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Adapted from the latest Radio Derb, available exclusively on VDARE.com

Amy Wax, a law professor at the University of Pennsylvania, in trouble again—in a way that points to the fundamental contradictions of Yoram Hazony’s recent National Conservatism conference a.k.a. The Gatekeeper’s Ball.

In March last year, Prof. Wax did a Bloggingheads interviews with black Economics Professor Glenn Loury of Brown University. In the course of their chat, which was all perfectly friendly and collegial, Prof. Wax mentioned that she couldn’t recall a case of a black student graduating in the top quarter of her class, and it was rare to see one in the top half.

That got her a Two Minutes Hate in the Twittersphere and a stern reprimand from her law school dean Ted Ruger [Email him]. Ruger’s reprimand would have been more convincing if he had produced some actual numbers from his files to refute Prof. Wax’s claim, but of course he refused to do so.

A year before that, Prof. Wax had published a joint op-ed, with another law professor, in the Philadelphia Inquirer, [Paying the price for breakdown of the country’s bourgeois culture, August 9, 2017] arguing for the promotion of bourgeois values: get married, stay married, obey the law, don’t swear in public, and so on.

That caused screaming, swooning, and clutching of pearls nationwide. “Redneck racist ideology,” one commenter called it.

So Prof. Wax has a track record of saying obviously true things that our ideological Establishment—Main Stream Media, schools, corporations, churches, politicians—would much rather not be said.

I was so impressed after last year’s Bloggingheads incident that I inducted Prof. Wax into the Honorable Company of Stone-Kickers.

Now she’s been at it again, kicking that durn stone.

The National Conservatism conference was held at the pricey Ritz-Carlton in Washington, D.C. Here at VDARE.com we have long used the phrase “National Conservatism” to define our own positions, so we had some reasonable expectation that the ideas we write about here might get an airing in a posh, high-profile venue.

Vain are the hopes of mortal men! The conference turned out to be just another rescue mission for neoconservatism. The big keynote address, given on Tuesday morning, was by John Bolton—what else do you need to know?

VDARE.com Editor Peter Brimelow was disinvited from attending, and American Renaissance’s Jared Taylor was refused a press pass. Your genial scribe would no doubt likewise have been denied had he been sufficiently alert and organized to apply for registration.

The brilliant and indefatigable blogger Zman did sneak in under the organizers’ radar. He produced some scathing, and often very funny, commentary which I urge you to read. He also, separately, posted a thoughtful summary here at VDARE.com.

Well, Amy Wax gave a talk at one of the breakout sessions on Monday afternoon. If you’re not a conference-goer and don’t know what a breakout session is, it’s when the main conference breaks up into smaller groups to discuss particular topics in side rooms.

Breakout sessions used to be called “workshops,” but perhaps that was ruled demeaning and hurtful to people who work in shops…don’t ask me, I’m clueless about political correctness. The opposite of a breakout session is a plenary session, where everyone sits together in the same grand auditorium. Got that?

The topic for this particular breakout session was immigration. That’s our main topic here at VDARE.com, so naturally this session excited our interest.

The title of Prof. Wax’s talk: “American Greatness and Immigration: The Case for Low and Slow.” Her remarks ignited yet another spasm of nationwide shrieking, fainting, and pearl-clutching.

This time, Penn Law Scholl Dean Ruger told the world that her remarks were at best “a bigoted theory of white cultural and ethnic supremacy” and at worst,—can you guess?—yes, “racist”. [Penn Law Dean Condemns Professor Amy Wax’s ‘Bigoted,’ ‘Racist’ Comments on Immigration, by Jenni Fink, Newsweek, July 25, 2019].

I guess you don’t get to be dean of a prestigious law school by demonstrating a capacity for independent thinking or original speaking.

Something called LALSA, the Latinx Law Students Association at U. Penn., started a petition for Prof. Wax to be relieved of her teaching duties.

That must have been some heavy-duty rabble-rousing fascist Neo-Nazi stuff that Prof. Wax spoke—oh, sorry; I mean “spouted“—at the National Conservatism Conference.

So what did she say?

Prof. Wax is not, so far as I can figure, a race realist. (I should make it clear that being a race realist is not an essential qualifying condition for election to the Honorable Company of Stone-Kickers.)

In my world-shaking bestseller We Are Doomed I said there are three theories of human nature enjoying widespread support at present: Religious, Culturist, Biologian. To summarize:

  • The religious view sees our species as gifted by God or the Gods with supernatural attributes, for example the moral sense.
  • The culturist view allows that Homo sap. came up through ordinary natural processes; but, having arrived on Earth a quarter million years ago, has remained essentially undifferentiated thereafter in its psychic essence. Apparent statistical differences in that essence—in behavior, intelligence, and personality—between populations long settled in different regions, along with the social consequences of such differences, are purely environmental, with no biological causes.
  • The biologian view says that human nature is a collection of characteristics all susceptible to biological explanation. Regional differences are in part biological, as you’d expect from localized mostly-inbred populations separated from each other for hundreds or thousands of generations. As science writer Nicholas Wade put it in A Troublesome Inheritance, “Human evolution has been recent, copious, and regional.”

Prof. Wax looks to me to be a culturist—not a biologian. Indeed, she tells us in her National Conservative talk that the idea she is promoting for our immigration policy is “cultural distance nationalism,” which

…is based on the insight and understanding that people’s background culture can affect their ability to fit into a modern advanced society and to perform the roles needed to support and maintain it—civic, occupational, economic, technical, and the like.

That’s culturism as I defined it.

Prof. Wax is actually well-qualified to be a biologian—to be in the third of my three categories, along with us race realists. Her first degree, from Yale, was in molecular biology, and she went on to get an M.D. from Harvard Medical School before switching to the law.

Still, I can’t see any hint of race realism in her National Conservatism talk, and I’m not aware of any in her other productions. Race-realism-wise, far as I can tell, Prof. Wax is clean.

So why the fuss? Isn’t culturism perfectly respectable? Isn’t it, in fact, the foundation of our state ideology: that where human nature is concerned, nurture is everything and nature nothing? That all group differences are merely cultural differences?

And that people like my geneticist friend who, when I one time used “culture” in the pure-culturist sense, jeered back at me with: “Culture? Culture? What are the upstream variables?“—people like that are bad people, probably Nazis.

Ah, but apparently there are divisions within culturism—divisions crucial to the discussion of immigration.

There are, you might say, “soft” culturists and “hard” culturists.

A soft culturist believes that if a population from Culture A is settled among Culture B, the group differences will quickly disappear. Within a generation or two at most, the As and their descendants will be indistinguishable from the Bs they settled among.

As evidence, soft culturists like to cite the Great Wave of immigrants into the U.S.A. prior to WW1: Irish, Italian, Poles, Jews. And look!—fifty years later they and their kids were just Americans!

ORDER IT NOW

Soft culturism is sometimes called Magic Dirt Theory. Prof. Wax actually used the phrase “magic dirt” three times in her National Conservatism talk. It’s not original with her, though. It has an entry in the Urban Dictionary, posted in March 2017, and I was seeing it on Dissident Right blogs before that.

(Who came up with the term “magic dirt”? Some people have credited me; I used the expression in a posting here at VDARE.com but I had borrowed it from a post the previous month by blogger Vox Day. Prior to that I can only find cryptic, inconclusive references, and a mass of stuff about a nineties Australian rock band. If any listener with better internet search skills than mine can find the source, I’d be interested to know).

So Magic Dirt Theory is soft culturism. But Amy Wax sounds like a hard culturist:

Our country’s future trajectory, however, will not be determined by Political Correctness, but by reality and facts on whether cultural differences really matter, whether they are stubborn, and whether they have consequences. And by the time that becomes clear and that dynamic plays out, it may be too late to turn the ship, and it may well be too late already.

Plainly Prof. Wax thinks that cultural differences are—or, at least, can be—stubborn: not necessarily rooted in biology, as I and my pal the geneticist suspect, only…stubborn. A generation or two of magic dirt won’t expunge them.

“But wait!” cry the soft culturists. “They have been expunged! Those pre-WW1 immigrants—the Irish, Italians, Poles, Jews! They became Americans!”

So they did: although, as we annoying immigration buffs point out, the forty-year lull in immigration from 1924 to 1965 surely helped.

And, as the naughtier ones among us also point out, the expunging was by no means total. Check the proportions of Irish, Italian, Polish, and Jewish names in the Forbes 400 list of richest Americans; or for that matter—and (with absolutely no offense intended whatsoever to Prof. Wax, who is Jewish) in the lists of professors at our most prestigious law schools.

Nevertheless, our state ideology, any contradiction of which causes explosions of outrage, is not merely culturism; it is soft culturism.

That’s what has gotten Prof. Wax in trouble. She’s a hard culturist. That phrase she promotes, “cultural distance nationalism,” implies that some cultures—those at more of a distance from the U.S.A.’s own north-European roots—will resist acculturation more stubbornly than others.

Worse yet: Those peoples at more of a cultural distance from us are mostly non-white. Peoples closer to us in culture—for example, those Irish, Italian, Polish and Jewish immigrants of the Great Wave—are mostly white. [Scream.]

You don’t have to frame any hypotheses about cause and effect, says Prof. Wax, that’s just observable reality:

Embracing … cultural distance nationalism, means, in effect, taking the position that our country will be better off with more whites and fewer non-whites. Well, that is the result anyway. So even if our immigration philosophy is grounded firmly in cultural concerns, doesn’t rely on race at all … these racial dimensions are enough to spook conservatives.

So the lady is saying that even a rigidly culturist, scrupulously colorblind immigration policy will, volens nolens, if it embraces cultural nationalism, favor whites.

Prof. Wax had much more to say than that, and I urge you to read her entire presentation. I’m just trying to make the point that even taking a spotlessly culturist line about human differences, eschewing biological race realism, will not spare you being denounced as a “racist” by the dean of a university law school

You might draw the moral of the story as: If even a punctilious culturism won’t spare you from the witch-hunters—well, heck, may as well embrace biology and go full-bore race realist!

You might…but Heaven forbid I should put ideas into anyone’s head.

Finally: All this tortured wrangling over immigration—should it be culturally selective? racially selective [scream]? strictly by merit? capped by country?—all this wrangling presupposes…immigration.

No offense intended to Prof. Wax, who I’m sure is just trying to promote the art of the possible: but to heck with what she calls her “low and slow approach to immigration.”

Low immigration? Slow immigration? How about no immigration? How about a moratorium?

John Derbyshire [email him] writes an incredible amount on all sorts of subjects for all kinds of outlets. (This no longer includes National Review, whose editors had some kind of tantrum and fired him.) He is the author of We Are Doomed: Reclaiming Conservative Pessimism and several other books. He has had two books published by VDARE.com com: FROM THE DISSIDENT RIGHT(also available in Kindle) and FROM THE DISSIDENT RIGHT II: ESSAYS 2013.

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  1. Fifty years, Derb reckons, for a given immigrant stock to assimilate. Don’t know about you, but to me that sounds like a long time – especially if you’re unlucky enough to find yourself surrounded by the cultural aliens.

    Moreover, at the end of that fifty years, are you any better off? Nope. You’re simply back to square one – back to where you would have been if you hadn’t allowed the immigrants in in the first place. It’s just like you can recover from a broken leg, but when you do, you’re not better off, you’re just back to the way you were before you broke it.

    Enough’s enough. End the insanity.

    • Replies: @Hail
  2. No immigration, on purely pragmatic grounds, sounds a bit challenging.
    But how about this — let’s make all countries (not just the US) work towards a world in which very – very few people WANT to immigrate. (also very challenging)
    Perhaps we could start with no more wars, conventional, proxy, terrorist, or other wise.
    (ie, no more Afghanistan’s, Iraq’s, Libyas, Syria’s, Kosovos, Serbia’s, Crimeas, Ukraines, Georgias, Panama’s, “drugs”, Vietnam’s, Somalia’s, etc etc.

  3. Realist says:

    Amy Wax, “National Conservatism,” and the Futility of Nuance—Why Not An Immigration Moratorium?

    How about an immigration cancellation?

  4. joe2.5 says:

    You, Derbyshire, should never have been allowed to immigrate, according to your theories, and you shouldn’t have tried to in the first place. Your cultural distance to America is stellar.

    • Troll: MBlanc46
  5. Realist says:
    @animalogic

    But how about this — let’s make all countries (not just the US) work towards a world in which very – very few people WANT to immigrate.

    Let’s make all countries??? Let’s all be for hegemony. Typical attitude of SJW’s…all we have to do is make everybody behave like we want.

    A better; idea end all immigration and stay out of other countries ‘business’.

    • Agree: RVBlake
  6. dearieme says:

    Allow me to quote an internet sage, lightly edited.

    How could you get immigrants from Western Europe? The era when various groups of religious nutcases moved to North America because they had failed to impose their views on their countrymen are presumably long behind us. The era of cheap land and less competition is over too, I’d imagine. You could attract the unemployed of southern Italy, perhaps, and Greece too if you want to pretend that it’s a honorary part of Western Europe. But would you want them?

    I suppose you might wonder whether you could attract people unhappy with the prospect of their own countries’ cultures being submerged by Islam and Africa. But would they be reluctant to swap the frying pan for the fire?

    If that’s right a moratorium on mass immigration might be sensible.

  7. Svevlad says:

    As a matter of fact, cultures that are close but just slightly different (Balkans, middle east) are the stubbornest. I see pictures of mixed-race kids going around orthodox churches doing the 3-finger salute, as if they’re more serbian than pure serbs. You’d think they’d go into the hip hop bix nood culture immediately

  8. OK, you got me — “make” is the wrong word. How about “encourage” as being in the best interests of of all of us…. Or do “common interests” imply a communist plot to you?
    With 7, going on 8 billion eaters on this planet we better start thinking outside the box…. whoops, silly me, you don’t give a fuck about anyone except you & yours. Sorry to waste your time.

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @kaganovitch
  9. An immigration moratorium, at least down to a < 100,000 trickle, as was the deal last time, is necessary but not all that is required to save the nation. I think an immediate expulsion of any entrants whose entry or conversion (work-visa to green card) was fraudulent, the hundreds of thousands (possible well over a million) foreign graduate students, visa overstayers (for good), and all those who came in as asylum seekers from countries not adjacent to the US is required.

    That's just for the "legal" entries. For the illegal, the overwhelming numbers are hispanic illegals, with a million or more Chinese, and all interactions with the law, from parking tickets to DUI, should involve a check on citizenship status – no citizenship or illegal entry = expulsion.

    It took 40 years to assimilate* people from European countries, for crying out loud, so I think we'd need more than for the crowd that's entered over the last 5 decades.

    Someone look out for anyone resembling the US Congress of 1924 and a Silent Cal (Peak Stupidity’s favorite president) to sign it, and then, sure, we can get this done.

    .

    * and not ever fully, with long term-changes to the country, as the author noted.

    • Agree: Hail
    • Replies: @KenH
  10. @animalogic

    Perhaps we could start with no more wars, conventional, proxy, terrorist, or other wise. (ie, no more Afghanistan’s, Iraq’s, Libyas, Syria’s, Kosovos, Serbia’s, Crimeas, Ukraines, Georgias, Panama’s, “drugs”, Vietnam’s, Somalia’s, etc etc.

    Most Americans are against all of this, A.L. I don’t see what that has at all to do with immigration, besides as just another excuse. “Yeah, we bombed them over there, so that we don’t have to … wait, so we need to let them in over here…”. You take away that excuse (and I’m, of course, all for stopping the warfare state), and the there will be all the other excuses.

    Besides letting it destroy itself, as we are doing now, the only other way for us to make America a place that people don’t want to immigrate to is to destroy the welfare state. That is what is even more politically impossible – just look at whole bunch of the alt-/dissident right, here on the Unz site – Socialism is just A-OK with them!

    Most of the current immigrants are nothing like the ambitious, hardworking people from that last huge wave. Take away the free stuff, and the word will get out. No free bucks, no Buck Royers.

  11. Realist says:
    @animalogic

    Are you trying to reply to me…but don’t know how???

    • Replies: @animalogic
  12. MEH 0910 says:

    In a comment, Vox Day claimed to have originated the term “magic dirt”:

    https://voxday.blogspot.com/2015/11/derb-and-magic-dirt.html#c8890772820615098277

    Who coined the term?

    Depends on the context. In the immigration sense, I did.

  13. (((Amy Wax))) is not a Western woman. She has to move to Israel.

    Derbyshire, once again, help the USA with its immigration problem. Move yourself and your family to China.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
  14. MEH 0910 says:
    @attilathehen

    Derbyshire, once again, help the USA with its immigration problem. Move yourself and your family to China.

    Derb’s kids are white. Zack Beauchamp said so in Vox:

    https://www.vox.com/2019/7/17/20696543/national-conservatism-conference-2019-trump

    In her address, she favorably quoted John Derbyshire, a writer who once penned a piece telling his white children to avoid going places where black people hang out in groups and was fired from his job at National Review as a result.

    Miracle on 34th Street (4/5) Movie CLIP – The One and Only Santa Claus (1947) HD

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  15. Mr. Anon says:

    “National Conservatism”

    I’ve no doubt. But whose nation?

    These are the people who run the Edmund Burke Foundation:

    https://burke.foundation/people/

    The officers:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoram_Hazony

    and this guy:

    https://www.maccabeetaskforce.org/team/bryan-griffin/

    I wonder what their primary interests are?

    How much money the Edmund Burke Foundation has received and from whom is not yet a matter of public record. (Note – this is a new organization, and does not seem to be affilliated with a now defunct Dutch think-tank from the early 00’s.) However, according to an article on it in The Atlantic, one of the donors is Alex Cranberg, an oil exploration magnate who not too long ago appeared to be involved in various oil plays in Kurdistan (which was, according to some reports, a big supplier of oil to Israel).

    I like that name: “The Edmund Burke Foundation”. Talk about crypsis. Why they’ve disguised themselves about as well as a serial-killer wearing the skin of his latest victim. This is just Neo-Conservatism 2.0, slightly goy-washed, but only slightly. I’m sorry, I’d like to think better of it, but it just seems pretty damned transparent.

    Here, Goy, here is your nationalism. Have fun with it. But remember what it’s really for, and why we gave it to you.

    • Agree: Ron Unz
  16. Rich says:

    50% of Americans who voted, voted for Hilary Clinton. Majorities of Americans voted for Obama. The House of Reps is controlled by the Dems. And a large minority of Repubs supports bringing in more cheap labor. We are never going to get a moratorium, or even a slowdown. Maybe, if Trump is re-elected, we’ll get a slowdown of illegals coming in, maybe. But that’s it. The America of the past is never coming back. It’s a shame, it was great country, a good place to grow up, but it’s gone. Now, do we become Brazil or Yugoslavia? The US government is way too powerful to allow the US to break up, so I guess it’s time to study how White Brazilians get by. Heaven forbid we become South Africa or Rhodesia, but I think there’s still way too many Palefaces for that.

  17. @MEH 0910

    Derbyshire’s Chinese wife is looking for a Chinese wife for the son.

    Derbyshire’s Chinese wife and daughter voted for Obummer.

    Derbyshire’s Chinese daughter will most likely marry a black guy.

    Derbyshire’s Chinese wife and daughter obviously did not listen to his “black talk.”

    (((Zack Beauchamp))) is Jewish and thus not a Western male.

    The West is not black/Asian/Jewish/Muslim.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
  18. @Realist

    “Are you trying to reply to me…but don’t know how???”
    Er-der-la–la-par-la-! &-8-f -l -zj#*k. Just keeping it real, sport.

  19. Hail says: • Website
    @silviosilver

    Enough’s enough. End the insanity.

    Even with a moratorium, at this point I don’t think the insanity would end.

    The future looks to be dissolution, of the bloated entity known as the United States of America. We had a good run, but I think the time is coming soon. May God let it be (reasonably) peaceful, whatever/whenever it is.

    • Replies: @Hail
    , @Baxter
    , @Durruti
  20. Hail says: • Website
    @Hail

    I think the time is coming soon

    Soon in historical terms. Not next year or anything like that.

  21. Immigration moratorium made sense in the 1980s and possibly early 1990s. Now it is much too far gone for such a moderate strategy. Repatriation is the base minimum now.

    Furthermore, why does The Derb assume that assimilation is per definition desirable? Look at Brazil. Mixing it up isn’t always a good outcome.

    • Agree: Hail
  22. Zman is funny AF.

    The right is such a bunch of cucky moronic sellouts.

    The problem is not that they are stupid (though they ARE stupid) but that they accept nose money and do what the nose tells them to do, which is ALWAYS bad for white people.

    This is obvious stuff.

  23. Her first degree, from Yale, was in molecular biology, and she went on to get an M.D. from Harvard Medical School before switching to the law.

    How old was she when she reentered real life?

    Oh, wait… she’s an academic. Never mind.

    • Agree: TKK
    • Replies: @TKK
  24. What possible chance is there a democratic majority would ever favor repatriation? Just because something is desirable does’t mean it’s possible.

    Even if repatriation were a democratic possibility, it would assuredly have to achieve a moratorium first, don’t you think? That means the focus needs to be on moratorium, which will be a Herculean task in itself.

  25. Anon[703] • Disclaimer says:

    Yoram Itzikshtein and Golda-Face, two American nationalists.

  26. Those pre-WWI immigrants were pressured to become Americans. Today, that is considered racist, so we end up with anti-American ingrates like Ilhan Omar.

  27. MEH 0910 says:
    @attilathehen

    Derbyshire’s Chinese daughter will most likely marry a black guy.

    Last I knew Derb’s daughter has a white boyfriend. Derb’s grandkids will look like Phoebe Cates and Keanu Reeves.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  28. buckwheat says:

    The entire country has been nigahfied and it will only get worse. The liberals have promoted black filth as normal. Black violence has been justified by something that happened over 200 years ago, and every problem blacks face is caused by whitey. This country is circling the drain and hopefully will wake up before its too late, but the odds are not good…….

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  29. @MEH 0910

    By “white” he could be Jewish, again, not a Western male. Derbyshire lives in New York so that’s the most logical. Jews have high intermarriage rates with Asians.

    Also, I don’t know what Derbyshire’s standard is for whiteness. His Chinese family is proof he has no idea of “whiteness.”

    (((Phoebe Cates))) is Jewish and Asian.

    Keanu Reeves has no offspring.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
  30. MEH 0910 says:
    @attilathehen

    Keanu Reeves has no offspring.

    I didn’t mean look like Keanu Reeves(‘) (offspring). I meant look like Keanu Reeves himself. His last name and Phoebe Cates happen to end in “s”. I wasn’t implying the possessive form.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  31. @MEH 0910

    Are you involved with Asian females? You cannot think logically.

    Phoebes Cates’ last name was original (((Katz))). It was Anglicized.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    , @gotmituns
  32. KenH says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    We also need to revoke the citizenship of anyone who was born of illegal alien parents. Our nation is a complete joke if the 14th amendment means anyone can sneak in here and drop an anchor baby which was not the framers intent. But the matter is now so politically charged and the federal courts have demonstrated that they aren’t above playing politics that I wouldn’t trust them to put this to rest in our favor. Or the Cohengress for that matter since you have birthright citizenship religionists like Rand Paul.

    • Replies: @Hail
    , @Rich
    , @Twodees Partain
  33. MEH 0910 says:
    @attilathehen

    My last comment was a paragon of logic. Your response is filled with non sequiturs.

    • Replies: @Rex Little
  34. Hail says: • Website
    @KenH

    Good comment; I would raise issue only with this:

    not the framers intent.

    It goes without saying, but in the 1780s, the US was sparsely populated and faced many real threats: the British, French, and Spanish empires; the Red Indian on the frontiers; the prospect of future slave revolts / race war in the lowland South. All the same, the future was bright: Land was plentiful, population density was low, and an entire continent awaited conquering and settlement, if we were up to the task.

    Today’s continent-wide USA is (long since) fully settled, and has no frontier. Full countries don’t need/want immigrants. The problem now is, rather, over-congestion in many places. Do we really want 375 million people on this continent (current pop., US & Canada combined)? Going up to 500 million by mid-century? vs. a 1790 population of 3,140,000 Whites enumerated in the first federal census.

    The founding fathers’ intent was to create a new union of states that could expand and thrive on this new continent, and would never have even considered the idea of heavy immigration to an already-full country. It would almost feel like talking among ourselves today about bases in other solar systems. A possible future, centuries down the line, but…

    • Replies: @Hail
    , @KenH
  35. Hail says: • Website
    @Hail

    There is also the race factor outright, which stands in stark relief against the squishy question of “legality”:

    Nonwhites were more-or-less identified as ipso facto noncitizens in the U.S. Constitution itself, and a very long string of laws and court decisions upheld the notion that only Whites were allowed by law to become U.S. citizens.

    It may surpris some to learn that the right, in principle, of a Nonwhite foreigner to become a US citizen was only settled in 1952 with the McCarran–Walter Act. Citizenship applications by Nonwhites were being rejected repeatedly in the 20th century, even into the 1940s.

    Read this incredible wording from a Dec. 1942 federal court case, in which a federal judge rejected an Arab’s petition for citizenship on explicitly racial grounds:

    Ahmed Hassan, of Detroit, Mich., in pro. per. [December 15, 1942.]

    C. R. Berg, Naturalization Examiner, of Detroit, Mich., for the Government.

    TUTTLE, District Judge.

    Petitioner is an Arab, being a native of Yemen [….]

    [P]etitioner is not eligible for citizenship in the United States. The court is of the opinion that when one seeking citizenship is in fact clearly not white of skin a strong burden of proof devolves upon him to establish that he is a white person within the meaning of the act. It would appear that petitioner’s skin is of somewhat darker complexion than that of many Arabs. However, this court does not rest its decision on that ground, but rather upon the ground that Arabs as a class are not white and therefore not eligible for citizenship. [….]

    The petition is denied.

    The Red Man, of course, only got citizenship in 1924, three hundred years after proto-US political institutions began to be formed.

    The American Indian citizenship law was signed into law by President Coolidge on June 2, 1924, a Monday. It what I think is no coincidence, this law followed the gold-standard US immigration law of the 20th century, the mighty 1924 Immigration Act, by a mere 9 days. signed into law by President Coolidge on May 24, 1924, a Saturday.

    Yes, we passed a watershed law to preserve the USA’s NW-European supermajority (toughening up earlier legislation of similar scope dating to 1917 and 1921), and then, that being done, one work-week later we finally granted the Red Indian citizenship.

  36. Rich says:
    @KenH

    It will never happen without a violent revolution, and there won’t be a violent revolution. Whites are divided on this issue, and all minorities, even poor blacks who suffer the most because of immigration, support more immigration, to the point where we can’t even stop illegal immigration. I’m not sure how it ends, but America is never going to be what it was. Prepare accordingly.

  37. Anon[681] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    “Yeah, we bombed them over there, so that we don’t have to … wait, so we need to let them in over here…”. You take away that excuse (and I’m, of course, all for stopping the warfare state), and the there will be all the other excuses.

    I can already see it, “We didn’t interfere and help them remove the dictator, we failed, it’s our fault, we need to let them in…”

    As far as the left is concerned, everything is America’s fault. Instead of America First, the left is Blame America First.

    Since we are going to get blamed either way, we should end all foreign wars. It’s cheaper. We need the $$ at home to rebuild, and pay off our $400M a year in interest payment to our existing debt.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Crimean refugee
  38. Amy Wax for President!!!

    I thought I voted for Trump, instead we got Jared Kushner for president. Time for that treasonous rat to pack up and leave the WH.

  39. KenH says:
    @Hail

    It goes without saying, but in the 1780s, the US was sparsely populated and faced many real threats:

    I actually meant the framers of the 14th amendment and not necessarily the founding fathers since they weren’t around by the time it was ratified (arguably illegally by some accounts). The 14th amendment just ensured that states couldn’t deny citizenship to newly freed black slaves and their children. It wasn’t intended to apply to Chinese and Arab Muslim maternity tourists or economic migrants from south of the U.S. border who crossed our border illegally.

    Said U.S. Senator Jacob Howard, one of the 14th amendment’s framers:
    “This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.”[1]

    This is a rebuke to judicial activists, radical leftists, radical libertarians and bleeding heart kosher cucks and is grounds for the revocation of citizenship of any illegal alien born in the U.S.

    And given the founding fathers well known beliefs on race and the 1790 immigration and nationality act restricting citizenship to “free white persons” they would unanimously consider today’s politically correct interpretation of the 14th amendment as madness if not high treason.

  40. “August 9, 2017] arguing for the promotion of bourgeois values: get married, stay married, obey the law, don’t swear in public, and so on”
    .

    a. getting married is certainly a noble and sane goal with a myriad of benefits.

    b. staying married is certainly a noble and sane goal with a myriad of benefits.

    c. don’t swear in public is certainly a noble and sane goal with a myriad of benefits.

    But it’s trying slip in this obvious technical requirement “obey the law” along with “don’t swear in public” is not just “slick willy” rhetoric, it’s poisoning the well, false composition, and just plain tawdry logical flaw.

    A, B, and C are not laws. And they should not become laws, save in the strictest of forums. This is the ploy to justify abuse based in perceived or real insult to authority. And she is pandering indicts her understanding of the both actual law against what she would like to be law and is treated as such to her comfort and to the violation of others.

    No. Bad language, bad attitude, sarcasm, irony . . . are not illegal and authority has a long nasty history of coddling her snow flake offense by treating insult as excuse for abusive tactics.

    Just goes to show — even lawyers don’t what it means to be a citizen (especially if they spend all their days in the classroom).

    However, anyone who acknowledges we need a moratorium certainly gets my support, as long they aren’t about resting people because they used the some colorful description of abusive authority.

  41. anaccount says:

    I don’t think the system would allow a moratorium, no matter who we elect or what law we decide to pass.

  42. Baxter says:
    @Hail

    ‘The future looks to be dissolution’
    Agree. Nothing to add really. But when?
    The longer this county keeps ‘kicking the can down the road’ the bigger the explosion will be. I say, the sooner the bottom falls out the better. I used to think America has another 8-12 years, now, with this new crop of presidential candidates, I’m thinking maybe not.
    I live in the south, mark my words, nigger run America is a horror. Add all the white leftists, most of the third world immigrants, the gays and gay lovers, you really become disconnected. I have.
    Frankly, I just don’t give a damn about this country anymore.

    • Agree: Bardon Kaldian
  43. “That’s what has gotten Prof. Wax in trouble. She’s a hard culturist. That phrase she promotes, “cultural distance nationalism,” implies that some cultures—those at more of a distance from the U.S.A.’s own north-European roots—will resist acculturation more stubbornly than others.”

    Apparently, she has not made any recent visits to Chula Vista, National ity or LA California.

    The hard culturists argument breaks down if one considers that the referenced societies from Europe were part and parcel the British colonial experience in some degree and those that spoke english and resided on the British continent would fair far better than non-native speakers from anywhere.

    Furthermore the immigrants into the US came with an understanding that they were coming to become something else as opposed to dragging whatever they were before to fore — they sought to change the new society they sought.

    That makes all the difference.

    English should be the national language

    • Replies: @nsa
  44. “Those pre-WW1 immigrants—the Irish, Italians, Poles, Jews! They became Americans!”

    No they didn’t. Jews by and large are Jews first and foremost, not Americans/Dutch/Swiss/etc. Their nation is their diaspora, and the USA is merely another nesting place.

    The Irish and Italians might have become somewhat American, but they did (along with the Jews) create Mafias and cause a whole hell of a lot of problems.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  45. gotmituns says:

    why do so many older jewish women look so harsh and unfeminine?

    • Replies: @jester
    , @Twodees Partain
  46. As I said earlier, Jews are an anomaly because their focus was on an axis religion- common historical culture- ethnic “genealogical” identity. They switched the identity accent from time to time, but any sociologist & historian will tell you they included, from the beginning, various “races” while retaining the common core of ancient Levantine tribe.

    When we analyze Jews in Israel, we see that they follow their traditional ethnic lore: those born of Jewish mother are Jews. So, father could be African, Australian Abo, Eskimo, Mongol, Maori, Bushman, Japanese,… and the progeny is still- a Jew.

    So, their concept of national identity is incompatible not only with white “racial” identity, but with any normal traditional conceptof identity, be it English, Japanese, Slovene, Russian or Danish. They- at least in theory- do not feel threatened by presence of an “alien blood”; they define themselves, apart from culture & history, with presence of “their blood”.

    Needless to say, such a notion of peoplehood runs contrary to all traditional notions of national identity: you can’t have Czech nation which is, say, 30% visually Chinese; you can’t have Chinese nation which is, visually, 30% black African.


    So, in the case of the US- you basically can’t trust Jews when it comes to race matters. Not because of some grand conspiracy, but simply because they view world through different lens
    .

    Which simply is not the way most Euro-Americans view their identity.

    • Replies: @jack daniels
  47. Cowboy says:

    That hideous Ashkenazi Yenta reminds me of a Skeksis

  48. gotmituns says:
    @attilathehen

    most oriental female women have slanted vaginas as well as slanted eyes and sloped heads.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  49. GMC says:

    It all boils down to when the old Immigration Laws before 1965 where destroyed by the Jewish Lobby whose main plan – is what you see today. Old plan 65% white european country with 220 million people – New plan 340 million people that resembles the Heintz 57 dog pound. Until this is seen by every swingin D in the country – nothing will change – except a destroyed US of A/NWO. Thanks Unz.

  50. TKK says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    She’s spent ( or someone paid) for half a million dollars in education.

    But, she doesn’t use it to any practical purpose. She pontificates and scolds from the ivory tower , with its attendant goodies, luxurious perks and paid leisure time.

    She lives in a fantasy. Her experience is entirely theoretical.
    Pass.

    • Agree: jack daniels
  51. @gotmituns

    That’s an urban myth.

    (They’re 90 degrees off.)

  52. @Thulean Friend

    I have been making the case for repatriation in the Audacious Epigone blog with little success. To me it’s no less realistic than a peaceful separation of the US into politically divided countries.

    Funny thing is, assimilation worked fine with majority European immigrants, and with a minute amount of other races. But then even small, generational ethnic communities such as the older metro Chinatown areas aren’t what I would call assimilated. They are self segregated and complicit, living in a microcosm of the old country.

    Any more than 2-3% of any given non European race/ethnicity, and it won’t work. Large ethnic/racial groups will circle their wagons and start working towards their own interests. It’s natural.

    Save the nation theories aside, the most likely reality is economic, then political and infrastructural collapse. The country will break up into more localized authoritarian states that are established by group superiority. Violence is guaranteed.

  53. jester says:

    I called Donald the other day and suggested the following new immigration guidelines:

    -All immigration will cease and the borders closed
    -We need to do like the Israelis or South Africans during apartheid..get caught crossing the border and you will be shot
    -All illegals immediately deported
    -Any immigrant who commits a heinous crime will be executed and deported along with the family members who sponsored him or were sponsored by him
    -Any immigrant who commits a minor crime will serve his time but his family will all be immediately deported. He will join them later
    -Advertise worldwide that America will pay out no more benefits to immigrants legal or illegal
    -End the welfare system…work or starve
    -No more popping out foreign brats in the US for the sake of citizenship
    -When immigration is reopened no more darkies allowed. Their applications will immediately be shredded
    -All darkies presently living in the US will be relocated to Cummings jurisdiction in Baltimore. They dislike whites so let Cummings run them but without the white man’s federal aid

    Donald agreed that this would put an end to all our problems but said he could not do it because we live in a democracy …which is precisely why we have all these issues in the first place !!

    Everyone got on Adolph’s case when he booted out those people (you know who) ! How is the multicultural and adversity immigration policy working out for those Huns today ?? Not so good you say ??

    And what about the Japanese who do not allow anyone into the country.

    We have these problems with immigration because the word has spread all over the world. Come to the US because the authorities lack the will to heave you out. If one is living in a Mexican dump or in a hut made of mud and cow dung in some bug infested African country the facilities on the US border must be a 5 star paradise because tah dah ” Americans are humane!”

    They come here and dick with us because WE LET THEM !

    • Replies: @Durruti
  54. jester says:
    @gotmituns

    Because they are all skanks and spunkers who have not yet discovered soap, water and deodorant products !

  55. @jbwilson24

    Yes & no. How many Americans of Italian, Polish, Russian, Hungarian, Slovak, Ukrainian, Armenian …extraction know, after 2nd generation, their former national languages/script to a non-negligible extent? Close to zero.

    How many Jews know Hebrew script & a smattering of that language? It varies, but goes from 20% to 80%.

    How many Armenians, Croats, Poles, …. i.e. Americans, have attachment to their old home as their primary loyalty country (mind- I am not talking about helping old country when in trouble)? Not much.
    Which is the situation with Jews & Israel? Just check Pew report: https://www.pewforum.org/2013/10/01/jewish-american-beliefs-attitudes-culture-survey/ So, it depends.

    Besides, without Mafia topic Hollywood & American cinema would languish.

  56. @animalogic

    let’s make all countries (not just the US) work towards a world in which very – very few people WANT to immigrate

    On the way. After globalization breaks down, people everywhere will consider immigration an impossible dream, and so beyond wanting.

    Counterinsurgency

  57. @Achmed E. Newman

    Besides letting it destroy itself, as we are doing now

    Not exactly “letting it”, but it’s destroying itself right enough. Rats, anyone?

    Counterinsurgency

  58. Durruti says:

    John Derbyshire

    Thankyou for your essay.

    Thanks also for introducing me to Amy Wax.

  59. nsa says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    “She’s a hard culturist….”
    She? Derb the race mixing brit fraud pulled this goofy pseudo intellectual “culturist” stuff out of his ass. The Wax witch is an obvious jew and from the pic probably a trannie…..and a very ugly trannie at that. It’s axiomatic that anything promoted by the joo is going to be bad for yoo.

    • Replies: @Marcus
  60. Durruti says:
    @jester

    -We need to do like the Israelis or South Africans during apartheid..get caught crossing the border and you will be shot

    Are you a MOSSAD minion, with the assignment of discrediting Conservatism (in this case, American Conservatism) as well as blocking American opposition to the Zionist New World Order?

    You own words clearly identify who you serve.

    The solution is to Strengthen America – by restoring its Republic (destroyed by the MOSSAD & its Minions on November 22, 1963), thereby enabling our citizens to deal with our many issues (that may only be fixed by a Sovereign Nation, and its empowered Citizenry).

    • Replies: @jester
  61. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Thulean Friend

    Immigration moratorium made sense in the 1980s and possibly early 1990s. Now it is much too far gone for such a moderate strategy. Repatriation is the base minimum now.

    You would hardly expect The Derb to support repatriation. He’d have to go back too.

  62. Marcus says:
    @nsa

    Lol when you’re so autistic that you can’t accept aid from the few Jews who aren’t deranged leftoids. I guess you’d tell Beattie, Miller, Kaus, etc. to shove it. What a contribution.

    probably a trannie…..and a very ugly trannie at that.

    Which trannies catch your fancy?

    • Replies: @nsa
  63. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Thulean Friend

    Immigration moratorium made sense in the 1980s and possibly early 1990s. Now it is much too far gone for such a moderate strategy. Repatriation is the base minimum now.

    Given that it’s just about impossible to get sufficient support even to stop illegal immigration what on earth makes you think there’d be the slightest chance of getting any political traction for repatriation? Apart from wishful thinking.

    Don’t you think that arguing for repatriation of immigrants (presumably including Derbyshire) is just making it even more difficult to sell the idea of reducing immigration?

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
  64. J1234 says:

    Prof. Wax looks to me to be a culturist—not a biologian. Indeed, she tells us in her National Conservative talk that the idea she is promoting for our immigration policy is “cultural distance nationalism,”…
    Prof. Wax is actually well-qualified to be a biologian—to be in the third of my three categories, along with us race realists. Her first degree, from Yale, was in molecular biology, and she went on to get an M.D. from Harvard Medical School before switching to the law.

    I disagree, John. I believe she is a “biologian” and race realist (albeit somewhat covertly.) I just think that she rightfully places culture ahead of race in determining how well a society functions. I also think that she is trying to keep her job at Penn while still trying to maintain a high degree of intellectual honesty.

    One thing that I don’t like about Steve Sailer is that he sometimes tries to attribute race realist-ish qualities to academics who only skirt the issue in an incidental way. In the case of Amy Wax, however, I’m fairly confident that she recognizes the difference between the races with regards to innate intellectual ability. She’s used the phrase “for whatever reason” during interviews to describe the academic failure of black students too many times for me to think otherwise. The “magic dirt” phrase reinforces my perception. It makes me think that she might be reading your column or Steve’s.

    Like I said, however, she’s correct to place culture well ahead of race, as it reflects values. My message to some realists who are a little too superfluous about race: Who would you rather have living next door to you…the very white looking Meryl Streep or the very smart looking Michelle Malkin?

    • Replies: @Anonymous Jew
  65. @dfordoom

    Don’t you think that arguing for repatriation of immigrants (presumably including Derbyshire) is just making it even more difficult to sell the idea of reducing immigration?

    This is an academic discussion (since neither is happening any time soon) but it is _always_ a great negotiation tactic to take the most extreme possible position so that you can _compromise_ later and still have a somewhat acceptable outcome.

    You should never give ground before someone has agreed (at least in principle) to some sort of compromise.

    Immigration and a welfare state that includes immigrants as beneficiaries is a highly toxic brew–future generations will “get it” unless “history” has just been relegated to just another cargo cult in a future cultural wasteland.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  66. ““She’s a hard culturist….”
    She? Derb the race mixing brit fraud pulled this goofy pseudo intellectual “culturist” stuff out of his ass. The Wax witch is an obvious jew and from the pic probably a trannie…..and a very ugly trannie at that. It’s axiomatic that anything promoted by the joo is going to be bad for yoo”

    I like her. I think she is spot on, minus the language garble. I do think she leans a tad on the extra-judicious side of law — I can’t support that. But in this day and age anyone who is supporting

    abstinence, marriage, staying married, etc. And a moratorium — well, she is going to have my support. Laughing — though I suspect, I am not going to supporting the arrest of President Trump for “swearing” (I assume she means colorful language.).

    And anyone willing to stand in the public square and risk life and limb to press objective realities — gets my support. And in education she is in a lonely place. A moratorium —- absolutely. makes me swoon.

    ——————————————

    The culturalist idea has some issues and I have expressed why.

  67. This is from Pew research on American Jews:

    https://www.pewforum.org/dataset/a-portrait-of-jewish-americans/

    Three-quarters of U.S. Jews (including 85% of Jews by religion and 42% of Jews of no religion) also say they have “a strong sense of belonging to the Jewish people.” And emotional attachment to Israel has not waned discernibly among American Jews in the past decade, though it is markedly stronger among Jews by religion (and older Jews in general) than among Jews of no religion (and younger Jews in general).5

    Overall, about seven-in-ten Jews surveyed say they feel either very attached (30%) or somewhat attached (39%) to Israel, essentially unchanged since 2000-2001. In addition, 43% of Jews have been to Israel, including 23% who have visited more than once. And 40% of Jews say they believe the land that is now Israel was given by God to the Jewish people.

    Half of Jews (52%), including 60% of Jews by religion and 24% of Jews of no religion, say they know the Hebrew alphabet. But far fewer (13% of Jews overall, including 16% of Jews by religion and 4% of Jews of no religion) say they understand most or all of the words when they read Hebrew.

    Can you say anything similar for any Euro-American (Polish, English, Hungarian, Russian, Italian, Spanish, German, Armenian…) with regard to their old country & culture?

  68. Durruti says:
    @Hail

    The future looks to be dissolution, of the bloated entity known as the United States of America.

    Another suspicious commentator suggests We Americans -surrender- to the Zionist New World Order.

    Yes, the only Nation the Zionist Oligarchs support is the Bloated Eretz Israel, which may be founded only over the dead bodies of the Patriots and the suppliant bodies of the prostitutes and slaves found in the ruins of once proud Nations and Free People.

    The ‘suggestion’ (on the spurious grounds of preserving the white race in some small/weak Gaza like Concentration camps), of the dissolution of America into small and easily manageable Bantustans is being advanced by increasing numbers at this website.

    The suggestion is Treason, and advocates cowardly surrender to the worst imperialist and racist brand of fascism yet invented, (that of the Zionist Oligarchs’ New World Order).

    I suggest Resistance, with the concurrent effort to Restore Our Sovereign Republic (that was destroyed in a hail of gunfire on November 22, 1963), with a Republic, strengthened by a People in Motion and in Arms. Then we may repair the damage (cure our ills), and bring to justice the would be destroyers of our Nation, and their minions.

    *The recent revelations of the sad pedafile Epstein and his numerous connections to the Zionist Entity and the top American Traitor Puppets, only underlines the necessity of our Defending our Country, and its next Generation from these scum.

    The United States of America, one Nation, under God, with Liberty & Justice for all.

    Durruti

    • Replies: @Hail
    , @jester
  69. @Anon

    and pay off our $400M a year in interest payment to our existing debt.

    It’s $400B…

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  70. Anon[181] • Disclaimer says:

    arguing for the promotion of bourgeois values: get married, stay married, obey the law, don’t swear in public, and so on.

    I think the bourgeois have no values and desacralize everything but the pursuit of profit.

    That’s why the music industry poisons our children, politicians shamelessly lie, and globalist corporations openly sell us out.

    Let’s replace the lying politicians, thieving businessmen, corrupt media, and bloodsucking lawyers who rule over us with non-materialist hierarchy. We need a new aristocracy that actually values honor and ethnic loyalty.

  71. @buckwheat

    The entire country has been nigahfied…

    Is that better or worse than Hitler’s assessment, in the mid 30s, that it had been Judified?

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  72. druid55 says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    On a smaller scale, the welfare mentality of Seattle is encouraging the homeless to move there, and is destroying the city and many of it’s businesses!

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  73. Wax is Dialectical.

  74. @Curmudgeon

    “…Hitler held U.S. society in contempt, stating that the United States (which he consistently referred to as the “American Union”) was “half Judaized, and the other half Negrified” and that “in so far as there are any decent people in America, they are all of German origin…”

    Source : Wikipedia, New Order (Nazism).

    • Replies: @jack daniels
  75. @J1234

    A small percentage of Michelle Malkin types are fine and even preferable. But when they’re a large percentage of the population their children – even if high IQ – will create tribal distinctions because…humans.

    95% White and 5% high-achieving non-Black others would be my ideal, prefaced on a strong national identity that encourages assimilation, etc. I think more Whites would go for that than choosing types like Streep over Malkin.

    There’s not much we can do now, and Trump’s only real utility has been increased awareness for Whites (in part by creating increased craziness on the left). The near future is bleak, but maybe far into the future there’s a chance at a smaller White-ish (with a few Michelle Malkins) defacto ethno state. Otherwise it’s over. Places like California are lost. Most Whites would rather – formally or informally – just cede the Black Belt, SW et al.

    • Agree: Bardon Kaldian
    • Replies: @jack daniels
  76. @MEH 0910

    You must be new here. Attilathehen’s comments are always filled with non sequiturs, besides being monomaniacal on the subject of Derb’s family. You’ll learn to ignore her.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  77. nsa says:
    @Marcus

    “you are so autistic that you can’t accept aid from the few jews……blah blah blah”.
    You are probably a reincarnated denizen of Troy……one of the gullible proles who hauled that large wooden horse inside the city walls.

    • Replies: @Marcus
  78. @joe2.5

    Typical liberal style of argument: go straight for the ad hominem.

    Ad hominem is for people who ran out of arguments, or are just plain small-minded. Usually both.

  79. My American Dream, effective immediately:

    1) end birthright citizenship, only those with at least 1 parent as citizen at time of birth can be citizen
    2) a 40 year moratorium on all immigration, incl. student visa and spousal visa
    3) revoke citizenship from all those born to parents who were not citizens at time of birth
    4) seizure of all assets and forcible removal of all non-citizens after a 6 month grace period for self deportation, including all green card holders and dual citizens
    5) Cancel all green cards and employment visas, end dual citizenship
    6) ban all non-citizens from owning real estate in the US

    Yeah the tech plantation owners are gonna scream bloody murder, 80% of their employees are cheap code coolies from third world hellholes. Let them go move their offices to these shithole countries that supposedly produce all their “best and brightest”, “highly skilled”. We will survive just fine without them. Take all the effing Jews, homos and antifa with them. Eff these treasonous mofos.

    • Replies: @jester
  80. @Rich

    50% of Americans who voted, voted for Hilary Clinton.

    You mean 50% of “Americans” who voted. I suspect there were millions of illegal voters, now that practically all states allow people to register to vote when they get their driver’s license, and don’t even check for ID when they vote.

    We should have a new law that says anyone found voting illegally at any time in any capacity will be denied change of immigration status down the road, whether for renewal of visa, change in visa type, applying for green card or citizenship.

    Also it’s time to make the citizenship test *much* harder, to include both written and spoken English proficiency, understanding of US history and western civilization incl. classical music and Christianity.

  81. Dutch Boy says:

    Mr. Derbyshire’s categories are not discrete but interrelated, with each affecting the other. Religion affects culture which can affect biology (by creating selection pressure for various traits, e.g., intelligence). Biology can also affect culture (groups of low intelligence are unlikely to produce high culture).

  82. “The Wax witch is an obvious jew and from the pic probably a trannie…..and a very ugly trannie at that”

    I have to bite my tongue here. I see no reason to challenge her biology as she presents it or as it is provided by others. Nor am I inclined to challenge anyone’s attractiveness. It’s a very fluid matter . . . attractiveness. As an ugly guy myself I would prefer people consider my character as opposed to my appearance, though appearance matters.

    I took a look at her profile again at the college where she teaches, I think. She looks attractive to me. I doubt she has the legs of Tina Turner, but few women do. She is certainly shorter than Miss Coulter who has also been accused of being a something other than female. My standard: if you were born with a uterus you are a female — regardless of what else you do to change that.

    (biology has very few rare exceptions to that standard)

  83. @animalogic

    No immigration, on purely pragmatic grounds, sounds a bit challenging.

    No it’s not. Quite the reverse in fact.

    I wish Unz commenters–of all people–could get their heads out their asses.

    No immigration is normal. Historically people do not *let* other people into their territory–other people have to fight their way in. And around the world … there is very little immigration into anywhere but the West.

    What happened in the Western hemisphere was not “immigration” it was conquest. People flowing into a territory when their people beat some other people is normal. But then–in a fit of silliness–due to minoritarianism, big state lefitism, capitalism, there was a push to continue and then actually allow other people, not from the conquering tribe, in. That’s where things really went awry.

    But the bottom line here: no one, no nation needs any immigrants. Period. End of story. Zero is just fine. And it’s the easiest policy to justify–especially in the West–precisely because you do not have to wade into any of the racial/cultural arguments to make it. You can make simply by doing basic math: Higher wages, cheaper housing, and “do we let the nation grow and grow until it’s a shithole? …. or keep it a nice place for our posterity.”

    • Agree: MikeatMikedotMike
    • Replies: @animalogic
  84. @joe2.5

    You, Derbyshire, should never have been allowed to immigrate, according to your theories, and you shouldn’t have tried to in the first place. Your cultural distance to America is stellar.

    Joe, you think this is interesting or telling but it’s just stupid.

    First off Derbyshire–not his wife, but Derb himself–has less cultural distance to the core US population than pretty much any other immigrant.

    Secondly, all these “but your ancestors …” things are stupid. I freely admit the Anglo USofA would have been just fine not letting my Irish and German ancestors in. They didn’t have to. And those folks weren’t some critical–can’t live without ’em–benefit to the Anglos. Just bodies for settling the prairies (my people) or building railroads or staffing factories.

    The past is past. It’s a source of knowledge, insight into how people behave. But just because A let B come in doesn’t mean A+B or descendants of A+B have any reason to let anyone else in. Rather any people should evaluate what makes sense *right now* to provide a good future to their children down the road.

    This is not complicated stuff.

  85. @Rich

    50% of Americans who voted, voted for Hilary Clinton. Majorities of Americans voted for Obama.

    The immigration question is never posed directly to voters.

    Lots of Democrats would like to see less immigration. They are voting on other issues and identity. Almost all Republican voters–not their big donnors nor their beltway apparatchiks but actual voters–are for less immigration.

    The polls should a plurality for “less would be better”. And that’s without a full serious immigration debate and that is with all the “racist!” yelling and screaming and the establishment/liberal/Jewish media. If there was a referendum on the immigration issue, and a debate before it that was public and open … ok, i’m not saying it would be route for a moratorium, but there would almost certainly be a solid victory for the “less” side. The argument is really one sided. Immigrationism really makes no sense it’s an outright attack on the quality of life for the descendants of current Americans whatever their race.

    All that said … i more or less agree with you. We aren’t going to be allowed to have such a debate or vote. The future America looks to be sort of a high end whiter/Asianer–hence more competent– version of Brazil. One would have to bet on China just kicking our ass. (Which seems to be what the Chinese have concluded.)

  86. I think these observations are correct:

    1. A let B come in doesn’t mean A+B or descendants of A+B have any reason to let anyone else in.

    2. The US needs 0 immigrants (not a single one) Best to invest in who we have.

    • Replies: @jester
  87. Hail says: • Website
    @Durruti

    All states (political entities) eventually come to an end, replaced by new ones. As often as not, it’s for the better. Sometimes for the worse. But it is likely for the better if the state in question is in serious decline or has some other problem whereby the state becomes hostile to the people.

    Your position, while coming from the right place emotionally, might be comparable to someone in the 18th century and early 19th century angrily demanding the Holy Roman Empire stay together. Or in 1775 denouncing the pro-independence activists because severing ties with Mother Britain would create thirteen weak”Bantustans” in isolated, far-off North America.

    Dissolution offers the hope of rebirth.

    To quote a very smart man:

    [I]n the course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them

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    , @jester
  88. Agent76 says:

    July 18, 2019 What Was it All For? Veterans Have Finally Turned On America’s Endless Wars

    It is undoubtedly my favorite part of every wedding. That awkward, but strangely forthright moment when the preacher asks the crowd for any objections to the couple’s marriage. No one ever objects, of course, but it’s still a raw, if tense, moment. I just love it.

    https://thefreethoughtproject.com/veterans-turning-against-war/

  89. @Rex Little

    And yet, everything I state is correct.

    Other commentators have thanked me for alerting them to Derbyshire’s degeneracy.

    Once again, you prove what I constantly state. Most Unz commentators are cucks who cannot deal with facts.

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  90. @Crimean refugee

    Sorry, Anon, and C.R., yeah, I could see that the number was off, but sure couldn’t do much correcting on a little phone.

  91. @animalogic

    OK, you got me — “make” is the wrong word. How about “encourage” as being in the best interests of of all of us…. Or do “common interests” imply a communist plot to you?

    Yup, hold the light bulb steady and turn the house. That’s the ticket.

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  92. yeah…lol…why not an immigration moratorium…yeah, and why not give pigs wings so they can fly? And why not give me a billion dollars!!???

    I think I really have figured out the dissident right online…they are selling false hope to angry white men…i used to be one of them…i used to believe that the online dissident Right would lead a rebellion against the treasonous elites and that we could stop immigration…etc etc etc…but i was so much younger then…I’m older than that now…and much wiser…richard spencer is correct…the online Dissident Right is basically grifters…they are selling false hope…and they want money…vdare, et al…just out for money…selling false hope….newsflash, my fellow white men–> WE LOST…and we have NO CHANCE…the gop is not our friend…vote instead for the most radical leftist Dems you can find…blend into these new and terrible world our elites have created…become nonwhite….claim to be nonwhite or mixed race…we lost…and we need to adapt to our loss…no more delusion, please…no more grifting…

  93. @AnotherDad

    Well, yes, you seem as naive as I am. Incidentally, immigration is ALWAYS about quantity. 10, 100, 1000 10,000 they ALL MEAN different things.
    Of course we live on a Clod of earth with well over 7 bill people. That means something….fucking scary.

  94. @kaganovitch

    Sorry, don’t understand the “turn the house” bit. I get “that’s the ticket” if I can get the context…..

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  95. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Justvisiting

    This is an academic discussion (since neither is happening any time soon) but it is _always_ a great negotiation tactic to take the most extreme possible position so that you can _compromise_ later and still have a somewhat acceptable outcome.

    In politics, not necessarily. Sometimes it’s more advantageous to paint your side as the moderates and your opponents as the extremists.

  96. Marcus says:
    @nsa

    One has to wonder why you’re sharing your IP address with (((Mr. Unz’s))) website in that case, another gullible prole!

  97. Durruti says:
    @Hail

    To quote a very smart man:

    To quote anyone – you must quote in context.

    Thomas Jefferson, and the Founders, Washington, Franklin, the Adams, Hamilton, Tom Paine, Madison, and many others were advocating the CREATION of a new and sufficiently powerful Nation to advance its own destiny. That is why the 13 Colonies UNITED to form the United States of America.

    From the Declaration of Independence authored by Jefferson,

    [MORE]

    We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal… governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles…”

    There is nothing in here about the dissolution of a Nation, but the creation of one in a geographical area, located 3000 miles away, over a vast ocean, from its colonial controller.

    You support dissolution, of America, while failing to mention the greatest single crime being committed in 2019, which is the ethnic Cleansing of the Palestinian People, by the Rothschild & other multi-Billionaire Zionist Oligarchs. All other crimes stem from this one.

    The Zionist Oligarchs are attempting the construction of an Eretz Israel, over a foundation of dead Palestinian bodies, and destroyed Arab Nations, and American taxpayers are paying for all this.

    You glibly fail to mention the Coup D’état of November 22, 1963 (with the assassination of our last Constitutional President, John F. Kennedy), and 9/11, and the assault on the Liberty, among other crimes committed by the Zionists against our Citizenry.

    You allow the Epstein scandal to pass, with his connections to The Entity, and his connections to the top Democraps & Republicains – without a mention.

    It is easy to break, and convenient to forget.

    You advocate dissolution of America, but not the Zionist Entity. Whom do you serve?

    Durruti

  98. ” . . . and why not give pigs wings so they can fly?”

    You want flying pigs.

    https://www.lockheedmartin.com/content/dam/lockheed-martin/aero/documents/c5/c5_product_card_m11-1132343a.pdf

    This baby can haul a lot of pigs.

  99. @animalogic

    Apologies, I thought I was being clear.I meant fixing the World so that it doesn’t want to come to your country, rather than fixing your country to disallow invasion, is analogous to holding the light bulb and turning the house. I.E. a much more difficult way of achieving desired effect.

    • Replies: @animalogic
    , @jack daniels
  100. @kaganovitch

    Immigration or “invasion” if you like is about “push” & “pull” factors. You have to work both sides of the coin — even if seems like screwing the house onto the globe (never heard that one before — like it)

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  101. @animalogic

    Fixing the world is a very slippery slope though. It almost always involves what Steve calls “Invade the World” with the attendant “You broke it, you bought it ” issues.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  102. jester says:
    @Some random anon

    Amen ! Our problems in this country would disappear in a very short time.

  103. jester says:
    @Durruti

    Dirty or Darrutti or whatever…a silly name from a silly man who lives in a dream world. You have your head so far in the clouds that the thin air affects your ability to think and reason. Or….and this possibility exists, you have it up your own ass. Get real and join us other commentators in the real world. What you suggest exists only in your befuddled head filled with befuddled dog shit. Hail is right. You should ponder what he says.

    THINK man for Christ’s sake. We read this blog to get useful ideas and comments not the crap you expound !

  104. jester says:
    @Hail

    Darruti is 70 years old, dropped out of school in JK, is unemployed and still lives in his mothers basement. He comes out to see his shadow in spring and dreams of what a Utopia would be like.

    A wise man (my Father) said “If Utopia were a toilet I would mount up to take a dump”

    Dream on Darrutti, you keep our hopes alive for a better world based on your pipe dreams !

  105. jester says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    I agree. Unfortunately once we let Dorinder Singh, Mohammed Aziz and Wing Lee Sun and Mbote Badongo into the country, this becomes licence to also import their aunts, great grand father, second removed cousin’s uncle from his second marriage etc.

    These in turn can then sponsor their litter brood of direct and indirect relatives and descendants going back three generations.

    That is why in my neighbourhood I see so many elderly folk who speak not a word of English wandering about all day or sitting in the local coffee shop from dawn to dusk shouting some gibberish into a $1200 phone.

    I don;t mind to tell the truth. The Jester is proud to work 60 hours a week to support adversity oops I mean diversity and multiculturalism. My taxes also help keep the Police and Garbage collectors busy and off the dole. Heaven forbid they further strain the system and these productive immigrants have to make do with less. The last thing I want is a protest or riot where they torch their taxpayer funded cribs.

    In addition, patient investors have thanked my profusely because as the years roll by they can buy up immigrant dump areas for 10 cents on the dollar or sometimes even for a dollar, renovate them and sell them for a fortune.

    So Mr EliteComminc, I will have you know I fully support unlimited immigration. I say “Go ahead….make my day”!

  106. jester says:
    @Durruti

    YOU are too emotional and high strung. You need to read my entire comment rather than cherry pick a few lines and write a load of twaddle and drivel.

    Anyone looking to solve a problem, especially if they have some sense, looks for the best solution usually from people who have been through the same experience and solved the problem.

    Lets look at it. Suppose you invest in a convenience store in a dangerous area. The owners sold it they were unable to cope with the people and conditions of the ‘hood. Over the course of a few months you get robbed, beaten and the store trashed. You talk to local leaders, the church pastor and even the local gang that hangs out at the corner. Look you say, if I close up shop you will have to travel half hour by subway to buy groceries. You are ignored. The Police tell you they have 100 major crimes they are investigating and confidentially they don’t give a shit about your stolen chocolate bars. You are stunned. Shortly after, three kids rampage through the shop kicking down stands and stealing what they carry. They throw a can of chili right at your head sending you to the hospital for 12 stitches.

    [MORE]

    Desperate, you start to ask around “How can I fix this situation”? Someone tells you they know a Bubba who had the same problem. You visit Bubba who is the suspicious sort because he got out of Riker’s Island a few years ago. He tells you how he solved HIS very similar problem.

    On the way home you purchase a machete, two knives and a Winchester Defender plus a box of combat load shells. You load up, rack one of those fuckers into the chamber and take the safety off.

    Sure enough a week later three characters walk into the store. One is armed with a gun, another with a knife and the third with a bat. The guy with the gun immediately gets a blast to the face and is down, the other two run for the door but forget that it opens inward. They cannot get out and so come back at you. The guy with the knife gets a load in the chest and the third fellow throws down the bat and surrenders. However you have had enough. He gets a load in the balls. You come out from behind the counter and put the machete in his hands. He will live after getting 6 liters of blood but once recovered and in his wheelchair will serve as an example on the street. The cops come around but they don’t give a shit. They have had enough themselves. The last part of the plan is you put out the word that anyone who fucks with you will pay for it…dearly.

    The problem you used to have is solved. This does not make you a black man, a criminal or an ex convict/ jailbird. It does not make you Bubba. All you have done is investigated the best solution and implemented your plan. Hence forward everyone from the pastor, the community leaders and the new kids on the street corner KNOW that there is a terminal penalty for disrespecting your territory.

    Similarly, my comment does not make me a Mossad agent. Try sneaking into North Korea over the border. You will get an unpleasant reception. It does not make the North Koreans zionists or Mossad. You personally would not know a Mossad operative if he let you play with his tool with the star of David tattooed on it.

    The US is out of control with serious internal and external problems. Criminality is rampant and the border situation and immigration is in a crisis. Like the example of the grocery store, things have been allowed to get wishy washy. How many questionable characters sneak in among the crowd of border jumpers. Is there a serial killer or child molester on parole living next door to you. One day you will find out.

    Soon, and you can take this to the bank, drastic measures will have to be taken to get the message across. When that time comes it does not matter whether the corrective method is Israeli or from the Devil himself.

    When that time comes people who don’t hear will have to feel. Better hope an empty head idiot dub like you is not one of them. It is disconcerting to be an idealist and be on the receiving end of the criminal element. You better hope a basement dwelling Mossad agent spy identifier / catcher like you does not find this out the hard way.

    Oh and by the way, you can forget all this bullshit about “restoring the Republic” regardless of who is responsible for subverting it. Those days are gone forever !

    Wake up and come live in the real world. You will find it refreshing to escape from under your Mom’s dress and face reality. Finally you asshole,,,, tell your sister Ari says hello !

  107. dfordoom says: • Website
    @kaganovitch

    Fixing the world is a very slippery slope though. It almost always involves what Steve calls “Invade the World” with the attendant “You broke it, you bought it ” issues.

    Agreed.

    The best plan for fixing the world is to just leave it alone. Let other countries deal with their own problems in their own way.

  108. Prof Wax is not qualified to hold an opinion on the relationship between biology and culture. It seems clear enough that biology has an effect on culture and vice versa. It’s true that culture is produced by biological brains interacting but that’s irrelevant to the question of causation. The same brain could be a Christian or a Marxist or an Aryan Supremacist, depending on circumstances. A culture that promotes intelligence as a requirement in a mate will produce more intelligence over time than one that promotes broad shoulders, and vice versa. If Jews and blacks traded mating habits, after a few centuries the blacks would be the neurosurgeons and the Jews would be cleaning the toilets.
    btw didn’t I see Prof. Wax in the SI Swimsuit issue? She’s a doll!

  109. @Bardon Kaldian

    But I have read that Jews tend to have a great deal of DNA in common, to the point where two randomly picked Jews are likely to be closer than average cousins.

  110. @Franklin Ryckaert

    Don’t trust Wikipedia. The thing is produced mostly by commies.
    In general, Hitler thought well of America, as with Britain.
    Since America is a Christian nation, it would be better to let in African Christians than European Jews, who usually end up trying to overthrow the goverment or turn our kids into homosexuals.

  111. @Anonymous Jew

    What needs to happen is simply the overthrow of a number of taboos that make it impossible to state reasonable opinions without apology. The Overton Window doesn’t have to move glacially but can leap around like a gnome. Once that happens the whole game changes. People need to stop being embarrassed to say things that the left has conditioned us not to say. I realize that taboo-breaking will be prohibitively “expensive” for many, but the rest of the people need to jump in. Anything you would say when drunk or on truth serum is probably a viable opinion. Not necessarily true, but not insane either. What’s wrong with preferring a country made up of people like oneself? That’s what most people want so it can’t be that bad. People on the right also underestimate the ability of public opinion to change. They (we) tend to lack imagination. In the 1960s radicals called for the violent overthrow of the US government and nobody arrested them for saying that and it was actually a good line if you wanted to get laid.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  112. dfordoom says: • Website
    @jack daniels

    What’s wrong with preferring a country made up of people like oneself?

    The problem is that white liberals don’t see whites as being people like themselves. They see liberals as being people like themselves. Rich white people don’t see whites as being people like themselves. They see rich people as being people like themselves. Middle-class white people don’t see whites as being people like themselves. They see middle-class people as being people like themselves. White homosexuals don’t see whites as being people like themselves. They see homosexuals as being people like themselves. White hipsters don’t see whites as being people like themselves. They see hipsters as being people like themselves.

    Even working-class white people are somewhat inclined to see working-class people rather than white people as being people like themselves.

    By the time you subtract all the white people who don’t see other white people as being people like themselves you’re left with a rather small number of people who are going to buy the white solidarity argument.

  113. @KenH

    “if the 14th amendment means anyone can sneak in here and drop an anchor baby which was not the framers intent. ”

    The “framers” were all dead by the time that the red republicans foisted the 14th amendment on what was left of the US after Lincoln’s war. There are indications that the 14th failed ratification and was enacted anyway.

    Much of the text of the 14th deals with punishing the states that had seceded. The 14th amendment’s intent was to overturn the relationship between the states and the federal government established in the constitution.

  114. @gotmituns

    Come on, now. You hafta admit that she is kinda hot.

  115. @attilathehen

    Please seek help before you snap and kill us all.

  116. Random says:

    Another contribution to this Parlour game of wishful thinking would be this:
    Deport all the millions of illegals,
    Drop the anchor baby citizenship,
    Deport all Foreign-born and children of foreign-born Muslims, Encourage rapid legal asylum for white South Africans and white Europeans/Aussies/Kiwis,
    Encourage rapid emigration for anyone who wants to leave,
    Bar dual citizenship, Build the wall and seriously defend it from encroachment, and finally
    Place a one hundred year moratorium on all immigration except for a handful of special humanitarian asylum cases that are bound to arise.

  117. jester says:

    It may be a parlour game right now but history shows us that these games quickly become serious.

    It baffles me that all these immigrants came to the US for a better life and yet rather than feel happy and grateful for the opportunity all they have is perpetual complaints.

    Human patience takes and takes until one day there is that proverbial straw.

    Mass deportation, expulsion and an immigration moratorium are not difficult. Other nations within living memory have done them. This is something troublemakers, race hustlers and rabble rousers do not seem to understand or recognize.

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  119. MEH 0910 says:
    @MEH 0910

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