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As reported here by James Fulford on Monday, Austria’s general election last weekend was won by the center-right People’s Party with 32 percent of the vote. The center-left Social Democrats got 27 percent. Just a whisker behind them was the nationalist Freedom Party at 26 percent.

The leader of the winning People’s Party is Sebastian Kurz, who is 31 years old. That’s extraordinarily young for a national leader: even Kim Jong Un is older than that—at least we think he is. Kurz is a real wunderkind: he was Secretary of State at 27.

And “center-right” doesn’t quite capture his politics. When you hear “center-right” in an American context, you think of someone like Paul Ryan or Chris Christie: business-friendly but an open-borders squish on immigration and borders.

Not this guy. Quote from Kurz:

Our goal is that we decide who can come to Europe, and we decide who we help, and that we don’t let the [people] smugglers decide … The concept of no borders is not going to work.[ Austrian officials say Europe, not smugglers, must decide which migrants make it, By Carol Morello, Washington Post, April 4, 2016]

Hallelujah! The question now is: which of the other two big parties, the center-left Social Democrats or the nationalist Freedom Party, will Kurz invite into a coalition?

The current ruling coalition is People’s Party plus Social Democrats, center-right plus center-left giving, I suppose, center-center. This has been the usual arrangement pretty much for ever, at least since WW2. The Social Democrats have been the senior party in the coalition since 2007, and they hold the Chancellorship—the chief executive position.

It’s not likely the Social Democrats will want to be in coalition with Kurz, though, after his defense of borders and immigration control. A People’s Party / Freedom Party coalition is more probable, and not unprecedented: the two were in a brief coalition early in the last decade, although the Freedom Party’s been through some changes since then.

Assuming this is what happens—it’s undecided as we go to tape—it will be another step forward for nationalism in Europe.

Probably this story is not unrelated. It’s from Breitbart, October 20th, headline: Austria: 25 Per Cent Rise in Sex Attacks, Almost Half Committed by Migrants.

Apparently the Austrian government has just released new statistics on sexual assault in that country. The statistics say the thing the headline says they say. Among rape suspects, 44 percent are of a foreign background. Afghans lead the pack, followed by Romanians, Germans, Serbs, and Turks. The original was in German : Afghanen auffällig | 25% mehr Sexualstraftaten in nur einem Jahr, Kronen Zeitung, October 19, 2017. [Google Translate]

Foreigners are overrepresented--In terms of overall crime, Austrians still rank first, followed by Serbs, Romanians and Germans. In the case of assets (thefts, burglaries, etc.), foreign perpetrators are clearly overrepresented: the proportion is more than 51 per cent.

The differences in attitude between Israeli and diaspora Jews towards the National Question (discussed elsewhere in the podcast) are in evidence here. The first leader of the Freedom Party, sixty years ago, was a former SS officer; and antisemitism is an even touchier subject in Austria than in Germany. Hitler himself was Austrian, remember.

(I can’t resist here recycling the old joke about Austrians being the smartest people in the world, because they’ve convinced the rest of us that Hitler was German and Beethoven was Austrian.)

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So on the one hand we have Oskar Deutsch, the president of the Jewish Communities of Austria, publishing an open letter to Sebastian Kurz urging him not to form a coalition with the Freedom Party because that party’s leader and some of its officers had, quote, “used antisemitic codes, made extreme right-wing statements and … promoted hatred and racism,”[ Austrian Jews to Israel: Respect our stand on far-right Freedom Party, By Herb Keinon, Jerusalem Post, October 20, 2017]

Then on the other hand there was Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu calling Sebastian Kurz to congratulate him on his party’s election victory, applauding Austria for the long way it’s come in fighting antisemitism, and not mentioning the Freedom Party at all. [VDARE.com Note: Netanyahu presumably feels that an Austria occupied by Muslims would be more of a problem than one with center-right politicians whose immigration policies parallel his own.]

Well: However that plays out, there is now a good solid block of nations down through Eastern and Central Europe with governments unfriendly to mass Third World immigration. The people of this zone have decided they don’t want to be replaced by aliens. They’d like their countries to remain theirs. Radio Derb congratulates them on their good sense and patriotism, and hopes it’s contagious.

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John Derbyshire [email him] writes an incredible amount on all sorts of subjects for all kinds of outlets. (This no longer includes National Review, whose editors had some kind of tantrum and fired him. ) He is the author of We Are Doomed: Reclaiming Conservative Pessimism and several other books. He has had two books published by VDARE.com com:FROM THE DISSIDENT RIGHT (also available in Kindle) and FROM THE DISSIDENT RIGHT II: ESSAYS 2013.

(Republished from VDare.com by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. saturn says:

    Another uninformed idiot: the Muslims and the Nazis worked closely together during WWII, not to mention that the Nazis are socialists like him. I guess it is projection as he is the Nazi.

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    • Replies: @Rich
    Both the Allies and the Axis powers had allies in Muslim countries.
    , @SMK
    Savor the irony and absurdity: Austrians and Germans and other Europeans who oppose an invasion of Muslims, the worst Jew-haters on earth, are "Nazis." Do Jews actually believe they'll be batter off when France, Germany, the UK, Sweden, etc. become Muslim-Majority countries with large minorities of non-Muslim black Africans?
    , @Stormchaser
    Argh. No moron. Hitler was a national socialist. There is a huge difference. The nazis and the Muslims worked together because they wanted their own territories free from British rule and the Jewish bankers. In fact of you actually learnt history about Hitler you'd realise that if he were around today he'd be fighting for the banning of these third world scum in Europe and the communists. Go get dejewed from the Jewish lies you have been told
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  2. FKA Max says: • Website

    Turkey’s Muslim Influence in Austria – CBN.com

    Published on Apr 6, 2010

    The Turks are exercising their influence through immigration and mosque building in Vienna and other Austrian cities and towns… The Christian Broadcasting Network CBN

    Political and religious tensions are rising in the Europe, and reaching a boiling point.

    I have been commenting quite a bit on this topic over the last several days.

    Erdogan’s actions have completely changed the mood in Europe and in the West, and forever altered the ideological structure/underpinnings of the European Union, in my opinion.

    We have truly arrived in the age of the “Clash of Civilizations”, now, I feel. It cannot be denied, anymore, by the media, etc.

    Austria is the canary in the coal mine.

    [MORE]

    Without Erdogan flooding Europe with Syrian War refugees and ISIS fighters, etc., I don’t think Trump would have been elected president or BREXIT would have happened.

    A few years ago George Friedman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Friedman predicted World War 3 would take place between Turkey (Sunni Islam) and Poland (Catholic Christianity).

    I tended to dismiss this scenario and idea, but not so much anymore.

    http://www.unz.com/jpetras/the-middle-east-pivot/#comment-2050307

    I think the prayer actions we are seeing in Poland are the beginning of this transformation of the E.U. from a secular institution into a more religious/Roman Catholic institution.

    http://www.unz.com/jpetras/the-middle-east-pivot/#comment-2050404

    What is basically emerging is the European Union Otto von Habsburg envisioned
    [...]
    This development will help slow the “Islamization” of Europe, but it will make the European Union more authoritarian, militaristic and less technocratic, further weaken the secular forces in Turkey, which will make a confrontation, military or otherwise, between Sunni Islam (Turkey, et al. ) and Catholic Christianity (Vatican, Poland, et al.), much more likely, in my opinion.

    http://www.unz.com/jpetras/the-middle-east-pivot/#comment-2051317

    Many Turks believe Erdogan will bring new Ottoman Empire | DW English

    Published on Sep 15, 2017

    Many Turks believe President Recip Tayyip Erdogan has renewed their sense of national pride, which they feel is closely tied to Islam. Others think he is a dictator bent on destroying the secularism brought by Turkey’s first president, Kemal Atatürk.

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    • Replies: @FKA Max
    Typo; one *the* too many: Political and religious tensions are rising in *[]* Europe, and reaching a boiling point.

    Turkey calls Austria 'racist'

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ru-OYRTE6Qg

    Published on Aug 5, 2016

    Prophetic... from 2010, the late Udo Ulfkotte https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Udo_Ulfkotte

    'Muslims won't win against the West'

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgNPaL9CllI

    Published on Oct 24, 2010
    , @FKA Max

    (I can’t resist here recycling the old joke about Austrians being the smartest people in the world, because they’ve convinced the rest of us that Hitler was German and Beethoven was Austrian.)
     
    Otto von Habsburg must be the smartest one of them all ;-)

    On the 2008 anniversary of the Anschluss,[56][57][58][59][60] Otto von Habsburg made a very controversial statement, as part of his "1938 Remembrance Day" address before Parliament that "there is no country in Europe that has a better claim to be a victim of the Nazis than Austria".[61]
    [...]
    Otto von Habsburg was also quoted as saying that "a discussion as to whether Austria was an accomplice or a victim is an outrage".[64]
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_von_Habsburg#Political_career

    This is what he had to say about Muslims:

    Dr. Otto von Habsburg on Muslims and Christians in Europe

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC9o_Z6L7Jo

    I have heard the claim before, which makes sense to me, that the reason David Irving was imprisoned in Austria and was dealt such a relatively severe sentence for thinking and spreading ``bad thoughts'' was that the Austrians had/have a guilty conscience because they had/have not confronted their NS past and crimes sufficiently, yet.

    On 11 November 2005, the Austrian police in the southern state of Styria, acting under the 1989 warrant, arrested Irving.
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Irving#Life_after_libel_suit

    At that time the legal dispute over the rightful ownership of the famous Gustav Klimt paintings was also going on. Maybe Irving was imprisoned to distract from that corruption and embarrassment?

    Schoenberg gave evidence before them in September 2005 and, in January 2006, they delivered their judgement. They stated that five of the six paintings in question should be returned to the Bloch-Bauer estate, as outlined in Ferdinand's will; only the Portrait of Amalie Zuckerkandl was to be retained by the gallery.
    [...]
    The paintings were exported from Austria in March 2006 and exhibited together at the Los Angeles County Museum of Art from April to June that year.
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portrait_of_Adele_Bloch-Bauer_I#1945.E2.80.93present

    Art of the Heist: The Lady In Gold

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ifi3FMtF8uQ

    A film on the recovery of the Bloch-Bauer Klimt paintings by Maria Altmann in 2006. Electric Sky, Nigel Janes Director/Producer.
    , @FKA Max
    This is the flag of the Paneuropean Union, which was headed by Otto von Habsburg for many years:

    http://www.insidethevatican.com/images/peu-flag.jpg


    While working on behalf of the emerging European Community in the west, he continued through the height of the Cold War to do what he could for the nations trapped in the Soviet Bloc. He stood by the beleaguered Cardinal Mindszenty before and after the Hungarian Uprising in 1956. He encouraged the first glints of light as the Soviet Empire began to falter.
     
    - http://www.insidethevatican.com/articles/otto-von-habsburg.htm

    Even for Churchill the Paneuropean Union was too Christian/Catholic right-wing, it seems:


    In 1947, the group formed around Duncan Sandys, Winston Churchill, Edvard Beneš and others splited into newly formed European Movement in opposition of Union's strong Christian right.
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paneuropean_Union

    This was proved only three years later (1949) when another pillar of the Catholic Church—i.e. Cardinal Mindszenty of Hungary—having planned to overthrow the Hungarian Government, reckoned on the military intervention of the "right" kind of Allies. Such intervention would have meant general war, and hence the use of atomic bombs. Cardinal Mindszenty had acted on the assumption that the overthrow of the Hungarian Government, with the consequent "restoration of the Hungarian Catholic Monarchy of Hapsburg in its place, could be achieved with help from abroad...in case a new world war created such a situation," to quote his own words.[5] "I regarded it (the outbreak of the third world war) as a basis," said the Cardinal. Mindszenty could well think and act in this fashion, in the comforting knowledge that behind him stood the Vatican, bent upon furthering its vast political schemes, on the assumption of a third world conflict. Vatican political post-war designs had precisely that "as a basis."
     
    - http://www.reformation.org/holoc10.html

    Cardinal Mindszenty was a CIA asset, and I assume Otto von Habsburg was also closely associated with the CIA: The Cardinal had been designated a key part in a "successful insurrection." That is, he had been appointed jointly by Pius XII, the Hungarian insurrectionists and the CIA as "Premier" of Liberated Hungary. - http://www.reformation.org/holoc21.html

    This (re-)emerging European Union is basically a bigger and more ambitious version of the (Roman Catholic) Austro-Hungarian Empire.

    Make Austria Great Again — the rapid rise of Sebastian Kurz


    "What does he want? The Hapsburg empire back again?"
     
    - http://www.dw.com/en/make-austria-great-again-the-rapid-rise-of-sebastian-kurz/a-40313720

    As said above, this development is a doubled-edged sword. One the one hand, continental Europe and the European Union are becoming more right-wing Roman Catholic, but on the other hand right-wing Roman Catholics are the most experienced fighters and best defense and bulwark against incursions of radical Islam into Europe.

    Time will tell, how all this plays out.

    Visualizing Values Mismatch in the European Union

    http://peterturchin.com/cliodynamica/visualizing-values-mismatch-in-the-european-union/

    http://www.worldvaluessurvey.org/images/Cultural_map_WVS6_2015.jpg

    , @FKA Max
    This video made by a young German man is a very good summary of the situation in Austria, Germany, the Czech Republic and in Europe in general. I was amazed how much he used the language and terminology of the American Alt Right in this video. There must be a lot ``cross fertilization'' going on between the youth of the ``Old Continent'' and the youth of the ``New World'':

    What Does the Austrian Election Mean for Europe?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdI6MVjNRv4

    Red Pill Germany
    Published on Oct 22, 2017
    Hey guys, I want to comment on Sebastian Kurz's victory in Austria and his likely coalition with HC Strache's freedom party.

    I think we see that even the western states in Europe are slowly beginning to understand that we cannot go on like this and that the young generation needs to change our continent in order to preserve it.

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  3. FKA Max says: • Website
    @FKA Max
    Turkey's Muslim Influence in Austria - CBN.com

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wjof5hH90yo

    Published on Apr 6, 2010

    The Turks are exercising their influence through immigration and mosque building in Vienna and other Austrian cities and towns... The Christian Broadcasting Network CBN

    Political and religious tensions are rising in the Europe, and reaching a boiling point.

    I have been commenting quite a bit on this topic over the last several days.

    Erdogan's actions have completely changed the mood in Europe and in the West, and forever altered the ideological structure/underpinnings of the European Union, in my opinion.

    We have truly arrived in the age of the ``Clash of Civilizations'', now, I feel. It cannot be denied, anymore, by the media, etc.

    Austria is the canary in the coal mine.

    Without Erdogan flooding Europe with Syrian War refugees and ISIS fighters, etc., I don’t think Trump would have been elected president or BREXIT would have happened.

    A few years ago George Friedman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Friedman predicted World War 3 would take place between Turkey (Sunni Islam) and Poland (Catholic Christianity).

    I tended to dismiss this scenario and idea, but not so much anymore.
     
    - http://www.unz.com/jpetras/the-middle-east-pivot/#comment-2050307

    I think the prayer actions we are seeing in Poland are the beginning of this transformation of the E.U. from a secular institution into a more religious/Roman Catholic institution.
     
    - http://www.unz.com/jpetras/the-middle-east-pivot/#comment-2050404

    What is basically emerging is the European Union Otto von Habsburg envisioned
    [...]
    This development will help slow the “Islamization” of Europe, but it will make the European Union more authoritarian, militaristic and less technocratic, further weaken the secular forces in Turkey, which will make a confrontation, military or otherwise, between Sunni Islam (Turkey, et al. ) and Catholic Christianity (Vatican, Poland, et al.), much more likely, in my opinion.
     
    - http://www.unz.com/jpetras/the-middle-east-pivot/#comment-2051317

    Many Turks believe Erdogan will bring new Ottoman Empire | DW English

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9Qm5CZEKPI

    Published on Sep 15, 2017

    Many Turks believe President Recip Tayyip Erdogan has renewed their sense of national pride, which they feel is closely tied to Islam. Others think he is a dictator bent on destroying the secularism brought by Turkey's first president, Kemal Atatürk.

    Typo; one *the* too many: Political and religious tensions are rising in *[]* Europe, and reaching a boiling point.

    Turkey calls Austria ‘racist’

    Published on Aug 5, 2016

    Prophetic… from 2010, the late Udo Ulfkotte https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Udo_Ulfkotte

    ‘Muslims won’t win against the West’

    Published on Oct 24, 2010

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    We need to build robots looking like Arnold Schwarzie, walking around wearing raybans, wielding heavy guns and making dogs nervous, faster than we deliquesce.

    Or maybe send them back in time after meltdown (that is unlikely to be possible in this pocket universe though).
    , @Hu Mi Yu
    ‘Muslims won’t win against the West’

    Note that the interviewee and the text both speak of "billions" of euros. He says at one point that he speaks of "British billions". Readers here may not be aware that a historical British billion (million million) is an American trillion (thousand million). I believe the British avoid this usage today because of the confusion, and the speaker's English is not up to date.
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  4. FKA Max says: • Website
    @FKA Max
    Turkey's Muslim Influence in Austria - CBN.com

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wjof5hH90yo

    Published on Apr 6, 2010

    The Turks are exercising their influence through immigration and mosque building in Vienna and other Austrian cities and towns... The Christian Broadcasting Network CBN

    Political and religious tensions are rising in the Europe, and reaching a boiling point.

    I have been commenting quite a bit on this topic over the last several days.

    Erdogan's actions have completely changed the mood in Europe and in the West, and forever altered the ideological structure/underpinnings of the European Union, in my opinion.

    We have truly arrived in the age of the ``Clash of Civilizations'', now, I feel. It cannot be denied, anymore, by the media, etc.

    Austria is the canary in the coal mine.

    Without Erdogan flooding Europe with Syrian War refugees and ISIS fighters, etc., I don’t think Trump would have been elected president or BREXIT would have happened.

    A few years ago George Friedman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Friedman predicted World War 3 would take place between Turkey (Sunni Islam) and Poland (Catholic Christianity).

    I tended to dismiss this scenario and idea, but not so much anymore.
     
    - http://www.unz.com/jpetras/the-middle-east-pivot/#comment-2050307

    I think the prayer actions we are seeing in Poland are the beginning of this transformation of the E.U. from a secular institution into a more religious/Roman Catholic institution.
     
    - http://www.unz.com/jpetras/the-middle-east-pivot/#comment-2050404

    What is basically emerging is the European Union Otto von Habsburg envisioned
    [...]
    This development will help slow the “Islamization” of Europe, but it will make the European Union more authoritarian, militaristic and less technocratic, further weaken the secular forces in Turkey, which will make a confrontation, military or otherwise, between Sunni Islam (Turkey, et al. ) and Catholic Christianity (Vatican, Poland, et al.), much more likely, in my opinion.
     
    - http://www.unz.com/jpetras/the-middle-east-pivot/#comment-2051317

    Many Turks believe Erdogan will bring new Ottoman Empire | DW English

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9Qm5CZEKPI

    Published on Sep 15, 2017

    Many Turks believe President Recip Tayyip Erdogan has renewed their sense of national pride, which they feel is closely tied to Islam. Others think he is a dictator bent on destroying the secularism brought by Turkey's first president, Kemal Atatürk.

    (I can’t resist here recycling the old joke about Austrians being the smartest people in the world, because they’ve convinced the rest of us that Hitler was German and Beethoven was Austrian.)

    Otto von Habsburg must be the smartest one of them all ;-)

    On the 2008 anniversary of the Anschluss,[56][57][58][59][60] Otto von Habsburg made a very controversial statement, as part of his “1938 Remembrance Day” address before Parliament that “there is no country in Europe that has a better claim to be a victim of the Nazis than Austria”.[61]
    [...]
    Otto von Habsburg was also quoted as saying that “a discussion as to whether Austria was an accomplice or a victim is an outrage”.[64]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_von_Habsburg#Political_career

    This is what he had to say about Muslims:

    Dr. Otto von Habsburg on Muslims and Christians in Europe

    [MORE]

    I have heard the claim before, which makes sense to me, that the reason David Irving was imprisoned in Austria and was dealt such a relatively severe sentence for thinking and spreading “bad thoughts” was that the Austrians had/have a guilty conscience because they had/have not confronted their NS past and crimes sufficiently, yet.

    On 11 November 2005, the Austrian police in the southern state of Styria, acting under the 1989 warrant, arrested Irving.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Irving#Life_after_libel_suit

    At that time the legal dispute over the rightful ownership of the famous Gustav Klimt paintings was also going on. Maybe Irving was imprisoned to distract from that corruption and embarrassment?

    Schoenberg gave evidence before them in September 2005 and, in January 2006, they delivered their judgement. They stated that five of the six paintings in question should be returned to the Bloch-Bauer estate, as outlined in Ferdinand’s will; only the Portrait of Amalie Zuckerkandl was to be retained by the gallery.
    [...]
    The paintings were exported from Austria in March 2006 and exhibited together at the Los Angeles County Museum of Art from April to June that year.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portrait_of_Adele_Bloch-Bauer_I#1945.E2.80.93present

    Art of the Heist: The Lady In Gold

    A film on the recovery of the Bloch-Bauer Klimt paintings by Maria Altmann in 2006. Electric Sky, Nigel Janes Director/Producer.

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    • Replies: @FKA Max

    18. SOUNDBITE: (English) David Irving, British Historian: "For me to be standing here on trial for an opinion I expressed 16 years ago as a historian is ridiculous and for Austria to try and pretend it is not a Nazi state in doing so is ridiculous."
     
    British historian convicted of denying the Holocaust, sentenced to 3 years

    https://youtu.be/jvvfQyxzot8?t=1m44s

    David Irving arrest in Austria.

    https://youtu.be/JkPjEDtVMIg?t=5m50s

    Analysis of the arrest of David Irving in Austria on the Michael Coren Show (CTS TV in Canada - Dec. 16/05).
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  5. It was nice to get good news on immigration restrictions for once. Let’s see if the Austrians and the other Central Europeans can stand up to EU economic pressure.

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    Time for a customs union, a military alliance, a common border wall and border guard project, and a common cultural front among Austria, Poland, Slovakia, Czech Republic, and Hungary.

    Even Bavaria, as Germany is overran by Muslims and the Bundeslaender (federal States) who wish to survive simply secede. How formidable will Germany be with a 25% Muslim Turk/Arab/African population and the loss of Bavaria?

    Same for Venice and Sicily seceding as Italy is conclusively overtaken by Islam and they refuse to go along for the ride.

    With the U.K. leaving the EU - and Germany catching up to France in the race to submit to Islamic abuse, indoctrination, degradation, surveillance, fear, ignorance, and poverty - who exactly do the central and Eastern Europeans have to fear in the big bad EU?

    The militaries of France and Germany and Spain are pathetically small and ill-equipped, what are they going to do when Slavs et al. refuse to be led to their doom?

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  6. El Dato says:
    @FKA Max
    Typo; one *the* too many: Political and religious tensions are rising in *[]* Europe, and reaching a boiling point.

    Turkey calls Austria 'racist'

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ru-OYRTE6Qg

    Published on Aug 5, 2016

    Prophetic... from 2010, the late Udo Ulfkotte https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Udo_Ulfkotte

    'Muslims won't win against the West'

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgNPaL9CllI

    Published on Oct 24, 2010

    We need to build robots looking like Arnold Schwarzie, walking around wearing raybans, wielding heavy guns and making dogs nervous, faster than we deliquesce.

    Or maybe send them back in time after meltdown (that is unlikely to be possible in this pocket universe though).

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  7. Rich says:
    @saturn
    Another uninformed idiot: the Muslims and the Nazis worked closely together during WWII, not to mention that the Nazis are socialists like him. I guess it is projection as he is the Nazi.

    Both the Allies and the Axis powers had allies in Muslim countries.

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  8. Hu Mi Yu says:
    @FKA Max
    Typo; one *the* too many: Political and religious tensions are rising in *[]* Europe, and reaching a boiling point.

    Turkey calls Austria 'racist'

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ru-OYRTE6Qg

    Published on Aug 5, 2016

    Prophetic... from 2010, the late Udo Ulfkotte https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Udo_Ulfkotte

    'Muslims won't win against the West'

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgNPaL9CllI

    Published on Oct 24, 2010

    ‘Muslims won’t win against the West’

    Note that the interviewee and the text both speak of “billions” of euros. He says at one point that he speaks of “British billions”. Readers here may not be aware that a historical British billion (million million) is an American trillion (thousand million). I believe the British avoid this usage today because of the confusion, and the speaker’s English is not up to date.

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    Thank you for clarifying/pointing this out.

    Mr. Ulfkotte also spoke about, I am paraphrasing, the ``'86er generation leftists'' in this interview, but he actually meant it to say/mean ``'68er generation leftists'' in English: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_student_movement

    This has to do with Germans reading/saying numbers from back to front or right to left.

    Why do German speakers read numbers from "right to left" ?

    https://www.quora.com/Why-do-German-speakers-read-numbers-from-right-to-left

    Mr. Ulfkotte was a master-level Denglisch/Genglish speaker: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denglisch

    All about Denglisch! #1

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHZOAmRg8iA

    , @Hu Mi Yu
    Unfortunately I was interrupted during editing, and what I posted is not quite right.
    British billion is a million million, an American billion is a thousand million, and an American trillion is the same as a British billion.

    This has its roots in the American revolution when the Americans adopted the French system for large numbers, while the British borrowed words from German. Anyone with only a basic reading knowledge of any of these languages can be fooled. Best to avoid the terms "billion" and "trillion" entirely when writing for an international audience such as UR. Unambiguous alternatives include "thousand million" and scientific prefixes such as giga- (for thousand million) and tera- (for million million).
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  9. dearieme says:

    “Readers here may not be aware that a historical British billion (million million) is an American trillion …”

    The old “British” billion wan’t specifically British, it was used throughout Europe. The thousand million was called a “milliard” though I admit I never heard it used in Britain outside school. In Britain the custom changed when the politicians swapped to using the American billion for the national budget. Fortunately we didn’t swap to the little American gallon or little American ton or to American kitchen measurements since we had half-converted to metric measure anyway.

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    The old “British” billion wan’t specifically British, it was used throughout Europe.
     
    Not in France. See my correction in a reply to my own post.
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  10. Wally says: • Website

    And what exactly was it that “the Muslims & Nazis worked closely together” on?

    This should be good.
    I sense more Pavlovian barking.

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    There were the ‘Nazis’ with the impossible ƌM Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ and there were the ‘Nazis’ without the impossible ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’.

    The ƌM Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:

    http://codoh.com

    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com

    “Some stories are true that never happened.”
    - Elie Wiesel

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  11. SMK says: • Website
    @saturn
    Another uninformed idiot: the Muslims and the Nazis worked closely together during WWII, not to mention that the Nazis are socialists like him. I guess it is projection as he is the Nazi.

    Savor the irony and absurdity: Austrians and Germans and other Europeans who oppose an invasion of Muslims, the worst Jew-haters on earth, are “Nazis.” Do Jews actually believe they’ll be batter off when France, Germany, the UK, Sweden, etc. become Muslim-Majority countries with large minorities of non-Muslim black Africans?

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  12. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Yet another wonderful RadioDerb, I look forward to every episode.

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  13. Mouren says:

    The SPÖ ran an extremely dirty campaign attacking Kurz personally, paying half a million Euro for fake antisemitic Kurz fanpages on Facebook, so I think it is not very likely that Kurz will decide to form a coalition government with them.

    The FPÖ and its voters have been called Nazi so often and for so long that the word has basically lost all meaning in this context in Austria. Recall that there were even EU sanctions on Austria the last time the FPÖ made it into the government, there is no such talk this time.

    The best part of this election is not so much who won, but who lost, as the far-left, open borders, SJW Green party did not even make it into Parliament for the first time in decades. If nothing else, that should be cause for celebration.

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    I wonder if Kurz can arrange a new presidential election so they can get of the current totally-not-a-mad-communist.

    Wikipedia says:

    "The president is a plenipotentiary authorized to rule by emergency decree in times of crisis."

    And

    "The president can, and frequently does, pardon criminals."

    This might be a necessary step to really do something about the migration problem.

    Funny, btw, that the Greens lost all their seats but a splinter group from the Greens (Liste Peter Pilz) won 8 seats. He broke with the party because they wouldn't let him be number 4 from the top on their electoral list (which would almost guarantee him a seat in parliament).
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  14. FKA Max says: • Website
    @Hu Mi Yu
    ‘Muslims won’t win against the West’

    Note that the interviewee and the text both speak of "billions" of euros. He says at one point that he speaks of "British billions". Readers here may not be aware that a historical British billion (million million) is an American trillion (thousand million). I believe the British avoid this usage today because of the confusion, and the speaker's English is not up to date.

    Thank you for clarifying/pointing this out.

    Mr. Ulfkotte also spoke about, I am paraphrasing, the “’86er generation leftists” in this interview, but he actually meant it to say/mean “’68er generation leftists” in English: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_student_movement

    This has to do with Germans reading/saying numbers from back to front or right to left.

    Why do German speakers read numbers from “right to left” ?

    https://www.quora.com/Why-do-German-speakers-read-numbers-from-right-to-left

    Mr. Ulfkotte was a master-level Denglisch/Genglish speaker: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denglisch

    All about Denglisch! #1

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    Thanks for the info. Here in my corner of the USA we speak Espanglish.
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  15. @saturn
    Another uninformed idiot: the Muslims and the Nazis worked closely together during WWII, not to mention that the Nazis are socialists like him. I guess it is projection as he is the Nazi.

    Argh. No moron. Hitler was a national socialist. There is a huge difference. The nazis and the Muslims worked together because they wanted their own territories free from British rule and the Jewish bankers. In fact of you actually learnt history about Hitler you’d realise that if he were around today he’d be fighting for the banning of these third world scum in Europe and the communists. Go get dejewed from the Jewish lies you have been told

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  16. Austria: 25 Per Cent Rise in Sex Attacks, Almost Half Committed by Migrants.

    The statistics say the thing the headline says they say. “

    Well, actually, the headline implies that migrants make up half of the rise, but in reality migrants make up half of all attacks, so if the headline really said the thing the statistics say, it would read,

    Austria: Sex Attacks by Natives Fell Sharply, but Migrants Bring Big Rape.

    Just another case of immigrants doing the jobs natives are too lazy to do.

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  17. Hu Mi Yu says:
    @Hu Mi Yu
    ‘Muslims won’t win against the West’

    Note that the interviewee and the text both speak of "billions" of euros. He says at one point that he speaks of "British billions". Readers here may not be aware that a historical British billion (million million) is an American trillion (thousand million). I believe the British avoid this usage today because of the confusion, and the speaker's English is not up to date.

    Unfortunately I was interrupted during editing, and what I posted is not quite right.
    British billion is a million million, an American billion is a thousand million, and an American trillion is the same as a British billion.

    This has its roots in the American revolution when the Americans adopted the French system for large numbers, while the British borrowed words from German. Anyone with only a basic reading knowledge of any of these languages can be fooled. Best to avoid the terms “billion” and “trillion” entirely when writing for an international audience such as UR. Unambiguous alternatives include “thousand million” and scientific prefixes such as giga- (for thousand million) and tera- (for million million).

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  18. Hu Mi Yu says:
    @dearieme
    "Readers here may not be aware that a historical British billion (million million) is an American trillion ..."

    The old "British" billion wan't specifically British, it was used throughout Europe. The thousand million was called a "milliard" though I admit I never heard it used in Britain outside school. In Britain the custom changed when the politicians swapped to using the American billion for the national budget. Fortunately we didn't swap to the little American gallon or little American ton or to American kitchen measurements since we had half-converted to metric measure anyway.

    The old “British” billion wan’t specifically British, it was used throughout Europe.

    Not in France. See my correction in a reply to my own post.

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  19. Hu Mi Yu says:
    @FKA Max
    Thank you for clarifying/pointing this out.

    Mr. Ulfkotte also spoke about, I am paraphrasing, the ``'86er generation leftists'' in this interview, but he actually meant it to say/mean ``'68er generation leftists'' in English: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_student_movement

    This has to do with Germans reading/saying numbers from back to front or right to left.

    Why do German speakers read numbers from "right to left" ?

    https://www.quora.com/Why-do-German-speakers-read-numbers-from-right-to-left

    Mr. Ulfkotte was a master-level Denglisch/Genglish speaker: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denglisch

    All about Denglisch! #1

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHZOAmRg8iA

    Thanks for the info. Here in my corner of the USA we speak Espanglish.

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  20. @Mouren
    The SPÖ ran an extremely dirty campaign attacking Kurz personally, paying half a million Euro for fake antisemitic Kurz fanpages on Facebook, so I think it is not very likely that Kurz will decide to form a coalition government with them.

    The FPÖ and its voters have been called Nazi so often and for so long that the word has basically lost all meaning in this context in Austria. Recall that there were even EU sanctions on Austria the last time the FPÖ made it into the government, there is no such talk this time.

    The best part of this election is not so much who won, but who lost, as the far-left, open borders, SJW Green party did not even make it into Parliament for the first time in decades. If nothing else, that should be cause for celebration.

    I wonder if Kurz can arrange a new presidential election so they can get of the current totally-not-a-mad-communist.

    Wikipedia says:

    “The president is a plenipotentiary authorized to rule by emergency decree in times of crisis.”

    And

    “The president can, and frequently does, pardon criminals.”

    This might be a necessary step to really do something about the migration problem.

    Funny, btw, that the Greens lost all their seats but a splinter group from the Greens (Liste Peter Pilz) won 8 seats. He broke with the party because they wouldn’t let him be number 4 from the top on their electoral list (which would almost guarantee him a seat in parliament).

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  21. @Diversity Heretic
    It was nice to get good news on immigration restrictions for once. Let's see if the Austrians and the other Central Europeans can stand up to EU economic pressure.

    Time for a customs union, a military alliance, a common border wall and border guard project, and a common cultural front among Austria, Poland, Slovakia, Czech Republic, and Hungary.

    Even Bavaria, as Germany is overran by Muslims and the Bundeslaender (federal States) who wish to survive simply secede. How formidable will Germany be with a 25% Muslim Turk/Arab/African population and the loss of Bavaria?

    Same for Venice and Sicily seceding as Italy is conclusively overtaken by Islam and they refuse to go along for the ride.

    With the U.K. leaving the EU – and Germany catching up to France in the race to submit to Islamic abuse, indoctrination, degradation, surveillance, fear, ignorance, and poverty – who exactly do the central and Eastern Europeans have to fear in the big bad EU?

    The militaries of France and Germany and Spain are pathetically small and ill-equipped, what are they going to do when Slavs et al. refuse to be led to their doom?

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    Agreed mostly (not completely).
    Maybe Bavaria, maybe Croatia, who knows.

    How right wing/Catholic is Northern Italy?

    Elites are still postponing Brexit, and who knows, they may ignore the votes.

    French army is decent, (ya weird to say I know).
    However, France and Germany have numbers.
    Slavic people are not united, although they should improve relations. And it wont happen in the current situation.

    Then comes US into the mix. They have influence in around Europe with troops and CIA.
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  22. FKA Max says: • Website
    @FKA Max

    (I can’t resist here recycling the old joke about Austrians being the smartest people in the world, because they’ve convinced the rest of us that Hitler was German and Beethoven was Austrian.)
     
    Otto von Habsburg must be the smartest one of them all ;-)

    On the 2008 anniversary of the Anschluss,[56][57][58][59][60] Otto von Habsburg made a very controversial statement, as part of his "1938 Remembrance Day" address before Parliament that "there is no country in Europe that has a better claim to be a victim of the Nazis than Austria".[61]
    [...]
    Otto von Habsburg was also quoted as saying that "a discussion as to whether Austria was an accomplice or a victim is an outrage".[64]
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_von_Habsburg#Political_career

    This is what he had to say about Muslims:

    Dr. Otto von Habsburg on Muslims and Christians in Europe

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC9o_Z6L7Jo

    I have heard the claim before, which makes sense to me, that the reason David Irving was imprisoned in Austria and was dealt such a relatively severe sentence for thinking and spreading ``bad thoughts'' was that the Austrians had/have a guilty conscience because they had/have not confronted their NS past and crimes sufficiently, yet.

    On 11 November 2005, the Austrian police in the southern state of Styria, acting under the 1989 warrant, arrested Irving.
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Irving#Life_after_libel_suit

    At that time the legal dispute over the rightful ownership of the famous Gustav Klimt paintings was also going on. Maybe Irving was imprisoned to distract from that corruption and embarrassment?

    Schoenberg gave evidence before them in September 2005 and, in January 2006, they delivered their judgement. They stated that five of the six paintings in question should be returned to the Bloch-Bauer estate, as outlined in Ferdinand's will; only the Portrait of Amalie Zuckerkandl was to be retained by the gallery.
    [...]
    The paintings were exported from Austria in March 2006 and exhibited together at the Los Angeles County Museum of Art from April to June that year.
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portrait_of_Adele_Bloch-Bauer_I#1945.E2.80.93present

    Art of the Heist: The Lady In Gold

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ifi3FMtF8uQ

    A film on the recovery of the Bloch-Bauer Klimt paintings by Maria Altmann in 2006. Electric Sky, Nigel Janes Director/Producer.

    18. SOUNDBITE: (English) David Irving, British Historian: “For me to be standing here on trial for an opinion I expressed 16 years ago as a historian is ridiculous and for Austria to try and pretend it is not a Nazi state in doing so is ridiculous.”

    British historian convicted of denying the Holocaust, sentenced to 3 years

    David Irving arrest in Austria.

    Analysis of the arrest of David Irving in Austria on the Michael Coren Show (CTS TV in Canada – Dec. 16/05).

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  23. FKA Max says: • Website
    @FKA Max
    Turkey's Muslim Influence in Austria - CBN.com

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wjof5hH90yo

    Published on Apr 6, 2010

    The Turks are exercising their influence through immigration and mosque building in Vienna and other Austrian cities and towns... The Christian Broadcasting Network CBN

    Political and religious tensions are rising in the Europe, and reaching a boiling point.

    I have been commenting quite a bit on this topic over the last several days.

    Erdogan's actions have completely changed the mood in Europe and in the West, and forever altered the ideological structure/underpinnings of the European Union, in my opinion.

    We have truly arrived in the age of the ``Clash of Civilizations'', now, I feel. It cannot be denied, anymore, by the media, etc.

    Austria is the canary in the coal mine.

    Without Erdogan flooding Europe with Syrian War refugees and ISIS fighters, etc., I don’t think Trump would have been elected president or BREXIT would have happened.

    A few years ago George Friedman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Friedman predicted World War 3 would take place between Turkey (Sunni Islam) and Poland (Catholic Christianity).

    I tended to dismiss this scenario and idea, but not so much anymore.
     
    - http://www.unz.com/jpetras/the-middle-east-pivot/#comment-2050307

    I think the prayer actions we are seeing in Poland are the beginning of this transformation of the E.U. from a secular institution into a more religious/Roman Catholic institution.
     
    - http://www.unz.com/jpetras/the-middle-east-pivot/#comment-2050404

    What is basically emerging is the European Union Otto von Habsburg envisioned
    [...]
    This development will help slow the “Islamization” of Europe, but it will make the European Union more authoritarian, militaristic and less technocratic, further weaken the secular forces in Turkey, which will make a confrontation, military or otherwise, between Sunni Islam (Turkey, et al. ) and Catholic Christianity (Vatican, Poland, et al.), much more likely, in my opinion.
     
    - http://www.unz.com/jpetras/the-middle-east-pivot/#comment-2051317

    Many Turks believe Erdogan will bring new Ottoman Empire | DW English

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9Qm5CZEKPI

    Published on Sep 15, 2017

    Many Turks believe President Recip Tayyip Erdogan has renewed their sense of national pride, which they feel is closely tied to Islam. Others think he is a dictator bent on destroying the secularism brought by Turkey's first president, Kemal Atatürk.

    This is the flag of the Paneuropean Union, which was headed by Otto von Habsburg for many years:

    While working on behalf of the emerging European Community in the west, he continued through the height of the Cold War to do what he could for the nations trapped in the Soviet Bloc. He stood by the beleaguered Cardinal Mindszenty before and after the Hungarian Uprising in 1956. He encouraged the first glints of light as the Soviet Empire began to falter.

    http://www.insidethevatican.com/articles/otto-von-habsburg.htm

    Even for Churchill the Paneuropean Union was too Christian/Catholic right-wing, it seems:

    In 1947, the group formed around Duncan Sandys, Winston Churchill, Edvard Beneš and others splited into newly formed European Movement in opposition of Union’s strong Christian right.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paneuropean_Union

    This was proved only three years later (1949) when another pillar of the Catholic Church—i.e. Cardinal Mindszenty of Hungary—having planned to overthrow the Hungarian Government, reckoned on the military intervention of the “right” kind of Allies. Such intervention would have meant general war, and hence the use of atomic bombs. Cardinal Mindszenty had acted on the assumption that the overthrow of the Hungarian Government, with the consequent “restoration of the Hungarian Catholic Monarchy of Hapsburg in its place, could be achieved with help from abroad…in case a new world war created such a situation,” to quote his own words.[5] “I regarded it (the outbreak of the third world war) as a basis,” said the Cardinal. Mindszenty could well think and act in this fashion, in the comforting knowledge that behind him stood the Vatican, bent upon furthering its vast political schemes, on the assumption of a third world conflict. Vatican political post-war designs had precisely that “as a basis.”

    http://www.reformation.org/holoc10.html

    Cardinal Mindszenty was a CIA asset, and I assume Otto von Habsburg was also closely associated with the CIA: The Cardinal had been designated a key part in a “successful insurrection.” That is, he had been appointed jointly by Pius XII, the Hungarian insurrectionists and the CIA as “Premier” of Liberated Hungary.http://www.reformation.org/holoc21.html

    This (re-)emerging European Union is basically a bigger and more ambitious version of the (Roman Catholic) Austro-Hungarian Empire.

    Make Austria Great Again — the rapid rise of Sebastian Kurz

    “What does he want? The Hapsburg empire back again?”

    http://www.dw.com/en/make-austria-great-again-the-rapid-rise-of-sebastian-kurz/a-40313720

    As said above, this development is a doubled-edged sword. One the one hand, continental Europe and the European Union are becoming more right-wing Roman Catholic, but on the other hand right-wing Roman Catholics are the most experienced fighters and best defense and bulwark against incursions of radical Islam into Europe.

    Time will tell, how all this plays out.

    Visualizing Values Mismatch in the European Union

    http://peterturchin.com/cliodynamica/visualizing-values-mismatch-in-the-european-union/

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    Good articles on the dynamics of this situation, from 2016:

    Vienna's Right Hopes to Reunite Austro-Hungarian Successors Within EU

    https://sputniknews.com/europe/201608301044769386-austrian-mini-union-proposal-commentary/

    and from 2015, disregard the Bible prophecy parts:

    Watch Europe for a Revival of the Holy Roman Empire

    Brendan Simms is a historian and a professor of history at Cambridge University. In 2013, he wrote an article in the New York Times titled “The Ghosts of Europe’s Past.” “The cheerleaders of the European Union like to think of it as an entirely new phenomenon, born of the horrors of two world wars,” he wrote. “But in fact it closely resembles a formation that many Europeans thought they had long since left to the dustbin of history: the Holy Roman Empire …” (June 9, 2013).

    Not all Europeans, however, confined the Holy Roman Empire to the dustbin of history. Here is how Otto von Habsburg, a descendant of that famous line of European royalty, put it in 1989: “The [European] Community is living largely by the heritage of the Holy Roman Empire, though the great majority of the people who live by it don’t know by what heritage they live.”

    These are important words from an important man. Together with other leading figures such as Konrad Adenauer, Robert Schuman and Jean Monnet, this man built the European Community, which today we call the European Union. Habsburg died in 2011. He was a descendant of the Habsburg line of European royalty and former crown prince of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. He was one of the leading architects of modern Europe—and his statement discloses the vision that underpins modern Europe.
     
    - https://www.thetrumpet.com/12954-watch-europe-for-a-revival-of-the-holy-roman-empire
    , @polskijoe
    Thats because Churchill was a Freemason (I forget which type).
    As an Anglo and Freemason of course he thought right wing Catholic Europe was a problem.

    Hence Pan Europa was silenced and replaced with some European Movement with more Liberal values?

    The situation today is different. After 1960s the Catholic movement was more quiet in Europe,
    even in US (all Christianity) was started fall.

    During Reagan years there was significant Catholic influence, along with JPII.

    And then the Neocons replaced them.
    , @FKA Max
    More confirmation:

    Catholics like the European Union more than Protestants do. This is why.

    After the financial crisis and the refugee crisis, for example, support for the E.U. went down among Catholics rather significantly, whereas among Protestants in more prosperous areas, those attitudes didn’t decline very much. Still, Catholics remain more supportive of the E.U. than Protestants. In the past, among Catholics, the more religious you were, the stronger you supported the E.U. And that’s been true until very recently when some traditionalist Catholics have begun to rebel against the E.U. because of its liberal social policies.
    [...]
    So Catholics have always been very comfortable, even if subconsciously, with the notion of supranational governance.

    After the Reformation, Protestants, on the other hand, attempted to carve out areas of religious liberty and caught on to the notion of the nation state.
    [...]
    In Germany and the Netherlands, which have mixed confessional cultures, it’s the Protestants that are, if not overtly resisting the process, certainly trying to shape it in a less federal direction.

     

    - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/01/12/protestants-dont-like-the-european-union-compared-to-catholics-this-is-why/?utm_term=.e1ec1c2bcece

    This rebelling of traditionalist/conservative Catholics is what got Sebastian Kurz elected, in my opinion.

    I believe this difference in religious attitudes regarding the E.U. is important to point out, because it is often, wrongly, assumed that all populist/nationalist movements and parties in the E.U. are successful because their voters supposedly most care about leaving the E.U., when that, in fact, is, mostly, only the case in historically majority Protestant nations.

    But beneath his slick image lies a conservative Roman Catholic whose views often overlap with those of the far-right Freedom Party (FPO), which accuses him of stealing its ideas.
     
    - http://www.euronews.com/2017/10/16/sebastian-kurz-the-man-set-to-become-the-world-s-youngest-national-leader

    https://mrgrayhistory.wikispaces.com/file/view/Reformation_-_Europe_Religions.gif/245542815/671x561/Reformation_-_Europe_Religions.gif

    Source: https://mrgrayhistory.wikispaces.com/UNIT+11+-+THE+REFORMATION?responseToken=7d6a39f439d876aab6d8b8be9e53d419
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    @FKA Max
    This is the flag of the Paneuropean Union, which was headed by Otto von Habsburg for many years:

    http://www.insidethevatican.com/images/peu-flag.jpg


    While working on behalf of the emerging European Community in the west, he continued through the height of the Cold War to do what he could for the nations trapped in the Soviet Bloc. He stood by the beleaguered Cardinal Mindszenty before and after the Hungarian Uprising in 1956. He encouraged the first glints of light as the Soviet Empire began to falter.
     
    - http://www.insidethevatican.com/articles/otto-von-habsburg.htm

    Even for Churchill the Paneuropean Union was too Christian/Catholic right-wing, it seems:


    In 1947, the group formed around Duncan Sandys, Winston Churchill, Edvard Beneš and others splited into newly formed European Movement in opposition of Union's strong Christian right.
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paneuropean_Union

    This was proved only three years later (1949) when another pillar of the Catholic Church—i.e. Cardinal Mindszenty of Hungary—having planned to overthrow the Hungarian Government, reckoned on the military intervention of the "right" kind of Allies. Such intervention would have meant general war, and hence the use of atomic bombs. Cardinal Mindszenty had acted on the assumption that the overthrow of the Hungarian Government, with the consequent "restoration of the Hungarian Catholic Monarchy of Hapsburg in its place, could be achieved with help from abroad...in case a new world war created such a situation," to quote his own words.[5] "I regarded it (the outbreak of the third world war) as a basis," said the Cardinal. Mindszenty could well think and act in this fashion, in the comforting knowledge that behind him stood the Vatican, bent upon furthering its vast political schemes, on the assumption of a third world conflict. Vatican political post-war designs had precisely that "as a basis."
     
    - http://www.reformation.org/holoc10.html

    Cardinal Mindszenty was a CIA asset, and I assume Otto von Habsburg was also closely associated with the CIA: The Cardinal had been designated a key part in a "successful insurrection." That is, he had been appointed jointly by Pius XII, the Hungarian insurrectionists and the CIA as "Premier" of Liberated Hungary. - http://www.reformation.org/holoc21.html

    This (re-)emerging European Union is basically a bigger and more ambitious version of the (Roman Catholic) Austro-Hungarian Empire.

    Make Austria Great Again — the rapid rise of Sebastian Kurz


    "What does he want? The Hapsburg empire back again?"
     
    - http://www.dw.com/en/make-austria-great-again-the-rapid-rise-of-sebastian-kurz/a-40313720

    As said above, this development is a doubled-edged sword. One the one hand, continental Europe and the European Union are becoming more right-wing Roman Catholic, but on the other hand right-wing Roman Catholics are the most experienced fighters and best defense and bulwark against incursions of radical Islam into Europe.

    Time will tell, how all this plays out.

    Visualizing Values Mismatch in the European Union

    http://peterturchin.com/cliodynamica/visualizing-values-mismatch-in-the-european-union/

    http://www.worldvaluessurvey.org/images/Cultural_map_WVS6_2015.jpg

    Good articles on the dynamics of this situation, from 2016:

    Vienna’s Right Hopes to Reunite Austro-Hungarian Successors Within EU

    https://sputniknews.com/europe/201608301044769386-austrian-mini-union-proposal-commentary/

    and from 2015, disregard the Bible prophecy parts:

    Watch Europe for a Revival of the Holy Roman Empire

    Brendan Simms is a historian and a professor of history at Cambridge University. In 2013, he wrote an article in the New York Times titled “The Ghosts of Europe’s Past.” “The cheerleaders of the European Union like to think of it as an entirely new phenomenon, born of the horrors of two world wars,” he wrote. “But in fact it closely resembles a formation that many Europeans thought they had long since left to the dustbin of history: the Holy Roman Empire …” (June 9, 2013).

    Not all Europeans, however, confined the Holy Roman Empire to the dustbin of history. Here is how Otto von Habsburg, a descendant of that famous line of European royalty, put it in 1989: “The [European] Community is living largely by the heritage of the Holy Roman Empire, though the great majority of the people who live by it don’t know by what heritage they live.”

    These are important words from an important man. Together with other leading figures such as Konrad Adenauer, Robert Schuman and Jean Monnet, this man built the European Community, which today we call the European Union. Habsburg died in 2011. He was a descendant of the Habsburg line of European royalty and former crown prince of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. He was one of the leading architects of modern Europe—and his statement discloses the vision that underpins modern Europe.

    https://www.thetrumpet.com/12954-watch-europe-for-a-revival-of-the-holy-roman-empire

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  25. polskijoe says:
    @RadicalCenter
    Time for a customs union, a military alliance, a common border wall and border guard project, and a common cultural front among Austria, Poland, Slovakia, Czech Republic, and Hungary.

    Even Bavaria, as Germany is overran by Muslims and the Bundeslaender (federal States) who wish to survive simply secede. How formidable will Germany be with a 25% Muslim Turk/Arab/African population and the loss of Bavaria?

    Same for Venice and Sicily seceding as Italy is conclusively overtaken by Islam and they refuse to go along for the ride.

    With the U.K. leaving the EU - and Germany catching up to France in the race to submit to Islamic abuse, indoctrination, degradation, surveillance, fear, ignorance, and poverty - who exactly do the central and Eastern Europeans have to fear in the big bad EU?

    The militaries of France and Germany and Spain are pathetically small and ill-equipped, what are they going to do when Slavs et al. refuse to be led to their doom?

    Agreed mostly (not completely).
    Maybe Bavaria, maybe Croatia, who knows.

    How right wing/Catholic is Northern Italy?

    Elites are still postponing Brexit, and who knows, they may ignore the votes.

    French army is decent, (ya weird to say I know).
    However, France and Germany have numbers.
    Slavic people are not united, although they should improve relations. And it wont happen in the current situation.

    Then comes US into the mix. They have influence in around Europe with troops and CIA.

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  26. polskijoe says:
    @FKA Max
    This is the flag of the Paneuropean Union, which was headed by Otto von Habsburg for many years:

    http://www.insidethevatican.com/images/peu-flag.jpg


    While working on behalf of the emerging European Community in the west, he continued through the height of the Cold War to do what he could for the nations trapped in the Soviet Bloc. He stood by the beleaguered Cardinal Mindszenty before and after the Hungarian Uprising in 1956. He encouraged the first glints of light as the Soviet Empire began to falter.
     
    - http://www.insidethevatican.com/articles/otto-von-habsburg.htm

    Even for Churchill the Paneuropean Union was too Christian/Catholic right-wing, it seems:


    In 1947, the group formed around Duncan Sandys, Winston Churchill, Edvard Beneš and others splited into newly formed European Movement in opposition of Union's strong Christian right.
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paneuropean_Union

    This was proved only three years later (1949) when another pillar of the Catholic Church—i.e. Cardinal Mindszenty of Hungary—having planned to overthrow the Hungarian Government, reckoned on the military intervention of the "right" kind of Allies. Such intervention would have meant general war, and hence the use of atomic bombs. Cardinal Mindszenty had acted on the assumption that the overthrow of the Hungarian Government, with the consequent "restoration of the Hungarian Catholic Monarchy of Hapsburg in its place, could be achieved with help from abroad...in case a new world war created such a situation," to quote his own words.[5] "I regarded it (the outbreak of the third world war) as a basis," said the Cardinal. Mindszenty could well think and act in this fashion, in the comforting knowledge that behind him stood the Vatican, bent upon furthering its vast political schemes, on the assumption of a third world conflict. Vatican political post-war designs had precisely that "as a basis."
     
    - http://www.reformation.org/holoc10.html

    Cardinal Mindszenty was a CIA asset, and I assume Otto von Habsburg was also closely associated with the CIA: The Cardinal had been designated a key part in a "successful insurrection." That is, he had been appointed jointly by Pius XII, the Hungarian insurrectionists and the CIA as "Premier" of Liberated Hungary. - http://www.reformation.org/holoc21.html

    This (re-)emerging European Union is basically a bigger and more ambitious version of the (Roman Catholic) Austro-Hungarian Empire.

    Make Austria Great Again — the rapid rise of Sebastian Kurz


    "What does he want? The Hapsburg empire back again?"
     
    - http://www.dw.com/en/make-austria-great-again-the-rapid-rise-of-sebastian-kurz/a-40313720

    As said above, this development is a doubled-edged sword. One the one hand, continental Europe and the European Union are becoming more right-wing Roman Catholic, but on the other hand right-wing Roman Catholics are the most experienced fighters and best defense and bulwark against incursions of radical Islam into Europe.

    Time will tell, how all this plays out.

    Visualizing Values Mismatch in the European Union

    http://peterturchin.com/cliodynamica/visualizing-values-mismatch-in-the-european-union/

    http://www.worldvaluessurvey.org/images/Cultural_map_WVS6_2015.jpg

    Thats because Churchill was a Freemason (I forget which type).
    As an Anglo and Freemason of course he thought right wing Catholic Europe was a problem.

    Hence Pan Europa was silenced and replaced with some European Movement with more Liberal values?

    The situation today is different. After 1960s the Catholic movement was more quiet in Europe,
    even in US (all Christianity) was started fall.

    During Reagan years there was significant Catholic influence, along with JPII.

    And then the Neocons replaced them.

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    Thank you very much for your feedback.

    The situation today is different. After 1960s the Catholic movement was more quiet in Europe,
    [...]
    During Reagan years there was significant Catholic influence, along with JPII.
     
    The situation is very different today, you are correct. With the United Kingdom leaving the European Union, the Union is about to lose 30 million Protestants and 16 million religiously unaffiliated persons https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_Kingdom#Statistics :

    http://www.churchpop.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/protestants-in-europe.png

    Source: https://churchpop.com/2014/10/09/10-maps-religion-europe/

    , while having gained probably over 50 million new Catholics since the 2004 enlargement: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_enlargement_of_the_European_Union#Impact

    Central European major Christian denomination is Catholicism (map) as well as large Protestant populations

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/37/Catholic_Church_by_Country_in_Europe.PNG/180px-Catholic_Church_by_Country_in_Europe.PNG

    Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Europe#Religion

    This is a tremendous shift in the religious/ideological makeup of the European Union.

    As Richard von Coudenhove-Kalergi put it:

    According to Coudenhove-Kalergi, Pan-Europe would encompass and extend a more flexible and more competitive Austria-Hungary, with English serving as the world language, spoken by everyone in addition to their native tongue. He believed that individualism and socialism would learn to cooperate instead of compete, and urged that capitalism and communism cross-fertilise each other just as the Protestant Reformation had spurred the Catholic Church to regenerate itself.[19]
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_von_Coudenhove-Kalergi#Pan-European_political_activist

    With the UK leaving the E.U. this possibility and potential for ideological cross fertilization within the Union will be greatly diminished and reduced, and the Catholic majority will drive European Union policy mostly unopposed/uninspired, while the remaining Protestant minority in Germany, the Netherlands and in Scandinavia will be sidelined, I am afraid.

    I used to be a supporter of the European Union before the 2004 enlargement. I think the 1995 composition was the ideal and most balanced one for the European Union. The additions after that created a disequilibrium.

    http://images.slideplayer.com/26/8594873/slides/slide_5.jpg

    Source: http://slideplayer.com/slide/8594873/

    However, there is a tremendous silver lining to all of this is as well, as Turkey will probably never be permitted to become a E.U. member, now.

    What I would like to see would be a Catholic and Protestant European Union.

    This Protestant European Union would consist of Germany, the UK, the Netherlands, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Iceland and maybe Switzerland. It would resemble the ``Hanseatic League'' and have friendly relations with Russia:

    In 1980, former Hanseatic League members established a "new Hanse" in Zwolle, the "City League The Hanse".
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanseatic_League#Modern_.22City_League_The_Hanse.22

    Hanseatic Days of New Time https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanseatic_Days_of_New_Time

    Illustrated PSE with special cancellation issued to mark 29th Hanseatic Days in Novgorod, Russia, 2009

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4a/XXIX_Hanseatic_Days_Novgorod_PSE_Russia_2009.jpg/396px-XXIX_Hanseatic_Days_Novgorod_PSE_Russia_2009.jpg
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  27. FKA Max says: • Website
    @FKA Max
    This is the flag of the Paneuropean Union, which was headed by Otto von Habsburg for many years:

    http://www.insidethevatican.com/images/peu-flag.jpg


    While working on behalf of the emerging European Community in the west, he continued through the height of the Cold War to do what he could for the nations trapped in the Soviet Bloc. He stood by the beleaguered Cardinal Mindszenty before and after the Hungarian Uprising in 1956. He encouraged the first glints of light as the Soviet Empire began to falter.
     
    - http://www.insidethevatican.com/articles/otto-von-habsburg.htm

    Even for Churchill the Paneuropean Union was too Christian/Catholic right-wing, it seems:


    In 1947, the group formed around Duncan Sandys, Winston Churchill, Edvard Beneš and others splited into newly formed European Movement in opposition of Union's strong Christian right.
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paneuropean_Union

    This was proved only three years later (1949) when another pillar of the Catholic Church—i.e. Cardinal Mindszenty of Hungary—having planned to overthrow the Hungarian Government, reckoned on the military intervention of the "right" kind of Allies. Such intervention would have meant general war, and hence the use of atomic bombs. Cardinal Mindszenty had acted on the assumption that the overthrow of the Hungarian Government, with the consequent "restoration of the Hungarian Catholic Monarchy of Hapsburg in its place, could be achieved with help from abroad...in case a new world war created such a situation," to quote his own words.[5] "I regarded it (the outbreak of the third world war) as a basis," said the Cardinal. Mindszenty could well think and act in this fashion, in the comforting knowledge that behind him stood the Vatican, bent upon furthering its vast political schemes, on the assumption of a third world conflict. Vatican political post-war designs had precisely that "as a basis."
     
    - http://www.reformation.org/holoc10.html

    Cardinal Mindszenty was a CIA asset, and I assume Otto von Habsburg was also closely associated with the CIA: The Cardinal had been designated a key part in a "successful insurrection." That is, he had been appointed jointly by Pius XII, the Hungarian insurrectionists and the CIA as "Premier" of Liberated Hungary. - http://www.reformation.org/holoc21.html

    This (re-)emerging European Union is basically a bigger and more ambitious version of the (Roman Catholic) Austro-Hungarian Empire.

    Make Austria Great Again — the rapid rise of Sebastian Kurz


    "What does he want? The Hapsburg empire back again?"
     
    - http://www.dw.com/en/make-austria-great-again-the-rapid-rise-of-sebastian-kurz/a-40313720

    As said above, this development is a doubled-edged sword. One the one hand, continental Europe and the European Union are becoming more right-wing Roman Catholic, but on the other hand right-wing Roman Catholics are the most experienced fighters and best defense and bulwark against incursions of radical Islam into Europe.

    Time will tell, how all this plays out.

    Visualizing Values Mismatch in the European Union

    http://peterturchin.com/cliodynamica/visualizing-values-mismatch-in-the-european-union/

    http://www.worldvaluessurvey.org/images/Cultural_map_WVS6_2015.jpg

    More confirmation:

    Catholics like the European Union more than Protestants do. This is why.

    After the financial crisis and the refugee crisis, for example, support for the E.U. went down among Catholics rather significantly, whereas among Protestants in more prosperous areas, those attitudes didn’t decline very much. Still, Catholics remain more supportive of the E.U. than Protestants. In the past, among Catholics, the more religious you were, the stronger you supported the E.U. And that’s been true until very recently when some traditionalist Catholics have begun to rebel against the E.U. because of its liberal social policies.
    [...]
    So Catholics have always been very comfortable, even if subconsciously, with the notion of supranational governance.

    After the Reformation, Protestants, on the other hand, attempted to carve out areas of religious liberty and caught on to the notion of the nation state.
    [...]
    In Germany and the Netherlands, which have mixed confessional cultures, it’s the Protestants that are, if not overtly resisting the process, certainly trying to shape it in a less federal direction.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/01/12/protestants-dont-like-the-european-union-compared-to-catholics-this-is-why/?utm_term=.e1ec1c2bcece

    This rebelling of traditionalist/conservative Catholics is what got Sebastian Kurz elected, in my opinion.

    I believe this difference in religious attitudes regarding the E.U. is important to point out, because it is often, wrongly, assumed that all populist/nationalist movements and parties in the E.U. are successful because their voters supposedly most care about leaving the E.U., when that, in fact, is, mostly, only the case in historically majority Protestant nations.

    But beneath his slick image lies a conservative Roman Catholic whose views often overlap with those of the far-right Freedom Party (FPO), which accuses him of stealing its ideas.

    http://www.euronews.com/2017/10/16/sebastian-kurz-the-man-set-to-become-the-world-s-youngest-national-leader

    Source: https://mrgrayhistory.wikispaces.com/UNIT+11+-+THE+REFORMATION?responseToken=7d6a39f439d876aab6d8b8be9e53d419

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  28. FKA Max says: • Website
    @polskijoe
    Thats because Churchill was a Freemason (I forget which type).
    As an Anglo and Freemason of course he thought right wing Catholic Europe was a problem.

    Hence Pan Europa was silenced and replaced with some European Movement with more Liberal values?

    The situation today is different. After 1960s the Catholic movement was more quiet in Europe,
    even in US (all Christianity) was started fall.

    During Reagan years there was significant Catholic influence, along with JPII.

    And then the Neocons replaced them.

    Thank you very much for your feedback.

    The situation today is different. After 1960s the Catholic movement was more quiet in Europe,
    [...]
    During Reagan years there was significant Catholic influence, along with JPII.

    The situation is very different today, you are correct. With the United Kingdom leaving the European Union, the Union is about to lose 30 million Protestants and 16 million religiously unaffiliated persons https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_Kingdom#Statistics :

    Source: https://churchpop.com/2014/10/09/10-maps-religion-europe/

    , while having gained probably over 50 million new Catholics since the 2004 enlargement: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_enlargement_of_the_European_Union#Impact

    Central European major Christian denomination is Catholicism (map) as well as large Protestant populations

    Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Europe#Religion

    This is a tremendous shift in the religious/ideological makeup of the European Union.

    As Richard von Coudenhove-Kalergi put it:

    According to Coudenhove-Kalergi, Pan-Europe would encompass and extend a more flexible and more competitive Austria-Hungary, with English serving as the world language, spoken by everyone in addition to their native tongue. He believed that individualism and socialism would learn to cooperate instead of compete, and urged that capitalism and communism cross-fertilise each other just as the Protestant Reformation had spurred the Catholic Church to regenerate itself.[19]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_von_Coudenhove-Kalergi#Pan-European_political_activist

    With the UK leaving the E.U. this possibility and potential for ideological cross fertilization within the Union will be greatly diminished and reduced, and the Catholic majority will drive European Union policy mostly unopposed/uninspired, while the remaining Protestant minority in Germany, the Netherlands and in Scandinavia will be sidelined, I am afraid.

    I used to be a supporter of the European Union before the 2004 enlargement. I think the 1995 composition was the ideal and most balanced one for the European Union. The additions after that created a disequilibrium.

    Source: http://slideplayer.com/slide/8594873/

    However, there is a tremendous silver lining to all of this is as well, as Turkey will probably never be permitted to become a E.U. member, now.

    What I would like to see would be a Catholic and Protestant European Union.

    This Protestant European Union would consist of Germany, the UK, the Netherlands, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Iceland and maybe Switzerland. It would resemble the “Hanseatic League” and have friendly relations with Russia:

    In 1980, former Hanseatic League members established a “new Hanse” in Zwolle, the “City League The Hanse”.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanseatic_League#Modern_.22City_League_The_Hanse.22

    Hanseatic Days of New Time https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanseatic_Days_of_New_Time

    Illustrated PSE with special cancellation issued to mark 29th Hanseatic Days in Novgorod, Russia, 2009

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    Perhaps some type of Catholic/Protestant split will happen.

    But Germany is:
    30% Protestant
    30% Catholic
    split today.

    How would that be resolved? Splitting the nation?
    Mixed feelings on that.

    Catholic and Orthodox relations:

    Don Stefano Caprio, professor of Russian Culture and History at the Oriental Pontifical Institute of Rome, told La Stampa that “President Putin’s politics end up being quite compatible with some interests of the Vatican’s politics.” They share an “opposition to the globalisation intended as the unilateral American and Western supremacy over the world”.

    Behind the scenes the relations are improving. Regardless of what the population thinks.
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  29. polskijoe says:
    @FKA Max
    Thank you very much for your feedback.

    The situation today is different. After 1960s the Catholic movement was more quiet in Europe,
    [...]
    During Reagan years there was significant Catholic influence, along with JPII.
     
    The situation is very different today, you are correct. With the United Kingdom leaving the European Union, the Union is about to lose 30 million Protestants and 16 million religiously unaffiliated persons https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_Kingdom#Statistics :

    http://www.churchpop.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/protestants-in-europe.png

    Source: https://churchpop.com/2014/10/09/10-maps-religion-europe/

    , while having gained probably over 50 million new Catholics since the 2004 enlargement: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_enlargement_of_the_European_Union#Impact

    Central European major Christian denomination is Catholicism (map) as well as large Protestant populations

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/37/Catholic_Church_by_Country_in_Europe.PNG/180px-Catholic_Church_by_Country_in_Europe.PNG

    Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Europe#Religion

    This is a tremendous shift in the religious/ideological makeup of the European Union.

    As Richard von Coudenhove-Kalergi put it:

    According to Coudenhove-Kalergi, Pan-Europe would encompass and extend a more flexible and more competitive Austria-Hungary, with English serving as the world language, spoken by everyone in addition to their native tongue. He believed that individualism and socialism would learn to cooperate instead of compete, and urged that capitalism and communism cross-fertilise each other just as the Protestant Reformation had spurred the Catholic Church to regenerate itself.[19]
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_von_Coudenhove-Kalergi#Pan-European_political_activist

    With the UK leaving the E.U. this possibility and potential for ideological cross fertilization within the Union will be greatly diminished and reduced, and the Catholic majority will drive European Union policy mostly unopposed/uninspired, while the remaining Protestant minority in Germany, the Netherlands and in Scandinavia will be sidelined, I am afraid.

    I used to be a supporter of the European Union before the 2004 enlargement. I think the 1995 composition was the ideal and most balanced one for the European Union. The additions after that created a disequilibrium.

    http://images.slideplayer.com/26/8594873/slides/slide_5.jpg

    Source: http://slideplayer.com/slide/8594873/

    However, there is a tremendous silver lining to all of this is as well, as Turkey will probably never be permitted to become a E.U. member, now.

    What I would like to see would be a Catholic and Protestant European Union.

    This Protestant European Union would consist of Germany, the UK, the Netherlands, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Iceland and maybe Switzerland. It would resemble the ``Hanseatic League'' and have friendly relations with Russia:

    In 1980, former Hanseatic League members established a "new Hanse" in Zwolle, the "City League The Hanse".
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanseatic_League#Modern_.22City_League_The_Hanse.22

    Hanseatic Days of New Time https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanseatic_Days_of_New_Time

    Illustrated PSE with special cancellation issued to mark 29th Hanseatic Days in Novgorod, Russia, 2009

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4a/XXIX_Hanseatic_Days_Novgorod_PSE_Russia_2009.jpg/396px-XXIX_Hanseatic_Days_Novgorod_PSE_Russia_2009.jpg

    Perhaps some type of Catholic/Protestant split will happen.

    But Germany is:
    30% Protestant
    30% Catholic
    split today.

    How would that be resolved? Splitting the nation?
    Mixed feelings on that.

    Catholic and Orthodox relations:

    Don Stefano Caprio, professor of Russian Culture and History at the Oriental Pontifical Institute of Rome, told La Stampa that “President Putin’s politics end up being quite compatible with some interests of the Vatican’s politics.” They share an “opposition to the globalisation intended as the unilateral American and Western supremacy over the world”.

    Behind the scenes the relations are improving. Regardless of what the population thinks.

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    They could let Bavaria secede ;-) It used to be 70% Catholic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bavaria#Religion

    Bavaria’s independence movement isn’t especially well-known, but it has a long history in the fiercely prideful region. Bavaria was for centuries one of the richest and most influential of the many smaller territories that made up the Holy Roman Empire. It was briefly an independent kingdom in the 19th century before it was incorporated into the newly unified Germany as a state in 1871. Even after unification, many Bavarians felt their home was closer to Catholic Austria than the Protestant Prussians who ruled the nascent empire.
     
    - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/01/04/a-german-court-has-shut-down-hopes-for-a-breakaway-bavaria/?utm_term=.27fdc85b02ff

    All joking aside, your statistics/numbers are a little bit misleading. You are correct in that Catholics and Protestant each make up roughly 30% of the German population at the moment, but historically Germany has been roughly two-thirds Protestant and one-third Catholic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Germany#Christianity

    All of the East Germans who are predominantly atheists nowadays used to be overwhelmingly Protestant: The EKD has undergone a split in the 20th century and lost a bulk of its adherents in East Germany due to state atheist policies of the former East German government. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelical_Church_in_Germany#History

    In 1950, 13% of the population were Catholics (versus 85% Protestants). Although about 1.1 million citizens, half of East Germany's Catholic population, left the GDR, in 1989 there were still about one million Catholics, about 6% of the population (versus 25% Protestants).[5] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_East_Germany#Catholic_Minority

    Irreligion in Germany

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion_in_Germany#/media/File:Religion_map_germany_2008_k.png

    Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion_in_Germany

    I think most Germans would prefer to join a Protestant or non-Catholic European Union, except for the Bavarians and the tiny Saarland: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saarland

    Behind the scenes the relations are improving.
     
    Sounds like the Steve Bannon perspective on Putin/Russia. Good to hear that they are engaging in dialogue behind the scenes:

    One of the reasons is that they believe that at least Putin is standing up for traditional institutions, and he's trying to do it in a form of nationalism — and I think that people, particularly in certain countries, want to see the sovereignty for their country, they want to see nationalism for their country. They don't believe in this kind of pan-European Union or they don't believe in the centralized government in the United States. They'd rather see more of a states-based entity that the founders originally set up where freedoms were controlled at the local level. - https://www.buzzfeed.com/lesterfeder/this-is-how-steve-bannon-sees-the-entire-world

    Thank you for sharing your Vatican/Catholic insider perspective on these matters.
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  30. FKA Max says: • Website
    @polskijoe
    Perhaps some type of Catholic/Protestant split will happen.

    But Germany is:
    30% Protestant
    30% Catholic
    split today.

    How would that be resolved? Splitting the nation?
    Mixed feelings on that.

    Catholic and Orthodox relations:

    Don Stefano Caprio, professor of Russian Culture and History at the Oriental Pontifical Institute of Rome, told La Stampa that “President Putin’s politics end up being quite compatible with some interests of the Vatican’s politics.” They share an “opposition to the globalisation intended as the unilateral American and Western supremacy over the world”.

    Behind the scenes the relations are improving. Regardless of what the population thinks.

    They could let Bavaria secede ;-) It used to be 70% Catholic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bavaria#Religion

    Bavaria’s independence movement isn’t especially well-known, but it has a long history in the fiercely prideful region. Bavaria was for centuries one of the richest and most influential of the many smaller territories that made up the Holy Roman Empire. It was briefly an independent kingdom in the 19th century before it was incorporated into the newly unified Germany as a state in 1871. Even after unification, many Bavarians felt their home was closer to Catholic Austria than the Protestant Prussians who ruled the nascent empire.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/01/04/a-german-court-has-shut-down-hopes-for-a-breakaway-bavaria/?utm_term=.27fdc85b02ff

    All joking aside, your statistics/numbers are a little bit misleading. You are correct in that Catholics and Protestant each make up roughly 30% of the German population at the moment, but historically Germany has been roughly two-thirds Protestant and one-third Catholic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Germany#Christianity

    All of the East Germans who are predominantly atheists nowadays used to be overwhelmingly Protestant: The EKD has undergone a split in the 20th century and lost a bulk of its adherents in East Germany due to state atheist policies of the former East German government.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelical_Church_in_Germany#History

    In 1950, 13% of the population were Catholics (versus 85% Protestants). Although about 1.1 million citizens, half of East Germany’s Catholic population, left the GDR, in 1989 there were still about one million Catholics, about 6% of the population (versus 25% Protestants).[5]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_East_Germany#Catholic_Minority

    Irreligion in Germany

    Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion_in_Germany

    I think most Germans would prefer to join a Protestant or non-Catholic European Union, except for the Bavarians and the tiny Saarland: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saarland

    Behind the scenes the relations are improving.

    Sounds like the Steve Bannon perspective on Putin/Russia. Good to hear that they are engaging in dialogue behind the scenes:

    One of the reasons is that they believe that at least Putin is standing up for traditional institutions, and he’s trying to do it in a form of nationalism — and I think that people, particularly in certain countries, want to see the sovereignty for their country, they want to see nationalism for their country. They don’t believe in this kind of pan-European Union or they don’t believe in the centralized government in the United States. They’d rather see more of a states-based entity that the founders originally set up where freedoms were controlled at the local level.https://www.buzzfeed.com/lesterfeder/this-is-how-steve-bannon-sees-the-entire-world

    Thank you for sharing your Vatican/Catholic insider perspective on these matters.

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    I think most Germans would prefer to join a Protestant or non-Catholic European Union,
     
    There is a phenomenon known as ``Bullerby Syndrome'', which is rather wide-spread, in Germany, and which probably backs up my claim that most Germans would not mind or would even prefer to join a Protestant/Hanseatic/Northern European Union:


    The Bullerby Syndrome (German: Bullerbü-Syndrom) is a term referring to an idealization of Sweden, which may occur in the German-speaking World. It consists of a stereotype image of Sweden with usually positive associations, including wooden houses, clear lakes, green forests, mooses, people with blond hair, happy people and midsummer Sunshine. The term comes from Astrid Lindgren's The Six Bullerby Children books, set in rural Sweden.[1]
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullerby_Syndrome

    I saw that the image link I shared above seems to be broken. Here another link, I hope this one works this time:

    Religious affiliation by state Protestant Catholic Non-believers

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9a/Religion_map_germany_2008_k.png/440px-Religion_map_germany_2008_k.png

    Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion_in_Germany

    P.s.: Typo above; You are correct in that Catholics and *Protestants*...
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    They could let Bavaria secede ;-) It used to be 70% Catholic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bavaria#Religion

    Bavaria’s independence movement isn’t especially well-known, but it has a long history in the fiercely prideful region. Bavaria was for centuries one of the richest and most influential of the many smaller territories that made up the Holy Roman Empire. It was briefly an independent kingdom in the 19th century before it was incorporated into the newly unified Germany as a state in 1871. Even after unification, many Bavarians felt their home was closer to Catholic Austria than the Protestant Prussians who ruled the nascent empire.
     
    - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/01/04/a-german-court-has-shut-down-hopes-for-a-breakaway-bavaria/?utm_term=.27fdc85b02ff

    All joking aside, your statistics/numbers are a little bit misleading. You are correct in that Catholics and Protestant each make up roughly 30% of the German population at the moment, but historically Germany has been roughly two-thirds Protestant and one-third Catholic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Germany#Christianity

    All of the East Germans who are predominantly atheists nowadays used to be overwhelmingly Protestant: The EKD has undergone a split in the 20th century and lost a bulk of its adherents in East Germany due to state atheist policies of the former East German government. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelical_Church_in_Germany#History

    In 1950, 13% of the population were Catholics (versus 85% Protestants). Although about 1.1 million citizens, half of East Germany's Catholic population, left the GDR, in 1989 there were still about one million Catholics, about 6% of the population (versus 25% Protestants).[5] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_East_Germany#Catholic_Minority

    Irreligion in Germany

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion_in_Germany#/media/File:Religion_map_germany_2008_k.png

    Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion_in_Germany

    I think most Germans would prefer to join a Protestant or non-Catholic European Union, except for the Bavarians and the tiny Saarland: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saarland

    Behind the scenes the relations are improving.
     
    Sounds like the Steve Bannon perspective on Putin/Russia. Good to hear that they are engaging in dialogue behind the scenes:

    One of the reasons is that they believe that at least Putin is standing up for traditional institutions, and he's trying to do it in a form of nationalism — and I think that people, particularly in certain countries, want to see the sovereignty for their country, they want to see nationalism for their country. They don't believe in this kind of pan-European Union or they don't believe in the centralized government in the United States. They'd rather see more of a states-based entity that the founders originally set up where freedoms were controlled at the local level. - https://www.buzzfeed.com/lesterfeder/this-is-how-steve-bannon-sees-the-entire-world

    Thank you for sharing your Vatican/Catholic insider perspective on these matters.

    I think most Germans would prefer to join a Protestant or non-Catholic European Union,

    There is a phenomenon known as “Bullerby Syndrome”, which is rather wide-spread, in Germany, and which probably backs up my claim that most Germans would not mind or would even prefer to join a Protestant/Hanseatic/Northern European Union:

    The Bullerby Syndrome (German: Bullerbü-Syndrom) is a term referring to an idealization of Sweden, which may occur in the German-speaking World. It consists of a stereotype image of Sweden with usually positive associations, including wooden houses, clear lakes, green forests, mooses, people with blond hair, happy people and midsummer Sunshine. The term comes from Astrid Lindgren’s The Six Bullerby Children books, set in rural Sweden.[1]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullerby_Syndrome

    I saw that the image link I shared above seems to be broken. Here another link, I hope this one works this time:

    Religious affiliation by state Protestant Catholic Non-believers

    Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion_in_Germany

    P.s.: Typo above; You are correct in that Catholics and *Protestants*

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    Turkey's Muslim Influence in Austria - CBN.com

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wjof5hH90yo

    Published on Apr 6, 2010

    The Turks are exercising their influence through immigration and mosque building in Vienna and other Austrian cities and towns... The Christian Broadcasting Network CBN

    Political and religious tensions are rising in the Europe, and reaching a boiling point.

    I have been commenting quite a bit on this topic over the last several days.

    Erdogan's actions have completely changed the mood in Europe and in the West, and forever altered the ideological structure/underpinnings of the European Union, in my opinion.

    We have truly arrived in the age of the ``Clash of Civilizations'', now, I feel. It cannot be denied, anymore, by the media, etc.

    Austria is the canary in the coal mine.

    Without Erdogan flooding Europe with Syrian War refugees and ISIS fighters, etc., I don’t think Trump would have been elected president or BREXIT would have happened.

    A few years ago George Friedman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Friedman predicted World War 3 would take place between Turkey (Sunni Islam) and Poland (Catholic Christianity).

    I tended to dismiss this scenario and idea, but not so much anymore.
     
    - http://www.unz.com/jpetras/the-middle-east-pivot/#comment-2050307

    I think the prayer actions we are seeing in Poland are the beginning of this transformation of the E.U. from a secular institution into a more religious/Roman Catholic institution.
     
    - http://www.unz.com/jpetras/the-middle-east-pivot/#comment-2050404

    What is basically emerging is the European Union Otto von Habsburg envisioned
    [...]
    This development will help slow the “Islamization” of Europe, but it will make the European Union more authoritarian, militaristic and less technocratic, further weaken the secular forces in Turkey, which will make a confrontation, military or otherwise, between Sunni Islam (Turkey, et al. ) and Catholic Christianity (Vatican, Poland, et al.), much more likely, in my opinion.
     
    - http://www.unz.com/jpetras/the-middle-east-pivot/#comment-2051317

    Many Turks believe Erdogan will bring new Ottoman Empire | DW English

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9Qm5CZEKPI

    Published on Sep 15, 2017

    Many Turks believe President Recip Tayyip Erdogan has renewed their sense of national pride, which they feel is closely tied to Islam. Others think he is a dictator bent on destroying the secularism brought by Turkey's first president, Kemal Atatürk.

    This video made by a young German man is a very good summary of the situation in Austria, Germany, the Czech Republic and in Europe in general. I was amazed how much he used the language and terminology of the American Alt Right in this video. There must be a lot “cross fertilization” going on between the youth of the “Old Continent” and the youth of the “New World”:

    What Does the Austrian Election Mean for Europe?

    Red Pill Germany
    Published on Oct 22, 2017
    Hey guys, I want to comment on Sebastian Kurz’s victory in Austria and his likely coalition with HC Strache’s freedom party.

    I think we see that even the western states in Europe are slowly beginning to understand that we cannot go on like this and that the young generation needs to change our continent in order to preserve it.

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  33. Austrians Vote Against Muslim Anschluss, Get Called Nazis

    Best title ever.

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