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The Israeli Prime Minister Bibi Netanyahu is the friendly calf of the Russian proverb who sucks two cows. After his rather successful meeting with President Trump, he went to the enemy No.1 of the United States, and to his good friend, President Putin, in chilly Moscow, where he always gets a warm reception.

This time he came just before Purim, the jolly Jewish feast, when the Jews celebrate their legendary rise to prominence in Persia, some 2500 years ago. This feast (coming this Sunday March 12) was very much on the mind of two men. To keep up with tradition, Netanyahu was supposed to bring his host some Purim sweets, homentashen in Yiddisch, or “Haman ears”, triangular pastries filled with jam.

One of the nicest street scenes you can observe in the Orthodox Jewish quarter of Jerusalem, Mea Shearim, is played on the next day, when perfectly dressed in 18th century garb dainty maidens carry neat willow baskets with sweets, shalahmones to their friends and relatives, like so many Little Red Riding Hoods. Purim is the Jewish carnival, Mardi Gras, and it almost coincides with the beginning of Christian Lent. Carnival is the time for doing things topsy-turvy: Jews get drunk and boisterous; in the old days they were likely to manhandle a Christian, preferably a priest and generally indulged in wayward frolics.

Putin, friendly as ever, wished his guest joyous Purim, and Bibi, as on the cue, immediately revealed the reason for his visit. Persians wanted to kill Jews on that day, but God prevented that, he said. Nowadays Iranians, who are the Persians, want to kill the Jews, but the Jewish state is strong etc. Bibi came to ask Putin to drop Iran; to remove Iranian fighters from Syria; block Iranian transit to Lebanon; or even to join an anti-Iranian coalition, and this reference to Purim had been an argument in defence of his audacious request.

Putin has been framed to play the part of Artaxerxes, the silly Persian king, who had been convinced by the arch-seductress Esther to arrange for mass killings of the enemies of the Jews and for giving the Jews the preferential treatment they enjoy to this very day. Bibi played the part of Esther in this short Purim-Spiel (Purim Play), traditional comic performance the Jews usually enacted on Purim. He tried to entice Putin with prospect of joining President Trump, the Saudi King and himself against the evil Persians.

Netanyahu was worried that the Syrian war is almost over (he’d love it to last forever, until the last Syrian), and the Iranians who contributed so much to Damascus victory will probably stay and keep their Hezbollah friends in Lebanon resupplied. And it means Israel won’t be able to bomb Lebanese and Syrians as freely as she had been accustomed to. Russians never used their S-400 missiles against Israeli jets when they intruded into Syria, but Iranians perhaps won’t be that reluctant to respond. Just a few days ago the Iranians demonstrated their Russian-supplied S-300 system is fully operational.

Netanyahu could try and tempt Putin with his ability to mobilise Israel Lobby on his side, and to end anti-Russian hysterics in Washington. The Jews have a lot of power in the US; surely the Jewish state’s Prime Minister can swing them the way he likes, if Putin agrees to his demands. And Trump had made some very anti-Iranian statements, to make the suggestion plausible.

Many people were anxious to see how Putin will respond to his Jewish seducer. Putin laughed him off. Even if you never watch videos, I strongly suggest to see with your own eyes these few seconds of mirthful laugh, of totally relaxed Russian President who listened to the Israeli Prime Minister as the indulgent father to an insistent son who just had tried an umpteenth time to trick him to buy a dangerous toy. No way, son, – thought Putin, and he said: “that was 2500 years ago. Now we live in a different world”.

I was not particularly anxious, as a few days ago this very dialogue had been dress-rehearsed, by Russian Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs Mr Michael Bogdanov and the journalists of Al Hayat, the prominent Saudi-owned Arab newspaper of record published in London. Bogdanov is an excellent diplomat, smart, good-looking, spiritual, intellectual and knowledgeable. He served as the Russian Ambassador in Tel Aviv and Cairo, and he knows everybody who is somebody in the Middle East by his first name. Now he is also the special representative of the President in the Middle East. He is a man who knows Russian foreign policy in the Middle East as well as anybody. His responses could not be far-removed from Putin’s views.

He was grilled by Raed Jabr, the Moscow correspondent of Al Hayat, a dark and svelte Palestinian who represents mainstream Arab view prevalent from Riyadh to Beirut. Do you remember the favourite line of U.S. presidents and legislators that “there is no light between the U.S. and Israel”? Judging by Jabr’s persistent questions, there is no light between Israel and Saudi Arabia, too.

Time after time, Al Hayat man asked when and whether Iranians will withdraw from Syria. Mr Bogdanov replied: In Syria there are tens of thousands of foreign volunteers, thousands of Tunisians, Moroccans and Afghanis, while the Iranians, like the Russians, are in Syria by request of the legitimate government, and only the legitimate government can issue them walking orders. “The official leadership may demand all foreign forces to withdraw after reaching a solution”.

His words were imprecisely but fluently rendered by the WaPo “The lawful authorities who will be lawfully chosen in Syria would be the ones with the right to demand the withdrawal of all foreign powers from the country,” Bogdanov said. Actually Bogdanov spoke only of legitimate government after the settlement, not necessarily of a government chosen in this or other way.

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Bogdanov rejected the talk about the export of the Iranian revolution, and the alleged Iranian desire to expand their influence in the Middle East, in particular in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and Bahrain. He called for US and Iranian rapprochement with Saudi participation. In Syria he called for a secular system, not a Shiite and not a Sunni Muslim and not a Christian, comes by way of free, fair and transparent elections at home and abroad including the participation of refugees in neighbouring and non-neighbouring countries, under the auspices of the United Nations.

Bogdanov complained that the US wants to keep Iran out of negotiations on Syria. “Americans are working without respect for international laws. We must respect the sovereignty of Syria, a member state of the United Nations.” He is clearly pessimistic about dealing with Syrian rebels: “They say, the revolution does not end until after the overthrow of the regime, when Bashar al-Assad and his clique will be brought to an international court. With this goal, the war can go on forever.”

He rejected the idea of Iran exporting its Islamic revolution. “Iranians say the Islamic Revolution was an internal affair to meet the interests of the Iranian people.” He reminded of Iranian military presence in Oman in 1970s at the request of the legitimate government. When the troubles were over, the Iranians had left Oman without an argument.

He called for the Russian-brokered talks between Iran and Saudis, in Moscow or elsewhere. Bogdanov also rejected the Saudi view of Yemen war (Saudis think they are entitled to deal with Yemen, but Iran should stay away). He rejected Turkish attitude to Kurds in Syria (“Why Turkey agreed on Iraqi Kurdistan, but does not agree to the Kurdistan in Syria? I think that this is not their business. This is an Iraqi affair and the Syrian affair. Syrian people and not the Russian or Turkish state should decide”.)

He summed up Russian policy: “Russia wants to abide by international legitimacy. We are committed to the principle of non-interference in the internal affairs of any country, including non-interference in our internal affairs. We respect the democratic process and not the colour revolutions. For coming to terms by the parties, the principle of no victor or vanquished is the best”.

This interview of Mikhail Bogdanov fully answers the question whether Russia will possibly act against Iran in any way. No chance. In politics, many things are possible. Politics is not a boy scout game. I am aware of realpolitik. But there is absolutely no real reasons for Russia to give up on Iran in exchange for some obscure Purim promises of Mr Netanyahu.

The US and Israel became well-known by their perfidious acts. From Philippines to Egypt and to Azerbaijan, the countries that once were pro-American, had suffered betrayal and turned away from Washington. The US is not a reliable partner anymore. Perhaps if Mr Trump will overcome the Pink Revolution in his country and establish himself as a real ruler, he will restore American trustworthiness. But meanwhile the US is not trustworthy. As for Israeli double-dealing, it is enough to check how Israelis had kept their promises made in Oslo to the Palestinians. Iranians are less than straightforward, but they are allies and fight shoulder-to-shoulder with the Russians in Syria, where the endgame is close but is not over yet. So simple realpolitik tells Russians to stick with them and reject Bibi’s offers.

But Israelis are insistent. A few days ago, Israeli defence minister Mr Avigdor Lieberman called (in the interview for Die Welt) to create a “NATO-like” military alliance of Israel, Saudi Arabia, Gulf states against Iran and against Shias. So the Jewish state has had fully assimilated in its region as a part of pro-Western reactionary Sunni block. It is not an odd man out anymore.

There is way out. It is to promote a compromise between Saudis and Iran. The feud between two states is very old, much older than the Islamic revolution, but there were compromises before, notably in mid-1970s, and now they are ripe for a new compromise. Saudis had spent too much of money on destabilisation in Syria and on hopeless war in Yemen. Russians may push them to settle. And that would put Israeli ambitions for a new round of wars to rest.

But for that, the Pink Revolution in Washington should be defeated, and President Trump should proceed with demilitarisation of the US foreign policy. The alternative, a war with Iran, is too awful to contemplate.

And Bibi? He received a consolation prize: a very meaningful Purim gift from Putin. Not a head of Iranian fighter on a silver plate, neither sweets or Haman Ears in willow basket, but a 500-years-old book, The Jewish War of Josephus. This is a well-chosen book, likely to remind unruly Bibi that it is better to compromise than to try and reach for the sky. The Jews of Josephus could have it very good under benevolent Rome, but they overreached themselves and came to disaster.

Or, perhaps, Putin had in mind another sentence from Flavius saying: the Jews had a picture of the Persian capital on a gate of their temple so they would never forget that the Persians returned the temple to the Jews, and that they, the Persians, should be respected and feared by the Jews forever.

Israel Shamir can be reached at adam@israelshamir.net

This article was first published at The Unz Review.

 
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  1. I know that it us very hard for Israelis to contemplate that there is somebody who is not obedient. However, the internal conflict in the US is not too good an omen for their domination of ME. Thus they are trying to drive a wedge into the alliance with better long term prospects: Russia, Iran, Syria, China.

    Well, after mighty Trump licked Nutty Yahoo!’s ass, he got a very different reception from Putin. Just watching this short video makes you fall in love with Putin’s style with a smile – all respect and friendship to you, but shove your machinations were sun does not shine.

    PS. This just reminds me how Putin handled a similar Saudi attempts to loosen up the enemy alliance. Saudi Bandar (a prince, but who is not a prince in Saudi Barbaria) promised to unleash terrorists on Sochi Olympics if Putin did not do as Bandar said. Putin sent him home without a book as a present. Soon after Bandar was gone.

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  2. likely to manhandle a Christian, preferably a priest

    Some priests enjoy a little manhandling.

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  3. This is fine journalism! Picks up newsworthy bits, reads a high level meeting, knowledge of background, all woven into a perceptive interpretation of what is actually happening. Thank you.

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  4. @iffen
    likely to manhandle a Christian, preferably a priest

    Some priests enjoy a little manhandling.

    So do many rabbis.

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    • Replies: @schmenz
    So, I would guess, does iffen.
    , @jacques sheete
    What kind of minds come up with this stuff???

    ““…metzitzah b'peh, in which the practitioner, or mohel, places his mouth around the baby’s penis to “cleanse” the wound and suck away blood,

    “In 2000, the city began requiring parents to sign consent forms acknowledging the health risks of this practice following a string of incidents that included 13 cases of herpes, with two resulting in brain damage and two others in death, according to Medical Daily.”

    http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/04/08/two-infants-contract-herpes-following-circumcision-one-tests-positive-for-hiv/

     

  5. @Veritatis
    This is fine journalism! Picks up newsworthy bits, reads a high level meeting, knowledge of background, all woven into a perceptive interpretation of what is actually happening. Thank you.

    Thank you! I do it for you))

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    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
    Dear Israel Shamir,

    First off, I want to thank you for this outstanding article which I read during the start of a N.E. Pennsylvania snowstorm that is now making my hometown look like Siberia!

    Second, and thanks to diligent commenters on The Unz Review, I learned about President Putin's gift of Flavius's 500-year old book to P.M. Netanyahu.

    If you can, and as I have done a measure of study on Russian history, I ask if you can consider my theory (below) that Vladimir Putin's "gift" might be a very clever double entendre?

    During the latter 15th century and going into the 16th century, "Old Believer"resistance to Orthodoxy became quite a religious force in Russia. By mid-1500's, an obscure Russian monk explicitly stated that Moscow was destined to become "The Third Rome."

    (Please Note: The 1st "Rome" was of course Rome, the 2nd Byzantium's Constantinople, and course according to mystical monk, Filofei, the 3rd is Moscow which was destined to be THE NEW JERUSALEM)

    What now has me rather intellectually "hot & bothered" is the fact that President Donald Trump is trying to commit the U.S.A. to an insane nuclear modernisation plan that the Congressional Budget Office forecast to cost $400 billion up to 2026. Where will the money come from? More borrowing? And raising taxes?

    A question, admittedly rather wild, Mr. Shamir? Is the already financially & socially broken U.S.A. digging it's own ruinous grave, and (deliberately?) setting the stage for the actualization of respected historian Paul Kennedy's theory about world Empires' documented impulse for deficit spending and placing themselves on a trajectory toward extinction?

    As President Trump boasts how he will build the U.S. military to "the top of the pack" and frighten all competitors, i.e. Russia, could such excessive expenditures actually turn out & become a Russian advantage for the most of the next decade?

    For me, (and I'm a school bus driver & not a monk like the late-Filofei), it makes rather logical sense for Putin and B. Netanyahu to entertain the fact of U.S. demise and Russia's standing as The Third Rome and the city of Moscow as "The New Jerusalem."

    Essentially, in a nutshell, I believe Putin's "gift" to P.M. Netanyahu brought forth an understandable & intriguing double entendre. For the present convulsive time, the failing & militarily aggressive U.S.A. can move its embassy to Jerusalem, but the far seeing Zionist Jews, including those rabidly secular, could look forward to building a new Temple in downtown Moscow!

    Finally for those who would like to learn about Russian "Old Believers" and the Third Rome
    concept, below is an informative academic paper written by Alar Laats from the K.S.K. College of Engineering and Technology. (Please note that due to China's 1979 "1-Child Family" policy, it's projected that within five years, India will become the world's most populous country)

    As you please Alar Laats' article is "linked," below?

    http://www.ksk.edu.ee/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/KVUOA_Toimetised_12-Laats.pdf

    Thanks again, Israel, for writing such a meaningful article! Soon I'll be out and digging our family car from out of snow drift!
  6. Joseph and Moses in Egypt, and Esther in Persia; compulsively repeating the script interminably, direcing and starring in it.

    There arose a Pharaoh who knew not Jospeh

    That gap in the script, the abrupt scene change that exonerates, is hard-wired into the Jewish psyche.

    Or the one about Haman being the “world’s richest man”. Google can show you that this charge was leveled against Saddam Hussein, Gaddafi, Putin, Hitler by Jewish journalists.

    That this eternal piece of grand ethnic theater might not repeat and validate Jewish self-conception vis-a-vis the nations is the real Jewish existential crisis. And maybe the worst part is that it’s all ancient ethno-propaganda and never actually happened.

    Perhaps that it’s a lie is why the show must go on.

    An extremenly dangerous people made of words, driven by ethnomythological compulsions.

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    • Replies: @Druid
    I have come to the conclusion that most of it is fabrication!
    , @Ivan
    That Joseph story was a real humdinger. Imagine at start 7 year famine for your
    average Egyptian landholder;

    year 0: Plant and hope
    year 1: Eat up the seedcorn
    year 2: Sell the family silver
    year 3: Borrow money
    year 4: Sell the daughters
    year 5: Sell the sons
    year 6: Die

    But we should really care that 'there came someone who knew not Joseph', the man who sought to profit from this.
    , @Anon
    Keith says:

    "Perhaps that it's a lie is why the show must go on".


    Are you referring to the Exodus, Purim, and the Holocaust?

    The mother of all lies: God was in the real estate business and gave his "Chosen"
    Israel. To get it; kill every man, women, child and cattle.

    Did God give permission for the first genocide in the Bible... or was it Satan?


    And... the show goes on!
    , @Ram
    Multiple books which oppose the Judaic narrative are banned by Amazon (under Rabbinic orders) to preserve the lie.
  7. @HBM
    Joseph and Moses in Egypt, and Esther in Persia; compulsively repeating the script interminably, direcing and starring in it.

    There arose a Pharaoh who knew not Jospeh

    That gap in the script, the abrupt scene change that exonerates, is hard-wired into the Jewish psyche.

    Or the one about Haman being the "world's richest man". Google can show you that this charge was leveled against Saddam Hussein, Gaddafi, Putin, Hitler by Jewish journalists.

    That this eternal piece of grand ethnic theater might not repeat and validate Jewish self-conception vis-a-vis the nations is the real Jewish existential crisis. And maybe the worst part is that it's all ancient ethno-propaganda and never actually happened.

    Perhaps that it's a lie is why the show must go on.

    An extremenly dangerous people made of words, driven by ethnomythological compulsions.

    I have come to the conclusion that most of it is fabrication!

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  8. For a certain type of Jew, the rest of us are always on probation. Satanyahoo apparently forgot Cyrus the Great who restored the ancient Hebrews to their homeland was a Persian king. No good deed goes unpunished as the Americans say. Before I got sick of the peculiar special pleading of Jewish apologists, I did not notice that every characteristic that they accuse Muslims of harbouring, viz, ancient grudges, self-righteousness, a marked inability to see the other person’s point of view, myth-making from meagre facts etc. etc., are displayed to a similar extent among themselves.

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    • Replies: @anarchyst
    Actually Muslims and Jews ARE related and can be compared to "squabbling relatives"...Both the Islamic Qur'an and Jewish Talmud have virtually identical passages that promote each cult's brand of supremacy over others (unbelievers).
    The Talmud states that non-believers are the equivalent of "livestock" to be used for the advantage of the Jew. Punishments for outsiders who transgress against Jews and Muslims are much greater that punishments for Jews and Muslims who commit criminal acts against outsiders.
    One difference between Judaism and Islam is the way Jesus Christ is treated.
    The Jewish Talmud regards Jesus Christ as an apostate, boiling in excrement for eternity while his mother Mary is considered a harlot who consorted with a Roman soldier.
    Islam regards Jesus Christ as a great prophet...not the "Son of God", but a great prophet, nonetheless. His mother Mary is specifically mentioned in the Qur'an and is given a place of high honor.
    There are many instances of Jews spitting on and harassing Christians in Israel...
    Now which belief system has a greater hatred of Christianity??
    , @Max Havelaar
    The one who shouts and points the finger, usually is the bigger criminal: Satanyahu, the massmurderer of Gazans.
  9. @HBM
    Joseph and Moses in Egypt, and Esther in Persia; compulsively repeating the script interminably, direcing and starring in it.

    There arose a Pharaoh who knew not Jospeh

    That gap in the script, the abrupt scene change that exonerates, is hard-wired into the Jewish psyche.

    Or the one about Haman being the "world's richest man". Google can show you that this charge was leveled against Saddam Hussein, Gaddafi, Putin, Hitler by Jewish journalists.

    That this eternal piece of grand ethnic theater might not repeat and validate Jewish self-conception vis-a-vis the nations is the real Jewish existential crisis. And maybe the worst part is that it's all ancient ethno-propaganda and never actually happened.

    Perhaps that it's a lie is why the show must go on.

    An extremenly dangerous people made of words, driven by ethnomythological compulsions.

    That Joseph story was a real humdinger. Imagine at start 7 year famine for your
    average Egyptian landholder;

    year 0: Plant and hope
    year 1: Eat up the seedcorn
    year 2: Sell the family silver
    year 3: Borrow money
    year 4: Sell the daughters
    year 5: Sell the sons
    year 6: Die

    But we should really care that ‘there came someone who knew not Joseph’, the man who sought to profit from this.

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  10. Netanyahu never tells the truth. Poor guy doesn’t get much sleep. He even dreams about Iran. That persian monster just can’t leave poor Netanyahu alone. However, Iran’s Foreign Minister Javad Zarif gave Netanyahu some history and biblical lessons.

    Zarif said Netanyahu distorts both the current reality and the writings in Jewish sources and the Bible.

    “It is unfortunate that Mr. Netanyahu now totally distorts realities of today,” Zarif said. “He even distorts his own scripture. If you read the book of Esther, you will see that it was the Iranian king who saved the Jews. …

    “It is truly, truly regrettable that bigotry gets to the point of making allegations against an entire nation which has saved Jews three times in its history: once during that time of a prime minister who was trying to kill the Jews, and the king saved the Jews; again during the time of Cyrus the Great, where he saved the Jews from Babylon, and during the Second World War, where Iran saved the Jews.”

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    @HBM
    Joseph and Moses in Egypt, and Esther in Persia; compulsively repeating the script interminably, direcing and starring in it.

    There arose a Pharaoh who knew not Jospeh

    That gap in the script, the abrupt scene change that exonerates, is hard-wired into the Jewish psyche.

    Or the one about Haman being the "world's richest man". Google can show you that this charge was leveled against Saddam Hussein, Gaddafi, Putin, Hitler by Jewish journalists.

    That this eternal piece of grand ethnic theater might not repeat and validate Jewish self-conception vis-a-vis the nations is the real Jewish existential crisis. And maybe the worst part is that it's all ancient ethno-propaganda and never actually happened.

    Perhaps that it's a lie is why the show must go on.

    An extremenly dangerous people made of words, driven by ethnomythological compulsions.

    Keith says:

    “Perhaps that it’s a lie is why the show must go on”.

    Are you referring to the Exodus, Purim, and the Holocaust?

    The mother of all lies: God was in the real estate business and gave his “Chosen”
    Israel. To get it; kill every man, women, child and cattle.

    Did God give permission for the first genocide in the Bible… or was it Satan?

    And… the show goes on!

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  12. The anti Russian propaganda seemed to have died down recently, let see if it starts back up again. I noticed a couple of hostile articles in today’s Times, Rupert Murdoch’s neocon mouthpiece.

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  13. > There is way out. It is to promote a compromise between Saudis and Iran. The feud between two states is very old, much older than the Islamic revolution, but

    …but hope springs eternal in the heart of Israel Shamir, that he can do or SOMETHING that will change the fact that, in 20 years, no one will quote him; but in 3000 years, pretty young Hebrew policewomen will STILL be writing the parking tickets in Jerusalem. Just like they were 3000 years ago.

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    • Replies: @Pachyderm Pachyderma
    To what the pretty Hebrew woman was handing out the tickets 3000 years ago? Bullock carts misplaced in the front of the Temple!
  14. “…in the old days they were likely to manhandle a Christian, preferably a priest…”

    Citation?

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    • Replies: @jacques sheete

    Citation?
     
    I agree that such a claim should be cited.

    I wonder if he was referring to Lenin's directives or something earlier.


    Now and only now, when people are being
    eaten
    in famine-stricken areas, and hundreds, if not thousands, of
    corpses lie on the roads, we can (and therefore must) pursue the
    removal of church property with the most frenzied and ruthless
    energy and not hesitate to put down the least opposition.

    In order to get our hands on this fund of several
    hundred million gold rubles (and perhaps even several hundred
    billion), we must do whatever is necessary.

    The greater the number of
    representatives of the reactionary clergy and the reactionary
    bourgeoisie that we succeed in shooting on this occasion, the better…

    Letter from Lenin to Molotov, March 19, 1922, Marked, “Top Secret For members of the Politburo”


    https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/archives/ae2bkhun.html

     

    Note that Lenin did not mention any other than Christian property in the letter.
  15. … but a 500-years-old book, The Jewish War of Josephus.

    ????

    Was the book itself an antique copy of Josephus’ work? The way it’s written, someone could be lead to think that he wrote it a mere 500 years ago. It was written ~2000 years ago and is well worth a read for anyone interested in today’s geopolitics.

    Them there wandering, eternal, “victims” know how to work things.

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    • Replies: @Lyttenburgh

    Was the book itself an antique copy of Josephus’ work? The way it’s written, someone could be lead to think that he wrote it a mere 500 years ago. It was written ~2000 years ago and is well worth a read for anyone interested in today’s geopolitics.
     
    No, just 1526 copy, published in Tuscanian dialect of the Italian. Probably, was one of the earliest printed books from the Italies.

    Source: http://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/4082858
    , @Ilyana_Rozumova
    Josephus is an invented figure never existed.
    Events of Jo ois uprising including story of Mosada was recorded by Roman historian Cornelius.
    Everything written under name Josephus is a partial copy and forgery.
  16. Judging by Jabr’s persistent questions, there is no light between Israel and Saudi Arabia, too.

    Israeli Zionism and Saudi Wahhabism are kindred souls. Ancient, mean, and super tribal.

    (And oh yes’ the tie that binds. They bank together also.)

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  17. @5371
    So do many rabbis.

    What kind of minds come up with this stuff???

    ““…metzitzah b’peh, in which the practitioner, or mohel, places his mouth around the baby’s penis to “cleanse” the wound and suck away blood,

    “In 2000, the city began requiring parents to sign consent forms acknowledging the health risks of this practice following a string of incidents that included 13 cases of herpes, with two resulting in brain damage and two others in death, according to Medical Daily.”

    http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/04/08/two-infants-contract-herpes-following-circumcision-one-tests-positive-for-hiv/

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  18. arch-seductress Esther

    Why the smear? Have you not read the Book of Esther? She was anything but a seductress.

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    • Replies: @Art

    arch-seductress Esther

    Why the smear? Have you not read the Book of Esther? She was anything but a seductress.

     

    Oh my - saving the brand with another lie.

    It just goes on and on - Judaism is a house of lies. How sad.

    Peace --- Art
  19. @Ivan
    For a certain type of Jew, the rest of us are always on probation. Satanyahoo apparently forgot Cyrus the Great who restored the ancient Hebrews to their homeland was a Persian king. No good deed goes unpunished as the Americans say. Before I got sick of the peculiar special pleading of Jewish apologists, I did not notice that every characteristic that they accuse Muslims of harbouring, viz, ancient grudges, self-righteousness, a marked inability to see the other person's point of view, myth-making from meagre facts etc. etc., are displayed to a similar extent among themselves.

    Actually Muslims and Jews ARE related and can be compared to “squabbling relatives”…Both the Islamic Qur’an and Jewish Talmud have virtually identical passages that promote each cult’s brand of supremacy over others (unbelievers).
    The Talmud states that non-believers are the equivalent of “livestock” to be used for the advantage of the Jew. Punishments for outsiders who transgress against Jews and Muslims are much greater that punishments for Jews and Muslims who commit criminal acts against outsiders.
    One difference between Judaism and Islam is the way Jesus Christ is treated.
    The Jewish Talmud regards Jesus Christ as an apostate, boiling in excrement for eternity while his mother Mary is considered a harlot who consorted with a Roman soldier.
    Islam regards Jesus Christ as a great prophet…not the “Son of God”, but a great prophet, nonetheless. His mother Mary is specifically mentioned in the Qur’an and is given a place of high honor.
    There are many instances of Jews spitting on and harassing Christians in Israel…
    Now which belief system has a greater hatred of Christianity??

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    • Replies: @gwynedd1
    That accursed religion know as Judaism surely hates all of their spawn for which it is surely to blame. Jesus and Muhammad are in fact brothers as founders of two viral religions all spawned by Judaism. They were after all both candidates for the Messiah. They are only the most famous. Had Sabbatai Zevi or Jacob Frank more success then would have more than this. In fact its quite possible we do still have Sabbatains as a wealthy and powerful elite to this day among us.

    Anyway it works like prions in the brain which destroys healthy neurological tissue and enslaves its host with imaginary bread and mansions floating on the wind.
    , @Ilyana_Rozumova
    Muslims and Jo os are not related. Arabs and Jo os are related.
    , @lloyd
    Intriguingly, the Talmud boils Jesus for eternity in semen. The other enemies of the Jews, Titus and Balaam are boiled in excrement. In another section, these three are summoned from hell by an Emperor and asked should he persecute the Jews. Jesus alone said no because, as translated, they are the apple of his eye. I suppose these could be interpolations, but it might suggest they cursed Jesus's teaching rather than his upbringing which was Jewish of course. A moment of indulgence by the Talmud?
  20. @jacques sheete

    ... but a 500-years-old book, The Jewish War of Josephus.
     
    ????

    Was the book itself an antique copy of Josephus' work? The way it's written, someone could be lead to think that he wrote it a mere 500 years ago. It was written ~2000 years ago and is well worth a read for anyone interested in today's geopolitics.

    Them there wandering, eternal, "victims" know how to work things.

    Was the book itself an antique copy of Josephus’ work? The way it’s written, someone could be lead to think that he wrote it a mere 500 years ago. It was written ~2000 years ago and is well worth a read for anyone interested in today’s geopolitics.

    No, just 1526 copy, published in Tuscanian dialect of the Italian. Probably, was one of the earliest printed books from the Italies.

    Source: http://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/4082858

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    Thanks. I figured that but wanted to clarify it for those who are not familiar with Josephus.

    I must emphasize, again, that anyone who thinks he is entitled to an opinion on today's events needs to read and study Josephus' "Antiquities" and "Wars of the Jews" at a minimum.
  21. @Sman
    "...in the old days they were likely to manhandle a Christian, preferably a priest..."

    Citation?

    Citation?

    I agree that such a claim should be cited.

    I wonder if he was referring to Lenin’s directives or something earlier.

    Now and only now, when people are being
    eaten
    in famine-stricken areas, and hundreds, if not thousands, of
    corpses lie on the roads, we can (and therefore must) pursue the
    removal of church property with the most frenzied and ruthless
    energy and not hesitate to put down the least opposition.

    In order to get our hands on this fund of several
    hundred million gold rubles (and perhaps even several hundred
    billion), we must do whatever is necessary.

    The greater the number of
    representatives of the reactionary clergy and the reactionary
    bourgeoisie that we succeed in shooting on this occasion, the better…

    Letter from Lenin to Molotov, March 19, 1922, Marked, “Top Secret For members of the Politburo”

    https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/archives/ae2bkhun.html

    Note that Lenin did not mention any other than Christian property in the letter.

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    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
    "Note that Lenin did not mention any other 'Christian property' in his letter."

    Dear Jacques Sheete,

    Thanks for the very informative comment... you have inspired further thought!

    Later, I will reenter Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn's "Gulag Archipelago One" and check to see if there's any mention of proletariat-revolutionary sacking of Jewish property.

    F.Y.I. I do recall Solzhenitysn's having discussed (somewhere) the Tsarist era pogrom-organizing "Black Hundreds." I must search for information on the latter pogrom in order to learn about it's target. (In meantime, I know that in 1922, the (Bolshevik-driven) Moscow Church trial commenced, and Patriarch Tikhon was summoned as a witness to the Soviet tribunal, and the entire Orthodox Church was branded a "subversive organization")

    However, a rather gnatty problem for Jewish Bolsheviks was the fact that the stamp of Old Russia was still ran so deep that the Patriarch (reportedly) received a standing ovation upon his entrance into the tribunal's "Polytechnic Museum."

    Ha-ha -- Patriarch Tikhon's entrance & ovation reminded me (in reverse) of P.M. Netanyahu's royal entrance (last year) into the U.S. capital & his address to adoring (disproportionately) anti-Obama Congressmen!

    So stupidly pliable have American "voters" become? Were it all not so deadly to the U.S.A., the mass lack of awareness would be laughable.

    At any rate, J.S., I do recall how a Russian priest started the Soviet-approved "Living Church" schismatics and aided the work of GPU collaborators.

    Remarkable how history does sordidly repeat itself? For example, in the realm of the current (toppled) U.S. government, & as the old "Living Church"stood FORCEFULLY de-Christianized under Stalin, "The Living Church" has non-violently resurrected among America's vast pro-Israel churches.

    So it is definitely not strange to see how Pastor John Hagee became a best selling author under the banner of, "Support Israeli wars and facilitate prophecy, including The Second Coming!"

    Oh Jesus -- as a life long Byzantine Catholic Church member, I hope the old saying comes true, "what goes around, comes around," and Gospel-practice makes a surprise comeback here.

    Finally, J.S., if such evidence exists, I must look into the matter of Moscow Chief Rabbi persecution and seizure of Jewish property during the creation times of the New Soviet Man.

    Snow has now covered the front of our Dodge Stratus... and thanks for posting another valuable history lesson!
    , @Lyttenburgh

    I wonder if he was referring to Lenin’s directives or something earlier.
     
    You are misquoting here. I wonder, whether deliberately or not. Why not provide more quotes for those, who have an aversion for clicking at the source?

    The event at Shuia should be connected with the announcement that the Russian News Agency [ROST] recently sent to the newspapers but that was not for publication, namely, the announcement that the Black Hundreds in Petrograd were preparing to defy the decree on the removal of property of value from the churches.

    If this fact is compared with what the papers report about the attitude of the clergy to the decree on the removal of church property in addition to what we know about the illegal proclamation of Patriarch Tikhon, then it becomes perfectly clear that the Black Hundreds clergy, headed by its leader, with full deliberation is carrying out a plan at this very moment to destroy us decisively.

    It is obvious that the most influential group of the Black Hundreds clergy conceived this plan in secret meetings and that it was accepted with sufficient resolution. The events in Shuia is only
    one manifestation and actualization of this general plan.

    I think that here our opponent is making a huge strategic error by attempting to draw us into a decisive struggle now when it is especially hopeless and especially disadvantageous to him. For
    us, on the other hand, precisely at the present moment we are presented with an exceptionally favorable, even unique, opportunity when we can in 99 out of 100 chances utterly defeat our enemy with complete success and guarantee for ourselves the position we require for decades. Now and only now, when people are being eaten in famine-stricken areas, and hundreds, if not thousands, of corpses lie on the roads, we can (and therefore must) pursue the removal of church property with the most frenzied and ruthless energy and not hesitate to put down the least opposition. Now and only now, the vast majority of peasants will either be on our side, or at least will not be in a position to support to any decisive degree this handful of Black Hundreds clergy and reactionary urban petty bourgeoisie, who are willing and able to attempt to oppose this Soviet decree with a policy of force.

    We must pursue the removal of church property by any means necessary in order to secure for ourselves a fund of several hundred million gold rubles (do not forget the immense wealth of some monasteries and lauras). Without this fund any government work in general, any economic build-up in particular, and any upholding of soviet principles in Genoa especially is completely unthinkable.
     
    [...]

    Therefore, I come to the indisputable conclusion that we must precisely now smash the Black Hundreds clergy most decisively and ruthlessly and put down all resistance with such brutality that they will not forget it for several decades.

    The campaign itself for carrying out this plan I envision in the following manner:

    Only Comrade Kalinin should appear officially in regard to any measures taken--never and under no circumstance must Comrade Trotsky write anything for the press or in any other way appear before the public.
     
    [...]

    Send to Shuia one of the most energetic, clear-headed, and capable members of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee [VTsIK] or some other representative of the central government (one is better than several), giving him verbal instructions through one of the members of the Politburo. The instructions must come down to this, that in Shuia he must arrest more if possible but not less than several dozen representatives of the local clergy, the local petty bourgeoisie, and the local bourgeoisie on suspicion of direct or indirect participation in the forcible resistance to the decree of the VTsIK on the removal of property of value from churches.
    Immediately upon completion of this task, he must return to Moscow and personally deliver a report to the full session of the Politburo or to two specially authorized members of the Politburo.
    On the basis of this report, the Politburo will give a detailed directive to the judicial authorities, also verbal, that the trial of the insurrectionists from Shuia, for opposing aid to the starving, should be carried out in utmost haste and should end not other than with the shooting of the very largest number of the most influential and dangerous of the Black Hundreds in Shuia, and, if possible, not only in this city but even in Moscow and several other ecclesiastical centers.

    I think that it is advisable for us not to touch Patriarch Tikhon himself, even though he undoubtedly headed this whole revolt of slave-holders. Concerning him, the State Political Administration [GPU] must be given a secret directive that precisely at this time all communications of this personage must be monitored and their contents disclosed in all possible accuracy and detail. Require Dzerzhinsky and Unshlikht personally to report to the Politburo about this weekly.
     
    And - lo and behold! - suddenly the whole thing acquires a differen meaning. While you tried to pass whatever you "quoted" as the sole essence of the latter. Oh, why, why are you doing this?

    Note that Lenin did not mention any other than Christian property in the letter.
     
    Question -which other denomination had funds to expropriate other than ROC?

    Whatever your own beef with the Bolsheviks - try again, when someone asks you about Jewish pranks vis-a-vis Christian clergy during the Purim.
    , @Israel Shamir
    This alleged letter of Lenin a well-known forgery, debunked years ago.
  22. @Quartermaster

    arch-seductress Esther
     
    Why the smear? Have you not read the Book of Esther? She was anything but a seductress.

    arch-seductress Esther

    Why the smear? Have you not read the Book of Esther? She was anything but a seductress.

    Oh my – saving the brand with another lie.

    It just goes on and on – Judaism is a house of lies. How sad.

    Peace — Art

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    Hey Genius

    There's nothing "sad" about Judaism.

    In fact, Jews are quite happy.

    Just yesterday Intel agreed to purchase Israeli company Mobileye for $15B.

    I'm sure this made Israelis happy and it made me happy as I own Mobileye stock and it skyrocketed yesterday.

    The question is are YOU happy? I'm sure PORK and beans make you happy!

    Sherm
    , @iffen
    Arts, don't mess with Sherm.

    Rehmat has been missing for weeks and I think that Gus's peeps may have killed his goat.

  23. @Lyttenburgh

    Was the book itself an antique copy of Josephus’ work? The way it’s written, someone could be lead to think that he wrote it a mere 500 years ago. It was written ~2000 years ago and is well worth a read for anyone interested in today’s geopolitics.
     
    No, just 1526 copy, published in Tuscanian dialect of the Italian. Probably, was one of the earliest printed books from the Italies.

    Source: http://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/4082858

    Thanks. I figured that but wanted to clarify it for those who are not familiar with Josephus.

    I must emphasize, again, that anyone who thinks he is entitled to an opinion on today’s events needs to read and study Josephus’ “Antiquities” and “Wars of the Jews” at a minimum.

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    • Replies: @gwynedd1
    OK, I'll bite. What in particular do you feel is noteworthy in Josephus more than anything else?
  24. @HBM
    Joseph and Moses in Egypt, and Esther in Persia; compulsively repeating the script interminably, direcing and starring in it.

    There arose a Pharaoh who knew not Jospeh

    That gap in the script, the abrupt scene change that exonerates, is hard-wired into the Jewish psyche.

    Or the one about Haman being the "world's richest man". Google can show you that this charge was leveled against Saddam Hussein, Gaddafi, Putin, Hitler by Jewish journalists.

    That this eternal piece of grand ethnic theater might not repeat and validate Jewish self-conception vis-a-vis the nations is the real Jewish existential crisis. And maybe the worst part is that it's all ancient ethno-propaganda and never actually happened.

    Perhaps that it's a lie is why the show must go on.

    An extremenly dangerous people made of words, driven by ethnomythological compulsions.

    Multiple books which oppose the Judaic narrative are banned by Amazon (under Rabbinic orders) to preserve the lie.

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  25. @Israel Shamir
    Thank you! I do it for you))

    Dear Israel Shamir,

    First off, I want to thank you for this outstanding article which I read during the start of a N.E. Pennsylvania snowstorm that is now making my hometown look like Siberia!

    Second, and thanks to diligent commenters on The Unz Review, I learned about President Putin’s gift of Flavius’s 500-year old book to P.M. Netanyahu.

    If you can, and as I have done a measure of study on Russian history, I ask if you can consider my theory (below) that Vladimir Putin’s “gift” might be a very clever double entendre?

    During the latter 15th century and going into the 16th century, “Old Believer”resistance to Orthodoxy became quite a religious force in Russia. By mid-1500′s, an obscure Russian monk explicitly stated that Moscow was destined to become “The Third Rome.”

    (Please Note: The 1st “Rome” was of course Rome, the 2nd Byzantium’s Constantinople, and course according to mystical monk, Filofei, the 3rd is Moscow which was destined to be THE NEW JERUSALEM)

    What now has me rather intellectually “hot & bothered” is the fact that President Donald Trump is trying to commit the U.S.A. to an insane nuclear modernisation plan that the Congressional Budget Office forecast to cost $400 billion up to 2026. Where will the money come from? More borrowing? And raising taxes?

    A question, admittedly rather wild, Mr. Shamir? Is the already financially & socially broken U.S.A. digging it’s own ruinous grave, and (deliberately?) setting the stage for the actualization of respected historian Paul Kennedy’s theory about world Empires’ documented impulse for deficit spending and placing themselves on a trajectory toward extinction?

    As President Trump boasts how he will build the U.S. military to “the top of the pack” and frighten all competitors, i.e. Russia, could such excessive expenditures actually turn out & become a Russian advantage for the most of the next decade?

    For me, (and I’m a school bus driver & not a monk like the late-Filofei), it makes rather logical sense for Putin and B. Netanyahu to entertain the fact of U.S. demise and Russia’s standing as The Third Rome and the city of Moscow as “The New Jerusalem.”

    Essentially, in a nutshell, I believe Putin’s “gift” to P.M. Netanyahu brought forth an understandable & intriguing double entendre. For the present convulsive time, the failing & militarily aggressive U.S.A. can move its embassy to Jerusalem, but the far seeing Zionist Jews, including those rabidly secular, could look forward to building a new Temple in downtown Moscow!

    Finally for those who would like to learn about Russian “Old Believers” and the Third Rome
    concept, below is an informative academic paper written by Alar Laats from the K.S.K. College of Engineering and Technology. (Please note that due to China’s 1979 “1-Child Family” policy, it’s projected that within five years, India will become the world’s most populous country)

    As you please Alar Laats’ article is “linked,” below?

    http://www.ksk.edu.ee/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/KVUOA_Toimetised_12-Laats.pdf

    Thanks again, Israel, for writing such a meaningful article! Soon I’ll be out and digging our family car from out of snow drift!

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    During the latter 15th century and going into the 16th century, “Old Believer”resistance to Orthodoxy became quite a religious force in Russia. By mid-1500′s, an obscure Russian monk explicitly stated that Moscow was destined to become “The Third Rome.”
     
    If you are interested, then there are several corrections.

    One - the Old Rites Believers (Starovery) appeared only after Patriarch Nikon's reforms on unification of the rites (not the canon or the doctrine) in mid 17th c. Starovery are not "resistance" - they are heretics by all possible standards, who deny communion, altar service, recognized clergy and who, numerous times, decided to resort to a mass-self immolation as a way of "escaping the sin". The issue with them is much, much more serious than whether to cross yourself with 2 or 3 fingers.

    Two - Filofei was a great dude, not just a "monk", but a hegumen of a monastery near Pskov, who penned his "Legend of the White Cowl" in 1510 which then found its way to the Grand Prince of Moscow and Rus Vasily III. Note that first Metropolians of Moscow, and then Patriarchs of Moscow and All Russia were wearing a White Cowl.
  26. @jacques sheete
    Thanks. I figured that but wanted to clarify it for those who are not familiar with Josephus.

    I must emphasize, again, that anyone who thinks he is entitled to an opinion on today's events needs to read and study Josephus' "Antiquities" and "Wars of the Jews" at a minimum.

    OK, I’ll bite. What in particular do you feel is noteworthy in Josephus more than anything else?

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    OK, I’ll bite. What in particular do you feel is noteworthy in Josephus more than anything else?

     

    I'm not biting. Go read the things. Your comment #28 tells me you'd likely find a lot of support there for your claims... ;)
  27. @anarchyst
    Actually Muslims and Jews ARE related and can be compared to "squabbling relatives"...Both the Islamic Qur'an and Jewish Talmud have virtually identical passages that promote each cult's brand of supremacy over others (unbelievers).
    The Talmud states that non-believers are the equivalent of "livestock" to be used for the advantage of the Jew. Punishments for outsiders who transgress against Jews and Muslims are much greater that punishments for Jews and Muslims who commit criminal acts against outsiders.
    One difference between Judaism and Islam is the way Jesus Christ is treated.
    The Jewish Talmud regards Jesus Christ as an apostate, boiling in excrement for eternity while his mother Mary is considered a harlot who consorted with a Roman soldier.
    Islam regards Jesus Christ as a great prophet...not the "Son of God", but a great prophet, nonetheless. His mother Mary is specifically mentioned in the Qur'an and is given a place of high honor.
    There are many instances of Jews spitting on and harassing Christians in Israel...
    Now which belief system has a greater hatred of Christianity??

    That accursed religion know as Judaism surely hates all of their spawn for which it is surely to blame. Jesus and Muhammad are in fact brothers as founders of two viral religions all spawned by Judaism. They were after all both candidates for the Messiah. They are only the most famous. Had Sabbatai Zevi or Jacob Frank more success then would have more than this. In fact its quite possible we do still have Sabbatains as a wealthy and powerful elite to this day among us.

    Anyway it works like prions in the brain which destroys healthy neurological tissue and enslaves its host with imaginary bread and mansions floating on the wind.

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  28. Incorrect!!!!
    Purim is the calebration of event when Mordekai through Ester did convince Persian governor
    To kill Palestinians, and give the rule of Jerusalem to jo os.

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  29. @gwynedd1
    OK, I'll bite. What in particular do you feel is noteworthy in Josephus more than anything else?

    OK, I’ll bite. What in particular do you feel is noteworthy in Josephus more than anything else?

    I’m not biting. Go read the things. Your comment #28 tells me you’d likely find a lot of support there for your claims… ;)

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    I have read Josephus in its entirety, however I was wondering to what you would apply it since it could be quite vast. It could conceivably used to support Preterism , undermine or support Judiasim or Christianity in any number of ways.
  30. @anarchyst
    Actually Muslims and Jews ARE related and can be compared to "squabbling relatives"...Both the Islamic Qur'an and Jewish Talmud have virtually identical passages that promote each cult's brand of supremacy over others (unbelievers).
    The Talmud states that non-believers are the equivalent of "livestock" to be used for the advantage of the Jew. Punishments for outsiders who transgress against Jews and Muslims are much greater that punishments for Jews and Muslims who commit criminal acts against outsiders.
    One difference between Judaism and Islam is the way Jesus Christ is treated.
    The Jewish Talmud regards Jesus Christ as an apostate, boiling in excrement for eternity while his mother Mary is considered a harlot who consorted with a Roman soldier.
    Islam regards Jesus Christ as a great prophet...not the "Son of God", but a great prophet, nonetheless. His mother Mary is specifically mentioned in the Qur'an and is given a place of high honor.
    There are many instances of Jews spitting on and harassing Christians in Israel...
    Now which belief system has a greater hatred of Christianity??

    Muslims and Jo os are not related. Arabs and Jo os are related.

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    Muslims and Jo os are not related. Arabs and Jo os are related.
     
    It all depends on what you consider a Jew.

    Islam, like Christianity, can be thought of as a sect of Judaism, so in a spiritual or religious sense they are related

    If you subscribe to the notion that Jews are any longer a race, then they are related to the other "Semites," i.e., descendants of Shem.

    However, many Israelis are probably neither Jews in the spiritual sense nor Jews in the genetic sense. The State of Israel is in many ways a perversion of both concepts and they prove it every day by the things they do.

  31. @Art

    arch-seductress Esther

    Why the smear? Have you not read the Book of Esther? She was anything but a seductress.

     

    Oh my - saving the brand with another lie.

    It just goes on and on - Judaism is a house of lies. How sad.

    Peace --- Art

    Hey Genius

    There’s nothing “sad” about Judaism.

    In fact, Jews are quite happy.

    Just yesterday Intel agreed to purchase Israeli company Mobileye for $15B.

    I’m sure this made Israelis happy and it made me happy as I own Mobileye stock and it skyrocketed yesterday.

    The question is are YOU happy? I’m sure PORK and beans make you happy!

    Sherm

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    Hi Sherm,

    Mazeltov on your monetary good fortune – I am glad for you and yours.

    You should double down and go in the morning to the Golan and smell some fresh Arab blood.

    Happy – Happy!

    Could it get any better? Money and dead enemies.

    Peace --- Art
    , @Chuck Orloski
    "In fact, Jews are quite happy."

    Although it's fruitless to make any sound appeal to "Sherman," but I ask other commenters to
    please note the updated finding resulting from a study undertaken by the Pew Research Centre.

    As published in "The Economist,"4 March 2017 issue, the Pew Research Center found that "Jews are the most popular religious group in America, edging out Catholics and evangelical Christians and much better liked than either Muslims or atheists."

    As Sherman fussed up to owning "skyrocketing Mobileye stock," my family stockholding in "Bush" pork and beans has regrettably nosedived.

    But, "don't worry," I am " still happy," -- because as the case goes in Bob Marley's "Little Bird" tweet, "Every little thing is 'gonna be alright!" n'

    Selah.
    , @jacques sheete

    In fact, Jews are quite happy.

     

    Hmmm. Somebody's making stuff up. What gives?

    Granted that the prevalence of all three disorders is low, how can anyone be happy when this state of affairs applies?

    Israeli and American scientists have discovered a gene among Ashkenazi Jews that increases their chances of developing the mental disorder schizophrenia, as well schizoaffective disorder and manic depression. According to a study recently published in Nature Communications, the gene in question raises Ashkenazi Jews’ chances of experiencing the disorders by roughly 40%, and by 15% in the general population.

    The study was conducted by Professor Ariel Darvasi, assistant dean of the Faculty of Life Sciences at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, in coordination with Dr. Todd Lencz from The Feinstein Institute for Medical Research in New York.


    http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.560128
     
    Yeah, I know the source isn’t the best and it could be a forgery, and the info is dated, but is this anything to be happy about?

    An analysis of surveys in Los Angeles and New Haven, Conn., found that within a one-year period, 13% of Jewish men suffered from major depression, compared with 5.4% of non-Jewish men.

    http://articles.latimes.com/1995-05-23/news/mn-5096_1_jewish-men
     
    If I had as much coin as Sherm, I'd see to it that something's done about either the situation or the lies about it. I wouldn't be happy while my fellows are suffering. If they are, of course. But then how can they be happy when they're constantly being threatened with extermination?

    Martyrs maybe?
    , @Clyde
    I’m sure PORK and beans make you happy!

    Getting PORKED! Makes Art a happy lad who forgets about Jews for a few minutes.

  32. @Art

    arch-seductress Esther

    Why the smear? Have you not read the Book of Esther? She was anything but a seductress.

     

    Oh my - saving the brand with another lie.

    It just goes on and on - Judaism is a house of lies. How sad.

    Peace --- Art

    Arts, don’t mess with Sherm.

    Rehmat has been missing for weeks and I think that Gus’s peeps may have killed his goat.

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    Keith Says:

    "Arts, don't mess with Sherm"


    Iffen ....didn't I strongly suggest you just sip the beer and be silent?


    I notice you found another Zionist racist to assist you in your failed effort to push more Hasbara propaganda. What happen to Sam the Sham? I know.. he knows the Purim story and doesn't want be embarrassed trying to support the war criminal, Netanyahu.


    See attached .. A spokesman for Iranian Jews slammed Netanyahu for his anti Iranian ranting.

    http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2017/03/15/514424/Iran-Jewish-Netanyahu

    This needed to be posted because it will never be reported on our Zio Hasbara main stream media.

    This is not the first time Israeli Jewish leadership attacked those who pulled the Jew's chestnuts out of the fire. The Jews bombed the King David Hotel and killed British citizens only a couple of years after the British defeated the NAZIs.

    Iffen.... you and Sam the Sham are not fighting the good fight. You are trying to defend a cause that is not defensible.
  33. @jacques sheete

    ... but a 500-years-old book, The Jewish War of Josephus.
     
    ????

    Was the book itself an antique copy of Josephus' work? The way it's written, someone could be lead to think that he wrote it a mere 500 years ago. It was written ~2000 years ago and is well worth a read for anyone interested in today's geopolitics.

    Them there wandering, eternal, "victims" know how to work things.

    Josephus is an invented figure never existed.
    Events of Jo ois uprising including story of Mosada was recorded by Roman historian Cornelius.
    Everything written under name Josephus is a partial copy and forgery.

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    Can you share with us how you made this fenomenal 'discovery'?
  34. @jacques sheete

    Citation?
     
    I agree that such a claim should be cited.

    I wonder if he was referring to Lenin's directives or something earlier.


    Now and only now, when people are being
    eaten
    in famine-stricken areas, and hundreds, if not thousands, of
    corpses lie on the roads, we can (and therefore must) pursue the
    removal of church property with the most frenzied and ruthless
    energy and not hesitate to put down the least opposition.

    In order to get our hands on this fund of several
    hundred million gold rubles (and perhaps even several hundred
    billion), we must do whatever is necessary.

    The greater the number of
    representatives of the reactionary clergy and the reactionary
    bourgeoisie that we succeed in shooting on this occasion, the better…

    Letter from Lenin to Molotov, March 19, 1922, Marked, “Top Secret For members of the Politburo”


    https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/archives/ae2bkhun.html

     

    Note that Lenin did not mention any other than Christian property in the letter.

    “Note that Lenin did not mention any other ‘Christian property’ in his letter.”

    Dear Jacques Sheete,

    Thanks for the very informative comment… you have inspired further thought!

    Later, I will reenter Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn’s “Gulag Archipelago One” and check to see if there’s any mention of proletariat-revolutionary sacking of Jewish property.

    F.Y.I. I do recall Solzhenitysn’s having discussed (somewhere) the Tsarist era pogrom-organizing “Black Hundreds.” I must search for information on the latter pogrom in order to learn about it’s target. (In meantime, I know that in 1922, the (Bolshevik-driven) Moscow Church trial commenced, and Patriarch Tikhon was summoned as a witness to the Soviet tribunal, and the entire Orthodox Church was branded a “subversive organization”)

    However, a rather gnatty problem for Jewish Bolsheviks was the fact that the stamp of Old Russia was still ran so deep that the Patriarch (reportedly) received a standing ovation upon his entrance into the tribunal’s “Polytechnic Museum.”

    Ha-ha — Patriarch Tikhon’s entrance & ovation reminded me (in reverse) of P.M. Netanyahu’s royal entrance (last year) into the U.S. capital & his address to adoring (disproportionately) anti-Obama Congressmen!

    So stupidly pliable have American “voters” become? Were it all not so deadly to the U.S.A., the mass lack of awareness would be laughable.

    At any rate, J.S., I do recall how a Russian priest started the Soviet-approved “Living Church” schismatics and aided the work of GPU collaborators.

    Remarkable how history does sordidly repeat itself? For example, in the realm of the current (toppled) U.S. government, & as the old “Living Church”stood FORCEFULLY de-Christianized under Stalin, “The Living Church” has non-violently resurrected among America’s vast pro-Israel churches.

    So it is definitely not strange to see how Pastor John Hagee became a best selling author under the banner of, “Support Israeli wars and facilitate prophecy, including The Second Coming!”

    Oh Jesus — as a life long Byzantine Catholic Church member, I hope the old saying comes true, “what goes around, comes around,” and Gospel-practice makes a surprise comeback here.

    Finally, J.S., if such evidence exists, I must look into the matter of Moscow Chief Rabbi persecution and seizure of Jewish property during the creation times of the New Soviet Man.

    Snow has now covered the front of our Dodge Stratus… and thanks for posting another valuable history lesson!

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  35. @Sherman
    Hey Genius

    There's nothing "sad" about Judaism.

    In fact, Jews are quite happy.

    Just yesterday Intel agreed to purchase Israeli company Mobileye for $15B.

    I'm sure this made Israelis happy and it made me happy as I own Mobileye stock and it skyrocketed yesterday.

    The question is are YOU happy? I'm sure PORK and beans make you happy!

    Sherm

    Hi Sherm,

    Mazeltov on your monetary good fortune – I am glad for you and yours.

    You should double down and go in the morning to the Golan and smell some fresh Arab blood.

    Happy – Happy!

    Could it get any better? Money and dead enemies.

    Peace — Art

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  36. @Ilyana_Rozumova
    Muslims and Jo os are not related. Arabs and Jo os are related.

    Muslims and Jo os are not related. Arabs and Jo os are related.

    It all depends on what you consider a Jew.

    Islam, like Christianity, can be thought of as a sect of Judaism, so in a spiritual or religious sense they are related

    If you subscribe to the notion that Jews are any longer a race, then they are related to the other “Semites,” i.e., descendants of Shem.

    However, many Israelis are probably neither Jews in the spiritual sense nor Jews in the genetic sense. The State of Israel is in many ways a perversion of both concepts and they prove it every day by the things they do.

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  37. @Sherman
    Hey Genius

    There's nothing "sad" about Judaism.

    In fact, Jews are quite happy.

    Just yesterday Intel agreed to purchase Israeli company Mobileye for $15B.

    I'm sure this made Israelis happy and it made me happy as I own Mobileye stock and it skyrocketed yesterday.

    The question is are YOU happy? I'm sure PORK and beans make you happy!

    Sherm

    “In fact, Jews are quite happy.”

    Although it’s fruitless to make any sound appeal to “Sherman,” but I ask other commenters to
    please note the updated finding resulting from a study undertaken by the Pew Research Centre.

    As published in “The Economist,”4 March 2017 issue, the Pew Research Center found that “Jews are the most popular religious group in America, edging out Catholics and evangelical Christians and much better liked than either Muslims or atheists.”

    As Sherman fussed up to owning “skyrocketing Mobileye stock,” my family stockholding in “Bush” pork and beans has regrettably nosedived.

    But, “don’t worry,” I am ” still happy,” — because as the case goes in Bob Marley’s “Little Bird” tweet, “Every little thing is ‘gonna be alright!” n’

    Selah.

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    “Jews are the most popular religious group in America, edging out Catholics and evangelical Christians and much better liked than either Muslims or atheists.”

    Amazing - the most hurtful culturally destructive people in America are the most well liked.

    It will not last.

    Peace --- Art
  38. @jacques sheete

    OK, I’ll bite. What in particular do you feel is noteworthy in Josephus more than anything else?

     

    I'm not biting. Go read the things. Your comment #28 tells me you'd likely find a lot of support there for your claims... ;)

    I have read Josephus in its entirety, however I was wondering to what you would apply it since it could be quite vast. It could conceivably used to support Preterism , undermine or support Judiasim or Christianity in any number of ways.

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    • Replies: @jacques sheete

    however I was wondering to what you would apply it since it could be quite vast.
     
    Apparently you have read it!

    It is vast, and so are the lessons therein. It's beyond someone of my meager abilities to summarize it, and any attempts for me to attempt it especially in a venue such as this would be risible to the max. Any attempt at commentary would be an insult to the work itself. Res ipsa loquitur applies and nothing else will do.

    All I can say is that there are many lessons that apply perfectly to today. The basic issues and attempts to deal with them have not changed substantially.
  39. In fact, Jews are quite happy.

    They why do so many, so often, whine and play the victim card so consistently? Aren’t they continuously under siege and existentially threatened or something? Are you really a spokesperson for all who label themselves Jews? How’d that happen?

    Just yesterday Intel agreed to purchase Israeli company Mobileye for $15B.

    I’m sure this made Israelis happy and it made me happy as I own Mobileye stock and it skyrocketed yesterday.

    That’s what makes ya happy? Sounds pretty simple minded to me. Crass and vulgar even. Are you accusing them of being a modern day equivalent of cargo cultists, or what? If so, are you an anti-Semite or mere a self-loather, or what?

    Or are you trying to incite another attempt to drive them outta the temple again? What is it?

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    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    The only ones I see whining on these pages are people like you, incessantly so, about how Jews are the devil incarnate. Don't you think the bleating needs to stop?
  40. @gwynedd1
    I have read Josephus in its entirety, however I was wondering to what you would apply it since it could be quite vast. It could conceivably used to support Preterism , undermine or support Judiasim or Christianity in any number of ways.

    however I was wondering to what you would apply it since it could be quite vast.

    Apparently you have read it!

    It is vast, and so are the lessons therein. It’s beyond someone of my meager abilities to summarize it, and any attempts for me to attempt it especially in a venue such as this would be risible to the max. Any attempt at commentary would be an insult to the work itself. Res ipsa loquitur applies and nothing else will do.

    All I can say is that there are many lessons that apply perfectly to today. The basic issues and attempts to deal with them have not changed substantially.

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    • Replies: @gwynedd1
    Indeed I have read it but unless you are after some specific things , I am not sure why Josephus was so essential in general. I think I found Thucydides to have had more of an impact on me , but that is because it served my interest in the economics of imperialism.

    For me personally Josephus provides the ground work which inspired the book of Revelation. Thus it shows the book of Revelation for what it is, an apocalyptic poem that described real events such as Jerusalem rent in three ( 3 factions infighting in Jerusalem) and 1 talent hail stones from the heavens (being the roman catapults).

    I was just curious why you thought it was so profound.
  41. @jacques sheete

    Citation?
     
    I agree that such a claim should be cited.

    I wonder if he was referring to Lenin's directives or something earlier.


    Now and only now, when people are being
    eaten
    in famine-stricken areas, and hundreds, if not thousands, of
    corpses lie on the roads, we can (and therefore must) pursue the
    removal of church property with the most frenzied and ruthless
    energy and not hesitate to put down the least opposition.

    In order to get our hands on this fund of several
    hundred million gold rubles (and perhaps even several hundred
    billion), we must do whatever is necessary.

    The greater the number of
    representatives of the reactionary clergy and the reactionary
    bourgeoisie that we succeed in shooting on this occasion, the better…

    Letter from Lenin to Molotov, March 19, 1922, Marked, “Top Secret For members of the Politburo”


    https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/archives/ae2bkhun.html

     

    Note that Lenin did not mention any other than Christian property in the letter.

    I wonder if he was referring to Lenin’s directives or something earlier.

    You are misquoting here. I wonder, whether deliberately or not. Why not provide more quotes for those, who have an aversion for clicking at the source?

    The event at Shuia should be connected with the announcement that the Russian News Agency [ROST] recently sent to the newspapers but that was not for publication, namely, the announcement that the Black Hundreds in Petrograd were preparing to defy the decree on the removal of property of value from the churches.

    If this fact is compared with what the papers report about the attitude of the clergy to the decree on the removal of church property in addition to what we know about the illegal proclamation of Patriarch Tikhon, then it becomes perfectly clear that the Black Hundreds clergy, headed by its leader, with full deliberation is carrying out a plan at this very moment to destroy us decisively.

    It is obvious that the most influential group of the Black Hundreds clergy conceived this plan in secret meetings and that it was accepted with sufficient resolution. The events in Shuia is only
    one manifestation and actualization of this general plan.

    I think that here our opponent is making a huge strategic error by attempting to draw us into a decisive struggle now when it is especially hopeless and especially disadvantageous to him. For
    us, on the other hand, precisely at the present moment we are presented with an exceptionally favorable, even unique, opportunity when we can in 99 out of 100 chances utterly defeat our enemy with complete success and guarantee for ourselves the position we require for decades. Now and only now, when people are being eaten in famine-stricken areas, and hundreds, if not thousands, of corpses lie on the roads, we can (and therefore must) pursue the removal of church property with the most frenzied and ruthless energy and not hesitate to put down the least opposition. Now and only now, the vast majority of peasants will either be on our side, or at least will not be in a position to support to any decisive degree this handful of Black Hundreds clergy and reactionary urban petty bourgeoisie, who are willing and able to attempt to oppose this Soviet decree with a policy of force.

    We must pursue the removal of church property by any means necessary in order to secure for ourselves a fund of several hundred million gold rubles (do not forget the immense wealth of some monasteries and lauras). Without this fund any government work in general, any economic build-up in particular, and any upholding of soviet principles in Genoa especially is completely unthinkable.

    [...]

    Therefore, I come to the indisputable conclusion that we must precisely now smash the Black Hundreds clergy most decisively and ruthlessly and put down all resistance with such brutality that they will not forget it for several decades.

    The campaign itself for carrying out this plan I envision in the following manner:

    Only Comrade Kalinin should appear officially in regard to any measures taken–never and under no circumstance must Comrade Trotsky write anything for the press or in any other way appear before the public.

    [...]

    Send to Shuia one of the most energetic, clear-headed, and capable members of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee [VTsIK] or some other representative of the central government (one is better than several), giving him verbal instructions through one of the members of the Politburo. The instructions must come down to this, that in Shuia he must arrest more if possible but not less than several dozen representatives of the local clergy, the local petty bourgeoisie, and the local bourgeoisie on suspicion of direct or indirect participation in the forcible resistance to the decree of the VTsIK on the removal of property of value from churches.
    Immediately upon completion of this task, he must return to Moscow and personally deliver a report to the full session of the Politburo or to two specially authorized members of the Politburo.
    On the basis of this report, the Politburo will give a detailed directive to the judicial authorities, also verbal, that the trial of the insurrectionists from Shuia, for opposing aid to the starving, should be carried out in utmost haste and should end not other than with the shooting of the very largest number of the most influential and dangerous of the Black Hundreds in Shuia, and, if possible, not only in this city but even in Moscow and several other ecclesiastical centers.

    I think that it is advisable for us not to touch Patriarch Tikhon himself, even though he undoubtedly headed this whole revolt of slave-holders. Concerning him, the State Political Administration [GPU] must be given a secret directive that precisely at this time all communications of this personage must be monitored and their contents disclosed in all possible accuracy and detail. Require Dzerzhinsky and Unshlikht personally to report to the Politburo about this weekly.

    And – lo and behold! – suddenly the whole thing acquires a differen meaning. While you tried to pass whatever you “quoted” as the sole essence of the latter. Oh, why, why are you doing this?

    Note that Lenin did not mention any other than Christian property in the letter.

    Question -which other denomination had funds to expropriate other than ROC?

    Whatever your own beef with the Bolsheviks – try again, when someone asks you about Jewish pranks vis-a-vis Christian clergy during the Purim.

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    • Replies: @jacques sheete

    You are misquoting here.
     
    Nope. It was a direct quote from a translation .

    Why are you trying to justify Lenin?


    Question -which other denomination had funds to expropriate other than ROC?

     

    Now that's a fine question. I do not know the answer, but I suspect there were synagogues that could have been subjected to like treatment, no? Were they or not? Since the Bolshies were professed atheists, it would make sense for them to loot and appropriate them as well, so why didn't Lenin make mention of them?

    How many of them were turned into animal stables and pens and used as anti-religion museums?


    And – lo and behold! – suddenly the whole thing acquires a differen meaning. While you tried to pass whatever you “quoted” as the sole essence of the latter.
     
    Why are you accusing me of claiming my quote is the sole essence of the letter? And why are you falsely claiming that there was any change in meaning of what I said?

    Lenin and the Bolshies with whom I have a beef, (isn't it apparent why that would be), were quite simply hideous, murderous, swine. Why attempt to defend such sewage?

    Try again.

    , @jacques sheete

    when someone asks you about Jewish pranks vis-a-vis Christian clergy during the Purim.

     

    Sorry about veering a bit off topic, but you know, stuff happens.


    Hey Lyttenburgh, why did you post a well known forgery that was debunked years ago? Was that intentional or not? Explain.
  42. @Chuck Orloski
    "In fact, Jews are quite happy."

    Although it's fruitless to make any sound appeal to "Sherman," but I ask other commenters to
    please note the updated finding resulting from a study undertaken by the Pew Research Centre.

    As published in "The Economist,"4 March 2017 issue, the Pew Research Center found that "Jews are the most popular religious group in America, edging out Catholics and evangelical Christians and much better liked than either Muslims or atheists."

    As Sherman fussed up to owning "skyrocketing Mobileye stock," my family stockholding in "Bush" pork and beans has regrettably nosedived.

    But, "don't worry," I am " still happy," -- because as the case goes in Bob Marley's "Little Bird" tweet, "Every little thing is 'gonna be alright!" n'

    Selah.

    “Jews are the most popular religious group in America, edging out Catholics and evangelical Christians and much better liked than either Muslims or atheists.”

    Amazing – the most hurtful culturally destructive people in America are the most well liked.

    It will not last.

    Peace — Art

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  43. @Chuck Orloski
    Dear Israel Shamir,

    First off, I want to thank you for this outstanding article which I read during the start of a N.E. Pennsylvania snowstorm that is now making my hometown look like Siberia!

    Second, and thanks to diligent commenters on The Unz Review, I learned about President Putin's gift of Flavius's 500-year old book to P.M. Netanyahu.

    If you can, and as I have done a measure of study on Russian history, I ask if you can consider my theory (below) that Vladimir Putin's "gift" might be a very clever double entendre?

    During the latter 15th century and going into the 16th century, "Old Believer"resistance to Orthodoxy became quite a religious force in Russia. By mid-1500's, an obscure Russian monk explicitly stated that Moscow was destined to become "The Third Rome."

    (Please Note: The 1st "Rome" was of course Rome, the 2nd Byzantium's Constantinople, and course according to mystical monk, Filofei, the 3rd is Moscow which was destined to be THE NEW JERUSALEM)

    What now has me rather intellectually "hot & bothered" is the fact that President Donald Trump is trying to commit the U.S.A. to an insane nuclear modernisation plan that the Congressional Budget Office forecast to cost $400 billion up to 2026. Where will the money come from? More borrowing? And raising taxes?

    A question, admittedly rather wild, Mr. Shamir? Is the already financially & socially broken U.S.A. digging it's own ruinous grave, and (deliberately?) setting the stage for the actualization of respected historian Paul Kennedy's theory about world Empires' documented impulse for deficit spending and placing themselves on a trajectory toward extinction?

    As President Trump boasts how he will build the U.S. military to "the top of the pack" and frighten all competitors, i.e. Russia, could such excessive expenditures actually turn out & become a Russian advantage for the most of the next decade?

    For me, (and I'm a school bus driver & not a monk like the late-Filofei), it makes rather logical sense for Putin and B. Netanyahu to entertain the fact of U.S. demise and Russia's standing as The Third Rome and the city of Moscow as "The New Jerusalem."

    Essentially, in a nutshell, I believe Putin's "gift" to P.M. Netanyahu brought forth an understandable & intriguing double entendre. For the present convulsive time, the failing & militarily aggressive U.S.A. can move its embassy to Jerusalem, but the far seeing Zionist Jews, including those rabidly secular, could look forward to building a new Temple in downtown Moscow!

    Finally for those who would like to learn about Russian "Old Believers" and the Third Rome
    concept, below is an informative academic paper written by Alar Laats from the K.S.K. College of Engineering and Technology. (Please note that due to China's 1979 "1-Child Family" policy, it's projected that within five years, India will become the world's most populous country)

    As you please Alar Laats' article is "linked," below?

    http://www.ksk.edu.ee/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/KVUOA_Toimetised_12-Laats.pdf

    Thanks again, Israel, for writing such a meaningful article! Soon I'll be out and digging our family car from out of snow drift!

    During the latter 15th century and going into the 16th century, “Old Believer”resistance to Orthodoxy became quite a religious force in Russia. By mid-1500′s, an obscure Russian monk explicitly stated that Moscow was destined to become “The Third Rome.”

    If you are interested, then there are several corrections.

    One – the Old Rites Believers (Starovery) appeared only after Patriarch Nikon’s reforms on unification of the rites (not the canon or the doctrine) in mid 17th c. Starovery are not “resistance” – they are heretics by all possible standards, who deny communion, altar service, recognized clergy and who, numerous times, decided to resort to a mass-self immolation as a way of “escaping the sin”. The issue with them is much, much more serious than whether to cross yourself with 2 or 3 fingers.

    Two – Filofei was a great dude, not just a “monk”, but a hegumen of a monastery near Pskov, who penned his “Legend of the White Cowl” in 1510 which then found its way to the Grand Prince of Moscow and Rus Vasily III. Note that first Metropolians of Moscow, and then Patriarchs of Moscow and All Russia were wearing a White Cowl.

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    "Two -- Filofei was a great dude, not just a "monk," but a hegumen of a monastery near Pskov"

    Interesting, Lyttenburgh!

    It snowed here all day in Scranton , so I walked to Saint George's Social Club, located on Keyser Avenue. I happened to sit next to an old Russian-American "dude," and I told him what you knew about the famous monk, Filofei.

    He replied, "Oh, I think he (Filofei) also worked part time at the Novgorod Stock Exchange."

    Despite absent sources that would help document your knowledge, thanks for passing on all the corrections, dude!

    It's a bit early into the season of lent, but... Christos voskres.
    , @Seraphim
    It is known for long (among scholars) that the 'great dude' Filofei was no other than:

    "Feodor Vasiliyevich Kuritsyn (Russian: Федор Васильевич Курицын) (? - died no earlier than 1500), Russian statesman, philosopher and a poet. As a government official and a diplomat, Kuritsyn exerted great influence on the Russian foreign policy in the times of Ivan III. In 1482, he was sent to the Hungarian king Matthias Corvinus to conclude an anti-Polish alliance. In 1494, Kuritsyn was sent to Lithuania for the same purpose. He took part in many negotiations with foreign statesmen in Moscow....
    In 1485, Kuritsyn created a club, which later would be considered heretical. He was against monasteries and monasticism, expressed ideas about freedom of human will ("autocracy of the soul"), which he would interpret in a much broader sense than it was allowed by the orthodox theology.
    Kuritsyn's name was last mentioned in 1500, when Ivan III gradually changed his attitude towards heretics thanks to hegumen Joseph Volotsky, who had been Kuritsyn's staunch opponent. The tsar's leniency gave way to persecution, which would put an end to activities of Kuritsyn's club. Ivan III, however, spared Kuritsyn due to Volotsky's obvious exaggerations in his accusations."
    What Wikipedia shies to tell is that the 'club considered heretical' was the heresy of the Judaizers which was attacking the very foundations of the Church, which spread even to the Court and was eventually harshly put down. Fyodor was shown leniency and 'retired' to a monastery, where he formulated the famous theory of the "Third Rome" under the guise of monk Filofei, as what he thought was a show of repentance. The theory actually retains the 'Judaizing' messianic flavor of the 'Universal Empire' and, contrary to what is repeated ad nauseam, had no influence whatsoever on the policy of the emerging Russian Tsardom. On the contrary it was explicitly rejected. Russia stuck to the political notion of the 'family of nations'. The theory was later embraced by the other heretical schismatics (also tinged with 'Judaizing' messianism), the so-called 'Old Believers'.
    If there is a 'double-entendre' in Putin's gift to Netanyahu, it is the warning that Israel would meet the same fate as Judaea if it wanted to play the same game.
  44. @jacques sheete

    Citation?
     
    I agree that such a claim should be cited.

    I wonder if he was referring to Lenin's directives or something earlier.


    Now and only now, when people are being
    eaten
    in famine-stricken areas, and hundreds, if not thousands, of
    corpses lie on the roads, we can (and therefore must) pursue the
    removal of church property with the most frenzied and ruthless
    energy and not hesitate to put down the least opposition.

    In order to get our hands on this fund of several
    hundred million gold rubles (and perhaps even several hundred
    billion), we must do whatever is necessary.

    The greater the number of
    representatives of the reactionary clergy and the reactionary
    bourgeoisie that we succeed in shooting on this occasion, the better…

    Letter from Lenin to Molotov, March 19, 1922, Marked, “Top Secret For members of the Politburo”


    https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/archives/ae2bkhun.html

     

    Note that Lenin did not mention any other than Christian property in the letter.

    This alleged letter of Lenin a well-known forgery, debunked years ago.

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    • Replies: @iffen
    Only Comrade Kalinin should appear officially in regard to any measures taken–never and under no circumstance must Comrade Trotsky write anything for the press or in any other way appear before the public.

    Seems like something a smart politician like Lenin would think of.
    , @jacques sheete

    This alleged letter of Lenin a well-known forgery, debunked years ago.
     
    Naturally.

    Lenin was, of course a pure choir boy, innocent as the driven snow. We all know he would have never thought of anything like that, let alone act on it. Of course.

    Can you prove that it was a forgery? It sure sounds like something Lenin would have said.

  45. @Israel Shamir
    This alleged letter of Lenin a well-known forgery, debunked years ago.

    Only Comrade Kalinin should appear officially in regard to any measures taken–never and under no circumstance must Comrade Trotsky write anything for the press or in any other way appear before the public.

    Seems like something a smart politician like Lenin would think of.

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  46. @Lyttenburgh

    I wonder if he was referring to Lenin’s directives or something earlier.
     
    You are misquoting here. I wonder, whether deliberately or not. Why not provide more quotes for those, who have an aversion for clicking at the source?

    The event at Shuia should be connected with the announcement that the Russian News Agency [ROST] recently sent to the newspapers but that was not for publication, namely, the announcement that the Black Hundreds in Petrograd were preparing to defy the decree on the removal of property of value from the churches.

    If this fact is compared with what the papers report about the attitude of the clergy to the decree on the removal of church property in addition to what we know about the illegal proclamation of Patriarch Tikhon, then it becomes perfectly clear that the Black Hundreds clergy, headed by its leader, with full deliberation is carrying out a plan at this very moment to destroy us decisively.

    It is obvious that the most influential group of the Black Hundreds clergy conceived this plan in secret meetings and that it was accepted with sufficient resolution. The events in Shuia is only
    one manifestation and actualization of this general plan.

    I think that here our opponent is making a huge strategic error by attempting to draw us into a decisive struggle now when it is especially hopeless and especially disadvantageous to him. For
    us, on the other hand, precisely at the present moment we are presented with an exceptionally favorable, even unique, opportunity when we can in 99 out of 100 chances utterly defeat our enemy with complete success and guarantee for ourselves the position we require for decades. Now and only now, when people are being eaten in famine-stricken areas, and hundreds, if not thousands, of corpses lie on the roads, we can (and therefore must) pursue the removal of church property with the most frenzied and ruthless energy and not hesitate to put down the least opposition. Now and only now, the vast majority of peasants will either be on our side, or at least will not be in a position to support to any decisive degree this handful of Black Hundreds clergy and reactionary urban petty bourgeoisie, who are willing and able to attempt to oppose this Soviet decree with a policy of force.

    We must pursue the removal of church property by any means necessary in order to secure for ourselves a fund of several hundred million gold rubles (do not forget the immense wealth of some monasteries and lauras). Without this fund any government work in general, any economic build-up in particular, and any upholding of soviet principles in Genoa especially is completely unthinkable.
     
    [...]

    Therefore, I come to the indisputable conclusion that we must precisely now smash the Black Hundreds clergy most decisively and ruthlessly and put down all resistance with such brutality that they will not forget it for several decades.

    The campaign itself for carrying out this plan I envision in the following manner:

    Only Comrade Kalinin should appear officially in regard to any measures taken--never and under no circumstance must Comrade Trotsky write anything for the press or in any other way appear before the public.
     
    [...]

    Send to Shuia one of the most energetic, clear-headed, and capable members of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee [VTsIK] or some other representative of the central government (one is better than several), giving him verbal instructions through one of the members of the Politburo. The instructions must come down to this, that in Shuia he must arrest more if possible but not less than several dozen representatives of the local clergy, the local petty bourgeoisie, and the local bourgeoisie on suspicion of direct or indirect participation in the forcible resistance to the decree of the VTsIK on the removal of property of value from churches.
    Immediately upon completion of this task, he must return to Moscow and personally deliver a report to the full session of the Politburo or to two specially authorized members of the Politburo.
    On the basis of this report, the Politburo will give a detailed directive to the judicial authorities, also verbal, that the trial of the insurrectionists from Shuia, for opposing aid to the starving, should be carried out in utmost haste and should end not other than with the shooting of the very largest number of the most influential and dangerous of the Black Hundreds in Shuia, and, if possible, not only in this city but even in Moscow and several other ecclesiastical centers.

    I think that it is advisable for us not to touch Patriarch Tikhon himself, even though he undoubtedly headed this whole revolt of slave-holders. Concerning him, the State Political Administration [GPU] must be given a secret directive that precisely at this time all communications of this personage must be monitored and their contents disclosed in all possible accuracy and detail. Require Dzerzhinsky and Unshlikht personally to report to the Politburo about this weekly.
     
    And - lo and behold! - suddenly the whole thing acquires a differen meaning. While you tried to pass whatever you "quoted" as the sole essence of the latter. Oh, why, why are you doing this?

    Note that Lenin did not mention any other than Christian property in the letter.
     
    Question -which other denomination had funds to expropriate other than ROC?

    Whatever your own beef with the Bolsheviks - try again, when someone asks you about Jewish pranks vis-a-vis Christian clergy during the Purim.

    You are misquoting here.

    Nope. It was a direct quote from a translation .

    Why are you trying to justify Lenin?

    Question -which other denomination had funds to expropriate other than ROC?

    Now that’s a fine question. I do not know the answer, but I suspect there were synagogues that could have been subjected to like treatment, no? Were they or not? Since the Bolshies were professed atheists, it would make sense for them to loot and appropriate them as well, so why didn’t Lenin make mention of them?

    How many of them were turned into animal stables and pens and used as anti-religion museums?

    And – lo and behold! – suddenly the whole thing acquires a differen meaning. While you tried to pass whatever you “quoted” as the sole essence of the latter.

    Why are you accusing me of claiming my quote is the sole essence of the letter? And why are you falsely claiming that there was any change in meaning of what I said?

    Lenin and the Bolshies with whom I have a beef, (isn’t it apparent why that would be), were quite simply hideous, murderous, swine. Why attempt to defend such sewage?

    Try again.

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    Nope. It was a direct quote from a translation .
     
    Are you aware of what is a "direct quote"? What you did was to choose just several fragments torn out of the context and try to pass them as the whole of the TG sent to Politburo (and not just to Molotov). Anyone could deduce that simply by reading your own linked source.

    Yet you didn't do that. Let's see - you began quoting from the "Now, and only now..." sentence, skipping half of the TG, thus deliberately misguing people of the context. Should you continue from here uninterrupted and provide the rest of the TG this would prove that you have, at least, some scruples - but no! Your next part begin's with "In order..." part, where you fail to signify that this is a phrase taken from the middle of the next paragraph. Finally, you conculde with the "The greater the number..." sentence from the end of the 2nd paragraph from where you left. How do you explain that? How do you explain, that you did nothing to signify that the parts quoted are not the entire text, that there are numerous lines between them? How do you explain that you, stragely enough, decided to distort the context?

    The answer is obvious, and Mr. Shamir already explained that. In this particular form this "TG to Molotov from Lenin" had been known for many years. All smart-arse Anti-Sovietist Russohobes tried to use it at one time or another, so they became so sure of themselves, that totally forgot that the original existed in the first place.

    You are a liar, jacques sheete. Liar, and propagator of the fakes, in which only the Fake News consuming crowd will fall.

    Why are you trying to justify Lenin?
     
    What I did was pointing out the truth. Are you against the truth? Besides - Lenin did all the justification in this TG, not me.

    Now that’s a fine question. I do not know the answer, but I suspect there were synagogues that could have been subjected to like treatment, no? Were they or not? Since the Bolshies were professed atheists, it would make sense for them to loot and appropriate them as well, so why didn’t Lenin make mention of them?

    How many of them were turned into animal stables and pens and used as anti-religion museums?
     
    A fine example of the mind, highly susceptible to the conspiracy theories thinking. "I don't know, but!..". Not only you don't know - you deliberately don't want to know. Othervise you'd learn that in the absolute figures speaking, ROC had been richer than any given denomination in the former Russian empire.

    As for synagogues repurposed for something else - Google is your friend!

    Why are you accusing me of claiming my quote is the sole essence of the letter? And why are you falsely claiming that there was any change in meaning of what I said?
     
    Explain then why you chose to quote only 3 phrases which, BY PURE COINCIDENCE, are the same regurgitated by all rabid Russophobic Anti-Sovietitsts? Why these 3 sentences out of enitre TG? What, will you deny that you did it deliberately to scor some points, to distort the message over ideological biases of yours?

    Lenin and the Bolshies with whom I have a beef, (isn’t it apparent why that would be)
     
    No. Are you a burzhuy?

    were quite simply hideous, murderous, swine. Why attempt to defend such sewage?
     
    What they did was simply amazing. Unbelievably amazing, and net positive for the humanity.

    The October Revolution was the defining event of the twentieth century. And hitherto makes history - the consequences are grandiose in scale.

    I'm not particularly fond of the "romanticism of the revolutionary years", or of the late USSR, preferring the "high imperial style" of Stalinism, but the Soviet Union was undoubtedly the greatest experiment. Yes, the first time it was not brought to the (positive) end - Lenins and Stalins are, alas, rare. But, I think, everything will return in a different guise, but, certainly, not right now. Because the alternative has outlived its usefulness.

    I view the October Revolution as one of the most positive changes of Russia in the 20th century. The Bolsheviks can be called bloody and stuff, but they had a totally constructive program and vector of the country's development. Just the total electrification, universal general education and medicine gave the country more than all of the Romanovs. Roughly speaking, the Bolsheviks had historically had to resolve all those problems of Russia that had been accumulating since the time when industrialization began for all other countries. And so, they face a prospect to, realistic "run" over a few years the cycle of development that other countries have managed to complete in a century or more. They assumed this responsibility and brought the matter to an end.

    For me, Russian, to diss them? Fuck you! And fuck all Russophebes whoever they are!
  47. @Israel Shamir
    This alleged letter of Lenin a well-known forgery, debunked years ago.

    This alleged letter of Lenin a well-known forgery, debunked years ago.

    Naturally.

    Lenin was, of course a pure choir boy, innocent as the driven snow. We all know he would have never thought of anything like that, let alone act on it. Of course.

    Can you prove that it was a forgery? It sure sounds like something Lenin would have said.

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  48. @Lyttenburgh

    I wonder if he was referring to Lenin’s directives or something earlier.
     
    You are misquoting here. I wonder, whether deliberately or not. Why not provide more quotes for those, who have an aversion for clicking at the source?

    The event at Shuia should be connected with the announcement that the Russian News Agency [ROST] recently sent to the newspapers but that was not for publication, namely, the announcement that the Black Hundreds in Petrograd were preparing to defy the decree on the removal of property of value from the churches.

    If this fact is compared with what the papers report about the attitude of the clergy to the decree on the removal of church property in addition to what we know about the illegal proclamation of Patriarch Tikhon, then it becomes perfectly clear that the Black Hundreds clergy, headed by its leader, with full deliberation is carrying out a plan at this very moment to destroy us decisively.

    It is obvious that the most influential group of the Black Hundreds clergy conceived this plan in secret meetings and that it was accepted with sufficient resolution. The events in Shuia is only
    one manifestation and actualization of this general plan.

    I think that here our opponent is making a huge strategic error by attempting to draw us into a decisive struggle now when it is especially hopeless and especially disadvantageous to him. For
    us, on the other hand, precisely at the present moment we are presented with an exceptionally favorable, even unique, opportunity when we can in 99 out of 100 chances utterly defeat our enemy with complete success and guarantee for ourselves the position we require for decades. Now and only now, when people are being eaten in famine-stricken areas, and hundreds, if not thousands, of corpses lie on the roads, we can (and therefore must) pursue the removal of church property with the most frenzied and ruthless energy and not hesitate to put down the least opposition. Now and only now, the vast majority of peasants will either be on our side, or at least will not be in a position to support to any decisive degree this handful of Black Hundreds clergy and reactionary urban petty bourgeoisie, who are willing and able to attempt to oppose this Soviet decree with a policy of force.

    We must pursue the removal of church property by any means necessary in order to secure for ourselves a fund of several hundred million gold rubles (do not forget the immense wealth of some monasteries and lauras). Without this fund any government work in general, any economic build-up in particular, and any upholding of soviet principles in Genoa especially is completely unthinkable.
     
    [...]

    Therefore, I come to the indisputable conclusion that we must precisely now smash the Black Hundreds clergy most decisively and ruthlessly and put down all resistance with such brutality that they will not forget it for several decades.

    The campaign itself for carrying out this plan I envision in the following manner:

    Only Comrade Kalinin should appear officially in regard to any measures taken--never and under no circumstance must Comrade Trotsky write anything for the press or in any other way appear before the public.
     
    [...]

    Send to Shuia one of the most energetic, clear-headed, and capable members of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee [VTsIK] or some other representative of the central government (one is better than several), giving him verbal instructions through one of the members of the Politburo. The instructions must come down to this, that in Shuia he must arrest more if possible but not less than several dozen representatives of the local clergy, the local petty bourgeoisie, and the local bourgeoisie on suspicion of direct or indirect participation in the forcible resistance to the decree of the VTsIK on the removal of property of value from churches.
    Immediately upon completion of this task, he must return to Moscow and personally deliver a report to the full session of the Politburo or to two specially authorized members of the Politburo.
    On the basis of this report, the Politburo will give a detailed directive to the judicial authorities, also verbal, that the trial of the insurrectionists from Shuia, for opposing aid to the starving, should be carried out in utmost haste and should end not other than with the shooting of the very largest number of the most influential and dangerous of the Black Hundreds in Shuia, and, if possible, not only in this city but even in Moscow and several other ecclesiastical centers.

    I think that it is advisable for us not to touch Patriarch Tikhon himself, even though he undoubtedly headed this whole revolt of slave-holders. Concerning him, the State Political Administration [GPU] must be given a secret directive that precisely at this time all communications of this personage must be monitored and their contents disclosed in all possible accuracy and detail. Require Dzerzhinsky and Unshlikht personally to report to the Politburo about this weekly.
     
    And - lo and behold! - suddenly the whole thing acquires a differen meaning. While you tried to pass whatever you "quoted" as the sole essence of the latter. Oh, why, why are you doing this?

    Note that Lenin did not mention any other than Christian property in the letter.
     
    Question -which other denomination had funds to expropriate other than ROC?

    Whatever your own beef with the Bolsheviks - try again, when someone asks you about Jewish pranks vis-a-vis Christian clergy during the Purim.

    when someone asks you about Jewish pranks vis-a-vis Christian clergy during the Purim.

    Sorry about veering a bit off topic, but you know, stuff happens.

    Hey Lyttenburgh, why did you post a well known forgery that was debunked years ago? Was that intentional or not? Explain.

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  49. @Chuck Orloski
    "Note that Lenin did not mention any other 'Christian property' in his letter."

    Dear Jacques Sheete,

    Thanks for the very informative comment... you have inspired further thought!

    Later, I will reenter Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn's "Gulag Archipelago One" and check to see if there's any mention of proletariat-revolutionary sacking of Jewish property.

    F.Y.I. I do recall Solzhenitysn's having discussed (somewhere) the Tsarist era pogrom-organizing "Black Hundreds." I must search for information on the latter pogrom in order to learn about it's target. (In meantime, I know that in 1922, the (Bolshevik-driven) Moscow Church trial commenced, and Patriarch Tikhon was summoned as a witness to the Soviet tribunal, and the entire Orthodox Church was branded a "subversive organization")

    However, a rather gnatty problem for Jewish Bolsheviks was the fact that the stamp of Old Russia was still ran so deep that the Patriarch (reportedly) received a standing ovation upon his entrance into the tribunal's "Polytechnic Museum."

    Ha-ha -- Patriarch Tikhon's entrance & ovation reminded me (in reverse) of P.M. Netanyahu's royal entrance (last year) into the U.S. capital & his address to adoring (disproportionately) anti-Obama Congressmen!

    So stupidly pliable have American "voters" become? Were it all not so deadly to the U.S.A., the mass lack of awareness would be laughable.

    At any rate, J.S., I do recall how a Russian priest started the Soviet-approved "Living Church" schismatics and aided the work of GPU collaborators.

    Remarkable how history does sordidly repeat itself? For example, in the realm of the current (toppled) U.S. government, & as the old "Living Church"stood FORCEFULLY de-Christianized under Stalin, "The Living Church" has non-violently resurrected among America's vast pro-Israel churches.

    So it is definitely not strange to see how Pastor John Hagee became a best selling author under the banner of, "Support Israeli wars and facilitate prophecy, including The Second Coming!"

    Oh Jesus -- as a life long Byzantine Catholic Church member, I hope the old saying comes true, "what goes around, comes around," and Gospel-practice makes a surprise comeback here.

    Finally, J.S., if such evidence exists, I must look into the matter of Moscow Chief Rabbi persecution and seizure of Jewish property during the creation times of the New Soviet Man.

    Snow has now covered the front of our Dodge Stratus... and thanks for posting another valuable history lesson!

    I do what little I can! :)

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  50. @Sherman
    Hey Genius

    There's nothing "sad" about Judaism.

    In fact, Jews are quite happy.

    Just yesterday Intel agreed to purchase Israeli company Mobileye for $15B.

    I'm sure this made Israelis happy and it made me happy as I own Mobileye stock and it skyrocketed yesterday.

    The question is are YOU happy? I'm sure PORK and beans make you happy!

    Sherm

    In fact, Jews are quite happy.

    Hmmm. Somebody’s making stuff up. What gives?

    Granted that the prevalence of all three disorders is low, how can anyone be happy when this state of affairs applies?

    Israeli and American scientists have discovered a gene among Ashkenazi Jews that increases their chances of developing the mental disorder schizophrenia, as well schizoaffective disorder and manic depression. According to a study recently published in Nature Communications, the gene in question raises Ashkenazi Jews’ chances of experiencing the disorders by roughly 40%, and by 15% in the general population.

    The study was conducted by Professor Ariel Darvasi, assistant dean of the Faculty of Life Sciences at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, in coordination with Dr. Todd Lencz from The Feinstein Institute for Medical Research in New York.

    http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.560128

    Yeah, I know the source isn’t the best and it could be a forgery, and the info is dated, but is this anything to be happy about?

    An analysis of surveys in Los Angeles and New Haven, Conn., found that within a one-year period, 13% of Jewish men suffered from major depression, compared with 5.4% of non-Jewish men.

    http://articles.latimes.com/1995-05-23/news/mn-5096_1_jewish-men

    If I had as much coin as Sherm, I’d see to it that something’s done about either the situation or the lies about it. I wouldn’t be happy while my fellows are suffering. If they are, of course. But then how can they be happy when they’re constantly being threatened with extermination?

    Martyrs maybe?

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    [Hmmm. Somebody’s making stuff up. What gives?]

    What gives is your blatant desire to see Israelis [Jews?] suffer. Won't happen. You are the one attempting to use genetic afflictions as a salve for your own unhappy state of mind. Really??!!

    Read this: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-04-23/these-are-the-happiest-countries-in-the-world

    Also, you'd better believe that Israel is going to be at the forefront of genetic research from which all Humanity will benefit.
  51. @Ivan
    For a certain type of Jew, the rest of us are always on probation. Satanyahoo apparently forgot Cyrus the Great who restored the ancient Hebrews to their homeland was a Persian king. No good deed goes unpunished as the Americans say. Before I got sick of the peculiar special pleading of Jewish apologists, I did not notice that every characteristic that they accuse Muslims of harbouring, viz, ancient grudges, self-righteousness, a marked inability to see the other person's point of view, myth-making from meagre facts etc. etc., are displayed to a similar extent among themselves.

    The one who shouts and points the finger, usually is the bigger criminal: Satanyahu, the massmurderer of Gazans.

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    • Replies: @jacques sheete
    Look at the punk not even standing to greet Putin. Too bad Putin didn’t stand back just out of reach and force the moron to lean way forward or stand…

    Notice also how it puts its hand in front of Putin’s face. I’d have left right there.

    I can’t wait to see that smirking pissant go the way of the She Beast, Hillary.

    https://youtu.be/d4ZULcG81Ig?t=41
  52. @jacques sheete

    You are misquoting here.
     
    Nope. It was a direct quote from a translation .

    Why are you trying to justify Lenin?


    Question -which other denomination had funds to expropriate other than ROC?

     

    Now that's a fine question. I do not know the answer, but I suspect there were synagogues that could have been subjected to like treatment, no? Were they or not? Since the Bolshies were professed atheists, it would make sense for them to loot and appropriate them as well, so why didn't Lenin make mention of them?

    How many of them were turned into animal stables and pens and used as anti-religion museums?


    And – lo and behold! – suddenly the whole thing acquires a differen meaning. While you tried to pass whatever you “quoted” as the sole essence of the latter.
     
    Why are you accusing me of claiming my quote is the sole essence of the letter? And why are you falsely claiming that there was any change in meaning of what I said?

    Lenin and the Bolshies with whom I have a beef, (isn't it apparent why that would be), were quite simply hideous, murderous, swine. Why attempt to defend such sewage?

    Try again.

    Nope. It was a direct quote from a translation .

    Are you aware of what is a “direct quote”? What you did was to choose just several fragments torn out of the context and try to pass them as the whole of the TG sent to Politburo (and not just to Molotov). Anyone could deduce that simply by reading your own linked source.

    Yet you didn’t do that. Let’s see – you began quoting from the “Now, and only now…” sentence, skipping half of the TG, thus deliberately misguing people of the context. Should you continue from here uninterrupted and provide the rest of the TG this would prove that you have, at least, some scruples – but no! Your next part begin’s with “In order…” part, where you fail to signify that this is a phrase taken from the middle of the next paragraph. Finally, you conculde with the “The greater the number…” sentence from the end of the 2nd paragraph from where you left. How do you explain that? How do you explain, that you did nothing to signify that the parts quoted are not the entire text, that there are numerous lines between them? How do you explain that you, stragely enough, decided to distort the context?

    The answer is obvious, and Mr. Shamir already explained that. In this particular form this “TG to Molotov from Lenin” had been known for many years. All smart-arse Anti-Sovietist Russohobes tried to use it at one time or another, so they became so sure of themselves, that totally forgot that the original existed in the first place.

    You are a liar, jacques sheete. Liar, and propagator of the fakes, in which only the Fake News consuming crowd will fall.

    Why are you trying to justify Lenin?

    What I did was pointing out the truth. Are you against the truth? Besides – Lenin did all the justification in this TG, not me.

    Now that’s a fine question. I do not know the answer, but I suspect there were synagogues that could have been subjected to like treatment, no? Were they or not? Since the Bolshies were professed atheists, it would make sense for them to loot and appropriate them as well, so why didn’t Lenin make mention of them?

    How many of them were turned into animal stables and pens and used as anti-religion museums?

    A fine example of the mind, highly susceptible to the conspiracy theories thinking. “I don’t know, but!..”. Not only you don’t know – you deliberately don’t want to know. Othervise you’d learn that in the absolute figures speaking, ROC had been richer than any given denomination in the former Russian empire.

    As for synagogues repurposed for something else – Google is your friend!

    Why are you accusing me of claiming my quote is the sole essence of the letter? And why are you falsely claiming that there was any change in meaning of what I said?

    Explain then why you chose to quote only 3 phrases which, BY PURE COINCIDENCE, are the same regurgitated by all rabid Russophobic Anti-Sovietitsts? Why these 3 sentences out of enitre TG? What, will you deny that you did it deliberately to scor some points, to distort the message over ideological biases of yours?

    Lenin and the Bolshies with whom I have a beef, (isn’t it apparent why that would be)

    No. Are you a burzhuy?

    were quite simply hideous, murderous, swine. Why attempt to defend such sewage?

    What they did was simply amazing. Unbelievably amazing, and net positive for the humanity.

    The October Revolution was the defining event of the twentieth century. And hitherto makes history – the consequences are grandiose in scale.

    I’m not particularly fond of the “romanticism of the revolutionary years”, or of the late USSR, preferring the “high imperial style” of Stalinism, but the Soviet Union was undoubtedly the greatest experiment. Yes, the first time it was not brought to the (positive) end – Lenins and Stalins are, alas, rare. But, I think, everything will return in a different guise, but, certainly, not right now. Because the alternative has outlived its usefulness.

    I view the October Revolution as one of the most positive changes of Russia in the 20th century. The Bolsheviks can be called bloody and stuff, but they had a totally constructive program and vector of the country’s development. Just the total electrification, universal general education and medicine gave the country more than all of the Romanovs. Roughly speaking, the Bolsheviks had historically had to resolve all those problems of Russia that had been accumulating since the time when industrialization began for all other countries. And so, they face a prospect to, realistic “run” over a few years the cycle of development that other countries have managed to complete in a century or more. They assumed this responsibility and brought the matter to an end.

    For me, Russian, to diss them? Fuck you! And fuck all Russophebes whoever they are!

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    hooray for the Bolshies!

    (As I understand the events/personalities, Trotsky was the dude who got high on killing, while Lenin opted for a kinder, gentler form of revolution and, in genuine Machiavellian fashion, killed only the necessary few -- like Trotsky. Ironical that US neocons are acolytes of Trotsky, not Lenin.)

    Susan Butler luvs her Stalin; so did FDR, Butler claims.
    https://www.c-span.org/video/?190721-1/dear-mr-stalin

    According to Butler, for Stalin to kill tens of millions of people was "necessary to realize his vision" and anyway, Butler sez, "they were kulaks." Dispensable human material.
    Hitler killing far fewer (if truth be told, which it never is), was, according to selfsame Butler, a crime of the greatest magnitude in history, a view seconded, thirded, and 6 millionthed, by the Harry Fleishes of this benighted world, because its goal was "the eradication of an entire people," more specifically, people in whom Butler had a interest (not some

    Stealing most of what was left standing after Brits & USAF bombed the hell out of Germany provided a big boost also.

    ----
    Hamentashen -- sweets named for a millennia-old tyrant.
    Caused me to remember how, when the kids were still eating at our table, we occasionally treated to Napoleons, from the bakery shop. They were great.
    The trend suggests that some day, young people will gather around a plate of Hitler confections to celebrate Aryan Nationalism, as Gustafus recounted:


    The irony of course… is the coming planetary race war will require we abandon the moral high ground we’ve lorded over demon Aryan Nationalism….. because Aryan Nationalism is all that can save us

    Chew on that awhile…. it took 72 years… but Hitler has won the war of ideas. The Nazi’s rounded up and interned the perceived enemies of their culture. German Jews were economic enemies… tribal enemies…. predatory cultural enemies…
     

    .

    Even more importantly, gustafus, Hitler, Goering, Hjalmar Schacht et cie successfully implemented implemented an economic system

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkenkfRTn4c

    that upended the debt-based system that was/is, according to Jerry Muller, the innovation of Jews
    https://www.ghi-dc.org/fileadmin/user_upload/GHI_Washington/Publications/Bulletin58/bu58_9.pdf

    On that score, I quibble with gustafus's statement that


    Right or wrong… Germans perceived Jews as mortal enemies … to be banished
     

    My assessment, based on Hitler's oft-repeated warning that manipulation of Germany's economic matters by "Jews and western financiers" must cease or meet with dire consequences, is that the Third Reich perceived the financial interference of Jews (& others) as "mortal enemies," but not Jews as Jews. That's an extremely important distinction, borne out in rhetoric and practice.


    gustafus continued:


    Both sides had concentration camps….. ours were sufficiently supplied…. Germany was unable to provide even minimal sustenance to their internees. And then DELOUSING morphed into “extermination” when victors wrote the history. Lampshades and soap …. more vitriolic folklore heaped on the German people for 72 years while Jews reclaimed their economic and political pre eminence over the occupied Aryans. http://www.unz.com/tengelhardt/michael-klare-winning-world-war-ii-in-the-twenty-first-century/#comment-1799859
     
    Will the Hitler commemorative pastry be Cupcakes tricked out like lampshades??
  53. @Max Havelaar
    The one who shouts and points the finger, usually is the bigger criminal: Satanyahu, the massmurderer of Gazans.

    Look at the punk not even standing to greet Putin. Too bad Putin didn’t stand back just out of reach and force the moron to lean way forward or stand…

    Notice also how it puts its hand in front of Putin’s face. I’d have left right there.

    I can’t wait to see that smirking pissant go the way of the She Beast, Hillary.

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  54. @Lyttenburgh

    During the latter 15th century and going into the 16th century, “Old Believer”resistance to Orthodoxy became quite a religious force in Russia. By mid-1500′s, an obscure Russian monk explicitly stated that Moscow was destined to become “The Third Rome.”
     
    If you are interested, then there are several corrections.

    One - the Old Rites Believers (Starovery) appeared only after Patriarch Nikon's reforms on unification of the rites (not the canon or the doctrine) in mid 17th c. Starovery are not "resistance" - they are heretics by all possible standards, who deny communion, altar service, recognized clergy and who, numerous times, decided to resort to a mass-self immolation as a way of "escaping the sin". The issue with them is much, much more serious than whether to cross yourself with 2 or 3 fingers.

    Two - Filofei was a great dude, not just a "monk", but a hegumen of a monastery near Pskov, who penned his "Legend of the White Cowl" in 1510 which then found its way to the Grand Prince of Moscow and Rus Vasily III. Note that first Metropolians of Moscow, and then Patriarchs of Moscow and All Russia were wearing a White Cowl.

    “Two — Filofei was a great dude, not just a “monk,” but a hegumen of a monastery near Pskov”

    Interesting, Lyttenburgh!

    It snowed here all day in Scranton , so I walked to Saint George’s Social Club, located on Keyser Avenue. I happened to sit next to an old Russian-American “dude,” and I told him what you knew about the famous monk, Filofei.

    He replied, “Oh, I think he (Filofei) also worked part time at the Novgorod Stock Exchange.”

    Despite absent sources that would help document your knowledge, thanks for passing on all the corrections, dude!

    It’s a bit early into the season of lent, but… Christos voskres.

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  55. The likely picture of the Persepolis on the Second Temple wall was most likely to remind the Jews of the benevolence of the Zoroastrianism, practiced by the then Persians and not of the dubious Iranians of the modern era professing Islam!

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    It was a picture of Susa, or Shoshan, in its Hebrew name.
  56. @Karl
    > There is way out. It is to promote a compromise between Saudis and Iran. The feud between two states is very old, much older than the Islamic revolution, but

    ...but hope springs eternal in the heart of Israel Shamir, that he can do or SOMETHING that will change the fact that, in 20 years, no one will quote him; but in 3000 years, pretty young Hebrew policewomen will STILL be writing the parking tickets in Jerusalem. Just like they were 3000 years ago.

    To what the pretty Hebrew woman was handing out the tickets 3000 years ago? Bullock carts misplaced in the front of the Temple!

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  57. Mr. Shamir,

    It was with a great sense of relief that I finally read about the real [not so]subtle point made by Putin when presenting Bibi with the ‘Jewish War’. Of course, I could not expect that you would miss it. But it looks that it was lost upon everyone else. But I am probably one of the rare people who read Josephus (in parentheses, the ‘Testimonium Flavianum’ is authentic).

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    • Replies: @iffen
    Esoteric trivia escapes the peons.
    , @jacques sheete
    Putin is definitely a class act.

    Too bad Netanyahu is a smirking thug, and Trump, like all recent US presidents, seems to be an utterly clueless ignoramus under the influence of the neocons who's already backtracking on his promises to accommodate Russia.

    As for Iran, they have never, ever been a threat to the US or the Ziomob in Israel and should be left alone. Fine culture, fine people, great history.
  58. @Lyttenburgh

    During the latter 15th century and going into the 16th century, “Old Believer”resistance to Orthodoxy became quite a religious force in Russia. By mid-1500′s, an obscure Russian monk explicitly stated that Moscow was destined to become “The Third Rome.”
     
    If you are interested, then there are several corrections.

    One - the Old Rites Believers (Starovery) appeared only after Patriarch Nikon's reforms on unification of the rites (not the canon or the doctrine) in mid 17th c. Starovery are not "resistance" - they are heretics by all possible standards, who deny communion, altar service, recognized clergy and who, numerous times, decided to resort to a mass-self immolation as a way of "escaping the sin". The issue with them is much, much more serious than whether to cross yourself with 2 or 3 fingers.

    Two - Filofei was a great dude, not just a "monk", but a hegumen of a monastery near Pskov, who penned his "Legend of the White Cowl" in 1510 which then found its way to the Grand Prince of Moscow and Rus Vasily III. Note that first Metropolians of Moscow, and then Patriarchs of Moscow and All Russia were wearing a White Cowl.

    It is known for long (among scholars) that the ‘great dude’ Filofei was no other than:

    “Feodor Vasiliyevich Kuritsyn (Russian: Федор Васильевич Курицын) (? – died no earlier than 1500), Russian statesman, philosopher and a poet. As a government official and a diplomat, Kuritsyn exerted great influence on the Russian foreign policy in the times of Ivan III. In 1482, he was sent to the Hungarian king Matthias Corvinus to conclude an anti-Polish alliance. In 1494, Kuritsyn was sent to Lithuania for the same purpose. He took part in many negotiations with foreign statesmen in Moscow….
    In 1485, Kuritsyn created a club, which later would be considered heretical. He was against monasteries and monasticism, expressed ideas about freedom of human will (“autocracy of the soul”), which he would interpret in a much broader sense than it was allowed by the orthodox theology.
    Kuritsyn’s name was last mentioned in 1500, when Ivan III gradually changed his attitude towards heretics thanks to hegumen Joseph Volotsky, who had been Kuritsyn’s staunch opponent. The tsar’s leniency gave way to persecution, which would put an end to activities of Kuritsyn’s club. Ivan III, however, spared Kuritsyn due to Volotsky’s obvious exaggerations in his accusations.”
    What Wikipedia shies to tell is that the ‘club considered heretical’ was the heresy of the Judaizers which was attacking the very foundations of the Church, which spread even to the Court and was eventually harshly put down. Fyodor was shown leniency and ‘retired’ to a monastery, where he formulated the famous theory of the “Third Rome” under the guise of monk Filofei, as what he thought was a show of repentance. The theory actually retains the ‘Judaizing’ messianic flavor of the ‘Universal Empire’ and, contrary to what is repeated ad nauseam, had no influence whatsoever on the policy of the emerging Russian Tsardom. On the contrary it was explicitly rejected. Russia stuck to the political notion of the ‘family of nations’. The theory was later embraced by the other heretical schismatics (also tinged with ‘Judaizing’ messianism), the so-called ‘Old Believers’.
    If there is a ‘double-entendre’ in Putin’s gift to Netanyahu, it is the warning that Israel would meet the same fate as Judaea if it wanted to play the same game.

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  59. @anarchyst
    Actually Muslims and Jews ARE related and can be compared to "squabbling relatives"...Both the Islamic Qur'an and Jewish Talmud have virtually identical passages that promote each cult's brand of supremacy over others (unbelievers).
    The Talmud states that non-believers are the equivalent of "livestock" to be used for the advantage of the Jew. Punishments for outsiders who transgress against Jews and Muslims are much greater that punishments for Jews and Muslims who commit criminal acts against outsiders.
    One difference between Judaism and Islam is the way Jesus Christ is treated.
    The Jewish Talmud regards Jesus Christ as an apostate, boiling in excrement for eternity while his mother Mary is considered a harlot who consorted with a Roman soldier.
    Islam regards Jesus Christ as a great prophet...not the "Son of God", but a great prophet, nonetheless. His mother Mary is specifically mentioned in the Qur'an and is given a place of high honor.
    There are many instances of Jews spitting on and harassing Christians in Israel...
    Now which belief system has a greater hatred of Christianity??

    Intriguingly, the Talmud boils Jesus for eternity in semen. The other enemies of the Jews, Titus and Balaam are boiled in excrement. In another section, these three are summoned from hell by an Emperor and asked should he persecute the Jews. Jesus alone said no because, as translated, they are the apple of his eye. I suppose these could be interpolations, but it might suggest they cursed Jesus’s teaching rather than his upbringing which was Jewish of course. A moment of indulgence by the Talmud?

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  60. Isn’t Purim effectively a generalized celebration of the defeat of the Jews’ enemies* throughout all time?

    * Some would say the Jews’ victims.

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  61. @Pachyderm Pachyderma
    The likely picture of the Persepolis on the Second Temple wall was most likely to remind the Jews of the benevolence of the Zoroastrianism, practiced by the then Persians and not of the dubious Iranians of the modern era professing Islam!

    It was a picture of Susa, or Shoshan, in its Hebrew name.

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  62. @Ilyana_Rozumova
    Josephus is an invented figure never existed.
    Events of Jo ois uprising including story of Mosada was recorded by Roman historian Cornelius.
    Everything written under name Josephus is a partial copy and forgery.

    Can you share with us how you made this fenomenal ‘discovery’?

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    I have seen long time ago first movie about Masada there was reference to Cornelius.
    , @Ilyana_Rozumova
    Even the name Josephus is kind of relatively idiotic conception. The name Joseph is an ancient Jooish name although I do suspect that the name was probably stolen from Phoenicians. Most of the Roman first names are ending with us (Julius Augustus Luculus etc.) So somebody who was rewriting history was taking Joowish name added to it Roman ending, trying to add authenticity. Jooz are well known to rewrite history. Wikipedia is the shining example. Jooz love to present and emphasize their prominence in human development and history, by stealing intellectual properties and historical writings of other nations. Most of the Old Testament stories were taken from Babylonian writings and Babylonian legends.
    Here is my reasoning why.
    Some people who dislike Jooz are calling them a tribe.
    That is in my opinion the ultimate irony.
    Jooz were never a tribe. Jooz were collection of slaves of Egypt gained in any wars Pharaoh waged against tribes and nations surrounding them. Although there could be that one tribe, particularly Hebrews was prevalent among them, but there is no record about them as where they lived before capture and anything about history before capture. Naturally the story of Abraham is an invented story. One day these people whose affiliation was only the fact that the had common ties as being slaves made a revolution. Once they crossed the red see led by Moses, the primary goal of leadership of uprising was to keep this people together and create a nation, and prevent them returning to their native lands.
    This epic effort undiminished, although the methods may be changed, survived to present days.
  63. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @iffen
    Arts, don't mess with Sherm.

    Rehmat has been missing for weeks and I think that Gus's peeps may have killed his goat.

    Keith Says:

    “Arts, don’t mess with Sherm”

    Iffen ….didn’t I strongly suggest you just sip the beer and be silent?

    I notice you found another Zionist racist to assist you in your failed effort to push more Hasbara propaganda. What happen to Sam the Sham? I know.. he knows the Purim story and doesn’t want be embarrassed trying to support the war criminal, Netanyahu.

    See attached .. A spokesman for Iranian Jews slammed Netanyahu for his anti Iranian ranting.

    http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2017/03/15/514424/Iran-Jewish-Netanyahu

    This needed to be posted because it will never be reported on our Zio Hasbara main stream media.

    This is not the first time Israeli Jewish leadership attacked those who pulled the Jew’s chestnuts out of the fire. The Jews bombed the King David Hotel and killed British citizens only a couple of years after the British defeated the NAZIs.

    Iffen…. you and Sam the Sham are not fighting the good fight. You are trying to defend a cause that is not defensible.

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    The good article that you provided a link to, has this comment: "Tomb of Esther and Mordachai, the two Jewish heroes of Purim story are in Iran, lasted all these thousands of years, overseen by Iranian jews to this date. Until Netanyahu came around, the jewish history celebrated this particular story, as how kind Iran from ancient times been to Jews. It is only under this mass murderer Netanyahu, that the story is being changed. He is rewriting Jewish history for his demonic plans."
    The article proper states the following (which should send Bibi "boiling in ....")
    "According to Jewish accounts, Persian King Xerxes I discovered his viceroy Haman the Agagite’s conspiracy to slaughter Jews some 2,500 years ago and had him executed. ...Netanyahu has been selective in his recount of history, ignoring the Hebrew Bible which has repeatedly praised Persian King Cyrus the Great as the patron and deliverer of the Jews who put an end to their Babylonian captivity." http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2017/03/15/514424/Iran-Jewish-Netanyahu
    If anything, the bloody anti-Persian celebration of Purim and the deadly demonization of Iranians by ziocons (the international Lobby) make a spectacular case of ingratitude.
    The demonized Germans understand this. The demonized Russians understand this.
  64. @Seraphim
    Can you share with us how you made this fenomenal 'discovery'?

    I have seen long time ago first movie about Masada there was reference to Cornelius.

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  65. @Seraphim
    Mr. Shamir,

    It was with a great sense of relief that I finally read about the real [not so]subtle point made by Putin when presenting Bibi with the 'Jewish War'. Of course, I could not expect that you would miss it. But it looks that it was lost upon everyone else. But I am probably one of the rare people who read Josephus (in parentheses, the 'Testimonium Flavianum' is authentic).

    Esoteric trivia escapes the peons.

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    You are right. But it was nothing esoteric to it. It was made in plain view. If esoterica being by definition 'secret' escape the peons, failure to see what's obvious is sign of obtusity, if not obduracy. "For I will not go up with thee, because thou art a stiff-necked people, lest I consume thee by the way. 4 And the people having heard this grievous saying, mourned in mourning apparel. 5 For the Lord said to the children of Israel, Ye are a stiff-necked people; take heed lest I bring on you another plague, and destroy you..."
  66. @Seraphim
    Mr. Shamir,

    It was with a great sense of relief that I finally read about the real [not so]subtle point made by Putin when presenting Bibi with the 'Jewish War'. Of course, I could not expect that you would miss it. But it looks that it was lost upon everyone else. But I am probably one of the rare people who read Josephus (in parentheses, the 'Testimonium Flavianum' is authentic).

    Putin is definitely a class act.

    Too bad Netanyahu is a smirking thug, and Trump, like all recent US presidents, seems to be an utterly clueless ignoramus under the influence of the neocons who’s already backtracking on his promises to accommodate Russia.

    As for Iran, they have never, ever been a threat to the US or the Ziomob in Israel and should be left alone. Fine culture, fine people, great history.

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    Jacques,

    I agree, V. Putin is a (political) "class act" on the international scene. However, below is an article written in April 2001 and where author J. St. Clair finds Putin less than a "class act" on the personal side of the scale.

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2001/04/17/down-the-river-with-vladimir-putin/

    P.M. Netanayahu is a "smirking thug" but that is a esential job requirement for one to become Israel's P.M.

    At any rate, please note how author Israel Shamir wrote, "I am aware of realpolitik."

    Today, & speaking respectfully to I.S., the honorable concept of "realpolitik" is down sized to something recklessly UNREAL.

    For me, Political scientist, I can list (off hand) quite a few interesting circumstances that might influence President Putin to "drop Iran."

    A "realpolitik" advocate would benefit by staying " tuned" to the virtually "unreal" possibilities that could happen while B. Netanyahu has the ear of our planet's two (2) Superpower leaders.

    For now, I want to offer a claim that there's more going on in discussions involving international Oligarchs, Putin, Netanyahu, and Trump than I (a school bus driver) can handle alone.

    It's been real and thanks for the exchange!
  67. @jacques sheete

    however I was wondering to what you would apply it since it could be quite vast.
     
    Apparently you have read it!

    It is vast, and so are the lessons therein. It's beyond someone of my meager abilities to summarize it, and any attempts for me to attempt it especially in a venue such as this would be risible to the max. Any attempt at commentary would be an insult to the work itself. Res ipsa loquitur applies and nothing else will do.

    All I can say is that there are many lessons that apply perfectly to today. The basic issues and attempts to deal with them have not changed substantially.

    Indeed I have read it but unless you are after some specific things , I am not sure why Josephus was so essential in general. I think I found Thucydides to have had more of an impact on me , but that is because it served my interest in the economics of imperialism.

    For me personally Josephus provides the ground work which inspired the book of Revelation. Thus it shows the book of Revelation for what it is, an apocalyptic poem that described real events such as Jerusalem rent in three ( 3 factions infighting in Jerusalem) and 1 talent hail stones from the heavens (being the roman catapults).

    I was just curious why you thought it was so profound.

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    I just feel that it makes sense in general to get as close to primary sources as possible. Note that even that is fraught with controversy.

    Nothing, it seems can be presented that isn't called a fraud by someone, but reading Josephus gives a lot of insight into what's going on today. Fraud or not, it reveals a lot of the methods that people resort to today.

    For me it shows especially how it's not exactly new how devious the Israeli leadership today is, and that certain people are not always the poor little victims we're supposed to think they are.
    , @jacques sheete

    I was just curious why you thought it was so profound.

     

    I never said I thought it was profound. I never even thought it was profound. The word, "profound" in connection with Josephus never ever occurred to me.

    That's one reason why I try to avoid long discussions on most topics. A person cannot state anything clearly enough to avoid being misinterpreted.

    Notice the ridiculous responses I got to my post #22, for example.

    It just isn't worth the effort to offer explanations in most cases and in this case, that's all I'm gonna say. In my opinion the case is closed. I will engage in no further discussion about it.
  68. @Seraphim
    Can you share with us how you made this fenomenal 'discovery'?

    Even the name Josephus is kind of relatively idiotic conception. The name Joseph is an ancient Jooish name although I do suspect that the name was probably stolen from Phoenicians. Most of the Roman first names are ending with us (Julius Augustus Luculus etc.) So somebody who was rewriting history was taking Joowish name added to it Roman ending, trying to add authenticity. Jooz are well known to rewrite history. Wikipedia is the shining example. Jooz love to present and emphasize their prominence in human development and history, by stealing intellectual properties and historical writings of other nations. Most of the Old Testament stories were taken from Babylonian writings and Babylonian legends.
    Here is my reasoning why.
    Some people who dislike Jooz are calling them a tribe.
    That is in my opinion the ultimate irony.
    Jooz were never a tribe. Jooz were collection of slaves of Egypt gained in any wars Pharaoh waged against tribes and nations surrounding them. Although there could be that one tribe, particularly Hebrews was prevalent among them, but there is no record about them as where they lived before capture and anything about history before capture. Naturally the story of Abraham is an invented story. One day these people whose affiliation was only the fact that the had common ties as being slaves made a revolution. Once they crossed the red see led by Moses, the primary goal of leadership of uprising was to keep this people together and create a nation, and prevent them returning to their native lands.
    This epic effort undiminished, although the methods may be changed, survived to present days.

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  69. Why does every discussion having to do with Jews always seem to boil down to religion or a religious context? Is Judaism a religion … a tight-knit ethnic community … or an exclusive global business syndicate?

    I remember reading a study that alleged that (at least in the United States), only 17% of Jews were religious. The other 83% valued Judaism for its ceremonials and business connections.

    Indeed, I once worked for a Jewish millionaire with a solid reputation and status in the Jewish community. He told me he was a non-practicing Jew; he said he was an atheist.

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    Is Judaism a religion … a tight-knit ethnic community … or an exclusive global business syndicate?

     

    That's a good question and I've asked several rabbis and have heard no definitve answer beyond what's given here:

    Who is a Jew?

    www.jewfaq.org/whoisjew.htm

    A Jew is any person whose mother was a Jew or any person who has gone through the formal process of conversion to Judaism.

    It is important to note that being a Jew has nothing to do with what you believe or what you do. [!!!!!]A person born to non-Jewish parents who has not undergone the formal process of conversion but who believes everything that Orthodox Jews believe and observes every law and custom of Judaism is still a non-Jew, even in the eyes of the most liberal movements of Judaism, and a person born to a Jewish mother who is an atheist and never practices the Jewish religion is still a Jew, even in the eyes of the ultra-Orthodox. In this sense, Judaism is more like a nationality than like other religions, and being Jewish is like a citizenship. See What Is Judaism?

     

    Evidently today, in practice, certain segments of the population function as a super-mafia. It is not monolithic.
  70. @gwynedd1
    Indeed I have read it but unless you are after some specific things , I am not sure why Josephus was so essential in general. I think I found Thucydides to have had more of an impact on me , but that is because it served my interest in the economics of imperialism.

    For me personally Josephus provides the ground work which inspired the book of Revelation. Thus it shows the book of Revelation for what it is, an apocalyptic poem that described real events such as Jerusalem rent in three ( 3 factions infighting in Jerusalem) and 1 talent hail stones from the heavens (being the roman catapults).

    I was just curious why you thought it was so profound.

    I just feel that it makes sense in general to get as close to primary sources as possible. Note that even that is fraught with controversy.

    Nothing, it seems can be presented that isn’t called a fraud by someone, but reading Josephus gives a lot of insight into what’s going on today. Fraud or not, it reveals a lot of the methods that people resort to today.

    For me it shows especially how it’s not exactly new how devious the Israeli leadership today is, and that certain people are not always the poor little victims we’re supposed to think they are.

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    • Replies: @gwynedd1
    Josephus might give a second look at what is already readily apparent in the bible. The problem is people are so used to the Christian interpretation that they are blind to it. The Jewish Messiah is quite obviously a conqueror. Judaism is not a pacifist religion of frolicking sheep headers.

    The bulk of the Jews are actually fitting to destroy themselves with this Israel idea. Their strength was in the diaspora. They are now assembling into the kind of state that they demonstrated can be so easily subverted. However that is religion for you. It is a blind fold.
  71. @TheJester
    Why does every discussion having to do with Jews always seem to boil down to religion or a religious context? Is Judaism a religion ... a tight-knit ethnic community ... or an exclusive global business syndicate?

    I remember reading a study that alleged that (at least in the United States), only 17% of Jews were religious. The other 83% valued Judaism for its ceremonials and business connections.

    Indeed, I once worked for a Jewish millionaire with a solid reputation and status in the Jewish community. He told me he was a non-practicing Jew; he said he was an atheist.

    Is Judaism a religion … a tight-knit ethnic community … or an exclusive global business syndicate?

    That’s a good question and I’ve asked several rabbis and have heard no definitve answer beyond what’s given here:

    Who is a Jew?

    http://www.jewfaq.org/whoisjew.htm

    A Jew is any person whose mother was a Jew or any person who has gone through the formal process of conversion to Judaism.

    It is important to note that being a Jew has nothing to do with what you believe or what you do. [!!!!!]A person born to non-Jewish parents who has not undergone the formal process of conversion but who believes everything that Orthodox Jews believe and observes every law and custom of Judaism is still a non-Jew, even in the eyes of the most liberal movements of Judaism, and a person born to a Jewish mother who is an atheist and never practices the Jewish religion is still a Jew, even in the eyes of the ultra-Orthodox. In this sense, Judaism is more like a nationality than like other religions, and being Jewish is like a citizenship. See What Is Judaism?

    Evidently today, in practice, certain segments of the population function as a super-mafia. It is not monolithic.

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  72. @gwynedd1
    Indeed I have read it but unless you are after some specific things , I am not sure why Josephus was so essential in general. I think I found Thucydides to have had more of an impact on me , but that is because it served my interest in the economics of imperialism.

    For me personally Josephus provides the ground work which inspired the book of Revelation. Thus it shows the book of Revelation for what it is, an apocalyptic poem that described real events such as Jerusalem rent in three ( 3 factions infighting in Jerusalem) and 1 talent hail stones from the heavens (being the roman catapults).

    I was just curious why you thought it was so profound.

    I was just curious why you thought it was so profound.

    I never said I thought it was profound. I never even thought it was profound. The word, “profound” in connection with Josephus never ever occurred to me.

    That’s one reason why I try to avoid long discussions on most topics. A person cannot state anything clearly enough to avoid being misinterpreted.

    Notice the ridiculous responses I got to my post #22, for example.

    It just isn’t worth the effort to offer explanations in most cases and in this case, that’s all I’m gonna say. In my opinion the case is closed. I will engage in no further discussion about it.

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  73. @jacques sheete
    I just feel that it makes sense in general to get as close to primary sources as possible. Note that even that is fraught with controversy.

    Nothing, it seems can be presented that isn't called a fraud by someone, but reading Josephus gives a lot of insight into what's going on today. Fraud or not, it reveals a lot of the methods that people resort to today.

    For me it shows especially how it's not exactly new how devious the Israeli leadership today is, and that certain people are not always the poor little victims we're supposed to think they are.

    Josephus might give a second look at what is already readily apparent in the bible. The problem is people are so used to the Christian interpretation that they are blind to it. The Jewish Messiah is quite obviously a conqueror. Judaism is not a pacifist religion of frolicking sheep headers.

    The bulk of the Jews are actually fitting to destroy themselves with this Israel idea. Their strength was in the diaspora. They are now assembling into the kind of state that they demonstrated can be so easily subverted. However that is religion for you. It is a blind fold.

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  74. @Anon
    Keith Says:

    "Arts, don't mess with Sherm"


    Iffen ....didn't I strongly suggest you just sip the beer and be silent?


    I notice you found another Zionist racist to assist you in your failed effort to push more Hasbara propaganda. What happen to Sam the Sham? I know.. he knows the Purim story and doesn't want be embarrassed trying to support the war criminal, Netanyahu.


    See attached .. A spokesman for Iranian Jews slammed Netanyahu for his anti Iranian ranting.

    http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2017/03/15/514424/Iran-Jewish-Netanyahu

    This needed to be posted because it will never be reported on our Zio Hasbara main stream media.

    This is not the first time Israeli Jewish leadership attacked those who pulled the Jew's chestnuts out of the fire. The Jews bombed the King David Hotel and killed British citizens only a couple of years after the British defeated the NAZIs.

    Iffen.... you and Sam the Sham are not fighting the good fight. You are trying to defend a cause that is not defensible.

    The good article that you provided a link to, has this comment: “Tomb of Esther and Mordachai, the two Jewish heroes of Purim story are in Iran, lasted all these thousands of years, overseen by Iranian jews to this date. Until Netanyahu came around, the jewish history celebrated this particular story, as how kind Iran from ancient times been to Jews. It is only under this mass murderer Netanyahu, that the story is being changed. He is rewriting Jewish history for his demonic plans.”
    The article proper states the following (which should send Bibi “boiling in ….”)
    “According to Jewish accounts, Persian King Xerxes I discovered his viceroy Haman the Agagite’s conspiracy to slaughter Jews some 2,500 years ago and had him executed. …Netanyahu has been selective in his recount of history, ignoring the Hebrew Bible which has repeatedly praised Persian King Cyrus the Great as the patron and deliverer of the Jews who put an end to their Babylonian captivity.” http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2017/03/15/514424/Iran-Jewish-Netanyahu
    If anything, the bloody anti-Persian celebration of Purim and the deadly demonization of Iranians by ziocons (the international Lobby) make a spectacular case of ingratitude.
    The demonized Germans understand this. The demonized Russians understand this.

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    Repeating total nonsense. Haman was Palestinian. Even bible confirm that.
    , @SolontoCroesus

    “According to Jewish accounts, Persian King Xerxes I discovered his viceroy Haman the Agagite’s conspiracy to slaughter Jews some 2,500 years ago and had him executed.
     
    Not 100% accurate to the story as told in the very book.
    First, Mordechai concealed his Jewish ethnicity and told Esther to do the same. It's unfathomable why this act of deception: the Iranian empire encompassed and empowered numerous ethnicities -- then and now. There was no need for the deception; maybe it was a "hard habit to break?"

    Furthermore, Mordechai employed himself as a spy;
    Mordechai and Mordechai alone refused to pay the respect to Haman that all others in the Iranian empire paid -- I wonder if he wore a pink hat that looked like horns?
    When Haman reported that a person close to the Persian king's citadel at Susa refused to pay the required respect, Mordechai grew testy.
    It's noteworthy that there is no outside evidence of an order by Haman to "kill all the Jews;" only Mordechai's assertion. Sound familiar?

    As the story progresses and Haman comes to be perceived as one who is in a position of influence and will not take guff from Yehud, the appellation "Agagite" is applied to him and his forebears; apparently this use of the term is the only use that linguists can trace --


    International Standard Bible Encyclopedia -
    AGAGITE

    a'-gag-it, ('aghaghi, from, 'aghagh, "a member of the house of Agag"):

    A title of opprobrium given to Haman (Esther 3:1,10; 8:3,5; 9:24). Jewish tradition always assigned the arch-enemies of Israel membership in the house of Amalek, the hereditary foe of the nation. Compare Ant, XI, vi, 5. The word Agag has properly been taken by Delitzsch as related to the Assyrian agagu, "to be powerful," "vehement," "angry." In the Greek parts of Esther, Haman is termed a Macedonian (Esther 1:2-6; 1:6-10). The name Haman is probably of Elamitic origin. Oppert's attempt to connect the term "Agagite" with "Agaz," a Median tribe mentioned by Sargon, has found no supporters.
     

    Something like a first run at the all-purpose "antisemite" slur.

    Speaking of all-purpose slurs and Jewish chariness at being called to account in ways that begin to impair their freedom of Mordechai-like (i.e. deceptive & vengeful) movement, Rabbi Mendy Cohen pulled a Mordechai and demanded that Amazon delete from its inventory books that "deny the Holocaust" or promote "Nazi propaganda."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0J3yNY4jEM

    Among the books banned by Jeff Bezos's Amazon online store are books by Germar Rudolf, including his carefully argued "Lectures on the Holocaust." That work is, however, available online -- http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1&page_id=15

    I encourage all who believe that the RIGHT to free speech requires the RESPONSIBILITY to protect that right and resist attempts to constrain it, to take some action.

    One effective, nonviolent and informative act of protection of the Right to Free Speech might be to organize Readings of Banned Books: the French Revolution gathered its energy from numerous salons where the issues of the day were robustly debated.

    Go Forth and READ!
    MAGA!

  75. Purim was a pure slaughter (was it 75,000?) justified by the preemptive war principle. No different than Stalin purges based on rumors, false accusation, provocations and denunciations but really driven by paranoias and blood lust. If Russians were like Jews in 1000 years from now they might celebrate a holiday to commemorate the destruction of the enemies of the people by Stalin in 1930′s. If the recent efforts of neo-Stalinist and Russian chauvinists to whitewash Soviet crimes, exemplified here by commenters like Smoothie and Lyttenburgh and Stalin sympathizer Israel Shamir, succeed it may become reality.

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  76. @jacques sheete
    Putin is definitely a class act.

    Too bad Netanyahu is a smirking thug, and Trump, like all recent US presidents, seems to be an utterly clueless ignoramus under the influence of the neocons who's already backtracking on his promises to accommodate Russia.

    As for Iran, they have never, ever been a threat to the US or the Ziomob in Israel and should be left alone. Fine culture, fine people, great history.

    Jacques,

    I agree, V. Putin is a (political) “class act” on the international scene. However, below is an article written in April 2001 and where author J. St. Clair finds Putin less than a “class act” on the personal side of the scale.

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2001/04/17/down-the-river-with-vladimir-putin/

    P.M. Netanayahu is a “smirking thug” but that is a esential job requirement for one to become Israel’s P.M.

    At any rate, please note how author Israel Shamir wrote, “I am aware of realpolitik.”

    Today, & speaking respectfully to I.S., the honorable concept of “realpolitik” is down sized to something recklessly UNREAL.

    For me, Political scientist, I can list (off hand) quite a few interesting circumstances that might influence President Putin to “drop Iran.”

    A “realpolitik” advocate would benefit by staying ” tuned” to the virtually “unreal” possibilities that could happen while B. Netanyahu has the ear of our planet’s two (2) Superpower leaders.

    For now, I want to offer a claim that there’s more going on in discussions involving international Oligarchs, Putin, Netanyahu, and Trump than I (a school bus driver) can handle alone.

    It’s been real and thanks for the exchange!

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    where author J. St. Clair finds Putin less than a “class act” on the personal side of the scale.
     
    Chuck,

    I'm not sure I'd put too much faith in what he has to say. Counterpunch keeps asking for contributions but they'll get none from me while he's on board.
  77. @Lyttenburgh

    Nope. It was a direct quote from a translation .
     
    Are you aware of what is a "direct quote"? What you did was to choose just several fragments torn out of the context and try to pass them as the whole of the TG sent to Politburo (and not just to Molotov). Anyone could deduce that simply by reading your own linked source.

    Yet you didn't do that. Let's see - you began quoting from the "Now, and only now..." sentence, skipping half of the TG, thus deliberately misguing people of the context. Should you continue from here uninterrupted and provide the rest of the TG this would prove that you have, at least, some scruples - but no! Your next part begin's with "In order..." part, where you fail to signify that this is a phrase taken from the middle of the next paragraph. Finally, you conculde with the "The greater the number..." sentence from the end of the 2nd paragraph from where you left. How do you explain that? How do you explain, that you did nothing to signify that the parts quoted are not the entire text, that there are numerous lines between them? How do you explain that you, stragely enough, decided to distort the context?

    The answer is obvious, and Mr. Shamir already explained that. In this particular form this "TG to Molotov from Lenin" had been known for many years. All smart-arse Anti-Sovietist Russohobes tried to use it at one time or another, so they became so sure of themselves, that totally forgot that the original existed in the first place.

    You are a liar, jacques sheete. Liar, and propagator of the fakes, in which only the Fake News consuming crowd will fall.

    Why are you trying to justify Lenin?
     
    What I did was pointing out the truth. Are you against the truth? Besides - Lenin did all the justification in this TG, not me.

    Now that’s a fine question. I do not know the answer, but I suspect there were synagogues that could have been subjected to like treatment, no? Were they or not? Since the Bolshies were professed atheists, it would make sense for them to loot and appropriate them as well, so why didn’t Lenin make mention of them?

    How many of them were turned into animal stables and pens and used as anti-religion museums?
     
    A fine example of the mind, highly susceptible to the conspiracy theories thinking. "I don't know, but!..". Not only you don't know - you deliberately don't want to know. Othervise you'd learn that in the absolute figures speaking, ROC had been richer than any given denomination in the former Russian empire.

    As for synagogues repurposed for something else - Google is your friend!

    Why are you accusing me of claiming my quote is the sole essence of the letter? And why are you falsely claiming that there was any change in meaning of what I said?
     
    Explain then why you chose to quote only 3 phrases which, BY PURE COINCIDENCE, are the same regurgitated by all rabid Russophobic Anti-Sovietitsts? Why these 3 sentences out of enitre TG? What, will you deny that you did it deliberately to scor some points, to distort the message over ideological biases of yours?

    Lenin and the Bolshies with whom I have a beef, (isn’t it apparent why that would be)
     
    No. Are you a burzhuy?

    were quite simply hideous, murderous, swine. Why attempt to defend such sewage?
     
    What they did was simply amazing. Unbelievably amazing, and net positive for the humanity.

    The October Revolution was the defining event of the twentieth century. And hitherto makes history - the consequences are grandiose in scale.

    I'm not particularly fond of the "romanticism of the revolutionary years", or of the late USSR, preferring the "high imperial style" of Stalinism, but the Soviet Union was undoubtedly the greatest experiment. Yes, the first time it was not brought to the (positive) end - Lenins and Stalins are, alas, rare. But, I think, everything will return in a different guise, but, certainly, not right now. Because the alternative has outlived its usefulness.

    I view the October Revolution as one of the most positive changes of Russia in the 20th century. The Bolsheviks can be called bloody and stuff, but they had a totally constructive program and vector of the country's development. Just the total electrification, universal general education and medicine gave the country more than all of the Romanovs. Roughly speaking, the Bolsheviks had historically had to resolve all those problems of Russia that had been accumulating since the time when industrialization began for all other countries. And so, they face a prospect to, realistic "run" over a few years the cycle of development that other countries have managed to complete in a century or more. They assumed this responsibility and brought the matter to an end.

    For me, Russian, to diss them? Fuck you! And fuck all Russophebes whoever they are!

    hooray for the Bolshies!

    (As I understand the events/personalities, Trotsky was the dude who got high on killing, while Lenin opted for a kinder, gentler form of revolution and, in genuine Machiavellian fashion, killed only the necessary few — like Trotsky. Ironical that US neocons are acolytes of Trotsky, not Lenin.)

    Susan Butler luvs her Stalin; so did FDR, Butler claims.

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?190721-1/dear-mr-stalin

    According to Butler, for Stalin to kill tens of millions of people was “necessary to realize his vision” and anyway, Butler sez, “they were kulaks.” Dispensable human material.
    Hitler killing far fewer (if truth be told, which it never is), was, according to selfsame Butler, a crime of the greatest magnitude in history, a view seconded, thirded, and 6 millionthed, by the Harry Fleishes of this benighted world, because its goal was “the eradication of an entire people,” more specifically, people in whom Butler had a interest (not some

    Stealing most of what was left standing after Brits & USAF bombed the hell out of Germany provided a big boost also.

    —-
    Hamentashen — sweets named for a millennia-old tyrant.
    Caused me to remember how, when the kids were still eating at our table, we occasionally treated to Napoleons, from the bakery shop. They were great.
    The trend suggests that some day, young people will gather around a plate of Hitler confections to celebrate Aryan Nationalism, as Gustafus recounted:

    The irony of course… is the coming planetary race war will require we abandon the moral high ground we’ve lorded over demon Aryan Nationalism….. because Aryan Nationalism is all that can save us

    Chew on that awhile…. it took 72 years… but Hitler has won the war of ideas. The Nazi’s rounded up and interned the perceived enemies of their culture. German Jews were economic enemies… tribal enemies…. predatory cultural enemies…

    .

    Even more importantly, gustafus, Hitler, Goering, Hjalmar Schacht et cie successfully implemented implemented an economic system

    that upended the debt-based system that was/is, according to Jerry Muller, the innovation of Jews

    https://www.ghi-dc.org/fileadmin/user_upload/GHI_Washington/Publications/Bulletin58/bu58_9.pdf

    On that score, I quibble with gustafus’s statement that

    Right or wrong… Germans perceived Jews as mortal enemies … to be banished

    My assessment, based on Hitler’s oft-repeated warning that manipulation of Germany’s economic matters by “Jews and western financiers” must cease or meet with dire consequences, is that the Third Reich perceived the financial interference of Jews (& others) as “mortal enemies,” but not Jews as Jews. That’s an extremely important distinction, borne out in rhetoric and practice.

    gustafus continued:

    Both sides had concentration camps….. ours were sufficiently supplied…. Germany was unable to provide even minimal sustenance to their internees. And then DELOUSING morphed into “extermination” when victors wrote the history. Lampshades and soap …. more vitriolic folklore heaped on the German people for 72 years while Jews reclaimed their economic and political pre eminence over the occupied Aryans. http://www.unz.com/tengelhardt/michael-klare-winning-world-war-ii-in-the-twenty-first-century/#comment-1799859

    Will the Hitler commemorative pastry be Cupcakes tricked out like lampshades??

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    Re: Muller

    did you mean this link?

    https://www.ghi-dc.org/publications/ghi-bulletin/issue-58-spring-2016

    https://www.ghi-dc.org/fileadmin/user_upload/GHI_Washington/Publications/Bulletin58/bu58_9.pdf
  78. @annamaria
    The good article that you provided a link to, has this comment: "Tomb of Esther and Mordachai, the two Jewish heroes of Purim story are in Iran, lasted all these thousands of years, overseen by Iranian jews to this date. Until Netanyahu came around, the jewish history celebrated this particular story, as how kind Iran from ancient times been to Jews. It is only under this mass murderer Netanyahu, that the story is being changed. He is rewriting Jewish history for his demonic plans."
    The article proper states the following (which should send Bibi "boiling in ....")
    "According to Jewish accounts, Persian King Xerxes I discovered his viceroy Haman the Agagite’s conspiracy to slaughter Jews some 2,500 years ago and had him executed. ...Netanyahu has been selective in his recount of history, ignoring the Hebrew Bible which has repeatedly praised Persian King Cyrus the Great as the patron and deliverer of the Jews who put an end to their Babylonian captivity." http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2017/03/15/514424/Iran-Jewish-Netanyahu
    If anything, the bloody anti-Persian celebration of Purim and the deadly demonization of Iranians by ziocons (the international Lobby) make a spectacular case of ingratitude.
    The demonized Germans understand this. The demonized Russians understand this.

    Repeating total nonsense. Haman was Palestinian. Even bible confirm that.

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  79. @Ilyana_Rozumova
    Repeating total nonsense. Haman was Palestinian. Even bible confirm that.

    Even bible confirm that.

    Citation, please?

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    OMG please get yourself a bible and read the book of Esther.
    All events written in book of Esther did happen in Jerusalem.
    There is misconception in the mind of people about this chapter.
    What people do not know is this: Persian king and king of Persia is not the same term.
    King of Persia is the true king of Persia living in Teheran. Persian king means Persian ruler, and there were many of them, subjects to king of Persia. They did rule territories conquered by Persian army
    (Once I was talking to educated Iranian and presented to him the events in book of Ester presuming that it happened in the court of king of Persia.
    He was looking at me like I would happen to fall from the moon.)
    , @Seraphim
    The Book of Esther (3:1) identifies Haman as the descendent of Agag, King of Amalek.
    The Amalekites are descendants of Amalek, a grandson of Esau, who derive their origins from Edom (Genesis 36:11–12, 15–16).

    "Edom (/ˈiːdəm/ [1] or /ˈiː.dʌm/;[2] Hebrew: אֱדוֹם, Modern Edom, Tiberian ʼĔḏôm; , lit.: "red"; Assyrian: Udumi; Syriac: ܐܕܘܡ) is the name of a country and a people located initially in Transjordan, between Ammon to the north, the Dead Sea and the Arabah to the west, and the Arabian desert to the south and east."
    Close to Palestine, but NOT Palestine. The Kingdom of Edom was identified with Arabia Petrensis.

    You can see the devastating effects of the 'half-erudition'.
  80. @Chuck Orloski
    Jacques,

    I agree, V. Putin is a (political) "class act" on the international scene. However, below is an article written in April 2001 and where author J. St. Clair finds Putin less than a "class act" on the personal side of the scale.

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2001/04/17/down-the-river-with-vladimir-putin/

    P.M. Netanayahu is a "smirking thug" but that is a esential job requirement for one to become Israel's P.M.

    At any rate, please note how author Israel Shamir wrote, "I am aware of realpolitik."

    Today, & speaking respectfully to I.S., the honorable concept of "realpolitik" is down sized to something recklessly UNREAL.

    For me, Political scientist, I can list (off hand) quite a few interesting circumstances that might influence President Putin to "drop Iran."

    A "realpolitik" advocate would benefit by staying " tuned" to the virtually "unreal" possibilities that could happen while B. Netanyahu has the ear of our planet's two (2) Superpower leaders.

    For now, I want to offer a claim that there's more going on in discussions involving international Oligarchs, Putin, Netanyahu, and Trump than I (a school bus driver) can handle alone.

    It's been real and thanks for the exchange!

    where author J. St. Clair finds Putin less than a “class act” on the personal side of the scale.

    Chuck,

    I’m not sure I’d put too much faith in what he has to say. Counterpunch keeps asking for contributions but they’ll get none from me while he’s on board.

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    Jacques,

    I understand one's harboring of ill feelings toward Counterpunch and J. St. Clair. It's understandable how you are "turned off" by Counterpunch annual contribution drives, but I had hoped you would have read the article that I "linked."

    Oh well, what I wanted to drive home to you was the fact that St. Clair's article was posted, April 2001. Five months later, the 9-11 attacks occurred and the Bush administration announced that the world was "changed forever" and Vladimir Putin reported that he had "premonitions" about the event.

    Figuring you may try to make connection with my line of reasoning, I trust you will look at the article "linked" below and a 9-11 story line which is near forgotten.

    http://www.edition.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/09/10/ar911.russia.putin/index.html

    As you might be aware, Jacques, V. Putin quickly assured President W. Bush of Russia's total support as the U.S. military launched attacks upon al-Qaeda's sanctuary, Afghanistan, and "kill" the man who ordered the downing of the two W.T.C. towers, O.B.L. (In November, 2001, President W. Bush and Putin took Superpower-counsel in a summit meeting)

    Finally, I know that you recall how the Corporate Media & the D.N.C. were assigning blame to Putin for influencing Donald Trump's presidential election. Oddly enough, and it was only a little over a month ago this year, reports flowed out of the Kremlin that suggested President Putin has very compromising satellite photos of the 9-11 attack which would damage P. Zelikow's "911 Commission Report."

    Jacques -- if a person like me and thousands of other (scepitcal) nationalist Americans are not "on board" whatsoever with the U.S. government's (non) investigation & ridiculous explanation on how 9-11 happened, I can not in any way accept that Vladimir Putin has bitten into the "Whopper" that 19-fanatical Arabs, with box cutters, took down the Twin Towers.

    In fact, I am convinced that P. Zelikow's "Report" continues to inspire secret laughter in the halls of D.C., Tel Aviv, and yes -- Moscow.

    (Note: On You Tube, I believe there is a video available which provides the Russian government statement about their having compromising satellite imagery on 9-11)

    Thanks and good night!
  81. @iffen
    Esoteric trivia escapes the peons.

    You are right. But it was nothing esoteric to it. It was made in plain view. If esoterica being by definition ‘secret’ escape the peons, failure to see what’s obvious is sign of obtusity, if not obduracy. “For I will not go up with thee, because thou art a stiff-necked people, lest I consume thee by the way. 4 And the people having heard this grievous saying, mourned in mourning apparel. 5 For the Lord said to the children of Israel, Ye are a stiff-necked people; take heed lest I bring on you another plague, and destroy you…”

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  82. @jacques sheete

    where author J. St. Clair finds Putin less than a “class act” on the personal side of the scale.
     
    Chuck,

    I'm not sure I'd put too much faith in what he has to say. Counterpunch keeps asking for contributions but they'll get none from me while he's on board.

    Jacques,

    I understand one’s harboring of ill feelings toward Counterpunch and J. St. Clair. It’s understandable how you are “turned off” by Counterpunch annual contribution drives, but I had hoped you would have read the article that I “linked.”

    Oh well, what I wanted to drive home to you was the fact that St. Clair’s article was posted, April 2001. Five months later, the 9-11 attacks occurred and the Bush administration announced that the world was “changed forever” and Vladimir Putin reported that he had “premonitions” about the event.

    Figuring you may try to make connection with my line of reasoning, I trust you will look at the article “linked” below and a 9-11 story line which is near forgotten.

    http://www.edition.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/09/10/ar911.russia.putin/index.html

    As you might be aware, Jacques, V. Putin quickly assured President W. Bush of Russia’s total support as the U.S. military launched attacks upon al-Qaeda’s sanctuary, Afghanistan, and “kill” the man who ordered the downing of the two W.T.C. towers, O.B.L. (In November, 2001, President W. Bush and Putin took Superpower-counsel in a summit meeting)

    Finally, I know that you recall how the Corporate Media & the D.N.C. were assigning blame to Putin for influencing Donald Trump’s presidential election. Oddly enough, and it was only a little over a month ago this year, reports flowed out of the Kremlin that suggested President Putin has very compromising satellite photos of the 9-11 attack which would damage P. Zelikow’s “911 Commission Report.”

    Jacques — if a person like me and thousands of other (scepitcal) nationalist Americans are not “on board” whatsoever with the U.S. government’s (non) investigation & ridiculous explanation on how 9-11 happened, I can not in any way accept that Vladimir Putin has bitten into the “Whopper” that 19-fanatical Arabs, with box cutters, took down the Twin Towers.

    In fact, I am convinced that P. Zelikow’s “Report” continues to inspire secret laughter in the halls of D.C., Tel Aviv, and yes — Moscow.

    (Note: On You Tube, I believe there is a video available which provides the Russian government statement about their having compromising satellite imagery on 9-11)

    Thanks and good night!

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    Hey Chuck,

    19-fanatical Arabs, with box cutters, took down the Twin Towers
     
    Awesome image of a bunch of guys sawing at the corners of the high-rises with box cutters.

    "Hey Gamal! Where are these blades made from - Algeria? They always go cheap on the suicide missions!"

    Peace.
    , @annamaria
    On the Syrian tragedy, by the courageous Eva Bartlett:
    "...the civilians in Syria have been suffering for years since this Western-instigated so-called revolution started in 2011. And Western media that reports on civilian deaths . . . civilian deaths do occur when the army is fighting terrorists. It’s a war. But what the media ignores is the context. It ignores who funded these terrorists. It ignores the fact that Turkey and Israel have been attacking Syria and that this whole situation wouldn’t have occurred if the West, primarily Washington and its allies, hadn’t manufactured this notion of a revolution, hadn’t sent arms to the so-called rebels, hadn’t distorted the reality on the ground, hadn’t funded the so-called opposition."
    "Indeed, the West’s involvement in Syria by its very nature puts the blood of every individual killed in that conflict squarely on the hands of the Western nations that engineered the crisis to begin with. Without the West, there would have been no “revolution,” no moderate cannibals, and no armed conflict whatsoever." http://www.globalresearch.ca/corporate-media-exposed-for-reporting-syria-misinformation-canadian-journalist-eva-bartlett/5580001
    The rage of the mega-war profiteers and malicious Israel-first mythologists over the bad, bad, bad Russians has no limits. The situation is complicated for them by the availability of inflammatory information that undermines the very foundations of the highly profitable (for the MIC & financiers) "War on Terror." When the US Congress squeals in a supposedly patriotic fever, "support the troops!!!!" while, at the same time, the CIA (with the blessing of the Congress) arms and provides logistics to Al Qaeda (the main enemy of the War on Terror), the profiteering scoundrels of the MIC, Congress, CIA, and State Dept. are exposed naked. Not a fig leaf to cover the ugly moral decay. This is a result of a"business model" that excludes, totally, any moral scruples. The scoundrels' last resort is to appeal to the stupidity, ignorance, and opportunism of the presstituting MSM in a hope that the US populace at large will be equally stupid and ignorant.
    "... the truth of the matter is that the corporate outlets are agents of disinformation and propaganda as more and more Americans are beginning to learn by the day." Correct.
  83. […] note– a very special thanks to writer Israel Shamir for making this fact known. In all the dozen or so stories we read concerning the recent meeting […]

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  85. @Chuck Orloski
    Jacques,

    I understand one's harboring of ill feelings toward Counterpunch and J. St. Clair. It's understandable how you are "turned off" by Counterpunch annual contribution drives, but I had hoped you would have read the article that I "linked."

    Oh well, what I wanted to drive home to you was the fact that St. Clair's article was posted, April 2001. Five months later, the 9-11 attacks occurred and the Bush administration announced that the world was "changed forever" and Vladimir Putin reported that he had "premonitions" about the event.

    Figuring you may try to make connection with my line of reasoning, I trust you will look at the article "linked" below and a 9-11 story line which is near forgotten.

    http://www.edition.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/09/10/ar911.russia.putin/index.html

    As you might be aware, Jacques, V. Putin quickly assured President W. Bush of Russia's total support as the U.S. military launched attacks upon al-Qaeda's sanctuary, Afghanistan, and "kill" the man who ordered the downing of the two W.T.C. towers, O.B.L. (In November, 2001, President W. Bush and Putin took Superpower-counsel in a summit meeting)

    Finally, I know that you recall how the Corporate Media & the D.N.C. were assigning blame to Putin for influencing Donald Trump's presidential election. Oddly enough, and it was only a little over a month ago this year, reports flowed out of the Kremlin that suggested President Putin has very compromising satellite photos of the 9-11 attack which would damage P. Zelikow's "911 Commission Report."

    Jacques -- if a person like me and thousands of other (scepitcal) nationalist Americans are not "on board" whatsoever with the U.S. government's (non) investigation & ridiculous explanation on how 9-11 happened, I can not in any way accept that Vladimir Putin has bitten into the "Whopper" that 19-fanatical Arabs, with box cutters, took down the Twin Towers.

    In fact, I am convinced that P. Zelikow's "Report" continues to inspire secret laughter in the halls of D.C., Tel Aviv, and yes -- Moscow.

    (Note: On You Tube, I believe there is a video available which provides the Russian government statement about their having compromising satellite imagery on 9-11)

    Thanks and good night!

    Hey Chuck,

    19-fanatical Arabs, with box cutters, took down the Twin Towers

    Awesome image of a bunch of guys sawing at the corners of the high-rises with box cutters.

    “Hey Gamal! Where are these blades made from – Algeria? They always go cheap on the suicide missions!”

    Peace.

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    Hey Talha,

    Oh my -- what an awesome image! Too bad it did not make it into P. Zelikow's 9-11 report.

    Below is the presently unclassified remainder of the fanatical A-rab's conversation while doing W.T.C. demolition:

    "Yo Adnan! (gasp) The label on my box cutter says, "Made in Brussels!"

    " (Sigh) No wonder the E.U. economy is tanking, Hosni?"

    "Don't fret, Addie! I have a reciprocating saw and extra blades in my terror-tool box that is guaranteed to chop right through metal."

    "Oh cool... where was it made?"

    "Uh, let's see... the label says "Milwaukee Sawzall."

    "It sure looks heavy, Hosni! What made you bring it along?"

    "Well our Project Manager, K.S.M., told me to bring a Sawzall and power generator just in case!"

    (Mighty explosions) Boom! Boom! Sizzle.

    "Oh shit, hear that noise? I better get to work fast before someone else takes the tower down and they get the virgins instead of us, Adnan!"

    "Well, and as you know -- I am the 'jacked' part of the Muscle (Special Forces" team assigned to this project. Let me know when the Sawzall gets too heavy, Hosni!"

    (Sawzall buzzz... & more intense explosions)

    "Oh fuck. This terror job is way out-of-scope and is beyond even my Al-Qaeda overtime my pay!"

    Allied CIA/Mossad note: The Arab terrorist conversation came to an abrupt halt. But days later, an F.B.I. forensic crew found Adnan's Saudi passport nearby a mass of molten steel. However, only minutes after the Twin Towers collapsed, a high level Israeli government official credited Adnon and Hosni with having taken a tower down. W.T.C. Tower owner, Larry Silverstein was quoted later as saying, "Oh man, those killer Arabs musta' really liked their work!"
  86. @SolontoCroesus

    Even bible confirm that.
     
    Citation, please?

    OMG please get yourself a bible and read the book of Esther.
    All events written in book of Esther did happen in Jerusalem.
    There is misconception in the mind of people about this chapter.
    What people do not know is this: Persian king and king of Persia is not the same term.
    King of Persia is the true king of Persia living in Teheran. Persian king means Persian ruler, and there were many of them, subjects to king of Persia. They did rule territories conquered by Persian army
    (Once I was talking to educated Iranian and presented to him the events in book of Ester presuming that it happened in the court of king of Persia.
    He was looking at me like I would happen to fall from the moon.)

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    All events written in book of Esther did happen in Jerusalem.
     
    That's a first, Ilyana.

    If "all events in Esther happened in Jerusalem," how did she come to be buried in Hamadan in Ecbatana, Iran (about 230 miles from Tehran) ?
    To this day, numerous US or UK-based Iranian tour agencies promote "tours to the tomb of Esther."
    Are they promoting a fraud?
    Is Esther NOT buried there?
    Is this monument to a Jew in a foreign land another hoax?
    Have Jerusalem's borders been expanded to encompass Hamadan, over a thousand miles (1654 km) away?

    from The Book of Esther, ch 1, vs 2: " At that time King Xerxes reigned from his royal throne in the citadel of Susa, . . ."


    Susa, a World Heritage Site, located in the south-west of Iran, in the lower Zagros Mountains . . .
    http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/1455
    Capital of Elam, one of the oldest cities of the world . . .

    ch 2 vs 3: "3 Let the king appoint commissioners in every province of his realm to bring all these beautiful young women into the harem at the citadel of Susa."

    ch 2 vs 5: "Now there was in the citadel of Susa a Jew of the tribe of Benjamin, named Mordecai son of Jair, the son of Shimei, the son of Kish, 6 who had been carried into exile from Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar king"

    in other words, and a crucial point of the tale, is that Mordechai -- and Esther -- had the opportunity to return to their beloved Zion but chose to remain in the fabulous Persian capital, as did about 80% of the Jews who had been liberated from Nebuchadnezzar's captivity by Cyrus.


    ch 2 vs 8: 8 When the king’s order and edict had been proclaimed, many young women were brought to the citadel of Susa and put under the care of Hegai. Esther also was taken to the king’s palace [at Susa] and entrusted to Hegai, who had charge of the harem.
  87. @Talha
    Hey Chuck,

    19-fanatical Arabs, with box cutters, took down the Twin Towers
     
    Awesome image of a bunch of guys sawing at the corners of the high-rises with box cutters.

    "Hey Gamal! Where are these blades made from - Algeria? They always go cheap on the suicide missions!"

    Peace.

    Hey Talha,

    Oh my — what an awesome image! Too bad it did not make it into P. Zelikow’s 9-11 report.

    Below is the presently unclassified remainder of the fanatical A-rab’s conversation while doing W.T.C. demolition:

    “Yo Adnan! (gasp) The label on my box cutter says, “Made in Brussels!”

    ” (Sigh) No wonder the E.U. economy is tanking, Hosni?”

    “Don’t fret, Addie! I have a reciprocating saw and extra blades in my terror-tool box that is guaranteed to chop right through metal.”

    “Oh cool… where was it made?”

    “Uh, let’s see… the label says “Milwaukee Sawzall.”

    “It sure looks heavy, Hosni! What made you bring it along?”

    “Well our Project Manager, K.S.M., told me to bring a Sawzall and power generator just in case!”

    (Mighty explosions) Boom! Boom! Sizzle.

    “Oh shit, hear that noise? I better get to work fast before someone else takes the tower down and they get the virgins instead of us, Adnan!”

    “Well, and as you know — I am the ‘jacked’ part of the Muscle (Special Forces” team assigned to this project. Let me know when the Sawzall gets too heavy, Hosni!”

    (Sawzall buzzz… & more intense explosions)

    “Oh fuck. This terror job is way out-of-scope and is beyond even my Al-Qaeda overtime my pay!”

    Allied CIA/Mossad note: The Arab terrorist conversation came to an abrupt halt. But days later, an F.B.I. forensic crew found Adnan’s Saudi passport nearby a mass of molten steel. However, only minutes after the Twin Towers collapsed, a high level Israeli government official credited Adnon and Hosni with having taken a tower down. W.T.C. Tower owner, Larry Silverstein was quoted later as saying, “Oh man, those killer Arabs musta’ really liked their work!”

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    LOL!!! I just read it again!

    Al-Qaeda overtime my pay!
     
    On a suicide mission!! LOL!!!

    The reason they can go cheap on those things is they know nobody's going to be around to file a complaint to AQ HR.

    Peace.
  88. […] This article was first published at The Unz Review. […]

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  89. @Art
    Hi Sherm,

    Mazeltov on your monetary good fortune – I am glad for you and yours.

    You should double down and go in the morning to the Golan and smell some fresh Arab blood.

    Happy – Happy!

    Could it get any better? Money and dead enemies.

    Peace --- Art

    We can cut your pork and beans ration.

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    {and Bibi, as on the cue, immediately revealed the reason for his visit. Persians wanted to kill Jews on that day, but God prevented that, he said. Nowadays Iranians, who are the Persians, want to kill the Jews, but the Jewish state is strong etc. Bibi came to ask Putin to drop Iran; to remove Iranian fighters from Syria; block Iranian transit to Lebanon; or even to join an anti-Iranian coalition, and this reference to Purim had been an argument in defence of his audacious request.}

    Why the author does not critic this fake story and spread it around?

    Iranian foreign minister calls Netanyahu’s Purim story fake history.

    Zarif wrote: “Once again, Benjamin Netanyahu not only distorts the realities of today, but also distorts the past — including Jewish scripture. It is truly regrettable that bigotry gets to the point of making allegations against an entire nation which has saved the Jews three times in its history.The Book of Esther tells of how Xerxes I saved Jews from a plot hatched by Haman the Agagite, which is marked on this very day; again, during the time of Cyrus the Great, an Iranian king saved the Jews—this time from captivity in Babylon; and during the second world war II..”

    In fact Iranian people are the victims of Zionist crimes against them. The Zionist tribe has used every empire; Britain – French- American – to keep their influence on their victims, economically and politically where is obvious TODAY.

    The Zionists have no connection to the land of Palestine and have never been there, but they have written a fake history to justify their crimes against humanity. No one will be fooled by these lies. They are colonists.

    The Iranian people have suffered a the hand of CIA –MI6 – Mossad under the Shah, the western puppet, since Mossad and CIA were creating and advising the notorious SAVAK, a terror organization, against Iranian people.

    Today, The Zionist tribe is at the top of all sanction against Iranian people and have controlled over its implementation policy to kill Iranians and limit Iran progress. This is hated by the world.

    The criminal Zionists accuse other groups that they helped Hitler, but as other Jews have written, many Jews in business helped him as Hitler’s spy against other countries, like today that they do the same against Iran for the American empire because they profit a lot.
    One case has been revealed by Andre Gregory, the film director. In a documentary film about himself he revealed that his father was given a mission by Hitler, as spy, to ruin French economy, by bringing down the value of Franc, today the zionists implementing the same policy against Iranian economy, to bring French to the negotiating table from a weaken position. Andre Gregory is one of the character in “my dinner with Andre”.

    It is interesting that, in a discussion at the PBS, revealed that the YOUNG Gared kushner, son in law of the illiterate president, has more influence on the Middle East policy than the ‘secretary of state’, which is laughable.

    The criminal zionist tribe has always used FAKE history to paint itself as ‘victim’ to control the world.
    The FAKE purim story must be exposed all over the world.

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  91. @Ilyana_Rozumova
    OMG please get yourself a bible and read the book of Esther.
    All events written in book of Esther did happen in Jerusalem.
    There is misconception in the mind of people about this chapter.
    What people do not know is this: Persian king and king of Persia is not the same term.
    King of Persia is the true king of Persia living in Teheran. Persian king means Persian ruler, and there were many of them, subjects to king of Persia. They did rule territories conquered by Persian army
    (Once I was talking to educated Iranian and presented to him the events in book of Ester presuming that it happened in the court of king of Persia.
    He was looking at me like I would happen to fall from the moon.)

    All events written in book of Esther did happen in Jerusalem.

    That’s a first, Ilyana.

    If “all events in Esther happened in Jerusalem,” how did she come to be buried in Hamadan in Ecbatana, Iran (about 230 miles from Tehran) ?
    To this day, numerous US or UK-based Iranian tour agencies promote “tours to the tomb of Esther.”
    Are they promoting a fraud?
    Is Esther NOT buried there?
    Is this monument to a Jew in a foreign land another hoax?
    Have Jerusalem’s borders been expanded to encompass Hamadan, over a thousand miles (1654 km) away?

    from The Book of Esther, ch 1, vs 2: ” At that time King Xerxes reigned from his royal throne in the citadel of Susa, . . .”

    Susa, a World Heritage Site, located in the south-west of Iran, in the lower Zagros Mountains . . .

    http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/1455

    Capital of Elam, one of the oldest cities of the world . . .

    ch 2 vs 3: “3 Let the king appoint commissioners in every province of his realm to bring all these beautiful young women into the harem at the citadel of Susa.”

    ch 2 vs 5: “Now there was in the citadel of Susa a Jew of the tribe of Benjamin, named Mordecai son of Jair, the son of Shimei, the son of Kish, 6 who had been carried into exile from Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar king”

    in other words, and a crucial point of the tale, is that Mordechai — and Esther — had the opportunity to return to their beloved Zion but chose to remain in the fabulous Persian capital, as did about 80% of the Jews who had been liberated from Nebuchadnezzar’s captivity by Cyrus.

    ch 2 vs 8: 8 When the king’s order and edict had been proclaimed, many young women were brought to the citadel of Susa and put under the care of Hegai. Esther also was taken to the king’s palace [at Susa] and entrusted to Hegai, who had charge of the harem.

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    Where is mount Zion located?
    , @Ilyana_Rozumova
    I have re-red the book of Esther The king's name was king Ahasherus and he resided in Shushan and he did reign more than 8 years. Not clear if it was name of palace name of settlement or the city.

    Esther asked the king to hang Haman, and so he did. Than king did give a Mordecai ring.
    Than Mordecai with guards did kill 500 people who hated Jews. The rest of the book is gibberish. (But even this extracted information sounds gibberish to me.)
    In every case the actions of this so called king and his court do not reflect the magnitude of the king of Persia who conquered the Babylon and his court.
    And according the indications in the book this king was perpetually drunk.

    Concerning the graves I need to point out to you that it really does not take a day for stonemason to take some stones and carve out some names on it. (It attract tourists you know!)

    Concerning my claim that Haman was Palestinian I did not find reference to it in this bible. But I have several Bibles and I still believe that I did read it in one of them.
    If not I will apologize.
  92. @jacques sheete

    In fact, Jews are quite happy.
     
    They why do so many, so often, whine and play the victim card so consistently? Aren't they continuously under siege and existentially threatened or something? Are you really a spokesperson for all who label themselves Jews? How'd that happen?

    Just yesterday Intel agreed to purchase Israeli company Mobileye for $15B.

    I’m sure this made Israelis happy and it made me happy as I own Mobileye stock and it skyrocketed yesterday.
     

    That's what makes ya happy? Sounds pretty simple minded to me. Crass and vulgar even. Are you accusing them of being a modern day equivalent of cargo cultists, or what? If so, are you an anti-Semite or mere a self-loather, or what?

    Or are you trying to incite another attempt to drive them outta the temple again? What is it?

    The only ones I see whining on these pages are people like you, incessantly so, about how Jews are the devil incarnate. Don’t you think the bleating needs to stop?

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    Perhaps if the ADL did not serve as an inspiration for incessantly whining and bleating things would improve..
  93. @jacques sheete

    In fact, Jews are quite happy.

     

    Hmmm. Somebody's making stuff up. What gives?

    Granted that the prevalence of all three disorders is low, how can anyone be happy when this state of affairs applies?

    Israeli and American scientists have discovered a gene among Ashkenazi Jews that increases their chances of developing the mental disorder schizophrenia, as well schizoaffective disorder and manic depression. According to a study recently published in Nature Communications, the gene in question raises Ashkenazi Jews’ chances of experiencing the disorders by roughly 40%, and by 15% in the general population.

    The study was conducted by Professor Ariel Darvasi, assistant dean of the Faculty of Life Sciences at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, in coordination with Dr. Todd Lencz from The Feinstein Institute for Medical Research in New York.


    http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.560128
     
    Yeah, I know the source isn’t the best and it could be a forgery, and the info is dated, but is this anything to be happy about?

    An analysis of surveys in Los Angeles and New Haven, Conn., found that within a one-year period, 13% of Jewish men suffered from major depression, compared with 5.4% of non-Jewish men.

    http://articles.latimes.com/1995-05-23/news/mn-5096_1_jewish-men
     
    If I had as much coin as Sherm, I'd see to it that something's done about either the situation or the lies about it. I wouldn't be happy while my fellows are suffering. If they are, of course. But then how can they be happy when they're constantly being threatened with extermination?

    Martyrs maybe?

    [Hmmm. Somebody’s making stuff up. What gives?]

    What gives is your blatant desire to see Israelis [Jews?] suffer. Won’t happen. You are the one attempting to use genetic afflictions as a salve for your own unhappy state of mind. Really??!!

    Read this: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-04-23/these-are-the-happiest-countries-in-the-world

    Also, you’d better believe that Israel is going to be at the forefront of genetic research from which all Humanity will benefit.

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    "Also, you'd better believe that Israel is going to be at the forefront of genetic research from which all Humanity will benefit."

    Dear Sam the Sham,

    I believe, I believe, I believe you, and only you!

    Oh I can hardly wait until I might get the Jewish scientist's research "bennies!"

    As you're aware, for a spell, N.J.-based rabbis tried their best to help a slim percentage of "Humanity" benefit by providing illegal human organ transplants... that is of course for those humans who could pay C.O.D.

    Do you think Israeli "cloning" of commoners (from pig embryos) will be covered under the G.O.P.'s new & improved Obamacare? (humph) I hope I don't end up on the back exhaust- end of the Jewish genetic research, Sam the Sham.

    Selah.
    , @Art

    [Hmmm. Somebody’s making stuff up. What gives?]

    What gives is your blatant desire to see Israelis [Jews?] suffer.

     

    Your people of Sodom and Gomora where the most happy people on the planet – then what happened?

    (So your book says.) (Where they squatters too?)
  94. @annamaria
    The good article that you provided a link to, has this comment: "Tomb of Esther and Mordachai, the two Jewish heroes of Purim story are in Iran, lasted all these thousands of years, overseen by Iranian jews to this date. Until Netanyahu came around, the jewish history celebrated this particular story, as how kind Iran from ancient times been to Jews. It is only under this mass murderer Netanyahu, that the story is being changed. He is rewriting Jewish history for his demonic plans."
    The article proper states the following (which should send Bibi "boiling in ....")
    "According to Jewish accounts, Persian King Xerxes I discovered his viceroy Haman the Agagite’s conspiracy to slaughter Jews some 2,500 years ago and had him executed. ...Netanyahu has been selective in his recount of history, ignoring the Hebrew Bible which has repeatedly praised Persian King Cyrus the Great as the patron and deliverer of the Jews who put an end to their Babylonian captivity." http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2017/03/15/514424/Iran-Jewish-Netanyahu
    If anything, the bloody anti-Persian celebration of Purim and the deadly demonization of Iranians by ziocons (the international Lobby) make a spectacular case of ingratitude.
    The demonized Germans understand this. The demonized Russians understand this.

    “According to Jewish accounts, Persian King Xerxes I discovered his viceroy Haman the Agagite’s conspiracy to slaughter Jews some 2,500 years ago and had him executed.

    Not 100% accurate to the story as told in the very book.
    First, Mordechai concealed his Jewish ethnicity and told Esther to do the same. It’s unfathomable why this act of deception: the Iranian empire encompassed and empowered numerous ethnicities — then and now. There was no need for the deception; maybe it was a “hard habit to break?”

    Furthermore, Mordechai employed himself as a spy;
    Mordechai and Mordechai alone refused to pay the respect to Haman that all others in the Iranian empire paid — I wonder if he wore a pink hat that looked like horns?
    When Haman reported that a person close to the Persian king’s citadel at Susa refused to pay the required respect, Mordechai grew testy.
    It’s noteworthy that there is no outside evidence of an order by Haman to “kill all the Jews;” only Mordechai’s assertion. Sound familiar?

    As the story progresses and Haman comes to be perceived as one who is in a position of influence and will not take guff from Yehud, the appellation “Agagite” is applied to him and his forebears; apparently this use of the term is the only use that linguists can trace –

    International Standard Bible Encyclopedia -
    AGAGITE

    a’-gag-it, (‘aghaghi, from, ‘aghagh, “a member of the house of Agag”):

    A title of opprobrium given to Haman (Esther 3:1,10; 8:3,5; 9:24). Jewish tradition always assigned the arch-enemies of Israel membership in the house of Amalek, the hereditary foe of the nation. Compare Ant, XI, vi, 5. The word Agag has properly been taken by Delitzsch as related to the Assyrian agagu, “to be powerful,” “vehement,” “angry.” In the Greek parts of Esther, Haman is termed a Macedonian (Esther 1:2-6; 1:6-10). The name Haman is probably of Elamitic origin. Oppert’s attempt to connect the term “Agagite” with “Agaz,” a Median tribe mentioned by Sargon, has found no supporters.

    Something like a first run at the all-purpose “antisemite” slur.

    Speaking of all-purpose slurs and Jewish chariness at being called to account in ways that begin to impair their freedom of Mordechai-like (i.e. deceptive & vengeful) movement, Rabbi Mendy Cohen pulled a Mordechai and demanded that Amazon delete from its inventory books that “deny the Holocaust” or promote “Nazi propaganda.”

    Among the books banned by Jeff Bezos’s Amazon online store are books by Germar Rudolf, including his carefully argued “Lectures on the Holocaust.” That work is, however, available online — http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1&page_id=15

    I encourage all who believe that the RIGHT to free speech requires the RESPONSIBILITY to protect that right and resist attempts to constrain it, to take some action.

    One effective, nonviolent and informative act of protection of the Right to Free Speech might be to organize Readings of Banned Books: the French Revolution gathered its energy from numerous salons where the issues of the day were robustly debated.

    Go Forth and READ!
    MAGA!

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    PS Many of the books that Amazon has removed from its inventory, at the demand of Yad Vashem holocaust museum as well as zionist and rabbinic organizations in Israel, UK and US, are actually offered for sale NOT by Amazon as such but by small stores that merely use the Amazon platform.

    Many of those small stores are quasi-charitable organizations such as Goodwill, who, I speculate, employ the otherwise unemployable to collect and distribute books.

    That reality presents one more form of resistance to the constraints that some Jewish organizations seek to impose on the freedom of speech of Americans, beyond merely ceasing to patronize Amazon:

    --> we can make our banned book purchase through one of the many other online book selling platforms;

    --> encourage those small booksellers who use the Amazon platform to switch to other platforms. A friend who sells books online tells me that Amazon is expensive and cumbersome, and he enjoys equal success in selling through other platforms, such as A Libris.

    --> Above all, and beyond the tactical measures to resist constraints on free speech, we have GOT to develop the courage to say NO!
    Enough is Enough!

    America First means that the principles that undergird our establishment as a sovereign nations shall not be abridged by a minority group.
    There is NO Constitutional principle that requires any American to submit to Jewish preferences; to be called an antisemite must be reduced to meaninglessness; rather, to be called anti-American should be the ONLY label from which a patriot should flee.

    Our government owes us protection and defense against such abridgments of our Constitutional rights.
    That is the bargain that we make: we, the people, cede to the government the force of arms and other forms of punishment to protect our rights in return for their promise and responsibility to do so, with courage and principle, and to quash constraints on our pursuit of happiness.

    If U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions, the U.S. Department of Justice, the courts and the U.S. legislature fail or refuse to protect those rights, the people will and must rise up and defend them themselves.

    , @Chuck Orloski
    "I encourage all who believe that the RIGHT to free speech requires the RESPONSIBILITY to protect that right and RESIST attempts to constrain it, to take some action."

    Amen, SolontoCroesus. "Go Forth and Read!"

    Thanks and I will offer a "Smokey the Bear" style-slogan for today, below?

    Only YOU can prevent rabbinical calls for Amazon.com to stop selling (> 451 degrees) flammable books!
  95. @Sam Shama
    [Hmmm. Somebody’s making stuff up. What gives?]

    What gives is your blatant desire to see Israelis [Jews?] suffer. Won't happen. You are the one attempting to use genetic afflictions as a salve for your own unhappy state of mind. Really??!!

    Read this: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-04-23/these-are-the-happiest-countries-in-the-world

    Also, you'd better believe that Israel is going to be at the forefront of genetic research from which all Humanity will benefit.

    “Also, you’d better believe that Israel is going to be at the forefront of genetic research from which all Humanity will benefit.”

    Dear Sam the Sham,

    I believe, I believe, I believe you, and only you!

    Oh I can hardly wait until I might get the Jewish scientist’s research “bennies!”

    As you’re aware, for a spell, N.J.-based rabbis tried their best to help a slim percentage of “Humanity” benefit by providing illegal human organ transplants… that is of course for those humans who could pay C.O.D.

    Do you think Israeli “cloning” of commoners (from pig embryos) will be covered under the G.O.P.’s new & improved Obamacare? (humph) I hope I don’t end up on the back exhaust- end of the Jewish genetic research, Sam the Sham.

    Selah.

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    Not only will you be covered under the new and improved plan for genetic enhancements, you'll also be enrolled in the annual Pork and Beans programme with 'Art'.

    Oh my - and Selah
  96. @SolontoCroesus

    “According to Jewish accounts, Persian King Xerxes I discovered his viceroy Haman the Agagite’s conspiracy to slaughter Jews some 2,500 years ago and had him executed.
     
    Not 100% accurate to the story as told in the very book.
    First, Mordechai concealed his Jewish ethnicity and told Esther to do the same. It's unfathomable why this act of deception: the Iranian empire encompassed and empowered numerous ethnicities -- then and now. There was no need for the deception; maybe it was a "hard habit to break?"

    Furthermore, Mordechai employed himself as a spy;
    Mordechai and Mordechai alone refused to pay the respect to Haman that all others in the Iranian empire paid -- I wonder if he wore a pink hat that looked like horns?
    When Haman reported that a person close to the Persian king's citadel at Susa refused to pay the required respect, Mordechai grew testy.
    It's noteworthy that there is no outside evidence of an order by Haman to "kill all the Jews;" only Mordechai's assertion. Sound familiar?

    As the story progresses and Haman comes to be perceived as one who is in a position of influence and will not take guff from Yehud, the appellation "Agagite" is applied to him and his forebears; apparently this use of the term is the only use that linguists can trace --


    International Standard Bible Encyclopedia -
    AGAGITE

    a'-gag-it, ('aghaghi, from, 'aghagh, "a member of the house of Agag"):

    A title of opprobrium given to Haman (Esther 3:1,10; 8:3,5; 9:24). Jewish tradition always assigned the arch-enemies of Israel membership in the house of Amalek, the hereditary foe of the nation. Compare Ant, XI, vi, 5. The word Agag has properly been taken by Delitzsch as related to the Assyrian agagu, "to be powerful," "vehement," "angry." In the Greek parts of Esther, Haman is termed a Macedonian (Esther 1:2-6; 1:6-10). The name Haman is probably of Elamitic origin. Oppert's attempt to connect the term "Agagite" with "Agaz," a Median tribe mentioned by Sargon, has found no supporters.
     

    Something like a first run at the all-purpose "antisemite" slur.

    Speaking of all-purpose slurs and Jewish chariness at being called to account in ways that begin to impair their freedom of Mordechai-like (i.e. deceptive & vengeful) movement, Rabbi Mendy Cohen pulled a Mordechai and demanded that Amazon delete from its inventory books that "deny the Holocaust" or promote "Nazi propaganda."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0J3yNY4jEM

    Among the books banned by Jeff Bezos's Amazon online store are books by Germar Rudolf, including his carefully argued "Lectures on the Holocaust." That work is, however, available online -- http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1&page_id=15

    I encourage all who believe that the RIGHT to free speech requires the RESPONSIBILITY to protect that right and resist attempts to constrain it, to take some action.

    One effective, nonviolent and informative act of protection of the Right to Free Speech might be to organize Readings of Banned Books: the French Revolution gathered its energy from numerous salons where the issues of the day were robustly debated.

    Go Forth and READ!
    MAGA!

    PS Many of the books that Amazon has removed from its inventory, at the demand of Yad Vashem holocaust museum as well as zionist and rabbinic organizations in Israel, UK and US, are actually offered for sale NOT by Amazon as such but by small stores that merely use the Amazon platform.

    Many of those small stores are quasi-charitable organizations such as Goodwill, who, I speculate, employ the otherwise unemployable to collect and distribute books.

    That reality presents one more form of resistance to the constraints that some Jewish organizations seek to impose on the freedom of speech of Americans, beyond merely ceasing to patronize Amazon:

    –> we can make our banned book purchase through one of the many other online book selling platforms;

    –> encourage those small booksellers who use the Amazon platform to switch to other platforms. A friend who sells books online tells me that Amazon is expensive and cumbersome, and he enjoys equal success in selling through other platforms, such as A Libris.

    –> Above all, and beyond the tactical measures to resist constraints on free speech, we have GOT to develop the courage to say NO!
    Enough is Enough!

    America First means that the principles that undergird our establishment as a sovereign nations shall not be abridged by a minority group.
    There is NO Constitutional principle that requires any American to submit to Jewish preferences; to be called an antisemite must be reduced to meaninglessness; rather, to be called anti-American should be the ONLY label from which a patriot should flee.

    Our government owes us protection and defense against such abridgments of our Constitutional rights.
    That is the bargain that we make: we, the people, cede to the government the force of arms and other forms of punishment to protect our rights in return for their promise and responsibility to do so, with courage and principle, and to quash constraints on our pursuit of happiness.

    If U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions, the U.S. Department of Justice, the courts and the U.S. legislature fail or refuse to protect those rights, the people will and must rise up and defend them themselves.

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  97. @Sam Shama
    [Hmmm. Somebody’s making stuff up. What gives?]

    What gives is your blatant desire to see Israelis [Jews?] suffer. Won't happen. You are the one attempting to use genetic afflictions as a salve for your own unhappy state of mind. Really??!!

    Read this: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-04-23/these-are-the-happiest-countries-in-the-world

    Also, you'd better believe that Israel is going to be at the forefront of genetic research from which all Humanity will benefit.

    [Hmmm. Somebody’s making stuff up. What gives?]

    What gives is your blatant desire to see Israelis [Jews?] suffer.

    Your people of Sodom and Gomora where the most happy people on the planet – then what happened?

    (So your book says.) (Where they squatters too?)

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  98. @SolontoCroesus

    All events written in book of Esther did happen in Jerusalem.
     
    That's a first, Ilyana.

    If "all events in Esther happened in Jerusalem," how did she come to be buried in Hamadan in Ecbatana, Iran (about 230 miles from Tehran) ?
    To this day, numerous US or UK-based Iranian tour agencies promote "tours to the tomb of Esther."
    Are they promoting a fraud?
    Is Esther NOT buried there?
    Is this monument to a Jew in a foreign land another hoax?
    Have Jerusalem's borders been expanded to encompass Hamadan, over a thousand miles (1654 km) away?

    from The Book of Esther, ch 1, vs 2: " At that time King Xerxes reigned from his royal throne in the citadel of Susa, . . ."


    Susa, a World Heritage Site, located in the south-west of Iran, in the lower Zagros Mountains . . .
    http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/1455
    Capital of Elam, one of the oldest cities of the world . . .

    ch 2 vs 3: "3 Let the king appoint commissioners in every province of his realm to bring all these beautiful young women into the harem at the citadel of Susa."

    ch 2 vs 5: "Now there was in the citadel of Susa a Jew of the tribe of Benjamin, named Mordecai son of Jair, the son of Shimei, the son of Kish, 6 who had been carried into exile from Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar king"

    in other words, and a crucial point of the tale, is that Mordechai -- and Esther -- had the opportunity to return to their beloved Zion but chose to remain in the fabulous Persian capital, as did about 80% of the Jews who had been liberated from Nebuchadnezzar's captivity by Cyrus.


    ch 2 vs 8: 8 When the king’s order and edict had been proclaimed, many young women were brought to the citadel of Susa and put under the care of Hegai. Esther also was taken to the king’s palace [at Susa] and entrusted to Hegai, who had charge of the harem.

    Where is mount Zion located?

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    Where is mount Zion located?
     
    According to this video, mt. Zion is in Kenya, near a river called Zion between Mombasa and Lamu.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWBWkom7Z_c

    The U.S. senator for Pennsylvania lives in Zion, PA, near State College, PA, the rural center of the state.

    Mount Zion, aka The Upper City aka the City of David is said to be in the area of Jerusalem
    http://www.bibleplaces.com/mtzion/

    What's your point?
    Mount Zion is not mentioned in the Book of Esther, at least not in the traditional, Torah version; maybe Talmudists or Kaballists spun a mystical version of Esther?

    I gather there's a Greek part -- not version, but part -- of Esther and a part that is Hebrew, I presume.

    I do know that the framework of the story of Esther mimics more ancient myths from Sumerian (??) or maybe Hittite/Hurian or even Egyptian mythology; many of the myths of that part of the world have common roots but were refashioned to fit the needs of a particular ethnic group.

    Why not just explain the sources and basis of your belief that the Esther story played out in Jerusalem? It's not a common understanding: most people are not convinced that it has any historic validity at all.

    Benzion Netanyahu discusses the Esther story in the introduction to his hallmark work about the Inquisition; if I recall correctly, he says that the historicity of the tale is disputable. Benzion also uses the introduction to define antisemitism as originating with Jews who were hired as mercenaries to oversee Egypt when the Persian empire conquered Egypt. That relationship -- of alien Jews who had formerly been offered security and prosperity by Egyptians now being in charge of indigenous but conquered Egyptians -- created resentments that Benzion calls "antisemitism."

    I'd call it human nature at work.

    It's particularly interesting that Benzion identifies resentments with the Jewish hirelings, since in most other instances, rulers of the Persian empire were notable for their efforts to grant as much autonomy as possible to people who became ruled by the Persian empire -- it was one of the unique features of the Persian mindset, attributable, so scholars say, to the Zoroastrian rather than Abrahamic belief system to which Persian rulers subscribed at that time. It is my belief that that Zoroastrian foundation still informs the Iranian character and culture, inflecting Iran's version of Islam.

    nb. Unlike books by Germar Rudolf, Max Weber, Mike King and other scholars who have researched the wars in Europe in the 20th century and come to different conclusions from the ordained narrative and have, therefore, been deleted from Amazon's pages, Benzion's book/s are still available on Amazon -- along with about 34,405 other titles under "holocaust books."

  99. @Chuck Orloski
    Hey Talha,

    Oh my -- what an awesome image! Too bad it did not make it into P. Zelikow's 9-11 report.

    Below is the presently unclassified remainder of the fanatical A-rab's conversation while doing W.T.C. demolition:

    "Yo Adnan! (gasp) The label on my box cutter says, "Made in Brussels!"

    " (Sigh) No wonder the E.U. economy is tanking, Hosni?"

    "Don't fret, Addie! I have a reciprocating saw and extra blades in my terror-tool box that is guaranteed to chop right through metal."

    "Oh cool... where was it made?"

    "Uh, let's see... the label says "Milwaukee Sawzall."

    "It sure looks heavy, Hosni! What made you bring it along?"

    "Well our Project Manager, K.S.M., told me to bring a Sawzall and power generator just in case!"

    (Mighty explosions) Boom! Boom! Sizzle.

    "Oh shit, hear that noise? I better get to work fast before someone else takes the tower down and they get the virgins instead of us, Adnan!"

    "Well, and as you know -- I am the 'jacked' part of the Muscle (Special Forces" team assigned to this project. Let me know when the Sawzall gets too heavy, Hosni!"

    (Sawzall buzzz... & more intense explosions)

    "Oh fuck. This terror job is way out-of-scope and is beyond even my Al-Qaeda overtime my pay!"

    Allied CIA/Mossad note: The Arab terrorist conversation came to an abrupt halt. But days later, an F.B.I. forensic crew found Adnan's Saudi passport nearby a mass of molten steel. However, only minutes after the Twin Towers collapsed, a high level Israeli government official credited Adnon and Hosni with having taken a tower down. W.T.C. Tower owner, Larry Silverstein was quoted later as saying, "Oh man, those killer Arabs musta' really liked their work!"

    LOL!!! I just read it again!

    Al-Qaeda overtime my pay!

    On a suicide mission!! LOL!!!

    The reason they can go cheap on those things is they know nobody’s going to be around to file a complaint to AQ HR.

    Peace.

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  100. @Chuck Orloski
    "Also, you'd better believe that Israel is going to be at the forefront of genetic research from which all Humanity will benefit."

    Dear Sam the Sham,

    I believe, I believe, I believe you, and only you!

    Oh I can hardly wait until I might get the Jewish scientist's research "bennies!"

    As you're aware, for a spell, N.J.-based rabbis tried their best to help a slim percentage of "Humanity" benefit by providing illegal human organ transplants... that is of course for those humans who could pay C.O.D.

    Do you think Israeli "cloning" of commoners (from pig embryos) will be covered under the G.O.P.'s new & improved Obamacare? (humph) I hope I don't end up on the back exhaust- end of the Jewish genetic research, Sam the Sham.

    Selah.

    Not only will you be covered under the new and improved plan for genetic enhancements, you’ll also be enrolled in the annual Pork and Beans programme with ‘Art’.

    Oh my – and Selah

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  101. @SolontoCroesus

    “According to Jewish accounts, Persian King Xerxes I discovered his viceroy Haman the Agagite’s conspiracy to slaughter Jews some 2,500 years ago and had him executed.
     
    Not 100% accurate to the story as told in the very book.
    First, Mordechai concealed his Jewish ethnicity and told Esther to do the same. It's unfathomable why this act of deception: the Iranian empire encompassed and empowered numerous ethnicities -- then and now. There was no need for the deception; maybe it was a "hard habit to break?"

    Furthermore, Mordechai employed himself as a spy;
    Mordechai and Mordechai alone refused to pay the respect to Haman that all others in the Iranian empire paid -- I wonder if he wore a pink hat that looked like horns?
    When Haman reported that a person close to the Persian king's citadel at Susa refused to pay the required respect, Mordechai grew testy.
    It's noteworthy that there is no outside evidence of an order by Haman to "kill all the Jews;" only Mordechai's assertion. Sound familiar?

    As the story progresses and Haman comes to be perceived as one who is in a position of influence and will not take guff from Yehud, the appellation "Agagite" is applied to him and his forebears; apparently this use of the term is the only use that linguists can trace --


    International Standard Bible Encyclopedia -
    AGAGITE

    a'-gag-it, ('aghaghi, from, 'aghagh, "a member of the house of Agag"):

    A title of opprobrium given to Haman (Esther 3:1,10; 8:3,5; 9:24). Jewish tradition always assigned the arch-enemies of Israel membership in the house of Amalek, the hereditary foe of the nation. Compare Ant, XI, vi, 5. The word Agag has properly been taken by Delitzsch as related to the Assyrian agagu, "to be powerful," "vehement," "angry." In the Greek parts of Esther, Haman is termed a Macedonian (Esther 1:2-6; 1:6-10). The name Haman is probably of Elamitic origin. Oppert's attempt to connect the term "Agagite" with "Agaz," a Median tribe mentioned by Sargon, has found no supporters.
     

    Something like a first run at the all-purpose "antisemite" slur.

    Speaking of all-purpose slurs and Jewish chariness at being called to account in ways that begin to impair their freedom of Mordechai-like (i.e. deceptive & vengeful) movement, Rabbi Mendy Cohen pulled a Mordechai and demanded that Amazon delete from its inventory books that "deny the Holocaust" or promote "Nazi propaganda."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0J3yNY4jEM

    Among the books banned by Jeff Bezos's Amazon online store are books by Germar Rudolf, including his carefully argued "Lectures on the Holocaust." That work is, however, available online -- http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1&page_id=15

    I encourage all who believe that the RIGHT to free speech requires the RESPONSIBILITY to protect that right and resist attempts to constrain it, to take some action.

    One effective, nonviolent and informative act of protection of the Right to Free Speech might be to organize Readings of Banned Books: the French Revolution gathered its energy from numerous salons where the issues of the day were robustly debated.

    Go Forth and READ!
    MAGA!

    “I encourage all who believe that the RIGHT to free speech requires the RESPONSIBILITY to protect that right and RESIST attempts to constrain it, to take some action.”

    Amen, SolontoCroesus. “Go Forth and Read!”

    Thanks and I will offer a “Smokey the Bear” style-slogan for today, below?

    Only YOU can prevent rabbinical calls for Amazon.com to stop selling (> 451 degrees) flammable books!

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  102. @Ilyana_Rozumova
    Where is mount Zion located?

    Where is mount Zion located?

    According to this video, mt. Zion is in Kenya, near a river called Zion between Mombasa and Lamu.

    The U.S. senator for Pennsylvania lives in Zion, PA, near State College, PA, the rural center of the state.

    Mount Zion, aka The Upper City aka the City of David is said to be in the area of Jerusalem

    http://www.bibleplaces.com/mtzion/

    What’s your point?
    Mount Zion is not mentioned in the Book of Esther, at least not in the traditional, Torah version; maybe Talmudists or Kaballists spun a mystical version of Esther?

    I gather there’s a Greek part — not version, but part — of Esther and a part that is Hebrew, I presume.

    I do know that the framework of the story of Esther mimics more ancient myths from Sumerian (??) or maybe Hittite/Hurian or even Egyptian mythology; many of the myths of that part of the world have common roots but were refashioned to fit the needs of a particular ethnic group.

    Why not just explain the sources and basis of your belief that the Esther story played out in Jerusalem? It’s not a common understanding: most people are not convinced that it has any historic validity at all.

    Benzion Netanyahu discusses the Esther story in the introduction to his hallmark work about the Inquisition; if I recall correctly, he says that the historicity of the tale is disputable. Benzion also uses the introduction to define antisemitism as originating with Jews who were hired as mercenaries to oversee Egypt when the Persian empire conquered Egypt. That relationship — of alien Jews who had formerly been offered security and prosperity by Egyptians now being in charge of indigenous but conquered Egyptians — created resentments that Benzion calls “antisemitism.”

    I’d call it human nature at work.

    It’s particularly interesting that Benzion identifies resentments with the Jewish hirelings, since in most other instances, rulers of the Persian empire were notable for their efforts to grant as much autonomy as possible to people who became ruled by the Persian empire — it was one of the unique features of the Persian mindset, attributable, so scholars say, to the Zoroastrian rather than Abrahamic belief system to which Persian rulers subscribed at that time. It is my belief that that Zoroastrian foundation still informs the Iranian character and culture, inflecting Iran’s version of Islam.

    nb. Unlike books by Germar Rudolf, Max Weber, Mike King and other scholars who have researched the wars in Europe in the 20th century and come to different conclusions from the ordained narrative and have, therefore, been deleted from Amazon’s pages, Benzion’s book/s are still available on Amazon — along with about 34,405 other titles under “holocaust books.”

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    EDIT:

    nb. Unlike books by Germar Rudolf, Max Weber, Mike King and other scholars who have researched the wars in Europe in the 20th century and come to different conclusions from the ordained narrative
     
    should be MARK Weber, historian who is indefatigable in his work for Institute for Historical Review (IHR).

    www.ihr.org

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEJ0UUIaxF0

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDDTmElixdM

  103. @SolontoCroesus

    Where is mount Zion located?
     
    According to this video, mt. Zion is in Kenya, near a river called Zion between Mombasa and Lamu.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWBWkom7Z_c

    The U.S. senator for Pennsylvania lives in Zion, PA, near State College, PA, the rural center of the state.

    Mount Zion, aka The Upper City aka the City of David is said to be in the area of Jerusalem
    http://www.bibleplaces.com/mtzion/

    What's your point?
    Mount Zion is not mentioned in the Book of Esther, at least not in the traditional, Torah version; maybe Talmudists or Kaballists spun a mystical version of Esther?

    I gather there's a Greek part -- not version, but part -- of Esther and a part that is Hebrew, I presume.

    I do know that the framework of the story of Esther mimics more ancient myths from Sumerian (??) or maybe Hittite/Hurian or even Egyptian mythology; many of the myths of that part of the world have common roots but were refashioned to fit the needs of a particular ethnic group.

    Why not just explain the sources and basis of your belief that the Esther story played out in Jerusalem? It's not a common understanding: most people are not convinced that it has any historic validity at all.

    Benzion Netanyahu discusses the Esther story in the introduction to his hallmark work about the Inquisition; if I recall correctly, he says that the historicity of the tale is disputable. Benzion also uses the introduction to define antisemitism as originating with Jews who were hired as mercenaries to oversee Egypt when the Persian empire conquered Egypt. That relationship -- of alien Jews who had formerly been offered security and prosperity by Egyptians now being in charge of indigenous but conquered Egyptians -- created resentments that Benzion calls "antisemitism."

    I'd call it human nature at work.

    It's particularly interesting that Benzion identifies resentments with the Jewish hirelings, since in most other instances, rulers of the Persian empire were notable for their efforts to grant as much autonomy as possible to people who became ruled by the Persian empire -- it was one of the unique features of the Persian mindset, attributable, so scholars say, to the Zoroastrian rather than Abrahamic belief system to which Persian rulers subscribed at that time. It is my belief that that Zoroastrian foundation still informs the Iranian character and culture, inflecting Iran's version of Islam.

    nb. Unlike books by Germar Rudolf, Max Weber, Mike King and other scholars who have researched the wars in Europe in the 20th century and come to different conclusions from the ordained narrative and have, therefore, been deleted from Amazon's pages, Benzion's book/s are still available on Amazon -- along with about 34,405 other titles under "holocaust books."

    EDIT:

    nb. Unlike books by Germar Rudolf, Max Weber, Mike King and other scholars who have researched the wars in Europe in the 20th century and come to different conclusions from the ordained narrative

    should be MARK Weber, historian who is indefatigable in his work for Institute for Historical Review (IHR).

    http://www.ihr.org

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEJ0UUIaxF0

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDDTmElixdM

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  104. “The U.S. Senator from Pennsylvania lives in Zion, near State College , PA.

    Dear S2C:

    The U.S. Senator (D. Likud) for Pennsylvania is Bobby Casey, a Scranton native! Looks fairly evident that he “Berns” to climb Congress’s “ladder” to the heights of Mount Zion, via a Pocono Mountain detour.

    Perhaps you are aware about the “anti-semitism awareness act,” an “end run” around free speech, that Senator Casey’s now sponsoring? Son of a respected Irish-American family, it appears Bobby is positioning himself to become more than just an “also ran” against democrat ally/rival, the Italian American, Cuomo of N.Y. state. Refer to article “link” below, obtained from reason.com.

    http://reason.com/blog/2016/12/01/proposed-anti-semitism-awareness-act-is

    Repulsive deeds like Senator Casey’s are sure to make Sam the Sham & Mendy Cohen proud for his looking after the key interests of reigning Kabbalists.

    psot scriptum: To paraphrase a once popular Bob Seger song it’s, “Take them revisionist Holocaust books off the shelf!”

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  105. @Sam Shama
    The only ones I see whining on these pages are people like you, incessantly so, about how Jews are the devil incarnate. Don't you think the bleating needs to stop?

    Perhaps if the ADL did not serve as an inspiration for incessantly whining and bleating things would improve..

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    "Perhaps if the ADL did not serve as inspiration for incessant whining..."

    Dear ggwyedd1,

    I appreciate your having made the above good point.

    However, & as you're likely aware, the ADL functions as a mobile flamethrower-unit that burns people who get too close to exposing Israel's Great Deception, and begin to attract a sizable, awakened, & volatile U.S. following.

    When I strike at Sam the Sham here at The Unz Review, I make sure that I do not lose sight that he's only (at best) ranked by the Tel Aviv Lowerarchy as a 2nd string, useful Hasbara-kiddie.

    (Sigh) I keep The faith that a Masters Degree-level Hasbara specialist will someday begin making comments here.

    In the meantime, gwynedd1, what we're stuck with now is Sam the Sham's low level & "uptown" deception tactics. Had he worked a physically hard job even at a Jewish Summer camp, I might respect him more. But had he ever fought a real battle against dedicated Palestinian "Islamo-Fascist," terrorists," Sam the Sham would not be wasting his time here by trying to "pin" my face to the Unz Review mat.

    post-scriptum: Pennsylvania's former U.S. Senator Rick Santorum (R. Knesset) popularized the stupid name "Islamo-Fascism" and afterward, he even made a losing bid to become POTUS.

    Hey Tel Aviv -- Please call your kids off this field?
  106. @SolontoCroesus

    All events written in book of Esther did happen in Jerusalem.
     
    That's a first, Ilyana.

    If "all events in Esther happened in Jerusalem," how did she come to be buried in Hamadan in Ecbatana, Iran (about 230 miles from Tehran) ?
    To this day, numerous US or UK-based Iranian tour agencies promote "tours to the tomb of Esther."
    Are they promoting a fraud?
    Is Esther NOT buried there?
    Is this monument to a Jew in a foreign land another hoax?
    Have Jerusalem's borders been expanded to encompass Hamadan, over a thousand miles (1654 km) away?

    from The Book of Esther, ch 1, vs 2: " At that time King Xerxes reigned from his royal throne in the citadel of Susa, . . ."


    Susa, a World Heritage Site, located in the south-west of Iran, in the lower Zagros Mountains . . .
    http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/1455
    Capital of Elam, one of the oldest cities of the world . . .

    ch 2 vs 3: "3 Let the king appoint commissioners in every province of his realm to bring all these beautiful young women into the harem at the citadel of Susa."

    ch 2 vs 5: "Now there was in the citadel of Susa a Jew of the tribe of Benjamin, named Mordecai son of Jair, the son of Shimei, the son of Kish, 6 who had been carried into exile from Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar king"

    in other words, and a crucial point of the tale, is that Mordechai -- and Esther -- had the opportunity to return to their beloved Zion but chose to remain in the fabulous Persian capital, as did about 80% of the Jews who had been liberated from Nebuchadnezzar's captivity by Cyrus.


    ch 2 vs 8: 8 When the king’s order and edict had been proclaimed, many young women were brought to the citadel of Susa and put under the care of Hegai. Esther also was taken to the king’s palace [at Susa] and entrusted to Hegai, who had charge of the harem.

    I have re-red the book of Esther The king’s name was king Ahasherus and he resided in Shushan and he did reign more than 8 years. Not clear if it was name of palace name of settlement or the city.

    Esther asked the king to hang Haman, and so he did. Than king did give a Mordecai ring.
    Than Mordecai with guards did kill 500 people who hated Jews. The rest of the book is gibberish. (But even this extracted information sounds gibberish to me.)
    In every case the actions of this so called king and his court do not reflect the magnitude of the king of Persia who conquered the Babylon and his court.
    And according the indications in the book this king was perpetually drunk.

    Concerning the graves I need to point out to you that it really does not take a day for stonemason to take some stones and carve out some names on it. (It attract tourists you know!)

    Concerning my claim that Haman was Palestinian I did not find reference to it in this bible. But I have several Bibles and I still believe that I did read it in one of them.
    If not I will apologize.

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  107. @gwynedd1
    Perhaps if the ADL did not serve as an inspiration for incessantly whining and bleating things would improve..

    “Perhaps if the ADL did not serve as inspiration for incessant whining…”

    Dear ggwyedd1,

    I appreciate your having made the above good point.

    However, & as you’re likely aware, the ADL functions as a mobile flamethrower-unit that burns people who get too close to exposing Israel’s Great Deception, and begin to attract a sizable, awakened, & volatile U.S. following.

    When I strike at Sam the Sham here at The Unz Review, I make sure that I do not lose sight that he’s only (at best) ranked by the Tel Aviv Lowerarchy as a 2nd string, useful Hasbara-kiddie.

    (Sigh) I keep The faith that a Masters Degree-level Hasbara specialist will someday begin making comments here.

    In the meantime, gwynedd1, what we’re stuck with now is Sam the Sham’s low level & “uptown” deception tactics. Had he worked a physically hard job even at a Jewish Summer camp, I might respect him more. But had he ever fought a real battle against dedicated Palestinian “Islamo-Fascist,” terrorists,” Sam the Sham would not be wasting his time here by trying to “pin” my face to the Unz Review mat.

    post-scriptum: Pennsylvania’s former U.S. Senator Rick Santorum (R. Knesset) popularized the stupid name “Islamo-Fascism” and afterward, he even made a losing bid to become POTUS.

    Hey Tel Aviv — Please call your kids off this field?

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  108. @Chuck Orloski
    Jacques,

    I understand one's harboring of ill feelings toward Counterpunch and J. St. Clair. It's understandable how you are "turned off" by Counterpunch annual contribution drives, but I had hoped you would have read the article that I "linked."

    Oh well, what I wanted to drive home to you was the fact that St. Clair's article was posted, April 2001. Five months later, the 9-11 attacks occurred and the Bush administration announced that the world was "changed forever" and Vladimir Putin reported that he had "premonitions" about the event.

    Figuring you may try to make connection with my line of reasoning, I trust you will look at the article "linked" below and a 9-11 story line which is near forgotten.

    http://www.edition.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/09/10/ar911.russia.putin/index.html

    As you might be aware, Jacques, V. Putin quickly assured President W. Bush of Russia's total support as the U.S. military launched attacks upon al-Qaeda's sanctuary, Afghanistan, and "kill" the man who ordered the downing of the two W.T.C. towers, O.B.L. (In November, 2001, President W. Bush and Putin took Superpower-counsel in a summit meeting)

    Finally, I know that you recall how the Corporate Media & the D.N.C. were assigning blame to Putin for influencing Donald Trump's presidential election. Oddly enough, and it was only a little over a month ago this year, reports flowed out of the Kremlin that suggested President Putin has very compromising satellite photos of the 9-11 attack which would damage P. Zelikow's "911 Commission Report."

    Jacques -- if a person like me and thousands of other (scepitcal) nationalist Americans are not "on board" whatsoever with the U.S. government's (non) investigation & ridiculous explanation on how 9-11 happened, I can not in any way accept that Vladimir Putin has bitten into the "Whopper" that 19-fanatical Arabs, with box cutters, took down the Twin Towers.

    In fact, I am convinced that P. Zelikow's "Report" continues to inspire secret laughter in the halls of D.C., Tel Aviv, and yes -- Moscow.

    (Note: On You Tube, I believe there is a video available which provides the Russian government statement about their having compromising satellite imagery on 9-11)

    Thanks and good night!

    On the Syrian tragedy, by the courageous Eva Bartlett:
    “…the civilians in Syria have been suffering for years since this Western-instigated so-called revolution started in 2011. And Western media that reports on civilian deaths . . . civilian deaths do occur when the army is fighting terrorists. It’s a war. But what the media ignores is the context. It ignores who funded these terrorists. It ignores the fact that Turkey and Israel have been attacking Syria and that this whole situation wouldn’t have occurred if the West, primarily Washington and its allies, hadn’t manufactured this notion of a revolution, hadn’t sent arms to the so-called rebels, hadn’t distorted the reality on the ground, hadn’t funded the so-called opposition.”
    “Indeed, the West’s involvement in Syria by its very nature puts the blood of every individual killed in that conflict squarely on the hands of the Western nations that engineered the crisis to begin with. Without the West, there would have been no “revolution,” no moderate cannibals, and no armed conflict whatsoever.” http://www.globalresearch.ca/corporate-media-exposed-for-reporting-syria-misinformation-canadian-journalist-eva-bartlett/5580001
    The rage of the mega-war profiteers and malicious Israel-first mythologists over the bad, bad, bad Russians has no limits. The situation is complicated for them by the availability of inflammatory information that undermines the very foundations of the highly profitable (for the MIC & financiers) “War on Terror.” When the US Congress squeals in a supposedly patriotic fever, “support the troops!!!!” while, at the same time, the CIA (with the blessing of the Congress) arms and provides logistics to Al Qaeda (the main enemy of the War on Terror), the profiteering scoundrels of the MIC, Congress, CIA, and State Dept. are exposed naked. Not a fig leaf to cover the ugly moral decay. This is a result of a”business model” that excludes, totally, any moral scruples. The scoundrels’ last resort is to appeal to the stupidity, ignorance, and opportunism of the presstituting MSM in a hope that the US populace at large will be equally stupid and ignorant.
    “… the truth of the matter is that the corporate outlets are agents of disinformation and propaganda as more and more Americans are beginning to learn by the day.” Correct.

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  109. @SolontoCroesus

    Even bible confirm that.
     
    Citation, please?

    The Book of Esther (3:1) identifies Haman as the descendent of Agag, King of Amalek.
    The Amalekites are descendants of Amalek, a grandson of Esau, who derive their origins from Edom (Genesis 36:11–12, 15–16).

    “Edom (/ˈiːdəm/ [1] or /ˈiː.dʌm/;[2] Hebrew: אֱדוֹם, Modern Edom, Tiberian ʼĔḏôm; , lit.: “red”; Assyrian: Udumi; Syriac: ܐܕܘܡ) is the name of a country and a people located initially in Transjordan, between Ammon to the north, the Dead Sea and the Arabah to the west, and the Arabian desert to the south and east.”
    Close to Palestine, but NOT Palestine. The Kingdom of Edom was identified with Arabia Petrensis.

    You can see the devastating effects of the ‘half-erudition’.

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    You can see the devastating effects of the ‘half-erudition’.
     
    Not sure what "devastating effects" you are alluding to.

    My understanding of the Esther story focuses on the overarching fact that Jews had been given the opportunity, indeed, the full financial and political support of the Persian people and leadership, to return to and rebuild what they professed to be their "beloved zion," but they chose to remain in Persia, and further, maneuvered in devious ways to demand superior rights and dominance in the land of the Persians.

    From a mythic or literary standpoint, I do not find the claim that "Haman schemed to kill ALL the Jews" credible; it seems to me the foundation myth of the Jewish "pre-traumatic stress disorder." This psychopathology has in other times and places resulted in the deaths of thousands, even millions of native peoples, while Jews claim victimhood before, during and after the slaughter of the falsely accused.

    As for the significance of Haman's Agagite (Amelikite) origins, it should be recalled that the Persian empire included a great diversity of people -- then and today, and that is was the unique characteristic of the ancient Persians to attempt to grant autonomy to all of these diverse peoples and respect their own customs and religions equally but with loyalty to the unifying Persian state. As the opening chapters of Esther recites, the Jews held themselves separate and refused to give the proper respect to the Persian state.
    The tenth chapter of Esther is truly "devastating" as it expands on the dynamic of Mordechai & Esther's determination to shatter that degree of comity that existed among the diverse peoples who were part of the Persian empire. Mordechai used Esther to insinuate himself into the hierarchy of the Persian people's government, establishing Jews as the dominant force and one to be feared. They did this by setting one group against the other, causing them to become Mordechai's willing executioners, with the approbation of an exploited and addled king. Thus, Esther caused 75,000 to be killed, in addition to the first 500 plus Haman and his ten sons in a two-day orgy of killing, followed by celebration and triumphal rejoicing the next day.

  110. annamaria,

    Thanks for introducing me to Eva Bartlett’s courageous work! Later I must search for more of her writing.

    Above, I note how Al-Qaida is mentioned.

    Did you notice how ISIS seemed to be either away-on-business or on-vacation during the bizarre Hillary-Trump campaign?

    Well now the Trump administration has shifted violent attention to .. guess who annamaria? Al-Qaida and co-leader Hamza bin laden, the son of O.B.L. F.Y.R., “linked” below is an article on al-Qaida’s dramatic comeback on the U.S. terror blacklist.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/bin-laden-son-osama-hamza-us-terror-blacklist-al-qaeda-isis-cia-a7512736.html

    Thanks again for the passing on Eva’s work and reminding me about who funds Syrian “terrorist” operations. The U.S.-Zionists seem to think they can endlessly rely upon American stupidity & insouciance.

    I’m not a betting guy, but were I to lay money on the intelligence & higher conscience of the American people, the Las Vegas Jews would definitely have to give me 100 extra-IQ points in order to bet against The Rothschild House

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  111. @Seraphim
    The Book of Esther (3:1) identifies Haman as the descendent of Agag, King of Amalek.
    The Amalekites are descendants of Amalek, a grandson of Esau, who derive their origins from Edom (Genesis 36:11–12, 15–16).

    "Edom (/ˈiːdəm/ [1] or /ˈiː.dʌm/;[2] Hebrew: אֱדוֹם, Modern Edom, Tiberian ʼĔḏôm; , lit.: "red"; Assyrian: Udumi; Syriac: ܐܕܘܡ) is the name of a country and a people located initially in Transjordan, between Ammon to the north, the Dead Sea and the Arabah to the west, and the Arabian desert to the south and east."
    Close to Palestine, but NOT Palestine. The Kingdom of Edom was identified with Arabia Petrensis.

    You can see the devastating effects of the 'half-erudition'.

    You can see the devastating effects of the ‘half-erudition’.

    Not sure what “devastating effects” you are alluding to.

    My understanding of the Esther story focuses on the overarching fact that Jews had been given the opportunity, indeed, the full financial and political support of the Persian people and leadership, to return to and rebuild what they professed to be their “beloved zion,” but they chose to remain in Persia, and further, maneuvered in devious ways to demand superior rights and dominance in the land of the Persians.

    From a mythic or literary standpoint, I do not find the claim that “Haman schemed to kill ALL the Jews” credible; it seems to me the foundation myth of the Jewish “pre-traumatic stress disorder.” This psychopathology has in other times and places resulted in the deaths of thousands, even millions of native peoples, while Jews claim victimhood before, during and after the slaughter of the falsely accused.

    As for the significance of Haman’s Agagite (Amelikite) origins, it should be recalled that the Persian empire included a great diversity of people — then and today, and that is was the unique characteristic of the ancient Persians to attempt to grant autonomy to all of these diverse peoples and respect their own customs and religions equally but with loyalty to the unifying Persian state. As the opening chapters of Esther recites, the Jews held themselves separate and refused to give the proper respect to the Persian state.
    The tenth chapter of Esther is truly “devastating” as it expands on the dynamic of Mordechai & Esther’s determination to shatter that degree of comity that existed among the diverse peoples who were part of the Persian empire. Mordechai used Esther to insinuate himself into the hierarchy of the Persian people’s government, establishing Jews as the dominant force and one to be feared. They did this by setting one group against the other, causing them to become Mordechai’s willing executioners, with the approbation of an exploited and addled king. Thus, Esther caused 75,000 to be killed, in addition to the first 500 plus Haman and his ten sons in a two-day orgy of killing, followed by celebration and triumphal rejoicing the next day.

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    116 solantoCroesus> As the opening chapters of Esther recites, the Jews held themselves separate and refused to give the proper respect to the Persian state.

    The nerve of those Hebrews, preserving their ethnos up until today.

    Just think of the human evolutionary success enjoyed by all those other diverse tribes of the Persian Empire. You know, the ones that immersed themselves in respect to the Persian Sovereign.
    Think of how successfully they resisted the Saudi-Hijazi Muhammedan cultural invasion!!

    Why can't those damned Jews, Solanto asks, be more like those Pakistanis & Somalis that everyone thinks so highly of??!?

    Don't worry Solanto, your White tribe is apparently going down the same intellectual path as the Sudanese. You can rest easy!
  112. I was referring to the kind of half backed ‘knowledge’, gleaned from half understood You tube ‘histories’, displayed by the Rozumova girl (Haman was Palestinian, Josephus did not exist, the Roman historian ‘Cornelius’) by which she made herself a laughing stock. Made the more ridiculous by the cock-sure and aggressive tone of the ‘know-it-all’.

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    Rozumova is not alone!

    Recently I spent way too many hours listening to video'd conferences of eminent historians discuss World War II.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79KU997m9o4
    One conference featured Gerhard Weinberg, who was introduced as one who "knows more about World War II than anybody." Weinberg, who is Jewish, claims and taught a generation of university students that

    "The Nazees goaded Japan to attack Pearl Harbor; the Japanese would not have attacked but for the support and encouragement given to them by Hitler."

    Weinberg presents as a snide and sarcastic little man whose favored rhetorical device is the gloat.

    Among other things, Weinberg declaimed that "the 5- or 6- million Germans who were ethnically cleansed would have preferred the gentler Morgenthau plan." Weinberg supported his view that the Morgenthau to deindustriale Germany was necessary because
    "20 years after WWI, Germany was rampaging all over the world."

    Leaders around the world felt it necessary to teach the Germans a lesson:
    "If you don't want your houses to be burned, don't set the world on fire."
    (Never mind that deliberately attacking and incinerating civilians is a crime against humanity -- much like Esther's slaughter of 75,000 Persians.)

    Weinber's analysis is classically Estherine:
    It is not true that "Germany was rampaging all over the world;" that meme was propagandized all over the world by (a.) Jewish and (b) British propagandist:

    --> (a) In 1933, James Waterman Wise, son of Rabbi Stephen Wise,** wrote Swastika: The Nazi Terror, which opened this way:


    BY DECREE ISSUED IN BERLIN MARCH 12, 1933, THE Nazi banner together with that of the Old Empire was proclaimed the flag of Germany. Upon it was inscribed the Swastika-symbolizing hatred of the Jew- and in that sign the new German Government, with Hitler at its head, declared and is waging official and relentless war upon 600,000 of its own citizens. [emphasis added]
     
    Wise had no sound basis for his inflammatory claims, just as Esther had no firm basis for the claims that Haman sought the destruction of all the Jews.

    The swastika symbolizes no such thing, except in Wise's huge imago that made a psychopathic god:

    James Waterman Wise's own hateful rhetoric is confounded by the statements of holocaust scholars Richard Breitman and Allen Lichtman, that "upon gaining power, Hitler's government quelled violence against Jews;" and also Prof. David Engel who states in a series of lectures titled "Understanding the Holocaust" that "Hitler and the Nazi regime made little mention of Jews in speeches and in legislation in the early years of the Third Reich."

    --> (b) The Unz forum has informed its readers of the massive efforts made by British propagandists to incite Americans to wage war on Germany --
    The Conquest of the United States by Britain ... with a little help from her friends, by Stephen J. Sniegoski, Jan. 2000,
    http://www.unz.com/article/the-conquest-of-the-united-states-by-britain/
    and
    American Pravda: Alexander Cockburn and the British Spies by Ron Unz, Aug. 2016
    http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-alexander-cockburn-and-the-british-spies/

    --

    In his lectures/book Lectures on the Holocaust, http://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/15-loth.pdf
    Germar Rudolf compares the activities -- including the persecution of Jews -- of Stalin vs Hitler:


    Q: Do you mean to say that Stalin deported Jews to Siberia?
    R: Absolutely. Sanning quotes figures announced by Jewish charity organizations
    at the time which speak of somewhere between half a million and one million Jews that were moved east when the war with Germany broke out. Stalin himself attacked the Jews massively during the “Great Purge,” which took place in 1937 and 1938. Let me give you an example in the form of a comparison of ethnicities in the upper echelons of the Soviet terror apparatus NKVD, based on NKVD internal sources:
     
    [here Rudolf posts a chart of "Proportion of Jews in the upper echelons of the NKVD" between 1934 and 1941, in which Jews went from 38.5% to 5.5% of that group, indicating how Jews were purged by Stalin's Russia, at the very time that Wise accused Hitler of "Jew hatred" and FDR aligned the USA with Stalinist Russia.]

    So here you have a totalitarian regime in Russia that in 1918, when the NS [National Socialist] party was established in Germany, had already murdered hundreds of thousands. It had murdered millions, when Hitler rose to power, [in 1933] and it had murdered several tens of millions by the time the war broke out between Poland on the one hand, which had mercilessly persecuted and ethnically cleansed the German, Ukrainian and Russian minorities on its territory (Blake 1993), and Germany and the Soviet Union on the other hand, in September 1939.
    Next, whereas Hitler did nothing after the war against Poland, Stalin attacked Finland, invaded and annexed Estonia and Latvia, and took Bessarabia from Romania without provocation and with brute force.
    Yet instead of perceiving Stalin as the greater threat for world peace and for the entire humanity, which he ultimately was, the entire world declared war on Germany and decided to eventually support Stalin unconditionally.
    At that time [i.e. the time when James Waterman Wise wrote of Hitler's "hatred" and "war against the Jews"] , and even until the summer of 1941, Hitler’s death toll was a tiny fraction of Stalin’s victims. And today, the sum of all victims of communism, . . ., number many tens of millions.
     
    The books/lectures by Breitman and Lichtman and David Engel are available on Amazon.

    Rudolf's lecture/book on the holocaust is not: We found 0 results for "germar rudolf lectures on the holocaust

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    ** In his book, "The Jew who Defeated Hitler, Henry Morgenthau, Jr. . . . " Peter Moreira quotes from Morgenthau's voluminous diaries how Rabbi Wise came to Morgenthau's office in 1942 and told him that "Nazis were making soap and lampshades of Jewish flesh." The conversation was a "turning point" in Morgenthau's relationship with the Jewish zionist community and "changed his life." It was a lie, that resulted in the deaths of millions of innocents.

  113. @Seraphim
    I was referring to the kind of half backed 'knowledge', gleaned from half understood You tube 'histories', displayed by the Rozumova girl (Haman was Palestinian, Josephus did not exist, the Roman historian 'Cornelius') by which she made herself a laughing stock. Made the more ridiculous by the cock-sure and aggressive tone of the 'know-it-all'.

    Rozumova is not alone!

    Recently I spent way too many hours listening to video’d conferences of eminent historians discuss World War II.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79KU997m9o4
    One conference featured Gerhard Weinberg, who was introduced as one who “knows more about World War II than anybody.” Weinberg, who is Jewish, claims and taught a generation of university students that

    “The Nazees goaded Japan to attack Pearl Harbor; the Japanese would not have attacked but for the support and encouragement given to them by Hitler.”

    Weinberg presents as a snide and sarcastic little man whose favored rhetorical device is the gloat.

    Among other things, Weinberg declaimed that “the 5- or 6- million Germans who were ethnically cleansed would have preferred the gentler Morgenthau plan.” Weinberg supported his view that the Morgenthau to deindustriale Germany was necessary because
    “20 years after WWI, Germany was rampaging all over the world.”

    Leaders around the world felt it necessary to teach the Germans a lesson:
    “If you don’t want your houses to be burned, don’t set the world on fire.”
    (Never mind that deliberately attacking and incinerating civilians is a crime against humanity — much like Esther’s slaughter of 75,000 Persians.)

    Weinber’s analysis is classically Estherine:
    It is not true that “Germany was rampaging all over the world;” that meme was propagandized all over the world by (a.) Jewish and (b) British propagandist:

    –> (a) In 1933, James Waterman Wise, son of Rabbi Stephen Wise,** wrote Swastika: The Nazi Terror, which opened this way:

    BY DECREE ISSUED IN BERLIN MARCH 12, 1933, THE Nazi banner together with that of the Old Empire was proclaimed the flag of Germany. Upon it was inscribed the Swastika-symbolizing hatred of the Jew- and in that sign the new German Government, with Hitler at its head, declared and is waging official and relentless war upon 600,000 of its own citizens. [emphasis added]

    Wise had no sound basis for his inflammatory claims, just as Esther had no firm basis for the claims that Haman sought the destruction of all the Jews.

    The swastika symbolizes no such thing, except in Wise’s huge imago that made a psychopathic god:

    James Waterman Wise’s own hateful rhetoric is confounded by the statements of holocaust scholars Richard Breitman and Allen Lichtman, that “upon gaining power, Hitler’s government quelled violence against Jews;” and also Prof. David Engel who states in a series of lectures titled “Understanding the Holocaust” that “Hitler and the Nazi regime made little mention of Jews in speeches and in legislation in the early years of the Third Reich.”

    –> (b) The Unz forum has informed its readers of the massive efforts made by British propagandists to incite Americans to wage war on Germany —
    The Conquest of the United States by Britainwith a little help from her friends, by Stephen J. Sniegoski, Jan. 2000,
    http://www.unz.com/article/the-conquest-of-the-united-states-by-britain/
    and
    American Pravda: Alexander Cockburn and the British Spies by Ron Unz, Aug. 2016
    http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-alexander-cockburn-and-the-british-spies/

    In his lectures/book Lectures on the Holocaust, http://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/15-loth.pdf
    Germar Rudolf compares the activities — including the persecution of Jews — of Stalin vs Hitler:

    Q: Do you mean to say that Stalin deported Jews to Siberia?
    R: Absolutely. Sanning quotes figures announced by Jewish charity organizations
    at the time which speak of somewhere between half a million and one million Jews that were moved east when the war with Germany broke out. Stalin himself attacked the Jews massively during the “Great Purge,” which took place in 1937 and 1938. Let me give you an example in the form of a comparison of ethnicities in the upper echelons of the Soviet terror apparatus NKVD, based on NKVD internal sources:

    [here Rudolf posts a chart of "Proportion of Jews in the upper echelons of the NKVD" between 1934 and 1941, in which Jews went from 38.5% to 5.5% of that group, indicating how Jews were purged by Stalin's Russia, at the very time that Wise accused Hitler of "Jew hatred" and FDR aligned the USA with Stalinist Russia.]

    So here you have a totalitarian regime in Russia that in 1918, when the NS [National Socialist] party was established in Germany, had already murdered hundreds of thousands. It had murdered millions, when Hitler rose to power, [in 1933] and it had murdered several tens of millions by the time the war broke out between Poland on the one hand, which had mercilessly persecuted and ethnically cleansed the German, Ukrainian and Russian minorities on its territory (Blake 1993), and Germany and the Soviet Union on the other hand, in September 1939.
    Next, whereas Hitler did nothing after the war against Poland, Stalin attacked Finland, invaded and annexed Estonia and Latvia, and took Bessarabia from Romania without provocation and with brute force.
    Yet instead of perceiving Stalin as the greater threat for world peace and for the entire humanity, which he ultimately was, the entire world declared war on Germany and decided to eventually support Stalin unconditionally.
    At that time [i.e. the time when James Waterman Wise wrote of Hitler's "hatred" and "war against the Jews"] , and even until the summer of 1941, Hitler’s death toll was a tiny fraction of Stalin’s victims. And today, the sum of all victims of communism, . . ., number many tens of millions.

    The books/lectures by Breitman and Lichtman and David Engel are available on Amazon.

    Rudolf’s lecture/book on the holocaust is not: We found 0 results for “germar rudolf lectures on the holocaust


    ** In his book, “The Jew who Defeated Hitler, Henry Morgenthau, Jr. . . . ” Peter Moreira quotes from Morgenthau’s voluminous diaries how Rabbi Wise came to Morgenthau’s office in 1942 and told him that “Nazis were making soap and lampshades of Jewish flesh.” The conversation was a “turning point” in Morgenthau’s relationship with the Jewish zionist community and “changed his life.” It was a lie, that resulted in the deaths of millions of innocents.

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    I was waiting for the moment when the evacuation of the Jews from the Western parts of the SU would be transformed in 'deportation', conveniently forgetting their own admissions.
    Thus on the 2nd of July 1943 the Jewish Telegraphic Agency announced:

    “Russia has saved over ten times as many Jews from Nazi extermination as all the rest of the world put together,” James N. Rosenberg, American Jewish leader, declared here today in an address of welcome which he delivered at a reception given at the Astor Hotel to Solomon Mikhoels and Itzik Feffer, the Jewish cultural delegation from Russia. The reception was attended by several hundred representatives of various Jewish organizations.
    Emphasizing that he based his estimate of those saved on facts gathered by the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, Mr. Rosenberg quoted the organization’s journal as reporting that “of some 1,750,000 Jews who succeeded in escaping the Axis since the outbreak of hostilities, about 1,600,000 were evacuated by the Soviet Government from Eastern Poland and subsequently occupied Soviet territory and transported far into the Russian interior and beyond the Urals. About 150,000 others managed to reach Palestine, the United States, and other countries beyond the seas.”
    “We Jews,” Mr. Rosenberg said, “rightly give thanks for the innumerable resolutions of sympathy for Jews, adopted by well-meaning men and groups horrified by the hideous tragedy which has befallen our people. Russia has chosen deeds. She has given life, asylum, bread, and shelter to a vast Jewish population. These facts are not sufficiently known. To make them known to every Jew in this country is a task of supreme importance for the Jewish Council for Russian War Relief. Need I ask what would have happened to those Jews had Russia left them where they were?”

    And after the war, according to Louis Levine, President of the American Jewish Council for Russian Relief, who made a post-war tour of the Soviet Union and submitted a report on the status of Jews there, the majority of these numbers were evacuated east after the German armies launched their invasion. In Chicago, on October 30th, 1946, he declared that: "At the outset of the War, Jews were amongst those first evacuated from the regions threatened by the Hitlerite invaders, and shipped to safty east of the Urals. TWO MILLION were thus saved"!
  114. Israel Shamir forgot to add that for Netanyahu’s visit, Putin the Caesar of the III Rome Russia ( since Russia has inherited the Legacy of Rome and Byzantium ), gifted him with a copy of 1500 in latin and italian of the ‘Jewish Wars’ of Flavius Josephus, in which it is described how Emperor Titus destroyed Jerusalem and Masada.

    It is a roman gift- in latin and italian, of a real fact- in response to a jewish gift in hebrew- the Esther tale.

    We are sure Netanyahu will understand the finésse.

    http://tass.com/politics/934748

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  115. @SolontoCroesus
    Rozumova is not alone!

    Recently I spent way too many hours listening to video'd conferences of eminent historians discuss World War II.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79KU997m9o4
    One conference featured Gerhard Weinberg, who was introduced as one who "knows more about World War II than anybody." Weinberg, who is Jewish, claims and taught a generation of university students that

    "The Nazees goaded Japan to attack Pearl Harbor; the Japanese would not have attacked but for the support and encouragement given to them by Hitler."

    Weinberg presents as a snide and sarcastic little man whose favored rhetorical device is the gloat.

    Among other things, Weinberg declaimed that "the 5- or 6- million Germans who were ethnically cleansed would have preferred the gentler Morgenthau plan." Weinberg supported his view that the Morgenthau to deindustriale Germany was necessary because
    "20 years after WWI, Germany was rampaging all over the world."

    Leaders around the world felt it necessary to teach the Germans a lesson:
    "If you don't want your houses to be burned, don't set the world on fire."
    (Never mind that deliberately attacking and incinerating civilians is a crime against humanity -- much like Esther's slaughter of 75,000 Persians.)

    Weinber's analysis is classically Estherine:
    It is not true that "Germany was rampaging all over the world;" that meme was propagandized all over the world by (a.) Jewish and (b) British propagandist:

    --> (a) In 1933, James Waterman Wise, son of Rabbi Stephen Wise,** wrote Swastika: The Nazi Terror, which opened this way:


    BY DECREE ISSUED IN BERLIN MARCH 12, 1933, THE Nazi banner together with that of the Old Empire was proclaimed the flag of Germany. Upon it was inscribed the Swastika-symbolizing hatred of the Jew- and in that sign the new German Government, with Hitler at its head, declared and is waging official and relentless war upon 600,000 of its own citizens. [emphasis added]
     
    Wise had no sound basis for his inflammatory claims, just as Esther had no firm basis for the claims that Haman sought the destruction of all the Jews.

    The swastika symbolizes no such thing, except in Wise's huge imago that made a psychopathic god:

    James Waterman Wise's own hateful rhetoric is confounded by the statements of holocaust scholars Richard Breitman and Allen Lichtman, that "upon gaining power, Hitler's government quelled violence against Jews;" and also Prof. David Engel who states in a series of lectures titled "Understanding the Holocaust" that "Hitler and the Nazi regime made little mention of Jews in speeches and in legislation in the early years of the Third Reich."

    --> (b) The Unz forum has informed its readers of the massive efforts made by British propagandists to incite Americans to wage war on Germany --
    The Conquest of the United States by Britain ... with a little help from her friends, by Stephen J. Sniegoski, Jan. 2000,
    http://www.unz.com/article/the-conquest-of-the-united-states-by-britain/
    and
    American Pravda: Alexander Cockburn and the British Spies by Ron Unz, Aug. 2016
    http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-alexander-cockburn-and-the-british-spies/

    --

    In his lectures/book Lectures on the Holocaust, http://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/15-loth.pdf
    Germar Rudolf compares the activities -- including the persecution of Jews -- of Stalin vs Hitler:


    Q: Do you mean to say that Stalin deported Jews to Siberia?
    R: Absolutely. Sanning quotes figures announced by Jewish charity organizations
    at the time which speak of somewhere between half a million and one million Jews that were moved east when the war with Germany broke out. Stalin himself attacked the Jews massively during the “Great Purge,” which took place in 1937 and 1938. Let me give you an example in the form of a comparison of ethnicities in the upper echelons of the Soviet terror apparatus NKVD, based on NKVD internal sources:
     
    [here Rudolf posts a chart of "Proportion of Jews in the upper echelons of the NKVD" between 1934 and 1941, in which Jews went from 38.5% to 5.5% of that group, indicating how Jews were purged by Stalin's Russia, at the very time that Wise accused Hitler of "Jew hatred" and FDR aligned the USA with Stalinist Russia.]

    So here you have a totalitarian regime in Russia that in 1918, when the NS [National Socialist] party was established in Germany, had already murdered hundreds of thousands. It had murdered millions, when Hitler rose to power, [in 1933] and it had murdered several tens of millions by the time the war broke out between Poland on the one hand, which had mercilessly persecuted and ethnically cleansed the German, Ukrainian and Russian minorities on its territory (Blake 1993), and Germany and the Soviet Union on the other hand, in September 1939.
    Next, whereas Hitler did nothing after the war against Poland, Stalin attacked Finland, invaded and annexed Estonia and Latvia, and took Bessarabia from Romania without provocation and with brute force.
    Yet instead of perceiving Stalin as the greater threat for world peace and for the entire humanity, which he ultimately was, the entire world declared war on Germany and decided to eventually support Stalin unconditionally.
    At that time [i.e. the time when James Waterman Wise wrote of Hitler's "hatred" and "war against the Jews"] , and even until the summer of 1941, Hitler’s death toll was a tiny fraction of Stalin’s victims. And today, the sum of all victims of communism, . . ., number many tens of millions.
     
    The books/lectures by Breitman and Lichtman and David Engel are available on Amazon.

    Rudolf's lecture/book on the holocaust is not: We found 0 results for "germar rudolf lectures on the holocaust

    ---
    ** In his book, "The Jew who Defeated Hitler, Henry Morgenthau, Jr. . . . " Peter Moreira quotes from Morgenthau's voluminous diaries how Rabbi Wise came to Morgenthau's office in 1942 and told him that "Nazis were making soap and lampshades of Jewish flesh." The conversation was a "turning point" in Morgenthau's relationship with the Jewish zionist community and "changed his life." It was a lie, that resulted in the deaths of millions of innocents.

    I was waiting for the moment when the evacuation of the Jews from the Western parts of the SU would be transformed in ‘deportation’, conveniently forgetting their own admissions.
    Thus on the 2nd of July 1943 the Jewish Telegraphic Agency announced:

    “Russia has saved over ten times as many Jews from Nazi extermination as all the rest of the world put together,” James N. Rosenberg, American Jewish leader, declared here today in an address of welcome which he delivered at a reception given at the Astor Hotel to Solomon Mikhoels and Itzik Feffer, the Jewish cultural delegation from Russia. The reception was attended by several hundred representatives of various Jewish organizations.
    Emphasizing that he based his estimate of those saved on facts gathered by the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, Mr. Rosenberg quoted the organization’s journal as reporting that “of some 1,750,000 Jews who succeeded in escaping the Axis since the outbreak of hostilities, about 1,600,000 were evacuated by the Soviet Government from Eastern Poland and subsequently occupied Soviet territory and transported far into the Russian interior and beyond the Urals. About 150,000 others managed to reach Palestine, the United States, and other countries beyond the seas.”
    “We Jews,” Mr. Rosenberg said, “rightly give thanks for the innumerable resolutions of sympathy for Jews, adopted by well-meaning men and groups horrified by the hideous tragedy which has befallen our people. Russia has chosen deeds. She has given life, asylum, bread, and shelter to a vast Jewish population. These facts are not sufficiently known. To make them known to every Jew in this country is a task of supreme importance for the Jewish Council for Russian War Relief. Need I ask what would have happened to those Jews had Russia left them where they were?”

    And after the war, according to Louis Levine, President of the American Jewish Council for Russian Relief, who made a post-war tour of the Soviet Union and submitted a report on the status of Jews there, the majority of these numbers were evacuated east after the German armies launched their invasion. In Chicago, on October 30th, 1946, he declared that: “At the outset of the War, Jews were amongst those first evacuated from the regions threatened by the Hitlerite invaders, and shipped to safty east of the Urals. TWO MILLION were thus saved”!

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    I also red somewhere that all this Esther crap was about that which tribe will collect the taxes.
  116. @SolontoCroesus
    hooray for the Bolshies!

    (As I understand the events/personalities, Trotsky was the dude who got high on killing, while Lenin opted for a kinder, gentler form of revolution and, in genuine Machiavellian fashion, killed only the necessary few -- like Trotsky. Ironical that US neocons are acolytes of Trotsky, not Lenin.)

    Susan Butler luvs her Stalin; so did FDR, Butler claims.
    https://www.c-span.org/video/?190721-1/dear-mr-stalin

    According to Butler, for Stalin to kill tens of millions of people was "necessary to realize his vision" and anyway, Butler sez, "they were kulaks." Dispensable human material.
    Hitler killing far fewer (if truth be told, which it never is), was, according to selfsame Butler, a crime of the greatest magnitude in history, a view seconded, thirded, and 6 millionthed, by the Harry Fleishes of this benighted world, because its goal was "the eradication of an entire people," more specifically, people in whom Butler had a interest (not some

    Stealing most of what was left standing after Brits & USAF bombed the hell out of Germany provided a big boost also.

    ----
    Hamentashen -- sweets named for a millennia-old tyrant.
    Caused me to remember how, when the kids were still eating at our table, we occasionally treated to Napoleons, from the bakery shop. They were great.
    The trend suggests that some day, young people will gather around a plate of Hitler confections to celebrate Aryan Nationalism, as Gustafus recounted:


    The irony of course… is the coming planetary race war will require we abandon the moral high ground we’ve lorded over demon Aryan Nationalism….. because Aryan Nationalism is all that can save us

    Chew on that awhile…. it took 72 years… but Hitler has won the war of ideas. The Nazi’s rounded up and interned the perceived enemies of their culture. German Jews were economic enemies… tribal enemies…. predatory cultural enemies…
     

    .

    Even more importantly, gustafus, Hitler, Goering, Hjalmar Schacht et cie successfully implemented implemented an economic system

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkenkfRTn4c

    that upended the debt-based system that was/is, according to Jerry Muller, the innovation of Jews
    https://www.ghi-dc.org/fileadmin/user_upload/GHI_Washington/Publications/Bulletin58/bu58_9.pdf

    On that score, I quibble with gustafus's statement that


    Right or wrong… Germans perceived Jews as mortal enemies … to be banished
     

    My assessment, based on Hitler's oft-repeated warning that manipulation of Germany's economic matters by "Jews and western financiers" must cease or meet with dire consequences, is that the Third Reich perceived the financial interference of Jews (& others) as "mortal enemies," but not Jews as Jews. That's an extremely important distinction, borne out in rhetoric and practice.


    gustafus continued:


    Both sides had concentration camps….. ours were sufficiently supplied…. Germany was unable to provide even minimal sustenance to their internees. And then DELOUSING morphed into “extermination” when victors wrote the history. Lampshades and soap …. more vitriolic folklore heaped on the German people for 72 years while Jews reclaimed their economic and political pre eminence over the occupied Aryans. http://www.unz.com/tengelhardt/michael-klare-winning-world-war-ii-in-the-twenty-first-century/#comment-1799859
     
    Will the Hitler commemorative pastry be Cupcakes tricked out like lampshades??
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  117. @SolontoCroesus

    You can see the devastating effects of the ‘half-erudition’.
     
    Not sure what "devastating effects" you are alluding to.

    My understanding of the Esther story focuses on the overarching fact that Jews had been given the opportunity, indeed, the full financial and political support of the Persian people and leadership, to return to and rebuild what they professed to be their "beloved zion," but they chose to remain in Persia, and further, maneuvered in devious ways to demand superior rights and dominance in the land of the Persians.

    From a mythic or literary standpoint, I do not find the claim that "Haman schemed to kill ALL the Jews" credible; it seems to me the foundation myth of the Jewish "pre-traumatic stress disorder." This psychopathology has in other times and places resulted in the deaths of thousands, even millions of native peoples, while Jews claim victimhood before, during and after the slaughter of the falsely accused.

    As for the significance of Haman's Agagite (Amelikite) origins, it should be recalled that the Persian empire included a great diversity of people -- then and today, and that is was the unique characteristic of the ancient Persians to attempt to grant autonomy to all of these diverse peoples and respect their own customs and religions equally but with loyalty to the unifying Persian state. As the opening chapters of Esther recites, the Jews held themselves separate and refused to give the proper respect to the Persian state.
    The tenth chapter of Esther is truly "devastating" as it expands on the dynamic of Mordechai & Esther's determination to shatter that degree of comity that existed among the diverse peoples who were part of the Persian empire. Mordechai used Esther to insinuate himself into the hierarchy of the Persian people's government, establishing Jews as the dominant force and one to be feared. They did this by setting one group against the other, causing them to become Mordechai's willing executioners, with the approbation of an exploited and addled king. Thus, Esther caused 75,000 to be killed, in addition to the first 500 plus Haman and his ten sons in a two-day orgy of killing, followed by celebration and triumphal rejoicing the next day.

    116 solantoCroesus> As the opening chapters of Esther recites, the Jews held themselves separate and refused to give the proper respect to the Persian state.

    The nerve of those Hebrews, preserving their ethnos up until today.

    Just think of the human evolutionary success enjoyed by all those other diverse tribes of the Persian Empire. You know, the ones that immersed themselves in respect to the Persian Sovereign.
    Think of how successfully they resisted the Saudi-Hijazi Muhammedan cultural invasion!!

    Why can’t those damned Jews, Solanto asks, be more like those Pakistanis & Somalis that everyone thinks so highly of??!?

    Don’t worry Solanto, your White tribe is apparently going down the same intellectual path as the Sudanese. You can rest easy!

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    • Agree: Clyde
    • LOL: iffen
    • Replies: @iulia
    The jews have no ethnos, in effect. Stating to their genetical charts, they are a bunch of mongrels who intermixed with everyone they found useful, in their pilgrimages: they have genes from Africa, from Asia, from Europe, from everywhere. They are just parasithes, and the myth of a so called ' purity and separativism' has been long debunked: they tried to do proselytism everywhere they can ( they even tried to convert the Emperor Nero through his wife ) and everywhere there was a power to exploit ( as they do with U.S. ). It's only in the last decades that they tried to build a myth on 'purity', to mimick the Indoaryan countries. But in effect, they are mongrels, nothing more: infact, for their laws, you are a jew if your mother is a jew: this means the fathers are an investment for them, no one ever tried to understand why? Because it's the father that gives the name to the son. In this way, they can gain through remix of the genes some apparent look with the native, pure population, and have a name that sounds like a gentile name. This is a strategy of exploitation and it is useful to intermixing. It is not a case if they change name so much times ( see the case of Netanyahu, who previously called itself with the name of Mielikowsi when he was in Poland ).
    , @iulia
    The jews have no ethnos, in effect. Stating to their genetical charts, they are a bunch of mongrels who intermixed with everyone they found useful, in their pilgrimages: they have genes from Africa, from Asia, from Europe, from everywhere. They are just parasithes, and the myth of a so called ' purity and separativism' has been long debunked: they tried to do proselytism everywhere they can ( they even tried to convert the Emperor Nero through his wife ) and everywhere there was a power to exploit ( as they do with U.S. ). It's only in the last decades that they tried to build a myth on 'purity', to mimick the Indoaryan countries. But in effect, they are mongrels, nothing more, infact for their law you are a jew if you have a jew mother, wonder why? Because the father gives the son his name, and part of his genes: in this way they can remix the genes continuously, and gain an apparent look, similar to autoctones, and also a 'gentile' name to hid among people: check the case of Netanyahu, when he was in Poland he has a polish name, Mielikowsky. It's not for chance they change name so much: because they have no name at all. This means a thing: they wasn't a race at the beginning, but a bunch of religious bastards with a bastard religion.

    But if you check their genetics, there is so much shit in their blood that no other people in this world have it ( there are also chinese jews: undistinguishable from chinese population ). That's why for the Nations, who are most integral in their genetics, the jews are dirty: in effect, they are.
    , @SolontoCroesus

    "At the end of every Hebrew sentence that you utter,
    There sits an Arab, smoking his hookah.
    Even if it began in Siberia,
    Or in Hollywood, with Hava Nagilah."

    -Me'ir Ariel
    in "The Disenchantment of the Orient," by Gil Eyal
     

    What troubles Jews most profoundly -- the implacable, inescapable basis for the persistent charge of "antisemite," is that Jews are Semitic.
    They are not Western. They are not Aryan.
    They are kissing cousins with those filthy Arabs, sucking on their hookahs, and they can't stand it.
    Yossi Alpher told Bruce Reidel in a talk at Brookings that "every Israeli wants to be understood as legitimate heirs to the Persian empire, having the same ancient lineage and legacy."

    The best thing that ever happened to Hebrews was their inclusion in the Persian empire, where they learned how to walk upright and to write, think, and engage in commerce. It took a year of intense tutelage and makeover for Esther to measure up to Persian standards.

    Jews reject passionately their real identity as Semites from Ur, while they seek, neurotically and destructively, to recreate themselves in the identity of those whom they perceive to be of greater accomplishment and quality than they. A tragedy.

  118. @Karl
    116 solantoCroesus> As the opening chapters of Esther recites, the Jews held themselves separate and refused to give the proper respect to the Persian state.

    The nerve of those Hebrews, preserving their ethnos up until today.

    Just think of the human evolutionary success enjoyed by all those other diverse tribes of the Persian Empire. You know, the ones that immersed themselves in respect to the Persian Sovereign.
    Think of how successfully they resisted the Saudi-Hijazi Muhammedan cultural invasion!!

    Why can't those damned Jews, Solanto asks, be more like those Pakistanis & Somalis that everyone thinks so highly of??!?

    Don't worry Solanto, your White tribe is apparently going down the same intellectual path as the Sudanese. You can rest easy!

    The jews have no ethnos, in effect. Stating to their genetical charts, they are a bunch of mongrels who intermixed with everyone they found useful, in their pilgrimages: they have genes from Africa, from Asia, from Europe, from everywhere. They are just parasithes, and the myth of a so called ‘ purity and separativism’ has been long debunked: they tried to do proselytism everywhere they can ( they even tried to convert the Emperor Nero through his wife ) and everywhere there was a power to exploit ( as they do with U.S. ). It’s only in the last decades that they tried to build a myth on ‘purity’, to mimick the Indoaryan countries. But in effect, they are mongrels, nothing more: infact, for their laws, you are a jew if your mother is a jew: this means the fathers are an investment for them, no one ever tried to understand why? Because it’s the father that gives the name to the son. In this way, they can gain through remix of the genes some apparent look with the native, pure population, and have a name that sounds like a gentile name. This is a strategy of exploitation and it is useful to intermixing. It is not a case if they change name so much times ( see the case of Netanyahu, who previously called itself with the name of Mielikowsi when he was in Poland ).

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  119. @Karl
    116 solantoCroesus> As the opening chapters of Esther recites, the Jews held themselves separate and refused to give the proper respect to the Persian state.

    The nerve of those Hebrews, preserving their ethnos up until today.

    Just think of the human evolutionary success enjoyed by all those other diverse tribes of the Persian Empire. You know, the ones that immersed themselves in respect to the Persian Sovereign.
    Think of how successfully they resisted the Saudi-Hijazi Muhammedan cultural invasion!!

    Why can't those damned Jews, Solanto asks, be more like those Pakistanis & Somalis that everyone thinks so highly of??!?

    Don't worry Solanto, your White tribe is apparently going down the same intellectual path as the Sudanese. You can rest easy!

    The jews have no ethnos, in effect. Stating to their genetical charts, they are a bunch of mongrels who intermixed with everyone they found useful, in their pilgrimages: they have genes from Africa, from Asia, from Europe, from everywhere. They are just parasithes, and the myth of a so called ‘ purity and separativism’ has been long debunked: they tried to do proselytism everywhere they can ( they even tried to convert the Emperor Nero through his wife ) and everywhere there was a power to exploit ( as they do with U.S. ). It’s only in the last decades that they tried to build a myth on ‘purity’, to mimick the Indoaryan countries. But in effect, they are mongrels, nothing more, infact for their law you are a jew if you have a jew mother, wonder why? Because the father gives the son his name, and part of his genes: in this way they can remix the genes continuously, and gain an apparent look, similar to autoctones, and also a ‘gentile’ name to hid among people: check the case of Netanyahu, when he was in Poland he has a polish name, Mielikowsky. It’s not for chance they change name so much: because they have no name at all. This means a thing: they wasn’t a race at the beginning, but a bunch of religious bastards with a bastard religion.

    But if you check their genetics, there is so much shit in their blood that no other people in this world have it ( there are also chinese jews: undistinguishable from chinese population ). That’s why for the Nations, who are most integral in their genetics, the jews are dirty: in effect, they are.

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  120. @Karl
    116 solantoCroesus> As the opening chapters of Esther recites, the Jews held themselves separate and refused to give the proper respect to the Persian state.

    The nerve of those Hebrews, preserving their ethnos up until today.

    Just think of the human evolutionary success enjoyed by all those other diverse tribes of the Persian Empire. You know, the ones that immersed themselves in respect to the Persian Sovereign.
    Think of how successfully they resisted the Saudi-Hijazi Muhammedan cultural invasion!!

    Why can't those damned Jews, Solanto asks, be more like those Pakistanis & Somalis that everyone thinks so highly of??!?

    Don't worry Solanto, your White tribe is apparently going down the same intellectual path as the Sudanese. You can rest easy!

    “At the end of every Hebrew sentence that you utter,
    There sits an Arab, smoking his hookah.
    Even if it began in Siberia,
    Or in Hollywood, with Hava Nagilah.

    -Me’ir Ariel
    in “The Disenchantment of the Orient,” by Gil Eyal

    What troubles Jews most profoundly — the implacable, inescapable basis for the persistent charge of “antisemite,” is that Jews are Semitic.
    They are not Western. They are not Aryan.
    They are kissing cousins with those filthy Arabs, sucking on their hookahs, and they can’t stand it.
    Yossi Alpher told Bruce Reidel in a talk at Brookings that “every Israeli wants to be understood as legitimate heirs to the Persian empire, having the same ancient lineage and legacy.”

    The best thing that ever happened to Hebrews was their inclusion in the Persian empire, where they learned how to walk upright and to write, think, and engage in commerce. It took a year of intense tutelage and makeover for Esther to measure up to Persian standards.

    Jews reject passionately their real identity as Semites from Ur, while they seek, neurotically and destructively, to recreate themselves in the identity of those whom they perceive to be of greater accomplishment and quality than they. A tragedy.

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    • LOL: Sam Shama
    • Replies: @annamaria
    "...they seek ... to recreate themselves in the identity of those whom they perceive to be of greater accomplishment and quality than they. A tragedy."
    No, there is no tragedy. A passionate acceptance of a superior civilization and the talented contributions to this civilization are wonderful for the humanity at large. Whether the Maimonides, or Spinoza, Mahler, Kafka, Einstein, Luria, and Hanna Arendt - their contributions are cordially welcome. These people are a glory of humanity.
    It is the obnoxious aspirations of the petty ones that want to get the earthly comforts but any means, while pushing their elbows against everybody else, which is so ugly. It was not a tribal Jewish solidarity that created Ludwig Wittgenstein and Grigory Perelman - it was the laborious search for truth and beauty, in the context of a flourishing civilization that was not in any sense a Jewish civilization. But try to explain this to the petty minds of self-"chosen."
    There are hilarious stories coming from Israel about the sense of cultural superiority flowing freely from the former Soviets (the "Russians") living among "others" in Israel. They just cannot help themselves.
    , @Sam Shama
    Peddling the usual tartuffery mixed with jealousy and rage?

    Do you realise how pathetically transparent your projections are? You are Italian, the ones which H.S. Chamberlain and Gobineau, among the star cast of the Hitler-inspiration circle, considered,

    half-breed Latins of the Mediterranean – ”a chaos of peoples,” Chamberlain called them. The Germans alone deserved ... a splendid heritage.

    Once more, one feral Jew, Gil Eyal, writes something only a stupid feral would, yet ineluctably helps make your asinine points. Don't you think you'd be better off seconding the aid of some Aryan brigade? I hear the incarceration facilities are well-stocked with them.

    BTW, those "Aryans" you so desperately want to club with, also thought the only two legatees of "pure race" [LOL] for Roman law were the Jews and Germans!

    My dear man, you need a rest cure.

    , @Incitatus

    “What troubles Jews most profoundly — the implacable, inescapable basis for the persistent charge of “antisemite,” is that Jews are Semitic.
    They are not Western. They are not Aryan.”
     
    S2C, how wonderful you’re still posting! Which S2C are you (I count at least three distinct posting styles in the past, but who knows)? Same person with different meds? New persons with the old screen name?

    In any case, I always enjoy your posts. Remarkably articulate, though they usually lead to obscure neo-Nazi rabbit holes. Doubtless that's the plan. I congratulate you (i.e. all of you).

    I’m tempted to say ‘Peace’ or some such other passive-aggressive nonsense. Talha take note - you never responded to my question about Salifis vs Wahhabi support for the Sauds. Ever been to Mekka, Talha?

    S2C? What can one say? Still waging war for the führer? Each of you? Amazing.
  121. @Seraphim
    I was waiting for the moment when the evacuation of the Jews from the Western parts of the SU would be transformed in 'deportation', conveniently forgetting their own admissions.
    Thus on the 2nd of July 1943 the Jewish Telegraphic Agency announced:

    “Russia has saved over ten times as many Jews from Nazi extermination as all the rest of the world put together,” James N. Rosenberg, American Jewish leader, declared here today in an address of welcome which he delivered at a reception given at the Astor Hotel to Solomon Mikhoels and Itzik Feffer, the Jewish cultural delegation from Russia. The reception was attended by several hundred representatives of various Jewish organizations.
    Emphasizing that he based his estimate of those saved on facts gathered by the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, Mr. Rosenberg quoted the organization’s journal as reporting that “of some 1,750,000 Jews who succeeded in escaping the Axis since the outbreak of hostilities, about 1,600,000 were evacuated by the Soviet Government from Eastern Poland and subsequently occupied Soviet territory and transported far into the Russian interior and beyond the Urals. About 150,000 others managed to reach Palestine, the United States, and other countries beyond the seas.”
    “We Jews,” Mr. Rosenberg said, “rightly give thanks for the innumerable resolutions of sympathy for Jews, adopted by well-meaning men and groups horrified by the hideous tragedy which has befallen our people. Russia has chosen deeds. She has given life, asylum, bread, and shelter to a vast Jewish population. These facts are not sufficiently known. To make them known to every Jew in this country is a task of supreme importance for the Jewish Council for Russian War Relief. Need I ask what would have happened to those Jews had Russia left them where they were?”

    And after the war, according to Louis Levine, President of the American Jewish Council for Russian Relief, who made a post-war tour of the Soviet Union and submitted a report on the status of Jews there, the majority of these numbers were evacuated east after the German armies launched their invasion. In Chicago, on October 30th, 1946, he declared that: "At the outset of the War, Jews were amongst those first evacuated from the regions threatened by the Hitlerite invaders, and shipped to safty east of the Urals. TWO MILLION were thus saved"!

    I also red somewhere that all this Esther crap was about that which tribe will collect the taxes.

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  122. @SolontoCroesus

    "At the end of every Hebrew sentence that you utter,
    There sits an Arab, smoking his hookah.
    Even if it began in Siberia,
    Or in Hollywood, with Hava Nagilah."

    -Me'ir Ariel
    in "The Disenchantment of the Orient," by Gil Eyal
     

    What troubles Jews most profoundly -- the implacable, inescapable basis for the persistent charge of "antisemite," is that Jews are Semitic.
    They are not Western. They are not Aryan.
    They are kissing cousins with those filthy Arabs, sucking on their hookahs, and they can't stand it.
    Yossi Alpher told Bruce Reidel in a talk at Brookings that "every Israeli wants to be understood as legitimate heirs to the Persian empire, having the same ancient lineage and legacy."

    The best thing that ever happened to Hebrews was their inclusion in the Persian empire, where they learned how to walk upright and to write, think, and engage in commerce. It took a year of intense tutelage and makeover for Esther to measure up to Persian standards.

    Jews reject passionately their real identity as Semites from Ur, while they seek, neurotically and destructively, to recreate themselves in the identity of those whom they perceive to be of greater accomplishment and quality than they. A tragedy.

    “…they seek … to recreate themselves in the identity of those whom they perceive to be of greater accomplishment and quality than they. A tragedy.”
    No, there is no tragedy. A passionate acceptance of a superior civilization and the talented contributions to this civilization are wonderful for the humanity at large. Whether the Maimonides, or Spinoza, Mahler, Kafka, Einstein, Luria, and Hanna Arendt – their contributions are cordially welcome. These people are a glory of humanity.
    It is the obnoxious aspirations of the petty ones that want to get the earthly comforts but any means, while pushing their elbows against everybody else, which is so ugly. It was not a tribal Jewish solidarity that created Ludwig Wittgenstein and Grigory Perelman – it was the laborious search for truth and beauty, in the context of a flourishing civilization that was not in any sense a Jewish civilization. But try to explain this to the petty minds of self-”chosen.”
    There are hilarious stories coming from Israel about the sense of cultural superiority flowing freely from the former Soviets (the “Russians”) living among “others” in Israel. They just cannot help themselves.

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    • Replies: @Seraphim
    The real problem of the Jews (Semites or not) is that they have rejected, and continue to reject the returned Holy Spirit brought back by Jesus Christ. With the death of the later prophets Haggai, Zechariah and Malachi prophecy ended and the Holy Spirit was quenched among the Jews "because of the sins of Israel". It returned with John the Baptist and the Prophet greater than him, Jesus Christ (prophesied already by Moses). "Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, returned from the Jordan and was led by the Spirit in the desert."(Luke 4:1)

    Rejection of the Christ is then a rejection of the Spirit, the sin against the Life Giving Holy Spirit which will not be forgiven:
    Matthew 12:30-32: "Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters. And so I tell you, people will be forgiven every sin and blasphemy. But the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come."
    Mark 3:28-30: "Truly I tell you, all sins and blasphemes will be forgiven for the sons of men. But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven, but is guilty of an eternal sin. He said this because they [the Pharisees] were saying, ‘He has an evil spirit’."
    Luke 12:8-10: "I tell you, whoever acknowledges me before men, the Son of Man will also acknowledge him before the angels of God. But he who disowns me before men will be disowned before the angels of God. And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven."
  123. @Sherman
    Hey Genius

    There's nothing "sad" about Judaism.

    In fact, Jews are quite happy.

    Just yesterday Intel agreed to purchase Israeli company Mobileye for $15B.

    I'm sure this made Israelis happy and it made me happy as I own Mobileye stock and it skyrocketed yesterday.

    The question is are YOU happy? I'm sure PORK and beans make you happy!

    Sherm

    I’m sure PORK and beans make you happy!

    Getting PORKED! Makes Art a happy lad who forgets about Jews for a few minutes.

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    • Replies: @Anon
    Keith says:


    "A happy lad who forgets about Jews for a few minutes".

    Clyde did you forget for a few minutes the title of Israel Shamir's post?

    The sickening headache Art and the rest of us have is the Jews never want us to forget about Jews.

    The famous slogan: "Never forget" is etched in everyone's brains.

    No, please.... not another Oscar nominated Holocaust movie. Please... no more
    "Evil NAZI" 24/7 rerun episodes on the Zio History Channel every time the UN condemns Israel's
    genocide of the Palestinians. I wish our treasonous politicians would stop pledging support to
    our best ally, the Apartheid state Israel, and stop saying they share the same democratic values as Americans.

    The Jews in Israel are committing war crimes in my name... in every American's name.
    War crimes they hung Germans for at Nuremberg.

    I wish I could forget about Jew for just a few minutes, but our Zio main stream media just won't let me.

    3.8 billions of our hard earned American tax dollars given to Israel yearly. A wealthy country, while America has a 21 trillion debt.... and Clyde you want non Jews to forget about Jews.
    Americans are getting PORKED by Israel and "the lobby" AIPAC.

    This post "Purim Gifts" is about Jews over two thousand years ago, and
    Clyde you expect us to forget about Jews in a post about Jews. What are you smoking?

    The failure of the Zionist movement is to blame for the prevalent Jewish obsession (The Jewish Question).

    The Zionists failed since the late 1890s to get all the diaspora Jews to make Aliya and the Transfer Agreement wasn't successful in facilitating the European Jewish Aliya.

    The only option left to remedy the "Jewish Question" is for the Empire to do what the Romans did in 70AD. Maybe this is why Kissinger stated that Israel will not survive another 20 years.

    This is the warning message Putin gave to Netanyahu.

    Netanyahu didn't want Putin to forget about the Jews in the mythology story of Purim, and
    Putin didn't want Netanyahu forget about the History of the destruction of the Jews in 70AD.

    I hope I get to see this message realized in my life time, so I could live in peace and forget about Jews for just a few minutes.
  124. @annamaria
    "...they seek ... to recreate themselves in the identity of those whom they perceive to be of greater accomplishment and quality than they. A tragedy."
    No, there is no tragedy. A passionate acceptance of a superior civilization and the talented contributions to this civilization are wonderful for the humanity at large. Whether the Maimonides, or Spinoza, Mahler, Kafka, Einstein, Luria, and Hanna Arendt - their contributions are cordially welcome. These people are a glory of humanity.
    It is the obnoxious aspirations of the petty ones that want to get the earthly comforts but any means, while pushing their elbows against everybody else, which is so ugly. It was not a tribal Jewish solidarity that created Ludwig Wittgenstein and Grigory Perelman - it was the laborious search for truth and beauty, in the context of a flourishing civilization that was not in any sense a Jewish civilization. But try to explain this to the petty minds of self-"chosen."
    There are hilarious stories coming from Israel about the sense of cultural superiority flowing freely from the former Soviets (the "Russians") living among "others" in Israel. They just cannot help themselves.

    The real problem of the Jews (Semites or not) is that they have rejected, and continue to reject the returned Holy Spirit brought back by Jesus Christ. With the death of the later prophets Haggai, Zechariah and Malachi prophecy ended and the Holy Spirit was quenched among the Jews “because of the sins of Israel”. It returned with John the Baptist and the Prophet greater than him, Jesus Christ (prophesied already by Moses). “Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, returned from the Jordan and was led by the Spirit in the desert.”(Luke 4:1)

    Rejection of the Christ is then a rejection of the Spirit, the sin against the Life Giving Holy Spirit which will not be forgiven:
    Matthew 12:30-32: “Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters. And so I tell you, people will be forgiven every sin and blasphemy. But the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.”
    Mark 3:28-30: “Truly I tell you, all sins and blasphemes will be forgiven for the sons of men. But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven, but is guilty of an eternal sin. He said this because they [the Pharisees] were saying, ‘He has an evil spirit’.”
    Luke 12:8-10: “I tell you, whoever acknowledges me before men, the Son of Man will also acknowledge him before the angels of God. But he who disowns me before men will be disowned before the angels of God. And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.”

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  125. anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven

    Uh-oh.

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    • Replies: @Seraphim
    It looks like you made your choice already. I feel sorry for you and everyone in the same situation. Hell is not a comfortable place.
  126. @SolontoCroesus

    "At the end of every Hebrew sentence that you utter,
    There sits an Arab, smoking his hookah.
    Even if it began in Siberia,
    Or in Hollywood, with Hava Nagilah."

    -Me'ir Ariel
    in "The Disenchantment of the Orient," by Gil Eyal
     

    What troubles Jews most profoundly -- the implacable, inescapable basis for the persistent charge of "antisemite," is that Jews are Semitic.
    They are not Western. They are not Aryan.
    They are kissing cousins with those filthy Arabs, sucking on their hookahs, and they can't stand it.
    Yossi Alpher told Bruce Reidel in a talk at Brookings that "every Israeli wants to be understood as legitimate heirs to the Persian empire, having the same ancient lineage and legacy."

    The best thing that ever happened to Hebrews was their inclusion in the Persian empire, where they learned how to walk upright and to write, think, and engage in commerce. It took a year of intense tutelage and makeover for Esther to measure up to Persian standards.

    Jews reject passionately their real identity as Semites from Ur, while they seek, neurotically and destructively, to recreate themselves in the identity of those whom they perceive to be of greater accomplishment and quality than they. A tragedy.

    Peddling the usual tartuffery mixed with jealousy and rage?

    Do you realise how pathetically transparent your projections are? You are Italian, the ones which H.S. Chamberlain and Gobineau, among the star cast of the Hitler-inspiration circle, considered,

    half-breed Latins of the Mediterranean – ”a chaos of peoples,” Chamberlain called them. The Germans alone deserved … a splendid heritage.

    Once more, one feral Jew, Gil Eyal, writes something only a stupid feral would, yet ineluctably helps make your asinine points. Don’t you think you’d be better off seconding the aid of some Aryan brigade? I hear the incarceration facilities are well-stocked with them.

    BTW, those “Aryans” you so desperately want to club with, also thought the only two legatees of “pure race” [LOL] for Roman law were the Jews and Germans!

    My dear man, you need a rest cure.

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    • LOL: SolontoCroesus
    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    Horse-laugh, or argument-by-ridicule, is, of course, not a sound form of argument: it fails to grapple with the core of the claims and evidence.
    My apologies for intellectual sloppiness.

    Sam's sad response likewise failed to address the core claims made but instead attacked the author -- a "feral Jew;" introduced off-topic and out-of-context material to insult the adversary; devolved to basic (base) name-calling.

    Perhaps when one has no effective refutation, one grabs whatever comes natural from the bag of (cheap) tricks.

  127. poor Sam.

    (n.b. I’d’ve preferred to emoti-react, Tee Hee. It strikes a more appropriately nuanced note than LOL, don’t you think?)

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  128. @iffen
    anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven

    Uh-oh.

    It looks like you made your choice already. I feel sorry for you and everyone in the same situation. Hell is not a comfortable place.

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    • Replies: @iffen
    Thanks. That is decent of you.

    Maybe he will consider a new update and forget about all this Hell business.
  129. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Clyde
    I’m sure PORK and beans make you happy!

    Getting PORKED! Makes Art a happy lad who forgets about Jews for a few minutes.

    Keith says:

    “A happy lad who forgets about Jews for a few minutes”.

    Clyde did you forget for a few minutes the title of Israel Shamir’s post?

    The sickening headache Art and the rest of us have is the Jews never want us to forget about Jews.

    The famous slogan: “Never forget” is etched in everyone’s brains.

    No, please…. not another Oscar nominated Holocaust movie. Please… no more
    “Evil NAZI” 24/7 rerun episodes on the Zio History Channel every time the UN condemns Israel’s
    genocide of the Palestinians. I wish our treasonous politicians would stop pledging support to
    our best ally, the Apartheid state Israel, and stop saying they share the same democratic values as Americans.

    The Jews in Israel are committing war crimes in my name… in every American’s name.
    War crimes they hung Germans for at Nuremberg.

    I wish I could forget about Jew for just a few minutes, but our Zio main stream media just won’t let me.

    3.8 billions of our hard earned American tax dollars given to Israel yearly. A wealthy country, while America has a 21 trillion debt…. and Clyde you want non Jews to forget about Jews.
    Americans are getting PORKED by Israel and “the lobby” AIPAC.

    This post “Purim Gifts” is about Jews over two thousand years ago, and
    Clyde you expect us to forget about Jews in a post about Jews. What are you smoking?

    The failure of the Zionist movement is to blame for the prevalent Jewish obsession (The Jewish Question).

    The Zionists failed since the late 1890s to get all the diaspora Jews to make Aliya and the Transfer Agreement wasn’t successful in facilitating the European Jewish Aliya.

    The only option left to remedy the “Jewish Question” is for the Empire to do what the Romans did in 70AD. Maybe this is why Kissinger stated that Israel will not survive another 20 years.

    This is the warning message Putin gave to Netanyahu.

    Netanyahu didn’t want Putin to forget about the Jews in the mythology story of Purim, and
    Putin didn’t want Netanyahu forget about the History of the destruction of the Jews in 70AD.

    I hope I get to see this message realized in my life time, so I could live in peace and forget about Jews for just a few minutes.

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    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
    "Kissinger stated that Israel will not survive another 20 years."

    Hey anon (Keith),

    Evidently Kissinger stated such, above, but perhaps by strategic design?

    I for one believe that such pessimism does not fly with long-term Master Zionist planners.

    Doubtless, the U.S.A. is the valuable Zionist "Base of Operation" (B.O.O.) for now. They are educated to the fact of World Empires and their documented tendency to rise and fall.

    It's difficult for me to accept that Henry Kissinger has forgotten about Israel's uncanny ability to "adapt" to another powerful B.O.O. when the "kitchen gets too hot" for them to survive & prosper within.
    , @Chuck Orloski
    Hey anon (Keith,

    I forgot to make mention that Henry Kissinger was an instrumental adviser to R.M.N.'s world shaking opening with the Peoples Republic of China.

    My limited reading of history from this period suggests that the U.S. Joint Chief$ of Staff were not at all pleased with Nixon's such reasonable foreign policy.

    "Tricky Dick" did not survive in power, but by 1979, Chairman Deng Xiaoping began a great capitalist revival and started the amazing Chinese "Special Economic Zones."

    Guess what Goldman Sachs Group now wants to do in China?

    Cheers -- I must now do my p.M. school bus run.
  130. @Seraphim
    It looks like you made your choice already. I feel sorry for you and everyone in the same situation. Hell is not a comfortable place.

    Thanks. That is decent of you.

    Maybe he will consider a new update and forget about all this Hell business.

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    • Replies: @Seraphim
    Don't bet on it. Don't delude yourself, God's decrees are eternal.

    "So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, 50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth" (Matthew 13:49-50).

    "When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left... Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal" (Matthew 25:31-33, 41-46).

    "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. 7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death" (Revelation 21:6-8).
  131. @Sam Shama
    Peddling the usual tartuffery mixed with jealousy and rage?

    Do you realise how pathetically transparent your projections are? You are Italian, the ones which H.S. Chamberlain and Gobineau, among the star cast of the Hitler-inspiration circle, considered,

    half-breed Latins of the Mediterranean – ”a chaos of peoples,” Chamberlain called them. The Germans alone deserved ... a splendid heritage.

    Once more, one feral Jew, Gil Eyal, writes something only a stupid feral would, yet ineluctably helps make your asinine points. Don't you think you'd be better off seconding the aid of some Aryan brigade? I hear the incarceration facilities are well-stocked with them.

    BTW, those "Aryans" you so desperately want to club with, also thought the only two legatees of "pure race" [LOL] for Roman law were the Jews and Germans!

    My dear man, you need a rest cure.

    Horse-laugh, or argument-by-ridicule, is, of course, not a sound form of argument: it fails to grapple with the core of the claims and evidence.
    My apologies for intellectual sloppiness.

    Sam’s sad response likewise failed to address the core claims made but instead attacked the author — a “feral Jew;” introduced off-topic and out-of-context material to insult the adversary; devolved to basic (base) name-calling.

    Perhaps when one has no effective refutation, one grabs whatever comes natural from the bag of (cheap) tricks.

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    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    Projection is your strong, perhaps the only blunt instrument in your quiver, and it failed to go home I'm afraid. Perhaps you might look into your own reply to Karl, a few paragraphs' worth of wasted pixels, not remotely relevant as a response to the original post. You write often and un-contextually about Jews and their Semitic roots as if any Jew would strive to conceal it; you write often of Aryans, betraying a deep yearning to have been noted a scion of that 'lineage'; epic fails on all counts.

    You claim I insult you when I merely recall the words of Hitler's forebearers setting firmly in place the provenance of the 'chaotic Latins'; words to remember when you wax poetic on the marvels of the 'Aryan', and the denigration of Semites and 'lesser' races.

    No tricks in those observations.

  132. @iffen
    Thanks. That is decent of you.

    Maybe he will consider a new update and forget about all this Hell business.

    Don’t bet on it. Don’t delude yourself, God’s decrees are eternal.

    “So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, 50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth” (Matthew 13:49-50).

    “When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left… Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal” (Matthew 25:31-33, 41-46).

    “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. 7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death” (Revelation 21:6-8).

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    • Replies: @iffen
    We have previously exhausted this argument.

    Any and all Christians accept, implicitly or explicitly, the idea that God does updates. One's particular denomination determines which update you believe to be "The Correct One."
  133. @Seraphim
    Don't bet on it. Don't delude yourself, God's decrees are eternal.

    "So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, 50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth" (Matthew 13:49-50).

    "When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left... Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal" (Matthew 25:31-33, 41-46).

    "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. 7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death" (Revelation 21:6-8).

    We have previously exhausted this argument.

    Any and all Christians accept, implicitly or explicitly, the idea that God does updates. One’s particular denomination determines which update you believe to be “The Correct One.”

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    • Replies: @Seraphim
    In other words:
    "As you make your bed, so you must lie on it". Suit yourself.
  134. @SolontoCroesus
    Horse-laugh, or argument-by-ridicule, is, of course, not a sound form of argument: it fails to grapple with the core of the claims and evidence.
    My apologies for intellectual sloppiness.

    Sam's sad response likewise failed to address the core claims made but instead attacked the author -- a "feral Jew;" introduced off-topic and out-of-context material to insult the adversary; devolved to basic (base) name-calling.

    Perhaps when one has no effective refutation, one grabs whatever comes natural from the bag of (cheap) tricks.

    Projection is your strong, perhaps the only blunt instrument in your quiver, and it failed to go home I’m afraid. Perhaps you might look into your own reply to Karl, a few paragraphs’ worth of wasted pixels, not remotely relevant as a response to the original post. You write often and un-contextually about Jews and their Semitic roots as if any Jew would strive to conceal it; you write often of Aryans, betraying a deep yearning to have been noted a scion of that ‘lineage’; epic fails on all counts.

    You claim I insult you when I merely recall the words of Hitler’s forebearers setting firmly in place the provenance of the ‘chaotic Latins’; words to remember when you wax poetic on the marvels of the ‘Aryan’, and the denigration of Semites and ‘lesser’ races.

    No tricks in those observations.

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  135. @Anon
    Keith says:


    "A happy lad who forgets about Jews for a few minutes".

    Clyde did you forget for a few minutes the title of Israel Shamir's post?

    The sickening headache Art and the rest of us have is the Jews never want us to forget about Jews.

    The famous slogan: "Never forget" is etched in everyone's brains.

    No, please.... not another Oscar nominated Holocaust movie. Please... no more
    "Evil NAZI" 24/7 rerun episodes on the Zio History Channel every time the UN condemns Israel's
    genocide of the Palestinians. I wish our treasonous politicians would stop pledging support to
    our best ally, the Apartheid state Israel, and stop saying they share the same democratic values as Americans.

    The Jews in Israel are committing war crimes in my name... in every American's name.
    War crimes they hung Germans for at Nuremberg.

    I wish I could forget about Jew for just a few minutes, but our Zio main stream media just won't let me.

    3.8 billions of our hard earned American tax dollars given to Israel yearly. A wealthy country, while America has a 21 trillion debt.... and Clyde you want non Jews to forget about Jews.
    Americans are getting PORKED by Israel and "the lobby" AIPAC.

    This post "Purim Gifts" is about Jews over two thousand years ago, and
    Clyde you expect us to forget about Jews in a post about Jews. What are you smoking?

    The failure of the Zionist movement is to blame for the prevalent Jewish obsession (The Jewish Question).

    The Zionists failed since the late 1890s to get all the diaspora Jews to make Aliya and the Transfer Agreement wasn't successful in facilitating the European Jewish Aliya.

    The only option left to remedy the "Jewish Question" is for the Empire to do what the Romans did in 70AD. Maybe this is why Kissinger stated that Israel will not survive another 20 years.

    This is the warning message Putin gave to Netanyahu.

    Netanyahu didn't want Putin to forget about the Jews in the mythology story of Purim, and
    Putin didn't want Netanyahu forget about the History of the destruction of the Jews in 70AD.

    I hope I get to see this message realized in my life time, so I could live in peace and forget about Jews for just a few minutes.

    “Kissinger stated that Israel will not survive another 20 years.”

    Hey anon (Keith),

    Evidently Kissinger stated such, above, but perhaps by strategic design?

    I for one believe that such pessimism does not fly with long-term Master Zionist planners.

    Doubtless, the U.S.A. is the valuable Zionist “Base of Operation” (B.O.O.) for now. They are educated to the fact of World Empires and their documented tendency to rise and fall.

    It’s difficult for me to accept that Henry Kissinger has forgotten about Israel’s uncanny ability to “adapt” to another powerful B.O.O. when the “kitchen gets too hot” for them to survive & prosper within.

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  136. @Anon
    Keith says:


    "A happy lad who forgets about Jews for a few minutes".

    Clyde did you forget for a few minutes the title of Israel Shamir's post?

    The sickening headache Art and the rest of us have is the Jews never want us to forget about Jews.

    The famous slogan: "Never forget" is etched in everyone's brains.

    No, please.... not another Oscar nominated Holocaust movie. Please... no more
    "Evil NAZI" 24/7 rerun episodes on the Zio History Channel every time the UN condemns Israel's
    genocide of the Palestinians. I wish our treasonous politicians would stop pledging support to
    our best ally, the Apartheid state Israel, and stop saying they share the same democratic values as Americans.

    The Jews in Israel are committing war crimes in my name... in every American's name.
    War crimes they hung Germans for at Nuremberg.

    I wish I could forget about Jew for just a few minutes, but our Zio main stream media just won't let me.

    3.8 billions of our hard earned American tax dollars given to Israel yearly. A wealthy country, while America has a 21 trillion debt.... and Clyde you want non Jews to forget about Jews.
    Americans are getting PORKED by Israel and "the lobby" AIPAC.

    This post "Purim Gifts" is about Jews over two thousand years ago, and
    Clyde you expect us to forget about Jews in a post about Jews. What are you smoking?

    The failure of the Zionist movement is to blame for the prevalent Jewish obsession (The Jewish Question).

    The Zionists failed since the late 1890s to get all the diaspora Jews to make Aliya and the Transfer Agreement wasn't successful in facilitating the European Jewish Aliya.

    The only option left to remedy the "Jewish Question" is for the Empire to do what the Romans did in 70AD. Maybe this is why Kissinger stated that Israel will not survive another 20 years.

    This is the warning message Putin gave to Netanyahu.

    Netanyahu didn't want Putin to forget about the Jews in the mythology story of Purim, and
    Putin didn't want Netanyahu forget about the History of the destruction of the Jews in 70AD.

    I hope I get to see this message realized in my life time, so I could live in peace and forget about Jews for just a few minutes.

    Hey anon (Keith,

    I forgot to make mention that Henry Kissinger was an instrumental adviser to R.M.N.’s world shaking opening with the Peoples Republic of China.

    My limited reading of history from this period suggests that the U.S. Joint Chief$ of Staff were not at all pleased with Nixon’s such reasonable foreign policy.

    “Tricky Dick” did not survive in power, but by 1979, Chairman Deng Xiaoping began a great capitalist revival and started the amazing Chinese “Special Economic Zones.”

    Guess what Goldman Sachs Group now wants to do in China?

    Cheers — I must now do my p.M. school bus run.

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    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
    Q. "Guess what Goldman Sachs Group now wants to do with China?"

    Hey Chuck O.,

    I know the answer!

    The Goldman Sachs Group's business plan is to replace the withering U.S.A. with China as the world's largest "consumer" society. Reference Wall Street Journal; February 2017.

    F.Y.I.,Chuck O.: Since 1979, 38-years have passed since the P.R.C. government promulgated the "One-Child Policy" for families. Untold stories of how many Chinese female babies were aborted in order to keep families compliant with the law which was designed to thwart population growth. As a result, within the next ten years, India is projected to become the most populous nation on Earth were

    Thanks!

    Chuck Orloski
  137. @Chuck Orloski
    Hey anon (Keith,

    I forgot to make mention that Henry Kissinger was an instrumental adviser to R.M.N.'s world shaking opening with the Peoples Republic of China.

    My limited reading of history from this period suggests that the U.S. Joint Chief$ of Staff were not at all pleased with Nixon's such reasonable foreign policy.

    "Tricky Dick" did not survive in power, but by 1979, Chairman Deng Xiaoping began a great capitalist revival and started the amazing Chinese "Special Economic Zones."

    Guess what Goldman Sachs Group now wants to do in China?

    Cheers -- I must now do my p.M. school bus run.

    Q. “Guess what Goldman Sachs Group now wants to do with China?”

    Hey Chuck O.,

    I know the answer!

    The Goldman Sachs Group’s business plan is to replace the withering U.S.A. with China as the world’s largest “consumer” society. Reference Wall Street Journal; February 2017.

    F.Y.I.,Chuck O.: Since 1979, 38-years have passed since the P.R.C. government promulgated the “One-Child Policy” for families. Untold stories of how many Chinese female babies were aborted in order to keep families compliant with the law which was designed to thwart population growth. As a result, within the next ten years, India is projected to become the most populous nation on Earth were

    Thanks!

    Chuck Orloski

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    ????

    Looks like either you have gone off your rocker or having difficulty juggling multiple handles.
  138. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Chuck Orloski
    Q. "Guess what Goldman Sachs Group now wants to do with China?"

    Hey Chuck O.,

    I know the answer!

    The Goldman Sachs Group's business plan is to replace the withering U.S.A. with China as the world's largest "consumer" society. Reference Wall Street Journal; February 2017.

    F.Y.I.,Chuck O.: Since 1979, 38-years have passed since the P.R.C. government promulgated the "One-Child Policy" for families. Untold stories of how many Chinese female babies were aborted in order to keep families compliant with the law which was designed to thwart population growth. As a result, within the next ten years, India is projected to become the most populous nation on Earth were

    Thanks!

    Chuck Orloski

    ????

    Looks like either you have gone off your rocker or having difficulty juggling multiple handles.

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    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
    "????"

    Dear anon,

    No one is safe from going off rocker! Admittedly, engineered national-political "cognitive dissonance" has taken a toll on me.

    Thanks for the "heads up!"
  139. @SolontoCroesus

    "At the end of every Hebrew sentence that you utter,
    There sits an Arab, smoking his hookah.
    Even if it began in Siberia,
    Or in Hollywood, with Hava Nagilah."

    -Me'ir Ariel
    in "The Disenchantment of the Orient," by Gil Eyal
     

    What troubles Jews most profoundly -- the implacable, inescapable basis for the persistent charge of "antisemite," is that Jews are Semitic.
    They are not Western. They are not Aryan.
    They are kissing cousins with those filthy Arabs, sucking on their hookahs, and they can't stand it.
    Yossi Alpher told Bruce Reidel in a talk at Brookings that "every Israeli wants to be understood as legitimate heirs to the Persian empire, having the same ancient lineage and legacy."

    The best thing that ever happened to Hebrews was their inclusion in the Persian empire, where they learned how to walk upright and to write, think, and engage in commerce. It took a year of intense tutelage and makeover for Esther to measure up to Persian standards.

    Jews reject passionately their real identity as Semites from Ur, while they seek, neurotically and destructively, to recreate themselves in the identity of those whom they perceive to be of greater accomplishment and quality than they. A tragedy.

    “What troubles Jews most profoundly — the implacable, inescapable basis for the persistent charge of “antisemite,” is that Jews are Semitic.
    They are not Western. They are not Aryan.”

    S2C, how wonderful you’re still posting! Which S2C are you (I count at least three distinct posting styles in the past, but who knows)? Same person with different meds? New persons with the old screen name?

    In any case, I always enjoy your posts. Remarkably articulate, though they usually lead to obscure neo-Nazi rabbit holes. Doubtless that’s the plan. I congratulate you (i.e. all of you).

    I’m tempted to say ‘Peace’ or some such other passive-aggressive nonsense. Talha take note – you never responded to my question about Salifis vs Wahhabi support for the Sauds. Ever been to Mekka, Talha?

    S2C? What can one say? Still waging war for the führer? Each of you? Amazing.

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    • Replies: @iffen
    obscure neo-Nazi rabbit holes.

    What other kind is there?

    Neo-Nazi ones, not rabbit holes in general, you know what I mean.

    , @Talha
    Incitatus - welcome back bro! Missed your commenting. Just saw some on Mr. Giraldi's article.

    Sorry, I didn't interpret that last post as a question - was it?:
    http://www.unz.com/pbuchanan/the-real-existential-threats-of-2016/#comment-1538754

    There is both convergence and a split between the Wahhabis and Salafis - it gets complicated, but both of them are essentially reformists. The Sauds are supported by the old-guard Wahhabis who are basically politically quietist with respect to the rulers; they actually adhere to the traditional position that if the ruler is corrupt or oppressive, you leave them be as long as they don't prevent Muslims from practicing the religion - that's been the majority position for most of our history. The new guys that have splintered and gone the extremist route hate the Sauds with a passion. My brother traveled to Saudi once. He met some pretty hard-core Wahhabis there. One guy was always giving him 'Salafi dawah', but the man once criticized the kingdom and - bam! - disappeared.

    Many Salafis have never liked the concept of monarchy and such - I don't think any of the Middle Eastern monarchs get support from them. Though, if their numbers are large enough, they have to be accommodated to a degree.

    One wonders what the ME would have been like without so many of its monarchs deposed, like in Egypt, Libya, etc. Sometimes a properly arranged marriage between two sovereign families could do wonders for easing hostile relations.

    Yes, I have been blessed to make the Hajj. But this was before the Saudis tried to remake it into Disneyland, SA.

    Peace.
  140. @iffen
    We have previously exhausted this argument.

    Any and all Christians accept, implicitly or explicitly, the idea that God does updates. One's particular denomination determines which update you believe to be "The Correct One."

    In other words:
    “As you make your bed, so you must lie on it”. Suit yourself.

    Read More
  141. @Anonymous
    ????

    Looks like either you have gone off your rocker or having difficulty juggling multiple handles.

    “????”

    Dear anon,

    No one is safe from going off rocker! Admittedly, engineered national-political “cognitive dissonance” has taken a toll on me.

    Thanks for the “heads up!”

    Read More
  142. @Incitatus

    “What troubles Jews most profoundly — the implacable, inescapable basis for the persistent charge of “antisemite,” is that Jews are Semitic.
    They are not Western. They are not Aryan.”
     
    S2C, how wonderful you’re still posting! Which S2C are you (I count at least three distinct posting styles in the past, but who knows)? Same person with different meds? New persons with the old screen name?

    In any case, I always enjoy your posts. Remarkably articulate, though they usually lead to obscure neo-Nazi rabbit holes. Doubtless that's the plan. I congratulate you (i.e. all of you).

    I’m tempted to say ‘Peace’ or some such other passive-aggressive nonsense. Talha take note - you never responded to my question about Salifis vs Wahhabi support for the Sauds. Ever been to Mekka, Talha?

    S2C? What can one say? Still waging war for the führer? Each of you? Amazing.

    obscure neo-Nazi rabbit holes.

    What other kind is there?

    Neo-Nazi ones, not rabbit holes in general, you know what I mean.

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    “What other kind is there?”
     
    Point taken. Though other animal lairs ( nests?) also come to mind.

    Hello iffen!
  143. @iffen
    obscure neo-Nazi rabbit holes.

    What other kind is there?

    Neo-Nazi ones, not rabbit holes in general, you know what I mean.

    “What other kind is there?”

    Point taken. Though other animal lairs ( nests?) also come to mind.

    Hello iffen!

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  144. […] Iran in Syria. From Russian commentaries, it appears he got a short shrift in the Kremlin. (Read a hilarious piece, here, by Israel Shamir.) One likelihood is that Netanyahu showed irritation over the snub. By the way, Liberman is an […]

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  145. […] Iran in Syria. From Russian commentaries, it appears he got a short shrift in the Kremlin. (Read a hilarious piece, here, by Israel Shamir.) One likelihood is that Netanyahu showed irritation over the snub. By the way, Liberman is an […]

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  146. @Incitatus

    “What troubles Jews most profoundly — the implacable, inescapable basis for the persistent charge of “antisemite,” is that Jews are Semitic.
    They are not Western. They are not Aryan.”
     
    S2C, how wonderful you’re still posting! Which S2C are you (I count at least three distinct posting styles in the past, but who knows)? Same person with different meds? New persons with the old screen name?

    In any case, I always enjoy your posts. Remarkably articulate, though they usually lead to obscure neo-Nazi rabbit holes. Doubtless that's the plan. I congratulate you (i.e. all of you).

    I’m tempted to say ‘Peace’ or some such other passive-aggressive nonsense. Talha take note - you never responded to my question about Salifis vs Wahhabi support for the Sauds. Ever been to Mekka, Talha?

    S2C? What can one say? Still waging war for the führer? Each of you? Amazing.

    Incitatus – welcome back bro! Missed your commenting. Just saw some on Mr. Giraldi’s article.

    Sorry, I didn’t interpret that last post as a question – was it?:
    http://www.unz.com/pbuchanan/the-real-existential-threats-of-2016/#comment-1538754

    There is both convergence and a split between the Wahhabis and Salafis – it gets complicated, but both of them are essentially reformists. The Sauds are supported by the old-guard Wahhabis who are basically politically quietist with respect to the rulers; they actually adhere to the traditional position that if the ruler is corrupt or oppressive, you leave them be as long as they don’t prevent Muslims from practicing the religion – that’s been the majority position for most of our history. The new guys that have splintered and gone the extremist route hate the Sauds with a passion. My brother traveled to Saudi once. He met some pretty hard-core Wahhabis there. One guy was always giving him ‘Salafi dawah’, but the man once criticized the kingdom and – bam! – disappeared.

    Many Salafis have never liked the concept of monarchy and such – I don’t think any of the Middle Eastern monarchs get support from them. Though, if their numbers are large enough, they have to be accommodated to a degree.

    One wonders what the ME would have been like without so many of its monarchs deposed, like in Egypt, Libya, etc. Sometimes a properly arranged marriage between two sovereign families could do wonders for easing hostile relations.

    Yes, I have been blessed to make the Hajj. But this was before the Saudis tried to remake it into Disneyland, SA.

    Peace.

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    Talha,

    Thanks for your kind words and interesting reply. Lawrence Wright’s ‘Looming Tower’ aptly describes early Salafism, but doesn’t deeply explore ibn Abd al-Wahhab, his descendants and followers. Salafists direct their ire at the Sauds, but one hears little of their regard - good or bad - for rival clerics.

    Early Calvinists seem more confrontational, with the Affaire des Placards (1534) and vandalism of many fine cathedrals. Interesting to consider reform that didn’t bring violence. The Cistercians? Their abbey churches, free of ornament and statuary, are sublime.

    The discretion between Wahhabis and Sauds you describe seems a reasonable partnership. Each tending their own garden, so to speak. In the early 80s the religious police were ubiquitous, usually appearing at prayer time, closing shops and chasing late worshipers with canes. They drove around in distinctive police cars complete with bubble-bar roof lights and sirens. I always wondered how that would work in the US, but can’t quite picture uniformed clerical police cruising American streets. When I returned in the 90s they weren’t nearly as visible.

    I spent a Friday wandering about Diriyah - it was neglected, the mud walls slowly melting away. I’ve heard it’s been restored into an attraction like Colonial Williamsburg, but haven’t been back. Judging recent photographs, you’re right about “Disneyland S.A.”

    “Sometimes a properly arranged marriage between two sovereign families could do wonders for easing hostile relations.”
     
    Absolutely true. It’s the same in European genealogy. Amazing the number of rival houses related when one gets back 30+ generations.

    All the best
  147. @Talha
    Incitatus - welcome back bro! Missed your commenting. Just saw some on Mr. Giraldi's article.

    Sorry, I didn't interpret that last post as a question - was it?:
    http://www.unz.com/pbuchanan/the-real-existential-threats-of-2016/#comment-1538754

    There is both convergence and a split between the Wahhabis and Salafis - it gets complicated, but both of them are essentially reformists. The Sauds are supported by the old-guard Wahhabis who are basically politically quietist with respect to the rulers; they actually adhere to the traditional position that if the ruler is corrupt or oppressive, you leave them be as long as they don't prevent Muslims from practicing the religion - that's been the majority position for most of our history. The new guys that have splintered and gone the extremist route hate the Sauds with a passion. My brother traveled to Saudi once. He met some pretty hard-core Wahhabis there. One guy was always giving him 'Salafi dawah', but the man once criticized the kingdom and - bam! - disappeared.

    Many Salafis have never liked the concept of monarchy and such - I don't think any of the Middle Eastern monarchs get support from them. Though, if their numbers are large enough, they have to be accommodated to a degree.

    One wonders what the ME would have been like without so many of its monarchs deposed, like in Egypt, Libya, etc. Sometimes a properly arranged marriage between two sovereign families could do wonders for easing hostile relations.

    Yes, I have been blessed to make the Hajj. But this was before the Saudis tried to remake it into Disneyland, SA.

    Peace.

    Talha,

    Thanks for your kind words and interesting reply. Lawrence Wright’s ‘Looming Tower’ aptly describes early Salafism, but doesn’t deeply explore ibn Abd al-Wahhab, his descendants and followers. Salafists direct their ire at the Sauds, but one hears little of their regard – good or bad – for rival clerics.

    Early Calvinists seem more confrontational, with the Affaire des Placards (1534) and vandalism of many fine cathedrals. Interesting to consider reform that didn’t bring violence. The Cistercians? Their abbey churches, free of ornament and statuary, are sublime.

    The discretion between Wahhabis and Sauds you describe seems a reasonable partnership. Each tending their own garden, so to speak. In the early 80s the religious police were ubiquitous, usually appearing at prayer time, closing shops and chasing late worshipers with canes. They drove around in distinctive police cars complete with bubble-bar roof lights and sirens. I always wondered how that would work in the US, but can’t quite picture uniformed clerical police cruising American streets. When I returned in the 90s they weren’t nearly as visible.

    I spent a Friday wandering about Diriyah – it was neglected, the mud walls slowly melting away. I’ve heard it’s been restored into an attraction like Colonial Williamsburg, but haven’t been back. Judging recent photographs, you’re right about “Disneyland S.A.”

    “Sometimes a properly arranged marriage between two sovereign families could do wonders for easing hostile relations.”

    Absolutely true. It’s the same in European genealogy. Amazing the number of rival houses related when one gets back 30+ generations.

    All the best

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