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If you get your news from NBC, this is what you learned about yesterday’s Unite the Right rally:Charlottesville White Nationalist Rally Violence Prompts State of Emergency.” That’s right: The problem was white nationalist violence. It was as if the demonstrators had behaved just like Black Lives Matter or masked antifa: looting, burning, stopping traffic, and roughing up bystanders. Of course, what caused the violence was hostile counter-demonstrators, many of them wearing helmets and carrying shields. If they had not been there, there would have been no violence, and the rally would have taken place as planned.

Of all people, it was Donald Trump who came the closest to getting it right, condemning “hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides.” This, of course, earned him near-universal condemnation. As former Vice President Joe Biden explained, “There is only one side,” and the problem was Unite the Right. This prompted a storm of retweets and similar sentiments. Virginia’s attorney general Mark Herring tweeted that “violence, chaos, and apparent loss of life in Charlottesville is not the fault of ‘many sides.’ It is racists and white supremacists.” Actress Leslie Grossman probably expressed the only-one-side view best.

Here, one side is demonstrating peacefully, though provocatively; the other side—the good side—is committing violent aggression. (Swastikas were extremely rare in Charlottesville, but they make for better “anti-racist” graphics than Confederate flags.) So this is the moral calculus of Joe Biden, the Virginia attorney general, and the rest of the Left. It wouldn’t matter if every hand lifted by Unite the Right was in strict self-defense; the violence is their fault. Racially conscious whites deserve violence simply because of what they think.

Virginia Governor Terry McAuliffe saw only one side, in a widely praised speech, telling Unite the Right, “You came here to hurt people, and you did hurt people.” Is Terry McAuliffe a mind-reader? Would they have hurt anything or anyone if counter-demonstrators had not showed up with shields and batons, screaming and throwing smoke bombs, determined to shut down the demonstration–and hurt “Nazis”?

One young white man did crash his car into demonstrators, killing one. We don’t yet know his motives, but even if he deliberately hurt people, there was just one of him, and everyone associated with Unite the Right has condemned him.

What about the police? They were clearly either incompetent or determined to shut down the rally before it began. The swarms of uniformed men on the scene did very little to separate demonstrators from counter-demonstrators. Television has broadcast one fistfight after another, with no police in sight. Besides the driver of car—who is charged with 2nd degree murder—those swarms of police made only three arrests. What were they doing?

The fighting, which started before the rally even had a chance to begin, was the excuse for police to declare it an “unlawful assembly” and call it off. Jason Kessler, who organized the rally, has rightly pointed out that this meant counter-demonstrators exercised the “heckler’s veto,” successfully silencing people with whom they disagreed. Instead of excerpts from pro-white speeches, the only thing media consumers therefore got was Confederate flags and brawling.

But Joe Biden tells us there is “only one side” to this story. Actually, there are three sides: Unite the Right, which gathered peacefully but defended itself; anti-racists who shut them down; and the police who let them do it.

There is a clear pattern to these events that not one mainstream outlet has noted. There is confrontation only when anti-whites harass and try to stop pro-white events. The reverse never happens. Lefties and non-whites can mount the most brazenly anti-white events, unmolested and with full media approval. It would be hard to imagine a clearer example of this contract—and of the entrenched bigotry we face—than yesterday’s events.

Jason Kessler is scheduled to make a statement to the press today at 2:00 p.m. He is smart man and a brave man. I’m sure we can trust him to make an excellent case for our side.

Update: Mr. Kessler set up microphones in front of the Charlottesville city hall to make his statement. Counter-demonstrators made such a racket that it was impossible for the press to hear what he was saying. Mr. Kessler then appears to have been pushed to the ground, and police escorted him away for his own safety. Once again, a pro-white message has been stifled by anti-white thugs.

Jared Taylor [Email him] is editor of American Renaissance and the author of Paved With Good Intentions: The Failure of Race Relations in Contemporary America. (For Peter Brimelow’s review, click here.) His most recent book is White Identity.

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  1. Maybe BLM is half-right about cops. They suck!!

    Police Brutality is certainly true against White Patriots. Cops pull back from black thugs but go after white patriots who support the police. What a world!

    As for the media, of course they would act this way.

    It pulled the same shi* with Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown.

    Martin was shot after attacking Zimmerman first. But it was ‘white hispanic kills kid armed only with skittles’.

    Michael Brown was shot for charging a cop. But the narrative was ‘hands up, don’t shoot’.

    Blacks are a protected class. Jewish elites need them for ‘white guilt’ pills.

    Blacks-as-victims narrative milks white guilt. That’s why Hollywood is making THREE Emmit Till movies.
    But Blacks-as-thugs narrative ends white guilt. If anything, it supports white defense and white pride.

    Whites are becoming Palestinianized.

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    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    Not true. Blacks get their share of police beat downs, but usually only when the police are confident in their numerical superiority, because the blacks fight back.
    , @Olorin
    Priss, LE units do not act on their own. They are deployed by those who give them orders.

    When those who give such orders want to help create the media narrative such as the one deliberately created here, they order LE to stand down.

    (This also happened at The Evergreen State College in May and June, and will resume in September. The police chief there quit in fury at being told by President George Bridges to stand down when members of the staff, faculty, and students were in specific danger. And then he ordered her and her officers OFF CAMPUS, leaving the entire community at the mercy of rioters and hostage-takers.)

    A separate question is who organized the "antifa"--who paid their way, who bought their gumbo, who made their signs, who sent them flashmob messages to assemble and create mayhem.

    This is all an exercise in American Pravda--our republic's official Opposition Party. This is all designed for propaganda purposes. Because frankly the left has nothing to go on of any consequence other than continual paranoia and hysteria.

    The point is not to maintain order or encourage maturity in speech or action.

    The point is to reiterate the Narrative and identify heretics for localized punishment.

    The point is to make something that could have gone very quietly into something that generates hundreds of millions of dollars' worth of clickbait. Clickbait that will be translated into brand loyalty for the Dems.

    This is why MoveOn asks for only a dollar or whatever in its online campaigns. It is a proven fact of mail order scams that if a person invests anything in an opinion, however small, they will hold that opinion more robustly for a longer time with a slower curve of cognitive extinction. Giving people a series of clicks, and the concomitant adrenaline surges those are designed to generate, is a similar mind and behavior engineering strategy. Investing emotion is even more powerful than investing a few dollars.

    It is the last gasp of bolshevism. Which, since it moved to and lodged itself in the US, has gotten very powerful indeed. But we have killed off more powerful evils than that in the past. And will do so again.

    , @woodNfish
    Cops are nothing more than the thug troops of the criminal state. "To Serve and Protect" is propaganda and a lie. Cops exist to oppress freedom. All the cops in Charlotte a well as the Mayor and his entire administration should be charged with causing rioting and mayhem and prosecuted with prejudice.
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  2. Bob Woodwort [AKA "John Boy Iowa"] says:

    Well, however brilliant Jared Taylor be, there is not going to be an American Renaissance or one for Russia, India, China… The rate and scope of scientific and technological progress is burying much of the past and ushering into ascendency a somewhat multi-national world of the very able and rich. It is likely China now presents the most promising basis for an emergent transnational policy confrontation about race (and gender differences, btw). Ever think of becoming a “missionary” in China, Jared?

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    • Replies: @anarchyst
    Jared Taylor STILL refuses to name "the elephant in the room". I have been "blacklisted" from commenting on American Renaissance for merely pointing out TRUTH.
    As far as I am concerned, American Renaissance is merely "controlled opposition", controlled by "you know who".
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  3. Charlottesville will be remembered. The first death in the American race war. It won’t be much of a war with Imperial Washington fully supporting the left. But war it will be now that whites understand they have been marked for destruction. Slowly/painfully the Right will get stronger and Washington will get weaker. Insurgencies work harden over time. And the Zempire is in steep decline and is hated and feared by pretty much the whole world.

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    How many whites were murdered and raped and assaulted and robbed by blacks on the day of the Charlottesville "riots," violence and mayhem that was incited by "antifa" and BLM fanatics, abetted by police who did nothing to prevent or stop the fighting and pandemonium, but which the MSM, including nearly all of the anchors and guests and reporters on Fox News, blamed entirely on the "white supremacists," "white nationalists," "racists," "Nazis," neo-Nazis, etc. And even on Fox, the white-hating "antifa" and BLM terrorists were described as "protesters," a word with positive, even heroic, connotations in this context, the "false narrative" of and inversion of reality by the MSM, including Fox, as to the actions and motives of the "protesters."
    , @Corvinus
    "Charlottesville will be remembered. The first death in the American race war. It won’t be much of a war with Imperial Washington fully supporting the left. But war it will be now that whites understand they have been marked for destruction. Slowly/painfully the Right will get stronger and Washington will get weaker. Insurgencies work harden over time. And the Zempire is in steep decline and is hated and feared by pretty much the whole world."

    What are you even talking about? When rhetoric like "anti-white" and "cuck" and "race traitor" are employed by whites against whites, some of who are conservative and AGREE that immigration and political correctness is out of control, fully expect a retaliatory response. Furthermore, the exercising of free speech always has consequences--positive and negative.

    Indeed, Mr. Kessler should have been able to speak in front of the Charlottesville city hall. But in the video where Kessler was running for his life, the police actually took down two Antifa protestors and put them in handcuffs. Now given the radical nature of both groups, why is it surprising that in a public venue there would NOT be a confrontation? And so long as white people who make their own decisions about race are labeled "anti-white thugs", and so long as the "pro-white message" is about Jews and globalists, there will continue to be street battles between the Coalition of the Right Fringe and the Coalition of the Left Fringe.
    , @Truth

    Charlottesville will be remembered. The first death in the American race war. But war it will be now that whites understand they have been marked for destruction. Slowly/painfully the Right will get stronger and Washington will get weaker. Insurgencies work harden over time.
     
    You got your Brady jersey out of the cleaners? I hear he's gonna play against Houston this weekend! Stock up on beer and salty snacks.
    , @epebble
    The first death in the American race war.

    Hmm, has been going on from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Powhatan_Wars to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posey_War

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Indian_Wars
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  4. Wally says: • Website

    Undercover video shows Democrat operatives admitting they incited violence at Trump rallies

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-17/caught-tape-clinton-funded-democrat-operatives-inciting-anarchy-trump-rallies

    At the forefront of all of this is the fraud promoted by Zionist Jews which enables & encourages the neo-Marxist anti white gentile actions.

    [MORE]

    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:

    http://codoh.com

    No name calling, level playing field debate here:

    http://forum.codoh.com

    Zionist Jew Nahum Goldmann, the founder of the World Jewish Congress said:

    “The historical mission of our world revolution is to rearrange a new culture of humanity to replace the previous social system. This conversion and re-organization of global society requires two essential steps: firstly, the destruction of the old established order, secondly, design and imposition of the new order. The first stage requires elimination of all frontier borders, nationhood and culture, public policy ethical barriers and social definitions, only then can the destroyed old system elements be replaced by the imposed system elements of our new order.

    The first task of our world revolution is Destruction. All social strata and social formations created by traditional society must be annihilated, individual men and women must be uprooted from their ancestral environment, torn out of their native milieus, no tradition of any type shall be permitted to remain as sacrosanct, traditional social norms must only be viewed as a disease to be eradicated, the ruling dictum of the new order is; nothing is good so everything must be criticized and abolished, everything that was, must be gone.”

    from: ‘The Spirit Of Militarism’, by Nahum Goldmann

    Goldmann was the founder & president of the World Jewish Congress

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  5. SMK says: • Website
    @WorkingClass
    Charlottesville will be remembered. The first death in the American race war. It won't be much of a war with Imperial Washington fully supporting the left. But war it will be now that whites understand they have been marked for destruction. Slowly/painfully the Right will get stronger and Washington will get weaker. Insurgencies work harden over time. And the Zempire is in steep decline and is hated and feared by pretty much the whole world.

    How many whites were murdered and raped and assaulted and robbed by blacks on the day of the Charlottesville “riots,” violence and mayhem that was incited by “antifa” and BLM fanatics, abetted by police who did nothing to prevent or stop the fighting and pandemonium, but which the MSM, including nearly all of the anchors and guests and reporters on Fox News, blamed entirely on the “white supremacists,” “white nationalists,” “racists,” “Nazis,” neo-Nazis, etc. And even on Fox, the white-hating “antifa” and BLM terrorists were described as “protesters,” a word with positive, even heroic, connotations in this context, the “false narrative” of and inversion of reality by the MSM, including Fox, as to the actions and motives of the “protesters.”

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    • Replies: @Wally
    Where was the outrage when the Marxists were burning UC Berkeley?

    Where is the outrage at the strict Israeli immigration laws which specify JEWS ONLY, while they demand massive 3rd world immigration into the US & Europe?

    Where is the outrage for the massive black on white murder & violence?

    Why aren't the ADL & SPLC correctly called Jewish supremacists?

    Why aren't Black Lives Matter & the NAACP correctly called 'black supremacists'?

    Why isn't 'La Raza' called 'brown supremacist'?

    Why are only white gentiles denied the right to form support groups?

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    One young white man did crash his car into demonstrators, killing one. We don’t yet know his motives, but even if he deliberately hurt people, there was just one of him, and everyone associated with Unite the Right has condemned him.

    Wow, the level of condemnation shown by this vileman, is…

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    Condemnation goes to motive; we don't know yet if his motive was to simply mow down people, which would be evil and criminal, or to escape being harassed or beaten in his car, in which case he was careless and negligent. You assume facts that are not in evidence.
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  7. Ron Unz says:

    There have been quite a few comment-threads on the Charlottesville Riot, and I think many of the commenters are being too hard on those “antifas” and their allies in government and the police…

    Basically, most people these days, certainly including most Americans, just worship the TeeVee. The TeeVee is their Divine Ruler, who instructs them as to Good and Evil…

    So if all the TeeVee people, even including lots of the FoxNews and NR types, tell them that over and over again that the Alt-Right represents Pure Evil, then that’s what it must be. And naturally lots of good-thinking true-blue American patriots feel they have to do their duty and fight against Pure Evil, in some cases, literally with baseball bats or clubs.

    When the G-d of the Old Testament instructed His worshipers to do all sorts of harsh things to Evildoers, surely they were regarded as heroes for following His commands. And that’s just the same with the local politicians, the police, and the antifa rioters.

    With the growth of the Internet, the Almighty Power of the TeeVee is draining away, but it can still command a good riot here and there…

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    • Replies: @JimB
    Maybe it's time for federalized ownership of all confederate monuments to protect them from destruction by pipsqueak mayors and city councils intent on baiting patriotic Americans. This appears to be a lather, rinse, and repeat strategy by low level progressive politicians intent on provoking street conflicts and creating violent spectacles to delegitimize all nationalism, white or otherwise.

    As for the events in Charlottesville, lets wait for the DOJ investigation to play out. So far the TeeVee seems to be batting a perfect zero on truthiness.
    , @Binyamin
    Ron, the Alt Right are pure evil. They are virtually indistinguishable from Nazis and Ku Klux Klan. The phrases, 'white nationalist', 'white supremacist' and Neo Nazi means the same. People who call themselves white nationalist are too cowardly to admit that they are effectively Neo Nazis. Senator Ted Cruz was right when he called them pure evil yesterday-I cannot quote him exactly but the gist of what he was saying was that when you are faced with evil you have to take a moral stand, and Ted Cruz is no left liberal, believe me. Have you read what Richard Spencer, the Nazi thug and Alt Right poster boy wrote recently? He has called for ethnic cleansing to create a white ethno state in America. Ethnic cleansing equals genocide and it is what ISIS are currently doing in the middle east to the Yazidis, the Christians and the Kurds.
    I think the media has been extremely generous to the Alt Right and has given it undeserved publicity and overlooked its tendency to violence, bigotry and intimidation. The Alt Right is an emerging proto- terrorist movement and most politically related violence and terrorism in the US over the past ten years has been committed by people on the far right rather than by Islamists. The security services knows about it yet the media has chosen to ignore this unpalatable fact. The security services has also known for some time that on-line radicalization of young white males, mainly the 'loser types' is causing a major security headache throughout America.
    Until last week Chancellorsville was a sleepy peaceful town where people just got on with their lives and got on with each other. Yesterday the town was invaded by uninvited Neo Nazis and KKK and the whole world saw on their TV screens the shameful spectacle of Nazi salutes in a small town America in the twenty first century.
    It is an irony Ron, that a significant fraction of the white nationalist crowd are foreign born extremists and hate preachers. I think it is time Homeland security moves in against them and carry out deportations. And finally Ron, you will earn some good Karma if you stop providing a platform to some of these foreign born right wing extremists and hate preachers.
    , @Jim Christian
    Fair enough, Ron, but this was one man and his trusty Dodge steed. When the TeeVee people take their violent road show further down South, they're going to meet good old boys with real guns and strong wills. Maybe the TeeVee people should stick to liberal cities surrounded by liberal Democrats and liberal college campuses where they are tolerated and people don't fight back?

    When it comes down to it, my money is on the good old boys on Southern turf.
    , @Jake
    The sacred TeeVee lying, sins b0th of omission and commission, is far from new even inn this matter of race-based revolution. TeeVee lied all through the 'Civil Rights' movement.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    Your comparison with the way the Hebrews of the first millenium BC got their rabid right instructions with the 21st century creatures of TV viewing is striking, shrewd and suggestive. Also, by no means least, about the interference run by social media.

    It evoked images adapted from 9/11 at the WTC. The towers are moving oceam liners running reinforcing seminars in goodthink for their largely passive passengers. They sre TV. The social media then acts by way of a number of strikes by light plsnes ar high speed from different angles each imparting a sharply expressed message heard for a few seconds.

    My non fanciful point is that some social media messages will attenuate the weight of TV's years of momentum... but some may reinforce it dangerously in a flash before older generated inertia can resume its dominance.

    Consider this just a first draft proposal for a thesis titled "Prolegomena to a Study of the Dynamic Interaction of Successive Generations of Media in the 21st Centtury".
    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    It should be noted of the fact the "conservative" leaning ACLU filed a lawsuit on behalf of the right of Kessler's group to hold "Unite the Right". The ACLU also has publicly stated that the police were given the order to stand down and not protect the Alt-Right speakers who were entering the park, nor the audience who were about to enter to listen to the speakers.

    At this time, it appears that Kessler has a case to be made vs. the Mayor and possibly the city of Charlottesville. He should ask the ACLU to help him and file the lawsuit in Federal Court that the Alt Right's Civil Rights were indeed violated and their First Amendment rights were not protected.

    , @John Gruskos
    The ancient Israelites may have been commanded to genocide the Amalekites, but God never commanded them to throw shit and bags of urine while cowardly hiding their faces behind black masks in the midst of a mob.

    If you're looking for a Biblical precedent, look at the mobs who crucified Christ and stoned St. Stephen.

    Antifa tactics are disgusting, cowardly, cruel, dishonest and altogether degrading to human dignity.

    All the most vile non-lethal tactics of the 20th century left are employed by Antifa, without any of the plausibly humanitarian aspects of the 20th century left, such as their commitment to economic equality.

    Antifa tactics seem to be a combination of:

    Trotsky's "permanent revolution" - they will never be satisfied.

    Rakosi's "salami tactics" - they isolate and cut off one slice at a time until nothing is left

    Mao's "struggle sessions" - they revel in the humiliation of individuals

    Herbert Marcuse's "polymorphous perversity" and Susan Sontag's "transgressivism" - the degrading and the disgusting are embraced precisely because they are degrading and disgusting.

    Saul Alinsky's "rules for radicals" - they isolate and target individuals, because individuals "hurt easier", and "a good tactic is one your people enjoy", and mobs have always enjoyed torturing the helpless.

    Markus Wolf's "Zersetzung" - psychological torture as a form of social control

    Joe Slovo's "no middle way" - justice and mercy are less important than achieving revolutionary goals.

    The Antifa foot soldiers may be less culpable than the powerful who egg them on, such as the SPLC, ADL, MSM, the political establishment, and their billionaire owners, but lets not pretend that their tactics aren't pure evil.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    There's a 1947 US government training film about resisting fascism that's gone viral recently, but one thing that's striking about it is how the Americans in the clip don't react violently to the fascist speaker.
    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/897218837946544130
    , @JackOH
    "The TeeVee is their Divine Ruler . . .".

    I've speculated publicly that the quasi-religious, catechetical certainty with which many opinions are held by ordinary people is a jumbled mash of post hoc fallacies, intellectual sloth, upchucked fragments of corporate propaganda, unexamined self-interest, the cult of lengthy but spotty formal education that drapes thought in a questionable authority, etc. Depends on the specific issue how opinions deviate so vastly from what the evidence says.

    I'm hoping for a good investigation of the Charlottesville incident.

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  8. Rod1963 says:

    You know what made the protest a “stupid on parade” show?

    The organizers let clowns in KKK and Nazi garb in the march. Wow talk about stupid and a PR disaster. Mr. Taylor the organizers may well have worked for the Democratic party for the disaster they created for our side.

    Next time around, please, please remove all Neo Nazis and KKK types. Hire men whose job it is to police the protestors to make sure any trouble makers are removed on the spot.

    Also they should have known the police would stand down. VA is a purples state run by a rabid Democrat who hates whites and the city had a liberal mayor – do the math. Anti-Fa was guaranteed to show up.

    Lastly if this is the sort of leadership that permeates the alt-right, it’s doomed. It needs to change and fast.

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    if the alt right used those shields to protect themselves and film that shit, they would get alot of points, alot of points!!! instead, they fought a melee :((( this could have been a great moment for the alt right to show it self off. with how everything went down, what makes it different than antifa??? no difference. and that silver dodge ramming people down, just made alt right way worst than antifa, hell, down right poisonous to the public now.

    then you have the KKK and nazis in the mist of it all. all legitimacy of the original protest was gone like smoke in the wind.

    , @Rosamond Vincy

    Sometimes a law is just on its face and unjust in its application. For instance, I have been arrested on a charge of parading without a permit. Now, there is nothing wrong in having an ordinance which requires a permit for a parade. But such an ordinance becomes unjust when it is used to maintain segregation and to deny citizens the First-Amendment privilege of peaceful assembly and protest.
    - Martin Luther King, Jr.
     
    If the Nazis and the KKK want to march, let them march. Frankly, I think they are morons for worrying about Jews, who are mostly ambitious for high-status, high-paying careers, instead of Muslims, who want to blow us all up, but if you let BLM march, you have to let everybody else march. That's the only way it's going to work.
    , @GourmetDan

    Lastly if this is the sort of leadership that permeates the alt-right, it’s doomed. It needs to change and fast.
     
    I think we can safely assume that political groups on both sides have been infiltrated and are subject to manipulation and control by agents provocateur. Yet the focus is such that few even thing to look behind the curtain.

    The general population simply cannot get out of the box...
    , @Anonymous
    >>>The organizers let clowns in KKK and Nazi garb in the march. Wow talk about stupid and a PR disaster. Mr. Taylor the organizers may well have worked for the Democratic party for the disaster they created for our side.<<<

    Nobody is that stupid. Maybe that was the reason of the exercise.
    Think about all it accomplished.
    With friends like these who needs enemies, etc..
    , @Anonymous
    On a different thread Whiskey suggested that maybe Richard Spencer actually works for George Soros. Any chance this could be true? The decision to align oneself and one's group with Nazis and the KKK is a terrible strategy, a recipe for failure a gross misrepresentation of the alt-right, and just bizarre.
    , @Johnny Smoggins
    "You know what made the protest a “stupid on parade” show?

    The organizers let clowns in KKK and Nazi garb in the march. Wow talk about stupid and a PR disaster. Mr. Taylor the organizers may well have worked for the Democratic party for the disaster they created for our side."

    Yes of course, because quoting Martin Luther King and giving into the demands of the left has worked out so well for conservatives up until now right?

    Time for boomer cucks to step aside and let the youth take over.
    , @aNanyMouse
    Good stuff, Rod, but rallying for Robt. E. Lee at all is the worst possible symbol of American white identity, short of Jeff Davis. Surely we can find whites who are more appropriate symbols of white achievement, and are thus less likely to be seen as wantonly provocative to blacks etc.

    Picking Lee rubs fence-sitters' (esp. Orientals, who are so compatible with whites) noses into the view of the alt-Right as a group reveling in exhibitionism, being pricks for the sake of being pricks. If whites can't think of a more appropriate symbol than Lee, then whites aren't as smart or stable as they purport to be.
    , @aNanyMouse
    The Derb, with his Chinese wife, ought to easily see the import of what I'm saying. Pushing R.E. Lee isn't going to grease unity among the Ice Peoples.
    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "Also they should have known the police would stand down."

    100% disagree. The ACLU had helped the Unite The Right rally secure the right to hold their event, and since it was well established that the event was going to occur the scheduled day, the police were duty bound to provide protection, just as they do for every other type of public protest, rally, demonstration, etc under the sun. That's part of their job, law and order, protection of civilians.

    Clearly the organizers were totally surprised that they wouldn't receive protection. Come on. That's a basic minimum of civilized society, the assumption that police will protect a public forum from violence and harm.

    I mean, unless someone can prove or establish that Kessler knew in advance that the police wouldn't help maintain public safety, that's really a non-sequitur.

    Anti-fa is going to show up, period. In other words any time a respected and reasonable conservative like Charles Murray gives a speech they don't like, or Milo, or Coulter, anybody that they deem to be unacceptable to their ideology. The only alternative to standing one's ground is to cower in fear, go underground, and never ever emerge in public to hold an event, 'cause it might make Antifa angry.

    Welcome to the new America: First Amendment right to assemble and publicly express one's views but OOPS!, that's only if you're part of the accepted class and hold PC opinions.
    , @Stan d Mute

    The organizers let clowns in KKK and Nazi garb in the march. Wow talk about stupid and a PR disaster. Mr. Taylor the organizers may well have worked for the Democratic party for the disaster they created for our side.
     
    Indeed. Instead of the silly costumes and adornments, each and every one should have carried a photo of a white victim of negro crime. We lose the propaganda war every day and so far the number of alt-right folks who get that is vanishingly small.

    Wake up you idiots! The communists have made "victimhood" the highest achievement of mankind. But theirs are victims of "feelz" and ours are victims of assault, robbery, rape, and murder. Force the commies to justify placing "hurt feelings" on the same plane as rape and murder victims. And remember the politicians' favorite mantra: "for the children." Publish and carry photos of all the dead white kids murdered (often tortured to death) by the commies' precious diversity.

    It truly is as if the alt-right is actually led by crypto-communists devoted to discrediting our goal of survival for our people.
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  9. Wally says:
    @SMK
    How many whites were murdered and raped and assaulted and robbed by blacks on the day of the Charlottesville "riots," violence and mayhem that was incited by "antifa" and BLM fanatics, abetted by police who did nothing to prevent or stop the fighting and pandemonium, but which the MSM, including nearly all of the anchors and guests and reporters on Fox News, blamed entirely on the "white supremacists," "white nationalists," "racists," "Nazis," neo-Nazis, etc. And even on Fox, the white-hating "antifa" and BLM terrorists were described as "protesters," a word with positive, even heroic, connotations in this context, the "false narrative" of and inversion of reality by the MSM, including Fox, as to the actions and motives of the "protesters."

    Where was the outrage when the Marxists were burning UC Berkeley?

    Where is the outrage at the strict Israeli immigration laws which specify JEWS ONLY, while they demand massive 3rd world immigration into the US & Europe?

    Where is the outrage for the massive black on white murder & violence?

    Why aren’t the ADL & SPLC correctly called Jewish supremacists?

    Why aren’t Black Lives Matter & the NAACP correctly called ‘black supremacists’?

    Why isn’t ‘La Raza’ called ‘brown supremacist’?

    Why are only white gentiles denied the right to form support groups?

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    Keep asking the questions! I think it is the only way forward that doesn't incur hate speech restrictions. The Right has to mirror everything the Left claims until the Left gets just how contradictory they have become.
    , @MEFOBILLS
    <b>Why are only white gentiles denied the right to form support groups?

    Our ((friends)) control media, and hence societal programming. Our friends have bought their way into the media by using in-group methods, while funding it with usury from private banking. Other rent schemes also contribute to the their funding mechanisms.

    A microcosm of this desire to buy and control the media, also happened to Russia during the Yeltsin years. Since then, some Russian media ((oligarchs)) have been removed from power. The buying of Russia was a similar mechanism to what happened in U.S., where bank "credit" was created from nothing, to then buy the country.

    An attempt to purchase Germany during and after Weimar hyperinflation is yet another example in history. The same finance mechanisms were used then as well. German people woke up one day to find much of their country in the hands of a foreign element.

    Allowing "international bank credit" to be funding source for Western world, is the West committing suicide. International bank credit are private for profit corporations, which have been given the power to create money by extending loans. This power was inveigled through hook and crook, by lying and scheming e.g Federal Reserve Act, Bank of England, etc.

    www.sovereignmoney.eu
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  10. JimB says:
    @Ron Unz
    There have been quite a few comment-threads on the Charlottesville Riot, and I think many of the commenters are being too hard on those "antifas" and their allies in government and the police...

    Basically, most people these days, certainly including most Americans, just worship the TeeVee. The TeeVee is their Divine Ruler, who instructs them as to Good and Evil...

    So if all the TeeVee people, even including lots of the FoxNews and NR types, tell them that over and over again that the Alt-Right represents Pure Evil, then that's what it must be. And naturally lots of good-thinking true-blue American patriots feel they have to do their duty and fight against Pure Evil, in some cases, literally with baseball bats or clubs.

    When the G-d of the Old Testament instructed His worshipers to do all sorts of harsh things to Evildoers, surely they were regarded as heroes for following His commands. And that's just the same with the local politicians, the police, and the antifa rioters.

    With the growth of the Internet, the Almighty Power of the TeeVee is draining away, but it can still command a good riot here and there...

    Maybe it’s time for federalized ownership of all confederate monuments to protect them from destruction by pipsqueak mayors and city councils intent on baiting patriotic Americans. This appears to be a lather, rinse, and repeat strategy by low level progressive politicians intent on provoking street conflicts and creating violent spectacles to delegitimize all nationalism, white or otherwise.

    As for the events in Charlottesville, lets wait for the DOJ investigation to play out. So far the TeeVee seems to be batting a perfect zero on truthiness.

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    Form a group to campaign to acquire unwanted statues and then see if you can negotiate to get some land to put them on.
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  11. Binyamin says:
    @Ron Unz
    There have been quite a few comment-threads on the Charlottesville Riot, and I think many of the commenters are being too hard on those "antifas" and their allies in government and the police...

    Basically, most people these days, certainly including most Americans, just worship the TeeVee. The TeeVee is their Divine Ruler, who instructs them as to Good and Evil...

    So if all the TeeVee people, even including lots of the FoxNews and NR types, tell them that over and over again that the Alt-Right represents Pure Evil, then that's what it must be. And naturally lots of good-thinking true-blue American patriots feel they have to do their duty and fight against Pure Evil, in some cases, literally with baseball bats or clubs.

    When the G-d of the Old Testament instructed His worshipers to do all sorts of harsh things to Evildoers, surely they were regarded as heroes for following His commands. And that's just the same with the local politicians, the police, and the antifa rioters.

    With the growth of the Internet, the Almighty Power of the TeeVee is draining away, but it can still command a good riot here and there...

    Ron, the Alt Right are pure evil. They are virtually indistinguishable from Nazis and Ku Klux Klan. The phrases, ‘white nationalist’, ‘white supremacist’ and Neo Nazi means the same. People who call themselves white nationalist are too cowardly to admit that they are effectively Neo Nazis. Senator Ted Cruz was right when he called them pure evil yesterday-I cannot quote him exactly but the gist of what he was saying was that when you are faced with evil you have to take a moral stand, and Ted Cruz is no left liberal, believe me. Have you read what Richard Spencer, the Nazi thug and Alt Right poster boy wrote recently? He has called for ethnic cleansing to create a white ethno state in America. Ethnic cleansing equals genocide and it is what ISIS are currently doing in the middle east to the Yazidis, the Christians and the Kurds.
    I think the media has been extremely generous to the Alt Right and has given it undeserved publicity and overlooked its tendency to violence, bigotry and intimidation. The Alt Right is an emerging proto- terrorist movement and most politically related violence and terrorism in the US over the past ten years has been committed by people on the far right rather than by Islamists. The security services knows about it yet the media has chosen to ignore this unpalatable fact. The security services has also known for some time that on-line radicalization of young white males, mainly the ‘loser types’ is causing a major security headache throughout America.
    Until last week Chancellorsville was a sleepy peaceful town where people just got on with their lives and got on with each other. Yesterday the town was invaded by uninvited Neo Nazis and KKK and the whole world saw on their TV screens the shameful spectacle of Nazi salutes in a small town America in the twenty first century.
    It is an irony Ron, that a significant fraction of the white nationalist crowd are foreign born extremists and hate preachers. I think it is time Homeland security moves in against them and carry out deportations. And finally Ron, you will earn some good Karma if you stop providing a platform to some of these foreign born right wing extremists and hate preachers.

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    For a Proto-terrorist movement, they sure are peaceful. They are not the ones that have initiated the violence, the left is. Cruz is misinformed, and you're simply a propagandist.
    , @DFH
    ' He has called for ethnic cleansing to create a white ethno state in America. Ethnic cleansing equals genocide and it is what ISIS are currently doing in the middle east to the Yazidis, the Christians and the Kurds'

    Funny you use that analogy and not the creation of Israel in 1948. Or is it only Jews that deserve an ethnic state and not white people?

    Ethnic cleansing can be peaceful (not to imply the creation of Israel was)
    , @Rich
    When you say "foreign born" are you referring to Senator Cruz? These groups, some of whom were local organizations, were there to peacefully protest the removal of historic monuments. They obeyed the law, obtained a permit, then tried to hold their rally. Bolshevik type organizations then showed up to prevent them from exercising their constitutional right to peacefully assemble and protest government actions. The government of this locality, and the state, are the people removing the monuments and don't want their opponents to have a platform, and so allowed the Leftists to violently prevent the rally. Are you really comfortable with the government sending out, or even allowing, thugs to shut down peaceful protests? Remember, the weapon you use against your enemies may one day be used against you.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    If i were an American I would very likely be immune to the charms of the white mationalists and find their rhetoric distasteful out of intellectual snobbery without condescending to deatailed debate. However I make that confession so that you will understand me clearly when I say that "white nationalist" is surely a pretty accurate and inoffensive term and description for someone who simply identifies with what he (with inevitable oversimplification) sees as the American culture and civilisation built up by white European-Americans before 1965. If you don't agree, why?
    , @Anonymous White Male
    “Ron, the Alt Right are pure evil.”

    Puh-leeze! Your (((people))) removed the concept of absolute standards from the debate when you took God out of the equation.

    “They are virtually indistinguishable from Nazis and Ku Klux Klan. The phrases, ‘white nationalist’, ‘white supremacist’ and Neo Nazi means the same.”

    They are quite distinguishable. Just because it suits your narrative for them to be the same doesn’t mean some won’t see your deliberate deception for what it is.

    “Have you read what Richard Spencer, the Nazi thug and Alt Right poster boy wrote recently? He has called for ethnic cleansing to create a white ethno state in America.”

    Quote please, so we can make that determination for ourselves. Your opinion is based on quicksand.

    “The Alt Right is an emerging proto- terrorist movement and most politically related violence and terrorism in the US over the past ten years has been committed by people on the far right rather than by Islamists.”

    Oh, god! No data, no facts. Just (((your))) disinformation.

    “Yesterday the town was invaded by uninvited Neo Nazis and KKK and the whole world saw on their TV screens the shameful spectacle of Nazi salutes in a small town America in the twenty first century.”

    They also saw anti-fa, BLM, and police and authoritarian suppression of free speech.

    “It is an irony Ron, that a significant fraction of the white nationalist crowd are foreign born extremists and hate preachers”

    What might that percentage be? When you make such claims, you need to provide a statistical measure. Ooooh….hate preachers. Hate is the worst, isn’t it? Too bad what is “hate” for (((you))) is self-preservation for the host.
    , @Wally
    What a load of supremacist Jew nonsense.

    Where is the outrage at the strict Israeli immigration laws which specify JEWS ONLY, while they demand massive 3rd world immigration into the US & Europe?

    And of course the Left wants everyone to forget this:
    Undercover video shows Democrat operatives admitting they incited violence at Trump rallies
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-17/caught-tape-clinton-funded-democrat-operatives-inciting-anarchy-trump-rallies
    https://youtu.be/5IuJGHuIkzY

    As for the dumb 'Nazi' thing, there were the ‘Nazis’ with the impossible '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' and there were the ‘Nazis’ without the impossible ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’.

    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here:
    http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com
    , @Johnny Smoggins
    "Ron, the Alt Right are pure evil. They are virtually indistinguishable from Nazis and Ku Klux Klan. The phrases, ‘white nationalist’, ‘white supremacist’ and Neo Nazi means the same."

    This is all a matter of perspective. To a Palestinian, the Star of David is a symbol of violence, hatred, oppression and genocide.
    , @Priss Factor
    If whites are evil, why make whites serve Israel and Jewish identity?

    Or, are whites evil only when they pursue white interests than Jewish ones?

    And who were behind Iraq War, Syria War, Libya War, mess in West Bank, Ukraine coup, new cold war, economic looting of Russia in 90s, the huge profits from addicting people on Opiods, and etc?

    Was it Alt Right?

    There are evil elements in Alt Right, just like there were radical extremist elements on the Prog side. In the 60s, rich Jews went 'radical chic' and supported black thugs and neo-marxist terrorists.

    But most of Alt Right is a reaction to total PC-ization of society that unduly blames all things on whites.
    , @skzion
    "The Alt Right is an emerging proto- terrorist movement and most politically related violence and terrorism in the US over the past ten years has been committed by people on the far right rather than by Islamists. The security services knows about it yet the media has chosen to ignore this...."

    Good grief, not this malarkey again! Muslims have been 1-1.4% of the population. So even if your nonsensical tally were correct, Muslims would be VASTLY more dangerous that non-Muslims in terms of terrorism. The "study" that you allude to also omitted such events as, oh, 9/11, and doesn't consider the numbers of killed and injured.

    I don't know who qualifies as "alt-right" in your mind, but the "alt-left" has vastly more political power, and perpetrates terror regularly, sometimes including shootings.

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  12. @Priss Factor
    Maybe BLM is half-right about cops. They suck!!

    Police Brutality is certainly true against White Patriots. Cops pull back from black thugs but go after white patriots who support the police. What a world!

    As for the media, of course they would act this way.

    It pulled the same shi* with Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown.

    Martin was shot after attacking Zimmerman first. But it was 'white hispanic kills kid armed only with skittles'.

    Michael Brown was shot for charging a cop. But the narrative was 'hands up, don't shoot'.

    Blacks are a protected class. Jewish elites need them for 'white guilt' pills.

    Blacks-as-victims narrative milks white guilt. That's why Hollywood is making THREE Emmit Till movies.
    But Blacks-as-thugs narrative ends white guilt. If anything, it supports white defense and white pride.

    Whites are becoming Palestinianized.

    Not true. Blacks get their share of police beat downs, but usually only when the police are confident in their numerical superiority, because the blacks fight back.

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    Not true. Blacks get their share of police beat downs, but usually only when the police are confident in their numerical superiority, because the blacks fight back.

    Only because they riot and go crazy.

    Alt Right don't act like that. They still got muscled by cops who left Antifanissary alone.
    , @Antonin Chigurh
    No. Blacks get their beat downs because they are constitutionally incapable of cooperating calmly with police during routine stops (if not being caught actually committing crime, which they do in abnormal proportion to their population numbers).

    But you know that. I could show you a dozen videos of 2 cops outnumbered 10 to 1 by feral blacks and the cops still try to do their job and control the ferals. Your swarthy pets are, generally speaking, out of control and incapable of civil interaction with police. But you know all that. Your desperate propagandizing is failing.
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  13. Binyamin says:

    Sorry, in my previous comment, I meant Charlottesville. A typo error.

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    'Sokay, Chancellorsville holds a treasured place in our hearts.
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  14. @anonymous

    One young white man did crash his car into demonstrators, killing one. We don’t yet know his motives, but even if he deliberately hurt people, there was just one of him, and everyone associated with Unite the Right has condemned him.
     
    Wow, the level of condemnation shown by this vileman, is...

    Condemnation goes to motive; we don’t know yet if his motive was to simply mow down people, which would be evil and criminal, or to escape being harassed or beaten in his car, in which case he was careless and negligent. You assume facts that are not in evidence.

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  15. ThereisaGod says: • Website

    Currently the issue is this: White people pushing back against being sold out by their bought-and-paid-for political masters are being collectively vilified by the curses “Nazis” and “Supremacists”.

    Exactly the same racial assertiveness from “Black Lives Matter” does not merit the charge ‘Black Supremacists’ but, rather, that these people are ‘Civil Rights Activists’.

    Never ever a mention of the obvious cause of all these problems. The fact that the Political class is (literally) owned by donations recycled from aid to Israel and redistributed by what is known as ‘the Jewish Lobby’ in the USA. Never mind the fact the The Talmud declares the unspeakable truth openly. Never mind that Christ warned the Jewish people and the world against exactly the people causing the problem…. He also condemned their “scribes” (uh-O)

    Supremacism??!! You bet.

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    Exactly the same racial assertiveness from “Black Lives Matter” does not merit the charge ‘Black Supremacists’ but, rather, that these people are ‘Civil Rights Activists’.
     
    Uh, BLM went out with rifles and killed cops. Are you sure Unite the Right did this?
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  16. Alt Right was set up like Vito Corleone(in hospital) was set up.

    Charlottesville Was A Total Setup:

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    "the police stood down . . . They were laughing at us behind our backs . . . They didn't protect us."

    What is the relationship of the sacrifice of the 32-year old Charlottesville woman to the on-screen killing of Neda?

    Let's revisit the attack on Scalise: What was his security detail doing sitting in the van? Did they imagine that someone who had evil designs on Their Man would attack the van and by so doing harm Scalise? Who were they supposed to be protecting -- themselves/ their ride, or the congressman?

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  17. Realist says:

    The death and multiple injuries caused by a white nationalist/white supremacist was a terrible turn of events. The families of the one killed and those injured as well as those injured are grief stricken. One stupid person has set back the White Nationalist agenda, probably for years.
    Most white people are content to ignore what is happening to them and live for the moment. Ignorance is bliss. As Mr. Unz says most Americans choose to let the talking heads do their thinking.

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  18. @Ron Unz
    There have been quite a few comment-threads on the Charlottesville Riot, and I think many of the commenters are being too hard on those "antifas" and their allies in government and the police...

    Basically, most people these days, certainly including most Americans, just worship the TeeVee. The TeeVee is their Divine Ruler, who instructs them as to Good and Evil...

    So if all the TeeVee people, even including lots of the FoxNews and NR types, tell them that over and over again that the Alt-Right represents Pure Evil, then that's what it must be. And naturally lots of good-thinking true-blue American patriots feel they have to do their duty and fight against Pure Evil, in some cases, literally with baseball bats or clubs.

    When the G-d of the Old Testament instructed His worshipers to do all sorts of harsh things to Evildoers, surely they were regarded as heroes for following His commands. And that's just the same with the local politicians, the police, and the antifa rioters.

    With the growth of the Internet, the Almighty Power of the TeeVee is draining away, but it can still command a good riot here and there...

    Fair enough, Ron, but this was one man and his trusty Dodge steed. When the TeeVee people take their violent road show further down South, they’re going to meet good old boys with real guns and strong wills. Maybe the TeeVee people should stick to liberal cities surrounded by liberal Democrats and liberal college campuses where they are tolerated and people don’t fight back?

    When it comes down to it, my money is on the good old boys on Southern turf.

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    When it comes down to it, my money is on the good old boys on Southern turf.
     
    I'm with you Bro.!

    Sincerely; General Robert E. Lee
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  19. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    Fox News reporter Doug McKelway was in attendance during yesterday’s deadly events in Charlottesville, VA, where he reported that the police were called off as soon as things started turning violent.

    “But when the tear gas started to fly, thrown by protesters, the police themselves began to evacuate then. I asked the guy who was in charge, “Where you going?” He said, “We’re leaving. It’s too dangerous.” They had a chance to nip this thing in the bud and they chose not to.“

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-13/charlottesville-police-called-when-violence-began-%E2%80%9Cwe%E2%80%99re-leaving-it%E2%80%99s-too-dangerous%E2%80%9D

    Unite the Right people weren’t the ones throwing cement-filled soda cans at people.

    Hillary’s idol, Saul Alinsky hidden hand is detectable in the lopsided reporting. America is getting a taste of those George Soros backed ‘Color Revolutions.’

    Was Vicki Nuland there, handing out cookies?

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  20. Looks to me like the police set up the whole affair by not being there. They knew there’d be violence and that’s what they wanted so they could cancel the event – “public safety.”

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  21. conatus says:

    Jesse Watters in this clip below, around 4:00 has some good snippets on the idea of a double standard and Collective Guilt.

    Schumer says of the Scalise shooting, “there is a lot of heated rhetoric from both directions”
    Pres. Obama of the sniper who killed five cops!”I think it is very hard to untangle the motives of this shooter” and “the danger is that we somehow suggest that the actions of a troubled individual speaks to some larger political statement across the country”

    Yet one nutty redneck in C-ville represents the motives of all White people. Therefore Whites should not be allowed to ever organize or lobby for their interests ever again. The message from the media is this: Collective guilt for thee but not for me

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  22. Too many on the right still think cops and the military are the good guys. They aren’t. Just because your brother in law the cop once told a “racist” joke at a barbecue doesn’t mean the cops are on our side. The government pays their cheques and it is to them that they are beholden. What this means in practical terms is that any cop will gladly blow your brains out, even if you’re holding an infant (like Vicky Weaver was), if a Joe Biden type decides that you’re “a Nazi”.

    Let the cucks worship cops. The far right should have the same hatred and contempt for them that BLM does.

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    Well f*cking said. Not our people.
    , @Rurik

    The far right should have the same hatred and contempt for them that BLM does.
     
    agree when it comes to federal marshals and most local cops, but not all

    Sheriff Joe comes to mind. If the Fiend hates a man that much, there must be something good about him.

    but most of the time, you're right, and a cop will blow your brains out or shoot your dog for any reason or none, and knows he can lie on the stand and will likely suffer no consequences due to cretins on the jury and a ((legal system)) that is often corrupt
    , @Stan d Mute

    Let the cucks worship cops. The far right should have the same hatred and contempt for them that BLM does.
     
    I'm sorry my friend, but you are VERY wrong. The far right, indeed all white people, should have FAR more hatred and contempt for pigs than do the BLM negroes and their communist backers. Have you read Colin Flaherty's books? Watched his videos?

    Every single day in America, white men, women, and children are brutalized (often fatally) by negroes that the pigs refuse to arrest. Instead, these pigs write us traffic tickets or take naps at home or whatever they're doing while solving fewer than half of the rapes and murders in America. Based on successful prosecution numbers, you'd believe negroes are brilliant arch-villains rather than IQ 85 idiots who leave a trail of evidence the average Down Syndrome cop could follow.

    If the pigs did their jobs, I'd support them. But then if the pigs had wings they'd fly..
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  23. KenH says:

    The (((media))) has been telling many whoppers about the event, but surprisingly even FOX has signed on to the fake news. No media outlet has reported that affirmative action vice mayor of Charlottesville, Wes Bellamy, is a black panther. Even “we report, you decide” FOX has gone fake and failed to report this.

    Essentially the media act like Charlottesville, VA is Hollister, CA in 1947 when bikers rampaged through the town. Only in this case it was hideously evil white supremacists.

    So it’s now countdown to narrative collapse and when the left loses this narrative they will flush it down the memory hole and act as if it never happened. Until the next time.

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    Essentially the media act like Charlottesville, VA is Hollister, CA in 1947 when bikers rampaged through the town.
     
    Apparently, the Hollister motorcycle 'riot' was fake news.

    "The bar owners were standing out front of the bars saying 'Bring your bike in!' They put mine right up on the bar.
    On Sunday, the cops came with riot guns and told us all to pack up and leave. At first, we just sat on the curb and laughed at them, because there was no riot going on, but we all left anyway."

    " No one was killed or raped; there was no destruction of property, no arson, or looting; in fact, no locals suffered any harm at all."
    There are lies, damned lies...and media lies.

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  24. Brabantian says: • Website

    Perhaps little really new under the sun … We appear to have a replay of 1920s Europe, where angry youth of Left & Right fought in the streets

    But in Weimar Germany, officialdom favoured the Right that included Hitler … and now officialdom more favours the Left ‘AntiFa’, who have picked up the ‘diversity’ banner for minorities, LGBTs, migrants etc

    And we also seem to have a replay of 1990s USA, where the previous generation of baby boomers gathered in a rightist ‘militia’ movement, that was effectively put down & de-moralised by Oklahoma City’s federal building bombing of 19 April 1995, said by many to be a false flag or very suspicious incident, the late Gore Vidal notably amongst the ‘it was a conspiracy’ critics

    There are good questions about the killing-by-motorcar by ‘Mr James Fields son of Ms Samantha Bloom’, with his stunt-man reverse driving … to the point people are questioning if the arrested man is some kind of patsy / false flag agent … Anomalies in the crash videos are discussed in detail here:

    http://www.newnationalist.net/2017/08/13/an-examination-of-the-charlottesville-car-crash-accident-assault-or-staged-event/

    This post on the Unz sidebar by an eye-witness in Charlottesville, was very well done re the ongoing media deception as to who started the violence there:

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-system-revealed-antifa-virginia-politicians-and-police-work-together-to-shut-down-unitetheright/

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    Hitler and the Nazis were NOT Right wing. 'Nazi' is a nickname for National Socialist Worker's Party of Germany. Nazis were socialists. The Nazis were almost uniformly anything but traditional Christian in religious/philosophical outlook, and most of the leadership was anti-Christian.

    And the Nazis were filled with gays. Take out the gays, and the Brownshirts would have had virtually 0 leadership.
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  25. Jake says:

    Cultural Marxists act like old style classical Marxists, with the shifted emphasis from innocent victim proletarians vs. Evil capitalists to innocent victim non-whites and non-Christians vs. EVIL whites and Christians.

    In each case, the former groups are always justified in any tactics, any violence, and the latter groups are always wrong, always EVIL.

    The specifics of the American version are the natural, inherent, and all but necessary fruit of Honest Abe Lincoln and his ‘Civil War’ and then his party’s Reconstruction.

    And that is the reason that every ‘racist’ statement ever made by the great emancipator and his allies should be ubiquitous on all non-Mainstream sites.

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    My latest meme is Marxism leads to Narxism. I quite like it because it suggests being narked which is what people essentially are. All this "flag" waving is giving the Marxists fuel for more censorship.
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  26. Jake says:
    @Ron Unz
    There have been quite a few comment-threads on the Charlottesville Riot, and I think many of the commenters are being too hard on those "antifas" and their allies in government and the police...

    Basically, most people these days, certainly including most Americans, just worship the TeeVee. The TeeVee is their Divine Ruler, who instructs them as to Good and Evil...

    So if all the TeeVee people, even including lots of the FoxNews and NR types, tell them that over and over again that the Alt-Right represents Pure Evil, then that's what it must be. And naturally lots of good-thinking true-blue American patriots feel they have to do their duty and fight against Pure Evil, in some cases, literally with baseball bats or clubs.

    When the G-d of the Old Testament instructed His worshipers to do all sorts of harsh things to Evildoers, surely they were regarded as heroes for following His commands. And that's just the same with the local politicians, the police, and the antifa rioters.

    With the growth of the Internet, the Almighty Power of the TeeVee is draining away, but it can still command a good riot here and there...

    The sacred TeeVee lying, sins b0th of omission and commission, is far from new even inn this matter of race-based revolution. TeeVee lied all through the ‘Civil Rights’ movement.

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    And then documentarists took up those lies, expanded on them, and retconned history.

    And then the Ed Biz took up the documentaries AS history.

    And then the politicians made it illegal to question that retconned history from those documentaries.

    And then the political campaign industry made extreme polarization of politicians a distraction from the retconned history.

    There is a deep structure to all this. It is not new, as you point out, but those who have assumed centralized control over mass communications are demmed to a man if they're going to let their power go without a fight. And make no mistake: to maintain that power they will resort to civil war. And as usual, they will exempt themselves from it either domestically or by repairing to their Doomstead Estancias in Peru or whatever.
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  27. Jake says:

    A major part of the problem can be seen at American Conservative. Racially heart bleeding Rod Dreher immediately damned those who dared to attempt to rally against PC and in defense of white heritage.

    Dreher can’t seem to add one and one, not when his heart is asked to bleed f0r the Numinous Negro. The same crowd assembled at Charlottesville to prevent speech they oppose could destroy a rally to defend historic Christian definitions of marriage, family, and sexual morality, and Dreher would see what is going on and where the ‘peaceful’ and ‘tolerant’ Left will lead: Hell, in multiple senses.

    But make the matter one of race, and Dreher drools all over himself to damn anyone who fails to bow to the Left.

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    The American Cuckservative is now simply an infomercial for peddling canned sanctimony and carressing the editor's ego. Jesus Dreher constantly posts pictures of himself (including the little Drehers) performing self-righteous activities like ladling out slop to 300 lb swamp rats (of all creeds and colors, of course) at the local food bank. When not servicing the obese swamp morons, he finds time to worship the sky fag several times a week. You see, Jesus Dreher is better than you and TAC exists to advertise the fact. Oh, and their censoring of comments (and banning posters) is the most extreme of any site on the net......
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  28. Jake says:
    @Brabantian
    Perhaps little really new under the sun ... We appear to have a replay of 1920s Europe, where angry youth of Left & Right fought in the streets

    But in Weimar Germany, officialdom favoured the Right that included Hitler ... and now officialdom more favours the Left 'AntiFa', who have picked up the 'diversity' banner for minorities, LGBTs, migrants etc

    And we also seem to have a replay of 1990s USA, where the previous generation of baby boomers gathered in a rightist 'militia' movement, that was effectively put down & de-moralised by Oklahoma City's federal building bombing of 19 April 1995, said by many to be a false flag or very suspicious incident, the late Gore Vidal notably amongst the 'it was a conspiracy' critics

    There are good questions about the killing-by-motorcar by 'Mr James Fields son of Ms Samantha Bloom', with his stunt-man reverse driving ... to the point people are questioning if the arrested man is some kind of patsy / false flag agent ... Anomalies in the crash videos are discussed in detail here:
    http://www.newnationalist.net/2017/08/13/an-examination-of-the-charlottesville-car-crash-accident-assault-or-staged-event/

    This post on the Unz sidebar by an eye-witness in Charlottesville, was very well done re the ongoing media deception as to who started the violence there:
    http://www.unz.com/article/the-system-revealed-antifa-virginia-politicians-and-police-work-together-to-shut-down-unitetheright/

    Hitler and the Nazis were NOT Right wing. ‘Nazi’ is a nickname for National Socialist Worker’s Party of Germany. Nazis were socialists. The Nazis were almost uniformly anything but traditional Christian in religious/philosophical outlook, and most of the leadership was anti-Christian.

    And the Nazis were filled with gays. Take out the gays, and the Brownshirts would have had virtually 0 leadership.

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    Hitler did take them out, when he had no more use for them, in the Night of the Long Knives (which eliminated the SA). Ernst Rohm wasn't the only early Nazi (gay, in his case, but there were others who were not) who was surprised to discover he was in the crosshairs of an organization he had helped to found.
    One of the Nazi rallies filmed by Leni Riefenstahl has a ritual reassuring everybody that there was no feud between different branches of the NSDAP. How much you wanna bet Hitler and Goebbels had already decided to put a hit on them when they planned this ritual? Contrary to popular perception, they did have a sense of humor--a thoroughly sadistic one.
    , @Bob Woodwort
    "...NOT right wing" is an interesting observation. Oswald Mosley , a British politico and intellectual who was disposed favorably in the 1930's toward Mussolini and Hitler, made the point that
    fascism cut cleanly across the political spectrum of Left / Right. Of course, fascism is a bit over inclusive to refer to Mussolini's corporate state and Hitler's reclamations from the territorial re-designations after World War I. But it is not clear but what the lexically embedded prominence of terms like "Right' and "Left" has become more a point of confusion than of coarse reflection of reality. The attempt beginning in the mid 70's of the British (German born) psychologist, Hans Eysenck, to delineate a major personality dimension of "Psychoticism" has enduring heuristic value.

    The more common sense paraphrase of this designation was "Tough Mindedness". It would appear that a quality imperfectly defined by "Tough Mindedness" is manifest in organizations as overtly
    disparate as the SS or the NKVD or the "Wild Weasels" of the "Green Berets". At any rate, conventional, lexically embedded, political distinctions like "Left" and "Right" may by how
    contribute more confusion than primer insight ? and are more MSM ratings friendly than
    insight useful?
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  29. iffen says:
    @Binyamin
    Sorry, in my previous comment, I meant Charlottesville. A typo error.

    ‘Sokay, Chancellorsville holds a treasured place in our hearts.

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  30. Lara says:

    If this statue is so meaningful to these people, they should offer to move it to a town that will appreciate it. I would like to live in a town with a cool statue like that.

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    If this statue is so meaningful to these people, they should offer to move it to a town that will appreciate it. I would like to live in a town with a cool statue like that.
     
    that's the ticket

    demographics are destiny, and these pitiful white Americans haven't figured that out yet, especially when the federal government and our media is their blood enemy

    people need to vote with their feet, and forsake their beloved deep south. They need to walk away from the lands and landscapes of their heritage and lives, and move on to whiter pastures. When we leave, we will take the tax base with us, and the innovative spirit and ability. Leave California and New York and Atlanta to the dregs and SJW- who they'll soon feed on, once the white working class is gone, and the places descend into Zimbabwes and Detroits.

    it's high time that Atlas shrugged
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  31. @Binyamin
    Ron, the Alt Right are pure evil. They are virtually indistinguishable from Nazis and Ku Klux Klan. The phrases, 'white nationalist', 'white supremacist' and Neo Nazi means the same. People who call themselves white nationalist are too cowardly to admit that they are effectively Neo Nazis. Senator Ted Cruz was right when he called them pure evil yesterday-I cannot quote him exactly but the gist of what he was saying was that when you are faced with evil you have to take a moral stand, and Ted Cruz is no left liberal, believe me. Have you read what Richard Spencer, the Nazi thug and Alt Right poster boy wrote recently? He has called for ethnic cleansing to create a white ethno state in America. Ethnic cleansing equals genocide and it is what ISIS are currently doing in the middle east to the Yazidis, the Christians and the Kurds.
    I think the media has been extremely generous to the Alt Right and has given it undeserved publicity and overlooked its tendency to violence, bigotry and intimidation. The Alt Right is an emerging proto- terrorist movement and most politically related violence and terrorism in the US over the past ten years has been committed by people on the far right rather than by Islamists. The security services knows about it yet the media has chosen to ignore this unpalatable fact. The security services has also known for some time that on-line radicalization of young white males, mainly the 'loser types' is causing a major security headache throughout America.
    Until last week Chancellorsville was a sleepy peaceful town where people just got on with their lives and got on with each other. Yesterday the town was invaded by uninvited Neo Nazis and KKK and the whole world saw on their TV screens the shameful spectacle of Nazi salutes in a small town America in the twenty first century.
    It is an irony Ron, that a significant fraction of the white nationalist crowd are foreign born extremists and hate preachers. I think it is time Homeland security moves in against them and carry out deportations. And finally Ron, you will earn some good Karma if you stop providing a platform to some of these foreign born right wing extremists and hate preachers.

    For a Proto-terrorist movement, they sure are peaceful. They are not the ones that have initiated the violence, the left is. Cruz is misinformed, and you’re simply a propagandist.

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    In what must be a sign of the end times, I agree with Quartermaster.
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  32. DFH says:
    @Binyamin
    Ron, the Alt Right are pure evil. They are virtually indistinguishable from Nazis and Ku Klux Klan. The phrases, 'white nationalist', 'white supremacist' and Neo Nazi means the same. People who call themselves white nationalist are too cowardly to admit that they are effectively Neo Nazis. Senator Ted Cruz was right when he called them pure evil yesterday-I cannot quote him exactly but the gist of what he was saying was that when you are faced with evil you have to take a moral stand, and Ted Cruz is no left liberal, believe me. Have you read what Richard Spencer, the Nazi thug and Alt Right poster boy wrote recently? He has called for ethnic cleansing to create a white ethno state in America. Ethnic cleansing equals genocide and it is what ISIS are currently doing in the middle east to the Yazidis, the Christians and the Kurds.
    I think the media has been extremely generous to the Alt Right and has given it undeserved publicity and overlooked its tendency to violence, bigotry and intimidation. The Alt Right is an emerging proto- terrorist movement and most politically related violence and terrorism in the US over the past ten years has been committed by people on the far right rather than by Islamists. The security services knows about it yet the media has chosen to ignore this unpalatable fact. The security services has also known for some time that on-line radicalization of young white males, mainly the 'loser types' is causing a major security headache throughout America.
    Until last week Chancellorsville was a sleepy peaceful town where people just got on with their lives and got on with each other. Yesterday the town was invaded by uninvited Neo Nazis and KKK and the whole world saw on their TV screens the shameful spectacle of Nazi salutes in a small town America in the twenty first century.
    It is an irony Ron, that a significant fraction of the white nationalist crowd are foreign born extremists and hate preachers. I think it is time Homeland security moves in against them and carry out deportations. And finally Ron, you will earn some good Karma if you stop providing a platform to some of these foreign born right wing extremists and hate preachers.

    ‘ He has called for ethnic cleansing to create a white ethno state in America. Ethnic cleansing equals genocide and it is what ISIS are currently doing in the middle east to the Yazidis, the Christians and the Kurds’

    Funny you use that analogy and not the creation of Israel in 1948. Or is it only Jews that deserve an ethnic state and not white people?

    Ethnic cleansing can be peaceful (not to imply the creation of Israel was)

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    >Funny you use that analogy and not the creation of Israel in 1948. Or is it only Jews that deserve an ethnic state and not white people?

    From someone who calls himself Binyamin, what else would you expect?
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  33. @Rod1963
    You know what made the protest a "stupid on parade" show?

    The organizers let clowns in KKK and Nazi garb in the march. Wow talk about stupid and a PR disaster. Mr. Taylor the organizers may well have worked for the Democratic party for the disaster they created for our side.

    Next time around, please, please remove all Neo Nazis and KKK types. Hire men whose job it is to police the protestors to make sure any trouble makers are removed on the spot.

    Also they should have known the police would stand down. VA is a purples state run by a rabid Democrat who hates whites and the city had a liberal mayor - do the math. Anti-Fa was guaranteed to show up.

    Lastly if this is the sort of leadership that permeates the alt-right, it's doomed. It needs to change and fast.

    if the alt right used those shields to protect themselves and film that shit, they would get alot of points, alot of points!!! instead, they fought a melee :((( this could have been a great moment for the alt right to show it self off. with how everything went down, what makes it different than antifa??? no difference. and that silver dodge ramming people down, just made alt right way worst than antifa, hell, down right poisonous to the public now.

    then you have the KKK and nazis in the mist of it all. all legitimacy of the original protest was gone like smoke in the wind.

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  34. Rich says:
    @Binyamin
    Ron, the Alt Right are pure evil. They are virtually indistinguishable from Nazis and Ku Klux Klan. The phrases, 'white nationalist', 'white supremacist' and Neo Nazi means the same. People who call themselves white nationalist are too cowardly to admit that they are effectively Neo Nazis. Senator Ted Cruz was right when he called them pure evil yesterday-I cannot quote him exactly but the gist of what he was saying was that when you are faced with evil you have to take a moral stand, and Ted Cruz is no left liberal, believe me. Have you read what Richard Spencer, the Nazi thug and Alt Right poster boy wrote recently? He has called for ethnic cleansing to create a white ethno state in America. Ethnic cleansing equals genocide and it is what ISIS are currently doing in the middle east to the Yazidis, the Christians and the Kurds.
    I think the media has been extremely generous to the Alt Right and has given it undeserved publicity and overlooked its tendency to violence, bigotry and intimidation. The Alt Right is an emerging proto- terrorist movement and most politically related violence and terrorism in the US over the past ten years has been committed by people on the far right rather than by Islamists. The security services knows about it yet the media has chosen to ignore this unpalatable fact. The security services has also known for some time that on-line radicalization of young white males, mainly the 'loser types' is causing a major security headache throughout America.
    Until last week Chancellorsville was a sleepy peaceful town where people just got on with their lives and got on with each other. Yesterday the town was invaded by uninvited Neo Nazis and KKK and the whole world saw on their TV screens the shameful spectacle of Nazi salutes in a small town America in the twenty first century.
    It is an irony Ron, that a significant fraction of the white nationalist crowd are foreign born extremists and hate preachers. I think it is time Homeland security moves in against them and carry out deportations. And finally Ron, you will earn some good Karma if you stop providing a platform to some of these foreign born right wing extremists and hate preachers.

    When you say “foreign born” are you referring to Senator Cruz? These groups, some of whom were local organizations, were there to peacefully protest the removal of historic monuments. They obeyed the law, obtained a permit, then tried to hold their rally. Bolshevik type organizations then showed up to prevent them from exercising their constitutional right to peacefully assemble and protest government actions. The government of this locality, and the state, are the people removing the monuments and don’t want their opponents to have a platform, and so allowed the Leftists to violently prevent the rally. Are you really comfortable with the government sending out, or even allowing, thugs to shut down peaceful protests? Remember, the weapon you use against your enemies may one day be used against you.

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  35. helena says:
    @Wally
    Where was the outrage when the Marxists were burning UC Berkeley?

    Where is the outrage at the strict Israeli immigration laws which specify JEWS ONLY, while they demand massive 3rd world immigration into the US & Europe?

    Where is the outrage for the massive black on white murder & violence?

    Why aren't the ADL & SPLC correctly called Jewish supremacists?

    Why aren't Black Lives Matter & the NAACP correctly called 'black supremacists'?

    Why isn't 'La Raza' called 'brown supremacist'?

    Why are only white gentiles denied the right to form support groups?

    Keep asking the questions! I think it is the only way forward that doesn’t incur hate speech restrictions. The Right has to mirror everything the Left claims until the Left gets just how contradictory they have become.

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  36. helena says:
    @JimB
    Maybe it's time for federalized ownership of all confederate monuments to protect them from destruction by pipsqueak mayors and city councils intent on baiting patriotic Americans. This appears to be a lather, rinse, and repeat strategy by low level progressive politicians intent on provoking street conflicts and creating violent spectacles to delegitimize all nationalism, white or otherwise.

    As for the events in Charlottesville, lets wait for the DOJ investigation to play out. So far the TeeVee seems to be batting a perfect zero on truthiness.

    Form a group to campaign to acquire unwanted statues and then see if you can negotiate to get some land to put them on.

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  37. helena says:
    @Jake
    Cultural Marxists act like old style classical Marxists, with the shifted emphasis from innocent victim proletarians vs. Evil capitalists to innocent victim non-whites and non-Christians vs. EVIL whites and Christians.

    In each case, the former groups are always justified in any tactics, any violence, and the latter groups are always wrong, always EVIL.

    The specifics of the American version are the natural, inherent, and all but necessary fruit of Honest Abe Lincoln and his 'Civil War' and then his party's Reconstruction.

    And that is the reason that every 'racist' statement ever made by the great emancipator and his allies should be ubiquitous on all non-Mainstream sites.

    My latest meme is Marxism leads to Narxism. I quite like it because it suggests being narked which is what people essentially are. All this “flag” waving is giving the Marxists fuel for more censorship.

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    Super edgy. You're obviously going to win the war of ideology if you keep being so clever.
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  38. @Binyamin
    Ron, the Alt Right are pure evil. They are virtually indistinguishable from Nazis and Ku Klux Klan. The phrases, 'white nationalist', 'white supremacist' and Neo Nazi means the same. People who call themselves white nationalist are too cowardly to admit that they are effectively Neo Nazis. Senator Ted Cruz was right when he called them pure evil yesterday-I cannot quote him exactly but the gist of what he was saying was that when you are faced with evil you have to take a moral stand, and Ted Cruz is no left liberal, believe me. Have you read what Richard Spencer, the Nazi thug and Alt Right poster boy wrote recently? He has called for ethnic cleansing to create a white ethno state in America. Ethnic cleansing equals genocide and it is what ISIS are currently doing in the middle east to the Yazidis, the Christians and the Kurds.
    I think the media has been extremely generous to the Alt Right and has given it undeserved publicity and overlooked its tendency to violence, bigotry and intimidation. The Alt Right is an emerging proto- terrorist movement and most politically related violence and terrorism in the US over the past ten years has been committed by people on the far right rather than by Islamists. The security services knows about it yet the media has chosen to ignore this unpalatable fact. The security services has also known for some time that on-line radicalization of young white males, mainly the 'loser types' is causing a major security headache throughout America.
    Until last week Chancellorsville was a sleepy peaceful town where people just got on with their lives and got on with each other. Yesterday the town was invaded by uninvited Neo Nazis and KKK and the whole world saw on their TV screens the shameful spectacle of Nazi salutes in a small town America in the twenty first century.
    It is an irony Ron, that a significant fraction of the white nationalist crowd are foreign born extremists and hate preachers. I think it is time Homeland security moves in against them and carry out deportations. And finally Ron, you will earn some good Karma if you stop providing a platform to some of these foreign born right wing extremists and hate preachers.

    If i were an American I would very likely be immune to the charms of the white mationalists and find their rhetoric distasteful out of intellectual snobbery without condescending to deatailed debate. However I make that confession so that you will understand me clearly when I say that “white nationalist” is surely a pretty accurate and inoffensive term and description for someone who simply identifies with what he (with inevitable oversimplification) sees as the American culture and civilisation built up by white European-Americans before 1965. If you don’t agree, why?

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  39. @Binyamin
    Ron, the Alt Right are pure evil. They are virtually indistinguishable from Nazis and Ku Klux Klan. The phrases, 'white nationalist', 'white supremacist' and Neo Nazi means the same. People who call themselves white nationalist are too cowardly to admit that they are effectively Neo Nazis. Senator Ted Cruz was right when he called them pure evil yesterday-I cannot quote him exactly but the gist of what he was saying was that when you are faced with evil you have to take a moral stand, and Ted Cruz is no left liberal, believe me. Have you read what Richard Spencer, the Nazi thug and Alt Right poster boy wrote recently? He has called for ethnic cleansing to create a white ethno state in America. Ethnic cleansing equals genocide and it is what ISIS are currently doing in the middle east to the Yazidis, the Christians and the Kurds.
    I think the media has been extremely generous to the Alt Right and has given it undeserved publicity and overlooked its tendency to violence, bigotry and intimidation. The Alt Right is an emerging proto- terrorist movement and most politically related violence and terrorism in the US over the past ten years has been committed by people on the far right rather than by Islamists. The security services knows about it yet the media has chosen to ignore this unpalatable fact. The security services has also known for some time that on-line radicalization of young white males, mainly the 'loser types' is causing a major security headache throughout America.
    Until last week Chancellorsville was a sleepy peaceful town where people just got on with their lives and got on with each other. Yesterday the town was invaded by uninvited Neo Nazis and KKK and the whole world saw on their TV screens the shameful spectacle of Nazi salutes in a small town America in the twenty first century.
    It is an irony Ron, that a significant fraction of the white nationalist crowd are foreign born extremists and hate preachers. I think it is time Homeland security moves in against them and carry out deportations. And finally Ron, you will earn some good Karma if you stop providing a platform to some of these foreign born right wing extremists and hate preachers.

    “Ron, the Alt Right are pure evil.”

    Puh-leeze! Your (((people))) removed the concept of absolute standards from the debate when you took God out of the equation.

    “They are virtually indistinguishable from Nazis and Ku Klux Klan. The phrases, ‘white nationalist’, ‘white supremacist’ and Neo Nazi means the same.”

    They are quite distinguishable. Just because it suits your narrative for them to be the same doesn’t mean some won’t see your deliberate deception for what it is.

    “Have you read what Richard Spencer, the Nazi thug and Alt Right poster boy wrote recently? He has called for ethnic cleansing to create a white ethno state in America.”

    Quote please, so we can make that determination for ourselves. Your opinion is based on quicksand.

    “The Alt Right is an emerging proto- terrorist movement and most politically related violence and terrorism in the US over the past ten years has been committed by people on the far right rather than by Islamists.”

    Oh, god! No data, no facts. Just (((your))) disinformation.

    “Yesterday the town was invaded by uninvited Neo Nazis and KKK and the whole world saw on their TV screens the shameful spectacle of Nazi salutes in a small town America in the twenty first century.”

    They also saw anti-fa, BLM, and police and authoritarian suppression of free speech.

    “It is an irony Ron, that a significant fraction of the white nationalist crowd are foreign born extremists and hate preachers”

    What might that percentage be? When you make such claims, you need to provide a statistical measure. Ooooh….hate preachers. Hate is the worst, isn’t it? Too bad what is “hate” for (((you))) is self-preservation for the host.

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  40. Joe Hide says:

    This article gives the other side of events in a way that leads this reader to believe he probably is right. I have rubbed shoulders with people of almost every race and ethnic group, and found we all have common enemies. The pychopath, deceiving, narcissistic, greedy, self- involved in every group always attempt to destructively manipulate those just trying to humanly live their lives. The technology exists to identify the parasites. To start, candidates for public office and powerful positions should be screened for the above inhuman characteristics and the results made public. They could never win an election again.

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  41. @Ron Unz
    There have been quite a few comment-threads on the Charlottesville Riot, and I think many of the commenters are being too hard on those "antifas" and their allies in government and the police...

    Basically, most people these days, certainly including most Americans, just worship the TeeVee. The TeeVee is their Divine Ruler, who instructs them as to Good and Evil...

    So if all the TeeVee people, even including lots of the FoxNews and NR types, tell them that over and over again that the Alt-Right represents Pure Evil, then that's what it must be. And naturally lots of good-thinking true-blue American patriots feel they have to do their duty and fight against Pure Evil, in some cases, literally with baseball bats or clubs.

    When the G-d of the Old Testament instructed His worshipers to do all sorts of harsh things to Evildoers, surely they were regarded as heroes for following His commands. And that's just the same with the local politicians, the police, and the antifa rioters.

    With the growth of the Internet, the Almighty Power of the TeeVee is draining away, but it can still command a good riot here and there...

    Your comparison with the way the Hebrews of the first millenium BC got their rabid right instructions with the 21st century creatures of TV viewing is striking, shrewd and suggestive. Also, by no means least, about the interference run by social media.

    It evoked images adapted from 9/11 at the WTC. The towers are moving oceam liners running reinforcing seminars in goodthink for their largely passive passengers. They sre TV. The social media then acts by way of a number of strikes by light plsnes ar high speed from different angles each imparting a sharply expressed message heard for a few seconds.

    My non fanciful point is that some social media messages will attenuate the weight of TV’s years of momentum… but some may reinforce it dangerously in a flash before older generated inertia can resume its dominance.

    Consider this just a first draft proposal for a thesis titled “Prolegomena to a Study of the Dynamic Interaction of Successive Generations of Media in the 21st Centtury”.

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    Your comparison with the way the Hebrews of the first millenium BC got their rabid right instructions
     
    More like the third century BC.

    http://www.jhsonline.org/cocoon/JHS/r313.html

    The date you assume may well involve historiographic retconning.
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  42. @Ron Unz
    There have been quite a few comment-threads on the Charlottesville Riot, and I think many of the commenters are being too hard on those "antifas" and their allies in government and the police...

    Basically, most people these days, certainly including most Americans, just worship the TeeVee. The TeeVee is their Divine Ruler, who instructs them as to Good and Evil...

    So if all the TeeVee people, even including lots of the FoxNews and NR types, tell them that over and over again that the Alt-Right represents Pure Evil, then that's what it must be. And naturally lots of good-thinking true-blue American patriots feel they have to do their duty and fight against Pure Evil, in some cases, literally with baseball bats or clubs.

    When the G-d of the Old Testament instructed His worshipers to do all sorts of harsh things to Evildoers, surely they were regarded as heroes for following His commands. And that's just the same with the local politicians, the police, and the antifa rioters.

    With the growth of the Internet, the Almighty Power of the TeeVee is draining away, but it can still command a good riot here and there...

    It should be noted of the fact the “conservative” leaning ACLU filed a lawsuit on behalf of the right of Kessler’s group to hold “Unite the Right”. The ACLU also has publicly stated that the police were given the order to stand down and not protect the Alt-Right speakers who were entering the park, nor the audience who were about to enter to listen to the speakers.

    At this time, it appears that Kessler has a case to be made vs. the Mayor and possibly the city of Charlottesville. He should ask the ACLU to help him and file the lawsuit in Federal Court that the Alt Right’s Civil Rights were indeed violated and their First Amendment rights were not protected.

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    Absolutely.
    , @annamaria
    To better understand what has happened in Charlottesville, American citizens need to learn the details of the "democracy on the march" instituted by the State. Dept. in Ukraine.
    Here is an interview with Russell Bentley, a former marine of the US army: http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/08/exclusive-interview-former-osce.html
    The Odessa massacre, when tens of people were burnt alive to death , should be named after Obama & Nuland-Kagan: http://theduran.com/remembering-the-odessa-massacre-2-may-2014/
    "The Odessa Massacre remains a haunting moment for the mothers and fathers who had to bury their young children after they were burned alive or fell to their deaths. The 2nd of May marks the three year anniversary of the tragedy that took the lives of at least 48 people, including seven women, and injured 250 others."
    The massacre was conducted by the pro-Kievan junta "freedom fighters." The police, loyal to Kiev, stood by without interrupting the massacre. "...the police stated that they did not have the authority to act, or to interfere with “self-defense” force functionaries." - The same kind of explanation that the Charlottesville police has produced for public consumption.
    https://www.rt.com/news/386785-odessa-massacre-three-years-on/
    https://therussophile.com/the-truth-about-the-odessa-massacre.html
    Odessa Massacre: 'Right Sector wouldn't let people out of burning building'' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec0mgpwW6_Y
    The Right Sector is a Ukrainian neo-Nazi organization that has been the main collaborator with the State Dept. via Nuland-Kagan and with the US Congress via McCain.
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  43. @Johnny Smoggins
    Too many on the right still think cops and the military are the good guys. They aren't. Just because your brother in law the cop once told a "racist" joke at a barbecue doesn't mean the cops are on our side. The government pays their cheques and it is to them that they are beholden. What this means in practical terms is that any cop will gladly blow your brains out, even if you're holding an infant (like Vicky Weaver was), if a Joe Biden type decides that you're "a Nazi".


    Let the cucks worship cops. The far right should have the same hatred and contempt for them that BLM does.

    Well f*cking said. Not our people.

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  44. @helena
    My latest meme is Marxism leads to Narxism. I quite like it because it suggests being narked which is what people essentially are. All this "flag" waving is giving the Marxists fuel for more censorship.

    Super edgy. You’re obviously going to win the war of ideology if you keep being so clever.

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  45. I don’t think it matters who “got it right”. America is not merely in the post-truth age, it is in the post-morality age. There’s no attempt on any side to seek objective right or wrong. It’s quite simply “if it was done by my pals, it’s right; if it was done to my pals, it’s wrong”. Thus, what matters is perception, not right or wrong, and on that score, the far right are coming out of this as losers. In the beginning were the conservatives. They are the core of the American right. The far right, alt-right or whatever are marginal extremists. Conservatives like law and order. They associate people running riot with everything they oppose. Rioting just isn’t the “American way” in conservative eyes. Also, outside of the south, they are not particular admirers of the Confederacy. What happened in Charlottesville will thus scare off conservatives. Getting into a fight over a Confederate monument was a disastrous political blunder for the far right and highlights their amateurism and lack of political savvy. What sticks in people’s minds is that car crashing into the crowd and someone being killed. It was a right-winger who did that and even if he is never convicted of any offence, that’s what people will remember. The far right have shot themselves in the foot. It remains to be seen how extensive, and how permanent, the damage is.

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    I don’t think it matters who “got it right”. America is not merely in the post-truth age, it is in the post-morality age.
     
    Absolutely. Those on the right spend all their time on idle point-scoring, as if anyone gives a sh*t, because we're all in exactly the same post-growth, oversaturated cultural morass with nothing left to do but bicker until the coup de grâce.

    Look at the comments here: incessant parentheses, references to "Marxism", hypocritical appeals to principles we'd all gladly scrap if we were magically whisked into power. All as if there were some cosmic scoreboard where our logical checkmates are being recorded, one day to declare us "winner" against the zeitgeist.

    If you don't have land or some way out, you're f*cked. It's that simple.
    , @Stan d Mute

    In the beginning were the conservatives. They are the core of the American right.... Also, outside of the south, they are not particular admirers of the Confederacy.
     
    Oh, but many of us Yankees are figuring it out. We are tired (sick and damned tired) of waiting for the negroes' gratitude for winning the War of Northern Aggression and then allowing the negroes to move into our previously 100% white states to commit crimes against us while collecting our welfare checks.

    In fact, having traveled extensively throughout the country and having lived both in the coldest north and warmest south, I can say that I think us Yankees are FAR more fed up with negro behavior than the most "racist" great-great-great-great-grandson of any plantation owner.
    , @ia

    What sticks in people’s minds is that car crashing into the crowd and someone being killed
     
    What stuck in my mind was the nature of the violent, feral, mongrelized mob which was allowed to create mayhem in the streets by the Democrat establishment.
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  46. What is the right response to attempts to remove the reminders of who were once honoured but are now deplored, particularly the statues?

    When your teenage daughter falls madly in love with the tattooed bikie who has rented a room from an elderly neighbour you only try direct reasoning on the obvious points for about 15 seconds before your realism cuts in and reaches for the work around.

    The work around in the antifa and related cases is to argue that we preserve the statues not to honour anyone or any tendentious ideas but to provide a lesson and maintain a reminder of the way we were, the struggles of the past and the stepping stones of our path to the present. In short the very existence of the statues, the dates they were erected, the wealth poured into them and the pose, style and features are all deeply educational without which there is s risk that the child grows up so protected from challenging stimuli that it says “Civil War? Oh, when was that? What was that about? What, slavery in America!? Surely not!”.

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  47. In the subtitle: “Press and Politicians are Blind to the Truth”

    The truth is that neither press nor politicians care one bit about the truth, or about you.

    Truth is not the business they are in. They care about their political agendas.

    This is shocking for honest naive people, who somehow still cling to the idea that the media and political “representatives” are some kind of extension of their Mommy and Daddy, and want the best for them, always acting from the honest position of the search for the truth and right… when in fact they are their enemies.

    But, but… are you saying that “Mommy and Daddy” are my enemies?! I hear their trembling, sobbing voices…

    It is reminiscent of the deportees in the Siberian gulags. Many of them refused to condemn Stalin to their bitter end, always searching excuses for him, accusing others of hiding the truth from the “little father”, who, “if he only knew”, would liberate them, and punish the “real culprits”.

    This is a classical phenomenon in the infantilised population, who identifies the State or “those above, who talk to you” (the media) with some kind of extension of their parents, refusing to realise the truth about them, and remaining loyal to them to the bitter end.

    Those people are not your “Mommy and Daddy”: They are the Enemy – they are at WAR against you!

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  48. annamaria says:

    A Question of the Day: “Julian Assange asks why the US said nothing when Obama supported Ukrainian neo-Nazis” http://theduran.com/julian-assange-asks-us-said-nothing-obama-supported-ukrainian-neo-nazis/
    and an Answer: http://www.moonofalabama.org/2017/08/charlottesville-what-you-wish-upon-others-you-wish-upon-yourself.html
    “Charlottesville: What You Wish Upon Others, You Wish Upon Yourself
    U.S. “liberals” cuddle fascists and right-wing religious extremists in Libya, Syria, Ukraine, Venezuela and elsewhere. But when similar movements appear on their own streets they are outraged.”

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  49. anarchyst says:

    …the local charlottesville craigslist had ads for “crisis actors” for the alt-right demonstration. You can bet that most (if not all) of the nazi flag-wavers and the kkk robe-adorned individuals were crisis actors paid for by the left…

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    After this 'Birddogging' stuff during the election, paranoia may be an appropriate state of mind.

    There has been some discussion on other forums about how spanking new some of the more overtly extreme protester's NAZI paraphernalia looked. Flags with hard fold marks, as if they just came out from their wrappers minutes before the festivities etc.

    Since there has been a push to 'doxx' all of the evildoers at the protest, it might be interesting to get the back story on some of these really hardcore 'NAZIs' I suspect there is more than meets the eye with at least some of them.
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  50. anarchyst says:
    @Bob Woodwort
    Well, however brilliant Jared Taylor be, there is not going to be an American Renaissance or one for Russia, India, China... The rate and scope of scientific and technological progress is burying much of the past and ushering into ascendency a somewhat multi-national world of the very able and rich. It is likely China now presents the most promising basis for an emergent transnational policy confrontation about race (and gender differences, btw). Ever think of becoming a "missionary" in China, Jared?

    Jared Taylor STILL refuses to name “the elephant in the room”. I have been “blacklisted” from commenting on American Renaissance for merely pointing out TRUTH.
    As far as I am concerned, American Renaissance is merely “controlled opposition”, controlled by “you know who”.

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    Jared Taylor rose to prominence because of his intelligence and his unswerving commitment to the preservation of his nation and culture.

    He is nothing if not politically savvy. He has walked through the political minefield for years and intends to go on doing so. He's too smart to allow hotheads to stop his progress. Smart readers of AmRen can read between the lines. There is no need to name "the elephant in the room". He is not going to let CNN "David Duke" him.
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  51. nsa says:
    @Jake
    A major part of the problem can be seen at American Conservative. Racially heart bleeding Rod Dreher immediately damned those who dared to attempt to rally against PC and in defense of white heritage.

    Dreher can't seem to add one and one, not when his heart is asked to bleed f0r the Numinous Negro. The same crowd assembled at Charlottesville to prevent speech they oppose could destroy a rally to defend historic Christian definitions of marriage, family, and sexual morality, and Dreher would see what is going on and where the 'peaceful' and 'tolerant' Left will lead: Hell, in multiple senses.

    But make the matter one of race, and Dreher drools all over himself to damn anyone who fails to bow to the Left.

    The American Cuckservative is now simply an infomercial for peddling canned sanctimony and carressing the editor’s ego. Jesus Dreher constantly posts pictures of himself (including the little Drehers) performing self-righteous activities like ladling out slop to 300 lb swamp rats (of all creeds and colors, of course) at the local food bank. When not servicing the obese swamp morons, he finds time to worship the sky fag several times a week. You see, Jesus Dreher is better than you and TAC exists to advertise the fact. Oh, and their censoring of comments (and banning posters) is the most extreme of any site on the net……

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  52. @Michael Kenny
    I don’t think it matters who “got it right”. America is not merely in the post-truth age, it is in the post-morality age. There’s no attempt on any side to seek objective right or wrong. It’s quite simply “if it was done by my pals, it’s right; if it was done to my pals, it’s wrong”. Thus, what matters is perception, not right or wrong, and on that score, the far right are coming out of this as losers. In the beginning were the conservatives. They are the core of the American right. The far right, alt-right or whatever are marginal extremists. Conservatives like law and order. They associate people running riot with everything they oppose. Rioting just isn’t the “American way” in conservative eyes. Also, outside of the south, they are not particular admirers of the Confederacy. What happened in Charlottesville will thus scare off conservatives. Getting into a fight over a Confederate monument was a disastrous political blunder for the far right and highlights their amateurism and lack of political savvy. What sticks in people’s minds is that car crashing into the crowd and someone being killed. It was a right-winger who did that and even if he is never convicted of any offence, that’s what people will remember. The far right have shot themselves in the foot. It remains to be seen how extensive, and how permanent, the damage is.

    I don’t think it matters who “got it right”. America is not merely in the post-truth age, it is in the post-morality age.

    Absolutely. Those on the right spend all their time on idle point-scoring, as if anyone gives a sh*t, because we’re all in exactly the same post-growth, oversaturated cultural morass with nothing left to do but bicker until the coup de grâce.

    Look at the comments here: incessant parentheses, references to “Marxism”, hypocritical appeals to principles we’d all gladly scrap if we were magically whisked into power. All as if there were some cosmic scoreboard where our logical checkmates are being recorded, one day to declare us “winner” against the zeitgeist.

    If you don’t have land or some way out, you’re f*cked. It’s that simple.

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    You don't strike me as a football fan, I would guess more Game of Thrones.
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  53. @Rod1963
    You know what made the protest a "stupid on parade" show?

    The organizers let clowns in KKK and Nazi garb in the march. Wow talk about stupid and a PR disaster. Mr. Taylor the organizers may well have worked for the Democratic party for the disaster they created for our side.

    Next time around, please, please remove all Neo Nazis and KKK types. Hire men whose job it is to police the protestors to make sure any trouble makers are removed on the spot.

    Also they should have known the police would stand down. VA is a purples state run by a rabid Democrat who hates whites and the city had a liberal mayor - do the math. Anti-Fa was guaranteed to show up.

    Lastly if this is the sort of leadership that permeates the alt-right, it's doomed. It needs to change and fast.

    Sometimes a law is just on its face and unjust in its application. For instance, I have been arrested on a charge of parading without a permit. Now, there is nothing wrong in having an ordinance which requires a permit for a parade. But such an ordinance becomes unjust when it is used to maintain segregation and to deny citizens the First-Amendment privilege of peaceful assembly and protest.
    - Martin Luther King, Jr.

    If the Nazis and the KKK want to march, let them march. Frankly, I think they are morons for worrying about Jews, who are mostly ambitious for high-status, high-paying careers, instead of Muslims, who want to blow us all up, but if you let BLM march, you have to let everybody else march. That’s the only way it’s going to work.

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    If you worry about Muslims then you should be worried about Jews, becasue Jews are responsible for bringing the Muslims in and defending them when they're here.

    http://www.unz.com/article/jews-and-immigration-time-for-change/
    https://www.unz.com/article/why-do-jewish-organizations-want-anti-israel-refugees/
    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2017/05/16/fake-jews-deceit-and-double-think-in-britains-hostile-elite/
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  54. Jake says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    It should be noted of the fact the "conservative" leaning ACLU filed a lawsuit on behalf of the right of Kessler's group to hold "Unite the Right". The ACLU also has publicly stated that the police were given the order to stand down and not protect the Alt-Right speakers who were entering the park, nor the audience who were about to enter to listen to the speakers.

    At this time, it appears that Kessler has a case to be made vs. the Mayor and possibly the city of Charlottesville. He should ask the ACLU to help him and file the lawsuit in Federal Court that the Alt Right's Civil Rights were indeed violated and their First Amendment rights were not protected.

    Absolutely.

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  55. The Charlottesville story is spinned as the Nazis/Alt-Right/White Nationalists on the rise, since Trump was elected, when in fact it is exactly the opposite.

    It is the left’s “liberalism” that is becoming more and more agressive and fundamentalist in its demands. One can talk about “liberal fundamentalism” amok.

    Trump’s victory has put them into a state of ideological hysteria and they systematically try to crush anything that doesn’t correspond to their views with an enourmously increased energy of hatred now.

    The Alt-Right rally in Charlottesville was a reaction of defense to that enourmous increase of agressivity by the “progressives”.
    Unfortunately, the action of a hothead out of control will give support to the “liberals” thesis now, and even increase their agressive ideological rampage.

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    Agreed. The Left/Establishment must be creaming their jeans now that they finally have a real live alt-right killer to put up against alt-left DC sniper James Hodgkinson.

    Can there be any doubt that this is what the Left/Establishment have been aiming for since the election?

    If the Unite the Right people had shown up alone, there would have been no violence. If the antifa people had shown up alone, there would have been violence (at least in the form of property damage). A 2-year-old could have predicted what would happen if the antifa people were not kept separate from the Unite the Right people. The antifa people have shown time and again that they will go ape-shit at the drop of a hat.

    And we're supposed to believe that the progressive governor and mayor did not tell the police to stand down, and did not intend for violence to result? Those a-holes wanted this to happen and had their "blame the alt-right" speeches all ready to go. And as day follows night, all the other Establishment types -- from Paul Ryan to Joe Biden -- have fallen over themselves to make sure that only the alt-right comes out of this wearing black hats.

    Fortunately, the stand-down story seems to be getting a little traction in some parts of the MSM. I hope they stick with it. And the internet has made readily accessible graphic images of antifa goons getting their licks in.
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  56. @Jake
    Hitler and the Nazis were NOT Right wing. 'Nazi' is a nickname for National Socialist Worker's Party of Germany. Nazis were socialists. The Nazis were almost uniformly anything but traditional Christian in religious/philosophical outlook, and most of the leadership was anti-Christian.

    And the Nazis were filled with gays. Take out the gays, and the Brownshirts would have had virtually 0 leadership.

    Hitler did take them out, when he had no more use for them, in the Night of the Long Knives (which eliminated the SA). Ernst Rohm wasn’t the only early Nazi (gay, in his case, but there were others who were not) who was surprised to discover he was in the crosshairs of an organization he had helped to found.
    One of the Nazi rallies filmed by Leni Riefenstahl has a ritual reassuring everybody that there was no feud between different branches of the NSDAP. How much you wanna bet Hitler and Goebbels had already decided to put a hit on them when they planned this ritual? Contrary to popular perception, they did have a sense of humor–a thoroughly sadistic one.

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  58. Corvinus says:
    @WorkingClass
    Charlottesville will be remembered. The first death in the American race war. It won't be much of a war with Imperial Washington fully supporting the left. But war it will be now that whites understand they have been marked for destruction. Slowly/painfully the Right will get stronger and Washington will get weaker. Insurgencies work harden over time. And the Zempire is in steep decline and is hated and feared by pretty much the whole world.

    “Charlottesville will be remembered. The first death in the American race war. It won’t be much of a war with Imperial Washington fully supporting the left. But war it will be now that whites understand they have been marked for destruction. Slowly/painfully the Right will get stronger and Washington will get weaker. Insurgencies work harden over time. And the Zempire is in steep decline and is hated and feared by pretty much the whole world.”

    What are you even talking about? When rhetoric like “anti-white” and “cuck” and “race traitor” are employed by whites against whites, some of who are conservative and AGREE that immigration and political correctness is out of control, fully expect a retaliatory response. Furthermore, the exercising of free speech always has consequences–positive and negative.

    Indeed, Mr. Kessler should have been able to speak in front of the Charlottesville city hall. But in the video where Kessler was running for his life, the police actually took down two Antifa protestors and put them in handcuffs. Now given the radical nature of both groups, why is it surprising that in a public venue there would NOT be a confrontation? And so long as white people who make their own decisions about race are labeled “anti-white thugs”, and so long as the “pro-white message” is about Jews and globalists, there will continue to be street battles between the Coalition of the Right Fringe and the Coalition of the Left Fringe.

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  59. Corvinus says:

    When Cernovich and Milo and Posobeic are called out on the carpet, you know the Alt Right clearly has an identity crisis.

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  60. lavoisier says: • Website

    This fight is not a white versus other fight. This is a deplorable white versus liberal white fight.

    Those who want to preserve any semblance of an American Republic have to realize the greatest enemy we face is not the Jewish pied pipers or their storm troopers of disenfranchised NAM, it is the brain dead white liberal ethnomasochists who fully support the destruction of the white race and Western civilization.

    White liberals are the enemy, and their ideas have to be defeated if Western Civilization has any hope at all to survive.

    Either Western Civilization is valuable or it is not.

    White liberals believe and act as if Western Civilization and the white men who created it are evil.

    They should be recognized as not only fools, but as enemies.

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    Either Western Civilization is valuable or it is not.

    White liberals believe and act as if Western Civilization and the white men who created it are evil.
     
    Exactly. Regular law-abiding hardworking tax-paying straight white Christian American men have been pushed and prodded into a permanent submissive posture -- always apologizing, afraid to speak up for themselves, cowed by the shrieks of ever-multiplying victim groups and their enablers in the media, big business, and government. We "regular guys" are the villains in the current revolution.

    When "nationalism" all by itself is a bad word, you know the West is in serious trouble.
    , @Corvinus
    "This fight is not a white versus other fight. This is a deplorable white versus liberal white fight."

    Yes, "good whites" versus "bad whites". So how do young whites from Generation Z fit into this narrative, considering that they lean liberal to social issues and conservative to economic matters? How would you label this group?

    "Those who want to preserve any semblance of an American Republic have to realize the greatest enemy we face is not the Jewish pied pipers or their storm troopers of disenfranchised NAM, it is the brain dead white liberal ethnomasochists who fully support the destruction of the white race and Western civilization."

    Perfect! Try out this phrase with 100 white Gen Z'ers. Field report how they react.

    "White liberals are the enemy, and their ideas have to be defeated if Western Civilization has any hope at all to survive."

    So how do you personally deal with such "enemies"? And why should any white person be concerned as much as you are about "Western Civilization"?
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  61. @Captain Nemo
    The Charlottesville story is spinned as the Nazis/Alt-Right/White Nationalists on the rise, since Trump was elected, when in fact it is exactly the opposite.

    It is the left's "liberalism" that is becoming more and more agressive and fundamentalist in its demands. One can talk about "liberal fundamentalism" amok.

    Trump's victory has put them into a state of ideological hysteria and they systematically try to crush anything that doesn't correspond to their views with an enourmously increased energy of hatred now.

    The Alt-Right rally in Charlottesville was a reaction of defense to that enourmous increase of agressivity by the "progressives".
    Unfortunately, the action of a hothead out of control will give support to the "liberals" thesis now, and even increase their agressive ideological rampage.

    Agreed. The Left/Establishment must be creaming their jeans now that they finally have a real live alt-right killer to put up against alt-left DC sniper James Hodgkinson.

    Can there be any doubt that this is what the Left/Establishment have been aiming for since the election?

    If the Unite the Right people had shown up alone, there would have been no violence. If the antifa people had shown up alone, there would have been violence (at least in the form of property damage). A 2-year-old could have predicted what would happen if the antifa people were not kept separate from the Unite the Right people. The antifa people have shown time and again that they will go ape-shit at the drop of a hat.

    And we’re supposed to believe that the progressive governor and mayor did not tell the police to stand down, and did not intend for violence to result? Those a-holes wanted this to happen and had their “blame the alt-right” speeches all ready to go. And as day follows night, all the other Establishment types — from Paul Ryan to Joe Biden — have fallen over themselves to make sure that only the alt-right comes out of this wearing black hats.

    Fortunately, the stand-down story seems to be getting a little traction in some parts of the MSM. I hope they stick with it. And the internet has made readily accessible graphic images of antifa goons getting their licks in.

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  62. @Rod1963
    You know what made the protest a "stupid on parade" show?

    The organizers let clowns in KKK and Nazi garb in the march. Wow talk about stupid and a PR disaster. Mr. Taylor the organizers may well have worked for the Democratic party for the disaster they created for our side.

    Next time around, please, please remove all Neo Nazis and KKK types. Hire men whose job it is to police the protestors to make sure any trouble makers are removed on the spot.

    Also they should have known the police would stand down. VA is a purples state run by a rabid Democrat who hates whites and the city had a liberal mayor - do the math. Anti-Fa was guaranteed to show up.

    Lastly if this is the sort of leadership that permeates the alt-right, it's doomed. It needs to change and fast.

    Lastly if this is the sort of leadership that permeates the alt-right, it’s doomed. It needs to change and fast.

    I think we can safely assume that political groups on both sides have been infiltrated and are subject to manipulation and control by agents provocateur. Yet the focus is such that few even thing to look behind the curtain.

    The general population simply cannot get out of the box…

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  63. Truth says:

    This “police have an agenda” thing is news to you?

    Sons; please start listening, I’ve been trying to teach you the ways of the world for 10 years now.

    http://www.usavsus.info/MasonsInLawEnforcement.html

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  64. Truth says:

    …And Ram-Z, I am truly sorry about your friend who got doused, but let me let you in on a little secret here, Old Sport…

    You don’t go to war without a few casualties. Did you really thing this Race War thing was going to be a day at the races?

    As far as death threats go, I wouldn’t worry about it; George Zimmerman is still upright, ain’t he?

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  65. Wally says: • Website
    @Binyamin
    Ron, the Alt Right are pure evil. They are virtually indistinguishable from Nazis and Ku Klux Klan. The phrases, 'white nationalist', 'white supremacist' and Neo Nazi means the same. People who call themselves white nationalist are too cowardly to admit that they are effectively Neo Nazis. Senator Ted Cruz was right when he called them pure evil yesterday-I cannot quote him exactly but the gist of what he was saying was that when you are faced with evil you have to take a moral stand, and Ted Cruz is no left liberal, believe me. Have you read what Richard Spencer, the Nazi thug and Alt Right poster boy wrote recently? He has called for ethnic cleansing to create a white ethno state in America. Ethnic cleansing equals genocide and it is what ISIS are currently doing in the middle east to the Yazidis, the Christians and the Kurds.
    I think the media has been extremely generous to the Alt Right and has given it undeserved publicity and overlooked its tendency to violence, bigotry and intimidation. The Alt Right is an emerging proto- terrorist movement and most politically related violence and terrorism in the US over the past ten years has been committed by people on the far right rather than by Islamists. The security services knows about it yet the media has chosen to ignore this unpalatable fact. The security services has also known for some time that on-line radicalization of young white males, mainly the 'loser types' is causing a major security headache throughout America.
    Until last week Chancellorsville was a sleepy peaceful town where people just got on with their lives and got on with each other. Yesterday the town was invaded by uninvited Neo Nazis and KKK and the whole world saw on their TV screens the shameful spectacle of Nazi salutes in a small town America in the twenty first century.
    It is an irony Ron, that a significant fraction of the white nationalist crowd are foreign born extremists and hate preachers. I think it is time Homeland security moves in against them and carry out deportations. And finally Ron, you will earn some good Karma if you stop providing a platform to some of these foreign born right wing extremists and hate preachers.

    What a load of supremacist Jew nonsense.

    Where is the outrage at the strict Israeli immigration laws which specify JEWS ONLY, while they demand massive 3rd world immigration into the US & Europe?

    And of course the Left wants everyone to forget this:
    Undercover video shows Democrat operatives admitting they incited violence at Trump rallies

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-17/caught-tape-clinton-funded-democrat-operatives-inciting-anarchy-trump-rallies

    As for the dumb ‘Nazi’ thing, there were the ‘Nazis’ with the impossible ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ and there were the ‘Nazis’ without the impossible ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’.

    [MORE]

    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:

    http://codoh.com

    No name calling, level playing field debate here:

    http://forum.codoh.com

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  66. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Rod1963
    You know what made the protest a "stupid on parade" show?

    The organizers let clowns in KKK and Nazi garb in the march. Wow talk about stupid and a PR disaster. Mr. Taylor the organizers may well have worked for the Democratic party for the disaster they created for our side.

    Next time around, please, please remove all Neo Nazis and KKK types. Hire men whose job it is to police the protestors to make sure any trouble makers are removed on the spot.

    Also they should have known the police would stand down. VA is a purples state run by a rabid Democrat who hates whites and the city had a liberal mayor - do the math. Anti-Fa was guaranteed to show up.

    Lastly if this is the sort of leadership that permeates the alt-right, it's doomed. It needs to change and fast.

    >>>The organizers let clowns in KKK and Nazi garb in the march. Wow talk about stupid and a PR disaster. Mr. Taylor the organizers may well have worked for the Democratic party for the disaster they created for our side.<<<

    Nobody is that stupid. Maybe that was the reason of the exercise.
    Think about all it accomplished.
    With friends like these who needs enemies, etc..

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  67. bjondo says:

    zimmerman, son of a jew judge, provoked this criminal act
    he was a wannabe hero protecting the what ever
    he deserved to have the crap beat out of him but was untouched as the first video at police station showed.

    Blacks are attacked by police every hour of every day

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    >Blacks are attacked by police every hour of every day

    In other words, in proportion to the number of crimes they commit, right?
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  68. MEH 0910 says:

    http://newsdiffs.org/diff/1457427/1457579/https%3A/www.nytimes.com/2017/08/13/us/charlottesville-protests-white-nationalists.html

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  69. Truth says:
    @WorkingClass
    Charlottesville will be remembered. The first death in the American race war. It won't be much of a war with Imperial Washington fully supporting the left. But war it will be now that whites understand they have been marked for destruction. Slowly/painfully the Right will get stronger and Washington will get weaker. Insurgencies work harden over time. And the Zempire is in steep decline and is hated and feared by pretty much the whole world.

    Charlottesville will be remembered. The first death in the American race war. But war it will be now that whites understand they have been marked for destruction. Slowly/painfully the Right will get stronger and Washington will get weaker. Insurgencies work harden over time.

    You got your Brady jersey out of the cleaners? I hear he’s gonna play against Houston this weekend! Stock up on beer and salty snacks.

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  70. Truth says:
    @Jim Christian
    Fair enough, Ron, but this was one man and his trusty Dodge steed. When the TeeVee people take their violent road show further down South, they're going to meet good old boys with real guns and strong wills. Maybe the TeeVee people should stick to liberal cities surrounded by liberal Democrats and liberal college campuses where they are tolerated and people don't fight back?

    When it comes down to it, my money is on the good old boys on Southern turf.

    When it comes down to it, my money is on the good old boys on Southern turf.

    I’m with you Bro.!

    Sincerely; General Robert E. Lee

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    Different time Troofy…..different time!
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  71. Truth says:
    @Marshall Lentini

    I don’t think it matters who “got it right”. America is not merely in the post-truth age, it is in the post-morality age.
     
    Absolutely. Those on the right spend all their time on idle point-scoring, as if anyone gives a sh*t, because we're all in exactly the same post-growth, oversaturated cultural morass with nothing left to do but bicker until the coup de grâce.

    Look at the comments here: incessant parentheses, references to "Marxism", hypocritical appeals to principles we'd all gladly scrap if we were magically whisked into power. All as if there were some cosmic scoreboard where our logical checkmates are being recorded, one day to declare us "winner" against the zeitgeist.

    If you don't have land or some way out, you're f*cked. It's that simple.

    You don’t strike me as a football fan, I would guess more Game of Thrones.

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    Never seen it, cupcake. Sorry you're sensitive. Guess a real game of sportsball might've done you some good.

    /cheap ad homineth winth argumentth
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  72. DFH says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    Sometimes a law is just on its face and unjust in its application. For instance, I have been arrested on a charge of parading without a permit. Now, there is nothing wrong in having an ordinance which requires a permit for a parade. But such an ordinance becomes unjust when it is used to maintain segregation and to deny citizens the First-Amendment privilege of peaceful assembly and protest.
    - Martin Luther King, Jr.
     
    If the Nazis and the KKK want to march, let them march. Frankly, I think they are morons for worrying about Jews, who are mostly ambitious for high-status, high-paying careers, instead of Muslims, who want to blow us all up, but if you let BLM march, you have to let everybody else march. That's the only way it's going to work.
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    Either Jews are brilliant conspirators, or they are self-destructive morons who aren't paying attention to the fact that Muslims targeted them as well as Christians in San Bernardino, Paris, etc.
    My money is on the second, at least for those Social Justice types who think if they sing Kumbaya everybody will love them back, and those are mostly lapsed Jews, practicing Wiccan/Neopagan blah-bah just like all the lapsed Christians who went Hari Krishna back in the day.
    As for practicing Jews, at least in NYC where I lived for over a decade, they seem to fall mostly into three categories:
    1. Ultra-Orthos, who openly hate Arabs and couldn't care less if they're perceived as intolerant;
    2. the really rich ones, who join Cancer and Heart committees, contribute to anything that will get them in WWD, and basically long to be Social Register WASPS when they grow up;
    3. middle-class folks on Lawn Guyland, who just want their kids to get professional degrees and marry their middle-class counterparts.
    The last two are usually only moderately religious. They contribute to Israel with about as much thought as parochial school kids contribute to saving Pagan Babies; it's just something everybody does.
    The one arguable Brilliant Conspirator, George Soros, is by no means universally adored: Ultra-Orthos detest him for his history, Rich WASP wanna-be's recognize him as a vulgar sociopath, and cringe from his vulgarity as much as if not more than his sociopathy. As for the middle-class folks, most of them don't even know who he is.
    (If you think this is complicated, ask me about Catholics and Trump.)
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  73. @lavoisier
    This fight is not a white versus other fight. This is a deplorable white versus liberal white fight.

    Those who want to preserve any semblance of an American Republic have to realize the greatest enemy we face is not the Jewish pied pipers or their storm troopers of disenfranchised NAM, it is the brain dead white liberal ethnomasochists who fully support the destruction of the white race and Western civilization.

    White liberals are the enemy, and their ideas have to be defeated if Western Civilization has any hope at all to survive.

    Either Western Civilization is valuable or it is not.

    White liberals believe and act as if Western Civilization and the white men who created it are evil.

    They should be recognized as not only fools, but as enemies.

    Either Western Civilization is valuable or it is not.

    White liberals believe and act as if Western Civilization and the white men who created it are evil.

    Exactly. Regular law-abiding hardworking tax-paying straight white Christian American men have been pushed and prodded into a permanent submissive posture — always apologizing, afraid to speak up for themselves, cowed by the shrieks of ever-multiplying victim groups and their enablers in the media, big business, and government. We “regular guys” are the villains in the current revolution.

    When “nationalism” all by itself is a bad word, you know the West is in serious trouble.

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  74. Bill says:
    @ThereisaGod
    Currently the issue is this: White people pushing back against being sold out by their bought-and-paid-for political masters are being collectively vilified by the curses "Nazis" and "Supremacists".

    Exactly the same racial assertiveness from "Black Lives Matter" does not merit the charge 'Black Supremacists' but, rather, that these people are 'Civil Rights Activists'.

    Never ever a mention of the obvious cause of all these problems. The fact that the Political class is (literally) owned by donations recycled from aid to Israel and redistributed by what is known as 'the Jewish Lobby' in the USA. Never mind the fact the The Talmud declares the unspeakable truth openly. Never mind that Christ warned the Jewish people and the world against exactly the people causing the problem.... He also condemned their "scribes" (uh-O)

    Supremacism??!! You bet.

    Exactly the same racial assertiveness from “Black Lives Matter” does not merit the charge ‘Black Supremacists’ but, rather, that these people are ‘Civil Rights Activists’.

    Uh, BLM went out with rifles and killed cops. Are you sure Unite the Right did this?

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  75. fish says:
    @Truth

    When it comes down to it, my money is on the good old boys on Southern turf.
     
    I'm with you Bro.!

    Sincerely; General Robert E. Lee

    Different time Troofy…..different time!

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  76. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Rod1963
    You know what made the protest a "stupid on parade" show?

    The organizers let clowns in KKK and Nazi garb in the march. Wow talk about stupid and a PR disaster. Mr. Taylor the organizers may well have worked for the Democratic party for the disaster they created for our side.

    Next time around, please, please remove all Neo Nazis and KKK types. Hire men whose job it is to police the protestors to make sure any trouble makers are removed on the spot.

    Also they should have known the police would stand down. VA is a purples state run by a rabid Democrat who hates whites and the city had a liberal mayor - do the math. Anti-Fa was guaranteed to show up.

    Lastly if this is the sort of leadership that permeates the alt-right, it's doomed. It needs to change and fast.

    On a different thread Whiskey suggested that maybe Richard Spencer actually works for George Soros. Any chance this could be true? The decision to align oneself and one’s group with Nazis and the KKK is a terrible strategy, a recipe for failure a gross misrepresentation of the alt-right, and just bizarre.

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  77. @Truth
    You don't strike me as a football fan, I would guess more Game of Thrones.

    Never seen it, cupcake. Sorry you’re sensitive. Guess a real game of sportsball might’ve done you some good.

    /cheap ad homineth winth argumentth

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    LOL, I'm not sensitive, I'm just inspired by all of the firey pitchfork and torches speeches I'm reading today by all of you 40- hour a week office cogs.
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  78. @anarchyst
    Jared Taylor STILL refuses to name "the elephant in the room". I have been "blacklisted" from commenting on American Renaissance for merely pointing out TRUTH.
    As far as I am concerned, American Renaissance is merely "controlled opposition", controlled by "you know who".

    Jared Taylor rose to prominence because of his intelligence and his unswerving commitment to the preservation of his nation and culture.

    He is nothing if not politically savvy. He has walked through the political minefield for years and intends to go on doing so. He’s too smart to allow hotheads to stop his progress. Smart readers of AmRen can read between the lines. There is no need to name “the elephant in the room”. He is not going to let CNN “David Duke” him.

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    Then he accepts the core premises of his supposed enemies, and hence is useless.
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  79. There is an anti white trend in this world, not just by coloured people, but also by white people themselves.
    A lot of fuss is made about slavery, hardly anybody seems to know that in the USA liberated slaves had, as industrial workers, after the Civil War, not a better life.
    Engels around 1845 wrote his book about the appalling conditions of industrial workers in Great Britain.

    Hardly any former colonial state is better off than it was in colonial times.
    Rhodesia was a prosperous country, self rule made it into Zimbabwe, a country not much better to live in than N Korea.
    South Africa no longer is under white rule, it seems to follow the Zimbabwe example, with slogans as ‘a bullet for a Boer’.

    After WWII in many areas Germans were expelled, Sudetenland, Königsberg, what became Kalingrad.
    Industries in Sudetenland collapsed without Germans, the great city of Königsberg became the slum Kalingrad.

    White man is not without sins, but I expect that this planet, without white man, will not be a better place to live in.

    But indeed stupidities do happen.
    I always forget if the Hutu’s murdered the Tutsi’s, or the other way round.
    In any case, the group that ruled was exterminated, as far as I know average income did not increase.

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    You say;

    'White man is not without sins, but I expect that this planet, without white man, will not be a better place to live in.'

    I say:

    Of course, we won't know that for sure until the last one of you has departed the earth. I am pretty sure the world would be just fine!
    , @Talha

    White man is not without sins, but I expect that this planet, without white man, will not be a better place to live in.
     
    The White man isn't going anywhere - he is the creation of the Almighty just as much as the Black or Brown man and is as much a part of this planet as any other being. He should always hold a good opinion of his Creator - despair is the lot of the forsaken.

    Peace.
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  80. @Rod1963
    You know what made the protest a "stupid on parade" show?

    The organizers let clowns in KKK and Nazi garb in the march. Wow talk about stupid and a PR disaster. Mr. Taylor the organizers may well have worked for the Democratic party for the disaster they created for our side.

    Next time around, please, please remove all Neo Nazis and KKK types. Hire men whose job it is to police the protestors to make sure any trouble makers are removed on the spot.

    Also they should have known the police would stand down. VA is a purples state run by a rabid Democrat who hates whites and the city had a liberal mayor - do the math. Anti-Fa was guaranteed to show up.

    Lastly if this is the sort of leadership that permeates the alt-right, it's doomed. It needs to change and fast.

    “You know what made the protest a “stupid on parade” show?

    The organizers let clowns in KKK and Nazi garb in the march. Wow talk about stupid and a PR disaster. Mr. Taylor the organizers may well have worked for the Democratic party for the disaster they created for our side.”

    Yes of course, because quoting Martin Luther King and giving into the demands of the left has worked out so well for conservatives up until now right?

    Time for boomer cucks to step aside and let the youth take over.

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    They are taking over.

    And they are overwhelmingly against you and everything you stand for.
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  81. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    If the BLM want to raise hell about some Civil War era statue–cause it smacks of slavery–why don’t they do some research and find out who the major player was, providing money and ships to move the Africans from their home to the so-called New World and take their anger out on them?

    If that would happen, the MSM would turn on the BLM like a pack of hyenas seeing a wounded calf.

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  82. @Binyamin
    Ron, the Alt Right are pure evil. They are virtually indistinguishable from Nazis and Ku Klux Klan. The phrases, 'white nationalist', 'white supremacist' and Neo Nazi means the same. People who call themselves white nationalist are too cowardly to admit that they are effectively Neo Nazis. Senator Ted Cruz was right when he called them pure evil yesterday-I cannot quote him exactly but the gist of what he was saying was that when you are faced with evil you have to take a moral stand, and Ted Cruz is no left liberal, believe me. Have you read what Richard Spencer, the Nazi thug and Alt Right poster boy wrote recently? He has called for ethnic cleansing to create a white ethno state in America. Ethnic cleansing equals genocide and it is what ISIS are currently doing in the middle east to the Yazidis, the Christians and the Kurds.
    I think the media has been extremely generous to the Alt Right and has given it undeserved publicity and overlooked its tendency to violence, bigotry and intimidation. The Alt Right is an emerging proto- terrorist movement and most politically related violence and terrorism in the US over the past ten years has been committed by people on the far right rather than by Islamists. The security services knows about it yet the media has chosen to ignore this unpalatable fact. The security services has also known for some time that on-line radicalization of young white males, mainly the 'loser types' is causing a major security headache throughout America.
    Until last week Chancellorsville was a sleepy peaceful town where people just got on with their lives and got on with each other. Yesterday the town was invaded by uninvited Neo Nazis and KKK and the whole world saw on their TV screens the shameful spectacle of Nazi salutes in a small town America in the twenty first century.
    It is an irony Ron, that a significant fraction of the white nationalist crowd are foreign born extremists and hate preachers. I think it is time Homeland security moves in against them and carry out deportations. And finally Ron, you will earn some good Karma if you stop providing a platform to some of these foreign born right wing extremists and hate preachers.

    “Ron, the Alt Right are pure evil. They are virtually indistinguishable from Nazis and Ku Klux Klan. The phrases, ‘white nationalist’, ‘white supremacist’ and Neo Nazi means the same.”

    This is all a matter of perspective. To a Palestinian, the Star of David is a symbol of violence, hatred, oppression and genocide.

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  83. What is most noteworthy is the Media silence about antifa violence and hideousness.

    There is a parallel between that silence(muted endorsement) and US support of Alqaeda & ISIS against Assad. US even aided neo-nazis against Ukraine government.

    Who rules the US? Jewish globalist elites. How do they operate? They first pinpoint who their main enemy is in some part of the world. And then they aid and abet ANY group that harasses, subverts, or attacks that main enemy. In Syria, the ‘antifa’ were ISIS and Alqaeda. In Libya, the ‘antifa’ were homegrown Jihadis and tribal rebels. In Ukraine, the ‘antifa’ were, ironically enough, the Neo-Nazi ultra-rightists(who took down the government with non-belligerent ties with Russia). Jewish Globalists aided Neo-Nazis because they pinpointed Russia as main enemy of Jewish Globalist Power.

    In the US, Jewish elites identify White Identity as the main threat. It is denounced as ‘white supremacism’ because white identity is a threat to Jewish supremacism. Supremacism says another group should be subservient to YOUR group: Others should serve your people. Jewish elites want whites to serve Jews and Israel: AIPAC and ‘Israel is our greatest ally’ and any-criticism-of-Jewish-power-is-’antisemitism’, etc. The only way to assure such outcome is to suppress white identity. After all, whites with positive(than negative) white awareness pride will first and foremost serve white interests than Jewish interests. Or, white interests may even run counter to Jewish interests. That is why Jewish Supremacists condemn ANY sign of white identity as ‘nazi’ and ‘white supremacist’. A dog that serves itself will not serve the master. It will be a free wolf.

    Anyway, since Jewish elites identify white identity as the main threat in the West, they tolerate Antifa & BLM and even fund them indirectly, just like CIA funded terrorists, provocateurs, and saboteurs in Syria and Ukraine. (Of late, Jewish supremacists even side with Muslims against Trump. Jewish elites, who’d been vilifying Muslim terrorists in Hollywood movies and TV shows forever, suddenly found Muslims to be their bosom buddies, useful props against ‘xenophobic’ whites who voted for Trump.)
    And the media, dominated by Jewish globalist elites, go hush-hush about Antifa violence for the same reason the media were overwhelmingly silent about neo-nazi elements that pulled a coup in Ukraine and the ISIS-Alqaeda elements(funded by Saudis and aided by Turks) in Syria.
    Tulsi Gabbard was one of the few who broke the silence on US support of terror against Assad. Assad is no saint and his regime has been loathsome in many ways, but it’s still decent compared to Saudis, a truly horrible bunch of scum. But Saudis to the bidding of the US by aiding US agenda against Syria, Russia, and Iran. So, they are ‘okay’.

    It’s how power works.

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  84. @DFH
    If you worry about Muslims then you should be worried about Jews, becasue Jews are responsible for bringing the Muslims in and defending them when they're here.

    http://www.unz.com/article/jews-and-immigration-time-for-change/
    https://www.unz.com/article/why-do-jewish-organizations-want-anti-israel-refugees/
    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2017/05/16/fake-jews-deceit-and-double-think-in-britains-hostile-elite/

    Either Jews are brilliant conspirators, or they are self-destructive morons who aren’t paying attention to the fact that Muslims targeted them as well as Christians in San Bernardino, Paris, etc.
    My money is on the second, at least for those Social Justice types who think if they sing Kumbaya everybody will love them back, and those are mostly lapsed Jews, practicing Wiccan/Neopagan blah-bah just like all the lapsed Christians who went Hari Krishna back in the day.
    As for practicing Jews, at least in NYC where I lived for over a decade, they seem to fall mostly into three categories:
    1. Ultra-Orthos, who openly hate Arabs and couldn’t care less if they’re perceived as intolerant;
    2. the really rich ones, who join Cancer and Heart committees, contribute to anything that will get them in WWD, and basically long to be Social Register WASPS when they grow up;
    3. middle-class folks on Lawn Guyland, who just want their kids to get professional degrees and marry their middle-class counterparts.
    The last two are usually only moderately religious. They contribute to Israel with about as much thought as parochial school kids contribute to saving Pagan Babies; it’s just something everybody does.
    The one arguable Brilliant Conspirator, George Soros, is by no means universally adored: Ultra-Orthos detest him for his history, Rich WASP wanna-be’s recognize him as a vulgar sociopath, and cringe from his vulgarity as much as if not more than his sociopathy. As for the middle-class folks, most of them don’t even know who he is.
    (If you think this is complicated, ask me about Catholics and Trump.)

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    OK, I'll bite. What's the deal with Catholics and Trump? I want to see if I recognize myself in your schema.
    , @Pachyderm Pachyderma
    You crossed the red line with Hare Krishna, so now you're going to get it:

    Govinda Jaya Jaya, Gopala Jaya Jaya...
    , @Beefcake the Mighty
    "Either Jews are brilliant conspirators, or they are self-destructive morons who aren’t paying attention "

    Could be a combination of both, no? Historically Jewish-led revolutionary movements have always over-played their hand and engendered a backlash against the prominent (and socially isolated) leadership, as with Stain vs. the Trotskyites.
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  85. @Rod1963
    You know what made the protest a "stupid on parade" show?

    The organizers let clowns in KKK and Nazi garb in the march. Wow talk about stupid and a PR disaster. Mr. Taylor the organizers may well have worked for the Democratic party for the disaster they created for our side.

    Next time around, please, please remove all Neo Nazis and KKK types. Hire men whose job it is to police the protestors to make sure any trouble makers are removed on the spot.

    Also they should have known the police would stand down. VA is a purples state run by a rabid Democrat who hates whites and the city had a liberal mayor - do the math. Anti-Fa was guaranteed to show up.

    Lastly if this is the sort of leadership that permeates the alt-right, it's doomed. It needs to change and fast.

    Good stuff, Rod, but rallying for Robt. E. Lee at all is the worst possible symbol of American white identity, short of Jeff Davis. Surely we can find whites who are more appropriate symbols of white achievement, and are thus less likely to be seen as wantonly provocative to blacks etc.

    Picking Lee rubs fence-sitters’ (esp. Orientals, who are so compatible with whites) noses into the view of the alt-Right as a group reveling in exhibitionism, being pricks for the sake of being pricks. If whites can’t think of a more appropriate symbol than Lee, then whites aren’t as smart or stable as they purport to be.

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    "Surely we can find whites who are more appropriate symbols of white achievement, and are thus less likely to be seen as wantonly provocative to blacks etc."

    In 2017, in this climate, there's none. It should've been more about preserving Southern heritage. Robert E. Lee was greatly respected in his time. Nothing to apologize for marching for his statue. See, if BLM/Antifa can go after him, 150YEARS after the fact, then no one's safe. Next it'll be destroying Abraham Lincoln. And then George Washington, cause both are white and both owned slaves. No white historical person is safe from their ideology of bringing whitey down.

    But think about this: IF they get their way, and eliminate all Southern monuments, are you really gullible to think that "Ok, no more bad historical whiteys, everyone can just get along now". That is naive.

    After that, BLM/AntiFa will boldly go after the Founding Fathers (cause they were white, some were slave owners, some were Christian, etc), so have to bring them down. This is similar to the USSR, where every single symbol of Tsarist Russia was destroyed, brought down, obliterated to make way for the new Revolution and its heroes. They will always find something, anything, to agitate about if no one stops them.

    And it will never, ever end until they win. Period.
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  86. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Anonymous
    On a different thread Whiskey suggested that maybe Richard Spencer actually works for George Soros. Any chance this could be true? The decision to align oneself and one's group with Nazis and the KKK is a terrible strategy, a recipe for failure a gross misrepresentation of the alt-right, and just bizarre.

    Also, aligning yourself with Nazis, neo-Nazis, and the KKK legitimates criticism of you in the eyes of probably at least 99% of the U.S. population. The adoption of such a strategy will lead almost certainly to an organization’s destruction, not its growth.

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    "Also, aligning yourself with Nazis, neo-Nazis, and the KKK legitimates criticism of you in the eyes of probably at least 99% of the U.S. population."

    I doubt it is anywhere near 99%. You should have used majority instead. Not that there is really anything wrong with people choosing to be Nazis, neo-Nazis, or the KKK. Hey, if someone performs Female Genital Mutilation as a matter of religion and a certain percentage of America accepts this, how can being a Nazi or Klansmen be anymore ridiculous? Its a chose, isn't it? Some people are Mormons or Jehovah's Witnesses and they have some foolish beliefs as well. The Demonic Rats align with anti-fa, BLM, Muslims, illegal immigrants, and the LGBTUVWTF minorities. Does that legitimize criticism of them? For some people, yes. For the Demonic Rats, not in the least.
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  87. @Rod1963
    You know what made the protest a "stupid on parade" show?

    The organizers let clowns in KKK and Nazi garb in the march. Wow talk about stupid and a PR disaster. Mr. Taylor the organizers may well have worked for the Democratic party for the disaster they created for our side.

    Next time around, please, please remove all Neo Nazis and KKK types. Hire men whose job it is to police the protestors to make sure any trouble makers are removed on the spot.

    Also they should have known the police would stand down. VA is a purples state run by a rabid Democrat who hates whites and the city had a liberal mayor - do the math. Anti-Fa was guaranteed to show up.

    Lastly if this is the sort of leadership that permeates the alt-right, it's doomed. It needs to change and fast.

    The Derb, with his Chinese wife, ought to easily see the import of what I’m saying. Pushing R.E. Lee isn’t going to grease unity among the Ice Peoples.

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    ... with Jews and Australians clearly included as being among the Ice People.
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  88. uslabor says:

    Of course, Jared Taylor of Vdare and his racist enablers here at UNZ.com are are dressing the Nazis in Charlottesville as innocent protesters, However reports indicate that:

    “At dawn Saturday morning, dozens of uniformed fascist militiamen armed with assault rifles and shotguns deployed downtown, establishing military control over the heart of the 50,000-person city. After the militia had secured the area, without police interference, vans filled with people from across the country poured into the city center, unloading hundreds of Nazis armed with guns, knives, chains, metal poles, baseball bats and pepper spray.”

    Truth means nothing to Unz racists, or Jared Taylor.

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    Truth means nothing to Unz racists, or Jared Taylor.
     
    You'd be surprised, Jared's one of my biggest fans.
    , @Greg Bacon
    What reports 'indicate' your quote? Do you have a link?

    Does it also 'indicate' that the antifa thugs were using pepper spray and throwing cement-filled soda cans at the Unite Right marchers?

    So when American white males get together to protest, they are automatically Nazis?
    , @MarkinLA
    Which means exactly nothing until the antifa/BLM trash showed with their sticks, clubs , and pepper spray and started the confrontation.

    Maybe they armed themselves because they saw what those antifa/BLM scum does to people who aren't armed.
    , @Olorin
    So cute.

    Let me guess. You are a summer intern at ADL, SPLC, or Fenton Communications?

    Don't quit your barista job.
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  89. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    “Racism is evil — and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.”

    So says the Repugnant-in-chief. Doesn’t matter whether he meant it or not. He said it for all to hear, so for all purposes, it is carved in stone.

    So, how does that rotating drill-bit up your a-holes feel, you white supremacist scum?

    Hahahahaha!!

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    Yes, he should have mentioned the BLM racists too.
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  90. @Rod1963
    You know what made the protest a "stupid on parade" show?

    The organizers let clowns in KKK and Nazi garb in the march. Wow talk about stupid and a PR disaster. Mr. Taylor the organizers may well have worked for the Democratic party for the disaster they created for our side.

    Next time around, please, please remove all Neo Nazis and KKK types. Hire men whose job it is to police the protestors to make sure any trouble makers are removed on the spot.

    Also they should have known the police would stand down. VA is a purples state run by a rabid Democrat who hates whites and the city had a liberal mayor - do the math. Anti-Fa was guaranteed to show up.

    Lastly if this is the sort of leadership that permeates the alt-right, it's doomed. It needs to change and fast.

    “Also they should have known the police would stand down.”

    100% disagree. The ACLU had helped the Unite The Right rally secure the right to hold their event, and since it was well established that the event was going to occur the scheduled day, the police were duty bound to provide protection, just as they do for every other type of public protest, rally, demonstration, etc under the sun. That’s part of their job, law and order, protection of civilians.

    Clearly the organizers were totally surprised that they wouldn’t receive protection. Come on. That’s a basic minimum of civilized society, the assumption that police will protect a public forum from violence and harm.

    I mean, unless someone can prove or establish that Kessler knew in advance that the police wouldn’t help maintain public safety, that’s really a non-sequitur.

    Anti-fa is going to show up, period. In other words any time a respected and reasonable conservative like Charles Murray gives a speech they don’t like, or Milo, or Coulter, anybody that they deem to be unacceptable to their ideology. The only alternative to standing one’s ground is to cower in fear, go underground, and never ever emerge in public to hold an event, ’cause it might make Antifa angry.

    Welcome to the new America: First Amendment right to assemble and publicly express one’s views but OOPS!, that’s only if you’re part of the accepted class and hold PC opinions.

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  91. @aNanyMouse
    Good stuff, Rod, but rallying for Robt. E. Lee at all is the worst possible symbol of American white identity, short of Jeff Davis. Surely we can find whites who are more appropriate symbols of white achievement, and are thus less likely to be seen as wantonly provocative to blacks etc.

    Picking Lee rubs fence-sitters' (esp. Orientals, who are so compatible with whites) noses into the view of the alt-Right as a group reveling in exhibitionism, being pricks for the sake of being pricks. If whites can't think of a more appropriate symbol than Lee, then whites aren't as smart or stable as they purport to be.

    “Surely we can find whites who are more appropriate symbols of white achievement, and are thus less likely to be seen as wantonly provocative to blacks etc.”

    In 2017, in this climate, there’s none. It should’ve been more about preserving Southern heritage. Robert E. Lee was greatly respected in his time. Nothing to apologize for marching for his statue. See, if BLM/Antifa can go after him, 150YEARS after the fact, then no one’s safe. Next it’ll be destroying Abraham Lincoln. And then George Washington, cause both are white and both owned slaves. No white historical person is safe from their ideology of bringing whitey down.

    But think about this: IF they get their way, and eliminate all Southern monuments, are you really gullible to think that “Ok, no more bad historical whiteys, everyone can just get along now”. That is naive.

    After that, BLM/AntiFa will boldly go after the Founding Fathers (cause they were white, some were slave owners, some were Christian, etc), so have to bring them down. This is similar to the USSR, where every single symbol of Tsarist Russia was destroyed, brought down, obliterated to make way for the new Revolution and its heroes. They will always find something, anything, to agitate about if no one stops them.

    And it will never, ever end until they win. Period.

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    "And it will never, ever end until they win. Period".

    Or until we win. This is the moment for increased resolve rather than defeatism, however justified such defeatism may be by the mere facts.

    Will is what counts, and ours must be stronger than theirs, for the long haul.

    And even if we continue to lose all the battles, and end up like Christians and monarchists in Soviet Russia - well, look at Russia now: cathedrals rebuilt, statues of the sainted Nicholas II and his martyred family being put up and dedicated by the dozens, conservative thought enjoying a resurgence one would have though impossible 25 years ago.

    In other words, Lee and Forrest and their splendid ilk may be uprooted now, but they will be back, and more revered, celebrated and in-your-face than ever.
    , @Astuteobservor II

    It should’ve been more about preserving Southern heritage. Robert E. Lee was greatly respected in his time. Nothing to apologize for marching for his statue.
     
    see, now this is something I can get behind. instead we got retarded KKK and Nazis showing up. you are the company you choose to keep. there is no if or buts.

    whomever was the organizer royally fucked over the alt right this time around.
    , @SolontoCroesus
    You have to dig a little deeper to recognize the importance of Robert E Lee.

    Reaganites ought to love him: Lee was opposed to centralized government; in his view, as expressed in correspondence w/ Lord Acton, the individual sovereignty of states, which included the right to secede, was the sole bulwark -- and genius -- of American Constitutional Republic. Without that sovereignty, the centralized state would agglomerate power to the extent that it could wage war at will, and no force of the people or any other entity could control it. this was understood and expressed in the 1860s by Acton, who was a counselor to Gladstone, in Britain's government.

    The British supported the Confederacy NOT because they supported state's rights -- they didn't, the British thought the US Constitution established an Athenian (majoritarian) democracy that would fail like all other such democracies. Acton understood the crucial importance of Federalism/the superiority of State's Rights as a check on the power of the central government.

    Some of us met in a coffee shop Sunday and started talking about Korea; we mentioned that US killed 3 million NKoreans; dropped more bombs on Korea than all of WWII. One of the guys said, "Well, Sherman destroyed Atlanta: when people are in war, they will do anything to win. Winning is the only thing."
    Others of us raised the Morality question: Is it moral to kill civilians, on a mass scale? Since when is that a noble war? or a just war?
    YET Sherman's scorched earth - march to the sea is the template on which US fought Germany -- utter destruction was the goal, not a happenstance; unconditional surrender was demanded.
    That reduces USA -- WE, Americans -- to savages, not the bastion of civilization.

    Tearing down Robert E Lee allows us to cover up that crime against humanity, just as holocaust museums and the dogmatization of the holocaust narrative allows us to omit reference to our own crimes against humanity -- and so we repeat them and repeat them.

    How many of the dumbos who shrieked their way thru Charlottesville have a clue what Lee stood for? Better they should tear down Lincoln's monument (and the holocaust freak shows) than Lee monuments.

    Jews are using blacks -- again -- for their own purposes.

    Spencer and the other Alt Right spokespersons need to be smarter, take a different approach.

    Years ago some uber Christian group had pizza-bible studies on community college campuses. The pizza was free and it was not that hard to tune out the saccharin jeezuss luvs u msg. A similar approach might work re the "Unite the Right" pov.
    I'd change the name of the movement to American Heritage Renaissance or something like that; I think the "white" thing is kinda stupid: our European heritage is not "white" it's European, and each European point of origin is different from the other. I'm reading Dinesh D'Souza's new money bomb -- it's dreadful -- he doesn't know the difference between Nazism (more accurately, National Socialism) and Fascism -- the Italian context was quite different from the German situation; both were different from Russian, and from French, and from British. Some foreign policy wonks defer to George Kenan's Telegram, and mention that he read Russian literature, but he went deeper than that: he read Russian literature IN RUSSIAN; he understood the soul of the people, and tried to tell American FP makers that they had to do the same. FPers bastardized his recommendations, just used it as a tactic to coerce Russia, not understand culturally.
    No one talks about zionism, the most important of the -isms of that era and the only one that perdured with the most deleterious impact.

    I'd have read-ins, salons and house parties to inform/educate, activate people about these topics. I'd have essay contests -- pull together $20 k and offer prizes for the best High School essay/video, best college essay/video on a selected topic. I wish I could get my brain to sit still long enough to put together a set of questions about "fascism" and "Nazism" , then spend a week in a town like Charlottesville, asking people-on-the-street these questions and, I suspect, disclosing how little they know about what they are talking about.

    I am convinced beyond a doubt that "antifa" has no clue whatsoever what fascism stands for. It's surprising they can handle three syllables.

    It's a shame Trump condemned "Nazis" -- there is no topic that is less understood -- or about which people -- young people especially -- are more misinformed, less critically aware, than the world wars. They have a direct bearing on the wars/foreign policy US is involved in today, and they WILL destroy the USA, just as Acton and Robert E Lee warned. People need to learn about this, and to gain the courage to speak truth to PTB. Yahoo reports that people were fired when their photo showed they'd attended the Protest, and families are denouncing family members for participation: clear sign that tender nerves are being pinched. Actually a good sign.

    If you love your country, deny the holocaust!
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  92. whoever says: • Website
    @KenH
    The (((media))) has been telling many whoppers about the event, but surprisingly even FOX has signed on to the fake news. No media outlet has reported that affirmative action vice mayor of Charlottesville, Wes Bellamy, is a black panther. Even "we report, you decide" FOX has gone fake and failed to report this.

    Essentially the media act like Charlottesville, VA is Hollister, CA in 1947 when bikers rampaged through the town. Only in this case it was hideously evil white supremacists.

    So it's now countdown to narrative collapse and when the left loses this narrative they will flush it down the memory hole and act as if it never happened. Until the next time.

    Essentially the media act like Charlottesville, VA is Hollister, CA in 1947 when bikers rampaged through the town.

    Apparently, the Hollister motorcycle ‘riot’ was fake news.

    “The bar owners were standing out front of the bars saying ‘Bring your bike in!’ They put mine right up on the bar.
    On Sunday, the cops came with riot guns and told us all to pack up and leave. At first, we just sat on the curb and laughed at them, because there was no riot going on, but we all left anyway.”

    ” No one was killed or raped; there was no destruction of property, no arson, or looting; in fact, no locals suffered any harm at all.”
    There are lies, damned lies…and media lies.

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  93. @Rod1963
    You know what made the protest a "stupid on parade" show?

    The organizers let clowns in KKK and Nazi garb in the march. Wow talk about stupid and a PR disaster. Mr. Taylor the organizers may well have worked for the Democratic party for the disaster they created for our side.

    Next time around, please, please remove all Neo Nazis and KKK types. Hire men whose job it is to police the protestors to make sure any trouble makers are removed on the spot.

    Also they should have known the police would stand down. VA is a purples state run by a rabid Democrat who hates whites and the city had a liberal mayor - do the math. Anti-Fa was guaranteed to show up.

    Lastly if this is the sort of leadership that permeates the alt-right, it's doomed. It needs to change and fast.

    The organizers let clowns in KKK and Nazi garb in the march. Wow talk about stupid and a PR disaster. Mr. Taylor the organizers may well have worked for the Democratic party for the disaster they created for our side.

    Indeed. Instead of the silly costumes and adornments, each and every one should have carried a photo of a white victim of negro crime. We lose the propaganda war every day and so far the number of alt-right folks who get that is vanishingly small.

    Wake up you idiots! The communists have made “victimhood” the highest achievement of mankind. But theirs are victims of “feelz” and ours are victims of assault, robbery, rape, and murder. Force the commies to justify placing “hurt feelings” on the same plane as rape and murder victims. And remember the politicians’ favorite mantra: “for the children.” Publish and carry photos of all the dead white kids murdered (often tortured to death) by the commies’ precious diversity.

    It truly is as if the alt-right is actually led by crypto-communists devoted to discrediting our goal of survival for our people.

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    Instead of the silly costumes and adornments, each and every one should have carried a photo of a white victim of negro crime.
     
    Priss Factor's comment here https://www.unz.com/article/thoughts-on-charlottesville-and-what-it-means-for-us/#comment-1968957 ** made the fundamental point: Jews -- more appropriately, a 'Syndicate' or "criminal conspiracy," to use Jeff Gates's term, led by Jews and operating on Jewish-ish ideas but including a large coterie of both fully-invested- and witless tools- from the 'white', Christian community is behind this Color Revolution; BLM and (Soros-paid) 'negroes' are their carry-out boys and girls, house nigger serving the massah one more time.

    ***

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cr56HuPf-9o

    That being the case, Nazi "adornment" is most appropriate: Germans and other European Christians were the victims of the first mass action of this criminal syndicate (WWI was the beta). Hitler (and Charles Lindbergh and Ezra Pound) are so totally demonized because they called out the enemy by name and, for a time, mounted a successful resistance.

    Black people are not the enemy.
    In my view, It would be smarter to work to 're-educate' the Black community -- and other minorities including immigrants & Muslims -- to the identity and strategy & tactics of the Criminal Syndicate led by Jewish-ish principles: get them IN the 'alt-Right' tent, working WITH us against the real anti-Americans, rather than allow them to advance the cause of the Jewish-ish led Criminal Syndicate whose goal is, ultimately, to destroy BOTH us AND Blacks -- and other minorities.

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  94. Antifanissary are Teachers’ Pets who got F’s who follow orders from Teachers’ Pets who got A’s.

    Bottom-feeding ‘communists’ manipulated by top-leading globalist-capitalists.

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  95. One thing that hasn’t been brought up in all this. How come it didn’t occur to Kessler to provide bodyguards to protect the speakers and possibly enough to protect at least some of the attendees? Just in case there weren’t sufficient numbers of police?

    Not saying he should’ve seen this one coming. I am saying why didn’t he think to bring bodyguards? Whenever elites go out, they almost always have armed bodyguards. That is, I think, a legitimate concern. He should’ve brought bodyguards and in sufficient numbers to bolster what he reasonably thought was going to be police protection. That way, when this went down, at least some bodyguards were there and you know, unlike the police, they wouldn’t have stood down.

    Next time, bring private bodyguards and in sufficient numbers to assist should Antifa etc decide to come a’calling.

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    Report: ‘Unite the Right’ Organizer Jason Kessler Was Occupy-Movement Obama Supporter 8 Mos Ago

    Something’s rotten in many states…

    Nothing smells right about any of this. In fact, Lee Stranahan has connected the “Unite the Right” rally to an identical Neo-Nazi movement in Ukraine supported by John McCain and Hillary Clinton.

    http://ibankcoin.com/zeropointnow/2017/08/14/report-unite-the-right-organizer-jason-kessler-was-occupy-movement-obama-supporter-8-mos-ago/
     
    Sure changed sides fast, didn't he? Wonder if there was some money involved?
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  96. @Binyamin
    Ron, the Alt Right are pure evil. They are virtually indistinguishable from Nazis and Ku Klux Klan. The phrases, 'white nationalist', 'white supremacist' and Neo Nazi means the same. People who call themselves white nationalist are too cowardly to admit that they are effectively Neo Nazis. Senator Ted Cruz was right when he called them pure evil yesterday-I cannot quote him exactly but the gist of what he was saying was that when you are faced with evil you have to take a moral stand, and Ted Cruz is no left liberal, believe me. Have you read what Richard Spencer, the Nazi thug and Alt Right poster boy wrote recently? He has called for ethnic cleansing to create a white ethno state in America. Ethnic cleansing equals genocide and it is what ISIS are currently doing in the middle east to the Yazidis, the Christians and the Kurds.
    I think the media has been extremely generous to the Alt Right and has given it undeserved publicity and overlooked its tendency to violence, bigotry and intimidation. The Alt Right is an emerging proto- terrorist movement and most politically related violence and terrorism in the US over the past ten years has been committed by people on the far right rather than by Islamists. The security services knows about it yet the media has chosen to ignore this unpalatable fact. The security services has also known for some time that on-line radicalization of young white males, mainly the 'loser types' is causing a major security headache throughout America.
    Until last week Chancellorsville was a sleepy peaceful town where people just got on with their lives and got on with each other. Yesterday the town was invaded by uninvited Neo Nazis and KKK and the whole world saw on their TV screens the shameful spectacle of Nazi salutes in a small town America in the twenty first century.
    It is an irony Ron, that a significant fraction of the white nationalist crowd are foreign born extremists and hate preachers. I think it is time Homeland security moves in against them and carry out deportations. And finally Ron, you will earn some good Karma if you stop providing a platform to some of these foreign born right wing extremists and hate preachers.

    If whites are evil, why make whites serve Israel and Jewish identity?

    Or, are whites evil only when they pursue white interests than Jewish ones?

    And who were behind Iraq War, Syria War, Libya War, mess in West Bank, Ukraine coup, new cold war, economic looting of Russia in 90s, the huge profits from addicting people on Opiods, and etc?

    Was it Alt Right?

    There are evil elements in Alt Right, just like there were radical extremist elements on the Prog side. In the 60s, rich Jews went ‘radical chic’ and supported black thugs and neo-marxist terrorists.

    But most of Alt Right is a reaction to total PC-ization of society that unduly blames all things on whites.

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  97. @Anonymous
    Also, aligning yourself with Nazis, neo-Nazis, and the KKK legitimates criticism of you in the eyes of probably at least 99% of the U.S. population. The adoption of such a strategy will lead almost certainly to an organization's destruction, not its growth.

    “Also, aligning yourself with Nazis, neo-Nazis, and the KKK legitimates criticism of you in the eyes of probably at least 99% of the U.S. population.”

    I doubt it is anywhere near 99%. You should have used majority instead. Not that there is really anything wrong with people choosing to be Nazis, neo-Nazis, or the KKK. Hey, if someone performs Female Genital Mutilation as a matter of religion and a certain percentage of America accepts this, how can being a Nazi or Klansmen be anymore ridiculous? Its a chose, isn’t it? Some people are Mormons or Jehovah’s Witnesses and they have some foolish beliefs as well. The Demonic Rats align with anti-fa, BLM, Muslims, illegal immigrants, and the LGBTUVWTF minorities. Does that legitimize criticism of them? For some people, yes. For the Demonic Rats, not in the least.

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    The problem with your argument is that the left controls almost everything, the universities, the schools, the media (news, talk shows, TV shows, movies), the perception of reality which is often a distortion and inversion of objective reality, most perniciously and systemically in respect to race and nonwhite immigration. They "spin" the memes and control the narrative and hold the megaphone. They choose what is news and what is not news. They decide who and what is good and who and what is evil, who is respected, praised, feted, lionized, and who is demonized, vilified, caricatured, ridiculed.

    Ergo, the left-liberal establishment and Democratic party are not vilified and demonized for supporting or refusing to criticize and denounce "antifa" and BLM fanatics and terrorists or lying hatemongers and demagogues like Al Sharpton, while all race-realists and white advocates and immigration restrictionists, intelligent and rational and honest men like Jared Taylor and Peter Brimelow and John Derbyshire, are demonized and vilified as "racists" and "Nazis" and "white supremacists" and conflated with extremists who hold signs with swastikas and wave confederate flags and such at Charlottesville.
    , @SMK
    Because the left controls almost everything, we live in a nation in which Al Sharpton, a lying hatemonger and hoaxer who should have been buried in prison long ago for murder and tax-evasion, was invited to the White House over a 100 times during the Obama years, often to meet with and advise the President as his "go-to-man on race" and had a nightly talk show for 4-years on MSNBC and is described as a "civil rights activist," an appellation with positive, even heroic, connotations. We live in a nation in which BLM extemists -a quasi-terrorist organization that calls for the murder of white police officers ("what do we want, pigs in a blanket"), if not explicitly as a matter of policy then implicitly in their white-hating and police-hating rhetoric- were invited to the WH to meet with Obama and advise him on racial issues.

    And in the collusion with AG Eric Holder, Obama espoused their lies and canards on the shooting deaths, clearly in self-defense, of Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown, recklessly facilitating if not explicitly provoking riots and the shooting deaths of 5 police and the wounding of 7 others in Dallas by a white-hating black lunatic. And likewise in Louisiana. And for all this he endured only the mildest and most feckless criticism on Fox News and by a few Republicans and mainstream conservatives: no calls for impeachment, not legal actions, civil or criminal, no serious political repercussions.

    Imagine the outrage and hysteria if Trump invited Jared Taylor to the White House, which of course he would never even think of doing. Or even Ann Coulter.

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  98. @The Alarmist
    Not true. Blacks get their share of police beat downs, but usually only when the police are confident in their numerical superiority, because the blacks fight back.

    Not true. Blacks get their share of police beat downs, but usually only when the police are confident in their numerical superiority, because the blacks fight back.

    Only because they riot and go crazy.

    Alt Right don’t act like that. They still got muscled by cops who left Antifanissary alone.

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    Non sequitur...
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  99. Rurik says:
    @Johnny Smoggins
    Too many on the right still think cops and the military are the good guys. They aren't. Just because your brother in law the cop once told a "racist" joke at a barbecue doesn't mean the cops are on our side. The government pays their cheques and it is to them that they are beholden. What this means in practical terms is that any cop will gladly blow your brains out, even if you're holding an infant (like Vicky Weaver was), if a Joe Biden type decides that you're "a Nazi".


    Let the cucks worship cops. The far right should have the same hatred and contempt for them that BLM does.

    The far right should have the same hatred and contempt for them that BLM does.

    agree when it comes to federal marshals and most local cops, but not all

    Sheriff Joe comes to mind. If the Fiend hates a man that much, there must be something good about him.

    but most of the time, you’re right, and a cop will blow your brains out or shoot your dog for any reason or none, and knows he can lie on the stand and will likely suffer no consequences due to cretins on the jury and a ((legal system)) that is often corrupt

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  100. @Johnny Smoggins
    Too many on the right still think cops and the military are the good guys. They aren't. Just because your brother in law the cop once told a "racist" joke at a barbecue doesn't mean the cops are on our side. The government pays their cheques and it is to them that they are beholden. What this means in practical terms is that any cop will gladly blow your brains out, even if you're holding an infant (like Vicky Weaver was), if a Joe Biden type decides that you're "a Nazi".


    Let the cucks worship cops. The far right should have the same hatred and contempt for them that BLM does.

    Let the cucks worship cops. The far right should have the same hatred and contempt for them that BLM does.

    I’m sorry my friend, but you are VERY wrong. The far right, indeed all white people, should have FAR more hatred and contempt for pigs than do the BLM negroes and their communist backers. Have you read Colin Flaherty’s books? Watched his videos?

    Every single day in America, white men, women, and children are brutalized (often fatally) by negroes that the pigs refuse to arrest. Instead, these pigs write us traffic tickets or take naps at home or whatever they’re doing while solving fewer than half of the rapes and murders in America. Based on successful prosecution numbers, you’d believe negroes are brilliant arch-villains rather than IQ 85 idiots who leave a trail of evidence the average Down Syndrome cop could follow.

    If the pigs did their jobs, I’d support them. But then if the pigs had wings they’d fly..

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  101. Rurik says:
    @Lara
    If this statue is so meaningful to these people, they should offer to move it to a town that will appreciate it. I would like to live in a town with a cool statue like that.

    If this statue is so meaningful to these people, they should offer to move it to a town that will appreciate it. I would like to live in a town with a cool statue like that.

    that’s the ticket

    demographics are destiny, and these pitiful white Americans haven’t figured that out yet, especially when the federal government and our media is their blood enemy

    people need to vote with their feet, and forsake their beloved deep south. They need to walk away from the lands and landscapes of their heritage and lives, and move on to whiter pastures. When we leave, we will take the tax base with us, and the innovative spirit and ability. Leave California and New York and Atlanta to the dregs and SJW- who they’ll soon feed on, once the white working class is gone, and the places descend into Zimbabwes and Detroits.

    it’s high time that Atlas shrugged

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    it’s high time that Atlas shrugged
     
    My friend, Atlas is already shrugging..

    Look at the suicide rate for white males in middle age. Look at the overall mortality rate for that same cohort. We are shrugging, but in the only way we can, by checking out. If you go postal, your family will suffer. If you quit working, your family will suffer. But if you just check out, your family gets your Social Security benefits and if you managed to check out "accidentally" they also get your life insurance payout. And yes, I have indeed given this subject far too much thought as I've contemplated the loss of a good number of healthy friends as well as the future for myself and my family.

    If and when the bogus American fiat currency collapses, we may see Atlas shrug in a different manner, but for now this sadly is the best we can muster.
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  102. Truth says:
    @Marshall Lentini
    Never seen it, cupcake. Sorry you're sensitive. Guess a real game of sportsball might've done you some good.

    /cheap ad homineth winth argumentth

    LOL, I’m not sensitive, I’m just inspired by all of the firey pitchfork and torches speeches I’m reading today by all of you 40- hour a week office cogs.

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    Eh, you're a vapid christling. Waste of time.
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  103. Truth says:
    @uslabor
    Of course, Jared Taylor of Vdare and his racist enablers here at UNZ.com are are dressing the Nazis in Charlottesville as innocent protesters, However reports indicate that:

    "At dawn Saturday morning, dozens of uniformed fascist militiamen armed with assault rifles and shotguns deployed downtown, establishing military control over the heart of the 50,000-person city. After the militia had secured the area, without police interference, vans filled with people from across the country poured into the city center, unloading hundreds of Nazis armed with guns, knives, chains, metal poles, baseball bats and pepper spray."

    Truth means nothing to Unz racists, or Jared Taylor.

    Truth means nothing to Unz racists, or Jared Taylor.

    You’d be surprised, Jared’s one of my biggest fans.

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  104. annamaria says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    It should be noted of the fact the "conservative" leaning ACLU filed a lawsuit on behalf of the right of Kessler's group to hold "Unite the Right". The ACLU also has publicly stated that the police were given the order to stand down and not protect the Alt-Right speakers who were entering the park, nor the audience who were about to enter to listen to the speakers.

    At this time, it appears that Kessler has a case to be made vs. the Mayor and possibly the city of Charlottesville. He should ask the ACLU to help him and file the lawsuit in Federal Court that the Alt Right's Civil Rights were indeed violated and their First Amendment rights were not protected.

    To better understand what has happened in Charlottesville, American citizens need to learn the details of the “democracy on the march” instituted by the State. Dept. in Ukraine.
    Here is an interview with Russell Bentley, a former marine of the US army: http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/08/exclusive-interview-former-osce.html
    The Odessa massacre, when tens of people were burnt alive to death , should be named after Obama & Nuland-Kagan: http://theduran.com/remembering-the-odessa-massacre-2-may-2014/
    “The Odessa Massacre remains a haunting moment for the mothers and fathers who had to bury their young children after they were burned alive or fell to their deaths. The 2nd of May marks the three year anniversary of the tragedy that took the lives of at least 48 people, including seven women, and injured 250 others.”
    The massacre was conducted by the pro-Kievan junta “freedom fighters.” The police, loyal to Kiev, stood by without interrupting the massacre. “…the police stated that they did not have the authority to act, or to interfere with “self-defense” force functionaries.” – The same kind of explanation that the Charlottesville police has produced for public consumption.

    https://www.rt.com/news/386785-odessa-massacre-three-years-on/

    https://therussophile.com/the-truth-about-the-odessa-massacre.html

    Odessa Massacre: ‘Right Sector wouldn’t let people out of burning building”
    The Right Sector is a Ukrainian neo-Nazi organization that has been the main collaborator with the State Dept. via Nuland-Kagan and with the US Congress via McCain.

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  105. @Michael Kenny
    I don’t think it matters who “got it right”. America is not merely in the post-truth age, it is in the post-morality age. There’s no attempt on any side to seek objective right or wrong. It’s quite simply “if it was done by my pals, it’s right; if it was done to my pals, it’s wrong”. Thus, what matters is perception, not right or wrong, and on that score, the far right are coming out of this as losers. In the beginning were the conservatives. They are the core of the American right. The far right, alt-right or whatever are marginal extremists. Conservatives like law and order. They associate people running riot with everything they oppose. Rioting just isn’t the “American way” in conservative eyes. Also, outside of the south, they are not particular admirers of the Confederacy. What happened in Charlottesville will thus scare off conservatives. Getting into a fight over a Confederate monument was a disastrous political blunder for the far right and highlights their amateurism and lack of political savvy. What sticks in people’s minds is that car crashing into the crowd and someone being killed. It was a right-winger who did that and even if he is never convicted of any offence, that’s what people will remember. The far right have shot themselves in the foot. It remains to be seen how extensive, and how permanent, the damage is.

    In the beginning were the conservatives. They are the core of the American right…. Also, outside of the south, they are not particular admirers of the Confederacy.

    Oh, but many of us Yankees are figuring it out. We are tired (sick and damned tired) of waiting for the negroes’ gratitude for winning the War of Northern Aggression and then allowing the negroes to move into our previously 100% white states to commit crimes against us while collecting our welfare checks.

    In fact, having traveled extensively throughout the country and having lived both in the coldest north and warmest south, I can say that I think us Yankees are FAR more fed up with negro behavior than the most “racist” great-great-great-great-grandson of any plantation owner.

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    100% true. Put money on the average Irish-Italian from NH flatly siding with us over any "southern boy", who ain't racist, but ....
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  106. Hunsdon says:
    @Quartermaster
    For a Proto-terrorist movement, they sure are peaceful. They are not the ones that have initiated the violence, the left is. Cruz is misinformed, and you're simply a propagandist.

    In what must be a sign of the end times, I agree with Quartermaster.

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    You made me smile
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  107. bjondo says:

    Removal of actual history and replacing it with fake history
    and political correctness and multiculturalism and painting whites as nazis and the transgender program and created identity conflicts originates with and benefits what bloodsucking, vampire tribe?

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  108. @Truth
    LOL, I'm not sensitive, I'm just inspired by all of the firey pitchfork and torches speeches I'm reading today by all of you 40- hour a week office cogs.

    Eh, you’re a vapid christling. Waste of time.

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  109. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "Surely we can find whites who are more appropriate symbols of white achievement, and are thus less likely to be seen as wantonly provocative to blacks etc."

    In 2017, in this climate, there's none. It should've been more about preserving Southern heritage. Robert E. Lee was greatly respected in his time. Nothing to apologize for marching for his statue. See, if BLM/Antifa can go after him, 150YEARS after the fact, then no one's safe. Next it'll be destroying Abraham Lincoln. And then George Washington, cause both are white and both owned slaves. No white historical person is safe from their ideology of bringing whitey down.

    But think about this: IF they get their way, and eliminate all Southern monuments, are you really gullible to think that "Ok, no more bad historical whiteys, everyone can just get along now". That is naive.

    After that, BLM/AntiFa will boldly go after the Founding Fathers (cause they were white, some were slave owners, some were Christian, etc), so have to bring them down. This is similar to the USSR, where every single symbol of Tsarist Russia was destroyed, brought down, obliterated to make way for the new Revolution and its heroes. They will always find something, anything, to agitate about if no one stops them.

    And it will never, ever end until they win. Period.

    “And it will never, ever end until they win. Period”.

    Or until we win. This is the moment for increased resolve rather than defeatism, however justified such defeatism may be by the mere facts.

    Will is what counts, and ours must be stronger than theirs, for the long haul.

    And even if we continue to lose all the battles, and end up like Christians and monarchists in Soviet Russia – well, look at Russia now: cathedrals rebuilt, statues of the sainted Nicholas II and his martyred family being put up and dedicated by the dozens, conservative thought enjoying a resurgence one would have though impossible 25 years ago.

    In other words, Lee and Forrest and their splendid ilk may be uprooted now, but they will be back, and more revered, celebrated and in-your-face than ever.

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  110. @Rurik

    If this statue is so meaningful to these people, they should offer to move it to a town that will appreciate it. I would like to live in a town with a cool statue like that.
     
    that's the ticket

    demographics are destiny, and these pitiful white Americans haven't figured that out yet, especially when the federal government and our media is their blood enemy

    people need to vote with their feet, and forsake their beloved deep south. They need to walk away from the lands and landscapes of their heritage and lives, and move on to whiter pastures. When we leave, we will take the tax base with us, and the innovative spirit and ability. Leave California and New York and Atlanta to the dregs and SJW- who they'll soon feed on, once the white working class is gone, and the places descend into Zimbabwes and Detroits.

    it's high time that Atlas shrugged

    it’s high time that Atlas shrugged

    My friend, Atlas is already shrugging..

    Look at the suicide rate for white males in middle age. Look at the overall mortality rate for that same cohort. We are shrugging, but in the only way we can, by checking out. If you go postal, your family will suffer. If you quit working, your family will suffer. But if you just check out, your family gets your Social Security benefits and if you managed to check out “accidentally” they also get your life insurance payout. And yes, I have indeed given this subject far too much thought as I’ve contemplated the loss of a good number of healthy friends as well as the future for myself and my family.

    If and when the bogus American fiat currency collapses, we may see Atlas shrug in a different manner, but for now this sadly is the best we can muster.

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    Atlas is already shrugging..
     
    there's a better way: migration

    if you can't leave for S. America (actually far, far more accommodating than ((N. America)) for white folks, then at least head to some place like N. Dakota or Idaho or even Nebraska is better than the alternative you speak of.

    we get too bogged down by the ubiquitous dystopia of the Matrix- of cultural and spiritual sewage shat in our faces 24/7 we see on ((TV and the media)), and forget the sublime truths, of the simple joys of family and friends and bird song and a smiling dog. But you have to find a friendly place, and the cities and urban areas are not that. And they're going to get a whole lot worse before they ever get better, believe me.

    it's tough to pack up and get out, but our ancestors have been doing it for centuries- until it's time to fight, and it's waaayyy to soon for that, IMHO.

    just leave the shithole they've made of your community, and head out and find a Galt's Gulch, or build one. It'll be tough at first, but we need all the people of good will and patriotic spirit that we have, if not for us, then certainly for our progeny.
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  111. @Stan d Mute

    In the beginning were the conservatives. They are the core of the American right.... Also, outside of the south, they are not particular admirers of the Confederacy.
     
    Oh, but many of us Yankees are figuring it out. We are tired (sick and damned tired) of waiting for the negroes' gratitude for winning the War of Northern Aggression and then allowing the negroes to move into our previously 100% white states to commit crimes against us while collecting our welfare checks.

    In fact, having traveled extensively throughout the country and having lived both in the coldest north and warmest south, I can say that I think us Yankees are FAR more fed up with negro behavior than the most "racist" great-great-great-great-grandson of any plantation owner.

    100% true. Put money on the average Irish-Italian from NH flatly siding with us over any “southern boy”, who ain’t racist, but ….

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  112. FLgeezer says:
    @DFH
    ' He has called for ethnic cleansing to create a white ethno state in America. Ethnic cleansing equals genocide and it is what ISIS are currently doing in the middle east to the Yazidis, the Christians and the Kurds'

    Funny you use that analogy and not the creation of Israel in 1948. Or is it only Jews that deserve an ethnic state and not white people?

    Ethnic cleansing can be peaceful (not to imply the creation of Israel was)

    >Funny you use that analogy and not the creation of Israel in 1948. Or is it only Jews that deserve an ethnic state and not white people?

    From someone who calls himself Binyamin, what else would you expect?

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  113. awwwwwwww those misguided old lefty liberals with their peace, love, and understanding put the fear of god into the kkk, white nationalist haters toting ar-15′s and dressed up in pretend militia uniforms, and forced some young kid to mow down protesters isis style.
    there was one murder saturday with several seriously injured. that was committed by the mighty whitey righty. i’m sure the author meant to condemn murder, but he musta just forgot.

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  114. what the white race has to do is out breed the bastards

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  115. FLgeezer says:
    @bjondo
    zimmerman, son of a jew judge, provoked this criminal act
    he was a wannabe hero protecting the what ever
    he deserved to have the crap beat out of him but was untouched as the first video at police station showed.

    Blacks are attacked by police every hour of every day

    >Blacks are attacked by police every hour of every day

    In other words, in proportion to the number of crimes they commit, right?

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    Could be. Don't know.

    I was responding to priss at #1 but forgot to click 'reply'.

    I've never known cops to back off slugging black thugs sometimes non thug blacks.

    The only group that I know that walks from majority of their crimes are Jew

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  116. Art says:

    Trump is a bastard – but he is my bastard. I like his domestic goals. I like that he shut down the CIA in Syria. His tough talk on NKorea may be paying off.

    With that said I fear that he does not get what the President of the United States means to the world. Like it or not, the US president means a steadiness and security – it means a calming hand to billions of the ill-informed world.

    When Trump insists on being belligerent to friend and foe alike – it is unsettling to the masses – their rock is no longer being rock like. Clearly, the hard right and left are taking advantage of this situation. We are being pushed away from goodness. Trump’s angry tone and talk are cutting off our connection to dependable goodness.

    If Trump is not careful, bad people will use him to blow up the world.

    He needs to cool it – his statement on putting US military into Venezuela is way over the top – it is a signal that violence is the solution for everything. Venezuela is a peaceful nation with money problems – why the military. That is very wrong.

    Peace — Art

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  117. Zumbuddi says: • Website

    When will we see investigation into sponsorship &funding of counter proyezters? It is obvious they did not just happen by — the mayhem they carried out was planned. Shouldn’t organizers of counter protest be held liable for physical harm or property damage? We’re they bussed in or locals? Someone said Craigslist called for play actors.

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  118. Maus says:
    @Rosamond Vincy
    Either Jews are brilliant conspirators, or they are self-destructive morons who aren't paying attention to the fact that Muslims targeted them as well as Christians in San Bernardino, Paris, etc.
    My money is on the second, at least for those Social Justice types who think if they sing Kumbaya everybody will love them back, and those are mostly lapsed Jews, practicing Wiccan/Neopagan blah-bah just like all the lapsed Christians who went Hari Krishna back in the day.
    As for practicing Jews, at least in NYC where I lived for over a decade, they seem to fall mostly into three categories:
    1. Ultra-Orthos, who openly hate Arabs and couldn't care less if they're perceived as intolerant;
    2. the really rich ones, who join Cancer and Heart committees, contribute to anything that will get them in WWD, and basically long to be Social Register WASPS when they grow up;
    3. middle-class folks on Lawn Guyland, who just want their kids to get professional degrees and marry their middle-class counterparts.
    The last two are usually only moderately religious. They contribute to Israel with about as much thought as parochial school kids contribute to saving Pagan Babies; it's just something everybody does.
    The one arguable Brilliant Conspirator, George Soros, is by no means universally adored: Ultra-Orthos detest him for his history, Rich WASP wanna-be's recognize him as a vulgar sociopath, and cringe from his vulgarity as much as if not more than his sociopathy. As for the middle-class folks, most of them don't even know who he is.
    (If you think this is complicated, ask me about Catholics and Trump.)

    OK, I’ll bite. What’s the deal with Catholics and Trump? I want to see if I recognize myself in your schema.

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    Moved halfway across the country in the '90s, so that's where I'm getting my sample:

    Ultra-trad: Enthusiastically voted for obscure candidates like the American Solidarity Party that nobody ever heard of and that hadn't a snowball's chance in Purgatory of winning.
    Trad: Unenthusiastically voted for Trump, skeptical of his pro-life claims, but figuring anything was better than Hillary, who seemed ready to extend abortion rights to the neo-natology ward.
    Moderate: Many voted for third-party candidates like the Libertarian guy, and didn't care if he won or not as long as the election was finally over.
    Guitar-Mass Catholics: Quietly voted for Hillary, and felt mildly guilty about it. Or quietly voted for Trump, and felt mildly guilty about it. Both lied to their friends.
    Lapsed Catholics, idealist: Bernie.
    Lapsed Catholics, cynical: Wake and bake, can't remember if they made it to the polls or not.

    As for New Yorkers, Hillary won her Senate seat because, while Lawn Guylanders hated her on general principal, they had specific reasons for hating Lazio. By the time she ran against Trump, however, they had specific reasons to hate her too, but of course, they also had specific reasons to hate Trump. The ones I stayed in touch with mostly voted Trump, but I have weird friends.

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  119. Olorin says:
    @Priss Factor
    Maybe BLM is half-right about cops. They suck!!

    Police Brutality is certainly true against White Patriots. Cops pull back from black thugs but go after white patriots who support the police. What a world!

    As for the media, of course they would act this way.

    It pulled the same shi* with Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown.

    Martin was shot after attacking Zimmerman first. But it was 'white hispanic kills kid armed only with skittles'.

    Michael Brown was shot for charging a cop. But the narrative was 'hands up, don't shoot'.

    Blacks are a protected class. Jewish elites need them for 'white guilt' pills.

    Blacks-as-victims narrative milks white guilt. That's why Hollywood is making THREE Emmit Till movies.
    But Blacks-as-thugs narrative ends white guilt. If anything, it supports white defense and white pride.

    Whites are becoming Palestinianized.

    Priss, LE units do not act on their own. They are deployed by those who give them orders.

    When those who give such orders want to help create the media narrative such as the one deliberately created here, they order LE to stand down.

    (This also happened at The Evergreen State College in May and June, and will resume in September. The police chief there quit in fury at being told by President George Bridges to stand down when members of the staff, faculty, and students were in specific danger. And then he ordered her and her officers OFF CAMPUS, leaving the entire community at the mercy of rioters and hostage-takers.)

    A separate question is who organized the “antifa”–who paid their way, who bought their gumbo, who made their signs, who sent them flashmob messages to assemble and create mayhem.

    This is all an exercise in American Pravda–our republic’s official Opposition Party. This is all designed for propaganda purposes. Because frankly the left has nothing to go on of any consequence other than continual paranoia and hysteria.

    The point is not to maintain order or encourage maturity in speech or action.

    The point is to reiterate the Narrative and identify heretics for localized punishment.

    The point is to make something that could have gone very quietly into something that generates hundreds of millions of dollars’ worth of clickbait. Clickbait that will be translated into brand loyalty for the Dems.

    This is why MoveOn asks for only a dollar or whatever in its online campaigns. It is a proven fact of mail order scams that if a person invests anything in an opinion, however small, they will hold that opinion more robustly for a longer time with a slower curve of cognitive extinction. Giving people a series of clicks, and the concomitant adrenaline surges those are designed to generate, is a similar mind and behavior engineering strategy. Investing emotion is even more powerful than investing a few dollars.

    It is the last gasp of bolshevism. Which, since it moved to and lodged itself in the US, has gotten very powerful indeed. But we have killed off more powerful evils than that in the past. And will do so again.

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  120. nickels says:

    Time 19:50 talks about the guilt complex based on race.

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  121. Greg Bacon says: • Website
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    One thing that hasn't been brought up in all this. How come it didn't occur to Kessler to provide bodyguards to protect the speakers and possibly enough to protect at least some of the attendees? Just in case there weren't sufficient numbers of police?

    Not saying he should've seen this one coming. I am saying why didn't he think to bring bodyguards? Whenever elites go out, they almost always have armed bodyguards. That is, I think, a legitimate concern. He should've brought bodyguards and in sufficient numbers to bolster what he reasonably thought was going to be police protection. That way, when this went down, at least some bodyguards were there and you know, unlike the police, they wouldn't have stood down.

    Next time, bring private bodyguards and in sufficient numbers to assist should Antifa etc decide to come a'calling.

    Report: ‘Unite the Right’ Organizer Jason Kessler Was Occupy-Movement Obama Supporter 8 Mos Ago

    Something’s rotten in many states…

    Nothing smells right about any of this. In fact, Lee Stranahan has connected the “Unite the Right” rally to an identical Neo-Nazi movement in Ukraine supported by John McCain and Hillary Clinton.

    http://ibankcoin.com/zeropointnow/2017/08/14/report-unite-the-right-organizer-jason-kessler-was-occupy-movement-obama-supporter-8-mos-ago/

    Sure changed sides fast, didn’t he? Wonder if there was some money involved?

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  122. Greg Bacon says: • Website
    @uslabor
    Of course, Jared Taylor of Vdare and his racist enablers here at UNZ.com are are dressing the Nazis in Charlottesville as innocent protesters, However reports indicate that:

    "At dawn Saturday morning, dozens of uniformed fascist militiamen armed with assault rifles and shotguns deployed downtown, establishing military control over the heart of the 50,000-person city. After the militia had secured the area, without police interference, vans filled with people from across the country poured into the city center, unloading hundreds of Nazis armed with guns, knives, chains, metal poles, baseball bats and pepper spray."

    Truth means nothing to Unz racists, or Jared Taylor.

    What reports ‘indicate’ your quote? Do you have a link?

    Does it also ‘indicate’ that the antifa thugs were using pepper spray and throwing cement-filled soda cans at the Unite Right marchers?

    So when American white males get together to protest, they are automatically Nazis?

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  123. MarkinLA says:
    @uslabor
    Of course, Jared Taylor of Vdare and his racist enablers here at UNZ.com are are dressing the Nazis in Charlottesville as innocent protesters, However reports indicate that:

    "At dawn Saturday morning, dozens of uniformed fascist militiamen armed with assault rifles and shotguns deployed downtown, establishing military control over the heart of the 50,000-person city. After the militia had secured the area, without police interference, vans filled with people from across the country poured into the city center, unloading hundreds of Nazis armed with guns, knives, chains, metal poles, baseball bats and pepper spray."

    Truth means nothing to Unz racists, or Jared Taylor.

    Which means exactly nothing until the antifa/BLM trash showed with their sticks, clubs , and pepper spray and started the confrontation.

    Maybe they armed themselves because they saw what those antifa/BLM scum does to people who aren’t armed.

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  124. MarkinLA says:
    @anonymous
    "Racism is evil -- and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans."

    So says the Repugnant-in-chief. Doesn't matter whether he meant it or not. He said it for all to hear, so for all purposes, it is carved in stone.

    So, how does that rotating drill-bit up your a-holes feel, you white supremacist scum?

    Hahahahaha!!

    Yes, he should have mentioned the BLM racists too.

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  125. bjondo says:
    @FLgeezer
    >Blacks are attacked by police every hour of every day

    In other words, in proportion to the number of crimes they commit, right?

    Could be. Don’t know.

    I was responding to priss at #1 but forgot to click ‘reply’.

    I’ve never known cops to back off slugging black thugs sometimes non thug blacks.

    The only group that I know that walks from majority of their crimes are Jew

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  126. Corvinus says:
    @lavoisier
    This fight is not a white versus other fight. This is a deplorable white versus liberal white fight.

    Those who want to preserve any semblance of an American Republic have to realize the greatest enemy we face is not the Jewish pied pipers or their storm troopers of disenfranchised NAM, it is the brain dead white liberal ethnomasochists who fully support the destruction of the white race and Western civilization.

    White liberals are the enemy, and their ideas have to be defeated if Western Civilization has any hope at all to survive.

    Either Western Civilization is valuable or it is not.

    White liberals believe and act as if Western Civilization and the white men who created it are evil.

    They should be recognized as not only fools, but as enemies.

    “This fight is not a white versus other fight. This is a deplorable white versus liberal white fight.”

    Yes, “good whites” versus “bad whites”. So how do young whites from Generation Z fit into this narrative, considering that they lean liberal to social issues and conservative to economic matters? How would you label this group?

    “Those who want to preserve any semblance of an American Republic have to realize the greatest enemy we face is not the Jewish pied pipers or their storm troopers of disenfranchised NAM, it is the brain dead white liberal ethnomasochists who fully support the destruction of the white race and Western civilization.”

    Perfect! Try out this phrase with 100 white Gen Z’ers. Field report how they react.

    “White liberals are the enemy, and their ideas have to be defeated if Western Civilization has any hope at all to survive.”

    So how do you personally deal with such “enemies”? And why should any white person be concerned as much as you are about “Western Civilization”?

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    Because it is their civilization.
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  127. SMK says: • Website
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    "Also, aligning yourself with Nazis, neo-Nazis, and the KKK legitimates criticism of you in the eyes of probably at least 99% of the U.S. population."

    I doubt it is anywhere near 99%. You should have used majority instead. Not that there is really anything wrong with people choosing to be Nazis, neo-Nazis, or the KKK. Hey, if someone performs Female Genital Mutilation as a matter of religion and a certain percentage of America accepts this, how can being a Nazi or Klansmen be anymore ridiculous? Its a chose, isn't it? Some people are Mormons or Jehovah's Witnesses and they have some foolish beliefs as well. The Demonic Rats align with anti-fa, BLM, Muslims, illegal immigrants, and the LGBTUVWTF minorities. Does that legitimize criticism of them? For some people, yes. For the Demonic Rats, not in the least.

    The problem with your argument is that the left controls almost everything, the universities, the schools, the media (news, talk shows, TV shows, movies), the perception of reality which is often a distortion and inversion of objective reality, most perniciously and systemically in respect to race and nonwhite immigration. They “spin” the memes and control the narrative and hold the megaphone. They choose what is news and what is not news. They decide who and what is good and who and what is evil, who is respected, praised, feted, lionized, and who is demonized, vilified, caricatured, ridiculed.

    Ergo, the left-liberal establishment and Democratic party are not vilified and demonized for supporting or refusing to criticize and denounce “antifa” and BLM fanatics and terrorists or lying hatemongers and demagogues like Al Sharpton, while all race-realists and white advocates and immigration restrictionists, intelligent and rational and honest men like Jared Taylor and Peter Brimelow and John Derbyshire, are demonized and vilified as “racists” and “Nazis” and “white supremacists” and conflated with extremists who hold signs with swastikas and wave confederate flags and such at Charlottesville.

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    They choose what is news and what is not news. They decide who and what is good and who and what is evil, who is respected, praised, feted, lionized, and who is demonized, vilified, caricatured, ridiculed.
     
    Something to think about is that they demonized, vilified, caricatured and ridiculed Trump the whole way through the election process but he still won.

    No doubt their negative propaganda had an effect, so if the left (really the Zionist-Globalist-SJW alliance) had by some miracle given a level electoral playing field to the two candidates, then Trump would have had a much bigger victory.

    The fact is that he did win, showing that propaganda doesn't work the way it used to, and that there are enough conversations going on about the real state of the US to outweigh the MSM message - hence the hysterical fury about Trump's victory. "America First" is a direct challenge to Zionist colonial rule and shows that they are in trouble.

    The risk from the Zio-Glob point of view is that their camp is full of Gentile opportunists and collaborators (their colonial administration) who will only stay on board while they see an advantage and feel safe (think Congressmen). If the US continues to polarize and Trump's victory is in fact a harbinger of growing "native" political power then the real risk is that their collaborationist rats start to leave the sinking ship.

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  128. MEFOBILLS says:
    @Wally
    Where was the outrage when the Marxists were burning UC Berkeley?

    Where is the outrage at the strict Israeli immigration laws which specify JEWS ONLY, while they demand massive 3rd world immigration into the US & Europe?

    Where is the outrage for the massive black on white murder & violence?

    Why aren't the ADL & SPLC correctly called Jewish supremacists?

    Why aren't Black Lives Matter & the NAACP correctly called 'black supremacists'?

    Why isn't 'La Raza' called 'brown supremacist'?

    Why are only white gentiles denied the right to form support groups?

    <b>Why are only white gentiles denied the right to form support groups?

    Our ((friends)) control media, and hence societal programming. Our friends have bought their way into the media by using in-group methods, while funding it with usury from private banking. Other rent schemes also contribute to the their funding mechanisms.

    A microcosm of this desire to buy and control the media, also happened to Russia during the Yeltsin years. Since then, some Russian media ((oligarchs)) have been removed from power. The buying of Russia was a similar mechanism to what happened in U.S., where bank “credit” was created from nothing, to then buy the country.

    An attempt to purchase Germany during and after Weimar hyperinflation is yet another example in history. The same finance mechanisms were used then as well. German people woke up one day to find much of their country in the hands of a foreign element.

    Allowing “international bank credit” to be funding source for Western world, is the West committing suicide. International bank credit are private for profit corporations, which have been given the power to create money by extending loans. This power was inveigled through hook and crook, by lying and scheming e.g Federal Reserve Act, Bank of England, etc.

    http://www.sovereignmoney.eu

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  129. Rurik says:
    @Stan d Mute

    it’s high time that Atlas shrugged
     
    My friend, Atlas is already shrugging..

    Look at the suicide rate for white males in middle age. Look at the overall mortality rate for that same cohort. We are shrugging, but in the only way we can, by checking out. If you go postal, your family will suffer. If you quit working, your family will suffer. But if you just check out, your family gets your Social Security benefits and if you managed to check out "accidentally" they also get your life insurance payout. And yes, I have indeed given this subject far too much thought as I've contemplated the loss of a good number of healthy friends as well as the future for myself and my family.

    If and when the bogus American fiat currency collapses, we may see Atlas shrug in a different manner, but for now this sadly is the best we can muster.

    Atlas is already shrugging..

    there’s a better way: migration

    if you can’t leave for S. America (actually far, far more accommodating than ((N. America)) for white folks, then at least head to some place like N. Dakota or Idaho or even Nebraska is better than the alternative you speak of.

    we get too bogged down by the ubiquitous dystopia of the Matrix- of cultural and spiritual sewage shat in our faces 24/7 we see on ((TV and the media)), and forget the sublime truths, of the simple joys of family and friends and bird song and a smiling dog. But you have to find a friendly place, and the cities and urban areas are not that. And they’re going to get a whole lot worse before they ever get better, believe me.

    it’s tough to pack up and get out, but our ancestors have been doing it for centuries- until it’s time to fight, and it’s waaayyy to soon for that, IMHO.

    just leave the shithole they’ve made of your community, and head out and find a Galt’s Gulch, or build one. It’ll be tough at first, but we need all the people of good will and patriotic spirit that we have, if not for us, then certainly for our progeny.

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    if you can’t leave for S. America (actually far, far more accommodating than ((N. America)) for white folks, then at least head to some place like N. Dakota or Idaho or even Nebraska is better than the alternative you speak of.
     
    In all my travels, the best midsize city I found was Spokane. Salt Lake/Provo would come next but for the truly bizarre cult based there. Too much of a Stepford Wives vibe and they're too friendly now with the diversities. If their leaders say diversities are good they all follow in lockstep like lemmings off a cliff. There are many great small towns left and they're everywhere, but if you can't telecommute, you have to find contentment working at the local feed store. And of course eventually they'll all get their own Somali resettlement so it's just a matter of time.

    I've been advocating an exodus to S America for nearly two decades, but it's too late for me. Going off grid in the Great White North (i.e. Becoming a yooper) is possible perhaps, but never easy. So I sit in a place surrounded by white liberals who turn my stomach knowing that they'll all be eaten first.
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  130. @Ron Unz
    There have been quite a few comment-threads on the Charlottesville Riot, and I think many of the commenters are being too hard on those "antifas" and their allies in government and the police...

    Basically, most people these days, certainly including most Americans, just worship the TeeVee. The TeeVee is their Divine Ruler, who instructs them as to Good and Evil...

    So if all the TeeVee people, even including lots of the FoxNews and NR types, tell them that over and over again that the Alt-Right represents Pure Evil, then that's what it must be. And naturally lots of good-thinking true-blue American patriots feel they have to do their duty and fight against Pure Evil, in some cases, literally with baseball bats or clubs.

    When the G-d of the Old Testament instructed His worshipers to do all sorts of harsh things to Evildoers, surely they were regarded as heroes for following His commands. And that's just the same with the local politicians, the police, and the antifa rioters.

    With the growth of the Internet, the Almighty Power of the TeeVee is draining away, but it can still command a good riot here and there...

    The ancient Israelites may have been commanded to genocide the Amalekites, but God never commanded them to throw shit and bags of urine while cowardly hiding their faces behind black masks in the midst of a mob.

    If you’re looking for a Biblical precedent, look at the mobs who crucified Christ and stoned St. Stephen.

    Antifa tactics are disgusting, cowardly, cruel, dishonest and altogether degrading to human dignity.

    All the most vile non-lethal tactics of the 20th century left are employed by Antifa, without any of the plausibly humanitarian aspects of the 20th century left, such as their commitment to economic equality.

    Antifa tactics seem to be a combination of:

    Trotsky’s “permanent revolution” – they will never be satisfied.

    Rakosi’s “salami tactics” – they isolate and cut off one slice at a time until nothing is left

    Mao’s “struggle sessions” – they revel in the humiliation of individuals

    Herbert Marcuse’s “polymorphous perversity” and Susan Sontag’s “transgressivism” – the degrading and the disgusting are embraced precisely because they are degrading and disgusting.

    Saul Alinsky’s “rules for radicals” – they isolate and target individuals, because individuals “hurt easier”, and “a good tactic is one your people enjoy”, and mobs have always enjoyed torturing the helpless.

    Markus Wolf’s “Zersetzung” – psychological torture as a form of social control

    Joe Slovo’s “no middle way” – justice and mercy are less important than achieving revolutionary goals.

    The Antifa foot soldiers may be less culpable than the powerful who egg them on, such as the SPLC, ADL, MSM, the political establishment, and their billionaire owners, but lets not pretend that their tactics aren’t pure evil.

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    "Antifa tactics are disgusting, cowardly, cruel, dishonest and altogether degrading to human dignity."

    Corrected for accuracy --> The radical left (antifa) and the radical right (white nationalist groups**) are disgusting, cowardly, cruel, dishonest, and altogether degrading to human dignity.

    **Referring to KKK, Neo-Nazis, and White Supremacists

    I have no problems if white nationalist groups want to organize and preach how white people ought to preserve and protect their culture. But with freedom of speech and assembly come consequences, right or wrong, fair or unfair. And in this day and age of social media, when a person becomes part of ANY movement, be prepared for a violent confrontation and/or to be doxxed, right or wrong, fair or unfair, especially if white people label other white people as being "anti-white" or "race traitors".
    , @HBM
    The Hebrew scriptures are retrohistorical fictions, largely composed by Hellenized Jews in Alexandria, using the exploits of Alexander and the Chronicles of Thutmose as models. Biblical Minimalist scholars of the Copenhagen School have understood this for thirty years.

    Our Jewish media is producing the exact same sort of revisionist ethno-propaganda as those Alexandrine Jews did. Narrative revision and hyperbole and slander and perpetual innocence of the perpetrators is in their blood. All Jewish discourse is propaganda, and retrohistorical revision is, arguably, their master trope.

    The Antifa defectives are golems-- as are the cartoon "Nazis".

    The Alt-Right has always been a nexus, but the one thing that has defined it is that it is anti-Neocon. This makes it "anti-Semitic" by default-- and, of course, no fault of the Jews.
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  131. Jamal says:

    I used to attend the anti-globilization rallies around the turn of the century. The lying media did the same thing with headlines about those protests.

    There would be tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of people there, all marching peacefully and holding a non-violent rally. Often, the police would attack these people, and the fake-media headlines would scream about the ‘Violent Protest’. Or, a small group of the ‘black-bloc’ types (and many of the other protesters felt like these people were agent-provacateurs) would break a window on a Starbucks, and then the police would attack, and again the fake-media headlines would scream about the “Violent Protests”. Of course, it was not the protesters who were being violent.

    Just goes to show, the fake-media is very pro-banker, very pro-establishment and repeats the same tactics to attack and smear anyone who’s organizing for something different.

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  132. “Hire men whose job it is to police the protestors to make sure any trouble makers are removed on the spot.”

    I grew up in Atlanta, and learned to ‘protest’ with the survivors of the Martin Luther King movement. In reading the comments, it seems that Dr. King faced some of the same problems. He wanted to hold a peaceful march and rally to put out a message that the media of the day did not want to cover. But he knew he’d be met by violent people who wanted to incite trouble and make the story about ‘violence’ at the march and not about the point that Dr. King’s movement was trying to make that day.

    So, his marches did exactly what I’ve quoted from a previous post. They used volunteers to act as marshalls, and they walked along the sides of the march between the marchers and the people on the sides of the street who wanted to incite trouble. And of course, Dr. King could not rely on local police to keep order during the march. Thus, he put people his movement trusted as ‘marshalls’ to keep the marchers seperate and to quiet down anyone in the march who started to get out of control.

    Dr. King’s movement also held ‘training’ classes before the march. Anyone who wanted to march on Saturday was strongly encouraged to attend a Friday night non-violence class, and there would be things like role-playing of how to stay calm when confronted by angry hecklers. Also, Dr. King’s marches also visibly excluded the more violent groups of the day. You didn’t see Black Panthers marching along as a visible group within Dr. King’s march.

    All of the above created the powerful scenes of calm and restrained people who were marching for a cause, and being heckled and attacked by people on the sides of the road, but not responding and just marching and staying peaceful. Can still find those videos today, if you want to see how different Antifa is from Dr. King’s marchers.

    If you want to have a march for a cause, that’s a powerful statement to make in a video. Doesn’t stop the media from lying about you and your cause, but it does draw a plain, visual difference between people who feel they are marching for a cause, and the Antifa types who are being violent and abusive in trying to shut down the march.

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    After reading on various sites about Kessler who was a Occupy Wall Street and Obama supporter right until the election. I smell a rat.

    People don't flip like that and come out of nowhere all of sudden become a alt-right leader.

    It's very common in political circles to have a member go undercover to sabotage the opposition. Kessler is one of them.

    Here's a guy who is a PR expert. And what does he do? He goes and recruits a bunch of Neo-Nazis and so-called KKK types in full regalia and David Duke to march with his gang of suckers. He knows full well the media will demonize him, Trump and the alt-right movement and is bait for anti-fa.

    Unless he's lacking a brain, he also knows protesting in a city with a liberal along with a liberal governor is the sort of state Anti-Fa would be operating in.

    So what does he do when the alt-right types find the police standing down instead of keeping the groups separated? He keeps going, instead of quitting and leaving ASAP. He knows anti-fa will attack his group. Which is more media meat for MSM.

    I have no doubt this whole mess was a set up. It reeks of it. The Left has been trying for the last two years to demonize Trump supporters and now they have it on a platter. A shadowy character ropes in a bunch of fools to march into the Lion's den.
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  133. ia says:
    @Michael Kenny
    I don’t think it matters who “got it right”. America is not merely in the post-truth age, it is in the post-morality age. There’s no attempt on any side to seek objective right or wrong. It’s quite simply “if it was done by my pals, it’s right; if it was done to my pals, it’s wrong”. Thus, what matters is perception, not right or wrong, and on that score, the far right are coming out of this as losers. In the beginning were the conservatives. They are the core of the American right. The far right, alt-right or whatever are marginal extremists. Conservatives like law and order. They associate people running riot with everything they oppose. Rioting just isn’t the “American way” in conservative eyes. Also, outside of the south, they are not particular admirers of the Confederacy. What happened in Charlottesville will thus scare off conservatives. Getting into a fight over a Confederate monument was a disastrous political blunder for the far right and highlights their amateurism and lack of political savvy. What sticks in people’s minds is that car crashing into the crowd and someone being killed. It was a right-winger who did that and even if he is never convicted of any offence, that’s what people will remember. The far right have shot themselves in the foot. It remains to be seen how extensive, and how permanent, the damage is.

    What sticks in people’s minds is that car crashing into the crowd and someone being killed

    What stuck in my mind was the nature of the violent, feral, mongrelized mob which was allowed to create mayhem in the streets by the Democrat establishment.

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  134. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "Surely we can find whites who are more appropriate symbols of white achievement, and are thus less likely to be seen as wantonly provocative to blacks etc."

    In 2017, in this climate, there's none. It should've been more about preserving Southern heritage. Robert E. Lee was greatly respected in his time. Nothing to apologize for marching for his statue. See, if BLM/Antifa can go after him, 150YEARS after the fact, then no one's safe. Next it'll be destroying Abraham Lincoln. And then George Washington, cause both are white and both owned slaves. No white historical person is safe from their ideology of bringing whitey down.

    But think about this: IF they get their way, and eliminate all Southern monuments, are you really gullible to think that "Ok, no more bad historical whiteys, everyone can just get along now". That is naive.

    After that, BLM/AntiFa will boldly go after the Founding Fathers (cause they were white, some were slave owners, some were Christian, etc), so have to bring them down. This is similar to the USSR, where every single symbol of Tsarist Russia was destroyed, brought down, obliterated to make way for the new Revolution and its heroes. They will always find something, anything, to agitate about if no one stops them.

    And it will never, ever end until they win. Period.

    It should’ve been more about preserving Southern heritage. Robert E. Lee was greatly respected in his time. Nothing to apologize for marching for his statue.

    see, now this is something I can get behind. instead we got retarded KKK and Nazis showing up. you are the company you choose to keep. there is no if or buts.

    whomever was the organizer royally fucked over the alt right this time around.

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  135. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Ron Unz
    There have been quite a few comment-threads on the Charlottesville Riot, and I think many of the commenters are being too hard on those "antifas" and their allies in government and the police...

    Basically, most people these days, certainly including most Americans, just worship the TeeVee. The TeeVee is their Divine Ruler, who instructs them as to Good and Evil...

    So if all the TeeVee people, even including lots of the FoxNews and NR types, tell them that over and over again that the Alt-Right represents Pure Evil, then that's what it must be. And naturally lots of good-thinking true-blue American patriots feel they have to do their duty and fight against Pure Evil, in some cases, literally with baseball bats or clubs.

    When the G-d of the Old Testament instructed His worshipers to do all sorts of harsh things to Evildoers, surely they were regarded as heroes for following His commands. And that's just the same with the local politicians, the police, and the antifa rioters.

    With the growth of the Internet, the Almighty Power of the TeeVee is draining away, but it can still command a good riot here and there...

    There’s a 1947 US government training film about resisting fascism that’s gone viral recently, but one thing that’s striking about it is how the Americans in the clip don’t react violently to the fascist speaker.

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    It's a training film demonstrating ideally how Americans should react. In reality, here is what happens when people protest.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWvCCxOUsM8

    Regarding Trump politics, what does he even stand for?
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  136. Alt Right understands that there are things of priceless value, something you can’t measure in terms of dollars and cents. In contrast, globalists only talk of growth and ‘inclusive diversity’, a meaningless and valueless dime-a-dozen gimmick.

    If Zionists were given a choice between two options:

    1. Jewish population of Israel remains constant and economy remains constant

    2. Jewish population of Israel is reduced to 20% but economy doubles

    Which option would Zionists go for?

    If Zionists go globalist, they will go for option #2 since it means a richer nation with more ‘growth’. If so, Jews will have lost their Jewish Nation. Surely, the notion of ‘Jewish Nation’ of history, culture, and ethnicity is of priceless value. Only Mammonites would sacrifice something so priceless for more shekels. Jews understand this for their own ethno-state… but Jewish globalists push this crazy Mammonite logic on everyone else. “Take in more immigrants cuz there will be economic growth.” But then, it’s worse because the kind of immigrant-colonizers that Europe takes in from Muslim World and Africa contribute NOTHING to growth and only make those nations poorer. Canada and Australia are losing their priceless assets of ethnos and territory but they at least get growth from Chinese/Hindu/Iranian immigrants.

    It’s like personal memory. If someone offers you a million dollars for your memory, would you take the money and go amnesiac? But what is the point of the money if you have lost a sense of who you are and where you came from? Money is nice, but Memory is priceless. A true nation is a collective sacred memory of a people.

    As for ‘inclusion’, it leads to exclusion if there’s too much of it. Too many Jewish immigrants in Palestine led to exclusion of Palestinians from Palestine, which became Israel. Too much inclusion of Albanian migrants into Kosovo led to exclusion of Serbs from their sacred homeland, something they’ve lost forever. And all that coercive inclusion of Han Chinese into Tibet and Xianjiang is really changing the culture and flavor of those regions.

    Inclusion of too many blacks(stronger and tougher) led to exclusion of whites who ran from cities like Detroit out of fear.
    And including blacks in your school will lead to exclusion of whites in sports teams as blacks are better. And then, white wombs will also exclude white seed in favor of black seed due to Jungle Fever.

    Also, ‘diversity’ is not precious. It is so dime-a-dozen in Latin America, North Africa, India, Central Asia, America, and now even in Europe. Just look at Sweden and Minnesota. What good has it done? What is so precious about it?

    People don’t go to the West for diversity. They just go for White Gold. If the West were to become like North Africa and turn totally diverse and defunct, people would no longer want to go there.
    Even in the US, non-whites seek out White Gold.
    Diversity flees diversity or non-whiteness for white gold.

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    I am gonna go off on a tangent here:

    'And all that coercive inclusion of Han Chinese into Tibet and Xianjiang is really changing the culture and flavor of those regions'

    A great war is right around the corner... It'll commence shortly between China and India in the high Himalayas but will spread like wildfire involving almost all major powers. The US won't be immune as it'll take side in the conflict (do you wanna guess?) and the end result will be the greatest destruction experienced by the mankind. Stay tuned!
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  137. @Maus
    OK, I'll bite. What's the deal with Catholics and Trump? I want to see if I recognize myself in your schema.

    Moved halfway across the country in the ’90s, so that’s where I’m getting my sample:

    Ultra-trad: Enthusiastically voted for obscure candidates like the American Solidarity Party that nobody ever heard of and that hadn’t a snowball’s chance in Purgatory of winning.
    Trad: Unenthusiastically voted for Trump, skeptical of his pro-life claims, but figuring anything was better than Hillary, who seemed ready to extend abortion rights to the neo-natology ward.
    Moderate: Many voted for third-party candidates like the Libertarian guy, and didn’t care if he won or not as long as the election was finally over.
    Guitar-Mass Catholics: Quietly voted for Hillary, and felt mildly guilty about it. Or quietly voted for Trump, and felt mildly guilty about it. Both lied to their friends.
    Lapsed Catholics, idealist: Bernie.
    Lapsed Catholics, cynical: Wake and bake, can’t remember if they made it to the polls or not.

    As for New Yorkers, Hillary won her Senate seat because, while Lawn Guylanders hated her on general principal, they had specific reasons for hating Lazio. By the time she ran against Trump, however, they had specific reasons to hate her too, but of course, they also had specific reasons to hate Trump. The ones I stayed in touch with mostly voted Trump, but I have weird friends.

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    Thanks for responding. I think you nailed it. I'm a trad and was a reluctant, anyone-but-Her Trump voter. Pretty disappointed with everything but the Gorsuch appointment so far. My sister is a classic Kumbiyah, love the Jesuits on social justice type. I cancelled out her Hillary vote. Only point of disagreement is that the GenX lapsi nephews and nieces were all Sandernistas. Don't know what they ultimately did, but I am guessing it wasn't Trump.
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  138. @jilles dykstra
    There is an anti white trend in this world, not just by coloured people, but also by white people themselves.
    A lot of fuss is made about slavery, hardly anybody seems to know that in the USA liberated slaves had, as industrial workers, after the Civil War, not a better life.
    Engels around 1845 wrote his book about the appalling conditions of industrial workers in Great Britain.

    Hardly any former colonial state is better off than it was in colonial times.
    Rhodesia was a prosperous country, self rule made it into Zimbabwe, a country not much better to live in than N Korea.
    South Africa no longer is under white rule, it seems to follow the Zimbabwe example, with slogans as 'a bullet for a Boer'.

    After WWII in many areas Germans were expelled, Sudetenland, Königsberg, what became Kalingrad.
    Industries in Sudetenland collapsed without Germans, the great city of Königsberg became the slum Kalingrad.

    White man is not without sins, but I expect that this planet, without white man, will not be a better place to live in.

    But indeed stupidities do happen.
    I always forget if the Hutu's murdered the Tutsi's, or the other way round.
    In any case, the group that ruled was exterminated, as far as I know average income did not increase.

    You say;

    ‘White man is not without sins, but I expect that this planet, without white man, will not be a better place to live in.’

    I say:

    Of course, we won’t know that for sure until the last one of you has departed the earth. I am pretty sure the world would be just fine!

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  139. @Rosamond Vincy
    Either Jews are brilliant conspirators, or they are self-destructive morons who aren't paying attention to the fact that Muslims targeted them as well as Christians in San Bernardino, Paris, etc.
    My money is on the second, at least for those Social Justice types who think if they sing Kumbaya everybody will love them back, and those are mostly lapsed Jews, practicing Wiccan/Neopagan blah-bah just like all the lapsed Christians who went Hari Krishna back in the day.
    As for practicing Jews, at least in NYC where I lived for over a decade, they seem to fall mostly into three categories:
    1. Ultra-Orthos, who openly hate Arabs and couldn't care less if they're perceived as intolerant;
    2. the really rich ones, who join Cancer and Heart committees, contribute to anything that will get them in WWD, and basically long to be Social Register WASPS when they grow up;
    3. middle-class folks on Lawn Guyland, who just want their kids to get professional degrees and marry their middle-class counterparts.
    The last two are usually only moderately religious. They contribute to Israel with about as much thought as parochial school kids contribute to saving Pagan Babies; it's just something everybody does.
    The one arguable Brilliant Conspirator, George Soros, is by no means universally adored: Ultra-Orthos detest him for his history, Rich WASP wanna-be's recognize him as a vulgar sociopath, and cringe from his vulgarity as much as if not more than his sociopathy. As for the middle-class folks, most of them don't even know who he is.
    (If you think this is complicated, ask me about Catholics and Trump.)

    You crossed the red line with Hare Krishna, so now you’re going to get it:

    Govinda Jaya Jaya, Gopala Jaya Jaya…

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    At our local university, it was the custom among academics from India to go up to Hare Krishners and address them in Sanskrit. You can imagine the results.
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  140. @Priss Factor
    Not true. Blacks get their share of police beat downs, but usually only when the police are confident in their numerical superiority, because the blacks fight back.

    Only because they riot and go crazy.

    Alt Right don't act like that. They still got muscled by cops who left Antifanissary alone.

    Non sequitur…

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  141. Corvinus says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    There's a 1947 US government training film about resisting fascism that's gone viral recently, but one thing that's striking about it is how the Americans in the clip don't react violently to the fascist speaker.
    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/897218837946544130

    It’s a training film demonstrating ideally how Americans should react. In reality, here is what happens when people protest.

    Regarding Trump politics, what does he even stand for?

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  142. annamaria says:
    @Hunsdon
    In what must be a sign of the end times, I agree with Quartermaster.

    You made me smile

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  143. Talha says:
    @jilles dykstra
    There is an anti white trend in this world, not just by coloured people, but also by white people themselves.
    A lot of fuss is made about slavery, hardly anybody seems to know that in the USA liberated slaves had, as industrial workers, after the Civil War, not a better life.
    Engels around 1845 wrote his book about the appalling conditions of industrial workers in Great Britain.

    Hardly any former colonial state is better off than it was in colonial times.
    Rhodesia was a prosperous country, self rule made it into Zimbabwe, a country not much better to live in than N Korea.
    South Africa no longer is under white rule, it seems to follow the Zimbabwe example, with slogans as 'a bullet for a Boer'.

    After WWII in many areas Germans were expelled, Sudetenland, Königsberg, what became Kalingrad.
    Industries in Sudetenland collapsed without Germans, the great city of Königsberg became the slum Kalingrad.

    White man is not without sins, but I expect that this planet, without white man, will not be a better place to live in.

    But indeed stupidities do happen.
    I always forget if the Hutu's murdered the Tutsi's, or the other way round.
    In any case, the group that ruled was exterminated, as far as I know average income did not increase.

    White man is not without sins, but I expect that this planet, without white man, will not be a better place to live in.

    The White man isn’t going anywhere – he is the creation of the Almighty just as much as the Black or Brown man and is as much a part of this planet as any other being. He should always hold a good opinion of his Creator – despair is the lot of the forsaken.

    Peace.

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    Noticed, you left out the yellow man. what? No love for China... thought you were best of friends. Paki Chini Baijan, Paki Chini Baijan... no?
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  144. @Priss Factor
    Alt Right understands that there are things of priceless value, something you can't measure in terms of dollars and cents. In contrast, globalists only talk of growth and 'inclusive diversity', a meaningless and valueless dime-a-dozen gimmick.

    If Zionists were given a choice between two options:

    1. Jewish population of Israel remains constant and economy remains constant

    2. Jewish population of Israel is reduced to 20% but economy doubles

    Which option would Zionists go for?

    If Zionists go globalist, they will go for option #2 since it means a richer nation with more 'growth'. If so, Jews will have lost their Jewish Nation. Surely, the notion of 'Jewish Nation' of history, culture, and ethnicity is of priceless value. Only Mammonites would sacrifice something so priceless for more shekels. Jews understand this for their own ethno-state... but Jewish globalists push this crazy Mammonite logic on everyone else. "Take in more immigrants cuz there will be economic growth." But then, it's worse because the kind of immigrant-colonizers that Europe takes in from Muslim World and Africa contribute NOTHING to growth and only make those nations poorer. Canada and Australia are losing their priceless assets of ethnos and territory but they at least get growth from Chinese/Hindu/Iranian immigrants.

    It's like personal memory. If someone offers you a million dollars for your memory, would you take the money and go amnesiac? But what is the point of the money if you have lost a sense of who you are and where you came from? Money is nice, but Memory is priceless. A true nation is a collective sacred memory of a people.

    As for 'inclusion', it leads to exclusion if there's too much of it. Too many Jewish immigrants in Palestine led to exclusion of Palestinians from Palestine, which became Israel. Too much inclusion of Albanian migrants into Kosovo led to exclusion of Serbs from their sacred homeland, something they've lost forever. And all that coercive inclusion of Han Chinese into Tibet and Xianjiang is really changing the culture and flavor of those regions.

    Inclusion of too many blacks(stronger and tougher) led to exclusion of whites who ran from cities like Detroit out of fear.
    And including blacks in your school will lead to exclusion of whites in sports teams as blacks are better. And then, white wombs will also exclude white seed in favor of black seed due to Jungle Fever.

    Also, 'diversity' is not precious. It is so dime-a-dozen in Latin America, North Africa, India, Central Asia, America, and now even in Europe. Just look at Sweden and Minnesota. What good has it done? What is so precious about it?

    People don't go to the West for diversity. They just go for White Gold. If the West were to become like North Africa and turn totally diverse and defunct, people would no longer want to go there.
    Even in the US, non-whites seek out White Gold.
    Diversity flees diversity or non-whiteness for white gold.

    I am gonna go off on a tangent here:

    ‘And all that coercive inclusion of Han Chinese into Tibet and Xianjiang is really changing the culture and flavor of those regions’

    A great war is right around the corner… It’ll commence shortly between China and India in the high Himalayas but will spread like wildfire involving almost all major powers. The US won’t be immune as it’ll take side in the conflict (do you wanna guess?) and the end result will be the greatest destruction experienced by the mankind. Stay tuned!

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    the end result will be the greatest destruction experienced by the mankind. Stay tuned!

    Well, you know something I don't. But I'll stay tuned.

    But I must say... the world blowing up over Himalayas with nothing but mountain and snow sounds a bit silly.
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  145. Corvinus says:
    @John Gruskos
    The ancient Israelites may have been commanded to genocide the Amalekites, but God never commanded them to throw shit and bags of urine while cowardly hiding their faces behind black masks in the midst of a mob.

    If you're looking for a Biblical precedent, look at the mobs who crucified Christ and stoned St. Stephen.

    Antifa tactics are disgusting, cowardly, cruel, dishonest and altogether degrading to human dignity.

    All the most vile non-lethal tactics of the 20th century left are employed by Antifa, without any of the plausibly humanitarian aspects of the 20th century left, such as their commitment to economic equality.

    Antifa tactics seem to be a combination of:

    Trotsky's "permanent revolution" - they will never be satisfied.

    Rakosi's "salami tactics" - they isolate and cut off one slice at a time until nothing is left

    Mao's "struggle sessions" - they revel in the humiliation of individuals

    Herbert Marcuse's "polymorphous perversity" and Susan Sontag's "transgressivism" - the degrading and the disgusting are embraced precisely because they are degrading and disgusting.

    Saul Alinsky's "rules for radicals" - they isolate and target individuals, because individuals "hurt easier", and "a good tactic is one your people enjoy", and mobs have always enjoyed torturing the helpless.

    Markus Wolf's "Zersetzung" - psychological torture as a form of social control

    Joe Slovo's "no middle way" - justice and mercy are less important than achieving revolutionary goals.

    The Antifa foot soldiers may be less culpable than the powerful who egg them on, such as the SPLC, ADL, MSM, the political establishment, and their billionaire owners, but lets not pretend that their tactics aren't pure evil.

    “Antifa tactics are disgusting, cowardly, cruel, dishonest and altogether degrading to human dignity.”

    Corrected for accuracy –> The radical left (antifa) and the radical right (white nationalist groups**) are disgusting, cowardly, cruel, dishonest, and altogether degrading to human dignity.

    **Referring to KKK, Neo-Nazis, and White Supremacists

    I have no problems if white nationalist groups want to organize and preach how white people ought to preserve and protect their culture. But with freedom of speech and assembly come consequences, right or wrong, fair or unfair. And in this day and age of social media, when a person becomes part of ANY movement, be prepared for a violent confrontation and/or to be doxxed, right or wrong, fair or unfair, especially if white people label other white people as being “anti-white” or “race traitors”.

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    I have no problems if white nationalist groups want to organize and preach how white people ought to preserve and protect their culture. But with freedom of speech and assembly come consequences, right or wrong, fair or unfair. And in this day and age of social media, when a person becomes part of ANY movement, be prepared for a violent confrontation and/or to be doxxed, right or wrong, fair or unfair, especially if white people label other white people as being “anti-white” or “race traitors”.
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    It should be the primary responsibility for the government to such prevent violent confrontation.
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  146. Wonder how that prohibition on criticizing Jews at AmRen is working out for Taylor?

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  147. @Rurik

    Atlas is already shrugging..
     
    there's a better way: migration

    if you can't leave for S. America (actually far, far more accommodating than ((N. America)) for white folks, then at least head to some place like N. Dakota or Idaho or even Nebraska is better than the alternative you speak of.

    we get too bogged down by the ubiquitous dystopia of the Matrix- of cultural and spiritual sewage shat in our faces 24/7 we see on ((TV and the media)), and forget the sublime truths, of the simple joys of family and friends and bird song and a smiling dog. But you have to find a friendly place, and the cities and urban areas are not that. And they're going to get a whole lot worse before they ever get better, believe me.

    it's tough to pack up and get out, but our ancestors have been doing it for centuries- until it's time to fight, and it's waaayyy to soon for that, IMHO.

    just leave the shithole they've made of your community, and head out and find a Galt's Gulch, or build one. It'll be tough at first, but we need all the people of good will and patriotic spirit that we have, if not for us, then certainly for our progeny.

    if you can’t leave for S. America (actually far, far more accommodating than ((N. America)) for white folks, then at least head to some place like N. Dakota or Idaho or even Nebraska is better than the alternative you speak of.

    In all my travels, the best midsize city I found was Spokane. Salt Lake/Provo would come next but for the truly bizarre cult based there. Too much of a Stepford Wives vibe and they’re too friendly now with the diversities. If their leaders say diversities are good they all follow in lockstep like lemmings off a cliff. There are many great small towns left and they’re everywhere, but if you can’t telecommute, you have to find contentment working at the local feed store. And of course eventually they’ll all get their own Somali resettlement so it’s just a matter of time.

    I’ve been advocating an exodus to S America for nearly two decades, but it’s too late for me. Going off grid in the Great White North (i.e. Becoming a yooper) is possible perhaps, but never easy. So I sit in a place surrounded by white liberals who turn my stomach knowing that they’ll all be eaten first.

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    "Indeed. Instead of the silly costumes and adornments, each and every one should have carried a photo of a white victim of negro crime, We lose the propaganda war every day and so far the number of alt-right folks who get that is vanishingly small."

    Oh, absolutely. The imbeciles who thought a march in that place would end well are as dumb as the proverbial sack of hammers.

    The idea of carrying photos of victims of black on white crime would never occur to them.
    , @Rurik

    So I sit in a place surrounded by white liberals who turn my stomach knowing that they’ll all be eaten first.
     
    reminds me of Boulder, CO

    which is actually a great place, because like so many bastions of liberalism, the only reason they still are is because they haven't lived with diversity up close and personal... yet.

    I watched them tear down some confederate statue last night on the TV, and realized that it was an orchestrated event, at a public facility, during the middle of the daylight, and yet there wasn't so much a security guard to protest.

    and this is the thing...

    the people vandalizing the property were all on video. I'm pretty sure such acts are still putatively illegal, but where is the news of arrests?!

    if a white guy knocked over the MLK statue, or scrawled graffiti on the Holocaust museum, and put his face all over the Internet doing it, is there a chance that he might be charged with something?

    and yet I haven't heard one peep from anywhere asking if these vandals will be so much as given a ticket for littering

    if this is the new paradigm, where -putatively human- criminals

    http://ww1.hdnux.com/photos/64/35/21/13751392/5/920x920.jpg

    are given full reign by the police and authorities to destroy the cultural icons of America's traditions and heritage, with full impunity, then we're heading into a very dangerous time indeed.

    The deepstate Jews and assorted scumfucks must feel like it's now or never. Perhaps they're afraid of their 9/11 narrative falling apart, or are sensing that there's a tipping point being reached with the Internet exposing too many of their crimes to keep a lid on it anymore, that they've decided to create an actual civil war here in the States.

    IDK

    but if none of those vandals are so much as even criticized, let alone arrested and shown doing a perp walk, then whoo-boy are we headed into dangerous times

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  148. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Corvinus
    "This fight is not a white versus other fight. This is a deplorable white versus liberal white fight."

    Yes, "good whites" versus "bad whites". So how do young whites from Generation Z fit into this narrative, considering that they lean liberal to social issues and conservative to economic matters? How would you label this group?

    "Those who want to preserve any semblance of an American Republic have to realize the greatest enemy we face is not the Jewish pied pipers or their storm troopers of disenfranchised NAM, it is the brain dead white liberal ethnomasochists who fully support the destruction of the white race and Western civilization."

    Perfect! Try out this phrase with 100 white Gen Z'ers. Field report how they react.

    "White liberals are the enemy, and their ideas have to be defeated if Western Civilization has any hope at all to survive."

    So how do you personally deal with such "enemies"? And why should any white person be concerned as much as you are about "Western Civilization"?

    Because it is their civilization.

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    "Because it is their civilization."

    The American civilization is one created by Americans, which includes a host people. This notion of "western civilization" or "The West" is antiquated. Why must ALL white people be compelled to "save it"?
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  149. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @anarchyst
    ...the local charlottesville craigslist had ads for "crisis actors" for the alt-right demonstration. You can bet that most (if not all) of the nazi flag-wavers and the kkk robe-adorned individuals were crisis actors paid for by the left...

    After this ‘Birddogging’ stuff during the election, paranoia may be an appropriate state of mind.

    There has been some discussion on other forums about how spanking new some of the more overtly extreme protester’s NAZI paraphernalia looked. Flags with hard fold marks, as if they just came out from their wrappers minutes before the festivities etc.

    Since there has been a push to ‘doxx’ all of the evildoers at the protest, it might be interesting to get the back story on some of these really hardcore ‘NAZIs’ I suspect there is more than meets the eye with at least some of them.

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  150. @Talha

    White man is not without sins, but I expect that this planet, without white man, will not be a better place to live in.
     
    The White man isn't going anywhere - he is the creation of the Almighty just as much as the Black or Brown man and is as much a part of this planet as any other being. He should always hold a good opinion of his Creator - despair is the lot of the forsaken.

    Peace.

    Noticed, you left out the yellow man. what? No love for China… thought you were best of friends. Paki Chini Baijan, Paki Chini Baijan… no?

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    Him too and the Red!!! ;)
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  151. Olorin says:
    @Jake
    The sacred TeeVee lying, sins b0th of omission and commission, is far from new even inn this matter of race-based revolution. TeeVee lied all through the 'Civil Rights' movement.

    And then documentarists took up those lies, expanded on them, and retconned history.

    And then the Ed Biz took up the documentaries AS history.

    And then the politicians made it illegal to question that retconned history from those documentaries.

    And then the political campaign industry made extreme polarization of politicians a distraction from the retconned history.

    There is a deep structure to all this. It is not new, as you point out, but those who have assumed centralized control over mass communications are demmed to a man if they’re going to let their power go without a fight. And make no mistake: to maintain that power they will resort to civil war. And as usual, they will exempt themselves from it either domestically or by repairing to their Doomstead Estancias in Peru or whatever.

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  152. Globalists hate ‘America First’ because it interferes with ‘Jewish Power First’.

    Jewish Globalists want America to serve Zionist-Globalist interests, not the interest of Americans.

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  153. Olorin says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    Your comparison with the way the Hebrews of the first millenium BC got their rabid right instructions with the 21st century creatures of TV viewing is striking, shrewd and suggestive. Also, by no means least, about the interference run by social media.

    It evoked images adapted from 9/11 at the WTC. The towers are moving oceam liners running reinforcing seminars in goodthink for their largely passive passengers. They sre TV. The social media then acts by way of a number of strikes by light plsnes ar high speed from different angles each imparting a sharply expressed message heard for a few seconds.

    My non fanciful point is that some social media messages will attenuate the weight of TV's years of momentum... but some may reinforce it dangerously in a flash before older generated inertia can resume its dominance.

    Consider this just a first draft proposal for a thesis titled "Prolegomena to a Study of the Dynamic Interaction of Successive Generations of Media in the 21st Centtury".

    Your comparison with the way the Hebrews of the first millenium BC got their rabid right instructions

    More like the third century BC.

    http://www.jhsonline.org/cocoon/JHS/r313.html

    The date you assume may well involve historiographic retconning.

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    It looks like an interesting link for when I have time to follow up. I can't remember a great deal of the book I read by a (Harvard ?) Professor on the history of the Old Testament - the Yahweh and El versions then the priestly contributions and those of scribes (Jeremiah comes to mind) and how it all fitted in with the (late 6th C. BC?) exile....

    I was deliberately a bit vague but certainly didn't think of God giving genocidal instructions as late as the 3rd century BC. By then surely he was almost a Hellenistic humanist and so embarrassed by His past that he allowed some very wussy stuff to get into the story of Jonah (pointed out by Steve Sailer who I believe to be a direct descendant of Jonah, sadly with no cash attached, a bit like Confucian descent....)
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  154. Corvinus says:
    @lavoisier
    Because it is their civilization.

    “Because it is their civilization.”

    The American civilization is one created by Americans, which includes a host people. This notion of “western civilization” or “The West” is antiquated. Why must ALL white people be compelled to “save it”?

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    Because their ancestors created it. They should be the ones trying to save it.
    , @Marshall Lentini

    This notion of “western civilization” or “The West” is antiquated. Why must ALL white people be compelled to “save it”?
     
    ... when it is working overtime to devour them for its own "purpose" of liberating surplus energy to prop up the illusion of growth.
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  155. @Eustace Tilley (not)
    Jared Taylor rose to prominence because of his intelligence and his unswerving commitment to the preservation of his nation and culture.

    He is nothing if not politically savvy. He has walked through the political minefield for years and intends to go on doing so. He's too smart to allow hotheads to stop his progress. Smart readers of AmRen can read between the lines. There is no need to name "the elephant in the room". He is not going to let CNN "David Duke" him.

    Then he accepts the core premises of his supposed enemies, and hence is useless.

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    He's not useless. You might call him misguided, but it can certainly be argued that if he does the 'unmentionable' (unmentionable even here!) and ends up marginalizing or silencing himself he certainly won't accomplish much that way either.

    In my opinion, it may be disappointing to those who demand ideological purity but it's certainly arguable as a practical matter. Politics is the art of the possible and if you let the other side silence you--you may enjoy having your say but no one will hear it.

    How 'useful' are you in that case?

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  156. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "Surely we can find whites who are more appropriate symbols of white achievement, and are thus less likely to be seen as wantonly provocative to blacks etc."

    In 2017, in this climate, there's none. It should've been more about preserving Southern heritage. Robert E. Lee was greatly respected in his time. Nothing to apologize for marching for his statue. See, if BLM/Antifa can go after him, 150YEARS after the fact, then no one's safe. Next it'll be destroying Abraham Lincoln. And then George Washington, cause both are white and both owned slaves. No white historical person is safe from their ideology of bringing whitey down.

    But think about this: IF they get their way, and eliminate all Southern monuments, are you really gullible to think that "Ok, no more bad historical whiteys, everyone can just get along now". That is naive.

    After that, BLM/AntiFa will boldly go after the Founding Fathers (cause they were white, some were slave owners, some were Christian, etc), so have to bring them down. This is similar to the USSR, where every single symbol of Tsarist Russia was destroyed, brought down, obliterated to make way for the new Revolution and its heroes. They will always find something, anything, to agitate about if no one stops them.

    And it will never, ever end until they win. Period.

    You have to dig a little deeper to recognize the importance of Robert E Lee.

    Reaganites ought to love him: Lee was opposed to centralized government; in his view, as expressed in correspondence w/ Lord Acton, the individual sovereignty of states, which included the right to secede, was the sole bulwark — and genius — of American Constitutional Republic. Without that sovereignty, the centralized state would agglomerate power to the extent that it could wage war at will, and no force of the people or any other entity could control it. this was understood and expressed in the 1860s by Acton, who was a counselor to Gladstone, in Britain’s government.

    The British supported the Confederacy NOT because they supported state’s rights — they didn’t, the British thought the US Constitution established an Athenian (majoritarian) democracy that would fail like all other such democracies. Acton understood the crucial importance of Federalism/the superiority of State’s Rights as a check on the power of the central government.

    Some of us met in a coffee shop Sunday and started talking about Korea; we mentioned that US killed 3 million NKoreans; dropped more bombs on Korea than all of WWII. One of the guys said, “Well, Sherman destroyed Atlanta: when people are in war, they will do anything to win. Winning is the only thing.”
    Others of us raised the Morality question: Is it moral to kill civilians, on a mass scale? Since when is that a noble war? or a just war?
    YET Sherman’s scorched earth – march to the sea is the template on which US fought Germany — utter destruction was the goal, not a happenstance; unconditional surrender was demanded.
    That reduces USA — WE, Americans — to savages, not the bastion of civilization.

    Tearing down Robert E Lee allows us to cover up that crime against humanity, just as holocaust museums and the dogmatization of the holocaust narrative allows us to omit reference to our own crimes against humanity — and so we repeat them and repeat them.

    How many of the dumbos who shrieked their way thru Charlottesville have a clue what Lee stood for? Better they should tear down Lincoln’s monument (and the holocaust freak shows) than Lee monuments.

    Jews are using blacks — again — for their own purposes.

    Spencer and the other Alt Right spokespersons need to be smarter, take a different approach.

    Years ago some uber Christian group had pizza-bible studies on community college campuses. The pizza was free and it was not that hard to tune out the saccharin jeezuss luvs u msg. A similar approach might work re the “Unite the Right” pov.
    I’d change the name of the movement to American Heritage Renaissance or something like that; I think the “white” thing is kinda stupid: our European heritage is not “white” it’s European, and each European point of origin is different from the other. I’m reading Dinesh D’Souza’s new money bomb — it’s dreadful — he doesn’t know the difference between Nazism (more accurately, National Socialism) and Fascism — the Italian context was quite different from the German situation; both were different from Russian, and from French, and from British. Some foreign policy wonks defer to George Kenan’s Telegram, and mention that he read Russian literature, but he went deeper than that: he read Russian literature IN RUSSIAN; he understood the soul of the people, and tried to tell American FP makers that they had to do the same. FPers bastardized his recommendations, just used it as a tactic to coerce Russia, not understand culturally.
    No one talks about zionism, the most important of the -isms of that era and the only one that perdured with the most deleterious impact.

    I’d have read-ins, salons and house parties to inform/educate, activate people about these topics. I’d have essay contests — pull together $20 k and offer prizes for the best High School essay/video, best college essay/video on a selected topic. I wish I could get my brain to sit still long enough to put together a set of questions about “fascism” and “Nazism” , then spend a week in a town like Charlottesville, asking people-on-the-street these questions and, I suspect, disclosing how little they know about what they are talking about.

    I am convinced beyond a doubt that “antifa” has no clue whatsoever what fascism stands for. It’s surprising they can handle three syllables.

    It’s a shame Trump condemned “Nazis” — there is no topic that is less understood — or about which people — young people especially — are more misinformed, less critically aware, than the world wars. They have a direct bearing on the wars/foreign policy US is involved in today, and they WILL destroy the USA, just as Acton and Robert E Lee warned. People need to learn about this, and to gain the courage to speak truth to PTB. Yahoo reports that people were fired when their photo showed they’d attended the Protest, and families are denouncing family members for participation: clear sign that tender nerves are being pinched. Actually a good sign.

    If you love your country, deny the holocaust!

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    As regards summary comments about "Jews", it might be helpful to regard an exchange, recorded, between then President Richard Nixon and his brilliant advisor, Professor Henry Kissinger. President Nixon asked something on this order: "Henry, what about the Jews?" Professor Kissinger responded, "First, there are Jews and there are jews..." Anti-Semitism seems based on oddly "selective seeing" and not on adequate perception.
    , @MarkinLA
    YET Sherman’s scorched earth – march to the sea is the template on which US fought Germany — utter destruction was the goal, not a happenstance; unconditional surrender was demanded.

    It wasn't utter destruction it was the acknowledgement that modern warfare is a fight between every element of society. An army cannot fight without the people back home making the implements of war.

    When both sides ran toward each other with swords and spears it really didn't matter what the civilian population was doing. The US was just revitalizing the type of war prior to the age of chivalry where towns were laid siege and no quarter was given if the city refused to surrender at the first sight of the enemy preparing for a siege.
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  157. @Rosamond Vincy
    Either Jews are brilliant conspirators, or they are self-destructive morons who aren't paying attention to the fact that Muslims targeted them as well as Christians in San Bernardino, Paris, etc.
    My money is on the second, at least for those Social Justice types who think if they sing Kumbaya everybody will love them back, and those are mostly lapsed Jews, practicing Wiccan/Neopagan blah-bah just like all the lapsed Christians who went Hari Krishna back in the day.
    As for practicing Jews, at least in NYC where I lived for over a decade, they seem to fall mostly into three categories:
    1. Ultra-Orthos, who openly hate Arabs and couldn't care less if they're perceived as intolerant;
    2. the really rich ones, who join Cancer and Heart committees, contribute to anything that will get them in WWD, and basically long to be Social Register WASPS when they grow up;
    3. middle-class folks on Lawn Guyland, who just want their kids to get professional degrees and marry their middle-class counterparts.
    The last two are usually only moderately religious. They contribute to Israel with about as much thought as parochial school kids contribute to saving Pagan Babies; it's just something everybody does.
    The one arguable Brilliant Conspirator, George Soros, is by no means universally adored: Ultra-Orthos detest him for his history, Rich WASP wanna-be's recognize him as a vulgar sociopath, and cringe from his vulgarity as much as if not more than his sociopathy. As for the middle-class folks, most of them don't even know who he is.
    (If you think this is complicated, ask me about Catholics and Trump.)

    “Either Jews are brilliant conspirators, or they are self-destructive morons who aren’t paying attention ”

    Could be a combination of both, no? Historically Jewish-led revolutionary movements have always over-played their hand and engendered a backlash against the prominent (and socially isolated) leadership, as with Stain vs. the Trotskyites.

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    That wasn't about Jews. There remained Jews around Stalin, notably Kaganovich and Litvinov. Most of the other Jews who were purged were against Trotsky, including Zinoviev and Kamenev.
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    There are fewer fiery Simon Zealotes types than there are sheep who got the same save-the-trees public school indoctrination most millennials get. Canon fodder--and no, that's not a misspelling.
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  158. @aNanyMouse
    The Derb, with his Chinese wife, ought to easily see the import of what I'm saying. Pushing R.E. Lee isn't going to grease unity among the Ice Peoples.

    … with Jews and Australians clearly included as being among the Ice People.

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  159. Olorin says:
    @uslabor
    Of course, Jared Taylor of Vdare and his racist enablers here at UNZ.com are are dressing the Nazis in Charlottesville as innocent protesters, However reports indicate that:

    "At dawn Saturday morning, dozens of uniformed fascist militiamen armed with assault rifles and shotguns deployed downtown, establishing military control over the heart of the 50,000-person city. After the militia had secured the area, without police interference, vans filled with people from across the country poured into the city center, unloading hundreds of Nazis armed with guns, knives, chains, metal poles, baseball bats and pepper spray."

    Truth means nothing to Unz racists, or Jared Taylor.

    So cute.

    Let me guess. You are a summer intern at ADL, SPLC, or Fenton Communications?

    Don’t quit your barista job.

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  160. @Olorin

    Your comparison with the way the Hebrews of the first millenium BC got their rabid right instructions
     
    More like the third century BC.

    http://www.jhsonline.org/cocoon/JHS/r313.html

    The date you assume may well involve historiographic retconning.

    It looks like an interesting link for when I have time to follow up. I can’t remember a great deal of the book I read by a (Harvard ?) Professor on the history of the Old Testament – the Yahweh and El versions then the priestly contributions and those of scribes (Jeremiah comes to mind) and how it all fitted in with the (late 6th C. BC?) exile….

    I was deliberately a bit vague but certainly didn’t think of God giving genocidal instructions as late as the 3rd century BC. By then surely he was almost a Hellenistic humanist and so embarrassed by His past that he allowed some very wussy stuff to get into the story of Jonah (pointed out by Steve Sailer who I believe to be a direct descendant of Jonah, sadly with no cash attached, a bit like Confucian descent….)

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  161. epebble says:
    @WorkingClass
    Charlottesville will be remembered. The first death in the American race war. It won't be much of a war with Imperial Washington fully supporting the left. But war it will be now that whites understand they have been marked for destruction. Slowly/painfully the Right will get stronger and Washington will get weaker. Insurgencies work harden over time. And the Zempire is in steep decline and is hated and feared by pretty much the whole world.
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  162. Maus says:
    @Rosamond Vincy
    Moved halfway across the country in the '90s, so that's where I'm getting my sample:

    Ultra-trad: Enthusiastically voted for obscure candidates like the American Solidarity Party that nobody ever heard of and that hadn't a snowball's chance in Purgatory of winning.
    Trad: Unenthusiastically voted for Trump, skeptical of his pro-life claims, but figuring anything was better than Hillary, who seemed ready to extend abortion rights to the neo-natology ward.
    Moderate: Many voted for third-party candidates like the Libertarian guy, and didn't care if he won or not as long as the election was finally over.
    Guitar-Mass Catholics: Quietly voted for Hillary, and felt mildly guilty about it. Or quietly voted for Trump, and felt mildly guilty about it. Both lied to their friends.
    Lapsed Catholics, idealist: Bernie.
    Lapsed Catholics, cynical: Wake and bake, can't remember if they made it to the polls or not.

    As for New Yorkers, Hillary won her Senate seat because, while Lawn Guylanders hated her on general principal, they had specific reasons for hating Lazio. By the time she ran against Trump, however, they had specific reasons to hate her too, but of course, they also had specific reasons to hate Trump. The ones I stayed in touch with mostly voted Trump, but I have weird friends.

    Thanks for responding. I think you nailed it. I’m a trad and was a reluctant, anyone-but-Her Trump voter. Pretty disappointed with everything but the Gorsuch appointment so far. My sister is a classic Kumbiyah, love the Jesuits on social justice type. I cancelled out her Hillary vote. Only point of disagreement is that the GenX lapsi nephews and nieces were all Sandernistas. Don’t know what they ultimately did, but I am guessing it wasn’t Trump.

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    One of Hillary's dealbreakers (she had so many) was her tendency to cuddle up to groups who were slaughtering Christians all over the globe. Trump's strongest appeal for many people was that he promised to do something about limiting entry of those groups into this country. To some extent, he has been impeded by Congress, but he also distracted himself with Twitter feuds with everyone from NoKo to Venezuela. What happened to "America First"?
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  163. Talha says:
    @Pachyderm Pachyderma
    Noticed, you left out the yellow man. what? No love for China... thought you were best of friends. Paki Chini Baijan, Paki Chini Baijan... no?

    Him too and the Red!!! ;)

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    Au contraire, despair is a sin.
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  164. rw95 says:
    @Johnny Smoggins
    "You know what made the protest a “stupid on parade” show?

    The organizers let clowns in KKK and Nazi garb in the march. Wow talk about stupid and a PR disaster. Mr. Taylor the organizers may well have worked for the Democratic party for the disaster they created for our side."

    Yes of course, because quoting Martin Luther King and giving into the demands of the left has worked out so well for conservatives up until now right?

    Time for boomer cucks to step aside and let the youth take over.

    They are taking over.

    And they are overwhelmingly against you and everything you stand for.

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  165. Faith Goldy: Charlottesville, In My Own Words

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  166. Proglodytes vs Froglodytes.

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  167. Bob Woodwort [AKA "John Boy Iowa"] says:

    [Choose a single Handle and stick with it. Sockpuppetry using multiple handles is prohibited and will get all your comments trashed. This is your FINAL warning.]

    Knowing “what’s going on” is truly a task for poets, dramatists, screenwriters (Chinese?) . That is true because thoughts and informed views about race (and evolved male/ female differences also ) are overwhelmingly discussed only privately, if at all. There appears to be a massive conflict in that a great many people believe the science is important but believe it should not be overtly recognized toward a national discussion of policy options. It is unfortunate that AR is so exclusively devoted to what emerges now and then and has not made the big sacrifice– well rather a literary or artistic task–to capture the massive “whispering” that has gone on and on for decades now.

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    Activism needs to arise, if it's going to, from public discussion that is based on the facts of science. A lot of literate people do not deny the science but believe the society cannot handle it properly. Their caution is not a matter to be ridiculed or reflexively dismissed. Having an initial notion of where it all should end up is a real put off for a lot of thoughtful people.
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  168. Just listening to all the morons in the news and radio….

    PC is Idiot Supremacism.

    Idiot Supremacists who stick to dogma with cops and robbers view of history and society.

    Btw, I feel zero sympathy for the woman who got killed by the car.

    Why should we CARE when her ilk and media don’t care about ANYONE on our side?

    Any media coverage of Baked Alaska blinded by acid?

    Just reverse the scenario. Suppose a bunch of Alt Right or ‘nazi’ goons with baseball bats, mace, and bricks attacked a peaceful leftist rally. Suppose these ‘nazi’ goons with bats and other weapons ran around kicking and punching leftist and Jews.

    Suppose a Jewish kid was chased and suppose his car as smashed and hit with bats. Suppose Jewish leftist kid panicked and ran over some ‘nazis’ and one ‘nazi girl’ died.

    Would anyone care?

    Media and Left would be saying SHE DESERVED IT.

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  169. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Beefcake the Mighty
    "Either Jews are brilliant conspirators, or they are self-destructive morons who aren’t paying attention "

    Could be a combination of both, no? Historically Jewish-led revolutionary movements have always over-played their hand and engendered a backlash against the prominent (and socially isolated) leadership, as with Stain vs. the Trotskyites.

    That wasn’t about Jews. There remained Jews around Stalin, notably Kaganovich and Litvinov. Most of the other Jews who were purged were against Trotsky, including Zinoviev and Kamenev.

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    Forest and trees.

    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2011/09/20/stalin’s-1937-counter-revolution-against-trotskyism/
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  170. wayfarer says:

    “The most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history.” ― George Orwell

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  171. @Beefcake the Mighty
    Then he accepts the core premises of his supposed enemies, and hence is useless.

    He’s not useless. You might call him misguided, but it can certainly be argued that if he does the ‘unmentionable’ (unmentionable even here!) and ends up marginalizing or silencing himself he certainly won’t accomplish much that way either.

    In my opinion, it may be disappointing to those who demand ideological purity but it’s certainly arguable as a practical matter. Politics is the art of the possible and if you let the other side silence you–you may enjoy having your say but no one will hear it.

    How ‘useful’ are you in that case?

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    It's not a question of purity or compromise. It's a question of accepting your opponents' key premises (e.g., that we shouldn't do or say anything that offends Jews). You let them set the terms of debate (always a sign of weakness), neuter your own arguments and raise the legitimate question of what, exactly, it is you're opposing. Not very effective. And it's obviously not bought him any peace or goodwill, so it's a pretty stupid strategy as well.
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  172. @Anon
    That wasn't about Jews. There remained Jews around Stalin, notably Kaganovich and Litvinov. Most of the other Jews who were purged were against Trotsky, including Zinoviev and Kamenev.

    Forest and trees.

    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2011/09/20/stalin’s-1937-counter-revolution-against-trotskyism/

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    A really weak argument. Stalin also accused his enemies during the period of the purges as being fascists. Does that seem likely to you? Why or why not?

    There was a general sweep of Trotskyists in the early to mid 1930s in places where they remained strong, mainly Spain's POUM, but Spain was unlike most other European countries in having a multi-tendency left. In the USSR, Trotsky was thoroughly crushed by 1929.
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  173. @Corvinus
    "Antifa tactics are disgusting, cowardly, cruel, dishonest and altogether degrading to human dignity."

    Corrected for accuracy --> The radical left (antifa) and the radical right (white nationalist groups**) are disgusting, cowardly, cruel, dishonest, and altogether degrading to human dignity.

    **Referring to KKK, Neo-Nazis, and White Supremacists

    I have no problems if white nationalist groups want to organize and preach how white people ought to preserve and protect their culture. But with freedom of speech and assembly come consequences, right or wrong, fair or unfair. And in this day and age of social media, when a person becomes part of ANY movement, be prepared for a violent confrontation and/or to be doxxed, right or wrong, fair or unfair, especially if white people label other white people as being "anti-white" or "race traitors".

    I have no problems if white nationalist groups want to organize and preach how white people ought to preserve and protect their culture. But with freedom of speech and assembly come consequences, right or wrong, fair or unfair. And in this day and age of social media, when a person becomes part of ANY movement, be prepared for a violent confrontation and/or to be doxxed, right or wrong, fair or unfair, especially if white people label other white people as being “anti-white” or “race traitors”.
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    It should be the primary responsibility for the government to such prevent violent confrontation.

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    "It should be the primary responsibility for the government to such prevent violent confrontation."

    No, it is the EQUAL responsibility of individuals who plan a protest march, the community at large who will be in attendance, AND law enforcement who will provide law and order. But when you have two radical groups who believe they are decidedly correct, and there has been a known pattern for disruption and/or clashes, we can expect these rallies to end up being violence.
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  174. HBM says:
    @John Gruskos
    The ancient Israelites may have been commanded to genocide the Amalekites, but God never commanded them to throw shit and bags of urine while cowardly hiding their faces behind black masks in the midst of a mob.

    If you're looking for a Biblical precedent, look at the mobs who crucified Christ and stoned St. Stephen.

    Antifa tactics are disgusting, cowardly, cruel, dishonest and altogether degrading to human dignity.

    All the most vile non-lethal tactics of the 20th century left are employed by Antifa, without any of the plausibly humanitarian aspects of the 20th century left, such as their commitment to economic equality.

    Antifa tactics seem to be a combination of:

    Trotsky's "permanent revolution" - they will never be satisfied.

    Rakosi's "salami tactics" - they isolate and cut off one slice at a time until nothing is left

    Mao's "struggle sessions" - they revel in the humiliation of individuals

    Herbert Marcuse's "polymorphous perversity" and Susan Sontag's "transgressivism" - the degrading and the disgusting are embraced precisely because they are degrading and disgusting.

    Saul Alinsky's "rules for radicals" - they isolate and target individuals, because individuals "hurt easier", and "a good tactic is one your people enjoy", and mobs have always enjoyed torturing the helpless.

    Markus Wolf's "Zersetzung" - psychological torture as a form of social control

    Joe Slovo's "no middle way" - justice and mercy are less important than achieving revolutionary goals.

    The Antifa foot soldiers may be less culpable than the powerful who egg them on, such as the SPLC, ADL, MSM, the political establishment, and their billionaire owners, but lets not pretend that their tactics aren't pure evil.

    The Hebrew scriptures are retrohistorical fictions, largely composed by Hellenized Jews in Alexandria, using the exploits of Alexander and the Chronicles of Thutmose as models. Biblical Minimalist scholars of the Copenhagen School have understood this for thirty years.

    Our Jewish media is producing the exact same sort of revisionist ethno-propaganda as those Alexandrine Jews did. Narrative revision and hyperbole and slander and perpetual innocence of the perpetrators is in their blood. All Jewish discourse is propaganda, and retrohistorical revision is, arguably, their master trope.

    The Antifa defectives are golems– as are the cartoon “Nazis”.

    The Alt-Right has always been a nexus, but the one thing that has defined it is that it is anti-Neocon. This makes it “anti-Semitic” by default– and, of course, no fault of the Jews.

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  175. @Kyle McKenna
    He's not useless. You might call him misguided, but it can certainly be argued that if he does the 'unmentionable' (unmentionable even here!) and ends up marginalizing or silencing himself he certainly won't accomplish much that way either.

    In my opinion, it may be disappointing to those who demand ideological purity but it's certainly arguable as a practical matter. Politics is the art of the possible and if you let the other side silence you--you may enjoy having your say but no one will hear it.

    How 'useful' are you in that case?

    It’s not a question of purity or compromise. It’s a question of accepting your opponents’ key premises (e.g., that we shouldn’t do or say anything that offends Jews). You let them set the terms of debate (always a sign of weakness), neuter your own arguments and raise the legitimate question of what, exactly, it is you’re opposing. Not very effective. And it’s obviously not bought him any peace or goodwill, so it’s a pretty stupid strategy as well.

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  176. Bob Woodwort [AKA "W. A. Summers"] says:
    @Bob Woodwort
    [Choose a single Handle and stick with it. Sockpuppetry using multiple handles is prohibited and will get all your comments trashed. This is your FINAL warning.]

    Knowing "what's going on" is truly a task for poets, dramatists, screenwriters (Chinese?) . That is true because thoughts and informed views about race (and evolved male/ female differences also ) are overwhelmingly discussed only privately, if at all. There appears to be a massive conflict in that a great many people believe the science is important but believe it should not be overtly recognized toward a national discussion of policy options. It is unfortunate that AR is so exclusively devoted to what emerges now and then and has not made the big sacrifice-- well rather a literary or artistic task--to capture the massive "whispering" that has gone on and on for decades now.

    Activism needs to arise, if it’s going to, from public discussion that is based on the facts of science. A lot of literate people do not deny the science but believe the society cannot handle it properly. Their caution is not a matter to be ridiculed or reflexively dismissed. Having an initial notion of where it all should end up is a real put off for a lot of thoughtful people.

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  177. CCZ says:

    Re: the mention of SPLC and ADL in the linked video, here is the public response of a liberal American labor union to the events in Charlottesville:

    American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Employees Sisters and Brothers,

    What happened in Charlottesville over the weekend was shocking and shameful.

    AFSCME emphatically and unequivocally condemns the Nazi white nationalists who spewed vile bigotry and incited domestic terrorism on Saturday. Now is a moment for all Americans who believe in freedom and justice, in tolerance and inclusion, to stand up and speak out.

    To combat hatred and violence, AFSCME is making contributions to the Southern Poverty Law Center and the Anti-Defamation League. We hope you’ll join us in supporting these organizations.

    The Southern Poverty Law Center works to eliminate bigotry and advance justice for the most vulnerable members of society. You can contribute to them by clicking here.

    The Anti-Defamation League fights anti-Semitism and other forms of prejudice and intolerance. Even if it’s $5, please consider contributing to them by clicking here.

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  178. Bob Woodwort [AKA "W. A. Summers"] says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    You have to dig a little deeper to recognize the importance of Robert E Lee.

    Reaganites ought to love him: Lee was opposed to centralized government; in his view, as expressed in correspondence w/ Lord Acton, the individual sovereignty of states, which included the right to secede, was the sole bulwark -- and genius -- of American Constitutional Republic. Without that sovereignty, the centralized state would agglomerate power to the extent that it could wage war at will, and no force of the people or any other entity could control it. this was understood and expressed in the 1860s by Acton, who was a counselor to Gladstone, in Britain's government.

    The British supported the Confederacy NOT because they supported state's rights -- they didn't, the British thought the US Constitution established an Athenian (majoritarian) democracy that would fail like all other such democracies. Acton understood the crucial importance of Federalism/the superiority of State's Rights as a check on the power of the central government.

    Some of us met in a coffee shop Sunday and started talking about Korea; we mentioned that US killed 3 million NKoreans; dropped more bombs on Korea than all of WWII. One of the guys said, "Well, Sherman destroyed Atlanta: when people are in war, they will do anything to win. Winning is the only thing."
    Others of us raised the Morality question: Is it moral to kill civilians, on a mass scale? Since when is that a noble war? or a just war?
    YET Sherman's scorched earth - march to the sea is the template on which US fought Germany -- utter destruction was the goal, not a happenstance; unconditional surrender was demanded.
    That reduces USA -- WE, Americans -- to savages, not the bastion of civilization.

    Tearing down Robert E Lee allows us to cover up that crime against humanity, just as holocaust museums and the dogmatization of the holocaust narrative allows us to omit reference to our own crimes against humanity -- and so we repeat them and repeat them.

    How many of the dumbos who shrieked their way thru Charlottesville have a clue what Lee stood for? Better they should tear down Lincoln's monument (and the holocaust freak shows) than Lee monuments.

    Jews are using blacks -- again -- for their own purposes.

    Spencer and the other Alt Right spokespersons need to be smarter, take a different approach.

    Years ago some uber Christian group had pizza-bible studies on community college campuses. The pizza was free and it was not that hard to tune out the saccharin jeezuss luvs u msg. A similar approach might work re the "Unite the Right" pov.
    I'd change the name of the movement to American Heritage Renaissance or something like that; I think the "white" thing is kinda stupid: our European heritage is not "white" it's European, and each European point of origin is different from the other. I'm reading Dinesh D'Souza's new money bomb -- it's dreadful -- he doesn't know the difference between Nazism (more accurately, National Socialism) and Fascism -- the Italian context was quite different from the German situation; both were different from Russian, and from French, and from British. Some foreign policy wonks defer to George Kenan's Telegram, and mention that he read Russian literature, but he went deeper than that: he read Russian literature IN RUSSIAN; he understood the soul of the people, and tried to tell American FP makers that they had to do the same. FPers bastardized his recommendations, just used it as a tactic to coerce Russia, not understand culturally.
    No one talks about zionism, the most important of the -isms of that era and the only one that perdured with the most deleterious impact.

    I'd have read-ins, salons and house parties to inform/educate, activate people about these topics. I'd have essay contests -- pull together $20 k and offer prizes for the best High School essay/video, best college essay/video on a selected topic. I wish I could get my brain to sit still long enough to put together a set of questions about "fascism" and "Nazism" , then spend a week in a town like Charlottesville, asking people-on-the-street these questions and, I suspect, disclosing how little they know about what they are talking about.

    I am convinced beyond a doubt that "antifa" has no clue whatsoever what fascism stands for. It's surprising they can handle three syllables.

    It's a shame Trump condemned "Nazis" -- there is no topic that is less understood -- or about which people -- young people especially -- are more misinformed, less critically aware, than the world wars. They have a direct bearing on the wars/foreign policy US is involved in today, and they WILL destroy the USA, just as Acton and Robert E Lee warned. People need to learn about this, and to gain the courage to speak truth to PTB. Yahoo reports that people were fired when their photo showed they'd attended the Protest, and families are denouncing family members for participation: clear sign that tender nerves are being pinched. Actually a good sign.

    If you love your country, deny the holocaust!

    As regards summary comments about “Jews”, it might be helpful to regard an exchange, recorded, between then President Richard Nixon and his brilliant advisor, Professor Henry Kissinger. President Nixon asked something on this order: “Henry, what about the Jews?” Professor Kissinger responded, “First, there are Jews and there are jews…” Anti-Semitism seems based on oddly “selective seeing” and not on adequate perception.

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  179. Rod1963 says:
    @Jesse Jacks
    "Hire men whose job it is to police the protestors to make sure any trouble makers are removed on the spot."

    I grew up in Atlanta, and learned to 'protest' with the survivors of the Martin Luther King movement. In reading the comments, it seems that Dr. King faced some of the same problems. He wanted to hold a peaceful march and rally to put out a message that the media of the day did not want to cover. But he knew he'd be met by violent people who wanted to incite trouble and make the story about 'violence' at the march and not about the point that Dr. King's movement was trying to make that day.

    So, his marches did exactly what I've quoted from a previous post. They used volunteers to act as marshalls, and they walked along the sides of the march between the marchers and the people on the sides of the street who wanted to incite trouble. And of course, Dr. King could not rely on local police to keep order during the march. Thus, he put people his movement trusted as 'marshalls' to keep the marchers seperate and to quiet down anyone in the march who started to get out of control.

    Dr. King's movement also held 'training' classes before the march. Anyone who wanted to march on Saturday was strongly encouraged to attend a Friday night non-violence class, and there would be things like role-playing of how to stay calm when confronted by angry hecklers. Also, Dr. King's marches also visibly excluded the more violent groups of the day. You didn't see Black Panthers marching along as a visible group within Dr. King's march.

    All of the above created the powerful scenes of calm and restrained people who were marching for a cause, and being heckled and attacked by people on the sides of the road, but not responding and just marching and staying peaceful. Can still find those videos today, if you want to see how different Antifa is from Dr. King's marchers.

    If you want to have a march for a cause, that's a powerful statement to make in a video. Doesn't stop the media from lying about you and your cause, but it does draw a plain, visual difference between people who feel they are marching for a cause, and the Antifa types who are being violent and abusive in trying to shut down the march.

    After reading on various sites about Kessler who was a Occupy Wall Street and Obama supporter right until the election. I smell a rat.

    People don’t flip like that and come out of nowhere all of sudden become a alt-right leader.

    It’s very common in political circles to have a member go undercover to sabotage the opposition. Kessler is one of them.

    Here’s a guy who is a PR expert. And what does he do? He goes and recruits a bunch of Neo-Nazis and so-called KKK types in full regalia and David Duke to march with his gang of suckers. He knows full well the media will demonize him, Trump and the alt-right movement and is bait for anti-fa.

    Unless he’s lacking a brain, he also knows protesting in a city with a liberal along with a liberal governor is the sort of state Anti-Fa would be operating in.

    So what does he do when the alt-right types find the police standing down instead of keeping the groups separated? He keeps going, instead of quitting and leaving ASAP. He knows anti-fa will attack his group. Which is more media meat for MSM.

    I have no doubt this whole mess was a set up. It reeks of it. The Left has been trying for the last two years to demonize Trump supporters and now they have it on a platter. A shadowy character ropes in a bunch of fools to march into the Lion’s den.

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  180. @Stan d Mute

    if you can’t leave for S. America (actually far, far more accommodating than ((N. America)) for white folks, then at least head to some place like N. Dakota or Idaho or even Nebraska is better than the alternative you speak of.
     
    In all my travels, the best midsize city I found was Spokane. Salt Lake/Provo would come next but for the truly bizarre cult based there. Too much of a Stepford Wives vibe and they're too friendly now with the diversities. If their leaders say diversities are good they all follow in lockstep like lemmings off a cliff. There are many great small towns left and they're everywhere, but if you can't telecommute, you have to find contentment working at the local feed store. And of course eventually they'll all get their own Somali resettlement so it's just a matter of time.

    I've been advocating an exodus to S America for nearly two decades, but it's too late for me. Going off grid in the Great White North (i.e. Becoming a yooper) is possible perhaps, but never easy. So I sit in a place surrounded by white liberals who turn my stomach knowing that they'll all be eaten first.

    “Indeed. Instead of the silly costumes and adornments, each and every one should have carried a photo of a white victim of negro crime, We lose the propaganda war every day and so far the number of alt-right folks who get that is vanishingly small.”

    Oh, absolutely. The imbeciles who thought a march in that place would end well are as dumb as the proverbial sack of hammers.

    The idea of carrying photos of victims of black on white crime would never occur to them.

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    “Indeed. Instead of the silly costumes and adornments, each and every one should have carried a photo of a white victim of negro crime,
     
    LMAO! The 85% of white crime victims who were victimized by whites will feel left out!
    , @anarchyst
    The people wearing " the silly costumes and adornments" were actually leftists playing the part of "white supremacists. Notice how fresh the flags and robes looked, as if they had just been purchased. This is another good example of Alinsky tactics used against the right...
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  181. Miro23 says:
    @SMK
    The problem with your argument is that the left controls almost everything, the universities, the schools, the media (news, talk shows, TV shows, movies), the perception of reality which is often a distortion and inversion of objective reality, most perniciously and systemically in respect to race and nonwhite immigration. They "spin" the memes and control the narrative and hold the megaphone. They choose what is news and what is not news. They decide who and what is good and who and what is evil, who is respected, praised, feted, lionized, and who is demonized, vilified, caricatured, ridiculed.

    Ergo, the left-liberal establishment and Democratic party are not vilified and demonized for supporting or refusing to criticize and denounce "antifa" and BLM fanatics and terrorists or lying hatemongers and demagogues like Al Sharpton, while all race-realists and white advocates and immigration restrictionists, intelligent and rational and honest men like Jared Taylor and Peter Brimelow and John Derbyshire, are demonized and vilified as "racists" and "Nazis" and "white supremacists" and conflated with extremists who hold signs with swastikas and wave confederate flags and such at Charlottesville.

    They choose what is news and what is not news. They decide who and what is good and who and what is evil, who is respected, praised, feted, lionized, and who is demonized, vilified, caricatured, ridiculed.

    Something to think about is that they demonized, vilified, caricatured and ridiculed Trump the whole way through the election process but he still won.

    No doubt their negative propaganda had an effect, so if the left (really the Zionist-Globalist-SJW alliance) had by some miracle given a level electoral playing field to the two candidates, then Trump would have had a much bigger victory.

    The fact is that he did win, showing that propaganda doesn’t work the way it used to, and that there are enough conversations going on about the real state of the US to outweigh the MSM message – hence the hysterical fury about Trump’s victory. “America First” is a direct challenge to Zionist colonial rule and shows that they are in trouble.

    The risk from the Zio-Glob point of view is that their camp is full of Gentile opportunists and collaborators (their colonial administration) who will only stay on board while they see an advantage and feel safe (think Congressmen). If the US continues to polarize and Trump’s victory is in fact a harbinger of growing “native” political power then the real risk is that their collaborationist rats start to leave the sinking ship.

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  182. Truth says:
    @David In TN
    "Indeed. Instead of the silly costumes and adornments, each and every one should have carried a photo of a white victim of negro crime, We lose the propaganda war every day and so far the number of alt-right folks who get that is vanishingly small."

    Oh, absolutely. The imbeciles who thought a march in that place would end well are as dumb as the proverbial sack of hammers.

    The idea of carrying photos of victims of black on white crime would never occur to them.

    “Indeed. Instead of the silly costumes and adornments, each and every one should have carried a photo of a white victim of negro crime,

    LMAO! The 85% of white crime victims who were victimized by whites will feel left out!

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    White victims of black crime are already left out.
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  183. JackOH says:
    @Ron Unz
    There have been quite a few comment-threads on the Charlottesville Riot, and I think many of the commenters are being too hard on those "antifas" and their allies in government and the police...

    Basically, most people these days, certainly including most Americans, just worship the TeeVee. The TeeVee is their Divine Ruler, who instructs them as to Good and Evil...

    So if all the TeeVee people, even including lots of the FoxNews and NR types, tell them that over and over again that the Alt-Right represents Pure Evil, then that's what it must be. And naturally lots of good-thinking true-blue American patriots feel they have to do their duty and fight against Pure Evil, in some cases, literally with baseball bats or clubs.

    When the G-d of the Old Testament instructed His worshipers to do all sorts of harsh things to Evildoers, surely they were regarded as heroes for following His commands. And that's just the same with the local politicians, the police, and the antifa rioters.

    With the growth of the Internet, the Almighty Power of the TeeVee is draining away, but it can still command a good riot here and there...

    “The TeeVee is their Divine Ruler . . .”.

    I’ve speculated publicly that the quasi-religious, catechetical certainty with which many opinions are held by ordinary people is a jumbled mash of post hoc fallacies, intellectual sloth, upchucked fragments of corporate propaganda, unexamined self-interest, the cult of lengthy but spotty formal education that drapes thought in a questionable authority, etc. Depends on the specific issue how opinions deviate so vastly from what the evidence says.

    I’m hoping for a good investigation of the Charlottesville incident.

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  184. @Bob Woodwort
    As regards summary comments about "Jews", it might be helpful to regard an exchange, recorded, between then President Richard Nixon and his brilliant advisor, Professor Henry Kissinger. President Nixon asked something on this order: "Henry, what about the Jews?" Professor Kissinger responded, "First, there are Jews and there are jews..." Anti-Semitism seems based on oddly "selective seeing" and not on adequate perception.

    Actually it’s based on a rational reaction to collective Jewish behavior.

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  185. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Beefcake the Mighty
    Forest and trees.

    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2011/09/20/stalin’s-1937-counter-revolution-against-trotskyism/

    A really weak argument. Stalin also accused his enemies during the period of the purges as being fascists. Does that seem likely to you? Why or why not?

    There was a general sweep of Trotskyists in the early to mid 1930s in places where they remained strong, mainly Spain’s POUM, but Spain was unlike most other European countries in having a multi-tendency left. In the USSR, Trotsky was thoroughly crushed by 1929.

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  186. Corvinus says:
    @epochehusserl
    I have no problems if white nationalist groups want to organize and preach how white people ought to preserve and protect their culture. But with freedom of speech and assembly come consequences, right or wrong, fair or unfair. And in this day and age of social media, when a person becomes part of ANY movement, be prepared for a violent confrontation and/or to be doxxed, right or wrong, fair or unfair, especially if white people label other white people as being “anti-white” or “race traitors”.
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    It should be the primary responsibility for the government to such prevent violent confrontation.

    “It should be the primary responsibility for the government to such prevent violent confrontation.”

    No, it is the EQUAL responsibility of individuals who plan a protest march, the community at large who will be in attendance, AND law enforcement who will provide law and order. But when you have two radical groups who believe they are decidedly correct, and there has been a known pattern for disruption and/or clashes, we can expect these rallies to end up being violence.

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    What lawful measures do you believe people could take in order to prevent measures from taking place? When Black Lives Matter rushed the stage with Milo what should have been done for example?
    , @Talha
    Somebody sent me RooshV's take on the rally which I thought was fairly well thought out. People need to ask themselves some serious questions about approach and if certain people are leadership material.

    http://www.returnofkings.com/128371/charlottesville-was-a-disaster-for-the-dissident-right

    I'll tell you one thing, if that lady (that was hit and killed by the car) was pregnant that would have been end game right there. This is big time now and people still think this is dress rehearsal.

    Peace.
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  187. @Corvinus
    "It should be the primary responsibility for the government to such prevent violent confrontation."

    No, it is the EQUAL responsibility of individuals who plan a protest march, the community at large who will be in attendance, AND law enforcement who will provide law and order. But when you have two radical groups who believe they are decidedly correct, and there has been a known pattern for disruption and/or clashes, we can expect these rallies to end up being violence.

    What lawful measures do you believe people could take in order to prevent measures from taking place? When Black Lives Matter rushed the stage with Milo what should have been done for example?

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    He thinks they should bend over and take it (which admittedly someone like Milo might enjoy). Because he's a cuck.
    , @Corvinus
    "What lawful measures do you believe people could take in order to prevent measures from taking place?"

    For starters, leave at home your mask, your shield sword, your tiki torch, or any other item that has the potential to incite the opposing side to likewise "arm" themselves. Have a group of people who you are ABSOLUTELY certain will only engage in a war of words with the opposing side. See, the radical right and radical left each have elements of criminality--they DESIRE to bash skulls. They want NOTHING more than a fight. Of course, bring your cell phone and camera and record EVERY incident of people who threaten you and/or attempt to cause bodily harm. If and when someone hits you, defend yourself. But KEEP recording and show that evidence to the police and demand that charges be filed.

    "When Black Lives Matter rushed the stage with Milo what should have been done for example?"

    Milo WANTED that confrontation to happen. He SOUGHT it out because he is an attention whore. The crowd should have NOT rushed him, they should have let him speak. Now, did Milo request a campus police presence? Did he bring body guards to protect him from the likelihood of the audience rushing in? To what extent was the campus police willing to arrest individuals who rushed the stage under the name of disturbing the peace? Were they directed by their superiors to "stand down"?

    Those are compelling questions I do not have the answers to.
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  188. @Truth

    “Indeed. Instead of the silly costumes and adornments, each and every one should have carried a photo of a white victim of negro crime,
     
    LMAO! The 85% of white crime victims who were victimized by whites will feel left out!

    White victims of black crime are already left out.

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  189. @epochehusserl
    What lawful measures do you believe people could take in order to prevent measures from taking place? When Black Lives Matter rushed the stage with Milo what should have been done for example?

    He thinks they should bend over and take it (which admittedly someone like Milo might enjoy). Because he’s a cuck.

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  190. anarchyst says:
    @David In TN
    "Indeed. Instead of the silly costumes and adornments, each and every one should have carried a photo of a white victim of negro crime, We lose the propaganda war every day and so far the number of alt-right folks who get that is vanishingly small."

    Oh, absolutely. The imbeciles who thought a march in that place would end well are as dumb as the proverbial sack of hammers.

    The idea of carrying photos of victims of black on white crime would never occur to them.

    The people wearing ” the silly costumes and adornments” were actually leftists playing the part of “white supremacists. Notice how fresh the flags and robes looked, as if they had just been purchased. This is another good example of Alinsky tactics used against the right…

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    Hey anarchyst,

    Doesn't matter - when you are organizing a rally you shut that crap down - and fast. You do not let fools on their side or on yours set the agenda.

    I remember we organized a rally in front of the Israeli embassy (in LA) over one of their bombardments (I think it was over the bombing of an official UN refugee camp - it was almost 20 years ago). I remember we came out with flags and what not and from one car some guys brought out Irani flags. In principle, we had no real issues with Iran since they were supporting Palestinians. We were nice about it, but we were firm - we told them that we were not going to distract the issue and that they were welcome to rally with us, but they could not bring any other flags than the Palestinian one. They didn't like it, but relented. Were they people on our side or the other? Didn't matter, we weren't going to have a picture on the news with us being painted as Iranian proxies such that our message was simply dismissed.

    Peace.
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  191. Talha says:
    @Corvinus
    "It should be the primary responsibility for the government to such prevent violent confrontation."

    No, it is the EQUAL responsibility of individuals who plan a protest march, the community at large who will be in attendance, AND law enforcement who will provide law and order. But when you have two radical groups who believe they are decidedly correct, and there has been a known pattern for disruption and/or clashes, we can expect these rallies to end up being violence.

    Somebody sent me RooshV’s take on the rally which I thought was fairly well thought out. People need to ask themselves some serious questions about approach and if certain people are leadership material.

    http://www.returnofkings.com/128371/charlottesville-was-a-disaster-for-the-dissident-right

    I’ll tell you one thing, if that lady (that was hit and killed by the car) was pregnant that would have been end game right there. This is big time now and people still think this is dress rehearsal.

    Peace.

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    Everything is spin.

    Personally, I don't even know what the alt-right is anymore. I used to think I was alt-right, being in practice an accidentalist along the lines of Gil-Robles and an unabashed Franquist whose great political heroes were of the Vendee. But it seems I am not. Charlottesville certainly wasn't a disaster for me.

    Who leads the alt-right? It is not a coherent movement and it has no ideology. If it is shorthand for white identity politics, these do not look like going away.

    Polarization is not a bad thing for the right, down the road. There is a good parallel here with bin Laden, though of course a Muslim has to do a lot worse things to get accepted as an enemy than do white rightists (spin again).

    What would a pregnant woman have been doing at a rally that was essentially a fistfight anyway? Has the world gone madder than I thought?

    (At Talha's comment #162 in case this gets transposed)
    , @Beefcake the Mighty
    Excellent link.
    , @Corvinus
    Let's look at a few comments written by Roosh.

    "An important question is what to do next. Rallies and other public events should be crossed off the list unless you’re prepared to run them like a counter-terrorist operation, which is how I was able to pull off my Canadian lectures. It makes absolutely no sense to announce the time and place of your meeting for the main benefit of appearing in fake news, all to be ambushed by antifa who have nothing to lose through their felonious violence."

    Absolutely. Except Roosh is blindsided by his Alt-Right buddies who attend these rallies and also engage in assault and battery.

    "If you insist on facing off with antifa, it’s going to be a fight that will likely lead to injury or imprisonment for you, but not imprisonment for them, and with the My Paycheck Matters police on the side of the state, it’s a hill you don’t want to die on until we enter a hot Civil War scenario."

    The police are on the side of justice. The police were quick to protect Jason Kessler. The woman who punched him was tackled by police and arrested.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/protesters-chased-unite-the-right-rally-organizer-jason-kessler-out-of-press-conference-video-2017-8

    I do have to laugh when Roosh insists that "we [will] enter a hot Civil War scenario". First, I'll wait for the movie to come out. Second, I'm sure Roosh will be on the front lines just itchin' for a fight.

    "Unless you’re an e-celeb with a huge ego, you don’t need public events, you don’t need to make the news, and you don’t need to gather massive groups of men you don’t know."

    Milo and Cernovich should get with the program.

    "Build your movement slow and steady instead of attracting whack jobs who praise Hitler and run people over with cars. Create flash events where leftist foot soldiers don’t receive advance notice on their iPhones of your whereabouts, and focus on winning hearts and minds with poignant, effective, or humorous engagements that are publicized through images or video and allow you to grow slowly as you gain needed experience."

    The new way to engage in public protest.
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  192. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Talha
    Him too and the Red!!! ;)

    Au contraire, despair is a sin.

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    Sure - but it is one of the gravest of sins. Those who do not repent of it, have themselves elected to be forsaken. Why should one have any expectation of succor or victory through Him if one has already written Him off?

    Peace.
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  193. Talha says:
    @anarchyst
    The people wearing " the silly costumes and adornments" were actually leftists playing the part of "white supremacists. Notice how fresh the flags and robes looked, as if they had just been purchased. This is another good example of Alinsky tactics used against the right...

    Hey anarchyst,

    Doesn’t matter – when you are organizing a rally you shut that crap down – and fast. You do not let fools on their side or on yours set the agenda.

    I remember we organized a rally in front of the Israeli embassy (in LA) over one of their bombardments (I think it was over the bombing of an official UN refugee camp – it was almost 20 years ago). I remember we came out with flags and what not and from one car some guys brought out Irani flags. In principle, we had no real issues with Iran since they were supporting Palestinians. We were nice about it, but we were firm – we told them that we were not going to distract the issue and that they were welcome to rally with us, but they could not bring any other flags than the Palestinian one. They didn’t like it, but relented. Were they people on our side or the other? Didn’t matter, we weren’t going to have a picture on the news with us being painted as Iranian proxies such that our message was simply dismissed.

    Peace.

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    You are correct. The organizers should have gone after these poseurs immediately. However, it is possible that things happened so fast, with the lack of "law enforcement" action, these left-wing loonies were able to demonize the alt-right by posing as nazis and kkk types. Regards,
    , @Ron Unz

    Doesn’t matter – when you are organizing a rally you shut that crap down – and fast. You do not let fools on their side or on yours set the agenda.

    I remember we organized a rally in front of the Israeli embassy (in LA) over one of their bombardments (I think it was over the bombing of an official UN refugee camp – it was almost 20 years ago).
     
    But here's a closely related question...

    I've been busy with my software work, but my strong impression is that the overwhelming majority of the violence at Charlottesville came from the "antifa" protesters, although the MSM uniformly implies the exact opposite.

    Consider your anti-Israel protest rally from 20 years ago. Suppose you'd all been violently attacked by a mob of counter-demonstrators wielding clubs, rocks, pepper-spray, and bags of urine, with the police standing down and allowing the attacks to occur (or even facilitating them). Meanwhile, the MSM portrayed your side as the instigators of the violence. How would you and your fellow demonstrators have handled the situation?

    Also, there seem to be fairly plausible claims floating around that the car driver was under deadly threat from the clubs of a mob, and his attempt to escape caused him to hit those pedestrians, some of whom were perhaps part of that mob. If so, it does cast a different light on the situation...
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  194. @Stan d Mute

    The organizers let clowns in KKK and Nazi garb in the march. Wow talk about stupid and a PR disaster. Mr. Taylor the organizers may well have worked for the Democratic party for the disaster they created for our side.
     
    Indeed. Instead of the silly costumes and adornments, each and every one should have carried a photo of a white victim of negro crime. We lose the propaganda war every day and so far the number of alt-right folks who get that is vanishingly small.

    Wake up you idiots! The communists have made "victimhood" the highest achievement of mankind. But theirs are victims of "feelz" and ours are victims of assault, robbery, rape, and murder. Force the commies to justify placing "hurt feelings" on the same plane as rape and murder victims. And remember the politicians' favorite mantra: "for the children." Publish and carry photos of all the dead white kids murdered (often tortured to death) by the commies' precious diversity.

    It truly is as if the alt-right is actually led by crypto-communists devoted to discrediting our goal of survival for our people.

    Instead of the silly costumes and adornments, each and every one should have carried a photo of a white victim of negro crime.

    Priss Factor’s comment here https://www.unz.com/article/thoughts-on-charlottesville-and-what-it-means-for-us/#comment-1968957 ** made the fundamental point: Jews — more appropriately, a ‘Syndicate’ or “criminal conspiracy,” to use Jeff Gates’s term, led by Jews and operating on Jewish-ish ideas but including a large coterie of both fully-invested- and witless tools- from the ‘white’, Christian community is behind this Color Revolution; BLM and (Soros-paid) ‘negroes’ are their carry-out boys and girls, house nigger serving the massah one more time.

    ***

    That being the case, Nazi “adornment” is most appropriate: Germans and other European Christians were the victims of the first mass action of this criminal syndicate (WWI was the beta). Hitler (and Charles Lindbergh and Ezra Pound) are so totally demonized because they called out the enemy by name and, for a time, mounted a successful resistance.

    Black people are not the enemy.
    In my view, It would be smarter to work to ‘re-educate’ the Black community — and other minorities including immigrants & Muslims — to the identity and strategy & tactics of the Criminal Syndicate led by Jewish-ish principles: get them IN the ‘alt-Right’ tent, working WITH us against the real anti-Americans, rather than allow them to advance the cause of the Jewish-ish led Criminal Syndicate whose goal is, ultimately, to destroy BOTH us AND Blacks — and other minorities.

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  195. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Talha
    Somebody sent me RooshV's take on the rally which I thought was fairly well thought out. People need to ask themselves some serious questions about approach and if certain people are leadership material.

    http://www.returnofkings.com/128371/charlottesville-was-a-disaster-for-the-dissident-right

    I'll tell you one thing, if that lady (that was hit and killed by the car) was pregnant that would have been end game right there. This is big time now and people still think this is dress rehearsal.

    Peace.

    Everything is spin.

    Personally, I don’t even know what the alt-right is anymore. I used to think I was alt-right, being in practice an accidentalist along the lines of Gil-Robles and an unabashed Franquist whose great political heroes were of the Vendee. But it seems I am not. Charlottesville certainly wasn’t a disaster for me.

    Who leads the alt-right? It is not a coherent movement and it has no ideology. If it is shorthand for white identity politics, these do not look like going away.

    Polarization is not a bad thing for the right, down the road. There is a good parallel here with bin Laden, though of course a Muslim has to do a lot worse things to get accepted as an enemy than do white rightists (spin again).

    What would a pregnant woman have been doing at a rally that was essentially a fistfight anyway? Has the world gone madder than I thought?

    (At Talha’s comment #162 in case this gets transposed)

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    It is not a coherent movement and it has no ideology.
     
    As of now, I second this.

    There is a good parallel here with bin Laden
     
    Indeed - and later mutations like Daesh. I had an email conversation about this with another brother regarding the rally:
    "There is a price for coddling extremism and stupidity - we learned that from Daesh. They took an idea that was in the hearts of millions of traditional Muslims - the restoration of the Caliphate - and crapped all over it. Now you can't even mention it without being laughed at and having a knee jerk reaction from millions of Muslims; 'yeah, you mean like those guys - har har'"

    And they were eventually crushed by a coalition of Muslims who were willing to give up their lives in the conflict in large numbers. These Muslim fighters like Hezbollah and others photographed themselves holding the Daesh flag (which has the testification of faith) upside down. There is a lesson in this for others if they care to listen.

    Idiots and extremists from among your ranks can cause more damage and set your own cause back far more than the opposition.


    What would a pregnant woman have been doing at a rally that was essentially a fistfight anyway?
     
    This is where one can't let the other side be seen in pure black and white either. There are plenty of regular people that might have come out against a rally seen as a white identitarian or supremacist rally and not expected trouble. Look at this photo that Priss posted here:
    http://www.unz.com/akarlin/cville-war/#comment-1968608

    Right next to an athletic Black guy with a torch gun or flame thrower is some grandpa looking dude. Do you think he came to throw down? He looks confused.

    Peace.

    , @Anon
    Alas, the Comment Demon strikes again. #194 was a reply to #192 and #193 to #144.
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  196. @Priss Factor
    Alt Right was set up like Vito Corleone(in hospital) was set up.

    Charlottesville Was A Total Setup:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-IN-AQBwF0

    https://youtu.be/4E7VvWDKVLM?t=1m45s

    “the police stood down . . . They were laughing at us behind our backs . . . They didn’t protect us.”

    What is the relationship of the sacrifice of the 32-year old Charlottesville woman to the on-screen killing of Neda?

    Let’s revisit the attack on Scalise: What was his security detail doing sitting in the van? Did they imagine that someone who had evil designs on Their Man would attack the van and by so doing harm Scalise? Who were they supposed to be protecting — themselves/ their ride, or the congressman?

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  197. MarkinLA says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    You have to dig a little deeper to recognize the importance of Robert E Lee.

    Reaganites ought to love him: Lee was opposed to centralized government; in his view, as expressed in correspondence w/ Lord Acton, the individual sovereignty of states, which included the right to secede, was the sole bulwark -- and genius -- of American Constitutional Republic. Without that sovereignty, the centralized state would agglomerate power to the extent that it could wage war at will, and no force of the people or any other entity could control it. this was understood and expressed in the 1860s by Acton, who was a counselor to Gladstone, in Britain's government.

    The British supported the Confederacy NOT because they supported state's rights -- they didn't, the British thought the US Constitution established an Athenian (majoritarian) democracy that would fail like all other such democracies. Acton understood the crucial importance of Federalism/the superiority of State's Rights as a check on the power of the central government.

    Some of us met in a coffee shop Sunday and started talking about Korea; we mentioned that US killed 3 million NKoreans; dropped more bombs on Korea than all of WWII. One of the guys said, "Well, Sherman destroyed Atlanta: when people are in war, they will do anything to win. Winning is the only thing."
    Others of us raised the Morality question: Is it moral to kill civilians, on a mass scale? Since when is that a noble war? or a just war?
    YET Sherman's scorched earth - march to the sea is the template on which US fought Germany -- utter destruction was the goal, not a happenstance; unconditional surrender was demanded.
    That reduces USA -- WE, Americans -- to savages, not the bastion of civilization.

    Tearing down Robert E Lee allows us to cover up that crime against humanity, just as holocaust museums and the dogmatization of the holocaust narrative allows us to omit reference to our own crimes against humanity -- and so we repeat them and repeat them.

    How many of the dumbos who shrieked their way thru Charlottesville have a clue what Lee stood for? Better they should tear down Lincoln's monument (and the holocaust freak shows) than Lee monuments.

    Jews are using blacks -- again -- for their own purposes.

    Spencer and the other Alt Right spokespersons need to be smarter, take a different approach.

    Years ago some uber Christian group had pizza-bible studies on community college campuses. The pizza was free and it was not that hard to tune out the saccharin jeezuss luvs u msg. A similar approach might work re the "Unite the Right" pov.
    I'd change the name of the movement to American Heritage Renaissance or something like that; I think the "white" thing is kinda stupid: our European heritage is not "white" it's European, and each European point of origin is different from the other. I'm reading Dinesh D'Souza's new money bomb -- it's dreadful -- he doesn't know the difference between Nazism (more accurately, National Socialism) and Fascism -- the Italian context was quite different from the German situation; both were different from Russian, and from French, and from British. Some foreign policy wonks defer to George Kenan's Telegram, and mention that he read Russian literature, but he went deeper than that: he read Russian literature IN RUSSIAN; he understood the soul of the people, and tried to tell American FP makers that they had to do the same. FPers bastardized his recommendations, just used it as a tactic to coerce Russia, not understand culturally.
    No one talks about zionism, the most important of the -isms of that era and the only one that perdured with the most deleterious impact.

    I'd have read-ins, salons and house parties to inform/educate, activate people about these topics. I'd have essay contests -- pull together $20 k and offer prizes for the best High School essay/video, best college essay/video on a selected topic. I wish I could get my brain to sit still long enough to put together a set of questions about "fascism" and "Nazism" , then spend a week in a town like Charlottesville, asking people-on-the-street these questions and, I suspect, disclosing how little they know about what they are talking about.

    I am convinced beyond a doubt that "antifa" has no clue whatsoever what fascism stands for. It's surprising they can handle three syllables.

    It's a shame Trump condemned "Nazis" -- there is no topic that is less understood -- or about which people -- young people especially -- are more misinformed, less critically aware, than the world wars. They have a direct bearing on the wars/foreign policy US is involved in today, and they WILL destroy the USA, just as Acton and Robert E Lee warned. People need to learn about this, and to gain the courage to speak truth to PTB. Yahoo reports that people were fired when their photo showed they'd attended the Protest, and families are denouncing family members for participation: clear sign that tender nerves are being pinched. Actually a good sign.

    If you love your country, deny the holocaust!

    YET Sherman’s scorched earth – march to the sea is the template on which US fought Germany — utter destruction was the goal, not a happenstance; unconditional surrender was demanded.

    It wasn’t utter destruction it was the acknowledgement that modern warfare is a fight between every element of society. An army cannot fight without the people back home making the implements of war.

    When both sides ran toward each other with swords and spears it really didn’t matter what the civilian population was doing. The US was just revitalizing the type of war prior to the age of chivalry where towns were laid siege and no quarter was given if the city refused to surrender at the first sight of the enemy preparing for a siege.

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    So you admit the Americans are barbarians? (Actually that's a little unfair to barbarians, who typically have the decency to spare us the sanctimony.)
    , @SolontoCroesus
    so all of Churchill's rhetoric about "saving civilization" was what -- a lie??
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  198. @Talha
    Somebody sent me RooshV's take on the rally which I thought was fairly well thought out. People need to ask themselves some serious questions about approach and if certain people are leadership material.

    http://www.returnofkings.com/128371/charlottesville-was-a-disaster-for-the-dissident-right

    I'll tell you one thing, if that lady (that was hit and killed by the car) was pregnant that would have been end game right there. This is big time now and people still think this is dress rehearsal.

    Peace.

    Excellent link.

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  199. Talha says:
    @Anon
    Au contraire, despair is a sin.

    Sure – but it is one of the gravest of sins. Those who do not repent of it, have themselves elected to be forsaken. Why should one have any expectation of succor or victory through Him if one has already written Him off?

    Peace.

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  200. anarchyst says:
    @Talha
    Hey anarchyst,

    Doesn't matter - when you are organizing a rally you shut that crap down - and fast. You do not let fools on their side or on yours set the agenda.

    I remember we organized a rally in front of the Israeli embassy (in LA) over one of their bombardments (I think it was over the bombing of an official UN refugee camp - it was almost 20 years ago). I remember we came out with flags and what not and from one car some guys brought out Irani flags. In principle, we had no real issues with Iran since they were supporting Palestinians. We were nice about it, but we were firm - we told them that we were not going to distract the issue and that they were welcome to rally with us, but they could not bring any other flags than the Palestinian one. They didn't like it, but relented. Were they people on our side or the other? Didn't matter, we weren't going to have a picture on the news with us being painted as Iranian proxies such that our message was simply dismissed.

    Peace.

    You are correct. The organizers should have gone after these poseurs immediately. However, it is possible that things happened so fast, with the lack of “law enforcement” action, these left-wing loonies were able to demonize the alt-right by posing as nazis and kkk types. Regards,

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  201. Talha says:
    @Anon
    Everything is spin.

    Personally, I don't even know what the alt-right is anymore. I used to think I was alt-right, being in practice an accidentalist along the lines of Gil-Robles and an unabashed Franquist whose great political heroes were of the Vendee. But it seems I am not. Charlottesville certainly wasn't a disaster for me.

    Who leads the alt-right? It is not a coherent movement and it has no ideology. If it is shorthand for white identity politics, these do not look like going away.

    Polarization is not a bad thing for the right, down the road. There is a good parallel here with bin Laden, though of course a Muslim has to do a lot worse things to get accepted as an enemy than do white rightists (spin again).

    What would a pregnant woman have been doing at a rally that was essentially a fistfight anyway? Has the world gone madder than I thought?

    (At Talha's comment #162 in case this gets transposed)

    It is not a coherent movement and it has no ideology.

    As of now, I second this.

    There is a good parallel here with bin Laden

    Indeed – and later mutations like Daesh. I had an email conversation about this with another brother regarding the rally:
    “There is a price for coddling extremism and stupidity – we learned that from Daesh. They took an idea that was in the hearts of millions of traditional Muslims – the restoration of the Caliphate – and crapped all over it. Now you can’t even mention it without being laughed at and having a knee jerk reaction from millions of Muslims; ‘yeah, you mean like those guys – har har’”

    And they were eventually crushed by a coalition of Muslims who were willing to give up their lives in the conflict in large numbers. These Muslim fighters like Hezbollah and others photographed themselves holding the Daesh flag (which has the testification of faith) upside down. There is a lesson in this for others if they care to listen.

    Idiots and extremists from among your ranks can cause more damage and set your own cause back far more than the opposition.

    What would a pregnant woman have been doing at a rally that was essentially a fistfight anyway?

    This is where one can’t let the other side be seen in pure black and white either. There are plenty of regular people that might have come out against a rally seen as a white identitarian or supremacist rally and not expected trouble. Look at this photo that Priss posted here:

    http://www.unz.com/akarlin/cville-war/#comment-1968608

    Right next to an athletic Black guy with a torch gun or flame thrower is some grandpa looking dude. Do you think he came to throw down? He looks confused.

    Peace.

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    some grandpa looking dude. Do you think he came to throw down? He looks confused.

    Happens to us grandpas all the time. Of course looking at the parasol contraption attached to his crotch makes me think that he may have heard that many of those hippie SJW girls were hot to trot and easy.

    , @Anon
    (Reply to #202)
    The most inoffensive of protests at least moderately sized is one thrown brick at a hotheaded cop away from a rout. Also, would an antifa type or at least a generic leftist, who came out to protest the presence of Nazis and "white supremacists", expect the latter to be peaceful?

    Street politics are no place for pregnant women. Either side should have been ashamed if it allowed or, worse, encouraged their participation.
    , @Randal

    It is not a coherent movement and it has no ideology.

    As of now, I second this.
     

    You've only just noticed?

    It's never been a coherent movement, and that's been pointed out here and elsewhere in response to various leftist demonisation attempts repeatedly. It's nothing to do with Charlottesville, where a peaceful, lawful political gathering seems to have been the victim of characteristically violent leftist "demonstrators" abetted by political authorities ordering the police to stand aside.


    “There is a price for coddling extremism and stupidity – we learned that from Daesh. They took an idea that was in the hearts of millions of traditional Muslims – the restoration of the Caliphate – and crapped all over it. Now you can’t even mention it without being laughed at and having a knee jerk reaction from millions of Muslims; ‘yeah, you mean like those guys – har har’”
     
    Rather ignoring the degree to which what counts as "extremism and stupidity" is determined by who wins. People like you (I mean sensible, respectable folk, not muslims) were denouncing as "extremist idiots" people who championed votes for poor men, votes for women, gay marriage, the ending of slavery - just about every radical cause in human history - before it became fashionable to support them. When such causes were defeated they went down in history as extremist stupidity. When they triumphed they became the next orthodoxy.

    And as far as Daesh are concerned, for all their faults (and I'm certainly not a supporter), they certainly got closer to creating a Caliphate than you and your fellow respectable, sensible types ever would have or probably will. They are going down in the end partly because they faced overwhelming odds, despite the support they had from those seeking to use them, in the Saudi, Israeli, Turkish and US regimes.

    Had they succeeded in establishing a lasting state, future generations of muslims would doubtless have hailed them as glorious heroes. I rather doubt that happens often to sensible, cautious folk. Then again the sensible cautious folk are less likely to die violent deaths as ignominious failures, of course.

    On the particular case of the more extreme manifestations of the political right - Nazis, white supremacists and such, they are needed to ensure there is some political balance. If the extreme communists and anti-white racists of the left are part of legitimate discourse (and they have been for decades), then so must be the nazis and white supremacists. Probably nothing has done more harm to the politics of the nations of the modern US sphere than the nazism and racism taboos, and they must in the end be smashed no matter what the cost, if there is to be any halt to the slide to disaster. Trying to accommodate to the taboos has been done for decades, and has demonstrably failed.

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  202. @Maus
    Thanks for responding. I think you nailed it. I'm a trad and was a reluctant, anyone-but-Her Trump voter. Pretty disappointed with everything but the Gorsuch appointment so far. My sister is a classic Kumbiyah, love the Jesuits on social justice type. I cancelled out her Hillary vote. Only point of disagreement is that the GenX lapsi nephews and nieces were all Sandernistas. Don't know what they ultimately did, but I am guessing it wasn't Trump.

    One of Hillary’s dealbreakers (she had so many) was her tendency to cuddle up to groups who were slaughtering Christians all over the globe. Trump’s strongest appeal for many people was that he promised to do something about limiting entry of those groups into this country. To some extent, he has been impeded by Congress, but he also distracted himself with Twitter feuds with everyone from NoKo to Venezuela. What happened to “America First”?

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  203. @MarkinLA
    YET Sherman’s scorched earth – march to the sea is the template on which US fought Germany — utter destruction was the goal, not a happenstance; unconditional surrender was demanded.

    It wasn't utter destruction it was the acknowledgement that modern warfare is a fight between every element of society. An army cannot fight without the people back home making the implements of war.

    When both sides ran toward each other with swords and spears it really didn't matter what the civilian population was doing. The US was just revitalizing the type of war prior to the age of chivalry where towns were laid siege and no quarter was given if the city refused to surrender at the first sight of the enemy preparing for a siege.

    So you admit the Americans are barbarians? (Actually that’s a little unfair to barbarians, who typically have the decency to spare us the sanctimony.)

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    Everybody is a barbarian at heart.
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  204. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Anon
    Everything is spin.

    Personally, I don't even know what the alt-right is anymore. I used to think I was alt-right, being in practice an accidentalist along the lines of Gil-Robles and an unabashed Franquist whose great political heroes were of the Vendee. But it seems I am not. Charlottesville certainly wasn't a disaster for me.

    Who leads the alt-right? It is not a coherent movement and it has no ideology. If it is shorthand for white identity politics, these do not look like going away.

    Polarization is not a bad thing for the right, down the road. There is a good parallel here with bin Laden, though of course a Muslim has to do a lot worse things to get accepted as an enemy than do white rightists (spin again).

    What would a pregnant woman have been doing at a rally that was essentially a fistfight anyway? Has the world gone madder than I thought?

    (At Talha's comment #162 in case this gets transposed)

    Alas, the Comment Demon strikes again. #194 was a reply to #192 and #193 to #144.

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  205. iffen says:
    @Talha

    It is not a coherent movement and it has no ideology.
     
    As of now, I second this.

    There is a good parallel here with bin Laden
     
    Indeed - and later mutations like Daesh. I had an email conversation about this with another brother regarding the rally:
    "There is a price for coddling extremism and stupidity - we learned that from Daesh. They took an idea that was in the hearts of millions of traditional Muslims - the restoration of the Caliphate - and crapped all over it. Now you can't even mention it without being laughed at and having a knee jerk reaction from millions of Muslims; 'yeah, you mean like those guys - har har'"

    And they were eventually crushed by a coalition of Muslims who were willing to give up their lives in the conflict in large numbers. These Muslim fighters like Hezbollah and others photographed themselves holding the Daesh flag (which has the testification of faith) upside down. There is a lesson in this for others if they care to listen.

    Idiots and extremists from among your ranks can cause more damage and set your own cause back far more than the opposition.


    What would a pregnant woman have been doing at a rally that was essentially a fistfight anyway?
     
    This is where one can't let the other side be seen in pure black and white either. There are plenty of regular people that might have come out against a rally seen as a white identitarian or supremacist rally and not expected trouble. Look at this photo that Priss posted here:
    http://www.unz.com/akarlin/cville-war/#comment-1968608

    Right next to an athletic Black guy with a torch gun or flame thrower is some grandpa looking dude. Do you think he came to throw down? He looks confused.

    Peace.

    some grandpa looking dude. Do you think he came to throw down? He looks confused.

    Happens to us grandpas all the time. Of course looking at the parasol contraption attached to his crotch makes me think that he may have heard that many of those hippie SJW girls were hot to trot and easy.

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    LOL! Well that would certainly account for the look of confusion! Also, it looks like someone else is holding the flower and he may have been struck in the crotch with it - which would also explain the confused look (and he looks like he is wincing).

    "I came to the anti-Nazi rally and all I got was a giant flower in the groin." - idea for a refrigerator magnet

    Peace.
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  206. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Talha

    It is not a coherent movement and it has no ideology.
     
    As of now, I second this.

    There is a good parallel here with bin Laden
     
    Indeed - and later mutations like Daesh. I had an email conversation about this with another brother regarding the rally:
    "There is a price for coddling extremism and stupidity - we learned that from Daesh. They took an idea that was in the hearts of millions of traditional Muslims - the restoration of the Caliphate - and crapped all over it. Now you can't even mention it without being laughed at and having a knee jerk reaction from millions of Muslims; 'yeah, you mean like those guys - har har'"

    And they were eventually crushed by a coalition of Muslims who were willing to give up their lives in the conflict in large numbers. These Muslim fighters like Hezbollah and others photographed themselves holding the Daesh flag (which has the testification of faith) upside down. There is a lesson in this for others if they care to listen.

    Idiots and extremists from among your ranks can cause more damage and set your own cause back far more than the opposition.


    What would a pregnant woman have been doing at a rally that was essentially a fistfight anyway?
     
    This is where one can't let the other side be seen in pure black and white either. There are plenty of regular people that might have come out against a rally seen as a white identitarian or supremacist rally and not expected trouble. Look at this photo that Priss posted here:
    http://www.unz.com/akarlin/cville-war/#comment-1968608

    Right next to an athletic Black guy with a torch gun or flame thrower is some grandpa looking dude. Do you think he came to throw down? He looks confused.

    Peace.

    (Reply to #202)
    The most inoffensive of protests at least moderately sized is one thrown brick at a hotheaded cop away from a rout. Also, would an antifa type or at least a generic leftist, who came out to protest the presence of Nazis and “white supremacists”, expect the latter to be peaceful?

    Street politics are no place for pregnant women. Either side should have been ashamed if it allowed or, worse, encouraged their participation.

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    Street politics are no place for pregnant women.
     
    Agreed - or skinny grandpas, but there they are.

    Peace.
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  207. MarkinLA says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty
    So you admit the Americans are barbarians? (Actually that's a little unfair to barbarians, who typically have the decency to spare us the sanctimony.)

    Everybody is a barbarian at heart.

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  208. @MarkinLA
    YET Sherman’s scorched earth – march to the sea is the template on which US fought Germany — utter destruction was the goal, not a happenstance; unconditional surrender was demanded.

    It wasn't utter destruction it was the acknowledgement that modern warfare is a fight between every element of society. An army cannot fight without the people back home making the implements of war.

    When both sides ran toward each other with swords and spears it really didn't matter what the civilian population was doing. The US was just revitalizing the type of war prior to the age of chivalry where towns were laid siege and no quarter was given if the city refused to surrender at the first sight of the enemy preparing for a siege.

    so all of Churchill’s rhetoric about “saving civilization” was what — a lie??

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    Yes.
    , @MarkinLA
    The British were preparing for war with the US after WWI because the US was building a navy to rival theirs. The British (IMHO) pushed for the start of WWI because they knew the High Seas Fleet was about to become the equal of the Grand Fleet. Britain has always chosen a path of allying with those who pose a direct challenge to their main competitor. So Britain was doing what it always does.

    The fact that Hitler was crazy simply helped him pull it off. Hitler was not going to be stopped with anything short of war. This garbage that he was defending the west from communism is ridiculous. The idea that he was defending Germans in Poland is also ridiculous. What about all those Poles who had to live under Prussian, Austrian, and Russian rule? No, those people aren't allowed to be embittered over what happened to them? If there was conflict, Germany should have offered to move all those Germans out of Poland and settled them in Germany. He got the Sudetenland and still occupied Czechoslovakia.
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  209. Ron Unz says:
    @Talha
    Hey anarchyst,

    Doesn't matter - when you are organizing a rally you shut that crap down - and fast. You do not let fools on their side or on yours set the agenda.

    I remember we organized a rally in front of the Israeli embassy (in LA) over one of their bombardments (I think it was over the bombing of an official UN refugee camp - it was almost 20 years ago). I remember we came out with flags and what not and from one car some guys brought out Irani flags. In principle, we had no real issues with Iran since they were supporting Palestinians. We were nice about it, but we were firm - we told them that we were not going to distract the issue and that they were welcome to rally with us, but they could not bring any other flags than the Palestinian one. They didn't like it, but relented. Were they people on our side or the other? Didn't matter, we weren't going to have a picture on the news with us being painted as Iranian proxies such that our message was simply dismissed.

    Peace.

    Doesn’t matter – when you are organizing a rally you shut that crap down – and fast. You do not let fools on their side or on yours set the agenda.

    I remember we organized a rally in front of the Israeli embassy (in LA) over one of their bombardments (I think it was over the bombing of an official UN refugee camp – it was almost 20 years ago).

    But here’s a closely related question…

    I’ve been busy with my software work, but my strong impression is that the overwhelming majority of the violence at Charlottesville came from the “antifa” protesters, although the MSM uniformly implies the exact opposite.

    Consider your anti-Israel protest rally from 20 years ago. Suppose you’d all been violently attacked by a mob of counter-demonstrators wielding clubs, rocks, pepper-spray, and bags of urine, with the police standing down and allowing the attacks to occur (or even facilitating them). Meanwhile, the MSM portrayed your side as the instigators of the violence. How would you and your fellow demonstrators have handled the situation?

    Also, there seem to be fairly plausible claims floating around that the car driver was under deadly threat from the clubs of a mob, and his attempt to escape caused him to hit those pedestrians, some of whom were perhaps part of that mob. If so, it does cast a different light on the situation…

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    It's almost as if we can't rely upon the integrity and professionalism of our MSM anymore.

    What, oh what, are we to do?
    , @Talha
    Hey Mr. Unz,

    Meanwhile, the MSM portrayed your side as the instigators of the violence.
     
    This is assumed to be axiomatic when you are a Muslim. We knew this - we expected this - going into any of our protests. One of the protests we had on campus, was a silent protest where we came out on Israeli independence day and stood completely silent with signs. The Israelis were trying to celebrate but could not with our presence. We had multiple meetings with the brothers to make sure they understood, we would remain silent - no matter what they said, they even insulted the Prophet (pbuh) to our faces, but we didn't break discipline. I remember that we even had practice on how to remove anyone from within our ranks that was breaking with discipline without causing a scene. We knew if any punch was thrown, we would be assumed to be guilty and operated with that in mind. The result was beautiful; it ruined their celebration and got us exactly the publicity we wanted in the campus paper. In fact, later that year, other campus groups looked to us for leadership and guidance.

    How would you and your fellow demonstrators have handled the situation?
     
    The other nice thing about being Muslim and assumed to be violent is that people avoid violent confrontations with you. So we weren't too worried about that. But if it had happened, the best thing to do is form an outer cordon and encircle the women to protect them from violence. You have to practice these things and think them out ahead of time. If you do that in a disciplined way, no one is going to call you out for defensively circling the wagons to protect your women folk. And they won't be getting anything they can publish on video or photos that they can use to throw you against a wall. And if people who are leading aren't doing this kind of preparation, they aren't leading. Sometimes that's the best you can do - you go home, lick your wounds and learn and prepare for next time. That RooshV article I linked to outlines some good steps*.

    If so, it does cast a different light on the situation…
     
    Indeed. As I said on another post, it looks like it was premeditated to me, but I also recognize how these things can get confusing (having been in multiple rallies) and people can panic and only think about survival. We'll see how the trial goes.

    Peace.

    *Things have to be done in a disciplined, patient way. You cannot overturn decades of mistakes and propaganda and state-accepted violence within a few years. anybody who thinks so is an amateur. I want to explain a case in point - Syria.

    Syria was a very secular country with a secular minority regime. People think right now, the Baathist-Alawis won. Wrong. That's only what the short term looks like. In the long term, the society is becoming more and more Islamic and the lion's share of the credit goes to the low-key women's movements and their circles of learning (http://www.nytimes.com/ref/world/middleeast/29syria.html) - especially those that hook into them the daughters and wives of the elite. No big rallies, those would in fact draw too much attention. The Alawis will eventually be absorbed; some key Assad family have become Shiah and Bashar married a Sunni. They publish dozens of pictures of him praying like a Sunni. Even Russia's involvement is mostly positive; 1) now there is a disciplined Sunni Chechen tripwire force to prevent Israeli and US aggression and 2) there are now official religious connections between the ulema of Damascus and Chechnya - they will be opening a school there populated by Damascene scholars - Do you know how long someone like me has been waiting for this to happen?

    What's my point? You cannot rush these things, they will have their own momentum once they reach critical mass levels. What is critical right now to the Alt-right is women - they need to convince their women about the correctness of their goals - their women control the next generation. Otherwise this is all nonsense.

    There is an exchange I was told by a Shiah friend between Khomeini and the Shah when he was being sent into exile. The Shah laughed at him for being powerless and mocked him, "where is your army?" and he replied, "they are nursing at the breasts of their mothers."
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  210. Talha says:
    @iffen
    some grandpa looking dude. Do you think he came to throw down? He looks confused.

    Happens to us grandpas all the time. Of course looking at the parasol contraption attached to his crotch makes me think that he may have heard that many of those hippie SJW girls were hot to trot and easy.

    LOL! Well that would certainly account for the look of confusion! Also, it looks like someone else is holding the flower and he may have been struck in the crotch with it – which would also explain the confused look (and he looks like he is wincing).

    “I came to the anti-Nazi rally and all I got was a giant flower in the groin.” – idea for a refrigerator magnet

    Peace.

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  211. Talha says:
    @Anon
    (Reply to #202)
    The most inoffensive of protests at least moderately sized is one thrown brick at a hotheaded cop away from a rout. Also, would an antifa type or at least a generic leftist, who came out to protest the presence of Nazis and "white supremacists", expect the latter to be peaceful?

    Street politics are no place for pregnant women. Either side should have been ashamed if it allowed or, worse, encouraged their participation.

    Street politics are no place for pregnant women.

    Agreed – or skinny grandpas, but there they are.

    Peace.

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    I'd be inclined to give skinny grandpas more of a pass-- floral protective gear may not have been the best option though.
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  212. Rurik says:
    @Stan d Mute

    if you can’t leave for S. America (actually far, far more accommodating than ((N. America)) for white folks, then at least head to some place like N. Dakota or Idaho or even Nebraska is better than the alternative you speak of.
     
    In all my travels, the best midsize city I found was Spokane. Salt Lake/Provo would come next but for the truly bizarre cult based there. Too much of a Stepford Wives vibe and they're too friendly now with the diversities. If their leaders say diversities are good they all follow in lockstep like lemmings off a cliff. There are many great small towns left and they're everywhere, but if you can't telecommute, you have to find contentment working at the local feed store. And of course eventually they'll all get their own Somali resettlement so it's just a matter of time.

    I've been advocating an exodus to S America for nearly two decades, but it's too late for me. Going off grid in the Great White North (i.e. Becoming a yooper) is possible perhaps, but never easy. So I sit in a place surrounded by white liberals who turn my stomach knowing that they'll all be eaten first.

    So I sit in a place surrounded by white liberals who turn my stomach knowing that they’ll all be eaten first.

    reminds me of Boulder, CO

    which is actually a great place, because like so many bastions of liberalism, the only reason they still are is because they haven’t lived with diversity up close and personal… yet.

    I watched them tear down some confederate statue last night on the TV, and realized that it was an orchestrated event, at a public facility, during the middle of the daylight, and yet there wasn’t so much a security guard to protest.

    and this is the thing…

    the people vandalizing the property were all on video. I’m pretty sure such acts are still putatively illegal, but where is the news of arrests?!

    if a white guy knocked over the MLK statue, or scrawled graffiti on the Holocaust museum, and put his face all over the Internet doing it, is there a chance that he might be charged with something?

    and yet I haven’t heard one peep from anywhere asking if these vandals will be so much as given a ticket for littering

    if this is the new paradigm, where -putatively human- criminals

    are given full reign by the police and authorities to destroy the cultural icons of America’s traditions and heritage, with full impunity, then we’re heading into a very dangerous time indeed.

    The deepstate Jews and assorted scumfucks must feel like it’s now or never. Perhaps they’re afraid of their 9/11 narrative falling apart, or are sensing that there’s a tipping point being reached with the Internet exposing too many of their crimes to keep a lid on it anymore, that they’ve decided to create an actual civil war here in the States.

    IDK

    but if none of those vandals are so much as even criticized, let alone arrested and shown doing a perp walk, then whoo-boy are we headed into dangerous times

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    reminds me of Boulder, CO
     
    Except we were like Boulder before Boulder had any year round residents. And we are MUCH closer to Detroit. So more liberal, under more direct threat from the Africans, and no magnificent canyon roads for sports cars in summertime.

    but if none of those vandals are so much as even criticized, let alone arrested and shown doing a perp walk, then whoo-boy are we headed into dangerous times

     

    Wasn't that in Durham? They're expressing their power in these communist factories pretending to be universities, treading ever so carefully along the Mason-Dixon. I'm not sure how their act would play in other locales -- I see they're floating again the idea of scrubbing Stone Mountain and I suspect they'll find more resistance than in liberal Durham. But you're correct that they play with fire regardless. They control the hammer of government, but unless they want full blown Civil War 2.0 they have to use locals to crush their own. Sending in carpetbaggers will just light the fuse. And while we can no longer hope to fight our government, when their instrument of power against us lives down the road with his family.. Beyond the South there's the whole Intermountain West and it's fierce independent streak plus the quietly very angry Midwest and Northeast all of which will become difficult to manage if they see government stomping too happily on the faces of everyday Americans.
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  213. @Beefcake the Mighty
    "Either Jews are brilliant conspirators, or they are self-destructive morons who aren’t paying attention "

    Could be a combination of both, no? Historically Jewish-led revolutionary movements have always over-played their hand and engendered a backlash against the prominent (and socially isolated) leadership, as with Stain vs. the Trotskyites.

    There are fewer fiery Simon Zealotes types than there are sheep who got the same save-the-trees public school indoctrination most millennials get. Canon fodder–and no, that’s not a misspelling.

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  214. iffen says:
    @Ron Unz

    Doesn’t matter – when you are organizing a rally you shut that crap down – and fast. You do not let fools on their side or on yours set the agenda.

    I remember we organized a rally in front of the Israeli embassy (in LA) over one of their bombardments (I think it was over the bombing of an official UN refugee camp – it was almost 20 years ago).
     
    But here's a closely related question...

    I've been busy with my software work, but my strong impression is that the overwhelming majority of the violence at Charlottesville came from the "antifa" protesters, although the MSM uniformly implies the exact opposite.

    Consider your anti-Israel protest rally from 20 years ago. Suppose you'd all been violently attacked by a mob of counter-demonstrators wielding clubs, rocks, pepper-spray, and bags of urine, with the police standing down and allowing the attacks to occur (or even facilitating them). Meanwhile, the MSM portrayed your side as the instigators of the violence. How would you and your fellow demonstrators have handled the situation?

    Also, there seem to be fairly plausible claims floating around that the car driver was under deadly threat from the clubs of a mob, and his attempt to escape caused him to hit those pedestrians, some of whom were perhaps part of that mob. If so, it does cast a different light on the situation...

    It’s almost as if we can’t rely upon the integrity and professionalism of our MSM anymore.

    What, oh what, are we to do?

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  216. Randal says:
    @Talha

    It is not a coherent movement and it has no ideology.
     
    As of now, I second this.

    There is a good parallel here with bin Laden
     
    Indeed - and later mutations like Daesh. I had an email conversation about this with another brother regarding the rally:
    "There is a price for coddling extremism and stupidity - we learned that from Daesh. They took an idea that was in the hearts of millions of traditional Muslims - the restoration of the Caliphate - and crapped all over it. Now you can't even mention it without being laughed at and having a knee jerk reaction from millions of Muslims; 'yeah, you mean like those guys - har har'"

    And they were eventually crushed by a coalition of Muslims who were willing to give up their lives in the conflict in large numbers. These Muslim fighters like Hezbollah and others photographed themselves holding the Daesh flag (which has the testification of faith) upside down. There is a lesson in this for others if they care to listen.

    Idiots and extremists from among your ranks can cause more damage and set your own cause back far more than the opposition.


    What would a pregnant woman have been doing at a rally that was essentially a fistfight anyway?
     
    This is where one can't let the other side be seen in pure black and white either. There are plenty of regular people that might have come out against a rally seen as a white identitarian or supremacist rally and not expected trouble. Look at this photo that Priss posted here:
    http://www.unz.com/akarlin/cville-war/#comment-1968608

    Right next to an athletic Black guy with a torch gun or flame thrower is some grandpa looking dude. Do you think he came to throw down? He looks confused.

    Peace.

    It is not a coherent movement and it has no ideology.

    As of now, I second this.

    You’ve only just noticed?

    It’s never been a coherent movement, and that’s been pointed out here and elsewhere in response to various leftist demonisation attempts repeatedly. It’s nothing to do with Charlottesville, where a peaceful, lawful political gathering seems to have been the victim of characteristically violent leftist “demonstrators” abetted by political authorities ordering the police to stand aside.

    “There is a price for coddling extremism and stupidity – we learned that from Daesh. They took an idea that was in the hearts of millions of traditional Muslims – the restoration of the Caliphate – and crapped all over it. Now you can’t even mention it without being laughed at and having a knee jerk reaction from millions of Muslims; ‘yeah, you mean like those guys – har har’”

    Rather ignoring the degree to which what counts as “extremism and stupidity” is determined by who wins. People like you (I mean sensible, respectable folk, not muslims) were denouncing as “extremist idiots” people who championed votes for poor men, votes for women, gay marriage, the ending of slavery – just about every radical cause in human history – before it became fashionable to support them. When such causes were defeated they went down in history as extremist stupidity. When they triumphed they became the next orthodoxy.

    And as far as Daesh are concerned, for all their faults (and I’m certainly not a supporter), they certainly got closer to creating a Caliphate than you and your fellow respectable, sensible types ever would have or probably will. They are going down in the end partly because they faced overwhelming odds, despite the support they had from those seeking to use them, in the Saudi, Israeli, Turkish and US regimes.

    Had they succeeded in establishing a lasting state, future generations of muslims would doubtless have hailed them as glorious heroes. I rather doubt that happens often to sensible, cautious folk. Then again the sensible cautious folk are less likely to die violent deaths as ignominious failures, of course.

    On the particular case of the more extreme manifestations of the political right – Nazis, white supremacists and such, they are needed to ensure there is some political balance. If the extreme communists and anti-white racists of the left are part of legitimate discourse (and they have been for decades), then so must be the nazis and white supremacists. Probably nothing has done more harm to the politics of the nations of the modern US sphere than the nazism and racism taboos, and they must in the end be smashed no matter what the cost, if there is to be any halt to the slide to disaster. Trying to accommodate to the taboos has been done for decades, and has demonstrably failed.

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    Hey Randal,

    It’s never been a coherent movement
     
    Then it will fail - period. A chicken with its head cut off can run around for a while and looks alive...until it drops dead.

    they certainly got closer to creating a Caliphate than you and your fellow respectable, sensible types ever would have or probably will
     
    I can declare a Caliphate in my backyard - nobody will pay attention. The Caliphate (because it has the backing of sacred law behind it) has to have the backing of the ulema, if it doesn't - it fails from the get go. Somebody asked the ulema of India what they thought of Daesh's Caliphate and their answer was simple; we contacted the ulema of Iraq and nobody accepts them - why should we take them seriously?

    Do you seriously think reviving an institution called the Caliphate (which translates to Successor/Steward to the political position of the Messenger of God [pbuh]) is something you whip up overnight? The idea itself is insulting - this isn't a microwave dinner. This is something earned after serious, sincere effort - possibly generations' worth of effort.

    They are going down in the end partly because they faced overwhelming odds
     
    Yeah - it's called not having the overwhelming majority of the Ummah backing you.

    Had they succeeded in establishing a lasting state, future generations of muslims would doubtless have hailed them as glorious heroes.
     
    Yes, but they didn't because they were gun-toting, nihilist fools that didn't understand what they were trying to do other than turn the Euphrates red with blood - mostly Muslim blood.

    Trying to accommodate to the taboos has been done for decades, and has demonstrably failed.
     
    OK - but you don't have to give them ammunition for their narrative either.

    Peace.
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  217. bjondo says:

    Any talking mouth think it funny the cops stood down, backed off, went for doughnuts, because the action was too rough for them (especially after Soros’ Antifa thugs showed up)?

    The protests too violent? Only became cops to eat doughnuts and find money.

    My dog laughs every time this is said.

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  218. Talha says:
    @Ron Unz

    Doesn’t matter – when you are organizing a rally you shut that crap down – and fast. You do not let fools on their side or on yours set the agenda.

    I remember we organized a rally in front of the Israeli embassy (in LA) over one of their bombardments (I think it was over the bombing of an official UN refugee camp – it was almost 20 years ago).
     
    But here's a closely related question...

    I've been busy with my software work, but my strong impression is that the overwhelming majority of the violence at Charlottesville came from the "antifa" protesters, although the MSM uniformly implies the exact opposite.

    Consider your anti-Israel protest rally from 20 years ago. Suppose you'd all been violently attacked by a mob of counter-demonstrators wielding clubs, rocks, pepper-spray, and bags of urine, with the police standing down and allowing the attacks to occur (or even facilitating them). Meanwhile, the MSM portrayed your side as the instigators of the violence. How would you and your fellow demonstrators have handled the situation?

    Also, there seem to be fairly plausible claims floating around that the car driver was under deadly threat from the clubs of a mob, and his attempt to escape caused him to hit those pedestrians, some of whom were perhaps part of that mob. If so, it does cast a different light on the situation...

    Hey Mr. Unz,

    Meanwhile, the MSM portrayed your side as the instigators of the violence.

    This is assumed to be axiomatic when you are a Muslim. We knew this – we expected this – going into any of our protests. One of the protests we had on campus, was a silent protest where we came out on Israeli independence day and stood completely silent with signs. The Israelis were trying to celebrate but could not with our presence. We had multiple meetings with the brothers to make sure they understood, we would remain silent – no matter what they said, they even insulted the Prophet (pbuh) to our faces, but we didn’t break discipline. I remember that we even had practice on how to remove anyone from within our ranks that was breaking with discipline without causing a scene. We knew if any punch was thrown, we would be assumed to be guilty and operated with that in mind. The result was beautiful; it ruined their celebration and got us exactly the publicity we wanted in the campus paper. In fact, later that year, other campus groups looked to us for leadership and guidance.

    How would you and your fellow demonstrators have handled the situation?

    The other nice thing about being Muslim and assumed to be violent is that people avoid violent confrontations with you. So we weren’t too worried about that. But if it had happened, the best thing to do is form an outer cordon and encircle the women to protect them from violence. You have to practice these things and think them out ahead of time. If you do that in a disciplined way, no one is going to call you out for defensively circling the wagons to protect your women folk. And they won’t be getting anything they can publish on video or photos that they can use to throw you against a wall. And if people who are leading aren’t doing this kind of preparation, they aren’t leading. Sometimes that’s the best you can do – you go home, lick your wounds and learn and prepare for next time. That RooshV article I linked to outlines some good steps*.

    If so, it does cast a different light on the situation…

    Indeed. As I said on another post, it looks like it was premeditated to me, but I also recognize how these things can get confusing (having been in multiple rallies) and people can panic and only think about survival. We’ll see how the trial goes.

    Peace.

    *Things have to be done in a disciplined, patient way. You cannot overturn decades of mistakes and propaganda and state-accepted violence within a few years. anybody who thinks so is an amateur. I want to explain a case in point – Syria.

    Syria was a very secular country with a secular minority regime. People think right now, the Baathist-Alawis won. Wrong. That’s only what the short term looks like. In the long term, the society is becoming more and more Islamic and the lion’s share of the credit goes to the low-key women’s movements and their circles of learning (http://www.nytimes.com/ref/world/middleeast/29syria.html) – especially those that hook into them the daughters and wives of the elite. No big rallies, those would in fact draw too much attention. The Alawis will eventually be absorbed; some key Assad family have become Shiah and Bashar married a Sunni. They publish dozens of pictures of him praying like a Sunni. Even Russia’s involvement is mostly positive; 1) now there is a disciplined Sunni Chechen tripwire force to prevent Israeli and US aggression and 2) there are now official religious connections between the ulema of Damascus and Chechnya – they will be opening a school there populated by Damascene scholars – Do you know how long someone like me has been waiting for this to happen?

    What’s my point? You cannot rush these things, they will have their own momentum once they reach critical mass levels. What is critical right now to the Alt-right is women – they need to convince their women about the correctness of their goals – their women control the next generation. Otherwise this is all nonsense.

    There is an exchange I was told by a Shiah friend between Khomeini and the Shah when he was being sent into exile. The Shah laughed at him for being powerless and mocked him, “where is your army?” and he replied, “they are nursing at the breasts of their mothers.”

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    I'm not going to pass judgment on the accuracy of the description you give of the situation in Syria, but it sounds more like a parallel to a common historical phenomenon elsewhere, that of a conquering group assimilating itself into the main stream of society. You see the same thing with China at various times, with the Mughals, with post-Roman Europe, etc.
    , @JackOH
    "And if people who are leading aren’t doing this kind of preparation, they aren’t leading."

    Excellent point, Talha. I've participated in at least one "low-temperature" demonstration in which the leaders did give us some instruction on how to respond to police intervention and counter-protestors, neither of which we encountered. When I did a bit of citizen-activism a while back, I judged, very imperfectly, how my statements would be received by various constituencies. I don't know what to think of Charlottesville yet, but there may be some "demonstration management" issues on the part of the organizers.
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  219. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Talha

    Street politics are no place for pregnant women.
     
    Agreed - or skinny grandpas, but there they are.

    Peace.

    I’d be inclined to give skinny grandpas more of a pass– floral protective gear may not have been the best option though.

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    floral protective gear may not have been the best option though
     
    Who needs anything when you can stand next to a big Black dude with a flamethrower. You can wear a banana suit and you'll be fine - as long as you don't go to close to the flames.

    Peace.

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  220. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Corvinus
    "Because it is their civilization."

    The American civilization is one created by Americans, which includes a host people. This notion of "western civilization" or "The West" is antiquated. Why must ALL white people be compelled to "save it"?

    Because their ancestors created it. They should be the ones trying to save it.

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    "Because their ancestors created it. They should be the ones trying to save it."

    Yes, black, white, red, and yellow ancestors who built America.

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  221. @Pachyderm Pachyderma
    You crossed the red line with Hare Krishna, so now you're going to get it:

    Govinda Jaya Jaya, Gopala Jaya Jaya...

    At our local university, it was the custom among academics from India to go up to Hare Krishners and address them in Sanskrit. You can imagine the results.

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    LOL!

    Though I doubt many serious Hindus would understand either.
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  222. Talha says:
    @Randal

    It is not a coherent movement and it has no ideology.

    As of now, I second this.
     

    You've only just noticed?

    It's never been a coherent movement, and that's been pointed out here and elsewhere in response to various leftist demonisation attempts repeatedly. It's nothing to do with Charlottesville, where a peaceful, lawful political gathering seems to have been the victim of characteristically violent leftist "demonstrators" abetted by political authorities ordering the police to stand aside.


    “There is a price for coddling extremism and stupidity – we learned that from Daesh. They took an idea that was in the hearts of millions of traditional Muslims – the restoration of the Caliphate – and crapped all over it. Now you can’t even mention it without being laughed at and having a knee jerk reaction from millions of Muslims; ‘yeah, you mean like those guys – har har’”
     
    Rather ignoring the degree to which what counts as "extremism and stupidity" is determined by who wins. People like you (I mean sensible, respectable folk, not muslims) were denouncing as "extremist idiots" people who championed votes for poor men, votes for women, gay marriage, the ending of slavery - just about every radical cause in human history - before it became fashionable to support them. When such causes were defeated they went down in history as extremist stupidity. When they triumphed they became the next orthodoxy.

    And as far as Daesh are concerned, for all their faults (and I'm certainly not a supporter), they certainly got closer to creating a Caliphate than you and your fellow respectable, sensible types ever would have or probably will. They are going down in the end partly because they faced overwhelming odds, despite the support they had from those seeking to use them, in the Saudi, Israeli, Turkish and US regimes.

    Had they succeeded in establishing a lasting state, future generations of muslims would doubtless have hailed them as glorious heroes. I rather doubt that happens often to sensible, cautious folk. Then again the sensible cautious folk are less likely to die violent deaths as ignominious failures, of course.

    On the particular case of the more extreme manifestations of the political right - Nazis, white supremacists and such, they are needed to ensure there is some political balance. If the extreme communists and anti-white racists of the left are part of legitimate discourse (and they have been for decades), then so must be the nazis and white supremacists. Probably nothing has done more harm to the politics of the nations of the modern US sphere than the nazism and racism taboos, and they must in the end be smashed no matter what the cost, if there is to be any halt to the slide to disaster. Trying to accommodate to the taboos has been done for decades, and has demonstrably failed.

    Hey Randal,

    It’s never been a coherent movement

    Then it will fail – period. A chicken with its head cut off can run around for a while and looks alive…until it drops dead.

    they certainly got closer to creating a Caliphate than you and your fellow respectable, sensible types ever would have or probably will

    I can declare a Caliphate in my backyard – nobody will pay attention. The Caliphate (because it has the backing of sacred law behind it) has to have the backing of the ulema, if it doesn’t – it fails from the get go. Somebody asked the ulema of India what they thought of Daesh’s Caliphate and their answer was simple; we contacted the ulema of Iraq and nobody accepts them – why should we take them seriously?

    Do you seriously think reviving an institution called the Caliphate (which translates to Successor/Steward to the political position of the Messenger of God [pbuh]) is something you whip up overnight? The idea itself is insulting – this isn’t a microwave dinner. This is something earned after serious, sincere effort – possibly generations’ worth of effort.

    They are going down in the end partly because they faced overwhelming odds

    Yeah – it’s called not having the overwhelming majority of the Ummah backing you.

    Had they succeeded in establishing a lasting state, future generations of muslims would doubtless have hailed them as glorious heroes.

    Yes, but they didn’t because they were gun-toting, nihilist fools that didn’t understand what they were trying to do other than turn the Euphrates red with blood – mostly Muslim blood.

    Trying to accommodate to the taboos has been done for decades, and has demonstrably failed.

    OK – but you don’t have to give them ammunition for their narrative either.

    Peace.

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    Mass movements are usually incoherent. When they win, or sometimes before then, they are taken over by a coherent element within them. Of course they quite often lose.
    , @Randal

    Then it will fail – period. A chicken with its head cut off can run around for a while and looks alive…until it drops dead.
     
    It can't fail because it has no program to fail at. It's just a term for a collection of views that are excluded from mainstream respectability by the currently dominant leftists.


    I can declare a Caliphate in my backyard – nobody will pay attention. The Caliphate (because it has the backing of sacred law behind it) has to have the backing of the ulema, if it doesn’t – it fails from the get go. Somebody asked the ulema of India what they thought of Daesh’s Caliphate and their answer was simple; we contacted the ulema of Iraq and nobody accepts them – why should we take them seriously?
     
    It's amazing how actual power changes opinions on such matters. Religious views aside and without intending offence, what was Mohammed but the Daesh of his time, but one who attacked into a receptive power vacuum and succeeded?

    As for your backyard, at its peak the Islamic State ruled over several major cities and several million people, with an annual budget credibly estimated at $1b and tens of thousands of volunteer adherents.

    Granted the rulers of the Islamic State were largely murderous thugs who'd achieved power by the gun and only thanks to the bloody chaos created by US interference, but if it had succeeded it wouldn't have been the first lasting state founded by such men.

    OK – but you don’t have to give them ammunition for their narrative either.
     
    What actually constitutes ammunition for it is the implicit acceptance of its legitimacy that foolish conservatives give to it by tamely excluding such views from respectable discourse in the hope of being themselves certified as "respectable" by people who actually see them as being just as evil as the people they are condemning.
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  223. @The Alarmist
    Not true. Blacks get their share of police beat downs, but usually only when the police are confident in their numerical superiority, because the blacks fight back.

    No. Blacks get their beat downs because they are constitutionally incapable of cooperating calmly with police during routine stops (if not being caught actually committing crime, which they do in abnormal proportion to their population numbers).

    But you know that. I could show you a dozen videos of 2 cops outnumbered 10 to 1 by feral blacks and the cops still try to do their job and control the ferals. Your swarthy pets are, generally speaking, out of control and incapable of civil interaction with police. But you know all that. Your desperate propagandizing is failing.

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  224. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Talha
    Hey Mr. Unz,

    Meanwhile, the MSM portrayed your side as the instigators of the violence.
     
    This is assumed to be axiomatic when you are a Muslim. We knew this - we expected this - going into any of our protests. One of the protests we had on campus, was a silent protest where we came out on Israeli independence day and stood completely silent with signs. The Israelis were trying to celebrate but could not with our presence. We had multiple meetings with the brothers to make sure they understood, we would remain silent - no matter what they said, they even insulted the Prophet (pbuh) to our faces, but we didn't break discipline. I remember that we even had practice on how to remove anyone from within our ranks that was breaking with discipline without causing a scene. We knew if any punch was thrown, we would be assumed to be guilty and operated with that in mind. The result was beautiful; it ruined their celebration and got us exactly the publicity we wanted in the campus paper. In fact, later that year, other campus groups looked to us for leadership and guidance.

    How would you and your fellow demonstrators have handled the situation?
     
    The other nice thing about being Muslim and assumed to be violent is that people avoid violent confrontations with you. So we weren't too worried about that. But if it had happened, the best thing to do is form an outer cordon and encircle the women to protect them from violence. You have to practice these things and think them out ahead of time. If you do that in a disciplined way, no one is going to call you out for defensively circling the wagons to protect your women folk. And they won't be getting anything they can publish on video or photos that they can use to throw you against a wall. And if people who are leading aren't doing this kind of preparation, they aren't leading. Sometimes that's the best you can do - you go home, lick your wounds and learn and prepare for next time. That RooshV article I linked to outlines some good steps*.

    If so, it does cast a different light on the situation…
     
    Indeed. As I said on another post, it looks like it was premeditated to me, but I also recognize how these things can get confusing (having been in multiple rallies) and people can panic and only think about survival. We'll see how the trial goes.

    Peace.

    *Things have to be done in a disciplined, patient way. You cannot overturn decades of mistakes and propaganda and state-accepted violence within a few years. anybody who thinks so is an amateur. I want to explain a case in point - Syria.

    Syria was a very secular country with a secular minority regime. People think right now, the Baathist-Alawis won. Wrong. That's only what the short term looks like. In the long term, the society is becoming more and more Islamic and the lion's share of the credit goes to the low-key women's movements and their circles of learning (http://www.nytimes.com/ref/world/middleeast/29syria.html) - especially those that hook into them the daughters and wives of the elite. No big rallies, those would in fact draw too much attention. The Alawis will eventually be absorbed; some key Assad family have become Shiah and Bashar married a Sunni. They publish dozens of pictures of him praying like a Sunni. Even Russia's involvement is mostly positive; 1) now there is a disciplined Sunni Chechen tripwire force to prevent Israeli and US aggression and 2) there are now official religious connections between the ulema of Damascus and Chechnya - they will be opening a school there populated by Damascene scholars - Do you know how long someone like me has been waiting for this to happen?

    What's my point? You cannot rush these things, they will have their own momentum once they reach critical mass levels. What is critical right now to the Alt-right is women - they need to convince their women about the correctness of their goals - their women control the next generation. Otherwise this is all nonsense.

    There is an exchange I was told by a Shiah friend between Khomeini and the Shah when he was being sent into exile. The Shah laughed at him for being powerless and mocked him, "where is your army?" and he replied, "they are nursing at the breasts of their mothers."

    I’m not going to pass judgment on the accuracy of the description you give of the situation in Syria, but it sounds more like a parallel to a common historical phenomenon elsewhere, that of a conquering group assimilating itself into the main stream of society. You see the same thing with China at various times, with the Mughals, with post-Roman Europe, etc.

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    that of a conquering group assimilating itself into the main stream of society
     
    Yes and this happened with the Mongols eventually being absorbed into the indigenous Muslim peoples - but it's beyond this. It is taking a mostly secular already-Sunni population with a tangential connection with religion and turning that around through decades of patient efforts and discipline (and lots of prayer). Maybe you simply can't do this with a movement that is tied so closely to racial identity.

    On the accuracy, here are some reading suggestions:
    "Syrian officials themselves have begun to engage closely with North Caucasian authorities. A delegation from Damascus including Syria’s minister of religious affairs visited the Dagestani capital of Makhachkala in March, discussing counterradicalization with Dagestani authorities and students. In present circumstances, where it is rare for Syrian officials to make any foreign trip, let alone to a far-flung region of another country, the Makhachkala trip is significant in demonstrating the depth of Moscow’s use of its Sunni Muslim region as an outreach tool. Most recently, the head of Damascus University announced in mid-April that his institution is opening a campus in Chechnya."
    http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/05/04/putin-has-a-new-secret-weapon-in-syria-chechens/

    "In fact, the Syrian regime's strategy of shifting the conflict from one between the Muslim Brothers and the regime to one between moderate good Muslims and radical terrorist Muslims has been fraught with dangers and paradoxes. Chief among these is the manner in which the muting of Syria‘s secular elements and the co-optation of its Islamic groups Islamic revivalism in Syria has resulted in the creation of a large Syrian Islamic sector that is growing powerful enough to encroach on all aspects of Syrian life, including the political. At the same time, the old alliance between the elite (in its older and newer forms) and the religious class is re-emerging, again at the expense of socially and economically marginalized groups. And Syria‘s foreign policy, which includes relying on and supporting Islamic groups operating in the region, is adding fuel to the ongoing Islamization of Syrian society. Hence, far from dying, the Islamic movement in Syria was actually reinforced in the 1980s and 1990s, though its form changed for the most part from that of an illegal Islamic/Islamist movement to a regime-tolerated, co-opted, mobilized, apolitical, neofundamentalist movement focusing on the reform of individuals. This new brew has resulted in a significant change to the nature of both state and society in Syria."

    Islamic and Islamist Revivalism in Syria: The Rise and Fall of Secularism in Bathist Syria
    http://digitool.library.mcgill.ca/webclient/StreamGate?folder_id=0&dvs=1499718920431~952

    Peace.
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  225. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Talha
    Hey Randal,

    It’s never been a coherent movement
     
    Then it will fail - period. A chicken with its head cut off can run around for a while and looks alive...until it drops dead.

    they certainly got closer to creating a Caliphate than you and your fellow respectable, sensible types ever would have or probably will
     
    I can declare a Caliphate in my backyard - nobody will pay attention. The Caliphate (because it has the backing of sacred law behind it) has to have the backing of the ulema, if it doesn't - it fails from the get go. Somebody asked the ulema of India what they thought of Daesh's Caliphate and their answer was simple; we contacted the ulema of Iraq and nobody accepts them - why should we take them seriously?

    Do you seriously think reviving an institution called the Caliphate (which translates to Successor/Steward to the political position of the Messenger of God [pbuh]) is something you whip up overnight? The idea itself is insulting - this isn't a microwave dinner. This is something earned after serious, sincere effort - possibly generations' worth of effort.

    They are going down in the end partly because they faced overwhelming odds
     
    Yeah - it's called not having the overwhelming majority of the Ummah backing you.

    Had they succeeded in establishing a lasting state, future generations of muslims would doubtless have hailed them as glorious heroes.
     
    Yes, but they didn't because they were gun-toting, nihilist fools that didn't understand what they were trying to do other than turn the Euphrates red with blood - mostly Muslim blood.

    Trying to accommodate to the taboos has been done for decades, and has demonstrably failed.
     
    OK - but you don't have to give them ammunition for their narrative either.

    Peace.

    Mass movements are usually incoherent. When they win, or sometimes before then, they are taken over by a coherent element within them. Of course they quite often lose.

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    Of course they quite often lose.
     
    Bingo! Here is what I see a lot of. I seems a lot of people are willing to kill for something - but are they willing to die for it? I don't see that right now. That kind of loyalty isn't garnered by having an incoherent movement or purpose. Once you have people willing to sacrifice their lives - the entire dynamic changes. But that's only because it's important enough, it's not some game or hobby.

    Peace.
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  226. Talha says:
    @Anon
    I'm not going to pass judgment on the accuracy of the description you give of the situation in Syria, but it sounds more like a parallel to a common historical phenomenon elsewhere, that of a conquering group assimilating itself into the main stream of society. You see the same thing with China at various times, with the Mughals, with post-Roman Europe, etc.

    that of a conquering group assimilating itself into the main stream of society

    Yes and this happened with the Mongols eventually being absorbed into the indigenous Muslim peoples – but it’s beyond this. It is taking a mostly secular already-Sunni population with a tangential connection with religion and turning that around through decades of patient efforts and discipline (and lots of prayer). Maybe you simply can’t do this with a movement that is tied so closely to racial identity.

    On the accuracy, here are some reading suggestions:
    “Syrian officials themselves have begun to engage closely with North Caucasian authorities. A delegation from Damascus including Syria’s minister of religious affairs visited the Dagestani capital of Makhachkala in March, discussing counterradicalization with Dagestani authorities and students. In present circumstances, where it is rare for Syrian officials to make any foreign trip, let alone to a far-flung region of another country, the Makhachkala trip is significant in demonstrating the depth of Moscow’s use of its Sunni Muslim region as an outreach tool. Most recently, the head of Damascus University announced in mid-April that his institution is opening a campus in Chechnya.”

    http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/05/04/putin-has-a-new-secret-weapon-in-syria-chechens/

    “In fact, the Syrian regime’s strategy of shifting the conflict from one between the Muslim Brothers and the regime to one between moderate good Muslims and radical terrorist Muslims has been fraught with dangers and paradoxes. Chief among these is the manner in which the muting of Syria‘s secular elements and the co-optation of its Islamic groups Islamic revivalism in Syria has resulted in the creation of a large Syrian Islamic sector that is growing powerful enough to encroach on all aspects of Syrian life, including the political. At the same time, the old alliance between the elite (in its older and newer forms) and the religious class is re-emerging, again at the expense of socially and economically marginalized groups. And Syria‘s foreign policy, which includes relying on and supporting Islamic groups operating in the region, is adding fuel to the ongoing Islamization of Syrian society. Hence, far from dying, the Islamic movement in Syria was actually reinforced in the 1980s and 1990s, though its form changed for the most part from that of an illegal Islamic/Islamist movement to a regime-tolerated, co-opted, mobilized, apolitical, neofundamentalist movement focusing on the reform of individuals. This new brew has resulted in a significant change to the nature of both state and society in Syria.”

    Islamic and Islamist Revivalism in Syria: The Rise and Fall of Secularism in Bathist Syria

    http://digitool.library.mcgill.ca/webclient/StreamGate?folder_id=0&dvs=1499718920431~952

    Peace.

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  227. Randal says:
    @Talha
    Hey Randal,

    It’s never been a coherent movement
     
    Then it will fail - period. A chicken with its head cut off can run around for a while and looks alive...until it drops dead.

    they certainly got closer to creating a Caliphate than you and your fellow respectable, sensible types ever would have or probably will
     
    I can declare a Caliphate in my backyard - nobody will pay attention. The Caliphate (because it has the backing of sacred law behind it) has to have the backing of the ulema, if it doesn't - it fails from the get go. Somebody asked the ulema of India what they thought of Daesh's Caliphate and their answer was simple; we contacted the ulema of Iraq and nobody accepts them - why should we take them seriously?

    Do you seriously think reviving an institution called the Caliphate (which translates to Successor/Steward to the political position of the Messenger of God [pbuh]) is something you whip up overnight? The idea itself is insulting - this isn't a microwave dinner. This is something earned after serious, sincere effort - possibly generations' worth of effort.

    They are going down in the end partly because they faced overwhelming odds
     
    Yeah - it's called not having the overwhelming majority of the Ummah backing you.

    Had they succeeded in establishing a lasting state, future generations of muslims would doubtless have hailed them as glorious heroes.
     
    Yes, but they didn't because they were gun-toting, nihilist fools that didn't understand what they were trying to do other than turn the Euphrates red with blood - mostly Muslim blood.

    Trying to accommodate to the taboos has been done for decades, and has demonstrably failed.
     
    OK - but you don't have to give them ammunition for their narrative either.

    Peace.

    Then it will fail – period. A chicken with its head cut off can run around for a while and looks alive…until it drops dead.

    It can’t fail because it has no program to fail at. It’s just a term for a collection of views that are excluded from mainstream respectability by the currently dominant leftists.

    I can declare a Caliphate in my backyard – nobody will pay attention. The Caliphate (because it has the backing of sacred law behind it) has to have the backing of the ulema, if it doesn’t – it fails from the get go. Somebody asked the ulema of India what they thought of Daesh’s Caliphate and their answer was simple; we contacted the ulema of Iraq and nobody accepts them – why should we take them seriously?

    It’s amazing how actual power changes opinions on such matters. Religious views aside and without intending offence, what was Mohammed but the Daesh of his time, but one who attacked into a receptive power vacuum and succeeded?

    As for your backyard, at its peak the Islamic State ruled over several major cities and several million people, with an annual budget credibly estimated at $1b and tens of thousands of volunteer adherents.

    Granted the rulers of the Islamic State were largely murderous thugs who’d achieved power by the gun and only thanks to the bloody chaos created by US interference, but if it had succeeded it wouldn’t have been the first lasting state founded by such men.

    OK – but you don’t have to give them ammunition for their narrative either.

    What actually constitutes ammunition for it is the implicit acceptance of its legitimacy that foolish conservatives give to it by tamely excluding such views from respectable discourse in the hope of being themselves certified as “respectable” by people who actually see them as being just as evil as the people they are condemning.

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    Hey Randal,

    It can’t fail because it has no program to fail at.
     
    OK. And it can't win - it's at a stalemate.

    what was Mohammed but the Daesh of his time
     
    No offense taken - and I don't want to sidetrack this discussion into one about the Seerah...but, have you read about the discipline the Muslims showed at Makkah? You don't get to power in Madinah unless you go through the crucible in Makkah. Have you read about the discipline shown at the lop-sided Treaty of Hudaibiyyah? That shown in the final conquest (and subsequent amnesty) of Makkah?

    the Islamic State ruled over several major cities and several million people
     
    Yes - all in two countries that were already devastated by war and whose armies were barely functional.

    tens of thousands of volunteer adherents
     
    Do you know how insignificant that is in an Ummah of 1.6+ billion people? It's not even a rounding error.

    but if it had succeeded it wouldn’t have been the first lasting state founded by such men
     
    Sure, but they had less success than Pol Pot and other sanguinary movements - what, dead end after less than three years? Even with all the foreign assistance. That's pretty darn pathetic.

    that foolish conservatives give to it by tamely excluding such views from respectable discourse in the hope of being themselves certified as “respectable”
     
    Correct, they should be excluded on principle not to make a show out of it. People can usually sniff out hypocrites.

    Peace.
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  228. SMK says: • Website
    @Anonymous White Male
    "Also, aligning yourself with Nazis, neo-Nazis, and the KKK legitimates criticism of you in the eyes of probably at least 99% of the U.S. population."

    I doubt it is anywhere near 99%. You should have used majority instead. Not that there is really anything wrong with people choosing to be Nazis, neo-Nazis, or the KKK. Hey, if someone performs Female Genital Mutilation as a matter of religion and a certain percentage of America accepts this, how can being a Nazi or Klansmen be anymore ridiculous? Its a chose, isn't it? Some people are Mormons or Jehovah's Witnesses and they have some foolish beliefs as well. The Demonic Rats align with anti-fa, BLM, Muslims, illegal immigrants, and the LGBTUVWTF minorities. Does that legitimize criticism of them? For some people, yes. For the Demonic Rats, not in the least.

    Because the left controls almost everything, we live in a nation in which Al Sharpton, a lying hatemonger and hoaxer who should have been buried in prison long ago for murder and tax-evasion, was invited to the White House over a 100 times during the Obama years, often to meet with and advise the President as his “go-to-man on race” and had a nightly talk show for 4-years on MSNBC and is described as a “civil rights activist,” an appellation with positive, even heroic, connotations. We live in a nation in which BLM extemists -a quasi-terrorist organization that calls for the murder of white police officers (“what do we want, pigs in a blanket”), if not explicitly as a matter of policy then implicitly in their white-hating and police-hating rhetoric- were invited to the WH to meet with Obama and advise him on racial issues.

    And in the collusion with AG Eric Holder, Obama espoused their lies and canards on the shooting deaths, clearly in self-defense, of Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown, recklessly facilitating if not explicitly provoking riots and the shooting deaths of 5 police and the wounding of 7 others in Dallas by a white-hating black lunatic. And likewise in Louisiana. And for all this he endured only the mildest and most feckless criticism on Fox News and by a few Republicans and mainstream conservatives: no calls for impeachment, not legal actions, civil or criminal, no serious political repercussions.

    Imagine the outrage and hysteria if Trump invited Jared Taylor to the White House, which of course he would never even think of doing. Or even Ann Coulter.

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    Or even Ann Coulter.
     
    You do know that Trump, Coulter, and Rush Limbaugh all live within a mile or two of one another right? I don't find the idea of Trump speaking with or meeting Ann quite as unlikely as Jared.
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  229. Talha says:
    @Anon
    Mass movements are usually incoherent. When they win, or sometimes before then, they are taken over by a coherent element within them. Of course they quite often lose.

    Of course they quite often lose.

    Bingo! Here is what I see a lot of. I seems a lot of people are willing to kill for something – but are they willing to die for it? I don’t see that right now. That kind of loyalty isn’t garnered by having an incoherent movement or purpose. Once you have people willing to sacrifice their lives – the entire dynamic changes. But that’s only because it’s important enough, it’s not some game or hobby.

    Peace.

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    Most men live and die not for philosophical ideals but for love and hate. It is often possible after the fact to weave these sympathies and antipathies into a platform or even a philosophy. With this caveat I agree with you.
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  230. @SolontoCroesus
    so all of Churchill's rhetoric about "saving civilization" was what -- a lie??

    Yes.

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  231. Talha says:
    @Randal

    Then it will fail – period. A chicken with its head cut off can run around for a while and looks alive…until it drops dead.
     
    It can't fail because it has no program to fail at. It's just a term for a collection of views that are excluded from mainstream respectability by the currently dominant leftists.


    I can declare a Caliphate in my backyard – nobody will pay attention. The Caliphate (because it has the backing of sacred law behind it) has to have the backing of the ulema, if it doesn’t – it fails from the get go. Somebody asked the ulema of India what they thought of Daesh’s Caliphate and their answer was simple; we contacted the ulema of Iraq and nobody accepts them – why should we take them seriously?
     
    It's amazing how actual power changes opinions on such matters. Religious views aside and without intending offence, what was Mohammed but the Daesh of his time, but one who attacked into a receptive power vacuum and succeeded?

    As for your backyard, at its peak the Islamic State ruled over several major cities and several million people, with an annual budget credibly estimated at $1b and tens of thousands of volunteer adherents.

    Granted the rulers of the Islamic State were largely murderous thugs who'd achieved power by the gun and only thanks to the bloody chaos created by US interference, but if it had succeeded it wouldn't have been the first lasting state founded by such men.

    OK – but you don’t have to give them ammunition for their narrative either.
     
    What actually constitutes ammunition for it is the implicit acceptance of its legitimacy that foolish conservatives give to it by tamely excluding such views from respectable discourse in the hope of being themselves certified as "respectable" by people who actually see them as being just as evil as the people they are condemning.

    Hey Randal,

    It can’t fail because it has no program to fail at.

    OK. And it can’t win – it’s at a stalemate.

    what was Mohammed but the Daesh of his time

    No offense taken – and I don’t want to sidetrack this discussion into one about the Seerah…but, have you read about the discipline the Muslims showed at Makkah? You don’t get to power in Madinah unless you go through the crucible in Makkah. Have you read about the discipline shown at the lop-sided Treaty of Hudaibiyyah? That shown in the final conquest (and subsequent amnesty) of Makkah?

    the Islamic State ruled over several major cities and several million people

    Yes – all in two countries that were already devastated by war and whose armies were barely functional.

    tens of thousands of volunteer adherents

    Do you know how insignificant that is in an Ummah of 1.6+ billion people? It’s not even a rounding error.

    but if it had succeeded it wouldn’t have been the first lasting state founded by such men

    Sure, but they had less success than Pol Pot and other sanguinary movements – what, dead end after less than three years? Even with all the foreign assistance. That’s pretty darn pathetic.

    that foolish conservatives give to it by tamely excluding such views from respectable discourse in the hope of being themselves certified as “respectable”

    Correct, they should be excluded on principle not to make a show out of it. People can usually sniff out hypocrites.

    Peace.

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    OK. And it can’t win – it’s at a stalemate.
     
    There isn't an "it" to be at a stalemate.

    No offense taken – and I don’t want to sidetrack this discussion into one about the Seerah
     
    That's probably sensible and in hindsight it was an impolite example for me to have chosen anyway. I apologise, since you had the grace not to take offense :-)

    But in general, I'm not a believer in the cause determining the quality of the man, or the quality of the man necessarily determining the outcome for that matter. I have no idea what personal qualities of discipline, courage, etc, or their corresponding vices, the leaders of the Islamic State might have since I don't know any of them personally and there are no sources that can be trusted on the topic. Certainly bad men have fought for good causes and good men for bad.


    Yes – all in two countries that were already devastated by war and whose armies were barely functional.
     
    Still significantly outmatches your backyard.


    Do you know how insignificant that is in an Ummah of 1.6+ billion people? It’s not even a rounding error.
     
    Only a tiny minority are ever motivated to take that kind of drastic and dangerous volunteer action. The socialist ideology had many millions of adherents globally in the early C20th, but they mustered fewer than Islamic State did for the International Brigades in Spain.

    Again, my point though is that respectability amongst human beings is amazingly plastic in response to power and success.

    Sure, but they had less success than Pol Pot and other sanguinary movements – what, dead end after less than three years? Even with all the foreign assistance. That’s pretty darn pathetic.

     

    It's longer than the respectable Muslim Brotherhood managed in Egypt, to name but one example.


    Correct, they should be excluded on principle not to make a show out of it. People can usually sniff out hypocrites.
     
    No, they should be agreed or disagreed with like any other political opinion, and in a political system based upon two "big tents" they should not be excluded from being part of either tent in order to skew the debate and to serve the interests of particular lobbies such as the Israeli lobby (in the case of the Nazism taboo) and the black racist lobby (in the case of white supremacists).
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  232. Talha says:
    @Anon
    I'd be inclined to give skinny grandpas more of a pass-- floral protective gear may not have been the best option though.

    floral protective gear may not have been the best option though

    Who needs anything when you can stand next to a big Black dude with a flamethrower. You can wear a banana suit and you’ll be fine – as long as you don’t go to close to the flames.

    Peace.

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  233. MarkinLA says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    so all of Churchill's rhetoric about "saving civilization" was what -- a lie??

    The British were preparing for war with the US after WWI because the US was building a navy to rival theirs. The British (IMHO) pushed for the start of WWI because they knew the High Seas Fleet was about to become the equal of the Grand Fleet. Britain has always chosen a path of allying with those who pose a direct challenge to their main competitor. So Britain was doing what it always does.

    The fact that Hitler was crazy simply helped him pull it off. Hitler was not going to be stopped with anything short of war. This garbage that he was defending the west from communism is ridiculous. The idea that he was defending Germans in Poland is also ridiculous. What about all those Poles who had to live under Prussian, Austrian, and Russian rule? No, those people aren’t allowed to be embittered over what happened to them? If there was conflict, Germany should have offered to move all those Germans out of Poland and settled them in Germany. He got the Sudetenland and still occupied Czechoslovakia.

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    Ah, Americans and their super-villain theories of history. Always amusing.
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  234. @Pachyderm Pachyderma
    I am gonna go off on a tangent here:

    'And all that coercive inclusion of Han Chinese into Tibet and Xianjiang is really changing the culture and flavor of those regions'

    A great war is right around the corner... It'll commence shortly between China and India in the high Himalayas but will spread like wildfire involving almost all major powers. The US won't be immune as it'll take side in the conflict (do you wanna guess?) and the end result will be the greatest destruction experienced by the mankind. Stay tuned!

    the end result will be the greatest destruction experienced by the mankind. Stay tuned!

    Well, you know something I don’t. But I’ll stay tuned.

    But I must say… the world blowing up over Himalayas with nothing but mountain and snow sounds a bit silly.

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    Sorry for the delayed response; however, it is better late than never...

    Bannon might be just right in his dramatic assessment regarding the hegemon that is becoming China and if America isn't aware of it then present Hegemon, the USA, will be playing the second fiddle. But how does that dovetail into my earlier assertions? Well, let me tell you...

    If the Middle Kingdom aspires, and it does, then it must severely defeat India, the 2nd ratet power in Asia in order to prepare for the ultimate prize, that is to replace USA. A simple skirmish in the Himalayas is simply a test run of things to come, as China thinks the Trump Administration has begun the process of disengagement.
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  235. Randal says:
    @Talha
    Hey Randal,

    It can’t fail because it has no program to fail at.
     
    OK. And it can't win - it's at a stalemate.

    what was Mohammed but the Daesh of his time
     
    No offense taken - and I don't want to sidetrack this discussion into one about the Seerah...but, have you read about the discipline the Muslims showed at Makkah? You don't get to power in Madinah unless you go through the crucible in Makkah. Have you read about the discipline shown at the lop-sided Treaty of Hudaibiyyah? That shown in the final conquest (and subsequent amnesty) of Makkah?

    the Islamic State ruled over several major cities and several million people
     
    Yes - all in two countries that were already devastated by war and whose armies were barely functional.

    tens of thousands of volunteer adherents
     
    Do you know how insignificant that is in an Ummah of 1.6+ billion people? It's not even a rounding error.

    but if it had succeeded it wouldn’t have been the first lasting state founded by such men
     
    Sure, but they had less success than Pol Pot and other sanguinary movements - what, dead end after less than three years? Even with all the foreign assistance. That's pretty darn pathetic.

    that foolish conservatives give to it by tamely excluding such views from respectable discourse in the hope of being themselves certified as “respectable”
     
    Correct, they should be excluded on principle not to make a show out of it. People can usually sniff out hypocrites.

    Peace.

    OK. And it can’t win – it’s at a stalemate.

    There isn’t an “it” to be at a stalemate.

    No offense taken – and I don’t want to sidetrack this discussion into one about the Seerah

    That’s probably sensible and in hindsight it was an impolite example for me to have chosen anyway. I apologise, since you had the grace not to take offense :-)

    But in general, I’m not a believer in the cause determining the quality of the man, or the quality of the man necessarily determining the outcome for that matter. I have no idea what personal qualities of discipline, courage, etc, or their corresponding vices, the leaders of the Islamic State might have since I don’t know any of them personally and there are no sources that can be trusted on the topic. Certainly bad men have fought for good causes and good men for bad.

    Yes – all in two countries that were already devastated by war and whose armies were barely functional.

    Still significantly outmatches your backyard.

    Do you know how insignificant that is in an Ummah of 1.6+ billion people? It’s not even a rounding error.

    Only a tiny minority are ever motivated to take that kind of drastic and dangerous volunteer action. The socialist ideology had many millions of adherents globally in the early C20th, but they mustered fewer than Islamic State did for the International Brigades in Spain.

    Again, my point though is that respectability amongst human beings is amazingly plastic in response to power and success.

    Sure, but they had less success than Pol Pot and other sanguinary movements – what, dead end after less than three years? Even with all the foreign assistance. That’s pretty darn pathetic.

    It’s longer than the respectable Muslim Brotherhood managed in Egypt, to name but one example.

    Correct, they should be excluded on principle not to make a show out of it. People can usually sniff out hypocrites.

    No, they should be agreed or disagreed with like any other political opinion, and in a political system based upon two “big tents” they should not be excluded from being part of either tent in order to skew the debate and to serve the interests of particular lobbies such as the Israeli lobby (in the case of the Nazism taboo) and the black racist lobby (in the case of white supremacists).

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    Hey Randal,

    I have no idea what personal qualities of discipline, courage, etc
     
    They had a hell of a lot of courage - in that there is no doubt. They knew they were going to be pounded by multiple modern air forces and still fought.

    It’s longer than the respectable Muslim Brotherhood managed in Egypt, to name but one example.
     
    Correct - the MB has made a couple of moves that have been far too early and unprincipled. The first one was in Syria in the 80's. Again, one must know when to make the right move and when to be patient. They are still in the game and will continue to be since a lot of their support comes from what they do for the poor and underprivileged and many ulema support them:
    http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/videos/muslim-brotherhood-hospitals/

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/revolution-in-cairo/inside-muslim-brotherhood/piety-and-politics.html

    Are the people at the rallies willing to put in the effort to start up hospitals and other institutions to help Whites that are having a tough time? So that those White masses will side with them instead of the government? Or do they expect them to just be loyal simply out of skin color without any sacrifice on their part - why?


    Again, my point though is that respectability amongst human beings is amazingly plastic in response to power and success.
     
    Agreed - Tamerlane certainly has a statue for himself in certain parts. But you have to even have a certain level of appeal to break out from being an extreme minority. Daesh didn't even get past that in comparison to their opposition - I mean even the Qarmatis lasted for like a century.

    I think Black racist ideology should also be marginalized. I think it's as despicable as White racist ideology. Why can't we demand that both sides - on principle - marginalize their extremists? I mean, my community has our extremists - the vast majority of us want nothing to do with them - they bring us nothing but pain and hardship. Why should we coddle them because they are "a voice"?

    Peace.

    , @Talha
    Good exchange by the way - I like to think these things out with people.
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  236. @MarkinLA
    The British were preparing for war with the US after WWI because the US was building a navy to rival theirs. The British (IMHO) pushed for the start of WWI because they knew the High Seas Fleet was about to become the equal of the Grand Fleet. Britain has always chosen a path of allying with those who pose a direct challenge to their main competitor. So Britain was doing what it always does.

    The fact that Hitler was crazy simply helped him pull it off. Hitler was not going to be stopped with anything short of war. This garbage that he was defending the west from communism is ridiculous. The idea that he was defending Germans in Poland is also ridiculous. What about all those Poles who had to live under Prussian, Austrian, and Russian rule? No, those people aren't allowed to be embittered over what happened to them? If there was conflict, Germany should have offered to move all those Germans out of Poland and settled them in Germany. He got the Sudetenland and still occupied Czechoslovakia.

    Ah, Americans and their super-villain theories of history. Always amusing.

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    Whether the US should or should not have gotten involved in either WWs is certainly open for discussion. That Hitler was a nut really isn't.
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  237. Talha says:
    @Randal

    OK. And it can’t win – it’s at a stalemate.
     
    There isn't an "it" to be at a stalemate.

    No offense taken – and I don’t want to sidetrack this discussion into one about the Seerah
     
    That's probably sensible and in hindsight it was an impolite example for me to have chosen anyway. I apologise, since you had the grace not to take offense :-)

    But in general, I'm not a believer in the cause determining the quality of the man, or the quality of the man necessarily determining the outcome for that matter. I have no idea what personal qualities of discipline, courage, etc, or their corresponding vices, the leaders of the Islamic State might have since I don't know any of them personally and there are no sources that can be trusted on the topic. Certainly bad men have fought for good causes and good men for bad.


    Yes – all in two countries that were already devastated by war and whose armies were barely functional.
     
    Still significantly outmatches your backyard.


    Do you know how insignificant that is in an Ummah of 1.6+ billion people? It’s not even a rounding error.
     
    Only a tiny minority are ever motivated to take that kind of drastic and dangerous volunteer action. The socialist ideology had many millions of adherents globally in the early C20th, but they mustered fewer than Islamic State did for the International Brigades in Spain.

    Again, my point though is that respectability amongst human beings is amazingly plastic in response to power and success.

    Sure, but they had less success than Pol Pot and other sanguinary movements – what, dead end after less than three years? Even with all the foreign assistance. That’s pretty darn pathetic.

     

    It's longer than the respectable Muslim Brotherhood managed in Egypt, to name but one example.


    Correct, they should be excluded on principle not to make a show out of it. People can usually sniff out hypocrites.
     
    No, they should be agreed or disagreed with like any other political opinion, and in a political system based upon two "big tents" they should not be excluded from being part of either tent in order to skew the debate and to serve the interests of particular lobbies such as the Israeli lobby (in the case of the Nazism taboo) and the black racist lobby (in the case of white supremacists).

    Hey Randal,

    I have no idea what personal qualities of discipline, courage, etc

    They had a hell of a lot of courage – in that there is no doubt. They knew they were going to be pounded by multiple modern air forces and still fought.

    It’s longer than the respectable Muslim Brotherhood managed in Egypt, to name but one example.

    Correct – the MB has made a couple of moves that have been far too early and unprincipled. The first one was in Syria in the 80′s. Again, one must know when to make the right move and when to be patient. They are still in the game and will continue to be since a lot of their support comes from what they do for the poor and underprivileged and many ulema support them:

    http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/videos/muslim-brotherhood-hospitals/

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/revolution-in-cairo/inside-muslim-brotherhood/piety-and-politics.html

    Are the people at the rallies willing to put in the effort to start up hospitals and other institutions to help Whites that are having a tough time? So that those White masses will side with them instead of the government? Or do they expect them to just be loyal simply out of skin color without any sacrifice on their part – why?

    Again, my point though is that respectability amongst human beings is amazingly plastic in response to power and success.

    Agreed – Tamerlane certainly has a statue for himself in certain parts. But you have to even have a certain level of appeal to break out from being an extreme minority. Daesh didn’t even get past that in comparison to their opposition – I mean even the Qarmatis lasted for like a century.

    I think Black racist ideology should also be marginalized. I think it’s as despicable as White racist ideology. Why can’t we demand that both sides – on principle – marginalize their extremists? I mean, my community has our extremists – the vast majority of us want nothing to do with them – they bring us nothing but pain and hardship. Why should we coddle them because they are “a voice”?

    Peace.

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    Are the people at the rallies willing to put in the effort to start up hospitals and other institutions to help Whites that are having a tough time? So that those White masses will side with them instead of the government? Or do they expect them to just be loyal simply out of skin color without any sacrifice on their part – why?
     
    Well the situations are not directly comparable, but you make an interesting point there, though US society in the declining white working class areas is probably only now approaching the levels where that kind of community action is an option on a large scale.

    Nationalism combined with socialism (since we were talking about nazism :-) ) is a particularly powerful political force because it combines patriotic loyalty with mutual solidarity for the working classes. White supremacists could do worse than adopt that kind of program, in the current economic climate for the white working classes. After all, the establishment right regularly makes it clear that their deep pockets will never be open for the white supremacists anyway.

    One of the ways I think Trump, or a successor, could secure dominant popular support for the long term would be to combine resistance to mass immigration with socialism in the form of an NHS-style healthcare system (I think you in the US call it "single payer"), using a coherent argument of national fellowship rather than a punitive redistributionist one, as socialists in the past have tended to use for ideological reasons. I'm a visceral conservative and naturally opposed to big government in any form but the one area where I'm weak on socialism is nationalised healthcare, because I can see the argument that says no civilised people should be prepared to see their own fellow nationals sick and dying for lack of money. If even I can feel the attraction of it, then for sure many of those less instinctively resistant to big government will go for it enthusiastically.

    I think Black racist ideology should also be marginalized. I think it’s as despicable as White racist ideology. Why can’t we demand that both sides – on principle – marginalize their extremists? I mean, my community has our extremists – the vast majority of us want nothing to do with them – they bring us nothing but pain and hardship. Why should we coddle them because they are “a voice”?
     
    Well a balanced exclusion of both sides would at least be an improvement on what is in force now.

    But I'm personally not a believer in excluding extremist voices. I take the view that getting to the truth is better served in a freer speech environment, in political terms. Besides, who gets to define what's "extreme"? Those with money and political influence and the ability to manipulate opinion via the media, basically. From my perspective you don't get any more extreme than the supposedly "centrist" dogmas imposed upon our societies recently - gay "marriage", mass immigration, "humanitarian" interventionism.

    If it were up to me black racists would be free to argue their case under the same pragmatic limits as white racists - no direct threats of violence or criminal action, and would be regarded as being similarly acceptable with other political views, as part of the national political debate. The same would also apply to islamist extremists, by the way. I don't feel threatened either personally or nationally by extreme forms of islam, only by mass immigration of muslims (and other foreigners).

    I mean, my community has our extremists – the vast majority of us want nothing to do with them – they bring us nothing but pain and hardship. Why should we coddle them because they are “a voice”?
     
    I absolutely understand where you are coming from there, but the reality is that jihadist forms of islam have gained wide support not solely because of Saudi backing and US/UK use of jihadism as a "regime change" battering ram, but also because there is undeniable truth in their arguments about the harm caused to muslim societies by external (mainly US sphere) interference. I'm not saying they are right overall, just that there is truth in their positions, and nobody else is espousing those truths since the socialist and nationalist strands in muslim societies failed in the late C20th.
    , @RobinG
    You referred to Emir Timur. "In certain parts" the term you used is pejorative.
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  238. Talha says:
    @Randal

    OK. And it can’t win – it’s at a stalemate.
     
    There isn't an "it" to be at a stalemate.

    No offense taken – and I don’t want to sidetrack this discussion into one about the Seerah
     
    That's probably sensible and in hindsight it was an impolite example for me to have chosen anyway. I apologise, since you had the grace not to take offense :-)

    But in general, I'm not a believer in the cause determining the quality of the man, or the quality of the man necessarily determining the outcome for that matter. I have no idea what personal qualities of discipline, courage, etc, or their corresponding vices, the leaders of the Islamic State might have since I don't know any of them personally and there are no sources that can be trusted on the topic. Certainly bad men have fought for good causes and good men for bad.


    Yes – all in two countries that were already devastated by war and whose armies were barely functional.
     
    Still significantly outmatches your backyard.


    Do you know how insignificant that is in an Ummah of 1.6+ billion people? It’s not even a rounding error.
     
    Only a tiny minority are ever motivated to take that kind of drastic and dangerous volunteer action. The socialist ideology had many millions of adherents globally in the early C20th, but they mustered fewer than Islamic State did for the International Brigades in Spain.

    Again, my point though is that respectability amongst human beings is amazingly plastic in response to power and success.

    Sure, but they had less success than Pol Pot and other sanguinary movements – what, dead end after less than three years? Even with all the foreign assistance. That’s pretty darn pathetic.

     

    It's longer than the respectable Muslim Brotherhood managed in Egypt, to name but one example.


    Correct, they should be excluded on principle not to make a show out of it. People can usually sniff out hypocrites.
     
    No, they should be agreed or disagreed with like any other political opinion, and in a political system based upon two "big tents" they should not be excluded from being part of either tent in order to skew the debate and to serve the interests of particular lobbies such as the Israeli lobby (in the case of the Nazism taboo) and the black racist lobby (in the case of white supremacists).

    Good exchange by the way – I like to think these things out with people.

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    A pleasure, as always.

    It's always nice to discuss such issues with someone who can give and take whilst remaining both courteous and calm, even without necessarily agreeing.

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  239. Randal says:
    @Talha
    Hey Randal,

    I have no idea what personal qualities of discipline, courage, etc
     
    They had a hell of a lot of courage - in that there is no doubt. They knew they were going to be pounded by multiple modern air forces and still fought.

    It’s longer than the respectable Muslim Brotherhood managed in Egypt, to name but one example.
     
    Correct - the MB has made a couple of moves that have been far too early and unprincipled. The first one was in Syria in the 80's. Again, one must know when to make the right move and when to be patient. They are still in the game and will continue to be since a lot of their support comes from what they do for the poor and underprivileged and many ulema support them:
    http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/videos/muslim-brotherhood-hospitals/

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/revolution-in-cairo/inside-muslim-brotherhood/piety-and-politics.html

    Are the people at the rallies willing to put in the effort to start up hospitals and other institutions to help Whites that are having a tough time? So that those White masses will side with them instead of the government? Or do they expect them to just be loyal simply out of skin color without any sacrifice on their part - why?


    Again, my point though is that respectability amongst human beings is amazingly plastic in response to power and success.
     
    Agreed - Tamerlane certainly has a statue for himself in certain parts. But you have to even have a certain level of appeal to break out from being an extreme minority. Daesh didn't even get past that in comparison to their opposition - I mean even the Qarmatis lasted for like a century.

    I think Black racist ideology should also be marginalized. I think it's as despicable as White racist ideology. Why can't we demand that both sides - on principle - marginalize their extremists? I mean, my community has our extremists - the vast majority of us want nothing to do with them - they bring us nothing but pain and hardship. Why should we coddle them because they are "a voice"?

    Peace.

    Are the people at the rallies willing to put in the effort to start up hospitals and other institutions to help Whites that are having a tough time? So that those White masses will side with them instead of the government? Or do they expect them to just be loyal simply out of skin color without any sacrifice on their part – why?

    Well the situations are not directly comparable, but you make an interesting point there, though US society in the declining white working class areas is probably only now approaching the levels where that kind of community action is an option on a large scale.

    Nationalism combined with socialism (since we were talking about nazism :-) ) is a particularly powerful political force because it combines patriotic loyalty with mutual solidarity for the working classes. White supremacists could do worse than adopt that kind of program, in the current economic climate for the white working classes. After all, the establishment right regularly makes it clear that their deep pockets will never be open for the white supremacists anyway.

    One of the ways I think Trump, or a successor, could secure dominant popular support for the long term would be to combine resistance to mass immigration with socialism in the form of an NHS-style healthcare system (I think you in the US call it “single payer”), using a coherent argument of national fellowship rather than a punitive redistributionist one, as socialists in the past have tended to use for ideological reasons. I’m a visceral conservative and naturally opposed to big government in any form but the one area where I’m weak on socialism is nationalised healthcare, because I can see the argument that says no civilised people should be prepared to see their own fellow nationals sick and dying for lack of money. If even I can feel the attraction of it, then for sure many of those less instinctively resistant to big government will go for it enthusiastically.

    I think Black racist ideology should also be marginalized. I think it’s as despicable as White racist ideology. Why can’t we demand that both sides – on principle – marginalize their extremists? I mean, my community has our extremists – the vast majority of us want nothing to do with them – they bring us nothing but pain and hardship. Why should we coddle them because they are “a voice”?

    Well a balanced exclusion of both sides would at least be an improvement on what is in force now.

    But I’m personally not a believer in excluding extremist voices. I take the view that getting to the truth is better served in a freer speech environment, in political terms. Besides, who gets to define what’s “extreme”? Those with money and political influence and the ability to manipulate opinion via the media, basically. From my perspective you don’t get any more extreme than the supposedly “centrist” dogmas imposed upon our societies recently – gay “marriage”, mass immigration, “humanitarian” interventionism.

    If it were up to me black racists would be free to argue their case under the same pragmatic limits as white racists – no direct threats of violence or criminal action, and would be regarded as being similarly acceptable with other political views, as part of the national political debate. The same would also apply to islamist extremists, by the way. I don’t feel threatened either personally or nationally by extreme forms of islam, only by mass immigration of muslims (and other foreigners).

    I mean, my community has our extremists – the vast majority of us want nothing to do with them – they bring us nothing but pain and hardship. Why should we coddle them because they are “a voice”?

    I absolutely understand where you are coming from there, but the reality is that jihadist forms of islam have gained wide support not solely because of Saudi backing and US/UK use of jihadism as a “regime change” battering ram, but also because there is undeniable truth in their arguments about the harm caused to muslim societies by external (mainly US sphere) interference. I’m not saying they are right overall, just that there is truth in their positions, and nobody else is espousing those truths since the socialist and nationalist strands in muslim societies failed in the late C20th.

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    Hey Randal,

    Nationalism combined with socialism
     
    Few points here:
    1) You said you don't like big government, neither do many of the Alt-Right from what I can tell - in fact they hated Obama for trying to expand it.
    2) If socialism is a bad framework for society (which I personally think it is), then it shouldn't really matter who implements it.
    3) Are lower class Whites supposed to just trust that if they throw in their lot with Nazis, they will be looking out for them when they get into power? I mean at least with the Muslim Brotherhood, they have decades of trench work in helping the poor. Even if there is propaganda against them, the lower classes see themselves as beneficiaries of their efforts. How do White Nationalists even come close to proving they have the backs of the lower classes? What skin have they put into the game? Even one serious program of uplifting their people?

    But I’m personally not a believer in excluding extremist voices. I take the view that getting to the truth is better served in a freer speech environment, in political terms....If it were up to me black racists would be free to argue their case under the same pragmatic limits as white racists...
     
    See, I like principled people. You aren't coming from the point of view of; wait 'till we get in power - we'll grab all their rights!!!

    I don’t feel threatened either personally or nationally by extreme forms of islam
     
    Can I join you on your island? :)

    but also because there is undeniable truth in their arguments about the harm caused to muslim societies by external (mainly US sphere) interference
     
    Absolutely - I have never said the extremists do not have a point or some level of truth behind their claims (this is actually what gives them some level of street cred) - they are a reactionary result of nations that have been pulled apart by neocon-inspired wars or schemes. However, our traditional scholars have made it clear, we have to be principled in our approach - you cannot break with immutable rules of war - period. The crimes of others do not excuse one's own crimes in the court of God. This is the former mufti of Al-Qaeda (who left them after they were resolute on targeting civilians) - listen for about half a minute:
    "I say whatever the crimes of the West are and no matter how it behaves and despite the very real wrongs against the Muslim world which rational Western thinkers, politicians and fair minded people recognize. I say that should not be used as an excuse to attack innocent people. Islam forbids the killing of innocent people regardless of whether they are Muslims or non-Muslims."
    https://youtu.be/yzUafFkd-EM?t=9m30s

    (Former Chief) Mufti Rafi Usmani of Pakistan said likewise:
    "Islam does not allow killing of innocent civilians and non-combatants under any circumstances. Islam is absolutely clear on this issue. Two wrongs do not make a right. If they feel that the US or the UK are killing innocent civilians in Iraq or Afghanistan, it does not give them the right to kill innocent citizens in London or New York."

    People who believe in a Day of Judgment should have no qualms living with these restrictions.


    the socialist and nationalist strands in muslim societies failed in the late C20th
     
    Those ideologies were never indigenous to those people anyway*. I'm only surprised at how quickly they failed us.

    Peace.

    *People talk about the current Turk-Kurdish conflict. Prior to the abolition of the Caliphate and the introduction of nationalism, the "supra-ethnic" bonds were quite strong between the two communities:
    "Especially among the Kurds, the caliphate had been held in high esteem. When, at the outset of the First World War, the Sultan in his capacity of Caliph or supreme leader of all Orthodox Muslims proclaimed a jihad, most Kurds rallied to the call. The large sums that had been spent by Russians in an attempt to buy some Kurdish chiefs' loyalties were of no avail, nor could emotional appeals by Kurdish nationalists complete agains the Caliph's word...As Van Bruneissen observes, it was not until this supra-ethnic bond was severed with the elimination of the caliphate that 'more or less nationalist-inspired revolts' began to emerge among the Kurds."
    Longing for the Lost Caliphate: A Transregional History

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  240. Randal says:
    @Talha
    Good exchange by the way - I like to think these things out with people.

    A pleasure, as always.

    It’s always nice to discuss such issues with someone who can give and take whilst remaining both courteous and calm, even without necessarily agreeing.

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    It's times like this when I wish that I remembered those 3rd and 4th verses to Kumbaya.
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  241. Corvinus says:
    @epochehusserl
    What lawful measures do you believe people could take in order to prevent measures from taking place? When Black Lives Matter rushed the stage with Milo what should have been done for example?

    “What lawful measures do you believe people could take in order to prevent measures from taking place?”

    For starters, leave at home your mask, your shield sword, your tiki torch, or any other item that has the potential to incite the opposing side to likewise “arm” themselves. Have a group of people who you are ABSOLUTELY certain will only engage in a war of words with the opposing side. See, the radical right and radical left each have elements of criminality–they DESIRE to bash skulls. They want NOTHING more than a fight. Of course, bring your cell phone and camera and record EVERY incident of people who threaten you and/or attempt to cause bodily harm. If and when someone hits you, defend yourself. But KEEP recording and show that evidence to the police and demand that charges be filed.

    “When Black Lives Matter rushed the stage with Milo what should have been done for example?”

    Milo WANTED that confrontation to happen. He SOUGHT it out because he is an attention whore. The crowd should have NOT rushed him, they should have let him speak. Now, did Milo request a campus police presence? Did he bring body guards to protect him from the likelihood of the audience rushing in? To what extent was the campus police willing to arrest individuals who rushed the stage under the name of disturbing the peace? Were they directed by their superiors to “stand down”?

    Those are compelling questions I do not have the answers to.

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  242. Corvinus says:
    @lavoisier
    Because their ancestors created it. They should be the ones trying to save it.

    “Because their ancestors created it. They should be the ones trying to save it.”

    Yes, black, white, red, and yellow ancestors who built America.

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    Agreed. All who have helped to create a functioning Republic should want to preserve it regardless of race or class.

    But it is dishonest to pretend that a rainbow coalition created the American Republic. Sounds good, and it makes one want to sing We are the World with Bono and Michael Jackson, but it is simply not true.

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  243. iffen says:
    @Randal
    A pleasure, as always.

    It's always nice to discuss such issues with someone who can give and take whilst remaining both courteous and calm, even without necessarily agreeing.

    It’s times like this when I wish that I remembered those 3rd and 4th verses to Kumbaya.

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    Weren't they:

    "What's love gotta do, gotta do with it? What's love but a second hand emotion?"

    Or something of that sort...
    , @Randal
    It's quicker if you just type "get a room!"
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  244. RobinG says:
    @Talha
    Hey Randal,

    I have no idea what personal qualities of discipline, courage, etc
     
    They had a hell of a lot of courage - in that there is no doubt. They knew they were going to be pounded by multiple modern air forces and still fought.

    It’s longer than the respectable Muslim Brotherhood managed in Egypt, to name but one example.
     
    Correct - the MB has made a couple of moves that have been far too early and unprincipled. The first one was in Syria in the 80's. Again, one must know when to make the right move and when to be patient. They are still in the game and will continue to be since a lot of their support comes from what they do for the poor and underprivileged and many ulema support them:
    http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/videos/muslim-brotherhood-hospitals/

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/revolution-in-cairo/inside-muslim-brotherhood/piety-and-politics.html

    Are the people at the rallies willing to put in the effort to start up hospitals and other institutions to help Whites that are having a tough time? So that those White masses will side with them instead of the government? Or do they expect them to just be loyal simply out of skin color without any sacrifice on their part - why?


    Again, my point though is that respectability amongst human beings is amazingly plastic in response to power and success.
     
    Agreed - Tamerlane certainly has a statue for himself in certain parts. But you have to even have a certain level of appeal to break out from being an extreme minority. Daesh didn't even get past that in comparison to their opposition - I mean even the Qarmatis lasted for like a century.

    I think Black racist ideology should also be marginalized. I think it's as despicable as White racist ideology. Why can't we demand that both sides - on principle - marginalize their extremists? I mean, my community has our extremists - the vast majority of us want nothing to do with them - they bring us nothing but pain and hardship. Why should we coddle them because they are "a voice"?

    Peace.

    You referred to Emir Timur. “In certain parts” the term you used is pejorative.

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    Hey RobinG,

    Indeed - one must be careful in how to address kings that build towers out of skulls - especially in their presence:
    https://www.google.com/search?q=tamerlane+nasruddin&oq=tamerlane+nasruddin&gs_l=psy-ab.12...0.0.0.3833.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0....0...1..64.psy-ab..0.0.0.4_yUHWt3UaY

    I actually know a few Muslim brothers named Tamer (or some form of that name) - it is still quite popular.

    Peace.
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  245. Corvinus says:
    @Talha
    Somebody sent me RooshV's take on the rally which I thought was fairly well thought out. People need to ask themselves some serious questions about approach and if certain people are leadership material.

    http://www.returnofkings.com/128371/charlottesville-was-a-disaster-for-the-dissident-right

    I'll tell you one thing, if that lady (that was hit and killed by the car) was pregnant that would have been end game right there. This is big time now and people still think this is dress rehearsal.

    Peace.

    Let’s look at a few comments written by Roosh.

    “An important question is what to do next. Rallies and other public events should be crossed off the list unless you’re prepared to run them like a counter-terrorist operation, which is how I was able to pull off my Canadian lectures. It makes absolutely no sense to announce the time and place of your meeting for the main benefit of appearing in fake news, all to be ambushed by antifa who have nothing to lose through their felonious violence.”

    Absolutely. Except Roosh is blindsided by his Alt-Right buddies who attend these rallies and also engage in assault and battery.

    “If you insist on facing off with antifa, it’s going to be a fight that will likely lead to injury or imprisonment for you, but not imprisonment for them, and with the My Paycheck Matters police on the side of the state, it’s a hill you don’t want to die on until we enter a hot Civil War scenario.”

    The police are on the side of justice. The police were quick to protect Jason Kessler. The woman who punched him was tackled by police and arrested.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/protesters-chased-unite-the-right-rally-organizer-jason-kessler-out-of-press-conference-video-2017-8

    I do have to laugh when Roosh insists that “we [will] enter a hot Civil War scenario”. First, I’ll wait for the movie to come out. Second, I’m sure Roosh will be on the front lines just itchin’ for a fight.

    “Unless you’re an e-celeb with a huge ego, you don’t need public events, you don’t need to make the news, and you don’t need to gather massive groups of men you don’t know.”

    Milo and Cernovich should get with the program.

    “Build your movement slow and steady instead of attracting whack jobs who praise Hitler and run people over with cars. Create flash events where leftist foot soldiers don’t receive advance notice on their iPhones of your whereabouts, and focus on winning hearts and minds with poignant, effective, or humorous engagements that are publicized through images or video and allow you to grow slowly as you gain needed experience.”

    The new way to engage in public protest.

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    Hey Corvinus,

    His suggestions were fairly good overall don't you think?

    hot Civil War scenario
     
    That's not happening until I see answers for my post at #230. People still think this is games. They have no idea what they are talking about. They need to read about the Rabaa Massacre. They also need to read things like this:
    "The sound of gunfire had become commonplace everywhere as the army fired into the churning crowds. But whenever the tanks and infantry approached them, the demonstrators threw carnations at the troops. 'Brothers in the army,' they chanted, 'why are you killing your brothers?' Hearing these spine-chilling words, issuing from a million throats that spoke as one, was like hearing the ocean speak. Ayatollah Khomeini had been right: weeping young village draftees of eighteen or nineteen, sickened at killing other Iranians, would tear off their military insignia, stumble into the crowds, and give their guns to the demonstrators even as their comrades kept on shooting them."
    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2009/6/27/747568/-

    Also - everyone thinks they are the ones that'll win the civil war. As Mike Tyson said:
    "Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth."

    People who think they are ready for civil war should look across the Muslim world and see how awesome a hot civil war looks.

    Peace.
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  246. @Rurik

    So I sit in a place surrounded by white liberals who turn my stomach knowing that they’ll all be eaten first.
     
    reminds me of Boulder, CO

    which is actually a great place, because like so many bastions of liberalism, the only reason they still are is because they haven't lived with diversity up close and personal... yet.

    I watched them tear down some confederate statue last night on the TV, and realized that it was an orchestrated event, at a public facility, during the middle of the daylight, and yet there wasn't so much a security guard to protest.

    and this is the thing...

    the people vandalizing the property were all on video. I'm pretty sure such acts are still putatively illegal, but where is the news of arrests?!

    if a white guy knocked over the MLK statue, or scrawled graffiti on the Holocaust museum, and put his face all over the Internet doing it, is there a chance that he might be charged with something?

    and yet I haven't heard one peep from anywhere asking if these vandals will be so much as given a ticket for littering

    if this is the new paradigm, where -putatively human- criminals

    http://ww1.hdnux.com/photos/64/35/21/13751392/5/920x920.jpg

    are given full reign by the police and authorities to destroy the cultural icons of America's traditions and heritage, with full impunity, then we're heading into a very dangerous time indeed.

    The deepstate Jews and assorted scumfucks must feel like it's now or never. Perhaps they're afraid of their 9/11 narrative falling apart, or are sensing that there's a tipping point being reached with the Internet exposing too many of their crimes to keep a lid on it anymore, that they've decided to create an actual civil war here in the States.

    IDK

    but if none of those vandals are so much as even criticized, let alone arrested and shown doing a perp walk, then whoo-boy are we headed into dangerous times

    reminds me of Boulder, CO

    Except we were like Boulder before Boulder had any year round residents. And we are MUCH closer to Detroit. So more liberal, under more direct threat from the Africans, and no magnificent canyon roads for sports cars in summertime.

    but if none of those vandals are so much as even criticized, let alone arrested and shown doing a perp walk, then whoo-boy are we headed into dangerous times

    Wasn’t that in Durham? They’re expressing their power in these communist factories pretending to be universities, treading ever so carefully along the Mason-Dixon. I’m not sure how their act would play in other locales — I see they’re floating again the idea of scrubbing Stone Mountain and I suspect they’ll find more resistance than in liberal Durham. But you’re correct that they play with fire regardless. They control the hammer of government, but unless they want full blown Civil War 2.0 they have to use locals to crush their own. Sending in carpetbaggers will just light the fuse. And while we can no longer hope to fight our government, when their instrument of power against us lives down the road with his family.. Beyond the South there’s the whole Intermountain West and it’s fierce independent streak plus the quietly very angry Midwest and Northeast all of which will become difficult to manage if they see government stomping too happily on the faces of everyday Americans.

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    Wasn’t that in Durham?
     
    yea, and I've finally heard some peeps about arresting people

    but there are some who've I've heard (NPR) arguing that such acts of 'civil disobedience' should not be considered crimes. We'll see if the perps do any actual jail time.

    Beyond the South there’s the whole Intermountain West and it’s fierce independent streak plus the quietly very angry Midwest and Northeast all of which will become difficult to manage if they see government stomping too happily on the faces of everyday Americans.
     
    people condemn Trump, and I too have been extremely disappointed at some of the things he's done, but try to imagine what a Hillary administration would be like

    Assad would be gone and Syria would be another Libya

    and we'd probably be in a proxy war with Russia in Ukraine

    Obama would be sitting on the Supreme Court (the congress is controlled by the GOP, but we all know they're a bigger bunch of whores and traitors than even the Democrats).

    we'd have hate crime laws and likely any display of a Confederate flag would be considered hate speech. The monuments would all be taken down.

    if Hillary and her ilk were in power, do you think they'd hesitate to remove the Stone Mountain relief?

    http://cdn.history.com/sites/2/2013/11/georgia-stone-mountain-1.jpg

    the liberal/progressive SJW and their ((leadership)) are so hatred-consumed and intolerant of people they don't agree with that they make the Taliban look like a bastion of libertarian free thinkers.

    it sometimes gives me chills to just imagine what the world would be like under Hillary

    just imagine that cackling hag with her kill lists every morning
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  247. @SMK
    Because the left controls almost everything, we live in a nation in which Al Sharpton, a lying hatemonger and hoaxer who should have been buried in prison long ago for murder and tax-evasion, was invited to the White House over a 100 times during the Obama years, often to meet with and advise the President as his "go-to-man on race" and had a nightly talk show for 4-years on MSNBC and is described as a "civil rights activist," an appellation with positive, even heroic, connotations. We live in a nation in which BLM extemists -a quasi-terrorist organization that calls for the murder of white police officers ("what do we want, pigs in a blanket"), if not explicitly as a matter of policy then implicitly in their white-hating and police-hating rhetoric- were invited to the WH to meet with Obama and advise him on racial issues.

    And in the collusion with AG Eric Holder, Obama espoused