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Islam, Not Trump, Is the Elephant In the Room, Threatening Jewish Survival
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As a Jew on the libertarian Right, I am sickened by the compulsion of some American Jews to force President Donald Trump to convulse over Jewish angst. The Anti-Defamation League and other largely self-anointed representatives of Jewish interests are kvetching, accusing the president of not making it abundantly clear that he will not tolerate violence against Jews.

#AnswerTheQuestion is the dramatic, petulant hashtag these nudniks have tweeted out. Apparently, President Trump must spell out, tweet out and beat on breast, at every opportunity, his abhorrence for the specter of Jewish community centers, cemeteries, businesses and places of worship being vandalized.

The chief hate group of America, the Southern Poverty Law Center, has been gunning for President Trump back when he was still candidate Donald Trump. Their work and that of the head honcho at Hate Inc., has been to tar this president with the white supremacist Mark of Cain, simply because he loves Middle America, doesn’t hate the founding American nation, hasn’t yet dubbed Thomas Jefferson a hypocrite, called for the excising of American history from an already compromised curricula, or distanced himself from patriots such as Steve Bannon.

They now contend that “a racist, misogynist and xenophobe president” has inadvertently created the conditions for the current threats against Jews and the vandalism of Jewish property.

All these groups, certainly the Jewish ones, are silent about the existential elephant in the room that truly imperils Jewish survival (other than the community’s left-liberalism). These leaders refuse to grapple with the exponential growth through immigration of anti-Semitic groups. You’d think this would alarm them, as self-styled Jewish leaders.

It’s not right-wing populism that endangers Jewish survival in Europe and Canada; it’s the influx of Muslims. There’s nothing new in the Jewish leadership’s habit of kibitzing about the dangers to Jewish continuity from marauding Mormons (their sin is to convert dead Jews). Or, from Mel Gibson, whose movie “The Passion of the Christ” was supposed to unleash pogroms in Pittsburgh, as they falsely prophesied.

The same sorts say nothing publicly about the waves of Muslims washing up on Europe’s shores. One wonders if they know this intake doesn’t represent a new Islamic Golden Age. These Muslims bring with them the Islam that The Prophet practiced. This Islam does not tolerate Jews.

Muslims now greatly outnumber Jews in these formerly safe spaces for Judaism. What remains of a European Jewry devastated by the Holocaust comes under daily assaults and threats, mostly from the 20-million strong Muslim community. The violent assaults on Jews and their property in Europe and Canada are almost exclusively the handiwork of an ancient hatred, nurtured within Islamic countries, arrivals from which President Trump is trying to curb.

American Jewry is next. Second only to Latinos, the relatively new, roughly 40-year-old Muslim community is the most anti-Semitic community in the U.S. Explained Stephen Steinlight of the Center for Immigration Studies, in “High Noon to Midnight: Does Current Immigration Policy Doom American Jewry”:

“It is virtually impossible to be reared in classical Islam and not be educated to hate Jews—based on a literalist reading of the Koran, where many of the Suras concerning Jews are monstrously hateful, murderous, terrifying, as well as the literature of the Sunnah. These texts also regard Jews as a spiritually fraudulent entity—all the prophets and great figures of the Hebrew Bible, according to Islamic teaching, were Muslims, not Jews [historical identity theft, I call it]… With the exception of a tiny group of courageous American Muslims … who have spoken out and condemned … anti-Semitism, the ‘Muslim Street’ in the U.S. has yet to show its disapproval of this philosophical and political agenda.”

Jewish organizations are not unaware of this menace, although they’re tracking it in the utmost silence. They’re in the habit of silently tracking real threats, such as the hate coming from Islam and Latin America, while publicly, and with impunity, they heap insults on a president who belongs to one of the most politically submissive, bullied groups: white men.

To help those they claim to represent, Jewish leaders should join America’s equally endangered cultural majority, the Trump Nation, in the fight to forestall the lemming’s lunacy that is our current immigration policy.

The proper metaphor for the relationship between Judaism and Christianity is that of proud parent and progeny. Led by these characters—the Ann Frank Center, the obnoxious Anti-Defamation League—Jews have managed to cast themselves as just another faction in the noisy, multicultural mob that is America.

 
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  1. I love Ms. Mercer’s articles on Islam! They’re so full…of stuff!!!

    It’s not right-wing populism that endangers Jewish survival in Europe and Canada

    Umm, have you read some of the comments at UNZ. “Push them into the sea!” apparently is quite popular on this side of the pond – I had no clue.

    it’s the influx of Muslims

    OK – please send massive memos to your folks to stop the influx now – they are in the thick of advocating it (and also setting about the causes of it by advocating destabilizing Muslim countries). Please figure out what the hell you want!

    These Muslims bring with them the Islam that The Prophet practiced.

    Ahhh – one can certainly dream!

    This Islam does not tolerate Jews.

    Which is why practically ever place Islam spread to and kicked out the prevailing Byzantine or Persian or Visigoth, etc. order, your folks thought it was a blessing from God that He raised up the ‘Kingdom of Ismael’:
    “The angel Metatron at once answered him. ‘Fear not, O son of man! The Holy One, blessed be He, brings the kingdom of Ishmael only to save you from this wicked one (Rome) He will send a prophet to them and conquer the Land [of Israel]…And the second king who arises from Ishmael will love [the people of] Israel and conquer all the kingdoms.”
    Historical Dictionary of Judaism

    I mean, have you even read your own history?

    Muslims now greatly outnumber Jews in these formerly safe spaces for Judaism.

    Doh – I guess we’ll have to deal with more illegal settlements now that y’all need to go to Israel for your safe spaces, eh?

    are almost exclusively the handiwork of an ancient hatred

    Or extremist mob mentality – take your pick.

    Second only to Latinos, the relatively new, roughly 40-year-old Muslim community is the most anti-Semitic community

    Damn it – we can’t be first in anything!

    It is virtually impossible to be reared in classical Islam and not be educated to hate Jews

    Really – I know plenty of traditionally trained Muslim scholars that don’t hate Jews – how did that happen?

    many of the Suras concerning Jews are monstrously hateful, murderous, terrifying

    If you understood the context – you’d understand why this is so. I would hope they would be terrified when God declares war on those that plotted to help the enemies of His Prophet (pbuh) – you expect Him to deliver them ice cream from the heavens?
    “It is He who expelled from their habitations the unbelievers among the People of the Book at the first gathering. You did not think that they would go forth, and they thought that their fortresses would defend them against God; but God came upon them from whence they had not reckoned, and He cast terror into their hearts as they destroyed their houses with their own hands, and the hands of the believers; therefore take heed, you who have eyes!” (59:2)

    It astonishes me that people think God should conduct Himself like a chump – where does this mentality come from? I mean, does He own the universe or is it all about your feelings and safe-spaces. Now who’s talking SJW?

    according to Islamic teaching, were Muslims, not Jews

    Uh no – they were ethnically Jews, but Muslims. Being a Jew can be an ethnic identity or a religious one. All prophets are Muslim for us – their ethnicity is irrelevant.

    condemned anti-Semitism

    This is a major problem because many Jewish groups insist that criticism of Israel is anti-semitic – therefore they want to back us up into a corner. Sorry, we won’t play that game. We can oppose Israel without hating on Jews. If you can’t see that – it’s your problem, not ours.

    Islam and Latin America

    O crap! The nightmare convergence!

    “MIAMI — Latinos are one of the fastest growing groups in the Muslim religion.”

    http://www.voanews.com/a/latinas-converting-to-islam-for-identity-structure/2488304.html

    they heap insults on a president who belongs to one of the most politically submissive, bullied groups: white men

    Yeah – that’s not smart.

    The proper metaphor for the relationship between Judaism and Christianity is that of proud parent and progeny.

    OMG! You have got to be *****ing me – can you seriously write that with a straight face? Man are you going to get seriously nailed by a boatload of UNZ comments for that one! OK, given that we trace ourselves back to Abraham (pbuh) – is our metaphor one of a proud grandparent and grandkids! Can I call you ‘Gramps’??!!

    Peace.

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    • Replies: @anonymous
    In what way do you oppose Israel? As a matter of principle? Or over certain actions?

    Irrelevantly, "the angel Metatron" sounds like a 70s band ...

    , @Clyde
    Your Islamo-babble ....lol..... Only the insane and naive don't know and believe that Islamic demographic Jihad is a threat to Europe and European Jews. It is also an indirect threat to Israel and the world if-when Muslims become strong enough in European governments to control their nuclear weapons and delivery systems. France would be first.
    Having a nuked up wacky Pakistan is bad enough and Pakistan is producing new nukes at a fast clip.

    As far as Canada and America go we are both blessed by having lots fewer Muslims. So not an internal threat at this point.

    , @RobinG
    Thanks for the delicate levity, Talha. Allow me to give an alternative answer to this:

    It is virtually impossible to be reared in classical Islam and not be educated to hate Jews.
     
    It is virtually impossible to be reared in Israel and not be educated to hate everyone (else), as this Israeli Jew documented, with a similarly light touch:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-1KgbAA_Mw
    "DEFAMATION"
    A Film by Yoav Shamir
    , @RobinG
    Sorry! I knew there was a better (focused) copy, couldn't find it before.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNWF9CeoZdE
    Defamation (english)
    [It should been called "The Jewish Psychosis". They're brainwashing these Jewish kids to fear people who are not Jewish, teaching them to hate.]
    , @Gabriel M
    Talha has taken some time off from his 200,000 word magnum opus entitled Why it is totally normal for geriatric sex addicts to donk nine year olds to comment on the favourite subject of every moderate Muslim, namely don't look at me, look at the Jews!. Let's check out the results.

    OK – please send massive memos to your folks to stop the influx now – they are in the thick of advocating it
     
    Oops! Basic comprehension fail, that's literally the point of her article.

    (and also setting about the causes of it by advocating destabilizing Muslim countries)
     
    Getting better, more on topic. IT'S ALL THEIR FAULT OUT COUNTRIES SUCK SO MUCH!!!!!!.

    Doh – I guess we’ll have to deal with more illegal settlements now that y’all need to go to Israel for your safe spaces, eh?
     
    Well I do believe you are the drollest person in your chair. A moderate Muslim thinks it's funny that Jews have to flee to Israel. Let's check out what moderate Muslims think is funny.

    Halimi was found naked, handcuffed, and bound with nylon rope to a tree about 40 yards (37 metres) inside a woodlot near a railway station, just outside Paris, on February 13, 2006. It was reported that more than 80% of his body had been burned with acid, as well as gasoline (possibly to destroy evidence of his captors' DNA), to the point that he was difficult to recognize. He had severe contusions, blood blisters, and hematomas covering most of his body (to the point that he was more blue than flesh-colored), multiple broken bones, one ear and one big toe missing. Most of his penis appeared to have been burned off, and his testicles were described as " like blackened oranges." Halimi died en route to a hospital.
     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Affair_of_the_Gang_of_Barbarians


    ROFLs!

    Both actually. But Muslim nations are signatories to international protocols – the upholding of which are moral imperatives since we are not allowed to commit treachery. All of our actions of resistance or change must abide by the legal framework we have signed up to.

    Which incidentally allows Palestinians the right to resist, with force, illegal occupation.
     

    1) The Oslo accords explicitly forbid this. Good job, that in reality Muslims are commanded to commit treachery.

    2) The PLO was founded three years before the existence of an occupation, illegal or otherwise. Good job that Muslims don't have to abide by silly kaffir concepts like linear time.

    , @anonymous
    Yours are among the most valuable comments on this website. Thank you for taking the time to question and challenge assertions of others, which helps us all to think things through for ourselves.

    I hope that Ms. Mercer will find the time to address your points.
    , @DaveE
    Brilliant. I love your comments. Thanks so much.
    , @anonymous
    Talha,
    Please excuse my ignorance about Islam. Do Muslims believe in the Ten Commandmants? Do Islamic teachings provide any modification of those Commandmants?
    Peace,
    anonymous
    , @iffen
    Which is why practically ever place Islam spread to and kicked out the prevailing Byzantine or Persian or Visigoth, etc. order, your folks thought it was a blessing from God that He raised up the ‘Kingdom of Ismael’:

    This was only good for the 1st couple of centuries, after that, and continuing until today, the persecution, expulsion and extermination of Jews and Christians in most Muslim lands have given us the result that with few exceptions they have been cleansed of Jews and Christians.

    many Jewish groups insist that criticism of Israel is anti-semitic

    This is true, but does not change the fact that most criticism of Israel is based upon anti-Semitism.

    , @survey-of-disinfo

    Which is why practically ever place Islam spread to and kicked out the prevailing Byzantine or Persian or Visigoth, etc. order, your folks thought it was a blessing from God that He raised up the ‘Kingdom of Ismael’
     
    You seem to have confused Persia with Rome in your enthusiasm for 'Kingdom of Ishmael'.
    , @John Chard

    Umm, have you read some of the comments at UNZ. “Push them into the sea!” apparently is quite popular on this side of the pond – I had no clue.
     
    I think the "Jews exaggerate Western anti-Semitism"/"kill all Jews" ratio in the Unz comment sections is...maybe 10,000 to 1 at a conservative estimate?

    OK – please send massive memos to your folks to stop the influx now – they are in the thick of advocating it (and also setting about the causes of it by advocating destabilizing Muslim countries). Please figure out what the hell you want!
     
    Wow, just wow. You do realize that was the entire point of the article?

    Which is why practically ever place Islam spread to and kicked out the prevailing Byzantine or Persian or Visigoth, etc. order, your folks thought it was a blessing from God that He raised up the ‘Kingdom of Ismael’:
     
    I suspect the historical toleration by Muslims of Jews in the Middle East is why the sentence you quoted specified "this" Islam, as opposed to "all Islam that has ever existed anywhere ever."

    Doh – I guess we’ll have to deal with more illegal settlements now that y’all need to go to Israel for your safe spaces, eh?
     
    The nuances of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict seem very relevant to this article about immigration to the US.

    This is a major problem because many Jewish groups insist that criticism of Israel is anti-semitic – therefore they want to back us up into a corner. Sorry, we won’t play that game. We can oppose Israel without hating on Jews. If you can’t see that – it’s your problem, not ours.
     
    Except for the Jewish organizations, like J Street and Jewish Voice for Peace, that criticize Israel and those who broadly define anti-Semitism to include reasonable criticisms of Israel.

    Also, the Unz comments sections are probably not the best place to make the case that we shouldn't think about criticism of Israel as being related to anti-Semitism. (This is hopefully apparent regardless of whether one thinks anti-Semitism is a good or bad thing.)
    , @iffen
    I re-read Mercer’s article and I’m not sure where the error is in her opinion.

    She says that Muslims are a greater threat to Jews than Trump and Jews need to get woke to that fact.

    What part of that is wrong?

    – is our metaphor one of a proud grandparent and grandkids! Can I call you ‘Gramps’??!!

    How about you be the red headed stepchild. The gene is in the line. :)
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  2. What a pile of pathetic drivel, from top to the bottom. If antisemitism was really such a huge concern for you, I’m sure you would’ve known that it is entirely a Christian-European phenomenon. You should be ashamed, Ilana.

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    • Replies: @Hibernian
    "...it is entirely a Christian-European phenomenon."

    The word Anti-Semitism was coined by a European Christian Anti-Semite. Islamic hatred of the Jewish people has found expression in, among other things, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem's alliance with Hitler.

  3. Don’t expect shame from far too much Euro-American Jewish political writing. Arrogance, duplicity, and a lack of intellectual integrity is what characterizes far too many of them. In this mentality there is a form of pathological egocentrism and “moral idiocy” that in turn affects the entire culture. The exceptions prove the rule.

    This woman is ignorant of basic history. Jews, Christians, and Muslims lived cheek by jowl for centuries; the Jewish community achieved an apogee of its culture in Muslim Spain. In any case, the Koran commands respect for the “People of the Book” (Ahl al-Kitab), and reveres all the Jewish prophets without exception.

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    Israel is the threat to Jewish survival. As the poster said, Jews Muslims and most important to me Christians lived in peace in Palestine. But since the 'establishment of the Zionist State' Christians had almost disappeared from the Holy Land, and of course there has been ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians from 'greater' Israel. This will only foster hate for the 'chosen ones' for genenrations to come.
    One State Solution Now, one person one vote. This foolish Zionist project must end.
    , @attilathehen
    If Christians, Jews and Muslims lived peacefully side by side in Islamic Spain, why did the Roman Catholic Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand expel all the Jews and Muslims from Spain?
    , @Sam J.
    This SamJ is not THE Sam J. which is me. Am I being trolled???
  4. Actually, what threatens Jewish survival is Zionism, as Israel Shahak and many other Jews of integrity have warned.

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    @Talha
    I love Ms. Mercer's articles on Islam! They're so full...of stuff!!!

    It’s not right-wing populism that endangers Jewish survival in Europe and Canada
     
    Umm, have you read some of the comments at UNZ. "Push them into the sea!" apparently is quite popular on this side of the pond - I had no clue.

    it’s the influx of Muslims
     
    OK - please send massive memos to your folks to stop the influx now - they are in the thick of advocating it (and also setting about the causes of it by advocating destabilizing Muslim countries). Please figure out what the hell you want!

    These Muslims bring with them the Islam that The Prophet practiced.
     
    Ahhh - one can certainly dream!

    This Islam does not tolerate Jews.
     
    Which is why practically ever place Islam spread to and kicked out the prevailing Byzantine or Persian or Visigoth, etc. order, your folks thought it was a blessing from God that He raised up the 'Kingdom of Ismael':
    "The angel Metatron at once answered him. 'Fear not, O son of man! The Holy One, blessed be He, brings the kingdom of Ishmael only to save you from this wicked one (Rome) He will send a prophet to them and conquer the Land [of Israel]...And the second king who arises from Ishmael will love [the people of] Israel and conquer all the kingdoms."
    Historical Dictionary of Judaism

    I mean, have you even read your own history?

    Muslims now greatly outnumber Jews in these formerly safe spaces for Judaism.
     
    Doh - I guess we'll have to deal with more illegal settlements now that y'all need to go to Israel for your safe spaces, eh?

    are almost exclusively the handiwork of an ancient hatred
     
    Or extremist mob mentality - take your pick.

    Second only to Latinos, the relatively new, roughly 40-year-old Muslim community is the most anti-Semitic community
     
    Damn it - we can't be first in anything!

    It is virtually impossible to be reared in classical Islam and not be educated to hate Jews
     
    Really - I know plenty of traditionally trained Muslim scholars that don't hate Jews - how did that happen?

    many of the Suras concerning Jews are monstrously hateful, murderous, terrifying
     
    If you understood the context - you'd understand why this is so. I would hope they would be terrified when God declares war on those that plotted to help the enemies of His Prophet (pbuh) - you expect Him to deliver them ice cream from the heavens?
    "It is He who expelled from their habitations the unbelievers among the People of the Book at the first gathering. You did not think that they would go forth, and they thought that their fortresses would defend them against God; but God came upon them from whence they had not reckoned, and He cast terror into their hearts as they destroyed their houses with their own hands, and the hands of the believers; therefore take heed, you who have eyes!" (59:2)

    It astonishes me that people think God should conduct Himself like a chump - where does this mentality come from? I mean, does He own the universe or is it all about your feelings and safe-spaces. Now who's talking SJW?

    according to Islamic teaching, were Muslims, not Jews
     
    Uh no - they were ethnically Jews, but Muslims. Being a Jew can be an ethnic identity or a religious one. All prophets are Muslim for us - their ethnicity is irrelevant.

    condemned anti-Semitism
     
    This is a major problem because many Jewish groups insist that criticism of Israel is anti-semitic - therefore they want to back us up into a corner. Sorry, we won't play that game. We can oppose Israel without hating on Jews. If you can't see that - it's your problem, not ours.

    Islam and Latin America
     
    O crap! The nightmare convergence!

    "MIAMI — Latinos are one of the fastest growing groups in the Muslim religion."
    http://www.voanews.com/a/latinas-converting-to-islam-for-identity-structure/2488304.html

    they heap insults on a president who belongs to one of the most politically submissive, bullied groups: white men
     
    Yeah - that's not smart.

    The proper metaphor for the relationship between Judaism and Christianity is that of proud parent and progeny.
     
    OMG! You have got to be *****ing me - can you seriously write that with a straight face? Man are you going to get seriously nailed by a boatload of UNZ comments for that one! OK, given that we trace ourselves back to Abraham (pbuh) - is our metaphor one of a proud grandparent and grandkids! Can I call you 'Gramps'??!!

    Peace.

    In what way do you oppose Israel? As a matter of principle? Or over certain actions?

    Irrelevantly, “the angel Metatron” sounds like a 70s band …

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    Hola Senor,

    In what way do you oppose Israel? As a matter of principle? Or over certain actions?
     
    Both actually. But Muslim nations are signatories to international protocols - the upholding of which are moral imperatives since we are not allowed to commit treachery. All of our actions of resistance or change must abide by the legal framework we have signed up to.

    Which incidentally allows Palestinians the right to resist, with force, illegal occupation.


    Irrelevantly, “the angel Metatron” sounds like a 70s band …
     
    Good point. I immediately thought of the Transformer - being an 80's kid.

    Peace.

  6. @anonymous
    In what way do you oppose Israel? As a matter of principle? Or over certain actions?

    Irrelevantly, "the angel Metatron" sounds like a 70s band ...

    Hola Senor,

    In what way do you oppose Israel? As a matter of principle? Or over certain actions?

    Both actually. But Muslim nations are signatories to international protocols – the upholding of which are moral imperatives since we are not allowed to commit treachery. All of our actions of resistance or change must abide by the legal framework we have signed up to.

    Which incidentally allows Palestinians the right to resist, with force, illegal occupation.

    Irrelevantly, “the angel Metatron” sounds like a 70s band …

    Good point. I immediately thought of the Transformer – being an 80′s kid.

    Peace.

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    > allows Palestinians the right to resist, with force, illegal occupation.

    you prefer the slow-motion war, as being advantageous to you.

    but you can't always get what you want, shipmate.

    Spain was liberated from Islam yesterday; Rakhine is being liberated from Islam today - and Jerusalem will be liberated from Islam tomorrow.
  7. See? Endless religious bickering. This is what we get for letting both Muslims and Jews into this country. And our forefathers tried to stave this off, to warn us, but in the name of tolerance and droning the Mantra of “diversity” the dim-witted half of the country supports ever more immigration of imbecilic religious fanatics. We created the wealth and now you pillage it. The gates hang on their hinges. All along the watchtower the lookout sleeps at his post.

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    • Replies: @Anon
    We started out with Puritans, Anglicans, Quakers, and Catholics (etc.). Given that the first two already fought a war in England, I'd say that's plenty for bickering.
    , @Anon9
    Bickering is what we do. It's a compulsion. Inherited from our reptilian ancesters. Has to do with determining who breeds.
    The only prophet worth reading is one who unambiguously predicts future events without the need for "interpretation".
    , @gwynedd1
    The number of major Abrahamic religions a society should have is 0 to 1... with 0 being the ideal.
  8. What remains of a European Jewry devastated by the Holocaust …”

    What a load of self-serving Zionist nonsense.

    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the laughable ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:

    http://codoh.com

    No name calling, level playing field debate here:

    http://forum.codoh.com

    ‘Jewish groups get up to 97% of grants from the Homeland Security’

    http://mondoweiss.net/2012/07/islamophobia-shmislamophobia-97-of-homeland-security-security-grants-go-to-jewish-orgs/

    Fact:
    every US taxpayers ‘loan’ that “that shitty little country” has received has never been paid back. The Israeli Occupied Congress curiously “forgives/forgave” all these huge debts.
    and:
    “Two Secretive Israeli Companies Reportedly Bugged The US Telecommunications Grid For The NSA”
    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/israelis-bugged-the-us-for-the-nsa-2013-6#ixzz3NxPnnUFg
    and:
    “IDF Unit 8200 Cyberwar Veterans Developed NSA Snooping Technology”

    http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2013/06/08/idf-unit-8200-cyberwar-veterans-developed-nsa-snooping-technology/

    also:
    The Costs to American Taxpayers of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: $3 Trillion

    http://www.wrmea.org/2003-june/the-costs-to-american-taxpayers-of-the-israeli-palestinian-conflict-$3-trillion.html

    Of course, auditing the Federal Reserve is being resisted tooth & nail by Zionist interests. Why?
    and then:
    “There’s no business like Shoah business.”

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    Other survivors told how screaming teenage girls were dragged into rooms adjoining the gymnasium where they were being held and raped by their Chechen captors who chillingly made a video film of their appalling exploits

    They said children were forced to drink their own urine and eat the petals off the flowers they had brought their teachers after nearly three days without food or water in the stifling hot gym.
     
    https://www.jihadwatch.org/2004/09/beslan-they-knifed-babies-they-raped-girls

    As a moderate Muslim would say..... LMAOROFL ..... OMFG A JEW BUILT A ROOF EXTENSION IN EAST JERUSALEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  10. The unpleasant fact is that if Islam takes over France, it will control quite a number of thermonuclear weapons, which would outclass Israel’s arsenal…I see a potential here for a “conversation” about Israel’s future.

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    10 Pyrrhus > The unpleasant fact is that if Islam takes over France, it will control quite a number of thermonuclear weapons

    Pakistan already has a number of fission weapons. They don't seem to have any interest in using it to create a "palestine". In fact, they only **documented** thing that Pakistan forces have done in the Levant is - slaughter 20,000 Palestinians who got uppity and tried to "Black September" their way into the Palace in Amman. For which, they were handsomely paid by the Saudi-blooded family which was living in said Palace.

    Anyone here besides me, read any Urdu? Take my word for it, the Pakistanis have quite a stormy set of feelings about Arabs. ESPECIALLY Gulf Arabs.


    hey! What exactly *is* that rifle that Ms Hijabi is holding... an M-16 variant? I don't recognize it.
  11. @Talha
    I love Ms. Mercer's articles on Islam! They're so full...of stuff!!!

    It’s not right-wing populism that endangers Jewish survival in Europe and Canada
     
    Umm, have you read some of the comments at UNZ. "Push them into the sea!" apparently is quite popular on this side of the pond - I had no clue.

    it’s the influx of Muslims
     
    OK - please send massive memos to your folks to stop the influx now - they are in the thick of advocating it (and also setting about the causes of it by advocating destabilizing Muslim countries). Please figure out what the hell you want!

    These Muslims bring with them the Islam that The Prophet practiced.
     
    Ahhh - one can certainly dream!

    This Islam does not tolerate Jews.
     
    Which is why practically ever place Islam spread to and kicked out the prevailing Byzantine or Persian or Visigoth, etc. order, your folks thought it was a blessing from God that He raised up the 'Kingdom of Ismael':
    "The angel Metatron at once answered him. 'Fear not, O son of man! The Holy One, blessed be He, brings the kingdom of Ishmael only to save you from this wicked one (Rome) He will send a prophet to them and conquer the Land [of Israel]...And the second king who arises from Ishmael will love [the people of] Israel and conquer all the kingdoms."
    Historical Dictionary of Judaism

    I mean, have you even read your own history?

    Muslims now greatly outnumber Jews in these formerly safe spaces for Judaism.
     
    Doh - I guess we'll have to deal with more illegal settlements now that y'all need to go to Israel for your safe spaces, eh?

    are almost exclusively the handiwork of an ancient hatred
     
    Or extremist mob mentality - take your pick.

    Second only to Latinos, the relatively new, roughly 40-year-old Muslim community is the most anti-Semitic community
     
    Damn it - we can't be first in anything!

    It is virtually impossible to be reared in classical Islam and not be educated to hate Jews
     
    Really - I know plenty of traditionally trained Muslim scholars that don't hate Jews - how did that happen?

    many of the Suras concerning Jews are monstrously hateful, murderous, terrifying
     
    If you understood the context - you'd understand why this is so. I would hope they would be terrified when God declares war on those that plotted to help the enemies of His Prophet (pbuh) - you expect Him to deliver them ice cream from the heavens?
    "It is He who expelled from their habitations the unbelievers among the People of the Book at the first gathering. You did not think that they would go forth, and they thought that their fortresses would defend them against God; but God came upon them from whence they had not reckoned, and He cast terror into their hearts as they destroyed their houses with their own hands, and the hands of the believers; therefore take heed, you who have eyes!" (59:2)

    It astonishes me that people think God should conduct Himself like a chump - where does this mentality come from? I mean, does He own the universe or is it all about your feelings and safe-spaces. Now who's talking SJW?

    according to Islamic teaching, were Muslims, not Jews
     
    Uh no - they were ethnically Jews, but Muslims. Being a Jew can be an ethnic identity or a religious one. All prophets are Muslim for us - their ethnicity is irrelevant.

    condemned anti-Semitism
     
    This is a major problem because many Jewish groups insist that criticism of Israel is anti-semitic - therefore they want to back us up into a corner. Sorry, we won't play that game. We can oppose Israel without hating on Jews. If you can't see that - it's your problem, not ours.

    Islam and Latin America
     
    O crap! The nightmare convergence!

    "MIAMI — Latinos are one of the fastest growing groups in the Muslim religion."
    http://www.voanews.com/a/latinas-converting-to-islam-for-identity-structure/2488304.html

    they heap insults on a president who belongs to one of the most politically submissive, bullied groups: white men
     
    Yeah - that's not smart.

    The proper metaphor for the relationship between Judaism and Christianity is that of proud parent and progeny.
     
    OMG! You have got to be *****ing me - can you seriously write that with a straight face? Man are you going to get seriously nailed by a boatload of UNZ comments for that one! OK, given that we trace ourselves back to Abraham (pbuh) - is our metaphor one of a proud grandparent and grandkids! Can I call you 'Gramps'??!!

    Peace.

    Your Islamo-babble ….lol….. Only the insane and naive don’t know and believe that Islamic demographic Jihad is a threat to Europe and European Jews. It is also an indirect threat to Israel and the world if-when Muslims become strong enough in European governments to control their nuclear weapons and delivery systems. France would be first.
    Having a nuked up wacky Pakistan is bad enough and Pakistan is producing new nukes at a fast clip.

    As far as Canada and America go we are both blessed by having lots fewer Muslims. So not an internal threat at this point.

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  12. Jews are behind the creation of ISIS, the wars, the killings, crisis, etc.
    Jews own central banks which are at the origin of all our economic problemas.
    Jews are the problem.
    Jew George Soros is financing the invasion of muslims.

    Please stop the jewish lies.
    How do you know a jew is lying? Cause he moves his lips.

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  13. @Talha
    I love Ms. Mercer's articles on Islam! They're so full...of stuff!!!

    It’s not right-wing populism that endangers Jewish survival in Europe and Canada
     
    Umm, have you read some of the comments at UNZ. "Push them into the sea!" apparently is quite popular on this side of the pond - I had no clue.

    it’s the influx of Muslims
     
    OK - please send massive memos to your folks to stop the influx now - they are in the thick of advocating it (and also setting about the causes of it by advocating destabilizing Muslim countries). Please figure out what the hell you want!

    These Muslims bring with them the Islam that The Prophet practiced.
     
    Ahhh - one can certainly dream!

    This Islam does not tolerate Jews.
     
    Which is why practically ever place Islam spread to and kicked out the prevailing Byzantine or Persian or Visigoth, etc. order, your folks thought it was a blessing from God that He raised up the 'Kingdom of Ismael':
    "The angel Metatron at once answered him. 'Fear not, O son of man! The Holy One, blessed be He, brings the kingdom of Ishmael only to save you from this wicked one (Rome) He will send a prophet to them and conquer the Land [of Israel]...And the second king who arises from Ishmael will love [the people of] Israel and conquer all the kingdoms."
    Historical Dictionary of Judaism

    I mean, have you even read your own history?

    Muslims now greatly outnumber Jews in these formerly safe spaces for Judaism.
     
    Doh - I guess we'll have to deal with more illegal settlements now that y'all need to go to Israel for your safe spaces, eh?

    are almost exclusively the handiwork of an ancient hatred
     
    Or extremist mob mentality - take your pick.

    Second only to Latinos, the relatively new, roughly 40-year-old Muslim community is the most anti-Semitic community
     
    Damn it - we can't be first in anything!

    It is virtually impossible to be reared in classical Islam and not be educated to hate Jews
     
    Really - I know plenty of traditionally trained Muslim scholars that don't hate Jews - how did that happen?

    many of the Suras concerning Jews are monstrously hateful, murderous, terrifying
     
    If you understood the context - you'd understand why this is so. I would hope they would be terrified when God declares war on those that plotted to help the enemies of His Prophet (pbuh) - you expect Him to deliver them ice cream from the heavens?
    "It is He who expelled from their habitations the unbelievers among the People of the Book at the first gathering. You did not think that they would go forth, and they thought that their fortresses would defend them against God; but God came upon them from whence they had not reckoned, and He cast terror into their hearts as they destroyed their houses with their own hands, and the hands of the believers; therefore take heed, you who have eyes!" (59:2)

    It astonishes me that people think God should conduct Himself like a chump - where does this mentality come from? I mean, does He own the universe or is it all about your feelings and safe-spaces. Now who's talking SJW?

    according to Islamic teaching, were Muslims, not Jews
     
    Uh no - they were ethnically Jews, but Muslims. Being a Jew can be an ethnic identity or a religious one. All prophets are Muslim for us - their ethnicity is irrelevant.

    condemned anti-Semitism
     
    This is a major problem because many Jewish groups insist that criticism of Israel is anti-semitic - therefore they want to back us up into a corner. Sorry, we won't play that game. We can oppose Israel without hating on Jews. If you can't see that - it's your problem, not ours.

    Islam and Latin America
     
    O crap! The nightmare convergence!

    "MIAMI — Latinos are one of the fastest growing groups in the Muslim religion."
    http://www.voanews.com/a/latinas-converting-to-islam-for-identity-structure/2488304.html

    they heap insults on a president who belongs to one of the most politically submissive, bullied groups: white men
     
    Yeah - that's not smart.

    The proper metaphor for the relationship between Judaism and Christianity is that of proud parent and progeny.
     
    OMG! You have got to be *****ing me - can you seriously write that with a straight face? Man are you going to get seriously nailed by a boatload of UNZ comments for that one! OK, given that we trace ourselves back to Abraham (pbuh) - is our metaphor one of a proud grandparent and grandkids! Can I call you 'Gramps'??!!

    Peace.

    Thanks for the delicate levity, Talha. Allow me to give an alternative answer to this:

    It is virtually impossible to be reared in classical Islam and not be educated to hate Jews.

    It is virtually impossible to be reared in Israel and not be educated to hate everyone (else), as this Israeli Jew documented, with a similarly light touch:

    “DEFAMATION”
    A Film by Yoav Shamir

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  14. @Talha
    I love Ms. Mercer's articles on Islam! They're so full...of stuff!!!

    It’s not right-wing populism that endangers Jewish survival in Europe and Canada
     
    Umm, have you read some of the comments at UNZ. "Push them into the sea!" apparently is quite popular on this side of the pond - I had no clue.

    it’s the influx of Muslims
     
    OK - please send massive memos to your folks to stop the influx now - they are in the thick of advocating it (and also setting about the causes of it by advocating destabilizing Muslim countries). Please figure out what the hell you want!

    These Muslims bring with them the Islam that The Prophet practiced.
     
    Ahhh - one can certainly dream!

    This Islam does not tolerate Jews.
     
    Which is why practically ever place Islam spread to and kicked out the prevailing Byzantine or Persian or Visigoth, etc. order, your folks thought it was a blessing from God that He raised up the 'Kingdom of Ismael':
    "The angel Metatron at once answered him. 'Fear not, O son of man! The Holy One, blessed be He, brings the kingdom of Ishmael only to save you from this wicked one (Rome) He will send a prophet to them and conquer the Land [of Israel]...And the second king who arises from Ishmael will love [the people of] Israel and conquer all the kingdoms."
    Historical Dictionary of Judaism

    I mean, have you even read your own history?

    Muslims now greatly outnumber Jews in these formerly safe spaces for Judaism.
     
    Doh - I guess we'll have to deal with more illegal settlements now that y'all need to go to Israel for your safe spaces, eh?

    are almost exclusively the handiwork of an ancient hatred
     
    Or extremist mob mentality - take your pick.

    Second only to Latinos, the relatively new, roughly 40-year-old Muslim community is the most anti-Semitic community
     
    Damn it - we can't be first in anything!

    It is virtually impossible to be reared in classical Islam and not be educated to hate Jews
     
    Really - I know plenty of traditionally trained Muslim scholars that don't hate Jews - how did that happen?

    many of the Suras concerning Jews are monstrously hateful, murderous, terrifying
     
    If you understood the context - you'd understand why this is so. I would hope they would be terrified when God declares war on those that plotted to help the enemies of His Prophet (pbuh) - you expect Him to deliver them ice cream from the heavens?
    "It is He who expelled from their habitations the unbelievers among the People of the Book at the first gathering. You did not think that they would go forth, and they thought that their fortresses would defend them against God; but God came upon them from whence they had not reckoned, and He cast terror into their hearts as they destroyed their houses with their own hands, and the hands of the believers; therefore take heed, you who have eyes!" (59:2)

    It astonishes me that people think God should conduct Himself like a chump - where does this mentality come from? I mean, does He own the universe or is it all about your feelings and safe-spaces. Now who's talking SJW?

    according to Islamic teaching, were Muslims, not Jews
     
    Uh no - they were ethnically Jews, but Muslims. Being a Jew can be an ethnic identity or a religious one. All prophets are Muslim for us - their ethnicity is irrelevant.

    condemned anti-Semitism
     
    This is a major problem because many Jewish groups insist that criticism of Israel is anti-semitic - therefore they want to back us up into a corner. Sorry, we won't play that game. We can oppose Israel without hating on Jews. If you can't see that - it's your problem, not ours.

    Islam and Latin America
     
    O crap! The nightmare convergence!

    "MIAMI — Latinos are one of the fastest growing groups in the Muslim religion."
    http://www.voanews.com/a/latinas-converting-to-islam-for-identity-structure/2488304.html

    they heap insults on a president who belongs to one of the most politically submissive, bullied groups: white men
     
    Yeah - that's not smart.

    The proper metaphor for the relationship between Judaism and Christianity is that of proud parent and progeny.
     
    OMG! You have got to be *****ing me - can you seriously write that with a straight face? Man are you going to get seriously nailed by a boatload of UNZ comments for that one! OK, given that we trace ourselves back to Abraham (pbuh) - is our metaphor one of a proud grandparent and grandkids! Can I call you 'Gramps'??!!

    Peace.

    Sorry! I knew there was a better (focused) copy, couldn’t find it before.

    Defamation (english)
    [It should been called "The Jewish Psychosis". They're brainwashing these Jewish kids to fear people who are not Jewish, teaching them to hate.]

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    RobinG - much thanks for the video!!!

    Peace.
    , @Sam Shama
    Robin,
    Take a rest from pushing Foxman as the Provost of all Jews. He talks about what he thinks is important and it's a free country, isn't it? How many Jewish kids do you know? Or have spoken to who fear others? No Jewish kid I know - and I am fairly sure I know a few more than you do - live in fear of others.
  15. Use of term “anti-semitic”

    It would be really productive to stop using the term “anti-semitic,” as it is unclear what ethnic groups are included in the term “semitic.”

    If one wishes to speak about feelings negative to Jews or Israel, it would be much clearer to use terms such as “anti-Jewish” or “anti-Israel.”

    The “semitic people” are those from ethnic groups that speak semitic languages.

    “The most widely spoken Semitic languages today are (numbers given are for native speakers only) Arabic (300 million),[3] Amharic (22 million),[4] Tigrinya (7 million),[5] Hebrew (unknown; 5 million native and non-native L1 speakers),[6] Aramaic (575,000 to 1 million fluent speakers)[7][8][9] and Maltese (520,000 speakers).[10]”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic_languages

    If one insists on using the term “anti-semitic,” it should be interpreted as including Arabs and Palestinians, as they are also semitic people.

    However, I can’t recall reading any articles that use the term “anti-semitic” as meaning “anti-Arab.”

    How can this inaccuracy be corrected?

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    Everyone, and I mean everyone, with a dog in the fight knows, and I mean knows, that the Semites in anti-Semites are dem Jews. Now, obviously you have a little fire power in that brain of yours. Help us all out and put it to work on a real problem.
  16. Sir Sassoon Eskell, Jewish Iraqi statesman and financier. Also known as Sassoon Effendi. Regarded in Iraq as the Father of Parliament, Sir Sassoon was the first Minister of Finance in the Kingdom and a permanent Member of Parliament until his death in 1932.
    René Qattawi, leader of the Cairo Sephardi community, endorsed the creation in 1935 of the Association of Egyptian Jewish Youth, with its slogan: ‘Egypt is our homeland, Arabic is our language.’ The Qattawi family claimed residence in Egypt since the eighth century, and Yusuf ‘Aslan Pasha (Governor) identified himself as an Egyptian of Jewish faith.
    Joseph Nasi, Jewish statesman and financier who rose to a position of power (duke of Naxos, in Greece) in the Ottoman Empire under the sultans Süleyman the Magnificent and Selim II. Aluaro Mandes was named Duke of Mytylene and Salamon ben Nathan Eskenazi arranged the first diplomatic ties between the Ottoman Turks and the British Empire. Jews all.
    When the Spaniards expelled the Jews, Sultan Bayazid II issued a proclamation ordering his officials to accept the Sephardic Jews into his country. Around 250,000 Jews came to settle in Ottoman lands, with most heading towards Istanbul and Salonika, which absorbed a total of 100,000 Jews.

    So what happened to this cozy Jewish/Muslim relationship?

    I will tell you what happened.

    A bunch of Europeans calling themselves Jews invaded Palestine claiming Divine Right and began slaughtering Muslims – most of whom were indigenous “Jewish” but had embraced Islam during a thousand years of Muslim rule.

    Necessarily brief but that is the bare bones of it.

    Islam is not the Jewish problem, Palestine is.

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  17. “See? Endless religious bickering. This is what we get for letting both Muslims and Jews into this country.”
    Yep.
    They have their own countries and culture.
    If you’re not Anglo we’ll give you Belanglo.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belanglo_State_Forest

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  18. I get so tired of Jews kvetching about anti-Semitism. It’s true, not everybody loves you. Nobody is morally obliged to love you. Get over it.

    I care about as much for Jewish survival as you care about White South African survival, in the rainbow utopia that you worked so hard to establish, then fled.

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    "...I care about as much for Jewish survival as you care about White South African survival, in the rainbow utopia that you worked so hard to establish, then fled..."

    Exactly. Anti-Semtism exist because a very large amount of your people suck and are always trying to destroy the population wherever your reside. If you would stop trying to murder everyone around you and stealing every last dime you can possibly Jew away from them it would go a long ways towards ending anti-Semitism. By the way attacking Whites for the last 100 years or so in the US has not helped any.
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    @ThreeCranes
    See? Endless religious bickering. This is what we get for letting both Muslims and Jews into this country. And our forefathers tried to stave this off, to warn us, but in the name of tolerance and droning the Mantra of "diversity" the dim-witted half of the country supports ever more immigration of imbecilic religious fanatics. We created the wealth and now you pillage it. The gates hang on their hinges. All along the watchtower the lookout sleeps at his post.

    We started out with Puritans, Anglicans, Quakers, and Catholics (etc.). Given that the first two already fought a war in England, I’d say that’s plenty for bickering.

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  20. @Talha
    I love Ms. Mercer's articles on Islam! They're so full...of stuff!!!

    It’s not right-wing populism that endangers Jewish survival in Europe and Canada
     
    Umm, have you read some of the comments at UNZ. "Push them into the sea!" apparently is quite popular on this side of the pond - I had no clue.

    it’s the influx of Muslims
     
    OK - please send massive memos to your folks to stop the influx now - they are in the thick of advocating it (and also setting about the causes of it by advocating destabilizing Muslim countries). Please figure out what the hell you want!

    These Muslims bring with them the Islam that The Prophet practiced.
     
    Ahhh - one can certainly dream!

    This Islam does not tolerate Jews.
     
    Which is why practically ever place Islam spread to and kicked out the prevailing Byzantine or Persian or Visigoth, etc. order, your folks thought it was a blessing from God that He raised up the 'Kingdom of Ismael':
    "The angel Metatron at once answered him. 'Fear not, O son of man! The Holy One, blessed be He, brings the kingdom of Ishmael only to save you from this wicked one (Rome) He will send a prophet to them and conquer the Land [of Israel]...And the second king who arises from Ishmael will love [the people of] Israel and conquer all the kingdoms."
    Historical Dictionary of Judaism

    I mean, have you even read your own history?

    Muslims now greatly outnumber Jews in these formerly safe spaces for Judaism.
     
    Doh - I guess we'll have to deal with more illegal settlements now that y'all need to go to Israel for your safe spaces, eh?

    are almost exclusively the handiwork of an ancient hatred
     
    Or extremist mob mentality - take your pick.

    Second only to Latinos, the relatively new, roughly 40-year-old Muslim community is the most anti-Semitic community
     
    Damn it - we can't be first in anything!

    It is virtually impossible to be reared in classical Islam and not be educated to hate Jews
     
    Really - I know plenty of traditionally trained Muslim scholars that don't hate Jews - how did that happen?

    many of the Suras concerning Jews are monstrously hateful, murderous, terrifying
     
    If you understood the context - you'd understand why this is so. I would hope they would be terrified when God declares war on those that plotted to help the enemies of His Prophet (pbuh) - you expect Him to deliver them ice cream from the heavens?
    "It is He who expelled from their habitations the unbelievers among the People of the Book at the first gathering. You did not think that they would go forth, and they thought that their fortresses would defend them against God; but God came upon them from whence they had not reckoned, and He cast terror into their hearts as they destroyed their houses with their own hands, and the hands of the believers; therefore take heed, you who have eyes!" (59:2)

    It astonishes me that people think God should conduct Himself like a chump - where does this mentality come from? I mean, does He own the universe or is it all about your feelings and safe-spaces. Now who's talking SJW?

    according to Islamic teaching, were Muslims, not Jews
     
    Uh no - they were ethnically Jews, but Muslims. Being a Jew can be an ethnic identity or a religious one. All prophets are Muslim for us - their ethnicity is irrelevant.

    condemned anti-Semitism
     
    This is a major problem because many Jewish groups insist that criticism of Israel is anti-semitic - therefore they want to back us up into a corner. Sorry, we won't play that game. We can oppose Israel without hating on Jews. If you can't see that - it's your problem, not ours.

    Islam and Latin America
     
    O crap! The nightmare convergence!

    "MIAMI — Latinos are one of the fastest growing groups in the Muslim religion."
    http://www.voanews.com/a/latinas-converting-to-islam-for-identity-structure/2488304.html

    they heap insults on a president who belongs to one of the most politically submissive, bullied groups: white men
     
    Yeah - that's not smart.

    The proper metaphor for the relationship between Judaism and Christianity is that of proud parent and progeny.
     
    OMG! You have got to be *****ing me - can you seriously write that with a straight face? Man are you going to get seriously nailed by a boatload of UNZ comments for that one! OK, given that we trace ourselves back to Abraham (pbuh) - is our metaphor one of a proud grandparent and grandkids! Can I call you 'Gramps'??!!

    Peace.

    Talha has taken some time off from his 200,000 word magnum opus entitled Why it is totally normal for geriatric sex addicts to donk nine year olds to comment on the favourite subject of every moderate Muslim, namely don’t look at me, look at the Jews!. Let’s check out the results.

    OK – please send massive memos to your folks to stop the influx now – they are in the thick of advocating it

    Oops! Basic comprehension fail, that’s literally the point of her article.

    (and also setting about the causes of it by advocating destabilizing Muslim countries)

    Getting better, more on topic. IT’S ALL THEIR FAULT OUT COUNTRIES SUCK SO MUCH!!!!!!.

    Doh – I guess we’ll have to deal with more illegal settlements now that y’all need to go to Israel for your safe spaces, eh?

    Well I do believe you are the drollest person in your chair. A moderate Muslim thinks it’s funny that Jews have to flee to Israel. Let’s check out what moderate Muslims think is funny.

    Halimi was found naked, handcuffed, and bound with nylon rope to a tree about 40 yards (37 metres) inside a woodlot near a railway station, just outside Paris, on February 13, 2006. It was reported that more than 80% of his body had been burned with acid, as well as gasoline (possibly to destroy evidence of his captors’ DNA), to the point that he was difficult to recognize. He had severe contusions, blood blisters, and hematomas covering most of his body (to the point that he was more blue than flesh-colored), multiple broken bones, one ear and one big toe missing. Most of his penis appeared to have been burned off, and his testicles were described as ” like blackened oranges.” Halimi died en route to a hospital.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Affair_of_the_Gang_of_Barbarians

    ROFLs!

    Both actually. But Muslim nations are signatories to international protocols – the upholding of which are moral imperatives since we are not allowed to commit treachery. All of our actions of resistance or change must abide by the legal framework we have signed up to.

    Which incidentally allows Palestinians the right to resist, with force, illegal occupation.

    1) The Oslo accords explicitly forbid this. Good job, that in reality Muslims are commanded to commit treachery.

    2) The PLO was founded three years before the existence of an occupation, illegal or otherwise. Good job that Muslims don’t have to abide by silly kaffir concepts like linear time.

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    Hey Gabriel,

    that’s literally the point of her article
     
    Well, she doesn't say that explicitly, but sure, I'll give you that - I can see how that is implied.

    IT’S ALL THEIR FAULT OUT COUNTRIES SUCK SO MUCH!!!!!!.
     
    No, actually my point was; our countries suck - stop making them suckier.

    For the record, Ms. Mercer has actually called out Neocons before, but not so much when interests with Israel coincide.


    A moderate Muslim thinks it’s funny that Jews have to flee to Israel.
     
    Neither do I think it's funny Jews have to flee, nor do I think it's funny that they will end up in more illegal settlements in the WB. But I can see a cynical setup when I see it - that's what I was calling her out on.

    The_Affair_of_the_Gang_of_Barbarians and Beslan
     
    Wait, how are these people 'moderate' exactly? I mean, should I say Baruch Goldstein was a moderate or the guy who whacked Rabin?

    These are the words I stated about Beslan - in a comment directed at you:
    "For the record, I believe Beslan was the most horrific terrorist action ever to take place because it was a deliberate targeting of children – utterly deplorable."
    http://www.unz.com/article/review-against-our-better-judgment/?highlight=beslan#comment-1650355

    Man, you are desperate. Now I have a way, way more nuanced view of Jews than you have of Muslims so I don't really care all that much, where you try to sport your moral superiority or try to label me. I have dealt with honest rational Jews and dishonest ones - the conversations are very different; one is engagement, one is juvenile. Jews like you have one priority, Israel, all other considerations, morals, tactics, etc. are secondary - you sacrifice the truth at your altar: "Hear O God; our Lord is Israel!"

    I can see it in your desperate mudslinging again and again.

    Fortunately, I know of a time when Jews and Muslims didn't have this antagonism, and my perspective is guided by the history in Muslim lands - not what happened to Jews in Europe. There was a time when honest, academic Jews were actually the ones trying to open Western minds to the cultural heritage of Islam and build bridges:
    "In the development of Islamic studies in European and, later, American universities, Jews, and in particular Jews of Orthodox background and education, play an altogether disproportionate role...Jewish scholars did much to bring these achievements of the Islamic genius to Western notice and inculcate in the Western mind a less prejudiced and more sympathetic understanding of Islam. There had been many biographies of Muhammad in Europe; Weil's was the first that was free from the prejudice and polemic, based on a profound yet critical knowledge of the Arabic sources, and informed by a sympathetic understanding of Muslim belief and piety."
    Islam in History: Ideas, People, and Events in the Middle East

    And they wrote books like this:
    "In Knowledge Triumphant, Franz Rosenthal observes that the Islamic civilization is one that is essentially characterized by knowledge ('ilm), for 'ilm is one of those concepts that have dominated Islam and given Muslim civilization its distinctive shape and complexion."
    https://www.amazon.com/Knowledge-Triumphant-Concept-Medieval-Classics/dp/9004153861

    Now, there are still some honest Jewish academics exist (and I quote from them) but many of the opportunistic pseudo-intellectuals that cheer lead for Israel couldn't be bothered about the truth. Good thing is, I see people waking up to the truth the harder you try.

    As far as Oslo - please:
    "It's now clear: the Oslo peace accords were wrecked by Netanyahu's bad faith by Avi Shlaim
    I thought the peace accords 20 years ago could work, but Israel used them as cover for its colonial project in Palestine"
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/12/oslo-israel-reneged-colonial-palestine

    Peace.

  21. @Talha
    Love the graphic by the way...a little bit of myth...a little bit of reality:

    http://militaryhistorynow.com/2013/09/04/meet-the-white-tights-the-mythical-spandex-bombshells-of-the-chechen-war/

    https://www.amazon.com/Allahs-Angels-Chechen-Women-War/dp/1591145422

    Peace.

    Other survivors told how screaming teenage girls were dragged into rooms adjoining the gymnasium where they were being held and raped by their Chechen captors who chillingly made a video film of their appalling exploits

    They said children were forced to drink their own urine and eat the petals off the flowers they had brought their teachers after nearly three days without food or water in the stifling hot gym.

    https://www.jihadwatch.org/2004/09/beslan-they-knifed-babies-they-raped-girls

    As a moderate Muslim would say….. LMAOROFL ….. OMFG A JEW BUILT A ROOF EXTENSION IN EAST JERUSALEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Time for you to have a new tutorial -

    1 "General Antonio Taguba, who investigated charges of torture in Iraq, reported numerous episodes of porno torture. At Abu Gharib, detained Muslim boys were sodomized and detained Muslim girls were raped. Detained Muslim men were stripped naked and stacked in pyramids. Some were forced to engage in oral sex with each other. Some were forced to wear female underwears. Reports from the Gunatanamo gulag are no less pornographic. One Muslim detainee was smeared with the menstrual blood of a prostitute." http://www.counterpunch.org/2005/09/28/the-invention-of-porno-torture/

    2 Sodomy, burning of genitalia, rape in front of other---http://www.counterpunch.org/2009/08/14/sexual-torture-yet-again/

    3 DRAWING FROM REGRESSIVE BC 4 TH CENTURY CULTURE COMPARED TO MUSLIMS'S 7 CENTURY CULTURE --- "A Sumerian myth from early in the third millennium B.C., tells of Geshtinanna, sister of the god Dumuzi, who is consort of the goddess Inanna. Geshtinanna is tortured by the underworld demons, the Galla, to reveal where Dumuzi is hiding. They pour hot pitch into her vulva. "

    4 MAKE IT MORE SCIENTIFIC RATHER THAN FANATIC REGRESSIVE ANTI SCIENCE THE WAY MUSLIMS DO - BRING PSYCHOLOGIST TO DEVISE TORTURE ,DEGRADATIONS,AND PERSONAL GRATIFICATION OR ELEVATING SADISM TO MAINSTREAM LEVEL---Jane Mayer’s new book, The Dark Side,
    , @KA
    1 Last summer, the third U.S. soldier from Company B, First Battalion, 502nd Infantry, 101st Airborne Division, was sentenced for his part in the rape and murder of an Iraqi family in Mahmudiya, a Sunni town 20 miles south of Baghdad. As some might recall, these soldiers broke into a family home, raped the teenage Abeer Qassim al-Janabi while her parents and a 7-year-old sister were locked in a backroom, and then killed her and her family. For their crimes, the soldiers received a combined total prison sentence of over three hundred years.



    Steven Green, described as the ringleader, was discharged in May 2006 on psychiatric grounds
    . Court testimony indicates the following sequence of horror: Cortez and Barker raped the girl; Green shot the parents and younger sister; he then raped the older girl, killed her and they poured kerosene on her body and set it on fire. http://www.counterpunch.org/2008/04/04/rape-as-an-instrument-of-total-war/


    2 The Civil War general, William Tecumseh Sherman, pioneered total war during his infamous “march to the sea” in 1864. His campaign effectively destroyed his enemy in both physical and spiritual senses; it ended America’s most consequential military engagement.

    Sherman believed that war should be total, that it should be extended from a conflict between recognized combatants to a conflict involving an enemy’s entire society, including its natural resources, farming and food supply, utilities and other aspects of civilian life.


    3 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/may/22/iraq.usa1 ---the Washington Post report, one detainee, Kasim Hilas, describes the rape of an Iraqi boy by a man in uniform, whose name has been blacked out of the statement, but who appears to be a translator working for the army.

    "I saw [name blacked out] fucking a kid, his age would be about 15-18 years. The kid was hurting very bad and they covered all the doors with sheets. Then when I heard the screaming I climbed the door because on top it wasn't covered and I saw [blacked out], who was wearing the military uniform putting his dick in the little kid's ass," Mr Hilas told military investigators. "I couldn't see the face of the kid because his face wasn't in front of the door. And the female soldier was taking pictures." Another inmate, Thaar Dawod, describes more abuse of teenage Iraqis. "They came with two boys naked and they were cuffed together face to face and Grainer [Corporal Charles Graner, one of the military policemen facing court martial] was beating them and a group of guards were watching and taking pictures from top and bottom and there was three female soldiers laughing at the prisoners," he said.



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  22. What a manipulating writer and dishonest article. All Ilana Mercer ever thinks about is the always-imperiled safety of HER precious people, never the reverse. Her hyper-ethnocentrism is both insulting and small-minded.

    Isn’t it about time that gentiles kept running tabs on the threats, humiliations, and genuine security issues posed by Jews upon them?

    What about the impact of Jewish activism on all of humanity, Ilana? It’s bone-crushing!

    Shall we do a body count, starting with the Russian revolution?

    And how about Israel’s nuclear arsenal?

    Why isn’t Israel’s undeclared array of nuclear WMD not considered a critical security threat to the entire region? After all, it is.

    Can we talk about it?–or is doing so ‘anti-Semitic’?

    And how about what holy Jewish scripture says about the goyim? Not very flattering.

    In fact, it’s worse than what the Koran says about Jews!

    Why shouldn’t the outrage go both ways?

    Jewish disdain similarly applies to Christians. To countless religious Jews, Christ is an imposter who deserves to be “boiled in excrement”. Not very neighborly, eh?

    What should we do about this, Ms. Mercer?

    Jewish fundamentalism is often shocking, revolting, and threatening. But don’t hold your breath waiting for Mercer to come clean about these theological embarrassments or the countless double-standards that benefit her tribe and her adopted apartheid welfare state. Pursuing the truth just isn’t her shtick.

    Indeed, like so many of her co-ethnics, Mercer’s present strategy is to turn Christians against Muslims. This works out rather nicely for Israel. Just look at the smoldering ruins of Iraq, Palestine, Libya and Syria; not to mention the ongoing economic strangulation of Iran. These are crypto-Zionist operations. And if Israel gets its way, there will be more.

    Ilana Mercer is a hasbara operative posing as a Zio-libertarian. But don’t be fooled. She and her brethren work tirelessly to divide-up Israel’s ever-expanding list of victims, dupes and adversaries. She’s presently spinning a political yarn using a hip, American, libertarian smokescreen. But it’s 100% kosher. If it wasn’t, she would be complaining about how US-based Israelis use American power to steer Washington into expensive and unnecessary wars of aggression that benefit the Zionist state. This huge and obvious oversight permeates Mercer’s entire ‘libertarian’ ideology. I’m amazed that Unz even publishes her.

    Thus, you will never hear a comment or position from Mercer that exalts the libertarian principle of non-aggression. Why? It undermines the long-term Zionist project which requires expansion, conquest and war–as well as uninterrupted military succor from Uncle Sam.

    These deceptions explain why ruinous invasions and foreign-funded revolts are being orchestrated all over the globe by pro-Zionists of various ideological persuasions. And among the cheerleaders is Zio-libertarian, Ilana Mercer.

    ‘Why do those evil anti-Semites hate us so?’

    Oy vey.

    At the same time, the Zionist state continues to siphon off resources and wealth from innumerable peoples as it sets the groundwork for additional conflict.

    No genuine libertarian could support such wasteful, violent, and lethal state action. In fact, any honest libertarian would necessarily denounce Israel for its hyper-sonic levels of interference, aggression and parasitism upon the American republic. Not Mercer.

    She’d rather bellyache about Palestinian rock-throwers, stateless Iraqi paupers, and other threats to ‘Jewish survival’. This is tribalism, not libertarianism.

    Indeed, if she was a libertarian, Mercer would caution us Americans to mind our own business and stop waging non-essential wars against distant Muslim states. This is what Ron Paul has been doing for decades. Not Mercer.

    In fact, Mercer’s living happily and securely in her kosher, socialist apartheid state, kvetching about ‘anti-Semitism’ and the poor treatment of Jews at the hands of evil Muslims. Might it be that her entire political scenario is a fraud?–and that the very reverse is more accurate?

    It is the vast, unchecked power of international Jewry–not Islam–that undermines American security and global stability.

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    Well said.
    , @chris
    very well put, Mark!
    , @Talha
    Mr. Green,

    This is what Ron Paul has been doing for decades. Not Mercer.
     
    Bam! This right there is the key - when someone touts their Libertarian credentials, put them up next to Dr. Paul (the 'Gold Standard' - he'd love that moniker) and you'll know how far diluted they are.

    Peace.
    , @John Chard
    I don't normally "white knight" but this remarkably illogical and poorly researched comment really triggered me:

    What a manipulating writer and dishonest article. All Ilana Mercer ever thinks about is the always-imperiled safety of HER precious people, never the reverse. Her hyper-ethnocentrism is both insulting and small-minded.
     
    So you're opposed to---indeed, disgusted by--- ethnocentrism, in this case a Jew wondering whether certain policies are good or bad for Jews? You must also be opposed to Europeans and Euro-Americans (as well as Japanese, Palestinians, Bolivians, Nigerians, etc.) analyzing whether certain policies are good or bad for them, right?

    What a crazy random happenstance that, of all the ethnic groups in the world whose present and/or historical ethnocentrism you could have devoted your comment to criticizing, you chose one that represents less than 0.2% of the world's population.


    Isn’t it about time that gentiles kept running tabs on the threats, humiliations, and genuine security issues posed by Jews upon them?

    What about the impact of Jewish activism on all of humanity, Ilana? It’s bone-crushing!
     

    I'm just curious, do you also believe in the principle of collective guilt as it applies to Europeans, or just Jews? For example, do you think that, as many leftists (ludicrously) do, present-day Europeans are responsible for the atrocities committed against non-white indigenes during colonialism, and thus owe a huge moral debt to said non-Europeans today?

    Shall we do a body count, starting with the Russian revolution?

    And how about Israel’s nuclear arsenal?

    Why isn’t Israel’s undeclared array of nuclear WMD not considered a critical security threat to the entire region? After all, it is.
     

    The ethnic composition of early 20th century Communist movements and Middle Eastern high geopolitics definitely seem very relevant to this article about Muslim immigration and the relationship of Jewish interest organizations thereof.

    Can we talk about it?–or is doing so ‘anti-Semitic’?
     
    Yeah, when does anybody in the United States or Europe ever debate whether Israel's behavior and the US's enablement thereof is good or not? I hear it's a particularly trivial issue on college campuses. And prominent, passionate, American critics of the Israeli state's behavior, like Noam Chomsky, Norman Finklestein and Glenn Greenwald, are also all Gentiles.

    Again, this all seems very relevant to the original article.


    Ilana Mercer is a hasbara operative posing as a Zio-libertarian
     
    I have no idea, not being a frequent reader of Mercer's work, whether this is true or not, though judging from the first page of her published articles on Unz dot com and Wiki page it doesn't really seem like an accurate characterization of her place in the American political ecosystem.

    Regardless, it seems like the appropriate place to raise such concerns about Mercer's views about Israel and/or American foreign policy would be...an article actually about Israel and/or American foreign policy.


    ‘Why do those evil anti-Semites hate us so?’
     
    I do indeed find it difficult to understand why you have such intense anger about these particular issues, and why you translate your nominal disagreement with the behavior of the Israeli and American governments and militaries into hatred of Jews as a people.

    You'll be shocked to hear this, I know, but many people are capable of articulating critiques of decisions made by governments, like that of Israel, without also randomly foaming at the mouth with hatred at people who have the same ethnic background as members of said governments.


    Indeed, if she was a libertarian, Mercer would caution us Americans to mind our own business and stop waging non-essential wars against distant Muslim states. This is what Ron Paul has been doing for decades. Not Mercer.
     
    Indeed, if you were an intellectually honest human being, you would have at least, say, done a cursory Google search and Wikipedia perusal to see if your claims were easily disproved. Mercer apparently opposed the Libya and Iraq interventions and has long criticized neoconservatism (Wiki credits her with coming up with Steve Sailer's beloved "invade the world/invite the world" framing.)

    Thus, even by your own fallacious "you don't talk/talk often enough about my pet hobbyhorse, your argument is invalid" standard, your argument is wrong. Sad!

    Of course, when exposing the perfidy and power of The Jews, it's hardly necessarily to waste one's time doing "factual research" to separate real facts from alternative facts.

    , @jack ryan
    "Indeed, if she was a libertarian, Mercer would caution us Americans to mind our own business and stop waging non-essential wars against distant Muslim states. This is what Ron Paul has been doing for decades. Not Mercer."

    I respond:

    Yes, Ron Paul has been saying "leave the Muslims alone in their countries and they won't hurt us or hate us in ours". Ron Paul said in 2016 that Muslims can't hurt or even threaten us because Muslim nations don't have navies. This in the year that Muslim smuggling navies were landing 2,000 plus young Muslim men on Greek and Italy beaches every single day! This at a time when Muslim migrant men were organization mass sexual assaults on German girls in Cologne and other cities.

    It's simply a huge lie that America or Western Europe's huge problems with Muslims, Arabs is that we have sinned against the Palestinians. Sweden's Lib Leftist government and media has been pro Palestinian and anti Israel for.... forever - and Muslims still riot and sexually harass and rape Swedish girls. It's just what low IQ Muslims Arabs, Turks, Pakistanis do.

    And let's please get away from the idea that Arabs or other other Muslims will be content to stay in their countries. The whole concept of the Nation State is Western European. The Turkish secular republic is the only somewhat Islamic society that really went for this, now they backsliding.

    Simply stated the Muslims want what we have - they want our land, our cities, our boys and girls.

    I'm not giving it to them or wasting my time with idiotic Ron Paul Libertarian fantasy worlds.

    Jees
  23. I have come across many ignorant people on the topic of Islam but this author takes the cake. She has no idea what she is talking about. Jews are the cry babies of the human race. They begged God to give them land. He did but they wanted more or they complained that it was not what they wanted. They wanted food from heaven. When they got that, they wanted more. They found one reason or other to cry. Reading the Torah, you would think that they were the most persecuted people even when they had the power. They always cried for more. They own more than half the wealth in the world but they want more. They want compensation for holocaust. They fit the image of a stereotypical Jew sucking the last drop of blood.

    They had Christ killed but they can’t be accused of that because that would be anti-Semitic. They even made the pope apologize for it. They commit atrocities against Palestinians but you can’t talk about it because that would be anti-Semitic. They own Americans so how dare these American talk about Jews. That would be anti-Semitic. I have read the first amendment several times but I cannot find the exception clause, i.e. one has freedom of speech as long as the speech is not against the jews. They have even hijacked the term semite so now it is used exclusively for the Jews. Chuck Schumer is as much a Semite as Jesse Jackson is. Semite refers to the residents of a geographical area not people of a certain religion.

    The same sorts say nothing publicly about the waves of Muslims washing up on Europe’s shores. One wonders if they know this intake doesn’t represent a new Islamic Golden Age.

    They didn’t say anything publicly when the waves of Jews washed up to the American shores from Europe.

    These Muslims bring with them the Islam that The Prophet practiced. This Islam does not tolerate Jews.

    This comment alone tells me that the author has no idea about what Islam is. She must have learned it from the two of the most famous American “Muslims,” Daniel Pipe and Pamella Geller. The way these two depicts Islam and the prophet, I am surprised there is any Jew left in the world. With the Muslims ruling Middle East and the Europe all the Jews would have been killed by the Jew-hating Muslims. Whatever remained would have been killed by the Christians. But the history tells us that not only Jews were not exterminated but actually thrived under the Muslim rule. They owned businesses even during the time of the prophet.

    Second only to Latinos, the relatively new, roughly 40-year-old Muslim community is the most anti-Semitic community in the U.S. Explained Stephen Steinlight

    Notwithstanding the fact that the majority of this Muslim community is itself Semite.

    The proper metaphor for the relationship between Judaism and Christianity is that of proud parent and progeny.

    Sorry, the proper metaphor should be the Arrogant Masters and the meek slaves.

    “It is virtually impossible to be reared in classical Islam and not be educated to hate Jews—based on a literalist reading of the Koran, where many of the Suras concerning Jews are monstrously hateful, murderous, terrifying, as well as the literature of the Sunnah.

    It is not easy to understand Qur’an by literalist read. People whose tongue is Arabic have spent their life time studying and trying to understand Qur’an. There is nothing that says that a Muslim has to hate Jews. Actually, it says that the Jews and the Christians are the “People of the book.” What the Jews don’t like about Qur’an is that God describes in detail how the Jews treated the various prophets he sent.

    Even during the Prophet’s life time the Jews were treacherous. They would make treaties with the Muslims and at the last minute break them. God condemns this behavior for what it was.

    all the prophets and great figures of the Hebrew Bible, according to Islamic teaching, were Muslims, not Jews

    The term Jew did not come into picture until the second millennium so the Prophets could not have been Jews. On the other hand, Muslim means the one who submits to the will of God. All prophets submitted to the will of God and hence they were all Muslims.

    There is an anecdote in Qur’an about the Jews. The Jews of Medinah used to taunt Muslims that they were God’s chosen people and that he loves them and they love him. God told the Prophet to tell the Jews that if they loved God so much they should wish for death so that they could meet God. Sadly, there were no takers.

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    This comment alone tells me that the author has no idea about what Islam is. She must have learned it from the two of the most famous American “Muslims,” Daniel Pipe and Pamella Geller. The way these two depicts Islam and the prophet, I am surprised there is any Jew left in the world. With the Muslims ruling Middle East and the Europe all the Jews would have been killed by the Jew-hating Muslims.
     
    LOL, I surely like your level of "expertise". It is about the same as that of Edward Said.

    It is not easy to understand Qur’an by literalist read.
     
    And so is any other scripture. Yet, people managed to do this just fine. And then there are Hadith, Tafsir etc. And where did I hear this story about Islam before? ;-)
    , @Z-man
    Agreed!!
    , @Karl
    23 MEexpert > They had Christ killed

    ...God the Father didn't exactly cut Jesus a set of orders reciting: "Go to Jerusalem on Spring Break with your carpentry earnings, and fuck lots of hot Midianite chicks", did He?

    Jesus wanted the suicide mission - he got the suicide mission.
    , @Sam J.
    "...Second only to Latinos, the relatively new, roughly 40-year-old Muslim community is the most anti-Semitic community in the U.S. Explained Stephen Steinlight..."

    You just wait. When the broad majority of Americans know what you've done to our country and your past history you'll be crying to live with the Muslims.
  24. Thank God Mercer is the only jew who is allowed to publish this irrational drivel on unz.com – clearly, the real problem is the self-destructive behavior of the jews in Israel who are hellbent in their quest for Palestinian genocide. The reaction of Muslims to Israel and the jews is a result of this malignant and metastasizing Israeli colonization of Palestine. This is the real elephant in the room which of course Mercer does not appropriately acknowledge in her article.

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    @Talha
    I love Ms. Mercer's articles on Islam! They're so full...of stuff!!!

    It’s not right-wing populism that endangers Jewish survival in Europe and Canada
     
    Umm, have you read some of the comments at UNZ. "Push them into the sea!" apparently is quite popular on this side of the pond - I had no clue.

    it’s the influx of Muslims
     
    OK - please send massive memos to your folks to stop the influx now - they are in the thick of advocating it (and also setting about the causes of it by advocating destabilizing Muslim countries). Please figure out what the hell you want!

    These Muslims bring with them the Islam that The Prophet practiced.
     
    Ahhh - one can certainly dream!

    This Islam does not tolerate Jews.
     
    Which is why practically ever place Islam spread to and kicked out the prevailing Byzantine or Persian or Visigoth, etc. order, your folks thought it was a blessing from God that He raised up the 'Kingdom of Ismael':
    "The angel Metatron at once answered him. 'Fear not, O son of man! The Holy One, blessed be He, brings the kingdom of Ishmael only to save you from this wicked one (Rome) He will send a prophet to them and conquer the Land [of Israel]...And the second king who arises from Ishmael will love [the people of] Israel and conquer all the kingdoms."
    Historical Dictionary of Judaism

    I mean, have you even read your own history?

    Muslims now greatly outnumber Jews in these formerly safe spaces for Judaism.
     
    Doh - I guess we'll have to deal with more illegal settlements now that y'all need to go to Israel for your safe spaces, eh?

    are almost exclusively the handiwork of an ancient hatred
     
    Or extremist mob mentality - take your pick.

    Second only to Latinos, the relatively new, roughly 40-year-old Muslim community is the most anti-Semitic community
     
    Damn it - we can't be first in anything!

    It is virtually impossible to be reared in classical Islam and not be educated to hate Jews
     
    Really - I know plenty of traditionally trained Muslim scholars that don't hate Jews - how did that happen?

    many of the Suras concerning Jews are monstrously hateful, murderous, terrifying
     
    If you understood the context - you'd understand why this is so. I would hope they would be terrified when God declares war on those that plotted to help the enemies of His Prophet (pbuh) - you expect Him to deliver them ice cream from the heavens?
    "It is He who expelled from their habitations the unbelievers among the People of the Book at the first gathering. You did not think that they would go forth, and they thought that their fortresses would defend them against God; but God came upon them from whence they had not reckoned, and He cast terror into their hearts as they destroyed their houses with their own hands, and the hands of the believers; therefore take heed, you who have eyes!" (59:2)

    It astonishes me that people think God should conduct Himself like a chump - where does this mentality come from? I mean, does He own the universe or is it all about your feelings and safe-spaces. Now who's talking SJW?

    according to Islamic teaching, were Muslims, not Jews
     
    Uh no - they were ethnically Jews, but Muslims. Being a Jew can be an ethnic identity or a religious one. All prophets are Muslim for us - their ethnicity is irrelevant.

    condemned anti-Semitism
     
    This is a major problem because many Jewish groups insist that criticism of Israel is anti-semitic - therefore they want to back us up into a corner. Sorry, we won't play that game. We can oppose Israel without hating on Jews. If you can't see that - it's your problem, not ours.

    Islam and Latin America
     
    O crap! The nightmare convergence!

    "MIAMI — Latinos are one of the fastest growing groups in the Muslim religion."
    http://www.voanews.com/a/latinas-converting-to-islam-for-identity-structure/2488304.html

    they heap insults on a president who belongs to one of the most politically submissive, bullied groups: white men
     
    Yeah - that's not smart.

    The proper metaphor for the relationship between Judaism and Christianity is that of proud parent and progeny.
     
    OMG! You have got to be *****ing me - can you seriously write that with a straight face? Man are you going to get seriously nailed by a boatload of UNZ comments for that one! OK, given that we trace ourselves back to Abraham (pbuh) - is our metaphor one of a proud grandparent and grandkids! Can I call you 'Gramps'??!!

    Peace.

    Yours are among the most valuable comments on this website. Thank you for taking the time to question and challenge assertions of others, which helps us all to think things through for ourselves.

    I hope that Ms. Mercer will find the time to address your points.

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    It is unlikely, in the extreme, that the author will respond to the ravings of an idiot.
  26. @ThreeCranes
    See? Endless religious bickering. This is what we get for letting both Muslims and Jews into this country. And our forefathers tried to stave this off, to warn us, but in the name of tolerance and droning the Mantra of "diversity" the dim-witted half of the country supports ever more immigration of imbecilic religious fanatics. We created the wealth and now you pillage it. The gates hang on their hinges. All along the watchtower the lookout sleeps at his post.

    Bickering is what we do. It’s a compulsion. Inherited from our reptilian ancesters. Has to do with determining who breeds.
    The only prophet worth reading is one who unambiguously predicts future events without the need for “interpretation”.

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  27. I don’t worry much about the Jews, they’re pretty good at lookin after themselves. Body for body the Jews are waaaaay out front on this one. A new crusade is forming, there’s gonna be dead Mussies everywhere soon. They came lookin for trouble and they found it.

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  28. Jews, not Islam, are the elephant in the room threatening white survival in America and Europe.

    I don’t care care about Jews or Israel, and few Jews seem to care about the survival of whites or their homelands.

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  29. Here it goes again! The same old tired and predictable tune, the same recognizable chorus from the victimhood deck cards. A predictable Jewish classic.
    If you don’t want all those muz to seek refuge across the West, stop regime changes madness in setting ablaze the Middle East through your neocons minions.
    Also, if Jews were so concerned with an Islamic threat, they should push Israel to stop “sucking the Wahhabi dicks” … (In reference to Bernard Henry Levy infamous quote)
    BTW, methinks that those red nails polish of that woman wearing the jihab are a bit haram … or is that the cover of the new SAS book?

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  30. All these groups, certainly the Jewish ones, are silent about the existential elephant in the room that truly imperils Jewish survival…

    Truth be told, the real elephant in the room, is not Islam, it is The Lobby, as it threatens the survival of Western societies (see Barbara Lerner Spectre, Founding Director of Paideia Stockholm)

    The same sorts say nothing publicly about the waves of Muslims washing up on Europe’s shores.

    Not true. The Clarion Project (formerly The Clarion Fund) has done tremendous work warning The Dumb Goy about the impeding Muslim immigration disaster through a trilogy of films: Obsession, The Third Jihad, and Iranium. As you well know, along with these films, the islamophobia propagated by Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller inspired Anders Breivik to go on a killing spree and kill over 70 of his fellow Norwegians.

    The violent assaults on Jews and their property in Europe and Canada are almost exclusively the handiwork of an ancient hatred, nurtured within Islamic countries, arrivals from which President Trump is trying to curb.

    I thought it was the Muslims who welcomed the Jews who were thrown out after the Spanish Inquisition in 1492. Didn’t the Ottoman Empire serve as a refuge for Jewish refugees from Spanish empire? Comparatively speaking, didn’t the Jews fare much better living in Muslim rather than Christian lands (was the Shoah perpetrated by Muslims or Christians)?

    “It is virtually impossible to be reared in classical Islam and not be educated to hate Jews—based on a literalist reading of the Koran, where many of the Suras concerning Jews are monstrously hateful, murderous, terrifying,…

    It was many years ago, so I could be wrong, but I don’t recall reading any hateful passages in the Koran regarding The People of The Book. Perhaps you could furnish a few examples?

    Led by these characters—the Ann Frank Center, the obnoxious Anti-Defamation League—Jews have managed to cast themselves as just another faction in the noisy, multicultural mob that is America.

    According to Prof. MacDonald, The Lobby did not confine itself to being merely a part of the cast. It was the entire Film Studio that put on this production, furnishing everything from the Producers, Directors, screenwriters, music, wardrobe, makeup, etc. (see Culture of Critique)

    Based on the foregoing, I would offer the following title for your next piece:

    “The Lobby, Not Islam, Is the Elephant In the Room, Threatening Western-Goy Survival”

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    Good stuff Geo,

    inspired Anders Breivik to go on a killing spree and kill over 70 of his fellow Norwegians
     
    Yeah - when I heard about that, I was like - what the ****??!! So you want to save the White Christian Europeans by killing a bunch of their own kids - makes perfect sense!

    That Geller and Spencer stuff should come with a mental health warning.

    Maybe Palestinians need to start throwing rocks at each other pronto - the Holy Land shall be ours, my brothas!!!

    Reminds me of this clip from 'Four Lions':
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAqIFtlH_hA

    Peace.
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    @Wally
    "What remains of a European Jewry devastated by the Holocaust ..."

    What a load of self-serving Zionist nonsense.

    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the laughable 'holocaust' scam debunked here:
    http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com

    ‘Jewish groups get up to 97% of grants from the Homeland Security’
    http://mondoweiss.net/2012/07/islamophobia-shmislamophobia-97-of-homeland-security-security-grants-go-to-jewish-orgs/
    Fact:
    every US taxpayers ‘loan’ that “that shitty little country” has received has never been paid back. The Israeli Occupied Congress curiously “forgives/forgave” all these huge debts.
    and:
    “Two Secretive Israeli Companies Reportedly Bugged The US Telecommunications Grid For The NSA”
    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/israelis-bugged-the-us-for-the-nsa-2013-6#ixzz3NxPnnUFg
    and:
    “IDF Unit 8200 Cyberwar Veterans Developed NSA Snooping Technology”
    http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2013/06/08/idf-unit-8200-cyberwar-veterans-developed-nsa-snooping-technology/
    also:
    The Costs to American Taxpayers of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: $3 Trillion
    http://www.wrmea.org/2003-june/the-costs-to-american-taxpayers-of-the-israeli-palestinian-conflict-$3-trillion.html

    Of course, auditing the Federal Reserve is being resisted tooth & nail by Zionist interests. Why?
    and then:
    “There’s no business like Shoah business.”

    You seem like someone with an ax to grind

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    I actually don't mind wally 's repetitive comments. It's so common for the holocaust to be passed off as historical fact, and Wally' s comment is a justified response to the article's author doing just that.
  32. These leaders refuse to grapple with the exponential growth through immigration of anti-Semitic groups. You’d think this would alarm them, as self-styled Jewish leaders.

    Enough wit da the drama queen histrionics already, OK? It’s been getting a bit old for some time now. And speaking of self-styled Jewish leaders, you seem to think that self-styled defenders of Judaism such as violent Zionists are legit when the opposite is true.

    Anyway, whining like that proves in one sentence that you have a narrow, moronic, stunted opinion. Don’t you characters and your ilk understand that using “anti-Semitic” as code for “anti-Jew” is brain dead?

    Some of the worst anti-Semites are mostly white Zionists with tenuous, if not laughable, claims on “Semiticity” who not only sadistically and gratuitously suppress and oppress true Semites such as Arabs, but who, as militant atheists, make adherents of the Jewish faith in general look bad.

    Judaism is disgraced by Israel’s policies of internal colonialism and contempt for the treatment of fellow humans.

    … Israel has made itself an international pariah, a position on which Israelis seem to thrive. Besotted with hate and malaise, the Israeli citizen uses militarism as the national vehicle of cohesion: celebrate exploits of killing as a means of drawing together.

    Needless to say, this is a corruption of Judaism, which for centuries has expressed universal values of peace and mutual respect. The Great Paradox: The Jewish State is anti-Jewish, defaming and caricaturing a beloved faith founded on human rights and aid and succor to all deprived, displaced, and underprivileged. It is tragic that world Jewry increasingly supports current Israeli policies, which only encourages what we find today in Israel: Netanyahu and Herzog alike lack the moral courage to bring Israel into line with international law and morality.

    -Norman Pollack, Israel vs Judaism

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/03/23/israel-vs-judaism/

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    Jewish leadership supporting immigration policies that increase the likelihood of violence against the Jewish people. The ruthless conquest and settlement of Palestine in such a violent manner as to make Israel into an international pariah in the eyes of nearly all nations except the U.S. All the antisemitic propaganda and all the charges of antisemitism that are so absolutely broad and intolerant as to make almost any action not approved of by Jewish leadership antisemitic, or any individual not approved of guilty of antisemitism. Thousands of years of repeated failure to assimilate with the cultures of the countries in which they have immigrated to, or any of the rest of the world for that matter. It's as if the Jewish leadership has decided to paint a target on the backs of the Jewish people, while at the same time engaging in strategies to enrage other people to fire away at them. Your Zionist conspiracy theory provokes some interesting questions.
  33. I have a close friend who is ethnic Chinese raised in Taiwan. He is very high IQ – as in 140 or so. He says that Jews are the most stupid high IQ people in the world. That is so, he says, because Jews by and large get steered into things that will come back to bite off their faces, quite literally at times.

    He says this happens 2 ways. One is that a number of loud Jews get a burr under their saddles to harm some other group they feel has wronged them and get so entangled in revenge against that group that they fail to see actual threats. Those Jews tend to be very nasty personalities who scare others into silent acceptance.

    Another is that most Jews believe deep down that they are the chosen race. Even atheist Jews, he is amazed to note, are certain they are a chosen race that will be protected eventually by a god or the universe, no matter what they do that is wrong or dangerous. Many in that group dare God or the universe to save them from the messes they make.

    The Islam issue is both. You have Jews who so hate the white Christian world that they would fail to see the threat to them of allying with aliens from another galaxy to exterminate whatever is left of what once was Christendom. You also have Jews who know the great risks to Jews from this Islam immigrant promotion but deep down feel secure because God or the universe will save them even if whitey is wiped out, along with the hated Catholic and Orthodox churches.

    That is the real Jewish Problem. Most Jews at least accept one of those ways of Jewish seeing the world and operating in it. Jews blind themselves to reality and so guarantee horrors for themselves.

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    "...Jews by and large get steered into things that will come back to bite off their faces, quite literally at times.

    He says this happens 2 ways. One is that a number of loud Jews get a burr under their saddles to harm some other group they feel has wronged them and get so entangled in revenge against that group that they fail to see actual threats. Those Jews tend to be very nasty personalities who scare others into silent acceptance.

    Another is that most Jews believe deep down that they are the chosen race..."

    This is a very penetrating observation. The question is why do their minds work this way? There's one idea that describes the Jews perfectly. It describes their parasitism, their, lying, their chameleon like behavior, their sense of superiority and belief that they are different from everyone else. There's a simple explanation for why the Jews are hated so much that also explains their behavior and success. The Jews are a tribe of psychopaths. No all, maybe not even the majority, but a large number. All of the Jews ancient writings are nothing more than a manual for psychopaths to live by. The Talmud is nothing but one psychopathic thought after another. The Talmud “great enlightenment” basically says that everyone not Jewish is there to serve Jews. All their property is really the Jews. No one is really human unless they're Jews and their lives don’t matter. A psychopathic religion for a psychopathic people.

    They've been thrown out of every single country that they've been to in any numbers. Psychopaths having no empathy themselves can only go by the feedback they get from the people they are exploiting. So they push and push to see what they can get away with. The normal people build up resentment towards them. Thinking “surely they will reform or repent” like a normal person who does wrong. Of course the Jews do not. They don’t have the mental process for reform. Then in a huge mass outpouring of hate for the Jews, fed up with the refusal to reform their behavior, they attack and/or deport them. In this stage of the cycle the Big/Rich Jews escape and the little Jews are attacked.

    Start over.

    Even if it's wrong if you assume the Jews are a tribe of psychopaths you will never be surprised and Jew's behavior will make sense.

    In order to predict Jews behavior read the great book on Psychopaths by Hervey Cleckley, "The Mask of Sanity". Here's a chapter you should read. It's about the psychopath Stanley. Who does all kinds of manic bullshit and spends all his time feeding people the most outrageous lies. Look at the astounding array of things he's able to get away with. Maybe it will remind you of a certain tribe. New meme. "They're pulling a Stanley". The whole book is on the web and worth reading.

    http://www.energyenhancement.org/Psychopath/psychopath-Hervey-Cleckley-the-mask-of-sanity-SECTION-TWO-THE-MATERIAL-Part-1-The-disorder-in-full-clinical-manifestations-19-Stanley.html

    I've noticed that several others have come to the same conclusion. It's very simple to do so because the facts fit the case so well. If it were widely known that the Jews were a tribe of psychopaths their ability to do damage to our society would be be vastly curtailed. When they started spouting nonsense, as they frequently do, no would would pay a minutes attention to them.

    I believe their mental "map" is a consequence of civilization. They are a parasitical innovation to fill a niche in civilizations. I think part of the rise of civilization is empathy. If there were little empathy then it would be hell to live in a huge city. Any time someone had something you wanted you would just take it. Civilization wouldn't last. I think it's likely that the Neanderthals had little empathy for other humans and due to that they could never build large groups with shared goals. It seems that Blacks are the same way as everywhere they go the destroy civilization.
  34. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    The proper metaphor for the relationship between Judaism and Christianity is that of proud parent and progeny.

    This is not correct. Christians of all denominations persecuted the Jews for centuries, and the Jews paid back despising the Christians, in works like the Toledot Yeshu of the Middle Ages.
    In a work considered to be the piece capital of modern American literature, Michael Gold’s “Jews without Money,” there is a scene in which poor Jews mock a sacristan washing a cucifix at the door of a Lutheran church.

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    Actually, your timetable starts nowhere near the beginning. Led by Pharisees, Jews persecuted a number of of prominent Christians to death. The 'despising' began with Jews making certain Jesus would die, in hope that his message would die with him.
  35. @Talha
    I love Ms. Mercer's articles on Islam! They're so full...of stuff!!!

    It’s not right-wing populism that endangers Jewish survival in Europe and Canada
     
    Umm, have you read some of the comments at UNZ. "Push them into the sea!" apparently is quite popular on this side of the pond - I had no clue.

    it’s the influx of Muslims
     
    OK - please send massive memos to your folks to stop the influx now - they are in the thick of advocating it (and also setting about the causes of it by advocating destabilizing Muslim countries). Please figure out what the hell you want!

    These Muslims bring with them the Islam that The Prophet practiced.
     
    Ahhh - one can certainly dream!

    This Islam does not tolerate Jews.
     
    Which is why practically ever place Islam spread to and kicked out the prevailing Byzantine or Persian or Visigoth, etc. order, your folks thought it was a blessing from God that He raised up the 'Kingdom of Ismael':
    "The angel Metatron at once answered him. 'Fear not, O son of man! The Holy One, blessed be He, brings the kingdom of Ishmael only to save you from this wicked one (Rome) He will send a prophet to them and conquer the Land [of Israel]...And the second king who arises from Ishmael will love [the people of] Israel and conquer all the kingdoms."
    Historical Dictionary of Judaism

    I mean, have you even read your own history?

    Muslims now greatly outnumber Jews in these formerly safe spaces for Judaism.
     
    Doh - I guess we'll have to deal with more illegal settlements now that y'all need to go to Israel for your safe spaces, eh?

    are almost exclusively the handiwork of an ancient hatred
     
    Or extremist mob mentality - take your pick.

    Second only to Latinos, the relatively new, roughly 40-year-old Muslim community is the most anti-Semitic community
     
    Damn it - we can't be first in anything!

    It is virtually impossible to be reared in classical Islam and not be educated to hate Jews
     
    Really - I know plenty of traditionally trained Muslim scholars that don't hate Jews - how did that happen?

    many of the Suras concerning Jews are monstrously hateful, murderous, terrifying
     
    If you understood the context - you'd understand why this is so. I would hope they would be terrified when God declares war on those that plotted to help the enemies of His Prophet (pbuh) - you expect Him to deliver them ice cream from the heavens?
    "It is He who expelled from their habitations the unbelievers among the People of the Book at the first gathering. You did not think that they would go forth, and they thought that their fortresses would defend them against God; but God came upon them from whence they had not reckoned, and He cast terror into their hearts as they destroyed their houses with their own hands, and the hands of the believers; therefore take heed, you who have eyes!" (59:2)

    It astonishes me that people think God should conduct Himself like a chump - where does this mentality come from? I mean, does He own the universe or is it all about your feelings and safe-spaces. Now who's talking SJW?

    according to Islamic teaching, were Muslims, not Jews
     
    Uh no - they were ethnically Jews, but Muslims. Being a Jew can be an ethnic identity or a religious one. All prophets are Muslim for us - their ethnicity is irrelevant.

    condemned anti-Semitism
     
    This is a major problem because many Jewish groups insist that criticism of Israel is anti-semitic - therefore they want to back us up into a corner. Sorry, we won't play that game. We can oppose Israel without hating on Jews. If you can't see that - it's your problem, not ours.

    Islam and Latin America
     
    O crap! The nightmare convergence!

    "MIAMI — Latinos are one of the fastest growing groups in the Muslim religion."
    http://www.voanews.com/a/latinas-converting-to-islam-for-identity-structure/2488304.html

    they heap insults on a president who belongs to one of the most politically submissive, bullied groups: white men
     
    Yeah - that's not smart.

    The proper metaphor for the relationship between Judaism and Christianity is that of proud parent and progeny.
     
    OMG! You have got to be *****ing me - can you seriously write that with a straight face? Man are you going to get seriously nailed by a boatload of UNZ comments for that one! OK, given that we trace ourselves back to Abraham (pbuh) - is our metaphor one of a proud grandparent and grandkids! Can I call you 'Gramps'??!!

    Peace.

    Brilliant. I love your comments. Thanks so much.

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  36. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @MEexpert
    I have come across many ignorant people on the topic of Islam but this author takes the cake. She has no idea what she is talking about. Jews are the cry babies of the human race. They begged God to give them land. He did but they wanted more or they complained that it was not what they wanted. They wanted food from heaven. When they got that, they wanted more. They found one reason or other to cry. Reading the Torah, you would think that they were the most persecuted people even when they had the power. They always cried for more. They own more than half the wealth in the world but they want more. They want compensation for holocaust. They fit the image of a stereotypical Jew sucking the last drop of blood.

    They had Christ killed but they can’t be accused of that because that would be anti-Semitic. They even made the pope apologize for it. They commit atrocities against Palestinians but you can’t talk about it because that would be anti-Semitic. They own Americans so how dare these American talk about Jews. That would be anti-Semitic. I have read the first amendment several times but I cannot find the exception clause, i.e. one has freedom of speech as long as the speech is not against the jews. They have even hijacked the term semite so now it is used exclusively for the Jews. Chuck Schumer is as much a Semite as Jesse Jackson is. Semite refers to the residents of a geographical area not people of a certain religion.

    The same sorts say nothing publicly about the waves of Muslims washing up on Europe’s shores. One wonders if they know this intake doesn’t represent a new Islamic Golden Age.
     
    They didn’t say anything publicly when the waves of Jews washed up to the American shores from Europe.

    These Muslims bring with them the Islam that The Prophet practiced. This Islam does not tolerate Jews.
     
    This comment alone tells me that the author has no idea about what Islam is. She must have learned it from the two of the most famous American “Muslims,” Daniel Pipe and Pamella Geller. The way these two depicts Islam and the prophet, I am surprised there is any Jew left in the world. With the Muslims ruling Middle East and the Europe all the Jews would have been killed by the Jew-hating Muslims. Whatever remained would have been killed by the Christians. But the history tells us that not only Jews were not exterminated but actually thrived under the Muslim rule. They owned businesses even during the time of the prophet.

    Second only to Latinos, the relatively new, roughly 40-year-old Muslim community is the most anti-Semitic community in the U.S. Explained Stephen Steinlight
     
    Notwithstanding the fact that the majority of this Muslim community is itself Semite.

    The proper metaphor for the relationship between Judaism and Christianity is that of proud parent and progeny.
     
    Sorry, the proper metaphor should be the Arrogant Masters and the meek slaves.

    “It is virtually impossible to be reared in classical Islam and not be educated to hate Jews—based on a literalist reading of the Koran, where many of the Suras concerning Jews are monstrously hateful, murderous, terrifying, as well as the literature of the Sunnah.
     
    It is not easy to understand Qur'an by literalist read. People whose tongue is Arabic have spent their life time studying and trying to understand Qur'an. There is nothing that says that a Muslim has to hate Jews. Actually, it says that the Jews and the Christians are the "People of the book." What the Jews don't like about Qur'an is that God describes in detail how the Jews treated the various prophets he sent.

    Even during the Prophet's life time the Jews were treacherous. They would make treaties with the Muslims and at the last minute break them. God condemns this behavior for what it was.

    all the prophets and great figures of the Hebrew Bible, according to Islamic teaching, were Muslims, not Jews
     
    The term Jew did not come into picture until the second millennium so the Prophets could not have been Jews. On the other hand, Muslim means the one who submits to the will of God. All prophets submitted to the will of God and hence they were all Muslims.

    There is an anecdote in Qur'an about the Jews. The Jews of Medinah used to taunt Muslims that they were God's chosen people and that he loves them and they love him. God told the Prophet to tell the Jews that if they loved God so much they should wish for death so that they could meet God. Sadly, there were no takers.

    This comment alone tells me that the author has no idea about what Islam is. She must have learned it from the two of the most famous American “Muslims,” Daniel Pipe and Pamella Geller. The way these two depicts Islam and the prophet, I am surprised there is any Jew left in the world. With the Muslims ruling Middle East and the Europe all the Jews would have been killed by the Jew-hating Muslims.

    LOL, I surely like your level of “expertise”. It is about the same as that of Edward Said.

    It is not easy to understand Qur’an by literalist read.

    And so is any other scripture. Yet, people managed to do this just fine. And then there are Hadith, Tafsir etc. And where did I hear this story about Islam before? ;-)

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    Hey Smoothie,

    Yet, people managed to do this just fine.
     
    No they did not - have you never heard of the Thirty Year's War? The only reason anybody can interpret anything now in Christianity is because it is a hobby religion:
    "There were 217 denominations listed in the 2006 Yearbook of American and Canadian Churches. But there may well be other groups that function as a denomination but do not regard themselves as such."
    http://hirr.hartsem.edu/research/fastfacts/fast_facts.html#denom

    Once religion is no longer important, then who cares? It doesn't mean anything. And when it doesn't, then it can provide no meaning any more.

    When Christians took their religion seriously, when it was the framework by which their life was guided and it was the most prominent core facet of their being, they had the similar problems of extremism that we do - actually worse. The Thirty Year's War, makes our current Sunni-Shiah conflict look like a picnic.

    Peace.
  37. @anonymous
    Yours are among the most valuable comments on this website. Thank you for taking the time to question and challenge assertions of others, which helps us all to think things through for ourselves.

    I hope that Ms. Mercer will find the time to address your points.

    It is unlikely, in the extreme, that the author will respond to the ravings of an idiot.

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    Predictably, at 132 comments and counting, she has yet to respond to anyone.
  38. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Ilana, the main danger for the Jews in US are not Muslims but eventual realization (it is ongoing as I type it) by the average American Joe of the fact that, thanks to neocons, who are representatives, sometimes fanatical ones, of the interests of the State Of Israel, the United States paid dearly in blood and treasure in what can only be described as a geopolitical catastrophe of the 21st century–Iraq. Needless to say that Iraq’s debacle has a very Jewish parents. Having said all that and not being a Holocaust “denier” (I know the tragedy did happen, I just have some issues with counting), but it is also not a secret that majority of American Jews (how large of a majority is another matter) are not exactly Jews of Israel–for many American Jews Holocaust is just business, it is easy to sell it in US. European Jewry, of course, is another matter altogether–there were reports of FN offering protection to Jewish schools and Synagogues in France from Muslims.

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  39. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Anon
    You seem like someone with an ax to grind

    I actually don’t mind wally ‘s repetitive comments. It’s so common for the holocaust to be passed off as historical fact, and Wally’ s comment is a justified response to the article’s author doing just that.

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    It's annoying. I imagine him searching each article at Unz for a handful of key words (Holocaust, Nazi, etc.), after which part he goes to a doc and C&Ps a handful of spam.
  40. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Anonymous
    I actually don't mind wally 's repetitive comments. It's so common for the holocaust to be passed off as historical fact, and Wally' s comment is a justified response to the article's author doing just that.

    It’s annoying. I imagine him searching each article at Unz for a handful of key words (Holocaust, Nazi, etc.), after which part he goes to a doc and C&Ps a handful of spam.

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    It’s annoying.
     
    You wanna know what's also annoying?

    Here's an introductory list.:

    Constant kvetching about victimhood.

    Whining about "anti-Semitism."

    Relentless hysteria regarding "existential threats."

    Blaming Muslims for whatever ails the special tribe.

    The mentality that somehow the world owes the self-proclaimed chosen everything from material wealth to endless adoration.

    I'd go on,but that would be annoying too.
    , @Wally
    It's annoying for Anon because he doesn't stand a chance when debating informed Revisionists.

    "There's no business like $hoah business."

    see the impossible 'holocaust' scam debunked here:
    http://codoh.com
    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com

    Yet another Jew staged / fake antisemitic crime:
    https://newtownbee.com/first-degree-arson-arrest-police-allege-package-store-owner-faked-crime/
    &
    https://newtownbee.com/police-chief-investigators-tirelessley-working-first-ever-robbery-hate-crime/
  41. Dec 5, 2016 Born to Hate Jews

    How do devout Muslims born in the West feel about Jews? How do they feel about Western values in general? Kasim Hafeez, who was raised a devout Muslim in England, explains.

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    Right, good ole' Dennis Prager and PragerU, relying on another shylock for info are we....
    , @Talha
    Hey Agent76,

    I looked up Kasim Hafeez, and came across this article:
    http://www.timesofisrael.com/from-rage-in-the-mosque-to-tears-at-the-wailing-wall/

    And it has this quote from him which just sounds very, very suspicious:
    “I don’t feel my story is that unusual. It’s just my life,” he says as he caresses a pendant with the Star of David that he bought at the end of his 2007 trip. “I hold this every time I miss Israel, which is every day. I know it sounds strange, but when I’m here I feel as though I have come home.”

    I mean something is just so abjectly groveling in that statement - it doesn't sound normal. I don't know if you can trust him, the Israelis basically pay his wages:
    http://thelawfareproject.org/fellows-2/

    I can tell you this; I personally know 8 qualified and certified muftis - not 'know of', I actually know them on a personal basis. I have been taught by 3 of them on various medieval texts on Islamic jurisprudence and belief.

    In exactly none of the cases did they ever teach hatred for Jews, ever - I don't even recall a single line coming from their mouths that could be construed as hatred against Jews. They would speak up about Israeli oppression, but they never preached hatred. And these men are some of the most devout individuals I know. I have no clue what kind of 'devout' Muslims Mr. Hafeez hung out with. Their description strikes me as run of the mill Salafi/Wahhabi extremists.

    Peace.
    , @MEexpert
    I saw the video and laughed. I have seen this kind of Israeli propaganda before. As a Muslim and especially the one who was educated in those fundamentalist schools and being a Pakistani he would never have gotten visa to go to Israel. I have known Americans who have been denied visas for being critical of Israel. I have also known a Pakistani who, once he praised Israel, was given a grand tour of Israel. This guys was a self proclaimed Jew hater. He would not get the visa to go to Israel in million years.

    True Jihad demanded violence.
     
    This is total nonsense. He does not even know the true concept of Islamic Jihad. According to Qur'an, the biggest jihad is against oneself. Listening to his narrative, it was obvious that he went to a Wahhabi/Salafi school, if he ever did go to one. The entire narrative is quite scripted and the reference to book by Alan Dershowitz' was the final proof. My score on a scale 1 to 10 is -10.
  42. @SamJ
    @Mao Cheng Ji

    Don't expect shame from far too much Euro-American Jewish political writing. Arrogance, duplicity, and a lack of intellectual integrity is what characterizes far too many of them. In this mentality there is a form of pathological egocentrism and "moral idiocy" that in turn affects the entire culture. The exceptions prove the rule.

    This woman is ignorant of basic history. Jews, Christians, and Muslims lived cheek by jowl for centuries; the Jewish community achieved an apogee of its culture in Muslim Spain. In any case, the Koran commands respect for the "People of the Book" (Ahl al-Kitab), and reveres all the Jewish prophets without exception.

    Israel is the threat to Jewish survival. As the poster said, Jews Muslims and most important to me Christians lived in peace in Palestine. But since the ‘establishment of the Zionist State’ Christians had almost disappeared from the Holy Land, and of course there has been ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians from ‘greater’ Israel. This will only foster hate for the ‘chosen ones’ for genenrations to come.
    One State Solution Now, one person one vote. This foolish Zionist project must end.

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  43. Ms. Ilana Jewberg,
    If Muslims hate you, they arent the only ones and your pathetic attempt at aligning yourself with white people through your supposed support for Trump looks pathetic and desperate. Your people are shapeshifting frontrunners and at the root of most evils in the modern world.

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    Gee, Mike, tell us all how you really feel.
    , @Jim Christian
    Actually, in the American world, Blaxx are the biggest hindrance to progress, peace and tranquility..
  44. @Agent76
    Dec 5, 2016 Born to Hate Jews

    How do devout Muslims born in the West feel about Jews? How do they feel about Western values in general? Kasim Hafeez, who was raised a devout Muslim in England, explains.

    https://youtu.be/xCQEmeGfFmY

    Right, good ole’ Dennis Prager and PragerU, relying on another shylock for info are we….

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  45. THERE’S NO SUCH THING AS JUDEO-CHRISTIAN VALUES
    “Let’s be clear: Far from “sharing” one tradition, Orthodox Jews are prohibited from marrying Christians, setting foot inside a Christian church—and we can’t even drink from an open bottle of kosher wine that has been used by a Christian. We reject the Christian idea of salvation, we abhor Christian divine teachings on every subject, and we are repulsed and outraged by incessant attempts by Christian missionaries to bring us into their fold.”
    “Incidentally, we have more in common with Muslims than we do with Christians; Jewish law permits Jews to enter a mosque… but not a church.”
    “To insist that we have some kind of bond with religious Christians because of similar core values, is to propagate a terrible lie. Christians who base their views on what they call the Old Testament, don’t view Mosaic law as an abiding legal text. The Church has abolished Torah law as part of its attempt to abolish the very idea of Jewish nationhood.”
    “Jews and Christians differ on every single fundamental principle—even on the meaning of core Scriptural texts. More crucially, Christians rely on the Old Testament for legal delineation; whereas Jews rely solely upon our rabbinic tradition. We never, ever turn to our Bible for legal guidance, only to our rabbinic literature. To suggest that our Sages had anything at all in common with the likes of Jerry Falwell, Jimmy Carter or Pat Robertson is a slap in the face of 2500 years of scholarship.”

    http://www.jewishpress.com/blogs/yoris-news-clips/theres-no-such-thing-as-judeo-christian-values/2013/12/26/

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  46. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Mike Johnson
    Ms. Ilana Jewberg,
    If Muslims hate you, they arent the only ones and your pathetic attempt at aligning yourself with white people through your supposed support for Trump looks pathetic and desperate. Your people are shapeshifting frontrunners and at the root of most evils in the modern world.

    Gee, Mike, tell us all how you really feel.

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  47. “For Maimonides, the 12th-century rabbinic scholar and one of the most important figures in the history of Judaism, there was no possibility of a “Judeo-Christian tradition.” Christianity, in his understanding may have had a positive function in world history insofar as it brought monotheism to the pagan world, but for Jews Christian ritual was a form of idolatry. “The Christian peoples, in all of their varied sects, are worshipping idols and their holidays are forbidden to us,” he wrote, while Islam, though a “mistaken” religion in his view, is monotheistic, and thus cannot be construed as idolatrous.”

    Almost 900 years later Rabbi Abraham Isaac Kook, the early 20th-century thinker respected by most Orthodox Jews and revered by Religious Zionists, had similar sentiments. Like Maimonides, Kook saw Christianity as akin to idolatry, writing that “with Christianity and its concepts one should share nothing, not even what seems good or beneficial… It is only by distancing oneself from Christian concepts, and by implementing the absolute refusal to gain any benefit from that world of ideas, that our own intellects and sense of self will become purer and stronger.”

    http://religiondispatches.org/what-do-we-mean-by-judeo-christian/

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    • Replies: @FLgeezer
    >' It is only by distancing oneself from Christian concepts, and by implementing the absolute refusal to gain any benefit from that world of ideas, that our own intellects and sense of self will become purer and stronger.' - quoth Rabbi Kook.

    What an absolutely perfect surname. Would his middle name be Arrogant?
  48. “Judeo Christian” is an Oxymoron
     
    Anyone with a genuine Christian faith would recognize that Judaism defined by Cabala and Talmud, is not only the antithesis of Christianity, but also its mortal enemy.

    Whence comes the imaginary camaraderie between Christianity and Judaism? And why are Christians so ignorant – or timid?

    To what degree are Jewish interests antithetical to Christian conservatives?

    It is obvious that American Jews have long been aligned with the Democratic Party. In many ways, the “Jewish community” broadly construed opposes many things that Christian conservatives champion.

    “[T]raditonally[,] …Jewish voters …have favored Democrats by 2-to-1 margins.”[1]

    This leftward leaning goes back at least to the era of Franklin Roosevelt. “[F]unctioning under the …aegis of the Democratic party, American Jews fortied their reputation as the most dependably progressive ethnic community in the United States. In 1940, no fewer than 90 percent of their votes went to Roosevelt.”[2]

    [MORE]

    Despite the rightward orientation of a handful of Jewish king-makers (chiefly 

    Sheldon Adelson,left, but also smaller fry such as Norman Braman, Henry Kravis, Richard Roberts and Mel Sembler, two of whom – by the way, Adelson and Roberts – are said to favor Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker for the [as of this writing] upcoming the 2016 election), “as a group, Jews still endorse the Democratic Party at a rate of around 20 percentage points above most other Americans.”[3]

    “Indeed, the Washington Post once estimated that Democratic presidential candidates ‘depend on Jewish supporters to supply as much as 60 percent of the money raised from private sources. Other estimates are lower, but contributions from Jewish Americans form a substantial share – between 20 and 50 percent – of the contributions made to the Democratic party and its presidential candidates.”[4]

    “Jews provided at least half the money donated to the DNC [Democratic National Committee] in the 1998 and 2000 election cycles.”[5]

    Additionally, “as a matter of comparison they [Jews] are generally found to be the most liberal white ethnoreligious group in the United States.”[6]

    To illustrate: At least one benchmark indicates that religious Jews are more likely to be atheists than people of other faiths. This is so prevalent that one journalist writes: “Atheism is entrenched in American Judaism. In researching their book American Grace, authors Robert Putnam and David Campbell found that half of all American Jews doubt God’s existence. In other groups, that number is between 10 and 15 percent.”[7]

    Within “rightwing Christian” circles, atheism is lamented. But there is a deafening silence from these supposedly concerned “Conservatives” when it comes to atheism infused American Judaism. As one synagogue-attendee, Maxim Schrogin, put it: “Atheism and Judaism are not contradictory, so to have an atheist in a Jewish congregation isn’t an issue or a challenge or a problem.”[8]

    There is a conspicuous case-study. Many Christians bemoan the removal of prayer from public schools. What many people do not know, however, is how this removal came about. It was the result of the landmark Engel v. Vitale, 370 U.S. 421 (1962) case, in which the U.S. Supreme Court legislated from the bench, decreeing it “unconstitutional” for public schools to adopt or encourage the recitation of “official” prayers in public schools.

    The genesis of the case was this: “In the fall of 1958, Steven Engel visited his son’s elementary school classroom in Hyde Park, New York. Engel, a Jew, was upset to see his son’s hands clasped and his head bent in prayer. He told his son that this was ‘not the way we say prayers.’”[9]

    As George Lincoln Rockwell observed in the late 1960s: “If Israel is a Jewish country and has the right to be Jewish, if Ghana is a black country and has the right to be black, why don’t we have the right to keep a white country white and Christian? Why, how long do you think you people would last if you went over there to Israel and started campaigning in the Jewish schools in Israel against singing Jewish songs? And yet they’re over here campaigning against us singing Christmas carols in ours. …You can’t sing Christmas carols in schools any more. They won’t tolerate it, but we must.”[10]…

    In another recent news item, we read about the activist goings on of one Michael “Mikey” Weinstein. “…A Pentagon ban on proselytizing has left some conservative activists fearful that Christian soldiers — and even military chaplains — could face court martial for sharing their faith.

    “The Defense Department said this week that proselytizing — trying to get someone to change faiths — is banned. Its statement does not define proselytizing or address the role of military chaplains. It also does not rule out court martial for those whose share their faith too aggressively….[13, 14]

    Additional evidence of Jewish left-leaning can be detected from the fact that the overwhelming majority of Jews – “religious” or “secular” – support abortion[15] and “same sex marriage”,[16] both of which are opposed by many “religious Conservatives.”

    It is simply a fact that, historically, Jews have been at the forefront of liberalizing and activist politics.

    SOCIALISM  

     Another important facet of the larger discussion contrasting “Conservative” and “Jewish interests” must therefore be to note the historical point that Jews have long advanced socialism, communism and other radical, leftist ideologies.[17],[18]

    From Moses Hess, Karl Marx and Ferdinand Lassalle to Leon Trotsky (born Bronstein) and Vladimir Lenin (scion of the Jewish Blank family), Communist-Bolshevism was a decidedly Jewish – and anti-Christian/anti-Russian peasant – movement.[19]

    Combined with the fact, established centuries ago by intrepid researchers like Gustaf Dalman, Johann Eisenmenger, Alexander McCaul, Bernhard Pick and Johann Wagenseil and admitted by honest scholars such as Theodor Keim and Princeton University’s Peter Schaefer, that the Jewish Talmud holds that Jesus Christ was a blasphemer who was not only rightly accused and justly executed, but also – and outrageously – asserts such filthy scurrilities as that the Blessed Virgin Mary was a whore[20] and that Jesus was justly executed for practicing magic and leading Israel astray[21] and is now being punished in hell by being suspended in boiling human excrement;[22] it’s fairly compelling, as Michael Hoffman has argued at length, that the label “Judeo-Christian” is an oxymoron.

    This is not a novel idea. Saint Paul indicated: “the Jews …killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets and also drove us out. They displease God and are hostile to everyone…”.[23]

    Nevertheless, Christians continue to labor under the mistaken belief that Jews have some sort of robust kinship with Christians. The counterpoint can scarcely be better made than it was by Saint John the Evangelist, who wrote in 1 John 2:22-23: “Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist – denying the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.”

    According to John, writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, any person who denies Jesus also has neither the Son nor the Father. Therefore, on Biblical authority, it seems that whatever God the Jews proclaim, it simply cannot be the Father of Jesus – or else the New Testament is gravely mistaken.

    As to the idea that (supposed) Jewish pedigree is salvific [leading to salvation] in and of itself, Jesus himself dismissed this when He said: “And do not think you can say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham.” (Matthew 3:9).

    In fact, more strongly, Jesus told the Pharisees - the forerunners of the rabbis: “You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.”[24]

    As Saint Augustine of Hippo once reportedly said: “Judaism, since Christ, is a corruption; indeed Judas is the image of the Jewish people; their understanding of the Scriptures is carnal; they bear the guilt for the death of the Saviour, for through their fathers they killed the Christ.”[25]

    https://www.henrymakow.com/2015/09/Christians-so-naive.html#sthash.fR87aPFG.dpuf

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    Agreed. 'Judeo Christian' a term probably coined by some Jew professor at CCNY back in the 1930's or 40's. An Oxy'moron' indeed!
    , @frankie p
    Thanks for the detailed rebuttal of the entire idea of "Judeo-Christian values", a term and idea that has long bothered me because of its inherent dissidence. I have copied your comments for future reference and in order to clarify the issue to those still floating around in ignorance.

    Frankie P
  49. anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Talha
    I love Ms. Mercer's articles on Islam! They're so full...of stuff!!!

    It’s not right-wing populism that endangers Jewish survival in Europe and Canada
     
    Umm, have you read some of the comments at UNZ. "Push them into the sea!" apparently is quite popular on this side of the pond - I had no clue.

    it’s the influx of Muslims
     
    OK - please send massive memos to your folks to stop the influx now - they are in the thick of advocating it (and also setting about the causes of it by advocating destabilizing Muslim countries). Please figure out what the hell you want!

    These Muslims bring with them the Islam that The Prophet practiced.
     
    Ahhh - one can certainly dream!

    This Islam does not tolerate Jews.
     
    Which is why practically ever place Islam spread to and kicked out the prevailing Byzantine or Persian or Visigoth, etc. order, your folks thought it was a blessing from God that He raised up the 'Kingdom of Ismael':
    "The angel Metatron at once answered him. 'Fear not, O son of man! The Holy One, blessed be He, brings the kingdom of Ishmael only to save you from this wicked one (Rome) He will send a prophet to them and conquer the Land [of Israel]...And the second king who arises from Ishmael will love [the people of] Israel and conquer all the kingdoms."
    Historical Dictionary of Judaism

    I mean, have you even read your own history?

    Muslims now greatly outnumber Jews in these formerly safe spaces for Judaism.
     
    Doh - I guess we'll have to deal with more illegal settlements now that y'all need to go to Israel for your safe spaces, eh?

    are almost exclusively the handiwork of an ancient hatred
     
    Or extremist mob mentality - take your pick.

    Second only to Latinos, the relatively new, roughly 40-year-old Muslim community is the most anti-Semitic community
     
    Damn it - we can't be first in anything!

    It is virtually impossible to be reared in classical Islam and not be educated to hate Jews
     
    Really - I know plenty of traditionally trained Muslim scholars that don't hate Jews - how did that happen?

    many of the Suras concerning Jews are monstrously hateful, murderous, terrifying
     
    If you understood the context - you'd understand why this is so. I would hope they would be terrified when God declares war on those that plotted to help the enemies of His Prophet (pbuh) - you expect Him to deliver them ice cream from the heavens?
    "It is He who expelled from their habitations the unbelievers among the People of the Book at the first gathering. You did not think that they would go forth, and they thought that their fortresses would defend them against God; but God came upon them from whence they had not reckoned, and He cast terror into their hearts as they destroyed their houses with their own hands, and the hands of the believers; therefore take heed, you who have eyes!" (59:2)

    It astonishes me that people think God should conduct Himself like a chump - where does this mentality come from? I mean, does He own the universe or is it all about your feelings and safe-spaces. Now who's talking SJW?

    according to Islamic teaching, were Muslims, not Jews
     
    Uh no - they were ethnically Jews, but Muslims. Being a Jew can be an ethnic identity or a religious one. All prophets are Muslim for us - their ethnicity is irrelevant.

    condemned anti-Semitism
     
    This is a major problem because many Jewish groups insist that criticism of Israel is anti-semitic - therefore they want to back us up into a corner. Sorry, we won't play that game. We can oppose Israel without hating on Jews. If you can't see that - it's your problem, not ours.

    Islam and Latin America
     
    O crap! The nightmare convergence!

    "MIAMI — Latinos are one of the fastest growing groups in the Muslim religion."
    http://www.voanews.com/a/latinas-converting-to-islam-for-identity-structure/2488304.html

    they heap insults on a president who belongs to one of the most politically submissive, bullied groups: white men
     
    Yeah - that's not smart.

    The proper metaphor for the relationship between Judaism and Christianity is that of proud parent and progeny.
     
    OMG! You have got to be *****ing me - can you seriously write that with a straight face? Man are you going to get seriously nailed by a boatload of UNZ comments for that one! OK, given that we trace ourselves back to Abraham (pbuh) - is our metaphor one of a proud grandparent and grandkids! Can I call you 'Gramps'??!!

    Peace.

    Talha,
    Please excuse my ignorance about Islam. Do Muslims believe in the Ten Commandmants? Do Islamic teachings provide any modification of those Commandmants?
    Peace,
    anonymous

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    Hello sir,

    No problem - everyone has their own niches of knowledge - I am most ignorant about a great many things that you likely could school me in.

    As far as commandments, in short, yes - we believe in what was revealed to the Arch-Prophet Moses (pbuh):
    "And when the anger subsided in Moses, he took up the tablets; and in their inscription was guidance and mercy for those who are fearful of their Lord." (7:154)

    A summary in the Qur'an is found in these verses:
    "Say: 'Come and I will recite what your Lord has forbidden for you, that you not associate anything with Him, and be good to parents. Do not kill your children out of poverty, for We will provide for you and them. Do not approach lewdness, whether it is public or private. Do not kill the soul which God has made sacred except by right of justice. This He has instructed you that you may reason. Do not approach the property of the orphans, except in a way that is best, until he reaches maturity. Give full measure and weight in justice. We [God] do not charge any soul except within its capability. When you testify, be just even if it concerns a relative, and fulfill the covenant of God. This He has instructed you that you may remember. And this is My straight path, so follow it and do not follow other ways, lest you be separated from His way. This He has instructed you that you will be righteous.'" (6:151-153)

    Peace.
    , @attilathehen
    Islam is a Christian heresy. Talha cannot provide you with correct theological answers regarding Judaism or Islam. He is a heretic. Judaism ended with Christ. Under orthodox Christianity, any "Jews" claiming to be or practice Judaism are under a Deicidal curse.
  50. @Mike Johnson
    "For Maimonides, the 12th-century rabbinic scholar and one of the most important figures in the history of Judaism, there was no possibility of a “Judeo-Christian tradition.” Christianity, in his understanding may have had a positive function in world history insofar as it brought monotheism to the pagan world, but for Jews Christian ritual was a form of idolatry. “The Christian peoples, in all of their varied sects, are worshipping idols and their holidays are forbidden to us,” he wrote, while Islam, though a “mistaken” religion in his view, is monotheistic, and thus cannot be construed as idolatrous."

    Almost 900 years later Rabbi Abraham Isaac Kook, the early 20th-century thinker respected by most Orthodox Jews and revered by Religious Zionists, had similar sentiments. Like Maimonides, Kook saw Christianity as akin to idolatry, writing that “with Christianity and its concepts one should share nothing, not even what seems good or beneficial… It is only by distancing oneself from Christian concepts, and by implementing the absolute refusal to gain any benefit from that world of ideas, that our own intellects and sense of self will become purer and stronger.”

    http://religiondispatches.org/what-do-we-mean-by-judeo-christian/

    >’ It is only by distancing oneself from Christian concepts, and by implementing the absolute refusal to gain any benefit from that world of ideas, that our own intellects and sense of self will become purer and stronger.’ – quoth Rabbi Kook.

    What an absolutely perfect surname. Would his middle name be Arrogant?

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  51. @Mike Johnson
    Right, good ole' Dennis Prager and PragerU, relying on another shylock for info are we....

    Do you have anything that proves the contrary?

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    • Replies: @Chris Mallory
    What difference does it make what Muslims think about Jews or Jews think about Muslims? Neither group belongs in the West and both should be removed back to their Middle Eastern homelands forthwith.
  52. @Anon
    It's annoying. I imagine him searching each article at Unz for a handful of key words (Holocaust, Nazi, etc.), after which part he goes to a doc and C&Ps a handful of spam.

    It’s annoying.

    You wanna know what’s also annoying?

    Here’s an introductory list.:

    Constant kvetching about victimhood.

    Whining about “anti-Semitism.”

    Relentless hysteria regarding “existential threats.”

    Blaming Muslims for whatever ails the special tribe.

    The mentality that somehow the world owes the self-proclaimed chosen everything from material wealth to endless adoration.

    I’d go on,but that would be annoying too.

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    • Replies: @MEexpert

    The mentality that somehow the world owes the self-proclaimed chosen everything from material wealth to endless adoration.
     
    One question for the chosen ones. If you are the chosen ones, why has your God abandoned you? Think about it.
    , @Jim Christian

    I’d go on, but that would be annoying too.
     
    Yes, I agree with you Sheete One, yet somehow, I am annoyed. I kid because I care.
  53. I enjoyed your article very, very much… I am sorry to see so many Jewish Intellectuals critisizing your piece. I look forward to more of your articles….Keep it up! :)

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  54. @Mike Johnson
    "Judeo Christian" is an Oxymoron
     
    Anyone with a genuine Christian faith would recognize that Judaism defined by Cabala and Talmud, is not only the antithesis of Christianity, but also its mortal enemy.

    Whence comes the imaginary camaraderie between Christianity and Judaism? And why are Christians so ignorant - or timid?


    To what degree are Jewish interests antithetical to Christian conservatives?

    It is obvious that American Jews have long been aligned with the Democratic Party. In many ways, the "Jewish community" broadly construed opposes many things that Christian conservatives champion.

    "[T]raditonally[,] ...Jewish voters ...have favored Democrats by 2-to-1 margins."[1]

    This leftward leaning goes back at least to the era of Franklin Roosevelt. "[F]unctioning under the ...aegis of the Democratic party, American Jews fortied their reputation as the most dependably progressive ethnic community in the United States. In 1940, no fewer than 90 percent of their votes went to Roosevelt."[2]

    Despite the rightward orientation of a handful of Jewish king-makers (chiefly 

    Sheldon Adelson,left, but also smaller fry such as Norman Braman, Henry Kravis, Richard Roberts and Mel Sembler, two of whom - by the way, Adelson and Roberts - are said to favor Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker for the [as of this writing] upcoming the 2016 election), "as a group, Jews still endorse the Democratic Party at a rate of around 20 percentage points above most other Americans."[3]

    "Indeed, the Washington Post once estimated that Democratic presidential candidates 'depend on Jewish supporters to supply as much as 60 percent of the money raised from private sources. Other estimates are lower, but contributions from Jewish Americans form a substantial share - between 20 and 50 percent - of the contributions made to the Democratic party and its presidential candidates."[4]

    "Jews provided at least half the money donated to the DNC [Democratic National Committee] in the 1998 and 2000 election cycles."[5]

    Additionally, "as a matter of comparison they [Jews] are generally found to be the most liberal white ethnoreligious group in the United States."[6]

    To illustrate: At least one benchmark indicates that religious Jews are more likely to be atheists than people of other faiths. This is so prevalent that one journalist writes: "Atheism is entrenched in American Judaism. In researching their book American Grace, authors Robert Putnam and David Campbell found that half of all American Jews doubt God's existence. In other groups, that number is between 10 and 15 percent."[7]

    Within "rightwing Christian" circles, atheism is lamented. But there is a deafening silence from these supposedly concerned "Conservatives" when it comes to atheism infused American Judaism. As one synagogue-attendee, Maxim Schrogin, put it: "Atheism and Judaism are not contradictory, so to have an atheist in a Jewish congregation isn't an issue or a challenge or a problem."[8]

    There is a conspicuous case-study. Many Christians bemoan the removal of prayer from public schools. What many people do not know, however, is how this removal came about. It was the result of the landmark Engel v. Vitale, 370 U.S. 421 (1962) case, in which the U.S. Supreme Court legislated from the bench, decreeing it "unconstitutional" for public schools to adopt or encourage the recitation of "official" prayers in public schools.

    The genesis of the case was this: "In the fall of 1958, Steven Engel visited his son's elementary school classroom in Hyde Park, New York. Engel, a Jew, was upset to see his son's hands clasped and his head bent in prayer. He told his son that this was 'not the way we say prayers.'"[9]

    As George Lincoln Rockwell observed in the late 1960s: "If Israel is a Jewish country and has the right to be Jewish, if Ghana is a black country and has the right to be black, why don't we have the right to keep a white country white and Christian? Why, how long do you think you people would last if you went over there to Israel and started campaigning in the Jewish schools in Israel against singing Jewish songs? And yet they're over here campaigning against us singing Christmas carols in ours. ...You can't sing Christmas carols in schools any more. They won't tolerate it, but we must."[10]...



    In another recent news item, we read about the activist goings on of one Michael "Mikey" Weinstein. "...A Pentagon ban on proselytizing has left some conservative activists fearful that Christian soldiers -- and even military chaplains -- could face court martial for sharing their faith.

    "The Defense Department said this week that proselytizing -- trying to get someone to change faiths -- is banned. Its statement does not define proselytizing or address the role of military chaplains. It also does not rule out court martial for those whose share their faith too aggressively....[13, 14]


    Additional evidence of Jewish left-leaning can be detected from the fact that the overwhelming majority of Jews - "religious" or "secular" - support abortion[15] and "same sex marriage",[16] both of which are opposed by many "religious Conservatives."

    It is simply a fact that, historically, Jews have been at the forefront of liberalizing and activist politics.

    SOCIALISM  

     Another important facet of the larger discussion contrasting "Conservative" and "Jewish interests" must therefore be to note the historical point that Jews have long advanced socialism, communism and other radical, leftist ideologies.[17],[18]

    From Moses Hess, Karl Marx and Ferdinand Lassalle to Leon Trotsky (born Bronstein) and Vladimir Lenin (scion of the Jewish Blank family), Communist-Bolshevism was a decidedly Jewish - and anti-Christian/anti-Russian peasant - movement.[19]

    Combined with the fact, established centuries ago by intrepid researchers like Gustaf Dalman, Johann Eisenmenger, Alexander McCaul, Bernhard Pick and Johann Wagenseil and admitted by honest scholars such as Theodor Keim and Princeton University's Peter Schaefer, that the Jewish Talmud holds that Jesus Christ was a blasphemer who was not only rightly accused and justly executed, but also - and outrageously - asserts such filthy scurrilities as that the Blessed Virgin Mary was a whore[20] and that Jesus was justly executed for practicing magic and leading Israel astray[21] and is now being punished in hell by being suspended in boiling human excrement;[22] it's fairly compelling, as Michael Hoffman has argued at length, that the label "Judeo-Christian" is an oxymoron.

    This is not a novel idea. Saint Paul indicated: "the Jews ...killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets and also drove us out. They displease God and are hostile to everyone...".[23]

    Nevertheless, Christians continue to labor under the mistaken belief that Jews have some sort of robust kinship with Christians. The counterpoint can scarcely be better made than it was by Saint John the Evangelist, who wrote in 1 John 2:22-23: "Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist - denying the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also."

    According to John, writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, any person who denies Jesus also has neither the Son nor the Father. Therefore, on Biblical authority, it seems that whatever God the Jews proclaim, it simply cannot be the Father of Jesus - or else the New Testament is gravely mistaken.

    As to the idea that (supposed) Jewish pedigree is salvific [leading to salvation] in and of itself, Jesus himself dismissed this when He said: "And do not think you can say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham as our father.' I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham." (Matthew 3:9).

    In fact, more strongly, Jesus told the Pharisees - the forerunners of the rabbis: "You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies."[24]

    As Saint Augustine of Hippo once reportedly said: "Judaism, since Christ, is a corruption; indeed Judas is the image of the Jewish people; their understanding of the Scriptures is carnal; they bear the guilt for the death of the Saviour, for through their fathers they killed the Christ."[25]








    https://www.henrymakow.com/2015/09/Christians-so-naive.html#sthash.fR87aPFG.dpuf

    Agreed. ‘Judeo Christian’ a term probably coined by some Jew professor at CCNY back in the 1930′s or 40′s. An Oxy’moron’ indeed!

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  55. @Agent76
    Dec 5, 2016 Born to Hate Jews

    How do devout Muslims born in the West feel about Jews? How do they feel about Western values in general? Kasim Hafeez, who was raised a devout Muslim in England, explains.

    https://youtu.be/xCQEmeGfFmY

    Hey Agent76,

    I looked up Kasim Hafeez, and came across this article:

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/from-rage-in-the-mosque-to-tears-at-the-wailing-wall/

    And it has this quote from him which just sounds very, very suspicious:
    “I don’t feel my story is that unusual. It’s just my life,” he says as he caresses a pendant with the Star of David that he bought at the end of his 2007 trip. “I hold this every time I miss Israel, which is every day. I know it sounds strange, but when I’m here I feel as though I have come home.”

    I mean something is just so abjectly groveling in that statement – it doesn’t sound normal. I don’t know if you can trust him, the Israelis basically pay his wages:

    http://thelawfareproject.org/fellows-2/

    I can tell you this; I personally know 8 qualified and certified muftis – not ‘know of’, I actually know them on a personal basis. I have been taught by 3 of them on various medieval texts on Islamic jurisprudence and belief.

    In exactly none of the cases did they ever teach hatred for Jews, ever – I don’t even recall a single line coming from their mouths that could be construed as hatred against Jews. They would speak up about Israeli oppression, but they never preached hatred. And these men are some of the most devout individuals I know. I have no clue what kind of ‘devout’ Muslims Mr. Hafeez hung out with. Their description strikes me as run of the mill Salafi/Wahhabi extremists.

    Peace.

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  56. @anonymous
    Talha,
    Please excuse my ignorance about Islam. Do Muslims believe in the Ten Commandmants? Do Islamic teachings provide any modification of those Commandmants?
    Peace,
    anonymous

    Hello sir,

    No problem – everyone has their own niches of knowledge – I am most ignorant about a great many things that you likely could school me in.

    As far as commandments, in short, yes – we believe in what was revealed to the Arch-Prophet Moses (pbuh):
    “And when the anger subsided in Moses, he took up the tablets; and in their inscription was guidance and mercy for those who are fearful of their Lord.” (7:154)

    A summary in the Qur’an is found in these verses:
    “Say: ‘Come and I will recite what your Lord has forbidden for you, that you not associate anything with Him, and be good to parents. Do not kill your children out of poverty, for We will provide for you and them. Do not approach lewdness, whether it is public or private. Do not kill the soul which God has made sacred except by right of justice. This He has instructed you that you may reason. Do not approach the property of the orphans, except in a way that is best, until he reaches maturity. Give full measure and weight in justice. We [God] do not charge any soul except within its capability. When you testify, be just even if it concerns a relative, and fulfill the covenant of God. This He has instructed you that you may remember. And this is My straight path, so follow it and do not follow other ways, lest you be separated from His way. This He has instructed you that you will be righteous.’” (6:151-153)

    Peace.

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    That's not a very effective summary.

    Nevertheless, going through the commandments, I see Muslims keep (ideally) pretty much all of them save possibly the reservation of the Sabbath day (at least according to these people) . Obviously the sense of some of the commandments (e.g. graven images) is taken differently.
    , @Seraphim
    Did Muhammad read other tablets than the ones quoted in the 'Bible'? How come that he does not quote the standard text if his mission is to confirm the previous prophets ('I come to confirm the Torah which preceded me'), the more when it is the 'Arch-Prophet'? Why is his knowledge of these scriptures so often confused? Had Muhammad ever had in his hands the Scriptures of the Jews and of the Christians (which by his time were available in all languages), when he himself recommends 'to ask those who have been reading the Book from before you, if you were in doubt as to what We have revealed unto you then'? It would certainly avoid him the embarrassment of claiming that Mary was the sister of Moses.
  57. Too many Jews have a blind spot on Zionism. Zionists love when Jews move to Israel. The problem is Jews often like were they live. So Zionists see opportunity when Jews have problems abroad. They certainly jumped all over Ukraine and the rise of Islamic antisemitism in France to “call them home”.

    If you don’t understand the Zionist/antisemitic alliance , and you are a Jew, may your god help you because you will need it.

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    They certainly jumped all over Ukraine and the rise of Islamic antisemitism in France to “call them home”.
     
    Good takes and accurate. And as the process rolls forward here, Jewish media and courts are heartily encouraging the same Muslim inflows here in the U.S. that turned Europe into an unsafe harbor for Jews. And so, is Israel going to "call" American Jewry home to Israel? Where to put them all? Ah, more settlements. Let the record show that Jews shit on the White Christian men that wanted to protect safety, ESPECIALLY for the Jews we've been pressed to protect because Holocaust: Never Forget. Well, I don't forget.

    But I'm god damned sick and tired of being shit on for trying to prevent the next mass exodus to Israel because of Muslim inflows into the United States that are damaging to the Jewish interest that were encouraged by, wait for it: Jewish Media and Courts. Read James Baldwin, read Dick Gregory. Read Jesse Jackson, Ralph Abernathy. They all HATED Jews, saw Jews as the source of all of the problems of Blacks. But Jews have seen nothing yet here in the States. One would think American Jewry communicates with Israeli Jewry, formerly of Western Europe. The United States is a big place, maybe American Jews thing they're safe. This is the final harbor for them, they better start protecting it. Time to stop with the virtue-signaling toward Muslims that would drive Jews out. Fight back or else.
  58. @SamJ
    @Mao Cheng Ji

    Don't expect shame from far too much Euro-American Jewish political writing. Arrogance, duplicity, and a lack of intellectual integrity is what characterizes far too many of them. In this mentality there is a form of pathological egocentrism and "moral idiocy" that in turn affects the entire culture. The exceptions prove the rule.

    This woman is ignorant of basic history. Jews, Christians, and Muslims lived cheek by jowl for centuries; the Jewish community achieved an apogee of its culture in Muslim Spain. In any case, the Koran commands respect for the "People of the Book" (Ahl al-Kitab), and reveres all the Jewish prophets without exception.

    If Christians, Jews and Muslims lived peacefully side by side in Islamic Spain, why did the Roman Catholic Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand expel all the Jews and Muslims from Spain?

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    why did the Roman Catholic Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand expel all the Jews and Muslims from Spain?
     
    Duuuuuude, you answered your own question - that's deep man - deep.

    Peace.

    , @schmenz
    A long and interesting subject best explained by noted historians Like William Thomas Walsh (see his "Isabella of Spain").

    In a nutshell, after Isabella restored Spain under Spanish Catholic rule there were Jewish elements who were playing a subversive game by pretending to be Catholics while remain secretly Jews. These were the "Marranos". Recall that this was considered treason at the time, and in fact many of the Marranos were indeed discovered committing treasonous acts against the State and the religion of the State. While Isabella employed trusted Jews in her own government, and often protected many others of them from the backlash of the exploited people, things suddenly boiled to a head with the infamous Host of LaGuardia case. The horrors of that case so shocked the people of Spain that they were out for blood and revenge (to read the details of the case in the Walsh book one can somewhat sympathize with a thirst for swift revenge). In order to protect the Jews from wholesale massacre Isabella finally had to expel them Spain.

    http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/isabella-of-spain-william-thomas-walsh/1114285132
    , @Seraphim
    Because they were obviously not living peacefully.
  59. @anonymous
    Talha,
    Please excuse my ignorance about Islam. Do Muslims believe in the Ten Commandmants? Do Islamic teachings provide any modification of those Commandmants?
    Peace,
    anonymous

    Islam is a Christian heresy. Talha cannot provide you with correct theological answers regarding Judaism or Islam. He is a heretic. Judaism ended with Christ. Under orthodox Christianity, any “Jews” claiming to be or practice Judaism are under a Deicidal curse.

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    Christianity is a Jewish heresy. Attila the Hen cannot provide you with correct theological answers regarding Islam or Christanity. He is a heretic. Christianity ended with Islam. Under orthodox Judaism, any “Jews” claiming to be or practice Christianity are under a heretical curse.

    See what I did there?
    , @Talha
    Aww don't be like that, sis! I guess we can turn to you for the correct theological understanding of Islam, right? I mean, because...well, because.

    That's fine, so we're a Christian heresy - so was Arianism and a whole host of other non-Chalcedonian groups in the past. So what is Orthodox and what is heterodox anyway? Those that are most ascendant? Those who write history?

    Don't look now sis, but probably within your life time, Islam will be the most prominent Christian heresy the world has ever known - we can then claim your doctrine as the heresy. Door swings both ways.

    Logic - it's good for what ails ya'.

    Peace.
    , @Seraphim
    No, Islam is not a 'Christian heresy'. The proper meaning of 'heresy' is 'school'. A school created by a teacher, his following. Christian heresies must come from inside Christianity, which is not the case with Mahomed.

    This is what Saint John of Damascus wrote about Islam only few decades after its apperance:

    "There is also the superstition of the Ishmaelites which to this day prevails and keeps people in error, being a forerunner of the Antichrist....These used to be idolaters and worshiped the morning star and Aphrodite, whom in their own language they called Khabár, which means great. And so down to the time of Heraclius they were very great idolaters. From that time to the present a false prophet named Mohammed has appeared in their midst. This man, after having chanced upon the Old and New Testaments and likewise, it seems, having conversed with an Arian monk, devised his own heresy. Then, having insinuated himself into the good graces of the people by a show of seeming piety, he gave out that a certain book had been sent down to him from heaven. He had set down some ridiculous compositions in this book of his and he gave it to them as an object of veneration".
    "This book" belongs to the literary genre of 'fiction', whose author is Mohamed.

    In reality the proper name of the 'superstition of the Ishmaelites' is Mohamedanism, because it represents the following of Mohamed. As 'Christians' mean the followers of Christ.

  60. Lol, another Jewish person who can’t stay clear from using the term “survival” when referring to the Jewish future, alluding subconsciously to future Holocausts, exactly because deep down she knows that it is Jews and their behavior who threaten Jewish “survival”.

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  61. @Talha
    Hello sir,

    No problem - everyone has their own niches of knowledge - I am most ignorant about a great many things that you likely could school me in.

    As far as commandments, in short, yes - we believe in what was revealed to the Arch-Prophet Moses (pbuh):
    "And when the anger subsided in Moses, he took up the tablets; and in their inscription was guidance and mercy for those who are fearful of their Lord." (7:154)

    A summary in the Qur'an is found in these verses:
    "Say: 'Come and I will recite what your Lord has forbidden for you, that you not associate anything with Him, and be good to parents. Do not kill your children out of poverty, for We will provide for you and them. Do not approach lewdness, whether it is public or private. Do not kill the soul which God has made sacred except by right of justice. This He has instructed you that you may reason. Do not approach the property of the orphans, except in a way that is best, until he reaches maturity. Give full measure and weight in justice. We [God] do not charge any soul except within its capability. When you testify, be just even if it concerns a relative, and fulfill the covenant of God. This He has instructed you that you may remember. And this is My straight path, so follow it and do not follow other ways, lest you be separated from His way. This He has instructed you that you will be righteous.'" (6:151-153)

    Peace.

    That’s not a very effective summary.

    Nevertheless, going through the commandments, I see Muslims keep (ideally) pretty much all of them save possibly the reservation of the Sabbath day (at least according to these people) . Obviously the sense of some of the commandments (e.g. graven images) is taken differently.

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    Hey RSDB,

    We definitely don't have them all at one place at a time such that they are the 10 Commandments. They are scattered throughout the Qur'an. These set of verses happened to have the most all in a set.

    As far as the Sabbath - ours is today, Friday. And there is a whole chapter dedicated to giving the command to attend the congregational prayer. We don't do the whole take all of the day in rest thing. We are only obliged to attend the prayer.

    As far as graven images - we are pretty solid about that, you won't find icons in our mosques.

    Peace.

    Bonus: Kid you not, at the congregational prayer today I saw an older Muslim gentleman that looked just like Pope Francis (minus about 15 pounds)!
  62. @Agent76
    Do you have anything that proves the contrary?

    What difference does it make what Muslims think about Jews or Jews think about Muslims? Neither group belongs in the West and both should be removed back to their Middle Eastern homelands forthwith.

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    This I am sure this will and should open your eyes. NOVEMBER 18, 2012 Israel and the U.S. CREATED Hamas, Hezbollah and Al Qaeda

    Creating the Enemies We Now Fight Against. We’ve extensively documented that the U.S. and Israel created Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups in an attempt to fight other enemies.

    http://investmentwatchblog.com/israel-and-the-u-s-created-hamas-hezbollah-and-al-qaeda/

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    @attilathehen
    Islam is a Christian heresy. Talha cannot provide you with correct theological answers regarding Judaism or Islam. He is a heretic. Judaism ended with Christ. Under orthodox Christianity, any "Jews" claiming to be or practice Judaism are under a Deicidal curse.

    Christianity is a Jewish heresy. Attila the Hen cannot provide you with correct theological answers regarding Islam or Christanity. He is a heretic. Christianity ended with Islam. Under orthodox Judaism, any “Jews” claiming to be or practice Christianity are under a heretical curse.

    See what I did there?

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    I see, so let's get a couple things out of the way first. World history can be summed up in 2 words: IQ. Caucasians have the highest IQs, then Asians, last are the blacks. I am a Caucasian Christian woman. What are you?

    Talha is a Pakistani, so he is Asian and inferior to a Caucasian woman. Average IQ in Pakistan is 84. Talha is a little brighter because he said he is in the USA on some kind of work visa (but that could be just another form of affirmative action).

    Christianity is a religion best suited for the Western mind, soul. However, I do respect European pagan beliefs because many of them actually prefigure Christianity.

    Christianity is the fulfillment of Old Testament Judaism (read Isiah). Modern day "Judaism" is composed of the Talmud, Mishnah and rabbi teachings that have very little to do with Old Testament Judaism. So modern day Judaism cannot say anything about Christianity.

    The West has been Christian for 2000 years and that's why I defend it. Most people need religion and Christianity is best for the West. Asians/blacks don't have Western minds and souls so for them it's useless. But if they want to be Christian, then they must have their own churches.

    Today's Jews are also very mixed racially. Many Jews marry blacks/Asians so there is no connection to the West for them. And, again, if they say they practice "Judaism," they are not aware of Old Testament Judaism. The Hassids keep the Leviticus laws of diet to separate themselves as much as possible, but their race--mixing destroys them even more. Also, Jews and Asians had nothing to do with the West.

    Christianity is a unique religion and can only be practiced by people with an IQ to live by its rules. But since I am an orthodox Christian, anything that impugns or denies Christ's divinity, is a heresy. That is Islam.


    Next, take a look at Islamic countries. Most Muslims are Asians/blacks with low IQs. Their horrible countries are a testament to their IQs and Islamic beliefs.

    So, my perspective is Christian but also IQ and Talha fails to meet the standards.

  64. @Talha
    I love Ms. Mercer's articles on Islam! They're so full...of stuff!!!

    It’s not right-wing populism that endangers Jewish survival in Europe and Canada
     
    Umm, have you read some of the comments at UNZ. "Push them into the sea!" apparently is quite popular on this side of the pond - I had no clue.

    it’s the influx of Muslims
     
    OK - please send massive memos to your folks to stop the influx now - they are in the thick of advocating it (and also setting about the causes of it by advocating destabilizing Muslim countries). Please figure out what the hell you want!

    These Muslims bring with them the Islam that The Prophet practiced.
     
    Ahhh - one can certainly dream!

    This Islam does not tolerate Jews.
     
    Which is why practically ever place Islam spread to and kicked out the prevailing Byzantine or Persian or Visigoth, etc. order, your folks thought it was a blessing from God that He raised up the 'Kingdom of Ismael':
    "The angel Metatron at once answered him. 'Fear not, O son of man! The Holy One, blessed be He, brings the kingdom of Ishmael only to save you from this wicked one (Rome) He will send a prophet to them and conquer the Land [of Israel]...And the second king who arises from Ishmael will love [the people of] Israel and conquer all the kingdoms."
    Historical Dictionary of Judaism

    I mean, have you even read your own history?

    Muslims now greatly outnumber Jews in these formerly safe spaces for Judaism.
     
    Doh - I guess we'll have to deal with more illegal settlements now that y'all need to go to Israel for your safe spaces, eh?

    are almost exclusively the handiwork of an ancient hatred
     
    Or extremist mob mentality - take your pick.

    Second only to Latinos, the relatively new, roughly 40-year-old Muslim community is the most anti-Semitic community
     
    Damn it - we can't be first in anything!

    It is virtually impossible to be reared in classical Islam and not be educated to hate Jews
     
    Really - I know plenty of traditionally trained Muslim scholars that don't hate Jews - how did that happen?

    many of the Suras concerning Jews are monstrously hateful, murderous, terrifying
     
    If you understood the context - you'd understand why this is so. I would hope they would be terrified when God declares war on those that plotted to help the enemies of His Prophet (pbuh) - you expect Him to deliver them ice cream from the heavens?
    "It is He who expelled from their habitations the unbelievers among the People of the Book at the first gathering. You did not think that they would go forth, and they thought that their fortresses would defend them against God; but God came upon them from whence they had not reckoned, and He cast terror into their hearts as they destroyed their houses with their own hands, and the hands of the believers; therefore take heed, you who have eyes!" (59:2)

    It astonishes me that people think God should conduct Himself like a chump - where does this mentality come from? I mean, does He own the universe or is it all about your feelings and safe-spaces. Now who's talking SJW?

    according to Islamic teaching, were Muslims, not Jews
     
    Uh no - they were ethnically Jews, but Muslims. Being a Jew can be an ethnic identity or a religious one. All prophets are Muslim for us - their ethnicity is irrelevant.

    condemned anti-Semitism
     
    This is a major problem because many Jewish groups insist that criticism of Israel is anti-semitic - therefore they want to back us up into a corner. Sorry, we won't play that game. We can oppose Israel without hating on Jews. If you can't see that - it's your problem, not ours.

    Islam and Latin America
     
    O crap! The nightmare convergence!

    "MIAMI — Latinos are one of the fastest growing groups in the Muslim religion."
    http://www.voanews.com/a/latinas-converting-to-islam-for-identity-structure/2488304.html

    they heap insults on a president who belongs to one of the most politically submissive, bullied groups: white men
     
    Yeah - that's not smart.

    The proper metaphor for the relationship between Judaism and Christianity is that of proud parent and progeny.
     
    OMG! You have got to be *****ing me - can you seriously write that with a straight face? Man are you going to get seriously nailed by a boatload of UNZ comments for that one! OK, given that we trace ourselves back to Abraham (pbuh) - is our metaphor one of a proud grandparent and grandkids! Can I call you 'Gramps'??!!

    Peace.

    Which is why practically ever place Islam spread to and kicked out the prevailing Byzantine or Persian or Visigoth, etc. order, your folks thought it was a blessing from God that He raised up the ‘Kingdom of Ismael’:

    This was only good for the 1st couple of centuries, after that, and continuing until today, the persecution, expulsion and extermination of Jews and Christians in most Muslim lands have given us the result that with few exceptions they have been cleansed of Jews and Christians.

    many Jewish groups insist that criticism of Israel is anti-semitic

    This is true, but does not change the fact that most criticism of Israel is based upon anti-Semitism.

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    Hey iffen,

    Couple of points:

    This was only good for the 1st couple of centuries
     
    It is really only the practice of the first generation that guides us. Whatever the Abbasids, or Ottomans, or Mughals, etc. did that is in line with that is good - otherwise, rejected.

    persecution
     
    This depends on the definition. If someone considers persecution or oppression such that it is anytime that the minority is not treated on parity with the majority, then guilty as charged. But, Islam does not give up the keys to its civilizational capital to religious minorities. If one demands that we prove our awesomeness by having Jews on our Federal Supreme Courts like they sit in the US, no sale.

    Now if in the US, Muslims were, say, stripped of their rights to vote in federal elections or a clause was put into the Constitution that Muslims couldn't become president - that wouldn't be treating us equally, but I would hardly call that oppressive - maybe SJWs would.

    expulsion and extermination of Jews and Christians in most Muslim lands have given us the result that with few exceptions they have been cleansed of Jews and Christians.
     
    This doesn't sound right to me. In every honest academic work of history that I've come across, I've not seen this to be the case. Rather, the main reason why there aren't that many Jews and Christians is that they slowly converted over the centuries; whether sincerely or to get out of jizya or for social mobility. Now that is the main reason, though for sure there were certain episodes of expulsion and extermination (some being worse than others - and you forgot unofficial episodes of mob violence when some would convert out of fear) - no doubt about that. Many of the worst ones came fairly late in the game when the nationalism bug started biting everyone including the Turks and Arabs.

    Peace.
  65. @Andrei Martyanov

    This comment alone tells me that the author has no idea about what Islam is. She must have learned it from the two of the most famous American “Muslims,” Daniel Pipe and Pamella Geller. The way these two depicts Islam and the prophet, I am surprised there is any Jew left in the world. With the Muslims ruling Middle East and the Europe all the Jews would have been killed by the Jew-hating Muslims.
     
    LOL, I surely like your level of "expertise". It is about the same as that of Edward Said.

    It is not easy to understand Qur’an by literalist read.
     
    And so is any other scripture. Yet, people managed to do this just fine. And then there are Hadith, Tafsir etc. And where did I hear this story about Islam before? ;-)

    Hey Smoothie,

    Yet, people managed to do this just fine.

    No they did not – have you never heard of the Thirty Year’s War? The only reason anybody can interpret anything now in Christianity is because it is a hobby religion:
    “There were 217 denominations listed in the 2006 Yearbook of American and Canadian Churches. But there may well be other groups that function as a denomination but do not regard themselves as such.”

    http://hirr.hartsem.edu/research/fastfacts/fast_facts.html#denom

    Once religion is no longer important, then who cares? It doesn’t mean anything. And when it doesn’t, then it can provide no meaning any more.

    When Christians took their religion seriously, when it was the framework by which their life was guided and it was the most prominent core facet of their being, they had the similar problems of extremism that we do – actually worse. The Thirty Year’s War, makes our current Sunni-Shiah conflict look like a picnic.

    Peace.

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    Christianity is because it is a hobby religion

    Whoa! Who are you and what have you done with Talha?
    , @Andrei Martyanov

    The Thirty Year’s War, makes our current Sunni-Shiah conflict look like a picnic
     
    You mean Iran-Iraq War which had a serious religious (Sunni-Shia) underpinning and saw millions of people slaughtered in an industrial warfare? Yes, I heard of Thirty Years War.
  66. @attilathehen
    Islam is a Christian heresy. Talha cannot provide you with correct theological answers regarding Judaism or Islam. He is a heretic. Judaism ended with Christ. Under orthodox Christianity, any "Jews" claiming to be or practice Judaism are under a Deicidal curse.

    Aww don’t be like that, sis! I guess we can turn to you for the correct theological understanding of Islam, right? I mean, because…well, because.

    That’s fine, so we’re a Christian heresy – so was Arianism and a whole host of other non-Chalcedonian groups in the past. So what is Orthodox and what is heterodox anyway? Those that are most ascendant? Those who write history?

    Don’t look now sis, but probably within your life time, Islam will be the most prominent Christian heresy the world has ever known – we can then claim your doctrine as the heresy. Door swings both ways.

    Logic – it’s good for what ails ya’.

    Peace.

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    Hey bro, remember you're Pakistani (average Paki IQ 84). I will admit you have a couple more points though. But you still are inferior to a Christian Caucasian woman.

    Most Muslims are Asians/blacks the races with the lowest IQs.

    There's a new sheriff in town - Trump.

    The times they are a changin'.
  67. Did Trump say, “I am the least anti-semitic person you will ..” Syntax suggests some wiggle-room there.

    Then there is the charge that the other adult sons of Trump have indulged in some questionable tweets or something. I have not followed this but if anybody knows about it, I would like to hear about it.

    Then, I attempted to post on Karlin’s new article and was greeted with YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO POST HERE.

    Oriental Despotism rears its non-white head. The only writer here to BAN me.

    BTW, apropos of Israel, I am reading The Arabists by Robert Kaplan , about 1995 or so. Great read for those who want to understand how the jews took over the State Dept from the pro-Arab Arabists. It’s a page turner.

    Joe Webb

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    [Great read for those who want to understand how the jews took over the State Dept from the pro-Arab Arabists]

    Arabists at State are a troublesome legacy, compliments of old Whitehall, which to this day retains a strong whiff of T.E. Lawrence and Faisal. Whatever influence Jews exercise on State, serves only to keep the vessel seaworthy.

  68. @attilathehen
    If Christians, Jews and Muslims lived peacefully side by side in Islamic Spain, why did the Roman Catholic Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand expel all the Jews and Muslims from Spain?

    why did the Roman Catholic Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand expel all the Jews and Muslims from Spain?

    Duuuuuude, you answered your own question – that’s deep man – deep.

    Peace.

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  69. The only menace recognized by coastal elites is threats to real estate prices.

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  70. @Talha
    Hey Smoothie,

    Yet, people managed to do this just fine.
     
    No they did not - have you never heard of the Thirty Year's War? The only reason anybody can interpret anything now in Christianity is because it is a hobby religion:
    "There were 217 denominations listed in the 2006 Yearbook of American and Canadian Churches. But there may well be other groups that function as a denomination but do not regard themselves as such."
    http://hirr.hartsem.edu/research/fastfacts/fast_facts.html#denom

    Once religion is no longer important, then who cares? It doesn't mean anything. And when it doesn't, then it can provide no meaning any more.

    When Christians took their religion seriously, when it was the framework by which their life was guided and it was the most prominent core facet of their being, they had the similar problems of extremism that we do - actually worse. The Thirty Year's War, makes our current Sunni-Shiah conflict look like a picnic.

    Peace.

    Christianity is because it is a hobby religion

    Whoa! Who are you and what have you done with Talha?

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    Hey iffen,

    It didn't used to be nor does it have to be - it lost its gusto somewhere along the line. In the West it is this way, in places like Russia - they still have something with more depth.

    Peace.
  71. Btw department again. The Derb article on his ‘bafflement’ about the hysterics of the lib-rads-dems….Reading The Arabists gives some insight on how the Dems became the political force most anti-Russian in the US today. The Karlin article describes how Repubs are split about 50 50 on Russia, while the Dems are about 25 75, 75 being anti-Russian.

    The Dems are headed by Jews who lead the useful idiots into anti-Russian fits. Jews hate Russia, because Russia has been throwing out the jews since Stalin, with the heave-ho to the oligarchs just being the latest manifestation of same.

    The GOP contained the remnants of anti-semitic old white guys, with James Baker personifying same, with his “fuck the jews, they don’t vote for us anyway.” That was then and now the GOP and Trump gathers its constituencies, including the Amen Corner (per Buchanan).

    Cobble together and make a ‘base’…..The Derb article now on the Derbyshire link, not on the main page, contains my reply to Derb and why he is Baffled. Did not do his homework.

    Joe Webb

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    Say it ain't so, Joe.

    Dem Jews what done it?

    If the answer is always dem Jews what done it, that takes all the fun and interest out of cognitation. Why read? Why learn? Why reason?
    , @RobinG
    "Oriental Despotism rears its non-white head." HUH?????????? A.K. is a Russian white boy. What are you talking about>

    A little OT - Ever run into John Walsh in Berkeley? He makes great points. Idiot 'progressive' Dems hate Trump so much, they want to use fake Russian connection against him.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdqeqhFxSNU
    CrossTalk: Liberal War Addiction
    John Walsh
    Mohammad Marandi
    Sara Flounders
  72. @anon

    The proper metaphor for the relationship between Judaism and Christianity is that of proud parent and progeny.
     
    This is not correct. Christians of all denominations persecuted the Jews for centuries, and the Jews paid back despising the Christians, in works like the Toledot Yeshu of the Middle Ages.
    In a work considered to be the piece capital of modern American literature, Michael Gold's "Jews without Money," there is a scene in which poor Jews mock a sacristan washing a cucifix at the door of a Lutheran church.

    Actually, your timetable starts nowhere near the beginning. Led by Pharisees, Jews persecuted a number of of prominent Christians to death. The ‘despising’ began with Jews making certain Jesus would die, in hope that his message would die with him.

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  73. @Mark Green
    What a manipulating writer and dishonest article. All Ilana Mercer ever thinks about is the always-imperiled safety of HER precious people, never the reverse. Her hyper-ethnocentrism is both insulting and small-minded.

    Isn't it about time that gentiles kept running tabs on the threats, humiliations, and genuine security issues posed by Jews upon them?

    What about the impact of Jewish activism on all of humanity, Ilana? It's bone-crushing!

    Shall we do a body count, starting with the Russian revolution?

    And how about Israel's nuclear arsenal?

    Why isn't Israel's undeclared array of nuclear WMD not considered a critical security threat to the entire region? After all, it is.

    Can we talk about it?--or is doing so 'anti-Semitic'?

    And how about what holy Jewish scripture says about the goyim? Not very flattering.

    In fact, it's worse than what the Koran says about Jews!

    Why shouldn't the outrage go both ways?

    Jewish disdain similarly applies to Christians. To countless religious Jews, Christ is an imposter who deserves to be "boiled in excrement". Not very neighborly, eh?

    What should we do about this, Ms. Mercer?

    Jewish fundamentalism is often shocking, revolting, and threatening. But don't hold your breath waiting for Mercer to come clean about these theological embarrassments or the countless double-standards that benefit her tribe and her adopted apartheid welfare state. Pursuing the truth just isn't her shtick.

    Indeed, like so many of her co-ethnics, Mercer's present strategy is to turn Christians against Muslims. This works out rather nicely for Israel. Just look at the smoldering ruins of Iraq, Palestine, Libya and Syria; not to mention the ongoing economic strangulation of Iran. These are crypto-Zionist operations. And if Israel gets its way, there will be more.

    Ilana Mercer is a hasbara operative posing as a Zio-libertarian. But don't be fooled. She and her brethren work tirelessly to divide-up Israel's ever-expanding list of victims, dupes and adversaries. She's presently spinning a political yarn using a hip, American, libertarian smokescreen. But it's 100% kosher. If it wasn't, she would be complaining about how US-based Israelis use American power to steer Washington into expensive and unnecessary wars of aggression that benefit the Zionist state. This huge and obvious oversight permeates Mercer's entire 'libertarian' ideology. I'm amazed that Unz even publishes her.

    Thus, you will never hear a comment or position from Mercer that exalts the libertarian principle of non-aggression. Why? It undermines the long-term Zionist project which requires expansion, conquest and war--as well as uninterrupted military succor from Uncle Sam.

    These deceptions explain why ruinous invasions and foreign-funded revolts are being orchestrated all over the globe by pro-Zionists of various ideological persuasions. And among the cheerleaders is Zio-libertarian, Ilana Mercer.

    'Why do those evil anti-Semites hate us so?'

    Oy vey.

    At the same time, the Zionist state continues to siphon off resources and wealth from innumerable peoples as it sets the groundwork for additional conflict.

    No genuine libertarian could support such wasteful, violent, and lethal state action. In fact, any honest libertarian would necessarily denounce Israel for its hyper-sonic levels of interference, aggression and parasitism upon the American republic. Not Mercer.

    She'd rather bellyache about Palestinian rock-throwers, stateless Iraqi paupers, and other threats to 'Jewish survival'. This is tribalism, not libertarianism.

    Indeed, if she was a libertarian, Mercer would caution us Americans to mind our own business and stop waging non-essential wars against distant Muslim states. This is what Ron Paul has been doing for decades. Not Mercer.

    In fact, Mercer's living happily and securely in her kosher, socialist apartheid state, kvetching about 'anti-Semitism' and the poor treatment of Jews at the hands of evil Muslims. Might it be that her entire political scenario is a fraud?--and that the very reverse is more accurate?

    It is the vast, unchecked power of international Jewry--not Islam--that undermines American security and global stability.

    Well said.

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  74. @Agent76
    Dec 5, 2016 Born to Hate Jews

    How do devout Muslims born in the West feel about Jews? How do they feel about Western values in general? Kasim Hafeez, who was raised a devout Muslim in England, explains.

    https://youtu.be/xCQEmeGfFmY

    I saw the video and laughed. I have seen this kind of Israeli propaganda before. As a Muslim and especially the one who was educated in those fundamentalist schools and being a Pakistani he would never have gotten visa to go to Israel. I have known Americans who have been denied visas for being critical of Israel. I have also known a Pakistani who, once he praised Israel, was given a grand tour of Israel. This guys was a self proclaimed Jew hater. He would not get the visa to go to Israel in million years.

    True Jihad demanded violence.

    This is total nonsense. He does not even know the true concept of Islamic Jihad. According to Qur’an, the biggest jihad is against oneself. Listening to his narrative, it was obvious that he went to a Wahhabi/Salafi school, if he ever did go to one. The entire narrative is quite scripted and the reference to book by Alan Dershowitz’ was the final proof. My score on a scale 1 to 10 is -10.

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  75. @jacques sheete

    It’s annoying.
     
    You wanna know what's also annoying?

    Here's an introductory list.:

    Constant kvetching about victimhood.

    Whining about "anti-Semitism."

    Relentless hysteria regarding "existential threats."

    Blaming Muslims for whatever ails the special tribe.

    The mentality that somehow the world owes the self-proclaimed chosen everything from material wealth to endless adoration.

    I'd go on,but that would be annoying too.

    The mentality that somehow the world owes the self-proclaimed chosen everything from material wealth to endless adoration.

    One question for the chosen ones. If you are the chosen ones, why has your God abandoned you? Think about it.

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    One question for the chosen ones. If you are the chosen ones, why has your God abandoned you? Think about it.
     
    It's long overdue to recognize that Mercer's brand of Judaism, otherwise known as Zionism, is a false G-d, as are all other forms of nationalism, especially the colonial forms. Zionism itself has abandoned the G-d of the Jews and makes a mockery of the concept.

    The real elephant in the room and the biggest threat to Jewish survival is the Zio-threat. It's a complete abomination and perversion of Jewish values.

    Does this sound like Mercer's G-d?


    ...the God who appears to me is the comforter of the poor and their avenger in world history. This avenger of the poor is the God I love.

    -Hermann Cohen, The Concept of Religion in the System of Philosophy (1915)
     

  76. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Jake
    Actually, your timetable starts nowhere near the beginning. Led by Pharisees, Jews persecuted a number of of prominent Christians to death. The 'despising' began with Jews making certain Jesus would die, in hope that his message would die with him.

    Those Christians happened also to be Jews.

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    • Replies: @Jake
    Meaning what?

    Jewish hatred of Christ and Church did not end as the number of full blooded Jews in the Church began to be negligible.
  77. @joe webb
    Btw department again. The Derb article on his 'bafflement' about the hysterics of the lib-rads-dems....Reading The Arabists gives some insight on how the Dems became the political force most anti-Russian in the US today. The Karlin article describes how Repubs are split about 50 50 on Russia, while the Dems are about 25 75, 75 being anti-Russian.

    The Dems are headed by Jews who lead the useful idiots into anti-Russian fits. Jews hate Russia, because Russia has been throwing out the jews since Stalin, with the heave-ho to the oligarchs just being the latest manifestation of same.

    The GOP contained the remnants of anti-semitic old white guys, with James Baker personifying same, with his "fuck the jews, they don't vote for us anyway." That was then and now the GOP and Trump gathers its constituencies, including the Amen Corner (per Buchanan).

    Cobble together and make a 'base'.....The Derb article now on the Derbyshire link, not on the main page, contains my reply to Derb and why he is Baffled. Did not do his homework.

    Joe Webb

    Say it ain’t so, Joe.

    Dem Jews what done it?

    If the answer is always dem Jews what done it, that takes all the fun and interest out of cognitation. Why read? Why learn? Why reason?

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  78. @attilathehen
    If Christians, Jews and Muslims lived peacefully side by side in Islamic Spain, why did the Roman Catholic Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand expel all the Jews and Muslims from Spain?

    A long and interesting subject best explained by noted historians Like William Thomas Walsh (see his “Isabella of Spain”).

    In a nutshell, after Isabella restored Spain under Spanish Catholic rule there were Jewish elements who were playing a subversive game by pretending to be Catholics while remain secretly Jews. These were the “Marranos”. Recall that this was considered treason at the time, and in fact many of the Marranos were indeed discovered committing treasonous acts against the State and the religion of the State. While Isabella employed trusted Jews in her own government, and often protected many others of them from the backlash of the exploited people, things suddenly boiled to a head with the infamous Host of LaGuardia case. The horrors of that case so shocked the people of Spain that they were out for blood and revenge (to read the details of the case in the Walsh book one can somewhat sympathize with a thirst for swift revenge). In order to protect the Jews from wholesale massacre Isabella finally had to expel them Spain.

    http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/isabella-of-spain-william-thomas-walsh/1114285132

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  79. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Talha
    Hey Smoothie,

    Yet, people managed to do this just fine.
     
    No they did not - have you never heard of the Thirty Year's War? The only reason anybody can interpret anything now in Christianity is because it is a hobby religion:
    "There were 217 denominations listed in the 2006 Yearbook of American and Canadian Churches. But there may well be other groups that function as a denomination but do not regard themselves as such."
    http://hirr.hartsem.edu/research/fastfacts/fast_facts.html#denom

    Once religion is no longer important, then who cares? It doesn't mean anything. And when it doesn't, then it can provide no meaning any more.

    When Christians took their religion seriously, when it was the framework by which their life was guided and it was the most prominent core facet of their being, they had the similar problems of extremism that we do - actually worse. The Thirty Year's War, makes our current Sunni-Shiah conflict look like a picnic.

    Peace.

    The Thirty Year’s War, makes our current Sunni-Shiah conflict look like a picnic

    You mean Iran-Iraq War which had a serious religious (Sunni-Shia) underpinning and saw millions of people slaughtered in an industrial warfare? Yes, I heard of Thirty Years War.

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    C'mon Smoothie - let's be real man. The estimates of the slaughter for the Thirty Years War is around 1/6 or 1/7 of total Western European population - with some areas of Germany coming in at 1/3. It was a slaughterhouse; Iran-Iraq is nowhere close in proportion (here are the various estimates, most don't even reach a million)...
    http://necrometrics.com/20c300k.htm#Iran-Iraq

    ...and totally didn't have the same level of Sunni-Shiah consciousness. You would have had a better chance making the case between the Safavid and Ottoman wars which basically parallel a lot of the wars between France and Britain.

    Peace.
  80. @joe webb
    Btw department again. The Derb article on his 'bafflement' about the hysterics of the lib-rads-dems....Reading The Arabists gives some insight on how the Dems became the political force most anti-Russian in the US today. The Karlin article describes how Repubs are split about 50 50 on Russia, while the Dems are about 25 75, 75 being anti-Russian.

    The Dems are headed by Jews who lead the useful idiots into anti-Russian fits. Jews hate Russia, because Russia has been throwing out the jews since Stalin, with the heave-ho to the oligarchs just being the latest manifestation of same.

    The GOP contained the remnants of anti-semitic old white guys, with James Baker personifying same, with his "fuck the jews, they don't vote for us anyway." That was then and now the GOP and Trump gathers its constituencies, including the Amen Corner (per Buchanan).

    Cobble together and make a 'base'.....The Derb article now on the Derbyshire link, not on the main page, contains my reply to Derb and why he is Baffled. Did not do his homework.

    Joe Webb

    “Oriental Despotism rears its non-white head.” HUH?????????? A.K. is a Russian white boy. What are you talking about>

    A little OT – Ever run into John Walsh in Berkeley? He makes great points. Idiot ‘progressive’ Dems hate Trump so much, they want to use fake Russian connection against him.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdqeqhFxSNU
    CrossTalk: Liberal War Addiction
    John Walsh
    Mohammad Marandi
    Sara Flounders

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    • Replies: @joe webb
    ok thanks, but he looks asia minor, as in turkic. I think I so characterized him and he did not contradict my phenotypic comment.

    whatever...then he has some commie in him, and russian slavism. Farbeit from me to rundown Russians, but I see a lot of negative characterizations of Russians with people who know something.

    I have a Russian friend, female about 30 and looks white. I asked her about the negative assessments one hears abut Russians. She said, yeah we are pirates. Now I am willing to entertain certain Cultural arguments, particularly after about 75 years of communist cultural subversion, jewish and russian. Result has been lots of graft, etc.

    Whether slavs, or russians have some problems...could be....long way from Europe to deep Russia, and even Moscow....no magic carpets until recently, in terms of evolution and gene exchange.
    Have not lived in Berzerkeley in decades, and never get over there, what with traffic and so on.
    Joe Webb
  81. @Mark Green
    What a manipulating writer and dishonest article. All Ilana Mercer ever thinks about is the always-imperiled safety of HER precious people, never the reverse. Her hyper-ethnocentrism is both insulting and small-minded.

    Isn't it about time that gentiles kept running tabs on the threats, humiliations, and genuine security issues posed by Jews upon them?

    What about the impact of Jewish activism on all of humanity, Ilana? It's bone-crushing!

    Shall we do a body count, starting with the Russian revolution?

    And how about Israel's nuclear arsenal?

    Why isn't Israel's undeclared array of nuclear WMD not considered a critical security threat to the entire region? After all, it is.

    Can we talk about it?--or is doing so 'anti-Semitic'?

    And how about what holy Jewish scripture says about the goyim? Not very flattering.

    In fact, it's worse than what the Koran says about Jews!

    Why shouldn't the outrage go both ways?

    Jewish disdain similarly applies to Christians. To countless religious Jews, Christ is an imposter who deserves to be "boiled in excrement". Not very neighborly, eh?

    What should we do about this, Ms. Mercer?

    Jewish fundamentalism is often shocking, revolting, and threatening. But don't hold your breath waiting for Mercer to come clean about these theological embarrassments or the countless double-standards that benefit her tribe and her adopted apartheid welfare state. Pursuing the truth just isn't her shtick.

    Indeed, like so many of her co-ethnics, Mercer's present strategy is to turn Christians against Muslims. This works out rather nicely for Israel. Just look at the smoldering ruins of Iraq, Palestine, Libya and Syria; not to mention the ongoing economic strangulation of Iran. These are crypto-Zionist operations. And if Israel gets its way, there will be more.

    Ilana Mercer is a hasbara operative posing as a Zio-libertarian. But don't be fooled. She and her brethren work tirelessly to divide-up Israel's ever-expanding list of victims, dupes and adversaries. She's presently spinning a political yarn using a hip, American, libertarian smokescreen. But it's 100% kosher. If it wasn't, she would be complaining about how US-based Israelis use American power to steer Washington into expensive and unnecessary wars of aggression that benefit the Zionist state. This huge and obvious oversight permeates Mercer's entire 'libertarian' ideology. I'm amazed that Unz even publishes her.

    Thus, you will never hear a comment or position from Mercer that exalts the libertarian principle of non-aggression. Why? It undermines the long-term Zionist project which requires expansion, conquest and war--as well as uninterrupted military succor from Uncle Sam.

    These deceptions explain why ruinous invasions and foreign-funded revolts are being orchestrated all over the globe by pro-Zionists of various ideological persuasions. And among the cheerleaders is Zio-libertarian, Ilana Mercer.

    'Why do those evil anti-Semites hate us so?'

    Oy vey.

    At the same time, the Zionist state continues to siphon off resources and wealth from innumerable peoples as it sets the groundwork for additional conflict.

    No genuine libertarian could support such wasteful, violent, and lethal state action. In fact, any honest libertarian would necessarily denounce Israel for its hyper-sonic levels of interference, aggression and parasitism upon the American republic. Not Mercer.

    She'd rather bellyache about Palestinian rock-throwers, stateless Iraqi paupers, and other threats to 'Jewish survival'. This is tribalism, not libertarianism.

    Indeed, if she was a libertarian, Mercer would caution us Americans to mind our own business and stop waging non-essential wars against distant Muslim states. This is what Ron Paul has been doing for decades. Not Mercer.

    In fact, Mercer's living happily and securely in her kosher, socialist apartheid state, kvetching about 'anti-Semitism' and the poor treatment of Jews at the hands of evil Muslims. Might it be that her entire political scenario is a fraud?--and that the very reverse is more accurate?

    It is the vast, unchecked power of international Jewry--not Islam--that undermines American security and global stability.

    very well put, Mark!

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  82. @Talha
    I love Ms. Mercer's articles on Islam! They're so full...of stuff!!!

    It’s not right-wing populism that endangers Jewish survival in Europe and Canada
     
    Umm, have you read some of the comments at UNZ. "Push them into the sea!" apparently is quite popular on this side of the pond - I had no clue.

    it’s the influx of Muslims
     
    OK - please send massive memos to your folks to stop the influx now - they are in the thick of advocating it (and also setting about the causes of it by advocating destabilizing Muslim countries). Please figure out what the hell you want!

    These Muslims bring with them the Islam that The Prophet practiced.
     
    Ahhh - one can certainly dream!

    This Islam does not tolerate Jews.
     
    Which is why practically ever place Islam spread to and kicked out the prevailing Byzantine or Persian or Visigoth, etc. order, your folks thought it was a blessing from God that He raised up the 'Kingdom of Ismael':
    "The angel Metatron at once answered him. 'Fear not, O son of man! The Holy One, blessed be He, brings the kingdom of Ishmael only to save you from this wicked one (Rome) He will send a prophet to them and conquer the Land [of Israel]...And the second king who arises from Ishmael will love [the people of] Israel and conquer all the kingdoms."
    Historical Dictionary of Judaism

    I mean, have you even read your own history?

    Muslims now greatly outnumber Jews in these formerly safe spaces for Judaism.
     
    Doh - I guess we'll have to deal with more illegal settlements now that y'all need to go to Israel for your safe spaces, eh?

    are almost exclusively the handiwork of an ancient hatred
     
    Or extremist mob mentality - take your pick.

    Second only to Latinos, the relatively new, roughly 40-year-old Muslim community is the most anti-Semitic community
     
    Damn it - we can't be first in anything!

    It is virtually impossible to be reared in classical Islam and not be educated to hate Jews
     
    Really - I know plenty of traditionally trained Muslim scholars that don't hate Jews - how did that happen?

    many of the Suras concerning Jews are monstrously hateful, murderous, terrifying
     
    If you understood the context - you'd understand why this is so. I would hope they would be terrified when God declares war on those that plotted to help the enemies of His Prophet (pbuh) - you expect Him to deliver them ice cream from the heavens?
    "It is He who expelled from their habitations the unbelievers among the People of the Book at the first gathering. You did not think that they would go forth, and they thought that their fortresses would defend them against God; but God came upon them from whence they had not reckoned, and He cast terror into their hearts as they destroyed their houses with their own hands, and the hands of the believers; therefore take heed, you who have eyes!" (59:2)

    It astonishes me that people think God should conduct Himself like a chump - where does this mentality come from? I mean, does He own the universe or is it all about your feelings and safe-spaces. Now who's talking SJW?

    according to Islamic teaching, were Muslims, not Jews
     
    Uh no - they were ethnically Jews, but Muslims. Being a Jew can be an ethnic identity or a religious one. All prophets are Muslim for us - their ethnicity is irrelevant.

    condemned anti-Semitism
     
    This is a major problem because many Jewish groups insist that criticism of Israel is anti-semitic - therefore they want to back us up into a corner. Sorry, we won't play that game. We can oppose Israel without hating on Jews. If you can't see that - it's your problem, not ours.

    Islam and Latin America
     
    O crap! The nightmare convergence!

    "MIAMI — Latinos are one of the fastest growing groups in the Muslim religion."
    http://www.voanews.com/a/latinas-converting-to-islam-for-identity-structure/2488304.html

    they heap insults on a president who belongs to one of the most politically submissive, bullied groups: white men
     
    Yeah - that's not smart.

    The proper metaphor for the relationship between Judaism and Christianity is that of proud parent and progeny.
     
    OMG! You have got to be *****ing me - can you seriously write that with a straight face? Man are you going to get seriously nailed by a boatload of UNZ comments for that one! OK, given that we trace ourselves back to Abraham (pbuh) - is our metaphor one of a proud grandparent and grandkids! Can I call you 'Gramps'??!!

    Peace.

    Which is why practically ever place Islam spread to and kicked out the prevailing Byzantine or Persian or Visigoth, etc. order, your folks thought it was a blessing from God that He raised up the ‘Kingdom of Ismael’

    You seem to have confused Persia with Rome in your enthusiasm for ‘Kingdom of Ishmael’.

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    Hey Bro,

    No - from what I read, they were pretty well treated under the Persians - so much so that they helped the Sassanids conquer Jerusalem from the Byzantines. But then the Persian Emperor was kind of worried about them going autonomous and revolting so he banned them from the city - no?

    And then of course the Byzantines struck back.

    But if your point is that they were treated better under Persia than Byzantium - for sure, no arguments there.

    Wa salaam.
  83. @iffen
    Christianity is because it is a hobby religion

    Whoa! Who are you and what have you done with Talha?

    Hey iffen,

    It didn’t used to be nor does it have to be – it lost its gusto somewhere along the line. In the West it is this way, in places like Russia – they still have something with more depth.

    Peace.

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    I am still in disbelief. After all your stout, respectful and reasoned defenses of your religion you let them pull you down to their level. To disparage an entire religion and millions of devout and sincere people by calling Christianity a hobby is beyond the pale. You are just one of them now, Talha.
  84. @joe webb
    Did Trump say, "I am the least anti-semitic person you will .." Syntax suggests some wiggle-room there.

    Then there is the charge that the other adult sons of Trump have indulged in some questionable tweets or something. I have not followed this but if anybody knows about it, I would like to hear about it.

    Then, I attempted to post on Karlin's new article and was greeted with YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO POST HERE.

    Oriental Despotism rears its non-white head. The only writer here to BAN me.

    BTW, apropos of Israel, I am reading The Arabists by Robert Kaplan , about 1995 or so. Great read for those who want to understand how the jews took over the State Dept from the pro-Arab Arabists. It's a page turner.

    Joe Webb

    [Great read for those who want to understand how the jews took over the State Dept from the pro-Arab Arabists]

    Arabists at State are a troublesome legacy, compliments of old Whitehall, which to this day retains a strong whiff of T.E. Lawrence and Faisal. Whatever influence Jews exercise on State, serves only to keep the vessel seaworthy.

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    • Replies: @Sean
    Most of the world (and many Israelis like Ehud Barak) back creation of a West Bank Arab state It is fear of isolation and not Arabists that make the US go along with it. Unless you oppose creation of such a Palestinian state in principle you have no substantive difference with Arabists. This is the problem with the Lobby , they don't dare advocate for what they really need.
    , @joe webb
    you gotta be jew crazy. The jews/israel are the single largest danger to the whole world. They take biologism too far. They take Darwin too far. They take tribalism too far. They take hatred too far. Fact is, every single nationalistic principle..or dynamic, they take too far, way too far.

    Kaplan's book, The Arabists, provide so many comments on the Jew character, and some on the Arab as well.....everybody should read it. And Kaplan served in the IDF, was For the Iraq war, and then regretted it. And has lots of elisions in the book, from my point of view. Yet, he appears to admit that his east European cousins ...Israelies, are , shall we say, pushy, etc.

    Like do you call Israel Established, or do you call the whole jewish caper a Conquest? That sort of thing

    I particularly enjoyed this one, page 170: a Murphy, a Foreign Service guy talks about getting screwed by an arab newspaper in a story..." I made the mistake to trying to reason with them..."

    Then another: James Moore, Jr. remarked that Arabic "opens the door to an empty room." p. 176 F (I assigned letters to the photo pages)

    The comments on Israeli character are typical of the sorts of things we say here on Unz. My personal experience with Israelis is that they are more objective than American Jews. Lots of funny ones that UR folks would enjoy....dozens. Of course funny flies out the window wth the Jew Nukes raining down.

    This book should be on your shelf for providing great history , almost month by month for almost a century. Important....the Protestant Misionary Altruism, white guy altruism...and their anti-semitism...very important to understand this. These were the white pioneering missionaries starting about 1920 who morphed into theArabists who tried to keep the jews Out. But as Kaplan keeps saying, they did not understand American political realities, in other words, Jews and their Amen Corner Enablers/voters.

    The Arabs loved us until the jews showed up. that is the fundamental truth. The missionaries gave up on trying to convert anybody, and built schools and hospitals...more White altruism, and the Arabs were grateful . That was then.

    by the way, to another comment , these missionaries were not Lawrences of Araby, per another post that dismisses the missionary white boys and girls who lived in Araby for generations.
    Joe Webb

    , @joe webb
    Sammy boy...'troublesome" for who? rhymes with pew. jw
  85. @RSDB
    That's not a very effective summary.

    Nevertheless, going through the commandments, I see Muslims keep (ideally) pretty much all of them save possibly the reservation of the Sabbath day (at least according to these people) . Obviously the sense of some of the commandments (e.g. graven images) is taken differently.

    Hey RSDB,

    We definitely don’t have them all at one place at a time such that they are the 10 Commandments. They are scattered throughout the Qur’an. These set of verses happened to have the most all in a set.

    As far as the Sabbath – ours is today, Friday. And there is a whole chapter dedicated to giving the command to attend the congregational prayer. We don’t do the whole take all of the day in rest thing. We are only obliged to attend the prayer.

    As far as graven images – we are pretty solid about that, you won’t find icons in our mosques.

    Peace.

    Bonus: Kid you not, at the congregational prayer today I saw an older Muslim gentleman that looked just like Pope Francis (minus about 15 pounds)!

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  86. @ThreeCranes
    See? Endless religious bickering. This is what we get for letting both Muslims and Jews into this country. And our forefathers tried to stave this off, to warn us, but in the name of tolerance and droning the Mantra of "diversity" the dim-witted half of the country supports ever more immigration of imbecilic religious fanatics. We created the wealth and now you pillage it. The gates hang on their hinges. All along the watchtower the lookout sleeps at his post.

    The number of major Abrahamic religions a society should have is 0 to 1… with 0 being the ideal.

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  87. hi ilana

    is it true that the girl in the pic in your story is an israeli special forces golani highly trained arab speaking shin bet mossad unit 8100 krug marav yom tov chop suzi assassin.

    because

    she has great eyes.and that rifle looks familar.definitely put a smile on my dial

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  88. @iffen
    Which is why practically ever place Islam spread to and kicked out the prevailing Byzantine or Persian or Visigoth, etc. order, your folks thought it was a blessing from God that He raised up the ‘Kingdom of Ismael’:

    This was only good for the 1st couple of centuries, after that, and continuing until today, the persecution, expulsion and extermination of Jews and Christians in most Muslim lands have given us the result that with few exceptions they have been cleansed of Jews and Christians.

    many Jewish groups insist that criticism of Israel is anti-semitic

    This is true, but does not change the fact that most criticism of Israel is based upon anti-Semitism.

    Hey iffen,

    Couple of points:

    This was only good for the 1st couple of centuries

    It is really only the practice of the first generation that guides us. Whatever the Abbasids, or Ottomans, or Mughals, etc. did that is in line with that is good – otherwise, rejected.

    persecution

    This depends on the definition. If someone considers persecution or oppression such that it is anytime that the minority is not treated on parity with the majority, then guilty as charged. But, Islam does not give up the keys to its civilizational capital to religious minorities. If one demands that we prove our awesomeness by having Jews on our Federal Supreme Courts like they sit in the US, no sale.

    Now if in the US, Muslims were, say, stripped of their rights to vote in federal elections or a clause was put into the Constitution that Muslims couldn’t become president – that wouldn’t be treating us equally, but I would hardly call that oppressive – maybe SJWs would.

    expulsion and extermination of Jews and Christians in most Muslim lands have given us the result that with few exceptions they have been cleansed of Jews and Christians.

    This doesn’t sound right to me. In every honest academic work of history that I’ve come across, I’ve not seen this to be the case. Rather, the main reason why there aren’t that many Jews and Christians is that they slowly converted over the centuries; whether sincerely or to get out of jizya or for social mobility. Now that is the main reason, though for sure there were certain episodes of expulsion and extermination (some being worse than others – and you forgot unofficial episodes of mob violence when some would convert out of fear) – no doubt about that. Many of the worst ones came fairly late in the game when the nationalism bug started biting everyone including the Turks and Arabs.

    Peace.

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    "Islam does not give up the keys to its civilizational capital to religious minorities."

    Really? No kidding?
  89. @survey-of-disinfo

    Which is why practically ever place Islam spread to and kicked out the prevailing Byzantine or Persian or Visigoth, etc. order, your folks thought it was a blessing from God that He raised up the ‘Kingdom of Ismael’
     
    You seem to have confused Persia with Rome in your enthusiasm for 'Kingdom of Ishmael'.

    Hey Bro,

    No – from what I read, they were pretty well treated under the Persians – so much so that they helped the Sassanids conquer Jerusalem from the Byzantines. But then the Persian Emperor was kind of worried about them going autonomous and revolting so he banned them from the city – no?

    And then of course the Byzantines struck back.

    But if your point is that they were treated better under Persia than Byzantium – for sure, no arguments there.

    Wa salaam.

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  90. @Andrei Martyanov

    The Thirty Year’s War, makes our current Sunni-Shiah conflict look like a picnic
     
    You mean Iran-Iraq War which had a serious religious (Sunni-Shia) underpinning and saw millions of people slaughtered in an industrial warfare? Yes, I heard of Thirty Years War.

    C’mon Smoothie – let’s be real man. The estimates of the slaughter for the Thirty Years War is around 1/6 or 1/7 of total Western European population – with some areas of Germany coming in at 1/3. It was a slaughterhouse; Iran-Iraq is nowhere close in proportion (here are the various estimates, most don’t even reach a million)…
    http://necrometrics.com/20c300k.htm#Iran-Iraq

    …and totally didn’t have the same level of Sunni-Shiah consciousness. You would have had a better chance making the case between the Safavid and Ottoman wars which basically parallel a lot of the wars between France and Britain.

    Peace.

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    • Replies: @KenH

    The estimates of the slaughter for the Thirty Years War is around 1/6 or 1/7 of total Western European population – with some areas of Germany coming in at 1/3.
     
    You are right and I've seen some estimates that the Thirty Years War possibly claimed 40% or perhaps even 50% of Germany's population. Either way it was a bloodletting unlike anything Europe or the world has ever seen in terms of a religious conflict. We Europeans tend to go big or go home!

    I would agree that the current conflict in the Middle East doesn't even come close and the Shias and Sunnis have a long, long way to go to catch up although some elements in both camps seem eager to do so.

    , @Andrei Martyanov

    most don’t even reach a million)…
     
    Well, it depends on a source. Realistically it exceeds million and, possibly, much more. But the issue here is not this:

    1. Thirty Year's War 1618-1648.
    2. Iran-Iraq War 1980-1988.

    Does a number 362 (years) say anything? I just want to forestall this ever popular "argument" of "Islam is a young religion". It, certainly, is not. And when I see today how these people slaughter each-other with a great passion, hey, I am so primitive--I just look at the outcomes. This is not to say that I agree with Ilana's point, nor do I condone Israel's behavior--far from it. But Muslims do have a reputation, so to speak, and it is not a good one, neocons and other Jews monopolizing (hogging) the problem with Islam regardless. I am not going to lie, the moment I hear Sharia my hand automatically reaches to my Ruger or, hands, to 12-gauge Mossberg, depending on the circumstances.
  91. @Sam Shama
    [Great read for those who want to understand how the jews took over the State Dept from the pro-Arab Arabists]

    Arabists at State are a troublesome legacy, compliments of old Whitehall, which to this day retains a strong whiff of T.E. Lawrence and Faisal. Whatever influence Jews exercise on State, serves only to keep the vessel seaworthy.

    Most of the world (and many Israelis like Ehud Barak) back creation of a West Bank Arab state It is fear of isolation and not Arabists that make the US go along with it. Unless you oppose creation of such a Palestinian state in principle you have no substantive difference with Arabists. This is the problem with the Lobby , they don’t dare advocate for what they really need.

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    It depends on the shape, character, and powers of that Arab state. I think all manner of false, inauthentic and ultimately destructive impositions on Israel and the region will be resolved under the Trump proposals. You are right in your assessment of the lobby's tentative advocacy and where that falls short.
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    Interesting article or shall I say moral and intellectual failures of a columnist who is entering the phase of an apoplexy in her dimwitted brain because of the facts that she is being forced to see a new situation- all around her emergence of newly erected roadblocks to DNA based interests that until now has been guaranteed perpetual consistent instant success . So what she does ? Find a scapegoat that she could blame and divert attention from the thievery that her ilk is engaged to .

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  93. @geokat62

    All these groups, certainly the Jewish ones, are silent about the existential elephant in the room that truly imperils Jewish survival...
     
    Truth be told, the real elephant in the room, is not Islam, it is The Lobby, as it threatens the survival of Western societies (see Barbara Lerner Spectre, Founding Director of Paideia Stockholm)

    https://youtu.be/85BKDj_1vVU

    The same sorts say nothing publicly about the waves of Muslims washing up on Europe's shores.
     
    Not true. The Clarion Project (formerly The Clarion Fund) has done tremendous work warning The Dumb Goy about the impeding Muslim immigration disaster through a trilogy of films: Obsession, The Third Jihad, and Iranium. As you well know, along with these films, the islamophobia propagated by Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller inspired Anders Breivik to go on a killing spree and kill over 70 of his fellow Norwegians.

    The violent assaults on Jews and their property in Europe and Canada are almost exclusively the handiwork of an ancient hatred, nurtured within Islamic countries, arrivals from which President Trump is trying to curb.
     
    I thought it was the Muslims who welcomed the Jews who were thrown out after the Spanish Inquisition in 1492. Didn't the Ottoman Empire serve as a refuge for Jewish refugees from Spanish empire? Comparatively speaking, didn't the Jews fare much better living in Muslim rather than Christian lands (was the Shoah perpetrated by Muslims or Christians)?

    “It is virtually impossible to be reared in classical Islam and not be educated to hate Jews—based on a literalist reading of the Koran, where many of the Suras concerning Jews are monstrously hateful, murderous, terrifying,...
     
    It was many years ago, so I could be wrong, but I don't recall reading any hateful passages in the Koran regarding The People of The Book. Perhaps you could furnish a few examples?

    Led by these characters—the Ann Frank Center, the obnoxious Anti-Defamation League—Jews have managed to cast themselves as just another faction in the noisy, multicultural mob that is America.
     
    According to Prof. MacDonald, The Lobby did not confine itself to being merely a part of the cast. It was the entire Film Studio that put on this production, furnishing everything from the Producers, Directors, screenwriters, music, wardrobe, makeup, etc. (see Culture of Critique)

    Based on the foregoing, I would offer the following title for your next piece:

    "The Lobby, Not Islam, Is the Elephant In the Room, Threatening Western-Goy Survival"

    Good stuff Geo,

    inspired Anders Breivik to go on a killing spree and kill over 70 of his fellow Norwegians

    Yeah – when I heard about that, I was like – what the ****??!! So you want to save the White Christian Europeans by killing a bunch of their own kids – makes perfect sense!

    That Geller and Spencer stuff should come with a mental health warning.

    Maybe Palestinians need to start throwing rocks at each other pronto – the Holy Land shall be ours, my brothas!!!

    Reminds me of this clip from ‘Four Lions’:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAqIFtlH_hA

    Peace.

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  94. @Mark Green
    What a manipulating writer and dishonest article. All Ilana Mercer ever thinks about is the always-imperiled safety of HER precious people, never the reverse. Her hyper-ethnocentrism is both insulting and small-minded.

    Isn't it about time that gentiles kept running tabs on the threats, humiliations, and genuine security issues posed by Jews upon them?

    What about the impact of Jewish activism on all of humanity, Ilana? It's bone-crushing!

    Shall we do a body count, starting with the Russian revolution?

    And how about Israel's nuclear arsenal?

    Why isn't Israel's undeclared array of nuclear WMD not considered a critical security threat to the entire region? After all, it is.

    Can we talk about it?--or is doing so 'anti-Semitic'?

    And how about what holy Jewish scripture says about the goyim? Not very flattering.

    In fact, it's worse than what the Koran says about Jews!

    Why shouldn't the outrage go both ways?

    Jewish disdain similarly applies to Christians. To countless religious Jews, Christ is an imposter who deserves to be "boiled in excrement". Not very neighborly, eh?

    What should we do about this, Ms. Mercer?

    Jewish fundamentalism is often shocking, revolting, and threatening. But don't hold your breath waiting for Mercer to come clean about these theological embarrassments or the countless double-standards that benefit her tribe and her adopted apartheid welfare state. Pursuing the truth just isn't her shtick.

    Indeed, like so many of her co-ethnics, Mercer's present strategy is to turn Christians against Muslims. This works out rather nicely for Israel. Just look at the smoldering ruins of Iraq, Palestine, Libya and Syria; not to mention the ongoing economic strangulation of Iran. These are crypto-Zionist operations. And if Israel gets its way, there will be more.

    Ilana Mercer is a hasbara operative posing as a Zio-libertarian. But don't be fooled. She and her brethren work tirelessly to divide-up Israel's ever-expanding list of victims, dupes and adversaries. She's presently spinning a political yarn using a hip, American, libertarian smokescreen. But it's 100% kosher. If it wasn't, she would be complaining about how US-based Israelis use American power to steer Washington into expensive and unnecessary wars of aggression that benefit the Zionist state. This huge and obvious oversight permeates Mercer's entire 'libertarian' ideology. I'm amazed that Unz even publishes her.

    Thus, you will never hear a comment or position from Mercer that exalts the libertarian principle of non-aggression. Why? It undermines the long-term Zionist project which requires expansion, conquest and war--as well as uninterrupted military succor from Uncle Sam.

    These deceptions explain why ruinous invasions and foreign-funded revolts are being orchestrated all over the globe by pro-Zionists of various ideological persuasions. And among the cheerleaders is Zio-libertarian, Ilana Mercer.

    'Why do those evil anti-Semites hate us so?'

    Oy vey.

    At the same time, the Zionist state continues to siphon off resources and wealth from innumerable peoples as it sets the groundwork for additional conflict.

    No genuine libertarian could support such wasteful, violent, and lethal state action. In fact, any honest libertarian would necessarily denounce Israel for its hyper-sonic levels of interference, aggression and parasitism upon the American republic. Not Mercer.

    She'd rather bellyache about Palestinian rock-throwers, stateless Iraqi paupers, and other threats to 'Jewish survival'. This is tribalism, not libertarianism.

    Indeed, if she was a libertarian, Mercer would caution us Americans to mind our own business and stop waging non-essential wars against distant Muslim states. This is what Ron Paul has been doing for decades. Not Mercer.

    In fact, Mercer's living happily and securely in her kosher, socialist apartheid state, kvetching about 'anti-Semitism' and the poor treatment of Jews at the hands of evil Muslims. Might it be that her entire political scenario is a fraud?--and that the very reverse is more accurate?

    It is the vast, unchecked power of international Jewry--not Islam--that undermines American security and global stability.

    Mr. Green,

    This is what Ron Paul has been doing for decades. Not Mercer.

    Bam! This right there is the key – when someone touts their Libertarian credentials, put them up next to Dr. Paul (the ‘Gold Standard’ – he’d love that moniker) and you’ll know how far diluted they are.

    Peace.

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    ... when someone touts their Libertarian credentials, put them up next to Dr. Paul (the ‘Gold Standard’ – he’d love that moniker) and you’ll know how far diluted they are.
     
    When I read her claim of being Libertarian, I almost gagged. She and her ilk know nothing and pervert everything.

    Diluted and deluded.
    , @frankie p
    I like it Talha, "the gold standard". Ron would love it, you're right!

    It is Dr. Paul's firm adherence to the principles of non-agression that made him such a target for organized Jewish money when he ran for president. Mark Green's comments on the insidious influence of organized Jewry on American government are always the epitome of accuracy. Dr. Paul had to be smeared; let's dig up some ancient periodicals that Ron was affiliated with that also gave voice to some criticism of Jews and label him an anti-semite. How long will this wash with the American populace? How long before someone stands up and says "I criticize what I see as a threat to the United States. If you call it anti-semitism, I wear it as a badge of honor, as it protects my country." The house of cards will quickly crumble as Americans digest that.

    Frankie P
    , @Sam Shama
    Ron Paul, good-hearted man that he most likely is, proposes a system of economics which would guarantee time-travel back to the period of the Emperor Diocletian. Some might like it I suppose.
  95. 1. Jews always lie…
    2. Jews always double-down…
    3. Jews always project

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    Don't say "always" because in addition to what you listed they also tend to be hyperbolic . Its never always.

    Anyway its a matriarchal society isn't it?
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    “It is virtually impossible to be reared in classical Islam and not be educated to hate Jews—based on a literalist reading of the Koran, where many of the Suras concerning Jews are monstrously hateful, murderous, terrifying, as well as the literature of the Sunnah. These texts also regard Jews as a spiritually fraudulent entity—all the prophets and great figures of the Hebrew Bible, according to Islamic teaching, were Muslims, not Jews [historical identity theft, I …”

    Did it lead to asking for conversion, forceful marriages and slavery of Jews and Christian in medieval times? Now the basic idea that those prophets ( Jewish Hebrew Bible prophets ) were Muslims had been established in 7th century, should it not move to natural conclusion that the Jews and Christians living in 7th century should convert to muslim?

    Now fast froward to Germany of 20th century – Nazi Germany is entire Germany and should pay the reparations to those affected and would do that perpetually . Claiming everybody from Germany and Vuchi France or Poland was responsible for the holocaust was the first step Next step was to incriminate everybody from that decade as well as those born after and make them pay , force them into some kind of bonded labor for generations for crimes that they have nothing to do with . Instead of calling them prophets and express admiration and gratitude and acknowledge the richness of the Hebrew contributions, Muslims should have done same as the Jews would later do to Germany and should have demanded and should have made them pay for the atrocious murderous impulses with which they tried to kill the 7th century movement and its prophets.

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  97. @Gabriel M
    Talha has taken some time off from his 200,000 word magnum opus entitled Why it is totally normal for geriatric sex addicts to donk nine year olds to comment on the favourite subject of every moderate Muslim, namely don't look at me, look at the Jews!. Let's check out the results.

    OK – please send massive memos to your folks to stop the influx now – they are in the thick of advocating it
     
    Oops! Basic comprehension fail, that's literally the point of her article.

    (and also setting about the causes of it by advocating destabilizing Muslim countries)
     
    Getting better, more on topic. IT'S ALL THEIR FAULT OUT COUNTRIES SUCK SO MUCH!!!!!!.

    Doh – I guess we’ll have to deal with more illegal settlements now that y’all need to go to Israel for your safe spaces, eh?
     
    Well I do believe you are the drollest person in your chair. A moderate Muslim thinks it's funny that Jews have to flee to Israel. Let's check out what moderate Muslims think is funny.

    Halimi was found naked, handcuffed, and bound with nylon rope to a tree about 40 yards (37 metres) inside a woodlot near a railway station, just outside Paris, on February 13, 2006. It was reported that more than 80% of his body had been burned with acid, as well as gasoline (possibly to destroy evidence of his captors' DNA), to the point that he was difficult to recognize. He had severe contusions, blood blisters, and hematomas covering most of his body (to the point that he was more blue than flesh-colored), multiple broken bones, one ear and one big toe missing. Most of his penis appeared to have been burned off, and his testicles were described as " like blackened oranges." Halimi died en route to a hospital.
     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Affair_of_the_Gang_of_Barbarians


    ROFLs!

    Both actually. But Muslim nations are signatories to international protocols – the upholding of which are moral imperatives since we are not allowed to commit treachery. All of our actions of resistance or change must abide by the legal framework we have signed up to.

    Which incidentally allows Palestinians the right to resist, with force, illegal occupation.
     

    1) The Oslo accords explicitly forbid this. Good job, that in reality Muslims are commanded to commit treachery.

    2) The PLO was founded three years before the existence of an occupation, illegal or otherwise. Good job that Muslims don't have to abide by silly kaffir concepts like linear time.

    Hey Gabriel,

    that’s literally the point of her article

    Well, she doesn’t say that explicitly, but sure, I’ll give you that – I can see how that is implied.

    IT’S ALL THEIR FAULT OUT COUNTRIES SUCK SO MUCH!!!!!!.

    No, actually my point was; our countries suck – stop making them suckier.

    For the record, Ms. Mercer has actually called out Neocons before, but not so much when interests with Israel coincide.

    A moderate Muslim thinks it’s funny that Jews have to flee to Israel.

    Neither do I think it’s funny Jews have to flee, nor do I think it’s funny that they will end up in more illegal settlements in the WB. But I can see a cynical setup when I see it – that’s what I was calling her out on.

    The_Affair_of_the_Gang_of_Barbarians and Beslan

    Wait, how are these people ‘moderate’ exactly? I mean, should I say Baruch Goldstein was a moderate or the guy who whacked Rabin?

    These are the words I stated about Beslan – in a comment directed at you:
    “For the record, I believe Beslan was the most horrific terrorist action ever to take place because it was a deliberate targeting of children – utterly deplorable.”
    http://www.unz.com/article/review-against-our-better-judgment/?highlight=beslan#comment-1650355

    Man, you are desperate. Now I have a way, way more nuanced view of Jews than you have of Muslims so I don’t really care all that much, where you try to sport your moral superiority or try to label me. I have dealt with honest rational Jews and dishonest ones – the conversations are very different; one is engagement, one is juvenile. Jews like you have one priority, Israel, all other considerations, morals, tactics, etc. are secondary – you sacrifice the truth at your altar: “Hear O God; our Lord is Israel!”

    I can see it in your desperate mudslinging again and again.

    Fortunately, I know of a time when Jews and Muslims didn’t have this antagonism, and my perspective is guided by the history in Muslim lands – not what happened to Jews in Europe. There was a time when honest, academic Jews were actually the ones trying to open Western minds to the cultural heritage of Islam and build bridges:
    “In the development of Islamic studies in European and, later, American universities, Jews, and in particular Jews of Orthodox background and education, play an altogether disproportionate role…Jewish scholars did much to bring these achievements of the Islamic genius to Western notice and inculcate in the Western mind a less prejudiced and more sympathetic understanding of Islam. There had been many biographies of Muhammad in Europe; Weil’s was the first that was free from the prejudice and polemic, based on a profound yet critical knowledge of the Arabic sources, and informed by a sympathetic understanding of Muslim belief and piety.”
    Islam in History: Ideas, People, and Events in the Middle East

    And they wrote books like this:
    “In Knowledge Triumphant, Franz Rosenthal observes that the Islamic civilization is one that is essentially characterized by knowledge (‘ilm), for ‘ilm is one of those concepts that have dominated Islam and given Muslim civilization its distinctive shape and complexion.”
    https://www.amazon.com/Knowledge-Triumphant-Concept-Medieval-Classics/dp/9004153861

    Now, there are still some honest Jewish academics exist (and I quote from them) but many of the opportunistic pseudo-intellectuals that cheer lead for Israel couldn’t be bothered about the truth. Good thing is, I see people waking up to the truth the harder you try.

    As far as Oslo – please:
    It’s now clear: the Oslo peace accords were wrecked by Netanyahu’s bad faith by Avi Shlaim
    I thought the peace accords 20 years ago could work, but Israel used them as cover for its colonial project in Palestine”
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/12/oslo-israel-reneged-colonial-palestine

    Peace.

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    "Jewish scholars did much to bring these achievements of the Islamic genius to Western notice and inculcate in the Western mind a less prejudiced and more sympathetic understanding of Islam. "

    This was at a different stage of Jewish ascent in the West. Their main objective was to criticize Christianity by inflating achievements of Islam. This approach is not valid anymore from the point of Jewish interest. Since then the vectors have been reversed. Now the sons and daughters of those scholars will paint diametrically opposite picture. Christianity was defeated and is now harmless to Jewish cause, so it can be used against Islam.
    , @Gabriel M

    Well, she doesn’t say that explicitly, but sure, I’ll give you that – I can see how that is implied.
     
    It is not implied, it is the article's central argument. Learn to read.

    Neither do I think it’s funny Jews have to flee, nor do I think it’s funny that they will end up in more illegal settlements in the WB. But I can see a cynical setup when I see it
     
    Again, Mr. "Moderate Muslim" can't help but spit out paranoid conspiracy theories. You know it would be super easy for Muslims to foil this cynical set-up: don't act like mindless savages in every country that is generous to take you in.

    Two Jewish men have been attacked with a hacksaw in Paris after allegedly being called “dirty Jews” in a volley of anti-Semitic abuse.
     
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/jewish-men-attacked-paris-hacksaw-fingers-anti-semitic-bondy-france-police-kippas-a7599516.html

    Ooops!!!

    Wait, how are these people ‘moderate’ exactly? I mean, should I say Baruch Goldstein was a moderate or the guy who whacked Rabin?
     
    Again, learn to read. I wasn't calling them moderate (though as far as I know, they weren't extremists) I was mocking you, Mr. Moderate Muslim once again trying to make a big joke out of your faith's worldwide savagery.

    “In Knowledge Triumphant, Franz Rosenthal observes that the Islamic civilization is one that is essentially characterized by knowledge blah blah blah
     
    Is there some giant database of this stuff you go to? Who the hell is Franz Rosenthal? Whoever he is, he should visit an optician.

    “It’s now clear: the Oslo peace accords were wrecked by Netanyahu’s bad faith by Avi Shlaim
     
    Oh, look an Communist bumwit Jew. Who cites Communist bumwit Jews as authorities? Oh yeah, "Moderate Muslims".

    I can see it in your desperate mudslinging again and again.
     
    Here's some more.


    Although some victims willingly had sex with their abusers, others were physically assaulted and raped by as many as five men at a time,[1] or obliged to having sex with "several men in a day, several times a week".[7] The victims, plied with drugs and alcohol, were passed around friends and family,[15] and taken to various locations in the north of England, including Rochdale, Oldham, Nelson, Bradford and Leeds.[1]

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochdale_child_sex_abuse_ring

    Or as a Moderate Muslim would say ... ROFLS/something about the 12th century/ a Jew built a loft conversion on the wrong side of an arbitrary armistice line/hey look a a squirrel!

    Peace.
  98. @Talha
    Hey iffen,

    Couple of points:

    This was only good for the 1st couple of centuries
     
    It is really only the practice of the first generation that guides us. Whatever the Abbasids, or Ottomans, or Mughals, etc. did that is in line with that is good - otherwise, rejected.

    persecution
     
    This depends on the definition. If someone considers persecution or oppression such that it is anytime that the minority is not treated on parity with the majority, then guilty as charged. But, Islam does not give up the keys to its civilizational capital to religious minorities. If one demands that we prove our awesomeness by having Jews on our Federal Supreme Courts like they sit in the US, no sale.

    Now if in the US, Muslims were, say, stripped of their rights to vote in federal elections or a clause was put into the Constitution that Muslims couldn't become president - that wouldn't be treating us equally, but I would hardly call that oppressive - maybe SJWs would.

    expulsion and extermination of Jews and Christians in most Muslim lands have given us the result that with few exceptions they have been cleansed of Jews and Christians.
     
    This doesn't sound right to me. In every honest academic work of history that I've come across, I've not seen this to be the case. Rather, the main reason why there aren't that many Jews and Christians is that they slowly converted over the centuries; whether sincerely or to get out of jizya or for social mobility. Now that is the main reason, though for sure there were certain episodes of expulsion and extermination (some being worse than others - and you forgot unofficial episodes of mob violence when some would convert out of fear) - no doubt about that. Many of the worst ones came fairly late in the game when the nationalism bug started biting everyone including the Turks and Arabs.

    Peace.

    “Islam does not give up the keys to its civilizational capital to religious minorities.”

    Really? No kidding?

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  99. @MEexpert

    The mentality that somehow the world owes the self-proclaimed chosen everything from material wealth to endless adoration.
     
    One question for the chosen ones. If you are the chosen ones, why has your God abandoned you? Think about it.

    One question for the chosen ones. If you are the chosen ones, why has your God abandoned you? Think about it.

    It’s long overdue to recognize that Mercer’s brand of Judaism, otherwise known as Zionism, is a false G-d, as are all other forms of nationalism, especially the colonial forms. Zionism itself has abandoned the G-d of the Jews and makes a mockery of the concept.

    The real elephant in the room and the biggest threat to Jewish survival is the Zio-threat. It’s a complete abomination and perversion of Jewish values.

    Does this sound like Mercer’s G-d?

    …the God who appears to me is the comforter of the poor and their avenger in world history. This avenger of the poor is the God I love.

    -Hermann Cohen, The Concept of Religion in the System of Philosophy (1915)

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  100. @Talha
    Mr. Green,

    This is what Ron Paul has been doing for decades. Not Mercer.
     
    Bam! This right there is the key - when someone touts their Libertarian credentials, put them up next to Dr. Paul (the 'Gold Standard' - he'd love that moniker) and you'll know how far diluted they are.

    Peace.

    … when someone touts their Libertarian credentials, put them up next to Dr. Paul (the ‘Gold Standard’ – he’d love that moniker) and you’ll know how far diluted they are.

    When I read her claim of being Libertarian, I almost gagged. She and her ilk know nothing and pervert everything.

    Diluted and deluded.

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  101. @Talha
    Hey Gabriel,

    that’s literally the point of her article
     
    Well, she doesn't say that explicitly, but sure, I'll give you that - I can see how that is implied.

    IT’S ALL THEIR FAULT OUT COUNTRIES SUCK SO MUCH!!!!!!.
     
    No, actually my point was; our countries suck - stop making them suckier.

    For the record, Ms. Mercer has actually called out Neocons before, but not so much when interests with Israel coincide.


    A moderate Muslim thinks it’s funny that Jews have to flee to Israel.
     
    Neither do I think it's funny Jews have to flee, nor do I think it's funny that they will end up in more illegal settlements in the WB. But I can see a cynical setup when I see it - that's what I was calling her out on.

    The_Affair_of_the_Gang_of_Barbarians and Beslan
     
    Wait, how are these people 'moderate' exactly? I mean, should I say Baruch Goldstein was a moderate or the guy who whacked Rabin?

    These are the words I stated about Beslan - in a comment directed at you:
    "For the record, I believe Beslan was the most horrific terrorist action ever to take place because it was a deliberate targeting of children – utterly deplorable."
    http://www.unz.com/article/review-against-our-better-judgment/?highlight=beslan#comment-1650355

    Man, you are desperate. Now I have a way, way more nuanced view of Jews than you have of Muslims so I don't really care all that much, where you try to sport your moral superiority or try to label me. I have dealt with honest rational Jews and dishonest ones - the conversations are very different; one is engagement, one is juvenile. Jews like you have one priority, Israel, all other considerations, morals, tactics, etc. are secondary - you sacrifice the truth at your altar: "Hear O God; our Lord is Israel!"

    I can see it in your desperate mudslinging again and again.

    Fortunately, I know of a time when Jews and Muslims didn't have this antagonism, and my perspective is guided by the history in Muslim lands - not what happened to Jews in Europe. There was a time when honest, academic Jews were actually the ones trying to open Western minds to the cultural heritage of Islam and build bridges:
    "In the development of Islamic studies in European and, later, American universities, Jews, and in particular Jews of Orthodox background and education, play an altogether disproportionate role...Jewish scholars did much to bring these achievements of the Islamic genius to Western notice and inculcate in the Western mind a less prejudiced and more sympathetic understanding of Islam. There had been many biographies of Muhammad in Europe; Weil's was the first that was free from the prejudice and polemic, based on a profound yet critical knowledge of the Arabic sources, and informed by a sympathetic understanding of Muslim belief and piety."
    Islam in History: Ideas, People, and Events in the Middle East

    And they wrote books like this:
    "In Knowledge Triumphant, Franz Rosenthal observes that the Islamic civilization is one that is essentially characterized by knowledge ('ilm), for 'ilm is one of those concepts that have dominated Islam and given Muslim civilization its distinctive shape and complexion."
    https://www.amazon.com/Knowledge-Triumphant-Concept-Medieval-Classics/dp/9004153861

    Now, there are still some honest Jewish academics exist (and I quote from them) but many of the opportunistic pseudo-intellectuals that cheer lead for Israel couldn't be bothered about the truth. Good thing is, I see people waking up to the truth the harder you try.

    As far as Oslo - please:
    "It's now clear: the Oslo peace accords were wrecked by Netanyahu's bad faith by Avi Shlaim
    I thought the peace accords 20 years ago could work, but Israel used them as cover for its colonial project in Palestine"
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/12/oslo-israel-reneged-colonial-palestine

    Peace.

    “Jewish scholars did much to bring these achievements of the Islamic genius to Western notice and inculcate in the Western mind a less prejudiced and more sympathetic understanding of Islam. ”

    This was at a different stage of Jewish ascent in the West. Their main objective was to criticize Christianity by inflating achievements of Islam. This approach is not valid anymore from the point of Jewish interest. Since then the vectors have been reversed. Now the sons and daughters of those scholars will paint diametrically opposite picture. Christianity was defeated and is now harmless to Jewish cause, so it can be used against Islam.

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    Utu, just need to verify if you're "Jewish." Then we can proceed.
  102. @RobinG
    Sorry! I knew there was a better (focused) copy, couldn't find it before.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNWF9CeoZdE
    Defamation (english)
    [It should been called "The Jewish Psychosis". They're brainwashing these Jewish kids to fear people who are not Jewish, teaching them to hate.]

    RobinG – much thanks for the video!!!

    Peace.

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  103. @Mike Johnson
    1. Jews always lie...
    2. Jews always double-down...
    3. Jews always project

    Don’t say “always” because in addition to what you listed they also tend to be hyperbolic . Its never always.

    Anyway its a matriarchal society isn’t it?

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  104. @Talha
    Hey iffen,

    It didn't used to be nor does it have to be - it lost its gusto somewhere along the line. In the West it is this way, in places like Russia - they still have something with more depth.

    Peace.

    I am still in disbelief. After all your stout, respectful and reasoned defenses of your religion you let them pull you down to their level. To disparage an entire religion and millions of devout and sincere people by calling Christianity a hobby is beyond the pale. You are just one of them now, Talha.

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    Of course it is a hobby in the terms that fit Islam and Middle Eastern assumptions. If you aint murdering people to force them to convert to your religion, then your religion is a hobby to them.
    , @Sam Shama
    I agree; I was surprised. Would've never thought Talha would paint with such a broad brush. Surely, religious fervour is not compulsory to live a spiritual life? Which is what I reckoned Talha meant when he wrote of Christianity having lost its 'gusto'.
    , @Talha
    Hey iffen,

    Some clarification is due; I can see how my words might offend someone unnecessarily. Though the truth hurts, I did not actually mean to single out Christianity in insinuating that it is and has always been merely a hobby religion. As far as I'm concerned, there is a pathology in the West that tries to turn all religions into a hobby - that is the context in which I referenced Christianity. This is not healthy. If one cannot distinguish, neither in attire, language, mannerisms, goal, or lifestyle between the adherent of one religion or another - other than a perfunctory weekly gathering nor can it be bothered as its symbols are removed from the public domain - then the religion has entered hobby status.

    I live in a neighborhood just south of a heavy Jewish area; I can immediately see that some Jews obviously treat their religion like a hobby while some take it very seriously - it is the core of their meaning.

    As far as Christianity as a whole; a religion that once birthed men like Francis of Assisi, inspired the beautiful Gothic cathedrals and helped guide the pens of those that charted Anglo-Saxon law - that is no hobby religion.

    People like Mike and Stonehands know what I'm talking about.

    Peace.
  105. Unbelievable, an article in the Jewish Telegraphic Agency explaining how Jews made up the 5 million Non-Jew deaths as a way to shore up compassion for the 6 million Jews that died…where do the lies end and where does the truth start???  And no wonder that in so many European countries it is against the law to even investigate the official Jewish narrative of the Holocaust.  And what’s most pathetic about it is that the threat that our compassion would extend to non-Jewish victims is enough to make these people admit to this lie…as if its the only lie being told about the Holocaust.

    Per the article:
    The “5 million” has driven Holocaust historians to distraction ever since Wiesenthal started to peddle it in the 1970s. Wiesenthal told the Washington Post in 1979, “I have sought with Jewish leaders not to talk about 6 million Jewish dead, but rather about 11 million civilians dead, including 6 million Jews.”

    Yehuda Bauer, an Israeli Holocaust scholar who chairs the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance, said he warned his friend Wiesenthal, who died in 2005, about spreading the false notion that the Holocaust claimed 11 million victims – 6 million Jews and 5 million non-Jews.
    “I said to him, ‘Simon, you are telling a lie,’” Bauer recalled in an interview Tuesday. “He said, ‘Sometimes you need to do that to get the results for things you think are essential.’”
    Bauer and other historians who knew Wiesenthal said the Nazi hunter told them that he chose the 5 million number carefully: He wanted a number large enough to attract the attention of non-Jews who might not otherwise care about Jewish suffering, but not larger than the actual number of Jews who were murdered in the Holocaust, 6 million.

    http://www.jta.org/2017/01/31/news-opinion/united-states/remember-the-11-million-why-an-inflated-victims-tally-irks-holocaust-historians

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  106. @Talha
    Mr. Green,

    This is what Ron Paul has been doing for decades. Not Mercer.
     
    Bam! This right there is the key - when someone touts their Libertarian credentials, put them up next to Dr. Paul (the 'Gold Standard' - he'd love that moniker) and you'll know how far diluted they are.

    Peace.

    I like it Talha, “the gold standard”. Ron would love it, you’re right!

    It is Dr. Paul’s firm adherence to the principles of non-agression that made him such a target for organized Jewish money when he ran for president. Mark Green’s comments on the insidious influence of organized Jewry on American government are always the epitome of accuracy. Dr. Paul had to be smeared; let’s dig up some ancient periodicals that Ron was affiliated with that also gave voice to some criticism of Jews and label him an anti-semite. How long will this wash with the American populace? How long before someone stands up and says “I criticize what I see as a threat to the United States. If you call it anti-semitism, I wear it as a badge of honor, as it protects my country.” The house of cards will quickly crumble as Americans digest that.

    Frankie P

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  107. The erosion continues – Jewish fascism kicking it up a notch here in the States, soon you’ll be shipped off to jail here in America for denying the Holocaust like people already do in several European countries due to tyrannical Holocaust Denial laws…what kind of historic truth needs laws to protect it, makes you kind of wonder.

    Amazon being asked to stop selling books on Holocaust Denial

    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Amazon-is-asked-to-stop-selling-books-on-Holocaust-denial-482349

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  108. @Chris Mallory
    What difference does it make what Muslims think about Jews or Jews think about Muslims? Neither group belongs in the West and both should be removed back to their Middle Eastern homelands forthwith.

    This I am sure this will and should open your eyes. NOVEMBER 18, 2012 Israel and the U.S. CREATED Hamas, Hezbollah and Al Qaeda

    Creating the Enemies We Now Fight Against. We’ve extensively documented that the U.S. and Israel created Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups in an attempt to fight other enemies.

    http://investmentwatchblog.com/israel-and-the-u-s-created-hamas-hezbollah-and-al-qaeda/

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  109. You cant make this shit up LOL.

    Shadowy Website Creates Blacklist of Pro-Palestinian Activists

    “Established in spring 2015, Canary Mission is a shadowy anonymous website designed to threaten the academic and professional careers of college students and faculty who publicly advocate for Palestinian human rights and an end to Israeli occupation. A cyber-bullying operation, Canary Mission volunteers and staff scour the social media accounts of activists for statements supporting Palestinian rights, which they then use to levy false and misleading accusations that the activists ‘support terrorists’ or ‘are inciting Jew-hatred’ on campuses.

    Canary Mission encourages its circle of followers to attack activists on Twitter, Facebook and other social media, again levying false accusations of anti-Semitism to attempt to tar their reputations. Recently, there have been reports that the organization has also contacted employers and university administrators directly in an effort to punish activists for Palestinian human rights in their professional lives.”

    https://justsayin.online/2016/10/shadowy-website-creates-blacklist-of-pro-palestinian-activists/

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  110. @Sean
    Most of the world (and many Israelis like Ehud Barak) back creation of a West Bank Arab state It is fear of isolation and not Arabists that make the US go along with it. Unless you oppose creation of such a Palestinian state in principle you have no substantive difference with Arabists. This is the problem with the Lobby , they don't dare advocate for what they really need.

    It depends on the shape, character, and powers of that Arab state. I think all manner of false, inauthentic and ultimately destructive impositions on Israel and the region will be resolved under the Trump proposals. You are right in your assessment of the lobby’s tentative advocacy and where that falls short.

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  111. @Talha
    C'mon Smoothie - let's be real man. The estimates of the slaughter for the Thirty Years War is around 1/6 or 1/7 of total Western European population - with some areas of Germany coming in at 1/3. It was a slaughterhouse; Iran-Iraq is nowhere close in proportion (here are the various estimates, most don't even reach a million)...
    http://necrometrics.com/20c300k.htm#Iran-Iraq

    ...and totally didn't have the same level of Sunni-Shiah consciousness. You would have had a better chance making the case between the Safavid and Ottoman wars which basically parallel a lot of the wars between France and Britain.

    Peace.

    The estimates of the slaughter for the Thirty Years War is around 1/6 or 1/7 of total Western European population – with some areas of Germany coming in at 1/3.

    You are right and I’ve seen some estimates that the Thirty Years War possibly claimed 40% or perhaps even 50% of Germany’s population. Either way it was a bloodletting unlike anything Europe or the world has ever seen in terms of a religious conflict. We Europeans tend to go big or go home!

    I would agree that the current conflict in the Middle East doesn’t even come close and the Shias and Sunnis have a long, long way to go to catch up although some elements in both camps seem eager to do so.

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  112. @Talha
    Mr. Green,

    This is what Ron Paul has been doing for decades. Not Mercer.
     
    Bam! This right there is the key - when someone touts their Libertarian credentials, put them up next to Dr. Paul (the 'Gold Standard' - he'd love that moniker) and you'll know how far diluted they are.

    Peace.

    Ron Paul, good-hearted man that he most likely is, proposes a system of economics which would guarantee time-travel back to the period of the Emperor Diocletian. Some might like it I suppose.

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    • Replies: @Talha
    Hey Sam,

    I'll admit, this is not my area of expertise. I'll let the economists hash it out. Though I do know one of the four Sunni schools (I can't recall which one) is absolutely a Libertarian's dream - it advocates no government interference in the economy whatsoever, even in emergencies. The other ones run a spectrum.

    You may not like his economics, but his principles were a sight to behold. He's too old unfortunately and I will miss him when he's gone. America missed a great opportunity - a principled, honest man like that doesn't come but once or twice in a lifetime.

    Peace.
  113. @Anon
    Those Christians happened also to be Jews.

    Meaning what?

    Jewish hatred of Christ and Church did not end as the number of full blooded Jews in the Church began to be negligible.

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  114. @iffen
    I am still in disbelief. After all your stout, respectful and reasoned defenses of your religion you let them pull you down to their level. To disparage an entire religion and millions of devout and sincere people by calling Christianity a hobby is beyond the pale. You are just one of them now, Talha.

    Of course it is a hobby in the terms that fit Islam and Middle Eastern assumptions. If you aint murdering people to force them to convert to your religion, then your religion is a hobby to them.

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  115. @iffen
    I am still in disbelief. After all your stout, respectful and reasoned defenses of your religion you let them pull you down to their level. To disparage an entire religion and millions of devout and sincere people by calling Christianity a hobby is beyond the pale. You are just one of them now, Talha.

    I agree; I was surprised. Would’ve never thought Talha would paint with such a broad brush. Surely, religious fervour is not compulsory to live a spiritual life? Which is what I reckoned Talha meant when he wrote of Christianity having lost its ‘gusto’.

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    I agree; I was surprised. Would’ve never thought Talha would paint with such a broad brush. Surely, religious fervour is not compulsory to live a spiritual life?

    I was shocked by the undisguised contempt for another person’s spirituality.

    His admiration of cathedrals with stained glass windows is instructive. We have already fought our wars over whether God and religion are stained glass windows or not. We don’t need to fight them all over again. Fortunately, after millions were killed, we realized that everyone was willing to die for their religion so we should just let everyone believe as they wish and not kill anyone over it. It is a simple solution, but like many other simple solutions it seems that it took geniuses to come up with it and put it into place. Even so, it only works if enough people buy in.
  116. @Mike Johnson
    "Judeo Christian" is an Oxymoron
     
    Anyone with a genuine Christian faith would recognize that Judaism defined by Cabala and Talmud, is not only the antithesis of Christianity, but also its mortal enemy.

    Whence comes the imaginary camaraderie between Christianity and Judaism? And why are Christians so ignorant - or timid?


    To what degree are Jewish interests antithetical to Christian conservatives?

    It is obvious that American Jews have long been aligned with the Democratic Party. In many ways, the "Jewish community" broadly construed opposes many things that Christian conservatives champion.

    "[T]raditonally[,] ...Jewish voters ...have favored Democrats by 2-to-1 margins."[1]

    This leftward leaning goes back at least to the era of Franklin Roosevelt. "[F]unctioning under the ...aegis of the Democratic party, American Jews fortied their reputation as the most dependably progressive ethnic community in the United States. In 1940, no fewer than 90 percent of their votes went to Roosevelt."[2]

    Despite the rightward orientation of a handful of Jewish king-makers (chiefly 

    Sheldon Adelson,left, but also smaller fry such as Norman Braman, Henry Kravis, Richard Roberts and Mel Sembler, two of whom - by the way, Adelson and Roberts - are said to favor Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker for the [as of this writing] upcoming the 2016 election), "as a group, Jews still endorse the Democratic Party at a rate of around 20 percentage points above most other Americans."[3]

    "Indeed, the Washington Post once estimated that Democratic presidential candidates 'depend on Jewish supporters to supply as much as 60 percent of the money raised from private sources. Other estimates are lower, but contributions from Jewish Americans form a substantial share - between 20 and 50 percent - of the contributions made to the Democratic party and its presidential candidates."[4]

    "Jews provided at least half the money donated to the DNC [Democratic National Committee] in the 1998 and 2000 election cycles."[5]

    Additionally, "as a matter of comparison they [Jews] are generally found to be the most liberal white ethnoreligious group in the United States."[6]

    To illustrate: At least one benchmark indicates that religious Jews are more likely to be atheists than people of other faiths. This is so prevalent that one journalist writes: "Atheism is entrenched in American Judaism. In researching their book American Grace, authors Robert Putnam and David Campbell found that half of all American Jews doubt God's existence. In other groups, that number is between 10 and 15 percent."[7]

    Within "rightwing Christian" circles, atheism is lamented. But there is a deafening silence from these supposedly concerned "Conservatives" when it comes to atheism infused American Judaism. As one synagogue-attendee, Maxim Schrogin, put it: "Atheism and Judaism are not contradictory, so to have an atheist in a Jewish congregation isn't an issue or a challenge or a problem."[8]

    There is a conspicuous case-study. Many Christians bemoan the removal of prayer from public schools. What many people do not know, however, is how this removal came about. It was the result of the landmark Engel v. Vitale, 370 U.S. 421 (1962) case, in which the U.S. Supreme Court legislated from the bench, decreeing it "unconstitutional" for public schools to adopt or encourage the recitation of "official" prayers in public schools.

    The genesis of the case was this: "In the fall of 1958, Steven Engel visited his son's elementary school classroom in Hyde Park, New York. Engel, a Jew, was upset to see his son's hands clasped and his head bent in prayer. He told his son that this was 'not the way we say prayers.'"[9]

    As George Lincoln Rockwell observed in the late 1960s: "If Israel is a Jewish country and has the right to be Jewish, if Ghana is a black country and has the right to be black, why don't we have the right to keep a white country white and Christian? Why, how long do you think you people would last if you went over there to Israel and started campaigning in the Jewish schools in Israel against singing Jewish songs? And yet they're over here campaigning against us singing Christmas carols in ours. ...You can't sing Christmas carols in schools any more. They won't tolerate it, but we must."[10]...



    In another recent news item, we read about the activist goings on of one Michael "Mikey" Weinstein. "...A Pentagon ban on proselytizing has left some conservative activists fearful that Christian soldiers -- and even military chaplains -- could face court martial for sharing their faith.

    "The Defense Department said this week that proselytizing -- trying to get someone to change faiths -- is banned. Its statement does not define proselytizing or address the role of military chaplains. It also does not rule out court martial for those whose share their faith too aggressively....[13, 14]


    Additional evidence of Jewish left-leaning can be detected from the fact that the overwhelming majority of Jews - "religious" or "secular" - support abortion[15] and "same sex marriage",[16] both of which are opposed by many "religious Conservatives."

    It is simply a fact that, historically, Jews have been at the forefront of liberalizing and activist politics.

    SOCIALISM  

     Another important facet of the larger discussion contrasting "Conservative" and "Jewish interests" must therefore be to note the historical point that Jews have long advanced socialism, communism and other radical, leftist ideologies.[17],[18]

    From Moses Hess, Karl Marx and Ferdinand Lassalle to Leon Trotsky (born Bronstein) and Vladimir Lenin (scion of the Jewish Blank family), Communist-Bolshevism was a decidedly Jewish - and anti-Christian/anti-Russian peasant - movement.[19]

    Combined with the fact, established centuries ago by intrepid researchers like Gustaf Dalman, Johann Eisenmenger, Alexander McCaul, Bernhard Pick and Johann Wagenseil and admitted by honest scholars such as Theodor Keim and Princeton University's Peter Schaefer, that the Jewish Talmud holds that Jesus Christ was a blasphemer who was not only rightly accused and justly executed, but also - and outrageously - asserts such filthy scurrilities as that the Blessed Virgin Mary was a whore[20] and that Jesus was justly executed for practicing magic and leading Israel astray[21] and is now being punished in hell by being suspended in boiling human excrement;[22] it's fairly compelling, as Michael Hoffman has argued at length, that the label "Judeo-Christian" is an oxymoron.

    This is not a novel idea. Saint Paul indicated: "the Jews ...killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets and also drove us out. They displease God and are hostile to everyone...".[23]

    Nevertheless, Christians continue to labor under the mistaken belief that Jews have some sort of robust kinship with Christians. The counterpoint can scarcely be better made than it was by Saint John the Evangelist, who wrote in 1 John 2:22-23: "Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist - denying the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also."

    According to John, writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, any person who denies Jesus also has neither the Son nor the Father. Therefore, on Biblical authority, it seems that whatever God the Jews proclaim, it simply cannot be the Father of Jesus - or else the New Testament is gravely mistaken.

    As to the idea that (supposed) Jewish pedigree is salvific [leading to salvation] in and of itself, Jesus himself dismissed this when He said: "And do not think you can say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham as our father.' I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham." (Matthew 3:9).

    In fact, more strongly, Jesus told the Pharisees - the forerunners of the rabbis: "You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies."[24]

    As Saint Augustine of Hippo once reportedly said: "Judaism, since Christ, is a corruption; indeed Judas is the image of the Jewish people; their understanding of the Scriptures is carnal; they bear the guilt for the death of the Saviour, for through their fathers they killed the Christ."[25]








    https://www.henrymakow.com/2015/09/Christians-so-naive.html#sthash.fR87aPFG.dpuf

    Thanks for the detailed rebuttal of the entire idea of “Judeo-Christian values”, a term and idea that has long bothered me because of its inherent dissidence. I have copied your comments for future reference and in order to clarify the issue to those still floating around in ignorance.

    Frankie P

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  117. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Talha
    C'mon Smoothie - let's be real man. The estimates of the slaughter for the Thirty Years War is around 1/6 or 1/7 of total Western European population - with some areas of Germany coming in at 1/3. It was a slaughterhouse; Iran-Iraq is nowhere close in proportion (here are the various estimates, most don't even reach a million)...
    http://necrometrics.com/20c300k.htm#Iran-Iraq

    ...and totally didn't have the same level of Sunni-Shiah consciousness. You would have had a better chance making the case between the Safavid and Ottoman wars which basically parallel a lot of the wars between France and Britain.

    Peace.

    most don’t even reach a million)…

    Well, it depends on a source. Realistically it exceeds million and, possibly, much more. But the issue here is not this:

    1. Thirty Year’s War 1618-1648.
    2. Iran-Iraq War 1980-1988.

    Does a number 362 (years) say anything? I just want to forestall this ever popular “argument” of “Islam is a young religion”. It, certainly, is not. And when I see today how these people slaughter each-other with a great passion, hey, I am so primitive–I just look at the outcomes. This is not to say that I agree with Ilana’s point, nor do I condone Israel’s behavior–far from it. But Muslims do have a reputation, so to speak, and it is not a good one, neocons and other Jews monopolizing (hogging) the problem with Islam regardless. I am not going to lie, the moment I hear Sharia my hand automatically reaches to my Ruger or, hands, to 12-gauge Mossberg, depending on the circumstances.

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    Hey Smoothie,

    But Muslims do have a reputation, so to speak, and it is not a good one
     
    Yup - we have to turn the ship around on this one big time - and no, I don't mean as part of some PR spin. We have to do some serious soul-searching as to why the extremist strain has been able to get this far out of control. A balance has to be struck; we don't want to neuter our religion, but we need to get our youth on board with the tradition - ASAP. It is literally killing us.

    the moment I hear Sharia my hand automatically reaches to my Ruger
     
    I can understand that - makes total sense. Too many Muslims have a blood-thirsty mob mentality going on right now - there is a serious lack of mercy in their hearts and calm and reasoned thinking in their minds. They want to chop off hands - that is the problem - I find this frightening as well. For the traditional scholars, the more hands they save the better - until we get this mental and spiritual state back, we don't deserve to be able to implement the Shariah.

    Peace.
  118. @RobinG
    Sorry! I knew there was a better (focused) copy, couldn't find it before.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNWF9CeoZdE
    Defamation (english)
    [It should been called "The Jewish Psychosis". They're brainwashing these Jewish kids to fear people who are not Jewish, teaching them to hate.]

    Robin,
    Take a rest from pushing Foxman as the Provost of all Jews. He talks about what he thinks is important and it’s a free country, isn’t it? How many Jewish kids do you know? Or have spoken to who fear others? No Jewish kid I know – and I am fairly sure I know a few more than you do – live in fear of others.

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    Take a rest? Maybe you should take a powder. It certainly is a free country, and we're talking about what we think is important. In this case, that ADL drums up allegations of anti-Jewishness so they can justify their fundraising appeals.

    But Foxman was obviously not the subject of my comment. The film depicts the Israeli indoctrination of their youth, and it's not fear, it's hate. Most of us could care less about the Jewish/Israeli psychosis. Pathetic, but their problem. What rankles us is the Israel Lobby hijacking US foreign policy.

    You wrote, "I think all manner of false, inauthentic and ultimately destructive impositions on Israel and the region will be resolved...." I'm glad I saw that. Impositions on Israel????? Now I know why some of the guys here give you such a hard time. Maybe I'm a little slow, but it's over now.
    , @Art
    How many Jewish kids do you know? Or have spoken to who fear others? No Jewish kid I know – and I am fairly sure I know a few more than you do – live in fear of others.

    If you and yours do not fear - why are you here - why the hasbara legions - why the instant whining about WWII - why the massive Israeli army - why 200 nukes - why the coercion of congress - why the takeover of the media et al?

    Your actions speak louder then your words – you Jews are in a constant defensive mode - your words belie your true feelings of fear – your confidence is a mile wide, but an inch thick.

    As you traumatize your kids with fear, you pump them with a hateful vile bravado – an intolerable bravado you grownup Jews are just too stupid to give up.

    Peace --- Art

    p.s. Shame on the Jew for what they do to their youth – all that potential forever wallowing in hate. So sad!
  119. @Mike Johnson
    Ms. Ilana Jewberg,
    If Muslims hate you, they arent the only ones and your pathetic attempt at aligning yourself with white people through your supposed support for Trump looks pathetic and desperate. Your people are shapeshifting frontrunners and at the root of most evils in the modern world.

    Actually, in the American world, Blaxx are the biggest hindrance to progress, peace and tranquility..

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  120. @jacques sheete

    It’s annoying.
     
    You wanna know what's also annoying?

    Here's an introductory list.:

    Constant kvetching about victimhood.

    Whining about "anti-Semitism."

    Relentless hysteria regarding "existential threats."

    Blaming Muslims for whatever ails the special tribe.

    The mentality that somehow the world owes the self-proclaimed chosen everything from material wealth to endless adoration.

    I'd go on,but that would be annoying too.

    I’d go on, but that would be annoying too.

    Yes, I agree with you Sheete One, yet somehow, I am annoyed. I kid because I care.

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  121. Once, perhaps quarterly, I check in on Ilana’s essays to see if her command of world history–especially that of her own people–has improved. I quit reading her articles early on when I discovered it was so weak.

    Her libertarian association with the late doctor Szasz has not helped her POV, for the same reason: her command of American history is also weak.

    The only thing I find amusing in her essays is her command of the English language.

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  122. @Talha
    Hey Agent76,

    I looked up Kasim Hafeez, and came across this article:
    http://www.timesofisrael.com/from-rage-in-the-mosque-to-tears-at-the-wailing-wall/

    And it has this quote from him which just sounds very, very suspicious:
    “I don’t feel my story is that unusual. It’s just my life,” he says as he caresses a pendant with the Star of David that he bought at the end of his 2007 trip. “I hold this every time I miss Israel, which is every day. I know it sounds strange, but when I’m here I feel as though I have come home.”

    I mean something is just so abjectly groveling in that statement - it doesn't sound normal. I don't know if you can trust him, the Israelis basically pay his wages:
    http://thelawfareproject.org/fellows-2/

    I can tell you this; I personally know 8 qualified and certified muftis - not 'know of', I actually know them on a personal basis. I have been taught by 3 of them on various medieval texts on Islamic jurisprudence and belief.

    In exactly none of the cases did they ever teach hatred for Jews, ever - I don't even recall a single line coming from their mouths that could be construed as hatred against Jews. They would speak up about Israeli oppression, but they never preached hatred. And these men are some of the most devout individuals I know. I have no clue what kind of 'devout' Muslims Mr. Hafeez hung out with. Their description strikes me as run of the mill Salafi/Wahhabi extremists.

    Peace.

    Talha’s the name, Virtue Signaling is my game.

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  123. Why is there so much attention paid to the wellbeing of Jews, both in an out of Israel? They’re just another minority. When was the last time policy was affected by what feels threatening to Chinese-Americans?

    Besides, neither Muslims or Neo-Nazis are anywhere close to enacting Holocaust 2.0. It’s all rhetoric used for political football.

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    Chinese-American is an oxymoron. Chinese had nothing to do with American or Western history. Your issues don't count.
  124. @gwynedd1
    Too many Jews have a blind spot on Zionism. Zionists love when Jews move to Israel. The problem is Jews often like were they live. So Zionists see opportunity when Jews have problems abroad. They certainly jumped all over Ukraine and the rise of Islamic antisemitism in France to "call them home".


    If you don't understand the Zionist/antisemitic alliance , and you are a Jew, may your god help you because you will need it.

    They certainly jumped all over Ukraine and the rise of Islamic antisemitism in France to “call them home”.

    Good takes and accurate. And as the process rolls forward here, Jewish media and courts are heartily encouraging the same Muslim inflows here in the U.S. that turned Europe into an unsafe harbor for Jews. And so, is Israel going to “call” American Jewry home to Israel? Where to put them all? Ah, more settlements. Let the record show that Jews shit on the White Christian men that wanted to protect safety, ESPECIALLY for the Jews we’ve been pressed to protect because Holocaust: Never Forget. Well, I don’t forget.

    But I’m god damned sick and tired of being shit on for trying to prevent the next mass exodus to Israel because of Muslim inflows into the United States that are damaging to the Jewish interest that were encouraged by, wait for it: Jewish Media and Courts. Read James Baldwin, read Dick Gregory. Read Jesse Jackson, Ralph Abernathy. They all HATED Jews, saw Jews as the source of all of the problems of Blacks. But Jews have seen nothing yet here in the States. One would think American Jewry communicates with Israeli Jewry, formerly of Western Europe. The United States is a big place, maybe American Jews thing they’re safe. This is the final harbor for them, they better start protecting it. Time to stop with the virtue-signaling toward Muslims that would drive Jews out. Fight back or else.

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  125. @Anon
    Christianity is a Jewish heresy. Attila the Hen cannot provide you with correct theological answers regarding Islam or Christanity. He is a heretic. Christianity ended with Islam. Under orthodox Judaism, any “Jews” claiming to be or practice Christianity are under a heretical curse.

    See what I did there?

    I see, so let’s get a couple things out of the way first. World history can be summed up in 2 words: IQ. Caucasians have the highest IQs, then Asians, last are the blacks. I am a Caucasian Christian woman. What are you?

    Talha is a Pakistani, so he is Asian and inferior to a Caucasian woman. Average IQ in Pakistan is 84. Talha is a little brighter because he said he is in the USA on some kind of work visa (but that could be just another form of affirmative action).

    Christianity is a religion best suited for the Western mind, soul. However, I do respect European pagan beliefs because many of them actually prefigure Christianity.

    Christianity is the fulfillment of Old Testament Judaism (read Isiah). Modern day “Judaism” is composed of the Talmud, Mishnah and rabbi teachings that have very little to do with Old Testament Judaism. So modern day Judaism cannot say anything about Christianity.

    The West has been Christian for 2000 years and that’s why I defend it. Most people need religion and Christianity is best for the West. Asians/blacks don’t have Western minds and souls so for them it’s useless. But if they want to be Christian, then they must have their own churches.

    Today’s Jews are also very mixed racially. Many Jews marry blacks/Asians so there is no connection to the West for them. And, again, if they say they practice “Judaism,” they are not aware of Old Testament Judaism. The Hassids keep the Leviticus laws of diet to separate themselves as much as possible, but their race–mixing destroys them even more. Also, Jews and Asians had nothing to do with the West.

    Christianity is a unique religion and can only be practiced by people with an IQ to live by its rules. But since I am an orthodox Christian, anything that impugns or denies Christ’s divinity, is a heresy. That is Islam.

    Next, take a look at Islamic countries. Most Muslims are Asians/blacks with low IQs. Their horrible countries are a testament to their IQs and Islamic beliefs.

    So, my perspective is Christian but also IQ and Talha fails to meet the standards.

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    All joking aside, based on the commenting here, Talha sounds a lot smarter than you buddy ;). But I get it, he's just inferior cuz he is LOL, I think you really showed him bro!
  126. @Talha
    Aww don't be like that, sis! I guess we can turn to you for the correct theological understanding of Islam, right? I mean, because...well, because.

    That's fine, so we're a Christian heresy - so was Arianism and a whole host of other non-Chalcedonian groups in the past. So what is Orthodox and what is heterodox anyway? Those that are most ascendant? Those who write history?

    Don't look now sis, but probably within your life time, Islam will be the most prominent Christian heresy the world has ever known - we can then claim your doctrine as the heresy. Door swings both ways.

    Logic - it's good for what ails ya'.

    Peace.

    Hey bro, remember you’re Pakistani (average Paki IQ 84). I will admit you have a couple more points though. But you still are inferior to a Christian Caucasian woman.

    Most Muslims are Asians/blacks the races with the lowest IQs.

    There’s a new sheriff in town – Trump.

    The times they are a changin’.

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    Pull your panties up, dude, you sound like you're getting moist waiting for Trump to come save your day just because you feel stupid from being outwitted by someone smarter than you. ;)
    , @MEexpert

    Hey bro, remember you’re Pakistani (average Paki IQ 84). I will admit you have a couple more points though. But you still are inferior to a Christian Caucasian woman.
     
    You mean like Hillary Clinton and Nancy Pelosi.
    , @Talha
    Hey da' hen,

    But you still are inferior to a Christian Caucasian woman.
     
    This is true, I look horrible in high heels.

    Now knock off the teasing, I told you I'm already married to a White woman and my spiritual teacher won't let me take a second.

    Question: Why are all the High IQ countries the ones least likely to perpetuate their genetics?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unoMMru4-c0

    Peace.

  127. As some here at Unz will happily attest to, I often tend to cite the two truth-telling Profs. Mearsheimer and Walt’s groundbreaking work, The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy.

    A few of my detractors have accused me of being anti-Semitic for citing this work. The Lobby has even accused the two truth-telling Profs. of being anti-Semites for having the temerity to write such a book.

    But thanks to the courageous efforts of Philip Weiss, it has now come to light that M&W’s analysis on The Lobby was actually preceded by an “eminent Jewish scholar” named Nathan Glazer. Glazer had written an essay, American Jews and Israel: The Last Support, over 40 years ago that, strangely enough, came to the same conclusion as M&W – i.e., instead of being an asset, The Lobby is a liability to the US.

    Enjoy!

    Israel’s dependence on Jewish lobby’s pressure will cause hostility to U.S. Jews, Nathan Glazer warned in 1976

    Israel is becoming more and more isolated in the world, so it depends on one friend, the United States. But supporting Israel is not in America’s interests. In fact, Israel is a strategic liability for the U.S. That makes American Jewish influence the ultimate pillar of Israel’s survival. And that pressure comes at a considerable cost: American Jews will inevitably be exposed to hostility from non-Jews. Therefore, American Jews must press Israel for a declaration in exchange for wielding our influence: Israel will return to the 1967 lines in return for Arab recognition.

    That’s a blunt and realistic assessment of the role, and risks, of the Israel lobby, right? And here is the amazing thing about the argument: the eminent Jewish scholar Nathan Glazer made it more than 40 years ago! The Harvard sociologist most famous for co-authorship of Beyond the Melting Pot, Glazer stated these ideas in very much those words in an essay in a dissident Jewish publication in 1976.

    I lately came across Glazer’s essay, titled “American Jews and Israel: The Last Support,” in the New York Public Library. I typed it up. You can read the bulk of the essay below, followed by my commentary.

    First the context. A crisis for Jewish supporters of Israel came in 1973, after the U.S. was compelled to airlift arms to Israel during the Yom Kippur War. On the right, Norman Podhoretz and Irving Kristol argued that American Jews should abandon the Democratic Party because it was dovish, and Israel depended on a hawkish American foreign policy. But on the left, the dissident group Breira was born, opposed to Israel’s militarism and occupation.

    Though Nathan Glazer was a New York boy who came out of the famous neoconservative cell at City College of New York, he has always been a free-thinker (See James Traub’s profile); and he thought that Israel needed to make peace. Breira only lasted a few years, before the Jewish establishment crushed it. But Glazer wrote his piece for the Breira publication, Interchange, in November 1976, when he was 54.

    “American Jews and Israel: the last support,” by Nathan Glazer (with elisions marked by …):

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    History has so arranged matters that the Jews of Israel and the Jews of the United States are more closely linked and more desperately linked than they ever thought possible. According to the theories of Zionism, and until some time after the state of Israel was created, it was believed that Israel would serve as a cultural center for world Jewry, would revitalize Jewish education, culture, and religion in the diaspora, and –in the more political formulations of Zionism—would serve as a refuge for Jews and a supporter of Jewish interests in the world. It was expected that the Jews of the United States and other countries of the Diaspora would provide financial support for the upbuilding of Israel. In measure, things have worked out as expected. What was not expected, was that events would so develop that the United States would end up the last support for Israel, and that American Jews would thereby become crucial for the Jews of Israel.

    What has brought this situation to pass is the progressive isolation of the State of Israel in the world. We must look back twenty five years to realize how far Israel has fallen in world support. At its birth, both superpowers, the United States and USSR, supported it. Most of the countries of the world agreed it should come into existence, should be legitimate as a state, should be a member of the United Nations.

    All this is past. The cluster of the democracies in the world maintain relations with Israel and will speak for it on occasion in international forums. A scattering of other nations—principally in Latin America—maintain relations. But only one nation will on occasion speak forcefully for Israel. More significantly, only one nation will supply Israel with sophisticated arms, and can be depended on to resupply it in case of another war.

    There are various explanations which are advanced for the consistent American support for Israel. What makes the issue murky is to define the set of influences that, in a multi-ethnic democracy that happens to be a world power and the leader of an alliance of democracies, play on the making of foreign policy decisions. While the question of who is in the command position is not unimportant, it is only one factor in a set of influences. It is the complex of influences, this and how we interpret them, that leads to discrepancies in how we rate the role of American Jews in maintaining American policy on its present course.

    One explanation that is often argued to explain American support for Israel is that it is in American interests, broadly conceived, to maintain America’s support for Israel. I doubt that is true. It is clearly not to the material interests of the U.S., which are so often thought by the Left to affect American foreign policy, to continue the strong support of Israel. The Arab market is much larger than the Israeli. American business has a substantial share of the market, but undoubtedly it would have a larger share were it not for the strong connection between the United States and Israel.

    It is also strongly argued that American security interests dictate the Israeli tie. The argument is hard to understand. The basic posture in the Middle East is that the United States tries to resist and slow the advance of Soviet influence in that area. It has two allies in this endeavor—Iran and Saudi Arabia—and is developing influence in Egypt. It is not inconceivable that the ruler of Iran, perhaps of Saudi Arabia, will be replaced by those who are more sympathetic to Russia. Such a change in Israeli is inconceivable. Israel is more constant in that respect, but it is also very small, provides no bases for the United States, limits the degree to which Middle East allies will adhere to us, produces constant hostility in our relations to states running from Algeria to Iraq.

    American military men have often been pro-Israel because it is so effective militarily. In this respect, it can play a role in various strategic considerations. But when one considers the larger strategic picture, one suspects the commitment to Israel must be seen as an overall liability.

    If it is not American material interests, not strategic interests, what then dictates the tie to Israel? Two things, one more tenuous, the other rather concrete. The more tenuous basis of the tie is the basic commitment of many Americans and American foreign policy to democracy, or, if you will, their opposition to Communism. This commitment has been the central pillar of American postwar foreign policy, and Israel has been the beneficiary.

    At the present moment, we are engaged in the United States in a confused and serious struggle in which this American commitment to democracy is being undermined by analyses—generally from the liberal and left part of the political spectrum—which assert that concern for democracy has played no role in American foreign policy. Secondly, it is being undermined by the opposite argument that democracy should play no role in American foreign policy. After South Vietnam the abhorrence of any activist and interventionist foreign and military policy is understandable. It is not popular with new men in politics who have no recollection of the forging of the great postwar measures and alliances to restrain Communism and protect democracy. The fact is that Communism increasingly fails to arouse a moral reaction; those who take a moral view of it are seen as troublesome and troublemakers […]

    All I am saying is that one central feature of this policy, opposition to Communism in its aspect as a denial of freedom and liberty, is now under attack, and it is just this feature of American foreign policy that should not be abandoned […] If this central feature is given up, then one reason for American support of Israel would disappear.

    The second major pillar of American support for Israel seems firmer. It is American Jews. History has so arranged things that it is the only Jewish community that basically counts for the defense of Israel. American Jews are placed in a key position. But I believe this position is often misunderstood.

    It is misunderstood in the United States where men as informed and important as the head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and a former vice president have ridiculously exaggerated notions of Jewish influence. It is misunderstood in Israel, where the power of American Jews is exaggerated, and the conditions which set a limit to the power are not understood.

    Power is not something wielded in a vacuum. There are limits to the role any ethnic group may play in affecting American foreign policy. It should be recalled that we have gone to war twice against Germany despite the fact that Germans in the United States are four or five times as numerous as Jews, and we have gone to war against Italy, even though there are more Italians in the United States than Jews. An American ethnic group is benignly allowed to exercise its influence in defense of the interests of its homeland only as long as these do not conflict with what are seen to be larger interests. American Jews have power only because their fellow citizens are friendly to their exercise of this power. They can become less friendly to this exercise. They can indeed become hostile to it.

    Thus, American Jews can raise considerable sums of money for Israel, on the basis of tax exemption for charity, though this money, used to absorb refugees, and for health and welfare services, aids at least in part to permit Israel to use other funds for arms. American Jews unabashedly lobby for pro-Israel measures with Congress, and make it politically uncomfortable to be against Israel and even take an “evenhanded” position. The political figure who does will be subject to much pressure and name-calling, some of it quite unfair. But as I have said, power must be seen in context. The context has been that it is safe for American Jews to do what they do. Political leaders have not resented the pressure much because it has not cost them much to support Israel. There is after all no substantial countervailing power. Insofar as Americans have opinions, they overwhelmingly support Israel.

    Thus, I believe that those visiting Israelis who go away from Congresspeople convinced that they have nothing to fear and that American Jews need only keep up the pressure are wrong. There are three factors which are undermining American popular support for Israel and are increasing its costliness. First is that it has become costly financially. Until the 1973 war, Israel needed no substantial military credits or grants from the United States. Its own resources sufficed, along with overseas aid from Jews. Since then, first the replacement of arms destroyed in that war, and then the escalation of the arms race against infinitely more wealthy opponents have required heavy grants and credits, over $2 billion a year. This is an enormous sum to go to one small country, when it is realized that foreign aid of all kinds is unpopular in the U.S., and that this amount is almost half of all that the U.S budgets for foreign aid. This has already had political consequences. Congresspeople—some—have begun to question it, newspapers have begun to question it. Some Congresspeople have resisted appropriating these sums. Jewish organizations have tried to increase pressure on them, which has aroused their hostility of the lobby for Israel.

    The second factor which is undermining American popular support for Israel is the shift in the way in which the American mass media –perhaps we should say the shift in the underlying realities of the situation. But let us separate image and reality for a moment. The image until 1973 was that Israel was ready to negotiate and talk with the Arabs, but the Arabs are intransigent and would not talk to Israel. This view has been reversed. Sadat appears – and is presented as moderate. All he wants back is his territories. Israelis are presented as intransigent and obdurate. One certainly finds sympathy for King Hussein. One may even find sympathy for Syria. All they want back is their territories. The Palestinian refugees have always had sympathy. They have much more now. One cannot underestimate the effect of front-page maps in the New York Times—there have been two recently—showing what looks like a dense mass of Jewish settlement in occupied Arab territory, or the influence of newspaper and television coverage of disorders on the West Bank. The images are reminiscent of Southern state troopers beating blacks – well-equipped soldiers grabbing young boys and girls. I do not suggest there is any intent in this. It is the nature of the media to focus in on the moment of violence when the soldiers grab the civilian, not the lengthly [sic] preceding period of taunts and rock-throwing.

    The third element undermining American popular support is the same element that in the end may undermine American diplomatic and military support—the Arabs are strong, they are numerous, they are wealthy, they are clearly here to stay, while Israel… well, it requires endless effort to stay in the same place. People get tired.

    If the present situation continues, popular support for Israel will weaken. Jewish pressure then on American policy becomes more costly—to Jews. Even now, of course, this pressure is not costless. A favor given in one area means one can deny a favor in another.

    But what if there was a different Israeli policy? Would such a change reduce the developing pressures on American Jews from their countrymen to limit their uncategorical support? Could American Jews support a different policy more effectively, and with less threat to their position?

    I fear that by asking these questions I will be interpreted as saying that because American Jews may find their position uncomfortable they should moderate their support for Israel, and press Israel against its better judgment, to undertake policies that may increase the risk of another holocaust. This is not what I am saying at all. The danger to which Israel is exposed pales any possible discomfort for American Jews. But that is my position, and neither other Americans nor American Jews will see it that way. Despite the fact that Jews have had it very good in the United States, there is among them an everpresent and underlying concern, sometimes fear, that things will change. This is a reality that must be taken into account. Israelis having fought four wars and living under a terrible siege, may have a legitimate disdain for whatever concern American Jews have for their condition, but they cannot ignore it in their calculations.

    Is there a policy that might make it easier for American Jews to continue their unstinting support for Israel, and for the U.S. to accept their arguments? Can we find such a policy that does not increase the danger in which Israel lives, a danger such that one defeat risks annihilation? The argument is often made that “we cannot worry about public relations; since our lives are in danger, we must do whatever protects our security, and cannot risk this for good will.” The situation in the U.S., however, cannot be met by such an argument from the Israelis because the good will in question is not a fringe benefit that one can dispense with: it is the key element in Israeli defense, for without it, American military arms will flow more slowly or will be delayed in an emergency. Israel needs American good will as much as it needs American arms. The fact that a different policy may increase danger in one respect must be balanced by the fact that it makes possible the continuation of defense in another.

    I—and others, in Israel, and out—believe there is such a policy that fulfills all these conditions. It is a policy which I suspect most American opinion—perhaps most American Jewish opinion—thought was Israeli policy after the 1967 war, but which in recent years, it has become clear, is less and less Israel’s policy. The policy I have in mind is for Israel to say and mean that all the gains of the 1967 war will be given up for real peace—recognition, open frontiers, trade, guarantees for peace, and for Israel to say it will talk to any parties to the dispute face to face to achieve such a settlement. There are many arguments to be made in favor of such a policy: while most of the world seemed to accept the 1967 frontiers as legitimate (they had, after all, lasted almost 20 years), none of it accepts the present frontiers as permanent; that some of the parties on the Arab side and in time, perhaps most, might be willing to accept the 1967 borders as permanent, but none will ever accept the present frontiers as permanent, or any frontiers that include part of the 1967 conquests; and that Israel needs most of all in the world, peace based on legitimacy.

    While no one can dismiss the argument that the Arabs will never accept anything but the destruction of Israel, the policy proposed here has a safeguard. The return to the 1967 borders is based on actions that the Arab states must take, actions that have been enormously difficult for them to take in the past, but which if they do take now would signify a willingness to say to their people that they must begin to contemplate living with Israel in peace. We should not underestimate the significance of such words. Words principally will be required from the Arab states at this point but what is required in exchange for all the territories are infinitely important words—recognition, acceptance, regular trade and tourist relations, the ending of the boycott, and some of these involve actions as well as words.

    I know the difficulties Israel faces as a democratic state in adopting such a policy, but if this policy is the means by which the support from the U.S. is continued to be assured and peace may ultimately be glimpsed, too, then Israeli leaders must be bold enough to propose it and argue for it with their people. It is playacting for Israel to say in the present juncture we will keep this, and we will need that, and we are not really sure what we can give back. The situation has never existed in which such options were open to Israel: the Arabs would never accept them and no nation in the world would support Israel in changing the 1967 borders.

    To conclude: Israeli security now depends almost entirely on American support, political and military. That support is crucially, though not entirely, dependent on the pressure of American Jews in support of Israel. A policy which American public opinion cannot accept as just is not a policy that the U.S. can continue to uphold; and the efforts of American Jews to uphold American support for it will then also weaken. The present course is clearly dangerous to Israel’s survival; the alternative offers some hope, first and at the least, for an important public relations advantage today—not unimportant in a democracy—but also—and this I admit is more doubtful—for an ultimate settlement in the future.

    A few comments:

    I don’t think there is a more frank and candid description of the role of the Israel lobby to be found at that stage of its existence. Notice there is no bullshit about Christian Zionism being Israel’s pillar, or George Washington and Abraham Lincoln wanting the return to Jerusalem, as Zionism’s defenders claim today, when there is a whole propaganda industry dedicated to denying what Glazer states baldly: Israel depends on American Jews, because it’s not in American material or strategic interests to support it.

    Just what Nathan Glazer said in 1976, Stephen Walt and John Mearsheimer, two non-Jewish scholars, said 30 years later in the London Review of Books. They got smeared as anti-Semites for telling the truth about the pro-Israel Jewish community’s influence and the neoconservative impetus for the Iraq war. Though they were read in the highest offices of government, and ignited the Israel lobby debate, which continues at the margins of the mainstream to this day– with a yearly conference on the matter coming next month in Washington.

    Notice what Glazer got wrong. He said that supporting Israel as it grew progressively isolated was so much against American interests that Jewish pressure would end up undermining the Jewish position in the United States. Not so! American Jewish support only got stronger for 40 years, Breira was pushed off stage (in part through the offices of young ideologue Wolf I. Blitzer), and Israel kept erasing the 1967 lines and getting more and more isolated. But American stayed at its side. Glazer says Israeli Jews are wrong to believe that the U.S. can be pushed around; but maybe they aren’t. That is precisely what Benjamin Netanyahu said in his famous hot-mic moment in 2002: The U.S. can be easily moved. And the war against radical Islam is only cementing the bond.

    Why was Glazer so wrong? As I have insisted in all discussions of the Israel lobby, the lobby’s success cannot be disentwined from the rise of Jews into the establishment. Glazer was writing at a time when Alan Dershowitz had angrily threatened to leave Harvard Law School unless a Jew was finally named dean. Glazer and Dershowitz could not have imagined the degree of Jewish inclusion that was to follow the 70s, with Jews at the heads of global industries from finance to education to Hollywood, and in leading positions in government and media, including three Jews on the Supreme Court. The US establishment came to rely on the Jewish presence; and part of the deal was deference to the Israel lobby.

    That deal may well be unraveling as we speak. So Nathan Glazer’s words are prescient after all.

    In 2014, Bruce Shipman, the Episcopalian chaplain at Yale, lost his job for writing in a letter to the New York Times saying that Israel’s onslaught on Gaza, which had killed 2200 Palestinians, was fueling anti-semitism around the world; and the best antidote was for “Israel’s patrons abroad to press the government of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu for final-status resolution to the Palestinian question.” Last week the New York Times ran another letter with a very similar message. Roderick Balfour, a descendant of Arthur Balfour, the British foreign secretary who penned the Balfour Declaration, said that Israel’s inability to respect Palestinian rights “coupled with the expansion into Arab territory of the Jewish settlements, are major factors in growing anti-Semitism around the world.”

    Glazer was saying the same thing when he warned that there would be “hostility” toward American Jews unless they put pressure on Israel to announce that it would end the occupation. The great pity is that American Jews have not heeded his advice for 40 years; and the occupation is more solid than ever; and no one who studies the conflict can imagine a peaceful resolution.

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  128. @utu
    "Jewish scholars did much to bring these achievements of the Islamic genius to Western notice and inculcate in the Western mind a less prejudiced and more sympathetic understanding of Islam. "

    This was at a different stage of Jewish ascent in the West. Their main objective was to criticize Christianity by inflating achievements of Islam. This approach is not valid anymore from the point of Jewish interest. Since then the vectors have been reversed. Now the sons and daughters of those scholars will paint diametrically opposite picture. Christianity was defeated and is now harmless to Jewish cause, so it can be used against Islam.

    Utu, just need to verify if you’re “Jewish.” Then we can proceed.

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  129. @MEexpert
    I have come across many ignorant people on the topic of Islam but this author takes the cake. She has no idea what she is talking about. Jews are the cry babies of the human race. They begged God to give them land. He did but they wanted more or they complained that it was not what they wanted. They wanted food from heaven. When they got that, they wanted more. They found one reason or other to cry. Reading the Torah, you would think that they were the most persecuted people even when they had the power. They always cried for more. They own more than half the wealth in the world but they want more. They want compensation for holocaust. They fit the image of a stereotypical Jew sucking the last drop of blood.

    They had Christ killed but they can’t be accused of that because that would be anti-Semitic. They even made the pope apologize for it. They commit atrocities against Palestinians but you can’t talk about it because that would be anti-Semitic. They own Americans so how dare these American talk about Jews. That would be anti-Semitic. I have read the first amendment several times but I cannot find the exception clause, i.e. one has freedom of speech as long as the speech is not against the jews. They have even hijacked the term semite so now it is used exclusively for the Jews. Chuck Schumer is as much a Semite as Jesse Jackson is. Semite refers to the residents of a geographical area not people of a certain religion.

    The same sorts say nothing publicly about the waves of Muslims washing up on Europe’s shores. One wonders if they know this intake doesn’t represent a new Islamic Golden Age.
     
    They didn’t say anything publicly when the waves of Jews washed up to the American shores from Europe.

    These Muslims bring with them the Islam that The Prophet practiced. This Islam does not tolerate Jews.
     
    This comment alone tells me that the author has no idea about what Islam is. She must have learned it from the two of the most famous American “Muslims,” Daniel Pipe and Pamella Geller. The way these two depicts Islam and the prophet, I am surprised there is any Jew left in the world. With the Muslims ruling Middle East and the Europe all the Jews would have been killed by the Jew-hating Muslims. Whatever remained would have been killed by the Christians. But the history tells us that not only Jews were not exterminated but actually thrived under the Muslim rule. They owned businesses even during the time of the prophet.

    Second only to Latinos, the relatively new, roughly 40-year-old Muslim community is the most anti-Semitic community in the U.S. Explained Stephen Steinlight
     
    Notwithstanding the fact that the majority of this Muslim community is itself Semite.

    The proper metaphor for the relationship between Judaism and Christianity is that of proud parent and progeny.
     
    Sorry, the proper metaphor should be the Arrogant Masters and the meek slaves.

    “It is virtually impossible to be reared in classical Islam and not be educated to hate Jews—based on a literalist reading of the Koran, where many of the Suras concerning Jews are monstrously hateful, murderous, terrifying, as well as the literature of the Sunnah.
     
    It is not easy to understand Qur'an by literalist read. People whose tongue is Arabic have spent their life time studying and trying to understand Qur'an. There is nothing that says that a Muslim has to hate Jews. Actually, it says that the Jews and the Christians are the "People of the book." What the Jews don't like about Qur'an is that God describes in detail how the Jews treated the various prophets he sent.

    Even during the Prophet's life time the Jews were treacherous. They would make treaties with the Muslims and at the last minute break them. God condemns this behavior for what it was.

    all the prophets and great figures of the Hebrew Bible, according to Islamic teaching, were Muslims, not Jews
     
    The term Jew did not come into picture until the second millennium so the Prophets could not have been Jews. On the other hand, Muslim means the one who submits to the will of God. All prophets submitted to the will of God and hence they were all Muslims.

    There is an anecdote in Qur'an about the Jews. The Jews of Medinah used to taunt Muslims that they were God's chosen people and that he loves them and they love him. God told the Prophet to tell the Jews that if they loved God so much they should wish for death so that they could meet God. Sadly, there were no takers.

    Agreed!!

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    @Quartermaster
    It is unlikely, in the extreme, that the author will respond to the ravings of an idiot.

    Predictably, at 132 comments and counting, she has yet to respond to anyone.

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  131. @Sam Shama
    Robin,
    Take a rest from pushing Foxman as the Provost of all Jews. He talks about what he thinks is important and it's a free country, isn't it? How many Jewish kids do you know? Or have spoken to who fear others? No Jewish kid I know - and I am fairly sure I know a few more than you do - live in fear of others.

    Take a rest? Maybe you should take a powder. It certainly is a free country, and we’re talking about what we think is important. In this case, that ADL drums up allegations of anti-Jewishness so they can justify their fundraising appeals.

    But Foxman was obviously not the subject of my comment. The film depicts the Israeli indoctrination of their youth, and it’s not fear, it’s hate. Most of us could care less about the Jewish/Israeli psychosis. Pathetic, but their problem. What rankles us is the Israel Lobby hijacking US foreign policy.

    You wrote, “I think all manner of false, inauthentic and ultimately destructive impositions on Israel and the region will be resolved….” I’m glad I saw that. Impositions on Israel????? Now I know why some of the guys here give you such a hard time. Maybe I’m a little slow, but it’s over now.

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  132. The importance of America reclaiming it’s identity protects it from the Jewish experiment it has become where now even absolute truths are questioned. Trump seems to be taking courageous steps forward in this regard through his reversing of the very symbolically significant transgender bathroom law and his controversial no Jew mentioning Holocaust statement. Though I still peg him as a Zionist, he is starting to give me some hope that he may be on to something here. Trump’s attempt to restrengthen the American Christian identity will help protect it somewhat from the moral and constitutional erosion of this nation that the Jews are spearheading for the sake of their tribe and their beloved Israel. From attempting to outlaw boycotts and criticism of Israel to the proxies wars their Neocons wage, they had big plans with Hillary and now at least there is a fighting chance we can avert Jewish subjugation. But if there is one action that Trump can take that could change everything for the better, it would be forcing AIPAC to register as a foreign agent. This would set the foundation for separating American politics from the Zionist cancer that has been eating at it for years. When Robert Kennedy was killed mysteriously by a lone Palestinian, he was in the midst of a fierce battle to force AIPAC’s parent organization ZOA to register as a foreign agent. This was as vicious of a battle with the Zionists as was the one JFK fought against Israel when it was trying to become nuclear and where JFK mysteriously was murdered too. Anyways, after RFK was murdered, the foreign agent issue was never pushed again, setting the path for the foreign infiltration of our government today. This has to be stopped and the timing couldn’t be more perfect, the nation is ready for it and will trust Trump over the media and it will bring into plainview the nature of the beast holding this country hostage. Trump publicizing this fight for the American people to witness would be a game changer.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/pulsemedia.org/2009/08/28/the-kennedys-vs-israels-lobby/amp/

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  133. @attilathehen
    I see, so let's get a couple things out of the way first. World history can be summed up in 2 words: IQ. Caucasians have the highest IQs, then Asians, last are the blacks. I am a Caucasian Christian woman. What are you?

    Talha is a Pakistani, so he is Asian and inferior to a Caucasian woman. Average IQ in Pakistan is 84. Talha is a little brighter because he said he is in the USA on some kind of work visa (but that could be just another form of affirmative action).

    Christianity is a religion best suited for the Western mind, soul. However, I do respect European pagan beliefs because many of them actually prefigure Christianity.

    Christianity is the fulfillment of Old Testament Judaism (read Isiah). Modern day "Judaism" is composed of the Talmud, Mishnah and rabbi teachings that have very little to do with Old Testament Judaism. So modern day Judaism cannot say anything about Christianity.

    The West has been Christian for 2000 years and that's why I defend it. Most people need religion and Christianity is best for the West. Asians/blacks don't have Western minds and souls so for them it's useless. But if they want to be Christian, then they must have their own churches.

    Today's Jews are also very mixed racially. Many Jews marry blacks/Asians so there is no connection to the West for them. And, again, if they say they practice "Judaism," they are not aware of Old Testament Judaism. The Hassids keep the Leviticus laws of diet to separate themselves as much as possible, but their race--mixing destroys them even more. Also, Jews and Asians had nothing to do with the West.

    Christianity is a unique religion and can only be practiced by people with an IQ to live by its rules. But since I am an orthodox Christian, anything that impugns or denies Christ's divinity, is a heresy. That is Islam.


    Next, take a look at Islamic countries. Most Muslims are Asians/blacks with low IQs. Their horrible countries are a testament to their IQs and Islamic beliefs.

    So, my perspective is Christian but also IQ and Talha fails to meet the standards.

    All joking aside, based on the commenting here, Talha sounds a lot smarter than you buddy ;). But I get it, he’s just inferior cuz he is LOL, I think you really showed him bro!

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  134. @attilathehen
    Hey bro, remember you're Pakistani (average Paki IQ 84). I will admit you have a couple more points though. But you still are inferior to a Christian Caucasian woman.

    Most Muslims are Asians/blacks the races with the lowest IQs.

    There's a new sheriff in town - Trump.

    The times they are a changin'.

    Pull your panties up, dude, you sound like you’re getting moist waiting for Trump to come save your day just because you feel stupid from being outwitted by someone smarter than you. ;)

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    Your degeneracy is showing. You are Tahlas white knight. Are you Jewish, involved with Asians, a Hilhag grrl? I'll wait for Tahla to reply. It's a discussion between him and me. When you do something brave, like burn a Koran among Muslims, let me know. Two castratos against one girl, and you still can't defeat me.
  135. @Jason Liu
    Why is there so much attention paid to the wellbeing of Jews, both in an out of Israel? They're just another minority. When was the last time policy was affected by what feels threatening to Chinese-Americans?

    Besides, neither Muslims or Neo-Nazis are anywhere close to enacting Holocaust 2.0. It's all rhetoric used for political football.

    Chinese-American is an oxymoron. Chinese had nothing to do with American or Western history. Your issues don’t count.

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  136. I am sickened by the compulsion of some American Jews to force President Donald Trump to convulse over Jewish angst.

    There is reason and just cause for this compulsion.

    The US Jews are apoplectic about Trump because he says “America First.”

    The emotion they feel is an authentic fear, built on inescapable personal “guilt.” They themselves are NOT “America First” – they know in their mind that they are traitors. They know that they are first loyal to the Jew tribe first and then to Israel. Anyone who reminds them of their traitor-ship is exposing them and will be feared and trashed. They must purge those words out of American culture.

    Does Trump realize that when he says “America First” that a Jew’s gut turns upside down – that the Jew must face his big lie – his big loyalty lie? I don’t think he has a clue.

    Jews are compelled to be convulsive boobs when it comes to Jew tribal matters. As children, they are terrorized into thinking that the whole world hates them – they do not have a normal childhood where neighborliness for humanity is taught. They are taught to always fear – they can never matriculate into full human-ship – they must always be apart from humanity – thus the craziness – very sad!

    Peace — Art

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  137. @Mark Green
    What a manipulating writer and dishonest article. All Ilana Mercer ever thinks about is the always-imperiled safety of HER precious people, never the reverse. Her hyper-ethnocentrism is both insulting and small-minded.

    Isn't it about time that gentiles kept running tabs on the threats, humiliations, and genuine security issues posed by Jews upon them?

    What about the impact of Jewish activism on all of humanity, Ilana? It's bone-crushing!

    Shall we do a body count, starting with the Russian revolution?

    And how about Israel's nuclear arsenal?

    Why isn't Israel's undeclared array of nuclear WMD not considered a critical security threat to the entire region? After all, it is.

    Can we talk about it?--or is doing so 'anti-Semitic'?

    And how about what holy Jewish scripture says about the goyim? Not very flattering.

    In fact, it's worse than what the Koran says about Jews!

    Why shouldn't the outrage go both ways?

    Jewish disdain similarly applies to Christians. To countless religious Jews, Christ is an imposter who deserves to be "boiled in excrement". Not very neighborly, eh?

    What should we do about this, Ms. Mercer?

    Jewish fundamentalism is often shocking, revolting, and threatening. But don't hold your breath waiting for Mercer to come clean about these theological embarrassments or the countless double-standards that benefit her tribe and her adopted apartheid welfare state. Pursuing the truth just isn't her shtick.

    Indeed, like so many of her co-ethnics, Mercer's present strategy is to turn Christians against Muslims. This works out rather nicely for Israel. Just look at the smoldering ruins of Iraq, Palestine, Libya and Syria; not to mention the ongoing economic strangulation of Iran. These are crypto-Zionist operations. And if Israel gets its way, there will be more.

    Ilana Mercer is a hasbara operative posing as a Zio-libertarian. But don't be fooled. She and her brethren work tirelessly to divide-up Israel's ever-expanding list of victims, dupes and adversaries. She's presently spinning a political yarn using a hip, American, libertarian smokescreen. But it's 100% kosher. If it wasn't, she would be complaining about how US-based Israelis use American power to steer Washington into expensive and unnecessary wars of aggression that benefit the Zionist state. This huge and obvious oversight permeates Mercer's entire 'libertarian' ideology. I'm amazed that Unz even publishes her.

    Thus, you will never hear a comment or position from Mercer that exalts the libertarian principle of non-aggression. Why? It undermines the long-term Zionist project which requires expansion, conquest and war--as well as uninterrupted military succor from Uncle Sam.

    These deceptions explain why ruinous invasions and foreign-funded revolts are being orchestrated all over the globe by pro-Zionists of various ideological persuasions. And among the cheerleaders is Zio-libertarian, Ilana Mercer.

    'Why do those evil anti-Semites hate us so?'

    Oy vey.

    At the same time, the Zionist state continues to siphon off resources and wealth from innumerable peoples as it sets the groundwork for additional conflict.

    No genuine libertarian could support such wasteful, violent, and lethal state action. In fact, any honest libertarian would necessarily denounce Israel for its hyper-sonic levels of interference, aggression and parasitism upon the American republic. Not Mercer.

    She'd rather bellyache about Palestinian rock-throwers, stateless Iraqi paupers, and other threats to 'Jewish survival'. This is tribalism, not libertarianism.

    Indeed, if she was a libertarian, Mercer would caution us Americans to mind our own business and stop waging non-essential wars against distant Muslim states. This is what Ron Paul has been doing for decades. Not Mercer.

    In fact, Mercer's living happily and securely in her kosher, socialist apartheid state, kvetching about 'anti-Semitism' and the poor treatment of Jews at the hands of evil Muslims. Might it be that her entire political scenario is a fraud?--and that the very reverse is more accurate?

    It is the vast, unchecked power of international Jewry--not Islam--that undermines American security and global stability.

    I don’t normally “white knight” but this remarkably illogical and poorly researched comment really triggered me:

    What a manipulating writer and dishonest article. All Ilana Mercer ever thinks about is the always-imperiled safety of HER precious people, never the reverse. Her hyper-ethnocentrism is both insulting and small-minded.

    So you’re opposed to—indeed, disgusted by— ethnocentrism, in this case a Jew wondering whether certain policies are good or bad for Jews? You must also be opposed to Europeans and Euro-Americans (as well as Japanese, Palestinians, Bolivians, Nigerians, etc.) analyzing whether certain policies are good or bad for them, right?

    What a crazy random happenstance that, of all the ethnic groups in the world whose present and/or historical ethnocentrism you could have devoted your comment to criticizing, you chose one that represents less than 0.2% of the world’s population.

    Isn’t it about time that gentiles kept running tabs on the threats, humiliations, and genuine security issues posed by Jews upon them?

    What about the impact of Jewish activism on all of humanity, Ilana? It’s bone-crushing!

    I’m just curious, do you also believe in the principle of collective guilt as it applies to Europeans, or just Jews? For example, do you think that, as many leftists (ludicrously) do, present-day Europeans are responsible for the atrocities committed against non-white indigenes during colonialism, and thus owe a huge moral debt to said non-Europeans today?

    Shall we do a body count, starting with the Russian revolution?

    And how about Israel’s nuclear arsenal?

    Why isn’t Israel’s undeclared array of nuclear WMD not considered a critical security threat to the entire region? After all, it is.

    The ethnic composition of early 20th century Communist movements and Middle Eastern high geopolitics definitely seem very relevant to this article about Muslim immigration and the relationship of Jewish interest organizations thereof.

    Can we talk about it?–or is doing so ‘anti-Semitic’?

    Yeah, when does anybody in the United States or Europe ever debate whether Israel’s behavior and the US’s enablement thereof is good or not? I hear it’s a particularly trivial issue on college campuses. And prominent, passionate, American critics of the Israeli state’s behavior, like Noam Chomsky, Norman Finklestein and Glenn Greenwald, are also all Gentiles.

    Again, this all seems very relevant to the original article.

    Ilana Mercer is a hasbara operative posing as a Zio-libertarian

    I have no idea, not being a frequent reader of Mercer’s work, whether this is true or not, though judging from the first page of her published articles on Unz dot com and Wiki page it doesn’t really seem like an accurate characterization of her place in the American political ecosystem.

    Regardless, it seems like the appropriate place to raise such concerns about Mercer’s views about Israel and/or American foreign policy would be…an article actually about Israel and/or American foreign policy.

    ‘Why do those evil anti-Semites hate us so?’

    I do indeed find it difficult to understand why you have such intense anger about these particular issues, and why you translate your nominal disagreement with the behavior of the Israeli and American governments and militaries into hatred of Jews as a people.

    You’ll be shocked to hear this, I know, but many people are capable of articulating critiques of decisions made by governments, like that of Israel, without also randomly foaming at the mouth with hatred at people who have the same ethnic background as members of said governments.

    Indeed, if she was a libertarian, Mercer would caution us Americans to mind our own business and stop waging non-essential wars against distant Muslim states. This is what Ron Paul has been doing for decades. Not Mercer.

    Indeed, if you were an intellectually honest human being, you would have at least, say, done a cursory Google search and Wikipedia perusal to see if your claims were easily disproved. Mercer apparently opposed the Libya and Iraq interventions and has long criticized neoconservatism (Wiki credits her with coming up with Steve Sailer’s beloved “invade the world/invite the world” framing.)

    Thus, even by your own fallacious “you don’t talk/talk often enough about my pet hobbyhorse, your argument is invalid” standard, your argument is wrong. Sad!

    Of course, when exposing the perfidy and power of The Jews, it’s hardly necessarily to waste one’s time doing “factual research” to separate real facts from alternative facts.

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    1 "ndeed, disgusted by— ethnocentrism, in this case a Jew wondering whether certain policies are good" But the polices are coming from the same group who marketed Libya Syrian and Iraq wars

    2"’m just curious, do you also believe in the principle of collective guilt as it applies to Europeans, or just Jews?" How did you reach this conclusion?

    3 "Google search and Wikipedia perusal to see if your claims were easily disproved. Mercer apparently opposed the Libya and Iraq interventions and has long criticized neoconservatism (Wiki credits her with coming up with Steve Sailer’s beloved “invade the world/invite the world” framing.) "

    If that were the case , why doesn't she lambast the current polices of Likudnik in Israel and the western appendages thriving and doing incalculable damages to the rest of world including damages to US-UK

    4 Why this entire article on about Muslims threatening Jews when the opposite is true ? Is not she plainly lying through her teeth?

    5 If she wants to show some authenticity about her previous railing against neoconservatives, may be she should alarm and educate the American public of the risks of damages and risks of wars ,risks of terrorism from Iran obsession , and speak loudly against current inertia of we allowing the canard emanating from AIPAC ADL JINSA Israel and local neoocns against Iran and against Iran deal and let those lies shape the government policies.
    , @anonymous
    About you collective guilt


    "SEE: “Israeli diplomat in Berlin: Maintaining German guilt about Holocaust helps Israel” | By Nir Gontarz | Haaretz.com | Jun. 25, 2015

    [EXCERPT] A spokeswoman for the Israeli embassy in Berlin recently told Israeli journalists it was in the country’s interest to maintain German guilt about the Holocaust, and that it isn’t seeking full normalization of relations between the governments.

    Embassy spokeswoman Adi Farjon made the comments in a closed briefing session with journalists at the embassy.

    “We were all in shock,” said a female journalist present at the briefing. “The spokeswoman clearly said it was an Israeli interest to maintain German guilt feelings. She even said that without them, we’d be just another country as far as they’re concerned.”

    Others present at the event confirmed the journalist’s account.

    Some added that the Israeli ambassador himself, Yakov Hadas-Handelsman, was present for some of the briefing, as were other embassy workers who don’t speak Hebrew. Another journalist commented, “It was so awkward. We couldn’t believe our ears. We’re sitting there eating peanuts, and behind the spokeswoman there are two German women sitting there who don’t understand a word of Hebrew – and the embassy staff is telling us they’re working to preserve the German guilt feelings and that Israel has no interest in normalization of relations between the two countries.”

    “I don’t remember saying that,” Farjon told Haaretz in response. “I can’t vouch for any particular quote, she added. “It was an off-the-record conversation, a briefing talk. The way I speak with Israeli journalists is a little different. These things aren’t intended to get out. I can’t reveal the principles I work by. For example, I don’t say who I go to in order to get good stories out here, or who I pay for things like that.” . . .

    ENTIRE ARTICLE – http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.662962

    quoting the comment of LewisDickerson March 1, 2017, 12:53 pmLewisDickerson March 1, 2017, 12:53 pm http://mondoweiss.net/2017/03/palestine-colonialism-academic/

  138. @Anon
    It's annoying. I imagine him searching each article at Unz for a handful of key words (Holocaust, Nazi, etc.), after which part he goes to a doc and C&Ps a handful of spam.

    It’s annoying for Anon because he doesn’t stand a chance when debating informed Revisionists.

    “There’s no business like $hoah business.”

    see the impossible ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:
    http://codoh.com
    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com

    Yet another Jew staged / fake antisemitic crime:
    https://newtownbee.com/first-degree-arson-arrest-police-allege-package-store-owner-faked-crime/
    &
    https://newtownbee.com/police-chief-investigators-tirelessley-working-first-ever-robbery-hate-crime/

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    There are no such things as "informed revisionists."
  139. @Talha
    I love Ms. Mercer's articles on Islam! They're so full...of stuff!!!

    It’s not right-wing populism that endangers Jewish survival in Europe and Canada
     
    Umm, have you read some of the comments at UNZ. "Push them into the sea!" apparently is quite popular on this side of the pond - I had no clue.

    it’s the influx of Muslims
     
    OK - please send massive memos to your folks to stop the influx now - they are in the thick of advocating it (and also setting about the causes of it by advocating destabilizing Muslim countries). Please figure out what the hell you want!

    These Muslims bring with them the Islam that The Prophet practiced.
     
    Ahhh - one can certainly dream!

    This Islam does not tolerate Jews.
     
    Which is why practically ever place Islam spread to and kicked out the prevailing Byzantine or Persian or Visigoth, etc. order, your folks thought it was a blessing from God that He raised up the 'Kingdom of Ismael':
    "The angel Metatron at once answered him. 'Fear not, O son of man! The Holy One, blessed be He, brings the kingdom of Ishmael only to save you from this wicked one (Rome) He will send a prophet to them and conquer the Land [of Israel]...And the second king who arises from Ishmael will love [the people of] Israel and conquer all the kingdoms."
    Historical Dictionary of Judaism

    I mean, have you even read your own history?

    Muslims now greatly outnumber Jews in these formerly safe spaces for Judaism.
     
    Doh - I guess we'll have to deal with more illegal settlements now that y'all need to go to Israel for your safe spaces, eh?

    are almost exclusively the handiwork of an ancient hatred
     
    Or extremist mob mentality - take your pick.

    Second only to Latinos, the relatively new, roughly 40-year-old Muslim community is the most anti-Semitic community
     
    Damn it - we can't be first in anything!

    It is virtually impossible to be reared in classical Islam and not be educated to hate Jews
     
    Really - I know plenty of traditionally trained Muslim scholars that don't hate Jews - how did that happen?

    many of the Suras concerning Jews are monstrously hateful, murderous, terrifying
     
    If you understood the context - you'd understand why this is so. I would hope they would be terrified when God declares war on those that plotted to help the enemies of His Prophet (pbuh) - you expect Him to deliver them ice cream from the heavens?
    "It is He who expelled from their habitations the unbelievers among the People of the Book at the first gathering. You did not think that they would go forth, and they thought that their fortresses would defend them against God; but God came upon them from whence they had not reckoned, and He cast terror into their hearts as they destroyed their houses with their own hands, and the hands of the believers; therefore take heed, you who have eyes!" (59:2)

    It astonishes me that people think God should conduct Himself like a chump - where does this mentality come from? I mean, does He own the universe or is it all about your feelings and safe-spaces. Now who's talking SJW?

    according to Islamic teaching, were Muslims, not Jews
     
    Uh no - they were ethnically Jews, but Muslims. Being a Jew can be an ethnic identity or a religious one. All prophets are Muslim for us - their ethnicity is irrelevant.

    condemned anti-Semitism
     
    This is a major problem because many Jewish groups insist that criticism of Israel is anti-semitic - therefore they want to back us up into a corner. Sorry, we won't play that game. We can oppose Israel without hating on Jews. If you can't see that - it's your problem, not ours.

    Islam and Latin America
     
    O crap! The nightmare convergence!

    "MIAMI — Latinos are one of the fastest growing groups in the Muslim religion."
    http://www.voanews.com/a/latinas-converting-to-islam-for-identity-structure/2488304.html

    they heap insults on a president who belongs to one of the most politically submissive, bullied groups: white men
     
    Yeah - that's not smart.

    The proper metaphor for the relationship between Judaism and Christianity is that of proud parent and progeny.
     
    OMG! You have got to be *****ing me - can you seriously write that with a straight face? Man are you going to get seriously nailed by a boatload of UNZ comments for that one! OK, given that we trace ourselves back to Abraham (pbuh) - is our metaphor one of a proud grandparent and grandkids! Can I call you 'Gramps'??!!

    Peace.

    Umm, have you read some of the comments at UNZ. “Push them into the sea!” apparently is quite popular on this side of the pond – I had no clue.

    I think the “Jews exaggerate Western anti-Semitism”/”kill all Jews” ratio in the Unz comment sections is…maybe 10,000 to 1 at a conservative estimate?

    OK – please send massive memos to your folks to stop the influx now – they are in the thick of advocating it (and also setting about the causes of it by advocating destabilizing Muslim countries). Please figure out what the hell you want!

    Wow, just wow. You do realize that was the entire point of the article?

    Which is why practically ever place Islam spread to and kicked out the prevailing Byzantine or Persian or Visigoth, etc. order, your folks thought it was a blessing from God that He raised up the ‘Kingdom of Ismael’:

    I suspect the historical toleration by Muslims of Jews in the Middle East is why the sentence you quoted specified “this” Islam, as opposed to “all Islam that has ever existed anywhere ever.”

    Doh – I guess we’ll have to deal with more illegal settlements now that y’all need to go to Israel for your safe spaces, eh?

    The nuances of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict seem very relevant to this article about immigration to the US.

    This is a major problem because many Jewish groups insist that criticism of Israel is anti-semitic – therefore they want to back us up into a corner. Sorry, we won’t play that game. We can oppose Israel without hating on Jews. If you can’t see that – it’s your problem, not ours.

    Except for the Jewish organizations, like J Street and Jewish Voice for Peace, that criticize Israel and those who broadly define anti-Semitism to include reasonable criticisms of Israel.

    Also, the Unz comments sections are probably not the best place to make the case that we shouldn’t think about criticism of Israel as being related to anti-Semitism. (This is hopefully apparent regardless of whether one thinks anti-Semitism is a good or bad thing.)

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    that we shouldn’t think about criticism of Israel as being related to anti-Semitism.
     
    Why is criticism of Israel anti-Semitisms? Did you know that the first prime minister of Israel, David Ben-Gurion, and several of the early leaders were atheists?
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    @Wally
    It's annoying for Anon because he doesn't stand a chance when debating informed Revisionists.

    "There's no business like $hoah business."

    see the impossible 'holocaust' scam debunked here:
    http://codoh.com
    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com

    Yet another Jew staged / fake antisemitic crime:
    https://newtownbee.com/first-degree-arson-arrest-police-allege-package-store-owner-faked-crime/
    &
    https://newtownbee.com/police-chief-investigators-tirelessley-working-first-ever-robbery-hate-crime/

    There are no such things as “informed revisionists.”

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    Yet you run from debate because your impossible religion has no chance.

    Also, a new site, as posted at Unz:
    https://holocaustdeprogrammingcourse.com/

    Must reads:
    Holocaust Handbooks & Documentaries
    http://holocausthandbooks.com
    and:
    http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1


    "Alone the fact that one may not question the Jewish "holocaust" and that Jewish pressure has inflicted laws on democratic societies to prevent questions—while incessant promotion and indoctrination of the same averredly incontestable ‘holocaust’ occur—gives the game away. It proves that it must be a lie. Why else would one not be allowed to question it? Because it might offend the "survivors"? Because it "dishonors the dead"? Hardly sufficient reason to outlaw discussion. No, because the exposure of this leading lie might precipitate questions about so many other lies and cause the whole ramshackle fabrication to crumble."
    - Gerard Menuhin / Revisionist Jew, son of famous violinist
     
  141. @RobinG
    Take a rest? Maybe you should take a powder. It certainly is a free country, and we're talking about what we think is important. In this case, that ADL drums up allegations of anti-Jewishness so they can justify their fundraising appeals.

    But Foxman was obviously not the subject of my comment. The film depicts the Israeli indoctrination of their youth, and it's not fear, it's hate. Most of us could care less about the Jewish/Israeli psychosis. Pathetic, but their problem. What rankles us is the Israel Lobby hijacking US foreign policy.

    You wrote, "I think all manner of false, inauthentic and ultimately destructive impositions on Israel and the region will be resolved...." I'm glad I saw that. Impositions on Israel????? Now I know why some of the guys here give you such a hard time. Maybe I'm a little slow, but it's over now.

    Yes, I’m quivering at the thought.

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  142. @RobinG
    "Oriental Despotism rears its non-white head." HUH?????????? A.K. is a Russian white boy. What are you talking about>

    A little OT - Ever run into John Walsh in Berkeley? He makes great points. Idiot 'progressive' Dems hate Trump so much, they want to use fake Russian connection against him.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdqeqhFxSNU
    CrossTalk: Liberal War Addiction
    John Walsh
    Mohammad Marandi
    Sara Flounders

    ok thanks, but he looks asia minor, as in turkic. I think I so characterized him and he did not contradict my phenotypic comment.

    whatever…then he has some commie in him, and russian slavism. Farbeit from me to rundown Russians, but I see a lot of negative characterizations of Russians with people who know something.

    I have a Russian friend, female about 30 and looks white. I asked her about the negative assessments one hears abut Russians. She said, yeah we are pirates. Now I am willing to entertain certain Cultural arguments, particularly after about 75 years of communist cultural subversion, jewish and russian. Result has been lots of graft, etc.

    Whether slavs, or russians have some problems…could be….long way from Europe to deep Russia, and even Moscow….no magic carpets until recently, in terms of evolution and gene exchange.
    Have not lived in Berzerkeley in decades, and never get over there, what with traffic and so on.
    Joe Webb

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  143. @Sam Shama
    [Great read for those who want to understand how the jews took over the State Dept from the pro-Arab Arabists]

    Arabists at State are a troublesome legacy, compliments of old Whitehall, which to this day retains a strong whiff of T.E. Lawrence and Faisal. Whatever influence Jews exercise on State, serves only to keep the vessel seaworthy.

    you gotta be jew crazy. The jews/israel are the single largest danger to the whole world. They take biologism too far. They take Darwin too far. They take tribalism too far. They take hatred too far. Fact is, every single nationalistic principle..or dynamic, they take too far, way too far.

    Kaplan’s book, The Arabists, provide so many comments on the Jew character, and some on the Arab as well…..everybody should read it. And Kaplan served in the IDF, was For the Iraq war, and then regretted it. And has lots of elisions in the book, from my point of view. Yet, he appears to admit that his east European cousins …Israelies, are , shall we say, pushy, etc.

    Like do you call Israel Established, or do you call the whole jewish caper a Conquest? That sort of thing

    I particularly enjoyed this one, page 170: a Murphy, a Foreign Service guy talks about getting screwed by an arab newspaper in a story…” I made the mistake to trying to reason with them…”

    Then another: James Moore, Jr. remarked that Arabic “opens the door to an empty room.” p. 176 F (I assigned letters to the photo pages)

    The comments on Israeli character are typical of the sorts of things we say here on Unz. My personal experience with Israelis is that they are more objective than American Jews. Lots of funny ones that UR folks would enjoy….dozens. Of course funny flies out the window wth the Jew Nukes raining down.

    This book should be on your shelf for providing great history , almost month by month for almost a century. Important….the Protestant Misionary Altruism, white guy altruism…and their anti-semitism…very important to understand this. These were the white pioneering missionaries starting about 1920 who morphed into theArabists who tried to keep the jews Out. But as Kaplan keeps saying, they did not understand American political realities, in other words, Jews and their Amen Corner Enablers/voters.

    The Arabs loved us until the jews showed up. that is the fundamental truth. The missionaries gave up on trying to convert anybody, and built schools and hospitals…more White altruism, and the Arabs were grateful . That was then.

    by the way, to another comment , these missionaries were not Lawrences of Araby, per another post that dismisses the missionary white boys and girls who lived in Araby for generations.
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    joe webb says

    "And has lots of elisions in the book, from my point of view"

    who said you can have a pov,how many fucking times do i have to say it......only adults are allowed pov's.
    take it out of your mouth and put it back in the box.
    , @Sam Shama
    [you gotta be jew crazy. The jews/israel are the single largest danger to the whole world. They take biologism too far. They take Darwin too far. They take tribalism too far. They take hatred too far. Fact is, every single nationalistic principle..or dynamic, they take too far, way too far.]

    Joe, you may not realise it - a common condition and I'd suggest daily meditation as a curative- but you are getting your thoughts all muddled and as a result speaking from both sides of your mouth. You've called all jews 'crazy liberals and Pinkos' and subsequently extreme adherents of Darwinism/biologism. Those descriptions are mutually orthogonal. You've also in the span of a paragraph or two switched Israelis from being the single most dangerous people on earth to an objective people. Perhaps you meant they are objective in their dangerousness? Which would imply inter alia that their dangerousness [to whomever] is logical?

  144. @Sam Shama
    [Great read for those who want to understand how the jews took over the State Dept from the pro-Arab Arabists]

    Arabists at State are a troublesome legacy, compliments of old Whitehall, which to this day retains a strong whiff of T.E. Lawrence and Faisal. Whatever influence Jews exercise on State, serves only to keep the vessel seaworthy.

    Sammy boy…’troublesome” for who? rhymes with pew. jw

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  145. Theoretically Jews are not semites. Abraham and his sister wife were born from Syrian mother.
    So go figure!

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  146. @Mike Johnson
    Pull your panties up, dude, you sound like you're getting moist waiting for Trump to come save your day just because you feel stupid from being outwitted by someone smarter than you. ;)

    Your degeneracy is showing. You are Tahlas white knight. Are you Jewish, involved with Asians, a Hilhag grrl? I’ll wait for Tahla to reply. It’s a discussion between him and me. When you do something brave, like burn a Koran among Muslims, let me know. Two castratos against one girl, and you still can’t defeat me.

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    Your degeneracy is showing. You are Tahlas white knight. Are you Jewish, involved with Asians, a Hilhag grrl? I’ll wait for Tahla to reply. It’s a discussion between him and me. When you do something brave, like burn a Koran among Muslims, let me know. Two castratos against one girl, and you still can’t defeat me.
     
    Typical losers behavior. When losing start calling names. Furthermore, this is an open forum. Anyone can comment on any post.

    Now, let me ask you some questions. Are you Jewish? If you are, tell me who is a Semite? Also why does criticizing Israel constitute anti-Semiticism?

    Burning the Qur'an is really an act of bravery. How many Qur'ans have you burned or are you a coward?
  147. @Sam Shama
    Ron Paul, good-hearted man that he most likely is, proposes a system of economics which would guarantee time-travel back to the period of the Emperor Diocletian. Some might like it I suppose.

    Hey Sam,

    I’ll admit, this is not my area of expertise. I’ll let the economists hash it out. Though I do know one of the four Sunni schools (I can’t recall which one) is absolutely a Libertarian’s dream – it advocates no government interference in the economy whatsoever, even in emergencies. The other ones run a spectrum.

    You may not like his economics, but his principles were a sight to behold. He’s too old unfortunately and I will miss him when he’s gone. America missed a great opportunity – a principled, honest man like that doesn’t come but once or twice in a lifetime.

    Peace.

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  148. @attilathehen
    Hey bro, remember you're Pakistani (average Paki IQ 84). I will admit you have a couple more points though. But you still are inferior to a Christian Caucasian woman.

    Most Muslims are Asians/blacks the races with the lowest IQs.

    There's a new sheriff in town - Trump.

    The times they are a changin'.

    Hey bro, remember you’re Pakistani (average Paki IQ 84). I will admit you have a couple more points though. But you still are inferior to a Christian Caucasian woman.

    You mean like Hillary Clinton and Nancy Pelosi.

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  149. @attilathehen
    Hey bro, remember you're Pakistani (average Paki IQ 84). I will admit you have a couple more points though. But you still are inferior to a Christian Caucasian woman.

    Most Muslims are Asians/blacks the races with the lowest IQs.

    There's a new sheriff in town - Trump.

    The times they are a changin'.

    Hey da’ hen,

    But you still are inferior to a Christian Caucasian woman.

    This is true, I look horrible in high heels.

    Now knock off the teasing, I told you I’m already married to a White woman and my spiritual teacher won’t let me take a second.

    Question: Why are all the High IQ countries the ones least likely to perpetuate their genetics?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unoMMru4-c0

    Peace.

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    Yes, I remember the degenerate white woman you married and you have Pakistani muslim offspring. Your wife committed genetic suicide but at least it won't interfere with our high IQ peoples.
  150. @joe webb
    you gotta be jew crazy. The jews/israel are the single largest danger to the whole world. They take biologism too far. They take Darwin too far. They take tribalism too far. They take hatred too far. Fact is, every single nationalistic principle..or dynamic, they take too far, way too far.

    Kaplan's book, The Arabists, provide so many comments on the Jew character, and some on the Arab as well.....everybody should read it. And Kaplan served in the IDF, was For the Iraq war, and then regretted it. And has lots of elisions in the book, from my point of view. Yet, he appears to admit that his east European cousins ...Israelies, are , shall we say, pushy, etc.

    Like do you call Israel Established, or do you call the whole jewish caper a Conquest? That sort of thing

    I particularly enjoyed this one, page 170: a Murphy, a Foreign Service guy talks about getting screwed by an arab newspaper in a story..." I made the mistake to trying to reason with them..."

    Then another: James Moore, Jr. remarked that Arabic "opens the door to an empty room." p. 176 F (I assigned letters to the photo pages)

    The comments on Israeli character are typical of the sorts of things we say here on Unz. My personal experience with Israelis is that they are more objective than American Jews. Lots of funny ones that UR folks would enjoy....dozens. Of course funny flies out the window wth the Jew Nukes raining down.

    This book should be on your shelf for providing great history , almost month by month for almost a century. Important....the Protestant Misionary Altruism, white guy altruism...and their anti-semitism...very important to understand this. These were the white pioneering missionaries starting about 1920 who morphed into theArabists who tried to keep the jews Out. But as Kaplan keeps saying, they did not understand American political realities, in other words, Jews and their Amen Corner Enablers/voters.

    The Arabs loved us until the jews showed up. that is the fundamental truth. The missionaries gave up on trying to convert anybody, and built schools and hospitals...more White altruism, and the Arabs were grateful . That was then.

    by the way, to another comment , these missionaries were not Lawrences of Araby, per another post that dismisses the missionary white boys and girls who lived in Araby for generations.
    Joe Webb

    joe webb says

    “And has lots of elisions in the book, from my point of view”

    who said you can have a pov,how many fucking times do i have to say it……only adults are allowed pov’s.
    take it out of your mouth and put it back in the box.

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  151. @attilathehen
    Your degeneracy is showing. You are Tahlas white knight. Are you Jewish, involved with Asians, a Hilhag grrl? I'll wait for Tahla to reply. It's a discussion between him and me. When you do something brave, like burn a Koran among Muslims, let me know. Two castratos against one girl, and you still can't defeat me.

    Your degeneracy is showing. You are Tahlas white knight. Are you Jewish, involved with Asians, a Hilhag grrl? I’ll wait for Tahla to reply. It’s a discussion between him and me. When you do something brave, like burn a Koran among Muslims, let me know. Two castratos against one girl, and you still can’t defeat me.

    Typical losers behavior. When losing start calling names. Furthermore, this is an open forum. Anyone can comment on any post.

    Now, let me ask you some questions. Are you Jewish? If you are, tell me who is a Semite? Also why does criticizing Israel constitute anti-Semiticism?

    Burning the Qur’an is really an act of bravery. How many Qur’ans have you burned or are you a coward?

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    Burning the Qur’an is really an act of bravery.
     
    It is? What is brave about it?
    , @attilathehen
    I stated I was a Caucasian Christian. Are you Jewish? Involved with Asians?

    I didn't call Mike Johnson a degenerate, just said he exhibited degeneracy. And calling someone a white knight is not abusive. He has not yet responded to me.


    From where did you you get the criticizing Israel anti-semitic stuff? Jews are a miscegenated, meshuggah melange who do need their own state so they don't live in our countries.


    I live in an area where Muslims have tried to convert me. I told them they were Christian heretics and IQ inferiors. They walked away. This is better than Koran burning. But that's next on my list of things to do.
  152. @iffen
    I am still in disbelief. After all your stout, respectful and reasoned defenses of your religion you let them pull you down to their level. To disparage an entire religion and millions of devout and sincere people by calling Christianity a hobby is beyond the pale. You are just one of them now, Talha.

    Hey iffen,

    Some clarification is due; I can see how my words might offend someone unnecessarily. Though the truth hurts, I did not actually mean to single out Christianity in insinuating that it is and has always been merely a hobby religion. As far as I’m concerned, there is a pathology in the West that tries to turn all religions into a hobby – that is the context in which I referenced Christianity. This is not healthy. If one cannot distinguish, neither in attire, language, mannerisms, goal, or lifestyle between the adherent of one religion or another – other than a perfunctory weekly gathering nor can it be bothered as its symbols are removed from the public domain – then the religion has entered hobby status.

    I live in a neighborhood just south of a heavy Jewish area; I can immediately see that some Jews obviously treat their religion like a hobby while some take it very seriously – it is the core of their meaning.

    As far as Christianity as a whole; a religion that once birthed men like Francis of Assisi, inspired the beautiful Gothic cathedrals and helped guide the pens of those that charted Anglo-Saxon law – that is no hobby religion.

    People like Mike and Stonehands know what I’m talking about.

    Peace.

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    People like Mike and Stonehands know what I’m talking about.

    I do now as well.

    I am a pessimist, but I have an irrational optimistic streak that fights its way through on occasion and interferes with the meager thinking process that I have been blessed/cursed with.

    I have gone to the other side, Talha.

    Islam is incompatible with liberal democracy.

    No further immigration into the US from Muslim countries should be allowed.
    , @lavoisier
    Talha,

    I wish I had the strength of your faith and your conviction. When I lost my faith I lost an important part of my being for sure.

    You are absolutely right. We are dying in the West because we have lost our faith.

    But your strength and conviction makes your religion very dangerous to us.
  153. @John Chard

    Umm, have you read some of the comments at UNZ. “Push them into the sea!” apparently is quite popular on this side of the pond – I had no clue.
     
    I think the "Jews exaggerate Western anti-Semitism"/"kill all Jews" ratio in the Unz comment sections is...maybe 10,000 to 1 at a conservative estimate?

    OK – please send massive memos to your folks to stop the influx now – they are in the thick of advocating it (and also setting about the causes of it by advocating destabilizing Muslim countries). Please figure out what the hell you want!
     
    Wow, just wow. You do realize that was the entire point of the article?

    Which is why practically ever place Islam spread to and kicked out the prevailing Byzantine or Persian or Visigoth, etc. order, your folks thought it was a blessing from God that He raised up the ‘Kingdom of Ismael’:
     
    I suspect the historical toleration by Muslims of Jews in the Middle East is why the sentence you quoted specified "this" Islam, as opposed to "all Islam that has ever existed anywhere ever."

    Doh – I guess we’ll have to deal with more illegal settlements now that y’all need to go to Israel for your safe spaces, eh?
     
    The nuances of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict seem very relevant to this article about immigration to the US.

    This is a major problem because many Jewish groups insist that criticism of Israel is anti-semitic – therefore they want to back us up into a corner. Sorry, we won’t play that game. We can oppose Israel without hating on Jews. If you can’t see that – it’s your problem, not ours.
     
    Except for the Jewish organizations, like J Street and Jewish Voice for Peace, that criticize Israel and those who broadly define anti-Semitism to include reasonable criticisms of Israel.

    Also, the Unz comments sections are probably not the best place to make the case that we shouldn't think about criticism of Israel as being related to anti-Semitism. (This is hopefully apparent regardless of whether one thinks anti-Semitism is a good or bad thing.)

    that we shouldn’t think about criticism of Israel as being related to anti-Semitism.

    Why is criticism of Israel anti-Semitisms? Did you know that the first prime minister of Israel, David Ben-Gurion, and several of the early leaders were atheists?

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  154. @Sam Shama
    Robin,
    Take a rest from pushing Foxman as the Provost of all Jews. He talks about what he thinks is important and it's a free country, isn't it? How many Jewish kids do you know? Or have spoken to who fear others? No Jewish kid I know - and I am fairly sure I know a few more than you do - live in fear of others.

    How many Jewish kids do you know? Or have spoken to who fear others? No Jewish kid I know – and I am fairly sure I know a few more than you do – live in fear of others.

    If you and yours do not fear – why are you here – why the hasbara legions – why the instant whining about WWII – why the massive Israeli army – why 200 nukes – why the coercion of congress – why the takeover of the media et al?

    Your actions speak louder then your words – you Jews are in a constant defensive mode – your words belie your true feelings of fear – your confidence is a mile wide, but an inch thick.

    As you traumatize your kids with fear, you pump them with a hateful vile bravado – an intolerable bravado you grownup Jews are just too stupid to give up.

    Peace — Art

    p.s. Shame on the Jew for what they do to their youth – all that potential forever wallowing in hate. So sad!

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    As to the reasons for my presence here, I imagine it is somewhat different from that for which you lurk around. Actually why do you lurk around? There, you now have a perfect basis to go on a missionary's soliloquy!

    Why do the U.S./Russia/China/India/France and others have nuclear weapons? And now your fervent wish is for Iran to possess a load as well! Sorry, can't have that.

    Are you really so oblivious to reality as to believe that a few random lachrymose young skirts, featured on videos you and Robin seem to preserve like aging vinegar; endorse and offer with the unflinching zeal of a preacher, encapsulate the upbringing, disposition, and attitude of an entire population?

    I suppose putting it down to your respective memberships in that special race of beings so little modeled after the accepted lines of cogency, all this is laughable.

  155. @Talha
    Hola Senor,

    In what way do you oppose Israel? As a matter of principle? Or over certain actions?
     
    Both actually. But Muslim nations are signatories to international protocols - the upholding of which are moral imperatives since we are not allowed to commit treachery. All of our actions of resistance or change must abide by the legal framework we have signed up to.

    Which incidentally allows Palestinians the right to resist, with force, illegal occupation.


    Irrelevantly, “the angel Metatron” sounds like a 70s band …
     
    Good point. I immediately thought of the Transformer - being an 80's kid.

    Peace.

    > allows Palestinians the right to resist, with force, illegal occupation.

    you prefer the slow-motion war, as being advantageous to you.

    but you can’t always get what you want, shipmate.

    Spain was liberated from Islam yesterday; Rakhine is being liberated from Islam today – and Jerusalem will be liberated from Islam tomorrow.

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    Hey Karl,

    but you can’t always get what you want, shipmate.
     
    True that.

    Rakhine is being liberated from Islam today
     
    Oh, you mean the Daesh-style ethnic cleansing campaign:
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/burma-rohingya-muslim-babies-children-slaughtered-knives-massacre-genocide-un-warns-a7561711.html

    OK - I guess some call it liberation. I mean, it is our fault - lack of collective will on the part of the Ummah to do anything about it. It's a shame actually, we have a bunch of Chechens and Uzbeks tied up committing lunacy in Iraq and Syria. If they had their heads on straight they would flood in to Rakhine and set up a safety zone for the Rohingya - they make great shock troops and would give the Burmese military a run for their money.

    and Jerusalem will be liberated from Islam tomorrow
     
    It already has been by the fact that there are gay pride parades held in the Holy City in which the prophets walked:
    http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.732700

    Do you seriously think that would happen if Islam was in charge? But we have time - ultimately it's in His hands - the liberation of Jerusalem will come at the hands of the worthy, and we are proving ourselves to be unworthy at the moment. The names of Umar ibn al-Khattab (ra) and Salahuddin (ra) are not going to be followed by some chump from the PA.

    Peace.
    , @Johann Ricke

    Spain was liberated from Islam yesterday; Rakhine is being liberated from Islam today – and Jerusalem will be liberated from Islam tomorrow.
     
    Muslim-ruled territories used a combination of discriminatory measures against non-Muslims and the occasional large-scale massacre to encourage conversion. The Chinese are using discriminatory measures against practicing Muslims (e.g. in schools and government agencies, the banning of fasting during Ramadan, 5 times a day prayer) in order to encourage what amounts to apostasy. It's not clear whether China's milder measures will have the effect (on suppressing Islam) of the more rigorous efforts (to suppress the non-Islamic faiths) in what are now majority Muslim nations. However, the agnostic nature of the Chinese state, even before Communist rule, after millennia of quelling quasi-religious revolts, is somewhat encouraging.
  156. @MEexpert
    I have come across many ignorant people on the topic of Islam but this author takes the cake. She has no idea what she is talking about. Jews are the cry babies of the human race. They begged God to give them land. He did but they wanted more or they complained that it was not what they wanted. They wanted food from heaven. When they got that, they wanted more. They found one reason or other to cry. Reading the Torah, you would think that they were the most persecuted people even when they had the power. They always cried for more. They own more than half the wealth in the world but they want more. They want compensation for holocaust. They fit the image of a stereotypical Jew sucking the last drop of blood.

    They had Christ killed but they can’t be accused of that because that would be anti-Semitic. They even made the pope apologize for it. They commit atrocities against Palestinians but you can’t talk about it because that would be anti-Semitic. They own Americans so how dare these American talk about Jews. That would be anti-Semitic. I have read the first amendment several times but I cannot find the exception clause, i.e. one has freedom of speech as long as the speech is not against the jews. They have even hijacked the term semite so now it is used exclusively for the Jews. Chuck Schumer is as much a Semite as Jesse Jackson is. Semite refers to the residents of a geographical area not people of a certain religion.

    The same sorts say nothing publicly about the waves of Muslims washing up on Europe’s shores. One wonders if they know this intake doesn’t represent a new Islamic Golden Age.
     
    They didn’t say anything publicly when the waves of Jews washed up to the American shores from Europe.

    These Muslims bring with them the Islam that The Prophet practiced. This Islam does not tolerate Jews.
     
    This comment alone tells me that the author has no idea about what Islam is. She must have learned it from the two of the most famous American “Muslims,” Daniel Pipe and Pamella Geller. The way these two depicts Islam and the prophet, I am surprised there is any Jew left in the world. With the Muslims ruling Middle East and the Europe all the Jews would have been killed by the Jew-hating Muslims. Whatever remained would have been killed by the Christians. But the history tells us that not only Jews were not exterminated but actually thrived under the Muslim rule. They owned businesses even during the time of the prophet.

    Second only to Latinos, the relatively new, roughly 40-year-old Muslim community is the most anti-Semitic community in the U.S. Explained Stephen Steinlight
     
    Notwithstanding the fact that the majority of this Muslim community is itself Semite.

    The proper metaphor for the relationship between Judaism and Christianity is that of proud parent and progeny.
     
    Sorry, the proper metaphor should be the Arrogant Masters and the meek slaves.

    “It is virtually impossible to be reared in classical Islam and not be educated to hate Jews—based on a literalist reading of the Koran, where many of the Suras concerning Jews are monstrously hateful, murderous, terrifying, as well as the literature of the Sunnah.
     
    It is not easy to understand Qur'an by literalist read. People whose tongue is Arabic have spent their life time studying and trying to understand Qur'an. There is nothing that says that a Muslim has to hate Jews. Actually, it says that the Jews and the Christians are the "People of the book." What the Jews don't like about Qur'an is that God describes in detail how the Jews treated the various prophets he sent.

    Even during the Prophet's life time the Jews were treacherous. They would make treaties with the Muslims and at the last minute break them. God condemns this behavior for what it was.

    all the prophets and great figures of the Hebrew Bible, according to Islamic teaching, were Muslims, not Jews
     
    The term Jew did not come into picture until the second millennium so the Prophets could not have been Jews. On the other hand, Muslim means the one who submits to the will of God. All prophets submitted to the will of God and hence they were all Muslims.

    There is an anecdote in Qur'an about the Jews. The Jews of Medinah used to taunt Muslims that they were God's chosen people and that he loves them and they love him. God told the Prophet to tell the Jews that if they loved God so much they should wish for death so that they could meet God. Sadly, there were no takers.

    23 MEexpert > They had Christ killed

    …God the Father didn’t exactly cut Jesus a set of orders reciting: “Go to Jerusalem on Spring Break with your carpentry earnings, and fuck lots of hot Midianite chicks”, did He?

    Jesus wanted the suicide mission – he got the suicide mission.

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    Jesus wanted the suicide mission – he got the suicide mission.
     
    So now you want to blame Jesus for letting Jews kill him. I don't know if you are Jewish but that is what Jews' exit strategy is. Do bad things and blame the victim. They sucked the blood out of Germans. When Hitler retaliated he became the scapegoat. Similarly, it is the Palestinian's fault that they are being displaced or killed in the Middle East.

    Hey Ilana Mercer, I have a solution. Let us take all the Jews, including their supporters, and send them back to Israel. No Jews in the US, no terrorism problem. America will be safe again. Result will be a period of peace and prosperity, the likes of which Americans have never seen before. I can just imagine what a beautiful country this will be without the likes of Shumers, Kristols, Kagans, Sabans, Adelsons, Soros, and all the neocons.
  157. @pyrrhus
    The unpleasant fact is that if Islam takes over France, it will control quite a number of thermonuclear weapons, which would outclass Israel's arsenal...I see a potential here for a "conversation" about Israel's future.

    10 Pyrrhus > The unpleasant fact is that if Islam takes over France, it will control quite a number of thermonuclear weapons

    Pakistan already has a number of fission weapons. They don’t seem to have any interest in using it to create a “palestine”. In fact, they only **documented** thing that Pakistan forces have done in the Levant is – slaughter 20,000 Palestinians who got uppity and tried to “Black September” their way into the Palace in Amman. For which, they were handsomely paid by the Saudi-blooded family which was living in said Palace.

    Anyone here besides me, read any Urdu? Take my word for it, the Pakistanis have quite a stormy set of feelings about Arabs. ESPECIALLY Gulf Arabs.

    hey! What exactly *is* that rifle that Ms Hijabi is holding… an M-16 variant? I don’t recognize it.

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  158. @Talha
    Hey iffen,

    Some clarification is due; I can see how my words might offend someone unnecessarily. Though the truth hurts, I did not actually mean to single out Christianity in insinuating that it is and has always been merely a hobby religion. As far as I'm concerned, there is a pathology in the West that tries to turn all religions into a hobby - that is the context in which I referenced Christianity. This is not healthy. If one cannot distinguish, neither in attire, language, mannerisms, goal, or lifestyle between the adherent of one religion or another - other than a perfunctory weekly gathering nor can it be bothered as its symbols are removed from the public domain - then the religion has entered hobby status.

    I live in a neighborhood just south of a heavy Jewish area; I can immediately see that some Jews obviously treat their religion like a hobby while some take it very seriously - it is the core of their meaning.

    As far as Christianity as a whole; a religion that once birthed men like Francis of Assisi, inspired the beautiful Gothic cathedrals and helped guide the pens of those that charted Anglo-Saxon law - that is no hobby religion.

    People like Mike and Stonehands know what I'm talking about.

    Peace.

    People like Mike and Stonehands know what I’m talking about.

    I do now as well.

    I am a pessimist, but I have an irrational optimistic streak that fights its way through on occasion and interferes with the meager thinking process that I have been blessed/cursed with.

    I have gone to the other side, Talha.

    Islam is incompatible with liberal democracy.

    No further immigration into the US from Muslim countries should be allowed.

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    Hey iffen,

    Islam is incompatible with liberal democracy.
     
    In the ultimate sense of what liberal democracy means and demands - agreed. Ultimately, it is a question of demographics. I'm just not sure liberal democracy is compatible in the long run with a functioning society - this is all a fairly recent phenomenon in human history. We are all guinea pigs in an experiment - we'll see what happens once the dust clears.

    Liberal democracy endorses hyper-individualism - is that a good or bad thing - that is ultimately the question. Here is a great read from a Muslim perspective about the human need for 'tribes':
    https://convivencia.co/finding-our-tribe-in-a-modern-world-f4c2cfd981e4#.gzh1dfrm3


    No further immigration into the US from Muslim countries should be allowed.
     
    I can respect that - people got to implement policies that they feel are in the best interests of the nation as a whole - this is also ultimately a question of demographics.

    My best friend was over yesterday, we were having a hoot about how we should start a Muslim advocacy group for the declining White population called 'Save the Whites'. It's funny, but we were both saying it's a shame White people are declining, we want them to stick around, we don't want to be left in charge - we'll screw the whole enterprise up! We came to get away from the nonsense in our previous countries - that was the point - we don't want to transport that crap here. Please don't go!

    One Muslim comedian stated; you know why we're so afraid of being put in internment camps - we're going to have to be around Muslims all day!

    The analogy of the West is like a man who spent a great deal of time and effort setting up a great family business that would have been a jewel to pass onto his sons, but the dude was so busy, he forgot to have kids - and now he's got no one to bequeath it to but the idiot neighbor's kid.

    Muslims have our problems, West has its problems - it's just a question of which problems are more fundamental; lack of organization and aptitude or lack of meaning and purpose.

    Peace.

    , @geokat62

    Islam is incompatible with liberal democracy.
     
    I came across this very interesting article from Moment magazine. The magazine describes itself as "an independent voice in the Jewish American community."

    Was interested in getting people's views on the author's thesis that there are "many obvious parallels between Judaism’s legal system, known as halacha, and the Islamic legal order of sharia."

    The article, Why Jews Can’t Criticize Sharia Law, was written by Marshall Breger, a professor of law at the Columbus School of Law, The Catholic University of America:


    Similarities between Judaism and Islam are easy to see. Both are monotheistic religions for whom the Lord is One. Both are religions based on revelation. In both, law is central, and personal and social existence is governed by a divinely ordained legal system.

    There are also many obvious parallels between Judaism’s legal system, known as halacha, and the Islamic legal order of sharia. Both purport to instruct us in how to attend to every aspect of one’s life: one’s getting up and one’s going out, one’s sexual practice and one’s business practices. For some adherents of each, religious law also dictates political life, such as for whom to vote. Despite this kinship, there are those in the Jewish community who would condemn Islam and sharia, arguing that, unlike Judaism, Islam is not worthy of the protections of American law.

    David Yerushalmi, author of a model law banning sharia, argues that sharia differs from halacha because of its different “threat matrix.” Sharia, he tells us, requires faithful Muslims to impose Islamic law on the world “violently,” and its adherents should be charged with sedition against the United States. Rabbi Jon Hausman, a self-styled “warrior rabbi” from Massachusetts, tells us that in Judaism, unlike Islam, the law of the state is the law (in Aramaic, dina d’malchuta dina) so you don’t have to worry about such religious “imperialism.”

    These commentators’ understanding of both sharia and halacha is markedly defective.

    1. As Hausman surely knows, the reach of dina d’malchuta dina is debated among rabbinic commentators. Some limit the application of the Jewish legal system to property issues, others extend it to apply to all secular law that does not violate Jewish law. In any case, Hausman’s suggestion that halacha is a personal legal system—not relevant to civic life and politics—neglects both Jewish history and halacha itself. In Baghdad during the Middle Ages and in Poland during the time of the Council of the Four Lands, from the 16th to the 18th centuries, for instance, Jewish communities had their own courts, and Jewish law was enforced by secular authorities. And even today, thousands of Jews in both the United States and Israel look to rabbinic courts and halacha to resolve all manner of civil disputes.

    While clearly some Muslims do view sharia as a hegemonic political force, the vast majority of Muslims, especially those living in the West, view sharia no differently from the way Jews view the halachic system: as an overarching guide to ordering one’s life. Muslim jurists have always drawn on sharia to mandate that fellow Muslims obey the laws of the land in matters that sharia does not prohibit. In numerous instances (see Koran 5:11), Muslims are told to “honor their contracts” and so to honor the “social contract” represented by the law of the land. The Fiqh Council of North America, the leading interpreter of Islamic law in the United States, ruled as recently as September 2011 that “there is no inherent conflict between the normative values of Islam and the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights.”

    2. Daniel Pipes recounts in a 2009 article an incident in England when the Indian Muslim owner of an old age home near Manchester proposed to switch to serving only halal food in the facility. After residents complained, the owner retracted the policy. To Pipes, the owner’s desire to remove pork from the menu, even though apparently not implemented, is proof that Islam wishes to impose itself on all around it. But is this drive for “imperium” the only explanation?

    Indeed, Jewish law would have great sympathy for the position taken by the Indian entrepreneur. Though there are gray areas, Jewish law generally holds that one cannot benefit (or profit) from the sale of mixed milk and meat products. The legal compendium the Shulhan Aruch forbids Jews from selling non-kosher products on a regular basis (Yoreh De’ah 117.1). And anyone who has read Daphne Barak-Erez’s 2007 monograph Outlawed Pigs: Law, Religion, and Culture in Israel will appreciate the difficulties of commerce in pork products (or “white meat” as it is politely called) in Israel.

    3. Critics of Islam make much of the Shiite legal doctrine of taqquia and the related concept of kitman, which allow one to dissemble or evade by misdirection in order to save a life or community from imminent destruction (see Koran 16:106). For these critics, the takeaway is that Muslims lie when it is in their interest, so we cannot trust their promises or make treaties with them. But numerous Koranic references tell the believer to “mix not the truth with falsehood nor conceal the truth when you know what it is” (2:42). And further, “Conceal not [the truth]; for whomever conceals it is burdened with sin” (2:283).

    Again, we must look to Jewish law analogues. Even the Chofetz Chaim, the rabbinic scholar most associated with truth-telling, allows “white lies” when they will produce social and interpersonal peace. (No threat of imminent destruction is required.) Maimonides allows one to lie about one’s religion to save one’s own life. And does anyone remember the Marranos?

    My point is not to analyze the nuances of halacha, let alone sharia, but rather to underscore the inconsistency of attacking Islam for activities that Jewish law and practice would also permit, or even require.

    These broadside attacks on sharia are reminiscent of Jewish polemical literature after the rise of Islam in the seventh and eighth centuries designed to show Judaism as superior. Later scholars such as the Meiri, though, moved on from polemics to classify Islam as a monotheistic religion close to Judaism. While there are certainly fundamentalist interpretations of Islam that we rightfully find dangerous and deplorable, it is time that Jews in America go beyond “gotcha” polemics and stop treating sharia and Islam as illegitimate expressions of man’s search for the divine.

    http://www.momentmag.com/why-jews-cant-criticize-sharia-law/
     

    , @Jonathan Revusky

    Islam is incompatible with liberal democracy.
     
    Wow, what an original thinker you are!

    Well, not really. You're just repeating some canned talking point. For starters, for your statement to be meaningful, you would have to know what Islam is, and also what "liberal democracy" is. But you don't have a clue. I guess it's just that in your reptilian mind, Islam is something that's not good and "liberal democracy" is good.

    What you're saying is really about as meaningful as if I said: "A foobar is not compatible with a goobar." And everybody can then nod sagely as if I said something that makes sense. "Damned right. Our great goobar must be protected from the foobars."
    , @dfordoom

    Islam is incompatible with liberal democracy.
     
    Liberal democracy is incompatible with the long-term survival of the West. It was an interesting experiment but it's failed.
  159. @Andrei Martyanov

    most don’t even reach a million)…
     
    Well, it depends on a source. Realistically it exceeds million and, possibly, much more. But the issue here is not this:

    1. Thirty Year's War 1618-1648.
    2. Iran-Iraq War 1980-1988.

    Does a number 362 (years) say anything? I just want to forestall this ever popular "argument" of "Islam is a young religion". It, certainly, is not. And when I see today how these people slaughter each-other with a great passion, hey, I am so primitive--I just look at the outcomes. This is not to say that I agree with Ilana's point, nor do I condone Israel's behavior--far from it. But Muslims do have a reputation, so to speak, and it is not a good one, neocons and other Jews monopolizing (hogging) the problem with Islam regardless. I am not going to lie, the moment I hear Sharia my hand automatically reaches to my Ruger or, hands, to 12-gauge Mossberg, depending on the circumstances.

    Hey Smoothie,

    But Muslims do have a reputation, so to speak, and it is not a good one

    Yup – we have to turn the ship around on this one big time – and no, I don’t mean as part of some PR spin. We have to do some serious soul-searching as to why the extremist strain has been able to get this far out of control. A balance has to be struck; we don’t want to neuter our religion, but we need to get our youth on board with the tradition – ASAP. It is literally killing us.

    the moment I hear Sharia my hand automatically reaches to my Ruger

    I can understand that – makes total sense. Too many Muslims have a blood-thirsty mob mentality going on right now – there is a serious lack of mercy in their hearts and calm and reasoned thinking in their minds. They want to chop off hands – that is the problem – I find this frightening as well. For the traditional scholars, the more hands they save the better – until we get this mental and spiritual state back, we don’t deserve to be able to implement the Shariah.

    Peace.

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    Too many Muslims have a blood-thirsty mob mentality going on right now – there is a serious lack of mercy in their hearts and calm and reasoned thinking in their minds. They want to chop off hands – that is the problem – I find this frightening as well.
     
    The Koran demands that all Muslims emulate the life of Mohamed. Mohamed was blood thirsty and so are the blood thirsty Muslims you mention here.
  160. @Karl
    > allows Palestinians the right to resist, with force, illegal occupation.

    you prefer the slow-motion war, as being advantageous to you.

    but you can't always get what you want, shipmate.

    Spain was liberated from Islam yesterday; Rakhine is being liberated from Islam today - and Jerusalem will be liberated from Islam tomorrow.

    Hey Karl,

    but you can’t always get what you want, shipmate.

    True that.

    Rakhine is being liberated from Islam today

    Oh, you mean the Daesh-style ethnic cleansing campaign:
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/burma-rohingya-muslim-babies-children-slaughtered-knives-massacre-genocide-un-warns-a7561711.html

    OK – I guess some call it liberation. I mean, it is our fault – lack of collective will on the part of the Ummah to do anything about it. It’s a shame actually, we have a bunch of Chechens and Uzbeks tied up committing lunacy in Iraq and Syria. If they had their heads on straight they would flood in to Rakhine and set up a safety zone for the Rohingya – they make great shock troops and would give the Burmese military a run for their money.

    and Jerusalem will be liberated from Islam tomorrow

    It already has been by the fact that there are gay pride parades held in the Holy City in which the prophets walked:
    http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.732700

    Do you seriously think that would happen if Islam was in charge? But we have time – ultimately it’s in His hands – the liberation of Jerusalem will come at the hands of the worthy, and we are proving ourselves to be unworthy at the moment. The names of Umar ibn al-Khattab (ra) and Salahuddin (ra) are not going to be followed by some chump from the PA.

    Peace.

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  161. @Art
    How many Jewish kids do you know? Or have spoken to who fear others? No Jewish kid I know – and I am fairly sure I know a few more than you do – live in fear of others.

    If you and yours do not fear - why are you here - why the hasbara legions - why the instant whining about WWII - why the massive Israeli army - why 200 nukes - why the coercion of congress - why the takeover of the media et al?

    Your actions speak louder then your words – you Jews are in a constant defensive mode - your words belie your true feelings of fear – your confidence is a mile wide, but an inch thick.

    As you traumatize your kids with fear, you pump them with a hateful vile bravado – an intolerable bravado you grownup Jews are just too stupid to give up.

    Peace --- Art

    p.s. Shame on the Jew for what they do to their youth – all that potential forever wallowing in hate. So sad!

    As to the reasons for my presence here, I imagine it is somewhat different from that for which you lurk around. Actually why do you lurk around? There, you now have a perfect basis to go on a missionary’s soliloquy!

    Why do the U.S./Russia/China/India/France and others have nuclear weapons? And now your fervent wish is for Iran to possess a load as well! Sorry, can’t have that.

    Are you really so oblivious to reality as to believe that a few random lachrymose young skirts, featured on videos you and Robin seem to preserve like aging vinegar; endorse and offer with the unflinching zeal of a preacher, encapsulate the upbringing, disposition, and attitude of an entire population?

    I suppose putting it down to your respective memberships in that special race of beings so little modeled after the accepted lines of cogency, all this is laughable.

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    Why do the U.S./Russia/China/India/France and others have nuclear weapons? And now your fervent wish is for Iran to possess a load as well! Sorry, can’t have that.
     
    You forgot to add Israel. Question. Why can't Iran have nuclear weapons? Every country needs to do whatever is necessary to defend itself from the bullies of the world. Iran has perfect right to have nuclear weapons, since she is surrounded by hostile countries who are constantly threatening to bomb it.
    , @Art
    Why do the U.S./Russia/China/India/France and others have nuclear weapons? And now your fervent wish is for Iran to possess a load as well! Sorry, can’t have that.

    Sam, are you ok – are you feeling well?

    That is hasbara boilerplate – we expect much better from you!

    Say man' - Hope all is good with you.

    Art
  162. @iffen
    People like Mike and Stonehands know what I’m talking about.

    I do now as well.

    I am a pessimist, but I have an irrational optimistic streak that fights its way through on occasion and interferes with the meager thinking process that I have been blessed/cursed with.

    I have gone to the other side, Talha.

    Islam is incompatible with liberal democracy.

    No further immigration into the US from Muslim countries should be allowed.

    Hey iffen,

    Islam is incompatible with liberal democracy.

    In the ultimate sense of what liberal democracy means and demands – agreed. Ultimately, it is a question of demographics. I’m just not sure liberal democracy is compatible in the long run with a functioning society – this is all a fairly recent phenomenon in human history. We are all guinea pigs in an experiment – we’ll see what happens once the dust clears.

    Liberal democracy endorses hyper-individualism – is that a good or bad thing – that is ultimately the question. Here is a great read from a Muslim perspective about the human need for ‘tribes’:
    https://convivencia.co/finding-our-tribe-in-a-modern-world-f4c2cfd981e4#.gzh1dfrm3

    No further immigration into the US from Muslim countries should be allowed.

    I can respect that – people got to implement policies that they feel are in the best interests of the nation as a whole – this is also ultimately a question of demographics.

    My best friend was over yesterday, we were having a hoot about how we should start a Muslim advocacy group for the declining White population called ‘Save the Whites’. It’s funny, but we were both saying it’s a shame White people are declining, we want them to stick around, we don’t want to be left in charge – we’ll screw the whole enterprise up! We came to get away from the nonsense in our previous countries – that was the point – we don’t want to transport that crap here. Please don’t go!

    One Muslim comedian stated; you know why we’re so afraid of being put in internment camps – we’re going to have to be around Muslims all day!

    The analogy of the West is like a man who spent a great deal of time and effort setting up a great family business that would have been a jewel to pass onto his sons, but the dude was so busy, he forgot to have kids – and now he’s got no one to bequeath it to but the idiot neighbor’s kid.

    Muslims have our problems, West has its problems – it’s just a question of which problems are more fundamental; lack of organization and aptitude or lack of meaning and purpose.

    Peace.

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  163. @iffen
    People like Mike and Stonehands know what I’m talking about.

    I do now as well.

    I am a pessimist, but I have an irrational optimistic streak that fights its way through on occasion and interferes with the meager thinking process that I have been blessed/cursed with.

    I have gone to the other side, Talha.

    Islam is incompatible with liberal democracy.

    No further immigration into the US from Muslim countries should be allowed.

    Islam is incompatible with liberal democracy.

    I came across this very interesting article from Moment magazine. The magazine describes itself as “an independent voice in the Jewish American community.”

    Was interested in getting people’s views on the author’s thesis that there are “many obvious parallels between Judaism’s legal system, known as halacha, and the Islamic legal order of sharia.”

    The article, Why Jews Can’t Criticize Sharia Law, was written by Marshall Breger, a professor of law at the Columbus School of Law, The Catholic University of America:

    [MORE]

    Similarities between Judaism and Islam are easy to see. Both are monotheistic religions for whom the Lord is One. Both are religions based on revelation. In both, law is central, and personal and social existence is governed by a divinely ordained legal system.

    There are also many obvious parallels between Judaism’s legal system, known as halacha, and the Islamic legal order of sharia. Both purport to instruct us in how to attend to every aspect of one’s life: one’s getting up and one’s going out, one’s sexual practice and one’s business practices. For some adherents of each, religious law also dictates political life, such as for whom to vote. Despite this kinship, there are those in the Jewish community who would condemn Islam and sharia, arguing that, unlike Judaism, Islam is not worthy of the protections of American law.

    David Yerushalmi, author of a model law banning sharia, argues that sharia differs from halacha because of its different “threat matrix.” Sharia, he tells us, requires faithful Muslims to impose Islamic law on the world “violently,” and its adherents should be charged with sedition against the United States. Rabbi Jon Hausman, a self-styled “warrior rabbi” from Massachusetts, tells us that in Judaism, unlike Islam, the law of the state is the law (in Aramaic, dina d’malchuta dina) so you don’t have to worry about such religious “imperialism.”

    These commentators’ understanding of both sharia and halacha is markedly defective.

    1. As Hausman surely knows, the reach of dina d’malchuta dina is debated among rabbinic commentators. Some limit the application of the Jewish legal system to property issues, others extend it to apply to all secular law that does not violate Jewish law. In any case, Hausman’s suggestion that halacha is a personal legal system—not relevant to civic life and politics—neglects both Jewish history and halacha itself. In Baghdad during the Middle Ages and in Poland during the time of the Council of the Four Lands, from the 16th to the 18th centuries, for instance, Jewish communities had their own courts, and Jewish law was enforced by secular authorities. And even today, thousands of Jews in both the United States and Israel look to rabbinic courts and halacha to resolve all manner of civil disputes.

    While clearly some Muslims do view sharia as a hegemonic political force, the vast majority of Muslims, especially those living in the West, view sharia no differently from the way Jews view the halachic system: as an overarching guide to ordering one’s life. Muslim jurists have always drawn on sharia to mandate that fellow Muslims obey the laws of the land in matters that sharia does not prohibit. In numerous instances (see Koran 5:11), Muslims are told to “honor their contracts” and so to honor the “social contract” represented by the law of the land. The Fiqh Council of North America, the leading interpreter of Islamic law in the United States, ruled as recently as September 2011 that “there is no inherent conflict between the normative values of Islam and the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights.”

    2. Daniel Pipes recounts in a 2009 article an incident in England when the Indian Muslim owner of an old age home near Manchester proposed to switch to serving only halal food in the facility. After residents complained, the owner retracted the policy. To Pipes, the owner’s desire to remove pork from the menu, even though apparently not implemented, is proof that Islam wishes to impose itself on all around it. But is this drive for “imperium” the only explanation?

    Indeed, Jewish law would have great sympathy for the position taken by the Indian entrepreneur. Though there are gray areas, Jewish law generally holds that one cannot benefit (or profit) from the sale of mixed milk and meat products. The legal compendium the Shulhan Aruch forbids Jews from selling non-kosher products on a regular basis (Yoreh De’ah 117.1). And anyone who has read Daphne Barak-Erez’s 2007 monograph Outlawed Pigs: Law, Religion, and Culture in Israel will appreciate the difficulties of commerce in pork products (or “white meat” as it is politely called) in Israel.

    3. Critics of Islam make much of the Shiite legal doctrine of taqquia and the related concept of kitman, which allow one to dissemble or evade by misdirection in order to save a life or community from imminent destruction (see Koran 16:106). For these critics, the takeaway is that Muslims lie when it is in their interest, so we cannot trust their promises or make treaties with them. But numerous Koranic references tell the believer to “mix not the truth with falsehood nor conceal the truth when you know what it is” (2:42). And further, “Conceal not [the truth]; for whomever conceals it is burdened with sin” (2:283).

    Again, we must look to Jewish law analogues. Even the Chofetz Chaim, the rabbinic scholar most associated with truth-telling, allows “white lies” when they will produce social and interpersonal peace. (No threat of imminent destruction is required.) Maimonides allows one to lie about one’s religion to save one’s own life. And does anyone remember the Marranos?

    My point is not to analyze the nuances of halacha, let alone sharia, but rather to underscore the inconsistency of attacking Islam for activities that Jewish law and practice would also permit, or even require.

    These broadside attacks on sharia are reminiscent of Jewish polemical literature after the rise of Islam in the seventh and eighth centuries designed to show Judaism as superior. Later scholars such as the Meiri, though, moved on from polemics to classify Islam as a monotheistic religion close to Judaism. While there are certainly fundamentalist interpretations of Islam that we rightfully find dangerous and deplorable, it is time that Jews in America go beyond “gotcha” polemics and stop treating sharia and Islam as illegitimate expressions of man’s search for the divine.

    http://www.momentmag.com/why-jews-cant-criticize-sharia-law/

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    Excellent find Geo! This is what we have advocated from the beginning - parallel legal systems that allow people to apply the laws they have belief in to their own communities. This is what was done from the time of the Companions (ra) to this day - for instance, the parallel Shariah courts in places like Malaysia.

    These commentators’ understanding of both sharia and halacha is markedly defective.
     
    And I would say deceiving and self-serving.

    Here is a good read on the subject from not-too-distant Morocco ('Straddling Two Laws: Jewish and Islamic Courts in 19th-Century Morocco'):
    "This doubled document encapsulates how Jews lived their lives straddling two sets of laws, with one foot in the system of Jewish courts and the other in the parallel system of Islamic courts. Jewish law thrived in 19th-century Morocco, as in much of the Islamic world; Jews had the right to adjudicate intra-Jewish civil cases in their own courts. But Jews’ legal autonomy did not mean that they were legally isolated. On the contrary, Jews’ legal lives were largely lived in others’ courts, especially in shari’a courts that applied Islamic law. Shari’a courts held jurisdiction over all cases involving Muslims. Since Jews’ commercial endeavors involved Muslims, they had reason to visit Islamic courts on a regular basis. Moreover, Jews voluntarily used Islamic courts even for intraJewish cases, which fell under the jurisdiction of Jewish courts. Jews moved frequently and relatively easily between Morocco’s Jewish and Islamic legal institutions."
    http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/p/pod/dod-idx/straddling-two-laws-jewish-and-islamic-courts-in-19th.pdf?c=fia;idno=11879367.2013.006

    We believe this solves a hell of a lot of conflicts. One size does not fit all.

    Peace.

    , @Sam Shama
    Marshall Breger tells us nothing greatly insightful. That Islamic law derives non-insignificantly from the Jewish Halacha [for that matter so do many branches of Christian religious law, especially as practiced in the ME, Evangelicals in the US etc] should not surprise anyone.

    Notice how he qualifies that "thousands of Jews in both the United States and Israel look to rabbinic courts and Halacha to resolve all manner of civil disputes.". Yes thousands, but not millions nor the entire population, and in impact no different than thousands of Americans resolving disputes in the courts of Judge Judy and the likes. Furthermore, Halachic law is superseded by the secular common law of the nation, both in the U.S. and Israel. There are no exceptions.

    I can't speak with any authority, but Sharia from what I've read and understood requires the faithful to act on a principle which seeks to bring all men under its umbrella. Halacha obviously does not.

    Which brings us to the most critical difference; that of the non-proselytising structure of Judaism, one which rather resists conversion into the faith, making the process extremely difficult for anyone but the ablest and the most deeply sincere of conviction and intent.

  164. @Karl
    23 MEexpert > They had Christ killed

    ...God the Father didn't exactly cut Jesus a set of orders reciting: "Go to Jerusalem on Spring Break with your carpentry earnings, and fuck lots of hot Midianite chicks", did He?

    Jesus wanted the suicide mission - he got the suicide mission.

    Jesus wanted the suicide mission – he got the suicide mission.

    So now you want to blame Jesus for letting Jews kill him. I don’t know if you are Jewish but that is what Jews’ exit strategy is. Do bad things and blame the victim. They sucked the blood out of Germans. When Hitler retaliated he became the scapegoat. Similarly, it is the Palestinian’s fault that they are being displaced or killed in the Middle East.

    Hey Ilana Mercer, I have a solution. Let us take all the Jews, including their supporters, and send them back to Israel. No Jews in the US, no terrorism problem. America will be safe again. Result will be a period of peace and prosperity, the likes of which Americans have never seen before. I can just imagine what a beautiful country this will be without the likes of Shumers, Kristols, Kagans, Sabans, Adelsons, Soros, and all the neocons.

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    @No Jews in the US

    But who would then tell the Americans what to do, what to think, whom to love and whom to hate?
  165. Are you really so oblivious to reality as to believe that a few random lachrymose young skirts, featured on videos you and Robin seem to preserve like aging vinegar; endorse and offer with the unflinching zeal of a preacher, encapsulate the upbringing, disposition, and attitude of an entire population?

    After reading a few haaretz articles, it appears the consequences of sending off high school students to auschwitz are being hotly debated:

    What Really Happens on Israeli Students’ Holocaust Trips to Poland?

    http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.718360

    Why Israelis Are Refusing to Send Their Kids on School Trips to Auschwitz

    http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.717866

    Leading Israeli Principal Warns Annual Trip to Concentration Camps Fuel Extreme Nationalism

    http://time.com/4285002/herzilya-gymnasium-cancels-camp-trips/

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    For those too busy to read the articles I linked to, I should mention what the motivation is for revisiting the policy of sending high school students to Poland. It is a very disturbing trend taking hold of Israeli society. Ironically enough, it is a fear of fascism spreading throughout their society and taking firmer root... btw - the statistics they cite are alarming.
  166. @Sam Shama
    As to the reasons for my presence here, I imagine it is somewhat different from that for which you lurk around. Actually why do you lurk around? There, you now have a perfect basis to go on a missionary's soliloquy!

    Why do the U.S./Russia/China/India/France and others have nuclear weapons? And now your fervent wish is for Iran to possess a load as well! Sorry, can't have that.

    Are you really so oblivious to reality as to believe that a few random lachrymose young skirts, featured on videos you and Robin seem to preserve like aging vinegar; endorse and offer with the unflinching zeal of a preacher, encapsulate the upbringing, disposition, and attitude of an entire population?

    I suppose putting it down to your respective memberships in that special race of beings so little modeled after the accepted lines of cogency, all this is laughable.

    Why do the U.S./Russia/China/India/France and others have nuclear weapons? And now your fervent wish is for Iran to possess a load as well! Sorry, can’t have that.

    You forgot to add Israel. Question. Why can’t Iran have nuclear weapons? Every country needs to do whatever is necessary to defend itself from the bullies of the world. Iran has perfect right to have nuclear weapons, since she is surrounded by hostile countries who are constantly threatening to bomb it.

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    [Question. Why can’t Iran have nuclear weapons?]

    Are you familiar with the notion of offensive realism? The world never has and never will operate from the principle you seem to suggest, one which reduces to "Papa why can't I have a blunderbuss as well?". The answer to that childish demand is obvious.
  167. @geokat62

    Are you really so oblivious to reality as to believe that a few random lachrymose young skirts, featured on videos you and Robin seem to preserve like aging vinegar; endorse and offer with the unflinching zeal of a preacher, encapsulate the upbringing, disposition, and attitude of an entire population?
     
    After reading a few haaretz articles, it appears the consequences of sending off high school students to auschwitz are being hotly debated:

    What Really Happens on Israeli Students’ Holocaust Trips to Poland?

    http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.718360


    Why Israelis Are Refusing to Send Their Kids on School Trips to Auschwitz

    http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.717866


    Leading Israeli Principal Warns Annual Trip to Concentration Camps Fuel Extreme Nationalism

    http://time.com/4285002/herzilya-gymnasium-cancels-camp-trips/

    For those too busy to read the articles I linked to, I should mention what the motivation is for revisiting the policy of sending high school students to Poland. It is a very disturbing trend taking hold of Israeli society. Ironically enough, it is a fear of fascism spreading throughout their society and taking firmer root… btw – the statistics they cite are alarming.

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  168. @MEexpert

    Your degeneracy is showing. You are Tahlas white knight. Are you Jewish, involved with Asians, a Hilhag grrl? I’ll wait for Tahla to reply. It’s a discussion between him and me. When you do something brave, like burn a Koran among Muslims, let me know. Two castratos against one girl, and you still can’t defeat me.
     
    Typical losers behavior. When losing start calling names. Furthermore, this is an open forum. Anyone can comment on any post.

    Now, let me ask you some questions. Are you Jewish? If you are, tell me who is a Semite? Also why does criticizing Israel constitute anti-Semiticism?

    Burning the Qur'an is really an act of bravery. How many Qur'ans have you burned or are you a coward?

    Burning the Qur’an is really an act of bravery.

    It is? What is brave about it?

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    You misunderstood me. That was sarcasm. Attilathehen in her post said to do a brave act such as burn a Koran (sic). "Burning the Qur'an is really an act of bravery" was a question for her.