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As these things go, it was not too bad. One idiot in a car murdered 3 people, with 7 more in a critical condition who may die, at least 40 with terrible injuries, and many more people traumatized. Crowds of tourists ran away from the place of slaughter at Westminster Bridge.

Earth has not anything to show more foul.

From the terrorists’ point of view, they got lots of publicity for minimal outlay, the economics of a Spam email.

The first casualty of terrorism is innocence. Despite bombings, London retains a trusting perspective, a relic of a former age, when it relied on an unarmed police force, on the assumption that nothing else was required. Seen from a generational point of view, England became more peaceful than the Continent in the late Middle Ages, a change usually attributed to Common Law, on the basis that a well-functioning legal system relieves victims of the motivation to wreak their own revenge. Citizens gave up their personal weapons a century ago, and took up politeness, already a national habit.

Years ago a neighbour, woken at night by the sounds of a thief breaking into my car in the street below, leaned out of her bedroom window and asked him: “Can I help you?” in an accusing tone of voice. “And do you know what?” she continued, affronted, “he glared at me before he ran away”.

The event in Westminster, while unpredicted, became predictable as it unfolded. Pedestrians were knocked down and crushed, and then a policeman stabbed to death, until the assailant was shot dead. A script has been laid out for aspiring Jihadis: use a car or lorry as a weapon to kill the public, and then die in a supposed blaze of glory. It is a simple, destructive meme, easily propagated, all too readily believed.

BBC television coverage was informative, repetitive, often using snatches of videotape out of time context in a sloppy way; and too keen to interview other journalists, and eventually prone to hyperbole: “an attack on the heart of our democracy”. Of course Parliament is a symbol, but a policeman stabbed anywhere in London is an affront to a peaceful society. Being held out of harm’s way in a Parliamentary office is very stressful, but no ordeal compared to those shattered on Westminster Bridge.

As the event unfolded the kabuki-like circumspection of BBC reporting began to grate on my nerves, whilst I also respect the need for caution until facts are in. However, in the modern world the facts come in fast and furious. I got the first news on a tweet, something like: “I have just seen a man shot outside Parliament” and then went to the BBC website to be told only that, as breaking news, there had been an incident related to Parliament, and nothing else. The first account I saw came from Radoslaw Sikorsky, with a video of the mayhem and injuries on the bridge, and a clear account of what he had witnessed, and a recording of the taxi driver contacting the emergency services, clearly and calmly. As a consequence, one part of the story was already clear, widely available, and blindingly obvious. TV news was just playing catch up. For a long while the news reported that there had been two incidents, one on the bridge and the other outside Parliament, even though the incidents were separated by about 60 yards and at the most a few minutes. Circumspect, but a bit silly.

Reporters talked primly about things they had seen “on social media” but when that included live recordings of events they eventually included them in their broadcasts. Citizens were the victims and also the first attenders and the first reporters. Still, I respect official reporters for keeping their distance from the dead and dying, and not jumping to conclusions. The audience can wait: their needs are not paramount.

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“I will not speculate” said the Police spokesman some hours later. Fine, we understand that if there is a trial you do not want to provide any surviving assailant with a defence. However, one day I hope they will be able to say: “Our preliminary hypothesis, based on modus operandi and appearance, is that this is yet another Jihadi, of which there are potentially so many”.

For a while there was a swirl of rumour reported on TV that the dark-skinned assailant had been accompanied by a white man carrying two knives. A Member of Parliament whose staff had seen the incident from their office window said that they had seen no such thing, but the “other assailant” theory ran for a while. It may be a Piagetian equivalence: if bad things happen to lots of people there must have been lots of bad men. No, an idiot with a large vehicle can kill many people, and still be a single idiot. One man can shoot John Fitzgerald Kennedy dead, even though he is much more important than Jason David Tippit, whom he also shot dead.

It was impossible not to notice, in the midst of the mayhem, how some witnesses were more able to describe what had happened than others. It was not only the profound emotions, but the task of explaining to those who did not know the Parliamentary buildings and the terrain, and where they were going, and at what time. Explaining requires a good theory of mind: what is obvious to you will not be so to your listener. This is well known in disaster research. Some witnesses just name who they were with, others state the relationship for the benefit of the listener.

It is highly irritating to hear journalists say of fleeing pedestrians that they were in a state of “panic”. Running away from a terrorist stabbing people is exactly what any sensible person should do. In true panic pedestrians would be running towards the assailant, or waiting to be told what to do, or checking their baggage. Being absolutely calm and staying within stabbing distance is not a wise policy. People were frightened, very frightened and that was a very sensible reaction.

It is only my lay impression, but Carriage Gate (the entrance where the assailant stabbed and killed the policeman) will need to be reviewed. It seems that every time I drive past, the gates are always open. I doubt that unarmed police could cope with both a vehicle ramming in and a group of armed men pushing in at the same time. Also, Westminster tube station had no way of knowing what was happening on their doorstep until an MP told them, on no authority other than her good sense, to close the station to new arrivals. That needs a review.

This morning the news revealed that 8 people have been arrested, many in Birmingham, where a few wards of the city are disproportionate suppliers of Jihadis. Community leaders made the usual comments about the need not to alienate those local communities. What is the subtext to those cautionary statements? The implied threat is that alienating the community from which assailants are drawn will make them increase the supply.

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Was it a failure not to have spotted this guy, described as “British born”, by which of course they mean “born in Britain, but not British as you would be used to think of it”? He had been on the radar of the security services, but was judged peripheral. In my view, no real failure. There are too many Muslim men talking Jihad to be able to spot the one that turns from preparation to the completed act. There is little doubt as to the group one should be monitoring. This is a time for Bayes, not wishful balderdash. Concentrate on the source of supply and you reduce the false positives, though you can never be sure of identifying the signal in a cacophony of hostile noise.

What can one say about the “militant and proselytizing faith of Islam”? I will leave that to a statesman who made his reputation defending freedom.

How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen; all know how to die; but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome.
Winston Churchill. The River War: An Historical Account of the Reconquest of the Soudan (1899), Volume II pp. 248–250

Strange to see his statue apparently witnessing the event from a few yards away.

Driving into London last night everything seemed as before. Restaurants were in full flow, though with fewer people outside because it was a cold evening. It was personally reported to me that many Government employees regarded “lockdown” as an imported absurdity, and let themselves out of the back doors of their departments so as to carry on with their engagements, walking along Whitehall and the Strand in order to do so. Other offices declared “lockdown” because it seemed fashionable, but staff went out from side entrances to get coffees anyway, despite it taking them closer to the scene of the event. The London Eye (large Ferris wheel) was not only stopped, but people were left in it. Sure, don’t let new people on, but why not let people off? It would be good to let citizens make their own risk assessments, and not ensure that these tragic and terrible events become an excuse for widespread paralysis of city life. Returning by car after dinner took a bit longer, because the roads near Parliament were still closed, but everything was peaceful.

The river glideth at his own sweet will:
Dear God! the very houses seem asleep;
And all that mighty heart is lying still!

 
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  1. For if they do these things in a green tree, what shall be done in the dry?

    One day the jihadis will get their hands on weapons of mass destruction sufficient to create more than “incidents”.

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    • Replies: @tjm
    yes, then they can do to us what we have been doing to them, at the behest of the Zionists
    , @Dave Pinsen
    That was the logic behind the invasion of Iraq, but in reality, they seem to have gone in the opposite direction.

    These aren't James Bond villains; they are angry men from a backward culture. They are limited to the Western technology they have access to. They no longer have access to the cockpits of jetliners, but, they still have access to knives and cars and trucks. Maybe they're trying to do as much damage as possible before governments mandate self-driving vehicles.
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  2. jim jones says:

    I was hoping that a few politicians had been killed, especially the ex-Home Secretary who let so many Muslims in.

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    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    It's not just the ex-Home Secretarty, Muslim immigration to Britain has been over the top for decades.

    What a shame Tony Blair wasn't out taking a stroll along the bridge to get some air and clear his head, although tonnes of congealed blood would take some clearing. The world would be a far better place if most of the pigs at the parliamentary trough met a swift and karmic end to their corrupt and deadly existences.

    Funny how when one nut does something nutty it's terrorism but when a team of professional, state-funded and trained killers obliterate dozens of people attending a wedding ceremony or similar it's merely a tragic accident.

    I can't help feeling that as the British people go about their business without a care about the war crimes the government is committing in various parts of the world they can only expect more to come. The British people certainly have a lot more blood on their collective hands than do the Iraqis, Libyans or Syrians.

    Sadly, I was unable to finish the article because once I got to the part about the lone gunman, LH Oswald shooting down JFK the author, like the BBC, lost all credibility and I came straight to the comments.
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  3. Based on the pathetic response of the British political and religious leadership, I’m going long on an Islamic Kingdom in the British Isles by 2050.

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    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    If you placed that bet at Ladbroke's and won, could you collect, or would gambling be against the law?
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  4. Very insightful,especially Sir Winston’s warnings. I loved the “mad dog” reference because I tell my friends if countries were animals, Muslim countries would be mad dogs.

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    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky

    I tell my friends if countries were animals, Muslim countries would be mad dogs.
     
    Well, that's ridiculous. Obviously, the mad dog would be the U.S.A. There is no country on the current world scene remotely comparable.
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  5. Pilemon says:

    Winston Churchill, for all his great achievements, was not a recognised authority on Islam. The fact that it is him that you quote indicates that you are not either.

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    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    Churchill may not have been a "recognized authority" (by whom?) as you put it, but he was good a rendering a picture of what he saw. Sometimes he used a brush and oils, sometimes a pen and words.
    , @Alden
    Churchill may not have been an authority on Islam but he wrote about what he observed. There is a major difference between religious Islam and the culture which the religion imposes on its adherents. Churchill wrote about the Islamic culture and way of life.

    For instance, a person can write that for nearly 2,000 years many Catholic women became nuns, never married and lived in woman only convents without knowing a thing about the theology of Catholicism.
    , @Otto Zeit
    Churchill may not have been a "recognized authority on Islam," but he was an authority who recognized Islam for what it was and is. His opinion wasn't created in a vacuum, but was formed from first-hand experience. He knew whereof he spoke.
    , @Eagle Eye
    Churchill was a deeply flawed man who - whatever his subjective motivations - played a key role in losing the British Empire through two disastrous world wars. However, his qualification to speak about Islam after long exposure to its manifestation cannot be doubted.

    In courts of law, the institution of the "lay expert" is well recognized: i.e. a person who, while not having any FORMAL training in a subject, has become an "expert" through long practice and exposure.

    A typical expert is a drug addict who is highly knowledgeable about types, grades, street names and prices of drugs.

    , @Kyle a
    He was one hell of a prophet though. A visionary.
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  6. unit472 says:

    It wasn’t that long ago ( December 26, 2004 ) that the BBC was the best source for breaking news because they threw their website open to survivors of the tsunami in Thailand. They were the only ‘reporters’ on the scene and it was through them that the world learned something terrible had happened. Of course the BBC, like many MSM outlets, has long since closed their websites to first hand accounts or even comments as smart phones and organized ‘hasbara’ campaigns have proliferated. Still, there should be a way for news organizations to separate the wheat from the chaff and find responsible comments from amongst those on scene at dramatic news events. There is no guarantee that their ‘professional’ news reporters will be any more lucid or knowledgeable in an on going ‘emergency. One has only to recall, during the first Gulf War, the CNN reporter who, during the Iraqi Scud missile attacks on Saudi Arabia, smelled the fumes from Patriot ABM missile launches, and screamed he was under poison gas attack and fumbled for his gas mask!

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    No comment that in any way fails to confirm the dominant Neo-Stalinist narrative would be considered responsible.
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  7. @Pilemon
    Winston Churchill, for all his great achievements, was not a recognised authority on Islam. The fact that it is him that you quote indicates that you are not either.

    Churchill may not have been a “recognized authority” (by whom?) as you put it, but he was good a rendering a picture of what he saw. Sometimes he used a brush and oils, sometimes a pen and words.

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  8. Citizens were the victims and also the first attenders and the first reporters.

    Maybe it’s time they were first responders, in general? Naw, not in the UK.

    You can keep your civilization, if you dare defend it. But as I understand it, the United Kingdom long ago relegated citizens to that category of subjects who are not deemed capable of contributing to the common defence.

    Much like the gun-grabbers in the USA, British subjects were told to leave defending their lives, their homes and their civilization to The Experts. Since The Experts are not the hired help, we must assume they are among the more equal than others to whom Orwell directs us, no?

    Every state in the USA now has some form of licensing the concealed carry of pistols. Most of those states cannot deny a license to any adult of good standing, and some of those states allow anyone who can legally possess a pistol to carry it concealed. [I wonder if tourists from the UK, East Asia, etc. ever realize they're surrounded by armed people when visiting the USA?]

    Like the UK, the USA has an immivasion problem. Like the UK, the USA’s political elite has foolishly invited millions of people who cannot assimilate to a Western, commomweal civilization and from whom will come a constant flow of Jihadi killers.

    I tend to think the USA will sort this out more forcefully when the mood to do so is reached
    . In the meantime, my preference remains to avoid large concentrations of people both because such are inviting targets and because MPAI (most people are idiots) and I really don’t like being surrounded by them.

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    "Large concentrations of people" that you try to avoid: all kinds? Theatre, opera, pop concerts [aren't thrre enough reasons not to be thrre?], football and baseball matches, Presidential inaugurations?

    I live in a city of over 4.5 million with many a multi storey city centre shopping mall crammed with young Asians on a Sunday as if one were in Singapore or KL. Our police no longer go unarmed in the way they did in my childhood but our homicide rate is very much closer to low European levels than the very high US rates. Without large numbers of guns (despite their inevitable availability to hardened criminals), most people would regard your fears as paranoid if you lived here.

    I offer no advice to Americans except the famous Irish reply "I wouldn't be starting from here".

    Mind you we recently had quite a number of people killed and injured by a driver who had nothing to do with terrorism but had had a row with his brother and our fortunately small number of African refugees - young, including very young males - have recently eripted in carjackings, home invasions and rioting but.... no one killed or even seriously injured - yet.
    , @Paul Rain
    They used to be.

    The 'Tottenham Outrage' is a great example- with the unarmed policemen in hot pursuit of twisted, foreign aliens being lent rides and handed handguns by decent British citizens (as noone named 'Masood' will ever be)- in the hope that they might be able to better employ them to gun down the alien scum.

    Unfortunately, while the chaps who lent their vehicles to the pursuit certainly helped, your armed gentleman of 1909 would be just as unrealistic in thinking a bobby would be a better shot than him as a concealed carrier in the modern US would be. How about some better options?

    # Don't let anyone from any nation which has a consanganuity rate of >35% (Iran) into your country
    # Encourage those of such nationalities to leave, with monetary or kniphofic incentives
    # Arm the British people
    # Consider arming police officers if the Welsh or the Irish start acting up

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    DC, I just want to give you praise for all your great comments - most of the ones I've read have been under Sailer's posts. You're one of the few that I've agreed with 100% of the time.

    I have a question: Are you a zerohedge reader? Your posts about the upcoming financial unpleasantness make me think that. I personally relate what's coming financially to what I call "peak stupidity" in my blog of that name. I believe that, though the financial pain may be horrendous for most Americans (and others around the world), there will be no more tolerance for the stupidity we now see daily.

    Agreed on the guns, agreed on the financial situation, and agreed on the thing with crowds - I'd like to be more of a prepper than I am, but hopefully that will change.
    , @jack ryan
    Oh do shut up with your "I'm an Amurikunn who loves our Constitution and loves guns, guns, guns".

    In case you haven't been paying attention to anything of importance these last 50 years - we "Americans" have pretty much lost:


    Our urban cities
    Our Colleges and Universities
    Our major Christian Church denominations.

    The vicious, anti White, cultural Marxist left and BlackLiesMatter mobs didn't take over these institutions using guns, guns, guns and all the American Conservatives who "love the Constitution" and have so many guns, guns, guns - they didn't do anything to stop the loss of our most important institutions.
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  9. dearieme says:

    “many Government employees regarded “lockdown” as an imported absurdity”: an example of a general rule that bad American habits – but only the bad ones – get adopted all over the place.

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    Conditioning the people to duck into their homes for safety when the police state feels threatened enough to clamp the lid down hard and sweep aside all notions and fantasies of democracy.

    It is all originating from the same source.
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  10. Alden says:
    @Pilemon
    Winston Churchill, for all his great achievements, was not a recognised authority on Islam. The fact that it is him that you quote indicates that you are not either.

    Churchill may not have been an authority on Islam but he wrote about what he observed. There is a major difference between religious Islam and the culture which the religion imposes on its adherents. Churchill wrote about the Islamic culture and way of life.

    For instance, a person can write that for nearly 2,000 years many Catholic women became nuns, never married and lived in woman only convents without knowing a thing about the theology of Catholicism.

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  11. … and tomorrow the sun will rise again.

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  12. This piece is utterly cringeworthy. The author understands less than nothing about the world in which he lives.

    First of all, these terrorist things are all hoaxes. It’s part of a strategy of tension. Gladio B.

    But aside from that, this Thompson guy is hopeless. He apparently still believes that Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK. He thinks that Winston Churchill was some great defender of “freedom”. I guess he believes every synthetic narrative that was stuffed into his head over however many decades of his life so far.

    Well, everybody progresses at the rate they can, I suppose. Ten years ago, I was probably as ignorant and stupid as this James Thompson. But at least I wasn’t writing columns anywhere. Thank God for that, because if I had been writing such worthless garbage back in my HIQI phase, I would be running into them now and then and feeling ashamed. At least I am spared that.

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    I think Dr. Thompson is pretty smart.
    , @dearieme
    Really you need to develop a lighter touch if you are to succeed in provoking outraged replies.
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  13. @Jonathan Revusky
    This piece is utterly cringeworthy. The author understands less than nothing about the world in which he lives.

    First of all, these terrorist things are all hoaxes. It's part of a strategy of tension. Gladio B.

    But aside from that, this Thompson guy is hopeless. He apparently still believes that Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK. He thinks that Winston Churchill was some great defender of "freedom". I guess he believes every synthetic narrative that was stuffed into his head over however many decades of his life so far.

    Well, everybody progresses at the rate they can, I suppose. Ten years ago, I was probably as ignorant and stupid as this James Thompson. But at least I wasn't writing columns anywhere. Thank God for that, because if I had been writing such worthless garbage back in my HIQI phase, I would be running into them now and then and feeling ashamed. At least I am spared that.

    I think Dr. Thompson is pretty smart.

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    I think Dr. Thompson is pretty smart.
     
    Well, okay, Daniel. But if the guy is so smart, then he can defend himself. He doesn't need you! :-)

    Well, actually, in some ways, I'm sure he is pretty smart. But the article is beyond stupid. The bit where he quotes the great "defender of freedom", Winston Churchill, as an expert on Islam, all that's just stupidity squared. It really is.

    But I wrote about the phenomenon, invented a term for it. HIQI, High IQ idiot. That is somebody with a high IQ but a low BDQ, i.e. Bullshit Detection Quotient.

    Anyway, all these terrorist incidents that are being attributed to ISIS, or whatever, these are hoaxes basically. It's all bullshit. The patsies who get framed for these things are already on the radar of all the State security apparatus. None of them can take a shit without the authorities knowing about it. Their phones are tapped and half the people in their milieu are Deep State infiltrators. It's a patsy milieu basically, and if you don't understand what I mean by that, then you need to get educated. And then when you do get educated about these issues, you'll end up realizing that what I said about Dr. Thompson's article is, unfortunately, simply correct.

    None of all this synthetic narrative about "radical Islamic terrorism" withstands any scrutiny really. It's all bullshit. It just is.

    , @Wizard of Oz
    He's been let out again, uncured. Don't provoke him with contradiction. You see, he just knows....
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  14. Viewing the photo of the cold blooded killer being cared for by medical personnel, I could only hope that the medical professionals cared for every victim first, and tended to that putz last.

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    • Replies: @Wally
    Just let him bleed out & save the costs
    , @AKAHorace
    It would probably be better if he lived. More information and he is not a martyr.
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  15. @Daniel Chieh
    I think Dr. Thompson is pretty smart.

    I think Dr. Thompson is pretty smart.

    Well, okay, Daniel. But if the guy is so smart, then he can defend himself. He doesn’t need you! :-)

    Well, actually, in some ways, I’m sure he is pretty smart. But the article is beyond stupid. The bit where he quotes the great “defender of freedom”, Winston Churchill, as an expert on Islam, all that’s just stupidity squared. It really is.

    But I wrote about the phenomenon, invented a term for it. HIQI, High IQ idiot. That is somebody with a high IQ but a low BDQ, i.e. Bullshit Detection Quotient.

    Anyway, all these terrorist incidents that are being attributed to ISIS, or whatever, these are hoaxes basically. It’s all bullshit. The patsies who get framed for these things are already on the radar of all the State security apparatus. None of them can take a shit without the authorities knowing about it. Their phones are tapped and half the people in their milieu are Deep State infiltrators. It’s a patsy milieu basically, and if you don’t understand what I mean by that, then you need to get educated. And then when you do get educated about these issues, you’ll end up realizing that what I said about Dr. Thompson’s article is, unfortunately, simply correct.

    None of all this synthetic narrative about “radical Islamic terrorism” withstands any scrutiny really. It’s all bullshit. It just is.

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    • Replies: @dc.sunsets
    Here I believed I was a little tinfoil hatty.

    Sorry to break it to you, but life really isn't as much of an inversion as represented in The Matrix.

    Yes, we're saturated with Fake News, just as universities proffer Fake Educations, their graduates have Fake Credentials, multinational food processors sell Fake Foods, the Medical-Insurance-Industrial-Cartel offers Fake Healthcare, etc., etc., etc.

    Not everything, even in the age of CGI, is BS however. Not every vicious action is choreographed by modern MK Ultra masterminds.

    I can only spare so much attention for comments alluding to the utter stupidity of others (given the implication that the commenter is a Giant Intellect by comparison), but yours seem to suggest that you went from believing everything to believing absolutely nothing.

    That's not a mentally stable way to see the world, as far as I can tell.
    , @Pericles
    Some years ago, I saw a couple of articles about the war in Iraq where the clans dressed their surplus retards and mongoloids in suicide vests and sent them to visit the targets of the day. Is this the jewish equivalent?
    , @Anonimousetoo
    But it's all necessary. Frighten the masses and you an justify an enormous "first responder" budget. Which justifies, in turn, an enormous legal profession budget. Which creates a greater demand for trained people who need more and bigger training facilities.

    The entire house of cards establishment rests on fear of "them".
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  16. @Pip McGuigen
    Very insightful,especially Sir Winston's warnings. I loved the "mad dog" reference because I tell my friends if countries were animals, Muslim countries would be mad dogs.

    I tell my friends if countries were animals, Muslim countries would be mad dogs.

    Well, that’s ridiculous. Obviously, the mad dog would be the U.S.A. There is no country on the current world scene remotely comparable.

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    • Replies: @Wally
    No doubt you misspoke, certainly you mean mad dog 'Israel'.
    , @dfordoom

    Obviously, the mad dog would be the U.S.A. There is no country on the current world scene remotely comparable.
     
    You might be wrong about most things but you're right about that.
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  17. Wally says:

    no sharia, no peace
    Churchill on Islam

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    Not Republican, but Muslim

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    dress code demanded by Muslim cave men
    Yet women marchers wearing ‘pussy hats’ ignore it and Miley Cyrus is seen as advancing women’s dignity.

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  18. Wally says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    I tell my friends if countries were animals, Muslim countries would be mad dogs.
     
    Well, that's ridiculous. Obviously, the mad dog would be the U.S.A. There is no country on the current world scene remotely comparable.

    No doubt you misspoke, certainly you mean mad dog ‘Israel’.

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    Because Israel magically controls all the hapless goyim in the U.S.? But only you figured it out?
    , @Jonathan Revusky

    certainly you mean mad dog ‘Israel’.
     
    Well, that's also an interpretation. Or alternatively, the USA is the mad dog and Israel is the owner of the dog...
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  19. Wally says:
    @Hannah Katz
    Viewing the photo of the cold blooded killer being cared for by medical personnel, I could only hope that the medical professionals cared for every victim first, and tended to that putz last.

    Just let him bleed out & save the costs

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    Just let him bleed out & save the costs
     
    Well, the reason to keep somebody like that alive would be humanitarianism really. It would be that, if the overall narrative were truthful, and there really is this Jihadist terrorist organization operating in the UK (and throughout Europe) it would be of great interest to be able to extract information from these people, which you cannot do if they are dead. Remember...

    Dead men tell no tales.

    BUT.... actually... that is precisely why the patsies in these operations always end up dead, isn't it? I mean, we don't actually want to know who is behind these operations now, do we?
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  20. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Wally
    No doubt you misspoke, certainly you mean mad dog 'Israel'.

    Because Israel magically controls all the hapless goyim in the U.S.? But only you figured it out?

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  21. dearieme says:
    @Jonathan Revusky
    This piece is utterly cringeworthy. The author understands less than nothing about the world in which he lives.

    First of all, these terrorist things are all hoaxes. It's part of a strategy of tension. Gladio B.

    But aside from that, this Thompson guy is hopeless. He apparently still believes that Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK. He thinks that Winston Churchill was some great defender of "freedom". I guess he believes every synthetic narrative that was stuffed into his head over however many decades of his life so far.

    Well, everybody progresses at the rate they can, I suppose. Ten years ago, I was probably as ignorant and stupid as this James Thompson. But at least I wasn't writing columns anywhere. Thank God for that, because if I had been writing such worthless garbage back in my HIQI phase, I would be running into them now and then and feeling ashamed. At least I am spared that.

    Really you need to develop a lighter touch if you are to succeed in provoking outraged replies.

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  22. @Wally
    No doubt you misspoke, certainly you mean mad dog 'Israel'.

    certainly you mean mad dog ‘Israel’.

    Well, that’s also an interpretation. Or alternatively, the USA is the mad dog and Israel is the owner of the dog…

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  23. The wanton murder of non-combatants is appalling. The “west” murders them in the thousands year after year. Back in the day, when I was a soldier, we murdered them in the hundreds of thousands in South East Asia.

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    Mr. Class... Back when you were then a soldier (very carefully worded!) does it happen that you were, in fact, a soldier in SE Asia; and if so what was your job there? And do clarify please if you were part of the 80% or so of the US veterans of the VN war who were REMFs (NTTAWWT!), then how would you know who and how many got "murdered" and by which sides' firepower towards what objectives?
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  24. anon says: • Disclaimer

    A script has been laid out for aspiring Jihadis: use a car or lorry as a weapon to kill the public, and then die in a supposed blaze of glory.

    For most of the last 20 years the slow buildup to this was hidden because the standard attempted method was small groups of friends/relatives wanting to plant bombs and talking about it – three lions is quite accurate in that regard – and the complications/numbers involved meant they were almost all discovered early and warned off.

    It was always inevitable that by trial and error they’d eventually fall upon methods more suited to their abilities.

    A Europe-wide version of 1970s Belfast (as a prelude to a re-run of the 30 year war) is pretty much inevitable now barring a total halt in immigration.

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  25. Otto Zeit says:
    @Pilemon
    Winston Churchill, for all his great achievements, was not a recognised authority on Islam. The fact that it is him that you quote indicates that you are not either.

    Churchill may not have been a “recognized authority on Islam,” but he was an authority who recognized Islam for what it was and is. His opinion wasn’t created in a vacuum, but was formed from first-hand experience. He knew whereof he spoke.

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    These days you can, of course, get arrested for quoting Churchill in London.

    Example: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2614834/Arrested-quoting-Winston-Churchill-European-election-candidate-accused-religious-racial-harassment-repeats-wartime-prime-ministers-words-Islam-campaign-speech.html

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  26. AKAHorace says:
    @Hannah Katz
    Viewing the photo of the cold blooded killer being cared for by medical personnel, I could only hope that the medical professionals cared for every victim first, and tended to that putz last.

    It would probably be better if he lived. More information and he is not a martyr.

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  27. Talha says:

    This is indeed a horrific and deplorable occurrence. Hopefully the people of London won’t give into fear and give up any more of their freedoms. Weird thing about this guy though – he was under the scope of the authorities. Mr. Sailer had a nice article about a potentially similar situation with the Boston Marathon Bomber – doubt they’ll ever let the entire picture come out.

    Have to admit though, this method is low-grade and very, very difficult to catch if some random guy wants to pull it off. A car and a knife and solo – wonder if Britain and other countries are going to start thinking about having a complete blackout of certain IP addresses and certain websites – kind of like some other countries do?

    No stronger retrograde force exists in the world.

    Ah – I see, well, the old codger never lived to see gay pride parades and government-aided sex-change operations now did he? Being retrograde in this world of post-modern progress has its benefits.

    raising fearless warriors at every step

    Is that supposed to be an insult?

    Peace.

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    Is that supposed to be an insult?
     
    No.
    , @Johnny Smoggins
    "Have to admit though, this method is low-grade and very, very difficult to catch if some random guy wants to pull it off. A car and a knife and solo ......."

    If your brothers were smarter they'd probably figure out that sending one of their guys into a busy Starbucks at 8 a.m. with a bomb belt would be much more effective.
    , @dfordoom

    this method is low-grade and very, very difficult to catch if some random guy wants to pull it off. A car and a knife and solo
     
    The West needs technology worth millions of dollars to spread terror, like drones. But a car and a knife can spread terror very effectively if used with sufficient determination and courage. Yes, courage. People can do evil things and still be brave.

    I get the feeling this is not going to end well for the West. Of course the West could always stop bombing other people's countries but that's never going to happen is it?
    , @iffen
    Weird thing about this guy though – he was under the scope of the authorities

    Hmmm. Something familiar about this.
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  28. @jim jones
    I was hoping that a few politicians had been killed, especially the ex-Home Secretary who let so many Muslims in.

    It’s not just the ex-Home Secretarty, Muslim immigration to Britain has been over the top for decades.

    What a shame Tony Blair wasn’t out taking a stroll along the bridge to get some air and clear his head, although tonnes of congealed blood would take some clearing. The world would be a far better place if most of the pigs at the parliamentary trough met a swift and karmic end to their corrupt and deadly existences.

    Funny how when one nut does something nutty it’s terrorism but when a team of professional, state-funded and trained killers obliterate dozens of people attending a wedding ceremony or similar it’s merely a tragic accident.

    I can’t help feeling that as the British people go about their business without a care about the war crimes the government is committing in various parts of the world they can only expect more to come. The British people certainly have a lot more blood on their collective hands than do the Iraqis, Libyans or Syrians.

    Sadly, I was unable to finish the article because once I got to the part about the lone gunman, LH Oswald shooting down JFK the author, like the BBC, lost all credibility and I came straight to the comments.

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    Yeah, he sort of lost me too when he name checked Oswald, JFK, and J.D. Tippit.
    On the other hand, it could be the author's heads up to the open minded reader, as well.
    , @jack ryan
    You paranoid, conspiracy theory loons are a real pain in the arse.

    The worst, lowest caste Islamists are destroying so much of everything we hold dear and now they are sexually grooming, raping poor English girls and German girls in Cologne. Virtually all Islamist countries are failed places except the most super rich Gulf States that don't take in any low skilled, low IQ Muslim migrants - instead they get forced on Germany, UK, Sweden, Australia and the USA.

    These Conspiracy theories can explain away 1,400 years of Islamist terror, murder and mayhem against the West, or Indians and it's never the Islamists fault or else it didn't even happen.

    Hey paranoid, conspiracy loner, loser, nut case KOOK - please go share your conspiracy theories in some Algerian no go slum outside of Paris - I hope to see your final picture of you in an orange jump suit while some Jihad Johnny beheads you.

    Have a nice day.
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  29. tjm says:
    @another fred

    For if they do these things in a green tree, what shall be done in the dry?

     

    One day the jihadis will get their hands on weapons of mass destruction sufficient to create more than "incidents".

    yes, then they can do to us what we have been doing to them, at the behest of the Zionists

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    It all started when the rampaging Rashiduns did it at the behest of the Zionists of their time.

    Ghewond's Chronicle, the eighth-century Armenian description of the Arab conquests against the Byzantine Empire contains a revealing reference to the jews:
    'Once Heraclius' son [Constantine III, 613-641] had come to rule in his father's stead, the Lord awakened the spirits of malevolent men so that through them the blood of Christians would be shed in vengeance, because we had sinned before the Lord God. [The Arabs] began to form brigades and mass troops against Constantine's realm, against Judaea and Asorestan (Syria), having for support the command of their law-giver, that sower of darnel, to "Go against the countries and put them under your rule, for the plenty of the world has been given to us for our enjoyment. Eat the meat of the select ones of the countries, and drink the blood of the mighty." The Jews were their supporters and leaders, having gone to the camp at Madiam and told them: "God promised Abraham that He would deliver up the inhabitants of the world in service [to him], and we are his heirs and sons of the patriarch. Because of our wickedness, God became disgusted with us and lifted the scepter of kingship from us, subjecting us to the servitude of slavery. But you, too, are children of Abraham and sons of the patriarch. Arise with us and save us from service to the emperor of the Byzantines, and together we shall hold our realm." [The Arabs] were encouraged further hearing this, and went against Judaea.'

    What goes around comes around. Now they go again together against Syria.

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  30. @dearieme
    "many Government employees regarded “lockdown” as an imported absurdity": an example of a general rule that bad American habits - but only the bad ones - get adopted all over the place.

    Conditioning the people to duck into their homes for safety when the police state feels threatened enough to clamp the lid down hard and sweep aside all notions and fantasies of democracy.

    It is all originating from the same source.

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  31. Mark Green says: • Website

    I think that we need to focus less on Jihad and more on asking why certain Muslims have been targeting the West (US, NATO States, and Israel) for the past 40 years or more.

    Is it really just about theology?

    Virtually all of these crazed ‘Jihadists’ hail from countries like Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Palestine, Syria, Pakistan, Yemen and Lebanon. Doesn’t that tell you something?

    After all, there are many tens of millions of orthodox Muslims out there in countries like Indonesia. Yet these Muslims rarely attack any Western target. How come? It’s the same religion, after all.

    Why are only Middle East Muslims keen on attacking the West?

    Aren’t Middle East Muslims from the same countries that Zio-America has been annihilating, bombing, occupying, manipulating, starving and/or dominating for decades?

    Just a coincidence?

    Do they hate us for our freedom?–or do they hate us for Zio-Washington’s unrelenting and unnecessary destruction of their ancient civilizations?

    Just asking.

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    Virtually all of these crazed ‘Jihadists’ hail from countries like Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Palestine, Syria, Pakistan, Yemen and Lebanon. Doesn’t that tell you something?
     
    1) A lot of terrorists come from Saudi Arabia. 2) Indonesian Muslims have been attacking, harassing and even beheading Indonesian Christians since mid-90s.

    Interestingly, this coincides with the time when Saudi proselytisers appeared in the region. Doesn't that tell you something?
    , @Alan Wong

    I think that we need to focus less on Jihad and more on asking why certain Muslims have been targeting the West (US, NATO States, and Israel) for the past 40 years or more.
     
    Uh, no, the West has been targeting the Muslim countries. All of this campaign of psy-ops, false flags and hoaxes, exists to establish a pretext in the public's mind for all the attacks against Muslim countries.

    Is it really just about theology?

     

    Of course not. All of that is just a synthetic narrative.

    After all, there are many tens of millions of orthodox Muslims out there in countries like Indonesia. Yet these Muslims rarely attack any Western target. How come? It’s the same religion, after all.
     
    I hope all of this is just a deliberately silly question.

    Look, suppose one were creating a similar synthetic narrative about Roman Catholicism. The Colombian drug lords are all Roman Catholics! Oy vey! Look, the Sicilian Mafia, that's all Roman Catholics too!

    And then, along these lines, you would ask: "But hold on, there are all these Catholics in Poland, say, and they aren't involved in any of that. What's going on?"

    Well, it's a silly question, because A. The Catholics in Poland are completely different people and B. all the various criminality has nothing to do with Roman Catholicism anyway.

    Just a coincidence?
     
    No, but you may be reversing causality somewhat.

    Just asking.
     
    Well, okay, but an initial step in finding an answer is figuring out what events are real, organic events, and what events are synthetic.

    The synthetic events exist in order to establish a synthetic narrative, which is that the West is under attack from something called "Radical Islam".
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  32. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @NoseytheDuke
    It's not just the ex-Home Secretarty, Muslim immigration to Britain has been over the top for decades.

    What a shame Tony Blair wasn't out taking a stroll along the bridge to get some air and clear his head, although tonnes of congealed blood would take some clearing. The world would be a far better place if most of the pigs at the parliamentary trough met a swift and karmic end to their corrupt and deadly existences.

    Funny how when one nut does something nutty it's terrorism but when a team of professional, state-funded and trained killers obliterate dozens of people attending a wedding ceremony or similar it's merely a tragic accident.

    I can't help feeling that as the British people go about their business without a care about the war crimes the government is committing in various parts of the world they can only expect more to come. The British people certainly have a lot more blood on their collective hands than do the Iraqis, Libyans or Syrians.

    Sadly, I was unable to finish the article because once I got to the part about the lone gunman, LH Oswald shooting down JFK the author, like the BBC, lost all credibility and I came straight to the comments.

    Yeah, he sort of lost me too when he name checked Oswald, JFK, and J.D. Tippit.
    On the other hand, it could be the author’s heads up to the open minded reader, as well.

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  33. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @another fred

    For if they do these things in a green tree, what shall be done in the dry?

     

    One day the jihadis will get their hands on weapons of mass destruction sufficient to create more than "incidents".

    That was the logic behind the invasion of Iraq, but in reality, they seem to have gone in the opposite direction.

    These aren’t James Bond villains; they are angry men from a backward culture. They are limited to the Western technology they have access to. They no longer have access to the cockpits of jetliners, but, they still have access to knives and cars and trucks. Maybe they’re trying to do as much damage as possible before governments mandate self-driving vehicles.

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  34. @dc.sunsets

    Citizens were the victims and also the first attenders and the first reporters.
     
    Maybe it's time they were first responders, in general? Naw, not in the UK.

    You can keep your civilization, if you dare defend it. But as I understand it, the United Kingdom long ago relegated citizens to that category of subjects who are not deemed capable of contributing to the common defence.

    Much like the gun-grabbers in the USA, British subjects were told to leave defending their lives, their homes and their civilization to The Experts. Since The Experts are not the hired help, we must assume they are among the more equal than others to whom Orwell directs us, no?

    Every state in the USA now has some form of licensing the concealed carry of pistols. Most of those states cannot deny a license to any adult of good standing, and some of those states allow anyone who can legally possess a pistol to carry it concealed. [I wonder if tourists from the UK, East Asia, etc. ever realize they're surrounded by armed people when visiting the USA?]

    Like the UK, the USA has an immivasion problem. Like the UK, the USA's political elite has foolishly invited millions of people who cannot assimilate to a Western, commomweal civilization and from whom will come a constant flow of Jihadi killers.

    I tend to think the USA will sort this out more forcefully when the mood to do so is reached
    . In the meantime, my preference remains to avoid large concentrations of people both because such are inviting targets and because MPAI (most people are idiots) and I really don't like being surrounded by them.

    “Large concentrations of people” that you try to avoid: all kinds? Theatre, opera, pop concerts [aren't thrre enough reasons not to be thrre?], football and baseball matches, Presidential inaugurations?

    I live in a city of over 4.5 million with many a multi storey city centre shopping mall crammed with young Asians on a Sunday as if one were in Singapore or KL. Our police no longer go unarmed in the way they did in my childhood but our homicide rate is very much closer to low European levels than the very high US rates. Without large numbers of guns (despite their inevitable availability to hardened criminals), most people would regard your fears as paranoid if you lived here.

    I offer no advice to Americans except the famous Irish reply “I wouldn’t be starting from here”.

    Mind you we recently had quite a number of people killed and injured by a driver who had nothing to do with terrorism but had had a row with his brother and our fortunately small number of African refugees – young, including very young males – have recently eripted in carjackings, home invasions and rioting but…. no one killed or even seriously injured – yet.

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    “Large concentrations of people” that you try to avoid: all kinds? Theatre, opera, pop concerts [aren't thrre enough reasons not to be thrre?], football and baseball matches, Presidential inaugurations?
     
    Yep. I am among the subset of people who do not find mass-minded, shared-experience kinds of entertainment interesting. Have you ever wondered what is the draw of a rock concert when, more often than not, the performers' music is better when studio-recorded and remixed? Humans have basically three sections to our brains: one we share with reptiles, one we share with herding animals and one that we share only with other humans. This confers a tendency to herd under conditions of uncertainty (markets, fashions, fads, pop culture, etc.) due to the urge to "fit in."

    Herding behavior occurs, like most human attributes, on a spectrum. Each of us is genetically predisposed to a segment of that spectrum. Nothing we can do allows us to operate in a part of the spectrum outside the segment into which we're born. All we do volitionally is change where in the segment our actions occur.

    I have relatively low herding compulsion. I don't like mass-minded experiences. I don't like immersing myself in a hivemind activity. While I sang lead roles in musicals and operas as a young man, I'm not particularly attracted to attending performances (there are exceptions.) And I hate organized sports, seeing football, soccer, baseball, basketball, etc. as the Circuses of our "Bread and Circus" debauchery. The last rock concert I attended was so loud that I had no choice but to wear ear plugs...which destroys the enjoyment of the music portion of the event, no?

    There are two replies I must make to two implications in your comment.
    1. I have a very individualistic worldview. To me, defending my life from bad people is just as important as determining for myself what foods to eat and exercises to do in order to maximize my health and happiness. The notion that I'd blindly rely EXCLUSIVELY on paid agents of the state to "take care of me" is as foolish as the notion that I'd eschew the use of fire extinguishers and rely EXCLUSIVELY on paid agents of the state for fire suppression. Many cultures are more collectivist in orientation; this is but one more example of why people from those cultures do not belong in the USA other than as tourists.
    2. Be very careful about your comments regarding "very high US [homicide] rates." If you strip out blacks and browns, US violent crime rates drop immediately to pre-ISIS invasion Europe. This is true even accounting for the fact that the USA counts crimes when they occur, and many other countries only count crimes as having occurred if SOMEONE IS CAUGHT AND CONVICTED for them. Needless to say, apples compared to oranges.

    US violent crime is overwhelmingly a product of people here whose ancestors were predominantly in Africa or Latin America.

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  35. 5371 says:

    [England became more peaceful than the Continent in the late Middle Ages]

    This isn’t true. Ever read the Paston letters? Levels of violence continued extreme on both sides of the channel into the 17th century.

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  36. @Daniel Chieh
    I think Dr. Thompson is pretty smart.

    He’s been let out again, uncured. Don’t provoke him with contradiction. You see, he just knows….

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    Every now and then, the inner troll in me feels the need to respond to verbose tinfoil screeching with one line responses.
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  37. I was prompted by a friend whose blog made much more of the threat of Islamic terrorism when referring to the Westminster incident rhan JT does to try for a little perspective by Googling “how many children are abducted or kidnapped in the UK each year?”. Then “how many people have been killed by terrorists in the UK since July 2005 [or 9/11 or any other date]?”

    The average Brit may not know that there is an order or two of magnitude difference but should rationally worry comparativry little about terrorists (even the IRA? :-)

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  38. Paul Rain says:
    @dc.sunsets

    Citizens were the victims and also the first attenders and the first reporters.
     
    Maybe it's time they were first responders, in general? Naw, not in the UK.

    You can keep your civilization, if you dare defend it. But as I understand it, the United Kingdom long ago relegated citizens to that category of subjects who are not deemed capable of contributing to the common defence.

    Much like the gun-grabbers in the USA, British subjects were told to leave defending their lives, their homes and their civilization to The Experts. Since The Experts are not the hired help, we must assume they are among the more equal than others to whom Orwell directs us, no?

    Every state in the USA now has some form of licensing the concealed carry of pistols. Most of those states cannot deny a license to any adult of good standing, and some of those states allow anyone who can legally possess a pistol to carry it concealed. [I wonder if tourists from the UK, East Asia, etc. ever realize they're surrounded by armed people when visiting the USA?]

    Like the UK, the USA has an immivasion problem. Like the UK, the USA's political elite has foolishly invited millions of people who cannot assimilate to a Western, commomweal civilization and from whom will come a constant flow of Jihadi killers.

    I tend to think the USA will sort this out more forcefully when the mood to do so is reached
    . In the meantime, my preference remains to avoid large concentrations of people both because such are inviting targets and because MPAI (most people are idiots) and I really don't like being surrounded by them.

    They used to be.

    The ‘Tottenham Outrage’ is a great example- with the unarmed policemen in hot pursuit of twisted, foreign aliens being lent rides and handed handguns by decent British citizens (as noone named ‘Masood’ will ever be)- in the hope that they might be able to better employ them to gun down the alien scum.

    Unfortunately, while the chaps who lent their vehicles to the pursuit certainly helped, your armed gentleman of 1909 would be just as unrealistic in thinking a bobby would be a better shot than him as a concealed carrier in the modern US would be. How about some better options?

    # Don’t let anyone from any nation which has a consanganuity rate of >35% (Iran) into your country
    # Encourage those of such nationalities to leave, with monetary or kniphofic incentives
    # Arm the British people
    # Consider arming police officers if the Welsh or the Irish start acting up

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    I believe an historically unprecedented, elevated social mood mania led to all these ruinous public policies in Western nations. Only people immersed in "Everything Is AWESOME" "We Are The World" levels of collective trust and optimism could consent to such mass-minded, self-destructive policies.

    I also believe social mood's rises and falls exhibit a patterned fractal, within which little rises are followed by little falls, and big rises are followed then by big falls. I anticipate that the catastrophes embedded in nations during this long run-up are THE pre-conditions necessary to the kind of strife now baked into the future.

    Just as the Hivemind consented to inviting immiscible peoples into their midsts during the last 50 years of rising social mood, the Hivemind will turn in RAGE on the very people who were previously invited once social mood rolls over and plunges in a decline commensurate with the prior rise.

    All the signs point to this now. All I await is evidence that the decline in social mood has exited this transition period of "mixed signals" and all engines are in dive mode. When stock markets in Europe and the Anglosphere all begin historic declines, we'll know to look for tsunamis of rage to wash across each of those countries.
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  39. Seraphim says:
    @tjm
    yes, then they can do to us what we have been doing to them, at the behest of the Zionists

    It all started when the rampaging Rashiduns did it at the behest of the Zionists of their time.

    Ghewond’s Chronicle, the eighth-century Armenian description of the Arab conquests against the Byzantine Empire contains a revealing reference to the jews:
    ‘Once Heraclius’ son [Constantine III, 613-641] had come to rule in his father’s stead, the Lord awakened the spirits of malevolent men so that through them the blood of Christians would be shed in vengeance, because we had sinned before the Lord God. [The Arabs] began to form brigades and mass troops against Constantine’s realm, against Judaea and Asorestan (Syria), having for support the command of their law-giver, that sower of darnel, to “Go against the countries and put them under your rule, for the plenty of the world has been given to us for our enjoyment. Eat the meat of the select ones of the countries, and drink the blood of the mighty.” The Jews were their supporters and leaders, having gone to the camp at Madiam and told them: “God promised Abraham that He would deliver up the inhabitants of the world in service [to him], and we are his heirs and sons of the patriarch. Because of our wickedness, God became disgusted with us and lifted the scepter of kingship from us, subjecting us to the servitude of slavery. But you, too, are children of Abraham and sons of the patriarch. Arise with us and save us from service to the emperor of the Byzantines, and together we shall hold our realm.” [The Arabs] were encouraged further hearing this, and went against Judaea.’

    What goes around comes around. Now they go again together against Syria.

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    The person who shot JFK was the person who shot JD Tippit? In what alternative universe does Mr Thompson dwell?

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    Why did Oswald kill Tippit?
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  41. Problem is that some savages after 5-6 centuries have not learned to accept, obey and bow down to exceptionally bloodthirsty master race of Albion.
    Action to reaction or reaction to action, take your pick.
    Desire for freedom and sovereignty is universal.

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  42. lena b says:
    @Mark Green
    I think that we need to focus less on Jihad and more on asking why certain Muslims have been targeting the West (US, NATO States, and Israel) for the past 40 years or more.

    Is it really just about theology?

    Virtually all of these crazed 'Jihadists' hail from countries like Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Palestine, Syria, Pakistan, Yemen and Lebanon. Doesn't that tell you something?

    After all, there are many tens of millions of orthodox Muslims out there in countries like Indonesia. Yet these Muslims rarely attack any Western target. How come? It's the same religion, after all.

    Why are only Middle East Muslims keen on attacking the West?

    Aren't Middle East Muslims from the same countries that Zio-America has been annihilating, bombing, occupying, manipulating, starving and/or dominating for decades?

    Just a coincidence?

    Do they hate us for our freedom?--or do they hate us for Zio-Washington's unrelenting and unnecessary destruction of their ancient civilizations?

    Just asking.

    Virtually all of these crazed ‘Jihadists’ hail from countries like Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Palestine, Syria, Pakistan, Yemen and Lebanon. Doesn’t that tell you something?

    1) A lot of terrorists come from Saudi Arabia. 2) Indonesian Muslims have been attacking, harassing and even beheading Indonesian Christians since mid-90s.

    Interestingly, this coincides with the time when Saudi proselytisers appeared in the region. Doesn’t that tell you something?

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    Leftists believe if the West invites the Muslim horde into their homes (well, their neighbors' homes) and treat them like, well, neighbors, all will be well.

    While ending Western political intervention would be nice (the only beneficiaries of it are those who own the multinational conglomerates who then get the contracts to dig wells, install power plants, pump oil, etc.), anyone who thinks "We Can All Get Along" is historically ignorant.

    High walls make for good neighbors.

    Western Civ will always produce a cornucopia in comparison to other civilizations. Countries run by Westerners for Westerners will always cast a massive shadow on other places, leaving their occupants in the rage of envy. This would be the case if Western nations never set foot across the border.

    THIS is why there's a war on the West. Boil it down far enough, all you are left with is envy. And when someone envies, and cannot create the goods themselves, they will TAKE the goods if possible, and if that's not possible then they'll burn them to the ground. To the envious, "If I can't have yours, I'll make sure you can't have it either."

    This is the view that animates the current war on Western Civilization.
    , @joe webb
    what is telling is this: behind 90% of the muzzie caper-killing of Europeans is the theft of Palestine.

    If Israel did not exist,......

    Joe Webb
    , @KenH

    1) A lot of terrorists come from Saudi Arabia. 2) Indonesian Muslims have been attacking, harassing and even beheading Indonesian Christians since mid-90s.
     
    In Indonesia, there were church burnings and desecrations from 1999-2002 and in 2011 peaceful Muslims burned three Christian churches to the ground. Indonesia is a peaceful Muslim nation according to some free of inter-religious squabbling and conflict. But you and I must understand that the Christians must have brought it on themselves since the geniuses and Muslim apologists tell us that Muslims never commit acts of violence against non-Muslims unless provoked or acting as unwitting patsies of Western intelligence services.

    The Christians who met cruel deaths in Indonesia must have been "making mischief in the land" or some other flimsy pretext Muslims use to kill non-Muslims.

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  43. @Talha
    This is indeed a horrific and deplorable occurrence. Hopefully the people of London won't give into fear and give up any more of their freedoms. Weird thing about this guy though - he was under the scope of the authorities. Mr. Sailer had a nice article about a potentially similar situation with the Boston Marathon Bomber - doubt they'll ever let the entire picture come out.

    Have to admit though, this method is low-grade and very, very difficult to catch if some random guy wants to pull it off. A car and a knife and solo - wonder if Britain and other countries are going to start thinking about having a complete blackout of certain IP addresses and certain websites - kind of like some other countries do?

    No stronger retrograde force exists in the world.
     
    Ah - I see, well, the old codger never lived to see gay pride parades and government-aided sex-change operations now did he? Being retrograde in this world of post-modern progress has its benefits.

    raising fearless warriors at every step
     
    Is that supposed to be an insult?

    Peace.

    Is that supposed to be an insult?

    No.

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  44. unz is losing it. i’ve read a couple such pure establishment articles here this week–drivel! the mind control gang (cia, mi6, etc) finally got him. on guard for more, and more, DRIVEL!
    bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, lie, lie, lie, –insert the name of churchill here–, garbage, crap, yay great britain, blah blah blah

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    –insert the name of churchill here–
     
    LOL. For me also, this sort of reverent reference to the old scoundrel Churchill is sort of clear warning signal.

    What is puzzling is that Thompson seems, at least on the political analysis level, to be kind of a John Derbyshire clone.

    Why ever does the Unz Review need a Derbyshire clone when it's already got the real John Derbyshire here?
    , @Wizard of Oz
    How did your "mouche" acqure the maculinity of "le" for definite article? Or is this just a modest pose of ignorance by you so resders will feel sorry for you and condescendingly forgive your childish undisciplined blather?
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  45. @Talha
    This is indeed a horrific and deplorable occurrence. Hopefully the people of London won't give into fear and give up any more of their freedoms. Weird thing about this guy though - he was under the scope of the authorities. Mr. Sailer had a nice article about a potentially similar situation with the Boston Marathon Bomber - doubt they'll ever let the entire picture come out.

    Have to admit though, this method is low-grade and very, very difficult to catch if some random guy wants to pull it off. A car and a knife and solo - wonder if Britain and other countries are going to start thinking about having a complete blackout of certain IP addresses and certain websites - kind of like some other countries do?

    No stronger retrograde force exists in the world.
     
    Ah - I see, well, the old codger never lived to see gay pride parades and government-aided sex-change operations now did he? Being retrograde in this world of post-modern progress has its benefits.

    raising fearless warriors at every step
     
    Is that supposed to be an insult?

    Peace.

    “Have to admit though, this method is low-grade and very, very difficult to catch if some random guy wants to pull it off. A car and a knife and solo …….”

    If your brothers were smarter they’d probably figure out that sending one of their guys into a busy Starbucks at 8 a.m. with a bomb belt would be much more effective.

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    Hey JSmoggins,

    To be honest, the guys who sign up for nihilist 'Uncle Baghdadi Wants YOU' propaganda may not be dealing with a full deck. So likely, any handling of explosives is far more likely to start a fire in their apartment or basement. Also, buying those materials would likely be more suspicious than buying/renting a car, eh?

    In short:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2UTsthOfiE
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCpVh8Wox1U

    Peace.
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  46. Let’s not overreact. London’s Muslim mayor says events like this are normal occurances in major cities.

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  47. Alan Wong says:
    @Mark Green
    I think that we need to focus less on Jihad and more on asking why certain Muslims have been targeting the West (US, NATO States, and Israel) for the past 40 years or more.

    Is it really just about theology?

    Virtually all of these crazed 'Jihadists' hail from countries like Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Palestine, Syria, Pakistan, Yemen and Lebanon. Doesn't that tell you something?

    After all, there are many tens of millions of orthodox Muslims out there in countries like Indonesia. Yet these Muslims rarely attack any Western target. How come? It's the same religion, after all.

    Why are only Middle East Muslims keen on attacking the West?

    Aren't Middle East Muslims from the same countries that Zio-America has been annihilating, bombing, occupying, manipulating, starving and/or dominating for decades?

    Just a coincidence?

    Do they hate us for our freedom?--or do they hate us for Zio-Washington's unrelenting and unnecessary destruction of their ancient civilizations?

    Just asking.

    I think that we need to focus less on Jihad and more on asking why certain Muslims have been targeting the West (US, NATO States, and Israel) for the past 40 years or more.

    Uh, no, the West has been targeting the Muslim countries. All of this campaign of psy-ops, false flags and hoaxes, exists to establish a pretext in the public’s mind for all the attacks against Muslim countries.

    Is it really just about theology?

    Of course not. All of that is just a synthetic narrative.

    After all, there are many tens of millions of orthodox Muslims out there in countries like Indonesia. Yet these Muslims rarely attack any Western target. How come? It’s the same religion, after all.

    I hope all of this is just a deliberately silly question.

    Look, suppose one were creating a similar synthetic narrative about Roman Catholicism. The Colombian drug lords are all Roman Catholics! Oy vey! Look, the Sicilian Mafia, that’s all Roman Catholics too!

    And then, along these lines, you would ask: “But hold on, there are all these Catholics in Poland, say, and they aren’t involved in any of that. What’s going on?”

    Well, it’s a silly question, because A. The Catholics in Poland are completely different people and B. all the various criminality has nothing to do with Roman Catholicism anyway.

    Just a coincidence?

    No, but you may be reversing causality somewhat.

    Just asking.

    Well, okay, but an initial step in finding an answer is figuring out what events are real, organic events, and what events are synthetic.

    The synthetic events exist in order to establish a synthetic narrative, which is that the West is under attack from something called “Radical Islam”.

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  48. Earth has not anything to show more foul

    Given the history of Brit imperialism, that seems a bit rich, does it not?

    As for Churchill, he was an authority on nearly nothing but supercilious, narcissistic, unctuous, thrill-seeking, vacuous dandyism.

    He did write something worth reading though.

    There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution, by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews, it is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews. Moreover, the principal inspiration and driving power comes from the Jewish leaders.

    The same phenomenon has been presented in Germany (especially in Bavaria), so far as this madness has been allowed to prey upon the temporary prostration of the German people. Although in all these countries there are many non-Jews every whit as bad as the worst of the Jewish revolutionaries, the part played by the latter in proportion to their numbers in the population is astonishing.

    -“Rt. Hon.” Winston S. Churchill, Zionism versus Bolshevism, A Struggle for the Soul of the Jewish People, published in Illustrated Sunday Herald (London), February 8, 1920, pg. 5

    Being the opportunist flip flopper that he was, he nevertheless supported Uncle Joey and that alone speaks volumes as they both went on to prey on a virtually prostrate German people.

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    As for Churchill, he was an authority on nearly nothing but supercilious, narcissistic, unctuous, thrill-seeking, vacuous dandyism.
     
    He was also an expert on the use of terror against civilian populations. Remember the fire-bombing of Dresden?
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  49. @Jonathan Revusky

    I think Dr. Thompson is pretty smart.
     
    Well, okay, Daniel. But if the guy is so smart, then he can defend himself. He doesn't need you! :-)

    Well, actually, in some ways, I'm sure he is pretty smart. But the article is beyond stupid. The bit where he quotes the great "defender of freedom", Winston Churchill, as an expert on Islam, all that's just stupidity squared. It really is.

    But I wrote about the phenomenon, invented a term for it. HIQI, High IQ idiot. That is somebody with a high IQ but a low BDQ, i.e. Bullshit Detection Quotient.

    Anyway, all these terrorist incidents that are being attributed to ISIS, or whatever, these are hoaxes basically. It's all bullshit. The patsies who get framed for these things are already on the radar of all the State security apparatus. None of them can take a shit without the authorities knowing about it. Their phones are tapped and half the people in their milieu are Deep State infiltrators. It's a patsy milieu basically, and if you don't understand what I mean by that, then you need to get educated. And then when you do get educated about these issues, you'll end up realizing that what I said about Dr. Thompson's article is, unfortunately, simply correct.

    None of all this synthetic narrative about "radical Islamic terrorism" withstands any scrutiny really. It's all bullshit. It just is.

    Here I believed I was a little tinfoil hatty.

    Sorry to break it to you, but life really isn’t as much of an inversion as represented in The Matrix.

    Yes, we’re saturated with Fake News, just as universities proffer Fake Educations, their graduates have Fake Credentials, multinational food processors sell Fake Foods, the Medical-Insurance-Industrial-Cartel offers Fake Healthcare, etc., etc., etc.

    Not everything, even in the age of CGI, is BS however. Not every vicious action is choreographed by modern MK Ultra masterminds.

    I can only spare so much attention for comments alluding to the utter stupidity of others (given the implication that the commenter is a Giant Intellect by comparison), but yours seem to suggest that you went from believing everything to believing absolutely nothing.

    That’s not a mentally stable way to see the world, as far as I can tell.

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    Not everything, even in the age of CGI, is BS however. Not every vicious action is choreographed by modern MK Ultra masterminds.
     
    So let me get this straight. Your argument is that, because some events are not hoaxes (and I agree with you on that) then this specific event is not a hoax.

    I think your grasp of logical argumentation is a tad weak.
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  50. Alan Wong says:
    @daniel le mouche
    unz is losing it. i've read a couple such pure establishment articles here this week--drivel! the mind control gang (cia, mi6, etc) finally got him. on guard for more, and more, DRIVEL!
    bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, lie, lie, lie, --insert the name of churchill here--, garbage, crap, yay great britain, blah blah blah

    –insert the name of churchill here–

    LOL. For me also, this sort of reverent reference to the old scoundrel Churchill is sort of clear warning signal.

    What is puzzling is that Thompson seems, at least on the political analysis level, to be kind of a John Derbyshire clone.

    Why ever does the Unz Review need a Derbyshire clone when it’s already got the real John Derbyshire here?

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  51. Jason Liu says:

    It is a small incident, and 4 dead is no big deal. If you want to advocate ethnic homogeneity, then just do that. Relying on ‘immigrant crime’ as justification for nationalism will never work with the general public.

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    Relying on ‘immigrant crime’ as justification for nationalism will never work with the general public.
     
    You really haven't examined history much, huh? Or read Orwell? Was yesterday really the same as today, and tomorrow will be the same, too?

    (chuckle.)
    , @anon

    Relying on ‘immigrant crime’ as justification for nationalism will never work with the general public.
     
    Then why does the media bend over backwards to cover it up?

    Even to the extent of deflecting attention with hate hoaxes which incite violence against white kids in school?

    You're right it can't work as a tactic while people trust the media hence the focus shouldn't be on the raw stats but using them to make people realise the media has been lying to them on an epic scale for 50 years.
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  52. @Wizard of Oz
    "Large concentrations of people" that you try to avoid: all kinds? Theatre, opera, pop concerts [aren't thrre enough reasons not to be thrre?], football and baseball matches, Presidential inaugurations?

    I live in a city of over 4.5 million with many a multi storey city centre shopping mall crammed with young Asians on a Sunday as if one were in Singapore or KL. Our police no longer go unarmed in the way they did in my childhood but our homicide rate is very much closer to low European levels than the very high US rates. Without large numbers of guns (despite their inevitable availability to hardened criminals), most people would regard your fears as paranoid if you lived here.

    I offer no advice to Americans except the famous Irish reply "I wouldn't be starting from here".

    Mind you we recently had quite a number of people killed and injured by a driver who had nothing to do with terrorism but had had a row with his brother and our fortunately small number of African refugees - young, including very young males - have recently eripted in carjackings, home invasions and rioting but.... no one killed or even seriously injured - yet.

    “Large concentrations of people” that you try to avoid: all kinds? Theatre, opera, pop concerts [aren't thrre enough reasons not to be thrre?], football and baseball matches, Presidential inaugurations?

    Yep. I am among the subset of people who do not find mass-minded, shared-experience kinds of entertainment interesting. Have you ever wondered what is the draw of a rock concert when, more often than not, the performers’ music is better when studio-recorded and remixed? Humans have basically three sections to our brains: one we share with reptiles, one we share with herding animals and one that we share only with other humans. This confers a tendency to herd under conditions of uncertainty (markets, fashions, fads, pop culture, etc.) due to the urge to “fit in.”

    Herding behavior occurs, like most human attributes, on a spectrum. Each of us is genetically predisposed to a segment of that spectrum. Nothing we can do allows us to operate in a part of the spectrum outside the segment into which we’re born. All we do volitionally is change where in the segment our actions occur.

    I have relatively low herding compulsion. I don’t like mass-minded experiences. I don’t like immersing myself in a hivemind activity. While I sang lead roles in musicals and operas as a young man, I’m not particularly attracted to attending performances (there are exceptions.) And I hate organized sports, seeing football, soccer, baseball, basketball, etc. as the Circuses of our “Bread and Circus” debauchery. The last rock concert I attended was so loud that I had no choice but to wear ear plugs…which destroys the enjoyment of the music portion of the event, no?

    There are two replies I must make to two implications in your comment.
    1. I have a very individualistic worldview. To me, defending my life from bad people is just as important as determining for myself what foods to eat and exercises to do in order to maximize my health and happiness. The notion that I’d blindly rely EXCLUSIVELY on paid agents of the state to “take care of me” is as foolish as the notion that I’d eschew the use of fire extinguishers and rely EXCLUSIVELY on paid agents of the state for fire suppression. Many cultures are more collectivist in orientation; this is but one more example of why people from those cultures do not belong in the USA other than as tourists.
    2. Be very careful about your comments regarding “very high US [homicide] rates.” If you strip out blacks and browns, US violent crime rates drop immediately to pre-ISIS invasion Europe. This is true even accounting for the fact that the USA counts crimes when they occur, and many other countries only count crimes as having occurred if SOMEONE IS CAUGHT AND CONVICTED for them. Needless to say, apples compared to oranges.

    US violent crime is overwhelmingly a product of people here whose ancestors were predominantly in Africa or Latin America.

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    For what it's worth, I share your aversion to crowds--or herds as you call them. The last pack of cigarettes I bought was from a machine at a rock concert (many years ago when cigarette machines existed). I ripped off a couple of filters and stuffed them in my ears. I believe you're right about our being genetically predisposed to what slice of any spectrum we tolerate and/or enjoy. And your analogy of the fire extinguisher is right on.

    My impression is that American men in particular are much more self reliant than European men who "rely exclusively on paid agents" to do most everything in their lives from changing the oil in their cars to a bit of home remodeling. However, what we used to call "Yankee ingenuity" may be on the wane due to the increasing complexity and opaqueness of our gadgets and machinery. Today, people throw away stuff that has only minor problems, justifying it because it is cheaper to buy a replacement from China than to mend. Maintaining things has become a lost art. Something, some organic attachment to the environment, is lost when we no longer put any care into what we own.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    The link to patterned fractals as an explanation of trends is something I have often considered, but has never seen analyzed until the link you provided to Socionomics.

    You have my gratitude indeed.
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  53. @anon
    The person who shot JFK was the person who shot JD Tippit? In what alternative universe does Mr Thompson dwell?

    Why did Oswald kill Tippit?

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    Why did Oswald kill Tippit?
     
    He didn't. Oswald didn't kill anybody.
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  54. Ram says:

    The London event completely submerged the far greater US led atrocity where some 230-240 civilians lost their lives in Iraq.

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  55. Agent76 says:

    Nov 16, 2015 What Happened Just Before the Paris Attacks

    If there would have been a meeting to devise a strategy for a false flag terror attack in Paris as part of a grand plan to keep the Western countries in line fighting a proxy war against Russia in Syria, it would’ve looked something like…

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  56. @lena b

    Virtually all of these crazed ‘Jihadists’ hail from countries like Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Palestine, Syria, Pakistan, Yemen and Lebanon. Doesn’t that tell you something?
     
    1) A lot of terrorists come from Saudi Arabia. 2) Indonesian Muslims have been attacking, harassing and even beheading Indonesian Christians since mid-90s.

    Interestingly, this coincides with the time when Saudi proselytisers appeared in the region. Doesn't that tell you something?

    Leftists believe if the West invites the Muslim horde into their homes (well, their neighbors’ homes) and treat them like, well, neighbors, all will be well.

    While ending Western political intervention would be nice (the only beneficiaries of it are those who own the multinational conglomerates who then get the contracts to dig wells, install power plants, pump oil, etc.), anyone who thinks “We Can All Get Along” is historically ignorant.

    High walls make for good neighbors.

    Western Civ will always produce a cornucopia in comparison to other civilizations. Countries run by Westerners for Westerners will always cast a massive shadow on other places, leaving their occupants in the rage of envy. This would be the case if Western nations never set foot across the border.

    THIS is why there’s a war on the West. Boil it down far enough, all you are left with is envy. And when someone envies, and cannot create the goods themselves, they will TAKE the goods if possible, and if that’s not possible then they’ll burn them to the ground. To the envious, “If I can’t have yours, I’ll make sure you can’t have it either.”

    This is the view that animates the current war on Western Civilization.

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  57. @daniel le mouche
    unz is losing it. i've read a couple such pure establishment articles here this week--drivel! the mind control gang (cia, mi6, etc) finally got him. on guard for more, and more, DRIVEL!
    bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, lie, lie, lie, --insert the name of churchill here--, garbage, crap, yay great britain, blah blah blah

    How did your “mouche” acqure the maculinity of “le” for definite article? Or is this just a modest pose of ignorance by you so resders will feel sorry for you and condescendingly forgive your childish undisciplined blather?

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    little wizzy,
    that certainly was condescending of you to notice, wiz-o. it was an honest mistake, which i found out upon looking it up later but decided to leave as i am indeed masculine. thanks for checking, and speaking up for all the other resders,
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  58. @Paul Rain
    They used to be.

    The 'Tottenham Outrage' is a great example- with the unarmed policemen in hot pursuit of twisted, foreign aliens being lent rides and handed handguns by decent British citizens (as noone named 'Masood' will ever be)- in the hope that they might be able to better employ them to gun down the alien scum.

    Unfortunately, while the chaps who lent their vehicles to the pursuit certainly helped, your armed gentleman of 1909 would be just as unrealistic in thinking a bobby would be a better shot than him as a concealed carrier in the modern US would be. How about some better options?

    # Don't let anyone from any nation which has a consanganuity rate of >35% (Iran) into your country
    # Encourage those of such nationalities to leave, with monetary or kniphofic incentives
    # Arm the British people
    # Consider arming police officers if the Welsh or the Irish start acting up

    I believe an historically unprecedented, elevated social mood mania led to all these ruinous public policies in Western nations. Only people immersed in “Everything Is AWESOME” “We Are The World” levels of collective trust and optimism could consent to such mass-minded, self-destructive policies.

    I also believe social mood’s rises and falls exhibit a patterned fractal, within which little rises are followed by little falls, and big rises are followed then by big falls. I anticipate that the catastrophes embedded in nations during this long run-up are THE pre-conditions necessary to the kind of strife now baked into the future.

    Just as the Hivemind consented to inviting immiscible peoples into their midsts during the last 50 years of rising social mood, the Hivemind will turn in RAGE on the very people who were previously invited once social mood rolls over and plunges in a decline commensurate with the prior rise.

    All the signs point to this now. All I await is evidence that the decline in social mood has exited this transition period of “mixed signals” and all engines are in dive mode. When stock markets in Europe and the Anglosphere all begin historic declines, we’ll know to look for tsunamis of rage to wash across each of those countries.

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  59. macilrae says:

    I lived in London in the early 1960s and of course that was a more innocent time – it was before the IRA bombings, one of which, a decade later, I also witnessed. It was also before the invasion of Iraq which fueled the cause which is now supplying so many willing jihadis.

    As I turn this horrible episode over in my mind I contemplate on what is happening today in Mosul (which the BBC tells us is a sad necessity) and what happened before in Aleppo (which they told us was a vile Russian atrocity). I contemplate on Tony Blair and his invasion and whether he is any less evil, less murderous, than Abu Izzadeen who also killed innocents that had done him no harm. Is the difference just a matter of scale and spin?

    I hear the British politicians speaking bravely of how we shall not be perturbed by this event: we shall continue to go about our business as before; preserving “our values”. Our values! The same values that mediated Iraq, Afganistan and Libya killing over a million innocent people? The values that oblige us to speak out boldly against Islamic terror but virtually never against Israeli terror?

    Eventually we shall come to scrutinize ourselves and ask “could it possibly be that we are doing something here to make ourselves vulnerable to these crazed individuals?” Right now the climate created by the politicians and their media has managed to render such speculation un-patriotic.

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    The political class are scum.

    That doesn't change the fact that importing low IQ people as cheap labor means their children will sit at the bottom of the heap - permanently.

    And as a result the oligarchs who are bribing the political class to provide the cheap labor are building a future Belfast in every western city.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    Do you think "we" are still doing things likely to make ourselves vullnerable to crazed individuals who can be radicalised by Islamists? The Iraq war and maybe the overthrow pf Gadaffi and interference inSuria may have contributed, but don't we appear to have learned some srnse?

    As to "values" I am sure you know those using the term would say that what they say has nothing to do with fighting wars in the ME.
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  60. @WorkingClass
    The wanton murder of non-combatants is appalling. The "west" murders them in the thousands year after year. Back in the day, when I was a soldier, we murdered them in the hundreds of thousands in South East Asia.

    Mr. Class… Back when you were then a soldier (very carefully worded!) does it happen that you were, in fact, a soldier in SE Asia; and if so what was your job there? And do clarify please if you were part of the 80% or so of the US veterans of the VN war who were REMFs (NTTAWWT!), then how would you know who and how many got “murdered” and by which sides’ firepower towards what objectives?

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  61. @Wizard of Oz
    He's been let out again, uncured. Don't provoke him with contradiction. You see, he just knows....

    Every now and then, the inner troll in me feels the need to respond to verbose tinfoil screeching with one line responses.

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    verbose tinfoil screeching
     
    Tinfoil, eh?

    Look, when you have any of these events, the first analytical tool is cui bono, i.e. who benefits. What you have with all this terrorism stuff is that the alleged perpetrators do not benefit in the slightest by the act. So, you have some narrative wherein there is some political movement in the Middle East, like Syria or Yemen, or someplace that wants to kill some random homos in a bar in Orlando, Florida, or now they want to kill some random people on a bridge in London.

    Do you bother to even ask: why do they want to kill the homos in the bar in Florida? Why don't they do something that makes some sense? No, apparently, we all know that this what Muslims do, they just do crazy senseless shit because they're Muslims, right? And the people who don't buy into this, they're the ones wearing the tinfoil hates, right?


    with one line responses
     
    Well, you can do that, I guess. But maybe you would do better actually trying to formulate a proper argument. Look, to get you started, here is a basic question you can ponder. In these cases, where you have these events, what should you do?

    A. Assume that the MSM narrative is truthful.
    B. Ask the basic cui bono question and try to figure out what is really going on.

    Which is the more intelligent approach, Daniel? A or B?
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  62. @Jason Liu
    It is a small incident, and 4 dead is no big deal. If you want to advocate ethnic homogeneity, then just do that. Relying on 'immigrant crime' as justification for nationalism will never work with the general public.

    Relying on ‘immigrant crime’ as justification for nationalism will never work with the general public.

    You really haven’t examined history much, huh? Or read Orwell? Was yesterday really the same as today, and tomorrow will be the same, too?

    (chuckle.)

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  63. Amanda says:
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    While the article you linked raises questions, the author seems inexplicably unaware that London is one of the most video-camera saturated places on Earth.

    No doubt there are a dozen cameras that contain video of the SUV traveling toward its destination. That their recordings are not widely disseminated is the question the author should have asked.
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  64. @Wizard of Oz
    How did your "mouche" acqure the maculinity of "le" for definite article? Or is this just a modest pose of ignorance by you so resders will feel sorry for you and condescendingly forgive your childish undisciplined blather?

    little wizzy,
    that certainly was condescending of you to notice, wiz-o. it was an honest mistake, which i found out upon looking it up later but decided to leave as i am indeed masculine. thanks for checking, and speaking up for all the other resders,
    d

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    Hey Dan,

    Check this out...

    How did your “mouche” acqure the maculinity (sic) of
     
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  65. @Amanda
    https://www.sott.net/article/346109-Westminster-Car-Terror-Attack-Raises-Questions

    While the article you linked raises questions, the author seems inexplicably unaware that London is one of the most video-camera saturated places on Earth.

    No doubt there are a dozen cameras that contain video of the SUV traveling toward its destination. That their recordings are not widely disseminated is the question the author should have asked.

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    From the article:

    Just for the record, I can find no evidence that there is an automated CCTV or webcam in this restaurant or on the exterior top of the tower that points at Westminster bridge (there might be one at MI5 HQ, however). In case you were wondering why, in a city like London that is infamous for its preponderance of security cameras (where the average Londoner can expect to be photographed 300 times per day), there is no better footage of the attack, last September all CCTV cameras in Westminster were shut off to 'save money'.

    I've looked into enough of these so called terrorist attacks, and I no longer believe in any of them. I believe they are staged by TPTB/intelligence agencies working for the central banks who want more war. It's just too convenient that after the Soviet Union fell, the Muslims started to act up. The CIA/MI6 have lots of connections to "radicalized Muslims"--they are simply a tool of Western imperialism"
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/unmasking-the-muslim-brotherhood-syria-egypt-and-beyond/5315406
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-struggles-to-install-proxy-brotherhood-in-egypt/31552
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/america-created-al-qaeda-and-the-isis-terror-group/5402881

    Sibel Edmonds has talked about what we are seeing as Gladio B (based on NATO's Operation Gladio and the strategy of tension from the post WW2 days)
    , @animalogic
    I have another question, seemingly not overwhelmingly important ANYWHERE.
    Was this Masood man a terrorist or a scumbag psychotic ?
    At this point it's not clear either way: late convert to Islam, spent # of years in Saudi (born in UK) , long history of petty crimes & assaults. Family man, quiet, gardener, neighbour said was OK, some kind of intelligence investigation years ago -- found to be "low risk". No known "network" - but 10 or so associates being held for aid/abet .
    Reminds me of the cretin in Sydney, who held hostages in a chocolate shop. He invented connection to ISIS (or who ever) to give his pathetic vicious antics some "meaning". Terrorist ? Or major dead-Shit ?
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  66. Talha says:
    @Johnny Smoggins
    "Have to admit though, this method is low-grade and very, very difficult to catch if some random guy wants to pull it off. A car and a knife and solo ......."

    If your brothers were smarter they'd probably figure out that sending one of their guys into a busy Starbucks at 8 a.m. with a bomb belt would be much more effective.

    Hey JSmoggins,

    To be honest, the guys who sign up for nihilist ‘Uncle Baghdadi Wants YOU’ propaganda may not be dealing with a full deck. So likely, any handling of explosives is far more likely to start a fire in their apartment or basement. Also, buying those materials would likely be more suspicious than buying/renting a car, eh?

    In short:

    Peace.

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  67. Eagle Eye says:
    @Pilemon
    Winston Churchill, for all his great achievements, was not a recognised authority on Islam. The fact that it is him that you quote indicates that you are not either.

    Churchill was a deeply flawed man who – whatever his subjective motivations – played a key role in losing the British Empire through two disastrous world wars. However, his qualification to speak about Islam after long exposure to its manifestation cannot be doubted.

    In courts of law, the institution of the “lay expert” is well recognized: i.e. a person who, while not having any FORMAL training in a subject, has become an “expert” through long practice and exposure.

    A typical expert is a drug addict who is highly knowledgeable about types, grades, street names and prices of drugs.

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  68. 5371 says:
    @Alan Wong

    I think that we need to focus less on Jihad and more on asking why certain Muslims have been targeting the West (US, NATO States, and Israel) for the past 40 years or more.
     
    Uh, no, the West has been targeting the Muslim countries. All of this campaign of psy-ops, false flags and hoaxes, exists to establish a pretext in the public's mind for all the attacks against Muslim countries.

    Is it really just about theology?

     

    Of course not. All of that is just a synthetic narrative.

    After all, there are many tens of millions of orthodox Muslims out there in countries like Indonesia. Yet these Muslims rarely attack any Western target. How come? It’s the same religion, after all.
     
    I hope all of this is just a deliberately silly question.

    Look, suppose one were creating a similar synthetic narrative about Roman Catholicism. The Colombian drug lords are all Roman Catholics! Oy vey! Look, the Sicilian Mafia, that's all Roman Catholics too!

    And then, along these lines, you would ask: "But hold on, there are all these Catholics in Poland, say, and they aren't involved in any of that. What's going on?"

    Well, it's a silly question, because A. The Catholics in Poland are completely different people and B. all the various criminality has nothing to do with Roman Catholicism anyway.

    Just a coincidence?
     
    No, but you may be reversing causality somewhat.

    Just asking.
     
    Well, okay, but an initial step in finding an answer is figuring out what events are real, organic events, and what events are synthetic.

    The synthetic events exist in order to establish a synthetic narrative, which is that the West is under attack from something called "Radical Islam".

    Why are you sock-puppeteering, Jonathan Revusky?

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  69. Kyle a says:
    @Pilemon
    Winston Churchill, for all his great achievements, was not a recognised authority on Islam. The fact that it is him that you quote indicates that you are not either.

    He was one hell of a prophet though. A visionary.

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    Enoch Powell was a far greater prophet than Winston Churchill
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  70. Tom Welsh says:

    Not much mention of this in the British media today:

    http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2017/03/24/515430/Iraq-mosul-civilian-kill-USled-airstrike-Daesh

    Clearly 3-10 dead British and American people are far more important than 230 dead Iraqi people.

    What, us racist?

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    "Clearly 3-10 dead British and American people are far more important than 230 dead Iraqi people."

    To the British (real British, not diversity) and Americans, yes. To Iraqi's, no.

    "What, us racist?"

    Everyone is, if they are intellectually honest enough to admit it. And guess what? It is a sign of common sense and the ability to think for oneself. The modern day narrative of "We're all of the same race. The human race", "We all bleed red", "We're an immigrant nation", "Diversity is our strength" is just so much sloganeering unaccompanied by any thought about what these childish platitudes imply. The idea that two fundamentally different groups of people will somehow overcome their genetic coding and forge a utopia is disputed by the entire panoply of human existence. Those that look upon reality and want to insert their own narrative will eventually see what fools they were. That is, if they live long enough. The mindset that one people can replace another people and the exact same outcome would occur is utter madness. You cannot put water in a crankcase just because both oil and water are liquids. You cannot replace the English by importing pakis. It doesn't work that way
    , @anon

    What, us racist?
     
    The Muslim gangs involved in forcing white children into prostitution across Europe use phrases like "white whores" every third sentence.

    The media don't report that either.
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  71. joe webb says:

    To: Joe Webb
    Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 11:43 AM
    Subject: Fw: NYTimes.com: Man in Antwerp, Belgium, Tries to Drive Into Crowd (“Man”….not Muzzie )

    Also today in jewyorktimes is the report on Erdogan threatening white folks in Europe…..as I emailed last night. Since it appears it jewyorktimes, it must be true and fit to print.

    1, Then there is this one, following yesterday’s driver-terror caper in Londonistan. He missed everybody…suggesting the need for a better muzzie driver-terror instruction manual.

    2. The polls show that muzzies in Europe self-reporting that 20 per cent of them believe in Sharia law. That means that Allah, merciful and compassionate, should rule, not secular folks who believe in voting. 50 million muzzies in Europe. the 20 percent can only mean that 20 percent of adult muzzies so believe. So if you try to figure out how many adults there are out of 50 million, you still get a whopping number of several million muzzies capable of military and terrorist actions.

    The militaries in Europe are not blind to this reality, even if the liberals, not knowing whether to shit or go blind, have , by their Big Words of Racial Equality, ripped out their eyes, sorta like Oedipus, maybe discovering that they have fucked their Mother…European Civilization. So be it , they say. Third World Revolution Now!! Social Justice…Kill White Skin Privilege! Now!

    Ahem…
    I noticed that Nigel Farange last night on Fox News said, that it is not Racial, it is Cultural, thus getting his plausible deniability ducks in a row. Muzzies are just Culturally deprived. OK fine.
    That will work for now. Of course, he could have stated, like the Republican congressman did a few days ago, that what Europe could do is Adopt all the muzzie kids and bring them up in their nice White Christian homes, teaching them Free Speech and Magna Carta, and all of that, and thus Change their Culture. ( Adoption studies suggest , or prove, that , for example, adopting blacks into nice white middle class homes, makes zero difference. Genes, not nice white environments, count.)

    The US congressman was deploying his own plausible deniability while skewering the race equality swamp fevered liberals here at home. heh heh.

    So, since as Malcolm used to say, bullets not ballots is what the muzzies prefer. Wasn’t Malcolm a muzzie? And wasn’t he the recipient of black/muzzie bullets from Allah’s American Prophet of Blackness and Brownness? Wait till Farrakhan fatwas Revolt! with their Brothers and Sisters in Europe. Great….the killing fields will be in the central cities of the US too. Every single black-muzzie killed. Allah proven to be a bitch.

    Europe is about to experience its next big war. The plus side of it is that if Europe and Whites survive, and we will because of lots of tough white men, the Race Equality Delusion will be finished forever. Liberalism will be Finished Forever as well. On with the Counter-Revolution!

    Joe Webb

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  72. joe webb says:
    @lena b

    Virtually all of these crazed ‘Jihadists’ hail from countries like Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Palestine, Syria, Pakistan, Yemen and Lebanon. Doesn’t that tell you something?
     
    1) A lot of terrorists come from Saudi Arabia. 2) Indonesian Muslims have been attacking, harassing and even beheading Indonesian Christians since mid-90s.

    Interestingly, this coincides with the time when Saudi proselytisers appeared in the region. Doesn't that tell you something?

    what is telling is this: behind 90% of the muzzie caper-killing of Europeans is the theft of Palestine.

    If Israel did not exist,……

    Joe Webb

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    Islam has been expanding by conquest since day one - as prescribed in the Koran.

    (They're not unique in this of course but they're not an exception either.)
    , @iffen
    If Israel did not exist

    If Israel did not exist, it would be necessary for some to invent it or a reasonable facsimile to serve the same purpose.

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  73. @Wizard of Oz
    Why did Oswald kill Tippit?

    Why did Oswald kill Tippit?

    He didn’t. Oswald didn’t kill anybody.

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    So who killed Tippit snd why?
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  74. @Tom Welsh
    Not much mention of this in the British media today:

    http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2017/03/24/515430/Iraq-mosul-civilian-kill-USled-airstrike-Daesh

    Clearly 3-10 dead British and American people are far more important than 230 dead Iraqi people.

    What, us racist?

    “Clearly 3-10 dead British and American people are far more important than 230 dead Iraqi people.”

    To the British (real British, not diversity) and Americans, yes. To Iraqi’s, no.

    “What, us racist?”

    Everyone is, if they are intellectually honest enough to admit it. And guess what? It is a sign of common sense and the ability to think for oneself. The modern day narrative of “We’re all of the same race. The human race”, “We all bleed red”, “We’re an immigrant nation”, “Diversity is our strength” is just so much sloganeering unaccompanied by any thought about what these childish platitudes imply. The idea that two fundamentally different groups of people will somehow overcome their genetic coding and forge a utopia is disputed by the entire panoply of human existence. Those that look upon reality and want to insert their own narrative will eventually see what fools they were. That is, if they live long enough. The mindset that one people can replace another people and the exact same outcome would occur is utter madness. You cannot put water in a crankcase just because both oil and water are liquids. You cannot replace the English by importing pakis. It doesn’t work that way

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    I didn't say any of the things you seem to disagree with. What I said was that it is racist to care more about the deaths of three people in London than of 230 in Iraq - the more so as the dead Iraqis were killed by an air strike that was either American or American-led.

    You may even disagree with that. But my remark was directed towards the British and US governments, both of which go to great lengths to stress their supposed belief that "all people are created equal" and their intolerance of racism in any shape or form.

    Yet their deeds clearly show that they are at least as racist as their colonialist predecessors of the nineteenth century - who were at least honest about their prejudices.
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  75. Tom Welsh says:
    @Anonymous White Male
    "Clearly 3-10 dead British and American people are far more important than 230 dead Iraqi people."

    To the British (real British, not diversity) and Americans, yes. To Iraqi's, no.

    "What, us racist?"

    Everyone is, if they are intellectually honest enough to admit it. And guess what? It is a sign of common sense and the ability to think for oneself. The modern day narrative of "We're all of the same race. The human race", "We all bleed red", "We're an immigrant nation", "Diversity is our strength" is just so much sloganeering unaccompanied by any thought about what these childish platitudes imply. The idea that two fundamentally different groups of people will somehow overcome their genetic coding and forge a utopia is disputed by the entire panoply of human existence. Those that look upon reality and want to insert their own narrative will eventually see what fools they were. That is, if they live long enough. The mindset that one people can replace another people and the exact same outcome would occur is utter madness. You cannot put water in a crankcase just because both oil and water are liquids. You cannot replace the English by importing pakis. It doesn't work that way

    I didn’t say any of the things you seem to disagree with. What I said was that it is racist to care more about the deaths of three people in London than of 230 in Iraq – the more so as the dead Iraqis were killed by an air strike that was either American or American-led.

    You may even disagree with that. But my remark was directed towards the British and US governments, both of which go to great lengths to stress their supposed belief that “all people are created equal” and their intolerance of racism in any shape or form.

    Yet their deeds clearly show that they are at least as racist as their colonialist predecessors of the nineteenth century – who were at least honest about their prejudices.

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  76. @Daniel Chieh
    Every now and then, the inner troll in me feels the need to respond to verbose tinfoil screeching with one line responses.

    verbose tinfoil screeching

    Tinfoil, eh?

    Look, when you have any of these events, the first analytical tool is cui bono, i.e. who benefits. What you have with all this terrorism stuff is that the alleged perpetrators do not benefit in the slightest by the act. So, you have some narrative wherein there is some political movement in the Middle East, like Syria or Yemen, or someplace that wants to kill some random homos in a bar in Orlando, Florida, or now they want to kill some random people on a bridge in London.

    Do you bother to even ask: why do they want to kill the homos in the bar in Florida? Why don’t they do something that makes some sense? No, apparently, we all know that this what Muslims do, they just do crazy senseless shit because they’re Muslims, right? And the people who don’t buy into this, they’re the ones wearing the tinfoil hates, right?

    with one line responses

    Well, you can do that, I guess. But maybe you would do better actually trying to formulate a proper argument. Look, to get you started, here is a basic question you can ponder. In these cases, where you have these events, what should you do?

    A. Assume that the MSM narrative is truthful.
    B. Ask the basic cui bono question and try to figure out what is really going on.

    Which is the more intelligent approach, Daniel? A or B?

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    Excellent comment, Jonathan Revusky.
    , @anon

    What you have with all this terrorism stuff is that the alleged perpetrators do not benefit in the slightest by the act.
     
    Jihadist terrorism is win-win.

    Either the political class grovel to Islamists via "community cohesion" programs allowing the Islamists to increase their control over Muslim ethnic enclaves.

    Or the political class crack down, increasing radicalization.

    The only thing that can work is halting (and ideally reversing) immigration and that is the only thing the political class won't do because they are paid by oligarchs to provide cheap labor.
    , @Anatoly Karlin
    It's pretty ridiculous to assume that cui bono applies to everything, least of all to people who are looking at martyrdom/death or life in prison upon doing their deed, but okay, let's for a moment entertain that its a legitimate way of looking at things.

    Since the rise of Islamic terrorism, Muslims haven't been expelled from the West, nor had their rights infringed upon to any significant extent.

    To the contrary, Western elites have been ingratiating themsleves with Muslim communities, at the expense of free speech. For instance, just today, Canada passed a motion against Islamophobia.

    I don't know if Islamic terrorism has benefitted Muslim communities in the West, but it sure hasn't hurt them.
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  77. Pericles says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    I think Dr. Thompson is pretty smart.
     
    Well, okay, Daniel. But if the guy is so smart, then he can defend himself. He doesn't need you! :-)

    Well, actually, in some ways, I'm sure he is pretty smart. But the article is beyond stupid. The bit where he quotes the great "defender of freedom", Winston Churchill, as an expert on Islam, all that's just stupidity squared. It really is.

    But I wrote about the phenomenon, invented a term for it. HIQI, High IQ idiot. That is somebody with a high IQ but a low BDQ, i.e. Bullshit Detection Quotient.

    Anyway, all these terrorist incidents that are being attributed to ISIS, or whatever, these are hoaxes basically. It's all bullshit. The patsies who get framed for these things are already on the radar of all the State security apparatus. None of them can take a shit without the authorities knowing about it. Their phones are tapped and half the people in their milieu are Deep State infiltrators. It's a patsy milieu basically, and if you don't understand what I mean by that, then you need to get educated. And then when you do get educated about these issues, you'll end up realizing that what I said about Dr. Thompson's article is, unfortunately, simply correct.

    None of all this synthetic narrative about "radical Islamic terrorism" withstands any scrutiny really. It's all bullshit. It just is.

    Some years ago, I saw a couple of articles about the war in Iraq where the clans dressed their surplus retards and mongoloids in suicide vests and sent them to visit the targets of the day. Is this the jewish equivalent?

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    Some years ago, I saw a couple of articles about the war in Iraq where the clans dressed their surplus retards and mongoloids in suicide vests and sent them to visit the targets of the day.
     
    In contrast "we" vote ours into office and let 'em run the banks, corporations, and military.
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  78. Pericles says:
    @Otto Zeit
    Churchill may not have been a "recognized authority on Islam," but he was an authority who recognized Islam for what it was and is. His opinion wasn't created in a vacuum, but was formed from first-hand experience. He knew whereof he spoke.
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  79. @dc.sunsets
    Here I believed I was a little tinfoil hatty.

    Sorry to break it to you, but life really isn't as much of an inversion as represented in The Matrix.

    Yes, we're saturated with Fake News, just as universities proffer Fake Educations, their graduates have Fake Credentials, multinational food processors sell Fake Foods, the Medical-Insurance-Industrial-Cartel offers Fake Healthcare, etc., etc., etc.

    Not everything, even in the age of CGI, is BS however. Not every vicious action is choreographed by modern MK Ultra masterminds.

    I can only spare so much attention for comments alluding to the utter stupidity of others (given the implication that the commenter is a Giant Intellect by comparison), but yours seem to suggest that you went from believing everything to believing absolutely nothing.

    That's not a mentally stable way to see the world, as far as I can tell.

    Not everything, even in the age of CGI, is BS however. Not every vicious action is choreographed by modern MK Ultra masterminds.

    So let me get this straight. Your argument is that, because some events are not hoaxes (and I agree with you on that) then this specific event is not a hoax.

    I think your grasp of logical argumentation is a tad weak.

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    Did you take the afternoon dosage prior to writing that daft reply? What dc.sunsets posted was amply clear and exactly not the bollocks you concluded from it. It is your narrow vision which prevents you from seeing anything past the weird world you've created for yourself.

    How wretched it must be to live inside your head.

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  80. Anon-og [AKA "Mike Johnson"] says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    verbose tinfoil screeching
     
    Tinfoil, eh?

    Look, when you have any of these events, the first analytical tool is cui bono, i.e. who benefits. What you have with all this terrorism stuff is that the alleged perpetrators do not benefit in the slightest by the act. So, you have some narrative wherein there is some political movement in the Middle East, like Syria or Yemen, or someplace that wants to kill some random homos in a bar in Orlando, Florida, or now they want to kill some random people on a bridge in London.

    Do you bother to even ask: why do they want to kill the homos in the bar in Florida? Why don't they do something that makes some sense? No, apparently, we all know that this what Muslims do, they just do crazy senseless shit because they're Muslims, right? And the people who don't buy into this, they're the ones wearing the tinfoil hates, right?


    with one line responses
     
    Well, you can do that, I guess. But maybe you would do better actually trying to formulate a proper argument. Look, to get you started, here is a basic question you can ponder. In these cases, where you have these events, what should you do?

    A. Assume that the MSM narrative is truthful.
    B. Ask the basic cui bono question and try to figure out what is really going on.

    Which is the more intelligent approach, Daniel? A or B?

    Excellent comment, Jonathan Revusky.

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    Mike, I've read some of your comments about philosophy and so on. I was kinda wondering. Did you read my last article entitled Faith, Reason, Fanaticism, and the Deeper Meaning of the Donald?

    If not, you might find it interesting. No guarantees... :-)
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  81. Anon-og [AKA "Mike Johnson"] says:

    The supposed killer in this supposed ISIS related terrorist act was born Adrian Elms from Kent.

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    Apparently abandoned by a Caribbean immigrant father.

    Possibly converted in prison (as jihadists dominate a lot of UK prisons now).
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  82. MBlanc46 says:
    @unit472
    It wasn't that long ago ( December 26, 2004 ) that the BBC was the best source for breaking news because they threw their website open to survivors of the tsunami in Thailand. They were the only 'reporters' on the scene and it was through them that the world learned something terrible had happened. Of course the BBC, like many MSM outlets, has long since closed their websites to first hand accounts or even comments as smart phones and organized 'hasbara' campaigns have proliferated. Still, there should be a way for news organizations to separate the wheat from the chaff and find responsible comments from amongst those on scene at dramatic news events. There is no guarantee that their 'professional' news reporters will be any more lucid or knowledgeable in an on going 'emergency. One has only to recall, during the first Gulf War, the CNN reporter who, during the Iraqi Scud missile attacks on Saudi Arabia, smelled the fumes from Patriot ABM missile launches, and screamed he was under poison gas attack and fumbled for his gas mask!

    No comment that in any way fails to confirm the dominant Neo-Stalinist narrative would be considered responsible.

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  83. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Anon-og
    The supposed killer in this supposed ISIS related terrorist act was born Adrian Elms from Kent.

    Apparently abandoned by a Caribbean immigrant father.

    Possibly converted in prison (as jihadists dominate a lot of UK prisons now).

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  84. @daniel le mouche
    little wizzy,
    that certainly was condescending of you to notice, wiz-o. it was an honest mistake, which i found out upon looking it up later but decided to leave as i am indeed masculine. thanks for checking, and speaking up for all the other resders,
    d

    Hey Dan,

    Check this out…

    How did your “mouche” acqure the maculinity (sic) of

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    thanks for that, jacques,
    also, in the example you give, there's 'acqure'.
    others from wiz's posts for this article: rhan (than), comparativry, thrre (twice), eripted.
    but so glad he felt superior enough to point out my 'le'.
    one hopes he isn't irish (with supposedly clever irish quote), one surmises he's english (among other reasons for his incoherent comment on ira)
    , @Wizard of Oz
    Genius! Your sense of proportion, or in this case your imagination and powers of observation (about the typos that so easily result from using one finger on a phone) match your usual standard.

    Afterthought: were you intentionally criticising Monsieur Mouche for failing to be as clevrr and diligent as you in detecting a typo. Have you got some sensible children to keep an eye on you - to say "Oh Dad" when you are threatening to go right put of touch and embarrass them?
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  85. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Jonathan Revusky

    verbose tinfoil screeching
     
    Tinfoil, eh?

    Look, when you have any of these events, the first analytical tool is cui bono, i.e. who benefits. What you have with all this terrorism stuff is that the alleged perpetrators do not benefit in the slightest by the act. So, you have some narrative wherein there is some political movement in the Middle East, like Syria or Yemen, or someplace that wants to kill some random homos in a bar in Orlando, Florida, or now they want to kill some random people on a bridge in London.

    Do you bother to even ask: why do they want to kill the homos in the bar in Florida? Why don't they do something that makes some sense? No, apparently, we all know that this what Muslims do, they just do crazy senseless shit because they're Muslims, right? And the people who don't buy into this, they're the ones wearing the tinfoil hates, right?


    with one line responses
     
    Well, you can do that, I guess. But maybe you would do better actually trying to formulate a proper argument. Look, to get you started, here is a basic question you can ponder. In these cases, where you have these events, what should you do?

    A. Assume that the MSM narrative is truthful.
    B. Ask the basic cui bono question and try to figure out what is really going on.

    Which is the more intelligent approach, Daniel? A or B?

    What you have with all this terrorism stuff is that the alleged perpetrators do not benefit in the slightest by the act.

    Jihadist terrorism is win-win.

    Either the political class grovel to Islamists via “community cohesion” programs allowing the Islamists to increase their control over Muslim ethnic enclaves.

    Or the political class crack down, increasing radicalization.

    The only thing that can work is halting (and ideally reversing) immigration and that is the only thing the political class won’t do because they are paid by oligarchs to provide cheap labor.

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  86. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @joe webb
    what is telling is this: behind 90% of the muzzie caper-killing of Europeans is the theft of Palestine.

    If Israel did not exist,......

    Joe Webb

    Islam has been expanding by conquest since day one – as prescribed in the Koran.

    (They’re not unique in this of course but they’re not an exception either.)

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  87. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Tom Welsh
    Not much mention of this in the British media today:

    http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2017/03/24/515430/Iraq-mosul-civilian-kill-USled-airstrike-Daesh

    Clearly 3-10 dead British and American people are far more important than 230 dead Iraqi people.

    What, us racist?

    What, us racist?

    The Muslim gangs involved in forcing white children into prostitution across Europe use phrases like “white whores” every third sentence.

    The media don’t report that either.

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    This behavior is terrible and these ethnic gangs needs to be given 'das boot'! A no - tolerance policy needs to be initiated. But bro, stick around this site long enough and wait until the topic of women comes up. It's quite evident that plenty of White men use phrases equivalent to "White whores" every third sentence. Just sayin'...

    Peace.

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  88. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @macilrae
    I lived in London in the early 1960s and of course that was a more innocent time - it was before the IRA bombings, one of which, a decade later, I also witnessed. It was also before the invasion of Iraq which fueled the cause which is now supplying so many willing jihadis.

    As I turn this horrible episode over in my mind I contemplate on what is happening today in Mosul (which the BBC tells us is a sad necessity) and what happened before in Aleppo (which they told us was a vile Russian atrocity). I contemplate on Tony Blair and his invasion and whether he is any less evil, less murderous, than Abu Izzadeen who also killed innocents that had done him no harm. Is the difference just a matter of scale and spin?

    I hear the British politicians speaking bravely of how we shall not be perturbed by this event: we shall continue to go about our business as before; preserving "our values". Our values! The same values that mediated Iraq, Afganistan and Libya killing over a million innocent people? The values that oblige us to speak out boldly against Islamic terror but virtually never against Israeli terror?

    Eventually we shall come to scrutinize ourselves and ask "could it possibly be that we are doing something here to make ourselves vulnerable to these crazed individuals?" Right now the climate created by the politicians and their media has managed to render such speculation un-patriotic.

    The political class are scum.

    That doesn’t change the fact that importing low IQ people as cheap labor means their children will sit at the bottom of the heap – permanently.

    And as a result the oligarchs who are bribing the political class to provide the cheap labor are building a future Belfast in every western city.

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  89. Isn’t the protection of their own people first duty of the Government?

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    Isn’t the protection of their own people first duty of the Government?

     

    Well, that's the usual excuse for it, and most people actually believe it. Even in the unlikely event that a government is formed for that reason, history shows it doesn't take long for it to devolve into a protection racket.

    “The primitive state is the creation of warlike robbery; and only by warlike robbery can it be preserved.”
    - Franz Oppenheimer, The State [1919] , Chap II,(d) the primitive feudal state of higher grade

    http://oll.libertyfund.org/index.php?option=com_staticxt&staticfile=show.php%3Ftitle=1662&Itemid=99999999
     

    [Confucius and his companions], passing through rugged and deserted mountains on their way, were surprised to find an old woman weeping beside a grave.

    Confucius sent Tsze-loo to inquire the cause of her grief. "My husband's father," she answered, "was killed here by a tiger, and my husband also; and now my son has met the same fate." When Confucius asked why she persisted in living in so dangerous a place, she replied: "There is no oppressive government here."

    "My children," said Confucius to his students, "remember this. Oppressive government is fiercer than a tiger."

    Durant, 662 THE STORY OF CIVILIZATION CHAP. XXIII, p 662


    http://classics.mit.edu/Confucius/analects.html
     

    “… it is to overlook the fact that Man lived in Societies for thousands o years before the State had been heard of it is to forget that so far as Europe is concerned the State is of recent origin - it barely goes back to the sixteenth century; and finally, it is to ignore that the most glorious periods in Man's history are those in which civil liberties and communal life had not yet been destroyed by the State, and in which large numbers of people lived in communes and free federations.
    The State is only one of the forms assumed by society in the course of history. Why then make no distinction between what is permanent and what is accidental?

    Kropotkin, P. "The State: Its Historic Role," London: Freedom Press, 1946.
    Section I

    http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/Anarchist_Archives/kropotkin/state/state_1.html
     

    “ Thus, the State is a coercive criminal organization that subsists by a regularized large-scale system of taxation-theft, and which gets away with it by engineering the support of the majority (not, again, of everyone) through securing an alliance with a group of opinion-moulding intellectuals whom it rewards with a share in its power and pelf.”

    -Murray N. Rothbard, The State versus Liberty

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/1970/01/murray-n-rothbard/a-band-of-thieves-writ-large/

     

    , @dfordoom

    Isn’t the protection of their own people first duty of the Government?
     
    Unfortunately the political class defines "their own people" as referring to other members of the political class.
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  90. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Jason Liu
    It is a small incident, and 4 dead is no big deal. If you want to advocate ethnic homogeneity, then just do that. Relying on 'immigrant crime' as justification for nationalism will never work with the general public.

    Relying on ‘immigrant crime’ as justification for nationalism will never work with the general public.

    Then why does the media bend over backwards to cover it up?

    Even to the extent of deflecting attention with hate hoaxes which incite violence against white kids in school?

    You’re right it can’t work as a tactic while people trust the media hence the focus shouldn’t be on the raw stats but using them to make people realise the media has been lying to them on an epic scale for 50 years.

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  91. @Anon-og
    Excellent comment, Jonathan Revusky.

    Mike, I’ve read some of your comments about philosophy and so on. I was kinda wondering. Did you read my last article entitled Faith, Reason, Fanaticism, and the Deeper Meaning of the Donald?

    If not, you might find it interesting. No guarantees… :-)

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    Excellent piece and no I hadn't read it until you mentioned it. I am going to reread it before adding to the comment section for that article.
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  92. Sam Shama says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Not everything, even in the age of CGI, is BS however. Not every vicious action is choreographed by modern MK Ultra masterminds.
     
    So let me get this straight. Your argument is that, because some events are not hoaxes (and I agree with you on that) then this specific event is not a hoax.

    I think your grasp of logical argumentation is a tad weak.

    Did you take the afternoon dosage prior to writing that daft reply? What dc.sunsets posted was amply clear and exactly not the bollocks you concluded from it. It is your narrow vision which prevents you from seeing anything past the weird world you’ve created for yourself.

    How wretched it must be to live inside your head.

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  93. @Wally
    Just let him bleed out & save the costs

    Just let him bleed out & save the costs

    Well, the reason to keep somebody like that alive would be humanitarianism really. It would be that, if the overall narrative were truthful, and there really is this Jihadist terrorist organization operating in the UK (and throughout Europe) it would be of great interest to be able to extract information from these people, which you cannot do if they are dead. Remember…

    Dead men tell no tales.

    BUT…. actually… that is precisely why the patsies in these operations always end up dead, isn’t it? I mean, we don’t actually want to know who is behind these operations now, do we?

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    Dead men do tell tales, but only the tales that the tale tellers want told.
    , @Jonathan Revusky

    the reason to keep somebody like that alive would be humanitarianism really.
     
    Of course, I meant that the reason to keep somebody like that alive would NOT be humanitarianism.
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  94. @Diversity Heretic
    Based on the pathetic response of the British political and religious leadership, I'm going long on an Islamic Kingdom in the British Isles by 2050.

    If you placed that bet at Ladbroke’s and won, could you collect, or would gambling be against the law?

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  95. Ivan K. says:

    Churchill:

    1) “a statesman who made his reputation defending freedom”:

    Defending his country.

    When Gandhi launched the campaign against the British rule (of ‘peaceful resistance’), Churchill responded that he “ought to be lain bound hand and foot at the gates of Delhi, and then trampled on by an enormous elephant with the new Viceroy seated on its back.”

    2) WSC was very experienced with India, and wrong about its future as independent country: “India will fall back quite rapidly through the centuries into the barbarism and privations of the Middle Ages.”
    (http://ramachandraguha.in/archives/%e2%80%98a-beastly-people%e2%80%a6%e2%80%99.html)
    So, he was mistaken about one foreign culture he was knowledgeable about. Perhaps he was wrong about another, too.

    Islam:

    “We have created our own very enemy: Al-Qaeda, ISIS, … all the other groups around the world. There is no such a thing as a war on terror, there is a war against an opponent, but, for the most part, we, the CIA, and many other intelligence units have created those opponents.”
    - Former U.S. Deputy Assistant Secretary of State, Steve Pieczenik
    (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZqJSBKLRHc)”

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    Islam:
     
    There has been conflict since day one because conflict is natural.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Muslim_conquests

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_pirates

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Empire
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  96. @jacques sheete
    Hey Dan,

    Check this out...

    How did your “mouche” acqure the maculinity (sic) of
     

    thanks for that, jacques,
    also, in the example you give, there’s ‘acqure’.
    others from wiz’s posts for this article: rhan (than), comparativry, thrre (twice), eripted.
    but so glad he felt superior enough to point out my ‘le’.
    one hopes he isn’t irish (with supposedly clever irish quote), one surmises he’s english (among other reasons for his incoherent comment on ira)

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    Wiz is one of those Australians who wishes he was British and supports a foreign monarch on the other side of the world as his head of state. A truly tragic case.

    The typos are likely the result of using his phone though that doesn't explain his convoluted sentence structure.
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  97. iffen says:
    @joe webb
    what is telling is this: behind 90% of the muzzie caper-killing of Europeans is the theft of Palestine.

    If Israel did not exist,......

    Joe Webb

    If Israel did not exist

    If Israel did not exist, it would be necessary for some to invent it or a reasonable facsimile to serve the same purpose.

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  98. iffen says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Just let him bleed out & save the costs
     
    Well, the reason to keep somebody like that alive would be humanitarianism really. It would be that, if the overall narrative were truthful, and there really is this Jihadist terrorist organization operating in the UK (and throughout Europe) it would be of great interest to be able to extract information from these people, which you cannot do if they are dead. Remember...

    Dead men tell no tales.

    BUT.... actually... that is precisely why the patsies in these operations always end up dead, isn't it? I mean, we don't actually want to know who is behind these operations now, do we?

    Dead men do tell tales, but only the tales that the tale tellers want told.

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    Edit please. I don't think you mean what you have said.
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  99. Talha says:
    @anon

    What, us racist?
     
    The Muslim gangs involved in forcing white children into prostitution across Europe use phrases like "white whores" every third sentence.

    The media don't report that either.

    This behavior is terrible and these ethnic gangs needs to be given ‘das boot’! A no – tolerance policy needs to be initiated. But bro, stick around this site long enough and wait until the topic of women comes up. It’s quite evident that plenty of White men use phrases equivalent to “White whores” every third sentence. Just sayin’…

    Peace.

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    It's mostly about money but there's a clear racial/religious element to the rape and forced prostitution of 1000s of children in Europe.
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  100. @Jonathan Revusky

    Just let him bleed out & save the costs
     
    Well, the reason to keep somebody like that alive would be humanitarianism really. It would be that, if the overall narrative were truthful, and there really is this Jihadist terrorist organization operating in the UK (and throughout Europe) it would be of great interest to be able to extract information from these people, which you cannot do if they are dead. Remember...

    Dead men tell no tales.

    BUT.... actually... that is precisely why the patsies in these operations always end up dead, isn't it? I mean, we don't actually want to know who is behind these operations now, do we?

    the reason to keep somebody like that alive would be humanitarianism really.

    Of course, I meant that the reason to keep somebody like that alive would NOT be humanitarianism.

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    This dead men don't tell tales made think that there might be something more sinister with the trigger happy American police shoot to kill rule of engagement. Wounded people who survive talk and can have higher impact in court during civil suits.... "Death solves all problems - no man, no problem" - Joseph Stalin

    I am pretty sure that most troglodytes who work in American police departments do not think about this angle, however, their higher ups are the ones who designed the insane rules of engagement that results in over 1000 dead per year which is 70 times higher rate per capita than in UK.
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  101. @Jonathan Revusky

    verbose tinfoil screeching
     
    Tinfoil, eh?

    Look, when you have any of these events, the first analytical tool is cui bono, i.e. who benefits. What you have with all this terrorism stuff is that the alleged perpetrators do not benefit in the slightest by the act. So, you have some narrative wherein there is some political movement in the Middle East, like Syria or Yemen, or someplace that wants to kill some random homos in a bar in Orlando, Florida, or now they want to kill some random people on a bridge in London.

    Do you bother to even ask: why do they want to kill the homos in the bar in Florida? Why don't they do something that makes some sense? No, apparently, we all know that this what Muslims do, they just do crazy senseless shit because they're Muslims, right? And the people who don't buy into this, they're the ones wearing the tinfoil hates, right?


    with one line responses
     
    Well, you can do that, I guess. But maybe you would do better actually trying to formulate a proper argument. Look, to get you started, here is a basic question you can ponder. In these cases, where you have these events, what should you do?

    A. Assume that the MSM narrative is truthful.
    B. Ask the basic cui bono question and try to figure out what is really going on.

    Which is the more intelligent approach, Daniel? A or B?

    It’s pretty ridiculous to assume that cui bono applies to everything, least of all to people who are looking at martyrdom/death or life in prison upon doing their deed, but okay, let’s for a moment entertain that its a legitimate way of looking at things.

    Since the rise of Islamic terrorism, Muslims haven’t been expelled from the West, nor had their rights infringed upon to any significant extent.

    To the contrary, Western elites have been ingratiating themsleves with Muslim communities, at the expense of free speech. For instance, just today, Canada passed a motion against Islamophobia.

    I don’t know if Islamic terrorism has benefitted Muslim communities in the West, but it sure hasn’t hurt them.

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    Who could possibly foresee any problems.....blowing up, er bringing democracy to 6 or 7 backward ME countries at the behest of the vile Izzies and their Saud goat herder buddies? Who could possibly imagine the inbred muzzies might thirst for revenge? The previous Crusades lasted from 1095 to 1291. So judging by history, there are only 180 years to go!
    , @utu
    Com on, Karlin! You are young. You disappointed me again. Don't settle for it what you too often demonstrate here at unz pages. Expand. Open your mind. You still have a shot to transcend this obrazovanshchina mentality and imagination of the merely educated. Do you want to end up like John Derbyshire, Charles Murray or the author of this note? Their meager sinecures are not worthy of your soul. Aspire for more.
    , @Jonathan Revusky

    It’s pretty ridiculous to assume that cui bono applies to everything,
     
    Well, that's just a straw man. All I said was that "cui bono", asking who benefits from an event, was the logical starting point in one's analysis, that's all.

    least of all to people who are looking at martyrdom/death or life in prison upon doing their deed,
     

    Uhh, yeah, right... Look, Karlin, a very basic rule of logical discourse is that you cannot use the proposition under dispute to prove the proposition under dispute. That's called the "Beg the Question Fallacy". What you're doing is simply assuming that the synthetic narrative we're being offered is true in order to prove that self-same synthetic narrative.

    The fact of the matter is that we have all these events and the alleged perpetrators, who are almost certainly patsies of some sort, they're typically dead at the end of it and they can say anything about these people you want. "They were seeking martyrdom blah blah blah." Okay, maybe, but maybe not. Like, take the Boston Marathon thing. My guess on the Tsarnaev brothers is that whoever was handling them told them to go to such and such place and participate in a drill and next thing you know... But I could be wrong too, how is one to know... the older brother is dead, of course. Another guy, a friend who knew too much, was killed. The younger brother, who was supposed to be killed but survived, is due to get executed and I don't suppose anybody can really talk to him and get his version. It's all a stitch-up. Anybody can look at this and see that. This thing in London is recent, so we don't know as much, but you can bet anything that, as more details emerge, it will be clear to anybody who is awake that this is another one of these synthetic events.

    But anyway, even aside from the blatant resort to question-begging, you're evading the main point here, which is that cui bono, i.e. asking who benefits, really refers to the political organization or movement that is allegedly behind these terrorist acts -- i.e. Al Qaeda or ISIS or whatever they're calling it now. So, for example, the idea is that there is some political movement in the Middle East that wants to kill some pansies in a bar in Orlando, Florida. Somehow they "claimed responsibility". Presumably, these people have a press secretary or something, analogous to the White House press secretary. It's all bullshit...

    But okay, WTF.... they claimed responsibility. So it's like...

    "Praise be Allah! Yes, we killed the queers in the bar! Yes, they deserved to die and we hope they burn in hell!"

    The first of the four articles I wrote on this site discusses this sort of thing in some excruciating detail. Basically, people like you, when presented with something totally laughable like that, basically a comic book, what I called Roger Rabbit narrative, you don't see any problem with it. If somebody points out to you that this is basically a cartoon, you get all sneering and arrogant because your inability to see through a cartoon narrative somehow shows how bloody smart you are.

    Except it doesn't, Karlin. It shows how bloody stupid you are! Or really, actually, it's this sort of desperate need to delude oneself, it's just pathetic...

    You know, one thing that amazes me is how often they stage these things in airports. It used to always be in an actual airplane -- shoe bomber, underwear bomber... -- but now they stage them at the airport. Given all the security at an airport at this point, surely it's the last place any real terrorist (assuming there are any) would attack, right? I mean, think about it. I know your brain is a rather atrophied organ but try to think about it.

    So much of this is just such absurd shit.

    I don’t know if Islamic terrorism has benefitted Muslim communities in the West, but it sure hasn’t hurt them.
     

    Hmm, this reminds me of the Zionist hasbara, where they tell you that Israel isn't oppressing the Palestinians and then they outline (more or less correctly) the situation of the Palestinians in Israel proper, who are Israeli citizens and have their rights largely, can vote etc. The problem is that that's the relatively privileged group of maybe a million Palestinians who are Israeli citizen. Then there are various other millions in the occupied territories, West Bank and Gaza, who have next to no rights, and are basically living in a large open-air prison.

    So they present the relatively privileged group and talk about that as if it's the whole situation. So, similarly, you're talking about Muslim minorities in the Western countries, where the people largely have citizenship and so on and constitutional guarantees, and then just sort of ignoring all the wars in various Muslim countries -- this massive arc of destruction, Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Libya, Syria... the enabling event for all of this was 9/11 basically. And the rest of the synthetic terrorism narrative.

    Now, I would say that, even for the privileged Muslims in Western countries, it's not a complete bowl of cherries. They are under very real psychological pressure, having their culture and religion constantly demonized via all these false flags and hoaxes. But obviously, the real issue is all the wars that were enabled in the various Muslim countries.

    Well, I have enough prior experience in dialogue with you to realize that you are quite a dishonest person. An honest person wouldn't make the kinds of arguments you're making here. Okay, you are also pretty stupid and they say never to attribute to malice that which can be attributed to incompetence. But no, you're not quite that stupid. So it's mostly just dishonesty. These are very intellectually dishonest arguments. I feel I have some duty to respond, but it's really kind of nauseating to talk to somebody this slimy and dishonest.

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  102. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Ivan K.
    Churchill:

    1) "a statesman who made his reputation defending freedom":

    Defending his country.

    When Gandhi launched the campaign against the British rule (of 'peaceful resistance'), Churchill responded that he "ought to be lain bound hand and foot at the gates of Delhi, and then trampled on by an enormous elephant with the new Viceroy seated on its back."

    2) WSC was very experienced with India, and wrong about its future as independent country: "India will fall back quite rapidly through the centuries into the barbarism and privations of the Middle Ages."
    (http://ramachandraguha.in/archives/%e2%80%98a-beastly-people%e2%80%a6%e2%80%99.html)
    So, he was mistaken about one foreign culture he was knowledgeable about. Perhaps he was wrong about another, too.

    Islam:

    "We have created our own very enemy: Al-Qaeda, ISIS, ... all the other groups around the world. There is no such a thing as a war on terror, there is a war against an opponent, but, for the most part, we, the CIA, and many other intelligence units have created those opponents."
    - Former U.S. Deputy Assistant Secretary of State, Steve Pieczenik
    (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZqJSBKLRHc)"
     

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    There has been conflict since day one because conflict is natural.
     
    Absolutely true - if you live in the Age of Empires and are born in the backyard of the ones run by the Sassanids and Byzantines - you learn the language very quickly. And that language is spoken with blood and steel.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lTduTwqtjY

    Let's try to keep our current international framework intact shall we? I love reading the GOT books, but I'd rather not return to that madness if it can be avoided.

    Peace.
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  103. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Talha
    This behavior is terrible and these ethnic gangs needs to be given 'das boot'! A no - tolerance policy needs to be initiated. But bro, stick around this site long enough and wait until the topic of women comes up. It's quite evident that plenty of White men use phrases equivalent to "White whores" every third sentence. Just sayin'...

    Peace.

    It’s mostly about money but there’s a clear racial/religious element to the rape and forced prostitution of 1000s of children in Europe.

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    No doubt about it - these guys wouldn't dare do it within their ethnic and religious communities - they'd have the crap kicked out of them - not even by the whole community, but just the father of the house. I looked at some of the articles on this phenomenon.; unfortunately, too many of the kids they abuse come from really messed up and broken families and, unfortunately, they happen to be White.

    Peace.
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  104. slorter says:

    Meanwhile what is going on in Mosel or Yemen! Does anyone really care!

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  105. @dc.sunsets

    “Large concentrations of people” that you try to avoid: all kinds? Theatre, opera, pop concerts [aren't thrre enough reasons not to be thrre?], football and baseball matches, Presidential inaugurations?
     
    Yep. I am among the subset of people who do not find mass-minded, shared-experience kinds of entertainment interesting. Have you ever wondered what is the draw of a rock concert when, more often than not, the performers' music is better when studio-recorded and remixed? Humans have basically three sections to our brains: one we share with reptiles, one we share with herding animals and one that we share only with other humans. This confers a tendency to herd under conditions of uncertainty (markets, fashions, fads, pop culture, etc.) due to the urge to "fit in."

    Herding behavior occurs, like most human attributes, on a spectrum. Each of us is genetically predisposed to a segment of that spectrum. Nothing we can do allows us to operate in a part of the spectrum outside the segment into which we're born. All we do volitionally is change where in the segment our actions occur.

    I have relatively low herding compulsion. I don't like mass-minded experiences. I don't like immersing myself in a hivemind activity. While I sang lead roles in musicals and operas as a young man, I'm not particularly attracted to attending performances (there are exceptions.) And I hate organized sports, seeing football, soccer, baseball, basketball, etc. as the Circuses of our "Bread and Circus" debauchery. The last rock concert I attended was so loud that I had no choice but to wear ear plugs...which destroys the enjoyment of the music portion of the event, no?

    There are two replies I must make to two implications in your comment.
    1. I have a very individualistic worldview. To me, defending my life from bad people is just as important as determining for myself what foods to eat and exercises to do in order to maximize my health and happiness. The notion that I'd blindly rely EXCLUSIVELY on paid agents of the state to "take care of me" is as foolish as the notion that I'd eschew the use of fire extinguishers and rely EXCLUSIVELY on paid agents of the state for fire suppression. Many cultures are more collectivist in orientation; this is but one more example of why people from those cultures do not belong in the USA other than as tourists.
    2. Be very careful about your comments regarding "very high US [homicide] rates." If you strip out blacks and browns, US violent crime rates drop immediately to pre-ISIS invasion Europe. This is true even accounting for the fact that the USA counts crimes when they occur, and many other countries only count crimes as having occurred if SOMEONE IS CAUGHT AND CONVICTED for them. Needless to say, apples compared to oranges.

    US violent crime is overwhelmingly a product of people here whose ancestors were predominantly in Africa or Latin America.

    For what it’s worth, I share your aversion to crowds–or herds as you call them. The last pack of cigarettes I bought was from a machine at a rock concert (many years ago when cigarette machines existed). I ripped off a couple of filters and stuffed them in my ears. I believe you’re right about our being genetically predisposed to what slice of any spectrum we tolerate and/or enjoy. And your analogy of the fire extinguisher is right on.

    My impression is that American men in particular are much more self reliant than European men who “rely exclusively on paid agents” to do most everything in their lives from changing the oil in their cars to a bit of home remodeling. However, what we used to call “Yankee ingenuity” may be on the wane due to the increasing complexity and opaqueness of our gadgets and machinery. Today, people throw away stuff that has only minor problems, justifying it because it is cheaper to buy a replacement from China than to mend. Maintaining things has become a lost art. Something, some organic attachment to the environment, is lost when we no longer put any care into what we own.

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  106. Talha says:
    @anon
    It's mostly about money but there's a clear racial/religious element to the rape and forced prostitution of 1000s of children in Europe.

    No doubt about it – these guys wouldn’t dare do it within their ethnic and religious communities – they’d have the crap kicked out of them – not even by the whole community, but just the father of the house. I looked at some of the articles on this phenomenon.; unfortunately, too many of the kids they abuse come from really messed up and broken families and, unfortunately, they happen to be White.

    Peace.

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    retarded girls are their favorite
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  107. nsa says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    It's pretty ridiculous to assume that cui bono applies to everything, least of all to people who are looking at martyrdom/death or life in prison upon doing their deed, but okay, let's for a moment entertain that its a legitimate way of looking at things.

    Since the rise of Islamic terrorism, Muslims haven't been expelled from the West, nor had their rights infringed upon to any significant extent.

    To the contrary, Western elites have been ingratiating themsleves with Muslim communities, at the expense of free speech. For instance, just today, Canada passed a motion against Islamophobia.

    I don't know if Islamic terrorism has benefitted Muslim communities in the West, but it sure hasn't hurt them.

    Who could possibly foresee any problems…..blowing up, er bringing democracy to 6 or 7 backward ME countries at the behest of the vile Izzies and their Saud goat herder buddies? Who could possibly imagine the inbred muzzies might thirst for revenge? The previous Crusades lasted from 1095 to 1291. So judging by history, there are only 180 years to go!

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    Agreed. This latest attack in London appears to be a genuine case of vengeance rather than a false-flag of any kind. The police didn't seem to have name, address and pictures ready within minutes as they normally do but seemed to require a little time to actually investigate.

    Kick a hornets nest and one can expect a few painful stings. These events do serve a purpose for some though, those who would impose a police-state will enjoy the luxury of doing so with the full permission of the masses.
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  108. Talha says:
    @anon

    Islam:
     
    There has been conflict since day one because conflict is natural.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Muslim_conquests

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_pirates

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Empire

    There has been conflict since day one because conflict is natural.

    Absolutely true – if you live in the Age of Empires and are born in the backyard of the ones run by the Sassanids and Byzantines – you learn the language very quickly. And that language is spoken with blood and steel.

    Let’s try to keep our current international framework intact shall we? I love reading the GOT books, but I’d rather not return to that madness if it can be avoided.

    Peace.

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    We are returning to that madness because of mass immigration - particularly Muslim.
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  109. KenH says:
    @lena b

    Virtually all of these crazed ‘Jihadists’ hail from countries like Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Palestine, Syria, Pakistan, Yemen and Lebanon. Doesn’t that tell you something?
     
    1) A lot of terrorists come from Saudi Arabia. 2) Indonesian Muslims have been attacking, harassing and even beheading Indonesian Christians since mid-90s.

    Interestingly, this coincides with the time when Saudi proselytisers appeared in the region. Doesn't that tell you something?

    1) A lot of terrorists come from Saudi Arabia. 2) Indonesian Muslims have been attacking, harassing and even beheading Indonesian Christians since mid-90s.

    In Indonesia, there were church burnings and desecrations from 1999-2002 and in 2011 peaceful Muslims burned three Christian churches to the ground. Indonesia is a peaceful Muslim nation according to some free of inter-religious squabbling and conflict. But you and I must understand that the Christians must have brought it on themselves since the geniuses and Muslim apologists tell us that Muslims never commit acts of violence against non-Muslims unless provoked or acting as unwitting patsies of Western intelligence services.

    The Christians who met cruel deaths in Indonesia must have been “making mischief in the land” or some other flimsy pretext Muslims use to kill non-Muslims.

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    Right let's ignore the fact the Arab Christians have existed for centuries in many of these countries including present day Iraq and the head chopping didn't start until we sent our boys into their regions to "liberate" them. And if there have been Christian missionaries who have had their asses handed to them in some of these countries, I'm pretty sure the track record of slaughter that they and their likes have left all over including the massacring of so many in the Western Hemisphere doesn't exactly give these white crusaders for Christianity the best reputation.
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  110. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Talha

    There has been conflict since day one because conflict is natural.
     
    Absolutely true - if you live in the Age of Empires and are born in the backyard of the ones run by the Sassanids and Byzantines - you learn the language very quickly. And that language is spoken with blood and steel.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lTduTwqtjY

    Let's try to keep our current international framework intact shall we? I love reading the GOT books, but I'd rather not return to that madness if it can be avoided.

    Peace.

    We are returning to that madness because of mass immigration – particularly Muslim.

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    I don't like or want Muslim Immigration, but it seems the Muslims are doing what white patriots should be doing. Though violence is unpleasant and ideally to be avoided, one must resort to it in war. And the West is in a state of war, in which Muslims are not the main problem. If anything, Muslims are showing the way of what it takes to fight. They fight stupidly and carry out useless acts of political violence, but their violence is a symptom of what is seriously wrong in the sick and degenerate West.

    There is a war on the identity, history, heritage, culture, and territory of white nations. White minds are being colonized with PC virus. It is a kind of covert psychological war, a 'long march through the institutions'. And Pop Culture is filled with anti-white filth. It is precisely because white minds have been colonized & infected with the degenerate globo-virus that white people are so gutless and defenseless against the great defamation(of white character) and great invasion(of white lands).

    So, white people should be organizing and uniting and waging war, even violent war, on the enemies of whites.

    But whites have allowed Negroes to run riot and beat up white guys and colonize white wombs. Whites have allowed Jewish globalists to turn upside down the meaning of America, Canada, and Europe. Globalists say even UK and Germany are 'nations of immigrants'.
    Whites have allowed homos to spread filth all over and desecrate marriage and even churches. Whites have allowed feminists to drive a wedge between the sacred unity of white men and white women. And all of this was NOT done by Muslims but by globalists, feminists, Negroes, and homos.

    The Muslim alternative to globalism is pretty sucky, not least because most of us aren't Muslim. Still, they will not swallow the filth of the current malaise that afflicts the West. They will not cave to 'gay marriage' or worship the Negro or take orders from feminist or bend over to homos. Muslims stick to their own values and visions. If any homo tried to stick a homo flag in a Mosque, Muslims would tear him from limb to limb. And no Muslim father will accept his daughter acting like a whore. Now, I don't like the Muslim Way for womenfolk, but the fact is Muslims will not succumb to the materialist hedonist filth(even though individual Muslims do indulge in vice on the side).

    Now, one might argue that Western Values are about 'free speech', and that is why Muslims are bad. They are intolerant. Really? West gave us Marxism, and that was censorious. And censorship was rife even in European democracies in the past. Only the objects of censorship has changed. Also, Progs and the Left no longer even belief in 'free speech'. Look how they endorsed the punching of Spencer and didn't complain much about the violence at Berkeley(over Milo) and Middlebury(over Murray).

    So, it is war. When the other side is willing to use ANY MEANS to bully your side and attack you, counter-violence is justified.

    So, when white patriots take pride by claiming, 'We don't act like those violent Muslims', they really should feel shame. It is because you don't act stand up and fight and commit acts of counter-violence that you've lost over and over to the Progs, Negroes, homos, and massive invasion.

    , @Talha

    We are returning to that madness because of mass immigration – particularly Muslim.
     
    This is putting the cart before the horse - there were no huddled masses of boat people crossing into Europe by the thousands before the destabilization of the Middle East beginning with war on Iraq and igniting to include Syria, Yemen and Libya - and what the hell are we still doing in Afghanistan (Bin Ladin is dead and it's a frickin' land-locked country)??!!

    retarded girls are their favorite
     
    Probably. Criminals try to choose the most vulnerable and those whose testimony would be less credible in court - makes perfect sense. If you haven't already, read up on the kinds and level of sexual assaults that take place in old-age facilities and the hands of the staff. These vile people go after those with dementia, those that can barely see, can't talk, etc. because they are less capable of testifying against them.

    Peace.
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  111. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Talha
    No doubt about it - these guys wouldn't dare do it within their ethnic and religious communities - they'd have the crap kicked out of them - not even by the whole community, but just the father of the house. I looked at some of the articles on this phenomenon.; unfortunately, too many of the kids they abuse come from really messed up and broken families and, unfortunately, they happen to be White.

    Peace.

    retarded girls are their favorite

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  112. Anon-og [AKA "Mike Johnson"] says:
    @KenH

    1) A lot of terrorists come from Saudi Arabia. 2) Indonesian Muslims have been attacking, harassing and even beheading Indonesian Christians since mid-90s.
     
    In Indonesia, there were church burnings and desecrations from 1999-2002 and in 2011 peaceful Muslims burned three Christian churches to the ground. Indonesia is a peaceful Muslim nation according to some free of inter-religious squabbling and conflict. But you and I must understand that the Christians must have brought it on themselves since the geniuses and Muslim apologists tell us that Muslims never commit acts of violence against non-Muslims unless provoked or acting as unwitting patsies of Western intelligence services.

    The Christians who met cruel deaths in Indonesia must have been "making mischief in the land" or some other flimsy pretext Muslims use to kill non-Muslims.

    Right let’s ignore the fact the Arab Christians have existed for centuries in many of these countries including present day Iraq and the head chopping didn’t start until we sent our boys into their regions to “liberate” them. And if there have been Christian missionaries who have had their asses handed to them in some of these countries, I’m pretty sure the track record of slaughter that they and their likes have left all over including the massacring of so many in the Western Hemisphere doesn’t exactly give these white crusaders for Christianity the best reputation.

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    let’s ignore the fact the Arab Christians have existed for centuries in many of these countries
     
    good point - in most of those countries Christians were the vast majority before the Arab invasions
    , @KenH

    Right let’s ignore the fact the Arab Christians have existed for centuries in many of these countries including present day Iraq
     
    Right, and let's ignore the fact that Middle Eastern Christians are now on the verge of annihilation despite living in the region longer than Muslims. How does the American invasion give Muslims license to begin mass murdering and torturing them? You're just a cop out artist and the type that seeks to vindicate violent Muslims no matter the evidence. Since you seem like a hard case I advise you to offer yourself up to ISIS to have your big fat head severed as penance for the invasion of Iraq.

    Just who have Christians persecuted or killed in Indonesia, Mikey?

    I’m pretty sure the track record of slaughter that they and their likes have left all over including the massacring of so many in the Western Hemisphere
     
    The indigenous peoples were slaughtering, torturing and in some cases, eating each other long before the pale faced Christians arrived in the Western Hemisphere. If you are overcome with guilt then leave the Western hemisphere and go find a nation, people and religion more to your liking.

    Islam has a pretty impressive track record of slaughter, rape and rapine, and they don't take second to any Christians. Are you saying that Muslims have never done what you are accusing Christians of doing in the Western Hemisphere?
    , @Avery
    {Right let’s ignore the fact the Arab Christians have existed for centuries in many of these countries including present day Iraq and the head chopping didn’t start until we sent our boys into their regions to “liberate” them. }

    False.

    Not everybody who is Christian in Middle East is Arab.
    E.g. Some Lebanese Christians are Arabs, but most are not.
    Another example: Muslim Arabs who rule Egypt today are invaders; the indigenous people of Egypt are Copts, Christians, who have become a minority in their own land.
    No need to list them all the others.

    Middle East was mostly Christian or non-Muslim for about 500-600 years, before Islam spread and displaced Christianity largely by the sword.
    The Christians in 'Arab' countries are mostly indigenous peoples.
    And they were largely left alone in Iraq, Syria, Egypt, etc, not because of the benevolence is Islam*, but because of nominally Muslim dictators - Saddam, Assad, Anwar Sadat - needed enterprising, hard working people. As soon as the benevolent dictators were gone, Islamists went to work.
    For example in Egypt, as soon as the Islamist Morsi got elected, Copts came under sustained attack and oppression.

    And finally: if "Western Hemisphere white Christian crusaders" are so bad, why are all those (mostly) Muslim refugees** fleeing to Christian Europe, and Christian America, and Christian Canada.....?
    How many have fled to prosperous Gulf Kingdoms, for example?

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    * Islamic Iran, since the time of the Shahs (e.g. Shah Abbas) has shown great tolerance and accommodation (with some exceptions) to other faiths, particularly Christians and Jews. Nevertheless, a Christian has to know his place even in most tolerant Muslim majority countries.

    ** I fully accept that the current wave of (mostly) Muslim refugees and the precarious situation of Christians in the Middle East is the fault of US, UK, France, KSA, Qatar, Turkey, Israel,......starting with the illegal invasion of Iraq by US & UK.
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  113. Anon-og [AKA "Mike Johnson"] says:
    @Jonathan Revusky
    Mike, I've read some of your comments about philosophy and so on. I was kinda wondering. Did you read my last article entitled Faith, Reason, Fanaticism, and the Deeper Meaning of the Donald?

    If not, you might find it interesting. No guarantees... :-)

    Excellent piece and no I hadn’t read it until you mentioned it. I am going to reread it before adding to the comment section for that article.

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  114. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @anon
    We are returning to that madness because of mass immigration - particularly Muslim.

    I don’t like or want Muslim Immigration, but it seems the Muslims are doing what white patriots should be doing. Though violence is unpleasant and ideally to be avoided, one must resort to it in war. And the West is in a state of war, in which Muslims are not the main problem. If anything, Muslims are showing the way of what it takes to fight. They fight stupidly and carry out useless acts of political violence, but their violence is a symptom of what is seriously wrong in the sick and degenerate West.

    There is a war on the identity, history, heritage, culture, and territory of white nations. White minds are being colonized with PC virus. It is a kind of covert psychological war, a ‘long march through the institutions’. And Pop Culture is filled with anti-white filth. It is precisely because white minds have been colonized & infected with the degenerate globo-virus that white people are so gutless and defenseless against the great defamation(of white character) and great invasion(of white lands).

    So, white people should be organizing and uniting and waging war, even violent war, on the enemies of whites.

    But whites have allowed Negroes to run riot and beat up white guys and colonize white wombs. Whites have allowed Jewish globalists to turn upside down the meaning of America, Canada, and Europe. Globalists say even UK and Germany are ‘nations of immigrants’.
    Whites have allowed homos to spread filth all over and desecrate marriage and even churches. Whites have allowed feminists to drive a wedge between the sacred unity of white men and white women. And all of this was NOT done by Muslims but by globalists, feminists, Negroes, and homos.

    The Muslim alternative to globalism is pretty sucky, not least because most of us aren’t Muslim. Still, they will not swallow the filth of the current malaise that afflicts the West. They will not cave to ‘gay marriage’ or worship the Negro or take orders from feminist or bend over to homos. Muslims stick to their own values and visions. If any homo tried to stick a homo flag in a Mosque, Muslims would tear him from limb to limb. And no Muslim father will accept his daughter acting like a whore. Now, I don’t like the Muslim Way for womenfolk, but the fact is Muslims will not succumb to the materialist hedonist filth(even though individual Muslims do indulge in vice on the side).

    Now, one might argue that Western Values are about ‘free speech’, and that is why Muslims are bad. They are intolerant. Really? West gave us Marxism, and that was censorious. And censorship was rife even in European democracies in the past. Only the objects of censorship has changed. Also, Progs and the Left no longer even belief in ‘free speech’. Look how they endorsed the punching of Spencer and didn’t complain much about the violence at Berkeley(over Milo) and Middlebury(over Murray).

    So, it is war. When the other side is willing to use ANY MEANS to bully your side and attack you, counter-violence is justified.

    So, when white patriots take pride by claiming, ‘We don’t act like those violent Muslims’, they really should feel shame. It is because you don’t act stand up and fight and commit acts of counter-violence that you’ve lost over and over to the Progs, Negroes, homos, and massive invasion.

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    The Muslim alternative to globalism is pretty sucky, not least because most of us aren’t Muslim. Still, they will not swallow the filth of the current malaise that afflicts the West. They will not cave to ‘gay marriage’ or worship the Negro or take orders from feminist or bend over to homos. Muslims stick to their own values and visions. If any homo tried to stick a homo flag in a Mosque, Muslims would tear him from limb to limb. And no Muslim father will accept his daughter acting like a whore. Now, I don’t like the Muslim Way for womenfolk, but the fact is Muslims will not succumb to the materialist hedonist filth(even though individual Muslims do indulge in vice on the side)."

    The whole damn comment by anonymous was powerful and honest and refreshing. Whites are too busy drinking the Kool Aid being served to them to realize that your own captors have convinced you of your current self righteousness so it can blind you from honestly assessing yourselves which would be the starting point for true change and empowerment. Islam poses a huge threat to the Jewish world order because it is an intact belief system that refuses to lose ground to every new scientific fad like Christianity in the West has for the last few centuries. Capitalism is the evil that hates the Sacred because the Sacred by its nature refuses a price that can be charged.

    , @dfordoom

    I don’t like or want Muslim Immigration, but it seems the Muslims are doing what white patriots should be doing.
     
    They face the same enemy we face - liberalism. The difference is that Muslims understand that it is a life-or-death struggle. Liberalism is a death cult. Muslims understand that you cannot compromise with liberalism.

    We have not only compromised with liberalism; we have surrendered to it. That's why we don't have a future, while Islam does.
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  115. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Anon-og
    Right let's ignore the fact the Arab Christians have existed for centuries in many of these countries including present day Iraq and the head chopping didn't start until we sent our boys into their regions to "liberate" them. And if there have been Christian missionaries who have had their asses handed to them in some of these countries, I'm pretty sure the track record of slaughter that they and their likes have left all over including the massacring of so many in the Western Hemisphere doesn't exactly give these white crusaders for Christianity the best reputation.

    let’s ignore the fact the Arab Christians have existed for centuries in many of these countries

    good point – in most of those countries Christians were the vast majority before the Arab invasions

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  116. Art says:

    I agree with the complaints about the media – the questions they ask witnesses, always play on the feelings of the interviewee.

    “Tell us how bad you feel – tell us tell us – you must be really feeling devastated – would you cry for us?”

    “Tell us, so our viewers will feel bad and continue to watch us.”

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  117. KenH says:
    @Anon-og
    Right let's ignore the fact the Arab Christians have existed for centuries in many of these countries including present day Iraq and the head chopping didn't start until we sent our boys into their regions to "liberate" them. And if there have been Christian missionaries who have had their asses handed to them in some of these countries, I'm pretty sure the track record of slaughter that they and their likes have left all over including the massacring of so many in the Western Hemisphere doesn't exactly give these white crusaders for Christianity the best reputation.

    Right let’s ignore the fact the Arab Christians have existed for centuries in many of these countries including present day Iraq

    Right, and let’s ignore the fact that Middle Eastern Christians are now on the verge of annihilation despite living in the region longer than Muslims. How does the American invasion give Muslims license to begin mass murdering and torturing them? You’re just a cop out artist and the type that seeks to vindicate violent Muslims no matter the evidence. Since you seem like a hard case I advise you to offer yourself up to ISIS to have your big fat head severed as penance for the invasion of Iraq.

    Just who have Christians persecuted or killed in Indonesia, Mikey?

    I’m pretty sure the track record of slaughter that they and their likes have left all over including the massacring of so many in the Western Hemisphere

    The indigenous peoples were slaughtering, torturing and in some cases, eating each other long before the pale faced Christians arrived in the Western Hemisphere. If you are overcome with guilt then leave the Western hemisphere and go find a nation, people and religion more to your liking.

    Islam has a pretty impressive track record of slaughter, rape and rapine, and they don’t take second to any Christians. Are you saying that Muslims have never done what you are accusing Christians of doing in the Western Hemisphere?

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    Hey KenH,

    How does the American invasion give Muslims license to begin mass murdering and torturing them?
     
    It doesn't. But these same extremists have killed and tortured more Muslims than non-Muslims - why would they treat Christians with kid gloves? Hopefully this stage is coming to an end and things can get back to a level of normalcy.

    Islam has a pretty impressive track record of slaughter, rape and rapine
     
    No, but too many Muslims do for sure, unfortunately - we'll likely never be able to remove the blight that men like Tamerlane brought upon Muslim history.

    and they don’t take second to any Christians
     
    This doesn't sound right. From what I've read, Muslims are lower on the totem pole than both European Christians and East Asians in terms of sanguinary history. If you read about the level of slaughters that happened in Europe or in parts of China historically, there is no doubt those two take top billing:
    http://battles.nodegoat.net/viewer.p/23/385/scenario/1/geo/fullscreen
    http://list25.com/25-deadliest-wars-in-human-history/
    http://necrometrics.com/pre1700a.htm#20worst (this is a great site, the author documents his various sources and gives reasons why he concludes the numbers he does based on balancing out the differing viewpoints)

    Europe has historically (before and after Christianity*) been the most violent region up well into the modern era - they perfected war on each other; how do you think they were able to bring 3/4 of the world to heel within an impressively short time span?

    I believe the Dharmic civilization of India takes the cake for having the least blood on their hands.

    Peace.

    *Note: I honestly don't place this at the feet of Christianity the religion, but any religion that has had that number of adherents and lasted that long is bound to have varying points in its history including the peaceful, the bloody and the very bloody. Also, the Eastern churches tend to have a separate history and calibration that the Latins.
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  118. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    I think one of the problem for the West is the professionalization of warrior-violence.

    The West categorizes people as ‘military’ or ‘civilian’. So, the military men are supposed to monopolize the Art of Violence, whereas civilians are supposed to just lead peaceful lives in accordance to the Rule of Law. This is not a bad arrangement. Indeed, it’s a good one… as long as the Rule of Law favors the preservation and defense of the native population. But when, the Rule of Law is taken over by globalists who subvert and destroy the nation for its core native stock, people need to rise up and fight. But since the Art of Violence is monopolized by the professional fighting class, the civilian population don’t know what to do. Civilians in the West are used to leaving the use of violence to the institutions designed for them.
    In contrast, every Muslim is both a civilian and warrior at all times. The two notions, a peaceful man of God and warrior for God, are fused in the heart of a Muslim. So, when a Muslim feels violence is necessary to defend what is sacred, he doesn’t wait around for some institution to take care of the problem. He takes action on his own since God orders any Muslim to do what is necessary to defend what is holy.
    Among Westerners, there is something of the Muslim in the radical leftists who were affected by Marxism that says every worker is also a soldier and must be ready to pick up a rifle for the revolution. But such notion is weak among European conservatives who’ve long been accustomed to seeing violence as the monopoly of the state or professional class. American Rightists are somewhat different because of the long tradition of gun ownership in the US. They feel they must be well-armed just in case the System turns against them. And in the movement westward, every white family needed guns to protect themselves from American Indians, outlaws, or other whites with conflicting claims on the land.

    Anyway, it is about time EVERY WHITE PERSON no longer saw himself as a mere civilian but a soldier and warrior at all times. In our time, the Rule of Law has been rejiggered to destroy the white race and hand over white lands to the Great Invasion. White elites are cuck-collaborators of the Globalists or GLOB. And since the professional military-and-police class take their orders from the state(that is run by elites controlled by globalists), the people can no longer rely on it for national/racial preservation or for cultural restoration.
    The New Order must require for all white patriots to be civilian-warriors who are ready to do ANYTHING by ANY MEANS NECESSARY to restore what is rightfully theirs in the lands of their forefathers.

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    "Anyway, it is about time EVERY WHITE PERSON no longer saw himself as a mere civilian but a soldier and warrior at all times. In our time, the Rule of Law has been rejiggered to destroy the white race and hand over white lands to the Great Invasion. White elites are cuck-collaborators of the Globalists or GLOB. And since the professional military-and-police class take their orders from the state(that is run by elites controlled by globalists), the people can no longer rely on it for national/racial preservation or for cultural restoration.
    The New Order must require for all white patriots to be civilian-warriors who are ready to do ANYTHING by ANY MEANS NECESSARY to restore what is rightfully theirs in the lands of their forefathers."

    Agreed but looking at it all mechanically complicates it. It's easy to protect the Sacred when you really believe in it and defending it becomes easy this way. Muslims still have faith in God and whites need to reapproach their own faith for the right reasons. But no room for God if people are worshipping at the altar of the false God of Whiteness, you can't serve two Gods.
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  119. @dc.sunsets

    Citizens were the victims and also the first attenders and the first reporters.
     
    Maybe it's time they were first responders, in general? Naw, not in the UK.

    You can keep your civilization, if you dare defend it. But as I understand it, the United Kingdom long ago relegated citizens to that category of subjects who are not deemed capable of contributing to the common defence.

    Much like the gun-grabbers in the USA, British subjects were told to leave defending their lives, their homes and their civilization to The Experts. Since The Experts are not the hired help, we must assume they are among the more equal than others to whom Orwell directs us, no?

    Every state in the USA now has some form of licensing the concealed carry of pistols. Most of those states cannot deny a license to any adult of good standing, and some of those states allow anyone who can legally possess a pistol to carry it concealed. [I wonder if tourists from the UK, East Asia, etc. ever realize they're surrounded by armed people when visiting the USA?]

    Like the UK, the USA has an immivasion problem. Like the UK, the USA's political elite has foolishly invited millions of people who cannot assimilate to a Western, commomweal civilization and from whom will come a constant flow of Jihadi killers.

    I tend to think the USA will sort this out more forcefully when the mood to do so is reached
    . In the meantime, my preference remains to avoid large concentrations of people both because such are inviting targets and because MPAI (most people are idiots) and I really don't like being surrounded by them.

    DC, I just want to give you praise for all your great comments – most of the ones I’ve read have been under Sailer’s posts. You’re one of the few that I’ve agreed with 100% of the time.

    I have a question: Are you a zerohedge reader? Your posts about the upcoming financial unpleasantness make me think that. I personally relate what’s coming financially to what I call “peak stupidity” in my blog of that name. I believe that, though the financial pain may be horrendous for most Americans (and others around the world), there will be no more tolerance for the stupidity we now see daily.

    Agreed on the guns, agreed on the financial situation, and agreed on the thing with crowds – I’d like to be more of a prepper than I am, but hopefully that will change.

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  120. @Kyle a
    He was one hell of a prophet though. A visionary.

    Enoch Powell was a far greater prophet than Winston Churchill

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    Rivers of Blood is pretty good but Churchill as quoted by Robert Fisk in 2006 is the more remarkable:

    This is Winston Churchill writing in a totally forgotten essay. He reflected upon the future and wrote of the impossibility of a partitioned Palestine. And he talked of how, I quote — this is Winston Churchill in 1937 — "The wealthy, crowded, progressive Jewish state" — see, it doesn’t exist yet, but he’s already getting it right — "lies in the plains and on the sea coast of Palestine. Around it, in the hills and the uplands, stretching far and wide into the illimitable deserts, the warlike Arabs of Syria of Transjordania, of Arabia, backed by the armed forces of Iraq, offer the ceaseless menace of war. To maintain itself," — 1937, remember, — "To maintain itself, the Jewish state will have to be armed to the teeth and must bring in every able-bodied man to strengthen its army. But how long will this process be allowed to continue by the great Arab populations in Iraq and Palestine? Can it be expected that the Arabs would stand by impassively and watch the building up, with Jewish world capital and resources, of a Jewish army, equipped with the most deadly weapons of war until it was strong enough not to be afraid of them? And if ever the Jewish army reached that point, who can be sure," Churchill asked, "that, cramped within their narrow limits, they would not plunge out into the new undeveloped lands that lay around them?"
     
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  121. @Ilyana_Rozumova
    Isn’t the protection of their own people first duty of the Government?

    Isn’t the protection of their own people first duty of the Government?

    Well, that’s the usual excuse for it, and most people actually believe it. Even in the unlikely event that a government is formed for that reason, history shows it doesn’t take long for it to devolve into a protection racket.

    “The primitive state is the creation of warlike robbery; and only by warlike robbery can it be preserved.”
    - Franz Oppenheimer, The State [1919] , Chap II,(d) the primitive feudal state of higher grade

    http://oll.libertyfund.org/index.php?option=com_staticxt&staticfile=show.php%3Ftitle=1662&Itemid=99999999

    [Confucius and his companions], passing through rugged and deserted mountains on their way, were surprised to find an old woman weeping beside a grave.

    Confucius sent Tsze-loo to inquire the cause of her grief. “My husband’s father,” she answered, “was killed here by a tiger, and my husband also; and now my son has met the same fate.” When Confucius asked why she persisted in living in so dangerous a place, she replied: “There is no oppressive government here.”

    “My children,” said Confucius to his students, “remember this. Oppressive government is fiercer than a tiger.”

    Durant, 662 THE STORY OF CIVILIZATION CHAP. XXIII, p 662

    http://classics.mit.edu/Confucius/analects.html

    “… it is to overlook the fact that Man lived in Societies for thousands o years before the State had been heard of it is to forget that so far as Europe is concerned the State is of recent origin – it barely goes back to the sixteenth century; and finally, it is to ignore that the most glorious periods in Man’s history are those in which civil liberties and communal life had not yet been destroyed by the State, and in which large numbers of people lived in communes and free federations.
    The State is only one of the forms assumed by society in the course of history. Why then make no distinction between what is permanent and what is accidental?

    Kropotkin, P. “The State: Its Historic Role,” London: Freedom Press, 1946.
    Section I

    http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/Anarchist_Archives/kropotkin/state/state_1.html

    “ Thus, the State is a coercive criminal organization that subsists by a regularized large-scale system of taxation-theft, and which gets away with it by engineering the support of the majority (not, again, of everyone) through securing an alliance with a group of opinion-moulding intellectuals whom it rewards with a share in its power and pelf.”

    -Murray N. Rothbard, The State versus Liberty

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/1970/01/murray-n-rothbard/a-band-of-thieves-writ-large/

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  122. Avery says:
    @Anon-og
    Right let's ignore the fact the Arab Christians have existed for centuries in many of these countries including present day Iraq and the head chopping didn't start until we sent our boys into their regions to "liberate" them. And if there have been Christian missionaries who have had their asses handed to them in some of these countries, I'm pretty sure the track record of slaughter that they and their likes have left all over including the massacring of so many in the Western Hemisphere doesn't exactly give these white crusaders for Christianity the best reputation.

    {Right let’s ignore the fact the Arab Christians have existed for centuries in many of these countries including present day Iraq and the head chopping didn’t start until we sent our boys into their regions to “liberate” them. }

    False.

    Not everybody who is Christian in Middle East is Arab.
    E.g. Some Lebanese Christians are Arabs, but most are not.
    Another example: Muslim Arabs who rule Egypt today are invaders; the indigenous people of Egypt are Copts, Christians, who have become a minority in their own land.
    No need to list them all the others.

    Middle East was mostly Christian or non-Muslim for about 500-600 years, before Islam spread and displaced Christianity largely by the sword.
    The Christians in ‘Arab’ countries are mostly indigenous peoples.
    And they were largely left alone in Iraq, Syria, Egypt, etc, not because of the benevolence is Islam*, but because of nominally Muslim dictators – Saddam, Assad, Anwar Sadat – needed enterprising, hard working people. As soon as the benevolent dictators were gone, Islamists went to work.
    For example in Egypt, as soon as the Islamist Morsi got elected, Copts came under sustained attack and oppression.

    And finally: if “Western Hemisphere white Christian crusaders” are so bad, why are all those (mostly) Muslim refugees** fleeing to Christian Europe, and Christian America, and Christian Canada…..?
    How many have fled to prosperous Gulf Kingdoms, for example?

    ——
    * Islamic Iran, since the time of the Shahs (e.g. Shah Abbas) has shown great tolerance and accommodation (with some exceptions) to other faiths, particularly Christians and Jews. Nevertheless, a Christian has to know his place even in most tolerant Muslim majority countries.

    ** I fully accept that the current wave of (mostly) Muslim refugees and the precarious situation of Christians in the Middle East is the fault of US, UK, France, KSA, Qatar, Turkey, Israel,……starting with the illegal invasion of Iraq by US & UK.

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  123. @daniel le mouche
    thanks for that, jacques,
    also, in the example you give, there's 'acqure'.
    others from wiz's posts for this article: rhan (than), comparativry, thrre (twice), eripted.
    but so glad he felt superior enough to point out my 'le'.
    one hopes he isn't irish (with supposedly clever irish quote), one surmises he's english (among other reasons for his incoherent comment on ira)

    Wiz is one of those Australians who wishes he was British and supports a foreign monarch on the other side of the world as his head of state. A truly tragic case.

    The typos are likely the result of using his phone though that doesn’t explain his convoluted sentence structure.

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    thanks nosey, of course, a repulsive 'ozzy' spewing forth, how'd i not guess?
    , @Wizard of Oz
    Glad you're back safe and sober. But wrong. I voted for the Republic. Did you, or were you o/s and couldn't be bothered with a postal vote?

    BTW beware getting tangled with JR or you'll be off in a strait jacket.

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  124. @Jonathan Revusky

    Why did Oswald kill Tippit?
     
    He didn't. Oswald didn't kill anybody.

    So who killed Tippit snd why?

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    So who killed Tippit snd why?
     
    I don't know. Do you?

    Do you think this is an important question?
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  125. @nsa
    Who could possibly foresee any problems.....blowing up, er bringing democracy to 6 or 7 backward ME countries at the behest of the vile Izzies and their Saud goat herder buddies? Who could possibly imagine the inbred muzzies might thirst for revenge? The previous Crusades lasted from 1095 to 1291. So judging by history, there are only 180 years to go!

    Agreed. This latest attack in London appears to be a genuine case of vengeance rather than a false-flag of any kind. The police didn’t seem to have name, address and pictures ready within minutes as they normally do but seemed to require a little time to actually investigate.

    Kick a hornets nest and one can expect a few painful stings. These events do serve a purpose for some though, those who would impose a police-state will enjoy the luxury of doing so with the full permission of the masses.

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    This latest attack in London appears to be a genuine case of vengeance rather than a false-flag of any kind.
     
    Nosey, I'm pretty certain that you're wrong about this. This is surely yet another synthetic event brought to us by the wonderful folks who brought us all the previous synthetic events.

    The thing is that it's fairly recent, but I anticipate that within a certain period of time, a lot of details will seep out such that this will become obvious -- at least, you know, to the people who are awake, paying attention.

    You see, the thing is that these are all synthetic events. You have the idea that it's a mix, that some of these events are real, organically occurring events, and others are synthetic, but no, if you seriously think about it, you realize that they all must be synthetic basically.

    You see, look at it from the point of view of the people behind these things. When you have a synthetic event, you completely control the narrative. The grieving relatives and witnesses are typically crisis actors and you control all the talking points. If you have a real grieving person who lost a son or a spouse or something, you can't really control what that person is going to say when they're in front a camera.

    They control the narrative on these things and the only way to do that is for the events to always be synthetic.
    , @Paul C.
    322 is the symbolic Skull and Bones Freemasonry numerals. On 3/22 2016 we had the Brussels terrorist event. Now on 3/22 2017 we have the London event. I'd categorize this as a hoax vs. a false flag as likely no one died. But the Police state grows as a result. They're perpetrating a massive war between Christians and Muslims. Just read the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7xrTJ9W4AAGOmn.jpg:large
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  126. “Earth has not anything to show more foul.”
    Puh-leeze! Immigration policies that encourage, even require, the invasion of Western nations by these backward savages are FAR more foul than any single attack, however heinous.

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  127. @Pericles
    Some years ago, I saw a couple of articles about the war in Iraq where the clans dressed their surplus retards and mongoloids in suicide vests and sent them to visit the targets of the day. Is this the jewish equivalent?

    Some years ago, I saw a couple of articles about the war in Iraq where the clans dressed their surplus retards and mongoloids in suicide vests and sent them to visit the targets of the day.

    In contrast “we” vote ours into office and let ‘em run the banks, corporations, and military.

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  128. @dc.sunsets

    “Large concentrations of people” that you try to avoid: all kinds? Theatre, opera, pop concerts [aren't thrre enough reasons not to be thrre?], football and baseball matches, Presidential inaugurations?
     
    Yep. I am among the subset of people who do not find mass-minded, shared-experience kinds of entertainment interesting. Have you ever wondered what is the draw of a rock concert when, more often than not, the performers' music is better when studio-recorded and remixed? Humans have basically three sections to our brains: one we share with reptiles, one we share with herding animals and one that we share only with other humans. This confers a tendency to herd under conditions of uncertainty (markets, fashions, fads, pop culture, etc.) due to the urge to "fit in."

    Herding behavior occurs, like most human attributes, on a spectrum. Each of us is genetically predisposed to a segment of that spectrum. Nothing we can do allows us to operate in a part of the spectrum outside the segment into which we're born. All we do volitionally is change where in the segment our actions occur.

    I have relatively low herding compulsion. I don't like mass-minded experiences. I don't like immersing myself in a hivemind activity. While I sang lead roles in musicals and operas as a young man, I'm not particularly attracted to attending performances (there are exceptions.) And I hate organized sports, seeing football, soccer, baseball, basketball, etc. as the Circuses of our "Bread and Circus" debauchery. The last rock concert I attended was so loud that I had no choice but to wear ear plugs...which destroys the enjoyment of the music portion of the event, no?

    There are two replies I must make to two implications in your comment.
    1. I have a very individualistic worldview. To me, defending my life from bad people is just as important as determining for myself what foods to eat and exercises to do in order to maximize my health and happiness. The notion that I'd blindly rely EXCLUSIVELY on paid agents of the state to "take care of me" is as foolish as the notion that I'd eschew the use of fire extinguishers and rely EXCLUSIVELY on paid agents of the state for fire suppression. Many cultures are more collectivist in orientation; this is but one more example of why people from those cultures do not belong in the USA other than as tourists.
    2. Be very careful about your comments regarding "very high US [homicide] rates." If you strip out blacks and browns, US violent crime rates drop immediately to pre-ISIS invasion Europe. This is true even accounting for the fact that the USA counts crimes when they occur, and many other countries only count crimes as having occurred if SOMEONE IS CAUGHT AND CONVICTED for them. Needless to say, apples compared to oranges.

    US violent crime is overwhelmingly a product of people here whose ancestors were predominantly in Africa or Latin America.

    The link to patterned fractals as an explanation of trends is something I have often considered, but has never seen analyzed until the link you provided to Socionomics.

    You have my gratitude indeed.

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    Anyone placing serious bets based on Bobbie Prechter's Idiot (er Elliott) Wave or his new novel pseudoscience of socionomics will soon be broke and living in a trailer park, eating ramen, and drinking icehouse swill. Both concepts are frauds. For example, in Prechter's world the stockmarket follows the social mood as reflected in women's hemlines: hemlines go up, stocks also go up. If this were true, with the all time high Dow, hemlines would be around the navel. No need for P/E ratios, dividend yields, book values.....those metrics are passe. Just go to the mall and ogle the babes.....and get filthy rich. Likewise, the Idiot (er Elliott) Wave theory.....the dominant trend is indicated by 5 squiggles....in a bull market 3 up interrupted by 2 down. It helps a lot to smoke a bowl before trying to discern the squiggles. And there are 20 some exceptions that need to be factored in. Many years ago Norm Fosback backtested the Elliott Wave theory and proved it to be pure buncombe, and very very dangerous to your financial health.
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  129. @macilrae
    I lived in London in the early 1960s and of course that was a more innocent time - it was before the IRA bombings, one of which, a decade later, I also witnessed. It was also before the invasion of Iraq which fueled the cause which is now supplying so many willing jihadis.

    As I turn this horrible episode over in my mind I contemplate on what is happening today in Mosul (which the BBC tells us is a sad necessity) and what happened before in Aleppo (which they told us was a vile Russian atrocity). I contemplate on Tony Blair and his invasion and whether he is any less evil, less murderous, than Abu Izzadeen who also killed innocents that had done him no harm. Is the difference just a matter of scale and spin?

    I hear the British politicians speaking bravely of how we shall not be perturbed by this event: we shall continue to go about our business as before; preserving "our values". Our values! The same values that mediated Iraq, Afganistan and Libya killing over a million innocent people? The values that oblige us to speak out boldly against Islamic terror but virtually never against Israeli terror?

    Eventually we shall come to scrutinize ourselves and ask "could it possibly be that we are doing something here to make ourselves vulnerable to these crazed individuals?" Right now the climate created by the politicians and their media has managed to render such speculation un-patriotic.

    Do you think “we” are still doing things likely to make ourselves vullnerable to crazed individuals who can be radicalised by Islamists? The Iraq war and maybe the overthrow pf Gadaffi and interference inSuria may have contributed, but don’t we appear to have learned some srnse?

    As to “values” I am sure you know those using the term would say that what they say has nothing to do with fighting wars in the ME.

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    Do you think “we” are still doing things likely to make ourselves vullnerable to crazed individuals who can be radicalised by Islamists?
     
    Yes I do think 'we' are - and we shall go on doing this so long as we poke our noses into other countries where we have no business; attempting regime change. I am a little unsure whether you're trying to point out that having elected Donald Trump we are now forearmed? But one of Donald's main election promises was that he would get America out of foreign 'wars' and tend to business at home - that and his willingness to improve relations with the Russians were among the most sensible ideas he brought to the table - and the ones most likely to eventually stem the recruitment of jihadis.

    I was on a bus one time, in Asia, a couple of weeks after 9/11 and I said to my companion that I thought the major cause of that horror, then so fresh and raw, was a terrible US foreign policy. I think I mentioned Israel and that predictably set off a shrill little fellow behind me who said "you better be careful what you say to Americans right now - I myself lost friends there .." I doubt he did but I recognized his allegiance and also doubted he was much of an American.
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  130. @Wizard of Oz
    So who killed Tippit snd why?

    So who killed Tippit snd why?

    I don’t know. Do you?

    Do you think this is an important question?

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    You seem to think so. And you are not wrong if you accept that pulling apart a superficially coherent and sufficiently complete story requires cross-examination on a whole lot of matters which are supposed to support each other.
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  131. utu says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    the reason to keep somebody like that alive would be humanitarianism really.
     
    Of course, I meant that the reason to keep somebody like that alive would NOT be humanitarianism.

    This dead men don’t tell tales made think that there might be something more sinister with the trigger happy American police shoot to kill rule of engagement. Wounded people who survive talk and can have higher impact in court during civil suits…. “Death solves all problems – no man, no problem” – Joseph Stalin

    I am pretty sure that most troglodytes who work in American police departments do not think about this angle, however, their higher ups are the ones who designed the insane rules of engagement that results in over 1000 dead per year which is 70 times higher rate per capita than in UK.

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  132. Funny how the “leaders” of the Western nations love to hold forth on how Islam is “a religion of peace” and these attacks are contrary to the teaching of the holy Koran.
    Funny, because the real, recognized experts on the Quran – the imams teaching in the madaris – say otherwise.

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    Hey Macumazahn,

    these attacks are contrary to the teaching of the holy Koran
     
    They are, your opinion to the contrary notwithstanding.

    Funny, because the real, recognized experts on the Quran – the imams teaching in the madaris – say otherwise.
     
    They most certainly do not. The top Muslim scholars and institutions around the world like Sarhanpur, Selangor, Qarawayyin, Azhar, etc. have all denounced this - a simple search of 'muslim scholars denounce isis' will bring up plenty of references.

    Top scholars of the Muslim world have been consistent in denouncing these attacks. One of the best quick reads on this was an interview with men of the stature of Mufti Rafi Usmani (ra) - one of the greatest living expert jurists in the Hanafi school:
    Mufti Rafi Usmani heads Darul Uloom Karachi, one of Pakistan's most respected religious schools, or madrassas.
    'Islam does not allow killing of innocent civilians and non-combatants under any circumstances,' he said in an interview with the BBC News website....
    'Islam is absolutely clear on this issue. Two wrongs do not make a right,' Mufti Usmani said.
    'If they feel that the US or the UK are killing innocent civilians in Iraq or Afghanistan, it does not give them the right to kill innocent citizens in London or New York,' he said....
    'If an Iraqi living in London is outraged over Britain's role in what is happening in Iraq, then he should go to Iraq and fight the coalition forces there,' he [Dr. Sikander, head of Jamia Binoria in Karachi] said.
    'Nothing gives him the right to hit back at innocent civilians living in the UK.'"
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4711003.stm

    Hell even the top mufti of Al-Qaeda split with them over the targeting of innocent civilians:
    "'Islam forbids the killing of innocent people, regardless of whether they are Muslims or non Muslims,' he says. 'Killing civilians and innocent people ... is unacceptable and has nothing to do with jihad.'
    A former al-Qaeda ideologue who served on the group's Shura Council, Mauritani left al-Qaeda in August 2001 after disagreeing with bin Laden's decision to target civilians."
    http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/talktojazeera/2015/11/abu-hafs-al-mauritani-al-qaeda-mufti-reject-islamic-state-isil-baghdadi-caliphate-151121133941210.html

    If you have evidence that scholars and institutions are supporting this stuff (rather than it being extremist interpretations of convert ex-cons or those equally underqualified) then bring it.

    Peace.

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  133. utu says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    It's pretty ridiculous to assume that cui bono applies to everything, least of all to people who are looking at martyrdom/death or life in prison upon doing their deed, but okay, let's for a moment entertain that its a legitimate way of looking at things.

    Since the rise of Islamic terrorism, Muslims haven't been expelled from the West, nor had their rights infringed upon to any significant extent.

    To the contrary, Western elites have been ingratiating themsleves with Muslim communities, at the expense of free speech. For instance, just today, Canada passed a motion against Islamophobia.

    I don't know if Islamic terrorism has benefitted Muslim communities in the West, but it sure hasn't hurt them.

    Com on, Karlin! You are young. You disappointed me again. Don’t settle for it what you too often demonstrate here at unz pages. Expand. Open your mind. You still have a shot to transcend this obrazovanshchina mentality and imagination of the merely educated. Do you want to end up like John Derbyshire, Charles Murray or the author of this note? Their meager sinecures are not worthy of your soul. Aspire for more.

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    this obrazovanshchina mentality
     
    Hmm, that's interesting. I looked that up and quickly found it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obrazovanshchina

    Maybe it's not exactly the same thing, but it is pretty strongly related to the HIQI concept that I outlined in my first article. Karlin is sort of an archetypal HIQI.

    Did you see my run-in with him from about a month ago?

    http://www.unz.com/akarlin/great-twitter-purge/#comment-1783674

    Properly understood, the whole situation is hilarious. The little obrazovanshchina shithead there writes an article about how Twitter is banning the various politically incorrect alt-right types, shutting down their accounts. So obviously, Karlin is presenting himself as the defender of free speech, right?

    Then somehow the discussion develops regarding the Nazi holocaust and he says he's going to delete all such threads now. He doesn't see any contradiction in his position as this defender of free speech.

    Moreover, his understanding of the world is so limited that he really doesn't understand that the people who want to kick the alt-right people off of Twitter are, of course, the very same people who want to prohibit any intellectually honest discussion of WW2, and especially the Holocaust! He apparently hasn't connected the dots on that.

    But anyway, I replied, pointing out the obvious, which is that surely he doesn't himself know anything about the subject of Holocaust revisionism.

    http://www.unz.com/akarlin/great-twitter-purge/#comment-1791821

    And then he promptly banned me. I guess he didn't have much choice, because I was well set to shove my foot up his ass in any ensuing debate, because obviously, my conjecture was correct. He doesn't know anything about the topic. He knows nothing about holocaust revisionism, just as he knows nothing about the synthetic terrorism topic. And in both cases, when he discusses these things, he's basically engaging in intellectual fraud.


    Their meager sinecures are not worthy of your soul.
     
    Utu, I suspect you're attributing more "soul" (русская душа?) to this guy than what he possesses. You're right that he's pretty young and obviously quite immature (both emotionally and intellectually) but there is this problem that he is horrendously dishonest. Like, look at when he bans me from commenting on his blog. He claims that he is doing so because of my "incessant trolling". Actually, I was flabbergasted by that because I usually don't even read his articles, much less comment on them! I actually looked back and counted and I had written something like five comments under his blog in the previous twelve months!

    Five comments in a year. That was my incessant trolling...

    Well, he was just lying. But my God, to lie in that kind of absurd way. Struck me as a tad pathological.

    So he might outgrow some of his frightfully childish aspects, but somehow, I doubt he'll outgrow the dishonesty. Well, only time will tell, eh?

    , @Wizard of Oz
    Do I detect a light touch of modesty here? (In "this note")
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  134. Do let’s remember that the Wizard of Oz was nothing more than the puppet of a charlatan.

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    A propos of what? Were you replying to or commenting on something?
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  135. nsa says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    The link to patterned fractals as an explanation of trends is something I have often considered, but has never seen analyzed until the link you provided to Socionomics.

    You have my gratitude indeed.

    Anyone placing serious bets based on Bobbie Prechter’s Idiot (er Elliott) Wave or his new novel pseudoscience of socionomics will soon be broke and living in a trailer park, eating ramen, and drinking icehouse swill. Both concepts are frauds. For example, in Prechter’s world the stockmarket follows the social mood as reflected in women’s hemlines: hemlines go up, stocks also go up. If this were true, with the all time high Dow, hemlines would be around the navel. No need for P/E ratios, dividend yields, book values…..those metrics are passe. Just go to the mall and ogle the babes…..and get filthy rich. Likewise, the Idiot (er Elliott) Wave theory…..the dominant trend is indicated by 5 squiggles….in a bull market 3 up interrupted by 2 down. It helps a lot to smoke a bowl before trying to discern the squiggles. And there are 20 some exceptions that need to be factored in. Many years ago Norm Fosback backtested the Elliott Wave theory and proved it to be pure buncombe, and very very dangerous to your financial health.

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  136. macilrae says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    Do you think "we" are still doing things likely to make ourselves vullnerable to crazed individuals who can be radicalised by Islamists? The Iraq war and maybe the overthrow pf Gadaffi and interference inSuria may have contributed, but don't we appear to have learned some srnse?

    As to "values" I am sure you know those using the term would say that what they say has nothing to do with fighting wars in the ME.

    Do you think “we” are still doing things likely to make ourselves vullnerable to crazed individuals who can be radicalised by Islamists?

    Yes I do think ‘we’ are – and we shall go on doing this so long as we poke our noses into other countries where we have no business; attempting regime change. I am a little unsure whether you’re trying to point out that having elected Donald Trump we are now forearmed? But one of Donald’s main election promises was that he would get America out of foreign ‘wars’ and tend to business at home – that and his willingness to improve relations with the Russians were among the most sensible ideas he brought to the table – and the ones most likely to eventually stem the recruitment of jihadis.

    I was on a bus one time, in Asia, a couple of weeks after 9/11 and I said to my companion that I thought the major cause of that horror, then so fresh and raw, was a terrible US foreign policy. I think I mentioned Israel and that predictably set off a shrill little fellow behind me who said “you better be careful what you say to Americans right now – I myself lost friends there ..” I doubt he did but I recognized his allegiance and also doubted he was much of an American.

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    "But one of Donald’s main election promises was that he would get America out of foreign ‘wars’ and tend to business at home "

    Remember GW Bush in 2000?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpjogQXRGAU

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  137. Anon-og [AKA "Mike Johnson"] says:
    @Anon
    I don't like or want Muslim Immigration, but it seems the Muslims are doing what white patriots should be doing. Though violence is unpleasant and ideally to be avoided, one must resort to it in war. And the West is in a state of war, in which Muslims are not the main problem. If anything, Muslims are showing the way of what it takes to fight. They fight stupidly and carry out useless acts of political violence, but their violence is a symptom of what is seriously wrong in the sick and degenerate West.

    There is a war on the identity, history, heritage, culture, and territory of white nations. White minds are being colonized with PC virus. It is a kind of covert psychological war, a 'long march through the institutions'. And Pop Culture is filled with anti-white filth. It is precisely because white minds have been colonized & infected with the degenerate globo-virus that white people are so gutless and defenseless against the great defamation(of white character) and great invasion(of white lands).

    So, white people should be organizing and uniting and waging war, even violent war, on the enemies of whites.

    But whites have allowed Negroes to run riot and beat up white guys and colonize white wombs. Whites have allowed Jewish globalists to turn upside down the meaning of America, Canada, and Europe. Globalists say even UK and Germany are 'nations of immigrants'.
    Whites have allowed homos to spread filth all over and desecrate marriage and even churches. Whites have allowed feminists to drive a wedge between the sacred unity of white men and white women. And all of this was NOT done by Muslims but by globalists, feminists, Negroes, and homos.

    The Muslim alternative to globalism is pretty sucky, not least because most of us aren't Muslim. Still, they will not swallow the filth of the current malaise that afflicts the West. They will not cave to 'gay marriage' or worship the Negro or take orders from feminist or bend over to homos. Muslims stick to their own values and visions. If any homo tried to stick a homo flag in a Mosque, Muslims would tear him from limb to limb. And no Muslim father will accept his daughter acting like a whore. Now, I don't like the Muslim Way for womenfolk, but the fact is Muslims will not succumb to the materialist hedonist filth(even though individual Muslims do indulge in vice on the side).

    Now, one might argue that Western Values are about 'free speech', and that is why Muslims are bad. They are intolerant. Really? West gave us Marxism, and that was censorious. And censorship was rife even in European democracies in the past. Only the objects of censorship has changed. Also, Progs and the Left no longer even belief in 'free speech'. Look how they endorsed the punching of Spencer and didn't complain much about the violence at Berkeley(over Milo) and Middlebury(over Murray).

    So, it is war. When the other side is willing to use ANY MEANS to bully your side and attack you, counter-violence is justified.

    So, when white patriots take pride by claiming, 'We don't act like those violent Muslims', they really should feel shame. It is because you don't act stand up and fight and commit acts of counter-violence that you've lost over and over to the Progs, Negroes, homos, and massive invasion.

    The Muslim alternative to globalism is pretty sucky, not least because most of us aren’t Muslim. Still, they will not swallow the filth of the current malaise that afflicts the West. They will not cave to ‘gay marriage’ or worship the Negro or take orders from feminist or bend over to homos. Muslims stick to their own values and visions. If any homo tried to stick a homo flag in a Mosque, Muslims would tear him from limb to limb. And no Muslim father will accept his daughter acting like a whore. Now, I don’t like the Muslim Way for womenfolk, but the fact is Muslims will not succumb to the materialist hedonist filth(even though individual Muslims do indulge in vice on the side).”

    The whole damn comment by anonymous was powerful and honest and refreshing. Whites are too busy drinking the Kool Aid being served to them to realize that your own captors have convinced you of your current self righteousness so it can blind you from honestly assessing yourselves which would be the starting point for true change and empowerment. Islam poses a huge threat to the Jewish world order because it is an intact belief system that refuses to lose ground to every new scientific fad like Christianity in the West has for the last few centuries. Capitalism is the evil that hates the Sacred because the Sacred by its nature refuses a price that can be charged.

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    Capitalism is the evil that hates the Sacred because the Sacred by its nature refuses a price that can be charged.
     
    Bam - there you have it!

    "Your souls are precious and can only be equaled by the price of Paradise, therefore sell them only at that price." - Ali ibn Abi Talib (ra)

    Peace.
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  138. denk says:

    Yet another ‘lone wolf terrorist’ with police record committed suicide
    attack and then killed and blamed on ISIS ?
    Gimme a break !

    Since 95% of ‘terrorist attacks’ in the US were FBI/CIA sting ops,
    I’d suppose the situation is similar in UK given the incestuous relation bet MI5/6 and CIA and LOndon’s prominent role in the GWOT. ?

    Make no mistake, London is the master of deception.
    Its a long history of FF/black ops in Ireland, SEA , ME etc.
    Remember the case of SAS goons in ‘eyerab garbs’ caught redhanded in Iraq with loads of explosives ?

    This is just the latest of ‘ISIS perpetrated/inspired terrotists attacks’
    that rocks the capitals of practically every NATO countries.

    You bet this would be used to justify more police state control and whip up anti muslim frenzy in order to perpetuate the fraudulent GWOT !

    CUI BONO ?

    the possibility of FF is certainly very strong.

    Those ‘coincidence theorists’ who dismiss such possibility out of hand are either illogical or disingenuous.

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    You, like those who fail to notice that, since 7th July 2005, terrorism has ranked practically nowhere in the scale of dangers and disasters Brits have to worry about within the UK, are getting very excited about almost nothing.
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  139. Talha says:
    @anon
    We are returning to that madness because of mass immigration - particularly Muslim.

    We are returning to that madness because of mass immigration – particularly Muslim.

    This is putting the cart before the horse – there were no huddled masses of boat people crossing into Europe by the thousands before the destabilization of the Middle East beginning with war on Iraq and igniting to include Syria, Yemen and Libya – and what the hell are we still doing in Afghanistan (Bin Ladin is dead and it’s a frickin’ land-locked country)??!!

    retarded girls are their favorite

    Probably. Criminals try to choose the most vulnerable and those whose testimony would be less credible in court – makes perfect sense. If you haven’t already, read up on the kinds and level of sexual assaults that take place in old-age facilities and the hands of the staff. These vile people go after those with dementia, those that can barely see, can’t talk, etc. because they are less capable of testifying against them.

    Peace.

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    Criminals try to choose the most vulnerable...
     
    Which is one reason the Ziomonster brutes do this type of thing today.

    They probably think of themselves as civilized as they certainly feel themselves entitled.

    Howard Cohen relates the story of one of his students at an engineering college in the Negev struggling to keep up with his studies after Israeli police killed his father, demolished his home:

    ...Everything was under the rubble. I even had a workbook for the class but that too was under the rubble together with my ID card and all our other belongings. They didn’t give us any time to leave. They bulldozed the house with all of our possessions in it. I’m trying to return to my studies.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2017/03/the-dispossessed/

     

    , @Uebersetzer
    Indeed. Jimmy Savile picked his victims carefully, which is why he ended his life honoured rather than in jail. He made the occasional misstep - he went after a 14-year-old girl in the presence of her parents with such enthusiasm on a P&O cruise that they complained to the captain, who confined him to his cabin, and he was barred by P&O from then on, but generally he got away with it.
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  140. Anon-og [AKA "Mike Johnson"] says:
    @Anon
    I think one of the problem for the West is the professionalization of warrior-violence.

    The West categorizes people as 'military' or 'civilian'. So, the military men are supposed to monopolize the Art of Violence, whereas civilians are supposed to just lead peaceful lives in accordance to the Rule of Law. This is not a bad arrangement. Indeed, it's a good one... as long as the Rule of Law favors the preservation and defense of the native population. But when, the Rule of Law is taken over by globalists who subvert and destroy the nation for its core native stock, people need to rise up and fight. But since the Art of Violence is monopolized by the professional fighting class, the civilian population don't know what to do. Civilians in the West are used to leaving the use of violence to the institutions designed for them.
    In contrast, every Muslim is both a civilian and warrior at all times. The two notions, a peaceful man of God and warrior for God, are fused in the heart of a Muslim. So, when a Muslim feels violence is necessary to defend what is sacred, he doesn't wait around for some institution to take care of the problem. He takes action on his own since God orders any Muslim to do what is necessary to defend what is holy.
    Among Westerners, there is something of the Muslim in the radical leftists who were affected by Marxism that says every worker is also a soldier and must be ready to pick up a rifle for the revolution. But such notion is weak among European conservatives who've long been accustomed to seeing violence as the monopoly of the state or professional class. American Rightists are somewhat different because of the long tradition of gun ownership in the US. They feel they must be well-armed just in case the System turns against them. And in the movement westward, every white family needed guns to protect themselves from American Indians, outlaws, or other whites with conflicting claims on the land.

    Anyway, it is about time EVERY WHITE PERSON no longer saw himself as a mere civilian but a soldier and warrior at all times. In our time, the Rule of Law has been rejiggered to destroy the white race and hand over white lands to the Great Invasion. White elites are cuck-collaborators of the Globalists or GLOB. And since the professional military-and-police class take their orders from the state(that is run by elites controlled by globalists), the people can no longer rely on it for national/racial preservation or for cultural restoration.
    The New Order must require for all white patriots to be civilian-warriors who are ready to do ANYTHING by ANY MEANS NECESSARY to restore what is rightfully theirs in the lands of their forefathers.

    “Anyway, it is about time EVERY WHITE PERSON no longer saw himself as a mere civilian but a soldier and warrior at all times. In our time, the Rule of Law has been rejiggered to destroy the white race and hand over white lands to the Great Invasion. White elites are cuck-collaborators of the Globalists or GLOB. And since the professional military-and-police class take their orders from the state(that is run by elites controlled by globalists), the people can no longer rely on it for national/racial preservation or for cultural restoration.
    The New Order must require for all white patriots to be civilian-warriors who are ready to do ANYTHING by ANY MEANS NECESSARY to restore what is rightfully theirs in the lands of their forefathers.”

    Agreed but looking at it all mechanically complicates it. It’s easy to protect the Sacred when you really believe in it and defending it becomes easy this way. Muslims still have faith in God and whites need to reapproach their own faith for the right reasons. But no room for God if people are worshipping at the altar of the false God of Whiteness, you can’t serve two Gods.

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  141. utu says:
    @macilrae

    Do you think “we” are still doing things likely to make ourselves vullnerable to crazed individuals who can be radicalised by Islamists?
     
    Yes I do think 'we' are - and we shall go on doing this so long as we poke our noses into other countries where we have no business; attempting regime change. I am a little unsure whether you're trying to point out that having elected Donald Trump we are now forearmed? But one of Donald's main election promises was that he would get America out of foreign 'wars' and tend to business at home - that and his willingness to improve relations with the Russians were among the most sensible ideas he brought to the table - and the ones most likely to eventually stem the recruitment of jihadis.

    I was on a bus one time, in Asia, a couple of weeks after 9/11 and I said to my companion that I thought the major cause of that horror, then so fresh and raw, was a terrible US foreign policy. I think I mentioned Israel and that predictably set off a shrill little fellow behind me who said "you better be careful what you say to Americans right now - I myself lost friends there .." I doubt he did but I recognized his allegiance and also doubted he was much of an American.

    “But one of Donald’s main election promises was that he would get America out of foreign ‘wars’ and tend to business at home ”

    Remember GW Bush in 2000?

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    This is what Trump actually said
    'No more foreign interventions.........
    unless its to defend our national interest' !

    Since Washington has declared SCS/Korean Peninsula/Yemen/Syria etc etc fall into 'murkkan national interest',
    Trump didnt break his pledge.

    The joke is on murkkans,

    Fool me once.......
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  142. Talha says:
    @Macumazahn
    Funny how the "leaders" of the Western nations love to hold forth on how Islam is "a religion of peace" and these attacks are contrary to the teaching of the holy Koran.
    Funny, because the real, recognized experts on the Quran - the imams teaching in the madaris - say otherwise.

    Hey Macumazahn,

    these attacks are contrary to the teaching of the holy Koran

    They are, your opinion to the contrary notwithstanding.

    Funny, because the real, recognized experts on the Quran – the imams teaching in the madaris – say otherwise.

    They most certainly do not. The top Muslim scholars and institutions around the world like Sarhanpur, Selangor, Qarawayyin, Azhar, etc. have all denounced this – a simple search of ‘muslim scholars denounce isis’ will bring up plenty of references.

    Top scholars of the Muslim world have been consistent in denouncing these attacks. One of the best quick reads on this was an interview with men of the stature of Mufti Rafi Usmani (ra) – one of the greatest living expert jurists in the Hanafi school:
    Mufti Rafi Usmani heads Darul Uloom Karachi, one of Pakistan’s most respected religious schools, or madrassas.
    ‘Islam does not allow killing of innocent civilians and non-combatants under any circumstances,’ he said in an interview with the BBC News website….
    ‘Islam is absolutely clear on this issue. Two wrongs do not make a right,’ Mufti Usmani said.
    ‘If they feel that the US or the UK are killing innocent civilians in Iraq or Afghanistan, it does not give them the right to kill innocent citizens in London or New York,’ he said….
    ‘If an Iraqi living in London is outraged over Britain’s role in what is happening in Iraq, then he should go to Iraq and fight the coalition forces there,’ he [Dr. Sikander, head of Jamia Binoria in Karachi] said.
    ‘Nothing gives him the right to hit back at innocent civilians living in the UK.’”

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4711003.stm

    Hell even the top mufti of Al-Qaeda split with them over the targeting of innocent civilians:
    “‘Islam forbids the killing of innocent people, regardless of whether they are Muslims or non Muslims,’ he says. ‘Killing civilians and innocent people … is unacceptable and has nothing to do with jihad.’
    A former al-Qaeda ideologue who served on the group’s Shura Council, Mauritani left al-Qaeda in August 2001 after disagreeing with bin Laden’s decision to target civilians.”

    http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/talktojazeera/2015/11/abu-hafs-al-mauritani-al-qaeda-mufti-reject-islamic-state-isil-baghdadi-caliphate-151121133941210.html

    If you have evidence that scholars and institutions are supporting this stuff (rather than it being extremist interpretations of convert ex-cons or those equally underqualified) then bring it.

    Peace.

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    crap. A religion is to be judged by its fruits, not its authorized texts, etc. Just as Palestinians in 1948 were fighting one-another when they should have been killing zios, the Muslims are engaged in mutual slaughter and have been at for centuries. Christians got over doing that in just a century or so..

    This may be due more to low IQ, average of about 85, as well as volatile temperaments, but facts speak for themselves. Nor is it just a matter of The Chews dun it. They certainly helped reignite centuries old hatreds, and more modern resentments of the West, but the religion is theocratic and nothing can be done about that.

    Secular and Religion cannot co-exist in government, meaning democratic, electoral government.

    The tribalism of Arabs and Persians is obvious. About the same kind of tribalism as with Black Africans, or the American Indians both a few hundred years ago as well as right now. While Whites, per de Coulanges worked their way toward wider circles of inclusion, and are right now going nuts with that Idea, nobody else had sone so, certainly not muslims, except at sword point.

    Any religious or political text floats on the surface of a human genome, and to a large degree expresses it. Christianity fits the White genome, and any other race that embraces Christianity does so to the risk of the founding race...like Catholicism in South and Central America, and Christianity in Black Africa. Ju-ju Jesus, and in Mexico the various injun ju-jus that go back to cannibal Aztec times.

    Pretty simple really. And for those eager to shout'Christianity came from Jews.'..the answer is Outlier Jews who picked up the Stoicism -Humanism that had been invented 300 years earlier in Greece, etc. These outliers probably were not jewish anyway...not semitic. Plenty of others around , like Romans, Greeks, and scads of those ethnic types we read about.

    All muslims OUT. Joe Webb

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  143. denk says:
    @utu
    "But one of Donald’s main election promises was that he would get America out of foreign ‘wars’ and tend to business at home "

    Remember GW Bush in 2000?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpjogQXRGAU

    This is what Trump actually said
    ‘No more foreign interventions………
    unless its to defend our national interest‘ !

    Since Washington has declared SCS/Korean Peninsula/Yemen/Syria etc etc fall into ‘murkkan national interest‘,
    Trump didnt break his pledge.

    The joke is on murkkans,

    Fool me once…….

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  144. Talha says:
    @KenH

    Right let’s ignore the fact the Arab Christians have existed for centuries in many of these countries including present day Iraq
     
    Right, and let's ignore the fact that Middle Eastern Christians are now on the verge of annihilation despite living in the region longer than Muslims. How does the American invasion give Muslims license to begin mass murdering and torturing them? You're just a cop out artist and the type that seeks to vindicate violent Muslims no matter the evidence. Since you seem like a hard case I advise you to offer yourself up to ISIS to have your big fat head severed as penance for the invasion of Iraq.

    Just who have Christians persecuted or killed in Indonesia, Mikey?

    I’m pretty sure the track record of slaughter that they and their likes have left all over including the massacring of so many in the Western Hemisphere
     
    The indigenous peoples were slaughtering, torturing and in some cases, eating each other long before the pale faced Christians arrived in the Western Hemisphere. If you are overcome with guilt then leave the Western hemisphere and go find a nation, people and religion more to your liking.

    Islam has a pretty impressive track record of slaughter, rape and rapine, and they don't take second to any Christians. Are you saying that Muslims have never done what you are accusing Christians of doing in the Western Hemisphere?

    Hey KenH,

    How does the American invasion give Muslims license to begin mass murdering and torturing them?

    It doesn’t. But these same extremists have killed and tortured more Muslims than non-Muslims – why would they treat Christians with kid gloves? Hopefully this stage is coming to an end and things can get back to a level of normalcy.

    Islam has a pretty impressive track record of slaughter, rape and rapine

    No, but too many Muslims do for sure, unfortunately – we’ll likely never be able to remove the blight that men like Tamerlane brought upon Muslim history.

    and they don’t take second to any Christians

    This doesn’t sound right. From what I’ve read, Muslims are lower on the totem pole than both European Christians and East Asians in terms of sanguinary history. If you read about the level of slaughters that happened in Europe or in parts of China historically, there is no doubt those two take top billing:

    http://battles.nodegoat.net/viewer.p/23/385/scenario/1/geo/fullscreen

    http://list25.com/25-deadliest-wars-in-human-history/

    http://necrometrics.com/pre1700a.htm#20worst (this is a great site, the author documents his various sources and gives reasons why he concludes the numbers he does based on balancing out the differing viewpoints)

    Europe has historically (before and after Christianity*) been the most violent region up well into the modern era – they perfected war on each other; how do you think they were able to bring 3/4 of the world to heel within an impressively short time span?

    I believe the Dharmic civilization of India takes the cake for having the least blood on their hands.

    Peace.

    *Note: I honestly don’t place this at the feet of Christianity the religion, but any religion that has had that number of adherents and lasted that long is bound to have varying points in its history including the peaceful, the bloody and the very bloody. Also, the Eastern churches tend to have a separate history and calibration that the Latins.

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    It doesn’t. But these same extremists have killed and tortured more Muslims than non-Muslims – why would they treat Christians with kid gloves?
     
    You are conflating the two. Muslims are killing fellow Muslims who do not subscribe to their Salafist version of the faith. So ISIS is not trying to eradicate Islam, only those Muslims who won't swear loyalty to them. OTOH, what ISIS is doing to Christians and Yazidis constitutes naked aggression and murder against non-Islamic religious communities solely on the basis of religion.

    It's not as if things were hunky dory before ISIS. Christians came under attack almost from the moment of the 2003 invasion and attacks continued to intensify since Saddam's security services were no longer around to strike fear in the Islamists and restrain them.


    This doesn’t sound right. From what I’ve read, Muslims are lower on the totem pole than both European Christians and East Asians in terms of sanguinary history
     
    That all depends on the sources one chooses to consult. No doubt Europe's history has had periods of massive bloodshed up until 1945. But with the exception of the Thirty Years War most of the blood spilled was the result of nationalist rivalries and not religious zeal and intolerance and world wars I and II account for the lion's share.

    The death toll attributed to Stalin and Mao should have an asterisk since communism was a non-native, alien (Jewish) creed imported into those regions which set off a chain of events that claimed the lives of tens of millions.

    According to some sources Islam has claimed approximately 270 million lives since it burst onto the world scene in the 7th century:
    https://www.politicalislam.com/tears-of-jihad/
    If we assume this number is wildly inflated and lower it by 50% then 135 million deaths still places Islam near the top of the sanguinary history list.

    Before we digress too much, the central point is that Muslims are currently waging a one sided war against non-Muslims whether in Indonesia, Pakistan, Egypt, the Middle East and now Europe. Christians aren't destroying and desecrating mosques, killing and beheading imams, issuing death threats, beheading Muslims, pressing some of their women into prostitution and forcibly converting others.

    Sufists have also come under attack by Islamic fundamentalists in recent years and I guarantee you would probably be safer living among Christians, Buddhists and Hindus than some of your fellow co-religionists.

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  145. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Jonathan Revusky

    I tell my friends if countries were animals, Muslim countries would be mad dogs.
     
    Well, that's ridiculous. Obviously, the mad dog would be the U.S.A. There is no country on the current world scene remotely comparable.

    Obviously, the mad dog would be the U.S.A. There is no country on the current world scene remotely comparable.

    You might be wrong about most things but you’re right about that.

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  146. Talha says:
    @Anon-og
    The Muslim alternative to globalism is pretty sucky, not least because most of us aren’t Muslim. Still, they will not swallow the filth of the current malaise that afflicts the West. They will not cave to ‘gay marriage’ or worship the Negro or take orders from feminist or bend over to homos. Muslims stick to their own values and visions. If any homo tried to stick a homo flag in a Mosque, Muslims would tear him from limb to limb. And no Muslim father will accept his daughter acting like a whore. Now, I don’t like the Muslim Way for womenfolk, but the fact is Muslims will not succumb to the materialist hedonist filth(even though individual Muslims do indulge in vice on the side)."

    The whole damn comment by anonymous was powerful and honest and refreshing. Whites are too busy drinking the Kool Aid being served to them to realize that your own captors have convinced you of your current self righteousness so it can blind you from honestly assessing yourselves which would be the starting point for true change and empowerment. Islam poses a huge threat to the Jewish world order because it is an intact belief system that refuses to lose ground to every new scientific fad like Christianity in the West has for the last few centuries. Capitalism is the evil that hates the Sacred because the Sacred by its nature refuses a price that can be charged.

    Capitalism is the evil that hates the Sacred because the Sacred by its nature refuses a price that can be charged.

    Bam – there you have it!

    “Your souls are precious and can only be equaled by the price of Paradise, therefore sell them only at that price.” – Ali ibn Abi Talib (ra)

    Peace.

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  147. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Talha
    This is indeed a horrific and deplorable occurrence. Hopefully the people of London won't give into fear and give up any more of their freedoms. Weird thing about this guy though - he was under the scope of the authorities. Mr. Sailer had a nice article about a potentially similar situation with the Boston Marathon Bomber - doubt they'll ever let the entire picture come out.

    Have to admit though, this method is low-grade and very, very difficult to catch if some random guy wants to pull it off. A car and a knife and solo - wonder if Britain and other countries are going to start thinking about having a complete blackout of certain IP addresses and certain websites - kind of like some other countries do?

    No stronger retrograde force exists in the world.
     
    Ah - I see, well, the old codger never lived to see gay pride parades and government-aided sex-change operations now did he? Being retrograde in this world of post-modern progress has its benefits.

    raising fearless warriors at every step
     
    Is that supposed to be an insult?

    Peace.

    this method is low-grade and very, very difficult to catch if some random guy wants to pull it off. A car and a knife and solo

    The West needs technology worth millions of dollars to spread terror, like drones. But a car and a knife can spread terror very effectively if used with sufficient determination and courage. Yes, courage. People can do evil things and still be brave.

    I get the feeling this is not going to end well for the West. Of course the West could always stop bombing other people’s countries but that’s never going to happen is it?

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    the West could always stop bombing other people’s countries
     
    Me: Exactly. Skip back:

    When Winston Churchill became First Lord of the Admiralty (heading the British Royal Navy) in 1911, coal was still the primary source of power for naval vessels.
     
    Me: But they went on to convert their warships to oil, and all else, as they say, is history [including Churchill's Gallipoli imbroglio, how many ANZACs slaughtered?] Long story short; the Brits assisted the 'sailing' of a khazar-mafia 'Airstrip One' into the middle of the oil-sands of the planet; latest after WW2 the US got 'on board' and the world has thus been set on course for going over the 'clash of civilizations' cliff. The smart-arses pulling the strings think they are genii; they think that they can reverse civilization and 'the Enlightenment' strictly for their own personal benefit, not realizing that when they actually succeed, they too will unavoidably go down the gurgler with all the rest of us. rgds
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  148. dfordoom says: • Website
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    Earth has not anything to show more foul
     
    Given the history of Brit imperialism, that seems a bit rich, does it not?

    As for Churchill, he was an authority on nearly nothing but supercilious, narcissistic, unctuous, thrill-seeking, vacuous dandyism.

    He did write something worth reading though.


    There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution, by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews, it is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews. Moreover, the principal inspiration and driving power comes from the Jewish leaders.

    The same phenomenon has been presented in Germany (especially in Bavaria), so far as this madness has been allowed to prey upon the temporary prostration of the German people. Although in all these countries there are many non-Jews every whit as bad as the worst of the Jewish revolutionaries, the part played by the latter in proportion to their numbers in the population is astonishing.

    -“Rt. Hon.” Winston S. Churchill, Zionism versus Bolshevism, A Struggle for the Soul of the Jewish People, published in Illustrated Sunday Herald (London), February 8, 1920, pg. 5

     

    Being the opportunist flip flopper that he was, he nevertheless supported Uncle Joey and that alone speaks volumes as they both went on to prey on a virtually prostrate German people.

    As for Churchill, he was an authority on nearly nothing but supercilious, narcissistic, unctuous, thrill-seeking, vacuous dandyism.

    He was also an expert on the use of terror against civilian populations. Remember the fire-bombing of Dresden?

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    He was also an expert on the use of terror against civilian populations. Remember the fire-bombing of Dresden?
     
    Yes.

    Here's a short article with a partial list of its crimes against humanity, most of which were for the greater glory of Winston, aka Porky.


    As Colonial Secretary in the 1920s, he unleashed the notorious Black and Tan thugs on Ireland's Catholic civilians, and when the Kurds rebelled against British rule, he said: "I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes...[It] would spread a lively terror."

    He jeered at the Palestinians as "barbaric hoards who ate little but camel dung," ...".


    - Johann Hari , Not his finest hour: The dark side of Winston Churchill

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/not-his-finest-hour-the-dark-side-of-winston-churchill-2118317.html


     

    , @Jonathan Revusky

    He was also an expert on the use of terror against civilian populations. Remember the fire-bombing of Dresden?
     
    Winnie was acting as the great defender of freedom. In this case, he was freeing those people of the burdens of their earthly existence.
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  149. joe webb says:

    The Ancient City, by Fustel de Coulanges. p. 375. Doubleday Anchor paperback

    “So long as the republic lasted, it never entered the mind of anyone that the Romans and the other peoples could form a single nation. Rome might, indeed , receive a few of the conquered, allow them to live within her walls, and transform them, in the course of time, into
    Romans, but she could not assimilate a whole foreign people to her people, an entire territory to her territory. Still this was not peculiar to the policy of Rome, but a principle that held through all antiquity;, it was a principle from which Rome would sooner have departed than any other city, but from which she could not entirely free herself. [ meaning that Rome had discarded much of the ancient city religion, etc. ) Whenever, therefor, a people was conquered, it did not enter the Roman state; it entered only the Roman dominion. It was not united to Rome, as provinces are today united to a capital; between. other nations and itself Rome knew only
    two kinds of connection: subjection or alliance.”

    And alliances did not include political rights, citizenship, etc.

    When the Republic, such as it was, fell, the Empire went on to embrace Humanity of sorts, and therein began the final coming apart.

    Fustel de Coulanges seems to follow a line of thought that is essentially liberal, if it is possible to combine liberalism with aristocracy, not democracy. He admired the formalities of Roman political equality in citizenship as it was spread around, but the rich still ruled, with relative acceptance by the citizens.

    The Roman fall is debated of course…and immigration of lower life forms probably had a lot to do with it.

    Any suggestions as to more up to date scholarship on this? HIs book was published about 1865 or so.

    Joe Webb

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    The Roman fall is debated of course…and immigration of lower life forms probably had a lot to do with it.
     
    It was multifactorial but I've never come across any claim such as that.

    One of the big, but hardly known factors seems to have been the rise of the (big money owned) latifundia which drove the peasants off the land and into Rome resulting in slums and the need to import grain from Egypt. "We" have a somewhat similar situation here in the US today and if it weren't for "cheap" oil, the empire would probably look a lot different than it currently does.

    Another factor was the continuous warring and the attempt to hold the empire together with military force. That rings a bell too, I think. A reading of Polybius is as illuminating on that point as it is tedious.

    Then there's Juvenal.

    “For who can be so tolerant of this monstrous city, who so iron of soul, as to contain himself …?”

    Juvenal, SATIRE I, ~ 100AD
    DIFFICILE EST SATURAM NON SCRIBERE



    If you want to be anybody nowadays, you must dare some crime that merits narrow Gyara[23] or a gaol; honesty is praised and left to shiver. It is to their crimes that men owe their pleasure-grounds and palaces, their fine tables and old silver goblets with goats standing out in relief. For when was Vice more rampant? When did the maw of Avarice gape wider? When was gambling so reckless? Men come not now with purses to the hazard of the gaming table, but with a treasure-chest beside them.

    Juvenal, SATIRE I, ~ 100AD

    Difficile Est Saturam Non Scribere

     

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  150. joe webb says:
    @Talha
    Hey Macumazahn,

    these attacks are contrary to the teaching of the holy Koran
     
    They are, your opinion to the contrary notwithstanding.

    Funny, because the real, recognized experts on the Quran – the imams teaching in the madaris – say otherwise.
     
    They most certainly do not. The top Muslim scholars and institutions around the world like Sarhanpur, Selangor, Qarawayyin, Azhar, etc. have all denounced this - a simple search of 'muslim scholars denounce isis' will bring up plenty of references.

    Top scholars of the Muslim world have been consistent in denouncing these attacks. One of the best quick reads on this was an interview with men of the stature of Mufti Rafi Usmani (ra) - one of the greatest living expert jurists in the Hanafi school:
    Mufti Rafi Usmani heads Darul Uloom Karachi, one of Pakistan's most respected religious schools, or madrassas.
    'Islam does not allow killing of innocent civilians and non-combatants under any circumstances,' he said in an interview with the BBC News website....
    'Islam is absolutely clear on this issue. Two wrongs do not make a right,' Mufti Usmani said.
    'If they feel that the US or the UK are killing innocent civilians in Iraq or Afghanistan, it does not give them the right to kill innocent citizens in London or New York,' he said....
    'If an Iraqi living in London is outraged over Britain's role in what is happening in Iraq, then he should go to Iraq and fight the coalition forces there,' he [Dr. Sikander, head of Jamia Binoria in Karachi] said.
    'Nothing gives him the right to hit back at innocent civilians living in the UK.'"
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4711003.stm

    Hell even the top mufti of Al-Qaeda split with them over the targeting of innocent civilians:
    "'Islam forbids the killing of innocent people, regardless of whether they are Muslims or non Muslims,' he says. 'Killing civilians and innocent people ... is unacceptable and has nothing to do with jihad.'
    A former al-Qaeda ideologue who served on the group's Shura Council, Mauritani left al-Qaeda in August 2001 after disagreeing with bin Laden's decision to target civilians."
    http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/talktojazeera/2015/11/abu-hafs-al-mauritani-al-qaeda-mufti-reject-islamic-state-isil-baghdadi-caliphate-151121133941210.html

    If you have evidence that scholars and institutions are supporting this stuff (rather than it being extremist interpretations of convert ex-cons or those equally underqualified) then bring it.

    Peace.

    crap. A religion is to be judged by its fruits, not its authorized texts, etc. Just as Palestinians in 1948 were fighting one-another when they should have been killing zios, the Muslims are engaged in mutual slaughter and have been at for centuries. Christians got over doing that in just a century or so..

    This may be due more to low IQ, average of about 85, as well as volatile temperaments, but facts speak for themselves. Nor is it just a matter of The Chews dun it. They certainly helped reignite centuries old hatreds, and more modern resentments of the West, but the religion is theocratic and nothing can be done about that.

    Secular and Religion cannot co-exist in government, meaning democratic, electoral government.

    The tribalism of Arabs and Persians is obvious. About the same kind of tribalism as with Black Africans, or the American Indians both a few hundred years ago as well as right now. While Whites, per de Coulanges worked their way toward wider circles of inclusion, and are right now going nuts with that Idea, nobody else had sone so, certainly not muslims, except at sword point.

    Any religious or political text floats on the surface of a human genome, and to a large degree expresses it. Christianity fits the White genome, and any other race that embraces Christianity does so to the risk of the founding race…like Catholicism in South and Central America, and Christianity in Black Africa. Ju-ju Jesus, and in Mexico the various injun ju-jus that go back to cannibal Aztec times.

    Pretty simple really. And for those eager to shout’Christianity came from Jews.’..the answer is Outlier Jews who picked up the Stoicism -Humanism that had been invented 300 years earlier in Greece, etc. These outliers probably were not jewish anyway…not semitic. Plenty of others around , like Romans, Greeks, and scads of those ethnic types we read about.

    All muslims OUT. Joe Webb

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    Hey JW,

    crap
     
    You don't say...

    A religion is to be judged by its fruits, not its authorized texts
     
    Fine, by your materialist standards; Islam is solid in the realm of survival of the fittest. In evolutionary terms; fast jets, fancy sky scrapers, and orchestras mean zero unless they (in turn) lead to species being fit in an evolutionary sense - genetic propagation. How's materialism doing for you on that front? Oh - it leads to population collapse - wow - you mean it's a failure by it's own standards?

    Judging Islam from a material lens is foolish to me; it doesn't take into account a rather amazing unity in practice and creed across the Muslim world - something that was accomplished without ecumenical synods and councils. Also, as it is currently projected, Islam is the only religion to make any significant gains through conversions in the next decades - we'll see if that pans out. Actually the category set to make most gains is materialism, so rejoice JW - thine brothers are legion (until they don't have children).
    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/04/02/7-key-changes-in-the-global-religious-landscape/

    the Muslims are engaged in mutual slaughter and have been at for centuries
     
    You have made a claim, prove it. Sectarian strife has been nominal in Muslim history (it has mostly been secular rulers fighting over land and treasure); we have nothing on the scale of the European wars of religion - not even close. Prove me wrong - show me evidence of mass slaughters of Shiahs or Sunnis in our past. We've had our extremist like the Al-Mohads and others for sure, but the only thing that comes remotely close is the Safavids forcing Persia to become Shiah from their traditional Sunni roots - and again, that was nowhere on the scale of what happened in Europe.

    Now, if one says, well - I meant anytime Muslim nations fought each other, well then the following statement is nonsensical, because the last great European pulp-your-brother fest was just a few decades ago in the heart of Christian countries:

    Christians got over doing that in just a century or so
     
    And currently, two Christian nations hold a nuclear shotgun to the face of collective humanity -nor is it just a matter of The Chews dun it - you should hear how some Christians in America talk about Russia (Gog and Magog and all that).

    Secular and Religion cannot co-exist in government, meaning democratic, electoral government.
     
    No, not in the absolute sense. But democratic forms can be observed and many Muslim countries have done so successfully, some have not. But when is democracy a goal in and of itself? If a people want to be ruled by a stable and relatively benign monarchy, who cares - it may work far better than a democracy.

    certainly not muslims, except at sword point
     
    Nonsense - Muslim lands (specifically the Ottomans) took in religious refugees during the religious wars of Europe and Jews when they were kicked out of Europe. Have you even read what the non-Chalcedonian Christians thought about the earliest Muslim invasions - they thought it was a gift from God that the Byzantines were being kicked out.

    Any religious or political text floats on the surface of a human genome
     
    Says the materialist. You don't recognize that human beings have souls; your conclusions are perfunctory. From a metaphysical perspective, utter incoherence.

    Christianity fits the White genome
     
    Apparently not, who do you think is set to lose the most adherents to materialism in the coming decades - see the above reference. And Christianity was plenty fit for others (Ethiopian Orthodox is one of the earliest Eastern churches).

    Pretty simple really.
     
    Sure once you start insisting we are all just chemical machines walking around and their is no transcendent purpose. Well, actually it gets complicated...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bK2a-1K0Sdg

    These outliers probably were not jewish anyway…not semitic.
     
    Of course not, that would get in the way of your white-man-is-god philosophy. You seem pretty intelligent, I'm surprised you sometimes speculate like this in a way that would have given the black-man-is-god-we-wuz-kangz crowd at UCLA a run for their money. White people have been made the vessels for the deliverance of plenty of positive contributions to humanity, that's for sure. Don't let it get to your head - from a metaphysical perspective; you're still slaves.

    All muslims OUT
     
    Yeah, yeah - show me the federal notice in the mail...

    Peace.
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  151. @jacques sheete
    Hey Dan,

    Check this out...

    How did your “mouche” acqure the maculinity (sic) of
     

    Genius! Your sense of proportion, or in this case your imagination and powers of observation (about the typos that so easily result from using one finger on a phone) match your usual standard.

    Afterthought: were you intentionally criticising Monsieur Mouche for failing to be as clevrr and diligent as you in detecting a typo. Have you got some sensible children to keep an eye on you – to say “Oh Dad” when you are threatening to go right put of touch and embarrass them?

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  152. @denk
    Yet another 'lone wolf terrorist' with police record committed suicide
    attack and then killed and blamed on ISIS ?
    Gimme a break !

    Since 95% of 'terrorist attacks' in the US were FBI/CIA sting ops,
    I'd suppose the situation is similar in UK given the incestuous relation bet MI5/6 and CIA and LOndon's prominent role in the GWOT. ?

    Make no mistake, London is the master of deception.
    Its a long history of FF/black ops in Ireland, SEA , ME etc.
    Remember the case of SAS goons in 'eyerab garbs' caught redhanded in Iraq with loads of explosives ?

    This is just the latest of 'ISIS perpetrated/inspired terrotists attacks'
    that rocks the capitals of practically every NATO countries.

    You bet this would be used to justify more police state control and whip up anti muslim frenzy in order to perpetuate the fraudulent GWOT !

    CUI BONO ?


    the possibility of FF is certainly very strong.

    Those 'coincidence theorists' who dismiss such possibility out of hand are either illogical or disingenuous.

    You, like those who fail to notice that, since 7th July 2005, terrorism has ranked practically nowhere in the scale of dangers and disasters Brits have to worry about within the UK, are getting very excited about almost nothing.

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  153. @Jonathan Revusky

    So who killed Tippit snd why?
     
    I don't know. Do you?

    Do you think this is an important question?

    You seem to think so. And you are not wrong if you accept that pulling apart a superficially coherent and sufficiently complete story requires cross-examination on a whole lot of matters which are supposed to support each other.

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    You seem to think so.
     
    You mean, I think that it is important who killed Officer Tippit?

    That's strange. I have no recollection of ever saying anything about this. How did you draw this conclusion?

    What is important to realize is that Lee Harvey Oswald did not kill Kennedy, nor did he kill anybody else, including Tippit. As for who killed Tippit, at this point in time, probably it would be hard to know. The best guess is that the cabal that killed JFK also killed Tippit (and various other people later) because they knew too much and they were covering their tracks. But all of that is speculation. Again, it is actually NOT that important, it's nth order stuff. What is important is to realize that Oswald did not kill JFK or Tippit or anybody else. He was just a patsy.

    Okay, now that I've clarified my position on this, could you clarify something for me, Wizard? Whenever certain key events come up, like JFK or 9/11 in particular, you're always in the thread blowing smoke. By now, there is a huge literature on these things. Have you read any of it?

    If so, which authors on JFK or 9/11 have you read? For example, have you read the Douglass book on JFK? Or have you read David Ray Griffin's book on 9/11? What have you read? I've long assumed that you haven't read any of it because, whenever anything gets very factual, you just start handwaving, like you don't really know anything.

    Again, have you read any of the authors on these topics? If so, which ones?

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  154. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Ilyana_Rozumova
    Isn’t the protection of their own people first duty of the Government?

    Isn’t the protection of their own people first duty of the Government?

    Unfortunately the political class defines “their own people” as referring to other members of the political class.

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  155. @iffen
    Dead men do tell tales, but only the tales that the tale tellers want told.

    Edit please. I don’t think you mean what you have said.

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  156. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Macumazahn
    Do let's remember that the Wizard of Oz was nothing more than the puppet of a charlatan.

    A propos of what? Were you replying to or commenting on something?

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  157. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Anon
    I don't like or want Muslim Immigration, but it seems the Muslims are doing what white patriots should be doing. Though violence is unpleasant and ideally to be avoided, one must resort to it in war. And the West is in a state of war, in which Muslims are not the main problem. If anything, Muslims are showing the way of what it takes to fight. They fight stupidly and carry out useless acts of political violence, but their violence is a symptom of what is seriously wrong in the sick and degenerate West.

    There is a war on the identity, history, heritage, culture, and territory of white nations. White minds are being colonized with PC virus. It is a kind of covert psychological war, a 'long march through the institutions'. And Pop Culture is filled with anti-white filth. It is precisely because white minds have been colonized & infected with the degenerate globo-virus that white people are so gutless and defenseless against the great defamation(of white character) and great invasion(of white lands).

    So, white people should be organizing and uniting and waging war, even violent war, on the enemies of whites.

    But whites have allowed Negroes to run riot and beat up white guys and colonize white wombs. Whites have allowed Jewish globalists to turn upside down the meaning of America, Canada, and Europe. Globalists say even UK and Germany are 'nations of immigrants'.
    Whites have allowed homos to spread filth all over and desecrate marriage and even churches. Whites have allowed feminists to drive a wedge between the sacred unity of white men and white women. And all of this was NOT done by Muslims but by globalists, feminists, Negroes, and homos.

    The Muslim alternative to globalism is pretty sucky, not least because most of us aren't Muslim. Still, they will not swallow the filth of the current malaise that afflicts the West. They will not cave to 'gay marriage' or worship the Negro or take orders from feminist or bend over to homos. Muslims stick to their own values and visions. If any homo tried to stick a homo flag in a Mosque, Muslims would tear him from limb to limb. And no Muslim father will accept his daughter acting like a whore. Now, I don't like the Muslim Way for womenfolk, but the fact is Muslims will not succumb to the materialist hedonist filth(even though individual Muslims do indulge in vice on the side).

    Now, one might argue that Western Values are about 'free speech', and that is why Muslims are bad. They are intolerant. Really? West gave us Marxism, and that was censorious. And censorship was rife even in European democracies in the past. Only the objects of censorship has changed. Also, Progs and the Left no longer even belief in 'free speech'. Look how they endorsed the punching of Spencer and didn't complain much about the violence at Berkeley(over Milo) and Middlebury(over Murray).

    So, it is war. When the other side is willing to use ANY MEANS to bully your side and attack you, counter-violence is justified.

    So, when white patriots take pride by claiming, 'We don't act like those violent Muslims', they really should feel shame. It is because you don't act stand up and fight and commit acts of counter-violence that you've lost over and over to the Progs, Negroes, homos, and massive invasion.

    I don’t like or want Muslim Immigration, but it seems the Muslims are doing what white patriots should be doing.

    They face the same enemy we face – liberalism. The difference is that Muslims understand that it is a life-or-death struggle. Liberalism is a death cult. Muslims understand that you cannot compromise with liberalism.

    We have not only compromised with liberalism; we have surrendered to it. That’s why we don’t have a future, while Islam does.

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  158. @NoseytheDuke
    Wiz is one of those Australians who wishes he was British and supports a foreign monarch on the other side of the world as his head of state. A truly tragic case.

    The typos are likely the result of using his phone though that doesn't explain his convoluted sentence structure.

    thanks nosey, of course, a repulsive ‘ozzy’ spewing forth, how’d i not guess?

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    Not very perceptive. Nosey, back from the Sahara, is asserting his own primacy in claims to Australianness, so your reply is insulting to him. But that you don't care about wasting people's time with sloppy thoughtless blather has become instantly apparent. Why not adopt a literate moniker and start again? That, you should observe, is a charitable suggestion.
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  159. Talha says:
    @joe webb
    crap. A religion is to be judged by its fruits, not its authorized texts, etc. Just as Palestinians in 1948 were fighting one-another when they should have been killing zios, the Muslims are engaged in mutual slaughter and have been at for centuries. Christians got over doing that in just a century or so..

    This may be due more to low IQ, average of about 85, as well as volatile temperaments, but facts speak for themselves. Nor is it just a matter of The Chews dun it. They certainly helped reignite centuries old hatreds, and more modern resentments of the West, but the religion is theocratic and nothing can be done about that.

    Secular and Religion cannot co-exist in government, meaning democratic, electoral government.

    The tribalism of Arabs and Persians is obvious. About the same kind of tribalism as with Black Africans, or the American Indians both a few hundred years ago as well as right now. While Whites, per de Coulanges worked their way toward wider circles of inclusion, and are right now going nuts with that Idea, nobody else had sone so, certainly not muslims, except at sword point.

    Any religious or political text floats on the surface of a human genome, and to a large degree expresses it. Christianity fits the White genome, and any other race that embraces Christianity does so to the risk of the founding race...like Catholicism in South and Central America, and Christianity in Black Africa. Ju-ju Jesus, and in Mexico the various injun ju-jus that go back to cannibal Aztec times.

    Pretty simple really. And for those eager to shout'Christianity came from Jews.'..the answer is Outlier Jews who picked up the Stoicism -Humanism that had been invented 300 years earlier in Greece, etc. These outliers probably were not jewish anyway...not semitic. Plenty of others around , like Romans, Greeks, and scads of those ethnic types we read about.

    All muslims OUT. Joe Webb

    Hey JW,

    crap

    You don’t say…

    A religion is to be judged by its fruits, not its authorized texts

    Fine, by your materialist standards; Islam is solid in the realm of survival of the fittest. In evolutionary terms; fast jets, fancy sky scrapers, and orchestras mean zero unless they (in turn) lead to species being fit in an evolutionary sense – genetic propagation. How’s materialism doing for you on that front? Oh – it leads to population collapse – wow – you mean it’s a failure by it’s own standards?

    Judging Islam from a material lens is foolish to me; it doesn’t take into account a rather amazing unity in practice and creed across the Muslim world – something that was accomplished without ecumenical synods and councils. Also, as it is currently projected, Islam is the only religion to make any significant gains through conversions in the next decades – we’ll see if that pans out. Actually the category set to make most gains is materialism, so rejoice JW – thine brothers are legion (until they don’t have children).

    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/04/02/7-key-changes-in-the-global-religious-landscape/

    the Muslims are engaged in mutual slaughter and have been at for centuries

    You have made a claim, prove it. Sectarian strife has been nominal in Muslim history (it has mostly been secular rulers fighting over land and treasure); we have nothing on the scale of the European wars of religion – not even close. Prove me wrong – show me evidence of mass slaughters of Shiahs or Sunnis in our past. We’ve had our extremist like the Al-Mohads and others for sure, but the only thing that comes remotely close is the Safavids forcing Persia to become Shiah from their traditional Sunni roots – and again, that was nowhere on the scale of what happened in Europe.

    Now, if one says, well – I meant anytime Muslim nations fought each other, well then the following statement is nonsensical, because the last great European pulp-your-brother fest was just a few decades ago in the heart of Christian countries:

    Christians got over doing that in just a century or so

    And currently, two Christian nations hold a nuclear shotgun to the face of collective humanity -nor is it just a matter of The Chews dun it – you should hear how some Christians in America talk about Russia (Gog and Magog and all that).

    Secular and Religion cannot co-exist in government, meaning democratic, electoral government.

    No, not in the absolute sense. But democratic forms can be observed and many Muslim countries have done so successfully, some have not. But when is democracy a goal in and of itself? If a people want to be ruled by a stable and relatively benign monarchy, who cares – it may work far better than a democracy.

    certainly not muslims, except at sword point

    Nonsense – Muslim lands (specifically the Ottomans) took in religious refugees during the religious wars of Europe and Jews when they were kicked out of Europe. Have you even read what the non-Chalcedonian Christians thought about the earliest Muslim invasions – they thought it was a gift from God that the Byzantines were being kicked out.

    Any religious or political text floats on the surface of a human genome

    Says the materialist. You don’t recognize that human beings have souls; your conclusions are perfunctory. From a metaphysical perspective, utter incoherence.

    Christianity fits the White genome

    Apparently not, who do you think is set to lose the most adherents to materialism in the coming decades – see the above reference. And Christianity was plenty fit for others (Ethiopian Orthodox is one of the earliest Eastern churches).

    Pretty simple really.

    Sure once you start insisting we are all just chemical machines walking around and their is no transcendent purpose. Well, actually it gets complicated…

    These outliers probably were not jewish anyway…not semitic.

    Of course not, that would get in the way of your white-man-is-god philosophy. You seem pretty intelligent, I’m surprised you sometimes speculate like this in a way that would have given the black-man-is-god-we-wuz-kangz crowd at UCLA a run for their money. White people have been made the vessels for the deliverance of plenty of positive contributions to humanity, that’s for sure. Don’t let it get to your head – from a metaphysical perspective; you’re still slaves.

    All muslims OUT

    Yeah, yeah – show me the federal notice in the mail…

    Peace.

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  160. @Talha

    We are returning to that madness because of mass immigration – particularly Muslim.
     
    This is putting the cart before the horse - there were no huddled masses of boat people crossing into Europe by the thousands before the destabilization of the Middle East beginning with war on Iraq and igniting to include Syria, Yemen and Libya - and what the hell are we still doing in Afghanistan (Bin Ladin is dead and it's a frickin' land-locked country)??!!

    retarded girls are their favorite
     
    Probably. Criminals try to choose the most vulnerable and those whose testimony would be less credible in court - makes perfect sense. If you haven't already, read up on the kinds and level of sexual assaults that take place in old-age facilities and the hands of the staff. These vile people go after those with dementia, those that can barely see, can't talk, etc. because they are less capable of testifying against them.

    Peace.

    Criminals try to choose the most vulnerable…

    Which is one reason the Ziomonster brutes do this type of thing today.

    They probably think of themselves as civilized as they certainly feel themselves entitled.

    Howard Cohen relates the story of one of his students at an engineering college in the Negev struggling to keep up with his studies after Israeli police killed his father, demolished his home:

    …Everything was under the rubble. I even had a workbook for the class but that too was under the rubble together with my ID card and all our other belongings. They didn’t give us any time to leave. They bulldozed the house with all of our possessions in it. I’m trying to return to my studies.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2017/03/the-dispossessed/

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    Talha-Talking-Points.

    more crap. the only thing worth responding to is "chemical machines."

    We are a complex chemical machine with a brain that is the most complex gadget in the universe in a small couple pounds of flesh.

    All your soul chatter is merely your own chemical reflex to something you cannot handle.

    my continued refrain is that Whites are the Best of the races, on every score. That does not make us perfect or Godlike.

    You also miss the point on Democracy. The form is not relevant , much, but the Fundamental is Free Speech and its train of other social and individual Goods. Muslims want to kill Free Speech. Praise Allah, the Beneficent, Merciful (ha), and blah blah yak yak.

    Go to hell, but you are already there.

    Joe Webb
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  161. @dfordoom

    As for Churchill, he was an authority on nearly nothing but supercilious, narcissistic, unctuous, thrill-seeking, vacuous dandyism.
     
    He was also an expert on the use of terror against civilian populations. Remember the fire-bombing of Dresden?

    He was also an expert on the use of terror against civilian populations. Remember the fire-bombing of Dresden?

    Yes.

    Here’s a short article with a partial list of its crimes against humanity, most of which were for the greater glory of Winston, aka Porky.

    As Colonial Secretary in the 1920s, he unleashed the notorious Black and Tan thugs on Ireland’s Catholic civilians, and when the Kurds rebelled against British rule, he said: “I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes…[It] would spread a lively terror.”

    He jeered at the Palestinians as “barbaric hoards who ate little but camel dung,” …”.

    - Johann Hari , Not his finest hour: The dark side of Winston Churchill

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/not-his-finest-hour-the-dark-side-of-winston-churchill-2118317.html

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  162. @Wizard of Oz
    You seem to think so. And you are not wrong if you accept that pulling apart a superficially coherent and sufficiently complete story requires cross-examination on a whole lot of matters which are supposed to support each other.

    You seem to think so.

    You mean, I think that it is important who killed Officer Tippit?

    That’s strange. I have no recollection of ever saying anything about this. How did you draw this conclusion?

    What is important to realize is that Lee Harvey Oswald did not kill Kennedy, nor did he kill anybody else, including Tippit. As for who killed Tippit, at this point in time, probably it would be hard to know. The best guess is that the cabal that killed JFK also killed Tippit (and various other people later) because they knew too much and they were covering their tracks. But all of that is speculation. Again, it is actually NOT that important, it’s nth order stuff. What is important is to realize that Oswald did not kill JFK or Tippit or anybody else. He was just a patsy.

    Okay, now that I’ve clarified my position on this, could you clarify something for me, Wizard? Whenever certain key events come up, like JFK or 9/11 in particular, you’re always in the thread blowing smoke. By now, there is a huge literature on these things. Have you read any of it?

    If so, which authors on JFK or 9/11 have you read? For example, have you read the Douglass book on JFK? Or have you read David Ray Griffin’s book on 9/11? What have you read? I’ve long assumed that you haven’t read any of it because, whenever anything gets very factual, you just start handwaving, like you don’t really know anything.

    Again, have you read any of the authors on these topics? If so, which ones?

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  163. @joe webb
    The Ancient City, by Fustel de Coulanges. p. 375. Doubleday Anchor paperback

    "So long as the republic lasted, it never entered the mind of anyone that the Romans and the other peoples could form a single nation. Rome might, indeed , receive a few of the conquered, allow them to live within her walls, and transform them, in the course of time, into
    Romans, but she could not assimilate a whole foreign people to her people, an entire territory to her territory. Still this was not peculiar to the policy of Rome, but a principle that held through all antiquity;, it was a principle from which Rome would sooner have departed than any other city, but from which she could not entirely free herself. [ meaning that Rome had discarded much of the ancient city religion, etc. ) Whenever, therefor, a people was conquered, it did not enter the Roman state; it entered only the Roman dominion. It was not united to Rome, as provinces are today united to a capital; between. other nations and itself Rome knew only
    two kinds of connection: subjection or alliance."

    And alliances did not include political rights, citizenship, etc.

    When the Republic, such as it was, fell, the Empire went on to embrace Humanity of sorts, and therein began the final coming apart.

    Fustel de Coulanges seems to follow a line of thought that is essentially liberal, if it is possible to combine liberalism with aristocracy, not democracy. He admired the formalities of Roman political equality in citizenship as it was spread around, but the rich still ruled, with relative acceptance by the citizens.

    The Roman fall is debated of course...and immigration of lower life forms probably had a lot to do with it.

    Any suggestions as to more up to date scholarship on this? HIs book was published about 1865 or so.

    Joe Webb

    The Roman fall is debated of course…and immigration of lower life forms probably had a lot to do with it.

    It was multifactorial but I’ve never come across any claim such as that.

    One of the big, but hardly known factors seems to have been the rise of the (big money owned) latifundia which drove the peasants off the land and into Rome resulting in slums and the need to import grain from Egypt. “We” have a somewhat similar situation here in the US today and if it weren’t for “cheap” oil, the empire would probably look a lot different than it currently does.

    Another factor was the continuous warring and the attempt to hold the empire together with military force. That rings a bell too, I think. A reading of Polybius is as illuminating on that point as it is tedious.

    Then there’s Juvenal.

    “For who can be so tolerant of this monstrous city, who so iron of soul, as to contain himself …?”

    Juvenal, SATIRE I, ~ 100AD
    DIFFICILE EST SATURAM NON SCRIBERE

    If you want to be anybody nowadays, you must dare some crime that merits narrow Gyara[23] or a gaol; honesty is praised and left to shiver. It is to their crimes that men owe their pleasure-grounds and palaces, their fine tables and old silver goblets with goats standing out in relief. For when was Vice more rampant? When did the maw of Avarice gape wider? When was gambling so reckless? Men come not now with purses to the hazard of the gaming table, but with a treasure-chest beside them.

    Juvenal, SATIRE I, ~ 100AD

    Difficile Est Saturam Non Scribere

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    thanks, and you are right. I would like to read a great survey, like Fustel de Coulanges' that is up to date.

    Your remark that you have not heard of lower life forms...as in immigration...as a factor is a surprise to me.

    Virtu was lost, commonly remarked by Romans themselves. If you take present day IQ studies which deliver Arabs and Turks to 85 and 90 respectively, and Africans at 70, then the Southern Factor of immigrants counts.

    It takes a relatively higher IQ to be virtuous, as in considering the general interest as opposed to the self-interest. Then there is temperamental differences which is , say, oriental despotism as opposed to Individualism.

    Whites were and are the most individualistic of all the races, both to our credit, and our deficits.
    Rome clearly degenerated from both extreme greed brought on by conquest's treasures, and loss of virtu....probably related to its cosmopolitan multi-racialism.

    Robert Putnam's argument in Community and Diversity in the 21st Century (harvard), is that diversity creates lack of social trust...right now. Within-Race social trust also plumets.

    Is it possible that since the same brains as ours today, back then behaved the same?
    Put dozens of races/ethnys together and it is chaos.

    Thank the Germanic tribes for saving southern Europe after 500 AD. Kept the Arabs, muzzies, etc. out. Then with the invasions of Allah, Charles Martel threw out the muzzies at the Battle of Tours about 731. Then they invaded Spain and corrupted it for 700 years until thrown out. Then there were a couple more assaults. Now we got another one.

    Talha can Go Home with the muzzie rabble with whom we are soon to be At War Again.

    Of course 90 percent of our particular problem today is because of Israel. But arguably, even without Israel, the muzzies would be on the march for Free Money and Free Pussy in Europe.

    Just as American Blacks have an IQ average of 85, so too do the muzzies, in general. Egypt's IQ is 81, due to proximity to Africa. All these people cannot possibly compete with Whites at 100 plus IQ.

    In Camp of the Saints (Raspail about 1971) the only realistic guy who was willing to shoot the invading Hindoos was another Hindoo. He knew.

    Whites are damned fools-for-altruism, like I was. Get your weapons in order, and the first one is your brain, all chemical and electric. Sing the White Body Electric, with infinitely more synapses (to consider so much more) than the low life forms.

    Joe Webb
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  164. Amanda says:
    @dc.sunsets
    While the article you linked raises questions, the author seems inexplicably unaware that London is one of the most video-camera saturated places on Earth.

    No doubt there are a dozen cameras that contain video of the SUV traveling toward its destination. That their recordings are not widely disseminated is the question the author should have asked.

    From the article:

    Just for the record, I can find no evidence that there is an automated CCTV or webcam in this restaurant or on the exterior top of the tower that points at Westminster bridge (there might be one at MI5 HQ, however). In case you were wondering why, in a city like London that is infamous for its preponderance of security cameras (where the average Londoner can expect to be photographed 300 times per day), there is no better footage of the attack, last September all CCTV cameras in Westminster were shut off to ‘save money’.

    I’ve looked into enough of these so called terrorist attacks, and I no longer believe in any of them. I believe they are staged by TPTB/intelligence agencies working for the central banks who want more war. It’s just too convenient that after the Soviet Union fell, the Muslims started to act up. The CIA/MI6 have lots of connections to “radicalized Muslims”–they are simply a tool of Western imperialism”

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/unmasking-the-muslim-brotherhood-syria-egypt-and-beyond/5315406

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-struggles-to-install-proxy-brotherhood-in-egypt/31552

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/america-created-al-qaeda-and-the-isis-terror-group/5402881

    Sibel Edmonds has talked about what we are seeing as Gladio B (based on NATO’s Operation Gladio and the strategy of tension from the post WW2 days)

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    Agree. Of course ISIS was created after the US and UK public pushed back on war in Syria in 2013. The governments, police and institutions of most of the world are controlled by the central bankers who use freemasonry to exert their control.


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  165. @Jonathan Revusky

    I think Dr. Thompson is pretty smart.
     
    Well, okay, Daniel. But if the guy is so smart, then he can defend himself. He doesn't need you! :-)

    Well, actually, in some ways, I'm sure he is pretty smart. But the article is beyond stupid. The bit where he quotes the great "defender of freedom", Winston Churchill, as an expert on Islam, all that's just stupidity squared. It really is.

    But I wrote about the phenomenon, invented a term for it. HIQI, High IQ idiot. That is somebody with a high IQ but a low BDQ, i.e. Bullshit Detection Quotient.

    Anyway, all these terrorist incidents that are being attributed to ISIS, or whatever, these are hoaxes basically. It's all bullshit. The patsies who get framed for these things are already on the radar of all the State security apparatus. None of them can take a shit without the authorities knowing about it. Their phones are tapped and half the people in their milieu are Deep State infiltrators. It's a patsy milieu basically, and if you don't understand what I mean by that, then you need to get educated. And then when you do get educated about these issues, you'll end up realizing that what I said about Dr. Thompson's article is, unfortunately, simply correct.

    None of all this synthetic narrative about "radical Islamic terrorism" withstands any scrutiny really. It's all bullshit. It just is.

    But it’s all necessary. Frighten the masses and you an justify an enormous “first responder” budget. Which justifies, in turn, an enormous legal profession budget. Which creates a greater demand for trained people who need more and bigger training facilities.

    The entire house of cards establishment rests on fear of “them”.

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  166. skrik says:
    @dfordoom

    this method is low-grade and very, very difficult to catch if some random guy wants to pull it off. A car and a knife and solo
     
    The West needs technology worth millions of dollars to spread terror, like drones. But a car and a knife can spread terror very effectively if used with sufficient determination and courage. Yes, courage. People can do evil things and still be brave.

    I get the feeling this is not going to end well for the West. Of course the West could always stop bombing other people's countries but that's never going to happen is it?

    the West could always stop bombing other people’s countries

    Me: Exactly. Skip back:

    When Winston Churchill became First Lord of the Admiralty (heading the British Royal Navy) in 1911, coal was still the primary source of power for naval vessels.

    Me: But they went on to convert their warships to oil, and all else, as they say, is history [including Churchill's Gallipoli imbroglio, how many ANZACs slaughtered?] Long story short; the Brits assisted the ‘sailing’ of a khazar-mafia ‘Airstrip One’ into the middle of the oil-sands of the planet; latest after WW2 the US got ‘on board’ and the world has thus been set on course for going over the ‘clash of civilizations’ cliff. The smart-arses pulling the strings think they are genii; they think that they can reverse civilization and ‘the Enlightenment’ strictly for their own personal benefit, not realizing that when they actually succeed, they too will unavoidably go down the gurgler with all the rest of us. rgds

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  167. Paul C. says:
    @Amanda
    From the article:

    Just for the record, I can find no evidence that there is an automated CCTV or webcam in this restaurant or on the exterior top of the tower that points at Westminster bridge (there might be one at MI5 HQ, however). In case you were wondering why, in a city like London that is infamous for its preponderance of security cameras (where the average Londoner can expect to be photographed 300 times per day), there is no better footage of the attack, last September all CCTV cameras in Westminster were shut off to 'save money'.

    I've looked into enough of these so called terrorist attacks, and I no longer believe in any of them. I believe they are staged by TPTB/intelligence agencies working for the central banks who want more war. It's just too convenient that after the Soviet Union fell, the Muslims started to act up. The CIA/MI6 have lots of connections to "radicalized Muslims"--they are simply a tool of Western imperialism"
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/unmasking-the-muslim-brotherhood-syria-egypt-and-beyond/5315406
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-struggles-to-install-proxy-brotherhood-in-egypt/31552
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/america-created-al-qaeda-and-the-isis-terror-group/5402881

    Sibel Edmonds has talked about what we are seeing as Gladio B (based on NATO's Operation Gladio and the strategy of tension from the post WW2 days)

    Agree. Of course ISIS was created after the US and UK public pushed back on war in Syria in 2013. The governments, police and institutions of most of the world are controlled by the central bankers who use freemasonry to exert their control.

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  168. KenH says:
    @Talha
    Hey KenH,

    How does the American invasion give Muslims license to begin mass murdering and torturing them?
     
    It doesn't. But these same extremists have killed and tortured more Muslims than non-Muslims - why would they treat Christians with kid gloves? Hopefully this stage is coming to an end and things can get back to a level of normalcy.

    Islam has a pretty impressive track record of slaughter, rape and rapine
     
    No, but too many Muslims do for sure, unfortunately - we'll likely never be able to remove the blight that men like Tamerlane brought upon Muslim history.

    and they don’t take second to any Christians
     
    This doesn't sound right. From what I've read, Muslims are lower on the totem pole than both European Christians and East Asians in terms of sanguinary history. If you read about the level of slaughters that happened in Europe or in parts of China historically, there is no doubt those two take top billing:
    http://battles.nodegoat.net/viewer.p/23/385/scenario/1/geo/fullscreen
    http://list25.com/25-deadliest-wars-in-human-history/
    http://necrometrics.com/pre1700a.htm#20worst (this is a great site, the author documents his various sources and gives reasons why he concludes the numbers he does based on balancing out the differing viewpoints)

    Europe has historically (before and after Christianity*) been the most violent region up well into the modern era - they perfected war on each other; how do you think they were able to bring 3/4 of the world to heel within an impressively short time span?

    I believe the Dharmic civilization of India takes the cake for having the least blood on their hands.

    Peace.

    *Note: I honestly don't place this at the feet of Christianity the religion, but any religion that has had that number of adherents and lasted that long is bound to have varying points in its history including the peaceful, the bloody and the very bloody. Also, the Eastern churches tend to have a separate history and calibration that the Latins.

    It doesn’t. But these same extremists have killed and tortured more Muslims than non-Muslims – why would they treat Christians with kid gloves?

    You are conflating the two. Muslims are killing fellow Muslims who do not subscribe to their Salafist version of the faith. So ISIS is not trying to eradicate Islam, only those Muslims who won’t swear loyalty to them. OTOH, what ISIS is doing to Christians and Yazidis constitutes naked aggression and murder against non-Islamic religious communities solely on the basis of religion.

    It’s not as if things were hunky dory before ISIS. Christians came under attack almost from the moment of the 2003 invasion and attacks continued to intensify since Saddam’s security services were no longer around to strike fear in the Islamists and restrain them.

    This doesn’t sound right. From what I’ve read, Muslims are lower on the totem pole than both European Christians and East Asians in terms of sanguinary history

    That all depends on the sources one chooses to consult. No doubt Europe’s history has had periods of massive bloodshed up until 1945. But with the exception of the Thirty Years War most of the blood spilled was the result of nationalist rivalries and not religious zeal and intolerance and world wars I and II account for the lion’s share.

    The death toll attributed to Stalin and Mao should have an asterisk since communism was a non-native, alien (Jewish) creed imported into those regions which set off a chain of events that claimed the lives of tens of millions.

    According to some sources Islam has claimed approximately 270 million lives since it burst onto the world scene in the 7th century:

    https://www.politicalislam.com/tears-of-jihad/

    If we assume this number is wildly inflated and lower it by 50% then 135 million deaths still places Islam near the top of the sanguinary history list.

    Before we digress too much, the central point is that Muslims are currently waging a one sided war against non-Muslims whether in Indonesia, Pakistan, Egypt, the Middle East and now Europe. Christians aren’t destroying and desecrating mosques, killing and beheading imams, issuing death threats, beheading Muslims, pressing some of their women into prostitution and forcibly converting others.

    Sufists have also come under attack by Islamic fundamentalists in recent years and I guarantee you would probably be safer living among Christians, Buddhists and Hindus than some of your fellow co-religionists.

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    Christian nations are waging war on Muslim countries and the numbers killed on behalf of these NATO nations make any numbers coming from Muslim extremists pale in comparison. 50% of a bogus number in this case is still a bogus number, nothing remotely comes close to the millions killed in the short span time that was WW1 and WW2, and thats not getting into what Christians have done in the Western Hemisphere since 1492. Christians and other groups in the Middle East had to exist there in the first place for the current attack on them to take place, so this was not status quo. And if it's about Sadam keeping the Peace, why the fuck were the benevolent Christians from America sent there to kill him in the first place....bottom line is the bullshit didn't kick off until we sent our boys there to start the drama and no bending of history changes the obvious reality. White Americans don't give a shit about Christians unless they look like them so please refrain from trying to judge communities who have played peaceful host to those people for centuries while Europeans have been slaughtering for centuries now.
    , @Avery
    { I guarantee you would probably be safer living among Christians, Buddhists and Hindus than some of your fellow co-religionists.}

    Right: they are. That's why (mostly) Muslim refugees fleeing ISIS and other IslamoFascist cannibals are desperate to reach Christian lands (Western Europe, North America,....), instead of the Muslim** paradises of Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Emirates, Indonesia,.......

    {then 135 million deaths still places Islam near the top of the sanguinary history list.}

    In addition to those murdered outright, unknown millions, perhaps tens of millions of Christian children whose parents were murdered by Muslim invaders, were abducted and forcibly Islamized.
    In the case of my ancestors, aside from the 1.5 million* (Christian) Armenians murdered by Muslim Turk invadonomads (1915-1923), estimated several hundred thousand orphaned Armenian children and teenage girls were forcibly Islamized and Turkified or Kurdified.
    A large number were saved from Islamization by American Angels (Near East Relief).

    I know _some_ Native American children were Christianized by less than honorable means, but know of no similar wholesale Christianization of Muslims or other faiths on pain of death.

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    * Total number of Christians subjected to Genocide (1915-1923) in Asia Minor by Muslim UygurTürkoğlar Turk nomads from East and Central Asia is about 4 million: Armenians, Assyrians, and Greeks.

    ** Several million Syrian refugees in Muslim Turkey are there because Turkey is next door, not because Turks give a hoot about their Muslim 'brethren'. They are kept in tent camps paid for by UN (e.g. Western taxpayers). They cannot leave, cannot work......Turks keep them as a bargaining chip to terrorize and blackmail EU.
    , @Talha
    Hey KenH,

    OTOH, what ISIS is doing to Christians and Yazidis constitutes naked aggression and murder against non-Islamic religious communities solely on the basis of religion.
     
    Yeah - that's what extremists do - I mean they're called extremists for a reason.

    Christians came under attack almost from the moment of the 2003 invasion
     
    Thanks for helping me make my point. The Christians are not under assault unless one turns relatively stable countries into free-fire zones - is this not obvious? Solution is clear - don't do it.

    Worse thing to do in Jordan would be to depose the king in the foolish name of democracy:
    "In modern times, the Holy Land’s eastern bank provides a prophetic vision of the Middle East, where Christians and Muslims live together in harmony, building a civil society that upholds the rights and dignity of all. A powerful icon of Jordan’s integrated Christian-Muslim society is found in King Abdullah II, a direct descendent of the Prophet Muhammad, who has commissioned the building of 11 churches at the Baptismal Site of Jesus in Bethany Beyond the Jordan, which is revered by Christians and Muslims alike."
    http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/how-christians-in-jordan-and-america-have-a-role-in-middle-east-peace


    According to some sources
     
    Sorry, I cannot take Bill Warner (a former physics professor) seriously. A guys who thinks he can (in English) simply summarize and mash together texts of variant hadith for the sake of brevity - a feat so profoundly stupid, no one in the history of Islam proposed anything like it in Arabic or any other language. As far as his sources, he uses the absolutely most high estimates and even then he makes the stuff up. For instance, he says; "A rough estimate by Raphael Moore in History of Asia Minor is that another 50 million died in wars by jihad."

    This is a blatant lie. Here is what Rev. Raphael Moore actually had to say; he meticulously outlines the 3.5+ million Orthodox Christians killed by Muslims - they rest of the 50 million number has zero to do with Islam but rather the Communist purges in Russia and the Holdomor in Ukraine. See for yourself:
    http://www.serfes.org/orthodox/memoryof.htm

    And anybody who cites Koenard Elst's book for a number of 80 million Hindu deaths has completely lost credibility with me, I refuted that nonsense a few months back (it basically depends on the one historian that estimated that population declined for years of Muslim rule - this is in contrast to every other academic estimate which estimate population to have grown) :
    http://www.unz.com/pbuchanan/is-islamic-terror-americas-future/?highlight=elst#comment-1461037
    http://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/the-sun-people-tsunami-and-the-inevitability-of-lifeboat-ethics/#comment-1703074

    Do your research please come back with more professional and academic sources if you want the largest blood libel in history to be placed at the feet of Muslims. Let's not be lazy and post links to random Hindutva or Christian polemics websites - I'm willing to debate this, but I don't feel like wasting my time.


    Before we digress too much, the central point is that Muslims are currently waging a one sided war against non-Muslims whether in Indonesia, Pakistan, Egypt, the Middle East and now Europe.
     
    Are you ****ing ****ing me??!! Fully armed navies and air forces have been moving between the East and the West and I can guarantee you they have only been moving in one direction. The boat people assaulting the shores of Europe are not like the boat people that land on Muslim shores - usually they are called Marines.

    Christians aren’t destroying and desecrating mosques, killing and beheading imams, issuing death threats, beheading Muslims
     
    They've destroyed plenty of mosques, they have blown up plenty of imams too, they even drone weddings and turn plenty of Muslim kids into hamburger. Are you seriously watching the score? Are you saying the piles of non-Muslim bodies in Europe over the last couple of decades comes even remotely close to the piles of bodies in the Muslim world? But that doesn't count because lives lost trying to spread the imperial cult of democracy (which evidently far too many Christians believe in more strongly than their purported faith) are just part of the deal, 'shock and awe' and all that - lives lost with extremists spreading their cult version of religion - well, heavens to mergatroid!

    If people in Europe and the US are serious about wanting to stunt this madness they should encourage Muslims to keep to their traditional Islam (the one that has consistently denounced this behavior), not demand or support reformation (which is where all these extremist strains come from), and stop cozying up to our crazies.
    "A White House statement, issued Wednesday, said that Trump and Salman had directed their teams to find ways 'to further strengthen and elevate the United States-Saudi strategic relationship' on the political, military, security, economic, cultural and social fronts. "
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/josh-rogin/wp/2017/03/16/trump-resets-u-s-saudi-relations-in-saudi-arabias-favor/?utm_term=.79e011f1cf20

    We certainly have our work cut out trying to reduce the influence and spread of our extremists, no doubt about it - the actions of the West are not helping at all.


    pressing some of their women into prostitution and forcibly converting others

     

    This is true, Christians don't seem to be doing this much.

    than some of your fellow co-religionists
     
    Totally agree.

    If you want to use 'Muslim' in general terms in the place whenever some minority extremists do nonsense, then can we use 'Christian' in place any political violence is committed by certain Christians?

    C'mon man let's get real here.

    Peace.

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  169. joe webb says:
    @jacques sheete

    Criminals try to choose the most vulnerable...
     
    Which is one reason the Ziomonster brutes do this type of thing today.

    They probably think of themselves as civilized as they certainly feel themselves entitled.

    Howard Cohen relates the story of one of his students at an engineering college in the Negev struggling to keep up with his studies after Israeli police killed his father, demolished his home:

    ...Everything was under the rubble. I even had a workbook for the class but that too was under the rubble together with my ID card and all our other belongings. They didn’t give us any time to leave. They bulldozed the house with all of our possessions in it. I’m trying to return to my studies.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2017/03/the-dispossessed/

     

    Talha-Talking-Points.

    more crap. the only thing worth responding to is “chemical machines.”

    We are a complex chemical machine with a brain that is the most complex gadget in the universe in a small couple pounds of flesh.

    All your soul chatter is merely your own chemical reflex to something you cannot handle.

    my continued refrain is that Whites are the Best of the races, on every score. That does not make us perfect or Godlike.

    You also miss the point on Democracy. The form is not relevant , much, but the Fundamental is Free Speech and its train of other social and individual Goods. Muslims want to kill Free Speech. Praise Allah, the Beneficent, Merciful (ha), and blah blah yak yak.

    Go to hell, but you are already there.

    Joe Webb

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    lol....Talha gets the best of Joe Webb again...we should put together a special page dedicated to the multiple times this has happened..."go to hell" really shows him, Joe!
    , @Talha
    Hey JW,

    All your soul chatter is merely your own chemical reflex to something you cannot handle.
     
    Hmmm, so you have no soul...we'll see...

    "And say to those who do not believe, 'Work according to your position; indeed, we are working. And wait; indeed, we are also waiting.'" (11:121-122)


    my continued refrain is that Whites are the Best of the races, on every score
     
    Yes, my ears doth ring from the sound. If you say so...
    "Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall." Proverbs:16:18

    Muslims want to kill Free Speech.
     
    No such thing as free speech - every society puts limits on it - they just differ on what they prosecute; you never heard of libel laws or incitement to riot?

    Go to hell
     
    Says the materialist....Heaven's big enough for everybody, I respond.

    Peace.

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  170. joe webb says:
    @jacques sheete

    The Roman fall is debated of course…and immigration of lower life forms probably had a lot to do with it.
     
    It was multifactorial but I've never come across any claim such as that.

    One of the big, but hardly known factors seems to have been the rise of the (big money owned) latifundia which drove the peasants off the land and into Rome resulting in slums and the need to import grain from Egypt. "We" have a somewhat similar situation here in the US today and if it weren't for "cheap" oil, the empire would probably look a lot different than it currently does.

    Another factor was the continuous warring and the attempt to hold the empire together with military force. That rings a bell too, I think. A reading of Polybius is as illuminating on that point as it is tedious.

    Then there's Juvenal.

    “For who can be so tolerant of this monstrous city, who so iron of soul, as to contain himself …?”

    Juvenal, SATIRE I, ~ 100AD
    DIFFICILE EST SATURAM NON SCRIBERE



    If you want to be anybody nowadays, you must dare some crime that merits narrow Gyara[23] or a gaol; honesty is praised and left to shiver. It is to their crimes that men owe their pleasure-grounds and palaces, their fine tables and old silver goblets with goats standing out in relief. For when was Vice more rampant? When did the maw of Avarice gape wider? When was gambling so reckless? Men come not now with purses to the hazard of the gaming table, but with a treasure-chest beside them.

    Juvenal, SATIRE I, ~ 100AD

    Difficile Est Saturam Non Scribere

     

    thanks, and you are right. I would like to read a great survey, like Fustel de Coulanges’ that is up to date.

    Your remark that you have not heard of lower life forms…as in immigration…as a factor is a surprise to me.

    Virtu was lost, commonly remarked by Romans themselves. If you take present day IQ studies which deliver Arabs and Turks to 85 and 90 respectively, and Africans at 70, then the Southern Factor of immigrants counts.

    It takes a relatively higher IQ to be virtuous, as in considering the general interest as opposed to the self-interest. Then there is temperamental differences which is , say, oriental despotism as opposed to Individualism.

    Whites were and are the most individualistic of all the races, both to our credit, and our deficits.
    Rome clearly degenerated from both extreme greed brought on by conquest’s treasures, and loss of virtu….probably related to its cosmopolitan multi-racialism.

    Robert Putnam’s argument in Community and Diversity in the 21st Century (harvard), is that diversity creates lack of social trust…right now. Within-Race social trust also plumets.

    Is it possible that since the same brains as ours today, back then behaved the same?
    Put dozens of races/ethnys together and it is chaos.

    Thank the Germanic tribes for saving southern Europe after 500 AD. Kept the Arabs, muzzies, etc. out. Then with the invasions of Allah, Charles Martel threw out the muzzies at the Battle of Tours about 731. Then they invaded Spain and corrupted it for 700 years until thrown out. Then there were a couple more assaults. Now we got another one.

    Talha can Go Home with the muzzie rabble with whom we are soon to be At War Again.

    Of course 90 percent of our particular problem today is because of Israel. But arguably, even without Israel, the muzzies would be on the march for Free Money and Free Pussy in Europe.

    Just as American Blacks have an IQ average of 85, so too do the muzzies, in general. Egypt’s IQ is 81, due to proximity to Africa. All these people cannot possibly compete with Whites at 100 plus IQ.

    In Camp of the Saints (Raspail about 1971) the only realistic guy who was willing to shoot the invading Hindoos was another Hindoo. He knew.

    Whites are damned fools-for-altruism, like I was. Get your weapons in order, and the first one is your brain, all chemical and electric. Sing the White Body Electric, with infinitely more synapses (to consider so much more) than the low life forms.

    Joe Webb

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    If IQ is so set in stone than you must be an exception to your race because your supposed higher intelligence is not reflecting here Joe. The low iq Paki Talha is exposing your inferiority complex and no amount of yapping about high IQ can disguise it, in fact, just makes you look like you're bitter.
    , @Anon-og
    Some altruism lol....we are the only who have nuked, enslaved on such a large scale, and killed in such large numbers. And yeah such high IQs, we and our country are being ran by a clearly smarter group of minority Jews....I don't see it Joe.
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  171. Anon-og [AKA "Mike Johnson"] says:
    @KenH

    It doesn’t. But these same extremists have killed and tortured more Muslims than non-Muslims – why would they treat Christians with kid gloves?
     
    You are conflating the two. Muslims are killing fellow Muslims who do not subscribe to their Salafist version of the faith. So ISIS is not trying to eradicate Islam, only those Muslims who won't swear loyalty to them. OTOH, what ISIS is doing to Christians and Yazidis constitutes naked aggression and murder against non-Islamic religious communities solely on the basis of religion.

    It's not as if things were hunky dory before ISIS. Christians came under attack almost from the moment of the 2003 invasion and attacks continued to intensify since Saddam's security services were no longer around to strike fear in the Islamists and restrain them.


    This doesn’t sound right. From what I’ve read, Muslims are lower on the totem pole than both European Christians and East Asians in terms of sanguinary history
     
    That all depends on the sources one chooses to consult. No doubt Europe's history has had periods of massive bloodshed up until 1945. But with the exception of the Thirty Years War most of the blood spilled was the result of nationalist rivalries and not religious zeal and intolerance and world wars I and II account for the lion's share.

    The death toll attributed to Stalin and Mao should have an asterisk since communism was a non-native, alien (Jewish) creed imported into those regions which set off a chain of events that claimed the lives of tens of millions.

    According to some sources Islam has claimed approximately 270 million lives since it burst onto the world scene in the 7th century:
    https://www.politicalislam.com/tears-of-jihad/
    If we assume this number is wildly inflated and lower it by 50% then 135 million deaths still places Islam near the top of the sanguinary history list.

    Before we digress too much, the central point is that Muslims are currently waging a one sided war against non-Muslims whether in Indonesia, Pakistan, Egypt, the Middle East and now Europe. Christians aren't destroying and desecrating mosques, killing and beheading imams, issuing death threats, beheading Muslims, pressing some of their women into prostitution and forcibly converting others.

    Sufists have also come under attack by Islamic fundamentalists in recent years and I guarantee you would probably be safer living among Christians, Buddhists and Hindus than some of your fellow co-religionists.

    Christian nations are waging war on Muslim countries and the numbers killed on behalf of these NATO nations make any numbers coming from Muslim extremists pale in comparison. 50% of a bogus number in this case is still a bogus number, nothing remotely comes close to the millions killed in the short span time that was WW1 and WW2, and thats not getting into what Christians have done in the Western Hemisphere since 1492. Christians and other groups in the Middle East had to exist there in the first place for the current attack on them to take place, so this was not status quo. And if it’s about Sadam keeping the Peace, why the fuck were the benevolent Christians from America sent there to kill him in the first place….bottom line is the bullshit didn’t kick off until we sent our boys there to start the drama and no bending of history changes the obvious reality. White Americans don’t give a shit about Christians unless they look like them so please refrain from trying to judge communities who have played peaceful host to those people for centuries while Europeans have been slaughtering for centuries now.

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    please refrain from trying to judge communities who have played peaceful host to those people for centuries
     
    they weren't peaceful hosts - they invaded and conquered them

    while Europeans have been slaughtering for centuries now.
     
    All those pretty towns in southern Europe built on hilltops were built to defend against Arab slave raids.

    The Christian tax in the Turkish controlled parts of SE Europe was the oldest male child as a slave.

    Islam is not unique in any of this of course but your 100% double standard on the imperialism thing proves your motivation is anti-white or anti-Christian, not anti-imperialism.
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  172. @dfordoom

    As for Churchill, he was an authority on nearly nothing but supercilious, narcissistic, unctuous, thrill-seeking, vacuous dandyism.
     
    He was also an expert on the use of terror against civilian populations. Remember the fire-bombing of Dresden?

    He was also an expert on the use of terror against civilian populations. Remember the fire-bombing of Dresden?

    Winnie was acting as the great defender of freedom. In this case, he was freeing those people of the burdens of their earthly existence.

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  173. Anon-og [AKA "Mike Johnson"] says:
    @joe webb
    Talha-Talking-Points.

    more crap. the only thing worth responding to is "chemical machines."

    We are a complex chemical machine with a brain that is the most complex gadget in the universe in a small couple pounds of flesh.

    All your soul chatter is merely your own chemical reflex to something you cannot handle.

    my continued refrain is that Whites are the Best of the races, on every score. That does not make us perfect or Godlike.

    You also miss the point on Democracy. The form is not relevant , much, but the Fundamental is Free Speech and its train of other social and individual Goods. Muslims want to kill Free Speech. Praise Allah, the Beneficent, Merciful (ha), and blah blah yak yak.

    Go to hell, but you are already there.

    Joe Webb

    lol….Talha gets the best of Joe Webb again…we should put together a special page dedicated to the multiple times this has happened…”go to hell” really shows him, Joe!

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  174. Anon-og [AKA "Mike Johnson"] says:
    @joe webb
    thanks, and you are right. I would like to read a great survey, like Fustel de Coulanges' that is up to date.

    Your remark that you have not heard of lower life forms...as in immigration...as a factor is a surprise to me.

    Virtu was lost, commonly remarked by Romans themselves. If you take present day IQ studies which deliver Arabs and Turks to 85 and 90 respectively, and Africans at 70, then the Southern Factor of immigrants counts.

    It takes a relatively higher IQ to be virtuous, as in considering the general interest as opposed to the self-interest. Then there is temperamental differences which is , say, oriental despotism as opposed to Individualism.

    Whites were and are the most individualistic of all the races, both to our credit, and our deficits.
    Rome clearly degenerated from both extreme greed brought on by conquest's treasures, and loss of virtu....probably related to its cosmopolitan multi-racialism.

    Robert Putnam's argument in Community and Diversity in the 21st Century (harvard), is that diversity creates lack of social trust...right now. Within-Race social trust also plumets.

    Is it possible that since the same brains as ours today, back then behaved the same?
    Put dozens of races/ethnys together and it is chaos.

    Thank the Germanic tribes for saving southern Europe after 500 AD. Kept the Arabs, muzzies, etc. out. Then with the invasions of Allah, Charles Martel threw out the muzzies at the Battle of Tours about 731. Then they invaded Spain and corrupted it for 700 years until thrown out. Then there were a couple more assaults. Now we got another one.

    Talha can Go Home with the muzzie rabble with whom we are soon to be At War Again.

    Of course 90 percent of our particular problem today is because of Israel. But arguably, even without Israel, the muzzies would be on the march for Free Money and Free Pussy in Europe.

    Just as American Blacks have an IQ average of 85, so too do the muzzies, in general. Egypt's IQ is 81, due to proximity to Africa. All these people cannot possibly compete with Whites at 100 plus IQ.

    In Camp of the Saints (Raspail about 1971) the only realistic guy who was willing to shoot the invading Hindoos was another Hindoo. He knew.

    Whites are damned fools-for-altruism, like I was. Get your weapons in order, and the first one is your brain, all chemical and electric. Sing the White Body Electric, with infinitely more synapses (to consider so much more) than the low life forms.

    Joe Webb

    If IQ is so set in stone than you must be an exception to your race because your supposed higher intelligence is not reflecting here Joe. The low iq Paki Talha is exposing your inferiority complex and no amount of yapping about high IQ can disguise it, in fact, just makes you look like you’re bitter.

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    If IQ is so set in stone
     
    IQ isn't set in stone.

    It's the product of the frequency of specific genes in particular populations or individuals.

    That's how it can change over generations but only over generations.

    That's why if anyone genuinely wanted to close the black-white gap the only way to do it is change gene frequencies.
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  175. @NoseytheDuke
    Agreed. This latest attack in London appears to be a genuine case of vengeance rather than a false-flag of any kind. The police didn't seem to have name, address and pictures ready within minutes as they normally do but seemed to require a little time to actually investigate.

    Kick a hornets nest and one can expect a few painful stings. These events do serve a purpose for some though, those who would impose a police-state will enjoy the luxury of doing so with the full permission of the masses.

    This latest attack in London appears to be a genuine case of vengeance rather than a false-flag of any kind.

    Nosey, I’m pretty certain that you’re wrong about this. This is surely yet another synthetic event brought to us by the wonderful folks who brought us all the previous synthetic events.

    The thing is that it’s fairly recent, but I anticipate that within a certain period of time, a lot of details will seep out such that this will become obvious — at least, you know, to the people who are awake, paying attention.

    You see, the thing is that these are all synthetic events. You have the idea that it’s a mix, that some of these events are real, organically occurring events, and others are synthetic, but no, if you seriously think about it, you realize that they all must be synthetic basically.

    You see, look at it from the point of view of the people behind these things. When you have a synthetic event, you completely control the narrative. The grieving relatives and witnesses are typically crisis actors and you control all the talking points. If you have a real grieving person who lost a son or a spouse or something, you can’t really control what that person is going to say when they’re in front a camera.

    They control the narrative on these things and the only way to do that is for the events to always be synthetic.

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    You may well be correct, I stated what I did due to the perp not being ID'd immediately but I concede that proves nothing. As you and Amanda have said, given the fact that ANY of these terror events have been artificial in the past, and they clearly have, then it would be prudent to assume that they all are fake until proven otherwise.
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  176. Anon-og [AKA "Mike Johnson"] says:
    @joe webb
    thanks, and you are right. I would like to read a great survey, like Fustel de Coulanges' that is up to date.

    Your remark that you have not heard of lower life forms...as in immigration...as a factor is a surprise to me.

    Virtu was lost, commonly remarked by Romans themselves. If you take present day IQ studies which deliver Arabs and Turks to 85 and 90 respectively, and Africans at 70, then the Southern Factor of immigrants counts.

    It takes a relatively higher IQ to be virtuous, as in considering the general interest as opposed to the self-interest. Then there is temperamental differences which is , say, oriental despotism as opposed to Individualism.

    Whites were and are the most individualistic of all the races, both to our credit, and our deficits.
    Rome clearly degenerated from both extreme greed brought on by conquest's treasures, and loss of virtu....probably related to its cosmopolitan multi-racialism.

    Robert Putnam's argument in Community and Diversity in the 21st Century (harvard), is that diversity creates lack of social trust...right now. Within-Race social trust also plumets.

    Is it possible that since the same brains as ours today, back then behaved the same?
    Put dozens of races/ethnys together and it is chaos.

    Thank the Germanic tribes for saving southern Europe after 500 AD. Kept the Arabs, muzzies, etc. out. Then with the invasions of Allah, Charles Martel threw out the muzzies at the Battle of Tours about 731. Then they invaded Spain and corrupted it for 700 years until thrown out. Then there were a couple more assaults. Now we got another one.

    Talha can Go Home with the muzzie rabble with whom we are soon to be At War Again.

    Of course 90 percent of our particular problem today is because of Israel. But arguably, even without Israel, the muzzies would be on the march for Free Money and Free Pussy in Europe.

    Just as American Blacks have an IQ average of 85, so too do the muzzies, in general. Egypt's IQ is 81, due to proximity to Africa. All these people cannot possibly compete with Whites at 100 plus IQ.

    In Camp of the Saints (Raspail about 1971) the only realistic guy who was willing to shoot the invading Hindoos was another Hindoo. He knew.

    Whites are damned fools-for-altruism, like I was. Get your weapons in order, and the first one is your brain, all chemical and electric. Sing the White Body Electric, with infinitely more synapses (to consider so much more) than the low life forms.

    Joe Webb

    Some altruism lol….we are the only who have nuked, enslaved on such a large scale, and killed in such large numbers. And yeah such high IQs, we and our country are being ran by a clearly smarter group of minority Jews….I don’t see it Joe.

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    we are the only who have nuked, enslaved on such a large scale, and killed in such large numbers.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasions_and_conquests

    "Mike", as you're so anti-empire how do you feel about the Mughal empire?

    Was that an exception to the rule?


    Some altruism lol….
     
    the first effect of a widening circle of sympathy is greater cohesion among a larger group - great for war

    it's only when the circle becomes too wide for the current environment that it makes people soft

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  177. Talha says:
    @joe webb
    Talha-Talking-Points.

    more crap. the only thing worth responding to is "chemical machines."

    We are a complex chemical machine with a brain that is the most complex gadget in the universe in a small couple pounds of flesh.

    All your soul chatter is merely your own chemical reflex to something you cannot handle.

    my continued refrain is that Whites are the Best of the races, on every score. That does not make us perfect or Godlike.

    You also miss the point on Democracy. The form is not relevant , much, but the Fundamental is Free Speech and its train of other social and individual Goods. Muslims want to kill Free Speech. Praise Allah, the Beneficent, Merciful (ha), and blah blah yak yak.

    Go to hell, but you are already there.

    Joe Webb

    Hey JW,

    All your soul chatter is merely your own chemical reflex to something you cannot handle.

    Hmmm, so you have no soul…we’ll see…

    “And say to those who do not believe, ‘Work according to your position; indeed, we are working. And wait; indeed, we are also waiting.’” (11:121-122)

    my continued refrain is that Whites are the Best of the races, on every score

    Yes, my ears doth ring from the sound. If you say so…
    “Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall.” Proverbs:16:18

    Muslims want to kill Free Speech.

    No such thing as free speech – every society puts limits on it – they just differ on what they prosecute; you never heard of libel laws or incitement to riot?

    Go to hell

    Says the materialist….Heaven’s big enough for everybody, I respond.

    Peace.

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    Talha, we should double down on comment exchanges, we never know when we are going to get picked up by the NY Times.

    iffen
    March 14, 2017 at 8:17 pm GMT • 100 Words

    Talha:
    Hey – new ‘Native’ American tribal reserve with autonomy – we’ve done this before.
    “Buffalo Solja, in the heart of America”,
     


    Whiteclay (Lakota: Makȟásaŋ;[1] “whiteish or yellowish clay”), is an unincorporated community and census-designated place in Sheridan County, Nebraska, United States. The population was 14 at the 2000 census.
    A significant part of Whiteclay’s economy is based on alcohol sales to residents of the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, located two miles (3.2 km) north across the border in South Dakota, where alcohol consumption and possession is prohibited. According to the Nebraska Liquor Control Commission, beer sales at Whiteclay’s four liquor stores totalled 4.9 million cans in 2010 (~13,000 cans per day) for gross sales of $3 million.[2] The four beer merchants paid federal and state excise taxes (included in liquor’s sale price) of $413,932 that year.[3]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiteclay%2C_Nebraska
     


    American Indian Firewater Myths Are No Myths
    Steve Sailer • March 26, 2017
    From the New York Times, an account of an HBD interface that I’ve mentioned before:
    Nebraska May Stanch One Town’s Flow of Beer to Its Vulnerable Neighbors
     
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  178. Avery says:
    @KenH

    It doesn’t. But these same extremists have killed and tortured more Muslims than non-Muslims – why would they treat Christians with kid gloves?
     
    You are conflating the two. Muslims are killing fellow Muslims who do not subscribe to their Salafist version of the faith. So ISIS is not trying to eradicate Islam, only those Muslims who won't swear loyalty to them. OTOH, what ISIS is doing to Christians and Yazidis constitutes naked aggression and murder against non-Islamic religious communities solely on the basis of religion.

    It's not as if things were hunky dory before ISIS. Christians came under attack almost from the moment of the 2003 invasion and attacks continued to intensify since Saddam's security services were no longer around to strike fear in the Islamists and restrain them.


    This doesn’t sound right. From what I’ve read, Muslims are lower on the totem pole than both European Christians and East Asians in terms of sanguinary history
     
    That all depends on the sources one chooses to consult. No doubt Europe's history has had periods of massive bloodshed up until 1945. But with the exception of the Thirty Years War most of the blood spilled was the result of nationalist rivalries and not religious zeal and intolerance and world wars I and II account for the lion's share.

    The death toll attributed to Stalin and Mao should have an asterisk since communism was a non-native, alien (Jewish) creed imported into those regions which set off a chain of events that claimed the lives of tens of millions.

    According to some sources Islam has claimed approximately 270 million lives since it burst onto the world scene in the 7th century:
    https://www.politicalislam.com/tears-of-jihad/
    If we assume this number is wildly inflated and lower it by 50% then 135 million deaths still places Islam near the top of the sanguinary history list.

    Before we digress too much, the central point is that Muslims are currently waging a one sided war against non-Muslims whether in Indonesia, Pakistan, Egypt, the Middle East and now Europe. Christians aren't destroying and desecrating mosques, killing and beheading imams, issuing death threats, beheading Muslims, pressing some of their women into prostitution and forcibly converting others.

    Sufists have also come under attack by Islamic fundamentalists in recent years and I guarantee you would probably be safer living among Christians, Buddhists and Hindus than some of your fellow co-religionists.

    { I guarantee you would probably be safer living among Christians, Buddhists and Hindus than some of your fellow co-religionists.}

    Right: they are. That’s why (mostly) Muslim refugees fleeing ISIS and other IslamoFascist cannibals are desperate to reach Christian lands (Western Europe, North America,….), instead of the Muslim** paradises of Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Emirates, Indonesia,…….

    {then 135 million deaths still places Islam near the top of the sanguinary history list.}

    In addition to those murdered outright, unknown millions, perhaps tens of millions of Christian children whose parents were murdered by Muslim invaders, were abducted and forcibly Islamized.
    In the case of my ancestors, aside from the 1.5 million* (Christian) Armenians murdered by Muslim Turk invadonomads (1915-1923), estimated several hundred thousand orphaned Armenian children and teenage girls were forcibly Islamized and Turkified or Kurdified.
    A large number were saved from Islamization by American Angels (Near East Relief).

    I know _some_ Native American children were Christianized by less than honorable means, but know of no similar wholesale Christianization of Muslims or other faiths on pain of death.

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    * Total number of Christians subjected to Genocide (1915-1923) in Asia Minor by Muslim UygurTürkoğlar Turk nomads from East and Central Asia is about 4 million: Armenians, Assyrians, and Greeks.

    ** Several million Syrian refugees in Muslim Turkey are there because Turkey is next door, not because Turks give a hoot about their Muslim ‘brethren’. They are kept in tent camps paid for by UN (e.g. Western taxpayers). They cannot leave, cannot work……Turks keep them as a bargaining chip to terrorize and blackmail EU.

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  179. TheJester says:

    James, you know the acceptable schtick for things like this throughout the Western world and especially in Europe: “Move on, very few dead, nothing to see here. Diversity is our strength! Islam is a religion of peace! Allah Akbar!”

    I know, before things changed, the police in Britain and its empire had a long tradition of keeping the peace with nothing but a notepad and a pencil … but, that is so 1950. Today, it’s military grade automatic weapons. Indeed, a large number of people in the United States believe that the citizenry should be armed with military grade automatic weapons for personal defense. Yes, it’s that bad … and it’s that bad in almost every country that considers itself part of Western Civilization.

    Where did it all go wrong?

    At least we in the United States have the First Amendment (Free Speach) and Second Amendment (the Right to Bear Arms) to our Constitution … and we have Trump. If Britain and the rest of Europe have any hope for saving itself, it should follow our example.

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    I know, before things changed, the police in Britain and its empire had a long tradition of keeping the peace with nothing but a notepad and a pencil … but, that is so 1950. Today, it’s military grade automatic weapons.
     
    Which has conveniently acted as disguise for a much bigger change. Those jovial unarmed bobbies back in the 1950s were on the side of the British people. The British police today are not on the side of the British people. They are on the side of the elites. Their job is to enforce conformity and crush dissent. They have become a political police force.

    Which is pretty much what has happened throughout the West. If you still think the police are your friends you haven't been paying attention.
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  180. Svigor says:

    I can only spare so much attention for comments alluding to the utter stupidity of others (given the implication that the commenter is a Giant Intellect by comparison), but yours seem to suggest that you went from believing everything to believing absolutely nothing

    On the contrary, Konspiracy Kookery seems to be a secular religion. It seems to substitute nicely in filling many of the needs served by traditional religion. Basically, Konspiracy Kooks seek to impose order on a chaotic universe by attributing everything to the will of omnipotent gov’t/institutions, instead of God’s. It all makes sense, if you’re one of the gnostic elect who can see. This is much more psychologically satisfying, to the religiously-minded, than the messy “nobody at the wheel” elements of reality the rational are left to cope with.

    They certainly seem prone to the same “all roads lead to God” thinking that religionists are; no matter what happens (patsy dead, patsy saved by medics), they have a (semi-)plausible explanation for how it shows the Hand of the great God Illuminati (God of a Thousand Names, more like).

    My problem with the Konspiracy Kooks is the same reason I have a problem buying mental illness as absolving people of culpability; I bet for every schizo who thinks he’s Hitler, there are 10k who think they are Jesus or Napoleon. Funny how even nuts can make the safe choice.

    I.e., there are quite a few “conspiracies” that are both much more obvious than the ones Konspiracy Kooks are always on about, AND much more hazardous to your health. And like the schizos, the Konspiracy Kooks seem very good at making the safer, but less correct, choice.

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    a typical know-it-all nobody, whose only response to very real conspiracies (not bbc-nyt 'theories') is to call names. but no 'reality theorist' yet has been able in the slightest degree to explain building 7, or the fact that buildings 1 and 2 fell at free-fall speed for that matter (for the 0.00065 percent out there with any inkling of science--this website somewhat excepted), just for the most basic beginnings. so go on, sport, EXPLAIN IT. no, no, of course we've already heard it a few dozen times. why, popular science magazine said so! so did the government official commission's report--why, it was just like giant blueberry pancakes! and building 7? what building 7? (it wasn't mentioned in THE REPORT) but (much later) we can't ignore it?? why, it was that little fire on the 5th floor that burned for three or four hours. has anyone bothered to watch the video of building 7's collapse? i remember emailing alexander cockburn at counterpunch these questions, but no response was ever forthcoming. he was just so clever. i of course was just a stupid nobody, only good for imbibing his crap-ass elite opinions on anything and everything.............
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  181. Svigor says:

    Some altruism lol….we are the only who have nuked, enslaved on such a large scale, and killed in such large numbers. And yeah such high IQs, we and our country are being ran by a clearly smarter group of minority Jews….I don’t see it Joe.

    Nonsense.

    Nukes: so what? Dead is dead. The dead do not care if they died by conventional bombs or by nukes, they’re the same thing. Optics are for the living.

    Enslaved: lies. The Romans were worse. The Muslims were worse (and still are). The Mongols were worse (they were so bad, they sold their own kids into slavery). The US enslaved no one, Black Africans did almost all of the enslaving. And many more of the enslaved went to other parts of the Americas, run by the Spaniards and the Portuguese. And many more of them died early deaths there, too.

    Killed: lies. The Soviets and commies in general killed far more, and their own people, to boot. The Rwandans gave us a run for our money, in a mere 100 days, using mostly machetes. The Mongols killed far more of their world’s population (7 to 9 percent, by the estimates I’ve read), far more than America could ever hope to rival.

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  182. Svigor says:

    Right let’s ignore the fact the Arab Christians have existed for centuries in many of these countries including present day Iraq and the head chopping didn’t start until we sent our boys into their regions to “liberate” them. And if there have been Christian missionaries who have had their asses handed to them in some of these countries, I’m pretty sure the track record of slaughter that they and their likes have left all over including the massacring of so many in the Western Hemisphere doesn’t exactly give these white crusaders for Christianity the best reputation.

    So, Muslim history of violence begins in the 1990′s, but the Christian history of violence begins in 1 AD? Is that your position?

    For the gallery: what’s the clinical term for hating your own kind? Is it born from hating yourself?

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  183. Talha says:
    @KenH

    It doesn’t. But these same extremists have killed and tortured more Muslims than non-Muslims – why would they treat Christians with kid gloves?
     
    You are conflating the two. Muslims are killing fellow Muslims who do not subscribe to their Salafist version of the faith. So ISIS is not trying to eradicate Islam, only those Muslims who won't swear loyalty to them. OTOH, what ISIS is doing to Christians and Yazidis constitutes naked aggression and murder against non-Islamic religious communities solely on the basis of religion.

    It's not as if things were hunky dory before ISIS. Christians came under attack almost from the moment of the 2003 invasion and attacks continued to intensify since Saddam's security services were no longer around to strike fear in the Islamists and restrain them.


    This doesn’t sound right. From what I’ve read, Muslims are lower on the totem pole than both European Christians and East Asians in terms of sanguinary history
     
    That all depends on the sources one chooses to consult. No doubt Europe's history has had periods of massive bloodshed up until 1945. But with the exception of the Thirty Years War most of the blood spilled was the result of nationalist rivalries and not religious zeal and intolerance and world wars I and II account for the lion's share.

    The death toll attributed to Stalin and Mao should have an asterisk since communism was a non-native, alien (Jewish) creed imported into those regions which set off a chain of events that claimed the lives of tens of millions.

    According to some sources Islam has claimed approximately 270 million lives since it burst onto the world scene in the 7th century:
    https://www.politicalislam.com/tears-of-jihad/
    If we assume this number is wildly inflated and lower it by 50% then 135 million deaths still places Islam near the top of the sanguinary history list.

    Before we digress too much, the central point is that Muslims are currently waging a one sided war against non-Muslims whether in Indonesia, Pakistan, Egypt, the Middle East and now Europe. Christians aren't destroying and desecrating mosques, killing and beheading imams, issuing death threats, beheading Muslims, pressing some of their women into prostitution and forcibly converting others.

    Sufists have also come under attack by Islamic fundamentalists in recent years and I guarantee you would probably be safer living among Christians, Buddhists and Hindus than some of your fellow co-religionists.

    Hey KenH,

    OTOH, what ISIS is doing to Christians and Yazidis constitutes naked aggression and murder against non-Islamic religious communities solely on the basis of religion.

    Yeah – that’s what extremists do – I mean they’re called extremists for a reason.

    Christians came under attack almost from the moment of the 2003 invasion

    Thanks for helping me make my point. The Christians are not under assault unless one turns relatively stable countries into free-fire zones – is this not obvious? Solution is clear – don’t do it.

    Worse thing to do in Jordan would be to depose the king in the foolish name of democracy:
    “In modern times, the Holy Land’s eastern bank provides a prophetic vision of the Middle East, where Christians and Muslims live together in harmony, building a civil society that upholds the rights and dignity of all. A powerful icon of Jordan’s integrated Christian-Muslim society is found in King Abdullah II, a direct descendent of the Prophet Muhammad, who has commissioned the building of 11 churches at the Baptismal Site of Jesus in Bethany Beyond the Jordan, which is revered by Christians and Muslims alike.”

    http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/how-christians-in-jordan-and-america-have-a-role-in-middle-east-peace

    According to some sources

    Sorry, I cannot take Bill Warner (a former physics professor) seriously. A guys who thinks he can (in English) simply summarize and mash together texts of variant hadith for the sake of brevity – a feat so profoundly stupid, no one in the history of Islam proposed anything like it in Arabic or any other language. As far as his sources, he uses the absolutely most high estimates and even then he makes the stuff up. For instance, he says; “A rough estimate by Raphael Moore in History of Asia Minor is that another 50 million died in wars by jihad.”

    This is a blatant lie. Here is what Rev. Raphael Moore actually had to say; he meticulously outlines the 3.5+ million Orthodox Christians killed by Muslims – they rest of the 50 million number has zero to do with Islam but rather the Communist purges in Russia and the Holdomor in Ukraine. See for yourself:

    http://www.serfes.org/orthodox/memoryof.htm

    And anybody who cites Koenard Elst’s book for a number of 80 million Hindu deaths has completely lost credibility with me, I refuted that nonsense a few months back (it basically depends on the one historian that estimated that population declined for years of Muslim rule – this is in contrast to every other academic estimate which estimate population to have grown) :

    http://www.unz.com/pbuchanan/is-islamic-terror-americas-future/?highlight=elst#comment-1461037

    http://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/the-sun-people-tsunami-and-the-inevitability-of-lifeboat-ethics/#comment-1703074

    Do your research please come back with more professional and academic sources if you want the largest blood libel in history to be placed at the feet of Muslims. Let’s not be lazy and post links to random Hindutva or Christian polemics websites – I’m willing to debate this, but I don’t feel like wasting my time.

    Before we digress too much, the central point is that Muslims are currently waging a one sided war against non-Muslims whether in Indonesia, Pakistan, Egypt, the Middle East and now Europe.

    Are you ****ing ****ing me??!! Fully armed navies and air forces have been moving between the East and the West and I can guarantee you they have only been moving in one direction. The boat people assaulting the shores of Europe are not like the boat people that land on Muslim shores – usually they are called Marines.

    Christians aren’t destroying and desecrating mosques, killing and beheading imams, issuing death threats, beheading Muslims

    They’ve destroyed plenty of mosques, they have blown up plenty of imams too, they even drone weddings and turn plenty of Muslim kids into hamburger. Are you seriously watching the score? Are you saying the piles of non-Muslim bodies in Europe over the last couple of decades comes even remotely close to the piles of bodies in the Muslim world? But that doesn’t count because lives lost trying to spread the imperial cult of democracy (which evidently far too many Christians believe in more strongly than their purported faith) are just part of the deal, ‘shock and awe’ and all that – lives lost with extremists spreading their cult version of religion – well, heavens to mergatroid!

    If people in Europe and the US are serious about wanting to stunt this madness they should encourage Muslims to keep to their traditional Islam (the one that has consistently denounced this behavior), not demand or support reformation (which is where all these extremist strains come from), and stop cozying up to our crazies.
    “A White House statement, issued Wednesday, said that Trump and Salman had directed their teams to find ways ‘to further strengthen and elevate the United States-Saudi strategic relationship’ on the political, military, security, economic, cultural and social fronts. ”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/josh-rogin/wp/2017/03/16/trump-resets-u-s-saudi-relations-in-saudi-arabias-favor/?utm_term=.79e011f1cf20

    We certainly have our work cut out trying to reduce the influence and spread of our extremists, no doubt about it – the actions of the West are not helping at all.

    pressing some of their women into prostitution and forcibly converting others

    This is true, Christians don’t seem to be doing this much.

    than some of your fellow co-religionists

    Totally agree.

    If you want to use ‘Muslim’ in general terms in the place whenever some minority extremists do nonsense, then can we use ‘Christian’ in place any political violence is committed by certain Christians?

    C’mon man let’s get real here.

    Peace.

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    Thanks for helping me make my point. The Christians are not under assault unless one turns relatively stable countries into free-fire zones – is this not obvious? Solution is clear – don’t do it.
     
    You completely missed the point. The Muslims attacking the Christians in Iraq have always wanted to harm Christians but were prevented from doing so by Saddam's murderous security services who protected religious minorities. The invasion led to a breakdown of order and facilitated the violence against Christians.

    An analogy would be Muslims living in America and Europe. There are groups who don't like them or appreciate their presence and would like to do something about it but fear of the police state is stopping them. If there is war or economic collapse and the police state apparatuses break down then Muslims will have nobody protecting them and will be forced to fend for themselves. Since they are a small minority they could find themselves on the receiving end of what they dole out to non-Muslim minorities in some Muslim majority nations.


    Worse thing to do in Jordan would be to depose the king in the foolish name of democracy:
     
    I couldn't agree more and King Abdullah of Jordan is a magnanimous and capable leader. But he, too, employs security services to keep the Islamists in Jordan's realm in check. There will always be Muslims who wish to do harm to non-Muslims when the conditions present themselves as in Iraq and Syria. Godspeed to King Abdullah.

    Sorry, I cannot take Bill Warner (a former physics professor) seriously. A guys who thinks he can (in English) simply summarize and mash together texts of variant hadith for the sake of brevity – a feat so profoundly stupid,
     
    That's your choice and since he doesn't say Islam is the greatest, most peaceful religion ever I figured you'd have a coronary. His application of the scientific method to understanding Islam is unique and events keep proving him right. No source is unassailable including you and yours. Where I take issue with Warner is his belief that Jews have always been the victims in their relations with Muslims.

    And anybody who cites Koenard Elst’s book for a number of 80 million Hindu deaths has completely lost credibility with me, I refuted that nonsense a few months back (it basically depends on the one historian that estimated that population declined for years of Muslim rule – this is in contrast to every other academic estimate which estimate population to have grown) :
     
    On the link you provided you reference an Indian historian named K.S. Lal whom Elst used to base his estimates. Otherwise, you provided no contrary evidence for Lal's estimates that India's population fell from 200 million to 125 million between 1000 AD and 1500 AD mainly as the result of the Muslim conquest. I have no problem conceding that the estimated 75-80 million can't conclusively and definitively be laid at the door of the Muslim conquest due to apparent lack of adequate sources (Muslims didn't always preserve non-Islamic sources). If you were paying attention I cut the number in half due to this lack of conclusiveness. But being a highly partisan Muslim it seems you are doing everything possible to reduce the number to the lowest one possible.

    However, Lal noted that while the population of India (presumably meaning Hindus) rose and fell between 1000 and 1800, curiously the Muslim population only increased. I'm sure that's no coincidence.

    Regarding your claim that some or many Hindus enthusiastically converted, this seems to be fallacious. He mentions that Hindu beggars would be inclined to covert if Muslims gave them food or that butchers would convert since it would be good for business (obviously since Hindus don't eat meat). This is conversion by personal circumstance and not because they discovered the supposed beauty and truths of the Islamic faith. But you conveniently left out a critical piece from Lal's analysis when he says:

    "Had the common, poor, unsophisticated sections of the lower classes been left to themselves, they might have been contented with their local forms of devotion and folk culture".

    Since this is getting long I'll respond to the rest of your comments in another post.

    , @KenH

    Do your research please come back with more professional and academic sources if you want the largest blood libel in history to be placed at the feet of Muslims. Let’s not be lazy and post links to random Hindutva or Christian polemics websites – I’m willing to debate this, but I don’t feel like wasting my time.
     
    Excuse me? A couple of your links purporting to show that Europe has had the bloodiest history in the world weren't exactly highly clinical and academic treatments of the issue. The claim of 66 million deaths in WWII is false as the commonly accepted figure is approx. 50 million which should be reduced to 44-45 million when you subtract the dubious claims of six million Jewish deaths. Even though WWII was an unprecedented bloodbath I still think that number is a bit too high.

    The difference in this case is that Europeans have killed mostly each other and not Muslims. Tamerlane/Timur, the self styled "Sword of Islam" responsible for 17 million deaths killed mostly non-Muslims. Why didn't Islamic dogma make him peaceful and tolerant? Can you name any Christian or Buddhist leader from the past who's responsible for killing millions of Muslims?


    Are you ****ing ****ing me??!! Fully armed navies and air forces have been moving between the East and the West and I can guarantee you they have only been moving in one direction. The boat people assaulting the shores of Europe are not like the boat people that land on Muslim shores – usually they are called Marines.
     
    No need to be obtuse. Iraq or any Muslim nation is no longer being overwhelmed by U.S. marines and the marines' objective wasn't and isn't to promote Christianity at the expense of Islam. The primary cause of Muslim deaths the last several years at least if not more has been.....other Muslims.

    I'll make this easy for you. Can you provide documentary evidence where indigenous Christian communities in Egypt, Iraq, Syria, Pakistan, Europe or America are persecuting, kidnapping, killing, raping or destroying the property of Muslims?


    They’ve destroyed plenty of mosques, they have blown up plenty of imams too, they even drone weddings and turn plenty of Muslim kids into hamburger. Are you seriously watching the score? Are you saying the piles of non-Muslim bodies in Europe over the last couple of decades comes even remotely close to the piles of bodies in the Muslim world?
     
    There were mosques being used to store weapons and stage attacks, so yes, some of those got destroyed. So Muslim armies, invading or otherwise, wouldn't destroy Christian churches or Buddhist temples that were being used to stage violent attacks on them? How do you think the Muslim Turks would react given their bloody history? Aren't some or more than some of these "Muslim bodies" those of the extremists whom you say you decry and therefore aren't truly Muslim? So why shed any tears for them?

    ISIS has destroyed a few Sunni mosques and some Shiite mosques. Is that less objectionable because the destroyers are Muslim?

    How come Muslim terrorists and extremists are "Muslims" (i.e., not truly Muslim) but that any Muslim killed by a Western drone strike, bomb, or other method, even if an extremist or friendly to the extremist cause is a Muslim worthy of the world's sorrow? You're trying to have your cake and eat it, too.


    If people in Europe and the US are serious about wanting to stunt this madness they should encourage Muslims to keep to their traditional Islam (the one that has consistently denounced this behavior), not demand or support reformation (which is where all these extremist strains come from),
     
    That's debatable. ISIS caliph Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi holds a Phd in Islamic theology and says his version is the true and "traditional" form. Spare me the retort about Islamic scholars who disagree with him. Might makes right and the scholars who disagree are losing badly. Do your credentials rival Al Baghdadi's?

    There is no clear consensus in the Muslim world as to what "traditional Islam" is or means anyway, so the West should simply bar them from entering their nations. Muslims have proven largely antagonistic and unassimilable to their gracious Western hosts. And yes, the West should stop meddling in the affairs of Muslim nations and allow them to resolve their own issues in their own ways.


    We certainly have our work cut out trying to reduce the influence and spread of our extremists, no doubt about it – the actions of the West are not helping at all.
     
    We finally see eye to eye on something.

    If you want to use ‘Muslim’ in general terms in the place whenever some minority extremists do nonsense, then can we use ‘Christian’ in place any political violence is committed by certain Christians?

    C’mon man let’s get real here.
     

    Yes, let's. See my answer above. You arbitrarily excommunicate Muslim extremists from the umma but when those same Muslims or their supporters perish at the hands of U.S. military action then they become Muslim in the general sense so you can guilt trip the West. If you are convinced that "Christians" presumably in the form of the U.S. military have killed Muslims in the name of religion then please provide sources where generals and troops have cited Biblical scripture as a legal and moral framework for the invasion and acts of violence that followed.

    With few exception, the U.S. military serves as proxy for the state of Israel in the Middle East.

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  184. Paul C. says:
    @NoseytheDuke
    Agreed. This latest attack in London appears to be a genuine case of vengeance rather than a false-flag of any kind. The police didn't seem to have name, address and pictures ready within minutes as they normally do but seemed to require a little time to actually investigate.

    Kick a hornets nest and one can expect a few painful stings. These events do serve a purpose for some though, those who would impose a police-state will enjoy the luxury of doing so with the full permission of the masses.

    322 is the symbolic Skull and Bones Freemasonry numerals. On 3/22 2016 we had the Brussels terrorist event. Now on 3/22 2017 we have the London event. I’d categorize this as a hoax vs. a false flag as likely no one died. But the Police state grows as a result. They’re perpetrating a massive war between Christians and Muslims. Just read the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7xrTJ9W4AAGOmn.jpg:large

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    Thanks Paul, I have read The Protocols, a work of evil genius, and only yesterday posted on another thread that it is strange that something that is declared to be a hoax is actually being followed to the letter and should be clear to all.
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  185. @Svigor

    I can only spare so much attention for comments alluding to the utter stupidity of others (given the implication that the commenter is a Giant Intellect by comparison), but yours seem to suggest that you went from believing everything to believing absolutely nothing
     
    On the contrary, Konspiracy Kookery seems to be a secular religion. It seems to substitute nicely in filling many of the needs served by traditional religion. Basically, Konspiracy Kooks seek to impose order on a chaotic universe by attributing everything to the will of omnipotent gov't/institutions, instead of God's. It all makes sense, if you're one of the gnostic elect who can see. This is much more psychologically satisfying, to the religiously-minded, than the messy "nobody at the wheel" elements of reality the rational are left to cope with.

    They certainly seem prone to the same "all roads lead to God" thinking that religionists are; no matter what happens (patsy dead, patsy saved by medics), they have a (semi-)plausible explanation for how it shows the Hand of the great God Illuminati (God of a Thousand Names, more like).

    My problem with the Konspiracy Kooks is the same reason I have a problem buying mental illness as absolving people of culpability; I bet for every schizo who thinks he's Hitler, there are 10k who think they are Jesus or Napoleon. Funny how even nuts can make the safe choice.

    I.e., there are quite a few "conspiracies" that are both much more obvious than the ones Konspiracy Kooks are always on about, AND much more hazardous to your health. And like the schizos, the Konspiracy Kooks seem very good at making the safer, but less correct, choice.

    a typical know-it-all nobody, whose only response to very real conspiracies (not bbc-nyt ‘theories’) is to call names. but no ‘reality theorist’ yet has been able in the slightest degree to explain building 7, or the fact that buildings 1 and 2 fell at free-fall speed for that matter (for the 0.00065 percent out there with any inkling of science–this website somewhat excepted), just for the most basic beginnings. so go on, sport, EXPLAIN IT. no, no, of course we’ve already heard it a few dozen times. why, popular science magazine said so! so did the government official commission’s report–why, it was just like giant blueberry pancakes! and building 7? what building 7? (it wasn’t mentioned in THE REPORT) but (much later) we can’t ignore it?? why, it was that little fire on the 5th floor that burned for three or four hours. has anyone bothered to watch the video of building 7′s collapse? i remember emailing alexander cockburn at counterpunch these questions, but no response was ever forthcoming. he was just so clever. i of course was just a stupid nobody, only good for imbibing his crap-ass elite opinions on anything and everything………….

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  186. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Anon-og
    Christian nations are waging war on Muslim countries and the numbers killed on behalf of these NATO nations make any numbers coming from Muslim extremists pale in comparison. 50% of a bogus number in this case is still a bogus number, nothing remotely comes close to the millions killed in the short span time that was WW1 and WW2, and thats not getting into what Christians have done in the Western Hemisphere since 1492. Christians and other groups in the Middle East had to exist there in the first place for the current attack on them to take place, so this was not status quo. And if it's about Sadam keeping the Peace, why the fuck were the benevolent Christians from America sent there to kill him in the first place....bottom line is the bullshit didn't kick off until we sent our boys there to start the drama and no bending of history changes the obvious reality. White Americans don't give a shit about Christians unless they look like them so please refrain from trying to judge communities who have played peaceful host to those people for centuries while Europeans have been slaughtering for centuries now.

    please refrain from trying to judge communities who have played peaceful host to those people for centuries

    they weren’t peaceful hosts – they invaded and conquered them

    while Europeans have been slaughtering for centuries now.

    All those pretty towns in southern Europe built on hilltops were built to defend against Arab slave raids.

    The Christian tax in the Turkish controlled parts of SE Europe was the oldest male child as a slave.

    Islam is not unique in any of this of course but your 100% double standard on the imperialism thing proves your motivation is anti-white or anti-Christian, not anti-imperialism.

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  187. dfordoom says: • Website
    @TheJester
    James, you know the acceptable schtick for things like this throughout the Western world and especially in Europe: "Move on, very few dead, nothing to see here. Diversity is our strength! Islam is a religion of peace! Allah Akbar!"

    I know, before things changed, the police in Britain and its empire had a long tradition of keeping the peace with nothing but a notepad and a pencil ... but, that is so 1950. Today, it's military grade automatic weapons. Indeed, a large number of people in the United States believe that the citizenry should be armed with military grade automatic weapons for personal defense. Yes, it's that bad ... and it's that bad in almost every country that considers itself part of Western Civilization.

    Where did it all go wrong?

    At least we in the United States have the First Amendment (Free Speach) and Second Amendment (the Right to Bear Arms) to our Constitution ... and we have Trump. If Britain and the rest of Europe have any hope for saving itself, it should follow our example.

    I know, before things changed, the police in Britain and its empire had a long tradition of keeping the peace with nothing but a notepad and a pencil … but, that is so 1950. Today, it’s military grade automatic weapons.

    Which has conveniently acted as disguise for a much bigger change. Those jovial unarmed bobbies back in the 1950s were on the side of the British people. The British police today are not on the side of the British people. They are on the side of the elites. Their job is to enforce conformity and crush dissent. They have become a political police force.

    Which is pretty much what has happened throughout the West. If you still think the police are your friends you haven’t been paying attention.

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    Just as much on the side of the elites in the 1950s as now. There was no serious challenge of any kind on the horizon, the welfare state was being established etc. Significantly the police began to be more militarised under Thatcher, who could tell there would be trouble on the horizon because she planned to cause much of it.
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  188. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Anon-og
    If IQ is so set in stone than you must be an exception to your race because your supposed higher intelligence is not reflecting here Joe. The low iq Paki Talha is exposing your inferiority complex and no amount of yapping about high IQ can disguise it, in fact, just makes you look like you're bitter.

    If IQ is so set in stone

    IQ isn’t set in stone.

    It’s the product of the frequency of specific genes in particular populations or individuals.

    That’s how it can change over generations but only over generations.

    That’s why if anyone genuinely wanted to close the black-white gap the only way to do it is change gene frequencies.

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  189. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Anon-og
    Some altruism lol....we are the only who have nuked, enslaved on such a large scale, and killed in such large numbers. And yeah such high IQs, we and our country are being ran by a clearly smarter group of minority Jews....I don't see it Joe.

    we are the only who have nuked, enslaved on such a large scale, and killed in such large numbers.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasions_and_conquests

    “Mike”, as you’re so anti-empire how do you feel about the Mughal empire?

    Was that an exception to the rule?

    Some altruism lol….

    the first effect of a widening circle of sympathy is greater cohesion among a larger group – great for war

    it’s only when the circle becomes too wide for the current environment that it makes people soft

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  190. @Anatoly Karlin
    It's pretty ridiculous to assume that cui bono applies to everything, least of all to people who are looking at martyrdom/death or life in prison upon doing their deed, but okay, let's for a moment entertain that its a legitimate way of looking at things.

    Since the rise of Islamic terrorism, Muslims haven't been expelled from the West, nor had their rights infringed upon to any significant extent.

    To the contrary, Western elites have been ingratiating themsleves with Muslim communities, at the expense of free speech. For instance, just today, Canada passed a motion against Islamophobia.

    I don't know if Islamic terrorism has benefitted Muslim communities in the West, but it sure hasn't hurt them.

    It’s pretty ridiculous to assume that cui bono applies to everything,

    Well, that’s just a straw man. All I said was that “cui bono”, asking who benefits from an event, was the logical starting point in one’s analysis, that’s all.

    least of all to people who are looking at martyrdom/death or life in prison upon doing their deed,

    Uhh, yeah, right… Look, Karlin, a very basic rule of logical discourse is that you cannot use the proposition under dispute to prove the proposition under dispute. That’s called the “Beg the Question Fallacy”. What you’re doing is simply assuming that the synthetic narrative we’re being offered is true in order to prove that self-same synthetic narrative.

    The fact of the matter is that we have all these events and the alleged perpetrators, who are almost certainly patsies of some sort, they’re typically dead at the end of it and they can say anything about these people you want. “They were seeking martyrdom blah blah blah.” Okay, maybe, but maybe not. Like, take the Boston Marathon thing. My guess on the Tsarnaev brothers is that whoever was handling them told them to go to such and such place and participate in a drill and next thing you know… But I could be wrong too, how is one to know… the older brother is dead, of course. Another guy, a friend who knew too much, was killed. The younger brother, who was supposed to be killed but survived, is due to get executed and I don’t suppose anybody can really talk to him and get his version. It’s all a stitch-up. Anybody can look at this and see that. This thing in London is recent, so we don’t know as much, but you can bet anything that, as more details emerge, it will be clear to anybody who is awake that this is another one of these synthetic events.

    But anyway, even aside from the blatant resort to question-begging, you’re evading the main point here, which is that cui bono, i.e. asking who benefits, really refers to the political organization or movement that is allegedly behind these terrorist acts — i.e. Al Qaeda or ISIS or whatever they’re calling it now. So, for example, the idea is that there is some political movement in the Middle East that wants to kill some pansies in a bar in Orlando, Florida. Somehow they “claimed responsibility”. Presumably, these people have a press secretary or something, analogous to the White House press secretary. It’s all bullshit…

    But okay, WTF…. they claimed responsibility. So it’s like…

    “Praise be Allah! Yes, we killed the queers in the bar! Yes, they deserved to die and we hope they burn in hell!”

    The first of the four articles I wrote on this site discusses this sort of thing in some excruciating detail. Basically, people like you, when presented with something totally laughable like that, basically a comic book, what I called Roger Rabbit narrative, you don’t see any problem with it. If somebody points out to you that this is basically a cartoon, you get all sneering and arrogant because your inability to see through a cartoon narrative somehow shows how bloody smart you are.

    Except it doesn’t, Karlin. It shows how bloody stupid you are! Or really, actually, it’s this sort of desperate need to delude oneself, it’s just pathetic…

    You know, one thing that amazes me is how often they stage these things in airports. It used to always be in an actual airplane — shoe bomber, underwear bomber… — but now they stage them at the airport. Given all the security at an airport at this point, surely it’s the last place any real terrorist (assuming there are any) would attack, right? I mean, think about it. I know your brain is a rather atrophied organ but try to think about it.

    So much of this is just such absurd shit.

    I don’t know if Islamic terrorism has benefitted Muslim communities in the West, but it sure hasn’t hurt them.

    Hmm, this reminds me of the Zionist hasbara, where they tell you that Israel isn’t oppressing the Palestinians and then they outline (more or less correctly) the situation of the Palestinians in Israel proper, who are Israeli citizens and have their rights largely, can vote etc. The problem is that that’s the relatively privileged group of maybe a million Palestinians who are Israeli citizen. Then there are various other millions in the occupied territories, West Bank and Gaza, who have next to no rights, and are basically living in a large open-air prison.

    So they present the relatively privileged group and talk about that as if it’s the whole situation. So, similarly, you’re talking about Muslim minorities in the Western countries, where the people largely have citizenship and so on and constitutional guarantees, and then just sort of ignoring all the wars in various Muslim countries — this massive arc of destruction, Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Libya, Syria… the enabling event for all of this was 9/11 basically. And the rest of the synthetic terrorism narrative.

    Now, I would say that, even for the privileged Muslims in Western countries, it’s not a complete bowl of cherries. They are under very real psychological pressure, having their culture and religion constantly demonized via all these false flags and hoaxes. But obviously, the real issue is all the wars that were enabled in the various Muslim countries.

    Well, I have enough prior experience in dialogue with you to realize that you are quite a dishonest person. An honest person wouldn’t make the kinds of arguments you’re making here. Okay, you are also pretty stupid and they say never to attribute to malice that which can be attributed to incompetence. But no, you’re not quite that stupid. So it’s mostly just dishonesty. These are very intellectually dishonest arguments. I feel I have some duty to respond, but it’s really kind of nauseating to talk to somebody this slimy and dishonest.

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  191. @utu
    Com on, Karlin! You are young. You disappointed me again. Don't settle for it what you too often demonstrate here at unz pages. Expand. Open your mind. You still have a shot to transcend this obrazovanshchina mentality and imagination of the merely educated. Do you want to end up like John Derbyshire, Charles Murray or the author of this note? Their meager sinecures are not worthy of your soul. Aspire for more.

    this obrazovanshchina mentality

    Hmm, that’s interesting. I looked that up and quickly found it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obrazovanshchina

    Maybe it’s not exactly the same thing, but it is pretty strongly related to the HIQI concept that I outlined in my first article. Karlin is sort of an archetypal HIQI.

    Did you see my run-in with him from about a month ago?

    http://www.unz.com/akarlin/great-twitter-purge/#comment-1783674

    Properly understood, the whole situation is hilarious. The little obrazovanshchina shithead there writes an article about how Twitter is banning the various politically incorrect alt-right types, shutting down their accounts. So obviously, Karlin is presenting himself as the defender of free speech, right?

    Then somehow the discussion develops regarding the Nazi holocaust and he says he’s going to delete all such threads now. He doesn’t see any contradiction in his position as this defender of free speech.

    Moreover, his understanding of the world is so limited that he really doesn’t understand that the people who want to kick the alt-right people off of Twitter are, of course, the very same people who want to prohibit any intellectually honest discussion of WW2, and especially the Holocaust! He apparently hasn’t connected the dots on that.

    But anyway, I replied, pointing out the obvious, which is that surely he doesn’t himself know anything about the subject of Holocaust revisionism.

    http://www.unz.com/akarlin/great-twitter-purge/#comment-1791821

    And then he promptly banned me. I guess he didn’t have much choice, because I was well set to shove my foot up his ass in any ensuing debate, because obviously, my conjecture was correct. He doesn’t know anything about the topic. He knows nothing about holocaust revisionism, just as he knows nothing about the synthetic terrorism topic. And in both cases, when he discusses these things, he’s basically engaging in intellectual fraud.

    Their meager sinecures are not worthy of your soul.

    Utu, I suspect you’re attributing more “soul” (русская душа?) to this guy than what he possesses. You’re right that he’s pretty young and obviously quite immature (both emotionally and intellectually) but there is this problem that he is horrendously dishonest. Like, look at when he bans me from commenting on his blog. He claims that he is doing so because of my “incessant trolling”. Actually, I was flabbergasted by that because I usually don’t even read his articles, much less comment on them! I actually looked back and counted and I had written something like five comments under his blog in the previous twelve months!

    Five comments in a year. That was my incessant trolling…

    Well, he was just lying. But my God, to lie in that kind of absurd way. Struck me as a tad pathological.

    So he might outgrow some of his frightfully childish aspects, but somehow, I doubt he’ll outgrow the dishonesty. Well, only time will tell, eh?

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    Karlin is one of the IQers. This' is his chief identity in blogosphere. Ask the question cui bono about the IQ "research" and you will understand why Derbyrhires, Murrays, Thompsons , Karlins and Sailers exhibit (though some pretend it) childlike innocence and gullibility when it comes to the current political discourse, why they are so main stream? Why they won't touch certain subjects? The affirmation of the socio-political reality is what you are left with when you immerse yourself into the IQ "research." It is the cement that petrifies the de facto cast system of the current socio-political reality. What is the most ironic about it that all of them think (or pretend to) they are brave rebels who want to shake the system because they speak the unwanted truth. They even are "persecuted." This is just a part of the deal of being legitimized, having a legend written for the future agents of influence. Karlin is young and stupid so he can still save himself. And he is Russian so he has a rich alternative culture to draw from instead being sucked up into something what he doesn't understand. This game is being played by big guys and he has no clue what is their true objective. But if he won't cease it won't be the first case of a nice Russian boy turning out to be a pasty in some Anglo-Zio scheme.

    You may go further and ask yourself a question why the pathetic work of Spearman was dusted off in 1980 and carried out by Jensen... Where did the money come from? Who is funding it? Who Launched Charles Murray book and who provided nice sinecure for him in the right wing neocon think-tank? Was Murray recruited by CIA when he was in Thailand prior to going to Harvard?
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  192. What are your views on the Iranian Hostage Crisis and Iran Contra?

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  193. @daniel le mouche
    thanks nosey, of course, a repulsive 'ozzy' spewing forth, how'd i not guess?

    Not very perceptive. Nosey, back from the Sahara, is asserting his own primacy in claims to Australianness, so your reply is insulting to him. But that you don’t care about wasting people’s time with sloppy thoughtless blather has become instantly apparent. Why not adopt a literate moniker and start again? That, you should observe, is a charitable suggestion.

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    yes, wizzy, literate like the wizard of oz. can't you think of some original australian name and leave kansas alone? perhaps 'lobster-red, unoriginal, humorless genocidal ex-convicts'? i truly can think of only a couple of australians that i actually liked. what is it about you people? i think it's your englishness, and not only that butbeing of the rottennest scum of that horrific nation. what a cocky bunch of pricks! but please do, if you feel the need, keep condescending and offering such helpful, indeed charitable, suggestions.
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  194. @NoseytheDuke
    Wiz is one of those Australians who wishes he was British and supports a foreign monarch on the other side of the world as his head of state. A truly tragic case.

    The typos are likely the result of using his phone though that doesn't explain his convoluted sentence structure.

    Glad you’re back safe and sober. But wrong. I voted for the Republic. Did you, or were you o/s and couldn’t be bothered with a postal vote?

    BTW beware getting tangled with JR or you’ll be off in a strait jacket.

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    JR is far from crazy but he certainly doesn't suffer fools gladly. I think his contributions here at Unz have been valuable, he did coin the term HIQI, but then since I have used that to describe you I can understand why you may harbour bruised feelings towards him.

    I thought you were a monarchist so thank you for setting me straight, please accept my sincere apologies. I would add humble apologies but nobody is going to buy my humility, not even you. Cheers.
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  195. @utu
    Com on, Karlin! You are young. You disappointed me again. Don't settle for it what you too often demonstrate here at unz pages. Expand. Open your mind. You still have a shot to transcend this obrazovanshchina mentality and imagination of the merely educated. Do you want to end up like John Derbyshire, Charles Murray or the author of this note? Their meager sinecures are not worthy of your soul. Aspire for more.

    Do I detect a light touch of modesty here? (In “this note”)

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    Absolutely. Modesty is my greatest vice.
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  196. @Jonathan Revusky

    This latest attack in London appears to be a genuine case of vengeance rather than a false-flag of any kind.
     
    Nosey, I'm pretty certain that you're wrong about this. This is surely yet another synthetic event brought to us by the wonderful folks who brought us all the previous synthetic events.

    The thing is that it's fairly recent, but I anticipate that within a certain period of time, a lot of details will seep out such that this will become obvious -- at least, you know, to the people who are awake, paying attention.

    You see, the thing is that these are all synthetic events. You have the idea that it's a mix, that some of these events are real, organically occurring events, and others are synthetic, but no, if you seriously think about it, you realize that they all must be synthetic basically.

    You see, look at it from the point of view of the people behind these things. When you have a synthetic event, you completely control the narrative. The grieving relatives and witnesses are typically crisis actors and you control all the talking points. If you have a real grieving person who lost a son or a spouse or something, you can't really control what that person is going to say when they're in front a camera.

    They control the narrative on these things and the only way to do that is for the events to always be synthetic.

    You may well be correct, I stated what I did due to the perp not being ID’d immediately but I concede that proves nothing. As you and Amanda have said, given the fact that ANY of these terror events have been artificial in the past, and they clearly have, then it would be prudent to assume that they all are fake until proven otherwise.

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  197. Greetings,

    Like your article very much. roguedinosaur.com Thanks for it.

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  198. @Paul C.
    322 is the symbolic Skull and Bones Freemasonry numerals. On 3/22 2016 we had the Brussels terrorist event. Now on 3/22 2017 we have the London event. I'd categorize this as a hoax vs. a false flag as likely no one died. But the Police state grows as a result. They're perpetrating a massive war between Christians and Muslims. Just read the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7xrTJ9W4AAGOmn.jpg:large

    Thanks Paul, I have read The Protocols, a work of evil genius, and only yesterday posted on another thread that it is strange that something that is declared to be a hoax is actually being followed to the letter and should be clear to all.

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  199. Svigor says:

    a typical know-it-all nobody,

    A very accurate description, kudos. I kinda trailed off reading the subject-changing, though. Your arguments remind me of a possibly-unnamed fallacy, “blinding with science.” To paraphrase Dr. Venkmann: “Ray, pretend I don’t know anything about physics, or chemistry, or metallurgy, and just explain to me what the Hell is going on.” If you need to talk about it at the grad school level, then your evidence is pretty esoteric. I have no idea what made the other building come down. That doesn’t mean I’m going to buy into “the Muslims didn’t do it!” I’m going to have to buy somebody’s story, and between the Konspiracy Kooks and the Talking Heads, I’ll go with the talking heads (and the preponderance of the evidence).

    (There’s clearly little in the way of penalty for Konspiracy Kooking over 9/11; why haven’t scientists in relevant fields signed on to Konspiracy Kookery en masse, if the science is so obvious to the qualified?)

    Maybe if Osama had blamed the West, instead of taking credit for 10+ years, I’d feel differently.

    Talk to me about race-replacement; anyone can see it, it’s right in front of our noses, but Konspiracy Kooks prefer faked Moon landings.

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    here's a third grade description of free fall speed. go to the top of, say, the empire state building, and at the same time drop a bowling ball and a penny. they will land at exactly the same time (that is, weight makes no difference--you could use a feather and bowling ball and it would still hold true provided there was no drag from the air, ie in a vacuum). which is around nine seconds. as i remembered that rule from high school physics class, when i read that the twin towers came down at free fall speed i said, impossible. and it is. that is, without literally ZERO resistance, ie no floors smacking into each other.
    as for other conspiracies, i don't know for sure but am suspicious, and see no reason not to think race replacement fits in perfectly with all the other grand plans in store for us.
    i gave up ages ago trying to convince anyone who's dead set against it that the government blew up all three buildings of the wtc. somehow logic doesn't work on people who have the slightest respect for the talking heads. i understand how that feels, i always did too till about 2004. they're extremely convincing, and are not masters of propaganda for nothing. something like 911 just scratches the surface of what they're capable of. you should also look at all the other so-called terrorist attacks since then (not that you'll believe it) and try to consider that it's all made up. but you, like most everyone, are dazed and confused yet feel you're not as, of course, you saw it yourself on tv.
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  200. joe webb says:

    here is a useful thought exercise: white men and white women. We are supposed to be equal.
    And after at about a century now of Liberated Women, what have they contributed? not much, but they bitch and moan. They claim to be more spiritual than men, yet the Great Literature in the West is 98% written by men. Couple female greats, like Dickinson maybe, the bronte sisters, Janc Austin, and so on (oh, but she was supported by black slavery in the Caribbean…say the resenters) and so on.

    Women can and do write volumes on their enslavement by men. That is about all they can do. Then along come the Tellas, or whatever his name is, who bitch and moan. I just reread Edward Said’s Orientalism. He bitches and moans and admits that all his Proof is to be had in anti-orientalist writing. ALL. No mention of other books that cover the same ground.

    Then the muzzies complain, like the blacks complain, and the reconquista aztec cannibals complain. and on and on.

    Got news for you complainers…White men are the toughest and smartest soldiers and we are going to kick your asses all the way home, with our liberal girlie-men sent along for you to rape. Yes, we have been killers and conquerers, and inventors of almost everything, and adventurers like extreme sports, which is 100 % white men. Real men, Vikings, and other White killers who know an enemy from a friend. Get out while you can. Words are almost over.

    Joe Webb

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    unfortunately, joe, you are perhaps right. like everyone else in america, i (all immigrant stock) had to deal with you anglo motherfuckers my whole life. give me celtic humor, pizza, a nice bottle of red, some opera and catholicism!!
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  201. Svigor says:

    P.S., I have probably read most of the Konspiracy Kookery on 9/11, right here on Unz, at some point or another. A lot of stuff. The “blinding with science” stuff is the ONLY stuff I couldn’t rule out as complete horseshit. That’d be quite the coincidence, if the only stuff that turned out to not be horseshit, turned out to be the stuff I couldn’t judge one way or another, because I don’t have degrees in the relevant hard sciences, no?

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    I have probably read most of the Konspiracy Kookery on 9/11, right here on Unz, at some point or another. A lot of stuff.
     
    Okay, fine. So you've concluded that the official story on 9/11 is true and, in fact, is so obviously true that anybody who doubts it is a "Konspiracy Kook".

    So there must be overwhelming evidence for the official story, no? You must believe that, it seems. I am really curious what you think that overwhelming evidence is.

    In particular, what is the strongest available evidence, in your opinion, that the attacks of 9/11 were orchestrated by a religious fanatic in Aghanistan by the name of Osama Bin Laden?
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  202. @dc.sunsets
    While the article you linked raises questions, the author seems inexplicably unaware that London is one of the most video-camera saturated places on Earth.

    No doubt there are a dozen cameras that contain video of the SUV traveling toward its destination. That their recordings are not widely disseminated is the question the author should have asked.

    I have another question, seemingly not overwhelmingly important ANYWHERE.
    Was this Masood man a terrorist or a scumbag psychotic ?
    At this point it’s not clear either way: late convert to Islam, spent # of years in Saudi (born in UK) , long history of petty crimes & assaults. Family man, quiet, gardener, neighbour said was OK, some kind of intelligence investigation years ago — found to be “low risk”. No known “network” – but 10 or so associates being held for aid/abet .
    Reminds me of the cretin in Sydney, who held hostages in a chocolate shop. He invented connection to ISIS (or who ever) to give his pathetic vicious antics some “meaning”. Terrorist ? Or major dead-Shit ?

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    what do you get for jihad?

    atonement for sins and a VIP ticket to heaven
    , @dfordoom

    Was this Masood man a terrorist or a scumbag psychotic ?
     
    Underlying psychosis or paranoia combined with cannabis use might well explain it.
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  203. utu says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    this obrazovanshchina mentality
     
    Hmm, that's interesting. I looked that up and quickly found it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obrazovanshchina

    Maybe it's not exactly the same thing, but it is pretty strongly related to the HIQI concept that I outlined in my first article. Karlin is sort of an archetypal HIQI.

    Did you see my run-in with him from about a month ago?

    http://www.unz.com/akarlin/great-twitter-purge/#comment-1783674

    Properly understood, the whole situation is hilarious. The little obrazovanshchina shithead there writes an article about how Twitter is banning the various politically incorrect alt-right types, shutting down their accounts. So obviously, Karlin is presenting himself as the defender of free speech, right?

    Then somehow the discussion develops regarding the Nazi holocaust and he says he's going to delete all such threads now. He doesn't see any contradiction in his position as this defender of free speech.

    Moreover, his understanding of the world is so limited that he really doesn't understand that the people who want to kick the alt-right people off of Twitter are, of course, the very same people who want to prohibit any intellectually honest discussion of WW2, and especially the Holocaust! He apparently hasn't connected the dots on that.

    But anyway, I replied, pointing out the obvious, which is that surely he doesn't himself know anything about the subject of Holocaust revisionism.

    http://www.unz.com/akarlin/great-twitter-purge/#comment-1791821

    And then he promptly banned me. I guess he didn't have much choice, because I was well set to shove my foot up his ass in any ensuing debate, because obviously, my conjecture was correct. He doesn't know anything about the topic. He knows nothing about holocaust revisionism, just as he knows nothing about the synthetic terrorism topic. And in both cases, when he discusses these things, he's basically engaging in intellectual fraud.


    Their meager sinecures are not worthy of your soul.
     
    Utu, I suspect you're attributing more "soul" (русская душа?) to this guy than what he possesses. You're right that he's pretty young and obviously quite immature (both emotionally and intellectually) but there is this problem that he is horrendously dishonest. Like, look at when he bans me from commenting on his blog. He claims that he is doing so because of my "incessant trolling". Actually, I was flabbergasted by that because I usually don't even read his articles, much less comment on them! I actually looked back and counted and I had written something like five comments under his blog in the previous twelve months!

    Five comments in a year. That was my incessant trolling...

    Well, he was just lying. But my God, to lie in that kind of absurd way. Struck me as a tad pathological.

    So he might outgrow some of his frightfully childish aspects, but somehow, I doubt he'll outgrow the dishonesty. Well, only time will tell, eh?

    Karlin is one of the IQers. This’ is his chief identity in blogosphere. Ask the question cui bono about the IQ “research” and you will understand why Derbyrhires, Murrays, Thompsons , Karlins and Sailers exhibit (though some pretend it) childlike innocence and gullibility when it comes to the current political discourse, why they are so main stream? Why they won’t touch certain subjects? The affirmation of the socio-political reality is what you are left with when you immerse yourself into the IQ “research.” It is the cement that petrifies the de facto cast system of the current socio-political reality. What is the most ironic about it that all of them think (or pretend to) they are brave rebels who want to shake the system because they speak the unwanted truth. They even are “persecuted.” This is just a part of the deal of being legitimized, having a legend written for the future agents of influence. Karlin is young and stupid so he can still save himself. And he is Russian so he has a rich alternative culture to draw from instead being sucked up into something what he doesn’t understand. This game is being played by big guys and he has no clue what is their true objective. But if he won’t cease it won’t be the first case of a nice Russian boy turning out to be a pasty in some Anglo-Zio scheme.

    You may go further and ask yourself a question why the pathetic work of Spearman was dusted off in 1980 and carried out by Jensen… Where did the money come from? Who is funding it? Who Launched Charles Murray book and who provided nice sinecure for him in the right wing neocon think-tank? Was Murray recruited by CIA when he was in Thailand prior to going to Harvard?

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    Ask the question cui bono about the IQ “research”
     
    Well, yeah, the IQers present themselves as doing objective science but it is anything but. Mostly it is a sort of neo-reactionary political ideology masquerading as science. For them, there is no need for any deep political/economic analysis to explain why third world countries are poor. It's just that the people there are cognitively inferior. The underlying idea is that the global political/economic system we live in is basically just and the results we see are simply the results of the relative merits of the different racial groups.

    So if you show them what a mess Libya is now, they'll just tell you that the people there are low IQ Arabs or something, and fail to note that the country was recently "bombed back into the stone age".

    So, it ultimately boils down to a very pro-Establishment, pro-status-quo sort of world view. But, yeah, they present themselves as some sort of "rebels".

    I don't mean to say that everything these people are saying is definitely wrong either. There are real differences between different human groups. There is something (even quite a bit) to HBD, but then there are a whole bunch of things that OBVIOUSLY have nothing to do with HBD.

    Like, this Jayman character (supposedly some Mulatto from the West Indies who is devoted to proving that black people are dumb) writes some article doing a statistical analysis of all the terrorist incidents and discovering (surprise!) that it's mostly Muslims. And then he has his whole HBD/IQer explanation of this. It's just comical, of course, because the explanation of why it's almost all Muslims is obvious. These are synthetic events and the patsies are Muslims because that's the synthetic narrative being promulgated! It's like doing some statistical analysis of the ethnic background of the villains in Hollywood War movies and discovering that they're almost all Germans! Wow!

    http://www.unz.com/jman/terrorism-quotient/

    I mean, it's so intellectually squalid! Basically, huge areas of "Unzistan" are more or less no-go zones for anybody with a minimum of good taste. I venture in there once in a while, but I have to really hold my nose.

    They even are “persecuted.”
     
    Well, the IQer stuff is not really a threat to the PTB. On any topic that really is a threat to the power structure, they really just manage to know nothing. Kevin MacDonald, who wrote some rather perceptive things about how Jewish lobbies operate, just knows nothing about synthetic terrorism. Nothing. This other guy, who is reputed to be a genius in the HBD/IQer world, Greg Cochran, thinks that it would be easy to fly the Boeing jets into the buildings because he saw his kids playing with a flight simulator!

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/who-did-it/#comment-1229413

    And, of course, possibly the topic, aside from 9/11 Truth, that is most threatening to the PTB, is WW2 revisionism, especially the Holocaust obviously. They really desperately want to shut down any intellectually honest discussion of World War 2 and its real causes and so forth. But again, these guys toe the line on all that. Like this guy Thompson reverently quoting the great "defender of freedom" Winston Churchill. These people pose as rebels, but on every really important issue, it's total intellectual/ideological conformity.

    Karlin is young and stupid so he can still save himself.
     
    Maybe, but I doubt it. The little punk strikes me as completely unsalvageable.
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  204. utu says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    Do I detect a light touch of modesty here? (In "this note")

    Absolutely. Modesty is my greatest vice.

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    One of the more civilised vices if I may so. Well worth simulating and decorating with ostrich feathers.
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  205. @Wizard of Oz
    Glad you're back safe and sober. But wrong. I voted for the Republic. Did you, or were you o/s and couldn't be bothered with a postal vote?

    BTW beware getting tangled with JR or you'll be off in a strait jacket.

    JR is far from crazy but he certainly doesn’t suffer fools gladly. I think his contributions here at Unz have been valuable, he did coin the term HIQI, but then since I have used that to describe you I can understand why you may harbour bruised feelings towards him.

    I thought you were a monarchist so thank you for setting me straight, please accept my sincere apologies. I would add humble apologies but nobody is going to buy my humility, not even you. Cheers.

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    Sorry to disappoint you but I hadn't even noticed the HIQI and that you have apparently applied it to me cannot make me retrosepctively so interested in or attentive to what you write that I am likely to discover what JR means by it or remember that you have blessed it and used it.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    JR is far too certain about things he can't rationally be so dogmatic about. So unless one can comfortably slip into his mental universe without screaming cognitive dissonance its better to stay clear. Actually I have looked at/read a lot of material related to both 9/11 and the JFK assassination and, while having zero emotional involvement in the issues, have entertained such ideas as JFK having been accidentallly shot by a secret serviceman and
    Mossad just possibly having a better knowledge of what the highjackers were up to than the FBI or CIA did:or, alternatively, that some Saudi Royals were involved with Al Qaeda and its plans. But none of the various smoking guns or definitive physical proofs or supposedly unanswered questions have left me believing there is still some great conspiracy to be disclosed.
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  206. @Talha

    We are returning to that madness because of mass immigration – particularly Muslim.
     
    This is putting the cart before the horse - there were no huddled masses of boat people crossing into Europe by the thousands before the destabilization of the Middle East beginning with war on Iraq and igniting to include Syria, Yemen and Libya - and what the hell are we still doing in Afghanistan (Bin Ladin is dead and it's a frickin' land-locked country)??!!

    retarded girls are their favorite
     
    Probably. Criminals try to choose the most vulnerable and those whose testimony would be less credible in court - makes perfect sense. If you haven't already, read up on the kinds and level of sexual assaults that take place in old-age facilities and the hands of the staff. These vile people go after those with dementia, those that can barely see, can't talk, etc. because they are less capable of testifying against them.

    Peace.

    Indeed. Jimmy Savile picked his victims carefully, which is why he ended his life honoured rather than in jail. He made the occasional misstep – he went after a 14-year-old girl in the presence of her parents with such enthusiasm on a P&O cruise that they complained to the captain, who confined him to his cabin, and he was barred by P&O from then on, but generally he got away with it.

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  207. @dfordoom

    I know, before things changed, the police in Britain and its empire had a long tradition of keeping the peace with nothing but a notepad and a pencil … but, that is so 1950. Today, it’s military grade automatic weapons.
     
    Which has conveniently acted as disguise for a much bigger change. Those jovial unarmed bobbies back in the 1950s were on the side of the British people. The British police today are not on the side of the British people. They are on the side of the elites. Their job is to enforce conformity and crush dissent. They have become a political police force.

    Which is pretty much what has happened throughout the West. If you still think the police are your friends you haven't been paying attention.

    Just as much on the side of the elites in the 1950s as now. There was no serious challenge of any kind on the horizon, the welfare state was being established etc. Significantly the police began to be more militarised under Thatcher, who could tell there would be trouble on the horizon because she planned to cause much of it.

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  208. @NoseytheDuke
    JR is far from crazy but he certainly doesn't suffer fools gladly. I think his contributions here at Unz have been valuable, he did coin the term HIQI, but then since I have used that to describe you I can understand why you may harbour bruised feelings towards him.

    I thought you were a monarchist so thank you for setting me straight, please accept my sincere apologies. I would add humble apologies but nobody is going to buy my humility, not even you. Cheers.

    Sorry to disappoint you but I hadn’t even noticed the HIQI and that you have apparently applied it to me cannot make me retrosepctively so interested in or attentive to what you write that I am likely to discover what JR means by it or remember that you have blessed it and used it.

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    Sorry to disappoint you but I hadn’t even noticed the HIQI
     
    Well, the HIQI concept, i.e. "High IQ Idiot" was first mentioned here in an article I wrote last year, the first article I wrote on this site:

    http://www.unz.com/article/battling-the-matrix-and-freeing-oneself-from-the-roger-rabbit-mental-world/

    The HIQI concept was pretty central in that article. Did you read that article?
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  209. @utu
    Absolutely. Modesty is my greatest vice.

    One of the more civilised vices if I may so. Well worth simulating and decorating with ostrich feathers.

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  210. KenH says:
    @Talha
    Hey KenH,

    OTOH, what ISIS is doing to Christians and Yazidis constitutes naked aggression and murder against non-Islamic religious communities solely on the basis of religion.
     
    Yeah - that's what extremists do - I mean they're called extremists for a reason.

    Christians came under attack almost from the moment of the 2003 invasion
     
    Thanks for helping me make my point. The Christians are not under assault unless one turns relatively stable countries into free-fire zones - is this not obvious? Solution is clear - don't do it.

    Worse thing to do in Jordan would be to depose the king in the foolish name of democracy:
    "In modern times, the Holy Land’s eastern bank provides a prophetic vision of the Middle East, where Christians and Muslims live together in harmony, building a civil society that upholds the rights and dignity of all. A powerful icon of Jordan’s integrated Christian-Muslim society is found in King Abdullah II, a direct descendent of the Prophet Muhammad, who has commissioned the building of 11 churches at the Baptismal Site of Jesus in Bethany Beyond the Jordan, which is revered by Christians and Muslims alike."
    http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/how-christians-in-jordan-and-america-have-a-role-in-middle-east-peace


    According to some sources
     
    Sorry, I cannot take Bill Warner (a former physics professor) seriously. A guys who thinks he can (in English) simply summarize and mash together texts of variant hadith for the sake of brevity - a feat so profoundly stupid, no one in the history of Islam proposed anything like it in Arabic or any other language. As far as his sources, he uses the absolutely most high estimates and even then he makes the stuff up. For instance, he says; "A rough estimate by Raphael Moore in History of Asia Minor is that another 50 million died in wars by jihad."

    This is a blatant lie. Here is what Rev. Raphael Moore actually had to say; he meticulously outlines the 3.5+ million Orthodox Christians killed by Muslims - they rest of the 50 million number has zero to do with Islam but rather the Communist purges in Russia and the Holdomor in Ukraine. See for yourself:
    http://www.serfes.org/orthodox/memoryof.htm

    And anybody who cites Koenard Elst's book for a number of 80 million Hindu deaths has completely lost credibility with me, I refuted that nonsense a few months back (it basically depends on the one historian that estimated that population declined for years of Muslim rule - this is in contrast to every other academic estimate which estimate population to have grown) :
    http://www.unz.com/pbuchanan/is-islamic-terror-americas-future/?highlight=elst#comment-1461037
    http://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/the-sun-people-tsunami-and-the-inevitability-of-lifeboat-ethics/#comment-1703074

    Do your research please come back with more professional and academic sources if you want the largest blood libel in history to be placed at the feet of Muslims. Let's not be lazy and post links to random Hindutva or Christian polemics websites - I'm willing to debate this, but I don't feel like wasting my time.


    Before we digress too much, the central point is that Muslims are currently waging a one sided war against non-Muslims whether in Indonesia, Pakistan, Egypt, the Middle East and now Europe.
     
    Are you ****ing ****ing me??!! Fully armed navies and air forces have been moving between the East and the West and I can guarantee you they have only been moving in one direction. The boat people assaulting the shores of Europe are not like the boat people that land on Muslim shores - usually they are called Marines.

    Christians aren’t destroying and desecrating mosques, killing and beheading imams, issuing death threats, beheading Muslims
     
    They've destroyed plenty of mosques, they have blown up plenty of imams too, they even drone weddings and turn plenty of Muslim kids into hamburger. Are you seriously watching the score? Are you saying the piles of non-Muslim bodies in Europe over the last couple of decades comes even remotely close to the piles of bodies in the Muslim world? But that doesn't count because lives lost trying to spread the imperial cult of democracy (which evidently far too many Christians believe in more strongly than their purported faith) are just part of the deal, 'shock and awe' and all that - lives lost with extremists spreading their cult version of religion - well, heavens to mergatroid!

    If people in Europe and the US are serious about wanting to stunt this madness they should encourage Muslims to keep to their traditional Islam (the one that has consistently denounced this behavior), not demand or support reformation (which is where all these extremist strains come from), and stop cozying up to our crazies.
    "A White House statement, issued Wednesday, said that Trump and Salman had directed their teams to find ways 'to further strengthen and elevate the United States-Saudi strategic relationship' on the political, military, security, economic, cultural and social fronts. "
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/josh-rogin/wp/2017/03/16/trump-resets-u-s-saudi-relations-in-saudi-arabias-favor/?utm_term=.79e011f1cf20

    We certainly have our work cut out trying to reduce the influence and spread of our extremists, no doubt about it - the actions of the West are not helping at all.


    pressing some of their women into prostitution and forcibly converting others

     

    This is true, Christians don't seem to be doing this much.

    than some of your fellow co-religionists
     
    Totally agree.

    If you want to use 'Muslim' in general terms in the place whenever some minority extremists do nonsense, then can we use 'Christian' in place any political violence is committed by certain Christians?

    C'mon man let's get real here.

    Peace.

    Thanks for helping me make my point. The Christians are not under assault unless one turns relatively stable countries into free-fire zones – is this not obvious? Solution is clear – don’t do it.

    You completely missed the point. The Muslims attacking the Christians in Iraq have always wanted to harm Christians but were prevented from doing so by Saddam’s murderous security services who protected religious minorities. The invasion led to a breakdown of order and facilitated the violence against Christians.

    An analogy would be Muslims living in America and Europe. There are groups who don’t like them or appreciate their presence and would like to do something about it but fear of the police state is stopping them. If there is war or economic collapse and the police state apparatuses break down then Muslims will have nobody protecting them and will be forced to fend for themselves. Since they are a small minority they could find themselves on the receiving end of what they dole out to non-Muslim minorities in some Muslim majority nations.

    Worse thing to do in Jordan would be to depose the king in the foolish name of democracy:

    I couldn’t agree more and King Abdullah of Jordan is a magnanimous and capable leader. But he, too, employs security services to keep the Islamists in Jordan’s realm in check. There will always be Muslims who wish to do harm to non-Muslims when the conditions present themselves as in Iraq and Syria. Godspeed to King Abdullah.

    Sorry, I cannot take Bill Warner (a former physics professor) seriously. A guys who thinks he can (in English) simply summarize and mash together texts of variant hadith for the sake of brevity – a feat so profoundly stupid,

    That’s your choice and since he doesn’t say Islam is the greatest, most peaceful religion ever I figured you’d have a coronary. His application of the scientific method to understanding Islam is unique and events keep proving him right. No source is unassailable including you and yours. Where I take issue with Warner is his belief that Jews have always been the victims in their relations with Muslims.

    And anybody who cites Koenard Elst’s book for a number of 80 million Hindu deaths has completely lost credibility with me, I refuted that nonsense a few months back (it basically depends on the one historian that estimated that population declined for years of Muslim rule – this is in contrast to every other academic estimate which estimate population to have grown) :

    On the link you provided you reference an Indian historian named K.S. Lal whom Elst used to base his estimates. Otherwise, you provided no contrary evidence for Lal’s estimates that India’s population fell from 200 million to 125 million between 1000 AD and 1500 AD mainly as the result of the Muslim conquest. I have no problem conceding that the estimated 75-80 million can’t conclusively and definitively be laid at the door of the Muslim conquest due to apparent lack of adequate sources (Muslims didn’t always preserve non-Islamic sources). If you were paying attention I cut the number in half due to this lack of conclusiveness. But being a highly partisan Muslim it seems you are doing everything possible to reduce the number to the lowest one possible.

    However, Lal noted that while the population of India (presumably meaning Hindus) rose and fell between 1000 and 1800, curiously the Muslim population only increased. I’m sure that’s no coincidence.

    Regarding your claim that some or many Hindus enthusiastically converted, this seems to be fallacious. He mentions that Hindu beggars would be inclined to covert if Muslims gave them food or that butchers would convert since it would be good for business (obviously since Hindus don’t eat meat). This is conversion by personal circumstance and not because they discovered the supposed beauty and truths of the Islamic faith. But you conveniently left out a critical piece from Lal’s analysis when he says:

    “Had the common, poor, unsophisticated sections of the lower classes been left to themselves, they might have been contented with their local forms of devotion and folk culture”.

    Since this is getting long I’ll respond to the rest of your comments in another post.

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    Hey KenH,

    You completely missed the point.
     
    No I did not and you just made it for me again...

    An analogy would be Muslims living in America and Europe. There are groups who don’t like them or appreciate their presence and would like to do something about it but fear of the police state is stopping them.
     
    If the US or European nations were to have their governments bombed and civil order broke down, certain elements within their society would take advantage of the situation to kill the minorities within their midst; Muslims, Sikhs, Hindus, etc. Hell, even Whites and Blacks within areas where they are minorities would be targets.

    These elements exist in every society and Muslims are no different. Muslims are keeping other Muslims in check on this front, do not destroy the power of the first group otherwise the latter will arise.

    There will always be non-Muslims who wish to do harm to Muslims when the conditions present themselves in the US and Europe.
     
    See what I did there?

    And why shouldn't the King of Jordan be more representative of the Islamic tradition? He has far, far more backing by elements of the old-guard Sunni order than anything the extremists can muster; many of my good friends from UCLA are students of a scholar-Sufi who learned directly under the late Grand Mufti of the Jordan, Shaykh Nuh Ali Salman (ra) - one of the leading Shai'i scholars of his time.

    No source is unassailable including you and yours.
     
    Not about being perfect, it is about being credible. The man is a liar, I have zero qualms stating such and I proved it out using just one of his blatantly inflated numbers.

    Where I take issue with Warner is his belief that Jews have always been the victims in their relations with Muslims.
     
    Good luck having him change that one - his group, like so many others in this field are closely related, if not outrightly funded by neoconservatives or Israeli-firsters. People like David Horowitz love the guy. You can choose to keep him as a source, I'm happy destroying his credibility for people looking at this exchange with an objective and academic bent.

    As for Lal's estimates, you didn't read my second link which has all my sources linked:
    http://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/the-sun-people-tsunami-and-the-inevitability-of-lifeboat-ethics/#comment-1703074

    But I will include highlights here:

    And Lal’s work was criticized by historians like the late Simon Digby (the foremost British scholar of pre-Mughal India):
    “Regarding the population of India before A.D. 1000 Lal quotes the guesses of Colin Clark – 70 millions – and Jyotindra Mohan Datta – 200 ot 300 millions. He himself prefers 200 millions and he believes that, mainly as a result of the Muslim invasions and presence, the population of India fell from 200 millions in A.D. 1000 to 125 millions in A.D. 1500, to rise under more amiable Mughal rule to 175 millions in 1700…Yet the unknown variables are so great and the quality of the data yielded by our sources so poor that almost any detailed general estimates of population based upon them must appear wilful, if not fantastic....Garbage in, garbage out.”
    https://www.jstor.org/stable/614232?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

    So basically, Prof. Lal chose to side on the higher side, whereas if one takes the estimate of Colin Clark, then the population actually grew from years 1000 – 1500 by almost 55 million. Not to mention that all other estimates by historians and economists have solidly estimated the population to have grown in that time frame. Take a look at the chart called “Alternative Estimates of India’s Population, 0-1820 A.D.” – all of them show increases:
    Development Centre Studies The World Economy Volume 1
     

    Regarding your claim that some or many Hindus enthusiastically converted, this seems to be fallacious.
     
    No, anybody who has done serious academic analysis of the history (like Prof. Digby) knows that the preaching of the Sufi-scholars was the most instrumental element in spreading Islam in India. In fact, history shows that Muslim military presence was actually a damper on the progress of the faith due to sanguinary policies by too many of the rulers. In “The Rise of Islam and the Bengal Frontier, 1204–1760″ by Richard Eaton - discussed the four prevailing theories of conversion in India and why historical facts support my position:
    http://publishing.cdlib.org/ucpressebooks/view?docId=ft067n99v9&chunk.id=ch05&toc.depth=1&toc.id=ch05&brand=eschol

    “If Islamization had ever been a function of military or political force, one would expect that those areas exposed most intensively and over the longest period to rule by Muslim dynasties—that is, those that were most fully exposed to the 'sword'—would today contain the greatest number of Muslims. Yet the opposite is the case, as those regions where the most dramatic Islamization occurred, such as eastern Bengal or western Punjab, lay on the fringes of Indo-Muslim rule, where the 'sword' was weakest, and where brute force could have exerted the least influence. In such regions the first accurate census reports put the Muslim population at between 70 and 90 percent of the total, whereas in the heartland of Muslim rule in the upper Gangetic Plain—the domain of the Delhi Fort and the Taj Mahal, where Muslim regimes had ruled the most intensively and for the longest period of time—the Muslim population ranged from only 10 to 15 percent. In other words, in the subcontinent as a whole there is an inverse relationship between the degree of Muslim political penetration and the degree of Islamization. Even within Bengal this principle holds true.”

    Why do you think many Hindus actually revere and visit the tombs of the various Muslim Sufis?
    https://maptia.com/bijoyv/stories/the-islamic-shrine-where-hindus-pray

    He didn't even mention the Southern area of India along the Malabar coast which never came under Muslim rule and has a healthy and growing Muslim population who are distinguished from the rest of Indian Muslims by adherence to the Shafi'i school from Yemen where many of their preachers came from.

    And of course many converted for reasons of material gain, that happened everywhere.

    Peace.
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  211. @NoseytheDuke
    JR is far from crazy but he certainly doesn't suffer fools gladly. I think his contributions here at Unz have been valuable, he did coin the term HIQI, but then since I have used that to describe you I can understand why you may harbour bruised feelings towards him.

    I thought you were a monarchist so thank you for setting me straight, please accept my sincere apologies. I would add humble apologies but nobody is going to buy my humility, not even you. Cheers.

    JR is far too certain about things he can’t rationally be so dogmatic about. So unless one can comfortably slip into his mental universe without screaming cognitive dissonance its better to stay clear. Actually I have looked at/read a lot of material related to both 9/11 and the JFK assassination and, while having zero emotional involvement in the issues, have entertained such ideas as JFK having been accidentallly shot by a secret serviceman and
    Mossad just possibly having a better knowledge of what the highjackers were up to than the FBI or CIA did:or, alternatively, that some Saudi Royals were involved with Al Qaeda and its plans. But none of the various smoking guns or definitive physical proofs or supposedly unanswered questions have left me believing there is still some great conspiracy to be disclosed.

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    Sorry Wiz but the cognitive dissonance is entirely your own and for evidence of this I cite the very post I am responding to. We can agree however that Mossad had better knowledge of what the hijackers were up to., commendable honesty on your part even if it was accidental.
    , @Jonathan Revusky

    JR is far too certain about things he can’t rationally be so dogmatic about.
     
    Okay, fine. What things?

    Actually I have looked at/read a lot of material related to both 9/11 and the JFK assassination
     
    Really? What material have you read? Name some books, articles, authors....

    Actually, I asked you this question before, right here, http://www.unz.com/jthompson/small-incident-in-london-not-many-dead/#comment-1813403 I wrote:


    If so, which authors on JFK or 9/11 have you read? For example, have you read the Douglass book on JFK? Or have you read David Ray Griffin’s book on 9/11? What have you read? I’ve long assumed that you haven’t read any of it because, whenever anything gets very factual, you just start handwaving, like you don’t really know anything.
     
    No answer. Just insulting me instead, so I figured anybody would draw the obvious conclusion that you were (yet again) getting cornered in the debate, in this case, precisely because you have not read anything on these topics. That's also obvious because all your comments show that you don't anything!
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  212. iffen says:
    @Talha
    Hey JW,

    All your soul chatter is merely your own chemical reflex to something you cannot handle.
     
    Hmmm, so you have no soul...we'll see...

    "And say to those who do not believe, 'Work according to your position; indeed, we are working. And wait; indeed, we are also waiting.'" (11:121-122)


    my continued refrain is that Whites are the Best of the races, on every score
     
    Yes, my ears doth ring from the sound. If you say so...
    "Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall." Proverbs:16:18

    Muslims want to kill Free Speech.
     
    No such thing as free speech - every society puts limits on it - they just differ on what they prosecute; you never heard of libel laws or incitement to riot?

    Go to hell
     
    Says the materialist....Heaven's big enough for everybody, I respond.

    Peace.

    Talha, we should double down on comment exchanges, we never know when we are going to get picked up by the NY Times.

    iffen
    March 14, 2017 at 8:17 pm GMT • 100 Words

    Talha:
    Hey – new ‘Native’ American tribal reserve with autonomy – we’ve done this before.
    “Buffalo Solja, in the heart of America”,

    Whiteclay (Lakota: Makȟásaŋ;[1] “whiteish or yellowish clay”), is an unincorporated community and census-designated place in Sheridan County, Nebraska, United States. The population was 14 at the 2000 census.
    A significant part of Whiteclay’s economy is based on alcohol sales to residents of the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, located two miles (3.2 km) north across the border in South Dakota, where alcohol consumption and possession is prohibited. According to the Nebraska Liquor Control Commission, beer sales at Whiteclay’s four liquor stores totalled 4.9 million cans in 2010 (~13,000 cans per day) for gross sales of $3 million.[2] The four beer merchants paid federal and state excise taxes (included in liquor’s sale price) of $413,932 that year.[3]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiteclay%2C_Nebraska

    American Indian Firewater Myths Are No Myths
    Steve Sailer • March 26, 2017
    From the New York Times, an account of an HBD interface that I’ve mentioned before:
    Nebraska May Stanch One Town’s Flow of Beer to Its Vulnerable Neighbors

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  213. Talha says:
    @KenH

    Thanks for helping me make my point. The Christians are not under assault unless one turns relatively stable countries into free-fire zones – is this not obvious? Solution is clear – don’t do it.
     
    You completely missed the point. The Muslims attacking the Christians in Iraq have always wanted to harm Christians but were prevented from doing so by Saddam's murderous security services who protected religious minorities. The invasion led to a breakdown of order and facilitated the violence against Christians.

    An analogy would be Muslims living in America and Europe. There are groups who don't like them or appreciate their presence and would like to do something about it but fear of the police state is stopping them. If there is war or economic collapse and the police state apparatuses break down then Muslims will have nobody protecting them and will be forced to fend for themselves. Since they are a small minority they could find themselves on the receiving end of what they dole out to non-Muslim minorities in some Muslim majority nations.


    Worse thing to do in Jordan would be to depose the king in the foolish name of democracy:
     
    I couldn't agree more and King Abdullah of Jordan is a magnanimous and capable leader. But he, too, employs security services to keep the Islamists in Jordan's realm in check. There will always be Muslims who wish to do harm to non-Muslims when the conditions present themselves as in Iraq and Syria. Godspeed to King Abdullah.

    Sorry, I cannot take Bill Warner (a former physics professor) seriously. A guys who thinks he can (in English) simply summarize and mash together texts of variant hadith for the sake of brevity – a feat so profoundly stupid,
     
    That's your choice and since he doesn't say Islam is the greatest, most peaceful religion ever I figured you'd have a coronary. His application of the scientific method to understanding Islam is unique and events keep proving him right. No source is unassailable including you and yours. Where I take issue with Warner is his belief that Jews have always been the victims in their relations with Muslims.

    And anybody who cites Koenard Elst’s book for a number of 80 million Hindu deaths has completely lost credibility with me, I refuted that nonsense a few months back (it basically depends on the one historian that estimated that population declined for years of Muslim rule – this is in contrast to every other academic estimate which estimate population to have grown) :
     
    On the link you provided you reference an Indian historian named K.S. Lal whom Elst used to base his estimates. Otherwise, you provided no contrary evidence for Lal's estimates that India's population fell from 200 million to 125 million between 1000 AD and 1500 AD mainly as the result of the Muslim conquest. I have no problem conceding that the estimated 75-80 million can't conclusively and definitively be laid at the door of the Muslim conquest due to apparent lack of adequate sources (Muslims didn't always preserve non-Islamic sources). If you were paying attention I cut the number in half due to this lack of conclusiveness. But being a highly partisan Muslim it seems you are doing everything possible to reduce the number to the lowest one possible.

    However, Lal noted that while the population of India (presumably meaning Hindus) rose and fell between 1000 and 1800, curiously the Muslim population only increased. I'm sure that's no coincidence.

    Regarding your claim that some or many Hindus enthusiastically converted, this seems to be fallacious. He mentions that Hindu beggars would be inclined to covert if Muslims gave them food or that butchers would convert since it would be good for business (obviously since Hindus don't eat meat). This is conversion by personal circumstance and not because they discovered the supposed beauty and truths of the Islamic faith. But you conveniently left out a critical piece from Lal's analysis when he says:

    "Had the common, poor, unsophisticated sections of the lower classes been left to themselves, they might have been contented with their local forms of devotion and folk culture".

    Since this is getting long I'll respond to the rest of your comments in another post.

    Hey KenH,

    You completely missed the point.

    No I did not and you just made it for me again…

    An analogy would be Muslims living in America and Europe. There are groups who don’t like them or appreciate their presence and would like to do something about it but fear of the police state is stopping them.

    If the US or European nations were to have their governments bombed and civil order broke down, certain elements within their society would take advantage of the situation to kill the minorities within their midst; Muslims, Sikhs, Hindus, etc. Hell, even Whites and Blacks within areas where they are minorities would be targets.

    These elements exist in every society and Muslims are no different. Muslims are keeping other Muslims in check on this front, do not destroy the power of the first group otherwise the latter will arise.

    There will always be non-Muslims who wish to do harm to Muslims when the conditions present themselves in the US and Europe.

    See what I did there?

    And why shouldn’t the King of Jordan be more representative of the Islamic tradition? He has far, far more backing by elements of the old-guard Sunni order than anything the extremists can muster; many of my good friends from UCLA are students of a scholar-Sufi who learned directly under the late Grand Mufti of the Jordan, Shaykh Nuh Ali Salman (ra) – one of the leading Shai’i scholars of his time.

    No source is unassailable including you and yours.

    Not about being perfect, it is about being credible. The man is a liar, I have zero qualms stating such and I proved it out using just one of his blatantly inflated numbers.

    Where I take issue with Warner is his belief that Jews have always been the victims in their relations with Muslims.

    Good luck having him change that one – his group, like so many others in this field are closely related, if not outrightly funded by neoconservatives or Israeli-firsters. People like David Horowitz love the guy. You can choose to keep him as a source, I’m happy destroying his credibility for people looking at this exchange with an objective and academic bent.

    As for Lal’s estimates, you didn’t read my second link which has all my sources linked:

    http://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/the-sun-people-tsunami-and-the-inevitability-of-lifeboat-ethics/#comment-1703074

    But I will include highlights here:

    And Lal’s work was criticized by historians like the late Simon Digby (the foremost British scholar of pre-Mughal India):
    “Regarding the population of India before A.D. 1000 Lal quotes the guesses of Colin Clark – 70 millions – and Jyotindra Mohan Datta – 200 ot 300 millions. He himself prefers 200 millions and he believes that, mainly as a result of the Muslim invasions and presence, the population of India fell from 200 millions in A.D. 1000 to 125 millions in A.D. 1500, to rise under more amiable Mughal rule to 175 millions in 1700…Yet the unknown variables are so great and the quality of the data yielded by our sources so poor that almost any detailed general estimates of population based upon them must appear wilful, if not fantastic….Garbage in, garbage out.”

    https://www.jstor.org/stable/614232?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

    So basically, Prof. Lal chose to side on the higher side, whereas if one takes the estimate of Colin Clark, then the population actually grew from years 1000 – 1500 by almost 55 million. Not to mention that all other estimates by historians and economists have solidly estimated the population to have grown in that time frame. Take a look at the chart called “Alternative Estimates of India’s Population, 0-1820 A.D.” – all of them show increases:
    Development Centre Studies The World Economy Volume 1

    Regarding your claim that some or many Hindus enthusiastically converted, this seems to be fallacious.

    No, anybody who has done serious academic analysis of the history (like Prof. Digby) knows that the preaching of the Sufi-scholars was the most instrumental element in spreading Islam in India. In fact, history shows that Muslim military presence was actually a damper on the progress of the faith due to sanguinary policies by too many of the rulers. In “The Rise of Islam and the Bengal Frontier, 1204–1760″ by Richard Eaton – discussed the four prevailing theories of conversion in India and why historical facts support my position:

    http://publishing.cdlib.org/ucpressebooks/view?docId=ft067n99v9&chunk.id=ch05&toc.depth=1&toc.id=ch05&brand=eschol

    “If Islamization had ever been a function of military or political force, one would expect that those areas exposed most intensively and over the longest period to rule by Muslim dynasties—that is, those that were most fully exposed to the ‘sword’—would today contain the greatest number of Muslims. Yet the opposite is the case, as those regions where the most dramatic Islamization occurred, such as eastern Bengal or western Punjab, lay on the fringes of Indo-Muslim rule, where the ‘sword’ was weakest, and where brute force could have exerted the least influence. In such regions the first accurate census reports put the Muslim population at between 70 and 90 percent of the total, whereas in the heartland of Muslim rule in the upper Gangetic Plain—the domain of the Delhi Fort and the Taj Mahal, where Muslim regimes had ruled the most intensively and for the longest period of time—the Muslim population ranged from only 10 to 15 percent. In other words, in the subcontinent as a whole there is an inverse relationship between the degree of Muslim political penetration and the degree of Islamization. Even within Bengal this principle holds true.”

    Why do you think many Hindus actually revere and visit the tombs of the various Muslim Sufis?

    https://maptia.com/bijoyv/stories/the-islamic-shrine-where-hindus-pray

    He didn’t even mention the Southern area of India along the Malabar coast which never came under Muslim rule and has a healthy and growing Muslim population who are distinguished from the rest of Indian Muslims by adherence to the Shafi’i school from Yemen where many of their preachers came from.

    And of course many converted for reasons of material gain, that happened everywhere.

    Peace.

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    See what I did there?
     
    Muslims are recent interlopers in Europe and at one time were actually welcomed by the white natives, but that's rapidly changing thanks to their violent and reckless behavior and general hostility. Middle Eastern Christians have lived in the Middle east longer than Muslims and haven't molested or harmed Muslims in any way. From a rational point of view there's no reason for Muslims to do harm to them other than blind hate and religious intolerance.

    Not about being perfect, it is about being credible. The man is a liar, I have zero qualms stating such and I proved it out using just one of his blatantly inflated numbers.
     
    You are entitled to your opinion. The "blatantly inflated number" was not pulled from thin air and he was citing the research of others. The case for 80 million deaths does appear suspect upon close examination given what we know about available sources. This is similar to people claiming that white settlers killed anywhere from 50 to 180 million "native Americans" in North America. But some of the other sources you provided did next to nothing to debunk that claim and I'll get to that later.

    Good luck having him change that one – his group, like so many others in this field are closely related, if not outrightly funded by neoconservatives or Israeli-firsters.
     
    As I said he whiffed on that subject. Even though Jews have been on the receiving end of collective punishment by Muslims, they've also enjoyed privileged status and protection under Muslim rulers at various points throughout history. They've also colluded with Muslims against Christians which Warner never addresses and acts like Jews and Christians have been bosom buddies for all time.

    But I will include highlights here:
     
    The projections you cite to somehow prove a population increase are merely guesses and we know what those are worth. The methodology seems to be based on assessing theoretical economic output of the cultivated land area which would have a very wide margin of error.

    If you applied this method to the Ukraine during the Holodomer then the population of the Ukraine should have increased, yet it precipitously dropped by 7-10 million due the engineered famine. So this model can't account for external factors such as large scale massacres, wars, disease and famine, either engineered or natural.

    The bottom line is that it's very hard to say what really happened in India between 1000 and 1500. Some Hindus and non-Muslims will claim that a holocaust occurred while Muslims and their champions will claim a population increase and financial prosperity based on sources and population estimates as dubious and imprecise as those used for the 80 million claim.
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  214. @Wizard of Oz
    Not very perceptive. Nosey, back from the Sahara, is asserting his own primacy in claims to Australianness, so your reply is insulting to him. But that you don't care about wasting people's time with sloppy thoughtless blather has become instantly apparent. Why not adopt a literate moniker and start again? That, you should observe, is a charitable suggestion.

    yes, wizzy, literate like the wizard of oz. can’t you think of some original australian name and leave kansas alone? perhaps ‘lobster-red, unoriginal, humorless genocidal ex-convicts’? i truly can think of only a couple of australians that i actually liked. what is it about you people? i think it’s your englishness, and not only that butbeing of the rottennest scum of that horrific nation. what a cocky bunch of pricks! but please do, if you feel the need, keep condescending and offering such helpful, indeed charitable, suggestions.

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    Easy there Dan, Australians are generally pretty decent people and there are few places on this planet where Americans are made more welcome. They do have a tragic record of the treatment of their indigenous peoples then and now, as does ZUSA. Sadly, both nations are infected by the same disease causing infestation.

    The English are generally lovely, good people too and will typically come to the aid of people with generosity just like Aussies and Yanks often will. I am very disappointed in the entire Anglosphere though due to the shift towards materialism and the callous disregard for the war crimes those they elected commit in service to the bankers they represent. There will be retribution, there always is.
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  215. @Svigor

    a typical know-it-all nobody,
     
    A very accurate description, kudos. I kinda trailed off reading the subject-changing, though. Your arguments remind me of a possibly-unnamed fallacy, "blinding with science." To paraphrase Dr. Venkmann: "Ray, pretend I don't know anything about physics, or chemistry, or metallurgy, and just explain to me what the Hell is going on." If you need to talk about it at the grad school level, then your evidence is pretty esoteric. I have no idea what made the other building come down. That doesn't mean I'm going to buy into "the Muslims didn't do it!" I'm going to have to buy somebody's story, and between the Konspiracy Kooks and the Talking Heads, I'll go with the talking heads (and the preponderance of the evidence).

    (There's clearly little in the way of penalty for Konspiracy Kooking over 9/11; why haven't scientists in relevant fields signed on to Konspiracy Kookery en masse, if the science is so obvious to the qualified?)

    Maybe if Osama had blamed the West, instead of taking credit for 10+ years, I'd feel differently.

    Talk to me about race-replacement; anyone can see it, it's right in front of our noses, but Konspiracy Kooks prefer faked Moon landings.

    here’s a third grade description of free fall speed. go to the top of, say, the empire state building, and at the same time drop a bowling ball and a penny. they will land at exactly the same time (that is, weight makes no difference–you could use a feather and bowling ball and it would still hold true provided there was no drag from the air, ie in a vacuum). which is around nine seconds. as i remembered that rule from high school physics class, when i read that the twin towers came down at free fall speed i said, impossible. and it is. that is, without literally ZERO resistance, ie no floors smacking into each other.
    as for other conspiracies, i don’t know for sure but am suspicious, and see no reason not to think race replacement fits in perfectly with all the other grand plans in store for us.
    i gave up ages ago trying to convince anyone who’s dead set against it that the government blew up all three buildings of the wtc. somehow logic doesn’t work on people who have the slightest respect for the talking heads. i understand how that feels, i always did too till about 2004. they’re extremely convincing, and are not masters of propaganda for nothing. something like 911 just scratches the surface of what they’re capable of. you should also look at all the other so-called terrorist attacks since then (not that you’ll believe it) and try to consider that it’s all made up. but you, like most everyone, are dazed and confused yet feel you’re not as, of course, you saw it yourself on tv.

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  216. @joe webb
    here is a useful thought exercise: white men and white women. We are supposed to be equal.
    And after at about a century now of Liberated Women, what have they contributed? not much, but they bitch and moan. They claim to be more spiritual than men, yet the Great Literature in the West is 98% written by men. Couple female greats, like Dickinson maybe, the bronte sisters, Janc Austin, and so on (oh, but she was supported by black slavery in the Caribbean...say the resenters) and so on.

    Women can and do write volumes on their enslavement by men. That is about all they can do. Then along come the Tellas, or whatever his name is, who bitch and moan. I just reread Edward Said's Orientalism. He bitches and moans and admits that all his Proof is to be had in anti-orientalist writing. ALL. No mention of other books that cover the same ground.

    Then the muzzies complain, like the blacks complain, and the reconquista aztec cannibals complain. and on and on.

    Got news for you complainers...White men are the toughest and smartest soldiers and we are going to kick your asses all the way home, with our liberal girlie-men sent along for you to rape. Yes, we have been killers and conquerers, and inventors of almost everything, and adventurers like extreme sports, which is 100 % white men. Real men, Vikings, and other White killers who know an enemy from a friend. Get out while you can. Words are almost over.

    Joe Webb

    unfortunately, joe, you are perhaps right. like everyone else in america, i (all immigrant stock) had to deal with you anglo motherfuckers my whole life. give me celtic humor, pizza, a nice bottle of red, some opera and catholicism!!

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    and somebody give him orthography
    , @anon
    you've got haemochromatosis

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_overload

    either eat more iron rich foods and get the heart attack over quickly so we don't have to listen to you or get it checked so we don't have to listen to you
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  217. joe webb says:

    speaking of the eternal complainers…6 years ago in Norway (go there before you die….amazing and also you will see what sent the Vikings out on raids and colonizing for farm land….not much arable land)….

    I talked to lots of Norwegians about immigration. The single best remark was from a 40ish military/computer systems gal-soldier for their air force….Russian border and all that.

    She said with regard to immigration, “We were very naive.” She of course included herself.

    One guy I talked to out in the middle of nowhere along side the road where there was a kind of vista turnoff…a middle aged Norwegian guy who worked in a slaughterhouse. I asked him about immigration. He nervously looked about as he told me that he works with a lot of Iraqis. “All they do is complain,” he said. He was disgusted.

    Bring an Arab North to White fairy-land of beauty, give him a job and….he complains, probably actually really about all the white pussy he is not getting. Never saw a Norwegian gal with a black or an arab…was there almost 3 weeks.

    I drove all over Norway, except for the Southwest quadrant. In Oslo, there is the muzzie district…and black. looks dreadful. Black behavior the same no matter where you are. You can take the African out of Africa, but you can’t take…. ditto Arabs.

    I would often see a clutch of burka-clad women , fat and pushing baby carriages , etc. Or a few men who looked more black than arab…Never saw any mixing with the white folks. Except for one or two black adoptees-kids with with Norwegian parents.

    In a campground ( I car-camped mostly cuz of the very high prices in Norway) I had a delightful conversation with about an 11 year old beautiful girl who gushed about her dog and everything else. Pure heaven. Then along came a black kid about 8 or 9 years. She introduced him as her brother. He had nothing to say. She excused him and said that he was sick, that he could not read or write.

    Right. Of course, I said nothing. But what awaits her is being raped when the kid comes into must. Destroy a beautiful and real smart and real healthy white girl, all for Humanity.

    That ought to do it. Joe Webb

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  218. KenH says:
    @Talha
    Hey KenH,

    OTOH, what ISIS is doing to Christians and Yazidis constitutes naked aggression and murder against non-Islamic religious communities solely on the basis of religion.
     
    Yeah - that's what extremists do - I mean they're called extremists for a reason.

    Christians came under attack almost from the moment of the 2003 invasion
     
    Thanks for helping me make my point. The Christians are not under assault unless one turns relatively stable countries into free-fire zones - is this not obvious? Solution is clear - don't do it.

    Worse thing to do in Jordan would be to depose the king in the foolish name of democracy:
    "In modern times, the Holy Land’s eastern bank provides a prophetic vision of the Middle East, where Christians and Muslims live together in harmony, building a civil society that upholds the rights and dignity of all. A powerful icon of Jordan’s integrated Christian-Muslim society is found in King Abdullah II, a direct descendent of the Prophet Muhammad, who has commissioned the building of 11 churches at the Baptismal Site of Jesus in Bethany Beyond the Jordan, which is revered by Christians and Muslims alike."
    http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/how-christians-in-jordan-and-america-have-a-role-in-middle-east-peace


    According to some sources
     
    Sorry, I cannot take Bill Warner (a former physics professor) seriously. A guys who thinks he can (in English) simply summarize and mash together texts of variant hadith for the sake of brevity - a feat so profoundly stupid, no one in the history of Islam proposed anything like it in Arabic or any other language. As far as his sources, he uses the absolutely most high estimates and even then he makes the stuff up. For instance, he says; "A rough estimate by Raphael Moore in History of Asia Minor is that another 50 million died in wars by jihad."

    This is a blatant lie. Here is what Rev. Raphael Moore actually had to say; he meticulously outlines the 3.5+ million Orthodox Christians killed by Muslims - they rest of the 50 million number has zero to do with Islam but rather the Communist purges in Russia and the Holdomor in Ukraine. See for yourself:
    http://www.serfes.org/orthodox/memoryof.htm

    And anybody who cites Koenard Elst's book for a number of 80 million Hindu deaths has completely lost credibility with me, I refuted that nonsense a few months back (it basically depends on the one historian that estimated that population declined for years of Muslim rule - this is in contrast to every other academic estimate which estimate population to have grown) :
    http://www.unz.com/pbuchanan/is-islamic-terror-americas-future/?highlight=elst#comment-1461037
    http://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/the-sun-people-tsunami-and-the-inevitability-of-lifeboat-ethics/#comment-1703074

    Do your research please come back with more professional and academic sources if you want the largest blood libel in history to be placed at the feet of Muslims. Let's not be lazy and post links to random Hindutva or Christian polemics websites - I'm willing to debate this, but I don't feel like wasting my time.


    Before we digress too much, the central point is that Muslims are currently waging a one sided war against non-Muslims whether in Indonesia, Pakistan, Egypt, the Middle East and now Europe.
     
    Are you ****ing ****ing me??!! Fully armed navies and air forces have been moving between the East and the West and I can guarantee you they have only been moving in one direction. The boat people assaulting the shores of Europe are not like the boat people that land on Muslim shores - usually they are called Marines.

    Christians aren’t destroying and desecrating mosques, killing and beheading imams, issuing death threats, beheading Muslims
     
    They've destroyed plenty of mosques, they have blown up plenty of imams too, they even drone weddings and turn plenty of Muslim kids into hamburger. Are you seriously watching the score? Are you saying the piles of non-Muslim bodies in Europe over the last couple of decades comes even remotely close to the piles of bodies in the Muslim world? But that doesn't count because lives lost trying to spread the imperial cult of democracy (which evidently far too many Christians believe in more strongly than their purported faith) are just part of the deal, 'shock and awe' and all that - lives lost with extremists spreading their cult version of religion - well, heavens to mergatroid!

    If people in Europe and the US are serious about wanting to stunt this madness they should encourage Muslims to keep to their traditional Islam (the one that has consistently denounced this behavior), not demand or support reformation (which is where all these extremist strains come from), and stop cozying up to our crazies.
    "A White House statement, issued Wednesday, said that Trump and Salman had directed their teams to find ways 'to further strengthen and elevate the United States-Saudi strategic relationship' on the political, military, security, economic, cultural and social fronts. "
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/josh-rogin/wp/2017/03/16/trump-resets-u-s-saudi-relations-in-saudi-arabias-favor/?utm_term=.79e011f1cf20

    We certainly have our work cut out trying to reduce the influence and spread of our extremists, no doubt about it - the actions of the West are not helping at all.


    pressing some of their women into prostitution and forcibly converting others

     

    This is true, Christians don't seem to be doing this much.

    than some of your fellow co-religionists
     
    Totally agree.

    If you want to use 'Muslim' in general terms in the place whenever some minority extremists do nonsense, then can we use 'Christian' in place any political violence is committed by certain Christians?

    C'mon man let's get real here.

    Peace.

    Do your research please come back with more professional and academic sources if you want the largest blood libel in history to be placed at the feet of Muslims. Let’s not be lazy and post links to random Hindutva or Christian polemics websites – I’m willing to debate this, but I don’t feel like wasting my time.

    Excuse me? A couple of your links purporting to show that Europe has had the bloodiest history in the world weren’t exactly highly clinical and academic treatments of the issue. The claim of 66 million deaths in WWII is false as the commonly accepted figure is approx. 50 million which should be reduced to 44-45 million when you subtract the dubious claims of six million Jewish deaths. Even though WWII was an unprecedented bloodbath I still think that number is a bit too high.

    The difference in this case is that Europeans have killed mostly each other and not Muslims. Tamerlane/Timur, the self styled “Sword of Islam” responsible for 17 million deaths killed mostly non-Muslims. Why didn’t Islamic dogma make him peaceful and tolerant? Can you name any Christian or Buddhist leader from the past who’s responsible for killing millions of Muslims?

    Are you ****ing ****ing me??!! Fully armed navies and air forces have been moving between the East and the West and I can guarantee you they have only been moving in one direction. The boat people assaulting the shores of Europe are not like the boat people that land on Muslim shores – usually they are called Marines.

    No need to be obtuse. Iraq or any Muslim nation is no longer being overwhelmed by U.S. marines and the marines’ objective wasn’t and isn’t to promote Christianity at the expense of Islam. The primary cause of Muslim deaths the last several years at least if not more has been…..other Muslims.

    I’ll make this easy for you. Can you provide documentary evidence where indigenous Christian communities in Egypt, Iraq, Syria, Pakistan, Europe or America are persecuting, kidnapping, killing, raping or destroying the property of Muslims?

    They’ve destroyed plenty of mosques, they have blown up plenty of imams too, they even drone weddings and turn plenty of Muslim kids into hamburger. Are you seriously watching the score? Are you saying the piles of non-Muslim bodies in Europe over the last couple of decades comes even remotely close to the piles of bodies in the Muslim world?

    There were mosques being used to store weapons and stage attacks, so yes, some of those got destroyed. So Muslim armies, invading or otherwise, wouldn’t destroy Christian churches or Buddhist temples that were being used to stage violent attacks on them? How do you think the Muslim Turks would react given their bloody history? Aren’t some or more than some of these “Muslim bodies” those of the extremists whom you say you decry and therefore aren’t truly Muslim? So why shed any tears for them?

    ISIS has destroyed a few Sunni mosques and some Shiite mosques. Is that less objectionable because the destroyers are Muslim?

    How come Muslim terrorists and extremists are “Muslims” (i.e., not truly Muslim) but that any Muslim killed by a Western drone strike, bomb, or other method, even if an extremist or friendly to the extremist cause is a Muslim worthy of the world’s sorrow? You’re trying to have your cake and eat it, too.

    If people in Europe and the US are serious about wanting to stunt this madness they should encourage Muslims to keep to their traditional Islam (the one that has consistently denounced this behavior), not demand or support reformation (which is where all these extremist strains come from),

    That’s debatable. ISIS caliph Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi holds a Phd in Islamic theology and says his version is the true and “traditional” form. Spare me the retort about Islamic scholars who disagree with him. Might makes right and the scholars who disagree are losing badly. Do your credentials rival Al Baghdadi’s?

    There is no clear consensus in the Muslim world as to what “traditional Islam” is or means anyway, so the West should simply bar them from entering their nations. Muslims have proven largely antagonistic and unassimilable to their gracious Western hosts. And yes, the West should stop meddling in the affairs of Muslim nations and allow them to resolve their own issues in their own ways.

    We certainly have our work cut out trying to reduce the influence and spread of our extremists, no doubt about it – the actions of the West are not helping at all.

    We finally see eye to eye on something.

    If you want to use ‘Muslim’ in general terms in the place whenever some minority extremists do nonsense, then can we use ‘Christian’ in place any political violence is committed by certain Christians?

    C’mon man let’s get real here.

    Yes, let’s. See my answer above. You arbitrarily excommunicate Muslim extremists from the umma but when those same Muslims or their supporters perish at the hands of U.S. military action then they become Muslim in the general sense so you can guilt trip the West. If you are convinced that “Christians” presumably in the form of the U.S. military have killed Muslims in the name of religion then please provide sources where generals and troops have cited Biblical scripture as a legal and moral framework for the invasion and acts of violence that followed.

    With few exception, the U.S. military serves as proxy for the state of Israel in the Middle East.

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    A couple of your links purporting to show that Europe has had the bloodiest history in the world weren’t exactly highly clinical and academic treatments of the issue.
     
    A lot of that is having more advanced technology since the industrial revolution.

    If we compare Europe before the industrial revolution to everywhere else before the industrial revolution then places like China / India / Middle east etc would be well ahead simply because they had much higher population density for most of that time.

    The Mongols are probably number one per capita because so few of them managed to kill so many other people armed with just swords and arrows.
    , @Talha
    Hey KenH,

    A couple of your links purporting to show that Europe has had the bloodiest history in the world weren’t exactly highly clinical and academic treatments of the issue.
     
    Apparently you didn't click through to the details on WW2:
    http://necrometrics.com/20c5m.htm#Second

    Necrometrics is clear on all of the various academic estimates that you cite and their mathematical methodology in arriving at their own conclusion - there is complete transparency. Mr. Warner does no such thing - he never mentions any other estimates of population increase in India. Furthermore, there is no way that Necrometrics erring by a percentage of 25% could closely be compared to Mr. Warner's inflating the number of Christians killed by Muslims, according to the very source he cites, by a magnitude of 11. The worst part is, he doesn't have the decency to give away his charlatan nonsense for free, he actually wants you to pay for his snake oil:
    https://www.politicalislam.com/shop/


    Tamerlane/Timur, the self styled “Sword of Islam” responsible for 17 million deaths killed mostly non-Muslims.
     
    You have made a claim, provide your evidence. It is well known that Tamerlane's conquests were in the heartlands of Islam which (by the 14th century) were already well majority Muslim. The Timurids clashed with mostly Muslim sovereigns and their populations. His claims to 'jihad' were purely self serving. Here is what Justin Marozzi (who wrote a comprehensive book on his life) states:
    "Perhaps the most uncomfortable parallel, if you happen to be a jihadist, between Tamerlane’s holy war and the conflict raging in Iraq, is the number of innocent Muslims who meet their death at its practitioners’ hands. For all Tamerlane’s talk of killing the infidel, for all his posturing as a Ghazi (Holy Warrior) and the ‘Sword Arm of the Faith,’ he slaughtered far greater numbers of Muslims than Christians, Jews or Hindus."
    http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/38088

    Why didn’t Islamic dogma make him peaceful and tolerant?
     
    OK, why didn't Christian dogma stop European slaughter-fests or their conquests of the Americas and the known world? Despite the fact that it contains far stronger notions of pacifism and non-violence than Islam. Explain why the Lord's Resistance Army commits the war crimes they do. People ignore dogma often when it gets in the way of greed, especially Mongol/Turkic warlords trying to bring back the glory of Genghiz Khan - the Day of Judgement will be a grim day.

    Can you name any Christian or Buddhist leader from the past who’s responsible for killing millions of Muslims?
     
    I don't think so, but it's a straw man argument - Tamerlane obviously was an equal opportunity killer and the majority of his victims were Muslim.

    The primary cause of Muslim deaths the last several years at least if not more has been…..other Muslims.
     
    Correct, this is the civil war going on right now against our extremists. Muslims themselves are responsible for bringing the bloodshed to a close - I don't fault the US for extremism of Daesh. It seems they supplied them with weapons though - that is deplorable.

    Can you provide documentary evidence where indigenous Christian communities in Egypt, Iraq, Syria, Pakistan, Europe or America are persecuting, kidnapping, killing, raping or destroying the property of Muslims?
     
    Of course not, they are the minorities in most of those countries you cite. And the US and Europe are currently stable. If there is a breakdown of civil order, there will likely be those kinds of things happening to Muslims at the hands of American/European extremists. Again, let's not help destabilize ME countries.

    So Muslim armies, invading or otherwise, wouldn’t destroy Christian churches or Buddhist temples that were being used to stage violent attacks on them?
     
    Depends on circumstance; we have had rules for engagement and concepts of acceptable collateral damage (including for houses of worship used in this manner) since the 8th century - so this is not the issue per se.

    How do you think the Muslim Turks would react given their bloody history?
     
    There is a massive problem in equating the conduct of a gun-powder empire like the Ottomans and the US. The Ottomans had no framework by which they were prevented from invading or being invaded from other regional empires. It was Game of Thrones - everyone played it, some played it better than others.

    The US and Britain are signatory to post-WW2 non-aggression protocols which they themselves helped draft. The invasion of Iraq was, at best, a horrible mistake or, at worst, a blatant act of aggression and treachery - a war crime. Either way, the Iraqis were completely morally correct in resisting - we were the invaders (by the admission of international legal framework - as Col. Bacevich mentioned, we had no UN mandate). As such, any act we took in blowing up mosques (whether they had weapons in them or not) or killing resisting soldiers has no moral backing - period. Unless you are going to go on record here and claim you actually believe in the WMD/mushroom cloud = smoking gun/anthrax hype used to sell Iraq as an existential threat.


    Is that less objectionable because the destroyers are Muslim?
     
    Of course not - both are objectionable.

    How come Muslim terrorists and extremists are “Muslims” (i.e., not truly Muslim) but that any Muslim killed by a Western drone strike, bomb, or other method, even if an extremist or friendly to the extremist cause is a Muslim worthy of the world’s sorrow?
     
    I didn't say that - Muslims are at the front lines killing them also. Our extremists are Muslim (al-Azhar and other institutions have refused to consider them apostates), but they are rebels and transgessors. If they gave up their arms and backed down, they would be free to disperse and go home, but as long as they continue on their sanguinary path, their blood has been declared lawful by the top scholars of the world. And do you actually believe the mantra that all strikes kill terrorists?
    https://theintercept.com/2017/03/09/women-and-children-in-yemeni-village-recall-horror-of-trumps-highly-successful-seal-raid/

    That’s debatable.
     
    Hardly.

    ISIS caliph Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi holds a Phd in Islamic theology and says his version is the true and “traditional” form.
     
    Iffen - you paying attention? Doesn't it always roll this way?

    For over a year and a half I have asked multiple people to give me exactly the name(s) of qualified scholars and/or institutions that back up Daesh. Up to now I have only been given one: Baghdadi.

    Let's break this down; nobody even has a straight answer to what he has a Phd in (from the 'world-renowned' "Saddam University for Islamic Studies" - I kid you not, read the link); is it in Quranic Studies?
    http://csweb.brookings.edu/content/research/essays/2015/thebeliever.html

    In "Islamic culture, history, sharia, and jurisprudence"?
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28560449

    In "Arabic"?*
    http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/iraq-turmoil/secret-life-isis-leader-abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-n132311

    Or in theology (as you claim without citation)?

    None of the above would make him even qualified to pass fatwas other than the one that may have been partially about jurisprudence. Even then, there is zero evidence that any institution or group of scholars conferred on him authorization to give fatwas. Can a lawyer practice law without passing the bar exam and having been certified by some governing committee?


    Spare me the retort about Islamic scholars who disagree with him.
     
    Then don't bring this stuff up. Let's be generous and say 1% of our ulama (that are qualified to give fatwas) actually agree with him (I actually have not come across a single one). That means 99% are against him - are you expecting me to take this argument seriously? Would any tradition be judged by the claims of its 1%? Can lawyers not be disbarred for certain actions and have their privileges revoked? Is any legal/ethical framework that takes itself seriously expected to act by the completely wild-west standards you are outlining here?

    Might makes right and the scholars who disagree are losing badly.
     
    Nonsense - the 'grand caliphate' controls all of half of Mosul and certain disconnected sectors here and there. It was a hiccup - no, a burp - in our history. The Ummah (except for a minority) rejected them wholesale. They can't win the hearts and minds of most Muslims, they will (inshaAllah) simply cause pin-prick attacks within our lands until they completely exhaust themselves. Anybody talk about the Qarmatis anymore? They sacked Mecca in their hey day.

    Do your credentials rival Al Baghdadi’s?
     
    Straw man; I am unqualified to debate with him, these men (scroll to the bottom) are not:
    http://www.lettertobaghdadi.com/14/english-v14.pdf

    There is no clear consensus in the Muslim world as to what “traditional Islam” is or means anyway, so the West should simply bar them from entering their nations.
     
    Not completely, but the normative voice is pretty clear for anybody paying attention and listening objectively. Jim Jones was an ordained minister - does that make his views equally valid with all other ordained ministers?As far as barring Muslims, fine with me - write your Congressman.

    If you are convinced that “Christians” presumably in the form of the U.S. military have killed Muslims in the name of religion
     
    I made it clear earlier that they kill for their new god, the cult of democracy and capitalism. However, there are plenty of Christians like Gen. Boykin and others that have made it clear they consider this a religious war.

    please provide sources where generals and troops have cited Biblical scripture as a legal and moral framework for the invasion and acts of violence that followed
     
    No need to; generals and soldiers don't explain doctrine, they follow what the ministers preach:
    "Recently, I took a few days to reread the war sermons delivered by influential evangelical ministers during the lead up to the Iraq war. That period, from the fall of 2002 through the spring of 2003, is not one I will remember fondly. Many of the most respected voices in American evangelical circles blessed the president's war plans, even when doing so required them to recast Christian doctrine...For his part, Jerry Falwell boasted that 'God is pro-war' in the title of an essay he wrote in 2004. The war sermons rallied the evangelical congregations behind the invasion of Iraq. An astonishing 87 percent of all white evangelical Christians in the United States supported the president's decision in April 2003....Some preachers tried to link Saddam Hussein with wicked King Nebuchadnezzar of Biblical fame, but these arguments depended on esoteric interpretations of the Old Testament book of II Kings and could not easily be reduced to the kinds of catchy phrases that are projected onto video screens in vast evangelical churches. The single common theme among the war sermons appeared to be this: our president is a real brother in Christ, and because he has discerned that God's will is for our nation to be at war against Iraq, we shall gloriously comply. "
    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/20/opinion/wayward-christian-soldiers.html

    Let's not fool ourselves that only Muslims have their religious fanatics.

    Peace.

    *Note: When I told a friend that Baghdadi may have a Phd in Arabic, he literally started laughing - which is the proper response of any student of sacred knowledge who has any sense of our tradition.

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  219. David says:
    @NoseytheDuke
    Enoch Powell was a far greater prophet than Winston Churchill

    Rivers of Blood is pretty good but Churchill as quoted by Robert Fisk in 2006 is the more remarkable:

    This is Winston Churchill writing in a totally forgotten essay. He reflected upon the future and wrote of the impossibility of a partitioned Palestine. And he talked of how, I quote — this is Winston Churchill in 1937 — “The wealthy, crowded, progressive Jewish state” — see, it doesn’t exist yet, but he’s already getting it right — “lies in the plains and on the sea coast of Palestine. Around it, in the hills and the uplands, stretching far and wide into the illimitable deserts, the warlike Arabs of Syria of Transjordania, of Arabia, backed by the armed forces of Iraq, offer the ceaseless menace of war. To maintain itself,” — 1937, remember, — “To maintain itself, the Jewish state will have to be armed to the teeth and must bring in every able-bodied man to strengthen its army. But how long will this process be allowed to continue by the great Arab populations in Iraq and Palestine? Can it be expected that the Arabs would stand by impassively and watch the building up, with Jewish world capital and resources, of a Jewish army, equipped with the most deadly weapons of war until it was strong enough not to be afraid of them? And if ever the Jewish army reached that point, who can be sure,” Churchill asked, “that, cramped within their narrow limits, they would not plunge out into the new undeveloped lands that lay around them?”

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    Certainly a prescient speech David but it didn't require an especially well polished crystal ball to work that out, just some exposure to the ME and its history.

    Powell on the other hand was speaking out in Britain about the future of Britain at a time when few if any others did and history has proven him to be right on the money. I still maintain that his was the greater prophecy and his was excoriated for it in his retirement.

    As a rebellious young pup attending an English art school, one sure way to disrupt the classroom was to ask a question about him, "Please Sir, how do you spell Enoch?" the response was fierce outrage and sure to trigger classroom chaos. Happy days!
    , @jack ryan
    Kind of sick of Winston Churchill.

    What was the size of the British Empire when Churchill took office?

    What was it when he died?

    What is it now?

    My God' the British/English have almost lost London England - it's Londonstan!

    Face it, Winston Churchill and the British lost everything in World War I, World War II.
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  220. David says:
    @daniel le mouche
    unfortunately, joe, you are perhaps right. like everyone else in america, i (all immigrant stock) had to deal with you anglo motherfuckers my whole life. give me celtic humor, pizza, a nice bottle of red, some opera and catholicism!!

    and somebody give him orthography

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  221. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @animalogic
    I have another question, seemingly not overwhelmingly important ANYWHERE.
    Was this Masood man a terrorist or a scumbag psychotic ?
    At this point it's not clear either way: late convert to Islam, spent # of years in Saudi (born in UK) , long history of petty crimes & assaults. Family man, quiet, gardener, neighbour said was OK, some kind of intelligence investigation years ago -- found to be "low risk". No known "network" - but 10 or so associates being held for aid/abet .
    Reminds me of the cretin in Sydney, who held hostages in a chocolate shop. He invented connection to ISIS (or who ever) to give his pathetic vicious antics some "meaning". Terrorist ? Or major dead-Shit ?

    what do you get for jihad?

    atonement for sins and a VIP ticket to heaven

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  222. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @daniel le mouche
    unfortunately, joe, you are perhaps right. like everyone else in america, i (all immigrant stock) had to deal with you anglo motherfuckers my whole life. give me celtic humor, pizza, a nice bottle of red, some opera and catholicism!!

    you’ve got haemochromatosis

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_overload

    either eat more iron rich foods and get the heart attack over quickly so we don’t have to listen to you or get it checked so we don’t have to listen to you

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    ron unz must be so proud, to have created the website of hate, where angry whites can go to swap statistics, feelings, war stories and more. you can compare iq's, percentages of racial makeup, and many other uplifting topics. you can feel collective strength in bashing jews, gays, muzzies, nigras, pakis....you name it. all upstanding members of the community, too! by golly, it seems i've come to the wrong site/parallel universe. may consciousness, heart, logic and goodwill one day prevail!
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  223. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @KenH

    Do your research please come back with more professional and academic sources if you want the largest blood libel in history to be placed at the feet of Muslims. Let’s not be lazy and post links to random Hindutva or Christian polemics websites – I’m willing to debate this, but I don’t feel like wasting my time.
     
    Excuse me? A couple of your links purporting to show that Europe has had the bloodiest history in the world weren't exactly highly clinical and academic treatments of the issue. The claim of 66 million deaths in WWII is false as the commonly accepted figure is approx. 50 million which should be reduced to 44-45 million when you subtract the dubious claims of six million Jewish deaths. Even though WWII was an unprecedented bloodbath I still think that number is a bit too high.

    The difference in this case is that Europeans have killed mostly each other and not Muslims. Tamerlane/Timur, the self styled "Sword of Islam" responsible for 17 million deaths killed mostly non-Muslims. Why didn't Islamic dogma make him peaceful and tolerant? Can you name any Christian or Buddhist leader from the past who's responsible for killing millions of Muslims?


    Are you ****ing ****ing me??!! Fully armed navies and air forces have been moving between the East and the West and I can guarantee you they have only been moving in one direction. The boat people assaulting the shores of Europe are not like the boat people that land on Muslim shores – usually they are called Marines.
     
    No need to be obtuse. Iraq or any Muslim nation is no longer being overwhelmed by U.S. marines and the marines' objective wasn't and isn't to promote Christianity at the expense of Islam. The primary cause of Muslim deaths the last several years at least if not more has been.....other Muslims.

    I'll make this easy for you. Can you provide documentary evidence where indigenous Christian communities in Egypt, Iraq, Syria, Pakistan, Europe or America are persecuting, kidnapping, killing, raping or destroying the property of Muslims?


    They’ve destroyed plenty of mosques, they have blown up plenty of imams too, they even drone weddings and turn plenty of Muslim kids into hamburger. Are you seriously watching the score? Are you saying the piles of non-Muslim bodies in Europe over the last couple of decades comes even remotely close to the piles of bodies in the Muslim world?
     
    There were mosques being used to store weapons and stage attacks, so yes, some of those got destroyed. So Muslim armies, invading or otherwise, wouldn't destroy Christian churches or Buddhist temples that were being used to stage violent attacks on them? How do you think the Muslim Turks would react given their bloody history? Aren't some or more than some of these "Muslim bodies" those of the extremists whom you say you decry and therefore aren't truly Muslim? So why shed any tears for them?

    ISIS has destroyed a few Sunni mosques and some Shiite mosques. Is that less objectionable because the destroyers are Muslim?

    How come Muslim terrorists and extremists are "Muslims" (i.e., not truly Muslim) but that any Muslim killed by a Western drone strike, bomb, or other method, even if an extremist or friendly to the extremist cause is a Muslim worthy of the world's sorrow? You're trying to have your cake and eat it, too.


    If people in Europe and the US are serious about wanting to stunt this madness they should encourage Muslims to keep to their traditional Islam (the one that has consistently denounced this behavior), not demand or support reformation (which is where all these extremist strains come from),
     
    That's debatable. ISIS caliph Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi holds a Phd in Islamic theology and says his version is the true and "traditional" form. Spare me the retort about Islamic scholars who disagree with him. Might makes right and the scholars who disagree are losing badly. Do your credentials rival Al Baghdadi's?

    There is no clear consensus in the Muslim world as to what "traditional Islam" is or means anyway, so the West should simply bar them from entering their nations. Muslims have proven largely antagonistic and unassimilable to their gracious Western hosts. And yes, the West should stop meddling in the affairs of Muslim nations and allow them to resolve their own issues in their own ways.


    We certainly have our work cut out trying to reduce the influence and spread of our extremists, no doubt about it – the actions of the West are not helping at all.
     
    We finally see eye to eye on something.

    If you want to use ‘Muslim’ in general terms in the place whenever some minority extremists do nonsense, then can we use ‘Christian’ in place any political violence is committed by certain Christians?

    C’mon man let’s get real here.
     

    Yes, let's. See my answer above. You arbitrarily excommunicate Muslim extremists from the umma but when those same Muslims or their supporters perish at the hands of U.S. military action then they become Muslim in the general sense so you can guilt trip the West. If you are convinced that "Christians" presumably in the form of the U.S. military have killed Muslims in the name of religion then please provide sources where generals and troops have cited Biblical scripture as a legal and moral framework for the invasion and acts of violence that followed.

    With few exception, the U.S. military serves as proxy for the state of Israel in the Middle East.

    A couple of your links purporting to show that Europe has had the bloodiest history in the world weren’t exactly highly clinical and academic treatments of the issue.

    A lot of that is having more advanced technology since the industrial revolution.

    If we compare Europe before the industrial revolution to everywhere else before the industrial revolution then places like China / India / Middle east etc would be well ahead simply because they had much higher population density for most of that time.

    The Mongols are probably number one per capita because so few of them managed to kill so many other people armed with just swords and arrows.

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  224. @anon
    you've got haemochromatosis

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_overload

    either eat more iron rich foods and get the heart attack over quickly so we don't have to listen to you or get it checked so we don't have to listen to you

    ron unz must be so proud, to have created the website of hate, where angry whites can go to swap statistics, feelings, war stories and more. you can compare iq’s, percentages of racial makeup, and many other uplifting topics. you can feel collective strength in bashing jews, gays, muzzies, nigras, pakis….you name it. all upstanding members of the community, too! by golly, it seems i’ve come to the wrong site/parallel universe. may consciousness, heart, logic and goodwill one day prevail!

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    you can feel collective strength in bashing jews, gays, muzzies, nigras, pakis….you name it

    libtards, SJW hypocrites, oligarchs, plutocrats, sewer pond scum pork chopping politicians, warmongers, sex perverts, race hustlers, rent seekers, free speech opponents, etc.

    , @anon
    get yourself checked for haemochromatosis before you give yourself a heart attack
    , @NoseytheDuke
    Pot meet kettle. A few posts ago you maligned the entire nation of Australians because a post from one Australian upset you. As they say downunder, have a nice cup of tea and a Becks and take a good lie down.
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  225. iffen says:
    @daniel le mouche
    ron unz must be so proud, to have created the website of hate, where angry whites can go to swap statistics, feelings, war stories and more. you can compare iq's, percentages of racial makeup, and many other uplifting topics. you can feel collective strength in bashing jews, gays, muzzies, nigras, pakis....you name it. all upstanding members of the community, too! by golly, it seems i've come to the wrong site/parallel universe. may consciousness, heart, logic and goodwill one day prevail!

    you can feel collective strength in bashing jews, gays, muzzies, nigras, pakis….you name it

    libtards, SJW hypocrites, oligarchs, plutocrats, sewer pond scum pork chopping politicians, warmongers, sex perverts, race hustlers, rent seekers, free speech opponents, etc.

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  226. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @daniel le mouche
    ron unz must be so proud, to have created the website of hate, where angry whites can go to swap statistics, feelings, war stories and more. you can compare iq's, percentages of racial makeup, and many other uplifting topics. you can feel collective strength in bashing jews, gays, muzzies, nigras, pakis....you name it. all upstanding members of the community, too! by golly, it seems i've come to the wrong site/parallel universe. may consciousness, heart, logic and goodwill one day prevail!

    get yourself checked for haemochromatosis before you give yourself a heart attack

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  227. Svigor says:

    JR is far too certain about things he can’t rationally be so dogmatic about.

    This applies to the Konspiracy Kooks in general; another point in favor of my theory that it’s a secular religion.

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  228. dfordoom says: • Website
    @animalogic
    I have another question, seemingly not overwhelmingly important ANYWHERE.
    Was this Masood man a terrorist or a scumbag psychotic ?
    At this point it's not clear either way: late convert to Islam, spent # of years in Saudi (born in UK) , long history of petty crimes & assaults. Family man, quiet, gardener, neighbour said was OK, some kind of intelligence investigation years ago -- found to be "low risk". No known "network" - but 10 or so associates being held for aid/abet .
    Reminds me of the cretin in Sydney, who held hostages in a chocolate shop. He invented connection to ISIS (or who ever) to give his pathetic vicious antics some "meaning". Terrorist ? Or major dead-Shit ?

    Was this Masood man a terrorist or a scumbag psychotic ?

    Underlying psychosis or paranoia combined with cannabis use might well explain it.

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  229. @Wizard of Oz
    JR is far too certain about things he can't rationally be so dogmatic about. So unless one can comfortably slip into his mental universe without screaming cognitive dissonance its better to stay clear. Actually I have looked at/read a lot of material related to both 9/11 and the JFK assassination and, while having zero emotional involvement in the issues, have entertained such ideas as JFK having been accidentallly shot by a secret serviceman and
    Mossad just possibly having a better knowledge of what the highjackers were up to than the FBI or CIA did:or, alternatively, that some Saudi Royals were involved with Al Qaeda and its plans. But none of the various smoking guns or definitive physical proofs or supposedly unanswered questions have left me believing there is still some great conspiracy to be disclosed.

    Sorry Wiz but the cognitive dissonance is entirely your own and for evidence of this I cite the very post I am responding to. We can agree however that Mossad had better knowledge of what the hijackers were up to., commendable honesty on your part even if it was accidental.

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