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While the presidential campaign was still in progress it was possible to think that there might be some positive change in America’s broken foreign policy. Hillary Clinton was clearly the candidate of Washington Establishment hawkishness, while Donald Trump was declaring his disinclination for democracy and nation building overseas as well as promoting détente with Russia. Those of us who considered the foreign policy debacle to be the most dangerous issue confronting the country, particularly as it was also fueling domestic tyranny, tended to vote on the basis of that one issue in favor of Trump.

On December 1st in Cincinnati, president-elect Donald Trump made some interesting comments about his post-electoral foreign policy plans. There were a lot of good things in it, including his citing of $6 trillion “wasted” in Mideast fights when “our goal is stability not chaos.” And as for dealing with real enemies, he promised to “partner with any nation that is willing to join us in the effort to defeat ISIS and radical Islamic terrorism…” He called it a “new foreign policy that finally learns from the mistakes of the past” adding that “We will stop looking to topple regimes and overthrow governments, folks.”

Regarding the apparent inability of governments to thoroughly check out new immigrants prior to letting them inside the country, demonstrated most recently in Nice, Ohio and Berlin, Trump described how “People are pouring in from regions of the Middle East — we have no idea who they are, where they come from what they are thinking and we are going to stop that dead cold. … These are stupid refugee programs created by stupid politicians.” Exaggerated? For sure, but he has a point, and it all is part and parcel of a foreign policy that serves no actual interest for people who already live in the United States.

But, as so often with Trump, there was also the flip side. On the looney fringe of the foreign and national security policy agenda, the president-elect oddly believes that “The United States must greatly strengthen and expand its nuclear capability until such time as the world comes to its senses regarding nukes.” So to reduce the number of nukes we have to create more of them and put them in more places. Pouring gasoline on a raging fire would be an appropriate analogy and it certainly leads to questions regarding who is advising The Donald with this kind of nonsense.

Trump has promised to “put America first,” but there is inevitably a spanner in the works. Now, with the New Year only six days away and the presidential inauguration coming less than three weeks after that, it is possible to discern that the new foreign policy will, more than under Barack Obama and George W. Bush, be driven in significant part by Israeli interests.

At least Obama had the good sense to despise Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, but that will not be true of the White House after January 20th. Trump’s very first telephone conversation with a foreign head of government after being elected was with Netanyahu and during the campaign, he promised to invite Bibi to the White House immediately after the inauguration. The new president’s first naming of an Ambassador-designate to a foreign nation was of his good friend and bankruptcy lawyer David Friedman to Israel. Friedman had headed Trump’s Israel Advisory Committee and is a notable hard liner who supports the Israeli settler movement, an extreme right-wing political entity that is nominally opposed by existing U.S. government policy as both illegal and damaging to Washington’s interests. Beyond that, Friedman rejects creation of a Palestinian state and supports Israel’s actual annexation of the West Bank.

U.S. Ambassadors are supposed to support American interests but Friedman would actually be representing and endorsing a particularly noxious version of Israeli fascism as the new normal in the relationship with Washington. Friedman describes Jerusalem as “the holy capital of the Jewish people and only the Jewish people.” Trump is already taking steps to move the U.S. Embassy there, making the American government unique in having its chief diplomatic mission in the legally disputed city. The move will also serve as a recruiting poster for groups like ISIS and will inflame opinion against the U.S. among friendly Arab states in the region. There is no possible gain and much to lose for the United States and for American citizens in making the move, but it satisfies Israeli hardliners and zealots like Friedman.

The Trump team’s animosity towards Iran is also part of the broader Israeli agenda. Iran does not threaten the United States and is a military midget compared either to nuclear armed Israel or the U.S. Yet is has been singled out as the enemy du jour in the Middle East even though it has invaded no one since the seventeenth century. Israel would like to have the United States do the heavy lifting to destroy Iran as a regional power. If Washington were to attempt to do so it would be a catastrophe for all parties involved but that has not stopped hardliners from demanding unrelenting military pressure on Tehran.

Donald Trump is not even president yet but he advised Barack Obama to exercise the U.S. veto for the resolution condemning Israeli settlements that was voted on at the United Nations Security Council on Friday, explaining that “As the United States has long maintained, peace between the Israelis and the Palestinians will only come through direct negotiations between the parties, and not through the imposition of terms by the United Nations. This puts Israel in a very poor negotiating position and is extremely unfair to all Israelis.”

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This is a straight Israeli line that might even have been written by Netanyahu himself. Or by the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), which fumed “AIPAC is deeply disturbed by the failure of the Obama Administration to exercise its veto to prevent a destructive, one-sided, anti-Israel resolution from being enacted by the United Nations Security Council (UNSC). In the past, this administration and past administrations have rejected this type of biased resolution since it undermines prospects for peace. It is particularly regrettable, in his last month in office, that the president has taken an action at odds with the bipartisan consensus in Congress and America’s long history of standing with Israel at the United Nations.”

Ah yes, the fabled negotiations for a two state solution, regularly employed to enable Israelis to do nothing while expanding their theft of Arab land and one wonders how Trump would define what is “fair to the Palestinians?” So we are already well into Trump’s adoption of the “always the victim argument” that the Israelis have so cleverly exploited with U.S. politicians and the media.

Not content with advising Obama, Trump also reportedly took the Palestinian issue one step further by directly pressuring the sponsoring Egyptians to postpone any submission of the resolution. Expecting to have a friendly president in the White House after January 20th, Egypt’s president Abdel Fattah al-Sisi complied on Thursday but the motion was reintroduced by New Zealand, Venezuela, Senegal and Malaysia on the following day. The resolution passed with 14 yes votes and a courageous U.S. abstention after Obama finally, after eight long years, developed a backbone. But unfortunately, Trump’s interventions suggest that nothing critical of Israel will be allowed to emerge from the U.N. during his term of office. Referring to the U.N. vote, he said that “things will be different after January 20th.”

The United Nations resolution produced an immediate reaction from Israeli Firsters in Congress and the media, led by Senator Chuck Schumer and the Washington Post. The Post featured a lead editorial entitled The Obama Administration fires a dangerous parting shot and an op-ed The United States just made Middle East peace harder by no less a redoubtable American hero than Eliot Abrams. Look in vain for any suggestion of what might be construed as an actual U.S. interest in either piece. It is all about Israel, as it always is.

The problem with Israel and its friends is that they are never satisfied and never leave the rest of us Americans alone, pushing constantly at what is essentially an open door. They have treated the United States like a doormat, spying on us more than any ostensibly friendly nation while pocketing our $38 billion donation to their expanding state without so much as a thank you. They are shameless. Israel’s ambassador to the U.S. Ron Dermer has been all over American television sputtering his rage over the United Nations settlements vote. On CNN he revealed that Israel has “clear evidence” that President Obama was “behind” the resolution and he announced his intention to share the information with Donald Trump. Every American should be outraged by Israel’s contempt for us and our institutions. One has to wonder if the mainstream media will take a rest from their pillorying of Russia to cover the story.

For many years now, Israel has sought to make the American people complicit in its own crimes while also encouraging our country’s feckless and corrupt leadership to provide their government with political cover and even go to war on its behalf. This has got to stop and, for a moment, it looked like Trump might be the man to end it when he promised to be even-handed in negotiating between the Arabs and Israelis. That was before he promised to be the best friend Israel would ever have.

Israel’s quarrels don’t stay in Israel and they are not limited to the foreign policy realm. I have already discussed the pending Anti-Semitism Awareness Act, a bipartisan effort by Congress to penalize and even potentially criminalize any criticism of Israel by equating it to anti-Semitism. Whether Israel itself wants to consider itself a democracy is up to Netanyahu and Israeli voters but the denial of basic free speech rights to Americans in deference to Israeli perceptions should be considered to be completely outrageous.

And there’s more. Israel’s government funded lawfare organization Shurat HaDin has long been using American courts to punish Palestinians and Iranians, obtaining punitive damages linked to allegations regarding terrorist incidents that have taken place in Israel. Now Shurat HaDin is using our courts to go after American companies that do business with countries like Iran.

Last year’s nuclear agreement with Iran included an end to restraints on the Islamic Republic’s ability to engage in normal banking and commercial activity. As a high priority, Iran has sought to replace some of its aging infrastructure, to include its passenger aircraft fleet. Seattle based Boeing has sought to sell to Iran Air 80 airplanes at a cost of more than $16 billion and has worked with the U.S. government to meet all licensing and technology transfer requirements. The civilian-use planes are not in any way configurable for military purposes, but Shurat HaDin on December 16th sought to block the sale at a federal court in Illinois, demanding a lien against Boeing for the monies alleged to be due to the claimed victims of Iranian sponsored terrorism. Boeing, meanwhile, has stated that the Iran Air order “support(s) tens of thousands of U.S. jobs.”

So an agency of the Israeli government is taking steps to stop an American company from doing something that is perfectly legal under U.S. law even though it will cost thousands of jobs here at home. It is a prime example of how much Israel truly cares about the United States and its people. And even more pathetic, the Israel Lobby owned U.S. Congress has predictably bowed down and kissed Netanyahu’s ring on the issue, passing a bill in November that seeks to block Treasury Department licenses to permit the financing of the airplane deal.

The New Year and the arrival of an administration with fresh ideas would provide a great opportunity for the United States to finally distance itself from a toxic Israel, but, unfortunately, it seems that everything is actually moving in the opposite direction. Don’t be too surprised if we see a shooting war with Iran before the year is out as well as a shiny new U.S. Embassy in Jerusalem (to be built on land stolen from Palestinians, incidentally). Trump might think he is ushering in a new era of American policy based on American interests but it is beginning to look a lot like same-old same-old but even worse, and Benjamin Netanyahu will be very much in the driver’s seat.

 
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  1. Indeed depressing to watch the Donald get co-opted. But if nothing else, DJT is capable of surprise. Almost anything can happen, for better and for worse. Fasten your safety belts and enjoy the ride, say I.

    About Israel/Palestine, the so-called ‘two-state solution’ was faintly ridiculous even before the Israeli land grabs from 1967 onward. Let’s call it a day for that particular bit of political fantasy.

    The obvious ‘solution’ now is to go the way of South Africa: one state for all, with Truth & Reconciliation commissions, a dispossessed and terrorized white minority on the run, the whole works. Should be fun.

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    • Replies: @E. A. Costa
    Well, Señor Netayahu turned most of the Xian Fundamentalists and Evangelicals into Zionists, like the Reverend Hajee of the Megachurch in old San Antone. Zionist White Nationalists should be as much fun as a greased pig, eh?

    By the way, Pence is one of the former, a dyed in the wool fundamentalist Christian Zionist.

    At the time news reports said that Trump did not choose him, but some of his children did.

    Wonder which?
    , @Anonymous

    The obvious ‘solution’ now is to go the way of South Africa: one state for all, with Truth & Reconciliation commissions, a dispossessed and terrorized white minority on the run, the whole works. Should be fun.
     
    Israel should put a tarp over Gaza and run a Zyklon-B hose to it. After that, American soldiers can scorch the earth of Jordan and Syria, and restore the Kingdom of Israel. That's what God wants.
    , @Anon
    It is discouraging that America has Jews as its #1 foreign policy.
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  2. Not to forget the wall with Mexico. The Israeli company Elbit won a huge contract for the younger Bush’s palisade:

    https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/nora-barrows-friedman/israeli-arms-maker-wins-unprecedented-contract-us-mexico-border

    Now Magal is liking its chops over Señor Trump’s supposed rampart:

    http://www.haaretz.com/world-news/u-s-election-2016/1.753331

    All the world a DMZ–all eruv, all the time, jeje.

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  3. Most of us are tired of the obnoxious jooies and their relentlessly self-serving scheming, both domestic and foreign. If they insist on murdering and pillaging the idiot arabs…….great. Just do it on their own nickel with their own crappy little army No problem……just leave the rest of us out of it.

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    • Replies: @MMM
    No way are "the rest of us" going to be left out of it. We're hosts -- parasites need those; too few of we-the-hosts seem to realize we don't need our blood drained to the last drop though. And this has been going on for a very long time (google "Tacitus and the Jews"). "When will we ever learn?" in enough numbers to make a difference? Maybe we won't.
    , @Anonymous
    I do not understand why America should support Israel.
    Israel is militarily stronger than any country in region.
    Let it take care of itself without the US constantly anguishing over whether America is doing enough.
    Why does Israel of all nations in the world deserve US support?
    It's not even a Christian state.
    US support is due only to Jewish political strength in the US.
    And frankly, let the Palestinians, who have support among the Arab and Muslim nations and their hundreds of millions of people, come to an agreement with Israel.
    Leave the US out of it.
    Americans are sick and tired of Israel being their #1 priority.
  4. @Kyle McKenna
    Indeed depressing to watch the Donald get co-opted. But if nothing else, DJT is capable of surprise. Almost anything can happen, for better and for worse. Fasten your safety belts and enjoy the ride, say I.

    About Israel/Palestine, the so-called 'two-state solution' was faintly ridiculous even before the Israeli land grabs from 1967 onward. Let's call it a day for that particular bit of political fantasy.

    The obvious 'solution' now is to go the way of South Africa: one state for all, with Truth & Reconciliation commissions, a dispossessed and terrorized white minority on the run, the whole works. Should be fun.

    Well, Señor Netayahu turned most of the Xian Fundamentalists and Evangelicals into Zionists, like the Reverend Hajee of the Megachurch in old San Antone. Zionist White Nationalists should be as much fun as a greased pig, eh?

    By the way, Pence is one of the former, a dyed in the wool fundamentalist Christian Zionist.

    At the time news reports said that Trump did not choose him, but some of his children did.

    Wonder which?

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  5. Well, look at it this way, Señor Trump is going to stop all those messkin illegals from taking jobs aways from gut ole watt merkin werkin foke, thus creating a lot of contracts and jobs for–Israelis, jeje.

    Suckers.

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    • Replies: @Alden
    Since you despise us so much, why do you post here. Your attitude towards us is the same as the Jewish geniuses have towards us
  6. “immediately and completely cease all settlement activities in the occupied Palestinian territory, including east Jerusalem.”

    Unfair folks. We have an exceptionalism, they said.

    But David not. Humble. Honest.

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  7. I’m guessing Trump has a plan and Giraldi doesn’t know what it is. So he’s reading tea leaves and getting himself upset.

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    • Replies: @LondonBob
    I agree, we will find out once in office. Trump is an America first guy, this will inevitably clash with Zionist interests, already has over Syria, Russia etc. The Iran stuff is just rhetoric. Bolton won't be getting a position, nor are any other neocons.

    Could have written a column at this point when JFK was President elect saying he was servile to Zionist interests, nothing could have been further from the truth once he assumed office.
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    @Kyle McKenna
    Indeed depressing to watch the Donald get co-opted. But if nothing else, DJT is capable of surprise. Almost anything can happen, for better and for worse. Fasten your safety belts and enjoy the ride, say I.

    About Israel/Palestine, the so-called 'two-state solution' was faintly ridiculous even before the Israeli land grabs from 1967 onward. Let's call it a day for that particular bit of political fantasy.

    The obvious 'solution' now is to go the way of South Africa: one state for all, with Truth & Reconciliation commissions, a dispossessed and terrorized white minority on the run, the whole works. Should be fun.

    The obvious ‘solution’ now is to go the way of South Africa: one state for all, with Truth & Reconciliation commissions, a dispossessed and terrorized white minority on the run, the whole works. Should be fun.

    Israel should put a tarp over Gaza and run a Zyklon-B hose to it. After that, American soldiers can scorch the earth of Jordan and Syria, and restore the Kingdom of Israel. That’s what God wants.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    "Israel should put a tarp over...blah blah"
    Sure, the evil empire and its begger biatch could do that, but...

    "That’s what God wants."
    LOL!

    What God has indeed promised is to fill hell with the pagan polytheist disbelievers. That would mean everybody who worships human-like beings, and animals (including the calf... ;) )
    , @TJM
    That's so funny, I was thinking the same thing, but instead of the Palestinians I was thinking Israel.

    I mean, as an American, nothing would be better then to remove the Jewish enemy that currently infests this once great nation.
    , @Eileen Kuch
    Really??! You've got to be joking! Such actions you mentioned are a serious breach of the 1949 Geneva Conventions. The last Zionist attack on Gaza was on civilians and civilian infrastructure. No American soldiers will even be used for such blatant atrocities.
    You know quite well that in the scenario you just mentioned, the vast majority of casualties would be civilians. The war against Gaza proved that.
    Modern Israel's not even a legitimate state, according to the Torah. It's the HQ of the Rothschild Khazar Mafia. According to the Torah, the Jews of 1st and 2nd Century Israel had defied God's Commandments to the point wherein the occupying Romans destroyed Jerusalem and the 2nd Temple and scattered the inhabitants throughout the edges of the Roman Empire as punishment for their defiance. In the Torah, there's a passage that even states that after the dispersion and the end of Biblical Israel, God forbade the restoration of the Israeli Kingdom; that Israel was to exist in spirit only.
  9. “”The pro-Israelis who produced the presidency of the dysfunctional George Bush to take us to war in Iraq also produced the presidency of narcissist Donald Trump—to take us to war in Iran. Were that not the case, the Trump transition would not be dominated by pro-Israeli right-wingers. Below I show how supporters of the Israeli Right delivered an Electoral College victory for a reality show host who likely remains unaware who is manipulating his self-absorbed needs on behalf of Tel Aviv.”

    http://hiddentaxonhumanity.com/uncategorized/mel-rockefeller-commentary/mel-rockefeller-commentary/

    “Pre-staging The Donald

    Pro-Israelis inside the Trump Organization include general counsel Jason Greenblatt (a former settler), bankruptcy attorney David M. Friedman (a two-state solution skeptic), special counsel Michael Cohen and key family members, including son-in-law Kushner and his wife Ivanka Trump who converted to Orthodox Judaism. Israeli settlers were heartened by an interview that Greenblatt, lately described as a Trump “foreign policy adviser,” gave to Israel’s Army Radio after the election in which he said that Trump did not view the settlements as “an obstacle for peace.” That statement led to several celebratory announcements in Israel claiming “the era of the Palestinian state is over.”[8]

    Greenblatt lived in a settlement in Israel. Post-election rumors speculated he could be appointed as Trump’s Middle East envoy though Kushner is also seen as qualified. Kushner is a real estate developer and Greenblatt a real estate attorney. Neither have diplomatic experience.

    Israeli Ambassador Ron Dermer has repeatedly visited the transition team. An American who forfeited his U.S. citizenship to serve Israel, he’s a key Trump intermediary not only for Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu but also Sheldon Adelson, the casino mogul who spends an estimated $50 million per year publishing for free Israel’s most widely read free newspaper (Israel Today). The paper is steadfastly supportive of Netanyahu and the Israeli Right.[9] Dermer arranged for Republican Congressional leaders to secretly invite Netanyahu to deliver a nationally televised speech on March 3, 2016 to a joint meeting of Congress in opposition to then ongoing negotiations on the Iran nuclear accord—that Trump now opposes.[10]

    Six days after that speech, Arkansas Senator Tom Cotton sought to undermine negotiations by releasing a letter to Iranian leaders signed by 47 Republican Senators suggesting that any accord with Iran could be undone by the next president. The role played by Israel and its lobby was apparent. Those skeptical that a 37-year old freshman Senator would take this step on his own initiative noted that Cotton’s Senate campaign received nearly $1 million five months earlier from the Emergency Committee for Israel led by Jewish neoconservative William Kristol, co-founder of the Project for a New American Century established in 1997 to lobby for regime change in Iraq.[11]

    In 2012, Dermer broke with long-standing diplomatic protocol to campaign for Mitt Romney, the Republican presidential candidate, an opponent of the Iran deal and, importantly, a Mormon.[12] Also known as the Lost Tribe of Israel, youth in this uniquely American version of Zionism are routinely recruited for employment in the F.B.I. and our intelligence services, an issue to which I will return.[13]

    By stirring up the settlements issue, the Israel Right may well ignite another war-catalyzing intifada reminiscent of the Ariel Sharon-led march to the Al Aqsa Mosque (Temple Mount) in September 2000. That provocative armed march triggered the Second (Al Aqsa) Intifada one year prior to the war-catalyzing provocation of 9/11. Sharon organized that march after helping ensure the failure of international negotiations on a proposed agreement to designate Jerusalem an international city protected for use by adherents of all three faiths that consider the ancient city sacred.

    Purposefully aggravating the settlements issue is also consistent with the influence wielded within the Republican Party by Mr. Adelson. He and his equally rightwing Israeli wife used their influence to ensure that any mention of the two-state solution was removed from the Republican Party platform. Democrats saw a similar scouring of their platform by the Israeli Right to ensure that the term “occupied territories” was stricken.

    Adding to those provocations, the Knesset took up legislation allowing settlers to gain title to privately owned Palestinian land on which the settlers illegally built. As usual with rightwing pro-Israelis and their deployment of simultaneous provocations, multiple goals are routinely pursued at the same time. Senator Pat Leahy of Vermont summarized how:

    “One of the most effective ways that ISIS and other terrorist groups have attracted recruits is by tarring the United States with Israel’s expanding occupation of the West Bank. This legislation to retroactively legalize illegal settlements will be welcomed by those murderous groups as further evidence that America’s closest ally in the region is bent on destroying a peaceful solution, including the possibility of a Palestinian state.”[14]“

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    "...by those murderous groups..."
    In *comparison* to the evil empire and its beggar soulless master, these groups you talk of, are positively saintly :D
  10. It is funny how Unz.com’s large stable of Israel/Jew haters just can’t decide if Trump is on their side or not. (I think Giraldi is right, he’s not, and Saker is wrong.)

    What Giraldi does not understand is that patriotic white people do not find it acceptable that the Holy Land be occupied by Muslim barbarians. It really is just that simple. It was the case 1000 years ago, and is still the case now.

    Israel is America’s Crusader Kingdom, and Bibi is white America’s loyal viceroy.

    on land stolen from Palestinians

    It is Israel’s by right of conquest.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_conquest

    And if you don’t believe in that right, I first urge to you deed your house over to the nearest Indian tribe, and second explain how the various Arabs who call themselves “Palestinians” got that land in the first place.

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    • Replies: @iffen
    Damn dem nefarious Jews.

    Just when we think we have elected a good Nazi as President he turns out to be a mole for Israel.

    Damn dem nefarious Jews.
    , @5371
    Jew Crusader, LOL. Stop spitting at crosses before you paint them on your clothing. How do you think Christians 1000 years ago would have looked on the Holy Land being occupied by a Jewish state?
    , @geokat62

    Israel is America’s Crusader Kingdom, and Bibi is white America’s loyal viceroy.
     
    "America is Israel's Crusader army, and Trump is the Zionist entity's loyal viceroy."

    There, fixed it for you.
    , @Muslim Barbarian
    "...acceptable that the Holy Land be occupied by Muslim barbarians..."

    So says either a *human* worshipper or a descendent of *calf* worshippers, who have committed far greater murderous barbarity that us Muslim "barbarians." H3ll will be a most appropriate place for likes of you, if you actually believed in such a thing.

    Go usurp all you want, glorify yourselves all you want, for this fleeting moment in this world, for you will utter losers in His court.

    As for us, worshippers of the One and Only, the Infinite, the *Unique*, the Unseen, we praise and glorify Him daily for choosing us to be Muslim "barbarians."

    , @E. A. Costa
    "It is Israel’s by right of conquest."

    Whose conquest was that--the Britishers?
    , @moi
    Right--the holy land should be occupied by Jews who denigrate Jesus, not by Muslims who honor Jesus as a might prophet. Sounds like Jewish and Trump logic...
    , @Telos
    Right of conquest my rear end. If it was not for US blood the kikes would have been a bad memory long ago, courtesy of the Third Reich.
  11. Trump’s son-in-law, and closest advisor, is a professional Jew. His presence probably guarantees that American boys will be dying in Israel’s wars for the next eight years.

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  12. Gullible = stupid

    You don’t need to be psychopath to agree with this conclusive statement. And have real consequences.

    I always think only Brazilian people who are very politically conformist but by now I’m perceiving other similarity between two countries/peoples, both are too much passive/pussy.

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  13. Tsk. Oh well, go ahead, heighten the contradictions, baby. Better a horrible end than horror without end…

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  14. Such is life in a nation–America–that is a colony of Apartheid Israel. All that free money and all those ‘surplus’ weapons they receive each year is a tribute from the occupied nation, the USA, to Apartheid Israel.

    Israel and its American sayanim control the WH, Congress, State, and the FED and Treasury, making sure that Israel is completely in control of us GOYIM.

    But don’t worry, watch football, baseball, basketball, soccer, hockey endlessly. Drool and lust after Hollywood starlets that love to show off their bodies. Drink yourself into a stupor and stay stoned. Just don’t question or complain about being a subject of Eretz Israel.

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    • Replies: @geokat62

    Israel and its American sayanim control the WH, Congress, State, and the FED and Treasury, making sure that Israel is completely in control of us GOYIM.
     
    Here is some background info on The Lobby:

    The Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations (CoP; commonly Presidents' Conference) is an American non-profit organization that addresses issues of critical concern to the Jewish community. It comprises 51* national Jewish organizations...

    * Update: The organization now represents 55 Jewish organizations in the United States, including all three major streams of Judaism and political groups on both the right and left.


    The Presidents' Conference... was founded in 1956 in response to requests from President Dwight D. Eisenhower and his administration; [it] wanted a way to gauge the opinion of the community, without wading into the internal politics of the community, and polling leaders of each organization. The conference established a unified voice for the community, one that government officials could consult on important matters.

    The Presidents' Conference and AIPAC work together, with all members of the conference sitting on AIPAC's executive committee, which is distinct from its board of directors. The two organizations follow a clear division of labor. The conference focuses on the executive branch of the U.S. government, while AIPAC lobbies in Congress.

    As of 2014, member organizations included the following:

    Alpha Epsilon Pi (AEPi)
    Ameinu
    American Friends of Likud, a group supporting the right-wing Likud party that has been a leading force in Israeli politics since 1977.
    American Gathering/Federation of Jewish Holocaust Survivors
    America-Israel Friendship League
    American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC)
    American Jewish Committee
    American Jewish Congress
    American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee
    American Sephardi Federation
    American Zionist Movement, a coalition of Zionist groups and individuals, and the American affiliate of the World Zionist Organization.
    Americans for Peace Now
    AMIT
    Anti-Defamation League (ADL)
    Association of Reform Zionists of America/World Union North America, the Zionist arm of the Reform movement and an affiliate of the Union for Reform Judaism.
    B'nai B'rith International
    Bnai Zion
    Central Conference of American Rabbis
    Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America
    Development Corporation for Israel/State of Israel Bonds: Since 1951, Israel Bonds sales have helped Israel’s Finance Ministry support projects in key sectors. Bond sales have exceeded $25 billion.
    Emunah of America: Chapters and divisions around the United States support Israel’s largest Religious Zionisteducational and social welfare organizations.
    Friends of the Israel Defense Forces (FIDF): Supports social, educational, and recreational programs and facilities for Israeli soldiers and supports bereaved relatives of fallen soldiers.
    Hadassah, the Women's Zionist Organization of America
    Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society
    Jewish Community Centers Association
    Jewish Council for Public Affairs
    Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs
    Jewish Labor Committee
    Jewish National Fund
    Jewish Reconstructionist Federation
    Jewish War Veterans of the United States of America (JWV)
    Jewish Women International
    MERCAZ USA, Zionist Organization of the Conservative Movement
    NA'AMAT USA: This group has pursued its goal of supporting the women and children of Israel for the past 80 years.
    NCSJ Advocates on behalf of Jews in Russia, Ukraine, the Baltic States & Eurasia
    National Council of Jewish Women
    National Council of Young Israel
    World ORT - ORT America branch: Association for the Promotion of Skilled Trades
    Rabbinical Assembly (RA)
    Rabbinical Council of America (RCA)
    Religious Zionists of America (RZA or Mizrahi)
    Union for Reform Judaism (URJ)
    Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America (Orthodox Union or OU)
    United Jewish Communities (UJC)
    United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism (USCJ)
    Women's International Zionist Organization (WIZO)
    Women's League for Conservative Judaism (WLCJ)
    Women of Reform Judaism (WRJ)
    Workmen's Circle (Arbeter Ring)
    World Zionist Executive, US
    Zionist Organization of America (ZOA)

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conference_of_Presidents_of_Major_American_Jewish_Organizations

     

    , @Wally
    questions:

    Who demands mass immigration into white gentile countries, but stops non-Jew immigration into “that shitty little country”?
    Who runs the Federal Reserve?
    Who runs Wall Street?
    Who owns the US Congress?
    Who owns the White House?
    Who dominates the US Supreme Court?
    Who forces acceptance of the fictitious & impossible ’6M & gas chambers’?
    Who runs the media / entertainment?
    Who runs the music business?
    Who dominates ‘academia’?
    Why is AIPAC the most powerful, dominant lobby, which regularly writes the text of Congressional bills and resolutions?
    Who is it that wants to censor free speech via the “hate speech” canard?
    Who is it that demands we shed the blood of US troops for their interests?
    Who are the real & biggest racists on the planet?
  15. Those of us who considered the foreign policy debacle to be the most dangerous issue confronting the country, particularly as it was also fueling domestic tyranny, tended to vote on the basis of that one issue in favor of Trump.

    It seems to me that people have been disgusted with ‘Merkin foreign policy for a long time. I believe that’s a large part of the reason the goon, GHW Bush lost a second term, why its goofy spawn who promised a compassionate conservatism with a humble foreign policy got elected, why the drone murderer and warmonger “Peace” prize prez got elected and the Charnel House Madame lost.

    Trump will take care of himself and his buddies and the rest of us schmucks’ll get a few crumbs.

    Aristophanes’ The Knights is about how a sausage seller became a politician. It’s a fun read, and I challenge anyone to make a good case of how it’s really any different now than it was 2.5 millennia back.

    Demos
    Oh! what a lot of good things! Why it’s quite full! Oh! what a huge great part of this cake he kept for himself! [1220] He had only cut off the least little tiny piece for me.

    Sausage-Seller
    But this is what he has always done. Of everything he took, he only gave you the crumbs, and kept the bulk.

    - Aristophanes, The Knights, 424 BC

    http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0034%3Acard%3D1191

    “The parasites get it all; honest industry and honest business must be grateful for a few crumbs only.”

    Charles A Lindbergh Sr, “The Economic Pinch,” 1923 pg 119

    Lindbergh was elected to the U.S. House of Representatives in 1906, as a Republican, serving in the 60th, 61st, 62nd, 63rd, and 64th congresses. He was a member of the House Banking and currency committee when the Federal Reserve Act was passed which he opposed.

    It’s all a scam and a crummy deal for de lil pipple. Pun intended.

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  16. @WorkingClass
    I'm guessing Trump has a plan and Giraldi doesn't know what it is. So he's reading tea leaves and getting himself upset.

    I agree, we will find out once in office. Trump is an America first guy, this will inevitably clash with Zionist interests, already has over Syria, Russia etc. The Iran stuff is just rhetoric. Bolton won’t be getting a position, nor are any other neocons.

    Could have written a column at this point when JFK was President elect saying he was servile to Zionist interests, nothing could have been further from the truth once he assumed office.

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    • LOL: Che Guava
    • Replies: @richard vajs
    Opinion is changing - I remember on a forum such as this when there would be only a couple of comments critical of Israel. Now, such comments are sometimes the majority - comments excusing/glorifying Israel's racism and land-theft are becoming the minority, and a hysterical minority at that making little sense. Of course, people willing to comment on public forums, are not the whole electorate, but they are usually on the front edge of public opinion, and that is moving against Zionism. The politicians will lag, because they are not the smartest and they are always looking for a bribe (e.g. the Clintons). I wouldn't put Trump in this category. When he figures out that backing the racism and the land-theft of the Zionists is a losing position, he will be the next target of Netanyahu's temper tantrums.
    The Sun is setting on racist Imperial Israel, and I don't believe that any celestial being is going to interfere.
  17. How does Humpty Trump fit in here?

    This imperial Christian nation, in point of fact, is moving toward neither Communism nor Fascism, though it supports and endures trifling minorities who clamor for both. The great bulk of its people prefer a sober middle course- the traditional American course, hallowed by the Fathers. That is to say, they prefer to follow indigenous mountebanks, bred in the native technique and speaking the native vulgate. Such mountebanks have been saving them quadrennially for a hundred years, and will continue at the job to the end of the chapter. Dr. Roosevelt, though he wears a halo, is certainly no god from the machine, no messiah sent from afar. He belongs to a hierarchy of wonder-workers which stretches back without a break to the first days of the Republic, and includes all the heroes that schoolboys are taught to revere.

    H.L. Mencken, The American Future, The American Mercury, February 1937, pp. 129-136

    http://www.unz.org/Pub/AmMercury-1937feb-00129

    Where do people get their faith?

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  18. "American politics is about humoring neurotic Jews while they drive the country off the cliff." (Greg Johnson) Sad! https://t.co/fX4WZS60Sl— (((Luke Ford))) (@lukeford) December 25, 2016

    Why change is only possible when you have someone like Trump who has been totally immersed in a Jewish milieu for his entire adult life.

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  19. How dare instead of aid they hook DC. J Street seemingly pro DC UN-res. Unrespected to UN-res is isolation move very clear.

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  20. Now if only POTUS Trump will implement a highly racialized National Origins Immigration Policy that excluded all nonwhite Legal Immigrants….just like our Friend ISRAEL!!!!

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  21. @Lot
    It is funny how Unz.com's large stable of Israel/Jew haters just can't decide if Trump is on their side or not. (I think Giraldi is right, he's not, and Saker is wrong.)

    What Giraldi does not understand is that patriotic white people do not find it acceptable that the Holy Land be occupied by Muslim barbarians. It really is just that simple. It was the case 1000 years ago, and is still the case now.

    Israel is America's Crusader Kingdom, and Bibi is white America's loyal viceroy.

    on land stolen from Palestinians
     
    It is Israel's by right of conquest.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_conquest

    And if you don't believe in that right, I first urge to you deed your house over to the nearest Indian tribe, and second explain how the various Arabs who call themselves "Palestinians" got that land in the first place.

    Damn dem nefarious Jews.

    Just when we think we have elected a good Nazi as President he turns out to be a mole for Israel.

    Damn dem nefarious Jews.

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  22. Breitbart commenters are already foaming at the mouth about the UN Palestinian vote and calling for the UN to be moved out of New York and all the “Pal Muzzies” be killed or kicked out the West Bank ASAP.

    These are Trumps supporters and they aren’t looking at the finer points of anything. Bannon knows it, and Trump knows it, so the next stop is probably some new False Flag and the bombing of Iran.

    What would be the effect be?

    More 100.000′s of civilians killed and made homeless with a US public that couldn’t care less (as proved by Iraq, Libya etc.) . A temporary rise in the oil price and much more wariness of the US from both Russia and China and maybe even a mutual defense treaty.

    The main issue for the US public would probably be the financial one. This time they would insist on a cheap and quick execution with no $Trillions (it’s being done on credit after all) and Trump could present himself as a Bush style all American hero if it’s over in a few days.

    From the viewpoint of the ROW the US would be a certified Rogue Nation, that was also the world’s leading military/nuclear power, so Russia and China would no doubt urgently ramp up their nuclear capabilities – if they’re not already doing it.

    Quote: “Donald Trump could make the world a safer place” Former Chief of the British Defense Staff – Lord Richards. Need to ask him about that one.

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  23. To Lot: And how long did the Outre Mer last? A century? All those squatters in Jerusalem and elsewhere ought to dust off their old passports for a return to Minsk, Pinsk and Miami Beach.

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    • Replies: @Mao Cheng Ji
    Yeah, I agree that European and American usurpers who (temporarily) control the place need to pack the fuck up and go home. But who's going to give them that kick in the ass? Where's this new Saladin, who's the new Baibars? I don't see any...
  24. @Lot
    It is funny how Unz.com's large stable of Israel/Jew haters just can't decide if Trump is on their side or not. (I think Giraldi is right, he's not, and Saker is wrong.)

    What Giraldi does not understand is that patriotic white people do not find it acceptable that the Holy Land be occupied by Muslim barbarians. It really is just that simple. It was the case 1000 years ago, and is still the case now.

    Israel is America's Crusader Kingdom, and Bibi is white America's loyal viceroy.

    on land stolen from Palestinians
     
    It is Israel's by right of conquest.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_conquest

    And if you don't believe in that right, I first urge to you deed your house over to the nearest Indian tribe, and second explain how the various Arabs who call themselves "Palestinians" got that land in the first place.

    Jew Crusader, LOL. Stop spitting at crosses before you paint them on your clothing. How do you think Christians 1000 years ago would have looked on the Holy Land being occupied by a Jewish state?

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    • Replies: @iffen
    How do you think Christians 1000 years ago would have looked on the Holy Land being occupied by a Jewish state?

    Make the West Great Again; bring back the Dark Ages.
    , @Lot

    How do you think Christians 1000 years ago would have looked on the Holy Land being occupied by a Jewish state?
     
    They would have preferred it to Islamic rule and viewed it as in accordance with the Bible.
  25. @JoaoAlfaiate
    To Lot: And how long did the Outre Mer last? A century? All those squatters in Jerusalem and elsewhere ought to dust off their old passports for a return to Minsk, Pinsk and Miami Beach.

    Yeah, I agree that European and American usurpers who (temporarily) control the place need to pack the fuck up and go home. But who’s going to give them that kick in the ass? Where’s this new Saladin, who’s the new Baibars? I don’t see any…

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    • Replies: @JoaoAlfaiate
    Well not that Quisling Abbas, that's for sure. But history has a way of providing surprises, even for a people that spent 2000 years trying to figure out how to get Jerusalem back. And history is littered with 1000 year Reichs, unconquerable empires and unsinkable ships. Note that the UNSC vote was 14-0 and that Europe is skeptical, to say the least, of America's, and especially Trump's , ability to lead.
  26. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    There are about six million Palestinians enslaved by Zionists in Palestine. There must be up to three hundred million Americans enslaved by those same Zionists in the US. Which is a greater tragedy? We needed Pat Buchanan for president.

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  27. @5371
    Jew Crusader, LOL. Stop spitting at crosses before you paint them on your clothing. How do you think Christians 1000 years ago would have looked on the Holy Land being occupied by a Jewish state?

    How do you think Christians 1000 years ago would have looked on the Holy Land being occupied by a Jewish state?

    Make the West Great Again; bring back the Dark Ages.

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    • Replies: @jacques sheete
    Make Israel great again; bring back ALEXANDER JANNÆUS.

    Alexander's chief aim was to make Judea great and powerful; to this he devoted his life.

    http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/1144-alexander-jannaeus-jonathan

     

    Josephus tells us that this same dude ...

    ...when he ordered eight hundred [Pharisees] to be hung upon crosses in the midst of [Jerusalem], he had the throats of their wives and children cut before their eyes; and these executions he saw as he was drinking and lying down with his concubines.

    -Flavius Josephus, The Wars of the Jews, Book I, Chapter 4, William Whitson translation, 1987 edition, page 550-55-
     
  28. Considering that Trump is surrounded by so many Jews and the fact that he is extraordinarily fond of his Jewish son-in-law (who has close ties to Israel) I never put much stock in his “America First” slogan. When push comes to shove Israel’s interests will trump (pun intended) America’s, but of course, we will be lectured that Israel’s interests are U.S. interests and anyone who dissents is an anti-semite and holocaust denier.

    The loony and intellectually bankrupt left only labels Trump a Nazi insofar as he doesn’t hate white people which is their prerequisite for political office. Otherwise, he’s shaping up to be a Likudnik’s wet dream.

    If Israel wants regime change with neighboring Muslim countries then it’s time they step up to the plate and risk bankruptcy. high military casualties and devastating terrorist attacks against their citizens to achieve it. They need to start paying with their own blood and treasure.

    It’s time for the U.S. to chart an entirely different course and adopt neutrality and a defensive grand strategy as foreign and military policy.

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    but of course, we will be lectured that Israel’s interests are U.S. interests and anyone who dissents is an anti-semite and holocaust denier....

    It’s time for the U.S. to chart an entirely different course and adopt neutrality and a defensive grand strategy as foreign and military policy.
     
    Just curious whether our anchor baby patriot concurs with these statements.
    , @War for Blair Mountain
    I want the same kind of highly racialized National Origins Immigration Policy as Our Friend Israel!!!

    Jared Kushner supports a Jew only National Origins Immigration for Our Friend Israel!!!


    Donald Trump supports a Jew only National Origins Immigration Policy for our Friend Israel!!


    Richard Spencer and Paul Kersey....take note of this....talk about nothing else....
  29. @Mao Cheng Ji
    Yeah, I agree that European and American usurpers who (temporarily) control the place need to pack the fuck up and go home. But who's going to give them that kick in the ass? Where's this new Saladin, who's the new Baibars? I don't see any...

    Well not that Quisling Abbas, that’s for sure. But history has a way of providing surprises, even for a people that spent 2000 years trying to figure out how to get Jerusalem back. And history is littered with 1000 year Reichs, unconquerable empires and unsinkable ships. Note that the UNSC vote was 14-0 and that Europe is skeptical, to say the least, of America’s, and especially Trump’s , ability to lead.

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    • Replies: @Mao Cheng Ji
    Well, I think the most likely scenario would be mass-emigration, resulting from worsening of economic conditions. Infusions of US money can only do so much, and hopefully BDS will play its part...
  30. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    “Great again”? Israel has always been great. Two words: high IQ.

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    • Replies: @JoaoAlfaiate
    One word: Networking
    , @Anonymous
    High IQ with Zero morality.

    What would you understand about that.
    , @Alden
    Average JEWISH IQ in Israel is something like 95. It will get lower because the hasids have most of the children and their state supported religious schools don't go further than 4th grade

    The basis kids don't learn math much beyond 4 the grade. All the girls need to know is how to cook, have babies and go to the benefits office.
    All the boys need to do us learn to read so they can spend the rest of their lives studying religion

    Since the descendants of Russian commie Zionists have few kids and the various sects of looney orthodox have most of the kids Israeli IQ will get lower each generation
    , @Dave Bowman
    "High Intelligence Quotient" is three words.
    , @Anonandon
    As I understand it, the national IQ of Israel is actually 90.

    A hundred years ago, in 1916, the Germans made the best peace offer in history. They stated that all participants should take their weapons and return to the borders they had before the war started.

    Instead, British Zionists made the Balfour agreement. If they got America into the war (after the Germans had already offered peace on the most generous terms in history) to fight the Germans then Britain would give the Jews Palestine (which belonged to Turkey).

    The Zionists (Untermeyer, Sussex false flag) tricked the Americans into the war and got 100,000 of them killed. They were responsible for the Treaties of Versalles (the most unfair impositions in history) and ensured the conditions to foment WW2.

    In 1917 the Zionists published completely false stories about Germans bayonetting and eating babies, crucifying Canadians, raping nuns etc. They are still continuing with similar stuff about WW2

    Their mainstream media has said nothing about this. Is that smart or just devious?
  31. @Lot
    It is funny how Unz.com's large stable of Israel/Jew haters just can't decide if Trump is on their side or not. (I think Giraldi is right, he's not, and Saker is wrong.)

    What Giraldi does not understand is that patriotic white people do not find it acceptable that the Holy Land be occupied by Muslim barbarians. It really is just that simple. It was the case 1000 years ago, and is still the case now.

    Israel is America's Crusader Kingdom, and Bibi is white America's loyal viceroy.

    on land stolen from Palestinians
     
    It is Israel's by right of conquest.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_conquest

    And if you don't believe in that right, I first urge to you deed your house over to the nearest Indian tribe, and second explain how the various Arabs who call themselves "Palestinians" got that land in the first place.

    Israel is America’s Crusader Kingdom, and Bibi is white America’s loyal viceroy.

    “America is Israel’s Crusader army, and Trump is the Zionist entity’s loyal viceroy.”

    There, fixed it for you.

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  32. @JoaoAlfaiate
    Well not that Quisling Abbas, that's for sure. But history has a way of providing surprises, even for a people that spent 2000 years trying to figure out how to get Jerusalem back. And history is littered with 1000 year Reichs, unconquerable empires and unsinkable ships. Note that the UNSC vote was 14-0 and that Europe is skeptical, to say the least, of America's, and especially Trump's , ability to lead.

    Well, I think the most likely scenario would be mass-emigration, resulting from worsening of economic conditions. Infusions of US money can only do so much, and hopefully BDS will play its part…

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  33. I was encouraged that DJT might be more balanced in approaching Israel than it first appeared when this meeting cancellation showed up. http://www.timesofisrael.com/backing-swedish-far-rightist-trump-proxy-boycotts-top-israeli-official/

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    • Replies: @geokat62
    I clicked on your link and read this:

    This is not the first time officials tied to the incoming Trump administration have been criticized for ostensible support for far-right or neo-Nazi groups. Trump’s pick of Steve Bannon as chief strategist has irked many in the US Jewish community over his embrace of the white nationalist, racist “alt-right” movement while at the helm of the Breitbart news website.
     
    A little rich seeing as they have no issues supporting an ethnostate.
  34. Nov 25, 2016 Donald Trump Picks Hawk CFR Henry Kissinger Aid To Cabinet

    Donald Trump’s latest National Security Advisor pick apart of his cabinet K.T. McFarland. We go over who this person really is and what to expect in the future from this major decision.

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  35. @KenH
    Considering that Trump is surrounded by so many Jews and the fact that he is extraordinarily fond of his Jewish son-in-law (who has close ties to Israel) I never put much stock in his "America First" slogan. When push comes to shove Israel's interests will trump (pun intended) America's, but of course, we will be lectured that Israel's interests are U.S. interests and anyone who dissents is an anti-semite and holocaust denier.

    The loony and intellectually bankrupt left only labels Trump a Nazi insofar as he doesn't hate white people which is their prerequisite for political office. Otherwise, he's shaping up to be a Likudnik's wet dream.

    If Israel wants regime change with neighboring Muslim countries then it's time they step up to the plate and risk bankruptcy. high military casualties and devastating terrorist attacks against their citizens to achieve it. They need to start paying with their own blood and treasure.

    It's time for the U.S. to chart an entirely different course and adopt neutrality and a defensive grand strategy as foreign and military policy.

    but of course, we will be lectured that Israel’s interests are U.S. interests and anyone who dissents is an anti-semite and holocaust denier….

    It’s time for the U.S. to chart an entirely different course and adopt neutrality and a defensive grand strategy as foreign and military policy.

    Just curious whether our anchor baby patriot concurs with these statements.

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    anchor baby patriot

    I assume this is my cue.

    but of course, we will be lectured that Israel’s interests are U.S. interests and anyone who dissents is an anti-semite and holocaust denier….
     
    Do not concur.

    It’s time for the U.S. to chart an entirely different course and adopt neutrality and a defensive grand strategy as foreign and military policy.
     
    Changes are definitely needed, not sure about the entirely part, and disagree with blanket neutrality.
  36. @KenH
    Considering that Trump is surrounded by so many Jews and the fact that he is extraordinarily fond of his Jewish son-in-law (who has close ties to Israel) I never put much stock in his "America First" slogan. When push comes to shove Israel's interests will trump (pun intended) America's, but of course, we will be lectured that Israel's interests are U.S. interests and anyone who dissents is an anti-semite and holocaust denier.

    The loony and intellectually bankrupt left only labels Trump a Nazi insofar as he doesn't hate white people which is their prerequisite for political office. Otherwise, he's shaping up to be a Likudnik's wet dream.

    If Israel wants regime change with neighboring Muslim countries then it's time they step up to the plate and risk bankruptcy. high military casualties and devastating terrorist attacks against their citizens to achieve it. They need to start paying with their own blood and treasure.

    It's time for the U.S. to chart an entirely different course and adopt neutrality and a defensive grand strategy as foreign and military policy.

    I want the same kind of highly racialized National Origins Immigration Policy as Our Friend Israel!!!

    Jared Kushner supports a Jew only National Origins Immigration for Our Friend Israel!!!

    Donald Trump supports a Jew only National Origins Immigration Policy for our Friend Israel!!

    Richard Spencer and Paul Kersey….take note of this….talk about nothing else….

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    • Replies: @Skeptikal
    "I want the same kind of highly racialized National Origins Immigration Policy as Our Friend Israel!!!"

    Yeah, and I want the same thing for Germany.

    Germans let in a million migrants from the ME but make ridiculous, craven arguments based on Second and Third Reich law when it comes to recognizing the descendants of those they pushed out and whose businesses were aryanized in the thirties.
  37. @Greg Bacon
    Such is life in a nation--America--that is a colony of Apartheid Israel. All that free money and all those 'surplus' weapons they receive each year is a tribute from the occupied nation, the USA, to Apartheid Israel.

    Israel and its American sayanim control the WH, Congress, State, and the FED and Treasury, making sure that Israel is completely in control of us GOYIM.

    But don't worry, watch football, baseball, basketball, soccer, hockey endlessly. Drool and lust after Hollywood starlets that love to show off their bodies. Drink yourself into a stupor and stay stoned. Just don't question or complain about being a subject of Eretz Israel.

    Israel and its American sayanim control the WH, Congress, State, and the FED and Treasury, making sure that Israel is completely in control of us GOYIM.

    Here is some background info on The Lobby:

    [MORE]

    The Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations (CoP; commonly Presidents’ Conference) is an American non-profit organization that addresses issues of critical concern to the Jewish community. It comprises 51* national Jewish organizations…

    * Update: The organization now represents 55 Jewish organizations in the United States, including all three major streams of Judaism and political groups on both the right and left.

    The Presidents’ Conference… was founded in 1956 in response to requests from President Dwight D. Eisenhower and his administration; [it] wanted a way to gauge the opinion of the community, without wading into the internal politics of the community, and polling leaders of each organization. The conference established a unified voice for the community, one that government officials could consult on important matters.

    The Presidents’ Conference and AIPAC work together, with all members of the conference sitting on AIPAC’s executive committee, which is distinct from its board of directors. The two organizations follow a clear division of labor. The conference focuses on the executive branch of the U.S. government, while AIPAC lobbies in Congress.

    As of 2014, member organizations included the following:

    Alpha Epsilon Pi (AEPi)
    Ameinu
    American Friends of Likud, a group supporting the right-wing Likud party that has been a leading force in Israeli politics since 1977.
    American Gathering/Federation of Jewish Holocaust Survivors
    America-Israel Friendship League
    American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC)
    American Jewish Committee
    American Jewish Congress
    American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee
    American Sephardi Federation
    American Zionist Movement, a coalition of Zionist groups and individuals, and the American affiliate of the World Zionist Organization.
    Americans for Peace Now
    AMIT
    Anti-Defamation League (ADL)
    Association of Reform Zionists of America/World Union North America, the Zionist arm of the Reform movement and an affiliate of the Union for Reform Judaism.
    B’nai B’rith International
    Bnai Zion
    Central Conference of American Rabbis
    Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America
    Development Corporation for Israel/State of Israel Bonds: Since 1951, Israel Bonds sales have helped Israel’s Finance Ministry support projects in key sectors. Bond sales have exceeded $25 billion.
    Emunah of America: Chapters and divisions around the United States support Israel’s largest Religious Zionisteducational and social welfare organizations.
    Friends of the Israel Defense Forces (FIDF): Supports social, educational, and recreational programs and facilities for Israeli soldiers and supports bereaved relatives of fallen soldiers.
    Hadassah, the Women’s Zionist Organization of America
    Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society
    Jewish Community Centers Association
    Jewish Council for Public Affairs
    Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs
    Jewish Labor Committee
    Jewish National Fund
    Jewish Reconstructionist Federation
    Jewish War Veterans of the United States of America (JWV)
    Jewish Women International
    MERCAZ USA, Zionist Organization of the Conservative Movement
    NA’AMAT USA: This group has pursued its goal of supporting the women and children of Israel for the past 80 years.
    NCSJ Advocates on behalf of Jews in Russia, Ukraine, the Baltic States & Eurasia
    National Council of Jewish Women
    National Council of Young Israel
    World ORT – ORT America branch: Association for the Promotion of Skilled Trades
    Rabbinical Assembly (RA)
    Rabbinical Council of America (RCA)
    Religious Zionists of America (RZA or Mizrahi)
    Union for Reform Judaism (URJ)
    Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America (Orthodox Union or OU)
    United Jewish Communities (UJC)
    United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism (USCJ)
    Women’s International Zionist Organization (WIZO)
    Women’s League for Conservative Judaism (WLCJ)
    Women of Reform Judaism (WRJ)
    Workmen’s Circle (Arbeter Ring)
    World Zionist Executive, US
    Zionist Organization of America (ZOA)

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conference_of_Presidents_of_Major_American_Jewish_Organizations

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  38. @StarTripper
    I was encouraged that DJT might be more balanced in approaching Israel than it first appeared when this meeting cancellation showed up. http://www.timesofisrael.com/backing-swedish-far-rightist-trump-proxy-boycotts-top-israeli-official/

    I clicked on your link and read this:

    This is not the first time officials tied to the incoming Trump administration have been criticized for ostensible support for far-right or neo-Nazi groups. Trump’s pick of Steve Bannon as chief strategist has irked many in the US Jewish community over his embrace of the white nationalist, racist “alt-right” movement while at the helm of the Breitbart news website.

    A little rich seeing as they have no issues supporting an ethnostate.

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  39. @geokat62

    but of course, we will be lectured that Israel’s interests are U.S. interests and anyone who dissents is an anti-semite and holocaust denier....

    It’s time for the U.S. to chart an entirely different course and adopt neutrality and a defensive grand strategy as foreign and military policy.
     
    Just curious whether our anchor baby patriot concurs with these statements.

    anchor baby patriot

    I assume this is my cue.

    but of course, we will be lectured that Israel’s interests are U.S. interests and anyone who dissents is an anti-semite and holocaust denier….

    Do not concur.

    It’s time for the U.S. to chart an entirely different course and adopt neutrality and a defensive grand strategy as foreign and military policy.

    Changes are definitely needed, not sure about the entirely part, and disagree with blanket neutrality.

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  40. Surprising enough, Kevin MacDonald has a more optimistic outlook on the present situation (“Donald Trump as a Zionist,” Occidental Observer, 26 December 2016).

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    • Replies: @Art
    Surprising enough, Kevin MacDonald has a more optimistic outlook on the present situation (“Donald Trump as a Zionist,” Occidental Observer, 26 December 2016).

    Kevin MacDonald: Politics, after all, is the art of the possible. For us as advocates of a White America, our first priorities should be domestic policy — ending the immigration onslaught first and foremost. If doing that is made easier by supporting Israel, so be it.

    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2016/12/donald-trump-as-zionist/#more-108242

     

    That is crazy – do blacks and Latinos control congress, the president, foreign policy, domestic policy, the media, education, and soon to be the courts. Get real!

    The very reason we have too many Mexicans is because of Jew policy and politics.

    America needs to fix its Jew control problem.

    Only fools disagree with that.

    Peace --- Art
  41. When will Israel define its border? Is it Genesis 15:18 from the river in Egypt to the Euphrates river in Iraq? Didn’t God make His covenant conditional on the obedience of Abraham’s offspring? Deuteronomy 28. Does the modern, secular state called Israel have a living prophet telling the Jews to take the land away from the people living there? The 10 tribes of the Kingdom of Israel were conquered and assimilated in 722 BC leaving the southern Kingdom of Judah (and the tribe of Benjamin). They were conquered in 586 BC. Later Judeans (Jews) returned to Judea. The land today should rightfully be called Judea, not Israel, and of course Jews should be allowed to live there. But I disagree that it should be a solely Jewish state. Also, I do not believe that the modern, secular state called Israel has anything to do with the Second Coming of Christ. Modern Israel was created by the UN and is not the Israel of the Bible.

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    > When will Israel define its border?

    how long was the USA in existence when it completed its "land grab" from the Spanish-American War?


    How long was Russia in existence when it re-annexed Crimea?


    "Two State Solution" - what is that, the revival of the Confederate States of America?


    PS: whenever you see a tail wag a dog, you know that you're looking a very strong tail.... or a very weak dog. What's the last three things that Philip Giraldi did to strengthen the footing of the weak dog?

  42. Well, a pro-Russian, pro-Israel Trump administration would probably align nicely with Bibi’s own foreign policy (which is informed by the demands of the large Russian-Israeli population). As Steve Sailer has noted for a long time, Israel’s right has been cozying up to Putin for a long time. True, they don’t see eye to eye on Iran or Syria, but I’m sure some arrangement can be hammered out.

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  43. Those of us who considered the foreign policy debacle to be the most dangerous issue confronting the country

    Idiots, in other words.

    For sure, but he has a point, and it all is part and parcel of a foreign policy that serves no actual interest for people who already live in the United States.

    Globalism isn’t some detail of foreign policy. Not for the globalists, and not for their victims (the world).

    At least Obama had the good sense to despise Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, but that will not be true of the White House after January 20th.

    This seems odd for Trump, given how Boobie threw Trump under the bus during the election, and how the Zionists did pretty much nothing to help Trump – when they weren’t NeverTrumping, that is.

    Maybe Trump’s invitation to Boobie is like his invitation of Romney; hi guy, here, have a long, long tease, now GTFO, enjoy the blue balls.

    Or maybe Trump has in mind a strategy of using Israel as sword and shield. I think this would be an immensely useful strategy; pattern American policy on Israeli policy (sword); whenever criticized, defend by pointing to Israel (shield). It could be devastatingly effective, given the many billions of dollars the Zionists have spent building up Israel’s popularity in America. American cucks will be highly vulnerable to this strategy. Jews will be very weak against it. It will expose all kinds of fissures and vulnerabilities long papered over. And it will give implicit white nationalism a lot of room to maneuver. And in the long run, it will be good for the Zionists, and bad for diaspora Jewry.

    Or maybe Trump’s strategy is somewhere in the middle.

    You’re mostly speculating, jumping the gun, vis-a-vis Iran.

    You’re right about Trump’s position on the Security Council resolution being straight from Boobie, but I can see a lot of potential up sides to cleaving closely to the rightist Israeli regime.

    I noticed that you ignored Boobie/Trump’s point about Hussein’s sharp divergence from the bipartisan consensus in Congress. Much as we might hate to admit it, they have a point.

    But unfortunately, Trump’s interventions suggest that nothing critical of Israel will be allowed to emerge from the U.N. during his term of office.

    Maybe. Or maybe Trump will work deals with Boobie, the way he seems inclined to work deals with everyone. Trump may be inclined to grant unconditional support to the Zionist Jews, the way he probably hasn’t been inclined to grant it to New York City Jews (a corrolary of his continued survival in the NYC real estate business), but I wouldn’t bank on it.

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    • Replies: @Mike Johnson
    More than likely, Trumps courting of Pro-Israel, Pro-war with Iran Romney was a signal to the Lobby and hard line Zionists.

    "When Mitt Romney made Trump’s short list as a potential Secretary of State, the war-with-Iran agenda came sharply back into focus. A lay bishop in the Mormon Church, a Romney Administration would by now have led us into Israel’s long-sought war with Iran.
    During Romney’s 2012 campaign, foreign policy adviser Dan Senor told journalists that if Israel launched a strike on Iran’s nuclear facilities, Romney “would respect the move.” Regardless of their personal differences (Romney called Trump a “phony” and a “fraud”), his hardline position on Iran qualified Romney to serve as Trump’s Secretary of State.
    Should Romney be included in a Trump administration, Trump will be portrayed as magnanimous and Romney’s role will be cast as unifying the party. In truth, it will confirm that Zionists have consolidated their power in a presidency produced for the purpose of taking us to war in Iran. Those promoting the narrative of “Russian interference” in the 2016 presidential election fail to mention that Israeli Ambassador Ron Dermer campaigned for Romney in 2012; Netanyahu was prominently featured in a Romney campaign ad in Florida warning of the Iranian threat.
    Romney adviser Dan Senor hailed Pompeo as a “superb pick” (Romney’s July 2012 trip to Israel is described as the “brainchild” of Senor and Dermer).[20] As chief spokesperson for the Coalition Provisional Authority and senior adviser to Bremer,[21] Senor put a positive spin on the disastrous post-invasion policies that devastated Iraq and pre-staged the conditions required for the emergence of ISIL.[22] While in Iraq, the neoconservative Senor represented not U.S. but Israeli interests.[23]
    Trump’s transition confirms that Jewish elites and extremists have amassed enough control to pick presidential advisers able to shape U.S. foreign policy for the next fifty years. Lt. General Michael Flynn, former Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency,[24] was quickly named National Security Adviser. After the attack on the U.S. diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya in 2012, General Flynn kept asking his intelligence officers to look for a link to Iran—i.e., in much the same way that intelligence officers were pressed to look for a 9/11 link to Iraq. In neither case was there any link.

    http://hiddentaxonhumanity.com/uncategorized/mel-rockefeller-commentary/mel-rockefeller-commentary/

    , @Gabriel M

    This seems odd for Trump, given how Boobie threw Trump under the bus during the election
     
    You keep repeating this false claim. Once again, in reality, Bibi distanced himself from Trump in mild terms after Trump proposed a blanket ban on Muslim non-citizens entering the U.S. The very same speech was criticized in much harsher terms by Marine Le Pen and, at the same time, the British parliament actually held a debate, after a petition signed by hundreds of thousands, on banning Trump from the country. The Prime Minister of France to take one example out of hundreds, said that Trump made him "want to retch". At the same time, Arab MKs were threatening riots if Trump visited the country.

    With all that said, Bibi is actually not a very good student of US affairs. He bet that Romney would win and Trump would lose. He doesn't seem to have any more insight than anyone could get from reading the newspaper.

  44. Hussein has handed Trump a big favor with the Security Council abstention, btw. Trump can now point to the fact that White House support for Israel is not unconditional, without having to get his hands dirty. And he can position himself as quite the carrot. Personally, I’d make Boobie & the Zionists pay, in a public way, for throwing me under the bus during the campaign, if I were Trump, but maybe he has bigger plans.

    Dan thanks for the link to the OD piece:

    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2016/12/donald-trump-as-zionist/#more-108242

    America is run by Israel-Firsters. Giraldi & company are Israel-Lasters. Trump is (or seems to be) an America-Firster. KMac is a Whites-Firster, so naturally, he’s not as het up about Trump’s position as the Israel-Lasters are. KMac is obviously closest to my own position. Our problem is far more with diaspora Jewry, than it is with Israel. On the contrary, we’d like to have for ourselves something a lot like what Israeli Jewry has for itself.

    Politics, after all, is the art of the possible. For us as advocates of a White America, our first priorities should be domestic policy — ending the immigration onslaught first and foremost. If doing that is made easier by supporting Israel, so be it.

    Finally, I suggest that Trump’s sympathy for Jews and Jewish concerns is real, but that he is well aware of Jewish power and the need to use Jewish power and their personal abilities to his advantage. An article in the Jerusalem Post by Michael Wilner from September adds considerable detail to Trump’s very long history of Jewish ties.

    Indeed. That makes perfect sense to me.

    It is funny how Unz.com’s large stable of Israel/Jew haters just can’t decide if Trump is on their side or not. (I think Giraldi is right, he’s not, and Saker is wrong.)

    Taking a wait and see attitude, and constantly correcting for new info, is common sense. I don’t find common sense “funny,” generally speaking, but to each his own.

    Dealmakers support no one unconditionally. That seems like common sense to me – to see Trump as a dealmaker, before seeing him wedded to some cucked-out vision of Israel as “our” heretical Crusader State.

    “Great again”? Israel has always been great. Two words: high IQ.

    What’s Israel’s mean IQ again? 95, or something? Ashkenazi Israeli mean IQ is like 104, IIRC. Vast majority of the smart Jews live in the diaspora.

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    Trump didn't need Obama's action on the UN resolution to set that tone. George W. Bush let five UNSC resolutions pass against Israel, called on Israel to end the occupation of Palestinian land, called for a contiguous Palestinian state unfettered by Israeli settlements, condemned the settlement enterprise repeatedly, withheld U.S. loan guarantees to Israel, implemented strict restrictions on Israeli travel to the U.S., condemned the building of Israel's security wall, condemned Israel's attacks on Gaza, pushed Israel into the Annapolis conference and the Road Map, sold weapons to Arab states in violation of an agreement with Israel, pressured Israel to allow Hamas to run in the Palestinian elections, prosecuted AIPAC staffers for espionage, and refused to support an Israeli bombing run on Iran's nuclear facilities. Nonetheless, his last year in office, with the financial support of Sheldon Adelson no less, he was honored at the first Israeli President's Conference as Israel's protector and the best friend Israel has ever had in the White House.

    Obama's big crime and the real favor he did for an incoming Trump administration was signing that Iran Nuclear deal giving Trump a shadow of an opportunity to avoid another war for Israel being so aggressively pushed by the Pro-Israel crowd.

    All of Bush's lesser crimes against Israel were easily forgiven for the much greater gift he gave the Zionists which was the war against and total destruction of Iraq and the huge cost it caused to the American empire which must happen for the torch to be passed from Pax Americana to Pax Judaica.

    , @Lot

    Our problem is far more with diaspora Jewry, than it is with Israel.
     
    If the muzzies ever take over Israel, guess where the Israeli Jews will all come!

    Ashkenazi Israeli mean IQ is like 104, IIRC. Vast majority of the smart Jews live in the diaspora.
     
    I agree Ashkenazi Israelis have lower IQ than full-blooded non-Israeli Ashkenazi because the choice to become a farmer-soldier in Israel v a citizen of a safe Western democracy would have sorted by IQ.

    Regression to the mean, however, would have greatly narrowed these differences by now.

    Ultimately it isn't very important going forward, as fewer and fewer full-blooded Ashkenazi are being born as they intermix with whites and asians in the USA and Sephardi and Slav-Ashkenazi hybrids from the former USSR.
  45. Giraldi & company are Israel-Lasters. KMac and I are Whites-Firsters.

    And iffen & co are Stupidity-Firsters who conflate the two.

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  46. @iffen
    How do you think Christians 1000 years ago would have looked on the Holy Land being occupied by a Jewish state?

    Make the West Great Again; bring back the Dark Ages.

    Make Israel great again; bring back ALEXANDER JANNÆUS.

    Alexander’s chief aim was to make Judea great and powerful; to this he devoted his life.

    http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/1144-alexander-jannaeus-jonathan

    Josephus tells us that this same dude …

    …when he ordered eight hundred [Pharisees] to be hung upon crosses in the midst of [Jerusalem], he had the throats of their wives and children cut before their eyes; and these executions he saw as he was drinking and lying down with his concubines.

    -Flavius Josephus, The Wars of the Jews, Book I, Chapter 4, William Whitson translation, 1987 edition, page 550-55-

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  47. Nary a kudo for Obama anywhere. The Jew MSM has supported him 100% for eight years – now nothing. He has given up untold millions in speaker fees from Jews (and probably every major interest) to do the right thing. Too bad he got the Nobel Peace Prize when he did – he deserves it now.

    Trump campaigned that he was going to take America out of the bad guy trouble making column. Well with his actions on the UN vote he has squarely put America at odds with the world. In effect the vote was 15 for Palestine – zero for Israel. Hmm – 15 for good – ZERO for evil.

    It appears that what Trump meant when he said he would end the Palestinian/Israeli conflict, was that he would give Palestine a deal that they could not refuse – either they take it, or he will give Netanyahu full range to do as he pleases.

    Peace — Art

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    The private bankers that conspired and created the unconstitutional Federal Reserve, control our currency and have an infinite supply of money. They own the United States (which was turned into a corporation in 1871). They own our gov't, media, medical establishment and all major institutions. They created Israel and wreak havoc on the world in the form of wars. They control all the central banks (except for North Korea, Iran and Cuba) and therefore control the world.

    They're in the process of culling the world population through chemtrails, vaccines and wars. We need a worldwide awakening and revolution to take control back. There's billions of us but unfortunately everyone is asleep.
  48. http://www.timesofisrael.com/backing-swedish-far-rightist-trump-proxy-boycotts-top-israeli-official/

    senior member of President-elect Donald Trump’s transition team and a delegation of US Republican and European lawmakers canceled a briefing Thursday with Israel’s Deputy Foreign Minister Tzipi Hotovely over a refusal to allow a Swedish far-right member of the group into the meeting, The Times of Israel has learned.

    Yes, that is very interesting, isn’t it?

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  49. It is funny how Unz.com’s large stable of Israel/Jew haters just can’t decide if Trump is on their side or not. (I think Giraldi is right, he’s not, and Saker is wrong.)

    On second thought, I suppose I’ve unfairly lumped myself into the group you’re intending to criticize. There is, after all, a large stable of Israel-Lasters here at TUR.

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  50. The Israeli/Zionist cancer of America is irreversible at this point, so deeply entrenched are these forces in our nation. The assassination of John F. Kennedy came during the heights of his battle against Ben-Gurion and the possibility of a nuclear Israel, something he was dead set against and that quickly happened once he was out of the way. During this time, while JFK was attempting to place Israel’s Dimona Nuclear weapons program under US inspection, attorney general Robert Kennedy ordered AIPAC’s parent organization, AZC(American Zionist Council) to openly register and disclose all of its foreign funded lobbying activity in the United States. Of course, these plans were stopped by the murder of JFK and Israel today is fully nuclear and NO Israeli lobby has ever registered as a foreign agent.

    https://pulsemedia.org/2009/08/28/the-kennedys-vs-israels-lobby/

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  51. @Svigor

    Those of us who considered the foreign policy debacle to be the most dangerous issue confronting the country
     
    Idiots, in other words.

    For sure, but he has a point, and it all is part and parcel of a foreign policy that serves no actual interest for people who already live in the United States.
     
    Globalism isn't some detail of foreign policy. Not for the globalists, and not for their victims (the world).

    At least Obama had the good sense to despise Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, but that will not be true of the White House after January 20th.
     
    This seems odd for Trump, given how Boobie threw Trump under the bus during the election, and how the Zionists did pretty much nothing to help Trump - when they weren't NeverTrumping, that is.

    Maybe Trump's invitation to Boobie is like his invitation of Romney; hi guy, here, have a long, long tease, now GTFO, enjoy the blue balls.

    Or maybe Trump has in mind a strategy of using Israel as sword and shield. I think this would be an immensely useful strategy; pattern American policy on Israeli policy (sword); whenever criticized, defend by pointing to Israel (shield). It could be devastatingly effective, given the many billions of dollars the Zionists have spent building up Israel's popularity in America. American cucks will be highly vulnerable to this strategy. Jews will be very weak against it. It will expose all kinds of fissures and vulnerabilities long papered over. And it will give implicit white nationalism a lot of room to maneuver. And in the long run, it will be good for the Zionists, and bad for diaspora Jewry.

    Or maybe Trump's strategy is somewhere in the middle.

    You're mostly speculating, jumping the gun, vis-a-vis Iran.

    You're right about Trump's position on the Security Council resolution being straight from Boobie, but I can see a lot of potential up sides to cleaving closely to the rightist Israeli regime.

    I noticed that you ignored Boobie/Trump's point about Hussein's sharp divergence from the bipartisan consensus in Congress. Much as we might hate to admit it, they have a point.

    But unfortunately, Trump’s interventions suggest that nothing critical of Israel will be allowed to emerge from the U.N. during his term of office.
     
    Maybe. Or maybe Trump will work deals with Boobie, the way he seems inclined to work deals with everyone. Trump may be inclined to grant unconditional support to the Zionist Jews, the way he probably hasn't been inclined to grant it to New York City Jews (a corrolary of his continued survival in the NYC real estate business), but I wouldn't bank on it.

    More than likely, Trumps courting of Pro-Israel, Pro-war with Iran Romney was a signal to the Lobby and hard line Zionists.

    “When Mitt Romney made Trump’s short list as a potential Secretary of State, the war-with-Iran agenda came sharply back into focus. A lay bishop in the Mormon Church, a Romney Administration would by now have led us into Israel’s long-sought war with Iran.
    During Romney’s 2012 campaign, foreign policy adviser Dan Senor told journalists that if Israel launched a strike on Iran’s nuclear facilities, Romney “would respect the move.” Regardless of their personal differences (Romney called Trump a “phony” and a “fraud”), his hardline position on Iran qualified Romney to serve as Trump’s Secretary of State.
    Should Romney be included in a Trump administration, Trump will be portrayed as magnanimous and Romney’s role will be cast as unifying the party. In truth, it will confirm that Zionists have consolidated their power in a presidency produced for the purpose of taking us to war in Iran. Those promoting the narrative of “Russian interference” in the 2016 presidential election fail to mention that Israeli Ambassador Ron Dermer campaigned for Romney in 2012; Netanyahu was prominently featured in a Romney campaign ad in Florida warning of the Iranian threat.
    Romney adviser Dan Senor hailed Pompeo as a “superb pick” (Romney’s July 2012 trip to Israel is described as the “brainchild” of Senor and Dermer).[20] As chief spokesperson for the Coalition Provisional Authority and senior adviser to Bremer,[21] Senor put a positive spin on the disastrous post-invasion policies that devastated Iraq and pre-staged the conditions required for the emergence of ISIL.[22] While in Iraq, the neoconservative Senor represented not U.S. but Israeli interests.[23]
    Trump’s transition confirms that Jewish elites and extremists have amassed enough control to pick presidential advisers able to shape U.S. foreign policy for the next fifty years. Lt. General Michael Flynn, former Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency,[24] was quickly named National Security Adviser. After the attack on the U.S. diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya in 2012, General Flynn kept asking his intelligence officers to look for a link to Iran—i.e., in much the same way that intelligence officers were pressed to look for a 9/11 link to Iraq. In neither case was there any link.

    http://hiddentaxonhumanity.com/uncategorized/mel-rockefeller-commentary/mel-rockefeller-commentary/

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  52. Dear trolls and assailants,

    Congratulations, you have won. Insults and pejoratives are one thing, intimidation and assaults are another. Other people may fancy violence and blackjacks, I have no taste for confrontation. In a few hours, you can raise your champagne flutes and celebrate my passing. Cyber-stalking laws are there for a reason. Parents, please don’t let this happen to your children, it turns life into a living hell.

    - Allie

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    Can someone explain this? I haven't a clue what he or she is talking about.
    , @vinteuil
    "I have no taste for confrontation..."

    Anybody who's curious can check out your posting history here and see for themselves your penchant for malice and dishonesty.
  53. Don’t believe Obama just “developed a backbone”. This is a scam, pure and simple.

    There will be massive false-flag attack on American soil, blamed on Russia, before Obama leaves office.

    This newfound “compassion” for the little guy will make it all the easier for Obama to rally Americans into supporting martial law, and an open-ended Obama dictatorship, or at least putting up with it. With a little help from the Stasi, eh, “Homeland Security”, for luck.

    At minimum, this move is simply what Noam Chomsky has described as the “standard zionist tactic of appearing to switch sides, last minute, to avoid being blamed”.

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    Before Russia is blamed for a false flag, Iran will be and very soon too. The destruction of Iran is the most pivotal prereq to a war against Russia and Putin will have to decide whether to let America exhaust its empire in Iran through war or continue with the stand he took in Syria., which logically would continue into support for Iran.
  54. The US-Israel Axis of Diversity.

    [MORE]

    1. US-Israel are national democracies with no effective constitutional limits on their national government’s law making power.

    2. US-Israel are dominated by an organized, ultra-large, anti-white-straight-Christian-male victim cult. This organized victim cult falsely promotes itself as being anti-Nazi.

    3. US-Israel define a Nazi profile as being white-straight-Christian-independent-armed-gringo-law abiding-male

    4. US-Israel have a 2-party system that dominates national politics.

    5. US Republicans = conservative Judaism = Israeli Likud Party

    6. US Democrats = secular Judaism = Israeli Labor Party

    7. US-Israel have a super-majority of protected class voters who behave as a victim cult, They are special people that demand and receive thousands of class based government enttlements by law in exchange for their votes.

    8. US-Israel are fascist and aggressive proponents of the American-Israeli victim class supremacy scheme in the world

    9. US-Israel coodinate their attacks and sabotage of Israeli enemies in the middle east

    10. US-Israel coordinate their black operations

    11. US-Israel share military technology and intelligence

    12. US-Israel are international pariah states for the same reasons

    13. US-Israel have biased immigration policies in favor of victim cult people.

    14. US-Israel cover for each others transgressions in the UN

    15. US-Israel military and foreign aid agreements are heavily biased toward Israeli enrichment

    16. US-Israel relationship is so perverse that Israel can attack the US Navy, and be rewarded for doing so (USS Liberty)

    17. The American-Israeli victim class supremacy scheme ideology:

    Women are entitled because of Male oppression
    Jewish are entitled because of Gentile oppression
    Queers are entitled because of Straight oppression
    Muslims are entitled because of Christian oppression
    Disabled are entitled because of Healthy oppression
    Afro-blacks are entitled because of White oppression
    Latinos are entitled because of Gringo oppression
    Hispanics are entitled because of Gringo oppression
    Military Veteran are entitled because of Militia oppression
    2-party System Dependents are entitled because of Independent oppression
    Aboriginals are entitled because of Paleface oppression
    Asians are entitled because of Occidental oppression
    National Socialist are entitled because of local-state Government oppression
    Crony Capitalist are entitled because of honest Businessmen oppression
    Zionist are entitled because of anti-Fascist oppression

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  55. @Svigor
    Hussein has handed Trump a big favor with the Security Council abstention, btw. Trump can now point to the fact that White House support for Israel is not unconditional, without having to get his hands dirty. And he can position himself as quite the carrot. Personally, I'd make Boobie & the Zionists pay, in a public way, for throwing me under the bus during the campaign, if I were Trump, but maybe he has bigger plans.

    Dan thanks for the link to the OD piece:
    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2016/12/donald-trump-as-zionist/#more-108242

    America is run by Israel-Firsters. Giraldi & company are Israel-Lasters. Trump is (or seems to be) an America-Firster. KMac is a Whites-Firster, so naturally, he's not as het up about Trump's position as the Israel-Lasters are. KMac is obviously closest to my own position. Our problem is far more with diaspora Jewry, than it is with Israel. On the contrary, we'd like to have for ourselves something a lot like what Israeli Jewry has for itself.

    Politics, after all, is the art of the possible. For us as advocates of a White America, our first priorities should be domestic policy — ending the immigration onslaught first and foremost. If doing that is made easier by supporting Israel, so be it.

    Finally, I suggest that Trump’s sympathy for Jews and Jewish concerns is real, but that he is well aware of Jewish power and the need to use Jewish power and their personal abilities to his advantage. An article in the Jerusalem Post by Michael Wilner from September adds considerable detail to Trump’s very long history of Jewish ties.
     
    Indeed. That makes perfect sense to me.

    It is funny how Unz.com’s large stable of Israel/Jew haters just can’t decide if Trump is on their side or not. (I think Giraldi is right, he’s not, and Saker is wrong.)
     
    Taking a wait and see attitude, and constantly correcting for new info, is common sense. I don't find common sense "funny," generally speaking, but to each his own.

    Dealmakers support no one unconditionally. That seems like common sense to me - to see Trump as a dealmaker, before seeing him wedded to some cucked-out vision of Israel as "our" heretical Crusader State.

    “Great again”? Israel has always been great. Two words: high IQ.
     
    What's Israel's mean IQ again? 95, or something? Ashkenazi Israeli mean IQ is like 104, IIRC. Vast majority of the smart Jews live in the diaspora.

    Trump didn’t need Obama’s action on the UN resolution to set that tone. George W. Bush let five UNSC resolutions pass against Israel, called on Israel to end the occupation of Palestinian land, called for a contiguous Palestinian state unfettered by Israeli settlements, condemned the settlement enterprise repeatedly, withheld U.S. loan guarantees to Israel, implemented strict restrictions on Israeli travel to the U.S., condemned the building of Israel’s security wall, condemned Israel’s attacks on Gaza, pushed Israel into the Annapolis conference and the Road Map, sold weapons to Arab states in violation of an agreement with Israel, pressured Israel to allow Hamas to run in the Palestinian elections, prosecuted AIPAC staffers for espionage, and refused to support an Israeli bombing run on Iran’s nuclear facilities. Nonetheless, his last year in office, with the financial support of Sheldon Adelson no less, he was honored at the first Israeli President’s Conference as Israel’s protector and the best friend Israel has ever had in the White House.

    Obama’s big crime and the real favor he did for an incoming Trump administration was signing that Iran Nuclear deal giving Trump a shadow of an opportunity to avoid another war for Israel being so aggressively pushed by the Pro-Israel crowd.

    All of Bush’s lesser crimes against Israel were easily forgiven for the much greater gift he gave the Zionists which was the war against and total destruction of Iraq and the huge cost it caused to the American empire which must happen for the torch to be passed from Pax Americana to Pax Judaica.

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  56. […] With Donald Trump coming into power, who needs neocons? asks Phil Giraldi. […]

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  57. More than likely, Trumps courting of Pro-Israel, Pro-war with Iran Romney was a signal to the Lobby and hard line Zionists.

    The quote seems both premature, and outdated in light of subsequent events.

    Dear trolls and assailants,

    Congratulations, you have won. Insults and pejoratives are one thing, intimidation and assaults are another. Other people may fancy violence and blackjacks, I have no taste for confrontation. In a few hours, you can raise your champagne flutes and celebrate my passing. Cyber-stalking laws are there for a reason. Parents, please don’t let this happen to your children, it turns life into a living hell.

    You’ll be missed (that’s sarcasm).

    There will be massive false-flag attack on American soil, blamed on Russia, before Obama leaves office.

    Maybe we can get the Russians who just faked their ambassador’s assassination and blew up their own passenger jet to pull it off for us? If not, maybe the Russians who pulled off the false-flag bombings of Russian apartment buildings (to get Russian public support for 2nd Chechnian war) are available.

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  58. @DaveE
    Don't believe Obama just "developed a backbone". This is a scam, pure and simple.

    There will be massive false-flag attack on American soil, blamed on Russia, before Obama leaves office.

    This newfound "compassion" for the little guy will make it all the easier for Obama to rally Americans into supporting martial law, and an open-ended Obama dictatorship, or at least putting up with it. With a little help from the Stasi, eh, "Homeland Security", for luck.

    At minimum, this move is simply what Noam Chomsky has described as the "standard zionist tactic of appearing to switch sides, last minute, to avoid being blamed".

    Before Russia is blamed for a false flag, Iran will be and very soon too. The destruction of Iran is the most pivotal prereq to a war against Russia and Putin will have to decide whether to let America exhaust its empire in Iran through war or continue with the stand he took in Syria., which logically would continue into support for Iran.

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    • Replies: @DaveE
    You may be right...... hard to say.

    As for Iran, I think the zios got burned bigtime with the explosion of their rocket, days before the anniversary of 9/11, on the launchpad, seemingly by a missile (still not explained) and which absolutely freaked out the Israelis. The rocket carried a nuke "from Iran" designed to strike the US on the 15th anniversary of 9/11, after orbiting Earth for a day or two, just for cover.

    My guess is that the downed TU-154 plane (a new low even for the Chosenites) , the assassination of the Russian ambassador, the Obama threats to Russia over the bogus election meddling, all point to Russia as the latest target of the zionists.
    , @Astuteobservor II
    iran is untouchable right now. china's new silk road runs through it. the zionists would have to deal with iran, russia and china, all 3 at the same time.

    I don't see anyway for the zionists to win in that confrontation. it is also the reason why the iran/usa nuclear treaty even exists.

  59. Nary a kudo for Obama anywhere. The Jew MSM has supported him 100% for eight years – now nothing. He has given up untold millions in speaker fees from Jews (and probably every major interest) to do the right thing. Too bad he got the Nobel Peace Prize when he did – he deserves it now.

    Good point; the abstention won’t do him any favors in that department, that’s for sure. Which suggests that some of his Big Money Jews are on board; I doubt he’d put (all of) his Warbucks in jeopardy without at least consulting them.

    Trump campaigned that he was going to take America out of the bad guy trouble making column. Well with his actions on the UN vote he has squarely put America at odds with the world. In effect the vote was 15 for Palestine – zero for Israel. Hmm – 15 for good – ZERO for evil.

    Yeah, Trump seems more interested in America than The World. I tend to agree.

    Israel-Lasters do seem pretty uninterested in what’s good for me and mine. Just like the Israel-Firsters. But at least there’s something to be gained from the latter.

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  60. @Svigor

    Those of us who considered the foreign policy debacle to be the most dangerous issue confronting the country
     
    Idiots, in other words.

    For sure, but he has a point, and it all is part and parcel of a foreign policy that serves no actual interest for people who already live in the United States.
     
    Globalism isn't some detail of foreign policy. Not for the globalists, and not for their victims (the world).

    At least Obama had the good sense to despise Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, but that will not be true of the White House after January 20th.
     
    This seems odd for Trump, given how Boobie threw Trump under the bus during the election, and how the Zionists did pretty much nothing to help Trump - when they weren't NeverTrumping, that is.

    Maybe Trump's invitation to Boobie is like his invitation of Romney; hi guy, here, have a long, long tease, now GTFO, enjoy the blue balls.

    Or maybe Trump has in mind a strategy of using Israel as sword and shield. I think this would be an immensely useful strategy; pattern American policy on Israeli policy (sword); whenever criticized, defend by pointing to Israel (shield). It could be devastatingly effective, given the many billions of dollars the Zionists have spent building up Israel's popularity in America. American cucks will be highly vulnerable to this strategy. Jews will be very weak against it. It will expose all kinds of fissures and vulnerabilities long papered over. And it will give implicit white nationalism a lot of room to maneuver. And in the long run, it will be good for the Zionists, and bad for diaspora Jewry.

    Or maybe Trump's strategy is somewhere in the middle.

    You're mostly speculating, jumping the gun, vis-a-vis Iran.

    You're right about Trump's position on the Security Council resolution being straight from Boobie, but I can see a lot of potential up sides to cleaving closely to the rightist Israeli regime.

    I noticed that you ignored Boobie/Trump's point about Hussein's sharp divergence from the bipartisan consensus in Congress. Much as we might hate to admit it, they have a point.

    But unfortunately, Trump’s interventions suggest that nothing critical of Israel will be allowed to emerge from the U.N. during his term of office.
     
    Maybe. Or maybe Trump will work deals with Boobie, the way he seems inclined to work deals with everyone. Trump may be inclined to grant unconditional support to the Zionist Jews, the way he probably hasn't been inclined to grant it to New York City Jews (a corrolary of his continued survival in the NYC real estate business), but I wouldn't bank on it.

    This seems odd for Trump, given how Boobie threw Trump under the bus during the election

    You keep repeating this false claim. Once again, in reality, Bibi distanced himself from Trump in mild terms after Trump proposed a blanket ban on Muslim non-citizens entering the U.S. The very same speech was criticized in much harsher terms by Marine Le Pen and, at the same time, the British parliament actually held a debate, after a petition signed by hundreds of thousands, on banning Trump from the country. The Prime Minister of France to take one example out of hundreds, said that Trump made him “want to retch”. At the same time, Arab MKs were threatening riots if Trump visited the country.

    With all that said, Bibi is actually not a very good student of US affairs. He bet that Romney would win and Trump would lose. He doesn’t seem to have any more insight than anyone could get from reading the newspaper.

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  61. As always, a good article, Mr. Giraldi.

    I wish that you would be on the NSC, not that you would necessarily want to be there.

    As a non-US person, the turning point to complete pessimism about the Trump prexidency in your country was the reaction to the UNSC vote.

    Breitbart News made it obvious that their core interest is to push settler Zionism ever since Trump was elected.

    Sure, they have Milo as a dolly-bird to make it a little more than that at times.

    They have just the same take as, or even worse, on the UNSC resolution that they pretend to be alternative to.

    Obama did not show a spine by abstaining, to show a spine would have to voting in favour. Sure, an improvement, he could have allowed a very similar resolution to have passed, many years ago.

    Two state solution:Israeli invaders (post-1973) to certify the legality of their land holdings, and to compensate the people they drove out in many places.

    I read enough to know that some parts of eastern Jerusalem, there were legal sales, but they were in the inner parts of the city.

    So my two-state solution has serious compensation for illegal theft of land post-1967, and the Israeli ‘settlers’ to be under a Palestinian government, in the same way as Arab citizens of Israel are within Israel.

    I doubt that anybody will adopt this sensible idea, and, even if anyone does, wealthy Israel will not pay, but will demand that their USA colony does.

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  62. Really, the whole thing was something of a win-win; Hussein gave Israel-Firsters a slap in the face, which they desperately needed, and Trump tried to stop him, temporarily succeeded, but ultimately failed.

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  63. @Mike Johnson
    Before Russia is blamed for a false flag, Iran will be and very soon too. The destruction of Iran is the most pivotal prereq to a war against Russia and Putin will have to decide whether to let America exhaust its empire in Iran through war or continue with the stand he took in Syria., which logically would continue into support for Iran.

    You may be right…… hard to say.

    As for Iran, I think the zios got burned bigtime with the explosion of their rocket, days before the anniversary of 9/11, on the launchpad, seemingly by a missile (still not explained) and which absolutely freaked out the Israelis. The rocket carried a nuke “from Iran” designed to strike the US on the 15th anniversary of 9/11, after orbiting Earth for a day or two, just for cover.

    My guess is that the downed TU-154 plane (a new low even for the Chosenites) , the assassination of the Russian ambassador, the Obama threats to Russia over the bogus election meddling, all point to Russia as the latest target of the zionists.

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    • Replies: @Mike Johnson
    Interesting..........any links you can point me to regarding that failed false flag attack?
  64. @Greg Bacon
    Such is life in a nation--America--that is a colony of Apartheid Israel. All that free money and all those 'surplus' weapons they receive each year is a tribute from the occupied nation, the USA, to Apartheid Israel.

    Israel and its American sayanim control the WH, Congress, State, and the FED and Treasury, making sure that Israel is completely in control of us GOYIM.

    But don't worry, watch football, baseball, basketball, soccer, hockey endlessly. Drool and lust after Hollywood starlets that love to show off their bodies. Drink yourself into a stupor and stay stoned. Just don't question or complain about being a subject of Eretz Israel.

    questions:

    Who demands mass immigration into white gentile countries, but stops non-Jew immigration into “that shitty little country”?
    Who runs the Federal Reserve?
    Who runs Wall Street?
    Who owns the US Congress?
    Who owns the White House?
    Who dominates the US Supreme Court?
    Who forces acceptance of the fictitious & impossible ’6M & gas chambers’?
    Who runs the media / entertainment?
    Who runs the music business?
    Who dominates ‘academia’?
    Why is AIPAC the most powerful, dominant lobby, which regularly writes the text of Congressional bills and resolutions?
    Who is it that wants to censor free speech via the “hate speech” canard?
    Who is it that demands we shed the blood of US troops for their interests?
    Who are the real & biggest racists on the planet?

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    • Replies: @MMM
    Wally: Thanks for the genuinely relevant questions.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPpybzN0cLo

    , @Anonymous
    "Who are the real & biggest racists on the planet?"

    Why, the whites of course. Or, was that a trick question?
    , @MMM
    Wally: P.S. -- I admire your persistence regardless the considerable number of "sayanim volunteers" here, paid and unpaid, not to mention the many gatekeepers, the disinformed, etc. A lot is at stake for us all and it takes courage to look and see and speak up for sanity and freedom.
  65. France isn’t our greatest ally. Or a lobbying colossus. And I cut L Pen waaaaaaaay more slack than I do the Israelis, because the Israelis aren’t in an uphill struggle to win back their own country. England is enemy-occupied territory, too, but what’s Israel’s excuse? They’re an ethno-state, they have huge influence over the Jewish diaspora, who in turn have huge influence over American politics, but instead of being a friend to us as they are to Israel, they’re our foremost enemies. This stuff shouldn’t need explaining.

    Bibi distanced himself, the Zionists did precious little but watch the election in silence, when they weren’t NeverTrumping.

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    England is enemy-occupied territory, too
     
    Not really sure what this means. The majority of British people have, by American standards, liberal beliefs. They are occupying themselves. This is what British people think of Trump.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/06/tenth-of-britons-back-donald-trump-for-president-while-half-back-hillary-clinton

    Perhaps you want to punish British people, too, along with more or less the whole world for opposing Trump. I hope not. I'm very fond of Britain.


    but what’s Israel’s excuse?
     
    1) Israel's population is 20% Muslim. Muslim MKs threatened riots if Trump visited.
    2) Israel relies on not alienating pro-peace-process, but not anti-Israel countries, like Britain, the political and elites and populations of which were (and are) wildly hostile to Trump.
    3) Israel is loathed by huge swathes of the world, is the object of more UN resolutions than any other country by a huge margin, has sanctions against it by the EU and cannot afford to alienate people even further by allying with unpopular candidates with no chance of winning (again, in Bibi's judgement).
    4) Bibi was widely considered to have made a fool of himself and endangered Israel's security for publicly backing Romney and was loathe to make the same "mistake" again,
    5) Bibi's comments were about a policy that is not, in fact, law in Israel (Muslims can and do frequently enter the country and Muslims can and do become citizens, for example if they marry an Israeli) and which Trump has, himself, effectively repudiated (I still think it's a good policy, for what it's worth.)

    they’re an ethno-state, they have huge influence over the Jewish diaspora,
     
    The majority of diaspora Jews support a Palestinian state, no matter how many times we tell them it means suicide, because they just know better. Yet you expect us to dictate their domestic political positions too?

    but instead of being a friend to us as they are to Israel, they’re our foremost enemies.
     
    Were this true, you would expect there to be some correlation between the amount of Jews/Jewish power in a country and the amount of anti-White leftism, but no such correlation exists. I don't dispute that Jewish Americans are, for the most part your enemy. Since, nearly half are not even Jewish under Jewish law, I don't even care.

    (the ethno-nationalists who have run Israel forever)

     

    The authors of the Oslo process have admitted that it was part of a plan to turn Israel from a Jewish state into a state with some Jews in it. Saying that "ethno-nationalists" have always run Israel is like saying that anti illegal-immigration patriots have always run America because the Democrats publicly claim to be patriotic and against illegal immigration. Even now, if Hamas would just develop some time preference and "lay down their weapons (wink wink)", Israelis would elect a Leftist suicide government in five minutes flat. What it more, even when the most popular Palestinian faction openly declares their intention to slaughter every one of us, moderate ethno-nationalists can only cobble together a coalition government with the aid of Haredim. We're just not as all-that as the alt-right seem to imagine.

    Treachery from a supposed friend
     

    You haven't pointed to anything that amounts to treachery. Cowardice and poor judgement? Absolutely, but that's no surprise. The reality is that Bibi is not that ethno-nationalist and not that smart. He's stayed at the top of Israeli politics for a very simple reason. If the Left gain power, then the Palestinians will gain the West Bank meaning endless low level wars which will destroy the economy. If the (real) Right gain power then the international community will impose serious sanctions that will destroy the economy. The Bibi strategy is the only viable option, but it's so dishonorable and shameful that's he's the only reasonably talented guy willing to do it and he doesn't do it all that well.
  66. Ethno-nationalists in Western Europe range from nobodies, to minorities. Ethno-nationalists are in charge in Israel, but they still threw us under the bus. They’ve never even crooked their pinky fingers to help us. Treachery from a supposed friend (the ethno-nationalists who have run Israel forever) is far worse than treachery from an enemy (the anti-ethno-nationalists who have run Western Europe forever).

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  67. @Mike Johnson
    Before Russia is blamed for a false flag, Iran will be and very soon too. The destruction of Iran is the most pivotal prereq to a war against Russia and Putin will have to decide whether to let America exhaust its empire in Iran through war or continue with the stand he took in Syria., which logically would continue into support for Iran.

    iran is untouchable right now. china’s new silk road runs through it. the zionists would have to deal with iran, russia and china, all 3 at the same time.

    I don’t see anyway for the zionists to win in that confrontation. it is also the reason why the iran/usa nuclear treaty even exists.

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  68. The most insightful and thorough overview I’ve read on our truly deplorable situation.

    Thank you Philip Giraldi for not pulling any punches — we need truth now more than we ever have.

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  69. There never was going to be a two state solution. What will someday happen is a unified Israel that is not overtly a Jewish racial and religious state as it now is, but one that resembles other modern nations. It’s only a matter time.

    As for settlers, they couldn’t be stopped in North America, either, but those of us with Native American ancestry had to live with it.

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    What ingenious constitutional arrangements do you forsee to allow Jewish fears of being swamped by Arab voters to be overcome?
  70. @DaveE
    You may be right...... hard to say.

    As for Iran, I think the zios got burned bigtime with the explosion of their rocket, days before the anniversary of 9/11, on the launchpad, seemingly by a missile (still not explained) and which absolutely freaked out the Israelis. The rocket carried a nuke "from Iran" designed to strike the US on the 15th anniversary of 9/11, after orbiting Earth for a day or two, just for cover.

    My guess is that the downed TU-154 plane (a new low even for the Chosenites) , the assassination of the Russian ambassador, the Obama threats to Russia over the bogus election meddling, all point to Russia as the latest target of the zionists.

    Interesting……….any links you can point me to regarding that failed false flag attack?

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  71. Friedman describes Jerusalem as “the holy capital of the Jewish people and only the Jewish people.”

    It usually takes a lot for me to lose it, but…

    Screw you, miserable punk!

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    • Replies: @iffen
    Talha,

    Just how many inviolable Holy Cities do "you" people need?
  72. @Wally
    questions:

    Who demands mass immigration into white gentile countries, but stops non-Jew immigration into “that shitty little country”?
    Who runs the Federal Reserve?
    Who runs Wall Street?
    Who owns the US Congress?
    Who owns the White House?
    Who dominates the US Supreme Court?
    Who forces acceptance of the fictitious & impossible ’6M & gas chambers’?
    Who runs the media / entertainment?
    Who runs the music business?
    Who dominates ‘academia’?
    Why is AIPAC the most powerful, dominant lobby, which regularly writes the text of Congressional bills and resolutions?
    Who is it that wants to censor free speech via the “hate speech” canard?
    Who is it that demands we shed the blood of US troops for their interests?
    Who are the real & biggest racists on the planet?

    Wally: Thanks for the genuinely relevant questions.

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  73. @Dan Hayes
    Surprising enough, Kevin MacDonald has a more optimistic outlook on the present situation ("Donald Trump as a Zionist," Occidental Observer, 26 December 2016).

    Surprising enough, Kevin MacDonald has a more optimistic outlook on the present situation (“Donald Trump as a Zionist,” Occidental Observer, 26 December 2016).

    Kevin MacDonald: Politics, after all, is the art of the possible. For us as advocates of a White America, our first priorities should be domestic policy — ending the immigration onslaught first and foremost. If doing that is made easier by supporting Israel, so be it.

    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2016/12/donald-trump-as-zionist/#more-108242

    That is crazy – do blacks and Latinos control congress, the president, foreign policy, domestic policy, the media, education, and soon to be the courts. Get real!

    The very reason we have too many Mexicans is because of Jew policy and politics.

    America needs to fix its Jew control problem.

    Only fools disagree with that.

    Peace — Art

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    @Anonymous

    The obvious ‘solution’ now is to go the way of South Africa: one state for all, with Truth & Reconciliation commissions, a dispossessed and terrorized white minority on the run, the whole works. Should be fun.
     
    Israel should put a tarp over Gaza and run a Zyklon-B hose to it. After that, American soldiers can scorch the earth of Jordan and Syria, and restore the Kingdom of Israel. That's what God wants.

    “Israel should put a tarp over…blah blah”
    Sure, the evil empire and its begger biatch could do that, but…

    “That’s what God wants.”
    LOL!

    What God has indeed promised is to fill hell with the pagan polytheist disbelievers. That would mean everybody who worships human-like beings, and animals (including the calf… ;) )

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  75. @Svigor
    France isn't our greatest ally. Or a lobbying colossus. And I cut L Pen waaaaaaaay more slack than I do the Israelis, because the Israelis aren't in an uphill struggle to win back their own country. England is enemy-occupied territory, too, but what's Israel's excuse? They're an ethno-state, they have huge influence over the Jewish diaspora, who in turn have huge influence over American politics, but instead of being a friend to us as they are to Israel, they're our foremost enemies. This stuff shouldn't need explaining.

    Bibi distanced himself, the Zionists did precious little but watch the election in silence, when they weren't NeverTrumping.

    England is enemy-occupied territory, too

    Not really sure what this means. The majority of British people have, by American standards, liberal beliefs. They are occupying themselves. This is what British people think of Trump.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/06/tenth-of-britons-back-donald-trump-for-president-while-half-back-hillary-clinton

    Perhaps you want to punish British people, too, along with more or less the whole world for opposing Trump. I hope not. I’m very fond of Britain.

    but what’s Israel’s excuse?

    1) Israel’s population is 20% Muslim. Muslim MKs threatened riots if Trump visited.
    2) Israel relies on not alienating pro-peace-process, but not anti-Israel countries, like Britain, the political and elites and populations of which were (and are) wildly hostile to Trump.
    3) Israel is loathed by huge swathes of the world, is the object of more UN resolutions than any other country by a huge margin, has sanctions against it by the EU and cannot afford to alienate people even further by allying with unpopular candidates with no chance of winning (again, in Bibi’s judgement).
    4) Bibi was widely considered to have made a fool of himself and endangered Israel’s security for publicly backing Romney and was loathe to make the same “mistake” again,
    5) Bibi’s comments were about a policy that is not, in fact, law in Israel (Muslims can and do frequently enter the country and Muslims can and do become citizens, for example if they marry an Israeli) and which Trump has, himself, effectively repudiated (I still think it’s a good policy, for what it’s worth.)

    they’re an ethno-state, they have huge influence over the Jewish diaspora,

    The majority of diaspora Jews support a Palestinian state, no matter how many times we tell them it means suicide, because they just know better. Yet you expect us to dictate their domestic political positions too?

    but instead of being a friend to us as they are to Israel, they’re our foremost enemies.

    Were this true, you would expect there to be some correlation between the amount of Jews/Jewish power in a country and the amount of anti-White leftism, but no such correlation exists. I don’t dispute that Jewish Americans are, for the most part your enemy. Since, nearly half are not even Jewish under Jewish law, I don’t even care.

    (the ethno-nationalists who have run Israel forever)

    The authors of the Oslo process have admitted that it was part of a plan to turn Israel from a Jewish state into a state with some Jews in it. Saying that “ethno-nationalists” have always run Israel is like saying that anti illegal-immigration patriots have always run America because the Democrats publicly claim to be patriotic and against illegal immigration. Even now, if Hamas would just develop some time preference and “lay down their weapons (wink wink)”, Israelis would elect a Leftist suicide government in five minutes flat. What it more, even when the most popular Palestinian faction openly declares their intention to slaughter every one of us, moderate ethno-nationalists can only cobble together a coalition government with the aid of Haredim. We’re just not as all-that as the alt-right seem to imagine.

    Treachery from a supposed friend

    You haven’t pointed to anything that amounts to treachery. Cowardice and poor judgement? Absolutely, but that’s no surprise. The reality is that Bibi is not that ethno-nationalist and not that smart. He’s stayed at the top of Israeli politics for a very simple reason. If the Left gain power, then the Palestinians will gain the West Bank meaning endless low level wars which will destroy the economy. If the (real) Right gain power then the international community will impose serious sanctions that will destroy the economy. The Bibi strategy is the only viable option, but it’s so dishonorable and shameful that’s he’s the only reasonably talented guy willing to do it and he doesn’t do it all that well.

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    no matter how many times we tell them it means suicide
     
    What suicide, are you insane? Why don't you just go back where you (or you parents) came from, and let the good people of Palestine return, rebuild their villages, and live in peace as they did for centuries before all this madness started. What's suicidal about that?
  76. @War for Blair Mountain
    I want the same kind of highly racialized National Origins Immigration Policy as Our Friend Israel!!!

    Jared Kushner supports a Jew only National Origins Immigration for Our Friend Israel!!!


    Donald Trump supports a Jew only National Origins Immigration Policy for our Friend Israel!!


    Richard Spencer and Paul Kersey....take note of this....talk about nothing else....

    “I want the same kind of highly racialized National Origins Immigration Policy as Our Friend Israel!!!”

    Yeah, and I want the same thing for Germany.

    Germans let in a million migrants from the ME but make ridiculous, craven arguments based on Second and Third Reich law when it comes to recognizing the descendants of those they pushed out and whose businesses were aryanized in the thirties.

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    • Replies: @War for Blair Mountain
    The Old Farting Lesbian Angela Merkel must be convicted of TREASON!!!....and then dipped in a large vat of car battery acid...sealed...Do it in a popular public square so the German People can observe and enjoy kicks and screams emitted from the walls of the vat....Make it a German Family Holiday......Then kick the US Negro Military out of Deutchland....forever.
  77. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Mike Johnson
    ""The pro-Israelis who produced the presidency of the dysfunctional George Bush to take us to war in Iraq also produced the presidency of narcissist Donald Trump—to take us to war in Iran. Were that not the case, the Trump transition would not be dominated by pro-Israeli right-wingers. Below I show how supporters of the Israeli Right delivered an Electoral College victory for a reality show host who likely remains unaware who is manipulating his self-absorbed needs on behalf of Tel Aviv."


    http://hiddentaxonhumanity.com/uncategorized/mel-rockefeller-commentary/mel-rockefeller-commentary/


    "Pre-staging The Donald

    Pro-Israelis inside the Trump Organization include general counsel Jason Greenblatt (a former settler), bankruptcy attorney David M. Friedman (a two-state solution skeptic), special counsel Michael Cohen and key family members, including son-in-law Kushner and his wife Ivanka Trump who converted to Orthodox Judaism. Israeli settlers were heartened by an interview that Greenblatt, lately described as a Trump “foreign policy adviser,” gave to Israel’s Army Radio after the election in which he said that Trump did not view the settlements as “an obstacle for peace.” That statement led to several celebratory announcements in Israel claiming “the era of the Palestinian state is over.”[8]

    Greenblatt lived in a settlement in Israel. Post-election rumors speculated he could be appointed as Trump’s Middle East envoy though Kushner is also seen as qualified. Kushner is a real estate developer and Greenblatt a real estate attorney. Neither have diplomatic experience.

    Israeli Ambassador Ron Dermer has repeatedly visited the transition team. An American who forfeited his U.S. citizenship to serve Israel, he’s a key Trump intermediary not only for Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu but also Sheldon Adelson, the casino mogul who spends an estimated $50 million per year publishing for free Israel’s most widely read free newspaper (Israel Today). The paper is steadfastly supportive of Netanyahu and the Israeli Right.[9] Dermer arranged for Republican Congressional leaders to secretly invite Netanyahu to deliver a nationally televised speech on March 3, 2016 to a joint meeting of Congress in opposition to then ongoing negotiations on the Iran nuclear accord—that Trump now opposes.[10]

    Six days after that speech, Arkansas Senator Tom Cotton sought to undermine negotiations by releasing a letter to Iranian leaders signed by 47 Republican Senators suggesting that any accord with Iran could be undone by the next president. The role played by Israel and its lobby was apparent. Those skeptical that a 37-year old freshman Senator would take this step on his own initiative noted that Cotton’s Senate campaign received nearly $1 million five months earlier from the Emergency Committee for Israel led by Jewish neoconservative William Kristol, co-founder of the Project for a New American Century established in 1997 to lobby for regime change in Iraq.[11]

    In 2012, Dermer broke with long-standing diplomatic protocol to campaign for Mitt Romney, the Republican presidential candidate, an opponent of the Iran deal and, importantly, a Mormon.[12] Also known as the Lost Tribe of Israel, youth in this uniquely American version of Zionism are routinely recruited for employment in the F.B.I. and our intelligence services, an issue to which I will return.[13]

    By stirring up the settlements issue, the Israel Right may well ignite another war-catalyzing intifada reminiscent of the Ariel Sharon-led march to the Al Aqsa Mosque (Temple Mount) in September 2000. That provocative armed march triggered the Second (Al Aqsa) Intifada one year prior to the war-catalyzing provocation of 9/11. Sharon organized that march after helping ensure the failure of international negotiations on a proposed agreement to designate Jerusalem an international city protected for use by adherents of all three faiths that consider the ancient city sacred.

    Purposefully aggravating the settlements issue is also consistent with the influence wielded within the Republican Party by Mr. Adelson. He and his equally rightwing Israeli wife used their influence to ensure that any mention of the two-state solution was removed from the Republican Party platform. Democrats saw a similar scouring of their platform by the Israeli Right to ensure that the term “occupied territories” was stricken.

    Adding to those provocations, the Knesset took up legislation allowing settlers to gain title to privately owned Palestinian land on which the settlers illegally built. As usual with rightwing pro-Israelis and their deployment of simultaneous provocations, multiple goals are routinely pursued at the same time. Senator Pat Leahy of Vermont summarized how:

    “One of the most effective ways that ISIS and other terrorist groups have attracted recruits is by tarring the United States with Israel’s expanding occupation of the West Bank. This legislation to retroactively legalize illegal settlements will be welcomed by those murderous groups as further evidence that America’s closest ally in the region is bent on destroying a peaceful solution, including the possibility of a Palestinian state.”[14]"

    “…by those murderous groups…”
    In *comparison* to the evil empire and its beggar soulless master, these groups you talk of, are positively saintly :D

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  78. @Talha

    Friedman describes Jerusalem as “the holy capital of the Jewish people and only the Jewish people.”
     
    It usually takes a lot for me to lose it, but...

    Screw you, miserable punk!

    Talha,

    Just how many inviolable Holy Cities do “you” people need?

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    Hey iffen,

    I was upset about his "only" remark. If his remarks insinuate that they plan to eventually drive out Muslims from the city so that is it is for "only the Jewish people" - then that is utterly contemptible. Especially given the history:
    "Playing to messianic expectations rampant among 16th-century Jews, Sultan Süleyman the Magnificent invites Jewish refugees from the Spanish expulsion to settle in his realm. Jerusalem, already an established center of mystics, becomes a magnet for pious Jewish settlers who flock here in greater numbers for the first time since antiquity."
    http://www.bu.edu/mzank/Jerusalem/p/period6-3.htm

    Peace.

  79. @Lot
    It is funny how Unz.com's large stable of Israel/Jew haters just can't decide if Trump is on their side or not. (I think Giraldi is right, he's not, and Saker is wrong.)

    What Giraldi does not understand is that patriotic white people do not find it acceptable that the Holy Land be occupied by Muslim barbarians. It really is just that simple. It was the case 1000 years ago, and is still the case now.

    Israel is America's Crusader Kingdom, and Bibi is white America's loyal viceroy.

    on land stolen from Palestinians
     
    It is Israel's by right of conquest.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_conquest

    And if you don't believe in that right, I first urge to you deed your house over to the nearest Indian tribe, and second explain how the various Arabs who call themselves "Palestinians" got that land in the first place.

    “…acceptable that the Holy Land be occupied by Muslim barbarians…”

    So says either a *human* worshipper or a descendent of *calf* worshippers, who have committed far greater murderous barbarity that us Muslim “barbarians.” H3ll will be a most appropriate place for likes of you, if you actually believed in such a thing.

    Go usurp all you want, glorify yourselves all you want, for this fleeting moment in this world, for you will utter losers in His court.

    As for us, worshippers of the One and Only, the Infinite, the *Unique*, the Unseen, we praise and glorify Him daily for choosing us to be Muslim “barbarians.”

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  80. @Skeptikal
    "I want the same kind of highly racialized National Origins Immigration Policy as Our Friend Israel!!!"

    Yeah, and I want the same thing for Germany.

    Germans let in a million migrants from the ME but make ridiculous, craven arguments based on Second and Third Reich law when it comes to recognizing the descendants of those they pushed out and whose businesses were aryanized in the thirties.

    The Old Farting Lesbian Angela Merkel must be convicted of TREASON!!!….and then dipped in a large vat of car battery acid…sealed…Do it in a popular public square so the German People can observe and enjoy kicks and screams emitted from the walls of the vat….Make it a German Family Holiday……Then kick the US Negro Military out of Deutchland….forever.

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    • Replies: @Alden
    The vat should be made of glass so all can see her torment
  81. Goddamn it.

    Well… it was certainly worth a try. Plan A didn’t work. Damn you Kushner. :(

    I pray it isn’t but just in case, begin the sharpening of the pitchforks and the oiling of the torches cuz it may be time for Plan B. ;)

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    @Anon
    "Great again"? Israel has always been great. Two words: high IQ.

    High IQ with Zero morality.

    What would you understand about that.

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  83. @iffen
    Talha,

    Just how many inviolable Holy Cities do "you" people need?

    Hey iffen,

    I was upset about his “only” remark. If his remarks insinuate that they plan to eventually drive out Muslims from the city so that is it is for “only the Jewish people” – then that is utterly contemptible. Especially given the history:
    “Playing to messianic expectations rampant among 16th-century Jews, Sultan Süleyman the Magnificent invites Jewish refugees from the Spanish expulsion to settle in his realm. Jerusalem, already an established center of mystics, becomes a magnet for pious Jewish settlers who flock here in greater numbers for the first time since antiquity.”

    http://www.bu.edu/mzank/Jerusalem/p/period6-3.htm

    Peace.

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    • Replies: @Karl
    hey Talha, how about we make a fair compromise.... a religion gets to declare a place to be its "Holy City", if the religion is indigenous to that place?

    YHWH-cult and Jesus-cult are indigenous to Eretz Israel. We all agree on that

    Mohammed-cult is indigenous to..... Saudi Arabia.

    You can keep Mecca.
    , @iffen
    for “only the Jewish people”

    They would tread lightly in this regard. It is inconceivable that they would antagonize and cut themselves off from evangelical Christians. I have many contacts in that community and will put in a good word for you and your peeps concerning access to the Holy Sites if things get out of hand.

    , @KenH

    Süleyman the Magnificent invites Jewish refugees from the Spanish expulsion to settle in his realm. Jerusalem
     
    So Suleiman the Mag was a lover and not a fighter? IMO, he had an ulterior motive since Jews possessed wealth, education and influence in Europe which could benefit the Ottoman Empire. I doubt it was because he was committed to religious tolerance and pluralism.

    Spanish Jewish expellees were also welcomed by other Christian states like England, France, and Holland, so it wasn't as if Christian Europe slammed the door shut on Jews. Only Spain did and it appears with pretty good reason depending on the historical account(s) once chooses to believe.

    Some Muslims, blaming Jews for their own declining fortunes, committed atrocities against those making their journey to the coastal areas where ships would take them to other Christian states or places controlled by the Ottoman Empire. The Spanish Christians did little to protect them.
    , @Gabriel M
    Reality.

    1948-1967. During the Jordanian occupation of East Jerusalem, all Jewish residents were expelled, Jewish access to holy sites was forbidden, all synagogues were destroyed and their stones were used for public latrines.

    1967- Present. After the liberation of the undivided capital of the Jewish people. Muslims live in East Jerusalem, they retain ownership of and access to all their holy sites, freedom of religion of all is respected, with the exception of Jews who are not allowed to pray on the temple mount, in violation of the Israeli constitution. By way of thankyou for the undeserved magnanimity of the Israeli government, Jerusalem's Muslims use their "holy" Al Aqsa to hold frequent riots, sometimes throwing Molotov cocktails into the Western Wall plaza.

    But biting the hand that feeds you whilst lying about it is just what Muslims do, always and everywhere.
  84. @Gabriel M

    England is enemy-occupied territory, too
     
    Not really sure what this means. The majority of British people have, by American standards, liberal beliefs. They are occupying themselves. This is what British people think of Trump.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/06/tenth-of-britons-back-donald-trump-for-president-while-half-back-hillary-clinton

    Perhaps you want to punish British people, too, along with more or less the whole world for opposing Trump. I hope not. I'm very fond of Britain.


    but what’s Israel’s excuse?
     
    1) Israel's population is 20% Muslim. Muslim MKs threatened riots if Trump visited.
    2) Israel relies on not alienating pro-peace-process, but not anti-Israel countries, like Britain, the political and elites and populations of which were (and are) wildly hostile to Trump.
    3) Israel is loathed by huge swathes of the world, is the object of more UN resolutions than any other country by a huge margin, has sanctions against it by the EU and cannot afford to alienate people even further by allying with unpopular candidates with no chance of winning (again, in Bibi's judgement).
    4) Bibi was widely considered to have made a fool of himself and endangered Israel's security for publicly backing Romney and was loathe to make the same "mistake" again,
    5) Bibi's comments were about a policy that is not, in fact, law in Israel (Muslims can and do frequently enter the country and Muslims can and do become citizens, for example if they marry an Israeli) and which Trump has, himself, effectively repudiated (I still think it's a good policy, for what it's worth.)

    they’re an ethno-state, they have huge influence over the Jewish diaspora,
     
    The majority of diaspora Jews support a Palestinian state, no matter how many times we tell them it means suicide, because they just know better. Yet you expect us to dictate their domestic political positions too?

    but instead of being a friend to us as they are to Israel, they’re our foremost enemies.
     
    Were this true, you would expect there to be some correlation between the amount of Jews/Jewish power in a country and the amount of anti-White leftism, but no such correlation exists. I don't dispute that Jewish Americans are, for the most part your enemy. Since, nearly half are not even Jewish under Jewish law, I don't even care.

    (the ethno-nationalists who have run Israel forever)

     

    The authors of the Oslo process have admitted that it was part of a plan to turn Israel from a Jewish state into a state with some Jews in it. Saying that "ethno-nationalists" have always run Israel is like saying that anti illegal-immigration patriots have always run America because the Democrats publicly claim to be patriotic and against illegal immigration. Even now, if Hamas would just develop some time preference and "lay down their weapons (wink wink)", Israelis would elect a Leftist suicide government in five minutes flat. What it more, even when the most popular Palestinian faction openly declares their intention to slaughter every one of us, moderate ethno-nationalists can only cobble together a coalition government with the aid of Haredim. We're just not as all-that as the alt-right seem to imagine.

    Treachery from a supposed friend
     

    You haven't pointed to anything that amounts to treachery. Cowardice and poor judgement? Absolutely, but that's no surprise. The reality is that Bibi is not that ethno-nationalist and not that smart. He's stayed at the top of Israeli politics for a very simple reason. If the Left gain power, then the Palestinians will gain the West Bank meaning endless low level wars which will destroy the economy. If the (real) Right gain power then the international community will impose serious sanctions that will destroy the economy. The Bibi strategy is the only viable option, but it's so dishonorable and shameful that's he's the only reasonably talented guy willing to do it and he doesn't do it all that well.

    no matter how many times we tell them it means suicide

    What suicide, are you insane? Why don’t you just go back where you (or you parents) came from, and let the good people of Palestine return, rebuild their villages, and live in peace as they did for centuries before all this madness started. What’s suicidal about that?

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    I sometimes wonder if you are trolling as you don't seem to be stupid. But the idea of the "people of Palestine" returning (sic - you aren't referring in reality to many people who were their before) to "rebuild their villages" is beyond ludicrous. Who wants to live in a village these days? Villlages built again where now there is a factory or a freeway? What do you do for employment or home sites when your family has multiplied by five or ten times in number? As for the peaceful past!!
    , @MMM
    Well said!
  85. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Wally
    questions:

    Who demands mass immigration into white gentile countries, but stops non-Jew immigration into “that shitty little country”?
    Who runs the Federal Reserve?
    Who runs Wall Street?
    Who owns the US Congress?
    Who owns the White House?
    Who dominates the US Supreme Court?
    Who forces acceptance of the fictitious & impossible ’6M & gas chambers’?
    Who runs the media / entertainment?
    Who runs the music business?
    Who dominates ‘academia’?
    Why is AIPAC the most powerful, dominant lobby, which regularly writes the text of Congressional bills and resolutions?
    Who is it that wants to censor free speech via the “hate speech” canard?
    Who is it that demands we shed the blood of US troops for their interests?
    Who are the real & biggest racists on the planet?

    “Who are the real & biggest racists on the planet?”

    Why, the whites of course. Or, was that a trick question?

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  86. @LarryS
    When will Israel define its border? Is it Genesis 15:18 from the river in Egypt to the Euphrates river in Iraq? Didn't God make His covenant conditional on the obedience of Abraham's offspring? Deuteronomy 28. Does the modern, secular state called Israel have a living prophet telling the Jews to take the land away from the people living there? The 10 tribes of the Kingdom of Israel were conquered and assimilated in 722 BC leaving the southern Kingdom of Judah (and the tribe of Benjamin). They were conquered in 586 BC. Later Judeans (Jews) returned to Judea. The land today should rightfully be called Judea, not Israel, and of course Jews should be allowed to live there. But I disagree that it should be a solely Jewish state. Also, I do not believe that the modern, secular state called Israel has anything to do with the Second Coming of Christ. Modern Israel was created by the UN and is not the Israel of the Bible.

    > When will Israel define its border?

    how long was the USA in existence when it completed its “land grab” from the Spanish-American War?

    How long was Russia in existence when it re-annexed Crimea?

    “Two State Solution” – what is that, the revival of the Confederate States of America?

    PS: whenever you see a tail wag a dog, you know that you’re looking a very strong tail…. or a very weak dog. What’s the last three things that Philip Giraldi did to strengthen the footing of the weak dog?

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    • Replies: @War for Blair Mountain
    Why should Native Born White American Christians continue to subsidize Greater Israel...and send off their teenage sons to die as canon fodder for Greater Israel?
    , @E. A. Costa
    Fish rot from the head.
  87. @Talha
    Hey iffen,

    I was upset about his "only" remark. If his remarks insinuate that they plan to eventually drive out Muslims from the city so that is it is for "only the Jewish people" - then that is utterly contemptible. Especially given the history:
    "Playing to messianic expectations rampant among 16th-century Jews, Sultan Süleyman the Magnificent invites Jewish refugees from the Spanish expulsion to settle in his realm. Jerusalem, already an established center of mystics, becomes a magnet for pious Jewish settlers who flock here in greater numbers for the first time since antiquity."
    http://www.bu.edu/mzank/Jerusalem/p/period6-3.htm

    Peace.

    hey Talha, how about we make a fair compromise…. a religion gets to declare a place to be its “Holy City”, if the religion is indigenous to that place?

    YHWH-cult and Jesus-cult are indigenous to Eretz Israel. We all agree on that

    Mohammed-cult is indigenous to….. Saudi Arabia.

    You can keep Mecca.

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    • Replies: @Talha
    Hey Karl,

    a religion gets to declare a place to be its “Holy City”, if the religion is indigenous to that place?
     
    Makes no difference to us; the Biblical prophets are ours too and we claim them as such.

    This is not about belief because there is no way to argue about that; Buddhists can declare it to be a Holy City for all we care. We can simply show facts that, when Muslims had control of that city, they allowed Jews to reside there - often to the consternation of Christian voices.

    There is no way the Muslim world will stand by if Israelis intend to empty out Jerusalem of its Muslim population (assuming I read the man's words right). Not after spilling blood and pitting steel for nearly 14 centuries against Byzantines, Latins, Mongols, French, etc. for sovereignty.

    Right now - everyone should try to stick to the UN plan for the city and not overstep any bounds in an already volatile situation.

    Peace.
    , @NoseytheDuke
    Abraham or Avram came from Sumer. The Elohim were the gods of the lands now known as Israel/Palestine. Certainly, whatever one chooses to call the Creator it is surely the same one for all of us and for every living thing.

    Stories about gods saying this and that regarding land or commandments are just the result of con tricks played on primitive, unsophisticated fools choosing to believe in an anthropomorphic God. That some people still believe and are still around to comment on The Unz Review is a sad commentary on our species.
    , @5371
    [YHWH-cult and Jesus-cult are indigenous to Eretz Israel. We all agree on that]

    No we don't.
  88. I’ll be shocked if the US does not go to war with Iran under Trump, but better war with Iran than war with Russia. The US Empire will have its war with somebody, so let it be with people who really can’t damage the US physically. I am curious to see if Trump deals with the Salafist supporters like Saudi Arabia and Qatar. The only thing Trump’s ambassador appointment did was to make the official policy visible to all. There is no faux liberal nonsense out there that can hide the emperor’s nakedness now. BDS is the only way to peacefully end the Israeli occupation. America’s unconditional support for Israel has already done damage to American interest in the Middle East. I guess even the idiots among the Muslim population can see what the true policy of the US and Israel has always been concerning the Palestinians now thanks to Trump. The appointment is a stroke of genius if what I read is correct and Friedman is to the right of Netanyahu. It changed nothing but the perception. Congress will fight the appointment I bet in order to keep the lie alive.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    That just delayed the war with Russia though.

    People here seem to be thrilled that Trump is bff with Putin. It is just a ruse. The game is to weaken China by turning Russia against China and to topple Iran. Then the US will use its superior military to take down China.

    Once China is dealt with, the west will focus on economically destroying Russia. Russia cannot be controlled economically with China still standing, but without China the Russians can be starved into submission.

    If you wonder why Russia is always a target no matter what, you need to read up on the Heartland and Mackinder. Russia is always the number 1 target.
  89. Not really sure what this means.

    I’m not surprised. I can’t play the obtuse role, so I’ll just skip your comment instead.

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    • Replies: @Gabriel M
    Reading your comments, it often seems like there's a reasonable person struggling to get out underneath a bitter liar who resorts to ludicrous Procrustean logic chopping whenever pressed to defend his false claims.
  90. “Great again”? Israel has always been great. Two words: high IQ.

    Two more words: Mere quackery.

    Who invented the concept, and who promoted it, and who profits from administering these so called “intelligence” tests?

    They have about as much worth as the laughable Nobel prizes, Pulitzer prizes, and what not.

    Just another manifestation of the endless self preening of the self promoted racially superior, self obsessed ones.

    Only a gull would believe otherwise. Bunch of birdbrains, in fact.

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    At the risk of taking seriously mere trolling about psychometrics and its history allow me to ask what Nobel Prizes you are referring to in the same breath as Pulitzer Prizes as "laughable".

    Presumably the separately governed Peace Prizes? Possibly the late added Economics Nobels? Literature? But I don't suppose you would want to dismiss the positive significance to hard science and medicine of the work which was honoured by about 98/99 per cent of the hard science Nobels awarded.
    , @Carroll Price

    Who invented the concept, and who promoted it, and who profits from administering these so called “intelligence” tests?
     
    Answer: The same people who, during the process of compiling the Old and New Testaments, appointed themselves the Chosen Ones, the rightful owners of Palestine, plus assigned themselves the designated rulers of all nations of the earth. It's all right there in black and white. Read it in your spare time.
  91. @eggheadshadhisnumber
    Dear trolls and assailants,

    Congratulations, you have won. Insults and pejoratives are one thing, intimidation and assaults are another. Other people may fancy violence and blackjacks, I have no taste for confrontation. In a few hours, you can raise your champagne flutes and celebrate my passing. Cyber-stalking laws are there for a reason. Parents, please don’t let this happen to your children, it turns life into a living hell.

    - Allie

    Can someone explain this? I haven’t a clue what he or she is talking about.

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    • Replies: @Talha
    I am also quite confused - and going to the archive of this poster reveals no clues...

    I can only ask:
    "Allie, are you OK? Are you OK, Allie?"

    Hopefully she has not been hit by a smooth criminal.

    Peace.
    , @iffen
    Apparently a commenter with the handle vintueil and egghead know each other. One doxed the other, I forget which, it doesn't have anything to do with anything.
    , @Sam Shama
    He is a Jewish rights warrior [or worrier] of sorts, decent enough chap I reckon; other than carrying a virulent hatred for those he considers antijewish. I had exchanged words with him on this forum.

    This post is weird, to say the least, it suggests someone stalked and physically accosted him, with serious consequences. The mention of his own passing is suggestive of what Ron Unz had hinted at in those past exchanges - mental illness.

    e.g., you might care to follow the thread on this one:

    http://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/what-do-jennifer-rubin-and-brett-stephens-have-against-nativism-oh-wait/?highlight=Sobran#comment-1586859

  92. @Karl
    hey Talha, how about we make a fair compromise.... a religion gets to declare a place to be its "Holy City", if the religion is indigenous to that place?

    YHWH-cult and Jesus-cult are indigenous to Eretz Israel. We all agree on that

    Mohammed-cult is indigenous to..... Saudi Arabia.

    You can keep Mecca.

    Hey Karl,

    a religion gets to declare a place to be its “Holy City”, if the religion is indigenous to that place?

    Makes no difference to us; the Biblical prophets are ours too and we claim them as such.

    This is not about belief because there is no way to argue about that; Buddhists can declare it to be a Holy City for all we care. We can simply show facts that, when Muslims had control of that city, they allowed Jews to reside there – often to the consternation of Christian voices.

    There is no way the Muslim world will stand by if Israelis intend to empty out Jerusalem of its Muslim population (assuming I read the man’s words right). Not after spilling blood and pitting steel for nearly 14 centuries against Byzantines, Latins, Mongols, French, etc. for sovereignty.

    Right now – everyone should try to stick to the UN plan for the city and not overstep any bounds in an already volatile situation.

    Peace.

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    • Replies: @Karl
    > There is no way the Muslim world will stand by if Israelis intend to


    based on the EVIDENCE, what the "Muslim world" wants, is to turn Europe into the eastern-most suburb of Karachi
  93. @Fran Macadam
    There never was going to be a two state solution. What will someday happen is a unified Israel that is not overtly a Jewish racial and religious state as it now is, but one that resembles other modern nations. It's only a matter time.

    As for settlers, they couldn't be stopped in North America, either, but those of us with Native American ancestry had to live with it.

    What ingenious constitutional arrangements do you forsee to allow Jewish fears of being swamped by Arab voters to be overcome?

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    • Replies: @Art
    What ingenious constitutional arrangements do you forsee to allow Jewish fears of being swamped by Arab voters to be overcome?

    Good people - people of good will can always find a way to work things out.

    The problem is that the Jews want it all - they do not want a solution.

    It is clear from all the Jew comments - that is so.

    Peace --- Art
  94. @Karl
    > When will Israel define its border?

    how long was the USA in existence when it completed its "land grab" from the Spanish-American War?


    How long was Russia in existence when it re-annexed Crimea?


    "Two State Solution" - what is that, the revival of the Confederate States of America?


    PS: whenever you see a tail wag a dog, you know that you're looking a very strong tail.... or a very weak dog. What's the last three things that Philip Giraldi did to strengthen the footing of the weak dog?

    Why should Native Born White American Christians continue to subsidize Greater Israel…and send off their teenage sons to die as canon fodder for Greater Israel?

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    • Replies: @Karl
    > continue to subsidize Greater Israel…

    if that money gets cut off.... fine with me, as long as you ALSO stop giving money & guns to our neighbors. Use the money to pay down your debt. History teaches us that merely paying of 1% of a debt can turn things around, a LOT.

    > and send off their teenage sons to die as canon fodder for Greater Israel?

    one of the favorite themes here. We didn't directly gain anything from your Iraq or Afghanistan adventures. It is possible to posit second-order and third-order effects that were helpful to us..... however comma, i don't think anyone can accurately measure those.

    We get a LOT more results from dealing with those sorts of people ourselves, quietly. Consider the cases of two Muslim countries: Azerbaijan & Khazakhstan. Cureently de-facto aligned with us..... That was OUR foreign ministry, every step of the way.

    By the way Talha, we have PLENTY of Muslims in the IDF and EVEN MORE in the Border Police. The only point of contention is YOUR refusal to stop, stopping Jews from praying on the Temple Mount. Even just closing your eyes and standing still up there, gets a Jew arrested by the Muslim Police.

    There wasn't one American soldier's downrange deployment which cut even ONE DAY off the reserve duty Israelis still need to do to man checkpoints. Our problem is the Palestinians. Whatever happens in Anbar province or Kandahar province doesn't change the daily reality of needing to put these Palestinians through metal-detectors to find knives. It just doesn't.
  95. @Wally
    questions:

    Who demands mass immigration into white gentile countries, but stops non-Jew immigration into “that shitty little country”?
    Who runs the Federal Reserve?
    Who runs Wall Street?
    Who owns the US Congress?
    Who owns the White House?
    Who dominates the US Supreme Court?
    Who forces acceptance of the fictitious & impossible ’6M & gas chambers’?
    Who runs the media / entertainment?
    Who runs the music business?
    Who dominates ‘academia’?
    Why is AIPAC the most powerful, dominant lobby, which regularly writes the text of Congressional bills and resolutions?
    Who is it that wants to censor free speech via the “hate speech” canard?
    Who is it that demands we shed the blood of US troops for their interests?
    Who are the real & biggest racists on the planet?

    Wally: P.S. — I admire your persistence regardless the considerable number of “sayanim volunteers” here, paid and unpaid, not to mention the many gatekeepers, the disinformed, etc. A lot is at stake for us all and it takes courage to look and see and speak up for sanity and freedom.

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  96. Lord,
    does israel conquer america continent? And all the world is blaming america continent (of huge power posture) now?

    Lord,
    should america continent hug the huge of better temporary influences of israelis?

    Lord,
    we believe in YOU .. clearly unbelieve in any arsenal that hurt every human rights here and there

    Lord,
    does israel do conquer america continent of freedom?

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  97. @Mao Cheng Ji

    no matter how many times we tell them it means suicide
     
    What suicide, are you insane? Why don't you just go back where you (or you parents) came from, and let the good people of Palestine return, rebuild their villages, and live in peace as they did for centuries before all this madness started. What's suicidal about that?

    I sometimes wonder if you are trolling as you don’t seem to be stupid. But the idea of the “people of Palestine” returning (sic – you aren’t referring in reality to many people who were their before) to “rebuild their villages” is beyond ludicrous. Who wants to live in a village these days? Villlages built again where now there is a factory or a freeway? What do you do for employment or home sites when your family has multiplied by five or ten times in number? As for the peaceful past!!

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    • Replies: @E. A. Costa
    "But the idea of the “people of Palestine” returning (sic – you aren’t referring in reality to many people who were their before) to “rebuild their villages” is beyond ludicrous. Who wants to live in a village these days? Villlages built again where now there is a factory or a freeway? What do you do for employment or home sites when your family has multiplied by five or ten times in number? As for the peaceful past!!"

    Especially when the Israelis are cutting down and burning all their olive trees. Which by the way is forbidden by the Old Testament as a gross sin.

    You really aren't familiar with peasant farmers, are you? Or olive trees for that matter. They take twenty years to mature and bear fruit for long centuries.

    But turn the question around--why would the early Zionists want to return to Israel after more than a thousand years to refound and rebuild an ersatz"Israel" in the image of a Neo-Hegelian heresy, especially since many of them were atheists or agnostics?

    Also why would anyone want to live the Holy Land of ticky tacky apartments, freeways, walls and so forth? Kibbutz perhaps one can understand, farming like the Palestinian peasants, right? Netanyahuesque real estate speculators' pigeon holes?

    , @Mao Cheng Ji

    Who wants to live in a village these days?
     
    Whoa, what a way to miss the point. For all I care, they can build a super-futuristic metropolis, if they prefer; the point is that the region's native people should be in control of their land; not exactly a novel or controversial concept.

    It's just that over 400 Palestinian villages have been depopulated and about a hundred of them destroyed by European settler-colonists since 1948...

  98. I never understood why “religious” Jews object to Palestinians co-habiting a common ancestral land; nor Hamas/Pals declaring their intention to throw every Jew into the sea.

    I think Trump looks at reality, the one which Russia and many nations in the ME have bugun to embrace: Israel is to be the sovereign nation which extends citizenship to Palestinians in the WB. She has the wherewithals to execute this successfully. Pals in turn must pledge fealty to the state and work towards a better shared future. Those that wish not to, are free to leave with fair compensation.

    Jews worried about the demographic future ought to do their bit, as in fact they have, rather busily it seems, with recent Jewish birth rates exceeding Pal rates.

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    • Replies: @E. A. Costa
    Señor Trump is P. T. Barnum redivivus. He has never looked at reality in his life. What he sees is his name writ all over the landscape, inlaid with gold, classy looking broads, hotels, casinos and so forth. Has Señor Netanyahu promised him a high rise hotel casino overlooking the wall?
    , @E. A. Costa
    "Jews worried about the demographic future ought to do their bit, as in fact they have, rather busily it seems, with recent Jewish birth rates exceeding Pal rates."

    Interestingly enough, among the highest birth rates in Israel are Haredi Jews. One problem they range from indifferent to Zionism and Latter Day Israel to outright hostile to both:

    "Given the current birth rate of about six children per Haredi mother, some predict they will make up 25% of the population within a few decades. And a significant proportion of these are somewhere on a scale from indifferent to downright hostile to the state of Israel, and refuse to serve in its army. Last year a uniformed IDF officer was pelted with stones, eggs and nappies in Mea Shearim."

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2016/may/12/for-haredi-jews-secular-zionism-remains-a-religious-heresy

    So after the Palestinians, who's next on the Netanyahu Zionist Imperial hit list?

    , @Miro23

    Israel is to be the sovereign nation which extends citizenship to Palestinians in the WB. She has the wherewithal to execute this successfully. Pals in turn must pledge fealty to the state and work towards a better shared future. Those that wish not to, are free to leave with fair compensation.
     
    Here's the German "Lebensraum" version:

    Germany is to be the sovereign nation which extends citizenship to Russians and Ukrainians in the Eastern Territories. She has the wherewithal to execute this successfully. Ethnic Russians and Ukrainians in turn must pledge fealty to the German state and work towards a better shared future. Those that wish not to, are free to leave with fair compensation.

    Except that 1) It was Russian land to start with 2) It was taken by force 3) Ethnic Germans will form a new upper class and have economic priority 4) Many Russians and Ukrainians will be obliged to leave - and without compensation.
  99. @Talha
    Hey iffen,

    I was upset about his "only" remark. If his remarks insinuate that they plan to eventually drive out Muslims from the city so that is it is for "only the Jewish people" - then that is utterly contemptible. Especially given the history:
    "Playing to messianic expectations rampant among 16th-century Jews, Sultan Süleyman the Magnificent invites Jewish refugees from the Spanish expulsion to settle in his realm. Jerusalem, already an established center of mystics, becomes a magnet for pious Jewish settlers who flock here in greater numbers for the first time since antiquity."
    http://www.bu.edu/mzank/Jerusalem/p/period6-3.htm

    Peace.

    for “only the Jewish people”

    They would tread lightly in this regard. It is inconceivable that they would antagonize and cut themselves off from evangelical Christians. I have many contacts in that community and will put in a good word for you and your peeps concerning access to the Holy Sites if things get out of hand.

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  100. @Wizard of Oz
    Can someone explain this? I haven't a clue what he or she is talking about.

    I am also quite confused – and going to the archive of this poster reveals no clues…

    I can only ask:
    “Allie, are you OK? Are you OK, Allie?”

    Hopefully she has not been hit by a smooth criminal.

    Peace.

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    • Replies: @Qasim
    I am just speculating, but that commenter egregiously doxxed somebody else on this site a few months ago, he divulged his name, where he worked, he even posted selfies of the guy; it was unbelievably contemptuous. Maybe that guy, or some of his friends, or people who agree with his views (the guy who was doxxed was a white-nationalist type) sought out revenge??
    , @jacques sheete

    I am also quite confused - and going to the archive of this poster reveals no clues...

     

    I also went to comment archives looking for clues but found none.
  101. @jacques sheete

    “Great again”? Israel has always been great. Two words: high IQ.
     
    Two more words: Mere quackery.

    Who invented the concept, and who promoted it, and who profits from administering these so called "intelligence" tests?

    They have about as much worth as the laughable Nobel prizes, Pulitzer prizes, and what not.

    Just another manifestation of the endless self preening of the self promoted racially superior, self obsessed ones.

    Only a gull would believe otherwise. Bunch of birdbrains, in fact.

    At the risk of taking seriously mere trolling about psychometrics and its history allow me to ask what Nobel Prizes you are referring to in the same breath as Pulitzer Prizes as “laughable”.

    Presumably the separately governed Peace Prizes? Possibly the late added Economics Nobels? Literature? But I don’t suppose you would want to dismiss the positive significance to hard science and medicine of the work which was honoured by about 98/99 per cent of the hard science Nobels awarded.

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    • Replies: @jacques sheete
    And you have the gall to suggest trolling...
    , @E. A. Costa
    The Swedish Academy has an agenda even for the so-called "hard sciences" and medicine.

    Did Henry Judah Heimlich get or even ever get seriously considered for a Nobel Prize in medicine, which he richly deserved?

    Why not then? Answer that question even roughly according to reality and you will have uncovered some aspects of same agenda.

  102. @Mao Cheng Ji

    no matter how many times we tell them it means suicide
     
    What suicide, are you insane? Why don't you just go back where you (or you parents) came from, and let the good people of Palestine return, rebuild their villages, and live in peace as they did for centuries before all this madness started. What's suicidal about that?

    Well said!

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  103. OBAMA’S CHRISTMAS EVE ASSAULT ON FIRST AMENDMENT

    The Countering Disinformation and Propaganda Act

    The attack on our freedom of speech has begun. What do you bet that criticizing Israel gets labeled ‘Disinformation and Propaganda’? Not to mention any reporting on Syria or Ukraine that questions official US line.

    http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/12/26/under-cover-christmas-obama-establishes-controversial-anti-propaganda-agency

    OBAMA GUILTY OF FELONY OR TREASON
    Obama should be prosecuted for providing aid to terrorists.

    Looks like Obama is setting booby-traps for P.E. Trump. But shouldn’t Obama be held accountable for his crimes? Since 2012 at least (i.e. his entire second term) Obama has been training and funding groups allied with terrorists. That is a crime. Any regular citizen would be prosecuted for providing aid to terrorists. The only question: felony or treason?

    SENATE AND CONGRESS GUILTY OF AIDING AND ABETTING, OR OF MISPRISION, WHICH IS ALSO A FELONY

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    • Replies: @alexander
    Who knows Robin,

    Perhaps all the oligarchs who own the big media conglomerates as well as others, will all find themselves in orange jumpsuits and deposited in Guantanamo Bay for having defrauded the American people into the catastrophic Iraq war ?.

    The citizenry of our nation were thoroughly conned out of trillions (upon trillions) of our tax dollars , to initiate a war of aggression and murder countless of innocent people who never attacked us on 9-11 ...and never intended to .

    Why is that okay ?

    Why wouldn't President Trump, who in his own words stated "they lied us into the Iraq war" make this a top priority of his administration ?

    Is there one American , anywhere, who would complain if he did ?

    Is there really one decent American citizen, you can find anywhere in our country, who enjoys being defrauded out of his or her dough to go murder tons of people who never did anything to anybody ?

    I don't think so....do you ?

    Certainly the combined assets of these deceitful oligarchs, clawed back to our nations balance sheet (where it rightfully belongs) would go a long way toward funding the trillion dollar infrastructure projects President Trump wishes to get off the ground.

    Wouldn't they ?

    Perhaps President Obama felt we should look forward and not back, but that was before the full realization of this massive, deceitful "war fraud"(as well as its outrageous costs) had crystallized in the minds of most Americans ....besides, the last time I checked there is no statute of limitations on murder...Is there ?

    If all the pretexts for the Iraq war were contrived and phony from the get-go (and it seems quite clear now , that they were).... why , pray tell, should the burden of the costs of that war be born on the backs of the 300 million Americans who were lied into it ?....Shouldn't the liars...the "war propagandists" bear the burden ?

    Wouldn't passing a law against "War Fraud" and "War Propaganda" be a fine thing, especially if its made retroactive to 2002 ?

    How else will they ever learn that "lying" us into "war" is NOT okay ?

    How else will they learn that lesson ?
  104. @Wizard of Oz
    Can someone explain this? I haven't a clue what he or she is talking about.

    Apparently a commenter with the handle vintueil and egghead know each other. One doxed the other, I forget which, it doesn’t have anything to do with anything.

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    • Replies: @5371
    It ought not to be forgotten that egghead was the one who doxxed vinteuil.
  105. @nsa
    Most of us are tired of the obnoxious jooies and their relentlessly self-serving scheming, both domestic and foreign. If they insist on murdering and pillaging the idiot arabs.......great. Just do it on their own nickel with their own crappy little army No problem......just leave the rest of us out of it.

    No way are “the rest of us” going to be left out of it. We’re hosts — parasites need those; too few of we-the-hosts seem to realize we don’t need our blood drained to the last drop though. And this has been going on for a very long time (google “Tacitus and the Jews”). “When will we ever learn?” in enough numbers to make a difference? Maybe we won’t.

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  106. Why is Israel so evil?

    But at least we’ll finally get a war with Iran. Iran is a great nation with a great history (real history). Their people are proud of their country. So they’ll fight for it! Not like Saddams boys.

    Who knows maybe even Israel will launch an attack on Hezbollah (though I doubt it).

    The DoD opened combat positions to women expanding its recruitment pool for the eventual occupation force needed for Iran.

    Think of all the movies and games that can be sold based on a new war with Iran in Western markets.

    It’s gonna be great.

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  107. @Wizard of Oz
    Can someone explain this? I haven't a clue what he or she is talking about.

    He is a Jewish rights warrior [or worrier] of sorts, decent enough chap I reckon; other than carrying a virulent hatred for those he considers antijewish. I had exchanged words with him on this forum.

    This post is weird, to say the least, it suggests someone stalked and physically accosted him, with serious consequences. The mention of his own passing is suggestive of what Ron Unz had hinted at in those past exchanges – mental illness.

    e.g., you might care to follow the thread on this one:

    http://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/what-do-jennifer-rubin-and-brett-stephens-have-against-nativism-oh-wait/?highlight=Sobran#comment-1586859

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  108. @eggheadshadhisnumber
    Dear trolls and assailants,

    Congratulations, you have won. Insults and pejoratives are one thing, intimidation and assaults are another. Other people may fancy violence and blackjacks, I have no taste for confrontation. In a few hours, you can raise your champagne flutes and celebrate my passing. Cyber-stalking laws are there for a reason. Parents, please don’t let this happen to your children, it turns life into a living hell.

    - Allie

    “I have no taste for confrontation…”

    Anybody who’s curious can check out your posting history here and see for themselves your penchant for malice and dishonesty.

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    • Replies: @Max Payne
    How dare you Nancy's bring your illiterate retard drama onto Unz.com

    Just shoot each other already.
  109. @Wizard of Oz
    I sometimes wonder if you are trolling as you don't seem to be stupid. But the idea of the "people of Palestine" returning (sic - you aren't referring in reality to many people who were their before) to "rebuild their villages" is beyond ludicrous. Who wants to live in a village these days? Villlages built again where now there is a factory or a freeway? What do you do for employment or home sites when your family has multiplied by five or ten times in number? As for the peaceful past!!

    “But the idea of the “people of Palestine” returning (sic – you aren’t referring in reality to many people who were their before) to “rebuild their villages” is beyond ludicrous. Who wants to live in a village these days? Villlages built again where now there is a factory or a freeway? What do you do for employment or home sites when your family has multiplied by five or ten times in number? As for the peaceful past!!”

    Especially when the Israelis are cutting down and burning all their olive trees. Which by the way is forbidden by the Old Testament as a gross sin.

    You really aren’t familiar with peasant farmers, are you? Or olive trees for that matter. They take twenty years to mature and bear fruit for long centuries.

    But turn the question around–why would the early Zionists want to return to Israel after more than a thousand years to refound and rebuild an ersatz”Israel” in the image of a Neo-Hegelian heresy, especially since many of them were atheists or agnostics?

    Also why would anyone want to live the Holy Land of ticky tacky apartments, freeways, walls and so forth? Kibbutz perhaps one can understand, farming like the Palestinian peasants, right? Netanyahuesque real estate speculators’ pigeon holes?

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    Well I'll grant that those escaping the shtetl had one thing in common with the Palestinian refugees' descendants. That is an embarrassingly high fertility which was perhaps even more of a problem for them than those for whom the UN organises sustenance and shelter. But that is about as far as your comparison is useful. Palestine had a lot of underused land when the first Zionists arrived. Not true today of Israel apart from parts of the Negev. Small holdings and small scale co-operatives were an aspirational novelty as well as subject for romantic nostalgia 100 plus years ago for often illiterate, often intellectual socialist Jews. The situation of Palestinians in their diaspora or benefiting (somewhat) from the post WW2 refugee convention is very different.

    As to your point about olives, as it happens I do know a bit about olives having chosen and planted quite a few by hand and picked the fruit. And your point about peasant farmers and olive trees directly contradicts your argument. Why would prople living poor but modern lives in towns or equivalently large refugee camps for three generations consider a deal which would allow those of them descended from olive owning peasants to plant small plantatations of olives which might, in 20 years time, begin to support a small fraction of the now extended family?
  110. @Sam Shama
    I never understood why "religious" Jews object to Palestinians co-habiting a common ancestral land; nor Hamas/Pals declaring their intention to throw every Jew into the sea.

    I think Trump looks at reality, the one which Russia and many nations in the ME have bugun to embrace: Israel is to be the sovereign nation which extends citizenship to Palestinians in the WB. She has the wherewithals to execute this successfully. Pals in turn must pledge fealty to the state and work towards a better shared future. Those that wish not to, are free to leave with fair compensation.

    Jews worried about the demographic future ought to do their bit, as in fact they have, rather busily it seems, with recent Jewish birth rates exceeding Pal rates.

    Señor Trump is P. T. Barnum redivivus. He has never looked at reality in his life. What he sees is his name writ all over the landscape, inlaid with gold, classy looking broads, hotels, casinos and so forth. Has Señor Netanyahu promised him a high rise hotel casino overlooking the wall?

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  111. @Talha
    I am also quite confused - and going to the archive of this poster reveals no clues...

    I can only ask:
    "Allie, are you OK? Are you OK, Allie?"

    Hopefully she has not been hit by a smooth criminal.

    Peace.

    I am just speculating, but that commenter egregiously doxxed somebody else on this site a few months ago, he divulged his name, where he worked, he even posted selfies of the guy; it was unbelievably contemptuous. Maybe that guy, or some of his friends, or people who agree with his views (the guy who was doxxed was a white-nationalist type) sought out revenge??

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    • Replies: @Talha
    Salaam Qasim,

    Live by the sword...I guess. Both acts are deplorable to me - seems a shame to try to destroy each others' lives over a tiff on an anonymous forum - just my opinion.

    Wa Salaam
  112. @Karl
    > When will Israel define its border?

    how long was the USA in existence when it completed its "land grab" from the Spanish-American War?


    How long was Russia in existence when it re-annexed Crimea?


    "Two State Solution" - what is that, the revival of the Confederate States of America?


    PS: whenever you see a tail wag a dog, you know that you're looking a very strong tail.... or a very weak dog. What's the last three things that Philip Giraldi did to strengthen the footing of the weak dog?

    Fish rot from the head.

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  113. @Wizard of Oz
    At the risk of taking seriously mere trolling about psychometrics and its history allow me to ask what Nobel Prizes you are referring to in the same breath as Pulitzer Prizes as "laughable".

    Presumably the separately governed Peace Prizes? Possibly the late added Economics Nobels? Literature? But I don't suppose you would want to dismiss the positive significance to hard science and medicine of the work which was honoured by about 98/99 per cent of the hard science Nobels awarded.

    And you have the gall to suggest trolling…

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    I would challenge you to justify the suggestion of trolling except that you are so clearly trying to divert attention from your having just blurted out whatever rubbish popped into your head on a subject of which you knew bugger all. You make no attempt to justify your crude bluster to which I was replying with questions designed to elucidate what you meant and in a later post make it even clearer that you are ignorant of what you claim to have an opinion about by failing to note that the Peace Prize is awarded by the Norwegians, not the Swedes!

    Better to stop digging.
  114. @Talha
    I am also quite confused - and going to the archive of this poster reveals no clues...

    I can only ask:
    "Allie, are you OK? Are you OK, Allie?"

    Hopefully she has not been hit by a smooth criminal.

    Peace.

    I am also quite confused – and going to the archive of this poster reveals no clues…

    I also went to comment archives looking for clues but found none.

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  115. @Sam Shama
    I never understood why "religious" Jews object to Palestinians co-habiting a common ancestral land; nor Hamas/Pals declaring their intention to throw every Jew into the sea.

    I think Trump looks at reality, the one which Russia and many nations in the ME have bugun to embrace: Israel is to be the sovereign nation which extends citizenship to Palestinians in the WB. She has the wherewithals to execute this successfully. Pals in turn must pledge fealty to the state and work towards a better shared future. Those that wish not to, are free to leave with fair compensation.

    Jews worried about the demographic future ought to do their bit, as in fact they have, rather busily it seems, with recent Jewish birth rates exceeding Pal rates.

    “Jews worried about the demographic future ought to do their bit, as in fact they have, rather busily it seems, with recent Jewish birth rates exceeding Pal rates.”

    Interestingly enough, among the highest birth rates in Israel are Haredi Jews. One problem they range from indifferent to Zionism and Latter Day Israel to outright hostile to both:

    “Given the current birth rate of about six children per Haredi mother, some predict they will make up 25% of the population within a few decades. And a significant proportion of these are somewhere on a scale from indifferent to downright hostile to the state of Israel, and refuse to serve in its army. Last year a uniformed IDF officer was pelted with stones, eggs and nappies in Mea Shearim.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2016/may/12/for-haredi-jews-secular-zionism-remains-a-religious-heresy

    So after the Palestinians, who’s next on the Netanyahu Zionist Imperial hit list?

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  116. @Wizard of Oz
    At the risk of taking seriously mere trolling about psychometrics and its history allow me to ask what Nobel Prizes you are referring to in the same breath as Pulitzer Prizes as "laughable".

    Presumably the separately governed Peace Prizes? Possibly the late added Economics Nobels? Literature? But I don't suppose you would want to dismiss the positive significance to hard science and medicine of the work which was honoured by about 98/99 per cent of the hard science Nobels awarded.

    The Swedish Academy has an agenda even for the so-called “hard sciences” and medicine.

    Did Henry Judah Heimlich get or even ever get seriously considered for a Nobel Prize in medicine, which he richly deserved?

    Why not then? Answer that question even roughly according to reality and you will have uncovered some aspects of same agenda.

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    • Replies: @E. A. Costa
    "In 1984 Dr. Heimlich, the recipient of many honors, won the Albert Lasker Public Service Award, one of the nation’s most prestigious medical science prizes, for a 'simple, practical, cost-free solution to a life-threatening emergency, requiring neither great strength, special equipment or elaborate training.'...”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/17/us/dr-henry-j-heimlich-famous-for-antichoking-technique-dies-at-96.html

    See that: "simple, practical, cost-free solution to a life-threatening emergency, requiring neither great strength, special equipment or elaborate training."

    You're getting warm.
  117. […] The Unz Review: Welcome to Greater Israel! The tail will be wagging the dog under Donald Trump By P… […]

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  118. @Lot
    It is funny how Unz.com's large stable of Israel/Jew haters just can't decide if Trump is on their side or not. (I think Giraldi is right, he's not, and Saker is wrong.)

    What Giraldi does not understand is that patriotic white people do not find it acceptable that the Holy Land be occupied by Muslim barbarians. It really is just that simple. It was the case 1000 years ago, and is still the case now.

    Israel is America's Crusader Kingdom, and Bibi is white America's loyal viceroy.

    on land stolen from Palestinians
     
    It is Israel's by right of conquest.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_conquest

    And if you don't believe in that right, I first urge to you deed your house over to the nearest Indian tribe, and second explain how the various Arabs who call themselves "Palestinians" got that land in the first place.

    “It is Israel’s by right of conquest.”

    Whose conquest was that–the Britishers?

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    Whose conquest was that–the Britishers?
     
    The conquest of territory vacated by the British, prevailing over local Arabs and the invading armies of Egypt, Iraq, Syria, and Jordan.

    The British intended on giving Jews about half of modern Israel, but the British were never going to defend those intended borders.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestine_war
    , @Karl
    > Whose conquest was that–the Britishers?


    no, it would be those souls who are currently sleeping in Israel's numerous Military Cemeteries. Whatever we possess, was given to us by them, on a silver platter.

    Outside materiel help & support is always gratefully accepted. However, those cemeteries are full of our own people.
  119. @Karl
    hey Talha, how about we make a fair compromise.... a religion gets to declare a place to be its "Holy City", if the religion is indigenous to that place?

    YHWH-cult and Jesus-cult are indigenous to Eretz Israel. We all agree on that

    Mohammed-cult is indigenous to..... Saudi Arabia.

    You can keep Mecca.

    Abraham or Avram came from Sumer. The Elohim were the gods of the lands now known as Israel/Palestine. Certainly, whatever one chooses to call the Creator it is surely the same one for all of us and for every living thing.

    Stories about gods saying this and that regarding land or commandments are just the result of con tricks played on primitive, unsophisticated fools choosing to believe in an anthropomorphic God. That some people still believe and are still around to comment on The Unz Review is a sad commentary on our species.

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  120. @Wizard of Oz
    What ingenious constitutional arrangements do you forsee to allow Jewish fears of being swamped by Arab voters to be overcome?

    What ingenious constitutional arrangements do you forsee to allow Jewish fears of being swamped by Arab voters to be overcome?

    Good people – people of good will can always find a way to work things out.

    The problem is that the Jews want it all – they do not want a solution.

    It is clear from all the Jew comments – that is so.

    Peace — Art

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  121. @E. A. Costa
    The Swedish Academy has an agenda even for the so-called "hard sciences" and medicine.

    Did Henry Judah Heimlich get or even ever get seriously considered for a Nobel Prize in medicine, which he richly deserved?

    Why not then? Answer that question even roughly according to reality and you will have uncovered some aspects of same agenda.

    “In 1984 Dr. Heimlich, the recipient of many honors, won the Albert Lasker Public Service Award, one of the nation’s most prestigious medical science prizes, for a ‘simple, practical, cost-free solution to a life-threatening emergency, requiring neither great strength, special equipment or elaborate training.’…”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/17/us/dr-henry-j-heimlich-famous-for-antichoking-technique-dies-at-96.html

    See that: “simple, practical, cost-free solution to a life-threatening emergency, requiring neither great strength, special equipment or elaborate training.”

    You’re getting warm.

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    • Replies: @jacques sheete
    An agenda you say? Who could have ever guessed, eh? Please don't spoil the sweet dreams of the innocent, good sir! ;)

    The Buzzard itself mentioned the "Peace" prize. That should have been its first clue.
  122. @E. A. Costa
    Well, look at it this way, Señor Trump is going to stop all those messkin illegals from taking jobs aways from gut ole watt merkin werkin foke, thus creating a lot of contracts and jobs for--Israelis, jeje.

    Suckers.

    Since you despise us so much, why do you post here. Your attitude towards us is the same as the Jewish geniuses have towards us

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  123. @vinteuil
    "I have no taste for confrontation..."

    Anybody who's curious can check out your posting history here and see for themselves your penchant for malice and dishonesty.

    How dare you Nancy’s bring your illiterate retard drama onto Unz.com

    Just shoot each other already.

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  124. @RobinG
    OBAMA'S CHRISTMAS EVE ASSAULT ON FIRST AMENDMENT

    The Countering Disinformation and Propaganda Act

    The attack on our freedom of speech has begun. What do you bet that criticizing Israel gets labeled 'Disinformation and Propaganda'? Not to mention any reporting on Syria or Ukraine that questions official US line.
    http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/12/26/under-cover-christmas-obama-establishes-controversial-anti-propaganda-agency

    OBAMA GUILTY OF FELONY OR TREASON
    Obama should be prosecuted for providing aid to terrorists.

    Looks like Obama is setting booby-traps for P.E. Trump. But shouldn't Obama be held accountable for his crimes? Since 2012 at least (i.e. his entire second term) Obama has been training and funding groups allied with terrorists. That is a crime. Any regular citizen would be prosecuted for providing aid to terrorists. The only question: felony or treason?

    SENATE AND CONGRESS GUILTY OF AIDING AND ABETTING, OR OF MISPRISION, WHICH IS ALSO A FELONY

    Who knows Robin,

    Perhaps all the oligarchs who own the big media conglomerates as well as others, will all find themselves in orange jumpsuits and deposited in Guantanamo Bay for having defrauded the American people into the catastrophic Iraq war ?.

    The citizenry of our nation were thoroughly conned out of trillions (upon trillions) of our tax dollars , to initiate a war of aggression and murder countless of innocent people who never attacked us on 9-11 …and never intended to .

    Why is that okay ?

    Why wouldn’t President Trump, who in his own words stated “they lied us into the Iraq war” make this a top priority of his administration ?

    Is there one American , anywhere, who would complain if he did ?

    Is there really one decent American citizen, you can find anywhere in our country, who enjoys being defrauded out of his or her dough to go murder tons of people who never did anything to anybody ?

    I don’t think so….do you ?

    Certainly the combined assets of these deceitful oligarchs, clawed back to our nations balance sheet (where it rightfully belongs) would go a long way toward funding the trillion dollar infrastructure projects President Trump wishes to get off the ground.

    Wouldn’t they ?

    Perhaps President Obama felt we should look forward and not back, but that was before the full realization of this massive, deceitful “war fraud”(as well as its outrageous costs) had crystallized in the minds of most Americans ….besides, the last time I checked there is no statute of limitations on murder…Is there ?

    If all the pretexts for the Iraq war were contrived and phony from the get-go (and it seems quite clear now , that they were)…. why , pray tell, should the burden of the costs of that war be born on the backs of the 300 million Americans who were lied into it ?….Shouldn’t the liars…the “war propagandists” bear the burden ?

    Wouldn’t passing a law against “War Fraud” and “War Propaganda” be a fine thing, especially if its made retroactive to 2002 ?

    How else will they ever learn that “lying” us into “war” is NOT okay ?

    How else will they learn that lesson ?

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    • Replies: @E. A. Costa
    "Is there one American , anywhere, who would complain if he did ?"

    Dick Cheney?
  125. @Qasim
    I am just speculating, but that commenter egregiously doxxed somebody else on this site a few months ago, he divulged his name, where he worked, he even posted selfies of the guy; it was unbelievably contemptuous. Maybe that guy, or some of his friends, or people who agree with his views (the guy who was doxxed was a white-nationalist type) sought out revenge??

    Salaam Qasim,

    Live by the sword…I guess. Both acts are deplorable to me – seems a shame to try to destroy each others’ lives over a tiff on an anonymous forum – just my opinion.

    Wa Salaam

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    • Replies: @vinteuil
    Mr Talha: neither I nor any friend of mine has ever done "egghead..." any harm. I do not even know who he is.

    BTW - for me, this is no longer an "anonymous forum."

    I believe I am the only poster here who has ever been treated like this.
  126. @alexander
    Who knows Robin,

    Perhaps all the oligarchs who own the big media conglomerates as well as others, will all find themselves in orange jumpsuits and deposited in Guantanamo Bay for having defrauded the American people into the catastrophic Iraq war ?.

    The citizenry of our nation were thoroughly conned out of trillions (upon trillions) of our tax dollars , to initiate a war of aggression and murder countless of innocent people who never attacked us on 9-11 ...and never intended to .

    Why is that okay ?

    Why wouldn't President Trump, who in his own words stated "they lied us into the Iraq war" make this a top priority of his administration ?

    Is there one American , anywhere, who would complain if he did ?

    Is there really one decent American citizen, you can find anywhere in our country, who enjoys being defrauded out of his or her dough to go murder tons of people who never did anything to anybody ?

    I don't think so....do you ?

    Certainly the combined assets of these deceitful oligarchs, clawed back to our nations balance sheet (where it rightfully belongs) would go a long way toward funding the trillion dollar infrastructure projects President Trump wishes to get off the ground.

    Wouldn't they ?

    Perhaps President Obama felt we should look forward and not back, but that was before the full realization of this massive, deceitful "war fraud"(as well as its outrageous costs) had crystallized in the minds of most Americans ....besides, the last time I checked there is no statute of limitations on murder...Is there ?

    If all the pretexts for the Iraq war were contrived and phony from the get-go (and it seems quite clear now , that they were).... why , pray tell, should the burden of the costs of that war be born on the backs of the 300 million Americans who were lied into it ?....Shouldn't the liars...the "war propagandists" bear the burden ?

    Wouldn't passing a law against "War Fraud" and "War Propaganda" be a fine thing, especially if its made retroactive to 2002 ?

    How else will they ever learn that "lying" us into "war" is NOT okay ?

    How else will they learn that lesson ?

    “Is there one American , anywhere, who would complain if he did ?”

    Dick Cheney?

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  127. @War for Blair Mountain
    The Old Farting Lesbian Angela Merkel must be convicted of TREASON!!!....and then dipped in a large vat of car battery acid...sealed...Do it in a popular public square so the German People can observe and enjoy kicks and screams emitted from the walls of the vat....Make it a German Family Holiday......Then kick the US Negro Military out of Deutchland....forever.

    The vat should be made of glass so all can see her torment

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    Hmmm.. Erdogan really seems to believe that the US was behind the recent coup.

    Or maybe he is just sour at the US for having misled him that Assad would fall but not delivering on the promise.

    Or maybe he is trying to push the blame on OTHERS when he himself clearly supported ISIS.

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  129. @E. A. Costa
    "It is Israel’s by right of conquest."

    Whose conquest was that--the Britishers?

    Whose conquest was that–the Britishers?

    The conquest of territory vacated by the British, prevailing over local Arabs and the invading armies of Egypt, Iraq, Syria, and Jordan.

    The British intended on giving Jews about half of modern Israel, but the British were never going to defend those intended borders.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestine_war

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  130. @Anon
    "Great again"? Israel has always been great. Two words: high IQ.

    Average JEWISH IQ in Israel is something like 95. It will get lower because the hasids have most of the children and their state supported religious schools don’t go further than 4th grade

    The basis kids don’t learn math much beyond 4 the grade. All the girls need to know is how to cook, have babies and go to the benefits office.
    All the boys need to do us learn to read so they can spend the rest of their lives studying religion

    Since the descendants of Russian commie Zionists have few kids and the various sects of looney orthodox have most of the kids Israeli IQ will get lower each generation

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    Not much lower probably because those descendants of the late Medieval hasids largely preserve the good genes (don't hold me to precise knowledge of Jewish history but my understanding is that the selection for cognitive abilities ended by about 1650 when Askenazi population growth meant there were many more young people than could make money as bankers, merchants or estate managers and that at about the same time the Hasidic emotional forms of Judaism took off). The very large families of Haredim (I may be confused but aren't they sometimes caĺled Ultra Orthodox?) are so inbred in Israel that they have lots of retarded children but thatof course doesn't prevent the other children preserving and reproducing the good genes.
  131. @5371
    Jew Crusader, LOL. Stop spitting at crosses before you paint them on your clothing. How do you think Christians 1000 years ago would have looked on the Holy Land being occupied by a Jewish state?

    How do you think Christians 1000 years ago would have looked on the Holy Land being occupied by a Jewish state?

    They would have preferred it to Islamic rule and viewed it as in accordance with the Bible.

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    Nope.
    , @Talha
    Hey Lot,

    From a historical basis; every time the Christians (Antiquity or Medieval) got hold of the cities of the Holy Land it usually did not turn out well for the Jews. Here are some citations I've made before...

    Taking just the city of Jerusalem as an example, here is what journalist and historian Nissim Rejwan (an Iraqi Jew) wrote about the phenomenon:
    “It is interest to note here that, as far as Palestine is concerned, the right of Jews to ‘return’ to live in this small area of land was accepted by all successive Muslim rulers from the Muslim conquest to the end of the nineteenth century, when Zionist settlement there became entangled in European weltpolitik. Gibb and Bowen relate how, when the Jews of Europe ‘learned of the paradisiacal life awaiting them in Turkey’ and many of them set out for Palestine, it was not the Muslims who objected but the [Christian] Franciscans of Jerusalem, ‘who talked the Pope into forbidding the Venetians to carry Jewish passengers to the Holy Land.’ This was not the first time Jerusalem Christians tried to prevail on Muslim rulers to ban Jews from living in the city. A similar attempt was made first when the second Caliph, Omar, entered Jerusalem at the time of its conquest by the Muslim army in the seventh century, and again when Salah ad-Din [Saladin] drove out the Crusaders in the twelfth. On both of these occasions, the Christian patriarch of the city tried to persuade the Muslim conquerors to prevent Jews from living in or (as in the latter case) returning to Jerusalem after they had been expelled from it by the Christians. Both Omar and Salah ad-Din refused to heed their pleas.”
    Israel’s Place in the Middle East: A Pluralist Perspective

    The ban that Umar (ra) lifted had been in place for 500 years:
    “Umar fulfilled the hopes of Jews by refusing the church’s request to continue the ban against Jewish residence and inviting them back into the city. In the seventh century, as Jerusalem came into Muslim hands, the ban on Jewish residence was lifted. After approximately 500 years of being Judenrein, Jerusalem again included a Jewish community. Jews long banned from living in Jerusalem by Christian rulers, were permitted to return, live, and worship in the city of Solomon and David.”
    http://www1.american.edu/ted/hpages/jeruselum/muslim.htm

    “Omar permitted the Jews to reestablish their presence in Jerusalem–after a lapse of 500 years…Jewish tradition regards Omar as a benevolent ruler…”
    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/judaica/ejud_0002_0015_0_15096.html

    Peace.
    , @Gabriel M
    Stupid question, stupid answer. Apart from anything else, the Crusaders wouldn't consider the Protestant population of the US to be legitimate Christians. I doubt they'd consider the Pope to be a Christian. What is the point in talking about stupid stuff like this? Is Bibi going to sack Venice or something?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sack_of_Constantinople_(1204)
    , @schmenz
    Probably not, Lot.

    A recent example was Pope Pius X's refusal to acquiesce to Herzl's demand that the Church support a Jewish state in Palestine.
  132. @Svigor
    Hussein has handed Trump a big favor with the Security Council abstention, btw. Trump can now point to the fact that White House support for Israel is not unconditional, without having to get his hands dirty. And he can position himself as quite the carrot. Personally, I'd make Boobie & the Zionists pay, in a public way, for throwing me under the bus during the campaign, if I were Trump, but maybe he has bigger plans.

    Dan thanks for the link to the OD piece:
    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2016/12/donald-trump-as-zionist/#more-108242

    America is run by Israel-Firsters. Giraldi & company are Israel-Lasters. Trump is (or seems to be) an America-Firster. KMac is a Whites-Firster, so naturally, he's not as het up about Trump's position as the Israel-Lasters are. KMac is obviously closest to my own position. Our problem is far more with diaspora Jewry, than it is with Israel. On the contrary, we'd like to have for ourselves something a lot like what Israeli Jewry has for itself.

    Politics, after all, is the art of the possible. For us as advocates of a White America, our first priorities should be domestic policy — ending the immigration onslaught first and foremost. If doing that is made easier by supporting Israel, so be it.

    Finally, I suggest that Trump’s sympathy for Jews and Jewish concerns is real, but that he is well aware of Jewish power and the need to use Jewish power and their personal abilities to his advantage. An article in the Jerusalem Post by Michael Wilner from September adds considerable detail to Trump’s very long history of Jewish ties.
     
    Indeed. That makes perfect sense to me.

    It is funny how Unz.com’s large stable of Israel/Jew haters just can’t decide if Trump is on their side or not. (I think Giraldi is right, he’s not, and Saker is wrong.)
     
    Taking a wait and see attitude, and constantly correcting for new info, is common sense. I don't find common sense "funny," generally speaking, but to each his own.

    Dealmakers support no one unconditionally. That seems like common sense to me - to see Trump as a dealmaker, before seeing him wedded to some cucked-out vision of Israel as "our" heretical Crusader State.

    “Great again”? Israel has always been great. Two words: high IQ.
     
    What's Israel's mean IQ again? 95, or something? Ashkenazi Israeli mean IQ is like 104, IIRC. Vast majority of the smart Jews live in the diaspora.

    Our problem is far more with diaspora Jewry, than it is with Israel.

    If the muzzies ever take over Israel, guess where the Israeli Jews will all come!

    Ashkenazi Israeli mean IQ is like 104, IIRC. Vast majority of the smart Jews live in the diaspora.

    I agree Ashkenazi Israelis have lower IQ than full-blooded non-Israeli Ashkenazi because the choice to become a farmer-soldier in Israel v a citizen of a safe Western democracy would have sorted by IQ.

    Regression to the mean, however, would have greatly narrowed these differences by now.

    Ultimately it isn’t very important going forward, as fewer and fewer full-blooded Ashkenazi are being born as they intermix with whites and asians in the USA and Sephardi and Slav-Ashkenazi hybrids from the former USSR.

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    "I agree Ashkenazi Israelis have lower IQ than full-blooded non-Israeli Ashkenazi because the choice to become a farmer-soldier in Israel v a citizen of a safe Western democracy would have sorted by IQ."

    I thought that one of the big unmentionable sins of the Zionists is that they turned away lots of Jews from British occupied Palestine during WWII, and afterwards, on the grounds that they were mentally and/or physically unfit for the planned Zionist state. The Zionists used eugenics against Jews, so you would think that the Ashkenazis in Israel would be at least on par with the Ashkenazis elsewhere. The sabras were supposed to be mentally and physically superior beings, which is ironic beyond belief on so many levels. They apparently failed on both goals.

    Why don't diaspora Jews make an issue of Israel's rejection of other Jews as being unfit to be Israelis?

    https://azvsas.blogspot.com/2009/05/nazi-zionist-eugenics.html
  133. @Anonymous

    The obvious ‘solution’ now is to go the way of South Africa: one state for all, with Truth & Reconciliation commissions, a dispossessed and terrorized white minority on the run, the whole works. Should be fun.
     
    Israel should put a tarp over Gaza and run a Zyklon-B hose to it. After that, American soldiers can scorch the earth of Jordan and Syria, and restore the Kingdom of Israel. That's what God wants.

    That’s so funny, I was thinking the same thing, but instead of the Palestinians I was thinking Israel.

    I mean, as an American, nothing would be better then to remove the Jewish enemy that currently infests this once great nation.

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    @Johnny F. Ive
    I'll be shocked if the US does not go to war with Iran under Trump, but better war with Iran than war with Russia. The US Empire will have its war with somebody, so let it be with people who really can't damage the US physically. I am curious to see if Trump deals with the Salafist supporters like Saudi Arabia and Qatar. The only thing Trump's ambassador appointment did was to make the official policy visible to all. There is no faux liberal nonsense out there that can hide the emperor's nakedness now. BDS is the only way to peacefully end the Israeli occupation. America's unconditional support for Israel has already done damage to American interest in the Middle East. I guess even the idiots among the Muslim population can see what the true policy of the US and Israel has always been concerning the Palestinians now thanks to Trump. The appointment is a stroke of genius if what I read is correct and Friedman is to the right of Netanyahu. It changed nothing but the perception. Congress will fight the appointment I bet in order to keep the lie alive.

    That just delayed the war with Russia though.

    People here seem to be thrilled that Trump is bff with Putin. It is just a ruse. The game is to weaken China by turning Russia against China and to topple Iran. Then the US will use its superior military to take down China.

    Once China is dealt with, the west will focus on economically destroying Russia. Russia cannot be controlled economically with China still standing, but without China the Russians can be starved into submission.

    If you wonder why Russia is always a target no matter what, you need to read up on the Heartland and Mackinder. Russia is always the number 1 target.

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  135. @Talha
    Hey iffen,

    I was upset about his "only" remark. If his remarks insinuate that they plan to eventually drive out Muslims from the city so that is it is for "only the Jewish people" - then that is utterly contemptible. Especially given the history:
    "Playing to messianic expectations rampant among 16th-century Jews, Sultan Süleyman the Magnificent invites Jewish refugees from the Spanish expulsion to settle in his realm. Jerusalem, already an established center of mystics, becomes a magnet for pious Jewish settlers who flock here in greater numbers for the first time since antiquity."
    http://www.bu.edu/mzank/Jerusalem/p/period6-3.htm

    Peace.

    Süleyman the Magnificent invites Jewish refugees from the Spanish expulsion to settle in his realm. Jerusalem

    So Suleiman the Mag was a lover and not a fighter? IMO, he had an ulterior motive since Jews possessed wealth, education and influence in Europe which could benefit the Ottoman Empire. I doubt it was because he was committed to religious tolerance and pluralism.

    Spanish Jewish expellees were also welcomed by other Christian states like England, France, and Holland, so it wasn’t as if Christian Europe slammed the door shut on Jews. Only Spain did and it appears with pretty good reason depending on the historical account(s) once chooses to believe.

    Some Muslims, blaming Jews for their own declining fortunes, committed atrocities against those making their journey to the coastal areas where ships would take them to other Christian states or places controlled by the Ottoman Empire. The Spanish Christians did little to protect them.

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    I am surprised that you say Spanish Jews went to England and France. The Netherlands very likely but my recollection is that there were practically no Jews in England from their expulsion in the late 13th century until readmission under Cromwell. (I recall that some Jewish physician got blamed for something under Queen Elizabeth but he was no doubt blamed for misrepresenting the unique skills which justified his residency).
    , @Talha
    Hey KenH,

    So Suleiman the Mag was a lover and not a fighter?
     
    He was both; the number of concubines those sultans had - let me tell ya! I think the citation already states 'Playing to Messianic expectations...' which connotes ulterior motives.

    I doubt it was because he was committed to religious tolerance and pluralism.
     
    You have that wrong - those policies were good for commerce and taxation; the sultans took full advantage:
    “For a long time the Ottoman empire was a relatively benign regime. In the sixteenth and seventeenth century, as the kings of Christian Europe were burning heretics at the stake, the sultans saw to it that the various religions in their empire were protected from each other…It was a regime of material self-interest, designed to increase the wealth and power of the Ottoman dynasty, but taxes were not very burdensome and some of the empire’s great wealth filtered back to the subject populations."
    https://my.vanderbilt.edu/robertdrews/files/2014/01/Chapter-Thirty.-The-Ottoman-Empire-Judaism-and-Eastern-Europe-to-1648.pdf

    Spanish Jewish expellees were also welcomed by other Christian states like England, France, and Holland, so it wasn’t as if Christian Europe slammed the door shut on Jews.
     
    Never implied that, but what does this have to do with the discussion of Palestine? I could also cite that the same Jews settled in Morocco and Egypt - but, who cares?

    Some Muslims, blaming Jews for their own declining fortunes, committed atrocities against those making their journey to the coastal areas where ships would take them to other Christian states or places controlled by the Ottoman Empire.
     
    Citation would be nice, but let's take it at face value that ignorant Muslim mobs committed violence to minorities as they do today.

    It would not be surprising that his predecessor, the Caliph Beyazid II, who took in Jewish refugees from the original ejection from Spain sent the royal navy to help pick them up under royal protection:
    "During the years 1490 to 1497 Sultan Bayezid II accepted the exiled Jews from Italy, Spain and Portugal. In 1492 Kemal Reis and his fleet were sent to Cadiz to take the Jews in charge...The last lot of Jews gathered in the port of Cadiz faced a dilemma: Those who left port were attacked by the pirates, those who went on land were burned at the stake by the inquisition. About a thousand people waited in anguish. At the last minute arrived a small fleet manned by the Turkish admiral Kemal Reis who took the refugees under his protection."
    http://www.sephardicstudies.org/sultans1.html

    He also issued an edict to stop harassment, which would not have been necessary had it not been a potential problem:
    "The Grand Rabbi Moshe Kapsali (1420-1495), leader of the Jewish Nation, who resided in Constantinople and enjoyed favor of the Imperial Court, had obtained from the Sultan a firmanwhereby the 'penalty of death' was decreed against anyone who would dare to mistreat them (the Sephardi immigrants) or cause the slightest injury."
    History of the Turkish Jews and Sephardim: Memories of a Past Golden Age

    Peace.

  136. If the muzzies ever take over Israel, guess where the Israeli Jews will all come!

    Yeah, I know. I’ve heard all the angles, believe me. I’ve certainly heard that one many times, anyway. 95% of everything I’ve ever heard, in fact, I heard first discussing the issue at Stormfront.

    Just gonna have to live with the risk, I guess. The Sampson Option, Mutually Assured Destruction, etc.

    So says either a *human* worshipper or a descendent of *calf* worshippers, who have committed far greater murderous barbarity that us Muslim “barbarians.” H3ll will be a most appropriate place for likes of you, if you actually believed in such a thing.

    Obviously Lot gave you reason to retaliate, so I’ve no objection there. But, Muslims really have no room to criticize along the lines you’ve chosen. You hold up a child-molesting bandit and murderer as your “perfect model of humanity”; your Christ, in effect.

    Put another way, your greatest religious aspirations are to child-molesting, banditry, murder, etc. Sorry to break it to you, but this is baked into the Muslim cake.

    Pals in turn must pledge fealty to the state and work towards a better shared future. Those that wish not to, are free to leave with fair compensation.

    I’m afraid any such pledge would be worthless.

    Jews worried about the demographic future ought to do their bit, as in fact they have, rather busily it seems, with recent Jewish birth rates exceeding Pal rates.

    They’re setting the stage for reclaiming Eretz Israel, in the name of Lebensraum. They won’t use that word much, though.

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  137. They’re setting the stage for reclaiming Eretz Israel, in the name of Lebensraum. They won’t use that word much, though.

    I mean, what will borders do to stop them? They’ll colonize Jordan, Lebanon, etc. And invade to “protect Jewish minorities there” in future. They can have PMCs do the day-to-day security, and run cross-border raids when the real military is needed. Who’s gonna stop them? The UN? On paper, it will still be Jordanian, Lebanese, etc., territory, but in reality, it will be Israeli.

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  138. @Art
    Nary a kudo for Obama anywhere. The Jew MSM has supported him 100% for eight years – now nothing. He has given up untold millions in speaker fees from Jews (and probably every major interest) to do the right thing. Too bad he got the Nobel Peace Prize when he did – he deserves it now.

    Trump campaigned that he was going to take America out of the bad guy trouble making column. Well with his actions on the UN vote he has squarely put America at odds with the world. In effect the vote was 15 for Palestine – zero for Israel. Hmm – 15 for good – ZERO for evil.

    It appears that what Trump meant when he said he would end the Palestinian/Israeli conflict, was that he would give Palestine a deal that they could not refuse – either they take it, or he will give Netanyahu full range to do as he pleases.

    Peace --- Art

    The private bankers that conspired and created the unconstitutional Federal Reserve, control our currency and have an infinite supply of money. They own the United States (which was turned into a corporation in 1871). They own our gov’t, media, medical establishment and all major institutions. They created Israel and wreak havoc on the world in the form of wars. They control all the central banks (except for North Korea, Iran and Cuba) and therefore control the world.

    They’re in the process of culling the world population through chemtrails, vaccines and wars. We need a worldwide awakening and revolution to take control back. There’s billions of us but unfortunately everyone is asleep.

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    Fox Mulder, is that you?
    , @Wizard of Oz
    What is the argument of constitutional law which justifies the statement that the Federal Reserve is uncontitutional?

    Has that argument ever been tested in the courts? If not why not?
    , @Art
    They (jews) control all the central banks (except for North Korea, Iran and Cuba) and therefore control the world.

    The Brits are building a steel mote around Rothschild in London. Got to protect the Jew and his money.


    The city of London is planning to protect its financial district and skyscrapers with a "ring of steel"

    The $6.14 million plan proposed by the Corporation of London would create a protective ring bordering Liverpool Street, the Bank of England and Fenchurch Street, the Telegraph reports. The area is home to some of the city's newest and most dramatic skyscrapers.

    https://sputniknews.com/europe/201612251048968047-new-ring-of-steel-london/

     

    Sadly - you can only get this in the Russian media.

    Peace --- Art

  139. @Lot

    Our problem is far more with diaspora Jewry, than it is with Israel.
     
    If the muzzies ever take over Israel, guess where the Israeli Jews will all come!

    Ashkenazi Israeli mean IQ is like 104, IIRC. Vast majority of the smart Jews live in the diaspora.
     
    I agree Ashkenazi Israelis have lower IQ than full-blooded non-Israeli Ashkenazi because the choice to become a farmer-soldier in Israel v a citizen of a safe Western democracy would have sorted by IQ.

    Regression to the mean, however, would have greatly narrowed these differences by now.

    Ultimately it isn't very important going forward, as fewer and fewer full-blooded Ashkenazi are being born as they intermix with whites and asians in the USA and Sephardi and Slav-Ashkenazi hybrids from the former USSR.

    “I agree Ashkenazi Israelis have lower IQ than full-blooded non-Israeli Ashkenazi because the choice to become a farmer-soldier in Israel v a citizen of a safe Western democracy would have sorted by IQ.”

    I thought that one of the big unmentionable sins of the Zionists is that they turned away lots of Jews from British occupied Palestine during WWII, and afterwards, on the grounds that they were mentally and/or physically unfit for the planned Zionist state. The Zionists used eugenics against Jews, so you would think that the Ashkenazis in Israel would be at least on par with the Ashkenazis elsewhere. The sabras were supposed to be mentally and physically superior beings, which is ironic beyond belief on so many levels. They apparently failed on both goals.

    Why don’t diaspora Jews make an issue of Israel’s rejection of other Jews as being unfit to be Israelis?

    https://azvsas.blogspot.com/2009/05/nazi-zionist-eugenics.html

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  140. @E. A. Costa
    "It is Israel’s by right of conquest."

    Whose conquest was that--the Britishers?

    > Whose conquest was that–the Britishers?

    no, it would be those souls who are currently sleeping in Israel’s numerous Military Cemeteries. Whatever we possess, was given to us by them, on a silver platter.

    Outside materiel help & support is always gratefully accepted. However, those cemeteries are full of our own people.

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  141. @War for Blair Mountain
    Why should Native Born White American Christians continue to subsidize Greater Israel...and send off their teenage sons to die as canon fodder for Greater Israel?

    > continue to subsidize Greater Israel…

    if that money gets cut off…. fine with me, as long as you ALSO stop giving money & guns to our neighbors. Use the money to pay down your debt. History teaches us that merely paying of 1% of a debt can turn things around, a LOT.

    > and send off their teenage sons to die as canon fodder for Greater Israel?

    one of the favorite themes here. We didn’t directly gain anything from your Iraq or Afghanistan adventures. It is possible to posit second-order and third-order effects that were helpful to us….. however comma, i don’t think anyone can accurately measure those.

    We get a LOT more results from dealing with those sorts of people ourselves, quietly. Consider the cases of two Muslim countries: Azerbaijan & Khazakhstan. Cureently de-facto aligned with us….. That was OUR foreign ministry, every step of the way.

    By the way Talha, we have PLENTY of Muslims in the IDF and EVEN MORE in the Border Police. The only point of contention is YOUR refusal to stop, stopping Jews from praying on the Temple Mount. Even just closing your eyes and standing still up there, gets a Jew arrested by the Muslim Police.

    There wasn’t one American soldier’s downrange deployment which cut even ONE DAY off the reserve duty Israelis still need to do to man checkpoints. Our problem is the Palestinians. Whatever happens in Anbar province or Kandahar province doesn’t change the daily reality of needing to put these Palestinians through metal-detectors to find knives. It just doesn’t.

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    Hey Karl,

    we have PLENTY of Muslims in the IDF and EVEN MORE in the Border Police
     
    Yes the Circassians (being the tough Caucasians that they are) have historically been some of our toughest fighters too. Anybody who doesn't take advantage of the martial prowess is wasting good material.

    The only point of contention is YOUR refusal to stop, stopping Jews from praying on the Temple Mount.
     
    I don't refuse them anything. That land is supposed to be shared as well as the Holy sites. I think this is deplorable if it is happening - I'm sure accommodations can be made from a logistical perspective so the Palestinian authorities should make it so. I like Arab nationalism and supremacy about as much as I do the Jewish kind.

    A citation about this legal restriction would be much appreciated.

    Peace.

    , @geokat62

    one of the favorite themes here. We didn’t directly gain anything from your Iraq or Afghanistan adventures. It is possible to posit second-order and third-order effects that were helpful to us….. however comma, i don’t think anyone can accurately measure those.
     
    According to Profs. Mearsheimer and Walt:

    Israel’s enthusiasm for war eventually led some of its allies in America to tell Israeli officials to damp down their hawkish rhetoric, lest the war look like it was being fought for Israel. In the fall of 2002, for example, a group of American political consultants known as the Israel Project circulated a six-page memorandum to key Israelis and pro-Israel leaders in the United States. The memo was titled “Talking about Iraq” and was intended as a guide for public statements about the war. “If your goal is regime change, you must be much more careful with your language because of the potential backlash. You do not want Americans to believe that the war on Iraq is being waged to protect Israel rather than to protect America.”
     
    , @E. A. Costa
    "We didn’t directly gain anything from your Iraq or Afghanistan adventures."

    Ah, "directly" no doubt cloaking in silence, say, Iraq's support and subsidies to Palestinians, the Palestinian guest workers in Kuwait, etc., right?

    It is accurate to say, however, that many of the level-headed Israeli officials in and out of government thought that the US coalitions' marches upcountry, during both wars against Iraq, were incredibly stupid and could backfire.

    Most of these, however, wanted a US attack on Iran instead.
  142. @Sam Shama
    I never understood why "religious" Jews object to Palestinians co-habiting a common ancestral land; nor Hamas/Pals declaring their intention to throw every Jew into the sea.

    I think Trump looks at reality, the one which Russia and many nations in the ME have bugun to embrace: Israel is to be the sovereign nation which extends citizenship to Palestinians in the WB. She has the wherewithals to execute this successfully. Pals in turn must pledge fealty to the state and work towards a better shared future. Those that wish not to, are free to leave with fair compensation.

    Jews worried about the demographic future ought to do their bit, as in fact they have, rather busily it seems, with recent Jewish birth rates exceeding Pal rates.

    Israel is to be the sovereign nation which extends citizenship to Palestinians in the WB. She has the wherewithal to execute this successfully. Pals in turn must pledge fealty to the state and work towards a better shared future. Those that wish not to, are free to leave with fair compensation.

    Here’s the German “Lebensraum” version:

    Germany is to be the sovereign nation which extends citizenship to Russians and Ukrainians in the Eastern Territories. She has the wherewithal to execute this successfully. Ethnic Russians and Ukrainians in turn must pledge fealty to the German state and work towards a better shared future. Those that wish not to, are free to leave with fair compensation.

    Except that 1) It was Russian land to start with 2) It was taken by force 3) Ethnic Germans will form a new upper class and have economic priority 4) Many Russians and Ukrainians will be obliged to leave – and without compensation.

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  143. @Lot

    How do you think Christians 1000 years ago would have looked on the Holy Land being occupied by a Jewish state?
     
    They would have preferred it to Islamic rule and viewed it as in accordance with the Bible.

    Nope.

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  144. 10.4 MILLION DOLLARS A DAY, we send in “aid” to Israel.

    For what?!

    Our goddamn infrastructure and everything else is LITERALLY falling apart around us in this country. Bridges collapsing. Roads with potholes the size of manhole covers causing deadly blowout accidents. Schools falling apart, Veterans dying while waiting for hospital visits, drug overdose death rates skyrocketing, homeless and jobless Americans in the millions. And the list goes on and on of issues that Americans need aid with.

    But instead of using that money to try to fix these problems, in America, for Americans that need aid, what do we do?

    We send 10.4 MILLION DOLLARS A DAY in “aid” to Israel.

    For what?!

    Imagine if we used that 10.4 MILLION DOLLARS A DAY on American aid instead of to destroy our International name by subsidizing the building of illegal settlements, the running of the worlds largest open-air prison, the maintaining of an apartheid wall, and slaughter of Palestinian families in their homes with weapons made and paid for by us.

    Mr. Giraldi wrote yet another great piece with this “Welcome to Greater Israel” article. Here’s a “Welcome to Gaza” to see what our 10.4 MILLION DOLLARS A DAY has bought us. How much longer are we going to allow this to continue?

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    • Replies: @Dave Bowman
    Bravo.

    You missed, in fact, the fact that international Jewry is solely responsible for the tricked, bribed, forced legislation across the White western world which admits millions of uneducated, illiterate, unassimilable, racist, White-hating Moslems without passports, to drain White economies with fraudulent welfare claims, rape and traffic White females for Moslem prostitution and secret pig-god sacrifice, fund blood-soaked deranged maniacs to build and detonate bombs in White population centres, and beyond all of that fashion legislation which curtails and severely punishes free speech by all those openly critical of these things.

    Add to that the fact that international Jewry has been engaged in a decades-long war of direct, subtle cultural Marxist propaganda via an endless stream of advertising, fashion and cinema content corruption, LGBT filth and shameless mass media lies, all designed to weaken, corrupt, undermine and destroy the morality and the morale of once-Christian White nations, and you begin to grasp the bigger picture, and the longer game.

    Now that you have understood that Jews, as they have always been, are the curse of the earth, try furthering your education and knowledge of the true depths of their nation-wrecking evil, by going here:

    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2016/12/philip-giraldi-on-the-anti-semitism-awareness-act/
  145. @Wizard of Oz
    I sometimes wonder if you are trolling as you don't seem to be stupid. But the idea of the "people of Palestine" returning (sic - you aren't referring in reality to many people who were their before) to "rebuild their villages" is beyond ludicrous. Who wants to live in a village these days? Villlages built again where now there is a factory or a freeway? What do you do for employment or home sites when your family has multiplied by five or ten times in number? As for the peaceful past!!

    Who wants to live in a village these days?

    Whoa, what a way to miss the point. For all I care, they can build a super-futuristic metropolis, if they prefer; the point is that the region’s native people should be in control of their land; not exactly a novel or controversial concept.

    It’s just that over 400 Palestinian villages have been depopulated and about a hundred of them destroyed by European settler-colonists since 1948…

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    OK -I won't stop to question anything about your last paragraph but do ask that you flavour your suggestions with realism and perhaps work into any ethical argument some arguably relevant principles like those underlying statutes of limitations and prescriptive titles.

    And it would be interesting to know how your suggested principles might apply to very many other occupations extending back to .... whatever date you choose to justify .... including Tibet, Taiwan, West Irian, Crimea, Goa, Matabeleland, Western Sahara, Northern Cyprus, Amazonia etc etc.
  146. @E. A. Costa
    "In 1984 Dr. Heimlich, the recipient of many honors, won the Albert Lasker Public Service Award, one of the nation’s most prestigious medical science prizes, for a 'simple, practical, cost-free solution to a life-threatening emergency, requiring neither great strength, special equipment or elaborate training.'...”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/17/us/dr-henry-j-heimlich-famous-for-antichoking-technique-dies-at-96.html

    See that: "simple, practical, cost-free solution to a life-threatening emergency, requiring neither great strength, special equipment or elaborate training."

    You're getting warm.

    An agenda you say? Who could have ever guessed, eh? Please don’t spoil the sweet dreams of the innocent, good sir! ;)

    The Buzzard itself mentioned the “Peace” prize. That should have been its first clue.

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  147. @Muslim Barbarian
    "...acceptable that the Holy Land be occupied by Muslim barbarians..."

    So says either a *human* worshipper or a descendent of *calf* worshippers, who have committed far greater murderous barbarity that us Muslim "barbarians." H3ll will be a most appropriate place for likes of you, if you actually believed in such a thing.

    Go usurp all you want, glorify yourselves all you want, for this fleeting moment in this world, for you will utter losers in His court.

    As for us, worshippers of the One and Only, the Infinite, the *Unique*, the Unseen, we praise and glorify Him daily for choosing us to be Muslim "barbarians."

    The word ‘Barbarian’ in your title is redundant.

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  148. @Paul C.
    The private bankers that conspired and created the unconstitutional Federal Reserve, control our currency and have an infinite supply of money. They own the United States (which was turned into a corporation in 1871). They own our gov't, media, medical establishment and all major institutions. They created Israel and wreak havoc on the world in the form of wars. They control all the central banks (except for North Korea, Iran and Cuba) and therefore control the world.

    They're in the process of culling the world population through chemtrails, vaccines and wars. We need a worldwide awakening and revolution to take control back. There's billions of us but unfortunately everyone is asleep.

    Fox Mulder, is that you?

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  149. @E. A. Costa
    "But the idea of the “people of Palestine” returning (sic – you aren’t referring in reality to many people who were their before) to “rebuild their villages” is beyond ludicrous. Who wants to live in a village these days? Villlages built again where now there is a factory or a freeway? What do you do for employment or home sites when your family has multiplied by five or ten times in number? As for the peaceful past!!"

    Especially when the Israelis are cutting down and burning all their olive trees. Which by the way is forbidden by the Old Testament as a gross sin.

    You really aren't familiar with peasant farmers, are you? Or olive trees for that matter. They take twenty years to mature and bear fruit for long centuries.

    But turn the question around--why would the early Zionists want to return to Israel after more than a thousand years to refound and rebuild an ersatz"Israel" in the image of a Neo-Hegelian heresy, especially since many of them were atheists or agnostics?

    Also why would anyone want to live the Holy Land of ticky tacky apartments, freeways, walls and so forth? Kibbutz perhaps one can understand, farming like the Palestinian peasants, right? Netanyahuesque real estate speculators' pigeon holes?

    Well I’ll grant that those escaping the shtetl had one thing in common with the Palestinian refugees’ descendants. That is an embarrassingly high fertility which was perhaps even more of a problem for them than those for whom the UN organises sustenance and shelter. But that is about as far as your comparison is useful. Palestine had a lot of underused land when the first Zionists arrived. Not true today of Israel apart from parts of the Negev. Small holdings and small scale co-operatives were an aspirational novelty as well as subject for romantic nostalgia 100 plus years ago for often illiterate, often intellectual socialist Jews. The situation of Palestinians in their diaspora or benefiting (somewhat) from the post WW2 refugee convention is very different.

    As to your point about olives, as it happens I do know a bit about olives having chosen and planted quite a few by hand and picked the fruit. And your point about peasant farmers and olive trees directly contradicts your argument. Why would prople living poor but modern lives in towns or equivalently large refugee camps for three generations consider a deal which would allow those of them descended from olive owning peasants to plant small plantatations of olives which might, in 20 years time, begin to support a small fraction of the now extended family?

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    "Palestine had a lot of underused land when the first Zionists arrived"

    You realize, one is sure, that is straight John Locke, right? "Improvement", jeje.

    Will, say, Sandburg Village and Trump Tower be airlifted or carried by ship to ersatz Israel, or is replicating them sufficient, as is now the case?

    The younger Netanyahu, one suspects, was already covertly a bit jealous of his close friend Señor Trump, during the latter's salad days. But he picked up enough, obviously, to master a strictly State Capitalist US-subsidized version of real estate speculation, eh?

    Did Señor Trump pick up the "seduction by furniture store shopping" from Señor Bibi, do you think?
  150. I wonder if it is time to cleanse official positions of “foreign agents” yet.

    And “the press” worries about Russia…. (now Obama has announced “retaliation” for the clear-and-present influencing of US elections; this means there will be “events” in Russia in the next two weeks and maybe a few dead-by-terrorist ambassadors too; I wonder what the return ticket will be)

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  151. @Paul C.
    The private bankers that conspired and created the unconstitutional Federal Reserve, control our currency and have an infinite supply of money. They own the United States (which was turned into a corporation in 1871). They own our gov't, media, medical establishment and all major institutions. They created Israel and wreak havoc on the world in the form of wars. They control all the central banks (except for North Korea, Iran and Cuba) and therefore control the world.

    They're in the process of culling the world population through chemtrails, vaccines and wars. We need a worldwide awakening and revolution to take control back. There's billions of us but unfortunately everyone is asleep.

    What is the argument of constitutional law which justifies the statement that the Federal Reserve is uncontitutional?

    Has that argument ever been tested in the courts? If not why not?

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    • Replies: @Paul C.
    In Article 1, Section 8, Clause 5 of the U.S. Constitution, it specifically confers on Congress the express powers to coin money and regulate the value of it.

    It does not grant the power to establish a private central bank (with stock holders as the owners).

    At quick glance, it looks as if there are only lawsuits on the basis of paper money vs. coins. The constitution cites coinage and some legal cases say paper legal tender is unconstitutional.

    My hunch is that any serious legal threat to the Federal Reserve would be met with loss of life.
  152. @KenH

    Süleyman the Magnificent invites Jewish refugees from the Spanish expulsion to settle in his realm. Jerusalem
     
    So Suleiman the Mag was a lover and not a fighter? IMO, he had an ulterior motive since Jews possessed wealth, education and influence in Europe which could benefit the Ottoman Empire. I doubt it was because he was committed to religious tolerance and pluralism.

    Spanish Jewish expellees were also welcomed by other Christian states like England, France, and Holland, so it wasn't as if Christian Europe slammed the door shut on Jews. Only Spain did and it appears with pretty good reason depending on the historical account(s) once chooses to believe.

    Some Muslims, blaming Jews for their own declining fortunes, committed atrocities against those making their journey to the coastal areas where ships would take them to other Christian states or places controlled by the Ottoman Empire. The Spanish Christians did little to protect them.

    I am surprised that you say Spanish Jews went to England and France. The Netherlands very likely but my recollection is that there were practically no Jews in England from their expulsion in the late 13th century until readmission under Cromwell. (I recall that some Jewish physician got blamed for something under Queen Elizabeth but he was no doubt blamed for misrepresenting the unique skills which justified his residency).

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    You could be right and I remembered that after my post, but also recall reading somewhere years ago that small number of them were still able to sneak into England between the Spanish expulsion and their formal readmission in 1656. Kind of like how the U.S. has laws against illegal aliens being here yet we have millions of them (likely tens of millions).
  153. @Svigor

    Not really sure what this means.
     
    I'm not surprised. I can't play the obtuse role, so I'll just skip your comment instead.

    Reading your comments, it often seems like there’s a reasonable person struggling to get out underneath a bitter liar who resorts to ludicrous Procrustean logic chopping whenever pressed to defend his false claims.

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  154. @Mao Cheng Ji

    Who wants to live in a village these days?
     
    Whoa, what a way to miss the point. For all I care, they can build a super-futuristic metropolis, if they prefer; the point is that the region's native people should be in control of their land; not exactly a novel or controversial concept.

    It's just that over 400 Palestinian villages have been depopulated and about a hundred of them destroyed by European settler-colonists since 1948...

    OK -I won’t stop to question anything about your last paragraph but do ask that you flavour your suggestions with realism and perhaps work into any ethical argument some arguably relevant principles like those underlying statutes of limitations and prescriptive titles.

    And it would be interesting to know how your suggested principles might apply to very many other occupations extending back to …. whatever date you choose to justify …. including Tibet, Taiwan, West Irian, Crimea, Goa, Matabeleland, Western Sahara, Northern Cyprus, Amazonia etc etc.

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    • Replies: @Mao Cheng Ji

    And it would be interesting to know how your suggested principles might apply
     
    As far as I'm aware, Israel is the only active case of Western settler colonialism today. If you know of any other case, name it.
  155. @Talha
    Hey iffen,

    I was upset about his "only" remark. If his remarks insinuate that they plan to eventually drive out Muslims from the city so that is it is for "only the Jewish people" - then that is utterly contemptible. Especially given the history:
    "Playing to messianic expectations rampant among 16th-century Jews, Sultan Süleyman the Magnificent invites Jewish refugees from the Spanish expulsion to settle in his realm. Jerusalem, already an established center of mystics, becomes a magnet for pious Jewish settlers who flock here in greater numbers for the first time since antiquity."
    http://www.bu.edu/mzank/Jerusalem/p/period6-3.htm

    Peace.

    Reality.

    1948-1967. During the Jordanian occupation of East Jerusalem, all Jewish residents were expelled, Jewish access to holy sites was forbidden, all synagogues were destroyed and their stones were used for public latrines.

    1967- Present. After the liberation of the undivided capital of the Jewish people. Muslims live in East Jerusalem, they retain ownership of and access to all their holy sites, freedom of religion of all is respected, with the exception of Jews who are not allowed to pray on the temple mount, in violation of the Israeli constitution. By way of thankyou for the undeserved magnanimity of the Israeli government, Jerusalem’s Muslims use their “holy” Al Aqsa to hold frequent riots, sometimes throwing Molotov cocktails into the Western Wall plaza.

    But biting the hand that feeds you whilst lying about it is just what Muslims do, always and everywhere.

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    Hey Gabriel,

    Citations would be nice.

    But see my comment to KenH. If that happened or is happening - then it is a gross violation of the historic trust we have over administration of those lands and sites. The Muslims who are doing that are condemned by their own sacred law for those violations. As I said, I like Arab nationalism as much as Jewish kind.

    But biting the hand that feeds you whilst lying about it is just what Muslims do, always and everywhere.
     
    I keep on hearing similar claims about Jews - but I know better than to pay such nonsense any attention.

    Peace.
  156. @Lot

    How do you think Christians 1000 years ago would have looked on the Holy Land being occupied by a Jewish state?
     
    They would have preferred it to Islamic rule and viewed it as in accordance with the Bible.

    Hey Lot,

    From a historical basis; every time the Christians (Antiquity or Medieval) got hold of the cities of the Holy Land it usually did not turn out well for the Jews. Here are some citations I’ve made before…

    Taking just the city of Jerusalem as an example, here is what journalist and historian Nissim Rejwan (an Iraqi Jew) wrote about the phenomenon:
    “It is interest to note here that, as far as Palestine is concerned, the right of Jews to ‘return’ to live in this small area of land was accepted by all successive Muslim rulers from the Muslim conquest to the end of the nineteenth century, when Zionist settlement there became entangled in European weltpolitik. Gibb and Bowen relate how, when the Jews of Europe ‘learned of the paradisiacal life awaiting them in Turkey’ and many of them set out for Palestine, it was not the Muslims who objected but the [Christian] Franciscans of Jerusalem, ‘who talked the Pope into forbidding the Venetians to carry Jewish passengers to the Holy Land.’ This was not the first time Jerusalem Christians tried to prevail on Muslim rulers to ban Jews from living in the city. A similar attempt was made first when the second Caliph, Omar, entered Jerusalem at the time of its conquest by the Muslim army in the seventh century, and again when Salah ad-Din [Saladin] drove out the Crusaders in the twelfth. On both of these occasions, the Christian patriarch of the city tried to persuade the Muslim conquerors to prevent Jews from living in or (as in the latter case) returning to Jerusalem after they had been expelled from it by the Christians. Both Omar and Salah ad-Din refused to heed their pleas.”
    Israel’s Place in the Middle East: A Pluralist Perspective

    The ban that Umar (ra) lifted had been in place for 500 years:
    “Umar fulfilled the hopes of Jews by refusing the church’s request to continue the ban against Jewish residence and inviting them back into the city. In the seventh century, as Jerusalem came into Muslim hands, the ban on Jewish residence was lifted. After approximately 500 years of being Judenrein, Jerusalem again included a Jewish community. Jews long banned from living in Jerusalem by Christian rulers, were permitted to return, live, and worship in the city of Solomon and David.”

    http://www1.american.edu/ted/hpages/jeruselum/muslim.htm

    “Omar permitted the Jews to reestablish their presence in Jerusalem–after a lapse of 500 years…Jewish tradition regards Omar as a benevolent ruler…”

    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/judaica/ejud_0002_0015_0_15096.html

    Peace.

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    I agree that during that era, Jews were better treated by Muslims than the Crusader Kingdoms.
  157. @Lot

    How do you think Christians 1000 years ago would have looked on the Holy Land being occupied by a Jewish state?
     
    They would have preferred it to Islamic rule and viewed it as in accordance with the Bible.

    Stupid question, stupid answer. Apart from anything else, the Crusaders wouldn’t consider the Protestant population of the US to be legitimate Christians. I doubt they’d consider the Pope to be a Christian. What is the point in talking about stupid stuff like this? Is Bibi going to sack Venice or something?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sack_of_Constantinople_(1204)

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  158. @Karl
    > continue to subsidize Greater Israel…

    if that money gets cut off.... fine with me, as long as you ALSO stop giving money & guns to our neighbors. Use the money to pay down your debt. History teaches us that merely paying of 1% of a debt can turn things around, a LOT.

    > and send off their teenage sons to die as canon fodder for Greater Israel?

    one of the favorite themes here. We didn't directly gain anything from your Iraq or Afghanistan adventures. It is possible to posit second-order and third-order effects that were helpful to us..... however comma, i don't think anyone can accurately measure those.

    We get a LOT more results from dealing with those sorts of people ourselves, quietly. Consider the cases of two Muslim countries: Azerbaijan & Khazakhstan. Cureently de-facto aligned with us..... That was OUR foreign ministry, every step of the way.

    By the way Talha, we have PLENTY of Muslims in the IDF and EVEN MORE in the Border Police. The only point of contention is YOUR refusal to stop, stopping Jews from praying on the Temple Mount. Even just closing your eyes and standing still up there, gets a Jew arrested by the Muslim Police.

    There wasn't one American soldier's downrange deployment which cut even ONE DAY off the reserve duty Israelis still need to do to man checkpoints. Our problem is the Palestinians. Whatever happens in Anbar province or Kandahar province doesn't change the daily reality of needing to put these Palestinians through metal-detectors to find knives. It just doesn't.

    Hey Karl,

    we have PLENTY of Muslims in the IDF and EVEN MORE in the Border Police

    Yes the Circassians (being the tough Caucasians that they are) have historically been some of our toughest fighters too. Anybody who doesn’t take advantage of the martial prowess is wasting good material.

    The only point of contention is YOUR refusal to stop, stopping Jews from praying on the Temple Mount.

    I don’t refuse them anything. That land is supposed to be shared as well as the Holy sites. I think this is deplorable if it is happening – I’m sure accommodations can be made from a logistical perspective so the Palestinian authorities should make it so. I like Arab nationalism and supremacy about as much as I do the Jewish kind.

    A citation about this legal restriction would be much appreciated.

    Peace.

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    A citation about this legal restriction would be much appreciated.
     
    I can give you a personal citation.

    I visited the temple mount with a friend on the morning of his wedding. First we were searched, reasonably enough, for weapons. Then we had a second search for prayer articles. For instance, they checked my wallet to see that I didn't have a copy of Psalms or grace after meals. Also, as normal, we weren't allowed to take water with us since we would make a blessing on it. While on the temple mount we were surrounded by armed (Israeli) guards with their Uzis pointed inwards at us. I briefly kissed a rock with my hands and was a reprimanded by a soldier. All the time leering Arabs filmed us on behalf on one of the thousands of NGOs that infest this country whilst Arab women shouted abuse (my Arabic is remedial, but I know well enough what Yahud means). Whilst leaving I bowed slightly and was arrested. They let me go pretty quickly though I had to return and sign a statement saying I would never attempt to pray at the Temple Mount again.

    Anyway, if you were generally curious about the ban on Jewish prayer on our temple that you stole, you could just use google. Instead of telling everyone how reasonable Muslims are and how their misbehavior is always someone else's fault, why don't you devote your energies to actually encouraging your fellow Muslims to actually acting reasonably. If you did that the following list would be a hell of a lot shorter.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_armed_conflicts
  159. @Alden
    Average JEWISH IQ in Israel is something like 95. It will get lower because the hasids have most of the children and their state supported religious schools don't go further than 4th grade

    The basis kids don't learn math much beyond 4 the grade. All the girls need to know is how to cook, have babies and go to the benefits office.
    All the boys need to do us learn to read so they can spend the rest of their lives studying religion

    Since the descendants of Russian commie Zionists have few kids and the various sects of looney orthodox have most of the kids Israeli IQ will get lower each generation

    Not much lower probably because those descendants of the late Medieval hasids largely preserve the good genes (don’t hold me to precise knowledge of Jewish history but my understanding is that the selection for cognitive abilities ended by about 1650 when Askenazi population growth meant there were many more young people than could make money as bankers, merchants or estate managers and that at about the same time the Hasidic emotional forms of Judaism took off). The very large families of Haredim (I may be confused but aren’t they sometimes caĺled Ultra Orthodox?) are so inbred in Israel that they have lots of retarded children but thatof course doesn’t prevent the other children preserving and reproducing the good genes.

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  160. @jacques sheete
    And you have the gall to suggest trolling...

    I would challenge you to justify the suggestion of trolling except that you are so clearly trying to divert attention from your having just blurted out whatever rubbish popped into your head on a subject of which you knew bugger all. You make no attempt to justify your crude bluster to which I was replying with questions designed to elucidate what you meant and in a later post make it even clearer that you are ignorant of what you claim to have an opinion about by failing to note that the Peace Prize is awarded by the Norwegians, not the Swedes!

    Better to stop digging.

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  161. @KenH

    Süleyman the Magnificent invites Jewish refugees from the Spanish expulsion to settle in his realm. Jerusalem
     
    So Suleiman the Mag was a lover and not a fighter? IMO, he had an ulterior motive since Jews possessed wealth, education and influence in Europe which could benefit the Ottoman Empire. I doubt it was because he was committed to religious tolerance and pluralism.

    Spanish Jewish expellees were also welcomed by other Christian states like England, France, and Holland, so it wasn't as if Christian Europe slammed the door shut on Jews. Only Spain did and it appears with pretty good reason depending on the historical account(s) once chooses to believe.

    Some Muslims, blaming Jews for their own declining fortunes, committed atrocities against those making their journey to the coastal areas where ships would take them to other Christian states or places controlled by the Ottoman Empire. The Spanish Christians did little to protect them.

    Hey KenH,

    So Suleiman the Mag was a lover and not a fighter?

    He was both; the number of concubines those sultans had – let me tell ya! I think the citation already states ‘Playing to Messianic expectations…’ which connotes ulterior motives.

    I doubt it was because he was committed to religious tolerance and pluralism.

    You have that wrong – those policies were good for commerce and taxation; the sultans took full advantage:
    “For a long time the Ottoman empire was a relatively benign regime. In the sixteenth and seventeenth century, as the kings of Christian Europe were burning heretics at the stake, the sultans saw to it that the various religions in their empire were protected from each other…It was a regime of material self-interest, designed to increase the wealth and power of the Ottoman dynasty, but taxes were not very burdensome and some of the empire’s great wealth filtered back to the subject populations.”

    https://my.vanderbilt.edu/robertdrews/files/2014/01/Chapter-Thirty.-The-Ottoman-Empire-Judaism-and-Eastern-Europe-to-1648.pdf

    Spanish Jewish expellees were also welcomed by other Christian states like England, France, and Holland, so it wasn’t as if Christian Europe slammed the door shut on Jews.

    Never implied that, but what does this have to do with the discussion of Palestine? I could also cite that the same Jews settled in Morocco and Egypt – but, who cares?

    Some Muslims, blaming Jews for their own declining fortunes, committed atrocities against those making their journey to the coastal areas where ships would take them to other Christian states or places controlled by the Ottoman Empire.

    Citation would be nice, but let’s take it at face value that ignorant Muslim mobs committed violence to minorities as they do today.

    It would not be surprising that his predecessor, the Caliph Beyazid II, who took in Jewish refugees from the original ejection from Spain sent the royal navy to help pick them up under royal protection:
    “During the years 1490 to 1497 Sultan Bayezid II accepted the exiled Jews from Italy, Spain and Portugal. In 1492 Kemal Reis and his fleet were sent to Cadiz to take the Jews in charge…The last lot of Jews gathered in the port of Cadiz faced a dilemma: Those who left port were attacked by the pirates, those who went on land were burned at the stake by the inquisition. About a thousand people waited in anguish. At the last minute arrived a small fleet manned by the Turkish admiral Kemal Reis who took the refugees under his protection.”

    http://www.sephardicstudies.org/sultans1.html

    He also issued an edict to stop harassment, which would not have been necessary had it not been a potential problem:
    “The Grand Rabbi Moshe Kapsali (1420-1495), leader of the Jewish Nation, who resided in Constantinople and enjoyed favor of the Imperial Court, had obtained from the Sultan a firmanwhereby the ‘penalty of death’ was decreed against anyone who would dare to mistreat them (the Sephardi immigrants) or cause the slightest injury.”
    History of the Turkish Jews and Sephardim: Memories of a Past Golden Age

    Peace.

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    Never implied that, but what does this have to do with the discussion of Palestine?
     
    Nothing but you brought the subject up. I was just trying to add a little balance to things.

    Citation would be nice, but let’s take it at face value that ignorant Muslim mobs committed violence to minorities as they do today.
     
    See the book titled The Last Crusader: Isabella of Spain for an account.
    http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1153174.Isabella_Of_Spain

    Regarding the "sephardstudies.org" link, no doubt Turkish Muslim fleets picked up Jews at Cadiz and other places, but the rest of the account seems to be highly partisan and propagandistic (appears to be a Jewish source). I haven't studied the minutiae of that time, but it's likely the Jews made a payment to the Ottomans for their assistance or there was a quid pro quo arrangement of some sort since altruism simply wasn't in the DNA of the Muslim Ottomans. And there's no accounts I know of where Spanish Christians were waiting on shore with flammable material in which to summarily immolate Jews who didn't board the Muslim vessels.

    Makes for sexy atrocity propaganda, though.

  162. @Gabriel M
    Reality.

    1948-1967. During the Jordanian occupation of East Jerusalem, all Jewish residents were expelled, Jewish access to holy sites was forbidden, all synagogues were destroyed and their stones were used for public latrines.

    1967- Present. After the liberation of the undivided capital of the Jewish people. Muslims live in East Jerusalem, they retain ownership of and access to all their holy sites, freedom of religion of all is respected, with the exception of Jews who are not allowed to pray on the temple mount, in violation of the Israeli constitution. By way of thankyou for the undeserved magnanimity of the Israeli government, Jerusalem's Muslims use their "holy" Al Aqsa to hold frequent riots, sometimes throwing Molotov cocktails into the Western Wall plaza.

    But biting the hand that feeds you whilst lying about it is just what Muslims do, always and everywhere.

    Hey Gabriel,

    Citations would be nice.

    But see my comment to KenH. If that happened or is happening – then it is a gross violation of the historic trust we have over administration of those lands and sites. The Muslims who are doing that are condemned by their own sacred law for those violations. As I said, I like Arab nationalism as much as Jewish kind.

    But biting the hand that feeds you whilst lying about it is just what Muslims do, always and everywhere.

    I keep on hearing similar claims about Jews – but I know better than to pay such nonsense any attention.

    Peace.

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  163. @LondonBob
    I agree, we will find out once in office. Trump is an America first guy, this will inevitably clash with Zionist interests, already has over Syria, Russia etc. The Iran stuff is just rhetoric. Bolton won't be getting a position, nor are any other neocons.

    Could have written a column at this point when JFK was President elect saying he was servile to Zionist interests, nothing could have been further from the truth once he assumed office.

    Opinion is changing – I remember on a forum such as this when there would be only a couple of comments critical of Israel. Now, such comments are sometimes the majority – comments excusing/glorifying Israel’s racism and land-theft are becoming the minority, and a hysterical minority at that making little sense. Of course, people willing to comment on public forums, are not the whole electorate, but they are usually on the front edge of public opinion, and that is moving against Zionism. The politicians will lag, because they are not the smartest and they are always looking for a bribe (e.g. the Clintons). I wouldn’t put Trump in this category. When he figures out that backing the racism and the land-theft of the Zionists is a losing position, he will be the next target of Netanyahu’s temper tantrums.
    The Sun is setting on racist Imperial Israel, and I don’t believe that any celestial being is going to interfere.

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  164. @Wizard of Oz
    OK -I won't stop to question anything about your last paragraph but do ask that you flavour your suggestions with realism and perhaps work into any ethical argument some arguably relevant principles like those underlying statutes of limitations and prescriptive titles.

    And it would be interesting to know how your suggested principles might apply to very many other occupations extending back to .... whatever date you choose to justify .... including Tibet, Taiwan, West Irian, Crimea, Goa, Matabeleland, Western Sahara, Northern Cyprus, Amazonia etc etc.

    And it would be interesting to know how your suggested principles might apply

    As far as I’m aware, Israel is the only active case of Western settler colonialism today. If you know of any other case, name it.

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    So you are only referring to the West Bank? And you put Israel with its UN recognised boundaries as on the same footing, though older, as Tibet with its Han settlers and West Irian with its Javanese settlers?

    Why are you only concerned by European origin settlement?
  165. @Karl
    > continue to subsidize Greater Israel…

    if that money gets cut off.... fine with me, as long as you ALSO stop giving money & guns to our neighbors. Use the money to pay down your debt. History teaches us that merely paying of 1% of a debt can turn things around, a LOT.

    > and send off their teenage sons to die as canon fodder for Greater Israel?

    one of the favorite themes here. We didn't directly gain anything from your Iraq or Afghanistan adventures. It is possible to posit second-order and third-order effects that were helpful to us..... however comma, i don't think anyone can accurately measure those.

    We get a LOT more results from dealing with those sorts of people ourselves, quietly. Consider the cases of two Muslim countries: Azerbaijan & Khazakhstan. Cureently de-facto aligned with us..... That was OUR foreign ministry, every step of the way.

    By the way Talha, we have PLENTY of Muslims in the IDF and EVEN MORE in the Border Police. The only point of contention is YOUR refusal to stop, stopping Jews from praying on the Temple Mount. Even just closing your eyes and standing still up there, gets a Jew arrested by the Muslim Police.

    There wasn't one American soldier's downrange deployment which cut even ONE DAY off the reserve duty Israelis still need to do to man checkpoints. Our problem is the Palestinians. Whatever happens in Anbar province or Kandahar province doesn't change the daily reality of needing to put these Palestinians through metal-detectors to find knives. It just doesn't.

    one of the favorite themes here. We didn’t directly gain anything from your Iraq or Afghanistan adventures. It is possible to posit second-order and third-order effects that were helpful to us….. however comma, i don’t think anyone can accurately measure those.

    According to Profs. Mearsheimer and Walt:

    Israel’s enthusiasm for war eventually led some of its allies in America to tell Israeli officials to damp down their hawkish rhetoric, lest the war look like it was being fought for Israel. In the fall of 2002, for example, a group of American political consultants known as the Israel Project circulated a six-page memorandum to key Israelis and pro-Israel leaders in the United States. The memo was titled “Talking about Iraq” and was intended as a guide for public statements about the war. “If your goal is regime change, you must be much more careful with your language because of the potential backlash. You do not want Americans to believe that the war on Iraq is being waged to protect Israel rather than to protect America.”

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  166. @Talha
    Hey Karl,

    we have PLENTY of Muslims in the IDF and EVEN MORE in the Border Police
     
    Yes the Circassians (being the tough Caucasians that they are) have historically been some of our toughest fighters too. Anybody who doesn't take advantage of the martial prowess is wasting good material.

    The only point of contention is YOUR refusal to stop, stopping Jews from praying on the Temple Mount.
     
    I don't refuse them anything. That land is supposed to be shared as well as the Holy sites. I think this is deplorable if it is happening - I'm sure accommodations can be made from a logistical perspective so the Palestinian authorities should make it so. I like Arab nationalism and supremacy about as much as I do the Jewish kind.

    A citation about this legal restriction would be much appreciated.

    Peace.

    A citation about this legal restriction would be much appreciated.

    I can give you a personal citation.

    I visited the temple mount with a friend on the morning of his wedding. First we were searched, reasonably enough, for weapons. Then we had a second search for prayer articles. For instance, they checked my wallet to see that I didn’t have a copy of Psalms or grace after meals. Also, as normal, we weren’t allowed to take water with us since we would make a blessing on it. While on the temple mount we were surrounded by armed (Israeli) guards with their Uzis pointed inwards at us. I briefly kissed a rock with my hands and was a reprimanded by a soldier. All the time leering Arabs filmed us on behalf on one of the thousands of NGOs that infest this country whilst Arab women shouted abuse (my Arabic is remedial, but I know well enough what Yahud means). Whilst leaving I bowed slightly and was arrested. They let me go pretty quickly though I had to return and sign a statement saying I would never attempt to pray at the Temple Mount again.

    Anyway, if you were generally curious about the ban on Jewish prayer on our temple that you stole, you could just use google. Instead of telling everyone how reasonable Muslims are and how their misbehavior is always someone else’s fault, why don’t you devote your energies to actually encouraging your fellow Muslims to actually acting reasonably. If you did that the following list would be a hell of a lot shorter.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_armed_conflicts

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    P.S. This is how Palestinians treat Jewish holy sites today whilst under this terrible occupation they find so onerous, but we should give them East Jerusalem too because of some stuff that Talha said about what happened 500 years ago.

    http://www.takeapen.org/Takeapen/Templates/showpage.asp?DBID=1&LNGID=1&TMID=84&FID=954
    , @Talha
    Hey Gabriel,

    Like I said, I don't think Muslims have a right to prohibit Jews from praying at their sacred sites as long as it can be reasonably accommodated. So you were harassed by armed Israeli guards? Interesting...


    on our temple that you stole
     
    Ummm, that was the Romans. And then the Byzantines banned your folk for centuries until our folks beat their armies and garrisons back and let you back in. That is according to your own historians - see my citations. Feel free to cite evidence that Muslims historically prevented Jews from praying at the Temple Mount before all this modern-day Israeli nonsense erupted. Academic sources, please. And, as I keep stating, modern day Muslim governments should not be preventing Jews from praying there - it is not their right.

    how reasonable Muslims are
     
    Some are quite reasonable, some obviously aren't.

    how their misbehavior is always someone else’s fault
     
    Our misbehavior is indeed our fault, your misbehavior is indeed yours.

    That list would also be shorter if the US government did not have an idiotic foreign policy - often set by neo-Conservatives - who have quite a lot of your folk in their cadre. Or do you think Iraq just pulled itself apart out of the blue? We need to work on our murderous and callous people, you need to work on yours.

    Peace.

    , @Alden
    If you don't mind me asking, why did you go to the Temple Mount? I gather you are an Israeli Jew.
  167. @Wizard of Oz
    I am surprised that you say Spanish Jews went to England and France. The Netherlands very likely but my recollection is that there were practically no Jews in England from their expulsion in the late 13th century until readmission under Cromwell. (I recall that some Jewish physician got blamed for something under Queen Elizabeth but he was no doubt blamed for misrepresenting the unique skills which justified his residency).

    You could be right and I remembered that after my post, but also recall reading somewhere years ago that small number of them were still able to sneak into England between the Spanish expulsion and their formal readmission in 1656. Kind of like how the U.S. has laws against illegal aliens being here yet we have millions of them (likely tens of millions).

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  168. @Gabriel M

    A citation about this legal restriction would be much appreciated.
     
    I can give you a personal citation.

    I visited the temple mount with a friend on the morning of his wedding. First we were searched, reasonably enough, for weapons. Then we had a second search for prayer articles. For instance, they checked my wallet to see that I didn't have a copy of Psalms or grace after meals. Also, as normal, we weren't allowed to take water with us since we would make a blessing on it. While on the temple mount we were surrounded by armed (Israeli) guards with their Uzis pointed inwards at us. I briefly kissed a rock with my hands and was a reprimanded by a soldier. All the time leering Arabs filmed us on behalf on one of the thousands of NGOs that infest this country whilst Arab women shouted abuse (my Arabic is remedial, but I know well enough what Yahud means). Whilst leaving I bowed slightly and was arrested. They let me go pretty quickly though I had to return and sign a statement saying I would never attempt to pray at the Temple Mount again.

    Anyway, if you were generally curious about the ban on Jewish prayer on our temple that you stole, you could just use google. Instead of telling everyone how reasonable Muslims are and how their misbehavior is always someone else's fault, why don't you devote your energies to actually encouraging your fellow Muslims to actually acting reasonably. If you did that the following list would be a hell of a lot shorter.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_armed_conflicts

    P.S. This is how Palestinians treat Jewish holy sites today whilst under this terrible occupation they find so onerous, but we should give them East Jerusalem too because of some stuff that Talha said about what happened 500 years ago.

    http://www.takeapen.org/Takeapen/Templates/showpage.asp?DBID=1&LNGID=1&TMID=84&FID=954

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    Hey Gabriel,

    Go up the thread and actually read what I said was the specific issue I had with Friedman's statement and what I recommended that people should adhere to.

    Don't read a bunch of stuff into my statements that I never made and definitely don't put words in my mouth - that is just decent etiquette.

    But yes, if you or anybody else is going to try to rewrite history on this matter (including those who don't recognize that rabid Arab nationalism - or extremism - of the post-colonial era had a lot to do with why Jews left their ancestral homelands like Iraq, Yemen, Algeria, etc.) - then yes, expect push back from me.

    Peace

  169. @Gabriel M

    A citation about this legal restriction would be much appreciated.
     
    I can give you a personal citation.

    I visited the temple mount with a friend on the morning of his wedding. First we were searched, reasonably enough, for weapons. Then we had a second search for prayer articles. For instance, they checked my wallet to see that I didn't have a copy of Psalms or grace after meals. Also, as normal, we weren't allowed to take water with us since we would make a blessing on it. While on the temple mount we were surrounded by armed (Israeli) guards with their Uzis pointed inwards at us. I briefly kissed a rock with my hands and was a reprimanded by a soldier. All the time leering Arabs filmed us on behalf on one of the thousands of NGOs that infest this country whilst Arab women shouted abuse (my Arabic is remedial, but I know well enough what Yahud means). Whilst leaving I bowed slightly and was arrested. They let me go pretty quickly though I had to return and sign a statement saying I would never attempt to pray at the Temple Mount again.

    Anyway, if you were generally curious about the ban on Jewish prayer on our temple that you stole, you could just use google. Instead of telling everyone how reasonable Muslims are and how their misbehavior is always someone else's fault, why don't you devote your energies to actually encouraging your fellow Muslims to actually acting reasonably. If you did that the following list would be a hell of a lot shorter.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_armed_conflicts

    Hey Gabriel,

    Like I said, I don’t think Muslims have a right to prohibit Jews from praying at their sacred sites as long as it can be reasonably accommodated. So you were harassed by armed Israeli guards? Interesting…

    on our temple that you stole

    Ummm, that was the Romans. And then the Byzantines banned your folk for centuries until our folks beat their armies and garrisons back and let you back in. That is according to your own historians – see my citations. Feel free to cite evidence that Muslims historically prevented Jews from praying at the Temple Mount before all this modern-day Israeli nonsense erupted. Academic sources, please. And, as I keep stating, modern day Muslim governments should not be preventing Jews from praying there – it is not their right.

    how reasonable Muslims are

    Some are quite reasonable, some obviously aren’t.

    how their misbehavior is always someone else’s fault

    Our misbehavior is indeed our fault, your misbehavior is indeed yours.

    That list would also be shorter if the US government did not have an idiotic foreign policy – often set by neo-Conservatives – who have quite a lot of your folk in their cadre. Or do you think Iraq just pulled itself apart out of the blue? We need to work on our murderous and callous people, you need to work on yours.

    Peace.

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    [Ummm, that was the Romans. And then the Byzantines banned your folk for centuries until our folks beat their armies and garrisons back and let you back in. That is according to your own historians – see my citations.]

    I'm afraid this is nonsense, Talha. In rightfully rejecting Zionist slander against Muslims, you should not be ready to accept Zionist slander against anybody else.
  170. @Talha
    Hey Lot,

    From a historical basis; every time the Christians (Antiquity or Medieval) got hold of the cities of the Holy Land it usually did not turn out well for the Jews. Here are some citations I've made before...

    Taking just the city of Jerusalem as an example, here is what journalist and historian Nissim Rejwan (an Iraqi Jew) wrote about the phenomenon:
    “It is interest to note here that, as far as Palestine is concerned, the right of Jews to ‘return’ to live in this small area of land was accepted by all successive Muslim rulers from the Muslim conquest to the end of the nineteenth century, when Zionist settlement there became entangled in European weltpolitik. Gibb and Bowen relate how, when the Jews of Europe ‘learned of the paradisiacal life awaiting them in Turkey’ and many of them set out for Palestine, it was not the Muslims who objected but the [Christian] Franciscans of Jerusalem, ‘who talked the Pope into forbidding the Venetians to carry Jewish passengers to the Holy Land.’ This was not the first time Jerusalem Christians tried to prevail on Muslim rulers to ban Jews from living in the city. A similar attempt was made first when the second Caliph, Omar, entered Jerusalem at the time of its conquest by the Muslim army in the seventh century, and again when Salah ad-Din [Saladin] drove out the Crusaders in the twelfth. On both of these occasions, the Christian patriarch of the city tried to persuade the Muslim conquerors to prevent Jews from living in or (as in the latter case) returning to Jerusalem after they had been expelled from it by the Christians. Both Omar and Salah ad-Din refused to heed their pleas.”
    Israel’s Place in the Middle East: A Pluralist Perspective

    The ban that Umar (ra) lifted had been in place for 500 years:
    “Umar fulfilled the hopes of Jews by refusing the church’s request to continue the ban against Jewish residence and inviting them back into the city. In the seventh century, as Jerusalem came into Muslim hands, the ban on Jewish residence was lifted. After approximately 500 years of being Judenrein, Jerusalem again included a Jewish community. Jews long banned from living in Jerusalem by Christian rulers, were permitted to return, live, and worship in the city of Solomon and David.”
    http://www1.american.edu/ted/hpages/jeruselum/muslim.htm

    “Omar permitted the Jews to reestablish their presence in Jerusalem–after a lapse of 500 years…Jewish tradition regards Omar as a benevolent ruler…”
    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/judaica/ejud_0002_0015_0_15096.html

    Peace.

    I agree that during that era, Jews were better treated by Muslims than the Crusader Kingdoms.

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  171. @Paul C.
    The private bankers that conspired and created the unconstitutional Federal Reserve, control our currency and have an infinite supply of money. They own the United States (which was turned into a corporation in 1871). They own our gov't, media, medical establishment and all major institutions. They created Israel and wreak havoc on the world in the form of wars. They control all the central banks (except for North Korea, Iran and Cuba) and therefore control the world.

    They're in the process of culling the world population through chemtrails, vaccines and wars. We need a worldwide awakening and revolution to take control back. There's billions of us but unfortunately everyone is asleep.

    They (jews) control all the central banks (except for North Korea, Iran and Cuba) and therefore control the world.

    The Brits are building a steel mote around Rothschild in London. Got to protect the Jew and his money.

    The city of London is planning to protect its financial district and skyscrapers with a “ring of steel”

    The $6.14 million plan proposed by the Corporation of London would create a protective ring bordering Liverpool Street, the Bank of England and Fenchurch Street, the Telegraph reports. The area is home to some of the city’s newest and most dramatic skyscrapers.

    https://sputniknews.com/europe/201612251048968047-new-ring-of-steel-london/

    Sadly – you can only get this in the Russian media.

    Peace — Art

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  172. @Gabriel M
    P.S. This is how Palestinians treat Jewish holy sites today whilst under this terrible occupation they find so onerous, but we should give them East Jerusalem too because of some stuff that Talha said about what happened 500 years ago.

    http://www.takeapen.org/Takeapen/Templates/showpage.asp?DBID=1&LNGID=1&TMID=84&FID=954

    Hey Gabriel,

    Go up the thread and actually read what I said was the specific issue I had with Friedman’s statement and what I recommended that people should adhere to.

    Don’t read a bunch of stuff into my statements that I never made and definitely don’t put words in my mouth – that is just decent etiquette.

    But yes, if you or anybody else is going to try to rewrite history on this matter (including those who don’t recognize that rabid Arab nationalism – or extremism – of the post-colonial era had a lot to do with why Jews left their ancestral homelands like Iraq, Yemen, Algeria, etc.) – then yes, expect push back from me.

    Peace

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    Friedman's statement has an obvious meaning: Jerusalem is the capital of Israel and should not be the capital of any other country. The fact that you would interpret this as him advocating expelling Muslims or denying them access to their holy sites is a clear and obvious example of paranoid projection. Whenever Muslims have the chance they deny Jews access to their holy sites, or actually destroy them.

    As for stealing our temple. It's a fact, you built a Mosque on the site of our Temple. You seem to think this kind of behaviour (like claiming Moses is a prophet of Islam and we falsified our scriptures to cover this up) is normal. It's not normal. Obviously, you didn't take the physical patch of land from us, but you took it from us by building a Mosque there and claiming it as a holy site for your religion.

    To give you an analogy. Imagine that your worst nightmares came true and Mecca was conquered by Israel which, after a few pesky rebellions ruthlessly suppresses the Islamic religion and deports large swathes of the Muslim population. Then hundreds of years later Mecca was conquered by Japan, which built a Shinto shrine on top of the Kaaba and claimed that Muhammed was a prophet of Shintoism, whilst easing up restrictions of Muslims somewhat. Hundreds of years later Muslims reconquered Mecca, but the Japanese owners of the Kaaba used their international connections to maintain ownership of the Kaaba forbidding Muslims to pray there. Occasionally, in response to Muslims trying to visit the Kaaba, Shinto extremists will stab some old Mulsims lady walking down the street, cheered on by "moderate" Shinto media organisations like this one.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgCV7kLdeTQ

  173. Due to Zionist 5th columnist occupying key positions at virtually every level within the US government, Israel has emerged the real winner of every US presidential election since Woodrow Wilson became president, followed by implementation of the Federal Reserve Act, World War One – the rest is history.

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    Wilson got us into WW1 because of blackmail by multimillionaire Samuel Untermeyer. Wilson was a lecher and had a long term affair with the wife of a fellow Princeton prof.
    By the time he was president their son was an adult who needed funds to set himself up in business.

    Untermeyer met with Wilson and informed Wilson that either Wilson declared war on Germany or the sordid story of the long term adulterous affair would be revealed.

    After Wilson declared war Untermeyer rewarded him by paying off the Mother and son.
  174. @Talha
    Hey KenH,

    So Suleiman the Mag was a lover and not a fighter?
     
    He was both; the number of concubines those sultans had - let me tell ya! I think the citation already states 'Playing to Messianic expectations...' which connotes ulterior motives.

    I doubt it was because he was committed to religious tolerance and pluralism.
     
    You have that wrong - those policies were good for commerce and taxation; the sultans took full advantage:
    “For a long time the Ottoman empire was a relatively benign regime. In the sixteenth and seventeenth century, as the kings of Christian Europe were burning heretics at the stake, the sultans saw to it that the various religions in their empire were protected from each other…It was a regime of material self-interest, designed to increase the wealth and power of the Ottoman dynasty, but taxes were not very burdensome and some of the empire’s great wealth filtered back to the subject populations."
    https://my.vanderbilt.edu/robertdrews/files/2014/01/Chapter-Thirty.-The-Ottoman-Empire-Judaism-and-Eastern-Europe-to-1648.pdf

    Spanish Jewish expellees were also welcomed by other Christian states like England, France, and Holland, so it wasn’t as if Christian Europe slammed the door shut on Jews.
     
    Never implied that, but what does this have to do with the discussion of Palestine? I could also cite that the same Jews settled in Morocco and Egypt - but, who cares?

    Some Muslims, blaming Jews for their own declining fortunes, committed atrocities against those making their journey to the coastal areas where ships would take them to other Christian states or places controlled by the Ottoman Empire.
     
    Citation would be nice, but let's take it at face value that ignorant Muslim mobs committed violence to minorities as they do today.

    It would not be surprising that his predecessor, the Caliph Beyazid II, who took in Jewish refugees from the original ejection from Spain sent the royal navy to help pick them up under royal protection:
    "During the years 1490 to 1497 Sultan Bayezid II accepted the exiled Jews from Italy, Spain and Portugal. In 1492 Kemal Reis and his fleet were sent to Cadiz to take the Jews in charge...The last lot of Jews gathered in the port of Cadiz faced a dilemma: Those who left port were attacked by the pirates, those who went on land were burned at the stake by the inquisition. About a thousand people waited in anguish. At the last minute arrived a small fleet manned by the Turkish admiral Kemal Reis who took the refugees under his protection."
    http://www.sephardicstudies.org/sultans1.html

    He also issued an edict to stop harassment, which would not have been necessary had it not been a potential problem:
    "The Grand Rabbi Moshe Kapsali (1420-1495), leader of the Jewish Nation, who resided in Constantinople and enjoyed favor of the Imperial Court, had obtained from the Sultan a firmanwhereby the 'penalty of death' was decreed against anyone who would dare to mistreat them (the Sephardi immigrants) or cause the slightest injury."
    History of the Turkish Jews and Sephardim: Memories of a Past Golden Age

    Peace.

    Never implied that, but what does this have to do with the discussion of Palestine?

    Nothing but you brought the subject up. I was just trying to add a little balance to things.

    Citation would be nice, but let’s take it at face value that ignorant Muslim mobs committed violence to minorities as they do today.

    See the book titled The Last Crusader: Isabella of Spain for an account.

    http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1153174.Isabella_Of_Spain

    Regarding the “sephardstudies.org” link, no doubt Turkish Muslim fleets picked up Jews at Cadiz and other places, but the rest of the account seems to be highly partisan and propagandistic (appears to be a Jewish source). I haven’t studied the minutiae of that time, but it’s likely the Jews made a payment to the Ottomans for their assistance or there was a quid pro quo arrangement of some sort since altruism simply wasn’t in the DNA of the Muslim Ottomans. And there’s no accounts I know of where Spanish Christians were waiting on shore with flammable material in which to summarily immolate Jews who didn’t board the Muslim vessels.

    Makes for sexy atrocity propaganda, though.

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    Hey KenH,

    but the rest of the account seems to be highly partisan and propagandistic
     
    Possibly, beacuse it does seem dramatic, but there is no doubt - as you said - that the Ottoman navy helped pick up Jewish refugees.

    but it’s likely the Jews made a payment to the Ottomans for their assistance or there was a quid pro quo arrangement of some sort
     
    Conjecture and opinion, which I will file with the rest unless you have a source.

    since altruism simply wasn’t in the DNA of the Muslim Ottomans
     
    I already cited a source mentioning that Ottomans (like most monarchs - Muslim and not) were often only concerned with their own self interest. Which is why some of them (like other monarchs - Muslim and not) would assassinate kin to gain the throne:
    "Before then, Ottoman succession had been governed by the “law of fratricide” drawn up by Mehmed II in the middle of the 15th century. Under the terms of this remarkable piece of legislation, whichever member of the ruling dynasty succeeded in seizing the throne on the death of the old sultan was not merely permitted, but enjoined, to murder all his brothers (together with any inconvenient uncles and cousins) in order to reduce the risk of subsequent rebellion and civil war. Although it was not invariably applied, Mehmed’s law resulted in the deaths of at least 80 members of the House of Osman over a period of 150 years."
    http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-ottoman-empires-life-or-death-race-164064882/#ksWHghfkEhXOMhSl.99

    No doubt these were grim men - and not just 'Selim the Grim'.

    That's why we don't look to them, but rather people like Umar al-Khattab (ra) from the first generation for guidance on things like this. If the Ottoman behavior comports, cool - if not, we throw it away.

    As for what was truly in the heart of Sultan Beyazid II when he made his decrees, only God (and apparently you) can know.

    Peace.

  175. Rarely repeated. Bill Clinton 1996 received a demanding letter that 7 middle east countries be destroyed for security of Israel. Then the same Chosen Ones, again sent a 1999 letter demanding a New Pearl Harbor Event take place to get Americans rallied up.
    Need I say more what took place for the event to succeed?
    The article is jest. Thanks!

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  176. @Gabriel M
    Stupid question, stupid answer. Apart from anything else, the Crusaders wouldn't consider the Protestant population of the US to be legitimate Christians. I doubt they'd consider the Pope to be a Christian. What is the point in talking about stupid stuff like this? Is Bibi going to sack Venice or something?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sack_of_Constantinople_(1204)

    Good points all.

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  177. See Netanyahu out on the end of a limb vigorously sawing.

    Netanyahu snubs May over UN settlements vote

    Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, has apparently snubbed Theresa May over the UK’s support of a highly critical UN resolution condemning Israeli settlement building.
    The move is the latest in a series of diplomatic retaliations by Israel against the countries that supported a UN security council resolution describing Jewish settlements in the occupied Palestinian territories as a “flagrant violation” of international law and an obstacle to peace.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/26/netanyahu-snubs-may-over-un-settlements-vote-israeli-media-says

    Netanyahu Rebuffs France on Restarting Mideast Talks

    JERUSALEM — Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel on Sunday rebuffed the French idea of restarting the Israeli-Palestinian peace process with international support and the backing of a United Nations Security Council resolution.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/22/world/middleeast/netanyahu-rejects-international-diktat-on-israeli-palestinian-peace-deal.html?_r=0

    The Jews chief Zombie hard at work showing the contempt and loathing they have for humanity.

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    Angry US born Jew trashes America – calls America shameful.

    US born Israeli ambassador: US led UN 'gang-up' on Israel settlement vote:

    Washington (AFP) - The White House orchestrated a "gang-up" against Israel on last week's UN settlement vote, its ambassador to Washington said Monday, in the latest sign of anger between the longtime allies.

    Israel's ambassador Ron Dermer said in an interview with CNN that his government plans to show evidence of the alleged US maneuvering in due time.

    "What is outrageous is that the United States was actually behind that gang-up. I think it was a very sad day, really a shameful chapter," the Israeli diplomat told CNN.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-led-un-gang-israel-settlement-vote-ambassador-160017776.html

     

    This tribe of Zionist Jew Zombies will say anything to cover up their evil – no relationship is sacred to them. After all that we have done, and are doing for them, they call us “shameful.”

    They are no friend – they see no friends – they see people they can manipulate – Jews are truly a people apart.

  178. @Mao Cheng Ji

    And it would be interesting to know how your suggested principles might apply
     
    As far as I'm aware, Israel is the only active case of Western settler colonialism today. If you know of any other case, name it.

    So you are only referring to the West Bank? And you put Israel with its UN recognised boundaries as on the same footing, though older, as Tibet with its Han settlers and West Irian with its Javanese settlers?

    Why are you only concerned by European origin settlement?

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    No, I'm referring to Palestine. I don't think the UN vote was legitimate.

    West had been doing it for centuries, till in the second part of the last century colonialism collapsed, was condemned as an unacceptable practice, and the colonial period ended (except in Palestine), with official proclamation of all peoples' right to self-determination. Tibet is a province of China, and Tibetans are equal Chinese citizens, so I don't think the concept of colonialism is applicable there.

  179. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Please look at the following article that is written by an expert many trust. Unfortunately, now I have a doubt about him. To me, he is a closet zionist like chomsky. He always protect Israel from exposure and goes to the extreme to hide the obvious facts.

    The wars in the middle east and Africa is waged by the criminal zionist bankers supported by the zionist tribe for ‘greater Israel’, where Porter never talk about it. We never trust the criminal zionist tribe and their stooges.

    http://original.antiwar.com/porter/2016/12/27/behind-real-us-strategic-blunder-syria/

    People should be ready to wipe the pathological liar and zionist stooge trump from the political scene. Trump showed that he is a criminal like the tribe and zionist bankers and their servants.
    What the Obama regime did on UN resolution was toooooooooooo little and tooooooooooooo
    late. He was a zionist servant to the bone. Obama is not a friend of Sunnis, as Porter suggest, he is a war criminal.

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  180. @Wizard of Oz
    So you are only referring to the West Bank? And you put Israel with its UN recognised boundaries as on the same footing, though older, as Tibet with its Han settlers and West Irian with its Javanese settlers?

    Why are you only concerned by European origin settlement?

    No, I’m referring to Palestine. I don’t think the UN vote was legitimate.

    West had been doing it for centuries, till in the second part of the last century colonialism collapsed, was condemned as an unacceptable practice, and the colonial period ended (except in Palestine), with official proclamation of all peoples’ right to self-determination. Tibet is a province of China, and Tibetans are equal Chinese citizens, so I don’t think the concept of colonialism is applicable there.

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    Tibet used to be an independent country with a Tibetan, not Han, population (indeed there was once some sort of Tibetan empire extending to the Bay of Bengal if my memory is correct) so when did it become a province of China and did it remain a province of China without self determination without interruption ever after (if you are referring to some pre 1951 event)?

    What makes it OK to allow Tibetans to be reduced to a minority in their own province?

    What do you say about Taiwan which was colonised by the Japanese in the 1890s and then the Nationalist refugees in 1949? What is your comparative analysis of that situation?

    And of the Javanese settlements on West Irian land since 1961? (And how does it compare with the once claimed and colonised but now independent Timor L'Este? ).
  181. If you voted for Trump, you are responsible for this. I am a non- interventionist libertarian, but was able to recognize a dangerous, juvenile psychopath as more dangerous than anything or anyone else.

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    And what was Hillary? Oh I guess you voted for that know-nothing Johnson?
  182. @iffen
    Apparently a commenter with the handle vintueil and egghead know each other. One doxed the other, I forget which, it doesn't have anything to do with anything.

    It ought not to be forgotten that egghead was the one who doxxed vinteuil.

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  183. @Talha
    Hey Gabriel,

    Like I said, I don't think Muslims have a right to prohibit Jews from praying at their sacred sites as long as it can be reasonably accommodated. So you were harassed by armed Israeli guards? Interesting...


    on our temple that you stole
     
    Ummm, that was the Romans. And then the Byzantines banned your folk for centuries until our folks beat their armies and garrisons back and let you back in. That is according to your own historians - see my citations. Feel free to cite evidence that Muslims historically prevented Jews from praying at the Temple Mount before all this modern-day Israeli nonsense erupted. Academic sources, please. And, as I keep stating, modern day Muslim governments should not be preventing Jews from praying there - it is not their right.

    how reasonable Muslims are
     
    Some are quite reasonable, some obviously aren't.

    how their misbehavior is always someone else’s fault
     
    Our misbehavior is indeed our fault, your misbehavior is indeed yours.

    That list would also be shorter if the US government did not have an idiotic foreign policy - often set by neo-Conservatives - who have quite a lot of your folk in their cadre. Or do you think Iraq just pulled itself apart out of the blue? We need to work on our murderous and callous people, you need to work on yours.

    Peace.

    [Ummm, that was the Romans. And then the Byzantines banned your folk for centuries until our folks beat their armies and garrisons back and let you back in. That is according to your own historians – see my citations.]

    I’m afraid this is nonsense, Talha. In rightfully rejecting Zionist slander against Muslims, you should not be ready to accept Zionist slander against anybody else.

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    Hey 5371,

    Could you elaborate, please? I definitely don't want to slander anybody.

    I thought it was well known that the Romans besieged Jerusalem and destroyed the temple way back in the first century. Isn't that acknowledged by Roman accounts? I guess if you mean; way back then, everyone stole from everyone else as long as they had the army to back them up, in which case I understand where you are coming from.

    And regarding the Muslims letting the Jews back into Jerusalem; our own historical sources indicate the Christians asked them not to be let in according to the terms of surrender.

    So I don't want to be a mouth piece for Zionism, but I thought these two things are fairly universally recognized. I'll readily acknowledge my error if you have a sound source.

    Peace.

  184. @KenH

    Never implied that, but what does this have to do with the discussion of Palestine?
     
    Nothing but you brought the subject up. I was just trying to add a little balance to things.

    Citation would be nice, but let’s take it at face value that ignorant Muslim mobs committed violence to minorities as they do today.
     
    See the book titled The Last Crusader: Isabella of Spain for an account.
    http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1153174.Isabella_Of_Spain

    Regarding the "sephardstudies.org" link, no doubt Turkish Muslim fleets picked up Jews at Cadiz and other places, but the rest of the account seems to be highly partisan and propagandistic (appears to be a Jewish source). I haven't studied the minutiae of that time, but it's likely the Jews made a payment to the Ottomans for their assistance or there was a quid pro quo arrangement of some sort since altruism simply wasn't in the DNA of the Muslim Ottomans. And there's no accounts I know of where Spanish Christians were waiting on shore with flammable material in which to summarily immolate Jews who didn't board the Muslim vessels.

    Makes for sexy atrocity propaganda, though.

    Hey KenH,

    but the rest of the account seems to be highly partisan and propagandistic

    Possibly, beacuse it does seem dramatic, but there is no doubt – as you said – that the Ottoman navy helped pick up Jewish refugees.

    but it’s likely the Jews made a payment to the Ottomans for their assistance or there was a quid pro quo arrangement of some sort

    Conjecture and opinion, which I will file with the rest unless you have a source.

    since altruism simply wasn’t in the DNA of the Muslim Ottomans

    I already cited a source mentioning that Ottomans (like most monarchs – Muslim and not) were often only concerned with their own self interest. Which is why some of them (like other monarchs – Muslim and not) would assassinate kin to gain the throne:
    “Before then, Ottoman succession had been governed by the “law of fratricide” drawn up by Mehmed II in the middle of the 15th century. Under the terms of this remarkable piece of legislation, whichever member of the ruling dynasty succeeded in seizing the throne on the death of the old sultan was not merely permitted, but enjoined, to murder all his brothers (together with any inconvenient uncles and cousins) in order to reduce the risk of subsequent rebellion and civil war. Although it was not invariably applied, Mehmed’s law resulted in the deaths of at least 80 members of the House of Osman over a period of 150 years.”

    http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-ottoman-empires-life-or-death-race-164064882/#ksWHghfkEhXOMhSl.99

    No doubt these were grim men – and not just ‘Selim the Grim’.

    That’s why we don’t look to them, but rather people like Umar al-Khattab (ra) from the first generation for guidance on things like this. If the Ottoman behavior comports, cool – if not, we throw it away.

    As for what was truly in the heart of Sultan Beyazid II when he made his decrees, only God (and apparently you) can know.

    Peace.

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    Conjecture and opinion, which I will file with the rest unless you have a source.
     
    Yes, and I don't think I said otherwise. But I know enough about that era to know that there were no free lunches and the Ottoman empire wasn't exactly the international red cross.

    Of course, I don't want to single out the Ottomans too much because the British Empire had their warts, too. However, the Brits never murdered 1.5 million people in cold blood, but I digress.
  185. @Art
    See Netanyahu out on the end of a limb vigorously sawing.

    Netanyahu snubs May over UN settlements vote

    Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, has apparently snubbed Theresa May over the UK’s support of a highly critical UN resolution condemning Israeli settlement building.
    The move is the latest in a series of diplomatic retaliations by Israel against the countries that supported a UN security council resolution describing Jewish settlements in the occupied Palestinian territories as a “flagrant violation” of international law and an obstacle to peace.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/26/netanyahu-snubs-may-over-un-settlements-vote-israeli-media-says

     


    Netanyahu Rebuffs France on Restarting Mideast Talks

    JERUSALEM — Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel on Sunday rebuffed the French idea of restarting the Israeli-Palestinian peace process with international support and the backing of a United Nations Security Council resolution.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/22/world/middleeast/netanyahu-rejects-international-diktat-on-israeli-palestinian-peace-deal.html?_r=0

     

    The Jews chief Zombie hard at work showing the contempt and loathing they have for humanity.

    Angry US born Jew trashes America – calls America shameful.

    US born Israeli ambassador: US led UN ‘gang-up’ on Israel settlement vote:

    Washington (AFP) – The White House orchestrated a “gang-up” against Israel on last week’s UN settlement vote, its ambassador to Washington said Monday, in the latest sign of anger between the longtime allies.

    Israel’s ambassador Ron Dermer said in an interview with CNN that his government plans to show evidence of the alleged US maneuvering in due time.

    “What is outrageous is that the United States was actually behind that gang-up. I think it was a very sad day, really a shameful chapter,” the Israeli diplomat told CNN.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-led-un-gang-israel-settlement-vote-ambassador-160017776.html

    This tribe of Zionist Jew Zombies will say anything to cover up their evil – no relationship is sacred to them. After all that we have done, and are doing for them, they call us “shameful.”

    They are no friend – they see no friends – they see people they can manipulate – Jews are truly a people apart.

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  186. @5371
    [Ummm, that was the Romans. And then the Byzantines banned your folk for centuries until our folks beat their armies and garrisons back and let you back in. That is according to your own historians – see my citations.]

    I'm afraid this is nonsense, Talha. In rightfully rejecting Zionist slander against Muslims, you should not be ready to accept Zionist slander against anybody else.

    Hey 5371,

    Could you elaborate, please? I definitely don’t want to slander anybody.

    I thought it was well known that the Romans besieged Jerusalem and destroyed the temple way back in the first century. Isn’t that acknowledged by Roman accounts? I guess if you mean; way back then, everyone stole from everyone else as long as they had the army to back them up, in which case I understand where you are coming from.

    And regarding the Muslims letting the Jews back into Jerusalem; our own historical sources indicate the Christians asked them not to be let in according to the terms of surrender.

    So I don’t want to be a mouth piece for Zionism, but I thought these two things are fairly universally recognized. I’ll readily acknowledge my error if you have a sound source.

    Peace.

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    • Replies: @iffen
    So I don’t want to be a mouth piece for Zionism

    Heaven forbid that you would defend a nation state that mixes the religious with the secular.
    , @5371
    No-one ever banned Jews from Palestine. Hadrian seems to have banned them from Jerusalem after the Bar-Kochba revolt in 135 AD, but the prohibition was reversed within a generation.
  187. @iffen
    Damn dem nefarious Jews.

    Just when we think we have elected a good Nazi as President he turns out to be a mole for Israel.

    Damn dem nefarious Jews.

    that was beautiful

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  188. Anyone who believed that Trump was pro America over the jew welfare state when Trump has nothing but Jewish grandchildren is a complete imbecile or traitor and that includes Patrick J Buchanan.

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  189. It is known as Eretz Israel.

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    Ersatz eretz Latter Day Israel, to be exact.
    , @FLgeezer
    >It is known as Eretz Israel.

    ...and includes these United States.
  190. @Talha
    Hey 5371,

    Could you elaborate, please? I definitely don't want to slander anybody.

    I thought it was well known that the Romans besieged Jerusalem and destroyed the temple way back in the first century. Isn't that acknowledged by Roman accounts? I guess if you mean; way back then, everyone stole from everyone else as long as they had the army to back them up, in which case I understand where you are coming from.

    And regarding the Muslims letting the Jews back into Jerusalem; our own historical sources indicate the Christians asked them not to be let in according to the terms of surrender.

    So I don't want to be a mouth piece for Zionism, but I thought these two things are fairly universally recognized. I'll readily acknowledge my error if you have a sound source.

    Peace.

    So I don’t want to be a mouth piece for Zionism

    Heaven forbid that you would defend a nation state that mixes the religious with the secular.

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    Hey iffen,

    I have far, far less problems with that than I do with a state based on ethno-centrism or ethno-superiority. Like I said - if a proposed Palestinian state is simply a carbon copy of another corrupt militarized Arab nation state then what is that worth? Not much to me.

    Read simply about Iraqi Jews (an ancient community that is gone now) - just the excerpt of the first chapter (especially that poem):
    "As the book reveals, the ultimate displacement of this community was not the result of a perpetual persecution on the part of their Iraqi compatriots, but rather the outcome of misguided state policies during the late 1940s and early 1950s. Sadly, from a dominant mood of coexistence, friendship, and partnership, the impossibility of Arab-Jewish coexistence became the prevailing narrative in the region—and the dominant narrative we have come to know today."
    http://www.sup.org/books/title/?id=20419

    "Jews were an integral part of Iraqi society from the centuries it existed as part of the Ottoman Empire, through the British-Arab alliance following World War I that resulted in its creation as an independent state. King Faisal's benevolent rule over this new state fostered an atmosphere of tolerance and equality which ended abruptly with his death in 1933, after which rising anti-Jewish and Pan-Arabic sentiment led to restrictions on all phases of Jewish life, culminating in the establishment of a pro-Nazi government and a notorious deadly pogrom against the Jews known as the Farhoud in 1941."
    http://cs.nyu.edu/shasha/papers/iraqlastjews.html

    http://www.bintjbeil.com/E/occupation/ameu_iraqjews.html

    This is what the evil twins of Arab and Jewish nationalism (Zionism) have wrought - the destruction of an ancient (we're talking from Babylonian times) distinct identity (how long do you suppose it will survive in Israel before it disappears) - and this is not the only one. The only distinct one having survived is probably that of the Morocco.

    People say this is progress...I have my doubts.

    Peace.

  191. @Wizard of Oz
    What is the argument of constitutional law which justifies the statement that the Federal Reserve is uncontitutional?

    Has that argument ever been tested in the courts? If not why not?

    In Article 1, Section 8, Clause 5 of the U.S. Constitution, it specifically confers on Congress the express powers to coin money and regulate the value of it.

    It does not grant the power to establish a private central bank (with stock holders as the owners).

    At quick glance, it looks as if there are only lawsuits on the basis of paper money vs. coins. The constitution cites coinage and some legal cases say paper legal tender is unconstitutional.

    My hunch is that any serious legal threat to the Federal Reserve would be met with loss of life.

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  192. @Lot

    How do you think Christians 1000 years ago would have looked on the Holy Land being occupied by a Jewish state?
     
    They would have preferred it to Islamic rule and viewed it as in accordance with the Bible.

    Probably not, Lot.

    A recent example was Pope Pius X’s refusal to acquiesce to Herzl’s demand that the Church support a Jewish state in Palestine.

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  193. When all Jews around the world are accused of being Zionists and instruments of ersatz Israel, the game is exactly the same game played by Señor Netanyahu and his ilk, whose recent Papal Bull, for example, just called for all “Jews” to leave France.

    Wonder if that includes Sarkozy?

    Probably at least half the posters that post such trash are paid and unpaid Israeli agents. The other half–well, what they are is pretty apparent as well, even those who are part of the new Trumpist White Nationalist Zionist Coalition, along with the likes of Zionist Fundamentalist “Christians” like the most Reverend Hagee.

    There’s one born every minute indeed.

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  194. @Anon
    "Great again"? Israel has always been great. Two words: high IQ.

    “High Intelligence Quotient” is three words.

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  195. @Wizard of Oz
    Well I'll grant that those escaping the shtetl had one thing in common with the Palestinian refugees' descendants. That is an embarrassingly high fertility which was perhaps even more of a problem for them than those for whom the UN organises sustenance and shelter. But that is about as far as your comparison is useful. Palestine had a lot of underused land when the first Zionists arrived. Not true today of Israel apart from parts of the Negev. Small holdings and small scale co-operatives were an aspirational novelty as well as subject for romantic nostalgia 100 plus years ago for often illiterate, often intellectual socialist Jews. The situation of Palestinians in their diaspora or benefiting (somewhat) from the post WW2 refugee convention is very different.

    As to your point about olives, as it happens I do know a bit about olives having chosen and planted quite a few by hand and picked the fruit. And your point about peasant farmers and olive trees directly contradicts your argument. Why would prople living poor but modern lives in towns or equivalently large refugee camps for three generations consider a deal which would allow those of them descended from olive owning peasants to plant small plantatations of olives which might, in 20 years time, begin to support a small fraction of the now extended family?

    “Palestine had a lot of underused land when the first Zionists arrived”

    You realize, one is sure, that is straight John Locke, right? “Improvement”, jeje.

    Will, say, Sandburg Village and Trump Tower be airlifted or carried by ship to ersatz Israel, or is replicating them sufficient, as is now the case?

    The younger Netanyahu, one suspects, was already covertly a bit jealous of his close friend Señor Trump, during the latter’s salad days. But he picked up enough, obviously, to master a strictly State Capitalist US-subsidized version of real estate speculation, eh?

    Did Señor Trump pick up the “seduction by furniture store shopping” from Señor Bibi, do you think?

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    I'm not sure what you think your argument gains by reference to John Locke in a general way. If you cared to give a fact based answer you would deal with the sales of poor land approx where Tel Aviv now extends by Ottoman era landowners to Zionists. And you would have noted the large influx of Arabs drawn by the economic activity generated by the early Zionist settlers.
  196. @iffen
    So I don’t want to be a mouth piece for Zionism

    Heaven forbid that you would defend a nation state that mixes the religious with the secular.

    Hey iffen,

    I have far, far less problems with that than I do with a state based on ethno-centrism or ethno-superiority. Like I said – if a proposed Palestinian state is simply a carbon copy of another corrupt militarized Arab nation state then what is that worth? Not much to me.

    Read simply about Iraqi Jews (an ancient community that is gone now) – just the excerpt of the first chapter (especially that poem):
    “As the book reveals, the ultimate displacement of this community was not the result of a perpetual persecution on the part of their Iraqi compatriots, but rather the outcome of misguided state policies during the late 1940s and early 1950s. Sadly, from a dominant mood of coexistence, friendship, and partnership, the impossibility of Arab-Jewish coexistence became the prevailing narrative in the region—and the dominant narrative we have come to know today.”

    http://www.sup.org/books/title/?id=20419

    “Jews were an integral part of Iraqi society from the centuries it existed as part of the Ottoman Empire, through the British-Arab alliance following World War I that resulted in its creation as an independent state. King Faisal’s benevolent rule over this new state fostered an atmosphere of tolerance and equality which ended abruptly with his death in 1933, after which rising anti-Jewish and Pan-Arabic sentiment led to restrictions on all phases of Jewish life, culminating in the establishment of a pro-Nazi government and a notorious deadly pogrom against the Jews known as the Farhoud in 1941.”

    http://cs.nyu.edu/shasha/papers/iraqlastjews.html

    http://www.bintjbeil.com/E/occupation/ameu_iraqjews.html

    This is what the evil twins of Arab and Jewish nationalism (Zionism) have wrought – the destruction of an ancient (we’re talking from Babylonian times) distinct identity (how long do you suppose it will survive in Israel before it disappears) – and this is not the only one. The only distinct one having survived is probably that of the Morocco.

    People say this is progress…I have my doubts.

    Peace.

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  197. @Lot
    It is funny how Unz.com's large stable of Israel/Jew haters just can't decide if Trump is on their side or not. (I think Giraldi is right, he's not, and Saker is wrong.)

    What Giraldi does not understand is that patriotic white people do not find it acceptable that the Holy Land be occupied by Muslim barbarians. It really is just that simple. It was the case 1000 years ago, and is still the case now.

    Israel is America's Crusader Kingdom, and Bibi is white America's loyal viceroy.

    on land stolen from Palestinians
     
    It is Israel's by right of conquest.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_conquest

    And if you don't believe in that right, I first urge to you deed your house over to the nearest Indian tribe, and second explain how the various Arabs who call themselves "Palestinians" got that land in the first place.

    Right–the holy land should be occupied by Jews who denigrate Jesus, not by Muslims who honor Jesus as a might prophet. Sounds like Jewish and Trump logic…

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  198. @Talha
    Hey 5371,

    Could you elaborate, please? I definitely don't want to slander anybody.

    I thought it was well known that the Romans besieged Jerusalem and destroyed the temple way back in the first century. Isn't that acknowledged by Roman accounts? I guess if you mean; way back then, everyone stole from everyone else as long as they had the army to back them up, in which case I understand where you are coming from.

    And regarding the Muslims letting the Jews back into Jerusalem; our own historical sources indicate the Christians asked them not to be let in according to the terms of surrender.

    So I don't want to be a mouth piece for Zionism, but I thought these two things are fairly universally recognized. I'll readily acknowledge my error if you have a sound source.

    Peace.

    No-one ever banned Jews from Palestine. Hadrian seems to have banned them from Jerusalem after the Bar-Kochba revolt in 135 AD, but the prohibition was reversed within a generation.

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    Hey 5371,

    Correct - I thought I was specific about Jerusalem. I thought that the reversal was only to permit worship once in a while at the site of the temple but not residency, no?

    Peace.
  199. @Karl
    > continue to subsidize Greater Israel…

    if that money gets cut off.... fine with me, as long as you ALSO stop giving money & guns to our neighbors. Use the money to pay down your debt. History teaches us that merely paying of 1% of a debt can turn things around, a LOT.

    > and send off their teenage sons to die as canon fodder for Greater Israel?

    one of the favorite themes here. We didn't directly gain anything from your Iraq or Afghanistan adventures. It is possible to posit second-order and third-order effects that were helpful to us..... however comma, i don't think anyone can accurately measure those.

    We get a LOT more results from dealing with those sorts of people ourselves, quietly. Consider the cases of two Muslim countries: Azerbaijan & Khazakhstan. Cureently de-facto aligned with us..... That was OUR foreign ministry, every step of the way.

    By the way Talha, we have PLENTY of Muslims in the IDF and EVEN MORE in the Border Police. The only point of contention is YOUR refusal to stop, stopping Jews from praying on the Temple Mount. Even just closing your eyes and standing still up there, gets a Jew arrested by the Muslim Police.

    There wasn't one American soldier's downrange deployment which cut even ONE DAY off the reserve duty Israelis still need to do to man checkpoints. Our problem is the Palestinians. Whatever happens in Anbar province or Kandahar province doesn't change the daily reality of needing to put these Palestinians through metal-detectors to find knives. It just doesn't.

    “We didn’t directly gain anything from your Iraq or Afghanistan adventures.”

    Ah, “directly” no doubt cloaking in silence, say, Iraq’s support and subsidies to Palestinians, the Palestinian guest workers in Kuwait, etc., right?

    It is accurate to say, however, that many of the level-headed Israeli officials in and out of government thought that the US coalitions’ marches upcountry, during both wars against Iraq, were incredibly stupid and could backfire.

    Most of these, however, wanted a US attack on Iran instead.

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  200. @5371
    No-one ever banned Jews from Palestine. Hadrian seems to have banned them from Jerusalem after the Bar-Kochba revolt in 135 AD, but the prohibition was reversed within a generation.

    Hey 5371,

    Correct – I thought I was specific about Jerusalem. I thought that the reversal was only to permit worship once in a while at the site of the temple but not residency, no?

    Peace.

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  201. @jacques sheete

    “Great again”? Israel has always been great. Two words: high IQ.
     
    Two more words: Mere quackery.

    Who invented the concept, and who promoted it, and who profits from administering these so called "intelligence" tests?

    They have about as much worth as the laughable Nobel prizes, Pulitzer prizes, and what not.

    Just another manifestation of the endless self preening of the self promoted racially superior, self obsessed ones.

    Only a gull would believe otherwise. Bunch of birdbrains, in fact.

    Who invented the concept, and who promoted it, and who profits from administering these so called “intelligence” tests?

    Answer: The same people who, during the process of compiling the Old and New Testaments, appointed themselves the Chosen Ones, the rightful owners of Palestine, plus assigned themselves the designated rulers of all nations of the earth. It’s all right there in black and white. Read it in your spare time.

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    Fascinating to consider what prompts people to broadcast the evidence of their profound ignorance. Only a little more than a few minutes of spare time reading would acquaint you with the history of intelligence testing in the early 20th century which rated Jews, ansurdly, as almost retarded!
  202. @Junior
    10.4 MILLION DOLLARS A DAY, we send in "aid" to Israel.

    For what?!

    Our goddamn infrastructure and everything else is LITERALLY falling apart around us in this country. Bridges collapsing. Roads with potholes the size of manhole covers causing deadly blowout accidents. Schools falling apart, Veterans dying while waiting for hospital visits, drug overdose death rates skyrocketing, homeless and jobless Americans in the millions. And the list goes on and on of issues that Americans need aid with.

    But instead of using that money to try to fix these problems, in America, for Americans that need aid, what do we do?

    We send 10.4 MILLION DOLLARS A DAY in "aid" to Israel.

    For what?!

    Imagine if we used that 10.4 MILLION DOLLARS A DAY on American aid instead of to destroy our International name by subsidizing the building of illegal settlements, the running of the worlds largest open-air prison, the maintaining of an apartheid wall, and slaughter of Palestinian families in their homes with weapons made and paid for by us.

    Mr. Giraldi wrote yet another great piece with this "Welcome to Greater Israel" article. Here's a "Welcome to Gaza" to see what our 10.4 MILLION DOLLARS A DAY has bought us. How much longer are we going to allow this to continue?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVCp3rmP80k

    Bravo.

    You missed, in fact, the fact that international Jewry is solely responsible for the tricked, bribed, forced legislation across the White western world which admits millions of uneducated, illiterate, unassimilable, racist, White-hating Moslems without passports, to drain White economies with fraudulent welfare claims, rape and traffic White females for Moslem prostitution and secret pig-god sacrifice, fund blood-soaked deranged maniacs to build and detonate bombs in White population centres, and beyond all of that fashion legislation which curtails and severely punishes free speech by all those openly critical of these things.

    Add to that the fact that international Jewry has been engaged in a decades-long war of direct, subtle cultural Marxist propaganda via an endless stream of advertising, fashion and cinema content corruption, LGBT filth and shameless mass media lies, all designed to weaken, corrupt, undermine and destroy the morality and the morale of once-Christian White nations, and you begin to grasp the bigger picture, and the longer game.

    Now that you have understood that Jews, as they have always been, are the curse of the earth, try furthering your education and knowledge of the true depths of their nation-wrecking evil, by going here:

    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2016/12/philip-giraldi-on-the-anti-semitism-awareness-act/

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  203. It is awesome to watch Jewish vote going Democrat regularly then being fucked up the ass by a crowbar by Obama.
    As Maxwell Smart said, “loving every minute of it”.

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    So Obama allowed a toothless symbolic resolution, apparently favoured even by most American Jews, to pass the SC. What good will that do?
  204. @Talha
    Hey 5371,

    Correct - I thought I was specific about Jerusalem. I thought that the reversal was only to permit worship once in a while at the site of the temple but not residency, no?

    Peace.

    There was no bar on residency.

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    Hey 5371,

    No problem - but this contradicts many academic sources that I've read. Can you provide just one source? I'm not trying to be difficult, if you have a solid source with an alternative narrative, I would actually welcome being exposed to it honestly.

    Peace.
  205. @pepperinmono
    It is awesome to watch Jewish vote going Democrat regularly then being fucked up the ass by a crowbar by Obama.
    As Maxwell Smart said, "loving every minute of it".

    So Obama allowed a toothless symbolic resolution, apparently favoured even by most American Jews, to pass the SC. What good will that do?

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  206. What has happened to Rehmat? I haven’t seen him recently.

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    I wondered the same thing a while back - no whisper from him (well, he wasn't one for whispering) since a month back. iffen and I were speculating that he came across Sherman and, well...Sherman is still around...

    But he's still blogging at his old stomping grounds.

    Peace.
  207. @5371
    So Obama allowed a toothless symbolic resolution, apparently favoured even by most American Jews, to pass the SC. What good will that do?

    “What good will that do?” – It helps Trump.

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  208. @Linda
    If you voted for Trump, you are responsible for this. I am a non- interventionist libertarian, but was able to recognize a dangerous, juvenile psychopath as more dangerous than anything or anyone else.

    And what was Hillary? Oh I guess you voted for that know-nothing Johnson?

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  209. @5371
    There was no bar on residency.

    Hey 5371,

    No problem – but this contradicts many academic sources that I’ve read. Can you provide just one source? I’m not trying to be difficult, if you have a solid source with an alternative narrative, I would actually welcome being exposed to it honestly.

    Peace.

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  210. Trump made a lot of tempestuous declarations during election time. He is now backing off most of them or at least adding a grain of salt.
    For Trump it seems that the mantra is ” Show me the money”
    He will not give free ‘gifts’ to Israel anymore. Israel is a rich country and can pay. So if Trump gives money to Israel he will make sure he gets something worth it in return.
    What can Israel give back to Trump now that the elections is over and the Jewish voters, in majority democrats lost? More support from the Congress? What else?
    Well, Trump wants to be the president who solve the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, a conflict largely responsible for the violent anti-americanism in the region. That anti-americanism is the source of Al Qaedan, ISIS and other Islamist groups.
    Trump will do all he can to eliminate such extremists but he will want to go to the root: who are funding them and how to stop its proliferation. Israel’s abuses on Palestinians feeds Islamist extremist. He will have to deal with that decisively.
    Therefore I expect Trump to be much tougher on Israel than the Obama administration.
    Israel may come to regret Obama who was just a naive and powerless enemy

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  211. @utu
    What has happened to Rehmat? I haven't seen him recently.

    I wondered the same thing a while back – no whisper from him (well, he wasn’t one for whispering) since a month back. iffen and I were speculating that he came across Sherman and, well…Sherman is still around…

    But he’s still blogging at his old stomping grounds.

    Peace.

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    "He"? Is it all done by one obsessive? As you may recall I have more than once referred to the "Rehmat syndicate" (could have been "task force"). And to the youths he employs in Islamabad. Of course I don't know but sometimes the Rehmat stuff is so madly illogical, unfactual and unrelated to what it purports to reply to that it seems impossible that it could be the work of a professionally educated adult.
  212. @Talha
    Hey KenH,

    but the rest of the account seems to be highly partisan and propagandistic
     
    Possibly, beacuse it does seem dramatic, but there is no doubt - as you said - that the Ottoman navy helped pick up Jewish refugees.

    but it’s likely the Jews made a payment to the Ottomans for their assistance or there was a quid pro quo arrangement of some sort
     
    Conjecture and opinion, which I will file with the rest unless you have a source.

    since altruism simply wasn’t in the DNA of the Muslim Ottomans
     
    I already cited a source mentioning that Ottomans (like most monarchs - Muslim and not) were often only concerned with their own self interest. Which is why some of them (like other monarchs - Muslim and not) would assassinate kin to gain the throne:
    "Before then, Ottoman succession had been governed by the “law of fratricide” drawn up by Mehmed II in the middle of the 15th century. Under the terms of this remarkable piece of legislation, whichever member of the ruling dynasty succeeded in seizing the throne on the death of the old sultan was not merely permitted, but enjoined, to murder all his brothers (together with any inconvenient uncles and cousins) in order to reduce the risk of subsequent rebellion and civil war. Although it was not invariably applied, Mehmed’s law resulted in the deaths of at least 80 members of the House of Osman over a period of 150 years."
    http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-ottoman-empires-life-or-death-race-164064882/#ksWHghfkEhXOMhSl.99

    No doubt these were grim men - and not just 'Selim the Grim'.

    That's why we don't look to them, but rather people like Umar al-Khattab (ra) from the first generation for guidance on things like this. If the Ottoman behavior comports, cool - if not, we throw it away.

    As for what was truly in the heart of Sultan Beyazid II when he made his decrees, only God (and apparently you) can know.

    Peace.

    Conjecture and opinion, which I will file with the rest unless you have a source.

    Yes, and I don’t think I said otherwise. But I know enough about that era to know that there were no free lunches and the Ottoman empire wasn’t exactly the international red cross.

    Of course, I don’t want to single out the Ottomans too much because the British Empire had their warts, too. However, the Brits never murdered 1.5 million people in cold blood, but I digress.

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    However, the Brits never murdered 1.5 million people in cold blood, but I digress.
     
    If you include the Greeks and Syrians, the number swells to 3.5 million:

    GREEKS
    1914 400,000 conscripts perished in forced labor brigades
    1922 100,000 massacred or burned alive in Smyrna
    1916-1922 350,000 Pontions massacred or killed during forced deportations
    1914-1922 900,000 perish from maltreatment, starvation and massacres; total of all other areas of Asia Minor
    TOTAL: 1,750,000 Greek Christians martyred 1914-1922

    ARMENIANS
    1894-1896 300,000 massacred
    1915-1916 1,500,000 perish in massacres and forced deportations (with subsidiaries to 1923)
    1922 30,000 massacred or burned alive in Smyrna
    TOTAL: 1,800,000 Armenian Christians martyred 1894-1923

    SYRIANS AND NESTORIANS
    1915-1917 100,000


    http://www.serfes.org/orthodox/memoryof.htm
     
    , @Talha

    However, the Brits never murdered 1.5 million people in cold blood, but I digress.
     
    No, but they might have been a party to the starvation of plenty more (the jury is still out on this one as far as numbers and intentions - so keep your eyes on it) - but that's OK because as Churchill said:
    "The famine was their own fault for breeding like rabbits."
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/worst-atrocities-british-empire-amritsar-boer-war-concentration-camp-mau-mau-a6821756.html

    But, as to the Ottomans...if you read the details on the history, you will know this was not the work of the Ottoman sultans nor the Muslim scholarship. In fact, the sultan had been effectively deposed and replaced by the 'Three Pashas' that ran the empire and ushered in an era of nationalist Turkification under the secular-modern 'Committee of Union and Progress'. This led to both the Armenian Genocide as well as a host of other horrific events and kick-started the Arab revolts against the modernist reforms as threats to their religion and traditions.

    The Armenians recognize this:
    "The Young Turks were the perpetrators of the Armenian Genocide..... The most ideologically committed party in the entire movement, the CUP espoused a form of Turkish nationalism which was xenophobic and exclusionary in its thinking. Its policies threatened to undo the tattered fabric of a multi-ethnic and multi-religious society. Taking advantage of the political confusion reigning in the aftermath of the First Balkan War which the Ottoman Empire lost in 1912 to its former subject states, the CUP seized power in a coup d'etat in January 1913."
    http://www.armenian-genocide.org/young_turks.html

    Which is why Armenian nationalists hunted them down like dogs and assassinated them - since they had sought exile in European countries:
    https://www.amazon.com/Operation-Nemesis-Assassination-Armenian-Genocide/dp/0316292087

    Those that were prosecuted and were sentenced to death by the Ottomans once the sultan was back in charge (again, same Armenian site as above):
    "The post-war Ottoman government convened tribunals in 1919 to hear testimony on the conduct of the war and the implementation of the Armenian Genocide. While many second rank figures were prosecuted individually, the party as a whole was indicted for the crimes of conspiracy and massacre. The verdicts found the accused guilty of capital crimes, but the principal culprits were only tried in absentia."

    And whoever was around had their death sentence signed off by the Grand Mufti:
    "When the Sultan received the papers for signature the day after Kemal's conviction, already sanctioned by the grand vizier and the defense minister, the monarch hesitated. He wanted Shiekh ul-Islam to issue and appropriate fatwa...This version was eventually composed and incorporated in a new fatwa bearing Seikh ul-Islam Mustafa Sabri's signature."
    Judgment At Istanbul: The Armenian Genocide Trials

    So - it was actually the weakening of the Ottoman caliphate and the rise of a deplorable Turkish-nationalist modernism that led to the massacres...and a boat load of other stuff we are still talking about on this thread.

    Peace.

  213. @Talha
    Salaam Qasim,

    Live by the sword...I guess. Both acts are deplorable to me - seems a shame to try to destroy each others' lives over a tiff on an anonymous forum - just my opinion.

    Wa Salaam

    Mr Talha: neither I nor any friend of mine has ever done “egghead…” any harm. I do not even know who he is.

    BTW – for me, this is no longer an “anonymous forum.”

    I believe I am the only poster here who has ever been treated like this.

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    "I believe I am the only poster here who has ever been treated like this."

    I do not know the story. What happened?
    , @Talha
    Hey vinteuil,

    I understand - which is why I always advocate for people to keep their cool and just hold discussions no different than you would if you were sitting across the person.

    Peace.
  214. @vinteuil
    Mr Talha: neither I nor any friend of mine has ever done "egghead..." any harm. I do not even know who he is.

    BTW - for me, this is no longer an "anonymous forum."

    I believe I am the only poster here who has ever been treated like this.

    “I believe I am the only poster here who has ever been treated like this.”

    I do not know the story. What happened?

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  215. @KenH

    Conjecture and opinion, which I will file with the rest unless you have a source.
     
    Yes, and I don't think I said otherwise. But I know enough about that era to know that there were no free lunches and the Ottoman empire wasn't exactly the international red cross.

    Of course, I don't want to single out the Ottomans too much because the British Empire had their warts, too. However, the Brits never murdered 1.5 million people in cold blood, but I digress.

    However, the Brits never murdered 1.5 million people in cold blood, but I digress.

    If you include the Greeks and Syrians, the number swells to 3.5 million:

    GREEKS
    1914 400,000 conscripts perished in forced labor brigades
    1922 100,000 massacred or burned alive in Smyrna
    1916-1922 350,000 Pontions massacred or killed during forced deportations
    1914-1922 900,000 perish from maltreatment, starvation and massacres; total of all other areas of Asia Minor
    TOTAL: 1,750,000 Greek Christians martyred 1914-1922

    ARMENIANS
    1894-1896 300,000 massacred
    1915-1916 1,500,000 perish in massacres and forced deportations (with subsidiaries to 1923)
    1922 30,000 massacred or burned alive in Smyrna
    TOTAL: 1,800,000 Armenian Christians martyred 1894-1923

    SYRIANS AND NESTORIANS
    1915-1917 100,000

    http://www.serfes.org/orthodox/memoryof.htm

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    Hey Geo,

    No doubt about that - though some of the figures look a bit inflated. As the Ottoman Empire was spiraling downwards it was getting quite desperate to maintain control (especially at the fringes where it was afraid of losing land to other empires like Russia) and became (as I've mentioned before) hyper-violent. Is it surprising or unique to the Ottomans? Possibly, with the right combo of having an alpha group and modernized weaponry to make massacres more effective. Nations and empires that are pulled apart in civil wars and strife get fairly violent along ethnic and religious lines - even in modern times, Yugoslavia being an example.

    Peace.

  216. @KenH

    Conjecture and opinion, which I will file with the rest unless you have a source.
     
    Yes, and I don't think I said otherwise. But I know enough about that era to know that there were no free lunches and the Ottoman empire wasn't exactly the international red cross.

    Of course, I don't want to single out the Ottomans too much because the British Empire had their warts, too. However, the Brits never murdered 1.5 million people in cold blood, but I digress.

    However, the Brits never murdered 1.5 million people in cold blood, but I digress.

    No, but they might have been a party to the starvation of plenty more (the jury is still out on this one as far as numbers and intentions – so keep your eyes on it) – but that’s OK because as Churchill said:
    “The famine was their own fault for breeding like rabbits.”

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/worst-atrocities-british-empire-amritsar-boer-war-concentration-camp-mau-mau-a6821756.html

    But, as to the Ottomans…if you read the details on the history, you will know this was not the work of the Ottoman sultans nor the Muslim scholarship. In fact, the sultan had been effectively deposed and replaced by the ‘Three Pashas’ that ran the empire and ushered in an era of nationalist Turkification under the secular-modern ‘Committee of Union and Progress’. This led to both the Armenian Genocide as well as a host of other horrific events and kick-started the Arab revolts against the modernist reforms as threats to their religion and traditions.

    The Armenians recognize this:
    “The Young Turks were the perpetrators of the Armenian Genocide….. The most ideologically committed party in the entire movement, the CUP espoused a form of Turkish nationalism which was xenophobic and exclusionary in its thinking. Its policies threatened to undo the tattered fabric of a multi-ethnic and multi-religious society. Taking advantage of the political confusion reigning in the aftermath of the First Balkan War which the Ottoman Empire lost in 1912 to its former subject states, the CUP seized power in a coup d’etat in January 1913.”

    http://www.armenian-genocide.org/young_turks.html

    Which is why Armenian nationalists hunted them down like dogs and assassinated them – since they had sought exile in European countries:

    https://www.amazon.com/Operation-Nemesis-Assassination-Armenian-Genocide/dp/0316292087

    Those that were prosecuted and were sentenced to death by the Ottomans once the sultan was back in charge (again, same Armenian site as above):
    “The post-war Ottoman government convened tribunals in 1919 to hear testimony on the conduct of the war and the implementation of the Armenian Genocide. While many second rank figures were prosecuted individually, the party as a whole was indicted for the crimes of conspiracy and massacre. The verdicts found the accused guilty of capital crimes, but the principal culprits were only tried in absentia.”

    And whoever was around had their death sentence signed off by the Grand Mufti:
    “When the Sultan received the papers for signature the day after Kemal’s conviction, already sanctioned by the grand vizier and the defense minister, the monarch hesitated. He wanted Shiekh ul-Islam to issue and appropriate fatwa…This version was eventually composed and incorporated in a new fatwa bearing Seikh ul-Islam Mustafa Sabri’s signature.”
    Judgment At Istanbul: The Armenian Genocide Trials

    So – it was actually the weakening of the Ottoman caliphate and the rise of a deplorable Turkish-nationalist modernism that led to the massacres…and a boat load of other stuff we are still talking about on this thread.

    Peace.

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    Another reason why I abhor ethnic nationalism.
  217. @vinteuil
    Mr Talha: neither I nor any friend of mine has ever done "egghead..." any harm. I do not even know who he is.

    BTW - for me, this is no longer an "anonymous forum."

    I believe I am the only poster here who has ever been treated like this.

    Hey vinteuil,

    I understand – which is why I always advocate for people to keep their cool and just hold discussions no different than you would if you were sitting across the person.

    Peace.

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  218. @Talha

    However, the Brits never murdered 1.5 million people in cold blood, but I digress.
     
    No, but they might have been a party to the starvation of plenty more (the jury is still out on this one as far as numbers and intentions - so keep your eyes on it) - but that's OK because as Churchill said:
    "The famine was their own fault for breeding like rabbits."
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/worst-atrocities-british-empire-amritsar-boer-war-concentration-camp-mau-mau-a6821756.html

    But, as to the Ottomans...if you read the details on the history, you will know this was not the work of the Ottoman sultans nor the Muslim scholarship. In fact, the sultan had been effectively deposed and replaced by the 'Three Pashas' that ran the empire and ushered in an era of nationalist Turkification under the secular-modern 'Committee of Union and Progress'. This led to both the Armenian Genocide as well as a host of other horrific events and kick-started the Arab revolts against the modernist reforms as threats to their religion and traditions.

    The Armenians recognize this:
    "The Young Turks were the perpetrators of the Armenian Genocide..... The most ideologically committed party in the entire movement, the CUP espoused a form of Turkish nationalism which was xenophobic and exclusionary in its thinking. Its policies threatened to undo the tattered fabric of a multi-ethnic and multi-religious society. Taking advantage of the political confusion reigning in the aftermath of the First Balkan War which the Ottoman Empire lost in 1912 to its former subject states, the CUP seized power in a coup d'etat in January 1913."
    http://www.armenian-genocide.org/young_turks.html

    Which is why Armenian nationalists hunted them down like dogs and assassinated them - since they had sought exile in European countries:
    https://www.amazon.com/Operation-Nemesis-Assassination-Armenian-Genocide/dp/0316292087

    Those that were prosecuted and were sentenced to death by the Ottomans once the sultan was back in charge (again, same Armenian site as above):
    "The post-war Ottoman government convened tribunals in 1919 to hear testimony on the conduct of the war and the implementation of the Armenian Genocide. While many second rank figures were prosecuted individually, the party as a whole was indicted for the crimes of conspiracy and massacre. The verdicts found the accused guilty of capital crimes, but the principal culprits were only tried in absentia."

    And whoever was around had their death sentence signed off by the Grand Mufti:
    "When the Sultan received the papers for signature the day after Kemal's conviction, already sanctioned by the grand vizier and the defense minister, the monarch hesitated. He wanted Shiekh ul-Islam to issue and appropriate fatwa...This version was eventually composed and incorporated in a new fatwa bearing Seikh ul-Islam Mustafa Sabri's signature."
    Judgment At Istanbul: The Armenian Genocide Trials

    So - it was actually the weakening of the Ottoman caliphate and the rise of a deplorable Turkish-nationalist modernism that led to the massacres...and a boat load of other stuff we are still talking about on this thread.

    Peace.

    Another reason why I abhor ethnic nationalism.

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    Another reason why I abhor ethnic nationalism.
     
    what about for Palestinians?

    Peace

    , @KenH
    That is understandable but ethno-nationalism is also a force of nature and can never be eradicated from the human soul. It can be a force for good or ill just like religion.

    And let's not forgot that most religions, including yours, are squatting on a mountain of skulls.
  219. I don’t believe many if any “Trumpists” ever claimed he would be a consistent anti-Zionist, a consistent protectionist, a consistent nativist, a consistent isolationist etc. What they did claim is, he that he went much further in the direction of economic nationalism ,ethno-nationalism, non-interventionism than any other candidate. Along with bringing an element of potential chaos to the mix, which could be advantageous. Along with freeing Russia’s hand to bring some stability to the Mideast, in part by occasioning opportunities for Hezbollah and Iran and other freedom fighting forces to do their thing.

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  220. @geokat62

    However, the Brits never murdered 1.5 million people in cold blood, but I digress.
     
    If you include the Greeks and Syrians, the number swells to 3.5 million:

    GREEKS
    1914 400,000 conscripts perished in forced labor brigades
    1922 100,000 massacred or burned alive in Smyrna
    1916-1922 350,000 Pontions massacred or killed during forced deportations
    1914-1922 900,000 perish from maltreatment, starvation and massacres; total of all other areas of Asia Minor
    TOTAL: 1,750,000 Greek Christians martyred 1914-1922

    ARMENIANS
    1894-1896 300,000 massacred
    1915-1916 1,