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Notes for a White Kid in University
An Introduction to the Blindingly Obvious
A white man’s stick hut. We began building these things in 1137.
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If you are a white student in college, you doubtless hear daily that white people are evil, the principal cause of everything wrong with the world. Whiteness is bad, white people are bad. We are to blame for everything.

If you believe this, you are being gamed. What you are being told is nonsense. If you have the intelligence and self-respect to think for yourself, ask:

“What have other races and ethnic groups accomplished in the world compared to what we white people have?”

This question will be shocking to you because you have been carefully programmed not to think such things. But ask. I think you will find that the groups who complain the most have accomplished the least. Check for yourself.

Look around you. Can you find anything with a moving part that was not invented by whites? Anything electronic? Cars, telephones, computers, aircraft, antibiotics, on and on–all sprang from the minds of white people. You are not supposed to say such things, and could be run out of a university for it–but ask yourself, if you have the courage: Is it true? Do not think that because things are commonplace or easy to use that they are not products of fields of extraordinary difficulty.

The Hubble Space Telescope. Twenty-five hundred years of phenomenally complex math, physics, electronics, optics, and chemistry went into the Hubble. It is entirely a white man’s show. Nobody else has come close. Your professors will not want you to think this. They will not want you to think. But you have a mind. Use it.
The Hubble Space Telescope. Twenty-five hundred years of phenomenally complex math, physics, electronics, optics, and chemistry went into the Hubble. It is entirely a white man’s show. Nobody else has come close. Your professors will not want you to think this. They will not want you to think. But you have a mind. Use it.

Look around your university. Who do you see taking the hard subjects–math, chemistry, physics, engineering, philosophy, computer science? Whites and Asians…right? Are they the kind of people who complain constantly about White Privilege? You may notice a pattern here: Those who can, do. The rest bitch and moan.

How about your own classes? You are not blind. If you think for yourself, you can see who the smart ones are, and who are those getting a free ride. Usually, a free ride at your expense. Your professors will not want you to notice this either. The question is whether you have been so profoundly brainwashed that you cannot see the obvious.

Being very young, you will probably have little idea of the vast body of knowledge, won over millenia, behind all the things you take for granted. At your age, I didn’t either. It takes years to get a handle on things. It will be harder for you because your universities will discourage you from looking around you. But glance at the very partial list below (I paste from an ancient column of mine) to get an idea of what the white race has done over the centuries. You will never have heard of many of these things. And that is curious. While your nose is being rubbed into the virtues, often real, sometimes imagined, of other groups, your own race is seldom motioned except to revile it.

Euclidean geometry. Parabolic geometry. Hyperbolic geometry. Projective geometry. Differential geometry. Calculus: Limits, continuity, differentiation, integration. Physical chemistry. Organic chemistry. Biochemistry. Classical mechanics. The indeterminacy principle. The wave equation. The Parthenon. The Anabasis. Air conditioning. Number theory. Romanesque architecture. Gothic architecture. Information theory. Entropy. Enthalpy. Every symphony ever written. Pierre Auguste Renoir. The twelve-tone scale. The mathematics behind it, twelfth root of two and all that. S-p hybrid bonding orbitals. The Bohr-Sommerfeld atom. The purine-pyrimidine structure of the DNA ladder. Single-sideband radio. All other radio. Dentistry. The internal-combustion engine. Turbojets. Turbofans. Doppler beam-sharpening. Penicillin. Airplanes. Surgery. The mammogram. The Pill. The condom. Polio vaccine. The integrated circuit. The computer. Football. Computational fluid dynamics. Tensors. The Constitution. Euripides, Sophocles, Aristophanes, Aeschylus, Homer, Hesiod. Glass. Rubber. Nylon. Skyscrapers. The piano. The harpsichord. Elvis. Acetylcholinesterase inhibitors. (OK, that’s nerve gas, and maybe we didn’t really need it.) Silicone. The automobile. Really weird stuff, like clathrates, Buckyballs, and rotaxanes. The Bible. Bug spray. Diffie-Hellman, public-key cryptography, and RSA. Et cetera at great length.

If you talk about these things on campus, you will be called a “white supremacist.” This is silly. But calling you a racist is an effective way of making you shut up. Do you want to be supreme over anyone? I do not. Yet other races are proud of their achievements. Why should you not be? Ask where they would be without electricity, sterile water, telephones and–well, just about everything.

You hear from your professors that white people were guilty of colonization, slavery, and oppression. This is true. What your professors will not point out is that such behavior was, and is, universal. Human beings are a sorry species, given to murder, torture, genocide, thievery, looting, conquest, and slavery. This has been, and is, true of Africans, American Indians, Latin Americans, Muslims, Christians, Jews, Hindus, Japanese, Chinese, and Europeans.

The Large Hadron Collider, a gigantic particle accelerator at CERN, in Switzerland, a massive instrument for research in subatomic physics. It is one of the greatest and most challenging projects of humanity. The Japanese could do this if they wanted to badly enough and soon, perhaps, the Chinese. They didn’t. The technology is a white man’s show, starting from Athens 2500 years ago. Are you sure you should be ashamed of this?
The Large Hadron Collider, a gigantic particle accelerator at CERN, in Switzerland, a massive instrument for research in subatomic physics. It is one of the greatest and most challenging projects of humanity. The Japanese could do this if they wanted to badly enough and soon, perhaps, the Chinese. They didn’t. The technology is a white man’s show, starting from Athens 2500 years ago. Are you sure you should be ashamed of this?

You mgmt reasonably be proud of these things. Any other race would be. Your people invented virtually the entire modern world. But that is not too important. The important thing is understanding that intellectual advance comes from some groups and not others. This may not seem fair, and you are not supposed to notice it, much less talk about it. Yet it is obvious. You might prefer that it not be true, but it is true.

Think of the above as a white man’s cave paintings.
Think of the above as a white man’s cave paintings.

The current hostility on campus to white people is stupid. The human race faces many serious problems. Trying to cripple the group most likely to solve them is good neither for you, the United States, nor the world. We need a cure for cancer. For reasons involving science that you have probably not heard of, we are getting close. If I were cancer these days, I believe I would go into hiding.

When some team pulls the cancer rabbit out of the hat, it will very likely be a team of white people. The second best guess, and an increasingly good bet, is the Chinese. Third? Japanese or Koreans, but this is not likely. After them, nobody is in the running.

ORDER IT NOW

Recognizing the phenomenal achievements of your own race is no reason for arrogance. Arrogance usually betrays inner doubt. The successful do not need it. No, success does not justify you in looking down on others. It does suggest that you need not allow yourself to be scorned. You, as a member of way-and-gone the most successful and creative race and culture the planet has seen, should not put up with it. Don’t brag about our achievements. But know of them..

As a man of appalling age, I have lived in Thailand, Taiwan, Mexico, Vietnam, and Cambodia, traveled in a great many other countries, and both like and respect their peoples. They are not stupid. May they flourish. And yet for whatever reason–the reasons are not clear–they have not approached the accomplishments of the white race. There you have it.

It is chiefly in the United States that those who can’t, haven’t, and aren’t likely to, constantly attack those who can and have. Note that while they rail and fume and grouse, they depend utterly on a world created by the people about whom they rail and grouse. To them you might reasonably say, “Come back and talk to me when you have done something worth talking about.” A great silence would follow.

(Reprinted from Fred on Everything by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. We began building these things in 1137.

    we were responsible for black slavery….

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    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
    Who's we, Kemosabe? Negroes cheerfully enslaved each other and sold their co-Africans to the highest bidder-Arab, Jew, European. Oh, and Arabs captured and enslaved Europeans. And, to be blunt, how badly did enslaved Negroes do in the American South?
    , @CK
    The largest purchasers of African slaves were the Portuguese sugar plantations in Brazil.
    The last western hemisphere purchasers of African slaves were the Cuban sugar plantations.
    The sellers were always coastal African tribes. They raided inland for food, slaves, women.
    Kept some ate some sold some.
    The logistics managers were the Dutch Jews who were the shipowners and middlemen.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    Slavery was pretty universal to the ancient world. Its profitable, so as long as the ancient equivalent of the military-industrial complex is constantly producing new prisoners.
    , @JustJeff
    Кто это "мы"?
    , @johno
    "… we were responsible for black slavery…."

    You're an Arab Trader?
    , @interesting
    slavery was never based on race........slavery is not a white "invention" and, I hate to say this, but only a complete idiot would think otherwise.

    so, are you?
    , @cucksworth
    for you my trolly troll friend

    https://www.amren.com/news/2017/03/white-slaves-christian-slaves-robert-davis-anti-white-racism/
    , @Father O'Hara
    Ha ha ha ha!!! I normally reject the stupid,childish ad hominem stuff,but,dude you are an idiot.
    Less o'course you're a Jew or a Moslem...
    , @Ragno
    Thank God the author of such an ignorant and ahistorical Hyer Ejjucayshun FunFact™ signs his work 'santoculto'; it helps bolster and support Fred's point.

    ¡Gracias, pendejo!
    , @Haitema
    What an uninformed comment. Islamic slavers were raiding both white and black settlements long before whites got in on it. Whites were responsible for ending slavery except in Muslim countries. See Stefan Molyneaux's The Truth about Slavery.
    , @Syrin
    No, blacks sold other blacks into slavery to white people. White people ENDED slavery. Blacks are still selling blacks into slavery as you ignore the reality around you.
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  2. @Santoculto

    We began building these things in 1137.
     
    ... we were responsible for black slavery....

    Who’s we, Kemosabe? Negroes cheerfully enslaved each other and sold their co-Africans to the highest bidder-Arab, Jew, European. Oh, and Arabs captured and enslaved Europeans. And, to be blunt, how badly did enslaved Negroes do in the American South?

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    • Replies: @Truth

    Negroes cheerfully enslaved each other and sold their co-Africans to the highest bidder-Arab, Jew, European.
     
    But what if that's all a canard? What if the whole trans-European slave trade is a canard? What if it never happened? You see, here's the thing about white folks, y'all will refurbish and display a 300 year old pencil, but there are NO slave ships, only drawings, 150 years later! A little strange don't you think.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ9ud6bjd4k

    History is a group of lies agreed upon.
    -Napoleon Bonaparte.
    , @Corvinus
    "Who’s we, Kemosabe?"

    Hey, that's MY line, you horse thief. Get your own phrase.

    "Negroes cheerfully enslaved each other and sold their co-Africans to the highest bidder-Arab, Jew, European."

    Negroes and whites, yes.

    "Oh, and Arabs captured and enslaved Europeans."

    So, enslavement is a HUMAN endeavor, right?

    "And, to be blunt, how badly did enslaved Negroes do in the American South?"

    Well, they were taken from their homelands, shackled, put on a ship, sold to the highest bidder, and toiled until they died. All in all, pretty well.
    , @Wally
    Black researcher Dr. Tony Martin let's us know who the prime sellers & owners of slaves really were, Jews.

    Dr. Tony Martin - The Jewish Role in the African Slave Trade

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut7I75Q_-zA

    JEWS AND THE SLAVE TRADE
    http://wethoughttheywerewhite.weebly.com/jews--the-slave-trade.html

    http://wethoughttheywerewhite.weebly.com/uploads/5/3/4/9/53499197/6585841.jpg?296
    http://wethoughttheywerewhite.weebly.com/uploads/5/3/4/9/53499197/8785931.jpg?277
    http://wethoughttheywerewhite.weebly.com/uploads/5/3/4/9/53499197/3328022_orig.jpg
    http://wethoughttheywerewhite.weebly.com/uploads/5/3/4/9/53499197/892816_orig.jpg
    http://wethoughttheywerewhite.weebly.com/uploads/5/3/4/9/53499197/1507471.jpg?717

    , @The White Muslim Traditionalist
    If you want to claim ownership of the Mona Lisa and the Iliad, you're going to have to carry slavery and the Holocaust along with it.


    Me, I had nothing to do with any of those things. I also affirm that these *technological advances* have made the planet worse, not better.
  3. Yet since Richard Pryor first did a “visiting Mother Africa” skit about horrible smells and conditions and rushing “home” to America it has almost become a standard in Black stand up comedy here, always with the Blacks seeming to laugh and understand the most.

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    A white man’s stick hut. We began building these things in 1137.

    LOL

    I also suggest to lend an ear to music like (among many examples) Rachmaninov’s or Brahms’ Concertos.
    White people drum beats.

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    • Replies: @daniel le mouche
    If you're not able to keep up with some kukamunga beat and RHYTHMICALLY swivel your non-existent hips, man you're just not with it. What's wrong? Common, man, get up and DANCE!
  5. Perhaps one should do some research before making assertions.

    Japan has a strong domestic programme based on the High Energy Accelerator Research Organization (KEK) and the Kamioka Laboratory, and is currently operating KEK-B, the BELLE experiment, the J-PARC facility for nuclear and particle physics and the T2K long-baseline neutrino experiment. Japan made an important contribution to the OPAL experiment at LEP, as well as to CHORUS and the AD facility. Japan made a very important financial and technical contribution to the LHC accelerator, as well as to ATLAS via KEK, Tokyo and other universities. Japanese institutions have also joined ALICE and LHCf. Japan is a special Observer State, with the right to attend restricted Council sessions for discussions of LHC matters.
    Japan contributed to the material costs of Phase 1 of the WLCG at CERN and is now contributing to deployment of the WLCG with a Tier-2 centre. Japan is also a key contributor to the OPERA (link is external) experiment, principally via Nagoya University, and to the ASACUSAand ALPHA experiments at the AD, and also participates in fixed-target experiments. Japan also collaborates to the COMPASS, DIRAC, MERIT, NA61 and nTOFexperiments. Japan is one of the principal proponents of a future linear collider, and is also making a valuable contribution to CLIC R&D, where KEK has important relevant expertise.
    CERN and KEK signed a framework agreement in 2009 and a CERN-KEK Committee was set up to advise the two laboratories on their future collaboration, including contributions to R&D on LHC upgrades.

    https://international-relations.web.cern.ch/stakeholder-relations/states/japan

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    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    hyperbola,

    Yes, as someone with a Ph.D. in elementary-particle physics, I will confirm that Japan plays a serious role in this field -- it goes back at least to Yukawa's work in the early twentieth century.

    But, as important as the historical role of France, Germany, Britain, or the US?

    No. Just obviously no to anyone familiar with the field.

    Dave Miller in Sacramento

  6. What/who is the “white race”? Does it include Mexicans (or Mexicans of Spanish origin – remember than the Spanish built the first modern submarine)? Does it include Hindus – whose “race” already discovered mathematics in 1000BC that Europeans would not (re)discover until the Renaissance (1500 AD).

    From jewel-capped teeth to golden bridges – 9,000 years of dentistry

    http://www.ancient-origins.net/human-origins-science/jewel-capped-teeth-golden-bridges-9000-years-dentistry-001427?nopaging=1

    … An experimental reconstruction of a bow and flint-tipped drill used to bore through molar teeth found at a Neolithic graveyard in Mehrgarh, Pakistan. Photo source.

    The myth of the tooth worm
    The first and most enduring explanation for what causes tooth decay was the tooth worm, as depicted in the ivory sculptures to the left, which was first noted by the Sumerians around 5000 BC. The hypothesis was that tooth decay was the result of a tooth worm boring into and decimating the teeth. This is logical, as the holes created by cavities are somewhat similar to those bored by worms into wood.
    The idea of the tooth worm has been found in the writings of the ancient Greek philosophers and poets, as well as those of the ancient Indian, Japanese, Egyptian, and Chinese cultures. It endured as late as the 1300s, when French surgeon Guy de Chauliac still promoted the belief that worms cause tooth decay.

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    • Replies: @Triumph104
    Seems like the idea of the tooth worm would have endured longer than the 1300s. Elements like magnesium and calcium were not identified until the 18th or 19th centuries, vitamins C and D in the 20th century.
    , @daniel le mouche
    The Spanish and Hindu are effectively white, i.e. they have a large percentage of Caucasian in their racial makeup. As for tooth decay, read Weston Price.
    , @Wally
    Well yes, Spaniards are white.
    How many people are demanding entrance into India?
    How many people are demanding entrance into Pakistan?

    Your occasional little tidbits do nothing but demonstrate the rarity of such things in the non-European, non-E. Asian cultures.

    I'm waiting for the laughable 'great African empires' next.

    , @Sergey Krieger
    "Does it include Hindus – whose “race” already discovered mathematics in 1000BC that Europeans would not (re)discover until the Renaissance (1500 AD). "

    It is akin boasting that your wife was having a beautiful baby and then adding that she unfortunately had miscarriage. What use of what some Indian found something before Europeans if the whole thing did not turn into anything at all and had to be rediscovered and developed into something useful by others.
    Inventions by Indians, Chinese and whoever else were just that one time events that did not cause no trend, nothing.
    In case of Europeans however it is unmistakable trend which started with ancient Greeks , then Romans and that restarted and continued after Renaissance and into modernity and now..
    You demagoguery changes nothing because facts are here for all to see.
    , @Rdm
    Definition of "White" is dynamic actually, rather than a fixed assumption based on a country of origin.

    19th century definition of Whites
    - loosely based on geographical locations, especially all Nordic countries, with a vague idea of Aryan blood.
    - All European sounding names
    - southern Italians near Africa, Eastern Europeans are considered lower class Whites.

    20th century definition of Whites
    - Caucasoid features, high brow, nasal bridge, round eyes, and light skin

    21st century definition of Whites
    - blonde hair, ginger works too
    - any other color of eyes (iris color), rather than black iris
    - high brow, nasal bridge (caucasoid features)
    - round eyes

    Those qualities are a must: you can't be Whites with one of four qualities or two of four qualities. All four physical traits are necessary in order to be considered White. Why all 4 qualities are must?

    The perception of White changes over time. With an advanced medical procedures and techniques, if you loosen up the definition of Whites, one can easily become White:

    (i) One can easily perform a plastic surgery to remove crooked nose in Jews, Iranian etc etc , (ii) dying hair is at your whim, (iii) double-eyelids are another morning chores for every Koreans/Japanese, (iv) those East Asians, Brahmin categorized Indians, Middle Easterners with lighter skin,

    White population will blow up the ceiling. But it can't be true, right?

    So you tighten up the definition.

    Look at John Oliver. Is this guy considered as White or Indian?

    The guy will be peddling in an Indian street, selling samosa if he's in India. No one will bet an eye on him. But with a taint of the country of origin, he's still milking viewers in America.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-4dIImaodQ

    Now look at Adriana Lima, a Brazilian model, whose mother language is not English, whose ethnicity is multi-layered mixed,

    http://i63.tinypic.com/rm8col.jpg

    You will consider her White if she's walking down the street. The only catch is, she has to dye her hair really blonde, since she possesses all other physical qualities.

    But you can expect her children will feel immensely proud of White heritage once they come to America, become Americans, with all physical features considered as White. In fact, you know how much Brazilian contributed much to the advancement of human civilization. So go figure the definition of Whites.

    Whites definition is rather fluid.

  7. I have a BA in physics and mathematics from a top US university. I briefly continued to do specialized, low level work in those areas before moving on to grad school in another mathematical discipline. I do not recognize the equations described as White man cave art. Would some more knowledgeable reader please enlighten me with sufficient information that I can learn more about these equations.

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    • Replies: @The Grate Deign
    Jus' Sayin'...

    These are equations for current distribution in a MOSFET transistor. "I" is the universal symbol for direct current. and 'i' is usually used for alternating current. The letters C, B, and E are for the collector, base, and emitter of a transistor. Vsub-T is the thermal voltage that exists at the junction of the p- and n- materials. Something closer to your physics wheelhouse is:

    Vsub-T = kT/q,
     
    where k is Boltzmann's constant (usually in Joules per degree Kelvin), T is the temperature in degrees Kelvin, and q is the electron charge of 1.6E(-19) Coulomb.

    Don't feel ignernt. This is stuff you'd see in a graduate level course in electrical engineering. They are not equations a math or physics major would likely have encountered unless you're a PhD level physicist whose job is to evaluate the electromagnetic field effects inside semiconductors.

    P.S. I'll leave it to you as an exercise to characterize what sort of people Joule, Boltzmann, Lord Kelvin, and Coulomb were.
    , @PhysicistDave
    To (slightly) correct an earlier commenter, these are the basic equations for the operation of a bipolar transistor. (I was a semiconductor device physicist at one point in my career.)

    It gets a lot more complex if you want to model it more accurately.

    And, the physics behind those equations -- well, it took a number of geniuses to work out all that phsyics over the last few centuries.

    Dave Miller in Sacramento
  8. “you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen”

    civilization itself was invented in Africa by Africans. The white man simply stole it from the Africans like he stole everything else.

    when Obama said “you didn’t build that”, he was talking about how all the greatness and wealth and accomplishments of America (and by extension going back to Europe) were all a direct consequence of the effort of slaves who did built that, but are not given any credit for it. Just like the White House itself, it was all created by black slaves and stolen from them and used against them to oppress them, as it’s being done today.

    all the white man has ever built has been slave ships and chains, with which he has confiscated the greatness and labor of the black race (when he isn’t lynching them), and also civilization’s most noble inventors who wrote the very bible; the Jews. Who did invent knowledge itself and whose tribe provided the divine blood of God Himself, only to be crucified by jealous Roman Gentiles.

    So between the black (and perhaps a couple of Semitic Arab) Africans who invented civilization itself- and the Jews who gave us God and Knowledge and Truth, all the white Gentiles have ever done is enslave these heroic peoples who’ve created everything of value in the world, and put them in chains or gas chambers as the case may be, when ever they’ve had free reign – so they could steal their respective accomplishments and claim them as their own (as Fred is trying to do here). And it’s because of this that these evil white people must Never Again! be allowed to control their own destinies, because as surely as the sun rises in the East, they’ll forge chains for all blacks and build ovens for all Jews (and women and homosexuals and Mexicans and all POC and all transvestites and all the good people who have been oppressed and genocided and enslaved by white men from the beginning of time)

    ~ University Professor Rurik ~ the kosher

    this is the mantra that drives the left and all the SJW and all the blacks and Jews and POC, who know darn well it’s a crock, but who milk it relentlessly for its infinite flow of perks and largess from the ‘guilty’/gullible.

    Can you blame them?

    By impugning guilt, they are laying claim to a magnificent civilization and its wealth and its children. To do with as they please.

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    • Replies: @Truth

    all the white man has ever built has been slave ships and chains
     
    Ho-ho-ho.

    See my earlier post.
    , @Hans Vogel
    The "Blacks" invented "Civilization?" Seen any pictures of the guys who "invented" it? Seen their hands? Were they dark on top and pink below? These are all assumptions and they are not uncontested, no matter how emphatically they are uttered and repeated.
  9. @Santoculto

    We began building these things in 1137.
     
    ... we were responsible for black slavery....

    The largest purchasers of African slaves were the Portuguese sugar plantations in Brazil.
    The last western hemisphere purchasers of African slaves were the Cuban sugar plantations.
    The sellers were always coastal African tribes. They raided inland for food, slaves, women.
    Kept some ate some sold some.
    The logistics managers were the Dutch Jews who were the shipowners and middlemen.

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    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "The logistics managers were the Dutch Jews who were the shipowners and middlemen."

    Dutch Jews, English men, Portuguese ship captains, American plantation owners...all part and parcel to the development of slavery in the New World.
    , @hyperbola
    90+% of slave trading was financed/carried out by british, dutch and portuguese jews and based in the colonies of those countries.

    Who Brought the Slaves to America? : Walter White
    https://archive.org/details/WhoBroughtTheSlavesToAmerica_663


    You can still see the vestiges of the slave trade in places like Charleston, SC. The big stone mansions of the jewish slave traders were on the harbor front. The wooden mansions of the "whites"were a bit further inland and the hovels of the blacks were still further inland.
  10. Fred,
    Being a father with boys, I have literally hundreds of pounds of legos in my home.

    The Hubble telescope in your captioned photo is a lovely lego creation. I maintain that even a child can build such a thing.

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  11. @Diversity Heretic
    Who's we, Kemosabe? Negroes cheerfully enslaved each other and sold their co-Africans to the highest bidder-Arab, Jew, European. Oh, and Arabs captured and enslaved Europeans. And, to be blunt, how badly did enslaved Negroes do in the American South?

    Negroes cheerfully enslaved each other and sold their co-Africans to the highest bidder-Arab, Jew, European.

    But what if that’s all a canard? What if the whole trans-European slave trade is a canard? What if it never happened? You see, here’s the thing about white folks, y’all will refurbish and display a 300 year old pencil, but there are NO slave ships, only drawings, 150 years later! A little strange don’t you think.

    History is a group of lies agreed upon.
    -Napoleon Bonaparte.

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    • Replies: @daniel le mouche
    thanks, that is one hilarious video. i doans memma da laz time i agz myseff dese queshions.
    , @Curle
    For years Afro Americans have been telling themselves the Pharaohs were sub Saharan. A recent study of Pharaoh mummy DNA shows the Pharaohs had even less sub Saharan DNA than present day Egyptians, leading to conclusion that presence of subsaharans in Egypt increased with slave trade but ancient presence of subsaharans in Egypt was negligible.

    Not that this dose of reality will change what the Afro studies hucksters teach one iota.

    , @Philip Owen
    You have a point. Most of the diagrams and description of slave ships and the conditions of slavery (savage overseers whipping mothers and babies) comes from anti-slavery campaigns. These are the images now used to illustrate the history of slavery. The barbarity of the Middle Passage was not usually loose pack or tight pack, if ever.

    African and European slaves in North Africa did not reproduce at all, except the concubines of the very rich. Male slaves in MENA had life expectancies measured on the fingers of one hand. They needed constant replenishment. Slaves in most of the Caribbean and Latin America did not reproduce enough to replace their numbers. In the US, the slave population did more or less reproduce itself. In the Turkish parts of the Middle East some slaves were well treated, even privileged.

    Exposing over dramatic anti-slavery propaganda still doesn't make North American slavery right.
    , @Joe Schmoe

    History is a group of lies agreed upon.
    -Napoleon Bonaparte.
     
    Napoleon never actually lived. He is really just a fictional character created by the Bourbons.
  12. @Rurik
    "you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen"

    civilization itself was invented in Africa by Africans. The white man simply stole it from the Africans like he stole everything else.

    when Obama said "you didn't build that", he was talking about how all the greatness and wealth and accomplishments of America (and by extension going back to Europe) were all a direct consequence of the effort of slaves who did built that, but are not given any credit for it. Just like the White House itself, it was all created by black slaves and stolen from them and used against them to oppress them, as it's being done today.

    all the white man has ever built has been slave ships and chains, with which he has confiscated the greatness and labor of the black race (when he isn't lynching them), and also civilization's most noble inventors who wrote the very bible; the Jews. Who did invent knowledge itself and whose tribe provided the divine blood of God Himself, only to be crucified by jealous Roman Gentiles.

    So between the black (and perhaps a couple of Semitic Arab) Africans who invented civilization itself- and the Jews who gave us God and Knowledge and Truth, all the white Gentiles have ever done is enslave these heroic peoples who've created everything of value in the world, and put them in chains or gas chambers as the case may be, when ever they've had free reign - so they could steal their respective accomplishments and claim them as their own (as Fred is trying to do here). And it's because of this that these evil white people must Never Again! be allowed to control their own destinies, because as surely as the sun rises in the East, they'll forge chains for all blacks and build ovens for all Jews (and women and homosexuals and Mexicans and all POC and all transvestites and all the good people who have been oppressed and genocided and enslaved by white men from the beginning of time)

    ~ University Professor Rurik ~ the kosher

    this is the mantra that drives the left and all the SJW and all the blacks and Jews and POC, who know darn well it's a crock, but who milk it relentlessly for its infinite flow of perks and largess from the 'guilty'/gullible.

    Can you blame them?

    By impugning guilt, they are laying claim to a magnificent civilization and its wealth and its children. To do with as they please.

    all the white man has ever built has been slave ships and chains

    Ho-ho-ho.

    See my earlier post.

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    See my earlier post.
     
    Sorry old chap....30 seconds of my life I will have wasted.


    Cheers!
  13. Federico, you keep moving the goal posts. I thought little Mestizo kids were doing quantum physics in the 3rd grade in Guadalajara?!

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    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    His wife's quit reading his blogs ??? I dunno, just a theory.

    ;-}

    Another truthful post from Mr. Reed.
  14. @Jus' Sayin'...
    I have a BA in physics and mathematics from a top US university. I briefly continued to do specialized, low level work in those areas before moving on to grad school in another mathematical discipline. I do not recognize the equations described as White man cave art. Would some more knowledgeable reader please enlighten me with sufficient information that I can learn more about these equations.

    Jus’ Sayin’…

    These are equations for current distribution in a MOSFET transistor. “I” is the universal symbol for direct current. and ‘i’ is usually used for alternating current. The letters C, B, and E are for the collector, base, and emitter of a transistor. Vsub-T is the thermal voltage that exists at the junction of the p- and n- materials. Something closer to your physics wheelhouse is:

    Vsub-T = kT/q,

    where k is Boltzmann’s constant (usually in Joules per degree Kelvin), T is the temperature in degrees Kelvin, and q is the electron charge of 1.6E(-19) Coulomb.

    Don’t feel ignernt. This is stuff you’d see in a graduate level course in electrical engineering. They are not equations a math or physics major would likely have encountered unless you’re a PhD level physicist whose job is to evaluate the electromagnetic field effects inside semiconductors.

    P.S. I’ll leave it to you as an exercise to characterize what sort of people Joule, Boltzmann, Lord Kelvin, and Coulomb were.

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    • Replies: @ringo
    Actually, these equations are for a bipolar transistor, not a MOSFET.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Thank you, EE. I knew the "i"'s were for current and the "V"'s for voltage, but you saved me from trying to look these equations up.
    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    Thanks to all for the help. I did have to work with transistor circuits a fair bit but I'd never have thought to connect these equations with transistor analyses
  15. Don’t brag about our achievements. But know of them..

    I love this :)

    for whatever reason–the reasons are not clear–they have not approached the accomplishments of the white race.

    HDI is the chief reason, my best guess. also, it is hard to develop as a nation without foreign direct investment. china sucked up almost all of it because chinese factories can scale up and down so easily. colonialism also plays a part. the white race was in vaccum mode for the entire planet’s resources for the last 300+ years. I would dare say usa still have not stopped the extractive policies :)

    Recognizing the phenomenal achievements of your own race is no reason for arrogance. Arrogance usually betrays inner doubt.

    alot of the “white” commentators are guilty of this :)))

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  16. If you want to be proud of someone else achievements, why limit yourself to the “white race”? Why not be proud of being human and take credit of everything humanity achieved?
    Why not be proud of being mammal, and boast of whale size, kangaroo’s jump, cheetah’s speed and other amazing things mammals ever did?

    https://www.amazon.com/Animal-Records-Amazing-Book-Mammal/dp/1567113672

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  17. @Diversity Heretic
    Who's we, Kemosabe? Negroes cheerfully enslaved each other and sold their co-Africans to the highest bidder-Arab, Jew, European. Oh, and Arabs captured and enslaved Europeans. And, to be blunt, how badly did enslaved Negroes do in the American South?

    “Who’s we, Kemosabe?”

    Hey, that’s MY line, you horse thief. Get your own phrase.

    “Negroes cheerfully enslaved each other and sold their co-Africans to the highest bidder-Arab, Jew, European.”

    Negroes and whites, yes.

    “Oh, and Arabs captured and enslaved Europeans.”

    So, enslavement is a HUMAN endeavor, right?

    “And, to be blunt, how badly did enslaved Negroes do in the American South?”

    Well, they were taken from their homelands, shackled, put on a ship, sold to the highest bidder, and toiled until they died. All in all, pretty well.

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    Well, they [African slaves] were taken from their homelands, shackled, put on a ship, sold to the highest bidder, and toiled until they died. All in all, pretty well.
     
    Given the slave population increase between 1790 (about 650,000) and 1860 (almost four million), a sextupling of the population in 70 years, they seem to have had plenty of energy for activities other than toiling and dying. But your last statement is right on the money! The life of an African slave in North America probably compared favorably to an industrial worker in Europe or North America during the same period. And it was much better than living in a high disease load subsistence agriculture environment in equitorial Africa.


    http://faculty.weber.edu/kmackay/statistics_on_slavery.htm


    Historical Statistics of the U.S. (1970).)

    , @Rich
    "Who's we, Kemosabe" is an old line from a very old joke. It's not yours, been in the public domain since I was just a spry lad watching Jerry Grote catch for the Mets.

    To blame the descendants of poor European farmers, fishermen and tradesmen who immigrated into America, many of whom, if not the majority, came to the US after slavery was abolished, is absurd. Blaming the descendants of the original colonists is ridiculous because the overwhelming majority of them owned no slaves, suffered because the big plantation owners could undersell their products and more than half of their states fought in a war that freed the slaves. Even the descendants of former slaveholders can't be held responsible for the actions of their ancestors.

    If you want to take the blame for the suffering of slaves over 150 years ago, go ahead. Not for me or mine.
    , @Negrolphin Pool
    These slaves had it so bad that, upon being freed, many of them stayed on with their former owners, some going to great lengths to do so. The attitudes of freed slaves towards their previous servitude seem to be mostly of nostalgia and longing. They were certainly less bitter about having lived through forced enslavement than the average Mizzou agitator is about, whatever.
    , @interesting
    "and toiled until they died"

    so not much has changed then.......that pretty much sums up my existence.
  18. @CK
    The largest purchasers of African slaves were the Portuguese sugar plantations in Brazil.
    The last western hemisphere purchasers of African slaves were the Cuban sugar plantations.
    The sellers were always coastal African tribes. They raided inland for food, slaves, women.
    Kept some ate some sold some.
    The logistics managers were the Dutch Jews who were the shipowners and middlemen.

    “The logistics managers were the Dutch Jews who were the shipowners and middlemen.”

    Dutch Jews, English men, Portuguese ship captains, American plantation owners…all part and parcel to the development of slavery in the New World.

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    From 1290 until 1657 there were no Jews allowed in England.
    Edward I expelled them and Oliver Cromwell allowed them to return.
    Accepted history is that the first black African slaves in the USA arrived in 1619.
  19. Wow, this paragraph here:
    “Recognizing the phenomenal achievements of your own race is no reason for arrogance…But know of them…”

    Absolute gold!!! Great work Fred, excellent advice!

    I was very happy last night when my daughter called out some foolish girl at her high school for talking nonsense about ‘White privilege’ – made me feel very blessed that she hasn’t drank the Koolaid.

    Peace.

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  20. @Corvinus
    "Who’s we, Kemosabe?"

    Hey, that's MY line, you horse thief. Get your own phrase.

    "Negroes cheerfully enslaved each other and sold their co-Africans to the highest bidder-Arab, Jew, European."

    Negroes and whites, yes.

    "Oh, and Arabs captured and enslaved Europeans."

    So, enslavement is a HUMAN endeavor, right?

    "And, to be blunt, how badly did enslaved Negroes do in the American South?"

    Well, they were taken from their homelands, shackled, put on a ship, sold to the highest bidder, and toiled until they died. All in all, pretty well.

    Well, they [African slaves] were taken from their homelands, shackled, put on a ship, sold to the highest bidder, and toiled until they died. All in all, pretty well.

    Given the slave population increase between 1790 (about 650,000) and 1860 (almost four million), a sextupling of the population in 70 years, they seem to have had plenty of energy for activities other than toiling and dying. But your last statement is right on the money! The life of an African slave in North America probably compared favorably to an industrial worker in Europe or North America during the same period. And it was much better than living in a high disease load subsistence agriculture environment in equitorial Africa.

    http://faculty.weber.edu/kmackay/statistics_on_slavery.htm

    Historical Statistics of the U.S. (1970).)

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    "Given the slave population increase between 1790 (about 650,000) and 1860 (almost four million), a sextupling of the population in 70 years, they seem to have had plenty of energy for activities other than toiling and dying."

    Indeed, forced by their masters to have children to perpetuate the "peculiar institution".

    "But your last statement is right on the money!"

    That was a sarcastic comment on my part. One would think a white man of your intellect would have been able to discern my sardonic tone. Next time I know better.

    "The life of an African slave in North America probably compared favorably to an industrial worker in Europe or North America during the same period."

    Um, no. Industrial workers earned wages and enjoyed fundamental freedoms.

    "And it was much better than living in a high disease load subsistence agriculture environment in equitorial Africa."

    That wasn't the call of Europeans to remove by force a group of people from their homeland who were content to live freely. Now, was their greed due to their nature or their nurture? You know, was it innate for this particular group (Europeans) to destroy societies, or was it learned behavior?
    , @Sergey Krieger
    Actually I remember Lenin saying somewhere that Russian serfs lived, worked and we're treated worse then black slaves in America.
    , @Father O'Hara
    U of C economist Gary Becker did some fancy cipherin' and he calculated that the slaves in the South had a more calorie rich diet than the Irish immigrants.
    Slaves had medical care,homes and clothing.
    Blacks love to imagine the worst of all possible suffering for their ancestors. "They was boiled in oil,"to gain capital today.
    Slavery was bad. Got it. But not as bad as bad can be!
  21. @The Grate Deign
    Jus' Sayin'...

    These are equations for current distribution in a MOSFET transistor. "I" is the universal symbol for direct current. and 'i' is usually used for alternating current. The letters C, B, and E are for the collector, base, and emitter of a transistor. Vsub-T is the thermal voltage that exists at the junction of the p- and n- materials. Something closer to your physics wheelhouse is:

    Vsub-T = kT/q,
     
    where k is Boltzmann's constant (usually in Joules per degree Kelvin), T is the temperature in degrees Kelvin, and q is the electron charge of 1.6E(-19) Coulomb.

    Don't feel ignernt. This is stuff you'd see in a graduate level course in electrical engineering. They are not equations a math or physics major would likely have encountered unless you're a PhD level physicist whose job is to evaluate the electromagnetic field effects inside semiconductors.

    P.S. I'll leave it to you as an exercise to characterize what sort of people Joule, Boltzmann, Lord Kelvin, and Coulomb were.

    Actually, these equations are for a bipolar transistor, not a MOSFET.

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  22. @The Grate Deign
    Jus' Sayin'...

    These are equations for current distribution in a MOSFET transistor. "I" is the universal symbol for direct current. and 'i' is usually used for alternating current. The letters C, B, and E are for the collector, base, and emitter of a transistor. Vsub-T is the thermal voltage that exists at the junction of the p- and n- materials. Something closer to your physics wheelhouse is:

    Vsub-T = kT/q,
     
    where k is Boltzmann's constant (usually in Joules per degree Kelvin), T is the temperature in degrees Kelvin, and q is the electron charge of 1.6E(-19) Coulomb.

    Don't feel ignernt. This is stuff you'd see in a graduate level course in electrical engineering. They are not equations a math or physics major would likely have encountered unless you're a PhD level physicist whose job is to evaluate the electromagnetic field effects inside semiconductors.

    P.S. I'll leave it to you as an exercise to characterize what sort of people Joule, Boltzmann, Lord Kelvin, and Coulomb were.

    Thank you, EE. I knew the “i”‘s were for current and the “V”‘s for voltage, but you saved me from trying to look these equations up.

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    • Replies: @Che Guava
    You shouldn't be thanking 'The Grate Deign'.

    As ringo pointed out in post 21 (and I was about to), the Deign's answer was wrong on the most basic point (what do the equations describe?).

    They also do not describe a distribution, just the ideal currents on each pin.
  23. @Truth
    Federico, you keep moving the goal posts. I thought little Mestizo kids were doing quantum physics in the 3rd grade in Guadalajara?!

    His wife’s quit reading his blogs ??? I dunno, just a theory.

    ;-}

    Another truthful post from Mr. Reed.

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  24. How about your own classes? You are not blind. If you think for yourself, you can see who the smart ones are, and who are those getting a free ride. Usually, a free ride at your expense.

    I don’t follow the bold part. In what way do duller students get a free ride at the expense of their smarter classmates?

    It seems to me that it’s more likely to be the other way around. E.g., if grades are on a curve, the duller students make it easier for the smarter ones to get top marks. And if scholarships are awarded based on merit, the duller students are more likely to be paying full freight, enabling the school to cut the price charged to the smarties it wants to attract.

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    • Replies: @JosephB
    I could see two ways the students in question get "a free ride at your expense:"

    1. There are typically many group projects in college. Not all teammates pull their weight.

    2. There is a bidding war to get certain minorities on campus. So financial aid and scholarships are on offer. Someone has to pay for that.

  25. @Diversity Heretic

    Well, they [African slaves] were taken from their homelands, shackled, put on a ship, sold to the highest bidder, and toiled until they died. All in all, pretty well.
     
    Given the slave population increase between 1790 (about 650,000) and 1860 (almost four million), a sextupling of the population in 70 years, they seem to have had plenty of energy for activities other than toiling and dying. But your last statement is right on the money! The life of an African slave in North America probably compared favorably to an industrial worker in Europe or North America during the same period. And it was much better than living in a high disease load subsistence agriculture environment in equitorial Africa.


    http://faculty.weber.edu/kmackay/statistics_on_slavery.htm


    Historical Statistics of the U.S. (1970).)

    “Given the slave population increase between 1790 (about 650,000) and 1860 (almost four million), a sextupling of the population in 70 years, they seem to have had plenty of energy for activities other than toiling and dying.”

    Indeed, forced by their masters to have children to perpetuate the “peculiar institution”.

    “But your last statement is right on the money!”

    That was a sarcastic comment on my part. One would think a white man of your intellect would have been able to discern my sardonic tone. Next time I know better.

    “The life of an African slave in North America probably compared favorably to an industrial worker in Europe or North America during the same period.”

    Um, no. Industrial workers earned wages and enjoyed fundamental freedoms.

    “And it was much better than living in a high disease load subsistence agriculture environment in equitorial Africa.”

    That wasn’t the call of Europeans to remove by force a group of people from their homeland who were content to live freely. Now, was their greed due to their nature or their nurture? You know, was it innate for this particular group (Europeans) to destroy societies, or was it learned behavior?

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    That approximately 25% of former slaves in the South perished during reconstruction from starvation and disease (conditions they were somewhat protected from under slavery) highlights their inability to function outside that system not to mention the absence of a credible alternative to that system if keeping these people alive was your goal.
    , @Rich
    I'm going to assume it makes you feel virtuous to come out against slavery. I think most Americans and most Europeans are willing to concede that slavery is wrong. I think the Europeans were the first to outlaw it.

    To say that European workers "earned wages and enjoyed fundamental freedoms" is, I guess, technically true. But perhaps you should do a little research and see the conditions under which many of these people lived, and worked. It was no picnic and the subsistence wages they lived on were barely enough to keep their families fed and healthy. They weren't slaves, some were indentured servants, however, and others suffered tremendously in factories and mines. Do you really want to compare which suffering was worse? Is there even a point to that? How about we say both groups suffered, albeit in different circumstances? Enough with this constant guilt-mongering.
    , @Bill

    Indeed, forced by their masters to have children to perpetuate the “peculiar institution”.
     
    Indeed. Who has not marveled at the melanotics' strong, natural orientation to sexual continence.

    “But your last statement is right on the money!”

    That was a sarcastic comment on my part. One would think a white man of your intellect would have been able to discern my sardonic tone.
     

    Beyond parody.
  26. @Corvinus
    "Who’s we, Kemosabe?"

    Hey, that's MY line, you horse thief. Get your own phrase.

    "Negroes cheerfully enslaved each other and sold their co-Africans to the highest bidder-Arab, Jew, European."

    Negroes and whites, yes.

    "Oh, and Arabs captured and enslaved Europeans."

    So, enslavement is a HUMAN endeavor, right?

    "And, to be blunt, how badly did enslaved Negroes do in the American South?"

    Well, they were taken from their homelands, shackled, put on a ship, sold to the highest bidder, and toiled until they died. All in all, pretty well.

    “Who’s we, Kemosabe” is an old line from a very old joke. It’s not yours, been in the public domain since I was just a spry lad watching Jerry Grote catch for the Mets.

    To blame the descendants of poor European farmers, fishermen and tradesmen who immigrated into America, many of whom, if not the majority, came to the US after slavery was abolished, is absurd. Blaming the descendants of the original colonists is ridiculous because the overwhelming majority of them owned no slaves, suffered because the big plantation owners could undersell their products and more than half of their states fought in a war that freed the slaves. Even the descendants of former slaveholders can’t be held responsible for the actions of their ancestors.

    If you want to take the blame for the suffering of slaves over 150 years ago, go ahead. Not for me or mine.

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    "“Who’s we, Kemosabe” is an old line from a very old joke. It’s not yours, been in the public domain since I was just a spry lad watching Jerry Grote catch for the Mets."

    Yes, I am aware of the joke and also Jerry Grote. I was employing sarcasm.

    "To blame the descendants of poor European farmers, fishermen and tradesmen who immigrated into America, many of whom, if not the majority, came to the US after slavery was abolished, is absurd. Blaming the descendants of the original colonists is ridiculous because the overwhelming majority of them owned no slaves, suffered because the big plantation owners could undersell their products and more than half of their states fought in a war that freed the slaves. Even the descendants of former slaveholders can’t be held responsible for the actions of their ancestors."

    Except I wasn't blaming these groups. I was mocking Diversity Heretic because he in essence is justifying the enslavement of blacks.
  27. @Rich
    "Who's we, Kemosabe" is an old line from a very old joke. It's not yours, been in the public domain since I was just a spry lad watching Jerry Grote catch for the Mets.

    To blame the descendants of poor European farmers, fishermen and tradesmen who immigrated into America, many of whom, if not the majority, came to the US after slavery was abolished, is absurd. Blaming the descendants of the original colonists is ridiculous because the overwhelming majority of them owned no slaves, suffered because the big plantation owners could undersell their products and more than half of their states fought in a war that freed the slaves. Even the descendants of former slaveholders can't be held responsible for the actions of their ancestors.

    If you want to take the blame for the suffering of slaves over 150 years ago, go ahead. Not for me or mine.

    ““Who’s we, Kemosabe” is an old line from a very old joke. It’s not yours, been in the public domain since I was just a spry lad watching Jerry Grote catch for the Mets.”

    Yes, I am aware of the joke and also Jerry Grote. I was employing sarcasm.

    “To blame the descendants of poor European farmers, fishermen and tradesmen who immigrated into America, many of whom, if not the majority, came to the US after slavery was abolished, is absurd. Blaming the descendants of the original colonists is ridiculous because the overwhelming majority of them owned no slaves, suffered because the big plantation owners could undersell their products and more than half of their states fought in a war that freed the slaves. Even the descendants of former slaveholders can’t be held responsible for the actions of their ancestors.”

    Except I wasn’t blaming these groups. I was mocking Diversity Heretic because he in essence is justifying the enslavement of blacks.

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    • Replies: @nsa
    Most European countries outlawed the slave trade in the early 1800s: US 1820, Brit Empire 1807, etc. Slavers thereafter were essentially pirates. Adventures of an African Slaver by Captain Theodore Canot is a first hand account of the illegal slave trade by one of its main practitioners. The book includes incredibly exotic prints if you can get past the subject matter and is available free online in pdf format.
    , @Stonehands
    A terrible thing slavery. There is no justifying or rationalizing it.

    And a pox on this world system of " Enlightened Self Interest".

    Greed.

    Through a system of consumption and entertainment the [Neo] slaves would love their servitude. -A.Huxley
  28. @Corvinus
    "“Who’s we, Kemosabe” is an old line from a very old joke. It’s not yours, been in the public domain since I was just a spry lad watching Jerry Grote catch for the Mets."

    Yes, I am aware of the joke and also Jerry Grote. I was employing sarcasm.

    "To blame the descendants of poor European farmers, fishermen and tradesmen who immigrated into America, many of whom, if not the majority, came to the US after slavery was abolished, is absurd. Blaming the descendants of the original colonists is ridiculous because the overwhelming majority of them owned no slaves, suffered because the big plantation owners could undersell their products and more than half of their states fought in a war that freed the slaves. Even the descendants of former slaveholders can’t be held responsible for the actions of their ancestors."

    Except I wasn't blaming these groups. I was mocking Diversity Heretic because he in essence is justifying the enslavement of blacks.

    Most European countries outlawed the slave trade in the early 1800s: US 1820, Brit Empire 1807, etc. Slavers thereafter were essentially pirates. Adventures of an African Slaver by Captain Theodore Canot is a first hand account of the illegal slave trade by one of its main practitioners. The book includes incredibly exotic prints if you can get past the subject matter and is available free online in pdf format.

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  29. @Corvinus
    "Who’s we, Kemosabe?"

    Hey, that's MY line, you horse thief. Get your own phrase.

    "Negroes cheerfully enslaved each other and sold their co-Africans to the highest bidder-Arab, Jew, European."

    Negroes and whites, yes.

    "Oh, and Arabs captured and enslaved Europeans."

    So, enslavement is a HUMAN endeavor, right?

    "And, to be blunt, how badly did enslaved Negroes do in the American South?"

    Well, they were taken from their homelands, shackled, put on a ship, sold to the highest bidder, and toiled until they died. All in all, pretty well.

    These slaves had it so bad that, upon being freed, many of them stayed on with their former owners, some going to great lengths to do so. The attitudes of freed slaves towards their previous servitude seem to be mostly of nostalgia and longing. They were certainly less bitter about having lived through forced enslavement than the average Mizzou agitator is about, whatever.

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    "These slaves had it so bad that, upon being freed, many of them stayed on with their former owners, some going to great lengths to do so."

    [Laughs] you must be a southron. It was common practice for ex-slaves to remain on the plantation after being freed, because there was no other place to go. They remained there out of necessity. Yet, tens of thousands of slaves did leave the South and headed North and West.

    The attitudes of freed slaves towards their previous servitude seem to be mostly of nostalgia and longing. They were certainly less bitter about having lived through forced enslavement than the average Mizzou agitator is about, whatever."

    "The attitudes of freed slaves towards their previous servitude seem to be mostly of nostalgia and longing."

    Among SOME slaves, yes. Because that is the only thing they knew. They assuredly would have been much happier had they been free to live their own life and had their ancestors been left alone.
  30. @Diversity Heretic
    Who's we, Kemosabe? Negroes cheerfully enslaved each other and sold their co-Africans to the highest bidder-Arab, Jew, European. Oh, and Arabs captured and enslaved Europeans. And, to be blunt, how badly did enslaved Negroes do in the American South?
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    • Replies: @Corvinus
    Wally, silly Wally.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1995/09/slavery-and-the-jews/376462/
  31. The life of an African slave in North America probably compared favorably to an industrial worker in Europe or North America during the same period.

    Um, no. Industrial workers earned wages and enjoyed fundamental freedoms.

    They earned tenement-rent wages and burned alive in garment factory fires. That Northern workers enjoyed fundamental freedoms that black slaves lacked is a compelling argument that the latter’s existence was worse than the former’s. But it’s only a compelling argument, not a proof. And finding cases that violate it is turkey shoot. Would a typical house negro on a thousand-slave plantation have dropped his mint julep and hopped on the first train to NY if he were offered his freedom and a graveyard shift at a shirt factory?

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    "Would a typical house negro on a thousand-slave plantation have dropped his mint julep and hopped on the first train to NY if he were offered his freedom and a graveyard shift at a shirt factory?"

    Yes, in a heartbeat, given the immutable facts they would be paid for their work AND that they could come and go as they please, which are two fundamental liberties for ALL human beings. Compelling argument AND proof.

    You're WAY in over your head on this one, Cochise.
  32. @hyperbola
    What/who is the "white race"? Does it include Mexicans (or Mexicans of Spanish origin - remember than the Spanish built the first modern submarine)? Does it include Hindus - whose "race" already discovered mathematics in 1000BC that Europeans would not (re)discover until the Renaissance (1500 AD).


    From jewel-capped teeth to golden bridges – 9,000 years of dentistry
    http://www.ancient-origins.net/human-origins-science/jewel-capped-teeth-golden-bridges-9000-years-dentistry-001427?nopaging=1

    ... An experimental reconstruction of a bow and flint-tipped drill used to bore through molar teeth found at a Neolithic graveyard in Mehrgarh, Pakistan. Photo source.

    The myth of the tooth worm
    The first and most enduring explanation for what causes tooth decay was the tooth worm, as depicted in the ivory sculptures to the left, which was first noted by the Sumerians around 5000 BC. The hypothesis was that tooth decay was the result of a tooth worm boring into and decimating the teeth. This is logical, as the holes created by cavities are somewhat similar to those bored by worms into wood.
    The idea of the tooth worm has been found in the writings of the ancient Greek philosophers and poets, as well as those of the ancient Indian, Japanese, Egyptian, and Chinese cultures. It endured as late as the 1300s, when French surgeon Guy de Chauliac still promoted the belief that worms cause tooth decay.

    Seems like the idea of the tooth worm would have endured longer than the 1300s. Elements like magnesium and calcium were not identified until the 18th or 19th centuries, vitamins C and D in the 20th century.

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  33. I’m gonna assume you and most readers here are old and haven’t been in college for years. I’m in my mid-twenties, and just got out of college a few years ago.

    The issue isn’t comparing whites with other races. The vast, vast majority of SJW thought leaders on campus are themselves white (and not all Jews), with minorities following along. These are the types who engage in ideological extremism, and come up with new concepts and SJW lexicon. Minorities and other victim groups then pick up those memes and adopt them in their rhetoric.

    Campus leftism is not caused by a comparison of white achievement vs others. That’s just one of many symptoms. Deep down, it is actually fueled by a strange resentment of whites towards their own people. A big chunk of it is white girls trashing white boys with neurotic, almost desperate rage, the kind that probably springs from years of personal bitterness and insecurity. This is the group that constantly creates new talking points and ideological weapons (ex: “White fragility”) to socially ostracize white males. Take them out and campus anarchy will be greatly diminished.

    It isn’t your race vs other races, it’s you vs you.

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    fueled by a strange resentment of whites towards their own people.
    ...

    It isn’t your race vs other races, it’s you vs you.
     

    in China under Mao, the Chinese slaughtered tens of millions of Chinese

    in Russia under Stalin, the Russians slaughtered and tortured and gulaged millions upon millions of Russians (and others)

    but that was mostly motivated by a hatred of the privilege of others

    by contrast, the white liberals you speak of are consumed with self-loathing, because they know in their heart of hearts that they are privileged, and did not earn the fruits of their ancestor's and fellow ethnic's struggles that they benefit from. And so they project their self-loathing and self-contempt on to other whites, especially the working class white male, who does and did earn what ever paltry existence they've been able to carve out, under the relentless barrage of liberal/progressive opprobrium and Affirmative Action iniquities they suffer daily.

    So the more white liberal college girls (of both sexes) marinate in the perks of their underserved privileges, the more they'll try to expunge their guilt by heaping scourge upon those that do actually earn their livings- in spite of the liberals attempts to see all working class whites (especially males) ground into the dirt, to assuage the liberals own crushing guilt.

    pampered and privileged and never having had to do a day's work in their pathetic lives, they feel like if they can really put it to coal minors in West Virginia, that their college professors will pat them on their heads and say 'you are good whites'. And it's that feeling of acceptance and status as a good white, in spite of their sniveling arrogance and snide superiority over working class white folks, that fuels their rancid psyches. At least that's what I've found over the years.

    when Fred waxes sentimental about the joys of diversity and Mexican immigration, he's doing the same thing those college girls are doing, only instead of pleasing his liberal college professors, he's trying to please his those around him down there in Mexico, and get praises and pats on the head for being a "good" white man. So you can see just how pervasive and seductive this desire to be "good" in the eyes of others, can be.

    , @Truth



    It isn’t your race vs other races, it’s you vs you.
     
    You hit it Homes. That's the case with black people also. You are a smart young man, I'm proud of you.
    , @joef

    The vast, vast majority of SJW thought leaders on campus are themselves white (and not all Jews), with minorities following along. These are the types who engage in ideological extremism, and come up with new concepts and SJW lexicon. Minorities and other victim groups then pick up those memes and adopt them in their rhetoric.
     
    You offer a valuable insight, but guess what? This SJW crap has been promoted in most secular and public colleges for decades now, it's not a new thing. And I mainly blame these white SJW types for our poor race relations. Unfortunately many African Americans are completely brainwashed by this silly propaganda.

    Our current racial balkanization with African Americans seems to have hit a tipping point, and thus will not improve any time soon. This unresolved conflict coupled with our economic mismanagement, will cause major social destabilization in its wake. We cannot convince African Americans to stop blaming whitey, and there is no indication that they will stop doing that on their own. But until then, there will never be any real peace in this country.

    And there are those of us who are tough enough to refuse to be a victim to African American aggression, while the wimpy SJW cowards enjoy manipulating African Americans to attack their countrymen. [The only good thing about the coming chaos of becoming a potential collapsed state is then we can then eliminate this useless SJW vermin, for the societal damage they caused, without interference; the sjw hate the police, but thats who is really protecting them from the rest of us].

    , @Dwright
    The white internecine war has been going full tilt for a while. Agree it is not about races against each other but using other races as wedge against ones own.
    Not that there isn't true animosity between races.
  34. @Negrolphin Pool
    These slaves had it so bad that, upon being freed, many of them stayed on with their former owners, some going to great lengths to do so. The attitudes of freed slaves towards their previous servitude seem to be mostly of nostalgia and longing. They were certainly less bitter about having lived through forced enslavement than the average Mizzou agitator is about, whatever.

    “These slaves had it so bad that, upon being freed, many of them stayed on with their former owners, some going to great lengths to do so.”

    [Laughs] you must be a southron. It was common practice for ex-slaves to remain on the plantation after being freed, because there was no other place to go. They remained there out of necessity. Yet, tens of thousands of slaves did leave the South and headed North and West.

    The attitudes of freed slaves towards their previous servitude seem to be mostly of nostalgia and longing. They were certainly less bitter about having lived through forced enslavement than the average Mizzou agitator is about, whatever.”

    “The attitudes of freed slaves towards their previous servitude seem to be mostly of nostalgia and longing.”

    Among SOME slaves, yes. Because that is the only thing they knew. They assuredly would have been much happier had they been free to live their own life and had their ancestors been left alone.

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    35 Corvinus > ex-slaves to remain on the plantation after being freed, because there was no other place to go. They remained there out of necessity. Yet, tens of thousands of slaves did leave the South and headed North and West.

    to remain where white folks were arranging things

    As opposed to going back to Africa. How many went back to Africa?
  35. @Wally
    Black researcher Dr. Tony Martin let's us know who the prime sellers & owners of slaves really were, Jews.

    Dr. Tony Martin - The Jewish Role in the African Slave Trade

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut7I75Q_-zA

    JEWS AND THE SLAVE TRADE
    http://wethoughttheywerewhite.weebly.com/jews--the-slave-trade.html

    http://wethoughttheywerewhite.weebly.com/uploads/5/3/4/9/53499197/6585841.jpg?296
    http://wethoughttheywerewhite.weebly.com/uploads/5/3/4/9/53499197/8785931.jpg?277
    http://wethoughttheywerewhite.weebly.com/uploads/5/3/4/9/53499197/3328022_orig.jpg
    http://wethoughttheywerewhite.weebly.com/uploads/5/3/4/9/53499197/892816_orig.jpg
    http://wethoughttheywerewhite.weebly.com/uploads/5/3/4/9/53499197/1507471.jpg?717

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    • Replies: @Wally
    Poor hasbarist Corvinus,

    That empty, debunked article again?

    Jordan does nothing to refute Martin, he merely offers hapless Jew demanded opinion, no empirical data whatsoever. Calling Martin 'antisemitic' is his best shot.
    Leftist Jordan knows who butters his bread.

    http://wethoughttheywerewhite.weebly.com/uploads/5/3/4/9/53499197/1507471.jpg?717

    You lose again, see these jpgs, perhaps these names are just 'good old boys'.

    JEWS AND THE SLAVE TRADE
    http://wethoughttheywerewhite.weebly.com/jews--the-slave-trade.html

    http://wethoughttheywerewhite.weebly.com/uploads/5/3/4/9/53499197/6585841.jpg?296
    http://wethoughttheywerewhite.weebly.com/uploads/5/3/4/9/53499197/8785931.jpg?277
    http://wethoughttheywerewhite.weebly.com/uploads/5/3/4/9/53499197/3328022_orig.jpg
    http://wethoughttheywerewhite.weebly.com/uploads/5/3/4/9/53499197/892816_orig.jpg
    http://wethoughttheywerewhite.weebly.com/uploads/5/3/4/9/53499197/1507471.jpg?717

    , @geokat62
    Corvy, silly Corvy.

    Still referencing that silly article, I see. Even after I demonstrated that the figures quoted by Prof. Martin were indeed factual as they were based on Jewish demographic studies that revealed that 75% of Jewish households owned slaves, compared to 36% of white households, across the 14 slave states in 1830.

  36. @Negrolphin Pool


    The life of an African slave in North America probably compared favorably to an industrial worker in Europe or North America during the same period.
     
    Um, no. Industrial workers earned wages and enjoyed fundamental freedoms.
     
    They earned tenement-rent wages and burned alive in garment factory fires. That Northern workers enjoyed fundamental freedoms that black slaves lacked is a compelling argument that the latter's existence was worse than the former's. But it's only a compelling argument, not a proof. And finding cases that violate it is turkey shoot. Would a typical house negro on a thousand-slave plantation have dropped his mint julep and hopped on the first train to NY if he were offered his freedom and a graveyard shift at a shirt factory?

    “Would a typical house negro on a thousand-slave plantation have dropped his mint julep and hopped on the first train to NY if he were offered his freedom and a graveyard shift at a shirt factory?”

    Yes, in a heartbeat, given the immutable facts they would be paid for their work AND that they could come and go as they please, which are two fundamental liberties for ALL human beings. Compelling argument AND proof.

    You’re WAY in over your head on this one, Cochise.

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    I'm very confident a researcher could easily find cases where 1) the slave or newly ex-slave was granted freedom and 2) they had a credible offer of livelihood elsewhere and 3) declined the offer, opting to remain with their former owners.

    That's an admittedly cop-out response but I don't have time now to look into it further. The link in my earlier post, however, should be suggestive to the impartial reader. But I'll concede you a win because of my unwillingness to follow through.

    The point in question is an important one, though. Your contention that the facts of paid work and freedom to leave at will, however immutable (they weren't) are proof of slavery's absolute inferiority to wage-slavery is naive and should be properly eviscerated.

  37. @Clark Westwood

    How about your own classes? You are not blind. If you think for yourself, you can see who the smart ones are, and who are those getting a free ride. Usually, a free ride at your expense.
     
    I don't follow the bold part. In what way do duller students get a free ride at the expense of their smarter classmates?

    It seems to me that it's more likely to be the other way around. E.g., if grades are on a curve, the duller students make it easier for the smarter ones to get top marks. And if scholarships are awarded based on merit, the duller students are more likely to be paying full freight, enabling the school to cut the price charged to the smarties it wants to attract.

    I could see two ways the students in question get “a free ride at your expense:”

    1. There are typically many group projects in college. Not all teammates pull their weight.

    2. There is a bidding war to get certain minorities on campus. So financial aid and scholarships are on offer. Someone has to pay for that.

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  38. @Anon
    A white man’s stick hut. We began building these things in 1137.

    LOL

    I also suggest to lend an ear to music like (among many examples) Rachmaninov's or Brahms' Concertos.
    White people drum beats.

    If you’re not able to keep up with some kukamunga beat and RHYTHMICALLY swivel your non-existent hips, man you’re just not with it. What’s wrong? Common, man, get up and DANCE!

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  39. @Truth

    all the white man has ever built has been slave ships and chains
     
    Ho-ho-ho.

    See my earlier post.

    See my earlier post.

    Sorry old chap….30 seconds of my life I will have wasted.

    Cheers!

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  40. @hyperbola
    What/who is the "white race"? Does it include Mexicans (or Mexicans of Spanish origin - remember than the Spanish built the first modern submarine)? Does it include Hindus - whose "race" already discovered mathematics in 1000BC that Europeans would not (re)discover until the Renaissance (1500 AD).


    From jewel-capped teeth to golden bridges – 9,000 years of dentistry
    http://www.ancient-origins.net/human-origins-science/jewel-capped-teeth-golden-bridges-9000-years-dentistry-001427?nopaging=1

    ... An experimental reconstruction of a bow and flint-tipped drill used to bore through molar teeth found at a Neolithic graveyard in Mehrgarh, Pakistan. Photo source.

    The myth of the tooth worm
    The first and most enduring explanation for what causes tooth decay was the tooth worm, as depicted in the ivory sculptures to the left, which was first noted by the Sumerians around 5000 BC. The hypothesis was that tooth decay was the result of a tooth worm boring into and decimating the teeth. This is logical, as the holes created by cavities are somewhat similar to those bored by worms into wood.
    The idea of the tooth worm has been found in the writings of the ancient Greek philosophers and poets, as well as those of the ancient Indian, Japanese, Egyptian, and Chinese cultures. It endured as late as the 1300s, when French surgeon Guy de Chauliac still promoted the belief that worms cause tooth decay.

    The Spanish and Hindu are effectively white, i.e. they have a large percentage of Caucasian in their racial makeup. As for tooth decay, read Weston Price.

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    • Replies: @Jim
    The term "white" is somewhat vague. It should probably be replaced by "Europid" viz. European or European descended populations. There are of course population genetic differences at almost any geographical scale but genetic differences between say the Spanish population in Spain and the English population in England are relatively minor.

    The term "Hindu" identifies a religion not a "race" or perhaps better "genetic population cluster". There is a large amount of genetic diversity in the Indian Subcontinent. Most of the populations there though are part of the large super group called "Caucasian". Note though that this latter group is very differentiated and includes many populations that would not be generally considered "white". It is true though that most populations in the Indian Subcontinent are genetically closer to Europeans than to East Asians or Sub-Saharan Africans.

    The Spanish and English are genetically much closer than either is to any Indian subcontinent population.

    The major genetic split in the human race is between Sub-Saharan Africans and the rest. The genetic evidence indicates that a very small group of Homo sapiens left Africa about roughly 100,000 years ago and that they are the ancestors of all the original populations of the world outside Sub-Saharan Africa. After leaving Africa there was significant genetic introgression into the human race from other species such as Neanderthals and Denisovans. Melanesians for example are about 2% Neanderthal and 6% Denisovan. On the other hand Denisovan introgression is virtually zero in Amerindians.

    Putting aside some of the smaller groups such as the people of New Guinea, Australoids, Negritos, Andamanese Islanders etc. the non - Sub-Saharan populations of the world fall into four large subgroups - Caucasian, Amerindian, Northeast Asian and Southeast Asian. The major Caucasian subgroups are Europeans, Middle Eastern-North African and South Asian (ie the populations of the Indian Subcontinent.
  41. @Truth

    Negroes cheerfully enslaved each other and sold their co-Africans to the highest bidder-Arab, Jew, European.
     
    But what if that's all a canard? What if the whole trans-European slave trade is a canard? What if it never happened? You see, here's the thing about white folks, y'all will refurbish and display a 300 year old pencil, but there are NO slave ships, only drawings, 150 years later! A little strange don't you think.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ9ud6bjd4k

    History is a group of lies agreed upon.
    -Napoleon Bonaparte.

    thanks, that is one hilarious video. i doans memma da laz time i agz myseff dese queshions.

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  42. @Jason Liu
    I'm gonna assume you and most readers here are old and haven't been in college for years. I'm in my mid-twenties, and just got out of college a few years ago.

    The issue isn't comparing whites with other races. The vast, vast majority of SJW thought leaders on campus are themselves white (and not all Jews), with minorities following along. These are the types who engage in ideological extremism, and come up with new concepts and SJW lexicon. Minorities and other victim groups then pick up those memes and adopt them in their rhetoric.

    Campus leftism is not caused by a comparison of white achievement vs others. That's just one of many symptoms. Deep down, it is actually fueled by a strange resentment of whites towards their own people. A big chunk of it is white girls trashing white boys with neurotic, almost desperate rage, the kind that probably springs from years of personal bitterness and insecurity. This is the group that constantly creates new talking points and ideological weapons (ex: "White fragility") to socially ostracize white males. Take them out and campus anarchy will be greatly diminished.

    It isn't your race vs other races, it's you vs you.

    fueled by a strange resentment of whites towards their own people.

    It isn’t your race vs other races, it’s you vs you.

    in China under Mao, the Chinese slaughtered tens of millions of Chinese

    in Russia under Stalin, the Russians slaughtered and tortured and gulaged millions upon millions of Russians (and others)

    but that was mostly motivated by a hatred of the privilege of others

    by contrast, the white liberals you speak of are consumed with self-loathing, because they know in their heart of hearts that they are privileged, and did not earn the fruits of their ancestor’s and fellow ethnic’s struggles that they benefit from. And so they project their self-loathing and self-contempt on to other whites, especially the working class white male, who does and did earn what ever paltry existence they’ve been able to carve out, under the relentless barrage of liberal/progressive opprobrium and Affirmative Action iniquities they suffer daily.

    So the more white liberal college girls (of both sexes) marinate in the perks of their underserved privileges, the more they’ll try to expunge their guilt by heaping scourge upon those that do actually earn their livings- in spite of the liberals attempts to see all working class whites (especially males) ground into the dirt, to assuage the liberals own crushing guilt.

    pampered and privileged and never having had to do a day’s work in their pathetic lives, they feel like if they can really put it to coal minors in West Virginia, that their college professors will pat them on their heads and say ‘you are good whites’. And it’s that feeling of acceptance and status as a good white, in spite of their sniveling arrogance and snide superiority over working class white folks, that fuels their rancid psyches. At least that’s what I’ve found over the years.

    when Fred waxes sentimental about the joys of diversity and Mexican immigration, he’s doing the same thing those college girls are doing, only instead of pleasing his liberal college professors, he’s trying to please his those around him down there in Mexico, and get praises and pats on the head for being a “good” white man. So you can see just how pervasive and seductive this desire to be “good” in the eyes of others, can be.

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    when Fred waxes sentimental about the joys of diversity and Mexican immigration,
     
    Fred doesn't do any such thing, and never has. His clearly stated opinion has always been that it was a bad idea for the US to allow mass immigration from Mexico.

    What he does say is that Mexico as a country isn't the Third World sinkhole that Americans imagine it to be, and the people there are mostly good folks. What we here often forget (and Fred could be clearer in stating) is that the illegals streaming over our Southern border aren't a representative sample of Mexican society--they're overwhelmingly from the bottom of the socioeconomic barrel (or from even poorer Central American countries). To judge Mexico by the residents of East LA is like judging the US by the population of inner-city Detroit.
  43. @Jason Liu
    I'm gonna assume you and most readers here are old and haven't been in college for years. I'm in my mid-twenties, and just got out of college a few years ago.

    The issue isn't comparing whites with other races. The vast, vast majority of SJW thought leaders on campus are themselves white (and not all Jews), with minorities following along. These are the types who engage in ideological extremism, and come up with new concepts and SJW lexicon. Minorities and other victim groups then pick up those memes and adopt them in their rhetoric.

    Campus leftism is not caused by a comparison of white achievement vs others. That's just one of many symptoms. Deep down, it is actually fueled by a strange resentment of whites towards their own people. A big chunk of it is white girls trashing white boys with neurotic, almost desperate rage, the kind that probably springs from years of personal bitterness and insecurity. This is the group that constantly creates new talking points and ideological weapons (ex: "White fragility") to socially ostracize white males. Take them out and campus anarchy will be greatly diminished.

    It isn't your race vs other races, it's you vs you.

    It isn’t your race vs other races, it’s you vs you.

    You hit it Homes. That’s the case with black people also. You are a smart young man, I’m proud of you.

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  44. @daniel le mouche
    thanks, that is one hilarious video. i doans memma da laz time i agz myseff dese queshions.

    Typing with your tongue again?

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  45. @daniel le mouche
    The Spanish and Hindu are effectively white, i.e. they have a large percentage of Caucasian in their racial makeup. As for tooth decay, read Weston Price.

    The term “white” is somewhat vague. It should probably be replaced by “Europid” viz. European or European descended populations. There are of course population genetic differences at almost any geographical scale but genetic differences between say the Spanish population in Spain and the English population in England are relatively minor.

    The term “Hindu” identifies a religion not a “race” or perhaps better “genetic population cluster”. There is a large amount of genetic diversity in the Indian Subcontinent. Most of the populations there though are part of the large super group called “Caucasian”. Note though that this latter group is very differentiated and includes many populations that would not be generally considered “white”. It is true though that most populations in the Indian Subcontinent are genetically closer to Europeans than to East Asians or Sub-Saharan Africans.

    The Spanish and English are genetically much closer than either is to any Indian subcontinent population.

    The major genetic split in the human race is between Sub-Saharan Africans and the rest. The genetic evidence indicates that a very small group of Homo sapiens left Africa about roughly 100,000 years ago and that they are the ancestors of all the original populations of the world outside Sub-Saharan Africa. After leaving Africa there was significant genetic introgression into the human race from other species such as Neanderthals and Denisovans. Melanesians for example are about 2% Neanderthal and 6% Denisovan. On the other hand Denisovan introgression is virtually zero in Amerindians.

    Putting aside some of the smaller groups such as the people of New Guinea, Australoids, Negritos, Andamanese Islanders etc. the non – Sub-Saharan populations of the world fall into four large subgroups – Caucasian, Amerindian, Northeast Asian and Southeast Asian. The major Caucasian subgroups are Europeans, Middle Eastern-North African and South Asian (ie the populations of the Indian Subcontinent.

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    Some say the Spanish were a final redoubt for Neanderthals and have a greater than expected genetic component.

    Neanderthals had their own kind of ‘aspirin’
    Dental records from Spanish cave suggest they chewed poplar bark, a source of salicylic acid
    http://elpais.com/elpais/2017/03/09/inenglish/1489058647_672778.html
  46. @CK
    The largest purchasers of African slaves were the Portuguese sugar plantations in Brazil.
    The last western hemisphere purchasers of African slaves were the Cuban sugar plantations.
    The sellers were always coastal African tribes. They raided inland for food, slaves, women.
    Kept some ate some sold some.
    The logistics managers were the Dutch Jews who were the shipowners and middlemen.

    90+% of slave trading was financed/carried out by british, dutch and portuguese jews and based in the colonies of those countries.

    Who Brought the Slaves to America? : Walter White

    https://archive.org/details/WhoBroughtTheSlavesToAmerica_663

    You can still see the vestiges of the slave trade in places like Charleston, SC. The big stone mansions of the jewish slave traders were on the harbor front. The wooden mansions of the “whites”were a bit further inland and the hovels of the blacks were still further inland.

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    • Replies: @Corvinus
    According to Eli Faber, from 1709-1807, there are 934 recorded voyages in which Rhode Island merchants were responsible for procuring 106,000 slaves. Now, Jews arrived in Newport as early as 1658. On the eve of the Revolution, they were estimated to be around thirty families. According to historical records Faber used (e.g. naval office shipping lists, censuses, tax records) that identified merchants and planters as Jewish, there were 347 slave ships sent to Africa by Rhode Island slave traders from 1761-1774, with 21 being funded by Aaron Lopez, a Portuguese Jew. That means 326 voyages were underwritten by non-Jews during this time frame. Of course, Jews played a role in the peddling of human flesh. The extent in this particular case is nominal compared to other groups.
  47. @Jim
    The term "white" is somewhat vague. It should probably be replaced by "Europid" viz. European or European descended populations. There are of course population genetic differences at almost any geographical scale but genetic differences between say the Spanish population in Spain and the English population in England are relatively minor.

    The term "Hindu" identifies a religion not a "race" or perhaps better "genetic population cluster". There is a large amount of genetic diversity in the Indian Subcontinent. Most of the populations there though are part of the large super group called "Caucasian". Note though that this latter group is very differentiated and includes many populations that would not be generally considered "white". It is true though that most populations in the Indian Subcontinent are genetically closer to Europeans than to East Asians or Sub-Saharan Africans.

    The Spanish and English are genetically much closer than either is to any Indian subcontinent population.

    The major genetic split in the human race is between Sub-Saharan Africans and the rest. The genetic evidence indicates that a very small group of Homo sapiens left Africa about roughly 100,000 years ago and that they are the ancestors of all the original populations of the world outside Sub-Saharan Africa. After leaving Africa there was significant genetic introgression into the human race from other species such as Neanderthals and Denisovans. Melanesians for example are about 2% Neanderthal and 6% Denisovan. On the other hand Denisovan introgression is virtually zero in Amerindians.

    Putting aside some of the smaller groups such as the people of New Guinea, Australoids, Negritos, Andamanese Islanders etc. the non - Sub-Saharan populations of the world fall into four large subgroups - Caucasian, Amerindian, Northeast Asian and Southeast Asian. The major Caucasian subgroups are Europeans, Middle Eastern-North African and South Asian (ie the populations of the Indian Subcontinent.

    Some say the Spanish were a final redoubt for Neanderthals and have a greater than expected genetic component.

    Neanderthals had their own kind of ‘aspirin’
    Dental records from Spanish cave suggest they chewed poplar bark, a source of salicylic acid

    http://elpais.com/elpais/2017/03/09/inenglish/1489058647_672778.html

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  48. Becoming conscious of just how many of your professors are Jews could be harmful to your GPA.

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  49. @hyperbola
    90+% of slave trading was financed/carried out by british, dutch and portuguese jews and based in the colonies of those countries.

    Who Brought the Slaves to America? : Walter White
    https://archive.org/details/WhoBroughtTheSlavesToAmerica_663


    You can still see the vestiges of the slave trade in places like Charleston, SC. The big stone mansions of the jewish slave traders were on the harbor front. The wooden mansions of the "whites"were a bit further inland and the hovels of the blacks were still further inland.

    According to Eli Faber, from 1709-1807, there are 934 recorded voyages in which Rhode Island merchants were responsible for procuring 106,000 slaves. Now, Jews arrived in Newport as early as 1658. On the eve of the Revolution, they were estimated to be around thirty families. According to historical records Faber used (e.g. naval office shipping lists, censuses, tax records) that identified merchants and planters as Jewish, there were 347 slave ships sent to Africa by Rhode Island slave traders from 1761-1774, with 21 being funded by Aaron Lopez, a Portuguese Jew. That means 326 voyages were underwritten by non-Jews during this time frame. Of course, Jews played a role in the peddling of human flesh. The extent in this particular case is nominal compared to other groups.

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  50. @Truth
    Typing with your tongue again?

    oh dear, it seems ‘truth’ was serious

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    When I post information I am generally "serious" whether I am "in agreement" or not is another matter.
  51. “When some team pulls the cancer rabbit out of the hat, it will very likely be a team of white people. The second best guess, and an increasingly good bet, is the Chinese.” I would add South Asians (Indians, Pakistanis, etc.)

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  52. @Santoculto

    We began building these things in 1137.
     
    ... we were responsible for black slavery....

    Slavery was pretty universal to the ancient world. Its profitable, so as long as the ancient equivalent of the military-industrial complex is constantly producing new prisoners.

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  53. I am very disappointed that that you stoop to use a cathedral for some kind of proof of white man’s superior accomplishment. I spend a great deal of time in Europe sitting outside those ridiculous structures trying to fathom how man could have been so enslaved physically and mentally to work for sometime centuries building those oppressive structures. Sure they are impressive,and are meant to be,but have you ever considered that the money and effort constructing those structure could have been much better spent? Say on education,which the church was dead sent against. They depress the shit out of me,but so do government buildings and museums which are not in any way creative,but rather plunder.
    Today we are burdened with societies’ most renowned accomplishments being the military. What a great leap forward we have had. Don Young

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    Curmodgeons disunite.
    , @Pericles

    Sure they are impressive,and are meant to be,but have you ever considered that the money and effort constructing those structure could have been much better spent?

     

    I stubbed ma toe wi no bambalance, and whitey's on the moon, yo.
    , @Pericles

    Say on education,which the church was dead sent against.

     

    Sure, ace. I hear the church hated arts, music and science too. My soixante huitard teach told me, lecturing in some hopelessly old building, and he always right.
  54. I don’t ever recall getting rewarded for another’s accomplishments, simply because I share a similar skin color with them. Nor do I ever recall agreeing with another person for that reason.
    I have never been able to understand blaming an entire race for the mistakes or ill-intent of a few.
    Same thing goes for taking pride in my race. Pride is something to be taken in something you had contributed to with hard work, ideas or something of inherent value. Taking pride in one’s race is just as ridiculous and needlessly divisive as blaming an entire race for the same arbitrary trait.
    Culture is one thing, but it is not the same as skin color or race. There are a myriad of varying attributes that make up each individual and their motives/reasons for doing, thinking, acting the way they do.

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    Man, that was a damn good post. Let me guess, you're a young guy, probably under 30?

    I read what young guys write online, and I actually, sometimes have optimism about the future.
    , @MarkinLA
    I have never been able to understand blaming an entire race for the mistakes or ill-intent of a few.
    Same thing goes for taking pride in my race. Pride is something to be taken in something you had contributed to with hard work, ideas or something of inherent value. Taking pride in one’s race is just as ridiculous and needlessly divisive as blaming an entire race for the same arbitrary trait.


    It isn't blaming it is recognizing the differences and how it might affect you negatively. It isn't taking pride it is refuting the stupidity of the blame whitey crowd.
    , @daniel le mouche
    'Taking pride in one’s race is just as ridiculous and needlessly divisive...'

    Forget it. All people do it. But with internationalism being what it is today, many are deluded into thinking they shouldn't feel anything at all that has anything to do with race. Was Obama black??? Shit, I hadn't noticed.
    There is extremely strong racial feeling, right or wrong, amongst nations from England to Korea. That will never change, period. And once again, lets not forget those loving Jews, that love Muslims and Europeans so much that they won't rest till they (the Muslims) all have snug homes in the United States, Canada, Australia and every country in Europe.
    Your feelings, I hate to say (and I've spent most of my life with the same ones, believe it or not), are the feelings of a dupe.

    , @Talha
    Agree with Truth here - good post. Nobody decides which womb bears them. If a person is born into a people who are doing well and have good qualities; the spiritually daft thing to do is be arrogant about it, the proper conduct is to be thankful for one's blessings.

    Peace.
  55. @daniel le mouche
    oh dear, it seems 'truth' was serious

    When I post information I am generally “serious” whether I am “in agreement” or not is another matter.

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  56. Unfortunately most of the naïve unproductive millennials do not understand afro american hostility, and instead want to pretend they are with it by pandering to afro cultural dysfunctions. Their only knowledge of afros are what they are told through MSM/academia. Millennial Whites make perfect victims, immersed in the learned helplessness of white guilt, lacking in enough self respect to refute the white privilege nonsense, let alone standing against afro aggressions. And they repeat the same mantra of the progressives: if you are unwilling to be a victim to afro aggressions then you must be racist.

    Legitimate Blacks are not respected by afros, or millennial Whites, because of New Left disparagements regarding ‘going white’. Thus, because of leftist interference, there are not any widely accepted role models of productive Blacks for afros to emulate, or millennials’ to admire.

    As most urban dwellers, who reside adjacent to afro ghettos, understand that because of political incitements that created afro animosities, there is a very thin veneer of civilization that exists in cities. The racial balkanization, along with the future potential of chronic economic decline, will have dire consequences for us all.

    When government can no longer provide the ever increasing entitlements to appease afro animosities, the result will be that the afro hatred toward whites will become completely unmanageable, and then the real destabilizing violence will begin. Suburban areas will be vulnerable to afro incursions involving routine home invasions, while our political masters look the other way. Many misguided libs (failing to challenge the New Left ideology), who helped to promote this make believe, will only realize too late about the nature of the racial monster they helped to create.

    Political reactions have led to the growth of utopian political ideologies like anarcho capitalism and communism (systems that historically never worked beyond Dumbar’s number). Like most people who like to pontificate from afar, they never had to deal with the problem directly. While these anarchos play with fantasies regarding urban policing oppressing afros, the rest of us have to deal with the real consequences of afro violence. However the ‘know it all attitudes’ of these reactionaries will just lead to further fractionalization of the commitment needed to correct this nation’s failing racial/economic condition.

    If nothing changes our economic direction, we will see the same levels of scarcity, & govt service shutdowns (sanitation, firefighting, military bases, road maintenance, water supply, mail delivery, sewage treatment, etc), as other failed states, but with the added burden of leftist encouraged racial conflicts with afros. How long will this decline take? Who knows?

    Does it have to be this way? No, but there will not likely be a national consensus to fix the problem properly. The best that progressives can come up with are national dialogues on race the does nothing more than blame whitey for everything (yeah, that produced real good results over the last 50 years!). But when this finally does fall apart, over a very long process, then the biggest victims will be the millennials (of all races) who will unwittingly inherit this mess. And for it they should thank a progressive.

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    but no mention of who's behind the curtain, pulling the strings? of the deliberate, systematic destruction of america in 40 to 50 years, ongoing? there were many blacks that showed promise back in the 50s and early 60s, when they had functioning communities. the destruction of these communities coincides with what is perhaps the final destruction of the catholic church (after the devastating initial blows beginning exactly 500 years ago). in 1963 there was a strong church (with a great catholic president, the only one ever, whose first invitee to the white house was an african leader, to get an idea of the hopefulness felt between the races back then by many), and strong black communities and leadership. now we have black and white trash, hatred and destitution all around, which will get far worse. coupled with phony endless terrorist attacks aimed at both disarming americans and keeping war support for israel running at full steam. a beautiful thing, geopolitics today. now, who is the most right, e michael jones (the jews), or lyndon larouche (the english)?
  57. @Hive-mind
    I don't ever recall getting rewarded for another's accomplishments, simply because I share a similar skin color with them. Nor do I ever recall agreeing with another person for that reason.
    I have never been able to understand blaming an entire race for the mistakes or ill-intent of a few.
    Same thing goes for taking pride in my race. Pride is something to be taken in something you had contributed to with hard work, ideas or something of inherent value. Taking pride in one's race is just as ridiculous and needlessly divisive as blaming an entire race for the same arbitrary trait.
    Culture is one thing, but it is not the same as skin color or race. There are a myriad of varying attributes that make up each individual and their motives/reasons for doing, thinking, acting the way they do.

    Man, that was a damn good post. Let me guess, you’re a young guy, probably under 30?

    I read what young guys write online, and I actually, sometimes have optimism about the future.

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    @Truth-

    Thank you for the compliment.
    No, I'm a bit older than 30, but I will take that as a compliment as well.
    I'm all for optimism, with a healthy dose of realism to keep a proper balance.
  58. @Truth
    Man, that was a damn good post. Let me guess, you're a young guy, probably under 30?

    I read what young guys write online, and I actually, sometimes have optimism about the future.

    -

    Thank you for the compliment.
    No, I’m a bit older than 30, but I will take that as a compliment as well.
    I’m all for optimism, with a healthy dose of realism to keep a proper balance.

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  59. @Hive-mind
    I don't ever recall getting rewarded for another's accomplishments, simply because I share a similar skin color with them. Nor do I ever recall agreeing with another person for that reason.
    I have never been able to understand blaming an entire race for the mistakes or ill-intent of a few.
    Same thing goes for taking pride in my race. Pride is something to be taken in something you had contributed to with hard work, ideas or something of inherent value. Taking pride in one's race is just as ridiculous and needlessly divisive as blaming an entire race for the same arbitrary trait.
    Culture is one thing, but it is not the same as skin color or race. There are a myriad of varying attributes that make up each individual and their motives/reasons for doing, thinking, acting the way they do.

    I have never been able to understand blaming an entire race for the mistakes or ill-intent of a few.
    Same thing goes for taking pride in my race. Pride is something to be taken in something you had contributed to with hard work, ideas or something of inherent value. Taking pride in one’s race is just as ridiculous and needlessly divisive as blaming an entire race for the same arbitrary trait.

    It isn’t blaming it is recognizing the differences and how it might affect you negatively. It isn’t taking pride it is refuting the stupidity of the blame whitey crowd.

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  60. @Rurik

    fueled by a strange resentment of whites towards their own people.
    ...

    It isn’t your race vs other races, it’s you vs you.
     

    in China under Mao, the Chinese slaughtered tens of millions of Chinese

    in Russia under Stalin, the Russians slaughtered and tortured and gulaged millions upon millions of Russians (and others)

    but that was mostly motivated by a hatred of the privilege of others

    by contrast, the white liberals you speak of are consumed with self-loathing, because they know in their heart of hearts that they are privileged, and did not earn the fruits of their ancestor's and fellow ethnic's struggles that they benefit from. And so they project their self-loathing and self-contempt on to other whites, especially the working class white male, who does and did earn what ever paltry existence they've been able to carve out, under the relentless barrage of liberal/progressive opprobrium and Affirmative Action iniquities they suffer daily.

    So the more white liberal college girls (of both sexes) marinate in the perks of their underserved privileges, the more they'll try to expunge their guilt by heaping scourge upon those that do actually earn their livings- in spite of the liberals attempts to see all working class whites (especially males) ground into the dirt, to assuage the liberals own crushing guilt.

    pampered and privileged and never having had to do a day's work in their pathetic lives, they feel like if they can really put it to coal minors in West Virginia, that their college professors will pat them on their heads and say 'you are good whites'. And it's that feeling of acceptance and status as a good white, in spite of their sniveling arrogance and snide superiority over working class white folks, that fuels their rancid psyches. At least that's what I've found over the years.

    when Fred waxes sentimental about the joys of diversity and Mexican immigration, he's doing the same thing those college girls are doing, only instead of pleasing his liberal college professors, he's trying to please his those around him down there in Mexico, and get praises and pats on the head for being a "good" white man. So you can see just how pervasive and seductive this desire to be "good" in the eyes of others, can be.

    when Fred waxes sentimental about the joys of diversity and Mexican immigration,

    Fred doesn’t do any such thing, and never has. His clearly stated opinion has always been that it was a bad idea for the US to allow mass immigration from Mexico.

    What he does say is that Mexico as a country isn’t the Third World sinkhole that Americans imagine it to be, and the people there are mostly good folks. What we here often forget (and Fred could be clearer in stating) is that the illegals streaming over our Southern border aren’t a representative sample of Mexican society–they’re overwhelmingly from the bottom of the socioeconomic barrel (or from even poorer Central American countries). To judge Mexico by the residents of East LA is like judging the US by the population of inner-city Detroit.

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    I generally agree about 'the other Mexicans'. I've traveled Mexico plenty.

    However, your pointing out the status of those that enter illegally simply highlights the need to prevent them from entering.

    Thanks for mentioning the obvious.

    U.S. Illegal Immigration Plunges on Trump Crackdown
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/04/06/u-s-illegal-immigration-plunges-trump-crackdown/

    , @Njguy73
    Mexicans are good people. It's the Mexican government that sucks sh*t.
    , @Rurik


    when Fred waxes sentimental about the joys of diversity and Mexican immigration,
     
    Fred doesn’t do any such thing, and never has. His clearly stated opinion has always been that it was a bad idea for the US to allow mass immigration from Mexico.
     
    well then let's take a lookey...

    Fred quote snippets:

    The embittered anti-immigration people, readers of sites like Vdare, would not care. Screw the vile brown scum, rapists and welfare parasites, murderers, drug peddlers, low-IQ nasty unevolved human flatworms. The bastards came illegally, so to hell with them.

    Too many illegals have been in the country for five, ten, fifteen years, speak English, have employers who value them, have children who are citizens and sometimes do not speak Spanish.

    The Hispanic genii is out of the bottle. It is a done deal. Trump can’t do much about it. Neither can anyone else.


    Much of the hostility, though expressed in practical terms of lost jobs and so on, is in fact racial, and therefor incurable. Many of the white nationalists exhibit an almost effeminate squeamishness at the thought of their precious bodily essences being polluted by oozing dark sludge.

    They do not yell “Pancho-hu akbar” and stab people


    here I might point out to Fred and others that MS13 are not cub scouts

    http://dailycaller.com/2017/04/03/uncle-ms-13-gangsters-mutilated-va-teenagers-body-in-grisly-murder/

    What the white nationalists can do, perhaps, is to alienate white from brown and split the country

    http://fredoneverything.org/what-to-do-with-latinos-get-used-to-them/

    You see I get to this point and become so exacerbated by Fred's craven pandering, that I see no point in going further. This talk of "white nationalists' is intended in imply that any sane white people anywhere who watch with alarm as their communities are overrun and transformed into something they don't even recognize, and that's become hostile to them, because of their race (Ever heard of La Raza Fred?) are nothing less than Nazis hell bent on enslaving the planet.

    The truth is that it's white people who are the least racist of all ethnicities, and it's because of that innate forbearance that the non-white races (with their Jewish leadership) are overrunning and driving out white folk from LA to Miami to Sweden and France. - To the detriment of the white people who used to live there and call it home. And if any complain, then there's the all too predictable hacks for the regime calling the Germans and Swedes and French and N. Americans all "white nationalists" = Nazis - if we object.

    It's transparent and repulsive and shameless.

    Clue to Fred: even white people are entitled to persevere and pass down a place for white children to grow up and do the same, as white people in places dedicated to the preservation of our culture and traditions and yes, our very DNA - what you refer to mockingly as our "precious bodily essences". We don't want to become a blended mixture into a brown, identity-less slave race for the Zionists to farm and use as cannon fodder in their Eternal Wars, OK?

    For the record I like Mexicans and have been to Mexico and there are a lots of nice people there. But there's also barrios full of sewage running through the 'streets' and corruption as a way of life. There's violence like most Americans can't even comprehend,

    >>warning<<

    https://nclinksandthinks.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/dismembered.jpg

    and a culture that is different, in some ways better, and it some ways not, but different, and decidedly Latino. The over-the- top machismo for instance.

    Anyways, it's great when it's in Mexico, and you can go and visit or even stay if you want to accommodate yourself to that lifestyle. But importing all these cultures and millions of immigrants from every possible non-white backwater, from the barrios of Mexico to the hardcore Islamics of the Middle East and Africa, to the Caribbeans and everyone else, is all a transparent genocidal campaign by Zionists (and their useful idiots and armies of immigrants) to destroy all white nation's sense of identity and culture and traditions all the way down to their DNA, and impose upon them a multicultural cesspool of diversity and homocentric alienation. They hate our fucking guts, is the bottom line. And will never relent until they have their boot firmly on our necks. And Fred simply acts as their hack from time to time, so that he too can get invited to those DC cocktail parties.

    at least that's how I see it ;)
  61. @Jason Liu
    I'm gonna assume you and most readers here are old and haven't been in college for years. I'm in my mid-twenties, and just got out of college a few years ago.

    The issue isn't comparing whites with other races. The vast, vast majority of SJW thought leaders on campus are themselves white (and not all Jews), with minorities following along. These are the types who engage in ideological extremism, and come up with new concepts and SJW lexicon. Minorities and other victim groups then pick up those memes and adopt them in their rhetoric.

    Campus leftism is not caused by a comparison of white achievement vs others. That's just one of many symptoms. Deep down, it is actually fueled by a strange resentment of whites towards their own people. A big chunk of it is white girls trashing white boys with neurotic, almost desperate rage, the kind that probably springs from years of personal bitterness and insecurity. This is the group that constantly creates new talking points and ideological weapons (ex: "White fragility") to socially ostracize white males. Take them out and campus anarchy will be greatly diminished.

    It isn't your race vs other races, it's you vs you.

    The vast, vast majority of SJW thought leaders on campus are themselves white (and not all Jews), with minorities following along. These are the types who engage in ideological extremism, and come up with new concepts and SJW lexicon. Minorities and other victim groups then pick up those memes and adopt them in their rhetoric.

    You offer a valuable insight, but guess what? This SJW crap has been promoted in most secular and public colleges for decades now, it’s not a new thing. And I mainly blame these white SJW types for our poor race relations. Unfortunately many African Americans are completely brainwashed by this silly propaganda.

    Our current racial balkanization with African Americans seems to have hit a tipping point, and thus will not improve any time soon. This unresolved conflict coupled with our economic mismanagement, will cause major social destabilization in its wake. We cannot convince African Americans to stop blaming whitey, and there is no indication that they will stop doing that on their own. But until then, there will never be any real peace in this country.

    And there are those of us who are tough enough to refuse to be a victim to African American aggression, while the wimpy SJW cowards enjoy manipulating African Americans to attack their countrymen. [The only good thing about the coming chaos of becoming a potential collapsed state is then we can then eliminate this useless SJW vermin, for the societal damage they caused, without interference; the sjw hate the police, but thats who is really protecting them from the rest of us].

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    Our current racial balkanization with African Americans seems to have hit a tipping point, and thus will not improve any time soon. This unresolved conflict coupled with our economic mismanagement, will cause major social destabilization in its wake. We cannot convince African Americans to stop blaming whitey, and there is no indication that they will stop doing that on their own. But until then, there will never be any real peace in this country.
     
    From the looks of your post, we can't stop whitey from blaming African-Americans either.
  62. http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/04/14/african-migrants-brutally-rape-swedish-teen-leave-male-friend-brain-damage/

    Adventures in Jungle Fever.

    It seems White Guilt isn’t as dangerous as White Guilty Pleasure.

    Because white women are addicted to black dongs, they get hurt and even a white boy ends up a cracked skull.

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    'Because white women are addicted to black dongs'

    Yes. Someone this week, I can't remember who or which on which article, made a long comment about Woman's destruction wreaked on entire nations. I thought it rang completely true.
    Has anyone met a single (any) white woman, anywhere, from any country--let's say she has to be under 40--who can't stand rap, hip hop, funk, or for that matter Madonna and other 'pop stars'? Who has not been brutally fucked by at least three afros?
    For this reason I can truly appreciate Islam, who keep women covered when not in the home. Shameful, destructive Western Woman!

  63. @Corvinus
    "These slaves had it so bad that, upon being freed, many of them stayed on with their former owners, some going to great lengths to do so."

    [Laughs] you must be a southron. It was common practice for ex-slaves to remain on the plantation after being freed, because there was no other place to go. They remained there out of necessity. Yet, tens of thousands of slaves did leave the South and headed North and West.

    The attitudes of freed slaves towards their previous servitude seem to be mostly of nostalgia and longing. They were certainly less bitter about having lived through forced enslavement than the average Mizzou agitator is about, whatever."

    "The attitudes of freed slaves towards their previous servitude seem to be mostly of nostalgia and longing."

    Among SOME slaves, yes. Because that is the only thing they knew. They assuredly would have been much happier had they been free to live their own life and had their ancestors been left alone.

    35 Corvinus > ex-slaves to remain on the plantation after being freed, because there was no other place to go. They remained there out of necessity. Yet, tens of thousands of slaves did leave the South and headed North and West.

    to remain where white folks were arranging things

    As opposed to going back to Africa. How many went back to Africa?

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  64. @Truth

    Negroes cheerfully enslaved each other and sold their co-Africans to the highest bidder-Arab, Jew, European.
     
    But what if that's all a canard? What if the whole trans-European slave trade is a canard? What if it never happened? You see, here's the thing about white folks, y'all will refurbish and display a 300 year old pencil, but there are NO slave ships, only drawings, 150 years later! A little strange don't you think.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ9ud6bjd4k

    History is a group of lies agreed upon.
    -Napoleon Bonaparte.

    For years Afro Americans have been telling themselves the Pharaohs were sub Saharan. A recent study of Pharaoh mummy DNA shows the Pharaohs had even less sub Saharan DNA than present day Egyptians, leading to conclusion that presence of subsaharans in Egypt increased with slave trade but ancient presence of subsaharans in Egypt was negligible.

    Not that this dose of reality will change what the Afro studies hucksters teach one iota.

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    Let me just give you a little hint that makes this sort of discourse difficult; PRACTICALLY EVERYTHING that you read from the mainstream media, science, history, etc. is pure fiction. When I say pure fiction, I mean it is all made up by a cabal that coordinates information in order to fool you, then they mock you with movies like the matrix, in which they tell you that everything is pure fiction.

    Simple test, the next time you are at a calm-placid lake, ask yourself if you truly believe that we are hurtling to space at 70,000 miles an hour, or rotating at 600 miles an hour.
  65. @Corvinus
    "Given the slave population increase between 1790 (about 650,000) and 1860 (almost four million), a sextupling of the population in 70 years, they seem to have had plenty of energy for activities other than toiling and dying."

    Indeed, forced by their masters to have children to perpetuate the "peculiar institution".

    "But your last statement is right on the money!"

    That was a sarcastic comment on my part. One would think a white man of your intellect would have been able to discern my sardonic tone. Next time I know better.

    "The life of an African slave in North America probably compared favorably to an industrial worker in Europe or North America during the same period."

    Um, no. Industrial workers earned wages and enjoyed fundamental freedoms.

    "And it was much better than living in a high disease load subsistence agriculture environment in equitorial Africa."

    That wasn't the call of Europeans to remove by force a group of people from their homeland who were content to live freely. Now, was their greed due to their nature or their nurture? You know, was it innate for this particular group (Europeans) to destroy societies, or was it learned behavior?

    That approximately 25% of former slaves in the South perished during reconstruction from starvation and disease (conditions they were somewhat protected from under slavery) highlights their inability to function outside that system not to mention the absence of a credible alternative to that system if keeping these people alive was your goal.

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    "That approximately 25% of former slaves in the South perished during reconstruction from starvation and disease (conditions they were somewhat protected from under slavery) highlights their inability to function outside that system..."

    A system that made it a crime to educate slaves, a system that was replaced by sharecropping (i.e. wage slavery) and Jim Crow laws.

    "not to mention the absence of a credible alternative to that system if keeping these people alive was your goal."

    The credible alternative was for greedy Europeans NOT to have succumbed to their in-born tendencies to destroy and leave them blacks alone!
  66. @Corvinus
    Wally, silly Wally.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1995/09/slavery-and-the-jews/376462/

    Poor hasbarist Corvinus,

    That empty, debunked article again?

    Jordan does nothing to refute Martin, he merely offers hapless Jew demanded opinion, no empirical data whatsoever. Calling Martin ‘antisemitic’ is his best shot.
    Leftist Jordan knows who butters his bread.

    http://wethoughttheywerewhite.weebly.com/uploads/5/3/4/9/53499197/1507471.jpg?717

    You lose again, see these jpgs, perhaps these names are just ‘good old boys’.

    JEWS AND THE SLAVE TRADE

    http://wethoughttheywerewhite.weebly.com/jews–the-slave-trade.html

    http://wethoughttheywerewhite.weebly.com/uploads/5/3/4/9/53499197/6585841.jpg?296

    http://wethoughttheywerewhite.weebly.com/uploads/5/3/4/9/53499197/8785931.jpg?277

    http://wethoughttheywerewhite.weebly.com/uploads/5/3/4/9/53499197/3328022_orig.jpg

    http://wethoughttheywerewhite.weebly.com/uploads/5/3/4/9/53499197/892816_orig.jpg

    http://wethoughttheywerewhite.weebly.com/uploads/5/3/4/9/53499197/1507471.jpg?717

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    "That empty, debunked article again? Jordan does nothing to refute Martin."

    You're going to have to use that pointy head of yours to prove how and why Jordan's position on Martin has been debunked. That will prove difficult given you are neck deep in confirmation bias.
  67. @hyperbola
    What/who is the "white race"? Does it include Mexicans (or Mexicans of Spanish origin - remember than the Spanish built the first modern submarine)? Does it include Hindus - whose "race" already discovered mathematics in 1000BC that Europeans would not (re)discover until the Renaissance (1500 AD).


    From jewel-capped teeth to golden bridges – 9,000 years of dentistry
    http://www.ancient-origins.net/human-origins-science/jewel-capped-teeth-golden-bridges-9000-years-dentistry-001427?nopaging=1

    ... An experimental reconstruction of a bow and flint-tipped drill used to bore through molar teeth found at a Neolithic graveyard in Mehrgarh, Pakistan. Photo source.

    The myth of the tooth worm
    The first and most enduring explanation for what causes tooth decay was the tooth worm, as depicted in the ivory sculptures to the left, which was first noted by the Sumerians around 5000 BC. The hypothesis was that tooth decay was the result of a tooth worm boring into and decimating the teeth. This is logical, as the holes created by cavities are somewhat similar to those bored by worms into wood.
    The idea of the tooth worm has been found in the writings of the ancient Greek philosophers and poets, as well as those of the ancient Indian, Japanese, Egyptian, and Chinese cultures. It endured as late as the 1300s, when French surgeon Guy de Chauliac still promoted the belief that worms cause tooth decay.

    Well yes, Spaniards are white.
    How many people are demanding entrance into India?
    How many people are demanding entrance into Pakistan?

    Your occasional little tidbits do nothing but demonstrate the rarity of such things in the non-European, non-E. Asian cultures.

    I’m waiting for the laughable ‘great African empires’ next.

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  68. That looks to me like calculations of the various currents involved in a transistor: I is current,
    I sub b,c,e are current thru the base, collector, emitter as they relate to I sub s (sum of currents?).
    the odd looking B is beta, a measure of the transistors gain. V sub c,b,e are voltage measures.
    Currents can be calculated as a voltage applied to a resistance, you get that sort of 1/R looking formula with parrallel resistances.
    Not sure exactly what they are about, but one must calculate how much current to apply to the base terminal, depending on the transistors gain, to get the desired output current from the collector – there’s different ways to do that depending on what info you have.

    A lot of advanced math involved in electronics – this is not even the hard stuff.

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  69. @Rex Little

    when Fred waxes sentimental about the joys of diversity and Mexican immigration,
     
    Fred doesn't do any such thing, and never has. His clearly stated opinion has always been that it was a bad idea for the US to allow mass immigration from Mexico.

    What he does say is that Mexico as a country isn't the Third World sinkhole that Americans imagine it to be, and the people there are mostly good folks. What we here often forget (and Fred could be clearer in stating) is that the illegals streaming over our Southern border aren't a representative sample of Mexican society--they're overwhelmingly from the bottom of the socioeconomic barrel (or from even poorer Central American countries). To judge Mexico by the residents of East LA is like judging the US by the population of inner-city Detroit.

    I generally agree about ‘the other Mexicans’. I’ve traveled Mexico plenty.

    However, your pointing out the status of those that enter illegally simply highlights the need to prevent them from entering.

    Thanks for mentioning the obvious.

    U.S. Illegal Immigration Plunges on Trump Crackdown

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/04/06/u-s-illegal-immigration-plunges-trump-crackdown/

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  70. A very ignorant article.
    It competely ignores that scientific thought in the west, the christian west, was nonexistant from the beginning of christianity until around 1600.
    In that year the pope burned Giordano Bruno alive for his ideas, on the universe, on the holy trinity.
    At about the same time Calvin in Geneva burned Servetius to death, on green wood, the suffering then lasted longer.
    Servetius crime, he was the discoverer of the blood circulation, was the same as Bruno’s, he could not understand the holy trinity.
    This trinity was and is nonsense, the result of compromise on Cyprus in the third or fourth century.
    Galileo, seen as the first christian experimenter, was luckier, his punishment was just house arrest.
    Galileo had had the audacity to state that the earth was not the center of the universe, a Dutch made telescope, I’m Dutch, made it possible for him to observe the moons of Jupiter.
    The Greeks, already 300 or so years before BCE, had calculated the circumference of the earth at 39.000 kilometres, 1000 wrong, by a simple experiment, comparing the lengths of the shadows of a vertical pole in Greece and Egypt at the same date.
    Columbus’ crew still feared to fall off the flat earth.
    The year 1500 or so was crucial, western domination of the world began, as Churchill said, ‘the higher civilisation has the better weapons’.
    Sailing around South Africa was the beginning of the end of Muslim power, and the beginning of the end of Muslim science, there is a close correlation between science and prosperity.
    Muslim prosperity was based on overland trade, it came to a standstill.
    Who is interested in the why of western superiority I can recommend
    Felipe Fernández-Armesto, ‘Civilisations’, London, 2000.
    Coïncidences.
    True of course is that scientific progress in the west has been spectacular since the christian church was no longer able to stop independent thinking.
    If we should be proud, is a matter that is debatable.
    Western use, misuse, of science is blatantly clear, as show the completely unnessesary atomic bombs on Japan, already in januari 1945 Japan had offered capitulation, through Stalin.

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    • Replies: @daniel le mouche
    I agree the Catholic Church had a narrative, as the power superstructure always seems to. Much science was at odds with that narrative, and was suppressed. But what about now? We have our own narrative from which we can never stray (multiculturalism is a central component, as are phoney news to add to the REALLY big lies like the Holocaust and 911, for two examples), which ostensibly includes all science. But does it? What of all the completely phoney scientific 'evidence' presented by Popular Science magazine as proof of the 'Pancake Theory' and much more 911 nonsense? Scientists said it, we believe it. And how much science is suppressed these days? There have been and without any doubt still are many discoveries that would bring the suffering world happiness, Tesla for one. There is quite possibly the cure for cancer being carefully hidden far from view--many think they have it. (I know nothing about this, but have seen enough from people who seem to to think it very possible.) There are others who question carbon dating (Vine Deloria, the American Indian writer, is one who makes a good case against it; he also has interesting theories on the formation of mountains and the official Bering Strait postulation of 'how the Indians got here'). If carbon dating isn't accurate, all of the latest findings that so many attach importance to (was the first man from Africa, etc.) will be thrown into the deepest shadows of doubt. In short, science is very political.
  71. This article by Fred Reed with just minor changes could have been written in 18 century pointing a finger at Jews instead of non-Whites. You haven’t accomplished nothing. Where is your science, engineering, paintings, architecture? The only object with a moving part you have is a dreidel. Not until after the emancipation in early 19 century when Jews began to assimilate and get acculturated into the Wester culture did they begin to contribute to the Western civilization in areas of science, engineering, art, music and literature. So what is the lesson from it for Fred? You never know what will come. Culture and civilization is not carried by genes but by memes.

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    • Replies: @Ragno

    You haven’t accomplished nothing.
     
    That's "you ain't accomplished nothing".
  72. Whites are good at technology, the foundation stone of consumerism.
    Blacks invented the blues, foundation stone of all modern music. A black man invented passive resistance.
    I learned humanism and non-judgmental empathy from my black wife.
    Different strokes.
    Be nice if we learned from each other.

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    • Replies: @Wally
    The Blues are derived from church music and European folk music.
    The 1-4-5 chord progression goes back much farther than slavery.
    I don't doubt blacks added their touch, but lets be truly honest about it.

    You been watching too much of that hapless shabbos goy, Ken Burns.

    Thanks.

    , @Eonic
    I hope your black wife is more empathetic and non-judgmental than these. they are not unique.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUSE75euZXU
  73. @joef

    The vast, vast majority of SJW thought leaders on campus are themselves white (and not all Jews), with minorities following along. These are the types who engage in ideological extremism, and come up with new concepts and SJW lexicon. Minorities and other victim groups then pick up those memes and adopt them in their rhetoric.
     
    You offer a valuable insight, but guess what? This SJW crap has been promoted in most secular and public colleges for decades now, it's not a new thing. And I mainly blame these white SJW types for our poor race relations. Unfortunately many African Americans are completely brainwashed by this silly propaganda.

    Our current racial balkanization with African Americans seems to have hit a tipping point, and thus will not improve any time soon. This unresolved conflict coupled with our economic mismanagement, will cause major social destabilization in its wake. We cannot convince African Americans to stop blaming whitey, and there is no indication that they will stop doing that on their own. But until then, there will never be any real peace in this country.

    And there are those of us who are tough enough to refuse to be a victim to African American aggression, while the wimpy SJW cowards enjoy manipulating African Americans to attack their countrymen. [The only good thing about the coming chaos of becoming a potential collapsed state is then we can then eliminate this useless SJW vermin, for the societal damage they caused, without interference; the sjw hate the police, but thats who is really protecting them from the rest of us].

    Our current racial balkanization with African Americans seems to have hit a tipping point, and thus will not improve any time soon. This unresolved conflict coupled with our economic mismanagement, will cause major social destabilization in its wake. We cannot convince African Americans to stop blaming whitey, and there is no indication that they will stop doing that on their own. But until then, there will never be any real peace in this country.

    From the looks of your post, we can’t stop whitey from blaming African-Americans either.

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    According to the national crime stats, African Americans are 27 times more likely to attack a white person than vice versa. Whites who are generally wary of African Americans are generally following their own rational self interest. We did not create this mess, nor want it. Its mostly a product of the New Left, SJW, and BLM types, while most African Americans mindlessly follow the political agenda.

    In my case, and others like me, its not about blaming Blacks, it is simply empirically acknowledging what African Americans say and do, and making the proper conclusions towards their current propensity for destruction. Most liberals try to take reality and force it to conform to their own inexperienced opinions. A rational person formulates opinions based on observed reality.

    If African Americans stopped their misbehavior, then whites like me wouldn't have anything negative to say about them; and then we can all move on from this social nightmare created by our political masters. Non liberal Whites react to African American misbehavior, not the other way around (that would put the cart before the horse). The usual retort is that 'Blacks live in poverty, and are subject to discrimination'; Yeah so was every other Catholic ethnic group, Asians, Appalachian Whites, and Jews, but some how they struggled through it.

  74. @Rurik
    "you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen"

    civilization itself was invented in Africa by Africans. The white man simply stole it from the Africans like he stole everything else.

    when Obama said "you didn't build that", he was talking about how all the greatness and wealth and accomplishments of America (and by extension going back to Europe) were all a direct consequence of the effort of slaves who did built that, but are not given any credit for it. Just like the White House itself, it was all created by black slaves and stolen from them and used against them to oppress them, as it's being done today.

    all the white man has ever built has been slave ships and chains, with which he has confiscated the greatness and labor of the black race (when he isn't lynching them), and also civilization's most noble inventors who wrote the very bible; the Jews. Who did invent knowledge itself and whose tribe provided the divine blood of God Himself, only to be crucified by jealous Roman Gentiles.

    So between the black (and perhaps a couple of Semitic Arab) Africans who invented civilization itself- and the Jews who gave us God and Knowledge and Truth, all the white Gentiles have ever done is enslave these heroic peoples who've created everything of value in the world, and put them in chains or gas chambers as the case may be, when ever they've had free reign - so they could steal their respective accomplishments and claim them as their own (as Fred is trying to do here). And it's because of this that these evil white people must Never Again! be allowed to control their own destinies, because as surely as the sun rises in the East, they'll forge chains for all blacks and build ovens for all Jews (and women and homosexuals and Mexicans and all POC and all transvestites and all the good people who have been oppressed and genocided and enslaved by white men from the beginning of time)

    ~ University Professor Rurik ~ the kosher

    this is the mantra that drives the left and all the SJW and all the blacks and Jews and POC, who know darn well it's a crock, but who milk it relentlessly for its infinite flow of perks and largess from the 'guilty'/gullible.

    Can you blame them?

    By impugning guilt, they are laying claim to a magnificent civilization and its wealth and its children. To do with as they please.

    The “Blacks” invented “Civilization?” Seen any pictures of the guys who “invented” it? Seen their hands? Were they dark on top and pink below? These are all assumptions and they are not uncontested, no matter how emphatically they are uttered and repeated.

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  75. “…In his introduction Lach makes the astounding assertion that “knowledge of Asia before 1500 effected no fundamental alterations in Europe’s own artistic, technological, or religious premises.”

    In view of the fact that Europe’s technology and religious premises until 1500 were almost entirely Asiatic in origin, this statement indicates a very serious deficiency based on the author’s almost exclusively literary bias.

    While we cannot judge the extent of this deficiency until we get volume II, the first chapter of the present volume dealing with “Antiquity and the Middle Ages” indicates that this weakness could be very serious.

    In good, old mid-Victorian fashion, Lach starts with a reference to Homer and, on the same first page, begins his subject about 600 B.C.

    This omits the whole Asiatic foundation of European culture including food (fowl, swine, cattle, grain), technology (the plow, arch, wheel, weapons, etc.), and basic culture (writing, alphabet, units of measurement, basic religious and cognitive attitudes) from the archaic period (before 600 B.C.).

    But even more serious is the fact that Lach’s discussion of the medieval period also omits the same kind of Asiatic influences (such as Europe’s basic religious outlook, including the heresies, and much technological innovation which, over the last thousand years, has embraced such items as horseshoes, stirrups, effective harnessing of horses so they could be used for heavy work, windmills, the compass and rudder, fore-and-aft sails, an efficient number system, gunpowder, printing and paper, steel-making, a variety of crops of vital significance to Western agriculture, among them those two indispensable legumes, alfalfa and soybeans, many food products, and much else).

    Lach ignores most of this because be is not concerned, as he says, with the “impact” of Asia on Europe but is really concerned only with Europe’s awareness of Asia (that is why he wants to restrict his attention to published information), and he is concerned with “awareness” because his attention is still anchored in the area where it began, the use of Asia by men like Montesquieu, Leibnitz, or Voltaire as a weapon to criticize European culture during the Enlightenment….”

    http://www.carrollquigley.net/book-reviews/What_the_West_Has_Learned.htm

    “… Even in Parkinson’s day under the great Queen Victoria every school boy knew Ex Oriente Lux.

    Europe’s peoples and languages came from the east as did the very basic attributes of European life: its food (wheat, beef, lamb, swine, fowls), its textiles (wool, linen, cotton, silk), its systems of measures (12 eggs in a dozen, 12 inches in a foot, 12 hours in the day and in the night, 60 minutes in the hour), its basic technology (writing, the wheel, paper, printing type, gun powder, the plow, the number system), and those three major targets of Parkinson’s antipathy, governmental bureaucracy, taxation, and state regulation of economic life.

    Even today, a London economic consultant wears trousers and a jacket slashed in the rear so that the sides will hang straight as he sits on his horse, attire derived from a Turkic cultural predecessor in the central Asian grasslands of two millennia ago…”

    http://www.carrollquigley.net/book-reviews/New_Book_by_C_Northcote_Parkinson.htm

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    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
    This comment then ignores the European, maybe worldwide, stone age civilisations.
    Stonehenge in GB is well known, that structures like this exist even in NW Pakistan, is far less known.
    The technology of these people was astonishing, the Grand Menhir Brisée in Brittany, France, fell in an earth quake, but before stood upright.
    Forgot about the weight, but is was tens of tonnes.
    Barnenez, also in Brittanny, is as impressive as the piramids, and older.
    The British professor Thom is convinced that the stone age people could predict when the moon blocks the sunlight.
    Alas they left nothing written, except maybe the Pict language, still not deciphered.
    Ötzi, found quite recently high in the mountains between Austria and Italy shows also a high level of civilisation, thousands of years BCE.
    The implements he had with him were made of 28 or so different sorts of wood, in all probability he made his bronze axe himself.
    ⦁ Alexander Thom, ‘Megalithic Lunar Observatories’, Oxford, 1971, 1978
    Another quite unknown chapter of human history can be found in
    ⦁ Thorkild Schioler, ‘Roman and Islamic water lifting wheels’, Odense University Press 1973
    and
    ⦁ ‘The archaeology of Africa, Food, Metals and Towns’, ed. Shaw, Sinclair, Andah and Okpoko, London and New York 1993
    Anyone interested in European civilisation at the time when Ceasar wrote his propaganda about the barbarians he conquered I recommend a visit to the museum in Halle, Austria.
    Anyone interested in American civilisations before white man destroyed anything:
    Charles C. Mann, Ancient Americans, Rewriting the History of the New World', 2005, London, ( 1491: New Revelations of the Americas before Columbus, 2005, New York)
    and
    Ronald Wright, 'Stolen Continents, Conquest and Resistance in the Americas', 1992, London
  76. @Truth

    Negroes cheerfully enslaved each other and sold their co-Africans to the highest bidder-Arab, Jew, European.
     
    But what if that's all a canard? What if the whole trans-European slave trade is a canard? What if it never happened? You see, here's the thing about white folks, y'all will refurbish and display a 300 year old pencil, but there are NO slave ships, only drawings, 150 years later! A little strange don't you think.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ9ud6bjd4k

    History is a group of lies agreed upon.
    -Napoleon Bonaparte.

    You have a point. Most of the diagrams and description of slave ships and the conditions of slavery (savage overseers whipping mothers and babies) comes from anti-slavery campaigns. These are the images now used to illustrate the history of slavery. The barbarity of the Middle Passage was not usually loose pack or tight pack, if ever.

    African and European slaves in North Africa did not reproduce at all, except the concubines of the very rich. Male slaves in MENA had life expectancies measured on the fingers of one hand. They needed constant replenishment. Slaves in most of the Caribbean and Latin America did not reproduce enough to replace their numbers. In the US, the slave population did more or less reproduce itself. In the Turkish parts of the Middle East some slaves were well treated, even privileged.

    Exposing over dramatic anti-slavery propaganda still doesn’t make North American slavery right.

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    • Replies: @Truth

    You have a point. Most of the diagrams and description of slave ships and the conditions of slavery (savage overseers whipping mothers and babies) comes from anti-slavery campaigns. These are the images now used to illustrate the history of slavery. The barbarity of the Middle Passage was not usually loose pack or tight pack, if ever.
     
    Well that's an interesting (albeit not entirely original) response to what I wrote; "slavery did happen, but we were really, really nice to them, it was really more like the Boy Scouts. it's just those damn Lib-urr-uhls who make it sound worse than it was!"

    LMAO.

    The ultimate point of the video, and the theory, my friend, is that THE TRANS-ATLANTIC SLAVE TRADE IS A COMPLETE HOAX. Never happened, black people WERE the native Americans (along with some Asiatic types who had no resistance to smallpox). Now I'm not saying that I buy this, because I have not had time to research it, but I think it is strange that there is not has has never been ONE EXAMPLE FOUND OF AN ACTUAL SLAVE SHIP. When you consider that white people will refurbish 300 year old pencil and put it under a temperature controlled glass. This strikes me as strange.

    This is one of only two logical theories as to the slave trade that I have read, and, believe it or not, the other one is probably even stranger.
  77. @Corvinus
    "Would a typical house negro on a thousand-slave plantation have dropped his mint julep and hopped on the first train to NY if he were offered his freedom and a graveyard shift at a shirt factory?"

    Yes, in a heartbeat, given the immutable facts they would be paid for their work AND that they could come and go as they please, which are two fundamental liberties for ALL human beings. Compelling argument AND proof.

    You're WAY in over your head on this one, Cochise.

    I’m very confident a researcher could easily find cases where 1) the slave or newly ex-slave was granted freedom and 2) they had a credible offer of livelihood elsewhere and 3) declined the offer, opting to remain with their former owners.

    That’s an admittedly cop-out response but I don’t have time now to look into it further. The link in my earlier post, however, should be suggestive to the impartial reader. But I’ll concede you a win because of my unwillingness to follow through.

    The point in question is an important one, though. Your contention that the facts of paid work and freedom to leave at will, however immutable (they weren’t) are proof of slavery’s absolute inferiority to wage-slavery is naive and should be properly eviscerated.

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    I’m very confident a researcher could easily find cases where 1) the slave or newly ex-slave was granted freedom and 2) they had a credible offer of livelihood elsewhere and 3) declined the offer
     
    You are correct. The colonization of Liberia was unsuccessful, from the American point of view, because too many American slaves refused the offer of freedom in exchange for relocation to Liberia. Word got out the Africans wanted to kill them and the work of colonization was very hard.
    , @Corvinus
    "I’m very confident a researcher could easily find cases where 1) the slave or newly ex-slave was granted freedom and 2) they had a credible offer of livelihood elsewhere and 3) declined the offer, opting to remain with their former owners."

    Indeed, as I have read the primary sources. The point, however, is that given the choice between 1) being left alone in Africa and living their own life OR 2) being captured and transported against their will to a foreign land, the black man would select 1).

    "The point in question is an important one, though. Your contention that the facts of paid work and freedom to leave at will, however immutable (they weren’t) are proof of slavery’s absolute inferiority to wage-slavery is naive and should be properly eviscerated."

    Spoken like a planation owner. Yes, industrial giants of the North exploited labor. But the fundamental difference between slavery and wage slavery is that the factory worker, despite their foul treatment by their employer, had liberties and the legal recourse to change their condition, compared to their black brethren.
  78. @joef
    Unfortunately most of the naïve unproductive millennials do not understand afro american hostility, and instead want to pretend they are with it by pandering to afro cultural dysfunctions. Their only knowledge of afros are what they are told through MSM/academia. Millennial Whites make perfect victims, immersed in the learned helplessness of white guilt, lacking in enough self respect to refute the white privilege nonsense, let alone standing against afro aggressions. And they repeat the same mantra of the progressives: if you are unwilling to be a victim to afro aggressions then you must be racist.

    Legitimate Blacks are not respected by afros, or millennial Whites, because of New Left disparagements regarding ‘going white’. Thus, because of leftist interference, there are not any widely accepted role models of productive Blacks for afros to emulate, or millennials’ to admire.

    As most urban dwellers, who reside adjacent to afro ghettos, understand that because of political incitements that created afro animosities, there is a very thin veneer of civilization that exists in cities. The racial balkanization, along with the future potential of chronic economic decline, will have dire consequences for us all.

    When government can no longer provide the ever increasing entitlements to appease afro animosities, the result will be that the afro hatred toward whites will become completely unmanageable, and then the real destabilizing violence will begin. Suburban areas will be vulnerable to afro incursions involving routine home invasions, while our political masters look the other way. Many misguided libs (failing to challenge the New Left ideology), who helped to promote this make believe, will only realize too late about the nature of the racial monster they helped to create.

    Political reactions have led to the growth of utopian political ideologies like anarcho capitalism and communism (systems that historically never worked beyond Dumbar’s number). Like most people who like to pontificate from afar, they never had to deal with the problem directly. While these anarchos play with fantasies regarding urban policing oppressing afros, the rest of us have to deal with the real consequences of afro violence. However the ‘know it all attitudes’ of these reactionaries will just lead to further fractionalization of the commitment needed to correct this nation’s failing racial/economic condition.

    If nothing changes our economic direction, we will see the same levels of scarcity, & govt service shutdowns (sanitation, firefighting, military bases, road maintenance, water supply, mail delivery, sewage treatment, etc), as other failed states, but with the added burden of leftist encouraged racial conflicts with afros. How long will this decline take? Who knows?

    Does it have to be this way? No, but there will not likely be a national consensus to fix the problem properly. The best that progressives can come up with are national dialogues on race the does nothing more than blame whitey for everything (yeah, that produced real good results over the last 50 years!). But when this finally does fall apart, over a very long process, then the biggest victims will be the millennials (of all races) who will unwittingly inherit this mess. And for it they should thank a progressive.

    but no mention of who’s behind the curtain, pulling the strings? of the deliberate, systematic destruction of america in 40 to 50 years, ongoing? there were many blacks that showed promise back in the 50s and early 60s, when they had functioning communities. the destruction of these communities coincides with what is perhaps the final destruction of the catholic church (after the devastating initial blows beginning exactly 500 years ago). in 1963 there was a strong church (with a great catholic president, the only one ever, whose first invitee to the white house was an african leader, to get an idea of the hopefulness felt between the races back then by many), and strong black communities and leadership. now we have black and white trash, hatred and destitution all around, which will get far worse. coupled with phony endless terrorist attacks aimed at both disarming americans and keeping war support for israel running at full steam. a beautiful thing, geopolitics today. now, who is the most right, e michael jones (the jews), or lyndon larouche (the english)?

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    If i had to be a little conspiratorial, I would say that our political leaders are using foreign wars as a distraction to our current economic, social & political domestic problems. Due to there destructive domestic policies they are creating a slow agonizing economic decline into eventual failed state like regions within America.

    This is along with the eventual hollowing out of govt services to pay for ever expanding entitlements. That is why there will not be a significant police/national guard presence to counteract the second problem when it hits critical mass: the inability to afford the entitlements and its resultant social unrest.

    They have irresponsibly made the perfect storm of destabilization: racial balkanization with African Americans, instilling hatred and welfare dependency, coupled with slow & steady economic decline. The role of government itself has transformed to a primary function of providing welfare, with every other govt function becoming secondary to that.

    As government (at multiple levels of local/State/Federal) has more & more difficulty extracting the revenue needed to maintain this expanding welfare state, it will start to cannibalize from other govt functions in order to maintain it. Of course there will come a point that it simply cannot sustain the welfare payments to African Americans.

    But before then, there will be military base closures, reduction of police forces (as well as Fire Dept station houses), and closing of prisons, to help pay for the welfare state. There will eventually be a reduction of staff to such low levels, that maintaining daily law & order, let alone responding to massive social unrest, will be nearly impossible.

    And massive social unrest will happen, with those African Americans who principle values are to hate whitey, and collect welfare, after those payments have stopped (or even reduced). If they complain and act violent now when we try to give them everything (unqualified car loans, smartphones/iphones, unearned college grades, etc) then what will happen when it stops.

  79. @Don Young
    I am very disappointed that that you stoop to use a cathedral for some kind of proof of white man's superior accomplishment. I spend a great deal of time in Europe sitting outside those ridiculous structures trying to fathom how man could have been so enslaved physically and mentally to work for sometime centuries building those oppressive structures. Sure they are impressive,and are meant to be,but have you ever considered that the money and effort constructing those structure could have been much better spent? Say on education,which the church was dead sent against. They depress the shit out of me,but so do government buildings and museums which are not in any way creative,but rather plunder.
    Today we are burdened with societies' most renowned accomplishments being the military. What a great leap forward we have had. Don Young

    Curmodgeons disunite.

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  80. @Hive-mind
    I don't ever recall getting rewarded for another's accomplishments, simply because I share a similar skin color with them. Nor do I ever recall agreeing with another person for that reason.
    I have never been able to understand blaming an entire race for the mistakes or ill-intent of a few.
    Same thing goes for taking pride in my race. Pride is something to be taken in something you had contributed to with hard work, ideas or something of inherent value. Taking pride in one's race is just as ridiculous and needlessly divisive as blaming an entire race for the same arbitrary trait.
    Culture is one thing, but it is not the same as skin color or race. There are a myriad of varying attributes that make up each individual and their motives/reasons for doing, thinking, acting the way they do.

    ‘Taking pride in one’s race is just as ridiculous and needlessly divisive…’

    Forget it. All people do it. But with internationalism being what it is today, many are deluded into thinking they shouldn’t feel anything at all that has anything to do with race. Was Obama black??? Shit, I hadn’t noticed.
    There is extremely strong racial feeling, right or wrong, amongst nations from England to Korea. That will never change, period. And once again, lets not forget those loving Jews, that love Muslims and Europeans so much that they won’t rest till they (the Muslims) all have snug homes in the United States, Canada, Australia and every country in Europe.
    Your feelings, I hate to say (and I’ve spent most of my life with the same ones, believe it or not), are the feelings of a dupe.

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  81. @Priss Factor
    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/04/14/african-migrants-brutally-rape-swedish-teen-leave-male-friend-brain-damage/

    Adventures in Jungle Fever.

    It seems White Guilt isn't as dangerous as White Guilty Pleasure.

    Because white women are addicted to black dongs, they get hurt and even a white boy ends up a cracked skull.

    ‘Because white women are addicted to black dongs’

    Yes. Someone this week, I can’t remember who or which on which article, made a long comment about Woman’s destruction wreaked on entire nations. I thought it rang completely true.
    Has anyone met a single (any) white woman, anywhere, from any country–let’s say she has to be under 40–who can’t stand rap, hip hop, funk, or for that matter Madonna and other ‘pop stars’? Who has not been brutally fucked by at least three afros?
    For this reason I can truly appreciate Islam, who keep women covered when not in the home. Shameful, destructive Western Woman!

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    • Replies: @Truth

    Has anyone met a single (any) white woman, anywhere, from any country–let’s say she has to be under 40–who can’t stand rap, hip hop, funk, or for that matter Madonna and other ‘pop stars’? Who has not been brutally fucked by at least three afros?
     
    Hell, I guess the first one must have been pretty damn good.
  82. fred reed
    i have a confession.i am a white man.and a jew.so i am doubly jinxed

    but fred i am a worried white jew man

    my fellow whites in tights are geniuses. and have invented all manner of good shit.hubbly bubbly and cern and all kinds of wonderful things

    but what about all the bad stuff.the plastic in the ocean,the radiation levels in europe the pollution from all the good stuff.it will kill us all.it is killing us right now

    maybe thats what the non whiteys hate the most deeeeeeeeeerp down.how all the great white stuff is destroying the planet

    white man thinks in squares but the black man thinks in circles(no pun intended)

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    • Replies: @daniel le mouche
    'white man thinks in squares but the black man thinks in circles(no pun intended)'

    oh no, you seem to have taken the same african lit class as me so long ago, where the professor pontificated daily on white linear thinking and black 'curvilinear' thinking. it's a phase, one hopes. and here's to a speedy recovery of your common sense!
    i too am a white man, not a jew, and i most certainly don't love squares--rooms, city blocks, straight, ugly streets, etc.
    perhaps a little less generalization is in order?
  83. @jilles dykstra
    A very ignorant article.
    It competely ignores that scientific thought in the west, the christian west, was nonexistant from the beginning of christianity until around 1600.
    In that year the pope burned Giordano Bruno alive for his ideas, on the universe, on the holy trinity.
    At about the same time Calvin in Geneva burned Servetius to death, on green wood, the suffering then lasted longer.
    Servetius crime, he was the discoverer of the blood circulation, was the same as Bruno's, he could not understand the holy trinity.
    This trinity was and is nonsense, the result of compromise on Cyprus in the third or fourth century.
    Galileo, seen as the first christian experimenter, was luckier, his punishment was just house arrest.
    Galileo had had the audacity to state that the earth was not the center of the universe, a Dutch made telescope, I'm Dutch, made it possible for him to observe the moons of Jupiter.
    The Greeks, already 300 or so years before BCE, had calculated the circumference of the earth at 39.000 kilometres, 1000 wrong, by a simple experiment, comparing the lengths of the shadows of a vertical pole in Greece and Egypt at the same date.
    Columbus' crew still feared to fall off the flat earth.
    The year 1500 or so was crucial, western domination of the world began, as Churchill said, 'the higher civilisation has the better weapons'.
    Sailing around South Africa was the beginning of the end of Muslim power, and the beginning of the end of Muslim science, there is a close correlation between science and prosperity.
    Muslim prosperity was based on overland trade, it came to a standstill.
    Who is interested in the why of western superiority I can recommend
    Felipe Fernández-Armesto, ‘Civilisations’, London, 2000.
    Coïncidences.
    True of course is that scientific progress in the west has been spectacular since the christian church was no longer able to stop independent thinking.
    If we should be proud, is a matter that is debatable.
    Western use, misuse, of science is blatantly clear, as show the completely unnessesary atomic bombs on Japan, already in januari 1945 Japan had offered capitulation, through Stalin.

    I agree the Catholic Church had a narrative, as the power superstructure always seems to. Much science was at odds with that narrative, and was suppressed. But what about now? We have our own narrative from which we can never stray (multiculturalism is a central component, as are phoney news to add to the REALLY big lies like the Holocaust and 911, for two examples), which ostensibly includes all science. But does it? What of all the completely phoney scientific ‘evidence’ presented by Popular Science magazine as proof of the ‘Pancake Theory’ and much more 911 nonsense? Scientists said it, we believe it. And how much science is suppressed these days? There have been and without any doubt still are many discoveries that would bring the suffering world happiness, Tesla for one. There is quite possibly the cure for cancer being carefully hidden far from view–many think they have it. (I know nothing about this, but have seen enough from people who seem to to think it very possible.) There are others who question carbon dating (Vine Deloria, the American Indian writer, is one who makes a good case against it; he also has interesting theories on the formation of mountains and the official Bering Strait postulation of ‘how the Indians got here’). If carbon dating isn’t accurate, all of the latest findings that so many attach importance to (was the first man from Africa, etc.) will be thrown into the deepest shadows of doubt. In short, science is very political.

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    You are quite right, we live in an era where truth no longer seems to be important:
    Christopher Lasch, 'The Culture of Narcissism, American Life in an Age of Diminishing Expectations', 1979, 1980, London
    Nevertheless, the pope who was declared infallible around 1870, and the pope who stated that science could not be exercised without the church, maybe then years earlier, have lost their influence.
    , @Weatherman
    I personally find the existence and history of other "scientific paradigms" terrifying. The White Nationalists behave in the exact same way as religious fundamentalists claiming western scientific supremacy as a source of pride and inherent superiority.

    What is so ironic is most Scientific Theories put forward were completely wrong. The European medical establishment only put their weight behind the communicability of disease in the 19th century. Most medicine was highly toxic (Mercury and Arsenic) and the things that did work (novocaine and Opiates) were widely abused to the detriment of European people. A civillization that could conquer the world didn't care to even check if the technology it developed to keep people alive worked. It wasn't as if it was just the poor, Napoleon and Simon Bolivar died of Arsenic poisoning. Lincoln was ingesting dangerous amounts of Mercury as a treatment for depression.

    I admire European rationalism and their scientific advances but they need to not put blind faith in their intelletual establishment. Social Darwinism cost the Europeans far more than it did the African's. It's in the West and East Asia where we see the population declining most rapidly. Yet the Alt Right doesn't find it suspicious that the groups who most advanced eugenics and population control are still in power in the very places where the population is collapsing?

    If you want to talk politics it almost appears the western medical establishment were conspiring against their own people. No cure for cancer over the horizon yet planned parenthood is sacrosant?

    The fact that things like aurevedic and confucian medical systems exist and have been proven both practically and theoretically work points to an interesting scenario were Europeans deliberately used their own scientific paradigm to mislead others. Both anti-colonial thinkers and subversives in the West have claimed the political establishment have long used what was pseudo-science to oppress anyone they could.

    If the white race wants to survive the next century they would do well to consider that their own scientific advances will be used to destroy them faster than any Social justice warriors could dream of............
  84. @Bankotsu
    "...In his introduction Lach makes the astounding assertion that “knowledge of Asia before 1500 effected no fundamental alterations in Europe's own artistic, technological, or religious premises.”

    In view of the fact that Europe's technology and religious premises until 1500 were almost entirely Asiatic in origin, this statement indicates a very serious deficiency based on the author's almost exclusively literary bias.

    While we cannot judge the extent of this deficiency until we get volume II, the first chapter of the present volume dealing with "Antiquity and the Middle Ages" indicates that this weakness could be very serious.

    In good, old mid-Victorian fashion, Lach starts with a reference to Homer and, on the same first page, begins his subject about 600 B.C.

    This omits the whole Asiatic foundation of European culture including food (fowl, swine, cattle, grain), technology (the plow, arch, wheel, weapons, etc.), and basic culture (writing, alphabet, units of measurement, basic religious and cognitive attitudes) from the archaic period (before 600 B.C.).

    But even more serious is the fact that Lach's discussion of the medieval period also omits the same kind of Asiatic influences (such as Europe's basic religious outlook, including the heresies, and much technological innovation which, over the last thousand years, has embraced such items as horseshoes, stirrups, effective harnessing of horses so they could be used for heavy work, windmills, the compass and rudder, fore-and-aft sails, an efficient number system, gunpowder, printing and paper, steel-making, a variety of crops of vital significance to Western agriculture, among them those two indispensable legumes, alfalfa and soybeans, many food products, and much else).

    Lach ignores most of this because be is not concerned, as he says, with the "impact" of Asia on Europe but is really concerned only with Europe's awareness of Asia (that is why he wants to restrict his attention to published information), and he is concerned with "awareness" because his attention is still anchored in the area where it began, the use of Asia by men like Montesquieu, Leibnitz, or Voltaire as a weapon to criticize European culture during the Enlightenment...."

    http://www.carrollquigley.net/book-reviews/What_the_West_Has_Learned.htm


    "... Even in Parkinson's day under the great Queen Victoria every school boy knew Ex Oriente Lux.

    Europe's peoples and languages came from the east as did the very basic attributes of European life: its food (wheat, beef, lamb, swine, fowls), its textiles (wool, linen, cotton, silk), its systems of measures (12 eggs in a dozen, 12 inches in a foot, 12 hours in the day and in the night, 60 minutes in the hour), its basic technology (writing, the wheel, paper, printing type, gun powder, the plow, the number system), and those three major targets of Parkinson’s antipathy, governmental bureaucracy, taxation, and state regulation of economic life.

    Even today, a London economic consultant wears trousers and a jacket slashed in the rear so that the sides will hang straight as he sits on his horse, attire derived from a Turkic cultural predecessor in the central Asian grasslands of two millennia ago..."

    http://www.carrollquigley.net/book-reviews/New_Book_by_C_Northcote_Parkinson.htm

    This comment then ignores the European, maybe worldwide, stone age civilisations.
    Stonehenge in GB is well known, that structures like this exist even in NW Pakistan, is far less known.
    The technology of these people was astonishing, the Grand Menhir Brisée in Brittany, France, fell in an earth quake, but before stood upright.
    Forgot about the weight, but is was tens of tonnes.
    Barnenez, also in Brittanny, is as impressive as the piramids, and older.
    The British professor Thom is convinced that the stone age people could predict when the moon blocks the sunlight.
    Alas they left nothing written, except maybe the Pict language, still not deciphered.
    Ötzi, found quite recently high in the mountains between Austria and Italy shows also a high level of civilisation, thousands of years BCE.
    The implements he had with him were made of 28 or so different sorts of wood, in all probability he made his bronze axe himself.
    ⦁ Alexander Thom, ‘Megalithic Lunar Observatories’, Oxford, 1971, 1978
    Another quite unknown chapter of human history can be found in
    ⦁ Thorkild Schioler, ‘Roman and Islamic water lifting wheels’, Odense University Press 1973
    and
    ⦁ ‘The archaeology of Africa, Food, Metals and Towns’, ed. Shaw, Sinclair, Andah and Okpoko, London and New York 1993
    Anyone interested in European civilisation at the time when Ceasar wrote his propaganda about the barbarians he conquered I recommend a visit to the museum in Halle, Austria.
    Anyone interested in American civilisations before white man destroyed anything:
    Charles C. Mann, Ancient Americans, Rewriting the History of the New World’, 2005, London, ( 1491: New Revelations of the Americas before Columbus, 2005, New York)
    and
    Ronald Wright, ‘Stolen Continents, Conquest and Resistance in the Americas’, 1992, London

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  85. @mcohen
    fred reed
    i have a confession.i am a white man.and a jew.so i am doubly jinxed

    but fred i am a worried white jew man

    my fellow whites in tights are geniuses. and have invented all manner of good shit.hubbly bubbly and cern and all kinds of wonderful things

    but what about all the bad stuff.the plastic in the ocean,the radiation levels in europe the pollution from all the good stuff.it will kill us all.it is killing us right now

    maybe thats what the non whiteys hate the most deeeeeeeeeerp down.how all the great white stuff is destroying the planet

    white man thinks in squares but the black man thinks in circles(no pun intended)

    ‘white man thinks in squares but the black man thinks in circles(no pun intended)’

    oh no, you seem to have taken the same african lit class as me so long ago, where the professor pontificated daily on white linear thinking and black ‘curvilinear’ thinking. it’s a phase, one hopes. and here’s to a speedy recovery of your common sense!
    i too am a white man, not a jew, and i most certainly don’t love squares–rooms, city blocks, straight, ugly streets, etc.
    perhaps a little less generalization is in order?

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  86. @daniel le mouche
    I agree the Catholic Church had a narrative, as the power superstructure always seems to. Much science was at odds with that narrative, and was suppressed. But what about now? We have our own narrative from which we can never stray (multiculturalism is a central component, as are phoney news to add to the REALLY big lies like the Holocaust and 911, for two examples), which ostensibly includes all science. But does it? What of all the completely phoney scientific 'evidence' presented by Popular Science magazine as proof of the 'Pancake Theory' and much more 911 nonsense? Scientists said it, we believe it. And how much science is suppressed these days? There have been and without any doubt still are many discoveries that would bring the suffering world happiness, Tesla for one. There is quite possibly the cure for cancer being carefully hidden far from view--many think they have it. (I know nothing about this, but have seen enough from people who seem to to think it very possible.) There are others who question carbon dating (Vine Deloria, the American Indian writer, is one who makes a good case against it; he also has interesting theories on the formation of mountains and the official Bering Strait postulation of 'how the Indians got here'). If carbon dating isn't accurate, all of the latest findings that so many attach importance to (was the first man from Africa, etc.) will be thrown into the deepest shadows of doubt. In short, science is very political.

    You are quite right, we live in an era where truth no longer seems to be important:
    Christopher Lasch, ‘The Culture of Narcissism, American Life in an Age of Diminishing Expectations’, 1979, 1980, London
    Nevertheless, the pope who was declared infallible around 1870, and the pope who stated that science could not be exercised without the church, maybe then years earlier, have lost their influence.

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  87. White guilt is the left’s ultimate form of moral extortion — a “weapon of the weak” — but as long as the extortionists get a free shot at our young people in the schools and universities, at some point it will be game, set, match, and the racial Bolsheviks will rule.

    See: http://fosterspeak.blogspot.com/2016/10/from-moral-blackmail-to-political.html

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  88. The important thing is understanding that intellectual advance comes from some groups and not others.

    What intellectual advance came from Northern Europeans until very recently (less than a thousand years ago)?

    Africans built the Pyramids, the Great Sphinx, the Temple of Karnak (which was bigger and grander than any cathedral) thousands of years before your ancestors emerged into history from their bogs and forests. It is utterly silly of you to claim credit for inventing geometry in light of the above fact.

    Ditto for claiming to have invented algebra and the algorithm. Truly shameless.

    And the very numeral system you use, without which modern science and technology is inconceivable, comes from the black and brown people of the Indian subcontinent….

    And by the way the greatest writer of symphonies, Beethoven, would be considered a black man in America.

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    "And by the way, the greatest writer of symphonies, Beethoven, would be considered a black man in America."

    Would you please elaborate, I find this statement somewhat puzzling!
    , @Anotheranon
    "the greatest writer of symphonies, Beethoven, would be considered a black man in America"

    No biographer of Beethoven takes this silly idea seriously.

    What's more, it's been rejected by Dominique-Rene de Lerma, the leading expert on blacks/Africans in classical music:

    http://africlassical.blogspot.com/2007/12/dominique-ren-de-lerma-beethoven-as.html

    A comprehensive list of composers of African descent. Beethoven is not on it:

    http://chevalierdesaintgeorges.homestead.com/Others.html
    , @dcite
    A Jewish guy tried to tell me that one time, when i was a liberal too. I knew it was absurd, considering what we know of Beethoven. I've seen his death mask. Strictly European. There are some weird fantasies along these lines. Another Jewish person tried to tell me a black had invented the cotton gin of all things. I told her it Eli Whitney, a white man. Perhaps she had confused that name with Whitney Houston.

    For some reason SOME Jewish people love to attribute white achievements to blacks, as long as the putative white is a gentile. This even seems to be organized, perhaps ala Saul Alinsky.

    As for being considered "a black man in America", this 2017, not 1910. He would be considered whatever he felt like being considered or he'd sue a bunch of white people for oppression.

    , @Jus' SAyin'...
    We wuz kangs!
  89. The best comment on the sorry state of US higher education indoctrination is that such an article is not completely superfluous.

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  90. What was the name of the African who explained the laws of Physics to Isaac Newton?

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  91. @Corvinus
    Wally, silly Wally.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1995/09/slavery-and-the-jews/376462/

    Corvy, silly Corvy.

    Still referencing that silly article, I see. Even after I demonstrated that the figures quoted by Prof. Martin were indeed factual as they were based on Jewish demographic studies that revealed that 75% of Jewish households owned slaves, compared to 36% of white households, across the 14 slave states in 1830.

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    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "Even after I demonstrated that the figures quoted..."

    Only by twisting and turning the data. We've been down this road before.
  92. @Jason Liu
    I'm gonna assume you and most readers here are old and haven't been in college for years. I'm in my mid-twenties, and just got out of college a few years ago.

    The issue isn't comparing whites with other races. The vast, vast majority of SJW thought leaders on campus are themselves white (and not all Jews), with minorities following along. These are the types who engage in ideological extremism, and come up with new concepts and SJW lexicon. Minorities and other victim groups then pick up those memes and adopt them in their rhetoric.

    Campus leftism is not caused by a comparison of white achievement vs others. That's just one of many symptoms. Deep down, it is actually fueled by a strange resentment of whites towards their own people. A big chunk of it is white girls trashing white boys with neurotic, almost desperate rage, the kind that probably springs from years of personal bitterness and insecurity. This is the group that constantly creates new talking points and ideological weapons (ex: "White fragility") to socially ostracize white males. Take them out and campus anarchy will be greatly diminished.

    It isn't your race vs other races, it's you vs you.

    The white internecine war has been going full tilt for a while. Agree it is not about races against each other but using other races as wedge against ones own.
    Not that there isn’t true animosity between races.

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  93. @daniel le mouche
    but no mention of who's behind the curtain, pulling the strings? of the deliberate, systematic destruction of america in 40 to 50 years, ongoing? there were many blacks that showed promise back in the 50s and early 60s, when they had functioning communities. the destruction of these communities coincides with what is perhaps the final destruction of the catholic church (after the devastating initial blows beginning exactly 500 years ago). in 1963 there was a strong church (with a great catholic president, the only one ever, whose first invitee to the white house was an african leader, to get an idea of the hopefulness felt between the races back then by many), and strong black communities and leadership. now we have black and white trash, hatred and destitution all around, which will get far worse. coupled with phony endless terrorist attacks aimed at both disarming americans and keeping war support for israel running at full steam. a beautiful thing, geopolitics today. now, who is the most right, e michael jones (the jews), or lyndon larouche (the english)?

    If i had to be a little conspiratorial, I would say that our political leaders are using foreign wars as a distraction to our current economic, social & political domestic problems. Due to there destructive domestic policies they are creating a slow agonizing economic decline into eventual failed state like regions within America.

    This is along with the eventual hollowing out of govt services to pay for ever expanding entitlements. That is why there will not be a significant police/national guard presence to counteract the second problem when it hits critical mass: the inability to afford the entitlements and its resultant social unrest.

    They have irresponsibly made the perfect storm of destabilization: racial balkanization with African Americans, instilling hatred and welfare dependency, coupled with slow & steady economic decline. The role of government itself has transformed to a primary function of providing welfare, with every other govt function becoming secondary to that.

    As government (at multiple levels of local/State/Federal) has more & more difficulty extracting the revenue needed to maintain this expanding welfare state, it will start to cannibalize from other govt functions in order to maintain it. Of course there will come a point that it simply cannot sustain the welfare payments to African Americans.

    But before then, there will be military base closures, reduction of police forces (as well as Fire Dept station houses), and closing of prisons, to help pay for the welfare state. There will eventually be a reduction of staff to such low levels, that maintaining daily law & order, let alone responding to massive social unrest, will be nearly impossible.

    And massive social unrest will happen, with those African Americans who principle values are to hate whitey, and collect welfare, after those payments have stopped (or even reduced). If they complain and act violent now when we try to give them everything (unqualified car loans, smartphones/iphones, unearned college grades, etc) then what will happen when it stops.

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    f i had to be a little conspiratorial, I would say that our political leaders are using foreign wars as a distraction to our current economic, social & political domestic problems.
     
    Is that being "conspriatorial" or "totally, incredibly, fucking obvious"?
    , @daniel le mouche
    couldn't agree less that they're going to have to, horrors, cut into military spending to pay for welfare. what planet you living on? i forget the figures, but each one of their wars costs per day something like healthcare for the whole country would cost for a year.
  94. @Santoculto

    We began building these things in 1137.
     
    ... we were responsible for black slavery....

    Кто это “мы”?

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  95. And exactly (((who))) is responsible for perpetrating this monstrous lie that the white race is so evil?

    (((Susan Sontag))), who wrote that the “white race is the cancer of human history?” (((Karl Marx, Max Horkheimer, Herbert Marcuse, Theodor Adorno, Norman Mailer, Gloria Steinem, and Betty Friedan))) might also be added to the list of liars about the white race.

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    • Replies: @geokat62

    ...Max Horkheimer, Herbert Marcuse, Theodor Adorno...
     
    For those who don't know, the above-noted individuals were leading members of the Frankfurt School.

    Adorno is the author of the book, The Authoritarian Personality. Here is how one critic described the aim of the book:

    Some observers have criticized what they saw as a strongly politicized agenda to The Authoritarian Personality. Social critic Christopher Lasch argued that by equating mental health with left-wing politics and associating right-wing politics with an invented “authoritarian” pathology, the book's goal was to eliminate antisemitism by “subjecting the American people to what amounted to collective psychotherapy—by treating them as inmates of an insane asylum.” The Authoritarian Personality remains widely cited in the social sciences and continues to inspire research interest today.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Authoritarian_Personality
     
  96. @Truth

    Our current racial balkanization with African Americans seems to have hit a tipping point, and thus will not improve any time soon. This unresolved conflict coupled with our economic mismanagement, will cause major social destabilization in its wake. We cannot convince African Americans to stop blaming whitey, and there is no indication that they will stop doing that on their own. But until then, there will never be any real peace in this country.
     
    From the looks of your post, we can't stop whitey from blaming African-Americans either.

    According to the national crime stats, African Americans are 27 times more likely to attack a white person than vice versa. Whites who are generally wary of African Americans are generally following their own rational self interest. We did not create this mess, nor want it. Its mostly a product of the New Left, SJW, and BLM types, while most African Americans mindlessly follow the political agenda.

    In my case, and others like me, its not about blaming Blacks, it is simply empirically acknowledging what African Americans say and do, and making the proper conclusions towards their current propensity for destruction. Most liberals try to take reality and force it to conform to their own inexperienced opinions. A rational person formulates opinions based on observed reality.

    If African Americans stopped their misbehavior, then whites like me wouldn’t have anything negative to say about them; and then we can all move on from this social nightmare created by our political masters. Non liberal Whites react to African American misbehavior, not the other way around (that would put the cart before the horse). The usual retort is that ‘Blacks live in poverty, and are subject to discrimination’; Yeah so was every other Catholic ethnic group, Asians, Appalachian Whites, and Jews, but some how they struggled through it.

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    • Replies: @daniel le mouche
    ever hear of the crack epidemic? supplied by clinton, according to one documentary i've seen (i know, it may not be true--it only really SEEMS true). ever hang out in a real black ghetto? every billboard advertises either alcohol or cigarettes. add in that all manufacturing is now offshore (for whites and blacks of course).
    so, families ruined (on purpose), vicious addiction which leads to crime and violence (on purpose), and positively no honest work (on purpose). yes, they're extraordinarily violent and nasty, but isn't at least a rather large part of that engineered, ON PURPOSE?
  97. The university is enemy occupied territory for white males and they are treated accordingly UNLESS they are self hating SJW cruds. But even then they are merely tolerated and they are too dense to realize that they are still hated by non-whites. Their over the top virtue signaling just makes them useful idiots.

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    they are too dense to realize that they are still hated by non-whites. Their over the top virtue signaling just makes them useful idiots.
     
    It is kind of a strange symbiotic relationship that SJW Whites and angry Afro Americans have with each other (or should I say using each other). The Afros use the SJWs to help them to promote a blame whitey agenda for further privileges, and the SJWs use Afros to promote their flawed egocentric social/economic agenda.

    And the rest of us who want no part of it (including good faith Blacks, as opposed to antisocial afros) are in for the ride, that will eventually lead off the economic cliff (into social instability). If we only can eliminate one of them, I would say the SJW (New Left progs) because they are the political power base. Without their political interference, we can then impose order upon the chaos.

    The alternative is a steady long term economic decline, leading into regions of failed state like conditions, which devolves into a afro race war (when the money to pay the extortion, oops i mean, entitlements runs out). And given the choice to prevent this, I rather eliminate the primary source of the problem, which is the New Left SJW thinking. Their only output is irrational cultural instability, thus being productively useless, their elimination would be of no consequence to the society at large.

  98. @Curle
    For years Afro Americans have been telling themselves the Pharaohs were sub Saharan. A recent study of Pharaoh mummy DNA shows the Pharaohs had even less sub Saharan DNA than present day Egyptians, leading to conclusion that presence of subsaharans in Egypt increased with slave trade but ancient presence of subsaharans in Egypt was negligible.

    Not that this dose of reality will change what the Afro studies hucksters teach one iota.

    Let me just give you a little hint that makes this sort of discourse difficult; PRACTICALLY EVERYTHING that you read from the mainstream media, science, history, etc. is pure fiction. When I say pure fiction, I mean it is all made up by a cabal that coordinates information in order to fool you, then they mock you with movies like the matrix, in which they tell you that everything is pure fiction.

    Simple test, the next time you are at a calm-placid lake, ask yourself if you truly believe that we are hurtling to space at 70,000 miles an hour, or rotating at 600 miles an hour.

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    flat earther, eh? well, i respect that. i've looked into some videos on that subject, and it's roughly as plausible as the lizard alien thing, which i also in seriousness think is possible. i don't want to seem troublesome, but i actually agreed with the first part of your comment too, ie that all, i mean all, they say is a lie.
  99. @Dr. X
    And exactly (((who))) is responsible for perpetrating this monstrous lie that the white race is so evil?

    (((Susan Sontag))), who wrote that the "white race is the cancer of human history?" (((Karl Marx, Max Horkheimer, Herbert Marcuse, Theodor Adorno, Norman Mailer, Gloria Steinem, and Betty Friedan))) might also be added to the list of liars about the white race.

    …Max Horkheimer, Herbert Marcuse, Theodor Adorno…

    For those who don’t know, the above-noted individuals were leading members of the Frankfurt School.

    Adorno is the author of the book, The Authoritarian Personality. Here is how one critic described the aim of the book:

    Some observers have criticized what they saw as a strongly politicized agenda to The Authoritarian Personality. Social critic Christopher Lasch argued that by equating mental health with left-wing politics and associating right-wing politics with an invented “authoritarian” pathology, the book’s goal was to eliminate antisemitism by “subjecting the American people to what amounted to collective psychotherapy—by treating them as inmates of an insane asylum.” The Authoritarian Personality remains widely cited in the social sciences and continues to inspire research interest today.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Authoritarian_Personality

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    • Replies: @daniel le mouche
    'The Authoritarian Personality remains widely cited in the social sciences and continues to inspire research interest today.'

    Agreed, and many a little pop-psych female (especially mothers) has her 'authoritarian husband' guard up. Also thank Wilhelm Reich, another Jew with revolutionary designs. Adorno and Reich are both mentioned by E Michael Jones, a very interesting guy (lots of his videos are on youtube). Reich said the authoritarian father was the cause of all of society's woes. He also introduced the term 'sexual revolution', was very obsessed with sex, and wrote 'The Function of the Orgasm', which he felt was at the root of all society's ills. He strongly advocated early childhood sexual exploration. He is very believable, if one is caught unawares.
  100. Mar 20, 2015 The Cycle of The State (by Daniel Sanchez)

    Daniel Sanchez combines the theories of Robert Higgs and Hans-Hermann Hoppe to form a theory of the cycle of the state.

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  101. @Philip Owen
    You have a point. Most of the diagrams and description of slave ships and the conditions of slavery (savage overseers whipping mothers and babies) comes from anti-slavery campaigns. These are the images now used to illustrate the history of slavery. The barbarity of the Middle Passage was not usually loose pack or tight pack, if ever.

    African and European slaves in North Africa did not reproduce at all, except the concubines of the very rich. Male slaves in MENA had life expectancies measured on the fingers of one hand. They needed constant replenishment. Slaves in most of the Caribbean and Latin America did not reproduce enough to replace their numbers. In the US, the slave population did more or less reproduce itself. In the Turkish parts of the Middle East some slaves were well treated, even privileged.

    Exposing over dramatic anti-slavery propaganda still doesn't make North American slavery right.

    You have a point. Most of the diagrams and description of slave ships and the conditions of slavery (savage overseers whipping mothers and babies) comes from anti-slavery campaigns. These are the images now used to illustrate the history of slavery. The barbarity of the Middle Passage was not usually loose pack or tight pack, if ever.

    Well that’s an interesting (albeit not entirely original) response to what I wrote; “slavery did happen, but we were really, really nice to them, it was really more like the Boy Scouts. it’s just those damn Lib-urr-uhls who make it sound worse than it was!”

    LMAO.

    The ultimate point of the video, and the theory, my friend, is that THE TRANS-ATLANTIC SLAVE TRADE IS A COMPLETE HOAX. Never happened, black people WERE the native Americans (along with some Asiatic types who had no resistance to smallpox). Now I’m not saying that I buy this, because I have not had time to research it, but I think it is strange that there is not has has never been ONE EXAMPLE FOUND OF AN ACTUAL SLAVE SHIP. When you consider that white people will refurbish 300 year old pencil and put it under a temperature controlled glass. This strikes me as strange.

    This is one of only two logical theories as to the slave trade that I have read, and, believe it or not, the other one is probably even stranger.

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    No hoax whatsoever:
    Robert Harms, Das Sklavenschiff, Eine Reise in die Welt des Sklavenhandels’, München 2007 (The Diligent, New York, 2001)
    A thoroughly resarched book, all over the world, but based mainly on French court records, the owners of the ship ssued the captain, their profit was too low.
    Unbelievable how christians treated humans, with the excuse that they would not enter hell as heathens, but heaven as christians.
    Those that survived the Atlantic transport entered heaven on average after seven years.
    Except for making eunuchs, also horrible, Muslims treated their slaves far better

    The yearly consumption of slaves of the much admired Roman empire is estimated as high as ten million a year.
    Recent excavations of Roman villa's at Pompeï have led to the conclusion that each house functioned on some fifty slaves.

    Writing this I must think of present day cruise ships, the multitude of mainly Philippinos deep below never see daylight during a six months or so employment.
  102. @daniel le mouche
    'Because white women are addicted to black dongs'

    Yes. Someone this week, I can't remember who or which on which article, made a long comment about Woman's destruction wreaked on entire nations. I thought it rang completely true.
    Has anyone met a single (any) white woman, anywhere, from any country--let's say she has to be under 40--who can't stand rap, hip hop, funk, or for that matter Madonna and other 'pop stars'? Who has not been brutally fucked by at least three afros?
    For this reason I can truly appreciate Islam, who keep women covered when not in the home. Shameful, destructive Western Woman!

    Has anyone met a single (any) white woman, anywhere, from any country–let’s say she has to be under 40–who can’t stand rap, hip hop, funk, or for that matter Madonna and other ‘pop stars’? Who has not been brutally fucked by at least three afros?

    Hell, I guess the first one must have been pretty damn good.

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    'Hell, I guess the first one must have been pretty damn good.'

    Now aren't you a clever one. Sex is sex is sex, and yes, it feels good. But you're some clown. Women aren't like that. It's a badge of honor. It shows they do what the fuck they want, when the fuck they want. Few marry the monkeys, it's just like the American bitches that have to 'do' (literally) Europe before they settle down to be mothers. Any enlightening comments on rap, genius?

  103. @joef
    If i had to be a little conspiratorial, I would say that our political leaders are using foreign wars as a distraction to our current economic, social & political domestic problems. Due to there destructive domestic policies they are creating a slow agonizing economic decline into eventual failed state like regions within America.

    This is along with the eventual hollowing out of govt services to pay for ever expanding entitlements. That is why there will not be a significant police/national guard presence to counteract the second problem when it hits critical mass: the inability to afford the entitlements and its resultant social unrest.

    They have irresponsibly made the perfect storm of destabilization: racial balkanization with African Americans, instilling hatred and welfare dependency, coupled with slow & steady economic decline. The role of government itself has transformed to a primary function of providing welfare, with every other govt function becoming secondary to that.

    As government (at multiple levels of local/State/Federal) has more & more difficulty extracting the revenue needed to maintain this expanding welfare state, it will start to cannibalize from other govt functions in order to maintain it. Of course there will come a point that it simply cannot sustain the welfare payments to African Americans.

    But before then, there will be military base closures, reduction of police forces (as well as Fire Dept station houses), and closing of prisons, to help pay for the welfare state. There will eventually be a reduction of staff to such low levels, that maintaining daily law & order, let alone responding to massive social unrest, will be nearly impossible.

    And massive social unrest will happen, with those African Americans who principle values are to hate whitey, and collect welfare, after those payments have stopped (or even reduced). If they complain and act violent now when we try to give them everything (unqualified car loans, smartphones/iphones, unearned college grades, etc) then what will happen when it stops.

    f i had to be a little conspiratorial, I would say that our political leaders are using foreign wars as a distraction to our current economic, social & political domestic problems.

    Is that being “conspriatorial” or “totally, incredibly, fucking obvious”?

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  104. @Achmed E. Newman
    Thank you, EE. I knew the "i"'s were for current and the "V"'s for voltage, but you saved me from trying to look these equations up.

    You shouldn’t be thanking ‘The Grate Deign’.

    As ringo pointed out in post 21 (and I was about to), the Deign’s answer was wrong on the most basic point (what do the equations describe?).

    They also do not describe a distribution, just the ideal currents on each pin.

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    I saw the correction - just glad to know what the equations were about - I'm not an EE. Thanks for the corrections.

    I like the symmetry in them, which means they represent basic theory.
  105. As a “white kid,” I slugged my way through a UC engineering curriculum, on the GI bill. Couldn’t afford to pay rent at the time, so as an undergraduate student I lived in a panel VW van, christened “Hotel California.”

    Just another glaring example, of some college kid’s “white privilege!”

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  106. @Don Young
    I am very disappointed that that you stoop to use a cathedral for some kind of proof of white man's superior accomplishment. I spend a great deal of time in Europe sitting outside those ridiculous structures trying to fathom how man could have been so enslaved physically and mentally to work for sometime centuries building those oppressive structures. Sure they are impressive,and are meant to be,but have you ever considered that the money and effort constructing those structure could have been much better spent? Say on education,which the church was dead sent against. They depress the shit out of me,but so do government buildings and museums which are not in any way creative,but rather plunder.
    Today we are burdened with societies' most renowned accomplishments being the military. What a great leap forward we have had. Don Young

    Sure they are impressive,and are meant to be,but have you ever considered that the money and effort constructing those structure could have been much better spent?

    I stubbed ma toe wi no bambalance, and whitey’s on the moon, yo.

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  107. @Rex Little

    when Fred waxes sentimental about the joys of diversity and Mexican immigration,
     
    Fred doesn't do any such thing, and never has. His clearly stated opinion has always been that it was a bad idea for the US to allow mass immigration from Mexico.

    What he does say is that Mexico as a country isn't the Third World sinkhole that Americans imagine it to be, and the people there are mostly good folks. What we here often forget (and Fred could be clearer in stating) is that the illegals streaming over our Southern border aren't a representative sample of Mexican society--they're overwhelmingly from the bottom of the socioeconomic barrel (or from even poorer Central American countries). To judge Mexico by the residents of East LA is like judging the US by the population of inner-city Detroit.

    Mexicans are good people. It’s the Mexican government that sucks sh*t.

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  108. To a white kid in college:

    I warned you, but you didn’t listen. Don’t come crying to me.

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  109. @Negrolphin Pool
    I'm very confident a researcher could easily find cases where 1) the slave or newly ex-slave was granted freedom and 2) they had a credible offer of livelihood elsewhere and 3) declined the offer, opting to remain with their former owners.

    That's an admittedly cop-out response but I don't have time now to look into it further. The link in my earlier post, however, should be suggestive to the impartial reader. But I'll concede you a win because of my unwillingness to follow through.

    The point in question is an important one, though. Your contention that the facts of paid work and freedom to leave at will, however immutable (they weren't) are proof of slavery's absolute inferiority to wage-slavery is naive and should be properly eviscerated.

    I’m very confident a researcher could easily find cases where 1) the slave or newly ex-slave was granted freedom and 2) they had a credible offer of livelihood elsewhere and 3) declined the offer

    You are correct. The colonization of Liberia was unsuccessful, from the American point of view, because too many American slaves refused the offer of freedom in exchange for relocation to Liberia. Word got out the Africans wanted to kill them and the work of colonization was very hard.

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  110. The only solution for the race problem is a total separation of the races. It has become absolutely clear to me that we can’t live together, as all of the bickering and recriminations in the comments have amplified.

    Far more important than specific white achievements, are the cultures we have built. Only white men can create white cultures and only white men can maintain them. It’s called Western Civilization. The main reason for this is that virtually all of the jobs in this county are created by white men.

    The great cities we have built, Detroit, Chicago etc. are turning to shit because black men don’t provide jobs for their people anywhere in the world. Every country south of our border that is minority white is a third world country because there are not enough white men to provide jobs for them. Hispanics are flooding across our borders by the tens of millions because this is where the white men – the job creators and wealth creators – are.

    The white bashing that Fred talks about is a carefully crafted relentless racist con game designed to convince whites that we have no choice, we must resign ourselves to becoming minorities in this country in a futile attempt to provide non-whites with economic parity to white men.

    This is not possible. When we become a minority, there won’t be enough white men to provide jobs for everyone. Latin America proves that beyond a shadow of a doubt, because white immigration began there 130 years before the English colonies.

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  111. @Don Young
    I am very disappointed that that you stoop to use a cathedral for some kind of proof of white man's superior accomplishment. I spend a great deal of time in Europe sitting outside those ridiculous structures trying to fathom how man could have been so enslaved physically and mentally to work for sometime centuries building those oppressive structures. Sure they are impressive,and are meant to be,but have you ever considered that the money and effort constructing those structure could have been much better spent? Say on education,which the church was dead sent against. They depress the shit out of me,but so do government buildings and museums which are not in any way creative,but rather plunder.
    Today we are burdened with societies' most renowned accomplishments being the military. What a great leap forward we have had. Don Young

    Say on education,which the church was dead sent against.

    Sure, ace. I hear the church hated arts, music and science too. My soixante huitard teach told me, lecturing in some hopelessly old building, and he always right.

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  112. @KenH
    The university is enemy occupied territory for white males and they are treated accordingly UNLESS they are self hating SJW cruds. But even then they are merely tolerated and they are too dense to realize that they are still hated by non-whites. Their over the top virtue signaling just makes them useful idiots.

    they are too dense to realize that they are still hated by non-whites. Their over the top virtue signaling just makes them useful idiots.

    It is kind of a strange symbiotic relationship that SJW Whites and angry Afro Americans have with each other (or should I say using each other). The Afros use the SJWs to help them to promote a blame whitey agenda for further privileges, and the SJWs use Afros to promote their flawed egocentric social/economic agenda.

    And the rest of us who want no part of it (including good faith Blacks, as opposed to antisocial afros) are in for the ride, that will eventually lead off the economic cliff (into social instability). If we only can eliminate one of them, I would say the SJW (New Left progs) because they are the political power base. Without their political interference, we can then impose order upon the chaos.

    The alternative is a steady long term economic decline, leading into regions of failed state like conditions, which devolves into a afro race war (when the money to pay the extortion, oops i mean, entitlements runs out). And given the choice to prevent this, I rather eliminate the primary source of the problem, which is the New Left SJW thinking. Their only output is irrational cultural instability, thus being productively useless, their elimination would be of no consequence to the society at large.

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    The Dems have slapped together a coalition of the Privileged, the Parasites and the Perverts and seriously seem to think they can beat the Productive.

    I believe much merriment will ensue.
  113. @Brewer
    Whites are good at technology, the foundation stone of consumerism.
    Blacks invented the blues, foundation stone of all modern music. A black man invented passive resistance.
    I learned humanism and non-judgmental empathy from my black wife.
    Different strokes.
    Be nice if we learned from each other.

    The Blues are derived from church music and European folk music.
    The 1-4-5 chord progression goes back much farther than slavery.
    I don’t doubt blacks added their touch, but lets be truly honest about it.

    You been watching too much of that hapless shabbos goy, Ken Burns.

    Thanks.

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    Well spotted. I had forgotten how church music and European folk music was renowned for its rhythm and the flattened 7th. Not that it detracts from the point I tried to make however.
  114. Excellent article, short and up to the point. The proof is in the pudding so to speak.

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  115. @hyperbola
    What/who is the "white race"? Does it include Mexicans (or Mexicans of Spanish origin - remember than the Spanish built the first modern submarine)? Does it include Hindus - whose "race" already discovered mathematics in 1000BC that Europeans would not (re)discover until the Renaissance (1500 AD).


    From jewel-capped teeth to golden bridges – 9,000 years of dentistry
    http://www.ancient-origins.net/human-origins-science/jewel-capped-teeth-golden-bridges-9000-years-dentistry-001427?nopaging=1

    ... An experimental reconstruction of a bow and flint-tipped drill used to bore through molar teeth found at a Neolithic graveyard in Mehrgarh, Pakistan. Photo source.

    The myth of the tooth worm
    The first and most enduring explanation for what causes tooth decay was the tooth worm, as depicted in the ivory sculptures to the left, which was first noted by the Sumerians around 5000 BC. The hypothesis was that tooth decay was the result of a tooth worm boring into and decimating the teeth. This is logical, as the holes created by cavities are somewhat similar to those bored by worms into wood.
    The idea of the tooth worm has been found in the writings of the ancient Greek philosophers and poets, as well as those of the ancient Indian, Japanese, Egyptian, and Chinese cultures. It endured as late as the 1300s, when French surgeon Guy de Chauliac still promoted the belief that worms cause tooth decay.

    “Does it include Hindus – whose “race” already discovered mathematics in 1000BC that Europeans would not (re)discover until the Renaissance (1500 AD). ”

    It is akin boasting that your wife was having a beautiful baby and then adding that she unfortunately had miscarriage. What use of what some Indian found something before Europeans if the whole thing did not turn into anything at all and had to be rediscovered and developed into something useful by others.
    Inventions by Indians, Chinese and whoever else were just that one time events that did not cause no trend, nothing.
    In case of Europeans however it is unmistakable trend which started with ancient Greeks , then Romans and that restarted and continued after Renaissance and into modernity and now..
    You demagoguery changes nothing because facts are here for all to see.

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  116. @joef
    If i had to be a little conspiratorial, I would say that our political leaders are using foreign wars as a distraction to our current economic, social & political domestic problems. Due to there destructive domestic policies they are creating a slow agonizing economic decline into eventual failed state like regions within America.

    This is along with the eventual hollowing out of govt services to pay for ever expanding entitlements. That is why there will not be a significant police/national guard presence to counteract the second problem when it hits critical mass: the inability to afford the entitlements and its resultant social unrest.

    They have irresponsibly made the perfect storm of destabilization: racial balkanization with African Americans, instilling hatred and welfare dependency, coupled with slow & steady economic decline. The role of government itself has transformed to a primary function of providing welfare, with every other govt function becoming secondary to that.

    As government (at multiple levels of local/State/Federal) has more & more difficulty extracting the revenue needed to maintain this expanding welfare state, it will start to cannibalize from other govt functions in order to maintain it. Of course there will come a point that it simply cannot sustain the welfare payments to African Americans.

    But before then, there will be military base closures, reduction of police forces (as well as Fire Dept station houses), and closing of prisons, to help pay for the welfare state. There will eventually be a reduction of staff to such low levels, that maintaining daily law & order, let alone responding to massive social unrest, will be nearly impossible.

    And massive social unrest will happen, with those African Americans who principle values are to hate whitey, and collect welfare, after those payments have stopped (or even reduced). If they complain and act violent now when we try to give them everything (unqualified car loans, smartphones/iphones, unearned college grades, etc) then what will happen when it stops.

    couldn’t agree less that they’re going to have to, horrors, cut into military spending to pay for welfare. what planet you living on? i forget the figures, but each one of their wars costs per day something like healthcare for the whole country would cost for a year.

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  117. @joef
    According to the national crime stats, African Americans are 27 times more likely to attack a white person than vice versa. Whites who are generally wary of African Americans are generally following their own rational self interest. We did not create this mess, nor want it. Its mostly a product of the New Left, SJW, and BLM types, while most African Americans mindlessly follow the political agenda.

    In my case, and others like me, its not about blaming Blacks, it is simply empirically acknowledging what African Americans say and do, and making the proper conclusions towards their current propensity for destruction. Most liberals try to take reality and force it to conform to their own inexperienced opinions. A rational person formulates opinions based on observed reality.

    If African Americans stopped their misbehavior, then whites like me wouldn't have anything negative to say about them; and then we can all move on from this social nightmare created by our political masters. Non liberal Whites react to African American misbehavior, not the other way around (that would put the cart before the horse). The usual retort is that 'Blacks live in poverty, and are subject to discrimination'; Yeah so was every other Catholic ethnic group, Asians, Appalachian Whites, and Jews, but some how they struggled through it.

    ever hear of the crack epidemic? supplied by clinton, according to one documentary i’ve seen (i know, it may not be true–it only really SEEMS true). ever hang out in a real black ghetto? every billboard advertises either alcohol or cigarettes. add in that all manufacturing is now offshore (for whites and blacks of course).
    so, families ruined (on purpose), vicious addiction which leads to crime and violence (on purpose), and positively no honest work (on purpose). yes, they’re extraordinarily violent and nasty, but isn’t at least a rather large part of that engineered, ON PURPOSE?

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    As for military expenditures, you are correct if you mean that there is a huge military industrial congressional complex that has a vested interest in keeping military budgets high. However that does not mean that it will never be reduced. We did have significant base closures, and military unit disbandments in the 90s (some of which affected some of my friends personally).

    The only thing that is keeping military spending going at the present rate is our current economic capacity, which will eventually erode from our economic burdens (slowly but consistently). Our military budget is about equivalent to our current federal welfare spending. But States and local governments do not have any significant military budgets, and most of their spending goes to welfare as well.

    Plus politicians cannot help but to pander to our unproductive afros with more entitlement goodies. That is becoming the central role of the federal government (competing with the military industrial complex), and has already become the central role of our cities and most of our urban States.

    The process of reducing other government services for entitlements is already happening in our cities & urban States for about the last 25 years. This will eventually have to happen on the Federal level as well in order to sustain the unsustainable entitlements. So eventually, in the long term, every govt service will be drastically reduced to accommodate afros, who will show no appreciation for these sacrifices that keep their gravy train going.

    Yes I have been in Black ghettos thousands of times (not an exaggeration) picking up the garbage... the part that the alcohol and cigarettes is engineered is utter nonsense. Companies seek profits, and afro ghettos are full of these vices, thus they sell in the ghettos. If afros didn't buy it, the corporatist couldn't sell it. I never saw any businessmen forcing afros to smoke & drink in the ghetto.
    But as usual we can never hold afros accountable for their own bad behavior.
  118. @Truth
    Let me just give you a little hint that makes this sort of discourse difficult; PRACTICALLY EVERYTHING that you read from the mainstream media, science, history, etc. is pure fiction. When I say pure fiction, I mean it is all made up by a cabal that coordinates information in order to fool you, then they mock you with movies like the matrix, in which they tell you that everything is pure fiction.

    Simple test, the next time you are at a calm-placid lake, ask yourself if you truly believe that we are hurtling to space at 70,000 miles an hour, or rotating at 600 miles an hour.

    flat earther, eh? well, i respect that. i’ve looked into some videos on that subject, and it’s roughly as plausible as the lizard alien thing, which i also in seriousness think is possible. i don’t want to seem troublesome, but i actually agreed with the first part of your comment too, ie that all, i mean all, they say is a lie.

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  119. @Rex Little

    when Fred waxes sentimental about the joys of diversity and Mexican immigration,
     
    Fred doesn't do any such thing, and never has. His clearly stated opinion has always been that it was a bad idea for the US to allow mass immigration from Mexico.

    What he does say is that Mexico as a country isn't the Third World sinkhole that Americans imagine it to be, and the people there are mostly good folks. What we here often forget (and Fred could be clearer in stating) is that the illegals streaming over our Southern border aren't a representative sample of Mexican society--they're overwhelmingly from the bottom of the socioeconomic barrel (or from even poorer Central American countries). To judge Mexico by the residents of East LA is like judging the US by the population of inner-city Detroit.

    when Fred waxes sentimental about the joys of diversity and Mexican immigration,

    Fred doesn’t do any such thing, and never has. His clearly stated opinion has always been that it was a bad idea for the US to allow mass immigration from Mexico.

    well then let’s take a lookey…

    Fred quote snippets:

    The embittered anti-immigration people, readers of sites like Vdare, would not care. Screw the vile brown scum, rapists and welfare parasites, murderers, drug peddlers, low-IQ nasty unevolved human flatworms. The bastards came illegally, so to hell with them.

    Too many illegals have been in the country for five, ten, fifteen years, speak English, have employers who value them, have children who are citizens and sometimes do not speak Spanish.

    The Hispanic genii is out of the bottle. It is a done deal. Trump can’t do much about it. Neither can anyone else.

    Much of the hostility, though expressed in practical terms of lost jobs and so on, is in fact racial, and therefor incurable. Many of the white nationalists exhibit an almost effeminate squeamishness at the thought of their precious bodily essences being polluted by oozing dark sludge.

    They do not yell “Pancho-hu akbar” and stab people

    here I might point out to Fred and others that MS13 are not cub scouts

    http://dailycaller.com/2017/04/03/uncle-ms-13-gangsters-mutilated-va-teenagers-body-in-grisly-murder/

    What the white nationalists can do, perhaps, is to alienate white from brown and split the country

    http://fredoneverything.org/what-to-do-with-latinos-get-used-to-them/

    You see I get to this point and become so exacerbated by Fred’s craven pandering, that I see no point in going further. This talk of “white nationalists’ is intended in imply that any sane white people anywhere who watch with alarm as their communities are overrun and transformed into something they don’t even recognize, and that’s become hostile to them, because of their race (Ever heard of La Raza Fred?) are nothing less than Nazis hell bent on enslaving the planet.

    The truth is that it’s white people who are the least racist of all ethnicities, and it’s because of that innate forbearance that the non-white races (with their Jewish leadership) are overrunning and driving out white folk from LA to Miami to Sweden and France. – To the detriment of the white people who used to live there and call it home. And if any complain, then there’s the all too predictable hacks for the regime calling the Germans and Swedes and French and N. Americans all “white nationalists” = Nazis – if we object.

    It’s transparent and repulsive and shameless.

    Clue to Fred: even white people are entitled to persevere and pass down a place for white children to grow up and do the same, as white people in places dedicated to the preservation of our culture and traditions and yes, our very DNA – what you refer to mockingly as our “precious bodily essences”. We don’t want to become a blended mixture into a brown, identity-less slave race for the Zionists to farm and use as cannon fodder in their Eternal Wars, OK?

    For the record I like Mexicans and have been to Mexico and there are a lots of nice people there. But there’s also barrios full of sewage running through the ‘streets’ and corruption as a way of life. There’s violence like most Americans can’t even comprehend,

    >>warning<<

    https://nclinksandthinks.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/dismembered.jpg

    and a culture that is different, in some ways better, and it some ways not, but different, and decidedly Latino. The over-the- top machismo for instance.

    Anyways, it's great when it's in Mexico, and you can go and visit or even stay if you want to accommodate yourself to that lifestyle. But importing all these cultures and millions of immigrants from every possible non-white backwater, from the barrios of Mexico to the hardcore Islamics of the Middle East and Africa, to the Caribbeans and everyone else, is all a transparent genocidal campaign by Zionists (and their useful idiots and armies of immigrants) to destroy all white nation's sense of identity and culture and traditions all the way down to their DNA, and impose upon them a multicultural cesspool of diversity and homocentric alienation. They hate our fucking guts, is the bottom line. And will never relent until they have their boot firmly on our necks. And Fred simply acts as their hack from time to time, so that he too can get invited to those DC cocktail parties.

    at least that’s how I see it ;)

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  120. @geokat62

    ...Max Horkheimer, Herbert Marcuse, Theodor Adorno...
     
    For those who don't know, the above-noted individuals were leading members of the Frankfurt School.

    Adorno is the author of the book, The Authoritarian Personality. Here is how one critic described the aim of the book:

    Some observers have criticized what they saw as a strongly politicized agenda to The Authoritarian Personality. Social critic Christopher Lasch argued that by equating mental health with left-wing politics and associating right-wing politics with an invented “authoritarian” pathology, the book's goal was to eliminate antisemitism by “subjecting the American people to what amounted to collective psychotherapy—by treating them as inmates of an insane asylum.” The Authoritarian Personality remains widely cited in the social sciences and continues to inspire research interest today.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Authoritarian_Personality
     

    ‘The Authoritarian Personality remains widely cited in the social sciences and continues to inspire research interest today.’

    Agreed, and many a little pop-psych female (especially mothers) has her ‘authoritarian husband’ guard up. Also thank Wilhelm Reich, another Jew with revolutionary designs. Adorno and Reich are both mentioned by E Michael Jones, a very interesting guy (lots of his videos are on youtube). Reich said the authoritarian father was the cause of all of society’s woes. He also introduced the term ‘sexual revolution’, was very obsessed with sex, and wrote ‘The Function of the Orgasm’, which he felt was at the root of all society’s ills. He strongly advocated early childhood sexual exploration. He is very believable, if one is caught unawares.

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    I should add that it was NOT having a proper orgasm that was the trouble.
    , @geokat62

    He also introduced the term ‘sexual revolution’, was very obsessed with sex, and wrote ‘The Function of the Orgasm’, which he felt was at the root of all society’s ills.
     
    Seems like Reich had taken a page from Georg Lukacs' playbook:

    In 1919, Georg Lukacs became Deputy Commissar for Culture in the short-lived Bolshevik Bela Kun regime in Hungary. He immediately set plans in motion to de-Christianize Hungary. Reasoning that if Christian sexual ethics could be undermined among children, then both the hated patriarchal family and the Church would be dealt a crippling blow. Lukacs launched a radical sex education program in the schools. Sex lectures were organized and literature handed out which graphically instructed youth in free love (promiscuity) and sexual intercourse while simultaneously encouraging them to deride and reject Christian moral ethics, monogamy, and parental and church authority. All of this was accompanied by a reign of cultural terror perpetrated against parents, priests, and dissenters.

    Hungary's youth, having been fed a steady diet of values-neutral (atheism) and radical sex education while simultaneously encouraged to rebel against all authority, easily turned into delinquents ranging from bullies and petty thieves to sex predators, murderers, and sociopaths.

    Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/02/cultural_marxism.html#ixzz4eLxUrNql
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  121. the reason Whites accomplished just abut everything is twofold. 1, high intelligence…one Classics guy estimated ancient Greek average IQ at 115.

    2. we have many individuals who are “spirited”, meaning not spirituality, but high spirits, as in high energy, and will to power, not over others, but to Do Things.

    The best example today is extreme sports…all white guys. the asians imitate us, etc, etc. and are smart enough is the north of Asia, but they are grinds. Here in Silicon Valley, I hear liberals say that of the Chinese. One of the reasons their women luv white guys…

    Sometimes Others have to be dominated if you cannot get them out of the way.

    then there is N. Korea, the leading Oriental Despotism on the planet. Now there is an outfit that needs to be squashed. China too, if you can figure out how to do it and survive ourselves.
    Joe Webb

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  122. @Truth

    Has anyone met a single (any) white woman, anywhere, from any country–let’s say she has to be under 40–who can’t stand rap, hip hop, funk, or for that matter Madonna and other ‘pop stars’? Who has not been brutally fucked by at least three afros?
     
    Hell, I guess the first one must have been pretty damn good.

    ‘Hell, I guess the first one must have been pretty damn good.’

    Now aren’t you a clever one. Sex is sex is sex, and yes, it feels good. But you’re some clown. Women aren’t like that. It’s a badge of honor. It shows they do what the fuck they want, when the fuck they want. Few marry the monkeys, it’s just like the American bitches that have to ‘do’ (literally) Europe before they settle down to be mothers. Any enlightening comments on rap, genius?

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  123. @daniel le mouche
    'The Authoritarian Personality remains widely cited in the social sciences and continues to inspire research interest today.'

    Agreed, and many a little pop-psych female (especially mothers) has her 'authoritarian husband' guard up. Also thank Wilhelm Reich, another Jew with revolutionary designs. Adorno and Reich are both mentioned by E Michael Jones, a very interesting guy (lots of his videos are on youtube). Reich said the authoritarian father was the cause of all of society's woes. He also introduced the term 'sexual revolution', was very obsessed with sex, and wrote 'The Function of the Orgasm', which he felt was at the root of all society's ills. He strongly advocated early childhood sexual exploration. He is very believable, if one is caught unawares.

    I should add that it was NOT having a proper orgasm that was the trouble.

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  124. @Diversity Heretic

    Well, they [African slaves] were taken from their homelands, shackled, put on a ship, sold to the highest bidder, and toiled until they died. All in all, pretty well.
     
    Given the slave population increase between 1790 (about 650,000) and 1860 (almost four million), a sextupling of the population in 70 years, they seem to have had plenty of energy for activities other than toiling and dying. But your last statement is right on the money! The life of an African slave in North America probably compared favorably to an industrial worker in Europe or North America during the same period. And it was much better than living in a high disease load subsistence agriculture environment in equitorial Africa.


    http://faculty.weber.edu/kmackay/statistics_on_slavery.htm


    Historical Statistics of the U.S. (1970).)

    Actually I remember Lenin saying somewhere that Russian serfs lived, worked and we’re treated worse then black slaves in America.

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  125. @Corvinus
    "“Who’s we, Kemosabe” is an old line from a very old joke. It’s not yours, been in the public domain since I was just a spry lad watching Jerry Grote catch for the Mets."

    Yes, I am aware of the joke and also Jerry Grote. I was employing sarcasm.

    "To blame the descendants of poor European farmers, fishermen and tradesmen who immigrated into America, many of whom, if not the majority, came to the US after slavery was abolished, is absurd. Blaming the descendants of the original colonists is ridiculous because the overwhelming majority of them owned no slaves, suffered because the big plantation owners could undersell their products and more than half of their states fought in a war that freed the slaves. Even the descendants of former slaveholders can’t be held responsible for the actions of their ancestors."

    Except I wasn't blaming these groups. I was mocking Diversity Heretic because he in essence is justifying the enslavement of blacks.

    A terrible thing slavery. There is no justifying or rationalizing it.

    And a pox on this world system of ” Enlightened Self Interest”.

    Greed.

    Through a system of consumption and entertainment the [Neo] slaves would love their servitude. -A.Huxley

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  126. @hyperbola
    What/who is the "white race"? Does it include Mexicans (or Mexicans of Spanish origin - remember than the Spanish built the first modern submarine)? Does it include Hindus - whose "race" already discovered mathematics in 1000BC that Europeans would not (re)discover until the Renaissance (1500 AD).


    From jewel-capped teeth to golden bridges – 9,000 years of dentistry
    http://www.ancient-origins.net/human-origins-science/jewel-capped-teeth-golden-bridges-9000-years-dentistry-001427?nopaging=1

    ... An experimental reconstruction of a bow and flint-tipped drill used to bore through molar teeth found at a Neolithic graveyard in Mehrgarh, Pakistan. Photo source.

    The myth of the tooth worm
    The first and most enduring explanation for what causes tooth decay was the tooth worm, as depicted in the ivory sculptures to the left, which was first noted by the Sumerians around 5000 BC. The hypothesis was that tooth decay was the result of a tooth worm boring into and decimating the teeth. This is logical, as the holes created by cavities are somewhat similar to those bored by worms into wood.
    The idea of the tooth worm has been found in the writings of the ancient Greek philosophers and poets, as well as those of the ancient Indian, Japanese, Egyptian, and Chinese cultures. It endured as late as the 1300s, when French surgeon Guy de Chauliac still promoted the belief that worms cause tooth decay.

    Definition of “White” is dynamic actually, rather than a fixed assumption based on a country of origin.

    19th century definition of Whites
    - loosely based on geographical locations, especially all Nordic countries, with a vague idea of Aryan blood.
    - All European sounding names
    - southern Italians near Africa, Eastern Europeans are considered lower class Whites.

    20th century definition of Whites
    - Caucasoid features, high brow, nasal bridge, round eyes, and light skin

    21st century definition of Whites
    - blonde hair, ginger works too
    - any other color of eyes (iris color), rather than black iris
    - high brow, nasal bridge (caucasoid features)
    - round eyes

    Those qualities are a must: you can’t be Whites with one of four qualities or two of four qualities. All four physical traits are necessary in order to be considered White. Why all 4 qualities are must?

    The perception of White changes over time. With an advanced medical procedures and techniques, if you loosen up the definition of Whites, one can easily become White:

    (i) One can easily perform a plastic surgery to remove crooked nose in Jews, Iranian etc etc , (ii) dying hair is at your whim, (iii) double-eyelids are another morning chores for every Koreans/Japanese, (iv) those East Asians, Brahmin categorized Indians, Middle Easterners with lighter skin,

    White population will blow up the ceiling. But it can’t be true, right?

    So you tighten up the definition.

    Look at John Oliver. Is this guy considered as White or Indian?

    The guy will be peddling in an Indian street, selling samosa if he’s in India. No one will bet an eye on him. But with a taint of the country of origin, he’s still milking viewers in America.

    Now look at Adriana Lima, a Brazilian model, whose mother language is not English, whose ethnicity is multi-layered mixed,

    http://i63.tinypic.com/rm8col.jpg

    You will consider her White if she’s walking down the street. The only catch is, she has to dye her hair really blonde, since she possesses all other physical qualities.

    But you can expect her children will feel immensely proud of White heritage once they come to America, become Americans, with all physical features considered as White. In fact, you know how much Brazilian contributed much to the advancement of human civilization. So go figure the definition of Whites.

    Whites definition is rather fluid.

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  127. You do not mention Russians in your article; assuming, I suppose, they are white. But, they are certainly not only white.

    In any case, the proud owner of any achievement is the people who actually are responsible for the deed, not the race he belongs to. There is indeed an impact of the culture that allows/hinders creative people thrive but this is about culture, and country, and certainly not race.

    You, sir, are indeed racist.

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    • Replies: @Alec Leamas
    You don't get to play this tune after decades of grossly overinflating the esteem of other races while damning whites at every turn.
    , @Mark Presco
    You could not be more wrong. Culture is almost entirely race based. See comment 113.
  128. The anti-White stuff is promulgated, very obviously, by Leftists and Jews, whose prior collaboration in Bolshevik Russia produced 50 million dead, give or take, in 30 years.

    The Jewishness of the Bolsheviks was and is, like the role of jews in the neocon movement- absolutely dominant, without any scholarly question…

    And yet, to speak of Jewish power and privilege is still verboden. See the (((wikipedia))) articles on ‘Judeo-Bolshevism’ for a prime example of Judeowashing alleged reference content.

    By the way, read and share this essay on comparing SJWs to Nazis. It is brilliant.

    https://www.counter-currents.com/2016/05/calling-for-a-nazi-social-justice-warrior-alliance/

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  129. @Corvinus
    "Given the slave population increase between 1790 (about 650,000) and 1860 (almost four million), a sextupling of the population in 70 years, they seem to have had plenty of energy for activities other than toiling and dying."

    Indeed, forced by their masters to have children to perpetuate the "peculiar institution".

    "But your last statement is right on the money!"

    That was a sarcastic comment on my part. One would think a white man of your intellect would have been able to discern my sardonic tone. Next time I know better.

    "The life of an African slave in North America probably compared favorably to an industrial worker in Europe or North America during the same period."

    Um, no. Industrial workers earned wages and enjoyed fundamental freedoms.

    "And it was much better than living in a high disease load subsistence agriculture environment in equitorial Africa."

    That wasn't the call of Europeans to remove by force a group of people from their homeland who were content to live freely. Now, was their greed due to their nature or their nurture? You know, was it innate for this particular group (Europeans) to destroy societies, or was it learned behavior?

    I’m going to assume it makes you feel virtuous to come out against slavery. I think most Americans and most Europeans are willing to concede that slavery is wrong. I think the Europeans were the first to outlaw it.

    To say that European workers “earned wages and enjoyed fundamental freedoms” is, I guess, technically true. But perhaps you should do a little research and see the conditions under which many of these people lived, and worked. It was no picnic and the subsistence wages they lived on were barely enough to keep their families fed and healthy. They weren’t slaves, some were indentured servants, however, and others suffered tremendously in factories and mines. Do you really want to compare which suffering was worse? Is there even a point to that? How about we say both groups suffered, albeit in different circumstances? Enough with this constant guilt-mongering.

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    "I think most Americans and most Europeans are willing to concede that slavery is wrong."

    Apparently not Diversity Heretic.

    "Do you really want to compare which suffering was worse? Is there even a point to that? How about we say both groups suffered, albeit in different circumstances? Enough with this constant guilt-mongering."

    Again, talk to Diversity Heretic.
  130. You will consider her White if she’s walking down the street.

    He, not she.

    But be my guest, you can have her…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XR1XmpvyC2U

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  131. @daniel le mouche
    'The Authoritarian Personality remains widely cited in the social sciences and continues to inspire research interest today.'

    Agreed, and many a little pop-psych female (especially mothers) has her 'authoritarian husband' guard up. Also thank Wilhelm Reich, another Jew with revolutionary designs. Adorno and Reich are both mentioned by E Michael Jones, a very interesting guy (lots of his videos are on youtube). Reich said the authoritarian father was the cause of all of society's woes. He also introduced the term 'sexual revolution', was very obsessed with sex, and wrote 'The Function of the Orgasm', which he felt was at the root of all society's ills. He strongly advocated early childhood sexual exploration. He is very believable, if one is caught unawares.

    He also introduced the term ‘sexual revolution’, was very obsessed with sex, and wrote ‘The Function of the Orgasm’, which he felt was at the root of all society’s ills.

    Seems like Reich had taken a page from Georg Lukacs’ playbook:

    In 1919, Georg Lukacs became Deputy Commissar for Culture in the short-lived Bolshevik Bela Kun regime in Hungary. He immediately set plans in motion to de-Christianize Hungary. Reasoning that if Christian sexual ethics could be undermined among children, then both the hated patriarchal family and the Church would be dealt a crippling blow. Lukacs launched a radical sex education program in the schools. Sex lectures were organized and literature handed out which graphically instructed youth in free love (promiscuity) and sexual intercourse while simultaneously encouraging them to deride and reject Christian moral ethics, monogamy, and parental and church authority. All of this was accompanied by a reign of cultural terror perpetrated against parents, priests, and dissenters.

    Hungary’s youth, having been fed a steady diet of values-neutral (atheism) and radical sex education while simultaneously encouraged to rebel against all authority, easily turned into delinquents ranging from bullies and petty thieves to sex predators, murderers, and sociopaths.

    Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/02/cultural_marxism.html#ixzz4eLxUrNql
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  132. @daniel le mouche
    ever hear of the crack epidemic? supplied by clinton, according to one documentary i've seen (i know, it may not be true--it only really SEEMS true). ever hang out in a real black ghetto? every billboard advertises either alcohol or cigarettes. add in that all manufacturing is now offshore (for whites and blacks of course).
    so, families ruined (on purpose), vicious addiction which leads to crime and violence (on purpose), and positively no honest work (on purpose). yes, they're extraordinarily violent and nasty, but isn't at least a rather large part of that engineered, ON PURPOSE?

    As for military expenditures, you are correct if you mean that there is a huge military industrial congressional complex that has a vested interest in keeping military budgets high. However that does not mean that it will never be reduced. We did have significant base closures, and military unit disbandments in the 90s (some of which affected some of my friends personally).

    The only thing that is keeping military spending going at the present rate is our current economic capacity, which will eventually erode from our economic burdens (slowly but consistently). Our military budget is about equivalent to our current federal welfare spending. But States and local governments do not have any significant military budgets, and most of their spending goes to welfare as well.

    Plus politicians cannot help but to pander to our unproductive afros with more entitlement goodies. That is becoming the central role of the federal government (competing with the military industrial complex), and has already become the central role of our cities and most of our urban States.

    The process of reducing other government services for entitlements is already happening in our cities & urban States for about the last 25 years. This will eventually have to happen on the Federal level as well in order to sustain the unsustainable entitlements. So eventually, in the long term, every govt service will be drastically reduced to accommodate afros, who will show no appreciation for these sacrifices that keep their gravy train going.

    Yes I have been in Black ghettos thousands of times (not an exaggeration) picking up the garbage… the part that the alcohol and cigarettes is engineered is utter nonsense. Companies seek profits, and afro ghettos are full of these vices, thus they sell in the ghettos. If afros didn’t buy it, the corporatist couldn’t sell it. I never saw any businessmen forcing afros to smoke & drink in the ghetto.
    But as usual we can never hold afros accountable for their own bad behavior.

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    ' I never saw any businessmen forcing afros to smoke & drink in the ghetto.
    But as usual we can never hold afros accountable for their own bad behavior.'

    We all know very well that advertising works. You forgot to address the point of crack. Was that engineered?
    I've already agreed that American black ghetto behavior is the worst, and never said they deserve no blame. But they certainly don't deserve ALL the blame, and corporations and the US Govt are their only rivals in rapaciousness.
  133. It is chiefly in the United States that those who can’t, haven’t, and aren’t likely to, constantly attack those who can and have. Note that while they rail and fume and grouse, they depend utterly on a world created by the people about whom they rail and grouse. To them you might reasonably say, “Come back and talk to me when you have done something worth talking about.” A great silence would follow.

    OK, why bother with it?

    The way is open for someone to found an American Independence Party, which is based on America First, and the platform that got Trump elected.

    They could “walk the talk” and take care to exclude all the Special Interests that Trump is allying with – and while they’re at it, they could exclude Trump as well.

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  134. @kemerd
    You do not mention Russians in your article; assuming, I suppose, they are white. But, they are certainly not only white.

    In any case, the proud owner of any achievement is the people who actually are responsible for the deed, not the race he belongs to. There is indeed an impact of the culture that allows/hinders creative people thrive but this is about culture, and country, and certainly not race.

    You, sir, are indeed racist.

    You don’t get to play this tune after decades of grossly overinflating the esteem of other races while damning whites at every turn.

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  135. @Santoculto

    We began building these things in 1137.
     
    ... we were responsible for black slavery....

    “… we were responsible for black slavery….”

    You’re an Arab Trader?

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  136. @Santoculto

    We began building these things in 1137.
     
    ... we were responsible for black slavery....

    slavery was never based on race……..slavery is not a white “invention” and, I hate to say this, but only a complete idiot would think otherwise.

    so, are you?

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  137. @Corvinus
    "Who’s we, Kemosabe?"

    Hey, that's MY line, you horse thief. Get your own phrase.

    "Negroes cheerfully enslaved each other and sold their co-Africans to the highest bidder-Arab, Jew, European."

    Negroes and whites, yes.

    "Oh, and Arabs captured and enslaved Europeans."

    So, enslavement is a HUMAN endeavor, right?

    "And, to be blunt, how badly did enslaved Negroes do in the American South?"

    Well, they were taken from their homelands, shackled, put on a ship, sold to the highest bidder, and toiled until they died. All in all, pretty well.

    “and toiled until they died”

    so not much has changed then…….that pretty much sums up my existence.

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  138. I seem to recall that someone stated that a black man invented the coupling device where cars on a train are linked together. I am sure there is something else to report but I will have to do some digging to find another such invention. Other than a 360 spin slam dunk with windmill action.

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    "Eli H. Janney (November 12, 1831 – June 16, 1912), was the inventor of the modern knuckle coupler that replaced link and pin couplers on North American railroads."

    "In the American Civil War, Janney achieved the rank of major for the Confederate States of America, and served on the staff of General Robert E. Lee."

    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eli_H._Janney

  139. @Wally
    The Blues are derived from church music and European folk music.
    The 1-4-5 chord progression goes back much farther than slavery.
    I don't doubt blacks added their touch, but lets be truly honest about it.

    You been watching too much of that hapless shabbos goy, Ken Burns.

    Thanks.

    Well spotted. I had forgotten how church music and European folk music was renowned for its rhythm and the flattened 7th. Not that it detracts from the point I tried to make however.

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    Yes it does detract, you are simply wrong.
    I suggest you did not forget, you just never knew.

    Rhythm and the flat 7 are as old as music.
    Not to mention classical music which contains every chord & interval use, rhythm, and time signature known to man.
    Granted, none were as repetitive and as simple a format as blues.
    But as I said, I do credit blacks in some of this.

    You really need to turn off the TV and start listening to more music.

    , @Stebbing Heuer
    Mozart's command of the dominant seventh chord was masterful. His music also sometimes incorporates syncopation.

    Both appear in the sacred music that he composed for church services.
  140. And you missed my favorite to throw at the femminazis:

    The modern tampon was invented by a white guy.

    Pisses them off every time.

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    • Replies: @Thales the Milesian
    Also, the G-spot was discovered by a white man.

    Bartholinian glands were discovered by a white man from Denmark.

    Why women, while masturbating for millennia, could not find them?

    Not too smart these feminazis!
    , @dcite
    As long as you specify "modern" Invention indeed. It was the latest take on an old theme, like most "inventions.". Because those things have been around thousands of years in different cultures, devised by those who used them, and who did not depend on some stranger to do it for them.
    I once heard an old lady interviewed whose female ancestors had a family business making tamponic implements they designed, very similar to the 20th c. product. They even did condoms sometimes. For a while, they had a lot of showgirls as their customers, but it was just word of mouth and small scale. She didn't claim her ancestor invented anything, only that her skill and design was very good; similar implements had always been used.
    Alas, when the new fangled kind came around, their cottage industry collapsed, although the old lady recalled that their product offered much the same as the new one. It was their own fault for not getting it out to the waiting masses. Modern advertising, fewer clothes, modern advertising, the imprimatur of modern medicine. Perfect storm. If only she had had the foresight to buy an add in the Chicago Tribune, she could have been a contender.
  141. @joef

    they are too dense to realize that they are still hated by non-whites. Their over the top virtue signaling just makes them useful idiots.
     
    It is kind of a strange symbiotic relationship that SJW Whites and angry Afro Americans have with each other (or should I say using each other). The Afros use the SJWs to help them to promote a blame whitey agenda for further privileges, and the SJWs use Afros to promote their flawed egocentric social/economic agenda.

    And the rest of us who want no part of it (including good faith Blacks, as opposed to antisocial afros) are in for the ride, that will eventually lead off the economic cliff (into social instability). If we only can eliminate one of them, I would say the SJW (New Left progs) because they are the political power base. Without their political interference, we can then impose order upon the chaos.

    The alternative is a steady long term economic decline, leading into regions of failed state like conditions, which devolves into a afro race war (when the money to pay the extortion, oops i mean, entitlements runs out). And given the choice to prevent this, I rather eliminate the primary source of the problem, which is the New Left SJW thinking. Their only output is irrational cultural instability, thus being productively useless, their elimination would be of no consequence to the society at large.

    The Dems have slapped together a coalition of the Privileged, the Parasites and the Perverts and seriously seem to think they can beat the Productive.

    I believe much merriment will ensue.

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  142. @Che Guava
    You shouldn't be thanking 'The Grate Deign'.

    As ringo pointed out in post 21 (and I was about to), the Deign's answer was wrong on the most basic point (what do the equations describe?).

    They also do not describe a distribution, just the ideal currents on each pin.

    I saw the correction – just glad to know what the equations were about – I’m not an EE. Thanks for the corrections.

    I like the symmetry in them, which means they represent basic theory.

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  143. @geokat62

    He also introduced the term ‘sexual revolution’, was very obsessed with sex, and wrote ‘The Function of the Orgasm’, which he felt was at the root of all society’s ills.
     
    Seems like Reich had taken a page from Georg Lukacs' playbook:

    In 1919, Georg Lukacs became Deputy Commissar for Culture in the short-lived Bolshevik Bela Kun regime in Hungary. He immediately set plans in motion to de-Christianize Hungary. Reasoning that if Christian sexual ethics could be undermined among children, then both the hated patriarchal family and the Church would be dealt a crippling blow. Lukacs launched a radical sex education program in the schools. Sex lectures were organized and literature handed out which graphically instructed youth in free love (promiscuity) and sexual intercourse while simultaneously encouraging them to deride and reject Christian moral ethics, monogamy, and parental and church authority. All of this was accompanied by a reign of cultural terror perpetrated against parents, priests, and dissenters.

    Hungary's youth, having been fed a steady diet of values-neutral (atheism) and radical sex education while simultaneously encouraged to rebel against all authority, easily turned into delinquents ranging from bullies and petty thieves to sex predators, murderers, and sociopaths.

    Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/02/cultural_marxism.html#ixzz4eLxUrNql
    Follow us: @AmericanThinker on Twitter | AmericanThinker on Facebook
     

    thank you, i’d no idea about lukacs

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  144. @joef
    As for military expenditures, you are correct if you mean that there is a huge military industrial congressional complex that has a vested interest in keeping military budgets high. However that does not mean that it will never be reduced. We did have significant base closures, and military unit disbandments in the 90s (some of which affected some of my friends personally).

    The only thing that is keeping military spending going at the present rate is our current economic capacity, which will eventually erode from our economic burdens (slowly but consistently). Our military budget is about equivalent to our current federal welfare spending. But States and local governments do not have any significant military budgets, and most of their spending goes to welfare as well.

    Plus politicians cannot help but to pander to our unproductive afros with more entitlement goodies. That is becoming the central role of the federal government (competing with the military industrial complex), and has already become the central role of our cities and most of our urban States.

    The process of reducing other government services for entitlements is already happening in our cities & urban States for about the last 25 years. This will eventually have to happen on the Federal level as well in order to sustain the unsustainable entitlements. So eventually, in the long term, every govt service will be drastically reduced to accommodate afros, who will show no appreciation for these sacrifices that keep their gravy train going.

    Yes I have been in Black ghettos thousands of times (not an exaggeration) picking up the garbage... the part that the alcohol and cigarettes is engineered is utter nonsense. Companies seek profits, and afro ghettos are full of these vices, thus they sell in the ghettos. If afros didn't buy it, the corporatist couldn't sell it. I never saw any businessmen forcing afros to smoke & drink in the ghetto.
    But as usual we can never hold afros accountable for their own bad behavior.

    ‘ I never saw any businessmen forcing afros to smoke & drink in the ghetto.
    But as usual we can never hold afros accountable for their own bad behavior.’

    We all know very well that advertising works. You forgot to address the point of crack. Was that engineered?
    I’ve already agreed that American black ghetto behavior is the worst, and never said they deserve no blame. But they certainly don’t deserve ALL the blame, and corporations and the US Govt are their only rivals in rapaciousness.

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    Yes advertisement works for the weak willed and the self indulgent. Corporations will advertise where they can get the most output regardless of the race of the community. White money, for alcohol and cigarettes, is just as good as Black money to corporate profits. And yes the one liberal mantra i do tend to agree with is that corporatist do put profits before people. So I do not believe that corporatist would neglect advertising in White neighborhoods if they thought it would be effective in generating profits.

    But even with advertisement, I will expand my prior statement with: I never seen a businessman put cigarettes/alcohol into anyones hands who did not want to use them.

    I never said that ghetto afros deserve all the blame for everything (only the blame for there own destructive actions).

    And yes I heard the allegations by newspaper reporter Gary Webb & LAPD Det Michael Ruppert that the CIA was involved in the CRACK trade in Los Angeles; but even if such a story were true, does it mean that all CRACK sales involved the CIA in every city? Does that potential fact remove all culpability from ghetto afros for selling the stuff in the streets (It certainly wasn't the CIA directly pitching it on the corners).

    And I disagree that corporatist and statist are rivals. I believe that they are mostly cooperative in getting their respective individual agendas achieved; and in regards to globalism, their goals are practically one and the same, albeit for different reasons (corporate profits from cheap labor vs the supplanting of the nation state with supranationalism).

    Both sides have their useful idiots: Corporations are not the bastions of conservative capitalism that many naive Republican voters believe. They fully participate in the social engineering policies of progressive government. And the Democrat voters naively believe that elitist progressives, representing statist interest, really care more about helping the downtrodden than obtaining government totalitarian control of the masses. The only thing that will prevent the statist from permanently achieving their socialist fantasy is that eventually the money will run out through continuous economic decline. And we will all suffer for it.
  145. @kemerd
    You do not mention Russians in your article; assuming, I suppose, they are white. But, they are certainly not only white.

    In any case, the proud owner of any achievement is the people who actually are responsible for the deed, not the race he belongs to. There is indeed an impact of the culture that allows/hinders creative people thrive but this is about culture, and country, and certainly not race.

    You, sir, are indeed racist.

    You could not be more wrong. Culture is almost entirely race based. See comment 113.

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  146. @hyperbola
    Perhaps one should do some research before making assertions.

    Japan has a strong domestic programme based on the High Energy Accelerator Research Organization (KEK) and the Kamioka Laboratory, and is currently operating KEK-B, the BELLE experiment, the J-PARC facility for nuclear and particle physics and the T2K long-baseline neutrino experiment. Japan made an important contribution to the OPAL experiment at LEP, as well as to CHORUS and the AD facility. Japan made a very important financial and technical contribution to the LHC accelerator, as well as to ATLAS via KEK, Tokyo and other universities. Japanese institutions have also joined ALICE and LHCf. Japan is a special Observer State, with the right to attend restricted Council sessions for discussions of LHC matters.
    Japan contributed to the material costs of Phase 1 of the WLCG at CERN and is now contributing to deployment of the WLCG with a Tier-2 centre. Japan is also a key contributor to the OPERA (link is external) experiment, principally via Nagoya University, and to the ASACUSAand ALPHA experiments at the AD, and also participates in fixed-target experiments. Japan also collaborates to the COMPASS, DIRAC, MERIT, NA61 and nTOFexperiments. Japan is one of the principal proponents of a future linear collider, and is also making a valuable contribution to CLIC R&D, where KEK has important relevant expertise.
    CERN and KEK signed a framework agreement in 2009 and a CERN-KEK Committee was set up to advise the two laboratories on their future collaboration, including contributions to R&D on LHC upgrades.
    https://international-relations.web.cern.ch/stakeholder-relations/states/japan

    hyperbola,

    Yes, as someone with a Ph.D. in elementary-particle physics, I will confirm that Japan plays a serious role in this field — it goes back at least to Yukawa’s work in the early twentieth century.

    But, as important as the historical role of France, Germany, Britain, or the US?

    No. Just obviously no to anyone familiar with the field.

    Dave Miller in Sacramento

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  147. @Hannah Katz
    I seem to recall that someone stated that a black man invented the coupling device where cars on a train are linked together. I am sure there is something else to report but I will have to do some digging to find another such invention. Other than a 360 spin slam dunk with windmill action.

    “Eli H. Janney (November 12, 1831 – June 16, 1912), was the inventor of the modern knuckle coupler that replaced link and pin couplers on North American railroads.”

    “In the American Civil War, Janney achieved the rank of major for the Confederate States of America, and served on the staff of General Robert E. Lee.”

    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eli_H._Janney

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  148. @Jus' Sayin'...
    I have a BA in physics and mathematics from a top US university. I briefly continued to do specialized, low level work in those areas before moving on to grad school in another mathematical discipline. I do not recognize the equations described as White man cave art. Would some more knowledgeable reader please enlighten me with sufficient information that I can learn more about these equations.

    To (slightly) correct an earlier commenter, these are the basic equations for the operation of a bipolar transistor. (I was a semiconductor device physicist at one point in my career.)

    It gets a lot more complex if you want to model it more accurately.

    And, the physics behind those equations — well, it took a number of geniuses to work out all that phsyics over the last few centuries.

    Dave Miller in Sacramento

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  149. @Brewer
    Well spotted. I had forgotten how church music and European folk music was renowned for its rhythm and the flattened 7th. Not that it detracts from the point I tried to make however.

    Yes it does detract, you are simply wrong.
    I suggest you did not forget, you just never knew.

    Rhythm and the flat 7 are as old as music.
    Not to mention classical music which contains every chord & interval use, rhythm, and time signature known to man.
    Granted, none were as repetitive and as simple a format as blues.
    But as I said, I do credit blacks in some of this.

    You really need to turn off the TV and start listening to more music.

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  150. @Bliss

    The important thing is understanding that intellectual advance comes from some groups and not others.
     
    What intellectual advance came from Northern Europeans until very recently (less than a thousand years ago)?

    Africans built the Pyramids, the Great Sphinx, the Temple of Karnak (which was bigger and grander than any cathedral) thousands of years before your ancestors emerged into history from their bogs and forests. It is utterly silly of you to claim credit for inventing geometry in light of the above fact.

    Ditto for claiming to have invented algebra and the algorithm. Truly shameless.

    And the very numeral system you use, without which modern science and technology is inconceivable, comes from the black and brown people of the Indian subcontinent....

    And by the way the greatest writer of symphonies, Beethoven, would be considered a black man in America.

    “And by the way, the greatest writer of symphonies, Beethoven, would be considered a black man in America.”

    Would you please elaborate, I find this statement somewhat puzzling!

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  151. @Bliss

    The important thing is understanding that intellectual advance comes from some groups and not others.
     
    What intellectual advance came from Northern Europeans until very recently (less than a thousand years ago)?

    Africans built the Pyramids, the Great Sphinx, the Temple of Karnak (which was bigger and grander than any cathedral) thousands of years before your ancestors emerged into history from their bogs and forests. It is utterly silly of you to claim credit for inventing geometry in light of the above fact.

    Ditto for claiming to have invented algebra and the algorithm. Truly shameless.

    And the very numeral system you use, without which modern science and technology is inconceivable, comes from the black and brown people of the Indian subcontinent....

    And by the way the greatest writer of symphonies, Beethoven, would be considered a black man in America.

    “the greatest writer of symphonies, Beethoven, would be considered a black man in America”

    No biographer of Beethoven takes this silly idea seriously.

    What’s more, it’s been rejected by Dominique-Rene de Lerma, the leading expert on blacks/Africans in classical music:

    http://africlassical.blogspot.com/2007/12/dominique-ren-de-lerma-beethoven-as.html

    A comprehensive list of composers of African descent. Beethoven is not on it:

    http://chevalierdesaintgeorges.homestead.com/Others.html

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  152. @Bill Jones
    And you missed my favorite to throw at the femminazis:

    The modern tampon was invented by a white guy.

    Pisses them off every time.

    Also, the G-spot was discovered by a white man.

    Bartholinian glands were discovered by a white man from Denmark.

    Why women, while masturbating for millennia, could not find them?

    Not too smart these feminazis!

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  153. @Negrolphin Pool
    I'm very confident a researcher could easily find cases where 1) the slave or newly ex-slave was granted freedom and 2) they had a credible offer of livelihood elsewhere and 3) declined the offer, opting to remain with their former owners.

    That's an admittedly cop-out response but I don't have time now to look into it further. The link in my earlier post, however, should be suggestive to the impartial reader. But I'll concede you a win because of my unwillingness to follow through.

    The point in question is an important one, though. Your contention that the facts of paid work and freedom to leave at will, however immutable (they weren't) are proof of slavery's absolute inferiority to wage-slavery is naive and should be properly eviscerated.

    “I’m very confident a researcher could easily find cases where 1) the slave or newly ex-slave was granted freedom and 2) they had a credible offer of livelihood elsewhere and 3) declined the offer, opting to remain with their former owners.”

    Indeed, as I have read the primary sources. The point, however, is that given the choice between 1) being left alone in Africa and living their own life OR 2) being captured and transported against their will to a foreign land, the black man would select 1).

    “The point in question is an important one, though. Your contention that the facts of paid work and freedom to leave at will, however immutable (they weren’t) are proof of slavery’s absolute inferiority to wage-slavery is naive and should be properly eviscerated.”

    Spoken like a planation owner. Yes, industrial giants of the North exploited labor. But the fundamental difference between slavery and wage slavery is that the factory worker, despite their foul treatment by their employer, had liberties and the legal recourse to change their condition, compared to their black brethren.

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    The point, however, is that given the choice between 1) being left alone in Africa and living their own life OR 2) being captured and transported against their will to a foreign land, the black man would select 1).
     
    The white man also would have been better off with 1).
  154. @geokat62
    Corvy, silly Corvy.

    Still referencing that silly article, I see. Even after I demonstrated that the figures quoted by Prof. Martin were indeed factual as they were based on Jewish demographic studies that revealed that 75% of Jewish households owned slaves, compared to 36% of white households, across the 14 slave states in 1830.

    “Even after I demonstrated that the figures quoted…”

    Only by twisting and turning the data. We’ve been down this road before.

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    Only by twisting and turning the data.
     
    By posting the original Jewish sources as viewable images?
  155. @Rich
    I'm going to assume it makes you feel virtuous to come out against slavery. I think most Americans and most Europeans are willing to concede that slavery is wrong. I think the Europeans were the first to outlaw it.

    To say that European workers "earned wages and enjoyed fundamental freedoms" is, I guess, technically true. But perhaps you should do a little research and see the conditions under which many of these people lived, and worked. It was no picnic and the subsistence wages they lived on were barely enough to keep their families fed and healthy. They weren't slaves, some were indentured servants, however, and others suffered tremendously in factories and mines. Do you really want to compare which suffering was worse? Is there even a point to that? How about we say both groups suffered, albeit in different circumstances? Enough with this constant guilt-mongering.

    “I think most Americans and most Europeans are willing to concede that slavery is wrong.”

    Apparently not Diversity Heretic.

    “Do you really want to compare which suffering was worse? Is there even a point to that? How about we say both groups suffered, albeit in different circumstances? Enough with this constant guilt-mongering.”

    Again, talk to Diversity Heretic.

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  156. @daniel le mouche
    ' I never saw any businessmen forcing afros to smoke & drink in the ghetto.
    But as usual we can never hold afros accountable for their own bad behavior.'

    We all know very well that advertising works. You forgot to address the point of crack. Was that engineered?
    I've already agreed that American black ghetto behavior is the worst, and never said they deserve no blame. But they certainly don't deserve ALL the blame, and corporations and the US Govt are their only rivals in rapaciousness.

    Yes advertisement works for the weak willed and the self indulgent. Corporations will advertise where they can get the most output regardless of the race of the community. White money, for alcohol and cigarettes, is just as good as Black money to corporate profits. And yes the one liberal mantra i do tend to agree with is that corporatist do put profits before people. So I do not believe that corporatist would neglect advertising in White neighborhoods if they thought it would be effective in generating profits.

    But even with advertisement, I will expand my prior statement with: I never seen a businessman put cigarettes/alcohol into anyones hands who did not want to use them.

    I never said that ghetto afros deserve all the blame for everything (only the blame for there own destructive actions).

    And yes I heard the allegations by newspaper reporter Gary Webb & LAPD Det Michael Ruppert that the CIA was involved in the CRACK trade in Los Angeles; but even if such a story were true, does it mean that all CRACK sales involved the CIA in every city? Does that potential fact remove all culpability from ghetto afros for selling the stuff in the streets (It certainly wasn’t the CIA directly pitching it on the corners).

    And I disagree that corporatist and statist are rivals. I believe that they are mostly cooperative in getting their respective individual agendas achieved; and in regards to globalism, their goals are practically one and the same, albeit for different reasons (corporate profits from cheap labor vs the supplanting of the nation state with supranationalism).

    Both sides have their useful idiots: Corporations are not the bastions of conservative capitalism that many naive Republican voters believe. They fully participate in the social engineering policies of progressive government. And the Democrat voters naively believe that elitist progressives, representing statist interest, really care more about helping the downtrodden than obtaining government totalitarian control of the masses. The only thing that will prevent the statist from permanently achieving their socialist fantasy is that eventually the money will run out through continuous economic decline. And we will all suffer for it.

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  157. @Wally
    Poor hasbarist Corvinus,

    That empty, debunked article again?

    Jordan does nothing to refute Martin, he merely offers hapless Jew demanded opinion, no empirical data whatsoever. Calling Martin 'antisemitic' is his best shot.
    Leftist Jordan knows who butters his bread.

    http://wethoughttheywerewhite.weebly.com/uploads/5/3/4/9/53499197/1507471.jpg?717

    You lose again, see these jpgs, perhaps these names are just 'good old boys'.

    JEWS AND THE SLAVE TRADE
    http://wethoughttheywerewhite.weebly.com/jews--the-slave-trade.html

    http://wethoughttheywerewhite.weebly.com/uploads/5/3/4/9/53499197/6585841.jpg?296
    http://wethoughttheywerewhite.weebly.com/uploads/5/3/4/9/53499197/8785931.jpg?277
    http://wethoughttheywerewhite.weebly.com/uploads/5/3/4/9/53499197/3328022_orig.jpg
    http://wethoughttheywerewhite.weebly.com/uploads/5/3/4/9/53499197/892816_orig.jpg
    http://wethoughttheywerewhite.weebly.com/uploads/5/3/4/9/53499197/1507471.jpg?717

    “That empty, debunked article again? Jordan does nothing to refute Martin.”

    You’re going to have to use that pointy head of yours to prove how and why Jordan’s position on Martin has been debunked. That will prove difficult given you are neck deep in confirmation bias.

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  158. @Bill Jones
    And you missed my favorite to throw at the femminazis:

    The modern tampon was invented by a white guy.

    Pisses them off every time.

    As long as you specify “modern” Invention indeed. It was the latest take on an old theme, like most “inventions.”. Because those things have been around thousands of years in different cultures, devised by those who used them, and who did not depend on some stranger to do it for them.
    I once heard an old lady interviewed whose female ancestors had a family business making tamponic implements they designed, very similar to the 20th c. product. They even did condoms sometimes. For a while, they had a lot of showgirls as their customers, but it was just word of mouth and small scale. She didn’t claim her ancestor invented anything, only that her skill and design was very good; similar implements had always been used.
    Alas, when the new fangled kind came around, their cottage industry collapsed, although the old lady recalled that their product offered much the same as the new one. It was their own fault for not getting it out to the waiting masses. Modern advertising, fewer clothes, modern advertising, the imprimatur of modern medicine. Perfect storm. If only she had had the foresight to buy an add in the Chicago Tribune, she could have been a contender.

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  159. @Bliss

    The important thing is understanding that intellectual advance comes from some groups and not others.
     
    What intellectual advance came from Northern Europeans until very recently (less than a thousand years ago)?

    Africans built the Pyramids, the Great Sphinx, the Temple of Karnak (which was bigger and grander than any cathedral) thousands of years before your ancestors emerged into history from their bogs and forests. It is utterly silly of you to claim credit for inventing geometry in light of the above fact.

    Ditto for claiming to have invented algebra and the algorithm. Truly shameless.

    And the very numeral system you use, without which modern science and technology is inconceivable, comes from the black and brown people of the Indian subcontinent....

    And by the way the greatest writer of symphonies, Beethoven, would be considered a black man in America.

    A Jewish guy tried to tell me that one time, when i was a liberal too. I knew it was absurd, considering what we know of Beethoven. I’ve seen his death mask. Strictly European. There are some weird fantasies along these lines. Another Jewish person tried to tell me a black had invented the cotton gin of all things. I told her it Eli Whitney, a white man. Perhaps she had confused that name with Whitney Houston.

    For some reason SOME Jewish people love to attribute white achievements to blacks, as long as the putative white is a gentile. This even seems to be organized, perhaps ala Saul Alinsky.

    As for being considered “a black man in America”, this 2017, not 1910. He would be considered whatever he felt like being considered or he’d sue a bunch of white people for oppression.

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  160. @Truth

    You have a point. Most of the diagrams and description of slave ships and the conditions of slavery (savage overseers whipping mothers and babies) comes from anti-slavery campaigns. These are the images now used to illustrate the history of slavery. The barbarity of the Middle Passage was not usually loose pack or tight pack, if ever.
     
    Well that's an interesting (albeit not entirely original) response to what I wrote; "slavery did happen, but we were really, really nice to them, it was really more like the Boy Scouts. it's just those damn Lib-urr-uhls who make it sound worse than it was!"

    LMAO.

    The ultimate point of the video, and the theory, my friend, is that THE TRANS-ATLANTIC SLAVE TRADE IS A COMPLETE HOAX. Never happened, black people WERE the native Americans (along with some Asiatic types who had no resistance to smallpox). Now I'm not saying that I buy this, because I have not had time to research it, but I think it is strange that there is not has has never been ONE EXAMPLE FOUND OF AN ACTUAL SLAVE SHIP. When you consider that white people will refurbish 300 year old pencil and put it under a temperature controlled glass. This strikes me as strange.

    This is one of only two logical theories as to the slave trade that I have read, and, believe it or not, the other one is probably even stranger.

    No hoax whatsoever:
    Robert Harms, Das Sklavenschiff, Eine Reise in die Welt des Sklavenhandels’, München 2007 (The Diligent, New York, 2001)
    A thoroughly resarched book, all over the world, but based mainly on French court records, the owners of the ship ssued the captain, their profit was too low.
    Unbelievable how christians treated humans, with the excuse that they would not enter hell as heathens, but heaven as christians.
    Those that survived the Atlantic transport entered heaven on average after seven years.
    Except for making eunuchs, also horrible, Muslims treated their slaves far better

    The yearly consumption of slaves of the much admired Roman empire is estimated as high as ten million a year.
    Recent excavations of Roman villa’s at Pompeï have led to the conclusion that each house functioned on some fifty slaves.

    Writing this I must think of present day cruise ships, the multitude of mainly Philippinos deep below never see daylight during a six months or so employment.

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    Hey JD,

    One note on this...


    Except for making eunuchs, also horrible, Muslims treated their slaves far better
     
    The Muslim world (no doubt) is generally guilty of providing the demand for eunuchs (note they were also in demand in Byzantium), but making/manufacturing was mostly done by non-Muslims:
    “Mutilation was forbidden by Muslim law, and a specific ban on castration was invested with the authority of the Prophet by a hadith: ‘Whoever cuts off the nose of a slave, his nose will be cut off; and whoever castrates a slave, him also shall we castrate.’…The letter, if not spirit, of the law was long observed by leaving to those beyond the territorial limits of Islam the act of castration and then importing the product. In the Middle Ages, Prague and Verdun became castration centers for the supply of European eunuchs; Kharazon, near the Caspian Sea, a center for the supply of central Asian ones. Further circumventions, on Islamic territory, were pursued on the basis that the operations were conducted by non-Muslims. In the tenth-century Islamic Spain, Jewish merchants reportedly performed the operation. In the nineteenth century, Christian monks ran a castration center at their monastery of Deir al-Jandala near Abu Tig, a small town in Upper Egypt.”
    Islam’s Black Slaves: The Other Black Diaspora

    “This ‘making,’ the act of castration, was and is forbidden under Islamic law. Slave traders, at least in theory, castrated young boys on the borders of the Islamic realm before importing them. This legal fiction, however was still troubling to some pious scholars. Al-Subki ends his chapter with the statement that one can find in the books of the Hanafi legal school that its founder, Abu Hanifa, declared the taking of eunuchs into one’s service reprehensible (yukrah), not forbidden (yuhram), because making use of eunuchs was ‘an abetment of castration, which is [a] prohibited [act].”
    Eunuchs and Sacred Boundaries in Islamic Society

    It really sucks that the population did not heed the advice of the scholars. Demand from the Muslim world which drove the economic stimulus for such practices in the non-Muslim world is a blight on our history.


    present day cruise ships, the multitude of mainly Philippinos deep below
     
    Wow! Modern day galley slaves - man, I had no clue. Will definitely think twice about going on a cruise.

    Peace.

  161. @Brewer
    Whites are good at technology, the foundation stone of consumerism.
    Blacks invented the blues, foundation stone of all modern music. A black man invented passive resistance.
    I learned humanism and non-judgmental empathy from my black wife.
    Different strokes.
    Be nice if we learned from each other.

    I hope your black wife is more empathetic and non-judgmental than these. they are not unique.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUSE75euZXU

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  162. @Brewer
    Well spotted. I had forgotten how church music and European folk music was renowned for its rhythm and the flattened 7th. Not that it detracts from the point I tried to make however.

    Mozart’s command of the dominant seventh chord was masterful. His music also sometimes incorporates syncopation.

    Both appear in the sacred music that he composed for church services.

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  163. @Hive-mind
    I don't ever recall getting rewarded for another's accomplishments, simply because I share a similar skin color with them. Nor do I ever recall agreeing with another person for that reason.
    I have never been able to understand blaming an entire race for the mistakes or ill-intent of a few.
    Same thing goes for taking pride in my race. Pride is something to be taken in something you had contributed to with hard work, ideas or something of inherent value. Taking pride in one's race is just as ridiculous and needlessly divisive as blaming an entire race for the same arbitrary trait.
    Culture is one thing, but it is not the same as skin color or race. There are a myriad of varying attributes that make up each individual and their motives/reasons for doing, thinking, acting the way they do.

    Agree with Truth here – good post. Nobody decides which womb bears them. If a person is born into a people who are doing well and have good qualities; the spiritually daft thing to do is be arrogant about it, the proper conduct is to be thankful for one’s blessings.

    Peace.

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  164. @jilles dykstra
    No hoax whatsoever:
    Robert Harms, Das Sklavenschiff, Eine Reise in die Welt des Sklavenhandels’, München 2007 (The Diligent, New York, 2001)
    A thoroughly resarched book, all over the world, but based mainly on French court records, the owners of the ship ssued the captain, their profit was too low.
    Unbelievable how christians treated humans, with the excuse that they would not enter hell as heathens, but heaven as christians.
    Those that survived the Atlantic transport entered heaven on average after seven years.
    Except for making eunuchs, also horrible, Muslims treated their slaves far better

    The yearly consumption of slaves of the much admired Roman empire is estimated as high as ten million a year.
    Recent excavations of Roman villa's at Pompeï have led to the conclusion that each house functioned on some fifty slaves.

    Writing this I must think of present day cruise ships, the multitude of mainly Philippinos deep below never see daylight during a six months or so employment.

    Hey JD,

    One note on this…

    Except for making eunuchs, also horrible, Muslims treated their slaves far better

    The Muslim world (no doubt) is generally guilty of providing the demand for eunuchs (note they were also in demand in Byzantium), but making/manufacturing was mostly done by non-Muslims:
    “Mutilation was forbidden by Muslim law, and a specific ban on castration was invested with the authority of the Prophet by a hadith: ‘Whoever cuts off the nose of a slave, his nose will be cut off; and whoever castrates a slave, him also shall we castrate.’…The letter, if not spirit, of the law was long observed by leaving to those beyond the territorial limits of Islam the act of castration and then importing the product. In the Middle Ages, Prague and Verdun became castration centers for the supply of European eunuchs; Kharazon, near the Caspian Sea, a center for the supply of central Asian ones. Further circumventions, on Islamic territory, were pursued on the basis that the operations were conducted by non-Muslims. In the tenth-century Islamic Spain, Jewish merchants reportedly performed the operation. In the nineteenth century, Christian monks ran a castration center at their monastery of Deir al-Jandala near Abu Tig, a small town in Upper Egypt.”
    Islam’s Black Slaves: The Other Black Diaspora

    “This ‘making,’ the act of castration, was and is forbidden under Islamic law. Slave traders, at least in theory, castrated young boys on the borders of the Islamic realm before importing them. This legal fiction, however was still troubling to some pious scholars. Al-Subki ends his chapter with the statement that one can find in the books of the Hanafi legal school that its founder, Abu Hanifa, declared the taking of eunuchs into one’s service reprehensible (yukrah), not forbidden (yuhram), because making use of eunuchs was ‘an abetment of castration, which is [a] prohibited [act].”
    Eunuchs and Sacred Boundaries in Islamic Society

    It really sucks that the population did not heed the advice of the scholars. Demand from the Muslim world which drove the economic stimulus for such practices in the non-Muslim world is a blight on our history.

    present day cruise ships, the multitude of mainly Philippinos deep below

    Wow! Modern day galley slaves – man, I had no clue. Will definitely think twice about going on a cruise.

    Peace.

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    Did not know that making eunuchs was forbidden by Islam.
    Nevertheless, if I hire a murderer am I not guilty ?
    But if eunuchs were needed by real Muslims can be questioned.
    Muslims are allowed only four wives, eunuchs guarded harems.
    I for one never saw the Ottoman rulers as real Muslims, they were as Islamic as Saddam Hussein, I think.
    Just today in a tv discussion in the Netherlands on French presidential candidate Macron it was said that he resembles a 17th century French cardinal, and that these cardinals like Richelieu did much for France.
    I think that what they did was good for France is debatable, what is not debatable is that they were very bad as christians.
    Likewise many cannot see former Banque de Rothschildt banker Macron as a socialist.
  165. @Santoculto

    We began building these things in 1137.
     
    ... we were responsible for black slavery....

    Ha ha ha ha!!! I normally reject the stupid,childish ad hominem stuff,but,dude you are an idiot.
    Less o’course you’re a Jew or a Moslem…

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  166. @Talha
    Hey JD,

    One note on this...


    Except for making eunuchs, also horrible, Muslims treated their slaves far better
     
    The Muslim world (no doubt) is generally guilty of providing the demand for eunuchs (note they were also in demand in Byzantium), but making/manufacturing was mostly done by non-Muslims:
    “Mutilation was forbidden by Muslim law, and a specific ban on castration was invested with the authority of the Prophet by a hadith: ‘Whoever cuts off the nose of a slave, his nose will be cut off; and whoever castrates a slave, him also shall we castrate.’…The letter, if not spirit, of the law was long observed by leaving to those beyond the territorial limits of Islam the act of castration and then importing the product. In the Middle Ages, Prague and Verdun became castration centers for the supply of European eunuchs; Kharazon, near the Caspian Sea, a center for the supply of central Asian ones. Further circumventions, on Islamic territory, were pursued on the basis that the operations were conducted by non-Muslims. In the tenth-century Islamic Spain, Jewish merchants reportedly performed the operation. In the nineteenth century, Christian monks ran a castration center at their monastery of Deir al-Jandala near Abu Tig, a small town in Upper Egypt.”
    Islam’s Black Slaves: The Other Black Diaspora

    “This ‘making,’ the act of castration, was and is forbidden under Islamic law. Slave traders, at least in theory, castrated young boys on the borders of the Islamic realm before importing them. This legal fiction, however was still troubling to some pious scholars. Al-Subki ends his chapter with the statement that one can find in the books of the Hanafi legal school that its founder, Abu Hanifa, declared the taking of eunuchs into one’s service reprehensible (yukrah), not forbidden (yuhram), because making use of eunuchs was ‘an abetment of castration, which is [a] prohibited [act].”
    Eunuchs and Sacred Boundaries in Islamic Society

    It really sucks that the population did not heed the advice of the scholars. Demand from the Muslim world which drove the economic stimulus for such practices in the non-Muslim world is a blight on our history.


    present day cruise ships, the multitude of mainly Philippinos deep below
     
    Wow! Modern day galley slaves - man, I had no clue. Will definitely think twice about going on a cruise.

    Peace.

    Did not know that making eunuchs was forbidden by Islam.
    Nevertheless, if I hire a murderer am I not guilty ?
    But if eunuchs were needed by real Muslims can be questioned.
    Muslims are allowed only four wives, eunuchs guarded harems.
    I for one never saw the Ottoman rulers as real Muslims, they were as Islamic as Saddam Hussein, I think.
    Just today in a tv discussion in the Netherlands on French presidential candidate Macron it was said that he resembles a 17th century French cardinal, and that these cardinals like Richelieu did much for France.
    I think that what they did was good for France is debatable, what is not debatable is that they were very bad as christians.
    Likewise many cannot see former Banque de Rothschildt banker Macron as a socialist.

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    Hey JD,

    Nevertheless, if I hire a murderer am I not guilty ?
     
    The analogy is more like buying a stolen car, knowingly. But yes, as I said Muslims were guilty of following the letter but not the spirit of our law. It sucks, but we have to be truthful.

    Eunuchs interestingly not only guarded harems but could achieve very high positions (often because there was no threat from the eunuch of going rogue and establishing his own fiefdom for his heirs):
    "But much more mystifying is the honor accorded to senior eunuchs. Many were among those governors and generals, and under the Ottomans, one black eunuch was chief administrator of Mecca and Medina.”
    https://www.nytimes.com/books/01/03/04/reviews/010304.04hochsct.html

    Crazy stuff, eh?

    Peace.
  167. @Corvinus
    "Even after I demonstrated that the figures quoted..."

    Only by twisting and turning the data. We've been down this road before.

    Only by twisting and turning the data.

    By posting the original Jewish sources as viewable images?

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    Professor Martin claimed that statistic to be nationwide, but in reality was local. Only when you were cornered did you provide the relevant information that proved my point-- 75% of Jewish households in four major southern cities owned slaves.

    Remember, it was YOU who had stated that it is “relatively trivial thing to challenge a particular statistic ( i.e., 70%), as there are a number of assumptions upon which this statistic is based that are easily assailable”.

    Recall that the proportion of slaveholders has never been an accurate measure of the social or economic importance of slaveholding, unless it is assessed on a broadly regional or state-by-state basis. Besides, purchasing slaves could be a sign of one’s ethnic display of superiority and/or represent a family’s wealth.

    If we account for all other factors, it ends up there is no statistically significant difference between Jews and the overall population in terms of slave ownership, especially since levels of slave ownership varied in the southern states and in southern cities. For example, this source (forward.com/articles/205455/slaves-of-charleston/?p=all) notes that in 1830 the proportion of Jewish residents of Charleston who owned slaves was similar to that of the general white population (83% versus 87%).

  168. @Diversity Heretic

    Well, they [African slaves] were taken from their homelands, shackled, put on a ship, sold to the highest bidder, and toiled until they died. All in all, pretty well.
     
    Given the slave population increase between 1790 (about 650,000) and 1860 (almost four million), a sextupling of the population in 70 years, they seem to have had plenty of energy for activities other than toiling and dying. But your last statement is right on the money! The life of an African slave in North America probably compared favorably to an industrial worker in Europe or North America during the same period. And it was much better than living in a high disease load subsistence agriculture environment in equitorial Africa.


    http://faculty.weber.edu/kmackay/statistics_on_slavery.htm


    Historical Statistics of the U.S. (1970).)

    U of C economist Gary Becker did some fancy cipherin’ and he calculated that the slaves in the South had a more calorie rich diet than the Irish immigrants.
    Slaves had medical care,homes and clothing.
    Blacks love to imagine the worst of all possible suffering for their ancestors. “They was boiled in oil,”to gain capital today.
    Slavery was bad. Got it. But not as bad as bad can be!

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  169. @jilles dykstra
    Did not know that making eunuchs was forbidden by Islam.
    Nevertheless, if I hire a murderer am I not guilty ?
    But if eunuchs were needed by real Muslims can be questioned.
    Muslims are allowed only four wives, eunuchs guarded harems.
    I for one never saw the Ottoman rulers as real Muslims, they were as Islamic as Saddam Hussein, I think.
    Just today in a tv discussion in the Netherlands on French presidential candidate Macron it was said that he resembles a 17th century French cardinal, and that these cardinals like Richelieu did much for France.
    I think that what they did was good for France is debatable, what is not debatable is that they were very bad as christians.
    Likewise many cannot see former Banque de Rothschildt banker Macron as a socialist.

    Hey JD,

    Nevertheless, if I hire a murderer am I not guilty ?

    The analogy is more like buying a stolen car, knowingly. But yes, as I said Muslims were guilty of following the letter but not the spirit of our law. It sucks, but we have to be truthful.

    Eunuchs interestingly not only guarded harems but could achieve very high positions (often because there was no threat from the eunuch of going rogue and establishing his own fiefdom for his heirs):
    “But much more mystifying is the honor accorded to senior eunuchs. Many were among those governors and generals, and under the Ottomans, one black eunuch was chief administrator of Mecca and Medina.”
    https://www.nytimes.com/books/01/03/04/reviews/010304.04hochsct.html

    Crazy stuff, eh?

    Peace.

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    Gradual take-over of the entire government system by eunuch faction was the principle cause of the decline of China's Ming dynasty leading to its overthrow by the Altaic Manchu federation who then established the Ch'ing (aka Qing) dynasty.
  170. And of course, my dear Mr. Reed, the European variety of the species owes absolutely nothing to the rest of humanity. Nothing to the Egyptians, nothing to the Moors, nothing to the Chinese. They are gods. They are God.

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  171. There is scientific work done in America and Europe by Blacks which is not recognized as such solely due to most Blacks in the west having White folks names. Slave names we call them.

    The tenor of your article is correct, its amplitude is not. You need to study modern Black history. Yet I must applaud you for your efforts. Impressionable young Whites need to hear your message. Especially if they attend the many ultra-liberal universities in the west.

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    The problem with Black History is that much of it is fake history, and its hard to determine which is fake and which is real. It is similar to affirmative action in the sense that you do not know if the person actually earned their grades, or credentials are qualified, or its all a fake feel good giveaway. The same applies to Black History, which is mostly an academic tool of feel good racial politics.

    This also includes elitist libs/leftist/progs/sjw who want to feel good about how sophisticated they are, by pandering & praising Blacks ad nauseam, while habitually condemning the average white man as racist. The end result of this is that the average white and average black become socially alienated from each other, causing racial balkanization. Meanwhile elitist libs/leftist/progs/sjw only really like Blacks from afar, only having token interpersonal contacts with them.

    With the exception of a few sincere libs (which although I believe are generally misguided, I can admire for wanting to try to make the world better), the elitist libs are the ultimate hypocrites. Even a urban neighborhood white guy, who is very wary of African Americans, would help a Black person in need under legitimate circumstances...but I would never see an elitist get their hands dirty (and the sjw rather protest in the streets than help anyone on the personal level).

    Government executives' takes an oath to defend us from all enemies, foreign & domestic. Of course our feckless political leaders will not confront domestic enemies, and will allow things to fall apart instead. With the exception of sincere libs, the domestic enemies of leftist/progs/sjw die off would be of great benefit to the rest of society. And since they are unarmed (gun control), self centered hypocrites, and cannot handle hardship, it wouldn't take much for that to happen.

    Then maybe we can have peaceful coexistence with Blacks based on mutual respect, not political propaganda. Unfortunately things (economically & socially) will probably get very ugly first, before we learn our lesson, and make peaceful coexistence happen (like history frequently shows, it usually happens after subsequent generations get tired of the fighting).

  172. @geokat62

    Only by twisting and turning the data.
     
    By posting the original Jewish sources as viewable images?

    Professor Martin claimed that statistic to be nationwide, but in reality was local. Only when you were cornered did you provide the relevant information that proved my point– 75% of Jewish households in four major southern cities owned slaves.

    Remember, it was YOU who had stated that it is “relatively trivial thing to challenge a particular statistic ( i.e., 70%), as there are a number of assumptions upon which this statistic is based that are easily assailable”.

    Recall that the proportion of slaveholders has never been an accurate measure of the social or economic importance of slaveholding, unless it is assessed on a broadly regional or state-by-state basis. Besides, purchasing slaves could be a sign of one’s ethnic display of superiority and/or represent a family’s wealth.

    If we account for all other factors, it ends up there is no statistically significant difference between Jews and the overall population in terms of slave ownership, especially since levels of slave ownership varied in the southern states and in southern cities. For example, this source (forward.com/articles/205455/slaves-of-charleston/?p=all) notes that in 1830 the proportion of Jewish residents of Charleston who owned slaves was similar to that of the general white population (83% versus 87%).

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    Professor Martin claimed that statistic to be nationwide, but in reality was local. Only when you were cornered did you provide the relevant information that proved my point– 75% of Jewish households in four major southern cities owned slaves.
     
    No, you are mistaken. You are confusing two references by Rosenwaike.

    The first is drawn from Rosenwaike's The Jewish Population in 1820 study:

    In Charleston, Richmond and Savannah the large majority (over three-fourths) of the Jewish households contained one or more slaves;...694

    694 Rosenwaike, "The Jewish Population in 1820," pp. 2,17,19.
     
    These figures, however, were updated in his Edge of Greatness study:

    "In Charleston, Richmond, and Savannah," he continues, "the overwhelming proportion (over four-fifths) of the Jewish households contained one or more slaves;...”696

    696 Rosenwaike, Edge of Greatness, p. 66.
     
    But here is the key reference that I initially struggled to understand, as I previously indicated:

    After managing to get my hands on the primary sources referenced in TSR, I now have a better understanding of what Rosenwaike was driving at in the following quote from p. 130 of TSR:

    Rosenwaike, whose Jewish population studies have been published in the major Jewish historical journals, has recently analyzed the 1971 population studies of Lee Soltow. Rosenwaike does not dispute Soltow’s startling findings:

    “Soltow estimates that 36 percent of the 625,000 families in the South in 1830 were slaveholders. Of the 322 household heads identified in the present study as [Jewish] residents of the same states at this enumeration, a considerably larger proportion – 75 percent – were owners of one or more slaves.”

    In order to do an apples to apples comparison with the data presented in Soltow’s study, Rosenwaike dropped New York and Pennsylvania (non-slavery states in 1830) as both of these states were not part of the 14 Southern slave states included in Soltow’s analysis.
     

     This quote is taken from Rosenwaike's The Edge of Greatness, which was written after The Jewish Population in 1820.

    I actually went to a local library and withdrew the book (TEG) and I took photos of two key pages, the first of which (Table 20) makes it very clear that rather than the 75% statistic applying to merely the four major southern cities, as you wrongly claim, it in fact applies to the same 14 states and the District of Columbia for which Soltow had made estimates:

    http://imgur.com/yIVdQrR

    Rosenwaike also provides the following explanation as to why it was appropriate to compare slavery statistics for the Southern states and not nationwide, as you suggest:

    http://imgur.com/DHVvKhu

    Bottom line: Prof. Tony Martin was indeed conveying accurate information when he referenced Rosenwaike's startling findings when he compared his own data for the proportion of Jewish households that owned slaves (75%) to that of Soltow's (36%) across the same 14 southern slave states and the District of Columbia:

    Soltow estimates that 36 percent of the 625,000 families in the South in 1830 were slaveholders. Of the 322 household heads identified in the present study as [Jewish] residents of the same states at this enumeration, a considerably larger proportion - 75 percent - were owners of one or more slaves.695
     
    Therefore, based on the data presented in Rosenwaike's and Soltow's studies, the conclusion that the proportion of Jewish households that owned slaves was more than double that owned by white households, across 14 Southern slave states is irrefutable.
  173. @daniel le mouche
    I agree the Catholic Church had a narrative, as the power superstructure always seems to. Much science was at odds with that narrative, and was suppressed. But what about now? We have our own narrative from which we can never stray (multiculturalism is a central component, as are phoney news to add to the REALLY big lies like the Holocaust and 911, for two examples), which ostensibly includes all science. But does it? What of all the completely phoney scientific 'evidence' presented by Popular Science magazine as proof of the 'Pancake Theory' and much more 911 nonsense? Scientists said it, we believe it. And how much science is suppressed these days? There have been and without any doubt still are many discoveries that would bring the suffering world happiness, Tesla for one. There is quite possibly the cure for cancer being carefully hidden far from view--many think they have it. (I know nothing about this, but have seen enough from people who seem to to think it very possible.) There are others who question carbon dating (Vine Deloria, the American Indian writer, is one who makes a good case against it; he also has interesting theories on the formation of mountains and the official Bering Strait postulation of 'how the Indians got here'). If carbon dating isn't accurate, all of the latest findings that so many attach importance to (was the first man from Africa, etc.) will be thrown into the deepest shadows of doubt. In short, science is very political.

    I personally find the existence and history of other “scientific paradigms” terrifying. The White Nationalists behave in the exact same way as religious fundamentalists claiming western scientific supremacy as a source of pride and inherent superiority.

    What is so ironic is most Scientific Theories put forward were completely wrong. The European medical establishment only put their weight behind the communicability of disease in the 19th century. Most medicine was highly toxic (Mercury and Arsenic) and the things that did work (novocaine and Opiates) were widely abused to the detriment of European people. A civillization that could conquer the world didn’t care to even check if the technology it developed to keep people alive worked. It wasn’t as if it was just the poor, Napoleon and Simon Bolivar died of Arsenic poisoning. Lincoln was ingesting dangerous amounts of Mercury as a treatment for depression.

    I admire European rationalism and their scientific advances but they need to not put blind faith in their intelletual establishment. Social Darwinism cost the Europeans far more than it did the African’s. It’s in the West and East Asia where we see the population declining most rapidly. Yet the Alt Right doesn’t find it suspicious that the groups who most advanced eugenics and population control are still in power in the very places where the population is collapsing?

    If you want to talk politics it almost appears the western medical establishment were conspiring against their own people. No cure for cancer over the horizon yet planned parenthood is sacrosant?

    The fact that things like aurevedic and confucian medical systems exist and have been proven both practically and theoretically work points to an interesting scenario were Europeans deliberately used their own scientific paradigm to mislead others. Both anti-colonial thinkers and subversives in the West have claimed the political establishment have long used what was pseudo-science to oppress anyone they could.

    If the white race wants to survive the next century they would do well to consider that their own scientific advances will be used to destroy them faster than any Social justice warriors could dream of…………

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    Napoleon like his father and other family members died of stomach cancer The arsenic theory is just that a theory.
  174. @Sudan the man
    There is scientific work done in America and Europe by Blacks which is not recognized as such solely due to most Blacks in the west having White folks names. Slave names we call them.

    The tenor of your article is correct, its amplitude is not. You need to study modern Black history. Yet I must applaud you for your efforts. Impressionable young Whites need to hear your message. Especially if they attend the many ultra-liberal universities in the west.

    The problem with Black History is that much of it is fake history, and its hard to determine which is fake and which is real. It is similar to affirmative action in the sense that you do not know if the person actually earned their grades, or credentials are qualified, or its all a fake feel good giveaway. The same applies to Black History, which is mostly an academic tool of feel good racial politics.

    This also includes elitist libs/leftist/progs/sjw who want to feel good about how sophisticated they are, by pandering & praising Blacks ad nauseam, while habitually condemning the average white man as racist. The end result of this is that the average white and average black become socially alienated from each other, causing racial balkanization. Meanwhile elitist libs/leftist/progs/sjw only really like Blacks from afar, only having token interpersonal contacts with them.

    With the exception of a few sincere libs (which although I believe are generally misguided, I can admire for wanting to try to make the world better), the elitist libs are the ultimate hypocrites. Even a urban neighborhood white guy, who is very wary of African Americans, would help a Black person in need under legitimate circumstances…but I would never see an elitist get their hands dirty (and the sjw rather protest in the streets than help anyone on the personal level).

    Government executives’ takes an oath to defend us from all enemies, foreign & domestic. Of course our feckless political leaders will not confront domestic enemies, and will allow things to fall apart instead. With the exception of sincere libs, the domestic enemies of leftist/progs/sjw die off would be of great benefit to the rest of society. And since they are unarmed (gun control), self centered hypocrites, and cannot handle hardship, it wouldn’t take much for that to happen.

    Then maybe we can have peaceful coexistence with Blacks based on mutual respect, not political propaganda. Unfortunately things (economically & socially) will probably get very ugly first, before we learn our lesson, and make peaceful coexistence happen (like history frequently shows, it usually happens after subsequent generations get tired of the fighting).

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    • Replies: @Truth

    The problem with Black History is that much of it is fake history, and its hard to determine which is fake and which is real.
     
    All history is fake history; WWI, WWII, the moon landing, the space program, the ball earth, the holocaust, Cristopher Colombus, the Indian wars etc., bullshit, practically every word.

    History is a group of lies, agreed upon.
    -Napoleon Bonaparte.
  175. @Corvinus
    Professor Martin claimed that statistic to be nationwide, but in reality was local. Only when you were cornered did you provide the relevant information that proved my point-- 75% of Jewish households in four major southern cities owned slaves.

    Remember, it was YOU who had stated that it is “relatively trivial thing to challenge a particular statistic ( i.e., 70%), as there are a number of assumptions upon which this statistic is based that are easily assailable”.

    Recall that the proportion of slaveholders has never been an accurate measure of the social or economic importance of slaveholding, unless it is assessed on a broadly regional or state-by-state basis. Besides, purchasing slaves could be a sign of one’s ethnic display of superiority and/or represent a family’s wealth.

    If we account for all other factors, it ends up there is no statistically significant difference between Jews and the overall population in terms of slave ownership, especially since levels of slave ownership varied in the southern states and in southern cities. For example, this source (forward.com/articles/205455/slaves-of-charleston/?p=all) notes that in 1830 the proportion of Jewish residents of Charleston who owned slaves was similar to that of the general white population (83% versus 87%).

    Professor Martin claimed that statistic to be nationwide, but in reality was local. Only when you were cornered did you provide the relevant information that proved my point– 75% of Jewish households in four major southern cities owned slaves.

    No, you are mistaken. You are confusing two references by Rosenwaike.

    The first is drawn from Rosenwaike’s The Jewish Population in 1820 study:

    In Charleston, Richmond and Savannah the large majority (over three-fourths) of the Jewish households contained one or more slaves;…694

    694 Rosenwaike, “The Jewish Population in 1820,” pp. 2,17,19.

    These figures, however, were updated in his Edge of Greatness study:

    “In Charleston, Richmond, and Savannah,” he continues, “the overwhelming proportion (over four-fifths) of the Jewish households contained one or more slaves;…”696

    696 Rosenwaike, Edge of Greatness, p. 66.

    But here is the key reference that I initially struggled to understand, as I previously indicated:

    After managing to get my hands on the primary sources referenced in TSR, I now have a better understanding of what Rosenwaike was driving at in the following quote from p. 130 of TSR:

    Rosenwaike, whose Jewish population studies have been published in the major Jewish historical journals, has recently analyzed the 1971 population studies of Lee Soltow. Rosenwaike does not dispute Soltow’s startling findings:

    “Soltow estimates that 36 percent of the 625,000 families in the South in 1830 were slaveholders. Of the 322 household heads identified in the present study as [Jewish] residents of the same states at this enumeration, a considerably larger proportion – 75 percent – were owners of one or more slaves.”

    In order to do an apples to apples comparison with the data presented in Soltow’s study, Rosenwaike dropped New York and Pennsylvania (non-slavery states in 1830) as both of these states were not part of the 14 Southern slave states included in Soltow’s analysis.

    This quote is taken from Rosenwaike’s The Edge of Greatness, which was written after The Jewish Population in 1820.

    I actually went to a local library and withdrew the book (TEG) and I took photos of two key pages, the first of which (Table 20) makes it very clear that rather than the 75% statistic applying to merely the four major southern cities, as you wrongly claim, it in fact applies to the same 14 states and the District of Columbia for which Soltow had made estimates:

    http://imgur.com/yIVdQrR

    Rosenwaike also provides the following explanation as to why it was appropriate to compare slavery statistics for the Southern states and not nationwide, as you suggest:

    http://imgur.com/DHVvKhu

    Bottom line: Prof. Tony Martin was indeed conveying accurate information when he referenced Rosenwaike’s startling findings when he compared his own data for the proportion of Jewish households that owned slaves (75%) to that of Soltow’s (36%) across the same 14 southern slave states and the District of Columbia:

    Soltow estimates that 36 percent of the 625,000 families in the South in 1830 were slaveholders. Of the 322 household heads identified in the present study as [Jewish] residents of the same states at this enumeration, a considerably larger proportion – 75 percent – were owners of one or more slaves.695

    Therefore, based on the data presented in Rosenwaike’s and Soltow’s studies, the conclusion that the proportion of Jewish households that owned slaves was more than double that owned by white households, across 14 Southern slave states is irrefutable.

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    "No, you are mistaken. You are confusing two references by Rosenwaike."

    Refuted--Professor Martin made the initial claim.

    "I discovered that according to the 1830 census, even though Jews were a small proportion of the population in North America, nevertheless they were inordinately represented among the slave owners. Yes, they were a small portion of the population overall, but on a percentage basis that were significant. Jewish historians who have analyzed the 1830 census have discovered that whereas something like 30-odd percent of the white population may have owned one or more slaves in the South, for Jewish households it was over 70 percent. So according to an analysis of the 1830 census by Jewish historians, Jews were more than twice as likely, on a percentage basis, to own slaves."

    Note that he failed to specifically note that Jew slavery ownership was concentrated in 4 southern cities.

    "I took photos of two key pages, the first of which (Table 20) makes it very clear that rather than the 75% statistic applying to merely the four major southern cities, as you wrongly claim, it in fact applies to the same 14 states and the District of Columbia for which Soltow had made estimates."

    Refuted--Jacob Rader Marcus clearly stated that"over 75 percent of all Jewish families in Charleston, Richmond, and Savannah owned slaves, employed as domestic servants; almost 40 percent of all Jewish households in the United States owned one slave or more" (United States Jewry, 1776-1985, pg. 585).

    Note how you skirt around these important points...again.

    Remember, it was YOU who had stated that it is “relatively trivial thing to challenge a particular statistic ( i.e., 70%), as there are a number of assumptions upon which this statistic is based that are easily assailable”.

    Recall that the proportion of slaveholders has never been an accurate measure of the social or economic importance of slaveholding, unless it is assessed on a broadly regional or state-by-state basis. Besides, purchasing slaves could be a sign of one’s ethnic display of superiority and/or represent a family’s wealth.

    If we account for all other factors, it ends up there is no statistically significant difference between Jews and the overall population in terms of slave ownership, especially since levels of slave ownership varied in the southern states and in southern cities. For example, this source (forward.com/articles/205455/slaves-of-charleston/?p=all) notes that in 1830 the proportion of Jewish residents of Charleston who owned slaves was similar to that of the general white population (83% versus 87%).
  176. […] Source: Notes for a White Kid in University – The Unz Review […]

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  177. @Santoculto

    We began building these things in 1137.
     
    ... we were responsible for black slavery....

    Thank God the author of such an ignorant and ahistorical Hyer Ejjucayshun FunFact™ signs his work ‘santoculto’; it helps bolster and support Fred’s point.

    ¡Gracias, pendejo!

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  178. @utu
    This article by Fred Reed with just minor changes could have been written in 18 century pointing a finger at Jews instead of non-Whites. You haven't accomplished nothing. Where is your science, engineering, paintings, architecture? The only object with a moving part you have is a dreidel. Not until after the emancipation in early 19 century when Jews began to assimilate and get acculturated into the Wester culture did they begin to contribute to the Western civilization in areas of science, engineering, art, music and literature. So what is the lesson from it for Fred? You never know what will come. Culture and civilization is not carried by genes but by memes.

    You haven’t accomplished nothing.

    That’s “you ain’t accomplished nothing”.

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  179. regarding our kids and the pseudo adults leading them, this comment is about a column by Douthat in JYT yesterday in which he suggests that the liberal parents go back to church and take their kids with them. Christianity has always been anti-egalitarian, except when crazies took over as in the Reformation.

    -
    Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2017 10:13 PM
    Subject: Fw: NYTimes.com: Save the Mainline ( churches which have withered away, like Marx’s State, now that they have successfully completed their liberal mission of Equality )

    Communism per Marx would accomplish the withering away of the State after all the social problems had been solved. The Social Question, now Answered by Socialism or Communism, would vanish and Utopia would reign.

    Now it is liberal Christian churches withering away: “…liberal churches have suffered institutional decline, but also enjoy a sort of cultural triumph, losing members even as their most distinctive commitments — ecumenical spirituality and a progressive social Gospel — permeate academia, the media, pop culture, the Democratic Party.

    But this equilibrium may not last, and it may not deserve to. The campus experience of late suggests that liberal Protestantism without the Protestantism tends to gradually shed the liberalism as well, transforming into an illiberal cult of victimologies that burns heretics with vigor. The wider experience of American politics suggests that as liberalism de-churches it struggles to find a nontransactional organizing principle, a persuasive language of the common good. And the experience of American society suggests that religious impulses without institutions aren’t enough to bind communities and families, to hold atomization and despair at bay.”

    If you read the link, “illiberal cult of victimologies” you will find a critic of pee-cee turn out to be crazier than those he criticizes. Like, he provides an example of a mental health professional chastising anyone who says “you’re crazy” in normal conversation…. to be victimizing a…uh, crazy person.

    With the traditional Protestant denominations down to something like less than 20% of folks, white I assume, claiming membership, their Humanity Worship has hatched a mass of True Believers who beat one-another up over anything. How about words like “vagina” vs. “front hole” per the witch’s covens, or “cisgendered” which means that your gender matches your biology. Gender of course, is simply assigned at birth by Power Mongers, theorized by Foucault, the bath-house buggerer and very dead queer as a result. Read the linked piece.

    The illiberal complaint is by a confessed liberal, as you read the piece. He is the classic older liberal, aghast at the frankenstein he has created.

    Sure he says there is structural racism, and systematic whatever everywhere.
    Lunatics everywhere here. Douthat suggest the remedy: more Christianity and less finger pointing.

    In fact Christianity is the only religion to call attention to the log in your own eye, as opposed to the dust mote in the other’s eye.
    The fact is that Christianity was never liberal, and thus non-revolutionary. The liberals took it over, like communists, and the result is spreading anarchy. Every Liberal is a communist emotionally. Why?

    Because the individual now is lost in contemporary Whatever America. Rules and Membership are fundamental, , especially now due to the refusal to recognize limits, personal, racial, sexual,…you name it. The individual, especially the college kids, is insecure anyway at their age, and to have this totalitarian hostility around them is abuse . Membership in family, community, nation follow in train to race. Membership protects especially a fragile young college kid. Call Mom and Dad.

    They need teddy bears to protect them from themselves, not Trump.
    Douthat is correct. The liberal churches have spawned a hybrid that does not need God, it has no need of God in its hypothesis. It is just White Men, the cancer of the planet. Kill them All.
    The Christian tenet that we are All sinners has been rejected. It is not me, it is you. That is what the current economic, social, political, racial crisis amounts to. Social and political and racial structures are responsible for my unhappiness . Show me who to kill. Kill Whitey say the negroes and witches and college kids at the best schools. Kill Mom and Dad.

    Limits are biological, not Abstract. They are permanent, and not to be conquered by Ideas of Humanity, One World, Universal Brotherhood, and the non-negotiable demands of personal freedom and human rights.

    Victimology is Endless in its compass. What prevents it is membership in society, based largely on race, the first thing. This is a universal in history. Belief in a Larger Picture seems also to be biological.
    Privacy is fundamental to the realization of both truths of human existence, membership and belief.

    The Revolution as it now continues, invades privacy, totalizes social life and politics, and in a word or two, is worse than communism was. The old ‘The Personal is Political’ tyranny of the 60s is back. Every fiber of your being is under scrutiny by the new apparatchiks.

    Soon, the killing fields, with White Men as the first targets. What the lunatics forget is that white men got the guns,
    We have already asked the questions, and need no more answers.
    Joe Webb

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  180. addendum: Douthat’s..

    “The wider experience of American politics suggests that as liberalism de-churches it struggles to find a nontransactional organizing principle, a persuasive language of the common good.”

    I had to look up the term ‘ transactional’ . It seems to mean comparable. And it also may be from the lexicon of accounting, etc.

    Let us stick with ‘comparable.’ A persuasive word or two for the language of the common good , for Douthat has to be religious in character. Race Equality or Equality is a total non-starter for such a language. God created the world as it is, and the only wiggle room is evolution writ very long term, certainly way too long term a Solution for the Revolutionaries, especially our current de-generation of social justice crazies.

    What do you want? fill in the blank…When do you want it? NOW!

    Since all the babbling about rights, and justice and Revolution is Hopeless, the Solution has got to be a return to Religion…Heaven is Not on Earth, or a sensible and rational Opening to Evolution/genes as the Great Explanatory account….the other non transactional basis for The Common Good..politically. The traditional religious and conservative political theory is that Society can be a Harmonious Hierarchy, if folks respect one-another, and one uses what gifts or limitations God or Nature as selected for you. Aristotle also had it that Social Man was not enough, and that Political Man was required for thinking about how to keep the peace between different social groups.

    In pre-modern times most folks believed in Fate. That is an approximation of an evolutionary view. Nobody to blame. Except the Rebels against Human Nature who claim there is no human nature and that they have the right to , as the usage goes, ‘play God.’ They are I suppose, devils, so maybe the religious view is correct. Dostoyevski.

    You are, and I am , just the way we are not because the devil (per Jews like Foucault) beats you into submission and hopelessness….and the solution is to kill somebody, starting with White Males, the Solution is to understand that the World is just the way it is because of Natural biological conditions.

    Of course , Race is the first thing, etc.

    Joe Webb

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  181. @joef
    The problem with Black History is that much of it is fake history, and its hard to determine which is fake and which is real. It is similar to affirmative action in the sense that you do not know if the person actually earned their grades, or credentials are qualified, or its all a fake feel good giveaway. The same applies to Black History, which is mostly an academic tool of feel good racial politics.

    This also includes elitist libs/leftist/progs/sjw who want to feel good about how sophisticated they are, by pandering & praising Blacks ad nauseam, while habitually condemning the average white man as racist. The end result of this is that the average white and average black become socially alienated from each other, causing racial balkanization. Meanwhile elitist libs/leftist/progs/sjw only really like Blacks from afar, only having token interpersonal contacts with them.

    With the exception of a few sincere libs (which although I believe are generally misguided, I can admire for wanting to try to make the world better), the elitist libs are the ultimate hypocrites. Even a urban neighborhood white guy, who is very wary of African Americans, would help a Black person in need under legitimate circumstances...but I would never see an elitist get their hands dirty (and the sjw rather protest in the streets than help anyone on the personal level).

    Government executives' takes an oath to defend us from all enemies, foreign & domestic. Of course our feckless political leaders will not confront domestic enemies, and will allow things to fall apart instead. With the exception of sincere libs, the domestic enemies of leftist/progs/sjw die off would be of great benefit to the rest of society. And since they are unarmed (gun control), self centered hypocrites, and cannot handle hardship, it wouldn't take much for that to happen.

    Then maybe we can have peaceful coexistence with Blacks based on mutual respect, not political propaganda. Unfortunately things (economically & socially) will probably get very ugly first, before we learn our lesson, and make peaceful coexistence happen (like history frequently shows, it usually happens after subsequent generations get tired of the fighting).

    The problem with Black History is that much of it is fake history, and its hard to determine which is fake and which is real.

    All history is fake history; WWI, WWII, the moon landing, the space program, the ball earth, the holocaust, Cristopher Colombus, the Indian wars etc., bullshit, practically every word.

    History is a group of lies, agreed upon.
    -Napoleon Bonaparte.

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    big truth, realize you're a flat earther, but what makes you think columbus and the indian wars didn't happen? and that napoleon DID?
  182. @geokat62

    Professor Martin claimed that statistic to be nationwide, but in reality was local. Only when you were cornered did you provide the relevant information that proved my point– 75% of Jewish households in four major southern cities owned slaves.
     
    No, you are mistaken. You are confusing two references by Rosenwaike.

    The first is drawn from Rosenwaike's The Jewish Population in 1820 study:

    In Charleston, Richmond and Savannah the large majority (over three-fourths) of the Jewish households contained one or more slaves;...694

    694 Rosenwaike, "The Jewish Population in 1820," pp. 2,17,19.
     
    These figures, however, were updated in his Edge of Greatness study:

    "In Charleston, Richmond, and Savannah," he continues, "the overwhelming proportion (over four-fifths) of the Jewish households contained one or more slaves;...”696

    696 Rosenwaike, Edge of Greatness, p. 66.
     
    But here is the key reference that I initially struggled to understand, as I previously indicated:

    After managing to get my hands on the primary sources referenced in TSR, I now have a better understanding of what Rosenwaike was driving at in the following quote from p. 130 of TSR:

    Rosenwaike, whose Jewish population studies have been published in the major Jewish historical journals, has recently analyzed the 1971 population studies of Lee Soltow. Rosenwaike does not dispute Soltow’s startling findings:

    “Soltow estimates that 36 percent of the 625,000 families in the South in 1830 were slaveholders. Of the 322 household heads identified in the present study as [Jewish] residents of the same states at this enumeration, a considerably larger proportion – 75 percent – were owners of one or more slaves.”

    In order to do an apples to apples comparison with the data presented in Soltow’s study, Rosenwaike dropped New York and Pennsylvania (non-slavery states in 1830) as both of these states were not part of the 14 Southern slave states included in Soltow’s analysis.
     

     This quote is taken from Rosenwaike's The Edge of Greatness, which was written after The Jewish Population in 1820.

    I actually went to a local library and withdrew the book (TEG) and I took photos of two key pages, the first of which (Table 20) makes it very clear that rather than the 75% statistic applying to merely the four major southern cities, as you wrongly claim, it in fact applies to the same 14 states and the District of Columbia for which Soltow had made estimates:

    http://imgur.com/yIVdQrR

    Rosenwaike also provides the following explanation as to why it was appropriate to compare slavery statistics for the Southern states and not nationwide, as you suggest:

    http://imgur.com/DHVvKhu

    Bottom line: Prof. Tony Martin was indeed conveying accurate information when he referenced Rosenwaike's startling findings when he compared his own data for the proportion of Jewish households that owned slaves (75%) to that of Soltow's (36%) across the same 14 southern slave states and the District of Columbia:

    Soltow estimates that 36 percent of the 625,000 families in the South in 1830 were slaveholders. Of the 322 household heads identified in the present study as [Jewish] residents of the same states at this enumeration, a considerably larger proportion - 75 percent - were owners of one or more slaves.695
     
    Therefore, based on the data presented in Rosenwaike's and Soltow's studies, the conclusion that the proportion of Jewish households that owned slaves was more than double that owned by white households, across 14 Southern slave states is irrefutable.

    “No, you are mistaken. You are confusing two references by Rosenwaike.”

    Refuted–Professor Martin made the initial claim.

    “I discovered that according to the 1830 census, even though Jews were a small proportion of the population in North America, nevertheless they were inordinately represented among the slave owners. Yes, they were a small portion of the population overall, but on a percentage basis that were significant. Jewish historians who have analyzed the 1830 census have discovered that whereas something like 30-odd percent of the white population may have owned one or more slaves in the South, for Jewish households it was over 70 percent. So according to an analysis of the 1830 census by Jewish historians, Jews were more than twice as likely, on a percentage basis, to own slaves.”

    Note that he failed to specifically note that Jew slavery ownership was concentrated in 4 southern cities.

    “I took photos of two key pages, the first of which (Table 20) makes it very clear that rather than the 75% statistic applying to merely the four major southern cities, as you wrongly claim, it in fact applies to the same 14 states and the District of Columbia for which Soltow had made estimates.”

    Refuted–Jacob Rader Marcus clearly stated that”over 75 percent of all Jewish families in Charleston, Richmond, and Savannah owned slaves, employed as domestic servants; almost 40 percent of all Jewish households in the United States owned one slave or more” (United States Jewry, 1776-1985, pg. 585).

    Note how you skirt around these important points…again.

    Remember, it was YOU who had stated that it is “relatively trivial thing to challenge a particular statistic ( i.e., 70%), as there are a number of assumptions upon which this statistic is based that are easily assailable”.

    Recall that the proportion of slaveholders has never been an accurate measure of the social or economic importance of slaveholding, unless it is assessed on a broadly regional or state-by-state basis. Besides, purchasing slaves could be a sign of one’s ethnic display of superiority and/or represent a family’s wealth.

    If we account for all other factors, it ends up there is no statistically significant difference between Jews and the overall population in terms of slave ownership, especially since levels of slave ownership varied in the southern states and in southern cities. For example, this source (forward.com/articles/205455/slaves-of-charleston/?p=all) notes that in 1830 the proportion of Jewish residents of Charleston who owned slaves was similar to that of the general white population (83% versus 87%).

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    Note that he failed to specifically note that Jew slavery ownership was concentrated in 4 southern cities.
     
    You obviously didn't bother reviewing the viewable image of Table 20 I provided.

    He failed to note it because the 75% statistic didn't apply to only the 4 Southern cities, as Table 20 shows, it applied to the Jewish slaveowners living in:

    Place, Number of Jewish hshlds, Number of Jewish slaveowners

    Baltimore, 30, 4
    Charleston, 104, 86
    Columbia (S.C.), 11, 11
    Georgetown Co. (S.C.), 14, 10
    New Orleans, 35, 25
    Richmond, 28, 24
    Savannah, 20, 18
    Georgia (residual) a, 9, 8
    Kentucky, 7, 4
    Missouri, 5, 3
    No. Carolina, 5, 3
    So. Carolina (residual), 18, 15
    Virginia (residual), 24, 20
    Other b, 12, 9
    Total, 322, 240

    a Excludes 1 household, number of slaves ineligible
    b Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Distric of Columbia, Mississippi, balance of Louisiana and Maryland

    As Table 20 clearly shows, when compared on an apples-to-apples basis - i.e., across 14 Southern slave states and D.C., 75% of Jewish households owned slaves in 1830, while only 36% of white households did so.


    Refuted–Jacob Rader Marcus clearly stated that”over 75 percent of all Jewish families in Charleston, Richmond, and Savannah owned slaves, employed as domestic servants; almost 40 percent of all Jewish households in the United States owned one slave or more” (United States Jewry, 1776-1985, pg. 585).
     
    While it is true that "almost 40% of all Jewish households in the United States owned one slave or more," a nationwide comparison in 1830 made little sense and Rosenwaike explains why:

    Since by 1830 slavery had been abolished in nearly every northern state, slave ownership was very largely confined to the South... Slaveholding, by 1830, was almost entirely restricted to the southern states, an area that embraced only about half of all Jewish households. - p. 65 The Edge of Greatness
     
    So, as Rosenwaike clearly explains, conducting a comparison of slaveholding on a nationwide basis made little sense. That's why he conducted his comparison on the basis of the 14 southern slave states and D.C., just as Soltow had done before him.

    If we account for all other factors, it ends up there is no statistically significant difference between Jews and the overall population in terms of slave ownership,
     
    While this statement may be true for the nation as a whole, it is also irrelevant as both Jewish sources referenced by Prof. Martin (Rosenwaike and Soltow) provided slaveholding statistics for the 14 southern slave states and D.C., not on a nationwide basis, as slavery had been abolished for most northern states by 1830.

    Bottom line: you're wrong and Prof. Martin was right: "So according to an analysis of the 1830 census by Jewish historians, Jews were more than twice as likely, on a percentage basis, to own slaves.”

  183. @Truth

    The problem with Black History is that much of it is fake history, and its hard to determine which is fake and which is real.
     
    All history is fake history; WWI, WWII, the moon landing, the space program, the ball earth, the holocaust, Cristopher Colombus, the Indian wars etc., bullshit, practically every word.

    History is a group of lies, agreed upon.
    -Napoleon Bonaparte.

    big truth, realize you’re a flat earther, but what makes you think columbus and the indian wars didn’t happen? and that napoleon DID?

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    I think that something along those lines happened, but not nearly in the way they portray it. From what I understand, Columbus name was not even Christopher Columbus, it was Cristobal Colon, and he was Spanish not Italian. Was not the first from Europe to get to the new world, as the Vikings had already been here, etc.
  184. @Corvinus
    "No, you are mistaken. You are confusing two references by Rosenwaike."

    Refuted--Professor Martin made the initial claim.

    "I discovered that according to the 1830 census, even though Jews were a small proportion of the population in North America, nevertheless they were inordinately represented among the slave owners. Yes, they were a small portion of the population overall, but on a percentage basis that were significant. Jewish historians who have analyzed the 1830 census have discovered that whereas something like 30-odd percent of the white population may have owned one or more slaves in the South, for Jewish households it was over 70 percent. So according to an analysis of the 1830 census by Jewish historians, Jews were more than twice as likely, on a percentage basis, to own slaves."

    Note that he failed to specifically note that Jew slavery ownership was concentrated in 4 southern cities.

    "I took photos of two key pages, the first of which (Table 20) makes it very clear that rather than the 75% statistic applying to merely the four major southern cities, as you wrongly claim, it in fact applies to the same 14 states and the District of Columbia for which Soltow had made estimates."

    Refuted--Jacob Rader Marcus clearly stated that"over 75 percent of all Jewish families in Charleston, Richmond, and Savannah owned slaves, employed as domestic servants; almost 40 percent of all Jewish households in the United States owned one slave or more" (United States Jewry, 1776-1985, pg. 585).

    Note how you skirt around these important points...again.

    Remember, it was YOU who had stated that it is “relatively trivial thing to challenge a particular statistic ( i.e., 70%), as there are a number of assumptions upon which this statistic is based that are easily assailable”.

    Recall that the proportion of slaveholders has never been an accurate measure of the social or economic importance of slaveholding, unless it is assessed on a broadly regional or state-by-state basis. Besides, purchasing slaves could be a sign of one’s ethnic display of superiority and/or represent a family’s wealth.

    If we account for all other factors, it ends up there is no statistically significant difference between Jews and the overall population in terms of slave ownership, especially since levels of slave ownership varied in the southern states and in southern cities. For example, this source (forward.com/articles/205455/slaves-of-charleston/?p=all) notes that in 1830 the proportion of Jewish residents of Charleston who owned slaves was similar to that of the general white population (83% versus 87%).

    Note that he failed to specifically note that Jew slavery ownership was concentrated in 4 southern cities.

    You obviously didn’t bother reviewing the viewable image of Table 20 I provided.

    He failed to note it because the 75% statistic didn’t apply to only the 4 Southern cities, as Table 20 shows, it applied to the Jewish slaveowners living in:

    Place, Number of Jewish hshlds, Number of Jewish slaveowners

    Baltimore, 30, 4
    Charleston, 104, 86
    Columbia (S.C.), 11, 11
    Georgetown Co. (S.C.), 14, 10
    New Orleans, 35, 25
    Richmond, 28, 24
    Savannah, 20, 18
    Georgia (residual) a, 9, 8
    Kentucky, 7, 4
    Missouri, 5, 3
    No. Carolina, 5, 3
    So. Carolina (residual), 18, 15
    Virginia (residual), 24, 20
    Other b, 12, 9
    Total, 322, 240

    a Excludes 1 household, number of slaves ineligible
    b Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Distric of Columbia, Mississippi, balance of Louisiana and Maryland

    As Table 20 clearly shows, when compared on an apples-to-apples basis – i.e., across 14 Southern slave states and D.C., 75% of Jewish households owned slaves in 1830, while only 36% of white households did so.

    Refuted–Jacob Rader Marcus clearly stated that”over 75 percent of all Jewish families in Charleston, Richmond, and Savannah owned slaves, employed as domestic servants; almost 40 percent of all Jewish households in the United States owned one slave or more” (United States Jewry, 1776-1985, pg. 585).

    While it is true that “almost 40% of all Jewish households in the United States owned one slave or more,” a nationwide comparison in 1830 made little sense and Rosenwaike explains why:

    Since by 1830 slavery had been abolished in nearly every northern state, slave ownership was very largely confined to the South… Slaveholding, by 1830, was almost entirely restricted to the southern states, an area that embraced only about half of all Jewish households. – p. 65 The Edge of Greatness

    So, as Rosenwaike clearly explains, conducting a comparison of slaveholding on a nationwide basis made little sense. That’s why he conducted his comparison on the basis of the 14 southern slave states and D.C., just as Soltow had done before him.

    If we account for all other factors, it ends up there is no statistically significant difference between Jews and the overall population in terms of slave ownership,

    While this statement may be true for the nation as a whole, it is also irrelevant as both Jewish sources referenced by Prof. Martin (Rosenwaike and Soltow) provided slaveholding statistics for the 14 southern slave states and D.C., not on a nationwide basis, as slavery had been abolished for most northern states by 1830.

    Bottom line: you’re wrong and Prof. Martin was right: “So according to an analysis of the 1830 census by Jewish historians, Jews were more than twice as likely, on a percentage basis, to own slaves.”

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    “He failed to note it because the 75% statistic didn’t apply to only the 4 Southern cities, as Table 20 shows, it applied to the Jewish slaveowners living in..”

    Not according to the data offered by Jacob Rader Marcus. His statistic refers to major southern cities, NOT the nationwide statistics offered by Rosenwaite. Why is there a discrepancy here?

    Why did Martin craft a narrative that is other than accurate considering:

    One must also take into consideration that the 1830 census looked at households who had slaves. What definition was used here? Did Marcus and Rosenwaite employ the same one? Recall also that religion and slaveholder did NOT appear until the 1860 census. One could delve deeper and more accurately into the extent of Jewish slavery in the South. Were Jews typical or atypical compared to (insert ethnic group or religious group here)? Due to a lack of data on religion, it is difficult to make an exact estimate of the percentage of southern Jews who owned slaves, but the best estimates show that they were fairly similar to their Christian neighbors in this regard. Furthermore, their statistics only accounts for ONE difference—Jewish versus non-Jewish. We know that poorer people were less likely to own slaves than wealthier families. How did the population of southern Jews compare to non-Jewish in this regard?

    “While it is true that “almost 40% of all Jewish households in the United States owned one slave or more,” a nationwide comparison in 1830 made little sense…”

The comparison I am referring to is between ethnic groups (e.g. English, Scots-Irish, Jewish) whose families owned slaves in the South, which is a region. This comparison essential to offering perspective from a state to state basis here.

    Again, is the of purchasing slaves a sign of one’s ethnic display of superiority, does it represent a family’s wealth, or both? Is this attitude similar or different compared to non-Jews? How and why?

    “So according to an analysis of the 1830 census by Jewish historians, Jews were more than twice as likely, on a percentage basis, to own slaves.”

    Compared to who? Non-Jewish people? Those of English descent, or Scots-Irish? In urban areas? In rural areas? Again, perspective matters here.
    , @OilcanFloyd
    Many Jews owned slaves, and not just as house servants. That's not even worth arguing. Quakers, Moravians and other groups opposed slavery, but Jews weren't much of a force in the movement for abolition.

    What can't be denied is that Jews owned many of the segregated department store lunch counters that feature so heavily in Civil Rights propaganda.

  185. @daniel le mouche
    big truth, realize you're a flat earther, but what makes you think columbus and the indian wars didn't happen? and that napoleon DID?

    I think that something along those lines happened, but not nearly in the way they portray it. From what I understand, Columbus name was not even Christopher Columbus, it was Cristobal Colon, and he was Spanish not Italian. Was not the first from Europe to get to the new world, as the Vikings had already been here, etc.

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    Columbus name was not even Christopher Columbus, it was Cristobal Colon, and he was Spanish not Italian.
     
    Hmmmm. Somehow all the preponderance of historical records got it wrong, while you got this exclusive historical information that no one else is privy to for the last 500 years!. Through some type of clairvoyance no doubt. Wow you must be very special. It must be nice to live in a fantasy world where reality never intercedes.

    Sorry, I usually try not to resort to any type of ad hominem attacks, but these statements border on the ridiculous. Either something historically occurred and was recorded, or it did not occur (or an incident is unknown because it did not have witnesses/evidence or was never recorded). It is not something determined by personal interpretation in order to promote a favored personal agenda.

    Personal opinion does not supersede historical fact or evidence (no matter how important the person believes their opinion is). This is what happens when our education system promotes self esteem and opinions instead of academic rigor. But why am I surprised when we teach: '2+2=5 is close enough' (if you can lie with math, then misrepresenting history is easy).
    And people wonder why I think America is becoming a third world nation.
  186. @Truth
    I think that something along those lines happened, but not nearly in the way they portray it. From what I understand, Columbus name was not even Christopher Columbus, it was Cristobal Colon, and he was Spanish not Italian. Was not the first from Europe to get to the new world, as the Vikings had already been here, etc.

    Columbus name was not even Christopher Columbus, it was Cristobal Colon, and he was Spanish not Italian.

    Hmmmm. Somehow all the preponderance of historical records got it wrong, while you got this exclusive historical information that no one else is privy to for the last 500 years!. Through some type of clairvoyance no doubt. Wow you must be very special. It must be nice to live in a fantasy world where reality never intercedes.

    Sorry, I usually try not to resort to any type of ad hominem attacks, but these statements border on the ridiculous. Either something historically occurred and was recorded, or it did not occur (or an incident is unknown because it did not have witnesses/evidence or was never recorded). It is not something determined by personal interpretation in order to promote a favored personal agenda.

    Personal opinion does not supersede historical fact or evidence (no matter how important the person believes their opinion is). This is what happens when our education system promotes self esteem and opinions instead of academic rigor. But why am I surprised when we teach: ’2+2=5 is close enough’ (if you can lie with math, then misrepresenting history is easy).
    And people wonder why I think America is becoming a third world nation.

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    Hmmmm. Somehow all the preponderance of historical records got it wrong, while you got this exclusive historical information that no one else is privy to for the last 500 years!.
     
    As they say, Son, knowledge is power.

    Incidentally, some historians have questioned the traditional accounts surrounding Columbus' Italian origins.

    Some even claim that Columbus was in reality a Portuguese Jew whose real name was Salvador Fernandes Zarco.
     
    https://www.thoughtco.com/how-did-colon-become-columbus-3079508

    http://www.christopher-columbus.eu/

    https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/FS19010927.2.34
    , @daniel le mouche
    don't know what that truth said you disagree with. his name was indeed cristobal colon. there is however continued controversy as to his nationality, with spanish, italians and i believe portuguese amongst those who claim him, why i don't know.
    truth's point, which i pretty much agree with, is i think that we're fed shovels, wheelbarrows, dump trucks, mountains of bullshit from birth to death. anyone who thinks history books aren't a part of that has no clue. to try to take a stab at any truth whatsoever is enough to make one certifiably insane--hello! pleased to meet you!
  187. @Talha
    Hey JD,

    Nevertheless, if I hire a murderer am I not guilty ?
     
    The analogy is more like buying a stolen car, knowingly. But yes, as I said Muslims were guilty of following the letter but not the spirit of our law. It sucks, but we have to be truthful.

    Eunuchs interestingly not only guarded harems but could achieve very high positions (often because there was no threat from the eunuch of going rogue and establishing his own fiefdom for his heirs):
    "But much more mystifying is the honor accorded to senior eunuchs. Many were among those governors and generals, and under the Ottomans, one black eunuch was chief administrator of Mecca and Medina.”
    https://www.nytimes.com/books/01/03/04/reviews/010304.04hochsct.html

    Crazy stuff, eh?

    Peace.

    Gradual take-over of the entire government system by eunuch faction was the principle cause of the decline of China’s Ming dynasty leading to its overthrow by the Altaic Manchu federation who then established the Ch’ing (aka Qing) dynasty.

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    *principal* cause ...

    Eunuch factions during the late Ming period were particularly active when it came to abstracting sources of revenue, such as salt tax revenues.

    The gifted but insufferably self-satisfied Lewis Lapham once referred to someone or something being "as impotent as a Ming Dynasty eunuch ..." no doubt thinking he had made an obvious and interesting point.

  188. @Corvinus
    "I’m very confident a researcher could easily find cases where 1) the slave or newly ex-slave was granted freedom and 2) they had a credible offer of livelihood elsewhere and 3) declined the offer, opting to remain with their former owners."

    Indeed, as I have read the primary sources. The point, however, is that given the choice between 1) being left alone in Africa and living their own life OR 2) being captured and transported against their will to a foreign land, the black man would select 1).

    "The point in question is an important one, though. Your contention that the facts of paid work and freedom to leave at will, however immutable (they weren’t) are proof of slavery’s absolute inferiority to wage-slavery is naive and should be properly eviscerated."

    Spoken like a planation owner. Yes, industrial giants of the North exploited labor. But the fundamental difference between slavery and wage slavery is that the factory worker, despite their foul treatment by their employer, had liberties and the legal recourse to change their condition, compared to their black brethren.

    The point, however, is that given the choice between 1) being left alone in Africa and living their own life OR 2) being captured and transported against their will to a foreign land, the black man would select 1).

    The white man also would have been better off with 1).

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    Than I guess he shouldn't have perpetrated 2).
  189. @bomag

    The point, however, is that given the choice between 1) being left alone in Africa and living their own life OR 2) being captured and transported against their will to a foreign land, the black man would select 1).
     
    The white man also would have been better off with 1).

    Than I guess he shouldn’t have perpetrated 2).

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    So we are in agreement: prosecute those that perpetrated the slave trade; repatriate the Africans.
  190. @joef

    Columbus name was not even Christopher Columbus, it was Cristobal Colon, and he was Spanish not Italian.
     
    Hmmmm. Somehow all the preponderance of historical records got it wrong, while you got this exclusive historical information that no one else is privy to for the last 500 years!. Through some type of clairvoyance no doubt. Wow you must be very special. It must be nice to live in a fantasy world where reality never intercedes.

    Sorry, I usually try not to resort to any type of ad hominem attacks, but these statements border on the ridiculous. Either something historically occurred and was recorded, or it did not occur (or an incident is unknown because it did not have witnesses/evidence or was never recorded). It is not something determined by personal interpretation in order to promote a favored personal agenda.

    Personal opinion does not supersede historical fact or evidence (no matter how important the person believes their opinion is). This is what happens when our education system promotes self esteem and opinions instead of academic rigor. But why am I surprised when we teach: '2+2=5 is close enough' (if you can lie with math, then misrepresenting history is easy).
    And people wonder why I think America is becoming a third world nation.

    Hmmmm. Somehow all the preponderance of historical records got it wrong, while you got this exclusive historical information that no one else is privy to for the last 500 years!.

    As they say, Son, knowledge is power.

    Incidentally, some historians have questioned the traditional accounts surrounding Columbus’ Italian origins.

    Some even claim that Columbus was in reality a Portuguese Jew whose real name was Salvador Fernandes Zarco.

    https://www.thoughtco.com/how-did-colon-become-columbus-3079508

    http://www.christopher-columbus.eu/

    https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/FS19010927.2.34

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  191. @Truth
    Than I guess he shouldn't have perpetrated 2).

    So we are in agreement: prosecute those that perpetrated the slave trade; repatriate the Africans.

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    Aaaah, Grasshopper, if life were only that simple...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKdbZglu1jU
    , @Talha
    I actually agree with this - but both sets of those people have been long buried.

    Peace.
  192. @bomag
    So we are in agreement: prosecute those that perpetrated the slave trade; repatriate the Africans.

    Aaaah, Grasshopper, if life were only that simple…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKdbZglu1jU

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  193. @Truth
    Aaaah, Grasshopper, if life were only that simple...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKdbZglu1jU

    That video was kinda funny.

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  194. @bomag
    So we are in agreement: prosecute those that perpetrated the slave trade; repatriate the Africans.

    I actually agree with this – but both sets of those people have been long buried.

    Peace.

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  195. @Darin
    If you want to be proud of someone else achievements, why limit yourself to the "white race"? Why not be proud of being human and take credit of everything humanity achieved?
    Why not be proud of being mammal, and boast of whale size, kangaroo's jump, cheetah's speed and other amazing things mammals ever did?
    https://www.amazon.com/Animal-Records-Amazing-Book-Mammal/dp/1567113672

    Also Temple Grandin. Be proud of her.

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  196. @joef

    Columbus name was not even Christopher Columbus, it was Cristobal Colon, and he was Spanish not Italian.
     
    Hmmmm. Somehow all the preponderance of historical records got it wrong, while you got this exclusive historical information that no one else is privy to for the last 500 years!. Through some type of clairvoyance no doubt. Wow you must be very special. It must be nice to live in a fantasy world where reality never intercedes.

    Sorry, I usually try not to resort to any type of ad hominem attacks, but these statements border on the ridiculous. Either something historically occurred and was recorded, or it did not occur (or an incident is unknown because it did not have witnesses/evidence or was never recorded). It is not something determined by personal interpretation in order to promote a favored personal agenda.

    Personal opinion does not supersede historical fact or evidence (no matter how important the person believes their opinion is). This is what happens when our education system promotes self esteem and opinions instead of academic rigor. But why am I surprised when we teach: '2+2=5 is close enough' (if you can lie with math, then misrepresenting history is easy).
    And people wonder why I think America is becoming a third world nation.

    don’t know what that truth said you disagree with. his name was indeed cristobal colon. there is however continued controversy as to his nationality, with spanish, italians and i believe portuguese amongst those who claim him, why i don’t know.
    truth’s point, which i pretty much agree with, is i think that we’re fed shovels, wheelbarrows, dump trucks, mountains of bullshit from birth to death. anyone who thinks history books aren’t a part of that has no clue. to try to take a stab at any truth whatsoever is enough to make one certifiably insane–hello! pleased to meet you!

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    So this grand conspiracy was started 500 years ago to historically misinform us today? And I shouldn't believe the preponderance of historical evidence, but instead believe a person who makes up facts as they go along in order to fulfill a personal ideological agenda (who does not even have any first hand experience of the incident, therefore unable to corroborate his invalid conclusions)? I should believe individual arrogance of perceived knowledge as opposed to the cumulative study of scholars, based upon evidence and witness accounts, over the past hundreds of years? And somehow everyone missed the truth for hundreds of years, except for a few contemporary unqualified nobodies that rediscovered something new out of nothing?

    I think not. Mankind survives and thrives by accepting empirical reality, not creating his own nonsense. If you want to live in a world of feel good make believe, that is your business, do not make it mine. [I'm just getting ready to live in our future 3rd world America that idiocy like this is helping to create].

    , @Truth
    Daniel; you're all-right!

    Josef: Here's a quote attributed to ex-CIA director William Casey:

    http://truthstreammedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/ciaquotememe.jpg

    http://truthstreammedia.com/2015/01/13/cia-flashback-well-know-our-disinformation-program-is-complete-when-everything-the-american-public-believes-is-false/

    It's time to wake-up, Son.
  197. @Corvinus
    "Given the slave population increase between 1790 (about 650,000) and 1860 (almost four million), a sextupling of the population in 70 years, they seem to have had plenty of energy for activities other than toiling and dying."

    Indeed, forced by their masters to have children to perpetuate the "peculiar institution".

    "But your last statement is right on the money!"

    That was a sarcastic comment on my part. One would think a white man of your intellect would have been able to discern my sardonic tone. Next time I know better.

    "The life of an African slave in North America probably compared favorably to an industrial worker in Europe or North America during the same period."

    Um, no. Industrial workers earned wages and enjoyed fundamental freedoms.

    "And it was much better than living in a high disease load subsistence agriculture environment in equitorial Africa."

    That wasn't the call of Europeans to remove by force a group of people from their homeland who were content to live freely. Now, was their greed due to their nature or their nurture? You know, was it innate for this particular group (Europeans) to destroy societies, or was it learned behavior?

    Indeed, forced by their masters to have children to perpetuate the “peculiar institution”.

    Indeed. Who has not marveled at the melanotics’ strong, natural orientation to sexual continence.

    “But your last statement is right on the money!”

    That was a sarcastic comment on my part. One would think a white man of your intellect would have been able to discern my sardonic tone.

    Beyond parody.

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    "Indeed. Who has not marveled at the melanotics’ strong, natural orientation to sexual continence."

    An interesting point. Perhaps those who reproduced had unusually strong sex drives. In most slave owning cultures, slaves fail to reproduce on any scale (e.g. European slaves in North Africa). Usually the males don't get a chance to bond with younger females.
  198. @geokat62

    Note that he failed to specifically note that Jew slavery ownership was concentrated in 4 southern cities.
     
    You