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It has been a week of appalling abuses committed by Israeli soldiers in the West Bank – little different from the other 2,670 weeks endured by Palestinians since the occupation began in 1967.

The difference this past week was that several entirely unexceptional human rights violations that had been caught on film went viral on social media.

One shows a Palestinian father in the West Bank city of Hebron leading his son by the hand to kindergarten. The pair are stopped by two heavily armed soldiers, there to help enforce the rule of a few hundred illegal Jewish settlers over the city’s Palestinian population.

The soldiers scream at the father, repeatedly and violently push him and then grab his throat as they accuse his small son of throwing stones. As the father tries to shield his son from the frightening confrontation, one soldier pulls out his rifle and sticks it in the father’s face.

It is a minor incident by the standards of Israel’s long-running belligerent occupation. But it powerfully symbolises the unpredictable, humiliating, terrifying and sometimes deadly experiences faced daily by millions of Palestinians.

A video of another such incident emerged last week. A Palestinian man is ordered to leave an area by an armed Israeli policewoman. He turns and walks slowly away, his hands in the air. Moments later she shoots a sponge-tipped bullet into his back. He falls to the ground, writhing in agony.

It is unclear whether the man was being used for target practice or simply for entertainment.

The reason such abuses are so commonplace is that they are almost never investigated – and even less often are those responsible punished.

It is not simply that Israeli soldiers become inured to the suffering they inflict on Palestinians daily. It is the soldiers’ very duty to crush the Palestinians’ will for freedom, to leave them utterly hopeless. That is what is required of an army policing a population permanently under occupation.

The message is only underscored by the impunity the soldiers enjoy. Whatever they do, they have the backing not only of their commanders but of the government and courts.

Just that point was underlined late last month. An unnamed Israeli army sniper was convicted of shooting dead a 14-year-old boy in Gaza last year. The Palestinian child had been participating in one of the weekly protests at the perimeter fence.

Such trials and convictions are a great rarity. Despite damning evidence showing that Uthman Hillis was shot in the chest with a live round while posing no threat, the court sentenced the sniper to the equivalent of a month’s community service.

In Israel’s warped scales of justice, the cost of a Palestinian child’s life amounts to no more than a month of extra kitchen duties for his killer.

But the overwhelming majority of the 220 Palestinian deaths at the Gaza fence over the past 20 months will never be investigated. Nor will the wounding of tens of thousands more Palestinians, many of them now permanently disabled.

There is an equally disturbing trend. The Israeli public have become so used to seeing YouTube videos of soldiers – their sons and daughters – abuse Palestinians that they now automatically come to the soldiers’ defence, however egregious the abuses.

The video of the father and son threatened in Hebron elicited few denunciations. Most Israelis rallied behind the soldiers. Amos Harel, a military analyst for the liberal Haaretz newspaper, observed that an “irreversible process” was under way among Israelis: “The soldiers are pure and any criticism of them is completely forbidden.”

When the Israeli state offers impunity to its soldiers, the only deterrence is the knowledge that such abuses are being monitored and recorded for posterity – and that one day these soldiers may face real accountability, in a trial for war crimes.

But Israel is working hard to shut down those doing the investigating – human rights groups.

For many years Israel has been denying United Nations monitors – including international law experts like Richard Falk and Michael Lynk – entry to the occupied territories in a blatant bid to stymie their human rights work.

Last week Human Rights Watch, headquartered in New York, also felt the backlash. The Israeli supreme court approved the deportation of Omar Shakir, its Israel-Palestine director.

Before his appointment by HRW, Shakir had called for a boycott of the businesses in illegal Jewish settlements. The judges accepted the state’s argument: he broke Israeli legislation that treats Israel and the settlements as indistinguishable and forbids support for any kind of boycott.

But Shakir rightly understands that the main reason Israel needs soldiers in the West Bank – and has kept them there oppressing Palestinians for more than half a century – is to protect settlers who were sent there in violation of international law.

The collective punishment of Palestinians, such as restrictions on movement and the theft of resources, was inevitable the moment Israel moved the first settlers into the West Bank. That is precisely why it is a war crime for a state to transfer its population into occupied territory.

But Shakir had no hope of a fair hearing. One of the three judges in his case, Noam Sohlberg, is himself just such a lawbreaker. He lives in Alon Shvut, a settlement near Hebron.

Israel’s treatment of Shakir is part of a pattern. In recent days other human rights groups have faced the brunt of Israel’s vindictiveness.

Laith Abu Zeyad, a Palestinian field worker for Amnesty International, was recently issued a travel ban, denying him the right to attend a relative’s funeral in Jordan. Earlier he was refused the right to accompany his mother for chemotherapy in occupied East Jerusalem.

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And last week Arif Daraghmeh, a Palestinian field worker for B’Tselem, an Israeli human rights group, was seized at a checkpoint and questioned about his photographing of the army’s handling of Palestinian protests. Daraghmeh had to be taken to hospital after being forced to wait in the sun.

It is a sign of Israel’s overweening confidence in its own impunity that it so openly violates the rights of those whose job it is to monitor human rights.

Palestinians, meanwhile, are rapidly losing the very last voices prepared to stand up and defend them against the systematic abuses associated with Israel’s occupation. Unless reversed, the outcome is preordained: the rule of the settlers and soldiers will grow ever more ruthless, the repression ever more ugly.

A version of this article first appeared in the National, Abu Dhabi.

Jonathan Cook won the Martha Gellhorn Special Prize for Journalism. His books include “Israel and the Clash of Civilisations: Iraq, Iran and the Plan to Remake the Middle East” (Pluto Press) and “Disappearing Palestine: Israel’s Experiments in Human Despair” (Zed Books). His website is www.jonathan-cook.net.

 
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  1. The reason such abuses are so commonplace is that they are almost never investigated – and even less often are those responsible punished.

    And yet apparently this must have been one of the “few” instances where it was investigated and those responsible punished, yet somehow you neglected to mention that fact.

  2. A123 says:

    But the overwhelming majority of the 220 Palestinian deaths at the Gaza fence over the past 20 months will never be investigated.

    Violent Iranian al’Hamas assaults on the Israeli border occur every Friday. All a Gaza resident has to do to stay safe is stay away. Alas, the fact that war criminals run UNRWA creates a huge problem. UNRWA services are not ‘free’. Each family must provide a quota of human shields for Iranian al’Hamas combat troops or lose access to UNRWA services.

    For many years Israel has been denying United Nations monitors – including international law experts like Richard Falk and Michael Lynk – entry to the occupied territories in a blatant bid to stymie their human rights work.

    When will Falk and Lynk, begin investigating war criminals from the U.N. & Iran that caused the “220 Palestinian deaths at the Gaza fence”? An investigation to determine which U.N. employees and Iranian officials are personally responsible for deaths would be valid under international law, and receive cooperation.

    Of course, there is a conflict of interest problem with allowing the UNRWA war criminals to investigate themselves. Rather than relying on Collaborator Falk and Collaborator Lynk, it would be much better to pick investigators that have not personally profited from U.N. corruption.

    PEACE 😇

    • Disagree: Gall
  3. Did ya hear the one about rham the emmanuel’s terrorist dad?

  4. It’s not Israel silencing the news world wide, it’s the American govt. and their overlords, the zionists in USA.
    YouTube is unbelievable, silencing anti-zionists left right and center. Channels one has subscribed to, do not appear; truth sayers, beautiful idiosyncratic people like Brother Nathaniel disappear.
    The tragedy is that human memory is short and if this continues, lots of truth tellers against these zionists will be left in the wasteland and forgotten.
    Please support Julian Assange, Chelsea Manning and other truth tellers.

  5. Lordemed says:

    Why no mention of abuses against Palestinians by their “leadership”?

    • Agree: Fran Taubman
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  6. @Lordemed

    Yeah why don’t they try to find the billions in the Swiss bank accounts of the Palestinian leadership trying to keep their people down and lost. If there was ever peace and prosperity they would loose their income and have to actually govern and be responsible.

    The Palestinian leaders income comes from foreign governments not on the taxation of their constituents. The Oslo Peace process guaranteed incomes for their leaders. The peace process is a cottage industry.
    The whole thing is so corrupt and cruel. The Palestinian leaders are Jihadist looking for Jihad not peace and prosperity. There professions are killing Jews.

  7. The BDS movement is proceeding at a pace more rapidly than the divestment movement against South African Apartheid originally had:

    https://visualizingpalestine.org/visuals/divesting-for-justice-timeline

    Keep the long game in mind. Israel will be brought to heel soon enough.

    • Replies: @A123
  8. A123 says:
    @AnonStarter

    Could you stop with the absurd lies? Your Boxcar Death System [BDS] ‘movement’ is losing rapidly almost everywhere. For example in the U.S. House of Representatives (1):

    ….rebuke to BDS supporters in the House led by Ilhan Omar (D-MN) and Rashida Tlaib (D-MI), and it was a clear defeat in the ongoing confrontation between the far-left progressives and the Democratic leadership, particularly Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

    Keep the long game in mind. The violent Iranian theocracy and its BDS ‘movement’ dedicated to the extermination of Jews will be brought to heel soon enough.

    PEACE 😇
    _______

    (1) https://www.algemeiner.com/2019/08/01/amid-campus-battles-bds-loses-on-the-national-stage/

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  9. Trinity says:

    Whites in America, Europe, Canada, and Australia, aren’t much better off than the Palestinians. So while I do have empathy for the Palestinians, excuse me for not having this at the top of my to do list to be concerned about. My white brothers in South Africa are suffering horribly and that should be every white persons number one concern outside of his or her own white countrymen. Even here in America, the alleged “Land Of The Free,” our most valuable freedom, the right to free speech is being challenged by THE USUAL SUSPECTS. (((These People))) wish to make Palestinians out of all of us. Alas we have the media, ALL OF THEM, from Anderson Cooper to Tucker Carlson, telling everyone that Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East, and that Israel is America’s “bestest” friend in the whole world. Of course none of these extremely well paid off talking heads will bring up the Lavon Affair, the attack on the USS Liberty, Jonathan Pollard, 5 dancing Israelis during 911, all the Jews involved in the Epstein sex trafficking scandal, etc. Just imagine if Ghislane Maxwell, the daughter of Mossad spy, Robert Maxwell, Epstein, Epstein’s lawyers, etc., would have all been Russian, Chinese, or North Korean? Do you think the media would have pointed out that the Russkies, Chinese, or Koreans were blackmailing world leaders in comprising positions? So what makes you think that (((these people))) will report on what is going on with the Palestinians.

  10. @A123

    /[BDS] ‘movement’ is losing rapidly almost everywhere./

    Actually, it’s curbstomping your crew in America.

    The sharper zionazis know their efforts to outlaw it were destined to fail from jumpstreet, since it’s fairly clear that it will never clear the hurdle of the First Amendment once it reaches the courts. And they’re correct: most lawsuits brought on behalf of those engaged directly or indirectly in the movement have failed miserably. The only one that’s succeeded is currently in the appellate court and, more than likely, destined to suffer a similar fate, Lord willing.

    Truth is, your comrades-in-arms are just pushing the envelope as an intimidation tactic. Fortunately, it’s not working.

    Third federal court rules anti-BDS law violates First Amendment

    https://www.thefire.org/third-federal-court-rules-anti-bds-law-violates-first-amendment/

    [T]he Court is guided by first principles. “At the heart of the First Amendment lies the principle that each person should decide for him or herself the ideas and beliefs deserving of expression, consideration, and adherence. Our political system and cultural life rest upon this ideal.” Turner Broad. Sys. v. FCC, 512 U.S. 622, 641 (1994) (citations omitted). … The statute threatens “to suppress unpopular ideas” and “manipulate the public debate through coercion rather than persuasion.” Turner, 512 U.S. at 641. This the First Amendment does not allow.

    Success: Judge Allows Lawsuit Against Texas Anti-BDS Law To Proceed

    https://palestinelegal.org/news/2019/7/25/success-judge-allows-lawsuit-against-texas-anti-bds-law-to-proceed

    The judge recognized that even though the law no longer directly applied to the plaintiffs, its chilling effect could continue to cause them harm, citing a 1973 Supreme Court case that said, “[A] statute’s very existence may cause others not before the court to refrain from constitutionally protected speech or expression.”

    Sweet times ahead!

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
    , @A123
  11. @AnonStarter

    /… have failed miserably./

    Edit: “… show anti-BDS legislation has failed miserably.” ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

  12. A123 says:
    @AnonStarter

    How many failures do you need? The list of #BDSFAILS is almost endless. (1)

    Even the openly anti-Semitic U.N. is turning on the lying BDS movement.

    Sweet times for Christians and Jews are ahead!!!!

    PEACE 😇

    _______

    German parliament condemns ‘anti-Semitic’ BDS movement

    The German Bundestag has passed a resolution describing the Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions campaign against Israel as anti-Semitic. Parliamentarians said some BDS slogans recalled Nazi propaganda.

    A cross-party alliance in the German parliament on Friday passed a resolution condemning the Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions (BDS) campaign, and cutting off funding to any organizations that “actively support” the BDS movement.
    _________

    Anti-Israel BDS founder denied entry to UK

    Prominent Palestinian activist and co-founder of the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement, Omar Barghouti, has been denied a visa to enter the UK, the Palestine Solidarity Campaign

    In a statement issued on the PSC website on Friday, it was said that “Barghouti is unable to travel to the UK because his visa was abnormally delayed by the British Government without explanation.”
    _________

    UN releases ‘unprecedented’ report linking anti-Semitism to BDS movement

    Israeli, Jewish and pro-Israel groups all applauded the publication of an ‘unprecedented’ United Nations report on anti-Semitism, that, among other issues, links anti-Semitism to criticism of Israel and the BDS movement.

    “This report marks one of the first times the U.N. has addressed the issue of anti-Semitism in any detail,” said Anne Herzberg, Legal Advisor and U.N. Liaison at NGO Monitor. “The Special Rapporteur condemned the use of anti-Semitic tropes and denial of Israel’s right to exist by BDS activists. Importantly, the Rapporteur also recommends the IHRA definition as a useful tool in combating anti-Semitism. Hopefully, U.N. bodies, particularly the Human Rights Council, will follow the Rapporteur’s lead by adopting IHRA and ending their promotion of anti-Semitic tropes and attacks on Israel’s legitimacy.”

    ___________

    (1) https://ukmediawatch.org/2019/10/29/bds-is-failing-the-never-ending-story-october-2019/

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  13. @A123

    ukmediawatch.org … Promoting fair and accurate coverage of Israel

    LOL!

    Europe is small potatoes.

    America, without whom Israel will collapse like a house of cards in a summer monsoon, is the main course. The temperature has been set and she’s cookin’ nice ‘n easy.

    Yeah.

    I just love the smell of roast hasbara in the morning, don’t you?

    • Replies: @A123
  14. A123 says:
    @AnonStarter

    palestinelegal.org

    ROTFLMAO 😂

    The nation of Palestinians whenever existed. Small Potatoes are better the no Potatoes, so you already lost the battle for source credibility.

    I just love roasting Muslim Taqiyya deception in the morning.
    __

    Here is today’s test… Can you stop lying and start thinking? I sense another epic size #BDSfail coming…..

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @A123
  15. A123 says:
    @A123

    Every once an a while the spell checker runs amok. In #14, ‘whenever’ should have been ‘never’.

    For better clarity I should have stated it this way, “A nation of Arab Muslims never existed in Palestine.”

    PEACE 😇

  16. As imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, I thank you kindly for it.

    Perhaps you can try answering a question or two this time around.

    Do you really imagine that anti-BDS legislation will survive legal challenges to it in the United States? I mean … the courts are fairly clear that it’s destined to fail, and if and when a challenge finally reaches the Supremes, it’s likely to suffer the coup de grace.

    So what strategy do you guys intend to use in order to subvert the First Amendment?

    /A nation of Arab Muslims/

    Since there are four words in Hebrew that translate as “nation,” and the most frequently used among them refers to a group sharing a common ethnicity or religion, you would be incorrect:

    http://www.balashon.com/2016/06/am-goy-leom-and-uma.html

    In Modern Hebrew, am has more of an ethnic, and less of a political sense. Am Yisrael, the nation or people of Israel, is not limited to citizens of a particular nation-state.

    Thanks for playing, though. Always glad to be of assistance.

    • Replies: @A123
  17. A123 says:
    @AnonStarter

    Since there are four words in Hebrew that translate as “nation,” and the most frequently used among them refers to a group sharing a common ethnicity or religion, you would be incorrect:

    Nice to know that you have no grasp of chronology…

    Words from ~0 BC/AD cannot possibly reference a Muslim nation. The founding of the underlying religion occurred ~600 AD. Or, are you saying that there is a special ‘Muslim Time stream’ that differs from reality that allows 600 AD to predate 0 AD?
    _____

    pointing at you and laughing… Do you have to be so profoundly intellectually inferior? You are making defeating you was way too easy…. Though please keep it up. The humor is refreshing.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
    , @AnonStarter
  18. @A123

    /pointing at you and laughing/

    Like a child on a playground. How charming.

    You must be quite satisfied with yourself.

    A bit more information for you: The term “Muslim” means one who submits to God, and the Children of Israel faithful to God’s Covenant certainly were, by definition, Muslims. I would never be so careless as to deny this particular remnant of the House of Israel their due.

    When you read Scripture, you should consider the entirety of it. God’s promise was given to Abraham because of his faith, which was exemplified by his superior conduct. Deuteronomy includes stipulations to Israel’s Covenant with God, the violation of which inevitably yields adverse consequences for those bound to it.

    I seem to recall something in the Book about a nation that permitted sodomy to proliferate among them. We have a poster here named after the very prophet who warned them of the consequences of their depravity. Ironically, like you, that poster seems to run interference for a nation very much like those who told that prophet to go pound sand. Now, it means little to me if you don’t give a toss about how that story ends. I mean, it’s just a story in a book written so many moons ago and you only affirm it’s the inerrant Word of God and all, so it probably doesn’t matter much to you if they’re setting themselves up for a similar fate, does it?

    But it’s just a curious observation: a people whose claim to entitlement leans heavily upon the Word of God, yet refuse to abide by the conditions He set forth.

    I don’t imagine that’ll end very well, either.

  19. @A123

    Oh, by the way …

    I haven’t forgotten my earlier questions about anti-BDS legislation, nor the fact that you — what with your mighty intellect and all — are unable to answer them.

    But you do tend to provide many opportunities to edify our readership at every diversion.

    Not in the manner you intend, of course, but hey … that’s show biz. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

  20. A123 says:

    I seem to recall something in the Book about a nation that permitted sodomy to proliferate among them. We have a poster here named after the very prophet who warned them of the consequences of their depravity.

    Yes. And, we all understand that Muhammad raped Aisha when she was 9. So, there is a religion that practices child sodomy. That religion is Islam.

    Here is a free tip. Lying about other religions and blaming them for your vile acts, only works when you have a gullible audience.

    You should return to Tehran for retraining and reassignment.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  21. @A123

    Lying about other religions? Blaming them for my vile acts?

    God forfend.

    Hey, if you don’t want to believe what Deuteronomy says about those who break the terms of the Covenant, be my guest. Just don’t pretend it doesn’t exist:

    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+28%3A15-68&version=NIV

    I was raised in a Christian household, you know. We still have a lot of respect for the beatitudes:

    Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called children of God.

    You know this one, right? Of course you do. How could you not, since you sign your every post with “PEACE”?

    Here’s another:

    Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

    The most recent research reveals that ‘Aisha was about 18 when she was married:

    https://yaqeeninstitute.org/arnold-yasin-mol/aisha-ra-the-case-for-an-older-age-in-sunni-hadith-scholarship/

    Of course, I don’t expect you to accept. Not that you wouldn’t be able to understand the case for an older age, no sir. I’m sure you’re sufficiently well versed in Islamic Studies to grasp the conclusions advanced in the thesis, being the sagely savant you are.

    Buuut, you’ve got your convictions and that’s that. I can respect that. “What would Jesus do?” is a great question for a devoted Christian such as yourself to ask repeatedly when confronted with doubt concerning the proper course of conduct. The beatitudes are a perpetual font of deep and enduring wisdom from which — judging by the saintly manner of your contributions to this conversation — you must draw your daily draft.

    Cool, refreshing, and never bitter, isn’t it?

    • Replies: @A123
  22. A123 says:
    @AnonStarter

    The most recent research reveals …

    As you are an advocate recent research you of course will accept the recent research that conclusively proved the al’Aqsa is in the wrong place. Jerusalem is only holy to two faiths.

    Syrian scholar Firas Al-Sawwah said in a March 3 interview on Al-Hurra TV (U.S.) that the Al-Aqsa Mosque that was mentioned in the Koran was not in Jerusalem, and that the caliph Abd Al-Malik Ibn Marwan had decided to build a holy place in Jerusalem and call it Al-Aqsa

    That bitterness you are feeling in the back of your throat is known as The Truth. It only burns when you refuse to accept it.

    PEACE 😇
    _______

    (1) https://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/analysis/syrian-scholar-al-aqsa-in-koran-is-not-in-jerusalem/2019/03/19/

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  23. @A123

    Interesting …

    Well, in spite of the fact that it’s translated by MEMRI, I have no problem with that interview. I’m certainly not averse to a comprehensive, critical review of long accepted convictions and I wish I could hear more of what Al-Sawwah has to say.

    I agree that the millennial Muslim world is in need of a revival. I’m open to it.

    I mean, I’d really hate to be a Jeffery Goldberg or Liel Leibovitz, who bully journalists into abject submission when their own pet perspectives about the Temple Mount are challenged:

    https://mondoweiss.net/2015/10/hectored-archaeologists-location/

    Oh, I understand how thorny it can get for the faithful when archaeological evidence runs up against those views — especially when they’ve devoted much of their life to study of the subject, like Dr. George Wesley Buchanan:

    http://www.askelm.com/temple/t130901.pdf

    Wouldn’t want to tip any sacred cows now, would we?

    • Replies: @A123
  24. A123 says:
    @AnonStarter

    Excellent. You accept that al’Aqsa is in the wrong place.

    What is your proposed solution for removing it from its current location?.

    All of the options are somewhat tricky due conflicts between Shia and Sunni Muslims.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  25. Anonymous[374] • Disclaimer says:

    British pandering to Israel is especially pathetic since no one internationally is in Britain’s corner on the Northern Irish or Scottish issue. Britain, and particularly right wing British people and Brexiteers, are lending support to Israel/Zionism that they would never lend back in return.

    When the time comes the Jews will side with Irish Republicanism and Scottish nationalism, you can be sure of that.

  26. @A123

    /You accept that al’Aqsa is in the wrong place./

    Nope.

    I certainly appreciate al-Sawwah’s call for greater critical inquiry of long accepted convictions, and he’s more than entitled to his opinion concerning al-Aqsa. That doesn’t mean I’m compelled to agree with it.

    Just as you’re not compelled to agree with the conclusions of Dr. George Wesley Buchanan, whose extensive research led him to the following revelation:

    I was standing alone in the Kidron Valley at the edge of Jerusalem, gazing at the long, steep western bank of the valley, at the place where the Spring of Siloam used to pour out tons of water each minute into Hezekiah’s Tunnel. I had been there many times before, but I never before had an experience like that. I suddenly remembered Ezekiel chapter 47 and realized that the temple at Jerusalem had to have been located right there near the Spring of Siloam and not up the hill in the heavily walled area about 1,000 feet to the north where the Dome of the Rock and Al-Aqsa Mosque are now located.

    You see, A … there are more than a few archaeologists who, like Dr. Buchanan, conclude that the Temple wasn’t located where zionists imagine it was, but I wouldn’t be so foolish as to think I might convince people like Jeffery Goldberg or Liel Liebovitz of this. I’d probably be more successful trying to empty the ocean with a teaspoon, right?

    And so, there it is. So many opinions, so many convictions. We can either sit here wrangling with each other, or find a way to a more meaningful path, one that doesn’t render our efforts wasted and energy spent.

    Agreed?

    • Replies: @A123
  27. A123 says:
    @AnonStarter

    And so, there it is. So many opinions, so many convictions. We can either sit here wrangling with each other, or find a way to a more meaningful path, one that doesn’t render our efforts wasted and energy spent.

    Agreed?

    As a concept — It sounds agreeable.

    The problem — As long as Islam preaches Jihadist war. It is hard to see any viable path to peace.
    _____

    Erdogan recently repeated the truth about the #1 pillar of the violent Islamic belief system: (1)

    After the prayers, the hafiz of the mosque recited the Koranic Verse Al-Fath, which means “victory, triumph, conquest” in English. Then Erdogan took the microphone, reciting a part of the verse in Arabic and then in Turkish. He told the congregants:

    “Our God commands us to be violent towards the kuffar (infidels). Who are we? The ummah [nation] of Mohammed. So [God] also commands us to be merciful to each other. So we will be merciful to each other. And we will be violent to the kuffar. Like in Syria.”

    As long as Islam preaches the conquest of infidels, is it not common sense that the infidels will band together in self defense?

    — The Muslim/Globalist plan to pit Christians against each other, Orthodox vs. Protestant in the Ukraine and elsewhere is failing.
    — The Muslim/Globalist plan to pit Christians and Jews against each other is failing.
    — Islam needed its Globalist servants to infect as many countries as possible. That too is now beginning to fail as Mullah Merkel is repudiated by the Christian Populists of Germany & Europe.

    When Islam wants peace, the clear sign will be the return of conquered lands including those in Judea & Samaria. Until then infidels — Chinese, Christians, Hindus, Buddihists, Jews, Agnostics, Athiests, and others — will act in self defense against Muslim aggression. It may take many generations to drive out the Islamic occupiers, but ultimately they will be forced out if that is the only option available.

    PEACE 😇
    _______

    (1) http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/24727

  28. /It sounds agreeable./

    Good, alhamdulillah.

    But you don’t do yourself any favors by citing Israeli news service reports to present an accurate understanding of Erdogan’s speech. Erdogan referenced Sura al-Fath [48: 29], which an imam had just finished reading. “God commands the faithful to be violent towards the infidels” is an incorrect rendering of a phrase at the opening of that verse. Here are four mainstream translations of it:

    http://www.alim.org/library/quran/ayah/compare/48/29

    In place of “violent,” we have “unyielding,” “firm,” and “strong against,” the context being one of manifest conflict with deniers (kuffar), a more precise translation than “infidels.” Given the context of war with those who threaten Turkey’s sovereignty on its southern front, it’s a rational appeal.

    Buuut, of course, I’m sure you knew all of this. Probably just a temporary slip up on your behalf, right?

    Oh, and by the by …

    I believe you’ve also forgotten our earlier exchange. Remember? I had asked you some questions. Allow me to refresh your memory:

    Do you really imagine that anti-BDS legislation will survive legal challenges to it in the United States? I mean … the courts are fairly clear that it’s destined to fail, and if and when a challenge finally reaches the Supremes, it’s likely to suffer the coup de grace.

    So what strategy do you guys intend to use in order to subvert the First Amendment?

    Now, I know how difficult it is for you to stay focused sometimes. Must be hard having the condition you do, what with your dramatic mood swings and such, but since I’ve obliged your diversions quite a few times now, it would be only fair that you settle down a bit and try answering those questions.

    Okay, okay … You can skip the second one. Just the first.

    Do you really think the courts will allow anti-BDS legislation to endure once a challenge reaches the USSC?

    Thanks in advance, bud.

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  29. A123 says:
    @AnonStarter

    Now, I know how difficult it is for you to stay focused sometimes. Must be hard having the condition you do, what with your dramatic mood swings and such, but since I’ve obliged your diversions quite a few times now, it would be only fair that you settle down a bit and try answering those questions.

    You need to up for Prozac dosage. You are experiencing violent mood swings. Worse yet, you are so self unaware that you do not recognize it and a projecting your condition on to others. I have been quite calm with you.

    — First you are — Happy happy joy joy — Modern reference must be good…. One modern reference says some thing you want. And, you explosively deny the well known and proven fact that Muhammad raped Aisha when she was 9.

    — Then you down spiral — Sad sad boo hoo — Modern reference must be bad…. The myths about Al’aqsa must be true.

    If you can spin that quickly joy/sad over “modern reference” material, you have a mental health issue.
    _____

    Given your near collapse, ragged edge, mental condition. I will even answer both questions in the spirit of comity.

    So what strategy do you guys intend to use in order to subvert the First Amendment?

    No subversion required. Only a correct understanding of the Constitution itself, based on American history…. Christian signers, of a Christian Constitution, for a Christian country. Thus in context what the Constitution requires is:

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of the Christian religion, or prohibiting the free exercise of [Christianity]; …

    The Constitution exists to protect Christians. There is no reason to believe the Constitution protects anti-Christian death cults. The correctly translated text of the Koran shows the stated goal of Islam is to conquer and exterminate Infidels, which obviously includes Christians.

    Try not to have a massive negative emotional event. Accept this truth calmly. Your attempt to intentionally mistranslate and misdirect have failed.
    _____

    Do you really think the courts will allow anti-BDS legislation to endure once a challenge reaches the USSC?

    Forcing the violent BDS hate movement to spend time and money in court is by itself a win. Every dollar spent there is a dollar not spent agitating for hate in schools. The world is a better place with less hate in it.

    As to a prediction, that is tricky. It largely depends on timing.

    Currently, four of the nine seats are dhimmi, submissive before Islam. And, others are not entirely reliable when it comes to Judeo-Christian values. If the case were to go up today, the Supreme Court could set aside the Constitution and legislate from the bench attempting to create non-existent pseudo-rights for death cults.

    When it goes up some time from now, the key will be how many more ‘swing’ justices will Trump have appointed? Odds suggest two or three dhimmi justices will leave the court in the next five years:

    — RBG [87] is at death’s door. She missed Oral Arguments again (1).
    — Breuer [81] has no publicly announced health conditions, but is old enough to be a likely retiree.
    — Sotomayor [65] is a diabetic. While it has been controlled for years, there are a number of ways that the medical condition can go bad quickly.

    With enough justices, who wish to save the Constitution and the country can fight back against deranged activists that have damaged the rule of law. At 7-2 or 8-1, the decision becomes a ‘no-brainer ‘. After all the BDS cases are not really about the 1st Amendment. Anyone who wants to speak can speak. The anti-BDS laws target government subsidies that could be misused. It is obvious that the Constitution does not require misuse of government funds to pay for cultist hate advocy.

    PEACE 😇
    _______

    (1) https://nypost.com/2019/11/13/ruth-bader-ginsburg-misses-oral-arguments-due-to-illness/

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  30. Gyre07 says:

    You get the point, or maybe you’re the kind of human who only believes in what you want to believe.

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