they also had huge backing, and many are probably just fronting enterprises that they probably had very little to do with. And most are Jews or front for Jews, so they’re not likely to let anyone succeed just because they came up with something useful. Not saying it’s not possible but hardly. There are countless cases like what happened to foolisholdman in the west. No wonder he got disillusioned with capitalism.

  332. @Commentator Mike

    Entrepreneurial capitalism is rife with thieves everywhere – very disheartening. I used to think Indians were the worst for it but it seems Anglos aren’t far behind. Are you sure those companies weren’t ran by Jews?

    No, I don’t know who ran them.

  333. @Flint Clint

    This was in the late 1940s. No crowd funding, not much in the way of venture capital. Probably, I should have gone to a friend of my parents who worked for Morgan Stanley, who once told them: “If you ever want to be really rich come and see me about it.” I don’t know if they did not believe him or what the reason was but they never took him up on it.

  334. @Sean

    ” The opium war was on Chinese mandarins’ policy which may have been inspired by Taoist let-it-be methods of governance” C R A P
    The Manzu (the Qing dynasty werent HAN people!) They dont know (Tao)Dao and Kong Zi (confucius to you westerners). They were ineffectual and kept China somewhat in the 17th century due to lack of insight into what the West (British were up to) failed to upgrade their military. Had HAN people been still in power after the Ming collapse then the opium war may not have happened.
    I dont get my history from troll internet sites.

    • Replies: @Sean
  335. @Greg Bacon

    Hey ignorant idiot China basher!!!!!! “Butcher Mao was busy murdering tens of millions of Chinese,”
    So if that was true the CPC would have been thrown out by the Chinese people 50 years ago. What a load of CRAP you talk.
    Go join the China haters club.

  336. ivan says:
    @Rich

    It had always amused me when I was working in China, that every time the CCTV9 propaganda channel had to rile up the English-speaking masses in China against the Japanese they end up showing old newsreels showing the Nationalist forces doing their best against overwhelming Japanese firepower. But where were the Chicoms I wondered? Regaling Edgar Snow with stories about the great Mao no doubt. There is as you say enough evidence to show that the Commies never really engaged the Japanese preferring instead under to write poetry while waiting for the “imperialists” – Japanese and the Nationalists to duke it out while they bide their time to pick up the pieces. (It was what Stalin had advised, but no doubt his student Mao had already intuited it.)

    This then is the “Original Sin” of the Chicoms, one that they cannot live down no matter how hard they try, the shadow of guilt they try to overcome with all the bellicosity and mendacity at their disposal. But is that sufficient to give them “the Mandate of Heaven”? Of course not, as time will tell.

  337. @Godfree Roberts

    ‘As a result, twice as many Chinese than Americans trust their legal system.’
    True, also on CCTV all the time is how good the Chinese police depts are, unlike in the US of A where you are likely to be shot during routine traffic stop or if pulled over for speeding or lane change as HAS happened. There was a case in China were a lady bashed a cop and literally he did nothing although she was charged of course. In China the people actually trust the cops, unlike the USA, only very few exceptions.
    So the USA is superior? How many prisoners? more than any other country on earth per population, and in private prisons (concentration camps). Home less? LA has hundreds of homeless (educated too) people camping on the streets, find one in China. The legal system is so rigged it is impossible to get a reasonable trial, usually rigged by a corrupt system run by bandits. (See Jim Fetzers case on here).
    So, China bashers look in your own back yard.

  338. So if that was true the CPC would have been thrown out by the Chinese people 50 years ago. What a load of CRAP you talk.

    Thrown out!? Really? Do you know what “absolute power” means? How exactly were the poor Chinese bastards gonna “throw out” Chairman Mao, in a recall or a vote of no confidence?

    Maybe you’ve lived in the Western World for too long* too understand what tyranny is about. Your Lenins, Stalins, Hitlers, Maos, Pol Pots, etc. were never up for re-election, Mr. Dragon. It doesn’t work like that.

    .

    * BTW, I’m not saying we have much rule-of-law and due process left, but I lived in America when we DID.

    • Troll: d dan
  339. @Wizard of Oz

    You read too much, way too much into the word brit in my previous comment. 🤑

    And I would refrain from attacking you lol.

  340. @Godfree Roberts

    US fentanyl seizures show China is not the main supplier, Beijing drugs official says.

    I have several bridges in the greater NYC area for sale you’ll be interested in.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  341. @Corvinus

    Actually, you and your fellow patriots could do something. It would require sacrifice on your part. But you would rather bitch and moan rather than making a difference.

    As if you know what I am up to, Schlomo.

    “So, crash and burn it is.”

    Normies vehemently oppose your Chicken Little in the Sky routine and your Humpty Dumpty scenario.

    Normies are the last to realize the house is on fire.

    “The only upside is that the coming devastation of America…”

    You mean your projection that America could fall.

    It’s baked in the cake. You think a population like Brazil can muster the force projection to act as Israel’s army? They’re too busy dealing with the problems of diversity.

    Maybe you can get China to help you with the Greater Israel project. Better get busy on that, because I think it will be a lot harder to blend in with the Han than the Anglo goyim.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  342. denk says:

    IMagine,
    if Jack Ma declares his support for rioters ‘freedom’ to commit vandalism, arsons and assault of police in DC, …..

    Damned murikkans would go berserk !

    How dare those chicoms to interfere in our internal affair, ?

    Trump would slap a sanction on Alibbaba that makes the war’ on HUawei looks like child;s play.

    A global warrant would be issued to haul Jack Ma to DC for trial on ‘supporting terroirsm ‘ the moment he step out of China.

    Perhaps Even a drone would be sent to carry out extra territorial execution on Ma !

    BUt I guess all these would be lost on the exceptional murikkans.

    Apparently the entire nation is behind MOrey, the pussy who openly declares his support for the ‘freedom fighters’ in HK,

    Such self righteous [email protected]#$%^!

    • Agree: Godfree Roberts
  343. Sean says:
    @BlackDragon

    They were ineffectual and kept China somewhat in the 17th century due to lack of insight into what the West (British were up to) failed to upgrade their military. Had HAN people been still in power after the Ming collapse then the opium war may not have happened.

    You seem to think the British would have handed over all their silver and then their gold.

  344. @Ash Williams

    Sell your bridges to the US Department of Justice, whose assessment I quoted.

  345. @Godfree Roberts

    I doubt you’re fooling anyone here. It is as obvious as can be that you work for the Chinese government as an internet propagandist. You’re just the Chinese version of a hasbarat. And as with them, it’s not working.

    The problem you’re going to find is that, while you can easily fool the Chinese people (since they are your slaves), you can’t really fool the rest of us.

    China is an inferior nation of inferior people. You always have been, and you always will be. You’ll never be able to match, even by half, the accomplishments of Western Civilization. Nevertheless, carry on…

    • Troll: d dan, Godfree Roberts
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  346. @Gleimhart Mantooso

    Mr. Roberts is a white guy. From his own website, advertising retirement advice on Thailand, it sounds like his parents were Americans, but became Communists. It doesn’t ALWAYS skip a generation. Mr. Roberts is a bit like those Japanese soldiers that lived in caves on Pacific islands and weren’t aware that WWII was over even 10 years later. He is Mao ZeDong’s biggest fan, when all others have realized what a failure Communism in China was.

    I never heard back on whether you have been to China, Mr. Roberts. Has the Chinese government banned you because of your parents? That’d be an ironic pill to swallow. As an expat in Thailand, I’m sure your small American-dollar-denominated paychecks go pretty far. As I warned Fred Reed, another ex-pat who writes on here, in “Down to the banana republics …. went Fred Reed”, when the dollar falls, your money won’t make you a rich American anymore. My advice is to put money in various denominations and real assets.

    • Troll: d dan
  347. “Chinese people at least have the excuse that they are, and always have been, in their schools, colleges, and media, fed a doctored version of their country’s history … “. And what history is taught here in the states? Every nation does it, so now it should be a matter of to what degree is history slanted, and to what degree censorship plays into the equation. And, if we can’t discuss Jews, well right there, history becomes a lie.

  348. Corvinus says:
    @Lowe

    “This is a stupid comment. Who cares what normies think about anything. That’s like caring what children think.”

    In order for the Alt Right to get anywhere, it must care what normies think. They constitute tens of millions of whites. Didn’t you get the memo?

    “The US is definitely way past the point of demographic no return, and the Brazil it’s becoming definitely will not be able to support Israel. I bet that burns you, huh.”

    Not in the least, since the U.S. is not even remotely Brazil, nor is it turning into that nation.

  349. Corvinus says:
    @Ash Williams

    “As if you know what I am up to, Schlomo.”

    I know what you are NOT up to, nor doing.

    “Normies are the last to realize the house is on fire.”

    Actually, Normies put out the fires that the radicals on the right and left put out. That’s why it burns you when your plans go up in smoke.

    “Maybe you can get China to help you with the Greater Israel project.”

    Are there Jews under your bed and in your closet?

    “Better get busy on that, because I think it will be a lot harder to blend in with the Han than the Anglo goyim.”

    China is not planning to take over the U.S. What a silly thing for you to consider.

  350. Kiel says:
    @Ash Williams

    “The only upside is that the coming devastation of America is so assured that the USA will no longer be able to project power to protect Israel, which is the most just and hilariously ironic of outcomes.”

    Which is why the Canaanites are grooming the Chinks for that very occasion – for the time when the USA is splintered into an array of ethnostates.

    . . . it’s already over.

  351. Escher says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Thanks! Didn’t catch that one.

  352. Let me add something more about the independence of the judiciary. Obviously its reality will depend on many factors but I would emphasise collegiality of Bar and judiciary as important. But what I particularly wanted to add was my not regarding elections to the judiciary as in much of the US, especially with short periods of tenure, as supporting true independence of the judiciary. Surely those philosopher princes in Beijing could do it right.

  353. SpaceMan says:

    Every American should be asking these questions. How can we compete and win against a country that has a population four times bigger and a rapidly growing economy?

    The goal is to prevent China from dominating the world economically, for if America falls behind and cedes world economic leadership to China, we will eventually lose our military superiority. How can this be done?

    What ultimately has to happen is that America must “leapfrog” ahead of China. We cannot beat China by playing the same game as them or we will be defeated by their sheer numbers. We have to fight like David fought Goliath, with superior strategy to defeat a larger opponent.

    Ultimately, this means that America needs to look at its place in the world with almost unlimited ambition and vision. America should aspire to become the first “Type I civilization” and to actively seek to achieve the Technological Singularity.

    This sounds crazy, right?

    It’s not. If America doesn’t do it, some other country will.

    1. America needs to create a “solar system economy” in which resources are not merely extracted from the earth, where resource extraction causes irreparable long-term damage to our environment and eventual resource depletion and diminishing marginal returns but where we are getting the resources we need to develop rapidly from space. And then we need to develop and maintain a monopoly on space-based resources, keeping the technologies that can efficiently extract those resources and transport them to Earth secret. To this end, the government should massively support companies like SpaceX and also fund other companies that are trying to achieve similar objectives and ambitious goals. This is an example of “leapfrogging” ahead of China to maintain and ultimately extend our competitive advantage.

    2. Investment into a fully automated military in which America’s global military reach can be maintained and even extended without a single soldier, but with machines that can fight a global war from the other side of the ocean with remote controls.

    3. Government subsidized development of offshore seasteading platforms, which will be designated as special economic zones in which residents are free to experiment with whatever forms of political and economic organization that they wish.

    The only way we can compete with China is to play a different game. By changing the rules, by fighting an asymmetric game, by looking above to the sky, to the sea. China may rule the Earth, but we will rule the skies.

  354. “Chinese people at least have the excuse that they are, and always have been, in their schools, colleges, and media, fed a doctored version of their country’s history, with all the unpleasant bits blamed on foreigners; or, where something can’t be blamed on foreigners, it’s just left out.”

    That may not be true. The greatest work of science fiction in the 21st century is “The Three-Body Problem” by Liu Cixin (who lives and writes in China). The trilogy is a bitter polemic against Mao’s Cultural Revolution (among other things). One character (sympathetically portrayed) is so outraged by the Cultural Revolution that she decides to exterminate all of mankind (and has a quite reasonable plan to do so).

    Take a look at “China’s Class of 1977: I took an exam that changed China” (BBC). The tragedy of the Cultural Revolution is well known in China and hardly hidden. Conversely, the famine (which may have killed 40 million people) associated with the “Great Leap Forwards” is still largely covered up.

    • Replies: @Peter Schaeffer
  355. @Peter Schaeffer

    As an addendum to my prior remarks, let me offer the following. The Cultural Revolution has not been swept under the rug because the victims were typically the articulate elite. By contrast, the even larger disaster of the “Great Leap Forwards” is still essentially a no-go zone because the victims were mostly ordinary peasants. People who didn’t really count in Communist China (back then).

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