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Spring in Washington would not be complete without the city’s famous cherry blossoms and the annual “Policy Conference” meeting of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC). The 15,000 plus participants began arriving on Sunday and will be here at the Walter E. Washington Convention Center until tomorrow morning, at which point many of them will descend on Congress like a swarm of ravenous locusts to make sure that our Solons on the Potomac are doing what is right by Israel.

AIPAC is the most powerful foreign policy lobby in Washington. Its annual budget exceeds $77 million plus it has an endowment of $100 million. It has nearly 400 employees and also supports local chapters and initiatives throughout the United States. What do all those employees do? They mostly lobby Congress and increasingly state legislatures shamelessly on behalf of a foreign country that has little in the way of actual common interests with the United States. When anything happens in the Middle East, AIPAC’s drones get to work, drafting up position papers detailing the Israeli position which are then placed by runners on the desks of every single congressman within a matter of hours. The congressmen, too lazy to engage in any real inquiry into what is going on, rely on the AIPAC research. That is, lamentably, how our system works. And if the congressman ignores the “expert” advice, AIPAC and its friends makes sure he or she has a strong, well-funded opponent in the next election, someone who knows how to say “I love Israel” without moving his or her lips.

The current speakers’ list for the 2017 conference includes many of the leading political parasites that have long made the nation’s Capitol a “must miss” destination. I will not attempt to summarize what Michael Pence, Mitch McConnell, Chuck Schumer, Paul Ryan, Nancy Pelosi, Kevin McCarthy, Steny Hoyer and others said on Sunday night and yesterday as it was all basically the same speech, declaring undying love for Israel and the Jewish people and pledging that the United States will always have “Israel’s back,” whatever that is supposed to mean. Twenty-nine congressmen were featured as attendees on the AIPAC website but more than two thirds of the entire Congress is expected to appear for a photo op while muttering something about that apparently vulnerable “back.” Or do they mean backside? Whatever. I won’t name any more of the specific panderers as the reader probably already has a good idea who they are.

And, of course, the redoubtable Professor Alan Dershowitz was also a featured speaker, a wonderful human being who recently told us goyim that Jewish power in this country is both deserved and granted by Jehovah. It is interesting how Jews among themselves boast about their power but if a gentile so much as suggests the same thing it is anti-Semitism.

There were also two certifiable loonies among the speakers, apart from Dershowitz. They were Nikki Haley, America’s stalwart U.N. Ambassador, and Stephen Harper, until recently Prime Minister of Canada. Those who are following Haley’s meteoric career are probably aware that while governor of South Carolina she took the lead on making her state the first in the nation to legislate against the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement (BDS) which supports peaceful pressure on Israel to abandon its apartheid policies when dealing with its own Arab citizens as well as the Palestinians on the West Bank and Gaza. Such legislation is an abrogation of First Amendment rights and will likely prove to be unconstitutional if it ever gets to the Supreme Court, but Haley clearly believed then and believes now that nothing is too good when it comes to Israel. Since going to the U.N., Haley has spoken more about Israel than about any possible American interests, pledging full support and protection for Netanyahu and his government. She blocked the appointment of a well-qualified Palestinian to a senior U.N. position purely because he was Palestinian. Ignorant of nearly everything that goes on in the world outside the U.S., it might be said that she is so horribly inept that she actually makes her ghastly predecessor Samantha Power look good.

Stephen Harper is another certified knee jerker when it comes to Israel. A fundamentalist Christian who believes the second coming of Christ is imminent, while Prime Minister he led what was possibly the world’s most pro-Israeli government. Harper described Israel as a light that “…burns bright, upheld by the universal principles of all civilized nations – freedom, democracy justice.” He has also said “I will defend Israel whatever the cost” to Canada, an interesting proposition for those who might have believed that his duty was to protect his own country and advance its interests. Harper, who has received awards from both Canadian and American Jewish organizations, personally endorsed Israel’s bombing of Lebanon in 2006, calling it “measured” even when Canadian peacekeepers were killed in the bombardment.

Paul Kagame, President of the Republic of Rwanda, also spoke at the conference. Why? I don’t know but it probably has something to do with characteristically liberal American Jews pulling their usual doublespeak trick, trying to pretend that fundamentally racist Israelis are not actually racist by inviting a black man to speak at a pro-Israel conference. I’ll bet he was paid handsomely to do so.

And former British Prime Minister Tony Blair, perhaps suggesting that love for Israel is truly international, spoke and was also probably paid handsomely to do so as he an incorporated brand. Between 2007 and 2015 Blair was the “special envoy” representing (and personally profiting from) the Quartet seeking to bring about a peace agreement between Israel and Palestine. Marwan Bishara explained in The New York Times: “A natural panderer to power, Mr. Blair morphed his complicity with the United States over Iraq into a new complicity with Israel. The assumption that operates is that schmoozing with the powerful is the only way to make a difference. So while Mr. Blair worked to reform the Palestinian Authority’s finances, security and governance, he turned a blind eye as Israel expanded its illegal settlements and tightened its hold on the autonomous territories. In the process, Mr. Blair helped render the Palestinian Authority more, not less, dependent on Israel. Instead of protecting the Palestinians from the Israeli settlers, Palestinian security forces have since been protecting Israeli settlers from Palestinian resentment.” Blair also attacked the Palestinian leadership’s decision to seek United Nations recognition of the Palestinian state, calling it “deeply confrontational.” Bishara dismisses him as “Israel’s puppy.” As I am extremely fond of dogs, I would modify that to read “Israel and now AIPAC’s butt boy.”

The avenging angel Benjamin Netanyahu also addressed the conference by satellite link and yet again described the threat posed by Iran. The satellite visit was somewhat surprising, as he usually likes to drop by in person so he can pick up his annual tribute money from the U.S. Treasury. This year’s Danegeld will be $3.8 billion thanks to President Barack Obama, guaranteed for ten years, and there will be, of course, various supplements as the Israelis discover things that they just need to have to stave off Netanyahu’s wily Persians and fight the rising tide of anti-Semitism. A rising tide, which we have just learned, was carried out by an Israeli Jew who also holds U.S. citizenship, which again leads to the question why so many Israelis are allowed to have American passports even though they live in Israel and serve in the Israeli Army?

And, of course, Persia was an integral part of the conference as it is tough to want to destroy the entire Muslim Middle East without having a really formidable enemy to focus on. Iran fits the bill quite nicely, but speakers were also prone to skewer those terrible Ay-rabs who just do not want peace. And the Israelis settlements are not a problem, nosiree! The theme of this year’s gathering was, in fact, “Many voices, one mission,” the mission presumably being the expansion of Israel so it will stretch east to west from the Nile to the River Jordan and north to the Turkish border. The indigenous inhabitants will have to be removed, but as they are mostly terrorists that should be okay with the world community and Donald Trump.

And with the 15,000 AIPAC attendees. The AIPAC gathering is really all about subverting Congress, so it is a good thing that a large majority of Congressmen were attending, making the necessary bowing and scraping that much easier. And they will enjoy it even more when the 15,000 AIPAC loyalists descend on Capitol Hill as the conference ends to make sure that Congress is listening. Democracy in action is great, isn’t it?

Even though I jest about the absurdity of thousands of Americans who appeared to be confused about what country they actually live in gathering to honor a foreign country that has an army that acts like a terrorist group, does not believe in equal rights even for its own citizens and bans visitors who do not accept its more questionable policies, the AIPAC people are not a joke. They are a deadly serious threat to our own democracy and way of life as they have figured out how to use money and the power that money buys to leverage and corrupt the system in such a way as to produce wars and turmoil that have blown back on the United States and made every American citizen both less safe and poorer.

I have written and spoken before how AIPAC is ultimately doomed as Israel and its basic policies towards Arabs and its neighbors are unsustainable both from a human rights and practical point of view. But that does not mean that it is going away any time soon. The Israel Lobby has the U.S. Congress and media by the throat and the Trump administration promises to be completely uncritical in its relationship with Netanyahu and whatever homicidal kleptocrat might be in line to succeed him. Ms. Haley and her peers in state governments have successfully pushed legislation in a majority of states that punishes anyone who tries to boycott Israeli institutions or products. On university campuses non-violent criticism of Israel is being suppressed. There is also increasing pressure to define any criticism of Israel as anti-Semitism and therefore a hate crime, modeled on similar legislation in Canada, Britain and France.

In a number of European countries it is a crime to challenge the standard narrative on “the Holocaust.” Why should that be? You can in much of Europe stand in a town square and say horrible things about your own country but if you criticize the factual basis of one particular “event” that took place in the 1940s you will go to jail.

So hang on to your hats, my fellow Americans. AIPAC is not going away and it will be doing all it can to keep neighboring Syria a cauldron of death and destruction while also calling for war on Iran. And AIPAC as well as the other bits and pieces of the Israel Lobby will have many Quislings in the Congress and U.S. media who will echo whatever they propose, even if it does grave damage to American interests. Meanwhile the billions and billions of dollars will continue to flow from an increasingly straitened United States to a wealthy Israel. At its conference AIPAC announced the latest windfall from America, applauding “… the U.S. House of Representatives for significantly bolstering its support of U.S.-Israel missile defense cooperation in the FY 2017 defense appropriations bill. The House appropriated $600.7 million for U.S.-Israel missile defense programs.” That is on top of everything else Israel gets. Will it ever end? I don’t know.

 
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  1. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Just how did Jews come up with such silly hairstyles?

    I mean, how can any woman be attracted to that stuff?

    But then, why are so many male-hair-styles in so much cultures ridiculous?

    I never got the samurai hair style.

    https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-f904b3eced26cfbe72e918d70a441e91-c

    Most guys go out of their way NOT to be bald. Japanese decided bald is good.

    Ironically, some skinhead girls have hairstyles like them Jews in the photo.

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    • Replies: @ThereisaGod
    When you come across these guys I have found that they won't look you in the eye, especially if you smile at them. I suppose when you are taught that we gentiles are a different species to Jews (and, to quote The Talmud, "not human") such intercourse must create unbearable cognitive dissonance in the mind and heart of such poor brainwashed drones.

    But we must remember. They regard themselves as being at war with the goyim. We only exist to be dominated and enslaved by Jews (according to Orthodox teaching).

    That's why a horrible prayer (making void any FUTURE promises made to gentiles) like the Kol Nidre, said on Yom Kippur, slips very naturally into the box called 'Jewish Spirituality'.

    KOL NIDRE ~ JEWISH PRAYER TO ABSOLVE VOWS
    "ALL VOWS, OBLIGATIONS, OATHS OR ANTHEMS, PLEDGES OF ALL NAMES, WHICH WE HAVE VOWED, SWORN, DEVOTED, OR BOUND OURSELVES TO, FROM THIS DAY OF ATONEMENT, UNTIL THE NEXT DAY OF ATONEMENT (WHOSE ARRIVAL WE HOPE FOR IN HAPPINESS) WE REPENT, AFOREHAND, OF THEM ALL, THEY SHALL ALL BE DEEMED ABSOLVED, FORGIVEN, ANNULLED, VOID AND MADE OF NO EFFECT; THEY SHALL NOT BE BINDING, NOR HAVE ANY POWER; THE VOWS SHALL NOT BE RECKONED AS VOWS, THE OBLIGATIONS SHALL NOT BE OBLIGATORY,
    NOR THE OATHS CONSIDERED AS OATHS."
    ~ THE KOL NIDRE
    , @nsa
    They are silly. Jooies have a faggot gene unknown in other races which lends a tinge of female stealth and cunning to all their endeavors. Very high rate of homosex also, feeding into their generalized persecution complex.
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  2. So hang on to your hats…

    Yer shorts and wallets too. When will ‘Merkins ever get a clue and enough ‘nads to fix the problem?

    Utterly disgusting.

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    • Replies: @Talha
    Hey JS,

    When...?
     
    Perhaps never, but it doesn't really matter in the long run, as Mr. Giraldi points out:

    Israel and its basic policies towards Arabs and its neighbors are unsustainable both from a human rights and practical point of view.
     
    The world moves along with or without us - the existence of the Soviet Union was extremely useful for many in our state apparatus. Its eventual collapse was fairly swift and caught many by surprise - policies and priorities had to be re-evaluated. If our politicians, the sociopathic whores that they are, will simply queue in line for the next highest bidder.

    Peace.
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  3. Chris 07 says:

    Whenever possible, I won’t vote for candidates supported by AIPAC.

    If people would join me in that, then the ‘power’ of AIPAC would evaporate. When it becomes true that AIPAC support is the kiss of death to a politician, then AIPAC will be powerless. All we have to do is to Just Say No.

    AIPAC wants to bankrupt America. We are $Trillions in debt and running a huge deficit. We can’t afford to give a regional superpower $Billions a year. If paying for the defense of NATO is a bad idea, then why is paying for the defense of Israel a good idea?

    And, whether its Israel or Montenegro, what they are really asking for is the blood of American children. Neither is worth a single drop. Just Say No.

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    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
    that is pretty much every politician :) both reds and blues have to kneel before the AIPAC alter before they can assume office :)
    , @NoseytheDuke
    I'm sure there are millions of Americans who would agree with you but there's a whole weekend of sports to watch, after that there's WWE and have you seen the latest pics of Kim's ass? Wow!
    , @Ram
    AIPAC and associates will always control the US, aided and abetted by the likes of Pelosi and McCain. The sheep will be kept well under control.

    Today Google is at the receiving end of it's ire, surreptitiously.

    , @jconsley
    Why are Americans denied the information necessary for citizens to be knowledgeable about AIPAC and its tactics? This has been going on since the sixties. Fulbright held hearings about U.S. tax dollars given to Israel and then laundered and returned as campaign contributions for Congress. Consequently, U.S. citizens are taxed so that Israelis have U.S. tax dollars to buy influence in the U.S. Congress. Moreover, there is something terribly wrong when Americans who disagree with "Israeli values" are never allowed or represented on the "news media" to voice dissent. Most American citizens do not share these Israeli values of: (1) not recognizing and abiding by International laws, (2) capturing territory and removing or forcing indigent citizens from their land and use of water/and resources, (3) enforcing apartheid laws in captured territory, (4) rejecting U.N. Resolutions and descriptions of war crimes and (5) refusal to declare borders for the State of Israel. What are the exact borders of Israel that U.S Senators and Representatives recognize to be defended? In agreeing that the U.S. will use its U.N. veto power at Israel's request and for its sole benefit rather than foremost for U.S. interests, such acquiescence actually subjugates 330 million U.S. citizens' interests and values to those of 6 million Israelis.
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  4. wayfarer says:

    Israel, the Trust Fund Nation.

    AIPAC = American Israel (self-serving) public affairs committee

    https://concisepolitics.com/2017/03/02/aipac-american-israel-public-affairs-committee-zionist-mafia-tool-used-to-run-american-government-decision-making/

    Three days undercover at the Israel lobby’s biggest policy conference.

    http://www.alternet.org/grayzone-project/three-days-undercover-israel-lobbys-biggest-policy-conference

    For facts regarding AIPAC, query Global Research.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/

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  5. chris says:

    In all historical discussions of pogroms, this is the part that’s left out, the capturing of nations for their own purposes. Sometimes a nation is coopted toward more liberty (the US in the 60s), sometimes toward more oppression (as currently), the point is that it does not much matter which it is as long as their interests are served. And it’s too bad that they always tear out that page out of the history books, which explains the rise before the fall, because the two are, unfortunately for all, inseparable. Thanks for writing that page, Phil

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    • Replies: @Alden
    In the state/foreign affairs departments archives of every Western European country, Canada. The US, Mexico, Brazil, Argentina and other S Amerucan countries are reports about the non progroms allegedly going on between 1880 and 1917. The reports were written by diplomats working in Russia who knew the progrom propaganda was false.

    The reports all stated that there were no progroms. The reports all stated that the progrom propaganda was spread so that European and Americans would welcome Jewish immigrants and give them assistance in settling. Many of the reports mentioned that the purpose was to con wealthy European and American Jews into helping them resettle when they arrived.
    , @Druid
    Very true!
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  6. @Chris 07
    Whenever possible, I won't vote for candidates supported by AIPAC.

    If people would join me in that, then the 'power' of AIPAC would evaporate. When it becomes true that AIPAC support is the kiss of death to a politician, then AIPAC will be powerless. All we have to do is to Just Say No.

    AIPAC wants to bankrupt America. We are $Trillions in debt and running a huge deficit. We can't afford to give a regional superpower $Billions a year. If paying for the defense of NATO is a bad idea, then why is paying for the defense of Israel a good idea?

    And, whether its Israel or Montenegro, what they are really asking for is the blood of American children. Neither is worth a single drop. Just Say No.

    that is pretty much every politician :) both reds and blues have to kneel before the AIPAC alter before they can assume office :)

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    • Replies: @Eustace Tilley (not)
    Not-so-very-astute observer:

    Make that "AIPAC altar". "Alter" means "to change". The marble table at the front of a traditional Catholic or Orthodox church is an "altar".

    Now you know why English teachers are not-so-very fond of Spelchek software: it gives semi-literates a false sense of mastery.

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  7. Wally says:

    ‘Join the US army, Fight for Israel
    It’s revealing that Zionist support Israeli immigration laws which specify JEWS ONLY, while those same Zionists demand massive 3rd world immigration into the US & Europe.

    It’s also revealing that we don’t see Zionists criticizing Israel’s very real WALL.

    Fake News Versus No News
    How Russia is pilloried while real news about Israel goes unreported

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/fake-news-versus-no-news/

    Israel interferes in our politics all the time, and it’s never a scandal.
    “The Israeli interference in our politics is the conspiracy in plain sight that no one in the media talks about because they’re too implicated themselves.”

    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2017/02/philip-weiss-israel-interferes-in-our-politics-all-the-time-and-its-never-a-scandal/

    Jew arrested for dozens of fake ‘hate crimes’

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/23/israeli-jew-19-arrested-antisemitic-hate-crime-hoax-spree/

    Israel removes Africans

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/toughening-its-stance-toward-migrants-israel-pushes-africans-to-leave/2015/05/14/e1637bce-f350-11e4-bca5-21b51bbdf93e_story.html

    Israeli Mossad’s motto: “By deception thou shalt do war”

    Moscow has 92 synagogues for less than a thousand practicing Jews – they are staffed and manned by the imported American Rabbis of Habad. Best and the choicest pieces of Russian municipal land are given to synagogues and Jewish cultural centres for free.

    http://www.unz.com/ishamir/the-russian-scare/

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  8. Very well said, Phil Giraldi. The power of the Israel Lobby in the US is almost absolute. Slowly but surely, they get also a hold of the political elites in Great Britain, France, and Germany. None of these folks have the guts to criticize the brutal Apartheid regime in Israel and the Palestinian Occupied Territories out of fear of being branded an “anti-Semite”.

    The US Congress doesn’t serve the interest of the American people but only the Zionist regime and their expansionist lust for territory and their aggression towards Iran. Not Iran is the major sponsor of terrorism such as the Zionist and their cheerleaders in the US pretend but Israel with its terrorist military gang, the so-called IDF, which should be renamed in ITF (Israeli Terrorist Forces).

    Miko Peled, the author of “The General’s Son” described this military gang as follows: “the IDF is the best trained, best equipped, best fed terrorist organization in the world“. And the US taxpayers are financing a terror organization that is against US law.

    http://between-the-lines-ludwig-watzal.blogspot.de/2012/10/miko-peled-generals-son.html

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  9. Seraphim says:

    @back in town

    Was it ever out? It is more ‘in’ than ever.

    “White House Announces Jared Kushner Is Now Responsible For Everything”
    @http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/jared-kushner-everything czar_us_58d95499e4b02a2eaab6664f

    “Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner’s choice of neighborhood narrows the focus on Chabad”:
    The residence they have reportedly picked, on Tracy Place NW, is about half a mile from TheShul of the Nation’s Capital, a synagogue run by the active Orthodox Jewish organization Chabad….
    ome of Washington’s highest-profile observant Jews, including Treasury Secretary Jack Lew and longtime senator and 2000 vice presidential candidate Joseph I. Lieberman, have sometimes attended services at TheShul as an alternative to Kesher Israel, where they more frequently spent Shabbat. Numerous Jewish ambassadors from foreign countries have chosen to worship at TheShul…”
    @https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2017/01/05/ivanka-trump-and-jared-kushners-choice-of-neighborhood-narrows-the-focus-on-chabad/?utm_term=.1bce47e39bc2

    “Recently, Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner visited the Ohel*, and every Jewish media outlet covered their visit. However…Trump and Kushner’s visit was not publicized by Chabad”.
    @http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/227102

    *The Cambria Heights, Queens “Ohel” (literally ‘tent’ but used by Chabad hassidim to mean ‘tomb’) of the sixth and seventh Chabad-Lubavitch Rebbes, Rabbi Yosef Yitzchak Scheerson and his son-in-law Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, has become a 24-hour hub of activity with visitors stopping at all hours of day and night to pray and ask for blessings.
    Thousands of Jews, from all backgrounds and ethnicities, as well as politicians, diplomats, and many others, visit the site every day of the year.

    Yes, the ones with silly hairstyles.
    “Vice President Mike Pence on Sunday put the issue of moving the U.S. embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem back on the table, telling pro-Israel lobbying group that President Donald Trump was giving “serious consideration” to the issue.
    @http://www.newsweek.com/mike-pence-trump-us-embassy-jerusalem-consideration-574576

    Lasciate ogni speranza…

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    I expect they will be giving serious consideration to moving the US embassy for a long time...

    I had thought the anti Russian propaganda had died down a bit recently but ever since the Kremlin slapped down Netanyahoo over Syria it seems to have cranked back up.
    , @annamaria
    Lasciate ogni speranza… - Abandon all hope, you who enter here..
    This time the high-functioning psychopaths are going to ruin everything globally
    , @JoaoAlfaiate
    Instead of moving just the US Embassy to Jerusalem why not move our Capitol there? Our lawmakers would then be closer to their most important constituency. If there is no space for the entire American government certainly relocating the US Treasury would make sense.
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  10. These are the folks who put the Zio in Anglo/Zio Empire. If you are an Imperialist (Hillary supporter) you gotta love these people. Nationalists not so much.

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  11. Spiridon says:

    You are wrong when it comes to explain Kagame presence ; it is not cosmetic at all, it is not to give some “antiracist” acceptable face to AIPAC. But it has to do with many years of Israel lobbying in Africa, it’s hidden role in managing access to resources and manipulating powers in Africa. Besides, Kagame is himself this kind of terrorist, most probably at the very origin of Rwanda massacre, blaming others for being terrorist and dressing himself in innocent pure white colour… a fake victim. He received officially last year Netanyahu in Rwanda. Israel has been secretly very active in Africa for the benefit of UK and USA, trying to encroach on French turf. One famous journalist has written crystal clear book on this influences : “Carnages” by Pierre Pean. Israel was eager to play a role in destabilizing Sudan, an Rwanda was a piece on the chessboard. The FPR (patriotic front of Rwanda) led by Kagame was an important tool of this war.

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  12. Mark Green says: • Website

    Zio-Jewish power is real.

    Zio-Jewish power is immense.

    Zio-Jewish power is ruthless.

    Zio-Jewish power is self-righteous.

    Zio-Jewish power is lethal.

    Zio-Jewish power is expanding.

    Zio-Jewish power must be resisted.

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    • Agree: L.K
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  13. Text in paragraph 2, sentence 2 should read: “Its annual budget…”, not “It’s annual budget…”

    In contemporary English, “It’s” should be reserved for “it is”. “Its”, like “his”, “hers”, “theirs” and “ours”, though possessive pronouns, lack an apostrophe.

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    • Replies: @Seraphim
    It is my struggle too. Than/then, it's/its, effect/affect. Do you think it had any effect? Yes, they laughed at my pedantry. It affected me much, but what can you do? 'Its' how thing go, who needs grammar?
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  14. @Astuteobservor II
    that is pretty much every politician :) both reds and blues have to kneel before the AIPAC alter before they can assume office :)

    Not-so-very-astute observer:

    Make that “AIPAC altar“. “Alter” means “to change”. The marble table at the front of a traditional Catholic or Orthodox church is an “altar”.

    Now you know why English teachers are not-so-very fond of Spelchek software: it gives semi-literates a false sense of mastery.

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    • Replies: @David
    Now you know why everyone else hates English teachers. Too often, they're dicks.
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  15. @Chris 07
    Whenever possible, I won't vote for candidates supported by AIPAC.

    If people would join me in that, then the 'power' of AIPAC would evaporate. When it becomes true that AIPAC support is the kiss of death to a politician, then AIPAC will be powerless. All we have to do is to Just Say No.

    AIPAC wants to bankrupt America. We are $Trillions in debt and running a huge deficit. We can't afford to give a regional superpower $Billions a year. If paying for the defense of NATO is a bad idea, then why is paying for the defense of Israel a good idea?

    And, whether its Israel or Montenegro, what they are really asking for is the blood of American children. Neither is worth a single drop. Just Say No.

    I’m sure there are millions of Americans who would agree with you but there’s a whole weekend of sports to watch, after that there’s WWE and have you seen the latest pics of Kim’s ass? Wow!

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  16. @Anon
    Just how did Jews come up with such silly hairstyles?

    I mean, how can any woman be attracted to that stuff?

    But then, why are so many male-hair-styles in so much cultures ridiculous?

    I never got the samurai hair style.

    https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-f904b3eced26cfbe72e918d70a441e91-c

    Most guys go out of their way NOT to be bald. Japanese decided bald is good.

    Ironically, some skinhead girls have hairstyles like them Jews in the photo.

    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/54/2b/2f/542b2f17f2338a1072d8ff9f8c2ffed0.jpg

    When you come across these guys I have found that they won’t look you in the eye, especially if you smile at them. I suppose when you are taught that we gentiles are a different species to Jews (and, to quote The Talmud, “not human”) such intercourse must create unbearable cognitive dissonance in the mind and heart of such poor brainwashed drones.

    But we must remember. They regard themselves as being at war with the goyim. We only exist to be dominated and enslaved by Jews (according to Orthodox teaching).

    That’s why a horrible prayer (making void any FUTURE promises made to gentiles) like the Kol Nidre, said on Yom Kippur, slips very naturally into the box called ‘Jewish Spirituality’.

    KOL NIDRE ~ JEWISH PRAYER TO ABSOLVE VOWS
    “ALL VOWS, OBLIGATIONS, OATHS OR ANTHEMS, PLEDGES OF ALL NAMES, WHICH WE HAVE VOWED, SWORN, DEVOTED, OR BOUND OURSELVES TO, FROM THIS DAY OF ATONEMENT, UNTIL THE NEXT DAY OF ATONEMENT (WHOSE ARRIVAL WE HOPE FOR IN HAPPINESS) WE REPENT, AFOREHAND, OF THEM ALL, THEY SHALL ALL BE DEEMED ABSOLVED, FORGIVEN, ANNULLED, VOID AND MADE OF NO EFFECT; THEY SHALL NOT BE BINDING, NOR HAVE ANY POWER; THE VOWS SHALL NOT BE RECKONED AS VOWS, THE OBLIGATIONS SHALL NOT BE OBLIGATORY,
    NOR THE OATHS CONSIDERED AS OATHS.”
    ~ THE KOL NIDRE

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  17. Talha says:
    @jacques sheete

    So hang on to your hats...
     
    Yer shorts and wallets too. When will 'Merkins ever get a clue and enough 'nads to fix the problem?

    Utterly disgusting.

    Hey JS,

    When…?

    Perhaps never, but it doesn’t really matter in the long run, as Mr. Giraldi points out:

    Israel and its basic policies towards Arabs and its neighbors are unsustainable both from a human rights and practical point of view.

    The world moves along with or without us – the existence of the Soviet Union was extremely useful for many in our state apparatus. Its eventual collapse was fairly swift and caught many by surprise – policies and priorities had to be re-evaluated. If our politicians, the sociopathic whores that they are, will simply queue in line for the next highest bidder.

    Peace.

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    The world moves along with or without us ...
     
    And I wish 'em godspeed. What a bunch of knuckleheads we've been, despite our pathetic self praise.

    And not only has AIPAC been a problem, but scum like this has been and no doubt continues to be part of it too.

    The Jewish Virtual Library tells us:

    … gangster Hershel Kessler [said] that, during Prohibition, "People wanted booze, they wanted dope, they wanted to gamble and they wanted broads. For a price, we provided them with these amusements. We only gave them what they wanted."

    [gangster Arnold]Rothstein turned his experience as a [Prohibition booze] "importer" to narcotics smuggling, a far more lucrative and less competitive business. By 1926, Rothstein was the "financial overlord" of the American narcotics trade.

    ...Jews comprised half of the nation’s leading bootleggers and that Jewish gangsters like Meyer Lansky and Bugsy Siegel dominated organized crime certain cities. Of course, with the largest Jewish population, New York produced the largest number of Jewish gangsters. The kingpin of the New York Jewish underworld was not a street tough gangster, but a refined gambler: Arnold Rothstein. According to Rockaway, "Rothstein is recognized as the pioneer big businessman of organized crime in the United States."

    • http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/arnold-rothstein

     

    Here's another article that you will probably find interesting.

    However the Western nations obstruct our progress. They have created special rights and spheres of influence, which prevent our developing our own territory. They create among us a hatred of foreigners, which harms them and us alike.

    -Hsu Shih-Chang , as quoted by Georges Soulie de Morant, in The Present and Future of the World, The Living Age , July 23, 1921, pp. 193-199

     

    , @Bill Jones
    I really can't see the Chinese putting up with this shit.

    The first Chinese politician to be discovered taking AIPAC like money will be executed.
    End of problem.
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  18. Seraphim says:
    @Eustace Tilley (not)
    Text in paragraph 2, sentence 2 should read: "Its annual budget...", not "It's annual budget..."

    In contemporary English, "It's" should be reserved for "it is". "Its", like "his", "hers", "theirs" and "ours", though possessive pronouns, lack an apostrophe.

    It is my struggle too. Than/then, it’s/its, effect/affect. Do you think it had any effect? Yes, they laughed at my pedantry. It affected me much, but what can you do? ‘Its’ how thing go, who needs grammar?

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  19. n230099 says:

    And WWII is still considered ‘the good war’…go figure.

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    And don't you forget it, goy.
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  20. Ram says:
    @Chris 07
    Whenever possible, I won't vote for candidates supported by AIPAC.

    If people would join me in that, then the 'power' of AIPAC would evaporate. When it becomes true that AIPAC support is the kiss of death to a politician, then AIPAC will be powerless. All we have to do is to Just Say No.

    AIPAC wants to bankrupt America. We are $Trillions in debt and running a huge deficit. We can't afford to give a regional superpower $Billions a year. If paying for the defense of NATO is a bad idea, then why is paying for the defense of Israel a good idea?

    And, whether its Israel or Montenegro, what they are really asking for is the blood of American children. Neither is worth a single drop. Just Say No.

    AIPAC and associates will always control the US, aided and abetted by the likes of Pelosi and McCain. The sheep will be kept well under control.

    Today Google is at the receiving end of it’s ire, surreptitiously.

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  21. HBM says:
    @n230099
    And WWII is still considered 'the good war'...go figure.

    And don’t you forget it, goy.

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    Its a natural way in life, for the Zios/Talmudist to hate an anglo saxon, or any other pure european person. Why? because throughout history, the European is the only individual who has presented an adversarial image to the Kazharian empire. First, Russia destroyed their kindom, way back, then after the Kazhars dispersed in eastern Europe, the European kept them in their place; For several hundred years, this struggle has been a constant fight to the death, with the Kazhars visiting death and destruction whenever they can upon the European people, i.e. the French with the french revolution, and all those wars that had in the past destroyed whole generations; the Germans, in all those wars which Germanic people has struggled against the Judaics and their slaves, i.e. the English, Canadians, Australians, and Americans. Then the Russians suffered their part, when the Talmudists as Churchill said, had them by the hair, suffering millions of deaths aht their hands. People forget what happened to our neighbor to the south, early last century. the so called Mexican revolution where more than two million perished, the leader? President Calles, a Jew. So yes, Jews love to see the goyim die, and the more they destroy, the better they feel, enjoying sadistic killings; just ask the Ukrainians, during the holodomor!
    The Holodomor (Ukrainian: Голодомо́р) was a man-made famine in Soviet Ukraine in 1932 and 1933 that killed an estimated 2.5–7.5 million Ukrainians. Funny how they blame the 'soviets' which were the power elite, of the judaics, or Talmudists.

    BTW, Minorities in the USA ignore all these historical events, thus present not a threat to the talmudist in any way at all. Only the White, European represents a threat to their emperium, and thus is in the cross hairs of the talmudist forever!

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  22. anarchyst says:

    I used to chuckle when I heard of the American Congress being a part of the “Zionist Occupation Government”, but no more…
    My “awakening” came a long time ago, with the deliberate Israeli attack on the USS Liberty (GTR-5) in 1967 and the subsequent “whitewash” by none other that John McCain’s “daddy” admiral.
    I took it upon myself the look up other Israeli “false flag” operations, the Lavon affair, and the pre-emptive strike of the “six-day war”, among others, only to see that MY government was in the hands of a foreign cabal.
    Paul Finley’s book “None Dare Call It Treason” is still a classic worth reading, to see how the Israel-first lobby operates. Walt and Miersheimer’s “The Holocaust ™ industry is also a good read.
    What sealed the deal was the push for laws that criminalize any investigation into the “Holocaust ™” that deviates from the “accepted orthodoxy”, even if the “accepted orthodoxy” can be proven false. Kangaroo courts in European countries and Canada have already ruled that when it comes to “all things Holocaust ™”, TRUTH cannot be introduced into evidence and cannot be used as a defense.
    I have attempted to get my (brain dead) associates, friends and family to look into our situation, but have met with deaf ears. You see, many of them have bought into the concept of “the chosen”, whose activities are not to be questioned, even when their claims are outlandish and cannot survive honest scrutiny, especially when it comes to “all things Holocaust ™”. I wish more people would open their eyes and think for themselves, to see that our country has been hijacked, and that no good has come of it.

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    the concept of “the chosen”:


    Of course they are the chosen! of their father.
    "Iesus talking to the 'judeans'(jews):

    You are of your father the devil, and you desire to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has not stood in the truth, because there is no truth in him. Whenever he might speak falsehood, he speaks from the own; for he is a liar, and the father of it. John 8:44.

    So of course they are all that and more! Any questions?
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  23. David says:
    @Eustace Tilley (not)
    Not-so-very-astute observer:

    Make that "AIPAC altar". "Alter" means "to change". The marble table at the front of a traditional Catholic or Orthodox church is an "altar".

    Now you know why English teachers are not-so-very fond of Spelchek software: it gives semi-literates a false sense of mastery.

    Now you know why everyone else hates English teachers. Too often, they’re dicks.

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    HAHA. :) that brought a smile to my face :) really :)
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  24. biz says:

    Why did you use a photo of anti-Zionist Satmar Hasidic Jews to illustrate an article about AIPAC?

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    Why did you use a photo of anti-Zionist Satmar Hasidic Jews

    Not because any Jew will do, if that's what you are thinking. AK is not "that " kind of nationalist, right AK?
    , @Z-man
    I think it was done for comic relief, I laughed, it was funny.
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  25. David says:

    Man, Mr Giraldi sure produces tons of good copy, and not just here at Unz.com. It’s really amazing.

    Of topic, I am also amazed at the schtick Adam Schiff has been pulling for the last couple months. He’s been on every outlet that’ll let him to say that Trump is a Russian agent and anyone who says otherwise is also a Russian agent. Now he’s everywhere all the time saying that Nunes, the chairman of the committee that Schiff is the ranking member of, must resign or recuse himself because he has exposed himself as partial to his party and his party’s president. The horror.

    It might have happened, but I’ve yet to hear an interviewer ask Schiff if he too isn’t partisan.

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  26. iffen says:
    @biz
    Why did you use a photo of anti-Zionist Satmar Hasidic Jews to illustrate an article about AIPAC?

    Why did you use a photo of anti-Zionist Satmar Hasidic Jews

    Not because any Jew will do, if that’s what you are thinking. AK is not “that ” kind of nationalist, right AK?

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    Who is AK?
    , @SFG
    I'm not sure if he is, but this is Giraldi's article.
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  27. @David
    Now you know why everyone else hates English teachers. Too often, they're dicks.

    HAHA. :) that brought a smile to my face :) really :)

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  28. LondonBob says:
    @Seraphim
    @back in town

    Was it ever out? It is more 'in' than ever.

    "White House Announces Jared Kushner Is Now Responsible For Everything"
    @http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/jared-kushner-everything czar_us_58d95499e4b02a2eaab6664f

    "Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner’s choice of neighborhood narrows the focus on Chabad":
    The residence they have reportedly picked, on Tracy Place NW, is about half a mile from TheShul of the Nation’s Capital, a synagogue run by the active Orthodox Jewish organization Chabad....
    ome of Washington’s highest-profile observant Jews, including Treasury Secretary Jack Lew and longtime senator and 2000 vice presidential candidate Joseph I. Lieberman, have sometimes attended services at TheShul as an alternative to Kesher Israel, where they more frequently spent Shabbat. Numerous Jewish ambassadors from foreign countries have chosen to worship at TheShul..."
    @https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2017/01/05/ivanka-trump-and-jared-kushners-choice-of-neighborhood-narrows-the-focus-on-chabad/?utm_term=.1bce47e39bc2

    "Recently, Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner visited the Ohel*, and every Jewish media outlet covered their visit. However...Trump and Kushner's visit was not publicized by Chabad".
    @http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/227102

    *The Cambria Heights, Queens "Ohel" (literally 'tent' but used by Chabad hassidim to mean 'tomb') of the sixth and seventh Chabad-Lubavitch Rebbes, Rabbi Yosef Yitzchak Scheerson and his son-in-law Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, has become a 24-hour hub of activity with visitors stopping at all hours of day and night to pray and ask for blessings.
    Thousands of Jews, from all backgrounds and ethnicities, as well as politicians, diplomats, and many others, visit the site every day of the year.

    Yes, the ones with silly hairstyles.
    "Vice President Mike Pence on Sunday put the issue of moving the U.S. embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem back on the table, telling pro-Israel lobbying group that President Donald Trump was giving “serious consideration” to the issue.
    @http://www.newsweek.com/mike-pence-trump-us-embassy-jerusalem-consideration-574576

    Lasciate ogni speranza...

    I expect they will be giving serious consideration to moving the US embassy for a long time…

    I had thought the anti Russian propaganda had died down a bit recently but ever since the Kremlin slapped down Netanyahoo over Syria it seems to have cranked back up.

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    My impression was always that Netanyahoo went to Moscow to deliver the message to Putin: the fate of Haman (impaling) is awaiting you if you dare to stay in the way of G-d's people! The message in response was that Israel would have the fate of Judaea described in Josephus' 'Bellum Judaicum'.
    The Jews did not understood the message of the destruction of the Temple (as they did not understand the message of the destruction of the first Temple either) and continued their revolts until their 'kingdom' was completely wiped out. Apparently they don't understand even now and they double down. Mobilization of the 'opposition' in Russia, preparation of a 'Maidan' in Belarus, unleashing of ISIS in Chechnya, increase in Ukrainian belligerence, barely veiled declaration of war against Russia and its infamous ally Iran (John Bolton: “The next conflict is already underway… Iran is the principle threat.”).
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  29. Art says:

    Those poor boys in that picture will never know freedom – they will be controlled by their juvenile brainstems for the rest of their lives – they will be dancing like that when they are eighty. They will have no independent thoughts ever. They are slaves to Judaism. If they dare step out of line, they will be totally banished from family and culture.

    Those happy dancing faces don’t know it, but they have been traumatized, terrorized, and brainwashed by their elders.

    (There is a strong likely hood that several of them have been pestered by some authority figure.)

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  30. Z-man says:

    Not such a big deal this year, I wonder why. Is it because they have been lulled by the pro Zionist pronouncements by Trump and don’t want to rile him up. That’s my thoughts on that pile of excrement known as AIPAC this year.
    As far as the pro Zionist ‘Gentiles’, ‘Nikki’ Haley’s rising star I think will be dimming rapidly in the next few years, Harper I think is ‘a has been’ already but Blair, who is also ‘a has been’, get’s the brunt of my bile as he is a first class phony.
    Glad to see your troops out there protesting out there. One year I gotta get down there to DC and join/support the anti AIPAC protesters!!

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  31. Pandos says:

    Be afraid of the Jews. They destroyed Russia and then Germany. They have destroyed ME, control all Western countries, owe US $5 Trillion, 10,000 dead and 50,000 wounded. Watched and knew as Saudi knocked down the towers. And they hate you. Stay low.

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    "Stay low." And allow yourself to be devoured by the fattened parasitoid.
    , @NoseytheDuke
    What makes you think it was Saudis who "knocked down" the towers? Is it not more accurate to say that the towers were "pulled down"?
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  32. Z-man says:
    @biz
    Why did you use a photo of anti-Zionist Satmar Hasidic Jews to illustrate an article about AIPAC?

    I think it was done for comic relief, I laughed, it was funny.

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  33. Lizie says:

    Mr Giraldi,

    NATO has only one Muslim ally, which is Turkey.

    However, Canadian soldiers wearing the Kurdish flag are currently training Kurdish fighters:

    The Kurdish flag is “a symbol of a separatist state — one that is unrecognized by any other country in the world — while our politicians still talk of a unified Iraq.”

    ON TARGET: HOW DUMB CAN WE BE?

    http://espritdecorps.ca/on-target-how-dumb-can-we-be/2016/6/6/on-target-how-dumb-can-we-be?rq=taylor%20kurd

    Meanwhile Canada is supporting the independence of Kosovo, and there is the usual ”politics of laissez-faire” now in Montréal airports.

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  34. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    Even though the JDL was declared a terrorist outfit by the FBI and banned by the DOJ, they operate with impunity on the streets of DC…..

    America is starting to look like the Occupied West Bank….

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    Both groups of Jews are traitors to America. Neither would protest the harms being done to America by either progressives or Israel-Only Jews. In fact, those groups support much of what is detrimental to America. All they care about is Jewish interests, which is what they are fighting about. They don't care about Palestinians or Americans. They should have their citizenship stripped and be deported to an Israel that gets absolutely no support of any kind from the U.S.

    Is it really any wonder that host after host has turned on Jews? I wonder what percentage of American Jews are actually sensible, decent and patriotic Americans? It can't be very high. Where are these people? Jews brag about their radical tradition and voting like Puerto Ricans, so it seems as though they are telling us where they stand. At this point, any non-Jew who isn't an anti-Semite isn't sensible. The disdain that many Jews have for the rest of America is on full display daily.
    , @RobinG
    Note that this is Jew-on Jew violence. This new group of young Jews, "If Not Now" is not even anti-Zionist, but the Jewish Defense League [militant Zionist Blackshirts] can't tolerate them.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28bGxfWdkAg
    Jewish Anti AIPAC protest in Washington
    , @chris
    wait a minute, aren't these our old friends, Sam and Sherm in the last video, administering the business end of aipac?
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  35. Sherman says:

    I’m grateful Israel has such a powerful and effective lobby looking out for its interests.

    I’m glad my donations to AIPAC are having impact.

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    Well. At least the greater number of people are able now to understand the cause of expulsions of Jewish Fifth column from many countries throughout the European history. Was not the noble Spinoza rejected by his brethren? - Too much ethics, I guess... But the pedophile & xenophobe Dershowitz will always be a darling of the psychopathic part of of Judaism, as represented by AIPAC.
    Blair, Kagame, Pelosi, Pence, Haley ... some selection!
    , @Anon
    Keith says:

    Sherman .... your historical Jewish hubris is blinding you to your tribe's historical reasons for pogroms and expulsions.

    Soon or later, the rest of us, excluding the Jewish useful Christian Zionists idiots and Zionist political shills, will finally get sick and tired of AIPAC Zionist political power and sick of perpetual wars for Israel.

    Just like the PNAC document "Rebuilding American's Defenses"' which suggested a need for
    a "castastrophic and catalyzing event- like a new Peal Harbor" to get Americans to support wars in the Middle East against Jewish and Israel's enemies.

    American's just needs a catalyzing event like "The Great Depression" to free themselves from the Zionist stranglehold.

    Before this castastrophic and catalyzing event happens, I suggest you save your AIPAC donation money and buy diamonds. The Jewess, Irene Zisblat, claims she swallowed diamonds and shit them out regularly while at Auschwitz. You can learn how the diamonds saved her from the gas chambers in the movie " The Last Days of the Big Lie".

    Instead of watching Holohoax stories to help you to remove your blinders, you can learn from
    Institute for Historical Review " The "Jewish Question" in 15th and 16th Century Spain

    Benzion Netanyahu who wrote the book "The Origins of the Inquisition in the Fifteenth Century"

    Benzion Netanyahu, father of a Bibi Netanyahu, has done a great service in identifying the social,
    economic, and political sources of inter-group conflict that were critical in the establishment
    of the Inquisition. Benzion Netanyahu acknowledges the factor that put much strain on the relations between Christian Gentiles and Jews was the growth of Jewish economic power.



    You might want to sew the diamonds in your pants and become a Jewish doomsday prepper.
    , @Davey Wavey
    Well, obviously you are not an American. Or, if you are, you are a traitor. The average American taxpayer pays about $30 each year to the tiny state of Israel. This provides a subvention (from taxes) of about $600 a year per Israeli. For a family of four, that's a fictive subsidy of $2400 a year. Don't you think American families could use a subsidy like this? Why don't they get it? What doesn't Italy get a subsidy? Why don't Italian-Americans get together and threaten every congressman and get them to vote a subsidy? Here's why: Decency. Israel has none.
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  36. nsa says:
    @Anon
    Just how did Jews come up with such silly hairstyles?

    I mean, how can any woman be attracted to that stuff?

    But then, why are so many male-hair-styles in so much cultures ridiculous?

    I never got the samurai hair style.

    https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-f904b3eced26cfbe72e918d70a441e91-c

    Most guys go out of their way NOT to be bald. Japanese decided bald is good.

    Ironically, some skinhead girls have hairstyles like them Jews in the photo.

    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/54/2b/2f/542b2f17f2338a1072d8ff9f8c2ffed0.jpg

    They are silly. Jooies have a faggot gene unknown in other races which lends a tinge of female stealth and cunning to all their endeavors. Very high rate of homosex also, feeding into their generalized persecution complex.

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  37. Shabbas Goy Stephen Harper was really a cut above when it came to sticking his schnozz up the ass of jewry in all its forms.

    There are too many examples of his fawning attitude which at one time led to speculation that some of the senior protocol (no pun) officers in Israel asked him to tone it down because the Canadian sheep were starting to ask questions.

    His supreme moment in my view was when he got to tickling the ivories. See, Harpo apparently was an accomplished piano player and his PR people suggested that he do impromptu performances to mitigate his cigar store indian demeanor. His band, The Herringbones did Beatles numbers with the basic competence one could expect from a house band in a 70′s steakhouse ( one member was later arrested for child molestation giving a much deserved black eye to our Duddly Doorights who do his screening).

    Anyway the great good moment arrived when he decided to showcase his enormous talent on a junket to Israel in front of his superior Mr Nutandyahoo. The song he chose? Why “Hey Jude” of course. You can’t make this stuff up. There was no truth to the rumour that his Israeli host sported a big yellow star on his lapel to help with the fun but he was in good sprits swaying to the howling of his fellow head of state sporting a toothy singing style reminiscent of someone sitting on a sprung rat trap.

    Embarrassing in every way to Canadians who expect Prime Ministerial conduct from their ‘leader’ especially when visiting foreign nations.

    Cheers-

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  38. AIPAC’s unique ability to influence politicians is the same unique influence that all Jews wield, the ability to significantly affect the election of public officials.

    Jews use their media-academia-NGO propaganda and monies to influence the masses of diversity, a professional victim cult that comprises a super-majority of voters in the US and Israel.

    All diversity freaks claim to be eternally oppressed by Nazi or white supremacy.

    Diversity By Group:

    African American, Alternate Lifestyle, Asian, Disabled, Hispanic & Latino, Jewish, Native American, Women

    http://www.mindexchange.com/diversity.htm

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  39. wow says:

    I love Trump…but to witness him genuflecting to Israel at AIPAC prior to his election was a really sad day….how any American leader is bowing to this Jew lobby is astonishing, even surreal.

    Why are leaders not lining up and drooling for Ireland, Hungary, Argentina, Mongolia, etc? Why just Israel?…it’s insane!!!!!

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  40. Alden says:
    @chris
    In all historical discussions of pogroms, this is the part that's left out, the capturing of nations for their own purposes. Sometimes a nation is coopted toward more liberty (the US in the 60s), sometimes toward more oppression (as currently), the point is that it does not much matter which it is as long as their interests are served. And it's too bad that they always tear out that page out of the history books, which explains the rise before the fall, because the two are, unfortunately for all, inseparable. Thanks for writing that page, Phil

    In the state/foreign affairs departments archives of every Western European country, Canada. The US, Mexico, Brazil, Argentina and other S Amerucan countries are reports about the non progroms allegedly going on between 1880 and 1917. The reports were written by diplomats working in Russia who knew the progrom propaganda was false.

    The reports all stated that there were no progroms. The reports all stated that the progrom propaganda was spread so that European and Americans would welcome Jewish immigrants and give them assistance in settling. Many of the reports mentioned that the purpose was to con wealthy European and American Jews into helping them resettle when they arrived.

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    very good point, Alden! Thanks.
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  41. Hi Phil

    I was trying to think of how to put Susan Rice (no doubt waiting in the hotel room for Paul), Paul Kagame and Tony Blair in context with AIPAC and I recalled this image:

    I much appreciate your calling out a few names of those fundamentalist Christian Zionists without whom the Israeli Zionists would have to take their begging act elsewhere. BTW, Blair converted to fundamentalist Catholicism and concealed the fact from his countrymen until he was out of office. Insofar as a “Butt Boy”, I expect this 20 second clip speaks louder than words:

    Concerning (Susan Rice squeeze) Kagame, a google search of “Paul Kagame , war crimes” should demonstrate who Bibi’s cohorts, Mike Pence and associates seem perfectly comfortable shaking hands and rubbing shoulders with:

    [MORE]

    War Crimes and Rwandan Realities – The New York Times

    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/20/opinion/war-crimes-and-rwandan-realities.html

    Jul 19, 2015 – He is also a hostage — not of any justice system, but of an increasingly lone and erratic dictator, President Paul Kagame, who uses and abuses …

    Rwanda’s Paul Kagame warned he may be charged with aiding war …
    https://www.theguardian.com › World › Rwanda
    Jul 25, 2012 – The head of the US war crimes office has warned Rwanda’s leaders, including President Paul Kagame, that they could face prosecution at the …

    Kagame’s Mass Atrocities in Rwanda and the Congo – Global Research
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/kagames-mass-atrocities-in-rwanda-and-the…/5346739
    Nov 4, 2014 – The criminal responsibility of the President Paul Kagame and his …. (10) Prunier,

    Gerard (2009) Africa’s World War: Congo, the Rwanda …
    Towards a Totalitarian State in Rwanda: A War Crimes Indictment …
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/towards-a…state-in…war-crimes…kagame…/5464501
    Jul 25, 2015 – Towards a Totalitarian State in Rwanda: A War Crimes Indictment … VIDEO: Rwandan President Paul Kagame Wants a Safer Rwanda …

    The Case Against Rwanda’s President Paul Kagame – Newsweek
    http://www.newsweek.com/case-against-rwandas-president-paul-kagame-63167
    Jan 14, 2013 – In an interview, Reyntjens told me that Kagame’s crimes rank with those … on charges of genocide, war crimes, and crimes against humanity.

    Rwanda – The Tutsi Contradictions & Paul Kagame’s War Crimes In …
    http://www.rdirwandarwiza.com/rwanda-the-tutsi-contradictions-paul-kagames-war-crimes-i…;
    Dec 4, 2014 – Rwanda’s criminal involvement in the wanton violence in eastern DR Congo is neither deniable nor defensible. It is a sad irony that Rwanda …

    The Beginning of the End for Kagame? | Opinion | teleSUR English
    http://www.telesurtv.net/…/The-Beginning-of-the-End-for-Kagame-20150626-0023.html
    Jun 26, 2015 – If the U.K. is not safe for a war criminal, then where in the West is? … Rwandan President Paul Kagame (L) shakes hands with former U.S. …

    USED BY KAGAME “the most important war criminal in office today”

    https://congocoalitionblog.wordpress.com/…/the-hidden-power-used-by-kagame-the-…

    Feb 26, 2015 – Paul Kagame’s Rwanda, conspiring with DRC’s Joseph Kabila (a Rwandan Tutsi whose Rwandan name is Hyppolite Kanambe and a former …

    RWANDA: The Untold Stories: Kagame the War Criminal President …

    https://atlasmonitor.wordpress.com/…/rwanda-the-untold-stories-kagame-the-war-crim…

    Nov 9, 2014 – The current president of Rwanda, Paul Kagame, has long been … It also examines claims of war crimes committed by Kagame’s forces and …

    Paul Kagame – Wikipedia

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Kagame

    Jump to Congo wars – Paul Kagame is the sixth and current President of Rwanda having taken office ….. The Rwandan Defence Forces and the ADFL were accused of carrying out mass atrocities during the First Congo War, with as many …

    So much for the Department of State’s ‘lip service’ (fellatio on the Congo’s ‘blood diamond’ industry enriching Kagame actually) to human rights. Not to mention holocaust deniers:

    https://ronaldthomaswest.com/2015/01/29/holocaust-perversions-of-truth-western-mentality/

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  42. America has a Jewish Question. It’s that simple.

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    “America has a Jewish Question. It’s that simple.”

    If history serves, the phrase is ‘Judenfrage.’

    What’s the answer ('Antwort') Floyd? Prohibit them the means to a living? Confiscate their wealth? Put them in ghettos? Deport them to Madagascar or [insert destination here]? ‘Resettlement camps’ [insert destination here] with mandatory labor (after all, wouldn’t want to spoil them with a magnificent dole of 800 calories/day, exposure and all the beatings they can take). When all else fails a ‘final solution’ (Endlösing)?’

    Naturally, these options all have downsides. Jews are excellent scapegoats. The gift that keeps on giving. Ask Wilhelm und Adolf. How do you think they were empowered? Start and lose WW1? Blame the Jews (OK, Willie also blamed Freemasons). Want to opt out of a treaty? Start a new war? Lose a war (again)? Blame the Jews. Business poor? Crops fail? Blame the Jews. Dental problems? Well, you get the idea.

    Such easy solace for failure is hard to pass up. Mind you, I’m not Jewish, so I don’t really have a dog in that fight.

    What I’d like to know, Floyd, is after the Jews are gone who’s next?

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  43. Sam Shama says:

    I have written and spoken before how AIPAC is ultimately doomed as Israel and its basic policies towards Arabs and its neighbors are unsustainable both from a human rights and practical point of view. But that does not mean that it is going away any time soon. The Israel Lobby has the U.S. Congress and media by the throat and the Trump administration promises to be completely uncritical in its relationship……

    Dr Giraldi,
    You have a sound basis to call AIPAC’s influence formidable, although one doubts any noteworthy change in preferences of the U.S. populace if it were to cease to exist. It’s not just Jews, but Christians, primarily evangelicals, but also many Catholics now, are apparently, committed “‘Packers”. I don’t particularly like the organisation, and would even consider the proposal to have it registered a foreign agent, it still leaves open the question as to what earthly difference that might make.

    This subject of AIPAC and other lobby groups has a host of dimensions not restricted to a single-minded vilification of Jews, who while they organise to support Israel can by no means be justly branded anti-American. They are patriotic; in fact, I find many of them blindly so.
    [on a lighter note, believe it or not, these AIPAC dates are also when some people take an Alexandra Burke to hook up :-) ]

    But really a far more weighty subject requires analysing the relative size, form, impact, benefits, commercial interests, defence implications, etc. of extending the $3.8b armaments loan package to Israel. That would be a worthy piece from you or anyone else up for tackling the challenge.

    Israel has been, at least for the past decade or so attempting to greatly improve its relationship with the Arab world.

    http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2016/08/14/saudi-arabias-pro-jewish-media-campaign-seeks-to-pave-way-for-ties-with-israel/

    I think the Palestinian cause can easily benefit from strong Arab nations negotiating on its behalf rather than resorting to the tried and failed method of allowing the PA leadership to make a hash of it while it feathers its own nests.

    I’ve meant to ask you a question for some time now, but never got around to it: have you visited Israel? [I'd appreciate silence from the peanut gallery please]

    If you haven’t, why not consider it and see for yourself the “terrible” conditions in which Arab Israelis apparently live? I assure you none of them wants BDS to do the “needful” and remove their means of earning a living.

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    Hey Sam,

    Israel has been, at least for the past decade or so attempting to greatly improve its relationship with the Arab world.
     
    The problem with this is that (as the article states) they are trying to go through the Saudis who are thoroughly hated in the Muslim world - don't believe me, take a poll. They would do much better in:
    1) Recognizing that their ties (ancient, ethnic and geographic) to their neighbors are far more important in the long run from those to Europe or the US
    2) Realigning their future with the up and coming and respected powers (Jordan, Iran, etc.) and not the failing, hated ones
    3) This requires negotiating as peers with mutual respect, not the nonsense we see coming out of the Israeli government (and frankly, some of the Arab states)
    4) Being a minority with disproportionately high influence should not be used to manipulate the host countries to those policies that will help only them and foreign buddies and hurt the host (this goes for rich Arab states like Saudis that like to pump money into the system)
    5) Recognizing that the more and more of the Muslim world isn't afraid anymore (they just took on multiple war theaters with complete loss of air superiority - their cities look like Stalingrads and they are more religious and ready to sacrifice than the secular moderns that populated the Arab world in the 60's) and has reached a proportion for military casualties which are not looking good for IDF (even according to their stats, the 2006 Lebanese war was around 1:5 military deaths and I read Hezbollah didn't even deploy some of their most seasoned divisions since they were waiting near the Litani - compare Six Day War blowout for comparison at around 1:18). And the Syrian Army (if it survives) will be one of the most battle-hardened forces in the region via trial-by-fire.

    There are comments on these forums that are far more vitriolic than I have ever, ever seen from Muslims - and I've seen some pretty bad ones. It is quite eye-opening. I personally think this can work (if you know the history of that area then you know it is different than European history and it has been made to work before) - a lot of compromise will have to be done - but as of now Israel has to stop any new settlements - period - if they want to be taken seriously. They also have to stop any more influencing Uncle Sam's adventures in the ME other than telling him to back the hell off - the neocons have to be completely shunned. Basically, they have to give a real signal to the common Muslim man like myself and others in the region that are willing to be sincere - working with Saudi PR firms does not fulfill that requirement it sends the opposite signal and is an insult to our intelligence.

    We have to look forward and not be mired in only the worst of the past - I know that sounds cliche, but I mean it - Israeli-firsters constantly bringing up Bani Quraizah as if it is the only point of reference in our mutual history does not help. And you've even seen the way some pro-Israeli guys come at me - I know you don't - but that's the kind of low brow crap that is completely disrespectful. You know as well as I do that there was a time when Jews could travel and settle throughout the wider ME - it can happen again.

    Apparently, if some in the West get their way, we may have a situation on our hands where the big burly Ishmaelite has to step forward again and say; alright little guy step behind me again, I got this.

    I say all this as a friend.

    Peace.
    , @Chuck Orloski
    "I'd appreciate silence from the peanut gallery please"

    Hey Sam The Sham,

    In contrast to Talha, forthright, I speak as an enemy.

    Who the fuck do you think you are by addressing "Mr. Giraldi" and asking for the "peanut gallery's" silence "Disgusting!!!"

    P.G. will truly disappoint were he to make a reply to YOU who has no power but to deliriously obfuscate and lie.

    To reiterate, I know who you are and others are leaning fast too!

    No ad hominen attacks from me, Shammie, I'd really like to have the power to release your horses and incarcerate you in the Bronx Zoo -- toss Brand-X peanuts into your cage.

    And invite the 9-11 victims families to look deeply at you.

    Selah!
    , @jacques sheete

    I’ve meant to ask you a question for some time now, but never got around to it: have you visited Israel? [I'd appreciate silence from the peanut gallery please]
     
    If he goes he better take a Hazmat suit just in case he gets sprayed by an Israeli "skunk" (sewage)sprayer.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-njv7RJqtRM


    Ya gotta be a special kind of sick.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR_SN3Jcg3g

    , @Druid
    Keep spewing your rubbish.
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  44. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen
    Why did you use a photo of anti-Zionist Satmar Hasidic Jews

    Not because any Jew will do, if that's what you are thinking. AK is not "that " kind of nationalist, right AK?

    Who is AK?

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    Who is AK?

    Anatoly Karlin

    We have more than one possibility.

    1) Brain infarction.
    2) The sub-conscious really exists and provided a clever way for me to express my doubts that I could say the same about PG.
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  45. After learning what is said to them in the Talmud,….how they
    See the world and others,
    It’s no mystery They* ….are opportunists with no moral compass

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  46. Lit Dog says:

    As Phil makes clear, this is serious even though some of the language is ludicrous. One small point is the notion that the U.S. has Israel’s back. That would imply that the U.S. is a supporting force. In reality, Americans are sent out on their own to pursue Israeli policies. American soldiers were sent to kill and be killed in Iraq because Israel wanted a “clean break.” The only Israeli presence seems to have been in setting U.S. policy—such as in the tactics of torture at Abu Ghraib.

    President Trump, where is America First in this?

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  47. @Greg Bacon
    https://youtu.be/zFUNEc20iLg

    Even though the JDL was declared a terrorist outfit by the FBI and banned by the DOJ, they operate with impunity on the streets of DC.....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PEt-jJmeqM

    America is starting to look like the Occupied West Bank....

    Both groups of Jews are traitors to America. Neither would protest the harms being done to America by either progressives or Israel-Only Jews. In fact, those groups support much of what is detrimental to America. All they care about is Jewish interests, which is what they are fighting about. They don’t care about Palestinians or Americans. They should have their citizenship stripped and be deported to an Israel that gets absolutely no support of any kind from the U.S.

    Is it really any wonder that host after host has turned on Jews? I wonder what percentage of American Jews are actually sensible, decent and patriotic Americans? It can’t be very high. Where are these people? Jews brag about their radical tradition and voting like Puerto Ricans, so it seems as though they are telling us where they stand. At this point, any non-Jew who isn’t an anti-Semite isn’t sensible. The disdain that many Jews have for the rest of America is on full display daily.

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    As much as I'd like to give them some credit for standing up to the aipac juggernaut, this is no more than the ol' college try, because none of them would have been there if Hillary had won.

    Witnes the fact that Obama had the same exact policies vis-a-vis Israeli abuses of Palestinians, right up to his last days in office (and even that move was calculated as leverage for some future action on his part).
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  48. iffen says:

    I think the Palestinian cause can easily benefit from strong Arab nations negotiating on its behalf

    Would this be as beneficial to the Pals as was the Arab action on their “behalf” in ’48?

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    It was not a facetious point, and yes, I think it can. It is not 1948. Like it or not, those Arab neighbours are quite differently disposed towards Israel today. Use of the Pals as an instrument to divert attention from issues rather easier avoided has been standard ploy for many of these Arab monarchies. I don't make the case that the outcome would be the absolute ideal, but you'd be better off having these countries at the table than not.
    , @Incitatus
    Sam and iffen,

    Crossing to Syria from Jordan ‘76 I witnessed a fist fight between respective nationals. I’ve thought since that to assume Arab nations monolithic a mistake. Just as to say all Christian nations are the same.

    Talha is correct. Saudis are disliked in the wider faith. Not without reason. Too many wild parties in Beirut and London (while selling access to the Hadj). Kuwaitis probably come in second. Islam affords no monolithic block. Any more than Christianity.

    Other Arab nations negotiating for Palestinians? Wouldn’t bet on it. Likud alliance with KSA? May not work out well. My opinion.

    Palestinians’ biggest mistake? Allowing the PLO to cheer Saddam post Desert Storm. Many talented professionals I knew with in the Gulf were expelled stateless and unemployed. A great loss.

    If there’s an answer, it’s between Israel and the Palestinians. Hard choices need to made by both. Does Israel want to expel Pals on camera as the world watches? Citing historic abuse (justified) while depriving fellow humans of their rights? I have no easy answers (wish I did).

    Best.
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  49. AIPAC=Israeli Fifth Column=Thermonuclear Extermination of Christian Russia…if the Christian Russians don’t sell beautifull young Russian Women to Jeffrey Epstien and Alan Dershowitz for sexual slavery…

    And since POTUS Trump continues to threaten Christian Russia over Crimea…Donald is onboard with this also..

    So here is my question:Why do Richard Spencer and Paul Kersey continue to worship Doand Trump?

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  50. RobinG says:
    @Greg Bacon
    https://youtu.be/zFUNEc20iLg

    Even though the JDL was declared a terrorist outfit by the FBI and banned by the DOJ, they operate with impunity on the streets of DC.....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PEt-jJmeqM

    America is starting to look like the Occupied West Bank....

    Note that this is Jew-on Jew violence. This new group of young Jews, “If Not Now” is not even anti-Zionist, but the Jewish Defense League [militant Zionist Blackshirts] can’t tolerate them.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28bGxfWdkAg

    Jewish Anti AIPAC protest in Washington

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    Robin, it's Jew-on Jew violence over perceived Jewish interests. Did you watch both videos posted by Mr. Bacon? Where was the real hatred directed by both groups? The real hostility was directed at non- Jewish (really white) Americans that they deem "racist" or intolerant for defending America against immigration and AIPAC traitors. These people don't give a damn about Americans or Palestinians.
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  51. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama
    Who is AK?

    Who is AK?

    Anatoly Karlin

    We have more than one possibility.

    1) Brain infarction.
    2) The sub-conscious really exists and provided a clever way for me to express my doubts that I could say the same about PG.

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  52. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen
    I think the Palestinian cause can easily benefit from strong Arab nations negotiating on its behalf

    Would this be as beneficial to the Pals as was the Arab action on their "behalf" in '48?

    It was not a facetious point, and yes, I think it can. It is not 1948. Like it or not, those Arab neighbours are quite differently disposed towards Israel today. Use of the Pals as an instrument to divert attention from issues rather easier avoided has been standard ploy for many of these Arab monarchies. I don’t make the case that the outcome would be the absolute ideal, but you’d be better off having these countries at the table than not.

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  53. @RobinG
    Note that this is Jew-on Jew violence. This new group of young Jews, "If Not Now" is not even anti-Zionist, but the Jewish Defense League [militant Zionist Blackshirts] can't tolerate them.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28bGxfWdkAg
    Jewish Anti AIPAC protest in Washington

    Robin, it’s Jew-on Jew violence over perceived Jewish interests. Did you watch both videos posted by Mr. Bacon? Where was the real hatred directed by both groups? The real hostility was directed at non- Jewish (really white) Americans that they deem “racist” or intolerant for defending America against immigration and AIPAC traitors. These people don’t give a damn about Americans or Palestinians.

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    What stood out to me in that one video was how violent the JDL thugs became when they saw the sign about Israel being involved in 9/11.

    So far, our corrupt govt and the lying MSM has blamed Afghanistan, Iraq, Qaddafi, Iran--which got sued for 6 billion and lost--Syria and now Saudi Arabia, who is also getting sued, when the real 9/11 attackers were a 'gift' from our special ally.

    https://wikispooks.com/wiki/9-11/Israel_did_it
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  54. nickels says:

    The land needs to go back to its rightful owners.

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    Who was there first, Jews or Muslims?
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  55. @Talha
    Hey JS,

    When...?
     
    Perhaps never, but it doesn't really matter in the long run, as Mr. Giraldi points out:

    Israel and its basic policies towards Arabs and its neighbors are unsustainable both from a human rights and practical point of view.
     
    The world moves along with or without us - the existence of the Soviet Union was extremely useful for many in our state apparatus. Its eventual collapse was fairly swift and caught many by surprise - policies and priorities had to be re-evaluated. If our politicians, the sociopathic whores that they are, will simply queue in line for the next highest bidder.

    Peace.

    The world moves along with or without us …

    And I wish ‘em godspeed. What a bunch of knuckleheads we’ve been, despite our pathetic self praise.

    And not only has AIPAC been a problem, but scum like this has been and no doubt continues to be part of it too.

    The Jewish Virtual Library tells us:

    … gangster Hershel Kessler [said] that, during Prohibition, “People wanted booze, they wanted dope, they wanted to gamble and they wanted broads. For a price, we provided them with these amusements. We only gave them what they wanted.”

    [gangster Arnold]Rothstein turned his experience as a [Prohibition booze] “importer” to narcotics smuggling, a far more lucrative and less competitive business. By 1926, Rothstein was the “financial overlord” of the American narcotics trade.

    …Jews comprised half of the nation’s leading bootleggers and that Jewish gangsters like Meyer Lansky and Bugsy Siegel dominated organized crime certain cities. Of course, with the largest Jewish population, New York produced the largest number of Jewish gangsters. The kingpin of the New York Jewish underworld was not a street tough gangster, but a refined gambler: Arnold Rothstein. According to Rockaway, “Rothstein is recognized as the pioneer big businessman of organized crime in the United States.”

    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/arnold-rothstein

    Here’s another article that you will probably find interesting.

    However the Western nations obstruct our progress. They have created special rights and spheres of influence, which prevent our developing our own territory. They create among us a hatred of foreigners, which harms them and us alike.

    -Hsu Shih-Chang , as quoted by Georges Soulie de Morant, in The Present and Future of the World, The Living Age , July 23, 1921, pp. 193-199

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    Hey JS,

    Jewish gangsters
     
    ...An alley in Chicago. One of the rival Italian gangs is loading a truck full of illegal whiskey. From the shadows, a car slowly pulls into view directly under the street light. Out of it file five men looking much like those in the picture above with full loaded tommy guns. Grimly, they level their weapons and unload bullet after bullet into their foes and their cargo. Smoke furls from their barrels into the street light and disappears into the darkness. Their locks rock back and forth as they rotate and turn to make sure the bullets cover the entire scene; neither truck nor booze nor man is spared. One pauses to adjust his glasses.

    "Take that you mashuganas!" is the only thing the old woman hears as she sees the car drive away from her fourth story window.

    A cat meows as it laps up some spilled milk from the knapsack of one of the victims...

    Peace.

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  56. @HBM
    And don't you forget it, goy.

    Its a natural way in life, for the Zios/Talmudist to hate an anglo saxon, or any other pure european person. Why? because throughout history, the European is the only individual who has presented an adversarial image to the Kazharian empire. First, Russia destroyed their kindom, way back, then after the Kazhars dispersed in eastern Europe, the European kept them in their place; For several hundred years, this struggle has been a constant fight to the death, with the Kazhars visiting death and destruction whenever they can upon the European people, i.e. the French with the french revolution, and all those wars that had in the past destroyed whole generations; the Germans, in all those wars which Germanic people has struggled against the Judaics and their slaves, i.e. the English, Canadians, Australians, and Americans. Then the Russians suffered their part, when the Talmudists as Churchill said, had them by the hair, suffering millions of deaths aht their hands. People forget what happened to our neighbor to the south, early last century. the so called Mexican revolution where more than two million perished, the leader? President Calles, a Jew. So yes, Jews love to see the goyim die, and the more they destroy, the better they feel, enjoying sadistic killings; just ask the Ukrainians, during the holodomor!
    The Holodomor (Ukrainian: Голодомо́р) was a man-made famine in Soviet Ukraine in 1932 and 1933 that killed an estimated 2.5–7.5 million Ukrainians. Funny how they blame the ‘soviets’ which were the power elite, of the judaics, or Talmudists.

    BTW, Minorities in the USA ignore all these historical events, thus present not a threat to the talmudist in any way at all. Only the White, European represents a threat to their emperium, and thus is in the cross hairs of the talmudist forever!

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    Good information and well said!
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  57. annamaria says:
    @Seraphim
    @back in town

    Was it ever out? It is more 'in' than ever.

    "White House Announces Jared Kushner Is Now Responsible For Everything"
    @http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/jared-kushner-everything czar_us_58d95499e4b02a2eaab6664f

    "Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner’s choice of neighborhood narrows the focus on Chabad":
    The residence they have reportedly picked, on Tracy Place NW, is about half a mile from TheShul of the Nation’s Capital, a synagogue run by the active Orthodox Jewish organization Chabad....
    ome of Washington’s highest-profile observant Jews, including Treasury Secretary Jack Lew and longtime senator and 2000 vice presidential candidate Joseph I. Lieberman, have sometimes attended services at TheShul as an alternative to Kesher Israel, where they more frequently spent Shabbat. Numerous Jewish ambassadors from foreign countries have chosen to worship at TheShul..."
    @https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2017/01/05/ivanka-trump-and-jared-kushners-choice-of-neighborhood-narrows-the-focus-on-chabad/?utm_term=.1bce47e39bc2

    "Recently, Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner visited the Ohel*, and every Jewish media outlet covered their visit. However...Trump and Kushner's visit was not publicized by Chabad".
    @http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/227102

    *The Cambria Heights, Queens "Ohel" (literally 'tent' but used by Chabad hassidim to mean 'tomb') of the sixth and seventh Chabad-Lubavitch Rebbes, Rabbi Yosef Yitzchak Scheerson and his son-in-law Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, has become a 24-hour hub of activity with visitors stopping at all hours of day and night to pray and ask for blessings.
    Thousands of Jews, from all backgrounds and ethnicities, as well as politicians, diplomats, and many others, visit the site every day of the year.

    Yes, the ones with silly hairstyles.
    "Vice President Mike Pence on Sunday put the issue of moving the U.S. embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem back on the table, telling pro-Israel lobbying group that President Donald Trump was giving “serious consideration” to the issue.
    @http://www.newsweek.com/mike-pence-trump-us-embassy-jerusalem-consideration-574576

    Lasciate ogni speranza...

    Lasciate ogni speranza… – Abandon all hope, you who enter here..
    This time the high-functioning psychopaths are going to ruin everything globally

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  58. nsa says:

    The pols pledging fealty to the vile jooies are just like the girls downtown…they only do it for the money. Pols are usually shyster lawyers and not dummies. Even the most solicitous pol knows exactly what is going on and resents being muscled around…..just as a bridled husband is forced to say the right things by a demanding wife just to get along. Given the opportunity, the abused pols would gladly turn on their jooie tormentors in a nanosecond……

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  59. I have written only about AIPAC in this article. Grant Smith on Friday, speaking at a conference on the U.S. and Israel, made the following comment regarding the broader Israel Lobby:

    “Key US organizations include the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), the American Jewish Committee (AJC), the Zionist Organization of America (ZOA) and the Anti-Defamation League (ADL). Hundreds more, including a small number of evangelical Christian organizations, play a role within a vast ecosystem that demands unconditional US support for Israel.

    “In the year 2012 the nonprofit wing of the Israel lobby raised $3.7 billion in revenue. They are on track to reach $6.3 billion by 2020. Collectively they employed 14,000 and claimed 350,000 volunteers.”

    Think about it friends. A vast empire dedicated to one thing: making U.S. policy conform to what Israel wants no matter what might be good for Americans. In fact, what is good for Americans does not even enter into their calculation. Disgusting.

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    "a small number of evangelical Christian organizations"

    That 'small number' shouldn't imply small organizations or a small number of Christians:

    http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/franklin-graham-blasts-hank-johnson-attack/2016/07/27/id/740876/

    They don't get much bigger than Billy Graham's. Incidentally, Mike Pence membership in 'The Family' goes directly to the Billy Graham center's archives:

    "Members will tell you that the Family is just a group of friends. As Sharlet discovered, 600 boxes of documents at the Billy Graham Center Archives tell a different story"

    http://www.alternet.org/story/87665/worse_than_fascists%3A_christian_political_group_%27the_family%27_openly_reveres_hitler
     
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  60. annamaria says:
    @Pandos
    Be afraid of the Jews. They destroyed Russia and then Germany. They have destroyed ME, control all Western countries, owe US $5 Trillion, 10,000 dead and 50,000 wounded. Watched and knew as Saudi knocked down the towers. And they hate you. Stay low.

    “Stay low.” And allow yourself to be devoured by the fattened parasitoid.

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  61. annamaria says:
    @Sherman
    I'm grateful Israel has such a powerful and effective lobby looking out for its interests.

    I'm glad my donations to AIPAC are having impact.

    Well. At least the greater number of people are able now to understand the cause of expulsions of Jewish Fifth column from many countries throughout the European history. Was not the noble Spinoza rejected by his brethren? – Too much ethics, I guess… But the pedophile & xenophobe Dershowitz will always be a darling of the psychopathic part of of Judaism, as represented by AIPAC.
    Blair, Kagame, Pelosi, Pence, Haley … some selection!

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    I love your description of Douche-a-witz. Thumbs up!!
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  62. chris says:
    @Alden
    In the state/foreign affairs departments archives of every Western European country, Canada. The US, Mexico, Brazil, Argentina and other S Amerucan countries are reports about the non progroms allegedly going on between 1880 and 1917. The reports were written by diplomats working in Russia who knew the progrom propaganda was false.

    The reports all stated that there were no progroms. The reports all stated that the progrom propaganda was spread so that European and Americans would welcome Jewish immigrants and give them assistance in settling. Many of the reports mentioned that the purpose was to con wealthy European and American Jews into helping them resettle when they arrived.

    very good point, Alden! Thanks.

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  63. @Philip Giraldi
    I have written only about AIPAC in this article. Grant Smith on Friday, speaking at a conference on the U.S. and Israel, made the following comment regarding the broader Israel Lobby:

    "Key US organizations include the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), the American Jewish Committee (AJC), the Zionist Organization of America (ZOA) and the Anti-Defamation League (ADL). Hundreds more, including a small number of evangelical Christian organizations, play a role within a vast ecosystem that demands unconditional US support for Israel.

    "In the year 2012 the nonprofit wing of the Israel lobby raised $3.7 billion in revenue. They are on track to reach $6.3 billion by 2020. Collectively they employed 14,000 and claimed 350,000 volunteers."

    Think about it friends. A vast empire dedicated to one thing: making U.S. policy conform to what Israel wants no matter what might be good for Americans. In fact, what is good for Americans does not even enter into their calculation. Disgusting.

    “a small number of evangelical Christian organizations”

    That ‘small number’ shouldn’t imply small organizations or a small number of Christians:

    http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/franklin-graham-blasts-hank-johnson-attack/2016/07/27/id/740876/

    They don’t get much bigger than Billy Graham’s. Incidentally, Mike Pence membership in ‘The Family’ goes directly to the Billy Graham center’s archives:

    “Members will tell you that the Family is just a group of friends. As Sharlet discovered, 600 boxes of documents at the Billy Graham Center Archives tell a different story”

    http://www.alternet.org/story/87665/worse_than_fascists%3A_christian_political_group_%27the_family%27_openly_reveres_hitler

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  64. chris says:
    @OilcanFloyd
    Both groups of Jews are traitors to America. Neither would protest the harms being done to America by either progressives or Israel-Only Jews. In fact, those groups support much of what is detrimental to America. All they care about is Jewish interests, which is what they are fighting about. They don't care about Palestinians or Americans. They should have their citizenship stripped and be deported to an Israel that gets absolutely no support of any kind from the U.S.

    Is it really any wonder that host after host has turned on Jews? I wonder what percentage of American Jews are actually sensible, decent and patriotic Americans? It can't be very high. Where are these people? Jews brag about their radical tradition and voting like Puerto Ricans, so it seems as though they are telling us where they stand. At this point, any non-Jew who isn't an anti-Semite isn't sensible. The disdain that many Jews have for the rest of America is on full display daily.

    As much as I’d like to give them some credit for standing up to the aipac juggernaut, this is no more than the ol’ college try, because none of them would have been there if Hillary had won.

    Witnes the fact that Obama had the same exact policies vis-a-vis Israeli abuses of Palestinians, right up to his last days in office (and even that move was calculated as leverage for some future action on his part).

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  65. wayfarer says:

    AIPAC an “elite” selfish spoiled child, holds sway over the U.S. government.

    During the Vietnam War, which was prosecuted safely off the battle field by the “elite” –

    58,220 Americans died, 2,500 went missing, and 154,000 were wounded – many seriously.

    Of the Jewish faith, 270 died.

    It’s a statistic that offers shocking perspective to AIPAC’s greedy self-serving agenda in America today.

    When will people stop taking from Americans, and start offering to share in the burdens of this country?

    Sources:

    https://www.archives.gov/research/military/vietnam-war/casualty-statistics.html

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_casualties_of_war

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  66. chris says:
    @Greg Bacon
    https://youtu.be/zFUNEc20iLg

    Even though the JDL was declared a terrorist outfit by the FBI and banned by the DOJ, they operate with impunity on the streets of DC.....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PEt-jJmeqM

    America is starting to look like the Occupied West Bank....

    wait a minute, aren’t these our old friends, Sam and Sherm in the last video, administering the business end of aipac?

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  67. Z-man says:
    @annamaria
    Well. At least the greater number of people are able now to understand the cause of expulsions of Jewish Fifth column from many countries throughout the European history. Was not the noble Spinoza rejected by his brethren? - Too much ethics, I guess... But the pedophile & xenophobe Dershowitz will always be a darling of the psychopathic part of of Judaism, as represented by AIPAC.
    Blair, Kagame, Pelosi, Pence, Haley ... some selection!

    I love your description of Douche-a-witz. Thumbs up!!

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  68. Talha says:
    @Sam Shama

    I have written and spoken before how AIPAC is ultimately doomed as Israel and its basic policies towards Arabs and its neighbors are unsustainable both from a human rights and practical point of view. But that does not mean that it is going away any time soon. The Israel Lobby has the U.S. Congress and media by the throat and the Trump administration promises to be completely uncritical in its relationship......
     
    Dr Giraldi,
    You have a sound basis to call AIPAC's influence formidable, although one doubts any noteworthy change in preferences of the U.S. populace if it were to cease to exist. It's not just Jews, but Christians, primarily evangelicals, but also many Catholics now, are apparently, committed "'Packers". I don't particularly like the organisation, and would even consider the proposal to have it registered a foreign agent, it still leaves open the question as to what earthly difference that might make.

    This subject of AIPAC and other lobby groups has a host of dimensions not restricted to a single-minded vilification of Jews, who while they organise to support Israel can by no means be justly branded anti-American. They are patriotic; in fact, I find many of them blindly so.
    [on a lighter note, believe it or not, these AIPAC dates are also when some people take an Alexandra Burke to hook up :-) ]

    But really a far more weighty subject requires analysing the relative size, form, impact, benefits, commercial interests, defence implications, etc. of extending the $3.8b armaments loan package to Israel. That would be a worthy piece from you or anyone else up for tackling the challenge.

    Israel has been, at least for the past decade or so attempting to greatly improve its relationship with the Arab world.
    http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2016/08/14/saudi-arabias-pro-jewish-media-campaign-seeks-to-pave-way-for-ties-with-israel/

    I think the Palestinian cause can easily benefit from strong Arab nations negotiating on its behalf rather than resorting to the tried and failed method of allowing the PA leadership to make a hash of it while it feathers its own nests.

    I've meant to ask you a question for some time now, but never got around to it: have you visited Israel? [I'd appreciate silence from the peanut gallery please]

    If you haven't, why not consider it and see for yourself the "terrible" conditions in which Arab Israelis apparently live? I assure you none of them wants BDS to do the "needful" and remove their means of earning a living.

    Hey Sam,

    Israel has been, at least for the past decade or so attempting to greatly improve its relationship with the Arab world.

    The problem with this is that (as the article states) they are trying to go through the Saudis who are thoroughly hated in the Muslim world – don’t believe me, take a poll. They would do much better in:
    1) Recognizing that their ties (ancient, ethnic and geographic) to their neighbors are far more important in the long run from those to Europe or the US
    2) Realigning their future with the up and coming and respected powers (Jordan, Iran, etc.) and not the failing, hated ones
    3) This requires negotiating as peers with mutual respect, not the nonsense we see coming out of the Israeli government (and frankly, some of the Arab states)
    4) Being a minority with disproportionately high influence should not be used to manipulate the host countries to those policies that will help only them and foreign buddies and hurt the host (this goes for rich Arab states like Saudis that like to pump money into the system)
    5) Recognizing that the more and more of the Muslim world isn’t afraid anymore (they just took on multiple war theaters with complete loss of air superiority – their cities look like Stalingrads and they are more religious and ready to sacrifice than the secular moderns that populated the Arab world in the 60′s) and has reached a proportion for military casualties which are not looking good for IDF (even according to their stats, the 2006 Lebanese war was around 1:5 military deaths and I read Hezbollah didn’t even deploy some of their most seasoned divisions since they were waiting near the Litani – compare Six Day War blowout for comparison at around 1:18). And the Syrian Army (if it survives) will be one of the most battle-hardened forces in the region via trial-by-fire.

    There are comments on these forums that are far more vitriolic than I have ever, ever seen from Muslims – and I’ve seen some pretty bad ones. It is quite eye-opening. I personally think this can work (if you know the history of that area then you know it is different than European history and it has been made to work before) – a lot of compromise will have to be done – but as of now Israel has to stop any new settlements – period – if they want to be taken seriously. They also have to stop any more influencing Uncle Sam’s adventures in the ME other than telling him to back the hell off – the neocons have to be completely shunned. Basically, they have to give a real signal to the common Muslim man like myself and others in the region that are willing to be sincere – working with Saudi PR firms does not fulfill that requirement it sends the opposite signal and is an insult to our intelligence.

    We have to look forward and not be mired in only the worst of the past – I know that sounds cliche, but I mean it – Israeli-firsters constantly bringing up Bani Quraizah as if it is the only point of reference in our mutual history does not help. And you’ve even seen the way some pro-Israeli guys come at me – I know you don’t – but that’s the kind of low brow crap that is completely disrespectful. You know as well as I do that there was a time when Jews could travel and settle throughout the wider ME – it can happen again.

    Apparently, if some in the West get their way, we may have a situation on our hands where the big burly Ishmaelite has to step forward again and say; alright little guy step behind me again, I got this.

    I say all this as a friend.

    Peace.

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    Hey Talha,
    I know you speak as a friend. Let me try to address some of the things you wrote:

    The problem with this is that (as the article states) they are trying to go through the Saudis who are thoroughly hated in the Muslim world
     
    I had no idea, thought the Saudis were well-loved in Egypt, Libya, Pakistan etc. Most of the Egyptians at my old Alma Mater were funded through Saudi scholarships, so naturally, they were fans. I hear the same of Pakistanis....

    Recognizing that their ties (ancient, ethnic and geographic) to their neighbors are far more important in the long run from those to Europe or the US
     
    Well, I second the notion. Good neighbours and all that. What are we to do with the Palestinians in the WB? The well's been poisoned. There is merit to the idea that they'd be better off under Jordan, and we can even enter into land swaps. However, don't believe a word you read about Israeli Arabs wishing harm upon the state. That is patently untrue. Of course, there are occasional disturbances, rapidly resolved, but Arab citizens desire no truck with movements which seek to undermine their own lot. I have many friends in Arab villages near Netanya and the Galil, and their common lament is for the West to stop meddling with a situation which mostly keeps the Pal issue alive without any positive change. I tell you there is a 'Pal fatigue' amongst Israeli Arabs. I honestly believe a compensation scheme for those which choose to emigrate (Jordan, Egypt) is the best idea in a set of bad choices. A 1SS would be disastrous.

    Modern Israel came into existence a mere 60 years ago, so there remains yet a strong romantic attachment amongst American Jews for her, not dissimilar I reckon from the nostalgia that Irish, Italian or other immigrant groups had for the mother nation during their salad days in America. It's possibly stronger, given the unique history, but the essence isn't any different.


    2) Realigning their future with the up and coming and respected powers (Jordan, Iran, etc.) and not the failing, hated ones
     
    Israel has a firm relationship with Jordan. The dynamic with Iran is tricky and in no small measure influenced by the Sunni majority monarchies of the Hejaz and the Gulf wanting to cut Iranian influence down to size. My own feeling? Better relations with Iran would be a game-changer. Yet I fear given the compounded recent history (3 decades) of increasing fundamentalism gripping the Muslim world, the West experiencing sporadic acts of terror, Israel embracing greater illiberal attitudes we are headed down the path to a clash with the Muslim world. It really is up to our leaders, and here I mean for Mr Trump to stop cold in its tracks, that which looks inevitable.

    3) This requires negotiating as peers with mutual respect, not the nonsense we see coming out of the Israeli government (and frankly, some of the Arab states)
     
    Easier said than done. Monetary weight counts more than most. Both Egypt and Jordan are pretty beholden to the Saudis and the USA to help maintain much of its polity in some semblance of order so that excluding the KSA is an idea dead upon arrival. But yes, the principle is obviously correct. Look, I believe in the end the Donald is not looking to wage war against Iran, and in fact, Jared Kushner is searching the shortest path to the 2SS. We shall see. The Europeans are basically useless in this equation.

    4) Being a minority with disproportionately high influence should not be used to manipulate the host countries to those policies that will help only them and foreign buddies and hurt the host (this goes for rich Arab states like Saudis that like to pump money into the system)
     
    Talha, this is a flawed way to approach the matter. Jews are not "visitors" enjoying the hospitality of the U.S. The echo chambers of this webzine, notwithstanding. That AIPAC exerts significant influence is a function of many things including geopolitical interests, genuine messianic beliefs of a section of the U.S. populace, Israel's favourability ratings, and, not to put too fine a point on it, lucre which finds new worshippers, then as in now, among opportunists (fading neocons at present), not confined to a particular race or religion. BTW, being a Muslim citizen, you are every bit an American as any other and why should you consider yourself a guest?

    5) Recognizing that the more and more of the Muslim world isn’t afraid anymore (they just took on multiple war theaters with complete loss of air superiority – their cities look like Stalingrads and they are more religious and ready to sacrifice than the secular moderns that populated the Arab world in the 60′s) and has reached a proportion for military casualties which are not looking good for IDF
     
    All too true. Pushing Muslim populations to desperate straits where they embrace fanaticism will only lead to the inevitable fireworks. Israel is utterly aware of this. So the daft ideas one spots bandied around here, ideas that Israel wants its neighbours to be in constant chaos are best discarded. Israelis are also getting less open to ideas away from those propounded by the hard-core. Bad business all around. Yet they know they need peace. Which is why I believe a round table with a forceful POTUS, with zero interference from EU has the best odds of success.

    There are comments on these forums that are far more vitriolic than I have ever, ever seen from Muslims – and I’ve seen some pretty bad ones. It is quite eye-opening. I personally think this can work (if you know the history of that area then you know it is different than European history and it has been made to work before) – a lot of compromise will have to be done – but as of now Israel has to stop any new settlements – period – if they want to be taken seriously. They also have to stop any more influencing Uncle Sam’s adventures in the ME other than telling him to back the hell off – the neocons have to be completely shunned. Basically, they have to give a real signal to the common Muslim man like myself and others in the region that are willing to be sincere – working with Saudi PR firms does not fulfill that requirement it sends the opposite signal and is an insult to our intelligence.
     
    I expect the vitriol increases with each passing day. [I have more to say on this after I marshal my thoughts better]

    Israeli-firsters constantly bringing up Bani Quraizah as if it is the only point of reference in our mutual history does not help. And you’ve even seen the way some pro-Israeli guys come at me – I know you don’t – but that’s the kind of low brow crap that is completely disrespectful.
     
    Yes, the Bani Quraizah episode does get good circulation, doesn't it? It's to be ignored. One needs to have a certain stock of equanimity to deal with these annoyances, which I believe I've seen you dispatch with great ease :-)

    Apparently, if some in the West get their way, we may have a situation on our hands where the big burly Ishmaelite has to step forward again and say; alright little guy step behind me again, I got this.
     
    Haha true. But don't get too concerned with the Joe Webb types. A full-length mirror, cowboy boots, no shirt, nor pants (of any layer) and they'll be on their way to an evening of solitary recreation, if not accompanied also, by an excess of onanism.

    Best

    , @Frankie P
    Tahla,

    You claim to say the following as a friend, but by its very nature, it is a statement of someone with little or no understanding of their "friend". It's like saying, "Leopard, change your spots."

    "I personally think this can work (if you know the history of that area then you know it is different than European history and it has been made to work before) – a lot of compromise will have to be done – but as of now Israel has to stop any new settlements – period – if they want to be taken seriously. They also have to stop any more influencing Uncle Sam’s adventures in the ME other than telling him to back the hell off – the neocons have to be completely shunned. Basically, they have to give a real signal to the common Muslim man like myself and others in the region that are willing to be sincere"

    "You know as well as I do that there was a time when Jews could travel and settle throughout the wider ME – it can happen again."

    Jews still live peacefully in Iran. I highly doubt that ISRAELI Jews will be welcomed in any of the destroyed and destabilized MENA states, countries that were fragmented and weakened solely for the benefit of Israel.

    In sum, Talha, there is only one solution to this problem, and it will be worked out organically.

    The solution is "Demographic change"

    Think about it.

    Frankie P
    , @NoseytheDuke
    Talha, you may be Sham's friend but Sham is not your friend.
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  69. @Seraphim
    @back in town

    Was it ever out? It is more 'in' than ever.

    "White House Announces Jared Kushner Is Now Responsible For Everything"
    @http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/jared-kushner-everything czar_us_58d95499e4b02a2eaab6664f

    "Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner’s choice of neighborhood narrows the focus on Chabad":
    The residence they have reportedly picked, on Tracy Place NW, is about half a mile from TheShul of the Nation’s Capital, a synagogue run by the active Orthodox Jewish organization Chabad....
    ome of Washington’s highest-profile observant Jews, including Treasury Secretary Jack Lew and longtime senator and 2000 vice presidential candidate Joseph I. Lieberman, have sometimes attended services at TheShul as an alternative to Kesher Israel, where they more frequently spent Shabbat. Numerous Jewish ambassadors from foreign countries have chosen to worship at TheShul..."
    @https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2017/01/05/ivanka-trump-and-jared-kushners-choice-of-neighborhood-narrows-the-focus-on-chabad/?utm_term=.1bce47e39bc2

    "Recently, Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner visited the Ohel*, and every Jewish media outlet covered their visit. However...Trump and Kushner's visit was not publicized by Chabad".
    @http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/227102

    *The Cambria Heights, Queens "Ohel" (literally 'tent' but used by Chabad hassidim to mean 'tomb') of the sixth and seventh Chabad-Lubavitch Rebbes, Rabbi Yosef Yitzchak Scheerson and his son-in-law Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, has become a 24-hour hub of activity with visitors stopping at all hours of day and night to pray and ask for blessings.
    Thousands of Jews, from all backgrounds and ethnicities, as well as politicians, diplomats, and many others, visit the site every day of the year.

    Yes, the ones with silly hairstyles.
    "Vice President Mike Pence on Sunday put the issue of moving the U.S. embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem back on the table, telling pro-Israel lobbying group that President Donald Trump was giving “serious consideration” to the issue.
    @http://www.newsweek.com/mike-pence-trump-us-embassy-jerusalem-consideration-574576

    Lasciate ogni speranza...

    Instead of moving just the US Embassy to Jerusalem why not move our Capitol there? Our lawmakers would then be closer to their most important constituency. If there is no space for the entire American government certainly relocating the US Treasury would make sense.

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  70. Incitatus says:
    @OilcanFloyd
    America has a Jewish Question. It's that simple.

    “America has a Jewish Question. It’s that simple.”

    If history serves, the phrase is ‘Judenfrage.’

    What’s the answer (‘Antwort’) Floyd? Prohibit them the means to a living? Confiscate their wealth? Put them in ghettos? Deport them to Madagascar or [insert destination here]? ‘Resettlement camps’ [insert destination here] with mandatory labor (after all, wouldn’t want to spoil them with a magnificent dole of 800 calories/day, exposure and all the beatings they can take). When all else fails a ‘final solution’ (Endlösing)?’

    Naturally, these options all have downsides. Jews are excellent scapegoats. The gift that keeps on giving. Ask Wilhelm und Adolf. How do you think they were empowered? Start and lose WW1? Blame the Jews (OK, Willie also blamed Freemasons). Want to opt out of a treaty? Start a new war? Lose a war (again)? Blame the Jews. Business poor? Crops fail? Blame the Jews. Dental problems? Well, you get the idea.

    Such easy solace for failure is hard to pass up. Mind you, I’m not Jewish, so I don’t really have a dog in that fight.

    What I’d like to know, Floyd, is after the Jews are gone who’s next?

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    Americans have a Jewish problem. It is THEIR problem, not of the Jews. What can they do to solve it? Simply cease listening to the Jews, cease groveling to AIPAC, declaring their eternal love for Israel and letting them dictate their policies. Indeed, America first. It is not Jewish interests that should be America's paramount interest. It is not Israel that should formulate American policies. Forbid the 'Lobby' (all lobbies for that matter). Close AIPAC.
    Blame the bycicle-riders!
    , @JoaoAlfaiate
    If I moved around a lot and had had 20 different neighbors, all of whom hated me, I think I'd be a bit introspective.
    , @OilcanFloyd
    Incitatus, what does resenting Jewish traitors and rabble rousers in America have to do with Nazis or the holocaust? I'm an American dealing with American issues, and we do have a very real Jewish problem. Americans have been very good to Jews, and this is what we get in return?

    Guess what? I don't like Jews as a group. So what? I don't see them doing much good for America as a group, and I perfectly well understand why they have been shown the door and the sword so many times, by so many different peoples. If Jews were as traitorous, hostile and corrosive in Europe as they are in America (the holodomar shows that they were far worse, so far!) then I completely understand the desire to be rid of them, either voluntarily or by force if they refused to leave. No big deal. Whatever actually happened to Jews during WWII, I don't care. You can shove Auschwitz up your backside. That's exactly how I feel. To hell with you. To hell with AIPAC and Jewish SJWs. To hell with the so-called holocaust. To hell with Israel, and to hell with your tribe.

    That's exactly how I feel, and I'm not a Nazi. I'm an American patriot. Next year in Washington!
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  71. anon says: • Disclaimer

    AIPAC merely reveals the lack of backbone and principle in Americans, whether through greedy politicians or apathetic Americans who don’t care enough to mobilize against this threat.

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  72. Incitatus says:
    @iffen
    I think the Palestinian cause can easily benefit from strong Arab nations negotiating on its behalf

    Would this be as beneficial to the Pals as was the Arab action on their "behalf" in '48?

    Sam and iffen,

    Crossing to Syria from Jordan ‘76 I witnessed a fist fight between respective nationals. I’ve thought since that to assume Arab nations monolithic a mistake. Just as to say all Christian nations are the same.

    Talha is correct. Saudis are disliked in the wider faith. Not without reason. Too many wild parties in Beirut and London (while selling access to the Hadj). Kuwaitis probably come in second. Islam affords no monolithic block. Any more than Christianity.

    Other Arab nations negotiating for Palestinians? Wouldn’t bet on it. Likud alliance with KSA? May not work out well. My opinion.

    Palestinians’ biggest mistake? Allowing the PLO to cheer Saddam post Desert Storm. Many talented professionals I knew with in the Gulf were expelled stateless and unemployed. A great loss.

    If there’s an answer, it’s between Israel and the Palestinians. Hard choices need to made by both. Does Israel want to expel Pals on camera as the world watches? Citing historic abuse (justified) while depriving fellow humans of their rights? I have no easy answers (wish I did).

    Best.

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    Other Arab nations negotiating for Palestinians? Wouldn’t bet on it. Likud alliance with KSA? May not work out well. My opinion.
     
    Your opinion carries weight. I say this proposal has merit for a set of reasons not based on an appeal to Arab or Muslim solidarity. More, that the time to read the riot act has arrived for both Israel and the PA. Better parties to play the role of enforcer than the financial patrons?

    Palestinians’ biggest mistake? Allowing the PLO to cheer Saddam post Desert Storm. Many talented professionals I knew with in the Gulf were expelled stateless and unemployed. A great loss.
     
    Agreed. This is a little-known point of recent history which does not find much currency in these echo chambers. Really, the Palestinians are the least preferred ethnics in the Gulf. Even amongst the Israeli Arabs, a Pal fatigue has set in...

    If there’s an answer, it’s between Israel and the Palestinians. Hard choices need to made by both. Does Israel want to expel Pals on camera as the world watches? Citing historic abuse (justified) while depriving fellow humans of their rights? I have no easy answers (wish I did).
     
    Its been "tried" apparently. Requires leaders who care less for re-election than determinedly achieving a solution. Netanyahu? Don't know. PA leadership? Well.....Israel certainly would not do well to expel them, in camera, or, in the cover of the dark. Experience of historic abuse requires Jews to not perpetrate the very same, doesn't it? That's easy. What I am less certain of is how we extend full citizenship to Pals in a 1SS without unleashing a precarious demographic nightmare. Which is why I don't see an alternative to a 2SS, with Jordan assuming a significant part in the proceedings.
    , @iffen
    If there’s an answer, it’s between Israel and the Palestinians.

    I agree. Why is the idea that all these Arab and Muslim countries have to be involved in negotiations assumed to be true? Is it just because they are in the region? Was Israel involved in the peace negotiations between Iran and Iraq? Iraq and Kuwait? Will they be involved in peace negotiations in Syria?
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  73. after the Jews are gone who’s next?

    Asians, Africans, any Europeans from East of the Channel and the Irish, and the invaders from South of the Border.

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  74. Sam Shama says:
    @Talha
    Hey Sam,

    Israel has been, at least for the past decade or so attempting to greatly improve its relationship with the Arab world.
     
    The problem with this is that (as the article states) they are trying to go through the Saudis who are thoroughly hated in the Muslim world - don't believe me, take a poll. They would do much better in:
    1) Recognizing that their ties (ancient, ethnic and geographic) to their neighbors are far more important in the long run from those to Europe or the US
    2) Realigning their future with the up and coming and respected powers (Jordan, Iran, etc.) and not the failing, hated ones
    3) This requires negotiating as peers with mutual respect, not the nonsense we see coming out of the Israeli government (and frankly, some of the Arab states)
    4) Being a minority with disproportionately high influence should not be used to manipulate the host countries to those policies that will help only them and foreign buddies and hurt the host (this goes for rich Arab states like Saudis that like to pump money into the system)
    5) Recognizing that the more and more of the Muslim world isn't afraid anymore (they just took on multiple war theaters with complete loss of air superiority - their cities look like Stalingrads and they are more religious and ready to sacrifice than the secular moderns that populated the Arab world in the 60's) and has reached a proportion for military casualties which are not looking good for IDF (even according to their stats, the 2006 Lebanese war was around 1:5 military deaths and I read Hezbollah didn't even deploy some of their most seasoned divisions since they were waiting near the Litani - compare Six Day War blowout for comparison at around 1:18). And the Syrian Army (if it survives) will be one of the most battle-hardened forces in the region via trial-by-fire.

    There are comments on these forums that are far more vitriolic than I have ever, ever seen from Muslims - and I've seen some pretty bad ones. It is quite eye-opening. I personally think this can work (if you know the history of that area then you know it is different than European history and it has been made to work before) - a lot of compromise will have to be done - but as of now Israel has to stop any new settlements - period - if they want to be taken seriously. They also have to stop any more influencing Uncle Sam's adventures in the ME other than telling him to back the hell off - the neocons have to be completely shunned. Basically, they have to give a real signal to the common Muslim man like myself and others in the region that are willing to be sincere - working with Saudi PR firms does not fulfill that requirement it sends the opposite signal and is an insult to our intelligence.

    We have to look forward and not be mired in only the worst of the past - I know that sounds cliche, but I mean it - Israeli-firsters constantly bringing up Bani Quraizah as if it is the only point of reference in our mutual history does not help. And you've even seen the way some pro-Israeli guys come at me - I know you don't - but that's the kind of low brow crap that is completely disrespectful. You know as well as I do that there was a time when Jews could travel and settle throughout the wider ME - it can happen again.

    Apparently, if some in the West get their way, we may have a situation on our hands where the big burly Ishmaelite has to step forward again and say; alright little guy step behind me again, I got this.

    I say all this as a friend.

    Peace.

    Hey Talha,
    I know you speak as a friend. Let me try to address some of the things you wrote:

    The problem with this is that (as the article states) they are trying to go through the Saudis who are thoroughly hated in the Muslim world

    I had no idea, thought the Saudis were well-loved in Egypt, Libya, Pakistan etc. Most of the Egyptians at my old Alma Mater were funded through Saudi scholarships, so naturally, they were fans. I hear the same of Pakistanis….

    Recognizing that their ties (ancient, ethnic and geographic) to their neighbors are far more important in the long run from those to Europe or the US

    Well, I second the notion. Good neighbours and all that. What are we to do with the Palestinians in the WB? The well’s been poisoned. There is merit to the idea that they’d be better off under Jordan, and we can even enter into land swaps. However, don’t believe a word you read about Israeli Arabs wishing harm upon the state. That is patently untrue. Of course, there are occasional disturbances, rapidly resolved, but Arab citizens desire no truck with movements which seek to undermine their own lot. I have many friends in Arab villages near Netanya and the Galil, and their common lament is for the West to stop meddling with a situation which mostly keeps the Pal issue alive without any positive change. I tell you there is a ‘Pal fatigue’ amongst Israeli Arabs. I honestly believe a compensation scheme for those which choose to emigrate (Jordan, Egypt) is the best idea in a set of bad choices. A 1SS would be disastrous.

    Modern Israel came into existence a mere 60 years ago, so there remains yet a strong romantic attachment amongst American Jews for her, not dissimilar I reckon from the nostalgia that Irish, Italian or other immigrant groups had for the mother nation during their salad days in America. It’s possibly stronger, given the unique history, but the essence isn’t any different.

    2) Realigning their future with the up and coming and respected powers (Jordan, Iran, etc.) and not the failing, hated ones

    Israel has a firm relationship with Jordan. The dynamic with Iran is tricky and in no small measure influenced by the Sunni majority monarchies of the Hejaz and the Gulf wanting to cut Iranian influence down to size. My own feeling? Better relations with Iran would be a game-changer. Yet I fear given the compounded recent history (3 decades) of increasing fundamentalism gripping the Muslim world, the West experiencing sporadic acts of terror, Israel embracing greater illiberal attitudes we are headed down the path to a clash with the Muslim world. It really is up to our leaders, and here I mean for Mr Trump to stop cold in its tracks, that which looks inevitable.

    3) This requires negotiating as peers with mutual respect, not the nonsense we see coming out of the Israeli government (and frankly, some of the Arab states)

    Easier said than done. Monetary weight counts more than most. Both Egypt and Jordan are pretty beholden to the Saudis and the USA to help maintain much of its polity in some semblance of order so that excluding the KSA is an idea dead upon arrival. But yes, the principle is obviously correct. Look, I believe in the end the Donald is not looking to wage war against Iran, and in fact, Jared Kushner is searching the shortest path to the 2SS. We shall see. The Europeans are basically useless in this equation.

    4) Being a minority with disproportionately high influence should not be used to manipulate the host countries to those policies that will help only them and foreign buddies and hurt the host (this goes for rich Arab states like Saudis that like to pump money into the system)

    Talha, this is a flawed way to approach the matter. Jews are not “visitors” enjoying the hospitality of the U.S. The echo chambers of this webzine, notwithstanding. That AIPAC exerts significant influence is a function of many things including geopolitical interests, genuine messianic beliefs of a section of the U.S. populace, Israel’s favourability ratings, and, not to put too fine a point on it, lucre which finds new worshippers, then as in now, among opportunists (fading neocons at present), not confined to a particular race or religion. BTW, being a Muslim citizen, you are every bit an American as any other and why should you consider yourself a guest?

    5) Recognizing that the more and more of the Muslim world isn’t afraid anymore (they just took on multiple war theaters with complete loss of air superiority – their cities look like Stalingrads and they are more religious and ready to sacrifice than the secular moderns that populated the Arab world in the 60′s) and has reached a proportion for military casualties which are not looking good for IDF

    All too true. Pushing Muslim populations to desperate straits where they embrace fanaticism will only lead to the inevitable fireworks. Israel is utterly aware of this. So the daft ideas one spots bandied around here, ideas that Israel wants its neighbours to be in constant chaos are best discarded. Israelis are also getting less open to ideas away from those propounded by the hard-core. Bad business all around. Yet they know they need peace. Which is why I believe a round table with a forceful POTUS, with zero interference from EU has the best odds of success.

    There are comments on these forums that are far more vitriolic than I have ever, ever seen from Muslims – and I’ve seen some pretty bad ones. It is quite eye-opening. I personally think this can work (if you know the history of that area then you know it is different than European history and it has been made to work before) – a lot of compromise will have to be done – but as of now Israel has to stop any new settlements – period – if they want to be taken seriously. They also have to stop any more influencing Uncle Sam’s adventures in the ME other than telling him to back the hell off – the neocons have to be completely shunned. Basically, they have to give a real signal to the common Muslim man like myself and others in the region that are willing to be sincere – working with Saudi PR firms does not fulfill that requirement it sends the opposite signal and is an insult to our intelligence.

    I expect the vitriol increases with each passing day. [I have more to say on this after I marshal my thoughts better]

    Israeli-firsters constantly bringing up Bani Quraizah as if it is the only point of reference in our mutual history does not help. And you’ve even seen the way some pro-Israeli guys come at me – I know you don’t – but that’s the kind of low brow crap that is completely disrespectful.

    Yes, the Bani Quraizah episode does get good circulation, doesn’t it? It’s to be ignored. One needs to have a certain stock of equanimity to deal with these annoyances, which I believe I’ve seen you dispatch with great ease :-)

    Apparently, if some in the West get their way, we may have a situation on our hands where the big burly Ishmaelite has to step forward again and say; alright little guy step behind me again, I got this.

    Haha true. But don’t get too concerned with the Joe Webb types. A full-length mirror, cowboy boots, no shirt, nor pants (of any layer) and they’ll be on their way to an evening of solitary recreation, if not accompanied also, by an excess of onanism.

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    "the up and coming respected and powerful states (Jordan and Iran)"

    To All -- and not exclusively for YOU, Sam he Sham!

    Above quote, the "peanut gallery"gets to see Sam the Sham at his best hasbara game! er... what's that? The Sham called Iran a "respected" state? Did his horse kick him in his head?

    And Jordan -- a "powerful" state? Phooey.

    But Iran, that actually is a different story! At present even crooked Sam The Sham must acknowledge the Islamic Republic of Iran as a respected & powerful country!

    Today's Wall Street Journal features a very good (front page) article called "Iran lures foreign investors," by Asa Fitch and Benoit Faucon.

    Western countries are bursting through Iran's doors to do business, but alas, U.S.A. Zionist-fearing companies are noticeably absent. Four Star General, Gomer Pyle, "Surprise, surprise!"

    Iran's President Rouhani's economic team is expected to sign approximately a dozen memorandums of economic understanding with Russia and the talks will include President Vladimir Putin. Bibi Netanyahu at home, sulking, and reading his gift of Flaviux's history? uh, I don't think so.

    Please take care to note that Sam The Sham must have received an advance Hasbara-memo that directs him to "go easy" for now on Israel's existential enemy, the nuke armed Mullahs.

    The Jews are "for" the money, "by" the money and "of' the money. So hold on to your wallets, All!

    I reckon that the New World Order is considering "cutting" some world space which might allow for the survival of a wealthy & powerful Islamic country besides Saudi Arabia. The Goldman Sachs Group won't mind especially since they are trying to do untethered investment business with The Peoples Republic of China.

    From behind closed Temple doors... big shit about to erupt.

    The Master Jews wouldn't be cut out of even a Hell's Kitchen-business, that is of course, tentative to a contract guarantee that THEY are the one's who do the burning.

    "Disgusting!" Amen.
    , @iffen
    BTW, being a Muslim citizen, you are every bit an American as any other and why should you consider yourself a guest?

    Religious belief, any Muslim in a non-Muslim country is a guest.

    How'd I do, Talha?

    Wait, do you consider your wife and children guests?

    You simply have to find those gold tablets, Talha, it's the only way.
    , @Talha
    Hey Sam,

    thought the Saudis were well-loved
     
    They have to buy friends. The rich elite in many countries love them, but the common man? I don't think I have met one who thinks well of them.

    we are headed down the path to a clash with the Muslim world
     
    I want to avoid this completely - I do hope cooler heads prevail.

    this is a flawed way to approach the matter
     
    You got me there - wow, sorry - I didn't even know I was doing that. Well, when you get called a visitor or invader enough, you start to internalize (and apparently project) it.

    BTW, being a Muslim citizen, you are every bit an American as any other and why should you consider yourself a guest?
     
    Two sides to this; 1) in the secular framework I am a citizen, 2) according to the sacred law - not UNZ posters - (which is the framework one falls back on if the secular one fails), I am a basically a dhimmi in a non-Muslim land - a guest/visitor with a contract between me and the government of the land in which I reside - one with a boatload of rights, but one must be realistic about these things.

    Bad business all around.
     
    Indeed and they need to be publicly vocal that if the US is going to war or trying to topple Syria or something that; a) they are completely opposed to it, b) remain neutral and not take advantage of these situations to bomb munitions plants or other things they do and c) definitely not throw in their lot with regional players that will cause even more havoc - like Kurds trying to carve out their own nation-state. Again, unless those things take place, people will not take overtures seriously.

    Yes, the Bani Quraizah episode
     
    Yeah, they never talk about how the Caliph Umar (ra) set a precedent of conduct for us by granting a blind, old Jewish man a pension from the Muslim state treasury to relieve him from having to beg. That and other historical occurrences get swept under the rug.

    Peace.

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  75. Frankie P says:
    @Talha
    Hey Sam,

    Israel has been, at least for the past decade or so attempting to greatly improve its relationship with the Arab world.
     
    The problem with this is that (as the article states) they are trying to go through the Saudis who are thoroughly hated in the Muslim world - don't believe me, take a poll. They would do much better in:
    1) Recognizing that their ties (ancient, ethnic and geographic) to their neighbors are far more important in the long run from those to Europe or the US
    2) Realigning their future with the up and coming and respected powers (Jordan, Iran, etc.) and not the failing, hated ones
    3) This requires negotiating as peers with mutual respect, not the nonsense we see coming out of the Israeli government (and frankly, some of the Arab states)
    4) Being a minority with disproportionately high influence should not be used to manipulate the host countries to those policies that will help only them and foreign buddies and hurt the host (this goes for rich Arab states like Saudis that like to pump money into the system)
    5) Recognizing that the more and more of the Muslim world isn't afraid anymore (they just took on multiple war theaters with complete loss of air superiority - their cities look like Stalingrads and they are more religious and ready to sacrifice than the secular moderns that populated the Arab world in the 60's) and has reached a proportion for military casualties which are not looking good for IDF (even according to their stats, the 2006 Lebanese war was around 1:5 military deaths and I read Hezbollah didn't even deploy some of their most seasoned divisions since they were waiting near the Litani - compare Six Day War blowout for comparison at around 1:18). And the Syrian Army (if it survives) will be one of the most battle-hardened forces in the region via trial-by-fire.

    There are comments on these forums that are far more vitriolic than I have ever, ever seen from Muslims - and I've seen some pretty bad ones. It is quite eye-opening. I personally think this can work (if you know the history of that area then you know it is different than European history and it has been made to work before) - a lot of compromise will have to be done - but as of now Israel has to stop any new settlements - period - if they want to be taken seriously. They also have to stop any more influencing Uncle Sam's adventures in the ME other than telling him to back the hell off - the neocons have to be completely shunned. Basically, they have to give a real signal to the common Muslim man like myself and others in the region that are willing to be sincere - working with Saudi PR firms does not fulfill that requirement it sends the opposite signal and is an insult to our intelligence.

    We have to look forward and not be mired in only the worst of the past - I know that sounds cliche, but I mean it - Israeli-firsters constantly bringing up Bani Quraizah as if it is the only point of reference in our mutual history does not help. And you've even seen the way some pro-Israeli guys come at me - I know you don't - but that's the kind of low brow crap that is completely disrespectful. You know as well as I do that there was a time when Jews could travel and settle throughout the wider ME - it can happen again.

    Apparently, if some in the West get their way, we may have a situation on our hands where the big burly Ishmaelite has to step forward again and say; alright little guy step behind me again, I got this.

    I say all this as a friend.

    Peace.

    Tahla,

    You claim to say the following as a friend, but by its very nature, it is a statement of someone with little or no understanding of their “friend”. It’s like saying, “Leopard, change your spots.”

    “I personally think this can work (if you know the history of that area then you know it is different than European history and it has been made to work before) – a lot of compromise will have to be done – but as of now Israel has to stop any new settlements – period – if they want to be taken seriously. They also have to stop any more influencing Uncle Sam’s adventures in the ME other than telling him to back the hell off – the neocons have to be completely shunned. Basically, they have to give a real signal to the common Muslim man like myself and others in the region that are willing to be sincere”

    “You know as well as I do that there was a time when Jews could travel and settle throughout the wider ME – it can happen again.”

    Jews still live peacefully in Iran. I highly doubt that ISRAELI Jews will be welcomed in any of the destroyed and destabilized MENA states, countries that were fragmented and weakened solely for the benefit of Israel.

    In sum, Talha, there is only one solution to this problem, and it will be worked out organically.

    The solution is “Demographic change”

    Think about it.

    Frankie P

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    Hey Frankie,

    Jews still live peacefully in Iran.
     
    This is the gist of what I am getting at - it will not be done by burning bridges. One must be realistic and extend a hand in good faith. And sometimes one does not get what they want at the time that they want it; one must look to the big picture and the far future. As you likely know, the history of the Middle East does not parallel that of Europe. Too much of the narrative is caught up in what happened on that continent and we are all held hostage by it.

    A scholar I look up to recently posted (after having visited the site of where it occurred):
    Hudaybiyyah [the treaty] is a beautiful reminder: through principled compromise, vision and steadfastness, Allah grants what He doesn't give to the impetuous.

    I do not consider myself a friend of 'Israel' (or many other nation-states) - but it is an organizational abstraction and frankly too much of its roots are European and foreign to that land and I couldn't care less if it dissolved tomorrow. But the individual people; Jews, Muslims and Christians are real flesh and blood - they are my concern. Yes, it will have to be solved organically, but I do not want a bloodbath in the Holy Land to prove a point. One must be realistic in the way they approach things - you can see how the nutcases are doing with trying to revive their utopian caliphate in Syria/Iraq - they've made it a hell for everyone else.

    Peace.

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    I have written and spoken before how AIPAC is ultimately doomed as Israel and its basic policies towards Arabs and its neighbors are unsustainable both from a human rights and practical point of view. But that does not mean that it is going away any time soon. The Israel Lobby has the U.S. Congress and media by the throat and the Trump administration promises to be completely uncritical in its relationship......
     
    Dr Giraldi,
    You have a sound basis to call AIPAC's influence formidable, although one doubts any noteworthy change in preferences of the U.S. populace if it were to cease to exist. It's not just Jews, but Christians, primarily evangelicals, but also many Catholics now, are apparently, committed "'Packers". I don't particularly like the organisation, and would even consider the proposal to have it registered a foreign agent, it still leaves open the question as to what earthly difference that might make.

    This subject of AIPAC and other lobby groups has a host of dimensions not restricted to a single-minded vilification of Jews, who while they organise to support Israel can by no means be justly branded anti-American. They are patriotic; in fact, I find many of them blindly so.
    [on a lighter note, believe it or not, these AIPAC dates are also when some people take an Alexandra Burke to hook up :-) ]

    But really a far more weighty subject requires analysing the relative size, form, impact, benefits, commercial interests, defence implications, etc. of extending the $3.8b armaments loan package to Israel. That would be a worthy piece from you or anyone else up for tackling the challenge.

    Israel has been, at least for the past decade or so attempting to greatly improve its relationship with the Arab world.
    http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2016/08/14/saudi-arabias-pro-jewish-media-campaign-seeks-to-pave-way-for-ties-with-israel/

    I think the Palestinian cause can easily benefit from strong Arab nations negotiating on its behalf rather than resorting to the tried and failed method of allowing the PA leadership to make a hash of it while it feathers its own nests.

    I've meant to ask you a question for some time now, but never got around to it: have you visited Israel? [I'd appreciate silence from the peanut gallery please]

    If you haven't, why not consider it and see for yourself the "terrible" conditions in which Arab Israelis apparently live? I assure you none of them wants BDS to do the "needful" and remove their means of earning a living.

    “I’d appreciate silence from the peanut gallery please”

    Hey Sam The Sham,

    In contrast to Talha, forthright, I speak as an enemy.

    Who the fuck do you think you are by addressing “Mr. Giraldi” and asking for the “peanut gallery’s” silence “Disgusting!!!”

    P.G. will truly disappoint were he to make a reply to YOU who has no power but to deliriously obfuscate and lie.

    To reiterate, I know who you are and others are leaning fast too!

    No ad hominen attacks from me, Shammie, I’d really like to have the power to release your horses and incarcerate you in the Bronx Zoo — toss Brand-X peanuts into your cage.

    And invite the 9-11 victims families to look deeply at you.

    Selah!

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    In contrast to Talha, forthright, I speak as an enemy.
     
    Your writing is problematic. Did you mean to write 'forthwith'? Are we enemies then? after all, didn't I unsay something? You disappoint me.

    [Who the fuck do you think you are by addressing “Mr. Giraldi” and asking for the “peanut gallery’s” silence “Disgusting!!!”]
     
    I am who I am to you, and didn't I seek silence from the peanut gallery? I do have friends in the peanut gallery btw, not the snob you take me for :-) .

    You sound upset mate. You also sound like a chap I used to exchange pleasantries with on these pages, glaringly through his absence for the past weeks. Touchy fellow, rather quick to draw the unsolicited broadsword in Giraldi's defense. Are you travelling incognito my faux Athenian?


    To reiterate, I know who you are and others are leaning fast too!
     
    You do? Are the others 'leaning' this way or the other? Leaning too fast can cause vertigo. Better be careful mate.

    No ad hominen attacks from me, Shammie, I’d really like to have the power to release your horses and incarcerate you in the Bronx Zoo — toss Brand-X peanuts into your cage.
     
    Really the permutations on 'ad hominem' spotted on these pages do not fail to entertain. The other fellow (I forget who) wrote something like ad homoname or something similar. LOL.

    You won't have the power to release my horses, so spare yourself the torture of a desire never to be fulfilled. Besides, my favourite Arabian, Al-Nūr, would not tolerate Woodchucks in the vicinity :-)

    Enjoy the peanuts though

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  77. Seraphim says:
    @LondonBob
    I expect they will be giving serious consideration to moving the US embassy for a long time...

    I had thought the anti Russian propaganda had died down a bit recently but ever since the Kremlin slapped down Netanyahoo over Syria it seems to have cranked back up.

    My impression was always that Netanyahoo went to Moscow to deliver the message to Putin: the fate of Haman (impaling) is awaiting you if you dare to stay in the way of G-d’s people! The message in response was that Israel would have the fate of Judaea described in Josephus’ ‘Bellum Judaicum’.
    The Jews did not understood the message of the destruction of the Temple (as they did not understand the message of the destruction of the first Temple either) and continued their revolts until their ‘kingdom’ was completely wiped out. Apparently they don’t understand even now and they double down. Mobilization of the ‘opposition’ in Russia, preparation of a ‘Maidan’ in Belarus, unleashing of ISIS in Chechnya, increase in Ukrainian belligerence, barely veiled declaration of war against Russia and its infamous ally Iran (John Bolton: “The next conflict is already underway… Iran is the principle threat.”).

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    "...barely veiled declaration of war against Russia." It is hard to notice the veil.
    The supremacists have been leading the world to a global catastrophe. Hubris, absence of critical thought and the relativism in ethics are bad advisors.
    The enormous resources have been wasted on destruction, pollution, and slaughter of healthy children in the Middle East. A confluence of the stupid Zionist project and the insatiable thirst for money and power could well lead to the end of humanity. And if the psychopaths are not stopped, the end could happen rather soon.
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  78. Seraphim says:
    @Incitatus
    “America has a Jewish Question. It’s that simple.”

    If history serves, the phrase is ‘Judenfrage.’

    What’s the answer ('Antwort') Floyd? Prohibit them the means to a living? Confiscate their wealth? Put them in ghettos? Deport them to Madagascar or [insert destination here]? ‘Resettlement camps’ [insert destination here] with mandatory labor (after all, wouldn’t want to spoil them with a magnificent dole of 800 calories/day, exposure and all the beatings they can take). When all else fails a ‘final solution’ (Endlösing)?’

    Naturally, these options all have downsides. Jews are excellent scapegoats. The gift that keeps on giving. Ask Wilhelm und Adolf. How do you think they were empowered? Start and lose WW1? Blame the Jews (OK, Willie also blamed Freemasons). Want to opt out of a treaty? Start a new war? Lose a war (again)? Blame the Jews. Business poor? Crops fail? Blame the Jews. Dental problems? Well, you get the idea.

    Such easy solace for failure is hard to pass up. Mind you, I’m not Jewish, so I don’t really have a dog in that fight.

    What I’d like to know, Floyd, is after the Jews are gone who’s next?

    Americans have a Jewish problem. It is THEIR problem, not of the Jews. What can they do to solve it? Simply cease listening to the Jews, cease groveling to AIPAC, declaring their eternal love for Israel and letting them dictate their policies. Indeed, America first. It is not Jewish interests that should be America’s paramount interest. It is not Israel that should formulate American policies. Forbid the ‘Lobby’ (all lobbies for that matter). Close AIPAC.
    Blame the bycicle-riders!

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    Hello Seraphim,

    “Simply cease listening to the Jews, cease groveling to AIPAC, declaring their eternal love for Israel and letting them dictate their policies.”

    I believe AIPAC is a foreign lobbyist and should be treated as such (not new on my behalf). But let me parse your statement. Where Jews are American citizens, they should be listened to as much as any others. You’ll find many disagree with AIPAC (settlements, Iran, Iraq 2003, etc). Not all, but many.

    Most important, whatever their views, ALL have equal rights as citizens. To say anything less is to pass a ‘poison chalice’ to ourselves. Law, always imperfect, means everything. Aeschylus, rescuing Hellenes from blood feud, knew it. Normans dealing with King John knew it.

    I believe in George Washington’s parting advice - avoid passionate attachments. Be it France, England or anyone since. It’s bad for everybody.

    Likud Israel? Distorted by decades support from our Congress. Is it their fault? Partly. Is it also our Congress? Their nudge-nudge, wink-wink and here’s another $600 mill above the already corrupt subsidy to the US defense industry? Cameo appearances to preach to AIPAC? US politicians love it. It’s easy. One-dimensional moral posturing and a chance bring back bacon to your district’s defense contractors. What’s not to like?

    Is it AIPAC and Israel? Congress (they write the checks)? Our defense industries? My bet's on the latter.
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  79. George says:

    The Picture accompanying an AIPAC article should not feature Orthodox Jews. Orthodox Jews generally do not support a Jewish nation state for religious reasons.

    It’s Not the American Jews, it’s AIPAC!

    http://www.truetorahjews.org/issues/vegas

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neturei_Karta

    Why Orthodox Jews do not serve in the Israeli military

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  80. annamaria says:
    @Seraphim
    My impression was always that Netanyahoo went to Moscow to deliver the message to Putin: the fate of Haman (impaling) is awaiting you if you dare to stay in the way of G-d's people! The message in response was that Israel would have the fate of Judaea described in Josephus' 'Bellum Judaicum'.
    The Jews did not understood the message of the destruction of the Temple (as they did not understand the message of the destruction of the first Temple either) and continued their revolts until their 'kingdom' was completely wiped out. Apparently they don't understand even now and they double down. Mobilization of the 'opposition' in Russia, preparation of a 'Maidan' in Belarus, unleashing of ISIS in Chechnya, increase in Ukrainian belligerence, barely veiled declaration of war against Russia and its infamous ally Iran (John Bolton: “The next conflict is already underway… Iran is the principle threat.”).

    “…barely veiled declaration of war against Russia.” It is hard to notice the veil.
    The supremacists have been leading the world to a global catastrophe. Hubris, absence of critical thought and the relativism in ethics are bad advisors.
    The enormous resources have been wasted on destruction, pollution, and slaughter of healthy children in the Middle East. A confluence of the stupid Zionist project and the insatiable thirst for money and power could well lead to the end of humanity. And if the psychopaths are not stopped, the end could happen rather soon.

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  81. @Pandos
    Be afraid of the Jews. They destroyed Russia and then Germany. They have destroyed ME, control all Western countries, owe US $5 Trillion, 10,000 dead and 50,000 wounded. Watched and knew as Saudi knocked down the towers. And they hate you. Stay low.

    What makes you think it was Saudis who “knocked down” the towers? Is it not more accurate to say that the towers were “pulled down”?

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  82. @Sam Shama

    I have written and spoken before how AIPAC is ultimately doomed as Israel and its basic policies towards Arabs and its neighbors are unsustainable both from a human rights and practical point of view. But that does not mean that it is going away any time soon. The Israel Lobby has the U.S. Congress and media by the throat and the Trump administration promises to be completely uncritical in its relationship......
     
    Dr Giraldi,
    You have a sound basis to call AIPAC's influence formidable, although one doubts any noteworthy change in preferences of the U.S. populace if it were to cease to exist. It's not just Jews, but Christians, primarily evangelicals, but also many Catholics now, are apparently, committed "'Packers". I don't particularly like the organisation, and would even consider the proposal to have it registered a foreign agent, it still leaves open the question as to what earthly difference that might make.

    This subject of AIPAC and other lobby groups has a host of dimensions not restricted to a single-minded vilification of Jews, who while they organise to support Israel can by no means be justly branded anti-American. They are patriotic; in fact, I find many of them blindly so.
    [on a lighter note, believe it or not, these AIPAC dates are also when some people take an Alexandra Burke to hook up :-) ]

    But really a far more weighty subject requires analysing the relative size, form, impact, benefits, commercial interests, defence implications, etc. of extending the $3.8b armaments loan package to Israel. That would be a worthy piece from you or anyone else up for tackling the challenge.

    Israel has been, at least for the past decade or so attempting to greatly improve its relationship with the Arab world.
    http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2016/08/14/saudi-arabias-pro-jewish-media-campaign-seeks-to-pave-way-for-ties-with-israel/

    I think the Palestinian cause can easily benefit from strong Arab nations negotiating on its behalf rather than resorting to the tried and failed method of allowing the PA leadership to make a hash of it while it feathers its own nests.

    I've meant to ask you a question for some time now, but never got around to it: have you visited Israel? [I'd appreciate silence from the peanut gallery please]

    If you haven't, why not consider it and see for yourself the "terrible" conditions in which Arab Israelis apparently live? I assure you none of them wants BDS to do the "needful" and remove their means of earning a living.

    I’ve meant to ask you a question for some time now, but never got around to it: have you visited Israel? [I'd appreciate silence from the peanut gallery please]

    If he goes he better take a Hazmat suit just in case he gets sprayed by an Israeli “skunk” (sewage)sprayer.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-njv7RJqtRM

    Ya gotta be a special kind of sick.

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  83. @Sam Shama
    Hey Talha,
    I know you speak as a friend. Let me try to address some of the things you wrote:

    The problem with this is that (as the article states) they are trying to go through the Saudis who are thoroughly hated in the Muslim world
     
    I had no idea, thought the Saudis were well-loved in Egypt, Libya, Pakistan etc. Most of the Egyptians at my old Alma Mater were funded through Saudi scholarships, so naturally, they were fans. I hear the same of Pakistanis....

    Recognizing that their ties (ancient, ethnic and geographic) to their neighbors are far more important in the long run from those to Europe or the US
     
    Well, I second the notion. Good neighbours and all that. What are we to do with the Palestinians in the WB? The well's been poisoned. There is merit to the idea that they'd be better off under Jordan, and we can even enter into land swaps. However, don't believe a word you read about Israeli Arabs wishing harm upon the state. That is patently untrue. Of course, there are occasional disturbances, rapidly resolved, but Arab citizens desire no truck with movements which seek to undermine their own lot. I have many friends in Arab villages near Netanya and the Galil, and their common lament is for the West to stop meddling with a situation which mostly keeps the Pal issue alive without any positive change. I tell you there is a 'Pal fatigue' amongst Israeli Arabs. I honestly believe a compensation scheme for those which choose to emigrate (Jordan, Egypt) is the best idea in a set of bad choices. A 1SS would be disastrous.

    Modern Israel came into existence a mere 60 years ago, so there remains yet a strong romantic attachment amongst American Jews for her, not dissimilar I reckon from the nostalgia that Irish, Italian or other immigrant groups had for the mother nation during their salad days in America. It's possibly stronger, given the unique history, but the essence isn't any different.


    2) Realigning their future with the up and coming and respected powers (Jordan, Iran, etc.) and not the failing, hated ones
     
    Israel has a firm relationship with Jordan. The dynamic with Iran is tricky and in no small measure influenced by the Sunni majority monarchies of the Hejaz and the Gulf wanting to cut Iranian influence down to size. My own feeling? Better relations with Iran would be a game-changer. Yet I fear given the compounded recent history (3 decades) of increasing fundamentalism gripping the Muslim world, the West experiencing sporadic acts of terror, Israel embracing greater illiberal attitudes we are headed down the path to a clash with the Muslim world. It really is up to our leaders, and here I mean for Mr Trump to stop cold in its tracks, that which looks inevitable.

    3) This requires negotiating as peers with mutual respect, not the nonsense we see coming out of the Israeli government (and frankly, some of the Arab states)
     
    Easier said than done. Monetary weight counts more than most. Both Egypt and Jordan are pretty beholden to the Saudis and the USA to help maintain much of its polity in some semblance of order so that excluding the KSA is an idea dead upon arrival. But yes, the principle is obviously correct. Look, I believe in the end the Donald is not looking to wage war against Iran, and in fact, Jared Kushner is searching the shortest path to the 2SS. We shall see. The Europeans are basically useless in this equation.

    4) Being a minority with disproportionately high influence should not be used to manipulate the host countries to those policies that will help only them and foreign buddies and hurt the host (this goes for rich Arab states like Saudis that like to pump money into the system)
     
    Talha, this is a flawed way to approach the matter. Jews are not "visitors" enjoying the hospitality of the U.S. The echo chambers of this webzine, notwithstanding. That AIPAC exerts significant influence is a function of many things including geopolitical interests, genuine messianic beliefs of a section of the U.S. populace, Israel's favourability ratings, and, not to put too fine a point on it, lucre which finds new worshippers, then as in now, among opportunists (fading neocons at present), not confined to a particular race or religion. BTW, being a Muslim citizen, you are every bit an American as any other and why should you consider yourself a guest?

    5) Recognizing that the more and more of the Muslim world isn’t afraid anymore (they just took on multiple war theaters with complete loss of air superiority – their cities look like Stalingrads and they are more religious and ready to sacrifice than the secular moderns that populated the Arab world in the 60′s) and has reached a proportion for military casualties which are not looking good for IDF
     
    All too true. Pushing Muslim populations to desperate straits where they embrace fanaticism will only lead to the inevitable fireworks. Israel is utterly aware of this. So the daft ideas one spots bandied around here, ideas that Israel wants its neighbours to be in constant chaos are best discarded. Israelis are also getting less open to ideas away from those propounded by the hard-core. Bad business all around. Yet they know they need peace. Which is why I believe a round table with a forceful POTUS, with zero interference from EU has the best odds of success.

    There are comments on these forums that are far more vitriolic than I have ever, ever seen from Muslims – and I’ve seen some pretty bad ones. It is quite eye-opening. I personally think this can work (if you know the history of that area then you know it is different than European history and it has been made to work before) – a lot of compromise will have to be done – but as of now Israel has to stop any new settlements – period – if they want to be taken seriously. They also have to stop any more influencing Uncle Sam’s adventures in the ME other than telling him to back the hell off – the neocons have to be completely shunned. Basically, they have to give a real signal to the common Muslim man like myself and others in the region that are willing to be sincere – working with Saudi PR firms does not fulfill that requirement it sends the opposite signal and is an insult to our intelligence.
     
    I expect the vitriol increases with each passing day. [I have more to say on this after I marshal my thoughts better]

    Israeli-firsters constantly bringing up Bani Quraizah as if it is the only point of reference in our mutual history does not help. And you’ve even seen the way some pro-Israeli guys come at me – I know you don’t – but that’s the kind of low brow crap that is completely disrespectful.
     
    Yes, the Bani Quraizah episode does get good circulation, doesn't it? It's to be ignored. One needs to have a certain stock of equanimity to deal with these annoyances, which I believe I've seen you dispatch with great ease :-)

    Apparently, if some in the West get their way, we may have a situation on our hands where the big burly Ishmaelite has to step forward again and say; alright little guy step behind me again, I got this.
     
    Haha true. But don't get too concerned with the Joe Webb types. A full-length mirror, cowboy boots, no shirt, nor pants (of any layer) and they'll be on their way to an evening of solitary recreation, if not accompanied also, by an excess of onanism.

    Best

    “the up and coming respected and powerful states (Jordan and Iran)”

    To All — and not exclusively for YOU, Sam he Sham!

    Above quote, the “peanut gallery”gets to see Sam the Sham at his best hasbara game! er… what’s that? The Sham called Iran a “respected” state? Did his horse kick him in his head?

    And Jordan — a “powerful” state? Phooey.

    But Iran, that actually is a different story! At present even crooked Sam The Sham must acknowledge the Islamic Republic of Iran as a respected & powerful country!

    Today’s Wall Street Journal features a very good (front page) article called “Iran lures foreign investors,” by Asa Fitch and Benoit Faucon.

    Western countries are bursting through Iran’s doors to do business, but alas, U.S.A. Zionist-fearing companies are noticeably absent. Four Star General, Gomer Pyle, “Surprise, surprise!”

    Iran’s President Rouhani’s economic team is expected to sign approximately a dozen memorandums of economic understanding with Russia and the talks will include President Vladimir Putin. Bibi Netanyahu at home, sulking, and reading his gift of Flaviux’s history? uh, I don’t think so.

    Please take care to note that Sam The Sham must have received an advance Hasbara-memo that directs him to “go easy” for now on Israel’s existential enemy, the nuke armed Mullahs.

    The Jews are “for” the money, “by” the money and “of’ the money. So hold on to your wallets, All!

    I reckon that the New World Order is considering “cutting” some world space which might allow for the survival of a wealthy & powerful Islamic country besides Saudi Arabia. The Goldman Sachs Group won’t mind especially since they are trying to do untethered investment business with The Peoples Republic of China.

    From behind closed Temple doors… big shit about to erupt.

    The Master Jews wouldn’t be cut out of even a Hell’s Kitchen-business, that is of course, tentative to a contract guarantee that THEY are the one’s who do the burning.

    “Disgusting!” Amen.

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    Chucky

    You've mixed up what Talha wrote with my statements. Not that I disagree a great deal with Talha, mind you, but you need to read, retain and assign as and where required. Too difficult? I understand.

    Sadly misinformed you are about U.S. companies not doing business with Iran. Have you any familiarity with the idea of cross-holdings? No? Well I'll let you find out on your own. Here's a clue: U.S-European joint ventures. Putin smiles and partners .......

    The rest of your post says something ...something...about *China*...then *shit erupting* and then *Temple doors*, *Goldman Sachs* what else? You know, Adderall can be helpful.

    cheers.
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  84. Druid says:
    @chris
    In all historical discussions of pogroms, this is the part that's left out, the capturing of nations for their own purposes. Sometimes a nation is coopted toward more liberty (the US in the 60s), sometimes toward more oppression (as currently), the point is that it does not much matter which it is as long as their interests are served. And it's too bad that they always tear out that page out of the history books, which explains the rise before the fall, because the two are, unfortunately for all, inseparable. Thanks for writing that page, Phil

    Very true!

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  85. Sam Shama says:
    @Incitatus
    Sam and iffen,

    Crossing to Syria from Jordan ‘76 I witnessed a fist fight between respective nationals. I’ve thought since that to assume Arab nations monolithic a mistake. Just as to say all Christian nations are the same.

    Talha is correct. Saudis are disliked in the wider faith. Not without reason. Too many wild parties in Beirut and London (while selling access to the Hadj). Kuwaitis probably come in second. Islam affords no monolithic block. Any more than Christianity.

    Other Arab nations negotiating for Palestinians? Wouldn’t bet on it. Likud alliance with KSA? May not work out well. My opinion.

    Palestinians’ biggest mistake? Allowing the PLO to cheer Saddam post Desert Storm. Many talented professionals I knew with in the Gulf were expelled stateless and unemployed. A great loss.

    If there’s an answer, it’s between Israel and the Palestinians. Hard choices need to made by both. Does Israel want to expel Pals on camera as the world watches? Citing historic abuse (justified) while depriving fellow humans of their rights? I have no easy answers (wish I did).

    Best.

    Other Arab nations negotiating for Palestinians? Wouldn’t bet on it. Likud alliance with KSA? May not work out well. My opinion.

    Your opinion carries weight. I say this proposal has merit for a set of reasons not based on an appeal to Arab or Muslim solidarity. More, that the time to read the riot act has arrived for both Israel and the PA. Better parties to play the role of enforcer than the financial patrons?

    Palestinians’ biggest mistake? Allowing the PLO to cheer Saddam post Desert Storm. Many talented professionals I knew with in the Gulf were expelled stateless and unemployed. A great loss.

    Agreed. This is a little-known point of recent history which does not find much currency in these echo chambers. Really, the Palestinians are the least preferred ethnics in the Gulf. Even amongst the Israeli Arabs, a Pal fatigue has set in…

    If there’s an answer, it’s between Israel and the Palestinians. Hard choices need to made by both. Does Israel want to expel Pals on camera as the world watches? Citing historic abuse (justified) while depriving fellow humans of their rights? I have no easy answers (wish I did).

    Its been “tried” apparently. Requires leaders who care less for re-election than determinedly achieving a solution. Netanyahu? Don’t know. PA leadership? Well…..Israel certainly would not do well to expel them, in camera, or, in the cover of the dark. Experience of historic abuse requires Jews to not perpetrate the very same, doesn’t it? That’s easy. What I am less certain of is how we extend full citizenship to Pals in a 1SS without unleashing a precarious demographic nightmare. Which is why I don’t see an alternative to a 2SS, with Jordan assuming a significant part in the proceedings.

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    What I am less certain of is how we extend full citizenship to Pals in a 1SS without unleashing a precarious demographic nightmare.
     
    Hey, Sam. Why is it that when I say "demographic nightmare" for European countries or European-derived countries, I'm a racist... but when you say it for your pet project, you're not? Just askin'.
    , @jacques sheete

    Even amongst the Israeli Arabs, a Pal fatigue has set in…
     
    Possibly so, but there's a lot of fatigue all around it seems.

    Besides, there doesn't seem to be much "Pal fatigue" among American Jews who have a clue.

    ‘US is overwhelmingly partial to Israel,’ Pelosi admits at AIPAC [Sign of AIPAC fatigue, maybe?]

    …but the support for Palestinians is slowly rising– to 80. Bernie Sanders didn’t appear at AIPAC last year, or this year either, for good reason. He actually talks about the occupation, and young Democrats want him to.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2017/03/overwhelmingly-partial-israel/

     

    , @bjondo

    Agreed. This is a little-known point of recent history which does not find much currency in these echo chambers. Really, the Palestinians are the least preferred ethnics in the Gulf. Even amongst the Israeli Arabs, a Pal fatigue has set in
     
    'least preferred' because those below the corrupt, western-approved elite fear the Palestinians because the mass of their citizens strongly support the Palestinians who are the symbol of struggle against monsters, thieves, parasites.

    "Pal fatigue" only among Jews who want all Palestinians gone. Israeli Arabs are Palestinians and are not tired of themselves. All Palestinians (and 97% of the rest of the world) have Jew fatigue to put it mildly.

    , @Incitatus
    Sam,

    Sorry to have missed this earlier.

    KSA’s not well liked in the Gulf or anywhere else (my experience). Talha is right. Consider Bahrain in the 70s (great place under the Khalifas). Now - linked by causeway (‘86)?. KSA meddles daily Bahrain’s affairs. Not for the better, I fear.

    Hamad (schooled in the US) is king. His father was never more than a shaikh (used to appear every Friday if you wanted to talk to him - wonderful figure). What a difference the Sauds and US Fifth Fleet make! What do Bahrainis think? You’d have ask them. Not sure it’s complementary.

    Bin Laben was not stupid. There may be great subsurface dissatisfaction on/in KSA. Attacking Yemen? What’s that all about? A project for an otherwise idle military equipped with the best? Well, except whatever we send Israel.

    Likud allying with the Sauds? Roll the dice and good luck! Don’t expect to be liked by Muslims in the Gulf or Levant (or normal Saudis). Only my opinion.

    “Requires leaders who care less for reelection than determinedly achieving a solution. Netanyahu? Don’t know. PA leadership?”

    Rabin was an exception. Amazing guy. What did it get him? Well, we all know. Death came from a fellow Jew. Go figure (“Killing the King” is a good read). The situation, as you appreciate better than I, is not simple. Amazing there is so much more diversity of opinion within Israel than shows up in the US. AIPAC screening?

    Netanyahu? Siting on a volcano? KSA as allies? Will it really help?
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  86. Svigor says:

    What’s the answer (‘Antwort’) Floyd? Prohibit them the means to a living? Confiscate their wealth? Put them in ghettos? Deport them to Madagascar or [insert destination here]? ‘Resettlement camps’ [insert destination here] with mandatory labor (after all, wouldn’t want to spoil them with a magnificent dole of 800 calories/day, exposure and all the beatings they can take). When all else fails a ‘final solution’ (Endlösing)?’

    Nah. Just make go ahead and complete what was started with “affirmative action,” Diversity mandates, etc; make “Jew” (and everything else, from ethnicity to religion) an official Diversity category, and allow them no more representation in un-elected gov’t than their share of the population. Do the same for any institution that receives public money (including lobbying firms that influence spending). Put pressure on corporate America to do the same, starting at the top, and working down from there.

    That’d be a pretty great start. Jews should love it, they’ve always been big promoters of this stuff.

    Mind you, I’m not Jewish, so I don’t really have a dog in that fight.

    Don’t sell yourself short, your thinking seems entirely Jewish.

    AIPAC merely reveals the lack of backbone and principle in Americans, whether through greedy politicians or apathetic Americans who don’t care enough to mobilize against this threat.

    The Nazis merely revealed the lack of bravery of Jews. Men who rape little old ladies merely reveal the lack of spine of their victims (she can’t buy a gun?). Etc.

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    Ah Svigor,

    Another collection of unattributed quotes taken out of context and manipulated in an irrational rant. Well done!

    You seem to have mastered a very solitary art. I mean very, very, very solitary. Never linking for direct contact. Afraid of it? Cowardice? Need to feed off other’s thoughts but no stomach to confront them? Think they’ll miss your rants and afford you illusory onanism?

    Well, no matter. You know, I went over what you’ve written and it’s way above my head. Help me out:

    “Nah. Just make go ahead and complete what was started with “affirmative action,””

    Give me a hint. I swear I’ll do my best to respond.

    “Don’t sell yourself short, your thinking seems entirely Jewish.”

    As stated I’m not, but I’m flattered. I sometimes fancy myself an Einstein but, Pshaw. There you go again Svigor, trying to seduce me. Poor me! We can’t all be as smart as you.

    I don’t really know what to make of your concluding statement:

    “The Nazis merely revealed the lack of bravery of Jews. Men who rape little old ladies merely reveal the lack of spine of their victims (she can’t buy a gun?). Etc.”

    OK. I admit reading it was kind of like watching ‘Silence of the Lambs’ with you as a sibylline Hannibal Lecter. But that’s unfair. What did you really mean? You’ll have to be patient with me (I heard no voices at Delphi).

    Sorry to intrude on your ‘Fortress of Solitude.’ Say hello to Jor-El for me.
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  87. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Think about it friends. A vast empire dedicated to one thing: making U.S. policy conform to what Israel wants no matter what might be good for Americans. In fact, what is good for Americans does not even enter into their calculation. Disgusting.

    Mr. Giraldi, does it ever happen to you to take a guess at what happens to the thousands of “animals” used “for research” in biotech labs, which you can be fairly sure are widely owned and operated by people of any race (with a lot of White Europeans, obviously)?

    Does it “disgust” you?

    The law of nature, and the law of humans say that the weaker (sometimes the weaker individual, other times group, race, species) have no rights whenever their having rights would prevent the stronger from getting anything they want, the way they please to.

    I hate it with all of my mind and heart. But do you?
    I can respect the ordinary people who, despite what they’ll state in speech, agree with the law.
    What I find the hardest to respect is partial agreement with the law.

    So back to the quoted paragraph, what do you find disgusting about it?
    People with more wits/coordination/will power get it; losers are left watching.

    And, of course, the redoubtable Professor Alan Dershowitz was also a featured speaker, a wonderful human being who recently told us goyim that Jewish power in this country is both deserved and granted by Jehovah. It is interesting how Jews among themselves boast about their power but if a gentile so much as suggests the same thing it is anti-Semitism.

    What religion, what religion that has been successful in history, do you know that doesn’t say that “animals” were created to serve “humans” ‘ needs?
    Do you know why they do so?
    Because:

    1) Those “animals” have less developed brains than humans, and so can’t defend themselves from humans

    No more bullet points, it’s just that, 1).

    Does it disgust you, or to quote strictly, do you find it interesting?

    If you look at the thing from a far-enough point of view, you’ll find, to your great surprise, that there’s no essential difference in how you and your much-disliked Harvard law professor think.
    I believe you are both wrong in your thinking, but you blaming him is… interesting.

    Like North Americans were appointed by God (plenty of literature by Puritans) to govern the South, so other people have been appointed, maybe, by God to govern the whole North + South.

    If I could imbue humans with a virtue, that would be consistency.

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    You are a rare treat....a true Social Darwinist. Yup.....the big eat the small, the smart eat the dumb. Survival of the fittest, not the fattest. All living things compete to survive and then prosper....from viruses to whales....from plankton to redwoods. If nazis stick jooies into ovens set to extra crispy, then that's just the way it is....nothing personal....just another example of Darwinistic competition. If superior aliens land on earth and decide to use humans for medical experiments or target practice, so be it. It is not an original idea, but morality and religion appear to be just another tactic used by the weak, but smart, to gain the upper hand. As of late, the hominid (killer ape) has ascended to primacy...but for how long?
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  88. Svigor says:

    Question for Phil G: do you have any idea how much wealth flows from diaspora Jewry to Israel?

    the mission presumably being the expansion of Israel so it will stretch east to west from the Nile to the River Jordan and north to the Turkish border. The indigenous inhabitants will have to be removed, but as they are mostly terrorists that should be okay with the world community and Donald Trump.

    Yes, it will be interesting to see how Israel starts grabbing land, once theirs is full up. My guess is they’ll do it on the sly. Israeli colonists settlers refugees (“overpopulation!”) move into the nicer nearby parts of Syria, Jordan, and Egypt. They use ex-IDF/US/etc. mercenaries PMCs for most security, with the IDF making the occasional cross-border raid against native resistance, to prove that the refugees have real military support. Or maybe they’ll go full-blown humanitarian instead, and use high tech to make Sinai bloom. Easier to justify a land-grab if it was desert first.

    A sort of De Facto Eretz Israel program.

    Sometimes a nation is coopted toward more liberty (the US in the 60s)

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    It’s revealing that Zionist support Israeli immigration laws which specify JEWS ONLY, while those same Zionists demand massive 3rd world immigration into the US & Europe.

    It’s also revealing that we don’t see Zionists criticizing Israel’s very real WALL.

    It’s also pretty interesting that the vast majority of the Democrat party is Zionist, along with the vast majority of the Republican party. That it is only a Republican insurgency that supports putting any kind of brakes on open borders lunacy in America.

    I’m grateful Israel has such a powerful and effective lobby looking out for its interests.

    I’m glad my donations to AIPAC are having impact.

    Jews usually do have an impact. Until they’re expelled, or pogrommed, or inquisitioned, or holocausted. The former tends to cause the latter, in fact.

    But that can never happen again, because Jews’ heads are obviously screwed on straight now. Just think about all the ethnic introspection Jews get up to these days that isn’t in the same pattern as the last 2000 years. It certainly could never happen in America, because when Jews aren’t telling us how “ANTI-SEMITIC!!!” we are, they’re telling us we’d never dare touch a hair on their heads.

    (It’s sort of like how freedom for Blacks is invariably followed by the flowering of Black criminal violence)

    P.S. Alden, having just gotten on the wagon myself, I can’t help but point out that it’s “pogrom.” Just one “r.” It really wants to be “progrom,” and make the same kind of sense as “intelligentsia” or “nomenklatura,” believe me, I know, but it isn’t.

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  89. @Talha
    Hey Sam,

    Israel has been, at least for the past decade or so attempting to greatly improve its relationship with the Arab world.
     
    The problem with this is that (as the article states) they are trying to go through the Saudis who are thoroughly hated in the Muslim world - don't believe me, take a poll. They would do much better in:
    1) Recognizing that their ties (ancient, ethnic and geographic) to their neighbors are far more important in the long run from those to Europe or the US
    2) Realigning their future with the up and coming and respected powers (Jordan, Iran, etc.) and not the failing, hated ones
    3) This requires negotiating as peers with mutual respect, not the nonsense we see coming out of the Israeli government (and frankly, some of the Arab states)
    4) Being a minority with disproportionately high influence should not be used to manipulate the host countries to those policies that will help only them and foreign buddies and hurt the host (this goes for rich Arab states like Saudis that like to pump money into the system)
    5) Recognizing that the more and more of the Muslim world isn't afraid anymore (they just took on multiple war theaters with complete loss of air superiority - their cities look like Stalingrads and they are more religious and ready to sacrifice than the secular moderns that populated the Arab world in the 60's) and has reached a proportion for military casualties which are not looking good for IDF (even according to their stats, the 2006 Lebanese war was around 1:5 military deaths and I read Hezbollah didn't even deploy some of their most seasoned divisions since they were waiting near the Litani - compare Six Day War blowout for comparison at around 1:18). And the Syrian Army (if it survives) will be one of the most battle-hardened forces in the region via trial-by-fire.

    There are comments on these forums that are far more vitriolic than I have ever, ever seen from Muslims - and I've seen some pretty bad ones. It is quite eye-opening. I personally think this can work (if you know the history of that area then you know it is different than European history and it has been made to work before) - a lot of compromise will have to be done - but as of now Israel has to stop any new settlements - period - if they want to be taken seriously. They also have to stop any more influencing Uncle Sam's adventures in the ME other than telling him to back the hell off - the neocons have to be completely shunned. Basically, they have to give a real signal to the common Muslim man like myself and others in the region that are willing to be sincere - working with Saudi PR firms does not fulfill that requirement it sends the opposite signal and is an insult to our intelligence.

    We have to look forward and not be mired in only the worst of the past - I know that sounds cliche, but I mean it - Israeli-firsters constantly bringing up Bani Quraizah as if it is the only point of reference in our mutual history does not help. And you've even seen the way some pro-Israeli guys come at me - I know you don't - but that's the kind of low brow crap that is completely disrespectful. You know as well as I do that there was a time when Jews could travel and settle throughout the wider ME - it can happen again.

    Apparently, if some in the West get their way, we may have a situation on our hands where the big burly Ishmaelite has to step forward again and say; alright little guy step behind me again, I got this.

    I say all this as a friend.

    Peace.

    Talha, you may be Sham’s friend but Sham is not your friend.

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    Hey NtD,

    Like I said to Frankie - I may not agree with everything (or even a good amount) of what Sam has to say, but that doesn't necessarily matter. Making peace between someone that one already has a bunch of common ground with requires no effort - between two different viewpoints is where sincerity and effort are required. I want to hear what he has to say and I want him to listen to my viewpoint and frankly it has helped me to understand things better.

    The late Dr. Hassan Hathout (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hassan_Hathout) was one of the elders in the SoCal Muslim community. Soft-spoken and erudite, he had a very generous and humble character. One time a friend told me about what he did in one of the wars between Egypt and Israel (I forget which one) - he was a soldier and ended up capturing an Israeli soldier in the conflict. He treated the man so well (he wanted to exemplify the best of the Prophetic tradition) that they became friends even after the prisoner swaps and kept in touch with each other across the borders well into old age. We have to raise the bar in our conduct.

    Peace.
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  90. Druid says:
    @Sam Shama

    I have written and spoken before how AIPAC is ultimately doomed as Israel and its basic policies towards Arabs and its neighbors are unsustainable both from a human rights and practical point of view. But that does not mean that it is going away any time soon. The Israel Lobby has the U.S. Congress and media by the throat and the Trump administration promises to be completely uncritical in its relationship......
     
    Dr Giraldi,
    You have a sound basis to call AIPAC's influence formidable, although one doubts any noteworthy change in preferences of the U.S. populace if it were to cease to exist. It's not just Jews, but Christians, primarily evangelicals, but also many Catholics now, are apparently, committed "'Packers". I don't particularly like the organisation, and would even consider the proposal to have it registered a foreign agent, it still leaves open the question as to what earthly difference that might make.

    This subject of AIPAC and other lobby groups has a host of dimensions not restricted to a single-minded vilification of Jews, who while they organise to support Israel can by no means be justly branded anti-American. They are patriotic; in fact, I find many of them blindly so.
    [on a lighter note, believe it or not, these AIPAC dates are also when some people take an Alexandra Burke to hook up :-) ]

    But really a far more weighty subject requires analysing the relative size, form, impact, benefits, commercial interests, defence implications, etc. of extending the $3.8b armaments loan package to Israel. That would be a worthy piece from you or anyone else up for tackling the challenge.

    Israel has been, at least for the past decade or so attempting to greatly improve its relationship with the Arab world.
    http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2016/08/14/saudi-arabias-pro-jewish-media-campaign-seeks-to-pave-way-for-ties-with-israel/

    I think the Palestinian cause can easily benefit from strong Arab nations negotiating on its behalf rather than resorting to the tried and failed method of allowing the PA leadership to make a hash of it while it feathers its own nests.

    I've meant to ask you a question for some time now, but never got around to it: have you visited Israel? [I'd appreciate silence from the peanut gallery please]

    If you haven't, why not consider it and see for yourself the "terrible" conditions in which Arab Israelis apparently live? I assure you none of them wants BDS to do the "needful" and remove their means of earning a living.

    Keep spewing your rubbish.

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  91. iffen says:
    @Incitatus
    Sam and iffen,

    Crossing to Syria from Jordan ‘76 I witnessed a fist fight between respective nationals. I’ve thought since that to assume Arab nations monolithic a mistake. Just as to say all Christian nations are the same.

    Talha is correct. Saudis are disliked in the wider faith. Not without reason. Too many wild parties in Beirut and London (while selling access to the Hadj). Kuwaitis probably come in second. Islam affords no monolithic block. Any more than Christianity.

    Other Arab nations negotiating for Palestinians? Wouldn’t bet on it. Likud alliance with KSA? May not work out well. My opinion.

    Palestinians’ biggest mistake? Allowing the PLO to cheer Saddam post Desert Storm. Many talented professionals I knew with in the Gulf were expelled stateless and unemployed. A great loss.

    If there’s an answer, it’s between Israel and the Palestinians. Hard choices need to made by both. Does Israel want to expel Pals on camera as the world watches? Citing historic abuse (justified) while depriving fellow humans of their rights? I have no easy answers (wish I did).

    Best.

    If there’s an answer, it’s between Israel and the Palestinians.

    I agree. Why is the idea that all these Arab and Muslim countries have to be involved in negotiations assumed to be true? Is it just because they are in the region? Was Israel involved in the peace negotiations between Iran and Iraq? Iraq and Kuwait? Will they be involved in peace negotiations in Syria?

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    Bringing in others is an excuse for the two interlocutors to wiggle out of direct confrontation. It’s been going on for years.

    Pals need a friend (broker?) to even the scale. Other Muslim nations aren’t the answer. Wish they were, and maybe I’m wrong. But each of them has it’s own agenda, and Pals aren’t number one. The PLO, Hamas? who speaks for the Pals? Who represents Israel? Likud, with legalized land theft and colonization? Not comfortable bedfellows.

    Each side has good reason to distrust the other, and both are well funded in a standoff. Losers? Israelis who want peace. Pals that want peace, employment, and a future.

    The US? Compromised since GHWB and James Baker (if not before).

    Have you read Blumenthal’s ‘51 Day War’? The 4000+ terrorist rockets sent into Israel? Their total combined payload was equivalent to 12 IAF missiles fired into Gaza. No total numbers on IAF missiles fired. Probably safe to say it’s more than 12?

    An unfair comparison to be sure. But peace has to start somewhere.
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  92. Druid says:
    @in the middle
    Its a natural way in life, for the Zios/Talmudist to hate an anglo saxon, or any other pure european person. Why? because throughout history, the European is the only individual who has presented an adversarial image to the Kazharian empire. First, Russia destroyed their kindom, way back, then after the Kazhars dispersed in eastern Europe, the European kept them in their place; For several hundred years, this struggle has been a constant fight to the death, with the Kazhars visiting death and destruction whenever they can upon the European people, i.e. the French with the french revolution, and all those wars that had in the past destroyed whole generations; the Germans, in all those wars which Germanic people has struggled against the Judaics and their slaves, i.e. the English, Canadians, Australians, and Americans. Then the Russians suffered their part, when the Talmudists as Churchill said, had them by the hair, suffering millions of deaths aht their hands. People forget what happened to our neighbor to the south, early last century. the so called Mexican revolution where more than two million perished, the leader? President Calles, a Jew. So yes, Jews love to see the goyim die, and the more they destroy, the better they feel, enjoying sadistic killings; just ask the Ukrainians, during the holodomor!
    The Holodomor (Ukrainian: Голодомо́р) was a man-made famine in Soviet Ukraine in 1932 and 1933 that killed an estimated 2.5–7.5 million Ukrainians. Funny how they blame the 'soviets' which were the power elite, of the judaics, or Talmudists.

    BTW, Minorities in the USA ignore all these historical events, thus present not a threat to the talmudist in any way at all. Only the White, European represents a threat to their emperium, and thus is in the cross hairs of the talmudist forever!

    Good information and well said!

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  93. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama
    Hey Talha,
    I know you speak as a friend. Let me try to address some of the things you wrote:

    The problem with this is that (as the article states) they are trying to go through the Saudis who are thoroughly hated in the Muslim world
     
    I had no idea, thought the Saudis were well-loved in Egypt, Libya, Pakistan etc. Most of the Egyptians at my old Alma Mater were funded through Saudi scholarships, so naturally, they were fans. I hear the same of Pakistanis....

    Recognizing that their ties (ancient, ethnic and geographic) to their neighbors are far more important in the long run from those to Europe or the US
     
    Well, I second the notion. Good neighbours and all that. What are we to do with the Palestinians in the WB? The well's been poisoned. There is merit to the idea that they'd be better off under Jordan, and we can even enter into land swaps. However, don't believe a word you read about Israeli Arabs wishing harm upon the state. That is patently untrue. Of course, there are occasional disturbances, rapidly resolved, but Arab citizens desire no truck with movements which seek to undermine their own lot. I have many friends in Arab villages near Netanya and the Galil, and their common lament is for the West to stop meddling with a situation which mostly keeps the Pal issue alive without any positive change. I tell you there is a 'Pal fatigue' amongst Israeli Arabs. I honestly believe a compensation scheme for those which choose to emigrate (Jordan, Egypt) is the best idea in a set of bad choices. A 1SS would be disastrous.

    Modern Israel came into existence a mere 60 years ago, so there remains yet a strong romantic attachment amongst American Jews for her, not dissimilar I reckon from the nostalgia that Irish, Italian or other immigrant groups had for the mother nation during their salad days in America. It's possibly stronger, given the unique history, but the essence isn't any different.


    2) Realigning their future with the up and coming and respected powers (Jordan, Iran, etc.) and not the failing, hated ones
     
    Israel has a firm relationship with Jordan. The dynamic with Iran is tricky and in no small measure influenced by the Sunni majority monarchies of the Hejaz and the Gulf wanting to cut Iranian influence down to size. My own feeling? Better relations with Iran would be a game-changer. Yet I fear given the compounded recent history (3 decades) of increasing fundamentalism gripping the Muslim world, the West experiencing sporadic acts of terror, Israel embracing greater illiberal attitudes we are headed down the path to a clash with the Muslim world. It really is up to our leaders, and here I mean for Mr Trump to stop cold in its tracks, that which looks inevitable.

    3) This requires negotiating as peers with mutual respect, not the nonsense we see coming out of the Israeli government (and frankly, some of the Arab states)
     
    Easier said than done. Monetary weight counts more than most. Both Egypt and Jordan are pretty beholden to the Saudis and the USA to help maintain much of its polity in some semblance of order so that excluding the KSA is an idea dead upon arrival. But yes, the principle is obviously correct. Look, I believe in the end the Donald is not looking to wage war against Iran, and in fact, Jared Kushner is searching the shortest path to the 2SS. We shall see. The Europeans are basically useless in this equation.

    4) Being a minority with disproportionately high influence should not be used to manipulate the host countries to those policies that will help only them and foreign buddies and hurt the host (this goes for rich Arab states like Saudis that like to pump money into the system)
     
    Talha, this is a flawed way to approach the matter. Jews are not "visitors" enjoying the hospitality of the U.S. The echo chambers of this webzine, notwithstanding. That AIPAC exerts significant influence is a function of many things including geopolitical interests, genuine messianic beliefs of a section of the U.S. populace, Israel's favourability ratings, and, not to put too fine a point on it, lucre which finds new worshippers, then as in now, among opportunists (fading neocons at present), not confined to a particular race or religion. BTW, being a Muslim citizen, you are every bit an American as any other and why should you consider yourself a guest?

    5) Recognizing that the more and more of the Muslim world isn’t afraid anymore (they just took on multiple war theaters with complete loss of air superiority – their cities look like Stalingrads and they are more religious and ready to sacrifice than the secular moderns that populated the Arab world in the 60′s) and has reached a proportion for military casualties which are not looking good for IDF
     
    All too true. Pushing Muslim populations to desperate straits where they embrace fanaticism will only lead to the inevitable fireworks. Israel is utterly aware of this. So the daft ideas one spots bandied around here, ideas that Israel wants its neighbours to be in constant chaos are best discarded. Israelis are also getting less open to ideas away from those propounded by the hard-core. Bad business all around. Yet they know they need peace. Which is why I believe a round table with a forceful POTUS, with zero interference from EU has the best odds of success.

    There are comments on these forums that are far more vitriolic than I have ever, ever seen from Muslims – and I’ve seen some pretty bad ones. It is quite eye-opening. I personally think this can work (if you know the history of that area then you know it is different than European history and it has been made to work before) – a lot of compromise will have to be done – but as of now Israel has to stop any new settlements – period – if they want to be taken seriously. They also have to stop any more influencing Uncle Sam’s adventures in the ME other than telling him to back the hell off – the neocons have to be completely shunned. Basically, they have to give a real signal to the common Muslim man like myself and others in the region that are willing to be sincere – working with Saudi PR firms does not fulfill that requirement it sends the opposite signal and is an insult to our intelligence.
     
    I expect the vitriol increases with each passing day. [I have more to say on this after I marshal my thoughts better]

    Israeli-firsters constantly bringing up Bani Quraizah as if it is the only point of reference in our mutual history does not help. And you’ve even seen the way some pro-Israeli guys come at me – I know you don’t – but that’s the kind of low brow crap that is completely disrespectful.
     
    Yes, the Bani Quraizah episode does get good circulation, doesn't it? It's to be ignored. One needs to have a certain stock of equanimity to deal with these annoyances, which I believe I've seen you dispatch with great ease :-)

    Apparently, if some in the West get their way, we may have a situation on our hands where the big burly Ishmaelite has to step forward again and say; alright little guy step behind me again, I got this.
     
    Haha true. But don't get too concerned with the Joe Webb types. A full-length mirror, cowboy boots, no shirt, nor pants (of any layer) and they'll be on their way to an evening of solitary recreation, if not accompanied also, by an excess of onanism.

    Best

    BTW, being a Muslim citizen, you are every bit an American as any other and why should you consider yourself a guest?

    Religious belief, any Muslim in a non-Muslim country is a guest.

    How’d I do, Talha?

    Wait, do you consider your wife and children guests?

    You simply have to find those gold tablets, Talha, it’s the only way.

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    Hey iffen,

    How’d I do, Talha?
     
    Pretty well.

    Wait, do you consider your wife and children guests?
     
    Yeah - and they're free loaders too! I pay all the rent!

    Peace.
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  94. SFG says:
    @iffen
    Why did you use a photo of anti-Zionist Satmar Hasidic Jews

    Not because any Jew will do, if that's what you are thinking. AK is not "that " kind of nationalist, right AK?

    I’m not sure if he is, but this is Giraldi’s article.

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  95. Incitatus says:
    @Seraphim
    Americans have a Jewish problem. It is THEIR problem, not of the Jews. What can they do to solve it? Simply cease listening to the Jews, cease groveling to AIPAC, declaring their eternal love for Israel and letting them dictate their policies. Indeed, America first. It is not Jewish interests that should be America's paramount interest. It is not Israel that should formulate American policies. Forbid the 'Lobby' (all lobbies for that matter). Close AIPAC.
    Blame the bycicle-riders!

    Hello Seraphim,

    “Simply cease listening to the Jews, cease groveling to AIPAC, declaring their eternal love for Israel and letting them dictate their policies.”

    I believe AIPAC is a foreign lobbyist and should be treated as such (not new on my behalf). But let me parse your statement. Where Jews are American citizens, they should be listened to as much as any others. You’ll find many disagree with AIPAC (settlements, Iran, Iraq 2003, etc). Not all, but many.

    Most important, whatever their views, ALL have equal rights as citizens. To say anything less is to pass a ‘poison chalice’ to ourselves. Law, always imperfect, means everything. Aeschylus, rescuing Hellenes from blood feud, knew it. Normans dealing with King John knew it.

    I believe in George Washington’s parting advice – avoid passionate attachments. Be it France, England or anyone since. It’s bad for everybody.

    Likud Israel? Distorted by decades support from our Congress. Is it their fault? Partly. Is it also our Congress? Their nudge-nudge, wink-wink and here’s another $600 mill above the already corrupt subsidy to the US defense industry? Cameo appearances to preach to AIPAC? US politicians love it. It’s easy. One-dimensional moral posturing and a chance bring back bacon to your district’s defense contractors. What’s not to like?

    Is it AIPAC and Israel? Congress (they write the checks)? Our defense industries? My bet’s on the latter.

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    Since the US insists on retaining the death penalty surely it should be employed in matters of treason even more than for murder? Most murderers kill but one person while traitors bring death and destruction to all of the nation.

    Interestingly, Great Britain (I can't write that without snickering even though I was born and raised in GB) abolished the death penalty decades ago though I believe it remains on the books for treason (and for arson in the King's shipyards) though it is never applied. Surely Tony Blair has given cause for this to change?

    There would be far less treachery if traitors, especially politicians, were executed promptly and publicly and a better world would result. Firing squads would be my recommendation.
    , @Seraphim
    Jews may be American citizens. The problem starts when they are also citizens of another country and their loyalty goes first to that Fatherland, be it a physical or 'spiritual'. That was the dilemma of the Jews at all times.
    Christian societies had problems not so much with the Jews (who were always granted the permission to practice their religion) but with the 'Judaizers' from among themselves, the ones who wanted to imitate the Jews and to be like them, believing that at the 'end of times' they would be admitted to the same benefits that the Jews believe God would shower only upon them. Those (innumerable) who believe like the televangelists that "our nation was founded as a haven of refuge for the Jewish people as they sought asylum from the rampant anti-Semitism of Europe. And because America received the Jewish people of the world, God richly blessed our nation... We must come back to the unconditional support of the nation of Israel; without it, our nation will be outside of the blessings of God now and forevermore! The Judgement of the Nations (Joel 3:2) is where God the Father will judge men and nations based on how they treated His brethren, the Jews. America must be on the right side of that Judgement; we have been warned by the Lord Himself!".
    Those who "believe that "the Lord will bless those who bless Israel and curse those that curse His beloved people" (Russia and Iran hell-bent on destroying Israel- but don't worry, they will be utterly destroyed and the arch-villain Putler will have the fate of Haman, as Netanyahoo reminded Putin). You don't believe that the anti-Russian hysteria that sweeps America has other reasons.
    Don't go to AIPAC meetings.
    , @Anon
    Keith says:


    "Is it AIPAC and Israel ? Congress (They write the checks?) Our defense industries?
    My bet's on the latter."


    None of this corruption and transfer of American tax dollars to Israel and the defense industries would be possible without the Jewish mythology (God was in the real estate business and gave his chosen the cat litter box in Palestine).

    My bet's on who writes the checks is the Protocol Elders oligarchs like Sheldson Adelson, a dual American and Israel citizen.

    Here's how the influence is paid for: The Jewish oligarchs on Wall Street ( Many own a shit load of stock in defense industries) buy (donate to) our treasonous congressman and then Congress writes the checks for foreign aid to Israel. This is the sole purpose of AIPAC.. divert American taxes to finance war against against Israel's enemies in the Middle East. What does non Jews get
    for their forced generosity? Terrorist blowback. Oh... I forgot about the Zionist main stream media, who decides who American enemies are with their incessant (Neo Con shills on MSM) warmongering.

    Who are our enemies today? No, I mean, who does AIPAC say our enemies are?

    Iraq, Libya, Syria, ... Iran.... Russia, and don't forget the homeless Palestinians.,


    If ONLY Americans knew. This is why I write on the UNZ. Truly a bastion of freedom of speech.


    Did you ever write to the Jewish ( Israel's gate keepers) New York Times, all the news your not allowed to print.... Or the Wall Street Jorunal. Reserved spots for the Jewish fifth column like
    the Sam the Sham. Iffen, Incitatus Sherman and you only.

    This is why America will never be Great Again. The Trojan horse (AIPAC) came through the gate
    a long time ago.

    Now, what do we do?
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  96. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama

    Other Arab nations negotiating for Palestinians? Wouldn’t bet on it. Likud alliance with KSA? May not work out well. My opinion.
     
    Your opinion carries weight. I say this proposal has merit for a set of reasons not based on an appeal to Arab or Muslim solidarity. More, that the time to read the riot act has arrived for both Israel and the PA. Better parties to play the role of enforcer than the financial patrons?

    Palestinians’ biggest mistake? Allowing the PLO to cheer Saddam post Desert Storm. Many talented professionals I knew with in the Gulf were expelled stateless and unemployed. A great loss.
     
    Agreed. This is a little-known point of recent history which does not find much currency in these echo chambers. Really, the Palestinians are the least preferred ethnics in the Gulf. Even amongst the Israeli Arabs, a Pal fatigue has set in...

    If there’s an answer, it’s between Israel and the Palestinians. Hard choices need to made by both. Does Israel want to expel Pals on camera as the world watches? Citing historic abuse (justified) while depriving fellow humans of their rights? I have no easy answers (wish I did).
     
    Its been "tried" apparently. Requires leaders who care less for re-election than determinedly achieving a solution. Netanyahu? Don't know. PA leadership? Well.....Israel certainly would not do well to expel them, in camera, or, in the cover of the dark. Experience of historic abuse requires Jews to not perpetrate the very same, doesn't it? That's easy. What I am less certain of is how we extend full citizenship to Pals in a 1SS without unleashing a precarious demographic nightmare. Which is why I don't see an alternative to a 2SS, with Jordan assuming a significant part in the proceedings.

    What I am less certain of is how we extend full citizenship to Pals in a 1SS without unleashing a precarious demographic nightmare.

    Hey, Sam. Why is it that when I say “demographic nightmare” for European countries or European-derived countries, I’m a racist… but when you say it for your pet project, you’re not? Just askin’.

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    Thought I explained this to you back when you asked me the question. Numbers are of the essence, my dear sir, 15-20% minorities being the ideal- salt in the stew as old Derb puts it. Now you can do the proportions I'm sure.....
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  97. Sam Shama says:
    @Chuck Orloski
    "I'd appreciate silence from the peanut gallery please"

    Hey Sam The Sham,

    In contrast to Talha, forthright, I speak as an enemy.

    Who the fuck do you think you are by addressing "Mr. Giraldi" and asking for the "peanut gallery's" silence "Disgusting!!!"

    P.G. will truly disappoint were he to make a reply to YOU who has no power but to deliriously obfuscate and lie.

    To reiterate, I know who you are and others are leaning fast too!

    No ad hominen attacks from me, Shammie, I'd really like to have the power to release your horses and incarcerate you in the Bronx Zoo -- toss Brand-X peanuts into your cage.

    And invite the 9-11 victims families to look deeply at you.

    Selah!

    In contrast to Talha, forthright, I speak as an enemy.

    Your writing is problematic. Did you mean to write ‘forthwith’? Are we enemies then? after all, didn’t I unsay something? You disappoint me.

    [Who the fuck do you think you are by addressing “Mr. Giraldi” and asking for the “peanut gallery’s” silence “Disgusting!!!”]

    I am who I am to you, and didn’t I seek silence from the peanut gallery? I do have friends in the peanut gallery btw, not the snob you take me for :-) .

    You sound upset mate. You also sound like a chap I used to exchange pleasantries with on these pages, glaringly through his absence for the past weeks. Touchy fellow, rather quick to draw the unsolicited broadsword in Giraldi’s defense. Are you travelling incognito my faux Athenian?

    To reiterate, I know who you are and others are leaning fast too!

    You do? Are the others ‘leaning’ this way or the other? Leaning too fast can cause vertigo. Better be careful mate.

    No ad hominen attacks from me, Shammie, I’d really like to have the power to release your horses and incarcerate you in the Bronx Zoo — toss Brand-X peanuts into your cage.

    Really the permutations on ‘ad hominem’ spotted on these pages do not fail to entertain. The other fellow (I forget who) wrote something like ad homoname or something similar. LOL.

    You won’t have the power to release my horses, so spare yourself the torture of a desire never to be fulfilled. Besides, my favourite Arabian, Al-Nūr, would not tolerate Woodchucks in the vicinity :-)

    Enjoy the peanuts though

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  98. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    What I am less certain of is how we extend full citizenship to Pals in a 1SS without unleashing a precarious demographic nightmare.
     
    Hey, Sam. Why is it that when I say "demographic nightmare" for European countries or European-derived countries, I'm a racist... but when you say it for your pet project, you're not? Just askin'.

    Thought I explained this to you back when you asked me the question. Numbers are of the essence, my dear sir, 15-20% minorities being the ideal- salt in the stew as old Derb puts it. Now you can do the proportions I’m sure…..

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    Thought I explained this to you back when you asked me the question. Numbers are of the essence, my dear sir, 15-20% minorities being the ideal- salt in the stew
     
    Yes, of course, you did. Here is the last exchange we had on this topic. I presented the following alarming statistic about US demographic trends:

    The nation’s demographics are on a clear trajectory: White people are dying faster than they are being born, which means they are on target to become a minority in the United States in 30 years.

    http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/6/25/whites-on-target-to-become-a-us-minority.html
     
    to which you replied:

    As I have always maintained numbers are of the essence, and the numbers do not cause me any alarm. Whites growing less than replacement rate will likely reverse.*
     
    Since you further clarified that you're in favour of immigration levels that will add a little spice but not spoil the main ingredient by making it too salty, I am now in a position to make the following observation.

    I too, believe that numbers are of the essence and that adding a little salt to the stew is acceptable. But here's the key question the answer to which distinguishes the Zionist project from all other countries: is the salt to be added domestic or imported?

    Whereas in the case of the Zionist project, the indigenous Palestinians would regard the settlers as the salt and themselves as the stew, in European and European-derived countries, however, the salt is the non-European immigrants.

    See the difference?

    btw - all this talk about stew is making me hungry.

    * perhaps you could indicate on what basis you have arrived at this conclusion?
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  99. @Incitatus
    “America has a Jewish Question. It’s that simple.”

    If history serves, the phrase is ‘Judenfrage.’

    What’s the answer ('Antwort') Floyd? Prohibit them the means to a living? Confiscate their wealth? Put them in ghettos? Deport them to Madagascar or [insert destination here]? ‘Resettlement camps’ [insert destination here] with mandatory labor (after all, wouldn’t want to spoil them with a magnificent dole of 800 calories/day, exposure and all the beatings they can take). When all else fails a ‘final solution’ (Endlösing)?’

    Naturally, these options all have downsides. Jews are excellent scapegoats. The gift that keeps on giving. Ask Wilhelm und Adolf. How do you think they were empowered? Start and lose WW1? Blame the Jews (OK, Willie also blamed Freemasons). Want to opt out of a treaty? Start a new war? Lose a war (again)? Blame the Jews. Business poor? Crops fail? Blame the Jews. Dental problems? Well, you get the idea.

    Such easy solace for failure is hard to pass up. Mind you, I’m not Jewish, so I don’t really have a dog in that fight.

    What I’d like to know, Floyd, is after the Jews are gone who’s next?

    If I moved around a lot and had had 20 different neighbors, all of whom hated me, I think I’d be a bit introspective.

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  100. @anarchyst
    I used to chuckle when I heard of the American Congress being a part of the "Zionist Occupation Government", but no more...
    My "awakening" came a long time ago, with the deliberate Israeli attack on the USS Liberty (GTR-5) in 1967 and the subsequent "whitewash" by none other that John McCain's "daddy" admiral.
    I took it upon myself the look up other Israeli "false flag" operations, the Lavon affair, and the pre-emptive strike of the "six-day war", among others, only to see that MY government was in the hands of a foreign cabal.
    Paul Finley's book "None Dare Call It Treason" is still a classic worth reading, to see how the Israel-first lobby operates. Walt and Miersheimer's "The Holocaust ™ industry is also a good read.
    What sealed the deal was the push for laws that criminalize any investigation into the "Holocaust ™" that deviates from the "accepted orthodoxy", even if the "accepted orthodoxy" can be proven false. Kangaroo courts in European countries and Canada have already ruled that when it comes to "all things Holocaust ™", TRUTH cannot be introduced into evidence and cannot be used as a defense.
    I have attempted to get my (brain dead) associates, friends and family to look into our situation, but have met with deaf ears. You see, many of them have bought into the concept of "the chosen", whose activities are not to be questioned, even when their claims are outlandish and cannot survive honest scrutiny, especially when it comes to "all things Holocaust ™". I wish more people would open their eyes and think for themselves, to see that our country has been hijacked, and that no good has come of it.

    the concept of “the chosen”:

    Of course they are the chosen! of their father.
    “Iesus talking to the ‘judeans’(jews):

    You are of your father the devil, and you desire to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has not stood in the truth, because there is no truth in him. Whenever he might speak falsehood, he speaks from the own; for he is a liar, and the father of it. John 8:44.

    So of course they are all that and more! Any questions?

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  101. Incitatus says:
    @Svigor

    What’s the answer (‘Antwort’) Floyd? Prohibit them the means to a living? Confiscate their wealth? Put them in ghettos? Deport them to Madagascar or [insert destination here]? ‘Resettlement camps’ [insert destination here] with mandatory labor (after all, wouldn’t want to spoil them with a magnificent dole of 800 calories/day, exposure and all the beatings they can take). When all else fails a ‘final solution’ (Endlösing)?’
     
    Nah. Just make go ahead and complete what was started with "affirmative action," Diversity mandates, etc; make "Jew" (and everything else, from ethnicity to religion) an official Diversity category, and allow them no more representation in un-elected gov't than their share of the population. Do the same for any institution that receives public money (including lobbying firms that influence spending). Put pressure on corporate America to do the same, starting at the top, and working down from there.

    That'd be a pretty great start. Jews should love it, they've always been big promoters of this stuff.

    Mind you, I’m not Jewish, so I don’t really have a dog in that fight.
     
    Don't sell yourself short, your thinking seems entirely Jewish.

    AIPAC merely reveals the lack of backbone and principle in Americans, whether through greedy politicians or apathetic Americans who don’t care enough to mobilize against this threat.
     
    The Nazis merely revealed the lack of bravery of Jews. Men who rape little old ladies merely reveal the lack of spine of their victims (she can't buy a gun?). Etc.

    Ah Svigor,

    Another collection of unattributed quotes taken out of context and manipulated in an irrational rant. Well done!

    You seem to have mastered a very solitary art. I mean very, very, very solitary. Never linking for direct contact. Afraid of it? Cowardice? Need to feed off other’s thoughts but no stomach to confront them? Think they’ll miss your rants and afford you illusory onanism?

    Well, no matter. You know, I went over what you’ve written and it’s way above my head. Help me out:

    “Nah. Just make go ahead and complete what was started with “affirmative action,””

    Give me a hint. I swear I’ll do my best to respond.

    “Don’t sell yourself short, your thinking seems entirely Jewish.”

    As stated I’m not, but I’m flattered. I sometimes fancy myself an Einstein but, Pshaw. There you go again Svigor, trying to seduce me. Poor me! We can’t all be as smart as you.

    I don’t really know what to make of your concluding statement:

    “The Nazis merely revealed the lack of bravery of Jews. Men who rape little old ladies merely reveal the lack of spine of their victims (she can’t buy a gun?). Etc.”

    OK. I admit reading it was kind of like watching ‘Silence of the Lambs’ with you as a sibylline Hannibal Lecter. But that’s unfair. What did you really mean? You’ll have to be patient with me (I heard no voices at Delphi).

    Sorry to intrude on your ‘Fortress of Solitude.’ Say hello to Jor-El for me.

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  102. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Sherman
    I'm grateful Israel has such a powerful and effective lobby looking out for its interests.

    I'm glad my donations to AIPAC are having impact.

    Keith says:

    Sherman …. your historical Jewish hubris is blinding you to your tribe’s historical reasons for pogroms and expulsions.

    Soon or later, the rest of us, excluding the Jewish useful Christian Zionists idiots and Zionist political shills, will finally get sick and tired of AIPAC Zionist political power and sick of perpetual wars for Israel.

    Just like the PNAC document “Rebuilding American’s Defenses”‘ which suggested a need for
    a “castastrophic and catalyzing event- like a new Peal Harbor” to get Americans to support wars in the Middle East against Jewish and Israel’s enemies.

    American’s just needs a catalyzing event like “The Great Depression” to free themselves from the Zionist stranglehold.

    Before this castastrophic and catalyzing event happens, I suggest you save your AIPAC donation money and buy diamonds. The Jewess, Irene Zisblat, claims she swallowed diamonds and shit them out regularly while at Auschwitz. You can learn how the diamonds saved her from the gas chambers in the movie ” The Last Days of the Big Lie”.

    Instead of watching Holohoax stories to help you to remove your blinders, you can learn from
    Institute for Historical Review ” The “Jewish Question” in 15th and 16th Century Spain

    Benzion Netanyahu who wrote the book “The Origins of the Inquisition in the Fifteenth Century”

    Benzion Netanyahu, father of a Bibi Netanyahu, has done a great service in identifying the social,
    economic, and political sources of inter-group conflict that were critical in the establishment
    of the Inquisition. Benzion Netanyahu acknowledges the factor that put much strain on the relations between Christian Gentiles and Jews was the growth of Jewish economic power.

    You might want to sew the diamonds in your pants and become a Jewish doomsday prepper.

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  103. Sam Shama says:
    @Chuck Orloski
    "the up and coming respected and powerful states (Jordan and Iran)"

    To All -- and not exclusively for YOU, Sam he Sham!

    Above quote, the "peanut gallery"gets to see Sam the Sham at his best hasbara game! er... what's that? The Sham called Iran a "respected" state? Did his horse kick him in his head?

    And Jordan -- a "powerful" state? Phooey.

    But Iran, that actually is a different story! At present even crooked Sam The Sham must acknowledge the Islamic Republic of Iran as a respected & powerful country!

    Today's Wall Street Journal features a very good (front page) article called "Iran lures foreign investors," by Asa Fitch and Benoit Faucon.

    Western countries are bursting through Iran's doors to do business, but alas, U.S.A. Zionist-fearing companies are noticeably absent. Four Star General, Gomer Pyle, "Surprise, surprise!"

    Iran's President Rouhani's economic team is expected to sign approximately a dozen memorandums of economic understanding with Russia and the talks will include President Vladimir Putin. Bibi Netanyahu at home, sulking, and reading his gift of Flaviux's history? uh, I don't think so.

    Please take care to note that Sam The Sham must have received an advance Hasbara-memo that directs him to "go easy" for now on Israel's existential enemy, the nuke armed Mullahs.

    The Jews are "for" the money, "by" the money and "of' the money. So hold on to your wallets, All!

    I reckon that the New World Order is considering "cutting" some world space which might allow for the survival of a wealthy & powerful Islamic country besides Saudi Arabia. The Goldman Sachs Group won't mind especially since they are trying to do untethered investment business with The Peoples Republic of China.

    From behind closed Temple doors... big shit about to erupt.

    The Master Jews wouldn't be cut out of even a Hell's Kitchen-business, that is of course, tentative to a contract guarantee that THEY are the one's who do the burning.

    "Disgusting!" Amen.

    Chucky

    You’ve mixed up what Talha wrote with my statements. Not that I disagree a great deal with Talha, mind you, but you need to read, retain and assign as and where required. Too difficult? I understand.

    Sadly misinformed you are about U.S. companies not doing business with Iran. Have you any familiarity with the idea of cross-holdings? No? Well I’ll let you find out on your own. Here’s a clue: U.S-European joint ventures. Putin smiles and partners …….

    The rest of your post says something …something…about *China*…then *shit erupting* and then *Temple doors*, *Goldman Sachs* what else? You know, Adderall can be helpful.

    cheers.

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    Sam The Sham,

    I must go to do honorable work, something foreign to you.

    In meantime, were I to "read and retain" according to your stilted pattern, I'd be one with iffen's world view. brrr. No thanks.

    Yes -- "cross-holdings." That's what you do when your right hand gets tired.

    Will catch up with you later though... to date, I am happy author P. Giraldi did not!
    , @Chuck Orloski
    "Have you any familiarity with the idea cross-holdings."

    Hey Sam The Sham,

    I did not need your "clue" and yes -- I do have familiarity, especially with the business "cross-holdings" indulged by the late-Marc Rich.

    For those who may have forgotten about Rich's criminal enterprises & presidential pardon, I provide the Guardian "link" below.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2013/jun/26/marc-rich-commodities-trader-fugitive-dies

    Finally, Sam the Sham, the sheer badness of your greedy economic solutions for humanity gives me strength. Thank you.

    Chucky

    post scriptum:
    To others, and upon making a return to P.G.'s AIPAC topic, it is "disgusting" how so many enRICHed U.S. politicians are on the brink of allowing a Bantustan solution for Palestinians.

    (Sigh0 Our rich U.S. Senators should not just sit back & enjoy their power and lavish lifestyles, because the Jews can one day set aside and replace them with new slops who are greedier & less patriotic than they. Karma?
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  104. nsa says:
    @Anonymous

    Think about it friends. A vast empire dedicated to one thing: making U.S. policy conform to what Israel wants no matter what might be good for Americans. In fact, what is good for Americans does not even enter into their calculation. Disgusting.
     
    Mr. Giraldi, does it ever happen to you to take a guess at what happens to the thousands of "animals" used "for research" in biotech labs, which you can be fairly sure are widely owned and operated by people of any race (with a lot of White Europeans, obviously)?

    Does it "disgust" you?

    The law of nature, and the law of humans say that the weaker (sometimes the weaker individual, other times group, race, species) have no rights whenever their having rights would prevent the stronger from getting anything they want, the way they please to.

    I hate it with all of my mind and heart. But do you?
    I can respect the ordinary people who, despite what they'll state in speech, agree with the law.
    What I find the hardest to respect is partial agreement with the law.

    So back to the quoted paragraph, what do you find disgusting about it?
    People with more wits/coordination/will power get it; losers are left watching.

    And, of course, the redoubtable Professor Alan Dershowitz was also a featured speaker, a wonderful human being who recently told us goyim that Jewish power in this country is both deserved and granted by Jehovah. It is interesting how Jews among themselves boast about their power but if a gentile so much as suggests the same thing it is anti-Semitism.
     
    What religion, what religion that has been successful in history, do you know that doesn't say that "animals" were created to serve "humans" ' needs?
    Do you know why they do so?
    Because:

    1) Those "animals" have less developed brains than humans, and so can't defend themselves from humans

    No more bullet points, it's just that, 1).

    Does it disgust you, or to quote strictly, do you find it interesting?

    If you look at the thing from a far-enough point of view, you'll find, to your great surprise, that there's no essential difference in how you and your much-disliked Harvard law professor think.
    I believe you are both wrong in your thinking, but you blaming him is... interesting.

    Like North Americans were appointed by God (plenty of literature by Puritans) to govern the South, so other people have been appointed, maybe, by God to govern the whole North + South.

    If I could imbue humans with a virtue, that would be consistency.

    You are a rare treat….a true Social Darwinist. Yup…..the big eat the small, the smart eat the dumb. Survival of the fittest, not the fattest. All living things compete to survive and then prosper….from viruses to whales….from plankton to redwoods. If nazis stick jooies into ovens set to extra crispy, then that’s just the way it is….nothing personal….just another example of Darwinistic competition. If superior aliens land on earth and decide to use humans for medical experiments or target practice, so be it. It is not an original idea, but morality and religion appear to be just another tactic used by the weak, but smart, to gain the upper hand. As of late, the hominid (killer ape) has ascended to primacy…but for how long?

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  105. Incitatus says:
    @iffen
    If there’s an answer, it’s between Israel and the Palestinians.

    I agree. Why is the idea that all these Arab and Muslim countries have to be involved in negotiations assumed to be true? Is it just because they are in the region? Was Israel involved in the peace negotiations between Iran and Iraq? Iraq and Kuwait? Will they be involved in peace negotiations in Syria?

    Bringing in others is an excuse for the two interlocutors to wiggle out of direct confrontation. It’s been going on for years.

    Pals need a friend (broker?) to even the scale. Other Muslim nations aren’t the answer. Wish they were, and maybe I’m wrong. But each of them has it’s own agenda, and Pals aren’t number one. The PLO, Hamas? who speaks for the Pals? Who represents Israel? Likud, with legalized land theft and colonization? Not comfortable bedfellows.

    Each side has good reason to distrust the other, and both are well funded in a standoff. Losers? Israelis who want peace. Pals that want peace, employment, and a future.

    The US? Compromised since GHWB and James Baker (if not before).

    Have you read Blumenthal’s ‘51 Day War’? The 4000+ terrorist rockets sent into Israel? Their total combined payload was equivalent to 12 IAF missiles fired into Gaza. No total numbers on IAF missiles fired. Probably safe to say it’s more than 12?

    An unfair comparison to be sure. But peace has to start somewhere.

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  106. Talha says:
    @Frankie P
    Tahla,

    You claim to say the following as a friend, but by its very nature, it is a statement of someone with little or no understanding of their "friend". It's like saying, "Leopard, change your spots."

    "I personally think this can work (if you know the history of that area then you know it is different than European history and it has been made to work before) – a lot of compromise will have to be done – but as of now Israel has to stop any new settlements – period – if they want to be taken seriously. They also have to stop any more influencing Uncle Sam’s adventures in the ME other than telling him to back the hell off – the neocons have to be completely shunned. Basically, they have to give a real signal to the common Muslim man like myself and others in the region that are willing to be sincere"

    "You know as well as I do that there was a time when Jews could travel and settle throughout the wider ME – it can happen again."

    Jews still live peacefully in Iran. I highly doubt that ISRAELI Jews will be welcomed in any of the destroyed and destabilized MENA states, countries that were fragmented and weakened solely for the benefit of Israel.

    In sum, Talha, there is only one solution to this problem, and it will be worked out organically.

    The solution is "Demographic change"

    Think about it.

    Frankie P

    Hey Frankie,

    Jews still live peacefully in Iran.

    This is the gist of what I am getting at – it will not be done by burning bridges. One must be realistic and extend a hand in good faith. And sometimes one does not get what they want at the time that they want it; one must look to the big picture and the far future. As you likely know, the history of the Middle East does not parallel that of Europe. Too much of the narrative is caught up in what happened on that continent and we are all held hostage by it.

    A scholar I look up to recently posted (after having visited the site of where it occurred):
    Hudaybiyyah [the treaty] is a beautiful reminder: through principled compromise, vision and steadfastness, Allah grants what He doesn’t give to the impetuous.

    I do not consider myself a friend of ‘Israel’ (or many other nation-states) – but it is an organizational abstraction and frankly too much of its roots are European and foreign to that land and I couldn’t care less if it dissolved tomorrow. But the individual people; Jews, Muslims and Christians are real flesh and blood – they are my concern. Yes, it will have to be solved organically, but I do not want a bloodbath in the Holy Land to prove a point. One must be realistic in the way they approach things – you can see how the nutcases are doing with trying to revive their utopian caliphate in Syria/Iraq – they’ve made it a hell for everyone else.

    Peace.

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  107. Sam Shama says:
    @Incitatus
    Ah Svigor,

    Another collection of unattributed quotes taken out of context and manipulated in an irrational rant. Well done!

    You seem to have mastered a very solitary art. I mean very, very, very solitary. Never linking for direct contact. Afraid of it? Cowardice? Need to feed off other’s thoughts but no stomach to confront them? Think they’ll miss your rants and afford you illusory onanism?

    Well, no matter. You know, I went over what you’ve written and it’s way above my head. Help me out:

    “Nah. Just make go ahead and complete what was started with “affirmative action,””

    Give me a hint. I swear I’ll do my best to respond.

    “Don’t sell yourself short, your thinking seems entirely Jewish.”

    As stated I’m not, but I’m flattered. I sometimes fancy myself an Einstein but, Pshaw. There you go again Svigor, trying to seduce me. Poor me! We can’t all be as smart as you.

    I don’t really know what to make of your concluding statement:

    “The Nazis merely revealed the lack of bravery of Jews. Men who rape little old ladies merely reveal the lack of spine of their victims (she can’t buy a gun?). Etc.”

    OK. I admit reading it was kind of like watching ‘Silence of the Lambs’ with you as a sibylline Hannibal Lecter. But that’s unfair. What did you really mean? You’ll have to be patient with me (I heard no voices at Delphi).

    Sorry to intrude on your ‘Fortress of Solitude.’ Say hello to Jor-El for me.

    Hahahaaaa. “Say hello to Jor-El “, loved that one.

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  108. Talha says:
    @iffen
    BTW, being a Muslim citizen, you are every bit an American as any other and why should you consider yourself a guest?

    Religious belief, any Muslim in a non-Muslim country is a guest.

    How'd I do, Talha?

    Wait, do you consider your wife and children guests?

    You simply have to find those gold tablets, Talha, it's the only way.

    Hey iffen,

    How’d I do, Talha?

    Pretty well.

    Wait, do you consider your wife and children guests?

    Yeah – and they’re free loaders too! I pay all the rent!

    Peace.

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  109. @Incitatus
    Hello Seraphim,

    “Simply cease listening to the Jews, cease groveling to AIPAC, declaring their eternal love for Israel and letting them dictate their policies.”

    I believe AIPAC is a foreign lobbyist and should be treated as such (not new on my behalf). But let me parse your statement. Where Jews are American citizens, they should be listened to as much as any others. You’ll find many disagree with AIPAC (settlements, Iran, Iraq 2003, etc). Not all, but many.

    Most important, whatever their views, ALL have equal rights as citizens. To say anything less is to pass a ‘poison chalice’ to ourselves. Law, always imperfect, means everything. Aeschylus, rescuing Hellenes from blood feud, knew it. Normans dealing with King John knew it.

    I believe in George Washington’s parting advice - avoid passionate attachments. Be it France, England or anyone since. It’s bad for everybody.

    Likud Israel? Distorted by decades support from our Congress. Is it their fault? Partly. Is it also our Congress? Their nudge-nudge, wink-wink and here’s another $600 mill above the already corrupt subsidy to the US defense industry? Cameo appearances to preach to AIPAC? US politicians love it. It’s easy. One-dimensional moral posturing and a chance bring back bacon to your district’s defense contractors. What’s not to like?

    Is it AIPAC and Israel? Congress (they write the checks)? Our defense industries? My bet's on the latter.

    Since the US insists on retaining the death penalty surely it should be employed in matters of treason even more than for murder? Most murderers kill but one person while traitors bring death and destruction to all of the nation.

    Interestingly, Great Britain (I can’t write that without snickering even though I was born and raised in GB) abolished the death penalty decades ago though I believe it remains on the books for treason (and for arson in the King’s shipyards) though it is never applied. Surely Tony Blair has given cause for this to change?

    There would be far less treachery if traitors, especially politicians, were executed promptly and publicly and a better world would result. Firing squads would be my recommendation.

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    You raise a great dual question: crime and deterrence.

    “There would be far less treachery if traitors, especially politicians, were executed promptly and publicly and a better world would result.”

    Treason. Lèse-majesté comes to mind. Celebrated beheadings like Thomas More in 1535 or Anne Boleyn the year following. That’s when treason meant pissing-off your monarch (and God, if ruled by divine right). The king was, of course, also the state (apologies Louis XIV). No need to go elsewhere for communal interest, no need for a genuine trial. Off with the head!

    There are few better deterrents than losing one’s head. Well, OK. Drawing-and-quartering, slow disembowelment, burning alive, and flaying are pretty effective. Firing squads are easy, a soldiers death (and not nearly as much fun to watch). Is hanging better? Twitches and grotesque motions - probably more entertaining. Think of the six Lincoln assassins (one women, no less). There’s also William Joyce (Lord Haw Haw; convicted of treason ‘45, hung London ‘46 - the last in the UK - Rebecca West’s ‘Train of Powder’ is a good read).

    Back to beheadings. Think of France and the Terror. The guillotine is a fearsome deterrent! France’s love affair with it ended in 1977. A couple of good centuries, no doubt. Nazis apparently agreed, given their beheading of Sophie (21) and Hans Scholl (24) ‘43 in Munich. The Scholls’ crime? Nonviolent resistance (publishing antiwar pamphlets). Treason. Lèse-majesté.

    Saudi Arabia still prefers beheading for the big ones (amputation for the little ones). Don’t know if anyone else does. In the early 80s one could go to Riyadh’s ‘chop-square’ to watch but, to be honest, I never did. I’ll say this, one felt pretty safe in KSA. Except, of course, driving (it was Russian roulette).

    Let’s get back to the difference between murder and treason. Number of victims? Levels of guilt? Murder can be planned over a long period, or an act spawned by instant rage. Which invites more guilt? Treason usually falls in the premeditated category. And you’re right, it’s against the community, commonwealth or nation. More victims. Greater guilt?

    Look now at recent crimes against the nation and deterrent punishment. Treason’s called espionage, though I’m no lawyer. The Rosenburgs? Executed ‘53. Did that deter John Walker, Robert Hanssen, Jonathan Pollard or Aldrich Ames? Sadly, no.

    Regarding AIPAC, duel loyalty, and corrupt politicians.

    The first should be considered a foreign lobbyist with corresponding tax and regulatory constraints. The second is harder to deal with. Want to ban St-Patrick’s and Puerto-Rico-Day parades? Knights of Columbus (love those uniforms)? When does affection for origins cross the line to sedition?

    No easy answers. Maybe it depends on action. Individual action. Just like any other crime. And equally demanding proof. Last, corrupt politicians. Criminality? same as category two - proof. Hate their record? Vote them out. Wish I had better answers (don’t like watching the AIPAC show either).

    “arson in the King’s shipyards”

    What a great charge! Reminds me of the nuclear submarine USS Miami, burned at Portsmouth Naval Shipyard while in refit 2012. Damage was estimated at $400+ million. At first the source was inexplicable (terrorism?). They eventually traced it to a civilian worker who started it to be able to go home early. He got 17 years in a Federal pen and a $400 million fine. If terrorism, would he have gotten death? Maybe. Motive means a lot, if not everything.

    I’m not holding my breath on payment of the fine.
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  110. Seraphim says:
    @Incitatus
    Hello Seraphim,

    “Simply cease listening to the Jews, cease groveling to AIPAC, declaring their eternal love for Israel and letting them dictate their policies.”

    I believe AIPAC is a foreign lobbyist and should be treated as such (not new on my behalf). But let me parse your statement. Where Jews are American citizens, they should be listened to as much as any others. You’ll find many disagree with AIPAC (settlements, Iran, Iraq 2003, etc). Not all, but many.

    Most important, whatever their views, ALL have equal rights as citizens. To say anything less is to pass a ‘poison chalice’ to ourselves. Law, always imperfect, means everything. Aeschylus, rescuing Hellenes from blood feud, knew it. Normans dealing with King John knew it.

    I believe in George Washington’s parting advice - avoid passionate attachments. Be it France, England or anyone since. It’s bad for everybody.

    Likud Israel? Distorted by decades support from our Congress. Is it their fault? Partly. Is it also our Congress? Their nudge-nudge, wink-wink and here’s another $600 mill above the already corrupt subsidy to the US defense industry? Cameo appearances to preach to AIPAC? US politicians love it. It’s easy. One-dimensional moral posturing and a chance bring back bacon to your district’s defense contractors. What’s not to like?

    Is it AIPAC and Israel? Congress (they write the checks)? Our defense industries? My bet's on the latter.

    Jews may be American citizens. The problem starts when they are also citizens of another country and their loyalty goes first to that Fatherland, be it a physical or ‘spiritual’. That was the dilemma of the Jews at all times.
    Christian societies had problems not so much with the Jews (who were always granted the permission to practice their religion) but with the ‘Judaizers’ from among themselves, the ones who wanted to imitate the Jews and to be like them, believing that at the ‘end of times’ they would be admitted to the same benefits that the Jews believe God would shower only upon them. Those (innumerable) who believe like the televangelists that “our nation was founded as a haven of refuge for the Jewish people as they sought asylum from the rampant anti-Semitism of Europe. And because America received the Jewish people of the world, God richly blessed our nation… We must come back to the unconditional support of the nation of Israel; without it, our nation will be outside of the blessings of God now and forevermore! The Judgement of the Nations (Joel 3:2) is where God the Father will judge men and nations based on how they treated His brethren, the Jews. America must be on the right side of that Judgement; we have been warned by the Lord Himself!”.
    Those who “believe that “the Lord will bless those who bless Israel and curse those that curse His beloved people” (Russia and Iran hell-bent on destroying Israel- but don’t worry, they will be utterly destroyed and the arch-villain Putler will have the fate of Haman, as Netanyahoo reminded Putin). You don’t believe that the anti-Russian hysteria that sweeps America has other reasons.
    Don’t go to AIPAC meetings.

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    "...the anti-Russian hysteria that sweeps America..."
    https://consortiumnews.com/2017/03/29/the-sleazy-origins-of-russia-gate/
    "The Sleazy Origins of Russia-gate," by Robert Parry

    “Schiff’s seamless 15-minute narrative of the Trump campaign’s alleged collaboration with Russia followed the script prepared by former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele... Steele, who had worked for Britain’s MI-6 in Russia, said he tapped into ex-colleagues and unnamed sources inside Russia, including leadership figures in the Kremlin, to piece together a series of sensational reports that became the basis of the current congressional and FBI investigations into Trump’s alleged ties to Moscow." However, “neither Steele nor the “oppo research” company, Fusion GPS, that hired him – reportedly with funding from Clinton allies – has been summoned to testify.”

    The Trump team should start preparing a defamation lawsuit against Schiff ASAP. Let Mr. Schiff to fulfill his role du jour of a victim suffering eternal victimhood.
    This morsel could be helpful for the lawsuit: “Since last November’s election, Steele has ducked public inquiries and Glenn Simpson, the former Wall Street Journal journalist who heads Fusion GPS, has refused to divulge who hired his firm or answer other relevant questions. That means we still don’t know which Clinton friends paid for the dirt and how much money was given to subcontractors like Steele and his Russian associates. (One source told me it may have totaled around $1 million.)”

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  111. Talha says:
    @NoseytheDuke
    Talha, you may be Sham's friend but Sham is not your friend.

    Hey NtD,

    Like I said to Frankie – I may not agree with everything (or even a good amount) of what Sam has to say, but that doesn’t necessarily matter. Making peace between someone that one already has a bunch of common ground with requires no effort – between two different viewpoints is where sincerity and effort are required. I want to hear what he has to say and I want him to listen to my viewpoint and frankly it has helped me to understand things better.

    The late Dr. Hassan Hathout (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hassan_Hathout) was one of the elders in the SoCal Muslim community. Soft-spoken and erudite, he had a very generous and humble character. One time a friend told me about what he did in one of the wars between Egypt and Israel (I forget which one) – he was a soldier and ended up capturing an Israeli soldier in the conflict. He treated the man so well (he wanted to exemplify the best of the Prophetic tradition) that they became friends even after the prisoner swaps and kept in touch with each other across the borders well into old age. We have to raise the bar in our conduct.

    Peace.

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    Hi Talha,

    You're a good man to be sure. The line that I quoted about you being his friend but him not being yours was just me paraphrasing what Mossad agent turned author Victor Ostrovsky was told in training by his superior, "America may be Israel's friend but Israel is not America's friend"

    Sometimes it's good to know these things...

    Salaam
    , @Sam Shama

    he was a soldier and ended up capturing an Israeli soldier in the conflict. He treated the man so well (he wanted to exemplify the best of the Prophetic tradition) that they became friends even after the prisoner swaps and kept in touch with each other across the borders well into old age.
     
    This is a story I can easily relate to, Talha. As you know from our previous exchanges, I am fortunate to have a great many Israeli Arab friends; most of them are outstanding horsemen and we've kept the tradition of spending many summer days together with our equine companions. If you talk to my friends, you'll understand how we feel about each other........I'll ignore the vitriol from people who get their rage from a steady diet of internet stories alone.
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  112. Talha says:
    @Sam Shama
    Hey Talha,
    I know you speak as a friend. Let me try to address some of the things you wrote:

    The problem with this is that (as the article states) they are trying to go through the Saudis who are thoroughly hated in the Muslim world
     
    I had no idea, thought the Saudis were well-loved in Egypt, Libya, Pakistan etc. Most of the Egyptians at my old Alma Mater were funded through Saudi scholarships, so naturally, they were fans. I hear the same of Pakistanis....

    Recognizing that their ties (ancient, ethnic and geographic) to their neighbors are far more important in the long run from those to Europe or the US
     
    Well, I second the notion. Good neighbours and all that. What are we to do with the Palestinians in the WB? The well's been poisoned. There is merit to the idea that they'd be better off under Jordan, and we can even enter into land swaps. However, don't believe a word you read about Israeli Arabs wishing harm upon the state. That is patently untrue. Of course, there are occasional disturbances, rapidly resolved, but Arab citizens desire no truck with movements which seek to undermine their own lot. I have many friends in Arab villages near Netanya and the Galil, and their common lament is for the West to stop meddling with a situation which mostly keeps the Pal issue alive without any positive change. I tell you there is a 'Pal fatigue' amongst Israeli Arabs. I honestly believe a compensation scheme for those which choose to emigrate (Jordan, Egypt) is the best idea in a set of bad choices. A 1SS would be disastrous.

    Modern Israel came into existence a mere 60 years ago, so there remains yet a strong romantic attachment amongst American Jews for her, not dissimilar I reckon from the nostalgia that Irish, Italian or other immigrant groups had for the mother nation during their salad days in America. It's possibly stronger, given the unique history, but the essence isn't any different.


    2) Realigning their future with the up and coming and respected powers (Jordan, Iran, etc.) and not the failing, hated ones
     
    Israel has a firm relationship with Jordan. The dynamic with Iran is tricky and in no small measure influenced by the Sunni majority monarchies of the Hejaz and the Gulf wanting to cut Iranian influence down to size. My own feeling? Better relations with Iran would be a game-changer. Yet I fear given the compounded recent history (3 decades) of increasing fundamentalism gripping the Muslim world, the West experiencing sporadic acts of terror, Israel embracing greater illiberal attitudes we are headed down the path to a clash with the Muslim world. It really is up to our leaders, and here I mean for Mr Trump to stop cold in its tracks, that which looks inevitable.

    3) This requires negotiating as peers with mutual respect, not the nonsense we see coming out of the Israeli government (and frankly, some of the Arab states)
     
    Easier said than done. Monetary weight counts more than most. Both Egypt and Jordan are pretty beholden to the Saudis and the USA to help maintain much of its polity in some semblance of order so that excluding the KSA is an idea dead upon arrival. But yes, the principle is obviously correct. Look, I believe in the end the Donald is not looking to wage war against Iran, and in fact, Jared Kushner is searching the shortest path to the 2SS. We shall see. The Europeans are basically useless in this equation.

    4) Being a minority with disproportionately high influence should not be used to manipulate the host countries to those policies that will help only them and foreign buddies and hurt the host (this goes for rich Arab states like Saudis that like to pump money into the system)
     
    Talha, this is a flawed way to approach the matter. Jews are not "visitors" enjoying the hospitality of the U.S. The echo chambers of this webzine, notwithstanding. That AIPAC exerts significant influence is a function of many things including geopolitical interests, genuine messianic beliefs of a section of the U.S. populace, Israel's favourability ratings, and, not to put too fine a point on it, lucre which finds new worshippers, then as in now, among opportunists (fading neocons at present), not confined to a particular race or religion. BTW, being a Muslim citizen, you are every bit an American as any other and why should you consider yourself a guest?

    5) Recognizing that the more and more of the Muslim world isn’t afraid anymore (they just took on multiple war theaters with complete loss of air superiority – their cities look like Stalingrads and they are more religious and ready to sacrifice than the secular moderns that populated the Arab world in the 60′s) and has reached a proportion for military casualties which are not looking good for IDF
     
    All too true. Pushing Muslim populations to desperate straits where they embrace fanaticism will only lead to the inevitable fireworks. Israel is utterly aware of this. So the daft ideas one spots bandied around here, ideas that Israel wants its neighbours to be in constant chaos are best discarded. Israelis are also getting less open to ideas away from those propounded by the hard-core. Bad business all around. Yet they know they need peace. Which is why I believe a round table with a forceful POTUS, with zero interference from EU has the best odds of success.

    There are comments on these forums that are far more vitriolic than I have ever, ever seen from Muslims – and I’ve seen some pretty bad ones. It is quite eye-opening. I personally think this can work (if you know the history of that area then you know it is different than European history and it has been made to work before) – a lot of compromise will have to be done – but as of now Israel has to stop any new settlements – period – if they want to be taken seriously. They also have to stop any more influencing Uncle Sam’s adventures in the ME other than telling him to back the hell off – the neocons have to be completely shunned. Basically, they have to give a real signal to the common Muslim man like myself and others in the region that are willing to be sincere – working with Saudi PR firms does not fulfill that requirement it sends the opposite signal and is an insult to our intelligence.
     
    I expect the vitriol increases with each passing day. [I have more to say on this after I marshal my thoughts better]

    Israeli-firsters constantly bringing up Bani Quraizah as if it is the only point of reference in our mutual history does not help. And you’ve even seen the way some pro-Israeli guys come at me – I know you don’t – but that’s the kind of low brow crap that is completely disrespectful.
     
    Yes, the Bani Quraizah episode does get good circulation, doesn't it? It's to be ignored. One needs to have a certain stock of equanimity to deal with these annoyances, which I believe I've seen you dispatch with great ease :-)

    Apparently, if some in the West get their way, we may have a situation on our hands where the big burly Ishmaelite has to step forward again and say; alright little guy step behind me again, I got this.
     
    Haha true. But don't get too concerned with the Joe Webb types. A full-length mirror, cowboy boots, no shirt, nor pants (of any layer) and they'll be on their way to an evening of solitary recreation, if not accompanied also, by an excess of onanism.

    Best

    Hey Sam,

    thought the Saudis were well-loved

    They have to buy friends. The rich elite in many countries love them, but the common man? I don’t think I have met one who thinks well of them.

    we are headed down the path to a clash with the Muslim world

    I want to avoid this completely – I do hope cooler heads prevail.

    this is a flawed way to approach the matter

    You got me there – wow, sorry – I didn’t even know I was doing that. Well, when you get called a visitor or invader enough, you start to internalize (and apparently project) it.

    BTW, being a Muslim citizen, you are every bit an American as any other and why should you consider yourself a guest?

    Two sides to this; 1) in the secular framework I am a citizen, 2) according to the sacred law – not UNZ posters – (which is the framework one falls back on if the secular one fails), I am a basically a dhimmi in a non-Muslim land – a guest/visitor with a contract between me and the government of the land in which I reside – one with a boatload of rights, but one must be realistic about these things.

    Bad business all around.

    Indeed and they need to be publicly vocal that if the US is going to war or trying to topple Syria or something that; a) they are completely opposed to it, b) remain neutral and not take advantage of these situations to bomb munitions plants or other things they do and c) definitely not throw in their lot with regional players that will cause even more havoc – like Kurds trying to carve out their own nation-state. Again, unless those things take place, people will not take overtures seriously.

    Yes, the Bani Quraizah episode

    Yeah, they never talk about how the Caliph Umar (ra) set a precedent of conduct for us by granting a blind, old Jewish man a pension from the Muslim state treasury to relieve him from having to beg. That and other historical occurrences get swept under the rug.

    Peace.

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    Keith says:

    "thought the Saudis were well-loved"

    The Saudis are loved for their money, just like the Jews.

    The Saudis are lucky and should count their stars. If a truely American president was in the White House, we would have started pulverizing them with "Shock and Awh" a long time ago.

    We have enough evidence to sue the Saudi government for financing 911 and not enough evidence to start bombing them? If we had the same evidence on Iran, we would have turned Tehran into
    dust, just like the world trade center towers.

    The Saudis had the audacity to threaten America with withdrawing 700 billion out
    of our economy, to punish us for sueing them. We should have immediately confiscated all it their holdings, encluding the Citi Corp building in NY. Instead, Trump last week kissed the Saudis prince's hand.

    I can't wait for the trial. The trail I thought would never be possible in Zionist country. Is Israel
    and the American Jews throwing Saudi Arabia under the bus? Why would they do this, especially when the have a common enemy, Iran.

    Will the trial implicate the Jewish Neocons in the murder of 3000 Americans.

    With your eyes you saw the towers come down by demolitions, while Israelis were celebrating in NJ.

    Who had complete access to the towers? The Zionist Larry Silverstein, Bib's friend.
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  113. @Talha
    Hey NtD,

    Like I said to Frankie - I may not agree with everything (or even a good amount) of what Sam has to say, but that doesn't necessarily matter. Making peace between someone that one already has a bunch of common ground with requires no effort - between two different viewpoints is where sincerity and effort are required. I want to hear what he has to say and I want him to listen to my viewpoint and frankly it has helped me to understand things better.

    The late Dr. Hassan Hathout (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hassan_Hathout) was one of the elders in the SoCal Muslim community. Soft-spoken and erudite, he had a very generous and humble character. One time a friend told me about what he did in one of the wars between Egypt and Israel (I forget which one) - he was a soldier and ended up capturing an Israeli soldier in the conflict. He treated the man so well (he wanted to exemplify the best of the Prophetic tradition) that they became friends even after the prisoner swaps and kept in touch with each other across the borders well into old age. We have to raise the bar in our conduct.

    Peace.

    Hi Talha,

    You’re a good man to be sure. The line that I quoted about you being his friend but him not being yours was just me paraphrasing what Mossad agent turned author Victor Ostrovsky was told in training by his superior, “America may be Israel’s friend but Israel is not America’s friend”

    Sometimes it’s good to know these things…

    Salaam

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  114. @Sam Shama
    Chucky

    You've mixed up what Talha wrote with my statements. Not that I disagree a great deal with Talha, mind you, but you need to read, retain and assign as and where required. Too difficult? I understand.

    Sadly misinformed you are about U.S. companies not doing business with Iran. Have you any familiarity with the idea of cross-holdings? No? Well I'll let you find out on your own. Here's a clue: U.S-European joint ventures. Putin smiles and partners .......

    The rest of your post says something ...something...about *China*...then *shit erupting* and then *Temple doors*, *Goldman Sachs* what else? You know, Adderall can be helpful.

    cheers.

    Sam The Sham,

    I must go to do honorable work, something foreign to you.

    In meantime, were I to “read and retain” according to your stilted pattern, I’d be one with iffen’s world view. brrr. No thanks.

    Yes — “cross-holdings.” That’s what you do when your right hand gets tired.

    Will catch up with you later though… to date, I am happy author P. Giraldi did not!

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  115. Greg Bacon says: • Website
    @OilcanFloyd
    Robin, it's Jew-on Jew violence over perceived Jewish interests. Did you watch both videos posted by Mr. Bacon? Where was the real hatred directed by both groups? The real hostility was directed at non- Jewish (really white) Americans that they deem "racist" or intolerant for defending America against immigration and AIPAC traitors. These people don't give a damn about Americans or Palestinians.

    What stood out to me in that one video was how violent the JDL thugs became when they saw the sign about Israel being involved in 9/11.

    So far, our corrupt govt and the lying MSM has blamed Afghanistan, Iraq, Qaddafi, Iran–which got sued for 6 billion and lost–Syria and now Saudi Arabia, who is also getting sued, when the real 9/11 attackers were a ‘gift’ from our special ally.

    https://wikispooks.com/wiki/9-11/Israel_did_it

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    From IF AMERICANS KNEW Blog

    https://israelpalestinenews.org/palestinian-american-professor-brutally-attacked-jewish-defense-league-members-d-c-video/

    Palestinian-American professor brutally attacked by Jewish Defense League members in D.C.

    WASHINGTON, D.C. — Fifty-five year old Palestinian professor and father Kamal Nayfeh was brutally assaulted by members of the Jewish Defense League (JDL) last Sunday while walking nearby the AIPAC annual policy conference.

    The attackers were not immediately detained by police even though several witnesses attested to what happened. Mr. Nayfeh’s daughter had to implore the police to make an arrest, and the attackers are not being charged with hate crimes.
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  116. Fabian says:

    You know the photo had nothing to do with AIPAC, it sounds like pain anti-Semitism, I would advise you to read a little about it “Dr.”

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  117. @Sam Shama

    Other Arab nations negotiating for Palestinians? Wouldn’t bet on it. Likud alliance with KSA? May not work out well. My opinion.
     
    Your opinion carries weight. I say this proposal has merit for a set of reasons not based on an appeal to Arab or Muslim solidarity. More, that the time to read the riot act has arrived for both Israel and the PA. Better parties to play the role of enforcer than the financial patrons?

    Palestinians’ biggest mistake? Allowing the PLO to cheer Saddam post Desert Storm. Many talented professionals I knew with in the Gulf were expelled stateless and unemployed. A great loss.
     
    Agreed. This is a little-known point of recent history which does not find much currency in these echo chambers. Really, the Palestinians are the least preferred ethnics in the Gulf. Even amongst the Israeli Arabs, a Pal fatigue has set in...

    If there’s an answer, it’s between Israel and the Palestinians. Hard choices need to made by both. Does Israel want to expel Pals on camera as the world watches? Citing historic abuse (justified) while depriving fellow humans of their rights? I have no easy answers (wish I did).
     
    Its been "tried" apparently. Requires leaders who care less for re-election than determinedly achieving a solution. Netanyahu? Don't know. PA leadership? Well.....Israel certainly would not do well to expel them, in camera, or, in the cover of the dark. Experience of historic abuse requires Jews to not perpetrate the very same, doesn't it? That's easy. What I am less certain of is how we extend full citizenship to Pals in a 1SS without unleashing a precarious demographic nightmare. Which is why I don't see an alternative to a 2SS, with Jordan assuming a significant part in the proceedings.

    Even amongst the Israeli Arabs, a Pal fatigue has set in…

    Possibly so, but there’s a lot of fatigue all around it seems.

    Besides, there doesn’t seem to be much “Pal fatigue” among American Jews who have a clue.

    ‘US is overwhelmingly partial to Israel,’ Pelosi admits at AIPAC [Sign of AIPAC fatigue, maybe?]

    …but the support for Palestinians is slowly rising– to 80. Bernie Sanders didn’t appear at AIPAC last year, or this year either, for good reason. He actually talks about the occupation, and young Democrats want him to.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2017/03/overwhelmingly-partial-israel/

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  118. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Incitatus
    Hello Seraphim,

    “Simply cease listening to the Jews, cease groveling to AIPAC, declaring their eternal love for Israel and letting them dictate their policies.”

    I believe AIPAC is a foreign lobbyist and should be treated as such (not new on my behalf). But let me parse your statement. Where Jews are American citizens, they should be listened to as much as any others. You’ll find many disagree with AIPAC (settlements, Iran, Iraq 2003, etc). Not all, but many.

    Most important, whatever their views, ALL have equal rights as citizens. To say anything less is to pass a ‘poison chalice’ to ourselves. Law, always imperfect, means everything. Aeschylus, rescuing Hellenes from blood feud, knew it. Normans dealing with King John knew it.

    I believe in George Washington’s parting advice - avoid passionate attachments. Be it France, England or anyone since. It’s bad for everybody.

    Likud Israel? Distorted by decades support from our Congress. Is it their fault? Partly. Is it also our Congress? Their nudge-nudge, wink-wink and here’s another $600 mill above the already corrupt subsidy to the US defense industry? Cameo appearances to preach to AIPAC? US politicians love it. It’s easy. One-dimensional moral posturing and a chance bring back bacon to your district’s defense contractors. What’s not to like?

    Is it AIPAC and Israel? Congress (they write the checks)? Our defense industries? My bet's on the latter.

    Keith says:

    “Is it AIPAC and Israel ? Congress (They write the checks?) Our defense industries?
    My bet’s on the latter.”

    None of this corruption and transfer of American tax dollars to Israel and the defense industries would be possible without the Jewish mythology (God was in the real estate business and gave his chosen the cat litter box in Palestine).

    My bet’s on who writes the checks is the Protocol Elders oligarchs like Sheldson Adelson, a dual American and Israel citizen.

    Here’s how the influence is paid for: The Jewish oligarchs on Wall Street ( Many own a shit load of stock in defense industries) buy (donate to) our treasonous congressman and then Congress writes the checks for foreign aid to Israel. This is the sole purpose of AIPAC.. divert American taxes to finance war against against Israel’s enemies in the Middle East. What does non Jews get
    for their forced generosity? Terrorist blowback. Oh… I forgot about the Zionist main stream media, who decides who American enemies are with their incessant (Neo Con shills on MSM) warmongering.

    Who are our enemies today? No, I mean, who does AIPAC say our enemies are?

    Iraq, Libya, Syria, … Iran…. Russia, and don’t forget the homeless Palestinians.,

    If ONLY Americans knew. This is why I write on the UNZ. Truly a bastion of freedom of speech.

    Did you ever write to the Jewish ( Israel’s gate keepers) New York Times, all the news your not allowed to print…. Or the Wall Street Jorunal. Reserved spots for the Jewish fifth column like
    the Sam the Sham. Iffen, Incitatus Sherman and you only.

    This is why America will never be Great Again. The Trojan horse (AIPAC) came through the gate
    a long time ago.

    Now, what do we do?

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    the Sam the Sham. Iffen, Incitatus Sherman

    Yes! 2nd billing!

    That Hasbara bonus is in a tractor beam walk to me like an 88 going to a beer hall.

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  119. Talha says:
    @jacques sheete

    The world moves along with or without us ...
     
    And I wish 'em godspeed. What a bunch of knuckleheads we've been, despite our pathetic self praise.

    And not only has AIPAC been a problem, but scum like this has been and no doubt continues to be part of it too.

    The Jewish Virtual Library tells us:

    … gangster Hershel Kessler [said] that, during Prohibition, "People wanted booze, they wanted dope, they wanted to gamble and they wanted broads. For a price, we provided them with these amusements. We only gave them what they wanted."

    [gangster Arnold]Rothstein turned his experience as a [Prohibition booze] "importer" to narcotics smuggling, a far more lucrative and less competitive business. By 1926, Rothstein was the "financial overlord" of the American narcotics trade.

    ...Jews comprised half of the nation’s leading bootleggers and that Jewish gangsters like Meyer Lansky and Bugsy Siegel dominated organized crime certain cities. Of course, with the largest Jewish population, New York produced the largest number of Jewish gangsters. The kingpin of the New York Jewish underworld was not a street tough gangster, but a refined gambler: Arnold Rothstein. According to Rockaway, "Rothstein is recognized as the pioneer big businessman of organized crime in the United States."

    • http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/arnold-rothstein

     

    Here's another article that you will probably find interesting.

    However the Western nations obstruct our progress. They have created special rights and spheres of influence, which prevent our developing our own territory. They create among us a hatred of foreigners, which harms them and us alike.

    -Hsu Shih-Chang , as quoted by Georges Soulie de Morant, in The Present and Future of the World, The Living Age , July 23, 1921, pp. 193-199

     

    Hey JS,

    Jewish gangsters

    …An alley in Chicago. One of the rival Italian gangs is loading a truck full of illegal whiskey. From the shadows, a car slowly pulls into view directly under the street light. Out of it file five men looking much like those in the picture above with full loaded tommy guns. Grimly, they level their weapons and unload bullet after bullet into their foes and their cargo. Smoke furls from their barrels into the street light and disappears into the darkness. Their locks rock back and forth as they rotate and turn to make sure the bullets cover the entire scene; neither truck nor booze nor man is spared. One pauses to adjust his glasses.

    “Take that you mashuganas!” is the only thing the old woman hears as she sees the car drive away from her fourth story window.

    A cat meows as it laps up some spilled milk from the knapsack of one of the victims…

    Peace.

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    And in modern day Amerikwa, Russian Jew mobsters are the most ruthless. American mobster, "We Italians will kill you. But the Russians are crazy -- they'll kill your whole family."
    "This view also is shared by policemen who have had to deal with the Jews. A New York City policeman told Friedman:
    The Russians are ruthless and crazy. It's a bad combination. They'll shoot you just to see if their gun works."
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  120. iffen says:
    @Anon
    Keith says:


    "Is it AIPAC and Israel ? Congress (They write the checks?) Our defense industries?
    My bet's on the latter."


    None of this corruption and transfer of American tax dollars to Israel and the defense industries would be possible without the Jewish mythology (God was in the real estate business and gave his chosen the cat litter box in Palestine).

    My bet's on who writes the checks is the Protocol Elders oligarchs like Sheldson Adelson, a dual American and Israel citizen.

    Here's how the influence is paid for: The Jewish oligarchs on Wall Street ( Many own a shit load of stock in defense industries) buy (donate to) our treasonous congressman and then Congress writes the checks for foreign aid to Israel. This is the sole purpose of AIPAC.. divert American taxes to finance war against against Israel's enemies in the Middle East. What does non Jews get
    for their forced generosity? Terrorist blowback. Oh... I forgot about the Zionist main stream media, who decides who American enemies are with their incessant (Neo Con shills on MSM) warmongering.

    Who are our enemies today? No, I mean, who does AIPAC say our enemies are?

    Iraq, Libya, Syria, ... Iran.... Russia, and don't forget the homeless Palestinians.,


    If ONLY Americans knew. This is why I write on the UNZ. Truly a bastion of freedom of speech.


    Did you ever write to the Jewish ( Israel's gate keepers) New York Times, all the news your not allowed to print.... Or the Wall Street Jorunal. Reserved spots for the Jewish fifth column like
    the Sam the Sham. Iffen, Incitatus Sherman and you only.

    This is why America will never be Great Again. The Trojan horse (AIPAC) came through the gate
    a long time ago.

    Now, what do we do?

    the Sam the Sham. Iffen, Incitatus Sherman

    Yes! 2nd billing!

    That Hasbara bonus is in a tractor beam walk to me like an 88 going to a beer hall.

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    Keith says:

    " like a 88 going to a beer hall"


    Please use your often and used trick.

    Call American patriots by their Jewish original assigned name. "Anti Semites"


    Your old trick doesn't work, why do you think 88 will work to suppress free speech and telling the truth?


    My father and uncle took your ancestor's
    Chestnuts out of the European fire, and now your pay back is the Trojan horse AIPAC. How ungrateful and expected.
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  121. The two advantages of the Jews:
    1. Their high level of organization, and
    2. Their nasty Old Testament “chosen one” morality.

    What is happening now has been years in the making. Mass immigration, forced diversity, and the fanning of the flames of cultural/racial/sexual over-sensitivity have severely damaged our unity as a people, and has resulted in a great amount of conflict. And Christian morality, which set the western world on a new course 2,000 years ago, and was morally successful in restraining the elites from doing what they are now doing, has been targeted for destruction.

    Judaism is first and foremost a form of political and economic organization. It may have the outward appearance of a religion, with its ancient religious stories, but the substance of it is a political and economic organization that is designed to accumulate power and wealth. If this sounds a lot like capitalism, that’s because it is a lot like capitalism. So much so that our anointed leaders, whose actions are guided by the morality of capitalism, have much more in common with the chosen ones than they do with us.

    What is happening now in the west is a uniting of the elites, guided by their anti-Christian judeo-capitalistic morality built on the accumulation of power and wealth, against the vastly disorganized masses with a greatly weakened Christian morality as their guide, who they have less and less in common with, and as technology advances, are less and less needed, and as population grows, are more and more a drain on limited resources. And the strategy of these united elites is simply to divide and conquer. And money, as it has evolved, is their main tool of political and economic control.

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    Keith says:


    Great comment.

    You made a very clear point.

    Where can we go from here?
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  122. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Talha
    Hey Sam,

    thought the Saudis were well-loved
     
    They have to buy friends. The rich elite in many countries love them, but the common man? I don't think I have met one who thinks well of them.

    we are headed down the path to a clash with the Muslim world
     
    I want to avoid this completely - I do hope cooler heads prevail.

    this is a flawed way to approach the matter
     
    You got me there - wow, sorry - I didn't even know I was doing that. Well, when you get called a visitor or invader enough, you start to internalize (and apparently project) it.

    BTW, being a Muslim citizen, you are every bit an American as any other and why should you consider yourself a guest?
     
    Two sides to this; 1) in the secular framework I am a citizen, 2) according to the sacred law - not UNZ posters - (which is the framework one falls back on if the secular one fails), I am a basically a dhimmi in a non-Muslim land - a guest/visitor with a contract between me and the government of the land in which I reside - one with a boatload of rights, but one must be realistic about these things.

    Bad business all around.
     
    Indeed and they need to be publicly vocal that if the US is going to war or trying to topple Syria or something that; a) they are completely opposed to it, b) remain neutral and not take advantage of these situations to bomb munitions plants or other things they do and c) definitely not throw in their lot with regional players that will cause even more havoc - like Kurds trying to carve out their own nation-state. Again, unless those things take place, people will not take overtures seriously.

    Yes, the Bani Quraizah episode
     
    Yeah, they never talk about how the Caliph Umar (ra) set a precedent of conduct for us by granting a blind, old Jewish man a pension from the Muslim state treasury to relieve him from having to beg. That and other historical occurrences get swept under the rug.

    Peace.

    Keith says:

    “thought the Saudis were well-loved”

    The Saudis are loved for their money, just like the Jews.

    The Saudis are lucky and should count their stars. If a truely American president was in the White House, we would have started pulverizing them with “Shock and Awh” a long time ago.

    We have enough evidence to sue the Saudi government for financing 911 and not enough evidence to start bombing them? If we had the same evidence on Iran, we would have turned Tehran into
    dust, just like the world trade center towers.

    The Saudis had the audacity to threaten America with withdrawing 700 billion out
    of our economy, to punish us for sueing them. We should have immediately confiscated all it their holdings, encluding the Citi Corp building in NY. Instead, Trump last week kissed the Saudis prince’s hand.

    I can’t wait for the trial. The trail I thought would never be possible in Zionist country. Is Israel
    and the American Jews throwing Saudi Arabia under the bus? Why would they do this, especially when the have a common enemy, Iran.

    Will the trial implicate the Jewish Neocons in the murder of 3000 Americans.

    With your eyes you saw the towers come down by demolitions, while Israelis were celebrating in NJ.

    Who had complete access to the towers? The Zionist Larry Silverstein, Bib’s friend.

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  123. Z-man says:
    @Talha
    Hey JS,

    Jewish gangsters
     
    ...An alley in Chicago. One of the rival Italian gangs is loading a truck full of illegal whiskey. From the shadows, a car slowly pulls into view directly under the street light. Out of it file five men looking much like those in the picture above with full loaded tommy guns. Grimly, they level their weapons and unload bullet after bullet into their foes and their cargo. Smoke furls from their barrels into the street light and disappears into the darkness. Their locks rock back and forth as they rotate and turn to make sure the bullets cover the entire scene; neither truck nor booze nor man is spared. One pauses to adjust his glasses.

    "Take that you mashuganas!" is the only thing the old woman hears as she sees the car drive away from her fourth story window.

    A cat meows as it laps up some spilled milk from the knapsack of one of the victims...

    Peace.

    And in modern day Amerikwa, Russian Jew mobsters are the most ruthless. American mobster, “We Italians will kill you. But the Russians are crazy — they’ll kill your whole family.”
    “This view also is shared by policemen who have had to deal with the Jews. A New York City policeman told Friedman:
    The Russians are ruthless and crazy. It’s a bad combination. They’ll shoot you just to see if their gun works.”

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    Hey Z-man,

    I thought 'Russian' in that context was a euphemism for Chechen, no? Maybe it's just in the movies.

    ...By the time Police Chief Finnegan and his crew arrived, the dreidel had long ago stopped spinning. The cat pawed at it nervously, not knowing this was the same signature call sign left at the fifth such incident in just two weeks...

    Peace.
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  124. @Incitatus
    “America has a Jewish Question. It’s that simple.”

    If history serves, the phrase is ‘Judenfrage.’

    What’s the answer ('Antwort') Floyd? Prohibit them the means to a living? Confiscate their wealth? Put them in ghettos? Deport them to Madagascar or [insert destination here]? ‘Resettlement camps’ [insert destination here] with mandatory labor (after all, wouldn’t want to spoil them with a magnificent dole of 800 calories/day, exposure and all the beatings they can take). When all else fails a ‘final solution’ (Endlösing)?’

    Naturally, these options all have downsides. Jews are excellent scapegoats. The gift that keeps on giving. Ask Wilhelm und Adolf. How do you think they were empowered? Start and lose WW1? Blame the Jews (OK, Willie also blamed Freemasons). Want to opt out of a treaty? Start a new war? Lose a war (again)? Blame the Jews. Business poor? Crops fail? Blame the Jews. Dental problems? Well, you get the idea.

    Such easy solace for failure is hard to pass up. Mind you, I’m not Jewish, so I don’t really have a dog in that fight.

    What I’d like to know, Floyd, is after the Jews are gone who’s next?

    Incitatus, what does resenting Jewish traitors and rabble rousers in America have to do with Nazis or the holocaust? I’m an American dealing with American issues, and we do have a very real Jewish problem. Americans have been very good to Jews, and this is what we get in return?

    Guess what? I don’t like Jews as a group. So what? I don’t see them doing much good for America as a group, and I perfectly well understand why they have been shown the door and the sword so many times, by so many different peoples. If Jews were as traitorous, hostile and corrosive in Europe as they are in America (the holodomar shows that they were far worse, so far!) then I completely understand the desire to be rid of them, either voluntarily or by force if they refused to leave. No big deal. Whatever actually happened to Jews during WWII, I don’t care. You can shove Auschwitz up your backside. That’s exactly how I feel. To hell with you. To hell with AIPAC and Jewish SJWs. To hell with the so-called holocaust. To hell with Israel, and to hell with your tribe.

    That’s exactly how I feel, and I’m not a Nazi. I’m an American patriot. Next year in Washington!

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  125. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Clearpoint
    The two advantages of the Jews:
    1. Their high level of organization, and
    2. Their nasty Old Testament "chosen one" morality.

    What is happening now has been years in the making. Mass immigration, forced diversity, and the fanning of the flames of cultural/racial/sexual over-sensitivity have severely damaged our unity as a people, and has resulted in a great amount of conflict. And Christian morality, which set the western world on a new course 2,000 years ago, and was morally successful in restraining the elites from doing what they are now doing, has been targeted for destruction.

    Judaism is first and foremost a form of political and economic organization. It may have the outward appearance of a religion, with its ancient religious stories, but the substance of it is a political and economic organization that is designed to accumulate power and wealth. If this sounds a lot like capitalism, that's because it is a lot like capitalism. So much so that our anointed leaders, whose actions are guided by the morality of capitalism, have much more in common with the chosen ones than they do with us.

    What is happening now in the west is a uniting of the elites, guided by their anti-Christian judeo-capitalistic morality built on the accumulation of power and wealth, against the vastly disorganized masses with a greatly weakened Christian morality as their guide, who they have less and less in common with, and as technology advances, are less and less needed, and as population grows, are more and more a drain on limited resources. And the strategy of these united elites is simply to divide and conquer. And money, as it has evolved, is their main tool of political and economic control.

    Keith says:

    Great comment.

    You made a very clear point.

    Where can we go from here?

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    Classical economics and neoclassical economics viewed money as the veil or shadow of economic activity. Austrian economics views money as a commodity, but one which facilitates and makes exchanges of economic goods easier to transact. None of these economic theories understood the real role that money plays. Keynes was right. Money leads and economic activity follows where money leads. Combine this knowledge with the realization that our political system has been reduced from its primary role of legislation and execution and enforcement of the laws to that of just another economic good that is transacted in the money controlled economy, and consequently does as money demands, and the problem we face becomes far more understandable.

    The only thing worse than the government as an economic good for sale to the highest bidder to do as money demands view of the republicans is the government as a money-driven intrusive fixer of people view of the democrats. The proper role of government is not to do as the economically superior class demands; nor is it to do as the morally superior do-gooder class demands. The proper role of a government for, of, and by the people is to protect the rest of us from these predatory and parasitic classes. If government can be re-purposed to its proper role, the control that these predatory and parasitic classes exercise over it via money can be broken.

    Once the money power is removed from the control of the predatory and parasitic classes, a restoration of Christian morality will again be possible. Just like government, religion (and thereby morality) has become an economic good controlled by money. Once freed, religion can once again fulfill its traditional role of establishing, teaching, and safeguarding our Christian morality, as it continues to evolve over time to meet new challenges.

    We are in an imaginary prison that has been controlled by pieces of shiny metal, then scraps of green paper, and now virtual blips on a computer screen. All it takes is a little bit of imagination to see it, and the courage to act on it, and the walls can come tumbling down.
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  126. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama
    Thought I explained this to you back when you asked me the question. Numbers are of the essence, my dear sir, 15-20% minorities being the ideal- salt in the stew as old Derb puts it. Now you can do the proportions I'm sure.....

    Thought I explained this to you back when you asked me the question. Numbers are of the essence, my dear sir, 15-20% minorities being the ideal- salt in the stew

    Yes, of course, you did. Here is the last exchange we had on this topic. I presented the following alarming statistic about US demographic trends:

    The nation’s demographics are on a clear trajectory: White people are dying faster than they are being born, which means they are on target to become a minority in the United States in 30 years.

    http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/6/25/whites-on-target-to-become-a-us-minority.html

    to which you replied:

    As I have always maintained numbers are of the essence, and the numbers do not cause me any alarm. Whites growing less than replacement rate will likely reverse.*

    Since you further clarified that you’re in favour of immigration levels that will add a little spice but not spoil the main ingredient by making it too salty, I am now in a position to make the following observation.

    I too, believe that numbers are of the essence and that adding a little salt to the stew is acceptable. But here’s the key question the answer to which distinguishes the Zionist project from all other countries: is the salt to be added domestic or imported?

    Whereas in the case of the Zionist project, the indigenous Palestinians would regard the settlers as the salt and themselves as the stew, in European and European-derived countries, however, the salt is the non-European immigrants.

    See the difference?

    btw – all this talk about stew is making me hungry.

    * perhaps you could indicate on what basis you have arrived at this conclusion?

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    I too, believe that numbers are of the essence and that adding a little salt to the stew is acceptable. But here’s the key question the answer to which distinguishes the Zionist project from all other countries: is the salt to be added domestic or imported?
     
    Jews in Israel? No.

    You must mean Canada, where the First Nation people (Cayuga, Métis, Sioux, Seneca, Chilcotin) find the stew rather too salty at the moment.

    Hope you are enjoying the stew, eh? :-)

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  127. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @iffen
    the Sam the Sham. Iffen, Incitatus Sherman

    Yes! 2nd billing!

    That Hasbara bonus is in a tractor beam walk to me like an 88 going to a beer hall.

    Keith says:

    ” like a 88 going to a beer hall”

    Please use your often and used trick.

    Call American patriots by their Jewish original assigned name. “Anti Semites”

    Your old trick doesn’t work, why do you think 88 will work to suppress free speech and telling the truth?

    My father and uncle took your ancestor’s
    Chestnuts out of the European fire, and now your pay back is the Trojan horse AIPAC. How ungrateful and expected.

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  128. Talha says:
    @Z-man
    And in modern day Amerikwa, Russian Jew mobsters are the most ruthless. American mobster, "We Italians will kill you. But the Russians are crazy -- they'll kill your whole family."
    "This view also is shared by policemen who have had to deal with the Jews. A New York City policeman told Friedman:
    The Russians are ruthless and crazy. It's a bad combination. They'll shoot you just to see if their gun works."

    Hey Z-man,

    I thought ‘Russian’ in that context was a euphemism for Chechen, no? Maybe it’s just in the movies.

    …By the time Police Chief Finnegan and his crew arrived, the dreidel had long ago stopped spinning. The cat pawed at it nervously, not knowing this was the same signature call sign left at the fifth such incident in just two weeks…

    Peace.

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  129. Rurik says:

    Will it ever end? I don’t know.

    the American revolutionary war was not fought over the Stamp Act or ‘taxation without representation’, but rather because Rothschild’s Bank of England demanded the colonies use their debt-based fiat currency, (as a way to enslave and dominate the colonials).

    http://www.lovethetruth.com/books/pawns/05.htm

    then again in 1812, Rothschild demanded at the point of a bayonet that Americans be their debt slaves. Only to be humiliated and sent packing back to Perfidious Albion.

    then again around 1833, it was Andrew Jackson that stomped the slithering Fiend dead at his feet..

    only to have the catastrophic Woodrow Wilson doom us all and hand over our collective destiny to these execrable men (and their spawn)

    all of these wars ever since WWI, right at the point when Wilson handed over control of this country to these Satanic snakes, are all a direct and predictable consequence of having these utterly mendacious and insatiably avaricious, craven little men given the power to issue America’s money, at interest.

    unless or until we can free ourselves from this Zionist yoke around our collective necks, we will all know nothing but wars for Israel and treachery and doom domestically.

    our only hope:

    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/house-panel-passes-bill-to-audit-the-fed-2017-03-28

    and by our, I mean every denizen of this planet

    because if history is any indication, these netherworld scum will never, ever relent until they have their boot firmly and permanently on our necks, or are sent packing to beyond the Pale. And history shows that they are capable of *anything, when it comes to exerting their nefarious$ domination over the rest of us.

    *http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q25/tedge_bucket/911%20Remembered/WTC911e.jpg

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  130. RobinG says:

    Oily has his own axe to grind (which apparently has only one edge). The JDL (Kahane) thugs don’t need any mention of 9/11 to become violent.

    http://forward.com/fast-forward/367168/watch-jewish-defense-league-clashes-with-protestors-at-aipac/

    A dozen JDL members or sympathizers also appeared in the video, confronting a much larger group of left-wing protestors who carried signs that read #JewishResistance.

    Founded in 1968 by the firebrand Jewish nationalist Meir Kahane, the JDL is seeking to re-establish itself in the United States after decades of inactivity. Leaders of the nascent American branch can be seen in the same the video as well as the current head of the Canadian branch of the movement.

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    Do you really believe that the Jewish problem in America is just a handful of JDL idiots? Did you even watch the video that you posted or commented on?

    Any American should have an axe to grind with the Jewish community, since they produce so many traitors for Israel/tribe and SJW rabble rousers.
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  131. gwynedd1 says:

    Any Jew that does not support Bulgaria is anti-Bulgar. Until the racists and bigots in the US grant 4 billion a year to Bulgaria, I will never cease to express my disgust for this injustice.

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  132. @RobinG
    Oily has his own axe to grind (which apparently has only one edge). The JDL (Kahane) thugs don't need any mention of 9/11 to become violent.

    http://forward.com/fast-forward/367168/watch-jewish-defense-league-clashes-with-protestors-at-aipac/
    A dozen JDL members or sympathizers also appeared in the video, confronting a much larger group of left-wing protestors who carried signs that read #JewishResistance.

    Founded in 1968 by the firebrand Jewish nationalist Meir Kahane, the JDL is seeking to re-establish itself in the United States after decades of inactivity. Leaders of the nascent American branch can be seen in the same the video as well as the current head of the Canadian branch of the movement.

    Do you really believe that the Jewish problem in America is just a handful of JDL idiots? Did you even watch the video that you posted or commented on?

    Any American should have an axe to grind with the Jewish community, since they produce so many traitors for Israel/tribe and SJW rabble rousers.

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  133. @Sam Shama
    Chucky

    You've mixed up what Talha wrote with my statements. Not that I disagree a great deal with Talha, mind you, but you need to read, retain and assign as and where required. Too difficult? I understand.

    Sadly misinformed you are about U.S. companies not doing business with Iran. Have you any familiarity with the idea of cross-holdings? No? Well I'll let you find out on your own. Here's a clue: U.S-European joint ventures. Putin smiles and partners .......

    The rest of your post says something ...something...about *China*...then *shit erupting* and then *Temple doors*, *Goldman Sachs* what else? You know, Adderall can be helpful.

    cheers.

    “Have you any familiarity with the idea cross-holdings.”

    Hey Sam The Sham,

    I did not need your “clue” and yes — I do have familiarity, especially with the business “cross-holdings” indulged by the late-Marc Rich.

    For those who may have forgotten about Rich’s criminal enterprises & presidential pardon, I provide the Guardian “link” below.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2013/jun/26/marc-rich-commodities-trader-fugitive-dies

    Finally, Sam the Sham, the sheer badness of your greedy economic solutions for humanity gives me strength. Thank you.

    Chucky

    post scriptum:
    To others, and upon making a return to P.G.’s AIPAC topic, it is “disgusting” how so many enRICHed U.S. politicians are on the brink of allowing a Bantustan solution for Palestinians.

    (Sigh0 Our rich U.S. Senators should not just sit back & enjoy their power and lavish lifestyles, because the Jews can one day set aside and replace them with new slops who are greedier & less patriotic than they. Karma?

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  134. Kagame was the leader of the RPF. The RPF, at the time under the leadership of Fred Rwigema, invaded Rwanda from Uganda in 1990, and Rwigema was killed in the initial invasion, prompting Kagame to return from his IMET junket at Ft Leavenworth. He assassinated (with US, British, Belgian and Canadian assistance) the president of Rwanda, Habyarimana, and proceeded to take over the country. The bulk of the dead were Hutus, killed by his forces. USA, Canada, Britain and Israel have been supporting him since, including launching fraudulent prosecutions of the former Rwandan government’s officials. The usual scam of plea bargains (coupled with death threats against the family members of the accused) were used, but some defendants stood up to this.

    The British army was involved in the “warning the world of the impending genocide” post facto scam (though Philpot is a bit pc). Gourevitch, of common-law relation to the likes of James Rubin (state department) and Amanpour (CNN), published the fraudulent document, demolished in the trial of Ndindiliyimana. Dallaire invaded DRC, to steal mineral wealth, in the form of Coltan, which has military applications (Cobalt) and electronic applications (Tantalum). 5-10 million people from Congo-Kinshasa died as a consequence.

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    Bro - I think you posted on the wrong thread - but thanks for that info. I was aware of the massacres under King Leopold (ones which get surprisingly little publicity despite the numbers - it dwarfs both what happened in Germany and Armenia) - and I knew there was a brewing nightmare in the Congo for the last decade or so, but did not know the details.

    As I said in another thread - the Day of Judgment will be a very grim day.

    Peace and much respect.

    , @Johan Meyer
    "Dallaire invaded DRC" should read "Kagame invaded DRC".
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  135. Talha says:
    @Johan Meyer
    Kagame was the leader of the RPF. The RPF, at the time under the leadership of Fred Rwigema, invaded Rwanda from Uganda in 1990, and Rwigema was killed in the initial invasion, prompting Kagame to return from his IMET junket at Ft Leavenworth. He assassinated (with US, British, Belgian and Canadian assistance) the president of Rwanda, Habyarimana, and proceeded to take over the country. The bulk of the dead were Hutus, killed by his forces. USA, Canada, Britain and Israel have been supporting him since, including launching fraudulent prosecutions of the former Rwandan government's officials. The usual scam of plea bargains (coupled with death threats against the family members of the accused) were used, but some defendants stood up to this.

    The British army was involved in the "warning the world of the impending genocide" post facto scam (though Philpot is a bit pc). Gourevitch, of common-law relation to the likes of James Rubin (state department) and Amanpour (CNN), published the fraudulent document, demolished in the trial of Ndindiliyimana. Dallaire invaded DRC, to steal mineral wealth, in the form of Coltan, which has military applications (Cobalt) and electronic applications (Tantalum). 5-10 million people from Congo-Kinshasa died as a consequence.

    Bro – I think you posted on the wrong thread – but thanks for that info. I was aware of the massacres under King Leopold (ones which get surprisingly little publicity despite the numbers – it dwarfs both what happened in Germany and Armenia) – and I knew there was a brewing nightmare in the Congo for the last decade or so, but did not know the details.

    As I said in another thread – the Day of Judgment will be a very grim day.

    Peace and much respect.

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    Giraldi asks why Kagame is present. Hence I present what I know. You might like some of my views, and thanks for the kind words, but I think if you were to know all my political views, you'd probably be rather appalled...
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  136. annamaria says:
    @Seraphim
    Jews may be American citizens. The problem starts when they are also citizens of another country and their loyalty goes first to that Fatherland, be it a physical or 'spiritual'. That was the dilemma of the Jews at all times.
    Christian societies had problems not so much with the Jews (who were always granted the permission to practice their religion) but with the 'Judaizers' from among themselves, the ones who wanted to imitate the Jews and to be like them, believing that at the 'end of times' they would be admitted to the same benefits that the Jews believe God would shower only upon them. Those (innumerable) who believe like the televangelists that "our nation was founded as a haven of refuge for the Jewish people as they sought asylum from the rampant anti-Semitism of Europe. And because America received the Jewish people of the world, God richly blessed our nation... We must come back to the unconditional support of the nation of Israel; without it, our nation will be outside of the blessings of God now and forevermore! The Judgement of the Nations (Joel 3:2) is where God the Father will judge men and nations based on how they treated His brethren, the Jews. America must be on the right side of that Judgement; we have been warned by the Lord Himself!".
    Those who "believe that "the Lord will bless those who bless Israel and curse those that curse His beloved people" (Russia and Iran hell-bent on destroying Israel- but don't worry, they will be utterly destroyed and the arch-villain Putler will have the fate of Haman, as Netanyahoo reminded Putin). You don't believe that the anti-Russian hysteria that sweeps America has other reasons.
    Don't go to AIPAC meetings.

    “…the anti-Russian hysteria that sweeps America…”

    https://consortiumnews.com/2017/03/29/the-sleazy-origins-of-russia-gate/

    “The Sleazy Origins of Russia-gate,” by Robert Parry

    “Schiff’s seamless 15-minute narrative of the Trump campaign’s alleged collaboration with Russia followed the script prepared by former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele… Steele, who had worked for Britain’s MI-6 in Russia, said he tapped into ex-colleagues and unnamed sources inside Russia, including leadership figures in the Kremlin, to piece together a series of sensational reports that became the basis of the current congressional and FBI investigations into Trump’s alleged ties to Moscow.” However, “neither Steele nor the “oppo research” company, Fusion GPS, that hired him – reportedly with funding from Clinton allies – has been summoned to testify.”

    The Trump team should start preparing a defamation lawsuit against Schiff ASAP. Let Mr. Schiff to fulfill his role du jour of a victim suffering eternal victimhood.
    This morsel could be helpful for the lawsuit: “Since last November’s election, Steele has ducked public inquiries and Glenn Simpson, the former Wall Street Journal journalist who heads Fusion GPS, has refused to divulge who hired his firm or answer other relevant questions. That means we still don’t know which Clinton friends paid for the dirt and how much money was given to subcontractors like Steele and his Russian associates. (One source told me it may have totaled around $1 million.)”

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  137. bjondo says:
    @Sam Shama

    Other Arab nations negotiating for Palestinians? Wouldn’t bet on it. Likud alliance with KSA? May not work out well. My opinion.
     
    Your opinion carries weight. I say this proposal has merit for a set of reasons not based on an appeal to Arab or Muslim solidarity. More, that the time to read the riot act has arrived for both Israel and the PA. Better parties to play the role of enforcer than the financial patrons?

    Palestinians’ biggest mistake? Allowing the PLO to cheer Saddam post Desert Storm. Many talented professionals I knew with in the Gulf were expelled stateless and unemployed. A great loss.
     
    Agreed. This is a little-known point of recent history which does not find much currency in these echo chambers. Really, the Palestinians are the least preferred ethnics in the Gulf. Even amongst the Israeli Arabs, a Pal fatigue has set in...

    If there’s an answer, it’s between Israel and the Palestinians. Hard choices need to made by both. Does Israel want to expel Pals on camera as the world watches? Citing historic abuse (justified) while depriving fellow humans of their rights? I have no easy answers (wish I did).
     
    Its been "tried" apparently. Requires leaders who care less for re-election than determinedly achieving a solution. Netanyahu? Don't know. PA leadership? Well.....Israel certainly would not do well to expel them, in camera, or, in the cover of the dark. Experience of historic abuse requires Jews to not perpetrate the very same, doesn't it? That's easy. What I am less certain of is how we extend full citizenship to Pals in a 1SS without unleashing a precarious demographic nightmare. Which is why I don't see an alternative to a 2SS, with Jordan assuming a significant part in the proceedings.

    Agreed. This is a little-known point of recent history which does not find much currency in these echo chambers. Really, the Palestinians are the least preferred ethnics in the Gulf. Even amongst the Israeli Arabs, a Pal fatigue has set in

    ‘least preferred’ because those below the corrupt, western-approved elite fear the Palestinians because the mass of their citizens strongly support the Palestinians who are the symbol of struggle against monsters, thieves, parasites.

    “Pal fatigue” only among Jews who want all Palestinians gone. Israeli Arabs are Palestinians and are not tired of themselves. All Palestinians (and 97% of the rest of the world) have Jew fatigue to put it mildly.

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  138. @Talha
    Bro - I think you posted on the wrong thread - but thanks for that info. I was aware of the massacres under King Leopold (ones which get surprisingly little publicity despite the numbers - it dwarfs both what happened in Germany and Armenia) - and I knew there was a brewing nightmare in the Congo for the last decade or so, but did not know the details.

    As I said in another thread - the Day of Judgment will be a very grim day.

    Peace and much respect.

    Giraldi asks why Kagame is present. Hence I present what I know. You might like some of my views, and thanks for the kind words, but I think if you were to know all my political views, you’d probably be rather appalled…

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    Hey JM,

    you’d probably be rather appalled
     
    Likely not - you're probably not going to shock me with anything more than what I've already seen on these boards. I've even had decent exchange with people who have let me know clearly they would like nothing more than to put me and my family on a boat and send us East.

    Welcome to the jungle.

    Peace.
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  139. @Johan Meyer
    Kagame was the leader of the RPF. The RPF, at the time under the leadership of Fred Rwigema, invaded Rwanda from Uganda in 1990, and Rwigema was killed in the initial invasion, prompting Kagame to return from his IMET junket at Ft Leavenworth. He assassinated (with US, British, Belgian and Canadian assistance) the president of Rwanda, Habyarimana, and proceeded to take over the country. The bulk of the dead were Hutus, killed by his forces. USA, Canada, Britain and Israel have been supporting him since, including launching fraudulent prosecutions of the former Rwandan government's officials. The usual scam of plea bargains (coupled with death threats against the family members of the accused) were used, but some defendants stood up to this.

    The British army was involved in the "warning the world of the impending genocide" post facto scam (though Philpot is a bit pc). Gourevitch, of common-law relation to the likes of James Rubin (state department) and Amanpour (CNN), published the fraudulent document, demolished in the trial of Ndindiliyimana. Dallaire invaded DRC, to steal mineral wealth, in the form of Coltan, which has military applications (Cobalt) and electronic applications (Tantalum). 5-10 million people from Congo-Kinshasa died as a consequence.

    “Dallaire invaded DRC” should read “Kagame invaded DRC”.

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  140. jconsley says:
    @Chris 07
    Whenever possible, I won't vote for candidates supported by AIPAC.

    If people would join me in that, then the 'power' of AIPAC would evaporate. When it becomes true that AIPAC support is the kiss of death to a politician, then AIPAC will be powerless. All we have to do is to Just Say No.

    AIPAC wants to bankrupt America. We are $Trillions in debt and running a huge deficit. We can't afford to give a regional superpower $Billions a year. If paying for the defense of NATO is a bad idea, then why is paying for the defense of Israel a good idea?

    And, whether its Israel or Montenegro, what they are really asking for is the blood of American children. Neither is worth a single drop. Just Say No.

    Why are Americans denied the information necessary for citizens to be knowledgeable about AIPAC and its tactics? This has been going on since the sixties. Fulbright held hearings about U.S. tax dollars given to Israel and then laundered and returned as campaign contributions for Congress. Consequently, U.S. citizens are taxed so that Israelis have U.S. tax dollars to buy influence in the U.S. Congress. Moreover, there is something terribly wrong when Americans who disagree with “Israeli values” are never allowed or represented on the “news media” to voice dissent. Most American citizens do not share these Israeli values of: (1) not recognizing and abiding by International laws, (2) capturing territory and removing or forcing indigent citizens from their land and use of water/and resources, (3) enforcing apartheid laws in captured territory, (4) rejecting U.N. Resolutions and descriptions of war crimes and (5) refusal to declare borders for the State of Israel. What are the exact borders of Israel that U.S Senators and Representatives recognize to be defended? In agreeing that the U.S. will use its U.N. veto power at Israel’s request and for its sole benefit rather than foremost for U.S. interests, such acquiescence actually subjugates 330 million U.S. citizens’ interests and values to those of 6 million Israelis.

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    "...such acquiescence actually subjugates 330 million U.S. citizens’ interests and values to those of 6 million Israelis.'
    See a metaphorical explanation of the US/Israel relationships (everything is done for the future of parasitoid's young). "Beautiful wasp zombifies cockroach:" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ySwuQhruBo
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHsSqsqJtZg
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  141. jconsley says:

    what needs to be moderated? these comments are accurate! Fulbright did hold hearings and they are on record in U.S. archives! U.S. interests are subjugated to Israel’s interests in many more instances!

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    Probably spam filtration. Your comment shows. The comments seem to pass within ten minutes.
    , @Gringo
    And to punish Fulbright for daring to draw attention to the theft of billions a year by Israel and American Jews they destroyed him in the next election.
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  142. Sam Shama says:
    @Talha
    Hey NtD,

    Like I said to Frankie - I may not agree with everything (or even a good amount) of what Sam has to say, but that doesn't necessarily matter. Making peace between someone that one already has a bunch of common ground with requires no effort - between two different viewpoints is where sincerity and effort are required. I want to hear what he has to say and I want him to listen to my viewpoint and frankly it has helped me to understand things better.

    The late Dr. Hassan Hathout (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hassan_Hathout) was one of the elders in the SoCal Muslim community. Soft-spoken and erudite, he had a very generous and humble character. One time a friend told me about what he did in one of the wars between Egypt and Israel (I forget which one) - he was a soldier and ended up capturing an Israeli soldier in the conflict. He treated the man so well (he wanted to exemplify the best of the Prophetic tradition) that they became friends even after the prisoner swaps and kept in touch with each other across the borders well into old age. We have to raise the bar in our conduct.

    Peace.

    he was a soldier and ended up capturing an Israeli soldier in the conflict. He treated the man so well (he wanted to exemplify the best of the Prophetic tradition) that they became friends even after the prisoner swaps and kept in touch with each other across the borders well into old age.

    This is a story I can easily relate to, Talha. As you know from our previous exchanges, I am fortunate to have a great many Israeli Arab friends; most of them are outstanding horsemen and we’ve kept the tradition of spending many summer days together with our equine companions. If you talk to my friends, you’ll understand how we feel about each other……..I’ll ignore the vitriol from people who get their rage from a steady diet of internet stories alone.

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    Hey Sam,

    Yeah, it's not really the Arabs inside Israel that are as much of a concern (or Circassians, etc. for that matter). It's the West Bank and Gaza that are the biggest problem something needs to be done about that and fast. I thought the West Bank settlements were bad in the late 90's when we were protesting at UCLA - now it's just crazy - it's almost a fait accompli.

    Looks like the Muslim countries are saying; pull back to 1967 border and full diplomatic relations will start.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/in-a-message-to-trump-arab-leaders-renew-calls-for-a-palestinian-state/2017/03/29/15c27fd8-10c7-11e7-aa57-2ca1b05c41b8_story.html?utm_term=.dbeba141fc4b

    I personally think this is very reasonable.

    Peace.
    , @jacques sheete

    … and we’ve kept the tradition of spending many summer days together with our equine companions.
     
    Which one is you?


    https://youtu.be/b_BPDIXXYmk?t=760
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  143. @jconsley
    what needs to be moderated? these comments are accurate! Fulbright did hold hearings and they are on record in U.S. archives! U.S. interests are subjugated to Israel's interests in many more instances!

    Probably spam filtration. Your comment shows. The comments seem to pass within ten minutes.

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  144. Talha says:
    @Johan Meyer
    Giraldi asks why Kagame is present. Hence I present what I know. You might like some of my views, and thanks for the kind words, but I think if you were to know all my political views, you'd probably be rather appalled...

    Hey JM,

    you’d probably be rather appalled

    Likely not – you’re probably not going to shock me with anything more than what I’ve already seen on these boards. I’ve even had decent exchange with people who have let me know clearly they would like nothing more than to put me and my family on a boat and send us East.

    Welcome to the jungle.

    Peace.

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  145. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    Thought I explained this to you back when you asked me the question. Numbers are of the essence, my dear sir, 15-20% minorities being the ideal- salt in the stew
     
    Yes, of course, you did. Here is the last exchange we had on this topic. I presented the following alarming statistic about US demographic trends:

    The nation’s demographics are on a clear trajectory: White people are dying faster than they are being born, which means they are on target to become a minority in the United States in 30 years.

    http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/6/25/whites-on-target-to-become-a-us-minority.html
     
    to which you replied:

    As I have always maintained numbers are of the essence, and the numbers do not cause me any alarm. Whites growing less than replacement rate will likely reverse.*
     
    Since you further clarified that you're in favour of immigration levels that will add a little spice but not spoil the main ingredient by making it too salty, I am now in a position to make the following observation.

    I too, believe that numbers are of the essence and that adding a little salt to the stew is acceptable. But here's the key question the answer to which distinguishes the Zionist project from all other countries: is the salt to be added domestic or imported?

    Whereas in the case of the Zionist project, the indigenous Palestinians would regard the settlers as the salt and themselves as the stew, in European and European-derived countries, however, the salt is the non-European immigrants.

    See the difference?

    btw - all this talk about stew is making me hungry.

    * perhaps you could indicate on what basis you have arrived at this conclusion?

    I too, believe that numbers are of the essence and that adding a little salt to the stew is acceptable. But here’s the key question the answer to which distinguishes the Zionist project from all other countries: is the salt to be added domestic or imported?

    Jews in Israel? No.

    You must mean Canada, where the First Nation people (Cayuga, Métis, Sioux, Seneca, Chilcotin) find the stew rather too salty at the moment.

    Hope you are enjoying the stew, eh? :-)

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    (This comment is not primarily meant for Sam The Sham but he's welcome to read it)

    Hey geaokat62,

    Please don't let The Sham do a Star Trek time-reversal, and dispatch you into the beautiful world of First Nation people. As you know, that's Shammy's favorite game especially now with the disgusting AIPAC & U.S. politicians as Mr. G's topic. One two, three... deflect, look elsehwre !

    He's always sooooooo enthralled with his narcissist "talking down" to commenters on the topic of international trade. And now The Sham's rides horseback along with Arab-Israeli sidekicks and unlike The Minutemen, he's shouting, "Hooray, Jared & Mnuchin are coming!"

    For you (below) is a Haaretz article which describes how the-late-Marc Rich defied U.S. sanctions and did "business" with Ayatollah Khomeini. (Note: The Vampire Squid tentacles went deeper into Hades but I wanted to softly introduce you to M.R.'s most notable crimes by going with Haaretz)

    http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/business/.premium-1.532365

    By the way, George, if possible, please look at today's Wall Street Journal front page? There's a 6" x 8" color picture of Vladimir Putin and Iranian President Ruhani (eye to eye) "touted strengthening ties after meeting in Moscow on Tuesday." What do you think AIPAC and P.M. Netanyahu think about such photo?

    Let's shed residual antagonisms? There's too much at stake for our personal egos to add SALT to the wounds that AIPAC & politicians perpetually inflict upon mankind. Be well!
    , @geokat62

    You must mean Canada...
     
    No doubt that tremendous wrongs have taken place in the past in most New World countries. But none of these indigenous peoples are currently enduring what the Palestinians are currently forced to endure, living under a brutal occupation. I am willing to condemn the crimes of the past, Sam. Are you willing to condemn the crimes of the present?
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  146. @Anon
    Keith says:


    Great comment.

    You made a very clear point.

    Where can we go from here?

    Classical economics and neoclassical economics viewed money as the veil or shadow of economic activity. Austrian economics views money as a commodity, but one which facilitates and makes exchanges of economic goods easier to transact. None of these economic theories understood the real role that money plays. Keynes was right. Money leads and economic activity follows where money leads. Combine this knowledge with the realization that our political system has been reduced from its primary role of legislation and execution and enforcement of the laws to that of just another economic good that is transacted in the money controlled economy, and consequently does as money demands, and the problem we face becomes far more understandable.

    The only thing worse than the government as an economic good for sale to the highest bidder to do as money demands view of the republicans is the government as a money-driven intrusive fixer of people view of the democrats. The proper role of government is not to do as the economically superior class demands; nor is it to do as the morally superior do-gooder class demands. The proper role of a government for, of, and by the people is to protect the rest of us from these predatory and parasitic classes. If government can be re-purposed to its proper role, the control that these predatory and parasitic classes exercise over it via money can be broken.

    Once the money power is removed from the control of the predatory and parasitic classes, a restoration of Christian morality will again be possible. Just like government, religion (and thereby morality) has become an economic good controlled by money. Once freed, religion can once again fulfill its traditional role of establishing, teaching, and safeguarding our Christian morality, as it continues to evolve over time to meet new challenges.

    We are in an imaginary prison that has been controlled by pieces of shiny metal, then scraps of green paper, and now virtual blips on a computer screen. All it takes is a little bit of imagination to see it, and the courage to act on it, and the walls can come tumbling down.

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  147. @Sam Shama

    I too, believe that numbers are of the essence and that adding a little salt to the stew is acceptable. But here’s the key question the answer to which distinguishes the Zionist project from all other countries: is the salt to be added domestic or imported?
     
    Jews in Israel? No.

    You must mean Canada, where the First Nation people (Cayuga, Métis, Sioux, Seneca, Chilcotin) find the stew rather too salty at the moment.

    Hope you are enjoying the stew, eh? :-)

    (This comment is not primarily meant for Sam The Sham but he’s welcome to read it)

    Hey geaokat62,

    Please don’t let The Sham do a Star Trek time-reversal, and dispatch you into the beautiful world of First Nation people. As you know, that’s Shammy’s favorite game especially now with the disgusting AIPAC & U.S. politicians as Mr. G’s topic. One two, three… deflect, look elsehwre !

    He’s always sooooooo enthralled with his narcissist “talking down” to commenters on the topic of international trade. And now The Sham’s rides horseback along with Arab-Israeli sidekicks and unlike The Minutemen, he’s shouting, “Hooray, Jared & Mnuchin are coming!”

    For you (below) is a Haaretz article which describes how the-late-Marc Rich defied U.S. sanctions and did “business” with Ayatollah Khomeini. (Note: The Vampire Squid tentacles went deeper into Hades but I wanted to softly introduce you to M.R.’s most notable crimes by going with Haaretz)

    http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/business/.premium-1.532365

    By the way, George, if possible, please look at today’s Wall Street Journal front page? There’s a 6″ x 8″ color picture of Vladimir Putin and Iranian President Ruhani (eye to eye) “touted strengthening ties after meeting in Moscow on Tuesday.” What do you think AIPAC and P.M. Netanyahu think about such photo?

    Let’s shed residual antagonisms? There’s too much at stake for our personal egos to add SALT to the wounds that AIPAC & politicians perpetually inflict upon mankind. Be well!

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    For you (below) is a Haaretz article which describes how the-late-Marc Rich defied U.S. sanctions and did “business” with Ayatollah Khomeini.
     
    Here's another.

    Bollyn writes a lot of great stuff.



    Henry Crown became the largest shareholder of Texas-based General Dynamics when he merged his sand and gravel (and cement) company, Material Service Corp., with the nearly bankrupt defense contractor in 1959. Crown's new company was in dire straits financially until 1962 when it was rescued by a $7 billion contract to produce a new fighter jet for the military. This became known as the TFX/F-111 scandal. In 1963 General Dynamics came under congressional investigation to determine exactly how Henry Crown had finagled this huge Texas deal.

    http://www.bollyn.com/the-zionist-criminal-network/#article_14597

     

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  148. bjondo says:
    @bjondo

    Agreed. This is a little-known point of recent history which does not find much currency in these echo chambers. Really, the Palestinians are the least preferred ethnics in the Gulf. Even amongst the Israeli Arabs, a Pal fatigue has set in
     
    'least preferred' because those below the corrupt, western-approved elite fear the Palestinians because the mass of their citizens strongly support the Palestinians who are the symbol of struggle against monsters, thieves, parasites.

    "Pal fatigue" only among Jews who want all Palestinians gone. Israeli Arabs are Palestinians and are not tired of themselves. All Palestinians (and 97% of the rest of the world) have Jew fatigue to put it mildly.

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  149. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama

    I too, believe that numbers are of the essence and that adding a little salt to the stew is acceptable. But here’s the key question the answer to which distinguishes the Zionist project from all other countries: is the salt to be added domestic or imported?
     
    Jews in Israel? No.

    You must mean Canada, where the First Nation people (Cayuga, Métis, Sioux, Seneca, Chilcotin) find the stew rather too salty at the moment.

    Hope you are enjoying the stew, eh? :-)

    You must mean Canada…

    No doubt that tremendous wrongs have taken place in the past in most New World countries. But none of these indigenous peoples are currently enduring what the Palestinians are currently forced to endure, living under a brutal occupation. I am willing to condemn the crimes of the past, Sam. Are you willing to condemn the crimes of the present?

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    And Sam should also condemn crimes of past along with crimes of present and crimes of tomorrow.

    Jews were participants of crimes in the past/present of all the Americas. Not just participants but dominant.

    Slick to point to Canada as if only non Jew involved.
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  150. Talha says:
    @Sam Shama

    he was a soldier and ended up capturing an Israeli soldier in the conflict. He treated the man so well (he wanted to exemplify the best of the Prophetic tradition) that they became friends even after the prisoner swaps and kept in touch with each other across the borders well into old age.
     
    This is a story I can easily relate to, Talha. As you know from our previous exchanges, I am fortunate to have a great many Israeli Arab friends; most of them are outstanding horsemen and we've kept the tradition of spending many summer days together with our equine companions. If you talk to my friends, you'll understand how we feel about each other........I'll ignore the vitriol from people who get their rage from a steady diet of internet stories alone.

    Hey Sam,

    Yeah, it’s not really the Arabs inside Israel that are as much of a concern (or Circassians, etc. for that matter). It’s the West Bank and Gaza that are the biggest problem something needs to be done about that and fast. I thought the West Bank settlements were bad in the late 90′s when we were protesting at UCLA – now it’s just crazy – it’s almost a fait accompli.

    Looks like the Muslim countries are saying; pull back to 1967 border and full diplomatic relations will start.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/in-a-message-to-trump-arab-leaders-renew-calls-for-a-palestinian-state/2017/03/29/15c27fd8-10c7-11e7-aa57-2ca1b05c41b8_story.html?utm_term=.dbeba141fc4b

    I personally think this is very reasonable.

    Peace.

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    Hello Talha,

    “It’s the West Bank and Gaza that are the biggest problem something needs to be done about that and fast. I thought the West Bank settlements were bad in the late 90¢s when we were protesting at UCLA – now it’s just crazy – it’s almost a fait accompli.”

    Couldn’t agree more. It just got worse:

    “Israeli guidelines point to largely unconstrained settlement expansion
    Plan outlined by Benjamin Netanyahu would allow building within boundaries of existing blocks, adjacent to them, or close to the blocs”


    The Trump Administration seems indifferent:

    “...the existence of settlements is not in itself an impediment to peace, further unrestrained settlement activity does not help advance peace,” the US official said. “The Israeli government has made clear that going forward, its intent is to adopt a policy regarding settlement activity that takes the president’s concerns into consideration. The United States welcomes this.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/30/israel-approves-west-bank-settlements-trump-administration

    Taking “the president’s concerns into consideration.” What’s that mean? Reeks of criminal complicity. I also agree about the ‘67 border but increasingly doubt it will happen. Wish it would.

    Appreciate your contrast of Salafis and Wahhabis (response #154; http://www.unz.com/ishamir/purim-gifts/#comments)

    Best.
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  151. Incitatus says:
    @NoseytheDuke
    Since the US insists on retaining the death penalty surely it should be employed in matters of treason even more than for murder? Most murderers kill but one person while traitors bring death and destruction to all of the nation.

    Interestingly, Great Britain (I can't write that without snickering even though I was born and raised in GB) abolished the death penalty decades ago though I believe it remains on the books for treason (and for arson in the King's shipyards) though it is never applied. Surely Tony Blair has given cause for this to change?

    There would be far less treachery if traitors, especially politicians, were executed promptly and publicly and a better world would result. Firing squads would be my recommendation.

    You raise a great dual question: crime and deterrence.

    “There would be far less treachery if traitors, especially politicians, were executed promptly and publicly and a better world would result.”

    Treason. Lèse-majesté comes to mind. Celebrated beheadings like Thomas More in 1535 or Anne Boleyn the year following. That’s when treason meant pissing-off your monarch (and God, if ruled by divine right). The king was, of course, also the state (apologies Louis XIV). No need to go elsewhere for communal interest, no need for a genuine trial. Off with the head!

    There are few better deterrents than losing one’s head. Well, OK. Drawing-and-quartering, slow disembowelment, burning alive, and flaying are pretty effective. Firing squads are easy, a soldiers death (and not nearly as much fun to watch). Is hanging better? Twitches and grotesque motions – probably more entertaining. Think of the six Lincoln assassins (one women, no less). There’s also William Joyce (Lord Haw Haw; convicted of treason ‘45, hung London ‘46 – the last in the UK – Rebecca West’s ‘Train of Powder’ is a good read).

    Back to beheadings. Think of France and the Terror. The guillotine is a fearsome deterrent! France’s love affair with it ended in 1977. A couple of good centuries, no doubt. Nazis apparently agreed, given their beheading of Sophie (21) and Hans Scholl (24) ‘43 in Munich. The Scholls’ crime? Nonviolent resistance (publishing antiwar pamphlets). Treason. Lèse-majesté.

    Saudi Arabia still prefers beheading for the big ones (amputation for the little ones). Don’t know if anyone else does. In the early 80s one could go to Riyadh’s ‘chop-square’ to watch but, to be honest, I never did. I’ll say this, one felt pretty safe in KSA. Except, of course, driving (it was Russian roulette).

    Let’s get back to the difference between murder and treason. Number of victims? Levels of guilt? Murder can be planned over a long period, or an act spawned by instant rage. Which invites more guilt? Treason usually falls in the premeditated category. And you’re right, it’s against the community, commonwealth or nation. More victims. Greater guilt?

    Look now at recent crimes against the nation and deterrent punishment. Treason’s called espionage, though I’m no lawyer. The Rosenburgs? Executed ‘53. Did that deter John Walker, Robert Hanssen, Jonathan Pollard or Aldrich Ames? Sadly, no.

    Regarding AIPAC, duel loyalty, and corrupt politicians.

    The first should be considered a foreign lobbyist with corresponding tax and regulatory constraints. The second is harder to deal with. Want to ban St-Patrick’s and Puerto-Rico-Day parades? Knights of Columbus (love those uniforms)? When does affection for origins cross the line to sedition?

    No easy answers. Maybe it depends on action. Individual action. Just like any other crime. And equally demanding proof. Last, corrupt politicians. Criminality? same as category two – proof. Hate their record? Vote them out. Wish I had better answers (don’t like watching the AIPAC show either).

    “arson in the King’s shipyards”

    What a great charge! Reminds me of the nuclear submarine USS Miami, burned at Portsmouth Naval Shipyard while in refit 2012. Damage was estimated at $400+ million. At first the source was inexplicable (terrorism?). They eventually traced it to a civilian worker who started it to be able to go home early. He got 17 years in a Federal pen and a $400 million fine. If terrorism, would he have gotten death? Maybe. Motive means a lot, if not everything.

    I’m not holding my breath on payment of the fine.

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    “A person who does evil by reason of ignorance is less culpable than a person who, knowing evil, does so anyway?”

    I don’t believe that. Ignorance isn’t an excuse, any more than ‘following orders’ was at Nüremberg. Each of us is responsible for our action. Each must be tireless in determining the morality of our action moment to moment.

     
    Motive means a lot, if not everything.

    I see a serious contradiction here, help me out.
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  152. Svigor says:

    Incitatus:

    Think they’ll miss your rants and afford you illusory onanism?

    Shama:

    they’ll be on their way to an evening of solitary recreation, if not accompanied also, by an excess of onanism.

    What is it with Jews, and the frequent references to scatology, masturbation, etc? Yes, this means I’ve turned the corner, and think Incitatus is probably a Jew.

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    Svigor, what a pleasure!

    Another unlinked post, but at least this time you mention authors. Many thanks!

    And, to be honest, don’t you feel better?

    One hopes for a touch of comedy each day - thanks for doing your best to provide it.

    “What is it with Jews, and the frequent references to scatology, masturbation, etc? Yes, this means I’ve turned the corner, and think Incitatus is probably a Jew.”

    One can plainly see you’ve looked up onanism. Did it seem familiar? Have a history with it that makes it seem natural? Like ranting in unlinked, un-attributed posts against others you’re still afraid to link to?

    Corners?” How many have you “turned”? Actually, I’m kind of afraid to ask that. I have this lurking feeling that, like the celebrated mouse in a maze, you turn a lot of corners. Makes me dizzy.

    Golly. What can one say?

    I’ll be candid (I’m that kind of guy, Svigor). I was trying my best not to say (American term here) you’re a jerk-off. Enough said, say no more. Never happened, all the best, etc.

    Keep ‘em coming (sorry for the pun).
    , @Seraphim
    Onanism is a Jewish invention! It is in their 'Tanakh'. Onan was the son of Judah.
    Jewish obsession with excreta (especially feces) is well known, freely admitted by many Jews. It is, as their own Freud 'discovered' an arrestation in their “psychosexual development”at the “anal stage,” in which, around the age of two, pleasurable sensations become centered on the anus, and children become fascinated by their own feces. This is the stage of life where, according to Freud “anal personalities” could develop.
    Feces are the symbol of desecration. There are cases when shitting on sacred objects or smearing shit on them is accompanied by masturbation.
    , @jacques sheete

    ...and the frequent references to scatology, masturbation...
     
    It goes far beyond mere references.

    The hoods used on prisoners by the US and Israel have apparently been contaminated with various forms of filth ( use your imagination), and there're the "skunk trucks" that spray Palestinian homes with sewage and then there's this, which probably is NOT an isolated incident.


    “WASHINGTON — “I’m not spreading propaganda,” George Stephanopoulos’ orthodox-nun sister vows, but Israeli soldiers last week “defecated” on the floors of a West Bank medical clinic they raided.
    They’re also looting Palestinians’ homes there, claims Sister Maria Stephanopoulos, a nun at the Convent of St. Mary Magdalene in Jerusalem.”

    www.wnd.com/2002/04/13678/
     


    Someone Even Managed to Defecate Into the Photocopier
    The IDF soldiers who moved into West Bank cities left behind destruction and degradation, Amira Hass reports.

    http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/features/someone-even-managed-to-defecate-into-the-photocopier-1.46032
     


    ABUSIVE ACT BETWEEN IDF SOLDIERS CAUGHT ON TAPE
    IDF COMMANDER ORDERS AN IMMEDIATE INQUIRY AFTER VIDEO SURFACES SHOWING ONE GOLANI SOLDIER DEFECATING ONTO ANOTHER, BELIEVED TO BE THE RESULT OF A LOST BET.
    BY GILI COHEN | MAY 3, 2013 | 1:23 PM | 7

    HTTP://WWW.HAARETZ.COM/NEWS/DIPLOMACY-DEFENSE/ABUSIVE-ACT-BETWEEN-IDF-SOLDIERS-CAUGHT-ON-TAPE.PREMIUM-1.519073
     

    We're obviously dealing with some really sick psychopathy here, dudes and dudettes!
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  153. @Talha
    Hey JS,

    When...?
     
    Perhaps never, but it doesn't really matter in the long run, as Mr. Giraldi points out:

    Israel and its basic policies towards Arabs and its neighbors are unsustainable both from a human rights and practical point of view.
     
    The world moves along with or without us - the existence of the Soviet Union was extremely useful for many in our state apparatus. Its eventual collapse was fairly swift and caught many by surprise - policies and priorities had to be re-evaluated. If our politicians, the sociopathic whores that they are, will simply queue in line for the next highest bidder.

    Peace.

    I really can’t see the Chinese putting up with this shit.

    The first Chinese politician to be discovered taking AIPAC like money will be executed.
    End of problem.

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  154. Incitatus says:
    @Svigor
    Incitatus:

    Think they’ll miss your rants and afford you illusory onanism?
     
    Shama:

    they’ll be on their way to an evening of solitary recreation, if not accompanied also, by an excess of onanism.
     
    What is it with Jews, and the frequent references to scatology, masturbation, etc? Yes, this means I've turned the corner, and think Incitatus is probably a Jew.

    Svigor, what a pleasure!

    Another unlinked post, but at least this time you mention authors. Many thanks!

    And, to be honest, don’t you feel better?

    One hopes for a touch of comedy each day – thanks for doing your best to provide it.

    “What is it with Jews, and the frequent references to scatology, masturbation, etc? Yes, this means I’ve turned the corner, and think Incitatus is probably a Jew.”

    One can plainly see you’ve looked up onanism. Did it seem familiar? Have a history with it that makes it seem natural? Like ranting in unlinked, un-attributed posts against others you’re still afraid to link to?

    Corners?” How many have you “turned”? Actually, I’m kind of afraid to ask that. I have this lurking feeling that, like the celebrated mouse in a maze, you turn a lot of corners. Makes me dizzy.

    Golly. What can one say?

    I’ll be candid (I’m that kind of guy, Svigor). I was trying my best not to say (American term here) you’re a jerk-off. Enough said, say no more. Never happened, all the best, etc.

    Keep ‘em coming (sorry for the pun).

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    I am going to archive this one for the ages!

    Doubled over, sides splitting.


    HAHAHAHA
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  155. @Chuck Orloski
    (This comment is not primarily meant for Sam The Sham but he's welcome to read it)

    Hey geaokat62,

    Please don't let The Sham do a Star Trek time-reversal, and dispatch you into the beautiful world of First Nation people. As you know, that's Shammy's favorite game especially now with the disgusting AIPAC & U.S. politicians as Mr. G's topic. One two, three... deflect, look elsehwre !

    He's always sooooooo enthralled with his narcissist "talking down" to commenters on the topic of international trade. And now The Sham's rides horseback along with Arab-Israeli sidekicks and unlike The Minutemen, he's shouting, "Hooray, Jared & Mnuchin are coming!"

    For you (below) is a Haaretz article which describes how the-late-Marc Rich defied U.S. sanctions and did "business" with Ayatollah Khomeini. (Note: The Vampire Squid tentacles went deeper into Hades but I wanted to softly introduce you to M.R.'s most notable crimes by going with Haaretz)

    http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/business/.premium-1.532365

    By the way, George, if possible, please look at today's Wall Street Journal front page? There's a 6" x 8" color picture of Vladimir Putin and Iranian President Ruhani (eye to eye) "touted strengthening ties after meeting in Moscow on Tuesday." What do you think AIPAC and P.M. Netanyahu think about such photo?

    Let's shed residual antagonisms? There's too much at stake for our personal egos to add SALT to the wounds that AIPAC & politicians perpetually inflict upon mankind. Be well!

    For you (below) is a Haaretz article which describes how the-late-Marc Rich defied U.S. sanctions and did “business” with Ayatollah Khomeini.

    Here’s another.

    Bollyn writes a lot of great stuff.

    Henry Crown became the largest shareholder of Texas-based General Dynamics when he merged his sand and gravel (and cement) company, Material Service Corp., with the nearly bankrupt defense contractor in 1959. Crown’s new company was in dire straits financially until 1962 when it was rescued by a $7 billion contract to produce a new fighter jet for the military. This became known as the TFX/F-111 scandal. In 1963 General Dynamics came under congressional investigation to determine exactly how Henry Crown had finagled this huge Texas deal.

    http://www.bollyn.com/the-zionist-criminal-network/#article_14597

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    Thanks, Jacques... had not read this one by C.B.

    He provides connective "dots" and all Americans should follow them.

    Awareness & exposure of evil is the only homeland security available to us right now!
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  156. iffen says:
    @Incitatus
    You raise a great dual question: crime and deterrence.

    “There would be far less treachery if traitors, especially politicians, were executed promptly and publicly and a better world would result.”

    Treason. Lèse-majesté comes to mind. Celebrated beheadings like Thomas More in 1535 or Anne Boleyn the year following. That’s when treason meant pissing-off your monarch (and God, if ruled by divine right). The king was, of course, also the state (apologies Louis XIV). No need to go elsewhere for communal interest, no need for a genuine trial. Off with the head!

    There are few better deterrents than losing one’s head. Well, OK. Drawing-and-quartering, slow disembowelment, burning alive, and flaying are pretty effective. Firing squads are easy, a soldiers death (and not nearly as much fun to watch). Is hanging better? Twitches and grotesque motions - probably more entertaining. Think of the six Lincoln assassins (one women, no less). There’s also William Joyce (Lord Haw Haw; convicted of treason ‘45, hung London ‘46 - the last in the UK - Rebecca West’s ‘Train of Powder’ is a good read).

    Back to beheadings. Think of France and the Terror. The guillotine is a fearsome deterrent! France’s love affair with it ended in 1977. A couple of good centuries, no doubt. Nazis apparently agreed, given their beheading of Sophie (21) and Hans Scholl (24) ‘43 in Munich. The Scholls’ crime? Nonviolent resistance (publishing antiwar pamphlets). Treason. Lèse-majesté.

    Saudi Arabia still prefers beheading for the big ones (amputation for the little ones). Don’t know if anyone else does. In the early 80s one could go to Riyadh’s ‘chop-square’ to watch but, to be honest, I never did. I’ll say this, one felt pretty safe in KSA. Except, of course, driving (it was Russian roulette).

    Let’s get back to the difference between murder and treason. Number of victims? Levels of guilt? Murder can be planned over a long period, or an act spawned by instant rage. Which invites more guilt? Treason usually falls in the premeditated category. And you’re right, it’s against the community, commonwealth or nation. More victims. Greater guilt?

    Look now at recent crimes against the nation and deterrent punishment. Treason’s called espionage, though I’m no lawyer. The Rosenburgs? Executed ‘53. Did that deter John Walker, Robert Hanssen, Jonathan Pollard or Aldrich Ames? Sadly, no.

    Regarding AIPAC, duel loyalty, and corrupt politicians.

    The first should be considered a foreign lobbyist with corresponding tax and regulatory constraints. The second is harder to deal with. Want to ban St-Patrick’s and Puerto-Rico-Day parades? Knights of Columbus (love those uniforms)? When does affection for origins cross the line to sedition?

    No easy answers. Maybe it depends on action. Individual action. Just like any other crime. And equally demanding proof. Last, corrupt politicians. Criminality? same as category two - proof. Hate their record? Vote them out. Wish I had better answers (don’t like watching the AIPAC show either).

    “arson in the King’s shipyards”

    What a great charge! Reminds me of the nuclear submarine USS Miami, burned at Portsmouth Naval Shipyard while in refit 2012. Damage was estimated at $400+ million. At first the source was inexplicable (terrorism?). They eventually traced it to a civilian worker who started it to be able to go home early. He got 17 years in a Federal pen and a $400 million fine. If terrorism, would he have gotten death? Maybe. Motive means a lot, if not everything.

    I’m not holding my breath on payment of the fine.

    “A person who does evil by reason of ignorance is less culpable than a person who, knowing evil, does so anyway?”

    I don’t believe that. Ignorance isn’t an excuse, any more than ‘following orders’ was at Nüremberg. Each of us is responsible for our action. Each must be tireless in determining the morality of our action moment to moment.

    Motive means a lot, if not everything.

    I see a serious contradiction here, help me out.

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    “Motive means a lot, if not everything.”

    “I see a serious contradiction here, help me out.”

    You shouldn’t.

    “Ignorance isn’t an excuse”

    The arsonist wasn’t ignorant. He wanted to go home early. Why he didn’t fake sick, like 99% in his position, we’ll never know. But he knew he was doing wrong - no question of that. He was not ignorant. In point of fact, he was well aware of guilt - and willingly went forward. That’s where motive kicks in to determine the level of guilt and punishment.

    If another worker had been inadvertently killed in the fire? He’d probably have faced at least negligent homicide. Many workers? More counts of same or much worse.

    What we’re describing need not concern the moral man. It’s what he doesn’t know, and fails to investigate, that may mean downfall. Noblesse oblige.
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  157. geokat62 says:

    Diogenes has just discovered an honest man. His name is Ilan Pappe, keynote speaker at this year’s The Israel Lobby and American Policy.

    Here’s just a snippet of his excellent speech:

    But I think more than anything else, I’m always surprised when I’m sort of re-listening to John Kerry’s last speech. If you remember, in a very dramatic voice he explained to us that without a two-state solution, the only possible scenario is an apartheid Israel. I wanted to say, hello, John. How are you? I’m looking up. The one-state apartheid is already there, so your warning is not about the future. You’re actually describing the present.

    Secondly, couldn’t you find one moment in your speech, maybe two sentences in your speech to say that actually having a democratic state for Jews and Palestinians between the River Jordan and the Mediterranean is not a doomsday scenario? Couldn’t you just say wouldn’t it be wonderful to have settlers and natives living as equal citizens in the same state? Why do you have to describe this as a doomsday scenario? The only people in the world who would describe this as a doomsday scenario are Zionists. Because they think that when the Jews are not the majority, the only possible thing Palestinians can do is to kill them.

    Well, I lived in Haifa all my life. I lived in the Galilee. I was in political outfits and academic outfits where the Jews were the minority and nothing bad happened to us. The idea that Palestine cannot be a political outfit if the Palestinians are the majority and the Jews are the minority is a racist idea that should be challenged strongly.

    http://israellobbyandamericanpolicy.org/Transcripts/Ilan_Pappe.html

    Hope you are enjoying your mutton, Sam.

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    Hey JS,

    Excellent find - keep sources like this coming - will try to read more by him. Very good stuff!

    Peace.
    , @RobinG
    "WASHINGTON'S LONG WAR ON SYRIA"

    "...a timely and indispensable resource..."
    ". .well-researched and highly readable ..."
    ".. clear portrait of the Syrian Arab Republic, and .. extensive [U.S.] efforts to bring it down.

    Stephen Gowans, will launch his authoritative new book, "Washington's Long War on Syria", in a number of Central Canadian cities over the next two months.

    OTTAWA: Wednesday April 5.
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    , @Sam Shama
    Ah, Diogenes you old cynic!

    I spot an old gambit.

    Well, what's good for Judah ought to be good for Diogenes too. Yes? If so, why was Diogenes concerned with the U.S./Canadian demographic thusly?


    The nation’s demographics are on a clear trajectory: White people are dying faster than they are being born, which means they are on target to become a minority in the United States in 30 years.

    http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/6/25/whites-on-target-to-become-a-us-minority.html
     

    Have your mutton and eat it too?

    Best

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  158. Seraphim says:
    @Svigor
    Incitatus:

    Think they’ll miss your rants and afford you illusory onanism?
     
    Shama:

    they’ll be on their way to an evening of solitary recreation, if not accompanied also, by an excess of onanism.
     
    What is it with Jews, and the frequent references to scatology, masturbation, etc? Yes, this means I've turned the corner, and think Incitatus is probably a Jew.

    Onanism is a Jewish invention! It is in their ‘Tanakh’. Onan was the son of Judah.
    Jewish obsession with excreta (especially feces) is well known, freely admitted by many Jews. It is, as their own Freud ‘discovered’ an arrestation in their “psychosexual development”at the “anal stage,” in which, around the age of two, pleasurable sensations become centered on the anus, and children become fascinated by their own feces. This is the stage of life where, according to Freud “anal personalities” could develop.
    Feces are the symbol of desecration. There are cases when shitting on sacred objects or smearing shit on them is accompanied by masturbation.

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    Must you always sing our praises so? Many thanks, of course, but it does get a bit awkward.

    Jewish contribution to Germany goes so much farther than science, music and the letters, you know.

    Have you read 'Life is Like a Chicken Coop Ladder'?
    https://www.amazon.com/Life-Like-Chicken-Coop-Ladder/dp/0814320384/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1490838923&sr=8-1&keywords=life+is+like+a+chicken+coop+ladder

    Dundes sets it out brilliantly. The German national character centred around 'schiesse', 'mist' 'dreck', 'arsch', 'dukatenscheisser' (money shitter - jews one presumes?). Give it a read, and expand your horizons beyond eschatology to include scatology .

    Why stop at folklore? take it from Amadeus, writing to his female cousin Maria Anna:

    lezt wünsch ich eine gute nacht/
    scheissen sie ins bett dass es kracht/
    schlafens gesund/
    reckens den arsch zum mund

    translated to:

    Well, I wish you good night
    But first shit in your bed and make it burst.
    Sleep soundly, my love
    Into your mouth your arse you'll shove

    And the seraphim shall sing with celestial light and purity.....
    , @Anon
    Keith says:

    "There are cases when shitting on sacred objects or smearing shit on them is
    accompanied with masturbation."

    At first I thought the Hasbara crowd again diverted us from the subject of " AIPAC is in town"


    After reviewing my postings, I realized I triggered this bullshit about shit unwittingly, when I
    talked about the Jewess, Irene Zisblat who told her story about eating diamonds and strategically
    swallowing and defecating them to hide them from the evil Germans while incarcerated at the Auschwitz concentration camp.

    At the time, I didn't think anyone actually believe this fastastic story. This is why I added it to bring attention to the Holohoax stories in the " Last Days of a big lie".

    How would I know I would trigger all of the UNZ 's Zionists to mentally revert to their anal stage and start masturbating.

    I apologize to all of the other non Jews, who had to listen to the Zionist's orgy of excreatment.

    At least we know their bullshit is coming out from them were nature intended, instead of their usually place... their mouths.


    Now... can we please get back to " The Jewish Trojan horse is in town".
    , @Incitatus
    What a wonderful explanation, Seraphim. Such deep scholarship. Well done! You’ve obviously done a lot of research on the subject. Lab sessions and massive amounts of homework? Let me guess - you’re a not a proctologist by any chance?

    I was going to encourage you avail yourself of Anon’s experience (he seems particularly well versed - practice makes perfect, as they say) but WAIT, this just in:

    "Luther's lavatory thrills experts"
    "Archaeologists in Germany say they may have found a lavatory where Martin Luther launched the Reformation of the Christian church in the 16th Century.
    The stone room is in a newly-unearthed annex to Luther's house in Wittenberg.
    Luther is quoted as saying he was "in cloaca", or in the sewer, when he was inspired to argue that salvation is granted because of faith, not deeds.
    The scholar suffered from constipation and spent many hours in contemplation on the toilet seat.”


    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3944549.stm

    Who could have known?

    Seraphim, you’re the expert. Think Martin’s ‘contemplation’ was only due to bowel blockage? Or does it mean way, way back he’s (whisper) part Jewish? No, no I’m sure that’s out of the question! Nicht in frage! Why, that’s as ridiculous as claiming Jesus was a Jew!

    Nonetheless, the discovery is a great relief to all of us. Sure, mysteries remain. Let Dr. Martin Treu tell it: “We still don't know what was used for wiping in those days.”

    Seraphim, they need your help. Don’t keep them in suspense. We’re all rooting for you!
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  159. bjondo says:

    Somehow Jews in North America, South America, elsewhere where the indigenes were/are treated badly do not consider themselves as part of those invaders. They refer to how natives were/are treated in the Americas as somehow they were not, are not part of the invasion, occupation.

    Of course they were,are just as jews are the alien invaders of Palestine.

    Somehow Jews in their slick discourses are separate from those invaders even though they were the dominant group in slavery, repression, theft.

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  160. Sam Shama says:
    @Incitatus
    Svigor, what a pleasure!

    Another unlinked post, but at least this time you mention authors. Many thanks!

    And, to be honest, don’t you feel better?

    One hopes for a touch of comedy each day - thanks for doing your best to provide it.

    “What is it with Jews, and the frequent references to scatology, masturbation, etc? Yes, this means I’ve turned the corner, and think Incitatus is probably a Jew.”

    One can plainly see you’ve looked up onanism. Did it seem familiar? Have a history with it that makes it seem natural? Like ranting in unlinked, un-attributed posts against others you’re still afraid to link to?

    Corners?” How many have you “turned”? Actually, I’m kind of afraid to ask that. I have this lurking feeling that, like the celebrated mouse in a maze, you turn a lot of corners. Makes me dizzy.

    Golly. What can one say?

    I’ll be candid (I’m that kind of guy, Svigor). I was trying my best not to say (American term here) you’re a jerk-off. Enough said, say no more. Never happened, all the best, etc.

    Keep ‘em coming (sorry for the pun).

    I am going to archive this one for the ages!

    Doubled over, sides splitting.

    HAHAHAHA

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  161. Makes ludicrous the accusations of treason against Trump for merely not wanting war with Russia, when many of the same are genuinely themselves shills for another foreign government.

    I first encountered Stephen Harper, long before his ascent to becoming Prime Minister of Canada, at the corporate astro-turf organization, National Citizens’ Coalition, loyal to corporate interests – which certainly didn’t neatly coincide with those of evangelical Christian causes. Stephen was always foremost a man with his eye on the Main Chance. Western Ukrainian immigrant support has always been a driver in Canadian “progressive conservative” politics, hence Canada’s pit bull virulence against Russia is a nod to domestic power politics, rather than the actions of the international neutral and fair player Canada pretends to be. It doesn’t help either that there’s a long disputed arctic border where both countries contend for globally warming natural resources.

    The Canadian versions of AIPAC have even more influence, in the absence of any Canadian First Amendment rights. Questioning the approved thinking can get you called before Human Rights Tribunes who have suborned human rights concerns in favor of corporate mandated political correctness.

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  162. Sam Shama says:
    @Seraphim
    Onanism is a Jewish invention! It is in their 'Tanakh'. Onan was the son of Judah.
    Jewish obsession with excreta (especially feces) is well known, freely admitted by many Jews. It is, as their own Freud 'discovered' an arrestation in their “psychosexual development”at the “anal stage,” in which, around the age of two, pleasurable sensations become centered on the anus, and children become fascinated by their own feces. This is the stage of life where, according to Freud “anal personalities” could develop.
    Feces are the symbol of desecration. There are cases when shitting on sacred objects or smearing shit on them is accompanied by masturbation.

    Must you always sing our praises so? Many thanks, of course, but it does get a bit awkward.

    Jewish contribution to Germany goes so much farther than science, music and the letters, you know.

    Have you read ‘Life is Like a Chicken Coop Ladder’?

    https://www.amazon.com/Life-Like-Chicken-Coop-Ladder/dp/0814320384/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1490838923&sr=8-1&keywords=life+is+like+a+chicken+coop+ladder

    Dundes sets it out brilliantly. The German national character centred around ‘schiesse’, ‘mist’ ‘dreck’, ‘arsch’, ‘dukatenscheisser’ (money shitter – jews one presumes?). Give it a read, and expand your horizons beyond eschatology to include scatology .

    Why stop at folklore? take it from Amadeus, writing to his female cousin Maria Anna:

    lezt wünsch ich eine gute nacht/
    scheissen sie ins bett dass es kracht/
    schlafens gesund/
    reckens den arsch zum mund

    translated to:

    Well, I wish you good night
    But first shit in your bed and make it burst.
    Sleep soundly, my love
    Into your mouth your arse you’ll shove

    And the seraphim shall sing with celestial light and purity…..

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    Jealous that someone may contest your pre-eminence in the subject?
    Don't worry, it was established by Gershon Legman before Alan Dundes.
    , @Incitatus
    Lieber Mozart! Keine besser! Gott segne ihn.
    Gut getan, Sam! Vielen Dank!
    , @jacques sheete

    take it from Amadeus, writing to his female cousin Maria Anna:
     
    Forgery. Blatant lie. Some say that was written as a post scriptum by Mozart's mother in a letter his father, Leo. In any case if it were true, it was meant as humor.

    However,

    Wenns arschle brummt ist Herzl gesund!

    Some here must have a heart as healthy as their imaginations!

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  163. bjondo says:
    @geokat62

    You must mean Canada...
     
    No doubt that tremendous wrongs have taken place in the past in most New World countries. But none of these indigenous peoples are currently enduring what the Palestinians are currently forced to endure, living under a brutal occupation. I am willing to condemn the crimes of the past, Sam. Are you willing to condemn the crimes of the present?

    And Sam should also condemn crimes of past along with crimes of present and crimes of tomorrow.

    Jews were participants of crimes in the past/present of all the Americas. Not just participants but dominant.

    Slick to point to Canada as if only non Jew involved.

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  164. Talha says:
    @geokat62
    Diogenes has just discovered an honest man. His name is Ilan Pappe, keynote speaker at this year's The Israel Lobby and American Policy.

    Here's just a snippet of his excellent speech:

    But I think more than anything else, I’m always surprised when I’m sort of re-listening to John Kerry’s last speech. If you remember, in a very dramatic voice he explained to us that without a two-state solution, the only possible scenario is an apartheid Israel. I wanted to say, hello, John. How are you? I’m looking up. The one-state apartheid is already there, so your warning is not about the future. You’re actually describing the present.

    Secondly, couldn’t you find one moment in your speech, maybe two sentences in your speech to say that actually having a democratic state for Jews and Palestinians between the River Jordan and the Mediterranean is not a doomsday scenario? Couldn’t you just say wouldn’t it be wonderful to have settlers and natives living as equal citizens in the same state? Why do you have to describe this as a doomsday scenario? The only people in the world who would describe this as a doomsday scenario are Zionists. Because they think that when the Jews are not the majority, the only possible thing Palestinians can do is to kill them.

    Well, I lived in Haifa all my life. I lived in the Galilee. I was in political outfits and academic outfits where the Jews were the minority and nothing bad happened to us. The idea that Palestine cannot be a political outfit if the Palestinians are the majority and the Jews are the minority is a racist idea that should be challenged strongly.

    http://israellobbyandamericanpolicy.org/Transcripts/Ilan_Pappe.html
     
    Hope you are enjoying your mutton, Sam.

    Hey JS,

    Excellent find – keep sources like this coming – will try to read more by him. Very good stuff!

    Peace.

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    Yo, Talha,

    That's not JS. It's Geo. And Pappe's book, The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine, was an immediate classic - which made him an immediate pariah.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buhpHTGAlTE
    The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine. By Ilan Pappe
    , @Chuck Orloski
    Hey Talha,

    Indeed, geokat consistently provides "good stuff."

    As you might have noticed, Jacques Sheete did too (comment # 157) which revealed the Zionist underground work of Henry Crown.

    During the 1-team L.B.J. presidency, General Dynamics rose to such power that the Johnson's "Best & Brightest" gave the corporation a huge contract to develop fighter aircraft despite their HIGHER bid offer! Par for the (deadly) fixed course?

    At any rate, I have tried here to "connect the dot," commodity exchange -- Marc Rich. Maybe you considered such matter?

    Also, "dots" are available to track precisely how Obama remarkably defeated opponent Hillary & rose to the presidency. The article below helps show the Way.

    http://ifamericaknew.org/us_ints/po-obamaj.html

    I'm off to work!

    Selah.
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  165. RobinG says:
    @Talha
    Hey JS,

    Excellent find - keep sources like this coming - will try to read more by him. Very good stuff!

    Peace.

    Yo, Talha,

    That’s not JS. It’s Geo. And Pappe’s book, The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine, was an immediate classic – which made him an immediate pariah.


    The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine. By Ilan Pappe

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    Hey RobinG,

    Doh! See, that's why posting comments should not be done late at night.

    Sorry Geo - and again, keep sources like that coming.

    Peace.
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  166. RobinG says:
    @geokat62
    Diogenes has just discovered an honest man. His name is Ilan Pappe, keynote speaker at this year's The Israel Lobby and American Policy.

    Here's just a snippet of his excellent speech:

    But I think more than anything else, I’m always surprised when I’m sort of re-listening to John Kerry’s last speech. If you remember, in a very dramatic voice he explained to us that without a two-state solution, the only possible scenario is an apartheid Israel. I wanted to say, hello, John. How are you? I’m looking up. The one-state apartheid is already there, so your warning is not about the future. You’re actually describing the present.

    Secondly, couldn’t you find one moment in your speech, maybe two sentences in your speech to say that actually having a democratic state for Jews and Palestinians between the River Jordan and the Mediterranean is not a doomsday scenario? Couldn’t you just say wouldn’t it be wonderful to have settlers and natives living as equal citizens in the same state? Why do you have to describe this as a doomsday scenario? The only people in the world who would describe this as a doomsday scenario are Zionists. Because they think that when the Jews are not the majority, the only possible thing Palestinians can do is to kill them.

    Well, I lived in Haifa all my life. I lived in the Galilee. I was in political outfits and academic outfits where the Jews were the minority and nothing bad happened to us. The idea that Palestine cannot be a political outfit if the Palestinians are the majority and the Jews are the minority is a racist idea that should be challenged strongly.

    http://israellobbyandamericanpolicy.org/Transcripts/Ilan_Pappe.html
     
    Hope you are enjoying your mutton, Sam.

    “WASHINGTON’S LONG WAR ON SYRIA”

    “…a timely and indispensable resource…”
    “. .well-researched and highly readable …”
    “.. clear portrait of the Syrian Arab Republic, and .. extensive [U.S.] efforts to bring it down.

    Stephen Gowans, will launch his authoritative new book, “Washington’s Long War on Syria”, in a number of Central Canadian cities over the next two months.

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    MISSISSAUGA: Sunday April 23
    TORONTO: Monday, April 24
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  167. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Seraphim
    Onanism is a Jewish invention! It is in their 'Tanakh'. Onan was the son of Judah.
    Jewish obsession with excreta (especially feces) is well known, freely admitted by many Jews. It is, as their own Freud 'discovered' an arrestation in their “psychosexual development”at the “anal stage,” in which, around the age of two, pleasurable sensations become centered on the anus, and children become fascinated by their own feces. This is the stage of life where, according to Freud “anal personalities” could develop.
    Feces are the symbol of desecration. There are cases when shitting on sacred objects or smearing shit on them is accompanied by masturbation.

    Keith says:

    “There are cases when shitting on sacred objects or smearing shit on them is
    accompanied with masturbation.”

    At first I thought the Hasbara crowd again diverted us from the subject of ” AIPAC is in town”

    After reviewing my postings, I realized I triggered this bullshit about shit unwittingly, when I
    talked about the Jewess, Irene Zisblat who told her story about eating diamonds and strategically
    swallowing and defecating them to hide them from the evil Germans while incarcerated at the Auschwitz concentration camp.

    At the time, I didn’t think anyone actually believe this fastastic story. This is why I added it to bring attention to the Holohoax stories in the ” Last Days of a big lie”.

    How would I know I would trigger all of the UNZ ‘s Zionists to mentally revert to their anal stage and start masturbating.

    I apologize to all of the other non Jews, who had to listen to the Zionist’s orgy of excreatment.

    At least we know their bullshit is coming out from them were nature intended, instead of their usually place… their mouths.

    Now… can we please get back to ” The Jewish Trojan horse is in town”.

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    In many languages 'eating shit' means 'to lie'. This perfectly illustrates what the "Diamond Girl" story is about (as the whole 'The Last Days' hoax).
    But that is not fake:

    "Man Smears Excrement on Church Door, Masturbates on Steps in Sacrilegious Act", by Leonardo Blair , Christian Post Reporter, Jan 1, 2014 :

    "A 19-year-old who allegedly violated a Bay City, Mich., church by repeatedly smearing feces on the church's door and masturbating on the steps of the building says he was forced to take his lewd behavior to church because there wasn't sufficient privacy in the apartment he shared with his mother and father.
    The Bay County Sheriff's Office identified the youth as Joshua A. Gorski from video evidence and an admission, according to a MLive report.
    The report explains that the sheriff's office first received a complaint in the summer of 2013 that someone was smearing feces on a door at New Hope Baptist Church, located along Midland Road in Bangor Township at night.
    A few months later, on Nov. 22, a property manager from the church turned over a feces-stained sock and a DVD with footage from a surveillance camera that was shot around 6 p.m. on Tuesday, Nov. 19.
    The footage shows a man riding up to the south door of the church on a bicycle who appears to squat near the door and defecate. The man is then shown covering his hand with a sock which he uses to pick up the excrement and plasters it all over the church's door and its handle.
    After doing that, the man is seen throwing away the sock and retrieving a magazine from his bicycle. He then sits on the steps at the door and appears to masturbate before taking off on the bicycle.
    After an investigation was conducted based on the evidence submitted, police say, Gorski confessed he was the culprit behind the sacrilege and apologized. He also confessed he had perpetrated the act four to five times in 2013.
    "He stated that he lives in an apartment with his mother and father and does not have enough privacy to do the things he wants," a deputy noted in court records.
    A warrant for Gorski's arrest was issued on Friday, Dec. 20. He was arraigned before Bay County District Judge Mark E. Janer on Monday, Dec. 23, arraigned on single counts of aggravated indecent exposure, a two-year high-court misdemeanor, and malicious destruction of a building less than $200, according to the report.
    He is expected to appear for a preliminary examination before Janer at 2 p.m. on Monday, Jan. 6. As of Monday, Dec. 30, 2013, he was in custody at the Bay County Jail.

    Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/news/man-smears-excrement-on-church-door-masturbates-on-steps-in-sacrilegious-act-111870/#5Yv2RhmFispdi6Lm.99

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  168. @jacques sheete

    For you (below) is a Haaretz article which describes how the-late-Marc Rich defied U.S. sanctions and did “business” with Ayatollah Khomeini.
     
    Here's another.

    Bollyn writes a lot of great stuff.



    Henry Crown became the largest shareholder of Texas-based General Dynamics when he merged his sand and gravel (and cement) company, Material Service Corp., with the nearly bankrupt defense contractor in 1959. Crown's new company was in dire straits financially until 1962 when it was rescued by a $7 billion contract to produce a new fighter jet for the military. This became known as the TFX/F-111 scandal. In 1963 General Dynamics came under congressional investigation to determine exactly how Henry Crown had finagled this huge Texas deal.

    http://www.bollyn.com/the-zionist-criminal-network/#article_14597

     

    Thanks, Jacques… had not read this one by C.B.

    He provides connective “dots” and all Americans should follow them.

    Awareness & exposure of evil is the only homeland security available to us right now!

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  169. Seraphim says:
    @Sam Shama
    Must you always sing our praises so? Many thanks, of course, but it does get a bit awkward.

    Jewish contribution to Germany goes so much farther than science, music and the letters, you know.

    Have you read 'Life is Like a Chicken Coop Ladder'?
    https://www.amazon.com/Life-Like-Chicken-Coop-Ladder/dp/0814320384/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1490838923&sr=8-1&keywords=life+is+like+a+chicken+coop+ladder

    Dundes sets it out brilliantly. The German national character centred around 'schiesse', 'mist' 'dreck', 'arsch', 'dukatenscheisser' (money shitter - jews one presumes?). Give it a read, and expand your horizons beyond eschatology to include scatology .

    Why stop at folklore? take it from Amadeus, writing to his female cousin Maria Anna:

    lezt wünsch ich eine gute nacht/
    scheissen sie ins bett dass es kracht/
    schlafens gesund/
    reckens den arsch zum mund

    translated to:

    Well, I wish you good night
    But first shit in your bed and make it burst.
    Sleep soundly, my love
    Into your mouth your arse you'll shove

    And the seraphim shall sing with celestial light and purity.....

    Jealous that someone may contest your pre-eminence in the subject?
    Don’t worry, it was established by Gershon Legman before Alan Dundes.

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    [Jealous that someone may contest your pre-eminence]
    Not a bit. Merely pointing out the principle of equitable accreditation.
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  170. @Talha
    Hey JS,

    Excellent find - keep sources like this coming - will try to read more by him. Very good stuff!

    Peace.

    Hey Talha,

    Indeed, geokat consistently provides “good stuff.”

    As you might have noticed, Jacques Sheete did too (comment # 157) which revealed the Zionist underground work of Henry Crown.

    During the 1-team L.B.J. presidency, General Dynamics rose to such power that the Johnson’s “Best & Brightest” gave the corporation a huge contract to develop fighter aircraft despite their HIGHER bid offer! Par for the (deadly) fixed course?

    At any rate, I have tried here to “connect the dot,” commodity exchange — Marc Rich. Maybe you considered such matter?

    Also, “dots” are available to track precisely how Obama remarkably defeated opponent Hillary & rose to the presidency. The article below helps show the Way.

    http://ifamericaknew.org/us_ints/po-obamaj.html

    I’m off to work!

    Selah.

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    Some further classic stuff that all 'Merkins should be aware of. The smirks on their mugs should be a major clue.

    Two minute article that offers a glimpse of the US mobsters who supported the criminal state of Israel in the beginning. The Aspen Institute vid is worth viewing too.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2013/07/was-it-jihad-when-henry-crown-smuggled-plane-parts-to-israel-and-when-jeffrey-goldberg-moved-there.html

     


    Was it ‘jihad’ when Henry Crown smuggled plane parts to Israel?

    Philip Weiss on July 29, 2013 27

     

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  171. geokat62 says:
    @RobinG
    "WASHINGTON'S LONG WAR ON SYRIA"

    "...a timely and indispensable resource..."
    ". .well-researched and highly readable ..."
    ".. clear portrait of the Syrian Arab Republic, and .. extensive [U.S.] efforts to bring it down.

    Stephen Gowans, will launch his authoritative new book, "Washington's Long War on Syria", in a number of Central Canadian cities over the next two months.

    OTTAWA: Wednesday April 5.
    MISSISSAUGA: Sunday April 23
    TORONTO: Monday, April 24
    HAMILTON: ??
    ST CATHARINES: ??
    TORONTO: Thursday, April 27
    MONTREAL: Tuesday, May 2

    Details: https://www.facebook.com/events/1774137262902073/

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  172. annamaria says:
    @jconsley
    Why are Americans denied the information necessary for citizens to be knowledgeable about AIPAC and its tactics? This has been going on since the sixties. Fulbright held hearings about U.S. tax dollars given to Israel and then laundered and returned as campaign contributions for Congress. Consequently, U.S. citizens are taxed so that Israelis have U.S. tax dollars to buy influence in the U.S. Congress. Moreover, there is something terribly wrong when Americans who disagree with "Israeli values" are never allowed or represented on the "news media" to voice dissent. Most American citizens do not share these Israeli values of: (1) not recognizing and abiding by International laws, (2) capturing territory and removing or forcing indigent citizens from their land and use of water/and resources, (3) enforcing apartheid laws in captured territory, (4) rejecting U.N. Resolutions and descriptions of war crimes and (5) refusal to declare borders for the State of Israel. What are the exact borders of Israel that U.S Senators and Representatives recognize to be defended? In agreeing that the U.S. will use its U.N. veto power at Israel's request and for its sole benefit rather than foremost for U.S. interests, such acquiescence actually subjugates 330 million U.S. citizens' interests and values to those of 6 million Israelis.

    “…such acquiescence actually subjugates 330 million U.S. citizens’ interests and values to those of 6 million Israelis.’
    See a metaphorical explanation of the US/Israel relationships (everything is done for the future of parasitoid’s young). “Beautiful wasp zombifies cockroach:”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHsSqsqJtZg

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  173. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62
    Diogenes has just discovered an honest man. His name is Ilan Pappe, keynote speaker at this year's The Israel Lobby and American Policy.

    Here's just a snippet of his excellent speech:

    But I think more than anything else, I’m always surprised when I’m sort of re-listening to John Kerry’s last speech. If you remember, in a very dramatic voice he explained to us that without a two-state solution, the only possible scenario is an apartheid Israel. I wanted to say, hello, John. How are you? I’m looking up. The one-state apartheid is already there, so your warning is not about the future. You’re actually describing the present.

    Secondly, couldn’t you find one moment in your speech, maybe two sentences in your speech to say that actually having a democratic state for Jews and Palestinians between the River Jordan and the Mediterranean is not a doomsday scenario? Couldn’t you just say wouldn’t it be wonderful to have settlers and natives living as equal citizens in the same state? Why do you have to describe this as a doomsday scenario? The only people in the world who would describe this as a doomsday scenario are Zionists. Because they think that when the Jews are not the majority, the only possible thing Palestinians can do is to kill them.

    Well, I lived in Haifa all my life. I lived in the Galilee. I was in political outfits and academic outfits where the Jews were the minority and nothing bad happened to us. The idea that Palestine cannot be a political outfit if the Palestinians are the majority and the Jews are the minority is a racist idea that should be challenged strongly.

    http://israellobbyandamericanpolicy.org/Transcripts/Ilan_Pappe.html
     
    Hope you are enjoying your mutton, Sam.

    Ah, Diogenes you old cynic!

    I spot an old gambit.

    Well, what’s good for Judah ought to be good for Diogenes too. Yes? If so, why was Diogenes concerned with the U.S./Canadian demographic thusly?

    The nation’s demographics are on a clear trajectory: White people are dying faster than they are being born, which means they are on target to become a minority in the United States in 30 years.

    http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/6/25/whites-on-target-to-become-a-us-minority.html

    Have your mutton and eat it too?

    Best

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    Sam The Sham: "I spot an old gambit."

    Hey Sham,

    However much you avoid staying on P. Giraldi's article topics, did you "spot" the gambit (linked below) where President Trump's Ambassador to the U.N. sacrificed honorable diplomacy for Israel's advantage?

    ttp://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.779876

    Ha-ha! Also, here's Sam The Sham to geokat, in classic Attention Deflection Form: "Why was Diogenes concerned with the U.S./Canadian demographic thusly?" Ha-ha! How far off topic is Shammy willing to go?

    (Sigh) n one of Hunter S. Thomson's letters, he mockingly wrote about a foul U.S. Congressman. H.S.T. commented: "He's so crooked that he must screw his pants on in the morning."

    Ambassador Nikki must have to do similar with her skirts, using perhaps a heavy duty staple gun?

    Heil Haley! Ha-ha.

    (sigh) Selah.
    , @geokat62

    Well, what’s good for Judah ought to be good for Diogenes too. Yes?
     
    If it were not for the brutal occupation of over 4 million human beings, Yes.

    In the inimitable words of Slick Willie: "it's the occupation, stupid."

    You remember the occupation, don't you, Sam? Why, it once prompted in to utter these solemn words:


    I do not support any longer what passes for Zionism, nor am I willing to pine for what it used to be. It is an immoral cause.
     
    Ilan Pappe couldn't have said it any better, himself.
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  174. @Svigor
    Incitatus:

    Think they’ll miss your rants and afford you illusory onanism?
     
    Shama:

    they’ll be on their way to an evening of solitary recreation, if not accompanied also, by an excess of onanism.
     
    What is it with Jews, and the frequent references to scatology, masturbation, etc? Yes, this means I've turned the corner, and think Incitatus is probably a Jew.

    …and the frequent references to scatology, masturbation…

    It goes far beyond mere references.

    The hoods used on prisoners by the US and Israel have apparently been contaminated with various forms of filth ( use your imagination), and there’re the “skunk trucks” that spray Palestinian homes with sewage and then there’s this, which probably is NOT an isolated incident.

    “WASHINGTON — “I’m not spreading propaganda,” George Stephanopoulos’ orthodox-nun sister vows, but Israeli soldiers last week “defecated” on the floors of a West Bank medical clinic they raided.
    They’re also looting Palestinians’ homes there, claims Sister Maria Stephanopoulos, a nun at the Convent of St. Mary Magdalene in Jerusalem.”

    http://www.wnd.com/2002/04/13678/

    Someone Even Managed to Defecate Into the Photocopier
    The IDF soldiers who moved into West Bank cities left behind destruction and degradation, Amira Hass reports.

    http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/features/someone-even-managed-to-defecate-into-the-photocopier-1.46032

    ABUSIVE ACT BETWEEN IDF SOLDIERS CAUGHT ON TAPE
    IDF COMMANDER ORDERS AN IMMEDIATE INQUIRY AFTER VIDEO SURFACES SHOWING ONE GOLANI SOLDIER DEFECATING ONTO ANOTHER, BELIEVED TO BE THE RESULT OF A LOST BET.
    BY GILI COHEN | MAY 3, 2013 | 1:23 PM | 7

    http://WWW.HAARETZ.COM/NEWS/DIPLOMACY-DEFENSE/ABUSIVE-ACT-BETWEEN-IDF-SOLDIERS-CAUGHT-ON-TAPE.PREMIUM-1.519073

    We’re obviously dealing with some really sick psychopathy here, dudes and dudettes!

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    OTOH, do not underestimate the political power of shit, which "performance artist" Natali Cohen Vaxberg exploited to great effect.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RJyRv5SzMU
    a video in response to the shit-on-a-flag and the arrest סרטון התגובה למעצר (פרשת הקקי)

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/police-to-indict-artist-for-defecating-on-israeli-flag/
    Activist to be indicted for defecating on Israeli flag

    http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/2d852761db/shit-instead-of-blood
    Shit instead of blood
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  175. Sam Shama says:
    @Seraphim
    Jealous that someone may contest your pre-eminence in the subject?
    Don't worry, it was established by Gershon Legman before Alan Dundes.

    [Jealous that someone may contest your pre-eminence]
    Not a bit. Merely pointing out the principle of equitable accreditation.

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  176. @Chuck Orloski
    Hey Talha,

    Indeed, geokat consistently provides "good stuff."

    As you might have noticed, Jacques Sheete did too (comment # 157) which revealed the Zionist underground work of Henry Crown.

    During the 1-team L.B.J. presidency, General Dynamics rose to such power that the Johnson's "Best & Brightest" gave the corporation a huge contract to develop fighter aircraft despite their HIGHER bid offer! Par for the (deadly) fixed course?

    At any rate, I have tried here to "connect the dot," commodity exchange -- Marc Rich. Maybe you considered such matter?

    Also, "dots" are available to track precisely how Obama remarkably defeated opponent Hillary & rose to the presidency. The article below helps show the Way.

    http://ifamericaknew.org/us_ints/po-obamaj.html

    I'm off to work!

    Selah.

    Some further classic stuff that all ‘Merkins should be aware of. The smirks on their mugs should be a major clue.

    Two minute article that offers a glimpse of the US mobsters who supported the criminal state of Israel in the beginning. The Aspen Institute vid is worth viewing too.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2013/07/was-it-jihad-when-henry-crown-smuggled-plane-parts-to-israel-and-when-jeffrey-goldberg-moved-there.html

    Was it ‘jihad’ when Henry Crown smuggled plane parts to Israel?

    Philip Weiss on July 29, 2013 27

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    Hey Jacques,

    "... U.S. mobsters who supported the criminal state of Israel."

    Thanks for supplying the article on Crown's weapons smuggling trade with Israel!

    Re: the quotation on top:
    As a younger man, I fell into being mesmerized by Italian mafia badass characters. Time passed & the charm "wore off" when notable Italian crime families got involved with the Jewish (Florida-based) mobster, Meyer Lansky.

    As a veteran follower of Atty. Garrison's great JFK murder investigation, I now stand down from watching A.M.C. (TV) reruns of "The Godfather." Jacques : Do you remember the ominous front-company "Permindex" that is discussed in O. Stone's film "JFK"?

    I regret that I do not have a source for "linkage," but I have read that Al Capone's Chicago mob relied upon good whisky (for Prohibition era profitable peddling) from the Jewish-Canadian tycoon, Bronfman.

    Perhaps "Canuck" geokat62 knows more on the Bronfman family business-history? I'm not "boundary"referee here, but it's measurably less "off topic" than where Sam The Sham tempts him to go.

    Thank you... must prep for p.m. school bus pickups!
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  177. It seems to me that Germans also suffered similar experiences as this, but for some reason, we really never hear about it.

    Palestinian American teacher brutally attacked by Jewish Defense League outside AIPAC conference

    Allison Deger on March 29, 2017 17 Commen

    A 55-year old Palestinian-American instructor at a community college in North Carolina was “brutally beaten” by members of the Jewish Defense League (JDL) while walking by the AIPAC conference in Washington DC on Sunday, according to a video and statement …

    http://mondoweiss.net/2017/03/palestinian-american-conference/

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  178. Talha says:
    @RobinG
    Yo, Talha,

    That's not JS. It's Geo. And Pappe's book, The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine, was an immediate classic - which made him an immediate pariah.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buhpHTGAlTE
    The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine. By Ilan Pappe

    Hey RobinG,

    Doh! See, that’s why posting comments should not be done late at night.

    Sorry Geo – and again, keep sources like that coming.

    Peace.

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  179. @Sam Shama
    Ah, Diogenes you old cynic!

    I spot an old gambit.

    Well, what's good for Judah ought to be good for Diogenes too. Yes? If so, why was Diogenes concerned with the U.S./Canadian demographic thusly?


    The nation’s demographics are on a clear trajectory: White people are dying faster than they are being born, which means they are on target to become a minority in the United States in 30 years.

    http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/6/25/whites-on-target-to-become-a-us-minority.html
     

    Have your mutton and eat it too?

    Best

    Sam The Sham: “I spot an old gambit.”

    Hey Sham,

    However much you avoid staying on P. Giraldi’s article topics, did you “spot” the gambit (linked below) where President Trump’s Ambassador to the U.N. sacrificed honorable diplomacy for Israel’s advantage?

    ttp://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.779876

    Ha-ha! Also, here’s Sam The Sham to geokat, in classic Attention Deflection Form: “Why was Diogenes concerned with the U.S./Canadian demographic thusly?” Ha-ha! How far off topic is Shammy willing to go?

    (Sigh) n one of Hunter S. Thomson’s letters, he mockingly wrote about a foul U.S. Congressman. H.S.T. commented: “He’s so crooked that he must screw his pants on in the morning.”

    Ambassador Nikki must have to do similar with her skirts, using perhaps a heavy duty staple gun?

    Heil Haley! Ha-ha.

    (sigh) Selah.

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  180. MarkinLA says:

    I just had the misfortune to see CNN while at breakfast and saw that the Senate Intelligence Committee is going to bring in “experts” on Russian disinformation and how they manipulate elections around the world, including an army of “trolls”.

    Obviously, this is not a committee interested in the truth of what happened but one who’s goal it is to cement in the public’s mind that Russia is attacking us. Anybody posting anything good to say about Russia or critical of the US will be deemed a Russian troll whether you are Russian or not or whether it has anything to do with the election or not.

    The sad fact is that most Americans will not be able to see through this charade as the media will relentlessly hype this drivel as an important fact. Even if true that there are Russian trolls, it begs the same question that one had of the Podesta e-mails, why should I care how I got the information if it turns out to be true?

    Yet our government does nothing about the well known Hasbara trolls trying to push our foreign policy the way Israel wants it.

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    It's not irony, Mark. This is gloating. The part I listened to included claims that Russians are using the alternative media to flood the U.S. with pro-Russian propaganda, as if alternative is worse than mainstream and Russian is worse than Israeli/Jewish.
    , @Chuck Orloski
    "... most Americans will not be able to see through this charade."

    Terrific post, MarkinLA!

    Below, one matter that troubles me a lot, & I can not yet get to a viable answer?

    The people who sit on the Senate Intelligence Committees are definitely influenced by AIPAC. To start, can we agree on this?

    Secondly, U.S. Senators, especially the ones who get to serve on "intelligence committees," are well educated, articulate... but I must stop at calling them smart & wise statesmen. Agreed?

    What annoys me most is HOW they manage to get excited about all the "drivel;" for example, their current passion for determining Russia's manipulation of the P.O.T.U.S.

    Tentative to one's capacity for a complete loss of moral integrity, financial compensation, & other perquisite rewards, I conclude that a Congressman can readily go from being a bright & honorable American, i.e., Cynthia McKinney, to Israeli b.s. salesman, Senator Lindsey Graham, in < a heart beat.

    Very frankly, I'd have to be strongly coerced (& doing L.S.D.) in order for me to perform that "bad Hasbara trip" on which the U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee now takes its citizens on.

    How do they so energetically do it?

    Thank you, LAMarkin! Gotta run.
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  181. @Sam Shama

    he was a soldier and ended up capturing an Israeli soldier in the conflict. He treated the man so well (he wanted to exemplify the best of the Prophetic tradition) that they became friends even after the prisoner swaps and kept in touch with each other across the borders well into old age.
     
    This is a story I can easily relate to, Talha. As you know from our previous exchanges, I am fortunate to have a great many Israeli Arab friends; most of them are outstanding horsemen and we've kept the tradition of spending many summer days together with our equine companions. If you talk to my friends, you'll understand how we feel about each other........I'll ignore the vitriol from people who get their rage from a steady diet of internet stories alone.

    … and we’ve kept the tradition of spending many summer days together with our equine companions.

    Which one is you?

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    Hey Jacques,

    So funny... such is the stuff S.N.L. would do were they allowed!

    Sam the Sham and his Arab-Israeli posse will be pissed! Too bad.

    Cheers & thanks, I am off to work.
    , @Sam Shama
    Cavalry charge Satmars? I think not. I'd just talk to them.
    , @Sam Shama
    btw love that black Friesian steed! Thx for sharing the video
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  182. @jacques sheete
    Some further classic stuff that all 'Merkins should be aware of. The smirks on their mugs should be a major clue.

    Two minute article that offers a glimpse of the US mobsters who supported the criminal state of Israel in the beginning. The Aspen Institute vid is worth viewing too.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2013/07/was-it-jihad-when-henry-crown-smuggled-plane-parts-to-israel-and-when-jeffrey-goldberg-moved-there.html

     


    Was it ‘jihad’ when Henry Crown smuggled plane parts to Israel?

    Philip Weiss on July 29, 2013 27

     

    Hey Jacques,

    “… U.S. mobsters who supported the criminal state of Israel.”

    Thanks for supplying the article on Crown’s weapons smuggling trade with Israel!

    Re: the quotation on top:
    As a younger man, I fell into being mesmerized by Italian mafia badass characters. Time passed & the charm “wore off” when notable Italian crime families got involved with the Jewish (Florida-based) mobster, Meyer Lansky.

    As a veteran follower of Atty. Garrison’s great JFK murder investigation, I now stand down from watching A.M.C. (TV) reruns of “The Godfather.” Jacques : Do you remember the ominous front-company “Permindex” that is discussed in O. Stone’s film “JFK”?

    I regret that I do not have a source for “linkage,” but I have read that Al Capone’s Chicago mob relied upon good whisky (for Prohibition era profitable peddling) from the Jewish-Canadian tycoon, Bronfman.

    Perhaps “Canuck” geokat62 knows more on the Bronfman family business-history? I’m not “boundary”referee here, but it’s measurably less “off topic” than where Sam The Sham tempts him to go.

    Thank you… must prep for p.m. school bus pickups!

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  183. @MarkinLA
    I just had the misfortune to see CNN while at breakfast and saw that the Senate Intelligence Committee is going to bring in "experts" on Russian disinformation and how they manipulate elections around the world, including an army of "trolls".

    Obviously, this is not a committee interested in the truth of what happened but one who's goal it is to cement in the public's mind that Russia is attacking us. Anybody posting anything good to say about Russia or critical of the US will be deemed a Russian troll whether you are Russian or not or whether it has anything to do with the election or not.

    The sad fact is that most Americans will not be able to see through this charade as the media will relentlessly hype this drivel as an important fact. Even if true that there are Russian trolls, it begs the same question that one had of the Podesta e-mails, why should I care how I got the information if it turns out to be true?

    Yet our government does nothing about the well known Hasbara trolls trying to push our foreign policy the way Israel wants it.

    It’s not irony, Mark. This is gloating. The part I listened to included claims that Russians are using the alternative media to flood the U.S. with pro-Russian propaganda, as if alternative is worse than mainstream and Russian is worse than Israeli/Jewish.

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  184. @MarkinLA
    I just had the misfortune to see CNN while at breakfast and saw that the Senate Intelligence Committee is going to bring in "experts" on Russian disinformation and how they manipulate elections around the world, including an army of "trolls".

    Obviously, this is not a committee interested in the truth of what happened but one who's goal it is to cement in the public's mind that Russia is attacking us. Anybody posting anything good to say about Russia or critical of the US will be deemed a Russian troll whether you are Russian or not or whether it has anything to do with the election or not.

    The sad fact is that most Americans will not be able to see through this charade as the media will relentlessly hype this drivel as an important fact. Even if true that there are Russian trolls, it begs the same question that one had of the Podesta e-mails, why should I care how I got the information if it turns out to be true?

    Yet our government does nothing about the well known Hasbara trolls trying to push our foreign policy the way Israel wants it.

    “… most Americans will not be able to see through this charade.”

    Terrific post, MarkinLA!

    Below, one matter that troubles me a lot, & I can not yet get to a viable answer?

    The people who sit on the Senate Intelligence Committees are definitely influenced by AIPAC. To start, can we agree on this?

    Secondly, U.S. Senators, especially the ones who get to serve on “intelligence committees,” are well educated, articulate… but I must stop at calling them smart & wise statesmen. Agreed?

    What annoys me most is HOW they manage to get excited about all the “drivel;” for example, their current passion for determining Russia’s manipulation of the P.O.T.U.S.

    Tentative to one’s capacity for a complete loss of moral integrity, financial compensation, & other perquisite rewards, I conclude that a Congressman can readily go from being a bright & honorable American, i.e., Cynthia McKinney, to Israeli b.s. salesman, Senator Lindsey Graham, in < a heart beat.

    Very frankly, I'd have to be strongly coerced (& doing L.S.D.) in order for me to perform that "bad Hasbara trip" on which the U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee now takes its citizens on.

    How do they so energetically do it?

    Thank you, LAMarkin! Gotta run.

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    I think a lot of what is going on in the Senate is that McCain and Graham think with their thin majority that if they can weaken Trump these two will gain in importance - almost to the point of being the co-Presidents.

    McCain may also be delusional and resentful in that he can't believe Trump won and he didn't - even though anybody with some brains could see that a strong borders, anti free-trade, get us out of foreign misadventures policy was a winner with most Americans (something 180 degrees away from McCain).
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  185. @jacques sheete

    … and we’ve kept the tradition of spending many summer days together with our equine companions.
     
    Which one is you?


    https://youtu.be/b_BPDIXXYmk?t=760

    Hey Jacques,

    So funny… such is the stuff S.N.L. would do were they allowed!

    Sam the Sham and his Arab-Israeli posse will be pissed! Too bad.

    Cheers & thanks, I am off to work.

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    You've been in "gotta run to work" mode for the past hour, judging by the last three posts, Woody!
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  186. MarkinLA says:
    @Chuck Orloski
    "... most Americans will not be able to see through this charade."

    Terrific post, MarkinLA!

    Below, one matter that troubles me a lot, & I can not yet get to a viable answer?

    The people who sit on the Senate Intelligence Committees are definitely influenced by AIPAC. To start, can we agree on this?

    Secondly, U.S. Senators, especially the ones who get to serve on "intelligence committees," are well educated, articulate... but I must stop at calling them smart & wise statesmen. Agreed?

    What annoys me most is HOW they manage to get excited about all the "drivel;" for example, their current passion for determining Russia's manipulation of the P.O.T.U.S.

    Tentative to one's capacity for a complete loss of moral integrity, financial compensation, & other perquisite rewards, I conclude that a Congressman can readily go from being a bright & honorable American, i.e., Cynthia McKinney, to Israeli b.s. salesman, Senator Lindsey Graham, in < a heart beat.

    Very frankly, I'd have to be strongly coerced (& doing L.S.D.) in order for me to perform that "bad Hasbara trip" on which the U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee now takes its citizens on.

    How do they so energetically do it?

    Thank you, LAMarkin! Gotta run.

    I think a lot of what is going on in the Senate is that McCain and Graham think with their thin majority that if they can weaken Trump these two will gain in importance – almost to the point of being the co-Presidents.

    McCain may also be delusional and resentful in that he can’t believe Trump won and he didn’t – even though anybody with some brains could see that a strong borders, anti free-trade, get us out of foreign misadventures policy was a winner with most Americans (something 180 degrees away from McCain).

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  187. Sam Shama says:
    @jacques sheete

    … and we’ve kept the tradition of spending many summer days together with our equine companions.
     
    Which one is you?


    https://youtu.be/b_BPDIXXYmk?t=760

    Cavalry charge Satmars? I think not. I’d just talk to them.

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  188. Sam Shama says:
    @Chuck Orloski
    Hey Jacques,

    So funny... such is the stuff S.N.L. would do were they allowed!

    Sam the Sham and his Arab-Israeli posse will be pissed! Too bad.

    Cheers & thanks, I am off to work.

    You’ve been in “gotta run to work” mode for the past hour, judging by the last three posts, Woody!

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  189. Sam Shama says:
    @jacques sheete

    … and we’ve kept the tradition of spending many summer days together with our equine companions.
     
    Which one is you?


    https://youtu.be/b_BPDIXXYmk?t=760

    btw love that black Friesian steed! Thx for sharing the video

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    btw love that black Friesian steed!
     
    Yup, them's some beautiful animals. I'm partial to Belgians, however.

    Anyway does it torque you as much as it does me to see such beautiful animals being used in the service of real anti-Semites?

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  190. RobinG says:
    @jacques sheete

    ...and the frequent references to scatology, masturbation...
     
    It goes far beyond mere references.

    The hoods used on prisoners by the US and Israel have apparently been contaminated with various forms of filth ( use your imagination), and there're the "skunk trucks" that spray Palestinian homes with sewage and then there's this, which probably is NOT an isolated incident.


    “WASHINGTON — “I’m not spreading propaganda,” George Stephanopoulos’ orthodox-nun sister vows, but Israeli soldiers last week “defecated” on the floors of a West Bank medical clinic they raided.
    They’re also looting Palestinians’ homes there, claims Sister Maria Stephanopoulos, a nun at the Convent of St. Mary Magdalene in Jerusalem.”

    www.wnd.com/2002/04/13678/
     


    Someone Even Managed to Defecate Into the Photocopier
    The IDF soldiers who moved into West Bank cities left behind destruction and degradation, Amira Hass reports.

    http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/features/someone-even-managed-to-defecate-into-the-photocopier-1.46032
     


    ABUSIVE ACT BETWEEN IDF SOLDIERS CAUGHT ON TAPE
    IDF COMMANDER ORDERS AN IMMEDIATE INQUIRY AFTER VIDEO SURFACES SHOWING ONE GOLANI SOLDIER DEFECATING ONTO ANOTHER, BELIEVED TO BE THE RESULT OF A LOST BET.
    BY GILI COHEN | MAY 3, 2013 | 1:23 PM | 7

    HTTP://WWW.HAARETZ.COM/NEWS/DIPLOMACY-DEFENSE/ABUSIVE-ACT-BETWEEN-IDF-SOLDIERS-CAUGHT-ON-TAPE.PREMIUM-1.519073
     

    We're obviously dealing with some really sick psychopathy here, dudes and dudettes!

    OTOH, do not underestimate the political power of shit, which “performance artist” Natali Cohen Vaxberg exploited to great effect.


    a video in response to the shit-on-a-flag and the arrest סרטון התגובה למעצר (פרשת הקקי)

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/police-to-indict-artist-for-defecating-on-israeli-flag/

    Activist to be indicted for defecating on Israeli flag

    Shit instead of blood

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  191. Incitatus says:
    @Seraphim
    Onanism is a Jewish invention! It is in their 'Tanakh'. Onan was the son of Judah.
    Jewish obsession with excreta (especially feces) is well known, freely admitted by many Jews. It is, as their own Freud 'discovered' an arrestation in their “psychosexual development”at the “anal stage,” in which, around the age of two, pleasurable sensations become centered on the anus, and children become fascinated by their own feces. This is the stage of life where, according to Freud “anal personalities” could develop.
    Feces are the symbol of desecration. There are cases when shitting on sacred objects or smearing shit on them is accompanied by masturbation.

    What a wonderful explanation, Seraphim. Such deep scholarship. Well done! You’ve obviously done a lot of research on the subject. Lab sessions and massive amounts of homework? Let me guess – you’re a not a proctologist by any chance?

    I was going to encourage you avail yourself of Anon’s experience (he seems particularly well versed – practice makes perfect, as they say) but WAIT, this just in:

    “Luther’s lavatory thrills experts”
    “Archaeologists in Germany say they may have found a lavatory where Martin Luther launched the Reformation of the Christian church in the 16th Century.
    The stone room is in a newly-unearthed annex to Luther’s house in Wittenberg.
    Luther is quoted as saying he was “in cloaca”, or in the sewer, when he was inspired to argue that salvation is granted because of faith, not deeds.
    The scholar suffered from constipation and spent many hours in contemplation on the toilet seat.”

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3944549.stm

    Who could have known?

    Seraphim, you’re the expert. Think Martin’s ‘contemplation’ was only due to bowel blockage? Or does it mean way, way back he’s (whisper) part Jewish? No, no I’m sure that’s out of the question! Nicht in frage! Why, that’s as ridiculous as claiming Jesus was a Jew!

    Nonetheless, the discovery is a great relief to all of us. Sure, mysteries remain. Let Dr. Martin Treu tell it: “We still don’t know what was used for wiping in those days.”

    Seraphim, they need your help. Don’t keep them in suspense. We’re all rooting for you!

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    I am really thrilled by your words of appreciation! Of course, one must do a lot of research before talking about any subject.
    To be true, I had written about the mystery of Luther's wiping in response to Anon's post. I was raising the question whether he wrote his theses on the paper he wiped himself with before or after his relieving revelation. But for mysterious reasons my post did not get through.
    Of course it is worth continuing digging, you may find diamonds (like that lady survivor, the 'Diamond Girl' made famous by Spielberg's fictitious documentary "The Last Days" - btw, YouTube deleted the video of her 'testimony')!
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  192. Incitatus says:
    @iffen

    “A person who does evil by reason of ignorance is less culpable than a person who, knowing evil, does so anyway?”

    I don’t believe that. Ignorance isn’t an excuse, any more than ‘following orders’ was at Nüremberg. Each of us is responsible for our action. Each must be tireless in determining the morality of our action moment to moment.

     
    Motive means a lot, if not everything.

    I see a serious contradiction here, help me out.

    “Motive means a lot, if not everything.”

    “I see a serious contradiction here, help me out.”

    You shouldn’t.

    “Ignorance isn’t an excuse”

    The arsonist wasn’t ignorant. He wanted to go home early. Why he didn’t fake sick, like 99% in his position, we’ll never know. But he knew he was doing wrong – no question of that. He was not ignorant. In point of fact, he was well aware of guilt – and willingly went forward. That’s where motive kicks in to determine the level of guilt and punishment.

    If another worker had been inadvertently killed in the fire? He’d probably have faced at least negligent homicide. Many workers? More counts of same or much worse.

    What we’re describing need not concern the moral man. It’s what he doesn’t know, and fails to investigate, that may mean downfall. Noblesse oblige.

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  193. Incitatus says:
    @Sam Shama
    Must you always sing our praises so? Many thanks, of course, but it does get a bit awkward.

    Jewish contribution to Germany goes so much farther than science, music and the letters, you know.

    Have you read 'Life is Like a Chicken Coop Ladder'?
    https://www.amazon.com/Life-Like-Chicken-Coop-Ladder/dp/0814320384/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1490838923&sr=8-1&keywords=life+is+like+a+chicken+coop+ladder

    Dundes sets it out brilliantly. The German national character centred around 'schiesse', 'mist' 'dreck', 'arsch', 'dukatenscheisser' (money shitter - jews one presumes?). Give it a read, and expand your horizons beyond eschatology to include scatology .

    Why stop at folklore? take it from Amadeus, writing to his female cousin Maria Anna:

    lezt wünsch ich eine gute nacht/
    scheissen sie ins bett dass es kracht/
    schlafens gesund/
    reckens den arsch zum mund

    translated to:

    Well, I wish you good night
    But first shit in your bed and make it burst.
    Sleep soundly, my love
    Into your mouth your arse you'll shove

    And the seraphim shall sing with celestial light and purity.....

    Lieber Mozart! Keine besser! Gott segne ihn.
    Gut getan, Sam! Vielen Dank!

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    Ich versuche. Vielen Dank an dich, Incitatus.
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  194. @Sam Shama
    btw love that black Friesian steed! Thx for sharing the video

    btw love that black Friesian steed!

    Yup, them’s some beautiful animals. I’m partial to Belgians, however.

    Anyway does it torque you as much as it does me to see such beautiful animals being used in the service of real anti-Semites?

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    Preference for the draught breeds...... are you heavy boys?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V53g8B7Ljqg
    Melancholia - The Red Star Is Missing
    , @Sam Shama
    I say, JS, a fellow horseman?!! And Robin too by the sound of it.

    To answer your question, no; I don't particularly like horses lathered up to charge crowds, for they do it compelled by the fear instinct controlled by the rider.

    I prefer and know exactly when they gallop out of sheer love of speed.

    Robin, I am not as partial to the warmbloods as I am to Arabians and Thoroughbreds, although Belgians make superb jumpers and Friesians are gorgeous. Thanks for sharing the video.
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  195. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama
    Ah, Diogenes you old cynic!

    I spot an old gambit.

    Well, what's good for Judah ought to be good for Diogenes too. Yes? If so, why was Diogenes concerned with the U.S./Canadian demographic thusly?


    The nation’s demographics are on a clear trajectory: White people are dying faster than they are being born, which means they are on target to become a minority in the United States in 30 years.

    http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/6/25/whites-on-target-to-become-a-us-minority.html
     

    Have your mutton and eat it too?

    Best

    Well, what’s good for Judah ought to be good for Diogenes too. Yes?

    If it were not for the brutal occupation of over 4 million human beings, Yes.

    In the inimitable words of Slick Willie: “it’s the occupation, stupid.”

    You remember the occupation, don’t you, Sam? Why, it once prompted in to utter these solemn words:

    I do not support any longer what passes for Zionism, nor am I willing to pine for what it used to be. It is an immoral cause.

    Ilan Pappe couldn’t have said it any better, himself.

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    Why do you go on with this tedious nonsense?

    He doesn't support the mistreatment of the Palestinians in Israel or Gaza; it is very clear that it troubles him.

    What do you want? Do you want him to renounce the existence of Israel?

    Not likely to happen.

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  196. RobinG says:
    @jacques sheete

    btw love that black Friesian steed!
     
    Yup, them's some beautiful animals. I'm partial to Belgians, however.

    Anyway does it torque you as much as it does me to see such beautiful animals being used in the service of real anti-Semites?

    Preference for the draught breeds…… are you heavy boys?


    Melancholia – The Red Star Is Missing

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  197. @Sam Shama
    Must you always sing our praises so? Many thanks, of course, but it does get a bit awkward.

    Jewish contribution to Germany goes so much farther than science, music and the letters, you know.

    Have you read 'Life is Like a Chicken Coop Ladder'?
    https://www.amazon.com/Life-Like-Chicken-Coop-Ladder/dp/0814320384/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1490838923&sr=8-1&keywords=life+is+like+a+chicken+coop+ladder

    Dundes sets it out brilliantly. The German national character centred around 'schiesse', 'mist' 'dreck', 'arsch', 'dukatenscheisser' (money shitter - jews one presumes?). Give it a read, and expand your horizons beyond eschatology to include scatology .

    Why stop at folklore? take it from Amadeus, writing to his female cousin Maria Anna:

    lezt wünsch ich eine gute nacht/
    scheissen sie ins bett dass es kracht/
    schlafens gesund/
    reckens den arsch zum mund

    translated to:

    Well, I wish you good night
    But first shit in your bed and make it burst.
    Sleep soundly, my love
    Into your mouth your arse you'll shove

    And the seraphim shall sing with celestial light and purity.....

    take it from Amadeus, writing to his female cousin Maria Anna:

    Forgery. Blatant lie. Some say that was written as a post scriptum by Mozart’s mother in a letter his father, Leo. In any case if it were true, it was meant as humor.

    However,

    Wenns arschle brummt ist Herzl gesund!

    Some here must have a heart as healthy as their imaginations!

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    Well, possibly. All these intrigues - charges of forgery, musical plagiarism were rife those days. Adds to the romanticist's pleasure no doubt.

    Still, lieber Amadeus (who doesn't like him?) did occupy himself with the Arsch quite a bit:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0doaB5T9kzQ

    Leck mir den Arsch fein recht schön sauber.....Tom Hulce speaking those words in *Amadeus* with that impish laugh sticks in my memory!

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  198. Incitatus says:
    @Sam Shama

    Other Arab nations negotiating for Palestinians? Wouldn’t bet on it. Likud alliance with KSA? May not work out well. My opinion.
     
    Your opinion carries weight. I say this proposal has merit for a set of reasons not based on an appeal to Arab or Muslim solidarity. More, that the time to read the riot act has arrived for both Israel and the PA. Better parties to play the role of enforcer than the financial patrons?

    Palestinians’ biggest mistake? Allowing the PLO to cheer Saddam post Desert Storm. Many talented professionals I knew with in the Gulf were expelled stateless and unemployed. A great loss.
     
    Agreed. This is a little-known point of recent history which does not find much currency in these echo chambers. Really, the Palestinians are the least preferred ethnics in the Gulf. Even amongst the Israeli Arabs, a Pal fatigue has set in...

    If there’s an answer, it’s between Israel and the Palestinians. Hard choices need to made by both. Does Israel want to expel Pals on camera as the world watches? Citing historic abuse (justified) while depriving fellow humans of their rights? I have no easy answers (wish I did).
     
    Its been "tried" apparently. Requires leaders who care less for re-election than determinedly achieving a solution. Netanyahu? Don't know. PA leadership? Well.....Israel certainly would not do well to expel them, in camera, or, in the cover of the dark. Experience of historic abuse requires Jews to not perpetrate the very same, doesn't it? That's easy. What I am less certain of is how we extend full citizenship to Pals in a 1SS without unleashing a precarious demographic nightmare. Which is why I don't see an alternative to a 2SS, with Jordan assuming a significant part in the proceedings.

    Sam,

    Sorry to have missed this earlier.

    KSA’s not well liked in the Gulf or anywhere else (my experience). Talha is right. Consider Bahrain in the 70s (great place under the Khalifas). Now – linked by causeway (‘86)?. KSA meddles daily Bahrain’s affairs. Not for the better, I fear.

    Hamad (schooled in the US) is king. His father was never more than a shaikh (used to appear every Friday if you wanted to talk to him – wonderful figure). What a difference the Sauds and US Fifth Fleet make! What do Bahrainis think? You’d have ask them. Not sure it’s complementary.

    Bin Laben was not stupid. There may be great subsurface dissatisfaction on/in KSA. Attacking Yemen? What’s that all about? A project for an otherwise idle military equipped with the best? Well, except whatever we send Israel.

    Likud allying with the Sauds? Roll the dice and good luck! Don’t expect to be liked by Muslims in the Gulf or Levant (or normal Saudis). Only my opinion.

    “Requires leaders who care less for reelection than determinedly achieving a solution. Netanyahu? Don’t know. PA leadership?”

    Rabin was an exception. Amazing guy. What did it get him? Well, we all know. Death came from a fellow Jew. Go figure (“Killing the King” is a good read). The situation, as you appreciate better than I, is not simple. Amazing there is so much more diversity of opinion within Israel than shows up in the US. AIPAC screening?

    Netanyahu? Siting on a volcano? KSA as allies? Will it really help?

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  199. bjondo says:

    Keep forgetting Giraldi.

    Your last two articles have been excellent no punches held back.

    Thank you

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  200. Seraphim says:
    @Incitatus
    What a wonderful explanation, Seraphim. Such deep scholarship. Well done! You’ve obviously done a lot of research on the subject. Lab sessions and massive amounts of homework? Let me guess - you’re a not a proctologist by any chance?

    I was going to encourage you avail yourself of Anon’s experience (he seems particularly well versed - practice makes perfect, as they say) but WAIT, this just in:

    "Luther's lavatory thrills experts"
    "Archaeologists in Germany say they may have found a lavatory where Martin Luther launched the Reformation of the Christian church in the 16th Century.
    The stone room is in a newly-unearthed annex to Luther's house in Wittenberg.
    Luther is quoted as saying he was "in cloaca", or in the sewer, when he was inspired to argue that salvation is granted because of faith, not deeds.
    The scholar suffered from constipation and spent many hours in contemplation on the toilet seat.”


    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3944549.stm

    Who could have known?

    Seraphim, you’re the expert. Think Martin’s ‘contemplation’ was only due to bowel blockage? Or does it mean way, way back he’s (whisper) part Jewish? No, no I’m sure that’s out of the question! Nicht in frage! Why, that’s as ridiculous as claiming Jesus was a Jew!

    Nonetheless, the discovery is a great relief to all of us. Sure, mysteries remain. Let Dr. Martin Treu tell it: “We still don't know what was used for wiping in those days.”

    Seraphim, they need your help. Don’t keep them in suspense. We’re all rooting for you!

    I am really thrilled by your words of appreciation! Of course, one must do a lot of research before talking about any subject.
    To be true, I had written about the mystery of Luther’s wiping in response to Anon’s post. I was raising the question whether he wrote his theses on the paper he wiped himself with before or after his relieving revelation. But for mysterious reasons my post did not get through.
    Of course it is worth continuing digging, you may find diamonds (like that lady survivor, the ‘Diamond Girl’ made famous by Spielberg’s fictitious documentary “The Last Days” – btw, YouTube deleted the video of her ‘testimony’)!

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  201. Sam Shama says:
    @Incitatus
    Lieber Mozart! Keine besser! Gott segne ihn.
    Gut getan, Sam! Vielen Dank!

    Ich versuche. Vielen Dank an dich, Incitatus.

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  202. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    Well, what’s good for Judah ought to be good for Diogenes too. Yes?
     
    If it were not for the brutal occupation of over 4 million human beings, Yes.

    In the inimitable words of Slick Willie: "it's the occupation, stupid."

    You remember the occupation, don't you, Sam? Why, it once prompted in to utter these solemn words:


    I do not support any longer what passes for Zionism, nor am I willing to pine for what it used to be. It is an immoral cause.
     
    Ilan Pappe couldn't have said it any better, himself.

    Why do you go on with this tedious nonsense?

    He doesn’t support the mistreatment of the Palestinians in Israel or Gaza; it is very clear that it troubles him.

    What do you want? Do you want him to renounce the existence of Israel?

    Not likely to happen.

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    Why do you go on with this tedious nonsense?
     
    Tedious nonsense? As in tediously labeling people 88s?

    it is very clear that it troubles him.
     
    No, it's clear it troubles people like Ilan Pappe or Gilad Atzmon.

    What do you want? Do you want him to renounce the existence of Israel?

    Not likely to happen.
     

    No, I want him to truthfully answer questions that are put to him, like the one's you recently put to him (still no response), not like his response to whether the invasion of Iraq was to protect the US, and not Israel.

    But, as you say, not likely to happen.

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  203. Seraphim says:
    @Anon
    Keith says:

    "There are cases when shitting on sacred objects or smearing shit on them is
    accompanied with masturbation."

    At first I thought the Hasbara crowd again diverted us from the subject of " AIPAC is in town"


    After reviewing my postings, I realized I triggered this bullshit about shit unwittingly, when I
    talked about the Jewess, Irene Zisblat who told her story about eating diamonds and strategically
    swallowing and defecating them to hide them from the evil Germans while incarcerated at the Auschwitz concentration camp.

    At the time, I didn't think anyone actually believe this fastastic story. This is why I added it to bring attention to the Holohoax stories in the " Last Days of a big lie".

    How would I know I would trigger all of the UNZ 's Zionists to mentally revert to their anal stage and start masturbating.

    I apologize to all of the other non Jews, who had to listen to the Zionist's orgy of excreatment.

    At least we know their bullshit is coming out from them were nature intended, instead of their usually place... their mouths.


    Now... can we please get back to " The Jewish Trojan horse is in town".

    In many languages ‘eating shit’ means ‘to lie’. This perfectly illustrates what the “Diamond Girl” story is about (as the whole ‘The Last Days’ hoax).
    But that is not fake:

    “Man Smears Excrement on Church Door, Masturbates on Steps in Sacrilegious Act”, by Leonardo Blair , Christian Post Reporter, Jan 1, 2014 :

    “A 19-year-old who allegedly violated a Bay City, Mich., church by repeatedly smearing feces on the church’s door and masturbating on the steps of the building says he was forced to take his lewd behavior to church because there wasn’t sufficient privacy in the apartment he shared with his mother and father.
    The Bay County Sheriff’s Office identified the youth as Joshua A. Gorski from video evidence and an admission, according to a MLive report.
    The report explains that the sheriff’s office first received a complaint in the summer of 2013 that someone was smearing feces on a door at New Hope Baptist Church, located along Midland Road in Bangor Township at night.
    A few months later, on Nov. 22, a property manager from the church turned over a feces-stained sock and a DVD with footage from a surveillance camera that was shot around 6 p.m. on Tuesday, Nov. 19.
    The footage shows a man riding up to the south door of the church on a bicycle who appears to squat near the door and defecate. The man is then shown covering his hand with a sock which he uses to pick up the excrement and plasters it all over the church’s door and its handle.
    After doing that, the man is seen throwing away the sock and retrieving a magazine from his bicycle. He then sits on the steps at the door and appears to masturbate before taking off on the bicycle.
    After an investigation was conducted based on the evidence submitted, police say, Gorski confessed he was the culprit behind the sacrilege and apologized. He also confessed he had perpetrated the act four to five times in 2013.
    “He stated that he lives in an apartment with his mother and father and does not have enough privacy to do the things he wants,” a deputy noted in court records.
    A warrant for Gorski’s arrest was issued on Friday, Dec. 20. He was arraigned before Bay County District Judge Mark E. Janer on Monday, Dec. 23, arraigned on single counts of aggravated indecent exposure, a two-year high-court misdemeanor, and malicious destruction of a building less than $200, according to the report.
    He is expected to appear for a preliminary examination before Janer at 2 p.m. on Monday, Jan. 6. As of Monday, Dec. 30, 2013, he was in custody at the Bay County Jail.

    Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/news/man-smears-excrement-on-church-door-masturbates-on-steps-in-sacrilegious-act-111870/#5Yv2RhmFispdi6Lm.99

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  204. Sam Shama says:
    @jacques sheete

    take it from Amadeus, writing to his female cousin Maria Anna:
     
    Forgery. Blatant lie. Some say that was written as a post scriptum by Mozart's mother in a letter his father, Leo. In any case if it were true, it was meant as humor.

    However,

    Wenns arschle brummt ist Herzl gesund!

    Some here must have a heart as healthy as their imaginations!

    Well, possibly. All these intrigues – charges of forgery, musical plagiarism were rife those days. Adds to the romanticist’s pleasure no doubt.

    Still, lieber Amadeus (who doesn’t like him?) did occupy himself with the Arsch quite a bit:

    Leck mir den Arsch fein recht schön sauber.….Tom Hulce speaking those words in *Amadeus* with that impish laugh sticks in my memory!

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  205. Sam Shama says:
    @Incitatus
    Sam,

    Sorry to have missed this earlier.

    KSA’s not well liked in the Gulf or anywhere else (my experience). Talha is right. Consider Bahrain in the 70s (great place under the Khalifas). Now - linked by causeway (‘86)?. KSA meddles daily Bahrain’s affairs. Not for the better, I fear.

    Hamad (schooled in the US) is king. His father was never more than a shaikh (used to appear every Friday if you wanted to talk to him - wonderful figure). What a difference the Sauds and US Fifth Fleet make! What do Bahrainis think? You’d have ask them. Not sure it’s complementary.

    Bin Laben was not stupid. There may be great subsurface dissatisfaction on/in KSA. Attacking Yemen? What’s that all about? A project for an otherwise idle military equipped with the best? Well, except whatever we send Israel.

    Likud allying with the Sauds? Roll the dice and good luck! Don’t expect to be liked by Muslims in the Gulf or Levant (or normal Saudis). Only my opinion.

    “Requires leaders who care less for reelection than determinedly achieving a solution. Netanyahu? Don’t know. PA leadership?”

    Rabin was an exception. Amazing guy. What did it get him? Well, we all know. Death came from a fellow Jew. Go figure (“Killing the King” is a good read). The situation, as you appreciate better than I, is not simple. Amazing there is so much more diversity of opinion within Israel than shows up in the US. AIPAC screening?

    Netanyahu? Siting on a volcano? KSA as allies? Will it really help?

    I am sure Iffen meant to press the ‘Agree’ button

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  206. Sam Shama says:
    @jacques sheete

    btw love that black Friesian steed!
     
    Yup, them's some beautiful animals. I'm partial to Belgians, however.

    Anyway does it torque you as much as it does me to see such beautiful animals being used in the service of real anti-Semites?

    I say, JS, a fellow horseman?!! And Robin too by the sound of it.

    To answer your question, no; I don’t particularly like horses lathered up to charge crowds, for they do it compelled by the fear instinct controlled by the rider.

    I prefer and know exactly when they gallop out of sheer love of speed.

    Robin, I am not as partial to the warmbloods as I am to Arabians and Thoroughbreds, although Belgians make superb jumpers and Friesians are gorgeous. Thanks for sharing the video.

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  207. geokat62 says:
    @iffen
    Why do you go on with this tedious nonsense?

    He doesn't support the mistreatment of the Palestinians in Israel or Gaza; it is very clear that it troubles him.

    What do you want? Do you want him to renounce the existence of Israel?

    Not likely to happen.

    Why do you go on with this tedious nonsense?

    Tedious nonsense? As in tediously labeling people 88s?

    it is very clear that it troubles him.

    No, it’s clear it troubles people like Ilan Pappe or Gilad Atzmon.

    What do you want? Do you want him to renounce the existence of Israel?

    Not likely to happen.

    No, I want him to truthfully answer questions that are put to him, like the one’s you recently put to him (still no response), not like his response to whether the invasion of Iraq was to protect the US, and not Israel.

    But, as you say, not likely to happen.

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    Hey George,

    "Saddam's dictatorship state was replaced with complete indifference to the idea of a state." From "In the Belly of the Green Bird; The Triumph of Martyrs in Iraq, " by Nir Rosen.

    I highly recommend Rosen's book for you.

    Indeed, Israel was a direct beneficiary for what evil the W. Bush administration deliberately did; Shock & Awe, occupation, the New Iraq's descent into horrific civil war... and today's chaotic cutting up of the nation.

    Some Americans came to understand how deeply they were hated when an Iraqi journalist symbolically tossed his shoe at "Dubya" during a press conference.

    In order to evoke a credible response to your reasoned comment, Sam The Sham needs a Land Pirate boot tossed at him. More to the point, Shammy has earned Sahel. So "disgusting."
    , @iffen
    Tedious nonsense? As in tediously labeling people 88s?

    I am very interested in politics. It is very important to me to understand who is an 88 and who is not. It is very important to me to be able to know whether certain actions and certain political positions are motivated by anti-Semitism or not. It is very important to me to know exactly what constitutes being an “88” and what doesn’t.

    For example, take the past and current campaign to depict Trump as anti-Semitic. I know for myself, without having to consult anyone else, that the people pushing that premise are either ignorant or deceitfully partisan or some combination of the two.

    You spend a lot of time writing about truth and truth-telling, lying, deception and being disingenuous. I don’t put a lot of stock into the idea of projection, actually hardly any at all. That said, I wonder why it comes up so often in your comments. How do I know that you are being honest and not deceptive in your exchanges with me?

    , @Sam Shama
    I've answered Iffen's questions. Which one remains outstanding? [let Iffen tell me]

    As to your most recent one, I don't erupt into hosannas when queries, little more than repeatedly angled holier-than-thou's, are sent my way.

    Iffen is quite right. Not about to renounce Israel. It sits rather costless for you to decry whatever it is you choose to decry since it happened in the relatively distant past. Notwithstanding, you are enjoying the fruits of those atrocities, and how many times per day do you dwell on it? Question others? Why is it qualitatively different? Numbers killed? Current conditions of living, including health, addictions of the remaining? Answer those questions with the "honesty" you insist from others at every turn.

    I think Pals had a raw deal, many departed. Many more stayed. I have spoken about the need to assist them financially. I am not about to thump my chest here announcing what I do. That is a matter between my Maker and myself. I have a real bone to pick with those who've never set foot in the area but presume to know everything there is to know from consuming stories littered on the internet. There is a process underway which collects many of these fake videos [please don't attach another one here and presume to play gotcha] and in future, expose them in a systematised manner.

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  208. @geokat62

    Why do you go on with this tedious nonsense?
     
    Tedious nonsense? As in tediously labeling people 88s?

    it is very clear that it troubles him.
     
    No, it's clear it troubles people like Ilan Pappe or Gilad Atzmon.

    What do you want? Do you want him to renounce the existence of Israel?

    Not likely to happen.
     

    No, I want him to truthfully answer questions that are put to him, like the one's you recently put to him (still no response), not like his response to whether the invasion of Iraq was to protect the US, and not Israel.

    But, as you say, not likely to happen.

    Hey George,

    “Saddam’s dictatorship state was replaced with complete indifference to the idea of a state.” From “In the Belly of the Green Bird; The Triumph of Martyrs in Iraq, ” by Nir Rosen.

    I highly recommend Rosen’s book for you.

    Indeed, Israel was a direct beneficiary for what evil the W. Bush administration deliberately did; Shock & Awe, occupation, the New Iraq’s descent into horrific civil war… and today’s chaotic cutting up of the nation.

    Some Americans came to understand how deeply they were hated when an Iraqi journalist symbolically tossed his shoe at “Dubya” during a press conference.

    In order to evoke a credible response to your reasoned comment, Sam The Sham needs a Land Pirate boot tossed at him. More to the point, Shammy has earned Sahel. So “disgusting.”

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  209. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    Why do you go on with this tedious nonsense?
     
    Tedious nonsense? As in tediously labeling people 88s?

    it is very clear that it troubles him.
     
    No, it's clear it troubles people like Ilan Pappe or Gilad Atzmon.

    What do you want? Do you want him to renounce the existence of Israel?

    Not likely to happen.
     

    No, I want him to truthfully answer questions that are put to him, like the one's you recently put to him (still no response), not like his response to whether the invasion of Iraq was to protect the US, and not Israel.

    But, as you say, not likely to happen.

    Tedious nonsense? As in tediously labeling people 88s?

    I am very interested in politics. It is very important to me to understand who is an 88 and who is not. It is very important to me to be able to know whether certain actions and certain political positions are motivated by anti-Semitism or not. It is very important to me to know exactly what constitutes being an “88” and what doesn’t.

    For example, take the past and current campaign to depict Trump as anti-Semitic. I know for myself, without having to consult anyone else, that the people pushing that premise are either ignorant or deceitfully partisan or some combination of the two.

    You spend a lot of time writing about truth and truth-telling, lying, deception and being disingenuous. I don’t put a lot of stock into the idea of projection, actually hardly any at all. That said, I wonder why it comes up so often in your comments. How do I know that you are being honest and not deceptive in your exchanges with me?

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    How anti-Semitic can be the first "Jewish American President"?

    Ask Wayne Allyn Root "capitalist evangelist, serial entrepreneur, conservative national media commentator, and proud champion of the middle class. He is a former Libertarian vice presidential nominee, now back to the GOP. Wayne's latest book is "Angry White Male" (Skyhorse Publishing). He is a supporter of Donald Trump's presidential campaign. For more, visit his website: www.ROOTforAmerica.com. Follow him on Twitter@WayneRoot".

    His knowledgeable answer is:

    "Trump is headed to the White House. Did we just elect our first Jewish president?"
    Just as Bill Clinton wasn’t black, but he was called “America’s first black president…
    I believe Donald Trump should be called “America’s first Jewish president.”
    I should know. I’m an Ivy League-educated Jewish kid from New York.
    Trust me, Donald Trump is as close as you can come to being our first Jewish president.
    The very unique traits that have made him a billionaire and now President of the United States are as Jewish as you can get!
    Let me prove to you that Donald is our first Jewish president…
    Donald is a lifelong New York businessman, who made his fortune in real estate. You can’t get more Jewish than that.
    Well actually you can. His winter home Mar-a-Lago is on the East Coast of South Florida.
    When he bought his Florida home and turned it into a popular and exclusive country club, he specifically opened the membership up to Jews. Mar-a-Lago was the first club that ever allowed Jews in Palm Beach. Donald changed the customs of the most-wealthy, WASP-y town in America to favor Jews.
    Donald is family-oriented and clearly loves and dotes on all his children. He is bursting with pride at his children’s success. That could be the most Jewish trait of all. To Jews, family and children are everything.
    Donald is your typical Jewish parent. Donald’s children are all Ivy League graduates- just like my daughter who recently graduated magna cum laude from Harvard.
    Donald’s daughter Ivanka has converted to orthodox Judaism. That makes Donald the first president in the history of America with orthodox Jewish grandkids.
    Donald is handing his business over to his children. That is the goal of every Jewish businessman in history.
    Donald is the most hardworking businessman I’ve ever met. That is a trait handed down to me by my Yiddish grandfather. I believe it is the main reason for the success of the Jewish people. I’ve been a workaholic, just like Donald, my entire life.
    Donald has never worked for others. He owns all of his own businesses. My Jewish butcher father David Root taught me that 2 things mattered above all else in life- being a good father and always owning your own business.
    Donald has more chutzpah than anyone I’ve ever met in my life. Chutzpah is a unique word that comes from the Yiddish language. It means you are so ambitious, you aim so high that people think you’re nuts. Donald aims higher than anyone who has ever lived. Now he’s President of the United States!
    Donald is the most relentless person I’ve ever met. Relentless is a very uniquely Jewish trait. Jews are relentless fighters- we have survived thousands of years of hate, discrimination, persecution, robbery, slavery and murder. We haven’t just survived…we have thrived! I wrote the book, “The Power of RELENTLESS.” Of course it was endorsed by Mr. Relentless himself, Donald Trump.
    Donald is a big success in Hollywood as a TV producer. He joins an exclusive club that is predominantly Jewish. I should know. I have created, Executive Produced and hosted hit TV shows my entire adult life.
    Donald is a bigger-than-life personality. He has dynamic communication skills. He’s very charismatic, opinionated, ambitious, aggressive, combative, committed and passionate about his ideas and beliefs. He says whatever is on his mind, even if it offends. All of those are traits I’ve seen in my Jewish friends, relatives and business partners for my entire life.
    Many of Donald’s political views and policies are tailor-made for Jews. He could be the most pro-Israel president in history. Donald will always stand with the Jews of Israel.
    How strong are Donald’s bonds to Israel? He was the Grand Marshal of the annual “Salute to Israel” parade.
    The Jewish National Fund awarded Donald the “Tree of Life” award for his lifetime of support for the Jewish people and the state of Israel.
    Jewish Week found that Donald has given generously for many years to Jewish charities. A professor of “American Jewish History” calls Trump’s charitable giving to Jewish causes “impressive” and clearly out of the ordinary for a non-Jew.
    His stance on “extreme vetting” and stopping the mass importation of Muslim refugees should be welcomed and enthusiastically embraced by every American Jew. Donald’s goal is the same as mine- keeping people out of our country who could commit acts of terrorism and who have an unnatural hatred and prejudice toward Jews.
    One of Donald’s first priorities as president is to re-negotiate the Iran deal- perhaps the worst treaty ever negotiated in U.S. history and a danger to Israel’s future survival.
    Donald is the strongest anti-terrorism president possible. He understands our enemy is radical Islam. He uses the words “Islamic extremist” in the same sentence. That alone makes Donald the best friend Jews ever had.
    Amazingly, who was one of the very first world leaders to talk to Donald after his victory? Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel. Coincidence?
    Speaking of best friends, many of Donald’s friends, business partners, executives at the Trump organization, country club members at Mar-a-Lago and trusted lawyers and advisers are Jewish. No U.S. president has ever in history been surrounded by so many Jewish friends and advisers.
    Trust me, by almost every possible measurement, we've just elected our first Jewish president".
    @http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/11/20/trump-is-headed-to-white-house-did-just-elect-our-first-jewish-president.html
    Mazel tov!
    , @OilcanFloyd
    So your whole world-view revolves around whether or not a person or group is anti-Semitic? That's ridiculous. Groups have conflict, and quite a bit of what you would likely call anti-Semitism is deserved. Can you really look at the behavior of the Jews in the videos posted in this thread, which depict two common strains of Jewish political behavior, and say that Jews should be unconditionally loved and unopposed? As a group, it is obvious that Jews do far more harm than good for America and Americans.

    Iffen, I hope you live in Israel, because that is where you, and apparently the majority of diaspora Jews, belong.
    , @geokat62

    How do I know that you are being honest and not deceptive in your exchanges with me?
     
    Two in a row. One more comment like that and you'll make it a hat trick.
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  210. Seraphim says:
    @iffen
    Tedious nonsense? As in tediously labeling people 88s?

    I am very interested in politics. It is very important to me to understand who is an 88 and who is not. It is very important to me to be able to know whether certain actions and certain political positions are motivated by anti-Semitism or not. It is very important to me to know exactly what constitutes being an “88” and what doesn’t.

    For example, take the past and current campaign to depict Trump as anti-Semitic. I know for myself, without having to consult anyone else, that the people pushing that premise are either ignorant or deceitfully partisan or some combination of the two.

    You spend a lot of time writing about truth and truth-telling, lying, deception and being disingenuous. I don’t put a lot of stock into the idea of projection, actually hardly any at all. That said, I wonder why it comes up so often in your comments. How do I know that you are being honest and not deceptive in your exchanges with me?

    How anti-Semitic can be the first “Jewish American President”?

    Ask Wayne Allyn Root “capitalist evangelist, serial entrepreneur, conservative national media commentator, and proud champion of the middle class. He is a former Libertarian vice presidential nominee, now back to the GOP. Wayne’s latest book is “Angry White Male” (Skyhorse Publishing). He is a supporter of Donald Trump’s presidential campaign. For more, visit his website: http://www.ROOTforAmerica.com. Follow him on Twitter@WayneRoot”.

    His knowledgeable answer is:

    [MORE]

    “Trump is headed to the White House. Did we just elect our first Jewish president?”
    Just as Bill Clinton wasn’t black, but he was called “America’s first black president…
    I believe Donald Trump should be called “America’s first Jewish president.”
    I should know. I’m an Ivy League-educated Jewish kid from New York.
    Trust me, Donald Trump is as close as you can come to being our first Jewish president.
    The very unique traits that have made him a billionaire and now President of the United States are as Jewish as you can get!
    Let me prove to you that Donald is our first Jewish president…
    Donald is a lifelong New York businessman, who made his fortune in real estate. You can’t get more Jewish than that.
    Well actually you can. His winter home Mar-a-Lago is on the East Coast of South Florida.
    When he bought his Florida home and turned it into a popular and exclusive country club, he specifically opened the membership up to Jews. Mar-a-Lago was the first club that ever allowed Jews in Palm Beach. Donald changed the customs of the most-wealthy, WASP-y town in America to favor Jews.
    Donald is family-oriented and clearly loves and dotes on all his children. He is bursting with pride at his children’s success. That could be the most Jewish trait of all. To Jews, family and children are everything.
    Donald is your typical Jewish parent. Donald’s children are all Ivy League graduates- just like my daughter who recently graduated magna cum laude from Harvard.
    Donald’s daughter Ivanka has converted to orthodox Judaism. That makes Donald the first president in the history of America with orthodox Jewish grandkids.
    Donald is handing his business over to his children. That is the goal of every Jewish businessman in history.
    Donald is the most hardworking businessman I’ve ever met. That is a trait handed down to me by my Yiddish grandfather. I believe it is the main reason for the success of the Jewish people. I’ve been a workaholic, just like Donald, my entire life.
    Donald has never worked for others. He owns all of his own businesses. My Jewish butcher father David Root taught me that 2 things mattered above all else in life- being a good father and always owning your own business.
    Donald has more chutzpah than anyone I’ve ever met in my life. Chutzpah is a unique word that comes from the Yiddish language. It means you are so ambitious, you aim so high that people think you’re nuts. Donald aims higher than anyone who has ever lived. Now he’s President of the United States!
    Donald is the most relentless person I’ve ever met. Relentless is a very uniquely Jewish trait. Jews are relentless fighters- we have survived thousands of years of hate, discrimination, persecution, robbery, slavery and murder. We haven’t just survived…we have thrived! I wrote the book, “The Power of RELENTLESS.” Of course it was endorsed by Mr. Relentless himself, Donald Trump.
    Donald is a big success in Hollywood as a TV producer. He joins an exclusive club that is predominantly Jewish. I should know. I have created, Executive Produced and hosted hit TV shows my entire adult life.
    Donald is a bigger-than-life personality. He has dynamic communication skills. He’s very charismatic, opinionated, ambitious, aggressive, combative, committed and passionate about his ideas and beliefs. He says whatever is on his mind, even if it offends. All of those are traits I’ve seen in my Jewish friends, relatives and business partners for my entire life.
    Many of Donald’s political views and policies are tailor-made for Jews. He could be the most pro-Israel president in history. Donald will always stand with the Jews of Israel.
    How strong are Donald’s bonds to Israel? He was the Grand Marshal of the annual “Salute to Israel” parade.
    The Jewish National Fund awarded Donald the “Tree of Life” award for his lifetime of support for the Jewish people and the state of Israel.
    Jewish Week found that Donald has given generously for many years to Jewish charities. A professor of “American Jewish History” calls Trump’s charitable giving to Jewish causes “impressive” and clearly out of the ordinary for a non-Jew.
    His stance on “extreme vetting” and stopping the mass importation of Muslim refugees should be welcomed and enthusiastically embraced by every American Jew. Donald’s goal is the same as mine- keeping people out of our country who could commit acts of terrorism and who have an unnatural hatred and prejudice toward Jews.
    One of Donald’s first priorities as president is to re-negotiate the Iran deal- perhaps the worst treaty ever negotiated in U.S. history and a danger to Israel’s future survival.
    Donald is the strongest anti-terrorism president possible. He understands our enemy is radical Islam. He uses the words “Islamic extremist” in the same sentence. That alone makes Donald the best friend Jews ever had.
    Amazingly, who was one of the very first world leaders to talk to Donald after his victory? Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel. Coincidence?
    Speaking of best friends, many of Donald’s friends, business partners, executives at the Trump organization, country club members at Mar-a-Lago and trusted lawyers and advisers are Jewish. No U.S. president has ever in history been surrounded by so many Jewish friends and advisers.
    Trust me, by almost every possible measurement, we’ve just elected our first Jewish president”.
    @http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/11/20/trump-is-headed-to-white-house-did-just-elect-our-first-jewish-president.html
    Mazel tov!

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    For more, visit his website:

    Thanks, but no thanks, this was enough for me.
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  211. I’ve followed this issue for years, and have watched people go tooth-and-nail over the holocaust, Weimar Germany, Bolshevik crimes, Palsetinian suffering, AIPAC, Israel, Balfour etc. looking for answers, when I think all are just sideshows leading away from a solution to America’s Jewish problem, which is very real.

    Palestine/Israel, the Holocaust, Bolshevik crimes, etc. are not America’s problems, and most Americans will never study those issues or relate to them enough to demand or force a change. Among it’s many problems, America does have a Jewish problem, which is obvious whether it is the powerful, and traitorous, Jews who push Israel’s interests at the expense of American interests, or the Jewish SJW radicals who are prominent and active in just about anything that is aimed at destroying America or causing conflict among Americans. Any conflict between the two groups of Jews is a conflict over what each group perceives as best for Jews. Neither group cares about Americans or Palestinians, and will use both American and Palestinian dupes for propaganda points. Discussing anything other than their actions and the harm they cause is a waste of time that they will welcome and indulge.

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  212. iffen says:
    @Seraphim
    How anti-Semitic can be the first "Jewish American President"?

    Ask Wayne Allyn Root "capitalist evangelist, serial entrepreneur, conservative national media commentator, and proud champion of the middle class. He is a former Libertarian vice presidential nominee, now back to the GOP. Wayne's latest book is "Angry White Male" (Skyhorse Publishing). He is a supporter of Donald Trump's presidential campaign. For more, visit his website: www.ROOTforAmerica.com. Follow him on Twitter@WayneRoot".

    His knowledgeable answer is:

    "Trump is headed to the White House. Did we just elect our first Jewish president?"
    Just as Bill Clinton wasn’t black, but he was called “America’s first black president…
    I believe Donald Trump should be called “America’s first Jewish president.”
    I should know. I’m an Ivy League-educated Jewish kid from New York.
    Trust me, Donald Trump is as close as you can come to being our first Jewish president.
    The very unique traits that have made him a billionaire and now President of the United States are as Jewish as you can get!
    Let me prove to you that Donald is our first Jewish president…
    Donald is a lifelong New York businessman, who made his fortune in real estate. You can’t get more Jewish than that.
    Well actually you can. His winter home Mar-a-Lago is on the East Coast of South Florida.
    When he bought his Florida home and turned it into a popular and exclusive country club, he specifically opened the membership up to Jews. Mar-a-Lago was the first club that ever allowed Jews in Palm Beach. Donald changed the customs of the most-wealthy, WASP-y town in America to favor Jews.
    Donald is family-oriented and clearly loves and dotes on all his children. He is bursting with pride at his children’s success. That could be the most Jewish trait of all. To Jews, family and children are everything.
    Donald is your typical Jewish parent. Donald’s children are all Ivy League graduates- just like my daughter who recently graduated magna cum laude from Harvard.
    Donald’s daughter Ivanka has converted to orthodox Judaism. That makes Donald the first president in the history of America with orthodox Jewish grandkids.
    Donald is handing his business over to his children. That is the goal of every Jewish businessman in history.
    Donald is the most hardworking businessman I’ve ever met. That is a trait handed down to me by my Yiddish grandfather. I believe it is the main reason for the success of the Jewish people. I’ve been a workaholic, just like Donald, my entire life.
    Donald has never worked for others. He owns all of his own businesses. My Jewish butcher father David Root taught me that 2 things mattered above all else in life- being a good father and always owning your own business.
    Donald has more chutzpah than anyone I’ve ever met in my life. Chutzpah is a unique word that comes from the Yiddish language. It means you are so ambitious, you aim so high that people think you’re nuts. Donald aims higher than anyone who has ever lived. Now he’s President of the United States!
    Donald is the most relentless person I’ve ever met. Relentless is a very uniquely Jewish trait. Jews are relentless fighters- we have survived thousands of years of hate, discrimination, persecution, robbery, slavery and murder. We haven’t just survived…we have thrived! I wrote the book, “The Power of RELENTLESS.” Of course it was endorsed by Mr. Relentless himself, Donald Trump.
    Donald is a big success in Hollywood as a TV producer. He joins an exclusive club that is predominantly Jewish. I should know. I have created, Executive Produced and hosted hit TV shows my entire adult life.
    Donald is a bigger-than-life personality. He has dynamic communication skills. He’s very charismatic, opinionated, ambitious, aggressive, combative, committed and passionate about his ideas and beliefs. He says whatever is on his mind, even if it offends. All of those are traits I’ve seen in my Jewish friends, relatives and business partners for my entire life.
    Many of Donald’s political views and policies are tailor-made for Jews. He could be the most pro-Israel president in history. Donald will always stand with the Jews of Israel.
    How strong are Donald’s bonds to Israel? He was the Grand Marshal of the annual “Salute to Israel” parade.
    The Jewish National Fund awarded Donald the “Tree of Life” award for his lifetime of support for the Jewish people and the state of Israel.
    Jewish Week found that Donald has given generously for many years to Jewish charities. A professor of “American Jewish History” calls Trump’s charitable giving to Jewish causes “impressive” and clearly out of the ordinary for a non-Jew.
    His stance on “extreme vetting” and stopping the mass importation of Muslim refugees should be welcomed and enthusiastically embraced by every American Jew. Donald’s goal is the same as mine- keeping people out of our country who could commit acts of terrorism and who have an unnatural hatred and prejudice toward Jews.
    One of Donald’s first priorities as president is to re-negotiate the Iran deal- perhaps the worst treaty ever negotiated in U.S. history and a danger to Israel’s future survival.
    Donald is the strongest anti-terrorism president possible. He understands our enemy is radical Islam. He uses the words “Islamic extremist” in the same sentence. That alone makes Donald the best friend Jews ever had.
    Amazingly, who was one of the very first world leaders to talk to Donald after his victory? Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel. Coincidence?
    Speaking of best friends, many of Donald’s friends, business partners, executives at the Trump organization, country club members at Mar-a-Lago and trusted lawyers and advisers are Jewish. No U.S. president has ever in history been surrounded by so many Jewish friends and advisers.
    Trust me, by almost every possible measurement, we've just elected our first Jewish president".
    @http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/11/20/trump-is-headed-to-white-house-did-just-elect-our-first-jewish-president.html
    Mazel tov!

    For more, visit his website:

    Thanks, but no thanks, this was enough for me.

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  213. @iffen
    Tedious nonsense? As in tediously labeling people 88s?

    I am very interested in politics. It is very important to me to understand who is an 88 and who is not. It is very important to me to be able to know whether certain actions and certain political positions are motivated by anti-Semitism or not. It is very important to me to know exactly what constitutes being an “88” and what doesn’t.

    For example, take the past and current campaign to depict Trump as anti-Semitic. I know for myself, without having to consult anyone else, that the people pushing that premise are either ignorant or deceitfully partisan or some combination of the two.

    You spend a lot of time writing about truth and truth-telling, lying, deception and being disingenuous. I don’t put a lot of stock into the idea of projection, actually hardly any at all. That said, I wonder why it comes up so often in your comments. How do I know that you are being honest and not deceptive in your exchanges with me?

    So your whole world-view revolves around whether or not a person or group is anti-Semitic? That’s ridiculous. Groups have conflict, and quite a bit of what you would likely call anti-Semitism is deserved. Can you really look at the behavior of the Jews in the videos posted in this thread, which depict two common strains of Jewish political behavior, and say that Jews should be unconditionally loved and unopposed? As a group, it is obvious that Jews do far more harm than good for America and Americans.

    Iffen, I hope you live in Israel, because that is where you, and apparently the majority of diaspora Jews, belong.

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    Iffen, I hope you live in Israel,

    The Good Lord has blessed me by planting this anchor baby in the "New Israel."
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  214. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    Why do you go on with this tedious nonsense?
     
    Tedious nonsense? As in tediously labeling people 88s?

    it is very clear that it troubles him.
     
    No, it's clear it troubles people like Ilan Pappe or Gilad Atzmon.

    What do you want? Do you want him to renounce the existence of Israel?

    Not likely to happen.
     

    No, I want him to truthfully answer questions that are put to him, like the one's you recently put to him (still no response), not like his response to whether the invasion of Iraq was to protect the US, and not Israel.

    But, as you say, not likely to happen.

    I’ve answered Iffen’s questions. Which one remains outstanding? [let Iffen tell me]

    As to your most recent one, I don’t erupt into hosannas when queries, little more than repeatedly angled holier-than-thou’s, are sent my way.

    Iffen is quite right. Not about to renounce Israel. It sits rather costless for you to decry whatever it is you choose to decry since it happened in the relatively distant past. Notwithstanding, you are enjoying the fruits of those atrocities, and how many times per day do you dwell on it? Question others? Why is it qualitatively different? Numbers killed? Current conditions of living, including health, addictions of the remaining? Answer those questions with the “honesty” you insist from others at every turn.

    I think Pals had a raw deal, many departed. Many more stayed. I have spoken about the need to assist them financially. I am not about to thump my chest here announcing what I do. That is a matter between my Maker and myself. I have a real bone to pick with those who’ve never set foot in the area but presume to know everything there is to know from consuming stories littered on the internet. There is a process underway which collects many of these fake videos [please don't attach another one here and presume to play gotcha] and in future, expose them in a systematised manner.

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    Keith says:

    "There is process underway which collects many of these fake videos, and in the future exposed them in a systematize
    manner".

    Who, What .. and When?

    Who is doing the collecting? What videos will be collected? When will this arduous task be completed? Will the process be on going?


    Since you are the only person who I know has any knowledge about this undertaking, I strongly suspect you are an official of the ADL or a appointed Hasbara
    organizer/executive of the new "Truth in Videos on the Internet".

    Maybe this is being undertaken by the The UNZ Review?

    Is this process underway in foreign countries?

    Those envolved in the process must be careful. Revisionism of forbidden history is unlawful in many European countries.

    I can't wait until the undertaking gets around to the official Holocaust videos. Will they receive the same systematized scrutiny? Or will these videos be protected by laws against free speech?

    I recently watched a video that was very sad, but had a good ending. The story in the video was about a long term love affair
    that started in the Auschwitz concentration camp. A Jewish imate, Herman Rosenblat, met his lover in the camp and after the camp liberation they parted their ways. Years later he met his lover again, rekindled their romance and they tied the knot. No doubt, a beautiful love story. The story was shown on internet videos and covered on the Ophrah Winfrey show.

    The only problem with the story was it wasn't true. The story received a great deal of publicity and sympathies from unsuspecting Oprah Winfrey audiences.

    Will these type of videos be exposed as fake? Who will decide? Can we trust Sam the Sham with the decisions.

    Maybe the task should start with the videos that originate on the Zio History Channel. It would be refreshing to expose these WW 2 video as war propaganda. Let's start with Operation Barbarossa.


    Sam .... be careful for what you ask for.

    This process of exposing fake videos on the internet will take down the entire house of Zionist cards on so many levels if it is managed by HONEST individuals in a systematize manner.

    , @geokat62

    I’ve answered Iffen’s questions. Which one remains outstanding?
     
    I could be wrong, Sam, but I don't believe I've seen you respond to these questions:

    Yes, I mock geo all the time with this. He writes like we all are in agreement as to what “American national interest” is, much less how it is formed and who does the forming, like we could get a list from Wiki.

    This is far from the only undefined term tossed about in the comments...

    From annamaria, a standard stock in trade comment here at UR:

    This is so widely understood in Washington that US Senator Ernest Hollings was moved in May 2004 to acknowledge that the US invaded Iraq “to secure Israel,” and “everybody” knows it.

    Now, I want to take a run at this.

    Is there a question of dual loyalty?

    What is the exact nature and extent of the overlap of Israel’s interest with that of the US in the ME?

    Of the people encouraging the Iraq war of 2003, how many did so because they thought that aiding Israel was the over-riding concern?

    Were there people who pushed for the war who thought that it was good for Israel and who didn’t give the US a second thought?

    Did these people, if they existed, tip the balance for war?

    If there were no Jewish neo-cons, would we have launched the Iraq War?


    These are the answers that we have to get at.
     
    The only response I believe you made was:

    All valid, all extremely important questions which I shall attempt to answer after Shabbat..
     
    Now to be fair to you, you didn't specify which Shabbat.

    It sits rather costless for you to decry whatever it is you choose to decry since it happened in the relatively distant past.
     
    It may be costless for me, Sam, but it isn't for the 50 million Americans who are on food stamps or the little girl from Detroit who was burned to a crisp because the fire chief, who was given a shoestring budget to fight all the fires, had to send a fire truck without the proper equipment to put out the fire because The Lobby was keen on diverting $6,000,000,000,000.00 (and counting) to launch the phony GWOT to enhance the security of the villa in the jungle, by regime changing those countries deemed hostile to said villa.

    Current conditions of living, including health, addictions of the remaining? Answer those questions with the “honesty” you insist from others at every turn.
     
    I honestly think these issues need to be addressed in a fair manner.

    I have a real bone to pick with those who’ve never set foot in the area but presume to know everything there is to know from consuming stories littered on the internet.
     
    What about Ilan Pappe and Gilad Atzmon? Weren't they both born and bred there? These are the people who are honest enough to reveal the truth of the brutality of the occupation.

    [please don't attach another one here and presume to play gotcha]
     
    I don't have a clue of what you're talking about. I've posted fake videos?
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  215. iffen says:
    @OilcanFloyd
    So your whole world-view revolves around whether or not a person or group is anti-Semitic? That's ridiculous. Groups have conflict, and quite a bit of what you would likely call anti-Semitism is deserved. Can you really look at the behavior of the Jews in the videos posted in this thread, which depict two common strains of Jewish political behavior, and say that Jews should be unconditionally loved and unopposed? As a group, it is obvious that Jews do far more harm than good for America and Americans.

    Iffen, I hope you live in Israel, because that is where you, and apparently the majority of diaspora Jews, belong.

    Iffen, I hope you live in Israel,

    The Good Lord has blessed me by planting this anchor baby in the “New Israel.”

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    I take that to me that you are a traitor living in the U.S. That may not be a blessing in the long run.
    , @JoaoAlfaiate
    The Upper East Side?
    , @Anon
    Keith says:


    "The good lord has blessed me by planting this anchor baby in the " New Israel".

    Iffen, why are you being so disingenuous? Based on God's real estate bylaws, you are already a anchor baby. All Jews, no matter where they live in the world, are anchor babies if their mother is of Jewish blood. Not Jewish by religion. You already know this from your racist upbringing teachings. Why do you seem surprised?

    Based on the same God's bylaws, (mythology) you are entitled to ethnically cleanse the Palestians from their homeland and, with the help of American tax dollars, build a home and live in the New Israel.

    This 88 supports Jewish anchor babies. I am trying to start up a Transfer Agreement to facilitate
    Aliyah for all anchor babies in the US.

    I am running into a serious road block. The Jewish anchor babies do not want to leave America.

    Why? The majority are afraid they might be drafted into the IDF and have to fight to steal more land for lebensraum.

    They said they would rather have the dumb American goys fight and die for Israel and,
    in the mean time, retain God's Israeli passport in case of an emergency expulsion.

    Iffen .... please, don't be ungrateful, God blessed you at birth and you should take his blessing and make Aliyah as soon as possible.

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  216. @iffen
    Iffen, I hope you live in Israel,

    The Good Lord has blessed me by planting this anchor baby in the "New Israel."

    I take that to me that you are a traitor living in the U.S. That may not be a blessing in the long run.

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  217. Incitatus says:
    @Talha
    Hey Sam,

    Yeah, it's not really the Arabs inside Israel that are as much of a concern (or Circassians, etc. for that matter). It's the West Bank and Gaza that are the biggest problem something needs to be done about that and fast. I thought the West Bank settlements were bad in the late 90's when we were protesting at UCLA - now it's just crazy - it's almost a fait accompli.

    Looks like the Muslim countries are saying; pull back to 1967 border and full diplomatic relations will start.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/in-a-message-to-trump-arab-leaders-renew-calls-for-a-palestinian-state/2017/03/29/15c27fd8-10c7-11e7-aa57-2ca1b05c41b8_story.html?utm_term=.dbeba141fc4b

    I personally think this is very reasonable.

    Peace.

    Hello Talha,

    “It’s the West Bank and Gaza that are the biggest problem something needs to be done about that and fast. I thought the West Bank settlements were bad in the late 90¢s when we were protesting at UCLA – now it’s just crazy – it’s almost a fait accompli.”

    Couldn’t agree more. It just got worse:

    “Israeli guidelines point to largely unconstrained settlement expansion
    Plan outlined by Benjamin Netanyahu would allow building within boundaries of existing blocks, adjacent to them, or close to the blocs”

    The Trump Administration seems indifferent:

    “…the existence of settlements is not in itself an impediment to peace, further unrestrained settlement activity does not help advance peace,” the US official said. “The Israeli government has made clear that going forward, its intent is to adopt a policy regarding settlement activity that takes the president’s concerns into consideration. The United States welcomes this.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/30/israel-approves-west-bank-settlements-trump-administration

    Taking “the president’s concerns into consideration.” What’s that mean? Reeks of criminal complicity. I also agree about the ‘67 border but increasingly doubt it will happen. Wish it would.

    Appreciate your contrast of Salafis and Wahhabis (response #154; http://www.unz.com/ishamir/purim-gifts/#comments)

    Best.

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    InZitatus: "Taking the president's concerns into consideration. What's that mean?"

    Hey Talha and InZit,

    The U.S. Middle East foreign policy remains much the same since Israel's founding.

    "Taking" Palestinian land means just that, "taking" it. There is no confusion, there's only phantom agreements/accords about making peaceful resolution.

    To Talha (especially):

    Below, I want to make a historic point which is largely forgotten:

    In Kufah, 2004, Moqtada al-Sadr threatened armed opposition to the "occupation," and railed against U.S. administrator Paul Bremer's pronouncement that Islam would not be the main source of the new Iraqi constitution. What hubris eh, Talha?

    "We want to advise everybody, Moqtada siad, "that the Iraqi people have the ability to attack theri enemies." After the interim constitution was signed, Moqtada blew a gasket, and compared it to the British Balfour Declaration (1917) which "sold off Palestine. We are on the way to selling Iraq and Islam. It is a bad omen."

    Returning to Mr. G's topic, the U.S. government's legislative and executive branches having sold out to AIPAC and Neoconservatives is much > a "bad omen" for Americans.

    Selah.
    , @Talha
    Hey Incitatus,

    It just got worse
     
    Sigh...I honestly do not want it coming down to something I've read in the books of eschatology about. I don't think I want to live to see those days, but it simply seems to be going in one direction with lip service to peace and a two state solution. I outlined some of the things that I felt were absolutely important for Israel to do to let everyone know they consider themselves a committed part of that neighborhood and it seems you agree with much of them. I think the newest Arab plan has a lot of merit and they are putting it forward as a unified voice. Ultimately, this kind of development can be buried here in the West, but the Muslim world will know that a plan was offered for full political recognition and normalization and it was rejected if that's what happens.

    I also agree about the ‘67 border but increasingly doubt it will happen.
     
    This is where Israel needs to come back with something serious; yes, but we need to keep at least 10%, 25%, etc. - something to start off with.

    Appreciate your contrast of Salafis and Wahhabis
     
    Most welcome. The Wahhabis can technically be considered a sub-branch of the Salafi movement - one that sprang out of the Najd. Both have one major common idea - that the Muslim world has been mired in confusion and error for the last 13 or so centuries before they arrived.

    Peace.
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  218. @Incitatus
    Hello Talha,

    “It’s the West Bank and Gaza that are the biggest problem something needs to be done about that and fast. I thought the West Bank settlements were bad in the late 90¢s when we were protesting at UCLA – now it’s just crazy – it’s almost a fait accompli.”

    Couldn’t agree more. It just got worse:

    “Israeli guidelines point to largely unconstrained settlement expansion
    Plan outlined by Benjamin Netanyahu would allow building within boundaries of existing blocks, adjacent to them, or close to the blocs”


    The Trump Administration seems indifferent:

    “...the existence of settlements is not in itself an impediment to peace, further unrestrained settlement activity does not help advance peace,” the US official said. “The Israeli government has made clear that going forward, its intent is to adopt a policy regarding settlement activity that takes the president’s concerns into consideration. The United States welcomes this.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/30/israel-approves-west-bank-settlements-trump-administration

    Taking “the president’s concerns into consideration.” What’s that mean? Reeks of criminal complicity. I also agree about the ‘67 border but increasingly doubt it will happen. Wish it would.

    Appreciate your contrast of Salafis and Wahhabis (response #154; http://www.unz.com/ishamir/purim-gifts/#comments)

    Best.

    InZitatus: “Taking the president’s concerns into consideration. What’s that mean?”

    Hey Talha and InZit,

    The U.S. Middle East foreign policy remains much the same since Israel’s founding.

    “Taking” Palestinian land means just that, “taking” it. There is no confusion, there’s only phantom agreements/accords about making peaceful resolution.

    To Talha (especially):

    Below, I want to make a historic point which is largely forgotten:

    In Kufah, 2004, Moqtada al-Sadr threatened armed opposition to the “occupation,” and railed against U.S. administrator Paul Bremer’s pronouncement that Islam would not be the main source of the new Iraqi constitution. What hubris eh, Talha?

    “We want to advise everybody, Moqtada siad, “that the Iraqi people have the ability to attack theri enemies.” After the interim constitution was signed, Moqtada blew a gasket, and compared it to the British Balfour Declaration (1917) which “sold off Palestine. We are on the way to selling Iraq and Islam. It is a bad omen.”

    Returning to Mr. G’s topic, the U.S. government’s legislative and executive branches having sold out to AIPAC and Neoconservatives is much > a “bad omen” for Americans.

    Selah.

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    Hey Chuck,

    What hubris eh, Talha?
     
    Indeed. That didn't last long, look at article 2 of their consitution. They should have seen the writing on the wall when the scholars like Ayatollah Sistani and others had the most credibility among the people:
    http://www.iraqinationality.gov.iq/attach/iraqi_constitution.pdf

    On AIPAC and Neocons (Jewish and non-Jewish), couldn't agree more. These guys are lucky if the American people only sideline them out of the levers of power. Due to the immense damage they have done to our nation in terms of lives, money and prestige (not to mention the piles of corpses on the other side of the world) - in pre-modern times, they would have had their heads on stakes with crows cleaning off the scraps of flesh.

    The Day of Judgement will be a grim day.

    Peace.
    , @Incitatus
    Chuck,

    “The U.S. Middle East foreign policy remains much the same since Israel’s founding.”

    All too true, though there were minor variations. Eisenhower didn’t win friends in the Suez Crisis in ‘56. I liked Ike. Wonder if the (deliberate) attack on the USS Liberty ‘67 was because of Israel’s humiliation in ‘56 and subsequent mistrust? LBJ’s reaction was shameful. Awarding McGonagle the MOH but avoiding personal presentation?

    There’s Carter and Camp David ‘78. Jimmy is target number one of the neocons and shills like Alan Dershowitz. Sadly US funds (bribes?) for Israel and Egypt seem a corrupting precedent that’s blossomed into current obscenity. Do they simply postpone genuine settlement between the parties (rewarded for a belligerent status quo)?

    Reagan was less successful, but at least he gave Begin a hard time on ‘Operation Peace for Galilee’ (Lebanon) ‘82. Not hard enough, of course. Too many Marines died in Beirut ‘83. Interesting James Baker’s advisory role to Jeb! was a deal breaker for Sheldon Adelson last year.

    I join the sentiment the 2003 Iraq War was a colossal mistake, engendered and executed with high levels of criminality. Iraqis will neither forget or forgive in future, nor should they. We shouldn't forget either. JE Smith deftly covers it in ‘Bush’ (the family isn’t happy about the book). There are many other good sources.
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  219. Talha says:
    @Incitatus
    Hello Talha,

    “It’s the West Bank and Gaza that are the biggest problem something needs to be done about that and fast. I thought the West Bank settlements were bad in the late 90¢s when we were protesting at UCLA – now it’s just crazy – it’s almost a fait accompli.”

    Couldn’t agree more. It just got worse:

    “Israeli guidelines point to largely unconstrained settlement expansion
    Plan outlined by Benjamin Netanyahu would allow building within boundaries of existing blocks, adjacent to them, or close to the blocs”


    The Trump Administration seems indifferent:

    “...the existence of settlements is not in itself an impediment to peace, further unrestrained settlement activity does not help advance peace,” the US official said. “The Israeli government has made clear that going forward, its intent is to adopt a policy regarding settlement activity that takes the president’s concerns into consideration. The United States welcomes this.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/30/israel-approves-west-bank-settlements-trump-administration

    Taking “the president’s concerns into consideration.” What’s that mean? Reeks of criminal complicity. I also agree about the ‘67 border but increasingly doubt it will happen. Wish it would.

    Appreciate your contrast of Salafis and Wahhabis (response #154; http://www.unz.com/ishamir/purim-gifts/#comments)

    Best.

    Hey Incitatus,

    It just got worse

    Sigh…I honestly do not want it coming down to something I’ve read in the books of eschatology about. I don’t think I want to live to see those days, but it simply seems to be going in one direction with lip service to peace and a two state solution. I outlined some of the things that I felt were absolutely important for Israel to do to let everyone know they consider themselves a committed part of that neighborhood and it seems you agree with much of them. I think the newest Arab plan has a lot of merit and they are putting it forward as a unified voice. Ultimately, this kind of development can be buried here in the West, but the Muslim world will know that a plan was offered for full political recognition and normalization and it was rejected if that’s what happens.

    I also agree about the ‘67 border but increasingly doubt it will happen.

    This is where Israel needs to come back with something serious; yes, but we need to keep at least 10%, 25%, etc. – something to start off with.

    Appreciate your contrast of Salafis and Wahhabis

    Most welcome. The Wahhabis can technically be considered a sub-branch of the Salafi movement – one that sprang out of the Najd. Both have one major common idea – that the Muslim world has been mired in confusion and error for the last 13 or so centuries before they arrived.

    Peace.

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    “...it simply seems to be going in one direction with lip service to peace and a two state solution.”

    And has been for some time. What Israel says means means little if constantly contradicted by what it does on the ground. Colonization in the West Bank continues. All now with a wink from Trump. I share your skepticism. Can’t cede all hope, but it’s harder these days.

    “...this kind of development [unified Arab plan] can be buried here in the West.”

    The rule rather than exception. News, rival views and dissent often found elsewhere (even in on-line Israeli sources) seem missing here. AIPAC? Or the transition of news to editorialized entertainment competing for passive consumption? Maybe both.

    “Israel needs to come back with something serious”

    Can’t help thinking Likud has little incentive to take genuine risks for peace when they survive courtesy of parties even more extreme. They should make peace, of course. But they’ll posture, parse and postpone forever, all while quietly enacting policy that pleases the fringes. Hope I’m wrong.

    Could small steps be a beginning? Incrementally improving rights and conditions for Pals in years to come? Holding Israel to account for same? Slowly engender trust? An easier process? Wish I knew. Anything to reduce the bloodshed and squalor might be positive.

    Best.
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  220. Talha says:
    @Chuck Orloski
    InZitatus: "Taking the president's concerns into consideration. What's that mean?"

    Hey Talha and InZit,

    The U.S. Middle East foreign policy remains much the same since Israel's founding.

    "Taking" Palestinian land means just that, "taking" it. There is no confusion, there's only phantom agreements/accords about making peaceful resolution.

    To Talha (especially):

    Below, I want to make a historic point which is largely forgotten:

    In Kufah, 2004, Moqtada al-Sadr threatened armed opposition to the "occupation," and railed against U.S. administrator Paul Bremer's pronouncement that Islam would not be the main source of the new Iraqi constitution. What hubris eh, Talha?

    "We want to advise everybody, Moqtada siad, "that the Iraqi people have the ability to attack theri enemies." After the interim constitution was signed, Moqtada blew a gasket, and compared it to the British Balfour Declaration (1917) which "sold off Palestine. We are on the way to selling Iraq and Islam. It is a bad omen."

    Returning to Mr. G's topic, the U.S. government's legislative and executive branches having sold out to AIPAC and Neoconservatives is much > a "bad omen" for Americans.

    Selah.

    Hey Chuck,

    What hubris eh, Talha?

    Indeed. That didn’t last long, look at article 2 of their consitution. They should have seen the writing on the wall when the scholars like Ayatollah Sistani and others had the most credibility among the people:

    http://www.iraqinationality.gov.iq/attach/iraqi_constitution.pdf

    On AIPAC and Neocons (Jewish and non-Jewish), couldn’t agree more. These guys are lucky if the American people only sideline them out of the levers of power. Due to the immense damage they have done to our nation in terms of lives, money and prestige (not to mention the piles of corpses on the other side of the world) – in pre-modern times, they would have had their heads on stakes with crows cleaning off the scraps of flesh.

    The Day of Judgement will be a grim day.

    Peace.

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    "The Day of Judgement will be a grim day."

    Hey Talha,

    I don't want to convey things you already know, but yesterday, P.M. Netanyahu proposed a new settlement in the West Bank along with his having reached an understanding with the Trump administration. The settlement consists of approximately 40 families who were EVICTED (my purposeful emphasis) from a settlement outpost called Amona.

    Later I plan to look into the current "fortunes" of Lewis (Paul) Bremer who was in-charge of the diabolical Iraq occupation and see what treachery he's up to now.

    I understand Bremer "cut his teeth" by serving as the director of Kissinger Associates. And during his tenure as Occupation Chieftain, a heist of (at minimum) $12 billion in U.S. currency was removed from the Federal reserve and flown to Iraq in "bricks."

    (sigh)

    For a while, Congressman Ron Paul managed to rile up a minority of Americans by his honorable & patriotic desire to audit the Federal Reserve. How convenient that word about the "missing $12 billion" only managed to "trickle down" into the ZUSA-controlled "Memory Hole" and detoured voters minds! (Sigh)

    Thanks, Talha. I am anxious to learn if Sam The Sham and InZit have anything to add to our discussion.

    P.S.: Did you look at anon's (Keith) comment # 224? It's a ripper! He wants to rekindle start a Transfer Agreement that will facilitate aliyah for all U.S.-base "anchor babies." Ha-ha! I do not think iffen ("peace be upon him") has the experience & depth NEEDED to make a reply to anon (keith), and I predict he'll have to count on speedy cavalry reinforcements of the Hasbara Cowboys.
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  221. @iffen
    Iffen, I hope you live in Israel,

    The Good Lord has blessed me by planting this anchor baby in the "New Israel."

    The Upper East Side?

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    The Protestant Puritan leader Cotton Mather repeatedly referred to the Jews in his prayer for their conversion as God's "Beloved People.” The New Israel―The influence of the Hebrew Bible marks every step of the Puritan exodus to their Zion in the wilderness of the New World . The Jewish Bible formed their minds and dominated their characters; its conceptions were their conceptions.
     
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  222. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @iffen
    Iffen, I hope you live in Israel,

    The Good Lord has blessed me by planting this anchor baby in the "New Israel."

    Keith says:

    “The good lord has blessed me by planting this anchor baby in the ” New Israel”.

    Iffen, why are you being so disingenuous? Based on God’s real estate bylaws, you are already a anchor baby. All Jews, no matter where they live in the world, are anchor babies if their mother is of Jewish blood. Not Jewish by religion. You already know this from your racist upbringing teachings. Why do you seem surprised?

    Based on the same God’s bylaws, (mythology) you are entitled to ethnically cleanse the Palestians from their homeland and, with the help of American tax dollars, build a home and live in the New Israel.

    This 88 supports Jewish anchor babies. I am trying to start up a Transfer Agreement to facilitate
    Aliyah for all anchor babies in the US.

    I am running into a serious road block. The Jewish anchor babies do not want to leave America.

    Why? The majority are afraid they might be drafted into the IDF and have to fight to steal more land for lebensraum.

    They said they would rather have the dumb American goys fight and die for Israel and,
    in the mean time, retain God’s Israeli passport in case of an emergency expulsion.

    Iffen …. please, don’t be ungrateful, God blessed you at birth and you should take his blessing and make Aliyah as soon as possible.

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  223. Incitatus says:
    @Chuck Orloski
    InZitatus: "Taking the president's concerns into consideration. What's that mean?"

    Hey Talha and InZit,

    The U.S. Middle East foreign policy remains much the same since Israel's founding.

    "Taking" Palestinian land means just that, "taking" it. There is no confusion, there's only phantom agreements/accords about making peaceful resolution.

    To Talha (especially):

    Below, I want to make a historic point which is largely forgotten:

    In Kufah, 2004, Moqtada al-Sadr threatened armed opposition to the "occupation," and railed against U.S. administrator Paul Bremer's pronouncement that Islam would not be the main source of the new Iraqi constitution. What hubris eh, Talha?

    "We want to advise everybody, Moqtada siad, "that the Iraqi people have the ability to attack theri enemies." After the interim constitution was signed, Moqtada blew a gasket, and compared it to the British Balfour Declaration (1917) which "sold off Palestine. We are on the way to selling Iraq and Islam. It is a bad omen."

    Returning to Mr. G's topic, the U.S. government's legislative and executive branches having sold out to AIPAC and Neoconservatives is much > a "bad omen" for Americans.

    Selah.

    Chuck,

    “The U.S. Middle East foreign policy remains much the same since Israel’s founding.”

    All too true, though there were minor variations. Eisenhower didn’t win friends in the Suez Crisis in ‘56. I liked Ike. Wonder if the (deliberate) attack on the USS Liberty ‘67 was because of Israel’s humiliation in ‘56 and subsequent mistrust? LBJ’s reaction was shameful. Awarding McGonagle the MOH but avoiding personal presentation?

    There’s Carter and Camp David ‘78. Jimmy is target number one of the neocons and shills like Alan Dershowitz. Sadly US funds (bribes?) for Israel and Egypt seem a corrupting precedent that’s blossomed into current obscenity. Do they simply postpone genuine settlement between the parties (rewarded for a belligerent status quo)?

    Reagan was less successful, but at least he gave Begin a hard time on ‘Operation Peace for Galilee’ (Lebanon) ‘82. Not hard enough, of course. Too many Marines died in Beirut ‘83. Interesting James Baker’s advisory role to Jeb! was a deal breaker for Sheldon Adelson last year.

    I join the sentiment the 2003 Iraq War was a colossal mistake, engendered and executed with high levels of criminality. Iraqis will neither forget or forgive in future, nor should they. We shouldn’t forget either. JE Smith deftly covers it in ‘Bush’ (the family isn’t happy about the book). There are many other good sources.

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    Hey Incitatus,

    Iraqis will neither forget or forgive in future, nor should they.
     
    You'll be surprised what time can heal given sincere effort. Examples (though there are many more):
    France/Germany
    US/Britain

    The human spirit has a tremendous capacity for goodness (as well as evil) - don't give up on us yet. The Iraqis, unfortunately haven't had a chance to truly heal since Gulf War 1, then sanctions, then...the bleeding first has to stop before the healing begins.

    Peace.
    , @Chuck Orloski
    Prologue: It's still Lent and I refrain from addressing you as "InZi."

    Hey Incitatus,

    First, I am happy to be involved with opportunities to make frank comments on The Unz Review, and reading those of others is often a meaningful learning experience.

    Second, I would not participate in a Limbaugh "Dittohead" ordeal. Not even to "blow off steam" and bitch at him.

    Third, where Sam Shama stands is very easy to figure. After survival of a few comment exchanges with S.S., one can determine "who and what" he is. (sigh) Jesus Christ said something rather important about human character when he noticed a man seated beneath a fig tree and stated, "He has no guile."

    Again, with Shama, he has no guile & one can beneficially get to know who & what he is. (sigh) He takes off time for prayerful meditation and afterward he's right back to generating hasbara B.S., using King Midas-Madison Avenue language. Jesus kept trying to dialogue with "sinners who knew not what they do" until death, so who am I to stop rapping with Sam Shama?

    Regrettable how I call him foul & funny names names, but I am only human.

    Fourth, I turn to you, Imcitatus. You are a very smart, experienced and a weird dud