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I am often asked if the US and Russia will go to war with each other. I always reply that they are already at war. Not a war like WWII, but a war nonetheless. This war is, at least for the time being, roughly 80% informational, 15% economic and 5% kinetic. But in political terms the outcome for the loser of this war will be no less dramatic than the outcome of WWII was for Germany: the losing country will not survive it, at least not in its present shape: either Russia will become a US colony again or the AngloZionist Empire will collapse.

In my very first column for the Unz Review entitled “A Tale of Two World Orders” I described the kind of multipolar international system regulated by the rule of law that Russia, China and their allies and friends worldwide (whether overt or covert) are trying to build and how dramatically different it was from the single World Hegemony that the AngloZionists have attempted to establish (and almost successfully imposed upon our suffering planet!). In a way, the US imperial leaders are right, Russia does represent an existential threat, not for the United States as a country or for its people, but for the AngloZionist Empire, just as the latter represents an existential threat to Russia. Furthermore, Russia represents a fundamental civilizational challenge to what is normally called the “West” as she openly rejects its post-Christian (and, I would add, also viscerally anti-Islamic) values. This is why both sides are making an immense effort at prevailing in this struggle.

Last week the anti-imperial camp scored a major victory with the meeting between Presidents Putin, Rouhani and Erdogan in Sochi: they declared themselves the guarantors of a peace plan which will end the war against the Syrian people (the so-called “civil war”, which this never was) and they did so without inviting the US to participate in the negotiations. Even worse, their final statement did not even mention the US, not once. The “indispensable nation” was seen as so irrelevant to even be mentioned.

To fully measure how offensive all this is we need to stress a number of points:

First, led by Obama, all the leaders of the West declared urbi et orbi and with immense confidence that Assad had no future, that he had to go, that he was already a political corpse and that he would have no role whatsoever to play in the future of Syria.

Second, the Empire created a “coalition” of 59 (!) countries, which failed to achieve anything, anything at all: a gigantic multi-billion dollar “gang that could not shoot straight” led by CENTCOM and NATO, which only proved its most abject incompetence. In contrast, Russia never had more than 35 combat aircraft in Syria at any time and turned the course of the war (with a lot of Iranian and Hezbollah help on the ground).

Next, the Empire decreed that Russia was “isolated” and her economy “in tatters” – all of which the Ziomedia parroted with total fidelity. Iran was, of course, part of the famous “Axis of Evil,” while Hezbollah was the “A-Team of terrorism”. As for Erdogan, the AngloZionists tried to overthrow and kill him. And now it is Russia, Iran, Hezbollah and Turkey who defeated the terrorists and will call the shots in Syria.

Finally, when the US realized that putting Daesh in power in Damascus was not going to happen, they first tried to break up Syria (Plan B) and then tried to create a Kurdish statelet in Iraq and Syria (Plan C). All these plans failed, Assad is in Russia giving hugs to Putin, while Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corp Quds Force Commander General Soleimani is taking a stroll through the last Syrian city to be liberated from Daesh.

Can you imagine how totally humiliated, ridiculed, and beaten the US leaders feel today? Being hated or resisted is one thing, but being totally ignored – now that hurts!

As for a strategy, the best they could come up with was what I would call a “petty harassment of Russia”: making RT sign up as a foreign agent, stealing ancient art from Russia, stripping Russian athletes from medals en masse, trying to ban the Russian flag and anthem from the Olympics in Seoul or banning Russian military aircraft from the next Farnborough airshow. And all these efforts have achieved is making Putin even more popular, the West even more hated, and the Olympics even more boring (ditto for Farnborough – the MAKS and the Dubai Air Shows are so much ‘sexier’ anyway). Oh, I almost forgot, the “new Europeans” will continue their mini-war against old Soviet statues to their liberators. It’s just like the US mini-war on the Russian representations in the US, a clear sign of weakness.

Speaking of weakness.

This is becoming comical. The US media, especially CNN, cannot let a day go by without mentioning the evil Russians, the US Congress is engaged in mass hysteria trying to figure out which of the Republicans and the Democrats have had more contacts with the Russians, NATO commanders are crapping their pants in abject terror (or so they say!) every time the Russian military organizes any exercise, the US Navy and Air Force representatives regularly whine about Russian pilots making “unprofessional intercepts”, the British Navy goes into full combat mode when a single (and rather modest) Russian aircraft carrier transits through the English Channel – but Russia is, supposedly, the “weak” country here.

Does that make sense to you?

The truth is that the Russians are laughing. From the Kremlin, to the media, to the social media – they are even make hilarious sketches about how almighty they are and how they control everything. But mostly the Russians are laughing their heads off wondering what in the world the folks in the West are smoking to be so totally terrified (at least officially) by a non-existing threat.

You know what else they are seeing?

ORDER IT NOW

That western political leaders are seeking safety in numbers. Hence the ridiculously bloated “coalitions” and all the resolutions coming out of various European and trans-Atlantic bodies. Western politicians are like schoolyard nerds who, fearing the tough kid, huddle together to look bigger. Every Russian kid knows that seeking safety in numbers is a surefire sign of a scared wimp. In contrast, the Russians also remember how a tiny nation of less than 2 million people had the courage to declare war on Russia and how they fought the Russians hard, really hard. I am talking about the Chechens of course. Yeah, love them or hate them – but there is no denying that Chechens are courageous. Ditto for the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan. The Russians were impressed. And even though the Nazis inflicted an unspeakable amount of suffering on the Russian people, the Russians never deny that the German soldiers and officers were skilled and courageous. There is even a Russian saying “I love/respect the courageous man in the Tatar/Mongol” (люблю молодца и в татарине). So Russians have no problem seeing courage in their enemies.

But US/NATO armies? They all act as if Conchita Wurst was their Commander in Chief!

Remember this:

YaltaMeeting

None of these man were kind or “nice” in any way. But they mattered. They were relevant. And they wielded some very real power.

Today, real power looks like this:

SochiMeeting

And you know what is really offensive to the AngloZionist leaders?

That this photo shows one Orthodox Christian and two Muslims.

Now that’s offensive. And very frightening, of course.

We are very, very far from the “birth of a new Middle East” promised by Condi Rice (it is a new Middle East alright, just not the one Rice and the Neocons had in mind!)

As for the “only democracy in the Middle East” it is now in full panic mode, hence its now overt plan to work with the Saudis against Iran and its clearly staged leaks about bombing all Iranian assets up to 40km from the Israeli border. But that train has already left the station: the Syrians won and no amount of airstrikes will change that. So just to make sure they still look really fierce, the Israelis are now adding that in case of a war between Israel and Hezbollah, Secretary General Hassan Nasrallah would be a target. Wow! Who would have thought?!

Can you hear the giggles coming out of Beirut?

The scary thing is that the folks in DC, Riyadh and Jerusalem hear them loud and clear which means that sooner or later they will have to do something about it and that “something” will be the usual nonsensical bloodbath this “Axis of Kindness” has been made famous for: if you can’t beat their military, make their civilians pay (think Kosovo 1999, Lebanon 2006, Yemen 2015). Either that or beat the shit out of a tiny, defenseless victim (Grenada 1983, Gaza 2008, Bahrain 2011). Nothing like a good massacre of defenseless civilians to make them feel manly, respected and powerful (and, for US Americans – “indispensable”, of course).

Setting aside the case of the Middle East, I think we can begin to see the outlines of what the US and Russia will be doing in the next couple of years.

Russia: the Russian strategy towards the Empire is simple:

  1. Try to avoid as much as possible and for as long as possible any direct military confrontation with the US because Russia is still the weaker side (mostly in quantitative terms). That, and actively preparing for war under the ancient si vis pacem para bellum strategy.
  2. Try to cope as best can be with all the “petty harassment”: the US still has infinitely more “soft power” than Russia and Russia simply does not have the means to strike back in kind. So she does the minimum to try to deter or weaken the effects of that kind of “petty harassment” but, in truth, there is not much she can do about it besides accepting it as a fact of life.
  3. Rather than trying to disengage from the AngloZionist controlled Empire (economically, financially, politically), Russia will very deliberately contribute to the gradual emergence of an alternative realm. A good example of that is the Chinese-promoted New Silk Road which is being built without any meaningful role for the Empire.

US: the US strategy is equally simple:

  1. Use the Russian “threat” to give a meaning and a purpose to the Empire, especially NATO.
  2. Continue and expand the “petty harassment” against Russia on all levels.
  3. Subvert and weaken as much as possible any country or politician showing any signs of independence or disobedience (including New Silk Road countries)

Both sides are using delaying tactics, but for diametrically opposite reasons: Russia, because time is on her side and the US, because they have run out of options.

It is important to stress here that in this struggle Russia is at a major disadvantage: whereas the Russians want to build something, the Americans only want to destroy it (examples include Syria, of course, but also the Ukraine or, for that matter, a united Europe). Another major disadvantage for Russia is that most governments out there as still afraid of antagonizing the Empire in any way, thus the deafening silence and supine submissiveness of the “concert of nations” when Uncle Sam goes on one of his usual rampages in total violation of international law and the UN Charter. This is probably changing, but very, very slowly. Most world politicians are just like US Congressmen: prostitutes (and cheap ones at that).

The biggest advantage for Russia is that the US are internally falling apart economically, socially, politically – you name it. With every passing year the once most prosperous United States are starting to look more and more like some backwater Third World country. Oh sure, the US economy is still huge (but rapidly shrinking!), but that is meaningless when financial wealth and social wealth are conflated into one completely misleading index of pseudo-prosperity. This is sad, really, a country that ought to be prosperous and happy is being bled to death by the, shall we say, “imperial parasite” feeding on it.

At the end of the day, political regimes can only survive by the consent of those they rule. In the United States this consent is clearly in the process of being withdrawn. In Russia it has never been stronger. This translates into a major fragility of the US and, therefore, the Empire (the US are by far the biggest host of the AngloZionist imperial parasite) and a major source of staying power for Russia.

All of the above applies only to political regimes, of course. The people of Russia and of the US have exactly the same interests: bringing down the Empire with the least amount of violence and suffering as possible. Like all Empires, the US Empire mostly abused others in its formative and peak years, but as any decaying Empire it is now mostly abusing its own people. It is therefore vital to always repeat that an “Empire-free US” would have no reason to see an enemy in Russia and vice-versa. In fact, Russia and the US could be ideal partners, but the “imperial parasites” will not allow that to happen. Thus we are all stuck in an absurd and dangerous situation which could result in a war which would completely destroy most of our planet.

For whatever it’s worth, and in spite of the constant hysterical Russophobia in the US Ziomedia, I detect absolutely no sign whatsoever that this campaign is having any success with the people in the US. At most, some of them naively buy into the “the Russians tried to interfere in our elections” fairy tale, but even in this case this belief is mitigated by “no big deal, we also do that in other countries”. I have yet to meet a American who would seriously believe that Russia is any kind of danger. I don’t even detect superficial reactions of hostility when, for example, I speak Russian with my family in a public place. Typically, we are asked what language we are speaking and when we reply “Russian” the reaction normally is “cool!”. Quite often I even hear “what do you think of Putin? I really like him”. This is in severe contrast with the federal government whom the vast majority of Americans seem to hate with a passion.

To summarize it all, I would say that at this point in time of the US-Russian war, Russia is wining, the Empire is losing and the US is suffering. As for the EU it is “enjoying” a much deserved irrelevance while being mostly busy absorbing wave after wave of society-destroying refugees proving, yet again, the truth of the saying that if your head is in the sand, your ass is in the air.

This war is far from over, I don’t even think that we have reach its peak yet and things are going to get worse before they get better again. But all in all, I am very optimistic that the Axis of Kindness will bite the dust in a relatively not too distant future.

 
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  1. yurivku says:

    Reading texts from Saker is a sip of fresh water in a rotten pool. His words “things are going to get worse before they get better again” could come true, but also could never happen cause current Cold War very likely may be converted to very hot one. And they will not get better. The common West doing everything for it.
    Saker said “Russians laughing” – yes, we do sometimes, but when we hear last news from “soft harassment” like attacks on our sportsmen, diplomats or reporters we are clenching our fists. We do not feel bad on western people, but this is not the case when to talk about the country as whole, counry which being determinated by its tops. There is a limit to any patience.
    Amount of idiocy of current american authorities and society as whole is amazing. Looking in the past I can’t see such desperate clowns as those on the top: mccains, clintons, haleys … at last Trump! and hundreds of powerful people who can not distinquish between Austia and Australia, all of those stupids askin to punish Russia!
    So, I’d like to be mistaken, but I’m not optimistic about the future of our planet and I believe it is the “West” who can change something, not Russia, we are staying near the last red line and not gonna retreat.

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  2. Brabantian says: • Website

    Significant event this week re the Russian-influence sphere & the USA war upon Slavs – a Slavic nationalist showed how to die bravely – Slobodan Praljak photos:

    The dramatic public suicide by poison of Bosnian Croat General Slobodan Praljak, 29 November 2017 in a ‘war crimes trial’ courtroom in the Hague, Netherlands … Was actually the 15th death in custody of the small number of Balkan defendants at the Hague over the last few years, 3 by ‘suicide’ and 12 by ‘disease & natural causes’ … It is statistically virtually impossible that so many deaths in a small group of middle-aged men occurred ‘naturally’

    Many of the people suddenly dead were said to be the most insistent on exposing the war crimes of Nato, such as Slobodan Milosevic

    Tho it is true various war atrocities were committed in the Balkan wars, what is also discrediting about these ‘war crimes trials’ is that only certain ethnic defendants, the Christian Slavs, were chosen for prosecution … It was forbidden to prosecute war crimes by Nato, and in practice war crimes by Muslim militias were also avoided by the Hague court

    Another corrupt aspect is that Balkan nation leaders and military commanders, were being convicted not for committing atrocity acts themselves, but on grounds of ‘conspiring’, ‘allowing’ etc atrocities

    By those same grounds, why are not many Western Nato leaders on trial for ‘war crimes’, for ‘conspiring’, ‘allowing’ etc war crimes in Libya, Syria, Iraq and many other places?

    USA war crime manipulations, included conducting a fraudulent ‘impeachment’ of US President Bill Clinton, in order to extort him into approving an illegal bombing of Serbia & massacre of civilians, which even the murderous Clinton found difficult to stomach … when Clinton agreed to do the bombing, he was ‘acquitted’ and he & his wife were allowed to continue their US regime roles

    Another aspect of the Hague ‘war crimes trials’, is that the Hague judges at times, especially some USA ones, behaved as openly sadistic, psychopathic abusers of their defendants, obsessively seeking to cover up for Nato crimes, such as CIA etc agents weaponising militias amongst the Balkan populations

    The age 72 General Slobodan Praljak, whatever his past crimes, did act with heroic courage, giving his life to help inform the world that the Hague ‘war crimes tribunal’ was a fraud meting out ‘victor’s justice’ for Nato propaganda … He died as a warrior telling truth, and perhaps earned some forgiveness for what he had done in the past

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    He died as a warrior telling truth, and perhaps earned some forgiveness for what he had done in the past
     
    Forgiveness might be another matter, but for sure he acted in a manly manner, worthy of respect - suicide in the face of injustice that cannot be fought, or in the face of irrevocable defeat, is surely appropriate and virtuous (Christian theology is clearly wrong on this), and defeat in itself is no refutation, for the material world is not a place of universal justice. The final crime of Saddam Hussein was allowing himself to be captured alive.

    The US rejects the idea of submitting its military men to judgement for "war crimes" by foreign tribunals, and that is surely the way things ought to be for every nation. Foreign tribunals merely enact injustice, often mere "victor's justice", and the ICTY like the ICC merely proves the point.
    , @Kiza
    Have you ever considered who was paying for “The Hague Justice”? In there is the answer to your question - why no Muslim war criminals in the Hague. It is an Anglo-Zionist tribunal (very important - not a court!!!) paid for by the Saudis and pretending to be operated by U.N. Therefore, The Hague is yet another instance of the currently dominant imperial scheme: Anglo-Zionist know-how financed by Saudi money (which is running out, thus the Empire may need to print even more).

    “Justice” is a labour-intensive endeavour (have you ever heard of a cheap lawyer); for every legal entity one needs to ask - who is paying?
    , @Wally
    The Hague 'trials' are very similar to the Nuremberg Show Trials.

    ex., at Nuremberg,:
    - The Soviet communists presented a detailed study of steam chambers which was accepted a Nuremberg, no study for the now alleged pesticide using 'gas chambers' was ever presented at Nuremberg, or any other court
    - statements by 'eyewitnesses' and 'survivors' defy laws of science' and are immensely contradictory
    - it was admitted by those participating in the Nuremberg show trials that Germans were routinely tortured to get 'confessions'
    - the absurd 'gas chambers' were given 'judicial notice' (accepted as fact in post war trials and could not be argued against) even though no forensic study for these 'gas chambers' was ever presented, so the falsely accused had little chance for defense, how convenient it all was
    - English translations of Russian translations of Polish copies of an alleged German original which cannot be found is typical of Nuremberg 'documents'.
    - the so called 'most documented event in world history' in fact has no documents which support the ridiculous '6M & gas chambers', no Hitler order, no orders from anyone to confirm the laughable claims
    - All but two of the Germans [on trial at Nuremberg], in the 139 cases that we investigated, had their testicles kicked in beyond repair. This was standard operating procedure with our American investigators:" 23.1.49, The Sunday Pictorial (quoted in For Those Who Cannot Speak (ref. 27), p.21.The statements which were admitted as evidence were obtained from men who had first been kept in solitary confinement for three, four and five months..The investigators would put a black hood over the accused's head, punch him in the face with brass knuckles, kick him and beat him with rubber hoses. Privy observer & American judge, van Roden
    - Judge van Roden's allegation of torture to gain "confessions" is confirmed by Texas Supreme Court Judge, Gordon Simpson. He confirmed that savage beatings, smashing of testicles, and months of solitary confinement occurred. Congressional Record, appendix v. 95, sec.12, 3/10/49

    www.codoh.com

    , @Beefcake the Mighty
    It is truly sickening to consider that the US (or it’s lackeys) are passing judgment on others for war crimes.
    , @Beefcake the Mighty
    Probably worth revisiting this excellent article from The Saker:

    http://thesaker.is/special-report-the-truth-about-srebrenica-20-years-later/
    , @Joe Levantine
    Witnessing Slobodan Praljak's death on TV made me cheer the heroism of the proud general who refused to bow to the henchmen of the sham court in The Hague. This proves that all is not lost for the White European race; I doubt that such courage and dignity can be found in Western Europe where the once great fighting men have been pussified by political correctness and group think.
    With two world class war criminals still on the loose, Tony Blair and George Busch Junior, who are responsible for the death and injuries of millions of people in Iraq and Afghanistan, any person of brain can see the farcical world court for what it is. General Praljak was not fighting a war of choice like the psychopathic Blair and Busch. He was fighting in a civil war where playing by the rules of the Geneva convention is much harder to do.
    The Croat General will always be celebrated for the heroe he was by his people; Busch and Blair will in due time get their right place in the garbage can of history.
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  3. MarkU says:

    The financial dynasties which have ruled the western world for the last few centuries are evidently in the final stages of degeneration. Their ancestors were at least intelligent people whatever one might think about their ethics. So far as I am able to tell we are now being ruled by people who only have one notable characteristic, arrogance. They are to the western world what Caligula and Nero were to Rome, poison and delusion. I doubt very much that there will be a happy outcome.

    Inherited wealth on a massive scale is the problem, when individuals are born with enough wealth to confer political influence even over the wealthiest countries, then democracy can only be a sham. Bill Gates (of all people) was on the right track a few years ago when he declared that he was only going to pass down to his descendants enough money to live comfortably for one lifetime. Until some sort of sane cap is placed on inherited wealth then we will continue to be ruled by people with mediocre ability advised by second-rate intellectuals who are prepared to tell them what they want to hear.

    The biggest threat to our continued existence is not the strength of the Russian federation but its weakness. Outspent and outnumbered hugely by the EU alone (whatever the paid liars in Washington say) their only credible defence in the event of open warfare is their nuclear arsenal, we can only hope they never need to use it.

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    their only credible defence in the event of open warfare is their nuclear arsenal
     
    Sir, don't repeat discredited propaganda memes. If you don't trust me, which is fine, read opinion on the man who has decades of working and serving with this very NATO, not to mention his deep knowledge on military-diplomatic terms of Russia.

    https://patrickarmstrong.ca/2017/11/23/nato-a-dangerous-paper-tiger/

    In fact, it is the United States who is the most likely user of its nuclear arsenal and it has nothing to do with Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombing.
    , @jacques sheete
    Many good points there!

    But inheritance is only one of the many routes to wealth. Wealth accumulated in other ways will probably be used in ways disfavorable to the rest of us as well.
    , @Wally
    So having Big Government seize other peoples money and doing what they do with money is a good thing?

    Seriously?

    The top 20% pay 95% of taxes, middle class, single digits.

    50% of US workers pay no federal taxes, but receive all the benefits as if they did.

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/omb-top-20-pay-95-of-taxes-middle-class-single-digits/article/2638746

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  4. Randal says:

    Can you imagine how totally humiliated, ridiculed, and beaten the US leaders feel today? Being hated or resisted is one thing, but being totally ignored – now that hurts!

    Saker could have added to the list of self-inflicted defeats for the US regime and foreign policy elites their ongoing humiliation over North Korea, where they have endlessly tried to insist that the US has some kind of special right for its enemies not to be allowed even to possess weapons that could potentially attack them, and postured and menaced in response to the NK government’s defiance, but have so far been forced to accept that they can do nothing about it, as Pat Buchanan discusses today. And as Pat points out, this is a situation entirely of the US regime’s making – by operating a sustained policy of military aggressions, and especially of attacking those that foolishly rely upon submission to their demands (Gaddafi) and undermining any agreements they make (Iran), they created the situation in which going all out for a nuclear deterrent became the most rational course available for NK.

    The US might yet choose to wage another war of aggression in order to avoid yet another self-inflicted humiliation, or an unintended war might start as a result of the US regime’s irresponsible military buildup and provocations, but if either happens, the costs will be colossal and any gains trivial, “win” or lose.

    But mostly the Russians are laughing their heads off wondering what in the world the folks in the West are smoking to be so totally terrified (at least officially) by a non-existing threat.

    That’s not the only gross absurdity in US sphere society that Russians are laughing at, apparently:

    Russian TV defends men over sex pest claims

    Nor is Russia resisting the opportunity to twist the knife on the US’s Korean nightmare:

    North Korea: Russia accuses US of goading Kim Jong-un

    Lavrov, like Putin, has made a practice of dropping such truth-bombs on the US regime. And who can blame them, if the US regime insists on handing them the ammunition, time after time?

    Over the past thirty years, at least, the US regime has ensured that the truth is anti-American.

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    Still humorous is how the Russians got the Americans to shit a figurative (and perhaps literal) brick by asking a simple question about how, exactly, ISIS was selling all that oil.
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  5. The Scalpel says: • Website

    “US would have no reason to see an enemy in Russia and vice-versa. In fact, Russia and the US could be ideal partners”

    This is the dream I had when the “wall” came down.

    But instead, I saw that my belief that the US government was a “white knight in shining armor” acting for “truth, justice, and the american way” and to “make the world safe for democracy” was only a dream, a foolish fantasy. I had been deceived.

    I had wanted to be an Army general and was a Distinguished Graduate of the USMA. Now I resigned my commission as an Army officer, took off my uniform, and extended my arm to stop the tanks.

    I hope to live to see the day of a multipolar world in peace. It is possible, but it must come from below. An “American Spring” is essential. I hope my complacent countrymen will see this before it is too late.

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    Now I resigned my commission as an Army officer, took off my uniform, and extended my arm to stop the tanks.
     
    I took off the uniform of Soviet Army officer more than 30 years ago. Was an officer in anti aircraft division.

    I hope to live to see the day of a multipolar world in peace. It is possible, but it must come from below.
     
    I hope too, but currenly a ball is on your side of a field. We (Russians) actually can't retreat any more. If US will keep its "soft harrasment" the result could be extremly bad. And I see no reason to expect sane behaviour from US establishment. They are insane, what about a majority of american people ? I don't know. But its must "come from below" of US society, not from us, we already did.
    , @Andrei Martyanov

    This is the dream I had when the “wall” came down.
     
    At that time (early 1990s) this was almost a consensus among many professionals on Russian side that this was possible. By 1999 it became clear that situation degenerated to such a degree that no compromise was possible anymore. Part of it was rooted in the nature of re-emerging genuine Russian state, the lion share, however, was in neocons completely subverting US foreign policy.
    , @Brzez
    "The white knight in shining armor" actually turned out to be a cowardly greedy coyote who unsuccessfully tried to fit into a stolen somewhere sheep skin.
    , @jacques sheete

    I had been deceived.
     
    Almost all of us have been and most continue to be.

    I wish I had a solution.
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  6. yurivku says:
    @The Scalpel
    "US would have no reason to see an enemy in Russia and vice-versa. In fact, Russia and the US could be ideal partners"

    This is the dream I had when the "wall" came down.

    But instead, I saw that my belief that the US government was a "white knight in shining armor" acting for "truth, justice, and the american way" and to "make the world safe for democracy" was only a dream, a foolish fantasy. I had been deceived.

    I had wanted to be an Army general and was a Distinguished Graduate of the USMA. Now I resigned my commission as an Army officer, took off my uniform, and extended my arm to stop the tanks.

    I hope to live to see the day of a multipolar world in peace. It is possible, but it must come from below. An "American Spring" is essential. I hope my complacent countrymen will see this before it is too late.

    Now I resigned my commission as an Army officer, took off my uniform, and extended my arm to stop the tanks.

    I took off the uniform of Soviet Army officer more than 30 years ago. Was an officer in anti aircraft division.

    I hope to live to see the day of a multipolar world in peace. It is possible, but it must come from below.

    I hope too, but currenly a ball is on your side of a field. We (Russians) actually can’t retreat any more. If US will keep its “soft harrasment” the result could be extremly bad. And I see no reason to expect sane behaviour from US establishment. They are insane, what about a majority of american people ? I don’t know. But its must “come from below” of US society, not from us, we already did.

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    And I see no reason to expect sane behaviour from US establishment.
     
    You are correct.

    They are insane, what about a majority of american people ?
     
    About a century ago, the American people were pretty savvy about what was really going on and many good guys fought the good fight and had a lot of popular support, but crooked big money was too cunning, too pervasive and too powerful so it prevailed.

    Today the majority of American people are sleepwalking and for the most part, utterly clueless. What's really perverse is that it's mainly people with "degrees" who are the most ignorant and uncaring. They seem to think that because they possess some "degree" and a little more cash than the next guy, that they're pretty smart and that they have the answers for everything.

    Most people spout the establishment media propaganda and sneer at anyone who questions it. How they can accept the sewage spewed from such obviously vapid (at best), sources is astonishing to me. It's as if they enjoy being duped, and despite their feelings of self importance and superiority, few have ever learned to question anything, and accept the quackery of authority unreservedly.

    For that, some call me bitter. I call it like I sees it, and it ain't purdy, and I don't see much improvement even over the long term.


    “For who can be so tolerant of this monstrous city, who so iron of soul, as to contain himself …?”

    Juvenal, SATIRE I, ~ 100AD
     

    "Bitter" ain't the half of it.
    , @Beefcake the Mighty
    Americans and Russians should be natural partners in a multipolar world to widespread benefit, the situation is tragic. The American ruling class is truly evil, there is no hope there. The American people are overall decent and generous, but their abysmal lack of (or even interest) in history will be their undoing, I’m afraid.
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  7. Randal says:
    @Brabantian
    Significant event this week re the Russian-influence sphere & the USA war upon Slavs - a Slavic nationalist showed how to die bravely - Slobodan Praljak photos:
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a79a32fc1dac9855ae2008c5aa52d3db90322f31a2057c7eb36aca068f67c1e5.jpg

    The dramatic public suicide by poison of Bosnian Croat General Slobodan Praljak, 29 November 2017 in a 'war crimes trial' courtroom in the Hague, Netherlands ... Was actually the 15th death in custody of the small number of Balkan defendants at the Hague over the last few years, 3 by 'suicide' and 12 by 'disease & natural causes' ... It is statistically virtually impossible that so many deaths in a small group of middle-aged men occurred 'naturally'

    Many of the people suddenly dead were said to be the most insistent on exposing the war crimes of Nato, such as Slobodan Milosevic

    Tho it is true various war atrocities were committed in the Balkan wars, what is also discrediting about these 'war crimes trials' is that only certain ethnic defendants, the Christian Slavs, were chosen for prosecution ... It was forbidden to prosecute war crimes by Nato, and in practice war crimes by Muslim militias were also avoided by the Hague court

    Another corrupt aspect is that Balkan nation leaders and military commanders, were being convicted not for committing atrocity acts themselves, but on grounds of 'conspiring', 'allowing' etc atrocities

    By those same grounds, why are not many Western Nato leaders on trial for 'war crimes', for 'conspiring', 'allowing' etc war crimes in Libya, Syria, Iraq and many other places?

    USA war crime manipulations, included conducting a fraudulent 'impeachment' of US President Bill Clinton, in order to extort him into approving an illegal bombing of Serbia & massacre of civilians, which even the murderous Clinton found difficult to stomach ... when Clinton agreed to do the bombing, he was 'acquitted' and he & his wife were allowed to continue their US regime roles

    Another aspect of the Hague 'war crimes trials', is that the Hague judges at times, especially some USA ones, behaved as openly sadistic, psychopathic abusers of their defendants, obsessively seeking to cover up for Nato crimes, such as CIA etc agents weaponising militias amongst the Balkan populations

    The age 72 General Slobodan Praljak, whatever his past crimes, did act with heroic courage, giving his life to help inform the world that the Hague 'war crimes tribunal' was a fraud meting out 'victor's justice' for Nato propaganda ... He died as a warrior telling truth, and perhaps earned some forgiveness for what he had done in the past

    He died as a warrior telling truth, and perhaps earned some forgiveness for what he had done in the past

    Forgiveness might be another matter, but for sure he acted in a manly manner, worthy of respect – suicide in the face of injustice that cannot be fought, or in the face of irrevocable defeat, is surely appropriate and virtuous (Christian theology is clearly wrong on this), and defeat in itself is no refutation, for the material world is not a place of universal justice. The final crime of Saddam Hussein was allowing himself to be captured alive.

    The US rejects the idea of submitting its military men to judgement for “war crimes” by foreign tribunals, and that is surely the way things ought to be for every nation. Foreign tribunals merely enact injustice, often mere “victor’s justice”, and the ICTY like the ICC merely proves the point.

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    "The final crime of Saddam Hussein was allowing himself to be captured alive."
     
    Perhaps it was thinking to the end he would get a fair trial or even a last-minute reprieve from his former lackeys; even if they had remained loyal, the verdict had already been dictated.
    , @Wally
    "Foreign tribunals merely enact injustice, often mere “victor’s justice”, and the ICTY like the ICC merely proves the point."

    Indeed, the fraud of the Nuremberg Show Trials prove that fact.

    U.S. Congressional Representative, Lawrence H. Smith of Wisconsin said:

    " The Nuremberg Trials are so repugnant to the Anglo-Saxon principles of justice that we must forever be ashamed of that page in our history."
    Congressional Record, appendix, v.95, sec.14, 6/15/49
     
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  8. @The Scalpel
    "US would have no reason to see an enemy in Russia and vice-versa. In fact, Russia and the US could be ideal partners"

    This is the dream I had when the "wall" came down.

    But instead, I saw that my belief that the US government was a "white knight in shining armor" acting for "truth, justice, and the american way" and to "make the world safe for democracy" was only a dream, a foolish fantasy. I had been deceived.

    I had wanted to be an Army general and was a Distinguished Graduate of the USMA. Now I resigned my commission as an Army officer, took off my uniform, and extended my arm to stop the tanks.

    I hope to live to see the day of a multipolar world in peace. It is possible, but it must come from below. An "American Spring" is essential. I hope my complacent countrymen will see this before it is too late.

    This is the dream I had when the “wall” came down.

    At that time (early 1990s) this was almost a consensus among many professionals on Russian side that this was possible. By 1999 it became clear that situation degenerated to such a degree that no compromise was possible anymore. Part of it was rooted in the nature of re-emerging genuine Russian state, the lion share, however, was in neocons completely subverting US foreign policy.

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    ...the lion share, however, was in neocons completely subverting US foreign policy.
     
    The neocons and their Israeli handlers are nothing more than patsies and front men for the handful of banksters that own and run the world and that's not to excuse them.

    As far as subverting US foreign policy, the US never really had one that could be called "US." The foreign policy that's been acted on has long been that of the international banking gangsters, and the same can be said about US domestic policy. Both have always been in the interest of the money bag ruling classes who've never been known for honesty or concerns of justice.

    For example, the US got suckered into fighting both worlds wars (which really should be thought of as one that hasn't ended yet) where it need never have been involved, got suckered into supporting the gangster state of Israel, and continues to be suckered into acting in self defeating ways, at least from the prol and peasant point of view.

    It's exceedingly sad that the few who weren't suckered and spoke out against it were not listened to but instead were mocked ridiculed, smeared, ignored, assassinated, and imprisoned just as they are today.

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  9. @MarkU
    The financial dynasties which have ruled the western world for the last few centuries are evidently in the final stages of degeneration. Their ancestors were at least intelligent people whatever one might think about their ethics. So far as I am able to tell we are now being ruled by people who only have one notable characteristic, arrogance. They are to the western world what Caligula and Nero were to Rome, poison and delusion. I doubt very much that there will be a happy outcome.

    Inherited wealth on a massive scale is the problem, when individuals are born with enough wealth to confer political influence even over the wealthiest countries, then democracy can only be a sham. Bill Gates (of all people) was on the right track a few years ago when he declared that he was only going to pass down to his descendants enough money to live comfortably for one lifetime. Until some sort of sane cap is placed on inherited wealth then we will continue to be ruled by people with mediocre ability advised by second-rate intellectuals who are prepared to tell them what they want to hear.

    The biggest threat to our continued existence is not the strength of the Russian federation but its weakness. Outspent and outnumbered hugely by the EU alone (whatever the paid liars in Washington say) their only credible defence in the event of open warfare is their nuclear arsenal, we can only hope they never need to use it.

    their only credible defence in the event of open warfare is their nuclear arsenal

    Sir, don’t repeat discredited propaganda memes. If you don’t trust me, which is fine, read opinion on the man who has decades of working and serving with this very NATO, not to mention his deep knowledge on military-diplomatic terms of Russia.

    https://patrickarmstrong.ca/2017/11/23/nato-a-dangerous-paper-tiger/

    In fact, it is the United States who is the most likely user of its nuclear arsenal and it has nothing to do with Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombing.

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    From Patrick Armstrong's article (a good one, by the way):

    A Russian threat is good for business: there’s poor money in a threat made of IEDs, bomb vests and small arms. Big profits require big threats.
     
    Actually, I'd say the Russian threat is necessary to keep the Europeans too frightened to protest while the U.S. steals wealth from them. After all, when the U.S. imports goods and "pays" for them with printed money, it is basically stealing those goods. The U.S. is draining a lot of wealth from Europe (like $150 billion a year), so something must be done to keep them docile. Russia's perfect for that.
    , @prusmc
    How is tbis going to take place even if yhe US was sttacked? There is an insubordinare clique of General Officers in the armed forces personified by the Air Force General in command of what used to be SAC who announced he will not obey or subvert Presidential orders. Below that are the social judtices wsrriors such as the superindents at the Military and Air Force Acafemies and the Naval War College. Few GOs and FOs on active duty today didn't receive most of their stars under Obama.Most will bide time after Pese becomes President in 2018 until Kamala Harris / Joe Biden/ Julian Castro/Richard Murphy/Deveal Patrick/John Hickenlooper take power. Then will have a new fighting team to advance the csuse.
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  10. At the end of the day, political regimes can only survive by the consent of those they rule. In the United States this consent is clearly in the process of being withdrawn.

    That really is the nub of the matter there. The elites are fumbling about, trying to save themselves in the USA and their unearned perquisites. As the Saker says, the imperial parasite is sucking dry what should be a wealthy and peaceful land.

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    It is the stupidity of the alphabet agencies and their handlers that is really depressing. Guess many years of unnatural selection for the most opportunistic and sycophantic have finally caught up with the whole system. Not a single intelligent, principled, honest and patriotic man among the "deciders.” None. Same seems to be true for the obedient and high-placed operatives in the nationals security apparatus.
    The stunning Awan Affair -- the whole US Congress was spied on and the classified info could have been sold to foreign nations -- and the miserable Steel Affair of make belief are both strong indicators that the overblown and obscenely expensive national security apparatus is not about the security and nation.
    It is nothing but failure.
    Whether the CrowdStrike fraud or the "expertise" from various Kaganists' "think tanks" -- like the presstituting Atlantic Council featuring as its star expert a profoundly ignorant and Russophobic Eliot Higgins, a former salesperson of ladies underwear (on a par with the “expertise” of the Atlantic Council directors) – the US has become ZUSA, with a voracious host making a feast on the zombified country.
    , @Anon
    The deafening silence re investigation of Seth Rich murder removes any doubts about the expertise of alphabet agencies.
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  11. Greeks and Jews came to face the same conundrum. How to reconcile the universal thrust of their ideas with the tribal ethno-centrism.

    Greeks were awful proud and developed complex forms of science and governance. They came up with stuff like political democracy. It had universal implications, but Greeks had no intention of sharing the idea with barbarians. It was for Greek city-states only. But the idea eventually caught onto other civilizations.
    Jews were awful proud and developed the idea of the one and only God. It has universal implications, but Jews wanted to own this idea of God. So, they came up with the idea of the Covenant that would bind the God of all things to the Jewish tribe.

    These two contradictions would come to shape much of Western History West developed science and technology of universal import but sought to keep it to itself to gain power over others. West developed ideas of universal human rights but sought to restrict those rights to Western peoples.

    Just as Greeks saw democracy as a Greek thing and Jews saw God as a Jewish thing, America’s Founding was also marked by this great contradiction. It was, in one sense, a universal republic committed to principles that rose above tribe or nation. And yet, it was also a nation of Anglo-Germanic stock where Christianity and English were the defacto official religion and language. It was both about big OURS and a small ours. Thus, Anglo-Germanics would have a special place in the American experience. This was most obvious to Indians, blacks, and non-whites but even, to a lesser extent, to certain ethnic groups of southern or Eastern Europe.

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    Universalism wasn’t the intention of the Greeks when they came up with ideas of democracy and individuality. Similarly, Jews instinctively feared the consequences of monotheism as an abstraction. Abstractions, having been distilled from a particular reality, can pass to any people, culture, or nation. It’s like every fruit has its own sugars. So, apple sugars belong to the apple, peach sugars belong to the peach, and watermelon sugars belong to the watermelons. But when sugars are extracted from those fruits, they lose their unique attachments and just become ‘universal’ sugar that can be used to sweeten anything. It’s like when piles of wood are turned into charcoal, it no longer matters which tree they came from; they just exist to burn and provide heat.

    Thus, to own and keep their own concept of God, Jews entwined the idea with the Covenant between God and Jews as the Chosen People. Thus, the Jewish God had features of a universal idea but was contractually bound with The Tribe. God was the Lord of all things, all peoples, and all everything; however, He’d chosen the Jewish People to keep the torch of greatness(like Zeus gave Athena the Aegis for safekeeping; it was her responsibility and privilege).

    A similar kind of contractualism formed with the founding of America as a both Republic premised on universal principles of human rights AND a Christian nation mainly of Anglo-Germanic stock.

    But such contractualism — combination of universalism and particularism — tends to be unstable in the long run, especially if a people rub up against diverse groups of people either through imperialism or mass migration. Historically, Jews were never alone in their world like the Swedes in Sweden, Japanese in Japan, Hawaiian natives in Hawaii, and etc. They were always invading or being invaded by other peoples, always trading with other peoples, always bickering with other peoples, always hating and co-existing with other peoples. Thus, the potent bottle of Jewish nitroglycerin got shaken left and right, hither and thither, and the formula finally exploded into a truly universalized idea of God for all peoples of the Earth.

    As for Anglo-Americans, their importation of large numbers of black Africans to toil as slaves and then huge numbers of ‘ethnic’ European immigrants — especially the feisty and pushy Jews — led to increasing pressure to transform America into a ‘proposition’. As long as America was overwhelmingly(and proudly) of Northern European stock, it could maintain both the ‘radicalism’ of the Revolution and the ‘racialism’ of the original Northern European stock. But as America filled up with growing numbers of blacks(with high birthrate) and ethnic white Americans(who strove for the same rights and privileges as the Wasps), America lurched more toward abstract universal principles(though, for some reason, it also favors three groups for special praise and recognition: All Americans must support Israel, all Americans must worship Homomania or Queertianity as the new religion, all of Anglosphere must celebrate blackness for an entire month). Thus, even though the founding ideas of the American republic/democracy had once been almost synonymous with the Anglo-American people, their eventual universalization undermined Wasp power and then white power in general, with the exception of Jewish power.

    But then, Jews didn’t so much destroy the Founding Contradiction/Hypocrisy as filch it for themselves. It’s like the pigs in ANIMAL FARM didn’t so much distribute human goodies equally among the animals as keep the choicest portions for themselves. The Founding Contradiction lives on in favoring Jews as the quintessential Americans. After all, we are told that America is about both universal commitment to ‘tolerance’ & ‘diversity AND total support of Israel as the ‘closest ally’. Thus, the core of Americanism continues to be about universalism + tribalism, i.e. Jews are ‘more equally’ American than other Americans. The crucial factor is that that tribalist element of Americanism passed from Wasps to Jews.

    Consider that all Americans are not forced to praise or support Iran, Russia, China, Germany, Mexico, Egypt, and etc.(even though Americans come from those nations), but all Americans are forced to have their taxpayer money support Israel.

    That has been the great Jewish Globalist Swindle. Jewish globalists would have us believe that Bad Old America betrayed its universal principles by favoring the Anglo-American Tribe, but thankfully, such favoritism can no longer be tolerated in Good New America where no group is favored over others and where supremacism has no place.
    But any cursory examination of America makes it plainly obvious that the system is rigged in favor of Jewish tribalism. American Universalism now mainly means ALL Americans must support Israel and obey Jewish globalists.

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    ...America’s Founding was also marked by this great contradiction. It was, in one sense, a universal republic committed to principles that rose above tribe or nation.
     
    ..

    Given that the Naturalization Act of 1790 allowed for Whites only, the concept of a universal republic was, obviously, not entirely universal.

    As for Anglo-Americans, their importation of large numbers of black Africans to toil as slaves and then huge numbers of ‘ethnic’ European immigrants — especially the feisty and pushy Jews — led to increasing pressure to transform America into a ‘proposition’
     
    There was already a steady supply of White slaves (indentured servants) coming from the UK. The importation of Africans was mainly in Jewish hands, as the (((reviled))) Tony Martin pointed out. This ramped up considerably after Anthony Johnson, a Black landowner who was a former indentured servant, sued and won the right to keep slaves for life. Ironically, his two white slaves were also included in the judgement. So much for White privilege.
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  12. I really liked Saker’s article, except for the reference to Conchita Wurst, of which I’m unfamiliar. I was curious enough to google it, and now I can’t unsee that. Dear God, I need a brainwash.

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    except for the reference to Conchita Wurst, of which I’m unfamiliar. I was curious enough to google it, and now I can’t unsee that. Dear God, I need a brainwash.
     
    LOL, tell me about that--same here. I heard of IT (This, that, creature etc.) but at some point of time I took a look. Boy, was I sorry:))
    , @yeah
    If you need to puke or need a brainwash after seeing pictures of Conchita Wurst, you ain't seen nor heard nuthin' yet, Sir! Truer and bigger nightmares await us all. How about this: "U.K. Reverend asks Christians to pray that Prince George (4 years old presently) turns out to be gay". This is today's headline news (on Yahoo). After reading this I shook my head, then shook it some more, then rubbed my eyes ... until I became dizzy and my head went into a spasm of shaking itself.

    Lunacy and stupidity grows by leaps and bounds. Ours will be called by future historians "The age of stupidity" or perhaps "The loony era".

    Be brave - we are going to need to be even braver.
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  13. peterAUS says:

    Well….how about a bit of dissent here:

    Some people do not buy “multipolar world”. They see it as carving the current world into three regions ruled by a regional power.
    The same “hegemon with allies/vassals” as it is now, only in that case divided in three.

    I guess that’s fine with a lot of people.
    It is not fine with a lot of others.

    So, while Americans, Russian, Chinese, even West Europeans could be O.K. with that, a lot of smaller/small nations around the world would object.

    I’ll use Baltics as example.
    At the moment they are a little vassal in US Empire. Should that “multipolar” thing happen they’ll be a little vassal in Russian Empire.
    They prefer the current.
    BTW, as Croats, whose General pulled that event. Just ask Croats what they think about multipolar world where they’d be under Russian, ahm…”influence”.

    Or Taiwan re China.

    As for who is going to win that race I’d put my money on US, or, even some World supranational ruling entity (say, 60/40).
    Or a mistake by one of the main players and all goes nuclear.

    Now, a bit more from a “little” country perspective.
    Re Praljak suicide and that picture with Putin with…..them…I mean, Iranians and Turks.
    Brabantian wrote a bit about the General.
    What he did not write is that the General was convicted because of HVO (with some help from HV as well) atrocities against MUSLIMS in Bosnia/Herzegovina.
    HVO – Bosnian Croat forces; HV Croatia proper forces.
    I’ll repeat….Muslims. Not against Serbs. And there were plenty of those too. And vice versa, of course.

    So, that conviction was/is simply a part of power play there to appease and strengthen Muslims in Bosnia. For those who forgot about Balkans games, Turks and Iranians were supporting Muslims in Bosnia at the time.
    It’s interesting to see “alt-right” people liking Muslim sovereign state in Europe.

    Now…..say…..when Croats,in Herzegovina, see the suicide and Putin with both those Muslims…….what would they think about all that “multipolar” world and Russia in particular?
    Maybe: if US weakens Russia will step in->they obviously work together with Muslims->not good for us.
    What do Serbs think in that regard could also be interesting to hear.

    The main weakness of that “multipolar” view is seeing Russia/China as benevolent and US as malevolent player.
    Little players along the perceived borders of influence of major players see all of them malevolent, only with a different degree. Say, if we have to live as a vassal under a malevolent power, which one would be the least bad?
    And many would prefer US to Russia/China.

    Again, go and ask Croats, for example.
    Or any of ex-Warsaw pact country.
    Include Western Ukraine too.

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    "The same “hegemon with allies/vassals” as it is now, only in that case divided in three"
     
    Why? There is absolutely nothing about 'multipolar' that dictates three, or four 'hegemons', or even lists who would the 'multis' be. The idea is simply that most people, most of the time are better off left alone.

    Is that so hard to understand? Why should people in Washington (or Moscow, Beijing, Brussels,...) be intimately involved with how others live their lives, with their fights and alliances? Knowledge always dissipates with distance, and most of the 'masters of the universe' are not that smart to start with.

    Multipolar is just that - leave exercise of power and responsibility as close to the local situation as possible. Brussels telling Poland who should be a TV presenter, or Washington deciding what people in rural Hungary should read is idiotic. What's the point of all this busy-body behaviour? It is always justified by some slogans about preventing 'human rights violations'. Right. We have seen the results - a lot more people have died and suffered because of 'humanitarian' interventions than from anything else in the last 20+ years.

    I do find the current rapprochement between Russia and the major Moslem states amusing. It goes beyond Turkey and Iran, Moscow is working all of them, Egypt, Sudan, ... I suspect it is a clever attempt to beat US at its own game - US has spent about four decades arming and unleashing any Islamic force it could find against Russians (and Slavs in general), using methods that were beyond brutal and hypocrisy that eventually backfired. Maybe turning it around is a good strategy. It is inconsistent, but when you fight extreme stupidity, often the only thing that works is to use more stupidity...

    , @RadicalCenter
    You make great points about world powers and the beleaguered peoples of small or weaker nations.

    All three world-power governments -- USA, China, and Russia -- are vicious, untrustworthy, oppressive, restrict individual liberty more than needed for civic order and safety, have utterly corrupt and rigged election or selection systems, waste the earnings of working people on boondoggle projects or graft meant to enrich their donors or party officials, torture and kill peaceful people abroad or at home whenever it suits their interests and they have the power to do so, lie to and manipulate "their" people to achieve desired ends, etc.

    For example, Putin and Russia sound great in some respects FROM AFAR (and he IS a more competent, knowledgeable, and persuasive leader than any US President or euro leader I've seen). I have come to respect and sometimes admire Russia, and I see that my country and government are hypocritical in many of our criticisms of Russia, as those apply equally well or even more to us and our recent actions.

    But that's not how I would feel if I were Croatian or polish, I imagine. If my country were small and bordered Russia, I'd have a logical fear and resentment of Russia. Same as almost anyone in a smaller country in the world justifiably fears and resents the US government, elites, and military currently. They know they are never safe with evil people in control of large powers like the USA, china, etc.

    And I wouldn't want to live in Russia, or be forced to live under Russian rule, and sure as Hell not China. None of us in the West should have illusions about the level of freedom, the standard of living, or the level of corruption in Russia or China, or anywhere that at times seems less bad than our government has led us to believe.

    Conversely, we in the West ought to ratchet down our endless invasions, bombings, sanctions, and threats against people who are no threat to us if we merely maintain military strength and vigilance on and around our territory.

    We ought to reform and reduce our own frightening and wasteful welfare/warfare/surveillance State instead of harping on Russia and pretending that we are still the prosperous, solvent, stable, unified, mostly-free country that we used to be.

    Smaller or weaker people probably will always end up controlled, ruled, pushed aside, or destroyed by larger powers, whether the USA or USSR or Russia or China or even India. Human beings just cannot be trusted with coercive power over other human beings, no matter what their race or supposed religion.

    But a world where no one power is effectively unchallenged, is generally even worse. You're right that multipolarity is cold comfort for smaller countries and peoples, but under most circumstances it seems potentially somewhat less bad than a unipolar world.

    , @Vidi

    Now, a bit more from a “little” country perspective.
     
    As usual, you are not remotely fair. Many countries have historical grievances against other countries, and you are happy to cite those. However, I don't see you mention the areas that are benefiting from their association with a major country. For example, the stans in Central Asia can't wait for China's Belt and Road to be completed; the legendary cities like Tashkent and Samarkand remember their golden ages when the Silk Road was active, and they can barely wait for it to be revived. And similarly, Crimea was eager to return to Russia; something like 96% of the people voted to join the RF, and they are definitely benefiting from the union. I think your perspective is more than a little lopsided.
    , @Vidi

    The main weakness of that “multipolar” view is seeing Russia/China as benevolent and US as malevolent player.
     
    Considering that the U.S. is currently draining about $150 billion from Europe every year (about 10% of Europe's GDP), I would say that's pretty malevolent. Russia and China aren't doing anything remotely similar.
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  14. nickels says:

    Too much depends on China, and I don’t trust them.
    The godless money grubbers may chose to ally with the (((Anglos))) and stab Russia in the back just like Russia allied with the (((Brits))) to stab Germany in the back.
    The world pivots on the Yellow Peril.

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    Too much depends on China, and I don’t trust them.
     
    I trust them more than others, China pushes no global ideology and its ruling party is communist in name only.
    , @chris
    That's a very good point !
    China has a world of natural resources to gain by stabbing Russia in the back, though they run the risk of that eventually being the reason the Empire would subsequently go after them, ... assuming we're not going to get nuclear winter, before "the scalpel's" "American Spring!"
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  15. @Hank Rearden
    I really liked Saker's article, except for the reference to Conchita Wurst, of which I'm unfamiliar. I was curious enough to google it, and now I can't unsee that. Dear God, I need a brainwash.

    except for the reference to Conchita Wurst, of which I’m unfamiliar. I was curious enough to google it, and now I can’t unsee that. Dear God, I need a brainwash.

    LOL, tell me about that–same here. I heard of IT (This, that, creature etc.) but at some point of time I took a look. Boy, was I sorry:))

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  16. neutral says:
    @nickels
    Too much depends on China, and I don't trust them.
    The godless money grubbers may chose to ally with the (((Anglos))) and stab Russia in the back just like Russia allied with the (((Brits))) to stab Germany in the back.
    The world pivots on the Yellow Peril.

    Too much depends on China, and I don’t trust them.

    I trust them more than others, China pushes no global ideology and its ruling party is communist in name only.

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    They will do anything to anyone in order to benefit Han Chinese people by garnering for them land for living, land for crops, mineral resources, clean water, wealth, and the domination of more of the world by their culture. Anything. Without hesitation or remorse. With China, it is just a question of when they will feel powerful enough vis a Vis Russia and the USA and India to take and impose much more forcefully.

    Trusting China or the Chinese is naive as Hell. (Of course, the same goes for the US government, and they don't even TRY to benefit the masses of their own people, especially European-Americans a/k/a Americans. Quite the opposite.)
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  17. @Priss Factor
    Greeks and Jews came to face the same conundrum. How to reconcile the universal thrust of their ideas with the tribal ethno-centrism.

    Greeks were awful proud and developed complex forms of science and governance. They came up with stuff like political democracy. It had universal implications, but Greeks had no intention of sharing the idea with barbarians. It was for Greek city-states only. But the idea eventually caught onto other civilizations.
    Jews were awful proud and developed the idea of the one and only God. It has universal implications, but Jews wanted to own this idea of God. So, they came up with the idea of the Covenant that would bind the God of all things to the Jewish tribe.

    These two contradictions would come to shape much of Western History West developed science and technology of universal import but sought to keep it to itself to gain power over others. West developed ideas of universal human rights but sought to restrict those rights to Western peoples.

    Just as Greeks saw democracy as a Greek thing and Jews saw God as a Jewish thing, America's Founding was also marked by this great contradiction. It was, in one sense, a universal republic committed to principles that rose above tribe or nation. And yet, it was also a nation of Anglo-Germanic stock where Christianity and English were the defacto official religion and language. It was both about big OURS and a small ours. Thus, Anglo-Germanics would have a special place in the American experience. This was most obvious to Indians, blacks, and non-whites but even, to a lesser extent, to certain ethnic groups of southern or Eastern Europe.

    Universalism wasn't the intention of the Greeks when they came up with ideas of democracy and individuality. Similarly, Jews instinctively feared the consequences of monotheism as an abstraction. Abstractions, having been distilled from a particular reality, can pass to any people, culture, or nation. It’s like every fruit has its own sugars. So, apple sugars belong to the apple, peach sugars belong to the peach, and watermelon sugars belong to the watermelons. But when sugars are extracted from those fruits, they lose their unique attachments and just become ‘universal’ sugar that can be used to sweeten anything. It’s like when piles of wood are turned into charcoal, it no longer matters which tree they came from; they just exist to burn and provide heat.

    Thus, to own and keep their own concept of God, Jews entwined the idea with the Covenant between God and Jews as the Chosen People. Thus, the Jewish God had features of a universal idea but was contractually bound with The Tribe. God was the Lord of all things, all peoples, and all everything; however, He’d chosen the Jewish People to keep the torch of greatness(like Zeus gave Athena the Aegis for safekeeping; it was her responsibility and privilege).

    A similar kind of contractualism formed with the founding of America as a both Republic premised on universal principles of human rights AND a Christian nation mainly of Anglo-Germanic stock.

    But such contractualism — combination of universalism and particularism — tends to be unstable in the long run, especially if a people rub up against diverse groups of people either through imperialism or mass migration. Historically, Jews were never alone in their world like the Swedes in Sweden, Japanese in Japan, Hawaiian natives in Hawaii, and etc. They were always invading or being invaded by other peoples, always trading with other peoples, always bickering with other peoples, always hating and co-existing with other peoples. Thus, the potent bottle of Jewish nitroglycerin got shaken left and right, hither and thither, and the formula finally exploded into a truly universalized idea of God for all peoples of the Earth.

    As for Anglo-Americans, their importation of large numbers of black Africans to toil as slaves and then huge numbers of ‘ethnic’ European immigrants — especially the feisty and pushy Jews — led to increasing pressure to transform America into a ‘proposition'. As long as America was overwhelmingly(and proudly) of Northern European stock, it could maintain both the ‘radicalism’ of the Revolution and the ‘racialism’ of the original Northern European stock. But as America filled up with growing numbers of blacks(with high birthrate) and ethnic white Americans(who strove for the same rights and privileges as the Wasps), America lurched more toward abstract universal principles(though, for some reason, it also favors three groups for special praise and recognition: All Americans must support Israel, all Americans must worship Homomania or Queertianity as the new religion, all of Anglosphere must celebrate blackness for an entire month). Thus, even though the founding ideas of the American republic/democracy had once been almost synonymous with the Anglo-American people, their eventual universalization undermined Wasp power and then white power in general, with the exception of Jewish power.

    But then, Jews didn’t so much destroy the Founding Contradiction/Hypocrisy as filch it for themselves. It’s like the pigs in ANIMAL FARM didn’t so much distribute human goodies equally among the animals as keep the choicest portions for themselves. The Founding Contradiction lives on in favoring Jews as the quintessential Americans. After all, we are told that America is about both universal commitment to ‘tolerance’ & ‘diversity AND total support of Israel as the ‘closest ally’. Thus, the core of Americanism continues to be about universalism + tribalism, i.e. Jews are ‘more equally’ American than other Americans. The crucial factor is that that tribalist element of Americanism passed from Wasps to Jews.

    Consider that all Americans are not forced to praise or support Iran, Russia, China, Germany, Mexico, Egypt, and etc.(even though Americans come from those nations), but all Americans are forced to have their taxpayer money support Israel.

    That has been the great Jewish Globalist Swindle. Jewish globalists would have us believe that Bad Old America betrayed its universal principles by favoring the Anglo-American Tribe, but thankfully, such favoritism can no longer be tolerated in Good New America where no group is favored over others and where supremacism has no place.
    But any cursory examination of America makes it plainly obvious that the system is rigged in favor of Jewish tribalism. American Universalism now mainly means ALL Americans must support Israel and obey Jewish globalists.

    …America’s Founding was also marked by this great contradiction. It was, in one sense, a universal republic committed to principles that rose above tribe or nation.

    ..

    Given that the Naturalization Act of 1790 allowed for Whites only, the concept of a universal republic was, obviously, not entirely universal.

    As for Anglo-Americans, their importation of large numbers of black Africans to toil as slaves and then huge numbers of ‘ethnic’ European immigrants — especially the feisty and pushy Jews — led to increasing pressure to transform America into a ‘proposition’

    There was already a steady supply of White slaves (indentured servants) coming from the UK. The importation of Africans was mainly in Jewish hands, as the (((reviled))) Tony Martin pointed out. This ramped up considerably after Anthony Johnson, a Black landowner who was a former indentured servant, sued and won the right to keep slaves for life. Ironically, his two white slaves were also included in the judgement. So much for White privilege.

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  18. Kiza says:
    @Brabantian
    Significant event this week re the Russian-influence sphere & the USA war upon Slavs - a Slavic nationalist showed how to die bravely - Slobodan Praljak photos:
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a79a32fc1dac9855ae2008c5aa52d3db90322f31a2057c7eb36aca068f67c1e5.jpg

    The dramatic public suicide by poison of Bosnian Croat General Slobodan Praljak, 29 November 2017 in a 'war crimes trial' courtroom in the Hague, Netherlands ... Was actually the 15th death in custody of the small number of Balkan defendants at the Hague over the last few years, 3 by 'suicide' and 12 by 'disease & natural causes' ... It is statistically virtually impossible that so many deaths in a small group of middle-aged men occurred 'naturally'

    Many of the people suddenly dead were said to be the most insistent on exposing the war crimes of Nato, such as Slobodan Milosevic

    Tho it is true various war atrocities were committed in the Balkan wars, what is also discrediting about these 'war crimes trials' is that only certain ethnic defendants, the Christian Slavs, were chosen for prosecution ... It was forbidden to prosecute war crimes by Nato, and in practice war crimes by Muslim militias were also avoided by the Hague court

    Another corrupt aspect is that Balkan nation leaders and military commanders, were being convicted not for committing atrocity acts themselves, but on grounds of 'conspiring', 'allowing' etc atrocities

    By those same grounds, why are not many Western Nato leaders on trial for 'war crimes', for 'conspiring', 'allowing' etc war crimes in Libya, Syria, Iraq and many other places?

    USA war crime manipulations, included conducting a fraudulent 'impeachment' of US President Bill Clinton, in order to extort him into approving an illegal bombing of Serbia & massacre of civilians, which even the murderous Clinton found difficult to stomach ... when Clinton agreed to do the bombing, he was 'acquitted' and he & his wife were allowed to continue their US regime roles

    Another aspect of the Hague 'war crimes trials', is that the Hague judges at times, especially some USA ones, behaved as openly sadistic, psychopathic abusers of their defendants, obsessively seeking to cover up for Nato crimes, such as CIA etc agents weaponising militias amongst the Balkan populations

    The age 72 General Slobodan Praljak, whatever his past crimes, did act with heroic courage, giving his life to help inform the world that the Hague 'war crimes tribunal' was a fraud meting out 'victor's justice' for Nato propaganda ... He died as a warrior telling truth, and perhaps earned some forgiveness for what he had done in the past

    Have you ever considered who was paying for “The Hague Justice”? In there is the answer to your question – why no Muslim war criminals in the Hague. It is an Anglo-Zionist tribunal (very important – not a court!!!) paid for by the Saudis and pretending to be operated by U.N. Therefore, The Hague is yet another instance of the currently dominant imperial scheme: Anglo-Zionist know-how financed by Saudi money (which is running out, thus the Empire may need to print even more).

    “Justice” is a labour-intensive endeavour (have you ever heard of a cheap lawyer); for every legal entity one needs to ask – who is paying?

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    Good point. But it's not only who's paying for, but also who's staffing the ICTY ("Hague tribunal"). I think at one point it was roughly 75% Americans, often just "leaving" a US government position.

    The tribunal is a farce. It invented the concept of a "joint criminal enterprise" of which there is no evidence except the perceived effects. It accepts hearsay as evidence. The prosecutor's office is heavily influenced by the US govt, and holds tremendous power in deciding whom to indict, and for what. (I.e., let's indict some token guys from a "good" side, so it's not quite so obvious what we're doing, but then we'll: ignore their real crimes, charge them with something they didn't do so they can get off, and/or send them back to their national courts to get acquitted as heroes.) Or we'll let the "good" guy's witnesses get murdered, then acquit him for "lack of evidence" (for KLA defendants). Etc, etc, etc.
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  19. Cyrano says:

    At one point the US was so confident that they managed to “fix” the middle east, that they were talking about “pivot” to Asia, which was nothing more than a veiled threat to China that they are next on the list to be “fixed”. So the pivot to Asia didn’t really happen, as it turns out the middle east wasn’t really “fixed”, not the way the wanted it anyway. Then the fiasco in Ukraine happened where they had to turn their attention to Russia.

    May I be so bold as to suggest few names for the new US policies towards Russia after 2014 – using “pivot to Asia” as a guidance? How about:

    1. Somersault to Russia? Or,

    2. Cartwheel to Russia? Or maybe,

    3. Backflip to Russia?

    Note that all 3 suggested choices try to point out to the acrobatic skills needed in order for the missions named after them to succeed.

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    1. Somersault to Russia? Or,
    2. Cartwheel to Russia? Or maybe,
    3. Backflip to Russia?

    Note that all 3 suggested choices try to point out to the acrobatic skills needed in order for the missions named after them to succeed.
     
    In the end, it will be a spastic lurch and a nosedive into the ditch on the road to Moscow.
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  20. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    First, there is no war. The real/unreal “war” continues because it serves the powers that be on both sides. On the US side, it serves as an excuse for an enormous “defense” spending that now exceeds defense spending of the rest of the world combined. This massive flow of taxpayers’ money into the pockets of the few who feed at the Pentagon trough needs some “justification”, and “evil Russia” serves admirably. On the Russian side, Putin’s generally anti-US foreign policy, which is supported by the great majority of Russians, “justifies” his grip on power despite the fact that the internal policies of his government, which also enrich very few at the expense of the rest, are very unpopular. The US never wages a real war on anyone who has WMDs. North Korea is the most up-to-date example of this. The very fact of the US invasion of Iraq or bombing of Syria showed that the US was 100% sure that neither Saddam nor Assad have WMDs. The US elites, dumb and shortsighted though they are, understand deep down that they need to stay alive to enjoy their loot. As Ukrainian saying puts it, “coffins have no pockets”.

    But there is a stiff competition: the US Empire is going downhill, like the British Empire a century ago, and the Chinese are happy to have Russia spearhead the resistance (which they quietly support in many ways). I doubt that Chinese domination would be any more benign than shameless and brutal US domination, but we’ll see soon enough: in 20-30 years the US will be relegated to the position of a second-tier power. I am not even sure that Chinese domination would be in Russia’s interests any more than the US domination, but US elites in their incredible stupidity forced Russia to ally with China and all anti-American forces in the world, as diverse as Iran and North Korea. The US is losing so fast due to blind greed and overall degradation of its elites, who keep biting off a lot more than they can chew and behaving like it’s 1990. But the ultimate win would be more China’s than Russia’s, unless Russia manages to create a tri-polar world with China and India, which would be certainly better than any unipolar world can possibly be.

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    It is a fact of history that when two leading parties exhaust each other in a prlonged fight, the ultimate winning party is a third party. The Byzantine Persian wars in the sixth century, ending with the triumph of the Arab tribes of Arabia under the banner of Islam, is a case in point.
    China is biding her time well while the leading white race countries bicker senselessly. If the American policy makers can learn some Chinese wisdom and patience, the decline of America might be reversed or postponed. Unfortunately, the neo cons will always double down in the face of defeat until the last American card is lost while the MIC will keep suckling the public treasury's tits until the United States collapses under the burden of its debt.
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  21. 1. Somersault to Russia? Or,

    2. Cartwheel to Russia? Or maybe,

    3. Backflip to Russia?

    Without jokes, but that is a perfect visual representation of a contemporary American foreign policy.

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  22. yeah says:
    @Hank Rearden
    I really liked Saker's article, except for the reference to Conchita Wurst, of which I'm unfamiliar. I was curious enough to google it, and now I can't unsee that. Dear God, I need a brainwash.

    If you need to puke or need a brainwash after seeing pictures of Conchita Wurst, you ain’t seen nor heard nuthin’ yet, Sir! Truer and bigger nightmares await us all. How about this: “U.K. Reverend asks Christians to pray that Prince George (4 years old presently) turns out to be gay”. This is today’s headline news (on Yahoo). After reading this I shook my head, then shook it some more, then rubbed my eyes … until I became dizzy and my head went into a spasm of shaking itself.

    Lunacy and stupidity grows by leaps and bounds. Ours will be called by future historians “The age of stupidity” or perhaps “The loony era”.

    Be brave – we are going to need to be even braver.

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    The pervert speaking about the little boy that way should be defrocked, imprisoned, and upon release he should be barred from any jobs involving access to children.
    , @Drapetomaniac
    I think it would be called "The Age of Backward Evolution".
    , @Hu Mi Yu

    Ours will be called by future historians “The age of stupidity” or perhaps “The loony era”.
     
    Predicted and named "the crazy years" decades ago. Our current problems are the logical result of policies adopted by the world war II generation.

    https://orangeraisin.wordpress.com/2017/11/05/robert-a-heinleins-crazy-years/
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  23. @yeah
    If you need to puke or need a brainwash after seeing pictures of Conchita Wurst, you ain't seen nor heard nuthin' yet, Sir! Truer and bigger nightmares await us all. How about this: "U.K. Reverend asks Christians to pray that Prince George (4 years old presently) turns out to be gay". This is today's headline news (on Yahoo). After reading this I shook my head, then shook it some more, then rubbed my eyes ... until I became dizzy and my head went into a spasm of shaking itself.

    Lunacy and stupidity grows by leaps and bounds. Ours will be called by future historians "The age of stupidity" or perhaps "The loony era".

    Be brave - we are going to need to be even braver.

    The pervert speaking about the little boy that way should be defrocked, imprisoned, and upon release he should be barred from any jobs involving access to children.

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  24. @yeah
    If you need to puke or need a brainwash after seeing pictures of Conchita Wurst, you ain't seen nor heard nuthin' yet, Sir! Truer and bigger nightmares await us all. How about this: "U.K. Reverend asks Christians to pray that Prince George (4 years old presently) turns out to be gay". This is today's headline news (on Yahoo). After reading this I shook my head, then shook it some more, then rubbed my eyes ... until I became dizzy and my head went into a spasm of shaking itself.

    Lunacy and stupidity grows by leaps and bounds. Ours will be called by future historians "The age of stupidity" or perhaps "The loony era".

    Be brave - we are going to need to be even braver.

    I think it would be called “The Age of Backward Evolution”.

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  25. Erebus says:
    @Cyrano
    At one point the US was so confident that they managed to “fix” the middle east, that they were talking about “pivot” to Asia, which was nothing more than a veiled threat to China that they are next on the list to be “fixed”. So the pivot to Asia didn’t really happen, as it turns out the middle east wasn’t really “fixed”, not the way the wanted it anyway. Then the fiasco in Ukraine happened where they had to turn their attention to Russia.

    May I be so bold as to suggest few names for the new US policies towards Russia after 2014 - using “pivot to Asia” as a guidance? How about:

    1. Somersault to Russia? Or,

    2. Cartwheel to Russia? Or maybe,

    3. Backflip to Russia?

    Note that all 3 suggested choices try to point out to the acrobatic skills needed in order for the missions named after them to succeed.

    1. Somersault to Russia? Or,
    2. Cartwheel to Russia? Or maybe,
    3. Backflip to Russia?

    Note that all 3 suggested choices try to point out to the acrobatic skills needed in order for the missions named after them to succeed.

    In the end, it will be a spastic lurch and a nosedive into the ditch on the road to Moscow.

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  26. Instead of AngloZionist Empire, I like just to call it the “Confederacy.”

    1. The Southern Generals strut around the globe like they own the place.
    2. We’re a resourced based economy with a free trade mantra.
    3. Slave labor camps litter the Empire (though only in prisons in Confederate Homeland).
    4. Hyper Police State.
    5. Everyone defines themselves by their skin color.

    Would anyone else care to add this list?

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  27. Beckow says:
    @peterAUS
    Well....how about a bit of dissent here:

    Some people do not buy "multipolar world". They see it as carving the current world into three regions ruled by a regional power.
    The same "hegemon with allies/vassals" as it is now, only in that case divided in three.

    I guess that's fine with a lot of people.
    It is not fine with a lot of others.

    So, while Americans, Russian, Chinese, even West Europeans could be O.K. with that, a lot of smaller/small nations around the world would object.

    I'll use Baltics as example.
    At the moment they are a little vassal in US Empire. Should that "multipolar" thing happen they'll be a little vassal in Russian Empire.
    They prefer the current.
    BTW, as Croats, whose General pulled that event. Just ask Croats what they think about multipolar world where they'd be under Russian, ahm..."influence".

    Or Taiwan re China.

    As for who is going to win that race I'd put my money on US, or, even some World supranational ruling entity (say, 60/40).
    Or a mistake by one of the main players and all goes nuclear.

    Now, a bit more from a "little" country perspective.
    Re Praljak suicide and that picture with Putin with.....them...I mean, Iranians and Turks.
    Brabantian wrote a bit about the General.
    What he did not write is that the General was convicted because of HVO (with some help from HV as well) atrocities against MUSLIMS in Bosnia/Herzegovina.
    HVO - Bosnian Croat forces; HV Croatia proper forces.
    I'll repeat....Muslims. Not against Serbs. And there were plenty of those too. And vice versa, of course.

    So, that conviction was/is simply a part of power play there to appease and strengthen Muslims in Bosnia. For those who forgot about Balkans games, Turks and Iranians were supporting Muslims in Bosnia at the time.
    It's interesting to see "alt-right" people liking Muslim sovereign state in Europe.

    Now.....say.....when Croats,in Herzegovina, see the suicide and Putin with both those Muslims.......what would they think about all that "multipolar" world and Russia in particular?
    Maybe: if US weakens Russia will step in->they obviously work together with Muslims->not good for us.
    What do Serbs think in that regard could also be interesting to hear.

    The main weakness of that "multipolar" view is seeing Russia/China as benevolent and US as malevolent player.
    Little players along the perceived borders of influence of major players see all of them malevolent, only with a different degree. Say, if we have to live as a vassal under a malevolent power, which one would be the least bad?
    And many would prefer US to Russia/China.

    Again, go and ask Croats, for example.
    Or any of ex-Warsaw pact country.
    Include Western Ukraine too.

    “The same “hegemon with allies/vassals” as it is now, only in that case divided in three”

    Why? There is absolutely nothing about ‘multipolar’ that dictates three, or four ‘hegemons’, or even lists who would the ‘multis’ be. The idea is simply that most people, most of the time are better off left alone.

    Is that so hard to understand? Why should people in Washington (or Moscow, Beijing, Brussels,…) be intimately involved with how others live their lives, with their fights and alliances? Knowledge always dissipates with distance, and most of the ‘masters of the universe’ are not that smart to start with.

    Multipolar is just that – leave exercise of power and responsibility as close to the local situation as possible. Brussels telling Poland who should be a TV presenter, or Washington deciding what people in rural Hungary should read is idiotic. What’s the point of all this busy-body behaviour? It is always justified by some slogans about preventing ‘human rights violations’. Right. We have seen the results – a lot more people have died and suffered because of ‘humanitarian’ interventions than from anything else in the last 20+ years.

    I do find the current rapprochement between Russia and the major Moslem states amusing. It goes beyond Turkey and Iran, Moscow is working all of them, Egypt, Sudan, … I suspect it is a clever attempt to beat US at its own game – US has spent about four decades arming and unleashing any Islamic force it could find against Russians (and Slavs in general), using methods that were beyond brutal and hypocrisy that eventually backfired. Maybe turning it around is a good strategy. It is inconsistent, but when you fight extreme stupidity, often the only thing that works is to use more stupidity…

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    Well...we talked about this very topic several times so far on this site.
    Why not again; probably we'll restate our positions again soon.

    Why? There is absolutely nothing about ‘multipolar’ that dictates three, or four ‘hegemons’, or even lists who would the ‘multis’ be. The idea is simply that most people, most of the time are better off left alone.
     
    Maybe.
    Or, as always so far in the history of humankind as soon as one power retreats another steps in.
    Last time it happened during Soviets.
    Germany retreated, Soviets filled the void, all the way up to East Germany.

    Soviets collapsed, The Empire moved in that void up to, as we speak, to Novorossia/Donbass.

    The Empire retreats Russia moves westwards up to and including Baltics (among other places).

    As for China they'll just get a good grip of all those islands in South. And Taiwan of course.

    Simple.

    Is that so hard to understand? Why should people in Washington (or Moscow, Beijing, Brussels,…) be intimately involved with how others live their lives, with their fights and alliances?
     
    They shouldn't but they did/do/will do.
    Russians shouldn't have raped all those German women. They did. They shouldn't have really used tank diplomacy in Hungary and Czechoslovakia but they did.
    Hell, they probably should't have shelled their own Parliament but they did.
    The way of the world.

    Multipolar is just that – leave exercise of power and responsibility as close to the local situation as possible.
     
    Maybe.
    Or just a smokescreen for West retreat/East advance.

    I do find the current rapprochement between Russia and the major Moslem states amusing.
     
    A lot of people do.
    Some don't.
    And I suspect the irony is, Serbs in particular.
    I am sure that Croats don't either but that's normal. They don't like Russians. Serbs, though....
    Makes you think. I mean, those two of all the peoples.
    Hard to say why. Ah, maybe because they are neighbors to the only Muslim sovereign state in Europe. Just a thought.

    I am sure those two, Serbs in particular, are quite happy about:

    It is inconsistent, but when you fight extreme stupidity, often the only thing that works is to use more stupidity…
     
    Emphasize on stupidity.

    Perhaps there is another reason for that rapprochement.
    The regime in Moscow has one and only one goal: own hold on power (and money of course). Everything else...everything....is negotiable.
    Just a thought.
    , @Erebus


    “The same “hegemon with allies/vassals” as it is now, only in that case divided in three”
     
    Why? There is absolutely nothing about ‘multipolar’ that dictates three, or four ‘hegemons’, or even lists who would the ‘multis’ be. The idea is simply that most people, most of the time are better off left alone.
     
    Peter's is the apocalyptic view made famous by Orwell. He may be right, it may all unravel and Oceania, Eurasia & Eastasia run a classic 3-power calculus of shifting alliances in a struggle for control of the "hinterlands". Not at all impossible, but certainly not what the proponents of the multipolar world want.

    The idea is much more than the notion that most people want to "be left alone". The Multipolar world as it is actually being constructed by its proponents, from its monetary structures to its security, commercial and trade regimes, is precisely the attempt to prevent that Orwellian development in the face of Western decline. Their foundational tenet is that Globalization as a world-historical trend is here to stay (for at least the next few generations), and the "compartmentalization" of the world into alliances and hegemonies as historically occurred is no longer a viable option. The 3 Orwellian powers are all nuclear now, and the #1 priority is to mitigate the risk of war between them. Best to do that by dissolving them into a matrix of commercial and developmental programs that they'd be loathe to destroy.

    EG: Though Russia considers both China and Iran "strategic partners", there is no formal alliance with either of them, and there won't be. Alliances cannot be "forbidden", but the countries that have signed onto the multipolar world program view alliances with suspicion.

    As a introduction to the coming multipolar world, Kupchan's Western-centric analysis is a good place to start: https://www.amazon.com/No-Ones-World-Council-Relations/dp/0199325227
    "Kupchan provides a detailed strategy for striking a bargain between the West and the rising rest by fashioning a new consensus on issues of legitimacy, sovereignty, and governance."

    Assuming he even knows the least thing about what the multipolar world is trying to do, Peter's view is that their attempt will fail. Maybe so.
    To "fashion a new consensus on issues of legitimacy, sovereignty, and governance" requires that the professional criminal class that grabbed the remains of Western power a decade and a half ago has been forced to let go. If not, the world indeed faces an abyss.

    Orwell's vision is but one of the possibilities. Another is Armageddon. Yet another is a "(Failed) West and a multipolar Rest". The latter is what I think will actually happen in the near and medium term. Things being what they are, it may even be the best we can hope for.
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  28. peterAUS says:
    @Beckow

    "The same “hegemon with allies/vassals” as it is now, only in that case divided in three"
     
    Why? There is absolutely nothing about 'multipolar' that dictates three, or four 'hegemons', or even lists who would the 'multis' be. The idea is simply that most people, most of the time are better off left alone.

    Is that so hard to understand? Why should people in Washington (or Moscow, Beijing, Brussels,...) be intimately involved with how others live their lives, with their fights and alliances? Knowledge always dissipates with distance, and most of the 'masters of the universe' are not that smart to start with.

    Multipolar is just that - leave exercise of power and responsibility as close to the local situation as possible. Brussels telling Poland who should be a TV presenter, or Washington deciding what people in rural Hungary should read is idiotic. What's the point of all this busy-body behaviour? It is always justified by some slogans about preventing 'human rights violations'. Right. We have seen the results - a lot more people have died and suffered because of 'humanitarian' interventions than from anything else in the last 20+ years.

    I do find the current rapprochement between Russia and the major Moslem states amusing. It goes beyond Turkey and Iran, Moscow is working all of them, Egypt, Sudan, ... I suspect it is a clever attempt to beat US at its own game - US has spent about four decades arming and unleashing any Islamic force it could find against Russians (and Slavs in general), using methods that were beyond brutal and hypocrisy that eventually backfired. Maybe turning it around is a good strategy. It is inconsistent, but when you fight extreme stupidity, often the only thing that works is to use more stupidity...

    Well…we talked about this very topic several times so far on this site.
    Why not again; probably we’ll restate our positions again soon.

    Why? There is absolutely nothing about ‘multipolar’ that dictates three, or four ‘hegemons’, or even lists who would the ‘multis’ be. The idea is simply that most people, most of the time are better off left alone.

    Maybe.
    Or, as always so far in the history of humankind as soon as one power retreats another steps in.
    Last time it happened during Soviets.
    Germany retreated, Soviets filled the void, all the way up to East Germany.

    Soviets collapsed, The Empire moved in that void up to, as we speak, to Novorossia/Donbass.

    The Empire retreats Russia moves westwards up to and including Baltics (among other places).

    As for China they’ll just get a good grip of all those islands in South. And Taiwan of course.

    Simple.

    Is that so hard to understand? Why should people in Washington (or Moscow, Beijing, Brussels,…) be intimately involved with how others live their lives, with their fights and alliances?

    They shouldn’t but they did/do/will do.
    Russians shouldn’t have raped all those German women. They did. They shouldn’t have really used tank diplomacy in Hungary and Czechoslovakia but they did.
    Hell, they probably should’t have shelled their own Parliament but they did.
    The way of the world.

    Multipolar is just that – leave exercise of power and responsibility as close to the local situation as possible.

    Maybe.
    Or just a smokescreen for West retreat/East advance.

    I do find the current rapprochement between Russia and the major Moslem states amusing.

    A lot of people do.
    Some don’t.
    And I suspect the irony is, Serbs in particular.
    I am sure that Croats don’t either but that’s normal. They don’t like Russians. Serbs, though….
    Makes you think. I mean, those two of all the peoples.
    Hard to say why. Ah, maybe because they are neighbors to the only Muslim sovereign state in Europe. Just a thought.

    I am sure those two, Serbs in particular, are quite happy about:

    It is inconsistent, but when you fight extreme stupidity, often the only thing that works is to use more stupidity…

    Emphasize on stupidity.

    Perhaps there is another reason for that rapprochement.
    The regime in Moscow has one and only one goal: own hold on power (and money of course). Everything else…everything….is negotiable.
    Just a thought.

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    PeterAUS, I'm sure you're paid to bore everyone to death and clog the discussion. Go away.
    , @Beckow

    "Russians shouldn’t have raped all those German women"
     
    Yeah, that's the problem - WWII was all about Russians raping. Not about Germans attacking east and murdering tens of millions. How many Russian women do you think Germans 'raped'? Or maybe they just killed them, 'ubermensch', right. It doesn't seem to bother you and that is sick.

    Or this vignette:


    The regime in Moscow has one and only one goal: own hold on power"
     
    While, of course the 'regimes' in Washington or Berlin spend all their time worrying about the well-being of their citizens. You really cannot be that dumb, or can you?

    I made mistake responding to you, you are hopeless.

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  29. Erebus says:
    @Beckow

    "The same “hegemon with allies/vassals” as it is now, only in that case divided in three"
     
    Why? There is absolutely nothing about 'multipolar' that dictates three, or four 'hegemons', or even lists who would the 'multis' be. The idea is simply that most people, most of the time are better off left alone.

    Is that so hard to understand? Why should people in Washington (or Moscow, Beijing, Brussels,...) be intimately involved with how others live their lives, with their fights and alliances? Knowledge always dissipates with distance, and most of the 'masters of the universe' are not that smart to start with.

    Multipolar is just that - leave exercise of power and responsibility as close to the local situation as possible. Brussels telling Poland who should be a TV presenter, or Washington deciding what people in rural Hungary should read is idiotic. What's the point of all this busy-body behaviour? It is always justified by some slogans about preventing 'human rights violations'. Right. We have seen the results - a lot more people have died and suffered because of 'humanitarian' interventions than from anything else in the last 20+ years.

    I do find the current rapprochement between Russia and the major Moslem states amusing. It goes beyond Turkey and Iran, Moscow is working all of them, Egypt, Sudan, ... I suspect it is a clever attempt to beat US at its own game - US has spent about four decades arming and unleashing any Islamic force it could find against Russians (and Slavs in general), using methods that were beyond brutal and hypocrisy that eventually backfired. Maybe turning it around is a good strategy. It is inconsistent, but when you fight extreme stupidity, often the only thing that works is to use more stupidity...

    “The same “hegemon with allies/vassals” as it is now, only in that case divided in three”

    Why? There is absolutely nothing about ‘multipolar’ that dictates three, or four ‘hegemons’, or even lists who would the ‘multis’ be. The idea is simply that most people, most of the time are better off left alone.

    Peter’s is the apocalyptic view made famous by Orwell. He may be right, it may all unravel and Oceania, Eurasia & Eastasia run a classic 3-power calculus of shifting alliances in a struggle for control of the “hinterlands”. Not at all impossible, but certainly not what the proponents of the multipolar world want.

    The idea is much more than the notion that most people want to “be left alone”. The Multipolar world as it is actually being constructed by its proponents, from its monetary structures to its security, commercial and trade regimes, is precisely the attempt to prevent that Orwellian development in the face of Western decline. Their foundational tenet is that Globalization as a world-historical trend is here to stay (for at least the next few generations), and the “compartmentalization” of the world into alliances and hegemonies as historically occurred is no longer a viable option. The 3 Orwellian powers are all nuclear now, and the #1 priority is to mitigate the risk of war between them. Best to do that by dissolving them into a matrix of commercial and developmental programs that they’d be loathe to destroy.

    EG: Though Russia considers both China and Iran “strategic partners”, there is no formal alliance with either of them, and there won’t be. Alliances cannot be “forbidden”, but the countries that have signed onto the multipolar world program view alliances with suspicion.

    As a introduction to the coming multipolar world, Kupchan’s Western-centric analysis is a good place to start: https://www.amazon.com/No-Ones-World-Council-Relations/dp/0199325227
    “Kupchan provides a detailed strategy for striking a bargain between the West and the rising rest by fashioning a new consensus on issues of legitimacy, sovereignty, and governance.”

    Assuming he even knows the least thing about what the multipolar world is trying to do, Peter’s view is that their attempt will fail. Maybe so.
    To “fashion a new consensus on issues of legitimacy, sovereignty, and governance” requires that the professional criminal class that grabbed the remains of Western power a decade and a half ago has been forced to let go. If not, the world indeed faces an abyss.

    Orwell’s vision is but one of the possibilities. Another is Armageddon. Yet another is a “(Failed) West and a multipolar Rest”. The latter is what I think will actually happen in the near and medium term. Things being what they are, it may even be the best we can hope for.

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    Peter’s is the apocalyptic view made famous by Orwell. He may be right, it may all unravel and Oceania, Eurasia & Eastasia run a classic 3-power calculus of shifting alliances in a struggle for control of the “hinterlands”.
     
    It is.

    Not at all impossible, but certainly not what the proponents of the multipolar world want.
     
    The catch.
    I'd divide this group into two: true believers and power players. True believers do want it. The power players want just...power...in their part of the world. They use the idea and true believers to get it.
    Hasn't the same happened with all great ideas so far?
    "Workers of the world unite"->Kremlin
    "Democracy and human rights"->Washington.

    The Multipolar world as it is actually being constructed by its proponents, from its monetary structures to its security, commercial and trade regimes, is precisely the attempt to prevent that Orwellian development in the face of Western decline.
     
    There is another option, of course. Supranational ruling body, something as that "New World Order" or Globalist vision.

    So, there are actually 4 options:
    Orwelian/Huxley (because no need to impose police state; just breads and circuses/drugs and virtual reality). Who needs that TV in a flat; everybody carries a smart phone. No need to ask people for their most intimate thoughts(?) and feelings, they publish is for all the world to see.
    NWO
    Armageddon.
    Multipolar vision

    A cynic (realist?) would go in that order.
    As you said

    Peter’s view is that their attempt will fail. Maybe so.
     
    , @Beckow

    “(Failed) West and a multipolar Rest”. The latter is what I think will actually happen in the near and medium term.
     
    I think we already have it, except I don't think West has failed yet. Or it has in a way, the process of failing goes on, but the consequences have not been felt much in the West yet.

    I don't see any other power than the West (=US) aspiring to 'manage the world'. Maybe some ISIS fanatics have the same dream, but they are not in a position to achieve it. West has 'managed' it very poorly: mindless interventions, wars, migrants, hypocrisy, threats and blackmail.

    The other 'powers' have very modest, regional aspirations. Russia or China really don't care that much who wins the elections in Portugal, or what regional papers write in Hungary - US seems to be obsessed with it. And the only justification that Western defenders offer when pressed is that 'there would be a vacuum' and 'Russians would move in'. This is obvious nonsense and only elderly paranoid Cold Warrior types believe it (peterAUS?). What is really going on is that West has over-reached and can barely handle its own problems. So they scream 'Russians are coming' to distract, or to prolong the agony. Russians are not coming, they don't care in 2017, they can barely control their huge territory today. More you see squealing and lying in the Western media, more it shows that they have not much else to work with.

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  30. Brzez says:
    @The Scalpel
    "US would have no reason to see an enemy in Russia and vice-versa. In fact, Russia and the US could be ideal partners"

    This is the dream I had when the "wall" came down.

    But instead, I saw that my belief that the US government was a "white knight in shining armor" acting for "truth, justice, and the american way" and to "make the world safe for democracy" was only a dream, a foolish fantasy. I had been deceived.

    I had wanted to be an Army general and was a Distinguished Graduate of the USMA. Now I resigned my commission as an Army officer, took off my uniform, and extended my arm to stop the tanks.

    I hope to live to see the day of a multipolar world in peace. It is possible, but it must come from below. An "American Spring" is essential. I hope my complacent countrymen will see this before it is too late.

    “The white knight in shining armor” actually turned out to be a cowardly greedy coyote who unsuccessfully tried to fit into a stolen somewhere sheep skin.

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  31. @peterAUS
    Well....how about a bit of dissent here:

    Some people do not buy "multipolar world". They see it as carving the current world into three regions ruled by a regional power.
    The same "hegemon with allies/vassals" as it is now, only in that case divided in three.

    I guess that's fine with a lot of people.
    It is not fine with a lot of others.

    So, while Americans, Russian, Chinese, even West Europeans could be O.K. with that, a lot of smaller/small nations around the world would object.

    I'll use Baltics as example.
    At the moment they are a little vassal in US Empire. Should that "multipolar" thing happen they'll be a little vassal in Russian Empire.
    They prefer the current.
    BTW, as Croats, whose General pulled that event. Just ask Croats what they think about multipolar world where they'd be under Russian, ahm..."influence".

    Or Taiwan re China.

    As for who is going to win that race I'd put my money on US, or, even some World supranational ruling entity (say, 60/40).
    Or a mistake by one of the main players and all goes nuclear.

    Now, a bit more from a "little" country perspective.
    Re Praljak suicide and that picture with Putin with.....them...I mean, Iranians and Turks.
    Brabantian wrote a bit about the General.
    What he did not write is that the General was convicted because of HVO (with some help from HV as well) atrocities against MUSLIMS in Bosnia/Herzegovina.
    HVO - Bosnian Croat forces; HV Croatia proper forces.
    I'll repeat....Muslims. Not against Serbs. And there were plenty of those too. And vice versa, of course.

    So, that conviction was/is simply a part of power play there to appease and strengthen Muslims in Bosnia. For those who forgot about Balkans games, Turks and Iranians were supporting Muslims in Bosnia at the time.
    It's interesting to see "alt-right" people liking Muslim sovereign state in Europe.

    Now.....say.....when Croats,in Herzegovina, see the suicide and Putin with both those Muslims.......what would they think about all that "multipolar" world and Russia in particular?
    Maybe: if US weakens Russia will step in->they obviously work together with Muslims->not good for us.
    What do Serbs think in that regard could also be interesting to hear.

    The main weakness of that "multipolar" view is seeing Russia/China as benevolent and US as malevolent player.
    Little players along the perceived borders of influence of major players see all of them malevolent, only with a different degree. Say, if we have to live as a vassal under a malevolent power, which one would be the least bad?
    And many would prefer US to Russia/China.

    Again, go and ask Croats, for example.
    Or any of ex-Warsaw pact country.
    Include Western Ukraine too.

    You make great points about world powers and the beleaguered peoples of small or weaker nations.

    All three world-power governments — USA, China, and Russia — are vicious, untrustworthy, oppressive, restrict individual liberty more than needed for civic order and safety, have utterly corrupt and rigged election or selection systems, waste the earnings of working people on boondoggle projects or graft meant to enrich their donors or party officials, torture and kill peaceful people abroad or at home whenever it suits their interests and they have the power to do so, lie to and manipulate “their” people to achieve desired ends, etc.

    For example, Putin and Russia sound great in some respects FROM AFAR (and he IS a more competent, knowledgeable, and persuasive leader than any US President or euro leader I’ve seen). I have come to respect and sometimes admire Russia, and I see that my country and government are hypocritical in many of our criticisms of Russia, as those apply equally well or even more to us and our recent actions.

    But that’s not how I would feel if I were Croatian or polish, I imagine. If my country were small and bordered Russia, I’d have a logical fear and resentment of Russia. Same as almost anyone in a smaller country in the world justifiably fears and resents the US government, elites, and military currently. They know they are never safe with evil people in control of large powers like the USA, china, etc.

    And I wouldn’t want to live in Russia, or be forced to live under Russian rule, and sure as Hell not China. None of us in the West should have illusions about the level of freedom, the standard of living, or the level of corruption in Russia or China, or anywhere that at times seems less bad than our government has led us to believe.

    Conversely, we in the West ought to ratchet down our endless invasions, bombings, sanctions, and threats against people who are no threat to us if we merely maintain military strength and vigilance on and around our territory.

    We ought to reform and reduce our own frightening and wasteful welfare/warfare/surveillance State instead of harping on Russia and pretending that we are still the prosperous, solvent, stable, unified, mostly-free country that we used to be.

    Smaller or weaker people probably will always end up controlled, ruled, pushed aside, or destroyed by larger powers, whether the USA or USSR or Russia or China or even India. Human beings just cannot be trusted with coercive power over other human beings, no matter what their race or supposed religion.

    But a world where no one power is effectively unchallenged, is generally even worse. You’re right that multipolarity is cold comfort for smaller countries and peoples, but under most circumstances it seems potentially somewhat less bad than a unipolar world.

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    Well...I guess we are totally on the same page here.
    My thoughts exactly.

    This requires a proper reply:


    Conversely, we in the West ought to ratchet down our endless invasions, bombings, sanctions, and threats against people who are no threat to us if we merely maintain military strength and vigilance on and around our territory.

    We ought to reform and reduce our own frightening and wasteful welfare/warfare/surveillance State instead of harping on Russia and pretending that we are still the prosperous, solvent, stable, unified, mostly-free country that we used to be.
     

    Agree, of course.
    What needs reforming is United States; the rest of West will line up in a second.
    As it looks now.......doesn't seem like it.
    I guess my position is cynical: there are three bad entities. I must live under one of them. I choose United States. Not because it's good but it's better than those other two.
    As I keep using an analogy: I live and prefer to live under Twyin Lannister. Not good and getting worse, but, still preferable to living under Rose Bolton or Slavers Bay.

    Now, the important part (because, who really cares what I wish or not).
    What has transpired to be BAD is this latest "Trump effort".
    I say...BAD because I am surprised by incompetence of Trump power base.
    Terrible incompetence.

    The situation as it is now resembles, a lot, years before WW1.
    I am absolutely positive that in absence of MAD we'd have had already a big war with Russia somewhere in Europe. Or China somewhere along the North Korea axis.

    There is, IMHO, an inherent logic in what's happening as we speak.
    That logic is likely to create an incident with use of nuclear weapons.
    What happens after that incident I can't speculate about.

    When one looks at current leadership in West I am not optimistic.
    At the other hand, there is a chance that the possibility could create a positive movement to prevent that and reorganize the world as it is.

    There is nothing new, actually, now in the world. The very same game has been played since Babylon.
    The only difference is nuclear Armageddon.

    But, who cares about that, eh?
    I gotta get my new smart phone and upload my selfies on the Facebook.
    Talk later.....

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  32. @neutral

    Too much depends on China, and I don’t trust them.
     
    I trust them more than others, China pushes no global ideology and its ruling party is communist in name only.

    They will do anything to anyone in order to benefit Han Chinese people by garnering for them land for living, land for crops, mineral resources, clean water, wealth, and the domination of more of the world by their culture. Anything. Without hesitation or remorse. With China, it is just a question of when they will feel powerful enough vis a Vis Russia and the USA and India to take and impose much more forcefully.

    Trusting China or the Chinese is naive as Hell. (Of course, the same goes for the US government, and they don’t even TRY to benefit the masses of their own people, especially European-Americans a/k/a Americans. Quite the opposite.)

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    We probably try to dominate economically and materially, but not culturally. We aren't really ito cultural imperialism that is the American's game.
    , @Frankie P
    It has been argued convincingly that the current geographical boundaries of China are pretty much the same as they were in the 1700s, or even earlier, although we all know that China was conquered repeatedly (Mongols, Manchu) before assimilating the conquerors and making them culturally Chinese. Curious ability these Middle Kingdom folks have! Their civilization, existing pretty much continuously far longer than any other known to man, features such cultural depth that its military conquerors are subsequently conquered by it culturally and assimilate to it. It has also been argued persuasively that the tributary system employed by this Chinese civilization throughout its history is much better suited to the modern world than the western system of extractive colonialism and the current US Empire's neo-colonialism. I strongly disagree with your assessment that the Chinese will do anything to claim more land for the Han people. The idea that China would try to take land to its north (Mongolia/Russia), west (Central Asian Republics/India), south (Burma, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia) or east (Philippines, Japan, Korea) is preposterous. Notice that I fail to mention my home, Taiwan, for I realize that China considers it a part of their historical nation/civilization. China will seek close trade and political relations with these nations, with the understanding that China is the regional power, deserving of a certain amount of respect and special tribute. When the economies of these satellite nations are completely dependent on that of big brother China, they will make the right decisions for their own people, as China does, as Russia does, as Iran does. The US and western Europe do NOT make the right decisions for their people. And so they will disappear from the pages of history, slowly.
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  33. @RadicalCenter
    They will do anything to anyone in order to benefit Han Chinese people by garnering for them land for living, land for crops, mineral resources, clean water, wealth, and the domination of more of the world by their culture. Anything. Without hesitation or remorse. With China, it is just a question of when they will feel powerful enough vis a Vis Russia and the USA and India to take and impose much more forcefully.

    Trusting China or the Chinese is naive as Hell. (Of course, the same goes for the US government, and they don't even TRY to benefit the masses of their own people, especially European-Americans a/k/a Americans. Quite the opposite.)

    We probably try to dominate economically and materially, but not culturally. We aren’t really ito cultural imperialism that is the American’s game.

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    The Uighurs and Tibetans will be glad to hear that. And surprised.
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  34. peterAUS says:
    @Erebus


    “The same “hegemon with allies/vassals” as it is now, only in that case divided in three”
     
    Why? There is absolutely nothing about ‘multipolar’ that dictates three, or four ‘hegemons’, or even lists who would the ‘multis’ be. The idea is simply that most people, most of the time are better off left alone.
     
    Peter's is the apocalyptic view made famous by Orwell. He may be right, it may all unravel and Oceania, Eurasia & Eastasia run a classic 3-power calculus of shifting alliances in a struggle for control of the "hinterlands". Not at all impossible, but certainly not what the proponents of the multipolar world want.

    The idea is much more than the notion that most people want to "be left alone". The Multipolar world as it is actually being constructed by its proponents, from its monetary structures to its security, commercial and trade regimes, is precisely the attempt to prevent that Orwellian development in the face of Western decline. Their foundational tenet is that Globalization as a world-historical trend is here to stay (for at least the next few generations), and the "compartmentalization" of the world into alliances and hegemonies as historically occurred is no longer a viable option. The 3 Orwellian powers are all nuclear now, and the #1 priority is to mitigate the risk of war between them. Best to do that by dissolving them into a matrix of commercial and developmental programs that they'd be loathe to destroy.

    EG: Though Russia considers both China and Iran "strategic partners", there is no formal alliance with either of them, and there won't be. Alliances cannot be "forbidden", but the countries that have signed onto the multipolar world program view alliances with suspicion.

    As a introduction to the coming multipolar world, Kupchan's Western-centric analysis is a good place to start: https://www.amazon.com/No-Ones-World-Council-Relations/dp/0199325227
    "Kupchan provides a detailed strategy for striking a bargain between the West and the rising rest by fashioning a new consensus on issues of legitimacy, sovereignty, and governance."

    Assuming he even knows the least thing about what the multipolar world is trying to do, Peter's view is that their attempt will fail. Maybe so.
    To "fashion a new consensus on issues of legitimacy, sovereignty, and governance" requires that the professional criminal class that grabbed the remains of Western power a decade and a half ago has been forced to let go. If not, the world indeed faces an abyss.

    Orwell's vision is but one of the possibilities. Another is Armageddon. Yet another is a "(Failed) West and a multipolar Rest". The latter is what I think will actually happen in the near and medium term. Things being what they are, it may even be the best we can hope for.

    Peter’s is the apocalyptic view made famous by Orwell. He may be right, it may all unravel and Oceania, Eurasia & Eastasia run a classic 3-power calculus of shifting alliances in a struggle for control of the “hinterlands”.

    It is.

    Not at all impossible, but certainly not what the proponents of the multipolar world want.

    The catch.
    I’d divide this group into two: true believers and power players. True believers do want it. The power players want just…power…in their part of the world. They use the idea and true believers to get it.
    Hasn’t the same happened with all great ideas so far?
    “Workers of the world unite”->Kremlin
    “Democracy and human rights”->Washington.

    The Multipolar world as it is actually being constructed by its proponents, from its monetary structures to its security, commercial and trade regimes, is precisely the attempt to prevent that Orwellian development in the face of Western decline.

    There is another option, of course. Supranational ruling body, something as that “New World Order” or Globalist vision.

    So, there are actually 4 options:
    Orwelian/Huxley (because no need to impose police state; just breads and circuses/drugs and virtual reality). Who needs that TV in a flat; everybody carries a smart phone. No need to ask people for their most intimate thoughts(?) and feelings, they publish is for all the world to see.
    NWO
    Armageddon.
    Multipolar vision

    A cynic (realist?) would go in that order.
    As you said

    Peter’s view is that their attempt will fail. Maybe so.

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    In the long run it is either NWO or total annihilation of life. The multipolar option is unstable, and can only be of relatively short term, a stepping stone to one or the other long term destinations.

    The NWO can be initially in the form of fake federalism followed by democratic federalism. It can come about in various ways.

    A worldwide American empire will lead to its global subjects demanding ‘interference’ in the way they are ruled.

    A multipolar world eventually leading to NWO, or Armageddon.

    A climate catastrophe forcing the birth of NWO or end of life.
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  35. peterAUS says:
    @RadicalCenter
    You make great points about world powers and the beleaguered peoples of small or weaker nations.

    All three world-power governments -- USA, China, and Russia -- are vicious, untrustworthy, oppressive, restrict individual liberty more than needed for civic order and safety, have utterly corrupt and rigged election or selection systems, waste the earnings of working people on boondoggle projects or graft meant to enrich their donors or party officials, torture and kill peaceful people abroad or at home whenever it suits their interests and they have the power to do so, lie to and manipulate "their" people to achieve desired ends, etc.

    For example, Putin and Russia sound great in some respects FROM AFAR (and he IS a more competent, knowledgeable, and persuasive leader than any US President or euro leader I've seen). I have come to respect and sometimes admire Russia, and I see that my country and government are hypocritical in many of our criticisms of Russia, as those apply equally well or even more to us and our recent actions.

    But that's not how I would feel if I were Croatian or polish, I imagine. If my country were small and bordered Russia, I'd have a logical fear and resentment of Russia. Same as almost anyone in a smaller country in the world justifiably fears and resents the US government, elites, and military currently. They know they are never safe with evil people in control of large powers like the USA, china, etc.

    And I wouldn't want to live in Russia, or be forced to live under Russian rule, and sure as Hell not China. None of us in the West should have illusions about the level of freedom, the standard of living, or the level of corruption in Russia or China, or anywhere that at times seems less bad than our government has led us to believe.

    Conversely, we in the West ought to ratchet down our endless invasions, bombings, sanctions, and threats against people who are no threat to us if we merely maintain military strength and vigilance on and around our territory.

    We ought to reform and reduce our own frightening and wasteful welfare/warfare/surveillance State instead of harping on Russia and pretending that we are still the prosperous, solvent, stable, unified, mostly-free country that we used to be.

    Smaller or weaker people probably will always end up controlled, ruled, pushed aside, or destroyed by larger powers, whether the USA or USSR or Russia or China or even India. Human beings just cannot be trusted with coercive power over other human beings, no matter what their race or supposed religion.

    But a world where no one power is effectively unchallenged, is generally even worse. You're right that multipolarity is cold comfort for smaller countries and peoples, but under most circumstances it seems potentially somewhat less bad than a unipolar world.

    Well…I guess we are totally on the same page here.
    My thoughts exactly.

    This requires a proper reply:

    Conversely, we in the West ought to ratchet down our endless invasions, bombings, sanctions, and threats against people who are no threat to us if we merely maintain military strength and vigilance on and around our territory.

    We ought to reform and reduce our own frightening and wasteful welfare/warfare/surveillance State instead of harping on Russia and pretending that we are still the prosperous, solvent, stable, unified, mostly-free country that we used to be.

    Agree, of course.
    What needs reforming is United States; the rest of West will line up in a second.
    As it looks now…….doesn’t seem like it.
    I guess my position is cynical: there are three bad entities. I must live under one of them. I choose United States. Not because it’s good but it’s better than those other two.
    As I keep using an analogy: I live and prefer to live under Twyin Lannister. Not good and getting worse, but, still preferable to living under Rose Bolton or Slavers Bay.

    Now, the important part (because, who really cares what I wish or not).
    What has transpired to be BAD is this latest “Trump effort”.
    I say…BAD because I am surprised by incompetence of Trump power base.
    Terrible incompetence.

    The situation as it is now resembles, a lot, years before WW1.
    I am absolutely positive that in absence of MAD we’d have had already a big war with Russia somewhere in Europe. Or China somewhere along the North Korea axis.

    There is, IMHO, an inherent logic in what’s happening as we speak.
    That logic is likely to create an incident with use of nuclear weapons.
    What happens after that incident I can’t speculate about.

    When one looks at current leadership in West I am not optimistic.
    At the other hand, there is a chance that the possibility could create a positive movement to prevent that and reorganize the world as it is.

    There is nothing new, actually, now in the world. The very same game has been played since Babylon.
    The only difference is nuclear Armageddon.

    But, who cares about that, eh?
    I gotta get my new smart phone and upload my selfies on the Facebook.
    Talk later…..

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    I guess my position is cynical: there are three bad entities. I must live under one of them. I choose United States. Not because it’s good but it’s better than those other two.
     
    Solid.

    Perhaps our skepticism of the new "multi-polar" world is not warranted. They could just build upon the phenomenal success of the UN, not to mention the EU.
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  36. Blunt says:
    @peterAUS
    Well...we talked about this very topic several times so far on this site.
    Why not again; probably we'll restate our positions again soon.

    Why? There is absolutely nothing about ‘multipolar’ that dictates three, or four ‘hegemons’, or even lists who would the ‘multis’ be. The idea is simply that most people, most of the time are better off left alone.
     
    Maybe.
    Or, as always so far in the history of humankind as soon as one power retreats another steps in.
    Last time it happened during Soviets.
    Germany retreated, Soviets filled the void, all the way up to East Germany.

    Soviets collapsed, The Empire moved in that void up to, as we speak, to Novorossia/Donbass.

    The Empire retreats Russia moves westwards up to and including Baltics (among other places).

    As for China they'll just get a good grip of all those islands in South. And Taiwan of course.

    Simple.

    Is that so hard to understand? Why should people in Washington (or Moscow, Beijing, Brussels,…) be intimately involved with how others live their lives, with their fights and alliances?
     
    They shouldn't but they did/do/will do.
    Russians shouldn't have raped all those German women. They did. They shouldn't have really used tank diplomacy in Hungary and Czechoslovakia but they did.
    Hell, they probably should't have shelled their own Parliament but they did.
    The way of the world.

    Multipolar is just that – leave exercise of power and responsibility as close to the local situation as possible.
     
    Maybe.
    Or just a smokescreen for West retreat/East advance.

    I do find the current rapprochement between Russia and the major Moslem states amusing.
     
    A lot of people do.
    Some don't.
    And I suspect the irony is, Serbs in particular.
    I am sure that Croats don't either but that's normal. They don't like Russians. Serbs, though....
    Makes you think. I mean, those two of all the peoples.
    Hard to say why. Ah, maybe because they are neighbors to the only Muslim sovereign state in Europe. Just a thought.

    I am sure those two, Serbs in particular, are quite happy about:

    It is inconsistent, but when you fight extreme stupidity, often the only thing that works is to use more stupidity…
     
    Emphasize on stupidity.

    Perhaps there is another reason for that rapprochement.
    The regime in Moscow has one and only one goal: own hold on power (and money of course). Everything else...everything....is negotiable.
    Just a thought.

    PeterAUS, I’m sure you’re paid to bore everyone to death and clog the discussion. Go away.

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  37. Beckow says:
    @peterAUS
    Well...we talked about this very topic several times so far on this site.
    Why not again; probably we'll restate our positions again soon.

    Why? There is absolutely nothing about ‘multipolar’ that dictates three, or four ‘hegemons’, or even lists who would the ‘multis’ be. The idea is simply that most people, most of the time are better off left alone.
     
    Maybe.
    Or, as always so far in the history of humankind as soon as one power retreats another steps in.
    Last time it happened during Soviets.
    Germany retreated, Soviets filled the void, all the way up to East Germany.

    Soviets collapsed, The Empire moved in that void up to, as we speak, to Novorossia/Donbass.

    The Empire retreats Russia moves westwards up to and including Baltics (among other places).

    As for China they'll just get a good grip of all those islands in South. And Taiwan of course.

    Simple.

    Is that so hard to understand? Why should people in Washington (or Moscow, Beijing, Brussels,…) be intimately involved with how others live their lives, with their fights and alliances?
     
    They shouldn't but they did/do/will do.
    Russians shouldn't have raped all those German women. They did. They shouldn't have really used tank diplomacy in Hungary and Czechoslovakia but they did.
    Hell, they probably should't have shelled their own Parliament but they did.
    The way of the world.

    Multipolar is just that – leave exercise of power and responsibility as close to the local situation as possible.
     
    Maybe.
    Or just a smokescreen for West retreat/East advance.

    I do find the current rapprochement between Russia and the major Moslem states amusing.
     
    A lot of people do.
    Some don't.
    And I suspect the irony is, Serbs in particular.
    I am sure that Croats don't either but that's normal. They don't like Russians. Serbs, though....
    Makes you think. I mean, those two of all the peoples.
    Hard to say why. Ah, maybe because they are neighbors to the only Muslim sovereign state in Europe. Just a thought.

    I am sure those two, Serbs in particular, are quite happy about:

    It is inconsistent, but when you fight extreme stupidity, often the only thing that works is to use more stupidity…
     
    Emphasize on stupidity.

    Perhaps there is another reason for that rapprochement.
    The regime in Moscow has one and only one goal: own hold on power (and money of course). Everything else...everything....is negotiable.
    Just a thought.

    “Russians shouldn’t have raped all those German women”

    Yeah, that’s the problem – WWII was all about Russians raping. Not about Germans attacking east and murdering tens of millions. How many Russian women do you think Germans ‘raped’? Or maybe they just killed them, ‘ubermensch’, right. It doesn’t seem to bother you and that is sick.

    Or this vignette:

    The regime in Moscow has one and only one goal: own hold on power”

    While, of course the ‘regimes’ in Washington or Berlin spend all their time worrying about the well-being of their citizens. You really cannot be that dumb, or can you?

    I made mistake responding to you, you are hopeless.

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    Yeah, that’s the problem – WWII was all about Russians raping. Not about Germans attacking east and murdering tens of millions. How many Russian women do you think Germans ‘raped’? Or maybe they just killed them, ‘ubermensch’, right. It doesn’t seem to bother you and that is sick.
     
    Interesting.

    Is it possible to see BOTH as bad?
    You know...Germans raping Russian women --->bad?
    Russians raping German women --->bad?

    Or it has to be one way or another?

    Some people would find that....weird.
    But, I agree with you, not most people. Complicates things. Keep it simple. One side all bad; the opposite side all good.


    While, of course the ‘regimes’ in Washington or Berlin spend all their time worrying about the well-being of their citizens.
     
    How about ALL those regimes (Washington, Berlin, Moscow) first and foremost care about own survival and own success (power/money)? Their own citizen don't count much.
    Or, it has to be Washington , Berlin...whatever bad....and Moscow good ?

    You really cannot be that dumb, or can you?

    I made mistake responding to you, you are hopeless.
     

    Share the sentiment.
    , @yurivku
    For some reason I can't just put AGREE so I do it here. This peter is hopeless, but typical, guys like him are the main reason us to write all this now. Hopeless ...
    , @Cyrano
    I still think that the Germans got off cheaply. You can’t blame the Russians for swimming few laps in the German gene pool – if you catch my drift. I think that their favorite swimming style was butterfly – or maybe that’s the feeling the German women usually got in their bellies (butterflies) whenever they saw the handsome features of the Russians.

    In the end the Germans should be thankful that the Russians didn’t concubinse the entire German female population, although from what I hear the situation wasn’t that far off either.

    I think that “frau komm” should be recognized as the most successful pick up line in history. At the same time the Russians soldiers should be applauded for investing their time in learning the difficult German language in order to increase their appeal with the German ladies.
    , @FB


    “Russians shouldn’t have raped all those German women”
     
    Yeah, that’s the problem – WWII was all about Russians raping. Not about Germans attacking east and murdering tens of millions. How many Russian women do you think Germans ‘raped’? Or maybe they just killed them, ‘ubermensch’, right. It doesn’t seem to bother you and that is sick.
     
    Good Response Beckow...

    The raping of German women is an anti-Russian canard that exists only due to the Russophobia that is part our indoctrination in the West...

    Considering what the Germans did to Russian women...children...old folks...and just about any civilian peasant they encountered along their march to Moscow...it is quite a miracle of restraint that the victorious Russian soldiers showed when they entered Germany...

    There is an excellent documentary series on the war here...Russian produced but narrated in English...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhXKlYnSWjA&list=PLmTuI5NKGvmt5zUCjA63B28Yy38A05EHf
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  38. peterAUS says:

    PeterAUS, I’m sure you’re paid to bore everyone to death and clog the discussion.

    You could be right there.

    If that bothers you I have a solution: as soon as you see my handle just, fast, skip over my post.
    Simple.
    I do it all the time with a lot of people around. Actually, I read regularly less than 10 of them. And don’t even agree with most of them.

    If what bothers you, actually, is a little dissent in this, mostly, echo chamber there, not sorry about it. This site is still good to allow that. For how long is another matter, of course.

    Go away.

    I won’t.
    What are you going to do about that?
    Or, better, what would you do if you owned this site? Enlighten us, please.

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  39. Beckow says:
    @Erebus


    “The same “hegemon with allies/vassals” as it is now, only in that case divided in three”
     
    Why? There is absolutely nothing about ‘multipolar’ that dictates three, or four ‘hegemons’, or even lists who would the ‘multis’ be. The idea is simply that most people, most of the time are better off left alone.
     
    Peter's is the apocalyptic view made famous by Orwell. He may be right, it may all unravel and Oceania, Eurasia & Eastasia run a classic 3-power calculus of shifting alliances in a struggle for control of the "hinterlands". Not at all impossible, but certainly not what the proponents of the multipolar world want.

    The idea is much more than the notion that most people want to "be left alone". The Multipolar world as it is actually being constructed by its proponents, from its monetary structures to its security, commercial and trade regimes, is precisely the attempt to prevent that Orwellian development in the face of Western decline. Their foundational tenet is that Globalization as a world-historical trend is here to stay (for at least the next few generations), and the "compartmentalization" of the world into alliances and hegemonies as historically occurred is no longer a viable option. The 3 Orwellian powers are all nuclear now, and the #1 priority is to mitigate the risk of war between them. Best to do that by dissolving them into a matrix of commercial and developmental programs that they'd be loathe to destroy.

    EG: Though Russia considers both China and Iran "strategic partners", there is no formal alliance with either of them, and there won't be. Alliances cannot be "forbidden", but the countries that have signed onto the multipolar world program view alliances with suspicion.

    As a introduction to the coming multipolar world, Kupchan's Western-centric analysis is a good place to start: https://www.amazon.com/No-Ones-World-Council-Relations/dp/0199325227
    "Kupchan provides a detailed strategy for striking a bargain between the West and the rising rest by fashioning a new consensus on issues of legitimacy, sovereignty, and governance."

    Assuming he even knows the least thing about what the multipolar world is trying to do, Peter's view is that their attempt will fail. Maybe so.
    To "fashion a new consensus on issues of legitimacy, sovereignty, and governance" requires that the professional criminal class that grabbed the remains of Western power a decade and a half ago has been forced to let go. If not, the world indeed faces an abyss.

    Orwell's vision is but one of the possibilities. Another is Armageddon. Yet another is a "(Failed) West and a multipolar Rest". The latter is what I think will actually happen in the near and medium term. Things being what they are, it may even be the best we can hope for.

    “(Failed) West and a multipolar Rest”. The latter is what I think will actually happen in the near and medium term.

    I think we already have it, except I don’t think West has failed yet. Or it has in a way, the process of failing goes on, but the consequences have not been felt much in the West yet.

    I don’t see any other power than the West (=US) aspiring to ‘manage the world’. Maybe some ISIS fanatics have the same dream, but they are not in a position to achieve it. West has ‘managed’ it very poorly: mindless interventions, wars, migrants, hypocrisy, threats and blackmail.

    The other ‘powers’ have very modest, regional aspirations. Russia or China really don’t care that much who wins the elections in Portugal, or what regional papers write in Hungary – US seems to be obsessed with it. And the only justification that Western defenders offer when pressed is that ‘there would be a vacuum’ and ‘Russians would move in’. This is obvious nonsense and only elderly paranoid Cold Warrior types believe it (peterAUS?). What is really going on is that West has over-reached and can barely handle its own problems. So they scream ‘Russians are coming’ to distract, or to prolong the agony. Russians are not coming, they don’t care in 2017, they can barely control their huge territory today. More you see squealing and lying in the Western media, more it shows that they have not much else to work with.

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    “(Failed) West and a multipolar Rest”. The latter is what I think will actually happen in the near and medium term.

     

    I think we already have it, except I don’t think West has failed yet. Or it has in a way, the process of failing goes on, but the consequences have not been felt much in the West yet.
     
    Well, exogenous events aside, "decline and fall" is necessarily a process. A series of steps and plateaus is typical. A major step occurred in 2007/8, when the money failed. The bankers, in a frankly heroic display of coordination, propped up the $$$ and the West got a decade long plateau. Things are going wobbly again, financially speaking and I suspect the next step function to occur rather soon. Stays of execution have been exhausted, so it'll be interesting how the West handles it, and how the RoW reacts.
    Europeans have been invited to join the Eurasian Project, to create a continental market from "Lisbon to Vladivostok". Latent dreams of Hegemony hold at least some of their elites back. The USA has also been invited, but its dreams remain much more virile. That is, until Trump who's backers seem to read the writing on the wall better than the Straussians.

    I don’t see any other power than the West (=US) aspiring to ‘manage the world’....
    The other ‘powers’ have very modest, regional aspirations... US seems to be obsessed with it.
     
    The fact is that the rise of the West to global dominance is due to a historical anomaly. It was fuelled (literally) by the discovery and harnessing of the chemical energy embedded in coal (late 18thC) and then oil (late 19thC). The first doubled the population, and as first movers gave the West a running start. The second turned on the afterburners, and population grew >3.5 fold. Again the West led the way. To fuel that ahistorical step-function growth curve, control of resources on a global scale became its civilizational imperative.

    That growth curve has plateaued, and the rest of the world has caught/is catching up developmentally. The resources the West needs aren't going to be available to it in the way they were 100 years ago. Them days is over, for everybody really, but especially for the West because it has depleted its own hi-ROI resources, and both of its means of control (IMF$ System & U$M) of what's left of everybody else's are failing simultaneously. So its plateau will not be flat, or not flat for long between increasingly violent steps.

    The West rode an ahistorical rogue wave of development to a point just short of Global Hegemony. That wave broke, and is now rolling back out into the world leaving the West just short of its civilizational resource requirements. No way to get back on a broken wave. In any case, China now holds the $$$ hammer, and Russia holds the military hammer, and they've now got the surfboard. Both of them, led by historically aware elites, know that Hegemony doesn't work, so will focus on keeping their neck of the woods as stable & prosperous as possible while hell blazes elsewhere.

    What is really going on is that West has over-reached and can barely handle its own problems.
     
    IMHO, what's really going on is that the West's problems are simply symptomatic of what "decline and fall", if not "collapse" looks like from within a failing system. A long time ago I read the diary of a Roman nobleman who in the most matter-of-fact style wrote of exactly the same things Westerners complain about today. How this, that or the other thing no longer works the way it did. For all of his 60+ years, every day was infinitesimally worse than the day before, until finally he decides to pack up his Roman households and move to his estates in Spain. It took 170(iirc) more years of continuous decline until Alaric finally arrived at the Gates of Rome. If wholly due to internal causes, collapse is almost always a slow motion train wreck.
    ...

    ‘there would be a vacuum’ and ‘Russians would move in’. This is obvious nonsense and only elderly paranoid Cold Warrior types believe it (peterAUS?).
     
    Actually, it's just stupid. Cold Warrior or not, the view betrays a deep and abiding ignorance of both history and a large part of what drove the West's hegemonic successes. That both militate against anyone else ever even trying such a thing on a global scale can't be seen if you look at historical developments and the rest of the world through 10' of 1" pipe.
    The idea that Russia wants/needs the Baltics is even more laughable than that it wants/needs the Ukraine or Poland. None of these tarbabies have anything to offer but trouble. Noisome flies on an elephant, it is only if they make themselves more troublesome as outsiders than they would be as vassals would Russia move.
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  40. peterAUS says:
    @Beckow

    "Russians shouldn’t have raped all those German women"
     
    Yeah, that's the problem - WWII was all about Russians raping. Not about Germans attacking east and murdering tens of millions. How many Russian women do you think Germans 'raped'? Or maybe they just killed them, 'ubermensch', right. It doesn't seem to bother you and that is sick.

    Or this vignette:


    The regime in Moscow has one and only one goal: own hold on power"
     
    While, of course the 'regimes' in Washington or Berlin spend all their time worrying about the well-being of their citizens. You really cannot be that dumb, or can you?

    I made mistake responding to you, you are hopeless.

    Yeah, that’s the problem – WWII was all about Russians raping. Not about Germans attacking east and murdering tens of millions. How many Russian women do you think Germans ‘raped’? Or maybe they just killed them, ‘ubermensch’, right. It doesn’t seem to bother you and that is sick.

    Interesting.

    Is it possible to see BOTH as bad?
    You know…Germans raping Russian women —>bad?
    Russians raping German women —>bad?

    Or it has to be one way or another?

    Some people would find that….weird.
    But, I agree with you, not most people. Complicates things. Keep it simple. One side all bad; the opposite side all good.

    While, of course the ‘regimes’ in Washington or Berlin spend all their time worrying about the well-being of their citizens.

    How about ALL those regimes (Washington, Berlin, Moscow) first and foremost care about own survival and own success (power/money)? Their own citizen don’t count much.
    Or, it has to be Washington , Berlin…whatever bad….and Moscow good ?

    You really cannot be that dumb, or can you?

    I made mistake responding to you, you are hopeless.

    Share the sentiment.

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    Is it possible to see BOTH as bad
     
    You only mentioned one. You always only mention one, the same one.

    To be fair, Germans started the war and killed a lot more people in the east. They deserved what they got.


    how about ALL those regimes (Washington, Berlin, Moscow) first and foremost care about own survival and own success
     
    You say that now because you got caught - again - with a one-sided biased view. If people have to remind you that rules should be applied equally, you are either too far gone or have issues with basic logic. Try to be objective to start with, not after you produce a biased rant and people point it out to you.
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  41. Beckow says:
    @peterAUS

    Yeah, that’s the problem – WWII was all about Russians raping. Not about Germans attacking east and murdering tens of millions. How many Russian women do you think Germans ‘raped’? Or maybe they just killed them, ‘ubermensch’, right. It doesn’t seem to bother you and that is sick.
     
    Interesting.

    Is it possible to see BOTH as bad?
    You know...Germans raping Russian women --->bad?
    Russians raping German women --->bad?

    Or it has to be one way or another?

    Some people would find that....weird.
    But, I agree with you, not most people. Complicates things. Keep it simple. One side all bad; the opposite side all good.


    While, of course the ‘regimes’ in Washington or Berlin spend all their time worrying about the well-being of their citizens.
     
    How about ALL those regimes (Washington, Berlin, Moscow) first and foremost care about own survival and own success (power/money)? Their own citizen don't count much.
    Or, it has to be Washington , Berlin...whatever bad....and Moscow good ?

    You really cannot be that dumb, or can you?

    I made mistake responding to you, you are hopeless.
     

    Share the sentiment.

    Is it possible to see BOTH as bad

    You only mentioned one. You always only mention one, the same one.

    To be fair, Germans started the war and killed a lot more people in the east. They deserved what they got.

    how about ALL those regimes (Washington, Berlin, Moscow) first and foremost care about own survival and own success

    You say that now because you got caught – again – with a one-sided biased view. If people have to remind you that rules should be applied equally, you are either too far gone or have issues with basic logic. Try to be objective to start with, not after you produce a biased rant and people point it out to you.

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    They deserved what they got.
     
    The rapes and such. Mass executions etc. Starvation in POW camps. Etc.

    And other people are"one sided".

    That's the prevalent viewpoint of ..."preachers"....here. Mostly from the East but enough of same types from West too.

    "You are one sided, hence you are this/that/whatever." Implicitly, I am not of course. I am so....smart...good....educated..knowledgeable....so much better than you.
    I don't mind people getting their kicks here, all this "online therapy", kids playground and catering for their complexes. 90 % of Internet presence is just that. Always has been.

    What could be important, though, is how people who monitor all this see this particular "Internet group".
    All this "alt-right" vibe in fact, because, it's pretty much the same everywhere.

    No need to get any concern there. No need to change a bit of what they've been doing. In fact, just keep on the same course.

    And some people can't even see it.
    , @jacques sheete

    To be fair, Germans started the war and killed a lot more people in the east. They deserved what they got.
     
    You call that fair? In reality it's more proof that propaganda works.

    The Germans started the war? Since when?


    “… this entire myth, so prevalent then and even now about Hitler, and about the Japanese, is a tissue of fallacies from beginning to end. Every plank in this nightmare evidence is either completely untrue or not entirely the truth.

    If people should learn this intellectual fraud about Hitler's Germany, then they will begin to ask questions, and searching questions…”

    Murray Rothbard, Revisionism for Our Time
    Mr. Rothbard was an American Jew and an historian of the very highest caliber.
    http://mises.org/daily/2592

     

    Rothbard's claim about Hitler is just as valid for the Kaiser, too.

    So, when will you begin to ask questions?

    Germany did not start either WW. Both were commercial wars, and anti-Bolshie Germany was on the defensive both times. In other words the bank supported Reds stole Russia for themselves, and the Germans tried to avoid a similar fate. Both countries were used to weaken each other so the bankers cold more easily walk in and take them over.

    Any thinking person can understand that the "Big Ones" were instigated by the criminal international banking cartels in order to suppress competition from a developing Germany and to prevent a linking of Germany and Russia which they would not be able to control.

    It should be easy to see that because the same goals are so blatantly obvious today. Fortunately for the rest of us, the banksters actions are encouraging others to unite against them and I hope they lose this time.

    , @FB


    Is it possible to see BOTH as bad
     
    You only mentioned one. You always only mention one, the same one.
     
    Don't fret too much about our friend Peter...you see... his development of moral logic appears to have been stunted along the road to adulthood...

    He does not appear capable of distinguishing between shades of 'bad'...

    As in rape is more bad than murder...and even within murder there are 'degrees' of badness...

    Certainly if I take a dump in front of your door this is 'bad'...but if I did that in response to you shooting my dog...which one is more 'bad'...?

    Some would even say that if you shot my dog and I shot you...then even my bigger 'bad' would be 'mitigated' to some degree...

    Of course these things are way beyond the developmental level of our friend Peter from Aus...
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  42. @Third world nationalist
    We probably try to dominate economically and materially, but not culturally. We aren't really ito cultural imperialism that is the American's game.

    The Uighurs and Tibetans will be glad to hear that. And surprised.

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    Uighur and Tibetan language is still very much alive in the autonomous regions, numerically they are also the majority in those regions. The CIA's efforts at subversion have failed and there has been no uprising in these parts.
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  43. @RadicalCenter
    The Uighurs and Tibetans will be glad to hear that. And surprised.

    Uighur and Tibetan language is still very much alive in the autonomous regions, numerically they are also the majority in those regions. The CIA’s efforts at subversion have failed and there has been no uprising in these parts.

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  44. Yee says:

    There’re 56 ethnic groups in China. These 2 groups aren’t the largest minority. Uyghur 4th, Tibetan 8th. There’re more Hui Muslims than Uyghurs, as many Mongols as Tibetans. Why should a few fanatics stirred up by religion leader in 2 groups represent the other 53 minority groups? Or even their own group? Tibetan Buddhists have several branches, Dala is only one of them.

    The only reason there’s trouble in these 2 groups is that Britain and Tsarist Russia wanted them to be in the past, and later the US, Turkey, India joining in.

    It’s pure evil to use religion to gain political power. If there’re really Gods in whatever religion they believe in, those manipulaters would surely rot in their respective hells.

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    Look how fast all these western right wingers become SJWs when it comes to Tibet and Xingjiang. They are against minority rights in their own country and advocate for minority rights in China. In my opinion we should do the same, i'm suddenly begining to see the truth in Black lives matter.
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  45. @Yee
    There're 56 ethnic groups in China. These 2 groups aren't the largest minority. Uyghur 4th, Tibetan 8th. There're more Hui Muslims than Uyghurs, as many Mongols as Tibetans. Why should a few fanatics stirred up by religion leader in 2 groups represent the other 53 minority groups? Or even their own group? Tibetan Buddhists have several branches, Dala is only one of them.

    The only reason there's trouble in these 2 groups is that Britain and Tsarist Russia wanted them to be in the past, and later the US, Turkey, India joining in.

    It's pure evil to use religion to gain political power. If there're really Gods in whatever religion they believe in, those manipulaters would surely rot in their respective hells.

    Look how fast all these western right wingers become SJWs when it comes to Tibet and Xingjiang. They are against minority rights in their own country and advocate for minority rights in China. In my opinion we should do the same, i’m suddenly begining to see the truth in Black lives matter.

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    Tibet and Xinjiang are bugaboos brought up by SJWs who've never been there, know none of their history, or a jot about what's going on on the ground. At best, their arguments are just another case of "Whataboutism", at worst, just trolling.

    It may be useful to the wider audience to hear a rebuttal to their nonsense, so I encourage you continue, but otherwise Fuggedaboud'em. You might as well be talking to your hand.
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  46. peterAUS says:
    @Beckow

    Is it possible to see BOTH as bad
     
    You only mentioned one. You always only mention one, the same one.

    To be fair, Germans started the war and killed a lot more people in the east. They deserved what they got.


    how about ALL those regimes (Washington, Berlin, Moscow) first and foremost care about own survival and own success
     
    You say that now because you got caught - again - with a one-sided biased view. If people have to remind you that rules should be applied equally, you are either too far gone or have issues with basic logic. Try to be objective to start with, not after you produce a biased rant and people point it out to you.

    They deserved what they got.

    The rapes and such. Mass executions etc. Starvation in POW camps. Etc.

    And other people are”one sided“.

    That’s the prevalent viewpoint of …”preachers“….here. Mostly from the East but enough of same types from West too.

    “You are one sided, hence you are this/that/whatever.” Implicitly, I am not of course. I am so….smart…good….educated..knowledgeable….so much better than you.
    I don’t mind people getting their kicks here, all this “online therapy“, kids playground and catering for their complexes. 90 % of Internet presence is just that. Always has been.

    What could be important, though, is how people who monitor all this see this particular “Internet group”.
    All this “alt-right” vibe in fact, because, it’s pretty much the same everywhere.

    No need to get any concern there. No need to change a bit of what they’ve been doing. In fact, just keep on the same course.

    And some people can’t even see it.

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  47. Yee says:

    I found it funny when I heard that there’s a dish in every Chinese restaurant in America that named after General Zuo Zong Tang, who put down Uyghur revolt in 1876.
    LOL

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  48. Vidi says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    their only credible defence in the event of open warfare is their nuclear arsenal
     
    Sir, don't repeat discredited propaganda memes. If you don't trust me, which is fine, read opinion on the man who has decades of working and serving with this very NATO, not to mention his deep knowledge on military-diplomatic terms of Russia.

    https://patrickarmstrong.ca/2017/11/23/nato-a-dangerous-paper-tiger/

    In fact, it is the United States who is the most likely user of its nuclear arsenal and it has nothing to do with Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombing.

    From Patrick Armstrong’s article (a good one, by the way):

    A Russian threat is good for business: there’s poor money in a threat made of IEDs, bomb vests and small arms. Big profits require big threats.

    Actually, I’d say the Russian threat is necessary to keep the Europeans too frightened to protest while the U.S. steals wealth from them. After all, when the U.S. imports goods and “pays” for them with printed money, it is basically stealing those goods. The U.S. is draining a lot of wealth from Europe (like $150 billion a year), so something must be done to keep them docile. Russia’s perfect for that.

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    Actually, I’d say the Russian threat is necessary to keep the Europeans too frightened to protest ...
     
    True.

    All these "threats" help keep the dozing 'Merkin populace in thrall to the parasites too . Keeps their wallets open as well. They think they need the "protection."

    The US military is a pretty standard protection racket for sure. The interesting thing is that many of the anti-federalists warned us of just such a danger. MG Butler did as well.

    “… I spent most of my [33 years in the Marine Corps] being a high class muscle- man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers.

    In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for [crony] capitalism.”

    Major General Butler USMC, War is a Racket, 1935

    http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html
     
    , @Beckow

    "U.S. imports goods and “pays” for them with printed money, it is basically stealing those goods"
     
    Yes, that's technically true. But as with lying, it takes two to do it. A lier needs a willing accomplice to lie to, and a scam with fiat money also requires two sides to do the transactions. US has invested a lot (of that same printed money) to buy itself elite loyalty in Europe. It is the core of the system - people in Europe who play along get rewarded.

    So it can go on for quite some time. It is a well-thought out system. As with all quasi-pyramide schemes it stops working when it cannot grow more and starts shrinking. That's when people head for the exits. The same positive dynamic that drove it on the way up creates a panic on the way down. We are probably one or two generations away from that point - there is a lot of room to grow left. And all the resistance around the world makes it more stable because it provides a meaning and a sense of boundaries.
    , @silviosilver

    After all, when the U.S. imports goods and “pays” for them with printed money, it is basically stealing those goods.
     
    Um, Europeans also use "printed money."

    Also, the thing about trade is that it's voluntary. Evidently, the Europeans - just like everyone else on earth - is willing to accept dollars, so even if only Americans used "printed money," it still wouldn't amount to theft.
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  49. Erebus says:
    @Beckow

    “(Failed) West and a multipolar Rest”. The latter is what I think will actually happen in the near and medium term.
     
    I think we already have it, except I don't think West has failed yet. Or it has in a way, the process of failing goes on, but the consequences have not been felt much in the West yet.

    I don't see any other power than the West (=US) aspiring to 'manage the world'. Maybe some ISIS fanatics have the same dream, but they are not in a position to achieve it. West has 'managed' it very poorly: mindless interventions, wars, migrants, hypocrisy, threats and blackmail.

    The other 'powers' have very modest, regional aspirations. Russia or China really don't care that much who wins the elections in Portugal, or what regional papers write in Hungary - US seems to be obsessed with it. And the only justification that Western defenders offer when pressed is that 'there would be a vacuum' and 'Russians would move in'. This is obvious nonsense and only elderly paranoid Cold Warrior types believe it (peterAUS?). What is really going on is that West has over-reached and can barely handle its own problems. So they scream 'Russians are coming' to distract, or to prolong the agony. Russians are not coming, they don't care in 2017, they can barely control their huge territory today. More you see squealing and lying in the Western media, more it shows that they have not much else to work with.

    “(Failed) West and a multipolar Rest”. The latter is what I think will actually happen in the near and medium term.

    I think we already have it, except I don’t think West has failed yet. Or it has in a way, the process of failing goes on, but the consequences have not been felt much in the West yet.

    Well, exogenous events aside, “decline and fall” is necessarily a process. A series of steps and plateaus is typical. A major step occurred in 2007/8, when the money failed. The bankers, in a frankly heroic display of coordination, propped up the $$$ and the West got a decade long plateau. Things are going wobbly again, financially speaking and I suspect the next step function to occur rather soon. Stays of execution have been exhausted, so it’ll be interesting how the West handles it, and how the RoW reacts.
    Europeans have been invited to join the Eurasian Project, to create a continental market from “Lisbon to Vladivostok”. Latent dreams of Hegemony hold at least some of their elites back. The USA has also been invited, but its dreams remain much more virile. That is, until Trump who’s backers seem to read the writing on the wall better than the Straussians.

    I don’t see any other power than the West (=US) aspiring to ‘manage the world’….
    The other ‘powers’ have very modest, regional aspirations… US seems to be obsessed with it.

    The fact is that the rise of the West to global dominance is due to a historical anomaly. It was fuelled (literally) by the discovery and harnessing of the chemical energy embedded in coal (late 18thC) and then oil (late 19thC). The first doubled the population, and as first movers gave the West a running start. The second turned on the afterburners, and population grew >3.5 fold. Again the West led the way. To fuel that ahistorical step-function growth curve, control of resources on a global scale became its civilizational imperative.

    That growth curve has plateaued, and the rest of the world has caught/is catching up developmentally. The resources the West needs aren’t going to be available to it in the way they were 100 years ago. Them days is over, for everybody really, but especially for the West because it has depleted its own hi-ROI resources, and both of its means of control (IMF$ System & U$M) of what’s left of everybody else’s are failing simultaneously. So its plateau will not be flat, or not flat for long between increasingly violent steps.

    The West rode an ahistorical rogue wave of development to a point just short of Global Hegemony. That wave broke, and is now rolling back out into the world leaving the West just short of its civilizational resource requirements. No way to get back on a broken wave. In any case, China now holds the $$$ hammer, and Russia holds the military hammer, and they’ve now got the surfboard. Both of them, led by historically aware elites, know that Hegemony doesn’t work, so will focus on keeping their neck of the woods as stable & prosperous as possible while hell blazes elsewhere.

    What is really going on is that West has over-reached and can barely handle its own problems.

    IMHO, what’s really going on is that the West’s problems are simply symptomatic of what “decline and fall”, if not “collapse” looks like from within a failing system. A long time ago I read the diary of a Roman nobleman who in the most matter-of-fact style wrote of exactly the same things Westerners complain about today. How this, that or the other thing no longer works the way it did. For all of his 60+ years, every day was infinitesimally worse than the day before, until finally he decides to pack up his Roman households and move to his estates in Spain. It took 170(iirc) more years of continuous decline until Alaric finally arrived at the Gates of Rome. If wholly due to internal causes, collapse is almost always a slow motion train wreck.

    ‘there would be a vacuum’ and ‘Russians would move in’. This is obvious nonsense and only elderly paranoid Cold Warrior types believe it (peterAUS?).

    Actually, it’s just stupid. Cold Warrior or not, the view betrays a deep and abiding ignorance of both history and a large part of what drove the West’s hegemonic successes. That both militate against anyone else ever even trying such a thing on a global scale can’t be seen if you look at historical developments and the rest of the world through 10′ of 1″ pipe.
    The idea that Russia wants/needs the Baltics is even more laughable than that it wants/needs the Ukraine or Poland. None of these tarbabies have anything to offer but trouble. Noisome flies on an elephant, it is only if they make themselves more troublesome as outsiders than they would be as vassals would Russia move.

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    Damn, yer good!

    I try not to think about this...:


    Them days is over, for everybody really, but especially for the West because it has depleted its own hi-ROI resources...
     
    The waste sickens me to no end. Unimaginably vast quantities frittered away for no good reason. Utter stupidity has ruled for a very long time.

    Both of them, led by historically aware elites, know that Hegemony doesn’t work, so will focus on keeping their neck of the woods as stable & prosperous as possible while hell blazes elsewhere.
     
    I hope you're correct, and I do admire their restraint and true statesmanship. What a contrast between true class and pure Bozoism.
    , @nsa
    The Twelve Caesars by the Roman historian, Suetonius, is worth a read if anyone is interested in what a decaying republic looks like as it morphs into overtly despotic autocratic rule. The similarities to today are eerie. The great threatening boogie man at the time was Persia. And the conniving jooies caused so many problems that Claudius had them all evicted from Rome.....problem solved. Unfortunately, the present crop of despots haven't gotten around to feeding chrissies to lions.........
    , @peterAUS

    The idea that Russia wants/needs the Baltics is even more laughable than that it wants/needs the Ukraine or Poland.
     
    Ah, good to hear that.
    Not for a fact but for a position/opinion.

    Not sure, though, that most of Baltics and Polish people agree with that but who cares.
    Definitely who cares about what most of Ukrainians think about it too.

    All based on history Rusophiles are so fond of heaping upon our heads around.
    Selective history that is and only when it suits them.
    Like, sometimes history is definitely crucial...sometimes it is not, time to forget it and move on.
    "Foreign invasions are fundamental to understand Russian position".
    "Ahh...forget that Baltics and such...that's distant past...Cold warrior senile scares".
    Etc.

    Funny how that "foreign invasion" thing works.
    Perhaps....depending on who's doing the invasion, I guess.
    , @Beckow

    "Things are going wobbly again"
     
    Why do you think so? I think we are about to enter an occasional plateau and things will be stable or even improve for a while.

    The Rome analogies are instructive, but they only take you so far. E.g. Rome was collapsing for about two centuries, on and off. Rome was also infinitely more brutal than today's West and the 'barbarians' were real barbarians, not aspiring migrants led by well-paid NGO comprador class.

    Why do you think it is getting wobbly?
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  50. Erebus says:
    @Third world Nationalist
    Look how fast all these western right wingers become SJWs when it comes to Tibet and Xingjiang. They are against minority rights in their own country and advocate for minority rights in China. In my opinion we should do the same, i'm suddenly begining to see the truth in Black lives matter.

    Tibet and Xinjiang are bugaboos brought up by SJWs who’ve never been there, know none of their history, or a jot about what’s going on on the ground. At best, their arguments are just another case of “Whataboutism”, at worst, just trolling.

    It may be useful to the wider audience to hear a rebuttal to their nonsense, so I encourage you continue, but otherwise Fuggedaboud’em. You might as well be talking to your hand.

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  51. Frankie P says:
    @RadicalCenter
    They will do anything to anyone in order to benefit Han Chinese people by garnering for them land for living, land for crops, mineral resources, clean water, wealth, and the domination of more of the world by their culture. Anything. Without hesitation or remorse. With China, it is just a question of when they will feel powerful enough vis a Vis Russia and the USA and India to take and impose much more forcefully.

    Trusting China or the Chinese is naive as Hell. (Of course, the same goes for the US government, and they don't even TRY to benefit the masses of their own people, especially European-Americans a/k/a Americans. Quite the opposite.)

    It has been argued convincingly that the current geographical boundaries of China are pretty much the same as they were in the 1700s, or even earlier, although we all know that China was conquered repeatedly (Mongols, Manchu) before assimilating the conquerors and making them culturally Chinese. Curious ability these Middle Kingdom folks have! Their civilization, existing pretty much continuously far longer than any other known to man, features such cultural depth that its military conquerors are subsequently conquered by it culturally and assimilate to it. It has also been argued persuasively that the tributary system employed by this Chinese civilization throughout its history is much better suited to the modern world than the western system of extractive colonialism and the current US Empire’s neo-colonialism. I strongly disagree with your assessment that the Chinese will do anything to claim more land for the Han people. The idea that China would try to take land to its north (Mongolia/Russia), west (Central Asian Republics/India), south (Burma, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia) or east (Philippines, Japan, Korea) is preposterous. Notice that I fail to mention my home, Taiwan, for I realize that China considers it a part of their historical nation/civilization. China will seek close trade and political relations with these nations, with the understanding that China is the regional power, deserving of a certain amount of respect and special tribute. When the economies of these satellite nations are completely dependent on that of big brother China, they will make the right decisions for their own people, as China does, as Russia does, as Iran does. The US and western Europe do NOT make the right decisions for their people. And so they will disappear from the pages of history, slowly.

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  52. Vidi says:
    @peterAUS
    Well....how about a bit of dissent here:

    Some people do not buy "multipolar world". They see it as carving the current world into three regions ruled by a regional power.
    The same "hegemon with allies/vassals" as it is now, only in that case divided in three.

    I guess that's fine with a lot of people.
    It is not fine with a lot of others.

    So, while Americans, Russian, Chinese, even West Europeans could be O.K. with that, a lot of smaller/small nations around the world would object.

    I'll use Baltics as example.
    At the moment they are a little vassal in US Empire. Should that "multipolar" thing happen they'll be a little vassal in Russian Empire.
    They prefer the current.
    BTW, as Croats, whose General pulled that event. Just ask Croats what they think about multipolar world where they'd be under Russian, ahm..."influence".

    Or Taiwan re China.

    As for who is going to win that race I'd put my money on US, or, even some World supranational ruling entity (say, 60/40).
    Or a mistake by one of the main players and all goes nuclear.

    Now, a bit more from a "little" country perspective.
    Re Praljak suicide and that picture with Putin with.....them...I mean, Iranians and Turks.
    Brabantian wrote a bit about the General.
    What he did not write is that the General was convicted because of HVO (with some help from HV as well) atrocities against MUSLIMS in Bosnia/Herzegovina.
    HVO - Bosnian Croat forces; HV Croatia proper forces.
    I'll repeat....Muslims. Not against Serbs. And there were plenty of those too. And vice versa, of course.

    So, that conviction was/is simply a part of power play there to appease and strengthen Muslims in Bosnia. For those who forgot about Balkans games, Turks and Iranians were supporting Muslims in Bosnia at the time.
    It's interesting to see "alt-right" people liking Muslim sovereign state in Europe.

    Now.....say.....when Croats,in Herzegovina, see the suicide and Putin with both those Muslims.......what would they think about all that "multipolar" world and Russia in particular?
    Maybe: if US weakens Russia will step in->they obviously work together with Muslims->not good for us.
    What do Serbs think in that regard could also be interesting to hear.

    The main weakness of that "multipolar" view is seeing Russia/China as benevolent and US as malevolent player.
    Little players along the perceived borders of influence of major players see all of them malevolent, only with a different degree. Say, if we have to live as a vassal under a malevolent power, which one would be the least bad?
    And many would prefer US to Russia/China.

    Again, go and ask Croats, for example.
    Or any of ex-Warsaw pact country.
    Include Western Ukraine too.

    Now, a bit more from a “little” country perspective.

    As usual, you are not remotely fair. Many countries have historical grievances against other countries, and you are happy to cite those. However, I don’t see you mention the areas that are benefiting from their association with a major country. For example, the stans in Central Asia can’t wait for China’s Belt and Road to be completed; the legendary cities like Tashkent and Samarkand remember their golden ages when the Silk Road was active, and they can barely wait for it to be revived. And similarly, Crimea was eager to return to Russia; something like 96% of the people voted to join the RF, and they are definitely benefiting from the union. I think your perspective is more than a little lopsided.

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  53. Vidi says:
    @peterAUS
    Well....how about a bit of dissent here:

    Some people do not buy "multipolar world". They see it as carving the current world into three regions ruled by a regional power.
    The same "hegemon with allies/vassals" as it is now, only in that case divided in three.

    I guess that's fine with a lot of people.
    It is not fine with a lot of others.

    So, while Americans, Russian, Chinese, even West Europeans could be O.K. with that, a lot of smaller/small nations around the world would object.

    I'll use Baltics as example.
    At the moment they are a little vassal in US Empire. Should that "multipolar" thing happen they'll be a little vassal in Russian Empire.
    They prefer the current.
    BTW, as Croats, whose General pulled that event. Just ask Croats what they think about multipolar world where they'd be under Russian, ahm..."influence".

    Or Taiwan re China.

    As for who is going to win that race I'd put my money on US, or, even some World supranational ruling entity (say, 60/40).
    Or a mistake by one of the main players and all goes nuclear.

    Now, a bit more from a "little" country perspective.
    Re Praljak suicide and that picture with Putin with.....them...I mean, Iranians and Turks.
    Brabantian wrote a bit about the General.
    What he did not write is that the General was convicted because of HVO (with some help from HV as well) atrocities against MUSLIMS in Bosnia/Herzegovina.
    HVO - Bosnian Croat forces; HV Croatia proper forces.
    I'll repeat....Muslims. Not against Serbs. And there were plenty of those too. And vice versa, of course.

    So, that conviction was/is simply a part of power play there to appease and strengthen Muslims in Bosnia. For those who forgot about Balkans games, Turks and Iranians were supporting Muslims in Bosnia at the time.
    It's interesting to see "alt-right" people liking Muslim sovereign state in Europe.

    Now.....say.....when Croats,in Herzegovina, see the suicide and Putin with both those Muslims.......what would they think about all that "multipolar" world and Russia in particular?
    Maybe: if US weakens Russia will step in->they obviously work together with Muslims->not good for us.
    What do Serbs think in that regard could also be interesting to hear.

    The main weakness of that "multipolar" view is seeing Russia/China as benevolent and US as malevolent player.
    Little players along the perceived borders of influence of major players see all of them malevolent, only with a different degree. Say, if we have to live as a vassal under a malevolent power, which one would be the least bad?
    And many would prefer US to Russia/China.

    Again, go and ask Croats, for example.
    Or any of ex-Warsaw pact country.
    Include Western Ukraine too.

    The main weakness of that “multipolar” view is seeing Russia/China as benevolent and US as malevolent player.

    Considering that the U.S. is currently draining about $150 billion from Europe every year (about 10% of Europe’s GDP), I would say that’s pretty malevolent. Russia and China aren’t doing anything remotely similar.

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    Considering that the U.S. is currently draining about $150 billion from Europe every year (about 10% of Europe’s GDP)
     
    Europe's economy is only $1.5 trillion?
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  54. iffen says:
    @peterAUS
    Well...I guess we are totally on the same page here.
    My thoughts exactly.

    This requires a proper reply:


    Conversely, we in the West ought to ratchet down our endless invasions, bombings, sanctions, and threats against people who are no threat to us if we merely maintain military strength and vigilance on and around our territory.

    We ought to reform and reduce our own frightening and wasteful welfare/warfare/surveillance State instead of harping on Russia and pretending that we are still the prosperous, solvent, stable, unified, mostly-free country that we used to be.
     

    Agree, of course.
    What needs reforming is United States; the rest of West will line up in a second.
    As it looks now.......doesn't seem like it.
    I guess my position is cynical: there are three bad entities. I must live under one of them. I choose United States. Not because it's good but it's better than those other two.
    As I keep using an analogy: I live and prefer to live under Twyin Lannister. Not good and getting worse, but, still preferable to living under Rose Bolton or Slavers Bay.

    Now, the important part (because, who really cares what I wish or not).
    What has transpired to be BAD is this latest "Trump effort".
    I say...BAD because I am surprised by incompetence of Trump power base.
    Terrible incompetence.

    The situation as it is now resembles, a lot, years before WW1.
    I am absolutely positive that in absence of MAD we'd have had already a big war with Russia somewhere in Europe. Or China somewhere along the North Korea axis.

    There is, IMHO, an inherent logic in what's happening as we speak.
    That logic is likely to create an incident with use of nuclear weapons.
    What happens after that incident I can't speculate about.

    When one looks at current leadership in West I am not optimistic.
    At the other hand, there is a chance that the possibility could create a positive movement to prevent that and reorganize the world as it is.

    There is nothing new, actually, now in the world. The very same game has been played since Babylon.
    The only difference is nuclear Armageddon.

    But, who cares about that, eh?
    I gotta get my new smart phone and upload my selfies on the Facebook.
    Talk later.....

    I guess my position is cynical: there are three bad entities. I must live under one of them. I choose United States. Not because it’s good but it’s better than those other two.

    Solid.

    Perhaps our skepticism of the new “multi-polar” world is not warranted. They could just build upon the phenomenal success of the UN, not to mention the EU.

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    Precisely

    I'd add the phenomenal success of Warsaw Pact as well.
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  55. @MarkU
    The financial dynasties which have ruled the western world for the last few centuries are evidently in the final stages of degeneration. Their ancestors were at least intelligent people whatever one might think about their ethics. So far as I am able to tell we are now being ruled by people who only have one notable characteristic, arrogance. They are to the western world what Caligula and Nero were to Rome, poison and delusion. I doubt very much that there will be a happy outcome.

    Inherited wealth on a massive scale is the problem, when individuals are born with enough wealth to confer political influence even over the wealthiest countries, then democracy can only be a sham. Bill Gates (of all people) was on the right track a few years ago when he declared that he was only going to pass down to his descendants enough money to live comfortably for one lifetime. Until some sort of sane cap is placed on inherited wealth then we will continue to be ruled by people with mediocre ability advised by second-rate intellectuals who are prepared to tell them what they want to hear.

    The biggest threat to our continued existence is not the strength of the Russian federation but its weakness. Outspent and outnumbered hugely by the EU alone (whatever the paid liars in Washington say) their only credible defence in the event of open warfare is their nuclear arsenal, we can only hope they never need to use it.

    Many good points there!

    But inheritance is only one of the many routes to wealth. Wealth accumulated in other ways will probably be used in ways disfavorable to the rest of us as well.

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  56. @The Scalpel
    "US would have no reason to see an enemy in Russia and vice-versa. In fact, Russia and the US could be ideal partners"

    This is the dream I had when the "wall" came down.

    But instead, I saw that my belief that the US government was a "white knight in shining armor" acting for "truth, justice, and the american way" and to "make the world safe for democracy" was only a dream, a foolish fantasy. I had been deceived.

    I had wanted to be an Army general and was a Distinguished Graduate of the USMA. Now I resigned my commission as an Army officer, took off my uniform, and extended my arm to stop the tanks.

    I hope to live to see the day of a multipolar world in peace. It is possible, but it must come from below. An "American Spring" is essential. I hope my complacent countrymen will see this before it is too late.

    I had been deceived.

    Almost all of us have been and most continue to be.

    I wish I had a solution.

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  57. @Andrei Martyanov

    This is the dream I had when the “wall” came down.
     
    At that time (early 1990s) this was almost a consensus among many professionals on Russian side that this was possible. By 1999 it became clear that situation degenerated to such a degree that no compromise was possible anymore. Part of it was rooted in the nature of re-emerging genuine Russian state, the lion share, however, was in neocons completely subverting US foreign policy.

    …the lion share, however, was in neocons completely subverting US foreign policy.

    The neocons and their Israeli handlers are nothing more than patsies and front men for the handful of banksters that own and run the world and that’s not to excuse them.

    As far as subverting US foreign policy, the US never really had one that could be called “US.” The foreign policy that’s been acted on has long been that of the international banking gangsters, and the same can be said about US domestic policy. Both have always been in the interest of the money bag ruling classes who’ve never been known for honesty or concerns of justice.

    For example, the US got suckered into fighting both worlds wars (which really should be thought of as one that hasn’t ended yet) where it need never have been involved, got suckered into supporting the gangster state of Israel, and continues to be suckered into acting in self defeating ways, at least from the prol and peasant point of view.

    It’s exceedingly sad that the few who weren’t suckered and spoke out against it were not listened to but instead were mocked ridiculed, smeared, ignored, assassinated, and imprisoned just as they are today.

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  58. Sherman says:

    Hey Andrei

    So the US is falling apart and Russia is an ascendant superpower?

    If things are so lousy here and so great in Russia perhaps you should put your money where your mouth is and purchase a one way airplane ticket from Miami to Moscow.

    Sherm

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    If things are so lousy here and so great in Russia perhaps you should put your money where your mouth is and purchase a one way airplane ticket from Miami to Moscow.
     
    Ey Shoym! Nice ta see ya back!

    Say, weren't you the one who mentioned about how great the opioid epidemic was in booming Scranton? Linh Dinh confirmed it. (See below.) Ain't 'Amerka gweat?
    Anyway, knowing that yer a top stock market dealer and all, I got a hot tip fer ya so's ya won't hafta depend on updrafts in the stock market to fill yer sails. I hear there's big money in collectible antique bottles. Who needs da mawkit anyway? It's for sheep and chumps, doncha know? Hmmm?


    The man on the next stool, Earl, survived Roadway for 38 years. Retired, he can devote more time to his passion for antique bottles. He showed me one, on his phone, that’s shaped like the head of George Washington, “I bought it for $25. It’s worth several hundred.”

    http://www.unz.com/ldinh/postcard-from-the-end-of-america-west-scranton/

     

    Yeah, we're da gweatest. G-d Bless US!

    PS:Anudda tip fer ya! Buy tickets while there're still planes in the air, maybe?

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  59. @yurivku

    Now I resigned my commission as an Army officer, took off my uniform, and extended my arm to stop the tanks.
     
    I took off the uniform of Soviet Army officer more than 30 years ago. Was an officer in anti aircraft division.

    I hope to live to see the day of a multipolar world in peace. It is possible, but it must come from below.
     
    I hope too, but currenly a ball is on your side of a field. We (Russians) actually can't retreat any more. If US will keep its "soft harrasment" the result could be extremly bad. And I see no reason to expect sane behaviour from US establishment. They are insane, what about a majority of american people ? I don't know. But its must "come from below" of US society, not from us, we already did.

    And I see no reason to expect sane behaviour from US establishment.

    You are correct.

    They are insane, what about a majority of american people ?

    About a century ago, the American people were pretty savvy about what was really going on and many good guys fought the good fight and had a lot of popular support, but crooked big money was too cunning, too pervasive and too powerful so it prevailed.

    Today the majority of American people are sleepwalking and for the most part, utterly clueless. What’s really perverse is that it’s mainly people with “degrees” who are the most ignorant and uncaring. They seem to think that because they possess some “degree” and a little more cash than the next guy, that they’re pretty smart and that they have the answers for everything.

    Most people spout the establishment media propaganda and sneer at anyone who questions it. How they can accept the sewage spewed from such obviously vapid (at best), sources is astonishing to me. It’s as if they enjoy being duped, and despite their feelings of self importance and superiority, few have ever learned to question anything, and accept the quackery of authority unreservedly.

    For that, some call me bitter. I call it like I sees it, and it ain’t purdy, and I don’t see much improvement even over the long term.

    “For who can be so tolerant of this monstrous city, who so iron of soul, as to contain himself …?”

    Juvenal, SATIRE I, ~ 100AD

    “Bitter” ain’t the half of it.

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    So we have to prepare to die hard, what else can we do
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  60. chris says:
    @nickels
    Too much depends on China, and I don't trust them.
    The godless money grubbers may chose to ally with the (((Anglos))) and stab Russia in the back just like Russia allied with the (((Brits))) to stab Germany in the back.
    The world pivots on the Yellow Peril.

    That’s a very good point !
    China has a world of natural resources to gain by stabbing Russia in the back, though they run the risk of that eventually being the reason the Empire would subsequently go after them, … assuming we’re not going to get nuclear winter, before “the scalpel’s” “American Spring!”

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  61. Amusing but a standard propaganda trick. Weaken the enemy’s will to resist by claiming that your own side is already certain to win. “Cut your losses while you still have a chance”. No new facts, no new arguments. Just the saem old pro-Putin propaganda. The idea of the Russian gangster state being the nucleus of some high-minded new world order is hilarious. The hysterical tone gives the game away, though. The author clearly sees Putin’s situation as desperate. By the looks of what Putin has been doing lately, so does he! Mention of the Chechens reminds us that the Russian Federation is the last of the European empires. Sooner or later, the peoples of the Caucasus and Siberia have to get their independence. Logically, therefore, why should only the losing country not survive? Mightn’t they both destroy each other and another country (China? The EU? Both?) step into the vacuum? That’s more or less what happened in WWI. Europe destroyed itself as a world force and its place was taken by the US.

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    Amusing but a standard propaganda trick. Weaken the enemy’s will to resist by claiming that your own side is already certain to win. “Cut your losses while you still have a chance”.
     

    The idea of the Russian gangster state being the nucleus of some high-minded new world order is hilarious.
     
    Agree.
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  62. @Beckow

    Is it possible to see BOTH as bad
     
    You only mentioned one. You always only mention one, the same one.

    To be fair, Germans started the war and killed a lot more people in the east. They deserved what they got.


    how about ALL those regimes (Washington, Berlin, Moscow) first and foremost care about own survival and own success
     
    You say that now because you got caught - again - with a one-sided biased view. If people have to remind you that rules should be applied equally, you are either too far gone or have issues with basic logic. Try to be objective to start with, not after you produce a biased rant and people point it out to you.

    To be fair, Germans started the war and killed a lot more people in the east. They deserved what they got.

    You call that fair? In reality it’s more proof that propaganda works.

    The Germans started the war? Since when?

    “… this entire myth, so prevalent then and even now about Hitler, and about the Japanese, is a tissue of fallacies from beginning to end. Every plank in this nightmare evidence is either completely untrue or not entirely the truth.

    If people should learn this intellectual fraud about Hitler’s Germany, then they will begin to ask questions, and searching questions…”

    Murray Rothbard, Revisionism for Our Time
    Mr. Rothbard was an American Jew and an historian of the very highest caliber.

    http://mises.org/daily/2592

    Rothbard’s claim about Hitler is just as valid for the Kaiser, too.

    So, when will you begin to ask questions?

    Germany did not start either WW. Both were commercial wars, and anti-Bolshie Germany was on the defensive both times. In other words the bank supported Reds stole Russia for themselves, and the Germans tried to avoid a similar fate. Both countries were used to weaken each other so the bankers cold more easily walk in and take them over.

    Any thinking person can understand that the “Big Ones” were instigated by the criminal international banking cartels in order to suppress competition from a developing Germany and to prevent a linking of Germany and Russia which they would not be able to control.

    It should be easy to see that because the same goals are so blatantly obvious today. Fortunately for the rest of us, the banksters actions are encouraging others to unite against them and I hope they lose this time.

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    Breaking News: Rogue U.S. Pilots Begin Bombing Central Banks!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxgiBJATe9M

    Banking System Explained: How To Fix Our Flawed Banking System

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9e9CFecndg

    .....
    , @FB

    Any thinking person can understand that the “Big Ones” were instigated by the criminal international banking cartels in order to suppress competition from a developing Germany and to prevent a linking of Germany and Russia which they would not be able to control.
     
    And how does that explain Lebensraum...?

    Not to diminish the parasitic role of the bankers...but this theory about bankers orchestrating both sides in the two world wars is illogical on its face...

    Consider...

    ...If the bankers were so all-powerful as to be able to dictate the supreme political actions of war and peace with regard to the superpowers of the day...

    ...then why would they need to resort to such a risky and unpredictable venture as war to begin with...?

    They would not need to...their supreme power would let them dictate terms without accountability...

    Your thesis [and there are many who propound it] defies even the most fundamental logic...

    The facts of history are well known...especially to those who lived through WW2 on the European continent...

    Hitler's attempted conquest of Russia had everything to do with a land grab...land and its resources being something Germany lacked...unlike the other Great Powers which had vast colonial holdings...

    If it was just about war for the sake of plundering or banker profit...the Wermacht crushed France in a matter of weeks...and would have crushed Britain with as little effort...

    But what he was after was Russia's land...the whole of European Russia right up to the Urals...
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  63. @Vidi
    From Patrick Armstrong's article (a good one, by the way):

    A Russian threat is good for business: there’s poor money in a threat made of IEDs, bomb vests and small arms. Big profits require big threats.
     
    Actually, I'd say the Russian threat is necessary to keep the Europeans too frightened to protest while the U.S. steals wealth from them. After all, when the U.S. imports goods and "pays" for them with printed money, it is basically stealing those goods. The U.S. is draining a lot of wealth from Europe (like $150 billion a year), so something must be done to keep them docile. Russia's perfect for that.

    Actually, I’d say the Russian threat is necessary to keep the Europeans too frightened to protest …

    True.

    All these “threats” help keep the dozing ‘Merkin populace in thrall to the parasites too . Keeps their wallets open as well. They think they need the “protection.”

    The US military is a pretty standard protection racket for sure. The interesting thing is that many of the anti-federalists warned us of just such a danger. MG Butler did as well.

    “… I spent most of my [33 years in the Marine Corps] being a high class muscle- man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers.

    In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for [crony] capitalism.”

    Major General Butler USMC, War is a Racket, 1935

    http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html

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  64. iffen says:

    Unless I missed a best seller or a world-wide ism in the last few decades, I do not see any grounds for assuming that elites will abandon the use and manipulation of the fear of external threats in order to maintain and strengthen the internal cohesion of the nation state. It has worked for millennia. Why would it stop working now? Why would they abandon something that has worked forever?

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    Why would they abandon something that has worked forever?
     
    Well well, well!

    Finally a comment of yours worth responding to. The answer is that they wouldn't.

    The next question is why would anyone support them in their endeavors, or even make excuses for them, since as, you so correctly stated, they've always acted that way?

    Welcome to the ranks of the previously duped; I hope yer not a transient guest.
    , @peterAUS

    Unless I missed a best seller or a world-wide ism in the last few decades, I do not see any grounds for assuming that elites will abandon the use and manipulation of the fear of external threats in order to maintain and strengthen the internal cohesion of the nation state. It has worked for millennia. Why would it stop working now? Why would they abandon something that has worked forever?
     
    Agree.

    But, at the same time, globalist elites do seek a way to use the same method on global scale.
    There is a possible scenario where a global economic recession happens. In that case they could use THAT fear to impose a certain mode of global governnance.
    The "Global Warming" scare was, I guess, an attempt in that direction.

    Say, "old school" elites used/use internal cohesion of national state.
    The "new school" elites prefer the "global scare".

    Something like that.
    Big topic I guess.
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  65. @Erebus


    “(Failed) West and a multipolar Rest”. The latter is what I think will actually happen in the near and medium term.

     

    I think we already have it, except I don’t think West has failed yet. Or it has in a way, the process of failing goes on, but the consequences have not been felt much in the West yet.
     
    Well, exogenous events aside, "decline and fall" is necessarily a process. A series of steps and plateaus is typical. A major step occurred in 2007/8, when the money failed. The bankers, in a frankly heroic display of coordination, propped up the $$$ and the West got a decade long plateau. Things are going wobbly again, financially speaking and I suspect the next step function to occur rather soon. Stays of execution have been exhausted, so it'll be interesting how the West handles it, and how the RoW reacts.
    Europeans have been invited to join the Eurasian Project, to create a continental market from "Lisbon to Vladivostok". Latent dreams of Hegemony hold at least some of their elites back. The USA has also been invited, but its dreams remain much more virile. That is, until Trump who's backers seem to read the writing on the wall better than the Straussians.

    I don’t see any other power than the West (=US) aspiring to ‘manage the world’....
    The other ‘powers’ have very modest, regional aspirations... US seems to be obsessed with it.
     
    The fact is that the rise of the West to global dominance is due to a historical anomaly. It was fuelled (literally) by the discovery and harnessing of the chemical energy embedded in coal (late 18thC) and then oil (late 19thC). The first doubled the population, and as first movers gave the West a running start. The second turned on the afterburners, and population grew >3.5 fold. Again the West led the way. To fuel that ahistorical step-function growth curve, control of resources on a global scale became its civilizational imperative.

    That growth curve has plateaued, and the rest of the world has caught/is catching up developmentally. The resources the West needs aren't going to be available to it in the way they were 100 years ago. Them days is over, for everybody really, but especially for the West because it has depleted its own hi-ROI resources, and both of its means of control (IMF$ System & U$M) of what's left of everybody else's are failing simultaneously. So its plateau will not be flat, or not flat for long between increasingly violent steps.

    The West rode an ahistorical rogue wave of development to a point just short of Global Hegemony. That wave broke, and is now rolling back out into the world leaving the West just short of its civilizational resource requirements. No way to get back on a broken wave. In any case, China now holds the $$$ hammer, and Russia holds the military hammer, and they've now got the surfboard. Both of them, led by historically aware elites, know that Hegemony doesn't work, so will focus on keeping their neck of the woods as stable & prosperous as possible while hell blazes elsewhere.

    What is really going on is that West has over-reached and can barely handle its own problems.
     
    IMHO, what's really going on is that the West's problems are simply symptomatic of what "decline and fall", if not "collapse" looks like from within a failing system. A long time ago I read the diary of a Roman nobleman who in the most matter-of-fact style wrote of exactly the same things Westerners complain about today. How this, that or the other thing no longer works the way it did. For all of his 60+ years, every day was infinitesimally worse than the day before, until finally he decides to pack up his Roman households and move to his estates in Spain. It took 170(iirc) more years of continuous decline until Alaric finally arrived at the Gates of Rome. If wholly due to internal causes, collapse is almost always a slow motion train wreck.
    ...

    ‘there would be a vacuum’ and ‘Russians would move in’. This is obvious nonsense and only elderly paranoid Cold Warrior types believe it (peterAUS?).
     
    Actually, it's just stupid. Cold Warrior or not, the view betrays a deep and abiding ignorance of both history and a large part of what drove the West's hegemonic successes. That both militate against anyone else ever even trying such a thing on a global scale can't be seen if you look at historical developments and the rest of the world through 10' of 1" pipe.
    The idea that Russia wants/needs the Baltics is even more laughable than that it wants/needs the Ukraine or Poland. None of these tarbabies have anything to offer but trouble. Noisome flies on an elephant, it is only if they make themselves more troublesome as outsiders than they would be as vassals would Russia move.

    Damn, yer good!

    I try not to think about this…:

    Them days is over, for everybody really, but especially for the West because it has depleted its own hi-ROI resources

    The waste sickens me to no end. Unimaginably vast quantities frittered away for no good reason. Utter stupidity has ruled for a very long time.

    Both of them, led by historically aware elites, know that Hegemony doesn’t work, so will focus on keeping their neck of the woods as stable & prosperous as possible while hell blazes elsewhere.

    I hope you’re correct, and I do admire their restraint and true statesmanship. What a contrast between true class and pure Bozoism.

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    I hope you’re correct...
     
    If their words (and deeds) are any indication, they have taken measure of the damage that's been, and continues to be done to both the American state and its people by Hegemony generally, and financial hegemony ($ Reserve) specifically. That "One Ring to Rule..." has a pull on those who have, or seek power that's all but irresistible, and they've sacrificed America's enormous and creative productive capacities, and finally its socio-political coherence in support of their lunge for it. After that process was reaching its apex, they started sacrificing their vassals' (the EU's) as well. That the inevitability of such an outcome was noted and decried in academic circles in the '60s (even the '50s) went ignored. Its poets and seers, of course had been decrying it from Spengler (even Nietzsche) onwards.
    Half a century later, here we are. "No-one saw it coming"? Yeah, my flaming arse...

    The lesson is that ultimately, Hegemony destroys the nation that goes for it, and if they're not sufficiently deft at pulling themselves away, its vassals as well.

    That's the lesson from history a few people here would do well to learn. Both the Chinese and Russian "empire(s)" learned this lesson several times in their long histories, and don't need to re-learn it. China's borders changed little for a millennium (or even 2), Russia's for centuries. Their current leadership knows it well. The founders of the US knew it and tried to inoculate their new nation against its siren call. Its more recent rulers forgot... or never learned it. There's always a first time, I guess.

    Whether or not the Russian & Chinese elites have honestly learned the lessons of history, the reality is that seeking Global Hegemony in a world that's entering the "right hand side" of the anomalous developmental/demographic step function that the 19th and 20th centuries represent is a fool's errand. There's no there there. The low-hanging resource fruits that sustain profitable Hegemonic control, much less growth are gone, and they ain't coming back. To attempt it is to set a course for the abyss, and perhaps take your vassals and, in the nuclear age, even the RoW with you.

    To be sure, Russia and China's current leadership will be replaced, and whether their successors will be as enlightened is a crap shoot. 'Twas ever thus. As the 21stC goes by, the world's and individual nations' leadership and situation will morph with the times. Multipolarity is not some infinitely powerful panacea that solves all of humanity's problems forever. It's simply the only viable answer to the problems posed by Globalization in a world of diminishing resources, and offers a template (mutatis mutandis) that can be used in solving future problems. Only up to a point, of course but multipolarity's great advantage as a global system is that it can dissolve itself, in whole or in part without threatening life on earth. Global Hegemony carries far greater risks when it fails.

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  66. Bayan says:
    @peterAUS

    Peter’s is the apocalyptic view made famous by Orwell. He may be right, it may all unravel and Oceania, Eurasia & Eastasia run a classic 3-power calculus of shifting alliances in a struggle for control of the “hinterlands”.
     
    It is.

    Not at all impossible, but certainly not what the proponents of the multipolar world want.
     
    The catch.
    I'd divide this group into two: true believers and power players. True believers do want it. The power players want just...power...in their part of the world. They use the idea and true believers to get it.
    Hasn't the same happened with all great ideas so far?
    "Workers of the world unite"->Kremlin
    "Democracy and human rights"->Washington.

    The Multipolar world as it is actually being constructed by its proponents, from its monetary structures to its security, commercial and trade regimes, is precisely the attempt to prevent that Orwellian development in the face of Western decline.
     
    There is another option, of course. Supranational ruling body, something as that "New World Order" or Globalist vision.

    So, there are actually 4 options:
    Orwelian/Huxley (because no need to impose police state; just breads and circuses/drugs and virtual reality). Who needs that TV in a flat; everybody carries a smart phone. No need to ask people for their most intimate thoughts(?) and feelings, they publish is for all the world to see.
    NWO
    Armageddon.
    Multipolar vision

    A cynic (realist?) would go in that order.
    As you said

    Peter’s view is that their attempt will fail. Maybe so.
     

    In the long run it is either NWO or total annihilation of life. The multipolar option is unstable, and can only be of relatively short term, a stepping stone to one or the other long term destinations.

    The NWO can be initially in the form of fake federalism followed by democratic federalism. It can come about in various ways.

    A worldwide American empire will lead to its global subjects demanding ‘interference’ in the way they are ruled.

    A multipolar world eventually leading to NWO, or Armageddon.

    A climate catastrophe forcing the birth of NWO or end of life.

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    Agree.

    Funny, though, that you mentioned

    A climate catastrophe forcing the birth of NWO or end of life.
     
    That idea hasn't been going well recently, though.
    Some...dissent....in scientific community.

    Perhaps a "global financial meltdown" could work?

    Or, even, a tactical nuke on North Korea?

    Still...WHO will be the rulers of that NWO?
    And, who'll control them? And who'll control the controllers?
    Democracy or something else?

    A lot to think about I guess.
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  67. polskijoe says:

    Catholic Church:

    Don Stefano Caprio, professor of Russian Culture and History at the Oriental Pontifical Institute of Rome, told La Stampa that “President Putin’s politics end up being quite compatible with some interests of the Vatican’s politics.” They share an “opposition to the globalisation intended as the unilateral American and Western supremacy over the world”.

    First of all, the position of Russia on the international scenery, already for some years, is characterized by its opposition to the globalization intended as the unilateral American and Western supremacy over the world. Russia has always oppose that and the Vatican, also before Pope Francis, but even more with Pope Francis, is alligned with this position,

    Western think tanks:

    Have admitted that we are moving away from a US unipolar world.
    The world is heading to a bipolar/multipolar world, something in between
    Globalization and Anti-Globalization. Another small option is no globalization, but unlikely according to them.

    German study:

    Has said that in a few decades the former Soviet satellite countries
    may end up siding with Russia, if the current path continues.

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  68. Antiwar7 says:
    @Kiza
    Have you ever considered who was paying for “The Hague Justice”? In there is the answer to your question - why no Muslim war criminals in the Hague. It is an Anglo-Zionist tribunal (very important - not a court!!!) paid for by the Saudis and pretending to be operated by U.N. Therefore, The Hague is yet another instance of the currently dominant imperial scheme: Anglo-Zionist know-how financed by Saudi money (which is running out, thus the Empire may need to print even more).

    “Justice” is a labour-intensive endeavour (have you ever heard of a cheap lawyer); for every legal entity one needs to ask - who is paying?

    Good point. But it’s not only who’s paying for, but also who’s staffing the ICTY (“Hague tribunal”). I think at one point it was roughly 75% Americans, often just “leaving” a US government position.

    The tribunal is a farce. It invented the concept of a “joint criminal enterprise” of which there is no evidence except the perceived effects. It accepts hearsay as evidence. The prosecutor’s office is heavily influenced by the US govt, and holds tremendous power in deciding whom to indict, and for what. (I.e., let’s indict some token guys from a “good” side, so it’s not quite so obvious what we’re doing, but then we’ll: ignore their real crimes, charge them with something they didn’t do so they can get off, and/or send them back to their national courts to get acquitted as heroes.) Or we’ll let the “good” guy’s witnesses get murdered, then acquit him for “lack of evidence” (for KLA defendants). Etc, etc, etc.

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    Agree.

    Not so sure about that "Criminal Enterprise" though.

    I mean....somebody must've carefully thought about all that "national state in historical borders", consequent "peaceful exchange of population", then, consequent "ethnic cleansing" of those who didn't want to move peacefully, consequently with a bit of fighting here and there (including corps level operations, use of combined arms units, airplanes, coastal navy, heavy artillery and such) and, in all that mess a concentration camp here and there.
    A little atrocity here and there too.
    War does bring, sometimes, the best in people; more often brings the worst. I guess.

    Just for concentration camps somebody must've organized all that.
    Which people to pick up, how to arrest them, how to transport them into certain places, how to support, logistically, those places etc.
    Must've been quite some organization there.
    The top leadership of all those tribes there must've know about all that.
    Perhaps....even ordered all that.
    Or...at least....didn't prevent it.

    The latest something like that happened in USA, for example, was the thing with Japanese after Pearl Harbor.
    Roosevelt and Churchill must've known about it and approved it.

    So......
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  69. The reason for the war with Russia is the Zionist control of every facet of the U.S. gov, without which there would be peace.

    Zionists are going to destroy America for their NEW WORLD ORDER.

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  70. wayfarer says:
    @jacques sheete

    To be fair, Germans started the war and killed a lot more people in the east. They deserved what they got.
     
    You call that fair? In reality it's more proof that propaganda works.

    The Germans started the war? Since when?


    “… this entire myth, so prevalent then and even now about Hitler, and about the Japanese, is a tissue of fallacies from beginning to end. Every plank in this nightmare evidence is either completely untrue or not entirely the truth.

    If people should learn this intellectual fraud about Hitler's Germany, then they will begin to ask questions, and searching questions…”

    Murray Rothbard, Revisionism for Our Time
    Mr. Rothbard was an American Jew and an historian of the very highest caliber.
    http://mises.org/daily/2592

     

    Rothbard's claim about Hitler is just as valid for the Kaiser, too.

    So, when will you begin to ask questions?

    Germany did not start either WW. Both were commercial wars, and anti-Bolshie Germany was on the defensive both times. In other words the bank supported Reds stole Russia for themselves, and the Germans tried to avoid a similar fate. Both countries were used to weaken each other so the bankers cold more easily walk in and take them over.

    Any thinking person can understand that the "Big Ones" were instigated by the criminal international banking cartels in order to suppress competition from a developing Germany and to prevent a linking of Germany and Russia which they would not be able to control.

    It should be easy to see that because the same goals are so blatantly obvious today. Fortunately for the rest of us, the banksters actions are encouraging others to unite against them and I hope they lose this time.

    Breaking News: Rogue U.S. Pilots Begin Bombing Central Banks!

    Banking System Explained: How To Fix Our Flawed Banking System

    …..

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  71. Can you imagine how totally humiliated, ridiculed, and beaten the US leaders feel today? Being hated or resisted is one thing, but being totally ignored – now that hurts!

    Yes and no.

    As an American tax slave I totally understand how it feels to be totally humiliated, ridiculed, beaten (though not physically yet) and ignored, as have the bulk of the yeoman American from the very start. “We the people” have never been listened to and never will be, so thank goodness for the likes of the current Russian, Turkish and Iranian statesmen.

    I say “no” because the US leadership has, evidently, never had any valid human feelings, ever. The rapacious, abusive, and pompous pack of jackals have simply never functioned as sentient or respectable or civilized human beings. They’ve always been sociopaths, and I understand that the type has nothing that could be called feelings so I suspect that they feel nothing but a bit dazed for the moment.

    The type understands nothing but raw power, so to Abu Ghraib with them and godspeed to the rest!

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  72. Hu Mi Yu says:
    @yeah
    If you need to puke or need a brainwash after seeing pictures of Conchita Wurst, you ain't seen nor heard nuthin' yet, Sir! Truer and bigger nightmares await us all. How about this: "U.K. Reverend asks Christians to pray that Prince George (4 years old presently) turns out to be gay". This is today's headline news (on Yahoo). After reading this I shook my head, then shook it some more, then rubbed my eyes ... until I became dizzy and my head went into a spasm of shaking itself.

    Lunacy and stupidity grows by leaps and bounds. Ours will be called by future historians "The age of stupidity" or perhaps "The loony era".

    Be brave - we are going to need to be even braver.

    Ours will be called by future historians “The age of stupidity” or perhaps “The loony era”.

    Predicted and named “the crazy years” decades ago. Our current problems are the logical result of policies adopted by the world war II generation.

    https://orangeraisin.wordpress.com/2017/11/05/robert-a-heinleins-crazy-years/

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  73. @iffen
    Unless I missed a best seller or a world-wide ism in the last few decades, I do not see any grounds for assuming that elites will abandon the use and manipulation of the fear of external threats in order to maintain and strengthen the internal cohesion of the nation state. It has worked for millennia. Why would it stop working now? Why would they abandon something that has worked forever?

    Why would they abandon something that has worked forever?

    Well well, well!

    Finally a comment of yours worth responding to. The answer is that they wouldn’t.

    The next question is why would anyone support them in their endeavors, or even make excuses for them, since as, you so correctly stated, they’ve always acted that way?

    Welcome to the ranks of the previously duped; I hope yer not a transient guest.

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    The next question is why would anyone support them in their endeavors

    Divide and conquer. Divide and conquer.

    If you ever get that one figured out, I will once again be glad to acknowledge that you do know jack.
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  74. nsa says:
    @Erebus


    “(Failed) West and a multipolar Rest”. The latter is what I think will actually happen in the near and medium term.

     

    I think we already have it, except I don’t think West has failed yet. Or it has in a way, the process of failing goes on, but the consequences have not been felt much in the West yet.
     
    Well, exogenous events aside, "decline and fall" is necessarily a process. A series of steps and plateaus is typical. A major step occurred in 2007/8, when the money failed. The bankers, in a frankly heroic display of coordination, propped up the $$$ and the West got a decade long plateau. Things are going wobbly again, financially speaking and I suspect the next step function to occur rather soon. Stays of execution have been exhausted, so it'll be interesting how the West handles it, and how the RoW reacts.
    Europeans have been invited to join the Eurasian Project, to create a continental market from "Lisbon to Vladivostok". Latent dreams of Hegemony hold at least some of their elites back. The USA has also been invited, but its dreams remain much more virile. That is, until Trump who's backers seem to read the writing on the wall better than the Straussians.

    I don’t see any other power than the West (=US) aspiring to ‘manage the world’....
    The other ‘powers’ have very modest, regional aspirations... US seems to be obsessed with it.
     
    The fact is that the rise of the West to global dominance is due to a historical anomaly. It was fuelled (literally) by the discovery and harnessing of the chemical energy embedded in coal (late 18thC) and then oil (late 19thC). The first doubled the population, and as first movers gave the West a running start. The second turned on the afterburners, and population grew >3.5 fold. Again the West led the way. To fuel that ahistorical step-function growth curve, control of resources on a global scale became its civilizational imperative.

    That growth curve has plateaued, and the rest of the world has caught/is catching up developmentally. The resources the West needs aren't going to be available to it in the way they were 100 years ago. Them days is over, for everybody really, but especially for the West because it has depleted its own hi-ROI resources, and both of its means of control (IMF$ System & U$M) of what's left of everybody else's are failing simultaneously. So its plateau will not be flat, or not flat for long between increasingly violent steps.

    The West rode an ahistorical rogue wave of development to a point just short of Global Hegemony. That wave broke, and is now rolling back out into the world leaving the West just short of its civilizational resource requirements. No way to get back on a broken wave. In any case, China now holds the $$$ hammer, and Russia holds the military hammer, and they've now got the surfboard. Both of them, led by historically aware elites, know that Hegemony doesn't work, so will focus on keeping their neck of the woods as stable & prosperous as possible while hell blazes elsewhere.

    What is really going on is that West has over-reached and can barely handle its own problems.
     
    IMHO, what's really going on is that the West's problems are simply symptomatic of what "decline and fall", if not "collapse" looks like from within a failing system. A long time ago I read the diary of a Roman nobleman who in the most matter-of-fact style wrote of exactly the same things Westerners complain about today. How this, that or the other thing no longer works the way it did. For all of his 60+ years, every day was infinitesimally worse than the day before, until finally he decides to pack up his Roman households and move to his estates in Spain. It took 170(iirc) more years of continuous decline until Alaric finally arrived at the Gates of Rome. If wholly due to internal causes, collapse is almost always a slow motion train wreck.
    ...

    ‘there would be a vacuum’ and ‘Russians would move in’. This is obvious nonsense and only elderly paranoid Cold Warrior types believe it (peterAUS?).
     
    Actually, it's just stupid. Cold Warrior or not, the view betrays a deep and abiding ignorance of both history and a large part of what drove the West's hegemonic successes. That both militate against anyone else ever even trying such a thing on a global scale can't be seen if you look at historical developments and the rest of the world through 10' of 1" pipe.
    The idea that Russia wants/needs the Baltics is even more laughable than that it wants/needs the Ukraine or Poland. None of these tarbabies have anything to offer but trouble. Noisome flies on an elephant, it is only if they make themselves more troublesome as outsiders than they would be as vassals would Russia move.

    The Twelve Caesars by the Roman historian, Suetonius, is worth a read if anyone is interested in what a decaying republic looks like as it morphs into overtly despotic autocratic rule. The similarities to today are eerie. The great threatening boogie man at the time was Persia. And the conniving jooies caused so many problems that Claudius had them all evicted from Rome…..problem solved. Unfortunately, the present crop of despots haven’t gotten around to feeding chrissies to lions………

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    It's pretty easy to see Trump as Nero - a wealthy, crass narcissist who really wanted to be an actor. There's also the theory that Nero was specifically chosen over Brittanicus in order to discredit the throne and break the Julio-Claudian dynasty, a desperate last hope for the Republicans who had been losing ground steadily since Caesar.

    But more relevant to the discussion at hand would be the threat of Carthage while the Republic still existed. There were Senators who recognized that peace in the Mediterranean region was better served by having a competing power to balance the Roman presence. They argued passionately and rationally against wiping out Carthage, but were shouted down by the greedy hawks and others who couldn't stand having their supremacy challenged.
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  75. @Sherman
    Hey Andrei

    So the US is falling apart and Russia is an ascendant superpower?

    If things are so lousy here and so great in Russia perhaps you should put your money where your mouth is and purchase a one way airplane ticket from Miami to Moscow.

    Sherm

    If things are so lousy here and so great in Russia perhaps you should put your money where your mouth is and purchase a one way airplane ticket from Miami to Moscow.

    Ey Shoym! Nice ta see ya back!

    Say, weren’t you the one who mentioned about how great the opioid epidemic was in booming Scranton? Linh Dinh confirmed it. (See below.) Ain’t ‘Amerka gweat?
    Anyway, knowing that yer a top stock market dealer and all, I got a hot tip fer ya so’s ya won’t hafta depend on updrafts in the stock market to fill yer sails. I hear there’s big money in collectible antique bottles. Who needs da mawkit anyway? It’s for sheep and chumps, doncha know? Hmmm?

    The man on the next stool, Earl, survived Roadway for 38 years. Retired, he can devote more time to his passion for antique bottles. He showed me one, on his phone, that’s shaped like the head of George Washington, “I bought it for $25. It’s worth several hundred.”

    http://www.unz.com/ldinh/postcard-from-the-end-of-america-west-scranton/

    Yeah, we’re da gweatest. G-d Bless US!

    PS:Anudda tip fer ya! Buy tickets while there’re still planes in the air, maybe?

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  76. yurivku says:
    @jacques sheete

    And I see no reason to expect sane behaviour from US establishment.
     
    You are correct.

    They are insane, what about a majority of american people ?
     
    About a century ago, the American people were pretty savvy about what was really going on and many good guys fought the good fight and had a lot of popular support, but crooked big money was too cunning, too pervasive and too powerful so it prevailed.

    Today the majority of American people are sleepwalking and for the most part, utterly clueless. What's really perverse is that it's mainly people with "degrees" who are the most ignorant and uncaring. They seem to think that because they possess some "degree" and a little more cash than the next guy, that they're pretty smart and that they have the answers for everything.

    Most people spout the establishment media propaganda and sneer at anyone who questions it. How they can accept the sewage spewed from such obviously vapid (at best), sources is astonishing to me. It's as if they enjoy being duped, and despite their feelings of self importance and superiority, few have ever learned to question anything, and accept the quackery of authority unreservedly.

    For that, some call me bitter. I call it like I sees it, and it ain't purdy, and I don't see much improvement even over the long term.


    “For who can be so tolerant of this monstrous city, who so iron of soul, as to contain himself …?”

    Juvenal, SATIRE I, ~ 100AD
     

    "Bitter" ain't the half of it.

    So we have to prepare to die hard, what else can we do

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    So we have to prepare to die hard, what else can we do

     

    Either go down fighting or lick their nether parts as usual, forever, I guess!

    For now I'm happy, like Mennipus. Harass 'em; never let them enjoy a moment's peace or their ill gotten "gains."


    MENIPPUS

    “Well, you scum of your respective nations, let there be no misunderstanding; I am going on just the same. Wherever you are, there shall I be also; worrying, jeering, singing you down.”

    LUCIAN, DIALOGUES OF DEAD 1 - 20
    3 (2). SHADES TO PLUTO AGAINST MENIPPUS

     

    I must say that Saker did one helluva job here. He really hit a ton of nails on the head. I must say though that although I understand the need for a sexy title, it really isn't a war between the US and Russia. It's a war between the gangster owners of the US and the Russian people and leaders.

    Wouldn't our scum bags just love to get their greasy paws on Russia's resources, and to keep them from linking up with their neighbors? I can't wait til the Western Euros get a pair.

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  77. The best sentence of “The Saker” is about US/Nato armies. “They all act as if Conchita Wurst was their Commander in Chief!” https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conchita_Wurst
    Saker, you got one thing wrong. Your “Axis of Kindness”- one understands your irony – is the real “Axis of Evil.” These three rouge regimes, Israel, Saudi Arabia, and the US, have screwed up the entire Middle East and want to tell other nations how to behave.

    Now the Zionist regime is attacking Iranian installations in Syria, which could be a Zionist provocation to drag Iran into war with these Zionist rogues. But the Russian/Iranian diplomacy is too smart to walk into the ZioUS trap. The Russian/Iranian diplomacy shows that rational actors are at the helmet, whereas the “Axis of Evil” is run by crazy ideologues such as Trump, Netanyahu, and Boy/Prince Mohammed bin Salman.
    As a foreign journalist who watches CNN regularly to get my daily dose of misinformation and propaganda about alleged Russian meddling can understand why ordinary Americans are fed up with such pseudo-liberal media outlets as CNN, MSNBC, NYT, Washington Post, and Wall Street Journal. They report and write only for a bunch of political Mafiosi in D.C., New York City, and Hollywood. About this trash or fake news, the “Deplorable” couldn’t care less. And rightly so.

    As “Russia Today” was forced to register as a “foreign agent,” it’s about time that the different Israel Lobbies are on par with RT. The Zionist lobbies are working for a foreign nation and against the US. President Putin should treat CNN and the other American anti-Russian propaganda outlets the same way as RT in the US; No accreditation for the Kremlin. If this doesn’t work, CNN should hit the road.

    In this power struggle between Russia and its allies and the “Axis of Evil,” the EU will go to the dogs. These nation-states are held together by a bunch of political showoffs and impotent swaggerers. Except them, anybody else knows it. The “Axis of Evil” has already flooded Europe with refugees for which these rogues are responsible. But the worst is still to come for the European house of cards. Hopefully, the “Axis of Evil” or the “Axis of Kindness,” as the Saker puts it, will bite the dust. From your mouth to God’s ears!

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    These three rouge regimes, Israel, Saudi Arabia, and the US, have screwed up the entire Middle East and want to tell other nations how to behave.

     

    The Saudis are mostly sock puppets, or useful idiots, of the AngloZionist empire. They do as they are told, or else...
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  78. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @TomSchmidt
    At the end of the day, political regimes can only survive by the consent of those they rule. In the United States this consent is clearly in the process of being withdrawn.

    That really is the nub of the matter there. The elites are fumbling about, trying to save themselves in the USA and their unearned perquisites. As the Saker says, the imperial parasite is sucking dry what should be a wealthy and peaceful land.

    It is the stupidity of the alphabet agencies and their handlers that is really depressing. Guess many years of unnatural selection for the most opportunistic and sycophantic have finally caught up with the whole system. Not a single intelligent, principled, honest and patriotic man among the “deciders.” None. Same seems to be true for the obedient and high-placed operatives in the nationals security apparatus.
    The stunning Awan Affair — the whole US Congress was spied on and the classified info could have been sold to foreign nations — and the miserable Steel Affair of make belief are both strong indicators that the overblown and obscenely expensive national security apparatus is not about the security and nation.
    It is nothing but failure.
    Whether the CrowdStrike fraud or the “expertise” from various Kaganists’ “think tanks” — like the presstituting Atlantic Council featuring as its star expert a profoundly ignorant and Russophobic Eliot Higgins, a former salesperson of ladies underwear (on a par with the “expertise” of the Atlantic Council directors) – the US has become ZUSA, with a voracious host making a feast on the zombified country.

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    It is the stupidity of the alphabet agencies and their handlers that is really depressing. Guess many years of unnatural selection for the most opportunistic and sycophantic have finally caught up with the whole system. Not a single intelligent, principled, honest and patriotic man among the “deciders.”
     
    As George Kennan warned would be the case when the CIA was founded.
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  79. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @TomSchmidt
    At the end of the day, political regimes can only survive by the consent of those they rule. In the United States this consent is clearly in the process of being withdrawn.

    That really is the nub of the matter there. The elites are fumbling about, trying to save themselves in the USA and their unearned perquisites. As the Saker says, the imperial parasite is sucking dry what should be a wealthy and peaceful land.

    The deafening silence re investigation of Seth Rich murder removes any doubts about the expertise of alphabet agencies.

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  80. yurivku says:
    @Beckow

    "Russians shouldn’t have raped all those German women"
     
    Yeah, that's the problem - WWII was all about Russians raping. Not about Germans attacking east and murdering tens of millions. How many Russian women do you think Germans 'raped'? Or maybe they just killed them, 'ubermensch', right. It doesn't seem to bother you and that is sick.

    Or this vignette:


    The regime in Moscow has one and only one goal: own hold on power"
     
    While, of course the 'regimes' in Washington or Berlin spend all their time worrying about the well-being of their citizens. You really cannot be that dumb, or can you?

    I made mistake responding to you, you are hopeless.

    For some reason I can’t just put AGREE so I do it here. This peter is hopeless, but typical, guys like him are the main reason us to write all this now. Hopeless …

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  81. @yurivku
    So we have to prepare to die hard, what else can we do

    So we have to prepare to die hard, what else can we do

    Either go down fighting or lick their nether parts as usual, forever, I guess!

    For now I’m happy, like Mennipus. Harass ‘em; never let them enjoy a moment’s peace or their ill gotten “gains.”

    MENIPPUS

    “Well, you scum of your respective nations, let there be no misunderstanding; I am going on just the same. Wherever you are, there shall I be also; worrying, jeering, singing you down.”

    LUCIAN, DIALOGUES OF DEAD 1 – 20
    3 (2). SHADES TO PLUTO AGAINST MENIPPUS

    I must say that Saker did one helluva job here. He really hit a ton of nails on the head. I must say though that although I understand the need for a sexy title, it really isn’t a war between the US and Russia. It’s a war between the gangster owners of the US and the Russian people and leaders.

    Wouldn’t our scum bags just love to get their greasy paws on Russia’s resources, and to keep them from linking up with their neighbors? I can’t wait til the Western Euros get a pair.

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    Either go down fighting or lick their nether parts as usual, forever, I guess!

     

    If to speak about Russians, you can be sure - as always we'll fight up to the end, bit this battle gonna be with those americans who are sleeping now an eating fake news when awake.

    Of course if again fifth column not succeed to open the gates of our fortress...
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  82. Looks like “we must attack Syria NOW!” is poised for a comeback.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5139433/Files-President-Assads-war-crimes-revealed.html

    “this innocuous room contains 800,000 pages of potential evidence to build a case that may lead to the most significant war crimes trial since Nuremberg, one that could match The Hague’s current International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia and make last week’s suicide in its dock by a former Bosnian-Croat general seem like a bizarre footnote in history.
    For the room I am standing in houses the case against Syrian president Bashar Assad and his genocidal cronies. Indeed, some of the documents I witness here are even signed by the dictator himself. Yet more papers could assist prosecutions against Islamic State leaders and are being used to help European governments vet returning jihadi recruits.
    Each document, each map, each phone, each computer was sneaked out of Syria or Iraq at huge personal risk. At least one brave smuggler has been killed and others have been locked up as they sought to help expose murderous activities and systemic abuse by the chief perpetrators of Syria’s civil war.
    This treasure trove was stashed away in homes and warehouses, sometimes even buried in fields, then ferried out in boxes, suitcases and lorries.
    The aim is simple: to build a case to prove guilt for state atrocities. Yet there is a remarkable twist – this is the first such war crimes probe run by a private, non-profit body.”

    A private, non-profit body run and funded by the usual suspects no doubt, including US intelligence. I like the chutzpah of “the chief perpetrators of Syria’s civil war”. The chief perpetrators aren’t in Syria.

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  83. peterAUS says:
    @iffen

    I guess my position is cynical: there are three bad entities. I must live under one of them. I choose United States. Not because it’s good but it’s better than those other two.
     
    Solid.

    Perhaps our skepticism of the new "multi-polar" world is not warranted. They could just build upon the phenomenal success of the UN, not to mention the EU.

    Precisely

    I’d add the phenomenal success of Warsaw Pact as well.

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  84. peterAUS says:
    @Michael Kenny
    Amusing but a standard propaganda trick. Weaken the enemy’s will to resist by claiming that your own side is already certain to win. “Cut your losses while you still have a chance”. No new facts, no new arguments. Just the saem old pro-Putin propaganda. The idea of the Russian gangster state being the nucleus of some high-minded new world order is hilarious. The hysterical tone gives the game away, though. The author clearly sees Putin’s situation as desperate. By the looks of what Putin has been doing lately, so does he! Mention of the Chechens reminds us that the Russian Federation is the last of the European empires. Sooner or later, the peoples of the Caucasus and Siberia have to get their independence. Logically, therefore, why should only the losing country not survive? Mightn’t they both destroy each other and another country (China? The EU? Both?) step into the vacuum? That’s more or less what happened in WWI. Europe destroyed itself as a world force and its place was taken by the US.

    Amusing but a standard propaganda trick. Weaken the enemy’s will to resist by claiming that your own side is already certain to win. “Cut your losses while you still have a chance”.

    The idea of the Russian gangster state being the nucleus of some high-minded new world order is hilarious.

    Agree.

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  85. peterAUS says:
    @iffen
    Unless I missed a best seller or a world-wide ism in the last few decades, I do not see any grounds for assuming that elites will abandon the use and manipulation of the fear of external threats in order to maintain and strengthen the internal cohesion of the nation state. It has worked for millennia. Why would it stop working now? Why would they abandon something that has worked forever?

    Unless I missed a best seller or a world-wide ism in the last few decades, I do not see any grounds for assuming that elites will abandon the use and manipulation of the fear of external threats in order to maintain and strengthen the internal cohesion of the nation state. It has worked for millennia. Why would it stop working now? Why would they abandon something that has worked forever?

    Agree.

    But, at the same time, globalist elites do seek a way to use the same method on global scale.
    There is a possible scenario where a global economic recession happens. In that case they could use THAT fear to impose a certain mode of global governnance.
    The “Global Warming” scare was, I guess, an attempt in that direction.

    Say, “old school” elites used/use internal cohesion of national state.
    The “new school” elites prefer the “global scare”.

    Something like that.
    Big topic I guess.

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    Say, “old school” elites used/use internal cohesion of national state.
    The “new school” elites prefer the “global scare”.


    In case you missed this:

    https://aeon.co/essays/capitalists-need-the-nation-state-more-than-it-needs-them
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  86. iffen says:
    @jacques sheete

    Why would they abandon something that has worked forever?
     
    Well well, well!

    Finally a comment of yours worth responding to. The answer is that they wouldn't.

    The next question is why would anyone support them in their endeavors, or even make excuses for them, since as, you so correctly stated, they've always acted that way?

    Welcome to the ranks of the previously duped; I hope yer not a transient guest.

    The next question is why would anyone support them in their endeavors

    Divide and conquer. Divide and conquer.

    If you ever get that one figured out, I will once again be glad to acknowledge that you do know jack.

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  87. peterAUS says:
    @Erebus


    “(Failed) West and a multipolar Rest”. The latter is what I think will actually happen in the near and medium term.

     

    I think we already have it, except I don’t think West has failed yet. Or it has in a way, the process of failing goes on, but the consequences have not been felt much in the West yet.
     
    Well, exogenous events aside, "decline and fall" is necessarily a process. A series of steps and plateaus is typical. A major step occurred in 2007/8, when the money failed. The bankers, in a frankly heroic display of coordination, propped up the $$$ and the West got a decade long plateau. Things are going wobbly again, financially speaking and I suspect the next step function to occur rather soon. Stays of execution have been exhausted, so it'll be interesting how the West handles it, and how the RoW reacts.
    Europeans have been invited to join the Eurasian Project, to create a continental market from "Lisbon to Vladivostok". Latent dreams of Hegemony hold at least some of their elites back. The USA has also been invited, but its dreams remain much more virile. That is, until Trump who's backers seem to read the writing on the wall better than the Straussians.

    I don’t see any other power than the West (=US) aspiring to ‘manage the world’....
    The other ‘powers’ have very modest, regional aspirations... US seems to be obsessed with it.
     
    The fact is that the rise of the West to global dominance is due to a historical anomaly. It was fuelled (literally) by the discovery and harnessing of the chemical energy embedded in coal (late 18thC) and then oil (late 19thC). The first doubled the population, and as first movers gave the West a running start. The second turned on the afterburners, and population grew >3.5 fold. Again the West led the way. To fuel that ahistorical step-function growth curve, control of resources on a global scale became its civilizational imperative.

    That growth curve has plateaued, and the rest of the world has caught/is catching up developmentally. The resources the West needs aren't going to be available to it in the way they were 100 years ago. Them days is over, for everybody really, but especially for the West because it has depleted its own hi-ROI resources, and both of its means of control (IMF$ System & U$M) of what's left of everybody else's are failing simultaneously. So its plateau will not be flat, or not flat for long between increasingly violent steps.

    The West rode an ahistorical rogue wave of development to a point just short of Global Hegemony. That wave broke, and is now rolling back out into the world leaving the West just short of its civilizational resource requirements. No way to get back on a broken wave. In any case, China now holds the $$$ hammer, and Russia holds the military hammer, and they've now got the surfboard. Both of them, led by historically aware elites, know that Hegemony doesn't work, so will focus on keeping their neck of the woods as stable & prosperous as possible while hell blazes elsewhere.

    What is really going on is that West has over-reached and can barely handle its own problems.
     
    IMHO, what's really going on is that the West's problems are simply symptomatic of what "decline and fall", if not "collapse" looks like from within a failing system. A long time ago I read the diary of a Roman nobleman who in the most matter-of-fact style wrote of exactly the same things Westerners complain about today. How this, that or the other thing no longer works the way it did. For all of his 60+ years, every day was infinitesimally worse than the day before, until finally he decides to pack up his Roman households and move to his estates in Spain. It took 170(iirc) more years of continuous decline until Alaric finally arrived at the Gates of Rome. If wholly due to internal causes, collapse is almost always a slow motion train wreck.
    ...

    ‘there would be a vacuum’ and ‘Russians would move in’. This is obvious nonsense and only elderly paranoid Cold Warrior types believe it (peterAUS?).
     
    Actually, it's just stupid. Cold Warrior or not, the view betrays a deep and abiding ignorance of both history and a large part of what drove the West's hegemonic successes. That both militate against anyone else ever even trying such a thing on a global scale can't be seen if you look at historical developments and the rest of the world through 10' of 1" pipe.
    The idea that Russia wants/needs the Baltics is even more laughable than that it wants/needs the Ukraine or Poland. None of these tarbabies have anything to offer but trouble. Noisome flies on an elephant, it is only if they make themselves more troublesome as outsiders than they would be as vassals would Russia move.

    The idea that Russia wants/needs the Baltics is even more laughable than that it wants/needs the Ukraine or Poland.

    Ah, good to hear that.
    Not for a fact but for a position/opinion.

    Not sure, though, that most of Baltics and Polish people agree with that but who cares.
    Definitely who cares about what most of Ukrainians think about it too.

    All based on history Rusophiles are so fond of heaping upon our heads around.
    Selective history that is and only when it suits them.
    Like, sometimes history is definitely crucial…sometimes it is not, time to forget it and move on.
    “Foreign invasions are fundamental to understand Russian position”.
    “Ahh…forget that Baltics and such…that’s distant past…Cold warrior senile scares”.
    Etc.

    Funny how that “foreign invasion” thing works.
    Perhaps….depending on who’s doing the invasion, I guess.

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  88. Wally says: • Website
    @Brabantian
    Significant event this week re the Russian-influence sphere & the USA war upon Slavs - a Slavic nationalist showed how to die bravely - Slobodan Praljak photos:
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a79a32fc1dac9855ae2008c5aa52d3db90322f31a2057c7eb36aca068f67c1e5.jpg

    The dramatic public suicide by poison of Bosnian Croat General Slobodan Praljak, 29 November 2017 in a 'war crimes trial' courtroom in the Hague, Netherlands ... Was actually the 15th death in custody of the small number of Balkan defendants at the Hague over the last few years, 3 by 'suicide' and 12 by 'disease & natural causes' ... It is statistically virtually impossible that so many deaths in a small group of middle-aged men occurred 'naturally'

    Many of the people suddenly dead were said to be the most insistent on exposing the war crimes of Nato, such as Slobodan Milosevic

    Tho it is true various war atrocities were committed in the Balkan wars, what is also discrediting about these 'war crimes trials' is that only certain ethnic defendants, the Christian Slavs, were chosen for prosecution ... It was forbidden to prosecute war crimes by Nato, and in practice war crimes by Muslim militias were also avoided by the Hague court

    Another corrupt aspect is that Balkan nation leaders and military commanders, were being convicted not for committing atrocity acts themselves, but on grounds of 'conspiring', 'allowing' etc atrocities

    By those same grounds, why are not many Western Nato leaders on trial for 'war crimes', for 'conspiring', 'allowing' etc war crimes in Libya, Syria, Iraq and many other places?

    USA war crime manipulations, included conducting a fraudulent 'impeachment' of US President Bill Clinton, in order to extort him into approving an illegal bombing of Serbia & massacre of civilians, which even the murderous Clinton found difficult to stomach ... when Clinton agreed to do the bombing, he was 'acquitted' and he & his wife were allowed to continue their US regime roles

    Another aspect of the Hague 'war crimes trials', is that the Hague judges at times, especially some USA ones, behaved as openly sadistic, psychopathic abusers of their defendants, obsessively seeking to cover up for Nato crimes, such as CIA etc agents weaponising militias amongst the Balkan populations

    The age 72 General Slobodan Praljak, whatever his past crimes, did act with heroic courage, giving his life to help inform the world that the Hague 'war crimes tribunal' was a fraud meting out 'victor's justice' for Nato propaganda ... He died as a warrior telling truth, and perhaps earned some forgiveness for what he had done in the past

    The Hague ‘trials’ are very similar to the Nuremberg Show Trials.

    ex., at Nuremberg,:
    - The Soviet communists presented a detailed study of steam chambers which was accepted a Nuremberg, no study for the now alleged pesticide using ‘gas chambers’ was ever presented at Nuremberg, or any other court
    - statements by ‘eyewitnesses’ and ‘survivors’ defy laws of science’ and are immensely contradictory
    - it was admitted by those participating in the Nuremberg show trials that Germans were routinely tortured to get ‘confessions’
    - the absurd ‘gas chambers’ were given ‘judicial notice’ (accepted as fact in post war trials and could not be argued against) even though no forensic study for these ‘gas chambers’ was ever presented, so the falsely accused had little chance for defense, how convenient it all was
    - English translations of Russian translations of Polish copies of an alleged German original which cannot be found is typical of Nuremberg ‘documents’.
    - the so called ‘most documented event in world history’ in fact has no documents which support the ridiculous ’6M & gas chambers’, no Hitler order, no orders from anyone to confirm the laughable claims
    - All but two of the Germans [on trial at Nuremberg], in the 139 cases that we investigated, had their testicles kicked in beyond repair. This was standard operating procedure with our American investigators:” 23.1.49, The Sunday Pictorial (quoted in For Those Who Cannot Speak (ref. 27), p.21.The statements which were admitted as evidence were obtained from men who had first been kept in solitary confinement for three, four and five months..The investigators would put a black hood over the accused’s head, punch him in the face with brass knuckles, kick him and beat him with rubber hoses. Privy observer & American judge, van Roden
    - Judge van Roden’s allegation of torture to gain “confessions” is confirmed by Texas Supreme Court Judge, Gordon Simpson. He confirmed that savage beatings, smashing of testicles, and months of solitary confinement occurred. Congressional Record, appendix v. 95, sec.12, 3/10/49

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  89. Wally says:
    @MarkU
    The financial dynasties which have ruled the western world for the last few centuries are evidently in the final stages of degeneration. Their ancestors were at least intelligent people whatever one might think about their ethics. So far as I am able to tell we are now being ruled by people who only have one notable characteristic, arrogance. They are to the western world what Caligula and Nero were to Rome, poison and delusion. I doubt very much that there will be a happy outcome.

    Inherited wealth on a massive scale is the problem, when individuals are born with enough wealth to confer political influence even over the wealthiest countries, then democracy can only be a sham. Bill Gates (of all people) was on the right track a few years ago when he declared that he was only going to pass down to his descendants enough money to live comfortably for one lifetime. Until some sort of sane cap is placed on inherited wealth then we will continue to be ruled by people with mediocre ability advised by second-rate intellectuals who are prepared to tell them what they want to hear.

    The biggest threat to our continued existence is not the strength of the Russian federation but its weakness. Outspent and outnumbered hugely by the EU alone (whatever the paid liars in Washington say) their only credible defence in the event of open warfare is their nuclear arsenal, we can only hope they never need to use it.

    So having Big Government seize other peoples money and doing what they do with money is a good thing?

    Seriously?

    The top 20% pay 95% of taxes, middle class, single digits.

    50% of US workers pay no federal taxes, but receive all the benefits as if they did.

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/omb-top-20-pay-95-of-taxes-middle-class-single-digits/article/2638746

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    I agreed with your comment. Just one correction so that we are accurate: about half of US individual filers pay no federal income tax, but I believe that they do pay Medicare tax (1.45%) and Social Security a/k/a FICA tax (6.2% by employee and 6.2% by employer, if I remember right).

    On the other hand, of the lower-income households that pay FICA and Medicare but not income tax, many qualify for the so-called refundable Earned Income Tax Credit. They often "get back" more than they ever paid in all three of those fed taxes combined.

    For this reason among others, I'd favor repealing the fed income tax and replacing it with a federal sales tax instead (gradually).

    Another benefit of a fed sales tax instead of income tax: illegal aliens and others working off the books pay sales tax in daily life, but not income tax. That is Millions of people. People deriving income from criminal activity, such as dealing heroin and coke and meth, also pay sales tax in daily life but not income tax.

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  90. peterAUS says:
    @Antiwar7
    Good point. But it's not only who's paying for, but also who's staffing the ICTY ("Hague tribunal"). I think at one point it was roughly 75% Americans, often just "leaving" a US government position.

    The tribunal is a farce. It invented the concept of a "joint criminal enterprise" of which there is no evidence except the perceived effects. It accepts hearsay as evidence. The prosecutor's office is heavily influenced by the US govt, and holds tremendous power in deciding whom to indict, and for what. (I.e., let's indict some token guys from a "good" side, so it's not quite so obvious what we're doing, but then we'll: ignore their real crimes, charge them with something they didn't do so they can get off, and/or send them back to their national courts to get acquitted as heroes.) Or we'll let the "good" guy's witnesses get murdered, then acquit him for "lack of evidence" (for KLA defendants). Etc, etc, etc.

    Agree.

    Not so sure about that “Criminal Enterprise” though.

    I mean….somebody must’ve carefully thought about all that “national state in historical borders”, consequent “peaceful exchange of population”, then, consequent “ethnic cleansing” of those who didn’t want to move peacefully, consequently with a bit of fighting here and there (including corps level operations, use of combined arms units, airplanes, coastal navy, heavy artillery and such) and, in all that mess a concentration camp here and there.
    A little atrocity here and there too.
    War does bring, sometimes, the best in people; more often brings the worst. I guess.

    Just for concentration camps somebody must’ve organized all that.
    Which people to pick up, how to arrest them, how to transport them into certain places, how to support, logistically, those places etc.
    Must’ve been quite some organization there.
    The top leadership of all those tribes there must’ve know about all that.
    Perhaps….even ordered all that.
    Or…at least….didn’t prevent it.

    The latest something like that happened in USA, for example, was the thing with Japanese after Pearl Harbor.
    Roosevelt and Churchill must’ve known about it and approved it.

    So……

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  91. @Randal

    He died as a warrior telling truth, and perhaps earned some forgiveness for what he had done in the past
     
    Forgiveness might be another matter, but for sure he acted in a manly manner, worthy of respect - suicide in the face of injustice that cannot be fought, or in the face of irrevocable defeat, is surely appropriate and virtuous (Christian theology is clearly wrong on this), and defeat in itself is no refutation, for the material world is not a place of universal justice. The final crime of Saddam Hussein was allowing himself to be captured alive.

    The US rejects the idea of submitting its military men to judgement for "war crimes" by foreign tribunals, and that is surely the way things ought to be for every nation. Foreign tribunals merely enact injustice, often mere "victor's justice", and the ICTY like the ICC merely proves the point.

    “The final crime of Saddam Hussein was allowing himself to be captured alive.”

    Perhaps it was thinking to the end he would get a fair trial or even a last-minute reprieve from his former lackeys; even if they had remained loyal, the verdict had already been dictated.

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  92. peterAUS says:
    @Bayan
    In the long run it is either NWO or total annihilation of life. The multipolar option is unstable, and can only be of relatively short term, a stepping stone to one or the other long term destinations.

    The NWO can be initially in the form of fake federalism followed by democratic federalism. It can come about in various ways.

    A worldwide American empire will lead to its global subjects demanding ‘interference’ in the way they are ruled.

    A multipolar world eventually leading to NWO, or Armageddon.

    A climate catastrophe forcing the birth of NWO or end of life.

    Agree.

    Funny, though, that you mentioned

    A climate catastrophe forcing the birth of NWO or end of life.

    That idea hasn’t been going well recently, though.
    Some…dissent….in scientific community.

    Perhaps a “global financial meltdown” could work?

    Or, even, a tactical nuke on North Korea?

    Still…WHO will be the rulers of that NWO?
    And, who’ll control them? And who’ll control the controllers?
    Democracy or something else?

    A lot to think about I guess.

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  93. Just keep in mind.

    Even when the US ‘lost’ the war, it’s homeland remained untouched while the OTHER nation lost millions and was totally devastated.

    It’s been said US lost in Vietnam and Iraq. Well, how many American cities got bombed?
    How many cities in Vietnam and Iraq got bombed?

    Something Russians have to keep in mind.

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    Don't talk like that. You are going to scare the Russians. On the other hand how does the greatest military in the history of the universe bankrupt it's own country fighting 3rd rate military powers - and not having too much success either?
    , @Sergey Krieger
    If you have been following recent developments you sure know that USA homeland is a fare game now if USA dares wrong country. The key in your post was Iraq and Vietnam. Not exactly peers but USA is trying hard to provoke Russia. If Russian territory is attacked so will be USA proper. I bet you do not want to learn how it looks like.
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  94. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Ludwig Watzal
    The best sentence of "The Saker" is about US/Nato armies. "They all act as if Conchita Wurst was their Commander in Chief!" https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conchita_Wurst
    Saker, you got one thing wrong. Your "Axis of Kindness"- one understands your irony - is the real "Axis of Evil." These three rouge regimes, Israel, Saudi Arabia, and the US, have screwed up the entire Middle East and want to tell other nations how to behave.

    Now the Zionist regime is attacking Iranian installations in Syria, which could be a Zionist provocation to drag Iran into war with these Zionist rogues. But the Russian/Iranian diplomacy is too smart to walk into the ZioUS trap. The Russian/Iranian diplomacy shows that rational actors are at the helmet, whereas the "Axis of Evil" is run by crazy ideologues such as Trump, Netanyahu, and Boy/Prince Mohammed bin Salman.
    As a foreign journalist who watches CNN regularly to get my daily dose of misinformation and propaganda about alleged Russian meddling can understand why ordinary Americans are fed up with such pseudo-liberal media outlets as CNN, MSNBC, NYT, Washington Post, and Wall Street Journal. They report and write only for a bunch of political Mafiosi in D.C., New York City, and Hollywood. About this trash or fake news, the "Deplorable" couldn't care less. And rightly so.

    As "Russia Today" was forced to register as a "foreign agent," it's about time that the different Israel Lobbies are on par with RT. The Zionist lobbies are working for a foreign nation and against the US. President Putin should treat CNN and the other American anti-Russian propaganda outlets the same way as RT in the US; No accreditation for the Kremlin. If this doesn't work, CNN should hit the road.

    In this power struggle between Russia and its allies and the "Axis of Evil," the EU will go to the dogs. These nation-states are held together by a bunch of political showoffs and impotent swaggerers. Except them, anybody else knows it. The "Axis of Evil" has already flooded Europe with refugees for which these rogues are responsible. But the worst is still to come for the European house of cards. Hopefully, the "Axis of Evil" or the "Axis of Kindness," as the Saker puts it, will bite the dust. From your mouth to God's ears!

    These three rouge regimes, Israel, Saudi Arabia, and the US, have screwed up the entire Middle East and want to tell other nations how to behave.

    The Saudis are mostly sock puppets, or useful idiots, of the AngloZionist empire. They do as they are told, or else…

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  95. The next question is why would anyone support them in their endeavors

    Divide and conquer. Divide and conquer.

    Why am I not surprised that you’d support your master’s divide and conquer methods?

    If you ever figure out who the enemy is, ( I thought, for a very brief moment that you had), I’ll be shocked.

    Hint: Read the article. Meanwhile, ta ta!

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  96. Cyrano says:
    @Priss Factor
    Just keep in mind.

    Even when the US 'lost' the war, it's homeland remained untouched while the OTHER nation lost millions and was totally devastated.

    It's been said US lost in Vietnam and Iraq. Well, how many American cities got bombed?
    How many cities in Vietnam and Iraq got bombed?

    Something Russians have to keep in mind.

    Don’t talk like that. You are going to scare the Russians. On the other hand how does the greatest military in the history of the universe bankrupt it’s own country fighting 3rd rate military powers – and not having too much success either?

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    Best military? Lol.
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  97. I respect the Sakers opinions, mostly as they are always founded on a logical way of thinking. But I think he has misinterpreted the EU. The EU is made of sovereign nations and it is NOT a federation. Meaning a response from the EU will always be la-la. This does not mean they agree or dont agree, it means that htere was not a majority for a more distinct answer.
    The EU is not the US poodle. UK is a US poodle and we are rid of them now. Good riddance. The Eu is and will always be centred around Germany- France, historical and economical reasons. If the Franco- Germanic axis go together well, the EU will prosper, simple. And it does well , real well now.
    There is no crisis in Germany, they will get a new stable government. They have had Chancellors like Kohl and Merkel within a decade. Some countries never get a leader of this magnitude and influence.
    They just do it: Ardenauer, Kohl, Merkel.
    We have a real politik with Russia, its only the bloody Americans that are a nuisance, we dont see them as a threat anymore, it is just a big country. The Baltic states and Poland are hysterical and need to chill, have some drink and a meal and and get laid.
    Too little sex and tits makes you a neocon ;) But it must be consensual.
    The EU is doing just fine thank you Saker..

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    We have a real politik with Russia, its only the bloody Americans that are a nuisance, we dont see them as a threat anymore, it is just a big country.
     
    All you say sounds good, but, as a curious American who's also furious at what "we've" done to the world for at least a century, what have you to say about the EC and especially the ECB?
    , @polskijoe
    yes the UK was encouraged by the US
    to try and prevent a strong French-German dominated EU.

    they wanted a UK-German relationship as opposed to the above.
    they accepted this as part of divide and conquer. (Anglos have a history of trying to prevent continental Europe strength).

    However a group of Brits connected to Le Cercle wanted out of EU.
    No one has heard of Le Cercle. Well they are basically a half Catholic half Neocon
    version of the Neoliberal Bilderberg group.
    However, the British version has some people in that group that didnt like EU.
    While the Americans neocons are more united in that area.

    What you have in Poland, Hungary, and a few other countries
    is a small alliance between Neocons and National Conservative Catholics.
    (the previous government was part of more Liberal-Conservative style Catholics).

    The problem is that Neocons and Catholics have different agendas.
    Neocons are more pro Israel, pro Anglo imperialism.
    The Catholic conservatives are less of that.

    I suggest further reading on the igsp covert politics website. its quite good (with some minor errors).

    Finally I agree that the countries you mentioned should chill on the antiRussian thing,
    because certain Catholic societies are trying to improve relations with Russia.

    , @RadicalCenter
    Your absurd EU, including France and surprisingly now Germany, is becoming Islamic at a rapid pace. Wake up. We face the prospect of a Balkanized Islamic EU and mexicanized USA. It was eminently avoidable.
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  98. @nsa
    The Twelve Caesars by the Roman historian, Suetonius, is worth a read if anyone is interested in what a decaying republic looks like as it morphs into overtly despotic autocratic rule. The similarities to today are eerie. The great threatening boogie man at the time was Persia. And the conniving jooies caused so many problems that Claudius had them all evicted from Rome.....problem solved. Unfortunately, the present crop of despots haven't gotten around to feeding chrissies to lions.........

    It’s pretty easy to see Trump as Nero – a wealthy, crass narcissist who really wanted to be an actor. There’s also the theory that Nero was specifically chosen over Brittanicus in order to discredit the throne and break the Julio-Claudian dynasty, a desperate last hope for the Republicans who had been losing ground steadily since Caesar.

    But more relevant to the discussion at hand would be the threat of Carthage while the Republic still existed. There were Senators who recognized that peace in the Mediterranean region was better served by having a competing power to balance the Roman presence. They argued passionately and rationally against wiping out Carthage, but were shouted down by the greedy hawks and others who couldn’t stand having their supremacy challenged.

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    The Roman's republican army was soundly defeated at the Battle of Cannae (216 BC) by the invading army of the audacious North African, Hannibal. Thereafter, the Romans refused to confront Hannibal directly and simply followed him around the Roman countryside for ten years as he pillaged, raped, and looted. This is exactly why Sicilians and southern Italians have black kinky hair and are dark complected. Hannibal even rolled up to the gates of Rome and challenged the republicans to come out and do battle. The patient Romans did not take the bait. Hannibal did not understand the Roman republican character....they would never admit defeat and they would never come to terms with a hated enemy. Eventually, Hannibal returned to Carthage leaving behind only lots of African DNA, and so ended the Second Punic War. Immediately, the Romans began to plan the Third Punic War......Carthaginem esse delendam. The eventual result was the total disappearance of Carthage....its people, buildings, culture, history, libraries. To this day, there is no sign Carthage ever existed.
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  99. They argued passionately and rationally against wiping out Carthage, but were shouted down by the greedy hawks and others who couldn’t stand having their supremacy challenged.

    The US used to have many people who could and did argue passionately and rationally against wiping out Germany, even in Congress, but were likewise shouted down and otherwise outmaneuvered by the greedy hawks and others who couldn’t stand having their supremacy challenged and never could have enough shekels in their pockets.

    They’ve all gone down the memory hole and we have no one like that today outside of Ron Paul who is rational but not so much passionate; a treasured and principled lone voice in the cesspool.

    It’s amazing how the will of the people was ignored, disregarded and circumvented as well. Tragic too.

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    And Senator Rand Paul, Congressman Justin Amash of Michigan, Congressman Thimas Massie of Kentucky, and a few others. But far too few, as is evident from the US government's Almost unimpressed rampage over decades now.
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  100. The Saudis are mostly sock puppets, or useful idiots, of the AngloZionist empire. They do as they are told, or else…

    As are Israel and the US. All are controlled by what used to be called the “invisible government.”

    The screwballs we see, like Netanyahu function as blabbering, biped bidets to their masters.

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  101. @Priss Factor
    Just keep in mind.

    Even when the US 'lost' the war, it's homeland remained untouched while the OTHER nation lost millions and was totally devastated.

    It's been said US lost in Vietnam and Iraq. Well, how many American cities got bombed?
    How many cities in Vietnam and Iraq got bombed?

    Something Russians have to keep in mind.

    If you have been following recent developments you sure know that USA homeland is a fare game now if USA dares wrong country. The key in your post was Iraq and Vietnam. Not exactly peers but USA is trying hard to provoke Russia. If Russian territory is attacked so will be USA proper. I bet you do not want to learn how it looks like.

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    If Russian territory is attacked so will be USA proper. I bet [Americans] do not want to learn how it looks like.
     
    While the U.S. homeland is being pounded by Russia, the Americans could give no help to their little client state in the Middle East. That is when the Zionists will start to learn that constantly infuriating the neighbours isn't smart, as they'll retaliate. And Israel will truly feel the pain if the Americans should lose the war -- distinctly possible if China joins the party. If the crazy neocons could see this, they would not be so eager to ignite the Third World War.
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  102. @Cyrano
    Don't talk like that. You are going to scare the Russians. On the other hand how does the greatest military in the history of the universe bankrupt it's own country fighting 3rd rate military powers - and not having too much success either?

    Best military? Lol.

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  103. Art says:

    How can we be on the righteous side of coming events, with Israel and Saudi on our side?

    How is it that the one time most modern nation on earth, has these two ancient backwards hostile dogs tied around its neck?

    No peoples on the planet like either of them. The Rothschild central banksters that they are tied to, are rightfully hated all over the world.

    Because of these affiliations, America is sinking deeper and deeper into a dark oblivion of war after war.

    Think Peace — Art

    p.s. Say no to an Iran war.

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    Hey Genius

    "Say no to an Iran war".

    Agreed. That's why the other day Israel blasted away a nascent Iranian military base encroaching on its border.

    Russia basically watched the whole thing and laughed. Putin has little love for Iran other than to help prop up Assad.

    The more Iran and its stooges drown in the Syrian quagmire the safer the world is.

    Shalom
    Sherm

    PS - How are the PORK and beans?
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  104. @Den Lille Abe
    I respect the Sakers opinions, mostly as they are always founded on a logical way of thinking. But I think he has misinterpreted the EU. The EU is made of sovereign nations and it is NOT a federation. Meaning a response from the EU will always be la-la. This does not mean they agree or dont agree, it means that htere was not a majority for a more distinct answer.
    The EU is not the US poodle. UK is a US poodle and we are rid of them now. Good riddance. The Eu is and will always be centred around Germany- France, historical and economical reasons. If the Franco- Germanic axis go together well, the EU will prosper, simple. And it does well , real well now.
    There is no crisis in Germany, they will get a new stable government. They have had Chancellors like Kohl and Merkel within a decade. Some countries never get a leader of this magnitude and influence.
    They just do it: Ardenauer, Kohl, Merkel.
    We have a real politik with Russia, its only the bloody Americans that are a nuisance, we dont see them as a threat anymore, it is just a big country. The Baltic states and Poland are hysterical and need to chill, have some drink and a meal and and get laid.
    Too little sex and tits makes you a neocon ;) But it must be consensual.
    The EU is doing just fine thank you Saker..

    We have a real politik with Russia, its only the bloody Americans that are a nuisance, we dont see them as a threat anymore, it is just a big country.

    All you say sounds good, but, as a curious American who’s also furious at what “we’ve” done to the world for at least a century, what have you to say about the EC and especially the ECB?

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  105. Beckow says:
    @Vidi
    From Patrick Armstrong's article (a good one, by the way):

    A Russian threat is good for business: there’s poor money in a threat made of IEDs, bomb vests and small arms. Big profits require big threats.
     
    Actually, I'd say the Russian threat is necessary to keep the Europeans too frightened to protest while the U.S. steals wealth from them. After all, when the U.S. imports goods and "pays" for them with printed money, it is basically stealing those goods. The U.S. is draining a lot of wealth from Europe (like $150 billion a year), so something must be done to keep them docile. Russia's perfect for that.

    “U.S. imports goods and “pays” for them with printed money, it is basically stealing those goods”

    Yes, that’s technically true. But as with lying, it takes two to do it. A lier needs a willing accomplice to lie to, and a scam with fiat money also requires two sides to do the transactions. US has invested a lot (of that same printed money) to buy itself elite loyalty in Europe. It is the core of the system – people in Europe who play along get rewarded.

    So it can go on for quite some time. It is a well-thought out system. As with all quasi-pyramide schemes it stops working when it cannot grow more and starts shrinking. That’s when people head for the exits. The same positive dynamic that drove it on the way up creates a panic on the way down. We are probably one or two generations away from that point – there is a lot of room to grow left. And all the resistance around the world makes it more stable because it provides a meaning and a sense of boundaries.

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    US has invested a lot (of that same printed money) to buy itself elite loyalty in Europe. It is the core of the system – people in Europe who play along get rewarded....So it can go on for quite some time.
     
    That may be true, but only IF Americans continue to restrain their appetites to merely ten percent of Europe's GDP per year. I doubt they will: their ongoing wars are extremely expensive, and Trump may start some new ones; their infrastructure desperately needs some trillions of dollars; and in spite of that their government continues cutting taxes. In the coming years, I think a 150-billion-dollar annual drain will start to look small, and the Europeans will start to notice that they are being robbed blind by the Americans.

    Note that I'm not even factoring in a highly probable financial crash, far worse than 2008.

    So very soon, I think that Europe will rebel against the AngloZionist Empire. So in order to forestall revolt, the AngloZionists are hyping up the Russian threat.
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  106. Beckow says:
    @Erebus


    “(Failed) West and a multipolar Rest”. The latter is what I think will actually happen in the near and medium term.

     

    I think we already have it, except I don’t think West has failed yet. Or it has in a way, the process of failing goes on, but the consequences have not been felt much in the West yet.
     
    Well, exogenous events aside, "decline and fall" is necessarily a process. A series of steps and plateaus is typical. A major step occurred in 2007/8, when the money failed. The bankers, in a frankly heroic display of coordination, propped up the $$$ and the West got a decade long plateau. Things are going wobbly again, financially speaking and I suspect the next step function to occur rather soon. Stays of execution have been exhausted, so it'll be interesting how the West handles it, and how the RoW reacts.
    Europeans have been invited to join the Eurasian Project, to create a continental market from "Lisbon to Vladivostok". Latent dreams of Hegemony hold at least some of their elites back. The USA has also been invited, but its dreams remain much more virile. That is, until Trump who's backers seem to read the writing on the wall better than the Straussians.

    I don’t see any other power than the West (=US) aspiring to ‘manage the world’....
    The other ‘powers’ have very modest, regional aspirations... US seems to be obsessed with it.
     
    The fact is that the rise of the West to global dominance is due to a historical anomaly. It was fuelled (literally) by the discovery and harnessing of the chemical energy embedded in coal (late 18thC) and then oil (late 19thC). The first doubled the population, and as first movers gave the West a running start. The second turned on the afterburners, and population grew >3.5 fold. Again the West led the way. To fuel that ahistorical step-function growth curve, control of resources on a global scale became its civilizational imperative.

    That growth curve has plateaued, and the rest of the world has caught/is catching up developmentally. The resources the West needs aren't going to be available to it in the way they were 100 years ago. Them days is over, for everybody really, but especially for the West because it has depleted its own hi-ROI resources, and both of its means of control (IMF$ System & U$M) of what's left of everybody else's are failing simultaneously. So its plateau will not be flat, or not flat for long between increasingly violent steps.

    The West rode an ahistorical rogue wave of development to a point just short of Global Hegemony. That wave broke, and is now rolling back out into the world leaving the West just short of its civilizational resource requirements. No way to get back on a broken wave. In any case, China now holds the $$$ hammer, and Russia holds the military hammer, and they've now got the surfboard. Both of them, led by historically aware elites, know that Hegemony doesn't work, so will focus on keeping their neck of the woods as stable & prosperous as possible while hell blazes elsewhere.

    What is really going on is that West has over-reached and can barely handle its own problems.
     
    IMHO, what's really going on is that the West's problems are simply symptomatic of what "decline and fall", if not "collapse" looks like from within a failing system. A long time ago I read the diary of a Roman nobleman who in the most matter-of-fact style wrote of exactly the same things Westerners complain about today. How this, that or the other thing no longer works the way it did. For all of his 60+ years, every day was infinitesimally worse than the day before, until finally he decides to pack up his Roman households and move to his estates in Spain. It took 170(iirc) more years of continuous decline until Alaric finally arrived at the Gates of Rome. If wholly due to internal causes, collapse is almost always a slow motion train wreck.
    ...

    ‘there would be a vacuum’ and ‘Russians would move in’. This is obvious nonsense and only elderly paranoid Cold Warrior types believe it (peterAUS?).
     
    Actually, it's just stupid. Cold Warrior or not, the view betrays a deep and abiding ignorance of both history and a large part of what drove the West's hegemonic successes. That both militate against anyone else ever even trying such a thing on a global scale can't be seen if you look at historical developments and the rest of the world through 10' of 1" pipe.
    The idea that Russia wants/needs the Baltics is even more laughable than that it wants/needs the Ukraine or Poland. None of these tarbabies have anything to offer but trouble. Noisome flies on an elephant, it is only if they make themselves more troublesome as outsiders than they would be as vassals would Russia move.

    “Things are going wobbly again”

    Why do you think so? I think we are about to enter an occasional plateau and things will be stable or even improve for a while.

    The Rome analogies are instructive, but they only take you so far. E.g. Rome was collapsing for about two centuries, on and off. Rome was also infinitely more brutal than today’s West and the ‘barbarians’ were real barbarians, not aspiring migrants led by well-paid NGO comprador class.

    Why do you think it is getting wobbly?

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    You asked:

    Why do you think it is getting wobbly?
     
    ... having implied a possible answer in your post immediately preceding it.

    Financial crash is quite improbable. Don’t forget, we are dealing with fiat ‘printed’ money. It is effectively play money. And as long as everyone wants to play, it will be fine. All current alternatives are worse.
     
    The bolded part is salient point. That not everyone wants to play any more, and that some critical players are setting up a new game, with new rules has had plenty of coverage in the financial press, so I'm puzzled why you're apparently unaware of it.

    Anyway, that is not why I think it's "getting wobbly", as the wobbliness is quite independent of any new games being set up. Or, more accurately, new games are being set up partially as a response to the system's inherent wobbliness.
    The wobbliness stems from the fact that quite emphatically, and contrary to your statement, we do not use "fiat 'printed' money". If we did, you'd be absolutely right. However, currency issuance under the current system is fully backed by the full faith and credit of the entity that borrowed it into existence. That is, currency is issued only against a debt obligation, and it is precisely because the backing for the currency (that debt) is becoming viewed, in aggregate as uncollectable, that the currency itself is losing its viability.

    Global Sovereign debt is now roughly equal to Global GDP - about $60T. Private debt is greater. Globally, according to the World Bank it was at 140% global GDP in 2016, and is probably higher now. In some cases like US & JP, private debt approaches 2x GDP. The entire world - all the land, mines, factories, houses, sub-surface minerals, etc, etc - is valued at roughly $200T. That's how much the planet is "worth" if some aliens came along and wanted to buy it. We've collectively borrowed some 60-70% of the value of everything there is. Debts at those levels are unsustainable except at very high growth rates and even then one wonders about the real collateral left to borrow the necessary currency against. Growth is nowhere to be found, so big time defaults are coming our way.

    When the debt obligation that backed a currency issuance is either met or defaulted on, the currency it created is extinguished. The old adage that "Every debt is paid, either by the borrower or the lender" holds, and so the system depends on more new loans in ever increasing amounts to maintain itself. At this point, with productive growth slowing dramatically and borrowing for consumption running up against carrying limits, where's the money gonna come from?

    On top of that basic fact regarding debt-backed currency issuance, the financial world has built a staggering edifice of currency swaps, credit default swaps, mortgage backed securities, and a bewildering collection of various derivatives, many of impenetrable complexity. All of them, repeat all, amount to little more than bets on bets derived from that original debt obligation that brought the currency into existence. Thus, at the end of the day all are subject to counter-party risk however "hedged" they may claim to be.

    This is particularly so for the large currencies that underpin the system, namely the EUR & USD and the banks embedded in the FR & ECB systems. The total, nominal value of this edifice is >$1Q, or some 5x the value of the planet. It's mostly "hedged" in a matrix of counter-party obligations, but that matrix fails when a default at a critical node cascades through the system.

    I think we're seeing the first signs that defaults are rising faster than new money is created to replace it. That is "wobbly" in my book.
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  107. @Brabantian
    Significant event this week re the Russian-influence sphere & the USA war upon Slavs - a Slavic nationalist showed how to die bravely - Slobodan Praljak photos:
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a79a32fc1dac9855ae2008c5aa52d3db90322f31a2057c7eb36aca068f67c1e5.jpg

    The dramatic public suicide by poison of Bosnian Croat General Slobodan Praljak, 29 November 2017 in a 'war crimes trial' courtroom in the Hague, Netherlands ... Was actually the 15th death in custody of the small number of Balkan defendants at the Hague over the last few years, 3 by 'suicide' and 12 by 'disease & natural causes' ... It is statistically virtually impossible that so many deaths in a small group of middle-aged men occurred 'naturally'

    Many of the people suddenly dead were said to be the most insistent on exposing the war crimes of Nato, such as Slobodan Milosevic

    Tho it is true various war atrocities were committed in the Balkan wars, what is also discrediting about these 'war crimes trials' is that only certain ethnic defendants, the Christian Slavs, were chosen for prosecution ... It was forbidden to prosecute war crimes by Nato, and in practice war crimes by Muslim militias were also avoided by the Hague court

    Another corrupt aspect is that Balkan nation leaders and military commanders, were being convicted not for committing atrocity acts themselves, but on grounds of 'conspiring', 'allowing' etc atrocities

    By those same grounds, why are not many Western Nato leaders on trial for 'war crimes', for 'conspiring', 'allowing' etc war crimes in Libya, Syria, Iraq and many other places?

    USA war crime manipulations, included conducting a fraudulent 'impeachment' of US President Bill Clinton, in order to extort him into approving an illegal bombing of Serbia & massacre of civilians, which even the murderous Clinton found difficult to stomach ... when Clinton agreed to do the bombing, he was 'acquitted' and he & his wife were allowed to continue their US regime roles

    Another aspect of the Hague 'war crimes trials', is that the Hague judges at times, especially some USA ones, behaved as openly sadistic, psychopathic abusers of their defendants, obsessively seeking to cover up for Nato crimes, such as CIA etc agents weaponising militias amongst the Balkan populations

    The age 72 General Slobodan Praljak, whatever his past crimes, did act with heroic courage, giving his life to help inform the world that the Hague 'war crimes tribunal' was a fraud meting out 'victor's justice' for Nato propaganda ... He died as a warrior telling truth, and perhaps earned some forgiveness for what he had done in the past

    It is truly sickening to consider that the US (or it’s lackeys) are passing judgment on others for war crimes.

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  108. @Brabantian
    Significant event this week re the Russian-influence sphere & the USA war upon Slavs - a Slavic nationalist showed how to die bravely - Slobodan Praljak photos:
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a79a32fc1dac9855ae2008c5aa52d3db90322f31a2057c7eb36aca068f67c1e5.jpg

    The dramatic public suicide by poison of Bosnian Croat General Slobodan Praljak, 29 November 2017 in a 'war crimes trial' courtroom in the Hague, Netherlands ... Was actually the 15th death in custody of the small number of Balkan defendants at the Hague over the last few years, 3 by 'suicide' and 12 by 'disease & natural causes' ... It is statistically virtually impossible that so many deaths in a small group of middle-aged men occurred 'naturally'

    Many of the people suddenly dead were said to be the most insistent on exposing the war crimes of Nato, such as Slobodan Milosevic

    Tho it is true various war atrocities were committed in the Balkan wars, what is also discrediting about these 'war crimes trials' is that only certain ethnic defendants, the Christian Slavs, were chosen for prosecution ... It was forbidden to prosecute war crimes by Nato, and in practice war crimes by Muslim militias were also avoided by the Hague court

    Another corrupt aspect is that Balkan nation leaders and military commanders, were being convicted not for committing atrocity acts themselves, but on grounds of 'conspiring', 'allowing' etc atrocities

    By those same grounds, why are not many Western Nato leaders on trial for 'war crimes', for 'conspiring', 'allowing' etc war crimes in Libya, Syria, Iraq and many other places?

    USA war crime manipulations, included conducting a fraudulent 'impeachment' of US President Bill Clinton, in order to extort him into approving an illegal bombing of Serbia & massacre of civilians, which even the murderous Clinton found difficult to stomach ... when Clinton agreed to do the bombing, he was 'acquitted' and he & his wife were allowed to continue their US regime roles

    Another aspect of the Hague 'war crimes trials', is that the Hague judges at times, especially some USA ones, behaved as openly sadistic, psychopathic abusers of their defendants, obsessively seeking to cover up for Nato crimes, such as CIA etc agents weaponising militias amongst the Balkan populations

    The age 72 General Slobodan Praljak, whatever his past crimes, did act with heroic courage, giving his life to help inform the world that the Hague 'war crimes tribunal' was a fraud meting out 'victor's justice' for Nato propaganda ... He died as a warrior telling truth, and perhaps earned some forgiveness for what he had done in the past

    Probably worth revisiting this excellent article from The Saker:

    http://thesaker.is/special-report-the-truth-about-srebrenica-20-years-later/

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    That's probably off-topic but it IS sort of important to get what's happening in the World in the light of Mladic/Praljak cases.
    Keeping the Balkans under control, that is.

    Srebrenica is one of those things where more one knows more confused he/she is.
    I’ll add a bit to that confusion regarding that Saker article which I found…..not very good.
    Don’t believe a word I am saying; just go for transcripts in Hague. Speak, if you can, with some people who were there. Both sides; actually all sides ("internationals" for example).

    Here is why:


    a large number of armed Bosnian-Muslim men had attempted a breakthrough from Srebrenica to Tuzla
     
    A large number of people, including a lot of civilians, with lightly armed Bosnian-Muslim men had attempted a breakthrough from Srebrenica to Tuzla. In essence, people were fleeing the area and combatants in that mass were armed men with their families there too.

    many had been killed in *combat* with Bosnian-Serbs and many actually made it to Tuzla
     
    That combat was rather one-sided; it was chasing down the stragglers along their path to salvation. Some groups were shelled, some surrounded and summarily executed on spot and some killed in “proper” light infantry type skirmishes along that path.

    In reality, however, the Bosnian-Muslims kept and entire Mountain Division in Srebrenica and they continued to reinforce it both by land and by air
     
    Pure nonsense. We are talking about large group of local men armed with light infantry weapons, organized, mostly up to a company level; pure “warlord” environment. They were incapable of having a proper organized battalion let alone a “Mountain Division”.

    At the beginning of the war, the Bosnian-Muslims had already burned down all the Bosnian-Serb villages around Srebrenica and massacred most of the civilians living they found in them (we are talking about several thousand civilians).
     
    Correction: burned some of Bosnian-Serb villages and massacred some of civilians there (about a couple of hundred persons). I say persons because all men of fighting age were armed. EXACTLY the same type as the men of fighting age in Muslim enclave.

    The local Bosnian-Serbs had promised that one day they would take revenge for these massacres and some of them, indeed, do that when the Bosnian-Serbs entered Srebrenica.
     
    Correct. That is the basis of “massacre in Srebrenica”.

    I have also come to believe that this was not a “simple” false flag attack either. Srebrenica was a simultaneous combination of the following:
    1. Combat operations between regular Bosnian-Serb forces and Bosnian-Muslim forces attempting to break out of Srebrenica.
    2. The “spontaneous” execution of a number of civilians and POWs by Bosnian-Serbs seeking revenge.
    3. The deliberate execution of a number of civilians and POWs ordered not by Bosnian-Serbs but by some Yugoslav (Federal) officials.
    4. A deliberate PSYOP by the USA to grossly inflate the number of victims and blame the Bosnian-Serbs.
     
    Agree with Saker here. The “3” goes into deep receses of Serbian State Security, Mr Stanisic etc.
    Those interested in topic plenty of related stuff in Hague transcripts.
    THAT is the rabbit hole even its mayor players don’t get altogether.

    the Bosnian-Serbs and Bosnian-Muslims are exactly the same ethnic group and what differentiates them is their religion. So any talk of “ethnic cleansing” is nonsensical in the Bosnian context.
     
    This is so STUPID I am not going to comment.

    It is quite obvious that neither Radovan Karadzic nor Ratko Mladic ever gave any orders to commit massacres. Had they wanted to issue such orders, they would have kept away from the scene and not done what Mladic did that day: bring in several bus loads of reporters and then go on TV to publicly promise the Bosnian-Muslim civilians that he personally guaranteed their safety. It is absolutely clear to me that Mladic and the Bosnian-Serbs walked into a trap carefully laid by the USA.
     
    Poor Saker. All up to the latest sentence IS correct.
    What he doesn’t understand is how ETHNIC MILITIAS work.
    His understanding comes, as in Hague actually, from equating modern armed force with that….thing.
    While it is true that Serb forces in Bosnia had elements of professionalism and organization, including CiC equivalent to modern standards, 90 % of that mass of armed citizenry were BALKANS MILITIA.
    Keeping those types under control …any organized control.....is just funny.
    That’s crucial misunderstanding about all that (intentional from Hague, naïve from Saker types and fanboys).
    Karadzic and Mladic could’ve wanted anything….in the field there their control of events was minimal.
    Local militia units with special political interests from Serbia proper etc simply made all that a mess. A very good time and place for mass killings.
    That applied to all Balkans players. That applies, actually, to most armed conflicts in the world where local combatants are involved.

    I am absolutely positive that the worst problem for Russian contigent in Syria aren’t Assad enemies. That’s easy to deal with.
    The problem are “own locals”.
    Keeping positive control on them is……….well….challenging is the word I guess.


    a large number of Muslims did die in Srebrenica. Some in “legitimate” combat, but other were truly executed.
     
    Agree.

    the real culprits are still free, especially if some of these culprits include Bosnian-Muslim officials from the Sarajevo government.
     
    Correction: Some of real culprits are still free and they do include Bosnian-Muslim officials and members of international community..

    I also want to repeat here that while my personal position on what really happened in Srebrenica is pretty clear, I do invite those who will disagree with it, or with any of the documents presented here, to present their own evidence and analysis.
     
    I just, very briefly, did.
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  109. Sherman says:
    @Art
    How can we be on the righteous side of coming events, with Israel and Saudi on our side?

    How is it that the one time most modern nation on earth, has these two ancient backwards hostile dogs tied around its neck?

    No peoples on the planet like either of them. The Rothschild central banksters that they are tied to, are rightfully hated all over the world.

    Because of these affiliations, America is sinking deeper and deeper into a dark oblivion of war after war.

    Think Peace --- Art

    p.s. Say no to an Iran war.

    Hey Genius

    “Say no to an Iran war”.

    Agreed. That’s why the other day Israel blasted away a nascent Iranian military base encroaching on its border.

    Russia basically watched the whole thing and laughed. Putin has little love for Iran other than to help prop up Assad.

    The more Iran and its stooges drown in the Syrian quagmire the safer the world is.

    Shalom
    Sherm

    PS – How are the PORK and beans?

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    Sherman,

    With regard to the present-triumphant American-Israeli (maybe Russian?) heart of darkness, one day a long suffering native shall inevitably look upon your vanquished conqueror, and in Conrad's words, utter,

    "Uh, Mistah Kurtz.
    He's dead."

    Selah The Hollow Men.
    , @Anon
    "... the other day Israel blasted away a nascent Iranian military base encroaching on its border."

    Could you provide the number of miles/kilometers for your definition of "encroaching on a border?" - Eternal victimhood in action?
    Also, if violating a territory of sovereign state is perfectly legit for Israelis, then what their squealing is about? –- Either accept the international law or shut up.

    Each country, in which your whining lot used to dwell, was eventually gravely abused by the ungrateful “chosen.” Whether Iran (remember the prostitute Esther, her obnoxious uncle, and 75 thousands murdered Iranians? - and your annual celebration of the crime!) or, more recently, Russia (http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n1p-4_Weber.html) and Germany, your obnoxious and hateful “high-functioning” psychopaths have been looking for revenge and profit. And the greater cultural debt to another nation, the more vicious the hatred.

    Morgenthau plan: http://www.fpp.co.uk/bookchapters/Morgenthau.html
    , @Frankie P
    The Iranians may have a small presence in the area close to the border, but it's not necessary at present. Now the question is whether they have set up or are setting up missile factories in the areas adjacent to Tartus Naval base, Khmeimim, and Latakia, all protected by a complex belt of interlocking defense systems including of course the S-400 and S-300VM Antey 2500 anti-aircraft missile systems. How will the Israelis deal with this? Syria and the SAA will get stronger, will get better armed, already have gained great experience, and now the great Shiite highway is open for transport! No wonder Israel is losing its sh**! US patriots have to love this comeuppance!
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  110. Cyrano says:
    @Beckow

    "Russians shouldn’t have raped all those German women"
     
    Yeah, that's the problem - WWII was all about Russians raping. Not about Germans attacking east and murdering tens of millions. How many Russian women do you think Germans 'raped'? Or maybe they just killed them, 'ubermensch', right. It doesn't seem to bother you and that is sick.

    Or this vignette:


    The regime in Moscow has one and only one goal: own hold on power"
     
    While, of course the 'regimes' in Washington or Berlin spend all their time worrying about the well-being of their citizens. You really cannot be that dumb, or can you?

    I made mistake responding to you, you are hopeless.

    I still think that the Germans got off cheaply. You can’t blame the Russians for swimming few laps in the German gene pool – if you catch my drift. I think that their favorite swimming style was butterfly – or maybe that’s the feeling the German women usually got in their bellies (butterflies) whenever they saw the handsome features of the Russians.

    In the end the Germans should be thankful that the Russians didn’t concubinse the entire German female population, although from what I hear the situation wasn’t that far off either.

    I think that “frau komm” should be recognized as the most successful pick up line in history. At the same time the Russians soldiers should be applauded for investing their time in learning the difficult German language in order to increase their appeal with the German ladies.

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    You are scum.
    , @FB

    You can’t blame the Russians for swimming few laps in the German gene pool – if you catch my drift.
     
    Sounds pretty reasonable...all things considered...

    In the end the Germans should be thankful that the Russians didn’t concubinse the entire German female population, although from what I hear the situation wasn’t that far off either.

     

    Indeed...the taking of concubines as war 'booty' is as old as war itself...

    I think that “frau komm” should be recognized as the most successful pick up line in history.

    LOL...funny thing is...it still works pretty good...
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  111. peterAUS says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty
    Probably worth revisiting this excellent article from The Saker:

    http://thesaker.is/special-report-the-truth-about-srebrenica-20-years-later/

    That’s probably off-topic but it IS sort of important to get what’s happening in the World in the light of Mladic/Praljak cases.
    Keeping the Balkans under control, that is.

    Srebrenica is one of those things where more one knows more confused he/she is.
    I’ll add a bit to that confusion regarding that Saker article which I found…..not very good.
    Don’t believe a word I am saying; just go for transcripts in Hague. Speak, if you can, with some people who were there. Both sides; actually all sides (“internationals” for example).

    Here is why:

    a large number of armed Bosnian-Muslim men had attempted a breakthrough from Srebrenica to Tuzla

    A large number of people, including a lot of civilians, with lightly armed Bosnian-Muslim men had attempted a breakthrough from Srebrenica to Tuzla. In essence, people were fleeing the area and combatants in that mass were armed men with their families there too.

    many had been killed in *combat* with Bosnian-Serbs and many actually made it to Tuzla

    That combat was rather one-sided; it was chasing down the stragglers along their path to salvation. Some groups were shelled, some surrounded and summarily executed on spot and some killed in “proper” light infantry type skirmishes along that path.

    In reality, however, the Bosnian-Muslims kept and entire Mountain Division in Srebrenica and they continued to reinforce it both by land and by air

    Pure nonsense. We are talking about large group of local men armed with light infantry weapons, organized, mostly up to a company level; pure “warlord” environment. They were incapable of having a proper organized battalion let alone a “Mountain Division”.

    At the beginning of the war, the Bosnian-Muslims had already burned down all the Bosnian-Serb villages around Srebrenica and massacred most of the civilians living they found in them (we are talking about several thousand civilians).

    Correction: burned some of Bosnian-Serb villages and massacred some of civilians there (about a couple of hundred persons). I say persons because all men of fighting age were armed. EXACTLY the same type as the men of fighting age in Muslim enclave.

    The local Bosnian-Serbs had promised that one day they would take revenge for these massacres and some of them, indeed, do that when the Bosnian-Serbs entered Srebrenica.

    Correct. That is the basis of “massacre in Srebrenica”.

    I have also come to believe that this was not a “simple” false flag attack either. Srebrenica was a simultaneous combination of the following:
    1. Combat operations between regular Bosnian-Serb forces and Bosnian-Muslim forces attempting to break out of Srebrenica.
    2. The “spontaneous” execution of a number of civilians and POWs by Bosnian-Serbs seeking revenge.
    3. The deliberate execution of a number of civilians and POWs ordered not by Bosnian-Serbs but by some Yugoslav (Federal) officials.
    4. A deliberate PSYOP by the USA to grossly inflate the number of victims and blame the Bosnian-Serbs.

    Agree with Saker here. The “3” goes into deep receses of Serbian State Security, Mr Stanisic etc.
    Those interested in topic plenty of related stuff in Hague transcripts.
    THAT is the rabbit hole even its mayor players don’t get altogether.

    the Bosnian-Serbs and Bosnian-Muslims are exactly the same ethnic group and what differentiates them is their religion. So any talk of “ethnic cleansing” is nonsensical in the Bosnian context.

    This is so STUPID I am not going to comment.

    It is quite obvious that neither Radovan Karadzic nor Ratko Mladic ever gave any orders to commit massacres. Had they wanted to issue such orders, they would have kept away from the scene and not done what Mladic did that day: bring in several bus loads of reporters and then go on TV to publicly promise the Bosnian-Muslim civilians that he personally guaranteed their safety. It is absolutely clear to me that Mladic and the Bosnian-Serbs walked into a trap carefully laid by the USA.

    Poor Saker. All up to the latest sentence IS correct.
    What he doesn’t understand is how ETHNIC MILITIAS work.
    His understanding comes, as in Hague actually, from equating modern armed force with that….thing.
    While it is true that Serb forces in Bosnia had elements of professionalism and organization, including CiC equivalent to modern standards, 90 % of that mass of armed citizenry were BALKANS MILITIA.
    Keeping those types under control …any organized control…..is just funny.
    That’s crucial misunderstanding about all that (intentional from Hague, naïve from Saker types and fanboys).
    Karadzic and Mladic could’ve wanted anything….in the field there their control of events was minimal.
    Local militia units with special political interests from Serbia proper etc simply made all that a mess. A very good time and place for mass killings.
    That applied to all Balkans players. That applies, actually, to most armed conflicts in the world where local combatants are involved.

    I am absolutely positive that the worst problem for Russian contigent in Syria aren’t Assad enemies. That’s easy to deal with.
    The problem are “own locals”.
    Keeping positive control on them is……….well….challenging is the word I guess.

    a large number of Muslims did die in Srebrenica. Some in “legitimate” combat, but other were truly executed.

    Agree.

    the real culprits are still free, especially if some of these culprits include Bosnian-Muslim officials from the Sarajevo government.

    Correction: Some of real culprits are still free and they do include Bosnian-Muslim officials and members of international community..

    I also want to repeat here that while my personal position on what really happened in Srebrenica is pretty clear, I do invite those who will disagree with it, or with any of the documents presented here, to present their own evidence and analysis.

    I just, very briefly, did.

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    And therefore..., what? It would seem you agree overall with the revisionist/skeptic point that while some kind of war crime took place there, it was exaggerated and exploited by outside political actors, and most discussions are divorced from the actual context. Is there something else I’m missing (apart from a dubious suggestion to rely on The Hague for any kind of objective information)?
    , @Robjil
    http://www.ebritic.com/?p=213256 Read this article. Robert Baer, a CIA official, states that the CIA stirred up the ethnic hatred and divisions to destroy Yugoslavia. He is very sorry for what he did and what the CIA did. He said the Srebrenica event was planned by the CIA and that he knew it would happen before it did.
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  112. polskijoe says:
    @Den Lille Abe
    I respect the Sakers opinions, mostly as they are always founded on a logical way of thinking. But I think he has misinterpreted the EU. The EU is made of sovereign nations and it is NOT a federation. Meaning a response from the EU will always be la-la. This does not mean they agree or dont agree, it means that htere was not a majority for a more distinct answer.
    The EU is not the US poodle. UK is a US poodle and we are rid of them now. Good riddance. The Eu is and will always be centred around Germany- France, historical and economical reasons. If the Franco- Germanic axis go together well, the EU will prosper, simple. And it does well , real well now.
    There is no crisis in Germany, they will get a new stable government. They have had Chancellors like Kohl and Merkel within a decade. Some countries never get a leader of this magnitude and influence.
    They just do it: Ardenauer, Kohl, Merkel.
    We have a real politik with Russia, its only the bloody Americans that are a nuisance, we dont see them as a threat anymore, it is just a big country. The Baltic states and Poland are hysterical and need to chill, have some drink and a meal and and get laid.
    Too little sex and tits makes you a neocon ;) But it must be consensual.
    The EU is doing just fine thank you Saker..

    yes the UK was encouraged by the US
    to try and prevent a strong French-German dominated EU.

    they wanted a UK-German relationship as opposed to the above.
    they accepted this as part of divide and conquer. (Anglos have a history of trying to prevent continental Europe strength).

    However a group of Brits connected to Le Cercle wanted out of EU.
    No one has heard of Le Cercle. Well they are basically a half Catholic half Neocon
    version of the Neoliberal Bilderberg group.
    However, the British version has some people in that group that didnt like EU.
    While the Americans neocons are more united in that area.

    What you have in Poland, Hungary, and a few other countries
    is a small alliance between Neocons and National Conservative Catholics.
    (the previous government was part of more Liberal-Conservative style Catholics).

    The problem is that Neocons and Catholics have different agendas.
    Neocons are more pro Israel, pro Anglo imperialism.
    The Catholic conservatives are less of that.

    I suggest further reading on the igsp covert politics website. its quite good (with some minor errors).

    Finally I agree that the countries you mentioned should chill on the antiRussian thing,
    because certain Catholic societies are trying to improve relations with Russia.

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  113. L.K says:
    @Cyrano
    I still think that the Germans got off cheaply. You can’t blame the Russians for swimming few laps in the German gene pool – if you catch my drift. I think that their favorite swimming style was butterfly – or maybe that’s the feeling the German women usually got in their bellies (butterflies) whenever they saw the handsome features of the Russians.

    In the end the Germans should be thankful that the Russians didn’t concubinse the entire German female population, although from what I hear the situation wasn’t that far off either.

    I think that “frau komm” should be recognized as the most successful pick up line in history. At the same time the Russians soldiers should be applauded for investing their time in learning the difficult German language in order to increase their appeal with the German ladies.

    You are scum.

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    Go f**k yourself.
    , @peterAUS
    Not...quite.........

    He is a youngish person from one of Balkans tribes. That's common attitude there. Plenty of history between his tribe and Germans.

    For this particular topic (Red Army rapes) he doesn't know about plenty of cases where his....idols, perhaps....pulled a lot of those in Serbia/Belgrade in WW2 on Serb women.
    Kids today don't read much of own history for sure.
    Probably because it doesn't conform to "hero worship" needs.

    As for that rape/atrocity thing.
    One could deduce that more oppressed combatants are, more likely they are to commit those.
    Opressed in own organization, community....society.
    Treated as shit by their betters.

    And then, one day, they get an opportunity to pour out all that frustration and rage on some helpless OTHER.
    Never fails.

    Human nature I guess.
    , @Beefcake the Mighty
    Indeed he is.
    , @RadicalCenter
    Yes, he is sick.
    , @jacques sheete
    Rancid scum to be more precise. Ignorant as an anal polyp, too.
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  114. @Randal

    Can you imagine how totally humiliated, ridiculed, and beaten the US leaders feel today? Being hated or resisted is one thing, but being totally ignored – now that hurts!
     
    Saker could have added to the list of self-inflicted defeats for the US regime and foreign policy elites their ongoing humiliation over North Korea, where they have endlessly tried to insist that the US has some kind of special right for its enemies not to be allowed even to possess weapons that could potentially attack them, and postured and menaced in response to the NK government's defiance, but have so far been forced to accept that they can do nothing about it, as Pat Buchanan discusses today. And as Pat points out, this is a situation entirely of the US regime's making - by operating a sustained policy of military aggressions, and especially of attacking those that foolishly rely upon submission to their demands (Gaddafi) and undermining any agreements they make (Iran), they created the situation in which going all out for a nuclear deterrent became the most rational course available for NK.

    The US might yet choose to wage another war of aggression in order to avoid yet another self-inflicted humiliation, or an unintended war might start as a result of the US regime's irresponsible military buildup and provocations, but if either happens, the costs will be colossal and any gains trivial, "win" or lose.

    But mostly the Russians are laughing their heads off wondering what in the world the folks in the West are smoking to be so totally terrified (at least officially) by a non-existing threat.
     

    That's not the only gross absurdity in US sphere society that Russians are laughing at, apparently:

    Russian TV defends men over sex pest claims

    Nor is Russia resisting the opportunity to twist the knife on the US's Korean nightmare:

    North Korea: Russia accuses US of goading Kim Jong-un

    Lavrov, like Putin, has made a practice of dropping such truth-bombs on the US regime. And who can blame them, if the US regime insists on handing them the ammunition, time after time?

    Over the past thirty years, at least, the US regime has ensured that the truth is anti-American.

    Still humorous is how the Russians got the Americans to shit a figurative (and perhaps literal) brick by asking a simple question about how, exactly, ISIS was selling all that oil.

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  115. @yurivku

    Now I resigned my commission as an Army officer, took off my uniform, and extended my arm to stop the tanks.
     
    I took off the uniform of Soviet Army officer more than 30 years ago. Was an officer in anti aircraft division.

    I hope to live to see the day of a multipolar world in peace. It is possible, but it must come from below.
     
    I hope too, but currenly a ball is on your side of a field. We (Russians) actually can't retreat any more. If US will keep its "soft harrasment" the result could be extremly bad. And I see no reason to expect sane behaviour from US establishment. They are insane, what about a majority of american people ? I don't know. But its must "come from below" of US society, not from us, we already did.

    Americans and Russians should be natural partners in a multipolar world to widespread benefit, the situation is tragic. The American ruling class is truly evil, there is no hope there. The American people are overall decent and generous, but their abysmal lack of (or even interest) in history will be their undoing, I’m afraid.

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    The American people to the greatest extent are simply ignorant and choose to remain that way,they remind me of one of the chickens we had who flew over into the hunting dogs pen and could only cluck while being eaten alive...
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  116. Cyrano says:
    @L.K
    You are scum.

    Go f**k yourself.

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  117. peterAUS says:
    @L.K
    You are scum.

    Not…quite………

    He is a youngish person from one of Balkans tribes. That’s common attitude there. Plenty of history between his tribe and Germans.

    For this particular topic (Red Army rapes) he doesn’t know about plenty of cases where his….idols, perhaps….pulled a lot of those in Serbia/Belgrade in WW2 on Serb women.
    Kids today don’t read much of own history for sure.
    Probably because it doesn’t conform to “hero worship” needs.

    As for that rape/atrocity thing.
    One could deduce that more oppressed combatants are, more likely they are to commit those.
    Opressed in own organization, community….society.
    Treated as shit by their betters.

    And then, one day, they get an opportunity to pour out all that frustration and rage on some helpless OTHER.
    Never fails.

    Human nature I guess.

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    Let me tell you something about your tribe scumbag. Of all the Slavs, Croats are the only ones who refuse to even admit that they are Slavs. Not even the Polish or Ukrainians have ever sunk that low.

    Not that anybody wants you in the Slavic family, you are embarrassment not only to the Slavs, but to the human race as well.

    Some Croats will even postulate a theory where their origins are German. Germans must be splitting themselves laughing at that stupidity – if they ever bother to pay attention to it.

    News flash: Lost German tribe found in the Balkans, they can’t speak their “mother” tongue – German – they are too stupid for that, but they are working on it. Sometime in the near future – few thousand years from now – they’ll switch to their “mother” tongue.

    In the meantime, unfortunately they have to use the language of their most hated adversary – the Serbs.

    About the Red Army rapes, judging by your intelligence, you could have benefited if your mother spent few hours in the company of Red Army soldiers. I call that genetic enhancement, you Croat degenerate.
    , @Niccolo Salo
    This is correct.

    Milovan Djilas in "Conversations with Stalin" goes at length about how he protested to Stalin in Moscow near the end of the war as Soviet troops who entered Yugoslavia (Vojvodina) where raping Serbian women and not just German/Magyar/Ruthene/Slovak/Croatian women. Stalin brushed it off with the comment "It's war. Let the men have some fun."
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  118. @jacques sheete

    Can you imagine how totally humiliated, ridiculed, and beaten the US leaders feel today? Being hated or resisted is one thing, but being totally ignored – now that hurts!
     
    Yes and no.

    As an American tax slave I totally understand how it feels to be totally humiliated, ridiculed, beaten (though not physically yet) and ignored, as have the bulk of the yeoman American from the very start. "We the people" have never been listened to and never will be, so thank goodness for the likes of the current Russian, Turkish and Iranian statesmen.

    I say "no" because the US leadership has, evidently, never had any valid human feelings, ever. The rapacious, abusive, and pompous pack of jackals have simply never functioned as sentient or respectable or civilized human beings. They've always been sociopaths, and I understand that the type has nothing that could be called feelings so I suspect that they feel nothing but a bit dazed for the moment.

    The type understands nothing but raw power, so to Abu Ghraib with them and godspeed to the rest!

    Exactly right.

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  119. bluedog says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty
    Americans and Russians should be natural partners in a multipolar world to widespread benefit, the situation is tragic. The American ruling class is truly evil, there is no hope there. The American people are overall decent and generous, but their abysmal lack of (or even interest) in history will be their undoing, I’m afraid.

    The American people to the greatest extent are simply ignorant and choose to remain that way,they remind me of one of the chickens we had who flew over into the hunting dogs pen and could only cluck while being eaten alive…

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  120. @L.K
    You are scum.

    Indeed he is.

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    See comment #116.
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  121. @peterAUS
    That's probably off-topic but it IS sort of important to get what's happening in the World in the light of Mladic/Praljak cases.
    Keeping the Balkans under control, that is.

    Srebrenica is one of those things where more one knows more confused he/she is.
    I’ll add a bit to that confusion regarding that Saker article which I found…..not very good.
    Don’t believe a word I am saying; just go for transcripts in Hague. Speak, if you can, with some people who were there. Both sides; actually all sides ("internationals" for example).

    Here is why:


    a large number of armed Bosnian-Muslim men had attempted a breakthrough from Srebrenica to Tuzla
     
    A large number of people, including a lot of civilians, with lightly armed Bosnian-Muslim men had attempted a breakthrough from Srebrenica to Tuzla. In essence, people were fleeing the area and combatants in that mass were armed men with their families there too.

    many had been killed in *combat* with Bosnian-Serbs and many actually made it to Tuzla
     
    That combat was rather one-sided; it was chasing down the stragglers along their path to salvation. Some groups were shelled, some surrounded and summarily executed on spot and some killed in “proper” light infantry type skirmishes along that path.

    In reality, however, the Bosnian-Muslims kept and entire Mountain Division in Srebrenica and they continued to reinforce it both by land and by air
     
    Pure nonsense. We are talking about large group of local men armed with light infantry weapons, organized, mostly up to a company level; pure “warlord” environment. They were incapable of having a proper organized battalion let alone a “Mountain Division”.

    At the beginning of the war, the Bosnian-Muslims had already burned down all the Bosnian-Serb villages around Srebrenica and massacred most of the civilians living they found in them (we are talking about several thousand civilians).
     
    Correction: burned some of Bosnian-Serb villages and massacred some of civilians there (about a couple of hundred persons). I say persons because all men of fighting age were armed. EXACTLY the same type as the men of fighting age in Muslim enclave.

    The local Bosnian-Serbs had promised that one day they would take revenge for these massacres and some of them, indeed, do that when the Bosnian-Serbs entered Srebrenica.
     
    Correct. That is the basis of “massacre in Srebrenica”.

    I have also come to believe that this was not a “simple” false flag attack either. Srebrenica was a simultaneous combination of the following:
    1. Combat operations between regular Bosnian-Serb forces and Bosnian-Muslim forces attempting to break out of Srebrenica.
    2. The “spontaneous” execution of a number of civilians and POWs by Bosnian-Serbs seeking revenge.
    3. The deliberate execution of a number of civilians and POWs ordered not by Bosnian-Serbs but by some Yugoslav (Federal) officials.
    4. A deliberate PSYOP by the USA to grossly inflate the number of victims and blame the Bosnian-Serbs.
     
    Agree with Saker here. The “3” goes into deep receses of Serbian State Security, Mr Stanisic etc.
    Those interested in topic plenty of related stuff in Hague transcripts.
    THAT is the rabbit hole even its mayor players don’t get altogether.

    the Bosnian-Serbs and Bosnian-Muslims are exactly the same ethnic group and what differentiates them is their religion. So any talk of “ethnic cleansing” is nonsensical in the Bosnian context.
     
    This is so STUPID I am not going to comment.

    It is quite obvious that neither Radovan Karadzic nor Ratko Mladic ever gave any orders to commit massacres. Had they wanted to issue such orders, they would have kept away from the scene and not done what Mladic did that day: bring in several bus loads of reporters and then go on TV to publicly promise the Bosnian-Muslim civilians that he personally guaranteed their safety. It is absolutely clear to me that Mladic and the Bosnian-Serbs walked into a trap carefully laid by the USA.
     
    Poor Saker. All up to the latest sentence IS correct.
    What he doesn’t understand is how ETHNIC MILITIAS work.
    His understanding comes, as in Hague actually, from equating modern armed force with that….thing.
    While it is true that Serb forces in Bosnia had elements of professionalism and organization, including CiC equivalent to modern standards, 90 % of that mass of armed citizenry were BALKANS MILITIA.
    Keeping those types under control …any organized control.....is just funny.
    That’s crucial misunderstanding about all that (intentional from Hague, naïve from Saker types and fanboys).
    Karadzic and Mladic could’ve wanted anything….in the field there their control of events was minimal.
    Local militia units with special political interests from Serbia proper etc simply made all that a mess. A very good time and place for mass killings.
    That applied to all Balkans players. That applies, actually, to most armed conflicts in the world where local combatants are involved.

    I am absolutely positive that the worst problem for Russian contigent in Syria aren’t Assad enemies. That’s easy to deal with.
    The problem are “own locals”.
    Keeping positive control on them is……….well….challenging is the word I guess.


    a large number of Muslims did die in Srebrenica. Some in “legitimate” combat, but other were truly executed.
     
    Agree.

    the real culprits are still free, especially if some of these culprits include Bosnian-Muslim officials from the Sarajevo government.
     
    Correction: Some of real culprits are still free and they do include Bosnian-Muslim officials and members of international community..

    I also want to repeat here that while my personal position on what really happened in Srebrenica is pretty clear, I do invite those who will disagree with it, or with any of the documents presented here, to present their own evidence and analysis.
     
    I just, very briefly, did.

    And therefore…, what? It would seem you agree overall with the revisionist/skeptic point that while some kind of war crime took place there, it was exaggerated and exploited by outside political actors, and most discussions are divorced from the actual context. Is there something else I’m missing (apart from a dubious suggestion to rely on The Hague for any kind of objective information)?

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    Is there something else I’m missing
     
    Oh, yes, there is. Plenty.
    But, that would require a bit of time and effort, like re-reading some parts of my post and a lot of thinking, further digging etc.
    You don't..... appear...... to be interested. Just an impression.

    So, let us just move on.
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  122. nsa says:
    @Sollipsist
    It's pretty easy to see Trump as Nero - a wealthy, crass narcissist who really wanted to be an actor. There's also the theory that Nero was specifically chosen over Brittanicus in order to discredit the throne and break the Julio-Claudian dynasty, a desperate last hope for the Republicans who had been losing ground steadily since Caesar.

    But more relevant to the discussion at hand would be the threat of Carthage while the Republic still existed. There were Senators who recognized that peace in the Mediterranean region was better served by having a competing power to balance the Roman presence. They argued passionately and rationally against wiping out Carthage, but were shouted down by the greedy hawks and others who couldn't stand having their supremacy challenged.

    The Roman’s republican army was soundly defeated at the Battle of Cannae (216 BC) by the invading army of the audacious North African, Hannibal. Thereafter, the Romans refused to confront Hannibal directly and simply followed him around the Roman countryside for ten years as he pillaged, raped, and looted. This is exactly why Sicilians and southern Italians have black kinky hair and are dark complected. Hannibal even rolled up to the gates of Rome and challenged the republicans to come out and do battle. The patient Romans did not take the bait. Hannibal did not understand the Roman republican character….they would never admit defeat and they would never come to terms with a hated enemy. Eventually, Hannibal returned to Carthage leaving behind only lots of African DNA, and so ended the Second Punic War. Immediately, the Romans began to plan the Third Punic War……Carthaginem esse delendam. The eventual result was the total disappearance of Carthage….its people, buildings, culture, history, libraries. To this day, there is no sign Carthage ever existed.

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  123. @Sherman
    Hey Genius

    "Say no to an Iran war".

    Agreed. That's why the other day Israel blasted away a nascent Iranian military base encroaching on its border.

    Russia basically watched the whole thing and laughed. Putin has little love for Iran other than to help prop up Assad.

    The more Iran and its stooges drown in the Syrian quagmire the safer the world is.

    Shalom
    Sherm

    PS - How are the PORK and beans?

    Sherman,

    With regard to the present-triumphant American-Israeli (maybe Russian?) heart of darkness, one day a long suffering native shall inevitably look upon your vanquished conqueror, and in Conrad’s words, utter,

    “Uh, Mistah Kurtz.
    He’s dead.”

    Selah The Hollow Men.

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    Ka Boooom!

    That one would be wise not to stick its head up again for a long while.
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  124. Cyrano says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty
    Indeed he is.

    See comment #116.

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    Aww, you’re so sweet; do you kiss your boyfriend with that mouth?
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  125. Cyrano says:
    @peterAUS
    Not...quite.........

    He is a youngish person from one of Balkans tribes. That's common attitude there. Plenty of history between his tribe and Germans.

    For this particular topic (Red Army rapes) he doesn't know about plenty of cases where his....idols, perhaps....pulled a lot of those in Serbia/Belgrade in WW2 on Serb women.
    Kids today don't read much of own history for sure.
    Probably because it doesn't conform to "hero worship" needs.

    As for that rape/atrocity thing.
    One could deduce that more oppressed combatants are, more likely they are to commit those.
    Opressed in own organization, community....society.
    Treated as shit by their betters.

    And then, one day, they get an opportunity to pour out all that frustration and rage on some helpless OTHER.
    Never fails.

    Human nature I guess.

    Let me tell you something about your tribe scumbag. Of all the Slavs, Croats are the only ones who refuse to even admit that they are Slavs. Not even the Polish or Ukrainians have ever sunk that low.

    Not that anybody wants you in the Slavic family, you are embarrassment not only to the Slavs, but to the human race as well.

    Some Croats will even postulate a theory where their origins are German. Germans must be splitting themselves laughing at that stupidity – if they ever bother to pay attention to it.

    News flash: Lost German tribe found in the Balkans, they can’t speak their “mother” tongue – German – they are too stupid for that, but they are working on it. Sometime in the near future – few thousand years from now – they’ll switch to their “mother” tongue.

    In the meantime, unfortunately they have to use the language of their most hated adversary – the Serbs.

    About the Red Army rapes, judging by your intelligence, you could have benefited if your mother spent few hours in the company of Red Army soldiers. I call that genetic enhancement, you Croat degenerate.

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    Good post.

    You are at least honest in showing your.....deep feelings....about THEM.
    I am sure that most of your tribe share the sentiment.
    Not that other tribes don't feel the same about yours.

    Shows that reality of "little players" in Europe most of people here refuse to see.

    Could spoil that "Russian multipolar" thing of theirs they desperately try to sell around.

    , @jacques sheete

    About the Red Army rapes, judging by your intelligence, you could have benefited if your mother spent few hours in the company of Red Army soldiers.
     
    And judging by your displays of "intelligence," nothing would have helped.

    Please help keep UR somewhat classy and take a hike. There are only a few other trolls here, but they are far too many already.
    , @Beefcake the Mighty
    You have serious issues.
    , @Niccolo Salo
    Mad because some Ante took his tractor in 1995.
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  126. Erebus says:
    @jacques sheete
    Damn, yer good!

    I try not to think about this...:


    Them days is over, for everybody really, but especially for the West because it has depleted its own hi-ROI resources...
     
    The waste sickens me to no end. Unimaginably vast quantities frittered away for no good reason. Utter stupidity has ruled for a very long time.

    Both of them, led by historically aware elites, know that Hegemony doesn’t work, so will focus on keeping their neck of the woods as stable & prosperous as possible while hell blazes elsewhere.
     
    I hope you're correct, and I do admire their restraint and true statesmanship. What a contrast between true class and pure Bozoism.

    I hope you’re correct…

    If their words (and deeds) are any indication, they have taken measure of the damage that’s been, and continues to be done to both the American state and its people by Hegemony generally, and financial hegemony ($ Reserve) specifically. That “One Ring to Rule…” has a pull on those who have, or seek power that’s all but irresistible, and they’ve sacrificed America’s enormous and creative productive capacities, and finally its socio-political coherence in support of their lunge for it. After that process was reaching its apex, they started sacrificing their vassals’ (the EU’s) as well. That the inevitability of such an outcome was noted and decried in academic circles in the ’60s (even the ’50s) went ignored. Its poets and seers, of course had been decrying it from Spengler (even Nietzsche) onwards.
    Half a century later, here we are. “No-one saw it coming”? Yeah, my flaming arse…

    The lesson is that ultimately, Hegemony destroys the nation that goes for it, and if they’re not sufficiently deft at pulling themselves away, its vassals as well.

    That’s the lesson from history a few people here would do well to learn. Both the Chinese and Russian “empire(s)” learned this lesson several times in their long histories, and don’t need to re-learn it. China’s borders changed little for a millennium (or even 2), Russia’s for centuries. Their current leadership knows it well. The founders of the US knew it and tried to inoculate their new nation against its siren call. Its more recent rulers forgot… or never learned it. There’s always a first time, I guess.

    Whether or not the Russian & Chinese elites have honestly learned the lessons of history, the reality is that seeking Global Hegemony in a world that’s entering the “right hand side” of the anomalous developmental/demographic step function that the 19th and 20th centuries represent is a fool’s errand. There’s no there there. The low-hanging resource fruits that sustain profitable Hegemonic control, much less growth are gone, and they ain’t coming back. To attempt it is to set a course for the abyss, and perhaps take your vassals and, in the nuclear age, even the RoW with you.

    To be sure, Russia and China’s current leadership will be replaced, and whether their successors will be as enlightened is a crap shoot. ‘Twas ever thus. As the 21stC goes by, the world’s and individual nations’ leadership and situation will morph with the times. Multipolarity is not some infinitely powerful panacea that solves all of humanity’s problems forever. It’s simply the only viable answer to the problems posed by Globalization in a world of diminishing resources, and offers a template (mutatis mutandis) that can be used in solving future problems. Only up to a point, of course but multipolarity’s great advantage as a global system is that it can dissolve itself, in whole or in part without threatening life on earth. Global Hegemony carries far greater risks when it fails.

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  127. peterAUS says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty
    And therefore..., what? It would seem you agree overall with the revisionist/skeptic point that while some kind of war crime took place there, it was exaggerated and exploited by outside political actors, and most discussions are divorced from the actual context. Is there something else I’m missing (apart from a dubious suggestion to rely on The Hague for any kind of objective information)?

    Is there something else I’m missing

    Oh, yes, there is. Plenty.
    But, that would require a bit of time and effort, like re-reading some parts of my post and a lot of thinking, further digging etc.
    You don’t….. appear…… to be interested. Just an impression.

    So, let us just move on.

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  128. peterAUS says:
    @Cyrano
    Let me tell you something about your tribe scumbag. Of all the Slavs, Croats are the only ones who refuse to even admit that they are Slavs. Not even the Polish or Ukrainians have ever sunk that low.

    Not that anybody wants you in the Slavic family, you are embarrassment not only to the Slavs, but to the human race as well.

    Some Croats will even postulate a theory where their origins are German. Germans must be splitting themselves laughing at that stupidity – if they ever bother to pay attention to it.

    News flash: Lost German tribe found in the Balkans, they can’t speak their “mother” tongue – German – they are too stupid for that, but they are working on it. Sometime in the near future – few thousand years from now – they’ll switch to their “mother” tongue.

    In the meantime, unfortunately they have to use the language of their most hated adversary – the Serbs.

    About the Red Army rapes, judging by your intelligence, you could have benefited if your mother spent few hours in the company of Red Army soldiers. I call that genetic enhancement, you Croat degenerate.

    Good post.

    You are at least honest in showing your…..deep feelings….about THEM.
    I am sure that most of your tribe share the sentiment.
    Not that other tribes don’t feel the same about yours.

    Shows that reality of “little players” in Europe most of people here refuse to see.

    Could spoil that “Russian multipolar” thing of theirs they desperately try to sell around.

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  129. @Cyrano
    See comment #116.

    Aww, you’re so sweet; do you kiss your boyfriend with that mouth?

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  130. @Vidi

    The main weakness of that “multipolar” view is seeing Russia/China as benevolent and US as malevolent player.
     
    Considering that the U.S. is currently draining about $150 billion from Europe every year (about 10% of Europe's GDP), I would say that's pretty malevolent. Russia and China aren't doing anything remotely similar.

    Considering that the U.S. is currently draining about $150 billion from Europe every year (about 10% of Europe’s GDP)

    Europe’s economy is only $1.5 trillion?

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  131. @L.K
    You are scum.

    Yes, he is sick.

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  132. @Vidi
    From Patrick Armstrong's article (a good one, by the way):

    A Russian threat is good for business: there’s poor money in a threat made of IEDs, bomb vests and small arms. Big profits require big threats.
     
    Actually, I'd say the Russian threat is necessary to keep the Europeans too frightened to protest while the U.S. steals wealth from them. After all, when the U.S. imports goods and "pays" for them with printed money, it is basically stealing those goods. The U.S. is draining a lot of wealth from Europe (like $150 billion a year), so something must be done to keep them docile. Russia's perfect for that.

    After all, when the U.S. imports goods and “pays” for them with printed money, it is basically stealing those goods.

    Um, Europeans also use “printed money.”

    Also, the thing about trade is that it’s voluntary. Evidently, the Europeans – just like everyone else on earth – is willing to accept dollars, so even if only Americans used “printed money,” it still wouldn’t amount to theft.

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  133. @L.K
    You are scum.

    Rancid scum to be more precise. Ignorant as an anal polyp, too.

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    You have nailed, Jacques.

    Not only is this cyrano person a scummy SOB, he is dumber than a bag of rocks...

    For example, under Israel Shamir's latest piece, this idiot wrote the following re Boris Nemtsov:
    "I think that Nemtsov chances for political career in Russia were doomed the moment he got born with that name. Nemtsov – if I am not mistaken – in Russian means “belonging to the Germans” or simply German. I have a lot of fun with that name, various Slavs call the Germans Nemtsi, which in Slavic languages means “mutes”."

    Except Nemtsov was of Jewish origin, not German. In fact, Jews are disproportionately numerous as members of the opposition to Putin, and this acc to Israeli media.

    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2015/03/03/nearly-all-the-leaders-of-the-liberal-opposition-in-russia-are-either-fully-jewish-or-have-jewish-background/

    “Nearly all the leaders of the liberal opposition [in Russia] are either fully Jewish or have Jewish background”

    An article in The Jerusalem Post, excerpted below, notes the very prominent role of Jews within Russia in opposing Putin — Putin refers to the opposition as a “fifth column” in Russia. But, in addition to foreign policy differences, there are also overtones of festering resentment about the role of Jewish oligarchs under Yeltsin in looting the country. Nemtsov, as noted in the article, was second in command to Yeltsin.
     
    Well worth reading the article in its entirety.

    Cheers
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  134. @ChuckOrloski
    Sherman,

    With regard to the present-triumphant American-Israeli (maybe Russian?) heart of darkness, one day a long suffering native shall inevitably look upon your vanquished conqueror, and in Conrad's words, utter,

    "Uh, Mistah Kurtz.
    He's dead."

    Selah The Hollow Men.

    Ka Boooom!

    That one would be wise not to stick its head up again for a long while.

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  135. @Cyrano
    Let me tell you something about your tribe scumbag. Of all the Slavs, Croats are the only ones who refuse to even admit that they are Slavs. Not even the Polish or Ukrainians have ever sunk that low.

    Not that anybody wants you in the Slavic family, you are embarrassment not only to the Slavs, but to the human race as well.

    Some Croats will even postulate a theory where their origins are German. Germans must be splitting themselves laughing at that stupidity – if they ever bother to pay attention to it.

    News flash: Lost German tribe found in the Balkans, they can’t speak their “mother” tongue – German – they are too stupid for that, but they are working on it. Sometime in the near future – few thousand years from now – they’ll switch to their “mother” tongue.

    In the meantime, unfortunately they have to use the language of their most hated adversary – the Serbs.

    About the Red Army rapes, judging by your intelligence, you could have benefited if your mother spent few hours in the company of Red Army soldiers. I call that genetic enhancement, you Croat degenerate.

    About the Red Army rapes, judging by your intelligence, you could have benefited if your mother spent few hours in the company of Red Army soldiers.

    And judging by your displays of “intelligence,” nothing would have helped.

    Please help keep UR somewhat classy and take a hike. There are only a few other trolls here, but they are far too many already.

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    You got that right. You can't improve on perfection. But look at you, you miserable c*nt. Blaming the Jews for everything and glorifying the Nazis. Yeah, you got it all worked out, all you have to do is wait for the 4th Reich to come around and everything is going to O.K.
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  136. @Cyrano
    Let me tell you something about your tribe scumbag. Of all the Slavs, Croats are the only ones who refuse to even admit that they are Slavs. Not even the Polish or Ukrainians have ever sunk that low.

    Not that anybody wants you in the Slavic family, you are embarrassment not only to the Slavs, but to the human race as well.

    Some Croats will even postulate a theory where their origins are German. Germans must be splitting themselves laughing at that stupidity – if they ever bother to pay attention to it.

    News flash: Lost German tribe found in the Balkans, they can’t speak their “mother” tongue – German – they are too stupid for that, but they are working on it. Sometime in the near future – few thousand years from now – they’ll switch to their “mother” tongue.

    In the meantime, unfortunately they have to use the language of their most hated adversary – the Serbs.

    About the Red Army rapes, judging by your intelligence, you could have benefited if your mother spent few hours in the company of Red Army soldiers. I call that genetic enhancement, you Croat degenerate.

    You have serious issues.

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  137. Cyrano says:

    They deleted few of my responses to my fans on this site. Maybe because I was mentioning the members of your families and yourselves in some graphic descriptions. Anyway, let me address all of you: The Jews are not the problem. Muslims are not the problem. Third world immigrants are not the problem. The Russians are not the problem. You are the problem and your sick societies. But don’t listen to me, keep voting in your stupid elections and you’re going to fix everything. Because you are so civilized, while your whole civilization is crumbling around you, you come to sites like this to display your “understanding” of things. Great job, keep it up.

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    Thanks for the advice.
    , @bluedog
    One who gets it!!!! Every time an American goes to the polls to pull that handle he only makes the yoke a little tighter while always blaming the other guy. But of course what would one expect from a government a shinning light on the hill that would murder its own sitting president and his brother..
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  138. L.K says:
    @jacques sheete
    Rancid scum to be more precise. Ignorant as an anal polyp, too.

    You have nailed, Jacques.

    Not only is this cyrano person a scummy SOB, he is dumber than a bag of rocks…

    For example, under Israel Shamir’s latest piece, this idiot wrote the following re Boris Nemtsov:
    “I think that Nemtsov chances for political career in Russia were doomed the moment he got born with that name. Nemtsov – if I am not mistaken – in Russian means “belonging to the Germans” or simply German. I have a lot of fun with that name, various Slavs call the Germans Nemtsi, which in Slavic languages means “mutes”.”

    Except Nemtsov was of Jewish origin, not German. In fact, Jews are disproportionately numerous as members of the opposition to Putin, and this acc to Israeli media.

    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2015/03/03/nearly-all-the-leaders-of-the-liberal-opposition-in-russia-are-either-fully-jewish-or-have-jewish-background/

    “Nearly all the leaders of the liberal opposition [in Russia] are either fully Jewish or have Jewish background”

    An article in The Jerusalem Post, excerpted below, notes the very prominent role of Jews within Russia in opposing Putin — Putin refers to the opposition as a “fifth column” in Russia. But, in addition to foreign policy differences, there are also overtones of festering resentment about the role of Jewish oligarchs under Yeltsin in looting the country. Nemtsov, as noted in the article, was second in command to Yeltsin.

    Well worth reading the article in its entirety.

    Cheers

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    I feel honored that you devoted time to study some of my earlier work. That only proves how important I am in your life. I am sorry that I've disappointed you with my comment on Nemtsov. I know that you've become accustomed to a higher quality analysis from me. Your support means a lot to me, keep reading my comments - that's the only way you're going to learn something.
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  139. Wally says: • Website
    @Randal

    He died as a warrior telling truth, and perhaps earned some forgiveness for what he had done in the past
     
    Forgiveness might be another matter, but for sure he acted in a manly manner, worthy of respect - suicide in the face of injustice that cannot be fought, or in the face of irrevocable defeat, is surely appropriate and virtuous (Christian theology is clearly wrong on this), and defeat in itself is no refutation, for the material world is not a place of universal justice. The final crime of Saddam Hussein was allowing himself to be captured alive.

    The US rejects the idea of submitting its military men to judgement for "war crimes" by foreign tribunals, and that is surely the way things ought to be for every nation. Foreign tribunals merely enact injustice, often mere "victor's justice", and the ICTY like the ICC merely proves the point.

    “Foreign tribunals merely enact injustice, often mere “victor’s justice”, and the ICTY like the ICC merely proves the point.”

    Indeed, the fraud of the Nuremberg Show Trials prove that fact.

    U.S. Congressional Representative, Lawrence H. Smith of Wisconsin said:

    ” The Nuremberg Trials are so repugnant to the Anglo-Saxon principles of justice that we must forever be ashamed of that page in our history.”
    Congressional Record, appendix, v.95, sec.14, 6/15/49

    http://www.codoh.com

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  140. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Anon
    It is the stupidity of the alphabet agencies and their handlers that is really depressing. Guess many years of unnatural selection for the most opportunistic and sycophantic have finally caught up with the whole system. Not a single intelligent, principled, honest and patriotic man among the "deciders.” None. Same seems to be true for the obedient and high-placed operatives in the nationals security apparatus.
    The stunning Awan Affair -- the whole US Congress was spied on and the classified info could have been sold to foreign nations -- and the miserable Steel Affair of make belief are both strong indicators that the overblown and obscenely expensive national security apparatus is not about the security and nation.
    It is nothing but failure.
    Whether the CrowdStrike fraud or the "expertise" from various Kaganists' "think tanks" -- like the presstituting Atlantic Council featuring as its star expert a profoundly ignorant and Russophobic Eliot Higgins, a former salesperson of ladies underwear (on a par with the “expertise” of the Atlantic Council directors) – the US has become ZUSA, with a voracious host making a feast on the zombified country.

    It is the stupidity of the alphabet agencies and their handlers that is really depressing. Guess many years of unnatural selection for the most opportunistic and sycophantic have finally caught up with the whole system. Not a single intelligent, principled, honest and patriotic man among the “deciders.”

    As George Kennan warned would be the case when the CIA was founded.

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    Interesting. Kennan was a recognized expert in Russian/Soviet history.
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  141. Cyrano says:
    @jacques sheete

    About the Red Army rapes, judging by your intelligence, you could have benefited if your mother spent few hours in the company of Red Army soldiers.
     
    And judging by your displays of "intelligence," nothing would have helped.

    Please help keep UR somewhat classy and take a hike. There are only a few other trolls here, but they are far too many already.

    You got that right. You can’t improve on perfection. But look at you, you miserable c*nt. Blaming the Jews for everything and glorifying the Nazis. Yeah, you got it all worked out, all you have to do is wait for the 4th Reich to come around and everything is going to O.K.

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  142. @Cyrano
    They deleted few of my responses to my fans on this site. Maybe because I was mentioning the members of your families and yourselves in some graphic descriptions. Anyway, let me address all of you: The Jews are not the problem. Muslims are not the problem. Third world immigrants are not the problem. The Russians are not the problem. You are the problem and your sick societies. But don’t listen to me, keep voting in your stupid elections and you’re going to fix everything. Because you are so civilized, while your whole civilization is crumbling around you, you come to sites like this to display your “understanding” of things. Great job, keep it up.

    Thanks for the advice.

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    Don't mention it. I know it's been wasted on you.
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  143. Cyrano says:
    @L.K
    You have nailed, Jacques.

    Not only is this cyrano person a scummy SOB, he is dumber than a bag of rocks...

    For example, under Israel Shamir's latest piece, this idiot wrote the following re Boris Nemtsov:
    "I think that Nemtsov chances for political career in Russia were doomed the moment he got born with that name. Nemtsov – if I am not mistaken – in Russian means “belonging to the Germans” or simply German. I have a lot of fun with that name, various Slavs call the Germans Nemtsi, which in Slavic languages means “mutes”."

    Except Nemtsov was of Jewish origin, not German. In fact, Jews are disproportionately numerous as members of the opposition to Putin, and this acc to Israeli media.

    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2015/03/03/nearly-all-the-leaders-of-the-liberal-opposition-in-russia-are-either-fully-jewish-or-have-jewish-background/

    “Nearly all the leaders of the liberal opposition [in Russia] are either fully Jewish or have Jewish background”

    An article in The Jerusalem Post, excerpted below, notes the very prominent role of Jews within Russia in opposing Putin — Putin refers to the opposition as a “fifth column” in Russia. But, in addition to foreign policy differences, there are also overtones of festering resentment about the role of Jewish oligarchs under Yeltsin in looting the country. Nemtsov, as noted in the article, was second in command to Yeltsin.
     
    Well worth reading the article in its entirety.

    Cheers

    I feel honored that you devoted time to study some of my earlier work. That only proves how important I am in your life. I am sorry that I’ve disappointed you with my comment on Nemtsov. I know that you’ve become accustomed to a higher quality analysis from me. Your support means a lot to me, keep reading my comments – that’s the only way you’re going to learn something.

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  144. Cyrano says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty
    Thanks for the advice.

    Don’t mention it. I know it’s been wasted on you.

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  145. @peterAUS
    Not...quite.........

    He is a youngish person from one of Balkans tribes. That's common attitude there. Plenty of history between his tribe and Germans.

    For this particular topic (Red Army rapes) he doesn't know about plenty of cases where his....idols, perhaps....pulled a lot of those in Serbia/Belgrade in WW2 on Serb women.
    Kids today don't read much of own history for sure.
    Probably because it doesn't conform to "hero worship" needs.

    As for that rape/atrocity thing.
    One could deduce that more oppressed combatants are, more likely they are to commit those.
    Opressed in own organization, community....society.
    Treated as shit by their betters.

    And then, one day, they get an opportunity to pour out all that frustration and rage on some helpless OTHER.
    Never fails.

    Human nature I guess.

    This is correct.

    Milovan Djilas in “Conversations with Stalin” goes at length about how he protested to Stalin in Moscow near the end of the war as Soviet troops who entered Yugoslavia (Vojvodina) where raping Serbian women and not just German/Magyar/Ruthene/Slovak/Croatian women. Stalin brushed it off with the comment “It’s war. Let the men have some fun.”

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    Yup. Know the book.

    Read a bit about that "mass rape" topic re Red Army on their "roll" over Eastern Europe.
    Quite interesting.

    I believe, though, it wasn't just about retribution and Stalin regime wanting to punish Germans and the rest. It went much deeper than that. Where and why I don't think we could discuss here.

    For example, Red Army there in Serbia.
    At the same time and place, not Tito Partisans.

    The very topic is loaded and politicized to the brim.
    Getting to the bottom of it could be an interesting and probably quite uncomfortable exercise.
    And definitely not very flattering for some people. Also, could affect that "hero worship" we have around here. Can't have that.
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  146. @Cyrano
    Let me tell you something about your tribe scumbag. Of all the Slavs, Croats are the only ones who refuse to even admit that they are Slavs. Not even the Polish or Ukrainians have ever sunk that low.

    Not that anybody wants you in the Slavic family, you are embarrassment not only to the Slavs, but to the human race as well.

    Some Croats will even postulate a theory where their origins are German. Germans must be splitting themselves laughing at that stupidity – if they ever bother to pay attention to it.

    News flash: Lost German tribe found in the Balkans, they can’t speak their “mother” tongue – German – they are too stupid for that, but they are working on it. Sometime in the near future – few thousand years from now – they’ll switch to their “mother” tongue.

    In the meantime, unfortunately they have to use the language of their most hated adversary – the Serbs.

    About the Red Army rapes, judging by your intelligence, you could have benefited if your mother spent few hours in the company of Red Army soldiers. I call that genetic enhancement, you Croat degenerate.

    Mad because some Ante took his tractor in 1995.

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    Go pray to virgin Mary, you stupid.
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  147. yurivku says:
    @jacques sheete

    So we have to prepare to die hard, what else can we do

     

    Either go down fighting or lick their nether parts as usual, forever, I guess!

    For now I'm happy, like Mennipus. Harass 'em; never let them enjoy a moment's peace or their ill gotten "gains."


    MENIPPUS

    “Well, you scum of your respective nations, let there be no misunderstanding; I am going on just the same. Wherever you are, there shall I be also; worrying, jeering, singing you down.”

    LUCIAN, DIALOGUES OF DEAD 1 - 20
    3 (2). SHADES TO PLUTO AGAINST MENIPPUS

     

    I must say that Saker did one helluva job here. He really hit a ton of nails on the head. I must say though that although I understand the need for a sexy title, it really isn't a war between the US and Russia. It's a war between the gangster owners of the US and the Russian people and leaders.

    Wouldn't our scum bags just love to get their greasy paws on Russia's resources, and to keep them from linking up with their neighbors? I can't wait til the Western Euros get a pair.

    Either go down fighting or lick their nether parts as usual, forever, I guess!

    If to speak about Russians, you can be sure – as always we’ll fight up to the end, bit this battle gonna be with those americans who are sleeping now an eating fake news when awake.

    Of course if again fifth column not succeed to open the gates of our fortress…

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    Agree
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  148. Vidi says:
    @Sergey Krieger
    If you have been following recent developments you sure know that USA homeland is a fare game now if USA dares wrong country. The key in your post was Iraq and Vietnam. Not exactly peers but USA is trying hard to provoke Russia. If Russian territory is attacked so will be USA proper. I bet you do not want to learn how it looks like.

    If Russian territory is attacked so will be USA proper. I bet [Americans] do not want to learn how it looks like.

    While the U.S. homeland is being pounded by Russia, the Americans could give no help to their little client state in the Middle East. That is when the Zionists will start to learn that constantly infuriating the neighbours isn’t smart, as they’ll retaliate. And Israel will truly feel the pain if the Americans should lose the war — distinctly possible if China joins the party. If the crazy neocons could see this, they would not be so eager to ignite the Third World War.

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    "If the crazy neocons could see this, they would not be so eager to ignite the Third World War."
    Gesheft and mythology beat reason.
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  149. Vidi says:
    @Beckow

    "U.S. imports goods and “pays” for them with printed money, it is basically stealing those goods"
     
    Yes, that's technically true. But as with lying, it takes two to do it. A lier needs a willing accomplice to lie to, and a scam with fiat money also requires two sides to do the transactions. US has invested a lot (of that same printed money) to buy itself elite loyalty in Europe. It is the core of the system - people in Europe who play along get rewarded.

    So it can go on for quite some time. It is a well-thought out system. As with all quasi-pyramide schemes it stops working when it cannot grow more and starts shrinking. That's when people head for the exits. The same positive dynamic that drove it on the way up creates a panic on the way down. We are probably one or two generations away from that point - there is a lot of room to grow left. And all the resistance around the world makes it more stable because it provides a meaning and a sense of boundaries.

    US has invested a lot (of that same printed money) to buy itself elite loyalty in Europe. It is the core of the system – people in Europe who play along get rewarded….So it can go on for quite some time.

    That may be true, but only IF Americans continue to restrain their appetites to merely ten percent of Europe’s GDP per year. I doubt they will: their ongoing wars are extremely expensive, and Trump may start some new ones; their infrastructure desperately needs some trillions of dollars; and in spite of that their government continues cutting taxes. In the coming years, I think a 150-billion-dollar annual drain will start to look small, and the Europeans will start to notice that they are being robbed blind by the Americans.

    Note that I’m not even factoring in a highly probable financial crash, far worse than 2008.

    So very soon, I think that Europe will rebel against the AngloZionist Empire. So in order to forestall revolt, the AngloZionists are hyping up the Russian threat.

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    "in order to forestall revolt, the AngloZionists are hyping up the Russian threat"
     
    There are multiple reasons why the hype is taking place, that is one of them. But there is a lot of fault with European elites who simply cannot get over their simultaneous hatred of the east (=Russia) and their silly indulgence of the Third World. It is a pathology, they have lost it.

    Financial crash is quite improbable. Don't forget, we are dealing with fiat 'printed' money. It is effectively play money. And as long as everyone wants to play, it will be fine. All current alternatives are worse.

    My guess is that Trump won't start new wars for them. So they want him out. The bluster is fake, Trump is by nature a peace-loving guy.
    , @polskijoe
    Originally the Pan Europa project had more Catholic involvement.
    Back then the Habsburg guy called out the US was too much influenced by Jewish folk.
    Then Churchill called the European continent as "too Christian". Churchill was of course a freemason.

    When the Liberal West won the war (at least in becoming a dominant force), the face of Europe started changing.
    We had the cultural revolution spreading. And now Europe is struggling both religiously and racially.
    Divided.

    A few elites in Europe want own way, but the vast majority of them are either American friendly or scared of the US elites and continue.

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  150. prusmc says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    their only credible defence in the event of open warfare is their nuclear arsenal
     
    Sir, don't repeat discredited propaganda memes. If you don't trust me, which is fine, read opinion on the man who has decades of working and serving with this very NATO, not to mention his deep knowledge on military-diplomatic terms of Russia.

    https://patrickarmstrong.ca/2017/11/23/nato-a-dangerous-paper-tiger/

    In fact, it is the United States who is the most likely user of its nuclear arsenal and it has nothing to do with Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombing.

    How is tbis going to take place even if yhe US was sttacked? There is an insubordinare clique of General Officers in the armed forces personified by the Air Force General in command of what used to be SAC who announced he will not obey or subvert Presidential orders. Below that are the social judtices wsrriors such as the superindents at the Military and Air Force Acafemies and the Naval War College. Few GOs and FOs on active duty today didn’t receive most of their stars under Obama.Most will bide time after Pese becomes President in 2018 until Kamala Harris / Joe Biden/ Julian Castro/Richard Murphy/Deveal Patrick/John Hickenlooper take power. Then will have a new fighting team to advance the csuse.

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  151. iffen says:
    @peterAUS

    Unless I missed a best seller or a world-wide ism in the last few decades, I do not see any grounds for assuming that elites will abandon the use and manipulation of the fear of external threats in order to maintain and strengthen the internal cohesion of the nation state. It has worked for millennia. Why would it stop working now? Why would they abandon something that has worked forever?
     
    Agree.

    But, at the same time, globalist elites do seek a way to use the same method on global scale.
    There is a possible scenario where a global economic recession happens. In that case they could use THAT fear to impose a certain mode of global governnance.
    The "Global Warming" scare was, I guess, an attempt in that direction.

    Say, "old school" elites used/use internal cohesion of national state.
    The "new school" elites prefer the "global scare".

    Something like that.
    Big topic I guess.

    Say, “old school” elites used/use internal cohesion of national state.
    The “new school” elites prefer the “global scare”.

    In case you missed this:

    https://aeon.co/essays/capitalists-need-the-nation-state-more-than-it-needs-them

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    Good article.
    Doesn't change my quote, much.

    It actually states

    A truly global economy, in which economic activity is unmoored from its national base, would necessitate transnational rule-making institutions that match the global scale and scope of markets. But there are no such institutions.

     

    Not now.
    And globalists work hard on getting them.

    Their problem is a difficulty in getting those institutions. Military in particular.

    I guess their challenge is how to have US military patriotic enough to be efficient/effective and , at the same time, not patriotic enough so it can work as Global, not US entity.

    Big topic I guess.
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  152. @Wally
    So having Big Government seize other peoples money and doing what they do with money is a good thing?

    Seriously?

    The top 20% pay 95% of taxes, middle class, single digits.

    50% of US workers pay no federal taxes, but receive all the benefits as if they did.

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/omb-top-20-pay-95-of-taxes-middle-class-single-digits/article/2638746

    I agreed with your comment. Just one correction so that we are accurate: about half of US individual filers pay no federal income tax, but I believe that they do pay Medicare tax (1.45%) and Social Security a/k/a FICA tax (6.2% by employee and 6.2% by employer, if I remember right).

    On the other hand, of the lower-income households that pay FICA and Medicare but not income tax, many qualify for the so-called refundable Earned Income Tax Credit. They often “get back” more than they ever paid in all three of those fed taxes combined.

    For this reason among others, I’d favor repealing the fed income tax and replacing it with a federal sales tax instead (gradually).

    Another benefit of a fed sales tax instead of income tax: illegal aliens and others working off the books pay sales tax in daily life, but not income tax. That is Millions of people. People deriving income from criminal activity, such as dealing heroin and coke and meth, also pay sales tax in daily life but not income tax.

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  153. @Den Lille Abe
    I respect the Sakers opinions, mostly as they are always founded on a logical way of thinking. But I think he has misinterpreted the EU. The EU is made of sovereign nations and it is NOT a federation. Meaning a response from the EU will always be la-la. This does not mean they agree or dont agree, it means that htere was not a majority for a more distinct answer.
    The EU is not the US poodle. UK is a US poodle and we are rid of them now. Good riddance. The Eu is and will always be centred around Germany- France, historical and economical reasons. If the Franco- Germanic axis go together well, the EU will prosper, simple. And it does well , real well now.
    There is no crisis in Germany, they will get a new stable government. They have had Chancellors like Kohl and Merkel within a decade. Some countries never get a leader of this magnitude and influence.
    They just do it: Ardenauer, Kohl, Merkel.
    We have a real politik with Russia, its only the bloody Americans that are a nuisance, we dont see them as a threat anymore, it is just a big country. The Baltic states and Poland are hysterical and need to chill, have some drink and a meal and and get laid.
    Too little sex and tits makes you a neocon ;) But it must be consensual.
    The EU is doing just fine thank you Saker..

    Your absurd EU, including France and surprisingly now Germany, is becoming Islamic at a rapid pace. Wake up. We face the prospect of a Balkanized Islamic EU and mexicanized USA. It was eminently avoidable.

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  154. @yurivku

    Either go down fighting or lick their nether parts as usual, forever, I guess!

     

    If to speak about Russians, you can be sure - as always we'll fight up to the end, bit this battle gonna be with those americans who are sleeping now an eating fake news when awake.

    Of course if again fifth column not succeed to open the gates of our fortress...

    Agree

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  155. @jacques sheete

    They argued passionately and rationally against wiping out Carthage, but were shouted down by the greedy hawks and others who couldn’t stand having their supremacy challenged.
     
    The US used to have many people who could and did argue passionately and rationally against wiping out Germany, even in Congress, but were likewise shouted down and otherwise outmaneuvered by the greedy hawks and others who couldn’t stand having their supremacy challenged and never could have enough shekels in their pockets.

    They've all gone down the memory hole and we have no one like that today outside of Ron Paul who is rational but not so much passionate; a treasured and principled lone voice in the cesspool.

    It's amazing how the will of the people was ignored, disregarded and circumvented as well. Tragic too.

    And Senator Rand Paul, Congressman Justin Amash of Michigan, Congressman Thimas Massie of Kentucky, and a few others. But far too few, as is evident from the US government’s Almost unimpressed rampage over decades now.

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  156. bluedog says:
    @Cyrano
    They deleted few of my responses to my fans on this site. Maybe because I was mentioning the members of your families and yourselves in some graphic descriptions. Anyway, let me address all of you: The Jews are not the problem. Muslims are not the problem. Third world immigrants are not the problem. The Russians are not the problem. You are the problem and your sick societies. But don’t listen to me, keep voting in your stupid elections and you’re going to fix everything. Because you are so civilized, while your whole civilization is crumbling around you, you come to sites like this to display your “understanding” of things. Great job, keep it up.

    One who gets it!!!! Every time an American goes to the polls to pull that handle he only makes the yoke a little tighter while always blaming the other guy. But of course what would one expect from a government a shinning light on the hill that would murder its own sitting president and his brother..

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  157. Beckow says:
    @Vidi

    US has invested a lot (of that same printed money) to buy itself elite loyalty in Europe. It is the core of the system – people in Europe who play along get rewarded....So it can go on for quite some time.
     
    That may be true, but only IF Americans continue to restrain their appetites to merely ten percent of Europe's GDP per year. I doubt they will: their ongoing wars are extremely expensive, and Trump may start some new ones; their infrastructure desperately needs some trillions of dollars; and in spite of that their government continues cutting taxes. In the coming years, I think a 150-billion-dollar annual drain will start to look small, and the Europeans will start to notice that they are being robbed blind by the Americans.

    Note that I'm not even factoring in a highly probable financial crash, far worse than 2008.

    So very soon, I think that Europe will rebel against the AngloZionist Empire. So in order to forestall revolt, the AngloZionists are hyping up the Russian threat.

    “in order to forestall revolt, the AngloZionists are hyping up the Russian threat”

    There are multiple reasons why the hype is taking place, that is one of them. But there is a lot of fault with European elites who simply cannot get over their simultaneous hatred of the east (=Russia) and their silly indulgence of the Third World. It is a pathology, they have lost it.

    Financial crash is quite improbable. Don’t forget, we are dealing with fiat ‘printed’ money. It is effectively play money. And as long as everyone wants to play, it will be fine. All current alternatives are worse.

    My guess is that Trump won’t start new wars for them. So they want him out. The bluster is fake, Trump is by nature a peace-loving guy.

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    Now, we two disagree on pretty much everything, but

    Financial crash is quite improbable. Don’t forget, we are dealing with fiat ‘printed’ money. It is effectively play money. And as long as everyone wants to play, it will be fine. All current alternatives are worse.
     
    is a very interesting thought, IMHO.

    I guess.......that a lot of current world problems stem from the current financial system. Almost nobody understands it so it's easy to blame Deep State, Illuminati , Satan and aliens.

    I personally believe that is the crux.
    Can't say I get it I am afraid.

    Agree that all alternatives appear worse. Not expert, so, can't be sure.

    My point is that fiat, apparently, sooner or later creates crisis.
    My understanding is that those crises so far have been addressed by decent wars.
    Can't have that now with MAD.

    So...not good, can't be fixed and could result in MAD looks like.

    Feels as, literally, dead end.
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  158. Robjil says:
    @peterAUS
    That's probably off-topic but it IS sort of important to get what's happening in the World in the light of Mladic/Praljak cases.
    Keeping the Balkans under control, that is.

    Srebrenica is one of those things where more one knows more confused he/she is.
    I’ll add a bit to that confusion regarding that Saker article which I found…..not very good.
    Don’t believe a word I am saying; just go for transcripts in Hague. Speak, if you can, with some people who were there. Both sides; actually all sides ("internationals" for example).

    Here is why:


    a large number of armed Bosnian-Muslim men had attempted a breakthrough from Srebrenica to Tuzla
     
    A large number of people, including a lot of civilians, with lightly armed Bosnian-Muslim men had attempted a breakthrough from Srebrenica to Tuzla. In essence, people were fleeing the area and combatants in that mass were armed men with their families there too.

    many had been killed in *combat* with Bosnian-Serbs and many actually made it to Tuzla
     
    That combat was rather one-sided; it was chasing down the stragglers along their path to salvation. Some groups were shelled, some surrounded and summarily executed on spot and some killed in “proper” light infantry type skirmishes along that path.

    In reality, however, the Bosnian-Muslims kept and entire Mountain Division in Srebrenica and they continued to reinforce it both by land and by air
     
    Pure nonsense. We are talking about large group of local men armed with light infantry weapons, organized, mostly up to a company level; pure “warlord” environment. They were incapable of having a proper organized battalion let alone a “Mountain Division”.

    At the beginning of the war, the Bosnian-Muslims had already burned down all the Bosnian-Serb villages around Srebrenica and massacred most of the civilians living they found in them (we are talking about several thousand civilians).
     
    Correction: burned some of Bosnian-Serb villages and massacred some of civilians there (about a couple of hundred persons). I say persons because all men of fighting age were armed. EXACTLY the same type as the men of fighting age in Muslim enclave.

    The local Bosnian-Serbs had promised that one day they would take revenge for these massacres and some of them, indeed, do that when the Bosnian-Serbs entered Srebrenica.
     
    Correct. That is the basis of “massacre in Srebrenica”.

    I have also come to believe that this was not a “simple” false flag attack either. Srebrenica was a simultaneous combination of the following:
    1. Combat operations between regular Bosnian-Serb forces and Bosnian-Muslim forces attempting to break out of Srebrenica.
    2. The “spontaneous” execution of a number of civilians and POWs by Bosnian-Serbs seeking revenge.
    3. The deliberate execution of a number of civilians and POWs ordered not by Bosnian-Serbs but by some Yugoslav (Federal) officials.
    4. A deliberate PSYOP by the USA to grossly inflate the number of victims and blame the Bosnian-Serbs.
     
    Agree with Saker here. The “3” goes into deep receses of Serbian State Security, Mr Stanisic etc.
    Those interested in topic plenty of related stuff in Hague transcripts.
    THAT is the rabbit hole even its mayor players don’t get altogether.

    the Bosnian-Serbs and Bosnian-Muslims are exactly the same ethnic group and what differentiates them is their religion. So any talk of “ethnic cleansing” is nonsensical in the Bosnian context.
     
    This is so STUPID I am not going to comment.

    It is quite obvious that neither Radovan Karadzic nor Ratko Mladic ever gave any orders to commit massacres. Had they wanted to issue such orders, they would have kept away from the scene and not done what Mladic did that day: bring in several bus loads of reporters and then go on TV to publicly promise the Bosnian-Muslim civilians that he personally guaranteed their safety. It is absolutely clear to me that Mladic and the Bosnian-Serbs walked into a trap carefully laid by the USA.
     
    Poor Saker. All up to the latest sentence IS correct.
    What he doesn’t understand is how ETHNIC MILITIAS work.
    His understanding comes, as in Hague actually, from equating modern armed force with that….thing.
    While it is true that Serb forces in Bosnia had elements of professionalism and organization, including CiC equivalent to modern standards, 90 % of that mass of armed citizenry were BALKANS MILITIA.
    Keeping those types under control …any organized control.....is just funny.
    That’s crucial misunderstanding about all that (intentional from Hague, naïve from Saker types and fanboys).
    Karadzic and Mladic could’ve wanted anything….in the field there their control of events was minimal.
    Local militia units with special political interests from Serbia proper etc simply made all that a mess. A very good time and place for mass killings.
    That applied to all Balkans players. That applies, actually, to most armed conflicts in the world where local combatants are involved.

    I am absolutely positive that the worst problem for Russian contigent in Syria aren’t Assad enemies. That’s easy to deal with.
    The problem are “own locals”.
    Keeping positive control on them is……….well….challenging is the word I guess.


    a large number of Muslims did die in Srebrenica. Some in “legitimate” combat, but other were truly executed.
     
    Agree.

    the real culprits are still free, especially if some of these culprits include Bosnian-Muslim officials from the Sarajevo government.
     
    Correction: Some of real culprits are still free and they do include Bosnian-Muslim officials and members of international community..

    I also want to repeat here that while my personal position on what really happened in Srebrenica is pretty clear, I do invite those who will disagree with it, or with any of the documents presented here, to present their own evidence and analysis.
     
    I just, very briefly, did.

    http://www.ebritic.com/?p=213256 Read this article. Robert Baer, a CIA official, states that the CIA stirred up the ethnic hatred and divisions to destroy Yugoslavia. He is very sorry for what he did and what the CIA did. He said the Srebrenica event was planned by the CIA and that he knew it would happen before it did.

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    Thank you for the link.
    Time to make the CIA "deciders" drink poison.
    , @peterAUS
    Just for the record: nonsense.

    How about reading up a bit about:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SANU_Memorandum
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jovica_Stani%C5%A1i%C4%87
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franko_Simatovi%C4%87
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Security_Service_(FR_Yugoslavia)

    Not to forget the other side.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Declaration

    That's just for a starter.
    Deep rabbit hole there.

    When you have time and inclination, of course.
    No rush.

    Besides, could spoil "CIA did it all" thing.

    , @Art

    a CIA official, states that the CIA stirred up the ethnic hatred and divisions to destroy Yugoslavia. He is very sorry for what he did and what the CIA did. He said the Srebrenica event was planned by the CIA and that he knew it would happen before it did.
     
    Under Trump, Jew influence, the CIA/NSA, the military, and the US government, are becoming one indivisible institution of war.

    The tie between the US military and the spy agencies is becoming very dangerous. Add in the influence of Israel and we have a very dangerous situation for the world.

    The CIA is headed by a WestPoint grad, the NSA is headed by a current Nave admiral. The DOD is not headed by a civilian, but by an ex-Marine general. The White House is run by an ex-army general.

    It is rumored that the State Department head is to be replaced by the CIA head, who will be replaced by another ex-military officer who is a rabid warmonger.

    All are zealous supporters of Israel. This makes for total control of our foreign policy by war minded Jew supporting individuals.

    This cannot turn out good.

    Think Peace --- Art
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  159. polskijoe says:
    @Vidi

    US has invested a lot (of that same printed money) to buy itself elite loyalty in Europe. It is the core of the system – people in Europe who play along get rewarded....So it can go on for quite some time.
     
    That may be true, but only IF Americans continue to restrain their appetites to merely ten percent of Europe's GDP per year. I doubt they will: their ongoing wars are extremely expensive, and Trump may start some new ones; their infrastructure desperately needs some trillions of dollars; and in spite of that their government continues cutting taxes. In the coming years, I think a 150-billion-dollar annual drain will start to look small, and the Europeans will start to notice that they are being robbed blind by the Americans.

    Note that I'm not even factoring in a highly probable financial crash, far worse than 2008.

    So very soon, I think that Europe will rebel against the AngloZionist Empire. So in order to forestall revolt, the AngloZionists are hyping up the Russian threat.

    Originally the Pan Europa project had more Catholic involvement.
    Back then the Habsburg guy called out the US was too much influenced by Jewish folk.
    Then Churchill called the European continent as “too Christian”. Churchill was of course a freemason.

    When the Liberal West won the war (at least in becoming a dominant force), the face of Europe started changing.
    We had the cultural revolution spreading. And now Europe is struggling both religiously and racially.
    Divided.

    A few elites in Europe want own way, but the vast majority of them are either American friendly or scared of the US elites and continue.

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  160. peterAUS says:
    @Beckow

    "in order to forestall revolt, the AngloZionists are hyping up the Russian threat"
     
    There are multiple reasons why the hype is taking place, that is one of them. But there is a lot of fault with European elites who simply cannot get over their simultaneous hatred of the east (=Russia) and their silly indulgence of the Third World. It is a pathology, they have lost it.

    Financial crash is quite improbable. Don't forget, we are dealing with fiat 'printed' money. It is effectively play money. And as long as everyone wants to play, it will be fine. All current alternatives are worse.

    My guess is that Trump won't start new wars for them. So they want him out. The bluster is fake, Trump is by nature a peace-loving guy.

    Now, we two disagree on pretty much everything, but

    Financial crash is quite improbable. Don’t forget, we are dealing with fiat ‘printed’ money. It is effectively play money. And as long as everyone wants to play, it will be fine. All current alternatives are worse.

    is a very interesting thought, IMHO.

    I guess…….that a lot of current world problems stem from the current financial system. Almost nobody understands it so it’s easy to blame Deep State, Illuminati , Satan and aliens.

    I personally believe that is the crux.
    Can’t say I get it I am afraid.

    Agree that all alternatives appear worse. Not expert, so, can’t be sure.

    My point is that fiat, apparently, sooner or later creates crisis.
    My understanding is that those crises so far have been addressed by decent wars.
    Can’t have that now with MAD.

    So…not good, can’t be fixed and could result in MAD looks like.

    Feels as, literally, dead end.

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    Feels as, literally, dead end
     
    Sometimes it feels that way, but I think mankind is very resilient.

    "current world problems stem from the current financial system"
     
    True. But none of the previous financial systems were all that great either. Chasing gold or silver requires a lot of killing. Trying to devalue money altogether (the silly communist dream) led to a combination of laziness and petty corruption. Humans are evolutionary not good at handling 'finances' - it is an abstraction not really present in nature, including our nature.

    But I am working on a solution, any day now ....:)
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  161. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Sherman
    Hey Genius

    "Say no to an Iran war".

    Agreed. That's why the other day Israel blasted away a nascent Iranian military base encroaching on its border.

    Russia basically watched the whole thing and laughed. Putin has little love for Iran other than to help prop up Assad.

    The more Iran and its stooges drown in the Syrian quagmire the safer the world is.

    Shalom
    Sherm

    PS - How are the PORK and beans?

    “… the other day Israel blasted away a nascent Iranian military base encroaching on its border.”

    Could you provide the number of miles/kilometers for your definition of “encroaching on a border?” – Eternal victimhood in action?
    Also, if violating a territory of sovereign state is perfectly legit for Israelis, then what their squealing is about? –- Either accept the international law or shut up.

    Each country, in which your whining lot used to dwell, was eventually gravely abused by the ungrateful “chosen.” Whether Iran (remember the prostitute Esther, her obnoxious uncle, and 75 thousands murdered Iranians? – and your annual celebration of the crime!) or, more recently, Russia (http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n1p-4_Weber.html) and Germany, your obnoxious and hateful “high-functioning” psychopaths have been looking for revenge and profit. And the greater cultural debt to another nation, the more vicious the hatred.

    Morgenthau plan: http://www.fpp.co.uk/bookchapters/Morgenthau.html

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  162. peterAUS says:
    @Niccolo Salo
    This is correct.

    Milovan Djilas in "Conversations with Stalin" goes at length about how he protested to Stalin in Moscow near the end of the war as Soviet troops who entered Yugoslavia (Vojvodina) where raping Serbian women and not just German/Magyar/Ruthene/Slovak/Croatian women. Stalin brushed it off with the comment "It's war. Let the men have some fun."

    Yup. Know the book.

    Read a bit about that “mass rape” topic re Red Army on their “roll” over Eastern Europe.
    Quite interesting.

    I believe, though, it wasn’t just about retribution and Stalin regime wanting to punish Germans and the rest. It went much deeper than that. Where and why I don’t think we could discuss here.

    For example, Red Army there in Serbia.
    At the same time and place, not Tito Partisans.

    The very topic is loaded and politicized to the brim.
    Getting to the bottom of it could be an interesting and probably quite uncomfortable exercise.
    And definitely not very flattering for some people. Also, could affect that “hero worship” we have around here. Can’t have that.

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    @CanSpeccy

    It is the stupidity of the alphabet agencies and their handlers that is really depressing. Guess many years of unnatural selection for the most opportunistic and sycophantic have finally caught up with the whole system. Not a single intelligent, principled, honest and patriotic man among the “deciders.”
     
    As George Kennan warned would be the case when the CIA was founded.

    Interesting. Kennan was a recognized expert in Russian/Soviet history.

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  164. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Vidi

    If Russian territory is attacked so will be USA proper. I bet [Americans] do not want to learn how it looks like.
     
    While the U.S. homeland is being pounded by Russia, the Americans could give no help to their little client state in the Middle East. That is when the Zionists will start to learn that constantly infuriating the neighbours isn't smart, as they'll retaliate. And Israel will truly feel the pain if the Americans should lose the war -- distinctly possible if China joins the party. If the crazy neocons could see this, they would not be so eager to ignite the Third World War.

    “If the crazy neocons could see this, they would not be so eager to ignite the Third World War.”
    Gesheft and mythology beat reason.

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  165. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Robjil
    http://www.ebritic.com/?p=213256 Read this article. Robert Baer, a CIA official, states that the CIA stirred up the ethnic hatred and divisions to destroy Yugoslavia. He is very sorry for what he did and what the CIA did. He said the Srebrenica event was planned by the CIA and that he knew it would happen before it did.

    Thank you for the link.
    Time to make the CIA “deciders” drink poison.

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  166. peterAUS says:
    @iffen
    Say, “old school” elites used/use internal cohesion of national state.
    The “new school” elites prefer the “global scare”.


    In case you missed this:

    https://aeon.co/essays/capitalists-need-the-nation-state-more-than-it-needs-them

    Good article.
    Doesn’t change my quote, much.

    It actually states

    A truly global economy, in which economic activity is unmoored from its national base, would necessitate transnational rule-making institutions that match the global scale and scope of markets. But there are no such institutions.

    Not now.
    And globalists work hard on getting them.

    Their problem is a difficulty in getting those institutions. Military in particular.

    I guess their challenge is how to have US military patriotic enough to be efficient/effective and , at the same time, not patriotic enough so it can work as Global, not US entity.

    Big topic I guess.

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  167. FB says:
    @Beckow

    "Russians shouldn’t have raped all those German women"
     
    Yeah, that's the problem - WWII was all about Russians raping. Not about Germans attacking east and murdering tens of millions. How many Russian women do you think Germans 'raped'? Or maybe they just killed them, 'ubermensch', right. It doesn't seem to bother you and that is sick.

    Or this vignette:


    The regime in Moscow has one and only one goal: own hold on power"
     
    While, of course the 'regimes' in Washington or Berlin spend all their time worrying about the well-being of their citizens. You really cannot be that dumb, or can you?

    I made mistake responding to you, you are hopeless.

    “Russians shouldn’t have raped all those German women”

    Yeah, that’s the problem – WWII was all about Russians raping. Not about Germans attacking east and murdering tens of millions. How many Russian women do you think Germans ‘raped’? Or maybe they just killed them, ‘ubermensch’, right. It doesn’t seem to bother you and that is sick.

    Good Response Beckow…

    The raping of German women is an anti-Russian canard that exists only due to the Russophobia that is part our indoctrination in the West…

    Considering what the Germans did to Russian women…children…old folks…and just about any civilian peasant they encountered along their march to Moscow…it is quite a miracle of restraint that the victorious Russian soldiers showed when they entered Germany…

    There is an excellent documentary series on the war here…Russian produced but narrated in English…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhXKlYnSWjA&list=PLmTuI5NKGvmt5zUCjA63B28Yy38A05EHf

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  168. peterAUS says:
    @Robjil
    http://www.ebritic.com/?p=213256 Read this article. Robert Baer, a CIA official, states that the CIA stirred up the ethnic hatred and divisions to destroy Yugoslavia. He is very sorry for what he did and what the CIA did. He said the Srebrenica event was planned by the CIA and that he knew it would happen before it did.

    Just for the record: nonsense.

    How about reading up a bit about:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SANU_Memorandum

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jovica_Stani%C5%A1i%C4%87

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franko_Simatovi%C4%87

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Security_Service_(FR_Yugoslavia)

    Not to forget the other side.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Declaration

    That’s just for a starter.
    Deep rabbit hole there.

    When you have time and inclination, of course.
    No rush.

    Besides, could spoil “CIA did it all” thing.

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  169. FB says:
    @Beckow

    Is it possible to see BOTH as bad
     
    You only mentioned one. You always only mention one, the same one.

    To be fair, Germans started the war and killed a lot more people in the east. They deserved what they got.


    how about ALL those regimes (Washington, Berlin, Moscow) first and foremost care about own survival and own success
     
    You say that now because you got caught - again - with a one-sided biased view. If people have to remind you that rules should be applied equally, you are either too far gone or have issues with basic logic. Try to be objective to start with, not after you produce a biased rant and people point it out to you.

    Is it possible to see BOTH as bad

    You only mentioned one. You always only mention one, the same one.

    Don’t fret too much about our friend Peter…you see… his development of moral logic appears to have been stunted along the road to adulthood…

    He does not appear capable of distinguishing between shades of ‘bad’…

    As in rape is more bad than murder…and even within murder there are ‘degrees’ of badness…

    Certainly if I take a dump in front of your door this is ‘bad’…but if I did that in response to you shooting my dog…which one is more ‘bad’…?

    Some would even say that if you shot my dog and I shot you…then even my bigger ‘bad’ would be ‘mitigated’ to some degree…

    Of course these things are way beyond the developmental level of our friend Peter from Aus…

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    Don’t fret too much about our friend Peter…you see… his development of moral logic appears to have been stunted along the road to adulthood…
     
    ... and not just moral logic. His inability to construct arguments, or even complete sentences puzzled me (in an academic sense) when it didn't simply frustrate debate, but it finally dawned on me when I first noticed what he repeats above. Namely, that:

    I live and prefer to live under Twyin Lannister. Not good and getting worse, but, still preferable to living under Rose Bolton or Slavers Bay.
     
    I wondered what the hell he was on about. Then I looked it up, and all became clear...

    He's a gamer, apparently of the fully involved sort who's reached the point where one is unable to distinguish the view from the lens. The distinction between fantasy and reality blurs, until finally the fantasy comes to serve as the lens through which reality is discerned - the two together forming the paradigm in which he lives. Cartoon characters and cartoon thinking inhabit both, and pass through the fantasy - reality barrier without hindrance, or even examination. In fact, I suspect (but don't know) that he believes all of the commenters here on UNZ are of similar progeny to the characters in Thrones - figments of somebody's imagination, now indistinguishable from the real people with real, considered bodies of thought he vaguely remembers being "out there".

    I have no idea what he was before, but his current scribblings exhibit all of the expected symptoms of the cognitive function deterioration that results from immersion into comic book worlds. Accommodating complexity and nuance in a structured argument has no place in those worlds. It first becomes onerous, then difficult, and is eventually displaced by 2 word blurts and copious ellipses serving as inadequate hints of long lost depths, echoes of metaphors and analogies. These are all that's left of what may have been a functioning conscious entity living in a larger, immeasurably richer world.

    So, I am obliged to disagree with your assessment that Peter's development was stunted "along the road to adulthood". My read is that it's just as likely that it underwent a reversal long after adulthood.

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  170. Art says:
    @Robjil
    http://www.ebritic.com/?p=213256 Read this article. Robert Baer, a CIA official, states that the CIA stirred up the ethnic hatred and divisions to destroy Yugoslavia. He is very sorry for what he did and what the CIA did. He said the Srebrenica event was planned by the CIA and that he knew it would happen before it did.

    a CIA official, states that the CIA stirred up the ethnic hatred and divisions to destroy Yugoslavia. He is very sorry for what he did and what the CIA did. He said the Srebrenica event was planned by the CIA and that he knew it would happen before it did.

    Under Trump, Jew influence, the CIA/NSA, the military, and the US government, are becoming one indivisible institution of war.

    The tie between the US military and the spy agencies is becoming very dangerous. Add in the influence of Israel and we have a very dangerous situation for the world.

    The CIA is headed by a WestPoint grad, the NSA is headed by a current Nave admiral. The DOD is not headed by a civilian, but by an ex-Marine general. The White House is run by an ex-army general.

    It is rumored that the State Department head is to be replaced by the CIA head, who will be replaced by another ex-military officer who is a rabid warmonger.

    All are zealous supporters of Israel. This makes for total control of our foreign policy by war minded Jew supporting individuals.

    This cannot turn out good.

    Think Peace — Art

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  171. Beckow says:
    @peterAUS
    Now, we two disagree on pretty much everything, but

    Financial crash is quite improbable. Don’t forget, we are dealing with fiat ‘printed’ money. It is effectively play money. And as long as everyone wants to play, it will be fine. All current alternatives are worse.
     
    is a very interesting thought, IMHO.

    I guess.......that a lot of current world problems stem from the current financial system. Almost nobody understands it so it's easy to blame Deep State, Illuminati , Satan and aliens.

    I personally believe that is the crux.
    Can't say I get it I am afraid.

    Agree that all alternatives appear worse. Not expert, so, can't be sure.

    My point is that fiat, apparently, sooner or later creates crisis.
    My understanding is that those crises so far have been addressed by decent wars.
    Can't have that now with MAD.

    So...not good, can't be fixed and could result in MAD looks like.

    Feels as, literally, dead end.

    Feels as, literally, dead end

    Sometimes it feels that way, but I think mankind is very resilient.

    “current world problems stem from the current financial system”

    True. But none of the previous financial systems were all that great either. Chasing gold or silver requires a lot of killing. Trying to devalue money altogether (the silly communist dream) led to a combination of laziness and petty corruption. Humans are evolutionary not good at handling ‘finances’ – it is an abstraction not really present in nature, including our nature.

    But I am working on a solution, any day now ….:)

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  172. Cyrano says:
    @Niccolo Salo
    Mad because some Ante took his tractor in 1995.

    Go pray to virgin Mary, you stupid.

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  173. Cyrano says:

    Let me try to explain little bit my statement that caused such a negative response by the neo-Nazis on this site. Combat conditions can sometimes cause stiffness in certain parts of the body, so when the Red Army soldiers reached Germany, all they wanted to do is relieve that stiffness by taking few laps in the German gene pool.

    Perfectly normal human attempt to reinvigorate an aching body. I don’t know why such a negative reaction from the Hitler lovers. And it’s not like there wasn’t any sympathy from the highest levels of USSR government. Stalin personally lamented the situation with his immortal words: “It’s too bad that so many of our sons and daughter will have to be born in a foreign land”.

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    I think the Soviet response to Nazi Germany was actually somewhere in between... They didnt butcher or rape millions and millions of German civilians. The Nazi offensive was more murderous than the Soviet counterattack. But innocents did die and suffer right?

    I get a general feeling you seem to blame lots of problems on Catholics, Germany,
    even blaming Poland, and slamming Croatians.

    I know what the Croatian Ustashe did to Serbs, I know what NATO did to Serbia/Yugoslavia. It was nasty.
    but most Catholic followers are not haters of Serbs. There are those blame Jesuits and Catholics for everything. I have forgiven most Russians and Germans. Today Germans and Russians are not guilty of WW2.

    I also cant figure out if you are a Socialist/Communist or Orthodox?

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  174. Erebus says:
    @FB


    Is it possible to see BOTH as bad
     
    You only mentioned one. You always only mention one, the same one.
     
    Don't fret too much about our friend Peter...you see... his development of moral logic appears to have been stunted along the road to adulthood...

    He does not appear capable of distinguishing between shades of 'bad'...

    As in rape is more bad than murder...and even within murder there are 'degrees' of badness...

    Certainly if I take a dump in front of your door this is 'bad'...but if I did that in response to you shooting my dog...which one is more 'bad'...?

    Some would even say that if you shot my dog and I shot you...then even my bigger 'bad' would be 'mitigated' to some degree...

    Of course these things are way beyond the developmental level of our friend Peter from Aus...

    Don’t fret too much about our friend Peter…you see… his development of moral logic appears to have been stunted along the road to adulthood…

    … and not just moral logic. His inability to construct arguments, or even complete sentences puzzled me (in an academic sense) when it didn’t simply frustrate debate, but it finally dawned on me when I first noticed what he repeats above. Namely, that:

    I live and prefer to live under Twyin Lannister. Not good and getting worse, but, still preferable to living under Rose Bolton or Slavers Bay.

    I wondered what the hell he was on about. Then I looked it up, and all became clear…

    He’s a gamer, apparently of the fully involved sort who’s reached the point where one is unable to distinguish the view from the lens. The distinction between fantasy and reality blurs, until finally the fantasy comes to serve as the lens through which reality is discerned – the two together forming the paradigm in which he lives. Cartoon characters and cartoon thinking inhabit both, and pass through the fantasy – reality barrier without hindrance, or even examination. In fact, I suspect (but don’t know) that he believes all of the commenters here on UNZ are of similar progeny to the characters in Thrones – figments of somebody’s imagination, now indistinguishable from the real people with real, considered bodies of thought he vaguely remembers being “out there”.

    I have no idea what he was before, but his current scribblings exhibit all of the expected symptoms of the cognitive function deterioration that results from immersion into comic book worlds. Accommodating complexity and nuance in a structured argument has no place in those worlds. It first becomes onerous, then difficult, and is eventually displaced by 2 word blurts and copious ellipses serving as inadequate hints of long lost depths, echoes of metaphors and analogies. These are all that’s left of what may have been a functioning conscious entity living in a larger, immeasurably richer world.

    So, I am obliged to disagree with your assessment that Peter’s development was stunted “along the road to adulthood”. My read is that it’s just as likely that it underwent a reversal long after adulthood.

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    I have no idea what he was before, but his current scribblings exhibit all of the expected symptoms of the cognitive function deterioration that results from immersion into comic book worlds.
     
    Thanks for that E...what was it Reader's Digest used to say...'Laughter is the Best Medicine...?'

    That gaming immersion might explain some of the other peculiarities I noted...ie his self-described background as a battalion commander and staff officer...

    This was in the context of our SEAD discussion on the other thread you may recall...

    I was puzzled too by those 'thrones' references and just looked them up myself...

    However...I think his military 'background' is more in line with 'CMANO'
    , @peterAUS
    Wow.....impressive.

    One's effort was just, ah, whatever; another was/is crude, but yours is very good.

    I am flattered actually.

    On a serious note the methodology IS crude:
    Don't like this guy's writing->let's argue, doesn't work->let's insult, doesn't work->let's go ad hominem and diagnose him with something. We'll see will it work.
    Pity for your bunch here you, apparently, still don't own this site.
    Next step, when "mental thing" doesn't work is selective moderation, always, and then outright ban. Internet.
    Still better than that practice, in real world, during Soviet Union with dissenters. Asylums and such.

    Here, though.....you do have a problem, still.
    Whatever I think about this site and the owner/moderators they DO exhibit certain level of free speech. Compliments there. For the moment. Those things take time and your bunch is ....how to put it....motivated.

    Now, when we are on the topic of mentally unbalanced and such, how would you diagnose a person who relishes speaking about those rapes? Key phrases "favorite swimming style was butterfly", "your mother spent few hours" and such?
    Or for you people that's just normal?

    And, BTW, what is the chance of such sentiment working well with that fantasy of yours, "multipolar" word in Europe? Like, Germans and Russians together building a better world? Or Russians exerting influence in Eastern Europe etc?

    I am sure you'll come up with some nice.... theory.

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  175. polskijoe says:
    @Cyrano
    Let me try to explain little bit my statement that caused such a negative response by the neo-Nazis on this site. Combat conditions can sometimes cause stiffness in certain parts of the body, so when the Red Army soldiers reached Germany, all they wanted to do is relieve that stiffness by taking few laps in the German gene pool.

    Perfectly normal human attempt to reinvigorate an aching body. I don’t know why such a negative reaction from the Hitler lovers. And it’s not like there wasn’t any sympathy from the highest levels of USSR government. Stalin personally lamented the situation with his immortal words: “It’s too bad that so many of our sons and daughter will have to be born in a foreign land”.

    I think the Soviet response to Nazi Germany was actually somewhere in between… They didnt butcher or rape millions and millions of German civilians. The Nazi offensive was more murderous than the Soviet counterattack. But innocents did die and suffer right?

    I get a general feeling you seem to blame lots of problems on Catholics, Germany,
    even blaming Poland, and slamming Croatians.

    I know what the Croatian Ustashe did to Serbs, I know what NATO did to Serbia/Yugoslavia. It was nasty.
    but most Catholic followers are not haters of Serbs. There are those blame Jesuits and Catholics for everything. I have forgiven most Russians and Germans. Today Germans and Russians are not guilty of WW2.

    I also cant figure out if you are a Socialist/Communist or Orthodox?

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    Very balanced, logical, and kind comment about vicious conduct on all sides.
    , @Cyrano

    I also cant figure out if you are a Socialist/Communist or Orthodox?
     
    I am all 3, my Polish brother. I apologize to you for sometimes ranting against your fine nation. We are all Slavs after all. My comments about Germany might seem insensitive too, but they asked for it when they attacked mother Russia. The thing that gets me is how some lowlifes on this site think that Germans are more worthy of sympathy than the Russians because they are "western" and thus better. I think the Russians put that issue to rest - who is better - in 1945.
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  176. “The scary thing is that the folks in DC, Riyadh[,] and Jerusalem hear them loud and clear which means that sooner or later they will have to do something about it and that “something” will be the usual nonsensical bloodbath this “Axis of Kindness” has been made famous for: if you can’t beat their military, make their civilians pay (think Kosovo 1999, Lebanon 2006, Yemen 2015).”

    Before the C.i.A. tries to assassinate President Putin again or other Russians, I suggest they consider they are playing children’s games against Eastern Europeans. Americans are no match for Europeans when it comes to ruthlessness. American’s sense of reality comes only from Hollywood movies. They might watch Jean Claude Van Damme’s fictional dramatization titled “Assassination Games” for a few clues of how grown-ups behave. Donald Trump in comparison is cartoon character. John Wayne and James Bond are pathetic jokes in comparison to Russians. I have only respect for Putin and other Russians for successfully handling some truly scary enemies such as Ukrainians and Poles.

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  177. FB says:
    @jacques sheete

    To be fair, Germans started the war and killed a lot more people in the east. They deserved what they got.
     
    You call that fair? In reality it's more proof that propaganda works.

    The Germans started the war? Since when?


    “… this entire myth, so prevalent then and even now about Hitler, and about the Japanese, is a tissue of fallacies from beginning to end. Every plank in this nightmare evidence is either completely untrue or not entirely the truth.

    If people should learn this intellectual fraud about Hitler's Germany, then they will begin to ask questions, and searching questions…”

    Murray Rothbard, Revisionism for Our Time
    Mr. Rothbard was an American Jew and an historian of the very highest caliber.
    http://mises.org/daily/2592

     

    Rothbard's claim about Hitler is just as valid for the Kaiser, too.

    So, when will you begin to ask questions?

    Germany did not start either WW. Both were commercial wars, and anti-Bolshie Germany was on the defensive both times. In other words the bank supported Reds stole Russia for themselves, and the Germans tried to avoid a similar fate. Both countries were used to weaken each other so the bankers cold more easily walk in and take them over.

    Any thinking person can understand that the "Big Ones" were instigated by the criminal international banking cartels in order to suppress competition from a developing Germany and to prevent a linking of Germany and Russia which they would not be able to control.

    It should be easy to see that because the same goals are so blatantly obvious today. Fortunately for the rest of us, the banksters actions are encouraging others to unite against them and I hope they lose this time.

    Any thinking person can understand that the “Big Ones” were instigated by the criminal international banking cartels in order to suppress competition from a developing Germany and to prevent a linking of Germany and Russia which they would not be able to control.

    And how does that explain Lebensraum…?

    Not to diminish the parasitic role of the bankers…but this theory about bankers orchestrating both sides in the two world wars is illogical on its face…

    Consider…

    …If the bankers were so all-powerful as to be able to dictate the supreme political actions of war and peace with regard to the superpowers of the day…

    …then why would they need to resort to such a risky and unpredictable venture as war to begin with…?

    They would not need to…their supreme power would let them dictate terms without accountability…

    Your thesis [and there are many who propound it] defies even the most fundamental logic…

    The facts of history are well known…especially to those who lived through WW2 on the European continent…

    Hitler’s attempted conquest of Russia had everything to do with a land grab…land and its resources being something Germany lacked…unlike the other Great Powers which had vast colonial holdings…

    If it was just about war for the sake of plundering or banker profit…the Wermacht crushed France in a matter of weeks…and would have crushed Britain with as little effort…

    But what he was after was Russia’s land…the whole of European Russia right up to the Urals…

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  178. FB says:
    @Cyrano
    I still think that the Germans got off cheaply. You can’t blame the Russians for swimming few laps in the German gene pool – if you catch my drift. I think that their favorite swimming style was butterfly – or maybe that’s the feeling the German women usually got in their bellies (butterflies) whenever they saw the handsome features of the Russians.

    In the end the Germans should be thankful that the Russians didn’t concubinse the entire German female population, although from what I hear the situation wasn’t that far off either.

    I think that “frau komm” should be recognized as the most successful pick up line in history. At the same time the Russians soldiers should be applauded for investing their time in learning the difficult German language in order to increase their appeal with the German ladies.

    You can’t blame the Russians for swimming few laps in the German gene pool – if you catch my drift.

    Sounds pretty reasonable…all things considered…

    In the end the Germans should be thankful that the Russians didn’t concubinse the entire German female population, although from what I hear the situation wasn’t that far off either.

    Indeed…the taking of concubines as war ‘booty’ is as old as war itself…

    I think that “frau komm” should be recognized as the most successful pick up line in history.

    LOL…funny thing is…it still works pretty good…

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    I am glad that you appreciate my sense of humor. I know that sometimes it can be rough, but that's just who I am.
    , @L.K
    You Stalinist pigs really are a bunch of degenerates...
    Do you even realize, pig, how you scumbags alienate people who are not hostile to modern Russia, by virtue of your stupid, cheap, grotesque BS? I mean, you maggots make even a troll like PeterAus look good by comparison... what's next, Katyn was done by the Germans too? I've seen some deluded pigs right here at Unz posit such shite with a straigth face...

    Anyway, the Saker, to his credit, though he is deeply biased, particularly when it comes to WW2, at least strives to be honest... Let's take a look:
    Saker:

    It is also undeniable that the history of WWII was written by the victors of WWII. This is true of all wars – defeated regimes don’t get to freely present their version of history. Had the Nazis won WWII, we would all have been treated to a dramatically different narrative of what took place.
     
    Duh, pretty basic eh? But maggots like you do not get this. The following is a particularly interesting insight by the Saker:

    ...If you take the Russian population today, it has many more descendants of executioners than descendants of executed people and this is hardly a surprise since dead people don’t reproduce. As a result, the modern Russian historiography is heavily skewed towards whitewashing the Soviet crimes and atrocities.

     

    Hmm....

    Saker (another article);

    I consider the Nazis of have been an abhorrent gang of arrogant genocidal racists maniacs. I do, I really do. I have *nothing* good to say about them. But what I categorically reject is the notion that they were somehow worse than all the other participants in WWII. Think of it, the Soviets? Peuhleeze! Just read Trotsky’s “Terrorism and Communism” or Lenin’s “Lessons of the Moscow Uprising” if you have any doubts about the fact that the Bolsheviks were genocidal maniacs!
    ...
    Could it be that the real crime of the Nazis was not that they were genocidal maniacs, but that they lost WWII and that their (no less genocidal) enemies got to write the history of that war?
     
    , @L.K
    BTW, the usual disgusting excuses of mass raping as "revenge" ring hollow, given that your red army heroes also raped Soviet women who had been taken to work in Germany and even Jewish concentration camp female inmates;

    British Historian Antony Beevor:

    The novelist Vasily Grossman, a war correspondent attached to the invading Red Army, soon discovered that rape victims were not just Germans. Polish women also suffered. So did young Russian, Belorussian and Ukrainian women who had been sent back to Germany by the Wehrmacht for slave labour. "Liberated Soviet girls quite often complain that our soldiers rape them," he noted. "One girl said to me in tears: 'He was an old man, older than my father'."

    The rape of Soviet women and girls seriously undermines Russian attempts to justify Red Army behaviour on the grounds of revenge for German brutality in the Soviet Union.
     
    As for German women;

    "Red Army soldiers don't believe in 'individual liaisons' with German women," wrote the playwright Zakhar Agranenko in his diary when serving as an officer of marine infantry in East Prussia. "Nine, ten, twelve men at a time - they rape them on a collective basis."

    ...Natalya Gesse, a close friend of the scientist Andrei Sakharov, had observed the Red Army in action in 1945 as a Soviet war correspondent. "The Russian soldiers were raping every German female from eight to eighty," she recounted later. "It was an army of rapists."
    ... The subject of the Red Army's mass rapes in Germany has been so repressed in Russia that even today veterans refuse to acknowledge what really happened. The handful prepared to speak openly, however, are totally unrepentant. "They all lifted their skirts for us and lay on the bed," said the leader of one tank company. He even went on to boast that "two million of our children were born" in Germany.
    ... The capacity of Soviet officers to convince themselves that most of the victims were either happy with their fate, or at least accepted that it was their turn to suffer after what the Wehrmacht had done in Russia, is striking. "Our fellows were so sex-starved," a Soviet major told a British journalist at the time, "that they often raped old women of sixty, seventy or even eighty - much to these grandmothers' surprise, if not downright delight."
     
    Former Soviet soldiers admit to murder and rape in gleeful manner:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVGSioUL_h8
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTMlT7yafg4

    Hmm... perhaps some of these folks are your relatives, pig?
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  179. FB says:
    @Erebus

    Don’t fret too much about our friend Peter…you see… his development of moral logic appears to have been stunted along the road to adulthood…
     
    ... and not just moral logic. His inability to construct arguments, or even complete sentences puzzled me (in an academic sense) when it didn't simply frustrate debate, but it finally dawned on me when I first noticed what he repeats above. Namely, that:

    I live and prefer to live under Twyin Lannister. Not good and getting worse, but, still preferable to living under Rose Bolton or Slavers Bay.
     
    I wondered what the hell he was on about. Then I looked it up, and all became clear...

    He's a gamer, apparently of the fully involved sort who's reached the point where one is unable to distinguish the view from the lens. The distinction between fantasy and reality blurs, until finally the fantasy comes to serve as the lens through which reality is discerned - the two together forming the paradigm in which he lives. Cartoon characters and cartoon thinking inhabit both, and pass through the fantasy - reality barrier without hindrance, or even examination. In fact, I suspect (but don't know) that he believes all of the commenters here on UNZ are of similar progeny to the characters in Thrones - figments of somebody's imagination, now indistinguishable from the real people with real, considered bodies of thought he vaguely remembers being "out there".

    I have no idea what he was before, but his current scribblings exhibit all of the expected symptoms of the cognitive function deterioration that results from immersion into comic book worlds. Accommodating complexity and nuance in a structured argument has no place in those worlds. It first becomes onerous, then difficult, and is eventually displaced by 2 word blurts and copious ellipses serving as inadequate hints of long lost depths, echoes of metaphors and analogies. These are all that's left of what may have been a functioning conscious entity living in a larger, immeasurably richer world.

    So, I am obliged to disagree with your assessment that Peter's development was stunted "along the road to adulthood". My read is that it's just as likely that it underwent a reversal long after adulthood.

    I have no idea what he was before, but his current scribblings exhibit all of the expected symptoms of the cognitive function deterioration that results from immersion into comic book worlds.

    Thanks for that E…what was it Reader’s Digest used to say…’Laughter is the Best Medicine…?’

    That gaming immersion might explain some of the other peculiarities I noted…ie his self-described background as a battalion commander and staff officer…

    This was in the context of our SEAD discussion on the other thread you may recall…

    I was puzzled too by those ‘thrones’ references and just looked them up myself…

    However…I think his military ‘background’ is more in line with ‘CMANO’

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  180. @polskijoe
    I think the Soviet response to Nazi Germany was actually somewhere in between... They didnt butcher or rape millions and millions of German civilians. The Nazi offensive was more murderous than the Soviet counterattack. But innocents did die and suffer right?

    I get a general feeling you seem to blame lots of problems on Catholics, Germany,
    even blaming Poland, and slamming Croatians.

    I know what the Croatian Ustashe did to Serbs, I know what NATO did to Serbia/Yugoslavia. It was nasty.
    but most Catholic followers are not haters of Serbs. There are those blame Jesuits and Catholics for everything. I have forgiven most Russians and Germans. Today Germans and Russians are not guilty of WW2.

    I also cant figure out if you are a Socialist/Communist or Orthodox?

    Very balanced, logical, and kind comment about vicious conduct on all sides.

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  181. peterAUS says:
    @Erebus

    Don’t fret too much about our friend Peter…you see… his development of moral logic appears to have been stunted along the road to adulthood…
     
    ... and not just moral logic. His inability to construct arguments, or even complete sentences puzzled me (in an academic sense) when it didn't simply frustrate debate, but it finally dawned on me when I first noticed what he repeats above. Namely, that:

    I live and prefer to live under Twyin Lannister. Not good and getting worse, but, still preferable to living under Rose Bolton or Slavers Bay.
     
    I wondered what the hell he was on about. Then I looked it up, and all became clear...

    He's a gamer, apparently of the fully involved sort who's reached the point where one is unable to distinguish the view from the lens. The distinction between fantasy and reality blurs, until finally the fantasy comes to serve as the lens through which reality is discerned - the two together forming the paradigm in which he lives. Cartoon characters and cartoon thinking inhabit both, and pass through the fantasy - reality barrier without hindrance, or even examination. In fact, I suspect (but don't know) that he believes all of the commenters here on UNZ are of similar progeny to the characters in Thrones - figments of somebody's imagination, now indistinguishable from the real people with real, considered bodies of thought he vaguely remembers being "out there".

    I have no idea what he was before, but his current scribblings exhibit all of the expected symptoms of the cognitive function deterioration that results from immersion into comic book worlds. Accommodating complexity and nuance in a structured argument has no place in those worlds. It first becomes onerous, then difficult, and is eventually displaced by 2 word blurts and copious ellipses serving as inadequate hints of long lost depths, echoes of metaphors and analogies. These are all that's left of what may have been a functioning conscious entity living in a larger, immeasurably richer world.

    So, I am obliged to disagree with your assessment that Peter's development was stunted "along the road to adulthood". My read is that it's just as likely that it underwent a reversal long after adulthood.

    Wow…..impressive.

    One’s effort was just, ah, whatever; another was/is crude, but yours is very good.

    I am flattered actually.

    On a serious note the methodology IS crude:
    Don’t like this guy’s writing->let’s argue, doesn’t work->let’s insult, doesn’t work->let’s go ad hominem and diagnose him with something. We’ll see will it work.
    Pity for your bunch here you, apparently, still don’t own this site.
    Next step, when “mental thing” doesn’t work is selective moderation, always, and then outright ban. Internet.
    Still better than that practice, in real world, during Soviet Union with dissenters. Asylums and such.

    Here, though…..you do have a problem, still.
    Whatever I think about this site and the owner/moderators they DO exhibit certain level of free speech. Compliments there. For the moment. Those things take time and your bunch is ….how to put it….motivated.

    Now, when we are on the topic of mentally unbalanced and such, how would you diagnose a person who relishes speaking about those rapes? Key phrases “favorite swimming style was butterfly”, “your mother spent few hours” and such?
    Or for you people that’s just normal?

    And, BTW, what is the chance of such sentiment working well with that fantasy of yours, “multipolar” word in Europe? Like, Germans and Russians together building a better world? Or Russians exerting influence in Eastern Europe etc?

    I am sure you’ll come up with some nice…. theory.

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    Here, though…..you do have a problem, still.
    Whatever I think about this site and the owner/moderators they DO exhibit certain level of free speech. Compliments there. For the moment. Those things take time and your bunch is ….how to put it….motivated.
     
    Well, the only problem I can detect is that your statement is incomprehensible. However I parse it, the meaning escapes me - a perfect exempli gratia, indeed a demonstration, of the dysfunctions I noted above. Care to re-state it in a way non-gamers can understand?

    ... that fantasy of yours, “multipolar” word in Europe? Like, Germans and Russians together building a better world? Or Russians exerting influence in Eastern Europe etc?
    I am sure you’ll come up with some nice…. theory.
     
    Nope, I have no need for any theory. The facts speak for themselves.
    Mercedes Benz, Siemens, ABB, VW etc responded to the Russia sanctions by incorporating in Russia and opening factories to build cars etc. The Germans structured NordStream II in such a way that Russian gas could by-pass the Ukrainian pothole, and the sanctions as well. German business knows which way the wind is blowing, and lets the politicians piss into it while they sail into the money. Eventually, when the time is right, the German politicians will tack and follow the money too. That's not a theory, it's facts on the ground.

    It ain't just the Germans. Similar facts are happening with Czech & Austrian, and even Polish companies as well. I happen to have personal experience of the latter 2, where friends who own companies got shut out of the Russian market and opened companies there to produce what they would have been exporting otherwise. They're saying its the best thing they ever did. Direct access to the market, less competition, and China and the 'stans became more accessible. They both expect their Russian subsidiaries to grow beyond their original mother companies. Small enterprise examples, but if I know 2, there's a lot more doing or thinking along the same lines.

    You see, Multipolarity isn't driven by conquest, but by commerce. It is driven by the recognition that military conquest is a dead letter in the age of Globalization and nuclear arsenals. By following the money, countries will join the project as soon as they're reasonably sure that [a] they're not gonna get bombed for it, and [b] there's money to be made. That'll admittedly take time, and there's plenty of twists and turns ahead, but Globalization is a world historical trend that is already well underway and accelerating, and multipolarity is just its next phase. You might as well demand that the tide stop waxing (or waning).

    Who knows what comes after. "In the long run, we're all dead", to quote a famous economist.
    "Simple, really", to quote a less famous gamer.
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  182. Cyrano says:
    @polskijoe
    I think the Soviet response to Nazi Germany was actually somewhere in between... They didnt butcher or rape millions and millions of German civilians. The Nazi offensive was more murderous than the Soviet counterattack. But innocents did die and suffer right?

    I get a general feeling you seem to blame lots of problems on Catholics, Germany,
    even blaming Poland, and slamming Croatians.

    I know what the Croatian Ustashe did to Serbs, I know what NATO did to Serbia/Yugoslavia. It was nasty.
    but most Catholic followers are not haters of Serbs. There are those blame Jesuits and Catholics for everything. I have forgiven most Russians and Germans. Today Germans and Russians are not guilty of WW2.

    I also cant figure out if you are a Socialist/Communist or Orthodox?

    I also cant figure out if you are a Socialist/Communist or Orthodox?

    I am all 3, my Polish brother. I apologize to you for sometimes ranting against your fine nation. We are all Slavs after all. My comments about Germany might seem insensitive too, but they asked for it when they attacked mother Russia. The thing that gets me is how some lowlifes on this site think that Germans are more worthy of sympathy than the Russians because they are “western” and thus better. I think the Russians put that issue to rest – who is better – in 1945.

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    Hey, Pig,

    Your beloved Soviet Union invaded Poland in 39 together with Germany and took more than half of it.

    By the end of the war, Poland was a mere Soviet satellite.

    Therefore, your "my dear Slav brother" rings hollow, you are a clown without the makeup.

    Yes, Germany did attack the S.U in 41, but that's bc the Stalinist regime basically cornered Germany into it... as Putin once put it, if you know a fight is coming, be the one to strike first.
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  183. Cyrano says:
    @FB

    You can’t blame the Russians for swimming few laps in the German gene pool – if you catch my drift.
     
    Sounds pretty reasonable...all things considered...

    In the end the Germans should be thankful that the Russians didn’t concubinse the entire German female population, although from what I hear the situation wasn’t that far off either.

     

    Indeed...the taking of concubines as war 'booty' is as old as war itself...

    I think that “frau komm” should be recognized as the most successful pick up line in history.

    LOL...funny thing is...it still works pretty good...

    I am glad that you appreciate my sense of humor. I know that sometimes it can be rough, but that’s just who I am.

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  184. L.K says:
    @FB

    You can’t blame the Russians for swimming few laps in the German gene pool – if you catch my drift.
     
    Sounds pretty reasonable...all things considered...

    In the end the Germans should be thankful that the Russians didn’t concubinse the entire German female population, although from what I hear the situation wasn’t that far off either.

     

    Indeed...the taking of concubines as war 'booty' is as old as war itself...

    I think that “frau komm” should be recognized as the most successful pick up line in history.

    LOL...funny thing is...it still works pretty good...

    You Stalinist pigs really are a bunch of degenerates…
    Do you even realize, pig, how you scumbags alienate people who are not hostile to modern Russia, by virtue of your stupid, cheap, grotesque BS? I mean, you maggots make even a troll like PeterAus look good by comparison… what’s next, Katyn was done by the Germans too? I’ve seen some deluded pigs right here at Unz posit such shite with a straigth face…

    Anyway, the Saker, to his credit, though he is deeply biased, particularly when it comes to WW2, at least strives to be honest… Let’s take a look:
    Saker:

    It is also undeniable that the history of WWII was written by the victors of WWII. This is true of all wars – defeated regimes don’t get to freely present their version of history. Had the Nazis won WWII, we would all have been treated to a dramatically different narrative of what took place.

    Duh, pretty basic eh? But maggots like you do not get this. The following is a particularly interesting insight by the Saker:

    If you take the Russian population today, it has many more descendants of executioners than descendants of executed people and this is hardly a surprise since dead people don’t reproduce. As a result, the modern Russian historiography is heavily skewed towards whitewashing the Soviet crimes and atrocities.

    Hmm….

    Saker (another article);

    I consider the Nazis of have been an abhorrent gang of arrogant genocidal racists maniacs. I do, I really do. I have *nothing* good to say about them. But what I categorically reject is the notion that they were somehow worse than all the other participants in WWII. Think of it, the Soviets? Peuhleeze! Just read Trotsky’s “Terrorism and Communism” or Lenin’s “Lessons of the Moscow Uprising” if you have any doubts about the fact that the Bolsheviks were genocidal maniacs!

    Could it be that the real crime of the Nazis was not that they were genocidal maniacs, but that they lost WWII and that their (no less genocidal) enemies got to write the history of that war?

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    You Stalinist pigs really are a bunch of degenerates…
    Do you even realize, pig, how you scumbags alienate people who are not hostile to modern Russia, by virtue of your stupid, cheap, grotesque BS? I mean, you maggots make even a troll like PeterAus look good by comparison
     
    Terrible, isn't it ?!

    Fear not, though, smart among them know they've made a mistake so you'll see, soon, plausible explanations.
    It will soothe your ....discomfort.
    You'll take it just as a little slip, not their true colors.

    After that "perception management" all can go back to bashing trolls of my type and to common flagellation/self-flagellation of West here.
    Back to program, I mean.

    One day, perhaps, your types will realize some things about that.......attitude.... which just slipped out a little bit here.
    Perhaps.
    , @FB
    What's your problem goofball...?

    You seem to be mouthing off a lot here about Uncle Joe...

    Funny that...when in February 1943...the Red Army crushed the Wermacht at Staligrad...all of Britain sang songs of praise...

    '...The news of the battle echoed round the world, with many people now believing that Hitler's defeat was inevitable...

    The Turkish Consul in Moscow predicted that "the lands which the Germans have destined for their living space will become their dying space"...

    Britain's conservative The Daily Telegraph proclaimed that the victory had saved European civilisation. The country celebrated "Red Army Day" on 23 February 1943...

    A ceremonial Sword of Stalingrad was forged by King George VI. After being put on public display in Britain, this was presented to Stalin by Winston Churchill at the Tehran Conference later in 1943...'

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Stalingrad#Significance

    A foul-mouthed turd-kicker like yourself would now be posting crap in German if it weren't for Unlce Joe and the Red Army...
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  185. L.K says:
    @Cyrano

    I also cant figure out if you are a Socialist/Communist or Orthodox?
     
    I am all 3, my Polish brother. I apologize to you for sometimes ranting against your fine nation. We are all Slavs after all. My comments about Germany might seem insensitive too, but they asked for it when they attacked mother Russia. The thing that gets me is how some lowlifes on this site think that Germans are more worthy of sympathy than the Russians because they are "western" and thus better. I think the Russians put that issue to rest - who is better - in 1945.

    Hey, Pig,

    Your beloved Soviet Union invaded Poland in 39 together with Germany and took more than half of it.

    By the end of the war, Poland was a mere Soviet satellite.

    Therefore, your “my dear Slav brother” rings hollow, you are a clown without the makeup.

    Yes, Germany did attack the S.U in 41, but that’s bc the Stalinist regime basically cornered Germany into it… as Putin once put it, if you know a fight is coming, be the one to strike first.

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    He is probably the only poster here more demented than Avery.
    , @Anon
    "Hey, Pig"

    It is not the first time you come on this forum with the same supposedly righteous statement that deserves the same answer -- “the lady doth protest too much…”

    1. " The German–Polish Non-Aggression Pact was an international treaty between Nazi Germany and the Second Polish Republic, signed on January 26, 1934.
    2. Only months before before Hitler invaded Poland, Poland joined Hitler in dismembering Czechoslovakia http://www.weeklyuniverse.com/2003/poland.htm
    “In Munich on September 29th and 30th [1938] the allies and Germany held the conference deciding the Sudetenland's fate. The Munich agreement stipulated German occupation of the Sudetenland by October 10, 1938. Hitler had "acquired" the Sudetenland. ... The Polish and Hungarians promptly joined Germany at the Czech carcass.” http://www.globeatwar.com/article/september-1938-dismemberment-czechoslovakia
    3. The Polish–Soviet War (February 1919 – March 1921) was an armed conflict between the Second Polish Republic, the Ukrainian People's Republic, Soviet Russia and Soviet Ukraine over the control of an area equivalent to today's Ukraine and parts of modern-day Belarus. Poland's Chief of State, Józef Piłsudski, felt the time was right to expand Polish borders as far east as feasible…” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish–Soviet_War --- That was Polish Lebensraum

    You are not only ignorant in the history of your country -- you are also a vulgar discussant

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  186. peterAUS says:
    @L.K
    You Stalinist pigs really are a bunch of degenerates...
    Do you even realize, pig, how you scumbags alienate people who are not hostile to modern Russia, by virtue of your stupid, cheap, grotesque BS? I mean, you maggots make even a troll like PeterAus look good by comparison... what's next, Katyn was done by the Germans too? I've seen some deluded pigs right here at Unz posit such shite with a straigth face...

    Anyway, the Saker, to his credit, though he is deeply biased, particularly when it comes to WW2, at least strives to be honest... Let's take a look:
    Saker:

    It is also undeniable that the history of WWII was written by the victors of WWII. This is true of all wars – defeated regimes don’t get to freely present their version of history. Had the Nazis won WWII, we would all have been treated to a dramatically different narrative of what took place.
     
    Duh, pretty basic eh? But maggots like you do not get this. The following is a particularly interesting insight by the Saker:

    ...If you take the Russian population today, it has many more descendants of executioners than descendants of executed people and this is hardly a surprise since dead people don’t reproduce. As a result, the modern Russian historiography is heavily skewed towards whitewashing the Soviet crimes and atrocities.

     

    Hmm....

    Saker (another article);

    I consider the Nazis of have been an abhorrent gang of arrogant genocidal racists maniacs. I do, I really do. I have *nothing* good to say about them. But what I categorically reject is the notion that they were somehow worse than all the other participants in WWII. Think of it, the Soviets? Peuhleeze! Just read Trotsky’s “Terrorism and Communism” or Lenin’s “Lessons of the Moscow Uprising” if you have any doubts about the fact that the Bolsheviks were genocidal maniacs!
    ...
    Could it be that the real crime of the Nazis was not that they were genocidal maniacs, but that they lost WWII and that their (no less genocidal) enemies got to write the history of that war?
     

    You Stalinist pigs really are a bunch of degenerates…
    Do you even realize, pig, how you scumbags alienate people who are not hostile to modern Russia, by virtue of your stupid, cheap, grotesque BS? I mean, you maggots make even a troll like PeterAus look good by comparison

    Terrible, isn’t it ?!

    Fear not, though, smart among them know they’ve made a mistake so you’ll see, soon, plausible explanations.
    It will soothe your ….discomfort.
    You’ll take it just as a little slip, not their true colors.

    After that “perception management” all can go back to bashing trolls of my type and to common flagellation/self-flagellation of West here.
    Back to program, I mean.

    One day, perhaps, your types will realize some things about that…….attitude…. which just slipped out a little bit here.
    Perhaps.

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  187. Erebus says:
    @peterAUS
    Wow.....impressive.

    One's effort was just, ah, whatever; another was/is crude, but yours is very good.

    I am flattered actually.

    On a serious note the methodology IS crude:
    Don't like this guy's writing->let's argue, doesn't work->let's insult, doesn't work->let's go ad hominem and diagnose him with something. We'll see will it work.
    Pity for your bunch here you, apparently, still don't own this site.
    Next step, when "mental thing" doesn't work is selective moderation, always, and then outright ban. Internet.
    Still better than that practice, in real world, during Soviet Union with dissenters. Asylums and such.

    Here, though.....you do have a problem, still.
    Whatever I think about this site and the owner/moderators they DO exhibit certain level of free speech. Compliments there. For the moment. Those things take time and your bunch is ....how to put it....motivated.

    Now, when we are on the topic of mentally unbalanced and such, how would you diagnose a person who relishes speaking about those rapes? Key phrases "favorite swimming style was butterfly", "your mother spent few hours" and such?
    Or for you people that's just normal?

    And, BTW, what is the chance of such sentiment working well with that fantasy of yours, "multipolar" word in Europe? Like, Germans and Russians together building a better world? Or Russians exerting influence in Eastern Europe etc?

    I am sure you'll come up with some nice.... theory.

    Here, though…..you do have a problem, still.
    Whatever I think about this site and the owner/moderators they DO exhibit certain level of free speech. Compliments there. For the moment. Those things take time and your bunch is ….how to put it….motivated.

    Well, the only problem I can detect is that your statement is incomprehensible. However I parse it, the meaning escapes me – a perfect exempli gratia, indeed a demonstration, of the dysfunctions I noted above. Care to re-state it in a way non-gamers can understand?

    … that fantasy of yours, “multipolar” word in Europe? Like, Germans and Russians together building a better world? Or Russians exerting influence in Eastern Europe etc?
    I am sure you’ll come up with some nice…. theory.

    Nope, I have no need for any theory. The facts speak for themselves.
    Mercedes Benz, Siemens, ABB, VW etc responded to the Russia sanctions by incorporating in Russia and opening factories to build cars etc. The Germans structured NordStream II in such a way that Russian gas could by-pass the Ukrainian pothole, and the sanctions as well. German business knows which way the wind is blowing, and lets the politicians piss into it while they sail into the money. Eventually, when the time is right, the German politicians will tack and follow the money too. That’s not a theory, it’s facts on the ground.

    It ain’t just the Germans. Similar facts are happening with Czech & Austrian, and even Polish companies as well. I happen to have personal experience of the latter 2, where friends who own companies got shut out of the Russian market and opened companies there to produce what they would have been exporting otherwise. They’re saying its the best thing they ever did. Direct access to the market, less competition, and China and the ‘stans became more accessible. They both expect their Russian subsidiaries to grow beyond their original mother companies. Small enterprise examples, but if I know 2, there’s a lot more doing or thinking along the same lines.

    You see, Multipolarity isn’t driven by conquest, but by commerce. It is driven by the recognition that military conquest is a dead letter in the age of Globalization and nuclear arsenals. By following the money, countries will join the project as soon as they’re reasonably sure that [a] they’re not gonna get bombed for it, and [b] there’s money to be made. That’ll admittedly take time, and there’s plenty of twists and turns ahead, but Globalization is a world historical trend that is already well underway and accelerating, and multipolarity is just its next phase. You might as well demand that the tide stop waxing (or waning).

    Who knows what comes after. “In the long run, we’re all dead”, to quote a famous economist.
    “Simple, really”, to quote a less famous gamer.

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    Plausible. In theory.

    The world ruled by commercial interest, by common good. Rational players in a game of mutual benefits. Overall human progress into bright future.
    Etc....etc.

    Like those companies working together etc.

    A very nice world indeed.

    There is another world....perhaps.
    The world ruled by quest for power where, effectively irrational, players seek and acquire it, no matter the cost. The world of old hatreds, centuries of pent up frustration/rage, incompatible religions, ways of life, overpopulation etc. Let's not forget 1 % vs the rest, especially lower 60 %.

    Like Arabs and Jews, Sunnis and Shiites in ME, Muslims/Buddhists in Indian subcontinent, Muslims vs Infidels everywhere, reverse racism wherever Whites are now, constant development of more sophisticated weaponry (resident experts are so fond of pointing to).
    Like people who had enough of the current paradigm and voted for Brexit/Trump.
    Like getting one more super yacht with laying off 5000 employees.Commerce............
    Etc.....etc.....
    And, yes, new players acquiring WMDs, just in case.
    Long list, I guess.

    Not that progressive and nice world, by certain standards.

    I am afraid I am being incoherent again. Can't help it.
    Good mental trick of yours, BTW. Makes good filters. Helps a lot.Lucky you.

    I also guess that some people know exactly what I am talking about. Not so lucky us.
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  188. Trump couldn’t care less about a meeting involving Iran, Russia & Turkey – he wouldn’t even know he is supposed to be insulted by it until one of his neocon advisers told him so. Trump would be happy enough to let the regional players work out a peace in Syria, but U.S. patron Israel wants the peace to be on its terms only.
    Russia’s greatest sin for the Zio-cons is in being an independent country – a sin badly compounded by intervention in Georgia, Crimea and Syria. Going forward, the U.S. foreign policy establishment will aim to fix Russia’s wagon by means of economic sanctions. The average American is unawares, but the MSM has gotten the memo that Russia/Putin is the spawn of Satan — with Trump supposedly being in league with that devil. “Why won’t Trump say something bad about Putin!” Saker correctly points out that Putin’s one advantage is in his country’s loyalty to him, but the neocons are pretty sure that driving down the Russian living standard and depriving Russians of the toys of the western economy will change that affair, in due course. Then the Russians will be begging to be saved by the globalist plutocrats.

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  189. Erebus says:
    @Beckow

    "Things are going wobbly again"
     
    Why do you think so? I think we are about to enter an occasional plateau and things will be stable or even improve for a while.

    The Rome analogies are instructive, but they only take you so far. E.g. Rome was collapsing for about two centuries, on and off. Rome was also infinitely more brutal than today's West and the 'barbarians' were real barbarians, not aspiring migrants led by well-paid NGO comprador class.

    Why do you think it is getting wobbly?

    You asked:

    Why do you think it is getting wobbly?

    … having implied a possible answer in your post immediately preceding it.

    Financial crash is quite improbable. Don’t forget, we are dealing with fiat ‘printed’ money. It is effectively play money. And as long as everyone wants to play, it will be fine. All current alternatives are worse.

    The bolded part is salient point. That not everyone wants to play any more, and that some critical players are setting up a new game, with new rules has had plenty of coverage in the financial press, so I’m puzzled why you’re apparently unaware of it.

    Anyway, that is not why I think it’s “getting wobbly”, as the wobbliness is quite independent of any new games being set up. Or, more accurately, new games are being set up partially as a response to the system’s inherent wobbliness.
    The wobbliness stems from the fact that quite emphatically, and contrary to your statement, we do not use “fiat ‘printed’ money”. If we did, you’d be absolutely right. However, currency issuance under the current system is fully backed by the full faith and credit of the entity that borrowed it into existence. That is, currency is issued only against a debt obligation, and it is precisely because the backing for the currency (that debt) is becoming viewed, in aggregate as uncollectable, that the currency itself is losing its viability.

    Global Sovereign debt is now roughly equal to Global GDP – about $60T. Private debt is greater. Globally, according to the World Bank it was at 140% global GDP in 2016, and is probably higher now. In some cases like US & JP, private debt approaches 2x GDP. The entire world – all the land, mines, factories, houses, sub-surface minerals, etc, etc – is valued at roughly $200T. That’s how much the planet is “worth” if some aliens came along and wanted to buy it. We’ve collectively borrowed some 60-70% of the value of everything there is. Debts at those levels are unsustainable except at very high growth rates and even then one wonders about the real collateral left to borrow the necessary currency against. Growth is nowhere to be found, so big time defaults are coming our way.

    When the debt obligation that backed a currency issuance is either met or defaulted on, the currency it created is extinguished. The old adage that “Every debt is paid, either by the borrower or the lender” holds, and so the system depends on more new loans in ever increasing amounts to maintain itself. At this point, with productive growth slowing dramatically and borrowing for consumption running up against carrying limits, where’s the money gonna come from?

    On top of that basic fact regarding debt-backed currency issuance, the financial world has built a staggering edifice of currency swaps, credit default swaps, mortgage backed securities, and a bewildering collection of various derivatives, many of impenetrable complexity. All of them, repeat all, amount to little more than bets on bets derived from that original debt obligation that brought the currency into existence. Thus, at the end of the day all are subject to counter-party risk however “hedged” they may claim to be.

    This is particularly so for the large currencies that underpin the system, namely the EUR & USD and the banks embedded in the FR & ECB systems. The total, nominal value of this edifice is >$1Q, or some 5x the value of the planet. It’s mostly “hedged” in a matrix of counter-party obligations, but that matrix fails when a default at a critical node cascades through the system.

    I think we’re seeing the first signs that defaults are rising faster than new money is created to replace it. That is “wobbly” in my book.

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    Great post E...

    Some really 'cardinal ' parameters there about figures people never really think about...

    You hit the nail on the head with this...

    '...currency is issued only against a debt obligation...

    ...and so the system depends on more new loans in ever increasing amounts to maintain itself. '
     
    This is actually the exact same thing as a pyramid scheme, or Ponzi scheme...ie in order to pay the existing investors their return...ever more investors need to be found...

    This is of course unsustainable...yet this idea of perpetual growth is at the very heart of this system...

    There is no such thing as perpetual growth in nature...and for good reason...

    A couple of years back I did up a spreadsheet comparing a Ponzi scheme and an 'economy' of the same size and growth rate...

    It was all quite simplified...as any such exercise must be...but it showed that the two were mirror images of one another...ie our economy is a Ponzi scheme in reverse...

    Money is magically created out of thin air when anyone [either person or corporation] goes to a bank and takes out a loan...

    that money did not exist until it was created as a debt...

    Now the problem, as with the Ponzi scheme, is that this debt must be repaid with interest...where does that additional money come from...?

    Since new money is created only as debt...every year even more new money must be created as debt just to have enough money in the system to pay the interest...

    It is amazingly simple...yet devilishly dangerous...

    As you noted...this cycle is becoming unsustainable...

    Michael Hudson has written quite a lot about this...including incredible research on economies going back 3,000 years...he is probably the foremost authority on ancient economics...some incredible stuff there...

    He applies a sharp mathematical analysis to this issue of interest-bearing debt getting out of control...ie the arbitrarily set rate of interest means an exponential growth...

    But the real economy may not be able to keep up with that exponential rate of growth...naturally an economic collapse occurs...

    This goes as far back as the Mesopotamian civilization, which Hudson has studied...

    The solution found by the ancients was to periodically have a debt forgiveness...ie wipe the slate clean...because it simply cannot go on anymore...

    The Jews did this too, as Hudson notes...with the Jubilee every 50 years when all debts must be forgiven...[incidentally Jews were forbidden from charging interest to other Jews...just gentiles...}

    This math is quite simple and well known...even in wikipedia under 'exponential growth' we have these examples...

    Economics

    Economic growth is expressed in percentage terms, implying exponential growth. For example, U.S. GDP per capita has grown at an exponential rate of approximately two percent since World War 2.[citation needed]

    Finance

    Compound interest at a constant interest rate provides exponential growth of the capital. See also rule of 72.

    Pyramid schemes or Ponzi schemes also show this type of growth resulting in high profits for a few initial investors and losses among great numbers of investors...'
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponential_growth#Examples

    So we see 'economic growth'...'compound interest'...and 'Ponzi Schemes'...all under the saem math heading of exponential growth...

    And here we have the 'Oracle of Omaha' brainwashing the sheeple about the 'magic' of compund interest...

    And of course in our society where the plutocracy are worshipped as gods...this kind of crap sticks to the wall...

    which is why we will never see a debt forgiveness that Hudson has been calling for...

    our generation is not as smart as the ancient Mesopotamians...the greedy handful at the top of the pyramid will just keep going until the whole thing comes crashing down...

    And with the derivative bubble that has been created...that could come at any time...
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  190. FB says:
    @L.K
    You Stalinist pigs really are a bunch of degenerates...
    Do you even realize, pig, how you scumbags alienate people who are not hostile to modern Russia, by virtue of your stupid, cheap, grotesque BS? I mean, you maggots make even a troll like PeterAus look good by comparison... what's next, Katyn was done by the Germans too? I've seen some deluded pigs right here at Unz posit such shite with a straigth face...

    Anyway, the Saker, to his credit, though he is deeply biased, particularly when it comes to WW2, at least strives to be honest... Let's take a look:
    Saker:

    It is also undeniable that the history of WWII was written by the victors of WWII. This is true of all wars – defeated regimes don’t get to freely present their version of history. Had the Nazis won WWII, we would all have been treated to a dramatically different narrative of what took place.
     
    Duh, pretty basic eh? But maggots like you do not get this. The following is a particularly interesting insight by the Saker:

    ...If you take the Russian population today, it has many more descendants of executioners than descendants of executed people and this is hardly a surprise since dead people don’t reproduce. As a result, the modern Russian historiography is heavily skewed towards whitewashing the Soviet crimes and atrocities.

     

    Hmm....

    Saker (another article);

    I consider the Nazis of have been an abhorrent gang of arrogant genocidal racists maniacs. I do, I really do. I have *nothing* good to say about them. But what I categorically reject is the notion that they were somehow worse than all the other participants in WWII. Think of it, the Soviets? Peuhleeze! Just read Trotsky’s “Terrorism and Communism” or Lenin’s “Lessons of the Moscow Uprising” if you have any doubts about the fact that the Bolsheviks were genocidal maniacs!
    ...
    Could it be that the real crime of the Nazis was not that they were genocidal maniacs, but that they lost WWII and that their (no less genocidal) enemies got to write the history of that war?
     

    What’s your problem goofball…?

    You seem to be mouthing off a lot here about Uncle Joe…

    Funny that…when in February 1943…the Red Army crushed the Wermacht at Staligrad…all of Britain sang songs of praise…

    ‘…The news of the battle echoed round the world, with many people now believing that Hitler’s defeat was inevitable…

    The Turkish Consul in Moscow predicted that “the lands which the Germans have destined for their living space will become their dying space”…

    Britain’s conservative The Daily Telegraph proclaimed that the victory had saved European civilisation. The country celebrated “Red Army Day” on 23 February 1943…

    A ceremonial Sword of Stalingrad was forged by King George VI. After being put on public display in Britain, this was presented to Stalin by Winston Churchill at the Tehran Conference later in 1943…’

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Stalingrad#Significance

    A foul-mouthed turd-kicker like yourself would now be posting crap in German if it weren’t for Unlce Joe and the Red Army…

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    I’m sure there are many Brits old enough to wonder, given the multicultural hellhole their country has descended into, what exactly they were fighting for.
    , @L.K
    Hello Scum,

    What gives you the idiotic notion I'm British?? Well, I guess you are a retard after all...

    As for the British... their elites were heavily responsible for both world wars...

    In WW2, the 2 main capitalist countries, ZUSA and the British Empire, joined forces with Communist/Stalinist Soviet Union to crush Germany.

    Not surprising at all then, that Brit media praised Soviet victories, that's how propaganda works...
    The Brits and the Americans even BURIED the news of the Katyn massacre... they knew who the perps were but covered it up. A few years ago, RT published news on some opened archives confirming the Americans knew all about it at the time...

    P.S. As for being foul-mouthed, I am crude and am no English lord, but don't even come close to your boyfriend, village idiot cyrano, whom I don't see you criticize...
    But much more importantly, unlike you & your friends, you will NOT find me celebrating & making jokes about the mass rape of women... any women.
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  191. @L.K
    Hey, Pig,

    Your beloved Soviet Union invaded Poland in 39 together with Germany and took more than half of it.

    By the end of the war, Poland was a mere Soviet satellite.

    Therefore, your "my dear Slav brother" rings hollow, you are a clown without the makeup.

    Yes, Germany did attack the S.U in 41, but that's bc the Stalinist regime basically cornered Germany into it... as Putin once put it, if you know a fight is coming, be the one to strike first.

    He is probably the only poster here more demented than Avery.

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    FB is in the mix too...
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  192. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @L.K
    Hey, Pig,

    Your beloved Soviet Union invaded Poland in 39 together with Germany and took more than half of it.

    By the end of the war, Poland was a mere Soviet satellite.

    Therefore, your "my dear Slav brother" rings hollow, you are a clown without the makeup.

    Yes, Germany did attack the S.U in 41, but that's bc the Stalinist regime basically cornered Germany into it... as Putin once put it, if you know a fight is coming, be the one to strike first.

    “Hey, Pig”

    It is not the first time you come on this forum with the same supposedly righteous statement that deserves the same answer — “the lady doth protest too much…”

    1. ” The German–Polish Non-Aggression Pact was an international treaty between Nazi Germany and the Second Polish Republic, signed on January 26, 1934.
    2. Only months before before Hitler invaded Poland, Poland joined Hitler in dismembering Czechoslovakia http://www.weeklyuniverse.com/2003/poland.htm
    “In Munich on September 29th and 30th [1938] the allies and Germany held the conference deciding the Sudetenland’s fate. The Munich agreement stipulated German occupation of the Sudetenland by October 10, 1938. Hitler had “acquired” the Sudetenland. … The Polish and Hungarians promptly joined Germany at the Czech carcass.” http://www.globeatwar.com/article/september-1938-dismemberment-czechoslovakia
    3. The Polish–Soviet War (February 1919 – March 1921) was an armed conflict between the Second Polish Republic, the Ukrainian People’s Republic, Soviet Russia and Soviet Ukraine over the control of an area equivalent to today’s Ukraine and parts of modern-day Belarus. Poland’s Chief of State, Józef Piłsudski, felt the time was right to expand Polish borders as far east as feasible…” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish–Soviet_War — That was Polish Lebensraum

    You are not only ignorant in the history of your country — you are also a vulgar discussant

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  193. peterAUS says:
    @Erebus

    Here, though…..you do have a problem, still.
    Whatever I think about this site and the owner/moderators they DO exhibit certain level of free speech. Compliments there. For the moment. Those things take time and your bunch is ….how to put it….motivated.
     
    Well, the only problem I can detect is that your statement is incomprehensible. However I parse it, the meaning escapes me - a perfect exempli gratia, indeed a demonstration, of the dysfunctions I noted above. Care to re-state it in a way non-gamers can understand?

    ... that fantasy of yours, “multipolar” word in Europe? Like, Germans and Russians together building a better world? Or Russians exerting influence in Eastern Europe etc?
    I am sure you’ll come up with some nice…. theory.
     
    Nope, I have no need for any theory. The facts speak for themselves.
    Mercedes Benz, Siemens, ABB, VW etc responded to the Russia sanctions by incorporating in Russia and opening factories to build cars etc. The Germans structured NordStream II in such a way that Russian gas could by-pass the Ukrainian pothole, and the sanctions as well. German business knows which way the wind is blowing, and lets the politicians piss into it while they sail into the money. Eventually, when the time is right, the German politicians will tack and follow the money too. That's not a theory, it's facts on the ground.

    It ain't just the Germans. Similar facts are happening with Czech & Austrian, and even Polish companies as well. I happen to have personal experience of the latter 2, where friends who own companies got shut out of the Russian market and opened companies there to produce what they would have been exporting otherwise. They're saying its the best thing they ever did. Direct access to the market, less competition, and China and the 'stans became more accessible. They both expect their Russian subsidiaries to grow beyond their original mother companies. Small enterprise examples, but if I know 2, there's a lot more doing or thinking along the same lines.

    You see, Multipolarity isn't driven by conquest, but by commerce. It is driven by the recognition that military conquest is a dead letter in the age of Globalization and nuclear arsenals. By following the money, countries will join the project as soon as they're reasonably sure that [a] they're not gonna get bombed for it, and [b] there's money to be made. That'll admittedly take time, and there's plenty of twists and turns ahead, but Globalization is a world historical trend that is already well underway and accelerating, and multipolarity is just its next phase. You might as well demand that the tide stop waxing (or waning).

    Who knows what comes after. "In the long run, we're all dead", to quote a famous economist.
    "Simple, really", to quote a less famous gamer.

    Plausible. In theory.

    The world ruled by commercial interest, by common good. Rational players in a game of mutual benefits. Overall human progress into bright future.
    Etc….etc.

    Like those companies working together etc.

    A very nice world indeed.

    There is another world….perhaps.
    The world ruled by quest for power where, effectively irrational, players seek and acquire it, no matter the cost. The world of old hatreds, centuries of pent up frustration/rage, incompatible religions, ways of life, overpopulation etc. Let’s not forget 1 % vs the rest, especially lower 60 %.

    Like Arabs and Jews, Sunnis and Shiites in ME, Muslims/Buddhists in Indian subcontinent, Muslims vs Infidels everywhere, reverse racism wherever Whites are now, constant development of more sophisticated weaponry (resident experts are so fond of pointing to).
    Like people who had enough of the current paradigm and voted for Brexit/Trump.
    Like getting one more super yacht with laying off 5000 employees.Commerce…………
    Etc…..etc…..
    And, yes, new players acquiring WMDs, just in case.
    Long list, I guess.

    Not that progressive and nice world, by certain standards.

    I am afraid I am being incoherent again. Can’t help it.
    Good mental trick of yours, BTW. Makes good filters. Helps a lot.Lucky you.

    I also guess that some people know exactly what I am talking about. Not so lucky us.

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    Many systems sound nice in theory, but in practice they turn different.
    Democracy, Communism, National Socialism, Globalization, Liberalism, Conservatism, etc.

    a unified Europe would be good in theory, but now there are so many different views amongst the nations and people. You have the 0.1 percent who want only power and abusing middle class.

    if the morons on 8 (or so) major EU political groups dont think outside the box, then the EU will fall apart, and Europe will become completely bipolar or multipolar (good or bad depends)


    as for the world stage with the domination by the Liberal-Neocon-Zionist, I think a multipolar world is good to change that.

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  194. FB says:
    @Erebus
    You asked:

    Why do you think it is getting wobbly?
     
    ... having implied a possible answer in your post immediately preceding it.

    Financial crash is quite improbable. Don’t forget, we are dealing with fiat ‘printed’ money. It is effectively play money. And as long as everyone wants to play, it will be fine. All current alternatives are worse.
     
    The bolded part is salient point. That not everyone wants to play any more, and that some critical players are setting up a new game, with new rules has had plenty of coverage in the financial press, so I'm puzzled why you're apparently unaware of it.

    Anyway, that is not why I think it's "getting wobbly", as the wobbliness is quite independent of any new games being set up. Or, more accurately, new games are being set up partially as a response to the system's inherent wobbliness.
    The wobbliness stems from the fact that quite emphatically, and contrary to your statement, we do not use "fiat 'printed' money". If we did, you'd be absolutely right. However, currency issuance under the current system is fully backed by the full faith and credit of the entity that borrowed it into existence. That is, currency is issued only against a debt obligation, and it is precisely because the backing for the currency (that debt) is becoming viewed, in aggregate as uncollectable, that the currency itself is losing its viability.

    Global Sovereign debt is now roughly equal to Global GDP - about $60T. Private debt is greater. Globally, according to the World Bank it was at 140% global GDP in 2016, and is probably higher now. In some cases like US & JP, private debt approaches 2x GDP. The entire world - all the land, mines, factories, houses, sub-surface minerals, etc, etc - is valued at roughly $200T. That's how much the planet is "worth" if some aliens came along and wanted to buy it. We've collectively borrowed some 60-70% of the value of everything there is. Debts at those levels are unsustainable except at very high growth rates and even then one wonders about the real collateral left to borrow the necessary currency against. Growth is nowhere to be found, so big time defaults are coming our way.

    When the debt obligation that backed a currency issuance is either met or defaulted on, the currency it created is extinguished. The old adage that "Every debt is paid, either by the borrower or the lender" holds, and so the system depends on more new loans in ever increasing amounts to maintain itself. At this point, with productive growth slowing dramatically and borrowing for consumption running up against carrying limits, where's the money gonna come from?

    On top of that basic fact regarding debt-backed currency issuance, the financial world has built a staggering edifice of currency swaps, credit default swaps, mortgage backed securities, and a bewildering collection of various derivatives, many of impenetrable complexity. All of them, repeat all, amount to little more than bets on bets derived from that original debt obligation that brought the currency into existence. Thus, at the end of the day all are subject to counter-party risk however "hedged" they may claim to be.

    This is particularly so for the large currencies that underpin the system, namely the EUR & USD and the banks embedded in the FR & ECB systems. The total, nominal value of this edifice is >$1Q, or some 5x the value of the planet. It's mostly "hedged" in a matrix of counter-party obligations, but that matrix fails when a default at a critical node cascades through the system.

    I think we're seeing the first signs that defaults are rising faster than new money is created to replace it. That is "wobbly" in my book.

    Great post E…

    Some really ‘cardinal ‘ parameters there about figures people never really think about…

    You hit the nail on the head with this…

    ‘…currency is issued only against a debt obligation…

    …and so the system depends on more new loans in ever increasing amounts to maintain itself. ‘

    This is actually the exact same thing as a pyramid scheme, or Ponzi scheme…ie in order to pay the existing investors their return…ever more investors need to be found…

    This is of course unsustainable…yet this idea of perpetual growth is at the very heart of this system…

    There is no such thing as perpetual growth in nature…and for good reason…

    A couple of years back I did up a spreadsheet comparing a Ponzi scheme and an ‘economy’ of the same size and growth rate…

    It was all quite simplified…as any such exercise must be…but it showed that the two were mirror images of one another…ie our economy is a Ponzi scheme in reverse…

    Money is magically created out of thin air when anyone [either person or corporation] goes to a bank and takes out a loan…

    that money did not exist until it was created as a debt…

    Now the problem, as with the Ponzi scheme, is that this debt must be repaid with interest…where does that additional money come from…?

    Since new money is created only as debt…every year even more new money must be created as debt just to have enough money in the system to pay the interest…

    It is amazingly simple…yet devilishly dangerous…

    As you noted…this cycle is becoming unsustainable…

    Michael Hudson has written quite a lot about this…including incredible research on economies going back 3,000 years…he is probably the foremost authority on ancient economics…some incredible stuff there…

    He applies a sharp mathematical analysis to this issue of interest-bearing debt getting out of control…ie the arbitrarily set rate of interest means an exponential growth…

    But the real economy may not be able to keep up with that exponential rate of growth…naturally an economic collapse occurs…

    This goes as far back as the Mesopotamian civilization, which Hudson has studied…

    The solution found by the ancients was to periodically have a debt forgiveness…ie wipe the slate clean…because it simply cannot go on anymore…

    The Jews did this too, as Hudson notes…with the Jubilee every 50 years when all debts must be forgiven…[incidentally Jews were forbidden from charging interest to other Jews...just gentiles...}

    This math is quite simple and well known...even in wikipedia under 'exponential growth' we have these examples...

    Economics

    Economic growth is expressed in percentage terms, implying exponential growth. For example, U.S. GDP per capita has grown at an exponential rate of approximately two percent since World War 2.[citation needed]

    Finance

    Compound interest at a constant interest rate provides exponential growth of the capital. See also rule of 72.

    Pyramid schemes or Ponzi schemes also show this type of growth resulting in high profits for a few initial investors and losses among great numbers of investors…’

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponential_growth#Examples

    So we see ‘economic growth’…’compound interest’…and ‘Ponzi Schemes’…all under the saem math heading of exponential growth…

    And here we have the ‘Oracle of Omaha’ brainwashing the sheeple about the ‘magic’ of compund interest…

    And of course in our society where the plutocracy are worshipped as gods…this kind of crap sticks to the wall…

    which is why we will never see a debt forgiveness that Hudson has been calling for…

    our generation is not as smart as the ancient Mesopotamians…the greedy handful at the top of the pyramid will just keep going until the whole thing comes crashing down…

    And with the derivative bubble that has been created…that could come at any time…

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    It is amazingly simple…yet devilishly dangerous…
     
    The danger came when the gold ran out, and the world switched to pure debt for backing. The last 40 years have seen an increasingly massive credit boom. It's now beyond imagination. Mises had something to say on the subject of credit booms:

    There is no means of avoiding the final collapse of a boom brought about by credit expansion. The alternative is only whether the crisis should come sooner as the result of voluntary abandonment of further credit expansion, or later as a final and total catastrophe of the currency system involved.
     
    The only currency system today is the USD System.


    BTW, did you hear that, in fact, the Houthis' SCUD missile evaded 5 Patriots on its way to missing the Riyadh airport's runway by a few meters. Wouldn't count on that anti-missile system for anything.
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  195. @FB
    What's your problem goofball...?

    You seem to be mouthing off a lot here about Uncle Joe...

    Funny that...when in February 1943...the Red Army crushed the Wermacht at Staligrad...all of Britain sang songs of praise...

    '...The news of the battle echoed round the world, with many people now believing that Hitler's defeat was inevitable...

    The Turkish Consul in Moscow predicted that "the lands which the Germans have destined for their living space will become their dying space"...

    Britain's conservative The Daily Telegraph proclaimed that the victory had saved European civilisation. The country celebrated "Red Army Day" on 23 February 1943...

    A ceremonial Sword of Stalingrad was forged by King George VI. After being put on public display in Britain, this was presented to Stalin by Winston Churchill at the Tehran Conference later in 1943...'

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Stalingrad#Significance

    A foul-mouthed turd-kicker like yourself would now be posting crap in German if it weren't for Unlce Joe and the Red Army...

    I’m sure there are many Brits old enough to wonder, given the multicultural hellhole their country has descended into, what exactly they were fighting for.

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  196. Frankie P says:
    @Sherman
    Hey Genius

    "Say no to an Iran war".

    Agreed. That's why the other day Israel blasted away a nascent Iranian military base encroaching on its border.

    Russia basically watched the whole thing and laughed. Putin has little love for Iran other than to help prop up Assad.

    The more Iran and its stooges drown in the Syrian quagmire the safer the world is.

    Shalom
    Sherm

    PS - How are the PORK and beans?

    The Iranians may have a small presence in the area close to the border, but it’s not necessary at present. Now the question is whether they have set up or are setting up missile factories in the areas adjacent to Tartus Naval base, Khmeimim, and Latakia, all protected by a complex belt of interlocking defense systems including of course the S-400 and S-300VM Antey 2500 anti-aircraft missile systems. How will the Israelis deal with this? Syria and the SAA will get stronger, will get better armed, already have gained great experience, and now the great Shiite highway is open for transport! No wonder Israel is losing its sh**! US patriots have to love this comeuppance!

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  197. Erebus says:
    @FB
    Great post E...

    Some really 'cardinal ' parameters there about figures people never really think about...

    You hit the nail on the head with this...

    '...currency is issued only against a debt obligation...

    ...and so the system depends on more new loans in ever increasing amounts to maintain itself. '
     
    This is actually the exact same thing as a pyramid scheme, or Ponzi scheme...ie in order to pay the existing investors their return...ever more investors need to be found...

    This is of course unsustainable...yet this idea of perpetual growth is at the very heart of this system...

    There is no such thing as perpetual growth in nature...and for good reason...

    A couple of years back I did up a spreadsheet comparing a Ponzi scheme and an 'economy' of the same size and growth rate...

    It was all quite simplified...as any such exercise must be...but it showed that the two were mirror images of one another...ie our economy is a Ponzi scheme in reverse...

    Money is magically created out of thin air when anyone [either person or corporation] goes to a bank and takes out a loan...

    that money did not exist until it was created as a debt...

    Now the problem, as with the Ponzi scheme, is that this debt must be repaid with interest...where does that additional money come from...?

    Since new money is created only as debt...every year even more new money must be created as debt just to have enough money in the system to pay the interest...

    It is amazingly simple...yet devilishly dangerous...

    As you noted...this cycle is becoming unsustainable...

    Michael Hudson has written quite a lot about this...including incredible research on economies going back 3,000 years...he is probably the foremost authority on ancient economics...some incredible stuff there...

    He applies a sharp mathematical analysis to this issue of interest-bearing debt getting out of control...ie the arbitrarily set rate of interest means an exponential growth...

    But the real economy may not be able to keep up with that exponential rate of growth...naturally an economic collapse occurs...

    This goes as far back as the Mesopotamian civilization, which Hudson has studied...

    The solution found by the ancients was to periodically have a debt forgiveness...ie wipe the slate clean...because it simply cannot go on anymore...

    The Jews did this too, as Hudson notes...with the Jubilee every 50 years when all debts must be forgiven...[incidentally Jews were forbidden from charging interest to other Jews...just gentiles...}

    This math is quite simple and well known...even in wikipedia under 'exponential growth' we have these examples...

    Economics

    Economic growth is expressed in percentage terms, implying exponential growth. For example, U.S. GDP per capita has grown at an exponential rate of approximately two percent since World War 2.[citation needed]

    Finance

    Compound interest at a constant interest rate provides exponential growth of the capital. See also rule of 72.

    Pyramid schemes or Ponzi schemes also show this type of growth resulting in high profits for a few initial investors and losses among great numbers of investors...'
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponential_growth#Examples

    So we see 'economic growth'...'compound interest'...and 'Ponzi Schemes'...all under the saem math heading of exponential growth...

    And here we have the 'Oracle of Omaha' brainwashing the sheeple about the 'magic' of compund interest...

    And of course in our society where the plutocracy are worshipped as gods...this kind of crap sticks to the wall...

    which is why we will never see a debt forgiveness that Hudson has been calling for...

    our generation is not as smart as the ancient Mesopotamians...the greedy handful at the top of the pyramid will just keep going until the whole thing comes crashing down...

    And with the derivative bubble that has been created...that could come at any time...

    It is amazingly simple…yet devilishly dangerous…

    The danger came when the gold ran out, and the world switched to pure debt for backing. The last 40 years have seen an increasingly massive credit boom. It’s now beyond imagination. Mises had something to say on the subject of credit booms:

    There is no means of avoiding the final collapse of a boom brought about by credit expansion. The alternative is only whether the crisis should come sooner as the result of voluntary abandonment of further credit expansion, or later as a final and total catastrophe of the currency system involved.

    The only currency system today is the USD System.

    BTW, did you hear that, in fact, the Houthis’ SCUD missile evaded 5 Patriots on its way to missing the Riyadh airport’s runway by a few meters. Wouldn’t count on that anti-missile system for anything.

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    Yes...agree completely on the gold issue...and the USD domination of world finance...

    It is a recipe for disaster...but the artificial demand for petrodollars [the global oil trade is $14 trillion a year...not counting natgas]...is what allows the US to keep printing debt...ie treasury bonds...

    I agree with your take on the demise of the petrodollar being less urgent than the collapse of the credit system...and that either or both could spell the end...

    BTW, did you hear that, in fact, the Houthis’ SCUD missile evaded 5 Patriots on its way to missing the Riyadh airport’s runway by a few meters.
     
    No I hadn't heard that...any links...?

    all I have heard is the 'official' line that the scud(s) were shot down...

    I would not be surprised anyway...it would not be the first time that MIC weapons systems are designed for profit not to actually work...
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  198. FB says:
    @Erebus

    It is amazingly simple…yet devilishly dangerous…
     
    The danger came when the gold ran out, and the world switched to pure debt for backing. The last 40 years have seen an increasingly massive credit boom. It's now beyond imagination. Mises had something to say on the subject of credit booms:

    There is no means of avoiding the final collapse of a boom brought about by credit expansion. The alternative is only whether the crisis should come sooner as the result of voluntary abandonment of further credit expansion, or later as a final and total catastrophe of the currency system involved.
     
    The only currency system today is the USD System.


    BTW, did you hear that, in fact, the Houthis' SCUD missile evaded 5 Patriots on its way to missing the Riyadh airport's runway by a few meters. Wouldn't count on that anti-missile system for anything.

    Yes…agree completely on the gold issue…and the USD domination of world finance…

    It is a recipe for disaster…but the artificial demand for petrodollars [the global oil trade is $14 trillion a year...not counting natgas]…is what allows the US to keep printing debt…ie treasury bonds…

    I agree with your take on the demise of the petrodollar being less urgent than the collapse of the credit system…and that either or both could spell the end…

    BTW, did you hear that, in fact, the Houthis’ SCUD missile evaded 5 Patriots on its way to missing the Riyadh airport’s runway by a few meters.

    No I hadn’t heard that…any links…?

    all I have heard is the ‘official’ line that the scud(s) were shot down…

    I would not be surprised anyway…it would not be the first time that MIC weapons systems are designed for profit not to actually work…

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  199. L.K says:
    @FB
    What's your problem goofball...?

    You seem to be mouthing off a lot here about Uncle Joe...

    Funny that...when in February 1943...the Red Army crushed the Wermacht at Staligrad...all of Britain sang songs of praise...

    '...The news of the battle echoed round the world, with many people now believing that Hitler's defeat was inevitable...

    The Turkish Consul in Moscow predicted that "the lands which the Germans have destined for their living space will become their dying space"...

    Britain's conservative The Daily Telegraph proclaimed that the victory had saved European civilisation. The country celebrated "Red Army Day" on 23 February 1943...

    A ceremonial Sword of Stalingrad was forged by King George VI. After being put on public display in Britain, this was presented to Stalin by Winston Churchill at the Tehran Conference later in 1943...'

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Stalingrad#Significance

    A foul-mouthed turd-kicker like yourself would now be posting crap in German if it weren't for Unlce Joe and the Red Army...

    Hello Scum,

    What gives you the idiotic notion I’m British?? Well, I guess you are a retard after all…

    As for the British… their elites were heavily responsible for both world wars…

    In WW2, the 2 main capitalist countries, ZUSA and the British Empire, joined forces with Communist/Stalinist Soviet Union to crush Germany.

    Not surprising at all then, that Brit media praised Soviet victories, that’s how propaganda works…
    The Brits and the Americans even BURIED the news of the Katyn massacre… they knew who the perps were but covered it up. A few years ago, RT published news on some opened archives confirming the Americans knew all about it at the time…

    P.S. As for being foul-mouthed, I am crude and am no English lord, but don’t even come close to your boyfriend, village idiot cyrano, whom I don’t see you criticize…
    But much more importantly, unlike you & your friends, you will NOT find me celebrating & making jokes about the mass rape of women… any women.

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    What would you rape a woman with anyway...?

    You sound like an extremely 'small' man...she probably wouldn't even notice the 'intrusion'...?

    HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW

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  200. FB says:
    @L.K
    Hello Scum,

    What gives you the idiotic notion I'm British?? Well, I guess you are a retard after all...

    As for the British... their elites were heavily responsible for both world wars...

    In WW2, the 2 main capitalist countries, ZUSA and the British Empire, joined forces with Communist/Stalinist Soviet Union to crush Germany.

    Not surprising at all then, that Brit media praised Soviet victories, that's how propaganda works...
    The Brits and the Americans even BURIED the news of the Katyn massacre... they knew who the perps were but covered it up. A few years ago, RT published news on some opened archives confirming the Americans knew all about it at the time...

    P.S. As for being foul-mouthed, I am crude and am no English lord, but don't even come close to your boyfriend, village idiot cyrano, whom I don't see you criticize...
    But much more importantly, unlike you & your friends, you will NOT find me celebrating & making jokes about the mass rape of women... any women.

    What would you rape a woman with anyway…?

    You sound like an extremely ‘small’ man…she probably wouldn’t even notice the ‘intrusion’…?

    HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW

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    HAW HAW HAW... you got me! Hmm... maybe I'd just improvise like your red army rapists, ya know?
    Like using bottles and stuff...

    Historian Antony Beevor:
    It seems as if Soviet soldiers needed alcoholic courage to attack a woman. But then, all too often, they drank too much and, unable to complete the act, used the bottle instead with appalling effect. A number of victims were mutilated obscenely.
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  201. L.K says:
    @FB

    You can’t blame the Russians for swimming few laps in the German gene pool – if you catch my drift.
     
    Sounds pretty reasonable...all things considered...

    In the end the Germans should be thankful that the Russians didn’t concubinse the entire German female population, although from what I hear the situation wasn’t that far off either.

     

    Indeed...the taking of concubines as war 'booty' is as old as war itself...

    I think that “frau komm” should be recognized as the most successful pick up line in history.

    LOL...funny thing is...it still works pretty good...

    BTW, the usual disgusting excuses of mass raping as “revenge” ring hollow, given that your red army heroes also raped Soviet women who had been taken to work in Germany and even Jewish concentration camp female inmates;

    British Historian Antony Beevor:

    The novelist Vasily Grossman, a war correspondent attached to the invading Red Army, soon discovered that rape victims were not just Germans. Polish women also suffered. So did young Russian, Belorussian and Ukrainian women who had been sent back to Germany by the Wehrmacht for slave labour. “Liberated Soviet girls quite often complain that our soldiers rape them,” he noted. “One girl said to me in tears: ‘He was an old man, older than my father’.”

    The rape of Soviet women and girls seriously undermines Russian attempts to justify Red Army behaviour on the grounds of revenge for German brutality in the Soviet Union.

    As for German women;

    “Red Army soldiers don’t believe in ‘individual liaisons’ with German women,” wrote the playwright Zakhar Agranenko in his diary when serving as an officer of marine infantry in East Prussia. “Nine, ten, twelve men at a time – they rape them on a collective basis.”

    …Natalya Gesse, a close friend of the scientist Andrei Sakharov, had observed the Red Army in action in 1945 as a Soviet war correspondent. “The Russian soldiers were raping every German female from eight to eighty,” she recounted later. “It was an army of rapists.”
    … The subject of the Red Army’s mass rapes in Germany has been so repressed in Russia that even today veterans refuse to acknowledge what really happened. The handful prepared to speak openly, however, are totally unrepentant. “They all lifted their skirts for us and lay on the bed,” said the leader of one tank company. He even went on to boast that “two million of our children were born” in Germany.
    … The capacity of Soviet officers to convince themselves that most of the victims were either happy with their fate, or at least accepted that it was their turn to suffer after what the Wehrmacht had done in Russia, is striking. “Our fellows were so sex-starved,” a Soviet major told a British journalist at the time, “that they often raped old women of sixty, seventy or even eighty – much to these grandmothers’ surprise, if not downright delight.”

    Former Soviet soldiers admit to murder and rape in gleeful manner:

    Hmm… perhaps some of these folks are your relatives, pig?

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    Come on, admit it. You are just jealous that you mother wasn't among those that received genetic enhancement therapy. You would have turned out much better than you are now, you retard.
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  202. L.K says:
    @FB
    What would you rape a woman with anyway...?

    You sound like an extremely 'small' man...she probably wouldn't even notice the 'intrusion'...?

    HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW

    HAW HAW HAW… you got me! Hmm… maybe I’d just improvise like your red army rapists, ya know?
    Like using bottles and stuff…

    Historian Antony Beevor:
    It seems as if Soviet soldiers needed alcoholic courage to attack a woman. But then, all too often, they drank too much and, unable to complete the act, used the bottle instead with appalling effect. A number of victims were mutilated obscenely.

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  203. L.K says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty
    He is probably the only poster here more demented than Avery.

    FB is in the mix too…

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    Yeah, he’s giving the other idiots a real run for their money, no doubt.
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  204. FB says:

    Here is what Rocket Man said this morning when he picked up The New York Times…

    HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/12/04/world/middleeast/saudi-missile-defense.html?smid=tw-share

    Remember that Patriot ‘intercept’ of the Houthi missile shot on Riyadh airport last month…?

    ‘The official story was clear: Saudi forces shot down a ballistic missile fired by Yemen’s Houthi rebel group last month at Saudi Arabia’s capital, Riyadh. It was a victory for the Saudis and for the United States, which supplied the Patriot missile defense system.’

    ‘…“Our system knocked the missile out of the air,” President Trump said the next day from Air Force One en route to Japan, one of the 14 countries that use the system. “That’s how good we are. Nobody makes what we make, and now we’re selling it all over the world.”’

    Sure thing, Dump…

    And now the rest of the story…

    ‘Instead, evidence analyzed by a research team of missile experts appears to show the missile’s warhead flew unimpeded over Saudi defenses and nearly hit its target, Riyadh’s airport. The warhead detonated so close to the domestic terminal that customers jumped out of their seats.’

    ‘The Houthis got very close to creaming that airport.’

    …said Jeffrey Lewis, a missile expert with the Middlebury Institute…

    The Saudis fired FIVE Patriot shots at the Houthi Scud…and missed…

    ‘Governments lie about the effectiveness of these systems. Or they’re misinformed.’

    …Lewis said…

    Turns out that…

    ‘…Shooting down Scud missiles is difficult, and governments have wrongly claimed success against them in the past….’

    But the Scud is a short range missile that came into service in 1957…that’s 60 years ago…

    It reaches a maximum speed of Mach 5…or about 1.5 km/s…

    An intermediate range ballistic missile [IRBM] like those that North Korea has been test flying over the heads of the US pacific fleet [over 20 Aegis 'anti-missile' ships]…has a speed three times greater…about 4.5 km/s [M15...]

    No wonder none of those Aegis ships has even bothered to try to launch an intercept…they know they have a snowball’s chance…despite the fact that they tell us they are designed expressly to shoot down IRBMs…

    An ICBM goes faster yet…over M20 [6 to 7 km/s...]

    That’s five times faster than a Scud…

    And the charade goes on that they are going to intercept ICBMs…

    What a crock…

    ‘The Chinese have a genius for pithy expressions and few are more packed with meaning, while immediately understandable, than “paper tiger”. NATO is one, but paper tigers that overestimate their powers can be dangerous.’

    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2017/11/16/nato-dangerous-paper-tiger.html

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  205. Good timing on the Saudi s-400 systems purchase from the Rooskies then! There must be a lot of nervous camels over there right now. Those Houthis are maniacs.

    http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/14913/saudis-kick-off-historic-moscow-visit-with-plans-to-buy-s-400-air-defense-system

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  206. polskijoe says:
    @peterAUS
    Plausible. In theory.

    The world ruled by commercial interest, by common good. Rational players in a game of mutual benefits. Overall human progress into bright future.
    Etc....etc.

    Like those companies working together etc.

    A very nice world indeed.

    There is another world....perhaps.
    The world ruled by quest for power where, effectively irrational, players seek and acquire it, no matter the cost. The world of old hatreds, centuries of pent up frustration/rage, incompatible religions, ways of life, overpopulation etc. Let's not forget 1 % vs the rest, especially lower 60 %.

    Like Arabs and Jews, Sunnis and Shiites in ME, Muslims/Buddhists in Indian subcontinent, Muslims vs Infidels everywhere, reverse racism wherever Whites are now, constant development of more sophisticated weaponry (resident experts are so fond of pointing to).
    Like people who had enough of the current paradigm and voted for Brexit/Trump.
    Like getting one more super yacht with laying off 5000 employees.Commerce............
    Etc.....etc.....
    And, yes, new players acquiring WMDs, just in case.
    Long list, I guess.

    Not that progressive and nice world, by certain standards.

    I am afraid I am being incoherent again. Can't help it.
    Good mental trick of yours, BTW. Makes good filters. Helps a lot.Lucky you.

    I also guess that some people know exactly what I am talking about. Not so lucky us.

    Many systems sound nice in theory, but in practice they turn different.
    Democracy, Communism, National Socialism, Globalization, Liberalism, Conservatism, etc.

    a unified Europe would be good in theory, but now there are so many different views amongst the nations and people. You have the 0.1 percent who want only power and abusing middle class.

    if the morons on 8 (or so) major EU political groups dont think outside the box, then the EU will fall apart, and Europe will become completely bipolar or multipolar (good or bad depends)

    as for the world stage with the domination by the Liberal-Neocon-Zionist, I think a multipolar world is good to change that.

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    Many systems sound nice in theory, but in practice they turn different.
    Democracy, Communism, National Socialism, Globalization, Liberalism, Conservatism, etc.
     
    Yup.

    if the morons on 8 (or so) major EU political groups dont think outside the box, then the EU will fall apart, and Europe will become completely bipolar or multipolar (good or bad depends)
     
    Should EU fall apart Balkans will reignite. Some other places too.
    From then on..... who knows.

    I have another take on all that.
    If the kleptocracy in Moscow doesn't get changed into something better there will be problems.
    Everywhere.
    , @Erebus

    Many systems sound nice in theory, but in practice they turn different.
    Democracy, Communism, National Socialism, Globalization, Liberalism, Conservatism, etc.
     
    You forgot Global Hegemony, but you're dead right. No system can cover the whole of human interaction.

    There's the old saying that:
    "In theory, theory and practice are the same, but in practice they're not."

    Any system is vulnerable to the fact that it necessarily contains internal contradictions. Exogenous events threaten that containment.
    Multipolarity isn't going to happen because it "sounds nice", but because it's the next developmental stage of Globalization after the failure of Monopolarity. That is, of course, if the Monopole doesn't choose the Samson Option. As I've said above, it isn't some universal panacea curing all the ills of international relations. Exogenous events will destroy it too, sooner or later.

    The Treaty of Westphalia held for 250+ yrs. Small scale Multipolarity is pretty stable, and we'll see how well it does when it tries go Global. My guess is it will never quite get there. Resource depletion and cultural-demographic stresses will trip it up before the century is over.

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  207. Cyrano says:
    @L.K
    BTW, the usual disgusting excuses of mass raping as "revenge" ring hollow, given that your red army heroes also raped Soviet women who had been taken to work in Germany and even Jewish concentration camp female inmates;

    British Historian Antony Beevor:

    The novelist Vasily Grossman, a war correspondent attached to the invading Red Army, soon discovered that rape victims were not just Germans. Polish women also suffered. So did young Russian, Belorussian and Ukrainian women who had been sent back to Germany by the Wehrmacht for slave labour. "Liberated Soviet girls quite often complain that our soldiers rape them," he noted. "One girl said to me in tears: 'He was an old man, older than my father'."

    The rape of Soviet women and girls seriously undermines Russian attempts to justify Red Army behaviour on the grounds of revenge for German brutality in the Soviet Union.
     
    As for German women;

    "Red Army soldiers don't believe in 'individual liaisons' with German women," wrote the playwright Zakhar Agranenko in his diary when serving as an officer of marine infantry in East Prussia. "Nine, ten, twelve men at a time - they rape them on a collective basis."

    ...Natalya Gesse, a close friend of the scientist Andrei Sakharov, had observed the Red Army in action in 1945 as a Soviet war correspondent. "The Russian soldiers were raping every German female from eight to eighty," she recounted later. "It was an army of rapists."
    ... The subject of the Red Army's mass rapes in Germany has been so repressed in Russia that even today veterans refuse to acknowledge what really happened. The handful prepared to speak openly, however, are totally unrepentant. "They all lifted their skirts for us and lay on the bed," said the leader of one tank company. He even went on to boast that "two million of our children were born" in Germany.
    ... The capacity of Soviet officers to convince themselves that most of the victims were either happy with their fate, or at least accepted that it was their turn to suffer after what the Wehrmacht had done in Russia, is striking. "Our fellows were so sex-starved," a Soviet major told a British journalist at the time, "that they often raped old women of sixty, seventy or even eighty - much to these grandmothers' surprise, if not downright delight."
     
    Former Soviet soldiers admit to murder and rape in gleeful manner:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVGSioUL_h8
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTMlT7yafg4

    Hmm... perhaps some of these folks are your relatives, pig?

    Come on, admit it. You are just jealous that you mother wasn’t among those that received genetic enhancement therapy. You would have turned out much better than you are now, you retard.

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    Whatever genes he got...it seems he go the 'short' end of the 'stick'...so to speak...

    Even admitted so himself...


    What would you rape a woman with anyway…?

    You sound like an extremely ‘small’ man…she probably wouldn’t even notice the ‘intrusion’…?
     
    HAW HAW HAW… you got me! Hmm… maybe I’d just improvise like your red army rapists, ya know?
    Like using bottles and stuff…
     
    We really shouldn't be too hard on the 'little' guy...
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  208. peterAUS says:
    @polskijoe
    Many systems sound nice in theory, but in practice they turn different.
    Democracy, Communism, National Socialism, Globalization, Liberalism, Conservatism, etc.

    a unified Europe would be good in theory, but now there are so many different views amongst the nations and people. You have the 0.1 percent who want only power and abusing middle class.

    if the morons on 8 (or so) major EU political groups dont think outside the box, then the EU will fall apart, and Europe will become completely bipolar or multipolar (good or bad depends)


    as for the world stage with the domination by the Liberal-Neocon-Zionist, I think a multipolar world is good to change that.

    Many systems sound nice in theory, but in practice they turn different.
    Democracy, Communism, National Socialism, Globalization, Liberalism, Conservatism, etc.

    Yup.

    if the morons on 8 (or so) major EU political groups dont think outside the box, then the EU will fall apart, and Europe will become completely bipolar or multipolar (good or bad depends)

    Should EU fall apart Balkans will reignite. Some other places too.
    From then on….. who knows.

    I have another take on all that.
    If the kleptocracy in Moscow doesn’t get changed into something better there will be problems.
    Everywhere.

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  209. FB says:
    @Cyrano
    Come on, admit it. You are just jealous that you mother wasn't among those that received genetic enhancement therapy. You would have turned out much better than you are now, you retard.

    Whatever genes he got…it seems he go the ‘short’ end of the ‘stick’…so to speak…

    Even admitted so himself…

    What would you rape a woman with anyway…?

    You sound like an extremely ‘small’ man…she probably wouldn’t even notice the ‘intrusion’…?

    HAW HAW HAW… you got me! Hmm… maybe I’d just improvise like your red army rapists, ya know?
    Like using bottles and stuff…

    We really shouldn’t be too hard on the ‘little’ guy…

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  210. @L.K
    FB is in the mix too...

    Yeah, he’s giving the other idiots a real run for their money, no doubt.

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  211. Erebus says:

    I have another take on all that.
    If the kleptocracy in Moscow doesn’t get changed into something better there will be problems.
    Everywhere.

    Ah, another glimpse of the world’s geo-political situation through the coke bottle lens at the end of Peter’s 10′ of 1″ pipe.
    You think Moscow’s “kleptocracy” is the main issue facing the world?

    A slightly less Zen-like leadership in the Kremlin, and we would see much of Europe a smouldering toast by now. They’ve absorbed and parried every provocation the West has thrown at them for a decade now. Should the leadership in the Kremlin have been half of what the Western press has painted them to be, those provocations that would have resulted in real clashes, real widespread destruction, and 90% of it would have been West of the Dnieper.

    And some half-imagined, and totally undefined “kleptocracy in Moscow” is the problem? As if kleptocracies weren’t endemic to every capital?
    Climb out of that comic book world for a few months and get a grip man. You’ve fallen through layers of delusion into some weird half-state that’s, quite literally neither “here” nor “there”.

    I know, I know… that’s not how you see it…
    Reality answers only the questions you ask of it. No questions, no reality. Simple, really.

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    You think Moscow’s “kleptocracy” is the main issue facing the world?
     
    Not really.

    The main issue facing the world is rethinking how the world should work.

    A first step would be rethinking a way of life based on work/paid employment in society with increasing and coming automation.
    A second step would be rethinking global financial system.

    And when those two are fixed then somebody could start rethinking the role of The Empire and how that could be reformed.

    At the moment the only way for all that to exist is to grow. You and some other guys did touch that here (money and such). The....beast....has....to...grow. And it shall, by any means necessary.

    That's the point where cleptocracy in Moscow comes to play.

    The Empire sees those resources there crucial for its survival.
    It also sees the system there weak enough to keep and keep pushing to take all that over.
    All those nukes and (presumed) high tech weaponry mean nothing for The Empire.
    They had worse game during Soviet Union.
    They see internal weaknesses; actually very similar to weaknesses The Empire has.
    All facade aside, the system in Russia is the same as the system in The Empire.

    So...the problem is: The Empire will keep pushing and the regime in Moscow will....what?
    Having one day enough of it and LAUNCH?
    Because they haven't got much choice. Should the regime somehow collapse and/or get changed Putin and his people can expect the usual. Those types aren't going to allow that.


    A slightly less Zen-like leadership in the Kremlin, and we would see much of Europe a smouldering toast by now
     
    Agree.

    They’ve absorbed and parried every provocation the West has thrown at them for a decade now. Should the leadership in the Kremlin have been half of what the Western press has painted them to be, those provocations that would have resulted in real clashes, real widespread destruction, and 90% of it would have been West of the Dnieper.