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In all the political drama taking place in the US as a result of the attempted color revolution against Trump, the bigger picture sometimes gets forgotten. And yet, this bigger picture is quite amazing, because if we look at it we will see irrefutable signs that the Empire in engaged in some bizarre slow motion version of seppuku and the only mystery left is who, or what, will serve as the Empire’s kaishakunin (assuming there will be one).

I would even argue that the Empire is pursuing a full-spectrum policy of self-destruction on several distinct levels, with each level contributing the overall sum total suicide. And when I refer to self-destructive behavior I don’t mean long-term issues such as the non-sustainability of the capitalist economic model or the social consequences of a society which not only is unable to differentiate right from wrong, but which now decrees that deviant behavior is healthy and normal. These are what I call “long term walls” into which we will, inevitably, crash, but which are comparatively further away than some “immediate walls”. Let me list a few of these:

Political suicide: the Neocons’ refusal to accept the election of Donald Trump has resulted in a massive campaign to de-legitimize him. What the Neocons clearly fail to see, or don’t care about, is that by de-legitimizing Trump they are also de-legitimizing the entire political process which brought Trump to power and upon which the United States is built as a society. As a direct result of this campaign, not only are millions of Americans becoming disgusted with the political system they were indoctrinated to believe in, but internationally the notion of “American democracy” is becoming a sad joke.

And just to make things worse, the US corporate media is finally revealing its true face and has now unapologetically shown the entire world that not only is it not in any way “fair” or “objective”, but that it is a 100% prostituted propaganda machine which faithfully serves the interests of the US “deep state”.

A key element of the quasi-constant brainwashing of the average American has always been the regular holding of elections. Never mind that, at least until now, the outcome of these elections made very little difference inside the US and none at all outside, the goal was never to consult the people – the goal has always been to give the illusion of democracy and people-power. Now that the Democrats say that the Russians rigged the elections and the Republicans say that it was the Democrats and their millions of dead voters who tried stealing it, it become rather obvious that these elections were always a joke, a pseudo-democratic “liturgy”, a brainwashing ritual – you name it – but never about anything real.

The emergence of the concept of the 1% can be “credited” to the Obama Administration, since it was during Obama that the entire “Occupy Wall Street” movement took off, but the ultimate unmasking of the viciously evil true face of that 1% must be credited to Hillary with her truly historical confession in which she openly declared that those who oppose her were a “basket of deplorables”. We already knew, thanks to Victoria Nuland, what the AngloZionist leaders thought of the people of Europe, now we know what they think of the people of the USA: exactly the same thing.

The bottom line is this: I don’t think that the moral authority and political credibility of the US have ever been lower than today. Decades of propaganda by Hollywood and the official US media machine have now collapsed and nobody buys that counter-factual nonsense anymore.

Foreign policy suicide: let’s see what options there are to choose from. The Neocons want a war with Russia which the Trump people don’t. The Trump people, however, want, well maybe not a war, although that option is very much on the table, but at least a very serious confrontation with China, North Korea or Iran, and about half of them would also like some kind of confrontation with Russia. There is absolutely nobody, at least at the top, who would dare to suggest that a confrontation or, even worse, a war with China, Iran, North Korea or Russia would be a disaster, a calamity for the USA. In fact, serious people with impressive credentials and a lot of gravitas are discussing these possibilities as if they were real, as it the US could in some sense prevail. This is laughable. Well, no, it is not. But it would be if it wasn’t so frightening and depressing. The truth is very, very different.

While it is probably not impossible for the United States to prevail, in purely military terms, against the DPRK in a war, the potential risks are nothing short of immense. And I don’t mean the risk posed by the North Korean nukes which, apparently, is also quite real. I mean the risk of starting a war against a country which has Seoul within conventional artillery range, an active duty army of well over one million people and 180,000 special forces. Let us assume for a second that the DPRK has no air force and no navy and an army composed of only 1M+ soldiers, 21k+ artillery pieces and 180k special forces. How do you propose to deal with that threat? If you have an easy, obvious solution, you have watched too many Hollywood movies. You probably also don’t understand the terrain.

ORDER IT NOW

But yes, the DPRK also has major wseaknesses and I cannot exclude that the North Korean armed forces would rapidly collapse under a sustained attack by the US and the ROK. I did not say that I believe that this would happen, only that I don’t exclude it. Should that happen, the US might well prevail relatively rapidly, at least in purely military terms. However, please keep in mind that any military operation has to serve a political goal and, in that sense, I cannot imagine any scenario under which the US would walk away from a war against the DPRK with anything remotely resembling a real “victory”. There is a paraphrase of something Ho Chi Minh allegedly told to the French in the 1940s which I really like. It goes like this:” we kill some of you, you kill a lot of us, and then we win”. That is how a war with the DPRK would probably play out. I call this the “American curse”: Americans are very good at killing people, but they are not good at winning wars. Still, in the case of the DPRK there is at least a possibility of a military victory, even if at a potentially huge cost. With Iran, Russia or China there is no such possibility at all: a war with any of them would be a guaranteed disaster (I wrote about a war in Iran here and about a war with Russia too many times to count). So why is it that even though out of the 4 possible wars, one is a potential disaster and the 3 others are a guaranteed disaster, why is it that these are discussed as if they were potential options?!

The reason for that can be found in the unique mix of crass ignorance and political cowardice of the entire US political class. First, a lot (most?) of US politicians believe in their own silly propaganda about the US armed forces being “the best” in “the world” (no evidence needed!). But even those who are smart enough to realize that this is a load of baloney which nobody outside the US still takes seriously, they know that saying that publicly is political suicide. So they pretend, go along, and keep on repetitively spewing the patriotic mantra about “rah, rah, USA, USA, ‘Merica number one, we are the best” etc. Some figure that since the US spends more on aggression that the rest of the planet combined, that must mean that the US armed forces must be “better” (whatever that means). To the birthplace of “bigger is better” the answer is self-evident. It is also completely wrong.

Eventually, something crazy inevitably happens. Like in Syria were the State Department had one policy, the Pentagon another and the CIA yet another one. The resulting cognitive dissonance is removed by engaging in classical doublethink: “yes, we screwed up over and over, but we are still the best”. Ironically, that kind of mindset is at the core of the American inability to learn from past mistakes. If the choice is between an honest evaluation of past operations and political expediency, the latter always prevails (at least amongst civilians, US servicemen are often far more capable of self-critical evaluation, especially in ranks up to Colonel and below, the problem here is that civilians and generals rarely listen to them).

The result is total chaos: the US foreign policy is wholly dependent on the US ability to threaten the use of military force, but the harsh reality is that every country out there which dared to defy Uncle Sam did that only after coming to the conclusion that the US did not have the means to crush it militarily. In other words, only the weak, which are already de-facto US colonies, fear the USA. Or, put differently, the only countries who dare to defy Uncle Sam are the strong ones (that was all quite predictable, but US politicians don’t know about Hegel or dialectics). And just to make it worse, there is no real US foreign policy. What there is is only the sum vector of the different foreign policies desired by various more or less covert “deep state” actors, agencies and individuals. That resulting “sum vector” is inevitably short-term, focuses on a quickfix approach, and unable to take into account any complexity.

As for the US “diplomacy” it simply doesn’t exist. You don’t need diplomats to deliver demands, bribes, ultimatums and threats. You don’t need educated people. Nor do you need people with any understanding of the “other”. All you need is one arrogant self-enamored bully and one interpreter (since US diplomats don’t speak the local languages either. And why would they?). We saw the most compelling evidence of the total rigor mortis of the US diplomatic corps when 51 US “diplomats” demanded that Obama bomb Syria. The rest of the world could just observe in amazement, sadness, bewilderment and total disgust.

The bottom line is this: there is no “US diplomacy”. The US have simply let that entire field atrophy to the point were it ceased to exist. When so many baffled observers try to understand what the US policy in the Ukraine or Syria is, they are making a mistaken assumption – that there is a US foreign policy to being with. I would argue that the US diplomacy slowly and quietly passed away, sometime after James Baker (the last real US diplomat, and a brilliant one at that).

Military suicide: the US military was never a very impressive one, certainly not when compared to the British, Russian or German ones. But it did have a couple of very strong points including the ability to produce a lot of technical innovations which made it possible to produce new, sometimes quite revolutionary, weapons. And if the US track record on ground operations was rather modest, the US did prove to be a most capable adversary in naval and aerial warfare. I don’t think that it can be denied that for most of the years following WWII the US had the most powerful and sophisticated navy and airforce in the world. Then, gradually, things started getting worse and worse as the costs of the very expensive ships and aircraft shot through the roof while the quality of the produced systems appeared to be gradually degrading. Weapons systems which looked nothing short of awesome in the lab and test grounds proved to be almost useless once they to to their end user on the battlefield. What happened? How did a country which produced the UH-1 Huey or the F-16 suddenly start producing Apaches and F-35s?! The explanation is painfully simple: corruption.

Not only did the US military industrial complex bloat beyond any reasonable size, it also cloaked itself in so many layers of secrecy that massive corruption became inevitable. And when I speak of “massive corruption” I am not talking about millions but billions or even trillions. How? Simple – the Pentagon claimed did not have the accounting tools needed to properly account for the missing money and that the money was therefore not really “missing”. Another trick – no bid contracts. Or contracts which cover all the private contractor’s costs, no matter how high or ridiculous. Desert Storm was a bonanza for the MIC, as was 9/11 and the GWOT. Billions of dollars got printed out of thin air, distributed (mostly under the cover of national security), hidden (secrecy) and stolen (by everybody in this entire food chain). The feeding frenzy was so extreme that one of my teachers as SAIS admitted, off the record of course, that he had never seen a weapons system he did not like or which he did not want to purchase. This man, whom I shall not name, was a former director of the US Arms Control and Disarmament Agency. Yes, you read that right. He was in charge of DIS-armament. You can imagine what the folks in charge of armament (no “dis) were thinking…

With the stratospheric rise of corruption, the kind of US general which had to be promoted went from fighting men who remembered Vietnam (where they often lost family members, relatives and friends) to “ass-kissing little chickenshits” like David Petraeus. In less than half a century US generals went from combat men, to managers, to politicians. And it is against this lackluster background that a rather unimpressive personality like General James Mattis can appear, at least to some, like a good candidate for Secretary of Defense.

Bottom line: the US armed forces are fantastically expensive and yet not particularly well-trained, well-equipped or well-commanded. And while they still are much more capable than the many European militaries (which are a joke), they are most definitely not the kind of armed forces needed to impose and maintain a world hegemony. The good news for the US is that the US armed forces are more than adequate to defend the US against any hypothetical attack. But as the backbone of the Empire – they are close to useless.

I could list many more types of suicides including an economic suicide, a social suicide, an educational suicide, a cultural suicide and, of course, a moral suicide. But others have already done that elsewhere, and much better than I could ever do myself. So all I will add here is one form of suicide which I believe the AngloZionist Empire has in common with the EU: a “Suicide by reality denial”: this is the mother and father of all the other forms of suicide – the stubborn refusal to look at reality and accept the fact that “the party is over”. When I see the grim determination of US politicians (very much including the people supporting Trump) to continue to pretend as if the US hegemony was here to stay forever, when I see how they see themselves as the leaders of the world and how they sincerely believe that they need to get involved in every conflict on the planet, I can only come to the conclusion that the inevitable collapse will be painful. To be fair, Trump himself clearly has moments of lucidity about this, for example when he recently declared to Congress

Free nations are the best vehicle for expressing the will of the people — and America respects the right of all nations to chart their own path. My job is not to represent the world. My job is to represent the United States of America. But we know that America is better off, when there is less conflict — not more.

These are remarkable words for which Trump truly deserves a standing ovation as they are the closest thing to a formal admission that the United States have given up on the dream of being the World Hegemon and that from now on the US President will no longer represent the interest of trans-national plutocracies but he will represent the interests of the American people. This sort of languge is nothing short of revolutionary, whether Trump truly delivers on that or not. Unlike everybody else, Trump does not appear to suffer from “suicide by reality denial” syndrome, but when I look at the people around him (nevermind the prostitutes in Congress) I wonder if he will ever get to act on his personal instincts.

Trump is clearly the best man in the Trump administration, he seems to have his heart in the right place and, unlike Hillary, he is clearly aware of the fact that the US armed forces are in a terrible shape. But a good heart and common sense are not enough to deal with the Neocons and the US deep state. You also need an iron will and a total determination to crush the opposition. Alas, so far Trump has failed to show either quality. Instead, Trump is trying to show how “tough” a guy he is by declaring that he will wipe out Daesh and by giving the Pentagon 30 days to come up with a plan to do this. Alas (for Trump), there is no way to crush Daesh without working with those who already have boots on the ground: the Iranians, the Russians and the Syrians. It is really that simple. And every American general knows that. Yet everybody is merrily plowing ahead is if there was some kind of possibility for the US to crush Daesh without establishing a partnership with Russia, Iran and Syria first (Erdogan tried that. It did him no good. Now he is working with Russia and Iran). Will the good folks at the Pentagon find the courage to tell Trump that “no, Mr President, we cannot do that alone, we need the Russians, the Iranians and the Syrians”? I very much doubt it. So, yet again, we are probably going to see a case of reality denial, maybe not a suicidal one, but a significant one nonetheless. Not good.

Who will be the Empire’s kaishakunin?

Alexander Solzhenitsyn used to say that all states can be placed on a continuum which ranges from states whose authority is based on their power to states whose power is based on their authority. I think that we can agree that the authority of the US is pretty close to zero. As for their power, it is still very substantial, but not sufficient to maintain the Empire. It is, however, more than adequate to protect the interests of the United States as a country provided the United States accept that they simply don’t have the means to remain a world hegemon.

ORDER IT NOW

If the Neocons succeed in their attempt to overthrow or, failing that, paralyzing Trump, then the Empire will have the choice between an endless horror or a horrible end. Since the Neocons don’t really need a war with the DPRK, which they don’t like, but which does not elicit the kind of blind hatred Iran does, my guess is that Iran will be their number one target. Should the AngloZionists succeed in triggering a war between Iran and the Empire, then Iran will end up being the Empire’s kaishakunin. If the crazies fail in their manic attempts at triggering a major war, then the Empire will probably collapse under the pressure of the internal contradictions of the US society. Finally, if Trump and the American patriots who do not want to sacrifice their country for the sake of the Empire succeed in “draining the DC swamp” and finally crack-down hard on the Neocons then a gradual transition from Empire to major power is still possible. But the clock is running out fast.

 
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  1. Saker

    Trump like Obama has the moral spine of a jelly fish.

    The canon fodder issue affects my family in very very real time at the moment. I despise Trump with every fiber of my being. He is onboard with the escalation of the US Military presence in the Middle East and on Christians Russia’s borders. And I am beginning to hate Alt Right WASPS who want a Trump Dynasty to rule America….mounting hatred towards the Alt Right.

    I don’t even sleep at night because of the canon fodder issue.

    Trump=Greater Israel via Kushner…..

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    • Agree: Tom Welsh
    • Replies: @Kyle McKenna
    Trump is barely hanging on against the governmedia-industrial complex, and as a complete outsider with no political apparatus behind him, he simply has to play ball with the Powers That Be.

    Yes, it's distasteful. And I don’t like it any more than you or anyone else here does. I want Trump to remain true to the person he was when his campaign first took off. But the complex mentioned above, along with both major political parties and the notorious ‘deep state’, will happily destroy him without a second thought, and are trying their best.

    If Trump’s supporters took to the streets in appreciable numbers, perhaps it might be different. But we have seen that they will be beaten (literally) without consequence, and with their every move — even their character and identity — deliberately misrepresented by the MSM.

    Compounding the problem is that Trump isn't exactly a paragon of propriety or integrity. But who thought he was? The election came down to a choice between Evil and Crazy, and we rightly chose Crazy.

    Do you have a constructive proposal for this state of affairs? Preferably one that is fairly realistic? So far you've pretty much said that you hate everyone. That's not constructive.

    , @grapesoda
    Maybe your stupid relative shouldn't have signed up for the army. No one is forced to join anymore, not since Vietnam. So stop trying to blame Trump for it. What did your relative think joining the Army was just a nice way to get a cushy payday without having to do any real work or face any danger? BIG MISTAKE.
    , @Seraphim
    @Trump=Greater Israel via Kushner…..

    Suicide by reality denial”: this is the mother and father of all the other forms of suicide – the stubborn refusal to look at reality and accept the fact that “the party is over”.

    The Third Temple won't be! It was destroyed once and for all. All attempts to re-build it have failed.

    , @Alden
    We don't have a draft. So, if you don't mind my asking, how does the cannon fodder affect you? Recruits choose to go into the military. No one is conscripted.
    , @Zorost
    You are babbling nonsense. Pay attention to what Trump says and does, the difference between the 2, and MOST IMPORTANTLY what results from those things. He doesn't go out and make a statement that is 100% factual for the sake of being factual, he makes statements to get certain results. He wrote a book about this, perhaps you should consult it before coming to conclusions.

    If you can't comprehend subtle manipulation and power plays perhaps politics isn't something you should indulge in studying.
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  2. Trump’s White Guy Trump Bros have given Emperor Trump a blank check to use the Working Class Native Born White American Teenage Male population from the economically distressed American Heartland as canon fodder for Greater Israel….When you hear a White Guy Trump Bro yell “WHAT A STUD!!!’ during an NFL Super Bowl..Party…..that’s the freedom that the White Working Class Teenage Males are dying for and maimed protecting….Greater Israel’s Robert Kraft is smiling…..

    America is endstage moral dissipation-social-cultural malignant colon cancer writ large….Trump is the final malignant tumor….

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  3. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    Yes, it is the generality of American decline, decay, decadence and depravity that is truly shocking, the possibility of recovery apparently nonexistent. As the disintegration of the US becomes increasingly obvious, let us hope that the revelation forces Europe to come to its senses, reclaim its independence, restore its borders, rebuild its military, and rediscover the will to live.

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  4. @War for Blair Mountain
    Saker

    Trump like Obama has the moral spine of a jelly fish.

    The canon fodder issue affects my family in very very real time at the moment. I despise Trump with every fiber of my being. He is onboard with the escalation of the US Military presence in the Middle East and on Christians Russia's borders. And I am beginning to hate Alt Right WASPS who want a Trump Dynasty to rule America....mounting hatred towards the Alt Right.

    I don't even sleep at night because of the canon fodder issue.

    Trump=Greater Israel via Kushner.....

    Trump is barely hanging on against the governmedia-industrial complex, and as a complete outsider with no political apparatus behind him, he simply has to play ball with the Powers That Be.

    Yes, it’s distasteful. And I don’t like it any more than you or anyone else here does. I want Trump to remain true to the person he was when his campaign first took off. But the complex mentioned above, along with both major political parties and the notorious ‘deep state’, will happily destroy him without a second thought, and are trying their best.

    If Trump’s supporters took to the streets in appreciable numbers, perhaps it might be different. But we have seen that they will be beaten (literally) without consequence, and with their every move — even their character and identity — deliberately misrepresented by the MSM.

    Compounding the problem is that Trump isn’t exactly a paragon of propriety or integrity. But who thought he was? The election came down to a choice between Evil and Crazy, and we rightly chose Crazy.

    Do you have a constructive proposal for this state of affairs? Preferably one that is fairly realistic? So far you’ve pretty much said that you hate everyone. That’s not constructive.

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    • Agree: lavoisier
    • Replies: @jacques sheete

    Trump is barely hanging on against the governmedia-industrial complex, and as a complete outsider with no political apparatus behind him, he simply has to play ball with the Powers That Be.
     
    Unfortunately it really doesn't work that way. E.g., Rand Paul tried that supposedly clever route and he's still a goofy (bleep). And always will be.

    Here's how it works: (1000 word Short story).

    Hristo Smirnenski, THE TALE OF THE STAIRS

    http://www.slovo.bg/showwork.php3?AuID=386&WorkID=13571&Level=1


    "Who are you?" The Devil asked him.
    "I am a plebeian by birth and all ragged folk are my brothers. How terrible the world is, how wretched the people are!"

    It was a young man who spoke with head erect and clenched fists. He stood at the foot of the Stairs - a high white staircase of rose-flecked marble. He gazed fixedly into the distance where the grey crowds of poverty stirred like the turbid waters of a swollen river. The crowds surged and seethed, raised a forest of thin black arms, thunderous cries of wrath and indignation rent the air and the echo faded slowly and solemnly like distant gun-fire.

    The crowds grew and grew nearer in clouds of yellow dust, single silhouettes showed more distinctly against the grey horizon. An old man approached, bent low to the ground as if seeking lost youth. A barefoot little girl clutched his ragged clothes and stared at the high Stairs with mild cornflower-blue eyes. Stared and smiled. Then thin grey figures came all in rags, singing a long-drawn funeral chorus. Someone whistled shrilly, somebody else thrusting his hands in his pockets laughed loud and harshly and insanity blazed in his eyes.

    "I am a plebeian by birth and all ragged folk are my brothers. How terrible the world is, how wretched the people are! But you there, you at the top there..."
    It was a young man who spoke with head erect and fists clenched in manace.
    "So you hate those up at the top," the Devil asked, and styly leaned forward towards the young man.

    "I shall have my revenge on those nobles and princes. I shall cruelly avenge my brothers - my brothers whose faces are as yellow as sand and who groan more bitterly than the blizzards of December. See their naked bleeding bodies, hear their groans! I shall avenge them. Let me go!"
    The Devil smiled: "I am the guardian of those at the top and without a bribe I shall not betray them."

    "I have no gold. I have nothing with which to bribe you... I am poor, a youth in rags... But I am willing to give up my life..."

    Again the Devil smiled: "O no, I do not ask as much as that. Just give me your hearing."
    "My hearing? Gladly... May I never hear anything any more, may I..."
    "You still shall hear," the Devil assured him, and made way for him. "Pass!"
    The young man set off at a run and had taken three steps in one stride when the hairy hand of the Devil caught him.

    "That's enough! Now pause and listen to your brothers groaning below."
    The young man paused and listened.
    "How strange! Why have they suddenly begun to sing happy songs and to laugh light-heartedly?..." Again he set off at a run.

    Again the Devil stopped him. "For you to go three more steps I must have your eyes."
    The young man made a gesture of despair. "But then I shall be unable to see my brothers or those I go to punish."
    "You still shall see them..." The Devil said. "I will give you different, much better eyes."
    The young man rose three more steps and looked back.

    "See your brothers' naked bleeding bodies," the Devil prompted him.
    "My God, how very strange! When did they manage to don such beautiful clothes? And not bleeding wounds but splendid red roses deck their bodies..."

    At every third stair the Devil exacted his little toll. But the young man proceeded, willingly giving everything he had in order to reach his goal and to punish the well-fed nobles and princes. Now one step, just one last step remained and he would be at the top. Then indeed he would avenge his brothers.

    "I am a plebeian by birth and all ragged folk..."
    "Young man, one last step still remains. Just one more step and you shall have your revenge. But for this last step I always exact a double toll: give me your heart and give me your memory."
    The young man protested.

    "My heart? No, that is too cruel!"
    The Devil gave a deep and masterful laugh: "I am not so cruel as you imagine. In exchange I will give you a heart of gold and a brand-new memory. But if you refuse me, then you shall never avenge your brothers whose faces are the colour of sand and who groan more bitterly than December blizzards."

    The young man saw irony in the Devil's green eyes.

    "But there will be nobody then more wretched than I. You are taking away all my human nature."
    "On the contrary, nobody shall be happier than you. Well, do you agree: just your heart and memory?"

    The young man pondered, his face clouded over, beads of sweat ran from the furrowed brow, in anger he tightened his fists and through clenched teeth said: "Very well, then. Take them!"

    ...And like a swift summer storm of rage and wrath, his dark locks flying in the wind, he crossed the final step. He was now at the very top. And a broad a smile suddenly in his face, his eyes now shone with tranquil joy and his fists relaxed. He looked at the nobles revelling there and looked down to the roaring, cursing, grey ragged crowds below. He gazed, but not a muscle of his face quivered: his face was radiant, happy and content. The crowds he saw below were in holiday attire and their groans were now hymns.

    "Who are you?" the Devil asked in a low sly voice.

    "I am a prince by birth and the gods are my brothers. How beautiful the world is and how happy are the people!"
  5. wayfarer says:

    The self-serving global oligarchy is mankind’s malignant tumor. Their worst nightmare is the day humanity realizes it makes more sense to wage war surgically from the top-down, rather than with blunt force from the bottom-up.

    http://www.beyondthemediamatrix.net/

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  7. You point out the obvious targets, like Iran, NK, Russia, and China, as well as the reasons why they’re not good targets. However, you’re missing the less obvious:

    Europe. The migrant crisis and potential EU breakup provides many possible triggers, and their miniscule armies and lack of nukes provide no way to prevent it. If the warmongers need a target anyways, and everyone seems to hate Europe, why not hold the next great war in the same venue as the last 2?

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    • Replies: @JustJeff
    Marine Le Pen somehow wins the second round of voting, the EU calls for American troops to overthrow her, deep state goes all in and deposes Trump, American troops roll into Paris and reinstall a neoliberal puppet regime. We'll be like the Soviets in Czechoslovakia circa 1968.
    , @in the middle
    miniscule armies and lack of nukes.

    Last I checked, France and England are in Europe. About six hundred nukes combined.
  8. Malema says:

    America is a like a suicide bomber. They will take the rest of the world down with their suicide.

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  9. Miro23 says:

    Should the AngloZionists succeed in triggering a war between Iran and the Empire, then Iran will end up being the Empire’s kaishakunin.

    I’m not sure about the “AngloZionist” term. Anglos are more a target than an ally of US Zionists, bring actively demonized and “diversified” out in hiring decisions across the board (ironically rather like Jews in the Germany of the 1930′s). Iran is a prime target of Zionists not Anglos. Anglos voted for Trump to stop ME wars and use resources for US infrastructure, but now that they’ve enabled his election, he seems to be sliding towards the Deep State (who he needs to stay in power) with their Iran War agenda.

    It’s probably more likely that China will be the Empire’s kaishakunin.

    There’s a limit to fighting wars on credit, and an Iran war is potentially just as costly as the Iraq war – including the further regional turmoil and challenge to Chinese and Russian interests. The key metric has to be US Bond prices which are already relying on FED support through lack of foreign interest (i.e. the US is creating and buying its own bonds = printing money).

    The kaishakunin moment would be the dumping of US bonds by the major Chinese and Japanese holders while the US commits its Iran War economic suicide. A dollar collapse/inflation would put Trumps focus straight right back on his electoral base who wouldn’t be so friendly this time round.

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    • Replies: @lavoisier
    AngloZionist is a bit imprecise. But The Saker is correct that the Zionists have managed to weld themselves into the Anglosphere almost seamlessly, and in the process their influence over world events has been magnified exponentially.

    Why this happened is a subject for historians.

    But that it has happened is unfortunately indisputable.

    It may yet mean World War III.

  10. we will see irrefutable signs that the Empire in engaged in some bizarre slow motion version of seppuku and the only mystery left is who, or what, will serve as the Empire’s kaishakunin (assuming there will be one).

    I don’t know about your samurai idioms. Samurai stuff suggest honorifics, and I observe none of that. Rather, a ‘banana republic’ comes to mind. Not honorifics, but low-class barbarity. For example, this morning I read that a major establishment tv channel made a point, last night, of ridiculing Mr Trump’s daughter. Wtf? Who does that?

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    • Replies: @bluedog
    Well they did the same to Truman's daughter when he was president, so there is nothing strange about that..
  11. Cyrano says:

    Finally an article that I agree with almost 100%. Brilliant. Keep up the good work.

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  12. Tom Welsh says:

    “I mean the risk of starting a war against a country which has Seoul within conventional artillery range, an active duty army of well over one million people and 180,000 special forces”.

    Not to mention a country that is wedged in a small corner between China and Russia, rather like a telephone handset awkwardly held between shoulder and jaw. Try smashing that handset without harming, or at least angering, the person holding it!

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  13. Well done, Saker.
    I feel that Trump still has a sufficiently universal vision because of his worldwide business experience to prevail in this except for one thing, and it’s a big one. He is surrounded by so much ad hominem ill will he has to rely on whomever is not out to destroy him and the choices are really slim.

    I can’t recall when anyone in a similar situation, including Richard Nixon facing impeachment, was the object of such universal scorn and ill will. I have elsewhere described this phenomenon in the schoolyard sense of “piling on” which even as kids we knew was dirty. Barack Obama can’t refrain from this sneaky impulse although maybe concern for his massive book deal and legacy polishing have something to do with his actions.

    For Trump to survive and prevail he could use the public moral support that could be offered by important Democrats who have the gumption and vision to visit the White House publicly. He is, after all, our POTUS.

    http://robertmagill.wordpress.com

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    • Replies: @Art
    This is really good for lough, "business experience", hahaha, get a life he was bankrupt 5 times, he had thousands of lawsuits because he didn't pay salary for his workers, you will be surprised to see what next for you all, fasten your seatbelts because americans are going for very bumpy and rough ride.
  14. Tom Welsh says:

    ‘As for the US “diplomacy” it simply doesn’t exist. You don’t need diplomats to deliver demands, bribes, ultimatums and threats’.

    As I read those words, I was strongly reminded of a thriller I recently read: “No Mortal Thing” by Gerald Seymour. It centres on the Ndrangheta, a vicious South Italian criminal organisation. According to Seymour, its bosses are often little more than ignorant peasants – but they focus on what they are good at, which is drug-running, prostitution, kidnapping, protection rackets, and of course murder. It’s their proficiency at murder that keeps the whole racket going, because anyone who opposes them gets it in the neck (often in rather horrible ways) sooner rather than later.

    As I think it through, I can’t see much difference between the US federal government and the Ndrangheta except for the scale of their operations.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%27Ndrangheta

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    • Replies: @jacques sheete

    As I think it through, I can’t see much difference between the US federal government and the Ndrangheta except for the scale of their operations.

     

    You are correct that it's protection racket.

    Have you read this classic?

    In an effort to PREVENT the war that Churchill called “unnecessary,” (WW2,) this 2 time Medal of Honor recipient wrote...

    “… I spent most of my [33 years in the Marine Corps] being a high class muscle- man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers.

    In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for [crony] capitalism.”

    Major General S. Butler USMC, War is a Racket, 1935

    http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html

     

  15. Tom Welsh says:

    “I don’t think that it can be denied that for most of the years following WWII the US had the most powerful and sophisticated navy and airforce in the world”.

    Although perhaps it had some clandestine help. Readers of James Hamilton-Paterson’s superb book “Empire of the Clouds” will find it hard to avoid the feeling that something very nasty was happening behind the scenes as the British aircraft industry dwindled from its peak in 1945 to disappear altogether in a few decades. On the face of it the cause was a succession of horrible government decisions, combined with incompetent management.

    But – especially after a certain amount of exposure to CIA methods – one starts to feel that there are limits to incompetence. It is well known that Britain ran out of cash in 1940-1 and had to fall back on begging for help from the USA. This was given, but not free of charge. The overt debts were finally paid off in, I think it was, 2006. Other forms of payment included the handing over of British bases all round the world, and the transfer (free of charge) of priceless technical secrets to do with radar, the jet engine, nuclear weapons, and other things.

    What if, even after 1945, British governments were forced by Washington to destroy their aircraft industry and hand over all its secrets to the USA? Before dismissing this idea out of hand, read the following two articles:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miles_M.52

    https://www.theengineer.co.uk/september-1946-the-miles-52-the-supersonic-aircraft-that-never-was/

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    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    Add integrated circuits and computer memory to that list.
    , @Christian
    A great deal of the British aircraft industry was transfered to Canada.
    Culminating in the first Avro Jet Liner, the Avro Arrow interceptor and the probably most significantly the Iroquois engine.
    All of which though first rate were dismantled in face of pressure from the US. A case can be made that the Avro Arrow though extremely sophisticated was too expensive for a threat evolving into intercontinental ballistic missiles. No such case can be made for the Iroquois engine or the Jet Liner.
    State department records make clear that US pressure on Canada to dismantle its independent aerospace industry (populated with a large number of Brits) was real and not some conspiracy theory.
  16. Tom Welsh says:

    As a pendant to the article’s conclusion, may I mention the following novel which portrays similar events in a most detailed and plausible scenario?

    “Twilight’s Last Gleaming” by John Michael Greer.

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  17. White Obama is far more efficient murderer than nobelized one before him.
    There is a report claiming that drone atrocities have gone up 432% since he became Assassin in Chief.
    Neocons should support and embrace him, he has embraced them and their agenda .

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  18. Depending who you ask, Trump was either supposed to be the kaishakunin (the view of ‘the deplorables’) or Trump is the kaishakunin (the view of the panicked left-leaning rabble). To the deep-state, MSM, and the criminal elite, he is merely a speed bump to run over on their way to relegating the vast majority of us to what they see as our rightful role as serfs.

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  19. First came the ideology; ie, supremacism of the old [and new] clero-noble class, now at least ten k years old, then the structures of society [usually divided in ten or more cliques, castes, or classes], then governance [the system of rule, the empty constitution] and then the governments or so-called governments.

    But the three aspects shape one political reality, not two; ie, that of the Democrats and the Republicans; both serving by and large the two top classes only.

    But whether we approve of Trump or not he did awake Americans and many now see this very ugly and perilous reality that America is fake country; with fake Press, fake MSM, fake CIA/FBI/army and police chiefs, fake Congress, fake W.H., fake americanism, fake America First, and fake
    Americans.

    And i am not going to tell you when i saw that; except that it wasn’t yesterday or today.

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  20. Randal says:

    A magnificent polemic.

    And, if overstated and questionable here and there on details, nevertheless surely still overall a good summary of the situation.

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  21. @Tom Welsh
    "I don’t think that it can be denied that for most of the years following WWII the US had the most powerful and sophisticated navy and airforce in the world".

    Although perhaps it had some clandestine help. Readers of James Hamilton-Paterson's superb book "Empire of the Clouds" will find it hard to avoid the feeling that something very nasty was happening behind the scenes as the British aircraft industry dwindled from its peak in 1945 to disappear altogether in a few decades. On the face of it the cause was a succession of horrible government decisions, combined with incompetent management.

    But - especially after a certain amount of exposure to CIA methods - one starts to feel that there are limits to incompetence. It is well known that Britain ran out of cash in 1940-1 and had to fall back on begging for help from the USA. This was given, but not free of charge. The overt debts were finally paid off in, I think it was, 2006. Other forms of payment included the handing over of British bases all round the world, and the transfer (free of charge) of priceless technical secrets to do with radar, the jet engine, nuclear weapons, and other things.

    What if, even after 1945, British governments were forced by Washington to destroy their aircraft industry and hand over all its secrets to the USA? Before dismissing this idea out of hand, read the following two articles:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miles_M.52
    https://www.theengineer.co.uk/september-1946-the-miles-52-the-supersonic-aircraft-that-never-was/

    Add integrated circuits and computer memory to that list.

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    • Replies: @Tom Welsh
    Well, not during WW2 to my knowledge! But since 1945, Britain has invented so many of the fundamental advances in computing - virtual memory, for example. But I'm not sure even I can blame all that on governmental shenanigans. It's undeniable that Britain is incredibly advanced in the art of bad, lousy, terrible, indescribably frightful management. We have lots of clever people who invent stuff, and then entrepreneurs abroad make masses of money out of them - and Britain buys them back from abroad.

    Like the fabulous story of the Leo computers. After 1945, Lyons - the tea shop chain - got together some of the Bletchley Park crew and others, and they threw together this mainframe computer, which was called Leo ("lion"). It did the accounts for Lyons, and they only needed the one - so they laid everyone off. Then various other companies came visiting and they were all thrilled by the computer, and several of them wanted one of their own. So each time the crew was reassembled and built another one-off. Somebody even asked if it might be a good idea to set up a factory and make the things to sell. You know, like for profit. But Lyons' management weren't interested. "We're in the tea and buns business," they said. "We don't know from computers".

    Presently some men in suits came along from some American company that made tabulators. They made lots of notes and went back home, and shortly after Lyons - together with most other British institutions - began relying on IBM computers.

    You really couldn't make it up.
  22. I agree the US needs to be hospitalized for its DSM IV cluster B disorders and suicidal tendencies. What if Trump actually shows he has good sense and a spine? His rule is not permanent. He can’t cut a deal because the deep state won’t go along with it. The most he has is 8 years as ruler. War is a racket and these industries tied to it aren’t going to want the US to change policy. One solution is to pay them to do something useful. Space mining or something but its less fun and glamorous for these psychopaths.

    I’d rather Iran be America’s kaishakunin than a nuclear power. At least the Iranians don’t have nukes. The problem is though that after death the Neocons can still terrorize the world with nuclear weapons. Why wouldn’t they use nuclear weapons as leverage? They aren’t much different than Kim Jong Un. They are adept at lying, its their Sophist Straussian heritage at work. The Sophist argue “might makes right” and America’s nuclear arsenal is very mighty indeed. In the end the nuclear powers may have to put the undead US out of its misery in a nuclear kaishakunin which I fear the most.

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    • Replies: @The Scalpel
    Who says Iran does not have nukes? They might not MAKE nukes, but North Korea might have a few to spare for the right price
  23. alexander says:

    It is truly shocking how far and fast the USA has fallen in a mere 16 years.

    Truly shocking.

    Is it wrong for any of us to remember back to the year 2000, when our constitution still existed, when the rule of law oriented our nation towards peace, prosperity and good will ?

    Our government was even operating at a 250 billion dollar yearly surplus.

    Can you believe it, Saker?……….. a 250 billion dollar surplus !

    We had a reasonably healthy GDP to debt ratio of 2 to 1. We were paying down our national debt. There was little inflation, Our currency and our bonds were golden. We had the most robust economy in the world, a substantial middle class,the most powerful military on the planet, and the finest doctrine ever conceived, to guide us, The Constitution of the United States.

    Sure , 9-11 shocked us all.It was terrible. But the crystal clear mandate of the American people to bring its perpetrators to justice, was usurped by our Neocon overlords into bombing, attacking, destroying and occupying six nations that never attacked us at all.

    How is this possible ?

    And where are we all, today, because of it ?

    After spending close to a trillion dollars on “Homeland Security” to eradicate terror, there were MORE terror events over the last two years than there were in the entire forty year period, before 9-11, when we had no Homeland Security at all.

    Our lawmakers have OVERSPENT in treasure, 14.3 TRILLION DOLLARS in sixteen years.

    Our National debt has now, for the first time in memory, ECLIPSED our GDP.

    What good have any of our policies produced ? Anywhere ?

    We have murdered perhaps over a million innocent people, destroyed the lives of tens of millions of decent families, created the greatest refugee crisis since WWII, and burdened future generations of US taxpayers with a whopping 20 trillion dollar debt which nobody wants to discuss.

    How can any of this behavior qualify as being even remotely germane to our national interests ?

    Our empire, and the Neocon overlords who rule it , have failed us in nearly every conceivable way.

    Their empire has been built on fraud, insolvency, and “unconstitutional” belligerence, nothing more.

    Do we really need them or their pernicious ideologies guiding us into the future where there is no future at all. ?

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    • Replies: @Druid
    All true Ana amazingly sad!
    911 was an inside job
  24. Reality denial???? How can you even think such a thing? Why here’s a Swedish politician who truly understands what Sweden’s most important problem is.

    Sweden’s environment minister has said reducing car numbers is a feminist issue as well as a matter of meeting carbon emissions targets, saying male drivers occupy space in Swedish cities ‘at women’s expense’.

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/03/10/sweden-car-feminism-driven-mostly-men/

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  25. Tom Welsh says:
    @Philip Owen
    Add integrated circuits and computer memory to that list.

    Well, not during WW2 to my knowledge! But since 1945, Britain has invented so many of the fundamental advances in computing – virtual memory, for example. But I’m not sure even I can blame all that on governmental shenanigans. It’s undeniable that Britain is incredibly advanced in the art of bad, lousy, terrible, indescribably frightful management. We have lots of clever people who invent stuff, and then entrepreneurs abroad make masses of money out of them – and Britain buys them back from abroad.

    Like the fabulous story of the Leo computers. After 1945, Lyons – the tea shop chain – got together some of the Bletchley Park crew and others, and they threw together this mainframe computer, which was called Leo (“lion”). It did the accounts for Lyons, and they only needed the one – so they laid everyone off. Then various other companies came visiting and they were all thrilled by the computer, and several of them wanted one of their own. So each time the crew was reassembled and built another one-off. Somebody even asked if it might be a good idea to set up a factory and make the things to sell. You know, like for profit. But Lyons’ management weren’t interested. “We’re in the tea and buns business,” they said. “We don’t know from computers”.

    Presently some men in suits came along from some American company that made tabulators. They made lots of notes and went back home, and shortly after Lyons – together with most other British institutions – began relying on IBM computers.

    You really couldn’t make it up.

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    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    Not to mention much tape drive technology, 3.5" disk drives in which yours truly played a part, LCD's, I attended the funeral service ... Oh and packet switching which enabled Darpanet. But as Basil de Ferranti said, the Americans have more money.
    , @Hibernian
    There was this thing called ENIAC at the University of Pennsylvania. Also John Vincent Atanasoff and Clifford Berry at Iowa State University (my alma mater.)
    , @Terencio
    There is no mystery here guys. Discoveries mean nothing without the capital to take advantage of them. This is the classic steam shovel example. Let's say a steam shovel uses the same iron as 1000 shovels, and does the same work as 10,000 men with shovels. Suppose I give a poor society the plans for a steam shovel. If they don't have the money to build it, the 10:1 advantage in productivity is meaningless. That was Britain's problem, lack of money available to invest, not bad management.
    Today we see the same issue with America. As we fritter away our wealth on useless losing wars, China advances in science, industry, and capital accumulation. Deep State assholes, enjoy your domination while it lasts.
  26. JustJeff says:
    @Beelzeboss
    You point out the obvious targets, like Iran, NK, Russia, and China, as well as the reasons why they're not good targets. However, you're missing the less obvious:

    Europe. The migrant crisis and potential EU breakup provides many possible triggers, and their miniscule armies and lack of nukes provide no way to prevent it. If the warmongers need a target anyways, and everyone seems to hate Europe, why not hold the next great war in the same venue as the last 2?

    Marine Le Pen somehow wins the second round of voting, the EU calls for American troops to overthrow her, deep state goes all in and deposes Trump, American troops roll into Paris and reinstall a neoliberal puppet regime. We’ll be like the Soviets in Czechoslovakia circa 1968.

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  27. grapesoda says:
    @War for Blair Mountain
    Saker

    Trump like Obama has the moral spine of a jelly fish.

    The canon fodder issue affects my family in very very real time at the moment. I despise Trump with every fiber of my being. He is onboard with the escalation of the US Military presence in the Middle East and on Christians Russia's borders. And I am beginning to hate Alt Right WASPS who want a Trump Dynasty to rule America....mounting hatred towards the Alt Right.

    I don't even sleep at night because of the canon fodder issue.

    Trump=Greater Israel via Kushner.....

    Maybe your stupid relative shouldn’t have signed up for the army. No one is forced to join anymore, not since Vietnam. So stop trying to blame Trump for it. What did your relative think joining the Army was just a nice way to get a cushy payday without having to do any real work or face any danger? BIG MISTAKE.

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    • Replies: @War for Blair Mountain
    That's very much a selfish Libertarian world view where everyone is a greedy maximizing utility function with perfect rationality.

    The real world is just the opposite especially when it comes to White Teenage Males from White Working Class Families-and this is the world the Pentagon knows is true and real...and the Pentagons' TV recruiting commercials take advantage of that desperation.

    White Working Class Teenage boys don't make free choices...they make "free" choices....but you demand they suffer the full consequences of the Army Recruiter's lies.

    What a sack of shit you are. If only the CHICKENHAWK-War Hawk White Guy Trump Bros were drafted and parachuted into downtown Mosul with an m-16. We would no longer have to listen to White Girly Boy Cuck Libertarians schrieks about free choice and the "moral" consequences of free choice when it comes to very desperate Working Class Teenage Makes....And this is what it is at the end of the day:White Girly Boy Libertarian hatred of the White Working Class...while Trump's sons cut multi-$$$$$$ bizness deals in Dubai...and jet back for tennis in Palm Springs....

    You sicko...I suspect that you enjoy the Wounded Warrior Project Commercials


    The narcissist Donald Trump doesn't get a blank check to use the White Teenage Male Population as canon fodder for Greater Israel...but you apparently think he does get a blank check to do this.
    , @george strong
    Most readers of your rant are hoping your relative comes back in a bag.
    , @KA
    You forgot the part of the subliminal implicit contract that t is automatically assumed will be honored by the Government , assumed by those who join the army - a defensive war, a war for the interest of the country , a war to have a political goal in mind , combination of diplomacy and power and during and post deployment support to the soldiers .Instead they are sent to kill who have no animus to anyone beyond outside their villages and asked to deal with morality through untreated PTSD .
    , @1776VtGMB
    The reality... jobs left due to NAFTA and 0.1% greed.
    Young Americans only had one job choice left---
    the military.
  28. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    I’m waiting to see how things shake out. It’s still early on in the new administration, less than sixty days. Right now there’s a struggle to establish and strengthen itself domestically so that’s going to absorb it’s energies for a while. The rhetoric may just be a part of this positioning process so it might be mistaken to put too much emphasis on any one statement, especially when much of it sounds contradictory. Anyway, what was there to choose from in the last election? The Republican lineup, apart from Trump, were stupid beyond belief and pretty much bought-off tools of various factions of the .1%. Clinton would have been like voting for the devil to be president which many deluded Americans apparently thought was a suitable pick.
    American wars have been mostly expeditionary ones, wars of choice. That’s why the propaganda level has to be so high, so thick. You have to convince the public there’s something worth fighting for, something worth getting maimed for and paying big money for. That’s why it has to be so heavily weaponized, to keep the casualty level below a certain level so as not to create political unrest as with Vietnam. The reasons given have been vague, such as ‘building democracy’, which has led some Americans to become disgruntled with this supposed effort by way of claiming that people like the Afghans and Iraqis are ungrateful for all we’ve tried to do for them. That’s a real mental gyration, that we’re just too good for those unworthy folks. Reality has a weight of it’s own and one hopes we don’t have to learn it the hard way.

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    • Replies: @pogohere
    "so as not to create political unrest as with Vietnam"

    No draft, no political unrest. Ask anyone who had a low-mid lottery number in the 1960s.
  29. @grapesoda
    Maybe your stupid relative shouldn't have signed up for the army. No one is forced to join anymore, not since Vietnam. So stop trying to blame Trump for it. What did your relative think joining the Army was just a nice way to get a cushy payday without having to do any real work or face any danger? BIG MISTAKE.

    That’s very much a selfish Libertarian world view where everyone is a greedy maximizing utility function with perfect rationality.

    The real world is just the opposite especially when it comes to White Teenage Males from White Working Class Families-and this is the world the Pentagon knows is true and real…and the Pentagons’ TV recruiting commercials take advantage of that desperation.

    White Working Class Teenage boys don’t make free choices…they make “free” choices….but you demand they suffer the full consequences of the Army Recruiter’s lies.

    What a sack of shit you are. If only the CHICKENHAWK-War Hawk White Guy Trump Bros were drafted and parachuted into downtown Mosul with an m-16. We would no longer have to listen to White Girly Boy Cuck Libertarians schrieks about free choice and the “moral” consequences of free choice when it comes to very desperate Working Class Teenage Makes….And this is what it is at the end of the day:White Girly Boy Libertarian hatred of the White Working Class…while Trump’s sons cut multi-$$$$$$ bizness deals in Dubai…and jet back for tennis in Palm Springs….

    You sicko…I suspect that you enjoy the Wounded Warrior Project Commercials

    The narcissist Donald Trump doesn’t get a blank check to use the White Teenage Male Population as canon fodder for Greater Israel…but you apparently think he does get a blank check to do this.

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    What a sack of shit you [grapesoda and George strong] are. If only the CHICKENHAWK-War Hawk White Guy Trump Bros were drafted and parachuted into downtown Mosul with an m-16. We would no longer have to listen to White Girly Boy Cuck Libertarians schrieks about free choice and the “moral” consequences of free choice when it comes to very desperate Working Class Teenage Makes….And this is what it is at the end of the day:White Girly Boy Libertarian hatred of the White Working Class…while Trump’s sons cut multi-$$$$$$ bizness deals in Dubai…and jet back for tennis in Palm Springs….

    You sicko…
     
    You, Blair War, like that cantankerous curmudgeon Joe Webb, (between your deplorable rants) make some excellent points.
    , @SolontoCroesus
    Scott Taylor, R-Va, grew up in a dead-end town on the Eastern shore/DelMarVa, the son of a single mother. He was a disinterested and poor student in high school; determined to get the hell out of Dodge, he considered enlisting in Army, then saw a movie about Navy SEALs and fell in love; he trained as a Navy SEAL, served in Afghanistan etc., left the service and (apparently) was a mercenary in South America for a number of years.

    Taylor made use of his GI benefits to enroll in online university programs through Harvard; he completed a 'Harvard' bachelor's online, and is finishing up a Masters in International Relations, also online, also Harvard.

    Some may view Taylor as a success story: military life shaped him up, gave him purpose and an education; now he's representing a district in Virginia that is home to one of the populations of military families.

    I think it's scary to have such a person making decisions about war-and-peace for a nation that has enough firepower to obliterate most of the nations of the world, but lacks the statesmanship and character to refrain from using it.

    Harvard, and the other formerly-fine universities that had been relied on to produce the nation's leaders, has been debased and corrupted by the MIC as well as by enforcement of a censored and distorted narrative of US history. This toxic brew is dangerous when packed into someone like Scott Taylor, who does not, in my judgment, have the emotional maturity to penetrate the sugarcoating of his SEALs bravado and Harvard parchment.

    How many more are there like him, who found in killing and destroying other people's nations on behalf of lies, their path out of nowhere?

    On the other hand, what other institutions still exist in the USA to purvey character-building experiences to the young people of the USA? Do we think that creating legislation or judicial decisions that will permit a person to use whatever bathroom appeals to him/her at any given moment will produce the kind of people in whom we are willing to vest responsibility for trillions of dollars worth of weapons of mass destruction?

    ---
    Been reading East of Eden.
    Damn but Steinbeck knew the twists and turns of the human psyche, and knew how to write.

    , @Bill
    Good comment. I was struck by the way the Army was portrayed in Winters Bone. It was a kind of siren song for the desperate, offering a steady job for the low-skilled at the expense of ripping you out of your community and possibly killing you.
  30. Agent76 says:

    November 6th, 2016 The Anti-Empire Report #146

    A collection of thoughts about American foreign policy, Louis XVI needed a revolution, Napoleon needed two historic military defeats, the Spanish Empire in the New World needed multiple revolutions, the Russian Czar needed a communist revolution, the Austro-Hungarian and Ottoman Empires needed World War I, Nazi Germany needed World War II, Imperial Japan needed two atomic bombs, the Portuguese Empire in Africa needed a military coup at home, the Soviet Empire needed Mikhail Gorbachev. What will the American Empire need?

    https://williamblum.org/aer/read/146

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  31. Agent76 says:

    March 9, 2017 The US Psychic Programme: Not Yesterday’s News, But Tomorrow’s News 

    Once again one of those stories has come round which you have to comment on, whatever you were intending to write about. On the face of it, the story is old news. When you dig deeper however you discover it is very much in line with what is going on right now, and none of us will be able to avoid the consequences.

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/03/09/the-us-psychic-programme-not-yesterdays-news-but-tomorrows-news/

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    • Replies: @Che Guava
    Well, the U.S. Army's version seems to have been the better known, I have a paperback book on it.

    If I had it at hand (in a box at the moment), would be naming projects and COs.

    Am finding the contents mainly reliable.

    Not as to efficacy, but to it having existed, it was run in the last stage by a general who promoted 'New Age' brainwashing courses for senior soldiers and officers.

    In the first stage, with CIA funding for a Uri Geller style fraud.

    Unlike him, I am to a small degree psychic or psychically sensitive, but to the degree that I am, it just makes me feel bad, in (not Japan) but Tokyo, so many people are horrid every day.
  32. For years, I’ve tried to expose the bogus North Korean threat. Here are some parts:

    “Army Generals want to justify their wartime budget by exaggerating the North Korean threat, ignoring that South Korea has twice the population, 50 times the economic power, and a modern military that is roughly five times stronger than the decrepit North Korean Army. In addition, South Korea has fortified and mined its mountainous border region along the DMZ (pictured) so no vehicles can pass.

    A North Korean offensive across the DMZ would result in a World War I style slaughter of North Korean infantry within a few miles of the border. The mobilized South Korean army is five times larger than the mob of uniformed rice farmers just north of the DMZ. South Korea would easily win any war with the North, which teeters on economic collapse during peacetime. Not a single American soldier is needed to defend South Korea.”

    “While Army Generals continue to warn of dangers from North Korea, they don’t explain the logic to spending an additional billion dollars each year to maintain 18,000 more military dependents in that potential war zone. Our Army and Air Force conduct chemical defense drills at their bases as troops don protective suits and gas masks. No one seems concerned about the unprotected American civilians and school children living on these bases.”

    “The U.S. Army in Korea remains on a spending spree, despite the need to reduce military spending to meet congressionally mandated cuts. Our Army in South Korea is not consolidating, but expanding. Camp Humphreys is the Army’s largest construction project since the Panama Canal.”

    http://g2mil.com/casey.htm

    And this went unreported in our corporate press:

    Mar 2014 Update – South Korea Slashes Military Manpower

    Despite constant media stories about the North Korean threat, South Korea will cut its active duty military from 640,000 to 522,000 by 2022, citing the country’s declining birth rate as the reason for the downsizing. According the CIA Factbook, South Korea has almost 11 million men fit for military duty, so the “declining birthrate” excuse to downsize and cut costs is absurd. South Korea spends roughly half as much of its GDP on national defense compared to the USA and its economy continues rapid growth as it surpasses the USA in many areas of technology — ever hear of Samsung? Most Americans would be outraged by these facts, which is why they never appear in our major corporate media.

    http://www.stripes.com/news/pacific/south-korea-to-shrink-armed-forces-by-a-fifth-in-next-8-years-1.273293#.WMVy039LGWU

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  33. mrcatbert says:

    I stopped reading as soon as I saw “viciously evil face of that 1%.”

    Hate to break it to you, but you don’t even have to be making half a million dollars a year to be in the 1%, and that’s not any kind of *real* money these days. Surgeons and anesthesiologists, lawyers, independently published writers, bloggers, local TV anchors, etc. These guys go to work every day and pay bills and worry about IRS audits just like everyone else. They certainly aren’t the power behind the throne in any type of evil cabal secretly running the country.

    Words matter. Precision matters. All this is doing is stoking up mob anger against the wrong people.

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    My approach is to keep reading, even when I encounter red flags like non-standard punctuation, misspelling, or statements with which I may disagree.* However, I tend to favor writers who can make their points concisely, and cogently, as you did in your closing paragraph.

    Brevity is the soul of more than just wit.

    I must now go OT briefly to comment about the strange punctuation, or typographical convention being used by you and some writers here, including the host, but excluding The Saker.

    I'm talking about this:

    that’s not any kind of *real* money these days.
     
    Where did this originate? We already have italics and bold for emphasis, as well as "quotation marks," and in some places, even underline is possible ('though not here). but this business with the bold asterisks enclosing some bold word or phrase is entirely non-standard usage that I've never encountered anywhere but here at Unz.com.

    It's not only completely non-standard, but eminently cheesy too. I suggest dropping it.

    "Real money," as you used it, was completely clear in its meaning, with no need for the bizarre emphasis, especially with italics, bold, (underline), and quotation marks already present on the standard punctuation palette of good writers.

    Standards matter too. We have them for a reason.

    As we've seen, there is a tendency, especially among younger, less educated writers trying to be cool, to assign new meanings to familiar words, like "sick." Bad English was parading around a few years ago under the euphemism Eubonics, which led to things like "Expect Great," which was, and perhaps still is, the motto of the WNBA. So far, the gals haven't taken up full contact tackle football, but if they do, let me be the first to suggest a grammatically correct motto: "Expect No Babies."

    When it comes to writing, and a "few" other things in life, we will do best to stick with the tried and true.

    If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

    'Especially when it comes to language.

    Else, Babylon.
  34. bluedog says:
    @Mao Cheng Ji

    we will see irrefutable signs that the Empire in engaged in some bizarre slow motion version of seppuku and the only mystery left is who, or what, will serve as the Empire’s kaishakunin (assuming there will be one).
     
    I don't know about your samurai idioms. Samurai stuff suggest honorifics, and I observe none of that. Rather, a 'banana republic' comes to mind. Not honorifics, but low-class barbarity. For example, this morning I read that a major establishment tv channel made a point, last night, of ridiculing Mr Trump's daughter. Wtf? Who does that?

    Well they did the same to Truman’s daughter when he was president, so there is nothing strange about that..

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  35. You’re right the Trump doesn’t have a reptilian type brain like our neocons friends to round them up and execute them. Its hard if he doesn’t do that. Because they will kill him first if he doesn’t. At the top of most social systems with much power, psychopaths rule because they have no qualms.

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    • Replies: @gustafus
    Total agreement. Trump needs to take out the pedophile network that has been controlling D.C and the intel agencies. He needs to take down enemies. Graham and McCain would be a terrific show of power and retribution necessary to whip his adversaries into shape.

    Hastert was speaker because he was a pedophile, not in spite of it. Recruitment for power slots always included debauchery for blackmail. But the degree of deviancy has changed to where only cannibals and pedophiles need apply.

    First it was adultery, then homosexuality... now it's morphed into pedophilia... and probably cannibalism.

    No, John Wayne and Jimmy Stewart are not on offer in local elections. The reaction to Trump speaks volumes about just how depraved the hierarchy truly is.

    THEY KNOW HE KNOWS..... but if he spends that capital wisely... he might accomplish great things.

    But I still think he needs to go nuclear on the pedophiles.

  36. Che Guava says:

    The Saker makes many good points, former Groovy War on Blair Mtn., others.

    However, the Saker’s throwing in the term kaishakunin is pretty silly. That person was generally from the same side, since the last four centuries, not always before.

    By definition, Iran cannot play that role. They way be the pivot to the downfall of the empire, but only at great cost, and I believe that they (polity and people), while never wanting to roll over and beg, would rather not be in that position.

    Poor Mishima, his boyfriend screwed up in the role, and the other three toy soldiers at the time took a lot of hacking and slashing to partly do the deed.

    … but they also do not fit the definition, because nobody had ordered Mishima (more lamely than he’d hoped) to spill his guts, and, determined as I have no doubt that he was, he wasn’t able manage the vertical swipe to completion, let alone the horizontal, even before the toy soldiers made a big mess.

    It was a mess.

    Shame on the Saker for misuse of kaishaku, why not use coup de grace, for example, as a term that more accurately says what you are wanting to say.

    All of the other users parroting it, it does not mean what you think it does.

    It makes you all sound like a bunch of American cos-play fans.

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  37. @Tom Welsh
    Well, not during WW2 to my knowledge! But since 1945, Britain has invented so many of the fundamental advances in computing - virtual memory, for example. But I'm not sure even I can blame all that on governmental shenanigans. It's undeniable that Britain is incredibly advanced in the art of bad, lousy, terrible, indescribably frightful management. We have lots of clever people who invent stuff, and then entrepreneurs abroad make masses of money out of them - and Britain buys them back from abroad.

    Like the fabulous story of the Leo computers. After 1945, Lyons - the tea shop chain - got together some of the Bletchley Park crew and others, and they threw together this mainframe computer, which was called Leo ("lion"). It did the accounts for Lyons, and they only needed the one - so they laid everyone off. Then various other companies came visiting and they were all thrilled by the computer, and several of them wanted one of their own. So each time the crew was reassembled and built another one-off. Somebody even asked if it might be a good idea to set up a factory and make the things to sell. You know, like for profit. But Lyons' management weren't interested. "We're in the tea and buns business," they said. "We don't know from computers".

    Presently some men in suits came along from some American company that made tabulators. They made lots of notes and went back home, and shortly after Lyons - together with most other British institutions - began relying on IBM computers.

    You really couldn't make it up.

    Not to mention much tape drive technology, 3.5″ disk drives in which yours truly played a part, LCD’s, I attended the funeral service … Oh and packet switching which enabled Darpanet. But as Basil de Ferranti said, the Americans have more money.

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  38. TG says:

    Well said. Kudos!

    Yes, it would seem that, at bottom, the US elites have simply gone insane. They have had it all their way for so long, surrounded by sycophants, their every disaster feted as a success, every bad investment bailed out with public funds, they live in a golden echo chamber. And they have completely lost their collective minds.

    So we have all these well-educated idiots plotting fiendish complex plans to save the world as if they were in a bad Tom Clancy novel (they should instead re-read “Clear and Present Danger,” written before Clancy also lost his mind, for an object lesson in the dangers of being too clever) and coming up with ever more baroque and unrealistic plans. But they HAVE to have unlimited resources, and operate in total secrecy, because the FATE OF THE WORLD DEPENDS ON IT. Yeah, right.

    We’ve seen this in the recent wikileaks dump. Consider this: our intelligence operatives number, what, tens of thousands? And they all can snoop on anyone they want. And make up malware and hatch crack-brained regime change plans etc with apparently no oversight. And they all can share it freely with each other, with apparently no compartmentalization or chain of custody or anything. Hate Snowden if you will, but I guarantee that for every Snowden in our intelligence services there are dozens of foreign agents and people with criminal associations… and they all apparently have access to everything! And are free to attack our own elected representatives! Astonishing! I’m no intelligence pro, but even I know the importance of compartmentalization and accountability and oversight.

    What is to be done? I have no idea. But it might not hurt if we politely called our elected representatives and said that we don’t want our country bankrupted fighting endless pointless winless foreign wars. It probably won’t help, mind, but it might. If enough constituents call on an issue they do still listen.

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  39. You are describing an Empire in its last throws. Especially dangerous because it is dying. Our ruling class are psychotic murderers. Half of our people (Hillary’s half) are Zombies. If we get to Post Imperial America without a nuclear winter it will only be by the grace of God.

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    • Replies: @Che Guava
    Dear Working Class (as am I) ,

    It is 'throes' not 'throws'.

    Cheers.
  40. @grapesoda
    Maybe your stupid relative shouldn't have signed up for the army. No one is forced to join anymore, not since Vietnam. So stop trying to blame Trump for it. What did your relative think joining the Army was just a nice way to get a cushy payday without having to do any real work or face any danger? BIG MISTAKE.

    Most readers of your rant are hoping your relative comes back in a bag.

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    • Disagree: SolontoCroesus
    • Replies: @Che Guava
    I read the rant, it was silly, yours is truly nasty. As for most readers, no, I would think most would disagreeing with you.
  41. KA says:
    @grapesoda
    Maybe your stupid relative shouldn't have signed up for the army. No one is forced to join anymore, not since Vietnam. So stop trying to blame Trump for it. What did your relative think joining the Army was just a nice way to get a cushy payday without having to do any real work or face any danger? BIG MISTAKE.

    You forgot the part of the subliminal implicit contract that t is automatically assumed will be honored by the Government , assumed by those who join the army – a defensive war, a war for the interest of the country , a war to have a political goal in mind , combination of diplomacy and power and during and post deployment support to the soldiers .Instead they are sent to kill who have no animus to anyone beyond outside their villages and asked to deal with morality through untreated PTSD .

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    • Replies: @alexander
    Very Good point , KA,

    There are no wars our country should fight, anywhere, that are not authorized by our constitution......and our constitution is explicit in defining when we may go to war....for reasons of INVASION or INSURRECTION...and that is it.

    When there are events in the world, like a brutal genocide occurring somewhere,which might need military involvement of some form, then it becomes a matter of the UN Security Council to authorize it, of which the US is but one permanent member among five.

    With the run up to the Iraq fiasco, every American citizen was defrauded into believing Saddam had launched an anthrax attack against us....in our news rooms and capitol.....This was grounds for war.....no less so than when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor.

    Our media, in total complicity with our government, committed Terror Fraud and War Fraud, by deceiving us that Saddam was the culpable party....when he wasn't.

    UN believable !!!

    On these grounds alone, every owner of every major news network, as well as every member of our government , including all the oligarchs they puppet for....should have been thrown into federal prison, and had all their assets seized....right away.

    Defrauding Americans into war is a supreme terrorist act.

    The very fact there has been zero accountability for such wanton criminal fraud is astounding....Absolutely astounding.

    Our nation has become a complete mockery of american justice and jurisprudence for this VERY reason.


    It is a travesty....and a tragedy...for us all.

    , @War for Blair Mountain
    KA

    You are making the point I wanted to follow up with in a follow up post concerning the legitimacy of Military contracts...I didn't because I am in a state of complete despondency....despair...over the canon fodder issue.

    Larger point:'how many trillions for Gulf War 1...Gulf War 2...the ongoing occupation of Afghanistan....Iraq....the illegal occupation of Syria....US Military excercises on Christian Russia's border....Military aid to Israel?........The Military Recruiter pitch:The Army will pay for your college.... very desperate and confused Working Class White Teenage Male.....someone's gotta protect the freedom of fat bastard-with globs of cellulite bulging through thick brown coudoroy pants Mike Francessa's Jock Sniffing Chickenhawk Warhawk White Guy Bros WFAN audience....

    To quote short fat bastard Mike Francessa:"these young Men have made a decision to protect our FREEDOM"....the banality of jock sniffing Chickenhawk-Warhawk White Guy Trump Bros EVIL!!!! on full-display here.....
  42. Che Guava says:
    @george strong
    Most readers of your rant are hoping your relative comes back in a bag.

    I read the rant, it was silly, yours is truly nasty. As for most readers, no, I would think most would disagreeing with you.

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    • Replies: @george strong
    Always remember, MPAI (Most People Are Idiots), as proven by dopes who volunteered to fight for Obama.
  43. Che Guava says:
    @WorkingClass
    You are describing an Empire in its last throws. Especially dangerous because it is dying. Our ruling class are psychotic murderers. Half of our people (Hillary's half) are Zombies. If we get to Post Imperial America without a nuclear winter it will only be by the grace of God.

    Dear Working Class (as am I) ,

    It is ‘throes’ not ‘throws’.

    Cheers.

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    • Replies: @WorkingClass
    Yes of course. Thank you. My spell checker doesn't always save me.
  44. Saker is the greatest!
    People do not like to die in wars!
    Unintended consequences.
    I do remember at one time (i do not know the year.) US army could not get enough recruits.
    Army was sending recruitment people to shopping centers.
    Eventually ruling elite decided to increase the unemployed people.
    Result were also increased budget deficits.

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  45. alexander says:
    @KA
    You forgot the part of the subliminal implicit contract that t is automatically assumed will be honored by the Government , assumed by those who join the army - a defensive war, a war for the interest of the country , a war to have a political goal in mind , combination of diplomacy and power and during and post deployment support to the soldiers .Instead they are sent to kill who have no animus to anyone beyond outside their villages and asked to deal with morality through untreated PTSD .

    Very Good point , KA,

    There are no wars our country should fight, anywhere, that are not authorized by our constitution……and our constitution is explicit in defining when we may go to war….for reasons of INVASION or INSURRECTION…and that is it.

    When there are events in the world, like a brutal genocide occurring somewhere,which might need military involvement of some form, then it becomes a matter of the UN Security Council to authorize it, of which the US is but one permanent member among five.

    With the run up to the Iraq fiasco, every American citizen was defrauded into believing Saddam had launched an anthrax attack against us….in our news rooms and capitol…..This was grounds for war…..no less so than when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor.

    Our media, in total complicity with our government, committed Terror Fraud and War Fraud, by deceiving us that Saddam was the culpable party….when he wasn’t.

    UN believable !!!

    On these grounds alone, every owner of every major news network, as well as every member of our government , including all the oligarchs they puppet for….should have been thrown into federal prison, and had all their assets seized….right away.

    Defrauding Americans into war is a supreme terrorist act.

    The very fact there has been zero accountability for such wanton criminal fraud is astounding….Absolutely astounding.

    Our nation has become a complete mockery of american justice and jurisprudence for this VERY reason.

    It is a travesty….and a tragedy…for us all.

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  46. Cyrano says:

    I would maybe add another item to this list – suicide by ideology. If communism was ideology then capitalism is one too, even when you wrap it in fancy names like democracy for better appeal to the consumers. I think that Marx was right when he said that as an economic system matures it goes from stimulating progress, to impeding progress. Capitalism is at that stage now.

    Many of US recent wars as a main purpose had the prevention of emergence of new economic systems. They camouflage their wars as fight for “democracy” while hiding some more sinister objectives. US are not afraid of dictatorships and some other less advanced systems of governance.

    What they are most afraid is that somewhere, some new and more progressive political and economic system might emerge that will render capitalism obsolete. That’s why they try to portray capitalism as the end of evolution type of political system, to which no further improvements are possible.

    If they are so sure about it, why do they want to prevent the nations around the world from experimenting little bit in that particular field? Because they are so concerned for the well-being for that most precious of human achievements – democracy?

    Capitalism has become what they used to claim that communism was – an ideology that in order to secure its survival has to employ elements of oppression, both domestically but even more internationally.

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    • Replies: @jacques sheete

    Capitalism has become what they used to claim that communism was – an ideology that in order to secure its survival has to employ elements of oppression, both domestically but even more internationally.
     
    Yup. There is no real difference. E.g., Fat Wall Street tycoons funded the Bolshies.

    “The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.”

    ― George Orwell, Animal Farm
     
    , @Ace
    In the last 85 year's what has passed for" progress" has been mindless, arrogant flailing about, including indulging in suicidal fiscal and monetary policies and bending over backward to satisfy foreigners and the blacks who despise America (cue picture of black woman wiping herself with American flag and Mexicans waiving Mexico flag on US soil). Then there's the reckless deficit spending and the deindustrialization of the US.

    Now consider the knowing, deliberate malevolence of the left and their hatred of liberty.

    Impeding that is a sacred duty. God preserve us from people who think they know what" progress" is and weep with joy over "progressivism. "

    Capitalism is under attack from people who adore oppression. It's defects have been ameliorated over time and it's benefits have been attenuated by ignorant, reckless socialist interference and bleeding. It's the socialist pipe dream that needs to be smashed and the death throes of the social welfare model are what are scaring the Treason Class.
  47. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Miro23

    Should the AngloZionists succeed in triggering a war between Iran and the Empire, then Iran will end up being the Empire’s kaishakunin.
     
    I'm not sure about the "AngloZionist" term. Anglos are more a target than an ally of US Zionists, bring actively demonized and "diversified" out in hiring decisions across the board (ironically rather like Jews in the Germany of the 1930's). Iran is a prime target of Zionists not Anglos. Anglos voted for Trump to stop ME wars and use resources for US infrastructure, but now that they've enabled his election, he seems to be sliding towards the Deep State (who he needs to stay in power) with their Iran War agenda.

    It's probably more likely that China will be the Empire's kaishakunin.

    There's a limit to fighting wars on credit, and an Iran war is potentially just as costly as the Iraq war - including the further regional turmoil and challenge to Chinese and Russian interests. The key metric has to be US Bond prices which are already relying on FED support through lack of foreign interest (i.e. the US is creating and buying its own bonds = printing money).

    The kaishakunin moment would be the dumping of US bonds by the major Chinese and Japanese holders while the US commits its Iran War economic suicide. A dollar collapse/inflation would put Trumps focus straight right back on his electoral base who wouldn't be so friendly this time round.

    AngloZionist is a bit imprecise. But The Saker is correct that the Zionists have managed to weld themselves into the Anglosphere almost seamlessly, and in the process their influence over world events has been magnified exponentially.

    Why this happened is a subject for historians.

    But that it has happened is unfortunately indisputable.

    It may yet mean World War III.

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  48. 1776VtGMB says:
    @grapesoda
    Maybe your stupid relative shouldn't have signed up for the army. No one is forced to join anymore, not since Vietnam. So stop trying to blame Trump for it. What did your relative think joining the Army was just a nice way to get a cushy payday without having to do any real work or face any danger? BIG MISTAKE.

    The reality… jobs left due to NAFTA and 0.1% greed.
    Young Americans only had one job choice left—
    the military.

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  49. “DT is the final malignant tumor”

    And you sir are a “malignant fool”

    What you are unable to grasp is the he, DT, is forced to go it alone, having the full brunt of the leftist DS against him, he has no clue as to whom he can trust, so he is on a tight rope and juggling at the same time, and he is compelled to give in on certain issues like it or not.
    You simply, due to your limited horizon, have no focking clue as to what he is up against.

    Obviously you would have preferred the only other choice HC.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” society member since 1973, airborne qualified ” poor kid” US Army vet, and pro jazz artist.

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    • Agree: lavoisier
    • Replies: @Ivan K.
    Excellent retort at the start of your comment.

    brunt of the leftist DS against him
     
    DS? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DS What is DS?

    The other day I listened to this http://stevepieczenik.com/my-edited-interview-on-alex-jones-3-7-17/ All DJT voters should listen to it. I was very satisfied with it. ...

    ... Except for one thing, about which I told Pieczenik in the comments' section. And the same day he tweeted about that:
    (https://twitter.com/StevePieczenik/status/840299367286358017)
    and again the next day:
    (https://twitter.com/StevePieczenik/status/840404595310510080)

    Not without reason:
    White House chief economic advisor Gary Cohn : “Unfortunately, we have no alternative but to reinvest in our military and make ourselves a military power once again.”

    The whole nation has become a neocon echo-chamber.

    Nevertheless, The Faker's popularity is just a litmus test of people's stupidity.

  50. @Che Guava
    Dear Working Class (as am I) ,

    It is 'throes' not 'throws'.

    Cheers.

    Yes of course. Thank you. My spell checker doesn’t always save me.

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    • Replies: @Che Guava
    See ya mate, yeah see ya mate.
    (quote from Mark E. Smith)

    I never use spell checking, and my errors are few. I would suggest that 'Working Class' is not the best u-name, if you search, you will likely to finding many others who are not you, Otoh, you are the only one to using the name here, so it is great.

    Confused moi. Still, I will say that vs. the fakes, it isn't bad, most are fake.

    Salut.
    , @Che Guava
    I am trying to think of the stupidest Hip py pretend punk titles, The Fucking Cunts Treat Us Like Shit, I can't even remember the band name stupid Crass titles were stupid for their stupidity, and surely a step along the way to anti-free speech of now
  51. m___ says:

    Great analysis, but not timely, and certainly not daring, and then not appealing to the masses globally. Trump is indeed a jelly-fish, as Obama, as Hillary, say Washington as a whole, a jelly-pudding.

    It all has a feel of cheap mass-produced plastic, no esthetics, no content, no vision.

    War is obsolete. On their terms, why? Because relative riches melt in the face of planetary toxicity, over-population, climate change, consequently causing migrations, hunger, thirst, health issues, none of which can be solved by any nation states, some of thus which cannot be escaped by privilege.

    Genetics, we have ourself a bad batch at the top, a global for profit system endows the cognitive “smarter” and not the cognitive capable. A billion buys more prestige then cognitive abilities, experience.

    Hillary is a wacky grandmother, Trump is what seventy year olds are, they need to be of good stock to be competitive. If the US wants a seventy plus person in the whiTe houSe, then why not a legion of a few hundred cognitively favoured, ethical minds (that mostly goes to boot, ethics is a foremost expression of high level opportunism) individuals that roam the earth, ready to “source” them from Russia or Iran.

    The above might have years invested in comprehending and adding to a placeholder for the real world. Not slumping high maintenance seniors, that happen to be also drones of the (author of the article’s term) AngloZionists.

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  52. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @Johnny F. Ive
    I agree the US needs to be hospitalized for its DSM IV cluster B disorders and suicidal tendencies. What if Trump actually shows he has good sense and a spine? His rule is not permanent. He can't cut a deal because the deep state won't go along with it. The most he has is 8 years as ruler. War is a racket and these industries tied to it aren't going to want the US to change policy. One solution is to pay them to do something useful. Space mining or something but its less fun and glamorous for these psychopaths.

    I'd rather Iran be America's kaishakunin than a nuclear power. At least the Iranians don't have nukes. The problem is though that after death the Neocons can still terrorize the world with nuclear weapons. Why wouldn't they use nuclear weapons as leverage? They aren't much different than Kim Jong Un. They are adept at lying, its their Sophist Straussian heritage at work. The Sophist argue "might makes right" and America's nuclear arsenal is very mighty indeed. In the end the nuclear powers may have to put the undead US out of its misery in a nuclear kaishakunin which I fear the most.

    Who says Iran does not have nukes? They might not MAKE nukes, but North Korea might have a few to spare for the right price

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    • Replies: @pogohere
    Who says. . .?

    FWIW:

    U.S. Agencies See No Move by Iran to Build a Bomb

    2-24-12

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/25/world/middleeast/us-agencies-see-no-move-by-iran-to-build-a-bomb.html

    Israeli Intelligence Agrees With U.S. And IAEA That Iran Has Not Decided On Nuke Weapons

    3-19-12

    https://thinkprogress.org/israeli-intelligence-agrees-with-u-s-and-iaea-that-iran-has-not-decided-on-nuke-weapons-7f70ccb7ae59#.qe6fwljuq
  53. Sparkon says:
    @mrcatbert
    I stopped reading as soon as I saw "viciously evil face of that 1%."

    Hate to break it to you, but you don't even have to be making half a million dollars a year to be in the 1%, and that's not any kind of *real* money these days. Surgeons and anesthesiologists, lawyers, independently published writers, bloggers, local TV anchors, etc. These guys go to work every day and pay bills and worry about IRS audits just like everyone else. They certainly aren't the power behind the throne in any type of evil cabal secretly running the country.

    Words matter. Precision matters. All this is doing is stoking up mob anger against the wrong people.

    My approach is to keep reading, even when I encounter red flags like non-standard punctuation, misspelling, or statements with which I may disagree.* However, I tend to favor writers who can make their points concisely, and cogently, as you did in your closing paragraph.

    Brevity is the soul of more than just wit.

    I must now go OT briefly to comment about the strange punctuation, or typographical convention being used by you and some writers here, including the host, but excluding The Saker.

    I’m talking about this:

    that’s not any kind of *real* money these days.

    Where did this originate? We already have italics and bold for emphasis, as well as “quotation marks,” and in some places, even underline is possible (‘though not here). but this business with the bold asterisks enclosing some bold word or phrase is entirely non-standard usage that I’ve never encountered anywhere but here at Unz.com.

    It’s not only completely non-standard, but eminently cheesy too. I suggest dropping it.

    “Real money,” as you used it, was completely clear in its meaning, with no need for the bizarre emphasis, especially with italics, bold, (underline), and quotation marks already present on the standard punctuation palette of good writers.

    Standards matter too. We have them for a reason.

    As we’ve seen, there is a tendency, especially among younger, less educated writers trying to be cool, to assign new meanings to familiar words, like “sick.” Bad English was parading around a few years ago under the euphemism Eubonics, which led to things like “Expect Great,” which was, and perhaps still is, the motto of the WNBA. So far, the gals haven’t taken up full contact tackle football, but if they do, let me be the first to suggest a grammatically correct motto: “Expect No Babies.”

    When it comes to writing, and a “few” other things in life, we will do best to stick with the tried and true.

    If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

    ‘Especially when it comes to language.

    Else, Babylon.

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    Old-fashioned me, but quotation marks (to introduce a term or to cast doubt), itals (words of other origin), bold (for emphasis).

    I learnt to touch-type on a typewriter with the keyboard at an angle of about 45°, the best way, really had to hit the keys, electrical jobs and portables, PCs were around, but our instructor was tough, and correct.

    Still have an old portable typewriter, not so punishing, needs repairs, but a shop in Tokyo keeps handling them, last I checked.

    Underlined text from a typewriter became bold with no underline if it was to be published.

    I checked if the HTML for underlining works here, seems it doesn't. Not a bad idea.
    , @foolisholdman
    I think I have seen *word* in the Independent occasionally
  54. RobinG says:
    @War for Blair Mountain
    That's very much a selfish Libertarian world view where everyone is a greedy maximizing utility function with perfect rationality.

    The real world is just the opposite especially when it comes to White Teenage Males from White Working Class Families-and this is the world the Pentagon knows is true and real...and the Pentagons' TV recruiting commercials take advantage of that desperation.

    White Working Class Teenage boys don't make free choices...they make "free" choices....but you demand they suffer the full consequences of the Army Recruiter's lies.

    What a sack of shit you are. If only the CHICKENHAWK-War Hawk White Guy Trump Bros were drafted and parachuted into downtown Mosul with an m-16. We would no longer have to listen to White Girly Boy Cuck Libertarians schrieks about free choice and the "moral" consequences of free choice when it comes to very desperate Working Class Teenage Makes....And this is what it is at the end of the day:White Girly Boy Libertarian hatred of the White Working Class...while Trump's sons cut multi-$$$$$$ bizness deals in Dubai...and jet back for tennis in Palm Springs....

    You sicko...I suspect that you enjoy the Wounded Warrior Project Commercials


    The narcissist Donald Trump doesn't get a blank check to use the White Teenage Male Population as canon fodder for Greater Israel...but you apparently think he does get a blank check to do this.

    What a sack of shit you [grapesoda and George strong] are. If only the CHICKENHAWK-War Hawk White Guy Trump Bros were drafted and parachuted into downtown Mosul with an m-16. We would no longer have to listen to White Girly Boy Cuck Libertarians schrieks about free choice and the “moral” consequences of free choice when it comes to very desperate Working Class Teenage Makes….And this is what it is at the end of the day:White Girly Boy Libertarian hatred of the White Working Class…while Trump’s sons cut multi-$$$$$$ bizness deals in Dubai…and jet back for tennis in Palm Springs….

    You sicko…

    You, Blair War, like that cantankerous curmudgeon Joe Webb, (between your deplorable rants) make some excellent points.

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  55. Sparkon says:

    * Statements with which I may disagree:

    I would argue that the US diplomacy slowly and quietly passed away, sometime after James Baker (the last real US diplomat, and a brilliant one at that).

    It was the during the Reagan administration that the Neocons came out of the shadows, and into the corridors of power. Most of the groundwork for the current chaos was put down during that time, although VP Geo. H.W. Bush was still trying to lurk in the shadows, or appear to be “out of the loop” as he put it.

    In 1981, Baker was named White House Chief of Staff by President Ronald Reagan, in spite of the fact that Baker managed the presidential campaign… of George Bush in 1980 opposing Reagan…. Baker is considered to have had a high degree of influence over the first Reagan Administration, particularly in domestic policy.
    [...]
    During the Reagan Administration, Baker also served on the Economic Policy Council, where he played an instrumental role in achieving the passage of the administration’s tax and budget reform package in 1981.

    Baker also served on Reagan’s National Security Council, and remained Treasury Secretary until 1988, during which time he also served as campaign chairman for George H. W. Bush’s successful presidential bid.

    During the Reagan years, the national debt tripled. George H.W. Bush denied ever characterizing Reagan’s budget plan as Voodoo Economics, but check the video:

    http://zfacts.com/p/318.html

    George probably never said this either:

    ‘Sarah, if the American people ever find out what we have done, they would chase us down the street and lynch us.”.

    Well, If you have “the best enemies money can buy,” maybe you can get some more mileage out of your investment, maybe even set up Saddam for junior. Some may recall that it was Baker who first started putting down ultimatums about chemical and biological weapons.

    Some may remember too that it was Baker who blocked Palestinian statehood.

    On January 9, 1991, during the Geneva Peace Conference with Tariq Aziz in Geneva, Baker declared that “If there is any user of (chemical or biological weapons), our objectives won’t just be the liberation of Kuwait, but the elimination of the current Iraqi regime….” Baker later acknowledged that the intent of this statement was to threaten a retaliatory nuclear strike on Iraq…Baker helped to construct the 34-nation alliance that fought alongside the United States in the Gulf War.
    [...]
    Baker blocked the creation of Palestine by threatening to cut funding to agencies in the United Nations.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Baker

    ‘Not a bad rap sheet for a lawyer from Texas, but I’d hesitate to call it brilliant.

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  56. @War for Blair Mountain
    That's very much a selfish Libertarian world view where everyone is a greedy maximizing utility function with perfect rationality.

    The real world is just the opposite especially when it comes to White Teenage Males from White Working Class Families-and this is the world the Pentagon knows is true and real...and the Pentagons' TV recruiting commercials take advantage of that desperation.

    White Working Class Teenage boys don't make free choices...they make "free" choices....but you demand they suffer the full consequences of the Army Recruiter's lies.

    What a sack of shit you are. If only the CHICKENHAWK-War Hawk White Guy Trump Bros were drafted and parachuted into downtown Mosul with an m-16. We would no longer have to listen to White Girly Boy Cuck Libertarians schrieks about free choice and the "moral" consequences of free choice when it comes to very desperate Working Class Teenage Makes....And this is what it is at the end of the day:White Girly Boy Libertarian hatred of the White Working Class...while Trump's sons cut multi-$$$$$$ bizness deals in Dubai...and jet back for tennis in Palm Springs....

    You sicko...I suspect that you enjoy the Wounded Warrior Project Commercials


    The narcissist Donald Trump doesn't get a blank check to use the White Teenage Male Population as canon fodder for Greater Israel...but you apparently think he does get a blank check to do this.

    Scott Taylor, R-Va, grew up in a dead-end town on the Eastern shore/DelMarVa, the son of a single mother. He was a disinterested and poor student in high school; determined to get the hell out of Dodge, he considered enlisting in Army, then saw a movie about Navy SEALs and fell in love; he trained as a Navy SEAL, served in Afghanistan etc., left the service and (apparently) was a mercenary in South America for a number of years.

    Taylor made use of his GI benefits to enroll in online university programs through Harvard; he completed a ‘Harvard’ bachelor’s online, and is finishing up a Masters in International Relations, also online, also Harvard.

    Some may view Taylor as a success story: military life shaped him up, gave him purpose and an education; now he’s representing a district in Virginia that is home to one of the populations of military families.

    I think it’s scary to have such a person making decisions about war-and-peace for a nation that has enough firepower to obliterate most of the nations of the world, but lacks the statesmanship and character to refrain from using it.

    Harvard, and the other formerly-fine universities that had been relied on to produce the nation’s leaders, has been debased and corrupted by the MIC as well as by enforcement of a censored and distorted narrative of US history. This toxic brew is dangerous when packed into someone like Scott Taylor, who does not, in my judgment, have the emotional maturity to penetrate the sugarcoating of his SEALs bravado and Harvard parchment.

    How many more are there like him, who found in killing and destroying other people’s nations on behalf of lies, their path out of nowhere?

    On the other hand, what other institutions still exist in the USA to purvey character-building experiences to the young people of the USA? Do we think that creating legislation or judicial decisions that will permit a person to use whatever bathroom appeals to him/her at any given moment will produce the kind of people in whom we are willing to vest responsibility for trillions of dollars worth of weapons of mass destruction?


    Been reading East of Eden.
    Damn but Steinbeck knew the twists and turns of the human psyche, and knew how to write.

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    Been reading East of Eden.
    Damn but Steinbeck knew the twists and turns of the human psyche, and knew how to write.
     
    I agree.


    That's always been one of my favorites too, and I always admired his style, but it turns out that he was just another manipulative pampered scum hypocrite able to prance around in high places. His attitude regarding the Vietnam war is more than a little shocking. He was a veritable butt buddy of LBJ, and he turned out to be almost as disgusting as McCain...What a shame.

    It's downright heartbreaking.
    , @pogohere
    Re: "Do we think that creating legislation or judicial decisions that will permit a person to use whatever bathroom appeals to him/her at any given moment will produce the kind of people in whom we are willing to vest responsibility for trillions of dollars worth of weapons of mass destruction?"

    If the Roman church could inspire a Luther, who knows what the future of bathroom use will bring, eh?

    Toilet where Luther strained to produce the Reformation

    October 23, 2004

    Wittenberg: German archaeologists have discovered the lavatory on which Martin Luther wrote the 95 theses that started the Protestant Reformation.

    Luther frequently alluded to the fact that he suffered from chronic constipation and spent much of his time in contemplation on the lavatory.

    Experts say they have been certain for years that the 16th-century religious leader wrote the groundbreaking theses while on das Klo, as the Germans call it.

    But they did not know where the object was, until they discovered the stone construction after recently stumbling across the remains of an annex of his house in Wittenberg, south-west of Berlin, during plans to plant a garden.

    "This is a great find," said Stefan Rhein, the director of the Luther Memorial Foundation.

    "This is where the birth of the Reformation took place."

    He said that until now little attention had been paid to anything "three-dimensional and human" in the writing of the theses.

    "Luther said himself that he made his reformatory discovery in cloaca [Latin for "in the sewer"]. We just had no idea where this sewer was. Now it's clear what the reformer meant."

    . . .
    Professor Rhein said the foundation would stop at letting the annual 80,000 visitors to Wittenberg, who come in search of the spirit of Luther, from sitting on the toilet. "I would not sit on it. There's a point where you have to draw the line."

    http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/10/22/1098316865171.html
    , @Authenticjazzman
    " Who does not, ( ST) in my judgement, have the emotional maturity to penetrate the sugarcoating of his Seals bravado"

    So who are you anyway, seeing as everyone everyone has a "Judgement" at their disposal, do you alone set the criteria for who is qualified to handle world affairs.

    Secondly, apparently you would prefer someone equiped with a marxist SJW mindset such as HC, or BO to be in the position of making the decisions regarding war or peace, as in the current drive engaged by the leftist loonies to incite an armed conflict betweeen the US and Russia, simply because they, the Russians, have dashed the hopes of world communism and they do not cater to Gays.

    Authenticjazzman " Mensa" society member since 1973, airborne qualified "Poor kid" US army vet, and pro jazz artist.
    , @FLgeezer
    >what other institutions still exist in the USA to purvey character building experiences to the young people of the USA

    Three come immediately to mind: Hillsdale College, Franciscan University of Steubenville, and St. Thomas Aquinas University.
  57. @Che Guava
    I read the rant, it was silly, yours is truly nasty. As for most readers, no, I would think most would disagreeing with you.

    Always remember, MPAI (Most People Are Idiots), as proven by dopes who volunteered to fight for Obama.

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    I am not a USA person, but am agreeing that MPAI.

    Surprisingly many also are not.

    dopes who volunteered to fight for Obama.
     
    In what sense do you mean 'fight for'? Sincerely curious.
  58. @Kyle McKenna
    Trump is barely hanging on against the governmedia-industrial complex, and as a complete outsider with no political apparatus behind him, he simply has to play ball with the Powers That Be.

    Yes, it's distasteful. And I don’t like it any more than you or anyone else here does. I want Trump to remain true to the person he was when his campaign first took off. But the complex mentioned above, along with both major political parties and the notorious ‘deep state’, will happily destroy him without a second thought, and are trying their best.

    If Trump’s supporters took to the streets in appreciable numbers, perhaps it might be different. But we have seen that they will be beaten (literally) without consequence, and with their every move — even their character and identity — deliberately misrepresented by the MSM.

    Compounding the problem is that Trump isn't exactly a paragon of propriety or integrity. But who thought he was? The election came down to a choice between Evil and Crazy, and we rightly chose Crazy.

    Do you have a constructive proposal for this state of affairs? Preferably one that is fairly realistic? So far you've pretty much said that you hate everyone. That's not constructive.

    Trump is barely hanging on against the governmedia-industrial complex, and as a complete outsider with no political apparatus behind him, he simply has to play ball with the Powers That Be.

    Unfortunately it really doesn’t work that way. E.g., Rand Paul tried that supposedly clever route and he’s still a goofy (bleep). And always will be.

    Here’s how it works: (1000 word Short story).

    Hristo Smirnenski, THE TALE OF THE STAIRS

    http://www.slovo.bg/showwork.php3?AuID=386&WorkID=13571&Level=1

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    “Who are you?” The Devil asked him.
    “I am a plebeian by birth and all ragged folk are my brothers. How terrible the world is, how wretched the people are!”

    It was a young man who spoke with head erect and clenched fists. He stood at the foot of the Stairs – a high white staircase of rose-flecked marble. He gazed fixedly into the distance where the grey crowds of poverty stirred like the turbid waters of a swollen river. The crowds surged and seethed, raised a forest of thin black arms, thunderous cries of wrath and indignation rent the air and the echo faded slowly and solemnly like distant gun-fire.

    The crowds grew and grew nearer in clouds of yellow dust, single silhouettes showed more distinctly against the grey horizon. An old man approached, bent low to the ground as if seeking lost youth. A barefoot little girl clutched his ragged clothes and stared at the high Stairs with mild cornflower-blue eyes. Stared and smiled. Then thin grey figures came all in rags, singing a long-drawn funeral chorus. Someone whistled shrilly, somebody else thrusting his hands in his pockets laughed loud and harshly and insanity blazed in his eyes.

    “I am a plebeian by birth and all ragged folk are my brothers. How terrible the world is, how wretched the people are! But you there, you at the top there…”
    It was a young man who spoke with head erect and fists clenched in manace.
    “So you hate those up at the top,” the Devil asked, and styly leaned forward towards the young man.

    “I shall have my revenge on those nobles and princes. I shall cruelly avenge my brothers – my brothers whose faces are as yellow as sand and who groan more bitterly than the blizzards of December. See their naked bleeding bodies, hear their groans! I shall avenge them. Let me go!”
    The Devil smiled: “I am the guardian of those at the top and without a bribe I shall not betray them.”

    “I have no gold. I have nothing with which to bribe you… I am poor, a youth in rags… But I am willing to give up my life…”

    Again the Devil smiled: “O no, I do not ask as much as that. Just give me your hearing.”
    “My hearing? Gladly… May I never hear anything any more, may I…”
    “You still shall hear,” the Devil assured him, and made way for him. “Pass!”
    The young man set off at a run and had taken three steps in one stride when the hairy hand of the Devil caught him.

    “That’s enough! Now pause and listen to your brothers groaning below.”
    The young man paused and listened.
    “How strange! Why have they suddenly begun to sing happy songs and to laugh light-heartedly?…” Again he set off at a run.

    Again the Devil stopped him. “For you to go three more steps I must have your eyes.”
    The young man made a gesture of despair. “But then I shall be unable to see my brothers or those I go to punish.”
    “You still shall see them…” The Devil said. “I will give you different, much better eyes.”
    The young man rose three more steps and looked back.

    “See your brothers’ naked bleeding bodies,” the Devil prompted him.
    “My God, how very strange! When did they manage to don such beautiful clothes? And not bleeding wounds but splendid red roses deck their bodies…”

    At every third stair the Devil exacted his little toll. But the young man proceeded, willingly giving everything he had in order to reach his goal and to punish the well-fed nobles and princes. Now one step, just one last step remained and he would be at the top. Then indeed he would avenge his brothers.

    “I am a plebeian by birth and all ragged folk…”
    “Young man, one last step still remains. Just one more step and you shall have your revenge. But for this last step I always exact a double toll: give me your heart and give me your memory.”
    The young man protested.

    “My heart? No, that is too cruel!”
    The Devil gave a deep and masterful laugh: “I am not so cruel as you imagine. In exchange I will give you a heart of gold and a brand-new memory. But if you refuse me, then you shall never avenge your brothers whose faces are the colour of sand and who groan more bitterly than December blizzards.”

    The young man saw irony in the Devil’s green eyes.

    “But there will be nobody then more wretched than I. You are taking away all my human nature.”
    “On the contrary, nobody shall be happier than you. Well, do you agree: just your heart and memory?”

    The young man pondered, his face clouded over, beads of sweat ran from the furrowed brow, in anger he tightened his fists and through clenched teeth said: “Very well, then. Take them!”

    …And like a swift summer storm of rage and wrath, his dark locks flying in the wind, he crossed the final step. He was now at the very top. And a broad a smile suddenly in his face, his eyes now shone with tranquil joy and his fists relaxed. He looked at the nobles revelling there and looked down to the roaring, cursing, grey ragged crowds below. He gazed, but not a muscle of his face quivered: his face was radiant, happy and content. The crowds he saw below were in holiday attire and their groans were now hymns.

    “Who are you?” the Devil asked in a low sly voice.

    “I am a prince by birth and the gods are my brothers. How beautiful the world is and how happy are the people!”

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  59. @KA
    You forgot the part of the subliminal implicit contract that t is automatically assumed will be honored by the Government , assumed by those who join the army - a defensive war, a war for the interest of the country , a war to have a political goal in mind , combination of diplomacy and power and during and post deployment support to the soldiers .Instead they are sent to kill who have no animus to anyone beyond outside their villages and asked to deal with morality through untreated PTSD .

    KA

    You are making the point I wanted to follow up with in a follow up post concerning the legitimacy of Military contracts…I didn’t because I am in a state of complete despondency….despair…over the canon fodder issue.

    Larger point:’how many trillions for Gulf War 1…Gulf War 2…the ongoing occupation of Afghanistan….Iraq….the illegal occupation of Syria….US Military excercises on Christian Russia’s border….Military aid to Israel?……..The Military Recruiter pitch:The Army will pay for your college…. very desperate and confused Working Class White Teenage Male…..someone’s gotta protect the freedom of fat bastard-with globs of cellulite bulging through thick brown coudoroy pants Mike Francessa’s Jock Sniffing Chickenhawk Warhawk White Guy Bros WFAN audience….

    To quote short fat bastard Mike Francessa:”these young Men have made a decision to protect our FREEDOM”….the banality of jock sniffing Chickenhawk-Warhawk White Guy Trump Bros EVIL!!!! on full-display here…..

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  60. @SolontoCroesus
    Scott Taylor, R-Va, grew up in a dead-end town on the Eastern shore/DelMarVa, the son of a single mother. He was a disinterested and poor student in high school; determined to get the hell out of Dodge, he considered enlisting in Army, then saw a movie about Navy SEALs and fell in love; he trained as a Navy SEAL, served in Afghanistan etc., left the service and (apparently) was a mercenary in South America for a number of years.

    Taylor made use of his GI benefits to enroll in online university programs through Harvard; he completed a 'Harvard' bachelor's online, and is finishing up a Masters in International Relations, also online, also Harvard.

    Some may view Taylor as a success story: military life shaped him up, gave him purpose and an education; now he's representing a district in Virginia that is home to one of the populations of military families.

    I think it's scary to have such a person making decisions about war-and-peace for a nation that has enough firepower to obliterate most of the nations of the world, but lacks the statesmanship and character to refrain from using it.

    Harvard, and the other formerly-fine universities that had been relied on to produce the nation's leaders, has been debased and corrupted by the MIC as well as by enforcement of a censored and distorted narrative of US history. This toxic brew is dangerous when packed into someone like Scott Taylor, who does not, in my judgment, have the emotional maturity to penetrate the sugarcoating of his SEALs bravado and Harvard parchment.

    How many more are there like him, who found in killing and destroying other people's nations on behalf of lies, their path out of nowhere?

    On the other hand, what other institutions still exist in the USA to purvey character-building experiences to the young people of the USA? Do we think that creating legislation or judicial decisions that will permit a person to use whatever bathroom appeals to him/her at any given moment will produce the kind of people in whom we are willing to vest responsibility for trillions of dollars worth of weapons of mass destruction?

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    Been reading East of Eden.
    Damn but Steinbeck knew the twists and turns of the human psyche, and knew how to write.

    Been reading East of Eden.
    Damn but Steinbeck knew the twists and turns of the human psyche, and knew how to write.

    I agree.

    That’s always been one of my favorites too, and I always admired his style, but it turns out that he was just another manipulative pampered scum hypocrite able to prance around in high places. His attitude regarding the Vietnam war is more than a little shocking. He was a veritable butt buddy of LBJ, and he turned out to be almost as disgusting as McCain…What a shame.

    It’s downright heartbreaking.

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  61. Seraphim says:
    @War for Blair Mountain
    Saker

    Trump like Obama has the moral spine of a jelly fish.

    The canon fodder issue affects my family in very very real time at the moment. I despise Trump with every fiber of my being. He is onboard with the escalation of the US Military presence in the Middle East and on Christians Russia's borders. And I am beginning to hate Alt Right WASPS who want a Trump Dynasty to rule America....mounting hatred towards the Alt Right.

    I don't even sleep at night because of the canon fodder issue.

    Trump=Greater Israel via Kushner.....

    @Trump=Greater Israel via Kushner…..

    Suicide by reality denial”: this is the mother and father of all the other forms of suicide – the stubborn refusal to look at reality and accept the fact that “the party is over”.

    The Third Temple won’t be! It was destroyed once and for all. All attempts to re-build it have failed.

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  62. @Tom Welsh
    'As for the US “diplomacy” it simply doesn’t exist. You don’t need diplomats to deliver demands, bribes, ultimatums and threats'.

    As I read those words, I was strongly reminded of a thriller I recently read: "No Mortal Thing" by Gerald Seymour. It centres on the Ndrangheta, a vicious South Italian criminal organisation. According to Seymour, its bosses are often little more than ignorant peasants - but they focus on what they are good at, which is drug-running, prostitution, kidnapping, protection rackets, and of course murder. It's their proficiency at murder that keeps the whole racket going, because anyone who opposes them gets it in the neck (often in rather horrible ways) sooner rather than later.

    As I think it through, I can't see much difference between the US federal government and the Ndrangheta except for the scale of their operations.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%27Ndrangheta

    As I think it through, I can’t see much difference between the US federal government and the Ndrangheta except for the scale of their operations.

    You are correct that it’s protection racket.

    Have you read this classic?

    In an effort to PREVENT the war that Churchill called “unnecessary,” (WW2,) this 2 time Medal of Honor recipient wrote…

    “… I spent most of my [33 years in the Marine Corps] being a high class muscle- man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers.

    In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for [crony] capitalism.”

    Major General S. Butler USMC, War is a Racket, 1935

    http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html

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  63. Zorost says:

    “So why is it that even though out of the 4 possible wars, one is a potential disaster and the 3 others are a guaranteed disaster, why is it that these are discussed as if they were potential options?!”

    Because the (((people))) behind the politicians aren’t real Americans, but rootless cosmopolitans who need a war to hide their economic crimes.

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  64. @Cyrano
    I would maybe add another item to this list – suicide by ideology. If communism was ideology then capitalism is one too, even when you wrap it in fancy names like democracy for better appeal to the consumers. I think that Marx was right when he said that as an economic system matures it goes from stimulating progress, to impeding progress. Capitalism is at that stage now.

    Many of US recent wars as a main purpose had the prevention of emergence of new economic systems. They camouflage their wars as fight for “democracy” while hiding some more sinister objectives. US are not afraid of dictatorships and some other less advanced systems of governance.

    What they are most afraid is that somewhere, some new and more progressive political and economic system might emerge that will render capitalism obsolete. That’s why they try to portray capitalism as the end of evolution type of political system, to which no further improvements are possible.

    If they are so sure about it, why do they want to prevent the nations around the world from experimenting little bit in that particular field? Because they are so concerned for the well-being for that most precious of human achievements – democracy?

    Capitalism has become what they used to claim that communism was – an ideology that in order to secure its survival has to employ elements of oppression, both domestically but even more internationally.

    Capitalism has become what they used to claim that communism was – an ideology that in order to secure its survival has to employ elements of oppression, both domestically but even more internationally.

    Yup. There is no real difference. E.g., Fat Wall Street tycoons funded the Bolshies.

    “The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.”

    ― George Orwell, Animal Farm

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  65. Hibernian says:
    @Tom Welsh
    Well, not during WW2 to my knowledge! But since 1945, Britain has invented so many of the fundamental advances in computing - virtual memory, for example. But I'm not sure even I can blame all that on governmental shenanigans. It's undeniable that Britain is incredibly advanced in the art of bad, lousy, terrible, indescribably frightful management. We have lots of clever people who invent stuff, and then entrepreneurs abroad make masses of money out of them - and Britain buys them back from abroad.

    Like the fabulous story of the Leo computers. After 1945, Lyons - the tea shop chain - got together some of the Bletchley Park crew and others, and they threw together this mainframe computer, which was called Leo ("lion"). It did the accounts for Lyons, and they only needed the one - so they laid everyone off. Then various other companies came visiting and they were all thrilled by the computer, and several of them wanted one of their own. So each time the crew was reassembled and built another one-off. Somebody even asked if it might be a good idea to set up a factory and make the things to sell. You know, like for profit. But Lyons' management weren't interested. "We're in the tea and buns business," they said. "We don't know from computers".

    Presently some men in suits came along from some American company that made tabulators. They made lots of notes and went back home, and shortly after Lyons - together with most other British institutions - began relying on IBM computers.

    You really couldn't make it up.

    There was this thing called ENIAC at the University of Pennsylvania. Also John Vincent Atanasoff and Clifford Berry at Iowa State University (my alma mater.)

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  66. pogohere says: • Website
    @anonymous
    I'm waiting to see how things shake out. It's still early on in the new administration, less than sixty days. Right now there's a struggle to establish and strengthen itself domestically so that's going to absorb it's energies for a while. The rhetoric may just be a part of this positioning process so it might be mistaken to put too much emphasis on any one statement, especially when much of it sounds contradictory. Anyway, what was there to choose from in the last election? The Republican lineup, apart from Trump, were stupid beyond belief and pretty much bought-off tools of various factions of the .1%. Clinton would have been like voting for the devil to be president which many deluded Americans apparently thought was a suitable pick.
    American wars have been mostly expeditionary ones, wars of choice. That's why the propaganda level has to be so high, so thick. You have to convince the public there's something worth fighting for, something worth getting maimed for and paying big money for. That's why it has to be so heavily weaponized, to keep the casualty level below a certain level so as not to create political unrest as with Vietnam. The reasons given have been vague, such as 'building democracy', which has led some Americans to become disgruntled with this supposed effort by way of claiming that people like the Afghans and Iraqis are ungrateful for all we've tried to do for them. That's a real mental gyration, that we're just too good for those unworthy folks. Reality has a weight of it's own and one hopes we don't have to learn it the hard way.

    “so as not to create political unrest as with Vietnam”

    No draft, no political unrest. Ask anyone who had a low-mid lottery number in the 1960s.

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  67. Good riddance, Anglo-Zionist empire. The breakup of the USA would be a worthwhile price to pay to end our taxpayers’ servitude at the hands of the Globalist Elites.

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  68. pogohere says: • Website
    @SolontoCroesus
    Scott Taylor, R-Va, grew up in a dead-end town on the Eastern shore/DelMarVa, the son of a single mother. He was a disinterested and poor student in high school; determined to get the hell out of Dodge, he considered enlisting in Army, then saw a movie about Navy SEALs and fell in love; he trained as a Navy SEAL, served in Afghanistan etc., left the service and (apparently) was a mercenary in South America for a number of years.

    Taylor made use of his GI benefits to enroll in online university programs through Harvard; he completed a 'Harvard' bachelor's online, and is finishing up a Masters in International Relations, also online, also Harvard.

    Some may view Taylor as a success story: military life shaped him up, gave him purpose and an education; now he's representing a district in Virginia that is home to one of the populations of military families.

    I think it's scary to have such a person making decisions about war-and-peace for a nation that has enough firepower to obliterate most of the nations of the world, but lacks the statesmanship and character to refrain from using it.

    Harvard, and the other formerly-fine universities that had been relied on to produce the nation's leaders, has been debased and corrupted by the MIC as well as by enforcement of a censored and distorted narrative of US history. This toxic brew is dangerous when packed into someone like Scott Taylor, who does not, in my judgment, have the emotional maturity to penetrate the sugarcoating of his SEALs bravado and Harvard parchment.

    How many more are there like him, who found in killing and destroying other people's nations on behalf of lies, their path out of nowhere?

    On the other hand, what other institutions still exist in the USA to purvey character-building experiences to the young people of the USA? Do we think that creating legislation or judicial decisions that will permit a person to use whatever bathroom appeals to him/her at any given moment will produce the kind of people in whom we are willing to vest responsibility for trillions of dollars worth of weapons of mass destruction?

    ---
    Been reading East of Eden.
    Damn but Steinbeck knew the twists and turns of the human psyche, and knew how to write.

    Re: “Do we think that creating legislation or judicial decisions that will permit a person to use whatever bathroom appeals to him/her at any given moment will produce the kind of people in whom we are willing to vest responsibility for trillions of dollars worth of weapons of mass destruction?”

    If the Roman church could inspire a Luther, who knows what the future of bathroom use will bring, eh?

    Toilet where Luther strained to produce the Reformation

    October 23, 2004

    Wittenberg: German archaeologists have discovered the lavatory on which Martin Luther wrote the 95 theses that started the Protestant Reformation.

    Luther frequently alluded to the fact that he suffered from chronic constipation and spent much of his time in contemplation on the lavatory.

    Experts say they have been certain for years that the 16th-century religious leader wrote the groundbreaking theses while on das Klo, as the Germans call it.

    But they did not know where the object was, until they discovered the stone construction after recently stumbling across the remains of an annex of his house in Wittenberg, south-west of Berlin, during plans to plant a garden.

    “This is a great find,” said Stefan Rhein, the director of the Luther Memorial Foundation.

    “This is where the birth of the Reformation took place.”

    He said that until now little attention had been paid to anything “three-dimensional and human” in the writing of the theses.

    “Luther said himself that he made his reformatory discovery in cloaca [Latin for "in the sewer"]. We just had no idea where this sewer was. Now it’s clear what the reformer meant.”

    . . .
    Professor Rhein said the foundation would stop at letting the annual 80,000 visitors to Wittenberg, who come in search of the spirit of Luther, from sitting on the toilet. “I would not sit on it. There’s a point where you have to draw the line.”

    http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/10/22/1098316865171.html

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    What you talking about? There were no lavatories at that time, only outhauses.
    And Luther lived in monastery.
  69. pogohere says: • Website
    @The Scalpel
    Who says Iran does not have nukes? They might not MAKE nukes, but North Korea might have a few to spare for the right price

    Who says. . .?

    FWIW:

    U.S. Agencies See No Move by Iran to Build a Bomb

    2-24-12

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/25/world/middleeast/us-agencies-see-no-move-by-iran-to-build-a-bomb.html

    Israeli Intelligence Agrees With U.S. And IAEA That Iran Has Not Decided On Nuke Weapons

    3-19-12

    https://thinkprogress.org/israeli-intelligence-agrees-with-u-s-and-iaea-that-iran-has-not-decided-on-nuke-weapons-7f70ccb7ae59#.qe6fwljuq

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    Clearly, you did not read my comment. The comment states that I ran could buy nukes possibly from North Korea or elsewhere. They don't even have to bring them into Iran they could have some other place where they are stashing them.
  70. Druid says:
    @alexander
    It is truly shocking how far and fast the USA has fallen in a mere 16 years.

    Truly shocking.

    Is it wrong for any of us to remember back to the year 2000, when our constitution still existed, when the rule of law oriented our nation towards peace, prosperity and good will ?

    Our government was even operating at a 250 billion dollar yearly surplus.

    Can you believe it, Saker?........... a 250 billion dollar surplus !

    We had a reasonably healthy GDP to debt ratio of 2 to 1. We were paying down our national debt. There was little inflation, Our currency and our bonds were golden. We had the most robust economy in the world, a substantial middle class,the most powerful military on the planet, and the finest doctrine ever conceived, to guide us, The Constitution of the United States.

    Sure , 9-11 shocked us all.It was terrible. But the crystal clear mandate of the American people to bring its perpetrators to justice, was usurped by our Neocon overlords into bombing, attacking, destroying and occupying six nations that never attacked us at all.

    How is this possible ?

    And where are we all, today, because of it ?

    After spending close to a trillion dollars on "Homeland Security" to eradicate terror, there were MORE terror events over the last two years than there were in the entire forty year period, before 9-11, when we had no Homeland Security at all.

    Our lawmakers have OVERSPENT in treasure, 14.3 TRILLION DOLLARS in sixteen years.

    Our National debt has now, for the first time in memory, ECLIPSED our GDP.

    What good have any of our policies produced ? Anywhere ?

    We have murdered perhaps over a million innocent people, destroyed the lives of tens of millions of decent families, created the greatest refugee crisis since WWII, and burdened future generations of US taxpayers with a whopping 20 trillion dollar debt which nobody wants to discuss.

    How can any of this behavior qualify as being even remotely germane to our national interests ?

    Our empire, and the Neocon overlords who rule it , have failed us in nearly every conceivable way.

    Their empire has been built on fraud, insolvency, and "unconstitutional" belligerence, nothing more.

    Do we really need them or their pernicious ideologies guiding us into the future where there is no future at all. ?

    All true Ana amazingly sad!
    911 was an inside job

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  71. Giuseppe says:

    Kaishakunin? Are we to understand now that the already polyglot Saker is taking up Japanese?

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    You don't have to speak Japanese, Pepe.
    It is all on Google. There are 181,ooo entries about Sepukku and 5,260 about Kaishakunin.
  72. @Beelzeboss
    You point out the obvious targets, like Iran, NK, Russia, and China, as well as the reasons why they're not good targets. However, you're missing the less obvious:

    Europe. The migrant crisis and potential EU breakup provides many possible triggers, and their miniscule armies and lack of nukes provide no way to prevent it. If the warmongers need a target anyways, and everyone seems to hate Europe, why not hold the next great war in the same venue as the last 2?

    miniscule armies and lack of nukes.

    Last I checked, France and England are in Europe. About six hundred nukes combined.

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  73. Giuseppe says:

    War with Iran? We rose up and stopped war with Syria. The people who elected Trump, and Trump’s own instincts against further war in the ME, are for a humble foreign policy. If we need to, we will rise up again and stop war with Iran.

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  74. Jews in the US are like turks in europe.

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    Jews in the US are like turks in europe.
     
    Perhaps it's a 'related' problem; ~90% of 'modern' Jews are Ashkenazis = 'European' Jews, allegedly descended, not from some ancient, 'lost' tribe of Hebrews, but from self-converted denizens of the steppes somewhere north of the Caucasus, *Turco-Finn by race* [a], [b]. Summarised, this would mean a) a religion (Judaism) 'not theirs,' an heritage and a language (Hebrew) 'not theirs,' and now a land (Palestine) 'not theirs.' Due to the impossibility of surrendering inalienable rights [UDHR], plus the inadmissibility of the acquisition of land by war [UNSC242], all the decent people in the world need to do is to call for justice. 1st step, is to stop listening to "fake history" etc. from the perpetrators, say. rgds
  75. Since Kushner is more powerful than Tillerson on the Middle East issue, I guess Iran is going to make the honors to bury American Empire. By the way, has anybody seen old Rex?

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    Barely. His comments during his approval hearing were disappointing and he hasn't had a chance to make up for them yet.
  76. the US commited suicide in 2001, when it decided to try to remake the world in a universalist fantasy, that everyone wanted to be american, live like americans, and think like americans.

    Strange thing is, US still hasn’t learnted its lesson…wonder what it will take…

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  77. Emmy says:
    @Uri Katsav
    Since Kushner is more powerful than Tillerson on the Middle East issue, I guess Iran is going to make the honors to bury American Empire. By the way, has anybody seen old Rex?

    Barely. His comments during his approval hearing were disappointing and he hasn’t had a chance to make up for them yet.

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  78. Seraphim says:
    @Giuseppe
    Kaishakunin? Are we to understand now that the already polyglot Saker is taking up Japanese?

    You don’t have to speak Japanese, Pepe.
    It is all on Google. There are 181,ooo entries about Sepukku and 5,260 about Kaishakunin.

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  79. Alden says:
    @War for Blair Mountain
    Saker

    Trump like Obama has the moral spine of a jelly fish.

    The canon fodder issue affects my family in very very real time at the moment. I despise Trump with every fiber of my being. He is onboard with the escalation of the US Military presence in the Middle East and on Christians Russia's borders. And I am beginning to hate Alt Right WASPS who want a Trump Dynasty to rule America....mounting hatred towards the Alt Right.

    I don't even sleep at night because of the canon fodder issue.

    Trump=Greater Israel via Kushner.....

    We don’t have a draft. So, if you don’t mind my asking, how does the cannon fodder affect you? Recruits choose to go into the military. No one is conscripted.

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  80. It is always very sad to see a country going to commit suicide but Europe did it in 1914.
    Just before the war, the French president went to St.Petersburg and after a Russia military parade, he said: At Christmas, we will be in Berlin.
    In 1939, the French army was supposed to be the strongest in Europe. So the ability to fool oneself is not unusual.
    In both cases , the US bankers made huge profit, but this time, they might loose everything and they might be tempted to take with them the whole world.

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    Great comment.

    ...the French president went to St.Petersburg and after a Russia military parade, he said: At Christmas, we will be in Berlin.
     
    Sounds like very interesting and true quote. I tried Googling it but was unable to find a source. Is there any chance you could provide such?

    Thaniks.
  81. Zorost says:
    @War for Blair Mountain
    Saker

    Trump like Obama has the moral spine of a jelly fish.

    The canon fodder issue affects my family in very very real time at the moment. I despise Trump with every fiber of my being. He is onboard with the escalation of the US Military presence in the Middle East and on Christians Russia's borders. And I am beginning to hate Alt Right WASPS who want a Trump Dynasty to rule America....mounting hatred towards the Alt Right.

    I don't even sleep at night because of the canon fodder issue.

    Trump=Greater Israel via Kushner.....

    You are babbling nonsense. Pay attention to what Trump says and does, the difference between the 2, and MOST IMPORTANTLY what results from those things. He doesn’t go out and make a statement that is 100% factual for the sake of being factual, he makes statements to get certain results. He wrote a book about this, perhaps you should consult it before coming to conclusions.

    If you can’t comprehend subtle manipulation and power plays perhaps politics isn’t something you should indulge in studying.

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    Actually if US president is emphasizing something continuously as jobs growth, most of the people comply.
  82. Ivan K. says:
    @Authenticjazzman
    "DT is the final malignant tumor"

    And you sir are a "malignant fool"

    What you are unable to grasp is the he, DT, is forced to go it alone, having the full brunt of the leftist DS against him, he has no clue as to whom he can trust, so he is on a tight rope and juggling at the same time, and he is compelled to give in on certain issues like it or not.
    You simply, due to your limited horizon, have no focking clue as to what he is up against.

    Obviously you would have preferred the only other choice HC.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member since 1973, airborne qualified " poor kid" US Army vet, and pro jazz artist.

    Excellent retort at the start of your comment.

    brunt of the leftist DS against him

    DS? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DS What is DS?

    The other day I listened to this http://stevepieczenik.com/my-edited-interview-on-alex-jones-3-7-17/ All DJT voters should listen to it. I was very satisfied with it. …

    … Except for one thing, about which I told Pieczenik in the comments’ section. And the same day he tweeted about that:
    (https://twitter.com/StevePieczenik/status/840299367286358017)
    and again the next day:
    (https://twitter.com/StevePieczenik/status/840404595310510080)

    Not without reason:
    White House chief economic advisor Gary Cohn : “Unfortunately, we have no alternative but to reinvest in our military and make ourselves a military power once again.”

    The whole nation has become a neocon echo-chamber.

    Nevertheless, The Faker’s popularity is just a litmus test of people’s stupidity.

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  83. republic says:
    @Agent76
    November 6th, 2016 The Anti-Empire Report #146

    A collection of thoughts about American foreign policy, Louis XVI needed a revolution, Napoleon needed two historic military defeats, the Spanish Empire in the New World needed multiple revolutions, the Russian Czar needed a communist revolution, the Austro-Hungarian and Ottoman Empires needed World War I, Nazi Germany needed World War II, Imperial Japan needed two atomic bombs, the Portuguese Empire in Africa needed a military coup at home, the Soviet Empire needed Mikhail Gorbachev. What will the American Empire need?

    https://williamblum.org/aer/read/146

    bankruptcy

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  84. @SolontoCroesus
    Scott Taylor, R-Va, grew up in a dead-end town on the Eastern shore/DelMarVa, the son of a single mother. He was a disinterested and poor student in high school; determined to get the hell out of Dodge, he considered enlisting in Army, then saw a movie about Navy SEALs and fell in love; he trained as a Navy SEAL, served in Afghanistan etc., left the service and (apparently) was a mercenary in South America for a number of years.

    Taylor made use of his GI benefits to enroll in online university programs through Harvard; he completed a 'Harvard' bachelor's online, and is finishing up a Masters in International Relations, also online, also Harvard.

    Some may view Taylor as a success story: military life shaped him up, gave him purpose and an education; now he's representing a district in Virginia that is home to one of the populations of military families.

    I think it's scary to have such a person making decisions about war-and-peace for a nation that has enough firepower to obliterate most of the nations of the world, but lacks the statesmanship and character to refrain from using it.

    Harvard, and the other formerly-fine universities that had been relied on to produce the nation's leaders, has been debased and corrupted by the MIC as well as by enforcement of a censored and distorted narrative of US history. This toxic brew is dangerous when packed into someone like Scott Taylor, who does not, in my judgment, have the emotional maturity to penetrate the sugarcoating of his SEALs bravado and Harvard parchment.

    How many more are there like him, who found in killing and destroying other people's nations on behalf of lies, their path out of nowhere?

    On the other hand, what other institutions still exist in the USA to purvey character-building experiences to the young people of the USA? Do we think that creating legislation or judicial decisions that will permit a person to use whatever bathroom appeals to him/her at any given moment will produce the kind of people in whom we are willing to vest responsibility for trillions of dollars worth of weapons of mass destruction?

    ---
    Been reading East of Eden.
    Damn but Steinbeck knew the twists and turns of the human psyche, and knew how to write.

    ” Who does not, ( ST) in my judgement, have the emotional maturity to penetrate the sugarcoating of his Seals bravado”

    So who are you anyway, seeing as everyone everyone has a “Judgement” at their disposal, do you alone set the criteria for who is qualified to handle world affairs.

    Secondly, apparently you would prefer someone equiped with a marxist SJW mindset such as HC, or BO to be in the position of making the decisions regarding war or peace, as in the current drive engaged by the leftist loonies to incite an armed conflict betweeen the US and Russia, simply because they, the Russians, have dashed the hopes of world communism and they do not cater to Gays.

    Authenticjazzman ” Mensa” society member since 1973, airborne qualified “Poor kid” US army vet, and pro jazz artist.

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    So who are you anyway, seeing as everyone everyone has a “Judgement” at their disposal, do you alone set the criteria for who is qualified to handle world affairs.
     
    As I understand it, the thing about jazz is one plays the notes in one's head rather than from the score.
    I noted my judgment of ST's decision-making abilities; I failed to attach a link to the 30 min. interview that informed that judgment -- https://www.c-span.org/video/?425106-3/washington-journal-representative-scott-taylor-rva
    Taylor's responses had all the schmooze of a used car salesman; he agreed with everybody, endorsed everything, displayed very little of keen insight into foreign affairs based on his combination of on-the-scenes experience plus academic tutelage. That he used his SEAL training to function as a mercenary ("security consultant") in South America was not a career move I would have advised a son of mine to make.

    That our choices are between snowflakes and trained killers -- the first group having been emotionally coddled http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2017/03/httpswwwnytimescom20170311opinionsundaythe-dangerous-safety-of-collegehtmlrefopinion.html
    the second group having been emotionally deadened -- and the overall capture of US education by what Saker calls the Anglo-zionists, adds more weight to the Saker's prediction of suicide for the Empire.
    People like you and me need to speak out more and more forcefully to insist on better leaders as well as more robust education in critical analysis for our young people.

    Seppuku is a long, slow process of self-destruction; US suicide has been in progress since FDR if not Woodrow Wilson. Our zionist overlords will not be the kaishakunin; quite the contrary: they will supply the knife, and contrive that it not be sharpened.

  85. Che Guava says:
    @Sparkon
    My approach is to keep reading, even when I encounter red flags like non-standard punctuation, misspelling, or statements with which I may disagree.* However, I tend to favor writers who can make their points concisely, and cogently, as you did in your closing paragraph.

    Brevity is the soul of more than just wit.

    I must now go OT briefly to comment about the strange punctuation, or typographical convention being used by you and some writers here, including the host, but excluding The Saker.

    I'm talking about this:

    that’s not any kind of *real* money these days.
     
    Where did this originate? We already have italics and bold for emphasis, as well as "quotation marks," and in some places, even underline is possible ('though not here). but this business with the bold asterisks enclosing some bold word or phrase is entirely non-standard usage that I've never encountered anywhere but here at Unz.com.

    It's not only completely non-standard, but eminently cheesy too. I suggest dropping it.

    "Real money," as you used it, was completely clear in its meaning, with no need for the bizarre emphasis, especially with italics, bold, (underline), and quotation marks already present on the standard punctuation palette of good writers.

    Standards matter too. We have them for a reason.

    As we've seen, there is a tendency, especially among younger, less educated writers trying to be cool, to assign new meanings to familiar words, like "sick." Bad English was parading around a few years ago under the euphemism Eubonics, which led to things like "Expect Great," which was, and perhaps still is, the motto of the WNBA. So far, the gals haven't taken up full contact tackle football, but if they do, let me be the first to suggest a grammatically correct motto: "Expect No Babies."

    When it comes to writing, and a "few" other things in life, we will do best to stick with the tried and true.

    If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

    'Especially when it comes to language.

    Else, Babylon.

    Old-fashioned me, but quotation marks (to introduce a term or to cast doubt), itals (words of other origin), bold (for emphasis).

    I learnt to touch-type on a typewriter with the keyboard at an angle of about 45°, the best way, really had to hit the keys, electrical jobs and portables, PCs were around, but our instructor was tough, and correct.

    Still have an old portable typewriter, not so punishing, needs repairs, but a shop in Tokyo keeps handling them, last I checked.

    Underlined text from a typewriter became bold with no underline if it was to be published.

    I checked if the HTML for underlining works here, seems it doesn’t. Not a bad idea.

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  86. “And when I refer to self-destructive behavior I don’t mean long-term issues such as the non-sustainability of the capitalist economic model or the social consequences of a society which not only is unable to differentiate right from wrong, but which now decrees that deviant behavior is healthy and normal.”

    This is so typical of Saker’s idiocy. The capitalist economic model is inherently stable and sustainable. The problem is he’s too ignorant to realize we are not on the capitalistic model. It may resemble that concept in a superficial way, but every modern capitalist country is a kleptocracy as much as Russia is. Russia is simply more open about it.

    “the US military was never a very impressive one, certainly not when compared to the British, Russian or German ones. But it did have a couple of very strong points including the ability to produce a lot of technical innovations which made it possible to produce new, sometimes quite revolutionary, weapons.”

    This is simply Saker’s personal opinion and it does not stand up to comparison with history. Basically, it is simply another way of Saker displaying his ignorance. Russia was “impressive” simply because Stalin was willing to pile bodies on his military problems. The T-34 was an excellent tank and the Sturmovik and excellent ground attack aircraft. Add in the willingness of Soviet soldiers to allow Stalin to pile their bodies on Stalin’s problems, and you get an impressiveness of a sort, but not of the type any civilized country wishes to have associated with their name. Man for man, the Russian Army was far inferior to Germany’s. It was not so for either the Brits or US – they were nearly the equal of the Germans.

    “How did a country which produced the UH-1 Huey or the F-16 suddenly start producing Apaches and F-35s?!”

    Nothing wrong with the Apache. I’d agree on the F-35, but for much different reasons than Saker is able to express.

    “And it is against this lackluster background that a rather unimpressive personality like General James Mattis can appear, at least to some, like a good candidate for Secretary of Defense.”

    Mattis is one of the more impressive officers the US has produced. He went no further because he wasn’t a politician like prissy little Petraeus. The problem is, he admires nonentities like Shoigu, and morons like Putin. Given such an inverted scale, it is to be expected that Saker would have problems with a man like Mattis.

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    " Morons like Putin".

    Yeah a moron who speaks several languages fluently, plays competent classical piano, holds a PhD, and last but not least manages to keep cool in spite of the incessant rage directed at him by the SJM media and leftist loonies, who are foaming at the mouth because of his refusal to red carpet gays, and his absolute rejection of communism.
    A moron who maintains an 80% approval rating amongst his tried citizens, and who recognizes the inherent goodness and wisdom manifest within DT.

    You my friend are the moron in this constellation, and it would behoove you to pull your head out of the marxist trap and to wake yourself up.

    Authenticjazzman " Mensa" society member since 1973, airborne qualified " poor kid" US army vet , and pro jazz artist.
    , @Alden
    You are right that Russia only won battles because Stalin piled up bodies and the Russian soldiers were willing to be piled up.

    But what Saker and other Russiab chauvinists will never admit is why the Russian soldiers were so eager to advance and die.
    Stalin, like many commanders going back to Alexander had well armed military police stationed behind the soldiers. Their job was to shoot down any soldiers who failed to advance. Not just soldiers who retreated but soldiers who failed to advance.

    So faced with certain death at the hands of Stalin's thugs, the soldiers took on the Germans where they had a chance of survival.
  87. @Zorost
    You are babbling nonsense. Pay attention to what Trump says and does, the difference between the 2, and MOST IMPORTANTLY what results from those things. He doesn't go out and make a statement that is 100% factual for the sake of being factual, he makes statements to get certain results. He wrote a book about this, perhaps you should consult it before coming to conclusions.

    If you can't comprehend subtle manipulation and power plays perhaps politics isn't something you should indulge in studying.

    Actually if US president is emphasizing something continuously as jobs growth, most of the people comply.

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  88. @pogohere
    Re: "Do we think that creating legislation or judicial decisions that will permit a person to use whatever bathroom appeals to him/her at any given moment will produce the kind of people in whom we are willing to vest responsibility for trillions of dollars worth of weapons of mass destruction?"

    If the Roman church could inspire a Luther, who knows what the future of bathroom use will bring, eh?

    Toilet where Luther strained to produce the Reformation

    October 23, 2004

    Wittenberg: German archaeologists have discovered the lavatory on which Martin Luther wrote the 95 theses that started the Protestant Reformation.

    Luther frequently alluded to the fact that he suffered from chronic constipation and spent much of his time in contemplation on the lavatory.

    Experts say they have been certain for years that the 16th-century religious leader wrote the groundbreaking theses while on das Klo, as the Germans call it.

    But they did not know where the object was, until they discovered the stone construction after recently stumbling across the remains of an annex of his house in Wittenberg, south-west of Berlin, during plans to plant a garden.

    "This is a great find," said Stefan Rhein, the director of the Luther Memorial Foundation.

    "This is where the birth of the Reformation took place."

    He said that until now little attention had been paid to anything "three-dimensional and human" in the writing of the theses.

    "Luther said himself that he made his reformatory discovery in cloaca [Latin for "in the sewer"]. We just had no idea where this sewer was. Now it's clear what the reformer meant."

    . . .
    Professor Rhein said the foundation would stop at letting the annual 80,000 visitors to Wittenberg, who come in search of the spirit of Luther, from sitting on the toilet. "I would not sit on it. There's a point where you have to draw the line."

    http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/10/22/1098316865171.html

    What you talking about? There were no lavatories at that time, only outhauses.
    And Luther lived in monastery.

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    • Replies: @Alden
    Monasteries and convents had Roman style lavatories. They were built over drains and made of stone. The drain was on a downward slant. Behind a door was a water reservoir. Several times a day someone lifted the door and the water washed the waste away.

    The waste usually ended up in the compost pile. Or in a reed bed filtration system before it got to a nearby river.
    , @Dan Hayes
    Ilyana Rozumova,

    And Luther never left the monastery! He continued living at the monastery during and after the various unpleasantries.
  89. @Authenticjazzman
    " Who does not, ( ST) in my judgement, have the emotional maturity to penetrate the sugarcoating of his Seals bravado"

    So who are you anyway, seeing as everyone everyone has a "Judgement" at their disposal, do you alone set the criteria for who is qualified to handle world affairs.

    Secondly, apparently you would prefer someone equiped with a marxist SJW mindset such as HC, or BO to be in the position of making the decisions regarding war or peace, as in the current drive engaged by the leftist loonies to incite an armed conflict betweeen the US and Russia, simply because they, the Russians, have dashed the hopes of world communism and they do not cater to Gays.

    Authenticjazzman " Mensa" society member since 1973, airborne qualified "Poor kid" US army vet, and pro jazz artist.

    So who are you anyway, seeing as everyone everyone has a “Judgement” at their disposal, do you alone set the criteria for who is qualified to handle world affairs.

    As I understand it, the thing about jazz is one plays the notes in one’s head rather than from the score.
    I noted my judgment of ST’s decision-making abilities; I failed to attach a link to the 30 min. interview that informed that judgment — https://www.c-span.org/video/?425106-3/washington-journal-representative-scott-taylor-rva
    Taylor’s responses had all the schmooze of a used car salesman; he agreed with everybody, endorsed everything, displayed very little of keen insight into foreign affairs based on his combination of on-the-scenes experience plus academic tutelage. That he used his SEAL training to function as a mercenary (“security consultant”) in South America was not a career move I would have advised a son of mine to make.

    That our choices are between snowflakes and trained killers — the first group having been emotionally coddled http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2017/03/httpswwwnytimescom20170311opinionsundaythe-dangerous-safety-of-collegehtmlrefopinion.html
    the second group having been emotionally deadened — and the overall capture of US education by what Saker calls the Anglo-zionists, adds more weight to the Saker’s prediction of suicide for the Empire.
    People like you and me need to speak out more and more forcefully to insist on better leaders as well as more robust education in critical analysis for our young people.

    Seppuku is a long, slow process of self-destruction; US suicide has been in progress since FDR if not Woodrow Wilson. Our zionist overlords will not be the kaishakunin; quite the contrary: they will supply the knife, and contrive that it not be sharpened.

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    " The thing about jazz is one play the notes in ones head"

    Just what the hell does jazz music have to do with this issue?

    Look friend you can refrain right now from lecturing me on the subject of jazz music, seeing as I have been immersed therein since the fifties and really am not in need of tutoring or advice pertaining thereto.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member since 1973, airborne qualified "poor kid" US army vet and pro jazz artist.
  90. @Quartermaster

    “And when I refer to self-destructive behavior I don’t mean long-term issues such as the non-sustainability of the capitalist economic model or the social consequences of a society which not only is unable to differentiate right from wrong, but which now decrees that deviant behavior is healthy and normal.”
     
    This is so typical of Saker’s idiocy. The capitalist economic model is inherently stable and sustainable. The problem is he’s too ignorant to realize we are not on the capitalistic model. It may resemble that concept in a superficial way, but every modern capitalist country is a kleptocracy as much as Russia is. Russia is simply more open about it.

    “the US military was never a very impressive one, certainly not when compared to the British, Russian or German ones. But it did have a couple of very strong points including the ability to produce a lot of technical innovations which made it possible to produce new, sometimes quite revolutionary, weapons.”
     
    This is simply Saker’s personal opinion and it does not stand up to comparison with history. Basically, it is simply another way of Saker displaying his ignorance. Russia was “impressive” simply because Stalin was willing to pile bodies on his military problems. The T-34 was an excellent tank and the Sturmovik and excellent ground attack aircraft. Add in the willingness of Soviet soldiers to allow Stalin to pile their bodies on Stalin’s problems, and you get an impressiveness of a sort, but not of the type any civilized country wishes to have associated with their name. Man for man, the Russian Army was far inferior to Germany’s. It was not so for either the Brits or US – they were nearly the equal of the Germans.

    “How did a country which produced the UH-1 Huey or the F-16 suddenly start producing Apaches and F-35s?!”
     
    Nothing wrong with the Apache. I’d agree on the F-35, but for much different reasons than Saker is able to express.

    “And it is against this lackluster background that a rather unimpressive personality like General James Mattis can appear, at least to some, like a good candidate for Secretary of Defense.”
     
    Mattis is one of the more impressive officers the US has produced. He went no further because he wasn’t a politician like prissy little Petraeus. The problem is, he admires nonentities like Shoigu, and morons like Putin. Given such an inverted scale, it is to be expected that Saker would have problems with a man like Mattis.

    ” Morons like Putin”.

    Yeah a moron who speaks several languages fluently, plays competent classical piano, holds a PhD, and last but not least manages to keep cool in spite of the incessant rage directed at him by the SJM media and leftist loonies, who are foaming at the mouth because of his refusal to red carpet gays, and his absolute rejection of communism.
    A moron who maintains an 80% approval rating amongst his tried citizens, and who recognizes the inherent goodness and wisdom manifest within DT.

    You my friend are the moron in this constellation, and it would behoove you to pull your head out of the marxist trap and to wake yourself up.

    Authenticjazzman ” Mensa” society member since 1973, airborne qualified ” poor kid” US army vet , and pro jazz artist.

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    You know responding to the Quartermaster is like trying to teach a pig to sing you can't and will only annoy the pig..
    , @Quartermaster

    Yeah a moron who speaks several languages fluently, plays competent classical piano, holds a PhD, and last but not least manages to keep cool in spite of the incessant rage directed at him by the SJM media and leftist loonies, who are foaming at the mouth because of his refusal to red carpet gays, and his absolute rejection of communism.

    A moron who maintains an 80% approval rating amongst his tried citizens, and who recognizes the inherent goodness and wisdom manifest within DT.
     
    None of which is the least bit relevant.

    Putin has just about burned through his reserves, leaving only the welfare fund, from which pensions are paid. Only about one third of pensions are being paid at the moment.

    You need to look a bit deeper at that 'approval rating." The source of that bit of fake news is Putin's propaganda organs. Putin is a moron because he has refused the learn the lessons of history, and he is dragging Russia into the pit with him, just as Hitler did Germany.

    The list of your "credentials" at the end is an embarrassment to you. The only thing it gets you is an understanding that the time you became a "dirt dart" rattled your brain and has prevented you from absorbing much of anything since.
  91. Che Guava says:
    @Agent76
    March 9, 2017 The US Psychic Programme: Not Yesterday’s News, But Tomorrow’s News 

    Once again one of those stories has come round which you have to comment on, whatever you were intending to write about. On the face of it, the story is old news. When you dig deeper however you discover it is very much in line with what is going on right now, and none of us will be able to avoid the consequences.

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/03/09/the-us-psychic-programme-not-yesterdays-news-but-tomorrows-news/

    Well, the U.S. Army’s version seems to have been the better known, I have a paperback book on it.

    If I had it at hand (in a box at the moment), would be naming projects and COs.

    Am finding the contents mainly reliable.

    Not as to efficacy, but to it having existed, it was run in the last stage by a general who promoted ‘New Age’ brainwashing courses for senior soldiers and officers.

    In the first stage, with CIA funding for a Uri Geller style fraud.

    Unlike him, I am to a small degree psychic or psychically sensitive, but to the degree that I am, it just makes me feel bad, in (not Japan) but Tokyo, so many people are horrid every day.

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  92. @SolontoCroesus

    So who are you anyway, seeing as everyone everyone has a “Judgement” at their disposal, do you alone set the criteria for who is qualified to handle world affairs.
     
    As I understand it, the thing about jazz is one plays the notes in one's head rather than from the score.
    I noted my judgment of ST's decision-making abilities; I failed to attach a link to the 30 min. interview that informed that judgment -- https://www.c-span.org/video/?425106-3/washington-journal-representative-scott-taylor-rva
    Taylor's responses had all the schmooze of a used car salesman; he agreed with everybody, endorsed everything, displayed very little of keen insight into foreign affairs based on his combination of on-the-scenes experience plus academic tutelage. That he used his SEAL training to function as a mercenary ("security consultant") in South America was not a career move I would have advised a son of mine to make.

    That our choices are between snowflakes and trained killers -- the first group having been emotionally coddled http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2017/03/httpswwwnytimescom20170311opinionsundaythe-dangerous-safety-of-collegehtmlrefopinion.html
    the second group having been emotionally deadened -- and the overall capture of US education by what Saker calls the Anglo-zionists, adds more weight to the Saker's prediction of suicide for the Empire.
    People like you and me need to speak out more and more forcefully to insist on better leaders as well as more robust education in critical analysis for our young people.

    Seppuku is a long, slow process of self-destruction; US suicide has been in progress since FDR if not Woodrow Wilson. Our zionist overlords will not be the kaishakunin; quite the contrary: they will supply the knife, and contrive that it not be sharpened.

    ” The thing about jazz is one play the notes in ones head”

    Just what the hell does jazz music have to do with this issue?

    Look friend you can refrain right now from lecturing me on the subject of jazz music, seeing as I have been immersed therein since the fifties and really am not in need of tutoring or advice pertaining thereto.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” society member since 1973, airborne qualified “poor kid” US army vet and pro jazz artist.

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    I have been immersed therein since the fifties
     
    Any vids?
  93. “James Baker (the last real US diplomat, and a brilliant one at that).”

    Perhaps once upon a time.

    With his latest rollout of a ‘carbon tax’ with fellow climate change henchman George Schultz, his imbibing of the green Koolade cancels out his ‘brilliance.’

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  94. Vlad says:

    You are right of course as always in your judgments. Just want to add that the 50 billion hike in military budget shows Trump does not understand that the problem with American military is not lack of funds but in theft by elaborate system of prices and corruption, lack of accountability . What American military needs is not more funds but a good purse of the entire system of contracting, bids, and procurement reform. What the US military also needs is cut in number of useless bases and restructuring of NATO rather than its expansion. So far Trump has been continuing on the same wrong path as everybody else before him. too bad.

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  95. bluedog says:
    @Authenticjazzman
    " Morons like Putin".

    Yeah a moron who speaks several languages fluently, plays competent classical piano, holds a PhD, and last but not least manages to keep cool in spite of the incessant rage directed at him by the SJM media and leftist loonies, who are foaming at the mouth because of his refusal to red carpet gays, and his absolute rejection of communism.
    A moron who maintains an 80% approval rating amongst his tried citizens, and who recognizes the inherent goodness and wisdom manifest within DT.

    You my friend are the moron in this constellation, and it would behoove you to pull your head out of the marxist trap and to wake yourself up.

    Authenticjazzman " Mensa" society member since 1973, airborne qualified " poor kid" US army vet , and pro jazz artist.

    You know responding to the Quartermaster is like trying to teach a pig to sing you can’t and will only annoy the pig..

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    • Replies: @Quartermaster
    Quite to the contrary there Blue. If he had anything intelligent to say I'd listen and consider it. But, much like you, he is simply a preening fool who is often wrong, but never uncertain.
  96. skrik says:
    @allahu akbar
    Jews in the US are like turks in europe.

    Jews in the US are like turks in europe.

    Perhaps it’s a ‘related’ problem; ~90% of ‘modern’ Jews are Ashkenazis = ‘European’ Jews, allegedly descended, not from some ancient, ‘lost’ tribe of Hebrews, but from self-converted denizens of the steppes somewhere north of the Caucasus, *Turco-Finn by race* [a], [b]. Summarised, this would mean a) a religion (Judaism) ‘not theirs,’ an heritage and a language (Hebrew) ‘not theirs,’ and now a land (Palestine) ‘not theirs.’ Due to the impossibility of surrendering inalienable rights [UDHR], plus the inadmissibility of the acquisition of land by war [UNSC242], all the decent people in the world need to do is to call for justice. 1st step, is to stop listening to “fake history” etc. from the perpetrators, say. rgds

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  97. Alden says:
    @Quartermaster

    “And when I refer to self-destructive behavior I don’t mean long-term issues such as the non-sustainability of the capitalist economic model or the social consequences of a society which not only is unable to differentiate right from wrong, but which now decrees that deviant behavior is healthy and normal.”
     
    This is so typical of Saker’s idiocy. The capitalist economic model is inherently stable and sustainable. The problem is he’s too ignorant to realize we are not on the capitalistic model. It may resemble that concept in a superficial way, but every modern capitalist country is a kleptocracy as much as Russia is. Russia is simply more open about it.

    “the US military was never a very impressive one, certainly not when compared to the British, Russian or German ones. But it did have a couple of very strong points including the ability to produce a lot of technical innovations which made it possible to produce new, sometimes quite revolutionary, weapons.”
     
    This is simply Saker’s personal opinion and it does not stand up to comparison with history. Basically, it is simply another way of Saker displaying his ignorance. Russia was “impressive” simply because Stalin was willing to pile bodies on his military problems. The T-34 was an excellent tank and the Sturmovik and excellent ground attack aircraft. Add in the willingness of Soviet soldiers to allow Stalin to pile their bodies on Stalin’s problems, and you get an impressiveness of a sort, but not of the type any civilized country wishes to have associated with their name. Man for man, the Russian Army was far inferior to Germany’s. It was not so for either the Brits or US – they were nearly the equal of the Germans.

    “How did a country which produced the UH-1 Huey or the F-16 suddenly start producing Apaches and F-35s?!”
     
    Nothing wrong with the Apache. I’d agree on the F-35, but for much different reasons than Saker is able to express.

    “And it is against this lackluster background that a rather unimpressive personality like General James Mattis can appear, at least to some, like a good candidate for Secretary of Defense.”
     
    Mattis is one of the more impressive officers the US has produced. He went no further because he wasn’t a politician like prissy little Petraeus. The problem is, he admires nonentities like Shoigu, and morons like Putin. Given such an inverted scale, it is to be expected that Saker would have problems with a man like Mattis.

    You are right that Russia only won battles because Stalin piled up bodies and the Russian soldiers were willing to be piled up.

    But what Saker and other Russiab chauvinists will never admit is why the Russian soldiers were so eager to advance and die.
    Stalin, like many commanders going back to Alexander had well armed military police stationed behind the soldiers. Their job was to shoot down any soldiers who failed to advance. Not just soldiers who retreated but soldiers who failed to advance.

    So faced with certain death at the hands of Stalin’s thugs, the soldiers took on the Germans where they had a chance of survival.

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    Oh hell nothing strange about that for back during our own Revolution they stationed men behind the front line to shoot anyone who broke and ran,and talk about piling up bodies you really ought to read about our so call Civil War,Grant wasen't nicknamed butcher Grant for nothing as he piled up the dead bodies of his northern troops..
    , @Cyrano
    You are right man. Russians are basically cowards who had no love for their country or their families and can be only made to fight under a threat of immediate execution. With such brilliant insights into history you should teach the subject at some prestigious institution or be institutionalized - one of the two.
    , @utu
    Barrier troops https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrier_troops

    On September 12, 1941, Joseph Stalin issued the Stavka Directive No. 1919 (Директива Ставки ВГК №001919) concerning the creation of barrier troops in rifle divisions of the Southwestern Front, to suppress panic retreats. Each Red Army division was to have an anti-retreat detachment equipped with transport totalling one company for each regiment. Their primary goal was to maintain strict military discipline and to prevent disintegration of the front line by any means, including the use of machine guns to indiscriminately shoot any personnel retreating without authorization.[6] These barrier troops were usually formed from ordinary military units, and placed under NKVD command.
     

    A report to Commissar General of State Security Lavrentiy Beria on October 10, 1941, noted that since the beginning of the war, NKVD anti-retreat troops had detained a total of 657,364 retreating or deserting personnel, of which 25,878 were arrested (of which 10,201 were sentenced to death by court martial) and the rest were returned to active duty. Most of those arrested were later returned to active duty as well.[7]
     
    This is how they produced countless Soviet heroes. Wasting human lives by Soviets meant nothing. No wonder that they have such huge losses including those killed by the barrier troops. To kill one German soldier it took on average 7 Soviet soldiers.
  98. Che Guava says:
    @WorkingClass
    Yes of course. Thank you. My spell checker doesn't always save me.

    See ya mate, yeah see ya mate.
    (quote from Mark E. Smith)

    I never use spell checking, and my errors are few. I would suggest that ‘Working Class’ is not the best u-name, if you search, you will likely to finding many others who are not you, Otoh, you are the only one to using the name here, so it is great.

    Confused moi. Still, I will say that vs. the fakes, it isn’t bad, most are fake.

    Salut.

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  99. Alden says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova
    What you talking about? There were no lavatories at that time, only outhauses.
    And Luther lived in monastery.

    Monasteries and convents had Roman style lavatories. They were built over drains and made of stone. The drain was on a downward slant. Behind a door was a water reservoir. Several times a day someone lifted the door and the water washed the waste away.

    The waste usually ended up in the compost pile. Or in a reed bed filtration system before it got to a nearby river.

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  100. FLgeezer says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    Scott Taylor, R-Va, grew up in a dead-end town on the Eastern shore/DelMarVa, the son of a single mother. He was a disinterested and poor student in high school; determined to get the hell out of Dodge, he considered enlisting in Army, then saw a movie about Navy SEALs and fell in love; he trained as a Navy SEAL, served in Afghanistan etc., left the service and (apparently) was a mercenary in South America for a number of years.

    Taylor made use of his GI benefits to enroll in online university programs through Harvard; he completed a 'Harvard' bachelor's online, and is finishing up a Masters in International Relations, also online, also Harvard.

    Some may view Taylor as a success story: military life shaped him up, gave him purpose and an education; now he's representing a district in Virginia that is home to one of the populations of military families.

    I think it's scary to have such a person making decisions about war-and-peace for a nation that has enough firepower to obliterate most of the nations of the world, but lacks the statesmanship and character to refrain from using it.

    Harvard, and the other formerly-fine universities that had been relied on to produce the nation's leaders, has been debased and corrupted by the MIC as well as by enforcement of a censored and distorted narrative of US history. This toxic brew is dangerous when packed into someone like Scott Taylor, who does not, in my judgment, have the emotional maturity to penetrate the sugarcoating of his SEALs bravado and Harvard parchment.

    How many more are there like him, who found in killing and destroying other people's nations on behalf of lies, their path out of nowhere?

    On the other hand, what other institutions still exist in the USA to purvey character-building experiences to the young people of the USA? Do we think that creating legislation or judicial decisions that will permit a person to use whatever bathroom appeals to him/her at any given moment will produce the kind of people in whom we are willing to vest responsibility for trillions of dollars worth of weapons of mass destruction?

    ---
    Been reading East of Eden.
    Damn but Steinbeck knew the twists and turns of the human psyche, and knew how to write.

    >what other institutions still exist in the USA to purvey character building experiences to the young people of the USA

    Three come immediately to mind: Hillsdale College, Franciscan University of Steubenville, and St. Thomas Aquinas University.

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  101. bluedog says:
    @Alden
    You are right that Russia only won battles because Stalin piled up bodies and the Russian soldiers were willing to be piled up.

    But what Saker and other Russiab chauvinists will never admit is why the Russian soldiers were so eager to advance and die.
    Stalin, like many commanders going back to Alexander had well armed military police stationed behind the soldiers. Their job was to shoot down any soldiers who failed to advance. Not just soldiers who retreated but soldiers who failed to advance.

    So faced with certain death at the hands of Stalin's thugs, the soldiers took on the Germans where they had a chance of survival.

    Oh hell nothing strange about that for back during our own Revolution they stationed men behind the front line to shoot anyone who broke and ran,and talk about piling up bodies you really ought to read about our so call Civil War,Grant wasen’t nicknamed butcher Grant for nothing as he piled up the dead bodies of his northern troops..

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    You wrote:

    nothing strange about that
     
    I think you may have meant to write: nothing unprecedented about that.

    Shooting one's own soldiers (to force them to fight) is certainly wicked, evil, ruthless, cruel, and bloodthirsty, among other negatives, but strange--although not inaccurate--would not rate among the more precise descriptions of this despicable practice, at least in my view, but yours may vary.

    Given the opportunity, I think most sane men of good will would gladly shake hands and walk away, rather than start shooting at each other, and that is why, from time immemorial, commanders have punished their own soldiers for refusing to fight.

    See, for example, the widely misused verb decimate, which once had a precise meaning, but which has been lost due to misuse by uneducated writers too lazy to consult a dictionary, and whose own vocabulary apparently was bereft of such precise terms of complete destruction as annihilate, destroy, devastate, or even wipe-out.

    , @Che Guava
    Bluedog, I meant to comment on the northern army's tactics there in the American War of Northern Aggression, but it is not unique,

    British officers did it to British soldiers in WWI, Chinese and Japanese officers did it to their respective soldiers at times in our invasion, there must be many other examples, even if I am to check my own memory of read history, can produce more examples.

    What was unique on the USSR front was, at least until Stalingrad, the political comissars who had the right to, or commanded units to, shoot retreating soldiers were almost universally Jewish, so alien from the soldiers, even from the high-ranking officers.
  102. Bill says:
    @War for Blair Mountain
    That's very much a selfish Libertarian world view where everyone is a greedy maximizing utility function with perfect rationality.

    The real world is just the opposite especially when it comes to White Teenage Males from White Working Class Families-and this is the world the Pentagon knows is true and real...and the Pentagons' TV recruiting commercials take advantage of that desperation.

    White Working Class Teenage boys don't make free choices...they make "free" choices....but you demand they suffer the full consequences of the Army Recruiter's lies.

    What a sack of shit you are. If only the CHICKENHAWK-War Hawk White Guy Trump Bros were drafted and parachuted into downtown Mosul with an m-16. We would no longer have to listen to White Girly Boy Cuck Libertarians schrieks about free choice and the "moral" consequences of free choice when it comes to very desperate Working Class Teenage Makes....And this is what it is at the end of the day:White Girly Boy Libertarian hatred of the White Working Class...while Trump's sons cut multi-$$$$$$ bizness deals in Dubai...and jet back for tennis in Palm Springs....

    You sicko...I suspect that you enjoy the Wounded Warrior Project Commercials


    The narcissist Donald Trump doesn't get a blank check to use the White Teenage Male Population as canon fodder for Greater Israel...but you apparently think he does get a blank check to do this.

    Good comment. I was struck by the way the Army was portrayed in Winters Bone. It was a kind of siren song for the desperate, offering a steady job for the low-skilled at the expense of ripping you out of your community and possibly killing you.

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  103. Cyrano says:
    @Alden
    You are right that Russia only won battles because Stalin piled up bodies and the Russian soldiers were willing to be piled up.

    But what Saker and other Russiab chauvinists will never admit is why the Russian soldiers were so eager to advance and die.
    Stalin, like many commanders going back to Alexander had well armed military police stationed behind the soldiers. Their job was to shoot down any soldiers who failed to advance. Not just soldiers who retreated but soldiers who failed to advance.

    So faced with certain death at the hands of Stalin's thugs, the soldiers took on the Germans where they had a chance of survival.

    You are right man. Russians are basically cowards who had no love for their country or their families and can be only made to fight under a threat of immediate execution. With such brilliant insights into history you should teach the subject at some prestigious institution or be institutionalized – one of the two.

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    Alden is correct and you're a preening idiot who posts stupidity because you have no way to refute him.
  104. Dan Hayes says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova
    What you talking about? There were no lavatories at that time, only outhauses.
    And Luther lived in monastery.

    Ilyana Rozumova,

    And Luther never left the monastery! He continued living at the monastery during and after the various unpleasantries.

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  105. commonman says:

    Trump will only act when there is something ($$) in it for Trump. Our prostitutes in Washington need to be throw out, they have deemed themselves to be untouchable and one way to expose if our elections are valid is to watch and see how many lose their positions. I doubt many would as the people’s choices would be ignored if against the status quo. The past primary is a good example. Sanders draws crowds of thousands while Hillary speaks in front of a few hundred. Hillary wins, no she lost only as did the majority who voted for Sanders. Face the facts, “We The People” no longer exists.

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  106. Sparkon says:
    @bluedog
    Oh hell nothing strange about that for back during our own Revolution they stationed men behind the front line to shoot anyone who broke and ran,and talk about piling up bodies you really ought to read about our so call Civil War,Grant wasen't nicknamed butcher Grant for nothing as he piled up the dead bodies of his northern troops..

    You wrote:

    nothing strange about that

    I think you may have meant to write: nothing unprecedented about that.

    Shooting one’s own soldiers (to force them to fight) is certainly wicked, evil, ruthless, cruel, and bloodthirsty, among other negatives, but strange–although not inaccurate–would not rate among the more precise descriptions of this despicable practice, at least in my view, but yours may vary.

    Given the opportunity, I think most sane men of good will would gladly shake hands and walk away, rather than start shooting at each other, and that is why, from time immemorial, commanders have punished their own soldiers for refusing to fight.

    See, for example, the widely misused verb decimate, which once had a precise meaning, but which has been lost due to misuse by uneducated writers too lazy to consult a dictionary, and whose own vocabulary apparently was bereft of such precise terms of complete destruction as annihilate, destroy, devastate, or even wipe-out.

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  107. utu says:
    @Alden
    You are right that Russia only won battles because Stalin piled up bodies and the Russian soldiers were willing to be piled up.

    But what Saker and other Russiab chauvinists will never admit is why the Russian soldiers were so eager to advance and die.
    Stalin, like many commanders going back to Alexander had well armed military police stationed behind the soldiers. Their job was to shoot down any soldiers who failed to advance. Not just soldiers who retreated but soldiers who failed to advance.

    So faced with certain death at the hands of Stalin's thugs, the soldiers took on the Germans where they had a chance of survival.

    Barrier troops https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrier_troops

    On September 12, 1941, Joseph Stalin issued the Stavka Directive No. 1919 (Директива Ставки ВГК №001919) concerning the creation of barrier troops in rifle divisions of the Southwestern Front, to suppress panic retreats. Each Red Army division was to have an anti-retreat detachment equipped with transport totalling one company for each regiment. Their primary goal was to maintain strict military discipline and to prevent disintegration of the front line by any means, including the use of machine guns to indiscriminately shoot any personnel retreating without authorization.[6] These barrier troops were usually formed from ordinary military units, and placed under NKVD command.

    A report to Commissar General of State Security Lavrentiy Beria on October 10, 1941, noted that since the beginning of the war, NKVD anti-retreat troops had detained a total of 657,364 retreating or deserting personnel, of which 25,878 were arrested (of which 10,201 were sentenced to death by court martial) and the rest were returned to active duty. Most of those arrested were later returned to active duty as well.[7]

    This is how they produced countless Soviet heroes. Wasting human lives by Soviets meant nothing. No wonder that they have such huge losses including those killed by the barrier troops. To kill one German soldier it took on average 7 Soviet soldiers.

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    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov

    To kill one German soldier it took on average 7 Soviet soldiers.
     
    Oh come on! It is well known fact that it took up to a battalion of Russians to kill a single Wehrmacht soldier. In case of SS--usually between two and three infantry regiments and a tank company. Have you tried to apply for job in US Army Staff College in Leavenworth, KS? But, I would suggest a better position for your possible employment--Brookings Institution or, better yet, STRATFOR. LOL!
    , @Cyrano

    To kill one German soldier it took on average 7 Soviet soldiers.
     
    How did the Germans lose the war then? USSR population in 1941 was 170mil. vs. Germany's 70mil - which is 2 times and a half. Let's assume that their armies size was proportionate, which means that USSR would have needed a population of around 400 million in order to produce enough soldiers to defeat Germany at your ratio of effectiveness. You are a moron.
    , @L.K
    Utu: "To kill one German soldier it took on average 7 Soviet soldiers."

    Although you have been viciously attacked by the usual crowd of fools, liars and useful idiots, you are not that far from the facts.
    From the start of Barbarossa until 31 December 1944, the Germans suffered 885.000 KIA on the Eastern Front.
    Same period, Soviet official KIA were 5.568.000. I ain't including deaths by accidents, disease, i.e. non combat deaths.
    https://justpaste.it/Krivosheev
    If you throw in Germany's allied formations the ratio would change a bit but not that much. However, many historians have found that Soviet official figures are understated.
    US Colonel D.Glantz, often cited by people like smoothie, but only when it suits him and only as long as it serves his propaganda purposes, stated;

    "By 1942, after Leningrad and Moscow, Stalin and Marshal Georgi Zhukov think alike. They understand that even if you have to ruthlessly expend manpower, resistance will wear down a numerically weaker opponent. That tactic cost probably 14 million military dead—the price of defeating a more experienced, battle-worthy, savvy Wehrmacht."
     
    Which is to say Glantz has figured out that real Soviet losses were actually quite a bit higher than Krivosheev's figures, which, of course, are much higher already than that of the Germans.
    Glantz explains in appendix E of 'Zhukov's Greatest Defeat' that Krivosheev and his research team were doing the best they could but that the red army personnel accounting procedures were poor.
  108. Sanders is a space-case neo-marxist, an unread fool who dreams of converting the US into a version of the newest workers paradise south of the border namely Venezuela.
    His supporters consisted mainly of crazy leftist academics and mush-brained liberal arts students, all of whom fell for his SJ tripe of how terrible the oppressive, reactionary, capitalistic, racist, homophobic, mysogynist, xenophobic, US supposedly is.
    His wife is a millionaire.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” society member since 1973, airborne qualified “poor kid” US army vet and pro jazz artist.

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  109. utu says:

    “Russian chauvinists”

    They are in the hard spot. They still suffer from Soviet Stockholm syndrome. They ended up embracing Bolsheviks and Stalinists “achievements” and keep whitewashing most horrible Soviet crimes that were committed against the Russian nation. Unfortunately they did not go through true decommunization process and the perpetrators who had hectoliters of blood on their hands were never punished. Saker, if I am correct, hails from White Russians who did not have anything to do with the Soviet criminality but I suspect that some of the Russian chauvinists who comment here are descendants of criminals from NKVD and KGB. No signs of contrition, remorse, atonement for what has been done to millions of Russians and others. There is no forgiveness from others or God.

    “What are you to do?” she cried, jumping up, and her eyes that had been full of tears suddenly began to shine. “Stand up!” (She seized him by the shoulder, he got up, looking at her almost bewildered.) “Go at once, this very minute, stand at the cross-roads, bow down, first kiss the earth which you have defiled and then bow down to all the world and say to all men aloud, ‘I am a murderer!’ Then God will send you life again. Will you go, will you go?” she asked him, trembling all over, snatching his two hands, squeezing them tight in hers and gazing at him with eyes full of fire. Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

    They will have no life until they do it. Are there any Sonia Marmeladov left in Russia.

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    They ended up embracing Bolsheviks and Stalinists “achievements” and keep whitewashing most horrible Soviet crimes that were committed against the Russian nation.
     
    BS. Excesses of stalinism were first condemned by the Soviet government back in 1956. Long before the US government apologized for the genocide of Indians and the internment of Japanese Americans. Not to mention things like Hiroshima/Nagasaki and the Vietnam war that still haven't been officially condemned.

    Condemnations of stalinism then started anew in Russia in the late 1980s, endlessly and loudly repeated over and over through the 90s, 2000s, and still today.

    But none of that will satisfy you, obviously.

    Meanwhile, George Washington, "Devourer of Villages" is still a super-respected American statesman and luminary. Fine with me, but let's be consistent.

  110. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website
    @utu
    Barrier troops https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrier_troops

    On September 12, 1941, Joseph Stalin issued the Stavka Directive No. 1919 (Директива Ставки ВГК №001919) concerning the creation of barrier troops in rifle divisions of the Southwestern Front, to suppress panic retreats. Each Red Army division was to have an anti-retreat detachment equipped with transport totalling one company for each regiment. Their primary goal was to maintain strict military discipline and to prevent disintegration of the front line by any means, including the use of machine guns to indiscriminately shoot any personnel retreating without authorization.[6] These barrier troops were usually formed from ordinary military units, and placed under NKVD command.
     

    A report to Commissar General of State Security Lavrentiy Beria on October 10, 1941, noted that since the beginning of the war, NKVD anti-retreat troops had detained a total of 657,364 retreating or deserting personnel, of which 25,878 were arrested (of which 10,201 were sentenced to death by court martial) and the rest were returned to active duty. Most of those arrested were later returned to active duty as well.[7]
     
    This is how they produced countless Soviet heroes. Wasting human lives by Soviets meant nothing. No wonder that they have such huge losses including those killed by the barrier troops. To kill one German soldier it took on average 7 Soviet soldiers.

    To kill one German soldier it took on average 7 Soviet soldiers.

    Oh come on! It is well known fact that it took up to a battalion of Russians to kill a single Wehrmacht soldier. In case of SS–usually between two and three infantry regiments and a tank company. Have you tried to apply for job in US Army Staff College in Leavenworth, KS? But, I would suggest a better position for your possible employment–Brookings Institution or, better yet, STRATFOR. LOL!

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  111. Cyrano says:
    @utu
    Barrier troops https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrier_troops

    On September 12, 1941, Joseph Stalin issued the Stavka Directive No. 1919 (Директива Ставки ВГК №001919) concerning the creation of barrier troops in rifle divisions of the Southwestern Front, to suppress panic retreats. Each Red Army division was to have an anti-retreat detachment equipped with transport totalling one company for each regiment. Their primary goal was to maintain strict military discipline and to prevent disintegration of the front line by any means, including the use of machine guns to indiscriminately shoot any personnel retreating without authorization.[6] These barrier troops were usually formed from ordinary military units, and placed under NKVD command.
     

    A report to Commissar General of State Security Lavrentiy Beria on October 10, 1941, noted that since the beginning of the war, NKVD anti-retreat troops had detained a total of 657,364 retreating or deserting personnel, of which 25,878 were arrested (of which 10,201 were sentenced to death by court martial) and the rest were returned to active duty. Most of those arrested were later returned to active duty as well.[7]
     
    This is how they produced countless Soviet heroes. Wasting human lives by Soviets meant nothing. No wonder that they have such huge losses including those killed by the barrier troops. To kill one German soldier it took on average 7 Soviet soldiers.

    To kill one German soldier it took on average 7 Soviet soldiers.

    How did the Germans lose the war then? USSR population in 1941 was 170mil. vs. Germany’s 70mil – which is 2 times and a half. Let’s assume that their armies size was proportionate, which means that USSR would have needed a population of around 400 million in order to produce enough soldiers to defeat Germany at your ratio of effectiveness. You are a moron.

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    Germans lost the war because it was a...war and not a tournament of knights in shining armours parading their panaches to impress the ladies with their martial skills.
    Wars are bloody, usually extremely bloody affairs in which the goal is the destruction of the enemy. By definition they are affairs in which the rule of civilized behavior are suspended and replaced by martial law from time immemorial. Nobody would deny that Stalin executed deserters and traitors. But it was nothing unusual. The Germans did the same. Any state does the same. It is written in the laws of any state.
    The Germans did not learn anything from the past, their own past wars with Russia. The knights clad in shining armors have always been beaten by the pedestrians defending their land with pitchforks and scythes. The Germans started two wars against Russia against the better judgement of men like Clausewitz and Bismarck, in the belief that Russians would not fail to be impressed by the efficiency of the German 'Helden' and would graciously concede defeat. It did not come to pass and it won't in the future either.
    , @Mao Cheng Ji

    USSR population in 1941 was 170mil. vs. Germany’s 70mil – which is 2 times and a half.
     
    Not to mention Hungarian, Italians, Romanians and all other Europeans happily participating on the Nazi side. It wasn't really Germany, it was the previous version of the European Union. Just like during the Napoleon's invasion in 1812.
  112. Seraphim says:
    @Cyrano

    To kill one German soldier it took on average 7 Soviet soldiers.
     
    How did the Germans lose the war then? USSR population in 1941 was 170mil. vs. Germany's 70mil - which is 2 times and a half. Let's assume that their armies size was proportionate, which means that USSR would have needed a population of around 400 million in order to produce enough soldiers to defeat Germany at your ratio of effectiveness. You are a moron.

    Germans lost the war because it was a…war and not a tournament of knights in shining armours parading their panaches to impress the ladies with their martial skills.
    Wars are bloody, usually extremely bloody affairs in which the goal is the destruction of the enemy. By definition they are affairs in which the rule of civilized behavior are suspended and replaced by martial law from time immemorial. Nobody would deny that Stalin executed deserters and traitors. But it was nothing unusual. The Germans did the same. Any state does the same. It is written in the laws of any state.
    The Germans did not learn anything from the past, their own past wars with Russia. The knights clad in shining armors have always been beaten by the pedestrians defending their land with pitchforks and scythes. The Germans started two wars against Russia against the better judgement of men like Clausewitz and Bismarck, in the belief that Russians would not fail to be impressed by the efficiency of the German ‘Helden’ and would graciously concede defeat. It did not come to pass and it won’t in the future either.

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    In fairness to the German Army of World War I, it more or less defeated the Russian Army, which collapsed due to internal political divisions and economic hardship within Russia. Germany imposed the highly disadvantageous Treaty of Brest Litovsk on Russia, but it was short-lived with the German defeat in the West and the collapse of Austria-Hungary.

    It's still a bad idea to fight Russia, a lesson I hope American leaders have learned in 2017, but I fear that they have not.
  113. huey says:

    the best ever read about the us in general and the armes forces in special.
    when it started with “career soldiers” in the early eighties things went worse and most of the old “brown boot” soldies decided to leave. what was left were a big amount of the “kiss ass chickenshit”
    have no opinion,keep low profile and try to make rank. everybody has a spine but not necessary a backbone.

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  114. Terencio says:
    @Tom Welsh
    Well, not during WW2 to my knowledge! But since 1945, Britain has invented so many of the fundamental advances in computing - virtual memory, for example. But I'm not sure even I can blame all that on governmental shenanigans. It's undeniable that Britain is incredibly advanced in the art of bad, lousy, terrible, indescribably frightful management. We have lots of clever people who invent stuff, and then entrepreneurs abroad make masses of money out of them - and Britain buys them back from abroad.

    Like the fabulous story of the Leo computers. After 1945, Lyons - the tea shop chain - got together some of the Bletchley Park crew and others, and they threw together this mainframe computer, which was called Leo ("lion"). It did the accounts for Lyons, and they only needed the one - so they laid everyone off. Then various other companies came visiting and they were all thrilled by the computer, and several of them wanted one of their own. So each time the crew was reassembled and built another one-off. Somebody even asked if it might be a good idea to set up a factory and make the things to sell. You know, like for profit. But Lyons' management weren't interested. "We're in the tea and buns business," they said. "We don't know from computers".

    Presently some men in suits came along from some American company that made tabulators. They made lots of notes and went back home, and shortly after Lyons - together with most other British institutions - began relying on IBM computers.

    You really couldn't make it up.

    There is no mystery here guys. Discoveries mean nothing without the capital to take advantage of them. This is the classic steam shovel example. Let’s say a steam shovel uses the same iron as 1000 shovels, and does the same work as 10,000 men with shovels. Suppose I give a poor society the plans for a steam shovel. If they don’t have the money to build it, the 10:1 advantage in productivity is meaningless. That was Britain’s problem, lack of money available to invest, not bad management.
    Today we see the same issue with America. As we fritter away our wealth on useless losing wars, China advances in science, industry, and capital accumulation. Deep State assholes, enjoy your domination while it lasts.

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  115. […] Place the Empire on suicide watch, by The Saker […]

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  116. @Seraphim
    Germans lost the war because it was a...war and not a tournament of knights in shining armours parading their panaches to impress the ladies with their martial skills.
    Wars are bloody, usually extremely bloody affairs in which the goal is the destruction of the enemy. By definition they are affairs in which the rule of civilized behavior are suspended and replaced by martial law from time immemorial. Nobody would deny that Stalin executed deserters and traitors. But it was nothing unusual. The Germans did the same. Any state does the same. It is written in the laws of any state.
    The Germans did not learn anything from the past, their own past wars with Russia. The knights clad in shining armors have always been beaten by the pedestrians defending their land with pitchforks and scythes. The Germans started two wars against Russia against the better judgement of men like Clausewitz and Bismarck, in the belief that Russians would not fail to be impressed by the efficiency of the German 'Helden' and would graciously concede defeat. It did not come to pass and it won't in the future either.

    In fairness to the German Army of World War I, it more or less defeated the Russian Army, which collapsed due to internal political divisions and economic hardship within Russia. Germany imposed the highly disadvantageous Treaty of Brest Litovsk on Russia, but it was short-lived with the German defeat in the West and the collapse of Austria-Hungary.

    It’s still a bad idea to fight Russia, a lesson I hope American leaders have learned in 2017, but I fear that they have not.

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    Don’t you worry, America will never fight Russia, definitely never on their own - they know better. That’s why they put together an alliance of 28 mostly made of fools, whom they are in the process of convincing that Russia is their mortal enemy. They are the ones that are supposed to supply the cannon fodder, while the Americans sell them all the weapons that they can produce. It’s a match made in heaven, on one side you have fools with propensity for dying in large numbers – proven in two world wars and on the other people who know how to make money out of wars without getting their nose too bloodied.
    , @Seraphim
    In all fairness to the German Army, it was 'less'. The Russian Army was not defeated and it is doubtful that Germany could have pushed any further. It was the 'Revolution' induced by the Germans and downright treason that provoked the collapse. In less than a year from the apparent victory, Germany lost the war. It may sound strange, but it lost the war precisely because of her 'victory'. The revolutionary tide turned against Germany herself.
    In the second war not even the subversion behind the lines did operate. Russians learned from the experience of the first. And if the Americans think like Hitler they might be in for a very nasty outcome.
  117. Cyrano says:
    @Diversity Heretic
    In fairness to the German Army of World War I, it more or less defeated the Russian Army, which collapsed due to internal political divisions and economic hardship within Russia. Germany imposed the highly disadvantageous Treaty of Brest Litovsk on Russia, but it was short-lived with the German defeat in the West and the collapse of Austria-Hungary.

    It's still a bad idea to fight Russia, a lesson I hope American leaders have learned in 2017, but I fear that they have not.

    Don’t you worry, America will never fight Russia, definitely never on their own – they know better. That’s why they put together an alliance of 28 mostly made of fools, whom they are in the process of convincing that Russia is their mortal enemy. They are the ones that are supposed to supply the cannon fodder, while the Americans sell them all the weapons that they can produce. It’s a match made in heaven, on one side you have fools with propensity for dying in large numbers – proven in two world wars and on the other people who know how to make money out of wars without getting their nose too bloodied.

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  118. @Cyrano

    To kill one German soldier it took on average 7 Soviet soldiers.
     
    How did the Germans lose the war then? USSR population in 1941 was 170mil. vs. Germany's 70mil - which is 2 times and a half. Let's assume that their armies size was proportionate, which means that USSR would have needed a population of around 400 million in order to produce enough soldiers to defeat Germany at your ratio of effectiveness. You are a moron.

    USSR population in 1941 was 170mil. vs. Germany’s 70mil – which is 2 times and a half.

    Not to mention Hungarian, Italians, Romanians and all other Europeans happily participating on the Nazi side. It wasn’t really Germany, it was the previous version of the European Union. Just like during the Napoleon’s invasion in 1812.

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    Not to mention Hungarian, Italians, Romanians and all other Europeans happily participating on the Nazi side
     
    Those are more than balanced by the western front and the occupation of France, Poland, etc.
  119. @utu
    "Russian chauvinists"

    They are in the hard spot. They still suffer from Soviet Stockholm syndrome. They ended up embracing Bolsheviks and Stalinists "achievements" and keep whitewashing most horrible Soviet crimes that were committed against the Russian nation. Unfortunately they did not go through true decommunization process and the perpetrators who had hectoliters of blood on their hands were never punished. Saker, if I am correct, hails from White Russians who did not have anything to do with the Soviet criminality but I suspect that some of the Russian chauvinists who comment here are descendants of criminals from NKVD and KGB. No signs of contrition, remorse, atonement for what has been done to millions of Russians and others. There is no forgiveness from others or God.

    “What are you to do?” she cried, jumping up, and her eyes that had been full of tears suddenly began to shine. “Stand up!” (She seized him by the shoulder, he got up, looking at her almost bewildered.) “Go at once, this very minute, stand at the cross-roads, bow down, first kiss the earth which you have defiled and then bow down to all the world and say to all men aloud, ‘I am a murderer!’ Then God will send you life again. Will you go, will you go?” she asked him, trembling all over, snatching his two hands, squeezing them tight in hers and gazing at him with eyes full of fire. Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
     
    They will have no life until they do it. Are there any Sonia Marmeladov left in Russia.

    They ended up embracing Bolsheviks and Stalinists “achievements” and keep whitewashing most horrible Soviet crimes that were committed against the Russian nation.

    BS. Excesses of stalinism were first condemned by the Soviet government back in 1956. Long before the US government apologized for the genocide of Indians and the internment of Japanese Americans. Not to mention things like Hiroshima/Nagasaki and the Vietnam war that still haven’t been officially condemned.

    Condemnations of stalinism then started anew in Russia in the late 1980s, endlessly and loudly repeated over and over through the 90s, 2000s, and still today.

    But none of that will satisfy you, obviously.

    Meanwhile, George Washington, “Devourer of Villages” is still a super-respected American statesman and luminary. Fine with me, but let’s be consistent.

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    Do you often have trouble tracing pronouns to their antecedents?
    , @utu
    "Condemnations of stalinism then started anew in Russia in the late 1980s, endlessly and loudly repeated over and over through the 90s, 2000s, and still today.

    But none of that will satisfy you, obviously."

    You are right it does not satisfy me. It was not enough. And after the brief period of thaw in 1990's opposite trend of whitewashing Soviet crimes began. Commenters like Smoothie, Lyttenburgh and Israel Shamir here at unz.com represent this trend of neo-stalinist rehabilitation and whitewashing.

    I have o problem of talking about hidden and unacknowledged ugly history of the US. But pointing to it when we talk about Soviet Union is rather primitive eristic: Your mama is ugly. But, your sister is a slut.

  120. Seraphim says:
    @Diversity Heretic
    In fairness to the German Army of World War I, it more or less defeated the Russian Army, which collapsed due to internal political divisions and economic hardship within Russia. Germany imposed the highly disadvantageous Treaty of Brest Litovsk on Russia, but it was short-lived with the German defeat in the West and the collapse of Austria-Hungary.

    It's still a bad idea to fight Russia, a lesson I hope American leaders have learned in 2017, but I fear that they have not.

    In all fairness to the German Army, it was ‘less’. The Russian Army was not defeated and it is doubtful that Germany could have pushed any further. It was the ‘Revolution’ induced by the Germans and downright treason that provoked the collapse. In less than a year from the apparent victory, Germany lost the war. It may sound strange, but it lost the war precisely because of her ‘victory’. The revolutionary tide turned against Germany herself.
    In the second war not even the subversion behind the lines did operate. Russians learned from the experience of the first. And if the Americans think like Hitler they might be in for a very nasty outcome.

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  121. @Cyrano
    You are right man. Russians are basically cowards who had no love for their country or their families and can be only made to fight under a threat of immediate execution. With such brilliant insights into history you should teach the subject at some prestigious institution or be institutionalized - one of the two.

    Alden is correct and you’re a preening idiot who posts stupidity because you have no way to refute him.

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    Who asked you for an opinion, you moron. I am not interested in anything you have to say.
  122. @Authenticjazzman
    " Morons like Putin".

    Yeah a moron who speaks several languages fluently, plays competent classical piano, holds a PhD, and last but not least manages to keep cool in spite of the incessant rage directed at him by the SJM media and leftist loonies, who are foaming at the mouth because of his refusal to red carpet gays, and his absolute rejection of communism.
    A moron who maintains an 80% approval rating amongst his tried citizens, and who recognizes the inherent goodness and wisdom manifest within DT.

    You my friend are the moron in this constellation, and it would behoove you to pull your head out of the marxist trap and to wake yourself up.

    Authenticjazzman " Mensa" society member since 1973, airborne qualified " poor kid" US army vet , and pro jazz artist.

    Yeah a moron who speaks several languages fluently, plays competent classical piano, holds a PhD, and last but not least manages to keep cool in spite of the incessant rage directed at him by the SJM media and leftist loonies, who are foaming at the mouth because of his refusal to red carpet gays, and his absolute rejection of communism.

    A moron who maintains an 80% approval rating amongst his tried citizens, and who recognizes the inherent goodness and wisdom manifest within DT.

    None of which is the least bit relevant.

    Putin has just about burned through his reserves, leaving only the welfare fund, from which pensions are paid. Only about one third of pensions are being paid at the moment.

    You need to look a bit deeper at that ‘approval rating.” The source of that bit of fake news is Putin’s propaganda organs. Putin is a moron because he has refused the learn the lessons of history, and he is dragging Russia into the pit with him, just as Hitler did Germany.

    The list of your “credentials” at the end is an embarrassment to you. The only thing it gets you is an understanding that the time you became a “dirt dart” rattled your brain and has prevented you from absorbing much of anything since.

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    " The list of your credentials at the end is an embarrassment to you"

    Says who? Do you set the parameters for all human behavior or expression"

    Just who are you other than an biased internet voice who speaks only for him/herself.

    Others here see through your nonsense, and I really do not care about your unqualified opinion of myself.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member since 1973, airborne qualified US army vet , and pro jazz artist.
  123. @bluedog
    You know responding to the Quartermaster is like trying to teach a pig to sing you can't and will only annoy the pig..

    Quite to the contrary there Blue. If he had anything intelligent to say I’d listen and consider it. But, much like you, he is simply a preening fool who is often wrong, but never uncertain.

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  124. ICFUBAR says:

    In psychoanalytic terms suicide and murder live next to one another. Perhaps there also needs to be a watch for murderous intent. In a normal society those that pose a danger to themselves or others are often committed or at least have any weaponry that could facilitate murder removed, only in this case we are talking murder on a mass genocidal scale. So much for a normal humanitarian international society. On the empire goes ” rollin’ and tumblin’. I cried the whole night long, and when I woke up this morning did not know right from wrong”…old blues tune.

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  125. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @pogohere
    Who says. . .?

    FWIW:

    U.S. Agencies See No Move by Iran to Build a Bomb

    2-24-12

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/25/world/middleeast/us-agencies-see-no-move-by-iran-to-build-a-bomb.html

    Israeli Intelligence Agrees With U.S. And IAEA That Iran Has Not Decided On Nuke Weapons

    3-19-12

    https://thinkprogress.org/israeli-intelligence-agrees-with-u-s-and-iaea-that-iran-has-not-decided-on-nuke-weapons-7f70ccb7ae59#.qe6fwljuq

    Clearly, you did not read my comment. The comment states that I ran could buy nukes possibly from North Korea or elsewhere. They don’t even have to bring them into Iran they could have some other place where they are stashing them.

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  126. @Quartermaster

    Yeah a moron who speaks several languages fluently, plays competent classical piano, holds a PhD, and last but not least manages to keep cool in spite of the incessant rage directed at him by the SJM media and leftist loonies, who are foaming at the mouth because of his refusal to red carpet gays, and his absolute rejection of communism.

    A moron who maintains an 80% approval rating amongst his tried citizens, and who recognizes the inherent goodness and wisdom manifest within DT.
     
    None of which is the least bit relevant.

    Putin has just about burned through his reserves, leaving only the welfare fund, from which pensions are paid. Only about one third of pensions are being paid at the moment.

    You need to look a bit deeper at that 'approval rating." The source of that bit of fake news is Putin's propaganda organs. Putin is a moron because he has refused the learn the lessons of history, and he is dragging Russia into the pit with him, just as Hitler did Germany.

    The list of your "credentials" at the end is an embarrassment to you. The only thing it gets you is an understanding that the time you became a "dirt dart" rattled your brain and has prevented you from absorbing much of anything since.

    ” The list of your credentials at the end is an embarrassment to you”

    Says who? Do you set the parameters for all human behavior or expression”

    Just who are you other than an biased internet voice who speaks only for him/herself.

    Others here see through your nonsense, and I really do not care about your unqualified opinion of myself.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” society member since 1973, airborne qualified US army vet , and pro jazz artist.

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    I don't know about embarrassing but it is damned annoying.

    Anonymous SSc BSc Ph.D MD OBE member of sigma V for 30 years, former SAS special operations, multilingual polyglot, 10th dan aikido practitioner, movie star, billionaire philanthropist.
  127. Cyrano says:
    @Quartermaster
    Alden is correct and you're a preening idiot who posts stupidity because you have no way to refute him.

    Who asked you for an opinion, you moron. I am not interested in anything you have to say.

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  128. Che Guava says:
    @george strong
    Always remember, MPAI (Most People Are Idiots), as proven by dopes who volunteered to fight for Obama.

    I am not a USA person, but am agreeing that MPAI.

    Surprisingly many also are not.

    dopes who volunteered to fight for Obama.

    In what sense do you mean ‘fight for’? Sincerely curious.

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  129. Che Guava says:
    @bluedog
    Oh hell nothing strange about that for back during our own Revolution they stationed men behind the front line to shoot anyone who broke and ran,and talk about piling up bodies you really ought to read about our so call Civil War,Grant wasen't nicknamed butcher Grant for nothing as he piled up the dead bodies of his northern troops..

    Bluedog, I meant to comment on the northern army’s tactics there in the American War of Northern Aggression, but it is not unique,

    British officers did it to British soldiers in WWI, Chinese and Japanese officers did it to their respective soldiers at times in our invasion, there must be many other examples, even if I am to check my own memory of read history, can produce more examples.

    What was unique on the USSR front was, at least until Stalingrad, the political comissars who had the right to, or commanded units to, shoot retreating soldiers were almost universally Jewish, so alien from the soldiers, even from the high-ranking officers.

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  130. AP says:
    @Mao Cheng Ji

    USSR population in 1941 was 170mil. vs. Germany’s 70mil – which is 2 times and a half.
     
    Not to mention Hungarian, Italians, Romanians and all other Europeans happily participating on the Nazi side. It wasn't really Germany, it was the previous version of the European Union. Just like during the Napoleon's invasion in 1812.

    Not to mention Hungarian, Italians, Romanians and all other Europeans happily participating on the Nazi side

    Those are more than balanced by the western front and the occupation of France, Poland, etc.

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  131. utu says:

    “What was unique on the USSR front was, at least until Stalingrad, the political comissars who had the right to, or commanded units to, shoot retreating soldiers were almost universally Jewish, so alien from the soldiers, even from the high-ranking officers.”

    This might be true because Jews were overrepresented in security apparatus of Soviet Union still during the WWII. However it would be hard to prove it directly unless somebody would do the studies of the barrier troops.

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    • Replies: @L.K
    I doubt this to be true, due to the fact that after the big purges of the 1930s, the huge Jewish overrepresentation in the security apparatus of the Soviet Union had been substantially reduced.
    NKVD records reflect this reduction. By the late 30s the Jews were only moderately overrepresented Vis-à-vis their share of the population.
  132. gustafus says:
    @Tha Philosopher
    You're right the Trump doesn't have a reptilian type brain like our neocons friends to round them up and execute them. Its hard if he doesn't do that. Because they will kill him first if he doesn't. At the top of most social systems with much power, psychopaths rule because they have no qualms.

    Total agreement. Trump needs to take out the pedophile network that has been controlling D.C and the intel agencies. He needs to take down enemies. Graham and McCain would be a terrific show of power and retribution necessary to whip his adversaries into shape.

    Hastert was speaker because he was a pedophile, not in spite of it. Recruitment for power slots always included debauchery for blackmail. But the degree of deviancy has changed to where only cannibals and pedophiles need apply.

    First it was adultery, then homosexuality… now it’s morphed into pedophilia… and probably cannibalism.

    No, John Wayne and Jimmy Stewart are not on offer in local elections. The reaction to Trump speaks volumes about just how depraved the hierarchy truly is.

    THEY KNOW HE KNOWS….. but if he spends that capital wisely… he might accomplish great things.

    But I still think he needs to go nuclear on the pedophiles.

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  133. L.K says:
    @utu
    Barrier troops https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrier_troops

    On September 12, 1941, Joseph Stalin issued the Stavka Directive No. 1919 (Директива Ставки ВГК №001919) concerning the creation of barrier troops in rifle divisions of the Southwestern Front, to suppress panic retreats. Each Red Army division was to have an anti-retreat detachment equipped with transport totalling one company for each regiment. Their primary goal was to maintain strict military discipline and to prevent disintegration of the front line by any means, including the use of machine guns to indiscriminately shoot any personnel retreating without authorization.[6] These barrier troops were usually formed from ordinary military units, and placed under NKVD command.
     

    A report to Commissar General of State Security Lavrentiy Beria on October 10, 1941, noted that since the beginning of the war, NKVD anti-retreat troops had detained a total of 657,364 retreating or deserting personnel, of which 25,878 were arrested (of which 10,201 were sentenced to death by court martial) and the rest were returned to active duty. Most of those arrested were later returned to active duty as well.[7]
     
    This is how they produced countless Soviet heroes. Wasting human lives by Soviets meant nothing. No wonder that they have such huge losses including those killed by the barrier troops. To kill one German soldier it took on average 7 Soviet soldiers.

    Utu: “To kill one German soldier it took on average 7 Soviet soldiers.”

    Although you have been viciously attacked by the usual crowd of fools, liars and useful idiots, you are not that far from the facts.
    From the start of Barbarossa until 31 December 1944, the Germans suffered 885.000 KIA on the Eastern Front.
    Same period, Soviet official KIA were 5.568.000. I ain’t including deaths by accidents, disease, i.e. non combat deaths.

    https://justpaste.it/Krivosheev

    If you throw in Germany’s allied formations the ratio would change a bit but not that much. However, many historians have found that Soviet official figures are understated.
    US Colonel D.Glantz, often cited by people like smoothie, but only when it suits him and only as long as it serves his propaganda purposes, stated;

    “By 1942, after Leningrad and Moscow, Stalin and Marshal Georgi Zhukov think alike. They understand that even if you have to ruthlessly expend manpower, resistance will wear down a numerically weaker opponent. That tactic cost probably 14 million military dead—the price of defeating a more experienced, battle-worthy, savvy Wehrmacht.”

    Which is to say Glantz has figured out that real Soviet losses were actually quite a bit higher than Krivosheev’s figures, which, of course, are much higher already than that of the Germans.
    Glantz explains in appendix E of ‘Zhukov’s Greatest Defeat’ that Krivosheev and his research team were doing the best they could but that the red army personnel accounting procedures were poor.

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    From the start of Barbarossa until 31 December 1944, the Germans suffered 885.000 KIA on the Eastern Front.
     
    Hey, loser. What about this?

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-62vkztIGsDI/VjFUwEUAzVI/AAAAAAAAANQ/CGgMxmTdjFI/s1600/Glantz-House_1.jpg

    Go back to your mom's basement and start reading same Glantz, his 2015 edition of When Titans Clashed.


    If you throw in Germany’s allied formations the ratio would change a bit but not that much.
     
    Sure, 1.75 million more, 1.75 million less-nah, pocket change.

    but that the red army personnel accounting procedures were poor.
     
    Yeh, sure, that is why I have do0cuments on one of my grandfathers' death (pokhoronka) with the letter by Zampolit (this is 1941), other grandfather's MIA documents are with my father's relatives. Dude, just go away--get a girl, read a book on statistics, get a life but please, but do not tell a former cadre Soviet officer how Stroevye Otdely (Personnel Departments) worked in the Soviet Armed Forces. I am writing this not for you--you are a terminal case of fanboy--for those who read this. Wehrmacht's "statistics" is legendary for huge falsifications. Live with it. As I told you, it is fun to humiliate you and I will continue to do so until you at least give more or less accurate description of your incognito self to figure out if you are some Hasbara troll or some depressed German who still cannot reconcile himself with the fact that Nazi Germany got its ass handed to it in 1945. So, do you want to continue?
    , @Mao Cheng Ji

    until 31 December 1944
     
    What's so special about 31 December 1944? And your accounting is way off anyway.

    If this sort of thing is important to you: according to Russian language wikipedia,

    6.3m Soviet soldiers were killed (not counting PoWs) in the great patriotic war.
    3.6m German soldiers, and
    0.7m of Nazi allies (Hungary, Italy, Romania, Slovakia, Finland, Croatia, Bulgaria, the Spanish division, the French Legion, Danish and Norwegian units, etc.)
    , @L.K
    I should correct one mistake I made; The Soviet figure I gave includes soldiers who died of wounds at hospitals while the German figure does not.
    For those who are interested, subtract those under the column 'died in hospital of wounds '.
    https://justpaste.it/Krivosheev
    Those could then be added to the wia.
  134. L.K says:
    @utu
    "What was unique on the USSR front was, at least until Stalingrad, the political comissars who had the right to, or commanded units to, shoot retreating soldiers were almost universally Jewish, so alien from the soldiers, even from the high-ranking officers."

    This might be true because Jews were overrepresented in security apparatus of Soviet Union still during the WWII. However it would be hard to prove it directly unless somebody would do the studies of the barrier troops.

    I doubt this to be true, due to the fact that after the big purges of the 1930s, the huge Jewish overrepresentation in the security apparatus of the Soviet Union had been substantially reduced.
    NKVD records reflect this reduction. By the late 30s the Jews were only moderately overrepresented Vis-à-vis their share of the population.

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    Was Jewish overrepresentation reduced in security apparatus because of 1930's purges before WWII? I do not think so. Yagoda was replaced Yezhov and so what? Anyway it's sill safe to assume that the core of the mean ant-Soviet/Russian joke is true:

    - What was behind the famed selfless heroism of Red Army soldiers?
    - A Jewish NKVD officer with a drawn pistol.
  135. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website
    @L.K
    Utu: "To kill one German soldier it took on average 7 Soviet soldiers."

    Although you have been viciously attacked by the usual crowd of fools, liars and useful idiots, you are not that far from the facts.
    From the start of Barbarossa until 31 December 1944, the Germans suffered 885.000 KIA on the Eastern Front.
    Same period, Soviet official KIA were 5.568.000. I ain't including deaths by accidents, disease, i.e. non combat deaths.
    https://justpaste.it/Krivosheev
    If you throw in Germany's allied formations the ratio would change a bit but not that much. However, many historians have found that Soviet official figures are understated.
    US Colonel D.Glantz, often cited by people like smoothie, but only when it suits him and only as long as it serves his propaganda purposes, stated;

    "By 1942, after Leningrad and Moscow, Stalin and Marshal Georgi Zhukov think alike. They understand that even if you have to ruthlessly expend manpower, resistance will wear down a numerically weaker opponent. That tactic cost probably 14 million military dead—the price of defeating a more experienced, battle-worthy, savvy Wehrmacht."
     
    Which is to say Glantz has figured out that real Soviet losses were actually quite a bit higher than Krivosheev's figures, which, of course, are much higher already than that of the Germans.
    Glantz explains in appendix E of 'Zhukov's Greatest Defeat' that Krivosheev and his research team were doing the best they could but that the red army personnel accounting procedures were poor.

    From the start of Barbarossa until 31 December 1944, the Germans suffered 885.000 KIA on the Eastern Front.

    Hey, loser. What about this?

    Go back to your mom’s basement and start reading same Glantz, his 2015 edition of When Titans Clashed.

    If you throw in Germany’s allied formations the ratio would change a bit but not that much.

    Sure, 1.75 million more, 1.75 million less-nah, pocket change.

    but that the red army personnel accounting procedures were poor.

    Yeh, sure, that is why I have do0cuments on one of my grandfathers’ death (pokhoronka) with the letter by Zampolit (this is 1941), other grandfather’s MIA documents are with my father’s relatives. Dude, just go away–get a girl, read a book on statistics, get a life but please, but do not tell a former cadre Soviet officer how Stroevye Otdely (Personnel Departments) worked in the Soviet Armed Forces. I am writing this not for you–you are a terminal case of fanboy–for those who read this. Wehrmacht’s “statistics” is legendary for huge falsifications. Live with it. As I told you, it is fun to humiliate you and I will continue to do so until you at least give more or less accurate description of your incognito self to figure out if you are some Hasbara troll or some depressed German who still cannot reconcile himself with the fact that Nazi Germany got its ass handed to it in 1945. So, do you want to continue?

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    Ha ha, you are so predictable, smoothie! I knew you would go ballistic over this again, but the facts are the facts.
    Smoothie, a sad stalinist pig, hysteric and proven liar goes: "Wehrmacht’s “statistics” is legendary for huge falsifications."

    That is an idiotic LIE and you know it, but lying comes naturally to you, as does breathing for most of the rest of us. In fact, it is the opposite, Wehrmacht’s records are known to be very accurate.
    Red Army records, on the other hand, not so much...

    If you don't like it boy, go complain with Glantz, given that this is what the man himself has stated... should I give you the page on Glantz book as well? p.379. Anyone who wishes to can check for themselves.
    Glantz writes

    "given the poor state of red army personnel accounting procedures, Krivosheev and his team of researchers are doing yeomanly research in ferreting out the truth. It is a lengthy, time-consuming and often frustrating process that may never be complete."
     
    Then again, there is this quote here by Colonel D.Glantz, that always has you MUTE with anger. You have NEVER addressed it - how could you? - and it puts a smile on my face everytime.

    "By 1942, after Leningrad and Moscow, Stalin and Marshal Georgi Zhukov think alike. They understand that even if you have to ruthlessly expend manpower, resistance will wear down a numerically weaker opponent. That tactic cost probably 14 million military dead—the price of defeating a more experienced, battle-worthy, savvy Wehrmacht."
     
    Have you at least come to terms with how vital the lend-lease program was for the Soviets to keep fighting, or are we still in denial about that as well?
    Marshal Zhukov recognized this as far back as the early 60s and new research by Russian historians have confirmed it:

    "...Today(1963) some say the Allies did not help us...
    But, listen, one cannot deny that the Americans shipped over to us material without which we could not have equipped our armies held in reserve or been able to continue the war...
    We did not have enough munitions, how would we have been able to turn out all those tanks without the rolled steel sent to us by the Americans?"

     

    Finally, let me tell ya a secret boy... take my hand so you don't fall flat on your lying stalinist pig face... one can fight better and still lose a war... like the Finns outfought the red army but lost in the end. Big secret, eh?
  136. @L.K
    Utu: "To kill one German soldier it took on average 7 Soviet soldiers."

    Although you have been viciously attacked by the usual crowd of fools, liars and useful idiots, you are not that far from the facts.
    From the start of Barbarossa until 31 December 1944, the Germans suffered 885.000 KIA on the Eastern Front.
    Same period, Soviet official KIA were 5.568.000. I ain't including deaths by accidents, disease, i.e. non combat deaths.
    https://justpaste.it/Krivosheev
    If you throw in Germany's allied formations the ratio would change a bit but not that much. However, many historians have found that Soviet official figures are understated.
    US Colonel D.Glantz, often cited by people like smoothie, but only when it suits him and only as long as it serves his propaganda purposes, stated;

    "By 1942, after Leningrad and Moscow, Stalin and Marshal Georgi Zhukov think alike. They understand that even if you have to ruthlessly expend manpower, resistance will wear down a numerically weaker opponent. That tactic cost probably 14 million military dead—the price of defeating a more experienced, battle-worthy, savvy Wehrmacht."
     
    Which is to say Glantz has figured out that real Soviet losses were actually quite a bit higher than Krivosheev's figures, which, of course, are much higher already than that of the Germans.
    Glantz explains in appendix E of 'Zhukov's Greatest Defeat' that Krivosheev and his research team were doing the best they could but that the red army personnel accounting procedures were poor.

    until 31 December 1944

    What’s so special about 31 December 1944? And your accounting is way off anyway.

    If this sort of thing is important to you: according to Russian language wikipedia,

    6.3m Soviet soldiers were killed (not counting PoWs) in the great patriotic war.
    3.6m German soldiers, and
    0.7m of Nazi allies (Hungary, Italy, Romania, Slovakia, Finland, Croatia, Bulgaria, the Spanish division, the French Legion, Danish and Norwegian units, etc.)

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    You are completely out of your depth on the subject and it shows, as you have felt necessary to use , of all sources, wikipedia. That makes you a fool, and I'm being nice.
    FYI, dummy, no 3.6 million German soldiers were KIA during the war, not even close.
    But a lot of German soldiers died in captivity, including after the war was already over.
    That is the reason for the big number.
    Also, obviously a lot of Germans who were kia perished at other fronts too, not exclusively on the Eastern Front.
    My 'accounting' is accurate, as I have compared similar things(kia) over a similar period of time, on the same front.
    Learn to walk b4 u try to run.
  137. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Mao Cheng Ji

    They ended up embracing Bolsheviks and Stalinists “achievements” and keep whitewashing most horrible Soviet crimes that were committed against the Russian nation.
     
    BS. Excesses of stalinism were first condemned by the Soviet government back in 1956. Long before the US government apologized for the genocide of Indians and the internment of Japanese Americans. Not to mention things like Hiroshima/Nagasaki and the Vietnam war that still haven't been officially condemned.

    Condemnations of stalinism then started anew in Russia in the late 1980s, endlessly and loudly repeated over and over through the 90s, 2000s, and still today.

    But none of that will satisfy you, obviously.

    Meanwhile, George Washington, "Devourer of Villages" is still a super-respected American statesman and luminary. Fine with me, but let's be consistent.

    Do you often have trouble tracing pronouns to their antecedents?

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  138. L.K says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    From the start of Barbarossa until 31 December 1944, the Germans suffered 885.000 KIA on the Eastern Front.
     
    Hey, loser. What about this?

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-62vkztIGsDI/VjFUwEUAzVI/AAAAAAAAANQ/CGgMxmTdjFI/s1600/Glantz-House_1.jpg

    Go back to your mom's basement and start reading same Glantz, his 2015 edition of When Titans Clashed.


    If you throw in Germany’s allied formations the ratio would change a bit but not that much.
     
    Sure, 1.75 million more, 1.75 million less-nah, pocket change.

    but that the red army personnel accounting procedures were poor.
     
    Yeh, sure, that is why I have do0cuments on one of my grandfathers' death (pokhoronka) with the letter by Zampolit (this is 1941), other grandfather's MIA documents are with my father's relatives. Dude, just go away--get a girl, read a book on statistics, get a life but please, but do not tell a former cadre Soviet officer how Stroevye Otdely (Personnel Departments) worked in the Soviet Armed Forces. I am writing this not for you--you are a terminal case of fanboy--for those who read this. Wehrmacht's "statistics" is legendary for huge falsifications. Live with it. As I told you, it is fun to humiliate you and I will continue to do so until you at least give more or less accurate description of your incognito self to figure out if you are some Hasbara troll or some depressed German who still cannot reconcile himself with the fact that Nazi Germany got its ass handed to it in 1945. So, do you want to continue?

    Ha ha, you are so predictable, smoothie! I knew you would go ballistic over this again, but the facts are the facts.
    Smoothie, a sad stalinist pig, hysteric and proven liar goes: “Wehrmacht’s “statistics” is legendary for huge falsifications.”

    That is an idiotic LIE and you know it, but lying comes naturally to you, as does breathing for most of the rest of us. In fact, it is the opposite, Wehrmacht’s records are known to be very accurate.
    Red Army records, on the other hand, not so much…

    If you don’t like it boy, go complain with Glantz, given that this is what the man himself has stated… should I give you the page on Glantz book as well? p.379. Anyone who wishes to can check for themselves.
    Glantz writes

    “given the poor state of red army personnel accounting procedures, Krivosheev and his team of researchers are doing yeomanly research in ferreting out the truth. It is a lengthy, time-consuming and often frustrating process that may never be complete.”

    Then again, there is this quote here by Colonel D.Glantz, that always has you MUTE with anger. You have NEVER addressed it – how could you? – and it puts a smile on my face everytime.

    “By 1942, after Leningrad and Moscow, Stalin and Marshal Georgi Zhukov think alike. They understand that even if you have to ruthlessly expend manpower, resistance will wear down a numerically weaker opponent. That tactic cost probably 14 million military dead—the price of defeating a more experienced, battle-worthy, savvy Wehrmacht.”

    Have you at least come to terms with how vital the lend-lease program was for the Soviets to keep fighting, or are we still in denial about that as well?
    Marshal Zhukov recognized this as far back as the early 60s and new research by Russian historians have confirmed it:

    “…Today(1963) some say the Allies did not help us…
    But, listen, one cannot deny that the Americans shipped over to us material without which we could not have equipped our armies held in reserve or been able to continue the war…
    We did not have enough munitions, how would we have been able to turn out all those tanks without the rolled steel sent to us by the Americans?”

    Finally, let me tell ya a secret boy… take my hand so you don’t fall flat on your lying stalinist pig face… one can fight better and still lose a war… like the Finns outfought the red army but lost in the end. Big secret, eh?

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    but the facts are the facts.
     
    So, 885 000 Wehrmacht KIA is a "fact"? Allrighty then. No response to the document I presented. So, your sources?

    Smoothie, a sad stalinist pig, hysteric and proven liar goes
     
    Hey, I am all that--it is fine with me, but tell me one thing how is that I am:

    tell ya a secret boy
     
    My first and second names are known, I don't make much secret (in a common sense persec framework--f.e. I am not advertising my address or SSN) of anything to call me a "secret boy". Very little secret about me insofar as the public domain goes. You, my "comrade", on the other hand is a completely different thing--obviously you are very badly educated (especially in basic math, forget calculus) and you are desperately trying to cover your nationality/ethnicity which points towards some certain domains of interest. You do reek (in your manners) of some specific type. So, until you reveal at least some basic details of your background, the only thing I may assume you are Hasbara, apart from being a loser and a coward. In the end, I didn't "pull your tongue" to post BS here. But please continue, it is rather fascinating to observe such a hysterical type as you. I will continue too;-))
    , @Cyrano
    Hey bud, let me level with you. You can’t fight “better” and lose a war. The Germans knew what they were getting into, it’s not like Russians tricked them into believing that there were less of them and then unfairly won the war based on superior numbers of which the Germans didn’t know beforehand. Despite the odds the Germans thought they were better – they were not. End of story.

    Another topic – Do you think Americans think they can do better? I don’t believe that they believe this. The supposed best army in the universe wouldn’t need another 27 allies to confront Russia if they had such confidence in their capabilities.

    You know what Khrushchev – who has to be my favorite Ukrainian of all times – said to the Americans? “Don’t threaten us, because we’re going to hit you so hard, you’re going to forget your own name”.
  139. L.K says:
    @Mao Cheng Ji

    until 31 December 1944
     
    What's so special about 31 December 1944? And your accounting is way off anyway.

    If this sort of thing is important to you: according to Russian language wikipedia,

    6.3m Soviet soldiers were killed (not counting PoWs) in the great patriotic war.
    3.6m German soldiers, and
    0.7m of Nazi allies (Hungary, Italy, Romania, Slovakia, Finland, Croatia, Bulgaria, the Spanish division, the French Legion, Danish and Norwegian units, etc.)

    You are completely out of your depth on the subject and it shows, as you have felt necessary to use , of all sources, wikipedia. That makes you a fool, and I’m being nice.
    FYI, dummy, no 3.6 million German soldiers were KIA during the war, not even close.
    But a lot of German soldiers died in captivity, including after the war was already over.
    That is the reason for the big number.
    Also, obviously a lot of Germans who were kia perished at other fronts too, not exclusively on the Eastern Front.
    My ‘accounting’ is accurate, as I have compared similar things(kia) over a similar period of time, on the same front.
    Learn to walk b4 u try to run.

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    Learn to walk b4 u try to run.
     
    Hey, moron, read Glantz's essay specifically dedicated to losses. You can easily download PDF from here:

    http://sti.clemson.edu/component/search/?searchword=Glantz&ordering=&searchphrase=all

    Total Wehrmacht's Eastern Front: KIA: 3,888,000
    POW: 3.035,700

    Total number of all Wehrmacht casualties on Eastern Front: 10, 758,000

    Just go, ubeyisya ob stenu;-)

    , @Mao Cheng Ji

    I’m being nice.
     
    You are, indeed. Thanks a bunch, dear fella; you're a real peach, I tell ya.

    According to Russian wikipedia (quoting Grigori Krivosheev):
    3.6m German soldiers were killed, plus
    3.5m German soldiers were taken prisoners, and 0.44m of those died.

    This is pretty much in agreement with Rüdiger Overmans, who puts the total number of Germans killed on all fronts at 5.3m.
  140. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website
    @L.K
    Ha ha, you are so predictable, smoothie! I knew you would go ballistic over this again, but the facts are the facts.
    Smoothie, a sad stalinist pig, hysteric and proven liar goes: "Wehrmacht’s “statistics” is legendary for huge falsifications."

    That is an idiotic LIE and you know it, but lying comes naturally to you, as does breathing for most of the rest of us. In fact, it is the opposite, Wehrmacht’s records are known to be very accurate.
    Red Army records, on the other hand, not so much...

    If you don't like it boy, go complain with Glantz, given that this is what the man himself has stated... should I give you the page on Glantz book as well? p.379. Anyone who wishes to can check for themselves.
    Glantz writes

    "given the poor state of red army personnel accounting procedures, Krivosheev and his team of researchers are doing yeomanly research in ferreting out the truth. It is a lengthy, time-consuming and often frustrating process that may never be complete."
     
    Then again, there is this quote here by Colonel D.Glantz, that always has you MUTE with anger. You have NEVER addressed it - how could you? - and it puts a smile on my face everytime.

    "By 1942, after Leningrad and Moscow, Stalin and Marshal Georgi Zhukov think alike. They understand that even if you have to ruthlessly expend manpower, resistance will wear down a numerically weaker opponent. That tactic cost probably 14 million military dead—the price of defeating a more experienced, battle-worthy, savvy Wehrmacht."
     
    Have you at least come to terms with how vital the lend-lease program was for the Soviets to keep fighting, or are we still in denial about that as well?
    Marshal Zhukov recognized this as far back as the early 60s and new research by Russian historians have confirmed it:

    "...Today(1963) some say the Allies did not help us...
    But, listen, one cannot deny that the Americans shipped over to us material without which we could not have equipped our armies held in reserve or been able to continue the war...
    We did not have enough munitions, how would we have been able to turn out all those tanks without the rolled steel sent to us by the Americans?"

     

    Finally, let me tell ya a secret boy... take my hand so you don't fall flat on your lying stalinist pig face... one can fight better and still lose a war... like the Finns outfought the red army but lost in the end. Big secret, eh?

    but the facts are the facts.

    So, 885 000 Wehrmacht KIA is a “fact”? Allrighty then. No response to the document I presented. So, your sources?

    Smoothie, a sad stalinist pig, hysteric and proven liar goes

    Hey, I am all that–it is fine with me, but tell me one thing how is that I am:

    tell ya a secret boy

    My first and second names are known, I don’t make much secret (in a common sense persec framework–f.e. I am not advertising my address or SSN) of anything to call me a “secret boy”. Very little secret about me insofar as the public domain goes. You, my “comrade”, on the other hand is a completely different thing–obviously you are very badly educated (especially in basic math, forget calculus) and you are desperately trying to cover your nationality/ethnicity which points towards some certain domains of interest. You do reek (in your manners) of some specific type. So, until you reveal at least some basic details of your background, the only thing I may assume you are Hasbara, apart from being a loser and a coward. In the end, I didn’t “pull your tongue” to post BS here. But please continue, it is rather fascinating to observe such a hysterical type as you. I will continue too;-))

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  141. @Jean de Peyrelongue
    It is always very sad to see a country going to commit suicide but Europe did it in 1914.
    Just before the war, the French president went to St.Petersburg and after a Russia military parade, he said: At Christmas, we will be in Berlin.
    In 1939, the French army was supposed to be the strongest in Europe. So the ability to fool oneself is not unusual.
    In both cases , the US bankers made huge profit, but this time, they might loose everything and they might be tempted to take with them the whole world.

    Great comment.

    …the French president went to St.Petersburg and after a Russia military parade, he said: At Christmas, we will be in Berlin.

    Sounds like very interesting and true quote. I tried Googling it but was unable to find a source. Is there any chance you could provide such?

    Thaniks.

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  142. Cyrano says:
    @L.K
    Ha ha, you are so predictable, smoothie! I knew you would go ballistic over this again, but the facts are the facts.
    Smoothie, a sad stalinist pig, hysteric and proven liar goes: "Wehrmacht’s “statistics” is legendary for huge falsifications."

    That is an idiotic LIE and you know it, but lying comes naturally to you, as does breathing for most of the rest of us. In fact, it is the opposite, Wehrmacht’s records are known to be very accurate.
    Red Army records, on the other hand, not so much...

    If you don't like it boy, go complain with Glantz, given that this is what the man himself has stated... should I give you the page on Glantz book as well? p.379. Anyone who wishes to can check for themselves.
    Glantz writes

    "given the poor state of red army personnel accounting procedures, Krivosheev and his team of researchers are doing yeomanly research in ferreting out the truth. It is a lengthy, time-consuming and often frustrating process that may never be complete."
     
    Then again, there is this quote here by Colonel D.Glantz, that always has you MUTE with anger. You have NEVER addressed it - how could you? - and it puts a smile on my face everytime.

    "By 1942, after Leningrad and Moscow, Stalin and Marshal Georgi Zhukov think alike. They understand that even if you have to ruthlessly expend manpower, resistance will wear down a numerically weaker opponent. That tactic cost probably 14 million military dead—the price of defeating a more experienced, battle-worthy, savvy Wehrmacht."
     
    Have you at least come to terms with how vital the lend-lease program was for the Soviets to keep fighting, or are we still in denial about that as well?
    Marshal Zhukov recognized this as far back as the early 60s and new research by Russian historians have confirmed it:

    "...Today(1963) some say the Allies did not help us...
    But, listen, one cannot deny that the Americans shipped over to us material without which we could not have equipped our armies held in reserve or been able to continue the war...
    We did not have enough munitions, how would we have been able to turn out all those tanks without the rolled steel sent to us by the Americans?"

     

    Finally, let me tell ya a secret boy... take my hand so you don't fall flat on your lying stalinist pig face... one can fight better and still lose a war... like the Finns outfought the red army but lost in the end. Big secret, eh?

    Hey bud, let me level with you. You can’t fight “better” and lose a war. The Germans knew what they were getting into, it’s not like Russians tricked them into believing that there were less of them and then unfairly won the war based on superior numbers of which the Germans didn’t know beforehand. Despite the odds the Germans thought they were better – they were not. End of story.

    Another topic – Do you think Americans think they can do better? I don’t believe that they believe this. The supposed best army in the universe wouldn’t need another 27 allies to confront Russia if they had such confidence in their capabilities.

    You know what Khrushchev – who has to be my favorite Ukrainian of all times – said to the Americans? “Don’t threaten us, because we’re going to hit you so hard, you’re going to forget your own name”.

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    Cyrano: "You can’t fight “better” and lose a war."

    Of course you can and it has happened many times in history. I won't even try to explain that one to you.

    cyrano: "The Germans knew what they were getting into, it’s not like Russians tricked them into believing that there were less of them and then unfairly won the war based on superior numbers of which the Germans didn’t know beforehand. Despite the odds the Germans thought they were better – they were not. End of story."

    This is an absolutely idiotic and vacuous statement. For one thing, bc the Soviet regime was very much responsible for bringing about WW2 and bc it basically cornered Germany into a position where it had little else to do but strike first... which they did and nearly won.
    The German military was much superior to the Red Army & this is well established.
    In fact, this is clearly stated by comrade smoothie's hero, D.Glantz, see quote above.

    cyrano: "Another topic – Do you think Americans think they can do better?"

    WTF has the German-Soviet war in the 40s to do with a possible war between ZUSA and the Russian Federation?
    The Zamericans are not the Wehrmacht, meaning they are not nearly as good, and the Russian military of today is clearly NOT the Stalinist red army of the 40s.
    I have already stated here at Unz more than once that in a conventional war in its near abroad I expect Russia to defeat ZUSA/NATO.
    , @Peter Akuleyev
    You can’t fight “better” and lose a war.

    Bullshit. The Serbs fought much, much better than the Austrians in WWI but still lost in the end. Numbers and resources are what count over time.

    Hell, plenty of people will still you tell you the Confederacy fought better than the North.
  143. @Authenticjazzman
    " The thing about jazz is one play the notes in ones head"

    Just what the hell does jazz music have to do with this issue?

    Look friend you can refrain right now from lecturing me on the subject of jazz music, seeing as I have been immersed therein since the fifties and really am not in need of tutoring or advice pertaining thereto.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member since 1973, airborne qualified "poor kid" US army vet and pro jazz artist.

    I have been immersed therein since the fifties

    Any vids?

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  144. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website
    @L.K
    You are completely out of your depth on the subject and it shows, as you have felt necessary to use , of all sources, wikipedia. That makes you a fool, and I'm being nice.
    FYI, dummy, no 3.6 million German soldiers were KIA during the war, not even close.
    But a lot of German soldiers died in captivity, including after the war was already over.
    That is the reason for the big number.
    Also, obviously a lot of Germans who were kia perished at other fronts too, not exclusively on the Eastern Front.
    My 'accounting' is accurate, as I have compared similar things(kia) over a similar period of time, on the same front.
    Learn to walk b4 u try to run.

    Learn to walk b4 u try to run.

    Hey, moron, read Glantz’s essay specifically dedicated to losses. You can easily download PDF from here:

    http://sti.clemson.edu/component/search/?searchword=Glantz&ordering=&searchphrase=all

    Total Wehrmacht’s Eastern Front: KIA: 3,888,000
    POW: 3.035,700

    Total number of all Wehrmacht casualties on Eastern Front: 10, 758,000

    Just go, ubeyisya ob stenu;-)

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    Hey Pinocchio, how's that bottle of Vodka going?

    Listen, this may hurt your tiny little head but the figures you posted are total crap on a stick.
    From 22 June to 31 Dec. 1944, German documents concerning the Eastern Front show the following losses:
    885.000 KIA, 3.448.000 WIA, 1.105.000 MIA(mostly pows).*
    I don't have in front of me the German losses for 1945 but, with the obvious exception of POWs, the final toll in KIA could not possibly have risen to anything close to 3,888,000 in a little over 4 months.
    *source - military historians Niklas Zetterling & Anders Frankson, who, btw, have written for Glantz journal and criticized the many errors and innacuracies re alleged German troop strenght, casualties, etc.

    But then, even if those idiotic figures you posted were true, and they most certainly are NOT, I still must hold your lying little stalinist feet to the fire, er , to that D.Glantz' statement, ya know, the one you never say a single word about:

    "By 1942, after Leningrad and Moscow, Stalin and Marshal Georgi Zhukov think alike. They understand that even if you have to ruthlessly expend manpower, resistance will wear down a numerically weaker opponent. That tactic cost probably 14 million military dead—the price of defeating a more experienced, battle-worthy, savvy Wehrmacht."
     
  145. @L.K
    You are completely out of your depth on the subject and it shows, as you have felt necessary to use , of all sources, wikipedia. That makes you a fool, and I'm being nice.
    FYI, dummy, no 3.6 million German soldiers were KIA during the war, not even close.
    But a lot of German soldiers died in captivity, including after the war was already over.
    That is the reason for the big number.
    Also, obviously a lot of Germans who were kia perished at other fronts too, not exclusively on the Eastern Front.
    My 'accounting' is accurate, as I have compared similar things(kia) over a similar period of time, on the same front.
    Learn to walk b4 u try to run.

    I’m being nice.

    You are, indeed. Thanks a bunch, dear fella; you’re a real peach, I tell ya.

    According to Russian wikipedia (quoting Grigori Krivosheev):
    3.6m German soldiers were killed, plus
    3.5m German soldiers were taken prisoners, and 0.44m of those died.

    This is pretty much in agreement with Rüdiger Overmans, who puts the total number of Germans killed on all fronts at 5.3m.

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  146. utu says:
    @L.K
    I doubt this to be true, due to the fact that after the big purges of the 1930s, the huge Jewish overrepresentation in the security apparatus of the Soviet Union had been substantially reduced.
    NKVD records reflect this reduction. By the late 30s the Jews were only moderately overrepresented Vis-à-vis their share of the population.

    Was Jewish overrepresentation reduced in security apparatus because of 1930′s purges before WWII? I do not think so. Yagoda was replaced Yezhov and so what? Anyway it’s sill safe to assume that the core of the mean ant-Soviet/Russian joke is true:

    - What was behind the famed selfless heroism of Red Army soldiers?
    - A Jewish NKVD officer with a drawn pistol.

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    Considering only the largest ethnic group, the Russians, and the Jews who in the mid to late 30s, made up about 2% of the Soviet population;
    Russian historian Nikita V. Petrov, specialist on the Soviet security services, combed the internal NKVD data.
    In the upper echelons of the NKVD, he found out that as of October 1936, Jews made up nearly 40% of the leading positions while Russians, who made up the vast majority of the population, made up 30%.
    After purges, this changed and by Feb,1941, Russians made up nearly 65% and Jews circa 5.5%.
    Make of it what you will.
  147. utu says:
    @Mao Cheng Ji

    They ended up embracing Bolsheviks and Stalinists “achievements” and keep whitewashing most horrible Soviet crimes that were committed against the Russian nation.
     
    BS. Excesses of stalinism were first condemned by the Soviet government back in 1956. Long before the US government apologized for the genocide of Indians and the internment of Japanese Americans. Not to mention things like Hiroshima/Nagasaki and the Vietnam war that still haven't been officially condemned.

    Condemnations of stalinism then started anew in Russia in the late 1980s, endlessly and loudly repeated over and over through the 90s, 2000s, and still today.

    But none of that will satisfy you, obviously.

    Meanwhile, George Washington, "Devourer of Villages" is still a super-respected American statesman and luminary. Fine with me, but let's be consistent.

    “Condemnations of stalinism then started anew in Russia in the late 1980s, endlessly and loudly repeated over and over through the 90s, 2000s, and still today.

    But none of that will satisfy you, obviously.”

    You are right it does not satisfy me. It was not enough. And after the brief period of thaw in 1990′s opposite trend of whitewashing Soviet crimes began. Commenters like Smoothie, Lyttenburgh and Israel Shamir here at unz.com represent this trend of neo-stalinist rehabilitation and whitewashing.

    I have o problem of talking about hidden and unacknowledged ugly history of the US. But pointing to it when we talk about Soviet Union is rather primitive eristic: Your mama is ugly. But, your sister is a slut.

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    Condemnation of 'Stalinism' was meant to hide the crimes of the Comintern 'Old Bolshevik Guard' of Lenin-Trotsky and blame them wholesale on Stalin's 'nationalism'.
    , @Mao Cheng Ji

    I have o problem of talking about hidden and unacknowledged ugly history of the US. But pointing to it when we talk about Soviet Union is rather primitive eristic: Your mama is ugly. But, your sister is a slut.
     
    No, it's not that. It's quite the opposite, actually. It illustrates the simple fact: history does not usually fit into context-free primitive angel-demon dichotomy. No matter how hard you insist. Try dialectics.
  148. Seraphim says:
    @utu
    "Condemnations of stalinism then started anew in Russia in the late 1980s, endlessly and loudly repeated over and over through the 90s, 2000s, and still today.

    But none of that will satisfy you, obviously."

    You are right it does not satisfy me. It was not enough. And after the brief period of thaw in 1990's opposite trend of whitewashing Soviet crimes began. Commenters like Smoothie, Lyttenburgh and Israel Shamir here at unz.com represent this trend of neo-stalinist rehabilitation and whitewashing.

    I have o problem of talking about hidden and unacknowledged ugly history of the US. But pointing to it when we talk about Soviet Union is rather primitive eristic: Your mama is ugly. But, your sister is a slut.

    Condemnation of ‘Stalinism’ was meant to hide the crimes of the Comintern ‘Old Bolshevik Guard’ of Lenin-Trotsky and blame them wholesale on Stalin’s ‘nationalism’.

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  149. Art says:
    @Robert Magill
    Well done, Saker.
    I feel that Trump still has a sufficiently universal vision because of his worldwide business experience to prevail in this except for one thing, and it's a big one. He is surrounded by so much ad hominem ill will he has to rely on whomever is not out to destroy him and the choices are really slim.

    I can't recall when anyone in a similar situation, including Richard Nixon facing impeachment, was the object of such universal scorn and ill will. I have elsewhere described this phenomenon in the schoolyard sense of "piling on" which even as kids we knew was dirty. Barack Obama can't refrain from this sneaky impulse although maybe concern for his massive book deal and legacy polishing have something to do with his actions.

    For Trump to survive and prevail he could use the public moral support that could be offered by important Democrats who have the gumption and vision to visit the White House publicly. He is, after all, our POTUS.

    http://robertmagill.wordpress.com

    This is really good for lough, “business experience”, hahaha, get a life he was bankrupt 5 times, he had thousands of lawsuits because he didn’t pay salary for his workers, you will be surprised to see what next for you all, fasten your seatbelts because americans are going for very bumpy and rough ride.

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    He didn't have his face in the .gov feed bag for life, like all our usual career "public service" candidates.
    The Corp. USA is very bankrupt; who better to preside over the reorganization- or liquidation?
    , @Ace
    I doubt that Trump personally went bankrupt five times. I think he structured those five ventures so that they were isolated from his personal assets. Not all business ventures succeed and for one to fail is not a reflection of a moral or business judgment deficiency.

    "Thousands" of lawsuits for unpaid wages seems unlikely. It's my unsubstantiated opinion that Trump treats employees well.
  150. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Authenticjazzman
    " The list of your credentials at the end is an embarrassment to you"

    Says who? Do you set the parameters for all human behavior or expression"

    Just who are you other than an biased internet voice who speaks only for him/herself.

    Others here see through your nonsense, and I really do not care about your unqualified opinion of myself.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member since 1973, airborne qualified US army vet , and pro jazz artist.

    I don’t know about embarrassing but it is damned annoying.

    Anonymous SSc BSc Ph.D MD OBE member of sigma V for 30 years, former SAS special operations, multilingual polyglot, 10th dan aikido practitioner, movie star, billionaire philanthropist.

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    Impressive that you are one of 5-6 people who have a 10th dan in Aikido! How did a Japanese become a SAS operations member? Thanks for the grin...
  151. L.K says:
    @Cyrano
    Hey bud, let me level with you. You can’t fight “better” and lose a war. The Germans knew what they were getting into, it’s not like Russians tricked them into believing that there were less of them and then unfairly won the war based on superior numbers of which the Germans didn’t know beforehand. Despite the odds the Germans thought they were better – they were not. End of story.

    Another topic – Do you think Americans think they can do better? I don’t believe that they believe this. The supposed best army in the universe wouldn’t need another 27 allies to confront Russia if they had such confidence in their capabilities.

    You know what Khrushchev – who has to be my favorite Ukrainian of all times – said to the Americans? “Don’t threaten us, because we’re going to hit you so hard, you’re going to forget your own name”.

    Cyrano: “You can’t fight “better” and lose a war.”

    Of course you can and it has happened many times in history. I won’t even try to explain that one to you.

    cyrano: “The Germans knew what they were getting into, it’s not like Russians tricked them into believing that there were less of them and then unfairly won the war based on superior numbers of which the Germans didn’t know beforehand. Despite the odds the Germans thought they were better – they were not. End of story.”

    This is an absolutely idiotic and vacuous statement. For one thing, bc the Soviet regime was very much responsible for bringing about WW2 and bc it basically cornered Germany into a position where it had little else to do but strike first… which they did and nearly won.
    The German military was much superior to the Red Army & this is well established.
    In fact, this is clearly stated by comrade smoothie’s hero, D.Glantz, see quote above.

    cyrano: “Another topic – Do you think Americans think they can do better?”

    WTF has the German-Soviet war in the 40s to do with a possible war between ZUSA and the Russian Federation?
    The Zamericans are not the Wehrmacht, meaning they are not nearly as good, and the Russian military of today is clearly NOT the Stalinist red army of the 40s.
    I have already stated here at Unz more than once that in a conventional war in its near abroad I expect Russia to defeat ZUSA/NATO.

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    The German military was much superior to the Red Army & this is well established.
     
    Who established this? You?

    If the Germans were better than the Russians they would have won. Do you understand the premise of the discussion here, do you have any vague idea about logic and such.

    The wars are not decided based on who left better artistic impression on the judges and you wouldn’t qualify for one anyway. War is not an Olympic sport and it’s not rhythmic gymnastics. The wars are also not decided based on who killed more enemy combatants.

    The wars are decided when one side has no fight left in them which was the state of the Wehrmacht after the Red Army were done with them. You can give the Wehrmacht a 10 – not that your opinion matters - and the cold hard fact would still remain that the Red Army beat them fair and square. If you don’t believe me – ask around.

  152. L.K says:
    @Mao Cheng Ji

    I’m being nice.
     
    You are, indeed. Thanks a bunch, dear fella; you're a real peach, I tell ya.

    According to Russian wikipedia (quoting Grigori Krivosheev):
    3.6m German soldiers were killed, plus
    3.5m German soldiers were taken prisoners, and 0.44m of those died.

    This is pretty much in agreement with Rüdiger Overmans, who puts the total number of Germans killed on all fronts at 5.3m.

    Nope. Your figures are total BS.

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  153. L.K says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Learn to walk b4 u try to run.
     
    Hey, moron, read Glantz's essay specifically dedicated to losses. You can easily download PDF from here:

    http://sti.clemson.edu/component/search/?searchword=Glantz&ordering=&searchphrase=all

    Total Wehrmacht's Eastern Front: KIA: 3,888,000
    POW: 3.035,700

    Total number of all Wehrmacht casualties on Eastern Front: 10, 758,000

    Just go, ubeyisya ob stenu;-)

    Hey Pinocchio, how’s that bottle of Vodka going?

    Listen, this may hurt your tiny little head but the figures you posted are total crap on a stick.
    From 22 June to 31 Dec. 1944, German documents concerning the Eastern Front show the following losses:
    885.000 KIA, 3.448.000 WIA, 1.105.000 MIA(mostly pows).*
    I don’t have in front of me the German losses for 1945 but, with the obvious exception of POWs, the final toll in KIA could not possibly have risen to anything close to 3,888,000 in a little over 4 months.
    *source – military historians Niklas Zetterling & Anders Frankson, who, btw, have written for Glantz journal and criticized the many errors and innacuracies re alleged German troop strenght, casualties, etc.

    But then, even if those idiotic figures you posted were true, and they most certainly are NOT, I still must hold your lying little stalinist feet to the fire, er , to that D.Glantz’ statement, ya know, the one you never say a single word about:

    “By 1942, after Leningrad and Moscow, Stalin and Marshal Georgi Zhukov think alike. They understand that even if you have to ruthlessly expend manpower, resistance will wear down a numerically weaker opponent. That tactic cost probably 14 million military dead—the price of defeating a more experienced, battle-worthy, savvy Wehrmacht.”

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    But then, even if those idiotic figures you posted were true, and they most certainly are NOT,
     
    Sure they are not, and archives are idiotic, and, of course, we all live on a planet Zoltar. Now, would you, Mr. esteemed "military historian", after yet again another request, make our day here and disclose at least your nationality/ethnicity? Just a single word--you know, like I am...... fill in the blank. This is the only thing which is missing from your Venn Diagram;-)

    I don’t have in front of me the German losses for 1945 but, with the obvious exception of POWs, the final toll in KIA could not possibly have risen to anything close to 3,888,000 in a little over 4 months.
     
    Of course not, these were evil Ziemke and US Army Military History Center who faked those numbers. And what you do not have, my dear, in a front of you is not "German losses"--it is even basic understanding of how military operates and fights. This, plus sorely needed meds for depression or whatever they use today to treat mental pathologies. I would suggest you try to write a book on WW II and I will gladly review it after it published, deal? ;-)
  154. L.K says:
    @L.K
    Utu: "To kill one German soldier it took on average 7 Soviet soldiers."

    Although you have been viciously attacked by the usual crowd of fools, liars and useful idiots, you are not that far from the facts.
    From the start of Barbarossa until 31 December 1944, the Germans suffered 885.000 KIA on the Eastern Front.
    Same period, Soviet official KIA were 5.568.000. I ain't including deaths by accidents, disease, i.e. non combat deaths.
    https://justpaste.it/Krivosheev
    If you throw in Germany's allied formations the ratio would change a bit but not that much. However, many historians have found that Soviet official figures are understated.
    US Colonel D.Glantz, often cited by people like smoothie, but only when it suits him and only as long as it serves his propaganda purposes, stated;

    "By 1942, after Leningrad and Moscow, Stalin and Marshal Georgi Zhukov think alike. They understand that even if you have to ruthlessly expend manpower, resistance will wear down a numerically weaker opponent. That tactic cost probably 14 million military dead—the price of defeating a more experienced, battle-worthy, savvy Wehrmacht."
     
    Which is to say Glantz has figured out that real Soviet losses were actually quite a bit higher than Krivosheev's figures, which, of course, are much higher already than that of the Germans.
    Glantz explains in appendix E of 'Zhukov's Greatest Defeat' that Krivosheev and his research team were doing the best they could but that the red army personnel accounting procedures were poor.

    I should correct one mistake I made; The Soviet figure I gave includes soldiers who died of wounds at hospitals while the German figure does not.
    For those who are interested, subtract those under the column ‘died in hospital of wounds ‘.

    https://justpaste.it/Krivosheev

    Those could then be added to the wia.

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    Just after posting I actually found the figure of German soldiers who died of wounds in said period. It raises the 885,000 kia to near a million.
  155. Cyrano says:
    @L.K
    Cyrano: "You can’t fight “better” and lose a war."

    Of course you can and it has happened many times in history. I won't even try to explain that one to you.

    cyrano: "The Germans knew what they were getting into, it’s not like Russians tricked them into believing that there were less of them and then unfairly won the war based on superior numbers of which the Germans didn’t know beforehand. Despite the odds the Germans thought they were better – they were not. End of story."

    This is an absolutely idiotic and vacuous statement. For one thing, bc the Soviet regime was very much responsible for bringing about WW2 and bc it basically cornered Germany into a position where it had little else to do but strike first... which they did and nearly won.
    The German military was much superior to the Red Army & this is well established.
    In fact, this is clearly stated by comrade smoothie's hero, D.Glantz, see quote above.

    cyrano: "Another topic – Do you think Americans think they can do better?"

    WTF has the German-Soviet war in the 40s to do with a possible war between ZUSA and the Russian Federation?
    The Zamericans are not the Wehrmacht, meaning they are not nearly as good, and the Russian military of today is clearly NOT the Stalinist red army of the 40s.
    I have already stated here at Unz more than once that in a conventional war in its near abroad I expect Russia to defeat ZUSA/NATO.

    The German military was much superior to the Red Army & this is well established.

    Who established this? You?

    If the Germans were better than the Russians they would have won. Do you understand the premise of the discussion here, do you have any vague idea about logic and such.

    The wars are not decided based on who left better artistic impression on the judges and you wouldn’t qualify for one anyway. War is not an Olympic sport and it’s not rhythmic gymnastics. The wars are also not decided based on who killed more enemy combatants.

    The wars are decided when one side has no fight left in them which was the state of the Wehrmacht after the Red Army were done with them. You can give the Wehrmacht a 10 – not that your opinion matters – and the cold hard fact would still remain that the Red Army beat them fair and square. If you don’t believe me – ask around.

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    Look if the US had not supplied the Russians with huge amounts of war material, they, the Russians, would have been confronting the Germans with pitchforks and blunderbusses.
    They, the Russians, actually had diesel powered planes which no one in their right mind would willingly fly in.
    Who won the war? My mother in Detroit, and thousands of " Rosies" working three shifts to keep the bullets and tanks coming off of the line.
    The Russians represented the epitome of helpless " cannonfodder", and no amount of twisting history can change this fact.
    They were indescribably inferior to the Germans, and any attempt to alter this truth is rediculous , and nothing but a futile effort to uphold the fairytale of the "heroic" communist warriors.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member since 1973, airborne qualified US army vet and pro jazz artist.
    , @Andrei Martyanov

    Who established this? You?
     
    Yes. No, I mean it seriously.
    , @L.K
    Cyrano: 'Who established this? You?'

    No, for one, try smoothie's hero, Colonel Glantz:

    "By 1942, after Leningrad and Moscow, Stalin and Marshal Georgi Zhukov think alike. They understand that even if you have to ruthlessly expend manpower, resistance will wear down a numerically weaker opponent. That tactic cost probably 14 million military dead—the price of defeating a more experienced, battle-worthy, savvy Wehrmacht."
     
    What part of 'more experienced, battle-worthy, savvy Wehrmacht' do you not understand, fool?
  156. @utu
    "Condemnations of stalinism then started anew in Russia in the late 1980s, endlessly and loudly repeated over and over through the 90s, 2000s, and still today.

    But none of that will satisfy you, obviously."

    You are right it does not satisfy me. It was not enough. And after the brief period of thaw in 1990's opposite trend of whitewashing Soviet crimes began. Commenters like Smoothie, Lyttenburgh and Israel Shamir here at unz.com represent this trend of neo-stalinist rehabilitation and whitewashing.

    I have o problem of talking about hidden and unacknowledged ugly history of the US. But pointing to it when we talk about Soviet Union is rather primitive eristic: Your mama is ugly. But, your sister is a slut.

    I have o problem of talking about hidden and unacknowledged ugly history of the US. But pointing to it when we talk about Soviet Union is rather primitive eristic: Your mama is ugly. But, your sister is a slut.

    No, it’s not that. It’s quite the opposite, actually. It illustrates the simple fact: history does not usually fit into context-free primitive angel-demon dichotomy. No matter how hard you insist. Try dialectics.

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  157. @Cyrano

    The German military was much superior to the Red Army & this is well established.
     
    Who established this? You?

    If the Germans were better than the Russians they would have won. Do you understand the premise of the discussion here, do you have any vague idea about logic and such.

    The wars are not decided based on who left better artistic impression on the judges and you wouldn’t qualify for one anyway. War is not an Olympic sport and it’s not rhythmic gymnastics. The wars are also not decided based on who killed more enemy combatants.

    The wars are decided when one side has no fight left in them which was the state of the Wehrmacht after the Red Army were done with them. You can give the Wehrmacht a 10 – not that your opinion matters - and the cold hard fact would still remain that the Red Army beat them fair and square. If you don’t believe me – ask around.

    Look if the US had not supplied the Russians with huge amounts of war material, they, the Russians, would have been confronting the Germans with pitchforks and blunderbusses.
    They, the Russians, actually had diesel powered planes which no one in their right mind would willingly fly in.
    Who won the war? My mother in Detroit, and thousands of ” Rosies” working three shifts to keep the bullets and tanks coming off of the line.
    The Russians represented the epitome of helpless ” cannonfodder”, and no amount of twisting history can change this fact.
    They were indescribably inferior to the Germans, and any attempt to alter this truth is rediculous , and nothing but a futile effort to uphold the fairytale of the “heroic” communist warriors.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” society member since 1973, airborne qualified US army vet and pro jazz artist.

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    Look if the US had not supplied the Russians with huge amounts of war material, they, the Russians, would have been confronting the Germans with pitchforks and blunderbusses.
     
    Don't express your opinions on subject matters you have no idea about. Here are two scans from When Titans Clashed and WW II History by US Military Academy West-Point.

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-A-bbcZU50dU/VjT_cQAbxDI/AAAAAAAAAOo/vC-BHm5guJc/s1600/West-Point_3.jpg

    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-c5hbLfJ9AVw/VjT_ccnWrtI/AAAAAAAAAOk/kDjVXsYCUGs/s1600/Glantz-House_2.jpg

    Stay within the field of "expertise" you claim--that is jazz.
    , @utu

    "The Russians represented the epitome of helpless ” cannonfodder”, and no amount of twisting history can change this fact."
     
    It is very sad but true.
    , @Cyrano
    Hey Jizman, are you done playing with yourself? Is that how you earned your nickname or is it because you think that you're master debater? You don't even know how to spell, so much for your "intelligence" you imbecile.
    , @Mao Cheng Ji

    The Russians represented the epitome of helpless ” cannonfodder”, and no amount of twisting history can change this fact.
     
    First of all, Soviets, not Russians. More importantly: people who defend their countries, their families, and their own lives against an invasion do not fit the description of 'cannon fodder'. Only the invaders do.

    And so it's the German, Magyar, Romanian, Croat and others invaders who can be reasonably described as the epitome of 'cannon fodder'. And the Soviets were defenders and liberators of their homeland and of other nazi-occupied countries.

  158. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website
    @L.K
    Hey Pinocchio, how's that bottle of Vodka going?

    Listen, this may hurt your tiny little head but the figures you posted are total crap on a stick.
    From 22 June to 31 Dec. 1944, German documents concerning the Eastern Front show the following losses:
    885.000 KIA, 3.448.000 WIA, 1.105.000 MIA(mostly pows).*
    I don't have in front of me the German losses for 1945 but, with the obvious exception of POWs, the final toll in KIA could not possibly have risen to anything close to 3,888,000 in a little over 4 months.
    *source - military historians Niklas Zetterling & Anders Frankson, who, btw, have written for Glantz journal and criticized the many errors and innacuracies re alleged German troop strenght, casualties, etc.

    But then, even if those idiotic figures you posted were true, and they most certainly are NOT, I still must hold your lying little stalinist feet to the fire, er , to that D.Glantz' statement, ya know, the one you never say a single word about:

    "By 1942, after Leningrad and Moscow, Stalin and Marshal Georgi Zhukov think alike. They understand that even if you have to ruthlessly expend manpower, resistance will wear down a numerically weaker opponent. That tactic cost probably 14 million military dead—the price of defeating a more experienced, battle-worthy, savvy Wehrmacht."
     

    But then, even if those idiotic figures you posted were true, and they most certainly are NOT,

    Sure they are not, and archives are idiotic, and, of course, we all live on a planet Zoltar. Now, would you, Mr. esteemed “military historian”, after yet again another request, make our day here and disclose at least your nationality/ethnicity? Just a single word–you know, like I am…… fill in the blank. This is the only thing which is missing from your Venn Diagram;-)

    I don’t have in front of me the German losses for 1945 but, with the obvious exception of POWs, the final toll in KIA could not possibly have risen to anything close to 3,888,000 in a little over 4 months.

    Of course not, these were evil Ziemke and US Army Military History Center who faked those numbers. And what you do not have, my dear, in a front of you is not “German losses”–it is even basic understanding of how military operates and fights. This, plus sorely needed meds for depression or whatever they use today to treat mental pathologies. I would suggest you try to write a book on WW II and I will gladly review it after it published, deal? ;-)

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  159. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website
    @Authenticjazzman
    Look if the US had not supplied the Russians with huge amounts of war material, they, the Russians, would have been confronting the Germans with pitchforks and blunderbusses.
    They, the Russians, actually had diesel powered planes which no one in their right mind would willingly fly in.
    Who won the war? My mother in Detroit, and thousands of " Rosies" working three shifts to keep the bullets and tanks coming off of the line.
    The Russians represented the epitome of helpless " cannonfodder", and no amount of twisting history can change this fact.
    They were indescribably inferior to the Germans, and any attempt to alter this truth is rediculous , and nothing but a futile effort to uphold the fairytale of the "heroic" communist warriors.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member since 1973, airborne qualified US army vet and pro jazz artist.

    Look if the US had not supplied the Russians with huge amounts of war material, they, the Russians, would have been confronting the Germans with pitchforks and blunderbusses.

    Don’t express your opinions on subject matters you have no idea about. Here are two scans from When Titans Clashed and WW II History by US Military Academy West-Point.

    Stay within the field of “expertise” you claim–that is jazz.

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    "Stay within the field of expertise you claim-that is jazz"

    Look you are more than naive if you do not realize that ww2 history has been, for political reasons, rewritten a million times over since then, and fact is : the US supplied the Soviets with huge amounts of material, planes, tanks, munition, etc.
    My departed mother worked in defence production in Detroit, and she told me that on occasion there were Russian officers going through the plant with US officers.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member of forty-plus years, airborne qualified US army vet, and pro jazz artist.

  160. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website
    @Cyrano

    The German military was much superior to the Red Army & this is well established.
     
    Who established this? You?

    If the Germans were better than the Russians they would have won. Do you understand the premise of the discussion here, do you have any vague idea about logic and such.

    The wars are not decided based on who left better artistic impression on the judges and you wouldn’t qualify for one anyway. War is not an Olympic sport and it’s not rhythmic gymnastics. The wars are also not decided based on who killed more enemy combatants.

    The wars are decided when one side has no fight left in them which was the state of the Wehrmacht after the Red Army were done with them. You can give the Wehrmacht a 10 – not that your opinion matters - and the cold hard fact would still remain that the Red Army beat them fair and square. If you don’t believe me – ask around.

    Who established this? You?

    Yes. No, I mean it seriously.

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  161. utu says:
    @Authenticjazzman
    Look if the US had not supplied the Russians with huge amounts of war material, they, the Russians, would have been confronting the Germans with pitchforks and blunderbusses.
    They, the Russians, actually had diesel powered planes which no one in their right mind would willingly fly in.
    Who won the war? My mother in Detroit, and thousands of " Rosies" working three shifts to keep the bullets and tanks coming off of the line.
    The Russians represented the epitome of helpless " cannonfodder", and no amount of twisting history can change this fact.
    They were indescribably inferior to the Germans, and any attempt to alter this truth is rediculous , and nothing but a futile effort to uphold the fairytale of the "heroic" communist warriors.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member since 1973, airborne qualified US army vet and pro jazz artist.

    “The Russians represented the epitome of helpless ” cannonfodder”, and no amount of twisting history can change this fact.”

    It is very sad but true.

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    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
    I remember when I bought the Panzerblitz game years ago, it contained a campaign summary. At the end, it quoted a German general commenting on the capacity of the Red Army that he faced: "They were first-class fighters from the start, and in the end they became first-class soldiers." Unfortunately, I can't find the attribution for the quote, but it has stuck with me all these years. I don't think that very many German military personnel who fought Soviet forces in World War II would have characterized them as "helpless cannon fodder."
  162. Cyrano says:
    @Authenticjazzman
    Look if the US had not supplied the Russians with huge amounts of war material, they, the Russians, would have been confronting the Germans with pitchforks and blunderbusses.
    They, the Russians, actually had diesel powered planes which no one in their right mind would willingly fly in.
    Who won the war? My mother in Detroit, and thousands of " Rosies" working three shifts to keep the bullets and tanks coming off of the line.
    The Russians represented the epitome of helpless " cannonfodder", and no amount of twisting history can change this fact.
    They were indescribably inferior to the Germans, and any attempt to alter this truth is rediculous , and nothing but a futile effort to uphold the fairytale of the "heroic" communist warriors.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member since 1973, airborne qualified US army vet and pro jazz artist.

    Hey Jizman, are you done playing with yourself? Is that how you earned your nickname or is it because you think that you’re master debater? You don’t even know how to spell, so much for your “intelligence” you imbecile.

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  163. L.K says:
    @utu
    Was Jewish overrepresentation reduced in security apparatus because of 1930's purges before WWII? I do not think so. Yagoda was replaced Yezhov and so what? Anyway it's sill safe to assume that the core of the mean ant-Soviet/Russian joke is true:

    - What was behind the famed selfless heroism of Red Army soldiers?
    - A Jewish NKVD officer with a drawn pistol.

    Considering only the largest ethnic group, the Russians, and the Jews who in the mid to late 30s, made up about 2% of the Soviet population;
    Russian historian Nikita V. Petrov, specialist on the Soviet security services, combed the internal NKVD data.
    In the upper echelons of the NKVD, he found out that as of October 1936, Jews made up nearly 40% of the leading positions while Russians, who made up the vast majority of the population, made up 30%.
    After purges, this changed and by Feb,1941, Russians made up nearly 65% and Jews circa 5.5%.
    Make of it what you will.

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  164. L.K says:
    @L.K
    I should correct one mistake I made; The Soviet figure I gave includes soldiers who died of wounds at hospitals while the German figure does not.
    For those who are interested, subtract those under the column 'died in hospital of wounds '.
    https://justpaste.it/Krivosheev
    Those could then be added to the wia.

    Just after posting I actually found the figure of German soldiers who died of wounds in said period. It raises the 885,000 kia to near a million.

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  165. Sparkon says:

    If the empire is on any hypothetical, even melodramatic suicide watch, then Pres. Trump’s first order of business should be to unplug the Green Leeches that are sucking the life and vitality out of our system.

    Unreliable, intermittent, complicated energy sources like wind turbines and solar arrays not only drive up energy prices, but also destabilize the grid.

    At what price so-called “sustainability”?

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    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    While they are competing against CCGTs, which are relatively cheap and easy to power up quickly there is a case for wind and solar. However, against nukes supporting the baseload, they struggle in any temperate climate (daytime load in sunny hot places with a lot of air conditioners favours solar though). The coming of electric cars is going to throw this whole debate wide open. Electric cars are going to increase average electrical demand by about 50%. The big issue is going to be when people choose to top them up. Again, in sunny places, daytime charging via solar will be the most cost effective. This implies employers offering charging facilities in car parks (supplied as an outsourced service of course). In Manchester, England on a cold rainy day in December going up the M62 across the mountains to Yorkshire it is a rather different story. No significant sunshine for months. That would imply charging at night time using nuclear baseload power at home. We are going to see horses for courses. To be fair to solar, at large scale, in the right place (the Persian Gulf), it is already the cheapest form of generation. Solar has been winning big, unsubsidized contracts at utility scale in the GCC for about two years which will push the learning curve along with or without subsidy.

    Wind without support is more debatable, anywhere. Maybe the rift valley in Kenya where there is a very reliable airflow, up in the day and down at night but at dawn and dusk that still leaves a gap.

    So no. Oil is never coming back to the way it was as King of the 25 year long raw materials cycle. The next peak around 2036 will be much more modest. Russia will need to create a modern economy or become a less effective Argentina. At the macro level, Russia's performance has been excellent (the Central Bank in particular) but the massive focus on micro-intervention picking winners and import substitution in manufacturing is something of a loser. Think Skolkovo. The entry price to re-enter into lost glories is very high. If they must subsidize, reinforce success like space launch, software and e-tendering but not too much otherwise Elon Musk will eat their lunch.

  166. @Authenticjazzman
    Look if the US had not supplied the Russians with huge amounts of war material, they, the Russians, would have been confronting the Germans with pitchforks and blunderbusses.
    They, the Russians, actually had diesel powered planes which no one in their right mind would willingly fly in.
    Who won the war? My mother in Detroit, and thousands of " Rosies" working three shifts to keep the bullets and tanks coming off of the line.
    The Russians represented the epitome of helpless " cannonfodder", and no amount of twisting history can change this fact.
    They were indescribably inferior to the Germans, and any attempt to alter this truth is rediculous , and nothing but a futile effort to uphold the fairytale of the "heroic" communist warriors.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member since 1973, airborne qualified US army vet and pro jazz artist.

    The Russians represented the epitome of helpless ” cannonfodder”, and no amount of twisting history can change this fact.

    First of all, Soviets, not Russians. More importantly: people who defend their countries, their families, and their own lives against an invasion do not fit the description of ‘cannon fodder’. Only the invaders do.

    And so it’s the German, Magyar, Romanian, Croat and others invaders who can be reasonably described as the epitome of ‘cannon fodder’. And the Soviets were defenders and liberators of their homeland and of other nazi-occupied countries.

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    • Replies: @Authenticjazzman
    " do not fit the description of cannonfodder"

    They most certainly do if they are coerced and forcibly herded, regardles of the odds, into battle by their ruthless commanders, and this is precisely what happened in the red army.

    Authenticjazzman " Mensa" society member since 1973, pro jazz artist and airborne qualified US army vet.
  167. L.K says:
    @Cyrano

    The German military was much superior to the Red Army & this is well established.
     
    Who established this? You?

    If the Germans were better than the Russians they would have won. Do you understand the premise of the discussion here, do you have any vague idea about logic and such.

    The wars are not decided based on who left better artistic impression on the judges and you wouldn’t qualify for one anyway. War is not an Olympic sport and it’s not rhythmic gymnastics. The wars are also not decided based on who killed more enemy combatants.

    The wars are decided when one side has no fight left in them which was the state of the Wehrmacht after the Red Army were done with them. You can give the Wehrmacht a 10 – not that your opinion matters - and the cold hard fact would still remain that the Red Army beat them fair and square. If you don’t believe me – ask around.

    Cyrano: ‘Who established this? You?’

    No, for one, try smoothie’s hero, Colonel Glantz:

    “By 1942, after Leningrad and Moscow, Stalin and Marshal Georgi Zhukov think alike. They understand that even if you have to ruthlessly expend manpower, resistance will wear down a numerically weaker opponent. That tactic cost probably 14 million military dead—the price of defeating a more experienced, battle-worthy, savvy Wehrmacht.”

    What part of ‘more experienced, battle-worthy, savvy Wehrmacht’ do you not understand, fool?

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    • Replies: @Cyrano
    Your battle-worthy, savvy, experienced Wehrmacht experienced those experiences against a wrong opponent. It’s one thing to experience experiences fighting the Frances and the Belgiums and the Netherlands of the world, quite another experience is to fight the Red Army. Do you understand now, or do I have to go moooorrrreee s….l…o….w….l….y? It’s the same like saying that the battle hardened US army after defeating Panama was ready to take on the USSR and apply the valuable experiences learned there. Do you catch my drift? Finally? One has to hope.
    , @Andrei Martyanov

    No, for one, try smoothie’s hero, Colonel Glantz:
     
    Hey, loser, any reading comprehension issues? Don't answer, I know the answer.

    1. Probability (I omit here limit definition) is a measure of a likelihood of an event. Such as, I can measure with certain probability a number of your personal and academic properties. F.e. that you are mentally unstable has a probability (very high) approaching that of 0.9-0.95. That is very likely or very probable. The probability of you understanding even basic principles of warfare is very low or highly unlikely. I say, let's give it a number of 0.1-0.2. So, when people state "probably" they not only imply but openly state that it is likely but ..... and here comes this qualifier.

    2. Glantz, who is not my hero, but USA's ultimate authority (together with Lt.Colonel House) on Great Patriotic War refers in the snipped which you grasp as the last straw to a number of "alternative" sources such as Elnikov, as one example. Zemskov counts it as around 11 million while broad consensus between historians on all continents after opening of archives hovers around 8-9 million KIAs. Now, and remember, I am not writing this for you but for those who read this discussion board, there are many Glantz' colleague from Russian Academy Of Science (Glantz is a member there) who disagree with him. But let's say Glantz gives the number around 14 million. His essay from Clemson (see hyperlink above) gives specifically 14 700 000 of actual KIAs, MIAs and POWs together. In first edition of When Titans Clashed he gives 11, 285, 057 as all combat losses including almost 4.5 million POWs--need calculator? Read Glantz disclaimers. But that is beyond the point anyway. The question is:

    3. Where did you get your 885 000 figure of Wehrmacht KIAs on the Eastern Front. Please, inform? No responsible historian operates with these numbers since they are absurd. Obviously, for you it is a matter of vital importance in your desperate attempt to find any redeeming qualities for Nazis as long as it is turned against Russians. So, again: two questions:

    1. Where did you get this number?
    2. Who are you? I already know probably who you are (getting warmer or... more probable) but I need you to exhibit more of yourself to make some reliable conclusion.

    So, I will keep these two questions afloat for as long as necessary.
  168. Cyrano says:
    @L.K
    Cyrano: 'Who established this? You?'

    No, for one, try smoothie's hero, Colonel Glantz:

    "By 1942, after Leningrad and Moscow, Stalin and Marshal Georgi Zhukov think alike. They understand that even if you have to ruthlessly expend manpower, resistance will wear down a numerically weaker opponent. That tactic cost probably 14 million military dead—the price of defeating a more experienced, battle-worthy, savvy Wehrmacht."
     
    What part of 'more experienced, battle-worthy, savvy Wehrmacht' do you not understand, fool?

    Your battle-worthy, savvy, experienced Wehrmacht experienced those experiences against a wrong opponent. It’s one thing to experience experiences fighting the Frances and the Belgiums and the Netherlands of the world, quite another experience is to fight the Red Army. Do you understand now, or do I have to go moooorrrreee s….l…o….w….l….y? It’s the same like saying that the battle hardened US army after defeating Panama was ready to take on the USSR and apply the valuable experiences learned there. Do you catch my drift? Finally? One has to hope.

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  169. @Mao Cheng Ji

    The Russians represented the epitome of helpless ” cannonfodder”, and no amount of twisting history can change this fact.
     
    First of all, Soviets, not Russians. More importantly: people who defend their countries, their families, and their own lives against an invasion do not fit the description of 'cannon fodder'. Only the invaders do.

    And so it's the German, Magyar, Romanian, Croat and others invaders who can be reasonably described as the epitome of 'cannon fodder'. And the Soviets were defenders and liberators of their homeland and of other nazi-occupied countries.

    ” do not fit the description of cannonfodder”

    They most certainly do if they are coerced and forcibly herded, regardles of the odds, into battle by their ruthless commanders, and this is precisely what happened in the red army.

    Authenticjazzman ” Mensa” society member since 1973, pro jazz artist and airborne qualified US army vet.

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    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov

    They most certainly do if they are coerced and forcibly herded, regardles of the odds, into battle by their ruthless commanders, and this is precisely what happened in the red army.
     
    Is that what you concluded playing jazz? Did this "revelation" come to you when trying to play Summertime or Hava Nagila at the wedding?
    , @Mao Cheng Ji

    They most certainly do if they are coerced and forcibly herded, regardles of the odds, into battle by their ruthless commanders, and this is precisely what happened in the red army.
     
    That's precisely what happens in respect to any conscription-based army. And again, serving in an army (with a very large number of volunteers, incidentally) organized for defending one's country against an existential threat is nowhere near 'cannon fodder'.

    US troops in Vietnam: cannon fodder. The North Vietnamese army and Vietcong: anti-imperialist resistance. And the odds of surviving and the alleged ruthlessness of commanders got nothing to do with it.

  170. @Andrei Martyanov

    Look if the US had not supplied the Russians with huge amounts of war material, they, the Russians, would have been confronting the Germans with pitchforks and blunderbusses.
     
    Don't express your opinions on subject matters you have no idea about. Here are two scans from When Titans Clashed and WW II History by US Military Academy West-Point.

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-A-bbcZU50dU/VjT_cQAbxDI/AAAAAAAAAOo/vC-BHm5guJc/s1600/West-Point_3.jpg

    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-c5hbLfJ9AVw/VjT_ccnWrtI/AAAAAAAAAOk/kDjVXsYCUGs/s1600/Glantz-House_2.jpg

    Stay within the field of "expertise" you claim--that is jazz.

    “Stay within the field of expertise you claim-that is jazz”

    Look you are more than naive if you do not realize that ww2 history has been, for political reasons, rewritten a million times over since then, and fact is : the US supplied the Soviets with huge amounts of material, planes, tanks, munition, etc.
    My departed mother worked in defence production in Detroit, and she told me that on occasion there were Russian officers going through the plant with US officers.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” society member of forty-plus years, airborne qualified US army vet, and pro jazz artist.

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    • Replies: @The Scalpel
    I think you cheated on your "mensa" exam lol. Using sentimental anecdotal evidence to support your argument. Well my dad said so, and my dad can beat up yours. Every time I see your bio at the end of your posts, I do not say to myself, "wow, this guy is impressive," I say, "wow, what an insecure pretender."
  171. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website
    @L.K
    Cyrano: 'Who established this? You?'

    No, for one, try smoothie's hero, Colonel Glantz:

    "By 1942, after Leningrad and Moscow, Stalin and Marshal Georgi Zhukov think alike. They understand that even if you have to ruthlessly expend manpower, resistance will wear down a numerically weaker opponent. That tactic cost probably 14 million military dead—the price of defeating a more experienced, battle-worthy, savvy Wehrmacht."
     
    What part of 'more experienced, battle-worthy, savvy Wehrmacht' do you not understand, fool?

    No, for one, try smoothie’s hero, Colonel Glantz:

    Hey, loser, any reading comprehension issues? Don’t answer, I know the answer.

    1. Probability (I omit here limit definition) is a measure of a likelihood of an event. Such as, I can measure with certain probability a number of your personal and academic properties. F.e. that you are mentally unstable has a probability (very high) approaching that of 0.9-0.95. That is very likely or very probable. The probability of you understanding even basic principles of warfare is very low or highly unlikely. I say, let’s give it a number of 0.1-0.2. So, when people state “probably” they not only imply but openly state that it is likely but ….. and here comes this qualifier.

    2. Glantz, who is not my hero, but USA’s ultimate authority (together with Lt.Colonel House) on Great Patriotic War refers in the snipped which you grasp as the last straw to a number of “alternative” sources such as Elnikov, as one example. Zemskov counts it as around 11 million while broad consensus between historians on all continents after opening of archives hovers around 8-9 million KIAs. Now, and remember, I am not writing this for you but for those who read this discussion board, there are many Glantz’ colleague from Russian Academy Of Science (Glantz is a member there) who disagree with him. But let’s say Glantz gives the number around 14 million. His essay from Clemson (see hyperlink above) gives specifically 14 700 000 of actual KIAs, MIAs and POWs together. In first edition of When Titans Clashed he gives 11, 285, 057 as all combat losses including almost 4.5 million POWs–need calculator? Read Glantz disclaimers. But that is beyond the point anyway. The question is:

    3. Where did you get your 885 000 figure of Wehrmacht KIAs on the Eastern Front. Please, inform? No responsible historian operates with these numbers since they are absurd. Obviously, for you it is a matter of vital importance in your desperate attempt to find any redeeming qualities for Nazis as long as it is turned against Russians. So, again: two questions:

    1. Where did you get this number?
    2. Who are you? I already know probably who you are (getting warmer or… more probable) but I need you to exhibit more of yourself to make some reliable conclusion.

    So, I will keep these two questions afloat for as long as necessary.

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    • Replies: @L.K
    Projection much, Pinocchio?

    'smoothies' asks:

    Where did you get this number? Where did you get your 885 000 figure of Wehrmacht KIAs on the Eastern Front. Please, inform? No responsible historian operates with these numbers since they are absurd.

     

    Tsc, tsc, tsc... The figures I quoted from are from the ARCHIVES, Stalinist pig. Not that you really care about any of this, you are a proven liar and obfuscator.

    WTF is the matter with you? Can you at least read? Are you always drunk when posting your BS? I have already given the source!!!

    As I very clearly stated, the figures given are for up until 31 Dec. 1944. When adding those who died of wounds during the same period, we get about 1 million KIA. Clearly the final toll was a bit higher but since the war was over for Germany in early May, there is no way in hell that the final figure for kia on the Eastern Front was anywhere near 4 million. It took from 41 to the end of 44 to reach 1 million kia(deaths from disease and accidents not included)!
    Again!! and for the last time!!
    From 22 June to 31 Dec. 1944, German documents concerning the Eastern Front show the following losses:
    885.802 KIA, 3.448.180 WIA, 1.105.197 MIA(mostly pows).*
    *SOURCE(again)!!! – military historians Niklas Zetterling & Anders Frankson, who, btw, have written for Glantz journal and have sharply criticized the many errors and innacuracies re alleged German troop strenghts, casualties, etc. They give all the archival details in various articles and books.

    Can you see it now, or need new glasses??
    Also, just because irresponsible, dishonest and incompetent historians use the totally false figure of 3-4million German KIA on the Eastern front- often by just copying each other's BS- , it does not mean it is correct and it isn't.
    Many "reputable" Brit and Zamerican 'historians" do the same thing re West front battles and campaings too.
    By now.
  172. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website
    @Authenticjazzman
    " do not fit the description of cannonfodder"

    They most certainly do if they are coerced and forcibly herded, regardles of the odds, into battle by their ruthless commanders, and this is precisely what happened in the red army.

    Authenticjazzman " Mensa" society member since 1973, pro jazz artist and airborne qualified US army vet.

    They most certainly do if they are coerced and forcibly herded, regardles of the odds, into battle by their ruthless commanders, and this is precisely what happened in the red army.

    Is that what you concluded playing jazz? Did this “revelation” come to you when trying to play Summertime or Hava Nagila at the wedding?

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  173. @Authenticjazzman
    " do not fit the description of cannonfodder"

    They most certainly do if they are coerced and forcibly herded, regardles of the odds, into battle by their ruthless commanders, and this is precisely what happened in the red army.

    Authenticjazzman " Mensa" society member since 1973, pro jazz artist and airborne qualified US army vet.

    They most certainly do if they are coerced and forcibly herded, regardles of the odds, into battle by their ruthless commanders, and this is precisely what happened in the red army.

    That’s precisely what happens in respect to any conscription-based army. And again, serving in an army (with a very large number of volunteers, incidentally) organized for defending one’s country against an existential threat is nowhere near ‘cannon fodder’.

    US troops in Vietnam: cannon fodder. The North Vietnamese army and Vietcong: anti-imperialist resistance. And the odds of surviving and the alleged ruthlessness of commanders got nothing to do with it.

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  174. @Sparkon
    If the empire is on any hypothetical, even melodramatic suicide watch, then Pres. Trump's first order of business should be to unplug the Green Leeches that are sucking the life and vitality out of our system.

    Unreliable, intermittent, complicated energy sources like wind turbines and solar arrays not only drive up energy prices, but also destabilize the grid.

    At what price so-called "sustainability"?

    While they are competing against CCGTs, which are relatively cheap and easy to power up quickly there is a case for wind and solar. However, against nukes supporting the baseload, they struggle in any temperate climate (daytime load in sunny hot places with a lot of air conditioners favours solar though). The coming of electric cars is going to throw this whole debate wide open. Electric cars are going to increase average electrical demand by about 50%. The big issue is going to be when people choose to top them up. Again, in sunny places, daytime charging via solar will be the most cost effective. This implies employers offering charging facilities in car parks (supplied as an outsourced service of course). In Manchester, England on a cold rainy day in December going up the M62 across the mountains to Yorkshire it is a rather different story. No significant sunshine for months. That would imply charging at night time using nuclear baseload power at home. We are going to see horses for courses. To be fair to solar, at large scale, in the right place (the Persian Gulf), it is already the cheapest form of generation. Solar has been winning big, unsubsidized contracts at utility scale in the GCC for about two years which will push the learning curve along with or without subsidy.

    Wind without support is more debatable, anywhere. Maybe the rift valley in Kenya where there is a very reliable airflow, up in the day and down at night but at dawn and dusk that still leaves a gap.

    So no. Oil is never coming back to the way it was as King of the 25 year long raw materials cycle. The next peak around 2036 will be much more modest. Russia will need to create a modern economy or become a less effective Argentina. At the macro level, Russia’s performance has been excellent (the Central Bank in particular) but the massive focus on micro-intervention picking winners and import substitution in manufacturing is something of a loser. Think Skolkovo. The entry price to re-enter into lost glories is very high. If they must subsidize, reinforce success like space launch, software and e-tendering but not too much otherwise Elon Musk will eat their lunch.

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    • Replies: @Sparkon

    While they are competing against CCGTs, which are relatively cheap and easy to power up quickly there is a case for wind and solar.
     
    Other than for the profit and benefit of the people who are building and running these things, what is the case?

    Please don't say CO₂, climate change, Polar bears, or any of the rest of that watermelon green pseudo-scientific hooey upon which this entire scam is built, or I might start talking about the Little Ice Age again, and all those burnt witches, which is what they blamed for climate change before Arrhenius came along in the late 19th century with his theories about CO₂.

    Now, if you want to chop, or fry birds, ruin vistas, gobble up huge chunks of natural landscape, destroy habitat, create maintenance nightmares, destabilize the grid, emit nasty low frequency vibrations, enrich cronies, and send a lot of money to China for the rare earths needed for magnets in the turbines of the towering whirligigs, or for the solar panels themselves, then maybe you've got a case. But it's not a very good one from my perspective, all the more so considering that these contraptions are entirely unnecessary when we've got a world of natural fuels to burn, and all much more cheaply, in the bargain, than any of these crackpot, hare-brained, intermittent, unreliable energy schemes like wind turbines, and solar arrays.

    push the learning curve along with or without subsidy.
     
    We don't need a learning curve. We already know these crackpot energy schemes like wind and solar do not work, even with subsidies.

    Forget Solyndra already? That single solar project cost taxpayers $535 million, and probably still counting, and it failed anyway. We need cheap, abundant energy because it is the lifeblood of modern civilization. Tnere there is plenty of oil, plenty of coal, plenty of natural gas to satisfy all of our emergy needs for a very long time.

    Electric cars are going to increase average electrical demand by about 50%.
     
    Until we get much, much better batteries, electric cars are little more than toys for rich morons to tool around the block, and impress their celebrity friends, most of whom will have to get by with a Prius, which comes standard with the entire virtue-signaling package so loved in places like the People's Republic of Boulder.

    Get yourself a dog, and you're good to go.

    Please bear in mind, It is likely the nuclear power industry is behind this whole green scam from the outset, along with union busters like Maggie Thatcher, who was one of the original architects of the Great Global Warming Scare.

    Elon Musk will eat their lunch.
     
    Flavored with plenty of snake oil, no doubt. Already he's brown-nosing.

    Bottom line: Just as former president Obama promised, energy prices did in fact "skyrocket" over the last eight years, proving that Mr. Obama was no friend of poor or middle-class Americans. Nor of business, big or small.

    List of Obama's Crackpot Energy Schemes ($Taxpayer cost):

    Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*
    SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
    Solyndra ($535 million)*
    Beacon Power ($43 million)*
    Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
    SunPower ($1.2 billion)
    First Solar ($1.46 billion)
    Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
    EnerDel’s subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
    Amonix ($5.9 million)
    Fisker Automotive ($529 million)
    Abound Solar ($400 million)*
    A123 Systems ($279 million)*
    Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($700,981)*
    Johnson Controls ($299 million)
    Schneider Electric ($86 million)
    Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
    ECOtality ($126.2 million)
    Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
    Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*
    Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
    Olsen’s Crop Service and Olsen’s Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*
    Range Fuels ($80 million)*
    Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)*
    Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
    Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)*
    GreenVolts ($500,000)
    Vestas ($50 million)
    LG Chem’s subsidiary Compact Power ($151 million)
    Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
    Navistar ($39 million)
    Satcon ($3 million)*
    Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million)*
    Mascoma Corp. ($100 million)

    * Filed for bankruptcy

    Barack Obama blew over $150 billion of taxpayer money to increase renewable energy in the US by slightly over 1% of total energy consumption.

    The Institute for Energy Research reports:

    President Obama subsidized solar and other renewable energy in the United States with taxpayer money to the tune of $39 billion per year on average for the past 5 years. These massive subsidies, however, have done little to increase the contribution of solar power to the electricity generation mix as solar is expected to produce just 0.6 percent of electricity generation this year. Disregarding the cost to the American taxpayer and the failed solar projects in the United States, President Obama has pledged billions of dollars to fund solar energy development in India. On his trip to India, President Obama was hoping to bring back a deal similar to the one he made in China to peak the country’s carbon dioxide emissions by 2030. However, Prime Minister Narendra Modi rejected the President’s proposed global warming deal, realizing his priority should be to bring power to the hundreds of millions of Indians that lack access to electricity.

     

    Indeed. and the primary responsibility of President Trump should be to ensure that Americans get the most economical and reliable energy possible, even and especially if that means building many more power plants using fossil fuels, which we know how to burn cleanly, efficiently, and economically.

    No learning curve needed.
  175. Sparkon says:
    @Philip Owen
    While they are competing against CCGTs, which are relatively cheap and easy to power up quickly there is a case for wind and solar. However, against nukes supporting the baseload, they struggle in any temperate climate (daytime load in sunny hot places with a lot of air conditioners favours solar though). The coming of electric cars is going to throw this whole debate wide open. Electric cars are going to increase average electrical demand by about 50%. The big issue is going to be when people choose to top them up. Again, in sunny places, daytime charging via solar will be the most cost effective. This implies employers offering charging facilities in car parks (supplied as an outsourced service of course). In Manchester, England on a cold rainy day in December going up the M62 across the mountains to Yorkshire it is a rather different story. No significant sunshine for months. That would imply charging at night time using nuclear baseload power at home. We are going to see horses for courses. To be fair to solar, at large scale, in the right place (the Persian Gulf), it is already the cheapest form of generation. Solar has been winning big, unsubsidized contracts at utility scale in the GCC for about two years which will push the learning curve along with or without subsidy.

    Wind without support is more debatable, anywhere. Maybe the rift valley in Kenya where there is a very reliable airflow, up in the day and down at night but at dawn and dusk that still leaves a gap.

    So no. Oil is never coming back to the way it was as King of the 25 year long raw materials cycle. The next peak around 2036 will be much more modest. Russia will need to create a modern economy or become a less effective Argentina. At the macro level, Russia's performance has been excellent (the Central Bank in particular) but the massive focus on micro-intervention picking winners and import substitution in manufacturing is something of a loser. Think Skolkovo. The entry price to re-enter into lost glories is very high. If they must subsidize, reinforce success like space launch, software and e-tendering but not too much otherwise Elon Musk will eat their lunch.

    While they are competing against CCGTs, which are relatively cheap and easy to power up quickly there is a case for wind and solar.

    Other than for the profit and benefit of the people who are building and running these things, what is the case?

    Please don’t say CO₂, climate change, Polar bears, or any of the rest of that watermelon green pseudo-scientific hooey upon which this entire scam is built, or I might start talking about the Little Ice Age again, and all those burnt witches, which is what they blamed for climate change before Arrhenius came along in the late 19th century with his theories about CO₂.

    Now, if you want to chop, or fry birds, ruin vistas, gobble up huge chunks of natural landscape, destroy habitat, create maintenance nightmares, destabilize the grid, emit nasty low frequency vibrations, enrich cronies, and send a lot of money to China for the rare earths needed for magnets in the turbines of the towering whirligigs, or for the solar panels themselves, then maybe you’ve got a case. But it’s not a very good one from my perspective, all the more so considering that these contraptions are entirely unnecessary when we’ve got a world of natural fuels to burn, and all much more cheaply, in the bargain, than any of these crackpot, hare-brained, intermittent, unreliable energy schemes like wind turbines, and solar arrays.

    push the learning curve along with or without subsidy.

    We don’t need a learning curve. We already know these crackpot energy schemes like wind and solar do not work, even with subsidies.

    Forget Solyndra already? That single solar project cost taxpayers $535 million, and probably still counting, and it failed anyway. We need cheap, abundant energy because it is the lifeblood of modern civilization. Tnere there is plenty of oil, plenty of coal, plenty of natural gas to satisfy all of our emergy needs for a very long time.

    Electric cars are going to increase average electrical demand by about 50%.

    Until we get much, much better batteries, electric cars are little more than toys for rich morons to tool around the block, and impress their celebrity friends, most of whom will have to get by with a Prius, which comes standard with the entire virtue-signaling package so loved in places like the People’s Republic of Boulder.

    Get yourself a dog, and you’re good to go.

    Please bear in mind, It is likely the nuclear power industry is behind this whole green scam from the outset, along with union busters like Maggie Thatcher, who was one of the original architects of the Great Global Warming Scare.

    Elon Musk will eat their lunch.

    Flavored with plenty of snake oil, no doubt. Already he’s brown-nosing.

    Bottom line: Just as former president Obama promised, energy prices did in fact “skyrocket” over the last eight years, proving that Mr. Obama was no friend of poor or middle-class Americans. Nor of business, big or small.

    List of Obama’s Crackpot Energy Schemes ($Taxpayer cost):

    [MORE]

    Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*
    SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
    Solyndra ($535 million)*
    Beacon Power ($43 million)*
    Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
    SunPower ($1.2 billion)
    First Solar ($1.46 billion)
    Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
    EnerDel’s subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
    Amonix ($5.9 million)
    Fisker Automotive ($529 million)
    Abound Solar ($400 million)*
    A123 Systems ($279 million)*
    Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($700,981)*
    Johnson Controls ($299 million)
    Schneider Electric ($86 million)
    Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
    ECOtality ($126.2 million)
    Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
    Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*
    Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
    Olsen’s Crop Service and Olsen’s Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*
    Range Fuels ($80 million)*
    Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)*
    Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
    Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)*
    GreenVolts ($500,000)
    Vestas ($50 million)
    LG Chem’s subsidiary Compact Power ($151 million)
    Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
    Navistar ($39 million)
    Satcon ($3 million)*
    Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million)*
    Mascoma Corp. ($100 million)

    * Filed for bankruptcy

    Barack Obama blew over $150 billion of taxpayer money to increase renewable energy in the US by slightly over 1% of total energy consumption.

    The Institute for Energy Research reports:

    President Obama subsidized solar and other renewable energy in the United States with taxpayer money to the tune of $39 billion per year on average for the past 5 years. These massive subsidies, however, have done little to increase the contribution of solar power to the electricity generation mix as solar is expected to produce just 0.6 percent of electricity generation this year. Disregarding the cost to the American taxpayer and the failed solar projects in the United States, President Obama has pledged billions of dollars to fund solar energy development in India. On his trip to India, President Obama was hoping to bring back a deal similar to the one he made in China to peak the country’s carbon dioxide emissions by 2030. However, Prime Minister Narendra Modi rejected the President’s proposed global warming deal, realizing his priority should be to bring power to the hundreds of millions of Indians that lack access to electricity.

    Indeed. and the primary responsibility of President Trump should be to ensure that Americans get the most economical and reliable energy possible, even and especially if that means building many more power plants using fossil fuels, which we know how to burn cleanly, efficiently, and economically.

    No learning curve needed.

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    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    Did you actually read what I wrote. Basically I condemned wind. I did not wholly condemn solar. Subsidy has brought solar prices crashing down massively. In places where the sunshine more or less coincides with the load so storage is not an issue, it is the most economic solution now. (And will become more so). Those places are not in general advanced industrial countries. Nuclear is the only answer that does not rely on insecure fuel supplies and does not generate massive pollution. Do we disagree?

    Internal combustion engines were still for the comparatively rich into the 50's, certainly in the UK. They got cheaper. Lithium technology now has to get cheaper not better. It is doing so.
  176. L.K says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    No, for one, try smoothie’s hero, Colonel Glantz:
     
    Hey, loser, any reading comprehension issues? Don't answer, I know the answer.

    1. Probability (I omit here limit definition) is a measure of a likelihood of an event. Such as, I can measure with certain probability a number of your personal and academic properties. F.e. that you are mentally unstable has a probability (very high) approaching that of 0.9-0.95. That is very likely or very probable. The probability of you understanding even basic principles of warfare is very low or highly unlikely. I say, let's give it a number of 0.1-0.2. So, when people state "probably" they not only imply but openly state that it is likely but ..... and here comes this qualifier.

    2. Glantz, who is not my hero, but USA's ultimate authority (together with Lt.Colonel House) on Great Patriotic War refers in the snipped which you grasp as the last straw to a number of "alternative" sources such as Elnikov, as one example. Zemskov counts it as around 11 million while broad consensus between historians on all continents after opening of archives hovers around 8-9 million KIAs. Now, and remember, I am not writing this for you but for those who read this discussion board, there are many Glantz' colleague from Russian Academy Of Science (Glantz is a member there) who disagree with him. But let's say Glantz gives the number around 14 million. His essay from Clemson (see hyperlink above) gives specifically 14 700 000 of actual KIAs, MIAs and POWs together. In first edition of When Titans Clashed he gives 11, 285, 057 as all combat losses including almost 4.5 million POWs--need calculator? Read Glantz disclaimers. But that is beyond the point anyway. The question is:

    3. Where did you get your 885 000 figure of Wehrmacht KIAs on the Eastern Front. Please, inform? No responsible historian operates with these numbers since they are absurd. Obviously, for you it is a matter of vital importance in your desperate attempt to find any redeeming qualities for Nazis as long as it is turned against Russians. So, again: two questions:

    1. Where did you get this number?
    2. Who are you? I already know probably who you are (getting warmer or... more probable) but I need you to exhibit more of yourself to make some reliable conclusion.

    So, I will keep these two questions afloat for as long as necessary.

    Projection much, Pinocchio?

    ‘smoothies’ asks:

    Where did you get this number? Where did you get your 885 000 figure of Wehrmacht KIAs on the Eastern Front. Please, inform? No responsible historian operates with these numbers since they are absurd.

    Tsc, tsc, tsc… The figures I quoted from are from the ARCHIVES, Stalinist pig. Not that you really care about any of this, you are a proven liar and obfuscator.

    WTF is the matter with you? Can you at least read? Are you always drunk when posting your BS? I have already given the source!!!

    As I very clearly stated, the figures given are for up until 31 Dec. 1944. When adding those who died of wounds during the same period, we get about 1 million KIA. Clearly the final toll was a bit higher but since the war was over for Germany in early May, there is no way in hell that the final figure for kia on the Eastern Front was anywhere near 4 million. It took from 41 to the end of 44 to reach 1 million kia(deaths from disease and accidents not included)!
    Again!! and for the last time!!
    From 22 June to 31 Dec. 1944, German documents concerning the Eastern Front show the following losses:
    885.802 KIA, 3.448.180 WIA, 1.105.197 MIA(mostly pows).*
    *SOURCE(again)!!! – military historians Niklas Zetterling & Anders Frankson, who, btw, have written for Glantz journal and have sharply criticized the many errors and innacuracies re alleged German troop strenghts, casualties, etc. They give all the archival details in various articles and books.

    Can you see it now, or need new glasses??
    Also, just because irresponsible, dishonest and incompetent historians use the totally false figure of 3-4million German KIA on the Eastern front- often by just copying each other’s BS- , it does not mean it is correct and it isn’t.
    Many “reputable” Brit and Zamerican ‘historians” do the same thing re West front battles and campaings too.
    By now.

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    From 22 June to 31 Dec. 1944, German documents concerning the Eastern Front show the following losses:
    885.802 KIA, 3.448.180 WIA, 1.105.197 MIA(mostly pows).*
    *SOURCE(again)!!! – military historians Niklas Zetterling & Anders Frankson, who, btw, have written for Glantz journal and have sharply criticized the many errors and innacuracies re alleged German troop strenghts, casualties, etc. They give all the archival details in various articles and books.
     
    LOL! Ah, yes, Swedish party. Well, that pretty much explains it all. So, let me put it this way: pretty much most of what comes from Sweden and especially from her plethora of all kinds of "defense institutes" and other "academic" institutions does not sustain any critique from professional and academic point of view, in re: warfare. Unlike you, I do know the subject since dealt with it both professionally and academically. Agree, the ever-expanding revisionist wave works fine for bottom-feeders like you, who buy anything which supports one's biases and works miracles on highly uneducated people, especially ones with a weak math. So, considering that I am writing this mostly not for you but for people who read this board here it is:

    1. Per being "published" In Glantz "magazine". So, I am published by US military magazines and am currently writing a book on military power (this is not what you think) does it mean that I am supposed to take seriously calculations of some Swedish hacks who, following a fine tradition of plurality, have been published in magazine. Here is what Colonel Jonathan House (Glantz' co-author) has to say about one of their books:

    The Drive on Moscow includes ample sources from both sides of the battlefront but tends to focus on the German aspects of the story.... However, in cases of historical disagreement, the authors seem to accept the German account as being more reliable than the Soviet. Thus, for example, they downplay the 1 October battle at Mtsensk—famous in Soviet accounts as a significant victory over German armor—as a small engagement that
    only cost the Germans six tanks.
     
    You can read review here:

    http://usacac.army.mil/CAC2/MilitaryReview/Archives/English/MilitaryReview_20140430_art017.pdf

    But again, this is beyond the point. I know, Glantz knows, many Russian historians whom I know, even many run of the mill warfare buffs know what "German perspective" is. There is a reason why Swedes, whose armed forces are a joke and so is system of military education and related to it fields, including of military history and combat studies to whose representative you refer are consistently not on par with the best WW II historiography, including in the English-speaking world. So, yes, reading another re-narration of events and numbers by utterly destroyed and defeated side based only on their data makes sense exactly how? Allow me not to treat Swedish "military historical thought" on WW II seriously.

    2. Having said so. Here is the scan from latest, 2015 edition of Glantz and House seminal THE work re: numbers. Ask yourself a question why two senior US Army officers and military historians with global (I underscore this) reputation for scholarship still stick to the numbers which blow out of the water any BS, including the latest crap, you are promoting here? Here is the scan from their latest edition:

    https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-JIzYuVS2-fQ/WMrA1F_mXhI/AAAAAAAAAxM/7Lp6skwKqJMhQeLVOluhCbVqDVGrPTBwQCLcB/s1600/Glantz-House_2015.jpg

    Ask yourself a question then, why two most authoritative American military historians on Eastern Front in their latest, updated, expanded, what have you edition of a globally renown book reproduce, however updated, numbers from Earl Ziemke and same Krivosheev? I know, you don't know the answer--you waste too much time bottom feeding on all kind of "alternative history" and other crap which is widely available out there to validate you own complexes of inferiority and try to attain some other objectives which are for now beyond the scope of my response here. I will, however, give you a part of an answer--you didn't spend a day in any position of command in any armed forces and that is why, apart from what I said, you don't know shit from shinola when it comes to warfare and military history.

    3. To clarify, I use Glantz and House who are universally accepted as the golden standard in the American WW II historiography for a simple reason--this is English language and American site and that is why I do not refer to such people as Isaev, as a single example (albeit Artyom Drabkin is another case--he was published in English), who BTW challenges Glantz and Houses's numbers and methods of counting on some important operations such as Second Rzhev Offensive. Alexey has some merit to his objection and, yes, this lowers, somewhat significantly, the actual number of Soviet KIAs and losses in general. But, as I said, on the issue of losses Glantz and House are reasonably acceptable, considering their extrapolation of both German and Soviet sources and their professional military background.

    4. I ask you again, to answer the question on your background (within reasonable persec criteria)--I am not interested in you name. Ethnicity/nationality is good enough. I know that you are troll (that is why I respond to the benefit of other people who read this) and hide desperately your nationality (ethnicity, country), because this will be revealing and you know it. So, my dear, any cojones?
    , @polnishe banditen
    great article.

    and it was even more fun to watch furious amerinazi souless nitwits squeezing their lame brains only to spit some invectives.

    you are history
    and no one will cry

    greetings to mensa member, i hope you can afford another certificate to include dick size in your signature... its negative number probably as your EQ

  177. @utu

    "The Russians represented the epitome of helpless ” cannonfodder”, and no amount of twisting history can change this fact."
     
    It is very sad but true.

    I remember when I bought the Panzerblitz game years ago, it contained a campaign summary. At the end, it quoted a German general commenting on the capacity of the Red Army that he faced: “They were first-class fighters from the start, and in the end they became first-class soldiers.” Unfortunately, I can’t find the attribution for the quote, but it has stuck with me all these years. I don’t think that very many German military personnel who fought Soviet forces in World War II would have characterized them as “helpless cannon fodder.”

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  178. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website
    @L.K
    Projection much, Pinocchio?

    'smoothies' asks:

    Where did you get this number? Where did you get your 885 000 figure of Wehrmacht KIAs on the Eastern Front. Please, inform? No responsible historian operates with these numbers since they are absurd.

     

    Tsc, tsc, tsc... The figures I quoted from are from the ARCHIVES, Stalinist pig. Not that you really care about any of this, you are a proven liar and obfuscator.

    WTF is the matter with you? Can you at least read? Are you always drunk when posting your BS? I have already given the source!!!

    As I very clearly stated, the figures given are for up until 31 Dec. 1944. When adding those who died of wounds during the same period, we get about 1 million KIA. Clearly the final toll was a bit higher but since the war was over for Germany in early May, there is no way in hell that the final figure for kia on the Eastern Front was anywhere near 4 million. It took from 41 to the end of 44 to reach 1 million kia(deaths from disease and accidents not included)!
    Again!! and for the last time!!
    From 22 June to 31 Dec. 1944, German documents concerning the Eastern Front show the following losses:
    885.802 KIA, 3.448.180 WIA, 1.105.197 MIA(mostly pows).*
    *SOURCE(again)!!! – military historians Niklas Zetterling & Anders Frankson, who, btw, have written for Glantz journal and have sharply criticized the many errors and innacuracies re alleged German troop strenghts, casualties, etc. They give all the archival details in various articles and books.

    Can you see it now, or need new glasses??
    Also, just because irresponsible, dishonest and incompetent historians use the totally false figure of 3-4million German KIA on the Eastern front- often by just copying each other's BS- , it does not mean it is correct and it isn't.
    Many "reputable" Brit and Zamerican 'historians" do the same thing re West front battles and campaings too.
    By now.

    From 22 June to 31 Dec. 1944, German documents concerning the Eastern Front show the following losses:
    885.802 KIA, 3.448.180 WIA, 1.105.197 MIA(mostly pows).*
    *SOURCE(again)!!! – military historians Niklas Zetterling & Anders Frankson, who, btw, have written for Glantz journal and have sharply criticized the many errors and innacuracies re alleged German troop strenghts, casualties, etc. They give all the archival details in various articles and books.

    LOL! Ah, yes, Swedish party. Well, that pretty much explains it all. So, let me put it this way: pretty much most of what comes from Sweden and especially from her plethora of all kinds of “defense institutes” and other “academic” institutions does not sustain any critique from professional and academic point of view, in re: warfare. Unlike you, I do know the subject since dealt with it both professionally and academically. Agree, the ever-expanding revisionist wave works fine for bottom-feeders like you, who buy anything which supports one’s biases and works miracles on highly uneducated people, especially ones with a weak math. So, considering that I am writing this mostly not for you but for people who read this board here it is:

    1. Per being “published” In Glantz “magazine”. So, I am published by US military magazines and am currently writing a book on military power (this is not what you think) does it mean that I am supposed to take seriously calculations of some Swedish hacks who, following a fine tradition of plurality, have been published in magazine. Here is what Colonel Jonathan House (Glantz’ co-author) has to say about one of their books:

    The Drive on Moscow includes ample sources from both sides of the battlefront but tends to focus on the German aspects of the story…. However, in cases of historical disagreement, the authors seem to accept the German account as being more reliable than the Soviet. Thus, for example, they downplay the 1 October battle at Mtsensk—famous in Soviet accounts as a significant victory over German armor—as a small engagement that
    only cost the Germans six tanks.

    You can read review here:

    http://usacac.army.mil/CAC2/MilitaryReview/Archives/English/MilitaryReview_20140430_art017.pdf

    But again, this is beyond the point. I know, Glantz knows, many Russian historians whom I know, even many run of the mill warfare buffs know what “German perspective” is. There is a reason why Swedes, whose armed forces are a joke and so is system of military education and related to it fields, including of military history and combat studies to whose representative you refer are consistently not on par with the best WW II historiography, including in the English-speaking world. So, yes, reading another re-narration of events and numbers by utterly destroyed and defeated side based only on their data makes sense exactly how? Allow me not to treat Swedish “military historical thought” on WW II seriously.

    2. Having said so. Here is the scan from latest, 2015 edition of Glantz and House seminal THE work re: numbers. Ask yourself a question why two senior US Army officers and military historians with global (I underscore this) reputation for scholarship still stick to the numbers which blow out of the water any BS, including the latest crap, you are promoting here? Here is the scan from their latest edition:

    Ask yourself a question then, why two most authoritative American military historians on Eastern Front in their latest, updated, expanded, what have you edition of a globally renown book reproduce, however updated, numbers from Earl Ziemke and same Krivosheev? I know, you don’t know the answer–you waste too much time bottom feeding on all kind of “alternative history” and other crap which is widely available out there to validate you own complexes of inferiority and try to attain some other objectives which are for now beyond the scope of my response here. I will, however, give you a part of an answer–you didn’t spend a day in any position of command in any armed forces and that is why, apart from what I said, you don’t know shit from shinola when it comes to warfare and military history.

    3. To clarify, I use Glantz and House who are universally accepted as the golden standard in the American WW II historiography for a simple reason–this is English language and American site and that is why I do not refer to such people as Isaev, as a single example (albeit Artyom Drabkin is another case–he was published in English), who BTW challenges Glantz and Houses’s numbers and methods of counting on some important operations such as Second Rzhev Offensive. Alexey has some merit to his objection and, yes, this lowers, somewhat significantly, the actual number of Soviet KIAs and losses in general. But, as I said, on the issue of losses Glantz and House are reasonably acceptable, considering their extrapolation of both German and Soviet sources and their professional military background.

    4. I ask you again, to answer the question on your background (within reasonable persec criteria)–I am not interested in you name. Ethnicity/nationality is good enough. I know that you are troll (that is why I respond to the benefit of other people who read this) and hide desperately your nationality (ethnicity, country), because this will be revealing and you know it. So, my dear, any cojones?

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    Sniff, sniff, I smell desperation...
    Military historians Niklas Zetterling & Anders Frankson haven't just been published in some journal, but in your go-to guy, David Glantz's Journal. Is he not good enough anymore? :-)
    Mr.Glantz, not being the pathetic buffoon you are, has a very different take on the very competent and meticulous Swedish military historians.
    In fact, Glantz wrote the foreword for their study of the battle of Kursk. In it we read:

    [...]One of the most vexing aspects of the Battle of Kursk has been the absence of reliable data concerning the strength of and losses suffered by both sides in the struggle. This is all the more perplexing, since, although available, requisite materials on the German side have yet to be exploited fully. The publication of this book corrects that long-standing deficiency. Within the context of a sound chronological narrative of the battle, Zetterling and Frankson offer an imposing statistical analysis of the Battle of Kursk. By exploiting all available German archival sources, they offer a definitive view of the strength, losses, and loss rates of German forces, particularly Panzer, during the Battle of Kursk. They juxtapose this against a fair representation of like figures on the Red Army side. In doing so, the authors put to rest many of the myths concerning the battle and offer a work that superbly complements the best of new literature now appearing about the battle. One can only hope that the Russians will respond to this volume's candor by releasing appropriate data on the Red Army; but until they do, this book will justifiably remain the last word on the subject.
    David M. Glantz
    Carlisle, PA, March 2000
     
    https://www.amazon.com/Kursk-1943-Statistical-Analysis-Russian/dp/0714681032/ref=la_B0028F28T6_1_6?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1489553037&sr=1-6
    P.S. I'll end my participation in this exchange now by noting you are one of the most pathetic liars I have had the displeasure of meeting here at Unz, right there with the zionist, pro-Israel trolling crowd. BTW, your loony obsession re my humble person is really quite amusing. You are fucking out there, buddy!
    In fact, and even though it is totally irrelevant, I did answer your idiotic/nutty question re my ethnicity in another exchange we had here at Unz b4. If you weren't always in a Vodka induced drunken stupor, you might actually remember it. Now, fuck off.
  179. Che Guava says:
    @WorkingClass
    Yes of course. Thank you. My spell checker doesn't always save me.

    I am trying to think of the stupidest Hip py pretend punk titles, The Fucking Cunts Treat Us Like Shit, I can’t even remember the band name stupid Crass titles were stupid for their stupidity, and surely a step along the way to anti-free speech of now

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  180. @Sparkon

    While they are competing against CCGTs, which are relatively cheap and easy to power up quickly there is a case for wind and solar.
     
    Other than for the profit and benefit of the people who are building and running these things, what is the case?

    Please don't say CO₂, climate change, Polar bears, or any of the rest of that watermelon green pseudo-scientific hooey upon which this entire scam is built, or I might start talking about the Little Ice Age again, and all those burnt witches, which is what they blamed for climate change before Arrhenius came along in the late 19th century with his theories about CO₂.

    Now, if you want to chop, or fry birds, ruin vistas, gobble up huge chunks of natural landscape, destroy habitat, create maintenance nightmares, destabilize the grid, emit nasty low frequency vibrations, enrich cronies, and send a lot of money to China for the rare earths needed for magnets in the turbines of the towering whirligigs, or for the solar panels themselves, then maybe you've got a case. But it's not a very good one from my perspective, all the more so considering that these contraptions are entirely unnecessary when we've got a world of natural fuels to burn, and all much more cheaply, in the bargain, than any of these crackpot, hare-brained, intermittent, unreliable energy schemes like wind turbines, and solar arrays.

    push the learning curve along with or without subsidy.
     
    We don't need a learning curve. We already know these crackpot energy schemes like wind and solar do not work, even with subsidies.

    Forget Solyndra already? That single solar project cost taxpayers $535 million, and probably still counting, and it failed anyway. We need cheap, abundant energy because it is the lifeblood of modern civilization. Tnere there is plenty of oil, plenty of coal, plenty of natural gas to satisfy all of our emergy needs for a very long time.

    Electric cars are going to increase average electrical demand by about 50%.
     
    Until we get much, much better batteries, electric cars are little more than toys for rich morons to tool around the block, and impress their celebrity friends, most of whom will have to get by with a Prius, which comes standard with the entire virtue-signaling package so loved in places like the People's Republic of Boulder.

    Get yourself a dog, and you're good to go.

    Please bear in mind, It is likely the nuclear power industry is behind this whole green scam from the outset, along with union busters like Maggie Thatcher, who was one of the original architects of the Great Global Warming Scare.

    Elon Musk will eat their lunch.
     
    Flavored with plenty of snake oil, no doubt. Already he's brown-nosing.

    Bottom line: Just as former president Obama promised, energy prices did in fact "skyrocket" over the last eight years, proving that Mr. Obama was no friend of poor or middle-class Americans. Nor of business, big or small.

    List of Obama's Crackpot Energy Schemes ($Taxpayer cost):

    Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*
    SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
    Solyndra ($535 million)*
    Beacon Power ($43 million)*
    Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
    SunPower ($1.2 billion)
    First Solar ($1.46 billion)
    Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
    EnerDel’s subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
    Amonix ($5.9 million)
    Fisker Automotive ($529 million)
    Abound Solar ($400 million)*
    A123 Systems ($279 million)*
    Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($700,981)*
    Johnson Controls ($299 million)
    Schneider Electric ($86 million)
    Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
    ECOtality ($126.2 million)
    Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
    Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*
    Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
    Olsen’s Crop Service and Olsen’s Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*
    Range Fuels ($80 million)*
    Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)*
    Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
    Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)*
    GreenVolts ($500,000)
    Vestas ($50 million)
    LG Chem’s subsidiary Compact Power ($151 million)
    Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
    Navistar ($39 million)
    Satcon ($3 million)*
    Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million)*
    Mascoma Corp. ($100 million)

    * Filed for bankruptcy

    Barack Obama blew over $150 billion of taxpayer money to increase renewable energy in the US by slightly over 1% of total energy consumption.

    The Institute for Energy Research reports:

    President Obama subsidized solar and other renewable energy in the United States with taxpayer money to the tune of $39 billion per year on average for the past 5 years. These massive subsidies, however, have done little to increase the contribution of solar power to the electricity generation mix as solar is expected to produce just 0.6 percent of electricity generation this year. Disregarding the cost to the American taxpayer and the failed solar projects in the United States, President Obama has pledged billions of dollars to fund solar energy development in India. On his trip to India, President Obama was hoping to bring back a deal similar to the one he made in China to peak the country’s carbon dioxide emissions by 2030. However, Prime Minister Narendra Modi rejected the President’s proposed global warming deal, realizing his priority should be to bring power to the hundreds of millions of Indians that lack access to electricity.

     

    Indeed. and the primary responsibility of President Trump should be to ensure that Americans get the most economical and reliable energy possible, even and especially if that means building many more power plants using fossil fuels, which we know how to burn cleanly, efficiently, and economically.

    No learning curve needed.

    Did you actually read what I wrote. Basically I condemned wind. I did not wholly condemn solar. Subsidy has brought solar prices crashing down massively. In places where the sunshine more or less coincides with the load so storage is not an issue, it is the most economic solution now. (And will become more so). Those places are not in general advanced industrial countries. Nuclear is the only answer that does not rely on insecure fuel supplies and does not generate massive pollution. Do we disagree?

    Internal combustion engines were still for the comparatively rich into the 50′s, certainly in the UK. They got cheaper. Lithium technology now has to get cheaper not better. It is doing so.

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    Nuclear is the only answer that does not rely on insecure fuel supplies and does not generate massive pollution. Do we disagree?
     
    Completely. And that's also the answer to your first question.

    I remain opposed to nuclear power.

    You claim that nuclear does not generate massive pollution, but failed to mention Fukushima. In your view, a triple meltdown at a nuclear power plant does not qualify as massive pollution?


    The radiation levels at Japan's crippled Fukushima nuclear power plant are now at "unimaginable" levels
    [...]
    "The worry is with 300 tons of radioactive water going into the Pacific every day, what is that doing to the Pacific Ocean?" said Housley. He added that critics are now questioning whether the radiation has been this severe all along.

     

    http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/02/08/unimaginable-levels-radiation-fukushima-pacific-ocean-leaks

    The modern auto with its internal combustion engine is at a very high level of technological development, and engineering in terms of safety, reliability, performance, and economy, so from my frugal pragmatic perspective, I take a very dim view of expensive but poorly performing exotic technologies, which are nevertheless a good marketing fit for people with a lot of money, but not much sense.

    For me questions of tools and technology always pivot on bang-for-buck, CBE, ROI, those kinds of things encapsulated in the great word value.

    Bear in mind, even with the magnificent engineering, performance, and safety of the modern car, ingenious idiots figure out ways to crash them, kill themselves, 'maybe take out a couple other people too.

    Of course we keep those kinds of idiots a safe distance away from any nuclear power plant betcha by golly!

    Stay tuned in the ongoing saga of exploding lithium ion batteries.

    And finally, may I ask, when you say there is "a case for wind" is that how you condemn it?

  181. Sparkon says:
    @Philip Owen
    Did you actually read what I wrote. Basically I condemned wind. I did not wholly condemn solar. Subsidy has brought solar prices crashing down massively. In places where the sunshine more or less coincides with the load so storage is not an issue, it is the most economic solution now. (And will become more so). Those places are not in general advanced industrial countries. Nuclear is the only answer that does not rely on insecure fuel supplies and does not generate massive pollution. Do we disagree?

    Internal combustion engines were still for the comparatively rich into the 50's, certainly in the UK. They got cheaper. Lithium technology now has to get cheaper not better. It is doing so.

    Nuclear is the only answer that does not rely on insecure fuel supplies and does not generate massive pollution. Do we disagree?

    Completely. And that’s also the answer to your first question.

    I remain opposed to nuclear power.

    You claim that nuclear does not generate massive pollution, but failed to mention Fukushima. In your view, a triple meltdown at a nuclear power plant does not qualify as massive pollution?

    The radiation levels at Japan’s crippled Fukushima nuclear power plant are now at “unimaginable” levels
    [...]
    “The worry is with 300 tons of radioactive water going into the Pacific every day, what is that doing to the Pacific Ocean?” said Housley. He added that critics are now questioning whether the radiation has been this severe all along.

    http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/02/08/unimaginable-levels-radiation-fukushima-pacific-ocean-leaks

    The modern auto with its internal combustion engine is at a very high level of technological development, and engineering in terms of safety, reliability, performance, and economy, so from my frugal pragmatic perspective, I take a very dim view of expensive but poorly performing exotic technologies, which are nevertheless a good marketing fit for people with a lot of money, but not much sense.

    For me questions of tools and technology always pivot on bang-for-buck, CBE, ROI, those kinds of things encapsulated in the great word value.

    Bear in mind, even with the magnificent engineering, performance, and safety of the modern car, ingenious idiots figure out ways to crash them, kill themselves, ‘maybe take out a couple other people too.

    Of course we keep those kinds of idiots a safe distance away from any nuclear power plant betcha by golly!

    Stay tuned in the ongoing saga of exploding lithium ion batteries.

    And finally, may I ask, when you say there is “a case for wind” is that how you condemn it?

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    Fukushima, Chernobyl (the idiots were in the plant and at the controls) and FWIW Three Mile Island against coal mines (waste tips come sliding down mountains and destroying village schools) and tar sands and tankers (drunk idiots in those) shoaling year in year out. Nuclear comes out far cleaner. Radioactivity is very easily monitored at very low levels of biological hazard. Ten times nothing very much is still nothing very much. There is particular social sensitivity in Japan for obvious reasons. So, I don't buy that nuclear is uniquely dangerous which is why I left Friends of the Earth in 1977 after helping to start it in the UK. At the time, I didn't think much of wind and solar. I've changed my mind on solar because the data's changed by multiple orders of magnitude.

    I was damning wind with faint praise. Irony is always difficult outside one's own culture.

  182. @Art
    This is really good for lough, "business experience", hahaha, get a life he was bankrupt 5 times, he had thousands of lawsuits because he didn't pay salary for his workers, you will be surprised to see what next for you all, fasten your seatbelts because americans are going for very bumpy and rough ride.

    He didn’t have his face in the .gov feed bag for life, like all our usual career “public service” candidates.
    The Corp. USA is very bankrupt; who better to preside over the reorganization- or liquidation?

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  183. L.K says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    From 22 June to 31 Dec. 1944, German documents concerning the Eastern Front show the following losses:
    885.802 KIA, 3.448.180 WIA, 1.105.197 MIA(mostly pows).*
    *SOURCE(again)!!! – military historians Niklas Zetterling & Anders Frankson, who, btw, have written for Glantz journal and have sharply criticized the many errors and innacuracies re alleged German troop strenghts, casualties, etc. They give all the archival details in various articles and books.
     
    LOL! Ah, yes, Swedish party. Well, that pretty much explains it all. So, let me put it this way: pretty much most of what comes from Sweden and especially from her plethora of all kinds of "defense institutes" and other "academic" institutions does not sustain any critique from professional and academic point of view, in re: warfare. Unlike you, I do know the subject since dealt with it both professionally and academically. Agree, the ever-expanding revisionist wave works fine for bottom-feeders like you, who buy anything which supports one's biases and works miracles on highly uneducated people, especially ones with a weak math. So, considering that I am writing this mostly not for you but for people who read this board here it is:

    1. Per being "published" In Glantz "magazine". So, I am published by US military magazines and am currently writing a book on military power (this is not what you think) does it mean that I am supposed to take seriously calculations of some Swedish hacks who, following a fine tradition of plurality, have been published in magazine. Here is what Colonel Jonathan House (Glantz' co-author) has to say about one of their books:

    The Drive on Moscow includes ample sources from both sides of the battlefront but tends to focus on the German aspects of the story.... However, in cases of historical disagreement, the authors seem to accept the German account as being more reliable than the Soviet. Thus, for example, they downplay the 1 October battle at Mtsensk—famous in Soviet accounts as a significant victory over German armor—as a small engagement that
    only cost the Germans six tanks.
     
    You can read review here:

    http://usacac.army.mil/CAC2/MilitaryReview/Archives/English/MilitaryReview_20140430_art017.pdf

    But again, this is beyond the point. I know, Glantz knows, many Russian historians whom I know, even many run of the mill warfare buffs know what "German perspective" is. There is a reason why Swedes, whose armed forces are a joke and so is system of military education and related to it fields, including of military history and combat studies to whose representative you refer are consistently not on par with the best WW II historiography, including in the English-speaking world. So, yes, reading another re-narration of events and numbers by utterly destroyed and defeated side based only on their data makes sense exactly how? Allow me not to treat Swedish "military historical thought" on WW II seriously.

    2. Having said so. Here is the scan from latest, 2015 edition of Glantz and House seminal THE work re: numbers. Ask yourself a question why two senior US Army officers and military historians with global (I underscore this) reputation for scholarship still stick to the numbers which blow out of the water any BS, including the latest crap, you are promoting here? Here is the scan from their latest edition:

    https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-JIzYuVS2-fQ/WMrA1F_mXhI/AAAAAAAAAxM/7Lp6skwKqJMhQeLVOluhCbVqDVGrPTBwQCLcB/s1600/Glantz-House_2015.jpg

    Ask yourself a question then, why two most authoritative American military historians on Eastern Front in their latest, updated, expanded, what have you edition of a globally renown book reproduce, however updated, numbers from Earl Ziemke and same Krivosheev? I know, you don't know the answer--you waste too much time bottom feeding on all kind of "alternative history" and other crap which is widely available out there to validate you own complexes of inferiority and try to attain some other objectives which are for now beyond the scope of my response here. I will, however, give you a part of an answer--you didn't spend a day in any position of command in any armed forces and that is why, apart from what I said, you don't know shit from shinola when it comes to warfare and military history.

    3. To clarify, I use Glantz and House who are universally accepted as the golden standard in the American WW II historiography for a simple reason--this is English language and American site and that is why I do not refer to such people as Isaev, as a single example (albeit Artyom Drabkin is another case--he was published in English), who BTW challenges Glantz and Houses's numbers and methods of counting on some important operations such as Second Rzhev Offensive. Alexey has some merit to his objection and, yes, this lowers, somewhat significantly, the actual number of Soviet KIAs and losses in general. But, as I said, on the issue of losses Glantz and House are reasonably acceptable, considering their extrapolation of both German and Soviet sources and their professional military background.

    4. I ask you again, to answer the question on your background (within reasonable persec criteria)--I am not interested in you name. Ethnicity/nationality is good enough. I know that you are troll (that is why I respond to the benefit of other people who read this) and hide desperately your nationality (ethnicity, country), because this will be revealing and you know it. So, my dear, any cojones?

    Sniff, sniff, I smell desperation…
    Military historians Niklas Zetterling & Anders Frankson haven’t just been published in some journal, but in your go-to guy, David Glantz’s Journal. Is he not good enough anymore? :-)
    Mr.Glantz, not being the pathetic buffoon you are, has a very different take on the very competent and meticulous Swedish military historians.
    In fact, Glantz wrote the foreword for their study of the battle of Kursk. In it we read:

    [...]One of the most vexing aspects of the Battle of Kursk has been the absence of reliable data concerning the strength of and losses suffered by both sides in the struggle. This is all the more perplexing, since, although available, requisite materials on the German side have yet to be exploited fully. The publication of this book corrects that long-standing deficiency. Within the context of a sound chronological narrative of the battle, Zetterling and Frankson offer an imposing statistical analysis of the Battle of Kursk. By exploiting all available German archival sources, they offer a definitive view of the strength, losses, and loss rates of German forces, particularly Panzer, during the Battle of Kursk. They juxtapose this against a fair representation of like figures on the Red Army side. In doing so, the authors put to rest many of the myths concerning the battle and offer a work that superbly complements the best of new literature now appearing about the battle. One can only hope that the Russians will respond to this volume’s candor by releasing appropriate data on the Red Army; but until they do, this book will justifiably remain the last word on the subject.
    David M. Glantz
    Carlisle, PA, March 2000

    https://www.amazon.com/Kursk-1943-Statistical-Analysis-Russian/dp/0714681032/ref=la_B0028F28T6_1_6?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1489553037&sr=1-6

    P.S. I’ll end my participation in this exchange now by noting you are one of the most pathetic liars I have had the displeasure of meeting here at Unz, right there with the zionist, pro-Israel trolling crowd. BTW, your loony obsession re my humble person is really quite amusing. You are fucking out there, buddy!
    In fact, and even though it is totally irrelevant, I did answer your idiotic/nutty question re my ethnicity in another exchange we had here at Unz b4. If you weren’t always in a Vodka induced drunken stupor, you might actually remember it. Now, fuck off.

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    I’ll end my participation in this exchange now by noting you are one of the most pathetic liars I have had the displeasure of meeting here at Unz, right there with the zionist, pro-Israel trolling crowd. BTW, your loony obsession re my humble person is really quite amusing. You are fucking out there, buddy!
     
    I am not responding to you specifically (you delirium is merely a vehicle to state a valid point), as I underscored it several times before, this is for those who read this thread. I don't know why you concluded that I have any "obsession" with you while in reality, knowing that you are a troll, I just want to know a bit of your background, which you consistently refuse to provide. So, considering the fact that I don't make any secret about my background it seems only reasonable to assume that at least in discussion it is a matter of a basic courtesy to give your own. Obviously for such a troll as you are keeping it secret (of course you can make it up) is crucial.

    1. So, no answer to numbers I presented from, and I underscore 2015 edition of Glantz and House? As was expected. I will repeat again, statistical interpretations based on "methodologies" are a matter for discussion and I still don't get it why you provide 17 year old Glantz' quote about a specific, however important, episode of WW II (Battle of Kursk) when from the get go, you introduced numbers of Wehrmacht's losses, admittedly from these two Swedish "scholars" (in reality shills fro Nazi point of view of WW II) which are completely absurd and contradict dramatically the order of magnitude of German losses on the Eastern Front universally accepted, with minor caveats, by a majority of Western historians. Glantz and House are explicit in giving these numbers, which I directly scanned from their much more expanded and updated 2015 edition. They are just two out of very many historians who do not even touch the baloney those two Swedish "historians" concocted. Even Overmans gives a figure of Wehrmacht's KIAs at least three times larger than absurdity you peddle here as a reliable data. Yet, you still cannot respond to the fact why Glantz and House stick to both Ziemke's and Krivosheev's (including 2009 update) of:

    Axis Permanent Losses on Eastern Front: Wehrmacht 6,923,700 + Other 959,000 = 7, 882, 700

    A rather different picture which explains why the largest invasion in human history was first stopped and then rolled back and ended in Berlin with utter destruction of invading both force and state.

    2. You, obviously, do not understand that there is a hell of a difference between narration of any battle, which starts with the combat log (Zhurnal Boevykh Deistvii) and of its operational (and tactical) aspect. Just about anybody with moderate IQ and good writing skills can become what passes today under the title of "military historian", (i.e. Alexey Isaev is a graduate of famous Moscow Aviation Institute), numbers however--are a completely different game. In this particular case I, personally, simply am not interested in discussing here this Swedish "analysis" since, and here is the kicker, it is not only absurd numerically but contradicts in every serious operational (and tactical) sense to not just one huge outcome, which was an ultimate destruction of Axis forces, but to a spirit and logic of the Eastern Front campaign, where Wehrmacht alone sustained more than 11 million casualties + 1.72 million by other Axis forces. So, yeah, let me think if it is worth to discuss anything with "professionals" who can not freaking count. But in general, we arrive here to this important juncture of West's in general (with some obvious exceptions) difficulty to adequately assess and internalize military capabilities and the nature of the warfare, as the events of the last 15+ years so vividly demonstrated by presenting an overwhelming empirical evidence.

    So, bottom feeder, I applaud your decision to end your participation and, in this particular case either put up, such as writing your "version" of the events on the Eastern Front (if you need the address of the Central Archive of the Russian Armed Forces (MOD) I may help) or shut up. Good luck in your endeavors in your bubble.

    P.S. I still didn't get clarification on why Glantz in 2001 used word "probably" when speaking about 14 million Red Army's KIAs. The number, which ultimately, by Glantz' de facto admission never materialized. Remember an actual number? 10, 008, 434 KIAs. Yeah, "small" discrepancy in 4 million.
  184. @L.K
    Projection much, Pinocchio?

    'smoothies' asks:

    Where did you get this number? Where did you get your 885 000 figure of Wehrmacht KIAs on the Eastern Front. Please, inform? No responsible historian operates with these numbers since they are absurd.

     

    Tsc, tsc, tsc... The figures I quoted from are from the ARCHIVES, Stalinist pig. Not that you really care about any of this, you are a proven liar and obfuscator.

    WTF is the matter with you? Can you at least read? Are you always drunk when posting your BS? I have already given the source!!!

    As I very clearly stated, the figures given are for up until 31 Dec. 1944. When adding those who died of wounds during the same period, we get about 1 million KIA. Clearly the final toll was a bit higher but since the war was over for Germany in early May, there is no way in hell that the final figure for kia on the Eastern Front was anywhere near 4 million. It took from 41 to the end of 44 to reach 1 million kia(deaths from disease and accidents not included)!
    Again!! and for the last time!!
    From 22 June to 31 Dec. 1944, German documents concerning the Eastern Front show the following losses:
    885.802 KIA, 3.448.180 WIA, 1.105.197 MIA(mostly pows).*
    *SOURCE(again)!!! – military historians Niklas Zetterling & Anders Frankson, who, btw, have written for Glantz journal and have sharply criticized the many errors and innacuracies re alleged German troop strenghts, casualties, etc. They give all the archival details in various articles and books.

    Can you see it now, or need new glasses??
    Also, just because irresponsible, dishonest and incompetent historians use the totally false figure of 3-4million German KIA on the Eastern front- often by just copying each other's BS- , it does not mean it is correct and it isn't.
    Many "reputable" Brit and Zamerican 'historians" do the same thing re West front battles and campaings too.
    By now.

    great article.

    and it was even more fun to watch furious amerinazi souless nitwits squeezing their lame brains only to spit some invectives.

    you are history
    and no one will cry

    greetings to mensa member, i hope you can afford another certificate to include dick size in your signature… its negative number probably as your EQ

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  185. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website
    @L.K
    Sniff, sniff, I smell desperation...
    Military historians Niklas Zetterling & Anders Frankson haven't just been published in some journal, but in your go-to guy, David Glantz's Journal. Is he not good enough anymore? :-)
    Mr.Glantz, not being the pathetic buffoon you are, has a very different take on the very competent and meticulous Swedish military historians.
    In fact, Glantz wrote the foreword for their study of the battle of Kursk. In it we read:

    [...]One of the most vexing aspects of the Battle of Kursk has been the absence of reliable data concerning the strength of and losses suffered by both sides in the struggle. This is all the more perplexing, since, although available, requisite materials on the German side have yet to be exploited fully. The publication of this book corrects that long-standing deficiency. Within the context of a sound chronological narrative of the battle, Zetterling and Frankson offer an imposing statistical analysis of the Battle of Kursk. By exploiting all available German archival sources, they offer a definitive view of the strength, losses, and loss rates of German forces, particularly Panzer, during the Battle of Kursk. They juxtapose this against a fair representation of like figures on the Red Army side. In doing so, the authors put to rest many of the myths concerning the battle and offer a work that superbly complements the best of new literature now appearing about the battle. One can only hope that the Russians will respond to this volume's candor by releasing appropriate data on the Red Army; but until they do, this book will justifiably remain the last word on the subject.
    David M. Glantz
    Carlisle, PA, March 2000
     
    https://www.amazon.com/Kursk-1943-Statistical-Analysis-Russian/dp/0714681032/ref=la_B0028F28T6_1_6?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1489553037&sr=1-6
    P.S. I'll end my participation in this exchange now by noting you are one of the most pathetic liars I have had the displeasure of meeting here at Unz, right there with the zionist, pro-Israel trolling crowd. BTW, your loony obsession re my humble person is really quite amusing. You are fucking out there, buddy!
    In fact, and even though it is totally irrelevant, I did answer your idiotic/nutty question re my ethnicity in another exchange we had here at Unz b4. If you weren't always in a Vodka induced drunken stupor, you might actually remember it. Now, fuck off.

    I’ll end my participation in this exchange now by noting you are one of the most pathetic liars I have had the displeasure of meeting here at Unz, right there with the zionist, pro-Israel trolling crowd. BTW, your loony obsession re my humble person is really quite amusing. You are fucking out there, buddy!

    I am not responding to you specifically (you delirium is merely a vehicle to state a valid point), as I underscored it several times before, this is for those who read this thread. I don’t know why you concluded that I have any “obsession” with you while in reality, knowing that you are a troll, I just want to know a bit of your background, which you consistently refuse to provide. So, considering the fact that I don’t make any secret about my background it seems only reasonable to assume that at least in discussion it is a matter of a basic courtesy to give your own. Obviously for such a troll as you are keeping it secret (of course you can make it up) is crucial.

    1. So, no answer to numbers I presented from, and I underscore 2015 edition of Glantz and House? As was expected. I will repeat again, statistical interpretations based on “methodologies” are a matter for discussion and I still don’t get it why you provide 17 year old Glantz’ quote about a specific, however important, episode of WW II (Battle of Kursk) when from the get go, you introduced numbers of Wehrmacht’s losses, admittedly from these two Swedish “scholars” (in reality shills fro Nazi point of view of WW II) which are completely absurd and contradict dramatically the order of magnitude of German losses on the Eastern Front universally accepted, with minor caveats, by a majority of Western historians. Glantz and House are explicit in giving these numbers, which I directly scanned from their much more expanded and updated 2015 edition. They are just two out of very many historians who do not even touch the baloney those two Swedish “historians” concocted. Even Overmans gives a figure of Wehrmacht’s KIAs at least three times larger than absurdity you peddle here as a reliable data. Yet, you still cannot respond to the fact why Glantz and House stick to both Ziemke’s and Krivosheev’s (including 2009 update) of:

    Axis Permanent Losses on Eastern Front: Wehrmacht 6,923,700 + Other 959,000 = 7, 882, 700

    A rather different picture which explains why the largest invasion in human history was first stopped and then rolled back and ended in Berlin with utter destruction of invading both force and state.

    2. You, obviously, do not understand that there is a hell of a difference between narration of any battle, which starts with the combat log (Zhurnal Boevykh Deistvii) and of its operational (and tactical) aspect. Just about anybody with moderate IQ and good writing skills can become what passes today under the title of “military historian”, (i.e. Alexey Isaev is a graduate of famous Moscow Aviation Institute), numbers however–are a completely different game. In this particular case I, personally, simply am not interested in discussing here this Swedish “analysis” since, and here is the kicker, it is not only absurd numerically but contradicts in every serious operational (and tactical) sense to not just one huge outcome, which was an ultimate destruction of Axis forces, but to a spirit and logic of the Eastern Front campaign, where Wehrmacht alone sustained more than 11 million casualties + 1.72 million by other Axis forces. So, yeah, let me think if it is worth to discuss anything with “professionals” who can not freaking count. But in general, we arrive here to this important juncture of West’s in general (with some obvious exceptions) difficulty to adequately assess and internalize military capabilities and the nature of the warfare, as the events of the last 15+ years so vividly demonstrated by presenting an overwhelming empirical evidence.

    So, bottom feeder, I applaud your decision to end your participation and, in this particular case either put up, such as writing your “version” of the events on the Eastern Front (if you need the address of the Central Archive of the Russian Armed Forces (MOD) I may help) or shut up. Good luck in your endeavors in your bubble.

    P.S. I still didn’t get clarification on why Glantz in 2001 used word “probably” when speaking about 14 million Red Army’s KIAs. The number, which ultimately, by Glantz’ de facto admission never materialized. Remember an actual number? 10, 008, 434 KIAs. Yeah, “small” discrepancy in 4 million.

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  186. @Sparkon

    Nuclear is the only answer that does not rely on insecure fuel supplies and does not generate massive pollution. Do we disagree?
     
    Completely. And that's also the answer to your first question.

    I remain opposed to nuclear power.

    You claim that nuclear does not generate massive pollution, but failed to mention Fukushima. In your view, a triple meltdown at a nuclear power plant does not qualify as massive pollution?


    The radiation levels at Japan's crippled Fukushima nuclear power plant are now at "unimaginable" levels
    [...]
    "The worry is with 300 tons of radioactive water going into the Pacific every day, what is that doing to the Pacific Ocean?" said Housley. He added that critics are now questioning whether the radiation has been this severe all along.

     

    http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/02/08/unimaginable-levels-radiation-fukushima-pacific-ocean-leaks

    The modern auto with its internal combustion engine is at a very high level of technological development, and engineering in terms of safety, reliability, performance, and economy, so from my frugal pragmatic perspective, I take a very dim view of expensive but poorly performing exotic technologies, which are nevertheless a good marketing fit for people with a lot of money, but not much sense.

    For me questions of tools and technology always pivot on bang-for-buck, CBE, ROI, those kinds of things encapsulated in the great word value.

    Bear in mind, even with the magnificent engineering, performance, and safety of the modern car, ingenious idiots figure out ways to crash them, kill themselves, 'maybe take out a couple other people too.

    Of course we keep those kinds of idiots a safe distance away from any nuclear power plant betcha by golly!

    Stay tuned in the ongoing saga of exploding lithium ion batteries.

    And finally, may I ask, when you say there is "a case for wind" is that how you condemn it?

    Fukushima, Chernobyl (the idiots were in the plant and at the controls) and FWIW Three Mile Island against coal mines (waste tips come sliding down mountains and destroying village schools) and tar sands and tankers (drunk idiots in those) shoaling year in year out. Nuclear comes out far cleaner. Radioactivity is very easily monitored at very low levels of biological hazard. Ten times nothing very much is still nothing very much. There is particular social sensitivity in Japan for obvious reasons. So, I don’t buy that nuclear is uniquely dangerous which is why I left Friends of the Earth in 1977 after helping to start it in the UK. At the time, I didn’t think much of wind and solar. I’ve changed my mind on solar because the data’s changed by multiple orders of magnitude.

    I was damning wind with faint praise. Irony is always difficult outside one’s own culture.

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  187. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    North Korea is a threat to the US and the region. It has threatened to nuke the US.
    China can solve this, as it always could, in one day by threatening North Korea.
    Trump’s goal is to scare China into doing this. and I think it can work.

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  188. Christian says:
    @Tom Welsh
    "I don’t think that it can be denied that for most of the years following WWII the US had the most powerful and sophisticated navy and airforce in the world".

    Although perhaps it had some clandestine help. Readers of James Hamilton-Paterson's superb book "Empire of the Clouds" will find it hard to avoid the feeling that something very nasty was happening behind the scenes as the British aircraft industry dwindled from its peak in 1945 to disappear altogether in a few decades. On the face of it the cause was a succession of horrible government decisions, combined with incompetent management.

    But - especially after a certain amount of exposure to CIA methods - one starts to feel that there are limits to incompetence. It is well known that Britain ran out of cash in 1940-1 and had to fall back on begging for help from the USA. This was given, but not free of charge. The overt debts were finally paid off in, I think it was, 2006. Other forms of payment included the handing over of British bases all round the world, and the transfer (free of charge) of priceless technical secrets to do with radar, the jet engine, nuclear weapons, and other things.

    What if, even after 1945, British governments were forced by Washington to destroy their aircraft industry and hand over all its secrets to the USA? Before dismissing this idea out of hand, read the following two articles:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miles_M.52
    https://www.theengineer.co.uk/september-1946-the-miles-52-the-supersonic-aircraft-that-never-was/

    A great deal of the British aircraft industry was transfered to Canada.
    Culminating in the first Avro Jet Liner, the Avro Arrow interceptor and the probably most significantly the Iroquois engine.
    All of which though first rate were dismantled in face of pressure from the US. A case can be made that the Avro Arrow though extremely sophisticated was too expensive for a threat evolving into intercontinental ballistic missiles. No such case can be made for the Iroquois engine or the Jet Liner.
    State department records make clear that US pressure on Canada to dismantle its independent aerospace industry (populated with a large number of Brits) was real and not some conspiracy theory.

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    State department records make clear that US pressure on Canada to dismantle its independent aerospace industry (populated with a large number of Brits) was real and not some conspiracy theory.
     
    There was a Canadian documentary some few years back precisely about Arrow.
  189. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website
    @Christian
    A great deal of the British aircraft industry was transfered to Canada.
    Culminating in the first Avro Jet Liner, the Avro Arrow interceptor and the probably most significantly the Iroquois engine.
    All of which though first rate were dismantled in face of pressure from the US. A case can be made that the Avro Arrow though extremely sophisticated was too expensive for a threat evolving into intercontinental ballistic missiles. No such case can be made for the Iroquois engine or the Jet Liner.
    State department records make clear that US pressure on Canada to dismantle its independent aerospace industry (populated with a large number of Brits) was real and not some conspiracy theory.

    State department records make clear that US pressure on Canada to dismantle its independent aerospace industry (populated with a large number of Brits) was real and not some conspiracy theory.

    There was a Canadian documentary some few years back precisely about Arrow.

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  190. Krollchem says:
    @Anonymous
    I don't know about embarrassing but it is damned annoying.

    Anonymous SSc BSc Ph.D MD OBE member of sigma V for 30 years, former SAS special operations, multilingual polyglot, 10th dan aikido practitioner, movie star, billionaire philanthropist.

    Impressive that you are one of 5-6 people who have a 10th dan in Aikido! How did a Japanese become a SAS operations member? Thanks for the grin…

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  191. Ace says:
    @Cyrano
    I would maybe add another item to this list – suicide by ideology. If communism was ideology then capitalism is one too, even when you wrap it in fancy names like democracy for better appeal to the consumers. I think that Marx was right when he said that as an economic system matures it goes from stimulating progress, to impeding progress. Capitalism is at that stage now.

    Many of US recent wars as a main purpose had the prevention of emergence of new economic systems. They camouflage their wars as fight for “democracy” while hiding some more sinister objectives. US are not afraid of dictatorships and some other less advanced systems of governance.

    What they are most afraid is that somewhere, some new and more progressive political and economic system might emerge that will render capitalism obsolete. That’s why they try to portray capitalism as the end of evolution type of political system, to which no further improvements are possible.

    If they are so sure about it, why do they want to prevent the nations around the world from experimenting little bit in that particular field? Because they are so concerned for the well-being for that most precious of human achievements – democracy?

    Capitalism has become what they used to claim that communism was – an ideology that in order to secure its survival has to employ elements of oppression, both domestically but even more internationally.

    In the last 85 year’s what has passed for” progress” has been mindless, arrogant flailing about, including indulging in suicidal fiscal and monetary policies and bending over backward to satisfy foreigners and the blacks who despise America (cue picture of black woman wiping herself with American flag and Mexicans waiving Mexico flag on US soil). Then there’s the reckless deficit spending and the deindustrialization of the US.

    Now consider the knowing, deliberate malevolence of the left and their hatred of liberty.

    Impeding that is a sacred duty. God preserve us from people who think they know what” progress” is and weep with joy over “progressivism. ”

    Capitalism is under attack from people who adore oppression. It’s defects have been ameliorated over time and it’s benefits have been attenuated by ignorant, reckless socialist interference and bleeding. It’s the socialist pipe dream that needs to be smashed and the death throes of the social welfare model are what are scaring the Treason Class.

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    I think that the basic contradiction of capitalism is this: You need to lower the costs of production all the time to stay competitive. That means lowering the wages of the workers constantly in relative terms in order to lower production costs. Inflation comes handy – over longer periods of time it covers up stagnation of wages. But if you become too good at it – lowering the costs of production via lower wages – you kill the economy.

    If you lower the wages of the workers to the extent that you turn them into 3rd world poster boys and girls – who is going to buy your crappy product? How do you reconcile those 2 things – the need to lower the workers’ wages and at the same time to keep them high so they can afford to buy good old capitalism produced goods.

    Capitalism was never good at finding a fine balance at this – hence regular recessions – which happen when lowering of the wages proves too successful and as a result finished products pile up and there is no one who can afford to buy them.

    Your theory that Capitalism is struggling because of socialist impurities is baloney. There are only two solutions for regulating Capitalism inability to find the right amount that the workers should be paid and thus avoid recurring recessions: 1. More “socialist” regulations and 2. Wars. Take a wild guess which option US has chosen since 1941?
  192. De Gaulle says:

    VI Lenin said he would sell rope to capitalists to hang themselves.
    He was wrong, but capitalists do not make much rope or other goods.
    They sell factories to highest foreign bidder and abandon domestic workers.
    Loyalty is low in USA and President Trump sees that.
    He says he will rebuild loyalty and reward Americans.
    Many have different motives and will try to hurt him.
    Enemies are all around the President.
    He is like old Romans or English Kings who can not sleep with enemies around.

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    Why would they after all he's increased the military budget by some $56 billion, besides the billions for each service except the Coast Guard, which he cut, and that makes little sense as far as protecting the country, then you have all the social programs he's cut in his budget and trust me that's a wet dream for the neo-cons.
    He's leading us right into bankruptcy and the depression that comes with it with his cutting corporate taxes AGAIN, when he should be raising them, he should be repealing the Bush tax cuts on the top 5% closing the loopholes created for them with the off-shore accounts,no he's another "change we can believe in only most people are running out of change"...
  193. @Sparkon
    My approach is to keep reading, even when I encounter red flags like non-standard punctuation, misspelling, or statements with which I may disagree.* However, I tend to favor writers who can make their points concisely, and cogently, as you did in your closing paragraph.

    Brevity is the soul of more than just wit.

    I must now go OT briefly to comment about the strange punctuation, or typographical convention being used by you and some writers here, including the host, but excluding The Saker.

    I'm talking about this:

    that’s not any kind of *real* money these days.
     
    Where did this originate? We already have italics and bold for emphasis, as well as "quotation marks," and in some places, even underline is possible ('though not here). but this business with the bold asterisks enclosing some bold word or phrase is entirely non-standard usage that I've never encountered anywhere but here at Unz.com.

    It's not only completely non-standard, but eminently cheesy too. I suggest dropping it.

    "Real money," as you used it, was completely clear in its meaning, with no need for the bizarre emphasis, especially with italics, bold, (underline), and quotation marks already present on the standard punctuation palette of good writers.

    Standards matter too. We have them for a reason.

    As we've seen, there is a tendency, especially among younger, less educated writers trying to be cool, to assign new meanings to familiar words, like "sick." Bad English was parading around a few years ago under the euphemism Eubonics, which led to things like "Expect Great," which was, and perhaps still is, the motto of the WNBA. So far, the gals haven't taken up full contact tackle football, but if they do, let me be the first to suggest a grammatically correct motto: "Expect No Babies."

    When it comes to writing, and a "few" other things in life, we will do best to stick with the tried and true.

    If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

    'Especially when it comes to language.

    Else, Babylon.

    I think I have seen *word* in the Independent occasionally

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  194. bluedog says:
    @De Gaulle
    VI Lenin said he would sell rope to capitalists to hang themselves.
    He was wrong, but capitalists do not make much rope or other goods.
    They sell factories to highest foreign bidder and abandon domestic workers.
    Loyalty is low in USA and President Trump sees that.
    He says he will rebuild loyalty and reward Americans.
    Many have different motives and will try to hurt him.
    Enemies are all around the President.
    He is like old Romans or English Kings who can not sleep with enemies around.

    Why would they after all he’s increased the military budget by some $56 billion, besides the billions for each service except the Coast Guard, which he cut, and that makes little sense as far as protecting the country, then you have all the social programs he’s cut in his budget and trust me that’s a wet dream for the neo-cons.
    He’s leading us right into bankruptcy and the depression that comes with it with his cutting corporate taxes AGAIN, when he should be raising them, he should be repealing the Bush tax cuts on the top 5% closing the loopholes created for them with the off-shore accounts,no he’s another “change we can believe in only most people are running out of change”…

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  195. Cyrano says:
    @Ace
    In the last 85 year's what has passed for" progress" has been mindless, arrogant flailing about, including indulging in suicidal fiscal and monetary policies and bending over backward to satisfy foreigners and the blacks who despise America (cue picture of black woman wiping herself with American flag and Mexicans waiving Mexico flag on US soil). Then there's the reckless deficit spending and the deindustrialization of the US.

    Now consider the knowing, deliberate malevolence of the left and their hatred of liberty.

    Impeding that is a sacred duty. God preserve us from people who think they know what" progress" is and weep with joy over "progressivism. "

    Capitalism is under attack from people who adore oppression. It's defects have been ameliorated over time and it's benefits have been attenuated by ignorant, reckless socialist interference and bleeding. It's the socialist pipe dream that needs to be smashed and the death throes of the social welfare model are what are scaring the Treason Class.

    I think that the basic contradiction of capitalism is this: You need to lower the costs of production all the time to stay competitive. That means lowering the wages of the workers constantly in relative terms in order to lower production costs. Inflation comes handy – over longer periods of time it covers up stagnation of wages. But if you become too good at it – lowering the costs of production via lower wages – you kill the economy.

    If you lower the wages of the workers to the extent that you turn them into 3rd world poster boys and girls – who is going to buy your crappy product? How do you reconcile those 2 things – the need to lower the workers’ wages and at the same time to keep them high so they can afford to buy good old capitalism produced goods.

    Capitalism was never good at finding a fine balance at this – hence regular recessions – which happen when lowering of the wages proves too successful and as a result finished products pile up and there is no one who can afford to buy them.

    Your theory that Capitalism is struggling because of socialist impurities is baloney. There are only two solutions for regulating Capitalism inability to find the right amount that the workers should be paid and thus avoid recurring recessions: 1. More “socialist” regulations and 2. Wars. Take a wild guess which option US has chosen since 1941?

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    If you lower the wages of the workers to the extent that you turn them into 3rd world poster boys and girls – who is going to buy your crappy product? How do you reconcile those 2 things – the need to lower the workers’ wages and at the same time to keep them high so they can afford to buy good old capitalism produced goods.
     
    That's a good point, and you could add that digitalization and mechanization both mean less workers for the same output (more profits less wages).

    The solution for the last 30 years has been to square the circle through issuing debt (fake demand if it isn't productive investment) but that route also has its limits.
    , @Mao Cheng Ji

    If you lower the wages of the workers to the extent that you turn them into 3rd world poster boys and girls – who is going to buy your crappy product?
     
    It's more simple than that, actually. It doesn't matter what wage is paid, as whatever the wage there's always profit, which amounts to a certain portion of stuff produced taken out of circulation. That's why the only choices are: constant expansion (unrealistic), periodic crises of overproduction (boom-bust), or periodic wars, destroying excess product and excess capacity.
  196. Miro23 says:
    @Cyrano
    I think that the basic contradiction of capitalism is this: You need to lower the costs of production all the time to stay competitive. That means lowering the wages of the workers constantly in relative terms in order to lower production costs. Inflation comes handy – over longer periods of time it covers up stagnation of wages. But if you become too good at it – lowering the costs of production via lower wages – you kill the economy.

    If you lower the wages of the workers to the extent that you turn them into 3rd world poster boys and girls – who is going to buy your crappy product? How do you reconcile those 2 things – the need to lower the workers’ wages and at the same time to keep them high so they can afford to buy good old capitalism produced goods.

    Capitalism was never good at finding a fine balance at this – hence regular recessions – which happen when lowering of the wages proves too successful and as a result finished products pile up and there is no one who can afford to buy them.

    Your theory that Capitalism is struggling because of socialist impurities is baloney. There are only two solutions for regulating Capitalism inability to find the right amount that the workers should be paid and thus avoid recurring recessions: 1. More “socialist” regulations and 2. Wars. Take a wild guess which option US has chosen since 1941?

    If you lower the wages of the workers to the extent that you turn them into 3rd world poster boys and girls – who is going to buy your crappy product? How do you reconcile those 2 things – the need to lower the workers’ wages and at the same time to keep them high so they can afford to buy good old capitalism produced goods.

    That’s a good point, and you could add that digitalization and mechanization both mean less workers for the same output (more profits less wages).

    The solution for the last 30 years has been to square the circle through issuing debt (fake demand if it isn’t productive investment) but that route also has its limits.

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  197. @Cyrano
    I think that the basic contradiction of capitalism is this: You need to lower the costs of production all the time to stay competitive. That means lowering the wages of the workers constantly in relative terms in order to lower production costs. Inflation comes handy – over longer periods of time it covers up stagnation of wages. But if you become too good at it – lowering the costs of production via lower wages – you kill the economy.

    If you lower the wages of the workers to the extent that you turn them into 3rd world poster boys and girls – who is going to buy your crappy product? How do you reconcile those 2 things – the need to lower the workers’ wages and at the same time to keep them high so they can afford to buy good old capitalism produced goods.

    Capitalism was never good at finding a fine balance at this – hence regular recessions – which happen when lowering of the wages proves too successful and as a result finished products pile up and there is no one who can afford to buy them.

    Your theory that Capitalism is struggling because of socialist impurities is baloney. There are only two solutions for regulating Capitalism inability to find the right amount that the workers should be paid and thus avoid recurring recessions: 1. More “socialist” regulations and 2. Wars. Take a wild guess which option US has chosen since 1941?

    If you lower the wages of the workers to the extent that you turn them into 3rd world poster boys and girls – who is going to buy your crappy product?

    It’s more simple than that, actually. It doesn’t matter what wage is paid, as whatever the wage there’s always profit, which amounts to a certain portion of stuff produced taken out of circulation. That’s why the only choices are: constant expansion (unrealistic), periodic crises of overproduction (boom-bust), or periodic wars, destroying excess product and excess capacity.

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    It’s more simple than that, actually. It doesn’t matter what wage is paid, as whatever the wage there’s always profit
     
    True. At the bottom of all this there is always the profit as the granddaddy of all motivators for any economic activity. The problems arise when it comes time to divide the profit and there are so many ways to do this. Profit can be channeled back into investment in production, can be used to increase wages, can be milked by the government via taxes, and finally it can end up in the pockets of the owner of the means of production.

    Many believe that the best way to ensure a fair distribution of the profit is to let the “invisible hand” of the market decide who gets what portion of the pie. Unfortunately, that “invisible hand” is inevitably attached to the armpit of a capitalist who has a tendency to use that hand to fill up his pockets first and then consider the other options. That’s why there is such an income disparity in the US – because the “invisible hand” has been given too much freedom and can never be trusted as an impartial arbiter.

  198. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @Authenticjazzman
    "Stay within the field of expertise you claim-that is jazz"

    Look you are more than naive if you do not realize that ww2 history has been, for political reasons, rewritten a million times over since then, and fact is : the US supplied the Soviets with huge amounts of material, planes, tanks, munition, etc.
    My departed mother worked in defence production in Detroit, and she told me that on occasion there were Russian officers going through the plant with US officers.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member of forty-plus years, airborne qualified US army vet, and pro jazz artist.

    I think you cheated on your “mensa” exam lol. Using sentimental anecdotal evidence to support your argument. Well my dad said so, and my dad can beat up yours. Every time I see your bio at the end of your posts, I do not say to myself, “wow, this guy is impressive,” I say, “wow, what an insecure pretender.”

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  199. Cyrano says:
    @Mao Cheng Ji

    If you lower the wages of the workers to the extent that you turn them into 3rd world poster boys and girls – who is going to buy your crappy product?
     
    It's more simple than that, actually. It doesn't matter what wage is paid, as whatever the wage there's always profit, which amounts to a certain portion of stuff produced taken out of circulation. That's why the only choices are: constant expansion (unrealistic), periodic crises of overproduction (boom-bust), or periodic wars, destroying excess product and excess capacity.

    It’s more simple than that, actually. It doesn’t matter what wage is paid, as whatever the wage there’s always profit

    True. At the bottom of all this there is always the profit as the granddaddy of all motivators for any economic activity. The problems arise when it comes time to divide the profit and there are so many ways to do this. Profit can be channeled back into investment in production, can be used to increase wages, can be milked by the government via taxes, and finally it can end up in the pockets of the owner of the means of production.

    Many believe that the best way to ensure a fair distribution of the profit is to let the “invisible hand” of the market decide who gets what portion of the pie. Unfortunately, that “invisible hand” is inevitably attached to the armpit of a capitalist who has a tendency to use that hand to fill up his pockets first and then consider the other options. That’s why there is such an income disparity in the US – because the “invisible hand” has been given too much freedom and can never be trusted as an impartial arbiter.

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    Many believe that the best way to ensure a fair distribution of the profit is to let the “invisible hand” of the market decide who gets what portion of the pie.
     
    No, not fair/unfair; I meant it in a purely mathematical way. To simplify a bit: if workers produced 1000 cars, they are only paid enough to only buy 800 of them, because the rest goes to profits. So the capitalist now owns 200 cars. He can't use all of them himself, so he has to find a new external market to sell them, or to use them as a wage for additional workers building additional production lines - expansion.

    Either way, the economy has to keep expanding outwards or it chokes: the domestic population just doesn't have enough money to buy/consume all the things they produced. A (kind of) solution they've been practicing for a while now is credit, easy credit, but obviously it's just a short-term workaround, only leading to more problems: everyone is in debt up to wazoo, and then what?

    Well, then it's a big crash, and eventually a big war.

  200. “Many believe that the best way to ensure a fair distribution of the profit ”

    I’m sure that you, with your junior-grade God Complex, absolutely, for sure, know the true best way to fairly distribute the profits.

    There can’t be a fair “distribution” under government.

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    • Replies: @Cyrano
    You talking to me? You talking to me? Well I am the only one here. I might be junior grade, but you seem to have already graduated from the school for Gods. Sure, let’s take profit distribution from government hands and have a good old anarchy. Brilliant idea. Give that duty back to the capitalists – when was the last time they have been greedy and unfair? I think you are wasting your talents here, writing lowly comments, you should apply for chairman of the fed.
  201. Cyrano says:
    @Drapetomaniac
    "Many believe that the best way to ensure a fair distribution of the profit "

    I'm sure that you, with your junior-grade God Complex, absolutely, for sure, know the true best way to fairly distribute the profits.

    There can't be a fair "distribution" under government.

    You talking to me? You talking to me? Well I am the only one here. I might be junior grade, but you seem to have already graduated from the school for Gods. Sure, let’s take profit distribution from government hands and have a good old anarchy. Brilliant idea. Give that duty back to the capitalists – when was the last time they have been greedy and unfair? I think you are wasting your talents here, writing lowly comments, you should apply for chairman of the fed.

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    • Replies: @Drapetomaniac
    Your problem is that you believe that a world created and run by the State will continue to exist and run in an anarchist world. Not likely.

    I'm not against you having whatever kind of government you want, I just don't want any part of it.

    Unfortunately, your REAL God Complex won't allow you to reciprocate and allow me to be free from you (and all other God Complexers like you).
  202. @Cyrano

    It’s more simple than that, actually. It doesn’t matter what wage is paid, as whatever the wage there’s always profit
     
    True. At the bottom of all this there is always the profit as the granddaddy of all motivators for any economic activity. The problems arise when it comes time to divide the profit and there are so many ways to do this. Profit can be channeled back into investment in production, can be used to increase wages, can be milked by the government via taxes, and finally it can end up in the pockets of the owner of the means of production.

    Many believe that the best way to ensure a fair distribution of the profit is to let the “invisible hand” of the market decide who gets what portion of the pie. Unfortunately, that “invisible hand” is inevitably attached to the armpit of a capitalist who has a tendency to use that hand to fill up his pockets first and then consider the other options. That’s why there is such an income disparity in the US – because the “invisible hand” has been given too much freedom and can never be trusted as an impartial arbiter.

    Many believe that the best way to ensure a fair distribution of the profit is to let the “invisible hand” of the market decide who gets what portion of the pie.

    No, not fair/unfair; I meant it in a purely mathematical way. To simplify a bit: if workers produced 1000 cars, they are only paid enough to only buy 800 of them, because the rest goes to profits. So the capitalist now owns 200 cars. He can’t use all of them himself, so he has to find a new external market to sell them, or to use them as a wage for additional workers building additional production lines – expansion.

    Either way, the economy has to keep expanding outwards or it chokes: the domestic population just doesn’t have enough money to buy/consume all the things they produced. A (kind of) solution they’ve been practicing for a while now is credit, easy credit, but obviously it’s just a short-term workaround, only leading to more problems: everyone is in debt up to wazoo, and then what?

    Well, then it’s a big crash, and eventually a big war.

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    • Replies: @utu
    Not a good argument, comrade. Does it follow from your argument that only 800 cars should be produced? The extra 200 cars must be sold to pay salary for the workers (and yes the profit for the owner) that made 1000 cars so they can (eventually) purchase the 800. Or do you argue that buying power of workers must be as high so they have a potential of purchasing the total output of their production?
  203. Ace says:
    @Art
    This is really good for lough, "business experience", hahaha, get a life he was bankrupt 5 times, he had thousands of lawsuits because he didn't pay salary for his workers, you will be surprised to see what next for you all, fasten your seatbelts because americans are going for very bumpy and rough ride.

    I doubt that Trump personally went bankrupt five times. I think he structured those five ventures so that they were isolated from his personal assets. Not all business ventures succeed and for one to fail is not a reflection of a moral or business judgment deficiency.

    “Thousands” of lawsuits for unpaid wages seems unlikely. It’s my unsubstantiated opinion that Trump treats employees well.

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  204. utu says:
    @Mao Cheng Ji

    Many believe that the best way to ensure a fair distribution of the profit is to let the “invisible hand” of the market decide who gets what portion of the pie.
     
    No, not fair/unfair; I meant it in a purely mathematical way. To simplify a bit: if workers produced 1000 cars, they are only paid enough to only buy 800 of them, because the rest goes to profits. So the capitalist now owns 200 cars. He can't use all of them himself, so he has to find a new external market to sell them, or to use them as a wage for additional workers building additional production lines - expansion.

    Either way, the economy has to keep expanding outwards or it chokes: the domestic population just doesn't have enough money to buy/consume all the things they produced. A (kind of) solution they've been practicing for a while now is credit, easy credit, but obviously it's just a short-term workaround, only leading to more problems: everyone is in debt up to wazoo, and then what?

    Well, then it's a big crash, and eventually a big war.

    Not a good argument, comrade. Does it follow from your argument that only 800 cars should be produced? The extra 200 cars must be sold to pay salary for the workers (and yes the profit for the owner) that made 1000 cars so they can (eventually) purchase the 800. Or do you argue that buying power of workers must be as high so they have a potential of purchasing the total output of their production?

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    • Replies: @Mao Cheng Ji

    Does it follow from your argument that only 800 cars should be produced? [...] Or do you argue that buying power of workers must be as high so they have a potential of purchasing the total output of their production?
     
    No, it doesn't follow, nor do I argue anything.

    I'm just describing how the existing system works, that's all.
  205. @Cyrano
    You talking to me? You talking to me? Well I am the only one here. I might be junior grade, but you seem to have already graduated from the school for Gods. Sure, let’s take profit distribution from government hands and have a good old anarchy. Brilliant idea. Give that duty back to the capitalists – when was the last time they have been greedy and unfair? I think you are wasting your talents here, writing lowly comments, you should apply for chairman of the fed.

    Your problem is that you believe that a world created and run by the State will continue to exist and run in an anarchist world. Not likely.

    I’m not against you having whatever kind of government you want, I just don’t want any part of it.

    Unfortunately, your REAL God Complex won’t allow you to reciprocate and allow me to be free from you (and all other God Complexers like you).

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    • Replies: @Cyrano
    In comparison to you and the nonsense that you spew, almost everyone possesses Godlike qualities.
  206. @utu
    Not a good argument, comrade. Does it follow from your argument that only 800 cars should be produced? The extra 200 cars must be sold to pay salary for the workers (and yes the profit for the owner) that made 1000 cars so they can (eventually) purchase the 800. Or do you argue that buying power of workers must be as high so they have a potential of purchasing the total output of their production?

    Does it follow from your argument that only 800 cars should be produced? [...] Or do you argue that buying power of workers must be as high so they have a potential of purchasing the total output of their production?

    No, it doesn’t follow, nor do I argue anything.

    I’m just describing how the existing system works, that’s all.

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  207. Cyrano says:
    @Drapetomaniac
    Your problem is that you believe that a world created and run by the State will continue to exist and run in an anarchist world. Not likely.

    I'm not against you having whatever kind of government you want, I just don't want any part of it.

    Unfortunately, your REAL God Complex won't allow you to reciprocate and allow me to be free from you (and all other God Complexers like you).

    In comparison to you and the nonsense that you spew, almost everyone possesses Godlike qualities.

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  208. jx37 says:

    “Not everything is about an economic theory, right?” Clinton asked her audience of a few hundred activists, most of them wearing T-shirts from the unions that had promoted the rally. “If we broke up the big banks tomorrow — and I will, if they deserve it, if they pose a systemic risk, I will — would that end racism? Would that end sexism?” Would that end discrimination against the LGBT community? Would that make people feel more welcoming to immigrants overnight?”

    The system summarized.

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    • Replies: @utu
    This is exactly why the identity politics was invented to replace the economic issues. People on the left ate it up and do not realize they are helping the oligarchy and neoliberalism. What would TBTB do w/o the useful idiots?
  209. utu says:
    @jx37
    "Not everything is about an economic theory, right?" Clinton asked her audience of a few hundred activists, most of them wearing T-shirts from the unions that had promoted the rally. "If we broke up the big banks tomorrow — and I will, if they deserve it, if they pose a systemic risk, I will — would that end racism? Would that end sexism?" Would that end discrimination against the LGBT community? Would that make people feel more welcoming to immigrants overnight?"

    The system summarized.

    This is exactly why the identity politics was invented to replace the economic issues. People on the left ate it up and do not realize they are helping the oligarchy and neoliberalism. What would TBTB do w/o the useful idiots?

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  210. the US military was never a very impressive one, certainly not when compared to the British, Russian or German ones.

    The Russian military hasn’t been a truly impressive fighting force since the 18th century. They won two defensive wars – one against France and one against the Germans – because in both cases the attackers overtaxed their resources, and never had a clear strategy what they were trying to accomplish. The Russian Army performed well against substandard Ottoman and Austrian troops, and that is about it. The Crimean war was an embarrassment, the 1905 war against Japan was a farce, in WWI the Germans smashed the Russians in almost every encounter, and even in WWII the Germans killed far more Soviets than Soviets killed Germans. Since WWII the Russians performed badly in Afghanistan and still suffer from massive corruption and incompetence in the officer corps, kind of a Russian tradition. Even against the Chinese, in 1969, the Russian troops were “degenerate and decadent”, if you believe the Chinese version of events.

    To be fair, the German military tradition is also overrated. Basically Prussia was a military power, and the rest of Germany was decent under Prussian leadership. Even Austrian troops fought well under Prussian officers. Since Prussia was dissolved in 1945, the German military has degenerated back to Holy Roman Empire levels of apathy and incompetence.

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    • Replies: @Mao Cheng Ji

    They won two defensive wars – one against France and one against the Germans – because in both cases the attackers overtaxed their resources, and never had a clear strategy what they were trying to accomplish.
     
    Well, winning defensive wars is exactly what counts, and crediting it to the attackers' poor strategy sounds tendentious. Although, in the end Russia did expand a lot too, unlike, say, Poland, which also had (and still does) serious imperial ambitions.

    I do tend to agree, however, that the expansion is not a function of the armed forces... It's something else. General attitude to life, the appeal of culture. Je ne sais quoi... What they call 'soft power' nowadays... The Germans, for example, certainly lack it, so they have to rely on the armed forces or (these days) bribery, and they still fail. And Americans have the worst soldiers (according to Vonnegut's Slaughterhouse-Five), and they still mostly succeed...
    , @Andrei Martyanov

    because in both cases the attackers overtaxed their resources, and never had a clear strategy what they were trying to accomplish.
     
    LOL!

    They won two defensive wars
     
    You meant of course strategic defensive operations. I'll give you a hint, for Wehrmacht or Napoleon those were not defensive wars from the start. By the time Russians got to Paris or Berlin, guess from three times what wars Wehrmacht or Napoleon were fighting? Maybe offensively-defensive or defensively-offensive, or maybe phony wars. I don't know how to live my life after this;)) Your military "insights" are rather... just turned my (and not my only) world upside down.
  211. @Cyrano
    Hey bud, let me level with you. You can’t fight “better” and lose a war. The Germans knew what they were getting into, it’s not like Russians tricked them into believing that there were less of them and then unfairly won the war based on superior numbers of which the Germans didn’t know beforehand. Despite the odds the Germans thought they were better – they were not. End of story.

    Another topic – Do you think Americans think they can do better? I don’t believe that they believe this. The supposed best army in the universe wouldn’t need another 27 allies to confront Russia if they had such confidence in their capabilities.

    You know what Khrushchev – who has to be my favorite Ukrainian of all times – said to the Americans? “Don’t threaten us, because we’re going to hit you so hard, you’re going to forget your own name”.

    You can’t fight “better” and lose a war.

    Bullshit. The Serbs fought much, much better than the Austrians in WWI but still lost in the end. Numbers and resources are what count over time.

    Hell, plenty of people will still you tell you the Confederacy fought better than the North.

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    • Replies: @Cyrano
    As I said before, the purpose of a war is to win, not to leave a good artistic impression. Result is what counts and absolutely nothing else.
  212. @Peter Akuleyev
    the US military was never a very impressive one, certainly not when compared to the British, Russian or German ones.

    The Russian military hasn't been a truly impressive fighting force since the 18th century. They won two defensive wars - one against France and one against the Germans - because in both cases the attackers overtaxed their resources, and never had a clear strategy what they were trying to accomplish. The Russian Army performed well against substandard Ottoman and Austrian troops, and that is about it. The Crimean war was an embarrassment, the 1905 war against Japan was a farce, in WWI the Germans smashed the Russians in almost every encounter, and even in WWII the Germans killed far more Soviets than Soviets killed Germans. Since WWII the Russians performed badly in Afghanistan and still suffer from massive corruption and incompetence in the officer corps, kind of a Russian tradition. Even against the Chinese, in 1969, the Russian troops were "degenerate and decadent", if you believe the Chinese version of events.

    To be fair, the German military tradition is also overrated. Basically Prussia was a military power, and the rest of Germany was decent under Prussian leadership. Even Austrian troops fought well under Prussian officers. Since Prussia was dissolved in 1945, the German military has degenerated back to Holy Roman Empire levels of apathy and incompetence.

    They won two defensive wars – one against France and one against the Germans – because in both cases the attackers overtaxed their resources, and never had a clear strategy what they were trying to accomplish.

    Well, winning defensive wars is exactly what counts, and crediting it to the attackers’ poor strategy sounds tendentious. Although, in the end Russia did expand a lot too, unlike, say, Poland, which also had (and still does) serious imperial ambitions.

    I do tend to agree, however, that the expansion is not a function of the armed forces… It’s something else. General attitude to life, the appeal of culture. Je ne sais quoi… What they call ‘soft power’ nowadays… The Germans, for example, certainly lack it, so they have to rely on the armed forces or (these days) bribery, and they still fail. And Americans have the worst soldiers (according to Vonnegut’s Slaughterhouse-Five), and they still mostly succeed…

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    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    The Germans used to have plenty of soft power, and over centuries were able to extend German culture well into the East. Up until 1945 German was the language of power in the Baltics, was widely spoken in Hungary and Romania, was a dominant language in most Polish large towns, and there were of course large pockets of German speakers in Russia. Anyone who wanted to study engineering, the hard sciences or military science generally learned German. And Yiddish speaking Jews were in many ways an arm of German soft power. Hitler's greatest crime, from the German point of view, is that he ended up destroying that soft power, and handed Central Europe over to the Russians, who then handed it over to the Anglo-American global culture.
  213. Cyrano says:
    @Peter Akuleyev
    You can’t fight “better” and lose a war.

    Bullshit. The Serbs fought much, much better than the Austrians in WWI but still lost in the end. Numbers and resources are what count over time.

    Hell, plenty of people will still you tell you the Confederacy fought better than the North.

    As I said before, the purpose of a war is to win, not to leave a good artistic impression. Result is what counts and absolutely nothing else.

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    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    Sure. So then you might agree that results often have little to do with how "impressive" your military is.
  214. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website
    @Peter Akuleyev
    the US military was never a very impressive one, certainly not when compared to the British, Russian or German ones.

    The Russian military hasn't been a truly impressive fighting force since the 18th century. They won two defensive wars - one against France and one against the Germans - because in both cases the attackers overtaxed their resources, and never had a clear strategy what they were trying to accomplish. The Russian Army performed well against substandard Ottoman and Austrian troops, and that is about it. The Crimean war was an embarrassment, the 1905 war against Japan was a farce, in WWI the Germans smashed the Russians in almost every encounter, and even in WWII the Germans killed far more Soviets than Soviets killed Germans. Since WWII the Russians performed badly in Afghanistan and still suffer from massive corruption and incompetence in the officer corps, kind of a Russian tradition. Even against the Chinese, in 1969, the Russian troops were "degenerate and decadent", if you believe the Chinese version of events.

    To be fair, the German military tradition is also overrated. Basically Prussia was a military power, and the rest of Germany was decent under Prussian leadership. Even Austrian troops fought well under Prussian officers. Since Prussia was dissolved in 1945, the German military has degenerated back to Holy Roman Empire levels of apathy and incompetence.

    because in both cases the attackers overtaxed their resources, and never had a clear strategy what they were trying to accomplish.

    LOL!

    They won two defensive wars

    You meant of course strategic defensive operations. I’ll give you a hint, for Wehrmacht or Napoleon those were not defensive wars from the start. By the time Russians got to Paris or Berlin, guess from three times what wars Wehrmacht or Napoleon were fighting? Maybe offensively-defensive or defensively-offensive, or maybe phony wars. I don’t know how to live my life after this;)) Your military “insights” are rather… just turned my (and not my only) world upside down.

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    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    I think you are having a stroke? Or perhaps you are simply illiterate?
  215. @Andrei Martyanov

    because in both cases the attackers overtaxed their resources, and never had a clear strategy what they were trying to accomplish.
     
    LOL!

    They won two defensive wars
     
    You meant of course strategic defensive operations. I'll give you a hint, for Wehrmacht or Napoleon those were not defensive wars from the start. By the time Russians got to Paris or Berlin, guess from three times what wars Wehrmacht or Napoleon were fighting? Maybe offensively-defensive or defensively-offensive, or maybe phony wars. I don't know how to live my life after this;)) Your military "insights" are rather... just turned my (and not my only) world upside down.

    I think you are having a stroke? Or perhaps you are simply illiterate?

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    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov

    I think you are having a stroke? Or perhaps you are simply illiterate?
     
    No, I am having a blast;) I understand you don't respect anyone but at least respect yourself before writing a load of shit on the subject you have no clue about. I may suggest you try to express your opinions on Gastroenterology or OBGYN, or Quantum Mechanics discussion boards--I am sure they will also appreciate your "insights". Indeed, why not? Does it even matter where to demonstrate your complete ignorance?
  216. @Cyrano
    As I said before, the purpose of a war is to win, not to leave a good artistic impression. Result is what counts and absolutely nothing else.

    Sure. So then you might agree that results often have little to do with how “impressive” your military is.

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    • Replies: @Cyrano
    It’s not that difficult to be “impressed” by some army performance if you are already biased towards them. As I said before, results are what counts, not someone’s biased opinions. I would rather have my country achieve unremarkable victory, than look glorious in defeat.
  217. @Mao Cheng Ji

    They won two defensive wars – one against France and one against the Germans – because in both cases the attackers overtaxed their resources, and never had a clear strategy what they were trying to accomplish.
     
    Well, winning defensive wars is exactly what counts, and crediting it to the attackers' poor strategy sounds tendentious. Although, in the end Russia did expand a lot too, unlike, say, Poland, which also had (and still does) serious imperial ambitions.

    I do tend to agree, however, that the expansion is not a function of the armed forces... It's something else. General attitude to life, the appeal of culture. Je ne sais quoi... What they call 'soft power' nowadays... The Germans, for example, certainly lack it, so they have to rely on the armed forces or (these days) bribery, and they still fail. And Americans have the worst soldiers (according to Vonnegut's Slaughterhouse-Five), and they still mostly succeed...

    The Germans used to have plenty of soft power, and over centuries were able to extend German culture well into the East. Up until 1945 German was the language of power in the Baltics, was widely spoken in Hungary and Romania, was a dominant language in most Polish large towns, and there were of course large pockets of German speakers in Russia. Anyone who wanted to study engineering, the hard sciences or military science generally learned German. And Yiddish speaking Jews were in many ways an arm of German soft power. Hitler’s greatest crime, from the German point of view, is that he ended up destroying that soft power, and handed Central Europe over to the Russians, who then handed it over to the Anglo-American global culture.

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    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @Mao Cheng Ji
    Nah, I disagree. Austrians do have some charm (Sissi, and all that) , Bavarians certainly do, but the culture of those we think of as (typical) 'Germans' these days - nah, I don't think so. And even less so Swiss Germans. In my experience, anyway.
  218. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website
    @Peter Akuleyev
    I think you are having a stroke? Or perhaps you are simply illiterate?

    I think you are having a stroke? Or perhaps you are simply illiterate?

    No, I am having a blast;) I understand you don’t respect anyone but at least respect yourself before writing a load of shit on the subject you have no clue about. I may suggest you try to express your opinions on Gastroenterology or OBGYN, or Quantum Mechanics discussion boards–I am sure they will also appreciate your “insights”. Indeed, why not? Does it even matter where to demonstrate your complete ignorance?

    Read More
  219. @Peter Akuleyev
    The Germans used to have plenty of soft power, and over centuries were able to extend German culture well into the East. Up until 1945 German was the language of power in the Baltics, was widely spoken in Hungary and Romania, was a dominant language in most Polish large towns, and there were of course large pockets of German speakers in Russia. Anyone who wanted to study engineering, the hard sciences or military science generally learned German. And Yiddish speaking Jews were in many ways an arm of German soft power. Hitler's greatest crime, from the German point of view, is that he ended up destroying that soft power, and handed Central Europe over to the Russians, who then handed it over to the Anglo-American global culture.

    Nah, I disagree. Austrians do have some charm (Sissi, and all that) , Bavarians certainly do, but the culture of those we think of as (typical) ‘Germans’ these days – nah, I don’t think so. And even less so Swiss Germans. In my experience, anyway.

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  220. Cyrano says:
    @Peter Akuleyev
    Sure. So then you might agree that results often have little to do with how "impressive" your military is.

    It’s not that difficult to be “impressed” by some army performance if you are already biased towards them. As I said before, results are what counts, not someone’s biased opinions. I would rather have my country achieve unremarkable victory, than look glorious in defeat.

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